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Talk:Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)

2011-09-19T01:22:00Z

71.238.48.47: /* Do the Shattered Expecations Pretender shells count? */

I see we're listing these by size class, which makes sense, but in Shattered Glass they're not called Mini-Cons, they're called Micromasters. I guess it's not a big deal, but it seems kind of funny to list them here as Mini-Cons. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 18:51, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
:I didn't know they where called Micromasters I just assumed that they where called Mini-Cons as that's what they're based of. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 02:09, 12 July 2009 (EDT)

== Section order ==

I'd like to suggest that we can move the Decepticon section above the Autobot section, just like [[Shattered Glass (issue)#Featured characters|this]]. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 02:51, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:Done. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 02:55, 12 July 2009 (EDT)

== Micromasters ==

Now I don't know how to do it correctly noting that they're based off Mino-Cons, as a reference on just one character it seems a little odd and unclean, as trivia it kinda works but that's kinda too low, under the actual Micromasters headline it'S kinda pointless and repetitive given that we have that section 4 times. So how should we handle this? [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 09:36, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:The trivia note looks fine to me. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 12:20, 12 July 2009 (EDT)

== Redecos ==

Um, why shouldn't we list the potential redecos? We state right in the intro that "Quite a few additional Shattered character designs are based on existing toys/characters with new color schemes, meaning they potentially could be manufactured some day, or recreated by enterprising kitbashers," so why shouldn't we list what existing toys those potential schemes are based on, for the sake of giving readers information? The whole toyline is mostly virtual anyway, in that there's only a small handful of officially sold SG-branded toys, so anything we add beyond that is unrelated to real world brands anyway. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 11:06, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
:Well... 'cause those toys don't actually exist, would seem like a pretty good reason to me. A short note that some characters are based on certain toys and color schemes is not the same as a complete list of these non-existent things! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 11:10, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
:But it's still a toyline, even if it's a virtual one the toys in this article exist the ones you listed don't exist. The whole point of this article is to give people a resource of which SG characters have a toy that exists and not of what might happen in the future. If they want to make an SG character that doesn't have a toy, they can visit his character page. It's like listing [[Landslide (Decepticon)]] and his different colours in the Cybertron toyline article as potential toys. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 11:13, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
::I guess it just seems like... the only officially-branded toys in the brand are the BotCon toys, so anything else is completely unofficial regardless in terms of retail brands; it's only official in the fiction's canon "toyline". So I guess it seems picky to me to choose which already unofficial additions are official enough.
::It seems to me like a "These toys exist but their specific SG decoes do not" list is a perfectly good Trivia note, at the very least.
::Now, if we were dealing with a fully official toyline with only retail-branded toys listed, then I would agree with you. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 11:24, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Listing the toys one can actually buy seems plenty fine enough. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:30, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Well, you can buy the base of the redecoed toys too, you just have to repaint them yourself for the moment. ;)
::::I guess I just find it a rather silly distinction when almost the entire toyline is unofficial in terms of retail anyway, but if everyone else doesn't mind leaving useful information out, so be it I guess. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 11:51, 14 July 2009 (EDT)

:::::The repurposings ''are'' official, though, insofar as they're extant toys designated by the authors of licensed fiction as SG characters. They're official product, named by official licensees. "Potential repaints" lacks the "official product" part... and again, they're toys that ''don't exist''. There's really not much difference between saying SG Strafe is G1 Strafe with Blot's colors, and making a list of custom paint alterations to make some movie character more fiction-accurate or providing instructions on how to kitbash your own Emirate Xaaron. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 12:06, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::Sure there is. The movie characters have officially-branded retail toys separate from their fictional look, and Xaaron doesn't have any toy base at all, even fiction-designated.
::::::Whereas here, the BotCon toys so far are the only officially-branded retail SG toys. With every other entry, sure the existing toys are official product... but for ''other'' toylines. Calling them "Shattered Glass" toys is a purely fiction-based thing. So if you're already willing to include one set of toys that's only designated in the canon fiction with no official retail brand support, it just seemed a little odd to not include all of them, was my train of thought. *shrug* --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:25, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::I would like to thank Jeysie here for reminding me why I don't like to make certain widespread changes due to the threat of Slippery Slope. Seriously. This course of action will end in Yikes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:44, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::::I think the difference is as follows. If some canon story comes out and casts [[Emirate Xaaron]] as a [[Primus#Generation_1_2|gold lucky-draw Rodimus Prime]] figure, then that becomes, retroactively, a VERY expensive official Emirate Xaaron toy. If, on the other hand, a fictional story casts Emirate Xarron as a gold, say, G1 Hot Rod toy, it's a different matter. There is no official gold Hot Rod toy, so that would mean that we'd at most have a trivia note. Saying that it could potentially exist if we were to paint it seems silly, and a slippery slope to boot. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:47, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::I'd actually be fine with the list just being a Trivia note if that's the way it goes.
:::::::::But, basically, something like the movie's toyline is designated by official product, since we've determined elsewhere that the toys take precedence for organizational purposes. Therefore it doesn't matter if the fiction gives them a different color, other than a trivia note.
:::::::::Whereas, for instance, sure, Gigant Bomb exists officially... as Gigant Bomb, that is. The toy does not exist as Shattered Glass Darkwind in terms of an officially-released toyline. That toy's status as that character is based solely in the fiction.
:::::::::If we're really that worried about sticking to existing toyline, then the only toys on the list should be the BotCon toys and any future specifically-branded releases. Any additions outside of that means we're already OK with fiction-based SG toy designations.
:::::::::If people feel unreleased decoes aren't important enough to be included, so be it. I just don't see anything ''illogical'' about my train of thought, however.

:::::::::As for the "slippery slope" argument, I've noticed that people here do have a bad tendency to think that any proposed deviation from the rules automatically means that deviation must be applied across the board if allowed. Sometimes it really is just a matter of one particular situation having some specific quirkiness that needs to be worked around, with no obligation to apply the workaround elsewhere that the existing rules work just fine. There's no "widespread changes" being made here at all, just a bend for this one property that's very odd across the board to begin with. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:35, 14 July 2009 (EDT)

==Alpha Trion==
An attempt to put a footnote highlighting Alpha Trion's oddity (his original release wasn't announced as being Shattered Glass, has a bio that is far from explicit about being this character, and has a red Autobot symbol) was deleted on the grounds that Alpha Trion's own page details this information. I'm not at all convinced that that's enough. I'm fine for him to be listed as "official" here (and not "a new kind of repurposing" as his own article suggests), but there should be a footnote. (My apologies for making that original footnoote while not logged in. I didn't realize that I wasn't at the time.)--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 14:24, 11 November 2009 (EST)
:Of course that should be noted on this page! So what if his own page details this? Sometimes the same information belongs in multiple articles. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 14:51, 11 November 2009 (EST)
::Sure the ''details'' go on his page, but ''something'' needs to go on this one (even if it's just a "see individual page for details" note). [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:54, 11 November 2009 (EST)

==Seacons==
Didn't Pete or some other Fun Pub official say that the Club Seacons were the Shattered Glass colors officially, even if they havn't appeared in any fiction yet? [[Special:Contributions/207.181.17.24|207.181.17.24]] 20:37, 16 November 2009 (EST)
: They showed up in Shattered Expectations as the Club colors, but I don't recall Pete or anybody else saying anything about Shattered Glass proper. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:44, 16 November 2009 (EST)
::I found it, but it's not horribly solid. M Sipher makes comments on how if they did make a future appearance in SG they would be in club colors here: http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=55636&st=20 [[Special:Contributions/207.181.17.24|207.181.17.24]] 20:55, 16 November 2009 (EST)

==Drench==
G2 Drench as SG Drench? That's a toy for the Vitrual toy line back in 1993. I don't think EYE COLOR being different can be a good reason to claim this isn't a repurposed toy. Eye color changed from artist to artist, and heck, they could just be red because he's a evil zombie in his one illustration. [[Special:Contributions/207.181.17.24|207.181.17.24]] 20:55, 16 November 2009 (EST)
:From what I've gathered, repurposed means that the toy is its unaltered state, optics and all. If you have to say "It's almost like the original except for these changes," it's, well, not the original... --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 09:22, 17 November 2009 (EST)
::Then the change in Autobot and Decepticon symbol colors should discount every single toy in this "toyline". [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:13, 17 November 2009 (EST)
:::(Other than the toys in the box set.) [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:14, 17 November 2009 (EST)
::::Er. I fail to see how something that's a part of the TF's body like optics--same way a different body color scheme means a toy's not repurposed--equates to the change in color of the superficial, easily-swapped logo.
::::If I'm wrong about optic color being a significant enough change to discount a toy as "repurposed", then OK. But logo colors not being significant to worry about doesn't automatically mean any other aspect of the toy is the same deal. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 10:34, 17 November 2009 (EST)
:::::If optic color means anything significant, than few of the original cartoon characters are represented with toys. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:31, 17 November 2009 (EST)
::::::...good point. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:29, 17 November 2009 (EST)
:::::::Doesn't Music Label Soundwave toy have red optics, but yellow in the comics for SG Soundwave? If you discount Drench on optics color, the you must discount Soundwave. Also Camshaft has clear optics as a toy, and red in the comic... [[Special:Contributions/68.61.240.172|68.61.240.172]] 08:32, 18 November 2009 (EST)
::::::::Actually, I think the optics were white. But your point still stands. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:42, 18 November 2009 (EST)

