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82.17.140.55: /* Should we have info boxes */

THE FUNNY STAYS.
-The Management

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==Archives==
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive1|Archive1]]
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive2|Archive2]]
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive3|Archive3]]

== Featured article ==

We have had the same thing there for like 50 years{{unsigned|Human in Disguise|02:22, 7 April 2008}}
:Not really. Jhiaxus was only made a Featured Article on March 2, 2008.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::With 6k articles, maybe we could switch the featured article every month?[[User:Spriteless|Spriteless]] 05:45, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:::We try to when we can, but usually that involves a big push to improve the given article to featured article standards.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:::: If someone was just going through the Wikia wikis they might assume that this wiki is a bit quiet. What about just chosing some of the bigger articles every now and again? The larger ones tend to the most highly polished, researched and moderated articles. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 19:20, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Some of the big articles need work because alot of the stuff in them was written in 2006 before we established standards. For instance, G1 Ratchet's article was featured last year I believe, but it was really unevenly written in terms of quality. I mean, for some reason half of the article eschewed storylinks in favour of references. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:26, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
:We probably should set up some ground rules on what makes a featured article. Right now, it's pretty much what ever Walky wants. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:34, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Thunderwing, Nice. --[[User:Human in Disguise|Human in disguise]]

Out of curiosity, how often does it change, or is it just on a whim? [[User:Jeep!|Jeep!]] 14:30, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

== front tf page ==

i hate april fool pranks on my fave tf front page -dr
:What? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

== Funny ==
I think we should remove the funny nes on the page, If it stays, It will sound like a child has being messing up this place and Other people will think it doesn't make sense. [[User:Black rhino ranger|Black rhino ranger]] 09:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:You're going to find yourself in the minority regarding this opinion.--[[User:Suzyprime|Suzyprime]] 13:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, Ranger, people are more likely to think this wiki "doesn't make sense" if it's edited by people who can't spell, conjugate, or use capital letters correctly. [[User:JW|JW]] 18:37, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Who made this again. [[User:Black rhino ranger|Black rhino ranger]] 19:55, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:If that's a question, I don't understand it. [[User:JW|JW]] 20:33, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

But we should Make the images Info not funny, Transformers is ment to be serious, not funny. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 15:47, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:Bullshit. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:46, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::Transformers be [[Bee in the City|'''''serious business''''']] yo. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:00, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:Sir, your erudite argument has at last shown me the light. I have been in error all this time, and you have turned the glare of knowledge against the darkness of my ignorance. Verily, we must all change our ways, and treat the stories about outer space robots that turn into cars as Serious Business. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 18:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

But it is unencyclopediac. It looks like a two year old vandalism. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 11:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks for sharing your viewpoint, but, you are very much in the minority. If you object that strongly, start your own Transformers wiki and make it boring. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

:: Or just read the transformers entries on wikipedia. I'm also guessing most people don't like it when you call our writing "like a two year old vandalism". [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 03:10, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Face it! Not Everyone likes funny wikis. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 15:25, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:Since we're one of the largest, highest-traffic wikis on Wikia, I don't think the people who object to "the funny" are a significant enough constituency to force us to change.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:27, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:Not everyone likes peanut butter! Therefore they should stop making peanut butter. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

==Search==
So, uh, what happened to the ability to type something into the text box, click "search," and not have it take me directly to a page, but give me a list of pages the term appears in instead? There is no search button on the front page! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:For as long as I've used the wiki, the Search function has only done that for me if what I've typed didn't match the title of any article exactly. As for the front page, I still see the Search box. I don't know if it makes a difference, but I'm using the Monaco skin.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:12, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::That doesn't match my experiences. I could type in "Megatron," click Search, and then it'd give me a list of pages that mention "Megatron" in the body of the text. It was very useful. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::On the topic of the Monaco skin, can we get some admin feedback on the Monaco skin discussion, please? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::To be sure, yes, that would be useful. As it is, now you'd have to type something like "Megatron's" or "Megatron" and another word to get similar results. And yeah, I've seen notices for the admins from [[User:Toughpigs|Toughpigs]] asking for feedback and wondered when that was going to be resolved.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:Regarding the search box - typing something into the box and hitting "enter," or clicking "go," is the option that takes you directly to the page with the title you've typed. Typing something into the box and actually clicking the button marked "search" is the option that brings up a list of stuff containing the term, and that's the button we appear to have lost here (although on my screen at least, it's coming and going intermittently, but that's probably a browser cache thing). I've not got the Monaco skin on, but regarding that, I rather like it, and I'd like to see it implimented. There's something very "bare bones" about our set up here, and of course, I know that we kinda have that as a show of "not taking everything too seriously," but I'd personally like to see the Monaco skin in use. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::The same function is in the "Advanced Search" link. Am I the only one who sees it or something? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:17, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Cripes, I can't insert a comment before three more jump in before me. No, there's definitely no Search button visible in the Monaco skin as I'm using it, just an arrow with a magnifying glass icon in it (the equivalent of the "Go" button, obviously). I see the "Advanced search" link too, but it doesn't offer quite the same function, in that it doesn't default to the "all text occurrences" option. Rather, you have to choose settings to get that. Not a terrible extra step, but still...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 18:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I see the advanced search link. I also ''REALLY LIKE'' the new 'random page image link' above the search box. Who do I have to thank for that? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I put it in, but it was Siph's idea. Breaking the "Search" button under non-Monaco themes was also my doing, I'm afraid; I was a little zealous with putting in a more useful search and it didn't quite work. It should be back in a day or two. I somehow totally missed any discussion on Monaco coming up; I'll get to commenting on that. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 19:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Primarily Wookieepedia for the idea, Blitz for the implementation, and I suppose me for harraunging her about it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::A random page on search function is really a good idea because that would make us know about more characters. By the way, I think there still need a normal ''search button'' in the original place . :D --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 01:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Then I thank you guys for it. '''IF''' we switch to Monaco, is there any way to do a similar function with that skin? I think the function is very helpful for newcomers to the wiki (and Transformers in general) for they don't have to look through lists of names or randomly search for things. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:17, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I don't think it'd be too hard. If we ''do'' switch to Monaco, there'd need to be some changes done to the search box anyway, since under that, there's no "search" button. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
: Is there a way to make the search image load earlier? Right now it's the very last thing to load; even the flash ads come up earlier. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:: The short answer is no, unfortunately. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Why does the bar show pictures of random characters, but when you go to their pages they have no visual representation? [[User:90.198.228.42|90.198.228.42]] 20:28, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:Because... I don't know really. I don't know why the powers-at-be chose to create these little search pictures for characters that have no pictures. One would think if they had a reasonably sized image to create the search button picture, they could have uploaded the full size image for the page itself. And/or create searchbox pic-links for characters that DO have decent visual representation AND largely completed articles. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
==Familial relationships==

Should we put something up, relating to the idea of siblings or such[[User:GWolfv2]]
:See [[Relatives]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Redesigning the front page ==

Now that the Monaco skin is the default, and Toughpigs is around to help us out, I suggest we figure out a way to redesign the front page so it isn't just a columns of text. Is there any reasonable way for us to have the franchises in the By Series (or anywhere else, really) represented by the franchise logos? The logos can be as recognisable as the names alone, and given we're getting more and more visitors every day, it would be helpful to make the place more visually pleasing and more user-friendly. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:30, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:I think that's still a [[Talk:Main_Page/Archive2#Logos_for_.27By_series.27_column|bad idea]]. The logos were never designed to look good together, and some (like the 2007 movie) are anti-informative. If you can present a design that somehow makes it work, please do. But I don't see how the new skin changes the basic problems. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:56, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::I tend to think the Main Page and its columns of text are just fine as is. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:04, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::Also, wouldn't it perhaps be best to wait a few days for everyone to get home from BotCon before starting a discussion on more major changes like this? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Didn't stop Toughpigs redesigning the whole Wiki... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:18, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Toughpigs has been touting the switch to Monaco for quite some time, and he only finally got the nod from an admin just before BotCon.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:22, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Just wanted to say I love the new look.

===Ad bar issues with Monaco?===
I don't know if it's just me, but trying to load the Wiki in Firefox results in it loading everything up to the adserver stuff, and then Firefox proceeds to hang the fuck up, completely use up all available memory, and force me to kill it through Task Manager. It's kind of a pain in the ass.(I'm using explorer right now) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:I've had no troubles with Firefox 2, nor Firefox 3 beta 5.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:37, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

== Improvement Drive ==
I have no idea how long the "Improvement Drive" column has been there, but it's a great idea, content-wise. However, IMO the links it contains should really be a permanent part of the Help/Start Here column. It's the kind of thing I was talking about [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#.22First_go_here.21__Next_go_here..22 a while ago]. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
:Giving this a bump. Input, anyone? Anyone? If nobody protests, I'd like to merge the contents of the "Improvement drive" section with the "Start here" section. Perhaps a blurb on a more specialized improvement drive -- say, our long-dormant BW improvement drive -- could take the place of the current one. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::Giving this one last bump. If nobody objects, I'm making the changes. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:One of the reasons the Improvement Drive was disbanded on Wookieepedia was because we instead formed projects such as "Tales of the Jedi project" "The New Essential Chronology project". This allowed us to focus on groups of articles which were in need of updating instead of simply one article. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I fully support a "Project" initiative. (Cough cough prose stories cough.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I can definitely live with that - it looks like one of the new users is actually working on RiD stuff, which is an area that I've felt could use more coverage - it's not my area of knowledge, tho. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 01:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yeah. I know a lot about the fiction in GENERAL, but when it comes to what happened in what specific episodes and issues? Not so much. Toys are more my forte... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:49, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::It doesn't help that most of us would need to import the DVDs to write about the fiction. I've been thinking of doing that, but I've already bought a couple of hundred dollars worth of TF DVDs I don't really need soley for writing and screen capping articles for the wiki, which upon reflection is a little insane. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:03, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Please see [[User:Repowers/Sandbox]] for a test page. Feel free to tweak and/or comment. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 04:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
:I weaked the disclaimer, added a countdown to TF2 clock (the page de-caches a couple times a day, so it should remain accurate without having to re-edit, I did a sandbox text to verify) and I got rid of the clickable Animated logo, sicne that template still isn't working right and I haven't figured out how to make it work right.
:Re:Improvement Drive... How about we have a 'goals' list for the month? Like, 20 or 30 articles we want to get up to snuff, chosen for balance. A lot of piddling pages, a few episodes or comics no one's gonna get around to on their own, and one or two major character pages. We can track 'em at the end of the month and see how successful we were. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::Giving this a bump.
::About the list of "ways to help"... thing is, those up-front lists should be geared toward attracting new editors -- new editors who by definition aren't going to know all the million little persnickety formatting things you have to know to set up a new page. Stuff like "fill in a stub" or "add storylinks" is a lot less intimidating, and a lot easier to slide into, than "here, make this page from scratch." I think an expanded list, akin to what's on my sample sandbox, should be near the top of the page, rather than a bunch of red links. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

== Main "Transformers Animated" image ==

It really ought to be clickable. Unfortunately, [[:Template:Click]] currently doesn't actually let you center an image-- it probably needs to be rewritten at some point. Unless someone else volunteers, this is mostly just a reminder to myself. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:53, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:Someone just did that and now the link messes up the main page by covering the links to "Comics", "Generation 1", "(toyline/cartoon/comic)", "Generation 2", and "Help contents". Ugh, it was better off the way it was before. Besides, there was a link to the Animated franchise below the giant logo. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::What poor excuse for a browser are you using? The TFA logo is ''above'' all that stuff. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 23:35, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::The image is, but the link is stretching down over the ones below it. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm using Firefox, and the link ends WAY before that. I have no troubles whatsoever. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 00:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Sabrblade, to repeat- "What browser are you using?" -[[Special:Contributions/75.168.112.43|75.168.112.43]] 01:35, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Internet Explorer 7 is my browser on this particular computer (I use at least three different ones). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 20:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well ''there's'' your problem. IE doesn't follow correct HTML protocol, and each version has a different way of not following it. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:19, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Just realized I'm having the same problem, using Firefox. The link to [[Transformers Animated (franchise)]] from the image is like, bleeding down or something, covering up some of the links below it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:43, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Well, is there any other browser besides Internet Explorer and Firefox that doesn't have the problem? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I just went and had a look at [[:Template:Click]] and tried a few things, but it's beyond me. Can we not just do it in html? It would be a hell of a lot simpler...[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 12:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, with the "no TF:A Dubai spoilers" text written by Chris McFeely, the image no longer covers the G1 and G2 links. It still bleeds down, but only over the link-free text. So until that text gets erased, the image bleeding isn't much of a problem (but it will be again once that text is gone).[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:02, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Still covers them for me, and I'm using the latest Firefox. I'm going to edit this until someone can come up with a better solution - removing the Dubai text will just make it bleed lower down the page, surely... [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 16:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::If any one isn't getting the problem [http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h278/Undecided_tmn/Mainpage_error.jpg here is what it looks like] to me. It's the blue highlighted box. [http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h278/Undecided_tmn/Mainpage_error_IE-1.jpg Here is what it looks like in Internet Explorer]. Screen resolution is 1280x1024. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 22:15, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:I replaced it with an imagemap so it links directly to [[Transformers Animated (franchise)]]. Given that the same image is at the top of that page, I don't think we need the main page to link to the Image page if the only way of doing so messes up the rest of the page. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:50, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::Imagemap is working on wikia now? Yay! IIRC it wasn't 18 months ago when you originally took a stab at <nowiki>{{click}}</nowiki> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Just to check, can imagemap be set to pave part of the image link to the Image page, or is Click the only thing that can do that. (You'd think a template specificly created for use on the Wikia wiki wouldn't have these issues) --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Wikipedia has a template like this that puts a little blue 'i' in the corner of an image- you click on that to get info about it. In this case it's moot-- a single click takes you to the TFA page that lets you access the image info. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:18, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

=="TF dates"?==
Something else Wookiepedia does on its frontpage we... might want to look at stealing... Putting up a "__/__/__: _____ was released" history box. I dunno. It would only be for like comic books, DVDs, TV episodes, street-release-date toys, etc. Though I dunno if TF really has enough... stuff to do that with. I dunno. Idle thought. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:On paper, that's a cool idea. In execution, yeah, I don't think there's quite enough stuff to do it with. We know original episode air dates, and roughly know the street dates of the various comic issues, but we generally have no idea when various and sundry toys hit shelves before, what, '94? If we had enough stuff that there was something to put up at least twice a week (as a "This Week in TF History" thing) I'd say go for it. I guess we could stretch it and add birth dates of TF professionals and that sort of thing, but even then, we're a little sparse, I'd imagine. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 10:42, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

