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Talk:Kid-appeal character

2012-05-14T03:43:21Z

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[[Trent Troop]] has [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=75783&pid=1725359&mode=threaded&start=0#entry1725359 said] that [[Sir Soundwave]] was designed as "the kid-appeal character", fitting the whole [[Sunbow]] theme of some SG material. Noteworthy? [[Special:Contributions/75.61.100.140|75.61.100.140]] 15:57, 13 May 2012 (EDT)
: The same thing has also been said about [[Reflector (SG)|Reflector]]. It's why he's yellow, like Bumblebee. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:10, 13 May 2012 (EDT)
:: Well, that's silly. Buzzsaw and Razorclaw are yellow, too, and Razorclaw, for that matter, had much more importance than Reflector (who only has one line to his name). Soundwave, meanwhile, was originally a repurposing, and can't be yellow. Disregarding that, and Trent Troop's remarks ''explicitly naming him'' "the Decepticons' Bumblebee" , though, I think "reckless, rebellious, jokey, commonly-appearing musician who speaks in slang, befriends humans, and wears a Ninja Turtle headband" outweighs "yellow extra." At least, I'd say it deserves a note. [[Special:Contributions/75.61.100.140|75.61.100.140]] 23:43, 13 May 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Kid-appeal character

2012-05-14T03:42:45Z

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Talk:Kid-appeal character

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Talk:Kid-appeal character

2012-05-13T19:57:17Z

75.61.100.140: New page: Trent Troop has http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=75783&pid=1725359&mode=threaded&start=0#entry1725359 said that Sir Soundwave was designed as "the kid-appeal ...

[[Trent Troop]] has [[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=75783&pid=1725359&mode=threaded&start=0#entry1725359 said]] that [[Sir Soundwave]] was designed as "the kid-appeal character", fitting the whole [[Sunbow]] theme of some SG material. Noteworthy? [[Special:Contributions/75.61.100.140|75.61.100.140]] 15:57, 13 May 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Ultra Magnus (G1)

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Since Ultra Magnus didn't feature in the US comic, I'd suggest that we forego the usual italics for UK material on this entry, but just note that Magnus was only in the UK comics.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 13:29, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

The cartoon entry conflates events from japanese continuity and american. That's not right. Also the link under reconfiguration matrix talks about him dying and being granted a new body ect... where's that from, since it hasn't been followed up here yet.
: It's from eHobby Laser Magnus' profile. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:12, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

==Timeline==
I tried to re-organize Magnus's timeline to make more sense. I am not sure if I succeeded. I also removed the bit about Astrotrain and Reflector spying from the Scramble City OVA section because that not only took place in the ''manga'', but before Ultra Magnus was ''introduced''. Although I guess Magnus may still have been in charge of the project at that point, I don't think anyone can say for certain. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 08:58, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

==Dion==
Just curious. Fact: Magnus' inner robot and Optimus' robot mode are identical. How does this fact benefit the argument that Dion is Ultra Magnus? Dion is not identical to Orion Pax, is he? [[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 14:44, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
: Does the article state that this benefits the argument? I'm confused why you would bring it up. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
: Ah. Better reading comprehension! I just noticed the "Just curious." I think the reason the "Dion is Ultra Magnus" theory believes Ultra Magnus and Optimus Prime are brothers is because Alpha Trion rebuilt them both. After all, Alpha Trion rebuilding Orion Pax makes him his father, apparently, so if Alpha Trion rebuilt both of them, and he's both of their fathers, that makes them brothers. (It also makes Elita One their sister, which is why I like to think that little revelation made Prime go all "Uh... gotta go home now, see you never" at the end, but ahahahaha...) Ultra Magnus' inner robot and Optimus Prime look the same, which is another argument for Alpha Trion rebuilding both of them.
: Me, I don't think I care one way or the other. I don't think it's what the writers intended, certainly, but that can always be expanded on by later writers if they wish. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:44, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

