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Colossus Rhodes

2008-04-06T20:23:58Z

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:''Colossus Rhodes is a [[human]] in the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:Rhodes.JPG|right|thumb|200px|I WILL BREAK YOUUUU!!!]]

'''Cyrus "The Colossus" Rhodes''' is a biotech-enhanced human who works for [[Prometheus Black]]. He seems to have issues over being rather small and frail, so he uses the enhancements to transform into a giant that's as big as [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]].

That's pretty [[frag]]ging big.

Black boasts that Rhodes is one of his greatest successes in biotechnological enhancement. Colossus is strong, but he isn't very smart.

{{quote|That's a human?}}
{{quote|Must be a new model...|Bulkhead and Prowl commenting on Rhodes's strange appearance|"[[Total Meltdown]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Transformers Animated cartoon===
{{ongoing}}
:''Voice actor:'' [[Corey Burton]] (English), [[Gunnar Helm]](small)/[[Gerald Paradies]](giant) (German)

[[Image:Cyrus_Rhodes.jpg|150px|left|thumb|A beard, Yoda grew!]] Cyrus Rhodes first appeared as a combatant in a wrestling match staged by Prometheus Black to show off how effective biotechnology is. Though he seemed to be just a tiny, old man, pistons implanted in his back began pumping super-steroids that quickly made him more than a match for [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]]. He tossed the plucky little 'bot out of the ring, and then proceeded to make a mess out of him and most of the surrounding parking lot. He was then disoriented by the sounds of a nearby car alarm, giving [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] a chance to disable the pistons that granted him his enhancements. [[Captain Fanzone]] was not impressed by Rhodes's crazed, berserker-like state and denied Black the coveted Detroit police contract.

Later, as Black attacked the Sumdac corporation as the villainous Meltdown, Rhodes was left to mop up the opposition outside. Prowl again tried to disable the freak's steroid pistons, but Rhodes commented that the "boss" had reinforced them. Ultimately, he became disoriented again when he accidentally tossed [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] against a church bell. Prowl correctly surmised that sonics were Rhodes's weakness, so Prime struck the bell repeatedly and forced Rhodes back into his normal, un-enhanced form. {{storylink|Total Meltdown}}

Several weeks later, he was still working for Black. After [[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]] kidnapped Sari, Black left Rhodes to guard her. However, he wasn't very good at it, as Sari tricked him into walking into a bathroom and drenched him with water, which shorted out his "electrode thingies". He later got his pistons working and emerged from Black's hideout (along with Black's two other mutant freaks) to help their boss, but met up with the [[Dinobot (Animated)| Dinobots]]. After being frightened by the Dinobots' [[Energo-sword|menacing flaming weapons,]] Rhodes and his cohorts were thoroughly trashed by the robot dinosaurs. {{storylink|Survival of the Fittest}}

==Trivia==
* Colossus Rhodes's name is a reference to the [[wikipedia:Colossus of Rhodes|Colossus of Rhodes]], one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World.

* His vulnerability to high-frequency sonic waves seems similar to the that of Marvel supervillain [[Venom (Crossovers)|Venom]], another joint trait being that their shared weakness is discovered by the accidental ringing of a church bell, as seen in ''Spider-Man 3''.

* His pumps also malfunction when they get into contact with water. Yes, clearly a great success, Prometheus.

* This doesn't even touch on his thematic resemblance to DC Comics's steroid-pumped freak, [[Wikipedia:Bane (comics)|Bane]].

* He was defeated by a little girl and a toilet, Sucks to be him

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Transformers (film)

2008-03-21T00:14:12Z

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{{disambig3|Transformers: The Movie}}
:''Transformers is an elaborate cover up in the [[Movie (franchise)|movie]] [[continuity family]].

[[Image:Transformers2007teaserposter.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Beyond good. Beyond evil. Beyond your wildest imagination]]

'''''Transformers''''' is a live-action movie released by [[DreamWorks]], with Executive Producer [[Steven Spielberg]] and Director [[Michael Bay]]. The principal cast members are [[Shia LaBeouf]], [[Jon Voight]], and [[Megan Fox]], with [[Peter Cullen]] and [[Hugo Weaving]] as the voices of the Transformers iconic leaders. Character designs and visual effects were created by [[Industrial Light and Magic]], the effects-wizards behind the ''[[Star Wars]]'' films.

Originally slated to release in the summer of 2006, the film arrived in US theaters on July 3, 2007, and hit UK theaters on July 27 and French theaters on July 25. It premiered in Australia on June 12, 2007, and was was released there and in a number of Asian countries on June 28, 2007. An extended cut of the film featuring footage not in the original was released to IMAX theatres on September 21, 2007.

==Main cast==

{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"
! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human]]s
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] ([[Mark Ryan]])
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] ([[Jess Harnell]])
*[[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]] ([[Darius McCrary]])
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] ([[Peter Cullen]])
*[[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] ([[Robert Foxworth]])

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |
*[[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] ([[Jess Harnell]])
*[[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]]
*[[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]] ([[Jimmie Wood]])
*[[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]]* / Devastator
*[[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]] ([[Reno Wilson]])
*[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] ([[Hugo Weaving]])
*[[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]]
*[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] ([[Charles Adler]])

| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |
*[[Tom Banachek]] ([[Michael O'Neill]])
*[[Mikaela Banes]] ([[Megan Fox]])
*[[Bobby Bolivia]] ([[Bernie Mac]])
*[[Robert Epps]] ([[Tyrese Gibson]])
*[[John Keller]] ([[Jon Voight]])
*[[William Lennox]] ([[Josh Duhamel]])
*[[Maggie Madsen]] ([[Rachael Taylor]])
*[[Reggie Simmons]] ([[John Turturro]])
*[[Glen Whitmann]] ([[Anthony Anderson]])
*[[Judy Witwicky]] ([[Julie White]])
*[[Ronald Witwicky]] ([[Kevin Dunn]])
*[[Samuel James Witwicky|Sam Witwicky]] ([[Shia LaBeouf]])
|}

<nowiki>* - Brawl is named "Devastator" in the film itself, but "Brawl" in the toyline and all other supporting media. Plot summaries and such will reflect whichever name is relevant to that being described.</nowiki>

==Technical details==
'''Length:''' 144 min (original theatrical)<ref>The movie had some content cuts to meet the standards of some <strike>oppressive regimes</strike> quaint "developing world" rating boards.</ref>

'''Aspect Ratio:''' 2.35:1

'''Audio:''' Dolby Digital / DTS / SDDS

'''Content Rating:'''
{{columnlist|4|
* PG-13 (USA/MPAA)
* ? (Japan)
* 12A (United Kingdom)
* PG (Canada; British Columbia)<ref>''Transformers'' received a "14A" rating in British Columbia, but an appeal by the studio successfully reduced it to PG.</ref>
* G (Canada; Quebec)
* PG (Canada; Alberta/Manitoba/Nova Scotia/Ontario)
* PG (Taiwan)
* IIA (China; Hong Kong)
* PG (not-yet-China; Singapore)
* G (Philippines/MTRCB)
* U (France)
* U (Malaysia)
* M (Australia)
* M (New Zealand)
* TE (Chile)
* 10 (Brazil)
* 10M (South Africa)
* 11 (Denmark)
* K-11 (Finland)
* 11 (Norway)
* 11 (Sweden)
* 12 (Germany)
* 12A (Ireland)
* 12 (Netherlands)
* M/12 (Portugal)
* 12 (South Korea)
* 12 (Switzerland)
* 13 (Argentina)
* 14 (Peru)
}}

==Short synopsis==
[[Image:Prime-Sam-Mikaela-poster.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Optimus...]]

The movie features [[Sam Witwicky]], a plucky teenager who just wants a cool car, but gets more than he bargained for. The beater he and his father take home is actually [[Bumblebee]], an alien robot from the planet [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], who plants Sam down in the middle of a civil war between Bumblebee's benevolent [[Autobot]] comrades and the evil [[Decepticon]]s who threaten the galaxy's peace. Both sides are after the [[All Spark]], a mysterious artifact that landed on Earth ten thousand years ago. The approaching robot-against-robot battle is a coming-of-age moment for Sam, who learns the meaning of his family's motto, "No sacrifice, no victory."

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==Full synopsis==

[[Image:Allspark movie.jpg|thumb|right|200px|With this, I shall make you my slave!]]
The film begins with the history of Cybertron's destruction at the hands of Megatron, and his quest to obtain the All Spark. Megatron discovers the All Spark on Earth, but crash-lands in the Arctic Circle, becoming frozen in the ice. Captain Archibald Witwicky and his crew of explorers stumble upon Megatron's body in the late 19th century. Megatron's navigational system is unintentionally activated, and Archibald's eye glasses are imprinted with the coordinates to the All Spark's location. Sector Seven, a secret organization of the United States government, discovers the All Spark and builds the Hoover Dam around it to mask its energy signal. The still-frozen Megatron is moved into this facility, and is reverse engineered to further advance human technology.

[[Image:Movie Blackout SOCCENT.JPG|thumb|left|200px|Let the slaughter begin!]]
In the present day, the rest of the Decepticons — Blackout, Scorponok, Frenzy, Barricade, Starscream, Bonecrusher, and Devastator — have already landed on Earth and assumed the disguise of Earth vehicles. Blackout and Scorponok attack the U.S. SOCCENT Forward Operations Base in Qatar in an effort to use the military database to discover the location of Megatron and the All Spark, but they do not succeed. A small group of survivors under Captain William Lennox wander through the desert and are followed by Scorponok. The Autonomous Robotic Organism (shortened to "Autobot") known as Bumblebee is also on Earth, disguised as a 1977 Chevrolet Camaro, and looking for Sam Witwicky, the descendant of Captain Archibald Witwicky. As soon as he locates Sam, the two quickly begin to bond as Bumblebee helps Sam try and woo his crush, Mikaela Banes. Sam is unaware of the fact that Bumblebee is an alien, until he witnesses Bumblebee transform and send out a homing signal for the rest of the Autobots.

[[Image:Movie_Scorponok_leapsout.jpg|right|thumb|200px|I thought you were made of sterner stuff.]]
At the Pentagon, Defense Secretary John Keller oversees the investigation into the attack in Qatar. After Blackout's failure, Frenzy infiltrates Air Force One and attempts to download the all information relating to "Project Iceman". However, Maggie Madsen, one of the technicians studying the Decepticon infiltration signal, discovers Frenzy's actions and convinces the Pentagon to take down the Defense Network, halting Frenzy's download. When Air Force One makes an emergency landing, Frenzy slips into Barricade, and discusses his discovery of Archibald Witwicky, who has seen [[Cybertronian languages|their language]]. Using an internet search, they discover that Sam's glasses will that will lead the Decepticons to the All Spark. Frenzy and Barricade begin tracking Sam's location. Back in Qatar, the army rangers are attacked by Scorponok, who take refugee in a nearby village. Calling the Pentagon and getting air support, they discover that the Decepticons are vulnerable to high heat weaponry such as sabot rounds. Using this information, the soldiers inform the Pentagon that they now have a weapon.

[[Image:Movie Autobots.JPG|thumb|200px|left|Wheelie say find friends today.]]
Barricade confronts Sam, demanding Archibald's glasses. Bumblebee, who is following Sam, transforms and battles Barricade. Mikaela, who is also following Sam, is caught in the crossfire, but Bumblebee is able to defeat Barricade, while Mikaela decapitates Frenzy, who is still functioning and hides in Mikaela's purse as her cellphone. Bumblebee takes Sam and Mikaela to rendezvous with the rest of the Autobots. The Autobots—Optimus Prime, Jazz, Ironhide, and Ratchet—land on Earth and take on the forms of several Earth vehicles. They all meet in a dark, secluded alley, transform in front of the two amazed humans, introduce themselves and tell of the reasons they had to come to Earth to Sam and Mikaela. Meanwhile, Maggie made a copy of the intrusion signal and shows it to her friend Glenn Whitmann, who discovers a message with the signal about Sector Seven, Captain Witwicky, and Project Iceman. However, the FBI arrest Glenn and Maggie, who desperately tries to convince them not to go to war with the wrong country.

[[Image:Movie Autobots Sector Seven.JPG|right|thumb|200px|I'll use the universal greeting.]]
Sam, Mikaela, and the Autobots then return to Sam's home to retrieve the glasses. However, agents from [[Sector Seven]] arrive to take Sam and Mikaela into custody. Reggie Simmons, the agency's director, reveals that Mikaela has a criminal record and threatens Sam with life imprisonment, at which point the Autobots disable the convoy and rescue the teens. During the retreat, Sam and Mikaela are recaptured, and Bumblebee is also apprehended, against the pleas of Sam who assures the agents—to no avail—that he means them no harm. Prime orders the Autobots to let them go, unwilling to use deadly force against the humans. At the Pentagon, a virus Frenzy uploaded during the Air Force One hack causes a global communications blackout, while Keller is finally informed of the Decepticons. After Bumblebee's capture, Optimus uses the glasses locate the All Spark at Hoover Dam, and declares that if they cannot defeat the Decepticons, he will merge the Cube with his spark.

