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Talk:Toxicity

2012-07-01T05:58:14Z

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==Insecticon sentience==

It seems that Hardshell is not the only Insecticon to have a name... which makes me wonder, can we consider the Insecticons to be sentient beings or not? (it's important because that'd make them have certain rights such as freedom and stuff) [[User:Rayqui|Rayqui]] 04:42, 28 May 2012 (EDT)
:I definitely do not agree that Hardshell is talking to someone named "Scurrydown". It sounds like "Stay down" to me, but almost any phrase with "---- down" there makes more sense than fabricating a name for a generic nonentity. -[[User:LV|LV]] 02:29, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
::Yeah, I think this is probably something we ought to wait for more concrete evidence on. Also, re the original question, I kinda assumed they were sentient when they all spoke at the end of Armada. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:54, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

== Ep. 42 ==

They still have not revealed what next week's episode os going to be about?[[Special:Contributions/71.255.161.201|71.255.161.201]] 22:48, 28 May 2012 (EDT)
:Next weekend's episode is a repeat of Orion Pax 1. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:58, 28 May 2012 (EDT)
::This is the last episode of season 2?[[Special:Contributions/71.255.161.201|71.255.161.201]] 15:53, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
:::More likely they're having a mid-season break and the rest of season 2 will play in a few months. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:37, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
:Maybe it's because of this Kijudo show replacing it next Saturday.[[Special:Contributions/173.13.112.253|173.13.112.253]] 08:55, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

== Lord of the Rings? ==

Think we should mention anything about the fact that this episode is similar in plot to the Lord of the Rings books/films?
I mean think about it: finding/recieving an object of doom if the enemy takes it, dropping it into a volcano, with one of the characters being knocked into a lava pit with said object of doom, while the main character gets injured by said enemy.
--[[Special:Contributions/94.171.163.95|94.171.163.95]] 06:06, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
: I think we should mention something about the fact that this episode is similar to ''Joe Versus the Volcano.'' --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:45, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
::This episode is an homage to World 1-4 of the original Super Mario Bros. -[[User:LV|LV]] 02:18, 30 May 2012 (EDT)

==Discrepancies with Triage==
I could be wrong about this, but it seems to me that there was a discrepancy between this episode and Triage concerning Bulkheads return through the Ground Bridge. 
In Triage, right before Bulkhead returns, I seem to remember Ratchet was all giddy, talking up a storm, and ready to brag to Bulkhead as he comes through the Bridge. He then turns around and is aghast to see Bulkhead's smoking back side. 
In this episode, Ratchet being all giddy, talking to Raf until he realizes something bad is going on and then waits in silence for Bulkhead to come through. He then gasps, "Oh No" as Bulkhead comes flying trough the bridge. [[User:Sarpiedon|Sarpiedon]] 12:16, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

== Toxicity part 2? ==

When is the next episode coming out? It's taking forever.[[Special:Contributions/71.255.174.119|71.255.174.119]] 22:38, 30 June 2012 (EDT)
:If we knew, it would already be added. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:51, 30 June 2012 (EDT)

The last time this happened how long was it?[[Special:Contributions/71.255.174.119|71.255.174.119]] 01:56, 1 July 2012 (EDT)

Were not gonna have to wait 15 weeks are we? They can not afford to do stupid shit like this?[[Special:Contributions/71.255.174.119|71.255.174.119]] 01:57, 1 July 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Toxicity

2012-07-01T05:57:38Z

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==Insecticon sentience==

It seems that Hardshell is not the only Insecticon to have a name... which makes me wonder, can we consider the Insecticons to be sentient beings or not? (it's important because that'd make them have certain rights such as freedom and stuff) [[User:Rayqui|Rayqui]] 04:42, 28 May 2012 (EDT)
:I definitely do not agree that Hardshell is talking to someone named "Scurrydown". It sounds like "Stay down" to me, but almost any phrase with "---- down" there makes more sense than fabricating a name for a generic nonentity. -[[User:LV|LV]] 02:29, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
::Yeah, I think this is probably something we ought to wait for more concrete evidence on. Also, re the original question, I kinda assumed they were sentient when they all spoke at the end of Armada. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:54, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

== Ep. 42 ==

They still have not revealed what next week's episode os going to be about?[[Special:Contributions/71.255.161.201|71.255.161.201]] 22:48, 28 May 2012 (EDT)
:Next weekend's episode is a repeat of Orion Pax 1. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:58, 28 May 2012 (EDT)
::This is the last episode of season 2?[[Special:Contributions/71.255.161.201|71.255.161.201]] 15:53, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
:::More likely they're having a mid-season break and the rest of season 2 will play in a few months. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:37, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
:Maybe it's because of this Kijudo show replacing it next Saturday.[[Special:Contributions/173.13.112.253|173.13.112.253]] 08:55, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

== Lord of the Rings? ==

Think we should mention anything about the fact that this episode is similar in plot to the Lord of the Rings books/films?
I mean think about it: finding/recieving an object of doom if the enemy takes it, dropping it into a volcano, with one of the characters being knocked into a lava pit with said object of doom, while the main character gets injured by said enemy.
--[[Special:Contributions/94.171.163.95|94.171.163.95]] 06:06, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
: I think we should mention something about the fact that this episode is similar to ''Joe Versus the Volcano.'' --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:45, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
::This episode is an homage to World 1-4 of the original Super Mario Bros. -[[User:LV|LV]] 02:18, 30 May 2012 (EDT)

==Discrepancies with Triage==
I could be wrong about this, but it seems to me that there was a discrepancy between this episode and Triage concerning Bulkheads return through the Ground Bridge. 
In Triage, right before Bulkhead returns, I seem to remember Ratchet was all giddy, talking up a storm, and ready to brag to Bulkhead as he comes through the Bridge. He then turns around and is aghast to see Bulkhead's smoking back side. 
In this episode, Ratchet being all giddy, talking to Raf until he realizes something bad is going on and then waits in silence for Bulkhead to come through. He then gasps, "Oh No" as Bulkhead comes flying trough the bridge. [[User:Sarpiedon|Sarpiedon]] 12:16, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

== Toxicity part 2? ==

When is the next episode coming out? It's taking forever.[[Special:Contributions/71.255.174.119|71.255.174.119]] 22:38, 30 June 2012 (EDT)
:If we knew, it would already be added. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:51, 30 June 2012 (EDT)

The last time this happened how long was it?[[Special:Contributions/71.255.174.119|71.255.174.119]] 01:56, 1 July 2012 (EDT)

Were not gonna have to wait 15 weeks are we? They can not afford to do stupide shit like this?[[Special:Contributions/71.255.174.119|71.255.174.119]] 01:57, 1 July 2012 (EDT)

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2012-07-01T05:56:17Z

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2012-07-01T02:38:24Z

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2012-07-01T02:32:31Z

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|title="Toxicity"
|airdate=[[May 26]], [[2012]]
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'''Bulkhead encounters life-threatening danger during the last relic hunt.'''

