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Talk:New Avengers/Transformers

2008-02-26T21:44:13Z

81.241.201.131:

Can we truly consider that series in continuity? I mean, Ironman would most certainly not ignored the Autobot, once the registration law was voted. And even if we assume the events in devastion had taken a different direction in the pant of time where the registration law wouldn't have passed, those events in question couldn't have been ignored by the other superheroes.

This raise question anyway.--[[User:81.241.201.131|81.241.201.131]] 21:09, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

: I don't think this wiki needs to concern itself on whether this crossover really works with Marvel 616. This isn't the Marvel 616 wiki. The only thing we should be concerned with is how it fits into IDW Transformers. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:13, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:: -As I think I've pointed out somewhere else, it can't even be Marvel 616, because Doctor Doom was dead-in-hell at the time the story occurs, and Carol Danvers wasn't using the codename or costume seen in the series.- [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:34, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

:: -Well, I am raising a point about that too: Why do the super heroes from Marvel do nothing during devastation?--[[User:81.241.201.131|81.241.201.131]] 21:41, 26 February 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:New Avengers/Transformers

2008-02-26T21:41:04Z

81.241.201.131:

Can we truly consider that series in continuity? I mean, Ironman would most certainly not ignored the Autobot, once the registration law was voted. And even if we assume the events in devastion had taken a different direction in the pant of time where the registration law wouldn't have passed, those events in question couldn't have been ignored by the other superheroes.

This raise question anyway.--[[User:81.241.201.131|81.241.201.131]] 21:09, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

: I don't think this wiki needs to concern itself on whether this crossover really works with Marvel 616. This isn't the Marvel 616 wiki. The only thing we should be concerned with is how it fits into IDW Transformers. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:13, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:: As I think I've pointed out somewhere else, it can't even be Marvel 616, because Doctor Doom was dead-in-hell at the time the story occurs, and Carol Danvers wasn't using the codename or costume seen in the series.- [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:34, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:: Well, I am raising a point about that too: Why do the super heroes from Marvel do nothing during devastation?--[[User:81.241.201.131|81.241.201.131]] 21:41, 26 February 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:New Avengers/Transformers

2008-02-26T21:40:35Z

81.241.201.131:

Can we truly consider that series in continuity? I mean, Ironman would most certainly not ignored the Autobot, once the registration law was voted. And even if we assume the events in devastion had taken a different direction in the pant of time where the registration law wouldn't have passed, those events in question couldn't have been ignored by the other superheroes.

This raise question anyway.--[[User:81.241.201.131|81.241.201.131]] 21:09, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

: I don't think this wiki needs to concern itself on whether this crossover really works with Marvel 616. This isn't the Marvel 616 wiki. The only thing we should be concerned with is how it fits into IDW Transformers. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:13, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:: As I think I've pointed out somewhere else, it can't even be Marvel 616, because Doctor Doom was dead-in-hell at the time the story occurs, and Carol Danvers wasn't using the codename or costume seen in the series.- [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:34, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:: Well, I am raising a point about that too: Why do the super heroes from Marvel do nothing during devastation?<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:New Avengers/Transformers

2008-02-26T21:40:21Z

81.241.201.131:

Can we truly consider that series in continuity? I mean, Ironman would most certainly not ignored the Autobot, once the registration law was voted. And even if we assume the events in devastion had taken a different direction in the pant of time where the registration law wouldn't have passed, those events in question couldn't have been ignored by the other superheroes.

This raise question anyway.--[[User:81.241.201.131|81.241.201.131]] 21:09, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

: I don't think this wiki needs to concern itself on whether this crossover really works with Marvel 616. This isn't the Marvel 616 wiki. The only thing we should be concerned with is how it fits into IDW Transformers. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:13, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:: As I think I've pointed out somewhere else, it can't even be Marvel 616, because Doctor Doom was dead-in-hell at the time the story occurs, and Carol Danvers wasn't using the codename or costume seen in the series.- [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:34, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:: Well, I am raising apoint about that too: Why do the super heroes from Marvel do nothing during devastation?<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Megatron Origin issue 4

2008-02-26T21:31:19Z

81.241.201.131: /* Items of note */

[[Image:MO_4_b.jpg|thumb|200px|right|I... Need... A... Breathmint!!!]]
{{comicnav|Megatron Origin|4|seriesname=''The Transformers: Megatron Origin'' |prev=Megatron Origin issue 3|}}
'''[[Kaon]] is taken. Sentinel Prime and Megatron battle. The [[Great War]] begins.'''

