Talk:Jetfire (G1)

2011-06-13T20:31:51Z

76.226.135.49: /* classics toy */ new section

because this wiki is character-focal, not toy-focal, I think this entry should be listed as Skyfire, not Jetfire. he was Skyfire in every major continuity, ever. That his toy had a different name is a detail for a footnote. Add a redirect under jetfire. -D-rok

Except for the Marvel comics. And the Dreamwave comics. WHOOPS. He's Skyfire in ''one out of three'' fictions, one out of ''four'' once you factor in the toys. So no, under Jetfire he should stay; the cartoon is the abberation. -- [[User: M Sipher|M Sipher]]

Sipher's right. He was not in Skyfire in every major continuity, only the cartoon. He was Jetfire in every single continuity BUT one. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:47, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

:...seriously? *rubs forehead* Man, i remembered it the other way around. I guess I'm too used to mentally correcting for it... :~(
**[http://web25655.babar.kontrollpanelen.se/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Jetfire Marvel TFU entry]
**[http://cyberstore.decepticon-matrix.com/comicswarwithin.html Check the solicitation text for TWW:Dark Ages]

How is a bio printed in a magazine connsidered a toy? [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 02:08, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the Jetfire that appeared in the G2 Manga was the same Jetfire that appeared in the cartoon series. For one thing, he was always referred to as "Skyfire", even in toy-form. This Jetfire would not appear to be the same character as Skyfire.--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 05:23, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

:He was the same character in the US, but IIRC, in Japan, the 3 Cyberjets (who were all old characters in the US) were new characters. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:10, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, thats what I heard. So I'll just teleport that manga summary to something like "Jetfire (G2)" and that'll be fine? Or should I just put a note saying that they're difference characters in Japan but the same character in the US?--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
:The latter sounds good. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

...I'm gonna go with Walky, provisionally. If Japan ever re-issues the Cyberjets or somethign with more story attached tot hem, this tac might change- but it's just... such a... footnote.

...wait, were the G2 Autobot Cyberjets Decepticon defectors? (Or something?) Wasnt' there... something else doing on? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

== Animated Continuity ==
I think "Fire in the Mountain" took place in Peru, not Brazil as stated in the article. I will confirm and correct if I find out for sure. --[[User:Suzyprime|Suzyprime]] 14:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, it's Peru, according to [[Fire on the Mountain]]. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:57, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

== Autobot Symbol ==

I recently bought the Classics Jetfire figure, but there's something a little odd, and the source of debate on a few TF forums I frequent. The Autobot symbols on his wings are orange. Well, they are on my figure. Is this the case with the others? Seen from a distance, it's definitely orange. Closer, though, it appears to darken to red. It's odd. Which is it, orange, or red? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:05, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

== Image storage ==
[[Image:Jetfire-JG2decal.jpg|thumb]]
Putting here so it doesn't show up in the unused file list. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:05, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
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== Just curious... ==

Just curious, what's the rationale behind having the G1 cartoon stuff here rather than on a Skyfire page? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 15:03, 11 October 2009 (EDT)
: Skyfire is Jetfire. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:13, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

=="Jetfire" in G.I. Joe==
I knew I had these somewhere. From G.I. Joe: Special Missions #5:

[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/SpecialMissions05-Jetfire01a.jpg Slip-Stream and "Jetfire"]

[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/SpecialMissions05-Jetfire01b.jpg Close-up]

[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/SpecialMissions07-Letter.jpg Question/response about it from issue 7 letters page]

I dunno if this should go on Jetfire's page, on the G.I. Joe page, or what. Issue #5 is dated June 1987, meaning it was published after the G.I. Joe/Transformers crossover (dated November 1986 to February 1987). Or is this exchange already brought up somewhere? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 04:54, 4 April 2010 (EDT)

==Dark Skyfire==
Should Dark Skyfire get his own page? His bio clearly establishes him as a different character. [[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 16:12, 1 May 2010 (EDT)
:Is that why it says "he operated in the same organization as Skyfire", in the Dark Skyfire section of the article? I'm guessing this means that "Skyfire" and "Dark Skyfire" are two separate entities. By th way, that section of the article uses the word "Destron" instead of "Decepticon". I'm pretty sure that's against wiki policy. Anyway, split page ? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 23:49, 17 June 2010 (EDT)
::Destron is the Japanese name for the Decepticons. Henkei Henkei is a Japanese toyline/fiction, and is probably used on Skyfire's bio itself. So, uh, why would using "Destron" be against policy? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 00:04, 18 June 2010 (EDT)
:::Either way, if the article was split he'd be listed as a Decepticon. [[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 05:26, 18 June 2010 (EDT)
:::Maybe not against policy, but I thought using English-based names was the standard. The sections of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity]] regarding Japanese fiction still call him "Optimus Prime", and not "Convoy". The section on [[Kup (G1)]] regarding the Headmasters cartoon use "Kup" and not "Chea"/"Cha". [[From Here to Alternity]] uses the word "Autobots" in the article itself. So, my point is, English-based names are used even when summarising Japanese fiction. Thus, having "Destron" while referring to "Decepticon" ''within an article'' here is rather strange from what I can tell.

