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Electric Train and Battle Set

2010-11-23T02:59:30Z

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The '''Electric Train and Battle Set''' is an HO-scale model train set manufactured by [[Tyco]] in [[1985]]. The set includes a diesel switcher with a "Search Mode", a gondola with coal/"proton laser cannon", a box car/weapon center, and a caboose/"Battlestar ship", all in a matching silver paint scheme with a red stripe. The set additionally includes a number of static Autobot and Decepticon figurines, the buildings for a power plant, track, a cardboard layout mat, and a power pack.

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[[Image:TRAIN0.JPG|thumb|right|200px|Amazing!]]
The main focus of the set was the engine and cars. The engine was a slightly modified working switch engine. It transformed into "search mode" by lifting a hinged panel on the front-left side of the diesel engine and raising a ball-and-socket mounted concave plank on top; the transformation did not hinder the operation of the engine in any way.
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[[Image:TRAIN1.JPG|thumb|left|200px|Truly the pinnacle of 80's engineering.]]
The gondola car came with a plank that represented a pile of coal on one side and a non-firing "proton laser cannon" on the other. The cannon was mounted on to the underside of the coal by a small peg which allowed it to swivel horizontally. Another hinge allowed it to raise vertically. Swiveling the cannon too far to one side or the other without weighing down the gondola car resulted in the car tipping.
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[[Image:TRAIN2.JPG|thumb|right|200px|This is every bit as awesome as it looks.]]
The box car unfolded into a "weapon center" in which the included figures could fit. Both sides were identical, except for the spot on top where a box with a concave dish mount could be affixed. The weapon center consisted of two overhangs and two boxes with window slats attached by hinges that allowed the boxes to swivel 180 degrees for a wide variety of configurations.
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[[Image:TRAIN3.JPG|thumb|left|200px|Caboose is the only one with a proper robot mode. He turns into an "Battlestar Ship". With eyes. And a beak.]]
The caboose transforms into a "Battlestar Ship." The wheels at the front of the caboose fold down to allow the robot mode to continue rolling on the tracks while giving it a perched or launching appearance.

The cut of the stickers for the caboose only allow for them to be applied with the broad red stripe flanked by the two narrow black stripes on bottom, while the the stickers for the engine bearing the G1 "The Trans Formers More Than Meets The Eye" slogan is only right-side up if positioned with the broad red stripe on the top.

[[Image:Tyco H.K Robots.JPG|thumb|right|200px|]]
The non-transforming "Transformer" figures consist of six distinct molds in metallic silver (Autobots) and metallic blue (Decepticons), repeated multiple times in apparently semi-random quantities.

The play mat depicted a small dam in a grassy and wooded area with a road and parking lot. The card-stock power station, plant, and two power line towers were meant to be placed around this, though a convincing layout that also left room for the standard oval-track layout was difficult to achieve.

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BotCon

2010-11-22T03:40:46Z

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'''BotCon''' is an annual [[convention]] for Transformers fans and collectors. The convention has been held, in one form or another, annually since 1994.

The name "BotCon" comes from both "ro'''bot''' '''con'''vention" and the names "Auto'''bot'''" and "Decepti'''con'''" used in the toyline.

Featured BotCon guests are usually involved in the creation of Transformers media in some respect, whether voice actors from the animated series, artists or writers from the Transformers [[Comics|comic books]], or actual [[Hasbro]] employees.

==Individual conventions==
For details of each convention, click on the appropriate link below.
{|style="margin:0 auto;padding:0 auto" align=center id=toc
!align=center bgcolor=#6699CC|'''BotCons:'''
|- align="center"
|| [[BotCon 1994|1994]] | [[BotCon 1995|1995]] | [[BotCon 1996|1996]] | [[BotCon 1997|1997]] | [[BotCon Japan 1997|Japan 1997]] | [[BotCon 1998|1998]] | [[BotCon Japan 1998|Japan 1998]] | [[BotCon 1999|1999]] | [[BotCon Europe 1999|Europe 1999]] | [[BotCon 2000|2000]] | [[BotCon Japan 2000|Japan 2000]] | [[BotCon 2001|2001]] | [[BotCon 2002|2002]] | [[BotCon Europe 2002|Europe 2002]] | [[OTFCC 2003]] | [[OTFCC 2004]] | [[BotCon 2004|2004]] | [[BotCon 2005|2005]] | [[BotCon 2006|2006]] | [[BotCon 2007|2007]] | [[BotCon 2008|2008]] | [[BotCon 2009|2009]] | [[BotCon 2010|2010]] |
|}

==BotCon history==
The [[BotCon 1994|first BotCon]] was held in Fort Wayne, Indiana in 1994. Organized by brothers [[Jon Hartman|Jon]] and [[Karl Hartman]], the convention had 180 attendees. [[BotCon 1995]] was organized by [[Raksha]], a prominent figure in the fan community, and 1996 by [[Men in Black|Men in Black Productions]], headed up by [[Dennis Barger]]. In 1997, the Hartmans brought [[Glen Hallit]], a fellow fan, into the fold, forming [[3H Productions|3H Enterprises]] (based upon the first letter of all three organizers' last names). During this era, the BotCon name was also licensed out for several conventions outside of the United States.

[[Image:OTFCC logo.jpg|right|300px|thumb|THIS... is the wave of the future! What's that? Really? We now return you to your regularly sceduled convention.]]At [[BotCon 2002]], it was announced that 3H had secured the official Transformers convention license, as well as licenses to produce comic books and start a fan club. However, the Hartmans were pressured by Hallit out of planning or running the convention, leaving Glen Hallit as the sole organizer. As a result, the BotCon name, which was owned by the Hartmans, ceased to exist for a time, as 3H's convention was called "[[The Official Transformers Collectors' Convention]]," or OTFCC for short.

In 2004, BotCon made a comeback as an [[BotCon 2004|unofficial convention]], which was held in Pasadena, California. The history of the BotCon franchise up to that point was covered in great detail in the [[Unofficial guidebooks|BotCon Legends]] magazine. At the end of 2004, 3H lost all its Transformer licenses, which were soon picked up by [[Fun Publications]], owned by [[Brian Savage]]. The Hartman brothers were invited onto and accepted places in an advisory board for the new convention, along with other prominent fans [[Ben Yee|Benson Yee]] and [[Rik Alvarez]], and granted use of the BotCon name once again.

Since that time, BotCon has been held once again as an annual convention, run by Fun Publications.

==Special Guests==
Over the years, BotCon has featured many individuals who have worked to bring the Transformers multiverse to life, including voice actors, animation staff, and Hasbro design team members.

==Exclusive toys==
One of BotCon's most popular features is the sale of exclusive toys (originally just a single toy) to the guests. The toys are different every year, and will not be sold at retail anywhere in the world. The identity and design of the toys were originally kept a close secret until the opening of the convention, although in the later years of the convention the organizers often chose to reveal one or more of the exclusives ahead of time, due to repeated problems with stolen prototypes being sold on eBay.

In the past, the toys were sold individually as part of the convention registration process, however the current convention organizers are only offering the exclusives as part of a package deal, a move that has caused some contention in the fandom.

Although the toys are always unique, financial costs prohibit the creation of entirely new molds. As such, the toys are [[redeco]]s of previously used toys given new identities, occasionally switching allegiances and even gender. In the last few years, minor remoulds have been made to the exclusives, such as the new heads given the Deathsaurus and Ironhide in 2005. After the convention, exclusive toys usually become valuable collector's items in the community, particularly among fans who missed the convention. Before the convention, many fans complain vociferously because the prices of exclusive, limited-run figures are high. This is particularly true of the 2007 "Games of Deception" set, which many fans still complain about because of its unavailability at a retail level.

===Proposed/Unreleased Exclusives===
A number of toys were planned over the years but never produced, for various reasons. Note that some of these entries are essentially jokes from the organizers' brainstorming sessions, which they then later mentioned to other fans:

*Lickme, a redeco of [[Spittor (BW)|Spittor]] as a Poison Arrow Frog. Function: Psychological Warfare. Mentioned at the BotCon '99 Organizers Panel.
*Jai-Alai, a black redeco of [[Manterror]]. Function: Ninja. Mentioned at the BotCon '99 Organizers Panel.
*[[Cataclysm (BW)|Cataclysm]], a green and purple redeco of Transmetal [[Cheetor (BW)/toys|Cheetor]]. This character actually appeared in the convention storyline and was thought to be the lower priced exclusive in 2000 until Apelinq was revealed instead. It is unclear whether or not Cataclysm was ever truly intended to be released, however.
*Optimal Rodimus Primal, mentioned by the Hartmans at the organizer's panel at Botcon 2000, this would have been an updated version of Rodimus Prime made from the Optimal Optimus mold. Plans were nixed very early on as Primal Prime was going into its limited production run and Hasbro didn't give licensees the leeway they now enjoy. Optimal Rodimus Primal's events in the Wreckers storyline were revised for Primal Prime and Rodimus instead
*Blue Balls Attack Team, from an anecdote shared by Karl Hartman on the now defunct BotCon Beyond message board, a planning session for BotCon had run much later than anticipated and an exhausted Hartman proposed a pair of blue repaints of Beast Wars [[Retrax]]. Obviously not a serious proposal.
*[[Defensor (OTFCC)|Hot Spot]], a blue redeco of [[Optimus Prime (RID)|''Robots in Disguise'' Optimus Prime]] as a new Autobot leader modelled after the Generation One character. The toy would have featured a new headsculpt for the robot's larger "[[Defensor (OTFCC)|Defensor]]" mode. This toy was originally solicited for OTFCC 2004, then pushed back for OTFCC 2005. When the license was removed from 3H Productions, this figure was cancelled.
*[[Megatron (BW)/toys|Megatron]], a red redeco of [[Megatron (RID)|''Robots in Disguise'' Megatron]] as an upgraded (and resurrected) ''Beast Wars'' Megatron. This toy would have featured a new headsculpt. Designs of this toy were part of 3H's OTFCC 2005 proposal, which never happened.
*[[Devcon (G1)|Devcon]], a blue redeco of [[Slugslinger (Energon)|''Energon'' Slugslinger]] as the Generation One character. This toy would have featured a new headsculpt. Designs of this toy were part of 3H's OTFCC 2005 proposal, which never happened.
*[[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]], a green redeco of [[Strongarm (Energon)|''Energon'' Strongarm]] as the Generation One character. This toy would have featured a new headsculpt and snap on Energon gauntlets. Designs of this toy were part of 3H's OTFCC 2005 proposal, which never happened.
*[[Roadbuster]], an orange and green redeco of ''Energon'' Strongarm as the Generation One character. This toy would have featured a new headsculpt and Energon rifle. Designs of this toy were part of 3H's OTFCC 2005 proposal, which never happened.
*[[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]], originally conceived as the ''Cybertron Defense'' Hot Shot redeco for 2007. He was dropped in favor of Springer, who fit the mold and the story/theme better.

==Exclusive fiction==
Many BotCons have featured fiction exclusive to the convention. This fiction has taken the form of comic books, text stories, and script readings.

==External links==
*[http://www.botcon.com Official site]
*[http://www.transformersclub.com/ Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club]
*[http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~sstoneb/tf/faq/fandom/conventions.php Convention info from the Transformers FAQ]

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[[Category:Fun Publications]]
[[Category:Exclusives]]

Hasbro

2010-11-12T03:27:28Z

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[[Image:Hasbrologo.jpg|right|130px|thumb|Making the world transform. (Well, apart from Japan, [[TakaraTomy|these guys]] handle that.)]]
'''Hasbro''' is a [[toy]] company, and owner of the [[Transformers brand|''Transformers'' brand]] in most markets outside of Japan, where it is owned by [[TakaraTomy]].

==History==
[[Image:Hasbrooldlogo.jpg|left|75px|thumb|Siamese twins at home.]]

Hasbro was originally founded in [[1923]] as "Hassenfeld Brothers" by brothers Henry and Helal Hassenfeld from Rhode Island. The company originally sold textile remnants, but soon moved into manufacturing pencil boxes and school supplies.
In [[1952]], Hasbro first rose to fame with a little toy called [[Optimash Prime|''Mr. Potato Head'']]. You might have heard of it. The company went so far as to purchase advertising time for the toy on a newfangled invention called television. You might have heard of that, too.

In [[1964]], Hasbro had an even greater success with the original ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]]'' toy designed by Don Levine, which caused Hassenfeld Bros. to grow to be one of the largest toy companies in the USA. In [[1968]], the company would change its name to "Hasbro Industries, Inc."

Through a series of importing licenses and spin-offs, G.I. Joe ultimately led to the ''[[Microman]]'' and ''[[Diaclone]]'' toylines by Japanese toymaker [[TakaraTomy|Takara]], which in turn would lead to Hasbro's release of the original ''Transformers'' toyline in [[1984]]. At that time, Hasbro was employing the services of [[Marvel Comics]] and the advertising agency [[Griffin Bacal]], who helped them come up with new marketing strategies and background stories for their toylines, including the revamped ''G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero'' and ''[[Generation 1 (franchise)|The Transformers]]''.

In 1984, Hasbro also bought out a competing toy company named [[Milton Bradley]] (MB), which resulted in the merged company briefly assuming the name "Hasbro Bradley, Inc." After the merger was completed, the company changed its name into simply "Hasbro, Inc." Milton Bradley's European facilities would also be used to distribute the initial wave of [[Toy|''Transformers'' toys]] to be [[Generation 1 (European toyline)|released in Europe]] before the merger was completed. Later in the '80s, Hasbro would go on to release other toy brands such as ''[[Visionaries]]'', ''[[My Little Pony]]'', ''[[Inhumanoids|Inhumanoids]]'', ''[[Robotix]]'', and ''[[Beastformer|Battle Beasts]]''--the latter eventually becoming closely (if strangely) related to ''Transformers''.

In [[1991]], Hasbro bought out former competitor [[Tonka]]—which by that point in time already owned another former Hasbro competitor, [[Kenner]], meaning that this acquisition added ''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]]'' to Hasbro's product portfolio. In the same year, Hasbro consolidated most of their international markets: Prior to this point, Hasbro subsidiaries such as the afroementioned Milton Bradley had still been responsible for distributing ''Transformers'' toys in some countries (even though the toys' packaging had sported the name "Hasbro" since [[1986]]). Those subsidiaries were officially restructured and given the parent companies' name in an attempt to establish "Hasbro" as a worldwide household name.

In [[1995]] Hasbro temporarily transferred control of the ''Transformers'' franchise to its Kenner subsidiary, then phased out the Kenner brand in [[2000]].

In the new millennium, Hasbro, following [[Marvel Comics|Marvel's]] example, intends to reinvent itself as an "entertainment" company, [[Hasbro Studios]]. Instead of merely commissioning animated TV shows as advertising vehicles for their toys, Hasbro licenses its brands to Hollywood studios, which turn them into big budget blockbuster movies, using the toys' established household names as a marketing appeal. [[2007]]'s ''[[Transformers (2007)|Transformers]]'' movie was the first of those feature films. The sequel, ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]'', and a ''[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]'' movie were both released in [[2009]], and movies based on the successful board game ''Monopoly'' and [[Kenner]]'s old ''Stretch Armstrong'' toy have also been confirmed. Hasbro believes that their new "the movie of the toy" strategy will be more lucrative than the old "the toy of the movie" concept, which involves hefty licensing fees.<ref name="brandweek">[http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jun2009/db20090611_333306.htm Brandweek article on Hasbro's new movie-related business strategy]</ref>

==Hasbro today==
===Employees===
====Corporate====
* [[Brian Goldner]], Chief Executive Officer
* [[Alfred J. Verrecchia]], Chairman of the Board
* [[Aaron Archer]], Vice President of Intellectual Property Development, Creative Director of ''Transformers''

===Boys' Toys===
* [[Samantha Lomow]], Global Brand Leader, Vice President of Marketing and Design for ''Transformers''
* [[Vickie Stratford]], formerly Sr. Design Project Manager for ''Transformers'', now transferred to the ''Star Wars'' brand as its head of design(?)
* [[Steve Bono]], Design Manager

===Girls' Toys===
* [[Michelle Field]], formerly Director of Marketing for ''Transformers'' and boys toys, now Sr. Director of Marketing for girls's toys

===''Transformers'' Brand===
====Marketing====
* [[Greg Lombardo]], Sr. Director of Global Marketing
* [[Michael Vibede Vanting]], Global Brand Marketing Director
* [[Kristin Hamilton]], international marketing
* [[Michael Ballog]], marketing
* [[Jared Jones]], marketing
* [[Matthew Proulx]], marketing
* [[Forest Lee]], copywriting

====Design====
* [[Jared Wade]], Director of Global Product Design
* [[Brian Chapman]], Head of Design, Global toy/game/IP
* [[Eric Siebenaler]], Senior Product Designer
* [[William Rawley]], Senior Product Designer
* [[Joe Kyde]], Designer
* [[Todd Patrick]], packaging design
* [[Michelino Paolino]]
* [[Brian Wilk]]
* [[Alan Roach]]

===Hasbro's regional offices===
Hasbro has smaller offices all around the world, who are not involved in the production of toys, but rather take care of the customer relationships and marketing in their local regions. Known locations of local offices include Denmark (covering the whole nordic region), [[Canada]], [[Germany]], the [[United Kingdom]], [[France]], [[Australia]] and [[New Zealand]].

===Relationship with fandom===
[[Image:Hasbrotour-fleshlesskitty.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Hasbro showed they love the fans by giving a tour of their offices during BotCon 2007. Hasbro showed they hate the fans by including this!]]

[[Fandom|Fandom's]] relationship with Hasbro is as paradoxical and confusing as our relationships with our [[wikipedia:Alcoholism|parents]]. They are an incredible source of joy and happiness, as well as the focal point of rage and blame for pretty much everyone in the Transformers community. To much of the fandom, Hasbro's actual involvement in the Transformers franchise is rarely acknowledged when not negative. Many view their activities to consist entirely of:

* [[Thundercracker (G1)#Timelines|Slapping fans in the face]].
* [[Trukk not munky|Getting things all wrong]].
* [[For safety reasons|Screwing up Takara's toys]].
* [[Redeco|Being lazy]].
* [[To sell toys|Trying to make money]].
* [[Ruined FOREVER|Ruining everything forever]].

When they found the time to create and maintain a successful, celebrated franchise that was the basis of 25 years of obsession and happiness for the exact same fans is unknown.

===Questionable brand decisions===
* In the early days of the ''[[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]]'' line's run, Hasbro were entirely focused on "product" and viewed the attached fiction as a mere marketing tool. As a consequence, they viewed "[[character]]s" as easily replacable, and their strategy at that time can be summed up as "new toys, new characters". Hasbro certainly didn't anticipate the audience actually to attach to the characters featured in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|television show]], and were utterly surprised by the fan backlash after nearly all of the 1984-85 cast had been graphically killed off in the [[The Transformers: The Movie|animated movie]] and replaced by newly introduced characters. Hasbro now recognizes that this move was a mistake that hurt the brand.<ref>[http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2007-06-28-transformers-main_n.htm USA Today: "Transformers: From Toy Story to Serious Art?"]</ref> In Hasbro's defense, though, it needs to be pointed out that this wasn't a flawed approach unique to them, as the importance of recognizable characters for the public image of a brand was a novel concept to the toy industry as a whole at that time. Hasbro have learned their lesson, and now [[Jazz (Movie)|mostly]] kill relative [[Blackout (Movie)|nobodies]], and rely a lot more heavily on recurring, recognizable characters across their various toylines and the corresponding fiction.

* Hasbro's corporate executives were eager to make the move to [[multilingual packaging]] for the United States market to save money, forcing that decision upon their ''Transformers'' staff. Although representatives were prepared with responses to fan complaints about how ugly and uninformative it was, the design team eventually managed to convince their higher-ups how ugly it was, so the US packaging returned to normal.<ref name="botcon2005">[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/0cd6f0724b39615f?dmode=source&output=gplain Steve-o's 2005 BotCon Report]</ref>

* At times, Hasbro has been willing to allow the broadcast of clearly incomplete or poorly-constructed [[Energon (cartoon)|advertising media]].

* Hasbro often have their official promotional [[toy]] [[stock photography]] done by people (both internal and outsourced third party photo studios) who have a tendency to display the toys in awkwardly mistransformed states, sometimes so glaring that the photos could be viewed as really bad representations of Hasbro's products... yet they are used in official advertising, including Hasbro's public website and even on the toys' packaging. Reportedly, Hasbro has recently decided to send a member of the design team (at least an intern) along to the photo studio to transform and pose the toys properly.

* As the toys became more and more complex, Hasbro's official toy [[instructions]] became less and less helpful. Written directions were omitted entirely in favor of pictures-only instructions with the launch of the ''[[Armada (toyline)|Armada]]'' line in 2002, and those pictures-only instructions have a tendency to omit useful steps, are sometimes unclear on vital details, and might occasionally be based on early [[prototype]]s that [[design change|differ from the final toy]], thereby including transformation steps that aren't ''possible'' with the toy in hand. ''[[Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] even recycled the instructions from his [[mold]]-mate [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]], even though Sideswipe was supposed to use an alternate transformation as compared to Sunstreaker.

* In the lead up to the [[Transformers (2007)|2007 live-action movie]], to deal with the expected international audience for both the movie and the accompanying toys, Hasbro started to redirect visitors of their official ''Transformers'' website to localized versions of the site based upon their IPs. However, it was obvious that Hasbro's interest in their international markets was rather marginal, as demonstrated by the fact that many of these international localised sites were rarely updated, if at all; and if they were, the updates were still marginal, and the product lists remained incomplete. To the frustration of non-American fans, clicking any links to the US version of the site resulted in the user being automatically redirected to their outdated localized versions. Even bugs that allowed users to circumvent the redirect were eventually "fixed" in favor of an even more aggressive redirect. This was ''finally'' resolved for good in 2009, with the addition of a US-specific website URL that doesn't redirect anyone anywhere anymore.

* The somewhat more "mature" tone of the live action movies, [[Transformers (2007)|''Transformers'' (2007)]] and ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]'', especially the crude, often sexually-themed humor displayed in both films, has been the center of much controversy. In particular, a lobbyist group named the Campaign for a Commercial-Free Childhood repeatedly tried to lobby the Federal Communications Commission into tightening regulations for marketing movies rated "PG-13" and [[Movie (toyline)|associated]] [[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|merchandise]] to children.<ref name="fccfilter">[http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/08/transformers-movies-get-caught-in-fcc-content-filtering-inquiry.ars Ars Technica article on the CCFC/FCC story.]</ref> Hasbro themselves appear to be still undecided about their official position regarding the more "mature" tone of the movies and its ramifications for the [[Transformers brand|brand's]] public image, having left several questions to this effect unanswered.<ref name="allsparkqa">[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=61539 July/August 2009 edition] of the Allspark [[Hasbro Q&A]]</ref><ref name="tformersqa">[http://tformers.com/transformers-hasbro-answers-your-burning-questions-part-v/12149/news.html July/August 2009 edition] of the TFormers Hasbro Q&A]</ref>

==Home video==
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Hasbro has produced some home video releases as part of their marketing strategies. The earliest of these were VHS tapes of ''[[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' packed with Beast Wars toys. Subsequently, two different ''[[Beast Machines (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'' tapes, along with another ''Beast Wars'' tape, were produced as giveaways for [[KB Toys]] promotions wherein you would get a free tape for purchasing Beast Machines toys. The promotions were not terribly successful, leading to leftover tapes being disposed of in various ways including being sold by themselves. More recently, Hasbro has produced a variety of [[Pack-in_material#CD-ROMs_and_DVDs|pack-in DVDs]].

===Releases===
;VHS
* '''''Beast Wars: Transformers''''' — '''[[Aftermath]]''' & '''[[Coming of the Fuzors (Part 1)]]''' (1998, packed with [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] or [[Razorclaw (BW)|Razorclaw]])
* '''''Beast Wars: Transformers''''' — '''[[Aftermath]]''' (1998, UK exclusive [[Claw Jaw]] pack-in)
* '''''Beast Wars: Transformers''''' — '''[[Coming of the Fuzors (Part 1)]]''' (1998, UK exclusive [[Spittor (BW)|Spittor]] pack-in)
* '''''Beast Wars: Transformers''''' — '''[[Bad Spark]]''' & '''[[Code of Hero]]''' (1999)
* '''''Beast Machines: Transformers''''' — '''[[The Reformatting]]''' & '''[[Master of the House]]''' (1999)
* '''''Beast Machines: Transformers: Battle for the Spark''''' — '''[[Sparkwar Pt. I: The Strike|Sparkwar Part I: The Strike]]''' (2000)
<center><gallery>
Image:Hasbro BW Combo 1 VHS.jpg|The Aftermath & Coming of the Fuzors (Part 1)
Image:Hasbro BW Aftermath VHS.jpg|The Aftermath
Image:Hasbro BW Fuzors VHS.jpg|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 1)
Image:Hasbro BW Combo 2 VHS.jpg|Bad Spark & Code of Hero
Image:Hasbro BM Combo VHS.jpg|The Reformatting & Master of the House
Image:Hasbro BM Sparkwar VHS.jpg|Sparkwar Part I: The Strike
</gallery></center>

;DVD
=== [[Beast Wars 10th Anniversary]] ===
* '''''Beast Wars: Transformers''''' — '''[[Equal Measures]]''' (with [[Cheetor (BW)/toys#Beast_Wars_10th_Anniversary|Cheetor]])(2006)
* '''''Beast Wars: Transformers''''' — '''[[A Better Mousetrap]]''' (with [[Rattrap#Beast_Wars_10th_Anniversary|Rattrap]])(2006)
* '''''Beast Wars: Transformers''''' — '''[[The Spark]]''' (with [[Rhinox (BW)#Beast_Wars_10th_Anniversary|Rhinox]])(2006)
* '''''Beast Wars: Transformers''''' — '''[[Spider's Game]]''' (with [[Tarantulas#Beast_Wars_10th_Anniversary|Predacon Tarantulus]])(2006)
* '''''Beast Wars: Transformers''''' — '''[[Possession]]''' (with [[Waspinator (BW)#Beast_Wars_10th_Anniversary|Waspinator]] or [[Optimus Primal/toys#Beast_Wars_10th_Anniversary|Optimus Primal]] vs. [[Megatron (BW)/toys#Beast_Wars_10th_Anniversary|Megatron]])(2006)
* '''''Beast Wars: Transformers''''' — '''[[Code of Hero]]''' (with [[Dinobot (BW)#Beast_Wars_10th_Anniversary|Dinobot]])(2006)

=== Others ===
* '''''[[Cybertron (cartoon)|Transformers: Cybertron]]''''' — '''[[Hidden]]''' (2006)
* '''''[[Optimus Prime vs Megatron: The Ultimate Battle]]''''' (2006)
* '''''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers Animated]]''''' — '''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)/home_video#Pack-in_disc|The Battle Begins]]''' (2008)
* '''''[[The Transformers (cartoon)|The Transformers]]''''' — '''[[More than Meets the Eye (episode)|More than Meets the Eye]]''' (2008)
<center><gallery>
Image:Hidden DVD.jpg|Hidden
Image:Ultimate Battle DVD.jpg|The Ultimate Battle
Image:Animated Battle Begins DVD.jpg|The Battle Begins
Image:25th Optimus MTMTE DVD.jpg|More than Meets the Eye
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==Notes==
* The [[Decepticon]] [[Flamewar]] collects Hasbro memorabilia.
* Hasbro isn't all about [[To sell toys|selling toys]] and making money. According to [[Transformers (2007)|''Transformers'' live-action movie]] writer [[Roberto Orci]], some at Hasbro argued against updating some returning characters in ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]'', so that parents would '''not''' have to buy the same toy twice for their children just because of a minor change or modification to the characters' designs. <ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showpost.php?p=2186879&postcount=171 Roberto Orci posting at TFW2005.com]</ref> (We will just point out now that they ''still did that''.)
* According to Hasbro Australia representatives and designer [[Eric Siebenaler]], all of the Transformers toys jointly developed between Hasbro and Takara/TakaraTomy are manufactured at factories contracted to the Japanese toy company. This means Takara is indirectly responsible for whatever [[quality control]] problems you have been having with your toys, so you can stop complaining about it being entirely Hasbro's fault.
* Hasbro is the patron of the [http://www.lifespan.org/hch/about/ Hasbro Children's Hospital]. See [[Toy Fair 1986#Transformers Fan Community Charity Drive|here]] for how the [[fandom]] contributed to it in 2010.
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Onslaught (G1)

2010-10-22T01:12:39Z

74.73.134.205: /* Generation 1 cartoon */

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{{disambig3|Onslaught}}
:''Onslaught is a [[Decepticon]] [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticon]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[Image:MTMTEOnslaught.jpg|right|300px|thumb|''The Combaticons are warring! Onslaught is ROARING! He is one metamorphin' DUDICUS!'']]
'''Onslaught''' is what you'd call the "hands-off" type. He doesn't enjoy getting his mitts dirty, but instead prefers the thrill of designing battle plans, strategies, and tactics, and then watching his [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticon]] soldiers carry them out. While he typically crafts his strategies to exclude his direct involvement, Onslaught is no coward. When required, he will engage in battle with strength, cunning and earthquaking fury. This darker, more brutish side of Onslaught might lead some [[Decepticon]]s into thinking he has a secret blood-lust stashed away in his circuits. But truth be told, he's really just ticked off that his plans didn't work out the way they were supposed to.

Onslaught can combine with his fellow Combaticons to form [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]], who is considerably dumber than Onslaught.

{{quote|I beg your pardon?! My strategies are brilliant!|Onslaught to [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]|"[[The Revenge of Bruticus]]"}}

:''French name:'' '''Abordage''' ("Boarding", Canada)
:''Hungarian name:'' '''Cudar''' ("Rascally")
:''Italian name:'' '''Destroyer'''
:''Mandarin name:'' '''Tú-jí''' (突擊, "Onslaught" or "Assault", Taiwan), '''Anslo''' (安史羅 ''Ān Shr Lúo'', Taiwan ''Universe''), '''Xiji''' (袭击, "Raid", China)
:''Spanish name:'' '''Oslat''' (Spain)

==Fiction==
===Cartoon continuity===
====Generation 1 cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[S. Marc Jordan]], [[Steve Bulin]] (English), [[Yū Shimaka|Yutaka Shimaka]] (Japanese), [[Hitoshi Horikawa]] (Japanese, ''The Rebirth'' only)
[[Image:StarscreamsBrigade OnslaughtVortex.jpg|left|200px|thumb|"Heave! Next time, Vortex, ''chew'' your food!"]]
Onslaught was one of the five [[renegade Decepticon]]s liberated by [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] in the Air Commander's latest attempt to unseat [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. As an element of their imprisonment, they had been reduced to mere [[personality component]]s, so Starscream installed them into abandoned [[World War II]] military vehicles. The transplant caused the vehicles to immediately reconfigure themselves: Onslaught in particular went from being a [[wikipedia:Half-track|half-track]] troop carrier to being a flatbed missile-truck, before turning into a robot. Starscream called them "Combaticons" and announced their names as they transformed, but they didn't recognize him. Nor did they feel particularly indebted to him for their release; in the end, Starscream only guaranteed their loyalty though having given them bodies bereft of [[energy absorber]]s, so they would be dependent upon him to refuel.

Onslaught and his fellow Combaticons agreed to work with Starscream to overthrow Megatron on the promise of being given the vital components. Onslaught worked in capturing two [[Autobot]]s, though he got into an argument with [[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]] over who was responsible for the act. Later, while recharging at a power station, Starscream's brigade was confronted by the Decepticons under Megatron's command. Anticipating that [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] might come into play, Starscream ordered Onslaught and the other Combaticons to merge into the dim-witted [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]]. The Combaticon combiner managed to soundly defeat Devastator, but was in turn defeated by a surprise attack by [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]]. For their treachery, Megatron banished Onslaught, his comrades and Starscream in space on a desolate asteroid. {{storylink|Starscream's Brigade}}

[[Image:Revenge of bruticus 4 changing course.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Megatron felt quite foolish once Onslaught showed him the one loose wire preventing his [[Victory (G1)|space cruiser]] from flying again.]]

After a falling out with Starscream, Onslaught became the mastermind of [[Operation Revenge]] and helped defeat [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s forces on Cybertron. He also used his external backpack and altered the Space Bridge to send Earth into the sun. It didn't work as he was defeated by the allied Decepticons and Autobots. Then Megatron had the Combaticons, including Onslaught, reprogrammed to serve him. Poor guy, can't seem to get a break. {{storylink|The Revenge of Bruticus}}

[[Image:AerialAssault Onslaughtattacks.jpg|left|200px|thumb|In Soviet Russia, [[Aerialbot (G1)|skeet]] shoots back!]]

After that little lobotomy, the Combaticons were deployed to Earth's Middle East to assist in Megatron's scheme to steal military jets, rebuild them into cars, drive them out of the owners' nations, and then rebuild them back into drone jets in friendly territory. Yeah. Onslaught and the other Combaticons attacked the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] when they snooped around, managing to force [[Slingshot]] to crash into a cave (YAY!). Later, Onslaught and the ground-based Combaticons formed an anti-aircraft screen against an Aerialbot attack on [[Giant Purple Griffin|the Fortress]], then merged into Bruticus, but was rather quickly defeated by [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] before being blown away by the exploding oil wells. {{storylink|Aerial Assault}}

Back in the [[United States of America|United States]], Onslaught led the Combaticons in driving down the road of a random city for no apparent reason until they were confronted by [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]]. Though the Combaticons formed Bruticus, they were blown to pieces by a single shot from the Autobot, with [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] being the only survivor. Swindle later sold the parts of his comrades, but was forced to buy them back for Megatron's next Crazy Scheme. The Combaticons formed Bruticus to operate the orbital disruptor cannon, but was shot by the cannon itself when [[B.O.T. (robot)|B.O.T.]] tampered with it. {{storylink|B.O.T. (episode)|B.O.T.}}

[[Image:FFoD1 DamagedOnslaught.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Stoopid 'Cons never lisssen t'me. I'ma bloody genius, a strategic maschter *hic* maschtermind, but they's still following a [[Galvatron (G1)|looney wit'a big gun]]. Just—it just ain't right. *hic* Aw, I'm gonna over-energize all over my face-plate...]]

