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User talk:Chris McFeely

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I'd just like to say that the continued expansion of the Headmasters cartoon articles is pretty awesome... even if the episodes themselves are so not. THIS is the kind of shit that our wiki really needs to make it stand out... we got the dirt on EVERYTHING, not just "hey look I remember this guy from 1984". You can get information on Optimus Goddamn Prime anywhere on the web. A rundown of the Japanese episodes and incidental characters and bizarre powers?... (Incidentally, does "Cross-Head-On" have an article? Should it?) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:58, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

:Ta, guv'nor! It just remains to see how long before I get distracted by something shiny and forget about 'em. As for Cross-Head On, I covered the process in the [[Transtector]] article (which I should update to remove that bit about the different Transtectors' powers. "Head On" doesn't deserve an article, it just being the plugging-in of the head, so I don't reckon the Cross-Head On warrants one either, really. Mind you, I'm trying to remember where the "Head Formation" fits in. I'll see when I get to it in the show, I guess. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]]

::I think it would at least warrant a redirect link to a relevant sub-section of the Transtector article. Even if the whole process is vague at best... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:23, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Not including copyright on your images makes Baby Jesus's lawyers cry. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:48, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

==Miranda II==
DUDE! That caption you gave to the [[Miranda II]] pic is great! Thanks! I couldn't think of anything to say and that's PRECISELY what I should have said, given how much I hated the series after episode 16! --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:21, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

== Master Builder(s) ==

Hi just wondering what you meant by your comment that the DVD got it wrong. The screen cap I posted was from the actual episode (not a DVD title screen) and it clearly shows the title as singular. I guess I'm just wondering what official source states the title as plural—if you know? [[User:Telet093|Telet093]] 02:20, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

==Auto-Bop==
Hey, Chris? Is there any way to determine which thug in Auto-Bop is "Dag"? I'm screenshotting the episode, and "Furg" was easy to figure out... but there's several other incidentals with speaking voices. I'm thinking either the guy who gives Poplock and Rocksteady the free passes or the Dancitron doorman. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 11:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

== Transformers (2007) ==

In honor of your outstanding achievement in posting the best snark ever, I hereby bestow upon thee the Andrusi [[wikipedia: sea lion|Seal]] of Approval. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 23:58, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

== Money is everything ==

Hey, do your scripts tell you what unit for force Computron uses to activate Abominus's timer mechanism in the final act of MiE? I can't make it out. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:35, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

==?==

What part of ireland are you from?[[User:GWolf]]

== Quint Q's ==

Were the various Quintesson ships or Quint body types refereed to as anything in the original scripts? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:54, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

:Alas, nay. They're all just randomly "Quintesson," "Quintesson Scientist," "Quintesson Leader," etc. Just describing the role of the character in the episode, rather than as a name for the body-type. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:40, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
::Drat. Well, thanks. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:47, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

==???==

Just wondering. You're the guy who did the audio commentary for HM right?
:Yessir, that's me. I also appeared on the Masterforce, Victory and movie DVDs. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:09, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

==Fort Max voice==
Chris, if there's some sort of dispute/common error about the voice for RID Fort Max, maybe you should add a note to that effect. That way people won't think that our article has an error in it. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 18:48, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

==IT MUST BE COMPLETED==
Hey, Chris. Please tell me you have the second half of "[[The Beast Within]]", so we can complete this memorial to the worst thing ever. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 22:09, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:Ye-es, sadly. Should I dig it out, or can I just invite you over to jam a rusty fork in my eye? (I ''really'' wish I could be nicer about this comic, since it's done by TheTF.Net's webmaster, an' all, but... there's just nothing nice to say about it...) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:12, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::Scans needed, then. For science! (I'm masochistic. I am so sorry.) [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 22:26, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