==Synopsis==
With other teams dispatched to find relics, [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]] visits the [[Insecticon (Prime)|Insecticon]] hive and calls for a volunteer. [[Hardshell]] steps forward and Megatron sends him and three others to find the fourth and final relic. The four Insecticons arrive in a volcanic region on the equator and immediately split up.

At the Autobot base, [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] watches [[Miko Nakadai|Miko]] leave [[Jack Darby|with]] [[Bumblebee (Prime)|her]] [[Arcee (Prime)|team]] before he is dispatched to the area at the equator. Though he arrives at the correct coordinates, there's no relic there, but his search is interrupted by the approach of Hardshell. The Insecticon attacks Bulkhead and, after a brief exchange of words, the pair fight. Although he takes a few hits, the Wrecker flattens Hardshell, knocking a mandible off the Insecticon in the process. Bulkhead then heads downhill, realizing that an old lava flow may have taken the relic in the same direction. He keeps [[William Fowler|Agent Fowler]] updated back at base via radio. Meanwhile, Hardshell comes to and heads off with the other Insecticons to find their target.

Though leaking energon from his fight, Bulkhead manages to find the relic. Unfortunately, it turns out to be a toxic form of [[Energon]] known as [[Tox-En]], which Megatron could refine into a lethal bioweapon. Though Fowler suggests bringing it to base, Bulkhead realizes that he's going to have to dispose of it himself, "Wrecker style". Hardshell and the other Insecticons find the vessel shortly after, but as one of them goes to grab the small piece of Tox-En within, the grenade Bulkhead left behind explodes, leaving him fatally riddled with Tox-En shrapnel. Hardshell lets Megatron know about the Tox-En, but Megatron wants to know why Hardshell doesn't have the stuff yet.

Bulkhead, meanwhile, runs away from the volcano with the rest of the Tox-En, leaving a trail of leaking energon to throw off the Insecticons. As he turns and starts to head up the volcano, Bulkhead strikes up a conversation with Fowler about their past war-time careers and discovers they've more in common than they'd previously thought. However, as Bulkhead continues his journey, he begins to feel the effects of the toxic energon and almost succumbs to its spark-sapping properties. After Agent Fowler convinces him to keep going for the sake of duty and family, namely Miko, Bulkhead trudges on.

[[Image:Prime-Hardshellvolcanovent.jpg|left|250px|thumb| Hardshell [[Master Blaster|is not so easily destroyed]].]]
Meanwhile, Hardshell figures out the false trail, and he and the other Insecticons fly uphill. They catch up to Bulkhead, who has just arrived at the volcano's mouth, and surround him. Bulkhead throws a grenade at one Insecticon and jabs the Tox-En into Hardshell. The third Insecticon charges in bug mode, but Bulkhead decks it with the Tox-En and jabs the chunk into its shell before turning back to face Hardshell. Receiving the news that Miko is safe, Bulkhead begins sparring with Hardshell, though they are both now weakened from the toxic energon. Though Hardshell manages to get the better of Bulkhead, as he moves to finish the Wrecker off, Bulkhead works up the strength to throw Hardshell over to the Tox-En before flinging the monster towards a hole in the caldera crust leading down into the molten lava. Bulkhead then throws the Tox-En to Hardshell, and the dizzied Insecticon falls into the volcano, destroying the toxic relic. As Bulkhead heads for the [[GroundBridge]], Hardshell climbs out of the volcano and shoots the Autobot in the back, sending him flying through the GroundBridge to land within the Autobot base, his back burning. Ratchet, Raf, and Fowler see the smoke coming out of Bulkhead and run to his aid.

==Featured characters==



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*[[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] (4)
*[[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]] (5)
*[[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] (6)
*[[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] (7)
*[[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] (8)
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*[[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]] (1)
*[[Insecticon (Prime)|Insecticons]] (2)
*[[Hardshell]] (3)
*[[Soundwave (Prime)|Soundwave]] (13)
*[[Breakdown (Prime)|Breakdown]] (15) (flashback)
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*[[Miko Nakadai]] (9)
*[[Jack Darby]] (10)
*[[Raf Esquivel]] (11)
*[[William Fowler]] (12)
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*[[Scraplet]]s (14) (flashback)
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==Quotes==
"I can haz cheeseburger!"
:—Yes, '''Agent Fowler''' actually said that.

"When were you ever behind enemy lines?" 
"I wasn't always a 'Bot sitter." 
"Huh. Next you're gonna tell me that your mother doesn't tuck you in bed at night." 
"Not since basic training."
:—'''Bulkhead''' finds out that '''Agent Fowler''' knows things about being a soldier.

"Look soldier. You know as well as I do there's the mission. And the reason why you take the mission!..." 
"Honor... duty..." 
"Family. Which is why you need to do whatever it takes to finish this job and come home safely."
:—'''Agent Fowler''' tries to encourage a faltering '''Bulkhead'''.

"Wrecker! Put down the rock, and allow us to put you out of your misery!" 
(''Insecticons surround Bulkhead, who sighs and takes out a grenade'') 
"Gotta swat some flies..."
:—'''Hardshell''' confronts '''Bulkhead''' at the volcano's crater.

"Fowler... mission accomplished. Though you might have to... tuck me in."
:—Half-dead from Tox-En poisoning, and all '''Bulkhead''' needs is a nap? ''Hardcore''.

==Notes==
===Animation and technical errors===
* After Hardshell punches Bulkhead during their first fight, the latter's cannons transform into maces without the usual sound effects.
* In the establishing shot of the Tox-En before the commercial break, there are two samples in the container; the larger one which Bulkhead takes with him, and the smaller one he leaves as a booby trap. After the commercial break, the same shot shows only the larger sample.
* When Megatron receives Hardshell's report on the Tox-En, [[Soundwave (Prime)|Soundwave]] is standing behind him, with his visor undamaged. This clashes with the continuity of the arc; Soundwave should either be absent from the ship (if he's still embroiled in his relic hunt) or sporting a cracked visor from his battle with [[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]], as a later scene in this episode indicates that [[Knock Out (Prime)|Knock Out]] is still on his own relic hunt.
* When Bulkhead incapacitates one of the Insecticons with the Tox-En ("Here, hold this!"), it is in its beetle alt-mode. After it manages to shake to Tox-En off of its body, it is suddenly in robot mode after the shot of the crystal rolling on the ground. Although he could have transformed off screen.
* Speaking of that Insecticon, its fate is somewhat ambiguous. It falls over in a way that suggests that it's unconscious or dead, but Hardshell acts as though it is still online. Either way, it doesn't appear for the rest of the episode.

===Continuity errors===
* In "[[Triangulation]]", Bulkhead is shown running through the GroundBridge for his mission. However, in this episode he is shown just walking through the bridge.
* It has been shown previously that Insecticons have blasters, and they show awareness of Tox-En's debilitating effects on their bodies... so why don't any of them try attacking Bulkhead from range, reducing the risk of Tox-En exposure? Even if they're trying to avoid hitting the Tox-En, they could certainly at least flank Bulkhead and attack from opposite sides.
* As Fowler tries to contact Bulkhead during the battle in the volcano's caldera, we see Ratchet and Raf downloading the Iacon database in the background (as seen in [[Triage|the previous episode]]). However, when the same scene was shown in "Triage", Fowler was silent for the duration of Ratchet and Raf's conversation.
**That is clearly done on purpose.

