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2007-09-26T03:09:45Z

76.247.222.101: Military Personality

Should the mention of ''Cybertron'' as the most recent incarnation of Transformers be replaced by ''Classics''? [[User:Amadeus|Amadeus]] 19:39, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and changed it from ''[[Cybertron]]'' to ''[[Classics]]''. [[User:Amadeus|Amadeus]] 19:42, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

:I'm going to change it to the movie line, but do we really want to have to constantly update this? Maybe it should be removed altogether.

:Also, I daresay this is no longer a stub. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 06:54, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

== Split Species / Toyline? ==

Just wondering if there was support for splitting this into two articles "Transformers (species)" and "Transformers (toyline)" or if folks prefered it as the one joint article? [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 14:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

:I support a split. Although "toyline" isn't the right word... and neither is franchise. They both already have established meanings in our nomenclature. "Brand" would probably be best. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:25, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

:: "Brand" seems to be the word Hasbro uses. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:39, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry... did you just say the Transformers aren't robots? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:13, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
: Uh, yeah. Mr. IP Address, aren't the tagline "robots in diguise", the term "robot mode", and four whole lines referring to the Transformers as robots right in their titles enough to convince you that's what they are? --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:23, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

:: A robot, by definition, is ..."1. A mechanical device that sometimes resembles a human and is capable of performing a variety of often complex human tasks on command or by being programmed in advance. 2. A machine or device that operates automatically or by remote control. 3. A person who works mechanically without original thought, especially one who responds automatically to the commands of others." Try arguing with the American Heritage Dictionary, and then read the phrase "species of robot" and tell me it sounds intelligent. The Transformers are self aware and under nobody's control. Thus, they are not robots.

:: Also, the fact that children almost always associate the term "robot" with something like the Transformers means that Hasbro was and still is smart enough to market their product with that subtitle.

::: Uh, how about the fact that Transformers themselves referred to insecticide that works on other Transformers as [[Robotic insecticide]], if you want self-reference by characters in the fiction? --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:58, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

::: "And if we're talking unnatural life forms, we gotta be talking about just one thing! ''Robots in disguise!''" - Cheetor, first episode of ''Beast Wars'' --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:18, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

:::: I had a valid retaliation in store, but I believe "sentient robot," which has been edited in, sums everything up. Sorry for the disagreement. -{{unsigned|71.98.142.204}}

== Military Personality ==

Through the timeline the Autobots and Decepticons had been featured military personality. IG Sir Yes Sir. Roger That. Affirmative.

Usually commanders stay behind at HQ and let their fucking lackies do the fighting. Not lead a team into battle. IG Optimus and Megatron lead their armies to battle each other and they fight in battle. In Transformers Armada the 2 leaders are supposed to stay at their HQs and let their fucking troops do battle and get the fucking mini-cons. Not make personal appearences.(76.247.222.101 00:57, 26 September 2007 (UTC))

What does that have to do with the Main Page...or anything regarding this wiki? -- SFH 00:59, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I meant whats happening during the series. Have you notice military commanders are supposed to stay behind while their troops are doing their work? The Big army thing had been featured in Armada.

There are no less than ten separate series detailed on this wiki, and it's not really relevant to this page to discuss any of them directly as this talkpage is about the layout and formatting of the main page of this wiki. It is not a general discussion board about Transformers.--Rosicrucian 01:06, 26 September 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Main Page

2007-09-26T01:01:58Z

76.247.222.101: /* Military Personality */

<span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:100px;line-height:100px;font-weight:900;">THE FUNNY STAYS.</span>
-The Management

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==Archives==
[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive1|Archive1]]

==Movie Nav Box==

The navigation box we have for Movie pages really needs an overhaul. Especially now that we have four [[Online games]] (not counting the Sector 7 Hungry Dragon thing) and the nav box points to [[Battle for the Allspark]] as THE online game. What should we do with it? --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 00:59, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

==Featured Article for July==

What should we start polishing up to be next month's Featured Article? It needs to be something relevant for people finding this site after seeing the movie? How about [[Bumblebee (G1)]], as it covers the history behind the film's most prominent robot? --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:53, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
: Sure, works for me. We've got our work cut out for us, though! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:56, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Is no one up to filling out Bumblebee's Dreamwave, Legends anthology, Dreamwave Transformers/GI Joe, Devil's Due, or Hearts of Steel sections? I'm poking around to see who would be relevant as a featured article for while the movie's out if we're not up to completing Bumblebee... -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 05:55, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
::We could always just go with G1 Prime or Megatron. Both of those more than qualify, I think. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 07:28, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
::: Megatron's pretty close. I think we just need some filling out of his cartoon exploits. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:36, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

:::: He needs TF/G.I. Joe, G.I. Joe vs. TF, and Hearts of Steel filled out too. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 02:52, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
::::: Hearts of Steel writeup: "There was art of him in the supplemental materials!" --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::: ...Two designs for a guy who didn't even show... Dang it.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 08:05, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

== Movie Launch==

Hey Guys, Was wondering if you were going to put anything on the home page about the movie launching tonight? I was going to put this wiki in the spotlight starting Friday to promote it, but I think its needs a more recognizable logo so people will click on it. [[User:Angies|angies]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Angies|talk]]) 19:25, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

:I've put something on the front page now. I had wanted to get this done last week, but I never had the time, and then most of the staff were at the [[BotCon 2007|Transformers convention]] for four or five days. It needs work, but it's there, at least. It would be great if we could have a spotlight! --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 16:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

== The Funny ==

Maybe if the stuff you said was funny, no one would have a problem with it, but most of the jokes on here are pretty lame, it's not about transformers fans being serious, it's about your jokes being bad. When other people try to put there humor in it, you erase it. Sooooo make the jokes funny and you wont have to worry about it. Besides the Real Wikipedia has more information on transformers than the one dedicated to transformers have, what gives. Maybe before you work on your lame jokes you can fill out the information on the article. Sorry just what I think about it, don't take to much offence. {{unsigned|67.140.110.210}}

:Humor is subjective. Pesonally, I consider most of the jokes on this site to be neutral. They are clearly trying to be silly, but neither funny nor painful. They merely lighten the tone. Users who show up here and do nothing but change jokes into different jokes are clearly not accomplishing anything. The new jokes are never any better -- they are merely different, and often worse. That is a waste of everybody's time. I haven't spent a lot of time browsing Transformers material on Wikipedia, but I highly doubt that their information is ''better'', even if there might be a larger quantity of it. What little I've seen there has been disorganized, mixes fan assertions with canon, and is at times not even reliable. ''If'' they have more information than we do, it is only because people have been adding TF info there for at least twice as long as this specialized wiki has existed. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

::Yep, this wiki is a far more reliable source of information for Transformers than the Wikipedia shall ever be. I've corrected some of their base assumptions and half-truths upon occassion. If we lack information for something, '''then feel free to contribute''' to our wiki or wait for one of us to get around to it. Really, what the Wikipedia offers is rather generalised information and (as steve-o points out) fan-assumed fanon and downright false information. Besides, we provide the Transformers info that the users on the wikipedia either don't know or won't bother with, such as info on the toys, their designers, toy construction materials, obscure series and/or characters and so on.
:: And yes, we think captioning a picture of say, Megatron with 'Art of Megatron' or some such is really patronising. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

==Logos for 'By series' column==
I was uploading some logos for the franchise pages, and it got me thinking - the By series column on the main page is basically a bunch of text, and for either visual-minded people or those who aren't as familiar with TF, it can be confusing. How about we get brand/franchise logos for all the series so far and put them into the column? The logos would be easier to see and recognisable.

