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Category talk:Vector Sigma Bot Builder video game images

2012-06-29T23:43:16Z

75.73.70.113: New page: Interesting, if you try making those actual combinations it says "not available" but somehow you got screenshots..

Interesting, if you try making those actual combinations it says "not available" but somehow you got screenshots..

Talk:Darth Vader

2011-09-17T23:09:28Z

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Uh... I personally created that .jpg of Attacktix Anakin Skywalker and pre-lava Vader to illustrate the reference to them being the same character in the Attacktix section. If we're not allowed to acknowledge the other toys in the Attacktix line, don't we have to split Vader and Anakin into seperate pages and pretend we don't know they're the same person? --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 00:22, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
: The non-Transformers Attacktix are none of our business. Only the ones that are in versus packs with TF stuff should be mentioned. Otherwise, we're heading down a path, uh, this wiki cannot follow. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:31, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
:: So then, does Anakin Skywalker need to be split off onto his own page with us pretending he's an unrelated character? Because as far as I'm aware, the Anakin and Vader toys that look like exactly the same guy in a line designed to interact with Transformers characters are the only TF-related evidence that they're the same person. --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 00:36, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
:Much kudos to you for that image then. I mean, it's Darth Vader fighting Optimus Prime. Could it get much cooler? [A random intruder]

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Vader is appearing in VW ads now. The same Volkswagen who rejected transformers for being too war-related, and not something they wanted to associate themselves with.. Apparently a lord of evil is alright, though.

Talk:Sentinel Prime (ROTF)

2011-07-05T01:42:47Z

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Do you have a quote of Sentinel being specifically mentioned in the comic? I don't remember anything past the uni scene. While the original thirteen were killed by the Fallen in the comic and novel, there's nothing to confirm Sentinel wasn't a descendant like Optimus. Again, correct me if I'm wrong[[User:Eire]] 20.14 Oct 12 09 (UTC)
:"See, if you break down the elemental components of energon and assume a constant decay rate then extrapolate for each of the fourteen galactic convergences it took '''''Sentinel Prime's''''' expedition to get an echo you end up with a formula for inter-dimensional energy that mass and light alone can't '''''possibly''''' explain." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:28, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
::Erm ok, thanks for the quote Starfield, anyway, Jetfire explained in the adaptations that The Fallen returned to Cybertron, after the battle with the first generation for Earth, slaughtering all the Primes except for the child hidden from him (Optimus). Unless Sentinel is revealed to be alive in TF3, which is unlikely considering this was not mentioned in the final edit of ROTF, then he probably died because of The Fallen. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 17:57, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Starfield, I actually wanted the answer Alientraveller gave. I'm well aware of Sentinel's existence in the movieverse, but I just couldn't remember a reference in issue 3 [[User:Eire]]

::"the fourteen galactic convergences it took '''the''' Sentinel Prime expedition to"
::"The", and no possessive.
::Look, '''I''' think it's the leader of the 7/12/13 too... but the phrasing in the movie itself (which I just checked on, er... Youtube) '''isn't''' clear-cut enough to even say for certain that Sentinel Prime is an individual-- let alone that he's one of the 12! The phrasing is just... ambiguous, and the timeline is a godawful mess thanks to ROTF's 17,000 years retcon, and questions of whether the 13 in the movie are '''the''' 13 or not. (They're not. I mean... the movie fucking cut them down to 7. But until something official comes through to make it certain... it's just a collosal brain-ache that makes logical inference almost impossible.)
::Now... I ''thought'' that something... (a book or video game?) mentioned movieverse Sentinel Prime in a clearer light, but if so... it was around the time we were swamped with new stuff, and the ref never got documented. Does this sound familiar to anyone else?
::I have checked the following sources, and they do '''not''' mention Sentinel Prime in a helpful manner:
::*ROTF novelization (quote same as movie, with an added bit at the end. Nothing from Jetfire's history lesson or the Infinite White.)
::*The Movie Universe guidebook. No mention of Sentinel Prime by name
::-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:59, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
:::The first time I heard Sentinel mentioned was in the movie. And the Sentinel Prime expedition. You'd be forgiven for presuming, and really there's no reason not too, it was named after the Prime in charge. And given the massively different origin of the Primes in the movie compared to the adaptations, it seems again logical that he's simple a predecessor of Optimus, not one of the original Primes. There is some assumptions being made, however they are logical assumptions. IF you're concerned, throw in a note at the bottom. Personally, I think it's a bit of an assumption that Sentinel in the comics is one of the original Primes, but I can see why AT put it the way he did [[User:Eire]] 13.35 Oct 13 09 (UTC)

