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Talk:Megatron (disambiguation)

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==Megaplex==
Since the Megaplex article covers both the MW and e-Hobby toys, should the disambig page have two separate links? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 13:11, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Ironic that Megaplex appears on this page, given that he exists for the ''sole purpose'' of being confused with Megatron. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 18:36, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

== Metatron ==

I think Metatron was included in the "should not be confused with" list was for humor. See, in that movie, Metatron was mistaken for Megatron. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 13:49, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
: A huge part of the problem is that whoever wrote it claimed that Metatron was a KEVIN SMITH CREATION. Which is really, really horrible and makes me weep for humanity. C'mon, people! Reminds me of all those times when Dinobot quoted Shakespeare, and fans would get irate at him for stealing lines from Captain Picard.
: Complete lack of knowledge of anything beyond Kevin Smith movies besides, we should not be putting joke entries into the disambig pages. Unless it's Quintessa. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:29, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:: Canon/Cannon's disambig has a nice joke too. The only other instance it really needs one. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 00:39, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== Archforce ==

Can an obscure G2 Decepticon get a name drop? --[[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 01:08, 8 February 2011 (EST)
* I'd second that! --[[User:Rattrapping|Rattrapping]] 19:43, 12 March 2011 (EST)
::Thirded and applied. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:11, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

== Megazarak ''is'' Megatron...? ==
I didn't want to just change this without raising it here first, but is it really kosher to say that Megazarak is '''"an alternate universe's version of Megatron from ''Universe''"'''....? I mean, on a meta level yes, obviously he is, but is there any actual canon basis to verify this claim that he's specifically an alternate ''Megatron'' as opposed to an alternate Zarak, Scorponok or indeed simply a generic alternate-dimension Decepticon leader? It seems especially suss considering that nothing in his actual page-entry currently indicates any diegetic status as an alternate Megs. [[User:Rattrapping|Rattrapping]] 20:02, 12 March 2011 (EST)
:The only thing on [[Megazarak (Universe)|Megazarak's page]] that suggests such a thing is that 3H had originally intended him to be Megatron before Hasbro put the kibosh on it. But that doesn't actually justify the claim in question, and no one has presented any other evidence in the month since you brought this up, so I'm changing the note. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:08, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
::[Alt2day.com] (which doesn't seem to be up anymore, but the annotations still exist) states that Megazarak is from Primax cluster, so at least we know that much about him. Sort of. Not really. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:34, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
:::[http://alt2day.dyndns.org/ alt2day.com] archive. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:03, 14 August 2011 (EDT)

== Power Core Combiners Decepticon ==

[[Sledge (PCC)|Sledge]]'s bio makes one of these Megatrons a [[:Category:Power Core Combiners Decepticons|Power Core Combiners Decepticon]]. Or none of these Megatrons. Or any of these Megatrons. Or whatever. Unless people think it is a bad idea, I was going to put this page in the [[:Category:Power Core Combiners Decepticons|"Power Core Combiners Decepticons" category]]
with a note explaining the situation. I thought that would be better than making a "Megatron (PCC)" page. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:21, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
: Bad idea. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:47, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
::Agreed. I get what you're saying, Starfield, but this feels like a tip-of-the-iceberg situation. This certainly isn't the only ambiguous reference in the fiction (off the top of my head, I know that [http://www.botcon.com/images/BetaMaxxProfile.pdf Beta Maxx's profile] mentions an indeterminate Shockwave), and I'm wary of the ripple effects of such elements spreading too wide. I think it would be enough if we treated "PCC Megatron" the same way we treat that Shockwave: mention him by name on Sledge's page and link from there to the disambig. Plus since we DO have [[Power Core Combiners#Place in continuity|a place to talk about PCC continuity]], it might be worth mentioning him there too. Mayyyyyybe even put a note about him somewhere on [[:Category:Power Core Combiners Decepticons]]... but this page feels like a step too far. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:08, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
:::It seems like [[:Category:Power Core Combiners Decepticons]] would be incomplete without "Megatron" in there somewhere. And I guess [[:Category:Timelines characters]] without "Shockwave." If putting the (disambiguation) page in the category is to weird, is "Megatron (PCC)" a no-go, too? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:25, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
::::Never mind that sounds like a bad idea too. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:58, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
:::::Yeah, if PCC were a more closed-off continuity, there'd be more of a call for this, but the fact that PCC has definitely bled into the Movieverse and has a loose connection to G1 makes this whole exercise dubious. Like I said, we already have less impactful channels available to document it. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:11, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