==Front page weirdness==
When clicking on the link for the Generation 1 (comic) or Generation 2 (comic) on the front page, I get taken to Animated (franchise)...but looking at the code the links appear to be correct, else I'd edit them. I've tried refreshing several times but the link is still wrong...anyone else seeing this? [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 12:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] aha, just seen the discussion above about the link "bleeding down"...that would explain it [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 12:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

==Search==
The current search bar only has a "Go" button,we can't look for articles by using keywords now. How are we supposed to look for things we don't know the name of now?[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 20:54, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:Isn't there a "Search" button right next to the "Go" button? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:57, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think there is a search button on the new skin but if you log in and set the wiki back to monobook in your preferences then you'll have a search button [[User:Donutter|Donut]] 21:02, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
: Are we talking Monaco skin, the one with the little arrow with the magnifying glass in it at the very top-left? Or the Monobook skin? I just put "thunder" in the former, clicked the arrow, and boom (ha ha), search results. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::But "Thunder" isn't the name of an article. If it were, it would just give you the article without any other search results, even if you clicked on the magnifying-glass arrow. I can't tell if that's what the anthropomorphic IP address above was asking, but I do know I dislike the reduced functionality of Monaco's search box. As far as I can tell, typing a word and hitting Enter is the same as clicking the arrow. You CAN still search for all occurrences of a word by going to the "Search" link underneath the sidebar. But that's annoying for the need to go to a whole 'nother page. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 04:46, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Nevermind,i figured it out now. Just type "Search:" and then the keywoard before pressing enter. for example,to search for Optimus Prime without annoyingly being redirected,type Search:Optimus Prime .[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 18:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
==Disambig pages==

I've seen three formats. The general, more common one like the Screamer one, the Prime style one and the BB one. Shouldn't we just stick with the one?[[User:GWolfv2]] 21.34 May 23rd
:The Prime page has to be like it is because there are so many things with "Prime" in their name that they need to be split. And why would we have a disambuig page for [[BB]]? If you're talking about Bumblebee, I don't think that page should be like that. Pictures do not help when the differences between one character's different bodies is about the same as the difference between his body and one belonging to another guy with the same name. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:00, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

==Prime Image==
Should an image Animated Prime be added to the front page? maybe replace Movie Prime in the picture if it needs to be a particular size? i think it should be updated to reflect the most modern incarnation of the character [[Special:Contributions/78.32.44.57|78.32.44.57]] 16:34, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
:Problem is, the front page's image is all from Takara's World Of Transformers page. We tried to add AniPrime in there but he didn't fit one bit, so until something better comes along, I do believe this image is going to stay as is. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:47, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

==Universe 2008==
I think you should ad a Universe 2008 link in the "by Series" section.
[[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:46, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:Never mind, I got it. I didn't know I could edit the main page.[[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

== The Irony ==

:In a wiki about transformers their alt modes aren't even mentioned ANYWHERE! I find this odd... {{SUBST::User:Crystal lucario/Sig}} 21:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::There's two articles on popular vehicle and animal modes, transformation article etc. You can't list alt with every character when some don't stick with the one [[User:GWolfv2]] 22.11 June 4th
:::You can find the altmodes for characters, usually, on the Toys section of their articles. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Ok, thanks. {{SUBST::User:Crystal lucario/Sig}} 11:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::psst- subst has to be lowercase. Also- too many colons. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:24, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Just as an example, G1 Optimus is often a semi-cab, but he's also officially transformed into...
* Cybertronic Mobile artillery (Marvel comics, pre-Earth)
* Sportscar (G2)
* Organic bat (super-early BW)
* Cybertronic truck-thing (War Within)
* HISS tank (Devil's Due G.I. Joe)
* Cybertronic pickup (e-hobby Orion Pax toy)
* Some kind of prehistoric animal (Hearts of Steel)
Plus, there was a canceled dump truck Optimus in G2, and plans to make him into a train for Hearts of Steel as well. I don't remember what he turned into for DW's Joe crossover. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:Psst- I come from another wikia so it thought I had a sig. And to M Sipher thank you. I still think that should be somewhere in the artical. Maybe under Forms... {{SUBST::User:Crystal lucario/Sig}} 23:08, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Y'know, it just recently occurred to me that when we scan characters' profile art, we should probably include more than their robot mode. For instance, it seemed like [[:Image:Primal_FPUnivBio.jpg|this pic]] was served by including the gorilla mode because it emphasized the fact that it wasn't his original beast form. Then I uploaded [[:Image:SoundwaveCyb_FPbio.jpg|this image]] and included the jet because it was a particularly well-drawn alt mode. And now that I've done that... I'm going to make a point of including alt-modes whenever I can. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 02:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
:To save on space (tall images are the BANE of the wiki), I placed the smaller images (such as the alt mode) over part of the large images in a picture, such as [[:Image:G1Bomb-Burst_MTMTE1.jpg|what I did for Bomb Burst]]. Of course, I also mostly did it so the uploaded pics would look similar to the original Pretender boxart arrangement (shell behind, robot in the middle, vehicle in the foreground).
:Little Iron's Soundwave looks GREAT, btw. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

== 'Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen' countdown ==
There's 381 days (as of June 9th, 2008) until 'TF2:ROTF' comes out and already there's a countdown box? I know it's too late to remove it, but don't you think it's a ''little'' too soon to put one up? It's like this one 'Garfield' comic strip that was printed on December 26th with Garfield shutting off his alarm clock and declaring "365 days until Christmas!". Well, atleast the box isn't counting down the hours, minutes, and seconds. -[[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 12:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
:I started counting down the days in my head as soon as I learned the release date. I think it's all in good fun, no reason to remove it. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 01:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Since no one said anything... ==

The last discussion of a 'goals' list for the month... somewhere... petered out, so I just threw some on the front page. (Mostly nonexistant wanted articles.) They have a 'star' rating to show how complete they are which you can easily edit. Hopefully we can get these to 5 stars by the end of June! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:Stubbed two of them already, hopefully with enough info that people can pick up easily.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 04:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

:As I said above -
:About the list of "ways to help"... thing is, those up-front lists should be geared toward attracting new editors -- new editors who by definition aren't going to know all the million little persnickety formatting things you have to know to set up a new page. Stuff like "fill in a stub" or "add storylinks" is a lot less intimidating, and a lot easier to slide into, than "here, make this page from scratch." I think an expanded list, akin to what's on my sample sandbox, should be near the top of the page, rather than a bunch of red links. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
::I would be for that. I wanted a lost of articles that needed to be brought to completion that were already clocked in. I just didn't know which to pick! Sub some out!
::I just-- I like the list because it gives a visible sense of progress (at the end of the month) on articles that no one would be inclined to work on on their own. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:59, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

==Should we have info boxes==
{{Transformers character|
name =Blitzwing
|image =blitzwing-animated.jpg
|caption =
|affiliation =Decepticon
|subgroup =Voyagers [[Triple Changer]]
|function =Berserker
|partner =
|motto =''"Whoooo, I'm freaking out!"'' <ref>[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/animated/default.cfm?page=Bio&character=blitzwing Character bios for Transformers Animated characters]</ref>
|alternatemodes = Dual-Barreled Assault Tank/Fighter Jet
|series =[[Transformers: Animated]]
|engvoice = [[Bumper Robinson]]
|japanvoice =
}}

It is to include some detail like this for example

:It was decided against long ago for many logistical nightmare reasons, the primary ones being that so many characters have very different bodies, affiliations, functions, mottos, jump continuities... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:It would be a nightmare. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmmmmm, I see. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 09:26, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Talk:Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen

2008-06-13T15:35:08Z

82.17.140.55: /* More details confirmed(?) */

We know that it wants to be done, we know that people are signed on and that there are already new characters being thought-up, but we don't have official confirmation that there will be a sequel. -- [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 12:09, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

On the other hand, considering the take, they'd be nuts not to do a sequel.

I think this article should stay. It seems obvious that they will make a transformers 2, after how well the first one has done they'd never pass a chance up to make a sequal. This article gives good information on what is known so far about the possible t2 and as it furthers in developement this article will be the perfect spot to place the updates.
---Guest

Scary enough, Moviefone has a listing for "Transformers 2", with a 2010 "release date". --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 01:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Given that an admittedly somewhat tentative release date has already been announced[http://www.allspark.com/news/transformers-2-june-26-2009-20070925.html], I'd say we certainly should have a TF2 article- however, I also have to admit that this current version needs a lot of work.--[[User:TVsGrady|TVsGrady]] 19:44, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I think my sources are accurate, but I unfortunately do not remember where I heard all this stuff I put on. [[User:RIBFIR Forever|The RIBFIR Dude]] 16:54, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
:Then ''don't put your bullshit in'', Kremzeek. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:58, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Who is he? Why do you all think I'm him? No one has ever given me a link to this guy so I dont know who he is! '''Tell me who is Kremzeek?''' [[User:RIBFIR Forever|The RIBFIR Dude]] 17:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I say move this article to the 'Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen' page. The title is more percise plus I incorrectly thought the article 'Transformers 2' was about the 'Transformers: Generation Two' line. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 17:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

== Citations Needed ==

For the alleged facts that were already in the article, it would be best if we could have references for them, to avoid this page becoming rampant speculation and rumormongering. So, I added a bunch of "Citation Needed". [[User:JW|JW]] 20:06, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Man, you are evil. (I'm assuming you erased what I wrote.) Everything I had in there was logical. For example, I learned about the aircraft carrier on Wikipedia, and saw Starscream flying into space on the TRansformers DVD. I am learning the whole wiki business one step at a time, and currently, I have no idea how to make citations.{{unsigned|Crosshairs-1}}
:Please learn how to make edits properly before making edits. Practice on your user page, and study how existing pages were made. The wiki itself is not a training ground. Edits that aren't up to our standards will be reverted.
:Also, please study the history of any given page before making wrong accusations about who edited what.
:Also also, please sign your posts to talk pages. [[User:JW|JW]] 22:23, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

== Writers Strike stuff ==

With the strike over, and no particular evidence it slowed the development of TF2 much, I'm thinking the whole paragraph about the strike could just be cut. Five years from now, it would just say something like, "A year and a half before TF2 was released, there was a multi-month writers strike in Hollywood, which didn't have much effect on the movie." That's pretty uninteresting. Opinions? [[User:JW|JW]] 19:58, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
:I dunno. I do think it's interesting that Bay was so fired up before the strike that he just forged ahead on movie prep without even having a script.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:59, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I think you should rephrase that--He did have a script, but it was more of the ouline they completed after TWO WEEKS of writing, and he turned it into a script..with some 'michael bay humor' added..whatever that means..and they've even said they're not sure if they can undo or fix certain things, so they are seeing what is too far along to fix and what isnt..and what of this 'realease date' of 2010? is it true?--[[User:Chipmonk329|Chipmonk329]]

Transformers 2 script leak..or so it says...I want to see if you think this is true or not:
http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2007/10/transfomers-2-leaked-script.html
---[[User:Chipmonk329|Chipmonk329]]

==ROTF==

This is NOT offically confirmed, so it shouldn't be listed here. Yes the name was registered a few weeks back, as were three or four others. Until Paramount or Hasbro or someone officially releases it, shouldn't be mentioned here. The site that released this is no more offical then the one that said we'd be getting Devastator, and we're not putting that up. [[User:GWolfv2]] 16.46 June 5th
:I assumed Don Murphy was official enough, but okay. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 16:33, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
::[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/default.cfm?page=News/Item&newsid=59522272-D56F-E112-4C783175A8BBBAD6 Confirmation from Hasbro] --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 17:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Don Murphy is as reliable a source as Michael Bay on these things. Hasbro on the other hand...thanks for thatKilMichael [[User:GWolfv2]]

Why is The Link from a key character to megatron? I Thought it would be starscream. After all, he isn't dead, and there is the fact that they even had an escape sequence.

On the other Hand Fallen=Unicron which could me Galvatron.

Wait, wait, wait... When was "Revenge of the Fallen" confirmed? Because I've heard nothing about that name whatsoever (maybe because my PC is being a bitch and won't bring up TFW2005).--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 00:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
:There is a hyperlink to Hasbro somewhere. Hint: It's in this section. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:04, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

== More details confirmed(?) ==

[http://transformerslive.blogspot.com What do you think?] Sound trustworthy, or should we call BS on it for the moment? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] 16:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
:Those come form a supposed leak, and I think we're avoiding those [[User:GWolfv2]] 17.47 June 6th

For the cast, can we confirm more Autobots than just [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Prime]]? People have spotted the vehicles for [[Ratchet (Movie)|Rachet]], [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]], [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], hell even [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]]'s vehicle (even though Bay said "No Jazz in TF2". And now pics from the set and casting call are supporting [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] as one of the characters as well with a holo-driver. Of course these aren't confirmed by producers or directors, but they at the set so could we? Pretty please? These are just things that I've seen over the past week on the interwebs; so what do y'all think?--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 03:16, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
:[http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/06/08/first-look-jetfire-in-transformers-2/ Jetfire] has been confirmed as a [http://bp1.blogger.com/_G96gxvrHqrE/SEtVNTRPGRI/AAAAAAAACAI/7szdo-WkzEc/s1600-h/SmithsonianSetPics3.jpg SR-71 Blackbird]. [[User:Felancer Prime|Felancer Prime]] 14:15, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
::Given how character names changed during production of the first film, it is a bit premature to say that "Jetfire" is confirmed. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 14:25, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Hmm, you bring up a good point. But reguardless, someone has been confirmed, and that someone's altmode is an SR-17 Blackbrid. The name is currently Jetfire, but it's not set in stone. I guess that's how I should've worded it. [[User:Felancer Prime|Felancer Prime]] 05:00, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
::::We will not add information to these pages based on snuck photographs. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:43, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::What exactly is you definition of "snuck photos"?--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 04:12, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::Hint: if you think there's a chance these photos might qualify as 'snuck,' then they '''do'''. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

==Comfirmed list==
This is a list of robots that were mentioned on wikipedia so far

*Optimus prime
*Bumblebee
*Ratchet
*Ironhide
*Arcee
*Starscream
*Barricade
*Soundwave
*Jetfire

Scorponok wasn't seen dead nor mentioned dead but he is uncomfirmed to appear in the 2nd Movie. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 15:35, 13 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Talk:Main Page

2008-06-13T15:28:00Z

82.17.140.55: /* Transformers: Animated */

THE FUNNY STAYS.
-The Management

__TOC__

Please use this talk page for discussion about the [[Main Page]].

To discuss site-wide policies, please visit [[Transformers Wiki Talk:Community Portal|the Community Portal talk page]].