== Fannon ==

I'm '''really''' uncomfortable witht he ammoutn of assumptions and made-up shit on this page. The cited blog post ''does'' establish Sentinel Prime to be a character-- but it doesn't ''in any way'' say he's Prime and Megatron's father, or that he's one of the original 12. And the storylink citing his death... Sentinel Prime's name isn't even MENTIONED in that issue! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:37, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
:I'm just going to risk my life here and say "Is this Shattered Glass Derik speaking?" --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:51, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

== Move to (DOTM)? ==

Should we move this to "Sentinel Prime (DOTM)"? We moved "Soundwave (Movie)" to [[Soundwave (ROTF)]], ignoring when he was mentioned by Starscream in the UK magazine for the first film. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 15:03, 11 February 2011 (EST)
:An offhand mention in the freaking UK mag letters page is not exactly the same thing as Sentinel's existence being firmly established in the Revenge of the Fallen film. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:18, 11 February 2011 (EST)
::The Lord Of All Cheeses thirds the motion.
::- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 10:25 PM, 15 February 2011 A.D.
:::Thirds what motion? We have one person on each side so far. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 01:42, 16 February 2011 (EST)
::::I'm saying this page ought to be moved. '''Alientraveler''' proposed the idea. '''Detour''' seems to be saying this guy shouldn't be in ROTF (unless I misinterpreted; he seems to say "a mention in a UK comic's letters page doesn't count as Sentinel's existence in ROTF"). '''My vote''' makes a three.
::::- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 9:48 PM, February 2011 A.D.
:::::Detour is pointing out that Sentinel Prime is mentioned in the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' film, which counts as establishing SP's existence, so ROTF is correct. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:59, 17 February 2011 (EST)
::::::http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/Semysane/Response%20Images/748411.gif -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:59, 18 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::Sam mentions Sentinel Prime during his meltdown in the classroom in ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', thus establishing Sentinel Prime exists as a character. As the first mention of Sentinel Prime is in ''Revenge of the Fallen'', his article is as "Sentinel Prime (ROTF)". Clearer? :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:13, 18 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::Oh, I got it. I just never get enough chances to use that image. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:33, 18 February 2011 (EST)

== Sentinel~Vector? ==

Is it my imagination, or does Sentinel Prime bear a striking resemblence to Vector Prime?--[[User:Cydra|Cydra]] 01:48, 13 February 2011 (EST)
:Definitely your imagination. [[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 05:49, 18 February 2011 (EST)
::I see the resemblance mostly in those enormous shoulders. Beyond that, not really much of a resemblance. --[[User:Kaymac192|Kaymac192]] 11:35, 3 March 2011 (EST)
::: Indeed. He more resembles RID Prime. [[Special:Contributions/96.247.85.33|96.247.85.33]] 00:16, 22 March 2011 (EDT)

== Sentinel Prime in Empire magazine. ==

How should we mention [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/375241-sentinel-optimus-uk-empire-cover.html these images?] --[[User:Kaymac192|Kaymac192]] 11:42, 3 March 2011 (EST)

== Caption ==

Live-action Hyper Goldfish? WTF is that?--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 13:51, 6 March 2011 (EST)
:The Japanese version of Optimus Prime (RID) had a voice chip that sounded to some people as if it were saying "Hyper Goldfish Golfball". The Leader class Sentinel Prime looks something like the RID Prime, and is from a live action movie. Thus, Live-action Hyper Goldfish. I would recommend a crosslink in the caption, but some people hate those with an unreasoning passion. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:00, 6 March 2011 (EST)

== Alpha Trion caption ==

How does it not work anymore?--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 13:15, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
:Personally, I don't see why it ever worked in the first place. --[[Special:Contributions/81.164.209.246|81.164.209.246]] 13:24, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
::It never did, no. It was never an Alpha Trion homage redeco. It was just heavily-airbrushed enough to look purpleish. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:25, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
:::I think that was the joke (such as it was) that there's "already" an Alpha Trion redeco due to the purple nature of the image, which, at the time, was the only stock photo of that toy. Anyway, I replaced the photo because the colours were pretty damn wrong. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:35, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== Two different Speed Stars Bumbebee two packs ==

Hey, why are there two slightly different Bumblebee Speed Stars two packs. [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/shop/details.cfm?R=69D4438D-5056-900B-1000-7E6F6EA5EAE9:en_US Item 29596] and [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/shop/details.cfm?R=6EDC5079-5056-900B-10F1-6428DAB7F112:en_US item 29588]? The package art is even slightly different. Both should be listed, right? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:41, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== Three sayings on the Leader toy? ==

