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Talk:Oil Slick (Animated)

2009-10-08T17:16:26Z

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Wheelie? Come on guys, that design has a stronger [[Cy-Kill (GoBots)|Cy-Kill]] feel than it does a Wheelie feel. Heck, the transformation is similar to Cy-Kill's, minus partsforming. And Cy-Kill got a black-and-green repaint that's so much awesomer than his red, white and blue color scheme too. Plus, they're both totally evil motorcycles. So I'm asking, before I get reverted and labeled a caption bastard... can I change the Wheelie ref to a Cy-Kill ref? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 07:19, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
:I decided to save you the angst.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 09:39, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

== Chestface ==

Looking at [http://toyfair08.asmzine.com/gallery/hasbro/transformers-animated/slides/IMG_9099.html this image of Lockdown] and comparing to [http://toyfair08.asmzine.com/gallery/hasbro/transformers-animated/slides/IMG_9230.html this image of Oil Slick], yeah, there's a resemblance. But really, I'd say that's supposed to be a very stylized bird on Oil Slick's chest. The triangular sections at the top are the head pointing at the viewer, angled down so you get sort of a top view of the beak. The four segments at the bottom are tailfeathers. I can go for a tongue-in-cheek comment about Lockdown's face, but Carrion and Rosicrucian obviously think Thy means it seriously.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 02:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:Psst. Those are both Lockdown.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:07, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
::Grr...bloody "Copy" keyboard command not paying attention to me. Fixed now.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 02:14, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:it's definitely some kind of tribal design, but it doesn't look anything like Lockdown's face.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 03:32, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
::Compare it to [[Bug Bite (G1)|Bug Bite]]'s tribal tattoo. No guns, similar tats, obscure but established color scheme? Evidence is mounting that he actually IS Cy-Kill. --[[User:76.20.88.10|76.20.88.10]] 19:52, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:::He would be killed by Megs in five seconds then.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 15:36, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

== Images? ==
Why are the 2 images different????? {{unsigned|76.23.202.3}}
:One's from the packaging and one's from the cartoon. I'm guessing it's an Earth mode/Cybertron mode difference. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:33, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
::The second one is a screen capture from the show, as you would see in pretty every single fiction section for characters who appeared in a cartoon. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 12:38, 8 October 2009 (EDT)

Earth mode/Cybertron mode? He's never been to earth.Plus: One is from the comics (during the war) and the other is from the show. (how far away from earth) What they couldnt decide what he was going to look like?[[Special:Contributions/76.23.202.3|76.23.202.3]] 13:16, 8 October 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Oil Slick (Animated)

2009-10-08T07:02:48Z

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Talk:Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac

2009-10-07T22:11:41Z

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Book in hand... we have to disambig "Solon Kitakaze". This thing is awesome. :D - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:28, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
:OH MY GOD SERIOUSLY YOU GUYS the number of things that get obscure in-jokey referential names will implode the wiki it is awesome - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:39, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
::I wasn't gonna buy it, but now... And they reference Solon? Really? It warms my heart whenever its obvious that the official Transformers people are reading out wiki (especially when its articles I wrote!). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 11:09, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Solon's not the half of it!! Solitarium! Death's Head! The Twilight! [[Eddie Fairchild and Matt Conroy]] for pete's sake!! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:44, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
::::Damn. I'm going to have to get that book. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:30, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
:I AM MAKING SWEET SWEET LOVE TO THIS BOOK RIGHT NOW --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:15, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
::Well, when you guys are done sodomizing your copies, please make an article to accompany this talk page. I won't be able to get mine until next week. :( --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 14:34, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
Considering the book is by Sorenson, I'm not really surprised by any of this! -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 15:08, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
:::About one-third of the book's pages are ''bathed'' in Cybertronix. Given what they just came out and said in the book--what with SKY-BYTE AND EVERYTHING ELSE--I literally cannot even imagine what might fulfill their own standard of a "hidden Easter Egg" to be encrypted in another language. Aaiiiiieee. Also, I fucking call dibs on writing up the Visionaries reference. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:57, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
::::"The Swiss bank account number of the Bavarian Illuminati".
::::Is that just a joke on our part or did the writers go crazy? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:59, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::That was just a joke, presumably as a proxy until someone actually starts work on translations. Believe you me, I don't intend to run afoul of the Bavarian Illuminati ... again. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:06, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::OK.....
:::::: *takes two drinks* --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:28, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Ah'm doin' translations tonight! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:55, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::oh sweet jesus this is going to take forever - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:21, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::For the love of.... the first bit of Cybertronix is the introduction from the instruction manual of the 1988 video game, "Wasteland". My head is fit to explode. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:46, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Sorenson, you've played Wasteland? I must worship you now. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:59, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

