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Talk:Unicron

2008-06-03T04:34:41Z

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==Greenycron==
In case people are wondering, that toy should really be under the "Mini-Con" entry, since the toy represents a Unicron doppelganger made up of countless Minis, not Unicron himself. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:59, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

== Rule Breaking Chaos Bringer?==

Looking at the entry it's kinda breaking the rule that the "Character Profile" section should not be continuity specific and should only contain continuity-neutral character/personality info. Unicron's here is most definately skeewed towards latter Armada era continuity and doesn't apply at all to his Movie/Cartoon self and story. Are we breaking the rule on him intentionally, or does it need fixing? [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 02:08, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
:The currently operative retconned storyline is that there is only one Unicron, who travels the dimensions of the multiverse. Armada Unicron = G1 Movie/Cartoon Unicron = Marvel Unicron = Dreamwave Unicron. They're all the same guy, regardless of continuity. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:19, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

:: I know that but I don't think it *CAN* work with G1 cartoon. Like it or not there is no Primus in that Continuity and Unicron is NOT a god, just a big machine built by Primacron. The retcon hits a brick wall and cannot function in the G1 toon without a lot of fanfic-ing. You can't apply the retcon to the Cartoon here without ignoring the *ACTUAL* continuity and stories of the Cartoon in favor of some extremely different, never told, complicated immaginary story. Since the purpose of the Wiki is to inform factually about characters and their history then, I think factually, we have to say the way things actually were. Now granted the retcon can work most everywhere else (though it's a huge obvious retcon many places) so maybe it should get priority, but I'm just saying the main character profile does not work for the Cartoon version unless you want to start making a whole lot of stuff up. [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 10:08, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

:::Hrm... I astuually kidna agree with Zac. Unicron got a new, huge backstory that was goignt o tie him into everything. "Dont' worry, we'll go back and explain hwo it all works." And then- they enver did. In fact, was the Unicron/Primus conenction witht he One ever actually used, anywhere OTHER than in a guidebook?
:::This entry needs to recognizse that... lapse. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:07, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

::::I'm not in the fan club, so I'm not up on how Unicron's backstory was dealt with in the Club Comic, but if it's been used anywhere that'd be the place I suspect. Something perhaps not directly related to this but interesting to note: Although it didn't mention The One or the multiverse, the Cybertron episode in which Primus woke up and transformed had Vector Prime descibe Primus thusly: "He who charted the universe when it was young. He who battled Unicron at the beginning of time." The charted the universe bit comes from the story with The One, right? But as I said, that's not directly related to that matter at hand.

::::At any rate, futher discussion on how this article should deal with Unicron's retconny-multiverality might best be put on hold a few days until folks currently at BotCon return to contribute to it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:21, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

:::I don't see a problem with applying the retcon to the G1 cartoon. Unicron, probably disembodied from his previous rampage in some other dimension, found his way into that universe and simply influenced Primacron in some way (how is unimportant) into building a body that he then inhabited. There is no *mention* of Primus anywhere, but that doesn't mean he doesn't exist. Probably the TFs didn't know he was there, or had long ago stopped believing he was real, and he was still asleep, so he never did anything himself. That's an explanation that requires very little gap-filling and allows the retcon to mesh perfectly with the cartoon.

:::On the other hand, Simon said at BotCon 06 that the IDW universe is probably not going to have Primus and Unicron in it, like, at all, which in my opinion *does* break the retcon. Or, retcons the retcon, if you prefer, such that those gods do not exist in every conceivable universe (or even every conceivable Transformers universe), but only in a bunch of them. He is intentionally writing a universe of which they are not a part, rather than simply writing a universe and not mentioning them. That, I think, will need to be dealt with. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 23:00, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