== Main pic. ==

I found [http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2366/2077872066_270bdf70cd_z.jpg this]. I thought it would make a great main pic for this article.{{unsigned|173.13.112.253}}
: Get a version not taken on a mattress in front of some drapes, maybe. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:56, 5 January 2012 (EST)
::It'd also help if there weren't a teeny Deathsaurus and a custom in the pic, too. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:00, 5 January 2012 (EST)
:When you get banned, it typically means we don't want you at all, Noob sabiot red. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:37, 5 January 2012 (EST)
::Well I found [http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/106/manymegslv3.jpg/ this]. It's a similar one to the one of Optimus Prime's disambiguation page. Sorry for coming back, I just found this pic, and thought it would be a better pic.

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== Dross ==

''"The extent of what I can gather from Google translate."'' 
Google-translating what, exactly? I see brief mentions of it in the J-Wiki article for ''BWII'' (specifically, in the paragraphs on BigMos and Autostinger), but if you found some other source, I can take a look at it and see if there's anything else to be gleaned.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:47, 4 August 2011 (EDT)
:[http://xeel.aikotoba.jp/storage/bw2/bw2n01.html#インセクトロン]. Many thanks! Can you also glean anything about Planet [[Trius]] (トリアス) from that same site? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:07, 4 August 2011 (EDT)
::Okay, that took less time than I thought once I looked at the page.

::Dross is mentioned all of once. During the Dross Crusades, Autostinger saved Bigmos's life.

::Trius comes up twice in the Jointron entry. The Jointrons went out into space to protect Trius on orders from Autobot HQ, but en route, their ship broke down (possibly owing to a problem with their helmsmanship), and they reluctantly crash-landed on Gaia. The summary also notes this may have left Trius more peaceful than if they'd gone there, but doesn't mention it otherwise.
:::Whoo, thanks. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:31, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

== Blind as a bat in battle ==

I can't check the episodes to figure out which right now, but I ''know'' that the Metrodome subs also used this translation in, like, ''one'' instance, late in the series, which would suggest to me that for that one time at least, that's actually what he was saying. I wonder if Shout have extrapolated backwards and used it for all the instances of nonsense-speak in the name of consistency. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:14, 4 August 2011 (EDT)
:Interesting. I'll see if I can get the Metrodome version to check, or see if the TV-Nihon translation has that. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:18, 4 August 2011 (EDT)
::Doing a quick YouTube check (just before bed!), I can say that he actually ''does'' say "Komori" as part of his chant, and that's a word that I ''do'' know the meaning of. So... maybe that IS what he's always saying. (The two TV Nihon episodes I've just sampled don't translate it.) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:20, 4 August 2011 (EDT)
:::Hrm, then I guess I'll comment out those points for the time being, at least till we get a Japanese speaker to confirm. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:25, 4 August 2011 (EDT)

== Almanac stuff ==
Dude, you are a tireless workhorse and I salute your efforts. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 23:50, 9 August 2011 (EDT)
:Thanks! All of those blank sections and red links were annoying me so much that I finally just brought the thing after putting it off for so long. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:54, 9 August 2011 (EDT)
::Any idea which of those planet pages is article 14.000? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 05:43, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
:::[[Giedi Prime]], I think. I aimed for that because it was Sorenson's screen name. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 05:45, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
::::Works for me! And thanks for dealing with all these TAAII planets. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 05:48, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
:::::I must also give you praise for all your work, since you saved ''me'' from having to do it. Also, I think the "dim. research" note on [[Skriixos V]] doesn't actually mean dim but is short for "dimensional research", referencing the Skriix and their being from another dimension. --[[User:Apoc|Apoc]] 06:58, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
::::::Should all those planets from external properties (Gor, etc) be in the External Properties category? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 07:30, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Now that I think about it, yeah. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 07:32, 10 August 2011 (EDT)