==Archives==
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive1|Archive1]]
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive2|Archive2]]
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive3|Archive3]]

== Featured article ==

We have had the same thing there for like 50 years{{unsigned|Human in Disguise|02:22, 7 April 2008}}
:Not really. Jhiaxus was only made a Featured Article on March 2, 2008.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::With 6k articles, maybe we could switch the featured article every month?[[User:Spriteless|Spriteless]] 05:45, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:::We try to when we can, but usually that involves a big push to improve the given article to featured article standards.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:::: If someone was just going through the Wikia wikis they might assume that this wiki is a bit quiet. What about just chosing some of the bigger articles every now and again? The larger ones tend to the most highly polished, researched and moderated articles. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 19:20, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Some of the big articles need work because alot of the stuff in them was written in 2006 before we established standards. For instance, G1 Ratchet's article was featured last year I believe, but it was really unevenly written in terms of quality. I mean, for some reason half of the article eschewed storylinks in favour of references. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:26, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
:We probably should set up some ground rules on what makes a featured article. Right now, it's pretty much what ever Walky wants. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:34, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Thunderwing, Nice. --[[User:Human in Disguise|Human in disguise]]

Out of curiosity, how often does it change, or is it just on a whim? [[User:Jeep!|Jeep!]] 14:30, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

== front tf page ==

i hate april fool pranks on my fave tf front page -dr
:What? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

== Funny ==
I think we should remove the funny nes on the page, If it stays, It will sound like a child has being messing up this place and Other people will think it doesn't make sense. [[User:Black rhino ranger|Black rhino ranger]] 09:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:You're going to find yourself in the minority regarding this opinion.--[[User:Suzyprime|Suzyprime]] 13:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, Ranger, people are more likely to think this wiki "doesn't make sense" if it's edited by people who can't spell, conjugate, or use capital letters correctly. [[User:JW|JW]] 18:37, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Who made this again. [[User:Black rhino ranger|Black rhino ranger]] 19:55, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:If that's a question, I don't understand it. [[User:JW|JW]] 20:33, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

But we should Make the images Info not funny, Transformers is ment to be serious, not funny. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 15:47, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:Bullshit. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:46, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::Transformers be [[Bee in the City|'''''serious business''''']] yo. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:00, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:Sir, your erudite argument has at last shown me the light. I have been in error all this time, and you have turned the glare of knowledge against the darkness of my ignorance. Verily, we must all change our ways, and treat the stories about outer space robots that turn into cars as Serious Business. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 18:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

But it is unencyclopediac. It looks like a two year old vandalism. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 11:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks for sharing your viewpoint, but, you are very much in the minority. If you object that strongly, start your own Transformers wiki and make it boring. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

:: Or just read the transformers entries on wikipedia. I'm also guessing most people don't like it when you call our writing "like a two year old vandalism". [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 03:10, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Face it! Not Everyone likes funny wikis. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 15:25, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:Since we're one of the largest, highest-traffic wikis on Wikia, I don't think the people who object to "the funny" are a significant enough constituency to force us to change.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:27, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

==Search==
So, uh, what happened to the ability to type something into the text box, click "search," and not have it take me directly to a page, but give me a list of pages the term appears in instead? There is no search button on the front page! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:For as long as I've used the wiki, the Search function has only done that for me if what I've typed didn't match the title of any article exactly. As for the front page, I still see the Search box. I don't know if it makes a difference, but I'm using the Monaco skin.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:12, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::That doesn't match my experiences. I could type in "Megatron," click Search, and then it'd give me a list of pages that mention "Megatron" in the body of the text. It was very useful. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::On the topic of the Monaco skin, can we get some admin feedback on the Monaco skin discussion, please? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::To be sure, yes, that would be useful. As it is, now you'd have to type something like "Megatron's" or "Megatron" and another word to get similar results. And yeah, I've seen notices for the admins from [[User:Toughpigs|Toughpigs]] asking for feedback and wondered when that was going to be resolved.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:Regarding the search box - typing something into the box and hitting "enter," or clicking "go," is the option that takes you directly to the page with the title you've typed. Typing something into the box and actually clicking the button marked "search" is the option that brings up a list of stuff containing the term, and that's the button we appear to have lost here (although on my screen at least, it's coming and going intermittently, but that's probably a browser cache thing). I've not got the Monaco skin on, but regarding that, I rather like it, and I'd like to see it implimented. There's something very "bare bones" about our set up here, and of course, I know that we kinda have that as a show of "not taking everything too seriously," but I'd personally like to see the Monaco skin in use. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::The same function is in the "Advanced Search" link. Am I the only one who sees it or something? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:17, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Cripes, I can't insert a comment before three more jump in before me. No, there's definitely no Search button visible in the Monaco skin as I'm using it, just an arrow with a magnifying glass icon in it (the equivalent of the "Go" button, obviously). I see the "Advanced search" link too, but it doesn't offer quite the same function, in that it doesn't default to the "all text occurrences" option. Rather, you have to choose settings to get that. Not a terrible extra step, but still...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 18:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I see the advanced search link. I also ''REALLY LIKE'' the new 'random page image link' above the search box. Who do I have to thank for that? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I put it in, but it was Siph's idea. Breaking the "Search" button under non-Monaco themes was also my doing, I'm afraid; I was a little zealous with putting in a more useful search and it didn't quite work. It should be back in a day or two. I somehow totally missed any discussion on Monaco coming up; I'll get to commenting on that. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 19:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Primarily Wookieepedia for the idea, Blitz for the implementation, and I suppose me for harraunging her about it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::A random page on search function is really a good idea because that would make us know about more characters. By the way, I think there still need a normal ''search button'' in the original place . :D --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 01:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Then I thank you guys for it. '''IF''' we switch to Monaco, is there any way to do a similar function with that skin? I think the function is very helpful for newcomers to the wiki (and Transformers in general) for they don't have to look through lists of names or randomly search for things. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:17, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I don't think it'd be too hard. If we ''do'' switch to Monaco, there'd need to be some changes done to the search box anyway, since under that, there's no "search" button. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
: Is there a way to make the search image load earlier? Right now it's the very last thing to load; even the flash ads come up earlier. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:: The short answer is no, unfortunately. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Why does the bar show pictures of random characters, but when you go to their pages they have no visual representation? [[User:90.198.228.42|90.198.228.42]] 20:28, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:Because... I don't know really. I don't know why the powers-at-be chose to create these little search pictures for characters that have no pictures. One would think if they had a reasonably sized image to create the search button picture, they could have uploaded the full size image for the page itself. And/or create searchbox pic-links for characters that DO have decent visual representation AND largely completed articles. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
==Familial relationships==

Should we put something up, relating to the idea of siblings or such[[User:GWolfv2]]
:See [[Relatives]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Redesigning the front page ==

Now that the Monaco skin is the default, and Toughpigs is around to help us out, I suggest we figure out a way to redesign the front page so it isn't just a columns of text. Is there any reasonable way for us to have the franchises in the By Series (or anywhere else, really) represented by the franchise logos? The logos can be as recognisable as the names alone, and given we're getting more and more visitors every day, it would be helpful to make the place more visually pleasing and more user-friendly. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:30, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:I think that's still a [[Talk:Main_Page/Archive2#Logos_for_.27By_series.27_column|bad idea]]. The logos were never designed to look good together, and some (like the 2007 movie) are anti-informative. If you can present a design that somehow makes it work, please do. But I don't see how the new skin changes the basic problems. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:56, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::I tend to think the Main Page and its columns of text are just fine as is. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:04, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::Also, wouldn't it perhaps be best to wait a few days for everyone to get home from BotCon before starting a discussion on more major changes like this? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Didn't stop Toughpigs redesigning the whole Wiki... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:18, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Toughpigs has been touting the switch to Monaco for quite some time, and he only finally got the nod from an admin just before BotCon.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:22, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Just wanted to say I love the new look.

===Ad bar issues with Monaco?===
I don't know if it's just me, but trying to load the Wiki in Firefox results in it loading everything up to the adserver stuff, and then Firefox proceeds to hang the fuck up, completely use up all available memory, and force me to kill it through Task Manager. It's kind of a pain in the ass.(I'm using explorer right now) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:I've had no troubles with Firefox 2, nor Firefox 3 beta 5.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:37, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

== Improvement Drive ==
I have no idea how long the "Improvement Drive" column has been there, but it's a great idea, content-wise. However, IMO the links it contains should really be a permanent part of the Help/Start Here column. It's the kind of thing I was talking about [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#.22First_go_here.21__Next_go_here..22 a while ago]. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
:Giving this a bump. Input, anyone? Anyone? If nobody protests, I'd like to merge the contents of the "Improvement drive" section with the "Start here" section. Perhaps a blurb on a more specialized improvement drive -- say, our long-dormant BW improvement drive -- could take the place of the current one. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::Giving this one last bump. If nobody objects, I'm making the changes. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:One of the reasons the Improvement Drive was disbanded on Wookieepedia was because we instead formed projects such as "Tales of the Jedi project" "The New Essential Chronology project". This allowed us to focus on groups of articles which were in need of updating instead of simply one article. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I fully support a "Project" initiative. (Cough cough prose stories cough.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I can definitely live with that - it looks like one of the new users is actually working on RiD stuff, which is an area that I've felt could use more coverage - it's not my area of knowledge, tho. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 01:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yeah. I know a lot about the fiction in GENERAL, but when it comes to what happened in what specific episodes and issues? Not so much. Toys are more my forte... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:49, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::It doesn't help that most of us would need to import the DVDs to write about the fiction. I've been thinking of doing that, but I've already bought a couple of hundred dollars worth of TF DVDs I don't really need soley for writing and screen capping articles for the wiki, which upon reflection is a little insane. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:03, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Please see [[User:Repowers/Sandbox]] for a test page. Feel free to tweak and/or comment. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 04:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
:I weaked the disclaimer, added a countdown to TF2 clock (the page de-caches a couple times a day, so it should remain accurate without having to re-edit, I did a sandbox text to verify) and I got rid of the clickable Animated logo, sicne that template still isn't working right and I haven't figured out how to make it work right.
:Re:Improvement Drive... How about we have a 'goals' list for the month? Like, 20 or 30 articles we want to get up to snuff, chosen for balance. A lot of piddling pages, a few episodes or comics no one's gonna get around to on their own, and one or two major character pages. We can track 'em at the end of the month and see how successful we were. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::Giving this a bump.
::About the list of "ways to help"... thing is, those up-front lists should be geared toward attracting new editors -- new editors who by definition aren't going to know all the million little persnickety formatting things you have to know to set up a new page. Stuff like "fill in a stub" or "add storylinks" is a lot less intimidating, and a lot easier to slide into, than "here, make this page from scratch." I think an expanded list, akin to what's on my sample sandbox, should be near the top of the page, rather than a bunch of red links. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

== Main "Transformers Animated" image ==

It really ought to be clickable. Unfortunately, [[:Template:Click]] currently doesn't actually let you center an image-- it probably needs to be rewritten at some point. Unless someone else volunteers, this is mostly just a reminder to myself. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:53, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:Someone just did that and now the link messes up the main page by covering the links to "Comics", "Generation 1", "(toyline/cartoon/comic)", "Generation 2", and "Help contents". Ugh, it was better off the way it was before. Besides, there was a link to the Animated franchise below the giant logo. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::What poor excuse for a browser are you using? The TFA logo is ''above'' all that stuff. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 23:35, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::The image is, but the link is stretching down over the ones below it. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm using Firefox, and the link ends WAY before that. I have no troubles whatsoever. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 00:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Sabrblade, to repeat- "What browser are you using?" -[[Special:Contributions/75.168.112.43|75.168.112.43]] 01:35, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Internet Explorer 7 is my browser on this particular computer (I use at least three different ones). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 20:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well ''there's'' your problem. IE doesn't follow correct HTML protocol, and each version has a different way of not following it. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:19, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Just realized I'm having the same problem, using Firefox. The link to [[Transformers Animated (franchise)]] from the image is like, bleeding down or something, covering up some of the links below it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:43, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Well, is there any other browser besides Internet Explorer and Firefox that doesn't have the problem? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I just went and had a look at [[:Template:Click]] and tried a few things, but it's beyond me. Can we not just do it in html? It would be a hell of a lot simpler...[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 12:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, with the "no TF:A Dubai spoilers" text written by Chris McFeely, the image no longer covers the G1 and G2 links. It still bleeds down, but only over the link-free text. So until that text gets erased, the image bleeding isn't much of a problem (but it will be again once that text is gone).[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:02, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Still covers them for me, and I'm using the latest Firefox. I'm going to edit this until someone can come up with a better solution - removing the Dubai text will just make it bleed lower down the page, surely... [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 16:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::If any one isn't getting the problem [http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h278/Undecided_tmn/Mainpage_error.jpg here is what it looks like] to me. It's the blue highlighted box. [http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h278/Undecided_tmn/Mainpage_error_IE-1.jpg Here is what it looks like in Internet Explorer]. Screen resolution is 1280x1024. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 22:15, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:I replaced it with an imagemap so it links directly to [[Transformers Animated (franchise)]]. Given that the same image is at the top of that page, I don't think we need the main page to link to the Image page if the only way of doing so messes up the rest of the page. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:50, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::Imagemap is working on wikia now? Yay! IIRC it wasn't 18 months ago when you originally took a stab at <nowiki>{{click}}</nowiki> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Just to check, can imagemap be set to pave part of the image link to the Image page, or is Click the only thing that can do that. (You'd think a template specificly created for use on the Wikia wiki wouldn't have these issues) --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Wikipedia has a template like this that puts a little blue 'i' in the corner of an image- you click on that to get info about it. In this case it's moot-- a single click takes you to the TFA page that lets you access the image info. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:18, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

=="TF dates"?==
Something else Wookiepedia does on its frontpage we... might want to look at stealing... Putting up a "__/__/__: _____ was released" history box. I dunno. It would only be for like comic books, DVDs, TV episodes, street-release-date toys, etc. Though I dunno if TF really has enough... stuff to do that with. I dunno. Idle thought. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:On paper, that's a cool idea. In execution, yeah, I don't think there's quite enough stuff to do it with. We know original episode air dates, and roughly know the street dates of the various comic issues, but we generally have no idea when various and sundry toys hit shelves before, what, '94? If we had enough stuff that there was something to put up at least twice a week (as a "This Week in TF History" thing) I'd say go for it. I guess we could stretch it and add birth dates of TF professionals and that sort of thing, but even then, we're a little sparse, I'd imagine. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 10:42, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

==Front page weirdness==
When clicking on the link for the Generation 1 (comic) or Generation 2 (comic) on the front page, I get taken to Animated (franchise)...but looking at the code the links appear to be correct, else I'd edit them. I've tried refreshing several times but the link is still wrong...anyone else seeing this? [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 12:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] aha, just seen the discussion above about the link "bleeding down"...that would explain it [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 12:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