::Aww, it's okay to feel bad Chris! I was actually trying to dig the thread where I yelled at you about your Ryo Annual story out of google groups because I thought I could recycle some of the language for a trivia note explaining ''why'' giving a fan writer ''one shot'' to tell a story in limited pages almost inevitably results in a stupid decision to do something 'signifigant' and bad/pointless rather than telling a good story... but I couldn't find it in the archives. :(
::You're ''allowed'' to be mean to Darren, because you've been through the same thing he has! ^_^ -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, but mine was editorially interfered with! :) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:35, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Oh, and it was Chris Funaro who made a comment on it, rather than yourself, Derik. Although I didn't really get what he was saying at the time, and I still don't. But I get what you're saying here. Although I wasn't making up what I wrote, as "The Beast Within" does - I was just stealing it out of Japanese video games. :) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::::Really? I know I drafted a response at one point, i wonder if the posting service lost it...?
::::I believe the nature of ''my'' objection was that you needed to step back and say "Gee, all this story is doing is awkwardly affirming the Japanese backstory of the character, complete with bizarre footnotes saying 'it's true, check out a series of video games not available in english if you doubt me!' Unfortunately doing this doesn't actually make Ryo any ''less'' confusing because if he's a dimensional refugee- why the hell does he haf a father on tamers!Earth?" Basically, you were were given a forum- which is fine, and a subject you wanted to talk about- also fine, but rather than ''add'' to the universe, you used it as a soapbox to declare "Yes, the Japanese backstory counts, and I'm goign to gloss over it in a quick-to-the-point-of-incoherence summary!" As a result the DM Universe 'looks' exactly the same whether this story had been published or whether it hadn't. Now if you'd used the story to explain about Ryo's father (given Ryo's brief cameo on adventure!Earth in 02) that explanation would have ''added'' to the universe, explained a problem- and the ''Japanese'' fans would be saying to one another "Hey, there's this official story published by the limeys that fits between the last game and Tamers and explains some things! Scanlations PLZ!"
::::Darren was given 8 pages to tell a story, and rather than tell a cute adventure that would add to the universe (and we know it's possible to do a full story in as little as 3-5 pages, we've seen it done, repeatedly) the enormity of the ''opportunity'' instead overwhelmed him and he instead chose to the ''biggest, kewelest'' thing possible. There's ''no'' personal interaction in the story- Predaking, Devastator, Menasor and Bruticus clearly were ''not'' actually killed (despite what the story implies) the Beast goes crazy and then it stamped down with Grimlock vowing that they will '''never speak of this again under punishment of catapult'''. So basically-- nothing happened, and there's a fiat at the end saying 'and the beast will never again appear anywhere, ever.'
::::Even ''ignoring'' that a Dinogot gestaly is a ''dumb'' idea and that part of why the Dinobots were ''awesome'' that they were a non-combining sub-group tough enough to kick a combining sub-group's ass... even ignoring that The Beast ''dripped'' 'kewl' and 'x-treme' and 'badass' in ways that should be avoided on principle... the true crime is that the story basically never happened. If you took it away from the universe, continuity would look ''exactly'' the same, except it would lack the footnote 'Dinobots can combine, but they never ever do because the combiner is crazy.' No personal interactions, the actions ''in'' the story (the deaths of the 'cons) dont' actually occur so they're not even worth counting as having occoured. The story is ''pointless'' You could have accomplished the exact same thing with a 1-sentence note in a Dreamwave guide. "Dinobots can combine, don't." It's a generic battle with generic deaths and generic angst spun around a footnote. It accomplishes nothing other than establishing that footnote to be true while essentially saying 'but you can ignore it because it will never be used again.' And I don't think Daren would ever have chosen to tell ''that'' story if he hadn't been dazzled by the overwhelming opportunity and become consumed by a need to do something significant.
::::The result is that people love and passionately declaim the virtues of Linkage, which ''everyone everywhere'' accept is ''actually happening'' during the Armada cartoon, off-screen. By contrast for this ''other'' multi-part DVD pack-in story (with more pages per installment) is so looked-down on that even the ''wiki'' staff, who are completionist freaks who delight in documenting the weird and the stupid part of Transformers were saying "Yeah... can we just leave that out? DVD pack-ins don't count, they're like the profiles calling Cyclonus a Unicron, right?"
::::And it wasn't that I dislike affirming Ryo's japanese backstory? I thought it made for a bad story, and I think addressing why Ryo had a father could have been a ''good'' story in the same number of pages if you wanted to tell a story about Ryo jumping universes, and ''that'' story would have added to the universe. While I dislike the core concept, it's probably ''possible'' to tell a good story about the Dinobots having a combiner mode-- but this wasn't it. In both cases while ''events occour'' in both stories, they are completely inconsequential evens that serve merely to contain a editorial fiat saying 'this is true.' and I blame that response on the ''overwhelming urge'' to 'do something signifigant' when a fan-writer is given one shot to tell a story that overrides good sense and objectivity.
::::(That was more or less what I was going to post back then, even if google lost it. I trust you can see what I'm getting at even if you may choose to disagree.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:14, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::Oh, I can totally see what you're getting at, all right. My goal, though, wasn't really to ''affirm'' Ryo's backstory, but more to tell people - "Hey, so, this exists." This was something that was real and official in Japan, but which next to ''nobody'' in the west knew about. Heck, had I the room, I would've ''totally'' tried to explain his dad - but that was a secondary concern to actually just ''putting the information out there''. Funnily enough, the regular writer did something similar of his own accord when he summarized the first Tamers movie in an even more ham-fisted way than I did. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 23:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::So take one page out of the story about how Ryo has a father since he's dimension-hopping and do a 1-page fact-sheet at the end about the events aof the games which received only a passing reference in that story (footnoted to 'see the fact seet at the end for more info on this!')
::::::I'm also being way too harsh on this. I ''despise'' Monday morning quarterbacking<ref>That reference probably makes no sense to you if you're British, does it? It refers to criticizing the decisions made by the football field leader in the heat of the game on Sunday night from a privileged perspective of the next day when it's easy to say 'that was a stupid idea' about something ''you know'' didn't turn out.</ref> because hindsight is 20/20, and it comes off like [http://www.theonion.com/content/node/52328 this guy].
::::::There's some correlary to Murphy's law about "once you start asking the ''wrong questions'' you will never find the right answer." Having decided to tell Ryo's game backstory, it's ''really hard'' to step back objectively and see it's not working. I'm not ''quite'' asshole enough to hold you feet to the fire for something that's a fundamental tragedy of human nature. :p
::::::Besides, you were being disingenuous when you said you had no editorial interference. Didn't they cut your length by 30% after you scripted it? Thus the whole story ended up compressed and you lost most of the shell sequence about Ryo coming to trust Cyberdramon more. I'm not ''thrilled'' with that story, since I think 'characters learn to trust one another' is boring and genric, but it did speak to Cyberdramon becoming much less unpredictable and dangerous in the anime vs. the games. So there was an ''attempt'' at telling a story to add to the universe- it just got mostly squeezed out. (And thus part of the reason I speak in generalities about the problems involved in fan-gets-one-shot, not all of which directly apply to you.)
::::::Man I miss Tamers, I should rewatch it. Was Savers any good? (I hated the first episode...) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:55, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, you said 'was' interfered with, not 'wasn't.' ignore that bit then. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Now, see, to me, that's doing it backwards. You're saying it oughta to have been about why Ryo had a father... with an addendum explaining the story that contains the ''problem with him having a father''? You need to remember, out of the vast majority of kids picking this comic up, ''nobody knew this stuff''. To explain away a problem in a story that ''no-one has read''... well, that's just... backwards. You need to atually tell them the story first, so they can be aware there's even a problem that needs to be addressed. Re: the intereference, the bit about Ryo trusting Cybertron was actually more like what got added ''in'' to the story. My aim was to tell a story dealing with Ryo being torn out of his home universe, and trying to find a role or purpose for himself in a world not his own. This, then, would be my explanation for that "super-hero" personality he had in Tamers (which I had previously lampooned all to hell and back in fanfics). There's a vestigal reference to that in the final panel of the finished story, which is a total non-sequiter to anything else that happens in the story because it all got cut out because I was "witing over the heads of the target audience." ''Grmmble''....
::::::::Oh, and I quite enjoyed Savers. But it was very far removed from all the other Digimon series and had a very different tone and approach that I could see not pleasing a lot of folks. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:48, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I'd just like to note "it can't happen in any established continuity" is because, well, basically it can't. Lack of quality aside, it has characters alive and active alongside others who were not around with them (for example, the Predacons), various deaths, etc. It just can't be wedged in anywhere without a metric shit-ton of ridiculous, speculatory to the point of being utterly made-up retcon. And for that we should be thankful. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:42, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
:There should be a note that the Dinobot combiner is probably ''not'' part of most continuities, just like Cybertron is ''not'' internally configured to allow Primus to transform into robot mode in most continuities. (I ''think'' that's how the Ultimate Guide described it...) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:55, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

==Headmasters appearance lists==
On "[[Operation: Destroy the Decepticons]]", it's just a recap before the title card, as you suspected.