Er... there must be something I'm doing wrong, then.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:05, 18 May 2011 (EDT)
:You have to put a MechTach weapon in his shoulder peg hole to hear them.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 16:12, 19 May 2011 (EDT)
::Just tried it out and it's apparently true. Still, I'm pretty sure the article should mention that little feature and how to ''enable'' it... [[Special:Contributions/58.69.69.194|58.69.69.194]] 21:43, 21 May 2011 (EDT)

== Minor design flaw? ==

On mine, it looks like the left heel pieces don't seem to line up correctly, and as such don't snap together right. Is anyone else having this issue? -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 11:07, 23 May 2011 (EDT)

== We need to make this a featured. ==

Any way we could come together and finish his fiction sections and whatnot? I think it's important this page is our featured this coming month, like The Fallen was for the last movie. I'm pretty okay with just promoting it anyway once July starts, even if there's some stuff left out. It just needs a spotlight. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:05, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

== Spoilers on Sentinel. ==

Okay, I haven't seen the movie yet, but I have seen spoilers, and there is one question I have that could seriously spoil for anyone, so be warned: Should we consider Sentinel a Decepticon? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 15:58, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
: No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:01, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
::My memory may be fuzzy, but doesn't he call himself a Decepticon once they take over Chicago? Or does he keep calling himself an Autobot?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 17:13, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
:::Sentinel makes a point of slapping Megatron around when he tries talking like they're all a happy family, so...no.[[User:ShinRa Actual|ShinRa Actual]] 18:05, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
::::I've noticed this news actually spread on this site already (Shockwave's page pretty much blows it). Should we remove instances that we see so not to spoil the film just yet [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 10:11, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

== Caption request ==

When we start adding screenshots from the movie, can one of them use "This is the one where Spock goes crazy."?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 13:14, 1 July 2011 (EDT)
:"Goes nuts." And once the movie's been seen by more people, maybe in a week or two, that quote is TOTALLY going up at the top of the DOTM film article, same place as last movie's "I will have my revenge!" It sums up the movie pretty much the best. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:17, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

== Jerk ==

Could we mention (perhaps in a caption) that as a turncoat, this actully makes him a bigger jerk than his Animated counterpart, which I thought was impossible.[[User:Burnout|Burnout]] 17:39, 2 July 2011 (EDT)
:That joke was tired two years ago.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:08, 4 July 2011 (EDT)

== Back Kibble ==
What exactly are those things? I swear in parts of the movie, they wiggled as if some kind of flexible cape or tank-treads.. what part of the vehicle do they correspond to?

Talk:Fuzor

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Is Magmatron a Fuzor? What's the basis for that? --[[User:Sofaman|Sofaman]] 15:09, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
: The packaging on his US Target-exclusive release said so. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:32, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
::''Following an interplanetary quest for energy capsules, Magmatron returned to Cybertron to find an alarmingly growing population of Vehicon drones. Revered by his followers and reviled by his enemies, Magmatron is known by all as an "emperor of destruction." His determination to succeed is unshakable and he accepts nothing less than total victory. Mitotic spark allows for separation into three aggressive dinosaur modes: Landsaur, Seasaur, Skysaur then recombines into an unstoppable tri-dinosaur Fuzor.''
:From TFU.info. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:32, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

:: That's cool then. --[[User:Sofaman|Sofaman]] 02:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I was just thinking...since Tigerhawk's beast mode is made up of traits from two separate animals, albeit combined through different means than the others on this list, shouldn't he technically be classified as a Fuzor as well? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] 17:18, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

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Uh, Zoids Fuzors was called Zoids Neo-Blox in Japan? That must've been confusing since there was a completely separate line called Neo-Blox that didn't make it to the states.. Or maybe that's just an error.
:Clarification: "Fuzors" was the name given to the result of a blox zoid attaching itself to a blox or non-blox zoid (with as many as two and as few as one exception of two combining zoids with no blox involved). The co-production anime Zoids Fuzors used the term as its title. Neo Blox were a separate line, but several of them combined with each other (never with non-blox zoids, which had almost ceased to exist by this point).