==Search==
The current search bar only has a "Go" button,we can't look for articles by using keywords now. How are we supposed to look for things we don't know the name of now?[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 20:54, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:Isn't there a "Search" button right next to the "Go" button? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:57, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think there is a search button on the new skin but if you log in and set the wiki back to monobook in your preferences then you'll have a search button [[User:Donutter|Donut]] 21:02, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
: Are we talking Monaco skin, the one with the little arrow with the magnifying glass in it at the very top-left? Or the Monobook skin? I just put "thunder" in the former, clicked the arrow, and boom (ha ha), search results. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::But "Thunder" isn't the name of an article. If it were, it would just give you the article without any other search results, even if you clicked on the magnifying-glass arrow. I can't tell if that's what the anthropomorphic IP address above was asking, but I do know I dislike the reduced functionality of Monaco's search box. As far as I can tell, typing a word and hitting Enter is the same as clicking the arrow. You CAN still search for all occurrences of a word by going to the "Search" link underneath the sidebar. But that's annoying for the need to go to a whole 'nother page. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 04:46, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Nevermind,i figured it out now. Just type "Search:" and then the keywoard before pressing enter. for example,to search for Optimus Prime without annoyingly being redirected,type Search:Optimus Prime .[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 18:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
==Disambig pages==

I've seen three formats. The general, more common one like the Screamer one, the Prime style one and the BB one. Shouldn't we just stick with the one?[[User:GWolfv2]] 21.34 May 23rd
:The Prime page has to be like it is because there are so many things with "Prime" in their name that they need to be split. And why would we have a disambuig page for [[BB]]? If you're talking about Bumblebee, I don't think that page should be like that. Pictures do not help when the differences between one character's different bodies is about the same as the difference between his body and one belonging to another guy with the same name. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:00, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

==Prime Image==
Should an image Animated Prime be added to the front page? maybe replace Movie Prime in the picture if it needs to be a particular size? i think it should be updated to reflect the most modern incarnation of the character [[Special:Contributions/78.32.44.57|78.32.44.57]] 16:34, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
:Problem is, the front page's image is all from Takara's World Of Transformers page. We tried to add AniPrime in there but he didn't fit one bit, so until something better comes along, I do believe this image is going to stay as is. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:47, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

==Universe 2008==
I think you should ad a Universe 2008 link in the "by Series" section.
[[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:46, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:Never mind, I got it. I didn't know I could edit the main page.[[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

== The Irony ==

:In a wiki about transformers their alt modes aren't even mentioned ANYWHERE! I find this odd... {{SUBST::User:Crystal lucario/Sig}} 21:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::There's two articles on popular vehicle and animal modes, transformation article etc. You can't list alt with every character when some don't stick with the one [[User:GWolfv2]] 22.11 June 4th
:::You can find the altmodes for characters, usually, on the Toys section of their articles. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Ok, thanks. {{SUBST::User:Crystal lucario/Sig}} 11:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::psst- subst has to be lowercase. Also- too many colons. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:24, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Just as an example, G1 Optimus is often a semi-cab, but he's also officially transformed into...
* Cybertronic Mobile artillery (Marvel comics, pre-Earth)
* Sportscar (G2)
* Organic bat (super-early BW)
* Cybertronic truck-thing (War Within)
* HISS tank (Devil's Due G.I. Joe)
* Cybertronic pickup (e-hobby Orion Pax toy)
* Some kind of prehistoric animal (Hearts of Steel)
Plus, there was a canceled dump truck Optimus in G2, and plans to make him into a train for Hearts of Steel as well. I don't remember what he turned into for DW's Joe crossover. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:Psst- I come from another wikia so it thought I had a sig. And to M Sipher thank you. I still think that should be somewhere in the artical. Maybe under Forms... {{SUBST::User:Crystal lucario/Sig}} 23:08, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Y'know, it just recently occurred to me that when we scan characters' profile art, we should probably include more than their robot mode. For instance, it seemed like [[:Image:Primal_FPUnivBio.jpg|this pic]] was served by including the gorilla mode because it emphasized the fact that it wasn't his original beast form. Then I uploaded [[:Image:SoundwaveCyb_FPbio.jpg|this image]] and included the jet because it was a particularly well-drawn alt mode. And now that I've done that... I'm going to make a point of including alt-modes whenever I can. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 02:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
:To save on space (tall images are the BANE of the wiki), I placed the smaller images (such as the alt mode) over part of the large images in a picture, such as [[:Image:G1Bomb-Burst_MTMTE1.jpg|what I did for Bomb Burst]]. Of course, I also mostly did it so the uploaded pics would look similar to the original Pretender boxart arrangement (shell behind, robot in the middle, vehicle in the foreground).
:Little Iron's Soundwave looks GREAT, btw. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

== 'Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen' countdown ==
There's 381 days (as of June 9th, 2008) until 'TF2:ROTF' comes out and already there's a countdown box? I know it's too late to remove it, but don't you think it's a ''little'' too soon to put one up? It's like this one 'Garfield' comic strip that was printed on December 26th with Garfield shutting off his alarm clock and declaring "365 days until Christmas!". Well, atleast the box isn't counting down the hours, minutes, and seconds. -[[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 12:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
:I started counting down the days in my head as soon as I learned the release date. I think it's all in good fun, no reason to remove it. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 01:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Since no one said anything... ==

The last discussion of a 'goals' list for the month... somewhere... petered out, so I just threw some on the front page. (Mostly nonexistant wanted articles.) They have a 'star' rating to show how complete they are which you can easily edit. Hopefully we can get these to 5 stars by the end of June! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:Stubbed two of them already, hopefully with enough info that people can pick up easily.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 04:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

:As I said above -
:About the list of "ways to help"... thing is, those up-front lists should be geared toward attracting new editors -- new editors who by definition aren't going to know all the million little persnickety formatting things you have to know to set up a new page. Stuff like "fill in a stub" or "add storylinks" is a lot less intimidating, and a lot easier to slide into, than "here, make this page from scratch." I think an expanded list, akin to what's on my sample sandbox, should be near the top of the page, rather than a bunch of red links. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
::I would be for that. I wanted a lost of articles that needed to be brought to completion that were already clocked in. I just didn't know which to pick! Sub some out!
::I just-- I like the list because it gives a visible sense of progress (at the end of the month) on articles that no one would be inclined to work on on their own. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:59, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

==Should we have info boxes==
{{Transformers character|
name =Blitzwing
|image =blitzwing-animated.jpg
|caption =
|affiliation =Decepticon
|subgroup =Voyagers [[Triple Changer]]
|function =Berserker
|partner =
|motto =''"Whoooo, I'm freaking out!"'' <ref>[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/animated/default.cfm?page=Bio&character=blitzwing Character bios for Transformers Animated characters]</ref>
|alternatemodes = Dual-Barreled Assault Tank/Fighter Jet
|series =[[Transformers: Animated]]
|engvoice = [[Bumper Robinson]]
|japanvoice =
}}

It is to include some detail like this for example<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Talk:Main Page

2008-06-13T15:27:33Z

82.17.140.55: /* Since no one said anything... */

THE FUNNY STAYS.
-The Management

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==Archives==
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive1|Archive1]]
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive2|Archive2]]
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive3|Archive3]]

== Featured article ==

We have had the same thing there for like 50 years{{unsigned|Human in Disguise|02:22, 7 April 2008}}
:Not really. Jhiaxus was only made a Featured Article on March 2, 2008.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::With 6k articles, maybe we could switch the featured article every month?[[User:Spriteless|Spriteless]] 05:45, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:::We try to when we can, but usually that involves a big push to improve the given article to featured article standards.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:::: If someone was just going through the Wikia wikis they might assume that this wiki is a bit quiet. What about just chosing some of the bigger articles every now and again? The larger ones tend to the most highly polished, researched and moderated articles. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 19:20, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Some of the big articles need work because alot of the stuff in them was written in 2006 before we established standards. For instance, G1 Ratchet's article was featured last year I believe, but it was really unevenly written in terms of quality. I mean, for some reason half of the article eschewed storylinks in favour of references. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:26, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
:We probably should set up some ground rules on what makes a featured article. Right now, it's pretty much what ever Walky wants. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:34, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Thunderwing, Nice. --[[User:Human in Disguise|Human in disguise]]

Out of curiosity, how often does it change, or is it just on a whim? [[User:Jeep!|Jeep!]] 14:30, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

== front tf page ==

i hate april fool pranks on my fave tf front page -dr
:What? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

== Funny ==
I think we should remove the funny nes on the page, If it stays, It will sound like a child has being messing up this place and Other people will think it doesn't make sense. [[User:Black rhino ranger|Black rhino ranger]] 09:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:You're going to find yourself in the minority regarding this opinion.--[[User:Suzyprime|Suzyprime]] 13:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, Ranger, people are more likely to think this wiki "doesn't make sense" if it's edited by people who can't spell, conjugate, or use capital letters correctly. [[User:JW|JW]] 18:37, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Who made this again. [[User:Black rhino ranger|Black rhino ranger]] 19:55, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:If that's a question, I don't understand it. [[User:JW|JW]] 20:33, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

But we should Make the images Info not funny, Transformers is ment to be serious, not funny. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 15:47, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:Bullshit. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:46, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::Transformers be [[Bee in the City|'''''serious business''''']] yo. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:00, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:Sir, your erudite argument has at last shown me the light. I have been in error all this time, and you have turned the glare of knowledge against the darkness of my ignorance. Verily, we must all change our ways, and treat the stories about outer space robots that turn into cars as Serious Business. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 18:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

But it is unencyclopediac. It looks like a two year old vandalism. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 11:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks for sharing your viewpoint, but, you are very much in the minority. If you object that strongly, start your own Transformers wiki and make it boring. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

:: Or just read the transformers entries on wikipedia. I'm also guessing most people don't like it when you call our writing "like a two year old vandalism". [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 03:10, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Face it! Not Everyone likes funny wikis. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 15:25, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:Since we're one of the largest, highest-traffic wikis on Wikia, I don't think the people who object to "the funny" are a significant enough constituency to force us to change.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:27, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

==Search==
So, uh, what happened to the ability to type something into the text box, click "search," and not have it take me directly to a page, but give me a list of pages the term appears in instead? There is no search button on the front page! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:For as long as I've used the wiki, the Search function has only done that for me if what I've typed didn't match the title of any article exactly. As for the front page, I still see the Search box. I don't know if it makes a difference, but I'm using the Monaco skin.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:12, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::That doesn't match my experiences. I could type in "Megatron," click Search, and then it'd give me a list of pages that mention "Megatron" in the body of the text. It was very useful. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::On the topic of the Monaco skin, can we get some admin feedback on the Monaco skin discussion, please? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::To be sure, yes, that would be useful. As it is, now you'd have to type something like "Megatron's" or "Megatron" and another word to get similar results. And yeah, I've seen notices for the admins from [[User:Toughpigs|Toughpigs]] asking for feedback and wondered when that was going to be resolved.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:Regarding the search box - typing something into the box and hitting "enter," or clicking "go," is the option that takes you directly to the page with the title you've typed. Typing something into the box and actually clicking the button marked "search" is the option that brings up a list of stuff containing the term, and that's the button we appear to have lost here (although on my screen at least, it's coming and going intermittently, but that's probably a browser cache thing). I've not got the Monaco skin on, but regarding that, I rather like it, and I'd like to see it implimented. There's something very "bare bones" about our set up here, and of course, I know that we kinda have that as a show of "not taking everything too seriously," but I'd personally like to see the Monaco skin in use. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::The same function is in the "Advanced Search" link. Am I the only one who sees it or something? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:17, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Cripes, I can't insert a comment before three more jump in before me. No, there's definitely no Search button visible in the Monaco skin as I'm using it, just an arrow with a magnifying glass icon in it (the equivalent of the "Go" button, obviously). I see the "Advanced search" link too, but it doesn't offer quite the same function, in that it doesn't default to the "all text occurrences" option. Rather, you have to choose settings to get that. Not a terrible extra step, but still...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 18:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I see the advanced search link. I also ''REALLY LIKE'' the new 'random page image link' above the search box. Who do I have to thank for that? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I put it in, but it was Siph's idea. Breaking the "Search" button under non-Monaco themes was also my doing, I'm afraid; I was a little zealous with putting in a more useful search and it didn't quite work. It should be back in a day or two. I somehow totally missed any discussion on Monaco coming up; I'll get to commenting on that. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 19:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Primarily Wookieepedia for the idea, Blitz for the implementation, and I suppose me for harraunging her about it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::A random page on search function is really a good idea because that would make us know about more characters. By the way, I think there still need a normal ''search button'' in the original place . :D --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 01:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Then I thank you guys for it. '''IF''' we switch to Monaco, is there any way to do a similar function with that skin? I think the function is very helpful for newcomers to the wiki (and Transformers in general) for they don't have to look through lists of names or randomly search for things. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:17, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I don't think it'd be too hard. If we ''do'' switch to Monaco, there'd need to be some changes done to the search box anyway, since under that, there's no "search" button. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
: Is there a way to make the search image load earlier? Right now it's the very last thing to load; even the flash ads come up earlier. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:: The short answer is no, unfortunately. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Why does the bar show pictures of random characters, but when you go to their pages they have no visual representation? [[User:90.198.228.42|90.198.228.42]] 20:28, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:Because... I don't know really. I don't know why the powers-at-be chose to create these little search pictures for characters that have no pictures. One would think if they had a reasonably sized image to create the search button picture, they could have uploaded the full size image for the page itself. And/or create searchbox pic-links for characters that DO have decent visual representation AND largely completed articles. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
==Familial relationships==

Should we put something up, relating to the idea of siblings or such[[User:GWolfv2]]
:See [[Relatives]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Redesigning the front page ==

Now that the Monaco skin is the default, and Toughpigs is around to help us out, I suggest we figure out a way to redesign the front page so it isn't just a columns of text. Is there any reasonable way for us to have the franchises in the By Series (or anywhere else, really) represented by the franchise logos? The logos can be as recognisable as the names alone, and given we're getting more and more visitors every day, it would be helpful to make the place more visually pleasing and more user-friendly. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:30, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:I think that's still a [[Talk:Main_Page/Archive2#Logos_for_.27By_series.27_column|bad idea]]. The logos were never designed to look good together, and some (like the 2007 movie) are anti-informative. If you can present a design that somehow makes it work, please do. But I don't see how the new skin changes the basic problems. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:56, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::I tend to think the Main Page and its columns of text are just fine as is. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:04, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::Also, wouldn't it perhaps be best to wait a few days for everyone to get home from BotCon before starting a discussion on more major changes like this? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Didn't stop Toughpigs redesigning the whole Wiki... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:18, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Toughpigs has been touting the switch to Monaco for quite some time, and he only finally got the nod from an admin just before BotCon.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:22, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Just wanted to say I love the new look.