[[Image:Movie Optimus Megatron.JPG|thumb|left|200px|One shall stand. One shall fall]]
Sam, Mikaela, Keller, Maggie, Glenn, and Lennox's unit are brought to Hoover Dam, where they are shown the frozen Megatron and the All Spark, while Frenzy slips away. Locating the All Spark, he sends out an alert to Starscream, who mobilizes the the rest of the Decepticons. Due to Starscream's attack and Frenzy's sabotage, Megatron begins to revive, and Sam convinces the Sector Seven agents to release Bumblebee so that he can get the All Spark to Optimus Prime. The Decepticons chase the Autobots, who now possess the All Spark, into Mission City.

Glenn, Maggie, Keller, and Simmons manage to contact the Air Force and direct F22s to Mission City. An ensuing battle results in casualties for both sides, including Jazz, who is killed by Megatron, while Bumblebee is crippled in an explosion. As Lennox orders Sam to take the All Spark to a building to be removed from the city, under escort from Ironhide and Ratchet, Megatron and Optimus Prime battle, while the soldiers remain to fight Devastator. Mikaela drags the injured Bumlebee away from the battle with a tow truck, but goes back, with Bumblebee's weapons killing Devastator. Ironhide and Ratchet are incapacitated by Starscream, and Megatron joins the pursuit.

[[Image:Megatron allspark merge.JPG|right|thumb|200px|Now, light our darkest hour!]]
Sam's helicopter is destroyed by Starscream, and Prime challenges Megatron. The battle is fierce and dominated by Megatron. Blackout attempts to assist Megatron, but is killed by Lennox and the Air Force before he can engage. Starscream hides among a raptor squadron, destroying three fighters. Despite this, the Air Force and Lennox's rangers manage to inflict serious damage on Megatron, but he is still functional, and heading toward the Cube. Finally, with both Prime and Megatron weakened, Prime beckons Sam to shove the All Spark into his chest, destroying them both, but Sam instead takes the riskier action of shoving the All Spark into Megatron's chest.

''Note: for an extensive synopsis of the battle, see separate article [[Mission City]].''

[[Image:Movie Optimus ending.JPG|left|thumb|200px|[['Til all are one]]!]]
Optimus thanks Sam for his courage and for saving his life, while Bumblebee, who has regained his voice, asks permission to remain with Sam, which is granted. In an attempt to cover up the existence of the Transformers, Sector Seven is disbanded, while the remains of the Decepticons are cast into the Laurentian Abyss. With no other home to go to—Cybertron having been destroyed by Megatron—the Autobots decide to stay on Earth, and Optimus sends out a signal across space in an effort to locate any surviving Autobots, while Sam and Mikaela begin a relationship. Starscream, one of the Decepticons that survived the battle, leaves Earth.

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==Quotes==
"Before time began, there was the Cube. We know not where it comes from, only that it holds the power to create worlds and fill them with life. That was how our race was born. For a time, we lived in harmony, but like all great power, some wanted it for good, others for evil. And so began the war - a war that ravaged our planet until it was consumed by death, and the Cube was lost to the far reaches of space. We scattered across the galaxy, hoping to find it and rebuild our home, searching every star, every world. And just when all hope seemed lost, message of a new discovery drew us to an unknown planet called... Earth. But we were already too late."
:—'''Optimus Prime's''' opening narration

"Sir, look outside—do you see that man sitting in the green car? That's my dad. Let me tell you a story about a dream, a boy's dream: A man promised to buy his son a car if I brought up three A's and two thousand dollars. I already have the two thousand and two A's. Your B minus? Poof! Dream gone. Kaput. Now sir, ask yourself...what would Jesus do?"''
:—'''Sam Witwicky''' negotiates a better mark for his Family Genealogy project

'''Bobby Bolivia:''' "What with the semi-classic nature of the vehicle, slick wheels and custom paint job—" 
'''Sam:''' "The paint's faded!" 
'''Bobby:''' "Y-yeah, but it's custom." 
'''Sam:''' "It's custom faded?" 
'''Bobby:''' "Well, it's your first car, I wouldn't expect you to understand." ''Turns to Ron'' "Five grand." 
'''Ron:''' "No, not paying over four. Sorry." 
'''Bobby:''' ''Turns back to Sam'' "Kid, c'mon, get out, get out of the car." 
'''Sam:''' "No, no, no, you said cars pick their drivers!" 
'''Bobby:''' "Well sometimes they pick a driver with a cheap-ass father—out of the car." 
:—Negotiations over [[Bumblebee (Movie)|the car]] at Bolivia's Finest Quality Used Cars and Petting Zoo

''Sam's car leaves in a puff of black smoke'' 
"Wow...you are so cheap." 
"It's his first car...supposed to be like that."
:—'''Judy Witwicky''' comments on the car's condition to '''Ron'''

'''Capt. Lennox:''' "I need a credit card! Epps, where's your wallet?" 
'''Sgt. Epps:''' "Pocket!" ''Fires gun'' 
'''Lennox:''' "Which pocket?" 
'''Epps:''' "My ''back'' pocket!" ''Fires gun'' 
'''Lennox:''' "You got ten back pockets!" 
'''Epps:''' "Left cheek! Left cheek! ''Left cheek!''" 
:—Calling the Pentagon from Qatar gets complicated.

"Ready, heat's coming!" 
"What, BRING IT!" 
:—'''Lennox''' and '''Epps''' giving the green light for Strike Package Bravo to attack

'''Jazz''': "What about Bumblebee? What can't just leave him to die! And become some human experiment!" 
'''Optimus Prime''': He'll die in vain if we don't accomplish our mission. Bumblebee is a brave soldier. This is what he would want. 
'''Ironhide:''' "Why are we fighting to save the humans? They're a primitive and violent race." 
'''Optimus Prime:''' "Were we so different? They are a young species. They have much to learn...but I've seen goodness in them. Freedom is the right of all sentient beings.... You all know there is only one way to end this war: We must destroy the Cube. If all else fails, I will unite it with the spark in my chest." 
'''Ratchet:''' "That's suicide! The Cube is raw power—it could destroy you both." 
'''Optimus Prime:''' "A necessary sacrifice to bring peace to this planet.... We cannot let the humans pay for our mistakes. It's been an honor serving with you all. Autobots, roll out!" 
:—The '''Autobots''' discuss their next move.

"Humans don't deserve to live." 
"They deserve to choose for themselves!" 
"Then you will die with them! Join them in extinction!"
:—'''Megatron''' and '''Optimus Prime''' have some mid-battle banter, Transformers style

"Give me the All Spark, and you may live to be my ''pet''." 
"I'm never giving you this All Spark!" 
"Oh, ''so'' unwise..."
:—'''Megatron''' and '''Sam Witwicky''' have a tense moment on a Mission City rooftop.

"With the All Spark gone, we cannot return life to our planet. And fate has yielded its reward: a new world to call...home. We live among its people now, hiding in plain sight...but watching over them in secret...waiting...protecting. I have witnessed their capacity for courage, and though we are worlds apart, like us, there's more to them than meets the eye. I am Optimus Prime, and I send this message to any surviving Autobots taking refuge among the stars: We are here...we are waiting."
:—'''Optimus Prime's''' closing narration

==Production staff==

[[Image:Movie_Castandcrew2.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Megatron? Is that you?!]]

* Executive Producer: [[Steven Spielberg]]
* Executive Producer: [[Brian Goldner]]
* Director: [[Michael Bay]]
* Producers: [[Lorenzo di Bonaventura]], [[Ian Bryce]], [[Tom DeSanto]], [[Don Murphy]]
* Story by: [[Alex Kurtzman]] & [[Roberto Orci]] and [[John Rogers]],
* Screenwriters: [[Alex Kurtzman]] & [[Roberto Orci]]
* Music by: [[Steve Jablonsky]]

====Visual effects====
* Visual Effects by: [[Industrial Light and Magic]], [[Digital Domain]]
* Production Designer: [[Jeff Mann]]
* Lead Robot Illustrator: [[Ben Procter]]
* ILM Visual Effects Supervisior: [[Scott Farrar]]
* Art Director: [[Alex Jaeger]]

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==Other editions==
The 2007 Transformers film has more than one 'cut.'

* The worldwide theatrical release was essentially identical all around the world with a few minor exceptions.
** The film board of Malaysia{{fact}} required [[Judy Witwicky]]'s masturbation reference be removed. However, no such change has been made and her lines were not omitted from the film.
* The [[Wikipedia:IMAX|IMAX]] edition of the movie features two minutes of additional footage in the form of slightly extended scenes and very brief new scenes. Added material includes the following:
**Before heading to the lake party, Sam is shown picking Miles up at his house. Miles derides Sam's choice of car colors.
**After Sam is questioned by the sheriff at the police station, he is given an anti-drug bumper sticker and shown the "[[wikipedia:This is Your Brain on Drugs|This is Your Brain on Drugs]]" [[Public service announcement|PSA]] starring [[wikipedia:Rachel Leigh Cook|Rachel Leigh Cook]].
**After abducting Sam and Mikaela, Agent Simmons uses a device to monitor Sam's pupil dilation while interrogating him in the truck. He also remarks that he has "been there" when it comes to women with criminal records.
**Upon arriving at Hoover Dam, Simmons remarks colorfully that it is "Area 50". A few minutes later, he lists the nicknames of all the U.S. Presidents to have toured the facility.
**In Mission City, Lennox acquires short-range radios from a gun-toting, but easily-flattered, pawn shop owner.

==Prequel material==
Prior to the movie's release [[IDW]] Publishing released a four issue limited comic series entitled "[[Prime Directives]]", which chronicles the events which bring the Transformers to [[Earth]]. An animated version will be featured on the DVD.[http://tformers.com/Animated-Movie-Prequel-A-Movie-DVD-Bonus-Feature/8268/news.html] A novel, ''[[Transformers: Ghosts of Yesterday]]'', is about the truth behind humankind's first venture into space and how that event is related to the Transformers' presence on Earth, both past and present.

Since the movie's plot brings the audience into things from Sam's POV, as he learns of not only the Transformers' war but mankind's past history with Cybertronians, the prequel material provides a better handle on the intricate storyline.

It should be noted, however, that some dialogue in the film contradicts the prequel material, specifically pertaining to the years in which the frozen Megatron was moved from the Arctic to Hoover Dam.

Included in a Wal-Mart 2-Disc exclusive of the Movie DVD is a bonus disc entitled ''Transformers Beginnings'' a not-really-animated animatic version of IDW's Prime Directives prequel comics, voiced by some of the actors from the movie, the game and a bunch of other people.

==Sequels==
''See [[Transformers 2]].''

A sequel to this film is in production and is scheduled for release in 2009.

IDW is also releasing comic sequel to the film featuring Starscream as the main Decepticon.

==Soundtrack==
[[Image:Transformers soundtrack .jpg|thumb|You got the touch. You got the power.]]
On July 3, 2007, Warner Bros Records released a ''Transformers'' soundtrack full of songs from or inspired by the motion picture.

*1. "What I've Done" - [[Linkin Park]]
*2. "Doomsday Clock" - [[Smashing Pumpkins]]
*3. "This Moment" - [[Disturbed]]
*4. "Before It's Too Late (Sam and Mikaela's Theme)" aka "Fiction" - [[Goo Goo Dolls]]
*5. "Pretty Handsome Awkward" - [[The Used]]
*6. "Passion's Killing Floor" - [[HIM]]
*7. "What It Feels Like To Be A Ghost?" - [[Taking Back Sunday]]
*8. "Second To None" - [[Styles Of Beyond]]
*9. "End Of The World" - [[Armor For Sleep]]
*10. "Retina and the Sky" - [[Idiot Pilot]]
*11. "Technical Difficulties" - [[Julien-K]]
*12. "Transformers Theme" - [[MuteMath]]

==Score==
[[Image:Transformersthescore.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Jam that transmission!]]

On October 9, 2007, Warner Bros Records released a ''Transformers'' score featuring the instrumental music composed by [[Steve Jablonsky]].