::You don't think that's what the writers intentioned? Late season 2 episode, the movie had already been planned and was well into production, and they went out of their way to make the Elita One connection... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:19, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
:::I don't think that's what the writers intended because some writers have explicitly said in interviews that they weren't writing in anticipation of the movie at all. Rather, they were expressly ignoring it. If Dion was "meant" to be somebody, it would've had to have been a contemporary, like Ironhide. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
::...I guess I really dont' have a strong opinion on this. I '''don't''' think the note should read 'may possibly be', since I think the Magnus/Dion connection is well established by this point through various sources. I would prefer somethign like- "He's probably Dion, though there is no explicit proof."
::(Of course, then you need to add a note about how in the Marvel UK continuity, Magnus was a fairly ecently-recreated Autobot, and has no conenction to Prime at all.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:19, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Uh, no. Give me these sources where the Magnus/Dion connection is 'well-established'. - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 19:08, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
:::: "well-established" = "some fans won't shut up about it despite the lack of any, you know, actual proof or anything." --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:10, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

:::::<nowiki>*rolls eyes*</nowiki> Well, the BEST one wouldbe RiD, where magnus says he and Prime were build (or rebuilt, i forgret ehich and haven't hit that ep with my DVD's yet) by Alha Trion together.
:::::But hey, let's go on pretending RiD is a completely seperate, unrelated-to-G1-at-all continuity. The relationship may be bastard cousin...
:::::Does Magnus's Team Dion in Dreamwave count? Or does that fall into 'no, that's an easter egg'? 'cuz... it's an easter egg... about him bing Dion. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:45, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
::::::I don't see how either have anything remotely to do with the G1 cartoon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:50, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
:::::::If Dion and Iron Pax exist in mroe than just cartoon continuity, I dont' have to be discussing the cartoon. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
::::::So all your evidence comes from continuities where there's no evidence that Dion (or Orion Pax, for that matter) existed at all. I remain unconvinced. - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 20:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
::::::: In Dreamwave continuity, Optimsu was once known as Optronix- "or Orion to his friends." -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
::::::::And? [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 05:03, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
::::::::: And, if not on Magnus's page, then on Dion, there should be a 'while interviews indicate <nowiki>{{Tooltip|Dion was not meant to be anybody|evidence is circumstantial, but likely}}</nowiki>, post-universal references tend to link him to Ultra Magnus. ''This would not necessarily apply to the cartoon of course.'''
::::::::: I think the current entry under Magnus is unnecessariyl dismissive of the conenction, when there actually IS some reasont o make such a conenction- albeit not int he G1 'toon. (whose 'evidence' is merely circumstantial.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:57, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
:Reading the article again, I still don't see what identical robot modes has to do with Dion. I can see an argument about Optimus and Megnus being brothers based on looking alike. But I don't see how "Magnus looks like Optimus, therefore Magnus is Dion" is true. The fact that Dion does not look like Orion Pax works against the "Dion is Magnus" theory. The article uses "Identical Robot Modes" as support for the DiM theory. Why? --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 17:44, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
::Dion and Orion Pax were not identical. When Alpha Trion ''rebuilt them both'', then they were identical. Or so the theory says. The rebuilding is where the identical-ness took place. Alpha Trion is their common designer. I thought I had made that clear. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:57, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Does this rebuilding of Dion happen in the cartoon, or is it just made up? Are we just making stuff up to support are arguments? --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 20:04, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
::::What the hell are you talking about? Of course it doesn't happen. I never said any of it did, nor do I even endorse the theory. But the subject of Dion's identity is, regardless, one of much debate, to the point of being acknowledged in later official fictions. Did you even read the portion of the actual article regarding this? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:17, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
::::: What the hell are YOU talking about? Of course I've read it. That's why I'm asking these questions. The article makes no sense on this subject. "It has been speculated by some fans that, in Cartoon continuity, Ultra Magnus may have been created from Orion Pax's friend Dion, the same way and at the same time Prime and Elita One were rebuilt by Alpha Trion. The fact that Magnus's inner robot (though never seen in the Cartoon) is the same design as Prime and the apparently close and old friendship the two share are pointed to as supporting this." This is what the article said earlier today. To paraphrase: "Ultra Magnus may have once been Dion. The fact that Magnus and Optimus have the same robot mode supports this." What the hell does that mean? That doesn't make sense. But, because that info is no longer in the article, this discussion moot. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 04:06, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
:::::: I didn't write the original paragraph. I'm only trying to explain it, and that's all I've been attempting to do. What I was confused about is why you think "we" are making stuff up. I am not making up anything. I am telling you what other people are making up. It's very aggravating, as I thought I answered your question (re: what other people are making up and why, just to be absolutely clear) in my first reply on this page, before being accused of fathering outrageous lies. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:00, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
::::::: I thank you for helping me understand this, but your original reply did not answer my questions. I don't mean to accuse you of any lies. "We" was referring to the fandom in general. It's very aggrivating for ME, trying to understand this thing. The new information on the Dion page does a great job explaining it. I'm sorry for being such a pain in the ass. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 14:50, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