By the year 2006, the Decepticons had been forced into retreat on the ruined, burned out world of [[Chaar]]. Onslaught warned first [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] and then the [[Quintesson]]s that the Decepticons would no longer be powerful enough to attack the Autobots directly, but he joined most of the other Decepticons in their attack on the Autobots anyway. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 3}} Much later, [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] sent Onslaught, [[Brawl (G1)|Brawl]] and [[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]] to assassinate the Decepticon exile [[Octane]]. Onslaught attempted to hold his troops until the proper moment presented itself, but Octane was still able to seek cover before their laser fire could terminate him. The traitor's Autobot partner, [[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]], then used his eponymous ability to blind and disorient the Combaticons long enough for the two [[Triple Changer]]s to escape. {{storylink|Starscream's Ghost}}

Onslaught's next mission was to lead the Combaticons in an attack on an Autobot shuttle waiting to deliver [[human]]s to a peace conference. He had a complicated and cunning strategy of misdirecting the Autobots by dressing up like Bruticus and having Swindle painted like [[Hound (G1)|Hound]], but the Autobots were unfazed by the confusion. The Combaticons succeeded in busting up the shuttle a little before being driven away by the Autobots. {{storylink|Surprise Party}} As part of Bruticus, Onslaught watched the Decepticon assault on [[Paradron]] {{storylink|Fight or Flee}}, and was infected by the [[Hate Plague]], along with the rest of the galaxy. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 1}}

During the battle for the [[Plasma Energy Chamber]], Onslaught led his Combaticons in the crafting of a giant planetary rocket engine that would be used to propel Cybertron into orbit around Earth. This engine was fueled by the reprocessed body parts of defeated Autobots. Gross. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 3}}
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====Japanese cartoon continuity====
{{note|The events of the Generation 1 cartoon occur in this continuity as detailed above, except the events of 2006 are pushed back to 2010, and "The Rebirth" does not occur. Japanese continuity inserts several new stories into the resultant gaps in the timeline.}}
=====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' comic=====
[[Image:DecepticonTrailerBrigade1.jpg|left|140px|thumb|"Eleven foot six? Damn you!"]]
When Menasor's baseball stadium/command base was attacked by Superion and Defensor, Bruticus (so by proxy, Onslaught) came to his aid. He quickly took out Defensor, damaging [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]] and preventing the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] from combining again. However, Superion blasted Brawl and Swindle away with his [[Electrostatic discharger rifle|electrostatic discharger rifle]], allowing [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] and [[Streetwise (G1)|Streetwise]] to steal their places as Bruticus's legs and fly away with Onslaught and his troops. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 5|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #5}}

In order to make the Autobots look bad, Onslaught joined the Stunticons in destroying factories while wearing the Autobot [[insignia]]. When they were caught, all but him and [[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]] fled the scene, but Onslaught had an ace up his sleeve: Together, he and Motormaster made up the [[Decepticon Trailer Brigade]]! With their spinning "Decepticon Great Wheel" attack, the subgroup leaders held the Autobots at bay for a while, but were eventually defeated by [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]'s "Prime-Magnus Finish Double" kick. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 7}}

Onslaught then led his Combaticons in murdering a [[Murdered puppy|puppy]]. They succeeded, but the [[Mini Vehicle|Minibots]] got them good. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 8|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #8}}
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=====''Scramble City'' cartoon=====
When the Stunticons were dispatched to hinder the Autobots from constructing [[Metroplex (G1)|Scramble City]], they were attacked by the Aerialbots and did not fare too well. Onslaught's Combaticons arrived to help, and together Bruticus and Menasor easily overpowered Superion. However, Scramble City itself soon arrived and blasted both combiners away. {{storylink|Scramble City: Mobilization}}

=====''The Great Transformer War'' comic=====
[[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] and the Decepticons kidnapped the scientist [[Doctor Dalton]] to help advance their combination technology. When the Aerialbots and Protectobots arrived to save Dalton, Onslaught and Motormaster merged with [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] in base mode, deploying their fellow Decepticons into battle. The Decepticon combiners then formed Bruticus and Menasor, but were ultimately defeated by their Autobot counterparts. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 1|The Great Transformer War #1}}

=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Michitaka Kobayashi]] (Japanese)

Onslaught and the Combaticons participated in an all-out Decepticon attack on Cybertron, {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}} until [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] arrived and drove them away. {{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}} Shortly afterwards, [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] set out to find the [[Matrix of Leadership]] and bring it to Optimus Prime, and the Combaticons were among the troops sent out to stop him. They were ambushed by the Protectobots, and defeated when Defensor buried Bruticus in a rockfall. {{storylink|Birth of the Fantastic Double Prime}} Not long after that, the Combaticons defended [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] against [[Blaster (G1)|Twincast]]'s attempted infiltration, but failed when the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] arrived and distracted them. {{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}}

[[Image:UltraMagnusDies Combaticons.jpg|right|200px|thumb|"Jeez, Galvatron, why put HIM with the Combaticons?"]]

The Combaticons were later part of ''another'' attack on Cybertron, during which they killed plenty of [[Generic|soldiers]] before getting into another fight with Defensor. {{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 1}} They lost. {{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 2}} When the Decepticons planted a giant carnivorous plant in [[San Francisco]], the Combaticons and Stunticons were stationed to attack any Autobots who arrived to kill it. {{storylink|Head On!! Fortress Maximus}} Sixshot later sent the Combaticons, [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcons]] and [[Horrorcon]]s to attack an Autobot energy facility in [[Miami]], in order to lure Autobot troops away from [[Autobot City]]. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus Dies!!}} The Combaticons also unleashed Bruticus as Sixshot continued his reign of terror over the Autobots on Earth. {{storylink|The Emperor of Destruction Vanishes on an Iceberg}}

Onslaught was present when [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] held a speech about Galvatron's recent death and took control of the Decepticons. {{storylink|I Risk My Life for Earth}} Bruticus was later part of a small group of Decepticons who tried to lead Fortress Maximus away from the Decepticon base on [[Master (planet)|Master]]. {{storylink|The Zarak Shield Turns the Tide}} The combiner then stood by and laughed as [[Predaking]] sank the luxury liner ''[[Queen World]]'' in the Atlantic Ocean. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 1)}} As Bruticus, the Combaticons participated in the final battle with the Autobots at the North Pole, and retreated into space when Scorponok's energy-absorbing satellite started tearing the Earth apart. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 2)}}
{{--}}
=====''Zone'' OVA, manga and story pages=====
Seeking to create a [[Decepticon Zone]] to counter the [[Micro|Autobot Zone]], [[Emperor of Destruction|Decepticon Emperor]] [[Violen Jiger]] gathered together the [[Nine Great Demon Generals]], upgrading them with powerful new armor and weaponry, then sent them forth to conquer planets. Onslaught was one of those summoned, but only as part of Bruticus. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 1}} {{storylink|Zone (manga)|Transformers: Zone}} {{storylink|Enter the New Supreme Commander, Dai Atlas!}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
{{noteukonly}}
[[Image:Onslaught Marvel41.jpg|right|200px|thumb|[[wikipedia:Onslaught (comics)|BEHOLD MY MIGHTY HAND!]]]]
Onslaught is the leader of the Combaticons, ''one of the [[Special Teams]] foretold by the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]. {{storylink|Second Generation!}}'' Onslaught and his team were first seen on Earth fighting the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] inside the Multi-World computer game. They didn't fare too well. Onslaught got "fused by a fireball" from Hotspot. {{storylink|Afterdeath!}}

''Later on, he led his team to kill [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] while he was trapped in a volcano, and Onslaught was the only Combaticon not taken down by [[Ladies' Night|a trio of human women]]. He would've killed them if the [[Throttlebot]]s hadn't shown up as the cavalry. {{storylink|Ladies' Night}} In response to that humiliation,'' Onslaught and the Combaticons hunted the Throttlebots down. The Throttlebots were trapped in a used car lot and the Combaticons were forced to bid for them in an auction against RAAT and the Protectobots, but Onslaught cut through this by trying to have the lot's owner assassinated. RAAT would get the Throttlebots and the Combaticons were beaten by [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]. {{storylink|Used Autobots}}

Onslaught's shining moment came when he got to lead a massed Decepticon assault on the Autobots, which came close to wiping them all out. {{storylink|Totaled!}}

=====Marvel UK future timelines=====
''In an alternate timeline after the attack of [[Unicron]] in 2006, Onslaught was still active in 2008 and was one of [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]'s lieutenants when the [[Quintesson]]s invaded. {{storylink|Space Pirates!}}''

====Generation 2====
Onslaught was one of the Decepticons operating aboard [[Warworld]]. At the death of [[Mindset]], a G2 Cybertronian killed light years away, Onslaught was briefly overcome by pain, hinting of a genetic connection between these two. {{storylink|Escalation!}} He was offlined along with the entire Combaticon team by [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] shortly thereafter, and this was never delved into. It is unknown if he was killed or later repaired. {{storylink|Total War!}}

{{note|The origin of the Combaticons in the Marvel Comic is somewhat unclear. The UK comic clearly indicated that the Combaticons were to be newly created on Earth by the Creation Matrix, much like the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] and [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]] were. While this could be inferred from the US comic, it was not explicitly stated. What makes things even more confusing is Onslaught's reaction to the death of Mindset in the Generation 2 comic. The clear inference there was that Mindset had cyber-genetically descended from Onslaught through the [[Reproduction|budding process]], implying then that Onslaught was around on Cybertron millions of years ago when budding was still performed.}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:Onslaughtwarwithin.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Those Autobots are in for some "wheel" trouble now!]]
Onslaught unleashed his considerable firepower against the Autobots during the Decepticon assault against [[Iacon (city-state)|Iacon]]. {{storylink|The War Within}} He and his fellow Combaticons were later upgraded into Combiners. After the Crisis Intervention Accords were enacted, however, it is unknown if Onslaught joined up separately with any faction.

After the Great Shutdown and the peace that followed it, Onslaught and the Combaticons were labeled as war criminals and held in stasis in a penitentiary. That is, at least until Starscream freed them. {{storylink|Revelation (War and Peace)|Revelation}}

When [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]] appeared on Earth, the battered Combaticons were ordered by Starscream to combine into Bruticus and deal with the crazed zealot. It did not end well. {{storylink|Black Sunshine}}

[[Image:Onslaught G1DW routeofallevil.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Well, isn't he a bossy one...]]

The repaired Combaticons were brought to Guadalcanal where they could hone their somewhat lackluster combat skills and listen to Starscream's long-winded aspirations of glory. Starscream ordered them to defeat the magnificent Autobot [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] as a means to train themselves for greater battles. Unfortunately, the Combaticons did not fare well when the crafty Autobot split into his two forms, with Onslaught nearly crushed by the Lynx's right paw as he was issuing orders. After Starscream deactivated Sky Lynx, Onslaught berated his team as buffoons for not paying attention to his battle plan.

This was the least of their troubles, however, as [[Predaking]] showed up as soon after Sky Lynx shut down. Onslaught ordered his men to keep moving and maintain formation so as to remain smaller, faster targets, then as they neared Predaking, formed Bruticus. This encounter did not end well either... {{storylink|The Route of All Evil}}
{{--}}
===''Transformers Legends'' anthology===
The discovery that Swindle was selling Decepticon weapons on the black market lead Megatron to berate Onslaught on his inability to keep his team member under control. Onslaught asked for another chance to get Swindle under control, but Megatron denied his request, giving [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] the task of bringing Swindle in. {{storylink|Two for the Price of One}}

===Devil's Due ''G.I. Joe vs. The Transformers'' comics continuity===
The Combaticons were among the Decepticon army on Cybertron when [[Serpent O.R.]] took control of it. As the new Decepticon leader was assaulted by Optimus Prime, he called Onslaught and several other subgroup leaders to his aid. Prime fought back, grabbing [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]]'s sword and slashing Onslaught with it. It is unclear if this killed him or merely damaged him, but Onslaught wasn't seen for the remainder of the battle. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 5|The Art of War #5}}

===IDW comics continuity===
[[Image:SpotlightArcee Onslaught.jpg|right|200px|thumb|[[JaAm|Crumplezone! Hump that tank!]]]]
Onslaught led the Combaticon tactical unit assigned to the [[Decepticon Secret Service]] under [[Banzai-Tron (G1)|Banzaitron]]'s command. They were the storming squad which participated in the ground assault raid of the [[Garrus-9]] penal facility, successfully blasting their way through Autobot resistance and capturing [[Pretender Monster|the "gestalt" transformers]]. He was the only one not to wee himself over [[Arcee (G1)|the pink death that is Arcee]], and he berated the other Combaticons for fearing her. {{storylink|Spotlight: Arcee}}

After a deal was negotiated between Arcee and Banzai-Tron, Onslaught and the other Combaticons later helped her in an attempt to recapture [[Monstructor (G1)|Monstructor]] (who had been stolen by [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] and [[Nova Prime|Nemesis Prime]]'s forces), though the insane Autobot disappeared mid-battle. {{storylink|Spotlight: Sideswipe}}

{{note|Due to the truncated nature of the ''[[Revelation (IDW)|Revelation]]'' miniseries, the outcome of this battle is unknown, though it appears that [[Devastator (G1)|the Secret Service won.]]}}

A few years later, Onslaught went to [[Earth]], where he was captured by the human organization [[Skywatch]]. He was among the deactivated captives retrieved by [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]'s team as they searched for more allies for their quest to get off the planet. {{storylink|A Rude Awakening}} When Swindle unleashed Menasor on the Autobots and the combiner was defeated, Onslaught was one of the Decepticons who managed to slip away. {{storylink|Earthworks}}

He was later hired by North Korean leader [[Kim Jong Du]] to lead an attack on South Korea, destroying a South Korean military outpost at the de-militarized zone in the process. He was surprised by a shot from a tank, but Brawl and Vortex quickly joined in and wiped out the human forces. This attack was directly responsible for the President of the United States declaring any country working with Cybertronians was considered in possession of weapons of mass destruction. {{storylink|The Transformers issue 9}}
{{--}}

===Transformers: ''Wings of Honor''===
{{charstubfiction}}

{{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 33|Onslaught's Wings of Honor profile}}

Onslaught was part of a [[Cybertron Elite Guard]] special ops unit created by [[Magnum]] to take out the various [[Decepticon leader|leaders]] of the new Decepticon faction, in the hopes of ending the war quickly. {{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 2}}

{{storylink|Flames of Yesterday}}
{{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 3}}
{{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 4}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1Onslaught toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|The Real American Decepticon]]
* '''Onslaught''' (1986, 1990)
**''Team ID number:'' '''C5'''
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-64'''
**''Accessories'': "[[Sonic stun-gun]]" rifle, double-barreled turret, chest shield, ramp, Bruticus chest shield, Bruticus head, left & right Bruticus fists, left & right Bruticus foot stands

: Originally designed for the aborted ''[[Diaclone]]'' line ''Jizai Gattai'' ("Free Combination") and then brought over to the ''Transformers'' toyline, Onslaught transforms into a dark blue and green mobile anti-aircraft truck of made-up origin, armed with a large double-barreled cannon mounted on the flatbed of his vehicle mode. Like all of the original four "Scramble City"-style combiner team leaders, he can also assume a base/gun emplacement mode with a ramp that smaller Combaticons can use, which can be connected to both the Autobot city [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] (a feature not mentioned in either toy's instructions, for obvious reasons) and to the Decepticon city [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] (a feature only documented in Trypticon's instructions). As with [[Motormaster]] and [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]], Onslaught was originally designed to feature a spring-loaded launching mechanism in base mode that would propel the smaller vehicles off him. Hasbro dropped the feature, perhaps [[for safety reasons]], but it was retained on the Japanese edition of the figure.

: In robot mode, Onslaught is armed with a long olive [[Sonic stun-gun|sonic stun-gun]] and is accessorized by a small chest plate. The gun can store on his backpack in either mode via two rectangular pegs which hold onto his gun sight. Holes in the side of the gun are, probably coincidentally, just the right size to peg in the smaller weapons from the other Combaticons—a feature that would be canonized only for the later Ruination version of the mold.

:Onslaught combines with the other Combaticon toys into Bruticus, forming the central body component of the super-robot with the addition of a large silver chest plate and Bruticus's head. He also comes with Bruticus's hands and feet.

: The complete set of Combaticons were re-released in the European-market "[[Classics (Europe)|Classics]]" line in 1990; these releases typically have the [[rubsign]] indent removed from the molding. However, Onslaught has his indent intact, and the indent remains even in more recent reuses of the mold.

: This mold was [[redeco]]ed as ''[[Operation Combination (toyline)|Operation Combination]]'' [[Great Cannon]], ''[[Robots in Disguise (toyline)|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Mega-Octane]], and ''[[Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' Mega-Octane.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Onslaught/onslaught.htm More information on Onslaught at TFU.info]''

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*'''Bruticus''' (Gift set, 1985, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''D-69'''

:Bruticus, along with the other Combaticons, were included in a [[giftset]] that was only available in [[Japan]] and [[Italy]].

:In 2009, this set was reissued under the ''[[Encore|Transformers Encore]]'' line, using the [[retool]]ed molds from the ''[[Car Robots]]'' and ''[[Robots in Disguise (toyline)|Robots in Disguise]]'' lines.
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====Encore====
*'''Bruticus''' (Encore Multi-Pack, Japan 2009)
**''ID number:'' '''16'''

:A reissue of the original G1 Onslaught, this is in reality a G1 Onslaught [[redeco]] of the Hasbro [[Mega-Octane]] version of the mold, complete with shortened rifle and all other subsequent mold changes and a plastic chest—however, the Japan-only base mode launcher mechanism was reinstated for this release. The mold also has quite a bit of visible mold wear-and-tear thanks to the inordinate number of times the Onslaught mold has been reused and [[retool]]ed.
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===Generation 2===
[[Image:G2Onslaught toy.jpg|right|250px|thumb|I am a Goofy Goober, yeah!]]
* '''Onslaught''' (1993)
**''Team ID number:'' '''C5'''
**''Accessories'': "Sonic stun gun" rifle, double-barreled turret, missile launcher, 2 missiles, chest shield, ramp, Bruticus chest shield, Bruticus head, left & right Bruticus fists, left & right Bruticus foot stands

: In ''Generation 2'', Onslaught was redecoed in a rather outlandish colour scheme of bright orange covered in purple camouflage, with purple replacing most of his olive and silver colours. The stickers on the back of his truck proudly state that he is indeed Onslaught. In this form he was reputedly "one metamorphin' dude-icus."

:His new spring-loaded missile launcher was taken from [http://www.yojoe.com/action/91/snowserpent2.shtml Snow Serpent] from the ''[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]'' toyline, and was the same one used by Gen2 [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] and [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]]. His backpack cannon was [[retool]]ed with a peg-hole to mount this new launcher. This is the only peg-hole on Onslaught to accommodate the gun's smaller peg, rather than its 5mm peg. (In theory the other smaller Combaticons can also hold the rifle, and their weapons can store on Onslaught's backpack now. Not that Onslaught's about to lend his gun to Swindle or Brawl.)

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1994/Decepticon/Onslaught/onslaught.htm More information on G2 Onslaught at TFU.info]''

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===Universe (2008)===
[[Image:Onslaughtuniverselegends.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Because ''Classics'' Legends [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] was super-popular.]]
*'''Onslaught''' (Legends, 2008)
**''Series'': Classic Series

: Part of the very first wave of ''[[Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Legends Class|Legends-class]] toys, Onslaught is a [[Redeco|redeco]] of Legends-class [[Cybertron (toyline)|''Cybertron'']] [[Red Alert (Armada)#LOC|Red Alert]], transforming into a SWAT-deco'd BTR-90 armored personnel carrier mounted with a top-mounted missile similar to a SCUD launcher. Because apparently SWAT teams now have missiles. Well, maybe in [[Chicago]].... Onslaught uses the Movie-style Decepticon symbol.

: This mold was also used to make [[Classics (2006)|''Classics'']] [[Perceptor (G1)#Classics|Perceptor]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/LegendsOnslaught/onslaught.htm More information on Universe Legends Onslaught at TFU.info]''

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* '''Onslaught''' (Ultra, 2008)
**''Accessories'': Shield

[[Image:Onslaughtuniversetoy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|He found your phone number and wants to ask you a few questions.]]
: The large ''Universe'' version of Onslaught transforms into a six-wheeled SWAT assault truck with top-mounted twin cannons. When the button on his rotating turret is pressed, electronic lights flash and one hears either machine gun fire or a siren sound. A rubber tread on the vehicle's middle left tire activates a third sound effect of him causing extensive property damage on something unfortunate enough to get caught under his wheels. In robot mode, a riot shield can detach from the top of the turret and connect to Onslaught's left arm, while a button on Onslaught's right arm spring-deploys an arm-mounted weapon. The robot mode cheats somewhat, having a second tow-winch on his belt-buckle immediately below his vehicle hood, while the actual vehicle mode winch splits in two to form his shoulders ([[#Notes|see below]] for more on this). Interestingly enough, Onslaught on his own stands almost exactly as tall as the combined mode of the original Bruticus toy.

:The Japanese [[TakaraTomy]] version of Onslaught was released in American ''Universe'' packaging as a USA Edition toy. He is redecoed to more closely resemble the colours of the original Onslaught toy and his appearance in the ''Generation 1'' cartoon.

:The first waves of Onslaughts gave only very brief clips of sound when that gimmick was activated; this was changed in the Japanese release and as a [[running change]] in the U.S. version, so that the gun and siren noises are now restored to their intended full lengths.

: "MONZO 12782" is [[tampograph]]ed onto the front of the vehicle mode on both versions, a reference by Hasbro to the ever-helpful [[Fandom|fan]] [[User:Monzo|Monzo]] and his birthdate, [[December 7]], [[1982]], or 12-7-82.

:This mold was redecoed as ''[[Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]] and retooled as ''[[Timelines (franchise)|Timelines]]'' [[Clench (G1)|Clench]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/TFUOnslaught/onslaught.htm More information on Universe Ultra-Class Onslaught at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:Universe-ROTF-toy_Onslaught.jpg|thumb|right|300px|[[Grindcore (G1)|Grindcore]] stole his design, so he stole Grindcore's colors.]]
*'''Bruticus Maximus''' (Box set, 2008)
**''Series'': G1 Series

:The third ''Universe'' Onslaught toy is a [[redeco]] of ''[[Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' [[Barricade (Energon)|Barricade]], transforming into an eight-wheeled armored personnel carrier with a rear-mounted (non-firing) missile rack that turns and elevates. Amusingly, Barricade has a more Onslaught-accurate colour scheme than ''Universe'' Onslaught. He was only available with ''Universe'' Bruticus Maximus giftset, and when combined with the other Combaticons, Onslaught forms the torso. Every Onslaught also has a paint error on the right robot knee, in that there is no paint around the hole immediately below the knee, where there ''is'' paint on the left one. This error is also evident in the box photos for the individual robot mode, but not the combined mode, curiously.

:As the Bruticus Maximus multi-pack was also released under the ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' banner, this toy is identical to ''Revenge of the Fallen'' [[Onslaught (ROTF)|Onslaught]], including the paint error. The mold was [[retool]]ed to make [[Heatwave]].

:For a little extra G1 flare, Onslaught's (as well as any other variations of the mold) missile rack in vehicle-mode can be clicked back to be dragged behind, elongating the entire vehicle, similar to the original toy.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/TargetOnslaught/onslaught.htm More information on Universe multipack Onslaught at TFU.info]''

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==Notes==
[[Image:Onslaughtmodelsheetshood.jpg|right|160px|thumb|Onslaught's early, unused character model (left) is more toy-accurate, if you ignore a heck of a lot.]]
* Onslaught's ability to combine with Metroplex is due to the fact that both were originally designed as part of the [[Diaclone]] line, where both were presumably part of the same faction. Neither were ever released under the Diaclone brand, as it had long since been overtaken by the Transformers.
* Like the rest of the Combaticons, Onslaught had an earlier, unused [[character model]] which superficially resembles the toy, other than the head design. There are other problems, such as wheel placement, but it's possible the artist of the unused character model was working off crappy source material.
[[Image:EuroClassicOnslaughtPurple.jpg|thumb|160px|]]
* When the unused character model was redrawn into the final character model, it kept the odd wheel placement and gave Onslaught his toy's head, but did some bizarre things with his transformation. Like with many of the other Combaticons' final character models, such as Swindle's, his torso is the bumper, hood, and roof of the vehicle mode flattened out. Years later, Onslaught's Ultra class ''Universe'' toy attempted to replicate this transformation scheme.
* The packaging of the 1990 European [[Classics (Europe)|Classics]] release of the original Onslaught toy depicted Onslaught and the Combaticons in new color schemes—Onslaught himself was mainly purple—despite the fact that the actual toys looked identical to their original releases. While it may never be known for certain, it has been theorized that these colors originated from a packaging printing error rather than a legitimate attempt to [[redeco]] the Combaticons.
[[Image:Universe Onslaught originalsculpt.jpg|right|160px|thumb|The dream is dead.]]
* In the [[commercial]] advertising the Generation 2 Aerialbots and Combaticons, Onslaught is referred to as "one metamorphin' dudicus". It is presently unknown what a dudicus ''is'', or what qualifications Onslaught has met to be the only known one.
* As revealed on Hasbro's ''Transformers'' website<ref>[http://hasbro.com/transformers/universe/default.cfm?page=News/Item&newsid=A795A47F-D56F-E112-48649ACADFB6ADDC Hasbro's preview of ''Universe'' Wave 1's toys]</ref>, ''Universe'' Ultra class Onslaught's original prototype featured a larger head that lacked a neck section, and the front section of his vehicle with a (non-functional) winch folded down to become his stomach and waist, as well as more cartoon-accurate sculpted detailing on his waist. However, on the final version of this mold, the winch remains on his shoulders while another winch is molded onto the battery cover as part of his waist.
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==References==
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==External links==
*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Onslaught Onslaught's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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Hub Network

2010-10-12T01:24:15Z

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[[Image:Thehubnetworklogo.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Beware programming manager [[Liege Maximo]].]]

'''The Hub''', previously known as the '''Hasbro-Discovery Communications Joint Venture Network''', is a new cable television network being developed by the '''[[Hasbro]]-Discovery Communications Joint Venture'''<ref>
Margaret Loesch is President of "Hasbro-Discovery Communications Joint Venture." A bit like inventing "New Technology #3" in Sid Meyers Civilization., isn't it?</ref>. It began broadcasting [[October 10]], [[2010]], replacing the channel formerly known as Discovery Kids.

The Hub will be the outlet for the ''[[Transformers: Prime]]'', ''[[My Little Pony]]'' and ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]] Renegades'' cartoons. Its management team is headed up by [[Margaret Loesch]], a veteran of the Transformers brand who worked on [[The Transformers (cartoon)|the original cartoon]].

Currently, Loesch and The Hub's senior Vice President of advertising sales [[Brooke Goldstein]] are negotiating with Hasbro's rival Mattel in an attempt to get the world's biggest toy company to buy advertising spots on the Hasbro-owned network.<ref>[http://adage.com/upfront2010/article?article_id=143861 "Can Hub Rally Rivals to Play With Hasbro?"; Andrew Hampp Advertising Age, May 17, 2010]</ref>

==Footnotes==
<references/>

==External links==
*[http://hubworld.com/ HubWorld.com, the official website for The Hub]
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9QPN5BP70I Commercial for The Hub]

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[[Category:Networks]]

Galvatron (G1)

2010-10-05T01:53:33Z

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{{disambig3.5|the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] Galvatron that appeared in most stories|the other Generation 1 Galvatron from an alternate future in the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel comic]]|Galvatron II|Galvatron}}{{suite}}
:''Galvatron is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Galvatrong1.jpg|right|350px|thumb|Bwaaaaah! Kneepad of Dooooom!]]
Born from the fires of [[Unicron]] himself, '''Galvatron''' is a focal point of power and madness given form. He is blind to all but his lust for power; his whims and desires can be sacrificed in a moment's rage. Not even his own subordinates are safe. Though he is not beyond the capacity for long-term goals, it is his unpredictability and his casual disregard for any and all life that strike such horror in friend and foe alike. Truly, the [[Decepticon leader]] is without any sense of empathy.

Galvatron was once [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], but was reborn from his death throes in a Faustian pact with Unicron. He retains the memories and spark of Megatron, but his personality was significantly altered after the near-death experience, massive physical upgrade, and reprogramming; just ask [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] about the difference. And all that was ''before'' he went insane. The cause and extent of Galvatron's madness varies between different timelines, as does his physical power. Sometimes he's all but invincible.

{{bigquote|Please, meet your end with dignity. I despise whiners.|Galvatron, allowing one of his [[Sweep|own troops]] to die|"[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 3]]"}}

{{bigquote|Before a society can move forward, everyone must agree on the rules. Now '''kneel!'''|Galvatron|"[[Fight or Flee]]"}}

:''Latin American name:'' '''Zan Rás'''<ref>Used in early Spanish-dubbed episodes of ''The Headmasters'', this name seems clearly based on/intended to be "[[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deszaras]]".</ref>
:''Mandarin name (Taiwan):'' '''Jjīa Bó Wáng''' (加博王, "King Galva" or "Galva [[Wiktionary:tron|Throne]]")
:''Mandarin name (China):'' '''Jing Po Tian'''（惊破天, "Sky-breaking Awe"）

==Fiction==
===Cartoon continuity===
====Generation 1 cartoon====
:''Voice actors:'' [[Leonard Nimoy]] (English, ''The Movie''), [[Frank Welker]] (English, television series), [[Seizō Katō]] (Japanese), [[Carl Béchard]] (French Canadian), [[Gerd Wiedenhofen]] (German, television series), [[Manfred Erdmann]] (German, ''The Movie''), [[Thomas Rauscher]] (German, ''Generation 2'' dubbing), [[Jean Claudio]] (French, television series)

[[Image:Tftm1986c.jpg|left|300px|thumb|He's more machine now than ma—oh wait, he was a machine to begin with. Never mind.]]
In 2005, after being mortally wounded by [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] during the [[Battle of Autobot City]], [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] was left to float aimlessly through space after being punted out of the overloaded Astrotrain by Starscream, who finally decided to take advantage of his near-death state to take command. He was summoned by [[Unicron]], who offered him a new body, a warship and new troops to command, so long as he destroyed the [[Autobot]] [[Matrix of Leadership]]. Megatron reluctantly accepted and was upgraded into '''Galvatron''', a more fearsome and powerful warrior, while his former troops were similarly [[Reformatting|reformatted]].

Galvatron quickly retook command of the Decepticons after killing the traitorous [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] in the middle of his coronation as the Decepticons' new leader. He then went to [[Earth]] and attacked [[Autobot City]] full-force. [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] led him away from Earth, and Galvatron chased him to the [[Junkion (planet)|Planet of Junk]], where he defeated Magnus and took the Matrix, intending to use it against Unicron.

[[Image:TFTM-strangle.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Nothing can save you, Autobot, except maybe the powerful artifact around my neck! But that'll never happen.]]

Galvatron could not open the Matrix, however, and as punishment for his treachery, Unicron transformed and began tearing Cybertron apart. Horrified, Galvatron transformed to cannon emplacement mode and opened fire on Unicron, but his shots had no effect and the dark god swallowed him whole. Inside Unicron's belly, he met up with [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]. Though he initially suggested an alliance with the young Autobot against the mutual threat of his master, the Chaos Bringer mentally tortured Galvatron for his attempted treachery and then forced him to attack Hot Rod. Hot Rod eventually managed to wrest the Matrix away from Galvatron and open it, leading to his transformation into Rodimus Prime. Flush with new power, Rodimus hurled Galvatron from inside Unicron and into deep space. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}

But this would not be the end of Galvatron.

[[Image:FFOD2 Scourge rescuing Galvatron.jpg|left|thumb|250px|He'll never be let back into this country club ever again.]]

The weakened Decepticons were subsequently routed by the Autobots and forced off of Cybertron, relocating to the burned-out world of [[Chaar]]. After eking out a living there in energy-deprived squalor for some time, they were visited by [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], who'd finally decided to return the Decepticons to glory by seeking out the lost Galvatron. They found him sunk in a lava pit on the distant planet [[Thrull]] and managed to free him. However, the effects of the "plasma bath" irrevocably altered Galvatron's sanity chips, rendering him omnicidally insane. Upon regaining his freedom, he thrashed Cyclonus and Scourge and sundered Thrull. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 2}} Told that the [[human]]s and Autobots had collaborated to build a space station as Earth's first line of defense, he was highly amused, and headed for the nearest [[Warp Gate]]. On reaching [[Outpost One]], he and his men attacked the station, quickly destroying it and coincidentally damaging the shuttle piloted by [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] and [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]]. Galvatron spotted the shuttle making a break for [[Jupiter]], and demanded the heads of the Autobots as souvenirs. With one blast, he destroyed the ship, but the two occupants had escaped and began plummeting into the planet's atmosphere. One Sweep, blasted by Wheelie, cried out to Galvatron to save him, but was only told to meet his end with dignity. Galvatron then blasted a nearby storm cell, causing an implosion.

[[Image:FFOD2 Galvatron sparks.JPG|right|thumb|300px|Plasma is the Sniffling, Sneezing, Aching, Coughing, Stuffy-head, Fever, So-You-Can-Bwaah! medicine.]]

{{bigquote|It's music! The symphony of destruction and the anthem of agony!|Galvatron loves an atmospheric implosion|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 3}}

Believing the Autobots to be destroyed, Galvatron ordered Cyclonus to take him to [[Chaar]]. He was shocked at the conditions that the Decepticon army were forced to live under, and was even more surprised to be told by [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] that the bulk of the Decepticon forces had left under new leadership. Incensed, he announced that he was the leader of the Decepticons, and the usurpers would pay. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 3}} He and his loyal men swiftly found the rest of the Decepticons fighting the Autobots on [[Goo]], and Galvatron swiftly ordered an attack. When Cyclonus inquired who they were attacking, Galvatron simply replied "everyone". After making [[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]] beg for his life, Galvatron succeeded in regaining the loyalty of his troops, and turned his attention on those who had usurped him in the first place—the [[Quintesson]]s. The Quintessons attempted to negotiate, successfully bluffing Galvatron with stories of a [[Decepticon Matrix|Decepticon Matrix of Leadership]] which they would give him if he destroyed the Autobots down on Goo. Although he tried, the Autobots were snatched from danger by the [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]]. Still, he got to destroy Goo, and the Quintessons were subsequently able to persuade him to join forces with them to destroy both the Autobots and the humans.