In "[[Duel on the Asteroid]]", there is an establishing shot of the interior of Spaceship Bruce's bridge. You can clearly see Fortress' back, and then there are four guys seated at a console further up who are too small to really distinguish. From the context and a later shot, it's clear that they are the four main Headmasters. But you can't really tell visually. So... I don't know exactly what rules you have been following when making your lists. I decided to put Fortress first, since he's quite recognizable, then Pointblank, and then the HMs when they get a closer shot. Feel free to modify if that's not the way you were doing things. Also, when they do appear, they are seating (L to R) Chromedome, Highbrow, Brainstorm, Hardhead, so I rearranged them from your ordering. Again, I don't know if that's how you were doing things or not. When the Decepticon Targetmasters first appear, on Fortress' screen ambushing Pointblank, I can't tell which of the two blue guys is which. I'm just trusting the order you listed them in. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:00, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

:That is, indeed, precisely the way I've been doing them, so that's just lovely. Ta muchly! :D Now, I just need to belt out the final two episodes before the end of Sunday... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:12, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

==Hooray!==
He's back! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:37, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

==Linking episodes to the Masterforce page==
Perhaps you should create links for episodes on the Masterforce cartoon page as you write the articles as that page is linked to our main page, it would be helpful. I've already linked up the one you have already completed (to my knowledge) *cheesy anime thumbs up* --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

==Madman Headmasters==
I noticed you had asked for this at Seibertron, but it didn't seem that anybody there actually replied to your request. I asked a friend and he says when you play the first episode of Disc 1, after the opening titles sequence you get the episode title, then the episode itself. Does that help? I assume this means Madman's set is almost exactly the same is Metrodome's. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
:Just a further note on this Chris in case you didn't catch it. I bought the Madman set and apart from properly synching up the English tracks to the two episodes that were ''way'' off, everything else is the same. Right down to other episodes' English tracks being 'slightly' off and (more annoyingly) the incorrect subs popping up in "[[Find MegaZarak's Weak Spot!!]]". You'd think two years would have been enough time to correct this gaffe, but there you go! --[[User:Jon T|Jon T]] 08:44, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

==Character Information Boxes==
Why can't we keep them? [[User:Captain William Lennox Transformers|Captain William Lennox Transformers]] 18:37, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:It's long been decided roundabouts here that we're not doing infoboxes. Also, you just ganked that from Wikipedia, and it was full of headers that would have had no use here. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:42, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:We took a look at infoboxes, and decided that it just wouldn't work. A great many characters cross too many continuities, have too many altmodes, too many alternate names, and even have too many ''allegiances'' to fit in a box that wouldn't be several pages long. It's all information we have better ways of presenting. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:00, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
::Sorry about the "Vandalism", but from the other Wikis I edit, we use serious terms, and I didn't know how you wanted it, so, again, sorry. [[User:Captain William Lennox Transformers|Captain William Lennox Transformers]] 18:52, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I was just cleaning it up a bit. [[User:Captain William Lennox Transformers|Captain William Lennox Transformers]] 19:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

==Metrodome==
Hey, since you've worked on some of the Metrodome TF DVDs, how about you create an article about Metrodome, detailing their releases of Transformers over the years? I've done a similar thing for [[Madman Entertainment]], and I think it would be useful to list the various different versions of DVDs released (at least in the english-speaking countries). So how about it?!? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:03, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:It's certainly been on my mental "to-do" list for a wee while now. Hmn, what time is it... half-past midnight here... ehh, let's have a go at it, then. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 00:27, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

FUCK YOU UNCLE FUCKA BECAUSE YOU ARE AN ASSWIPE<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

User talk:Suki Brits

2008-01-21T21:03:19Z

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OH MY GOD YOU'RE REALLY NEALE DAVIDSON!!!! [[User:Hooper X|Hooper X]] 05:21, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

==Pat Lee==
But it IS factual! That's what he wrote on his webpage! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:09, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
:Holy friggin' crazy. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 20:31, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

==You are now an Admin==

Hi Suki Brits, I've made you and ItsWalky admins for this wiki. I'm glad you can help :) Let me know if there is anything you need help with or can't do. Please have a look at [[Wikicities:Help:Administrators' how-to guide]] for the basics, and let me know if you want more admins added - two should start you off, but you may want more in time. Thanks again -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]] [[User talk:Sannse|(talk)]] 12:53, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

...so 'sexy piece of autobot ass' goes, but 'masteurjailbate' stays? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

:Sure, why not. The captions aren't supposed to be serious, and mostly, I can't think of anything to put in there instead. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 06:33, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

::The image caption is also phrased in a way to not sound like it's endorsing pedophilia. Bonus points for that. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:40, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

== Ep Template comments ==

Hi. Thanks for your feedback. The bright colors had fit in better with the design of my personal TF website, which already had more color; thus it didn't stand out as much. But here I can see your point, as the style of this wiki is pretty plain to begin with, such bright colors do stand out, and I can sort of see how they might be distracting. I like the idea of having some color in the table to help as an extra visual identifier of the groups. I have therefore muted the colors. Please check it out and let me know if you find it less distracting now. [[User:Telet093|Telet093]] 18:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

== Re: "vandalism" ==

I'm very sorry you consider that editing an entry to reflect a neutral point of view is considered to be vandalism.