== Some UK stuff ==

[[Talk:Reproduction#Matrix Flame and Magnus ?|This bit is important.]] -Derik16:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

== Caption ==
I'd just like to throw my two bits in and say I like the caption about repaints (for the Dreamwave inner-robot image) better than the "deal with it now" comment. --[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 15:16, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

== Laser magnus ==

Is Laser Magnus really a Generation 2 toy? I know the story is post-G2, but I feel like the presentation here makes him out to be a G2 release. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:14, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
: He's a G2 toy. He's in a G2 box and has G2 symbols. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:54, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

::For some reason the Laser Magnus bio link at e-Hobby blocked my attempts to save this page after an edit, so I removed it for now. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:::...wha? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Just as I said - when I clicked 'Save page' in UM's article, for some reason the wiki wouldn't let me, as it claimed the e-hobby Magnus link was possibly spam, quoting the many numbers in the link. After I removed the link, THEN it let me save the page. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::::: Wiki software does that for all external links. It will show some numbers and/or letters that tou enter in the small text field and press enter. It's the same kind of things online forums use to prevent bots from registering. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 14:30, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::No it did not request any entering of letters or numbers. Nor has it ever requested I do that when I create external links. I just tried to put the Laser Magnus link back and this is what I got:

'''Spam protection filter'''

The page you wanted to save was blocked by the spam filter. This is probably caused by a link to an external site.

The following text is what triggered our spam filter:

Return to Main Page.

:NOTE: The numbers have been removed because it considered THAT to be spam, too, and wouldn't let me save this page. Jesus.
:--[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:14, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

== BIAB magnus ==

I noticed that BIAB Magnus was added to the toys section. Was it established that BIAB Magnus is G1 Magnus? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 14:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