I made [http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/166/logosbyseriesec4.jpg this] - the logos there are at 250px, but I later reduced that to 150px and they still seem fine (unless you've a super-high resolution on a less than super-large monitor). Its quite rough there, series logos are missing (and I've not actually changed the page itself), but what do you guys think? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:01, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

:I like the idea. I think the execution needs xome more work of course but having the logos there definately makes the page nicer looking.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 19:21, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
::The logos need to be much, much smaller. That looks not so visually appealing. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

::If the logos were reduced a little more, I think it would be alright to remove the text and go with just logos. (And giving them TITLE/ALT attributes, of course.) --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 03:26, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::
::They need to not have backgrounds, and it's going to be a real hassle to get rid of the Classics one. I think the idea could be doable, although the mockup does not look good at all. It could potentially be very ugly and I think we need to be careful. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 03:30, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::So we're doing this for every series title? ''Awesome''! And it's gonna have no text? ''Awesome''! And what are we doing for Japanese series?
:::(I saw this done with all the Japanese titles on Cyberbon a few years back. Turns out that bereft of some visual cue to tell you what series you're talking about- every TF logo after Masterforce looks the same.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:46, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::::I suspect that may not be a problem, given that we do not actually have any Japanese titles on the main page. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 03:54, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::Yeah I'll need your help, anyway since I am shithouse at photoshop now and I can't get rid of the backgrounds myself. Also we're still missing logos for Beast Machines, RID and king of hard to track down, G2. We have so few images on the first page that I think, if done right, this could look very nice. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:30, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

:::::Logos so far, and I guess they'll all need to be converted, except for the movie logo:

:::::[[Image:G1logo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:G2Logo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:BWlogo.jpg|left|90px]]
:::::[[Image:RIDlogo.png|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Armadalogo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Energonlogo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Universelogo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Cybertron-Logo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Classicslogo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Transformers2007logomodified.png|left|150px]]
:::::[[Image:Transformersanimated franchise logo.png|left|100px]]
{{-}}
::::::You might have my help... if I thought it was a good idea. Remember you need to do Headmasters, Masterforce, Victory, Zone, Battlestars, Return of Convoy, JG2, BW2, BWN, Robotmasters, Binaltech, Kiss-Player, etc. And they somehow have to communicate what series they refer to despite lacking any English text.
::::::Also-also, I assuem that clicking on these logos is supposed to take you to their respective franchise pages? Clicking on an image takes you to the info page for that image. It's a wikipedia fundamental. You need to find a way around that. Have fun!-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:37, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::: Don't all those Japanese series fall under the umbrella of G1 or BW anyway? And, as it has been so repeatedly stated, this predominantly an American TF wiki, so I don't think we need to list EVERY TF cartoon ever made, for even with just text links it would be very, very long. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:56, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::: If you're just linking to the continuity-families, you shouldn't have 3 images for the UT then. Clearly that threw me off. Of course, if this is by Continuity family, we don't need Classics either- it's part of G1.
:::::::: Franchise or continuity family, pick a standard. (and if i'm coming off as Difficult, it's because I think this is a bad idea- but like a lot of bad ideas I'm over-ruled on, if it's goign to be done I'd like to see it done '''well''', or at least consistently.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::There's no logo for UT, unless we make one up, which would be fanart. And those three series are far more well known and arguably more important to American Transformers than the entire Japanese TF continuity. But, if you can come up with the brand/franchise logos for Headmasters, Masterforce, Victory, Zone, Battlestars, BW The Second, BW Neo and on, then we'll do it your way. Not sure how big the 'By series' list will end up being, however. We may have to end up redesigning the main page. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::No love for the BM "clawed-winged gear" logo? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:07, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::I couldn't find an appropriate image to use, and I didn't have time to edit one out of something. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::: Looking at that tall list of images leaves me highly skeptical. This list is going to be ''huge.'' It's going to completely dominate the main page and throw everything off entirely. Don't get me wrong, I'm not particularly fond of the way the main page is laid out right now, it was very much something thrown together in twenty minutes; but without an actual redesign (or even with one, it takes up a whole screen on my computer), I don't see that huge-ass list working out. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 14:23, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yes, now that I see the images on top of each other, I also think this isn't a great idea anymore. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::And that's ''without'' Machine Wars, Beast Machines, Dinobots and Timelines. And then throw in Animorphs, SWTF and Titanium (not to mention the new Universe and other future lines). That column would be taller than almost all monitors can display. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::::''I get it.'' Which is why I only wanted to do it for the series we have at the moment. I wonder, why are you guys suggesting, all of a sudden, series that weren't even there before? If they weren't important enough for inclusion in the column in the first place, why bother to list every TF series ever made now, if only to use them as a means to derail my (evidently) poorly thought out idea? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:55, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, less appealing than I thought it might be. I DO definately believe the Main page could use some redesign and more pictures/visual interest. This just may not be the best way to add that.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 15:22, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

:I made them smaller, but I see FFN has ''failed''! :O Is there any way to allow the images to link to the articles in question? It would free up clutter if we had the American logos and do away with the text saying what it is. As for placement, I think IF the By series column were to have logos, it would work better if we swapped its location with the 'Top level categories' column. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::It could work... if we reformatted the main page so instead of the vertical list there was a box, with the logos filling up rows and columns. G1 at the top-left and then so on. Just a thought. If it eats up the whole screen, nevermind. --[[User:209.101.152.114|209.101.152.114]] 17:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll take a look at the image placement markup later. I don't THINK you can make clicking on them take you someplace else... but maybe it'll surprise me. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:37, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:I checked, it can't be done. Sorry. I think you can make the pic info page re-direct you... but there are several well-founded reasons why you wouldn't want to do that. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:01, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

The funny is awesome.Learn to laugh.

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== New Prime Image ==

I have replaced the crappy and blurred Prime image on the main page with a much better version. Hope there are no objections. [[User:OptimusPrime|OptimusPrime]] 18:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
:I strongly object. That image is huge and it completely breaks the layout of the front page. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:02, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps you are right. But I still suggest that the image be replaced or removed entirely. Many images exist on the site that are far better, and could be put to use in its place. Also, the presence of the image on the page causes the Welcome sign to be askew, and makes it look like a bit of a botch job. [[User:OptimusPrime|OptimusPrime]] 18:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
:What do you mean, askew? It's not *supposed* to be in the center of the page... is that all you mean? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 18:18, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
::How about a size-reduced pic of that close up of Prime's head from the international posters? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I dislike the current main image, a blurry (imo) close-up of Movie Prime's face. I suggest [[:Image:Wotf g1 movie primal.jpg|this image]] from Takara's Tf site instead. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:That's gonna look pretty awful when small, since that image is gonna go in that little feature-box on the right-hand side of the screen. Any way to get a pic from the bit just before that with those three in close-up without the "WORLD OF TRANSFORMERS" on it? That should shrink down way better while still being legible. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:16, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:That's actually 3 seperate pieces of close-up art. I can scrape those and re-create it though. Do you want the starfield behind it, or a transparent background? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:25, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
::Hm. Yyyyyeah, starfield, I think. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:29, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Okie, Starfield is up at the previously-linked location. Transparent is [[:Image:G1 movie primal.png|here]], and I think it looks better. (Thought his gamma might be too agressive.) If we made it the main image it'd probably be nice to round and fade the edges a bit. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
It's seriously ''not'' a good picture. (The only reason I objected to the first guy's replacement was because it was like a whole screen tall.) I was really wondering when someone was going to replace it with something better. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 01:35, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:How about that close up of Prime's movie CG head from the international movie posters? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:39, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

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== Popular Culture? ==

Maybe it's just me, but I think it might be a good idea to include a page that features the various references made to the Transformers franchise in different forms of media and popular culture, i.e. Optimus Prime's cameo in ''The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy''; Prime and Soundwave on ''Family Guy''; the "Rad Rad Robotank" that's appeared every once in a while in ''Homestar Runner'', etc. Anyone else think so?

:Hell yeah, seconded! One of my favorite bits of Wookieepedia is checking out all the different star wars references they catch and list. Seeing a list of real-world transformer references, cameos and sightings would be sweet. Hell, I think it would be fascinating just to see TF sightings. "Oh, so the toy that kid was playing with in this obscure movie was just a <insert TF here> that the prop department repainted. Neat."