Does this book give the names of all the Starscream clones BTW? Considering the toy bio for Sunstorm at least has been a source of confusion.. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 16:32, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
:Yes, all the clones are named now.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:33, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
::I will take your answer to mean, yes "Sunstorm" is in the Almanac and yes it identifies the show sycophant clone as "Sunstorm." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:06, 31 August 2009 (EDT)

== Annotations ==

Got 'em done. [http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/digipedia/annotated_almanac.html check 'em out] on this rather unglamorous bit of webspace; if anyone's feeling very brave, they might try and add some of this to the article. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:40, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
:The DS9 pilot was just "Emissary", no "The" (originally shown, and presented on the DVD, as a single double-length episode). "The Emissary" was a '''TNG''' episode, stardate (per MΑ) 42901.3. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 18:59, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::Also, note the "-" in front of the universal stream indicator for the writers. That means they're from a Shattered-Glass-like negative polarity universe! (I suspect Quadwal or whatever is the "real life" universe, which would work hand-in-hand with it being a "live performance" stream. Note that the authors are criminal versions of themselves, which again seems right considering the negative polarity.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:07, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::Oh, and you got your Archa Nine and Archa Seven switched. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:08, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
:Typo: "...Irwin Spoon, a journalist who appeared in a '''three-party''' story in Marvel UK's..."; three-part, yes? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:09, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
:The Farscape monologue is from S1 & 2. It changed for S3, and again for S4. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:17, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::The ''Dune'' fan in me screams at the misspellings in "He is the Kwizatz Haderach He is born of Caladan And will take the Gorn Jabbar" (it's supposed to be "Kwisatz" and "Gom"). Is this how they're spelled in the actual song? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:44, 25 August 2009 (EDT)

Digimon FAQ? Haha. But anyway: "An observation of the events of the first issue of the Animated comic by the trans-dimensional Vector Prime" Please tell me there's a picture of ''Animated'' Vector Prime. Also, "The team is thrashed by real-life football team West Ham at Tigatron Stadium" This might be a reference to West Ham apparently being Furman's favorite <s>soccer</s> football team. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 03:45, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
: There is no art of Vector Prime. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:19, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
::I want this book so much right now. But I seriously need to try and ignore the stardate for "Babel": as much as I hate to say it, that episode still scares me. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:27, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
:Dude, McFeely? "Quadwal" as the universal stream is a joke. Quad=four. Wal=wall. "Fourth wall." It's the "real world." And it's not a negative universe, it's a negative number. 9/25/3760 ''BC''. That's the day calculated for Creation by adding up the ages of everyone in the Old Testament and subtracting back from the birth of Christ. (And it's a "live performance" because, uh, yeah.) FUCK ANYONE ELSE WHO POINTED THIS OUT ALREADY, IT'S FIVE AM AND I CAN'T SLEEP. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 04:52, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::I had already figured out that the date was probably referring to the day the universe came into existence (just forgot to actually mention that here like I'd meant to...), but I'd still been stumped on the "Quadwal" part. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 06:50, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::You may consider my mind officially blown. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:34, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
Are we not dealing with pointing out picture stuff? Like on page 171 there's a kid dressed like Destro (and another one dressed like a Joe?). Are the guys on 184 at the bottom (1-5) supposed to be anybody? Just curious. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 07:21, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Similarly, is it worth mentioning anywhere in the article (or associated articles) about the flip-book animated Pocketbot at the bottom right of the right-hand pages?
:::Also, having gone over the book, I am amazed you could read the Cybertronian writing enough to figure out what it said, Chris. Maybe my eyes are just that bad now, but a lot of it seemed far too faint to distinguish, never mind the large portions obscured by overlaid art. Did you get layered files from which to study or something?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 07:55, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::::Naw, I just turned on every light in the room and squinted at it like the dickens. I translated what I could of the very first two passages and googled them to see if they were referring to something, so when I discovered that they were straight transcriptions of other sources, I circumvented the obscured-by-art problem by just started translating some of the large visible patches of text and googling it to see what it said. Would you believe that typing patches of the final narration of Robotech into google gets you no relevant hits? Seriously, the only relevant hit you get for "his homeworld and his past" is now ''my fricking annotations''. As to pictures, I was focusing on getting the references added ''for the book'', rather than pre-existing ones from the show and comics themselves, which is what those kids dressed as Joes would be (that said, I shamefully admit I didn't spot them - I've still not, ahem, ''read'' the book fully and properly, and probably would have mentioned them just because that's ''awesome''.) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:59, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:I used to work with Krista Kohlhausen. The likeness between the real person and the EMT character model is, well, perfect. There must be other people out there who look exactly like Derrick Wyatt's drawings too. Maybe he unwittingly creates them, like the narrator-author from "Stranger Than Fiction" who accidentally controls Will Farrell's life. Or maybe he ''wittingly'' creates them, like the author from "In the Mouth of Madness" who uses his simulacra people to summon Cthulhu. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 10:49, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