It should be mentioned that Primus WAS in fact retconned into G1 by the time the Beast Era came about, which was meant to be a continuation of the G1 story set in the distant future (until they hit that wormhole. damn space time anomolies). As far as Unicron's origin, it is true that Primus and Unicron were still not considered gods per se, but powerful ancient beings with energies beyond all comprehension. A LOT of retcon was incorperated in this era, and that includes Primus becoming a key figure in the creation of their kind. As early as Beast Wars, Unicron's backstory was heavily altered, following closer to the Marvel continuity, and essentially tying him into the one Unicron theory. While he can only exist in one universe at a time, he can move between space-times as easily as we move through air. His body may change, but his motives are always the same, and in some cases, he has brought information across from one continuity to another.
It is mentioned (albiet briefly) that Jetfire took the name Sky Shadow as an alias while disguised as a Decepticon. The only Sky Shadow (Decepticon) was from Beast Wars, another continuity all together. But what many do not realize is that during Energon, most of the cast came into contact with Unicron's dismembered body. Merely a theory, but he may have gotten the information from Unicron's data banks, which is a better explaination that blaming it on the wormhole ripping causality a new one. It should also be noted it's easier to link his many incarnations throughout the various comic book continuities than it is the cartoons, mainly because the comic writers do research the cartoonists don't. [[User:Dracokanji|Dracokanji]] 04:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

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nice article [[User:24.3.227.249|24.3.227.249]] 04:58, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

==Additional Pic==

[[Image:Unicron_tfu_cdrom.jpg|thumb]]

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== Planet Q ==
Planet Q was not consumed between Energon and Armada. Unicron was also put into stasis after Armada and remained that way. Alpha-Q's demise happened eons ago, right after Rodimus left Cybertron. It's confusing in the dub because it contradicts itself, but Super-Link has it spelled out correctly. Alpha-Q actually states he was lost in Unicron for "ages and ages, alone." which is what drove him to madness. The Energon dub never really explains what timeline all of this occurred and it seems the writers never really knew themselves. Another dub error is that Rodimus states Planet-Q put Unicron into stasis. This is not true, the story is exactly the opposite. Unicron survived just fine, hence why all the sparks from the planet were absorbed into his body as he carried on his world-ravaging. -Bodycount
:I figured it was like that...Unicron had layed 'dead' for the ten years between the two shows, and his attack on Planet Q had happened eons ago, before the events of Armada. [[User:Takeshi357|Takeshi357]] 00:45, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Unicron's a toughie. He has 30 zillion different conflicting stories and origins, but he's canonically all the same guy, and all of his appearances across the different continuities apparently happen in a sequential order. Which is a concept I love, but it's not so easy to reconcile detail-for-detail. [[User:ItsWalky]]

I have some nice pics of Unicron(inculding the battle dameged planet mode ala the Deathstar II, how do I upload them?[[User:X-BoB58]]

In the "toolbox" among the links on the left of your window is a link that says "upload file". Follow the instructions there. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:28, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Er Thanks, but I think I made the image a wee too big, is there anyway to make it a thumbnail?

We can get a better picture of Energon Unicron than that

I don't think we need so many similar pictures of Unicron in planet mode. I think the screenshot from the movie is enough, and the OTFCC Universe art is kinda pushing it. --ItsWalky

Unicron looks the exact same in the Armada comics and cartoon. One picture will do for both. X-Bob, stop pushing the image down into where there's no article yet. I put it where it is for a reason. --ItsWalky

Steve- feel free to muck with the Omega Point entry. I'm kinda considering going back and wiking the whole storyline-- it really needs some annotations. Maybe we can argue about the timeloops some more![[User:Derik]]

I feel that the Unicron trilogy (Micron trilogy in Japan) Generation section should be broken up between Dreamwave Continuity (the comics) and Animated Continuity (the TV shows.) I feel this way because a) The use of the phrase 'comics continuity' is too confusing when you have some comics liek Linkage and the Colelctor Club stuff in 'toon continuity. b) They should be by continuity, not by series because otherwise it just becoems too disjointed, and the contnections between the series are weak enough as it is. [[user:Derik]]

I agrea with Derik on this issiue [[user:X-BoB58]]

Why, int he TFU section, does it say Unicron was defeated by the Wreckers? I don't believe dhtere'd been any indications at all that Unicron had been connected to the Wreckers. (It's possible I suppose that this was an issue #4 revelation, but it was my impression that his appearances in TFU proceded from Tarantulus's machinations in Primaeval Dawn, not Wreckers.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:02, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Wreckers #4 would have told us that Cryotek's big plan was resurrecting Unicron. The Wreckers stop him before Unicron is fully restored, or blow him up and leave him half-there. That's where Universe picks up. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:32, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

: Since ''Wreckers'' #4 was never published, should that info even be in the article? Or shouldn't it at least be called out as apocryphal? Also, out of curiosity... how do you KNOW that's what would have happened? Did Glen say so at some point, or was there a script or artwork or something released online, or what...? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:18, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Were the Hasbro and Takara G1 Unicron protos different toys? I was under the impression they were two test-shots of the same mold.