That said, are you SURE that all the throw-away companies that are just a name and a number need pages? They were just thrown in there as a joke and to make people in-the-know smile.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:57, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
:Uh, yeah. Really, I think that's all best folded into the ASAII reference pages. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:08, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
::This is the chaos you have wrought, Jim! (Really, though, I don't see how it's that different from the 100+ "throw-away" planets and it's not like having those articles impede anything. I also think it's neat to learn that those companies exist in Transformers fiction somewhere.) [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:10, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
:::Ah, well, a planet that ONLY showed up on that map, and nowhere else in fiction, might not deserve its own page either, now that you mention it. Maybe with an exception for planets that have some other connection to the fiction, like [[Yautja]] since we already have a page for the [[Predator (alien)|Predator]].--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 14:16, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
:::At most I think they'd deserve a redirect page with a "Companies" and "Planets" Categories so they show UP in said Categories, but they should redirect to the ASAII reference section. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:17, 11 August 2011 (EDT)

Hehehehe... I just did something nice for you that you won't find out about for a few months... hehehe... --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 23:21, 19 August 2011 (EDT)
:Aw, you made my day. Looking forward to whatever you have planning. :D [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:11, 20 August 2011 (EDT)
::Did you spot it?--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 10:16, 19 November 2011 (EST)
:::Heh, under Cheetor's vehicle mode, right? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:24, 19 November 2011 (EST)
::::Bingo. Thanks for all your hard work.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 10:26, 19 November 2011 (EST)
:::::Aw, it isn't anything, but you're welcome. Thanks for the shout out! [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:29, 19 November 2011 (EST)

==Great Dome==
Does the Shout! Factory edition of "Four Warriors Come out of the Sky" name the Autobot base on Cybertron "Autobot Base" or "Iacon"? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 01:59, 22 August 2011 (EDT)
:The subtitle for the place name? "Autobot Headquarters". [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:10, 22 August 2011 (EDT)
::Yep, that one. Thanks! [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:14, 22 August 2011 (EDT)

==AAII==
Are you sure you have not misspelled "Emirate 'Xarron' Spacebridge Nexus" and "Zetca-" (the latter over at "Serpentor") and could you improve "Quartex (region)"? It's an ugly and confusing page right now. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 03:28, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
:Those are spelled as such in the AAII. I'll go off and fix Quartex. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:33, 23 August 2011 (EDT)

== My apology. ==

I apologize for attempting to be a part of this wiki community and attempting to add my meager contribution.

Shall log off for the last time shortly.

[[User:Prime Dood477|Prime Dood477]] 07:28, 27 August 2011 (EDT)

==Micron Densetsu titles==
You realize there are English parts of the Japanese episode titles for the series, right? All of which are lower case, and not all of which line up with the actual dub titles?

[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/MicronDensetsuTitle.jpg Example]

--[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 11:08, 31 August 2011 (EDT)
:The only one that doesn't match (aside from parsing variations) is "First Encounter". That aside, they're only providing the English titles to a Japanese audience; I don't consider them part of the actual Japanese title and the Japanese sources I've seen don't. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:32, 31 August 2011 (EDT)

==Japanese Beast Era screencaps==
We have a lot of BWII and BWN screencaps of which the episode is unknown. Since you are sorting out the Japanese BE stuff, do you think you could get them properly sourced? Most are currently in the "Hastak images" category, but I could get them to the "images from unknown sources" category to save you the time finding them in the other category. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:43, 9 September 2011 (EDT)
:Sure, I'll see what I can identify. Toss them into unknown sources or list them here. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:51, 9 September 2011 (EDT)

