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Talk:Gold Plastic Syndrome

2012-04-15T21:27:58Z

76.226.102.10: /* Ultimate movieverse Optimus */

About TM megs, I think the plastic used has some form of GPScombined with problems with stress. From what I've found, the ''Beast Wars Metals'' Metals Megatron does not have the problems Hasbro's TM megatron has, nor does ''Armada'' Predacon. That, and the post common breaking points on toys with GPS are stressed areas like joints, pegs, and fist holes. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:47, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I've been talking with Kyde, and he says that ABS plastic is the kind that GPS affects. (Versus PVC or nylon). I'll bug 'im to research it a bit more. You know, find out what causes the "swirlies." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:24, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

:Might not be the right answer, but my hypothesis is that the fillers and paint added to the plastic don't mix entirely right, like oil and water, and over time either chemically seperate or oxidize, leaving behind a messy gold powder and broken childhood memories. [[User:70.161.57.72|70.161.57.72]] 03:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Having talked with a few people who have snapped Megatrons, the breaks on that toy all sound very clean to me, and sound liek a "Gradual pressure" situation. As such, I can only conclude that the original TM Megatrons simply had the wrong kind of plastic for that joint, one that would not stand up to the constant pressure applied in transformation, not "bad" plastic. And as the article notes, GPS breaks are anything but clean... I've got a few toys that suffer from it... virtually all of them were like-new (being either purchased in sealed bubbles or were obvious display pieces), and they CRUMBLED near-instantly. There was no give, no pressure, just *turn * *CRUNCH* *flinders*. I'll be taking pictures of my GPS-affected Roadblock to illustrate. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:49, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

:Will one of those pictures be used to illustrate this article? (I suppose for aesteric purposes, it should be a picture of Electro...)-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:26, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

::No, I thought I'd just let it sit on my hard drive and I'd never show anyone. What the fuck do you THINK I even brought it UP for? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 09:58, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

:::Hey, I take notes and snap all sorts of TF related stuff and just have it sit on my hard drive. Mostly out of laziness for actualyl doing anythign with it. The Wiki is funt hat way- it's so much less WORK to put it up someplace... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:00, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

RE: Joes: I clearly remember seeing posts in the Joe fandom, I forget where, though, that Serpentor suffered from GPS, and that one guy had Serpentor's entire thigh assembly collapse into dust and shards. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 23:16, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

== Skyquake ==

Does anyone know if the Predator Skyquake (aside from the missile launcher) suffers from GPS? I've been wanting to get all of the Predators and Turbomasters, but since I like to play with my TFs, I don't want to spend a lot of money on one who will crumble apart when I pick it up. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

:Skyquake isn't actually gold. That deeper bronzey color plastic is not at all known for disintegrating, although Skyquake IS notable for breaking off Predator gun handles because of his giant deep fists and overall mass going up against the same tiny pegs his little friends have.

(It is HILARIOUS that Siph hasn't actually uploaded those pictures of Roadblock ten months later.) -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
: Thanks. Do you know if the Predator launchers get GPS? The launcher from my Stalker broke at the trigger, but I'm not sure if it was GPS or just because it was old hard plastic that really should have had a hinge to push the trigger. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:17, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

::"That deeper bronzey color plastic is not at all known for disintegrating" - I appreciate it was said two years ago, but *what*? Skyquake's supersight contraption breaks ludicrously easily, without warning or stress marks.--[[User:PTX-015R|PTX-015R]] 11:34, 13 May 2009 (EDT)

== Couple'a questions... ==

With the new Movie figures coming out, I've noticed Starscream has the characteristic streaks of color that are evident in toys that suffer from GPS. So what I'm wondering is a) do the swirls only appear in the ABS grade plastics, or so they appear in PVC as well? and b) What is the general life-span of a toy that suffers this lamentable condition? [[User:Dracokanji|Dracokanji]] 12:51, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I forgot to mention in the above post that I noticed Energon Starscream's transparent green wings seem to suffer from GPS. I myself rarely used the hinge on the wings used for the missile launchers (considering I LOST one of the missiles... ) but one day I noticed a break in the plastic around where the pin that holds it in place was situated. It didn't look like a stress fracture, but more like plastic rot. If anyone else has noticed this, maybe it should be added to the main article.