==References as a part of the article==
Now, I can hardly claim to be an unbiased party in all of this, but it seems to me that there is value in having a wikified list of references as a part of the article, rather than shunting people off-site to a web page that may or may not be there in perpetuity. I can't think of another instance of us saying that we shouldn't be codifying legitimate information because 'there is a large amount of it.' At worst we put that information in a sort of side-page, like we do with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity]] and whatnot. Also, the hyperlinked version allows one to more quickly navigate around, rather than having to laboriously type in each search term. Finally, I won't lie, I'm tickled pink to see a 25K list of just the Transformers references in this book.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:44, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
:I agree, plus there should also be a list of who got profiles like in [[Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)|other]] [[More Than Meets The Eye (G1)|books]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:09, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
::aren't references present in other stuff like Divide and Conqure (Real World and Transformers references both) and Nemesis Part 2 and RID episodes and linkage and so on?{{unsigned|71.148.38.190}}
:::Yeah, as is this article isn't nearly as informative or complete as many of it's counterparts. I DO understand the impulse not to go crazy over it as there is SO much awesome geekage that it'd be really easy to let the article become Godzillic. Still that's no reason to starve it into near uselessness either. A greater detail on the content, and list of profiles should be definite. I think a list of at least the TF references, kept as breif as possible should be VERY within the usual scope ot this wiki as well.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.72.27|76.28.72.27]] 13:28, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

Agreed. Ever since Chris did the work on his annotated version, I've been urging him to wikify it and integrate it into the article.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:35, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:Is this a consensus I see forming to add back in the wikified references? (Attempting to restrain myself ...) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:38, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::Do both. Include references here, and link to Chris's external reference list. There will be overlap... but different eyes see different things, neh? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:41, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Works for me. "It's long" is no reason not to include something on the wiki. [[The Core#Notes|Just the opposite]], [[B.O.T. (episode)#Notes|in fact]]. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 13:47, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

==Sandbox Discussion==

OK, I took a stab at a format that keeps readability but also incorporates the wikifying work already done. Check it out here: [[Jimsorenson/Sandbox1]]. Thoughts? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:21, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

I dig it. In situations like this, I ''love'' our articles being this informative.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:37, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:Yes, well, so do I, but I feel weird doing this myself. Note that, for references, I'm restricting myself to dropping in work that was already done by other. That is, even if it's "wrong" or incomplete or not what I was going for, I'm still just copying it and pasting it in.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 17:45, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::Well Jim, if something is ''wrong'', do let us know! Don't want to spread misinfo! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:52, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:::I concede that this will look better than the more sparse approach I'd previously suggested. I just feel a little weird about basically outing ALL the in-jokes in the book.... though it ''is'' why we're here. Go for it. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 17:56, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::::OK, I think I'm done ... thoughts? The references in chapter 4 were just too dense. For the real-world stuff, I figured I'd break it out into a sub-page. For Garbage O's, Venus and the Detroit Powell Press, all fairly reference-dense, I figured it'd be enough for the references to be on their own pages. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 19:12, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