:I am... a bit wary of such a thing. A centralized list of pop culture refs would be enormous and very hard to manage, and probably boring. I could see maybe having shorter lists in relevant individual articles -- like, on G1 Soundwave's page, a list of refs to him in particular -- but that would remove some of the usefulness of listing them in the first place, because there wouldn't be an easy way to find them all. How does Wookiepedia do it? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 19:06, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

:: I'm also wary for the same reasons I don't want us to handle unofficial stuff like fan-conventions and books... at what point does something become not noteworthy enough to mention? Are we going to list every last damn insignificant webcomic or unfunny comedian who says HEY REMEMBER TRANSFORMERS?! --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

:::We see this sort of thing pop up often enough in forums. And frankly, the Wookieepedia's listing of SW references in pop culture is (and I apologise to the people who compiled them) rather boring. And personally, I never want to see Family Guy referenced on this wiki. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:59, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

::::I'm torn. I agree in principle with everything the naysayers have naysaid. And yet, I want somewhere I can document that <i>Spaceballs: The Lunchbox</i> was a TF lunchbox with the Spaceballs logo slapped on it, and there was an Insecticon among the pile of toys the kid in <i>Flight of the Navigator</i> gets. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 05:27, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

::::''I never want to see Family Guy referenced on this wiki''<br>
::::I just feel this bears repeating. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 08:49, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::Looks like you have some caption-editing to do then. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:47, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

::::::COULD IT BE? Somebody on the internet who '''doesn't''' like Family Guy? *shocked* I could swear I was the only one! --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I told you guys, '''I NEVER WANT TO SEE FAMILY GUY REFERENCED ON THIS WIKI'''. I hate that show and the fact that if you're our age you 'have' to be a fan of it and its limited sense of humour. I think we should discourage people from adding more references beyond the ones we have right now, and just delete ones made by random, unregistered users. We don't reference every time Transformers have appeared on television that isn't a Transformers show so we don't have to reference every instance time they appear on Family Guy. *SHAKES FIST* --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:Okaaaaay...-- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 06:01, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
::Don't force me to resort to fisticuffs! --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:05, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I think, in the interest of fairness and with awareness of the "slippery-slope", that pop-culture references should generally be stricken outside of certain special circumstances where there's some kind of "official" link... like, say, the Megatron/Jetfire cameo in the old Marvel G.I. Joe comic. Thanks to the web and eighty billion cable channels, allowing any "unofficial" pop-culture would mean we'd be looking at a very Wikipedia-esque "notability" (read: "well, '''I'VE''' never heard of it!") kind of judgment call being taken every time someone puts up a vanity link because they made a Transformers joke in their little flash animation on Newgrounds.<br>
I'm not adverse to having an article ON the fact that TFs is now a popular callback for the nostalgia remoras out there, noting the timing of the "surges" of things transforming into robots as a reference/parody/imitation... but not some list of 'em all. It's the same stance we ''should'' have on any other unofficial work, yes? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:Some of our articles reference or link Walky's Shortpacked and Don Murphy's article uses a panel from the old 'Don Murphy knees Ethan in the chest' comic as its main pic. Should those be edited in line with this policy? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:12, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
::I'd say yes. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:49, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I'd say, "it depends". It shoundn't be linked to just for the hell of it, but if a case arises where a Shortpacked! strip -- like any other external page -- provides a cogent illustration of something, I think it should be fine to link to that. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Some anonymous, nameless editor at the top raises a good question; how ''does'' Wookieepedia deal with this? I mean, I'm guessing that they have to deal with a whole friggin' lot more than we do, so if they handle it well, they might have an already established set of standards we can modify.

I don't like the idea of having a giant, unmaintainable mess of pointless cruft and I don't think ''I'' would ever be interested in any modern pop culture appearances of Transformers; but that doesn't mean that there aren't ''other'' people who would be interested in a list like that.

(There was also someone else, elsewhere, who raised a good point: what about references to Transformers that ''aren't'' from the last few years? I mean, I don't give a damn about Soundwave on Family Guy and I don't think anyone else here does, either, but what about the more obscure references from Beast Wars and earlier? Those are interesting just because they can potentially illustrate Transformers in pop culture in earlier periods of time, to contrast with now; which certainly seems to ME like it has value.) --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 07:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

:I'd mentioned stuff along that line in #wiigii!... I do think, say, that Razorbeast was on ''Fresh Prince of Bel Aire'' (which I never cared for in all honesty, and I had Fresh Prince albums on steady play growing up) or that ''The Powerpuff Girls'' had an extended CGI tribute/parody of ''Beast Machines'' are WAYYYYY more significant than any TF reference made in the past five years because the HEY LOOK THING YOU REMEMBER wasn't a popular comedy substitute then. At that point, who gave a fuck about Transformers... or about the Eighties, for that matter? Aside from VH1? But it's the ol' slippery-slope again if it goes outside of a "centralized" article that mentions such occurrences within the context of time and doens't try to be a comprehensive list of references. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:49, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

::Wookipedia lists EVERYTHING oh my GOD the pages are huge. They divide it by medium. Every single refence, from American Dad to Webcomics. It's... it's a giant monument to how you don't want to spend your time.

:::Yep, like I said, the wookipedia's list is really, really huge, and really, really boring, no offense to the people who took the time to compile it. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:19, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Lord, and I can barely work up the drive to make articles on actual official TF episodes. And my ''career'', which I enjoy a lot, is basically "make giant lists of boring minutae". The idea that we'd have a complete list of every unfunny TF gag puked out by Adult Swim shows but not, say, a completed series of ''Beast Wars'' episode articles is fucking ''depressing''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 09:12, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

::::Still, it would keep that crap out of the articles proper, and it might be a nice harmless magnet for the people who want to come in and just write one or two lines, aside from just changing captions. Being so unimportant, it's not the sort of thing you'd feel COMPELLED to work on. --[[User:Anonymous Prime|Anonymous Prime]] 09:17, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I've come to think that the centralized list of refs is the best solution. That way we don't have to worry about lists of totally stupid stuff interfering with the articles we care about. (Well, except for that highly-annoying list of quotes from [[Transformers (2007)]].) It also means we don't have to make any decisions about a notability policy because the pop culture refs page is obviously going to be an unsaveable ghetto anyway, so why bother. For the record, I want to emphasize that I doubt it's possible to like Family Guy less than I do. I simply couldn't bear to the see the Family Guy mentions exacerbated by being written badly. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:40, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

==Image upload==
I assume this is a wiki software thing, but does anybody know why the upload button you can use when you edit something no longer allows you to fill out details on the file being uploaded? I've trained myself to keep an open 'Upload File' page, but its abit annoying. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:56, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
: I'm not sure what you mean. I still see the same ol' page! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:27, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
::When I click the upload popup button (not the Upload file link on the side of the page), in the popup the appears, there's only File: (Browse button) and the "All images uploaded are subject to Wikia's GNU Free Documentation License. Do not upload copyrighted images." warning among some minor things. No space for one to type out file details.
::It has been this way since Wikia updated its software a few weeks back, so to fill out details by editing the image's page afterwards. Before the software upgrade, the upload popup also allowed you to fill out file details, just like the Upload file page. This is part of the reason why lately there have been quite a number of images uploaded with no information whatsoever - most non-registered users or newcomers use the upload button instead of the Upload file link on the side of the page. I believe Zodberg has mentioned this when somebody here asked him to fill out image details. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

== Animated GIFs ==

If there isn't already, can we put a ban on these things? -- [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 00:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

:There are a couple that I sort of like, as on [[Spark]] and [[Oracle (G1)]]. Those ones are, IMO, considerably less obnoxious than the movie GIFs that people keep uploading. They are smaller in terms of pixels, and file size, and are far less flashy. So... I wouldn't go for a straight ban, but, certainly we could discourage them unless they are tasteful. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 01:47, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
::I'd be sad if we deleted the [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] one. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 02:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, those three should stay. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 03:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

:The one on [[Ginrai]] would be a damned shame to lose.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 03:24, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

::Generally speaking, I never think outright bans are the correct response when what you ''really'' want is for people to exercise restraint.
::(Of course, I made 3 of the 4 examples people cited of animated gifs that don't suck, so I'm biased.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:14, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
::::You know what we should do? Make an animated gif warning people against using them!
::::Seriously, what confuses is that Chosen40k uploading not only an animated gif, but a *redundant* animated gif. I mean, my collage of screencaps for that very scene is right there... I blame the Wikipedia. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

== Red Links on Main Page ==

So, we have two red links on the main page, "TV and movies" and "Toys". Were those links always red, or did something get moved? [[User:JW|JW]] 20:32, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

:The pages were deleted for being lists. I've added redirects to prevent these broken links. You can view the old content in the [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=TV_and_movies&oldid=85218 page] [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Toys&oldid=33798 history]. [[User:Angela|Angela]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Angela|talk]]) 23:57, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Proposed LocalSettings change ==

Tweaking the [[e-Hobby]] page this morning got me thinking about iPods. Specifically [[Wikipedia:iPod|Wikipedia's iPod article]] which, as you can see, has a lowercase first character. (That's new BTW, it didn't until a few months ago.)