===Ad bar issues with Monaco?===
I don't know if it's just me, but trying to load the Wiki in Firefox results in it loading everything up to the adserver stuff, and then Firefox proceeds to hang the fuck up, completely use up all available memory, and force me to kill it through Task Manager. It's kind of a pain in the ass.(I'm using explorer right now) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:I've had no troubles with Firefox 2, nor Firefox 3 beta 5.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:37, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

== Improvement Drive ==
I have no idea how long the "Improvement Drive" column has been there, but it's a great idea, content-wise. However, IMO the links it contains should really be a permanent part of the Help/Start Here column. It's the kind of thing I was talking about [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#.22First_go_here.21__Next_go_here..22 a while ago]. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
:Giving this a bump. Input, anyone? Anyone? If nobody protests, I'd like to merge the contents of the "Improvement drive" section with the "Start here" section. Perhaps a blurb on a more specialized improvement drive -- say, our long-dormant BW improvement drive -- could take the place of the current one. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::Giving this one last bump. If nobody objects, I'm making the changes. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:One of the reasons the Improvement Drive was disbanded on Wookieepedia was because we instead formed projects such as "Tales of the Jedi project" "The New Essential Chronology project". This allowed us to focus on groups of articles which were in need of updating instead of simply one article. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I fully support a "Project" initiative. (Cough cough prose stories cough.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I can definitely live with that - it looks like one of the new users is actually working on RiD stuff, which is an area that I've felt could use more coverage - it's not my area of knowledge, tho. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 01:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yeah. I know a lot about the fiction in GENERAL, but when it comes to what happened in what specific episodes and issues? Not so much. Toys are more my forte... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:49, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::It doesn't help that most of us would need to import the DVDs to write about the fiction. I've been thinking of doing that, but I've already bought a couple of hundred dollars worth of TF DVDs I don't really need soley for writing and screen capping articles for the wiki, which upon reflection is a little insane. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:03, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Please see [[User:Repowers/Sandbox]] for a test page. Feel free to tweak and/or comment. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 04:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
:I weaked the disclaimer, added a countdown to TF2 clock (the page de-caches a couple times a day, so it should remain accurate without having to re-edit, I did a sandbox text to verify) and I got rid of the clickable Animated logo, sicne that template still isn't working right and I haven't figured out how to make it work right.
:Re:Improvement Drive... How about we have a 'goals' list for the month? Like, 20 or 30 articles we want to get up to snuff, chosen for balance. A lot of piddling pages, a few episodes or comics no one's gonna get around to on their own, and one or two major character pages. We can track 'em at the end of the month and see how successful we were. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::Giving this a bump.
::About the list of "ways to help"... thing is, those up-front lists should be geared toward attracting new editors -- new editors who by definition aren't going to know all the million little persnickety formatting things you have to know to set up a new page. Stuff like "fill in a stub" or "add storylinks" is a lot less intimidating, and a lot easier to slide into, than "here, make this page from scratch." I think an expanded list, akin to what's on my sample sandbox, should be near the top of the page, rather than a bunch of red links. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

== Main "Transformers Animated" image ==

It really ought to be clickable. Unfortunately, [[:Template:Click]] currently doesn't actually let you center an image-- it probably needs to be rewritten at some point. Unless someone else volunteers, this is mostly just a reminder to myself. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:53, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:Someone just did that and now the link messes up the main page by covering the links to "Comics", "Generation 1", "(toyline/cartoon/comic)", "Generation 2", and "Help contents". Ugh, it was better off the way it was before. Besides, there was a link to the Animated franchise below the giant logo. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::What poor excuse for a browser are you using? The TFA logo is ''above'' all that stuff. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 23:35, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::The image is, but the link is stretching down over the ones below it. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm using Firefox, and the link ends WAY before that. I have no troubles whatsoever. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 00:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Sabrblade, to repeat- "What browser are you using?" -[[Special:Contributions/75.168.112.43|75.168.112.43]] 01:35, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Internet Explorer 7 is my browser on this particular computer (I use at least three different ones). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 20:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well ''there's'' your problem. IE doesn't follow correct HTML protocol, and each version has a different way of not following it. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:19, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Just realized I'm having the same problem, using Firefox. The link to [[Transformers Animated (franchise)]] from the image is like, bleeding down or something, covering up some of the links below it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:43, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Well, is there any other browser besides Internet Explorer and Firefox that doesn't have the problem? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I just went and had a look at [[:Template:Click]] and tried a few things, but it's beyond me. Can we not just do it in html? It would be a hell of a lot simpler...[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 12:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, with the "no TF:A Dubai spoilers" text written by Chris McFeely, the image no longer covers the G1 and G2 links. It still bleeds down, but only over the link-free text. So until that text gets erased, the image bleeding isn't much of a problem (but it will be again once that text is gone).[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:02, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Still covers them for me, and I'm using the latest Firefox. I'm going to edit this until someone can come up with a better solution - removing the Dubai text will just make it bleed lower down the page, surely... [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 16:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::If any one isn't getting the problem [http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h278/Undecided_tmn/Mainpage_error.jpg here is what it looks like] to me. It's the blue highlighted box. [http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h278/Undecided_tmn/Mainpage_error_IE-1.jpg Here is what it looks like in Internet Explorer]. Screen resolution is 1280x1024. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 22:15, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:I replaced it with an imagemap so it links directly to [[Transformers Animated (franchise)]]. Given that the same image is at the top of that page, I don't think we need the main page to link to the Image page if the only way of doing so messes up the rest of the page. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:50, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::Imagemap is working on wikia now? Yay! IIRC it wasn't 18 months ago when you originally took a stab at <nowiki>{{click}}</nowiki> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Just to check, can imagemap be set to pave part of the image link to the Image page, or is Click the only thing that can do that. (You'd think a template specificly created for use on the Wikia wiki wouldn't have these issues) --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Wikipedia has a template like this that puts a little blue 'i' in the corner of an image- you click on that to get info about it. In this case it's moot-- a single click takes you to the TFA page that lets you access the image info. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:18, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

=="TF dates"?==
Something else Wookiepedia does on its frontpage we... might want to look at stealing... Putting up a "__/__/__: _____ was released" history box. I dunno. It would only be for like comic books, DVDs, TV episodes, street-release-date toys, etc. Though I dunno if TF really has enough... stuff to do that with. I dunno. Idle thought. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:On paper, that's a cool idea. In execution, yeah, I don't think there's quite enough stuff to do it with. We know original episode air dates, and roughly know the street dates of the various comic issues, but we generally have no idea when various and sundry toys hit shelves before, what, '94? If we had enough stuff that there was something to put up at least twice a week (as a "This Week in TF History" thing) I'd say go for it. I guess we could stretch it and add birth dates of TF professionals and that sort of thing, but even then, we're a little sparse, I'd imagine. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 10:42, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

==Front page weirdness==
When clicking on the link for the Generation 1 (comic) or Generation 2 (comic) on the front page, I get taken to Animated (franchise)...but looking at the code the links appear to be correct, else I'd edit them. I've tried refreshing several times but the link is still wrong...anyone else seeing this? [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 12:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] aha, just seen the discussion above about the link "bleeding down"...that would explain it [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 12:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

==Search==
The current search bar only has a "Go" button,we can't look for articles by using keywords now. How are we supposed to look for things we don't know the name of now?[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 20:54, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:Isn't there a "Search" button right next to the "Go" button? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:57, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think there is a search button on the new skin but if you log in and set the wiki back to monobook in your preferences then you'll have a search button [[User:Donutter|Donut]] 21:02, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
: Are we talking Monaco skin, the one with the little arrow with the magnifying glass in it at the very top-left? Or the Monobook skin? I just put "thunder" in the former, clicked the arrow, and boom (ha ha), search results. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::But "Thunder" isn't the name of an article. If it were, it would just give you the article without any other search results, even if you clicked on the magnifying-glass arrow. I can't tell if that's what the anthropomorphic IP address above was asking, but I do know I dislike the reduced functionality of Monaco's search box. As far as I can tell, typing a word and hitting Enter is the same as clicking the arrow. You CAN still search for all occurrences of a word by going to the "Search" link underneath the sidebar. But that's annoying for the need to go to a whole 'nother page. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 04:46, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Nevermind,i figured it out now. Just type "Search:" and then the keywoard before pressing enter. for example,to search for Optimus Prime without annoyingly being redirected,type Search:Optimus Prime .[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 18:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
==Disambig pages==

I've seen three formats. The general, more common one like the Screamer one, the Prime style one and the BB one. Shouldn't we just stick with the one?[[User:GWolfv2]] 21.34 May 23rd
:The Prime page has to be like it is because there are so many things with "Prime" in their name that they need to be split. And why would we have a disambuig page for [[BB]]? If you're talking about Bumblebee, I don't think that page should be like that. Pictures do not help when the differences between one character's different bodies is about the same as the difference between his body and one belonging to another guy with the same name. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:00, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

==Prime Image==
Should an image Animated Prime be added to the front page? maybe replace Movie Prime in the picture if it needs to be a particular size? i think it should be updated to reflect the most modern incarnation of the character [[Special:Contributions/78.32.44.57|78.32.44.57]] 16:34, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
:Problem is, the front page's image is all from Takara's World Of Transformers page. We tried to add AniPrime in there but he didn't fit one bit, so until something better comes along, I do believe this image is going to stay as is. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:47, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

==Universe 2008==
I think you should ad a Universe 2008 link in the "by Series" section.
[[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:46, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:Never mind, I got it. I didn't know I could edit the main page.[[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

== The Irony ==

:In a wiki about transformers their alt modes aren't even mentioned ANYWHERE! I find this odd... {{SUBST::User:Crystal lucario/Sig}} 21:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::There's two articles on popular vehicle and animal modes, transformation article etc. You can't list alt with every character when some don't stick with the one [[User:GWolfv2]] 22.11 June 4th
:::You can find the altmodes for characters, usually, on the Toys section of their articles. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Ok, thanks. {{SUBST::User:Crystal lucario/Sig}} 11:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::psst- subst has to be lowercase. Also- too many colons. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:24, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Just as an example, G1 Optimus is often a semi-cab, but he's also officially transformed into...
* Cybertronic Mobile artillery (Marvel comics, pre-Earth)
* Sportscar (G2)
* Organic bat (super-early BW)
* Cybertronic truck-thing (War Within)
* HISS tank (Devil's Due G.I. Joe)
* Cybertronic pickup (e-hobby Orion Pax toy)
* Some kind of prehistoric animal (Hearts of Steel)
Plus, there was a canceled dump truck Optimus in G2, and plans to make him into a train for Hearts of Steel as well. I don't remember what he turned into for DW's Joe crossover. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:Psst- I come from another wikia so it thought I had a sig. And to M Sipher thank you. I still think that should be somewhere in the artical. Maybe under Forms... {{SUBST::User:Crystal lucario/Sig}} 23:08, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Y'know, it just recently occurred to me that when we scan characters' profile art, we should probably include more than their robot mode. For instance, it seemed like [[:Image:Primal_FPUnivBio.jpg|this pic]] was served by including the gorilla mode because it emphasized the fact that it wasn't his original beast form. Then I uploaded [[:Image:SoundwaveCyb_FPbio.jpg|this image]] and included the jet because it was a particularly well-drawn alt mode. And now that I've done that... I'm going to make a point of including alt-modes whenever I can. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 02:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
:To save on space (tall images are the BANE of the wiki), I placed the smaller images (such as the alt mode) over part of the large images in a picture, such as [[:Image:G1Bomb-Burst_MTMTE1.jpg|what I did for Bomb Burst]]. Of course, I also mostly did it so the uploaded pics would look similar to the original Pretender boxart arrangement (shell behind, robot in the middle, vehicle in the foreground).
:Little Iron's Soundwave looks GREAT, btw. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

== 'Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen' countdown ==
There's 381 days (as of June 9th, 2008) until 'TF2:ROTF' comes out and already there's a countdown box? I know it's too late to remove it, but don't you think it's a ''little'' too soon to put one up? It's like this one 'Garfield' comic strip that was printed on December 26th with Garfield shutting off his alarm clock and declaring "365 days until Christmas!". Well, atleast the box isn't counting down the hours, minutes, and seconds. -[[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 12:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
:I started counting down the days in my head as soon as I learned the release date. I think it's all in good fun, no reason to remove it. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 01:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Since no one said anything... ==

The last discussion of a 'goals' list for the month... somewhere... petered out, so I just threw some on the front page. (Mostly nonexistant wanted articles.) They have a 'star' rating to show how complete they are which you can easily edit. Hopefully we can get these to 5 stars by the end of June! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:Stubbed two of them already, hopefully with enough info that people can pick up easily.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 04:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

:As I said above -
:About the list of "ways to help"... thing is, those up-front lists should be geared toward attracting new editors -- new editors who by definition aren't going to know all the million little persnickety formatting things you have to know to set up a new page. Stuff like "fill in a stub" or "add storylinks" is a lot less intimidating, and a lot easier to slide into, than "here, make this page from scratch." I think an expanded list, akin to what's on my sample sandbox, should be near the top of the page, rather than a bunch of red links. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
::I would be for that. I wanted a lost of articles that needed to be brought to completion that were already clocked in. I just didn't know which to pick! Sub some out!
::I just-- I like the list because it gives a visible sense of progress (at the end of the month) on articles that no one would be inclined to work on on their own. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:59, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

==Should we have info boxes==
==Transformers: Animated==
{{Transformers character|
name =Blitzwing
|image =blitzwing-animated.jpg
|caption =
|affiliation =Decepticon
|subgroup =Voyagers [[Triple Changer]]
|function =Berserker
|partner =
|motto =''"Whoooo, I'm freaking out!"'' <ref>[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/animated/default.cfm?page=Bio&character=blitzwing Character bios for Transformers Animated characters]</ref>
|alternatemodes = Dual-Barreled Assault Tank/Fighter Jet
|series =[[Transformers: Animated]]
|engvoice = [[Bumper Robinson]]
|japanvoice =
}}

It is to include some detail like this for example<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Talk:Main Page

2008-06-13T15:25:35Z

82.17.140.55: /* Funny */

THE FUNNY STAYS.
-The Management

__TOC__

Please use this talk page for discussion about the [[Main Page]].

To discuss site-wide policies, please visit [[Transformers Wiki Talk:Community Portal|the Community Portal talk page]].