===Continuity notes===
* This is the final episode of the four-part relic-hunting arc, all four parts of which happen concurrently. This episode focuses on Bulkhead and Fowler. Fowler's handling of [[Vogel]] in "[[Tunnel Vision]]" and the Antarctic research base in "[[Triangulation]]" are shown from his point of view. Raf is also seen programming the virus that Ratchet installs in [[Laserbeak (Prime)|Laserbeak]] in "[[Triage]]". The ending scene is the same as in "Triage".
* The room currently occupied by the Insecticon hive was previously used to store [[Dark Energon]] way back in "[[Darkness Rising, Part 2]]".
* During Bulkhead's first fight with Hardshell, the Insecticon delivers an attack that looks eerily similar to how [[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]] killed [[Cliffjumper (Prime)|Cliffjumper]]. The actual hit is obscured (the camera is set behind Hardshell), but it doesn't seem to do any visible damage (although this could be why Bulkhead was leaking energon after the fight).
**At the end of the fight, Bulkhead clocks Hardshell with a wicked uppercut, knocking off one of his mandibles. The scene plays out in a suspiciously similar fashion to how [[Cliffjumper (Prime)|Cliffjumper]] lost one of his horns to a [[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicon]] in "[[Darkness Rising, Part 1]]"; the mandible even sticks point-first in the ground.
* Fowler makes mention of his old Army Ranger days, which he first mentioned in "[[Nemesis Prime (episode)|Nemesis Prime]]".
* Bulkhead flashes back to scenes from previous episodes when Fowler is trying to get him to continue the mission. First, he remembers several instances where his life was threatened, including:
**Leading [[Scraplet]]s through the GroundBridge into the Arctic in "[[Scrapheap (episode)|Scrapheap]]".
**Getting his Energon drained by the [[Energon Harvester|energon harvester]] in "[[Deus ex Machina]]".
**Clashing with [[Breakdown (Prime)|Breakdown]] in "[[Out of His Head]]".
**Getting blown back by the malfunctioning GroundBridge in "[[Shadowzone (episode)|Shadowzone]]".
**Protecting Miko from falling rocks in "[[Rock Bottom]]".
**Clashing with Breakdown in "[[Operation: Breakdown]]".
**Being wired to one of [[Dreadwing (Prime)|Dreadwing]]'s bombs in "[[Loose Cannons]]".
**Getting attacked by Scraplets in "Scrapheap".
* Shortly after the above, Bulkhead remembers several interactions with Miko, including:
**Miko assuring him that she's protected before Bulkhead heads down a slope in "[[Darkness Rising, Part 3]]".
**Bulkhead showing Miko a new battle scar in "[[Metal Attraction]]".
**Miko revealing herself from inside Bulkhead's chest in "[[Darkness Rising, Part 4]]".
**Bulkhead trying to dissuade Miko from using him as a role model in "Deus ex Machina".
**An exhausted Miko trying to clear rubble in "[[Rock Bottom]]".
**Miko trying to get an amnesiac Bulkhead to remember her in "[[T.M.I.]]".
* Bulkhead's tactic of hiding a grenade in the Tox-En container is similar to the one proposed by Wheeljack in "Triage".

===Transformers references===
* Hardshell is the modern name for the G1 Insecticon [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]].
* During Bulkhead's flashback to the victims of Megatron's refined Tox-En weapon, one of the corpses in the foreground looks a lot like [[Ironhide (Animated)|an Ironhide from another continuity]]. The reddish one behind it looks similar to the [[generic]] impaled by Megatron during Ratchet's flashback to the beginning of the Great War in "[[One Shall Rise, Part 3]]".
* Hardshell says "yes" in a suspiciously familiar fashion, [[Megatron (BW)|yesss...]]
* Green-tinted energon that emits visible fumes and is toxic to Cybertronians was previously seen in ''[[Transformers: Energon (cartoon)| Energon]]''. Given Bulkhead's flashback, Megatron's refined, weaponized version of Tox-En may be a small-scale version of the energon gas that plagued that series' version of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].

===Real-world references===
* While still recovering from the shock he received in "[[Flying Mind]]", Fowler blurts out "I can has cheeseburger", a popular cat-based internet meme.
* Considering its green coloration, mineral-like composition, and fatal effects from prolonged exposure, Tox-En is essentially Cybertronian Kryptonite.

===Trivia===
* Apparently, Bulkhead has been inside Decepticon barracks at some point (possibly on a mission for the Wreckers back on Cybertron). They are very, very smelly, but not as much as the landscape near an active volcano.
* In the past, the Wreckers have generally been a small, closely knit unit (despite their horrific attrition rates). However, Hardshell's comment that he's faced Wreckers numerous times suggests the team is much larger in the Aligned continuity.
* Bulkhead tells Fowler that the relic would likely survive a dip in molten rock while hunting for it in a cooled lava flow. Not only is this technically untrue (the Tox-En only survived its fall due to its container), but a drop into lava is exactly how Bulkhead disposes of the relic in the end.
* Despite having at least one more grenade on his person, Bulkhead doesn't attempt to leave the entire Tox-En cache in his Insecticon trap. Presumably, it wouldn't have been enough to completely destroy the toxic fuel, or it wouldn't have fit in the canister, giving Hardshell's team warning that something was up.
* Bulkhead finally finds something even ''worse'' than Scraplets. Incidentally, he saw the effects of both Scraplets and Tox-En during the war, and neither was a pleasant experience.
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== Disambig ==

Should this page be disambiguated from the [[Transformers 2010 (franchise)]] page? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:28, 9 December 2009 (EST)
: I think so, yes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:21, 10 December 2009 (EST)

== Character list ==
Unicron was voiced by John Noble per the character listing on 1 Shall Rise, pt 1.

Forgive me for being overly cautious, but since it's been stated that Michael Bell has auditioned for the roles of Ratchet and Fowler, can we begin a preliminary character list? - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:38, 14 December 2009 (EST)

:I'm okay with that as long as we are foolishly optimistic enough to leave Optimus Prime and Megatron OFF the character list until confirmed. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:46, 14 December 2009 (EST)
::HAHAHAHAHA!!!!--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:52, 14 December 2009 (EST)

:::EVEN THOUGH I KNOW IT WILL BE FOR NAUGHT, THE VERY CONCEPT FILLS MY HEART WITH GLADNESS. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:03, 14 December 2009 (EST)

::::Maybe, for the same reason, the character list should just be "characters" and not presume to put them in "Autobots", "Decepticons", and "Humans". Who knows? There could be Maximals! - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:10, 14 December 2009 (EST)
:::::Or Unicron's Heralds, for that matter! --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:46, 14 December 2009 (EST)
::::::Malignus, Mutants, Throttlebots, Spacebots, Spacecons... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:26, 14 December 2009 (EST)
::::::Unicron, would I love a set of stories focussing mainly on the Chaos Bringer's faction. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:49, 14 December 2009 (EST)
I'm tempted to say that we shouldn't include Bumblebee on the list just yet because we don't know 100% that the yellow robot on the Hub logo is Bumblebee, but I seriously doubt that anybody would toy around (no pun intended) with the general looks of a popular Transformers character (though that would be an awesome twist). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 15:29, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