== Glit/Ravage ==

Now that there's an official Shattered Glass Ravage, should we remove Glit's listing (and maybe make a notation of Glit originally being repurposed as SG Ravage)? - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 18:26, 3 March 2011 (EST)
: SG Ravage getting a toy of his own doesn't erase the period of time where his visual design was based on Glit. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:39, 23 May 2011 (EDT)

== Alpha Trion and Repurposing in general ==

There needs to be consistancy in repurposing and official releases. I don't understand why Alpha Trion and Beta Maxx are considered offical releases while something like Powerlinx Demolisher is considered to be repurposed into SG Demolisher. I think that unless its releaseed directly as an SG figure it is a repurpose. All of the figures specifically made for the SG universe are explicitly released as such (with bio and proper colored insignia on both toy and card) with only one exception which is Ravage (who lacks a bio to begin with but is clearly meant to be the SG charachter as his colors and insignia are based on the SG appearance and was made AFTER his debut in SG). thus Alpha Trion and Beta Maxx Definately ought to be listed as repurposes since both were released prior to SG even existing and are already part of the Botcon 2007 line anyway.--[[User:BlackStarscream|BlackStarscream]] 18:20, 23 May 2011 (EDT)

==Do the Shattered Expecations Pretender shells count?==
They are the G1 Classic Pretender shells repurposed as SG Pretender shells. They should be counted unless Shattered Expectations don't count.[[Special:Contributions/71.238.48.47|71.238.48.47]] 19:15, 18 September 2011 (EDT)
: They're not repurposed unless they're the same colors as the original toys. We can't see what colors the shells are, since they're within tubes, colored various shades of teal. Without knowing what colors they are, we can't say that they're repurposed according to our definition of the term. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:51, 18 September 2011 (EDT)
::You can't assume they don't match either. [[Special:Contributions/71.238.48.47|71.238.48.47]] 21:22, 18 September 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Thundercracker (SG)

2011-09-18T23:26:24Z

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==Botcon Precedent==
I don't see why that info gets removed when misconceptions and myths get addressed on other pages. The explanations for the removal of the edit (especially the second one) don't make particular sense. Bluestreak's page addresses the blue Bluestreak rumor, Energon Starscream's page addresses the "Nightscream was a separate charachter" myth, Hotrod's toy page addresses the black Rodimus Convoy prototype being rumored to be an unreleased lucky draw figure, not to mention the popular beleif that Metrotitan is a zombie being mentioned on Metrotitan's page. Thus I don't see why the edit about the Botcon precedent is being removed--[[User:BlackStarscream|BlackStarscream]] 03:10, 7 June 2011 (EDT)
:Personally, I had never heard that rumor. Of course, I'm not very active in the fandom. The things you mentioned were widespread, long standing rumors/myths/misunderstandings. Maybe you just happened to encounter the one place that that BotCon rumor has been heard. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 06:44, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

==Repurposing==
Does what's written below mean this toy can count as G1 Thundercracker? --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 10:58, 12 June 2011 (EDT)
: For your own personal collection, yes, but there's no official sanction for it. He's not like Slicer, who had both G1 and SG symbols, and appeared in fiction as both possible uses. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:01, 12 June 2011 (EDT)
:: The symbols don't really matter for some official repurposings, there are plenty of SG characters whose repurposed toys have the wrong sigil, like [[Beachcomber (SG)|Beachcomber]] or [[Seaspray (SG)|Seaspray]]. Though you're right about him needing to appear in fiction as that use. --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 11:22, 12 June 2011 (EDT)
::: Right. Some toys have the wrong faction symbols, but they have to actually be physically repurposed to be considered repurposed. The wiki can't make that leap for them. Nobody's written a story about G1 Thundercracker in that specific body yet. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:35, 12 June 2011 (EDT)
::::In general if a figure made for one character is used in official fictionfor another, then its a repurpose. If not, then until said figure appears as another charachter in fiction, it is not a repurpose. Leaving practiaclly only [[Alpha Trion (SG)|one exception to the rule]].--[[User:BlackStarscream|BlackStarscream]] 02:59, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
:::::Shouldn't there be mention that Pete said they originally planned G2 Redux around G2 Ramjet and Action Master colored Thundercracker, something that eventually became this toy? [[Special:Contributions/71.238.48.47|71.238.48.47]] 19:26, 18 September 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)

2011-09-18T23:15:36Z

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Fire-breath

2011-09-15T01:23:03Z

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[[Image:G1 Slag fire breath.JPG|right|300px|thumb|Him Grimlock like to munch metal. Me Slag like to melt it.]]
'''Fire-breath''' is an ability that several [[Transformer|Transformers]] with reptilian [[Alternate mode|beast modes]] have installed in themselves for combat in their alt modes.

==Fiction==
===Generation 1===
====Generation 1 cartoon continuity====
=====''The Transformers'' cartoon=====
[[Image:G1 cartoon Grimlock fire breath.JPG|left|150px|thumb|Oh, Me Grimlock got to stop adding spice to metal me eat.]]
The [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] had fire-breath included in their alternate modes. Although they all possessed the ability, [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] and [[Slag (G1)|Slag]] were the only ones that really employed it. Slag used his fire-breath to help repair the Washington Monument, {{storylink|Atlantis, Arise!}} and [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] had Grimlock demonstrate his mastery of his fire-breath by adjusting [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]'s volume levels. Later, while practicing on [[Dinobot Island (G1)|Dinobot Island]], Grimlock had Slag practice his "fire stuff" (Grimlock's words) by evaporating a pond. Slag displayed good moves. The local wildlife was not amused. {{storylink|Dinobot Island, Part 1}} Later, Slag's fire-breath saved the Dinobots by evaporating the tar pit they had sunken into, but it made him rather tired. {{storylink|Dinobot Island, Part 2}}

During the brawl among the [[Primitive|Primitives]], Grimlock showed the upity Decepticons not to insult him by unleashing his fire-breath upon them. The Decepticons hit started to [[Humanization|cough]]... cause that's what happens when you get him with fire that can melt body armor. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}

=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
The [[Monsterbot|Monsterbots]] also had fire-breath, based on their toys' [[gimmick]] to fire "cold" sparks. {{storylink|Head Formation of Friendship}}

=====''Super-God Masterforce'' cartoon=====
The Sparkdashers all displayed the ability to breath fire, based on their toys' [[gimmick]] to fire "cold" sparks.

=====''Victory'' cartoon=====
The Decepticon Emperor of Destruction [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]] made use of fire-breath in at least one battle with his hated rival [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]]. {{storylink|The Tide Is Turned! The Ultimate Weapon, the Victory Unification}}

====Marvel Comics continuity====
[[Skullcruncher]] breathed when he attacked a city on Nebulos.{{storylink|Broken Glass!}}

====Toy bios====
As a point of fact, [[Slag (G1)|Slag]]'s very function is "flamethrower".

===Beast Wars===
After becoming a [[Transmetal 2]] dragon, [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] possessed a new ability called '''Blast of Flame'''<ref name=Blast>[[Beast Wars Universe]]</ref>, in one word, fire-breathing. He was also capable of shooting sub-zero blasts which were called "Blast of Cold".<ref name=Blast/> Megatron likes to keep his enemies on their toes. Yessss... {{storylink|Master Blaster}}

===''Robots in Disguise''===
[[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]]'s dual-headed dragon mode possessed an attack named [[Twin Dragon Breath]], which consisted of fire-breath. He first used it on [[Rail Racer (RID)|Rail Racer]] after [[Team Bullet Train]] saved the [[Linear RFG]]. {{Storylink|Bullet Train to the Rescue}} [[Gas Skunk]]'s acid breath was once ignited by [[Railspike (RID)|Railspike]], giving him fire-breath for a few minutes, much to his alarm. He chased [[Slapper (RID)|Slapper]] and [[Dark Scream]] around until he ran out of fuel. {{storylink|The Secret of the Ruins}}

===''Cybertron''===
[[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]]'s [[Cyber Key]] weapon was a pair of smaller dragon heads capable of breathing fire. This attack caused severe damage to [[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Overhaul]] in their first battle.

===''Animated''===
[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] had fire-breath installed in the [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobots]], intending to unleash it against the humans and [[Autobot|Autobots]]. When [[Isaac Sumdac]] confronted him about its presence, Megatron claimed that his desire to have a body once more compelled him to experiment by installing the fire-breath as one of several "features". Sumdac bought it hook, line, and sinker. {{storylink|Blast from the Past}}

==Notes==
* In the mirrorverse realm of ''[[Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'', [[Dinobot (SG)|Dinobots]] possess [[ice-breath]].

