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Talk:Tunnel Vision (episode)

2012-05-09T04:10:28Z

72.64.5.105: /* Conservation of Insecticon-su. */

Isn't it more plausable that Knock Out's "Nip and tuck" line was merely a reference to the plastic surgery procedure, and not the show named after it?--[[User:Tindalos|Tindalos]] 11:03, 6 May 2012 (EDT)
: Yes. Very much so. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:13, 6 May 2012 (EDT)

== Phase Shifter "Error" ==

Isn't this a "problem" with almost every instance of an individual being able to "phase" through things? Usually, unless they're actively trying to do so, they tend to stay in place/move around as if they had "solid" feet. [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] 13:29, 6 May 2012 (EDT)
:That and they explicitly said that its "handy when you need to pass through solid objects, '''or vice versa'''."--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 14:02, 6 May 2012 (EDT)

== Conservation of Insecticon-su. ==

Is it me, or have they changed the power of insecticons -again-? Crossfire - One is almost too much for Megatron, Armada - They go down like flies, Tunnel Vision - One seems not to even -feel- when it gets shot. [[Special:Contributions/125.239.114.28|125.239.114.28]] 08:20, 7 May 2012 (EDT)
: Well in Crossfire and Armada they were under Airachnid's mind control, so during Armada her attention was divided and could theoretically make the insecticons less effective. Now that they are independent, their effectiveness goes back to what we saw in Orion Pax Part 3. Of course, if another episode later shows multiple insecticons dropping like flies this theory is scrap.--[[User:Megabob452|Megabob452]] 13:20, 7 May 2012 (EDT)
:: That... is an awesome explanation. So Megatron controls them through loyalty, Airachnid through mind control. Wonder what'll happen if Shockwave ever appears. [[Special:Contributions/222.153.251.249|222.153.251.249]] 00:11, 8 May 2012 (EDT)
:::Here's another thought, a lack of energon. Skyquake seemed to be in some kind of stasis device when he was introduced. Starscream's energon infusion to both appaerntly open the container and reawaken Skyquake. We have no idea how long the Insecticon in Crossfire was out of it's stasis pod, but it was out of the pod when we first see it. In Armada Airachnid releases the Insecticons from their pods before sending them to attack the Nemisis and destroy Megatron. It could be that prolonged duration in stasis weakens a Transformer and they need to get an energon infusion to get back to full strength. That would likely also explain the difference in the Insecticons strength levels between episodes, by Tunnel Vision the Insecticons have finally had a little energon and their up to full strength making them tougher in battle. -annonymous 5/8/2012 12:48 AM EST
::::That's cool and all, but it's all speculation. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:33, 8 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::Which is why it's not posted in the actual page. But it is something to watch for in the future. Or even for someone who knows how to get in tough with the right people (which I have no real knowledge of how to do so) to contact and see if their willing to say anything. It may be something worth noting that Skyquake didn't show any signs of weakness (save for not having a alt form) when he came out of his container while the insecticons clearly did. But it's not worth noting any of these theories in the actual pages until we have an offical explination of some kind. - annonymous 5/09/2012

Talk:Tunnel Vision (episode)

2012-05-08T04:48:53Z

72.64.5.105: /* Conservation of Insecticon-su. */

Talk:Flying Mind

2012-05-04T13:27:07Z

72.64.5.105: /* question on error section */

I found a different description for the episode that is pretty much the same except it says the Nemesis becomes sentient. Shouldn't the description be changed on here?

==''Nemesis'' or Trypticon?==
So is the speaking thing supposed to be Trypticon, or the ''Nemesis''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s computer? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 23:43, 28 April 2012 (EDT)
:It's left open to interpretation. The intelligence is not named or explained in any way, and is credited as "Warship". --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:12, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::The wiki seems to be assuming it is Trypticon, going by the Trypticon (Prime) page... should we be? [[Special:Contributions/118.93.48.54|118.93.48.54]] 22:36, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
:::My thoughts exactly. We do not have any confirmation that the Nemesis IS Trypticon. And it still remains fairly ambiguous whether Exiles is to be taken into account or not. [[User:Rayqui|Rayqui]] 03:18, 30 April 2012 (EDT)
::::Agreed. The Warship hasn't even been named on the show, so who knows if it is in fact "The Nemesis", yet alone Trypticon. I don't think 'EXODUS' or 'EXILES' should be viewed as the Prime 'bible', as TF novels are notorious for being ignored by other media. {{unsigned|75.118.37.154|23:06, 30 April 2012 (EDT)}}
:::::One: sign your posts. Two: get your facts right. The Nemesis HAS been named before. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 23:14, 30 April 2012 (EDT)
::::::But the Nemesis has never been named "Trypticon", or even alluded to, in TF Prime. The merge was really too hasty. [[User:Rayqui|Rayqui]] 08:33, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::::Can further discussion of the issue please be held on [[Talk:Trypticon (Prime)]] since that's the article it concerns? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:34, 1 May 2012 (EDT)