==Titling==
Shouldn't it be "Prime (cartoon)", considering our stupid rule of removing "Transformers" from article titles? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:01, 6 February 2010 (EST)

:[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Nope]]!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:04, 6 February 2010 (EST)

::I thought the reason we went with "Transformers Animated" is because there was no colon, and therefore "Animated" wasn't a subtitle? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:08, 6 February 2010 (EST)

:::I honestly don't recall there being a colon in just about any TF title. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:09, 6 February 2010 (EST)

::::We make exceptions for phrases. This isn't one. I mean, we even had a big ado over moving the ROTF article to be without the "Transformers". [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:13, 6 February 2010 (EST)

:::::"Transformers Animated" is much a exception, so it go with the full name. If the title is "Transformers: Prime" when it start airing, I will vote for the "Prime (cartoon)". --''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]''04:09, 6 February 2010 (EST)

== Hub picture ==

Now that we got the logo for 'Transformers: Prime', should we get rid of the Hub logo? I say we do, but I wouldn't object to holding on to it until we get an image solely of Bumblebee. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 07:53, 3 May 2010 (EDT)
:There's room, so we might as well keep it for now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 08:00, 3 May 2010 (EDT)

== Can we get this article locked if it hasn't been already? ==

I expect a number of (mostly anonymous) editors may attempt to follow a relatively new TFW2005.com staffer's lead and paste in an unverified, uncited cast list from Wikipedia into this article. Thanks. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:12, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
:I personally disagree with locking this article. The show should be debuting within the next six months or so, therefore I imagine Hasbro will give us some tidbits of information (not to mention actors' websites, like [[Jeffrey Combs]]). However, if this article does get locked until a later date, I won't make a big deal out of it. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 23:36, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
::It's only blocked against editing by unregistered users. If an unregistered user has a legit piece of info to be added, they can always use the talk page to bring it up. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:45, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
:::Or register and then add it directly. (They should still provide citations/links for proof if need be, of course.)--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 05:12, 8 May 2010 (EDT)

== Continuity ==

Might just be me, but shouldn't we place this under "War For Cybertron" continuity or something? Apparantly, it follows the game (or at least the prequel comic, according to the page itself.

-ThiAthEhn
:I'm still not clear on where [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] got that from, since it's uncited. We really need to wait and see before we make a decision. Plus if WFC and Prime are in the same continuity, an argument could be made to place WFC in the Prime continuity rather than the other way around.--[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:14, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
::Ask Walky. [[Talk:Dion#Dion is Jazz?|He assured me that the link between WfC and ''Prime'' has been confirmed]], but just didn't mention where or when. That's why I added the {{tl|fact}} tag, so that he or someone else could cite it. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 05:45, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
:::Aha! I see! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 06:19, 12 May 2010 (EDT)

So isn't the "link" with WfC just speculation from someone working at TFWiki? There's no citation, and should not be under "CONFIRMED news." --[[Special:Contributions/75.28.55.135|75.28.55.135]] 21:37, 9 June 2010 (EDT)

:I believe Walky said it came directly from the Hasbro reps at toy fair. If so that's confirmed enough for me. And if it turns out to be wrong... eh, we'll know for sure in two weeks at Botcon anyway. That's soon enough to just wait and deal with it then. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:31, 9 June 2010 (EDT)

== Chartacter list ==

If It's not Bumblebee, who '''''CAN''''' it be?[[User:TOM|TOM]] 11:08, 16 May 2010 (EDT)
:Yellow Cliffjumper, Bumper, Hot Shot, Armada Sparkplug... it's ''likely'' that it's Bumblebee, but there are other people that look like him. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:21, 16 May 2010 (EDT)
::Or a brand new character. I'm very certain that it is Bumblebee, but the producers may blow our minds and say, "Hey, you know your buddy, Bumblebee? Well, he's actually (place bad guy name here) in disguise. Remember Longarm Prime in ''Transformers Animated''? Btw, TOM, to add a comment to a topic, just hit the edit button on top of the page and place your comment below the last comment. You can use colons in front of your statement to space it from the margin. You're learning the ropes and I'm glad you're making an honest effort to benefit this wiki, so don't give up. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 13:28, 16 May 2010 (EDT)

==New continuity family!==
Hey, remember when I said WFC/Prime is probably Primax? Well, I lied! After BotCon's flurry of information I think it's going to have to be its own thing. Not only because, well, it deserves to be, but because it will make our lives a lot easier and our pages a lot clearer. Back when the movie came out, we also considered making THAT G1, but declined when we realized the sheer amount of material and focus would make it impractical. The same here. Also, comments from Aaron Archer put the new continuity in perspective.

He ALSO doesn't like calling it "Prime," since that's not what he wants to call it, but it's all we got at the moment. He doesn't have a name for this new continuity (family), but is trying to think of one eventually. So, uh, in the meantime, I think we're stuck with calling it "Prime." Dem's the breaks until we get a time machine and can ask 2012 Aaron Archer or whatever. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:01, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah, EVERYTHING was already pointing in the way of a new continuity family, so I'm glad the wiki now has the green light to separate this stuff. Not that that will spare me from redoing certain location articles, but it's at least a lot easier. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:58, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:P.S., do Demolishor (WFC) and Slipstream (WFC) have to be moved now? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:59, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::Optimus Prime (Prime)? Reminds me of [[Cyclonus (Armada)]]. Anyway, looks like we're going to have to fix a lot of links and move a fair bit of information related to the War for Cybertron pages. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 12:12, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::I concur completely. This seems very much like a new continuity, albeit with very strong G1 and Movie influences, though the Unicron Trilogy and Animated get some characters and ideas dropped in as well.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:22, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::As I said on [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]] ":I'm beginning to wonder if the "G1 continuity family" is heading towards collapse under its own weight. I'm not sure there will ever be another franchise that isn't "terribly G1y" in the future. The discussion a few years back about whether Movie and Animated belonged in their own continuity families, the synthetic nature of the Hall of Fame bios, the integration of Mini-Cons into G1 universes, all point towards a blending effect in TF universes." --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:42, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

