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Talk:Tripredacus Council

2010-04-21T20:37:28Z

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Y'know, you didn't *have* to change the General Whatsisface links. I already set up redirects for them. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:48, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
: *shrug* To me, it just seems kind of sloppy for a page to be linking to a redirect. Especially when the redirect doesn't go anywhere yet, so when you click the link you SEE the redirect. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 09:49, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
:: Yeah, I assumed that it was general good form not to link to redirects. Sure, it doesn't do any particular HARM to link to a redirect, especially since it's unlikely that any given redirect will someday cease to exist, but saving people's computers that little bit of processing time seems like a good courtesy to adopt. Plus I suppose there IS still a miniscule danger that the redirect will eventually be deleted or altered. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]]
Its quite obvious that even though it may not have been intended it makes more sense in retrospect for the Tripredacus council not to have their toy forms having not yet visited earth and aquired the forms the toy uses. I always figured that was the plan all along until I read later it was just that they didn't have the resources to make the character models.--[[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 01:27, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Should the Predacon Galvatron be added to the list of Tripredacus agents? I seem to recall Hydra posting fiction that said he was a top agent of theirs.

==Combinatorics==
Could someone make a more explicit link between this Tripredacus council and combiner teams? Is it that they are thought to be parts of a team or are there others they meld with to form a larger robot?[[User:ChoHIlqoq|ChoHIlqoq]] 06:38, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

==Evidence==
Even though this isn't confirmed by existing canon, in [[The Agenda (Part 1)]] Ram Horn mentions and I quote "Generals, ever since the Autobots defeated our '''Decepticon''' ancestors, we Predacons have worked secretly towards the day were we might rise up and take what is rightfully ours". I think this shows evidence that links them to the Cybertronian Empire, meaning that the ancestors of the group must have infiltrated the Decepticon ranks, and from [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]] I've got an idea [[Shockwave (G1)|who may have been responsible]]. [[Special:Contributions/76.179.128.231|76.179.128.231]] 17:51, 20 April 2010 (EDT)
:You can't just cross-pollinate Marvel and Sunbow continuity like that.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:14, 20 April 2010 (EDT)
Don't get your panties in a knot, I'm just speculating based on the evidence given. I don't expect my theory to be canon, I just figured that he was responsible because of the fact that he was affiliated with Jhiaxus (whom we know is from the Cybertronian Empire) and that he wasn't aboard the Nemesis, therefore either they snuck under his radar during the Great Shutdown '''or''' he was from the same faction and purposely let them infiltrate the planet. [[Special:Contributions/76.179.128.231|76.179.128.231]] 16:21, 21 April 2010 (EDT)
:Now you're just being ludicrous, the Great Shutdown is a Dreamwave Comics-event, which happened many years after Beast Wars ended its run. Straws, man... stop grasping at em. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:26, 21 April 2010 (EDT)
Beast Wars? I thought it was during the interim when the factions were in stasis lock on Earth? [[Special:Contributions/76.179.128.231|76.179.128.231]] 16:37, 21 April 2010 (EDT)

Cybertronian (faction)

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{{disambig3|Cybertronian}}
{{disambig2|the empire built up by the Second Generation Decepticons|the term in Generation 1 cartoon|Decepticon Empire}}
:''The Cybertronians are a faction from the [[Generation 2]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]]. They're sometimes referred to as '''Second Generation Decepticons''' or some variation thereon.''

[[Image:Cybertronian.png|right|180px|thumb|The emblem of the Cybertronian Empire. They're not Decepticons, honest.]]
The '''Cybertronians''' were a result of [[Decepticon]] rediscovery of [[Reproduction|Bio-Morphic Reproduction]] ("budding") ~4 million years ago on Cybertron. The Decepticons were able to rapidly expand their population using this method.

These new Decepticons left Cybertron in the hands of [[Straxus (G1)|petty warlords unfit for the future empire]] and took to the stars to conquer other worlds.