My experience with Wikis so far has been that they are information resources, and while I don't object to humour being used in an entry, there is a certain amount of self-indulgent college-humour that diminishes potential of the resource.

That said, I respect that I am a newcomer to the community, and will do my best to insert a fart joke into a suitable entry at the first opportunity, in order to gain editorial approval. :)

:Thanks for the reply. I think what concerned me with the [[Grapple (G1)|Grapple]] article is that the caption that was there was expressing an opinion, *and* wasn't particularly funny. That being the case, I figured boring but accurate beat lame and indulgent, though it seems we differ on this.

:Like I say, I have no problem with things that are actually *funny*, but why leave something like [[Overhaul (G1)|this]] intact? It's restating something that's stated far better further down the page, and isn't actually funny, and has terrible grammar. When I changed it to something more sensible, it got reverted. Another example [[Abdul Fakkadi|here]] - this caption could be interpreted as a homosexual slur. To my mind, things like this *do* interfere with the quality of the articles. It looks amateurish, and this reflects on how worthwhile the wiki is as a whole.

::How could "Kneel before my epaulettes" '''possibly''' be taken as a homosexual slur? He's a self-important guy in a silly suit. The 'kneel' part is clearly imperious, not sexual. And why would kneeling inply ''homo''sexulity anyway? Can't girls kneel before the socialist might of Abdul Fakkadi? And even if it was- how is Abdul Fakkadi asking someone to serve him sexually a slur? Do you think any any homosexual act is inherntly degrading, and thus a slur?
::I mean, christ, get it right. Abdul Fakkadi is offensive to muslims, not gays.

::Look, here si what we concluded. "The main wikipedia has Transformers articles. If you can't figure out that orange guy is Grapple without a caption saying 'a picture of Grapple,' you belong there, not here. Teletraan 1 inherently assumes that you already have a decent-enough familiarity with Transformers to keep up with the way the articles are written. It's FOR FANS." And that means it doesn't have to be dry, informative and joyless. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

:::The "homosexual slur" comment was regarding [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Abdul_Fakkadi&oldid=21917 this caption]. Which was more making fun of people who WOULD make that joke, but since the joke had to be made in the process, it's easy to misinterpret. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::::Ha! I mean... ha.
::::Anyway, he's allowed to say that. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::True, it doesn't have to be dry, informative and joyless. But neither does it have to be one huge puerile fanboy in-joke. --[[User:Sofaman|Sofaman]] 01:24, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

:I know that this stuff relating to use of humour is kind of spelled out in "Tone and Voice", but are we just giving licence to subjective standards of humour that detract from the quality of the information overall? How much is too much? Is it only you and ItsWalky who decide? Is this the best place to discuss this? I really want to make a useful contribution to this wiki, and I'm happy to be advised on how to do that, but I need to feel that differences of interpretation and presentation are going to be respected, which is really about the only way that wikis can work. --[[User:Sofaman|Sofaman]] 14:22, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
::"He blowed up real good", I believe, is perfectly fine to have in the bio of a hi-then-die character, even if it restates it in the fiction section. Of course, that's largely my history in newspaper journalism talking, where all the important information is included in the first paragraph and then everything is elaborated in further paragraphs. This way, someone can get an idea of the most important attributes of the character without having to read the entire page. With this in mind, it's perfectly fine to mention that the character only shows up to die in his profile. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:06, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

== Question regarding a broad topic ==
Hi there,

I was wondering if, as an admin, you could please advise me on something? How can I go about fielding a question/suggestion for general discussion in a more systemic way than just on individual talk pages? It's just that I have a differing perspective on the way that this wikia designates certain continuity issues, and it's something that effects many entries. Naturally I don't want to go around unilaterally changing things to reflect my point of view, but I can't see any more general forum to discuss this. On Wookieepedia, the Star Wars wiki, they have a page they call the Senate Hall where people can discuss general topics concerning the site. Is there any way we could do something similar here? Failing that, how would you advise me to go about raising my issues for borader discussion?

To just give you an idea of what I'm talking about: I approve of the way that the site views the various different continuity families as taking place in alternative realities (obviously), however, I find the consistant use of phrasing which treats the Optimus Prime (and Megatron) character in different continuities as wholly different people poblematic. I view Optimus Prime in G1, RID and the Unicron Trilogy (for example) as being alternate reality versions of the same character, rather than wholly different characters with the same name and very similar personalities, which seems to be the way this site treats them. Although there is some argument to be made that this is the case in Japan where Convoy, Fire Convoy and Galaxy Convoy are not neccessarily alts of the same person (especially given the proliferation of Prime-lookalike convoys in the BWII & BWNeo), I think that American fictions consistently portray them as being different versions of the same individual, ala the common device of different versions of the same person in alternate universes as used in sundry sci-fi. Now granted most other instances of name-reuse (particularly in the Unicron Trilogy) give no indication of implying that, say, Armada Cyclonus is in any way and alternate version of G1 Cyclonus, but I think that with Prime and Megs this is clearly different.

On a similar note, I disagree with the inclusion of IDW's "neo-G1" continuity being included in the pages relating to other G1 characters. Although clearly very closely based on G1, the IDWverse is extremely different from any prior incarnation of G1, and is certainly far more different from any prior version than any of the orginal G1 fictions (or even Dreamwave for that matter) differed from each other, if you follow my drift. The entire war/premise/scenario is radically different and most characters have different altmodes and/or transformation schemes. If the forthcoming live-action movie is being considered adequately different from G1 to be considered outside of the G1 continuity family, then I would argue that the IDWverse should be as well.

...Anyway, that gives you an idea of what I want to discuss. ;-) Can you please advise me how I could most effectively air these issues to the wider usership?