While Archer may not like calling it "Prime," that ''would'' seem to be the parenthetical if we follow the same protocol we did for the Unicron Trilogy. Franchise of origin and all. Alternately, we could tag all of them (WFC) if they first appeared in that game, but that doesn't seem quite right.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:46, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:Then we'd wind up with another Shattered Glass/Timelines situation where it really made no sense why some were tagged one way and some another (at least not to the more casual fan). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:50, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::Exodus had the same street-date as WFC, didn't it? I know we're having this discussion simultaneously on Allspark, which... probably isn't a good idea.... but I suggested "EWP" as a suffix until something better comes along. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:02, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::I would suggest using either "Prime", "WFC" or "Exodus" (only one of them though!) until something clearer comes along. "EWP" just seems needlessly confusing. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:12, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::I tend to think (Prime) is the best suffix we'll get, since we normally use franchise and Prime seems like the most likely candidate to be the franchise name. Exodus and WFC are definitely not franchises, but Prime might be. Of course, one wonders what will happen if Hasbro decides to completely move away from the concept of franchises... --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:14, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::According to the TFormers.com BotCon report, Aaron Archer said Hasbro wasn't planning on doing TF:Prime toys. And, for that matter, we know there ''are'' WFC toys, so at the moment WFC actually looks more franchisey. But that having been said, I still vote for "(Prime)" across the board because that's almost guaranteed to be the most prominent, central, and dominant element of this continuity. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:43, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::Aaron Archer said he "wasn't there to talk about toys," but the fiction/show/cartoon. I think this statement was being misconstrued. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:44, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Ah, thanks for clarifying. That did seem like an odd decision on Hasbro's part. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:48, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::::Aaron's wording was poorly-chosen. He really did say something like "right now there isn't a toyline," and of course he could only have meant it as a figure of speech to cover what he was willing to talk about during that 20 minutes and not that there actually isn't a toyline. It's impossible that there wouldn't be a toyline. You don't make a CGI toy commercial without them. --Thy, not logged in.
:::::::::Or it could have meant that the details weren't ready for a public reveal or that the figures would simply be released as part of the unsubtitled "Transformers" line. Lots of ambiguity. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:15, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the toys just ended up in the general ''Transformers'' line, which would make TF:Prime about exactly as franchisey as WFC. Still, like I said above, even if there WEREN'T any toys I would still lean towards "(Prime)" for its likely real-world dominance. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:33, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

:::"Prime" will be good. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 13:54, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

::Has anybody tried to mock up a Prime (franchise) page that could explain how the Prime TV show, WFC videogame and Exodus novel are related and give a comparison/contrast to other franchises? I think I've got an idea what's going on, but I'd like to see a coherent write up from someone who has seen the actual materials. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:01, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
:::I don't know if the "Prime (franchise)" page would be the best place for that. That would be for the cartoon stuff and related toyline. But we need a continuity page, like [[Movie continuity]]. Based on the [[Hasbro Q&A/September 2010|September Q&A]] we could call it the "modern continuity". That's what Hasbro called it. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:19, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::Because it's "modern" as in HAPPENING NOW, not as if it was a proper noun! Calling it "Modern" would be astoundingly dumb. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:21, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:::::Are you calling Hasbro dumb? That's what they called it. For better or worse "modern" is sometimes used like that. "Modern architecture" doesn't mean the style of architecture right now. I have a "modern continuity" page ready. I almost pressed "save page" but I checked the recent changes and found this. We need a continuity page anyway. I think I will hit save before I go to bed. It can be moved. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:47, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::::Do you understand the difference between lower and upper case letters? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:54, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::::Tell you what, we'll resume this conversation when you learn what "context" means. And your "Modern (franchise)" page will be deleted. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:56, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Not "modern (franchise)". "Modern continuity", as in [[:Category:Continuities]]. I din't think it was a proper noun anymore than [[movie continuity]] is. You can delete it, I suppose. Or, if it is a good page, you could rename it whatever you want. Like "War for Cybertron/Exodus/Prime continuity". - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:07, 2 November 2010 (EDT)
::::::::I thought it was a good page. Probably did need to be moved to a better name. But then it was deleted. Um, oh well? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:58, 2 November 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::I saved it as a text file. I could reload it under a different name if anyone wants. Just let me know what name. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:14, 2 November 2010 (EDT)

==Timeline==
Transformers.com timeline: [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=841a4def-19b9-f369-104f-c8d8dec0c2ce]
It's basically the story from ''Exodus'' with Sentinel Prime exchanged for Zeta Prime, with screenshots from the game. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:10, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

== Sue Blu gone? ==

I saw news notes from Comicon saying something about Susan Blu no longer working on the show. Does anyone know if she's gone completely or just stopped working one one part of the show. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 07:31, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah I updated that awhile ago, forgot to mention it here. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:35, 6 August 2010 (EDT)

A [http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117944113/ review by Variety] (worry not; no spoilers) gives quite a few bits of information on credits, and it mentions Sue Blu as the voice director. So, what? Did the reviewer make a mistake or did she come back? I'd say we should just wait until the show airs, but I thought I might as well bring it up. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 23:33, 24 November 2010 (EST)

She's credited as voice director for the first two episodes. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 07:13, 29 November 2010 (EST)

She's infact credited for the first five episodes. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 02:37, 1 January 2011 (EST)

== David Hartman as both the supervising director and art director ==

taken from his DAblog: http://sideshowmonkey.deviantart.com/journal/33585161 not sure if it's "news," but it is more confirmed staff. - {{unsigned|128.208.61.72}} 01:56, 2 August 2010

== Move? ==

The Hub's press release render the title without a colon [http://hubworld.com/press-100806-talent.htm][http://hubworld.com/shows-detail.htm#panel-8], should we move all Prime-related articles or are we happy just writing it our way? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 13:01, 19 August 2010 (EDT)

== Air date ==
Isn't a bit premature to announce that it'll air on this year's Black Friday? I mean, true, the TV listing there says so, but they are subject to change. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 04:35, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
:Not to fear. I changed it from "will air" to "is scheduled to air". - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:53, 22 October 2010 (EDT)

== Wrong! ==

This page has incorrect information!! This takes place in the movie universe for 1. 2, It only has five episodes for the whole series as it is a MINI series. It has nothing even close to related to the War for Cybertron game. Sadly, I can't fix this because the page is LOCKED. :( [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] 05:16, 13 November 2010 (EST)
:No, ''you're'' the one who is incorrect. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 05:17, 13 November 2010 (EST)
::Jman, atleast wait until you see the show first before making these presumptions. While you wait, read the 'Exodus' book. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:55, 13 November 2010 (EST)
: You are exactly the reason this page is locked. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:51, 13 November 2010 (EST)
: Don't believe, go to this link ---> [http://www.hubworld.com/transformers/shows/prime/videos/sneak-peek] --[[User:Jman98|Jman98]] 14:44, 13 November 2010 (EST)
:: Yeah, we've been. Try again. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:05, 13 November 2010 (EST)
::: Okay, I just read the Exodus book, sorry for causing trouble. Now I know that WFC and PRIME are linked. --[[User:Jman98|Jman98]] 12:09, 14 November 2010 (EST)

== Protecting ==

Since Seibertron has posted details of the first two episodes, should we protect this page against anon editing to minimise spoilers? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:59, 22 November 2010 (EST)
:It appears to already be protected. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 21:12, 22 November 2010 (EST)
::A quick spate of protecting individual character articles will also not go amiss. I could really go for not having this blown for me before Friday. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:19, 22 November 2010 (EST)
:::I've protected the episode titles as well, because creating a new page means the text shows up in Recent Changes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:31, 22 November 2010 (EST)

==Episode 1 Credits==
Have fun.