Talk:Wheeljack (Prime)

2011-02-26T19:55:59Z

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REMOVED DUE TO SPOILERS--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 21:52, 25 February 2011 (EST)
::Removing it is too late. The point isn't that there's spoilers on this page, but that they were in your edit comments, which are created automatically when creating this page. Going back and changing your comment doesn't solve the problem -- we can't see that on the recent changes page.
::(That said, coming to the wiki within a few hours of a new episode and expecting to look through the Recent Changes page spoiler-free is not terribly realistic. Yes, I alter my editing habits to avoid spoilers, but that's just out of my own courtesy. I don't think we can realistically police this sort of thing.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:30, 26 February 2011 (EST)
:Oh, hey, a giant spoiler right on the Recent Changes. Yes, it's Wheeljack, just after he comes through the ground bridge from the Decepticon ship and tells the Autobots to shut the bridge off. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:18, 25 February 2011 (EST)

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So I can't be the only one that immediately thought 'Drift' when I saw him, can I?

Talk:Skyquake (Prime)

2011-02-21T02:58:11Z

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Oh dear lord, after going back and forth between Skyquake's page and Acid Storm's page, I noticed how similar they were.
-Darth Shadow
: He's an all-green jet, I guess, but... I really think he just looks like, well, G1 Skyquake, who was a big green jet. (Plus "not X" captions are on the DO NOT DO list these days from overuse.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:31, 7 February 2011 (EST)
::Given the lack of 3 or 4 other horribly clashing colors, I can see where Darth Shadow's coming from. It's still not worth having another "not X" caption, though. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:17, 7 February 2011 (EST)
:::He's clearly some kind of drone or superweapon. -[[User:LV|LV]] 12:35, 8 February 2011 (EST)

== First edit ==

I'm sorry for the shoddy first edit, Detour. I'm still learning the ropes.

== Kibble ==
Nevermind Fowler's jet's, I think the issue of Skyquake's kibble raises the eyebrow further.. To say nothing of not even having a cybertronian altmode.

Talk:Raf Esquivel

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Seeing as Jack is 16, I ''severely'' doubt Raf is 15, though the statement about who-we-wish-we-were still stands.

Agreed, he is also very short.—[[User:TOM|TOM]] 17:02, 27 November 2010 (EST)
:: Episode 3 answers it. He's 12 and a half.. still -extremely- short even for the level of art stylization.

==Title change==
His name is Raf. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 06:13, 29 November 2010 (EST)
:Not according to his [http://www.hubworld.com/transformers/shows/prime/characters/raf official bio]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:20, 29 November 2010 (EST)
::There's also the credits to take into account (and what he's called referred to); he has both, but it probably doesn't matter. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 09:28, 29 November 2010 (EST)
::It is a good point. Article titles are usually the character's most common nickname. Like Sam Witwicky or Jack Darby. Raf's character bio is even titled "Raf" but Jack's is titled "Jackson". - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:37, 29 November 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Raf Esquivel

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Seeing as Jack is 16, I ''severely'' doubt Raf is 15, though the statement about who-we-wish-we-were still stands.

Agreed, he is also very short.—[[User:TOM|TOM]] 17:02, 27 November 2010 (EST)

==Title change==
His name is Raf. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 06:13, 29 November 2010 (EST)
:Not according to his [http://www.hubworld.com/transformers/shows/prime/characters/raf official bio]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:20, 29 November 2010 (EST)
::There's also the credits to take into account (and what he's called referred to); he has both, but it probably doesn't matter. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 09:28, 29 November 2010 (EST)
::It is a good point. Article titles are usually the character's most common nickname. Like Sam Witwicky or Jack Darby. Raf's character bio is even titled "Raf" but Jack's is titled "Jackson". - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:37, 29 November 2010 (EST)
::: Episode 3 answers it. He's 12 and a half.. still -extremely- short even for the level of art stylization.

Talk:Raf Esquivel

2010-11-26T21:58:01Z

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Seeing as Jack is 16, I ''severely'' doubt Raf is 15, though the statement about who-we-wish-we-were still stands.

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he's holding the sword backwards...

Talk:5 mm post

2010-04-17T15:38:47Z

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==Fact checking -- US Gen1==
Welp, this is shaping up to be a pretty massive article. It may need to be divided later on down the track. Right now what it needs is a little bit of fact checking. Anyone with the following toys, can you please check that they do in fact have 5mm pegs/ports:
*<strike>Ramhorn</strike>
*<strike>Slugfest and Overkill</strike>
*Ratbat
*Beastbox and Squawktalk
*Pretender Beasts
*Pretender Vehicles
*The Mega Pretenders
*The Ultra Pretenders
*<strike>Punch/Counterpunch</strike>

Please use the original releases to check as reissues sometimes have distinctly different post sizes or tolerances which would make them invalid as tests -- we'll get to the reissues later as this article develops.
[[User:Jhiaxus|Jhiaxus]] 04:44, 11 February 2010 (EST)