[[Image:FFOD5 Galvatron lever.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Oooooh, what does this bu-tton dooo?]]
Plans were swiftly drawn to attack simultaneously on Earth and Cybertron. On Earth, the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]]s constructed [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] from a human city, while a decoy human shuttle was crashed into the central power facility on Cybertron, knocking out the planet's defences. Galvatron himself led the attack on Cybertron, unaware that the Quintessons plotted against him. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}} The battle going well, Galvatron sent Blitzwing to give a status report to their allies, but was angered when the triple-changer returned a short time later to say that not only had he not given the status report, but there was no Decepticon Matrix. Blitzwing was soon sent hurtling towards the Autobots. Galvatron soon followed the Autobots and the now-traitorous Blitzwing to a chamber deep inside Cybertron, where a [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticon]] had been about to pull a [[large switch|lever]]. Convinced that the switch had something to do with the Decepticon Matrix, Galvatron pulled it himself—and every [[Transformer]] in the galaxy shut down. Fortunately the human [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] destroyed the switch, returning the Transformers to life. Though Galvatron chased the Quintessons, they swiftly escaped in a pod. He was then prevented from blasting Rodimus by Blitzwing, and angrily told the triple-changer that he was no longer welcome in the ranks of the Decepticons before ordering a retreat. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}}

[[Image:Chaos Galvatron cannon.jpg|right|200px|thumb|The Decepticon palette was out of everything but purple.]]
Informed by [[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]] of a new type of ammunition, [[Death crystal]]s, Galvatron went to planet [[Dread]], where the crystals originated, intending to carry out a new plan—build a cannon which would fire Death crystals at Cybertron. He found a ready-made work force in the slaves left behind by the [[Orb]]s, and soon had a giant cannon constructed. Just as all was ready, a group of Autobots, led to the planet by [[Kup (G1)|Kup]], attacked the installation. [[Predaking]] was able to keep them busy while he lined up for a shot at Cybertron, however Kup was also keeping busy, freeing the slaves and waking the monster [[Chaos (alien)|Chaos]]. During the confusion of the slave revolt, Kup used the Death crystal cannon to destroy Chaos and causing the volcano to erupt. Galvatron was last seen fleeing the swiftly moving lava. {{storylink|Chaos (episode)|Chaos}}

While hunting an Autobot shuttle through space, Galvatron and his lieutenants managed to utterly destroy the ship. Not one to fall for the [[The Transformers: The Movie|same trick]] twice, Galvatron continued searching the area until the Decepticons detected the shuttle's lifepod flying towards an enormous structure. This "funeral barge" carried in it the deactivated bodies of the Autobots who died during the Great War. Galvatron and his lieutenants pursued Rodimus Prime's crew into the barge, but were driven off by the sudden arrival of Optimus Prime, seemingly back from the dead. {{storylink|Dark Awakening}}

[[Image:FightOrFlee Galvatron orders.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Galvatron strangles the Invisible Swordsman.]]
When Scourge and Cyclonus alerted him to the location of a pacifistic and energon-rich world known as [[Paradron]], Galvatron saw a perfect opportunity for conquest. The Decepticon invasion of Paradron was brief but brutal, and the populace was converted into slave labor. One Paradronian Transformer named [[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]] escaped, however, and brought the Autobots back to free his people. Eventually the Autobots detonated the planet's primary energon core, destroying the planet itself and driving off Galvatron's troops. {{storylink|Fight or Flee}}

Following his defeat by [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], Trypticon had been sent to [[Dinobot Island (G1)|Dinobot Island]] for recuperation. When the Decepticon fueler [[Octane]] removed him, Galvatron went looking for the missing duo and found them consorting with humans in [[Socialist Democratic Federated Republic of Carbombya|Carbombya]]. He was ready to annihilate the "traitor" Octane for defying his orders, but Octane quickly explained that the purefied Carbombyan oil made for a super-energon mixture, powerful enough to recharge Trypticon (and, hopefully, make him larger than a small Combiner again). The Autobots soon arrived, however, and drove the Decepticons out of Carbombya. {{storylink|Thief in the Night}} Galvatron apparently reverted to his original assessment of Octane after this debacle, and drove him out of the Decepticons. When Octane began running cargo for the Autobots, he even sent the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]] and a [[Skuxxoid|freelance thug]] out to assassinate the traitor. Eventually, Cyclonus and the Sweeps seemingly plucked Octane from the Autobots' grasp on Cybertron itself, and brought him to Chaar for Galvatron to interrogate. Using the information he "coerced" from Octane, Galvatron caught Rodimus Prime alone and engaged him in single combat. Unfortunately, the whole thing was a ruse set up by Octane and Starscream's ghost, who was possessing Cyclonus at the time. Galvatron was abandoned in the presence of Rodimus, Ultra Magnus and a full Autobot battle group. In what was surely an epic battle (that we sadly didn't see a minute of), Galvatron ultimately escaped and made his way back to Chaar, deposing the usurpers and seemingly driving off the ghost of Starscream. {{storylink|Starscream's Ghost}}

Upon learning that the Autobots intended to host a first annual peace conference on Cybertron, Galvatron was dead set against letting their plans succeed. Despite several sabotage attempts by the Combaticons, Cyclonus and the Sweeps, though, the conference went through as planned. {{storylink|Surprise Party}}

[[Image:StarscreamsGhost Galvatron smoking.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Spontaneous combustion? What the hell is th—]]
Despite Galvatron's earlier attempts to be rid of him, Starscream's ghost returned to plague the Decepticons again. He partnered with Scourge against the Decepticons, kidnapped [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]], and even stole one of Trypticon's eyes, leaving Galvatron even more infuriated than usual at this constant undermining of his operations. When Starscream returned once more and possessed Trypticon himself, it was the last straw, and Galvatron led a full Decepticon battle group after "Trypticon" to Cybertron. The fighting was fruitless, however, and eventually the Decepticons limped away, having exhausted all their weaponry. Not long thereafter, Galvatron's [[particle cannon]] had apparently recharged, because he took several parting shots at Starscream while his "ghost" tumbled uncontrollably through space. {{storylink|Ghost in the Machine}}

[[Image:GalvatronWebworld.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Well, that's all wrapped up...]]
Although Galvatron led the Decepticons on many wacky adventures against the Autobots throughout 2006, his insanity would usually lead to each mission ending in failure. (He loved shooting his own troops, for instance.) At one point, his derangement became so severe, the Decepticon "union officials" [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]], Motormaster and [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] threatened to strike. The perpetually loyal Cyclonus was left little choice but to dupe Galvatron into taking therapy sessions (albeit by force) on [[Torkulon]], the therapy planet. After nearly murdering an attendant during a word-association session and somehow building a gun in an arts and crafts class, Galvatron was deemed incurable by conventional methods. The doctors attempted to use living extensions of the planet to give him a lobotomy (much to Cyclonus's disapproval), but Galvatron broke free and murdered the sentient organic core of Torkulon. While the planet's core was connected to Galvatron's mind the planet began to go mad, with several of the organic planets functions going out of control. After that, he razed the entire planet's civilization, leaving them so broken it would take centuries to rebuild. After his connection to the planet he appeared to have regained some of his sanity. {{storylink|Webworld}}

A new plan saw the Constructicons building engines into the side of a comet, with the intention to crash it into Metroplex on Earth. Unsurprisingly the engines were destroyed by the Autobots before they could even be fired up, however the comet was set on course to a nearby world. The comet was shortly obliterated by sound waves emanating from the planet, also causing the Transformers present to plummet to its surface. Galvatron took [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]], intending to find the source of the sonic weapon and use it against the Autobots. Although the Autobots reached the city first, meeting with the leader of [[Eurythma]], the two Decepticons eavesdropped and were able to establish that they needed to talk to [[Allegra]]. After dropping a bridge on the Autobots, Galvatron and Soundwave were able to talk Allegra into giving them her part of the harmony, and then obtained the other two parts of the harmony in quick succession. The Decepticons headed for Earth to attack Metroplex. Unfortunately Soundwave's attempt to use the destructive harmony were thwarted by the Eurythmans' use of [[anti-sound]]. The Decepticons retreated, though Galvatron raged that he hadn't ordered it. {{storylink|Carnage in C-Minor}}

[[Image:BigBroadcast Galvatron with static.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo!]]
Galvatron was in one of his more obstinate moods when Astrotrain came to Chaar reporting on how the [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]] had apparently turned against the Autobots. Even when Cyclonus began advocating for intervention on the matter, Galvatron still couldn't bring himself to care. Eventually, however, the hypnotic television signals being beamed to the Junkions to alter their behavior made their way to Galvatron, along with the rest of the galaxy. He was subliminally drawn into a massive conflict in the skies over the planet of [[Junk]], all part of a Quintesson ploy to create a massive diversion and recover one of their lost journals from Junk. Only after [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] jammed the signal did the television stop "bewitching" Galvatron. {{storylink|The Big Broadcast of 2006 (episode)|The Big Broadcast of 2006}} When [[Predaking]] later happened across that same Quintesson journal, Galvatron joined Cyclonus and the Sweeps in an effort to steal the journal away from both the Autobots and the Quintessons. It played like a game of hot potato for a while, but ultimately the Autobots got the journal and the Decepticons just gave up. {{storylink|The Quintesson Journal}}

One day, Galvatron was in the middle of a morale speech for his troops (re: right about to blast the closest Sweeps into stray particles for sheer pique), when he was interrupted by Quintesson visitors. After his last few dealings with the creatures, Galvatron was ready to blast these Quintessons all the same, but they gave him a gentle lecture about the unfairness of stereotyping which somehow convinced Galvatron to listen to the tentacled freaks. Galvatron brought Cyclonus and the five Sweeps with him to Cybertron, following the Quintessons' directions to the Autobots' new [[power core]] beneath the planet's surface. Searching for the power core, the Decepticons inadvertently let loose the monstrous [[Trans-Organic|Trans-Organics]] and the massive energy-draining [[Dweller]]. The Dweller began leeching the life from Galvatron's troops one by one as they tried to flee from the creature. Galvatron showed his heart-felt respect for Cyclonus by throwing all the Sweeps into the creature's path ''first''. He even paused for a moment to look back when the Dweller finally caught Cyclonus as well. Galvatron didn't actually try to ''help'' or anything, but I'm sure Cyclonus would have appreciated the thought alone. {{storylink|The Dweller in the Depths}}

[[Image:G1 UltimateWeapon UltimateWeapon!.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Decepticons, I have found the remote control!]]
Thanks to his plasma damage, Galvatron's sanity really had its ups and down. He was arguably on an upswing during a series of assaults on human and Autobot positions in Europe. Using the attacks as a diversion, Galvatron sent Swindle to infiltrate Metroplex and steal his transforming cog, leaving the city-bot helpless for a rematch with Trypticon. In addition, he began taunting the insecure leader Rodimus Prime with his so-called "[[Ultimate Weapon]]", a doomsday device just waiting to be unleashed. As well thought-out and cunning as this scheme may have been, it ultimately fell apart. The Autobots stole Galvatron's idea by taking Trypticon's transforming cog just as Swindle had stolen Metroplex's. Rodimus Prime eventually wised up about the "Ultimate weapon" as well: he called Galvatron's bluff and forced the Decepticon leader to admit he was holding nothing more than a 7-2 off-suit. {{storylink|The Ultimate Weapon}}

Deep in space, Galvatron was attempting to surpass a Quintesson [[quadrant lock]] when the Quintessons and several Autobots interrupted his efforts. In one of his more manic phases at the time, Galvatron chose to stake his claim by hurling Cyclonus face-first through the lock once the Quintessons began to open it. {{storylink|The Face of the Nijika}}

Galvatron once attempted to destroy the Autobots by feeding [[Anti-electron|anti-electrons]] into their new power generator. The initial attempt failed, so the Decepticons tried to raid Unicron's head for a new source of anti-electrons inside the planet-eater's brain. The Autobots arrived shortly after Galvatron's team, so he sent his new [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcon]] beasts to occupy the heroes. Galvatron was undone by his own scheming, however, as the anti-electrons had temporarily turned the Dinobot [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] into a super-intelligent genius. Grimlock built a new team of Autobot warriors called [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]] from scratch, right inside Unicron's head. The Technobots were skilled enough to destroy Galvatron's new source of anti-electrons, and drive off the Terrorcons' combined form of [[Abominus (G1)|Abominus]]. {{storylink| Grimlock's New Brain}}

[[Image:CallPrimitives Galvatron and Cyclonus in space.jpg|right|200px|thumb|"Okay, how the hell did I fit in you?!" "I don't know mighty Galvatron, but I wish you'd try more often."]]
In a major fight with the Autobots, a large number of Galvatron's troops began staring off into space in the middle of the battle. He lost some of his best soldiers to this effect, like Trypticon, the Predacons, the Terrorcons, Soundwave's Mini-Cassettes...okay, maybe not the Cassettes, but the rest were important. Galvatron ended the fight to go chasing after the deserters, only to be caught by the power of [[Tornedron]] and drained of all his energy. It was only thanks to the fleeing [[Primitive|Primitives]] that Tornedron's effect was eventually reversed. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}

[[Image:Matrix burden 1.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Who are YOU gonna call?]]
Galvatron was very pleased when [[Dead End (G1)|Dead End]] and [[Wildrider]] returned from a scouting mission on Earth, having beaten Rodimus Prime and claimed the Matrix of Leadership itself. Galvatron tried to load the Matrix into his particle cannon as a power source, but instead of energy blasts, it summoned the ghosts of departed Autobot leaders. They spooked Galvatron into getting rid of the Matrix, but his underling Scourge claimed the Matrix for himself and managed to magnify his powers a thousandfold. Scourge used his newfound might to overthrow Galvatron and the loyal Cyclonus, temporarily claiming control of the Decepticons. Galvatron and Cyclonus eventually recovered and came to Earth just after Scourge lost the Matrix back to Rodimus Prime. After a few quick particle blasts for emphasis, though, Galvatron soon accepted Scourge back into the Decepticons. {{storylink|The Burden Hardest to Bear}}

[[Image:ReturnOptimusPrime2 Prime Galvatron.JPG|right|200px|thumb|"Just like the good old times, isn't it Prime?" "There were no good times, ya creep."]]
Galvatron and the Decepticons had arrived early to reserve their seats at a football stadium, when [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] flew in with news that Optimus Prime's body had been preserved at a nearby laboratory. Unfortunately, the Decepticons arrived just in time to be infected by the outbreak of the [[Hate Plague]]. Galvatron fled when his warriors turned crazed. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 1}} Half-mad to begin with at the best of times, Galvatron soon learned that even the one-eyed man cannot always rule the kingdom of the blind, and found himself on the run from half the galaxy. However, despite his insanity, he teamed up with the resurrected Optimus Prime to stop the [[Hate Plague]]. Galvatron wound up becoming infected by the plague and attempted to kill an unconscious Optimus Prime with an axe. Optimus woke up in the nick of time and opened the Matrix directly in Galvatron's face. The wisdom of the Matrix not only cured the universe of the Hate Plague, it cured Galvatron's madness as well. Well, kinda. Grateful, Galvatron sanely declared, "There will be no war today, Optimus. You have earned Galvatron's respect," and called a brief truce. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2}}

In 2007, Galvatron called off the truce and led an assault on Autobot City, searching for the Key to the [[Plasma Energy Chamber]]. Although seemingly lucid during this period, he formulated what was perhaps his most genocidal and unbalanced scheme ever: Having converted Cybertron into a galactic dreadnought, Galvatron manoeuvred it into Earth's orbit, planning to release the Plasma Energy Chamber's payload into Earth's sun, Sol. The resulting supernova would wipe both Earth and Cybertron off the face of the galaxy, presumably leaving Galvatron to gain mastery over everything left. Grudgingly teamed with the Transformer-[[Nebulan]] hybrid [[Scorponok (G1)|Lord Zarak]], Galvatron was eventually defeated and sent tumbling through space, ushering Cybertron into a new Golden Age. After regaining control, Galvatron vowed to collect energy from disparate corners of the galaxy and return to Cybertron: "We will attack other planets, we will suck them dry! We will build a planet a hundred times more powerful than Cybertron, and I will rule the galaxy!" Zarak made it clear he intended it to be a "we" leadership. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 3}}

====Japanese cartoon continuity====
{{note|The events of the Generation 1 cartoon occur in this timeline as above, except that the events following ''The Transformers: The Movie'' are pushed back to 2010 (creating a five-year gap between Galvatron's creation and his return), and the events of "The Rebirth" do not occur. The Japanese animated continuity subsequently adds several new adventures into the timeline, both during the Generation 1 cartoon and after it, as detailed below.}}

=====''Kiss Players''=====
After being hurled out of Unicron and into space by Rodimus Prime, Galvatron's flight path was disrupted by the [[Sparkbot|Sparkbots]], a trio of Unicron's servants who were already working to resurrect their master. The Decepticon leader crash-landed on the planet [[Earth]], obliterating the city of [[Tokyo]]. This catastrophic loss of life destroyed [[Human]]-[[Transformer]] relations and led to the formation of the [[Earth Defense Command]], a governmental organization which drove Transformers from the face of the planet. Appropriating Galvatron's remains, the EDC reverse-engineered a fleet of human-operated "[[Autorooper]]" Transformers to perform this task.

As 2006 settled in, Galvatron's impact was revealed to have had an even greater effect than anyone had expected: The blast caused by his impact had scattered his Unicron-empowered cells throughout the planet's atmosphere. When his cells came into contact with other objects and animals, they fused with them, creating an army of monstrous creatures referred to as "[[Legion]]". This disastrous event also created the means to defend the world against Legion, however: When Galvatron's cells came into contact with human beings, these humans gained the ability to fuse with other entities containing his cells. With their Autoroopers being the perfect candidates for this "[[ParasiTech]]" fusion process, the EDC began recruiting and training these "[[Kiss Player|Kiss Players]]" as combat squads to battle the Legion.

Seeking to uncover the ulterior motives of EDC Commander [[Hitoshizuku Amaō]], Kiss Players [[Marissa Faireborn]], [[Shaoshao Li]] and [[Atari Hitotonari]] discovered the remains of Galvatron beneath the EDC headquarters. Amaō's plan to use the Legions to resurrect her daughter, who had died in Galvatron's impact, was foiled when all the Legions and Autoroopers fused with Galvatron's corpse, restoring his cells and reconstituting his body. Galvatron's body was shot back into space, where it went on to crash on Thrull. {{storylink|Kiss Players (manga)|Kiss Players}}

=====''The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers'' manga=====
Galvatron had plenty of devious schemes up his sleeve throughout 2010, opening with the nutty idea of a spaceship that ate other spaceships, which Rodimus Prime promptly blew up. {{storylink|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers issue 1}}

Galvatron went back to his roots for his next scheme, creating a clone army of Megatrons that he dubbed the "[[Megatron Corps]]". Galvatron disguised himself as one of the Megatrons and controlled them remotely, making them an effective fighting force that the Autobots had trouble dealing with, until his disguise was penetrated and his control over the robots broken. {{storylink|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers issue 2}}

He later attacked Autobot City with [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]], but was forced to retreat when [[Six-Gun]] destroyed Trypticon's controls with a blast from [[Brunt (G1)|Brunt]]. {{storylink|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers issue 3}}

On one notable occasion, Galvatron challenged Rodimus Prime to a one-on-one duel in order to lure him into a trap set up in partnership with the Quintessons. In the middle of the fight, the Quintessons' newest creation, an Optimus Prime/Megatron hybrid robot known as [[Guiltaur]], arrived to attack Rodimus, but Galvatron was shocked when Guiltaur turned on him as well. Rodimus and Galvatron called a truce long enough for them to team up and destroy Guiltaur, who, it was revealed, had been possessed by Starscream's ghost. With that threat dealt with, they called off the truce. {{storylink|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers issue 4}}

Next, Galvatron attempted to steal the [[Prime Energy Tower]] of the planet [[Feminia]] with an all-out assault. The Autobots defended the tower, but were overwhelmed by Galvatron's unit of [[Combiner]]s; the scales tilted in his favor thanks to the presence of [[Predaking]]. Galvatron's victory was assued until the [[Omnibot (G1)|Omnibot]]s arrived and toppled the Combiners. {{storylink|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers issue 5}}.

=====''The Great Transformer War'' manga=====
Later in 2010, Galvatron kidnapped [[Doctor Dalton]], a brilliant scientist from the planet [[Eran]], but Dalton refused to work with the Decepticons and lent his aid to the Autobots instead, upgrading the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]] so they could defeat the [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcons]]. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 1}}

One of the Terrorcons' upgrades included a sticky goo that forced the Technobots into working for the Decepticons. Through the intervention of [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]], however, the Technobots were freed and the Terrorcons defeated. Galvatron cursed the human for interfering, but declared that his next evil scheme would be one the Autobots would never forget. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 2}}

After the resurrection of Optimus Prime and the curing of the Hate Plague, Galvatron hastily broke his vow that there would be no war, and he, Cyclonus and Scourge battled Prime, Hot Rod and [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] in space, only to be defeated. Galvatron immediately returned to [[Chaar]] and dispatched [[Sixshot]] to retrieve the Decepticon Headmasters, as he had need of them for his assault on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 3}}

=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Seizō Katō]] (Japanese)
In 2011, a side effect of releasing the Matrix's energy to cure the Hate Plague was revealed when the mega-computer [[Vector Sigma]] began to destabilize. Seeking to exploit this imbalance, Galvatron attacked Cybertron, his forces now bolstered by the addition of new [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] warriors from the planet [[Master (planet)|Master]]. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}} The arrival of a team of Autobot Headmasters repelled the invasion, but it was then revealed that the Matrix was hidden somewhere on Earth, recharging, and the race began to acquire it and use it to gain control over Vector Sigma. {{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}} Hot Rod ultimately succeeded in obtaining the Matrix and becoming Rodimus Prime again, and he and Optimus Prime joined forces to defeat Galvatron. Though beaten in battle, Galvatron did at least take solace in the fact that Optimus Prime once again met his end {{storylink|Birth of the Fantastic Double Prime}}

Later Galvatron decided to have another crack at taking control of Vector Sigma by creating the [[Madmachine]]. To aid him in this plan he revived Soundwave as ''Soundblaster'' uasing [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s Transector technology. Galvatron then ordered Sixshot to test the Madmachine on Metroplex. The test was success, he then ordered Sixshot to retreat. Galvatron had the Madmachine and the Decepticon Headmasters sent to Cybertron to take control of Vector Sigma. He gave control of it to Soundblaster, however Galvatron's base on Charr was invaded by Blaster who had been revived as ''Twincast'' who destroyed the Control in Soundblaster’s chest. This allowed The Autobot Headmasters to destory the Madmachine. {{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}}.

Later Galvatron had occupied planet Beast and taken most of the civilians (known as [[Beastformers]]) prisnor, execpt for those who would follow them. Galvatron was informed by [[Alligatoron]] of Fortress Maximus’s arrival on Beast. Galvatron oredered the Beastformers destroy the Autobot's. When Rodimus arived Galvatron showed up and battled Rodimus. Cyclonus and Scourge tried to help but damaged Galvatron instead. Galvatron continued to battle Rodimus but was forced into reatret after Fortress Maximus came and beat him. {{storylink|Rebellion on Planet Beast}}.

Later a [[Sixshot|shadow figure]] appered on TV and demaned Earth's energy. Cyclonus and Scourge suggested that the Shadow figure get's the energy then they take it from him. After an argument betwen them Galvatron apporved the plan. Galvatron later found out that there plan failed and they stole Trypticon, who had been damaged in a fite with The Autobot Headmasters and [[Raiden]]. He was far from happy. {{storylink|Terror of the Six Shadows}}

After many failed atempt's to control Cybertron Galvatron set his sights on [[Cybertonuron]], a powerful new alloy being developed by Vector Sigma. The Decepticon Headmaster leader, Scorponok, advocated the destruction of the alloy to prevent the Autobots from obtaining it, but when Galvatron refused to consider the notion, Scorponok took matters into his own hands and had powerful bombs planted in Vector Sigma's chamber. {{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 1}} Scorponok told Galvatron what he had done, and the enraged Decepticon leader ran into the chamber to try and stop the explosion, only to be caught in the blast. Cybertron was reduced to a burnt-out husk, and Galvatron was left missing in action. {{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 2}}

[[Image:Grandgalvatron.jpg|left|180px|thumb|Galvatron's been getting into the energon goodies jar.]]
Galvatron was thought dead for some time, and during his absence, Scorponok proclaimed himself the new Decepticon leader, only for Galvatron to turn up alive and well during his coronation. {{storylink|Return of the Immortal Emperor}} Galvatron retook command of the Decepticons and began a devious plot, taking the Decepticons on a series of interplanetary raids that saw them steal energy from numerous different worlds.

Sixshot came up with a plan to set Galvatron's plan into action. By wiping out the Autobot's. Galvatron approved and had The Combaticons, the Terrorcons and the Horrorcons sent with him to Earth. This plan resulted in the death of [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus Dies!!}}

After returning to Earth with a massive stockpile of [[Energon (fuel)|energon]], Galvatron confided to his most trusted warrior, [[Sixshot]], that he intended to use the energon as part of a process that would transform Earth into a new, all-powerful, Unicron-like body for him, dubbed "[[Grand Galvatron]]". Additionally, he explained that this process would require only the best components from his most powerful warriors, making it quite clear that he intended to sacrifice Sixshot and the other Decepticons for this insane ambition. Aghast, Sixshot betrayed Galvatron to Scorponok as quickly as possible, leaving the Decepticon leader alone to battle the Autobot Headmasters in Alaska. Thankfully for the Autobots, their double-agent [[Punch (G1)|Punch]] had eavesdropped on Galvatron and Sixshot's conversation, during which Galvatron had revealed that his head was his weakest point. With this information to aid them, the Headmasters entered [[Head Formation]] and laid Galvatron low, collapsing an iceberg on top of him and entombing him in ice. {{storylink|The Emperor of Destruction Vanishes on an Iceberg}}

Galvatron would remain buried in the ice for over fifteen years, until he was resurrected by [[Dark Nova]] as the new and improved [[Megatron (G1)|Super Megatron]]. {{storylink|The Battlestars (story page)|The Battlestars Part 6}}

=====''The Headmasters'' comic=====

On planet [[Chaar]], Galvatron ordered the [[Headmasters of Evil]] to head for planet [[Athenia]] and show the Autobots their "true power". Their "true power" involved trying to blow up the Battleship Maximus with a goofy explosive and failing. Galvatron was displeased. {{storylink|The Headmasters issue 1}}

Later, while [[White Leo]] was abset from [[Beast (planet)|Beast]], Galvatron made a second attempt to conquer it with the united forces of his Decepticons and the Decepticon [[Beastformer]]s. With the aid of [[Kane]], the Autobots and the Autobot Beastformers were able to hold the Decepticons off long enough for White Leo to return and send them into a retreat. Galvatron callously left [[Alligatoron]] and the Decepticon Beastformers behind to face justice as he and his troops escaped into space. {{storylink|Great Decisive Battle of Planet Beast!}}

=====''Super-God Masterforce'' comic=====

Galvatron, believed to be buried alive in an iceburg, would return to menace the [[Headmaster Junior]]s with an army of legendary Decepticon warriors. "Galvatron" and all his troops, however, were eventually revealed to be nothing more than holograms created by the Decepticon [[Godmaster]]s to fool the Autobots. {{storylink|Burn, Super Soul! The New Commander Super Ginrai!}}

=====''15 Go! Go!'' manga=====
[[Image:TGGGalvatron.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Crazy AND toy-accurate.]]
At some point after 2025, when Optimus Prime had been restored to life once more as Star Convoy, the mobile computer [[Teletraan 15]] traveled forward in time from 2005 to this era as part of a mission gather data to rebuild [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I]]'s damaged databanks. During her visit, as Star Convoy and Hot Rod prepared to battle Ultra Megatron, a [[transwarp]] wormhole suddenly opened above the combatants, and a massive blast shot emerged from it and struck Hot Rod. Badly damaged, Hot Rod could barely warn his commander as Galvatron, appearing from some unknown spot in space and time, descended through the portal. Tearing Teletraan 15's arm off, Galvatron gripped the limb in his [[teeth]] as he maniacally throttled Hot Rod. Teletraan 15 passed out and woke up some time later with the outcome of the battle unknown, though she remained haunted by images of the crazed Decepticon clutching her limp and helpless friend. {{storylink|15 Go! Go!}}

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===''Scramble City'' (toy version)===
{{note|This fifteen-minute, stop-motion, extended toy advert retells the story of the original ''[[Scramble City: Mobilization]]'' OVA with the addition of Galvatron. Created before the Japanese production staff were aware that Galvatron was a recreated Megatron, this OVA features the infamous gaffe that presents Galvatron and Megatron as separate characters. It ain't in continuity with jack, yo.}}
During a massive brawl between the Autobot and Decepticon [[Combiner|combiners]], Megatron took the upper hand. To counter this, Optimus Prime ordered [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] to enter the fray. Metroplex rolled onto the scene and towered over his enemies, with City Commander Ultra Magnus in tow. Not to be outdone, Megatron ordered his ''own'' [[City Commander]] to enter battle. Beaming down from the sky on a ball of light, the silent and menacing Galvatron stormed the battle. Transforming into cannon mode, Galvatron fired a blast of energy at Ultra Magnus, who quickly transformed to robot mode and engaged his foe in hand-to-hand combat. As the fight seemed evenly matched, City Commander Galvatron's ''city'' finally arrived to tip the odds: [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]! {{storylink|Scramble City (toy version)|Scramble City}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
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''There were multiple Galvatrons from various alternate futures who often time-jumped to give the Autobots trouble. There are between 2 and 5 different Galvatrons; the exact number remaining inconclusive.''

====Galvatron I====
[[Image:Target 2006 Prologue Galvatron, Scourge & Cyclonus.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Darn that Soundwave.]]
''After being scolded by [[Unicron]] in 2006, Galvatron was ordered to attack Earth and destroy the [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]]. He ordered "Decepticons, to Earth!" but what he REALLY meant was Earth...1986!''

''Time-jumping from the year 2006 and freeing himself from Unicron's control, Galvatron intended to create a device that would be powerful enough to destroy Unicron in 2006. Galvatron brought Cyclonus and Scourge with himself, and as an effect of time-travel, replaced three Autobots ([[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]], [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]], and [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]) in the timeline. Galvatron deposed his own past self as leader of the Decepticons and began construction of a massive laser cannon which he would then hide on Earth and unleash on an unsuspecting Unicron when the time was right.''

[[Image:2006-1.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Sure glad these guys don't have a [[Pathblaster]]!]]

''The Autobots and Megatron weren't having any of that and briefly formed an alliance to stop the three Decepticons of the future. The plan wasn't going very well until [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] and [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] came from the future to help. Present-day Ultra Magnus also arrived to help and heroically kept Galvatron occupied as the future Autobots set-up a trap.''

''Galvatron mopped the floor with [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] and returned to his laser cannon only to find Cyclonus and Scourge unconscious and Starscream missing. The weapon was then destroyed in a huge explosion. Galvatron emerged from the wreckage to see what he thought was [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (but, in fact, was an unconscious [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] in disguise), and in a fit of anger, blew him up. After a second he realized that if he destroyed Starscream in the past, how could he have destroyed him in the future? Figuring that he was in an alternate past, and thus, no action taken then would affect his future, Galvatron and his troops returned to their proper time. {{storylink|Target: 2006}}''

[[Image:FallenAngel-Unicron.jpg|left|thumb|250px|No wonder he's nigh-invincible! He's denser than Unicron's skin!]]

''Sometime later, Galvatron returned from the future (this time following the destruction of [[Unicron]]). This time, he planned to stay in the past. In an initial confrontation with the Autobots and Decepticons of the present-era, Galvatron mopped the floor with both sides, establishing himself as a severe threat to all Transformers on Earth. {{storylink|Fallen Angel (issue)|Fallen Angel}} In the coming weeks, Galvatron constructed a massive magma tap as a means of gaining power for himself. He intended to siphon the energy of an erupting volcano to become as powerful as a god. His plans were interrupted by Ultra Magnus, [[Goldbug (G1)|Goldbug]], and several Autobots who had travelled back from Galvatron's own era to capture him. [[Rodimus Prime (G1)|Rodimus Prime]] attempted to manipulate Galvatron's time-jump device to send them all back to the future, but when he and the other Autobots slingshoted back to 2008, Galvatron inexplicably remained behind. It ultimately fell on Ultra Magnus to stop Galvatron alone. In a desperate move, the Autobot flung them into the volcano, and the two of them became trapped under molten lava. {{storylink|Vicious Circle!}}''

''Galvatron eventually escaped and planned to take control of the Decepticons away from [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. He opened his plan by menacingly approaching the Decepticon base, compelling Shockwave to attack and try to drive off the futuristic Decepticon. Instead, after easily wading through Shockwave's defenses, Galvatron cunningly announced that he had been coming in peace, but Shockwave's unprovoked assault had made an enemy out of him. He did this to sow discord among the Decepticon ranks, who now blamed Shockwave for gaining them a powerful new enemy. {{storylink|Enemy Action!}} This prompted Shockwave to concoct a plan to use [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] as a weapon against Galvatron. {{storylink|Salvage!}}''

[[Image:TimeWars-frakamm.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Oh no, look out, c-string characters!]]

''Galvatron’s time-travelling (along with that of the other Autobots and Decepticons) eventually caused a rift in time and space that threatened both the present and the future, opening a timestorm at both ends of the timeline that consumed the planet [[Quintessa]] in 2008. {{storylink|Space Pirates!}}''

[[Image:MarvelUKTimeRift.jpg|left|200px|thumb|[[Simon Furman|Furman]] liked Galvatron, he just liked [[death|killing characters]] more.]]

''[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] unleashed his [[Straxus (G1)|brainwashed Megatron]] on Galvatron, in the hopes of eliminating one or both of his rivals. Unfortunately, Galvatron managed to appeal to the suppressed personality within Megatron, and the two joined forces. {{storylink|Altered Image!}} Megatron and Galvatron forged an alliance and launched an assault against the combined forces of the present-day Autobot and Decepticons, the future Autobots and Decepticons, and the [[Wrecker|Wreckers]] and [[Mayhem Attack Squad]]. By this stage, Galvatron was consumed by madness, reliving memories of the same battle ''as Megatron'' and unable to stand that things were going differently ''this'' time round. In his fury, he was able to overcome all resistance: even a direct [[Pathblaster]] to the face and single combat with Powermaster Optimus Prime failed to stop him completely. His threat was only truly ended when the time rift itself lashed out at Galvatron, ripping him apart. {{storylink|Time Wars (issue)|Time Wars}}''

At some unspecified point in time,

In an alternate future of 2006, Galvatron was leader of the Decepticons on their home base of [[Chaar]]. [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] tried to tell him about some strange activity on the planet [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]], but he wouldn't listen. Meanwhile, the events on Junkion caused a hypnotic signal to be broadcast out into space, which affected Galvatron while he was watching his [[bubbling pool]]. The signal compelled him to travel to Junkion, where he was led to believe he could "be a winner". He was followed by [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]].

Once on Junkion, they were soon joined by Autobots. Galvatron immediately attacked [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]], and the two battled to a stalemate. The other Autobots worked to disrupt the hypnotic signal, which cleared Galvatron's mind long enough to blast the [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]]' television, which he recognized as influencing his mind. This broke the spell on everyone, including the Junkions, who then added their power to the Autobots' and forced the Decepticons to retreat in [[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]].