:They're different moulds, I think, but based off the same basic proto, maybe. Takara's is noticably fatter, and has the cord coming from it. It also appears to have an open robot mode mouth, and the "moon" accessory (or perhaps this was a planet Unicron would electronically "eat," but IIRC early Unicronian concept art shows the moon, and all the Movie toys were based off earlier concept art, thusly...) What I'm getting at is that Takara's appears to be modified for electronics while the Hasbro proto has none. [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 07:50, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

:: The Hasbro version had electronice in the chest below the head, as shown in the toy's patent. I'd give a link, but I can't get to it with the Allspark boards down. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:15, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

:::For the record, the Takara mold's torso at least is entirely different from the Hasbro one. It's even got an extra step in the transformation wherein the torso either opens out or extends (hard to tell from available shots) to copy movie Unicron's thinner midsection.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 22:45, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

<nowiki>*spots Willis's notes about Universe #4*</nowiki> That's stupid. I mean, Primal Prime hints darkly of a great failure he had before emerging onto modern Cybertron in Qpelinq's journals. And Primaeval dawn has his fighting Tarantulas, a spawn of Unicron, who turns up in Uncron in TFU. I assuemd he failed to stop Tarry in PD and failed, thus TFU. Why is Unicron coming out of effectively nowhere in Wreckers to ruin our interesting Quint plot? And how does Tarantulas arrive? Laaame. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:36, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

== sweet ==

right on, glad my Unicron History page made this section, I've worked my hide off trying to get it together and am glad that it can help!
ErikB
www.transformersontheshelf.com

=="Respawning"?==

What's the background on the statements, "His power is limited to one reality at a time, though he can move between them at will," and, "When Unicron is destroyed in one reality, he will respawn in another, ready to eat again"? [[Primus]] is described in his own article like so: "His body is the planet Cybertron. Primus' lifeforce (aka the Allspark) is a multiversal singularity; it exists across all Transformers realities." This duality - a single mind/metaspark/godhead that's spread across multiple physical bodies - is how I've intuited the "one-Primus/one-Unicron" retcon. Since each universe has its own Cybertron, so likewise it seems each universe should have its own Unicron-body. Why would there be any difference? In fact, some evidence in favor of the multiple-Unibodies model is in the ''Cybertron'' section of this article: "During the final battle, Unicron disappeared from their reality underneath them, sucked away into the Unicron Singularity in another timestream." If Uni only exists in one reality at a time, then how could his destruction in one universe happen while he was existent in another? The only evidence I can think of otherwise is that Uni entered the Armada-comic universe from elsewhere. But to me, that just means that either his original body in the Armada-comic universe had been destroyed, or that the Armada-comic universe was an oddball one that never HAD a Primus or a Unicron (like the IDW-verse is apparently going to be). - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:11, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
:Unicron's consciousness wasn't present in Universe, just his body. He wasn't in two places, and his Minions were merely trying to resurrect him with eaten spark energy. (That story bit is also from the same story we got the "Only one Unicron who travels across the multiverse" information, so it's not like it's two conflicting stories.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:01, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
::What story is that from? I just re-read the ''Universe'' comics, and I don't remember any of that being stated. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:45, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Fun Publications' Cybertron comics from the fan club magazine. First arc. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:05, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