==Archives==
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive1|Archive1]]
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive2|Archive2]]
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive3|Archive3]]

== Featured article ==

We have had the same thing there for like 50 years{{unsigned|Human in Disguise|02:22, 7 April 2008}}
:Not really. Jhiaxus was only made a Featured Article on March 2, 2008.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::With 6k articles, maybe we could switch the featured article every month?[[User:Spriteless|Spriteless]] 05:45, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:::We try to when we can, but usually that involves a big push to improve the given article to featured article standards.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:::: If someone was just going through the Wikia wikis they might assume that this wiki is a bit quiet. What about just chosing some of the bigger articles every now and again? The larger ones tend to the most highly polished, researched and moderated articles. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 19:20, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Some of the big articles need work because alot of the stuff in them was written in 2006 before we established standards. For instance, G1 Ratchet's article was featured last year I believe, but it was really unevenly written in terms of quality. I mean, for some reason half of the article eschewed storylinks in favour of references. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:26, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
:We probably should set up some ground rules on what makes a featured article. Right now, it's pretty much what ever Walky wants. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:34, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Thunderwing, Nice. --[[User:Human in Disguise|Human in disguise]]

Out of curiosity, how often does it change, or is it just on a whim? [[User:Jeep!|Jeep!]] 14:30, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

== front tf page ==

i hate april fool pranks on my fave tf front page -dr
:What? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

== Funny ==
I think we should remove the funny nes on the page, If it stays, It will sound like a child has being messing up this place and Other people will think it doesn't make sense. [[User:Black rhino ranger|Black rhino ranger]] 09:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:You're going to find yourself in the minority regarding this opinion.--[[User:Suzyprime|Suzyprime]] 13:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, Ranger, people are more likely to think this wiki "doesn't make sense" if it's edited by people who can't spell, conjugate, or use capital letters correctly. [[User:JW|JW]] 18:37, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Who made this again. [[User:Black rhino ranger|Black rhino ranger]] 19:55, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:If that's a question, I don't understand it. [[User:JW|JW]] 20:33, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

But we should Make the images Info not funny, Transformers is ment to be serious, not funny. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 15:47, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:Bullshit. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:46, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::Transformers be [[Bee in the City|'''''serious business''''']] yo. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:00, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:Sir, your erudite argument has at last shown me the light. I have been in error all this time, and you have turned the glare of knowledge against the darkness of my ignorance. Verily, we must all change our ways, and treat the stories about outer space robots that turn into cars as Serious Business. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 18:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

But it is unencyclopediac. It looks like a two year old vandalism. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 11:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks for sharing your viewpoint, but, you are very much in the minority. If you object that strongly, start your own Transformers wiki and make it boring. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

:: Or just read the transformers entries on wikipedia. I'm also guessing most people don't like it when you call our writing "like a two year old vandalism". [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 03:10, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Face it! Not Everyone likes funny wikis. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 15:25, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

==Search==
So, uh, what happened to the ability to type something into the text box, click "search," and not have it take me directly to a page, but give me a list of pages the term appears in instead? There is no search button on the front page! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:For as long as I've used the wiki, the Search function has only done that for me if what I've typed didn't match the title of any article exactly. As for the front page, I still see the Search box. I don't know if it makes a difference, but I'm using the Monaco skin.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:12, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::That doesn't match my experiences. I could type in "Megatron," click Search, and then it'd give me a list of pages that mention "Megatron" in the body of the text. It was very useful. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::On the topic of the Monaco skin, can we get some admin feedback on the Monaco skin discussion, please? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::To be sure, yes, that would be useful. As it is, now you'd have to type something like "Megatron's" or "Megatron" and another word to get similar results. And yeah, I've seen notices for the admins from [[User:Toughpigs|Toughpigs]] asking for feedback and wondered when that was going to be resolved.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:Regarding the search box - typing something into the box and hitting "enter," or clicking "go," is the option that takes you directly to the page with the title you've typed. Typing something into the box and actually clicking the button marked "search" is the option that brings up a list of stuff containing the term, and that's the button we appear to have lost here (although on my screen at least, it's coming and going intermittently, but that's probably a browser cache thing). I've not got the Monaco skin on, but regarding that, I rather like it, and I'd like to see it implimented. There's something very "bare bones" about our set up here, and of course, I know that we kinda have that as a show of "not taking everything too seriously," but I'd personally like to see the Monaco skin in use. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::The same function is in the "Advanced Search" link. Am I the only one who sees it or something? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:17, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Cripes, I can't insert a comment before three more jump in before me. No, there's definitely no Search button visible in the Monaco skin as I'm using it, just an arrow with a magnifying glass icon in it (the equivalent of the "Go" button, obviously). I see the "Advanced search" link too, but it doesn't offer quite the same function, in that it doesn't default to the "all text occurrences" option. Rather, you have to choose settings to get that. Not a terrible extra step, but still...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 18:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I see the advanced search link. I also ''REALLY LIKE'' the new 'random page image link' above the search box. Who do I have to thank for that? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I put it in, but it was Siph's idea. Breaking the "Search" button under non-Monaco themes was also my doing, I'm afraid; I was a little zealous with putting in a more useful search and it didn't quite work. It should be back in a day or two. I somehow totally missed any discussion on Monaco coming up; I'll get to commenting on that. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 19:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Primarily Wookieepedia for the idea, Blitz for the implementation, and I suppose me for harraunging her about it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::A random page on search function is really a good idea because that would make us know about more characters. By the way, I think there still need a normal ''search button'' in the original place . :D --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 01:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Then I thank you guys for it. '''IF''' we switch to Monaco, is there any way to do a similar function with that skin? I think the function is very helpful for newcomers to the wiki (and Transformers in general) for they don't have to look through lists of names or randomly search for things. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:17, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I don't think it'd be too hard. If we ''do'' switch to Monaco, there'd need to be some changes done to the search box anyway, since under that, there's no "search" button. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
: Is there a way to make the search image load earlier? Right now it's the very last thing to load; even the flash ads come up earlier. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:: The short answer is no, unfortunately. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Why does the bar show pictures of random characters, but when you go to their pages they have no visual representation? [[User:90.198.228.42|90.198.228.42]] 20:28, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:Because... I don't know really. I don't know why the powers-at-be chose to create these little search pictures for characters that have no pictures. One would think if they had a reasonably sized image to create the search button picture, they could have uploaded the full size image for the page itself. And/or create searchbox pic-links for characters that DO have decent visual representation AND largely completed articles. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
==Familial relationships==

Should we put something up, relating to the idea of siblings or such[[User:GWolfv2]]
:See [[Relatives]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Redesigning the front page ==

Now that the Monaco skin is the default, and Toughpigs is around to help us out, I suggest we figure out a way to redesign the front page so it isn't just a columns of text. Is there any reasonable way for us to have the franchises in the By Series (or anywhere else, really) represented by the franchise logos? The logos can be as recognisable as the names alone, and given we're getting more and more visitors every day, it would be helpful to make the place more visually pleasing and more user-friendly. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:30, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:I think that's still a [[Talk:Main_Page/Archive2#Logos_for_.27By_series.27_column|bad idea]]. The logos were never designed to look good together, and some (like the 2007 movie) are anti-informative. If you can present a design that somehow makes it work, please do. But I don't see how the new skin changes the basic problems. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:56, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::I tend to think the Main Page and its columns of text are just fine as is. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:04, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::Also, wouldn't it perhaps be best to wait a few days for everyone to get home from BotCon before starting a discussion on more major changes like this? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Didn't stop Toughpigs redesigning the whole Wiki... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:18, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Toughpigs has been touting the switch to Monaco for quite some time, and he only finally got the nod from an admin just before BotCon.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:22, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Just wanted to say I love the new look.

===Ad bar issues with Monaco?===
I don't know if it's just me, but trying to load the Wiki in Firefox results in it loading everything up to the adserver stuff, and then Firefox proceeds to hang the fuck up, completely use up all available memory, and force me to kill it through Task Manager. It's kind of a pain in the ass.(I'm using explorer right now) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:I've had no troubles with Firefox 2, nor Firefox 3 beta 5.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:37, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

== Improvement Drive ==
I have no idea how long the "Improvement Drive" column has been there, but it's a great idea, content-wise. However, IMO the links it contains should really be a permanent part of the Help/Start Here column. It's the kind of thing I was talking about [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#.22First_go_here.21__Next_go_here..22 a while ago]. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
:Giving this a bump. Input, anyone? Anyone? If nobody protests, I'd like to merge the contents of the "Improvement drive" section with the "Start here" section. Perhaps a blurb on a more specialized improvement drive -- say, our long-dormant BW improvement drive -- could take the place of the current one. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::Giving this one last bump. If nobody objects, I'm making the changes. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:One of the reasons the Improvement Drive was disbanded on Wookieepedia was because we instead formed projects such as "Tales of the Jedi project" "The New Essential Chronology project". This allowed us to focus on groups of articles which were in need of updating instead of simply one article. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I fully support a "Project" initiative. (Cough cough prose stories cough.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I can definitely live with that - it looks like one of the new users is actually working on RiD stuff, which is an area that I've felt could use more coverage - it's not my area of knowledge, tho. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 01:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yeah. I know a lot about the fiction in GENERAL, but when it comes to what happened in what specific episodes and issues? Not so much. Toys are more my forte... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:49, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::It doesn't help that most of us would need to import the DVDs to write about the fiction. I've been thinking of doing that, but I've already bought a couple of hundred dollars worth of TF DVDs I don't really need soley for writing and screen capping articles for the wiki, which upon reflection is a little insane. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:03, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Please see [[User:Repowers/Sandbox]] for a test page. Feel free to tweak and/or comment. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 04:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
:I weaked the disclaimer, added a countdown to TF2 clock (the page de-caches a couple times a day, so it should remain accurate without having to re-edit, I did a sandbox text to verify) and I got rid of the clickable Animated logo, sicne that template still isn't working right and I haven't figured out how to make it work right.
:Re:Improvement Drive... How about we have a 'goals' list for the month? Like, 20 or 30 articles we want to get up to snuff, chosen for balance. A lot of piddling pages, a few episodes or comics no one's gonna get around to on their own, and one or two major character pages. We can track 'em at the end of the month and see how successful we were. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::Giving this a bump.
::About the list of "ways to help"... thing is, those up-front lists should be geared toward attracting new editors -- new editors who by definition aren't going to know all the million little persnickety formatting things you have to know to set up a new page. Stuff like "fill in a stub" or "add storylinks" is a lot less intimidating, and a lot easier to slide into, than "here, make this page from scratch." I think an expanded list, akin to what's on my sample sandbox, should be near the top of the page, rather than a bunch of red links. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

== Main "Transformers Animated" image ==

It really ought to be clickable. Unfortunately, [[:Template:Click]] currently doesn't actually let you center an image-- it probably needs to be rewritten at some point. Unless someone else volunteers, this is mostly just a reminder to myself. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:53, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:Someone just did that and now the link messes up the main page by covering the links to "Comics", "Generation 1", "(toyline/cartoon/comic)", "Generation 2", and "Help contents". Ugh, it was better off the way it was before. Besides, there was a link to the Animated franchise below the giant logo. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::What poor excuse for a browser are you using? The TFA logo is ''above'' all that stuff. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 23:35, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::The image is, but the link is stretching down over the ones below it. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm using Firefox, and the link ends WAY before that. I have no troubles whatsoever. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 00:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Sabrblade, to repeat- "What browser are you using?" -[[Special:Contributions/75.168.112.43|75.168.112.43]] 01:35, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Internet Explorer 7 is my browser on this particular computer (I use at least three different ones). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 20:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well ''there's'' your problem. IE doesn't follow correct HTML protocol, and each version has a different way of not following it. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:19, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Just realized I'm having the same problem, using Firefox. The link to [[Transformers Animated (franchise)]] from the image is like, bleeding down or something, covering up some of the links below it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:43, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Well, is there any other browser besides Internet Explorer and Firefox that doesn't have the problem? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I just went and had a look at [[:Template:Click]] and tried a few things, but it's beyond me. Can we not just do it in html? It would be a hell of a lot simpler...[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 12:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, with the "no TF:A Dubai spoilers" text written by Chris McFeely, the image no longer covers the G1 and G2 links. It still bleeds down, but only over the link-free text. So until that text gets erased, the image bleeding isn't much of a problem (but it will be again once that text is gone).[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:02, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Still covers them for me, and I'm using the latest Firefox. I'm going to edit this until someone can come up with a better solution - removing the Dubai text will just make it bleed lower down the page, surely... [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 16:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::If any one isn't getting the problem [http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h278/Undecided_tmn/Mainpage_error.jpg here is what it looks like] to me. It's the blue highlighted box. [http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h278/Undecided_tmn/Mainpage_error_IE-1.jpg Here is what it looks like in Internet Explorer]. Screen resolution is 1280x1024. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 22:15, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:I replaced it with an imagemap so it links directly to [[Transformers Animated (franchise)]]. Given that the same image is at the top of that page, I don't think we need the main page to link to the Image page if the only way of doing so messes up the rest of the page. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:50, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::Imagemap is working on wikia now? Yay! IIRC it wasn't 18 months ago when you originally took a stab at <nowiki>{{click}}</nowiki> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Just to check, can imagemap be set to pave part of the image link to the Image page, or is Click the only thing that can do that. (You'd think a template specificly created for use on the Wikia wiki wouldn't have these issues) --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Wikipedia has a template like this that puts a little blue 'i' in the corner of an image- you click on that to get info about it. In this case it's moot-- a single click takes you to the TFA page that lets you access the image info. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:18, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

=="TF dates"?==
Something else Wookiepedia does on its frontpage we... might want to look at stealing... Putting up a "__/__/__: _____ was released" history box. I dunno. It would only be for like comic books, DVDs, TV episodes, street-release-date toys, etc. Though I dunno if TF really has enough... stuff to do that with. I dunno. Idle thought. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:On paper, that's a cool idea. In execution, yeah, I don't think there's quite enough stuff to do it with. We know original episode air dates, and roughly know the street dates of the various comic issues, but we generally have no idea when various and sundry toys hit shelves before, what, '94? If we had enough stuff that there was something to put up at least twice a week (as a "This Week in TF History" thing) I'd say go for it. I guess we could stretch it and add birth dates of TF professionals and that sort of thing, but even then, we're a little sparse, I'd imagine. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 10:42, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

==Front page weirdness==
When clicking on the link for the Generation 1 (comic) or Generation 2 (comic) on the front page, I get taken to Animated (franchise)...but looking at the code the links appear to be correct, else I'd edit them. I've tried refreshing several times but the link is still wrong...anyone else seeing this? [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 12:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] aha, just seen the discussion above about the link "bleeding down"...that would explain it [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 12:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