:There's already been one reported case of a Protoform Starscream suffering from a GPS-like disintegration, but that user added extra paint details using some kind of paint markers, which may have accelerated or enhanced the process. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 17:47, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah. Enamel paints can have odd chemical effects on certain TF plastics. I painted an old Tracks black about a decade back, and the paint made the blue car-panel parts all gummy. I'm disinclined to think Protoscream will have issues unless you start adding chemicals into his mix. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:42, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

::I forgot to mention one last thing. Is there any way to prevent the plastic from deteriorating? I don't do custom painting, so that won't be a problem. What I am worried about is if oxidation has something to do with it, and how long older figures (g1, beast wars, etc.) lasted before turning to powder. [[User:Dracokanji|Dracokanji]] 01:32, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

==Thunder Clash==
Okay, I see Thunder Clash got pulled off the list, but I'm going to dispute that one. Mine in particular, which I keep in the box 95% of the time, cleanly (no whiteness) snapped off both ratchet tabs within the feet a couple years back. A year after the right fist split cleanly on the inside (also without whiteness). I'm terrified to touch the handgun. This sure as hell sounds like GPS to me, don't you think?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:06, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

:Yeah, TC is a textbook example of GPS. That's the whole reason why his gun is impossible to find. I don't remember anyone's lasting more than a few months "back in the day". The missile launcher bays are also known to just fall apart, as well as the tabs inside his feet.. --[[User:PTX-015R|PTX-015R]] 11:34, 13 May 2009 (EDT)

== Seibertron's Slingshot gallery ==

Seibertron's G2 Slingshot gallery has come pics of a very broken one. We might want to use one of those for the main pic. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:22, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

== Variants==
Can a similar form of GPS happen to Alternators? My Rarley played with Hound Alternator is showing MAJOR signs of stress all over, especially on the shiny green areas. He is one of my favorite figures, I really don't want him to break :([[User:AutobotFreak643|AutobotFreak643]] 19:09, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
:GPS breaks don't show stress marks.--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 20:05, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
::Worth noting though that it's only called "Gold Plastic Syndrome" because that's the most common plastic to show the classic symptoms. It's really a problem with ''any'' swirly/metallic plastic.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:10, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
:::That's something else - other shiny/metallic plastic is more prone to *breaking* due to stress, yes. Looking at you, TM Megatron, but it's not the sort of "randomly crumble into flinders/dust out of nowhere" behavior that GPS specifically refers to. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 19:25, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
::::Right. GPS is CRUMBLING like dried-out clay, not snapping. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:35, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

== UT Optimus Prime ==

You haven't really specified ''which'' UT Optimus Prime has GPS. You say "Leader Class," but there isn't a toy from that entire franchise family that has metallic plastic for its fists. Can you be more specific?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:51, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
:Of course, the simple answer is that none of them have GPS, unless the K-Mart super base version's cab starts exploding.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 13:55, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::Armada leader prime,his arms suffer from GPS. Who keeps removing the info about protoform starscream? [[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 22:22, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Armada leader prime had no gold plastic on him, just gold paint applications.. Even the K-Mart super base version didn't have any on the ''arms''. As for Starscream, the only confirmed cases of him showing symptoms are on custom figures who have been repainted.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:33, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
::::His cab's arms crumbled on mine for no reason. :-(. [[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 22:36, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Superbase Prime does indeed have gold plastic, most notably the cab elbow joints, supermode "ears" and minicon-activated blasters, but he does not suffer from GPS. GPS breaks are uneven and leave plastic dust and plastic shards. They also do not leave white marks on the plastic since GPS isn't a stress fracture. I don't have my Superbase Prime in front of me, but I'm pretty sure his gold plastic is unpaintable, meaning it isn't the type of plactic that can be affected. Also, there has been exactly ONE case of Protoform Starscream disintegrating, and it was a figure the owner had painted. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:59, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::My prime did not have stressmarks either,it just shattered for no reason. [[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 08:00, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Yeaaaaaaah, i can add my Armada super base 'Prime to it, one of the arms turned to dust, without stressmarks with a bit of dust(ON the arm joint).--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 15:03, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Talked to two people about the figure on a Convention today. Both of them had their figures succumb to GPS as well. So he definitely, '''definitely''' suffers from it.--[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 15:32, 13 June 2010 (EDT)