The iPod page uses a magic word called <nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE}}</nowiki> to let you change how the page title displays. (You can't go nuts and call it 'Greg,' you can just set an alternate capitalization. You can't break anything with it.)
But enabling DisplayTitle is a LocalSettings change (requires a wiki tech to do it) so before making a request I did a quick check for any other Hot-and-Sexy LocalSettings options we might wan to consider. Out of ~200 settables, here's my short list:

<dl>
<dt>wgAllowDisplayTitle
<dd>enable the aforementioned <nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE}}</nowiki> flag
<dt>wgFileExtensions
<dd>Allowed file types on "Upload file." (I haven't noticed anyone grousing about not being able to upload ''X'', but I thought I'd throw it out in case someone had a really good idea.)
<dt>wgRateLimits
<dd>Limit to number of page edits allowed in a time period. e.g. 4 edits per minute, or 50 edits in 20 minutes... etc. (I'd probably be against this one because of linkfixes, and because we haven't had to deal with mass-edit-spam yet... and you shouldn't restrict users without a pressing need.)
<dt>wgLocaltimezone
<dd>Set the local timezone (used in the recent edits page, among others) to something other than UTC. It bugs me to see the wiki's time off by 5 hours, and it's ''unamerican'', where's our english bias when we need it most?
<dt>wgBlockAllowsUTEdit
<dd>Allow blocked users to edit their ''own'' user talk page. I '''strongly''' favor this one, letting the condemned have his say keeps us from coming off as totalitarian jackboots. On a purely ''functional'' level- now in order to protest/request clarification/bitch about being banned, a blocked user must first figure out how to ''evade'' our ban. Given a choice between disgruntled users venting by howling on their own talk pages and disgruntled users evading bans to (feeling silenced) howl on ''other'' pages, I'd prefer the former.
</dl>

(There's lots of other setables- but most of them just aren't useful for a wiki at our level of traffic.) I'm in favor of DisplayTitle, BannedUserTalk and maybe Timezone (Set to Portland Oregon? Rhode Island?)

I'd need to hear what others think- I'm not going to pursue a tech request unless there's favoring consensus. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

:Sounds good to me. Also, you should have posted this to the community portal instead of the main page. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 14:08, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
::The Community portal never discusses this kind of thing...
::Oh, you meant the CP talk page. Duly noted for the future. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:52, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
:Good idea. I'll throw in my vote. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 19:03, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

:I thought blocked users could ALREADY edit their own talk pages. Did they change the settings at some point? Regardless, I definitely agree with you there on pretty much every count. And changing the time zone to SOMETHING in North America sounds good to me, too, just because it gets weird when the day breaks like five hours off of when it actually should. The actual time zone doesn't even matter that much. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 19:04, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
::Really? MediaWiki says its false by default. (I guess Wikia might have set it true as default) I don't remember being able to edit my talk page when I was banned... but perhaps I just never needed to. Let's test! Ban me!
::Um... you will have to un-ban me after the test though. ;)-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:52, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Our most recent Irate-Jerk-Who-Was-Banned was indeed able to post endlessly to her own talk page after she was banned. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Which one? Registered user? IP user? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

== Semi-Protection ==

It seems to me it would be in our best interests to semi-protect the main page against anonymous IP edits. Because, y'know, it's the frigging main page, and it's not going to have much editing done on it by anonymous users other than to replace it with "LOL UR GAY." --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 16:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
:I agree entirely. It's done. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

== Military Personality ==

Through the timeline the Autobots and Decepticons had been featured military personality. IG Sir Yes Sir. Roger That. Affirmative.

Usually commanders stay behind at HQ and let their fucking lackies do the fighting. Not lead a team into battle. IG Optimus and Megatron lead their armies to battle each other and they fight in battle. In Transformers Armada the 2 leaders are supposed to stay at their HQs and let their fucking troops do battle and get the fucking mini-cons. Not make personal appearences.([[User:76.247.222.101|76.247.222.101]] 00:57, 26 September 2007 (UTC))
:What does that have to do with the Main Page...or anything regarding this wiki? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:59, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I meant whats happening during the series. Have you notice military commanders are supposed to stay behind while their troops are doing their work? The Big army thing had been featured in Armada.<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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<span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:100px;line-height:100px;font-weight:900;">THE FUNNY STAYS.</span>
-The Management

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==Archives==
[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive1|Archive1]]

==Movie Nav Box==

The navigation box we have for Movie pages really needs an overhaul. Especially now that we have four [[Online games]] (not counting the Sector 7 Hungry Dragon thing) and the nav box points to [[Battle for the Allspark]] as THE online game. What should we do with it? --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 00:59, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

==Featured Article for July==

What should we start polishing up to be next month's Featured Article? It needs to be something relevant for people finding this site after seeing the movie? How about [[Bumblebee (G1)]], as it covers the history behind the film's most prominent robot? --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:53, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
: Sure, works for me. We've got our work cut out for us, though! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:56, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Is no one up to filling out Bumblebee's Dreamwave, Legends anthology, Dreamwave Transformers/GI Joe, Devil's Due, or Hearts of Steel sections? I'm poking around to see who would be relevant as a featured article for while the movie's out if we're not up to completing Bumblebee... -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 05:55, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
::We could always just go with G1 Prime or Megatron. Both of those more than qualify, I think. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 07:28, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
::: Megatron's pretty close. I think we just need some filling out of his cartoon exploits. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:36, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

:::: He needs TF/G.I. Joe, G.I. Joe vs. TF, and Hearts of Steel filled out too. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 02:52, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
::::: Hearts of Steel writeup: "There was art of him in the supplemental materials!" --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::: ...Two designs for a guy who didn't even show... Dang it.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 08:05, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

== Movie Launch==

Hey Guys, Was wondering if you were going to put anything on the home page about the movie launching tonight? I was going to put this wiki in the spotlight starting Friday to promote it, but I think its needs a more recognizable logo so people will click on it. [[User:Angies|angies]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Angies|talk]]) 19:25, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

:I've put something on the front page now. I had wanted to get this done last week, but I never had the time, and then most of the staff were at the [[BotCon 2007|Transformers convention]] for four or five days. It needs work, but it's there, at least. It would be great if we could have a spotlight! --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 16:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

== The Funny ==

Maybe if the stuff you said was funny, no one would have a problem with it, but most of the jokes on here are pretty lame, it's not about transformers fans being serious, it's about your jokes being bad. When other people try to put there humor in it, you erase it. Sooooo make the jokes funny and you wont have to worry about it. Besides the Real Wikipedia has more information on transformers than the one dedicated to transformers have, what gives. Maybe before you work on your lame jokes you can fill out the information on the article. Sorry just what I think about it, don't take to much offence. {{unsigned|67.140.110.210}}

:Humor is subjective. Pesonally, I consider most of the jokes on this site to be neutral. They are clearly trying to be silly, but neither funny nor painful. They merely lighten the tone. Users who show up here and do nothing but change jokes into different jokes are clearly not accomplishing anything. The new jokes are never any better -- they are merely different, and often worse. That is a waste of everybody's time. I haven't spent a lot of time browsing Transformers material on Wikipedia, but I highly doubt that their information is ''better'', even if there might be a larger quantity of it. What little I've seen there has been disorganized, mixes fan assertions with canon, and is at times not even reliable. ''If'' they have more information than we do, it is only because people have been adding TF info there for at least twice as long as this specialized wiki has existed. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

::Yep, this wiki is a far more reliable source of information for Transformers than the Wikipedia shall ever be. I've corrected some of their base assumptions and half-truths upon occassion. If we lack information for something, '''then feel free to contribute''' to our wiki or wait for one of us to get around to it. Really, what the Wikipedia offers is rather generalised information and (as steve-o points out) fan-assumed fanon and downright false information. Besides, we provide the Transformers info that the users on the wikipedia either don't know or won't bother with, such as info on the toys, their designers, toy construction materials, obscure series and/or characters and so on.
:: And yes, we think captioning a picture of say, Megatron with 'Art of Megatron' or some such is really patronising. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

==Logos for 'By series' column==
I was uploading some logos for the franchise pages, and it got me thinking - the By series column on the main page is basically a bunch of text, and for either visual-minded people or those who aren't as familiar with TF, it can be confusing. How about we get brand/franchise logos for all the series so far and put them into the column? The logos would be easier to see and recognisable.