::::The Autobots should camp on Unicron's respawn point and frag his ass. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:21, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
::::Okay, I've re-read those comics now, and I think I can see where you're getting that notion from. But it seems exceedingly vague to me, and I couldn't find anything about "respawning." Basically it comes down to Ramjet's ravings in issue #3: "Bound always by his imprisonment in a physical body, he's been incapable of destroying more than one reality at a time. But Cybertron! Stable axis of the multiverse! One Cybertron, a multiplicity existing concurrently across the infinite realities! Destroy one aspect, and that reality soon crumbles. Cybertron persists, protected by the ordered mathematics of its own existence. A single, infinite curve across all realities; the only truly unique thing in all of creation. Unicron cannot destroy something that is everywhere without himself being everywhere, Prime. And at last, thanks to his new prison and its proximity to Cybertron, he has that chance!" [note: this is accompanied by visuals of a line of Cybertrons, all different, extending indefinitely]
::::That leaves me... unconvinced in the troublesomely literal retcon that this article conveys as truth. Consider that in the first issue, Vector Prime describes the multiverse: "Every movement sends out ripples, which spread out in concentric rings, interacting with ripples created by others, creating new patterns, new realities, branching possiblilities. Every moment is creation and destruction. Every action is a thrown stone, shattering the surface of time." This seems in keeping with the "branching realities" model that most TF multiversal fiction follows (such as the Marvel-comic Uni searching "possible futures" for a herald). But if Uni is literally confined to one reality at any given time, then he must be vanishing from timelines left and right. At every moment, tons of possibilities branch off from one another, and therefore Uni must spontaneously disappear from all but one of the various universes. That's just... stupid. It doesn't even make SENSE based on him being "imprisoned in a physical body." That body should keep existing in all the alternate universes, just like Earth and Cybertron and every OTHER physical body keep existing across the multiverse. Plus Ramjet's use of the term "infinite realities" would make Unicrons' job ultimately impossible. If he truly has to keep hopping from one universe to the next in a linear fashion, he'll never succeed. And yet he DID, once.
::::What makes more sense is that Ramjet's "one reality at a time" statement refers to how Uni has to attack each universe separately. Uni could conceivably assault two or more Cybertrons simultaneously, but that wouldn't result in the infinite-birds-with-one-stone chain reaction that feeding Cybertron to the black hole supposedly would.
::::Or, of course, Ramjet is just insane and doesn't know what he's talking about. Certainly he and Vector Prime have some metaphysical disagreements that they chat about while trying to kill each other.
::::The upshot here is that I think the "one reality at a time" idea should be presented either with more qualifiers or just in the "So-and-So's Story" section. Based on past experience, my analysis would probably be smacked down as "speculation." So, in order to keep the editors happy, I suggest putting Ramjet's notions - and possibly more - under attribution...ary headings. Strictly speaking, the only things that should go in the first few paragraphs are observed events and statements of omniscient narration. Ramjet is not an omniscient narrator. Does all this sound right? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:06, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::If Ramjet didn't know what he was talking about, then the entire fundamental conflict upon which that story was based was just a lie, and it was wasting our time, an idea I find appalling. Casting out a pretty deliberately stated backstory because it can be perceived as realistically improbable would start a dangerous precedent for the wiki, I think. Forest Lee created this story because he wanted to hash out the way the Unicron/Primus dynamic works and to forge the multiverse into a cohesive whole. I don't think it's the wiki's place to determine for Hasbro's fiction guy what he can and can't do. (Would it make you feel any better or worse that I confirmed my interpretation of the backstory with Dan Khanna, the co-plotter? This write-up wasn't just a shot in the dark.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:55, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Likewise, the Keeper's story was Furman's "truth" when he wrote it, and when he later revised it through the mouth of Primus himself, etc., etc. And I think the article handles those various "truths" perfectly by presenting them as "here's what so-and-so said." The more I think of it, the more it seems the ONLY appropriate thing is to add "Ramjet's Story" to the list. And, as for Khanna confirming the "respawning" thing (which I assume you're referring to), I think treating author intent as canon is ALSO a bad precedent. Author intent should be NOTED, but not presented as story-fact. Especially since the Unicron/Primus story will quite likely see MORE changes as time goes on. (Hell, the most recent ad for the DD Joe/TF crossover promises "the secret origin of Unicron" or some such.) - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:14, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::The Keeper's story was canon until something else retconned it. The same is true here. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:19, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::Granted I am not paying all that much attention, but, I think the current form of the article is okay. Jack's main concern, aside from disliking the current canonical explanation, seems to be that it's being presented more forcefully than the retconned explanations. But... I think that is valid, more or less for the reason Walky states here. The article is quite clear at the beginning of the "evolution" section that this is merely the most recent of many versions of the story. If/when it is invalidated, it can be moved. Under normal circumstances I would agree that different versions of a particular guy/story should be given equal footing, but since this "nature of Unicron" thing explicitly makes itself multiverse-spanning and overrides previous explanations, I think it should be given priority. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 05:06, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::My original concern was that I had no idea where the idea CAME from, and now that I've carefully re-read the story in question, I'm still iffy. After a straight reading, I came to a different conclusion than the author apparently intended (hence my long "this don't make no sense" rant up there). Walky claims to have inside knowledge of the author's intent, and I question how much weight that should be given. To put it another way, were the Vok canonically the Swarm before it was actually put into writing in ''Wreckers''? And, to broaden the question further, are the Vok canonically the Swarm when we're just talking about the BW 'toon? The idea of one series having "retcon power" over everything that came before it is a new one in how the fandom has always looked at TF canon. Since we've never had a George Lucas to dictate what is and isn't mainstream "truth," everything got to live in its own separate "parallel universe," and that was that. The advent of multiversal storylines in TF fiction does complicate things, and this issue is a good one for testing how exactly we deal with canon now. My take is still that the story is the only "truth," author intent is noteworthy but not "canon," and ultimately every series exists unto itself by its own rules. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 23:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Parts of this (the Geen 1 anime section) dont' seem very in-universe. -Derik18:34, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