[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds01.jpg 01] [http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds02.jpg 02]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds03.jpg 03]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds04.jpg 04]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds05.jpg 05]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds06.jpg 06]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds07.jpg 07]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds08.jpg 08]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds09.jpg 09]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds10.jpg 10]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds11.jpg 11]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds12.jpg 12]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds13.jpg 13]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds14.jpg 14]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds15.jpg 15]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds16.jpg 16]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds17.jpg 17]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds18.jpg 18]

And, yes, these were obtained on the up-and-up. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 18:35, 25 November 2010 (EST)
:Do you have the writer/director credit for the episode (would presumably have been displayed at the start) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:59, 25 November 2010 (EST)

==Promo Vehicle images==

Can these be dropped from articles and replaced with screenshots? [[User:Eire]] 2 Dec 12.35 (GMT)

== Help! Paradox! ==

Could someone please explain to me how War For Cybertron fits in the Prime Universe. I have a whole list of paradoxs:

*Megatron:In WFC, he was a tank, while in Prime, he was a jet. In WFC, Megatron new how to control dark energon, and used it often, but in Prime, he did not fuse it with his spark until he arrived on Earth.
*Starscream: First, his color scheme is different, in WFC, he is G1 like, but in Prime, he is movie like. Also, in The Darkness Rising Part 2, Starscream acted as if he hadn't came in contact with Dark Energon, but heard about it. However, the WFC Starscream knew exactly what Dark Energon does, and wants to learn how to weild it.
*Soundwave: Soundwave in WFC is like G1, with Laserbeak, Rumble, Frenzy, however in Prime, he is quiet, doesn' talk much,
(and even then, he just repeats recordings of what others have said) and only has 1 drone (Ratbat, i beleive his name is now.
*Ratchet:Rachet in WFC new what Drak Energon was, for it was alover Cybertron and Optimus pointed it out. In Prime, though, he says Dark Energon is so rare, its existence is doughted.
*Bumblebee:In WFC, he can talk and has a mouth, but in prime, he cannot talk. (Similar to his movie version.)
*Cliffjumper: In WFC, heis basicallya retool of Bumblebee, but in Prime, he is his own mold.
*Arcee: In WFC, she is like er G1 counterpart (and is a pink car), but the prime version is more like the movie version, and somewhat of a ninja. (And is a blue motercycle.)
*Dark Energon: In WFC, it was said it corrupts and destroys. But in Prime, it has the power to revive the dead. It is all over cybertron in WFC, and heck, even the Core of Cybertron is corrupted with it. But in Prime, it is apperently "so rare", how was it found on cybertron? Better yet in WFC, why was it being manufactured? (WARNING!!! SPOLIER ALERT!!! SPOLIERS UP AHEAD!!! STOP READING IF YOU DON'T LIKE SPOILERS!!!! WARNING!!!) and Prime, why is Megaton trying to ressurct ever dead cybertronian on Cybertron? Couldn't he have just done that in WFC?

Some clarification would be great. Also, I know the whole "Scanning alt mode" thing could change the way they look, but in the Prime comic,they still look the same in Cybertrnian form. Please help clarify some things.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 10:02, 3 December 2010 (EST)

:''Could someone please explain to me how War For Cybertron fits in the Prime Universe.'' It doesn't. They're part of the same continuity family, but not one singular continuous universe. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 10:39, 3 December 2010 (EST)
::I want someone to please explain to me how someone being a different altmode in the past is a paradox. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:42, 3 December 2010 (EST)
:::No need to get rude ItsWalky. I was just saying, what reason did he have for changing his form. You don't have to be rude about it. As for you KilMichaelMcC, thank you, I must have confused the two. Sorry.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 16:43, 3 December 2010 (EST)
::::We don't need a reason. Characters changing their altmode is not some strange new thing that's unique to Megatron (Prime). G1 Megs went from gun to cannon to nothing to tank, back to gun, sometimes a car... UT Megs went from tank to spaceship to dragster/jet triple changer to... dinosaur. And Movie Megs has been both a tank and a jet. And all this is beside the point that we have been handed down an official reason in WFC Megatron's tech spec bio. Read the notes at the bottom of Megatron (Prime)'s article. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:50, 4 December 2010 (EST)
:::::You forget that all those times he had a reason. G1 Megatron was changed due to Cobra Commander. UT Megatron changed because he was brought back to life a few time and movie Megs was ressurected using parts of other decepticons. And there is always the to sell toys reason. But I don't know If you read my comment but I tried to end this whole paradox conversation. Ok, I confused something big whoop. You don't have to act like a jerk saying "I want someone to tell me how having a different alt mode in the past is a paradox." Why don't you just ban me from this sight because I said that he had an new alt mode in the past. I was asking a question and you came in with your little ego trying to show off that you need to know that little statement. My god, I thought this site would be full of TF fans, not people trying to piss off other by deleting info they type because of one mistake instead of correcting it themselves, and other people like you trying to prove other users wrong. And why the heck can't we have pictures without a serious caption, we are preatty much the only wiki that does that so why do we? Because we rather get a laugh then information? By the pit.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:57, 6 December 2010 (EST)
::::::As an impartial observer Walky didn't say anything rude at all, he mearly pointed out a flaw in your premise in fairly neutral language. You seem to be flipping out over nothing here. If you don't like it here(or are bothered exessively by the humorous captions that are here to stay) you don't need to stay. But stay or go, acting like a child over literally nothing isn't a great way to make friends.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 12:15, 6 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::I am not trying to make friends here. I tried, but apparently I am someone who can't sign posts, tried to correct a statement about daleks and failed, and someone who steals information from sets and wikipedia. It is not the site I have problems with, it is the people.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:29, 7 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::As a person here who has been nice to you in the past, I think you are being overly sensitive here. You were given a reminder to sign posts, the Dalek thing was explained to you as being beyond the scope of this wiki and the "news" you posted from sets and wikipedia were removed because they were unconfirmed (thus against policy). Read the various help pages and follow the rules and you will be as welcome here as anyone. Continue your persecution complex, and people WILL get upset with you. And, again, Walky was simply pointing out your mistaken use of paradox. No conversation can occur if people aren't clear on terms. Your examples are not paradoxes, merely contradictions. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:10, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::Hate to be rude here, but a paradox does not just have to do with time. It can mean contradictions.[[Special:Contributions/166.109.0.45|166.109.0.45]] 11:28, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::Only if those contradictions are in the same thing at the same time. Two separate things contradicting each other is not a paradox. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:44, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::You know what, you are right. I did over react, and I assumed Walky was trying to be rude here. Me apologies. I am sorry.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:30, 8 December 2010 (EST)

==Animation studio question==
So... It's [[wikipedia:Polygon Pictures|Polygon Pictures]] that's animating, not Digitalscape? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 04:44, 24 February 2011 (EST)
:There's probably more than one animation team. Anyone want to check the credits for each episode? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 15:02, 24 February 2011 (EST)

::It's Polygon Pictures. Digitalscape is just a recruiting agent doing recruiting on behalf of Polygon. {{unsigned|219.109.211.26}}
:::Thanks for the tip. I've rewatched "Darkness Rising" and noticed it is Polygon. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 10:04, 7 March 2011 (EST)