Thanks, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
===Central Discussion Area===
:Thanks for that to you and Steve-o. We've got a small trickle of discussion on my topic happening over there now. I invite you to join in. Thanks, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

==Blackarachnia 'vandalism'==
ENOUGH with the accusations of vandalism, alright? I'm a member of Ben Yee's Transformers board, and there was a discussion on BA's telekinesis in relation to her mind link with Tarantulas. Pretty much everyone on there agreed that the theory is viable (the thread has subsequently been deleted for a while, but I'm sure I can find it in the archives). I'm honestly shocked at how staunchly you guys are REFUSING to even consider it; all the evidence is right there clear as crystal in the cartoon. BA and Tarantulas shared a mind link with each other that lasted four episodes. The mind link went both ways and was forced on BA until it was terminated equally as forcefully in Tangled Web. BA retained, at the very least, a great deal of Tarantulas' memories after the link was severed. The link was so powerful, that Tarantulas felt the pain BA experienced from energon radiation when she threatened suicide, and would've destroyed them both through the link had she made good on her threat. The link was confirmed in dialogue to be psychic in nature, which is why Megatron didn't detect any communications transmissions when they used the link to communicate. And, miraculously, after she became TM2, BA gained telekinesis. Oh, and at ''no point'' is it stated that the TM2 process granted a Transformer new abilities besides enhancing their existing powers and granting them spark-powered healing abilities. Hence, BA's telekinesis must've come from ''somewhere'', and her former mind link with Tarantulas makes the most sense. If you want to talk about 'wild rumors', there's a thread on Ben Yee's boards on ''how'' Tarantulas initiated the link, with the most common theory that he 'downloaded' himself into her mind, which coincidentally further establishes the "BA's telekinesis was her mind link with Tarantulas upgraded" theory.[[User:66.233.183.59|66.233.183.59]] 23:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

* right, and all of the other theories and speculation remaining on the other wiki pages on this site are more substantiated. Please. Not only are many of them far fetched, but they don't even have one reference of evidence to support them. Watch Beast Wars again, and it's clear that this theory is implied in-show, if not stated directly. Seriously, I'm really starting to wonder if you guys even watch the shows, considering how little you seem to know about them.[[User:66.233.183.59|66.233.183.59]] 23:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

== CSS change ==

Hello Suiki, I'm requesting a change to the sitewide CSS file. I've tested these changes locally and everything seems to be working fine. Additionally- these changes are fully namespaced (which is to say they cannot cause accidental problems with other layout elements.)

Please edit the page at [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]], and replace everything after '''/* Teletran-1 specicic bits */''' with the full contents of the [[MediaWiki_talk:Monobook.css|CSS talk page]].

This update consists of the new styles for the tobedeleted template (now merged with the old markup for the cleanup template) as well as some Wikimedia-standard table styles.-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 00:45, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you. I'll work on the actual template text to put it more in line with your wishes. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

=== CSS change 2 ===
Adding the the requested [[Template:Merge]], the actual ''text'' of the template is subject tt change, but the CSS is finalized for the requested image.

Can you please replace everything in [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] between '''/* Teletran-1 specicic bits */''' and '''/* wikitable/prettytable class for skinning normal tables */''' with the contents of the discussion page: [[MediaWiki_talk:Monobook.css]]? (For the future, is it easier to do this in parts like this, or should I put the entire modified monobook css in the discussion page for a simple cut-and-paste?)

This also includes a general-purpose 'tt1_nowrap' class, since Steve-o was looking for a way to do that a month or so back. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

===CSS change 3===
NN. Think this is the ''last'' of the requested templates. Could you please replace the parts between '''/* Teletran-1 specicic bits */''' and '''.tt1_nowrap''' with the contents of the discussion page?

I'd put in links but- seriously, look up one paragraph. ;-) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
:Done! --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 01:54, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

===CSS change 4===
Replace between '''/* Teletran-1 specicic bits */''' and '''.tt1_nowrap''' with the contents of the discussion page?

Spoiler template ''someone'' suggested aeons ago, tough less obtrusive than the others. (I really hope this is the last one.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 04:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

===CSS change 5===
Hey Suki, could you add the following code to the end of the [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css|site Monobook file]]? The class is used by used the wikimedia-standard template [[Template:Reflist]].

<pre><nowiki>
/* small footnotes for the reflist template */

.references-small { font-size:92%; }
</nowiki></pre>
-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:It is done. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 02:08, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you! Also, thanks for the revision of the Don Murphy article (before I blanked it.) Your note that was only one of 3 producers prompted a last minute change to my own version to reflect that. (I should have known, because I was just reading an article about those 3 squabbling to take sole credit for TF's success in the press.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

== Help please! ==
Hello there,
I'm hoping you can help me out, please. For some reason which is quite beyond my
understanding, It'sWalky has blocked me from Teletraan 1 (Re: Block ID is #49). The stated reason is "vandalism", which is patently absurd. Although I have strived to be polite at
all times, he has made more thanone hostile comments towards me over recent months
and I must protest that this current block is thoroughly unreasonable.
If the action which he is referring to as so-called "vandalism" is the incident
I THINK he means, then I respecfully suggest that he is grossly overstepping his
authority and quite possibly just has something against me personally, although
heaven knows why...

All I have done was post a very SHORT, admittedly somewhat gratuitous comment on
TWO Movie-related pages regarding my opinion (which went against a consensus of
a small number of users in a Community Portal discussion) of Teletraan 1's odd
categorisation of the IDW comic continuity as part of the larger G1 continuity
while contradictorily excluding the new G1-inspired film. My felt that they
should either both be included under the G1 continuity umberella, or neither.

But regardless, I'm not here to argue my point; the comments were removed by
another user and I'm happy to leave it there, so as far as I'm concerned that
should have been the end of it. My remarks certainly were not in ANY way
obscene, abusive, or in offensive by any possible standard. How this can be
considered "vandalism" is very mysterious to me. Perhaps if we were on Wikipedia
or Wookieepedia and dealing with their very strict rules about personal opinion,
but this site is rife with sarcastic, POV, wry and humorous content. Jam-packed
full, actually. I mean, for goodness sake; if anyone's concerned about
potentially ojectionable material, then I'd hate to be a Japanese person reading
this wiki given all the jibes made at their expense. One of the things I've come
to LOVE about this wiki is its sense of humour and creative, organic style. To
call my minor snarkiness "vandalism" seems totally at odds with the mood of
Teletraan 1, in my honest opinion.