*1. Autobots
*2. Decepticons
*3. The All Spark
*4. Deciphering The Signal
*5. Frenzy
*6. Optimus
*7. Bumblebee
*8. SOCCENT Attack
*9. Sam At The Lake
*10. Scorponok
*11. Cybertron
*12. Arrival To Earth
*13. Witwicky
*14. Downtown Battle
*15. Sector 7
*16. Bumblebee Captured
*17. You're A Soldier Now
*18. Sam On The Roof
*19. Optimus Vs. Megatron
*20. No Sacrifice, No Victory

{{Note|The tracks "Optimus Vs. Megatron" and "No Sacrifice, No Victory" were used during various [[wikipedia:New England Patriots|New England Patriots]] promos for [[wikipedia:Super Bowl XLII|Super Bowl XLII]].}}

==DVD release==
* '''US:''' [http://tformers.com/US-To-Get-Transformers-DVD-HD-DVD-October-16th/8350/news.html October 16th, 2007] (DVD, HD-DVD)
* '''Australia:''' November 1st, 2007 (DVD)
* '''United Kingdom:''' December 3rd, 2007 (DVD,HD-DVD)

There are nearly a dozen store [[exclusive]] [http://tformers.com/Transformers-DVD-Exclusives-Who-Gets-What/8534/news.html versions and sales premiums of the DVD.] They include:
* Target and HMV UK: transforming Optimus Prime display case.
* Best Buy: [[Robot Heroes]] [[Cliffjumper (Movie)|Cliffjumper]] and battle-damaged Optimus Prime.
* Wal-Mart: [[Transformers Beginnings]] "animated" prequel material.
* Borders: "Making Of" book.
* Circuit City: password unlocking 15 minutes of exclusive online behind-the-scenes featurettes, covering the voice recording sessions, prop construction, stunt work, and early CG tests and animatics.

==Reception==
The movie set multiple records when it opened, including biggest opening week gross for a non-sequel ($155.4 million), biggest Tuesday release gross ($27.4 million), biggest July 4th gross ($29 million), and the biggest foreign film opening in mainland China ($3 million).

The movie closed domestically on November 8, 2007, during which time it took in $319,071,806. (Domestic gross accounted for $310,578,372 before the IMAX version's release.) As of November 15, 2007, it has earned a ''worldwide'' gross of $702,918,603. It currently sits [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic.htm at spot #19] in the "most domestic gross" list of movies, though this listing is ''not'' adjusted for inflation. When taking inflation into account, ''Transformers'' [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm just ekes in at spot #95].

{{quote|I didn’t sleep through it the way I Novocained my way through the awful ''Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix'', but by the time it ended, I thought I might have vertigo or whiplash, or both, and I certainly lost more than a few of my remaining I.Q. points.|[http://www.observer.com/2007/bay-bombs-again Rex Reed]}}

{{quote|It's goofy fun with a lot of stuff that blows up real good, and it has the grace not only to realize how preposterous it is, but to make that into an asset.|Roger Ebert}}

{{quote|But it’s tough to really care about questions like, “Why did that happen?” or even “What’s going on?” when you’re constantly interrupted by “Oh my goodness! Giant robots! Weeee!”|Peter Suderman|[http://tinyurl.com/373rps The National Review]}}

Critical reception was hit-and-miss, [http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/transformers_the_movie/ more positive than negative but not by a lot], though it's sometimes hard to tell how many negative reviewers were more interested in criticizing [[Michael Bay]] in general over the movie itself. Otherwise, the most common negatives involved it being a generally think-free "spectacle"-style movie; even those who rated the movie positively noted it was a pure "popcorn" movie meant to wow its audience with [[CGI]] and explosions rather than make them think (Richard Roper noted in his "thumbs up" review "it has no nutritional value"). Whether one considers that a good or bad thing for a movie and if the movie was enough fun to overcome that is, of course, highly debatable. The other main culprit, again noted by many of the positive reviews, was its long running time, particularly the overly-chaotic, often hard-to-follow final big-bang extended ending action sequence. ([http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070705/REVIEWS/70620006/1023 Roger Ebert] noted that this sequence was what made him give the movie three out of four stars rather than the full four.)

Transformers was nominated for three Oscars, in the fields of Achievement in Sound Editing, Achievement in Sound Mixing, and Achievement in Visual Effects. The sound awards went to ''The Bourne Ultimatum'', and the visual effects award went to ''The Golden Compass''.

Currently, two sequels are planned, with [[Shia LaBeouf]] and [[Peter Cullen]] signed for both. Michael Bay, Spielberg, and the two screenwriters have also returned, with pre-production already underway. Filming for TF2 is scheduled to begin in June 2008, for a planned release date of June 2009.

==Trivia==
* The Autobot computer generated models consisted of 35,592 total pieces, 7,435,478 polygons, 95,247 rig nodes, and 20,258 texture maps. If laid end to end, the pieces would stretch 3.11 miles.

* For all the robots combined, there are 60,217 pieces of geometry, 123,509,502 polygons, 144,341 rigging nodes, and 34,215 texture maps.<ref>Robertson, Barbara (2007). Heavy Metal. ''Computer Graphics, 30''(7), 12-17.</ref>

* The events of the movie span 4-5 days.

* The irony of the movie is that neither the Autobots nor the Decepticons were referred to once as "Transformers".

==Transformer References==
The movie contains a number of nods and winks to previous iterations of ''Transformers'', primarily from [[Generation 1]]. Some of these were included in direct response to urgings of the fans; others originated with the production crew.
* The basic story set-up is similar to many iterations of the ''Generation 1'' story -- two warring factions, the noble Autobots and the power-hungry Decepticons, arrive on Earth, having left their devastated home planet, the war-torn mechanical world of Cybertron.
* Many of the featured Transformers are re-imagined versions of characters from ''Generation 1''. [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] in particular are similar in physical form and characterization to their movie incarnations. The original versions of [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]], and [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] differ in appearance but fulfill story roles similar to their Movie versions.
* Though the characters are new, "[[Frenzy]]", "[[Scorponok]]", "[[Brawl (G1)|Brawl]]", "[[Devastator (disambiguation)|Devastator]]", "[[Blackout]]", "[[Barricade]]", and "[[Bonecrusher]]" are all names that have been used on Transformer characters before.
* Blackout's symbiotic relationship with Scorponok originated as an interpretation of [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and his cassette troops. Frenzy's transformation into a portable stereo is likewise an homage to Soundwave's cassette deck alternate form.
* Sam shares his last name with the [[Spike Witwicky|main human allies]] of the Autobots in the original ''[[Generation 1 (cartoon)|Generation 1 cartoon]]''.
* The Autobot faction symbol seen on Bumblebee and others is basically unchanged from its ''Generation 1'' appearance.
* The All Spark takes its name from [[Allspark|a concept]] originally introduced in ''[[Beast Machines (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]''.
* The original G1 [[transformation]] sound pops up several times during the course of the film, such as Blackout's first conversion sequence (though truth be told it sounds more like it's being broadcast from a loudspeaker.)
[[Image:Movie BoliviasFinestQualityUsedCars 2.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Your bargaining posture is highly dubious.]]
* In his first appearance, Bumblebee parks next to a yellow Volkswagen Beetle—the alternate form of [[Bumblebee (G1)|G1 Bumblebee]].
* When instructing the Autobots to escape Sector Seven and when they later head for Hoover Dam, Optimus Prime delivers his catchphrase from the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|''Generation 1'' cartoon]], ordering them to [[roll out|"Roll out!"]]
* Prime references "the spark within my chest". [[Spark]]s{{m-}}the life-force that makes Transformers alive{{m-}}have been an integral part of Transformers fiction since ''[[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]''.
* Optimus Prime's line "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" is the quote from his original 1984 [[bio]].
* The scene in which Jazz yanks aside Devastator's tank barrel is a direct homage to a similar sequence from TF:TM involving Kup and Blitzwing.
* Prime's line "...one shall stand; one shall fall" comes from the 1986 animated ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''.

==Errors==
* Sunset occurs roughly every fifteen minutes.

*When Sam's car breaks down and Mikaela gets out to look at the engine, she leaves the passenger door open. When the car restarts and Sam leaves to close the hood, the passenger side door is now shut.

* After Bumblebee backs into a corner of the power plant to evade Barricade, there is a close up shot of him spinning his wheels to make his getaway. However, the shot of the wheels spinning is at a different location: the empty warehouse that Bumblebee and Barricade had raced through moments earlier.

* During the scene where Optimus Prime scans a truck for his new body, the passing truck has what appears to be an Autobot sigil on its grill, but the actual truck that Prime turns into at the end of the scene has a much wider, flatter symbol on the grill, quite possibly a Peterbilt sign.

* When Simmons replays Sam's "last words" recorded onto his cell phone, it doesn't match what he said in the scene where he actually recorded them.

* Some how, despite being in stasis lock for over 100 years from the second of landing on earth. Megatron miraculous learns english. Starscream for some reason talks to Megatron in english aswell despite having no need to. perhaps he was sick of being scolded in cybertronian and fancied a change

* When the Autobots arrive to rescue Sam and Mikaela from Agent Simmons, Ironhide is the first Autobot to reach the damaged SUV and the other Sector Seven agents. Behind him, Ratchet is making his way towards the SUV, while Jazz and Bumblebee have their respective weapons drawn. However, in the very next shot, Ratchet's gun is suddenly in front of Ironhide, who is now making two short steps towards the SUV, while Jazz's gun has been replaced by his hand (which he uses to magnetically pull Sector Seven's guns away). In the shot after that, Jazz is just standing around sans Sector Seven guns, while Bumblebee wanders up and draws his gun... again.

* When Lennox arrives as Sam and Mikaela are supposedly strapping Bumblebee with the tow truck's chains, Bumblebee is not actually there. When the shot changes angles to the other side of the truck, Bumblebee is sitting right beside the truck while Sam directs Mikaela to wrap Bumblebee in the chains. When Lennox tells Sam to evacuate the Cube, subsequent camera angles from this side of the truck are actually where Bumblebee was moments earlier, but he's not there again (it is unlikely the angle was meant to be from Bumblebee's perspective). When Sam starts to run off and Mikaela calls him back, Bumblebee is once again clearly not sitting beside the truck. In fact, the space he once occupied has the beige van he crawled out of, earlier in the battle.

* ''See also: [[Mission City]].''

===Not actually an error===
* Sam and Mikaela, as well as Maggie and Glenn arrive at Hoover Dam on the same helicopter despite being from opposite ends of the country. Occasionally cited as an error, it is actually a narrative oversight, as it is likely that Sam and Mikaela were held in custody at a U.S. Air Base while waiting for Maggie and Glen to arrive with Secretary Keller's party by plane, then they all left for Hoover Dam together on the helicopters.

==External links==
* [http://www.transformersmovie.com/ Transformersmovie.com]
* [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418279/ ''Transformers'' at IMDB.com]
* [http://www.transformersalbum.com/ ''Transformers The Albu''m]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformers_%28film%29 ''Transformers'' 2007 film on Wikipedia]
* [http://www.capalert.com/capreports/transformers.htm ''Transformers'' CAPalert.com review]

==References==

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'Til all are one

2008-01-24T02:39:04Z

80.7.22.241: /* IDW comics continuity */

{{disambig2|the catchphrase|the music CD set|'Til All Are One (CD)}}

[[Image:RodimusTFMMarvel.jpg|thumb|right|I SAID 'til all are one, grrrrrrr]]

'''"'Til all are one"''' is a phrase knit through [[Transformer]]s mythology and legend, often used as a rallying cry by the [[Autobot]]s. It's been translated as either until the end of the [[Great War]], when all Transformers shed their factional affiliations, or until all are rejoined into the [[Allspark]] of [[Primus]].

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 Animated Continuity===
The phrase was first introduced as [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]'s deathbed mantra, and it would then be repeated regularly by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], [[Hot Rod|Rodimus Prime]], and many of the other Autobots. {{storylink|Transformers: The Animated Movie}}

Having seized the [[Matrix of Leadership]], [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] gloated that "all shall be one" under his rule. {{storylink|The Burden Hardest to Bear}}

===Beast Wars===
[[Rhinox]] claims that the [[Allspark|Matrix dimension]] is a place "where all are one." {{storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 2)}}

===Beast Machines===
As [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] consumed the captured sparks of every Cybertronian, he urged "let us all become one!" {{storylink|Endgame Pt. III: Seeds of the Future}}

===Robots in Disguise===
[[Omega Prime]]'s [[Matrix Blade]] had this phrase written across the hilt.