== Torca & Killbison ==

Does he actually have GPS? All I've seen are ones with a snapped tail joint. Also, I've heard varying reports on whether Killbison actually has GPS or not. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:06, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

== Your toy is DOOMED! DOOOOOOOMED!!! ==

I was under the impression that GPS is not universal across the board, even in toys where it's common. Something about how some plastic batches weren't mixed well, but some were. Am I just confused and clinging to foolish hope? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 10:59, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:I dunno. My Skyquake seems fine. My Electro hasn't disintegrated. I dunno about G2 Slingshot yet; I'll be getting to G2 after the Micromaster pictures, I think. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:00, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::My Japanese Electro shows no sign of it, and so does my Skyquake--apart from the highly disturbing "birth" of a few little gold fragments the first time I folded his scope into his torso, but never again mind you. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 17:19, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

==De-snarking?==

While the new information here certainly is welcome, where did all this talk about 'snapping like your grandma's ankles' and, worse yet, 'like a tight virgin in prison' come from? Way too many jokes are getting in the way of the facts here, I think. [[Special:Contributions/200.3.177.134|200.3.177.134]] 14:24, 15 July 2009 (EDT)

==Hasbro's Q&A session about GPS==

http://www.transformerland.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3481

It was noted here that hasbro is awere of the problem, and has done everything they could so that this might never happen again.(Hopefully this will save Protoform Starscream)--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 15:16, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

== Movie Legends Scorponok ==

I've seen many reports that the tip of Legends Scorponok's tail (originally made out of soft rubbery plastic) has a tendency to harden and then break. My Scorponok's tail appears to be very hard now, and I don't even DARE trying to apply force to it to see if it will break. Is this related to GPS? Should it be mentioned here? It seems to be a common problem, not a few isolated incidents.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 11:38, 20 September 2009 (EDT)

== Animated Arcee ==

Of course she isn't GPS, but she is so #$%& fragile. I believe she needs to be covered in this section. Specially her thumb (Arcee Thumbs Syndrome)_--[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 21:44, 5 March 2010 (EST)
:We're not going to include every toy that breaks into this article. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:48, 5 March 2010 (EST)
:Maybe, but her pink glittery plastic is kind of GPS to me, because of the nature of the plastic.--[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 01:14, 6 March 2010 (EST)
:With Arcee, the common complaint is the stress marks on the thumbs, with them actually breaking being a secondary issue. The article repeatedly states that GPS does not have stress marks. Stress marks are a warning and a luxury where this particular thing is concerned. Since Arcee shows stress, she's not a case of GPS... just bad engineering/weak plastic. She doesn't belong here. [[User:Luke|Luke]] 18:33, 2 April 2011 (EDT)

== Universe 1.0/Cybertron (Europe) Micromaster Superion ==

[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-toy-discussion/300674-warning-universe-micromaster-superion-suffers-gold-plastic-syndrome.html] There's also talks about Movie Protoform Starscream, but reports on him seem to be 50/50 (mine was fine a week ago) suggesting that he came out in a transitional period when Hasbro fixed the problem.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 18:03, 16 December 2010 (EST)

== Youtube video for GPS ==

claywyatt1982 has uploaded a video demonstrating Gold Plastic Syndrome:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcjAUN5Ssj8