I reiterate that I feel that this block is thoroughly unreasonable and I believe
is some kind of gross overraction and/or personal grudge on the part of
It'sWalky, although I can't for the life of me understand how I could have
managed to provoke such apparent emnity.

Can you please help me out?

Thanks,
[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
:"All I have done is post a... gratuitous comment on TWO Movie-related pages regarding my opinion (which went against a consensus... of users in a Community Portal discussion)." I think that pretty much covers it. There was a consensus. You blatantly defied the consensus on the grounds that you disagreed with the ruling. That's vandalism. End of story. Right? [[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 00:06, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
::There was consensus to leave it be. But not consensus on the issue itself. I think the movie belongs in the Generation 1 continuity family. IIRC so does Steve-o, and he's the most logical guy on the wiki. However- there's really not enough to say for sure one way or the other.
::Now, I think as sequels and more tie-ins pileup, the movieverse will become more and more G1-like to the point the argument will resolve itself in our favor. Less a consensus than ''dente'', "hold waiting further evidence."
::Of course, PacifistPrime wasn't around last time we went five rounds on the issue, so the subtlties of the 'both sides give up without having convinced the other' situation may have escaped him.
::That said Paci, it's bad form to go running to the other site admin before Walky even has a chance to reply. You don't even knwo what Walky banned you for, how is Suki supposed to pass judgement on whether or nto to override his fellow admin? Wait until Walky replies to clarify his reasoning, ''then'' disagree with him.
::It's polite to assume Walky's acting from a reasoned standpoint at least until you can ''prove'' it's his uterus making him crazy. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:34, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::With all due respect, Derik, I DID wait a few days for Walky to reply, and he's just ignored my email. [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
::::Mistake #1. Derik does not have due respect. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::I've reposted the content of the email on his talk page in the hopes that will get a response, but it hasn't so far. Given that I've now been blocked for something on the order of a week or possibly more, I think it's hardly unreasonable for me to take this up with another admin, surely? And if you want to talk about what's "polite", I think it would hardly have been too much to ask for Walky to have at least put some kind of short note on my talk page explaining his overzealous block, don't you think?

:::Oh, and Awa, are you seriously telling me that "defying" the consensus of a small group of users with two SMALL comments (that I obviously knew would just get deleted straight away anyway) constitutes "vandalism"? Worthy of getting blocked over? For real?
:::[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
::::I received no such email from you. And yell all you want on the talk pages. That's what they're for. Evidence may eventually shift your way! But, in the meantime, dumping your vitrolic grievances on the articles themselves is unacceptable. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:32, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::Paci... Paci... Paci... I gave you a perfectly good excuse of not having been part of the discussion last time and misunderstanding the consensus to hide behind... and you throw it all away.
:::::And for the rest- don't post something in the main article you know is going to be deleted <strike>without logging out first</strike>, post something that encourages your opponents, however grudgingly, to include that perspective in the article even if they rewrite your words. That's part of carrying on a conversation, creating truth through consensus. Anything else... is just throwing feces.
:::::Also, if you ''really'' want to get Walky's attention, hit him on [http://www.shortpacked.com/ his blog], not via e-mail. He allows anonymous posting! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
...! I'm baffled.

So now I'm being accused of "vitriolic grievances", "throwing feces" and "yelling".

What utter rubbish.

I have been polite at every turn, and the very WORST I can reasonably be accused of is sarcasm (in one isolated indicent, on the aforementioned two comments on movie pages, ONLY), something which hardly seems a foreign concept to this wiki.

Walky, I sent you an email the only way I knew how: I used the "email this user" button and clicked send. I got the sender's carbon copy just fine, so I can't explain why you didn't recieve it too. If I used the system incorrectly then I apologise, but I had no reason to believe that it hadn't worked. Oh, and Derik, if your comment "if you ''really'' want to get Walky's attention, hit him on his blog, not via e-mail. He allows anonymous posting" is intentded to be some kind of oblique suggestion that I have an interest in harassing Walky; pleeease! I have much better things to do with my time, for goodness sakes. And as I've explained to Walky in the past; I have zero interest whatsoever in blogs.

I am still amazed that any of this is considered reasonable grounds to actually BLOCK me. Do you guys have a "0.5 Strikes & yer out!" policy or something? Considering all the casual rudeness that goes around on the talk pages here, I find it hard to believe that my treatment reflects standard policy. Or do you treat everyone like this?

Could someone PLEASE do me the simple courtesy of giving me a reasonable explanation why I deserve to be blocked? And its that it? As far as I can tell my block is permanent. Is this so?

I am NOT a troublemaker, even though you seem to have already tried and convicted me as such. All I want to do is be a part of this wiki, make small contributions, start the occasional article and have polite, rational discussions. Am I really to be banned for using a little sarcasm...?

[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

P.S. Given that I addressed all of this to SukiBrits in the first place, I'd really appreciate it if Suki would weigh in at some point too, please. I'd really like to resolve this tiresome matter ASAP.

:''Could someone PLEASE do me the simple courtesy of giving me a reasonable explanation why I deserve to be blocked?'' You were blocked for intentionally, blatantly defying the consensus of a protracted discussion which you instigated and in which you were the only person advocating your position. It was extremely un-gentlemanly, and moderately pissy. Based on what you've written in the last couple days, I can accept that you were just "lashing out" and didn't really expect your comments to stay in the articles, but personally I still consider that to be disrespectful. You shouldn't make an edit which you know/expect will be reverted. I thought the 3-month duration on your block was excessive (and it's now been reduced), but I don't think being blocked in the first place, temporarily, is beyond reason for something like that. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:43, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Other users, including the admin who banned you in the first place, have already weighed in on ''why'' you were banned. I was not responsible for doing it, so frankly, anything further I have to say on the subject would just be repeating the same. I think it's perfectly clear as it is.