==Search==
The current search bar only has a "Go" button,we can't look for articles by using keywords now. How are we supposed to look for things we don't know the name of now?[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 20:54, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:Isn't there a "Search" button right next to the "Go" button? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:57, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think there is a search button on the new skin but if you log in and set the wiki back to monobook in your preferences then you'll have a search button [[User:Donutter|Donut]] 21:02, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
: Are we talking Monaco skin, the one with the little arrow with the magnifying glass in it at the very top-left? Or the Monobook skin? I just put "thunder" in the former, clicked the arrow, and boom (ha ha), search results. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::But "Thunder" isn't the name of an article. If it were, it would just give you the article without any other search results, even if you clicked on the magnifying-glass arrow. I can't tell if that's what the anthropomorphic IP address above was asking, but I do know I dislike the reduced functionality of Monaco's search box. As far as I can tell, typing a word and hitting Enter is the same as clicking the arrow. You CAN still search for all occurrences of a word by going to the "Search" link underneath the sidebar. But that's annoying for the need to go to a whole 'nother page. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 04:46, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Nevermind,i figured it out now. Just type "Search:" and then the keywoard before pressing enter. for example,to search for Optimus Prime without annoyingly being redirected,type Search:Optimus Prime .[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 18:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
==Disambig pages==

I've seen three formats. The general, more common one like the Screamer one, the Prime style one and the BB one. Shouldn't we just stick with the one?[[User:GWolfv2]] 21.34 May 23rd
:The Prime page has to be like it is because there are so many things with "Prime" in their name that they need to be split. And why would we have a disambuig page for [[BB]]? If you're talking about Bumblebee, I don't think that page should be like that. Pictures do not help when the differences between one character's different bodies is about the same as the difference between his body and one belonging to another guy with the same name. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:00, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

==Prime Image==
Should an image Animated Prime be added to the front page? maybe replace Movie Prime in the picture if it needs to be a particular size? i think it should be updated to reflect the most modern incarnation of the character [[Special:Contributions/78.32.44.57|78.32.44.57]] 16:34, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
:Problem is, the front page's image is all from Takara's World Of Transformers page. We tried to add AniPrime in there but he didn't fit one bit, so until something better comes along, I do believe this image is going to stay as is. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:47, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

==Universe 2008==
I think you should ad a Universe 2008 link in the "by Series" section.
[[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:46, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:Never mind, I got it. I didn't know I could edit the main page.[[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

== The Irony ==

:In a wiki about transformers their alt modes aren't even mentioned ANYWHERE! I find this odd... {{SUBST::User:Crystal lucario/Sig}} 21:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::There's two articles on popular vehicle and animal modes, transformation article etc. You can't list alt with every character when some don't stick with the one [[User:GWolfv2]] 22.11 June 4th
:::You can find the altmodes for characters, usually, on the Toys section of their articles. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Ok, thanks. {{SUBST::User:Crystal lucario/Sig}} 11:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::psst- subst has to be lowercase. Also- too many colons. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:24, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Just as an example, G1 Optimus is often a semi-cab, but he's also officially transformed into...
* Cybertronic Mobile artillery (Marvel comics, pre-Earth)
* Sportscar (G2)
* Organic bat (super-early BW)
* Cybertronic truck-thing (War Within)
* HISS tank (Devil's Due G.I. Joe)
* Cybertronic pickup (e-hobby Orion Pax toy)
* Some kind of prehistoric animal (Hearts of Steel)
Plus, there was a canceled dump truck Optimus in G2, and plans to make him into a train for Hearts of Steel as well. I don't remember what he turned into for DW's Joe crossover. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:Psst- I come from another wikia so it thought I had a sig. And to M Sipher thank you. I still think that should be somewhere in the artical. Maybe under Forms... {{SUBST::User:Crystal lucario/Sig}} 23:08, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Y'know, it just recently occurred to me that when we scan characters' profile art, we should probably include more than their robot mode. For instance, it seemed like [[:Image:Primal_FPUnivBio.jpg|this pic]] was served by including the gorilla mode because it emphasized the fact that it wasn't his original beast form. Then I uploaded [[:Image:SoundwaveCyb_FPbio.jpg|this image]] and included the jet because it was a particularly well-drawn alt mode. And now that I've done that... I'm going to make a point of including alt-modes whenever I can. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 02:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
:To save on space (tall images are the BANE of the wiki), I placed the smaller images (such as the alt mode) over part of the large images in a picture, such as [[:Image:G1Bomb-Burst_MTMTE1.jpg|what I did for Bomb Burst]]. Of course, I also mostly did it so the uploaded pics would look similar to the original Pretender boxart arrangement (shell behind, robot in the middle, vehicle in the foreground).
:Little Iron's Soundwave looks GREAT, btw. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

== 'Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen' countdown ==
There's 381 days (as of June 9th, 2008) until 'TF2:ROTF' comes out and already there's a countdown box? I know it's too late to remove it, but don't you think it's a ''little'' too soon to put one up? It's like this one 'Garfield' comic strip that was printed on December 26th with Garfield shutting off his alarm clock and declaring "365 days until Christmas!". Well, atleast the box isn't counting down the hours, minutes, and seconds. -[[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 12:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
:I started counting down the days in my head as soon as I learned the release date. I think it's all in good fun, no reason to remove it. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 01:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Since no one said anything... ==

The last discussion of a 'goals' list for the month... somewhere... petered out, so I just threw some on the front page. (Mostly nonexistant wanted articles.) They have a 'star' rating to show how complete they are which you can easily edit. Hopefully we can get these to 5 stars by the end of June! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:Stubbed two of them already, hopefully with enough info that people can pick up easily.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 04:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

:As I said above -
:About the list of "ways to help"... thing is, those up-front lists should be geared toward attracting new editors -- new editors who by definition aren't going to know all the million little persnickety formatting things you have to know to set up a new page. Stuff like "fill in a stub" or "add storylinks" is a lot less intimidating, and a lot easier to slide into, than "here, make this page from scratch." I think an expanded list, akin to what's on my sample sandbox, should be near the top of the page, rather than a bunch of red links. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
::I would be for that. I wanted a lost of articles that needed to be brought to completion that were already clocked in. I just didn't know which to pick! Sub some out!
::I just-- I like the list because it gives a visible sense of progress (at the end of the month) on articles that no one would be inclined to work on on their own. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:59, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Talk:Shockwave (Animated)

2008-06-10T19:08:06Z

82.17.140.55: /* Shockwave release */

==Locked==
So, how long is the lock out going to last? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 17:46, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:I'd guess, until Autoboot Camp airs in the States. --[[User:Professor Icepick|Professor Icepick]] 17:50, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::Seems to be the trend. I can agree with it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:31, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

==I have the Picture==
[[Image:TFA Shockwave.jpg|thumb|250px|left|Shockwave as he appears in [[Transformers Animated]]]]

Please unlock the Shockwave article. [[User:Mr. Serious|Mr. Serious]] 15:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:Uh, that's not from Autoboot Camp is it?[[User:GWolfv2]] 16.53 June 5th 2008

It seems to be, I recognise that pose. We could use it until a whole body image or some toy images are released, although one of him transforming from Longarm Prime to Shockwave would be good too (Shotgun on the Autbot counterpart gag). [[User:Metal Gear NOIZE|Metal Gear NOIZE]] 15:58, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:Couldn't we put the picture lower on the article and put the "Does Prime Die?" spoiler warning at the top. That way people who haven't seen [[Autoboot Camp]] don't get the spoiler like some people who have seen it. Just an idea.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 16:07, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
::The picture should go in the same place as always, because there's nothing remotely spoilery about it. Shockwave is on a viewscreen. Could mean anything. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 16:34, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
::Actually, since this is about to be deleted, we don't have to do anything. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 17:22, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Now I changed the name of the image. [[User:Mr. Serious|Mr. Serious]] 19:14, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:It doesn't work that way. You have to reupload the image to change the name. Try something like Animated Shockwave or TFA Autoboot Camp Shockwave. Something that defines the what continuity the subject is in. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 19:55, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I now named it TFA Shockwave. [[User:Mr. Serious|Mr. Serious]] 16:31, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but this episode is gonna air in the US this week ain't it? Or is it S.U.V. that's gonna air this week? I don't know for sure because I don't get Cartoon Network and have been watching them on YouTube a week at a time.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 03:41, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
:Autoboot Camp is this week's Moose episode. The US gets SUV this week. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:43, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::Okay, guess I was wrong. So I'm a few weeks ahead of the rest of the nation. But I will not go past Black Friday (which I'll probably end up watching Sunday after work).--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 03:55, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

== Shockwave? Where are you? ==

I try to avoid Youtube and the sort so i haven't seen the episode, but I can't help but look up characters. This being said, why does the "little red autobot" have a picture and Shockwave doesn't?

EDIT: Sorry for not signing, and I just realized that it's locked... [[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 19:26, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

==Logic suggests merger==

Now that its shown in Canaidia, can we go ahead and merge this with Longarm's article?[[User:GWolfv2]] 22.46 June 7th
:I believe we said, at least in one place, that we were going to try to keep the character pages spoiler free (or at least marked as spoilers int he fiction section) until the episode airs in the US in another week. Since a redirect is ''inherently'' a spoiler (anyone clicking on it to read the general bio of Shockwave or Longarm-- but stopping before the section marked as spoilers, would be spoiled just by the act of clicking.)
:The decision on the date may have changed- there was a lot of back and forth on it- but 'when it airs int he US' was what I remember last. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:05, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::That being said, can we at least unlock the page to allow registered users to work on it? We have an image now, and the guy who uploaded it deserves a chance to place it on with a caption of his choice. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 23:17, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
:If I knew when it happened, I would suggest merging them when the Autobots find out that he's playing both sides. But with Animated having a Starscream whose betrayal is secretive and covert, Shockwave's role as a backstabbing spy may actually go undetected, with no dramatic reveal to his Autobot patsies just to go "Mwa Ha Ha, I am evil the whole time!".--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 01:45, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
::God knows I object to TFRocks' approach of making the reveal in the first paragraph of the fiction section.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:31, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm also holding off on posting the double agents category, as nobody wants to get spoiled just by browsing a category.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:11, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

== Toy? ==

Is there any news on a toy for Shockwave yet, and if so, does it (commented out to avoid spoilers, I guess)[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 22:02, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

== Shockwave release ==

Here's hoping they release a a triplchanger for him, one mode tank, one mode crane and two robot settings - Longarm Scuba Mask and Shockwave Cyclops... Well, I hope that's how it comes out! - [[User:Shockwave Prime]]

==New stuff coming==
I realised he was not the only autobot and decepticon shape shifter and he is also a double Agent, How come it wasn't in the article. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 19:08, 10 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Rise of the Constructicons

2008-05-19T18:41:24Z

82.17.140.55: /* Animation errors */

[[Image:RiseoftheConstructicons-Titlecap.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Come my minions, rise for your [[Megatron (Animated)|Master]]! Let your evil shine!]]

{{episodenav|animated|22|season=2|prev=Velocity|next=A Fistful of Energon}}

'''Bulkhead befriends a pair of construction vehicles brought to life by AllSpark energy. But the Decepticons have their scanners set on the duo for their latest construction project. '''

==Summary==
The Autobots once again must aid in the restoration of the increasingly disaster-prone city of [[Detroit]]. There is an odd amount of balking, considering they're a [[space bridge]] repair crew, but Optimus Prime reminds them that a fair amount of the destruction is indeed their fault. These musings are cut short by Bumblebee spotting the ''other'' party to Detroit's deterioration, the Decepticons. Blitzwing and Lugnut are scurrying by in a most undignified manner, carrying construction supplies for Megatron. A combined effort by Bumblebee and Ratchet manages to knock the two Decepticons skidplate-over-processing unit, but they still manage to flee with a much smaller portion of the supplies. The Autobots are prevented from giving chase by the cracking of a bridge support, which they then repair. At the end of the day, the Autobots are ready to head home. Bulkhead tells Optimus Prime he'll catch up, to mask the fact that he's accidentally adhered his feet to the ground with cement.

[[Image:RiseoftheConstructicons-Gen2HomageVehicleModes.jpg|thumb|175px|left|Whoa! Some fanboys is sleepin' easy tonight.]]
Meanwhile, across town, two construction vehicles are seen with [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] fragments embedded in them. The two fragments activate, and the machines gain sentience. After a brief debate over naming, they discover their new ability to turn into giant robots. This does not faze them in the slightest, and soon they chase off after a highly attractive sports car.

Thanks to the use of expired fixative, Bulkhead's attempts at mixing more cement prove explosive, knocking him out and nearly getting him skewered by iron girders. Thankfully, the newly minted Constructobots spot this and save his skidplate. They then help the lumbering Autobot to do the job ''right'' (making sure he doesn't leave the fixative lying around, either) and then take him off to a tanker for an oil break. Though Bulkhead is quite pleased with the oil he is served, he soon voices misgivings as to whether they ought to be doing this. Asked by the Constructobots whether he's going to act like a little yellow compact, he remembers his friends back at the base and invites his new acquaintances back to meet them.

[[Image:Rise Constructicons Sari no pigtails.jpg|thumb|right|175px|Relax, Sari, they'll have grown back by next week's episode.]]
At the base, the Autobots are not impressed with the crass pair. Loudly carousing to the point that even Ratchet thinks they're a bit rude, they soon wake up Sari. Wondering what all the commotion is, the poor girl gets her pigtails amputated by a game of smashed-oil-barrel frisbee. This is the last straw for Optimus Prime, who kicks the two paisanos out on their kiesters.

The next day, Blitzwing and Lugnut are once again hauling heavy construction materials, this time Laurel and Hardy style up a steep hill. Blitzwing's footing slips, and he is nearly offlined by the heavy trailer that sends him careening towards a wall. Bracing for an impact that never comes, he is startled to find Mixmaster and Scrapper have saved him. Immediately, he asks them who and ''what'' they are. At first, the jovial pair answer that they are Autobots, but as this met with some static, they quickly amend it to ''Constructobots''. Blitzwing sees an opportunity in the pair's brawn, and as police sirens approach, he convinces them to help haul the load. Lugnut objects, worried about Megatron's reaction. Blitzwing reassures, ''sotto voce'', that they will offline the two goombahs immediately after the work is done. Lugnut is all for this plan, and once the goods are delivered, he charges up his signature punch while Blitzwing distracts the pair. However, Megatron arrives and gives Lugnut an awful case of ''punchus interruptus''.

Megatron invites the Constructobots into the Decepticon inner sanctum, which they would find to be quite commodious if they knew the meaning of the word. Once there, they express how cute [[Isaac Sumdac|Megatron's pet]] is, and the interstellar warlord shows them the schematics he stole from the Autobots' ship for the building of a space bridge. His hunch turns out to be correct when he finds that the Constructobots display an intuitive knack for grasping construction projects, and they tell him that the supplies he's been gathering will be insufficient to the task. Megatron grins as they reveal to him that they know exactly what is needed and where to get it.