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Animated weapons]]
[[Category:Beast Wars weapons]]
[[Category:Cybertron weapons]]
[[Category:Generation 1 weapons]]
[[Category:Robots in Disguise weapons]]

Talk:Repurposing

2011-09-14T13:14:21Z

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==Shattered Glass==
Curiosity: How certain are we about Shattered Glass Arcee, Bludgeon, Huffer, and Gutcruncher? They appear in Dungeons and Dinobots, but not in pictures. Descriptions seem to match the toys listed here, but is there some other confirmation about them? --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 22:06, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
: M Sipher and Trent Troop, who wrote the story, also edit this wiki. Even without their personal confirmation, I was able to determine what toys they were just from reading the text. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:30, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

Does Shockwave's personal repaint count as this?{{unsigned|69.153.131.172|18:31, 13 May 2009}}
:No, that's still the same character appearing as himself.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:34, 13 May 2009 (EDT)
::Where did SG Darkwing and Dreadwind appear in fiction? [[Special:Contributions/68.61.240.172|68.61.240.172]] 14:36, 4 July 2009 (EDT)
:::In the [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 27|club magazine]] in the [[Around Cybertron]] comic strip. Also, they're called Dark''wind'' and Dreadwind in that appearance. -[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 18:48, 4 July 2009 (EDT)
::::I heard SG Landcross was in that magazine too. Is he the Stealth Mode black toy or some other deco? [[Special:Contributions/69.14.142.90|69.14.142.90]] 15:14, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::He looked green and purple like Devastator. [[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 17:25, 12 July 2009 (EDT)

Seeing as how people keep adding stuff to this page and not following up with the toyline page (and vice versa)... is there really any reason to keep synchronizing two identical lists to begin with (especially since it's long and likely to just keep getting longer)? Or can we delete the list on this page and say, "blah blah if you want details of which toys were repurposed see the toyline page blah"? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 07:43, 25 November 2009 (EST)
:I see no reason to have more than a handful of examples on this page. (the section header says "Examples", after all, not "The Definitive List".) 4-5, perhaps, with a commented-out note for people to quit adding to it willy-nilly. You've hit on the prime reason I'm constantly fighting against copy/pasting the same information on multiple pages. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 08:25, 25 November 2009 (EST)
::I don't think any actual examples from Shattered Glass need to be on this page, just a simple comment that many toys have been repurposed as SG characters and a link to the full list. Having ANY examples in this section is just going to cause some people to add more, no matter what kind of notice not to do so you put up. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:35, 25 November 2009 (EST)
:::Yeah, I was think more of Khajidha's philosophy on the matter myself, considering that the SG toyline is practically a shrine to repurposing at this point. Especially since it begs the question of what examples are notable enough to have in this article to begin with. But either way, the ''long'' list has got to go, IMHO. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 14:54, 25 November 2009 (EST)
::::What was the FIRST toy repurposed for Shattered Glass? Leave that one in, put the rest in the list already linked to. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:31, 1 December 2009 (EST)

== Character pages ==
As it is now, on the character pages there is little to denote the toy is repurposed. It just lists the original toy and such. Then at the very end it says something like, "this toy was repurposed as...". Maybe we could make it more prominent and at the beginning of the toy section, such as calling the section heading <nowiki>==Repurposed toys==</nowiki>. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:33, 20 August 2009 (EDT)

== Repurpose vs Repurposing ==

Does anyone else feel that "repurpose" would be better as the title with "repurposing" the redirect rather than the current way? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:32, 15 December 2009 (EST)
: But then it wouldn't be a noun, the actual name of the practice. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:59, 15 December 2009 (EST)
:: I was going with a parallel to redeco, retool, and repaint; all of which I had interpreted as verbs, but I see how they could also be nouns (which repurpose can't). Since there is a reason, I tentatively withdraw my suggestion. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:15, 15 December 2009 (EST)

== e-Hobby ==

Does this section really belong here? This doesn't seem like repurposing to me. Repurposing implies that the toy was not sold as the character it is being used as, Road Rage was sold as Road Rage. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:00, 24 July 2010 (EDT)

==Do the Masterforce cast count as repurposing?==
In Masterforce the Sparkdashers animation models were the colors of the Firecons, not the Sparkdasher toys. So technically isn't that three repuposes? Cindersaur as Destron Guzzle, etc. This might count for Doubleclouder, who was colored like Doubledealer. [[Special:Contributions/71.238.48.47|71.238.48.47]] 19:15, 15 August 2011 (EDT)
:Good thinking, but the creators weren't intentionally repurposing them. It is more like an animation error. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:09, 15 August 2011 (EDT)
::All FOUR colored like the US toys is more than an animation error. Perhaps the animator didn't see the final Japanese version of the toys and only saw US toys, or he didn't know they would be changed for the US release. Either way, if you want a show accurate set, you use the Firecons and Doubledealer for the Sparkdashers and Doubleclouder. [[Special:Contributions/71.238.48.47|71.238.48.47]] 19:44, 2 September 2011 (EDT)

==Definition Creep==
"Cybertron Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus, redecos of Robots in Disguise toys, as Robots in Disguise Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus. "

I would strongly argue that taking a character from one toy line and having him show up in another toyline is not, in fact, repurposing. This is especially apparent when you consider the blurring of toylines that's been going on recently. Things like Shattered Glass and Guardminder are totally legitimate, but some of the examples are a real stretch. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 20:55, 15 August 2011 (EDT)
:The summary for [[Revelations Part 1]] (set in the Cybertron continuity) says that these toys make an appearance as Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus from the RID continuity. If that's true, than they were repurposed, but I think that should be verified if the comic said they were from RID or if someone just assumed they were from RID and they are really the Cybertron characters. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:07, 15 August 2011 (EDT)
::I feel like you're missing the point. Continuity families are a convenient classification invented by this wiki, NOT something that Hasbro or most writers consider. Yes, there is a bit of bleed-over into the fiction with things like the Transtech fiction, but if an Optimus Prime toy is used to represent Optimus Prime, it shouldn't be considered repurposing, regardless of a jump in continuity or continuity family.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 22:51, 15 August 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh! You mean repurposing shouldn't count if it is used as a different continuity version of the same character. Interesting point. In that case, I don't have an opinion. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:21, 15 August 2011 (EDT)
::::OK, I don't have an opinion in general, but in the example you gave, the two guys in question, Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus, came in a "Cybertron" box, so there is no ambiguity there, and they were repurpused as RID guys in a "Cybertron" comic where the continuity is ''not'' blurry. The comic apparently recognizes that ''Cybertron'' Prime and ''RID'' Prime are different characters. So I think that is legitimate repurposing. In other examples where the the continuity ''is'' blurry (like ROTF/IDW Lockdown) you may have a point. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:37, 15 August 2011 (EDT)
:Okay, if Armada Bendy Prime popped up in G1 fiction as a body for G1 Prime, I'm sorry, but I would consider that repurposing. ''However'', in this specific case, since those Cybertron Prime and Ultra Magnus ''had'' previously been released as RID Prime and Magnus (in RID and Universe respectively), then I'm less inclined to treat them as repurposing. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:42, 15 August 2011 (EDT)
::And I'm saying, in the example you site, we SHOULDN'T consider that repurposing. We know that Hasbro considers all Optimus Primes to be variations of the same archetype, theme, guy, character, whatever you want to call it. By allowing the definition to expand to include our own arbitrary classification scheme, we stretch it to the point where it is no longer meaningful. If we limit the definition to clear cut examples of making a new character out of an old one rather than us trying to be clever by pointing out where a toyline's boundaries have blurred, we'll have a definition that's more useful, easier to understand, and more concise.
::(BTW, Hasbro's position on Character Archetypes is not entirely unreasonable. Consider this: it wouldn't be too hard to argue that, say, Sunbow Shockwave and Marvel Comics Shockwave have a lot less in common with each other than, say, G1 Optimus Prime and Armada Optimus Prime.)--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 00:24, 16 August 2011 (EDT)
:::Thinking further on it, perhaps there IS some value to identifying continuity-jumping toys, but I still think the word 'repurpose' is highly misleading. Perhaps some other term and page could be used.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 00:31, 16 August 2011 (EDT)

Any other thoughts on this? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:30, 20 August 2011 (EDT)
:Just a thought trail here: You don't think there can be a repurposing of Optimus (franchise) as Optimus (other franchise), because Hasbro doesn't see things that way. But at the time of this story, alternate universes were part of '''official TF fiction'''. Not "continuity families", but different universes. It's all in the Universe and Transtech fiction. For this example of repurposing, tfwiki isn't using a "convenient classification invented by this wiki", but rather using official fiction that establishes the two OPs as separate entities.

:1) The comic treats the two OPs as different characters.
:2) The toy bio places the toy as the Cybertron version of the character.
:3) The comic uses the likeness of said toy to represent the RID versions of the character.
:4) Therefore, repurpose.

: With that being said, it ''is'' a rather complex example, and I don't think it should be listed on this page. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 14:29, 20 August 2011 (EDT)
::Just playing devil's advocate here with a problem example - if toys representing one named character aren't "repurposed" when they represent other version of those characters, but ones with different names are, we start to have what to me seems like fairly nonsensical cases where Timelines (UT) Astrotrain isn't a repurposing when he becomes Shattered Glass Astrotrain, but all four of his Mini-Cons ARE repurposing. -[[User:LV|LV]] 14:35, 20 August 2011 (EDT)

==Repurposed accessories?==
The drone Over-Run gets in Flames of Yesterday seems to be the drone from Energon Quickstrike. [[Special:Contributions/71.238.48.47|71.238.48.47]] 09:14, 14 September 2011 (EDT)

Fire-breath

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[[Image:G1 Slag fire breath.JPG|right|300px|thumb|Him Grimlock like to munch metal. Me Slag like to melt it.]]
'''Fire-breath''' is an ability that several [[Transformer|Transformers]] with reptilian [[Alternate mode|beast modes]] have installed in themselves for combat in their alt modes.