==Manga question==
I want to write an article for the ''Go-Bots'' manga later today and I have two questions. The stories are all very simple and can often be described in one or two sentences. Yet, there's a lot of stories. Should I put up a a page for each one or put them all in one article? Also, the manga issues aren't numbered and some appear to have been released at the same time. Should I order them alphabetically or would there be a better option? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:56, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:My gut instinct would be to give an article to every installment; it's easier to give space for featured characters and the infobox that way, instead of clumping them all into one page. Also easier to storylink. In regards to order, I think release date and then alphabetical is fine, if they have no other identifying marks. Were the toys numbered? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:03, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::Seems they were according to the Go-Bots fansite. Ordering by those numbers seems a much better idea, so I'll go with that. Thanks. Oh, and perhaps to prevent pages being put up on the wrong "title", what do you think of translating "かつやく" as "service"? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 03:13, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::I need to know the context of the word before I can give any suggestions. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:21, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, they're on the fansite. Yeah, "service" seems the most appropriate. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:27, 22 September 2011 (EDT)

== Beast manga ==

So do you have access to the Beast Wars II and Neo manga? Because that's the sort of thing I'd be interested in! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:07, 22 September 2011 (EDT)

:Yes. I'm planning to scan it. It will probably come out bad, but we'll see. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 12:28, 22 September 2011 (EDT)

::<nowiki>*</nowiki>flails arms* Whence did you acquire such a thing? What of Beast Wars Metals? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:38, 22 September 2011 (EDT)

:::I bought the collected volumes from some guy in Japan on eBay. They were pretty expensive, but eh. Unfortunately, BWM wasn't collected, so if I want it, I have to hunt down the individual Comic Bom Bom issues, which won't be easy. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 12:40, 22 September 2011 (EDT)

::::Oh, I think I saw them on eBay at one point and thought about them myself! Good on yer! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:43, 22 September 2011 (EDT)

:Hello, I'd like to thanks for those ''Beast Wars'' manga as they are much more useful than my memory! ;-D --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 15:07, 25 September 2011 (EDT)
::You're welcome! [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:08, 25 September 2011 (EDT)

==Double the pages==
[[Deep space receiving tower|Mine from March.]] Choose which one to keep you may. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 01:10, 4 October 2011 (EDT)

== Dubbing vs localization ==

All the recent episodes have that because they were all added by the same newbie anon. It's a foreign dub, I checked it. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:52, 11 October 2011 (EDT)
:Yes, but he was following precedent set elsewhere. "Localization" is used because not all foreign versions are dubs, like the sub-only English releases of Japanese series. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:49, 11 October 2011 (EDT)
::So do we use "localization" as the new standard now? Or is this a case by case basis? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:25, 11 October 2011 (EDT)
:::It's certainly easier having a consistent "Foreign localization" section. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:44, 11 October 2011 (EDT)
::::I'll keep that in mind next time I tackle one of those, thanks! --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:46, 11 October 2011 (EDT)

== Bot ==

Bot to fix redirects is working again. 
This took 5 hours. (Apparently we added more login security in response to Assaulthead.) 
...I assume you wish to queue some up. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:26, 20 October 2011 (EDT)
:Hurm. Well, there's a lot. All of the "Transformers: " moves, for instance. [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Log/move] If you want me to compile a more specific list, let me know. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:34, 20 October 2011 (EDT)
::It's been down for over a year. Should I just set it on whatever has the most redirects? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:24, 20 October 2011 (EDT)
:::Sure, I guess. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:25, 20 October 2011 (EDT)
::::Hrm. Apparently the redirects page doesn't list them by how many links there are to a redirect.
::::Anyway, I've got about 1,100 linkfixes queued up. (As always, it won't deign to do all of them.) This should take about 24 hours for the 'bot to chew through. I figure you can '''redirect''' me after that's done. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:48, 20 October 2011 (EDT)
:::::I've got ~3000 redirect-changes queued up RE: the list you left on my talk page.
:::::One thing the 'bot DOESN'T do is fix links passed as parameters in templates. This didn't USED to be a big deal, but TFWiki.net has seriously increased its usage of templates in the last 2 years or so. I'm going ot take a whack at it tonight and see if I can make it do this.
:::::(The concern is that if a non-link value in a complex template, e.g. 'idw' were the same as a link being fixed, it could screw things up. But we've kept such template values decapitalized and all of these links are capitalized, so I'm hopeful this can be done without mangling pages.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:37, 30 October 2011 (EDT)