==Synopsis==
Autobot security escorts Starscream away from the other detained Decepticons held in the Kaon holding cells. They take Starscream to stand before the Council of the district, to whom Starscream delivers a message: Everything that has happened is the council's fault. As punishment for their sins, Starscream and Soundwave destroy the council, etching their [[insignia|symbol]] into the meeting room's view screen.

The next stage in Megatron's master plan carried out by Starscream is to free all the inmates. Starscream releases them all, the criminals holding no prior association with Megatron being liberated into his new army. Soundwave provides armaments, and Starscream introduces Megatron to a new arm-mounted [[fusion cannon]]. Blasting a hole in the wall with his new weapon, Megatron orders the group to attack with an offensive that is as simple as it destructive: Everything burns.

In an area inhabited by Cybertron's high class, snooty recreation comes to an end when Skywarp and Thundercracker fire upon an airborne vessel, causing it to crash below, destroying an incredible amount on the way down.

Soundwave meets with his boss, Senator Ratbat. The senator admits that not only did he aid Megatron's cause by supplying arms, he also was the one who arranged for Megatron to be removed from the mining operation where he was originally working. Now that Megatron's forces have destabilized the area, the senator embezzles what he can. Soundwave, however, shoots Ratbat, takes that which Ratbat has embezzled, and seals his [[spark]] inside of a frame{{m-}}his new "cassette" body. Evidently, Soundwave prefers Megatron as his new boss.

Sentinel Prime and the other [[Autobot]]s fight to retake Kaon from the rioting rebellion. However, the rebels are causing massive damage, have jammed communications with [[Iacon]], and just won't give an inch of ground. Running out of options, Sentinel Prime decides to bring his incredible assortment of firepower (using his Apex System) head to head against Megatron. An incredible explosion blasts Megatron out of sight.

Sentinel Prime radios to the other Autobots that he's created a route that can be used to fight against the enemy. But Hound's tossed body reveals that Megatron still functions. Their struggle takes them over an edge as they battle while discussing Megatron's goal: Megatron wants to transform the world. With a final strike, Megatron (possibly) kills the [[Prime (rank)|Prime]].

The other Autobots arrive, following Sentinel Prime. They find their leader's body. Prowl, becoming the interim leader by default, orders a retreat.

Megatron sits on his throne and discusses the victory with Soundwave. Now that Kaon has been taken, the next step is clear{{m-}}the rest of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] shall be conquered. But they will not do is as Cybertronians. From this day forward, they are the [[Decepticon]]s.

==Credits==
'''Writer:''' [[Eric Holmes]]<br>
'''Art:''' [[Alex Milne]]<br>
'''Colors:''' [[Josh Perez]], [[Mark Bristow]]<br>
'''Edits:''' [[Chris Ryall]]<br>

* ''Original release date:'' October 24, 2007
===Major characters===
(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"
! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s
! style="background:#FFEEB8" | Others
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |
* [[Sentinel Prime]] (19)
* [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (20)
* [[Blades]] (21)
* [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] (22)
* [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (23)
* [[Trailbreaker]] (24)
* [[Springer]] (29)
* [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] (30)

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |
* [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (1)
* [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (2)
* [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (3)
* [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] (4)
* [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]] (5)
* [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] (6)
* [[Squawkbox]] (7)
* [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (8)
* [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (9)
* [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (10)
* [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] (11)
* [[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]] (12)
* [[Runamuck (G1)|Runamuck]] (13)
* [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]] (14)
* [[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]] (15)
* [[Mixmaster (G1)|Mixmaster]] (16)
* [[Drag Strip]] (26)
* [[Dead End (G1)|Dead End]] (27)
* [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]] (28)

| style="background:#FFEEB8" valign="top" |
* [[Grapple]] (17)
* [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] (18)
* [[Ratbat (G1)|Senator Ratbat]] (25)
|}

==Quotes==
"Heh. Nobody's perfect."
:'''{{m-}}Starscream''', after hearing a long list of charges against him.