==Fiction==
===Generation 1===
====Generation 1 cartoon continuity====
=====''The Transformers'' cartoon=====
[[Image:G1 cartoon Grimlock fire breath.JPG|left|150px|thumb|Oh, Me Grimlock got to stop adding spice to metal me eat.]]
The [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] had fire-breath included in their alternate modes. Although they all possessed the ability, [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] and [[Slag (G1)|Slag]] were the only ones that really employed it. Slag used his fire-breath to help repair the Washington Monument, {{storylink|Atlantis, Arise!}} and [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] had Grimlock demonstrate his mastery of his fire-breath by adjusting [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]'s volume levels. Later, while practicing on [[Dinobot Island (G1)|Dinobot Island]], Grimlock had Slag practice his "fire stuff" (Grimlock's words) by evaporating a pond. Slag displayed good moves. The local wildlife was not amused. {{storylink|Dinobot Island, Part 1}} Later, Slag's fire-breath saved the Dinobots by evaporating the tar pit they had sunken into, but it made him rather tired. {{storylink|Dinobot Island, Part 2}}

During the brawl among the [[Primitive|Primitives]], Grimlock showed the upity Decepticons not to insult him by unleashing his fire-breath upon them. The Decepticons hit started to [[Humanization|cough]]... cause that's what happens when you get him with fire that can melt body armor. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}

=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
The [[Monsterbot|Monsterbots]] also had fire-breath, based on their toys' [[gimmick]] to fire "cold" sparks. {{storylink|Head Formation of Friendship}}

=====''Super-God Masterforce'' cartoon=====
The Sparkdashers all displayed the ability to breath fire, based on their toys' [[gimmick]] to fire "cold" sparks.

=====''Victory'' cartoon=====
The Decepticon Emperor of Destruction [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]] made use of fire-breath in at least one battle with his hated rival [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]]. {{storylink|The Tide Is Turned! The Ultimate Weapon, the Victory Unification}}

====Toy bios====
As a point of fact, [[Slag (G1)|Slag]]'s very function is "flamethrower".

===Beast Wars===
After becoming a [[Transmetal 2]] dragon, [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] possessed a new ability called '''Blast of Flame'''<ref name=Blast>[[Beast Wars Universe]]</ref>, in one word, fire-breathing. He was also capable of shooting sub-zero blasts which were called "Blast of Cold".<ref name=Blast/> Megatron likes to keep his enemies on their toes. Yessss... {{storylink|Master Blaster}}

===''Robots in Disguise''===
[[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]]'s dual-headed dragon mode possessed an attack named [[Twin Dragon Breath]], which consisted of fire-breath. He first used it on [[Rail Racer (RID)|Rail Racer]] after [[Team Bullet Train]] saved the [[Linear RFG]]. {{Storylink|Bullet Train to the Rescue}} [[Gas Skunk]]'s acid breath was once ignited by [[Railspike (RID)|Railspike]], giving him fire-breath for a few minutes, much to his alarm. He chased [[Slapper (RID)|Slapper]] and [[Dark Scream]] around until he ran out of fuel. {{storylink|The Secret of the Ruins}}

===''Cybertron''===
[[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]]'s [[Cyber Key]] weapon was a pair of smaller dragon heads capable of breathing fire. This attack caused severe damage to [[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Overhaul]] in their first battle.

===''Animated''===
[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] had fire-breath installed in the [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobots]], intending to unleash it against the humans and [[Autobot|Autobots]]. When [[Isaac Sumdac]] confronted him about its presence, Megatron claimed that his desire to have a body once more compelled him to experiment by installing the fire-breath as one of several "features". Sumdac bought it hook, line, and sinker. {{storylink|Blast from the Past}}

==Notes==
* In the mirrorverse realm of ''[[Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'', [[Dinobot (SG)|Dinobots]] possess [[ice-breath]].

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Animated weapons]]
[[Category:Beast Wars weapons]]
[[Category:Cybertron weapons]]
[[Category:Generation 1 weapons]]
[[Category:Robots in Disguise weapons]]

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Bumblebee (SG Animated)

2011-09-02T21:35:53Z

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:''Bumblebee is an evil [[Autobot]] from the "[[Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]" [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Shattered_glass_bumblebee_bust.jpg|thumb|150px|His lips are the only ones to rival [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus]]'.]]

If the '''Bumblebee''' we've always known has been chipper and chatty, what does that make his negative counterpart? You guessed it. Quiet, back-stabbing, and prone to emit a cackle known only as "oil-curdling."

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' BotCon 2011 Attendee Lithographs===
Due to his size, Bumblebee would prefer to mop up after a battle, rather than actually do any fighting. He hates [[Isaac Sumdac (SG Animated)|Isaac Sumdac]] for his enslavement along with the other Autobots of his universe.<ref>BotCon 2011 Attendee Lithographs</ref>

==Notes==
* Bumblebee's coloration is based on [[BotCon 2007]]'s [[Bug Bite (G1)|Bug Bite]] toy.
* Belonging to two entirely different, and previously unlinked franchises, Bumblebee and his continuity's [[Sari Sumdac (SG Animated)|Sari]] present a... bit of a classification problem.

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Animated Autobots]]
[[Category:Convention-original characters]]
[[Category:Fiction-only characters]]
[[Category:Fiction-only Transformers]]
[[Category:Shattered Glass Autobots]]

Artfire

2011-09-02T21:07:59Z

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{{disambig2|the Targetmaster from ''The Headmasters''|the Spy Changer from ''Car Robots''|Hot Shot (RID)}}
:''Artfire is an [[Autobot]] from the [[The Headmasters (franchise)|Headmasters]] portion of the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Artfire.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Reissue me. I'll sell well. Trust me. I won't kill Soundwave, I swear.]]
'''Artfire''' (アートファイアー ''Ātofaiā'') is a [[Targetmaster]] sniper. He is patient, and thinks of his friends first, but there are times when he ignores orders because of that. His body can withstand temperatures of up to 8,000 degrees Celsius.

His Targetmaster companion is [[Nightstick (Artfire)|Nightstick]], who transforms into a "space beam gun".

That's, uh, pretty much ''all'' there is to him.

==Fiction==
===''The Headmasters'' comic===
[[image:ArtfireManga01.jpg|thumb|left|250px|]]

Along with fellow Targetmaster [[Ricochet (Headmasters)|Ricochet]], Artfire joined [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] and [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel]] in attending to a fire in a large metropolitan area. Artfire and Nightstick aided those trapped in buildings while Ricochet and [[Nightstick (Ricochet)|Nightstick]] used his fire hose to quench the flames.

[[Slugslinger (G1)|Slugslinger]], [[Misfire]] and [[Triggerhappy]], the culprits of the blaze, arrived and made more trouble. The Autobots defeated the [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] quickly, and all was well. {{storylink|The Headmasters issue 7|The Headmasters #7}}

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===United===
[[Image:FierceFightingOnPlanetNebulos-ChromedomeArtfireStepperKup.jpg|right|thumb|300px|[[Guido Guidi]] both loves you and hates you.]]
A devastating [[nano-virus]] plagued the Earthbound Autobots, a plague that Headmasters or Targetmasters like Stepper were mysteriously immune from. [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] charged Stepper with leading a team of unafflicted Autobots including Artfire to [[Nebulos]], where the supreme scientist [[Zella]] had crafted an antidote.

As Stepper's team arrived on Nebulos, an army of Decepticons led by [[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]] appeared via an inter-dimensional portal. The nano-virus was part of a larger plot to draw out the Headmasters and Targetmasters so that their Nebulan partners could be collected. As Stepper, [[Kup (G1)|Kup]], and [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] concentrated their attacks on Straxus, Stepper slipped through the battle to pick up Zella's antidote. With Straxus defeated, the Decepticons fled.

The antidote was successful, and Artfire was there as [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] personally thanked Stepper for his brave efforts. {{storylink|The Fierce Fighting on Planet Nebulos}}
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==Toys==
===The Headmasters===
*'''Artfire''' (Targetmaster, 1987)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''C-108'''
**''Accessories'': 2 "wings", gun mount, left & right fists

: Artfire is a [[retool]] of [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]], transforming into a Mitsubishi Fuso fire engine. His ladder and robot-mode fists were given new tooling to allow him to use any Targetmaster gun. He came with his Targetmaster partner Nightstick, and did ''not'' come with any of Inferno's other weapons (the rifle or missiles), just the removable fists and head-"wings".

: This base mold is also used by [[Grapple]] and [[Hauler|RoadHauler]].

::*{{external|http://www.tfu.info/1987/Cybertron/Artfire/artfire.htm|More information on Artfire}}
::*[http://www.geocities.com/oblivionsgallery13/techs1987.html Translation of Artfire's tech-spec]
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==Notes==
* No explanation is given as to how Artfire became bonded with his Targetmaster buddy, as he certainly wasn't present when the Targetmaster process happened in the episode "[[Miraculous Warriors, Targetmasters (Part 1)]]".

* According to [[Aaron Archer]], Artfire is on the "short list" of potential reissue candidates should the [[Commemorative Series]] return. If he does, it's ''possible'' that the reissue will come with a complete set of weapons like [[Ricochet (Headmasters)|Ricochet]] did.

* Being one of the last figures from [[The Headmasters (toyline)|''The Headmasters'' toy run]] and one of the few "originals" to the Japanese toyline at the time, Artfire commands ridiculous amounts of money on the secondary market (hence the clamor for a reissue).