== Name Origins? ==

Does anyone know from where the word Unicron came? Is it a Latin-type pun (uni = one; cron = time)? Or just an anagram of Unicorn? - [[User:NP Chilla|NP Chilla]] 22:05, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

== weirdness when printing page ==

I printed this article to read on my lunchhour, and the text blocks overlapped the pics in several areas, but it looks fine on-screen. I edited out some blank spots (thought maybe some random tabs or returns in there), and it looked better, but I saved and print previewed, and it's still showing up at 'Dark Essence' and 'Energon' sections. Anybody notice this before? Is it just my local print settings or something, or a legit problem? [[User:Evil-yuusha|Evil-yuusha]] 17:44, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

== Appearances?! ==

I would like to know the appearances of Unicron, chronilogically thoughout all mediums (shows, movies, comics, ect.)
: Take the 1986 movie and animated series appearances, put them at the front of the list, and then everything in the Fiction section files in order right after those. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:56, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

::That's pretty much the order in real world chronology yeah. If he was interested in the in-multiverse fictional chronology... well I'm not sure it's possible to chart that but it would apparently start with the Marvel comic and work out from there. Right? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 12:10, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Pretty much. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:41, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

== Cybertron Animated Continuity? ==
I understand the whole retcon'd storyline debate, but the [[Unicron#Cybertron|Cybertron]] portion of the Animated continuity section ([[Unicron#Cybertron|4.3.2.3]])seems to include zero storyline originating from the Cybertron television series. I feel there should be ''something'' from the show if we want to put this information under the heading "Animated Continuity." Maybe something like "Unicron's remains became a shiny new outfit for Megatron, allowing him to turn into some kinda nutty space-car..." etc. --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 18:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

==Minor question==
Uh, just found Unicron is in the "Category: Decepticon", is the reason that he is in the category because some of his toy labeled him as a Decepticon? Just ask for confirming. ;D --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 03:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
==Suicide?==
If Unicron's objective is to consume everything and rid the multiverse of it's existance, wouldn't he destroy HIMSELF after he was done?<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Void

2008-06-03T04:31:10Z

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Much like the "Things that don't exist" category, I think this page should be left blank on principle. -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 14:50, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I was going to link "Unicron" to his article, but, on the other hand, the fact that this page is on the "Dead-end pages" list is really kind of appropriate.
[[User:JW|JW]] 13:34, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

This is now a fucking awesome page. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:54, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks. Once the idea occurred to me, it was like... how could the page be anything else? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 02:07, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

::...Nevermind. This works better. -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 14:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh wow. This page is so informative. It has opened by eyes up to the world. --[[User:-Sledgehammer-|OMG SLEDGE]] 23:30, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I added more blank space... I think it's the longest page in the TF wikia now... and it's almost empty.

==Hey Interrobang==
Why do you delete a little bit of negative space every two months? Are you stealing it for your own nefarious purposes? Don't lie. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:50, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:I'm not sure how that happened. All I did was add a category. I did preview the page without the break tag to see what would happen, but I didn't delete the space. Honest, guv'. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:03, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
::It seems to be some weirdass function of the software. All I did was change one letter, and it removed a space without me touching it. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:07, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:::For every space removed from [[Void]], a character is added to [[Dead Universe]]. The Expansion is upon us!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 01:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

:::I told you not to lie, space-thief. Nevertheless, I see you've returned it, so things are set aright... for the moment. But believe me, I'll be keeping a close eye on conflated punctuation from now on. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 01:37, 3 January 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Void

2008-06-03T04:29:11Z

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[[Image:Siestacron.gif|center|I slumber...]]