:I can confirm that Punch/Counterpunch uses 5mm pegs. I don't have mine handy, but I know as a kid I used to give his guns to my Targetmasters, etc. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 10:05, 12 February 2010 (EST)
::Just checked my original Ramhorn, and his post holes are slightly larger than 5mm. Specifically, Deluxe Classics Prime's rifle is loose in the hole, Deluxe Animated Battle Begins Prime's axe is tight. For comparison, my Voyager Classics Prime can hold that gun tightly, but must hold the axe by the posts near the head. Weren't all the holes on the cassettes slightly larger? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:11, 12 February 2010 (EST)
::Found weapons (no figures) for Slugfest and Overkill, they fit loosely on Ramhorn. Their designs won't let them fit Voyager Classic Prime's fist, but they fit quite well in the hole that his wind vane/ion blaster attaches to on his back. Guess that makes them 5mm posts. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:23, 12 February 2010 (EST)
:::Yeah, not all 5mm posts are exactly equal.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:00, 12 February 2010 (EST)
::::My Ratbat is the same as my Ramhorn, holes are just slightly larger than most 5mm pegs. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:11, 20 February 2010 (EST)

Just to report Overlord does not have 5MM fists. His fist holes/gun-peg are *much* larger. However he does have a set of holes in his upper arms (not screw holes as far as I can tell) that are 5mm. Checked Slugfest and Overkill too, they can fit PM Primes gun but it's a tad tight. {{unsigned|76.28.76.206|13:54, 12 February 2010 (EST)}}
:I just checked, and [[Skyhammer]]'s shell's fists do indeed have 5mm peg holes. I couldn't find the inner robot or the vehicle to check them, though. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 15:53, 16 February 2010 (EST)
::I actually have his vehicle shell. (Such as it is, stupid GPS.) I'll check it. But thanks for confirmation. The robot's unlikely to have anything more than a post for a weapon in vehicle mode.[[User:Jhiaxus|Jhiaxus]] 21:27, 17 February 2010 (EST)

==Fact Checking Japanese Gen1==
The list up top still has toys that need checking. But there's a tonne in Japanese Gen1 I need proper confirmation on. When I wrote this stuff there was a lot of guessing involved and it needs checking on actual toys (Which I simply don't have access to.) Please reply under the appropriate heading, not under the Japanese fact checking heading as a whole.
[[User:Jhiaxus|Jhiaxus]] 13:35, 13 February 2010 (EST)
===Headmasters===
*Graphy
*Noise
*Dial
*Saur
*Raiden

===Masterforce===
*Metalhawk
*Grand Maximus
*Overlord (thanks for the info above -- I based my entry on it, but it still needs checking)
*Browning

===Victory===
*Star Saber
*Victory Leo
*Galaxy Shuttle
*Liokaiser (I know some of it's right, since I have rescue force... but I'm not positive about Gaihawk, Hellbat or his fists.)
*Black Shadow + Blue Bacchus
*Deathsaurus (I didn't list him because I just had no clue... so if anyone could check him that'd be great.)

==Combining with Peg==
No. I don't think so. This article is enormous already -- and getting bigger all the time. It's dedicated to a specific KIND of peg, not to pegs in general. If we tried to integrate a general pegs article into this one it would bloat beyond all proportion.

What needs to be done is the peg article actually needs to be written properly, and made not a stub.[[User:Jhiaxus|Jhiaxus]] 00:43, 5 March 2010 (EST)
:I posted the notices in an attempt to draw attention to the articles. I could see it going either way but just wanted a more active dialogue.[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:24, 5 March 2010 (EST)

== Zoids Blox ==
ALSO use 5mm pegs.. Found that out the fun way when a gun from my parts bucket fit nicely on them, and it turned out to be Perceptor's gun (never owned Perceptor, no idea where it came from..). ROTF Bludgeon confirmed it in a delightful way.

Talk:Fuzor

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Talk:Scrapmetal (ROTF)

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Does it really need to be "'''Ze''' little one"? As opposed to "Little one" or "Little Constructicon"? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:24, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
:Probably for comic effect since that's all he's been identified as in the film itself, not unlike The Fallen constantly having the "The" preceeding the name, or other such articles. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:26, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

::It has the benefit of leaving no question who the article refers to.
::Also-- I'm not entirely sure about the "looks liek Scrapper, but has a different altmode." The scene in the film is clearly the product of two different 'shoots,' with backgrounds and vehicle positions not matching up, and the long shots showing different vehicles than the close-ups. A lot of the confusion about The Little One's identity comes from that-- there's a truss crane in some of the shots that's simply not there in others. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:22, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Perhaps, but in the shots it's featured in, it has a blatant Decepticon sigil on its side. We see no such thing with the loader. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 03:25, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Our best evidence, if we take everything 100% literally, is that he's a triple-changer and transformed between shots. Or scanned a new altmode between shots. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:54, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

::Wait, how did an allspark fragment revive someone killed by the WHOLE allspark?