I made [http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/166/logosbyseriesec4.jpg this] - the logos there are at 250px, but I later reduced that to 150px and they still seem fine (unless you've a super-high resolution on a less than super-large monitor). Its quite rough there, series logos are missing (and I've not actually changed the page itself), but what do you guys think? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:01, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

:I like the idea. I think the execution needs xome more work of course but having the logos there definately makes the page nicer looking.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 19:21, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
::The logos need to be much, much smaller. That looks not so visually appealing. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

::If the logos were reduced a little more, I think it would be alright to remove the text and go with just logos. (And giving them TITLE/ALT attributes, of course.) --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 03:26, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::
::They need to not have backgrounds, and it's going to be a real hassle to get rid of the Classics one. I think the idea could be doable, although the mockup does not look good at all. It could potentially be very ugly and I think we need to be careful. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 03:30, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::So we're doing this for every series title? ''Awesome''! And it's gonna have no text? ''Awesome''! And what are we doing for Japanese series?
:::(I saw this done with all the Japanese titles on Cyberbon a few years back. Turns out that bereft of some visual cue to tell you what series you're talking about- every TF logo after Masterforce looks the same.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:46, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::::I suspect that may not be a problem, given that we do not actually have any Japanese titles on the main page. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 03:54, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::Yeah I'll need your help, anyway since I am shithouse at photoshop now and I can't get rid of the backgrounds myself. Also we're still missing logos for Beast Machines, RID and king of hard to track down, G2. We have so few images on the first page that I think, if done right, this could look very nice. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:30, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

:::::Logos so far, and I guess they'll all need to be converted, except for the movie logo:

:::::[[Image:G1logo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:G2Logo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:BWlogo.jpg|left|90px]]
:::::[[Image:RIDlogo.png|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Armadalogo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Energonlogo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Universelogo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Cybertron-Logo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Classicslogo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Transformers2007logomodified.png|left|150px]]
:::::[[Image:Transformersanimated franchise logo.png|left|100px]]
{{-}}
::::::You might have my help... if I thought it was a good idea. Remember you need to do Headmasters, Masterforce, Victory, Zone, Battlestars, Return of Convoy, JG2, BW2, BWN, Robotmasters, Binaltech, Kiss-Player, etc. And they somehow have to communicate what series they refer to despite lacking any English text.
::::::Also-also, I assuem that clicking on these logos is supposed to take you to their respective franchise pages? Clicking on an image takes you to the info page for that image. It's a wikipedia fundamental. You need to find a way around that. Have fun!-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:37, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::: Don't all those Japanese series fall under the umbrella of G1 or BW anyway? And, as it has been so repeatedly stated, this predominantly an American TF wiki, so I don't think we need to list EVERY TF cartoon ever made, for even with just text links it would be very, very long. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:56, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::: If you're just linking to the continuity-families, you shouldn't have 3 images for the UT then. Clearly that threw me off. Of course, if this is by Continuity family, we don't need Classics either- it's part of G1.
:::::::: Franchise or continuity family, pick a standard. (and if i'm coming off as Difficult, it's because I think this is a bad idea- but like a lot of bad ideas I'm over-ruled on, if it's goign to be done I'd like to see it done '''well''', or at least consistently.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::There's no logo for UT, unless we make one up, which would be fanart. And those three series are far more well known and arguably more important to American Transformers than the entire Japanese TF continuity. But, if you can come up with the brand/franchise logos for Headmasters, Masterforce, Victory, Zone, Battlestars, BW The Second, BW Neo and on, then we'll do it your way. Not sure how big the 'By series' list will end up being, however. We may have to end up redesigning the main page. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::No love for the BM "clawed-winged gear" logo? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:07, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::I couldn't find an appropriate image to use, and I didn't have time to edit one out of something. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::: Looking at that tall list of images leaves me highly skeptical. This list is going to be ''huge.'' It's going to completely dominate the main page and throw everything off entirely. Don't get me wrong, I'm not particularly fond of the way the main page is laid out right now, it was very much something thrown together in twenty minutes; but without an actual redesign (or even with one, it takes up a whole screen on my computer), I don't see that huge-ass list working out. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 14:23, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yes, now that I see the images on top of each other, I also think this isn't a great idea anymore. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::And that's ''without'' Machine Wars, Beast Machines, Dinobots and Timelines. And then throw in Animorphs, SWTF and Titanium (not to mention the new Universe and other future lines). That column would be taller than almost all monitors can display. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::::''I get it.'' Which is why I only wanted to do it for the series we have at the moment. I wonder, why are you guys suggesting, all of a sudden, series that weren't even there before? If they weren't important enough for inclusion in the column in the first place, why bother to list every TF series ever made now, if only to use them as a means to derail my (evidently) poorly thought out idea? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:55, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, less appealing than I thought it might be. I DO definately believe the Main page could use some redesign and more pictures/visual interest. This just may not be the best way to add that.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 15:22, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

:I made them smaller, but I see FFN has ''failed''! :O Is there any way to allow the images to link to the articles in question? It would free up clutter if we had the American logos and do away with the text saying what it is. As for placement, I think IF the By series column were to have logos, it would work better if we swapped its location with the 'Top level categories' column. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::It could work... if we reformatted the main page so instead of the vertical list there was a box, with the logos filling up rows and columns. G1 at the top-left and then so on. Just a thought. If it eats up the whole screen, nevermind. --[[User:209.101.152.114|209.101.152.114]] 17:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll take a look at the image placement markup later. I don't THINK you can make clicking on them take you someplace else... but maybe it'll surprise me. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:37, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:I checked, it can't be done. Sorry. I think you can make the pic info page re-direct you... but there are several well-founded reasons why you wouldn't want to do that. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:01, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

The funny is awesome.Learn to laugh.

==featured wiki==
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== New Prime Image ==

I have replaced the crappy and blurred Prime image on the main page with a much better version. Hope there are no objections. [[User:OptimusPrime|OptimusPrime]] 18:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
:I strongly object. That image is huge and it completely breaks the layout of the front page. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:02, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps you are right. But I still suggest that the image be replaced or removed entirely. Many images exist on the site that are far better, and could be put to use in its place. Also, the presence of the image on the page causes the Welcome sign to be askew, and makes it look like a bit of a botch job. [[User:OptimusPrime|OptimusPrime]] 18:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
:What do you mean, askew? It's not *supposed* to be in the center of the page... is that all you mean? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 18:18, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
::How about a size-reduced pic of that close up of Prime's head from the international posters? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I dislike the current main image, a blurry (imo) close-up of Movie Prime's face. I suggest [[:Image:Wotf g1 movie primal.jpg|this image]] from Takara's Tf site instead. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:That's gonna look pretty awful when small, since that image is gonna go in that little feature-box on the right-hand side of the screen. Any way to get a pic from the bit just before that with those three in close-up without the "WORLD OF TRANSFORMERS" on it? That should shrink down way better while still being legible. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:16, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:That's actually 3 seperate pieces of close-up art. I can scrape those and re-create it though. Do you want the starfield behind it, or a transparent background? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:25, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
::Hm. Yyyyyeah, starfield, I think. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:29, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Okie, Starfield is up at the previously-linked location. Transparent is [[:Image:G1 movie primal.png|here]], and I think it looks better. (Thought his gamma might be too agressive.) If we made it the main image it'd probably be nice to round and fade the edges a bit. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
It's seriously ''not'' a good picture. (The only reason I objected to the first guy's replacement was because it was like a whole screen tall.) I was really wondering when someone was going to replace it with something better. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 01:35, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:How about that close up of Prime's movie CG head from the international movie posters? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:39, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

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== Popular Culture? ==

Maybe it's just me, but I think it might be a good idea to include a page that features the various references made to the Transformers franchise in different forms of media and popular culture, i.e. Optimus Prime's cameo in ''The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy''; Prime and Soundwave on ''Family Guy''; the "Rad Rad Robotank" that's appeared every once in a while in ''Homestar Runner'', etc. Anyone else think so?

:Hell yeah, seconded! One of my favorite bits of Wookieepedia is checking out all the different star wars references they catch and list. Seeing a list of real-world transformer references, cameos and sightings would be sweet. Hell, I think it would be fascinating just to see TF sightings. "Oh, so the toy that kid was playing with in this obscure movie was just a <insert TF here> that the prop department repainted. Neat."