== Ummm Megs Origin #3 ==

Where's the proof that it's Magnus in MO3, any more than it's proven Dion from the cartoon was Magnus? [For that matter, where's the proof Prime has ever held the Matrix in IDW continuity, since that's taken for granted? He certainly doesn't have it in Escalation, whatever vague glow his Spark might have been giving off in Stormbreaker #1]
:--Dion has an entirely different body design and color scheme from Magnus (or Prime or Orion Pax for that matter). Solid white recolors of any version of Optimus, on the other hand, have been repetitively and exclusively identified as Ultra Magnus on all counts. Magnus IS canonically a White Prime across several continuities; demanding greater proof than that before identifying Magnus would open a can of worms about identifying ANY crowd-shot character solely based on looks or color scheme.--[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 01:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
::If we can't identify a white Prime as Magnus, then we really can't identify most appearances of Transformers in anything. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
:::IMO, If a character is named, they're in. If a character is shown when they're explicitly identified as that character elsewhere '''in the same continuity''', they're in (for instance, Grimlock's shown in closeup in M:O #3 with the same distinctive head design as in the Shockwave Spotlight). If they're a background cameo, they're only in if they're later explicitly identified as that character. (Plus, hell, that's not even confirmed as [pre-]Optimus yet, so it's an ass-u-me-ption resting on an ass-u-me-ption.)
:::The only prior appearances of IDW Magnus are based on his Spotlight design, which doesn't appear to include an "inner robot" - unlike Prime in Escalation #5, the cab part of the truck doesn't fold up (it's just "swallowed"), and the movement of the arms as they form from the trailer in such a way as to prohibit there being an "inner robot" with arms. Granted, that's far later - but it means that it should need be proven, in-canon, that it IS Magnus, given that it was [http://idwpublishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?&p=32233#32233 just something the artist threw in], not that it ISN'T. Grimlock can be proven via the head design. Magnus can't except by saying "it's like this elsewhere." Elsewhere, Galvatron=Megatron...
::::We know what characters look like. If there's an unnamed guy in the background of the [[Autobot Orbital Command Hub]] or crewing [[Ark-27]] who looks like Sureshot, then that's Sureshot. We don't have to wait for confirmation on that, because that would be absolutely nuts. Furthermore, if there's a set of character cameos shown who look like War Within Prime and Orion Pax had a baby, and one of them's blue and red and the other's white, and they're next to Elita One and Alpha Trion, and this is a flashback that takes place before the war, then frankly, the white one is Ultra Magnus. No questions asked. Refusing to acknowledge obvious visual cues until someone specifically identifies them is kinda autistic.
::::If Simon Furman or Eric Holmes decide, at some point, inside of a future comic story, somehow declare that is not Magnus, then we'll have to decide how to proceed. But, frankly, that would make it a continuity error in my book. Dreamwave's material claimed that [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] couldn't triple-change long after he was cameoed, unidentified, and triple-changing in the first War Within series. Well, it's too bad, because that was obviously him. Artists add all sorts of things that aren't in the script that count as canon, like the Optimus Prime statue holding up two golden discs in the third episode of Beast Machines. Despite that not being in the script, that statue got shot down, canonically. (We can also identify it as Optimus Prime without being told so.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Also, see [[Easter egg]] for stuff on how they're treated in this wiki.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 15:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

==Killerpunch==

Where's this bit about Killerpunch thinking Magnus is a Decepticon spy come from? The Ascending/BW profile books? I'm not disputing it, I'm just curious. [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 05:52, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, Killerpunch's profile. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 12:47, 29 August 2009 (EDT)

==Wrecker symbol==

At what point was Magnus ever a Wrecker? [[User:Chip|Chip]] 00:22, 29 August 2009 (EDT)
:Dreamwave. - McFeely, not signed in

==Scientific Literature==

The current link needs an account to see the actual quote. Should we change it to this? http://amnh.academia.edu/JamesMCarpenter/Papers/1522820/On_Homology [[Special:Contributions/75.61.100.140|75.61.100.140]] 19:49, 15 April 2012 (EDT)

Cy-Kill (disambiguation)

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The name '''Cy-Kill''' can refer to several different soon-to-be-dead characters:

{{disamb|y=2008|[[Cy-Kill (GoBots)|Cy-Kill]], the leader of the evil [[Renegade]]s from ''[[GoBots (franchise)|GoBots]]''. His dimension is [[Cataclysm (event)|coming to an end]].}}
{{disamb|y=2002|[[Cy-Kill (G1)|Cy-Kill]], a sometimes gladiator, sometimes spectator, from various [[List of Generation 1 comics|Generation 1 comics]]. He always dies.}}
{{disamb|y=2003|[[Cy-Kill (Armada)|Cy-Kill]], a [[Decepticon]] stationed at [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron's]] base on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. He dies.}}
{{disamb|y=2008|[[Cy-Kill (TransTech)|Cy-Kill]], a [[Transcendent Technomorph]] who guards the [[Transwarp Complex]] in [[Axiom Nexus]]. He dies.}}
{{disamb|y=2010|[[Cy-Kill (Animated)|Cy-Kill]], a Decepticon who's popular at [[Maccadam's Old Oil House]]. He doesn't appear to die.}}

Cy-Kill should not be confused with:
*[[Cycle]], a Cybertronian unit of time that can run out, but can't really die, per se.
*[[Power Cycle]], which your dad probably backed over in the driveway, and that's kind of the same thing as dying...
*[[Cyclis]], a Transcendent Technomorph. She dies.

Cy-Kill ''is'' confused with:
* [http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=old+meme Something that's funny to kill in every story ever.]

{{disambig}}