*The name "Artfire" may be a pun on (or misspelling of) "Autofire". The two names/words share a very close spelling in Japanese Katakana.

*In the Generations 2011 comic Artfire's form is based on a recolor of the Universe Inferno mold with a recolor Power Core Combiner Pinpoint as his Targetmaster partner.

==External links==
*[http://www.tfarchive.com/comics/japanese/trans296.php Headmasters #7 translated in English]

[[Category:Japanese-original characters]]
[[Category:Targetmasters]]
[[Category:The Headmasters Autobots]]
[[Category:United Autobots]]

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2011-09-02T20:44:16Z

71.238.48.47: New page: Looking at the art on the last page it looks like Kup now has some sorta of "Elite Guard" wings on his Autobo symbol, and Optimus Prime is handing Stepper a new Autobot symbol with Elite G...

Looking at the art on the last page it looks like Kup now has some sorta of "Elite Guard" wings on his Autobo symbol, and Optimus Prime is handing Stepper a new Autobot symbol with Elite Guard wings too. Another continuity with Elite Guardsmen? [[Special:Contributions/71.238.48.47|71.238.48.47]] 16:44, 2 September 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Repurposing

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Talk:Minerva (Animated)

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"dontcha know"? Did she really say that in the script reading? Because if that's a reference to the "landing in Quebec" thing, it makes about as much sense as New Yorker suddenly busting out "I tell you what"s. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:20, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
: Agreed. Canada isn't a nation of Edie McClurgs. Did they specify where in Quebec she landed, and what language the human driver spoke? Which Canadian accent did the actress use? Am I being too pedantic? Yes? Yes. Still. --[[User:Wednesday|wednesday]] 16:45, 9 June 2011 (EDT)
:: She sounded vaguely like the mom on Bobby's World. Some folks mistook it for a Sarah Palin impression. Her bio said nothing more than "crash-landed in Quebec," and her voice description on the script (reportedly) said simply "Canadian." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:58, 9 June 2011 (EDT)
when listening to the script reading, I didn't notice any irregularities in her accent, but I'm Canadian so maybe I just don't detect. But on the other hand, "dontchaknow?" is just grating. --[[Special:Contributions/24.150.186.181|24.150.186.181]] 18:39, 10 June 2011 (EDT)
:-Where do you listen to the Botcon script reading? [[Special:Contributions/71.238.48.47|71.238.48.47]] 17:08, 21 July 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Minerva (Animated)

2011-07-21T21:08:53Z

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"dontcha know"? Did she really say that in the script reading? Because if that's a reference to the "landing in Quebec" thing, it makes about as much sense as New Yorker suddenly busting out "I tell you what"s. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:20, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
: Agreed. Canada isn't a nation of Edie McClurgs. Did they specify where in Quebec she landed, and what language the human driver spoke? Which Canadian accent did the actress use? Am I being too pedantic? Yes? Yes. Still. --[[User:Wednesday|wednesday]] 16:45, 9 June 2011 (EDT)
:: She sounded vaguely like the mom on Bobby's World. Some folks mistook it for a Sarah Palin impression. Her bio said nothing more than "crash-landed in Quebec," and her voice description on the script (reportedly) said simply "Canadian." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:58, 9 June 2011 (EDT)
when listening to the script reading, I didn't notice any irregularities in her accent, but I'm Canadian so maybe I just don't detect. But on the other hand, "dontchaknow?" is just grating. --[[Special:Contributions/24.150.186.181|24.150.186.181]] 18:39, 10 June 2011 (EDT)
--Where do you listen to the Botcon script reading? [[Special:Contributions/71.238.48.47|71.238.48.47]] 17:08, 21 July 2011 (EDT)

Seeker (body-type)

2011-07-16T19:23:02Z

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{{disambig3|Seeker}}

[[Image:Seekers.png|right|300px|thumb|Well, they keep the toy-repainting fans off the streets, at least. (Generic Seekers from, clockwise: 1) MtMtE Part 3, 2) sticker sheet, 3-6) Five Faces of Darkness)]]

The term '''Seeker''' refers to [[Decepticon]] jet troopers who share [[Starscream (disambiguation)|Starscream]]'s [[body-type]] but with different colors or minor variations in wing and head shapes. This is most clearly and commonly known from ''[[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]]'', but any franchise with a Starscream is almost [[To sell toys|inevitably]] going to feature a similar "family" of [[redeco]]ed jet-formers.

The word "Seeker" hovered a long time in a strange gray area between official and fan-coined terms. It seems to have originated in ''extremely'' obscure official or semi-official writing, but somehow became widely used among fans. ''(See [[#Origin of the term|below]].)'' In 2002, the term appeared in dialog from the first issue of ''[[The War Within]]'' from [[Dreamwave Productions]], [[Canonizing|making it truly official]] after years of controversy. It has subsequently appeared in many other places such as on toy packaging, books, and in other stories.

==Generation 1 Seekers==
===Originals===
[[Image:MainSeekers.gif|300px|thumb|right|The original Seekers]]
In Generation 1, there were six Seekers originally given names and characterization: [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]], [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]], [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]], [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]], and [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]]. The first three, the season one Seekers, had animation designs done primarily by [[Shōhei Kohara]].
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===Coneheads===
[[Image:ConeheadsGenerations1.jpg|200px|thumb|right|The Coneheads.]]
The last three Generation 1 Seekers are usually designated as "[[Conehead]]" Seekers by fans for their distinctive transformation that leaves the jet nosecone pointing up. The animation models for the Conehead Seekers were designed by [[Floro Dery]].
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===Skyraiders===
[[Image:WingsofHonor-Skyraiders.jpg|right|thumb|250px|New guys, same ol' body-type.]]
The term "Skyraiders" (see [[#Alternate terms|alternate terms]]) was assigned to the prototypical Starscream-like air warriors that [[Skyquake (G1)|Skyquake]] developed at the very beginning of the war. The ranks of the Skyraiders did not seem to include any of the usual Seekers, but instead comprised other flying Decepticon characters. In addition to Skyquake himself, the Skyraiders were [[Leozack]], [[Hellbat]], [[Hooligan (G2)|Hooligan]], and [[Guyhawk]].
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===And all the rest===
[[Image:MTMTEGenerics-OilField.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Aw, not "[[When Continents Collide]]" again...]]
In the Generation 1 cartoon there were large numbers of [[generic]], unnamed Seekers in addition to the named characters. They came in a wide variety of colors, from extra duplicates of Starscream or one of the other named guys, to original and distinct looks all their own. They seem to have formed the bulk of the Decepticon forces on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], as well as among [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s initial troops on [[Earth]]. They gradually became less common, perhaps as a result of casualties... or the cartoon's production team becoming more careful, or more-likely having more "actual" Decepticons to work with as the toy line expanded. (Extra [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] units and alternate color cassettes were also used along with these Seekers, early on, to fill out the comparatively thin Decepticon ranks.)

These unsung Seekers would be recognized years later in ''[[Heroes of Cybertron]]'' toy form as the [[Air Warrior]]s (all using the common lavender/white color scheme). Soon afterward, the [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] ''Generation One'' comic series introduced an army of similarly-colored Seeker drones.

[[Image:AirWarriors MTMtE.jpg|right|200px|thumb|You talking to me? Or him? Or the other one?]]

Around the same time, another background Seeker was also given a new life through toys and Dreamwave comics: [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]]. This yellow-orange Seeker was a nameless background character in the first episode of the ''Transformers'' cartoon, until [[e-Hobby]] turned him into an [[exclusive]] toy (available with an [[Autobot]] also based on a [[Hauler|first-episode cameo]]). Now [[Hasbro]] [[Sunstorm (disambiguation)|can't get enough of him]]. Another generic Seeker was given attention: [[Acid Storm]]. Like Sunstorm before him, he was based on one of the background Seekers from the original cartoon, in this case the episode "Divide and Conquer" (see below).
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Unnamed Seekers with their own distinct color schemes appear in the following episodes as noted below:

[[Image:Sunstorm Cartoon.jpg|250px|thumb|One for all, and all for one. Sunstorm and co. attack.]]
* "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]"
:In the "return to [[Great Dome|Iacon]]" scene on Cybertron, five to seven Seekers appear (wide shots depict a group of five, but the close-ups give us seven distinct color schemes.) The first three are (as far as colors are concerned) Skywarp, Starscream (with a deeper voice), and Thundercracker. In a following shot, we see a lavender Seeker with a flamethrower pack, a medium-blue Seeker with white trim, holding his arm gun like a rifle, a yellow/orange Seeker who would become Sunstorm... and lurking in the back, a very dark-blue Seeker with white trim barely visible, but there if you look.

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[[Image:MmteSeekers2.gif|250px|thumb|Lots of generic Seekers from this one.]]
* "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 2]]" and "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 3|Part 3]]"
:The mother lode of unnamed Seekers. Especially if you like variations of blue and lavender. Crowds of them appear at the start of the final battle. At least six different Seekers of various shades and decos of blue and at least four of various shades and decos of lavender (two with black tail fins in jet mode, two with white). Also, a blue variant (seen in the picture above) missing his wings and shoulder vents appears in "Part 3".

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[[Image:DivideandCon.gif|300px|thumb|Divide and Conquer Seekers]]
* "[[Divide and Conquer]]"
: Avert your eyes! One deep blue, one eye-burning bright green, and one garishly bright yellow. This trio is often referred to by fans as "the [[Rainmakers]]" because they started an [[acid rain]] shower to irritate a group of [[Autobot|Autobots]]. The green jet in this grouping was made into the ''[[Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Acid Storm]] character, whose name was initially supposed to be "Rainmaker", then "Acid Rain".