:I am... a bit wary of such a thing. A centralized list of pop culture refs would be enormous and very hard to manage, and probably boring. I could see maybe having shorter lists in relevant individual articles -- like, on G1 Soundwave's page, a list of refs to him in particular -- but that would remove some of the usefulness of listing them in the first place, because there wouldn't be an easy way to find them all. How does Wookiepedia do it? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 19:06, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

:: I'm also wary for the same reasons I don't want us to handle unofficial stuff like fan-conventions and books... at what point does something become not noteworthy enough to mention? Are we going to list every last damn insignificant webcomic or unfunny comedian who says HEY REMEMBER TRANSFORMERS?! --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

:::We see this sort of thing pop up often enough in forums. And frankly, the Wookieepedia's listing of SW references in pop culture is (and I apologise to the people who compiled them) rather boring. And personally, I never want to see Family Guy referenced on this wiki. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:59, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

::::I'm torn. I agree in principle with everything the naysayers have naysaid. And yet, I want somewhere I can document that <i>Spaceballs: The Lunchbox</i> was a TF lunchbox with the Spaceballs logo slapped on it, and there was an Insecticon among the pile of toys the kid in <i>Flight of the Navigator</i> gets. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 05:27, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

::::''I never want to see Family Guy referenced on this wiki''<br>
::::I just feel this bears repeating. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 08:49, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::Looks like you have some caption-editing to do then. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:47, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

::::::COULD IT BE? Somebody on the internet who '''doesn't''' like Family Guy? *shocked* I could swear I was the only one! --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I told you guys, '''I NEVER WANT TO SEE FAMILY GUY REFERENCED ON THIS WIKI'''. I hate that show and the fact that if you're our age you 'have' to be a fan of it and its limited sense of humour. I think we should discourage people from adding more references beyond the ones we have right now, and just delete ones made by random, unregistered users. We don't reference every time Transformers have appeared on television that isn't a Transformers show so we don't have to reference every instance time they appear on Family Guy. *SHAKES FIST* --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:Okaaaaay...-- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 06:01, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
::Don't force me to resort to fisticuffs! --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:05, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I think, in the interest of fairness and with awareness of the "slippery-slope", that pop-culture references should generally be stricken outside of certain special circumstances where there's some kind of "official" link... like, say, the Megatron/Jetfire cameo in the old Marvel G.I. Joe comic. Thanks to the web and eighty billion cable channels, allowing any "unofficial" pop-culture would mean we'd be looking at a very Wikipedia-esque "notability" (read: "well, '''I'VE''' never heard of it!") kind of judgment call being taken every time someone puts up a vanity link because they made a Transformers joke in their little flash animation on Newgrounds.<br>
I'm not adverse to having an article ON the fact that TFs is now a popular callback for the nostalgia remoras out there, noting the timing of the "surges" of things transforming into robots as a reference/parody/imitation... but not some list of 'em all. It's the same stance we ''should'' have on any other unofficial work, yes? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:Some of our articles reference or link Walky's Shortpacked and Don Murphy's article uses a panel from the old 'Don Murphy knees Ethan in the chest' comic as its main pic. Should those be edited in line with this policy? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:12, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
::I'd say yes. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:49, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I'd say, "it depends". It shoundn't be linked to just for the hell of it, but if a case arises where a Shortpacked! strip -- like any other external page -- provides a cogent illustration of something, I think it should be fine to link to that. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Some anonymous, nameless editor at the top raises a good question; how ''does'' Wookieepedia deal with this? I mean, I'm guessing that they have to deal with a whole friggin' lot more than we do, so if they handle it well, they might have an already established set of standards we can modify.

I don't like the idea of having a giant, unmaintainable mess of pointless cruft and I don't think ''I'' would ever be interested in any modern pop culture appearances of Transformers; but that doesn't mean that there aren't ''other'' people who would be interested in a list like that.

(There was also someone else, elsewhere, who raised a good point: what about references to Transformers that ''aren't'' from the last few years? I mean, I don't give a damn about Soundwave on Family Guy and I don't think anyone else here does, either, but what about the more obscure references from Beast Wars and earlier? Those are interesting just because they can potentially illustrate Transformers in pop culture in earlier periods of time, to contrast with now; which certainly seems to ME like it has value.) --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 07:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

:I'd mentioned stuff along that line in #wiigii!... I do think, say, that Razorbeast was on ''Fresh Prince of Bel Aire'' (which I never cared for in all honesty, and I had Fresh Prince albums on steady play growing up) or that ''The Powerpuff Girls'' had an extended CGI tribute/parody of ''Beast Machines'' are WAYYYYY more significant than any TF reference made in the past five years because the HEY LOOK THING YOU REMEMBER wasn't a popular comedy substitute then. At that point, who gave a fuck about Transformers... or about the Eighties, for that matter? Aside from VH1? But it's the ol' slippery-slope again if it goes outside of a "centralized" article that mentions such occurrences within the context of time and doens't try to be a comprehensive list of references. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:49, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

::Wookipedia lists EVERYTHING oh my GOD the pages are huge. They divide it by medium. Every single refence, from American Dad to Webcomics. It's... it's a giant monument to how you don't want to spend your time.

:::Yep, like I said, the wookipedia's list is really, really huge, and really, really boring, no offense to the people who took the time to compile it. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:19, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Lord, and I can barely work up the drive to make articles on actual official TF episodes. And my ''career'', which I enjoy a lot, is basically "make giant lists of boring minutae". The idea that we'd have a complete list of every unfunny TF gag puked out by Adult Swim shows but not, say, a completed series of ''Beast Wars'' episode articles is fucking ''depressing''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 09:12, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

::::Still, it would keep that crap out of the articles proper, and it might be a nice harmless magnet for the people who want to come in and just write one or two lines, aside from just changing captions. Being so unimportant, it's not the sort of thing you'd feel COMPELLED to work on. --[[User:Anonymous Prime|Anonymous Prime]] 09:17, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I've come to think that the centralized list of refs is the best solution. That way we don't have to worry about lists of totally stupid stuff interfering with the articles we care about. (Well, except for that highly-annoying list of quotes from [[Transformers (2007)]].) It also means we don't have to make any decisions about a notability policy because the pop culture refs page is obviously going to be an unsaveable ghetto anyway, so why bother. For the record, I want to emphasize that I doubt it's possible to like Family Guy less than I do. I simply couldn't bear to the see the Family Guy mentions exacerbated by being written badly. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:40, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

==Image upload==
I assume this is a wiki software thing, but does anybody know why the upload button you can use when you edit something no longer allows you to fill out details on the file being uploaded? I've trained myself to keep an open 'Upload File' page, but its abit annoying. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:56, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
: I'm not sure what you mean. I still see the same ol' page! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:27, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
::When I click the upload popup button (not the Upload file link on the side of the page), in the popup the appears, there's only File: (Browse button) and the "All images uploaded are subject to Wikia's GNU Free Documentation License. Do not upload copyrighted images." warning among some minor things. No space for one to type out file details.
::It has been this way since Wikia updated its software a few weeks back, so to fill out details by editing the image's page afterwards. Before the software upgrade, the upload popup also allowed you to fill out file details, just like the Upload file page. This is part of the reason why lately there have been quite a number of images uploaded with no information whatsoever - most non-registered users or newcomers use the upload button instead of the Upload file link on the side of the page. I believe Zodberg has mentioned this when somebody here asked him to fill out image details. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

== Animated GIFs ==

If there isn't already, can we put a ban on these things? -- [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 00:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

:There are a couple that I sort of like, as on [[Spark]] and [[Oracle (G1)]]. Those ones are, IMO, considerably less obnoxious than the movie GIFs that people keep uploading. They are smaller in terms of pixels, and file size, and are far less flashy. So... I wouldn't go for a straight ban, but, certainly we could discourage them unless they are tasteful. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 01:47, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
::I'd be sad if we deleted the [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] one. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 02:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, those three should stay. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 03:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

:The one on [[Ginrai]] would be a damned shame to lose.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 03:24, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

::Generally speaking, I never think outright bans are the correct response when what you ''really'' want is for people to exercise restraint.
::(Of course, I made 3 of the 4 examples people cited of animated gifs that don't suck, so I'm biased.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:14, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
::::You know what we should do? Make an animated gif warning people against using them!
::::Seriously, what confuses is that Chosen40k uploading not only an animated gif, but a *redundant* animated gif. I mean, my collage of screencaps for that very scene is right there... I blame the Wikipedia. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

== Red Links on Main Page ==

So, we have two red links on the main page, "TV and movies" and "Toys". Were those links always red, or did something get moved? [[User:JW|JW]] 20:32, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

:The pages were deleted for being lists. I've added redirects to prevent these broken links. You can view the old content in the [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=TV_and_movies&oldid=85218 page] [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Toys&oldid=33798 history]. [[User:Angela|Angela]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Angela|talk]]) 23:57, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Proposed LocalSettings change ==

Tweaking the [[e-Hobby]] page this morning got me thinking about iPods. Specifically [[Wikipedia:iPod|Wikipedia's iPod article]] which, as you can see, has a lowercase first character. (That's new BTW, it didn't until a few months ago.)