In the modern era, the '''Cybertronian Empire''' has adopted an aggressively expansionist stance. They claim to have advanced their society beyond the need for war, but hold little regard for non-Cybertronian lifeforms. Under the cause of improving the quality of life for their citizens, they have conquered many worlds, enslaving or exterminating the native population and [[cyberforming]] the planets to create "little Cybertrons."

This was apparently under the direction of the Decepticon progenitor known as the [[Liege Maximo]], who rules them from the planet-spanning structure known as the [[Hub]], which harnesses the networked power of the cyberformed planets. The construction of this network was later revealed to be part of a gambit by the Liege Maximo to ascend to the plane of the [[Lords of Chaos|Dark Gods]].

==Physiology==
The new Transformers created by budding felt little or no emotional attachment to Cybertron. In fact, they felt little at all. [[Primus]]' plan had shut down reproduction via budding at the intended point and the more these new Decepticons reproduced after that the more thinly his life force was stretched between them, the more they "watered down the line" to use Megatron's phrasing, leading them to be "born" less and less emotional and more and more robotic in nature.

They have a tendency towards a uniform color scheme of light green and silver. Many of the smaller troops must combine in pairs to form one alternate mode (this may possibly be a symptom of their degenerating "genetic" line).

==Decepticon or Cybertronian?==
Many citizens of the Cybertronian Empire have long since forgotten the terms "Autobot" and "Decepticon" in the millennia since leaving their birthworld. However their forebears are remembered bitterly by individuals such as [[Liege Centuro]] [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]]. By his reckoning the Empire are the "true" Decepticons, having achieved the inborn Decepticon imperative of galactic conquest. He judges the Decepticons and Autobots they left behind as "evolutionary throwbacks." However, given Jhiaxus' former barbarism, he might be projecting his own issues onto his forebears.

==IDW comics continuity==
A parallel to the birth of the Cybertronian Empire is present within the [[IDW Publishing|IDW]] comics. In this continuity, [[Nova Prime]] convinced the populace to charter the [[Ark (G1)|''Ark'' spacecraft]] under a mission of exploration. However, Prime was secretly a Cybertronian supremacist, and with his chief strategist Jhiaxus, his intention was to make the mission one of conquest and colonization much like the Generation 2 Cybertronians. However, this glorious manifest destiny was cut short after the ''Ark'' disappeared into the [[Benzuli Expanse]] and emerged in the [[Dead Universe]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Galvatron}}

Though trapped within another dimension with only limited means of egress, Jhiaxus nonetheless continued upon Nova Prime's plan on a much greater scale. In preparation for the cosmic [[Expansion]], the Cybertronian scientist began guiding the technological evolution of planets towards the ideal of his leader. As a result, [[Gorlam Prime]] was pushed along a path to mechanical lifeforms and an overall landscape analogous to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Hardhead}}

==Trivia==
*The Cybertronian faction-symbol was also adopted by [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon's]] Decepticon forces during their period of exile from Cybertron while operating outside of the Milky Way. It's possible the symbol has a common cultural meaning that would cause two disconnected groups of Decepticons expatriates to gravitate towards it. (However, in a real world sense, it's likely that the Generation 2 faction symbols were mandated by Hasbro as no current toys used the original Decepticon symbol.)

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God

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A '''god''' is a being with unexplainable power, or something. There's a bunch of guys who've been considered gods, and some more guys who've tried to amass enough power to join their ranks.
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==Alleged gods==
*[[Primus]]
*[[Unicron]]
*[[The One]]
*[[Ruler of Time and Space]]
*[[Chronarchitect]]
*[[Thor]]

==Attempted gods==
* [[Liege Maximo]]
* [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]

==Possible gods==
* [[Xal]]
* [[Devil Z]]
* [[Violen Jiger]]

==Notes==
*Some creatures, such as [[Fandom|some humans]], worship the [[Transformer]]s as gods.
**[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] proclaimed that the [[Titan (species)|people]] of [[Titan (moon)|Titan]] "worship Transformers" in "[[The God Gambit]]".
**People in [[Republic of Karin]] worshiped [[Metalhawk]], an Autobot [[Pretender]], as a god in "[[Gods? Devils? The Pretenders]]".