:::Anyway, ''is'' Dark Skyfire a separate character? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 06:08, 18 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::I think it's pretty clear that he is. [[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 19:52, 18 June 2010 (EDT)
: Isn't Dark Skyfire just Skyfire before he became an Autobot?[[User:TOM|TOM]] 11:40, 9 July 2010 (EDT)
::His bio says he worked alongside Skyfire.[[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 03:07, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
:I agree Dark Skyfire should be given his own page, until a piece of fiction contradicts or retcons his toy bio.[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 15:46, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
::Why are we even discussing this? They're two different dudes. Split the fuck out of 'em. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:01, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=71310 Hey, guys, let's take one badly translated paragraph and treat it as the word of God.] [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:47, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
:For fucks' sake, did nobody bother to check the Dark Skyfire talk page? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:54, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
::I feel Belgian. (Note: For the purposes of this post, I am using "Belgian" as a synonym for "stupid".) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:57, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
:Lol. This ended up as the worst case of mistranslation this wiki has faced, I'm happy this has been resolved.[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 23:47, 25 July 2010 (EDT)

Moving the following from Talk: Dark Skyfire so that that page can be deleted--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:38, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/277807-black-henkei-jetfire-7.html#post4301072

This seems to just be Skyfire. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:00, 12 November 2009 (EST)

http://www.toyhobby.jp/commodity_param/ctc/2/shc/0/cmc/4904810376705/
:The profile confirmed that he is Skyfire as a Decepticons before the faction's militarization. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 06:27, 15 December 2009 (EST)
::I fully expect Fun Publications to repurpose this as SG Skyfire. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:25, 15 December 2009 (EST)

== Autobot Leader Jetfire ==

I see the wiki has a small blurb and a bad scan of the Dutch comic featuring Jetfire as leader of the autobots. Are you wiki people aware that his initial Dutch MB released toy also marks him as leader? He has a multilanguage techspec and is only leader in Dutch moon talk ;)
I could take some pics, scans, whatever if you guys want? Prime was only ever autobot commander. Technically Jetfire outranks him here. Here's a quick picture. {{unsigned|Argus}}

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/argusshaitan/IMAG0133.jpg
:Argus, do you have the minicomic that depicts Jetfire as Autobot leader? A full scan of that would be amazing - I don't think that's ever been on the internet. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 10:20, 19 August 2010 (EDT)
::Bizarre that his Dutch function would be completely different than those of the other translations--especially when it seems they all have the same motto. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 10:28, 19 August 2010 (EDT)
::I do. It's been on the net though. I donated a copy for free to some guy using the nick Ginrai who was all Jetfire crazy back in the day. No idea where my leaflets are at the moment though but I do own a good enough scanner these days. Back then just giving a copy away was cheaper than having it scanned :)
The function and reasons for even the real Optimus being called Jetfire in the initial translations are allready in the Wiki I think. The motto's are indeed all the same bar some translation related minor details. Some words just don't map 100% onto another. --[[Special:Contributions/84.241.248.128|84.241.248.128]] 09:14, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:While I'll give you that "guardian del aire" and "luftkampfer" are the same (and even stretch the point for "gardien spatial", for "aerospace guardian"), "leider van de autobots" is nowhere near the same. It is a very obvious translation of "leader of the autobots" or "autobot leader". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:39, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:That's pretty much the whole point of this discussion ;) --[[Special:Contributions/84.241.248.128|84.241.248.128]] 09:16, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::I know that. However, the guy I responded to doesn't seem to understand this. I was simply pointing out the fact that the Dutch motto is not the same (as he claimed), but is completely different (as Thy stated). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:29, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Strike everything I've said, I was seeing "motto" and thinking "function". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:32, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

== classics toy ==

"The jet mode pays homage to Generation 2 Jetfire in being a swing wing aircraft,"

The original G1 toy was also swing wing, so how is this an homage to Gen2 instead of the original? [[Special:Contributions/76.226.135.49|76.226.135.49]] 16:31, 13 June 2011 (EDT)

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