===Unicron Trilogy===
====Cybertron====
When communicating with the Autobots, [[Primus]] would intone the phrase in reference to their quest to restore his Allspark. Later, when he created the ''[[Ark (Cybertron)|Ark]]'' out of the four cybertronian starships signifying the unity of the Transformers, he said that all were finally one. {{Storylink|End}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:Ancients.jpg|thumb|right|The Jedi Council has decided not to grant you the rank of master, young Prime.]]
In the [[War Within]], the Autobot [[Council of Ancients]] held court in a chamber embossed with the same logo that had appeared on Omega Prime's sword.

The [[Seal of Primus]] also had 'til all are one written on it.

===IDW comics continuity===
[[Megatron Origin, Part 2|The Megatron Origin]] miniseries shows a much darker use for the phrase. During a gladiatorial death match between Megatron and an unnamed opponent, the crowd begin to chant the phrase, apparently attempting to goad Megatron into finishing off his opponent. It is unknown why the crowd would choose this chant to encourage a gladiator to kill someone. Possibley that one is last mech standing

This IDW series is based on the decline of Roman empire. The audience are the ones to decide the fate of the defeated gladiator, so they can tell the victor to kill the loser.

The chant may signify the union of Alpha and Omega (begining and end) of a Transformer's life.

==See also==
*[[Darkest hour]]

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Mega-Dinobot

2008-01-23T04:08:19Z

80.7.22.241: /* Trivia */

:''Mega-Dinobot is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Energon (franchise)|Energon]] portion of the [[Unicron Trilogy]].''

'''Mega-Dinobot''' is the combined form of the heavy-assault Autobots [[Grimlock (Energon)|Grimlock]] and [[Swoop (Energon)|Swoop]]. Though the two greatly enjoy splitting up to confuse and crush the [[Decepticon]]s, Mega-Dinobot mode is perfect for taking out anyone who managed to survive the initial onslaught.

==Toys==
===Energon===
*'''Grimlock & Swoop''' (Mega, 2005)

: Mega-Dinobot combines the individuals Grimlock and Swoop into a single robot mode. Both components came in a single Mega-class multi-pack.

==Trivia==
* The Grimlock/Swoop set was originally intended to be released in the ''[[Universe]]'' line, as the [[Swoop (G1)|original Generation 1 incarnations]]. However, a variety of factors shuffled the set into ''Energon'' and new-character-dom.

* This set was not "mech-designed" or engineered by [[Takara]] employees, a rarity for normal-series ''Transformers'' toys.

* This set mercifully bears no relation to the ''other'' Dinobot-combiner storyline, [[The Beast Within]].

* Mega-Dinobots robot mode face has teeth molded in similar to War Within Grimlock

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Autobot/Mega-Dinobot/mega-dinobot.htm Mega-Dinobot at TFU.info]

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Scale

2007-10-26T00:03:47Z

80.7.22.241: /* Citybots */

[[Image:OptimusSnakeEyes.jpg|right|thumb|300px|And the truck's ''how'' big...?]]
'''Scale''' in the ''Transformers'' multiverse is, to put not too fine a point on it, screwed.

Virtually no generation, era, franchise, fiction, toyline or other incarnation of ''Transformers'' has presented scale in a consistent, logical or easily-believable fashion (Save perhaps, [[Alternators]], but we all know where [[Kiss Players|having a scale consistent with a young girl]] leads). Most fans would agree that one needs to either ignore it or accept it, lest they be tempted to actually explain away these problems and in the process undoubtedly fanwank themselves into oblivion.

However, this does not mean that the chronic scale problems of ''Transformers'' do not merit description.

==Scale within toylines==
===Toys out of scale with others in the same line===
As is generally well known, the early [[Generation 1 (toyline)|Generation 1 toyline]], especially the entire pre-[[Transformers: The Movie|Movie]] lines, were created from repackaged and [[redeco]]ed toys from several different Japanese transforming toylines. The crucial point being that they came from ''different'' toylines. All characters (well, virtually all; see below) ''should'' be in correct scale to each other as they all are supposed to represent real-world altmodes that can pass for correctly-scaled vehicles. However, since the ''[[Diaclone]]'' toys were not designed to be part of the same line as ''[[Microman]]'' toys, scale issue arise. ''Diaclone'' figures such as [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] and [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] are more-or-less in correct scale to each other, but many of the [[Mini Vehicle]]s from the ''New Microman'' line are clearly far too small by comparison. Even aside from the deformed [[penny-racer]] style proportions, even a comparatively small car such as a [[Bumblebee (G1)|Volkswagen]] is disproportionately tiny when compared to a [[Jazz (G1)|Porsche]] that should be in the same scale. The disparity becomes all the more obvious with other [[minibot]]s such as [[Warpath]] and [[Seaspray]] whose [[altmode]]s would suggest that they should be many times their actual size.

[[Image:DiacloneScale.jpg|left|thumb|400px|That little guy — who comes from the same toyline as all those vehicles — is supposed to be a normal-sized human. Yyyeah.]]

Another glaring scale problem comes in the form of the [[Seeker]]s, who turn into F-15 Eagles which, in real life, are 63.8' (19.44m) long; which, if correctly scaled, would make their robot modes ''colossal'' compared to most Autobots. Similarly, the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]], despite also coming from the ''Diaclone'' line, are too small. Far worse are the other ''Diaclone''-born combiner team, the [[Trainbot]]s, who have train engine altmodes, ''much'' larger than cars, yet their toys are among the ''smallest'' of the original ''Diaclone'' releases.

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===Toys out of scale within teams===
Even toys specifically designed to interact with each other often suffer from this problem. The [[Combaticon]]s are wildly out of scale to each other — [[Blast Off]]'s space shuttle mode should dwarf the others, while [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] should be significantly smaller. Instead, they're about the same size. Among the aforementioned Constructicons, [[Long Haul (G1)|Long Haul]], like most dumptrucks in ''Transformers'', is actually one of those gigantic [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Liebherr_t282_1.jpg "earth-mover" mining trucks]. He should be able to carry all his teammates in his bed, with some crowding. Similarly, [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]] (a Concorde jet) is dramatically undersized compared to his fighter-jet [[Aerialbot]] teammates. These scale problems are necessary to avoid misproportioned gestalt forms.

===Same altmode, different sizes===
Other scale problems come from characters who transform into the same (or very similar) altmodes but whose toys are very different sizes. For example [[Air Raid (G1)|Air Raid]] transforms into an F-15 Eagle, but his toy is half the size of [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'s. The same can be said for [[Breakdown]], who, having a Lamborghini Countach altmode, should be in scale with [[Sunstreaker]]. By the same token, Warpath should be roughly the same size as [[Blitzwing]], but is instead considerably smaller. These discrepancies are also seen in the [[Stunticon]]s and all the Special Teams/[[Scramble City]]-type combiners with Earth-based altmodes, whose toys are all out of scale to similar toys in earlier waves.

===Toys out of scale with themselves===
[[Triple Changer|Triple-Changers]] create a whole new set of problems. [[Octane]] transforms from a roughly 60' tanker truck into a 200'-plus jumbo jet. [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] transforms from an Earth jet into an entire ''aircraft carrier,'' presumably sized to carry quite a few Earth jets.

Even a two-mode toy can have this problem. For example, 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime has wheels which are proportionally too small for a Freightliner truck, while similarly his rear section onto which a trailer would be hitched is much too thick. These out-of-proportion vehicle parts were necessary to give to his robot mode better robot proportions.

===Toys with roleplay altmodes===
The characters with roleplay altmodes such as [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]], [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]], or [[Laserbeak (Armada)|Armada Laserbeak]] are scaled to be human (well, kid)-scale. Since the [[size changing]] seen in the fiction is not possible for real toys (at least, that's what [[Takara]] ''wants'' us to think), this human-scaling makes in some cases for inordinately large toys in robot mode. E.g., [[Blaster]] in robot mode is taller than most other Transformers.

The opposite problem is seen with [[Megatron (G1) toys|Masterpiece Megatron]], whose robot mode was designed to be in scale with Masterpiece Optimus Prime. The result is that, while he transforms into a very accurately-proportioned handgun, it's much larger than the real thing.

===Fanciful altmodes===
Most post-[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|Movie]] G1 characters (and, for that matter, most post-G1 ''lines'') are difficult to accurately scale, as they generally transform into "futuristic" or "Cybertonian" vehicles for which there are no real-world specifications — or, indeed, they don't transform into vehicles at all. Therefore the scale of characters such as [[Hot Rod]] or [[Leobreaker]] are fairly arbitrary and can at best be estimated by their relative size to characters of the same scale within the fiction (although most animation is highly inconsistent in this regard, see below.) Nevertheless, if one presumes that most vehicle altmodes are intended to house human passengers, comparisons of toys such as [[Chromedome]] and [[Lightspeed (Technobot)|Lightspeed]] suggest a scale disparity similar to other combiners.

===Big toys===
It probably goes without saying that the citybot and planetbot toys (Such as [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] and [[Unicron]]) are not remotely to scale with normal Transformer toys. While they are indeed ''large'' toys, they're only two to five times bigger than typical Transformer toys, and thus transform into "cities" and "planets" about the (relative) size of a bungalow. The scale problems extend to the details; some of the citybots have visible windows, which are far too large for a believable city, suggesting instead a medium-sized building.

However, it's hard to begrudge Hasbro not offering us a [[Primus]] toy the size of an asteroid. Where would we keep it?

===An exception===
There has only been one notable exception to all of this scale weirdness; the ''[[Alternators]]'' toyline, where every item is a 1:24-scale representation of a real car model, and thus they are in near-perfect scale with each other. Unfortunately, for practical reasons this limits the choice of altmodes. A Blast Off (space shuttle) Alternator toy would be 5.1' (1.6m) long, while a Broadside (aircraft carrier) Alternator toy would be over 40' (12m).

== Scale within fictions ==
[[Image:TeenyCliff.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Frighteningly toy-accurate.]]

Scale issues abound within the fiction, especially the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]]. A lot can be attributed to animation errors, but some "errors" were deliberate choices, for a variety of reasons.

===Animated scale = toy scale===
In most cases, the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]] depicts characters to the same relative scale as the toys (with all those inherent problems), when depicting the characters in robot modes. Prime, Megatron and Soundwave are generally animated at the same height, Seekers and Autobot cars slightly shorter (although not ''as'' much shorter as the actual toys are), and [[Minibot]]s are given a smaller stature again. However, these depictions were ''far'' from consistent.

===Variation for characterization===
[[Image:Prime has a huge head.jpg|thumb|right|150px|With 20th Anniversary Prime and Smallest Transformers Bumblebee, you can actually recreate this scene.]] Some scale problems are for the sake of characterization. for example, Optimus Prime is routinely shown as being throughly gargantuan, equal to several stories in height and capable of cradling humans in the palm of one hand. Logically, assuming he's the same size as a real truck, Prime in robot mode would probably be about 25'-30' (8m-10m) tall, at best. He's drawn large because he's a leader character.

Conversely, [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] is sometimes shown as being only a few feet taller than an average human, where in reality he would be around 10'-15' (3m-5m) tall. He's drawn small because he's a human-friendly character, and a junior member of the Autobots.

And those pesky [[Seeker]]s remain a walking scale problem; in reality they would be among the largest everyday Transformers and would ''tower'' over their Autobot adversaries, whereas the animation generally depicts characters such as [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] and [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] as being approximately the same height. Even though jets are much larger than cars, they're drawn the same height so that the battles appear fair. (And also to make it easier to animate; blocking a shot where characters differ radically in height is difficult.)

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===Transport characters===
[[Image:MakeHoistHuffer.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Definitely ''not'' toy-accurate.]]Transformers that act as transport for other Transformers will often dramatically change size relative to their compatriots between one shot and the next. These radical changes in scale are usually attributed to [[Size_changing#Implicit size changing|implicit size changing]] by that portion of the fanbase who like to find explanations for things. The other explanation is that the animators hoped the audience wouldn't notice. (See the [[size changing]] article for more discussion of this topic.)

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===Combiner characters===
[[Image:DreamwaveCover6.jpg|right|thumb|200px|. . . since when is a sedan nine stories tall?]]

[[Combiner]] characters are often depicted as far larger than the sum of their parts. Characters such as [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] and [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] are frequently shown as [[That_big_green%2C_fire-snortin%27_lizard|Godzilla]]-sized or larger. When one thinks that their individual limbs are composed of mere cars and construction vehicles, this becomes patently absurd. ([[Superion (G1)|Superion]], by contrast, ''would'' be building-sized, given that his torso is a small passenger plane.)

Combiners are also often shown out-of-scale with other Transformers; a combiner with cars for legs and another car for its torso should be only twice as tall as a one-car Transformer, but they are routinely drawn as five to dozens of times taller than their comrades.