== Refer to the Main Autobot Cast as Team Prime? ==

The main Autbot Cast has been refered to as Team Prime a few times in the series.[[User:DinoFreakUSA|DinoFreakUSA]] 01:45, 27 February 2011 (EST)

== Edit war brewing ==

Once again about a caption, this time regarding the cast promo image. So to [[User:Detour|Detour]] and [[User:TOM|TOM]], the caption will be dated in October, so I propose leaving it until then, perhaps to a new caption about how odd it was there appeared to be ''six'' main Autobots... [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:24, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
:There's a link to the toyline at the top of the page. I don't think the caption needs another one to explain it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:50, 16 March 2011 (EDT)

== Removing a note ==

Because this statement by Hasbro "Continuity. Present day, after "movie" type events. Autobots on earth,hiding." does not mean the same thing as this note by us "*Though part of the [[aligned continuity family]] with the ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|War for Cybertron]]'' fiction, the show's immediate Earth-set backstory is meant to be "[[live-action film series|post-movie]]". Hasbro is saying that the backstory is movie-ish, not that it is the movie. Which is what our note said. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:22, 24 March 2011 (EDT)

== Divide & Conquer ==

The episode 13 listing, "Divide & Conquer", is actually a episode of G1 airing on the Sunday after the "Predatory" episode airs. It also hasn't been given a description, even though the "Sick Mind" episode has. It's clearly the G1 episode, and not one of TFP's episodes. {{unsigned|72.23.116.251}}
:Have you got a source for that? I've been keeping my eyes on the show listings, because I've suspected that what you'd said is the case, but I haven't found a listings source which goes up to Sunday the 17th. If you can point to some listings showing the G1 Divide and Conquer on that day, I'd be grateful! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:55, 3 April 2011 (EDT)
::Not sure if it'll be proof enough, but MSN's listings are generally reliable (http://tv.msn.com/tv/series-episodes/transformers-prime/?sb=0&si=1&ipp=25). Divide and Conquer airing the day after Predatory first airs is a dead giveaway. It's still odd that it's part of the TFP episode guide, but it just wouldn't make sense to release two new episodes so close to each other like that.

Oddly enough, the Hub isn't playing the G1 episode that day either. I wonder where MSN got that listing from. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:34, 11 April 2011 (EDT)
: "Divide and Conquer" showed up recorded on my Tivo under the "Transformers Prime" directory. It was the G1 episode. As if we needed further proof. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:36, 11 April 2011 (EDT)

== Universal Cluster ==

I've been trying to think of a name for the [[Universal stream|universe cluster]] for this and [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]]. So far I've come up with Alignus, but that sounds retarded. Anyone have any ideas? [[[[User:Paddles|Paddles]] 13:32, 28 May 2011 (EDT)]]
:This is not the place for fan fiction. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:37, 28 May 2011 (EDT)
:Nevermind. Just forgot. [[[[User:Paddles|Paddles]] 13:39, 28 May 2011 (EDT)]]

== Dreadwing ==

OK- we know that Tony Todd is voicing Dreadwing. Do we know for sure whether or not Dreadwing is a Decepticon? I mean, I know it's likely, but should we assign him a faction before we know for sure? [[Special:Contributions/67.242.198.238|67.242.198.238]] 10:21, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

Hey can we assign Dreadwing to the main Decepticon cast now that he's... apart of the main Decepticon cast? Or are we going to continue to treat him like Wheeljack and keep him offsides until he cameo's in at least 65% of future episode runtime? [[User:Arcee-Cola|Arcee-Cola]] 8:44, 27 March 2012 (EDT)
:Hey thanks for moving WheelJack and Dreadwing to the main cast! [[User:Arcee-Cola|Arcee-Cola]] 6:07, 30 March 2012 (EDT)

== Prowl and barricade and a unknown char? ==

so many people are talking today about prowl and barricade are coming into Transformers Prime.
Picture's are released on this Website: http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-prime-discussion/412158-weve-wanted-new-tfp-bots-cons.html (TFW2005) is this true or not? and who whould be the unknown character? whould like to know more :D {{unsigned|Angelkiss112}}
:Go to a forum if you want to talk about this. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:10, 3 June 2011 (EDT)
==Laserbeak==
Laserbeak should be added to every episode with Sundwave in it, 'cuz he's Soundwave's chest.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 16:42, 11 June 2011 (EDT)
:I think he should only be listed if he detaches from Soundwave - it's how we treat the Breastforce animals in Victory and they have basically the same deal. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:13, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

==Season 2 Info==
[http://uk.tv.ign.com/articles/118/1183380p1.html Comic Con] has revealed some new information about season 2 of the show and beyond with the possibility of Dinobots as well as Combiners making their way onto the show. There is also a teaser showcasing a new villain with it being said that ''"He is ocming..."'' and it seems to be part o a prophecy as Prime is quoting the [[Covenant of Primus]]! [[User:Straxus|Straxus]] 07:04, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
:It would be so disappointing if he was just talking about Megatron. He IS prophesied in the Covenant, after all. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 07:11, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
::Since this is the Aligned continuity, a reference to Megatron could equally be [[The Fallen]], couldnt it? [[User:Straxus|Straxus]] 10:48, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
:::May I remind you this page is for discussing improvements to the article, not a general forum for chitchat. I can't access IGN articles due to a server 500 error, could someone else implement it? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 11:18, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
::::I got a screenshot of the spooky dude in question http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/Semysane/TFPrimePreviewAwakened.jpg He looks kinda like... Alpha Trion, actually.
:::::Alpha Trion does not have horns (they're not in the screenshot, but were seen a few nanokliks earlier). I'm thinking Unicron, as the TFPrime crew has said Unicron could appear. Either way, I think it's best to just let it be for now, until the episode airs. - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 19:50, 23 July 2011 (EDT)

== Episode 21 ==

I found this on IMDb.
Season 1, Episode 21: One Bots, Two Bots, Red Bots, Blue Bots
Original Air Date—30 July 2011
Sierra sneaked inside Bulkhead and found Jack in Autobot Headquarters.
Should it be added? {{unsigned|68.200.62.165|19:53, 30 July 2011 (EDT)}}
: Not until it's confirmed somewhere other than IMDB, which is not really known for its accuracy on upcoming stuff. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:57, 30 July 2011 (EDT)
:There wasn't a new episode on the 30th. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:22, 30 July 2011 (EDT)
:Additionally, given that this bit has shown up on multiple sites, all with the same spelling error and the odd past-tense synopsis, it can mostly be assumed it's fan-generated. --[[Special:Contributions/70.243.110.53|70.243.110.53]] 01:00, 6 August 2011 (EDT)

== "Unlike most Transformers shows, episodes do not have an episode title card. Episode titles are from The Hub website." ==

Don't forget on the info for [[wikipedia:DirecTV|DirecTV's]] schedulale! (sic?) --[[Special:Contributions/66.82.162.10|66.82.162.10]] 16:12, 31 July 2011 (EDT)
:They can be found in a lot of places. I don't think we need to list them all. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:45, 31 July 2011 (EDT)

== New Prime ep on Teletoon. ==

Not a clue what its name is, but Teletoon's airing a never-before-seen episode. They'll be re-airing it at 4:30AM. If you know any Canuckians who can record and encode... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:17, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
:Detour, did you just issue a call for TFWiki users to engage in piracy? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:44, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
::Sorry, bad choice of words. Canuckians who can record (because it's on late) and watch later to fill out the article. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:21, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
:::I expected that was the case, after all DVR's ''do'' encode while they record. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:46, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
:According to tvguide.ca, Teletoon is playing a new episode next week too. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:42, 7 August 2011 (EDT)

== Pictures Pictures and Pictures. ==
I noticed that a lot of the character profiles seem to have stopped showing screen caps around after the last 4 episodes. You guys want me to get screen caps of all the characters? or just leave it?