In the course of this battle, his defeat at the hands of [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]] while inside [[Unicron]] was alluded to.{{storylink|The Big Broadcast of 2006 (issue)|The Big Broadcast of 2006 (US)}}

{{note|In the UK version of the story, the events of "The Big Broadcast of 2006" are a fabrication invented by [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]].}}

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====Galvatron II====
{{main|Galvatron II}}

====Other versions of Galvatron====
*''In the year 2356 of an alternate future, a geriatric Rodimus Prime recounted tales of his exploits to [[Student|a curious youth]] from his deathbed. In that timeline, the Time Wars had reset history: now the newly-created Galvatron ''hadn't'' time-traveled to 1987 Earth, and instead had remained in the 21st-century and conquered Cybertron. This "reset" Galvatron tried to enrage Rodimus—even going so far as throwing [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]]'s severed head at him—so that the Autobot leader's vengeful thoughts would corrupt the Matrix itself. This Galvatron was last seen in a flashback to Unicron's third coming in the year 2010 (of that timeline): as Galvatron was left buried under rubble and Transformer corpses, Rodimus noted that on this occasion Unicron had no need for minions.'' '' {{storylink|Aspects of Evil!}}''

===''Transformers PD Type'' comic===
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After taking to wearing four [[Blackball]]s around his neck as a necklace, Galvatron spotted Rodimus Prime, who'd found another of the precious artifacts. He attempted to throttle the Autobot, only for a brilliant light to shine directly at him. Galvatron fled, believing it to be the power of the Blackball, only for Rodimus to reveal it was just a flashlight... {{storylink|Transformer PD Type##11 "Take a Stand! Rodimus Prime!"|Take a Stand! Rodimus Prime!}}

Galvatron later led an attack on Battleship Maximus, {{storylink|Transformer PD Type##12 "Bigger than Life! Fortress Maximus!"|Bigger than Life! Fortress Maximus!}} was knocked flat by [[Ginrai|God Ginrai]], {{storylink|Transformer PD Type##13 "Now! Deliver the Finishing Blow! God Ginrai!!"|Now! Deliver the Finishing Blow! God Ginrai!!}} and he and his men were sent scrambling as Fortress Maximus and [[Scorponok (G1)|Mega Zarak]] traded blows. {{storylink|Transformer PD Type##14 "Watch Out! Mega Zarak!"|Watch Out! Mega Zarak!}} When Ultra Magnus found the final Blackball, Galvatron blew the defiant Autobot apart in order to obtain it. As he was enjoying his victory, he was suddenly bowled over — by Ultra Magnus's head. {{storylink|Transformer PD Type##16 "Improve Yourself! Ultra Magnus!"|Improve Yourself! Ultra Magnus!}}

Galvatron's insantiy finally out of control, [[Sixshot]], [[Liokaiser]] and the other Decepticons were left with no choice but to bound their leader in rope and try to rationally explain to him that he was too crazy to be left free any longer. Galvatron then reminded them that unless they made his detainment more comfortable, such as providing a futon among other luxuries, he would surely destroy them all. Frightened by his looney faces, the Decepticons quickly brought him a hot cup of tea. {{storylink|Transformer PD Type##19 "Two in One! Lord Galvatron"|Two in One! Lord Galvatron}}

When a Blackball landed somewhere in a field of tall grass, Galvatron sent Liokaiser to fetch it. bitter with the menial task, Liokaiser began muttering unflattering remarks under his breath. He was then left to nervously explain himself to Galvatron, who was in earshot the whole time. {{storylink|Transformer PD Type##20 "Find the Bright Day! Liokaiser!!"|Find the Bright Day! Liokaiser!!}}

===''Transformers in 3-D''===
Galvatron took to talking to [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]], as the cassette perched mutely on his shoulder. He was also even more abusive than usual towards his men. He was pleased when a potential new source of [[Energon (fuel)|Energon]] was discovered on an asteroid, but particularly ''dis''pleased when [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] returned with a [[Observer|small alien]]. After exhaustive tests by a violently coerced Cyclonus, positive results were found, and Galvatron rubbed his hands together in glee before sending out Ratbat to find more of the aliens. Instead, they discovered that the Autobots were also on the asteroid, and Galvatron was more than happy to start inflicting violence on the enemy rather than waste time on small organics. {{storylink|The Test (issue)|The Test}}

In search of slaves for the Decepticon energy research laboratory, Galvatron took [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]] and [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] to attack the space station [[Exton-9]]. The Decepticons used their new [[suspension-ray beam]] to paralyze the humans, and sat back to wait for the containment ship to turn up. When they detected [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]] leaving the station, Galvatron ordered Ratbat to contact Cybertron for reinforcements. Unfortunately Cosmos's mission was a success, helping some children to return with the [[Prism of Power]]. Galvatron demanded the children surrender and turn over the Prism, threatening to kill them unless they complied, but Cosmos was able to distract him long enough for [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] to finish off Razorclaw and blast the Decepticon leader. {{storylink|Transformers in 3-D issue 2|Transformers in 3-D #2}}

Alerted to the existence of the Intergon Device, Galvatron led a strike force to [[Tau-Ursa]] and successfully seized the device from its inventor, [[Monitorus]], before razing the city to the ground. Building the device into the "[[Nullification Cannon]]", Galvatron used it to attack the Autobots' energon plant on Cybertron, rendering its contents useless. While Optimus Prime was distracted by [[Slugslinger (G1)|Slugslinger]], Galvatron left, announcing as he did so that the Autobots would now have no choice but to surrender. Returning to the ancient, burned-out destroyer which the Decepticons were using as a base, Galvatron was informed by the [[Clone (subgroup)|Clone]]s that the Autobots were searching for [[Metascan Alpha]], the planet of the [[Logicon]]s that also contained a bounty of energon. While he was ruminating about the implications, Galvatron was forcefully reminded by [[Zarak (Nebulan)|Lord Zarak]] that the Nebulan now led the [[Decepticon]]s. A short time later, Optimus Prime attacked their location, fighting Galvatron. Before Galvatron could stop him, Scorponok swung a claw at the Autobot leader and struck the cannon instead, destroying it. {{storylink|The War Against the Destructons, Chapter 1 of 3}}

{{note|[[Blackthorne Publishing]]'s bankruptcy effectively ended the story at this point.}}

===Dreamwave ''Armada'' comic===
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An alternate version of Galvatron travelled into this reality as one of [[Unicron]]'s heralds, along with alternate versions of [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]], [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]], and [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], to prepare the way for their master's arrival. While the others defeated the Decepticon forces on Cybertron and took control of the [[Space Bridge]] Nexus, Galvatron was headed to [[Earth]] to track down [[Over-Run (Armada)|Over-Run]], a [[Mini-Con]] refugee from a Cybertron that Unicron was in the process of consuming. Over-Run was carrying the [[Mini-Con Matrix]], which contained the essence of all the Mini-Cons from his reality, and might be a means to defeat Unicron. When Galvatron arrived in [[San Francisco]], he was distracted by several Transformers on this planet, including [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]], [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] and [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]], but easily bested them all. However, they managed to distract him long enough for Over-Run to escape. {{Storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 1 of 4}}

When the [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] of this reality launched his attack on the local Autobots on Earth, Galvatron arrived to destroy him {{Storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 2 of 4}}, declaring that he had killed "many" Megatrons in other alternate realities. Despite his putting up a valiant struggle, Megatron was pummelled within an inch of his life, but before Galvatron could finish him off, the [[Air Defense Mini-Con Team (Armada)|Air Defense Mini-Con Team]] intervened, forming the mighty [[Star Saber (Armada)|Star Saber]]. This allowed Megatron to overwhelm and eventually destroy Galvatron. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 3 of 4}} The gloating Megatron subsequently hacked Galvatron's corpse to pieces. {{Storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 4 of 4}}
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===IDW comics continuity===
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{{note|Galvatron in the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW continuity]] is an ancient Cybertronian who has no links to Megatron or Unicron.''}}
[[Image:SpotlightGalvatron Galvytransforms.jpg|left|300px|thumb|My cannon knows where to go because IT FEARS ME!!!]]
Galvatron was a crew member on the first ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'', launched during Cybertron's [[Golden Age]] as part of [[Nova Prime]]'s dream of expanding Cybertronian domination throughout the cosmos. However, Galvatron and the crew were lost when he plunged the ship into the mysterious anomaly in the [[Benzuli Expanse]], a selfish act that killed the rest of the crew. Undead, Galvatron became the herald for Nova, now known as Nemesis Prime, ruler of the [[Dead Universe]]. Millions of years later, Galvatron was sent on two missions in the living Universe: to destroy an alien starship conducting research on the anomaly in the Expanse, and to return to Cybertron to secure the inactive [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]. After killing [[Leadfoot (G2)|Leadfoot]] by touch alone, Galvatron shrugged off attacks by the Autobot squad under [[Hound (G1)|Hound]]'s command and then shocked them when he got up after having half of his head blown off by [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]]. In a small act of defiance to his master, he merely incapacitated the Autobots and returned with Thunderwing's body to [[Gorlam Prime]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Galvatron }}

[[Image:GalvatronVReaper.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Bouncers are taking it pretty far these days.]]
After [[Sixshot]]'s deployment to [[Earth]], Nemesis Prime sent Galvatron there as well to make sure nothing would forestall their second coming. {{storylink|Devastation issue 3}} From a hidden vantage point, Galvatron observed the Decepticons' desperate fight against the powerful alien army known as the [[Reaper|Reapers]]. As Nemesis Prime's plans required Earth to survive, at least for a while, Galvatron took steps to prevent the Reapers from taking over and laying waste to the planet. After blasting an attacking bird-like Ravenous Reaper, Galvatron approached the Reapers' leader, [[Deathbringer (species)|Deathbringer]], and unleashed the power of death that was his to command, turning the Reaper into living decay who spread death and disintegration to his fellow Reapers on contact. This turned the tide of battle considerably, and the Decepticons won the day. Galvatron then returned to the Dead Universe to await new orders. However, Nemesis Prime remarked to [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] that he suspected that Galvatron had his own plans... {{storylink|Devastation issue 6}}

After [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] secured the [[Nega-Core]] and activated its guardian, Galvatron initiated the [[Expansion]] with Nemesis Prime and the rest of the [[Dead Universe]] crew. {{storylink|Spotlight: Cyclonus}} Galvatron was paired with Cyclonus to patrol the Benzuli Expanse, charged with destroying anything that might interrupt the Expansion. He let his partner have dibs on destroying [[Cloudburst]] and his crew on the ''[[Mirror-Manifold]]''. {{storylink| Spotlight: Doubledealer}}

[[Image:PrimekillsGalvatron.jpg|left|200px|thumb|No arguments! It is time for your bath, young man!]]
Heading to Garrus-9, Galvatron watched the battle of the Primes, waiting for Nemesis to become completely focused on Optimus, before taking his chance and shooting the Prime in the back. When Nemesis fell, the [[Darkness (G1)|Darkness]] jumped to Optimus. As the Autobot leader tried to resist, Galvatron gave him a choice: kill himself in the nearby solar pool or allow the Darkness to pass on to its ''rightful'' owner. Prime reached out for Galvatron, but as the Darkness crossed between them, Optimus grabbed Galvatron's hand, and hurled him into the solar pool, destroying both the Darkness and its would-be host.

Or not. Some time later, as the Autobots were recuperating from a series of upheavals, Galvatron's hand burst from the solar pool. {{storylink|Spotlight: Sideswipe}} The Darkness had consumed him whole! However, both it and he were changed, and Galvatron decided that all that exploration had taught him that [[To sell toys|change]] was the one constant in the universe... and now, he and his men were going to ''force'' change!

He arrived on [[Gorlam Prime]], where Cyclonus and Scourge were the last surviving members of the Dead Universe crew, and began babbling his intentions at them while throwing Scourge into a smelting pool... causing it to resurrect him, and create [[Sweep|a clone army]]! He then somehow brought Cyclonus back to life, telling him his spirit had always refused to die anyway, and led his army off to fulfill his mission! (The army thinks he might be a bit loopy.) {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 14|Rebirth}}
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===''Generation 1'' toy bio===
Galvatron is an arrogant, compassionless, cold-hearted robotic villain. He is a [[City Commander]], but sets his determination toward nothing less than the leadership of Decepticons. He plots against his own allies, which weakens his position in the Decepticon cause.

{{note|Galvatron's toy bio establishes him as a new character with a rank of 9 and the function "City Commander" who covets the leadership of the Decepticons. No mention is made of him having once been Megatron. Given the omission of similar details from Rodimus Prime's bio, it is likely that this was done to avoid spoiling the surprise of Galvatron's origin in the movie.''}}

===''Universe Classic Series'' toy bio===
At a time when the Decepticons were a scattered confederation of assassins and warlords, Galvatron arrived from parts unknown and quickly asserted his dominance. Crushing all who opposed him, he united the Decepticons into a powerful army "capable of threatening the entire universe". Rumors about his past were plentiful, but facts were hard to come by. Mostly the Decepticons simply cowered before his might, their fear preventing them from even ''thinking'' about following anyone else. Those few who dared to conceive otherwise, simply hoped that one day a rival would emerge who could best the tyrant.
{{note|It is unclear where this story fits in continuity, or even which Galvatron is being referred to. If one assumes the "Classic Series" bios to be an extension of the ''[[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)|Classics'' comic book]], then he is likely "[[Galvatron II]]", as that is the only Galvatron established in that continuity. However, if one assumes that the "Classic Series" bios are not tied to any particular continuity, then the identity of this Galvatron becomes likewise open-ended.}}

===''Henkei! Henkei!'' pack-in comic===
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Upon being cornered with his supply of [[Energon cube|energon cubes]] by the Autobots, Megatron took a bite out of one cube, transforming into Galvatron, who easily pulverized the Autobots. Ironhide tried to come to the rescue, but his attempt to attack Galvatron with his blade only ended in it being caught between Galvatron's teeth. But as Galvatron was about to fire upon Ironhide, an explosion occurred, revealing a weakened Megatron, who was then subsequently attacked by Ironhide. {{storylink|Henkei! Henkei! volume 7}}

Once Megatron learned he had the ability to "power up" and become Galvatron, he later sought the chance to do this again by immersing himself in a pool of molten lava. [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], accompanied by Starscream and [[Nightstick (Cyclonus)|Nightstick]], watched and gloated in anticipation of the re-emergence of their unstoppable leader. However, the Autobots arrived, and during the subsequent battle, the lava pool was shot and collapsed. Galvatron did emerge after all...but all he did was berate his defeated troops for having allowed him to be awoken too early, while Cyclonus weakly attempted to protest. {{storylink|Henkei! Henkei! volume 9}}
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===''Henkei! Henkei!'' Bun Bun manga===

[[Image:Henkei8_enter_galvatron.jpg|left|thumb|275px|Holy ''freaking'' '''''yikes'''''.]]

Badly wounded in battle by [[Optimus Prime (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Optimus Prime]]'s energon sword, the defeated and barely functional [[Megatron (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Megatron]] was carried from the battlefield by [[Cyclonus (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Cyclonus]]. Brought to a subterranean network of volcanic caves, Megatron was immersed in a "bath" of molten [[energon cube]]s to restore his strength. {{storylink|Time of Resurrection}} While Megatron was recuperating, [[Starscream (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Starscream]] led Optimus Prime and [[Bumblebee (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Bumblebee]] to his location, in hopes that they would destroy him so that he could take his throne. As Starscream and Cyclonus battled in the air, Prime approached Megatron, and without hesitation, plunged his energon sword into the Decepticon leader's chest and broke the blade off within his body. Megatron howled in pain and fury, and the energon cubes around him began to react, rising to whirl around him and surround his body with their glow. The maddened Megatron seized one of the cubes and bit into it deeply, causing a huge energon explosion. As the light from the blast faded, Megatron stood restored, renewed and reformatted... now, he was Galvatron! {{storylink|Creation! The New Emperor of Destruction!!}}

[[Image:Henkei9_galvatron_fires.jpg|right|thumb|220px|Cue the "oh slag" moment.]]

The hulking, slavering form of Galvatron immediately lunged for Optimus Prime, displaying a strength far greater than Megatron ever had when he punched Prime so hard that he shattered his [[mouthplate]]. Before Galvatron could destroy the fallen Prime, he was attacked from above by Starscream, but easily shrugged off the treacherous Air Commander's attacks. After seizing Starscream and slamming him into the rocks below, Galvatron unleashed the power of his cannon and apparently obliterated Starscream with a single colossal shot. This distraction gave Prime the time he needed to recover, but when he charged at Galvatron with his [[energon-axe]], Galvatron countered it with a dagger-like blade of energy projected from his hand. Next, Galvatron used his cannon to collapse a chunk of the cavern ceiling, hoping to crush Prime, but when Prime evaded the debris by transforming to truck mode, Galvatron shifted to tank mode and pursued him, blasting all the way. Eventually, Galvatron caught up to Prime and pinned him against a wall...by which stage, the other Autobots had arrived to back their leader up! {{storylink|The Threat of Galvatron}} At first, the combined might of the Autobots seemed to be a match for Galvatron, but with terrifying ease, the reformatted Emperor of Destruction tore through their ranks, defeating each and every one of them. His foes bested, Galvatron then turned his attention to the Autobots' ally [[Wataru Hoshinoumi]], a human born with the power to control [[energon (fuel)|energon]]. Wataru used his powers to create a forcefield to keep himself safe from Galvatron, and another threat soon appeared to occupy Galvatron's attention: Starscream was not quite defeated yet! His body broken and crippled, Starscream still pressed his attack against his former leader, and Wataru leant him a hand, providing a forcefield and boosted weapon power. Before being taken down, Starscream was able to hit Galvatron with one well-placed power-shot, re-opening the gash Optimus had originally torn in Megatron's shoulder with his energon sword. Seeing an opening, Optimus repeated the tactic, thrusting his sword into the wound and tearing Galvatron wide open. The resulted was a catastrophic release of energy from Galvatron's body, which caused the caves to collapse. The Autobots were able to escape to safety, but all the Decepticons were buried. {{storylink|Revenge (issue)|Revenge}}

[[Image:Henkei11_not_dead_yet.jpg|left|thumb|215px|Is that how you treat someone after the first date?!]]

Although badly damaged, Cyclonus was able to survive the cave-in, and recovered the apparently-deceased body of Galvatron. After bringing the "corpse" back to the Decepticons' underwater base, however, Cyclonus discovered that Galvatron was not dead yet when the twisted cadaver of his leader lurched back into life and seized him about the throat, howling Optimus Prime's name...

[[Image:Henkei12_galvatron_possession.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Now he's copying his [[Starscream (G1)|subordinate]]. And they say mimicry is the highest form of flattery.]]

A little later, the Autobots were shocked to discover Galvatron going on a ''very'' public rampage in the middle of [[Hoshinochō]], and were forced to abandon any hope of hiding their presence from the humans in order to stop him. Even more of a monster than before and still bleeding destructive energy from his wound, Galvatron tore through both the human military and Autobot ranks, resisting even Wataru's boosted attacks. When Galvatron dived for the boy, Optimus Prime threw himself into his enemy's path, and Galvatron's claws smashed their way clean through Prime's chest, knocking the Autobot leader out. Unexpectedly, the Autobots' salvation was revealed by Galvatron's actions: Optimus Prime's [[Matrix of Leadership]] now stood revealed within his shattered chest. Responding to Wataru's powers, the Matrix surged to life and restored Prime, who struck Galvatron with an enormously powerful blow. As the Decepticon reeled, the energy bleeding from him shifted, and the Autobots discovered they were not fighting Galvatron at all, but Cyclonus...possessed by Galvatron's [[spark]]! {{storylink|A Nightmare, Once Again}}

[[Image:Henkei12_galvatron_lives.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Comes with power windows (not quite necessary), USB slot for the music collection (unless lacking a USB), adjustable seats with temperature settings (must have!), and the most important one: a cup holder for that wonderful (yet stolen) energon!]]

His true nature revealed, Galvatron unleashed the full extent of his bizarre powers, raking the cityscape with wild, unrestrained bolts of energy. Charging through the heart of the maelstrom, Prime summoned up the energy of the Matrix and struck Cyclonus's body with one almighty Matrix-powered punch. Cyclonus was atomized, and Galvatron's bodiless spirit flowed over Prime, dissipating into the ether.

The Autobots celebrated the apparent destruction of their eternal enemy, formally revealing themselves to the people of Earth and rounding up the remaining Decepticons hidden on the planet. Just as things seemed their brightest, however, Prime revealed the terrible truth: before disappearing, Galvatron's spark had revealed to him that he was not yet dead. In truth, before his rampage, Galvatron had his body placed in a small spaceship, which was then launched into space, on a course heading back to Cybertron. With a new group of Autobots appointed protectors of Earth, Prime and his team left the planet, hot on Galvatron's trail... {{storylink|To the Sea of Stars}}

===Timelines: Wings of Honor continuity===
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==Controversy over identity==
[[Image:MarvelUK-202.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Yeah, this'll ''really'' help with the whole insanity thing.]]
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As the above media summaries show, Galvatron has had wildly differing origins across numerous continuities. Some of this was the result of Galvatron's "intended" identity as developed in the 1986 movie having not been known to all the creators of all the international branches of G1 at once; however, other cases represent instances of later creators deliberately choosing to start from scratch. Since the concept that multiple different dimensional analogues of Galvatron could exist predates by about 17 years the concept of interrelating dimensions of Transformers within a [[Universe (2003)|multiverse]], it can be harder to neatly "fit" his various alternate versions into a coherent character narrative than is the case with other TF personalities.

Even when focusing strictly on Galvatron's most well-known incarnation--the G1 animated series--there has been considerable debate through the years. Some fans believe Galvatron is a psychologically distinct and discontinuous entity from Megatron, almost, or equally, as much as [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], who demonstrate no continuity of memory or personality with their former Decepticon selves. This remains a topic of heated debate in some circles, in spite of a fairly unambiguous canon.

===Generation 1 cartoon===
In the Generation 1 cartoon continuity, Galvatron evidently still self-identifies as being the same person as Megatron, albeit with greater power and a new name. Although not making a point of revealing this former identity to his troops at large (perhaps to cast off the potential stigma of being a "defeated"/successfully deposed leader), Galvatron makes his sense of self clear when Starscream asks "Megatron? Is that you?" to which he replies, "Here's a hint", before obliterating him.<ref>Some fans claim the "Here's a hint" line is a point in favor of Galvatron ''not'' being Megatron, instead of the far more likely intended affirmation, since Megatron "would never kill Starscream". However most fans would probably agree that Starscream had simply never pissed off Megatron enough to actually kill him before. Or, more cynically, Starscream never pissed off Megatron [[Death|in a movie]] before.</ref> Later in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' when Galvatron is poised to crush [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]'s neck, he boasts: "First Prime, then Ultra Magnus, and now you. It's a pity you Autobots die so easily, or I might have a sense of satisfaction now." Again, Galvatron is obviously speaking with no sense of discontinuity of identity or personality as he refers to past and current acts as both Megatron and Galvatron without qualification or distinction.

While some might contrast this statement, however, with his earlier line, "I, Galvatron, shall crush you, just as Megatron crushed Prime", interpreting that such a statement implies a disconnect from his former life, this too can easily be explained by Galvatron's apparent reluctance to allow his troops to know that he used to be Megatron. While Galvatron would have fully expected the knowledge imparted in the later statement to Hot Rod to die with the callow youth, the declaration to Ultra Magnus was made in public, with his troops (and, potentially, other Autobots in earshot) present.

During season three, however, Galvatron makes little or no further references to his past life as Megatron, though this could be a side effect of lying in a pool of lava for several months and his increasing insanity. Upon meeting the resurrected Optimus Prime in ''The Return of Optimus Prime'', Galvatron behaves as though simply picking up where he left off with his old nemesis from his Megatron days, as does Prime, saying that he knows Galvatron "all too well". This indicates that the Autobot leader is capable of recognising his former adversary despite the change in name and appearance. Furthermore, in "Five Faces of Darkness", Astrotrain states that Megatron and Galvatron are "the same guy", implying that during Galvatron's absence, the other Decepticons (or, at the very least, Astrotrain) figured out what was going on.

Despite all that, a memorial of Megatron can be seen prominently in the [[Decepticon Crypt]], implying that the Decepticons who built it considered Megatron to be dead. This could possibly be explained by presuming the Decepticons built the marker before Galvatron returned and seized command, though their window of opportunity to do so was rather slim. {{storylink|Starscream's Ghost}}

===Japanese fiction===
[[Image:EarlyGalvatronTVMagazine1.jpg|left|250px|thumb|I hope you enjoyed that shining wizard, Magnus, because it's a very long way down.]]
Early advertisements for the Galvatron toy presented the character as an altogether separate being from Megatron, and in some cases, even being Megatron's ''underling''. The second "[[Scramble City (toy version)|Scramble City]]" OVA was a remake of the original animated version, albeit including the Galvatron toy for promotion. Galvatron appears to fight his nemesis, Ultra Magnus, as Megatron barks orders from the background. This is likely due to Takara wishing to advertise the toy as quickly as possible, without full knowledge of the character's history. To maintain Galvatron's mystique, he was given the function of "City Commander", with no indication that he was an upgraded Megatron. Continuing this trend of unintentional disassociation, very early promotional artwork featured in ''[[TV Magazine]]'' and ''[[Comic Bom Bom]]'' also presented Galvatron as a separate character.

However, this era was very short-lived. In all official Japanese fiction, including the [[manga]] and the Japanese-exclusive cartoons, Galvatron is locked in as an upgrade of Megatron. A [[retcon]] was created by writer [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] for [[E-Hobby]] in order to explain away the bizarreness of some of these early [[Story page|story pages]], detailing that the Galvatron seen there was actually a dimension-travelling [[Galvatron II]].

===Marvel Comics===
In the US and UK Marvel comics, the various time-hopping Galvatrons all demonstrate an awareness of having previously been Megatron with no strong indicators of a break in psychological identification. Indeed, at one point, a Galvatron says outright, "Like Megatron? No—I AM Megatron!" The closest that these Galvatrons come to identity crisis are incidents in which a time-displaced Galvatron is confronted by Megatrons (or copies thereof) and does battle with his former self. Although in these instances Galvatron experiences trains of thought that suggest he sees Megatron as a separate being and/or the source of his madness that needs to be destroyed, these are not the musings of a calm, rational mind. In these instances, Galvatron is in the grips of a psychotic episode, which he generally snaps out of by realising that he and his opponent are indeed the same person.

However, things are complicated by many appearances by Megatron being retconned as a ''clone'' of Megatron. There was no hint the clone was a clone until ''[[Two Megatrons!]]'', so naturally "Megatron" and Galvatron were written as being past and future versions of themselves. Galvatron even remembers events that happened ''to the clone'', and the clone [[The Fall and Rise of the Decepticon Empire|goes on]] to plot his schemes under the knowledge that he will become Galvatron one day. The memories, however, don't fit with Galvatron's known backstory ''at all''. ([http://www.tf.to2k.co.uk/fiction/whogalvatron.html One theory] is that ''this'' Galvatron wasn't the same one as in ''Target 2006'' but a different one formed from the clone)

A possible explanation for why (any version of) Galvatron retains psychological continuity with Megatron, while his fellow Unicron-creations do not, may be that [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]], et al. were apparently already dead or in total stasis lock at the time of their reformatting, and thus it is widely speculated that only their bodies were used to create Cyclonus and company. Whether this indicates that they retained their life-essences—or sparks, if you adopt the popular [[retcon]]—and merely suffered total mind-wipes (either as the result of recent death or by Unicron's doing), or if Unicron actually infused their reformatted bodies with new life-forces is unknown. (On the other hand, none of the other Unicron-created Decepticons have faced their past selves or deeds the way Galvatron has.) Megatron, by comparison, was clearly alive and awake at the time of his reformatting and struck a bargain with Unicron for "a new body", a deal which implied that his mind would remain his own.

==Toys==
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==Notes==
[[Image:DiamondStickerbookGalvagun.jpg|thumb|250px|Why can't I see the sailboat???]]
*According to the 1986 [[Diamond]] ''Transformers: The Movie'' stickerbook, Galvatron transforms into "a Galvagun". The sentence describing this is phrased somewhat oddly, however, and seems to insinuate that a "Galvagun" is a kind of common object. Of course, it '''is''' just a stickerbook...

*Marvel UK artist [[Lee Sullivan]] based his rendition of Galvatron on actor Jack Nicholson!<ref>[http://leesullivanart.co.uk/LEE/transformers.htm Lee Sullivan Art]</ref>

*According to [[Teletraan II]]'s [[Secret Files of Teletraan II|secret files]], Galvatron was reformed from Megatron by Unicron in an attempt to bolster the Decepticon's strength and to lead the Decepticons into a new era. The fact that this information conflicts with the events as depicted in the movie may say something about the quality of the Autobots' intelligence regarding the Decepticon cause.

* A Galvatron [[Action Master]] was planned at one point, but apparently went no further than a concept sketch. It is only vaguely similar to Galvatron's normal appearance and may possibly have been a "powered up" Galvatron of some sort.

[[Image:Megalvatron.jpg|right|150px|thumb|This toy IS a time paradox.]]
* A triple changer was proposed which would switch between a very awkward Galvatron, Megatron, and a Walther P-38 handgun with added futuristic silencer and laser sight. It is notable that the strange "Reverse Megatron" design has a mild resemblance to the also unproduced Galvatron Action Master, especially in the chest design.

* Curiously, Galvatron's toy tech specs list his firepower at 9, as compared to Megatron's ranking of 10. This seems odd given that Megatron never showed any ability to perform single-shot disintegrations of his foes and obliteration of entire planets. Some Marvel Comic bio material suggested Galvatron had nearly limitless power through Unicron. Galvatron noted during "[[Altered Image!]]" that Megatron was powerful enough to do him some "serious damage", but also indicated that a blast from his own cannon form would destroy Megatron easily. A much better explanation would be while Galvatron draws power for his weapon from galvanic cells, Megatron's fusion cannon drew power from ''black holes''.

* The Galvatron toy's gun mode's only fictional appearances were in the UK comics, which featured it as a shrunken, human-scaled weapon, and a form that he assumed merely so that he could easily be conveyed by other parties, but never wielded as a weapon. It was also referenced in Dreamwave's ''[[More Than Meets The Eye (G1)|More Than Meets The Eye]]'' profile of Galvatron, which [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] describes as a weapon "none are worthy to wield".

* Galvatron's toy's [[instructions|instruction sheet]] names the big orange weapon a "laser" which, according to the toy [[bio]], "emits chemically-produced, direct-current electricity". While this is a rather strange thing for a laser to do, it is a neat pun on his name. A ''[[Wikipedia:Galvanic cell|galvanic cell]]'', named after [[Wikipedia:Luigi Galvani|Luigi Galvani]], is a certain type of chemical voltage source. Though Galvatron's toy's batteries are not galvanic cells, they do produce DC electricity chemically, making his toy one of the more fiction-accurate in the Generation 1 line.

* The UK comics generally referred to Galvatron's big orange weapon as a [[Particle cannon|particle (or particle-accelerator) cannon]], in comparison to Megatron's [[fusion cannon]]. That seems to jibe with the DC-electricity laser description above. The 2008 Universe Galvatron toy has a "firing particle cannon" callout on the packaging, adding weight to that being the correct name of the weapon.

* In the Generation 1 [[manga]], [[Makoto (FSRL)|Makoto]] has a transforming Galvatron [[Wrist-communicator|wristwatch]] that was first available in Japan during the 1980s. However, at the time of the story, Galvatron did not yet exist in-continuity. The circumstances behind this are best not thought about.

* When asked about Galvatron's design in an interview, [[Floro Dery]]'s reply was, "But about Galvatron, my inspiration for him are those 'stupid people'."<ref>[http://transformersph.blogspot.com/2007/06/interview-with-floro-dery.html TransFormers Philippines: Interview With Floro Dery]</ref> ...Ooookay.

* Galvatron's design went through at least seven versions, with the final version being a simplified version of one depicting Galvatron as having mostly exposed mechanical components.<ref>[http://hometown.aol.com/kuest12/grp.html The Making of the Transformers Visual Universe: Galvatron, Rodimus Prime]</ref>

* Just as Megatron's fusion cannon was sometimes shown in commercials to have a handle, Galvatron's particle cannon had a trigger on at least one occasion (during "[[The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2]]"). Galvatron apparently doesn't need to ''use'' the trigger; however, several times in season three, he behaved as if he was, holding his cannon with his fist vertically, rather than horizontally, while having one finger in front of the others... go figure.

* The brand director in 1989 who had to approve Transformers comics content, [[Vinnie D'Alleva]], was the victim of an April Fool's Day joke when he was given a story draft and cover layout featuring Galvatron "killing people and eating sheep!" ...That seems pretty plausible, actually.<ref>[http://obscuretf.com/hhk/BC04interviews.html Botcon 2004 Interview with Vinnie D'Alleva], p2</ref>

* In the [[Toy Fair 1986|1986 Hasbro Pre-Toy Fair catalog]], Galvatron's orange cannon is colored dark (either black or a dark purple).

==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Galvatron/galvatron.htm Galvatron at TFU.info]
* [http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Galvatron Galvatron's Universe profile at NTFA.net]
*[http://www.tf.to2k.co.uk/fiction/whogalvatron.html ''Who Was Galvatron?'' at Transformers Omniverse]

==References==
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Skyfall (G1)

2010-09-21T03:58:08Z

74.73.134.205: Thy, maybe not logged in

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:''Skyfall is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:SkyfallG1.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Skyfall can transform into anything, especially a jerk.]]
'''Skyfall''' is an up-and-coming Autobot weapons engineer. He has an effusive and enthusiastic personality, always heaping praise on those around him and telling them things they already know, in a way that doesn't seem suspicious at all. Whenever his friends reach a major success, Skyfall is always there to join in the celebration (and glory), and wouldn't you know it, whenever his rivals fail, things just seem to work out to Skyfall's benefit too. What a lucky bot he is! One day, Skyfall will accomplish great things--you'll see! Oh, you'll see.

Skyfall can sometimes get lost in fantasies of his future glorious adventures, and it falls to his nagging (but intensely loyal) [[Targetmaster]] [[Action Master partner|partner]] [[Top-Heavy]] to bring him back down to reality and make him focus on his job.