How about linking it on the page? I think it would be great to show people the fragility in action. [[User:Fiction Alchemist|C. V. Reynolds]] 05:35, 21 April 2011 (EDT)
:I WILL CRUSH YOU WITH MY BARE HANDS indeed.
:I don't think there would be a problem with putting it in the "External Links" session--we have several instances of linking to 'net fan reviews of, say, the release of Marvel #1, or MOSC rubber rot on the Pretender Monsters. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 08:16, 21 April 2011 (EDT)

== Transmetal Megatron ==

So is [[Megatron (BW)/toys#MegaTransmetal|Transmetal Megatron]] GPS or not? According to this page it is, according to his page it isn't clear what is the cause of his fragility. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:48, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
: In short, no. TM Megs has the problem of metallic plastic being more susceptible to stress, but doesn't just spontaneously disintegrate. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 15:57, 10 November 2011 (EST)

== Cybertron Repugnus ==

I think [[Repugnus (Cybertron)|Cybertron Repugnus]] suffers from GPS, specifically at the lower jaws, which easily break when you try yo make him hold his tail/flail.
:That sounds more like a stress fracture than GPS. Remember, just because it breaks doesn't mean it is GPS. GPS is crumbling for no reason, not snapping when things are forced into tight spaces. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:02, 18 October 2011 (EDT)
::It did not snap : it crumbled. First the peg, then the whole jaw. Looks like GPS to me, but I could be wrong. Just wanted to know if anybody else experimented this.[[Special:Contributions/82.238.12.114|82.238.12.114]] 08:48, 19 October 2011 (EDT)

== 10th Anniversary Dinobot ==

Dinobot's beast mode toes have crumbled on me for no reason. Has anyone else had this happen to them? [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 14:16, 18 October 2011 (EDT)

== Ultimate movieverse Optimus ==

A gentle toss to the floor tore the cab's arm off. i had bought it not even half a day ago, i think it might be GPS. the symptoms matched up, but either way, i returned it, so i cannot check again. (sorry for the wording.) [[User:CrowBuster|CrowBuster]] 17:15, 3 January 2012 (EST)CrowBuster

:No way, even if that figure did have GPS, it's way too soon for that to be the cause of yours breaking. Your "gentle toss" was probably not as gentle as you think.--[[Special:Contributions/76.226.102.10|76.226.102.10]] 17:27, 15 April 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Hot Rod (G1)/toys

2012-04-15T20:56:50Z

76.226.102.10: /* I take issue with this part */ new section

What, if anything, does Classic Rod take from Energon Rod? Maybe it's just because I'm not that familiar with the original, but I've got them both here on my desk, and I just don't see it. Little help? --yo
:It's the yellow things on his forehead. Energon Rodimus was the first one to get it, so the Classics and Titaniums figure take that visual element from the Energon character. -[[User:Detour|Detour]] 07:23, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
::Also, the flames being straight on a red chest, as opposed to being on top of an orange background on a red chest.--[[User:75.176.150.50|75.176.150.50]] 21:52, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
:::ah-HA! Thank you both. Now I feel smarter! --yo

I am going to try to fill this place up as much as possible, I have sooooo much odds and ends of Hot Rod/Rodimus merch........ -[[User:ProtomanXRED|ProtomanXRED]]

I just realized this page is missing the World's Smallest TF version of Hot Rod, but I have no pictures or the figure itself to write anything for it.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 17:02, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

== Revoltech Development ==

Accidentally put this on the Hot Rod character page before discovering the toy page had been separated...

I'm not sure how best to insert this info into the Toy/Merchandise section, so I'm putting it here for now, both in Hot Rod and Starscream's discussion pages.

