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Talk:Transformers: Energon (cartoon)

2012-01-22T18:38:33Z

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Just because the person adding the entry feels the show was "suffering" for American viewers does not make it fact. That entry will be deleted and should be, as it's entirely and only a matter of opinion and doesn't relate to the Energon storyline or toyline. -Bodycount

"Many fans found Energon an improvement over Armada in story and writing" at first, but the later part is debatible X-BoB58

==Wait...==

Why did "Maintenance script" delete everything on the page? The previous edit seemed like it restored the page from the virus crash, and then Maintenance script just erases it all. Was that a mistake? [[User:Fiction Alchemist|C.V. Reynolds]] 06:52, 20 March 2009 (EDT)

==Episode list==

I've pasted in the episode lists from the templates that were here before we started working on the wiki. However, I'm not sure on what basis the list is split into two seasons. I've left it split for now, but, does anybody have a justification for this split?

--[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:16, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Why is there no entry or potential entry for "Distribution", aka "Special Dream Match" aka "The writers took a day off"?--Squidhead

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Just wondering if these pages are going to get general Series Summaries/Overviews at some point? Fact is for a variety of reasons I havn't watched a TF toon regularly since the middle of Armada so I'd really love detailed summaries of Energon and Cybertron (and the end of Arm. to make it up here.

Well, yes, eventually. I think the problem is, though, MOST of us were utterly lost or disinterested with the Energon cartoon, so, well, even summarising is going to be tricky. Persoanlly, I can't even remember which epsiode is which... at least with Armada and cybertron there are "guides" available (Micron Legend Yearbook and the CN site)... Energon? eeg. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:50, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
:Add to that that there are quite a few episodes where it literally seemed like nothing happened. Such was the pacing of Energon.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 04:31, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey we know that there are no DVDs nor Videos of Transformers Energon so lets all watch it on Youtube. Its smarter, cost free and its faster to know things.([[User:Anti-Spammer|Anti-Spammer]] 20:48, 31 October 2007 (UTC))

==Negatives==
Man, I have a list a mile wide of things that were wrong about the show in general. I've been resisting adding a sentence about how all vehicle modes were immune to gravity-- nay, all physics, allowing even Hot Shot to float through the air at his whim, negating any reason for differing vehicle modes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:33, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
:It's incredibly tempting to say "toss it in there". I mean, as it stands, the article makes it sound like the dub was the only thing wrong with the show, which is, not to put to fine a point on it, a phenomenal pile of steaming bullshit. Hell, the pacing apparently didn't even appeal to JAPAN, what with ''Galaxy Force'' at first pretending the previous shows didn't exist. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:39, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, I just watched a later ep on YouTube ("Improsoned Inferno" [''sic!'']). Snowcat and Demolishor just transform and drive off into the air. Everyone's animated ''exactly'' like their toy. I counted six instances of characters going "Uh?" or some variant thereof. Alpha-Q doesn't move his mouths at all when speaking. A red sun casts ordinary yellow-sun light. Dramatic battles begin and then suddenly cut away. It goes on and on! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:09, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Hey, remember when I said I was going to [[Talk: Cybertron City (episode)|do Energon episode summaries]]? Yeah, I'm totally not now. It's certainly more ''watchable'' in Japanese - I'm generally not left staring at the screen going "What the fuck was that?", and I'm appreciating moments of character interaction now that they ''make sense'' - but 31 episodes in, I'm totally deprived of any desire to write about it. Well, I might do the undubbed episode, which I'm about to come up to... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 23:33, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

*pant* *huff* I think... my hate reserviors... have been emptied... it will take time before they refill... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 00:33, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

== Reference sources ==

Okay, I usually don't' do this, but since Paramount as as much as said- "Man, Energon is so bad we're gonna skip it and just put out Cybertron on DVD...", here's a couple of the sources good for quick reference.