== Something of Note ==

Something I've noticed in the series is something fairly unusual: all of the Transformers with flight-capable alt. mode have, thus far, been shown to be incapable of flight in robot mode. Megatron and Starscream have both been shown to have to Transform ''before'' they become capable of flight, while Soundwave has yet to transform himself. This is fairly unusual in the Transformers franchise, is it not?--[[Special:Contributions/184.100.200.98|184.100.200.98]] 15:06, 14 October 2011 (EDT)
: Soundwave has transformed. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:14, 14 October 2011 (EDT)

Alright, my mistake. But in the mean-time, have any flight-capable alt. mode Transformers shown flight capabilities in their robot mode? Because if not I'm certain that's a first for the Transformers franchise.--[[Special:Contributions/184.100.200.98|184.100.200.98]] 15:30, 14 October 2011 (EDT)
: I think the movie already tackled that, for the most part. Blackout and Megatron never flew in robot modes, and Starscream has those jet boosters on his back that enabled him to stay aloft for a few seconds between jet transformations in the first movie. To my best recollection. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:42, 14 October 2011 (EDT)

Megatron flew in ROTF. Blackout was just plain destroyed.--[[Special:Contributions/184.100.200.98|184.100.200.98]] 15:48, 14 October 2011 (EDT)

== Least Transformation ==

So there's a note at the bottom of this page which says that this show features the least amout of transformation of any show. This seems to me to be an opinion and not the type of thing we should note on this Wiki and I'm not even sure it's accuarate. What do you guys think.
[[User:Flydie|Flydie]] 10:44, 21 November 2011 (EST)
:: How is it an opinion? We've had several episodes where nobody transforms. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 10:54, 21 November 2011 (EST)
:::It's fact that can be verified by counting the number of transformations in the various series. However, unless we have those numbers, the note should be removed. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:59, 21 November 2011 (EST)
: Well, if I remember correctly, ''Sick Mind'', ''Shadowzone'', ''Scrapheap'', ''One Shall Rise 3'', and ''Con Job'' don't have anyone transforming. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 11:05, 21 November 2011 (EST)
Actually that's the problem most of those are actually wrong while Sick Mind doesn't feature any transformations and i havent seen One Shall Rise part 3 yet but i can definatley discern from memory that all the others on that list featured at least one transformation. Furthermore it seems like an assumtion someone made after having watched a couple of episodes and we shouldn't have assumptions on this wiki. [[User:Flydie|Flydie]] 12:05, 22 November 2011 (EST)
:Optimus, Bulkhead, Ratchet, Bumblebee, and Starscream all transform at least once in Shadowzone. Bumblebee and Bulkhead transform from vehicle to robot in Scrapheap. Starscream and Soundwave transform into jets to fly away from the exploding Makeshift/Wheeljack in Con Job. And While not really a transformation but Lazer beak transforms from chest piece to Bird mode and Airachnid goes in to spider mode in One Shall Rise Part 3.[[Special:Contributions/71.255.174.119|71.255.174.119]] 13:05, 30 June 2012 (EDT)

== Nathan Fillion ==

Do we have a source on his involvement or the other two for that matter. [[User:Flydie|Flydie]] 16:11, 17 December 2011 (EST)
:Yes. Yes, we do! Though it would been nice if TFW2005 had said in their article who at Auto Assembly revealed the news (Kaye's confirmed it over Twitter, so we know it's true anyways, but I wanted to link to the original news), and none of the sources I found for the NYCC announcement of Fillion seemed like his casting was firm. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:59, 17 December 2011 (EST)
::http://tformers.com/article.php?sid=16642 I am putting this here for something to point to if this comes up again. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 20:43, 9 February 2012 (EST)

== HUB- Season 2 ==
The HUB website says the second series will premere on Febuary 18th @ 8:30 p.m. Probably shouldn't post this as I can`t figure out if it's true or not. [[Special:Contributions/208.111.201.121|208.111.201.121]] 21:26, 5 January 2012 (EST)
:It's on the Hub's site, so unless someone's made a mistake, we should go with it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:04, 5 January 2012 (EST)

== Voice of Bumblebee ==

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elijah_Wood#Television

It says here that Elijah Wood will be voicing Bumblebee. {{unsigned|69.19.14.39|20:19, 7 January 2012 (EST)}}
:Whoever added the information to Wikipedia did not even cite a source. It is very probably false. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:27, 7 January 2012 (EST)

== Dead Character Column? ==

Hey guys, freak'n shot in the dark here, but can we make a 'Dead Character' tab in the cast columns? I'm only suggesting this because more characters seem to get obliterated off the main and supporting cast list every episode, lately. And if ''somehow'' said 'offed' character comes back to life, then we can add them back to the main list of 'living' characters.

Characters that got their bucket's kicked:

Cliffjumper, Makeshift, Tailgate, Skyquake, Seaspray, Breakdown ;(

Just something to consider. [[User:Arcee-Cola|Arcee-Cola]] 6:15, 30 March 2012 (EDT)
:No. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:41, 31 March 2012 (EDT)

== Rogue Decepticons ==
Should we put the rouge Decepticons (Airachnid and Starscream) in the "other" category? -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 15:40, 1 April 2012 (EDT)
:I don't think it's necessary to move characters around on the cast list for the main cartoon page as their allegiances shift. Blackarachnia is in the Predacon column on the Beast Wars page, for instance. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:11, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

we could put them in the "other" space [[User:Jacktransformerdude|JackXD]] 23:16, 18 June 2012 (EDT)

== Nemesis Prime's Faction ==

Why Nemeis Prime's name is in Decepticons list? He is not related to Decepticons at all. Shouldn't he considered as 'Others'? -- [[User:Thunderweb|Thunderweb]] 05:48, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
:I've removed it, because he's not even a character. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 06:07, 8 April 2012 (EDT)

== character list needs editing again ==

the character list needs updating, in the 'other list': starscream clones, nemasis prime, starscream and ahracnid could stay in the decepticon section to make less hassle. thanks

== Vehicons & Insecticons in the column ==

Just a thought, should the Vehicons and Insecticons (and probably the Terrorcons) have their own section in the Decepticon characters column, under something like sub-factions? The Vehicons aren't technically main characters. --[[User:Prime Temple]] 21 May 2012 (EDT)