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[[Image:UltimateDoom.gif|300px|thumb|Ultimate Doom Seekers]]
* "[[The Ultimate Doom, Part 3]]"
: Two blue variants and one really nice looking pine-green Seeker appear as part of Shockwave's forces trying to prevent the rescue of [[Sparkplug Witwicky|Sparkplug]] on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].

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* "[[Five Faces of Darkness]]"
: One all-gray Seeker, one with [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]]'s coloration, and one with [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]]'s. There's also an interesting Conehead variant. (All of which appear in the main image above.)

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[[Image:NotDirge.gif|200px|thumb|Dark Awakening Seeker]]
* "[[The Transformers: The Movie]]" & "[[Dark Awakening]]"
: One season 1-style [[:Image:DirgeseekerTFMovie.jpg|Seeker]] with Dirge's colors appears in jet mode in the attack on Autobot City in the movie, and next to the actual Dirge in the episode.

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* Puffy stickers
: A sheet of Transformer puffy stickers featured a rare generic with a Starscream-based color scheme. He is pictured above as well.

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[[Image:Returntocybertron-seeker.jpg|200px|thumb|Return to Cybertron Seeker.]]
* "[[Return to Cybertron]]"
: This relatively obscure [[Sticker Adventures]] tale gives us a brief glimpse of a Seeker with a Thundercracker/Skywarp mix; blue body, purple tailfins and wing stripes. You can't tell much more about him, given that he is A: partially obscured and B: exploding.

===IDW comics continuity===

Seekers are elite officers in the Decepticon army, and are expected to fulfill a leadership role on the battlefield in commanding other Decepticon troops. Seekers are expected to show absolute loyalty to the Decepticon cause. {{storylink|Seasons in Flight}} {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 12|All Hail Megatron #12}}

The seekers all take on the same body type out of respect to their commander, Starscream, and hold a position of prestige within the Decepticon ranks {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 6|All Hail Megatron #6}}

[[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] are Seekers, although they may be using a different definition of the term. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 14|All Hail Megatron #14}}

==UK Generation 2 comic==
An unnamed seeker with a light blue body with white face, light red helmet and thighs, and yellow cockpit cover was hanging around when Megatron boarded the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]. {{storylink|War Without End (issue)|War Without End}}

==Unicron Trilogy Seekers==
According to one minor source in ''[[Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'', when any Transformer converts to a jet, he is called a "seeker"<ref>''[[Transformers Armada: The Awakening]]'' DK Readers book.</ref>. But the closest specific characters to the Generation 1 Seekers are this universe's own [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]]/[[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]]/[[Skywarp (Armada)|Skywarp]] trio. All three even used the same toy mold in their first release, although Skywarp was heavily [[Retool|retooled]] from the others (including getting an entirely new-mold [[Mini-Con]] partner). While new Decepticon-allied jet characters named [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] and [[Ramjet (Armada)|Ramjet]] were released in ''Armada'', they each had their own unique molds. However, whereas Ramjet was simply the Mini-Con partner of [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave]], Thrust was a [[bulk]] who even had a VTOL engine in jet mode, a conehead and vertically-oriented wings in robot mode. Although Thrust's original toy was green, redecos looked a bit more like his G1 incarnation. It was also redecoed into ''[[Universe (2003 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Sunstorm (Universe)|Sunstorm]].

Though only Starscream appeared in the follow-up franchise, ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'', several Seekers appeared in the final portion of the Unicron Trilogy, ''[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]''. Starscream was back in a form heavily inspired by ''[[The War Within]]'' Starscream design (itself based on the "tetrajet" (see below)), while Thundercracker received a completely different body. A Skywarp was also released as a redeco of Thundercracker.

Further, the ''[[Legends Class|Legends of Cybertron]]'' Starscream toy, a tiny, simplified version of his main toy, was redecoed three more times: [[Skywarp (Armada)|Skywarp]] as a giveaway at [[ComicCon 2005]], [[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]] as a giveaway at [[BotCon 2005]], and [[Sunstorm (LOC)|Sunstorm]] as part of the last wave of the LOC line at retail.

==Live-action movie franchise Seekers==

In the letters page for [[Transformers (Titan Magazine)|Titan's tie-in comic]], the movie versions of [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]], and [[Ramjet (Movie)|Ramjet]] were first referred to as Seekers—by Starscream himself, no less. [[Dreadwing (Movie)|Dreadwing]] was noticeably absent from Starscream's list, despite also being a jet and Thundercracker also being the name/body for a line of drones. This left it unclear what a Seeker ''is''. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 9|#9's Star Screams}}

The term was used twice in IDW movie comics, meaning different things—[[Seeker (Movie)|Starscream's crack unit]], and [[Seeker (ROTF)|ancient spacefaring Transformers]].

In the [[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|movie sequel]], Jetfire describes himself as a Seeker. One of the early categories of Transformers, they were created to seek out stars which could be harvested for energon. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

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==Shattered Glass==
The term is taken to refer to [[Seeker (SG)|a group of evil Autobots with car alternate modes who share the same color of black]].

==Aligned continuity==
The Seekers were a pre-existing group long before the formation of the Decepticons. There is some indication that the Seekers are an elite group of the best of the best fliers, although what (if anything) distinguishes a Seeker from any other flying Transformer is open to question. They tend to mostly, though not always, share a common design.

In an effort to placate the eternally fueding cities of [[Vos]] and [[Tarn]] each was given something of value. Vos thus became the home of the [[Air Commander|Cybertronian Air Command]] home base of the Seekers. [[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]] was one of their leaders before the war, and [[Autobot High Council|High Councilor]] [[Contrail]] seems to have been another. The Seekers were employed in ancient times to guard the secret of [[Dark Energon]] hidden aboard [[Trypticon Station]]. They kept this charge even when Starscream allied with the Decepticons, though for the most part they remained largely independent in the civil war.

[[Shockwave (WFC)|Shockwave]], apparently upset at being pulled away from the [[Crystal City]], manuvered Vos and Tarn into destroying each other, wiping out most of the Air Commanders that formed the basis of Starscream's power and bolstering his own position as Second-in-command.

In the aftermath of this betrayal many of the surviving Seekers from Vos joined the Autobots, becoming the [[Aerialbot (WFC)|Aerialbot]]s. [[Jetfire (WFC)|Jetfire]] was one notable Seeker who defected from the Decepticons to the Autobots, helping them exploit their own flight skills further.

As part of his power play with Starscream Megatron sent gladiators to kill many of the Air Command's scientists when finally taking control of Trypticon away from the Seekers.''{{storylink|Transformers: Exodus}}''

'''Known Seekers:'''
*Starscream
*[[Skywarp (WFC)|Skywarp]]
*[[Thundercracker (WFC)|Thundercracker]]
*Jetfire
*Contrail
*[[Bitstream]]
*[[Hotlink]]
*[[Nacelle]]

{{note|[[Slipstream (WFC)|Slipstream]]'s body is a female variation on the Seeker form, but she has not been explicitly said to be one.}}

==Origin of the term==
Although "Seeker" is the most well-known name for these Decepticons, the reason for its wide use is a bit of a mystery.

[[Image:Seekers ad text.jpg|left|197px|thumb|No, you fool, we're following orders: We were told to scour the countryside, so we're scouring it.]]

There are only two known official uses of the term in 20th century, both of them in department-store advertisements from the [[1984]] holiday season. The J.C. Penney catalog (sometimes called a "wishbook") featured a page dedicated to ''[[Transformers brand|Transformers]]'' that included this statement in its description of Starscream: "Airplane with sensational F-15 styling scours the countryside searching for Autobots. When they're found, the Seekers set out to destroy them." It also said [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] "sends out messages to the Seekers and other Decepticons".<ref>J.C. Penney 1984 wishbook [[:Image:Seekers ad.jpg|(full-page scan)]]</ref> Additionally, the now-defunct discount retail chain Zayre put out an ad in November 1984 listing Starscream and either Thundercracker or Skywarp as "Decepticon Seeker".<ref name="savead">Zayre 1984 ad [http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf84.html (scan at The Vintage Space Toaster Palace)]</ref>

Some fans interpret those two seemingly-unrelated instances to mean that the capitalized term "Seeker" was handed down by [[Hasbro]] in promotional materials, and those retailers happened to run with it. It's impossible to know one way or the other with any certainty, but the most curious aspect is that the online ''Transformers'' fan community was already using the word in the early '90s, when the [[fandom]] was just getting on its feet. Were those obscure toy ads strong enough in the fandom's collective memory to determine common parlance almost ten years after the fact? Or were there more official usages that have since disappeared?

Even the '90s-era fandom didn't know where the term had come from, as evidenced by confused conversations from that time on [[alt.toys.transformers]].<ref>[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_frm/thread/e885ffdf4355e933/13eeeeae7e2483b7?tvc=17 alt.toys.transformers thread from 1996 about the origin of "Seeker"]</ref> While no one cited those toy ads, there were plenty of ''wrong'' answers, which may explain the term's staying power. The strongest of those erroneous explanations was that it had come from the phrase "[[Ferak|hunter-seeker skyship]]" used in [[The Smelting Pool!|issue 17]] of the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US comic]]. However, the Decepticons it is applied to are shown only in their flight modes, which look nothing like the jets in question. In fact, the Coneheads make their first appearance in the same issue, and their Cybertronian flight modes appear very similar to their [[Earth]] jet forms (if not completely identical), and completely ''different'' from the craft which are referred to as hunter-seekers. The only real connection between the hunter-seekers we were shown and the "Seekers" is that there's more than one of them and they fly.