[http://www.veoh.com/search.html?type=v&searchId=38148982242797083&search=transformers+energon ~2/3 of Energon is on Veoh for streaming] 
[http://tvnihon.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=166 Most of Super Link (subbed) is ready for direct download]

Buy the DVD's people. I do even though the gather dust on my shelf while I watch the much-more-convenient encodes. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:29, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

==Featured Characters Classifications==
Question regarding featured characters: What are opinions on how Terrorcons and Mini-Cons should be handled?
* For instance, Scorponok, while briefly conscipted into the Decepticon forces, was pretty explicitely not a Decepticon, neither at the beginning of the series, nor after Megatron tied him up and sent him into the energon grid as bait. Therefore, I've had him listed as a Terrorcon (or, "Other") at the beginning, a Decepticon after Megatron beat him and branded him, and then as a Terrorcon again after pretty clearly defecting.
* The Mini-Cons, while working for the Autobots, are still a separate faction.--[[User:Shellspark|Shellspark]] 17:59, 26 March 2009 (EDT)

==Do Energon fans exist?==

Surely there must be some, statistically. There are THOUSANDS of Transfans: some must have enough tolerance for bad dubbing, poor animation, and incoherent scripting to find some kinda jewels beneath.

So should the article be made more balanced to reflect their concerns? If they exist? I say so only because at the moment the entire thing is a merciless leap at the series' jugular... {{unsigned|Black Mage|03:47, 4 May 2009}}
:There've been a dozen Transformers series. One of them has to be the worst. That's Energon.
:Sometimes there's debate about which series is the worst-- TF has quite a few stinker or unpopular incarnations after all. The thing is... there ''isn't'' debate about it anymore. Energon settled the issue, just like [[Kiss Players (franchise)|Kiss Players]] settled the "raping my childhood" debate by ''actually'' raping your childhood. Energon is the worst Transformers series by such a wide and universal margin... there's no point in pretending it's otherwise.
:It's the worst cartoon I've ever seen on TV. Not the worst Transformers cartoon-- the worst ''cartoon''. Of '''anything'''. Even amid a sea of crap, Energon would sink near the bottom.
:There are people who think history has been unkind to Adolph Hitler. "You should be more evenhanded," they say, "or at least stop spreading rumors that one of his testicles was bitten off by a goat when he was a child."
:You can say the constant negative tone is making the article less informative-- I might ''agree'' with you-- but the fact remains that Adolph Hitler became a vegitarian because he couldn't chew meat without thinking of that goat's teeth crunching down on his left nut, masticating it, grinding it up into a fine Austrian paste... then swallowing.
:Maybe that'll teach him not to try to have sex with a goat. (By which I mean-- that will, and ''has'' taught Hasbro not to co-produce with Japan. I don't think they will ever attempt it again.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:26, 4 May 2009 (EDT)

I've actually seen a number of Youtube commenters proclaiming Energon their favorite so there's...that. I personally like the first half, at least. {{unsigned|173.71.84.186|17:39, 19 August 2009}}

:Challenge the assertions in the writeup on a case-by-case basis, for all the good it'll do. They're all based on demonstrable facts. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:20, 19 August 2009 (EDT)

== Include Superlink-only info in italics? ==

I've spent the last few weeks working my way through ''Energon'', and as the writeups frequently note, various plot points (eg why Tidal Wave hates Shockblast, and, well, everything in "Return! Our Scorponok!") were removed from ''Superlink''.

Might it be an idea to include this info on the relevant character pages in italics, like how the Marvel UK stories are integrated into the G1 articles? --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 16:16, 17 May 2010 (EDT)
:Some of the character pages already use italics for "Return! Our Scorponok!" but need a note explaining why. Yes it sounds like a good idea. Here is a template: <nowiki>{{noteslonly}}</nowiki> - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:57, 17 May 2010 (EDT)

==CGI==
I hate to bring this up but the spotty CGI animation was probably more due to Japan not being really in to the Full CGI that mainframe used. Anime is really focused on the Cel shaded animation. it's the same reasion that they still do sentai and godzilla with guy's in suits.--[[Special:Contributions/216.193.153.184|216.193.153.184]] 22:18, 7 April 2011 (EDT)
:And yet Machine Robo Rescue which came out around the same time was devoid of those problems. Likewise there was that Bandai dinotransformer show that was on around the time as well, equally lacking in Energon's flaws... And then there's Transformers Prime, animated by a Japanese studio. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:23, 7 April 2011 (EDT)

== Change of director? ==

One thought has struck me of what could be the reason for Energon's decline.
According to Anime News Network, the director of Transformers Energon is '''Jun Kawagoe''' who has actually directed some awesome animes. New Getter Robo, SRW OG - The Animation, Koutetsushin Jeeg and Mazinkaiser SKL. All awesome shows but also short ones.