The iPod page uses a magic word called <nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE}}</nowiki> to let you change how the page title displays. (You can't go nuts and call it 'Greg,' you can just set an alternate capitalization. You can't break anything with it.)
But enabling DisplayTitle is a LocalSettings change (requires a wiki tech to do it) so before making a request I did a quick check for any other Hot-and-Sexy LocalSettings options we might wan to consider. Out of ~200 settables, here's my short list:

<dl>
<dt>wgAllowDisplayTitle
<dd>enable the aforementioned <nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE}}</nowiki> flag
<dt>wgFileExtensions
<dd>Allowed file types on "Upload file." (I haven't noticed anyone grousing about not being able to upload ''X'', but I thought I'd throw it out in case someone had a really good idea.)
<dt>wgRateLimits
<dd>Limit to number of page edits allowed in a time period. e.g. 4 edits per minute, or 50 edits in 20 minutes... etc. (I'd probably be against this one because of linkfixes, and because we haven't had to deal with mass-edit-spam yet... and you shouldn't restrict users without a pressing need.)
<dt>wgLocaltimezone
<dd>Set the local timezone (used in the recent edits page, among others) to something other than UTC. It bugs me to see the wiki's time off by 5 hours, and it's ''unamerican'', where's our english bias when we need it most?
<dt>wgBlockAllowsUTEdit
<dd>Allow blocked users to edit their ''own'' user talk page. I '''strongly''' favor this one, letting the condemned have his say keeps us from coming off as totalitarian jackboots. On a purely ''functional'' level- now in order to protest/request clarification/bitch about being banned, a blocked user must first figure out how to ''evade'' our ban. Given a choice between disgruntled users venting by howling on their own talk pages and disgruntled users evading bans to (feeling silenced) howl on ''other'' pages, I'd prefer the former.
</dl>

(There's lots of other setables- but most of them just aren't useful for a wiki at our level of traffic.) I'm in favor of DisplayTitle, BannedUserTalk and maybe Timezone (Set to Portland Oregon? Rhode Island?)

I'd need to hear what others think- I'm not going to pursue a tech request unless there's favoring consensus. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

:Sounds good to me. Also, you should have posted this to the community portal instead of the main page. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 14:08, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
::The Community portal never discusses this kind of thing...
::Oh, you meant the CP talk page. Duly noted for the future. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:52, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
:Good idea. I'll throw in my vote. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 19:03, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

:I thought blocked users could ALREADY edit their own talk pages. Did they change the settings at some point? Regardless, I definitely agree with you there on pretty much every count. And changing the time zone to SOMETHING in North America sounds good to me, too, just because it gets weird when the day breaks like five hours off of when it actually should. The actual time zone doesn't even matter that much. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 19:04, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
::Really? MediaWiki says its false by default. (I guess Wikia might have set it true as default) I don't remember being able to edit my talk page when I was banned... but perhaps I just never needed to. Let's test! Ban me!
::Um... you will have to un-ban me after the test though. ;)-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:52, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Our most recent Irate-Jerk-Who-Was-Banned was indeed able to post endlessly to her own talk page after she was banned. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Which one? Registered user? IP user? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

== Semi-Protection ==

It seems to me it would be in our best interests to semi-protect the main page against anonymous IP edits. Because, y'know, it's the frigging main page, and it's not going to have much editing done on it by anonymous users other than to replace it with "LOL UR GAY." --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 16:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
:I agree entirely. It's done. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

== Military Personality ==

Through the timeline the Autobots and Decepticons had been featured military personality. IG Sir Yes Sir. Roger That. Affirmative.

Usually commanders stay behind at HQ and let their fucking lackies do the fighting. Not lead a team into battle. IG Optimus and Megatron lead their armies to battle each other and they fight in battle. In Transformers Armada the 2 leaders are supposed to stay at their HQs and let their fucking troops do battle and get the fucking mini-cons. Not make personal appearences.([[User:76.247.222.101|76.247.222.101]] 00:57, 26 September 2007 (UTC))<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Starscream (Animated)

2007-09-26T00:52:45Z

76.247.222.101:

Not being very familiar with Gundam, I tried to find images of the fighter that [[User:66.114.66.77]] has added. What I found was [http://www.mahq.net/Mecha/gundam/0083/lineart/rx-78gp03s-corefighter2-sp.jpg this], which doesn't have swept-forward wings at all. What am I missing? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:11, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

How is he a fucking Su-47 Berkut? What does he look like? Where is his fucking vehicle mode photo?<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Starscream (Armada)

2007-09-26T00:50:18Z

76.247.222.101: /* Excuse me */

There's bound to be a few bits of fiction left unlisted. Some of the kids' books, and he's gotta be in Legends SOMEWHERE. And I really don't feel like going over the DW Armada comic right now. But one at least that section's in, and we get some screen grabs and pictures in... I'd say we've got us another Featured Article. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for stupidly interfering in an inaccurate/unfunny/both way. Should I go sit in the corner? (the sorry is in no way sarcastic)

SL Nightscream is NOT a clone of Starscream. Who the hell keeps making this up? His story is the same as in Energon. He's Starscream's spark restored with energon. There isn't a single shred of evidence that he is anyone but Starscream with his mind wiped.

== Excuse me ==

In what episode does starscreem actualy get his powerlink form?
:Same one as everyone else.
::Episode 43, "Puppet" --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 09:49, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

What happened? Is that the same crown from somewhere? The crown from Cybertron ([[User:76.247.222.101|76.247.222.101]] 00:50, 26 September 2007 (UTC))<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Megatron (Animated)

2007-09-26T00:38:14Z

76.247.222.101: /* Hurry up already. */

What's the source for Animated Megatron having Movie Megatron's head? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:09, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
:His artwork on the little flyer they handed out at SDCC, as well as his toy. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:08, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
::Aaaaaand now the trailer... <3<3<3 [[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:24, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Anyone notice the top view Seibertron had of his toy prototype jet mode seems to bear a more than passing resemblance to the starship Serenity from Firefly?
:Lots of people, but I don't really see it, myself. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:00, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey just to confirm, is the toy prototype his earth or cybertronian form. I'm fairly certain it's his cybertronian one, because it mathces what we saw in the trailer, head design, shoulder spike.

== Toy proto? ==

I don't know if we do unpainted test shots as part of this wiki. Not really kosher as the test shots getting out isn't exactly legal...--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 21:01, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
: We do not. That particular image has been deleted so many times. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:08, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
OK, sorry. How about the officialy showed unpainted version, that were on Comic-Con?--[[User:Hepathos|Hepathos]] 18:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:Personally I'd say toy protos of all stripes are not really well-suited to this wiki. Hand-painted versions such as those shown at Comic Con are fair game because in most cases we have clear photos of them and they are fairly close to what their final decos will be. However grays or test shots just aren't indicative of anything but sculpt.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 18:52, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:Well, yeah... but we can remove them in the sec the final pictures came out, and iuntil that we can live big notes that the toys are just prototypes. OR leave a long description of the toys until pics came out. I did that once for Lockdown, but someboddy deleted it all...--[[User:Hepathos|Hepathos]] 19:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
::Officially-released photos of prototypes are allowed until we have better photos. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:00, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

== Hurry up already. ==

Hurry up putting new information on this f*** already! Are you going to make me do your work?
:You sound familiar. Have we met before? Anyway, we don't HAVE any information right now, the show isn't out, the toys aren't out, what do you want us to put??? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:07, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

His fucking vehicle mode! No we never met before. I'm his 5 Star superior general. That guy you thought of was 4 Stars.