==Fiction==
===IDW comics continuity===
[[Image:SpotlightArcee Autobotsfighting.jpg|left|200px|thumb|"We're not going to make it!" "Shut up, SHUT UP!"]]
Skyfall was a weapons-designer and a rival of [[Ironfist]]. Ironfist designed [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]'s signature laser rifle, but the Autobot commander mistakenly believed it was Skyfall's work. Of course, it was only out of respect for Prime's image that Skyfall never corrected that misconception. Yeah. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 4|Last Stand of the Wreckers #4}}

After a particularly harsh argument with Ironfist during these early stages of the war, Skyfall--feeling he had to prove himself to the war effort--volunteered to take part in an advance patrol, which was then captured by Decepticons and endured 100 years of captivity in the infamous Grindcore penal colony. Upon Skyfall's rescue, Ironfist strongly advocated for him to become one of the engineers at the [[Kimia]] design facility. There, working side by side, the two became fast friends.... except for the teensy little detail about how Skyfall now secretly hated Ironfist and would stoop to any depth of depravity in order to exact revenge upon him. After Ironfist had developed the fearsome chemical weapon known as [[Gideon's Glue]], he himself was so shocked by its virulence that he attempted to destroy the entire stockpile of his creation--but Skyfall found out about it, and leaked critical information to the Decepticons who then used it in the massacre at [[Babu Yar]]. Skyfall then manipulated the subsequent Autobot investigation of the incident to direct suspicion towards Ironfist.

But Skyfall would soon be under official scrutiny too, when his further development of "[[black phosphex]]" (which he swore had been his idea from the beginning and that Ironfist had stolen from him) led to severe weapons malfunctions in the field. High Command forcibly transferred Skyfall out of weapons design and into the penal system, working as a guard on [[Garrus-9]]. While there, he took out some of his frustrations on the helpless prisoners under his care.{{storylink|Bullets}} He was among the personnel attempting to defend the G-9 penitentiary from [[Banzai-Tron (G1)|Banzaitron]]'s assault. {{storylink|Spotlight: Arcee}}

Once again Ironfist intervened on his "friend"'s behalf, bringing him back to the Kimia engineering corps so he could enjoy Skyfall's company... which often took the form of passive-aggressive backhanded compliments about Ironfist's temperament during ethics investigations and the repetitiveness of many of his entries in the "[[Wreckers: Declassified]]" series. At some point, Ironfist promised his good buddy Skyfall that he could have Ironfist's lab if anything ever happened to him. Wasting little time, Skyfall tampered with one of Ironfist's cerebro-guns, insuring it would automatically fire when held at a certain angle and thus dooming Ironfist to a slow death by creeping brain-bullet. A subsequent investigation by [[Brainstorm]] revealed the sabotage of the gun, but Ironfist kept this a secret, maintaining a charade of friendship with Skyfall but all the while formulating a plan for revenge from beyond the grave.

After Ironfist departed for his own mission to Garrus-9, Skyfall took possession of that precious, long-sought lab. But Skyfall's true personality soon shone through: he was arrogant and dismissive enough to repeatedly ditch the requests of [[Xaaron]]'s investigative committee, and as punishment the authorities repossessed all the weapon tech that the lab had housed. Skyfall had barely absorbed this setback when he found himself receiving a recorded message from Ironfist--who had just died at that moment. Revisiting all the strange coincidences that had accompanied Skyfall's career over the years, Ironfist had uploaded an automatic message and broadcast timer into his brain-bullet's internal computer, and revealed the proof of all of Skyfall's crimes to every fan who was following "Fisitron"'s datafeeds.

Skyfall soon found himself barricaded inside his lab with an angry mob of Autobot troopers banging on the door, as Ironfist laid out one condemnation after another. Knowing he would never survive among his former victims on Garrus-9, Skyfall happened across the one remaining weapon in the lab--Ironfist's last secret sample of Gideon's Glue--and drank it, killing himself.{{storylink|Bullets}}

{{note|Skyfall is not yet an [[Action Master]] in IDW continuity.}}
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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1Skyfall toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Gun-DAMMIT! ...Sorry.]]
*'''Skyfall with Top-Heavy''' (Action Master, 1990)
**''Accessories:'' Top-Heavy partner, "Cloudburst cannon"

: Skyfall is an Action Master, and as such does not transform (which, given [[#Notes|what it says in his toy bio]], is more than a little ironic), though his design shows hints of a vehicle mode, likely a Cybertronic jet fighter similar in style to early [[Pretender]] robots such as [[Cloudburst]], given the cockpit and vehicle details on his back. He is compatible with any Action Master weapon or vehicle. He came with his rhino-[[Action Master partner|partner]] [[Top-Heavy]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1990/Autobot/Skyfall/skyfall.htm More information on Skyfall at TFU.info]''

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==Notes==
*Skyfall's toy bio<ref>[http://www.tfu.info/1990/Autobot/Skyfall/skyfall.htm Skyfall at TFU.info]</ref> contains the line: "Can change into anything from a construction crane to a can opener, then into a weapon in less time than it takes to plug in a phone jack." This could be a typo given its startling nature and its minor clash with the next sentence, which calls him a "former jet fighter." Removing the first "into" and the ", then" would create a new meaning that jibes very well with his weapons-engineer function. On the other hand, it says what it says, and [[Simon Furman]] has stated that if the [[Action Master]] storyline in the comics had continued, he planned to have [[Nucleon]] affect individual Transformers in lots of strange and different ways. It is possible that Skyfall's super-transformational abilities could have been a result of this.

[[Image:Skyfall catalog.jpg|left|100px|thumb|Yow, that's [[Neon|primary.]]]]
* Skyfall's color went through several alterations before production; his catalog photography shows him in different red and white colors.

[[Image:Skyfall boxback.jpg|right|116px|thumb|This, less primary.]]
* The 1990 boxback art<ref>[http://www.botchthecrab.com/galleryImage.asp?gallery=2&image=41 Back of the Box Art: 1990 - botchthecrab.com]</ref> features Skyfall in an even more different color scheme, blue and green. It's possible he was mistaken for [[Gutcruncher (G1)|Gutcruncher]].

*Skyfall's design seems to be strongly inspired by the Japanese ''Gundam'' robot line, with maybe a little Generation 1 [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]] mixed in.
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==References==
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Clench (G1)

2010-09-20T03:27:54Z

74.73.134.205: /* Timelines: Wings of Honor continuity */

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:''Clench is a [[Decepticon]] [[Obliterator]] from the [[Generation 2]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]]. He is also known as '''Colossus'''.''

[[Image:G2-Clench-boxart.jpg|right|300px|thumb|You were supposed to be this colossus! You were this great legendary thing!]]
Utterly devoted to destroying the [[Autobot]]s, the Decepticon leader '''Clench''' is fueled by anger, hatred and malevolence. He wades into battle blasting, smashing and running over anything in his path with no mercy, then shooting anything else with heavy firepower.

So naturally, he's a registered driver in [[Texas]].

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 2 UK====
[[Image:WarWithoutEndG2UK-Clench.jpg|left|200px|thumb|C'mon, at least shout your name and powers or something.]]
Clench was part of the Decepticon force led by [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], sent to [[Earth]] to smash stuff up and lure out [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. Mostly, he just drove over some parked cars. {{storylink|War Without End (issue)|War Without End}}
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===IDW comics continuity===
[[Image:MegsOrigin2 Clench dies.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Insert crappy "Let me give you a hand" joke here.]]
Long before the war, a group of ex-miners including [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]], and [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] took part in a violent uprising against leaders who had exploited them while pocketing the fruits of their labor. They found themselves on the lam in [[Kaon]], which is where they apparently met Clench. Clench employed these same bitter ex-miners to work as gladiators in an [[Gladiatorial combat|underground bloodsport]] (in which he also occasionally partook), placing them at greater risk than they had ever known and conditioning them to give into their murderous impulses, all while hoarding the fruits of their labor for ''himself.'' Clearly, he had thought this through.

So Megatron eventually killed him during one of the fights and took over. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 2|Megatron Origin #2}}
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===Timelines: Wings of Honor continuity===
{{picsneeded|Wings of Honor continuity}}
Clench led a platoon of "second generation" Decepticons into battle at the [[Large Hadron Collider]] in [[Switz|Switzerland]], repelling the Autobots who had tried to defend the facility and capturing their leader [[Pyro]]. Inside, Clench met up with [[Quintesson]] minion [[Sky-Byte (Timelines)|Sky-Byte]], who promised him that his highly energized [[Forestonite]] fuel would endow the Decepticons with amazing new powers and tilt the tide of battle in their favor. [[Breakdown (G1)|Breakdown]] urged Clench not to trust Quintesson science, for which Clench mocked him... and then came to believe him, choosing to use [[Cindersaur]] as a test subject for the Forestonite. As this first subject began to mutate, Clench dictated that Sky-Byte and Breakdown would be the next guinea pigs, and if all survived then he himself would power up with the substance, to later determine if any other Decepticon deserved the privilege. The Forestonite imbued Clench with the power to create local gravity wells, crushing and immobilizing his enemies.

He and his troops charged into battle against a would-be Autobot rescue team, and Clench reveled in his new power and gloated over how quickly his enemies would all be destroyed. But Clench and his troops were soon overwhelmed by the sheer number of Autobot reinforcements, whose rapid-attack tactics were more than a match for Clench's strategy of "use gravity beams to hold them down while [[Double Punch]] crushes them". Things only got worse when the Autobots gained Forestonite upgrades as well—particularly when Pyro gained limited precognition and could then pre-avoid all of Clench's attacks. In the skirmish the LHC facility was destroyed, prompting Double Punch and Sky-Byte to retreat. Disgusted at the prospect of a fair fight, Clench too fled the scene. {{storylink|Generation 2: Redux}}
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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G2-toy Clench.jpg|right|300px|thumb|MEGAWEAPON!]]
*'''Clench''' (Obliterator, 1993)
**''Accessories'': 6 missiles

: Clench transforms into the front half of a long-nosed truck cab of undetermined model. The back half of his vehicle form, the truck bed and container, turns into a large, double-barreled, missile-launching artillery platform that uses "gravity feed" to load a new pair of missiles for rapid firing. Pressing a button between the barrels pops up a spring-loaded targeting reticule. Both [[gimmick]]s are available in truck mode as well. In truck mode, the support strut for the artillery cannon becomes a rear-mounted, extending gripper-claw.

: He was first released as part of the "transitional" period of ''Transformers'' in the European market, in Generation 1 style packaging, yet bearing the new ''Generation 2'' Decepticon sigil.

:Despite what his tiny fictional appearance and his boxart would suggest, Clench is actually a very dark blue-green in colour. With neat little sparkles! Yay. Sparkles.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1993/Decepticon/Clench/clench.htm More information on Clench at TFU.info]''
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===Generation 2===
*'''Colossus''' (Obliterator, 1994)
**''Accessories'': 6 missiles

:Clench was re-released in Europe without changes in ''[[Generation 2 (European toyline)|Generation 2]]'' proper under the name "Colossus."

===Timelines===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-ClenchG2Redux.jpg|right|thumb|300px|His name is "Clench" because that's what your fist is doing right now around your— oh, hey, kids!]]
*'''Generation 2: Redux''' (BotCon 2010 box set)
**''Accessories'': Shield

:A [[retool]] of ''[[Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' Ultra-class [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]], Clench transforms into a six-wheeled SWAT assault truck with positionable mine-scoops and a rotating double-barreled turret on top. His right arm has a spring-loaded flip-out (non-firing) blaster cannon that can actually be deployed in vehicle mode as well. his blast shield can be mounted on his left arm, and placed on his turret in vehicle mode. The electronics originally in this mold were removed for the BotCon release.

: Clench is part of the [[BotCon 2010]] boxed set, alongside [[Breakdown (G1)#Timelines|Breakdown]], [[Pyro#Timelines|Spark]], [[Streetwise (G1)#Timelines|Streetwise]] and [[Sky-Byte (Timelines)|Sky-Byte]].

:The original version of this toy was redecoed into [[Hardhead (G1)#Universe (2008)|Hardhead]].

::*''[http://tfu.info/2010/Decepticon/BCClench/clench.htm More information on Clench at TFU.info]''
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==Notes==
[[Image:Timelines-Clenchfake.jpg|right|thumb|300px|THIS TOY REVEAL MAKES US SO ANGRY!!! BOTCON IS [[Ruined FOREVER|RUINED FOREVER]]!!!]]
* No, really, his toy's license plate says "Texas". It's also clearly some kind of European plate, so apparently this is the Texas in Europe.
* Clench has what appears to be an odd personal insignia: jagged lightning bolts that at their center feature a gunsight-target view of a red wolf in crosshairs. Exactly what this is supposed to symbolize is unclear.
* His Function is "Leader." This supposedly means he's the main baddie of 1993's line, though Hasbro Europe was pretty liberal with the "Leader" label during that time. But most of the other "Leaders" were members of multi-bot groups, and since Clench is a Decepticon sub-group of one, then it follows he's likely the head honcho of them all.
* After some crafty fans found images of [[BotCon 2010]] [[Streetwise (G1)|Streetwise]] in BotCon.com's directory structure, a (fake) photoshopped image of [[Universe (2008 toyline)|''Universe'']] [[Octane#Universe (2008)|Tankor]] in Clench's colors was found also soon thereafter, and reported as real news by Seibertron.com. About half an hour later, the BotCon 2010 site went live, revealing Clench's true mold. Oh, those [[Fun Publications]] guys, such [[Shattered Expectations|pranksters]].
* In "[[Generation 2: Redux]]", Clench's mannerisms are based on character actor [[wikipedia:Jack Palance|Jack Palance]].

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Tree of Life

2010-09-08T01:29:28Z

74.73.134.205:

:''The Tree of Life is a map of Creation in various [[Generation 1]] [[continuity families]].
[[Image:bm-singularityablyss_treeoflife.jpg|thumb|250px|right|I bet the Jews are responsible for this.]]
The '''Tree of Life'''<ref><tt>"As you can see, we have arrived at Beauty," he tells me. "The next sphere of our rise through the Tree of Life."</tt> — [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]], "[[Singularity Ablyss]]", [[Transformers Legends]]</ref> is a [[Transformer]] theo-philosophical concept<ref><tt>The sight of an orange robotic rhinoscerous-tank espousing theological philosiphy removes any of my prior doubts; my ordeal with my enemies has left me completely and utterly insane.</tt> — [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] is skeptical of this lesson, "[[Singularity Ablyss]]", [[Transformers Legends]]</ref><ref>Megatron claims he is beyond '<tt>belief in such fairy tales</tt>' — "[[Singularity Ablyss]]", [[Transformers Legends]]</ref>, the structure of which reflects the unseen underpinnings of the material universe.

In this cosmological model the corporeal plane of the material plane is built atop (well, below) 8 emotional/ethical dependency layers which act as an interface between the universe as we know it and a collective source-Godhead of living ethereal light known as the [[Matrix dimension]].

Also maybe Transformers are angels? ''I dunno.''

{{quote|'Reality' is one of those concepts you are going to have to relinquish.|[[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]]|"[[Singularity Ablyss]]"}}

==Fiction==
<strike>Marley</strike> [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] was dead to begin with. Then things got ''weird.'' {{storylink|Singularity Ablyss}}

==References==
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Galvatron (G1)/toys

2010-08-18T02:05:16Z

74.73.134.205: /* Merchandise */

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Toys of a Galvatronic nature.

See also [[Megatron (G1)/toys]] and [[Galvatron II#Toys]].

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1 Galvatron toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Nobody minds ''his'' [[neon]] orange barrel.]]
* '''Galvatron''' (Decepticon, 1986/1987)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-62'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Rifle, Particle Cannon, Particle Cannon connector

: Galvatron transforms into a Cybertronic treaded field artillery unit with an alternate hand-held gun mode. Using a 9-volt battery, he has a light-up barrel in cannon or gun mode, light-up eyes in robot mode, and variable electronic warbly noises in any mode. Galvatron is notable as one of the most well-articulated toys in the ''Generation 1'' line, with ratcheting shoulders and hips, as well as swivel waist, elbows, mid-biceps, knees, and ankle joints. He was also armed with a small, black laser rifle.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Galvatron/galvatron.htm More information on Galvatron at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:G1 Reissue Galvatron.jpg|right|300px|thumb|WHO CHANGED MY COLORS?! NGAAAAA!!!!]]
* '''Galvatron''' (Decepticon, 2005)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-62-S'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Rifle, Particle Cannon, Particle Cannon connector, Mini Matrix necklace.

: The original Galvatron toy was much later [[Redeco|redecoed]] and re-released by [[Takara]] into a sort-of more show-like appearance, being primarily purple instead of gray. His face mold was also slightly [[Retool|retooled]], and he was given new sound effects, including speech clips (in Japanese, naturally). He also came with a Matrix on a chain to be worn around his neck, as in the movie. It also used two AA batteries, rather than the previous 9-volt.

: This version of the mold was later redecoed into the original toy's colors for the [[e-Hobby]]-exclusive [[Galvatron II]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Destron/Galvatron/galvatron.htm More information on Reissue Galvatron at TFU.info]''

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===Universe (2008)===
====Classic Series====
[[Image:Galvatronuniversetoy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|And there... on the shoulder... was a HOOK!]]
*'''Galvatron''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Missile

:Galvatron transforms into a tank reminiscent of the [http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/merkava.htm Israel Weapons Industries Merkava] main battle tank. The tank shows very little purple on its hull, presumably to keep it a reasonably realistic representation of a real-life tank. The tank likewise has a giant translucent orange laser cannon that can fire a translucent orange missile, also keeping in the spirit of realistic alt-modes. Upon transforming to robot mode, it looks much more like the violently insane Decepticon leader we all know and love, and shows larger areas of metallic purple. On the tank turret is the slogan "GALV-25", in reference to the [[franchise]]'s 25th anniversary.

:This toy has many undocumented features in the form of small moving parts that play no role in transformation or either mode; most conspicuous are two articulated feet for the tank mode. In one of the [[Hasbro Q&A]] sessions, it was confirmed that these are remnants of an early design version of Galvatron, which would have been at a larger size class and [http://www.toymania.com/news/messages/10873.shtml featured a third mode as a "walking tank."] It is still possible to manipulate his parts into a mode greatly resembling the original concept design.

:There were several odd paint choices used on this figure. The left arm is molded in purple plastic to properly match the rest of the robot mode... but is then painted over in tank-mode grey paint, even though the arm is not visible in tank mode at all. The vehicle mode's wheels are molded in the same translucent orange as the cannon, and then painted over with ''a slightly different shade of orange''. [[Hasbro]] lead designer [[Bill Rawley]] commented at [[BotCon 2010]] that these must have simply been paint-assignment errors.

:Galvatron's transformation is almost insanely complex for a deluxe figure. Expect this version's arms and legs to pop off regularly during transformation; the arm with the cannon on it is known to pop off rather easily, but is mind-numbingly hard to get back on. The ''Henkei'' version (see below) is noticeably sturdier.

:Hasbro's print advertisement for this figure (featuring Galvatron in combat with [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]]) depicts it with the right arm held away from the body and pointing upwards... which is a pose the toy cannot actually assume, short of digital manipulation and/or breaking and creatively gluing the arm.

::*[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/TFUGalvatron/galvatron.htm ''More information on ''Universe'' Galvatron at TFU.info'']

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[[Image:Universe2008toy-ChallengeatCybertronGalvatron.jpg|right|thumb|300px|man this mold sure is great i hope they keep making them]]

*'''Challenge at Cybertron''' (Deluxe Class figure 3-pack, 2010)
**''Accessories:'' Missile

: A redeco of ''[[Universe (2008)|Universe]]'' Galvatron was released in the "[[Challenge at Cybertron]]" multi-pack along with redecoes of [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus]]. This version of Galvatron, like the ''Henkei!'' figure, is intended to be accurate to the cartoon's colors, though it attempts the idea much differently.

: So far the set has only been released in Southeast Asian markets by Hasbro Malaysia, and there are currently no details about a release elsewhere.

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===Henkei! Henkei!===
[[Image:Henkei Galvatron toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|About ten years too late to be the No Limit Records logo.]]
*'''Galvatron''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-06'''
**''Accessories:'' Missile

:''Henkei! Henkei!'' Galvatron is a redeco of ''Universe'' Galvatron. As with all ''Henkei'' releases, TakaraTomy have attempted to make the toy better resemble his cartoon counterpart, so most of the bright orange plastic from the ''Universe'' toy is now black. The shade of purple used on ''Henkei'' Galvatron is the lighter, lavender shade commonly seen on Takara's Galvatron toys, rather than the deeper purple seen on Hasbro's Galvatron toys. The left arm now retains the "correct" robot-mode plastic color, instead of being painted over in tank colors as the Hasbro version was. The gray is also lighter and a cooler shade of gray than the warm shade used on the Hasbro version.

:Galvatron features [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum-metallized]] plastic, though in Galvatron's case it is the most random and illogical usage of the gimmick yet in the ''Henkei'' toyline. Galvatron's entire tank turret and the equipment on the vehicle side skirts are vacuum-metallized silver, making him one hell of a blingin' tank. His six-pack... errr, four-pack abs are likewise covered in reddish chrome, a design choice that had also been used on the 2005 "anime-colored" G1 Galvatron reissue and on ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'' [[Megatron (Armada)/toys#Energon|Galvatron]].

:Also of note, the box art on the back of the packaging shows the mythical third "turret" mode, but has no instructions on how to convert the toy into it.

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==Merchandise==
===Generation 1===
*'''Galvatron''' (Watch, 1986, 1993)[[Image:G2merch-Galvatronwatch.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Not only do I tell time, I defy it as well]]
:A Galvatron watch was released in the 1980s in Japan. It was subsequently re-released in the 1990s by Takara as merchandise for the [[Generation 2 (toyline)|''Generation 2'' line]] in the USA. The watch featured Galvatron's torso with a clock in his chest. It included a mechanism whereby when a lever was pushed, the tiny Galvatron torso "transformed" into a full tiny Galvatron figure complete with legs, standing up on the watch band. The figure cannot be removed from the watch, but the arms do rotate.
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===Super Hybrid Model===
* '''Galvatron''' (1987, 1997)

[[Image:SHBMGalv1.jpg|right|150px|thumb|I can't transform? This is YOUR fault, Cyclonus!]]
: ''[[Super Hybrid Model]]'' Galvatron was the exclusive toy for [[BotCon Japan 1997]]. It is a vinyl figure about 8" tall, styled after his [[Studio Ox]]-modified [[Character model|animation model]]; of the original intended SHBM roster, this is the only one to have ever been officially released. [[Image:SHBMGalv2.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Clearly crazy.]] This figure was initially available in two versions: "standard" purple and a translucent orange "lava bath" version limited to 100 pieces. In subsequent years, at least two more versions of this figure would be released for online sale: one that replaced the orange paint on the cannon barrel with an orange molded plastic piece, and another that replaced the entire purple body coloration with royal blue.

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===Super Collection Figure===
[[Image:PVCGalvyMetalChase.jpg|right|150px|thumb|PVC in this case means Probably Very Crazy.]]
* '''Galvatron''' (2001, 2002)

:Galvatron was part of the second "Act" of Takara's ''[[Super Collection Figure|Super Collection Figures]]'', a soft-plastic PVC of his cartoon model in both full-color and all-clear plastics, one each per case of twelve. A metallic-painted version of this figure was one of the chase items in act 6.

===Heroes of Cybertron===
*'''Galvatron''' (2003)

:''Super Collection Figure'' Galvatron was later released as part of Hasbro's ''[[Heroes of Cybertron]]'' series, cast entirely in clear-red plastic then painted over (giving it a lightpipe-like glowing eye effect). He was only available in the third wave of the line.

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===MyClone===
* '''Galvatron''' (2003)

[[Image:MycloneGalv.jpg|right|120px|thumb|He will kill you with adorability.]]
: [[MyClone]] Galvatron is a [[super deformed]] figurine whose parts were interchangable with other ''[[MyClone]]'' figures. He came in standard cartoon colours and lava "chase" versions (referencing his lava bath in "[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 2]]").

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===Transformers Generation 1 Bottlecap Collection===
[[Image:BottlecapGalvatron.jpg|right|120px|thumb|How dare [[Pepsi Convoy]]?!]]
* '''Galvatron''' (2003)

:[[Kabaya]] released a set of 12 non-articulated ''Generation 1'' figures affixed at their feet to screw-on bottlecaps. Galvatron was painted entirely in greys, like all the figures except Optimus Prime and Megatron.

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===Titanium Series===
[[Image:TitaniumGalvatron.jpg|right|100px|thumb|"This pose is too crazy, even for ME!!!"]]
*'''Galvatron''' (3-inch Robot Masters, 2006)

: ''Titanium'' Galvatron is a 3-inch-tall, non-transforming, die-cast metal figurine. He is based heavily on his cartoon model and has articulation in his neck, waist, shoulders, and wrists. His orange cannon and right arm from the elbow down are also removable.

::*[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Decepticon/TitGalvatron/galvatron.htm ''More information on ''Titanium'' Galvatron at TFU.info'']

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===Robot Heroes===
[[Image:RobotHeroes Galvatron Sunstreaker.jpg|right|thumb|"Hi, I'm better than you." "Yeah, but I'm crazier than you."]]
* '''Sunstreaker vs. Galvatron''' (2-pack, 2008)

:''Robot Heroes'' Galvatron is an adorably insane super-deformed figurine with articulation at the neck and shoulders. Glitch-tastically, he has a [[:Image:Decepticon_Shattered_Glass.png|red]] [[Transformers (2007)|movie]]-style Decepticon symbol.

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===Transformers - Mini Bust===
[[Image:DiamondGalvBust.jpeg|right|thumb|150px|What Zarak meant by "we shall see..."]]
* '''Galvatron''' (Diamond Select, 2008)
: The first large Galvatron merchandise item to see release in U.S. markets was this bust, sculpted by [[Art Asylum]] and released by [[Diamond Select Toys]] in 2008. It is a static depiction of Galvatron's head and collar region, limited to 1,000 pieces.

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[[Image:DST09_Galvatron_bust.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Hadooken!]]
* '''Galvatron''' (Diamond Select, 2009)
: Released by Diamond Select Toys in 2009, Galvatron was sculpted by [[Mark Wong]] of Art Asylum and limited to 1,000 pieces. He has his particle cannon posed forward either at an Autobot or perhaps one of his own underlings. His base is the planet devouring [[Unicron]] who originally created him from the dying [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron.]]

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Black Friday (episode)

2010-08-03T03:37:10Z

74.73.134.205: /* Synopsis */ -removed "cute" out-of-context links, i.e. "organic --> Noble".

{{disambig2|the episode of ''Transformers Animated''|the day after Thanksgiving|Black Friday (event)}}
{{episode|
|series=Anitoon
|ep=26
|image=Animated Black Friday Grimlock Prime lasso.jpg
|caption=You should see the pooper scooper.
|title="Black Friday"
|airdate=[[June 4]], 2008
|written by=[[Rich Fogel]]
|directed by= [[Irineo Maramba]] [[Kentaro Mizuno]]
|animation studio=[[Mook]]
}}

'''Blackarachnia enlists Prometheus Black, a.k.a. Meltdown, to aid her with a dangerous experiment, while Optimus and Dinobot Grimlock are forced to team up to stop them.'''

==Synopsis==

[[Image:TFA Black Friday Meltdown Bee.jpg|left|thumb|Weirdest funhouse mirror ''ever''.]]
[[Sari Sumdac|Sari]] is growing ever more frustrated by [[Porter C. Powell]]'s callous actions towards both herself and her father, and she wants payback. She and [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] visit the maximum-security prison that is the current abode of [[Meltdown (Animated)|Prometheus Black, a.k.a. Meltdown]], and speak to him in the undissolvable crystalline cube that is his cell. Black sarcastically welcomes them, noting that he has ever so few visitors, and Sari snarks in return that he'd probably have more friends if he wasn't always trying to mutate other people into [[Survival of the Fittest|transformational experiments]]. Sari knows that Black and Powell had once been business partners, and she asks the acidic villain for any information that would help her expose Powell as a criminal. Black asks why he should help her at all, and Sari reminds him that his own misfortunes began with the breakdown of his business partnership with Powell. Meltdown replies—with apparently genuine regret—that Powell was far too canny a businessman ever to get his fingerprints on anything truly illegal. He presents a different plan: If Sari and Bumblebee would be so kind as to break him out of prison, he would happily kill Powell himself. A bit taken aback, Sari insists she isn't willing to go that far, and she and Bumblebee depart. Later that night, however, a massive explosion signifies a break-in at the prison. At first, Meltdown confidently welcomes his visitors, assuming Sari has had a change of heart, but that confidence turns to fear when he sees he is actually being visited by the [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobots]]. [[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]] cryptically announces that "she" wants to see Meltdown. Though still afraid of his former flunkies, Meltdown tries to warn them away, pointing out that a prison cell constructed to hold him is indestructible—nothing can get out or in. But the Dinobots don't need to break the box when they can simply ''take'' it.

Meltdown soon finds himself transported to [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]], where the Dinobots are behaving very strangely indeed, chanting and bowing towards a high hill. The object of their interest soon is revealed to be [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]], who washed up on the island after [[Megatron Rising - Part 2|the recent defeat of Megatron]] and has since used her beauty and wily ways to captivate the simple-minded Dinobots. As she explored the island, she found Meltdown's subterranean lab complex, including his computer files on genetic manipulation. She insists that Black help her purge the organic material from her body, and since she has just drained Grimlock, becoming powerful enough to crack open his supposedly indestructible prison cell with the bonus of the Dinobots being quite willing to follow any command, Black has no choice but to agree.

Back on the mainland, [[Captain Fanzone]] and the Detroit P.D. are investigating the prison break. Porter C. Powell arrives, very agitated by the escape of his evil former associate. He produces security camera footage of Sari's visit, accusing the girl of trying to have him killed. Fanzone asks just how he got his hands on that footage, but Powell becomes more evasive. When the Autobots magnify the camera footage, they can see the Dinobots reflected on the surface of Meltdown's cube. While they ponder what to do about this, Bumblebee's constant chattering begins to wear on [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]], who boldly insists that it is ''impossible'' for Bumblebee to remain silent for more than a few cycles. Bumblebee is angered by these doubts against him and tries to show how quiet he can be...which isn't at all, since he pipes in with a self-defense or denial every few moments. This bickering continues as he, Prowl, and [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] head to Dinobot Island.

[[Image:TFA Black Friday ME GRIMLOCK IN LOVE.jpg|right|thumb|Me Grimlock king, but me want queen.]]
Once they arrive, the Autobots split up to search for evidence. Prowl finds more of Meltdown's burnt footprints, as well as yet more proof that Bumblebee really can't pipe down, since he keeps calling Prowl's name. But when Prowl investigates, he sees Bumblebee had good reason to yell: He's caught in a giant web and deactivated. Shortly thereafter, Blackarachnia attacks Prowl and deactivates him too. Rushing to help, Optimus attempts to confront Blackarachnia, but she is able to flatter and cajole Grimlock into defending her (and soundly walloping Optimus). There's no time for a real fight, though, as Blackarachnia has loaded up both Prowl and Bumblebee with a potentially lethal dose of her cybervenom. They will die unless she administers the antidote within 2 megacycles, and she'll only do that if Optimus helps Grimlock locate Meltdown's genetic modifier to make the experiment work.

[[Image:Animated Black Friday Grimlock Prime Powell.jpg|thumb|left|175px|No, Grimlock! He needs to show us the genetic modifier. ''Then'' you can eat him.]]
Returning to the mainland, Optimus and Grimlock attempt to work together, but it's difficult because Grimlock simply will not hear that Blackarachnia might be using him or would in any way be deceiving him. For his part, Grimlock doesn't want to work with "puny" Optimus, but has no choice, as only Optimus knows where Meltdown's original workshop had been. They find the workshop, untouched and in the same state of disrepair as [[Total Meltdown|when Black had his drastic accident]]. As they search for the genetic modifier, they are discovered by Porter C. Powell, who owns the facilities Black had been using before his accident. He orders them to leave and won't assist them in finding the device they need, but he changes his tune after Optimus has Grimlock snatch up the little man and imprison him inside his mouth for a while. The unlikely Autobot duo retrieves the genetic modifier and heads back to the island.

Once he has the necessary tools and Blackarachnia strapped down to his lab table (for her own safety, of course, he swears), Meltdown decides to change his lab procedure ever so slightly. Reminding his captor-turned-prisoner of his longstanding hatred of robots, he will still be genetically separating Blackarachnia's organic and mechanical elements...but now the mechanical will be discarded and only the organics left behind, and his goal of having created a purely organic transforming being will have been realized. Optimus and Grimlock attempt to stop Meltdown, but he summons reinforcements: his earlier mutant creations, who appear quite a bit stronger now and manage to force the robots outside the lab and battle them fairly evenly. Things aren't helped when Grimlock, in his shortsighted fury, ignores Optimus's warnings and uses his flaming sword so carelessly that it practically burns down the entire island. The tide finally turns with the arrival of the other two Dinobots. [[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]] lifts one of the mutants completely clear of the battlefield, keeping it from attacking further, while [[Snarl (Animated)|Snarl]] pounds the other senseless with his giant, flaming cudgel.

[[Image:TFA Black Friday Meltdown melts.jpg|right|thumb|I'm mellttiinngg!]]
Optimus extinguishes the flames, then races back into the lab. He manages to detach the genetic modifier from the lab equipment, stopping the procedure before Blackarachnia can be divided up. An enraged Meltdown attacks Optimus and begins to melt his chest armor, but during the course of the action, Meltdown's body surface comes into contact with the genetic modifier. It unleashes a massive dose of energy into him, apparently causing his body to lose cohesion and degenerate into a pure liquid state, oozing out of his containment suit and leaking through cracks in the floor. Optimus frees Blackarachnia from her bonds on the table, and she senses an easy way to escape: Feigning weakness, she asks Optimus to come closer and hold her tight...as Grimlock is watching. His predictable jealousy makes him attack Optimus once again, and the sneaky spider manages to escape. When he finally sees she is gone, Grimlock begs her to return and professes his love for her, but it is too late.

A despairing Optimus returns to the web-covered bodies of Prowl and Bumblebee in the forest, apologizing to them that he was unable to rescue them in time. Then he notices the antidote has been placed right next to them. He quickly administers it just in the nick of time. Bumblebee notes with pride that he did indeed manage to remain totally silent for the whole 2 megacycles. When Prowl protests that it doesn't really count because he was unconscious and paralyzed, they have a rousing argument about the nature of the rules of their bet. An enraged Powell demands that Fanzone arrest Optimus Prime for assault and theft, but Fanzone says he's more inclined to arrest Powell for being a public nuisance and walks off. Optimus Prime begins to wonder if maybe, underneath it all, there is some good left in Blackarachnia, since (apparently) she did leave the antidote for him.

Later, in the island's abandoned underground lab, puddles of nasty-looking acidic goo begin to coalesce together around an empty containment suit. As the merging lump grows bigger, a familiar face appears on its surface. You can't keep a bad guy down....