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[[Category: Generation 1 locations]]
[[Category: Religion]]
[[Category: Unicron]]

Embrace... NOTHING!<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Fusion cannon

2008-06-03T03:09:25Z

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{{disambig3|Cannon}}

[[Image:MTMtE Part3 ExtinctiontoallTraitors.jpg|right|thumb|250px|A release of lubricant is quite common when seeing this.]]
The '''Fusion Cannon''' is [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s ultimate weapon. It is attached to his right arm and is devastatingly powerful, as demonstrated by its sudden removal of [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]]'s head. (It's at least as powerful as [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]'s [[Media:Fortmaxgiveshead.jpg|hands]], then.) It strikes fear into the [[spark]]s of both the [[Autobot]]s and the [[Decepticon]]s, for any who challenge it will surely fail.

Except [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. Only he appears to be able to survive a shot from the fusion cannon, considering how many times Megatron has shot Prime.

==Fiction==
===Generation 1===
====Marvel Comics====
Presumably, this cannon is powered by some sort of <strike>nukular</strike> nuclear fusion reaction. Sometimes Megatron has been able to link up extradimensionally to a black hole to augment this power, increasing it astronomically, and making him look real cool and [[Ripped Up Space|space-rippy]] in the process. Most bodacious!

[[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] had a big cannon, too, but it didn't work by fusion.

=====Generation 2=====
As part of an agreement with [[Cobra]], Megatron's body was rebuilt to resemble a human tank, with his fusion cannon being replaced with a magnetic rail gun.

====Generation 1 cartoon====
Megatron could remove his cannon from his main body. One time, [[Brawn]] stole it from him and used it against him. Megatron was not amused. {{storylink|Fire on the Mountain}}

Fusion cannons are also oddly useful when you just wanna kick [[Starscream (G1)|your lieutenant]] for shooting you in the back but don't want to have to walk over to him...yeah, we don't question that. {{storylink|More Than Meets the Eye, Part 3}}

====IDW====
The fusion cannon was a gift from Starscream {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 4}}. How ironic how Megatron decided to pay him back a few hundred thousand years later by blowing a huge hole in his torso {{storylink|Infiltration issue 6}}.

===Beast Wars===
*Megatron loved his fusion cannon so much, he had another fusion cannon installed on the ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]''. The blast radius from the weapon is massive. Most kickass. It requires a power up time to fire again. Less kickass. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 2}}

*Although not Megatron's, according to Beast Wars, the Ark's cannon ''was'' a fusion cannon. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part III)}}

===Beast Machines===
[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'s personal chariot, [[Mechatron]], comes equipped with a fusion cannon to nullify any accursed Maximal that comes across.

===Transformers (2007 Film)===
[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]'s cannon is presumably telescopic, as he keeps it stored in his left arm when not in use. Its powerful blast is enough to knock [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] back three city blocks and requires Megatron to use both arms to steady the aim. Because Megatron is always concerned about collateral damage. {{storylink|Transformers (2007)|Transformers}}

It is also mentioned on [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]'s packaging that he also has a fusion cannon, presumably it is the blue glowing laser weapon on his left arm, and it is obviosly much smaller than Megatron's.

===Animated===
[[Image:Mission Accomplished Starscream death 3.jpg|thumb|Given time, Starscream may simply develop an immunity to the cannon.]]
[[Megatron (Animated) |Megatron]]'s iconic cannon served admirably as a cutting torch when Megatron sought to gain access to the [[Autobot ship (Animated)|Autobots' ship]]. <ref>Use of sound-effects from the original cartoon only served to enhance the weapon's coolness.</ref> {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out!}}. After Megatron's revival his newly rebuilt fusion cannon proved even more effective against the Autobot ship, knocking it clean out of the sky in under a minute with some help from [[Lugnut]] and [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]]. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 2}} It was last seen repeatedly killing the newly-immortal [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]].

Notably Megatron has only fired four shots directly at the Autobots, missing each time, the writers are likely reluctant to have half the cast atomized in the space of five seconds.