I was going to post something about how I'd stick up for you if you actually gave me good reason to, but as it is, the terms of your ban have been changed to something shorter. As it is, you're back in a week. If I were you, I'd sit back and ask myself if it's ''really'' worth fighting over that.

So there's your second chance. If you come back in a week and respect what your fellow editors have told you not to do, you'll be fine. And if there really ''is'' something unfair, I'll listen and advocate for you. But I would keep in mind that you're on thin ice as it is, and playing this victim crap isn't going to help you out much. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 23:23, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

:He was whiny about it too. It's not like his approach was "seriously guys, this seems excessive and can I talk about it and demonstrate that your impression of my maturity was incorrect," it was really more "Noo! this is so ''unfair''! Why me? You all suck and I shouldn't be held accountable for my actions b'cause I knew someone else was going to clean up my slop!"
:It's probably ''fortunate'' that the original penalty was (accidentally?) excessive-- because opening the floor for a reassessment of penalties based on conduct you do not dispute and then acting like a ''whiny bitch'' practically '''begs''' for an admin to make it ''longer.''
:<small>(Why yes, i was arguing in his favor earlier! I like to cause trouble like that.)</small> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

::Oh, great: so now I'm a "''whiny bitch''" who's playing "''victim crap''", apparently.

::Charming! My goodness me, you people really are a hostile bunch aren't you?

::So, let me get this straight; [[User:FFN|FFN]] can rag on my ass every other week simply because he disagrees with me, but If I DARE to protest that I have been unreasonably treated over a sarcastic misdemeanor, then I'm a goddamn deviant leper, right? Unbelieveable...

::Okay, YES, I did a bad thing. I admit it was uncalled for, defying the consensus of, oh, about five people? Given the wide, nay EXTENSIVE use of sarcasm and fecetious comments all over this wiki I honestly didn't think it would be such a damn big deal. But okay, whatever. It was wrong, fair enough. MY BAD. All I have done since is POLITELY protest my treatment over this matter and all I've got in return is mockery, name-calling and outright hostility. I mean, seriously...! Talk about disproportionate reactions at every turn.

::[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

:::Sir, I would hardly call your behavior at this point "polite". I thought Suki's comment was a little much at this point because the matter had been resolved. I asked her to say something because you'd asked, but I didn't know what all she had to say.

:::Regardless, though, please cease the hostilities? Play the better man and ignore what may be said to you at this point. In only a week you'll be able to edit and work again, and then you can prove your worth that way. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 02:37, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Oh, so now I'M the one being hostile? How do you figure? Have I called anyone names like "whiny bitch"? No, that would be YOU guys. Have I accused other people of being "pissy" and "throwing feces"? Nup, that'd be you lot too.

::::But of course, if I have the sheer audacity to stand up for myself, well that just can't possibly be polite, I take it...

::::What a terrible, terrible person I must be. Next time I'll know to just shut up and take the abuse gratefully, since that's obviously all you folks will tolerate. [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:::::"[[Wikipedia:Martyr complex|Mew mew mew mew mew mew mew!]]"
::::: '''Not once''' have you apologized for or even acknowledged that you should be held culpable for defacing an article. You remand restitution while sneering that you should not have been punished in the first place. You throw a '''tantrum''' when someone, such as myself, tells you "Gee, while it may be true your punishment was excessive, you're acting like a whiny brat which makes me have no sympathy for you." I'm not calling for you to be re-banned- I'm pointing out a defect in your behavior I '''really''' wish you would fix in the future.
::::: Are you sure you don't want to change your user name to PassiveAgressivePrime?
::::: I don't really care what your original offense was, because you're being a colossal asshole right here, right now. ''It's a bad idea to go around pissing people off while appealing a punishment''. Just- in general. I started out basically on your side and you have none-too-gradually dis-endeared yourself of me.
::::: Please amend your stricken holier-than-thou attitude in the future. It's '''really''' annoying, and it's not at all conducive to an actual discussion of what you did or didn't do and what punishment is appropriate. It makes me want to shut you up by squashing you.
::::: And '''I'm''' the unhealthily detached one. I can't ''imagine'' what it makes someone who thinks with his woman-parts like Walky want to do. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:09, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
It's interesting how I'm apparently the "colossal asshole" when it's you guys who are actually doing all the insult-hurling and name-calling. I haven't made one personal comment in this whole affair. Funny, that...

Oh, and for ther record, I HAVE apologised. More than once, actually. Get your facts straight, please.

But "PassiveAgressivePrime" is GOLD, by the way. I'd definitely declare that a genius call if it weren't such a laughable assertion.

Anyway, I've got much better things to do that take this abuse any longer. Think what you will.

Later, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

:hahaha i just noticed this. GOODBYE TO ALL MY WIKI FRIENDS FOREVER!!! [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

== 3d Website ==

I remembered that you showed an interest in the Blackthorne scans and were disappointed.
Hope this is more your alley.
http://www.3dtransformers.com/ -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, I've seen that, actually. Thanks, though, it IS pretty neat. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 13:35, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