During this phase of questionable canonicity, fans flirted with other terms such as "Skyraider" ''(see [[#Alternate terms|below]])'', but in 2002 [[Simon Furman]] used "Seeker" in a Dreamwave comic script, which sealed the deal of officiality and set the tone not just for the fandom, but for the ''Transformers'' fiction that came afterwards as well.

==Alternate terms==
[[Image:86Planes.jpg|thumb|left|200px|I don't know what to call you, [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], but I know "plane" isn't it.]]

The most obvious alternate name for these Transformers—and the one generally used by toy [[Pack-in material|pack-in]] [[catalog]]s—is '''[[Decepticon Planes]]'''. While usually clear enough from context, this term has the weakness that there are many Decepticon planes who do not share this body-type. Also, the term is rarely, if ever, used outside of toy-specific contexts. The first [[United Kingdom|UK]] toy pack-in catalog referred to the group as '''strike planes'''.<ref>First UK toy catalog [http://www.transformertoys.co.uk/img/toysheets/g1/uksheet01/1.jpg (scan at Transformers @ The Moon)]</ref> In Japan, they were called '''Jetrons'''.

Within the fiction, the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|cartoon]] episode "[[Atlantis, Arise!]]" features [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] calling Thundercracker a '''Deceptijet'''. And the 1985 audio book "[[Sun Raid]]" has Megatron ordering the '''Deceptiplanes''' (Starscream, Skywarp and Thundercracker) to break off an attack. The audio book "[[Jaws of Terror]]" refered to them as "Decepticon superjets."

[[Image:Tetrajet seekers.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Did you ever wonder why we had to run for shelter...]]

For a long time, it has been common among fans to refer to the Seekers' cartoon Cybertronian forms (from the episode "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]" among others) as '''tetrajets''' because their shape resembles a [[wikipedia:tetrahedron|tetrahedron]], a pyramid with a triangular base.

If there was ever an official term that could've given "Seeker" a run for its money, it was the one used on the [[Europe]]an ''[[Generation 2 (franchise)|Generation 2]]'' packaging of Starscream and Ramjet: '''Skyraiders'''.<ref>Starscream and Ramjet's European ''Generation 2'' packaging [http://www.cobraislandtoys.com/tf/1992/starscreamg2boxfront.jpg (photo at Cobra Island Toys)]</ref> That term also appeared in those characters' profiles in the [[Generation 2 (Fleetway comic)|UK ''Generation 2'' comic]]. When the modern fandom dug this information up, "Seeker" was still considered a fan-generated term, so there was a push to supplant it with "Skyraider". But Furman's use of "Seeker" in the then-current Dreamwave comics, coupled with the rediscovery of the J.C. Penney wishbook, put a damper on that movement. Some years later, the term "Skyraider" was officially resurrected to describe the jet warriors in the [[BotCon 2009]] set "[[Wings of Honor]]" (based on the [[Starscream_(Armada)#Energon|''Energon'' Starscream mold]]). [[Skyquake (G1)|Skyquake]] was indicated as the body-type's developer.

==Games==
===''Transformers: Mystery of Convoy''===
{{storylink|Transformers: Mystery of Convoy}}
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===Transformers: Cybertron Adventures===
{{charstubfiction}}
{{storylink|Transformers: Cybertron Adventures}}

==Toys==
{{note|Because of the bodytype-sharing nature of the Seekers, this section includes only molds that have been decorated as two or more Seeker characters, omitting a large number of molds unique to a single character.}}
===Generation 1===
[[Image:Redeco.jpg|right|250px|thumb|The original Seekers.]]
* '''[[Decepticon Planes]]''' (1984)
{{collist|3|
:* [[Skywarp (G1)/toys|Skywarp]]
:* [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]]
:* [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys|Thundercracker]]
}}

* '''Decepticon Planes''' (1985)
{{collist|3|
:* [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]]
:* [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]]
:* [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]]
}}

:The original Seeker mold was the [[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes#F-15 Eagle|F-15]] ''[[Diaclone]]'' design, noted for its detailed jet mode, extremely limited robot-mode articulation, and the need to remove/add many parts during transformation.

:The mold was initially decorated as Starscream, Skywarp and Thundercracker. In 1985, Ramjet, Dirge and Thrust were created out of this mold, each with unique new wing toolings and color schemes. Redecorated [[retool]]s of the mold also appeared in ''[[Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' as Starscream and Ramjet, featuring new accessory [[soundbox]]es.

:This mold subsequently has been extensively reissued and redecorated; see [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream (G1) toys]] for a ridiculously long list of examples. The reissues have included the original six characters as well as the retro-Generation-1 character [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]].

* '''[[Action Master]]s''' (1990)

:This non-transforming action figure mold was sold as Starscream, and later redecorated as Thundercracker for the European market.

===''Machine Wars''===
[[Image:MWSkywarp.jpg|right|200px|thumb|''Machine Wars'' Skywarp]]
* '''Basic''' (1997)

:A small [[Flipchanger|flipchanger]] mold, originally intended for ''[[Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'', was issued as Thundercracker and Skywarp.

===''Armada''===
* '''Max-Con''' (2002)

:An all-new mold sold at the $20 price point was originally issued as ''Armada'' [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]], redecorated as ''Armada'' [[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]], and retooled as ''Armada'' [[Skywarp (Armada)|Skywarp]]. The retooled version was later issued as the new character [[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]] in the first ''Universe'' toy line.

===''Smallest Transforming Transformers''===
[[Image:STFStarscream toy.jpg|right|200px|thumb|''Smallest Transforming Transformers'' Starscream]]
:The ''Smallest'' line, issued in Japan in 2003, featured a reduced-scale version of the original Generation 1 Seeker mold.

:It was issued as Starscream, Skywarp and Thundercracker, and retooled as Thrust.

===''Robot Masters''===
:A new Seeker mold was created for Japan's ''[[Robot Masters (franchise)|Robot Masters]]'' subline. It is based on the original toy, but redesigned at a smaller size and with enhanced articulation.

:It was issued as Starscream, Skywarp and Thundercracker.

===''Titanium''===
[[Image:TitaniumHeroesWWThundercracker.jpg|right|200px|thumb|''Titanium'' Thundercracker]]
:A new Seeker mold created for the ''[[Titanium Series]]'' subline features a Cybertronian-based alternate mode, derived from the characters' appearance in ''[[The War Within]]'' (itself loosely based on the original pyramid jets seen in "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]".) This mold has been issued as Thundercracker, Starscream, Skywarp (a convention exclusive), Sunstorm, and Thrust (a Target Exclusive).

===''Cybertron''===
* '''Voyager''' (2006)

:This mold, based on G1 Starscream's ''[[The War Within]]'' appearance, was issued as ''Armada'' Starscream, and later redecorated as Generation 1 Dirge.

* '''Deluxe''' (2006)
: Though Thundercracker wasn't the same mold as Starscream in this series, his deluxe toy was redecoed as Skywarp.

* '''Legends of Cybertron''' (2006)

:A tiny version of the Voyager mold, issued as ''Armada'' Starscream, and redecorated as ''Universe'' [[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]], ''Armada'' [[Skywarp (Armada)#LOC|Skywarp]] and [[Sunstorm (LOC)|Sunstorm]], and Generation 1 [[Ramjet (G1)#Universe_.282008.29|Ramjet]] and [[Thrust (G1)#Universe_.282008.29|Thrust]]

===''Classics''===
[[Image:Henkei Thundercracker toy.jpg|right|200px|thumb|''Henkei! Henkei!'' Thundercracker]]
* '''Deluxe''' (2006)

:An all-new mold at the $10 price point, the ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' Seeker design retains the F-15 alternate mode, but with a new transformation scheme and modern articulation.

:Like the original, this mold has been redecorated numerous times. In addition to the original six Seekers (some of which were BotCon-exclusive retools), it has also been issued as the character [[Acid Storm]]. The mold was sold in Japan under the ''Henkei! Henkei!'' line.

===''Masterpiece''===
:A larger-scaled, highly complex mold. Issued as Starscream in 2005, with later retools as Skywarp, Thundercracker and most recently Ghost Starscream, with transparent parts.

===Movie (2007)===
* '''Voyager'''

[[Image:Movie Voyager Starscream toy.jpg|right|250px|thumb|''2007 Live Action Movie'' Starscream]]
:The mold used for the the [[Transformers (2007)|''Transformers'' live-action movie]] [[Voyager]] class [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] figure was remolded and repainted into [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]] (as well as a G1 recolor of Starscream.) For the ''[[Revenge of the Fallen]]'' line of toys, the mold was recolored again as [[Skywarp (ROTF)|Skywarp]] and [[Ramjet (Movie)|Ramjet]] respectively.