Where is his vehicle mode picture?<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Transformers Animated (franchise)

2007-09-26T00:34:42Z

76.247.222.101: /* Is the Autobots always going to be the Civilian ground vehicle? */

You know, I wasn't going to say anything, but you're getting a little too kneejerk about other people's kneejerk reactions. The list of previous series is fine and adaquately snarky, but is the "OMFG NAFF PASS END OF FRANCHISE SUX GONNA KILL TFS BARF CRAP" really needed? Just seems a bit more negatively charged than the wiki really needs.--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 05:39, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:And I would have just edited it out, but I figured it would be more productive to discuss it first. 'Course, it seems Rotty took care of it anyway. :D--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 06:14, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

This article should really be at [[Animated]], shouldn't it? We don't have anything at [[Transformers Cybertron]], [[Transformers Armada]], etc. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:24, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
: I dunno. Considering the size of "Animated" compared to the REST of the logo... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

:I think it should remain [[Transformers Animated]]. Just [[Animated]] is too confusing, and we can justifiably called it Transformers Animated by the logo. Go with the less confusing one. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

::It's confusing ANYWAY, since we now have the term "Transformers Animated continuity" to refer to Transformers Animated and "Animated continuity" to refer to the G1 cartoons. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 06:58, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

:::Well if we just went with [[Animated]] we'd have an article named [[Animated (cartoon)]]. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:19, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
::::And if this franchise gets a comic, we'll have the "Animated animated continuity" and the "Animated comics continuity." Heh. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 09:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

::::And then if there's an official Flash animated comic strip, we'd have "animated continuity", "Animated animated continuity", "Animated comic continuity", and "animated comic continuity". -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 09:34, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== TFA abbreviation? ==

I think, because of how common a word "animated" is and how many things on this Wiki it could refer to we should stick to the full "Transformers: Animated" to avoid confusion or weirdness. I'd also suggest the abreviation "TFA" to be its descriptor, thusly [[Optimus Prime (TFA)]].--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 11:01, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

:I don't know. I'd prefer to stick with Animated. We could always change other uses of the phrase "animated continuity" to "cartoon continuity" if it became too confusing. Which might be a good idea anyway, given the use of (cartoon) for article titles. At any rate, we've got quite a a bit of time before we'll actually need to start making articles about this franchise. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 12:59, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

::I know it seems to be the way we're going, and so be it if so, but I want to state that, convention be damned, I really think refering to this continuity as JUST "Animated" is both counterintuitive and uneedingly confusing. There are times when breaking convention serves everyone better. The chategory "Animated characters" for instance is just screaming to be missunderstood. I just think the full Transformers: Animated, TF: Animated, or abreviating TFA would all be better choices. Just wanted to say it, however we finally choose to go.--ZacWilliam 03:24, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I don't see how "Transformers Animated characters" is any less confusing than "Animated characters" to a casual browser. It's not like that adjective narrows anything down on this wiki. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:03, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Perhaps not, but [[Transformers: Animated]] is considerably less confusing than either. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:10, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::Except the series isn't "Transformers: Animated". The press materials call it --and even THEY put it in quotes-- "Transformers Animated". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:34, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::That's their problem. Why does that necessarily dictate our category names?
::::::We use <nowiki>[[Category: Beast Wars]] and not [[Category: Beast Wars Transformers]]</nowiki> even though the latter is the name of the franchise. We adjusted it to fit our needs. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:43, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I was going to abbreviate this series "AN," until I realized that talking about "AN episode" or "AN Optimus Prime" just makes you look like you're trying to be a hairsplitter. Transformers has been ruined, or at least my system of talking about it. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:17, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::: Worse what hapens when there are multiple and you have to talk about "an AN episode" or "An An Optimus" that's just plain aweful. That's why I'm saying "TFA" I mean "TFA Megatron" or a "TFA episode" works fine.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 15:44, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::::: You mean Transformers Armada Megatron or a Transformers Armada episode? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:24, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, if "Arm" and "UT" weren't pretty well established maybe, even so I'd call it the less confusing of the options other than just using the whole word as Derik says below, wich is slightly long to type, but IS plenty clear for a character tag I guess. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 20:22, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::"Arm" is well-established? I've never SEEN it before! But I've seen TFA used for it plenty of times. But as Derik says, it's an irrelevant topic for the wiki, as nothing will have to abbreviate it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::: ...how did this subject move to the disambig suffixes? Those will be (Animated). They're less prone to confusion than the categories and article titles. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:41, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I move this discussion be '''shelved for a few months''' in the hopes that an appropriate nomenclature will arise in the fandom we can use. The series is slated for 2008, the scale of the changes we'll need to make this fall (if we choose to make changes) will still be manageable. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:50, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

==Scale==
Am I the only one who thinks there are going to be scale issues coming? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 22:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:How would you even define "scale issues" in relation to TFs. Nothing Transformers has EVER been in scale with anything else.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
::I believe he's referrign to he fact that Ratchet seems to be ''exactly'' the same size in vehicle mode (which we will be able to see at some point) but it the size of Bulkhead's forearm in robot mode. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:::It's interesting, but given all the size changing in G1 between modes (and not even the really obvious stuff) it's never going to be enough to put even a dent in the vast and eldritch disregard the Transformers franchise has always held for scale.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

===Sarcasm===

Am I the only one who thinks the level of sarcasm on this page is a bit much. We get the point.
:I kind of agree. The series isn't even out yet but already this page seems dated--it's like a time capsule to June. Lemme work on it. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 18:11, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
::I think it would be a disservice to not note the FACT that vast swaths of fandom treated this series as Worse Than Hitler at first glance. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:26, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
:::It is noted, in the second paragraph commenting on the inital over reaction. But the rest is just...well, mean really. I din't like the designs when the image was released either, but I'm looking forward to the series now. It just seems to be kinda nasty at the basic heart of it all.

:::Anyone think we need a <nowiki>{{toosnarky}}</nowiki> template? There's a lot of snark sneaking into articles that ought not be as snarky lately. We're weed-whacking it back into place with relative ease at the moment- but I think that for a lot of new users, the discussions about ''de-snarking'' are relatively invisible, while the snark in articles is easy to see. This creates a positive feedback scenario, where they perceive forces only encouraging the addition of snark, and do not notice the need for its moderation.
:::I believe a de-snarking "It's been suggested this page has too much funny and it's interfering with the delivery of information" template would make the need for it not to ''get in the way'' of articles more visible to users, who otherwise only see the jokes. (While also articulating to the anti-humor assholes that we're okay with humor as long as it ''doesn't'' interfere with the delivery of information.) -<span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva; font-size: 15px;">[[User:Derik|Derik]]</span> 00:01, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

:but that doesn't point out something like "excessive sarcasm that just seems to be in for the wrong reasons". Which I think is the main problem. Funny good, gittery, bad. {{unsigned|84.18.160.11}}

::::I'd proposed an "excessive sarcasm" template or somesuch before. I even have the image to use and quote...
::::[[Image:Rattrap-smirk.gif]] "No, I mean take a ''submarine''!"
::::(Yeah, the image is from a different episode and quote, but I don't care.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:10, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
::::[[Image:Toosnarky1.jpg]]
::::Man, it's hard to find a good Nightbeat icon for that which doesn't need dialogue. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:16, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Heh. Well, I want to have a BW-based template in there SOMEWHERE... and Rattrap and sarcasm just GO together. Wanna make sure our templates have franchise variety. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

== Is the Autobots always going to be the Civilian ground vehicle? ==

Is the Autobots(Automobile bots) going to be civilian ground vehicles like cars again, not anything flying nor military vehicles like C-17 Globemaster IIIs? Is the Decepticons going to be the military vehicles and flying vehicles like always? The Decepticons are known for their air power due to the Seekers. I hope you know it.

:The Animated Autobots already have a non-civilian vehicle alt-mode: Ratchet (and the Dinobots aren't even vehicles). Police and Fire& Rescue vehicles are by definition not-civilian. There's only been a few time that the vehicular Autobots were all ground vehicles: G1 in 1984, RID prior to the release of Storm Jet (and all of ''Car Robots'') ''Armada'' prior to the release of Jetfire, and Classics prior to the release of Jetfire. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 18:58, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

You didn't answer the Decepticon question! How the fuck am I going to know that the factions are going to be unbalanced. OH by the way, The funny Stays!

Why you didn't answer these questions?

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