Talk:Alice (ROTF)

2009-07-12T18:45:42Z

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== Pretender? ==

Would it be accurate to consider that Alice might be a Pretender? Doesn't seem to transform, just covers herself in a shell.
: She's not a Pretender by our definition. She's more like Optimus Primal - a robot that transforms into an organic primate. There's no shell involved at all. Mind, the powers that be may say she's a Pretender anyhow. Until then, she's just a Transformer who transforms into a human. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:39, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::How exactly did she transform? The "skin" just seemed to fold back, revealing the robot beneath, with no actual shape-changing.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 09:48, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::: I think that, if anything official calls her a 'Pretender', including semi-official things like interviews with people who would know, we could call her one. Otherwise, though, it's just another Sari Sumdac situation. Her conversion from human to robot was different enough than any prior depiction of pretenders (splitting in half or phasing out, like in the Marvel comic, or disappearing in a burst of light or puff of smoke, like in Masterforce) that we'd be taking too big a leap. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 10:10, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::I know it probably doesn't mean much, but in [http://au.movies.ign.com/articles/944/944836p1.html this interview] Orci says "there is a Pretender". -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 10:13, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Well, as far as I'm concerned, that'd be enough. I don't know if that will be the consensus around here. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 10:23, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

The film's producers do seem to intend this to be their take on the pretender concept.

For what it's worth, it looked ''to me'' like she had little 'tiles' of flesh all over her body that folded back. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:25, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:I agree that I think that was their intention. But that makes it a little difficult to define a Pretender in the movieverse. Pretenders typically have a shell ''and'' altmode. All Transformers pretend to be something else. What makes a Camaro different than a human? Is a Pretender simply a Transformer with a biological altmode, or a Transformer with an altmode mimicking any other life-from? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:40, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:If i might add, she is alto like a terminator, in that she's a robot covered in a soft organic "alive" shell to fool humans. The only thing different is that she can "retract" it(somehow, the tip of her tongue does not). would that be worth noting?--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 11:10, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::Also, not every Pretender has an alt mode - see the Dinoforce. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:12, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

:::It's possible Alice ''has'' an altmode beyond her shell, she just didn't transform.
:::I agree that Alice's "integrated shell" is unique among Pretenders... but they ''called'' her a Pretender in interviews. (Which we seriously need a cite for.) I agree she's a ''different type'' of Pretender... but we've had pretenders with pop-open shells, phase-out shells, remote-control shells, disappearing size-reducing shells, animal shells, vehicle shells, combining and transforming shells... this isn't really far out of line for that.
:::It's ''complicated'' by the original Honda/Alive-in-Wonderland plot, but that genuinely seems to have been cut from the theatrical version-- all traces were excused. So we're left with the simple fact-- she can turn into a human-- something ''none'' of the other Transformers are able to mimic, and the producers called her a Pretender in interviews.
:::She's a Pretender. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:25, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Someone who's got the exact wording needs to add a quote to this article of the "I'll pretend to be your girlfriend, you pretend to be my boyfriend" line. That's probably my favorite line from the entire movie, for being such a subtle nod. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:05, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::I'd definitely vote for classing her as a Pretender, albeit a Movieverse variation on the concept. After all, the Japanese-verse Masterforce Petenders didn't really have literal "shells" ''per se'', right? They just sort of magically changed from human to robot in a weird lightshow, didn't they?[[Special:Contributions/114.78.235.104|114.78.235.104]] 09:19, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

I like the way that anonymous poster thinks. Pretenders aren't necessarily the exact same thing in each continuity they appear in, so I would go ahead and say Alice is a Movie-style Pretender.{{unsigned|Fallen13|10:44, June 28, 2009 EDT}}

Going by this rather loose definition of pretender, I think the [[crab spy]] is a pretender. He is mimicking a biological life-form. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:12, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:Save for the fact that one has been stated to be a Pretender by the creators, and one has not.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:21, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::I don't know what a movieverse pretender is then. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:29, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:::At this point, the animatronic angle seems to be the most solid we have. The category is just a formality, like "Triple-Changer." --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:34, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::::And, keep in mind, beast-formers are supposed to be a related technology to pretenders.. so it's not that strange if she has aspects of both.