===Pretender characters===
The G1 [[Pretender|Pretenders]] had interesting scale issues. In the [[Generation 1 (Marvel Comics)|original comic]] the Pretenders appeared fairly literally as their toy counterparts; Transformer-sized robots inside (usually) humanoid shells. The result of this was that the [[Autobot]] Pretenders were depicted as giant-sized humans. This successfully disguised them (for about five seconds, literally) from the Decepticons, and also hid their mechanical nature from aliens. However, it was utterly useless at fooling humans. Further, in ''[[Guess Who the Mecannibals are Having for Dinner?]],'' [[Cloudburst]] exited his shell, transformed into jet mode, and then his shell (as well as [[Landmine]]) boarded him as a passenger. The fact that his shell was now much smaller than the "inner" robot was quietly glossed over; one assumes the sort of size-changing mentioned under ''Transport characters,'' above, was involved.

In the U.S. toy commercials, Grimlock, Bumblebee, and Jazz in their new Pretender forms were depicted as small enough to fit in Powermaster Optimus Prime's hand, so, in the [[micro-continuity]] of the commercials, at least, they were human-sized.

(The Japanese-only series ''[[Masterforce (cartoon)|Super-God Masterforce]]'' featured Pretenders who did not have outer shells but rather an ill-defined holistic transformation which explicitly involved size changing. A vaguely similar explanation appeared in [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave's]] ''[[More Than Meets The Eye]]'' encyclopedia.)

===Small Transformers===
The assorted toys produced over the decades to hit the lowest price point usually include "mini" or "micro" in their name, and they usually are depicted as smaller than other Transformers in the fiction as well.

====Micromasters====
The [[Micromaster]]s are roughly human-sized in robot mode, and thus virtually all of them turn into (generic or specific) Earth vehicles that are patently incapable of seating human passengers inside them. (The Marvel comic featured ''some'' of them implicitly size-changing to vehicles that were to human scale (as we saw humans riding inside), but this was rare.)

The [[Dreamwave]] miniseries ''[[Micromasters]]'' hinted at an explanation, suggesting that the Micromasters were Transformers scaled down to fit a smaller race of humans. This is met with skepticism from fan, in part because it still doesn't explain the scale problems ''within'' the line. All Micromasters are about the same height in robot-mode, but they transform into small cars, large trucks, planes, tanks, and other vehicles that should be of vastly different size. The alleged "smaller race of humans" must thus vary in size quite a bit, and only the really teeny ones get to fly the planes . . .

To be fair, there is little indication in most fiction that the Micromasters were (unlike the rest of G1) ''supposed'' to have ''any'' consistent scale. They were explictly downsized Transformers, and the scale problems inherent to that were tacitly acknowledged in the fiction. Their passenger compartments thus can be regarded as vestigial.

====Mini-Cons====
The [[Mini-Con]]s of the [[Unicron Trilogy]] are another race of small robots who stand approximately the same height as a human and, like the Micromasters before them, are clearly modeled to carry passengers. Really teeny passengers. (Notable exceptions are [[Grindor (Armada)|Grindor]], [[Sureshock]] and [[High Wire]], who become small one-man vehicles . . . well, ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'' Grindor doesn't.) In this continuity, there's no sign of mini-passengers. The prevailing theory is that the Mini-Cons scan normal vehicles and then resize them to fit their smaller bodies, retaining the now-useless passenger compartments. In the [[Cybertron (cartoon)|''Cybertron'' cartoon]], the [[Recon Mini-Con Team]] retain their slightly-larger-than-human robot modes, but their alternate modes are large enough to contain a single human passenger, thus implying either a modest amount of size-changing, or that their cockpits are just kinda cramped.

===Big Transformers===
On the other end of the scale, the problems posed by really big Transformers lie in how they interact with normal-sized ones.

====Citybots====
[[Image:EarlyGalvatronTVMagazine1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Okay, if you were ever ''this'' big in the cartoon, THEN we might be able to call you a city.]]

The characters [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], [[Trypticon]], [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] and [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] each have altmodes which are described as a "city" (with Fort Max being supposedly the biggest of the four). However, the scale at which they could plausibly house enough humans, ''let alone'' Transformers, to be in any way reasonably defined as a "city" would suggest a robot-mode scale that would make [[Hojoni|Godzilla]] look like a gecko. Suffice to say, they're rarely drawn that big. It doesn't help that many of these citybots have apparently "small" robots forming vital components. Fortress Maximus and Scorponok both have allaegedly human-sized beings forming their heads. (Fort Max has a [[Cerebros (G1)| middleman]] in there, but still.) [[Full-Tilt]], [[Six Gun]], and [[Slammer]] must logically be building-sized in their robot modes to remain in-scale with Trypticon and Metroplex, but, again, are not drawn as such. No fiction to date, not even the very large depiction in the Japanese ''[[Headmasters (cartoon)|Headmasters]]'' cartoon, even ''begins'' to approximate the size that a true "citybot" would logically become. In reality, the grossly-undersized depictions of [[Unicron]] (see below) would probably be closer to the scale of an actual transformed city. Which is ironic, as in Season 3 of the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]] Unicron requires citybot eyes to replace his own shattered ones. (Though, "realistically", his eyes should be the size of Texas, if not larger.) Rare examples which suggest a realistic citybot scale include occasional Japanese promotional art (e.g., at right).

The cartoon episode ''[[Thief in the Night]]'' makes some headway in explaining this via an establishing shot that shows Metroplex to be only a small smaller sub-section of the "actual" Autobot City, although this was not repeated. It seems that in Transformer terms, "city" is better read as "large building".

Although little fiction to date has significantly featured the Headmaster leaders fulfilling their "city" roles, they have in the Japanese-exclusive cartoons been employed in their tertiary modes as massive starships capable of transporting and housing many normal-sized Transformers. Conversely, the Marvel [[Generation 1 (comic)|G1 comic]] depicted Fort Max and Scorpy as merely "large-standard" size characters, of an equal height to Powermaster Optimus Prime and, in some UK issues, even the same as Rodimus Prime (to be fair, Powermaster Prime was often drawn "undersized" in the comics). Parts of ''[[Time Wars]]'' were notable in this department for featuring characters as diverse as [[Goldbug]], Fortress Maximus, and [[Blaster]] as all being the ''exact'' same height. Goldbug must transform into one big ol' car.

although with some of the city-bots toys i could be said that there city modes are in scale to the wst figures

====Planets and planetbots====
[[Image:Cybertronplanet.jpg|left|250px|thumb|If we're generous and assume Cybertron is only the size of Earth's moon, then the larger visible buildings are roughly the size of Massachusetts stood on end, and you could wedge ''France'' into that gash. (Which would probably improve both Cybertron and France.)]]

Scale when it comes to planets is so fraught it's almost painful. The logical problems of describing citybots as "cities" is a thousand times worse if [[Unicron]] is supposed to have a planet-sized altmode, and that Cybertron is in turn supposed to be in scale with him. Although different fictions have compared both [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]/[[Primus]] and Unicron to drastically different Sol-system planets, the fact remains that they are supposed to be ''planets'', and yet across most fictions they are shown in such insane scale to characters as to suggest they are the size of a very, very small moon (or a [[Darth Vader|space station]]).

To start with, [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] itself was depicted throughout G1 as having buildings visible from space. Although this was clearly intended to make it obvious that the planet was technological in nature, it makes no sense whatsoever, as such structures would have to be the size of small nations to be visible. If the buildings were in fact supposed to be skyscrapers (or even ''2000 A.D.'' style arcologies) sized for 30' (10m) robots , Cybertron would still be less than 100 miles (150km) across. By comparison, the rather [http://www.starwars.com/databank/location/coruscant/index.html Coruscant]-like shots of Cybertron in ''[[Beast Machines (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'' may be less distinctive or "Cybertronian", but are ''far'' more believable.

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[[Image:UnicronEatsGalvyMmmm.jpg|right|thumb|400px|Either [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvy]] is humungo, or [[Lithone]] is ''tiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnyyyyy!!!'']]

Unicron is a more extreme problem. If one assumes that no [[size changing]] occurs during his transformation, in robot mode he would be so massive that any shot featuring a recognizable ''part'' of his body, let alone the whole thing, would be of such a scale that no normal Transformer in the same frame would even be visible. His depiction in the ''[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|The Transformers: The Movie]]'' in which he directly interacts with normal-sized Cybertronian characters is blatantly absurd (regardless of how totally phat it looks). Shots such as the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] fleeing his grasping hand, a starship penetrating his eye or ''especially'' picking up Galvatron between his thumb and forefinger before swallowing him (or, in the comic, impaling [[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]] on his fingernail before crunching him between his teeth) bend any concept of "planetary" scale beyond breaking point. If Unicron is the size of a planet, his hands would be the size of continents. This would make Galvatron (in the image to the right) the size of Great Britain.

There is no explanation for any of this. Just go with it.

The depiction of Unicron's scale in ''[[Armada]]'' was (very debatably) a slight improvement, in as much as the concept of physical interaction with tiny beings was not even attempted. He preferred instead to communicate with normal Transformers by possessing [[Sideways|another body]] in their own scale. Nevertheless, shots featuring [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] and [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] standing on his neck are still ''farcically'' out of scale.

===An exception: The 2007 ''Transformers'' movie===
[[Image:Moviescale1.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Scale is absolutely not an issue in the movie. OBVIOUSLY.]]

The creators of the [[Transformers (2007)|live-action movie]] took great pains to avoid out-of-scale issues among characters with Earth-based alternate modes. (Well, greater than most previous franchises.) This is sometimes reflected in the choice of vehicle or the design of their robot modes. E.g., [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] is a extended hood truck cab in order to offer more mass to make a taller robot mode out of, and [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]'s robot mode is nearly as wide as it is tall, with shorter, digitigrade legs, so the massive jet-former won't end up twice as tall as Optimus. In the case of [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]], his huge alternate mode simply results in a hulking, towering robot mode.

There are still scale issues to be found, though. For example, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] can hold both [[Sam Witwicky|Sam]] and [[Mikaela Banes|Mikaela]] in one hand. Comparing this shot with when he picks up [[Archibald Witwicky|Archibald Witwicky's]] glasses a few minutes later, it seems the glasses have lenses a foot in diameter. This is a visual cheat so the glasses are visible to the audience. We also see [[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy's]] head, which is about the size of a human head, turning into a much smaller mobile phone.

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===Scale problems and size-changing===
Some fans interpret the many otherwise-unexplained scale issues above to all be the result of [[size changing]], but this is debatable. If virtually all characters use mass-shifting (or whatever) to gain or drop a few feet of height for no apparent reason, the technology would seem pointlessly mundane. There's also no sensible reason for, e.g., the Seekers to choose to be ''shorter'' when going into battle. A to-scale Starscream in robot mode could kick Bumblebee around like a soccer ball. Furthermore there is simply no positive evidence that size-changing is so widespread.

==Show scale vs. toy scale==
Some characters have great discrepancies between their cartoon scale and their toy scale. "Giant" characters such as [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] are, even aside from any [[size changing]] for transport purposes, clearly not in the same scale in toy form as they are depicted on screen. [[Mini-Cassettes|Cassette characters]] such as [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]'s toys are roughly the same height as most [[Minibot]]s, while in the show they are usually portrayed as human-sized (which is odd, considering that Soundwave is capable of expanding to massive size).

[[Hot Rod|Rodimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] are usually shown to be of a fairly similar height (although Magnus is much bulkier), whereas there is a considerable difference between the size of their toys. By the same token, Rodimus is always depicted as being an equal stature to his opposing leader [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], whereas the toy Galvatron is instead the same size as Magnus. Optimus Prime is also usually shown as only a head or so shorter than Magnus (if that), which gets very strange when you realise that a recolour of Prime's toy forms but a small part of Magnus' robot mode.

[[Image:ShrinkingHeavy.jpg|left|thumb|250px|I lost thirty tons, thanks to the Jump-Cut! Thank you, Jump-Cut!]]

[[Metroplex (Cybertron)|''Cybertron'' Metroplex]] and the other citizens of [[Gigantion]] are depicted as gargantuan in animation, whereas the toys are merely among the normal boxed size-classes. (Although, the Japanese [[Galaxy Force]] release, dubbed "Megalo Convoy", included an exclusive [[redeco]] of the [[Legends of Cybertron]] [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] to indicate the "correct" scale.) Within the animation, though, this causes problems with their Mini-Con partners, who are depicted as human-sized in robot mode by themselves, but when directly interacting with their larger partners, have their relative size in relation to the toy . . . meaning some temporarily gigantic Mini-Cons!