==Voice actor==
Who voices the ''Nemesis'' anyway?[[Special:Contributions/71.255.166.246|71.255.166.246]] 23:54, 28 April 2012 (EDT)
:Kevin Michael Richardson. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:12, 29 April 2012 (EDT)

==Soundwave==
Soundwave also shows signs of sentience, since the beginning he has only showed his opposition to Airachnid's command back in Orion Pax.
Now, when Trypticon ( or the Nemesis ) gave Megs a headache just like Unicron did, and Megatron said to regain control of the vessel, Soundwave acts weirdly, he tries to set things back quickly, as opposed to everything he has done before, he does everything smoothly and without any hurrying.
Does this need to be pointed ?
--[[User:SnipinScientist]] , 29 April 2012
:Uh, when was it ever claimed that Soundwave is non-sentient? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:32, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::Seems to me Soundwave showed sentience back in Masters and Students when he sent his deployer to observe Starscream "rescue" Megatron rather than just blindly following Starscream's orders to observe Skyquake terminate Prime. And again in Sick Mind when he basically orders Starscream and Knockout to reattach Megatron's life support after Arcee shot it off. Oh and going bak to Darkness Rising Part 5 he chooses to deliberately cut the ground line with the axe, clearly knowing that by doing so no one can change the direction the radio dish is locked onto. Soundwave doesn't speak, that's not failing to show signs of sentience. Oh and it was One Shall Rise Part 3, not any part of Orion Pax, where Soundwave opposed Airachnid's attempted takeover. -annonymous 5/4/2012 8:53 AM EST

==Dark Energon==
Since Unicron has been killed, neutralised to vapor, whatever, shouldn't Dark Energon be useless ? And Why did they stop searching for other deposits and using it ? --[[User:SnipinScientist]] , 29 April 2012
:Why would Dark Energon be useless if Unicron is dead? There's no evidence it requires his will to revive the dead. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:34, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::We don't know for certain if Unicron is dead or not, only that Prime may have succeeded in extinguishing his spark. However, Energon is supposed to come from Primus and according to what's revealed in One Shall Rise Primus became one with the Core of Cybertron. Cybertron's supposed to be a dead planet. If Cybertron is dead, then wouldn't Primus be dead? If Primus is dead, then shouldn't energon be useless if dark energon becomes useless if Unicron is dead?

== WTC ==
Sorry if this seems like a stupid question, but should it be noted that this is the first time the World Trade Center has been seen in a Transformers cartoon since 9/11? -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 21:09, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
:Does the WTC actually appear? I don't see it in the shot of Manhattan at the end. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:51, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::Look carefully at the last shot, it's over on the left side. It's the tower under construction that comes from under a cloud. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 22:54, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
:::It's also in the first half a second of the Tunnel Vision promo. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 22:59, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::::So are we noting it? -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 18:33, 30 April 2012 (EDT)
:::::If it can be proven with a screenshot.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 16:47, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::Why is this something that absolutely needs to be noted? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:03, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::::Carrion- Here it is. [[Image:WTC in Flying Mind.jpg|thumb|200px]] Interrobang- [[User: Abates|other]] [[User: Carrion|people]] seem to think its worthy to note, so..... -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 17:07, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::::I'm finding myself agreeing with Interrobang. There really is no reason to make a big deal out of this. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:09, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::It woulda been notable if they'd accidentally used a shot with the old WTC in. The new one, probably not. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:23, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::::::Okay. I'll still put in the picture, without the circle, just because the article needs images. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 17:30, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::::Regardless, those black bars shouldn't be there in the final image. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:32, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::::::::A contextless picture of Manhattan isn't an useful image for an episode's page. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:50, 1 May 2012 (EDT)

== Pictures ==
Ok, so I added some pictures. They need captions, since I have a horrible sense of humor and any I put in will probably be deleted immediately. Also, I would have uploaded a picture of the Nemesis, but I could not find a shot of it without the Hub logo on it. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 17:57, 1 May 2012 (EDT)

=question on error section=

doesn't his eyes turn purple when he is using dark energon? {{unsigned|156.33.195.254}}
:That's what I thought, too. Although he always has dark energon in him (I think), infusing the Nemesis with it might have turned his eyes purple. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spyder]] 21:53, 2 May 2012 (EDT)
::I think you're right Spydersix about it always being in him. Also, does it seem that whenever he gets around dark energon now his eyes turn purple and his insignia glows? Or whenever he intends to use it.

Talk:Flying Mind

2012-05-04T13:18:38Z

72.64.5.105: /* Dark Energon */

Talk:Flying Mind

2012-05-04T12:53:47Z

72.64.5.105: /* Soundwave */

I found a different description for the episode that is pretty much the same except it says the Nemesis becomes sentient. Shouldn't the description be changed on here?