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (1)
*[[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]] (5)
*[[Snarl (Animated)|Snarl]] (6)
*[[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]] (7)
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (9)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (11)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (12)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (13)
|c2=
*[[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] (8)
|c3 =
*[[Sari Sumdac]] (2)
*[[Meltdown (Animated)|Meltdown]] (3)
*[[Porter C. Powell]] (4)
*[[Captain Fanzone]] (10)
}}

==Quotes==
'''Blackarachnia''': You want to steal a kiss from me? 
''[Grimlock nods eagerly and puckers up, and Blackarachnia drains his powers.]'' 
'''Blackarachnia''': But that means I steal something from you too! 
''[Shoots a stream of flame at Snarl and Swoop]''
:—Blackarachnia: every evil girlfriend you've ever had rolled into one.

"Aren't they just the cutest things? They worship me. It's flattering in a primitive sort of way but it gets real old, [[Lugnut|real fast!]]"
:—'''Blackarachnia''' learns how Megatron feels.

"I'm not going anywhere! This cell is impenetrable, much like that thick skull of yours. No one can break in or out." 
"Dinobots not break box. Dinobots ''take'' box!"
:—'''Meltdown''' gets "released" from prison by '''Grimlock'''

'''Blackarachnia''': With your help, I can finally purge myself of this accursed organic contamination. 
''[Transforms]'' 
'''Meltdown''': Ooh la la. Actually, that's a much better look for you. Why would I help you get rid of it? 
'''Blackarachnia''': Because it would make me very unhappy if you didn't. And when I'm unhappy, they're unhappy! 
'''Grimlock''': RAAARRR! Unhappy!
:—Like his [[Grimlock (G1)|predecessor]], Grimlock makes a simple sentence [[War of the Dinobots#Quotes|freaking terrifying.]]

''[Porter C. Powell shows Captain Fanzone prison security footage of Meltdown and Sari]'' 
'''Fanzone''': I don't suppose you wanna tell me how you came into possession of that recording? 
'''Powell''': What's does it matter where I got it?! I'm—I'm not on trial here, Captain! My life could be in danger. I deserve protection! 
'''Fanzone''': Oh, you want protection? Get a Schnauzer.
:—Fanzone shows Porter Powell that wealth can't buy respect for a big enough jerk.

[[Image:Jurassic Grimlock.JPG|thumb|Dinobots RULE!]]
'''Optimus Prime:''' "We're not here to scare people! We're here to get Meltdown's genetic modifier. Maybe you'd be less conspicuous in robot mode." 
'''Grimlock:''' "Okay..." ''[transforms]'' "But me Grimlock still taller than YOU. That why Spider-Lady like me Grimlock best."
:—Pissing contest, Transformer-style.

'''Optimus''': Grimlock, as soon as she gets that genetic modifier, she'll drop us like a used engine block. 
'''Grimlock''': Autobot bad. Me Grimlock go alone! 
''[Grimlock walks away down an alley, then comes back]'' 
'''Grimlock''': Uh...where me Grimlock find genetic thingy? 
'''Optimus''': Oh, come on. I know who can get it. 
'''Grimlock''': Me Grimlock go with you....but me Grimlock go with you ALONE! 
:—Grimlock shows Optimus Prime what's what.

'''Grimlock''': Uh, me Grimlock not supposed to scare puny humans. 
'''Optimus''': ''This one'' you can scare all you want. 
'''Grimlock''': THEN GIVE US THINGY! NOW!!! 
''[transforms into beast mode, then grabs Powell with his mouth]'' 
'''Powell''': What thingy?! What's he talking about?! 
'''Optimus''': Prometheus Black's genetic modifier? 
'''Powell''': Never heard of it. 
'''Optimus''': Did I mention that my partner is awfully hungry? 
''[Grimlock throws Powell into the air and catches him in his mouth]'' 
'''Powell''': Y-you can have it! I know where it is!
:—After months of utter dickishness, Porter C. Powell finally ends up where he belongs—Grimlock's mouth.

[[Image:TFA Black Friday Him Did It.jpg|thumb|right|Him [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|truck]] pushed me.]]
'''Powell''': Don't touch anything! Since he went bankrupt, technically, all this belongs to me. 
''[Grimlock falls and breaks everything]'' 
'''Grimlock''': ''[points at Optimus]'' Him did it. 
:—Like a toddler, Grimlock blames Optimus for everything.

'''Meltdown:''' Shall we proceed then? ''[plugs in genetic modifier]'' 
'''Blackarachnia''': Whatever it takes to get rid of this foul half of myself. 
'''Meltdown''': Uhhhh...about that. I should probably mention a slight change in plans. 
'''Blackarachnia''': ''What?'' 
'''Meltdown''': Don't worry! I ''will'' be purging half of your techno-organic form...just not the half you think. 
'''Blackarachnia''': You slimy traitor! You can't! I won't let you! 
'''Meltdown''': I guess the Dinobots never mentioned my ''disdain'' for machines. Once we eliminate all your robotic circuitry, your remaining arachnid tissue will be perfect for my genetic experiments, and I will finally achieve my dream of creating a transforming organic! 
'''Blackarachnia''': ''NOOOOO!'' 
'''Meltdown''': It's time for your extreme ''MAKEOVER!'' ''[throws the lever]''
:—Blackarachnia learns that it's not nice to screw with Meltdown.

''[Prowl and Bumblebee wake up after being cured by Blackarachnia's venom]'' 
'''Bumblebee''': Uhh...how long have we been here? 
'''Optimus''': Almost two mega-cycles. 
'''Bumblebee''': Ha! And you said I couldn't go ten cycles without talking! 
'''Prowl''': Mmm-hmm, all it took was being paralyzed. 
'''Bumblebee''': What, you're making new rules now? I don't think so! Pay up with that sweet axle grease.
:—Prowl and Bumblebee debate the rules of their bet.

==Notes==
===Animation or technical errors===
*When Meltdown gets his face and hands "splattered" against the wall in his cell, his hands ooze out, despite his gloves being closed.
*When the Dinobots are arguing amongst themselves, Snarl's face briefly loses its red, and Swoop is shown in his beast mode.

===Transformers references===

===Foreign dubbing===
'''French'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Sombre vendredi'''" ("Dark Friday")
:*''Original airdate:'' ???

'''German'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Schwarzer Freitag'''" ("Black Friday")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[July 28|28 July]] [[2008]]

'''Polish'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Czarny Piątek'''" ("Black Friday")
:*''Original airdate:'' ???

===Real-world references===
*The title is a reference to [[Black Friday (event)|the day after Thanksgiving]], a traditionally busy shopping day in the U.S., on which [[Hasbro]] often releases [[exclusive]]s.
*Grimlock's groaning cry of "Fire Bad" is a reference to the Tarzan-Tonto-[[Frankenstein's monster]] sketches from ''Saturday Night Live''. At one of the voice actor panels at, Botcon 2008, David Kaye mentioned that he'd specifically been directed to insert elements of the ''SNL'' Frankenstein's Monster into his Grimlock performance.
*Grimlock uses the T-Rex sound effect from the movie [[wikipedia:Jurassic Park (film)|Jurassic Park]] when he "swallows" Porter C. Powell.

===Trivia===
*Bulkhead and Ratchet appear, but do not speak.
*This episode showcases a [[stock footage|detailed transformation]] for Optimus Prime, Prowl and Bumblebee.
*Optimus states that Prowl knows Dinobot Island like the back of his hand and tells Prowl and Bumblebee to come with him, yet it is Bulkhead who has been on the island many times with Prowl. Maybe Optimus wants to see who wins the bet?
*In some shots, the button that makes Grimlock's toy chomp its jaws can be seen on his neck.
*It appears to be common knowledge that Porter C. Powell was Prometheus Black's business partner, yet in "[[Blast from the Past]]", he is seen among the group that witnesses the showing of the Dinobots, implying that he is working for Sumdac Systems at this point. Why would [[Isaac Sumdac]] hire the former partner of his bitterest corporate rival?
*Grimlock states that Autobots are bad. Perhaps Grimlock is forgetting that ''he's'' an Autobot?
*According to Grimlock, Dinobots rule. We already knew that.
*This is the second Transformers episode where a voice actor [[The Low Road|spends most of it arguing with himself]], although [[Scott McNeil]] usually managed it for at least 5 minutes [[Dinobot (BW)|every]] [[Rattrap|episode]].
*[[Colossus Rhodes]] is decidedly absent from this episode, despite being arrested with Meltdown. Maybe he got a cushy job in the prison library?
*This is the second episode to include [[Fusion creature|Meltdown's bat/human and shark/human hybrid experiments]].
*So, why ''was'' Powell watching Meltdown? Expecting revenge from his former client?

==Home video releases==
;DVD
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''Transformers Animated'' — Season Two ([[Transformers Animated (cartoon)/home video|Paramount]]) — English and Spanish audio. 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2009 — ''Transformers Animated'' — Volume Six: Black Friday (Paramount) — English and German audio. 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2009 — ''Transformers Animated'' — Volume Six: Black Friday (Paramount) — English and German audio. 
[[Image:Flag of Germany.png|20px|Germany]] 2009 — ''Transformers Animated'' — Volume Sechs: Schwarzer Freitag (Paramount) — English and German audio.

==External links==
* [http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/video/dlink/index.html?episodeID=8a25c3921fc6a295011fc9a293f80197 "Black Friday" streaming video at Cartoon Network] (link functional until 3/03/10)

[[Category:Animated episodes]]

Galvatron (G1)/toys

2010-07-16T03:59:19Z

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Toys of a Galvatronic nature.

See also [[Megatron (G1)/toys]] and [[Galvatron II#Toys]].

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1 Galvatron toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Nobody minds ''his'' [[neon]] orange barrel.]]
* '''Galvatron''' (Decepticon, 1986/1987)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-62'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Rifle, Particle Cannon, Particle Cannon connector

: Galvatron transforms into a Cybertronic treaded field artillery unit with an alternate hand-held gun mode. Using a 9-volt battery, he has a light-up barrel in cannon or gun mode, light-up eyes in robot mode, and variable electronic warbly noises in any mode. Galvatron is notable as one of the most well-articulated toys in the ''Generation 1'' line, with ratcheting shoulders and hips, as well as swivel waist, elbows, mid-biceps, knees, and ankle joints. He was also armed with a small, black laser rifle.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Galvatron/galvatron.htm More information on Galvatron at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:G1 Reissue Galvatron.jpg|right|300px|thumb|WHO CHANGED MY COLORS?! NGAAAAA!!!!]]
* '''Galvatron''' (Decepticon, 2005)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-62-S'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Rifle, Particle Cannon, Particle Cannon connector, Mini Matrix necklace.

: The original Galvatron toy was much later [[Redeco|redecoed]] and re-released by [[Takara]] into a sort-of more show-like appearance, being primarily purple instead of gray. His face mold was also slightly [[Retool|retooled]], and he was given new sound effects, including speech clips (in Japanese, naturally). He also came with a Matrix on a chain to be worn around his neck, as in the movie. It also used two AA batteries, rather than the previous 9-volt.

: This version of the mold was later redecoed into the original toy's colors for the [[e-Hobby]]-exclusive [[Galvatron II]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Destron/Galvatron/galvatron.htm More information on Reissue Galvatron at TFU.info]''

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===Universe (2008)===
====Classic Series====
[[Image:Galvatronuniversetoy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|And there... on the shoulder... was a HOOK!]]
*'''Galvatron''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Missile

:Galvatron transforms into a tank reminiscent of the [http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/merkava.htm Israel Weapons Industries Merkava] main battle tank. The tank shows very little purple on its hull, presumably to keep it a reasonably realistic representation of a real-life tank. The tank likewise has a giant translucent orange laser cannon that can fire a translucent orange missile, also keeping in the spirit of realistic alt-modes. Upon transforming to robot mode, it looks much more like the violently insane Decepticon leader we all know and love, and shows larger areas of metallic purple. Oddly enough, the vehicle mode's wheels are molded in the same translucent orange as the cannon, and then painted over with ''a different shade of orange''. On the tank turret is the slogan "GALV-25", in reference to the [[franchise]]'s 25th anniversary.

:This toy has many undocumented features in the form of small moving parts that play no role in transformation or either mode; most conspicuous are two articulated feet for the tank mode. In one of the [[Hasbro Q&A]] sessions, it was confirmed that these are remnants of an early design version of Galvatron, which would have been at a larger size class and [http://www.toymania.com/news/messages/10873.shtml featured a third mode as a "walking tank."] It is still possible to manipulate his parts into a mode greatly resembling the original concept design.

:Galvatron's transformation is almost insanely complex for a deluxe figure. Expect his arms and legs to pop off regularly during transformation. The arm with the cannon on it is known to pop off rather easily, but is mind-numbingly hard to get back on.

:Hasbro's print advertisement for this figure (featuring Galvatron in combat with [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]]) depicts it with the right arm held away from the body and pointing upwards... which is a pose the toy cannot actually assume, short of digital manipulation and/or breaking and creatively gluing the arm.

::*[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/TFUGalvatron/galvatron.htm ''More information on ''Universe'' Galvatron at TFU.info'']

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===Henkei! Henkei!===
[[Image:Henkei Galvatron toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|About ten years too late to be the No Limit Records logo.]]
*'''Galvatron''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-06'''
**''Accessories:'' Missile

:''Henkei! Henkei!'' Galvatron is a redeco of ''Universe'' Galvatron. As with all ''Henkei'' releases, TakaraTomy have attempted to make the toy better resemble his cartoon counterpart, so most of the bright orange plastic from the ''Universe'' toy is now black. The shade of purple used on ''Henkei'' Galvatron is the lighter, lavender shade commonly seen on Takara's Galvatron toys, rather than the deeper purple seen on Hasbro's Galvatron toys. The gray is also lighter and a cooler shade of gray than the warm shade used on the Hasbro version.

:Galvatron features [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum-metallized]] plastic, though in Galvatron's case it is the most random and illogical usage of the gimmick yet in the ''Henkei'' toyline. Galvatron's entire tank turret and the equipment on the vehicle side skirts are vacuum-metallized silver, making him one hell of a blingin' tank.

:Also of note, the box art on the back of the packaging shows the mythical third "turret" mode, but has no instructions on how to convert the toy into it.

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==Merchandise==
===Generation 1===
*'''Galvatron''' (Watch, 1986, 1993)[[Image:G2merch-Galvatronwatch.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Not only do I tell time, I defy it as well]]
:A Galvatron watch was released in the 1980s in Japan. It was subsequently re-released in the 1990s by Takara as merchandise for the [[Generation 2 (toyline)|''Generation 2'' line]] in the USA. The watch featured Galvatron's torso with a clock in his chest. It included a mechanism whereby when a lever was pushed, the tiny Galvatron torso "transformed" into a full tiny Galvatron figure complete with legs, standing up on the watch band. The figure cannot be removed from the watch, but the arms do rotate.
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===Super Hybrid Model===
* '''Galvatron''' (1987, 1997)

[[Image:SHBMGalv1.jpg|right|150px|thumb|I can't transform? This is YOUR fault, Cyclonus!]]
: ''[[Super Hybrid Model]]'' Galvatron was the exclusive toy for [[BotCon Japan 1997]]. It is a vinyl figure about 8" tall, styled after his [[Studio Ox]]-modified [[Character model|animation model]]; of the original intended SHBM roster, this is the only one to have ever been officially released. [[Image:SHBMGalv2.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Clearly crazy.]] This figure was initially available in two versions: "standard" purple and a translucent orange "lava bath" version limited to 100 pieces. In subsequent years, at least two more versions of this figure would be released for online sale: one that replaced the orange paint on the cannon barrel with an orange molded plastic piece, and another that replaced the entire purple body coloration with royal blue.

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===Super Collection Figure===
[[Image:PVCGalvyMetalChase.jpg|right|150px|thumb|PVC in this case means Probably Very Crazy.]]
* '''Galvatron''' (2001, 2002)

:Galvatron was part of the second "Act" of Takara's ''[[Super Collection Figure|Super Collection Figures]]'', a soft-plastic PVC of his cartoon model in both full-color and all-clear plastics, one each per case of twelve. A metallic-painted version of this figure was one of the chase items in act 6.

===Heroes of Cybertron===
*'''Galvatron''' (2003)

:''Super Collection Figure'' Galvatron was later released as part of Hasbro's ''[[Heroes of Cybertron]]'' series, cast entirely in clear-red plastic then painted over (giving it a lightpipe-like glowing eye effect). He was only available in the third wave of the line.

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===MyClone===
* '''Galvatron''' (2003)

[[Image:MycloneGalv.jpg|right|120px|thumb|He will kill you with adorability.]]
: [[MyClone]] Galvatron is a [[super deformed]] figurine whose parts were interchangable with other ''[[MyClone]]'' figures. He came in standard cartoon colours and lava "chase" versions (referencing his lava bath in "[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 2]]").

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===Transformers Generation 1 Bottlecap Collection===
[[Image:BottlecapGalvatron.jpg|right|120px|thumb|How dare [[Pepsi Convoy]]?!]]
* '''Galvatron''' (2003)

:[[Kabaya]] released a set of 12 non-articulated ''Generation 1'' figures affixed at their feet to screw-on bottlecaps. Galvatron was painted entirely in greys, like all the figures except Optimus Prime and Megatron.

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===Titanium Series===
[[Image:TitaniumGalvatron.jpg|right|100px|thumb|"This pose is too crazy, even for ME!!!"]]
*'''Galvatron''' (3-inch Robot Masters, 2006)

: ''Titanium'' Galvatron is a 3-inch-tall, non-transforming, die-cast metal figurine. He is based heavily on his cartoon model and has articulation in his neck, waist, shoulders, and wrists. His orange cannon and right arm from the elbow down are also removable.

::*[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Decepticon/TitGalvatron/galvatron.htm ''More information on ''Titanium'' Galvatron at TFU.info'']

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===Robot Heroes===
[[Image:RobotHeroes Galvatron Sunstreaker.jpg|right|thumb|"Hi, I'm better than you." "Yeah, but I'm crazier than you."]]
* '''Sunstreaker vs. Galvatron''' (2-pack, 2008)

:''Robot Heroes'' Galvatron is an adorably insane super-deformed figurine with articulation at the neck and shoulders. Glitch-tastically, he has a [[:Image:Decepticon_Shattered_Glass.png|red]] [[Transformers (2007)|movie]]-style Decepticon symbol.

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===Transformers - Mini Bust===
[[Image:DiamondGalvBust.jpeg|right|thumb|150px|What Zarak meant by "we shall see..."]]
* '''Galvatron''' (Diamond Select, 2008)
: The first large Galvatron merchandise item to see release in U.S. markets was this bust, sculpted by [[Art Asylum]] and released by [[Diamond Select Toys]] in 2008. It is a static depiction of Galvatron's head and collar region, limited to 1,000 pieces.

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[[Image:DST09_Galvatron_bust.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Hadooken!]]
* '''Galvatron''' (Diamond Select, 2009)
: Released by Diamond Select Toys in 2009, Galvatron was sculpted by [[Mark Wong]] of Art Asylum and limited to 1,000 pieces. He has his particle cannon posed forward either at an Autobot or perhaps one of his own underlings. His base is the planet devouring [[Unicron]] who originally created him from the dying [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron.]]

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Super High-Breed Model

2010-07-16T03:58:28Z

74.73.134.205: /* Release History */

[[Image:SHBMgroupshot.jpg|right|250px|thumb|C'mon, let's be people now, hybrids are for people now...]]
The '''Super Hybrid''' (or "High-Bred") '''Models''' were non-transforming vinyl figures produced by [[MC Axis (company)|MC Axis]]. Standing about 8" tall and articulated at the shoulders and neck, they were sculpted to resemble their [[Studio Ox]] [[Character model|character models]], with more anime-like proportions and details than were seen in the Western animation and merchandise.

*[[Hot Rod (G1)/toys|Rodimus Prime]]
*[[Galvatron (G1)/toys|Galvatron]]
*[[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]]

==Release History==
The Super Hybrid Models were first produced in 1987, but their intended release was canceled. In later years there would be claims on the [[alt.toys.transformers]] newsgroup that this was because much of the stock actually melted while being warehoused and Japanese toy shops refused to put in orders.

The only SHBM to get an official release was the Galvatron figure, which was made available as the [[exclusive]] at [[BotCon Japan 1997]]--both at the show and with several slightly different versions later sold through the convention website.

Through the years, a small handful of the Rodimus and Arcee figures have been made available on the secondary market, where they have tended to command prices in excess of $600. The 1987-edition Galvatron figure has also occasionally been seen, but seems to attract less interest, likely because it is all but indistinguishable from the first (and most abundant) BotCon exclusive version--the only differences are the molded date-stamp on the figure, and the box design.

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Rapido

2010-07-03T03:00:06Z

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:''Rapido is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 2 (franchise)|Generation 2]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[Image:G1 Rapido cardart.jpg|right|300px|thumb|He outranks you. He. Out. Ranks. EVERYONE.]]
'''Rapido''' is a tactical genius. He believes a sharp mind is the most powerful weapon and proves it by masterminding horribly complex battle plans that come off flawlessly down to the last detail. Probably the most respected platoon commander the Autobots have, Rapido holds the highest rank possible in the Autobot Army; at one point he even out-ranked [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]!

Rapido's platoon is sometimes known as the [[Axelerator]]s.

:''Japanese name'': '''Rapid Engine'''
:''Italian name'': '''Sirius'''

==Fiction==
===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:DW Skyfire cameos.jpg|right|thumb|300px|I'm totally in a story! I've made it!]]
Rapido, standing beside [[Aero Raid]] and [[Windbreaker]], was among a crowd of unhappy Autobots who made [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] look really stupid when the latter tried to make a speech. {{storylink|Skyfire (issue)|Skyfire}}
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===Timelines Wings of Honor continuity===
[[Image:RapidoPowers.jpg|left|thumb|200px|He's the most interesting bot in the world. He once held the Matrix, only to give it back.]]
During a battle outside of the [[large hadron collider]] in [[Switz|Switzerland]], Rapido ordered a fall back after [[Spark (G2)|Spark]] was captured. Minutes later, when [[Scorch]] and [[Streetwise (G1)|Streetwise]] tried to take over, Rapido balked at being treated like a child, despite only being a minor in [[Earth]] years. He reminded the other Autobots that he outranked everybody, as authorized by [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] himself.

Eventually the Autobots went on the counterattack to stop the Decepticons from siezing the power of the collider and to save Spark. While most the Autobots kept the Decepticons busy, Rapido took [[Meanstreak]] and Streetwise to the back enterance. While his low-yield photo missiles were unable to crack the door, Streetwise's knock caused it to tumble. Once inside they met with a duo of [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticon]] guards and attempted to use the [[universal greeting]] to quell them. When this proved fruitless, Rapido transformed and crashed the guards through the door they were guarding, right into the room where Spark was being held!

The rescue team began getting pummeled by the [[Forestonite]]-infused Decepticons. Pyro shot his missiles to free Spark, evening the odds a little. When [[Breakdown (G1)|Breakdown]] saw this, he shot the rest of the Forestonite, resulting in its gaseous form filling the building and powering up all the [[Transformer]]s within. Rapido found he now had the power of super speed, and used it to outrun [[Sky-Byte (Timelines)|Sky-byte's]] missiles, until leading them into the main skirmish and having them hit [[Cindersaur]] instead. When the Decepticons retreated, Rapido attended to the humans and later enjoyed a drink of energon. {{storylink|Generation 2: Redux}}
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==Toys==
===Generation 1 & 2===
[[Image:G1G2 Rapido toys.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Stick your chest...up!]]
*'''Rapido''' (Axelerator, 1993/1994)
**''Accessories'': Engine-block rifle

: Rapido transforms into a sports car of undetermined model. (It's possible he is an unproduced concept car.) His chrome-silver, rear-mounted engine block becomes his robot-mode blaster weapon.

: He was initially released in the European market in 1993, during the transitional time when the Transformers toys took on the new ''Generation 2'' sigils, but the packaging lacked the "''Generation 2''" line-name. He was slightly recolored for American release the same year, with the transparent pink plastic of his windows and [[Light-piping|lightpipe]] being replaced with a smokey grey plastic that was much harder to see through. He was released again in the UK in 1994 in ''Generation 2'' packaging, but the toy was identical to the original European-market release.

: Rapido's toy is primarily distinguished by his head being too recessed actually to see over his robot mode chest. It is also [[gang-molding|gang-molded]] with [[Turbofire]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1993/Autobot/Rapido/rapido.htm More information at Rapido at TFU.info]''
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===Block Town===
[[Image:Rapido-BlockTown.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Screw the block set. RELEASE THAT RAPIDO!]]
*'''Gasoline Station Set''' (Block Town, 1996)

: Rapido's mold was one of several intended to be used in the post-''Generation 2'' [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] ''[[Block Town]]'' line. To be [[redeco]]ed in black with blue robot parts, he was to come with the "Gasoline Station Set", a building-block gas pump that could be rebuilt into a battle station of some form. This set ultimately never came to release.

{{note|Dammit!!!}}

: In 2005, a supposed Takara "release" schedule listed the Block Town sets among several other future items coming out. Only the ''[[Cybertron (franchise)|Galaxy Force]]'' items on that list saw release, however (and some only as store [[exclusive]]s to boot).

: Since very little information exists on the line's more fictional aspects (including the robot's name), it is unknown if this toy was to be the same general character Rapido, or a new character altogether.

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===Timelines===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-BC2010Rapido.jpg|right|thumb|300px|He's not the [[Buzz Lightyear|only one]] with a Spanish mode.]]
*'''Rapido and Cindersaur''' (Souvenir set, 2010)
**''Accessories'': Rifle

: [[Exclusive]] to [[BotCon 2010]], Rapido is a new-head [[retool]] of the [[Universe (2008 toyline)|2008 ''Universe'' series]] [[Bluestreak#Universe (2008)|Silverstreak]] toy, transforming into a modified [[wikipedia:Nissan 350Z|Nissan 350Z]]. He features twin non-removable and non-firing "rocket launchers" that can swing over his robot-mode shoulders. His fold-out rifle stores in the car mode's undersides. He was available only in an at-show souvenir set with [[Cindersaur#Timelines|Cindersaur]], limited to 1500 pieces.

:This mold was also used to make ''Universe'' [[Prowl (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Prowl]] and [[Smokescreen (G1)#Universe (2008)|Smokescreen]], as well as fellow BotCon 2010 exclusive ''[[Timelines (franchise)|Timelines]]'' [[Streetwise (G1)#Timelines|Streetwise]].
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==Notes==
* Rapido is a Spanish word meaning "rapid" or "fast".
* Regarding him outranking "everybody"... that's a slight exaggeration, but not by much. In the 1993 US line, only Rapido and [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] had a "10" Rank in their [[Tech Spec]]s; [http://www.tfu.info/1993/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm the Optimus Prime toy released that year had a mere "9"]. [[Speedstream]] also had a 10, but as he was never released in the US, few fans knew about it back then and he got to miss out on the joke.
* Though Rapido was never released in Japan, he did gain a Japanese name via a [[BotCon Japan 1997]] [[exclusive]] poster, which featured bios for all of the new ''Generation 2'' characters released in the US who weren't part of the Japanese line: the Axelerators, the [[Skyscorcher]]s, [[Rotor Force]], four of the [[Go-Bot (G2)|Go-Bots]] and the [[Color Changer]]s.
* BotCon 2010 Rapido's bio card was written entirely in Spanish, because this was an awesome thing to do. After the convention, [[Fun Publications]] put up an English version. [http://www.botcon.com/BotCon10/images10/RAPIDO10english.jpg]

==External links==
*[http://www.botcon.com/BotCon10/images10/RAPIDO10english.jpg English version of ''Timelines'' Rapido's tech specs].

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Talk:Thirteen

2010-06-28T18:39:10Z

74.73.134.205: /* Alpha Trion */

{{Note|At the Botcon 2009 Question panel, [[Forest Lee]] (Hasbro's internal TF continuity guy) when asked what The Fallen would be like in "Shattered Glass" finally stated explicitly that The Fallen '''was''' a multiversal singularity-- there is no "SG" Fallen.. there is only The Fallen, one guy. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:14, 3 June 2009 (EDT) reported by Walky}}

==Multiversal singularities==
Are the first 13 all "continuity singularities" as Primus and Unicron are? One version existing across all realities? Vector Prime definately seems to be, and Maccadam as well if you include "Prime Spark" as cannon. Thoughts? [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 11:51, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

How can Unicron jump continuities wih all his different HISTORIES? he spent MILLIONS OF YEARS as Cybertrons' MOON fergods sake!

The whole singularities thing is a godawful mess. You have to start acceptign that Unicron, who DEMONSTRABLY spends tens or tens of MILLIONs of years in individual continuities is time-travelign as WELL as jumping continuities. Which is fine, but for some reason in the Armada comic he doesn't, and no one's ever even HEARD of Unicron before, he's a completely external threat with no history in this universe.

But then, I think brad Mick intended Thundercracker to be one of the 13, so what do I know? It's not like I have a decent track record at pattern recognition or anything... ''*cough*predaconpolitics*cough*''

Also, IS Primus a singularity across all continuities? I could have sworn we saw him DIE. ''I hate the sucky TFU-type Multiverse! it sucks, it sucks '''so hard''' Gregory!'' -[[User:Derik|Derik]]

...why is it impossible that no one's ever heard of Unicron in the Armada universe until he shows up? It makes perfect sense to me. Hell, the only person who's ever even investigated or shown more than a little interest Cybertron's past in the Armadaverse is Overrun, and he was from another universe anyway. If there's only one Unicron and infinite universes, of COURSE he's going to be new to some of them! Derik, start making sense. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:27, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

but if he's new to SOMe of them, how is he ancient in MANY of them? :~( does he exist simultaneously in the past of many universes? The marvel US Comic and Aramda toon BOTh, for instance, have Unicron at different locations in space in the year 2020. Is he time-traveling?

I guess mostly i just bitch because I think it sucks. -[[User:Derik|Derik]]

I took it as a given that he time-travels when he moves between dimensions. This isn't really that hard to figure out, man. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:48, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Say, do we know enough about how the TF multiverse works to say for sure that when it's 1977 in one universe it's 1977 in them all?
--[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]]

The Ultimate Guide refers to the non-Fallen original Cybertronic Transformers as "Prima and the Twelve", which, while not clear, implies to me that Prima is in addition to the twelve. Also, I see no reason to casually discount Primon's existence or Matrix-holding simply because we know Prima was the first Transformer on Cybertron - we know there were Transformers before Cybertron because the Covenant of Primus predate its creation. Primon could have held the Matrix before Prima ever existed.

Maccaddam being anything other than a bar-owner was a goddamn joke, and Legends explicitly de-continuities itself so its stories can't be used to support arguments. Prime Spark was a WARendfeld story anyway.

''(next part of argument contains minor spoilers for the club comic''

And I don't understand the concern about Unicron at all. He's not one guy who travels between all continuities, he's a single entity that exists in all continuities (or none, presently) simultaneously. That's why the Unicron the TFU away team flew to was in the depths of our space in Year-The-End-Of-BM-Plus-One but vanished when the Unicron in Energon was destroyed. Simply because he was a dormant moon in the Armadaverse in 1991 has no bearing on his activities in 1991 in the G1 comic (eating Cybertron) or the G1 cartoon (cruising around the universe to a groovy synth soundtrack). The same is clearly true of Primus - otherwise, you have to assume he's been physically dimension-hopping-and-time-travelling around the multiverse as well, which is not the case because otherwise there would only be a Cybertron in one universe at any given time. The club comic's discussion of Cybertron-as-hinge-point supports my view, I think.

Vector Prime is unlike Unicron and Primus in that he is a single entity existing in a single continuity at any given time, no different from Axer. It's possible that one of the Twelve in every continuity is a Vector Prime analogue, but in my opinion we don't have nearly enough evidence to say one way or another. -[[User:LV|LV]] 15:26, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I disagree strongly, LV. Though Unicron has the ability to move between dimensions at will, he is confined to one universe at a time. According to the Club comic itself, Primus is "a single, infinite curvea cross all realities; the only truly unique thing in all of creation." Unicron is "bound always by his imprisonment in a physical body, he's been incapable of destroying mroe than one reality at a time." Thing is, being dead in the black hole *changed* this dynamic. The Unicron singularity is what has, for the first time, consolidated the Unicron of allwhens into one black hole which is beginning to perpetuate itself across every timeline. This is why Cybertron's Unicron is beginning to affect Universe's Unicron. This occurrence is a new situation, unique to this storyline. It can't be used as evidence to support Unicron's properties in normal circumstances. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:21, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Then I agree with Derik. If Unicron only exists one place at one time, it is essentially irreconcilable with what has been shown in the fiction. If Unicron can happily time-travel when he changes dimensions, then there is nothing preventing him from existing in all dimensions simultaneously. He simply travels to the beginning of each when he leaves the previous one, thus existing linearly from his own perspective but simultaneously across all universes from every single other being's. You cannot have a time-and-space-travelling Unicron and a Unicron that can only be in one dimension at a time from any perspective but his own. In other words, as was said already, we can definitely place Unicron in at least two continuities in 1991, since he was actively eating Cybertron and orbiting Cybertron. If canon says otherwise, then it's canon, but it is fundamentally illogical and unworkable. And yes yes, transforming aliens from a planet the size of Saturn made of metal blah blah blah, but there is "unrealistic premise" and there is "an explanation which in no ways accounts for any of the material it purports to explain". But oh well. -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:32, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

But they were two different 1991s, man, in different timelines. He's not in 1991 twice at the same time, he's in two distinct 1991s at different times. Hell, as Kil said above, we don't even know that when it's 1977 in one universe, it's 1977 in them all. Hell, when it's 2030AD in the Unicron Trilogy, it's been demonstrated that it's apparently ~2350AD in Generation 1! I do not see it as irreconcileable. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:47, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

This is the sort of thing which is better illustrated with a picture, but Unicron CANNOT time-travel when changing dimensions without allowing the possibility of existing in multiple continuities simultaneously. That is just the way it is with multiple simultaneously-existing timelines. If you do not want them to be the same year, that is fine. Unicron can nonetheless exist in 2030AD in UT and 2350AD in G1 simultaneously if he can time-travel.

It is not an issue for debate; the canon says what it says. However, the canonical explanation is irrational. -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:50, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Wow. Here I was thinking no one would respond to this while I was at work and I come back to "this." Let's put this in talking points:

1) Primus is one single pan-dimensional being existing simultaniously in all continuities. We're all agreed on that right? We can like it or dislike it, but at the moment that's what cannon says.