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== ''Beast Era'' scale ==
[[Image:RattrapLOVEScheetor.jpg|thumb|250px|right|I'm tellin' ya, ''all'' da rats in Brooklyn are dis big!]]
In the ''[[Beast Era]]'' scale is not such a large issue, although it certainly does crop up in less obvious (depending on your point of view) ways.

=== Real world scale ===
Although the Beast Warriors all seem to exist quite happily in their own relative scale, their scale in relation to the real-world animals they have adopted as [[altmode]]s is more problematic. While the "giant insect" characters such as [[Waspinator]] and [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] are obviously not in real world scale, when considered carefully virtually none of the characters actually are. The only characters who have been clearly depicted interacting with real members of their adopted species are [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] and [[Tigatron]], who (to take the former example) is seen attempting to interact with other cheetahs in ''[[Beast Wars, Part 1]]'', who react in fright. Cheetor was shown here to be in the same scale as real cheetahs, which effectively makes him the measuring stick for all other characters. Obviously [[Rattrap]] is therefore a monstrously huge rat, about the size of a large dog, [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] is a rather small rhinoceros, and [[Optimus Primal]] is probably a roughly normal-sized gorilla. However, [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] is therefore a positively dwarfish specimen of a ''Tyrannosaurus rex,'' possibly closer to a [[Wikipedia: Nanotyrannus|Nanotyrannus]].

The ''[[Beast Wars]]'' writers once noted that first-season Rattrap was five feet (1.5 metres) tall, and that the other characters can be scaled around that. This would make Rattrap one of the few Transformers who are ''shorter'' than the average adult human in robot mode.

In their few interactions with (adult) protohumans, the Cybertronian characters seem between twice and three times the average height of protohumans. Considering human ancestors really were smaller than modern humans, this scale issue is not as extreme as it may appear, but the point deserves addressing. Oddly enough, the smaller Beast Warriors still seem to interact with Autobot-scale computers and spacecraft quite happily, as seen in "Nemesis Part Two, where the remaining Maximals take control of an Autobot Shuttle and fly it home.

=== Scale relative to G1 ===
[[Image:Beastwarriors scale.jpg|thumb|left|Beast Megatron's size vs. Optimus Prime in America... and Japan. I guess the Blastizone adds on a few tons to [[Beast Era]] characters]]

[[Size changing]] appears to be a thing of the past by the Beast Era, as the majority of the Cybertronian race seems to have considerably downgraded in size, apparently due to the [[Maximal Upgrade]] Program (although this is of course a backwards rationalization, since the show's basic premise requires the characters to transform into [vaguely] normal-sized animals, compared to the G1 characters transforming into large vehicles etc.). When entering the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], the Beast Warriors are very small compared to the dormant G1 characters, especially [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. They are roughly the size humans should be (but usually weren't) depicted in relation to these characters.

On the other hand ''[[Robot Masters]]'' depicted G1 and BW characters like [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Optimus Primal]] as being exactly the same size. Yup. It's possible that passage through the [[Blasty Zone]] may somehow [[Wikipedia:Boom tube#Later Additions to the Concept|account for this discrepancy]],
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=== Toy scale vs. cartoon scale ===
[[Image:Beastwarsmaxgroup.jpg|right|thumb|350px|Pick the Ultra-class figure.]]

The first season's cast of ''[[Beast Wars |Beast Wars]]'' characters were not designed in the same relative scale to each other as depicted in the toyline, although from Season 2 onwards the scales (and general appearance) of the cartoon became much more consistent with the newer toys (however previously featured characters, such as Waspinator, remained the same throughout).

For example, of the Season 1 Maximal crew, [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]], Cheetor, [[Tigatron (BW)|Tigatron]] and Rhinox are all from the same deluxe [[size class]], while [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] and Rattrap are considerably smaller basics. Optimus Primal, an ultra, stands at virtually twice the size of the deluxes. In the show, Dinobot is the tallest, followed by Rhinox and a slightly shorter Optimus Primal, shorter again is Tigatron, while shorter still is Cheetor (despite being an identical mold) and Airazor, while Rattrap is marginally the shortest, but by no means to such a degree as his toy would suggest.

The ''[[Beast Machines (toyline)|Beast Machines]]''' toyline was far worse in terms of scale discrepancies with its cartoon, with the tallest character [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]] becoming the shortest ([[micro-continuity|show-featured]]) Maximal toy, and similarly the diminutive [[Nightscream (BM)|Nightscream]] was enlarged to a massive ultra-class. And, sadly, the most show-accurate toy in the line (well, ''sorta'' in the line...) "Air Attack [[Optimus Primal]]" was rendered as an enormous supreme figure, completely incompatible with the other toys.

==External links==
*[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/6db411e03e75a342?dmode=source Estimated "real-life" heights for several Transformers, derived from the size of their alt-modes, archived from alt.toys.transformers on groups.google.com]

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Scale

2007-10-26T00:03:15Z

80.7.22.241: /* Citybots */

[[Image:OptimusSnakeEyes.jpg|right|thumb|300px|And the truck's ''how'' big...?]]
'''Scale''' in the ''Transformers'' multiverse is, to put not too fine a point on it, screwed.

Virtually no generation, era, franchise, fiction, toyline or other incarnation of ''Transformers'' has presented scale in a consistent, logical or easily-believable fashion (Save perhaps, [[Alternators]], but we all know where [[Kiss Players|having a scale consistent with a young girl]] leads). Most fans would agree that one needs to either ignore it or accept it, lest they be tempted to actually explain away these problems and in the process undoubtedly fanwank themselves into oblivion.

However, this does not mean that the chronic scale problems of ''Transformers'' do not merit description.

==Scale within toylines==
===Toys out of scale with others in the same line===
As is generally well known, the early [[Generation 1 (toyline)|Generation 1 toyline]], especially the entire pre-[[Transformers: The Movie|Movie]] lines, were created from repackaged and [[redeco]]ed toys from several different Japanese transforming toylines. The crucial point being that they came from ''different'' toylines. All characters (well, virtually all; see below) ''should'' be in correct scale to each other as they all are supposed to represent real-world altmodes that can pass for correctly-scaled vehicles. However, since the ''[[Diaclone]]'' toys were not designed to be part of the same line as ''[[Microman]]'' toys, scale issue arise. ''Diaclone'' figures such as [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] and [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] are more-or-less in correct scale to each other, but many of the [[Mini Vehicle]]s from the ''New Microman'' line are clearly far too small by comparison. Even aside from the deformed [[penny-racer]] style proportions, even a comparatively small car such as a [[Bumblebee (G1)|Volkswagen]] is disproportionately tiny when compared to a [[Jazz (G1)|Porsche]] that should be in the same scale. The disparity becomes all the more obvious with other [[minibot]]s such as [[Warpath]] and [[Seaspray]] whose [[altmode]]s would suggest that they should be many times their actual size.

[[Image:DiacloneScale.jpg|left|thumb|400px|That little guy — who comes from the same toyline as all those vehicles — is supposed to be a normal-sized human. Yyyeah.]]

Another glaring scale problem comes in the form of the [[Seeker]]s, who turn into F-15 Eagles which, in real life, are 63.8' (19.44m) long; which, if correctly scaled, would make their robot modes ''colossal'' compared to most Autobots. Similarly, the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]], despite also coming from the ''Diaclone'' line, are too small. Far worse are the other ''Diaclone''-born combiner team, the [[Trainbot]]s, who have train engine altmodes, ''much'' larger than cars, yet their toys are among the ''smallest'' of the original ''Diaclone'' releases.

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===Toys out of scale within teams===
Even toys specifically designed to interact with each other often suffer from this problem. The [[Combaticon]]s are wildly out of scale to each other — [[Blast Off]]'s space shuttle mode should dwarf the others, while [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] should be significantly smaller. Instead, they're about the same size. Among the aforementioned Constructicons, [[Long Haul (G1)|Long Haul]], like most dumptrucks in ''Transformers'', is actually one of those gigantic [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Liebherr_t282_1.jpg "earth-mover" mining trucks]. He should be able to carry all his teammates in his bed, with some crowding. Similarly, [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]] (a Concorde jet) is dramatically undersized compared to his fighter-jet [[Aerialbot]] teammates. These scale problems are necessary to avoid misproportioned gestalt forms.

===Same altmode, different sizes===
Other scale problems come from characters who transform into the same (or very similar) altmodes but whose toys are very different sizes. For example [[Air Raid (G1)|Air Raid]] transforms into an F-15 Eagle, but his toy is half the size of [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'s. The same can be said for [[Breakdown]], who, having a Lamborghini Countach altmode, should be in scale with [[Sunstreaker]]. By the same token, Warpath should be roughly the same size as [[Blitzwing]], but is instead considerably smaller. These discrepancies are also seen in the [[Stunticon]]s and all the Special Teams/[[Scramble City]]-type combiners with Earth-based altmodes, whose toys are all out of scale to similar toys in earlier waves.

===Toys out of scale with themselves===
[[Triple Changer|Triple-Changers]] create a whole new set of problems. [[Octane]] transforms from a roughly 60' tanker truck into a 200'-plus jumbo jet. [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] transforms from an Earth jet into an entire ''aircraft carrier,'' presumably sized to carry quite a few Earth jets.

Even a two-mode toy can have this problem. For example, 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime has wheels which are proportionally too small for a Freightliner truck, while similarly his rear section onto which a trailer would be hitched is much too thick. These out-of-proportion vehicle parts were necessary to give to his robot mode better robot proportions.

===Toys with roleplay altmodes===
The characters with roleplay altmodes such as [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]], [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]], or [[Laserbeak (Armada)|Armada Laserbeak]] are scaled to be human (well, kid)-scale. Since the [[size changing]] seen in the fiction is not possible for real toys (at least, that's what [[Takara]] ''wants'' us to think), this human-scaling makes in some cases for inordinately large toys in robot mode. E.g., [[Blaster]] in robot mode is taller than most other Transformers.

The opposite problem is seen with [[Megatron (G1) toys|Masterpiece Megatron]], whose robot mode was designed to be in scale with Masterpiece Optimus Prime. The result is that, while he transforms into a very accurately-proportioned handgun, it's much larger than the real thing.

===Fanciful altmodes===
Most post-[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|Movie]] G1 characters (and, for that matter, most post-G1 ''lines'') are difficult to accurately scale, as they generally transform into "futuristic" or "Cybertonian" vehicles for which there are no real-world specifications — or, indeed, they don't transform into vehicles at all. Therefore the scale of characters such as [[Hot Rod]] or [[Leobreaker]] are fairly arbitrary and can at best be estimated by their relative size to characters of the same scale within the fiction (although most animation is highly inconsistent in this regard, see below.) Nevertheless, if one presumes that most vehicle altmodes are intended to house human passengers, comparisons of toys such as [[Chromedome]] and [[Lightspeed (Technobot)|Lightspeed]] suggest a scale disparity similar to other combiners.

===Big toys===
It probably goes without saying that the citybot and planetbot toys (Such as [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] and [[Unicron]]) are not remotely to scale with normal Transformer toys. While they are indeed ''large'' toys, they're only two to five times bigger than typical Transformer toys, and thus transform into "cities" and "planets" about the (relative) size of a bungalow. The scale problems extend to the details; some of the citybots have visible windows, which are far too large for a believable city, suggesting instead a medium-sized building.

However, it's hard to begrudge Hasbro not offering us a [[Primus]] toy the size of an asteroid. Where would we keep it?

===An exception===
There has only been one notable exception to all of this scale weirdness; the ''[[Alternators]]'' toyline, where every item is a 1:24-scale representation of a real car model, and thus they are in near-perfect scale with each other. Unfortunately, for practical reasons this limits the choice of altmodes. A Blast Off (space shuttle) Alternator toy would be 5.1' (1.6m) long, while a Broadside (aircraft carrier) Alternator toy would be over 40' (12m).

== Scale within fictions ==
[[Image:TeenyCliff.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Frighteningly toy-accurate.]]

Scale issues abound within the fiction, especially the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]]. A lot can be attributed to animation errors, but some "errors" were deliberate choices, for a variety of reasons.

===Animated scale = toy scale===
In most cases, the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]] depicts characters to the same relative scale as the toys (with all those inherent problems), when depicting the characters in robot modes. Prime, Megatron and Soundwave are generally animated at the same height, Seekers and Autobot cars slightly shorter (although not ''as'' much shorter as the actual toys are), and [[Minibot]]s are given a smaller stature again. However, these depictions were ''far'' from consistent.