==''Nemesis'' or Trypticon?==
So is the speaking thing supposed to be Trypticon, or the ''Nemesis''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s computer? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 23:43, 28 April 2012 (EDT)
:It's left open to interpretation. The intelligence is not named or explained in any way, and is credited as "Warship". --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:12, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::The wiki seems to be assuming it is Trypticon, going by the Trypticon (Prime) page... should we be? [[Special:Contributions/118.93.48.54|118.93.48.54]] 22:36, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
:::My thoughts exactly. We do not have any confirmation that the Nemesis IS Trypticon. And it still remains fairly ambiguous whether Exiles is to be taken into account or not. [[User:Rayqui|Rayqui]] 03:18, 30 April 2012 (EDT)
::::Agreed. The Warship hasn't even been named on the show, so who knows if it is in fact "The Nemesis", yet alone Trypticon. I don't think 'EXODUS' or 'EXILES' should be viewed as the Prime 'bible', as TF novels are notorious for being ignored by other media. {{unsigned|75.118.37.154|23:06, 30 April 2012 (EDT)}}
:::::One: sign your posts. Two: get your facts right. The Nemesis HAS been named before. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 23:14, 30 April 2012 (EDT)
::::::But the Nemesis has never been named "Trypticon", or even alluded to, in TF Prime. The merge was really too hasty. [[User:Rayqui|Rayqui]] 08:33, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::::Can further discussion of the issue please be held on [[Talk:Trypticon (Prime)]] since that's the article it concerns? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:34, 1 May 2012 (EDT)

==Voice actor==
Who voices the ''Nemesis'' anyway?[[Special:Contributions/71.255.166.246|71.255.166.246]] 23:54, 28 April 2012 (EDT)
:Kevin Michael Richardson. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:12, 29 April 2012 (EDT)

==Soundwave==
Soundwave also shows signs of sentience, since the beginning he has only showed his opposition to Airachnid's command back in Orion Pax.
Now, when Trypticon ( or the Nemesis ) gave Megs a headache just like Unicron did, and Megatron said to regain control of the vessel, Soundwave acts weirdly, he tries to set things back quickly, as opposed to everything he has done before, he does everything smoothly and without any hurrying.
Does this need to be pointed ?
--[[User:SnipinScientist]] , 29 April 2012
:Uh, when was it ever claimed that Soundwave is non-sentient? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:32, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::Seems to me Soundwave showed sentience back in Masters and Students when he sent his deployer to observe Starscream "rescue" Megatron rather than just blindly following Starscream's orders to observe Skyquake terminate Prime. And again in Sick Mind when he basically orders Starscream and Knockout to reattach Megatron's life support after Arcee shot it off. Oh and going bak to Darkness Rising Part 5 he chooses to deliberately cut the ground line with the axe, clearly knowing that by doing so no one can change the direction the radio dish is locked onto. Soundwave doesn't speak, that's not failing to show signs of sentience. Oh and it was One Shall Rise Part 3, not any part of Orion Pax, where Soundwave opposed Airachnid's attempted takeover. -annonymous 5/4/2012 8:53 AM EST

==Dark Energon==
Since Unicron has been killed, neutralised to vapor, whatever, shouldn't Dark Energon be useless ? And Why did they stop searching for other deposits and using it ? --[[User:SnipinScientist]] , 29 April 2012
:Why would Dark Energon be useless if Unicron is dead? There's no evidence it requires his will to revive the dead. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:34, 29 April 2012 (EDT)

== WTC ==
Sorry if this seems like a stupid question, but should it be noted that this is the first time the World Trade Center has been seen in a Transformers cartoon since 9/11? -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 21:09, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
:Does the WTC actually appear? I don't see it in the shot of Manhattan at the end. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:51, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::Look carefully at the last shot, it's over on the left side. It's the tower under construction that comes from under a cloud. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 22:54, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
:::It's also in the first half a second of the Tunnel Vision promo. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 22:59, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::::So are we noting it? -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 18:33, 30 April 2012 (EDT)
:::::If it can be proven with a screenshot.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 16:47, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::Why is this something that absolutely needs to be noted? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:03, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::::Carrion- Here it is. [[Image:WTC in Flying Mind.jpg|thumb|200px]] Interrobang- [[User: Abates|other]] [[User: Carrion|people]] seem to think its worthy to note, so..... -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 17:07, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::::I'm finding myself agreeing with Interrobang. There really is no reason to make a big deal out of this. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:09, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::It woulda been notable if they'd accidentally used a shot with the old WTC in. The new one, probably not. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:23, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::::::Okay. I'll still put in the picture, without the circle, just because the article needs images. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 17:30, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::::Regardless, those black bars shouldn't be there in the final image. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:32, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::::::::A contextless picture of Manhattan isn't an useful image for an episode's page. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:50, 1 May 2012 (EDT)

== Pictures ==
Ok, so I added some pictures. They need captions, since I have a horrible sense of humor and any I put in will probably be deleted immediately. Also, I would have uploaded a picture of the Nemesis, but I could not find a shot of it without the Hub logo on it. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 17:57, 1 May 2012 (EDT)

=question on error section=

doesn't his eyes turn purple when he is using dark energon? {{unsigned|156.33.195.254}}
:That's what I thought, too. Although he always has dark energon in him (I think), infusing the Nemesis with it might have turned his eyes purple. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spyder]] 21:53, 2 May 2012 (EDT)