== Trivia ==
Interesting tidbit of trivia is that in addition to some other effects in the movie, Michael Bay commissioned Digital Domain to work three months on a two second close up of Alice's face transforming. Incidentally, one of the key owners of Digital Domain is...Michael Bay. Way to funnel that budget. [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 20:28, 7 July 2009 (EDT)
http://gizmodo.com/5305809/why-just-2-seconds-of-transformers-2-took-3-months-to-complete

Talk:Jointron

2009-07-04T04:16:12Z

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== True ==

My initial impression is that this article is a parody of the Transformers, rather than a true article. Not ever having heard of the Jointrons, and seeing what I believe to be a bad photoshoped picture, I can't but help but think the Jointrons are not what they are described here. Having no where else to go (why should I google the Jointrons, when the wiki should be the resource for all things Transformers), I have to conclude that the sub-group is beneath serious mention. --[[User:Revanche1|Revanche]] 11:38, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
:Sadly, there is little to no actual parody in this article. The Jointrons exist, and they are indeed extremely bad Mexican stero-types. They even play in a mariache band. Dammit Japan. --[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 11:50, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
::UndeadScottsman is correct. The Jointron brothers were indeed crazy inappropriate Mexican stereotypes. [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=16322 "The Jointron Brothers are off in a forest performing a conga line...] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:33, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, just to note, that photo is not a fan-photoshop. That is an actual advertisement I got from bigbot.com. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 16:35, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
:I weep for the future...okay, I'm over it. Thanks for the clarification, guys. --[[User:Revanche1|Revanche]] 00:37, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

::Waitwaitwait, not trying to start a 'gument here, but how are mariachis racist? I mean, that's traditional Mexican music. It's not as if theyre lazy and drunk and always taking jobs from the other transformers...

Talk:Ruination (RID)

2009-06-04T04:19:11Z

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The explanation for this misspelled addition BETTER be REALLY damn good. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:49, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

What they hell does Valdigus mean? is it the correct translation, yadda yadda yadda
[[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 00:06, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

If we made up a page for every fucking stupid, meaninlgess name Takara slapped on a toy, this wiki'd be twice as big. And there's no fucking "controversy". This is pointless. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:07, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Nevermore said..."Well, THAT is a big stretch.

"G1 Bruticus was ブルーティカス ("Burûtikasu").
The Car Robots toy is バルディガス ("Barudigasu"). Unless the person in charge of Takara's naming department at that time was severely dyslexic, that's not supposed to be the same name.
The most interesting theory I've heard was that it's a pun on both "Bruticus" and "Battle Gaia" (バトルガイアー - "Batorugaiâ")."
Same general tone/rhythm as "Bruticus", but with the syllables of "Battle Gaia"?
See:
ブ ("bu") as in ブルーティカス ("Burûtikasu") becomes バ ("ba") as in バトルガイア("Batorugaiâ").
ル ("ru") remains the same, but loses the vowel extender bar (ー), thereby changing the first two syllables from "burû" with emphasis on the second syllable (which allows for the first syllable to be slurred and thus giving way to "bru") into "baru" with emphasis on the first syllable (which allows for the second syllable to be slurred and thus giving way to "bar"/"bal"/"var"/"val").
ティ ("ti") as in ブルーティカス ("Burûtikasu") becomes ディ ("di").
カ ("ka") as in as in ブルーティカス ("Burûtikasu") becomes ガ ("ga") as in バトルガイア("Batorugaiâ").
ス ("su") remains the same.
It's just a theory, mind you, although I for one prefer it over "dyslexic in charge of Takara's naming department"."

[[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 00:09, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for providing absolutely nothing to convince me this is worth including. Again, there's no "controversy", and there's a ton of bizarrely-named Japanese characters. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:33, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

:If a Zelda fan may clear something up, I've discovered that Japanese only recently ''invented'' kana starting with V. Volvagia was "BARUBAJIA" in Zelda II but "VALUVAJIA" by Zelda 5. (Also interesting in that it means they pronounce volcano the same way we do, instead of like 'vole', but that's another story) That's basically the same time jump as original TF to CarRobots.