===Variation for characterization===
[[Image:Prime has a huge head.jpg|thumb|right|150px|With 20th Anniversary Prime and Smallest Transformers Bumblebee, you can actually recreate this scene.]] Some scale problems are for the sake of characterization. for example, Optimus Prime is routinely shown as being throughly gargantuan, equal to several stories in height and capable of cradling humans in the palm of one hand. Logically, assuming he's the same size as a real truck, Prime in robot mode would probably be about 25'-30' (8m-10m) tall, at best. He's drawn large because he's a leader character.

Conversely, [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] is sometimes shown as being only a few feet taller than an average human, where in reality he would be around 10'-15' (3m-5m) tall. He's drawn small because he's a human-friendly character, and a junior member of the Autobots.

And those pesky [[Seeker]]s remain a walking scale problem; in reality they would be among the largest everyday Transformers and would ''tower'' over their Autobot adversaries, whereas the animation generally depicts characters such as [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] and [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] as being approximately the same height. Even though jets are much larger than cars, they're drawn the same height so that the battles appear fair. (And also to make it easier to animate; blocking a shot where characters differ radically in height is difficult.)

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===Transport characters===
[[Image:MakeHoistHuffer.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Definitely ''not'' toy-accurate.]]Transformers that act as transport for other Transformers will often dramatically change size relative to their compatriots between one shot and the next. These radical changes in scale are usually attributed to [[Size_changing#Implicit size changing|implicit size changing]] by that portion of the fanbase who like to find explanations for things. The other explanation is that the animators hoped the audience wouldn't notice. (See the [[size changing]] article for more discussion of this topic.)

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===Combiner characters===
[[Image:DreamwaveCover6.jpg|right|thumb|200px|. . . since when is a sedan nine stories tall?]]

[[Combiner]] characters are often depicted as far larger than the sum of their parts. Characters such as [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] and [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] are frequently shown as [[That_big_green%2C_fire-snortin%27_lizard|Godzilla]]-sized or larger. When one thinks that their individual limbs are composed of mere cars and construction vehicles, this becomes patently absurd. ([[Superion (G1)|Superion]], by contrast, ''would'' be building-sized, given that his torso is a small passenger plane.)

Combiners are also often shown out-of-scale with other Transformers; a combiner with cars for legs and another car for its torso should be only twice as tall as a one-car Transformer, but they are routinely drawn as five to dozens of times taller than their comrades.

===Pretender characters===
The G1 [[Pretender|Pretenders]] had interesting scale issues. In the [[Generation 1 (Marvel Comics)|original comic]] the Pretenders appeared fairly literally as their toy counterparts; Transformer-sized robots inside (usually) humanoid shells. The result of this was that the [[Autobot]] Pretenders were depicted as giant-sized humans. This successfully disguised them (for about five seconds, literally) from the Decepticons, and also hid their mechanical nature from aliens. However, it was utterly useless at fooling humans. Further, in ''[[Guess Who the Mecannibals are Having for Dinner?]],'' [[Cloudburst]] exited his shell, transformed into jet mode, and then his shell (as well as [[Landmine]]) boarded him as a passenger. The fact that his shell was now much smaller than the "inner" robot was quietly glossed over; one assumes the sort of size-changing mentioned under ''Transport characters,'' above, was involved.

In the U.S. toy commercials, Grimlock, Bumblebee, and Jazz in their new Pretender forms were depicted as small enough to fit in Powermaster Optimus Prime's hand, so, in the [[micro-continuity]] of the commercials, at least, they were human-sized.

(The Japanese-only series ''[[Masterforce (cartoon)|Super-God Masterforce]]'' featured Pretenders who did not have outer shells but rather an ill-defined holistic transformation which explicitly involved size changing. A vaguely similar explanation appeared in [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave's]] ''[[More Than Meets The Eye]]'' encyclopedia.)

===Small Transformers===
The assorted toys produced over the decades to hit the lowest price point usually include "mini" or "micro" in their name, and they usually are depicted as smaller than other Transformers in the fiction as well.

====Micromasters====
The [[Micromaster]]s are roughly human-sized in robot mode, and thus virtually all of them turn into (generic or specific) Earth vehicles that are patently incapable of seating human passengers inside them. (The Marvel comic featured ''some'' of them implicitly size-changing to vehicles that were to human scale (as we saw humans riding inside), but this was rare.)

The [[Dreamwave]] miniseries ''[[Micromasters]]'' hinted at an explanation, suggesting that the Micromasters were Transformers scaled down to fit a smaller race of humans. This is met with skepticism from fan, in part because it still doesn't explain the scale problems ''within'' the line. All Micromasters are about the same height in robot-mode, but they transform into small cars, large trucks, planes, tanks, and other vehicles that should be of vastly different size. The alleged "smaller race of humans" must thus vary in size quite a bit, and only the really teeny ones get to fly the planes . . .

To be fair, there is little indication in most fiction that the Micromasters were (unlike the rest of G1) ''supposed'' to have ''any'' consistent scale. They were explictly downsized Transformers, and the scale problems inherent to that were tacitly acknowledged in the fiction. Their passenger compartments thus can be regarded as vestigial.

====Mini-Cons====
The [[Mini-Con]]s of the [[Unicron Trilogy]] are another race of small robots who stand approximately the same height as a human and, like the Micromasters before them, are clearly modeled to carry passengers. Really teeny passengers. (Notable exceptions are [[Grindor (Armada)|Grindor]], [[Sureshock]] and [[High Wire]], who become small one-man vehicles . . . well, ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'' Grindor doesn't.) In this continuity, there's no sign of mini-passengers. The prevailing theory is that the Mini-Cons scan normal vehicles and then resize them to fit their smaller bodies, retaining the now-useless passenger compartments. In the [[Cybertron (cartoon)|''Cybertron'' cartoon]], the [[Recon Mini-Con Team]] retain their slightly-larger-than-human robot modes, but their alternate modes are large enough to contain a single human passenger, thus implying either a modest amount of size-changing, or that their cockpits are just kinda cramped.

===Big Transformers===
On the other end of the scale, the problems posed by really big Transformers lie in how they interact with normal-sized ones.

====Citybots====
[[Image:EarlyGalvatronTVMagazine1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Okay, if you were ever ''this'' big in the cartoon, THEN we might be able to call you a city.]]

The characters [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], [[Trypticon]], [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] and [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] each have altmodes which are described as a "city" (with Fort Max being supposedly the biggest of the four). However, the scale at which they could plausibly house enough humans, ''let alone'' Transformers, to be in any way reasonably defined as a "city" would suggest a robot-mode scale that would make [[Hojoni|Godzilla]] look like a gecko. Suffice to say, they're rarely drawn that big. It doesn't help that many of these citybots have apparently "small" robots forming vital components. Fortress Maximus and Scorponok both have allaegedly human-sized beings forming their heads. (Fort Max has a [[Cerebros (G1)| middleman]] in there, but still.) [[Full-Tilt]], [[Six Gun]], and [[Slammer]] must logically be building-sized in their robot modes to remain in-scale with Trypticon and Metroplex, but, again, are not drawn as such. No fiction to date, not even the very large depiction in the Japanese ''[[Headmasters (cartoon)|Headmasters]]'' cartoon, even ''begins'' to approximate the size that a true "citybot" would logically become. In reality, the grossly-undersized depictions of [[Unicron]] (see below) would probably be closer to the scale of an actual transformed city. Which is ironic, as in Season 3 of the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]] Unicron requires citybot eyes to replace his own shattered ones. (Though, "realistically", his eyes should be the size of Texas, if not larger.) Rare examples which suggest a realistic citybot scale include occasional Japanese promotional art (e.g., at right).

The cartoon episode ''[[Thief in the Night]]'' makes some headway in explaining this via an establishing shot that shows Metroplex to be only a small smaller sub-section of the "actual" Autobot City, although this was not repeated. It seems that in Transformer terms, "city" is better read as "large building".

Although little fiction to date has significantly featured the Headmaster leaders fulfilling their "city" roles, they have in the Japanese-exclusive cartoons been employed in their tertiary modes as massive starships capable of transporting and housing many normal-sized Transformers. Conversely, the Marvel [[Generation 1 (comic)|G1 comic]] depicted Fort Max and Scorpy as merely "large-standard" size characters, of an equal height to Powermaster Optimus Prime and, in some UK issues, even the same as Rodimus Prime (to be fair, Powermaster Prime was often drawn "undersized" in the comics). Parts of ''[[Time Wars]]'' were notable in this department for featuring characters as diverse as [[Goldbug]], Fortress Maximus, and [[Blaster]] as all being the ''exact'' same height. Goldbug must transform into one big ol' car.

although with some of the city-bots i could be said that there city modes are in scale to the wst figures

====Planets and planetbots====
[[Image:Cybertronplanet.jpg|left|250px|thumb|If we're generous and assume Cybertron is only the size of Earth's moon, then the larger visible buildings are roughly the size of Massachusetts stood on end, and you could wedge ''France'' into that gash. (Which would probably improve both Cybertron and France.)]]

Scale when it comes to planets is so fraught it's almost painful. The logical problems of describing citybots as "cities" is a thousand times worse if [[Unicron]] is supposed to have a planet-sized altmode, and that Cybertron is in turn supposed to be in scale with him. Although different fictions have compared both [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]/[[Primus]] and Unicron to drastically different Sol-system planets, the fact remains that they are supposed to be ''planets'', and yet across most fictions they are shown in such insane scale to characters as to suggest they are the size of a very, very small moon (or a [[Darth Vader|space station]]).

To start with, [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] itself was depicted throughout G1 as having buildings visible from space. Although this was clearly intended to make it obvious that the planet was technological in nature, it makes no sense whatsoever, as such structures would have to be the size of small nations to be visible. If the buildings were in fact supposed to be skyscrapers (or even ''2000 A.D.'' style arcologies) sized for 30' (10m) robots , Cybertron would still be less than 100 miles (150km) across. By comparison, the rather [http://www.starwars.com/databank/location/coruscant/index.html Coruscant]-like shots of Cybertron in ''[[Beast Machines (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'' may be less distinctive or "Cybertronian", but are ''far'' more believable.

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[[Image:UnicronEatsGalvyMmmm.jpg|right|thumb|400px|Either [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvy]] is humungo, or [[Lithone]] is ''tiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnyyyyy!!!'']]

Unicron is a more extreme problem. If one assumes that no [[size changing]] occurs during his transformation, in robot mode he would be so massive that any shot featuring a recognizable ''part'' of his body, let alone the whole thing, would be of such a scale that no normal Transformer in the same frame would even be visible. His depiction in the ''[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|The Transformers: The Movie]]'' in which he directly interacts with normal-sized Cybertronian characters is blatantly absurd (regardless of how totally phat it looks). Shots such as the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] fleeing his grasping hand, a starship penetrating his eye or ''especially'' picking up Galvatron between his thumb and forefinger before swallowing him (or, in the comic, impaling [[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]] on his fingernail before crunching him between his teeth) bend any concept of "planetary" scale beyond breaking point. If Unicron is the size of a planet, his hands would be the size of continents. This would make Galvatron (in the image to the right) the size of Great Britain.

There is no explanation for any of this. Just go with it.

The depiction of Unicron's scale in ''[[Armada]]'' was (very debatably) a slight improvement, in as much as the concept of physical interaction with tiny beings was not even attempted. He preferred instead to communicate with normal Transformers by possessing [[Sideways|another body]] in their own scale. Nevertheless, shots featuring [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] and [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] standing on his neck are still ''farcically'' out of scale.

===An exception: The 2007 ''Transformers'' movie===
[[Image:Moviescale1.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Scale is absolutely not an issue in the movie. OBVIOUSLY.]]

The creators of the [[Transformers (2007)|live-action movie]] took great pains to avoid out-of-scale issues among characters with Earth-based alternate modes. (Well, greater than most previous franchises.) This is sometimes reflected in the choice of vehicle or the design of their robot modes. E.g., [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] is a extended hood truck cab in order to offer more mass to make a taller robot mode out of, and [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]'s robot mode is nearly as wide as it is tall, with shorter, digitigrade legs, so the massive jet-former won't end up twice as tall as Optimus. In the case of [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]], his huge alternate mode simply results in a hulking, towering robot mode.

There are still scale issues to be found, though. For example, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] can hold both [[Sam Witwicky|Sam]] and [[Mikaela Banes|Mikaela]] in one hand. Comparing this shot with when he picks up [[Archibald Witwicky|Archibald Witwicky's]] glasses a few minutes later, it seems the glasses have lenses a foot in diameter. This is a visual cheat so the glasses are visible to the audience. We also see [[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy's]] head, which is about the size of a human head, turning into a much smaller mobile phone.