* '''Fast Action Battler'''

:The [[Fast Action Battler]] version of Starscream was recolored into Ramjet in 2007.
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===''Animated''===
* '''Voyager'''

[[Image:Animated Skywarp Voyager.jpg|right|200px|thumb|''Animated'' Skywarp]]
:The [[Voyager]] class [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] from [[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Animated]] was recolored into two of his [[Starscream clone (Animated)|clones]], [[Skywarp (Animated)|Skywarp]] and [[Sunstorm (Animated)|Sunstorm]], with a third one, [[Thundercracker (Animated)|Thundercracker]], going unreleased.

* '''Activators'''

: Starscream's [[Activators]] mold, a smaller, auto-transforming design based on the larger toy, was recolored into Thundercracker, [[Dirge (Animated)|Dirge]], Skywarp and [[Ramjet (Animated)|Ramjet]], also based on the clones from the cartoon.

* '''Legends'''

: The tiny [[Legends Class]] Starscream mold was recolored into clear versions of Thundercracker, Skywarp, Sunstorm, Ramjet and [[Starscream Clone Black Version|a black clone]].

==Merchandise==
[[Image:HoC 3H Seeker Set.jpg|right|250px|thumb|[[Starscream (G1)|I]] am [[Thundercracker (G1)|he]] as [[Skywarp (G1)|you]] are he as you are me and [[Air Warrior|we]] are all together.]]
===''Super Collection Figure''===
:A small, PVC plastic figure based on the Seekers' animation model design. It was imported from Takara in the 2002 ''Heroes of Cybertron'' line.

:It was issued as Starscream, Thundercracker, Skywarp, Sunstorm, and as a six-pack of the three original seekers and three generic light purple [[Air Warrior|Air Warriors]]. It was retooled and redecorated as Ramjet, Thrust and Dirge.

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===Titanium Series===
[[Image:TitaniumRM Starscream.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Stop, in the name of love...]]

: A small, non-transforming die-cast metal figurine, based upon the Generation 1 cartoon appearance of the Seekers was available decoed as either Starscream or Thundercracker.
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===''Myclone''===
[[Image:MyCloneRamjet.jpg|right|100px|thumb|''Myclone'' Ramjet]]
:A super-adorable figurine mold of Starscream was issued for this line, and redecorated as the [[chase figure]] Thundercracker. A Coneheads mold was also available, issued as Ramjet and chase figure Dirge, and retooled as Thrust.
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===''Robot Heroes''===
[[Image:Robot Hero Skywarp.jpg|right|120px|thumb|Robot Heroes Skywarp]]
:Another super-adorable figurine of Starscream, this time launching himself into the air. Redecorated as Skywarp and Thundercracker. A Thrust mold from the same line has yet to be redecorated.
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==Notes==
*''Generation 2'' concept art revealed in the ''[[Transformers Vault]]'' book shows an unreleased tanish variant on the Ramjet toy (previously seen in toy mock-up form) that would have been named [[Sandstorm (G2)|Sandstorm]].

*A mostly black and grey mock-up of ''Generation 2'' Starscream was also seen from the same source as the Sandstorm mock-up. This toy has "Black Death" written on the nosecone and may perhaps have also been intended as a new character of that name.

*Another mock-up deco variant of the Starscream toy in jungle colors is also known to exist. As with "Black Death" Starscream and previously desert camo Ramjet, this may have been intended to be a new character.

*Lastly, ''another'' mock-up deco variant of the Ramjet toy in sky colors is also known to exist. As with all the above mock-up decoes, this may have been intended to be a new character.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Jetron''' (ジェットロン ''Jettoron'')

==References==
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[[Category:Decepticon subgroups]]
[[Category:Fandom]]
[[Category:Generation 1 subgroups]]
[[Category:Seekers| Seeker (body-type)]]
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Stratosphere

2011-06-25T15:51:32Z

71.238.48.47: /* Revenge of the Fallen */

{{factions|autobotfilm|NEST}}

:''Stratosphere is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen franchise]] in the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Rotf stratosphere titan.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Have you seen Jackie?]]

When a unit of Autobots needs to get somewhere fast, they turn to '''Stratosphere'''. His cargo plane mode can transport an entire team half way around the [[Earth|globe]] and then supply high-altitude covering fire when they get there. In the air, he is virtually unbeatable, and he knows it; Stratosphere thinks he can take on just about any challenge all on his lonesome, and this becomes a distinct problem when the threat is on the ground, where his combat abilities are no great shakes. As a consequence, he doesn't like to spend a lot of time on terra firma, preferring to reign supreme in the sky for as long as possible.

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==Fiction==
===Titan Magazines ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics===
[[Image:Titan_Stratospherenothingood.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Hey Strat, what do you think a Chuck Austen/Rob Liefeld comic about Drift and ROTF Wheelie would be like?]]
During a routine sweep of British Columbia, Stratosphere lost contact with [[NEST]] headquarters when he flew through an unanticipated bank of heavy cloud over a mountain range. The cloud bank proved artificial, created by the Decepticons in order to hide their operation to reconstruct [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]], a truth Stratosphere discovered when the partially-functional behemoth swatted him out the sky. His wings damaged by the blow and his communications nullified by a Decepticon jamming field, Stratosphere hoofed it to the Decepticons' construction site, and single-handedly took out the work-bots in a frenzied frontal assault. Construction supervisor [[Skywarp (ROTF)|Skywarp]] proved tougher to handle, and Stratosphere was floored by a single kick from the Decepticon, but luckily, before a killing shot could be delivered, Stratosphere exploited his unusual body shape by spinning over on the ground and smacking Skywarp with his wing. Realizing that he couldn't face this threat down alone, he destroyed the jamming array and radioed in his position to NEST with a request to [[bring the rain]]. Undeterred, Skywarp transformed to jet mode and came streaking towards him, but Stratosphere quipped that being brought down to earth had given him a new perspective, and he tilted the device generating the cloud bank upwards, blinding Skywarp with it. Skywarp crashed, and Stratosphere made himself scarce, meeting up with [[Jolt (ROTF)|Jolt]], [[Rollbar (ROTF)|Rollbar]] and [[Dune Runner (ROTF)|Dune Runner]] just as the air-strike arrived. Watching the massive blast from afar, Jolt wondered if Devastator could have survived, and Stratosphere advocated not waiting around to find out. After all... any landing he could walk away from was a good one!
{{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.14|Head in the Clouds}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Dark of the Moon - The Game''===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Travis Willingham]]

====Xbox 360/PS3====
[[Image:DOTMgame-StratosphereStealthMode.jpg|right|thumb|300px|[[Stealth Force]], bitches!]]

Stratosphere was stationed in a base located in an icy ravine, there he would receive the MechTech technology that was going to be sent to Optimus Prime, however, [[Air Raid (Movie)|Air Raid]] gave the alert of a [[Starscream (Movie)|Decepticon]] approaching and took off, while on the move he deployed some jets to take care of Starscream so he could escape, although Starscream was fast enough to catch up with him again, Stratosphere was powerless against him and deployed the [[Aerialbot (ROTF)|Aerialbots]] to fend him off, but once again Starscream shot all of them down and kept attacking Stratosphere.

Stratosphere was furious and engaged his [[Stealth Force]] to finish off Starscream for good, Starscream was unimpressed by his weaponry, saying that he also had tricks on his own and used his guided missiles to destroy Stratosphere's engines, he then got inside him and captured some MechTech guns, while using the remaining ones to destroy Stratosphere from the inside.
{{storylink|Dark of the Moon (Xbox 360/PS3)}}

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==Toys==
===Revenge of the Fallen===
[[Image:Stratosphere ROTF Voyager toy.jpg|thumb|right|300px|"What do you mean Powerglide is my sultan?"]]
*'''Stratosphere''' (Voyager, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-17'''
**''Accessories'': [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] mini-figure.

:Stratosphere transforms into a military transport plane which is an amalgamation of a C130-Hercules for the body, a [[United States Air Force#C-17 Globemaster III|C-17 Globemaster III]] for the wings, the cockpit of a [[Wikipedia:C-5 Galaxy|C-5 Galaxy]] and the tail of an [[Wikipedia:Antonov An-225|Antonov An-225]]. The little (transforming) Optimus Prime mini-figure fits into the cargo hold in the aft section of the plane, and can deploy from the ramp by rotating his tail fins.

:Sadly, Optimus cannot fit in the cargo hold while Stratosphere is in robot mode, so he must be gently held and cradled by Stratosphere like a tiny war machine.

:The packaging indicates that his moving internal gears (Mech Alive) feature is located at his chest, but it is in fact located in his arms.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/Stratosphere/stratosphere.htm More information on Stratosphere at TFU.info]''
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==Notes==
[[Image:ROTF_Stratosphere_missilelauncher.jpg|thumb|200px|Oh if only....]]
* Stratosphere was originally going to come with a [[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes#Space Shuttle Orbiter|Space Shuttle]] accessory that would have plugged into the hole between his plane-mode wings that would serve as his robot-mode weapon. Despite making it all the way to the [[Prototype|test shot phase]], this was ultimately removed from the final production piece.
* Stratosphere is based upon the same plane that dropped Optimus Prime to attack [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] in ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', but with liberties taken to differentiate it from the real thing to avoid the need to license the design.
* A NEST plane in the [[Unite for the Universe]] story "[[The Strongest Weapon]]" is drawn to look like Stratosphere (rather than the C-17 plane NEST usually uses in most fiction), but lacks Stratosphere's distinct colours and is never identified as being the Autobot.

[[Category:NEST]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen Autobots]]
[[Category:Dark of the Moon Autobots]]