Revoltech Yamaguchi versions of Hot Rod and Starscream are being developed for release on March 15. Since they're still in the production process, the final figures may differ from the photos shown [http://ga.sbcr.jp/mreport/008583/ here]. No other details are currently available.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 08:25, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
: What a revoltech development... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:53, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
::I'm not sure whether to give you a point for getting the joke or deduct one for just repeating it.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:10, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

== Hot Rod Go-Kart ==
Why isn't this here, under merch? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 15:02, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

== G1 Hot Rod's Mystery Knees ==
This bit is totally new to me - "Before final production, the Hot Rod toy's legs extended to reveal exposed knees. This was changed between the first shot and final production stage. The knees are still present, just blocked by an additional plastic tab that keeps the legs from fully extending."

So my question is, anyone got a good picture of the mystery knees? Are they spherical like the animation model's or what? I'm really curious, but I don't care to shred my Hot Rod's stickers to find out, but especially since someone apparently did already.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 16:49, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

==Henkei==
Why, again, is Henkei Hot Rod "not the same toy" as Classics? We don't have separate entries for Armada Hot Shot/Micron Legend Hot Rod, and this is no different. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:30, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
:I tend to agree, but then I think about the upcoming Henkei Sunstreaker and Prowl. Henkei is Japanese Classics, but Universe isn't strictly Classics, just some of the toys in them are made thematically in the style of Classics. I need sleep. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:11, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
::Personally, I had not thought of Classics/Henkei as being precisely Hasbro/Takara versions of the same thing analogous to Armada/Micron Legend. To my mind, there is a bit more separation there. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 04:39, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
:::They're the same toys representing the same characters, with deco changes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:46, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
::::See, I'm of the opinion that all toys that are different should be in separate entries, regardless of if they're across-sea counterparts of each other. So, yes, I would say that ''Micron Legend'' Hot Rod should be separate from ''Armada'' Hot Shot. It seems silly to do otherwise while creating separate entires for multipacks with the exact same toy or ''Universe'' repackages. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 04:48, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Well Walky, Kiss Players Hot Rodimus and Alternators Rodimus are the same toys representing the same characters but they still have different entries because the lines themselves aren't treated the same. I think the same applies with Classics and Henkei. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:54, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
One can argue that due to Henkei having fiction much like Binaltech/Kissplay. Also the line no doubt is going to contain figures that Classics/Universe won't have and vice versa. It's a really grey area this issue. Using Alternators as an example does not help cause a lot of wikia entrys act as the Alternator and Binaltech toy as one entry (Examples like Skids) The Rodimus case for Kissplay is unique due to his extras included (PVC figure, weapons, CD, ect). Personally, I think any variation that is not within the line itself within it's own national release should be a seperate entry. Like Hot Shot mentioned before, his "Hot Rod" Micron toy with light up feature should be listed seperate. Use this to come to a conclusion. --[[User:ProtomanXRED|ProtomanXRED]] 04:57, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

==Odd bits on G1 Hot Rod entry==
"Hot Rod transforms from a robot into a "futuristic" hot rod sportscar based on the Nissan Dome Zero racecar designed in 1978. His robot mode bears some resemblance to Bandai's Super Robot Zanbo Ace and may have been partially inspired by it." Um... The first line is only representative of Classics Hot Rod, and I'm seeing only coincidental resemblances between Zanbo Ace and Hot Rod, especially considering I got shut down pointing out a 'much' stronger connection on the [[Scrapmetal]] discussion page a long while back. I'm taking this stuff out until someone presents something concrete.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 05:11, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
:....yeah, I have no idea when that last bit got sneaked in there. My gut says to yank it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:37, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
:Could be right on the car mode, but the robot mode is distinctively ressemblant to Zanbo Ace (the smaller robot on the page), from the head design, to the large V-shaped item on his back, to the V on his chest much like Hot Rod has a V-shaped flame pattern on his chest, and even the legs bear some slight ressemblance. This isn't quite the same as "they're both spidertanks!!". --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 05:41, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
::That Scrapmetal bit should be added, since ''Hasbro pointed it out''. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 09:57, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I think the only tiny resemblance between Hot Rod and Zambo Ace is the V-shape (well, sort of) things on their backs. And this should belong to the trivia, not main article. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 13:13, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