I'm thinking we might want to trim some of the reference explanations for brevity's sake... since we link to the things being referenced anyway. For example, "''In addition, he calls it a “[[Seafood Louis]] creature”, after the crab salad notable among Transformers fans for having been served at several BotCons.''" could probably be trimmed to just ""''In addition, he calls it a “[[Seafood Louis]] creature”.''" what with the link. A little bit of that here and there can really trim things nicely. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:42, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:I agree with you completely. That said, that takes us into an area that I'm not comfortable editing. All I've been doing was grabbing wiki code from the edit by Bishbot, which was in turn just a wikified version (more or less) of Chris McFeely's annotations. If there is to be further trimming here, I think that it'd be best done by someone more objective.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 20:47, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::Thoroughly understandable. I'll give a go at em. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:49, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:::If anything, at this point I'd say there's enough support to move this material to the main article, and let everyone hone it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:51, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

== Scans ==

Could some people who have the book upload scans of it? like for example for blackaracnia's page we could have the character model for Blackarachnia so why not?
--[[Special:Contributions/92.238.187.82|92.238.187.82]] 11:37, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
:Er, we already have 90% of the character models uploaded?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:05, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
::Well, a lot of what the wiki has up is style guide art, not character models. However, the principles of fair use still apply - a few excerpts here or there are fine, but scanning in everyone's character model and posting them is definitely not fine. It is not necessary for the wiki to have everyone's character model posted here.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:18, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Hmmm. You leave me wondering, what is "style guide art" and how does it differ from character models? Does the wiki need a "style guide" page? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:25, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
::::By my uneducated estimation, a "character model" would be a static pose of the character, standing still, arms at sides, designed to straightforwardly illustrate the details of their bodies so that they animators and artists can draw them correctly. If what we have on the wiki is "style guide" art, then that would appear to be art that gives off personality and character - observe Prowl's ninja-pose, or Bulkhead's crossed arms, they give off plenty of character, but obscure chest details that artists would need to render the character properly. - McFeely, not signed in
:::::Bingo. [[:Image:AniBlitzwingPromoModel.jpg|Blitzwing's character model]] vs [[:Image:AniBulkheadPromoModel.jpg|Bulkhead's style guide artwork]]. Character models are used by animators and comic book artists so that characters can be drawn in a uniform way. The style guide imagery is generally given out to other licensees and is (I believe) designed to convey both the character's design and their basic personality. The art is designed so that it can be just dropped in place and look cool, which isn't something that character models need to accomplish.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:48, 14 September 2009 (EDT)

Offhand, I'd say style guide images make for more evocative main images on character articles than straight-up character models. Given my druthers, I think we should use the less static pose where availability and layout permit.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:25, 14 September 2009 (EDT)

so eh does this mean we should upload scans or not? {{unsigned|92.238.160.72}}
:That's a big NO. (Aside from a small amount for fair-use.) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:18, 26 September 2009 (EDT)

== Vector Prime ==

Hi! I am reading the book right now and I do not understand the Vector Prime part. I understand that Primus is god so who is vector prime. Like why is he in here. I just do not understand transdimension thingies. Does anybody think they can explain it very simple that an 11 yr old can understand it.{{unsigned|76.23.202.3|17:27, 7 October 2009}}
:Hello. Vector Prime is a very, very old Transformer. He can see across many different dimensions. He looks in to the universe of Transformers Animated and watches some events, then writes down what he sees. Does that make sense?--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 17:54, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
::Specifically, we have an article on [[Vector Prime]] if you want to find out more about him!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:03, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
Oh Thanks! I did look on his article I really am just like wow! but now I get it so He is old and is a bot who sees everything.

Talk:Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac

2009-10-07T21:27:01Z

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