* The English word "god" is commonly used in Japanese to evoke great power in describing mecha, and typically is not meant in a religious sense. Thus, [[Ginrai|God Ginrai]], [[Godbomber]], the [[Godmaster]]s, and [[God Neptune]] should not be confused with actual "gods".

==See also==
* [[Religion]]

==External link==
* [[Wikipedia:God|God at Wikipedia]]

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The One

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[[Image:SentientCore.jpg|right|thumb|400px|So it's ''your'' fault! You know, for Carrot Top.]]

'''The One''' is an extradimensional entity from before time, in whom Order and Chaos exist in perfect harmony. It created [[Unicron]] (boo!), then cut him in half to make [[Primus]] (yay!). The [[Vok]] claim to be guardians of The One and followers of its will, meaning it possibly exists in [[Nexus Zero]]. They also seem to think that either it created the multiverse, or it ''is'' the multiverse. Details are fuzzy.

==Fiction==
===Marvel comics===
After the [[Big Bang]], the sentient core of the universe noticed that Unicron was eating everything, and so it birthed Primus to destroy him. {{storylink|The Void! (US)|The Void!}} It promised that Primus could return to his reserved place within the [[Omniversal Matrix]] once he was victorious. {{storylink|Primal Scream}}

{{note|This "sentient core" wasn't called The One, and it didn't seem to create Primus ''from'' Unicron, but, well, [[multiversal singularity|multiversal singularities]] and all that.}}

===3H comics===
The Vok were the first known source of information about The One, whom they tended to describe in relation to themselves, or vice-versa. {{note|Capitalization of Vok quotes is at editor's discretion; their lines were printed in all caps.}}

{{quote|We are the Vok. Guardians of The One. Defenders of the ultimate — of that which must be. [...] For The One is power ultimate, and there are those who would divert its creation to their own ends. These enemies must be detected and destroyed — wherever and whenever they appear.}}

The enemy in question at the time seemed to be the resurrected [[Tarantulas]], who in fact had captured the power of [[wikipedia:Tuvok|two Vok]] and was preparing to wreak havoc upon prehistoric, post-[[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]] [[Earth]]. The Vok sought to protect "the sleepers," by whom they meant the stasis-locked [[Autobot|Autobots]] and [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] aboard the [[Ark (G1)|''Ark'']]. They believed this to be "the will of The One". {{storylink|Primeval Dawn Part 1}}

Later, they explained themselves again to their creation, [[Primal Prime]]:

{{quote|We are the Vok, the guardians of The One. We are of the source, the core, forever committed to safeguard the plan. [...] We saw the entirety of the creator's vision. The One... and The All. A unity of worlds, timelines, and dimensions. A multiversal confluence, harmonized and organized. In perfect synchronicity.}}

That time, they seemed to be referring to The One as not the creator, but the creation. Notably, they never referred to Primus by name (nor Unicron, for that matter), though they did fear "the enemy of all creation," to whom Tarantulas was attempting to deliver the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. {{storylink|Primeval Dawn Part 3}} As Tarantulas would later be seen inside Unicron during the [[Universe war]], Unicron is likely that enemy. {{storylink|Escape (issue)|Escape}} This raises the question of how Primus fit into their cosmology, and in fact whether ''he'' was what they meant by the creator-One. Answers remain unclear.