"Through your own interests you created this. You brought us here. You didn't just make it possible{{m-}}you made it happen."
:'''{{m-}}Starscream''', before the court.

"Hmm. Yes. There's something about this."
:'''{{m-}}Megatron''', upon receiving his arm cannon.

"Situation{{m-}}war. Resources{{m-}}limited. Optimal solution{{m-}}repurpose valuable resource."
:'''{{m-}}Soundwave''', while downgrading Senator Ratbat.

"And when you've crossed the planet with your little gang of thugs, what will you do then?"<br>
"I will create desolation{{m-}}and call it peace!"<br>
:'''{{m-}}Sentinel Prime''' and '''Megatron'''

==Items of note==
* Civilians cry out "[[Primus]]!" when they are attacked by Thundercracker and Skywarp. His name is only used as a curse here, but it is the first time their creator's name is mentioned in this continuity in which writer [[Simon Furman]] has claimed Primus and [[Unicron]] will never take part.
* According to Alex Milne, Sentinel Prime isn't actually dead, despite all appearances. [http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=37405#37405] He says the issue was written to show him looking like he could go either way, but the art makes it look quite definitive, and the dialog misses addressing his status.
* A bot resembling [[Straxus]] is one of the Senate's guards.
* Sentinel Prime uses Apex armor, a reference to the [[Hasbro]] reissue of [[Powermaster]] [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]].
* Megatron's intention to "create a desolation{{m-}}and call it peace!" derives ultimately from the Roman historian [http://en.wikipedia.org/Tacitus Tacitus's] biography of his father-in-law [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricola_%28book%29 Agricola]: the words are those of the British general Calgacus, describing the destructive imperialism of the Romans. It may also be a node to his original motto: "Peace through tyranny".

==Errors==
* On page 10, Trailbreaker is depicted grabbing Starscream as the Decepticon makes his escape. Starscream then kicks the Autobot off, sending him into what is heavily implied to be his death (what with the long fall into a massive explosion and all), despite Trailbreaker turning up alive and well many years later in the previously published [[Spotlight: Kup|''Spotlight'': Kup]]. This is not be the [[Fastback|first time]] that the ''Megatron Origin'' books would [[Outback|conflict]] with the events in ''Spotlight:'' Kup.

===Covers (3)===
[[Image:MO_4_a.jpg|thumb|200px|right|Um... Spoiler alert!]]
* '''Cover A:''' Megatron over dead Sentinel Prime by [[Alex Milne]] (pencils) and [[Josh Perez]] (colors)
* '''Cover B:''' Megatron screaming by [[Marcelo Matere]] (pencils) and [[Andrew Elder]] (colors)
* '''Cover RI-A:''' uncolored cover A

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Talk:New Avengers/Transformers

2008-02-26T21:10:41Z

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Talk:New Avengers/Transformers

2008-02-26T21:10:05Z

81.241.201.131:

Talk:New Avengers/Transformers

2008-02-26T21:09:41Z

81.241.201.131:

Can we truly consider that series in continuity? I mean, Ironman would mostcertainly ignored the Autobot, once the registration law was voted. And even if we assume the events in devastion had taken a different direction in the pant of time where the registration law wouldn't have passed, those events in question couldn't have been ignored by the other superheroes?

This raise question anyway.--[[User:81.241.201.131|81.241.201.131]] 21:09, 26 February 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:New Avengers/Transformers

2008-02-26T21:09:23Z

81.241.201.131: New page: Can we truly consider that series in continuity? I mean, IRnman would mostcertainly ignored the Autobot, once the registration law was voted. And even if we assume the events in devastion ...

Can we truly consider that series in continuity? I mean, IRnman would mostcertainly ignored the Autobot, once the registration law was voted. And even if we assume the events in devastion had taken a different direction in the pant of time where the registration law wouldn't have passed, those events in question couldn't have been ignored by the other superheroes?

This raise question anyway.--[[User:81.241.201.131|81.241.201.131]] 21:09, 26 February 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>