It also says there was a second director, '''Yutaka Sato''' .

My theory is that Kawagoe might be better at directing short series. Because when you think of it, the first half or quarter of Energon is very fastpaced, there's a lot of action, development and revelations. Then it falls apart.

Is it possible that Kawagoe could have directed the first part of Energon and eventually reached his limit, and then handed it over to Sato who might be a complete hack or didn't know what to do with the plot?

But this is just my theory and I could be completely wrong. But if it seems possible, could it be something worth mentioning on the Plotting section in Critisism? {{unsigned|217.210.162.147}}

Talk:Transformers: Energon (cartoon)

2012-01-22T16:21:46Z

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Optimus Supreme

2011-11-06T13:18:12Z

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{{disambig2|episode 37 of the ''[[Energon (cartoon)|Energon]]'' cartoon|the [[Powerlinx]] combination of [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Omega Supreme]]|Optimus Prime Super Modes#Unicron Trilogy}}

{{episode|
|series=Energon
|series2=Transformers: Super Link
|ep=37
|ep2=38
|prev=The Power of Unicron
|next=Unicron Perishes
|title="Optimus Supreme"
|japanese=死闘! オメガコンボイ
|romaji=Shitō! Omega Convoy
|translation=Struggle to the Death! Omega Convoy
|image=E37_titlecard.jpg
|caption=
|production code=
|production company=[[TV Tokyo]], [[Nihon Ad Systems|NAS]]
|writer=[[Shōji Tonoike]]
|director=[[Kei'ichirō Kawaguchi]]
|animation studio=[[Actas Inc.|Actas]], [[Studio A-CAT]] (3D)
|airdate=[[September 24|24 September]] [[2004]] (Japanese) [[November 16]], 2004 (English)
|continuity=[[Unicron Trilogy]]
}}

'''The Autobots struggle to stop Unicron's planet-destroying rampage.'''

==Synopsis==
[[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] laughs madly while [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s alike panic as [[Unicron]] returns to life. The Autobots attack, aiming for the monster's eyes, but he swats them aside and begins destroying [[Blizzard Planet]] with energies from his chest. On Unicron's surface, [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] [[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Supreme]] tries to push Unicron away from the planet on his own, and the Autobots move to help.

On the mysterious world, [[Arcee (Energon)|Arcee]] reports Unicron's attack to the others. [[Kicker Jones|Kicker]] and [[Misha Miramond|Misha]] go help, but [[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]] remains behind in the pouring rain, talking to [[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]], who doesn't seem to remember much about anything. Ironhide tells Scorponok that Megatron destroyed his master, [[Alpha Quintesson|Alpha Q]], but Scorponok remembers that he now serves Megatron and attacks.

[[Image:Energon-Megatron-Two-Minds.jpg|230px|thumb|left|They say that talking to oneself is the first sign of [[Galvatron (G1)|madness]].]]

Omega tells Prime that in the [[rift (Energon)|void]] of space, the normal laws of physics don't apply, and that he does have the power to stop Unicron.

[[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] saves [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Mirage]] from being dragged back into Unicron. Within, Unicron and Megatron argue and struggle for control of the Decepticons. Summoned by his master, Scorponok abandons the fight with Ironhide.

Unicron has absorbed most of Blizzard Planet, but Prime continues struggling against him. Then the energy blast stops, Unicron rears back, and in a single blast, he vaporizes what remains of Blizzard Planet. As the remnants are absorbed, the Autobots struggle not to be consumed as well. Kicker prepares to round up all the damaged Autobots.