== Wholesale removing shit again. ==

Is this actually something that was decided upon in some talk page somewhere, or are you merely being yourself again? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:25, 26 October 2011 (EDT)
:Sorry to upset you with the removal of a redundant template from ten or so lists? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:50, 28 October 2011 (EDT)
::Well, yes, those tags WERE redundant, but only after you created new sections that meant the same thing as the tags you were removing. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:13, 30 October 2011 (EDT)
:::There were plenty of "Cancelled" sections already on some pages, though. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 12:20, 30 October 2011 (EDT)

== SG Side Burn photo ==

I made you do that, didn't I? --[[Special:Contributions/218.208.97.226|218.208.97.226]] 15:42, 1 November 2011 (EDT)
:...Maybe. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:43, 1 November 2011 (EDT)

==Deathbringer==
Since you're on an IDW kick, can you separate out the IDW Deathbringer from the Marvel one? They've never struck me as having any similarities beyond sharing a name, but I don't own all of ''Devastation''. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 02:22, 13 December 2011 (EST)
:Now that you bring it up, I agree. Spotlight: Sixshot has a pretty specific description of IDW Deathbringer ("bio-mech bred for combat in the harshest of environments") that doesn't line up with Marvel Deathbringer. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:26, 13 December 2011 (EST)
::Hrm. Now that I think about it, does the Deathbringer of Cybertronian myth warrant its own page as well, a la [[Megatron (myth)|Megatron]]? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 03:24, 13 December 2011 (EST)
:::I don't really agree with the existence of Megatron (myth), since it's obviously a prescient reference to BW Megatron. Ditto for myth Deathbringer. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:54, 13 December 2011 (EST)
::::Would you say Megatron (myth) should probably be merged with Megatronus? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:33, 16 December 2011 (EST)
:::::I'm of the opinion that it referred specifically to Megatron (BW). Megatron naming himself after himself was the joke. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:37, 16 December 2011 (EST)

== All Roads Lead to Skynet ==

I have become convinced you are not human, but instead a Sufficiently Advanced Artificial Intelligence who is now spidering Transformers lore and cross-indexing it like Google for some as-yet-unknown sinister reason.

Good work. -Derik 03:37, 16 December 2011 (EST)

== An important question ==

If I create multiple accounts here, will I be considered a sockpuppeteer? Wikipedia did that to me. I created 26 accounts and each one I created with the best intensitions. Which was to start off clean. Never works. Here, on the other hand, despite the fact we think alike about Transformers, if I create a 1,000 accounts, is that something you bother taking care of. Or an editor can be forgiven here. Now I swear that I won't make the same mistake here, because I don't want to make this bigget, I'm just wondering. Is there a such thing as sockpuppets on this wiki?[[User:Noob saibot red|Noob saibot red]] 00:28, 24 December 2011 (EST)
: You are only allowed one account. There is no possible reason to have more than one account. wtf --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:48, 24 December 2011 (EST)
:: But if I create more than one account, will I be a sockpuppeteer? Are there sockpuppeteers here anyway?[[User:Noob saibot red|Noob saibot red]] 10:26, 24 December 2011 (EST)
::: Yes, there have been several notable cases in the history of this wiki where users have used sockpuppet accounts in order to vandalize pages or attack other users. One small example: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Admiral_Kreemzeeks_Personal_Battleship. In case you haven't read this: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers_Wiki:Policies#Multiple_user_names --[[User:AutoUIMagnus299|Autu299]] 14:11, 24 December 2011 (EST)
::::Is it ok to rename my account?[[User:Noob saibot red|Noob saibot red]] 15:18, 24 December 2011 (EST)
:::::I don't know, but I posted the question on the Community portal. --[[User:AutoUIMagnus299|Autu299]] 17:00, 24 December 2011 (EST)