===DK ''Ultimate Guide''===
[[Image:Theone.png|right|300px|thumb|Yes, you read that right.]]
The One existed before time itself, witness to the birth of the universe. The One was curious about this new realm and created a new being, Unicron, to explore it. For some reason, The One then split its creation in two, one half still being Unicron while the other became Primus. In keeping with their creator's nature as a perfect balance of Order and Chaos, the twin "exploratory heralds" became the embodiments of those two principles, but separated. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}}

===''Timelines: Wings of Honor''===
When [[Landshark]]'s boring mission aboard the ''[[Eight Track]]'' was cut short due to complications at home, he quietly thanked The One. {{storylink|Wings of Honor}}
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==Notes==
* The [[Armada (cartoon)|''Armada'' cartoon]], which came out between the [[3H Productions|3H]] comics and the ''Ultimate Guide'', provided an interesting parallel in its creation story. Narration in [[First Encounter|the series premiere]] declared, "Light years ago {{sic}}, deep in the cosmos, a [[unique digital entity]] came into being. In search of other life forms, it sent explorers out to the furthest reaches of the galaxy. These digital, mechanical beings became known as Transformers." This was expanded upon in [[Transformers Armada: The Battle Begins|the novelization]], which said that the Transformers' pre-war goal was to explore the universe, downloading their discoveries into [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] so the planet could grow in knowledge. Assuming the "digital entity" was Primus, he seems to be imitating his creator's own method of vicarious exploration.

* The One's method of creating Primus from the substance of Unicron mirrors Primus's creation of the Transformers, whose [[spark]]s are fragments of his own being, as stated in "[[Abduction]]". This process was explored in slightly more detail in [[Simon Furman]]'s apocryphal text story "[[Alignment]]".

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Jesus

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:''Jesus is the last resort of the desperate from the [[Movie (franchise)|live-action Movie continuity]].''

[[Image:SeasonsInFlight-jebus.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Hey, Jesus, [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] likes listening to [[Madonna|your mom.]]]]

'''Jesus''' is presumably a [[human]], but no facts are directly known about him or her, only other people's claims. For example, [[Sam Witwicky]] and his teacher both agree that, if Jesus were in the teacher's shoes, he would give the boy a dishonestly inflated grade to trick [[Ron Witwicky|Sam's father]] into buying Sam a car. Another is that he/she is the child of a being known only as "[[The One|God]]".

==Fiction==
===Live-action ''Transformers'' movies===
====''Transformers'' (2007)====
Sam Witwicky's dad had promised him that if he kept his grades up, he would give him a car at the end of the school year. But on the verge of summer, Sam's grades were perilously low, and his only chance lay in a final presentation. This went disastrously, and the teacher was prepared to grade him harshly, but Sam explained his situation and begged for leniency. The teacher appeared unconvinced until Sam's final plea: "What would Jesus do?"

Sam was soon seen jubilantly headed for a [[Bolivia's Finest Quality Used Cars and Petting Zoo|car dealership]] with his father. {{storylink|Transformers (2007)|Transformers}}

====''Revenge of the Fallen'' novel====
According to [[Leo Spitz]], Jesus was alive during the time [[Rome]] held influence in the world. He was also a notable religious figure, comparable to Mohamed or Buddha. He gave a lecture called the Sermon on the Mount, and Leo speculates that if the [[Internet]] had existed at the time, history would have proceeded much differently if it had gone viral. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (novel)}}

===Generation 1===
====IDW comics continuity====
During [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]]'s stranding on Earth, he investigated human culture. One of the things he saw over the eighteen months in hiding was a famous painting that depicted Jesus as a child. {{storylink|Seasons in Flight}}

==Notes==
*In the ''[[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]]'' [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)#Marvel UK|Marvel UK comic]] issue "[[Stargazing]]", [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] claims that [[Christmas]] is a celebration of the birth of someone called "Christ". Some suggest that Christ and Jesus are one and the same—a [[God|deity]], in fact—but there is no [[canon]] evidence for this.

*Another persistent rumor is that Jesus once died and [[Zombie|came back to life]]. Given this (and the fact that he has only been referred to in dialogue, never established in person), he may simply be a metaphor for [[The many deaths of Optimus Prime|Optimus Prime]].