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===Scale problems and size-changing===
Some fans interpret the many otherwise-unexplained scale issues above to all be the result of [[size changing]], but this is debatable. If virtually all characters use mass-shifting (or whatever) to gain or drop a few feet of height for no apparent reason, the technology would seem pointlessly mundane. There's also no sensible reason for, e.g., the Seekers to choose to be ''shorter'' when going into battle. A to-scale Starscream in robot mode could kick Bumblebee around like a soccer ball. Furthermore there is simply no positive evidence that size-changing is so widespread.

==Show scale vs. toy scale==
Some characters have great discrepancies between their cartoon scale and their toy scale. "Giant" characters such as [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] are, even aside from any [[size changing]] for transport purposes, clearly not in the same scale in toy form as they are depicted on screen. [[Mini-Cassettes|Cassette characters]] such as [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]'s toys are roughly the same height as most [[Minibot]]s, while in the show they are usually portrayed as human-sized (which is odd, considering that Soundwave is capable of expanding to massive size).

[[Hot Rod|Rodimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] are usually shown to be of a fairly similar height (although Magnus is much bulkier), whereas there is a considerable difference between the size of their toys. By the same token, Rodimus is always depicted as being an equal stature to his opposing leader [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], whereas the toy Galvatron is instead the same size as Magnus. Optimus Prime is also usually shown as only a head or so shorter than Magnus (if that), which gets very strange when you realise that a recolour of Prime's toy forms but a small part of Magnus' robot mode.

[[Image:ShrinkingHeavy.jpg|left|thumb|250px|I lost thirty tons, thanks to the Jump-Cut! Thank you, Jump-Cut!]]

[[Metroplex (Cybertron)|''Cybertron'' Metroplex]] and the other citizens of [[Gigantion]] are depicted as gargantuan in animation, whereas the toys are merely among the normal boxed size-classes. (Although, the Japanese [[Galaxy Force]] release, dubbed "Megalo Convoy", included an exclusive [[redeco]] of the [[Legends of Cybertron]] [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] to indicate the "correct" scale.) Within the animation, though, this causes problems with their Mini-Con partners, who are depicted as human-sized in robot mode by themselves, but when directly interacting with their larger partners, have their relative size in relation to the toy . . . meaning some temporarily gigantic Mini-Cons!

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== ''Beast Era'' scale ==
[[Image:RattrapLOVEScheetor.jpg|thumb|250px|right|I'm tellin' ya, ''all'' da rats in Brooklyn are dis big!]]
In the ''[[Beast Era]]'' scale is not such a large issue, although it certainly does crop up in less obvious (depending on your point of view) ways.

=== Real world scale ===
Although the Beast Warriors all seem to exist quite happily in their own relative scale, their scale in relation to the real-world animals they have adopted as [[altmode]]s is more problematic. While the "giant insect" characters such as [[Waspinator]] and [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] are obviously not in real world scale, when considered carefully virtually none of the characters actually are. The only characters who have been clearly depicted interacting with real members of their adopted species are [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] and [[Tigatron]], who (to take the former example) is seen attempting to interact with other cheetahs in ''[[Beast Wars, Part 1]]'', who react in fright. Cheetor was shown here to be in the same scale as real cheetahs, which effectively makes him the measuring stick for all other characters. Obviously [[Rattrap]] is therefore a monstrously huge rat, about the size of a large dog, [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] is a rather small rhinoceros, and [[Optimus Primal]] is probably a roughly normal-sized gorilla. However, [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] is therefore a positively dwarfish specimen of a ''Tyrannosaurus rex,'' possibly closer to a [[Wikipedia: Nanotyrannus|Nanotyrannus]].

The ''[[Beast Wars]]'' writers once noted that first-season Rattrap was five feet (1.5 metres) tall, and that the other characters can be scaled around that. This would make Rattrap one of the few Transformers who are ''shorter'' than the average adult human in robot mode.

In their few interactions with (adult) protohumans, the Cybertronian characters seem between twice and three times the average height of protohumans. Considering human ancestors really were smaller than modern humans, this scale issue is not as extreme as it may appear, but the point deserves addressing. Oddly enough, the smaller Beast Warriors still seem to interact with Autobot-scale computers and spacecraft quite happily, as seen in "Nemesis Part Two, where the remaining Maximals take control of an Autobot Shuttle and fly it home.

=== Scale relative to G1 ===
[[Image:Beastwarriors scale.jpg|thumb|left|Beast Megatron's size vs. Optimus Prime in America... and Japan. I guess the Blastizone adds on a few tons to [[Beast Era]] characters]]

[[Size changing]] appears to be a thing of the past by the Beast Era, as the majority of the Cybertronian race seems to have considerably downgraded in size, apparently due to the [[Maximal Upgrade]] Program (although this is of course a backwards rationalization, since the show's basic premise requires the characters to transform into [vaguely] normal-sized animals, compared to the G1 characters transforming into large vehicles etc.). When entering the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], the Beast Warriors are very small compared to the dormant G1 characters, especially [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. They are roughly the size humans should be (but usually weren't) depicted in relation to these characters.

On the other hand ''[[Robot Masters]]'' depicted G1 and BW characters like [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Optimus Primal]] as being exactly the same size. Yup. It's possible that passage through the [[Blasty Zone]] may somehow [[Wikipedia:Boom tube#Later Additions to the Concept|account for this discrepancy]],
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=== Toy scale vs. cartoon scale ===
[[Image:Beastwarsmaxgroup.jpg|right|thumb|350px|Pick the Ultra-class figure.]]

The first season's cast of ''[[Beast Wars |Beast Wars]]'' characters were not designed in the same relative scale to each other as depicted in the toyline, although from Season 2 onwards the scales (and general appearance) of the cartoon became much more consistent with the newer toys (however previously featured characters, such as Waspinator, remained the same throughout).

For example, of the Season 1 Maximal crew, [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]], Cheetor, [[Tigatron (BW)|Tigatron]] and Rhinox are all from the same deluxe [[size class]], while [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] and Rattrap are considerably smaller basics. Optimus Primal, an ultra, stands at virtually twice the size of the deluxes. In the show, Dinobot is the tallest, followed by Rhinox and a slightly shorter Optimus Primal, shorter again is Tigatron, while shorter still is Cheetor (despite being an identical mold) and Airazor, while Rattrap is marginally the shortest, but by no means to such a degree as his toy would suggest.

The ''[[Beast Machines (toyline)|Beast Machines]]''' toyline was far worse in terms of scale discrepancies with its cartoon, with the tallest character [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]] becoming the shortest ([[micro-continuity|show-featured]]) Maximal toy, and similarly the diminutive [[Nightscream (BM)|Nightscream]] was enlarged to a massive ultra-class. And, sadly, the most show-accurate toy in the line (well, ''sorta'' in the line...) "Air Attack [[Optimus Primal]]" was rendered as an enormous supreme figure, completely incompatible with the other toys.

==External links==
*[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/6db411e03e75a342?dmode=source Estimated "real-life" heights for several Transformers, derived from the size of their alt-modes, archived from alt.toys.transformers on groups.google.com]

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Omega Supreme (Energon)

2007-10-24T14:47:08Z

80.7.22.241: /* Attacktix */

{{disambig3|Omega Supreme}}

:''Omega Supreme is an [[Autobot]] in the [[Energon]] portion of the [[Unicron Trilogy]].''

'''Omega Supreme''' is one of the [[Guardians of Cybertron]] who serves under the command of [[Omega Sentinel]] and is a powerful Autobot protector. He believes that unyielding resolve has no conqueror and will not hesitate to engage even the strongest foe. He is composed of '''Omega Train''', '''Omega Battleship''', and a [[#Related characters|small robot]] named '''Omega''' that transforms into a larger head for their combined robot mode. His two vehicular components also have the ability to transform into the mighty '''Omega Crusher''' and '''Omega Force Gun''' weapon platforms respectively.

==Fiction==
===Animated continuity===
====''Energon''====
'''Voice actor:''' [[Scott McNeil]] (US), [[Kenta Miyake]] (Japan)

Omega Supreme is an ancient Cybertronian who single-handedly battled and defeated Unicron way back in the distant past of Cybertron. Subsequent to this, he spent millions of years in stasis below the surface of the planet. He was awakened when [[Primus]] guided [[Doctor Jones]] to his location, and embued him with the [[Spark of Combination]]. This allowed Omega Supreme to join the Autobots' struggle against the [[Decepticon]]s and [[Unicron]], in which he would combine with [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] to form the powerful [[Optimus Supreme]].

==Related characters==
===Omega===
Omega Supreme's larger head turns into a smaller robot. It is unknown if the smaller robot ''is'' Omega Supreme and the large form merely boosts his size and power, or if "Omega Supreme" specifically refers to the union of all three, though the combined Omega Train and Omega Battleship have the ability to form the robot '''Omega Grand''' without him. How many "Omega"'s can be in one set?

==Toys==
===Energon===
*'''Omega Supreme''' (Supreme, 2004)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''SC-22'''
[[Image:EnergonOmegaSupreme_toy.jpeg|left|thumb|Homage: Appreciated]]

: ''Energon'' Omega Supreme is nominally composed of two major components, the '''Omega Train''' - a train engine with a large construction arm on its caboose - and the '''Omega Battleship''' - a multi-gunned space battleship. Both components can link together in vehicle mode to form the Battle Train, and can be reconfigured into ground based weapon emplacements. Additionally, the two parts Powerlinx combine together, along with the '''Omega''' Headmaster component form the robot Omega Supreme, also known as Omega Grand.

[[Image:Energon_OptimusSupreme.jpg|thumb|right|150px|]]

: In this mode, Omega Supreme vaguely looks like his Generation 1 namesake. He features an extending claw gimmick on his left arm, along with electronic lights and sounds in his right arm, with both gimmicks accessible in all modes and combinations.

: He can combine with ''Energon'' Optimus Prime to form '''(Omega) Optimus Supreme''', with Optimus sitting inside Omega Supreme's chest cavity. The Omega head component, capable of transforming into its own robot mode, can be stored in Omega Supreme's right shoulder while in the Optimus Supreme configuration. This configuration also allows the attachment of Optimus Prime's "Prime Force" drone limb teams as auxilary weapons.

: The main difference between the US and Japanese releases is the latter version used silver paint on his thighs and biceps, to give more uniformity to the colourscheme.

: This mold was redecoed into [[Omega Sentinel]].

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===Attacktix===
*'''Omega Supreme''' (Battle Masters multipack, 2006)
[[Image:Attacktix_EnOmegaSupreme.jpg|left|thumb|150px|"I am sick and tired of all these jokes about my giant hand. The first such incident occurred in 1956, when..."]]
:''Attacktix ID number'': '''TF24'''
:Faction: N/A
:Class: Battle Master
:Special: Recruit - 6/26 (23%) success ratio
:Point Cost: 80
:Base Speed: 10
:Attack Type: Tosser (the good kind)
:Omega Supreme comes in a pack the first series [[Crumplezone (Cybertron)|Crumplezone]] figure. His right arm features a powerful scooping melee attack based on his main toy's claw gimmick, which hurl pieces impressive distances (try flinging an opposing piece into a crowd of 'em!).

:At 80 points, Omega Supreme is one of the most expensive figures in all ''Attacktix''. His ''Recruit'' special power lets you put any Autobot piece into play from your back-ups. Like all Battle Masters figures Omega Supreme is not tournament legal.

:This piece is best taken out with a striker attack, particularly the likes of [[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]], or [[Ransack (Cybertron)|Ransack]]. However a point-blank shot to his chest (putting the missile right against him) by a even a [[Light Unit|Decepticlone]] should topple Omega Supreme every time. Yes he can be defeated by the Crumplezone figure that's packed with him, though it's difficult to do (aim near the right knee).

:At long range Omega Supreme is meant to be knocked down by hitting both the targets on his knees, unlocking the joints so he falls over backwards thanks to the weight of his upper body. Unfortunately he is so well balanced that he simply flops back into a prone position that is even more difficult to shoot down from a distance.

:Omega lacks any kind of ''allegiance'' marker, preventing you from calling him into play from your graveyard or back-ups. You have to start with this guy, and once he's down, he's down for the game.

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==Trivia==
* According to [[Aaron Archer]] at the [[BotCon 2005]] [[Hasbro]] panel, ''Energon'' Omega Supreme was originally going to be part rocket like the Generation 1 toy, but it was decided that a battleship was "cooler".

* Also according to Archer, the main toy's body has that little pop-up head because he never liked how if you lost the [[Headmaster]] figure for the old [[Generation 1]] toys, then your robot had no head at all. At Least this way, the big robot has ''something''.

==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/2004/Autobot/OmegaSupreme/omegasupreme.htm Omega Supreme at TFU.info]

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