I like the Japanese characters. Those should be on the main page avter Valdigus, it makes us look all respectable. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:21, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
:I hate to agree with Derik, but I kinda do here. The actual ...i dunno, is that kanji? for character names is a nice touch. Looks good. While I'm on it, we have some Chinese character names too, don't we? I remember that Optimus Prime is something like "The Great Warrior of the Heavens" or some shit, right? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 04:59, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

::...hate to agree with Derik? ::sniff:: Ah well, I know how it is. For my part, I hate to disagree with Siph, but, you know, '' I must follow my way of the ninja.'' -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:08, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Three things: 1. Are 'Urban Camo' and 'Desert Camo' official terms? 2. The Japanese Components were also sold individually. 3. I thought the source of his power was Coffee Milk, not coffee beans themselves.[[User:Iron Moose|Iron Moose]] 04:29, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

:::Oh, I just took a stroll and found the discussion about the name.:) Well, Optimus Prime's name in China is reeelly much more horrible thing than "The Great Warrior of the Heavens", they call him "The Great Pillar Towering into Sky". ''What the Hell...'' --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 05:02, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Coffee beans are what makes Ruination Awaken.

::Somebody explain this Coffee thing to me and where it comes from, then put it in the damn article so I don't think it's an inexplicable joke and scrub it which I almost just did.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 09:20, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
:::His Car Robots bio says he loves coffee milk. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

==Move==
Derik, is there another Ruination? I don't spy anything else on the wiki. Why was this moved? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:01, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
:[[Ruination (ROTF)]] from [[The Veiled Threat]] - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:31, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
:: Maybe something about that other one should have been mentioned, then, instead of just moving the page with no explanation and no follow-up action... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:21, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
:::sorry- I thought I'd stuck a disambig on top. My bad. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:54, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Ratchet (Animated)

2009-05-30T22:51:23Z

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==His arm==

Ratchet still has his wound after Thrill of The Nut. You see it when he's treating Prime, in Nanosec and in Sound And Fury

Why is it assumed that the hole in ratchet's arm is a wound? I may merely be a socket for the EMP that remains uncovered when the EMP is not in use. [[Special:Contributions/76.252.54.91|76.252.54.91]] 23:07, 7 May 2009 (EDT)

I can't wait to use the "now with fighting paunch" quote from Frisky Dingo whenever I talk about Ratchet--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 18:54, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

== "Is Ratchet (Animated) the same as Ratchet (G1)?" Discussion ==

Just to give this discussion someplace to live . . .

Given that A) Ratchet fought in the last Great War, millions of years ago, and B) the last Great War is depicted using G1 footage, a tempting [[fanon]] conclusion might be that Animated is in fact a sequel to G1, set millions of years later, and that most of the characters are new characters with the same name (like Megatron (G1) and Megatron(BW)), except for Ratchet (Animated), who is in fact the same character as Ratchet (G1).

Except that G1 was set in 1984, and Animated is ''not'' set in 1984-plus-millions-of-years. It's set around 2008. Ergo, while the last Great War that Ratchet fought in might have ''strongly resembled'' G1 in many ways, it couldn't have involved 1984 Earth, and so is radically different from G1 in that respect, at least. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:56, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
:The footage also claims that the Great War was all about fighting over the Allspark, which the G1 cartoon clearly wasn't. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:04, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

:All the G1 footage was specifically from flashback episodes millions of years ago (MTMTE and War Dawn). So while one could argue that G1 and Animated share an ancient past, they do not share a "modern" (1980s) history. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 17:09, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

== Bio ==

Why was his complete bio deleted? --[[User:Hepathos|Hepathos]] 07:39, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

== loud music link? ==

How about the "loud music" remark in his first caption link to [[Blaster (G1)]] or [[Soundwave (Animated)]] [[User:BUMBLEBEE|The 'Bee :)]] 16:04, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

== Human characteristics and that energon gut ==

Just curious: Why does Ratchet have a paunch after the Great War? Does it keep more tools, is it a change of vehicular mode, or is it a lack of maintenance on his part? And the stubbly chin? --[[User:akindofdrifter|akindofdrifter]]

==Similarity to G1 Ironhide==
I would just stick this in the page, but I'm too new. Anyway, this version of Ratchet seems to have absorbed some characteristics of [[Ironhide (G1)]] - specifically, his manner of speaking, old-timerness, and occasional grouchiness. Since the G1 versions of [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] and [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] were both [[redeco]]s of the same [[Diaclone]] toy, I'd say this is an interesting bit of trivia.[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 19:44, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

== Wrist joints ==

So... say fellas.. where are his wrist joints? Is he wearing welding gloves or something? Are his arms made of the same flexible material most cybertronians have only on their faces?
:Scrap that. On closer inspection, a lot of the Animated characters have no joints in areas where they're articulated. Jazz's thighs, Sentinel Prime's ankles... and everyone's fingers.. *facepalm* so.. nevermind.