== I am sorry! ==

{{Note|Could you please read the thing I said before removing it? The people at Wikipedia had a bad habit of doing that. Some people here also don't give me a good reason, other than you. You are the only one I can trust to answer this question.}}
I know that on Wikipedia, I've done such things, threats, fake ids, and so on. I've created several accounts. There however. I had no intentions to do such things here. To tell you the truth, something I would never tell a Wikipedian is, that believe it or not, I actually was addicted to the internet, to Wikipedia speciffically. Why? I just was. For some reason I liked editing their articles. However, in the last few months and now I have no intrest in editing Wikipedia at all. I want to edit your website, but I am not who I used to be on Wikipedia. Believe it, don't believe it, that's your problem. But I will leave if I have to, I am no longer addicted. I have said this before. But now I swear to God, and I don't like to, that I am telling nothing but the truth.

So my question is, why did I get blocked here in the first place?

I will leave, all I want is a reason. Not LEAVE NOW! or something like that. I need to know what I did. If you answer my question, I will accept it and leave. If I come back you can ban me indefinety. If I come back. That does not include re-answering you. Please.[[Special:Contributions/71.255.168.12|71.255.168.12]] 17:41, 5 January 2012 (EST)

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== ''Transformers'' Gold Bumblebee ==

So what do you think? Is "[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Gold Bumblebee]]" really "Goldbug" under a different name? Should the toy be included here? Just throwing the idea out there. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:09, 30 October 2010 (EDT)
:I would think his name being "Gold Bumblebee" would preclude him from being a character who isn't Bumblebee. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:35, 30 October 2010 (EDT)
::Good point. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:26, 31 October 2010 (EDT)
:::I think we should add that toy anyway since it's supposed to be Goldbug and judging from the name Hasbro gave it, I don't see a toy named Goldbug anytime soon.-[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 17:49, 1 December 2010 (EST)
::::If that toy represents any "Goldbug" it is "Goldbug who used to be Bumblebee" while this page is "Goldbug who was never Bumblebee". That seems like reason enough to keep it off this page (and on Bumblebee's), but then again that same reason didn't suffice for the original Goldbug toy (see below). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:51, 1 December 2010 (EST)