== Rodimus shampoo bottle ==

Apparently, such a thing existed. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3MjYDodoJA&feature=player_detailpage#t=565s] --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:22, 6 February 2011 (EST)

== Masterpeice North American release ==

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/generation-1-1/us-edition-masterpiece-rodimus-prime-revealed-172326/ --[[User:Primo|Primo]] 15:12, 31 May 2011 (EDT)
:That's awesome, but we can't mention it on the wiki unless information on it has been officially released. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 17:41, 31 May 2011 (EDT)

== Rodimus Prime's vehicle mode ==

There is nowhere in the official fiction, production materials, catalogs, and source books that has address Rodimus Prime's vehicle mode as a Winnebago, or any recreation vehicle and or accessory for that matter. They have simply referred it as a futuristic truck or vehicle. The original instructions, seen [http://www.cobraislandtoys.com/tf/1986/rodimusprimeinstructions.jpg here], addresses the alt mode as a futuristic vehicle. The Winnebago or "Space Winnebago" claim, is nothing more than just a fandom joke. Possibly invented and perpetuated by Rodimus haters, who thought the best retaliation against the character was to label his vehicle mode as something that could be perceived as demeaning. Like what [[Pokeformers]] is to Armada. However, it's one thing to make jokes about something regardless of whether or not they're funny, but it's another to try and pass it off as fact.

This site, along with the corresponding wikia, is supposed to be an encyclopedia of all things related to the Transformers franchise that based on proven facts and figures. Now I know it also prides itself satirical in its information, primarily in each article's image captions. Which seems to be a growing trend in Wikimedia. However, anytime a joke is taken as the gospel by the people who hear about it, it ceases to be a joke and becomes a rumor or and urban legend. I was playing along with the joke, until I had the multiple run-ins with people who believed the joke to be fact. So there needs to be clarified that it not fact, but rather a fan manifestation like [[JaAm]] and [[Trukk not munky]]. [[Special:Contributions/184.2.68.144|184.2.68.144]] 03:51, 5 August 2011 (EDT)

== ...and now you'll pay $200 to own him. ==

Not sure if that's a joke or not. Speaking even as someone who liked the character as a kid I can't imagine myself spending that much money on faulty junk. I've been stung enough times with the obscenely overpriced so-called Masterpiece line. It doesn't even look that good. Stick with Classics Rodimus for a decent Hot Rod toy though I do find it strange that his toy never seems to be painted in his cartoon colors despite the now numerous redecos even when they seemingly try.[[Special:Contributions/82.26.185.202|82.26.185.202]] 06:49, 22 August 2011 (EDT)
:It's a joke. Based on the facts that 1)that's what a Japanese Masterpiece Rodimus is going for and 2)the kids from 1984 who hated Rodimus for replacing their beloved Optimus have now grown up and are the ones buying most of these imports. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:59, 22 August 2011 (EDT)
::And c) the fact that you can't see yourself doing it doesn't change the fact that hundreds or thousands of people can, and in fact, already ''did''. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:38, 22 August 2011 (EDT)
:::Some even multiple times....... *cough* [[User:Protoman|Protoman]] 17:13, 10 December 2011 (EST)

== I take issue with this part ==

"Before final production, Hot Rod was originally cast in a pinker plastic to match the color of his animation model (as seen in catalogs at the time, and the Sharkticon commercial), but oddly, he was changed to a less animation-accurate red before release"

Yes, he was a pinker color in prototype before changing to a redder one for release, but color used in the movie (and rare Hot Rod rather than Rodimus appearance on the show) was more like the release figure than the pink prototype, at least until the DVD makers started messing around with color "correction". Up until the 2000's the figure was animation accurate (at least from a color standpoint).--[[Special:Contributions/76.226.102.10|76.226.102.10]] 16:56, 15 April 2012 (EDT)