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Talk:Tripredacus Council

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Talk:Tripredacus Council

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Tripredacus Council

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{{factions|predacon}}
:''The Tripredacus Council is a group of [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] from the [[Beast Wars (franchise)|Beast Wars]] portion of the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:TripredacusCouncil1.jpg|right|250px|thumb|"So then it is agreed: half pepperoni, half green peppers."]]
The '''Tripredacus Council''' is one of the many ruling bodies of the fractured [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] [[Predacon Alliance|Alliance]]. They meet in secret in undisclosed locations, and plot the return of the Predacons to glory, though under their terms. They choose to wait and grow strong before attacking, but many Predacons are impatient. This has led to some rogue behavior among the Predacon ranks.

One of their agents, [[Tarantulas]] of the Predacon Secret Police, suggests that, like himself and unlike the rest of the Predacons, the Tripredacus Council are not descended from the [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] trapped on [[Earth]]. Instead, they may have extradimensional origins, be linked to the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian Empire]], or may be, in fact, creations of [[Unicron]] himself...

The three members of the Tripredacus Council are:

*[[Ram Horn|General Ram Horn]]
*[[Sea Clamp|General Sea Clamp]]
*[[Cicadacon|General Cicadacon]]

They can combine to form [[Tripredacus]].

Their known affiliates and agents include:

*[[Flamewar]]
*[[Magmatron]]
*[[Onyx Primal]]
*[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]]
*[[Tarantulas]]

:''Japanese name:'' '''Trypticon Council'''

==Fiction==
===Descent into Evil===
{{storylink|Descent into Evil}}

===Dawn of Future's Past===
They killed [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]] to seize control of the Predacons from him! Boo hiss! (Why they surrendered when the Predacons were doing well is not said) <ref>Timelines Razorclaw's bio card</ref>

{{storylink|Dawn of Future's Past}}

===''Beast Wars'' cartoon===
The [[transwarp wavefront]] caused by the destruction of the [[Planet Buster]] eventually reached Cybertronian space in the [[Beast Era]], hitting [[Predacon Command Outpost One]], causing a severe power outage. The council apparently convened on the station immediately afterward, where they noted that the transwarp wave's signature matched that of the ''[[Darksyde]]'', thus meaning that Megatron still functioned, and was still carrying out his secret agenda. In order to prevent the Maximals from discovering this, they detonate a satellite somewhere near Cybertron, dispersing the wave before it reaches the planet. They then dispatched Covert Agent [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] in a prototype [[transwarp cruiser]] to track the wave to its point of origin and terminate Megatron "with extreme prejudice". {{storylink|The Agenda (Part 1)}}

It turns out the Council actually ''wanted'' their agent Tarantulas in Earth's prehistory, as they had a plan to have the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] and its inhabitants destroyed. As they did not have Autobot or Decepticon origins, the Council would be spared the resulting [[timestorm]] and would take control of an altered Cybertron. Their own goal was galactic conquest. Of course. {{storylink|Other Victories}}

====IDW ''Beast Wars'' comics====
[[Image:Tripredacuscouncilidw.jpg|right|250px|thumb|They watch lots of TV.]]
The council orders [[Magmatron]] to ensure that the [[Maximal|Maximals]] did not have knowledge of the transwarp wave. {{storylink|The Gathering issue 1}} They believe that the Predacons must wait for the appropriate moment to strike. Many Predacons, however, tire of this strategy. A short time later, after the failure of their first agent, [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]], the council sends Magmatron to capture [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|The Gathering issue 2}}

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==Notes==
*The names of the Tripredacus Council members are taken from "[[The Agenda (Part 1)]]"'s original script.{{fact}}
*The group's name is similar to (and possibly based off of) the real-world [[Wikipedia:Trilateral Commission|Trilateral Commission]], itself blamed for plotting a [[Wikipedia:New World Order (conspiracy theory)|New World Order]] by conspiracy theorists.

==References==
{{Reflist}}

[[Category:Beast Wars]]
[[Category:Combiner teams]]
[[Category:Politicians]]
[[Category:Predacon leaders]]
[[Category:Predacon subgroups]]
[[Category:Timelines]]
[[Category:Transformer governments]]