== Guys, guys..... ==

Can we ''please'' remove the toy? He has never appeared in that form, EVER. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:25, 31 October 2010 (EDT)
:That would give the impression that IDW made him up. It would fail to acknowledge the link between IDW Goldbug and his G1 Throttlebot origins. The IDW story involves the Throttlebots which were a subgroup of Autobots with the same gimmick. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:35, 31 October 2010 (EDT)
::I'm with Blackout on this one. That toy does not match the representation of the character in any of his appearances. A simple note (like the one that was removed earlier today) would cover the connection. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:45, 31 October 2010 (EDT)
:::We already went over this a year ago, and it seems it was decided the toy would stay. By this same logic, the other IDW Throttlebots should be split off into their own toy-free pages for not having appeared in Earth forms yet. Fact of the matter is, we've got a character in a G1 continuity named Goldbug who shares clear similarities with the G1 toy Goldbug. He's meant to represent that toy. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 17:48, 31 October 2010 (EDT)
::::The original toy is of a Goldbug who was Bumblebee, this is Goldbug who was never Bumblebee. The other Throttlebots are the same characters as their old toys. But apparently consensus is against me on this, so I won't press the issue. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:15, 31 October 2010 (EDT)
:This matter was dealt with already, as you can see in the miles of text above. Please do not bring it up again. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:52, 31 October 2010 (EDT)
:So why is the toy section disappearing? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:46, 15 January 2011 (EST)
::Because Blackout thinks he's the Judge Dredd of the Transformers wiki. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 12:47, 15 January 2011 (EST)
:::I was under the impression that toys were shown on the pages of the characters they were released as or of the characters they were officially repurposed as, which of these apply to this toy and this character? Or is there something I'm missing. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:33, 15 January 2011 (EST)
::::I've got an idea. There are two archive pages full of this shit, linked above. Read them. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:37, 15 January 2011 (EST)
:::::I have. The conclusion still makes no sense. This seems like putting the original Optimus Prime toy on every OP page because they were all inspired by the original.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:42, 15 January 2011 (EST)
::::::No, it would be like putting the original Optimus Prime toy on every ''Generation 1'' Optimus Prime page. In Optimus Prime's case, there is only one Generation 1 Optimus Prime page. In Goldbug's case, there are two Generation 1 Goldbug pages. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:11, 15 January 2011 (EST)
:::::::But they are still different characters. When was that toy released or repurposed as this character? The note would seem to be sufficient.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:26, 15 January 2011 (EST)
::::::::He is a Generation 1 character named Goldbug. He wouldn't even EXIST without this toy. Ergo, it's worth putting on his page. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 14:33, 15 January 2011 (EST)
:::::::::How does that make this situation any different than any other homage character? It may be worth mentioning, but how does that mean that that toy is this character and not just an inspiration? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:51, 15 January 2011 (EST)
::::::::::There's dozens, if not hundreds of characters with personalities and backstories that are distinctly different from their tech specs or appearances in prior continuities, and they aren't split out. Sunbow Ratbat and Marvel Ratbat effectively have nothing in common but their names and the toy they were based on, but they're treated as the same character. Every argument in favor of taking the toy info off this page has a mountain of counter-examples showing why that goes against standard policy. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 14:59, 15 January 2011 (EST)
:::::::::::They are treated as the same characters because they are the same character. The toy is the preexisting character Goldbug-who-was-Bumblebee, this is the new character Goldbug-who-was-never-Bumblebee. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:09, 15 January 2011 (EST)
::::::::As long as the IDW is considered to be "G1" by the wiki, they are ''not'' different characters. They just have different backstories. Like G1 Cyclonus or G1 Micromasters. This would all be much less confusing to people if there was one G1 Goldbug page, with notes on Bumblebee's page "Note: for events that happened while Bumblebee was a Throttlebot named Goldbug, see 'Goldbug (G1)'" - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:35, 15 January 2011 (EST)
:::::::::''Yes, they are different characters.''
:::::::::G1 Goldbug is Bumblebee. It is a fundamental part of his character. IDW Goldbug is not Bumblebee. There, different guys. --[[Special:Contributions/84.193.193.10|84.193.193.10]] 08:39, 19 January 2011 (EST)
:::::::::: Then would we have to make a seperate page for cartoon Shockwave and remove his toys because seeking to replace megatron is a fundamental part of his character? Should we make a separate page for IDW Galvatron and remove all his toys because formerly being Megatron is a fundamental part of his character?[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 09:28, 19 January 2011 (EST)
:::::::::::1. No. Cartoon Shockwave is clearly the same guy as all the other G1 Shockwaves and he only has a different personality because of a mistake.
:::::::::::2. IDW Galvatron is actually a bit of a grey area. We debated that some time ago but got nowhere. --[[Special:Contributions/84.193.193.10|84.193.193.10]] 10:08, 19 January 2011 (EST)

== Are you sure? ==

I know that Goldbug having a Cybertronian altmode makes him seem like a seperate character, but he appears in a story that does not include Bumblebee. You have a great point, but I was just wondering if at any point in the story, does it say that Goldbug was never Bumblebee.[[Special:Contributions/71.255.168.12|71.255.168.12]] 21:21, 4 January 2012 (EST)