On [[Earth]], Kicker's family wonder how he's doing. [[Rad White|Rad]] arrives and informs [[Brian Jones (Energon)|Dr. Jones]] that there's a problem—something is happening in the core.

[[Image:Energon-Unicron-Sucks.jpg|230px|thumb|right|Make your own joke about this series sucking.]]

The ''[[Miranda II]]'' follows Unicron toward [[Circuit Planet]]. Aboard, most of the Autobots are healing in the infirmary.

Rad and Dr. Jones note that Optimus needs them to send all their remaining [[energon (fuel)|energon]]. Suddenly [[Primus]] speaks, bidding his Cybertron warriors to arise. An energy pulse bursts forth from Cybertron.

Omega and Optimus go to stop Unicron on their own, over the others' protests. Attacking solo, their combined form causes some damage, but mostly serves to incite Unicron to fire back. The ''Miranda II'' arrives in time to shield Prime. The other Autobots join the attack, and Prime and Omega together manage to inflict considerable damage.

Unicron glows and powers up, opens fire on the Autobots, then blasts Circuit Planet with his energy beams, destroying it. His men rendered inoperative, Optimus attacks again with Omega Supreme, with Unicron paying particular attention to him. As defeat seems imminent, Primus's energy pulse arrives from Cybertron, repowering and [[spontaneous recoloration|recoloring]] all the Autobots.

His limbs expanded to planet size, Optimus Supreme reaches out from the light and hurls Unicron away. The two titans face off in space.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] (2)
* [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] (3)
* [[Rodimus (Energon)|Rodimus]] (8)
* [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] (9)
* [[Downshift (Energon)|Downshift]] (10)
* [[Cliffjumper (Energon)|Cliffjumper]] (11)
* [[Bulkhead (Energon)|Bulkhead]] (12)
* [[Wing Saber (Energon)|Wing Saber]] (13)
* [[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]] (14)
* [[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]] (15)
* [[Arcee (Energon)|Arcee]] (18)
* [[Roadblock (Energon)|Roadblock]] (21)
* [[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Omega Supreme]] (29)
* [[Prowl (Energon)|Prowl]] (30)

|c2=
* [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] (4)
* [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Snow Cat]] (5)
* [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]] (6)
* [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Mirage]] (7)
* [[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]] (19)
* [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] (20)

|c3=
* [[Kicker Jones]] (16)
* [[Misha Miramond]] (17)
* [[Sally Jones]] (22)
* [[Brian Jones (Energon)|Brian Jones]] (23)
* [[Miranda Jones]] (24)
* [[Rad White]] (25)

|c4=
* [[Unicron]] (1)
* [[Primus]] (26)

}}

==Quotes==
"I need more Energon!" 
"My, my men... Where, where... Where are all my men hiding?" 
"We-need-Energon!" 
"If I had any Energon I would give you some, so just back off! Now, tell me where are my men." 
"They're mine, and I'm going to consume them!" 
"No you're not. You'll have to get through me first, so you'd better tell me where they're hidi-" 
"Energon!"
:-'''Unicron''' and '''Megatron''' have a conversation about nothing in particular.

"If my will is strong enough, the Autobots will prevail!"
:—'''Optimus Prime''' has a keen insight into Japanese story mechanics

"We must do what we can. We have no other option!"
:—'''Dr. Jones''' refuses to do things he can't do.

"Come on, Hot Shot! It's time to turn Unicron into a hunk of Swiss cheese!" 
"Forget cheese, Ironhide! Let's make sure we do what we came to do!"
:—'''Ironhide''' to '''Hot Shot''', who really doesn't understand metaphors at all

"Unbelievable. Unicron should have been destroyed. I will ''not'' allow him to win! ...no! I shall never give up! Even to my last breath! This ends here, Unicron!"
:—'''Optimus Prime''' rambles on in typical ''Energon'' fashion