2)Unicron has only ever existed in one continuity at a time (until Cybertron). Fine. Let's look at that. It *IS* odd that the brothers would be different this way without explination and that if he could jump through time and dimensions completely at will he wouldn't always jump to the begining of each one, and so, yes, to all perspectives but his own exist everywhen at once. There are two possible solutions to that part of the issue: either A) He can't travel through time in an unlimited fasion but only make small jumps time-wise or with great difficulty, or B) He cannot travel in time at all, not even when he jumps universes, but as Walky suggested, time is not in the same reletive place across universe. ie - When it's 1985 in the cartoon maybe it's only 1945 in the IDW books. If he jumped between them he would seem to travel intime but would not actually do so. Do those work, at least as a plausible enough to forget the iffyness solutions?

3)Why dismiss Maccadam as a joke? The entry in the DK guide seemed perfectly serious to me. Did it leave question as to whether it was true or a rummor? Sure. But I don't see anything that leans the suggestion one way or another. I rather like the idea myself. Legends, does put itself purposefully out of continuity, true, BUT when you're dealing with a multiverse can you totally do that? I mean if there are infinite universes the ones from Legends must be included in their somewhere right?

4)Getting back to my original question: Is the concensus that there are multiple Vector Prime's across continuities? It just seems that if his job is to safeguard space time that'd make things awefully complicated with ALL of him jumping around and constantly running into each other. Would one single Primus make an infinitude of reality jumping Vector Primes? And if he did, why doesn't an infinite army of VPs show up at each trouble spot to deal with the problem and wipe out and Unicron/Decepticon problems while they're at it? So far we've only seen ONE Vector Prime at work across the whole spectrum of past TF universe. We're sure he's not a singularity?

[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:15, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I can no longer make conclusions about Vector Prime based on the ludicrous canonical explanation for Unicron, so I abstain from commenting on him. However, I maintain that the reference in the UG to Maccaddam is clearly a joke - they're talking about a bar, and they immediately say that this absurd claim that the barkeeper is a legendary ancient Transformer with the observation that they serve extremely strong drinks. It's a joke about being drunk. Entirely in-character for Furman. -[[User:LV|LV]] 00:29, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

See I just don't read the Maccadam entry that way at all. It reads serious to me. The final line is meant to put a bit of humorus doubt on the rest, but only a bit of doubt/mystery IMO. Maccadam's has always been a bit of a special place and a pet local of Furman's and I can totally see him quite seriously setting it up to be used this way. I guess we'll just have to agree to differ in our takes on it. The important thing for the Wikki is that Maccadam remains a rumored, but not confirmed, member of the 13. [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 01:33, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I had another thought, the better to muddy the waters. With Unicron and Primus having god or near-god status, could their being the same, er, being doesn't necessarily mean they're actually bouncing back and forth between dimensions and times all the time? Could they be 'aspects' or 'splinters' of the same being?
(Way to be obscure: There's a ''Doctor Who'' story called ''The City of Death'' which has a neat example, but moving on...)
This could be what makes them so hard to finally kill, if they've got the entirety of their 'selves' spread out across multiple realities at a time. This also means it's not hard for Unicron to attack in the Marvel reality in 1991, the Dreamwave UT reality in 2003, the Movie reality in 2005, and so on. He doesn't (always) travel between dimensions, he just already exists that way.
Hmmm...OK, maybe that made sense.
[[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 05:41, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

:If Macadam as a member of the 13 was a joke, why did the pictue of Macadam's bad show characters from multiple continuities?

:Everyone sseems really comfortable saying "There's only one Primus, just liek Unicron." I admit I've msised some material lately- vould someone please tell me '''where''' this was established? Because-- we've kinda seen Primus die.

::and Unicron. But it's a fair point. For all their apparent similarities, Primus and Unicron represent fundamentally different things, so it's not unreasonable to assume that some aspects of them differ wildly. If Unicron represents chaos, then his random appearances and contradictory histories suddenly make quite a bit more sense to me. He's not MEANT to obey the normal rules. It's against his very nature.

:Unicron time-traveling I dont' really gundamentally have a hard time accepting. We saw in Worlds Collide (?) that the untuned Transwarp Space Bridge portals were flittign across space AND time, showing pictures of the distant past (BW) and buture (BW Neo/BM) as well as plainly laternate worlds (RiD.) So it's '''possible''' that Whisper's world Unicron was coming from int he very deep and distant future, and he decided that the Armada-toonverse was weak and ignorant enough he could just show up in the present and demolish it, and didn't need to lay deep plans to do so.

:But- where the hell did dreamwave!Armada's Mini-cons come from then if not Unicron?

:Has Unicron even marauded across 'infinite' realities? In Worlds Collide they call it his ''Ninth Emergence.'' That's not infinite realities. That's '''nine''' realities. And so what was up with Primus saying Unicron ate the previous Universe in us!Marvel#74? Was he just '''lying''' for no reason?

:My main complaint witht he Multiversal Unicron we were presented with si that it '''doesn't make sense''', not that they didnt' explain it all, it's that '''no''' possible explanation seems to explain it all. And not tiny inconstencies- massive, glaring fundamentally unworkable inconsistencies. Inconsistencies even in the material generated that's suppsoed to explain how this all works!

:Kang's explanation form Marvel comics, with time-travel and th war to pin down his various aspects works. Except- we'rs '''explicitly told''' that no, that's '''not''' the case. So... bah. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:19, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Primus and Unicron exist across multiple continuities, because they are Gods, and represent chaos and order. However, they CAN be removed from a given continuty, and still continue to exist in others.

Vector Prime exists across all continuities and times, because it's in his job description. (Even though he technically died, his "younger self" is still in the timestream, capable of visiting anywhere and anywhen.)

We know Unicron can manipulate time (Like when he yanked Galvatron II from a future timeline to use as his minion in the present) so it makes sense that he can travel through time. The only incongruity with this is if he is indeed a single entity hopping through timelines, then why would the Unicron singularity mess with him while he was in the Universe.. err.. Universe. It either wouldn't have happened to him yet, or would have been in his past; either way he wouldn't have gotten sucked into it from a different universe unless he either was a multiple Universe entity like Primus, or the singularity is something that winds up being both in his past and his future an infinite ammount of times.--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 07:16, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

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Wasn't The Last Autobot called such, because he was the last Autobot made by Primus? Shouldn't he have been one of the 13?

Or am I totally off base here? Again.--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 22:41, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Without more information, it's impossible to say. As far as I can tell, he's unique to the G1 comic continuity. Though he otherwise bears a number of striking resemblences to Vector Prime. In any case, this debate is probably better suited for [[Talk:Last_Autobot]].

T^he last Autobot was a name given to him by those who came later, not Primus. He's also known as The Ultimate Warrior and The Soulof Cybertron. He is convieniently refered to as TLA by fans because 1) his true name was never revealed 2) That was the tittle of one of the issues of the Marvel comic, giving the most 'weight' to that name of his 3. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:29, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
:(Part of comment deleted. I misread your statement. Sorry.) TLA is actually referred to as such by Optimus Prime on several occasions. It was in fact the title of issue #79 (something to keep in mind for disambiguation!), and Spike Witwicky also refers to himself as "TLA" in that issue. But at the same time, I'd say it's reasonably obvious that "TLA" is not the name Primus gave him.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 16:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
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As well as being mentioned in a Japanese timeline, Alpha Trion actually specically states that he is "a first generation product of Vector Sigma" in the TV show. Can't be sure of the episode offhand, but is very probably The Key To Vector Sigma.

I think that this may rule him out of being one of the Thirteen. -[[User:TheTurnipKing|TTK]]

:Really? I would have thought it made Alpha Trion an especially good candidate. I guess it comes down to what one considers Vector Sigma to be.... (By the way, please use signatures!)--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 16:20, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

:::Every flashback to the birth of the 13 shows them arising full-born from the ground. No Vector Sigma involved. Trion may be among the first of the first 'production generation' that came after that. (This, of course, holds up only until they retcon it, but ancient as Trion always seemed ot me- it was never 'ancient enough to be one of the 13.') -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:29, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

::::Certainly a plausible interpretation. But I wouldn't consider the matter closed one way or the other.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 18:32, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

:::::I can't remember where I read it, but I'm sure the thirteen were supposed to have been created BEFORE Primus became Cybetron. Vector Sigma apparently also pre-dated Cybertron, but I figure Vector Sigma wasn't pressed into service creating Transformers immediately. Infact, probably not 'till the Quintessons came along and installed the shell program that became the Oracle. But as you say, this period of Transformers pre-history is notoriously sketchy. I'll certainly be interested to see if they ever fill in the gaps. -[[User:TheTurnipKing|TTK]]

::::::The only pre-Cybertron Transformers I know of are from the text story [[Reaching the Omega Point]]. Before Primus trapped himself and Unicron in the planetoids, he had to be sure that the trick wour work, and that he would be able to shape his prison. So he shunted a bit of his essence into some lifeless rock and created the [[Covenant]], 12 Transformers based on our Earth zodiac. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 12:32, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::::Implicitly, [[Primon]] must also have been created before Cybertron, since we know he predates Prima as Matrix-holder and we know Prima was the first Transformer created on Cybertron. (Which may actually also imply that the Liege Maximo predates Cybertron... -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:02, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::::: Doesn't the Leige Maximo say though that when the first named Prime "rose from Cybertron" or something like that that he did too. That definately implies They were created there. Primon I think is simply an annomoly, a glitch in Furman's telling of the story that will likely never be followed up on.
::::::::: [[:Image:Liegemaximo.jpg|Here's the text]]. Considering we don't know when the "first named Prime" was created, that's a meaningless statement, so it's not helpful to us. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't this page be at "Thirteen original Transformers"? It would certainly make the bold part at the beginning look better. -[[User:LV|LV]] 06:44, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
: Done. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:47, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

=="Original"?==
Are these guys REALLY the first TFs? My reading of the stories puts the Covenant before them, since the whole idea of the Covenant being a test-run makes any functional predecessors nonsensical. I suppose the argument could be made that The 13 are fundamentally different beings from the rest of Transformerdom - maybe even easier for Primus to create - and a test was still necessary to determine if he could make creatures that were fully mired in space-time. (Though the Covenant was still AWARE of multi-dimensional events, and in fact seemed to serve much the same purpose as The 13...)

But even that aside, there's still the practical notion that The 13 were created ''for'' Cybertron, and Cybertron didn't exist yet when the Covenant was created. So, that having been said, what's the evidence that The 13 are actually "original"?

- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 15:44, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
:Basically: they aren't. If you include the Covenant, the Thirteen aren't the "original" Transformers at all, since they are necessarily predated by the Covenant for all the reasons you cite, as well as, inferentially, Primon and the Liege Maximo. Functionally, they are referred to as the "original thirteen" or "first thirteen" regardless of this, probably because not even Furman thinks about the Covenant when writing TF backstory. I think for logistical purposes it remains a useful name for them on this wiki - without it, they basically don't have any meaningful group name, and that's inconvenient - but I do think there should be some kind of indication in this article that some Transformers are more original than these fellows. -[[User:LV|LV]] 19:18, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

== The Ancients ==

I'm not sure where to place it, so I put it here as, um, sorta reference. :) --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 08:24, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:In the original Japanese dub of "Galaxy Force", [[Vector Prime]] is depicted as one of "The Ancients".

:According to the background settings of ''Galaxy Force'' anime, "The Ancients" is the earliest Transformers in the world/continuity of "Galaxy Force" (not "Cyertron").

:Though "The Thirteen" is mentioned by [http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/bible/index.html The World of Transformers], the site doesn't confirm that "The Thirteen = The Ancients" by far. What the site only mentioned is that there are two theories of the origin of Transformer race.

:So, by far, The Ancients is not the same group as The Thirteens, unless someday comes up an official information stating they are the same.
::Agreed. So shouldn't someone take the Logos Prime person off? --[[User:Boba Fett|Boba Fett]] 17:26, 17 May 2009 (EDT)

== Logos Prime ==

He's in both the confirmed and possible lists. Which is it? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:08, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:Magnus Maximus moved it to possible, Walky added to confirmed but didn't remove the possible, MM removed the duplicate in "confirmed", Walky blocked MM over it and readded it to "confirmed" while still leaving it in "possible". - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:12, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:: Argh, there's MORE stuff to change back? Is this the same dude we were reverting before? Some dude out there has a really serious hate-on for this Logos Prime thing. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:13, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Uhm... I don't think content was deleted here, just the "confirmed" status of Logos Prime questioned.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:14, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::::What's left to confirm? The evidence is stacked up. Logos Prime would have to be the red herring of red herrings to not be what this wiki says, and that's kind of ridiculous. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:17, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::Derik, what the hell. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:43, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::Y'know, ''by definition'' if this 13 crap covers THEWHOLEENTIRETFMULTIVERSEBYE, then Macaddam should be in "confirmed"... :p - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 23:08, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Not in a story that is specifically stated to be non-canon, "just for fun." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:15, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::::On a multiverse level, it's impossible NOT to be canon. Which is one of my major problems with this whole pile, actually. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 23:31, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::[[Author intent]] should be something this wiki describes and leaves up to individual fan judgment--not something we firmly take sides on in establishing internal-to-story facts. The entire reason we have articles for the "real" Transformer characters [[Geosensus]] and [[Paddles]] is that Cian's proviso is contradicted by the pre-existing context of a TF Multiverse, which I suspect he never knew existed. Having said that, Legends never actually specifically says Maccadam is one of the 13; it says he's multiversal, which fulfills ''half'' of the joke from the Ultimate Guide.<--Thy, can't login on IE.

So... MM moved the info (not '''deleted''' it, '''moved'''), Walky put the info back in the old place thus meaning the info was now put twice on the page, then banned MM because he removed one of the duplicate instances? Just making sure I got this straight. 
And no, MM is not the same guy we were reverting before. MM is the guy who's been adding a lot of valuable info like missing covers and stuff on the commercial bumper and scene transition pages. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:16, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:Yeah, you got it straight. He originally blocked him for a month as "YOU ARE DELETING CONTENT RIGHT NOW", then cut it to a week as "It's not smart to get in a revert war with an admin." - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 23:31, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::Well, then, remind me never to correct any mistakes, because I apparently might get reverted and banned for it. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:50, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::That occurred to me too... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 09:28, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

:So the original change was related to the previous discussion on this talk page about the Ancients not being the same thing as the first Thirteen? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:28, 28 May 2009 (EDT)
::Correct. [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Thirteen_original_Transformers&diff=301252&oldid=301026 MM edit 1 diff], [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Thirteen_original_Transformers&diff=next&oldid=301252 Willis adds a duplicate], [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Thirteen_original_Transformers&diff=next&oldid=301254 MM removes duplicate], [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Thirteen_original_Transformers&diff=next&oldid=301257 Willis reverts previous edit]. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 09:28, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

:::Based on this, I'm going out on a limb here and unbanning the guy. Seems like a pretty draconian punishment over what appears to be mostly a misunderstanding. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 10:58, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

Well, that was fun. Thanks for getting this situation sorted, guys. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 09:31, 29 May 2009 (EDT)

== Nexus Maximus ==

The five silhouettes next to Vector Prime seem to strongly resemble the individual components of Nexus Maximus, and since the five are both Transformers and part of a being considered "one of the thirteen", is it possible that they are numbered members as well? I mean, technically they are five transformers that were created in the first batch, so maybe?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 06:09, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

I would say no. Nexus Maximus is a member of the 13, but his 5 component pieces aren't. [[Special:Contributions/76.240.201.195|76.240.201.195]] 18:39, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

==Defiance==
To be clear - is that image depicting the trans-dimensional whatsits, or the first batch of "Transformers" made to serve them?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 06:09, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
:The first batch of "Transformers." There are actually two more in a different panel but this was the best group shot. [[:Image:Defianceissue4-creation.jpg|This is]] the creation of the trans-dimensional whatsits. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 07:50, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
::Okay, then the text needs to make that clearer, because right now it reads as if it's equating these Seekers/Constructicons with the Fallen and such.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 17:42, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

== Trans-dimensional AllSpark creations ==

Zuh? Why not The Thirteen?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:14, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
:Well, they aren't Transformers for one thing. They are a separate race. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:15, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
::...but we have no reason to believe they're not The Thirteen.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:16, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
:::Oh. Hmmm. The 13 aren't Transformers? That article should be renamed then. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:20, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
::::The article is just... I don't know. I don't think it conveys information. I think if anything it ''obfuscates'' information to obey some sort of semantic point.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:24, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::They do play the same general role. It didn't occur to me that they might be the 13 since they aren't Transformers. The articles would have to be merged carefully. In the live-action continuity there is the Fallen's race ''and'' 13 original Transformers (which would be the first 13 beings of the new Transformer's race). - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:41, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
::::::You invented what amounts to a fan term to explain what you believe to be a contradiction. We are needlessly multiplying entities here.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:31, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::The Fallen: "It gave us workers, but they were ''not like us''. They were special and were to be the first of ''your race''. Creatures born with the ability to change their forms." It seems pretty clear the Fallen's kind aren't Transformers. The Fallen could be distorting the facts, I suppose (he is The Fallen), or has a fuzzy memory. I'm not against merging this with the 13 Transformers, but I would be interested in how it was explained. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:48, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::::I dunno, saying that the Fallen and his brothers "aren't Transformers" seems to me to be a bit like saying we shouldn't have [[Beta (G1)|Beta]] in the Female Transformers category. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 22:07, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Hell, half the Matrix Guides, including Alpha Trion, shouldn't be considered Transformers! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:09, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::That doesn't seem to be a contradiction at all, Starfield. Even in the original continuity that had the thirteen, wasn't transformation an invention from later on? And Vector Prime still was eventually able to do it, so it's not unreasonable to assume that while the Trans-dimensionals weren't ''born'' with the ability to change their form, they modified themselves to do it. Which is why the Fallen can turn into a space fighter now.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 07:47, 28 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I still propose nuking it, but until we get consensus on that, I'm putting the shenanigans tag on it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:54, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Call me crazy, but I have this feeling there may be an actual name for these dudes soon. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:08, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::And on what are you basing this? I keep asking this, but you keep making up unofficial terms for things.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:15, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::The ROTF adaptation comic. I understand we aren't supposed to use that yet for spoiler reasons. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:22, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Okay, let me spell this out. There is at present no definition of this term you've invented that does not completely overlap with the Thirteen. Every member of the Thirteen is one of these, and every one of these is one of the Thirteen. Even if we accept that this is somehow a meaningful term, there is no way to separate it from the Thirteen. To pretend otherwise is to be painfully obtuse.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:14, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
Nuke it from orbit. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:18, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
:Y'all kinda seem to be jumping down Starfield's throat... IITC the Transdimensional beings page was created as a sorta precautionary things back then Alliance was still coming out when we weren't sure how it'd play out-- or even if the Fallen was a multiversal singularity. (We thought probably yes, but there was room foe debate, and the movie stuff IS '''awfully''' messy.)
:...of course it's just as likely that I'm missing something, in which case, please proceed tearing him a new transdimensional arsehole. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:29, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
::I'd like a transdimensional arsehole. I bet it would mean you wouldn't even have to get up to go to the bathroom. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:30, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
::I'm not taking it personally. It always was kind of a sloppy placeholder. I honestly thought they were going a different direction when I read Defiance 4, but now it looks like it is shaping up pretty good continuity wise. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:41, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
:::That's all well and good, but the article, as well as his defense of the term, continued long after its (however dubious) usefulness expired. So, I've nuked the article and archived the discussion here for posterity.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:36, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Oh, is ''that'' what's going on? ''<tt>slowpoke.jpg</tt>''
::::Well, I've certainly been there myself! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:38, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

== Prima ==

Why is Prima on this list? I would have thought Primon would be the more likely choice m'self. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:01, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:He is confirmed in at least one continuity as the first Cybertronian. Thus, he's the first of the Thirteen. Funny, innit?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:03, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::Which continuity, and sauce? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:45, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Marvel G1. Not explicitly stated, but able to be deduced.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:50, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::::But I don't think Prima should be on there. Primon seem to predate him/her.
::::If a guidebook SAID Prima was one of the 13 or something, that'd be different. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:22, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

Well here's how it goes, we have a Marvel G1 issue and a Marvel G2 issue which depict the first Cybertronian. One of those issues depicts said first Cybertronian as the first Matrix-Bearer. Marvel G1 also has a litany of the Matrix-Bearers which the Creation Matrix itself recites at several times during Matrix Quest, thus establishing this figure, though visually quite different the two times we see him, as Prima. So, insofar as anything can be consistent within Marvel G1 given the vast artistic differences which sprang up, the first Cybertronian and first Matrix-Bearer is Prima.

Pri''mon'' however has a far more fuzzy pedigree, a smaller corpus of source material establishing him, and his membership in the Thirteen is also predicated upon the Liege Maximo being a member, which is ''probable'', but as we've discussed before never really confirmed in official source material.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:29, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

:Your answer is full of fail and conjecture.
:Nevertheless, it got ''me'' to check the source material. The Ultimate Guide explicitly says Prima is one of the 13 on page 15. Further, Prima is their '''leader'''. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:40, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::Were I not at work, I could have done the same. But alas, I am limited until I hop in my car and drive home. I still say my answer is close enough for government work, though.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:43, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
{{quote|In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve.|Tocqueville}} -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:50, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
=="New Divide" video==
Hey, uh, there seems to be a very short clip of what appear to be silhouettes of some of the Thirteen... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:36, 12 June 2009 (EDT)
:Which one. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:51, 12 June 2009 (EDT)
::[[Image:NewDivide-silhouettes.jpg|thumb|300px|I wonder which one Vector Prime is!]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:08, 12 June 2009 (EDT)
:::So can any of our U.K. friends confirm or deny if these are indeed the Thirteen? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:13, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Weeellll... okay, spoilers to be safe... they ARE the Primes, the original Transformers, as it were. But... if I heard the dialogue right, and I'm not SWEARING that I did, but I have seen other people say they heard the same thing... IN the film itself... there are stated to only SEVEN of them. And the events of Defiance are really... at odds with the movie , too. In the gentlest terms. Honestly, I was watching the movie, and every so often something happened to make me go "Aw, fuck, the wiki's going to have its work cut out for it here." - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:28, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Yep, there's a mistake in there. Seven is definitely the number. The Fallen being so named because he chose to eradicate life in his quest for Energon (think Captain Ranson in Star Trek Voyager "Equinox"). Optimus Prime is apparently their last descendant (how they know this is not explained, nor is the concept of Primes, and why only a Prime can defeat the Fallen, when it looks like anybody can do what Prime finally did). Oh, and none of them look like any of our Primes. In fact they all look like the Fallen (customisers should be buying multiple Fallen toys to make them!) [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 20:05, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

:What a pain. Yet I think that will probably make patching things around the 13 easier.... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:11, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
::The only thing that would make this work with past information is if the Thirteen aren't multiversal singularities, and since the Powers That Be reconfirmed that at Botcon, I can only assume (or hope) that they have something planned for the Thirteen that will straighten this out. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:21, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:::You have to remember, there's already the "oddity" that the birth of these guys 13 doesn't really match other depictions-- and the AllSpark being some sort of sun-destroying monstrosity is... not very Primus-y. I think there's definitely wiggle room here. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:25, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Oddly, the adaptations say 13. How do we know what we know about the AllSpark and harvesters and the original Transformers? There is only one of them left. He wouldn't lie for his own purposes would he? They could, if they wanted, make much of the ROTF backstory be a load of bullcrap made up by The Fallen. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:46, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Maybe we can wilfully ignore {{redact|the seven thing as a mistake like Brawl/Devastator? In the Feb 2009 issue of Toyfare, producer [[Lorenzo di Bonaventura]] stated that The Fallen was a member of The Thirteen, and that we should think of the Thirteen as "apostles". So clearly, the movie production did number the Primes as thirteen quite late into post production.}} --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:06, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::"Mistakes" do happen in fiction, and we acknowledge them as such. (The art errors in the marvel comic, for example.)
::::::So even if the {{redact|the ancient Primes being the 13}} is a mistake, that still leaves us with The Fallen being The Fallen.
::::::The real question is how ''subsequent'' fiction addresses this. If it keeps re-iterating {{redact|the ancient Primes are the 13}} then that's a problem we have to deal with.
::::::I'm really beginning to suspect that the end scenario is going to be {{redact|there were some ancient beings, 7 in one story, 13 in another}} and just void any connection to the 13 entirely-- then figure out how to deal with The Fallen being The Fallen separately. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:17, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Also, re:{{redact|Devastator... there was a comment on the Brawl talk page recently claiming that the letters page to Titan #3 said that Devastator and Brawl are separate near-identical Transformers.}} Can McSweeny confirm whether this is true or not? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:26, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

So I'm watching [http://emopanda.com/tmp/eps/Linkin_Park_-_New_Divide.mp4 New Divide] and I'm confused... is the screencap Walky posted above {{redact|from the beginning of the movie, where everyone was working in the valley, or the end, during SAM's NDE}}? Can someone who's seen the movie answer this? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:20, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

:Haha, this is where it gets {{redact|metaphysical. Sam dies, and the Matrix (which at this point in the film has disintegrated into dust and is kept in a rolled up sock) merges with Sam. The next scene then features Sam in Heaven/The Matrix/Nirvana/The Tunnel with the Light at the End where he meets the Seven Prime/Fallen Clones. They tell him that they have been watching him and that the Matrix is not an object but a state of mind/personality quality, and he's got it, so go wake up from this death and kick some ass. He then is resurrected and the Matrix is now completely reformed into its key/boomerang formation, which he then sticks into Prime's chest. But then somebody else steals it again to stick into the Fallen's Galvatron Machine from the UK comics}} [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 08:04, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::Yes I know this. I've read the book. I construe from your response that this screencap is from the latter half of the movie? (It's a yes or no question... god forbid you manage to ''explicitly'' answer it.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:01, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:::That's a yes. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 14:52, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

It actually works out pretty easily. Those seven don't have to be the ''only'' members of the Thirteen, just the ones that gave their lives to seal The Fallen away and secure the Star Harvester.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:17, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

:Except there are multiple versions of "Movie" continuity (IDW and Titan) and the original 13 are singularities... so how do these 7 manged to die '''twice''' and their corpses show up in different universes? {{redact|for that matter, how does The Fallen manage to die in multiple continuities? He has but one life to give for the Multiverse!}} -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:24, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::Transformers: The Movie Universe implies that The Fallen has to work to maintain corporeality in a universe. It is possible that killing the physical form of one of the Thirteen is nowhere near as final as it may sound.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:26, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

:::Would Vector Prime's fate at the end of Cybertron support that? I have only passing knowledge of that show but didn't they show him fighting on in some other dimension after his "Death"? That could work on the same principle.--[[Special:Contributions/71.235.138.121|71.235.138.121]] 07:10, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Vector Prime was shown to be fighting Galvatron in the end-credits montage, so he's clearly not completely dead. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:36, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::I don't know about Galaxy Force, but in Cybertron, the speech that Vector Prime gave before he died made it sound like if he died in that universe, he would continue to exist in the multiverse but be barred from re-entering that particular universe.

== Logos Prime ==

If the Fallen represents Entropy, and Vector Prime represents time... what would Logos Prime represent? His hub-ship-thing seems to be tied to his "area of responsibility" somehow... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:55, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
:Opposition or competition? Some kind of "Balancing forces" deal, probably, judging by the story.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 04:23, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
::So... "Logos" arguably, logic? 10:39, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
:::I don't think their given names actually have anything to do with their charge - Vector isn't in charge of directions, and Nexus is in charge of Energon, not connections. Maybe the name's are personally chosen, or represent their personalities?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 12:27, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
:Maybe LP would have been the gaurdian of knowlegde or information? --[[User:Boba Fett|Boba Fett]] 18:03, 23 June 2009 (EDT)

== Twelve Apostles ==

Would it be at all acceptable to mention somewhere on the page the obvious basis of Jesus and the twelve apostles, or even how specific members of the Thirteen seem to be based on specific apostles?

For example:
*Prima is the chosen leader of the thirteen, carries Primus lifeforce in the form of the matrix (and so, is Primus's "child"), and his name even fits the ancient roman naming scheme for your children (well, daughters) - remove "us", fit "a".
*The Fallen is obviously Judas.
*Vector Prime appears to fit the role of Peter - the most loyal, who serves throughout time safeguarding the Transformers. He certainly acts like a space-pope, anyway.

Of course, beyond that, there's unlikely to be any use of the archetype, but would it at least be worth mentioning?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 04:49, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
:We have a good source for that comparison with [[Lorenzo di Bonaventura]]'s interview in ''Toyfare'' (February 2009). [[Special:Contributions/79.67.234.198|79.67.234.198]] 05:16, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
:I say we don't have enought info though. Afterall, we don't know about the Logo Prime or Nexus Maximus people. --[[User:Boba Fett|Boba Fett]] 14:10, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
::We know that the group as a whole is supposed to act as apostles to Primus. And yes, we can't really fit Logos or Nexus to a historical apostle, but we're extremely unlikely to, because beyond Jesus, Judas, and Peter, the various apostles are only really remembered for Catholic feast holidays, and aren't that culturally significant.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 14:22, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Oh,yeah...except for 'doubting Thomas'. OK --[[User:Boba Fett|Boba Fett]] 18:02, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
: I think pointing out the 12 disciples exclusively is kind of the wrong move to make at the outset. Group-of-13-and-one-betrays-them is a mythological constant. Like, say, Loki! He storms a group of 12 at Valhalla! It's linked into the superstition about the number 13, which is considered unlucky. Stories would use it for group numbers as foreshadowing! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:11, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
::Except "Group of thirteen Apostles and one of them is a chosen son of the singular God" is not so much a mythological constant. Unless Zoroastrianism has it.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 03:39, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

==Split 7 Primes from the 13==

There's really nothing to suggest in the film that the 7 are part of the original Transformers. They're just referred to as the leaders of the race. The Fallen's the only one clearly linked to the 13 [[User: Eire|Eire]] 23.58 June 23 09
: Maybe the missing 6 Primes are Vector Prime, Logos Prime, Nexus Prime, the Liege Maximo, Primon, and Some Other Dude, all having adventures elsewhere! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:46, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::but how? the comic states that The Fallen killed them all so how can they be having adventures in other universes if they're truly omniversial or what ever the f**k they're supposed to be. Anyway I think the idea behind the 13 is crap anyway. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 04:03, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:::: It's been stated since the Dreamwave era that the original 13, save the Fallen, all died in an early battle with Unicron. And yet Vector Prime! (Who died but didn't.) And Logos Prime! And Nexus Maximus! Tales of these guys' deaths have been greatly exaggerated. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:19, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:::I found what the film states to be ambigious. It didn't say "there were 7 Primes, and that's all that ever existed." --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:14, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:::: Jetfire said there were 7 Primes leading, and one went bad. I'm not saying that they're the only ones because clearly they weren't (Sentinel and Optimus get a mention after all) but conceptually there seems to be a difference between the 13 originals and just 7 powerful Primes. Apart from the Fallen, it just seems to be a concept loosely connected at best [[User:Eire]] 12.40 June 24th 09

I think we'd be best served, at least, creating a "see main article" for the [[Dynasty of Primes]], and discussing the characters there. Not necessarily splitting it, and certainly merging it back in if any ancillary material clarifies the matter, but we're probably not helping any newbies who have just seen the film and want to read about these characters (if you could go so far as to call these non-entities that), only to wind up deeply confused over why we're insisting there are 13 of them and that they didn't turn in a tomb and such. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:19, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

== So They're not all Primes! ==

According to the Hasbro Q&A they are not all Primes, only 7 are. How do we reconsile that with the opening quote. I mean I get it's a retcon but how do we explain it in a sensible ay on this page? Thoughts?--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.72.27|76.28.72.27]] 20:35, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

:Where were all 13 called "Primes"? Also, from the answer, it seems Hasbro is calling them "The 13". - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:40, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

<blockquote style="background:white; padding:1em; border:1px solid #999;">
{{quote|We are the 13, the first, the forgotten, each of us serving a function vital to the survival of the universe. '''Each of us designated a ''Prime''''' and given a function to serve during the long march of infinity.|Vector Prime|"[[Vector Prime: In the Beginning]]"}}
</blockquote>

::Read the opening quote on this page, Starfield. Actual story material > Q&A answers, in my view. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 20:48, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

::::I vote for "Actual story material > Q&A answers", too. Sometimes I just think HASBRO Q&A are less professional than the writers. By the way, there are only four confirmed members of the The Thirteen, and I don't consider Seven Prime equal The Thirteen despite what Hasbro say, since their origins are quite and obvious different. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:10, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::"Sometimes I think HASBRO Q&A are less professional than the writers"? You do realize that [[Forest Lee]] is both the writer of that Vector Prime: In the Beginning quote and the guy who answers the fiction-related answers for the Q&As? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:03, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::Yes, I know. Well, I admit I wrote the above too soon (due to the rush of breakfast) and a bit emotional. Of course I didn't mean all of them(the answers, not the answerer), just some of the answers make me have such feeling like this. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 22:29, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

:::I don't know. Our criteria for what is canon is "anything that Hasbro approves" since they are the ultimate authority for cannonicity if they come right out and say (As they now have) only 7 of "The Thirteen" were Primes the other 6 were not than that retcon would be the new cannon I think. Especially since it "kinda" patches an existing continuity glitch. Now I admit that claim will be stronger when Hasbro actually releases some story covering this period as they just said they will be doing shortly somehow. But even without that it is a retcon and official I'd say. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.72.27|76.28.72.27]] 20:52, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

:::Hey! I completely missed the quote. I was looking for a citation somewhere. I agree that story > answers. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:07, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

Offhand, I'd say that the notion of the "Seven Primes" as opposed to the Thirteen showed up waaaaaaaaay late in the final drafts of Revenge of the Fallen, and thus too late for the adaptations to incorporate it. After all, they even were working up CGI models for all of the Thirteen. It is entirely possible that this change blindsided even Hasbro, and thus they're trying to spackle it up.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:17, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

I really kinda disagree with reverting the article to the pre-Hasbro-retcon state, as I think it's puting too little weight on Hasbros statement of what is the "truth". But I'm willing to let it go for now, since Hasbro seems to have plans to bring this all to the fore with some sort of fictional spotlight in the near future, we can deal with making the necessary changes when and if that material materializes. :) --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.72.27|76.28.72.27]] 22:48, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

== Female 13 member ==
OK. As of a day or two ago, Hasbro says that one of the 13 is female. Boards are already complaining that this messes with established continuity (IDW, Marvel comics). I'm not convinced this is a huge problem, but it does occur to me that, at the moment, there is no canon to support this claim. Only Hasbro's Q&A response, which might be argued as [[authorial intent]] or [[pseudocanon]]. As something not yet confirmed in canon (but only signaled as possible for the future), should it be included here at this time?--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 14:52, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

== "Original Epic Warriors"? ==

[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=63609] --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 15:46, 26 November 2009 (EST)

==A Math Joke?==
I've been studying for the GRE, so excuse my nerdiness as a result of quantitative overload: if we go with the Hasbro Q&A response, there are 7 Primes out of 13 original transformers... there are six prime numbers in the set of thirteen positive integers: '''2, 3, 5, 7, 11,''' and '''13''' itself. In addition, a prime number can only be divided by itself or '''1''', making a total of seven mathematical prime-related numbers. It might be assuming too much of Hasbro to consider this a deliberate gag for the nerdiest fans, but if it's a just a coincidence, it's a strange one... should this be noted in the article? [[User:Ayellowbirds|Ayellowbirds]] 12:09, 21 February 2010 (EST)
:Exploring that more; [[Prima]] is the '''first''' transformer (and despite bearing the Matrix, is not ''named'' "Prime", but might ''be'' one?), [[Nexus Prime]] is made of '''five''' parts, and we also know of [[Soundblaster (Cybertron)|Logos Prime]] and [[Vector Prime]], and [[the Fallen]] was a Prime before he... fell. Have any number-related concepts been tied to those last three? I want to assume the Fallen was the '''thirteenth''' of the originals, being furthest from his creator's original design as the last of the batch, and due to the negative connotations of the number; and a ''vector'' can be defined as the course or direction of movement between '''two''' points. [[User:Ayellowbirds|Ayellowbirds]] 12:09, 21 February 2010 (EST)

== Exodus Info ==

'''SPOILERS for TF Exodus'''

So Exodus gives us two or three new names for members of the Thirteen.