==References==
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Talk:Nemesis (Animated)

2008-06-03T02:50:29Z

71.253.12.55:

Has this ACTUALLY been referred to as the ''Nemesis''? Given that the "Ark" article's finally been moved to [[Autobot ship (Animated)]], shouldn't this be correspondingly moved? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:50, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
:The reasons used to move "Ark" to "Autobot Ship" were pretty weak at the time--based off a poorly-written panel review that recorded what ONE guest said while ignoring what the OTHER ONE said, even though they were right next to each other and talking simultaneously arrrrghh--and in any event it has already been superceded by "Teletran-1." As for ''Nemesis'', according to script notes that is the name that will be used in the upcoming Animated comic. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 19:55, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeh, really, it may not ACTUALY be called the nemesis, it looks nearly identical and the Autobot ship was called the Ark somwhere, I think, not 100% on that but I think it was refered to as the Ark once.<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Bumblebee (Animated)

2008-06-03T02:33:18Z

71.253.12.55: /* Always Ready to Shred */

==Ummmmmm==

Hey, since the edits are disabled *Cough* just use a "Spoiler" bar *Cough* could somone improve the grammer and speeling on this page?
== Always Ready to Shred ==

"He has a faceplate, which he can pull on during battles...despite the fact that he maintains that he's a repair bot, and not programmed for combat."

It's a welder's mask! You know, for welding and stuff.

Okay, fine. But, you know, it ''could'' be.
--[[User:IMAGinES|IMAGinES]] 13:27, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
:It could also be a mask for errantly flung pies. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:37, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
:Maybe he's just shy... --[[User:Hepathos|Hepathos]] 17:49, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Reference for my update: '''<nowiki>[removed illegal link]</nowiki>'''
Thanks to the Allspark for obtaining and posting the scan.
--[[User:invisiblemoose|invisiblemoose]] 9:22, 3 December 2007 (NZ)

:Please see [[Help:Coming soon]]. Those toys aren't supposed to be released yet, so information gleamed from auctions of possibly-stolen copies of them should not be added to Teletraan I. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 21:03, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
::The same can be said for [[Prowl (Animated)]] when that was updated MONTHS ago. There was some reluctance, but it was updated anyway. --[[User:invisiblemoose|invisiblemoose]] 11:16, 3 December 2007 (NZ)
:::Okay, it's been undone again. So why this but now Prowl? --[[User:invisiblemoose|invisiblemoose]] 11:30, 3 December 2007

== Anti-Kibble? ==

Is there a word for things like Bumblebee's toy's fake car roof chest? Or [[Scourge (RID)]]'s fake truck window chest? Or Transmetal [[Megatron (BW)]]'s fake T-rex head chest? Where a Transformer's robot mode has obvious bits of its altmode on its chest or elsewhere, which are in fact ''not'' part of the toy's altmode? [[User:JW|JW]] 17:58, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:I call it elbbik. G2 Hero Optimus has the truck-chest too. And G1 Powermaster Prime/Ginrai. The Actiomasters are pretty much 100% elbbik. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 23:33, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

:"Is there a word for things like Bumblebee's toy's fake car roof chest?" -Animation accurate? {{unsigned|128.220.154.118|06:38, 29 April 2008}}

::Don't be a smartass. That's my job, and I take it very seriously :P - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 09:06, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

''"Though he has fake car roof kibble on his chest, it apparently works that way in the cartoon's transformation sequences too."'' Really? Could someone kindly direct me to an episode where this is clearly the case? [[User:JW|JW]] 14:25, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:[[Image:Bumblebeeanimatedtransformation.jpg|300px|thumb|All you gotta do is pay attention to this every time it shows up.]]
{{-}}
::Huh. Toy-accuracy can be a strange, dark mistress. I stand corrected. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:43, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

== Rocket Boosters ==

Have the rocket boosters even been seen in the show at all? {{unsigned|Proconix}}
: They featured very very very prominently in [[Nanosec]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:01, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
::And it appears that they'll be returing in [[Velocity]]...even though they were lost upon reentry. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 19:11, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

== Alt-mode references ==

While I'm not discounting the possibility, I need to contend the (now removed) assertion that BB's altmode was meant to be a Beetle with a Camaro hood. Earlier today, I happened to see a car that looked [http://www.smartusa.com very much like him]. If anyone else agrees, it might not be a bad idea to mention it.

--[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 22:14, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>