==Stubs==
I'm not arguing against removing the tag from G1 Bumblebee's page, but is there some hard-and-fast rule about what actually makes an article a stub? Feels silly asking this, and Wikipedia's article on the subject supports the "common sense" method, but I'm nothing if not stupidly cautious. I asked Walky once and he said "Empty headings = stub!", which I took to mean as "irregardless of the article length and other content".
Then again, maybe he gave such a short answer because it's a ridiculous question. But here I am asking anyway. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 23:38, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:I think that's a pretty good standard- if portions of the article are still stubbed in without even a overall summary, I think it qualifies as a stub. :(I agree with you that an article stops begin a stub '''before'' it is exhaustively complete.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:It's an article that's just been started and has a long way to go before completion. That's basically the definition; nothing further has been discussed or agreed on, and I don't think we NEED anything more than that. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 23:43, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
::For clarification, I believe the article in question at the time was very much as Bumblebee's is now. It's more-or-less complete, with an introduction and many sections filled in with detail, but it also had a noteworthy number of sections that were just headers with no content.
::I ought to have been more clear with Walky way back when, I suppose. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 23:45, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I guess this is a discussion we DO need to have, then.
:::Wikipedia generally uses seperate stub templates for ''sections'' which aren't complete. I don't know if that's best for us, but I generally envision the stub category as being something that someone can look through for articles where ''anything'' can be added to them to be helpful; unlike Bumblebee, which while still not complete, is far from being in that state. If we really need something to indicate that the ''whole article'' isn't complete, maybe some distinction would be helpful. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 23:50, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
::::I also want to add that I don't really feel that strongly on the matter. But I guess we probably should reach some sort of conclusion. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 00:00, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::I think another separate tag would be best. "Stub", as shown, could lead to more confusion down the road, but not tagging the articles I think could lead to people scanning them and not noticing empty sections which they would otherwise be able to fill in. This certainly isn't a large concern, however...
:::::This came up because of the apparent selection of Bumblebee as a featured article. Do we have some way of noting that, to spur work on it ensuring it's completed "in time"? I imagine if it's not done by July it will just be pushed back until later, but I don't see a problem in encouraging work on the Wiki. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 00:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

== Hello ==
*Hello Brits this is Troyb a admin and buericrate of your new sister or whatever wiki, its called transfanon and we need you to place the news on the front page so that we can get more users, thank you. Also I'll give you a link tommorow.[[User:Troyb|Troyb]]<sup>[[User talk:Troyb|(CIS ShadowFeed)]] [[Special:Contributions/User:Troyb|contribs]]</sup>[[Image:Troyb2.jpg|20px]] 22:59, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
: No, thank you. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:19, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

*O.k. why not (Sigh...)[[User:Troyb|Troyb]]<sup>[[User talk:Troyb|(CIS ShadowFeed)]] [[Special:Contributions/User:Troyb|contribs]]</sup>[[Image:Troyb2.jpg|20px]] 00:45, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

:Because... your fanon wiki appears to have absolutely nothing to do with actual Transformers. If it was fanon in the sense of a bunch of speculation or something, trying to fill in gaps or retcon errors... I could see linking to it someplace, as that might be useful to fans who are looking for information. But it appears to be basically a wiki for your personal fanfic or something. We don't just link to random fanfics, so why would we link to that wiki? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 14:26, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

*Fine fine fine. But it seems you hate fanon. So '''fanon hater''' I shall leave.[[User:Troyb|Troyb]]<sup>[[User talk:Troyb|(CIS ShadowFeed)]] [[Special:Contributions/User:Troyb|contribs]]</sup>[[Image:Troyb2.jpg|20px]] 21:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

==Main page links==
Hi Suki Brits. I hope you don't mind, but I added redirects to the TV and Toys pages that you'd previously deleted since these were linked from the main page and might be useful for people to find articles on those topics. [[User:Angela|Angela]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Angela|talk]]) 00:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

== Talk:User talk:69.234.144.73 ==

Could you click on the article link on [[Talk:User talk:69.234.144.73]] and complete the edit that it pops up with so we can get rid of the red link? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:03, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:It would be a red link even if she did. We've broken fundamental laws of wiki reality, man.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 03:09, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::tested it on my talk page, and it does seem to break Wikiality. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:19, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:::However it's still a redlink, in spite of your talk page undeniably existing. It's uncharted territory. If it gets any weirder it'll require Furmanisms to describe it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 03:20, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::::The link is hovering there, on the page, like a vast predatory bird... -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 08:31, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::::That, or... talking like William... Shatner. --...[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:30, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::Suki did it. It's ''over''. FINISHED.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 13:45, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::For me, personally... IT NEVER ENDS! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:45, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Let me give it the worst case of INDIGESTION it's ever had! --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 18:48, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:God, I'm choking on all the [[Furmanism]] here. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 19:25, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
But if Walky can survive the tide of Furmanisms CAN WE DO LESS?--[[User:Chiasaur11|Chiasaur11]]

==Sorry for the IP Jumper and Hacker==
Sorry for my Brother you blocked due to his obsession of war units. He was arrested for hacking into my computer and murdering to many US troopers so don't worry of him. Hey who changed my name to Spearhead? My brother the IP Jumper is executed yesterday for hacking and lets all including you celebrate a party for the execution of the hacker. I promise to be nicer than that other guy as long as I visit.(Spearhead 04:44, 7 October 2007 (UTC))

== So I don't lose this link ==

http://web.archive.org/web/20020624181245/lostfactor.net/depot/tfnames.html

== new comic nav ==

I think I've got a new comic nav template for the Marvel issues fully working. [[User:FortMax/Template:Comicnav]] It also has the option of no link for the second series allowing for when linking the previous and next issues for a reprint of an older story.

I also checked the list at TFArchive.com, and there was only one Marvel US issue that had more than two Transformer stories. One was part of a US comic, the 2nd was the last part of a UK story and the 3rd was the first part of a UK story. For the navbox for the 2nd story, we should link "next" to the 3rs story and link "previous" for the 3rd story to the 2nd story. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

==Assaulthead==
[[user:76.171.178.17|He's back]]. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:19, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
:This is really one of those times where I'm happy to be beaten to the punch. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 07:59, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
:[[User:ItsWalkys Mom is a bitch|And again]]. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:00, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

== We have a Kreemzeek sockpuppet ==

[[User:Fire Convoy]] --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:54, 17 January 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

User talk:Chris McFeely

2008-01-21T21:02:46Z

76.247.218.198: /* Missed one. */

User talk:Suki Brits

2008-01-21T21:02:03Z

76.247.218.198: SHIT REMOVED

User:SFH

2008-01-21T21:01:23Z

76.247.218.198: Replacing page with 'FUCK ME BECAUSE I FUCK WALKYS BITCH MOM'

FUCK ME BECAUSE I FUCK WALKYS BITCH MOM<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

MediaWiki talk:Images

2008-01-21T21:00:14Z

76.247.218.198: New page: Can someone create this?

Can someone create this?<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>