First there's Megatronus. This is very strongly implied to be the Fallen's original name. But it is still just implied from what I could see. They never come right out and talk about the 13 backstory at length and say the Fallen is Megatronus it just sorta makes the most sense for him to be, given what they do say, if you know the story. So how official do we want to treat that connection?

Second there's Alpha Trion. There's been a lot of chatter that certain stories (especially his evil SG counterpart) breaks the whole "Multiversal Singularity" thing if he's a 13er which he now is. Do we need a note to that effect.?

Lastly is the most questionable case. After talking about Megatronus as a legend at one point a character then mentions Leige Maximo in the next breath as the same type of legendary figure. This could be read as placing him as a 13er as well, but it's never explicately stated clearly. Does it deserve a note, at least in the potential area?

Thoughts?
--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 11:51, 23 June 2010 (EDT)
:Megatronus? I can just imagine the millions of potential joke opportunities that this name comes with.
:Sorry. Anyway, we should have a note next to the Fallen's listing in the confirmed 13ers category saying "Look, his name may or may not be Megatronus." or something to that effect.
:A3 is a huge continuity headache, and we should probably be careful. So, yes, we should definitely have a note.
:And finally, the Liege Maximo isn't ''that'' questionable, but we should keep him in the "possible 13ers" category until other fiction appears and confirms or disproves that.

--[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:23, 23 June 2010 (EDT)

:(Purely personal speculation) I think Megatronus might be Liege Maximo's original name. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 13:08, 23 June 2010 (EDT)
::As I'm not very familiar with most of the fictions, is there any reason "the Fallen" and "Liege Maximo" couldn't be the same guy? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:13, 23 June 2010 (EDT)
:::One of them is not on fire and doesn't exactly seem to serve Unicron? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 13:16, 23 June 2010 (EDT)
::::Has LM ever been in the same story as Unicron? The fire thing seems very minor. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:25, 23 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::LM does sort of resemble an overweight ROTF The Fallen. A little bit. If Megatronus were Liege Maximo, "Megatronus" would be his name, not his "original" name, since "Liege Maximo" is a title. To answer your question, Unicron was quite dead when we first meet Liege Maximo, and there isn't really room in the story for them to have met off-panel in the past. The Fallen and Liege Maximo aren't remotely the same character, but I suppose that could always be retconned. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:01, 23 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::Fallen - name forgotten, created alongside first Primes, founder of Decepticons, purged of morality
::::::Liege Maximo - name unknown, created alongside first Prime, ancestor of Decepticons, ultimate evil
::::::Sounds more than remotely similar to me. But I'm not saying it's true, just an idea that bounced around in my head. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:20, 23 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Also no room in ~13.7 billion years for them to have met off panel? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:39, 27 June 2010 (EDT)
::Megatronus Prime is '''NOT''' the Liege Maximo. We know that for sure as they're named one after the other as seperate beings at one point. And we know for SURE that Megatronus is one of the 13. The info the book gives makes suuggestions that make it VERY, VERY likely he is the Fallen, they just don't say it out bluntly. So Megatronus should get a "confirmed" entry even if we're not going to make the (certainly intended) leep and connect the two. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 13:43, 23 June 2010 (EDT)
:::That's the thing with myths and legends, one being can become split into multiple characters or multiple characters get merged into one with retellings. Just because there are separate legends Megatronus and Liege Maximo doesn't mean that further developments won't reveal them to be the same being. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:49, 23 June 2010 (EDT)
::::That's irrelevant. Unless there's "anything" to suggest it at all in the Canon, it's just "making stuff up" and has no place on this wiki, which is what we're discussing. There's nothing in the book that in any way even hints of hinting that MP might be the LM, where there are lots of clearly very intentional details linking him to The Fallen.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 14:00, 23 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::Oh, I thought you were responding to TX55's clearly labeled "purely personal speculation". I had no intention of anything I said being put in the article. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:04, 23 June 2010 (EDT)

== Toy Section ==

Should it stay or go? If it stays do we list EVERY toy of EVERY one of the Original 13? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:10, 27 June 2010 (EDT)
:I'm for just excising it entirely. It's not exactly a toy gimmick like other subgroups are, and anybody who's interested in the toys can just scoot over to the characters' pages. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:50, 27 June 2010 (EDT)
::That's what I was thinking, I just wanted to bring it up before slashing it. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:56, 27 June 2010 (EDT)

==Alpha Trion==
I'd also note that we need to add Alpha Trion to the confirmed members. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 14:24, 27 June 2010 (EDT)
:Doesn't that mean that we need to combine all the [[Alpha Trion (disambiguation)|Alpha Trion]] articles? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:30, 27 June 2010 (EDT)
::I don't know. It kind of makes my brain hurt. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 14:35, 27 June 2010 (EDT)
:::The thing about Alpha Trion is, he really is the same basic character in every universe. "Wise Ancient Autobot closely connected to Vector Sigma and/or records of Cybertronian history". Except for that one where he's a murdering looney. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:41, 27 June 2010 (EDT)
::::The murdering looney is just the inversion of his resurrecting Prime and Elita (and maybe Magnus). Healer and killer are moral opposites. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:47, 27 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::If the Thirteen travel between the various universes, I ''suppose'' it's possible that the weight of knowing everything that was or will be, in ''each and every universe'' eventually pushes Trion over the edge.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:49, 27 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::Didn't somebody say that the universe they were in could affect a singularity? I just figured this was an example of that. AT in the negative polarity universe exhibits inverted morality. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:54, 27 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::::SG Alpha Trion was the same in the TransTech universe. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:56, 27 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::::Yeah, he was batslag and scheming during his time in Axiom Nexus, just better at hiding it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:56, 27 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::I'm sure there's enough wiffle-waffle in Forest Lee's bullshit-fu answer to the multiversal singularity question to cover it. Maybe this is just one iteration of Trion when he is a "quantum event", playing out the potential question of "What if dude was evil?" until it eventually collapses and reverts. Or something. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:58, 27 June 2010 (EDT)

::::Actually, to throw another kink into things, Animated Alpha Trion is not a historian, has no connection to any Vector Sigma, and indeed Wyatt, at least, says Animated has no multiversal singularity anything in it. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:51, 27 June 2010 (EDT)
::::Authorial intent can be overruled by the iron fist of Hasbro. If Hasbro says Alpha Trion is always a historian with a connection to Vector Sigma who exists in all universes, then Wyatt be slagged, that's what he is. {{unsigned|173.71.105.23|22:53, 27 June 2010}}
::::::Sorry, but for me authorial intent can only be overruled by later canon fiction in the exact same continuity, not by a completely different continuity written by someone with no connection to the other one. Especially since changing Alpha Trion's role or adding in Vector Sigma where it doesn't exist would be changing actual ''canon'' as well, not just authorial intent.
::::::(Plus, if Hasbro actually wanted to wield its iron fist, they would have enforced the singularities being written into Animated in the first place.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:18, 27 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Thing is, Animated continuity by itself (completely ignoring the words of Wyatt and Isenberg) doesn't create any mutual exclusivities because it didn't take a side either way. Hasbro didn't put down it's iron fist because they didn't need to yet.[[Special:Contributions/72.128.51.130|72.128.51.130]] 00:53, 28 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::::Except that if Hasbro wanted the singularities in Animated, then Isenberg and Wyatt would not be saying those things at all to begin with, since they wouldn't be the case. (Or they'd at the very least be saying "We didn't want to, but Hasbro made us" or something.) Plus, the Allspark and no Vector Sigma contradict Primus and the VS Gestalt, at least.
::::::::(I've never ever understood why the wiki is 95% sticklers for canon, except for this one case, where suddenly fanwank speculation and authorial intent (from authors who aren't even involved with the continuities in question, to boot) suddenly reigns supreme, sometimes even over actual canon.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 01:08, 28 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::Seriously? You're saying that Hasbro's official call on the matter ''isn't'' canon? You're not making sense here. A3 being one of the 13 is not fanwank speculation, and it looks like to me you're misunderstanding the definition of authorial intent. Wyatt and Isenberg's opinion doesn't matter because it didn't make it into the actual fiction, and it wasn't going to, because it undermines the multiversal (with singularities) framework that Hasbro is finally getting to brass tacks on. And let's face it, backpedaling at the point they are at right now isn't a good idea by any stretch of the standard. Hasbro never commented on Wyatt/Isenberg's idea because it wasn't an issue yet, more of a "well, we'll let them think so for the time being, until the fiction actually gets to that point".[[Special:Contributions/72.128.51.130|72.128.51.130]] 02:02, 28 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::Derrick Wyatt also said, on several occasions, that as far as he is concerned there are no Primus and Unicron in the Animated universe. And I'm afraid his opinion doesn't count there, since the multiversal god conceit predates his work and is much bigger than it. As I end up pointing out here semi-regularly, authors have gotten stuff wrong before and we just mark it down as a trivia note. --[[Special:Contributions/74.73.134.205|74.73.134.205]] 14:39, 28 June 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::I consider actual fiction canon, then authorial intent from the people who actually wrote the fiction for things that don't contradict canon. And the fact that Trion is not a historian and there's no Vector Sigma IS canon for Animated. Like I said, if Hasbro actually cared about the matter they could very very easily have made Isenberg write something in somewhere and removed all doubt, or told the creators to stop making untrue statements.
::::::::::Plus, it's not the existence of the 13 that's the problem, it's the idea of the singularity nonsense that's the problem. So far Hasbro's ''never'' said a single thing about that. All the info has been about ''the 13'' and has been related to TF: Prime; I haven't heard anything about singularities, unless there's BotCon news that wasn't reported.
::::::::::(And "official call" makes no sense. If anything, the opposite: all we've gotten is from FunPub fiction/writers, and FunPub's editor flatly said that the Movieverse, at least, is separate from FunPub's take. Meanwhile, IDW, the Movies, and Animated all have canon and statements flatly going against the singularity, and Hasbro's current statements have been about TF: Prime, not TF as a whole. So I don't get why people claim Hasbro's pushing the singularity when I've never seen a statement from them about it and they keep approving fiction that contradicts it.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 02:36, 28 June 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::: Here's the problem. Hasbro HAS said officially that all the 13 are Multiversal Singularities. And they HAVE said A3 is a 13er. That's canon. That's what the wiki needs to go by. Nothing personal, but it doesn't matter what you personnally think about Authoral Intent. How like canon you make it in your own mind/fanon. That is NOT canon. It can be interesting. It can be worth mentioning on the wiki. But it is NOT CANON until it appears officially approved by Hasbro somwhere. So going by what's official the pages really need to be merged. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 06:38, 28 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::::No, they have not said that. The only thing I've ever seen about multiversal singularities has, like I said, come from FunPub writers and fiction. And, like I said, it's been stated directly by FunPub that at least one continuity is separate from what FunPub does. Like I also said, everything Hasbro has said about the Thirteen has only mentioned a single continuity: Exodus/TF: Prime; they haven't said the Thirteen are singularities. And, like I also also said, it's not just authorial intent but actual canon in the fiction that has contradicted the singularity idea. Fiction that was approved by Hasbro, I might add.
:::::::::::::It's you folks claiming that Hasbro is supposedly pushing the singularity that are ignoring canon and what Hasbro actually has and hasn't said. Not only that, but you are actually also going by authorial intent. In fact, you're being worse about it than I am, since you're going by authorial intent of people who have nothing to do with writing the continuities in question!
:::::::::::::So, to the contrary, going by what's official there's no reason to merge at all. Trion is a Thirteener in some continuities, yes, but that's it.
::::::::::::: When Hasbro actually comes out and says that the Thirteen are singularities and we see some actual mainstream fiction saying so--and Hasbro made the effort to explain that Zeta Prime was "Sentinel Zeta Prime", so we ''know'' they'll speak up when they actually do have problems--then I'll concede the point. Until then, all canon, official evidence, and authorial intent from the actual continuity writers, that I've seen is to the contrary, which is why the wiki's stance bugs me so much. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 09:41, 28 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::::Jeysie, you do realize that when we're saying "Hasbro", we're basically saying "Forest Lee", right? The guy who wrote both the FunPub coimcs and bios dealing with the singularity thing, and is also Hasbro's bio-writer. And who answered the Q&A question about singularities. Lee saying it is "Hasbro" saying it. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 09:59, 28 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::And again, FunPub's come out as saying their fiction doesn't apply to at least one universe. And 99.9% of the time we don't let toy bios override the actual fiction, so I'm not sure why this case is different.
:::::::::::::::To me "Hasbro saying it" equals someone like Archer, who deals with more than just a single company's continuity or toy blurbs that often don't match up with actual fiction anyway. The whole Sentinel/Zeta Prime thing, for instance, was (AFAIK, correct me if wrong) commented on by an overseeing Hasbro person, rather than by a writer who writes for a continuity entirely separate from WFC's. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 10:17, 28 June 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::Did Hasbro know that that was the author's intent? If they never specifically mentioned those ideas, Hasbro would not have known "to put their foot down". I don't know one way or the other, but that is an unspoken assumption in your argument that needs to be examined. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:07, 28 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::I find it hard to believe that they had no clue what someone like Isenberg was planning on doing with the fiction. Especially when they've been shown to be perfectly picky about any number of minor details in the fiction, so why would they fail to worry about major ones? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 10:17, 28 June 2010 (EDT)

::::::::Contrary to what you think, Vector Sigma DOES exist in Animated continuity (even according to Wyatt!). Read A3's Animated page. It's there. If you're going to argue a point, at least research it first. - [[Special:Contributions/72.128.51.130|72.128.51.130]] 10:38, 28 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::Again, like I said, it's not the Thirteen specifically that's the problem, it's the singularity that's the problem. There's no issue with the Thirteen existing in a continuity (any more than any other character the writers want to have existing in a continuity), it's the idea that they're some singularity that has to exist always in the same way that's the sticking point.
:::::::::Vector Sigma can exist in Animated all he wants; that doesn't prove anything except that he exists and can travel between dimensions (which is true of plenty of characters who aren't Thirteen members or singularities, so that doesn't say much on its own). And heck, Animated Alpha Trion may even be part of the Animated Thirteen for all we know--he's just not a singularity as far as Animated is concerned. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 10:43, 28 June 2010 (EDT)

:::::::: IIRC, "A3 is one of the Thirteen" is originally a speculation (or, at least, not official) until the publication of ''Exodus''. Also, I think I agree with Jeysie's argument/point. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 03:48, 28 June 2010 (EDT)

Considering Lee wrote Reunification, as well as the bio for Nexus Prime and the tidbits about Alpha Trion helping split up Prima's sword? Yeah, I'd wager Lee has an explanation for this waiting in the wings. I can't imagine he wasn't already planning for this at that time.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:03, 27 June 2010 (EDT)

:Yeah, absolutely. There is very obviously something ''big'' planned for the Thirteen, and has been for some time, but they're either taking their time very deliberately and building slowly, slowly, ever-so-slowly, or they can't quite find the right venue for the story. I can't think of a ''worse'' way to do it than through IDW, so I was quite glad when I heard that idea had been scrapped after it became "more of a Hasbro thing than an IDW thing", but it seems like something that needs more exposure than just a fanclub comic, so... I'm talking like I'm on a message board, so I'll stop. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:09, 27 June 2010 (EDT)

::Considering this from a wiki standpoint, I'll just say that this takes us into ''tremendously'' fertile territory for bi-monthly Q&A submissions.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:11, 27 June 2010 (EDT)

:::I guess the problem with merging is that we first have to find out if there one, even is an explanation, and two, what said explanation is. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:51, 27 June 2010 (EDT)

::Unless Alpha Trion is just like Vector Prime in some way, or an explanation like the ''ROTF'' Fallen, but I'll hate it if that becomes true. What I worry is that if we ask in Q&A, will they made a explanation in rush? Or should we find a way to ask the writer(s?) of ''Exodus''? --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 22:57, 27 June 2010 (EDT)

::::I see it the other way, merge the articles with a note that the explanation is unclear and fill in the explanation later. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 22:55, 27 June 2010 (EDT)

:::::What Hasbro says, goes. Whatever anyone else says is a trivia note at best if it conflicts with Hasbro. I say we merge, since that's the official word, with a note explaining that the merger has a few weird issues and we don't have an official explanation yet.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 23:15, 27 June 2010 (EDT)

:::::: My thing is, until we have some clear idea how it all fits together structure-wise, trying to merge everything is going to be one very long pile-on mess. Especially when we try to write up how to reconcile SG and Animated Alpha Trions. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:18, 27 June 2010 (EDT)

::::::: I vote for note vote until we get a clear explanation. However, if possible, I do consider using subpages if confirmed because there are a big divergence between all Alpha Trion. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 23:22, 27 June 2010 (EDT)



::::::::Tx? What does that mean? Anyway, I don't really see the issue. They get a write-up on what they did in each continuity under the correct header in "Fiction" and the section starts with a continuity note that says "This doesn't seem to fit with the nature of the character as dictated by Hasbro, but who knows the conflict may be explained away in the future." Boom. Where's the "complications"? Kinda how the Sunbow Toon is handled in the Unicron and Primus articles.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 23:26, 27 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::::: (COming in kinda late but...) I also vote on just waiting this out for a bit... It's not even that big of a deal if you ask me. Any author could just come along and make up an easy explanation to solve this problem. Even I can do it, watch: "Eons ago, A3 split himself from a singularity into a multitude of individuals to better understand non-singularity beings blah blah blah blah..." When you read mystery fiction, do you just flip out when something doesn't add up and confuses you? No, you keep on reading, and odds are by the end of the story, something comes up and makes you say "oh! It all makes sense now!" --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 12:08, 28 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::Yeah. Considering we're usually patient, I don't see a problem with just waiting until we get a clear idea of things. We can always just stick a message box at the top saying that we think they all need a merge, but we're waiting on the matter.
::::::::::(Heck, for all we know, it'll end up being canon that, like you say, he's actually a ''split'' singularity that's deliberately many separate individuals who are all part of the same, uh, personality gestalt. In which case merging might not make sense after all.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:14, 28 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::If we stick a very clear, unambiguous message that these should probably be merged at the top of the pages I would have no problem with waiting a reasonable time period before merging. It should not be hidden down at the bottom in the notes though, we need to be out in the open with this. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:21, 28 June 2010 (EDT)

==Another perspective on Multiuniversal Singularities==
Is it absolutely, 100% set in stone that every version of a character who's referenced as a Multiversal Singularity is definitely the same guy? How about Megatronus? Megatron used to go by that name. If we REALLY follow the idea that every character sharing a name with a Multiuniversal Singularity is the same guy, then every Megatron is also the Fallen. Assuming no one hear actually takes that position, then we have precedent where there are two characters sharing a name, one of whom is a confirmed Multiuniversal Singularity, and the other of whom is not. Once we have one example, it logically follows that there might be more.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:15, 28 June 2010 (EDT)

:This makes perfect sense to me. Then again, pretty much every explanation people have come up with for, say, A3's status as an MS has made perfect sense to me, so..... --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:22, 28 June 2010 (EDT)

::That actually is something that I've also considered. It ''would'' be a rather tidy "have your cake and eat it too" kind of explanation that undoes some of the thorniness of the matter. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:29, 28 June 2010 (EDT)

:::It makes sense to me, too. I really like "two characters sharing a name, one of whom is a confirmed Multiuniversal Singularity, and the other of whom is not." --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 13:25, 28 June 2010 (EDT)

February 23

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<noinclude>{{cal-date|2|23}}</noinclude>
* '''2000:''' The [[Beast Machines (cartoon)|''Beast Machines'']] episode "[[Prometheus Unbound]]" premieres.

* '''2002:''' The ''[[Robots in Disguise (cartoon)|Robots in Disguise]]'' episode "[[The Human Element]]" premieres in the US.

* '''2008:''' The ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers Animated]]'' episode "[[Sound and Fury]]" premieres in the US.

* '''2010:''' [[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] discovers a [[Toy Fair 1986]] Hasbro catalog on [[eBay]]. A grassroots fundraiser to purchase it for scanning purposes begins, and in short order becomes the [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=67034&st=0&start=0 Hasbro Children's Hospital Charity Drive]. In 7 days, '''$2340''' is raised for the [http://ww.nwcr.ws/hch/ Hasbro Children's Hospital]. Wow.

WAirhouse

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:''The wAirhouse [sic] is a location from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''
The '''wAirhouse''' is [[HomeTech]]'s main warehouse, where they store all of their 'bots prior to shipping them out. Located just outside Detroit, the wAirhouse is a huge silver cube, levitating a hundred metres off the ground. From there, 'bots can be dispatched via rocket freighter.

==Fiction==
===Prime Suspect===
Following the theft of a [[Pixie-6]] control sphere from HomeTech's main laboratory, the [[Autobot]]s entered the wAirhouse in search of the culprit. [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] managed to knock over a pile of storage pods, and another crash nearby sent them running to investigate. The second noise had been created by [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]], who had stolen the control sphere and framed [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] for the theft. Blitzwing threatened the two small humans who were with the Autobots, but Prime came to their rescue. After a battle in the main warehouse area, during which a bunch of the Pixie-6 'bots were destroyed, Blitzwing was defeated. {{storylink|Prime Suspect}}

==Notes==
*As ''Prime Suspect'' is a [[multipath adventure]], the wAirhouse only appears in one particular branch of the story. Making different selections will take you to one of four potential warehouses.

[[Category:Animated locations]]

Anthropoid

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:''The protohumans are semi-sentient animals from the [[Beast Wars (franchise)|Beast Wars]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]]''

[[Image:Protohumans1 CodeofHero.jpg|right|250px|thumb|"In the beginning..."]]
Millions of years ago in a valley in eastern [[Africa]], there lived tribes of '''protohuman''' primates. At the time of initial contact with [[Transformer|Transformers]], there was little obvious external difference between the protohumans and other animals sharing their environment. But since the protohumans were destined to evolve into the modern [[human]] race, which would in turn play a key role in the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]], these simple creatures were targeted for destruction by the time-travelling [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]].

==Fiction==
===''Beast Wars'' cartoon===
When first seen, the protohumans were clearly in a pre-civilization state, living as hunter-gatherers, unable to use tools, wear clothes, or defend themselves from predators, and communicating only by animalistic grunting and body language. After [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] had conclusively proven that he could use the information on the [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|Golden Disk]] to shape the unfolding of future events, he decided to exterminate the protohumans and thus prevent their descendants from helping the [[Autobot]]s win the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]]. The Predacons began a heavy assault on the protohuman valley, and succeeded in injuring some of them, but their plan was foiled by [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]], who not only saved the creatures but also inspired them to use tools in self-defense and food-gathering. {{storylink|Code of Hero}}

[[Image:Protohuman weapon CodeofHero.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Collecting all of Dinobot's accessories can be a grueling task.]]
The surviving protohumans scattered across a wide area. Since Transformer scanners have a hard time tracking organic lifeforms, this meant it would be impossible for a similar attack to be attempted again. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part 1)}}

Instead, Megatron designed his hunting team of [[Cyber raptor]]s, vicious clones of Dinobot using experimental [[Transmetal 2]] technology, and unleashed them to roam freely killing any protohumans they encountered. By that point protohuman culture had advanced significantly: rudimentary tool use was widespread, individuals garbed themselves in animal skins, and both walking and communication had become more sophisticated. They had not, however, advanced to the point where they could defend themselves from laser-shooting cyborg dinosaurs, so the [[Maximal]]s had to save them again. {{storylink|Cutting Edge}}

As the protohumans observed and interacted with Transformers more and more frequently, their own ability to use technology grew more sophisticated. [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] can probably take some credit for this, as he was holding regular lessons teaching the young Protohumans [[Chak]] and [[Una]] how to use simple machines such as levers, pulleys, and hinges. He also taught them the basics of combat, including how to defend themselves from Transformers, though he preferred that they be constructive and non-violent. Megatron sought to take advantage of the protohumans' ingenuity by kidnapping one and forcing her to complete the construction of an unstable [[Energon (fuel)|energon]] cannon, but the young primate actually outsmarted him. {{storylink|Go with the Flow}}

[[Image:Una Stabilisercrystal GowiththeFlow.jpg|right|200px|thumb|The long, humiliating history of Megatrons being defeated by humans begins here.]]
Eventually, protohumans developed the knowledge to create complex dwelling structures in cliff caves and freestanding houses, as well as mastery of fire, division of labor, gender roles, and mass-production of musical instruments and sturdy weapons such as spears. With that technology and training on their side, a tribe of protohuman warriors was able to repulse the (admittedly scatterbrained) team of [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] and [[Quickstrike (BW)|Quickstrike]]. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 1}}

Megatron's continuing obsession with the protohumans eventually hastened his own defeat. Believing that "no score is too small to settle," he ordered [[Dinobot II]] to unleash the full firepower of the [[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]] upon a protohuman—a command so unfair and dishonorable that it sowed the seeds of Dinobot II's eventual revolt against his master. After the Predacons were finally defeated, [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] lived among the "fleshybots" for a time and was worshipped as a ruler or deity. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 2}}

===''Beast Machines'' cartoon===
After Waspinator angered them by flicking rocks at their heads, the protohumans revolted against him, chasing him out of their camp and catapulting him off a palm tree. {{storylink|The Catalyst}}

==Notes==
* The [[Vok]] were aware of the existence and importance of the protohumans, since one of the relief images on the [[Golden Disk (Vok)|Alien Disk]] is a humanoid figure standing next to a tree. Precisely what their goals were for humanity is unknown. ''Beast Wars'' story editor [[Bob Forward]] later said that among the many unrealized ideas behind the Vok was the notion that they had put Earth's mysterious energon supplies there as a clean energy source to be used by eventual human descendants.

* It is not possible to correlate the ''Beast Wars'' protohumans with any real prehistoric hominid. The era in which ''Beast Wars'' is set has varied wildly throughout different media, but for any of the purported time periods the level of physical and cultural advancements among the protohumans does not match what the [[wikipedia:Human_evolution|fossil record]] actually shows. Megatron refers to them as "early anthropoids", Cheetor calls them "advanced anthropoids", and the script calls them "[[wikipedia:Neanderthal|Neanderthals]]". At least no one called them "[[Leader-1 (Armada)|Leader-1]]".

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[[Category:Humans]]

Planetary engine

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:''The planetary engines are technological features of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] in the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]]'' 
[[image:Rebirth 3 Earth Cybertron.JPG|right|thumb|250px|Classics ''War Planets''.]]
Those who desire total conquest of Cybertron rarely want to stop there, instead envisioning the creation of a vast intergalactic imperium with Cybertron as its throne. To further this conquest and enslave the rest of the heavens, many a would-be dictator has attempted to either create or use Cybertron's unfathomably powerful '''planetary engines''' that can actually repurpose the world as an unstoppable mobile dreadnaught.

In theory.

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===

[[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] first experimented with planetary engines on a comparatively small scale, arranging to have a set built on a comet. He intended to use them to crash the comet into [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], but an attack by the Autobots destroyed the engines, and the comet was then eradicated by the sonic weaponry on the nearby planet [[Eurythma]]. {{storylink|Carnage in C-Minor}}

Galvtron later revisited the idea of planet engines when devising his master plan to punish [[human|humanity]] for having helped the Autobots. With the Autobots themselves largely defeated on Cybertron, Galvatron ordered the [[Combaticon|Combaticons]] to extract their defeated victims' [[power pack]]s, then construct gigantic planetary engines--"the biggest rockets ever built!"--and use the power packs as fuel. This tactic succeeded, allowing Galvatron to pilot the planet into an [[Earth]]-orbit, at which time he attempted to use the power of the [[Plasma Energy Chamber]] to destroy the entire [[solar system]]. Luckily for everybody (including himself), the planetary engines actually provided the means to ''foil'' Galvatron's plans, as [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] had the Autobots' [[Nebulos|Nebulan]] allies reverse the rockets' polarity. With its mechanism thusly reversed from "output" to "intake" (we know, we know, just go with us, okay?), the engines were used them to absorb the excess solar energy and channel it straight to [[Vector Sigma]], preventing the explosion of the sun and revitalizing Cybertron and restoring its [[Golden Age]]. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 3}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s plans to create the planetary engines were seen as so radical and extreme that most of Cybertronian intellectual society dismissed him as a meaningless kook. One who did not do so was the egotistical Autobot scientist [[Flame (UK comic)|Flame]], who liked the idea so much he chose to appropriate it for himself. Acting covertly, Flame discovered the immense fusion engines Megatron had tried to use, and endeavored to reactivate them himself--disregarding all warnings from [[Xaaron]] that engaging the reactors would destroy the planet. Flame would be undone by his own ambition, destroyed in the reactor explosion. {{storylink|Meltdown!}}

===Dreamwave Comics continuity===
As he built his underground army, Megatron somehow came to glimpse the ancient nature of Cybertron and its potential ability to traverse the stars. Using attacks against Autobot cities as a diversion, Megatron attempted to activate the giant planetary engines and turn Cybertron into a warworld--but [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] was able to defeat him. {{storylink|The War Within issue 4}}

==Notes==
* The various comic treatments of Cybertron's planetary engines tend to vaguely align with one another, which makes sense since they were all written by [[Simon Furman]] and there are some themes he is fond of [[Furmanism|revisiting]]. Though the cartoon's portrayal lacks the ancient historic tie-ins, it is notable (albeit almost certainly coincidental) that once again the idea for the giant engines comes from Megatron--or at least, the guy who was built from him.
* Galvatron was really into planetary engines in the Generation 1 cartoon—in addition to their appearances in "[[Carnage in C-Minor]]" and "[[The Rebirth]]", an aborted plotline from "[[Fight or Flee]]" involved planetary engines being built on [[Paradron]] in order to turn the planet into a mobile fortress.

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[[Category:Planet Cybertron]]
[[Category:Generation 1]]

Stock footage

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[[Image:G1FortressMaximus HMstockfootage.jpg|right|200px|thumb|My knee hurts SO MUCH.]]
'''Stock footage''' refers to a sequence in film or television that can be frequently re-used, occasionally in multiple different productions. It is commonly used in animation to save the time and expense of having to re-draw sequences that are more or less assured to take place in every single episode.

==Japanese series==
In the context of Transformers, it applies to most of Japanese-made anime series: ''[[The Headmasters (cartoon)|The Headmasters]]'', ''[[Masterforce (cartoon)|Masterforce]]'', ''[[Victory (cartoon)|Victory]]'', ''[[Beast Wars II (cartoon)|Beast Wars II]]'', ''[[Beast Wars Neo (cartoon)|Beast Wars Neo]]'', ''[[Robots in Disguise (cartoon)|Robots in Disguise]]'', and the [[Unicron Trilogy]] shows. All of those series would almost ritualistically showcase the same clips of characters [[Transformation|transforming]], [[Combiner|combining]], or deploying unique [[Weapon|weapons]].
These sequences often seemingly transport the characters to a setting different from the actual events of that part of the episode, as the entire standard background fades away and is replaced by streaking speedlines and flashes of color, so they can be used no matter where the characters actually are in the script.

[[Image:ArmadaStock.jpg|left|180px|thumb|Blue streaks!]]
Stock footage sequences typically have more detail, higher frame rates, and more exaggerated, prolonged posturing movements than the standard storytelling animation surrounding them. Supposedly, this is the method in which Japanese [[To sell toys|marketing]] has decided a toy's gimmicks are best "highlighted" in these advertoons.

The dub for ''[[Cybertron (cartoon)|Transformers Cybertron]]'' often poked fun at the practice, having characters narrate their filler stock-footage in ways that implied boredom or curiosity ("Why do we always go ''this'' way?"), or simply filled excessively-long sequences with snappy patter among the characters involved. Of course, ''Cybertron'' was particularly egregious in its dependence on using stock footage to fill time like the visual equivalent of styrofoam peanuts.
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==American series==
[[Image:MegsFlash.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Your transforming posture is highly awesome.]]
This practice is different from the stock animations used in the CGI-animated [[Beast Wars (cartoon)|''Beast Wars'' show]], which often used "standard" sets of model movements for the characters' transformations from beast to robot mode to save the animators' time. However, these animations were not stock ''footage''; each sequence had to be rendered out normally as any other each time they occurred, using different camera angles with the characters in the same scenery as they were before and after they transformed.

In the [[Transformers Animated|''Animated'']] series, most characters do have stock footage versions of their transformation sequences, but their usage has been the exception rather than the rule. For instance, the series' opening credits shows a great deal of stock footage that has rarely, or never, appeared in the actual cartoon. In this context, "[[Human Error, Part I]]" stands out for its egregious use of stock footage to pad the episode out - including full stock footage transformations for the ''hallucinatory'' [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] and [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]], as well as [[Retool|retooled]] versions of previous sequences which were used to depict the Autobots reverting back to their robot forms - yeah, that's right, for an event that only happens once.

[[Image:G1OptimusPrimeStockFootage.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Stomach in, chest out, look wistfully into the distance. Prime tries out to be an Abercrombie model.]]
The [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|original ''Generation 1'' cartoon]] was not immune from the use of stock footage, however its use was more limited and was generally used in a similar manner to ''Beast Wars'',
with pre-canned transformations employed over different backgrounds depending on the situation, without any cutscenes. Not surprisingly, the most notable of these is a transformation sequence for [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] which was used in both directions (truck to robot, and robot to truck), however others can be found, primarily throughout season 1, due to the smaller cast.

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