==Notes==
===Lost in translation===
* The entire opening sequence is missing from the dub. It's just silent shots of Kicker, Ironhide, and Misha standing in the dark, in the rain, illuminated only by Ironhide's spotlights, gathered around a flower, in memory of Alpha Q. The omission makes it ''very'' confusing when the action cuts back to them later in the episode.
* In '''Super Link''', Unicron-Megatron says that all will be consumed when he first see him, showing that he has completely taken Megatron over. '''Energon''' says that everything will be consumed by Unicron, making it seem like Megatron has just gone insane and is now Unicron's servant rather than being possessed by him.
* Omega's ridiculous claim that "the laws of physics don't apply" is... ''slightly'' less ridiculous in ''Super Link'', since he says that ''size'' does not matter in this reality. Just ''mentioning'' that they're in a different reality, as they have been since passing through [[Rift (Energon)|the rift]], also helps. A little.
* In ''Super Link'', Snow Cat and Demolishor let Mirage get pulled back into Unicron by tentacles after realizing that ''saving'' him isn't very Decepticon-like. The dub omits the gag entirely.
* In the original, Megatron's Unicron face says that all will be consumed, and Megatron responds that he may consume any planets he wants, but cannot consume his subordinates. Unicron then reiterates that all includes them. The dub has the above Unicron-Megatron conversation, which makes much less sense...
* The ridiculous "If my will is strong" quote isn't entirely a dub fabrication; in fact, it's basically a simplified version of a long rant from Omega Supreme.
* Kicker suggests that Misha and Arcee "abandon ship". It's a mangled translation of Misha saying that they need to keep the ship away from Blizzard Planet's death throes.
* Yet again, Primus is omitted from the dub, replaced by "the core". Primus urges Rad and Dr. Jones to send the Autobots all of his power; the humans protest that this will kill him, but Primus points out that if they don't do it, the result will be the same. (In the next scene, Primus suddenly speaks.)
* Prime's monologue in the repair chambers: dub addition. The original features silence over the stark editing, explaining the severity of Prime's orders and concern for the others' safety in a following scene.
* All non-Optimus characters' lines after Unicron destroys Circuit Planet: dub additions. Notably absurd ones include Ironhide's "Did Optimus create all this?" and Kicker's "I think we made it, Optimus!"

===Pain count===
* "Uh?": 4
* Stock footage: 1
* "Time to": 2
* "We must"/"We've gotta": 4
* "Listen up, men": 1

===Animation and technical errors===
[[Image:E37 icannotunseeit.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Hey look, it's Barry Bonds!]]
* The image at right was produced.
* While strafing Unicron, Optimus's face is squished to half its normal height within his helmet.

===Continuity errors===
* Scorponok was last seen getting blown out of Unicron into space, and Ironhide, Misha and Kicker were with the other Autobots on the ''Miranda II''. How'd they get... wherever it is they are?
* [[The Power of Unicron|Last episode]], Megatron's possession by Unicron was represented by Orange eyes, the same as [[Shockblast]]. This time, he's covered in a green honeycomb pattern and has green eyes.
* While fighting Unicron, Optimus Supreme drops down and ''lands'' on one knee... in space. He then jumps up, ''pushing off'' of the same nonexistant plane he landed on.

===Trivia===
* Paramount Home Video's DVD release renamaes the episode as Optimus Supreme Bulks Up on the DVD title screen. The episode title card remains the same.
* ''Cameos'': [[Nekomimi A and Nekomimi B]] can barely be seen in the background of the cafeteria where the Joneses are eating.
* At one point, Hot Shot loses his gun, as it's knocked away by a piece of debris. Almost immediately, he powerlinks with Roadblock, allowing him to continue firing. It's a clever use of the powerlinx gimmick, something all too rare in the show.
* After so many episodes of [[Scott McNeil]] forced to [[Beast Wars|talk to himself]], it's now [[David Kaye]]'s turn. Unfortunately, the lines make absolutely no sense.

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;DVD
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2005 — ''Transformer: Super Link'' — Volume 010 ([[Interchannel]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2008 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — The Ultimate Collection ([[Paramount Pictures|Paramount]])

[[Category:Energon episodes]]