The following morning, Bulkhead goes looking for his wayward friends. He finds them, pursued by [[Sumdac Systems]] police robots after a daring heist of construction supplies. Stepping in and generally making a mess of the pursuers, he asks Mixmaster and Scrapper what they're up to. After being told that they stole these materials, he becomes irate because he thought they were so helpful before. They tell him they still are, they're just helping ''other'' bots. Becoming suspicious, Bulkhead presses them further and finds out they're working for Blitzwing and Lugnut. The large Autobot tries to convince them that the Decepticons are bad news, but is less than effective. The Constructobots think the Decepticons are just regular fellas and that Megatron is a laugh riot. Bulkhead grows still angrier, saying that Megatron is the worst of the bunch and was only tricking them. This finally clicks in their heads, and they drop what they're doing{{m-}}on Bulkhead{{m-}}and tear off down the road to take up their grievances with Megatron. Covered in girders, Bulkhead is unable to pursue.

[[Image:Rise Constructicons Megatron what.jpg|thumb|left|175px|I'm not a heartless mass murderer. I give all my victims their choice of execution method.]]
Upon discovering the Constructobots pounding on the steel door of the mine, Megatron is a bit less genial in tolerating their antics. Picking them up by their collars, he slams them against the mountainside and demands to know what they're doing. They explain that they want a piece of him because Bulkhead told them that Decepticons are the scum of the universe and that he'd tricked them. Megatron softens his demeanor and tells a tragic tale of Autobot oppression and the Decepticons being driven from their homeworld by these cruel tyrants. The Constructobots only understand about every third word of what he says, so he submits it would be a little easier to understand over a barrel of oil. Once inside, Mixmaster and Scrapper are quite impressed by the potency of the oil they're offered, which Megatron reveals to be his "special blend". Suitably placated, they listen to his pitch in which he stresses that as Constructobots, they can spend their lives fixing highway bridges, but as Constructi''cons'', they can build ''space bridges'' and be the heroes of millions of Cybertronians.

[[Image:RiseoftheConstructicons-Megatron%27sprivateblend.jpg|thumb|right|200px| So tell me, fellas, Orlando Bloom or Johnny Depp?]]

Back at the auto assembly plant, Bulkhead is relaying his latest encounter with the Constructobots to his fellow Autobots. This doesn't go over well, so he attempts to convince Optimus Prime that his friends were actually ''angry'' at the Decepticons and that there's nothing to worry about, as afterwards they can lead the Autobots to the Decepticon base. Ratchet, however, worries that they'll do the exact opposite. Right on cue, Scrapper and Mixmaster arrive. Bulkhead is initially hopeful, as they are still his friends. The two bots agree with him, but business is business, and Megatron has better oil. Thus they say that they won't fight anyone, so long as they can pick up the fragments of the AllSpark and be on their way. Optimus Prime objects, and the Constructicons announce that they're sick and tired of the little dipstick and knock him over. A fight ensues, in which the industrial chassis of the Constructicons prove fairly impervious to most of what the Autobots can dish out. Bumblebee is taken hostage and ransomed for the AllSpark fragments. Optimus attempts to stall, but Bulkhead hands them over. As all the Autobots look on in disbelief, he encourages his old friends to have "one for the road." They partake in the offered oil and depart.

The Autobots give chase, berating Bulkhead for trusting them. The large Autobot, however, states simply that the Constructicons aren't going ''anywhere''. His plan is revealed as Mixmaster and Scrapper start to slow down, emitting smoke and having increasing trouble running. Soon, there is an explosion, and the AllSpark fragments' container lands at Bulkhead's feet. He had tainted the oil with the expired chemicals from his earlier botched repair job. Bulkhead confronts his former friends, but the blast has scrambled their memory. Confused and frightened, they haul tail out of there. The not-so-gentle giant is disappointed, but Optimus reminds him that even if they've lost their memories, they still have a choice not to serve Megatron.

==Stats==

*'''Written by:''' [[Stan Berkowitz]]
*'''Directed by:''' [[Ben Jones]], [[Irineo Maramba]], & [[Shunji Oga]]
*'''Original airdate:''' May 17, 2008

===Featured characters===

(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)''
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"

! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human]]s
! style="background:#FFEEB8" | Others
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (5)
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (4)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (3)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (2)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (1)

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |
*[[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] (7)
*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (11)
*[[Lugnut]] (6)

| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |
*[[Sari Sumdac]] (10)
*[[Isaac Sumdac]] (12)

| style="background:#FFEEB8" valign="top" |
*[[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]] (8)
*[[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]] (9)
|}

==Quotes==
'''Hothead Blitzwing''': I WILL POUND THEM INTO SHEET METAL! 
''[changes into Random Blitzwing and finds a plate of sheet metal] 
'''Random Blitwing''': Oooh! Oh, wait! We've already got some! 
:{{m-}}Ah, good ol' Blitzwing.

''[Scrapper bangs his shovel into Mixmaster]'' 
'''Mixmaster''': Hey, watch where you're pointing that thing, shovel-head! 
'''Scrapper''': Who you calling "shovel-head", cement-breath?! 
'''Mixmaster''': My name ain't "cement-breath", okay? It's...it's...uh... 
'''Scrapper''': Your little name tag says "Mixmaster". 
'''Mixmaster''': Nah, that's too long. Just call me "Mix". 
'''Scrapper''': All right, you got it, Mix. And you can call me... 
''[Sees a sign that says "SCRAP"] 
'''Scrapper''': ...Scrap. 
'''Mixmaster''': All right, that's too short. How 'bout "Scrapper"? 
'''Scrapper''': I like it. 
:{{m-}}The Constructicons come to life and name themselves. They had an easier time than [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Wreck-Gar]].

"Where did Bulkhead find these two?" 
"I've got a feeling it wasn't charm school". 
:{{m-}}Colour '''Prowl''' and '''Ratchet''' unimpressed.

"Hey, those don't grow back overnight!"
:{{m-}}'''Sari''' gets her pigtails{{m-}}and nearly her head{{m-}}sliced off by Bulkhead with the oil-barrel frisbee in the factory. Bet they're back by the next episode...

''[Blitzwing and Lugnut are pushing heavy supplies up a hill]'' 
'''Icy Blitzwing''': Ever notice zat whenever zere's hard work, Megatron's not around? 
'''Lugnut''': Bite your speech synthesizer! Megatron will take us to new heights of glory! 
''[Blitzwing is nearly crushed under the supplies he is carrying when Mixmaster saves him]'' 
'''Mixmaster''': You okay, bro? 
'''Hothead Blitzwing''': DO I LOOK OKAY?! 
'''Random Blitzwing''': Or do these wing struts make me look fat? 
:{{m-}}Blitzwing focuses on the important stuff.

''[Lugnut charges his "power punch" and sneaks up behind the Constructicons] 
'''Megatron''': "Wait." 
''[Lugnut loses his balance and stumbles into the mine, causing his punch to backfire on him] 
'''Lugnut''': "I'm OK..." 
:{{m-}}Ah, good ol' Lugnut.

'''Mixmaster''': "You tricked us! You Decepticons are the scum o' the universe!" 
'''Megatron''': "...Whaaat? Who told you that?" 
'''Scrapper''': "Our friend Bulkhead." 
'''Megatron''': "And you believed him?" 
'''Mixmaster''': "Well, sure, he's our friend." 
'''Megatron''': "And did your friend tell you how his Autobot kind have oppressed us? Driven us from our rightful home? Oh, they may come across as complete imbeciles, but Autobots are cunning, ruthless, unforgiving." 
'''Mixmaster''': "Okay, like, this is too confusin' for me." 
'''Megatron''': "Then why don't I explain everything over a few barrels of oil?" 
'''Mixmaster''' and '''Scrapper''': ''[faces light up]'' "Oil?!"
:{{m-}}Seduction of the stupid.

"The Autobots' oil tastes like ''water'' next to this stuff!" 
"It's my private blend."
:{{m-}}'''Mixmaster''' discovers that '''Megatron'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s an oil connoisseur.

'''Bulkhead''': But...I thought we were friends. 
'''Mixmaster''': We are friends, Bulky, that's why we ain't gonna hurt you, okay? Long as you hand over whatever bits you got of the...th-...what did he call it again? 
'''Scrapper''': Uh, SparkAll? AllSpark, AllSpark. 
'''Optimus''': Over my offline body! 
'''Mixmaster''': Aghh{{m-}}you know what? I have had ''enough'' of this dipstick-in-the-mud! 
''[Mixmaster shoves Prime back]'' 
'''Bumblebee''': Hey! He's ''our'' dipstick! 
'''Ratchet''': And nobody pushes him around! 
:{{m-}}The Autobots defend the honor of their [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]...and fail miserably.

==Other notes==

===Animation errors===
[[Image:Bumblebeeanimatedconsigil.JPG|thumb| [[Goldbug (Shattered Glass)|Who's bad?]]]]
* When Ratchet tells Bumblebee to "vamoose" (around 1:30), Bumblebee has a red Decepticon insignia. The same thing happened in Transformers G1.
* When Bulkhead is jumping at the idea of Mix and Scrapper meeting the Autobots, Scrapper's left arm clips through his body, then the forearm briefly vanishes before his arm reappears in the correct place.
* While Blitzwing is shown pushing the heavy load of construction equipment from a side profile, the animation is missing a line that separates his inner thigh from his crotch.
* As Megatron explains the Autobots' "cunning" to Mixmaster and Scrapper, the white outline around his insignia is not complete (either that or it's part of a shadow).
* After the Constructicons flee, the road Bulkhead smashed up is in perfect condition.

===Transformers references===

*Megatron corrupting the Constructicons may also be a nod to the Generation 1 series, in which he did the same thing in "[[The Secret of Omega Supreme]]". Except, instead of using the [[Robo-Smasher]], this time he gets them [[Microbots|robo-smashed]]...

* The two surveyors on top of the bridge are decked out in blue jeans, white shirts, tan jackets and yellow hard hats and boots, just like a disproportionate amount of humans from the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|Generation 1 cartoon]].

* A construction crane which appears in a few scenes early in the episode is colored in the traditional Constructicon green-and-purple. Purple and green excavation vehicles were previously seen in "[[Nature Calls]]", and yet the ''Animated'' Constructicons themselves are yellow and grey, which ''might'' be an homage to the ''Generation 2'' Constructicon toys.

*Scapper and Mixmaster hit on a little red sports car. [[Side Burn (RID)|Sound familiar?]]

===Real-world references===
* The Constructicons often hit on cars (which could be the equivalent for them to female 'bots...[[Tracks|or something]]), just like real cartoon construction workers with passing women.
* The Constructicons beep as they back up.
* The whole plot seems to be pretty thoroughly cribbed from every after-school special on the dangers of peer pressure ever...except with giant robots, attempted murder, extortion, and a plot to overthrow one interstellar empire and reestablish another.
* While the "working-class" Constructicons drink their oil out of "[[Wikipedia:Pint glass|pint glasses]]" or straight out of the can/barrel, the "upper-class" Megatron prefers to twist his barrels into "[[Wikipedia:Goblet|goblets]]".

===Miscellaneous trivia===
* This episode first aired in Dubai, around two weeks before its English-language broadcast premiere in Canada.
* It seems that in the Animated-verse, yellow eyes represent the neutral position. Good to know if there is a Switzerland equivalent on Cybertron.
* The Constructicons first start off as Constructobots, a portmanteau of construction and Autobot, but later Megatron gives them a new name, formed from construction and Decepticon instead.
* Even assuming the Constructicons don't drink anything off-screen, they still consume what looks like half their weight in oil over the course of the episode. Where does it go?
* On second thought, [[Humanizing#Urination|don't think about it]].
* Bumblebee receives a [[stock footage|detailed transformation sequence]] for his stingers...which becomes extremely anticlimactic when his attacks just bounce off Lugnut seconds later.

[[Category:Animated episodes]]<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Garbage In, Garbage Out

2008-05-19T15:35:13Z

82.17.140.55: /* Transformers references */

[[Image:Wreck-Gar-Ani.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Good luck understanding that which baffled [[Servo]]...]]

{{episodenav|animated|20|season=2|prev=Mission Accomplished|next=Velocity}}

'''AllSpark energy turns a junk pile into a sentient robot who tries to help the Autobots, but ends up doing more harm than good.'''

==Summary==
Garbage is piling up all over [[Detroit]], as the trash-bots are malfunctioning and [[Sumdac Systems]] CEO Porter C. Powell refuses to repair them until the city and he can come to an agreement on payment. In Powell's office, a technician demonstrates a new form of the nanobots that [[Transform and Roll Out|caused big problems a while back]], designed this time to break down garbage into its component molecules, quickly and cheaply solving the garbage problem (while allowing Powell to charge the city a hefty fee).

Elsewhere, the [[Autobot]]s are trying to patch up their still-damaged reputation by helping pile garbage into scows. Ratchet ends up getting into a shouting match with an old man whose car ended up under a garbage mound, resulting in the car being dumped in the river and the two old grouches almost coming to blows. Captain Fanzone arrives to break up the scene and remarks that Ratchet needs to work on his "people skills". Prime agrees and assigns Bumblebee and Sari to try and help out Ratchet while they work more on the garbage problem. Ratchet is not happy with this.

Just before the Autobots depart, though, [[Sari Sumdac's key|Sari's key]] glows, but she quickly disregards this, and so she misses the emergence of a junk-robot from the scow, brought to life by an [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] shard. The confused machine tries to figure out his identity using the scraps around him, but is unsatisfied with the results. Spying a passing blimp with a sign for the Detroit police department with the slogan "We're Here to Help", the robot happily goes about trying to find some police for some help with his identity.

At the Decepticon base, Lugnut detects a surge in AllSpark energy, and Megatron concludes that another fragment must have turned up. Megatron orders Lugnut to retrieve it, and Lugnut continues his glory-spouting as he leaves. Megatron's optical sensor begins to twitch noticeably.

Stuck in a traffic jam, Ratchet is about to display some serious road rage when Bumblebee puts on his siren and clears a path for them. Heading through, they a find [[Witwicky|a familiar couple]] who are expecting a child, but their car has broken down on the way to the hospital. Ratchet agrees to take them to the hospital, then jets off at high speed, despite Sari's warning to keep the mother calm.

Meanwhile, the new robot is walking through downtown Detroit, nearly causing several accidents. The police, pursuing the Angry Archer, crash into the robot, who subsequently asks them for help. Archer tells the robot to throw them aside so that they can escape, and the robot agrees. When Archer inquires as to his identity, the robot responds that he is "worthless-wreck-walking-pile-of-garbage," (all things he had been called by citizens who nearly slammed into him) so the Archer dubs him Wreck-Gar for short. He tries to explain that they steal from the rich and give to the poor (themselves), but Wreck-Gar gets the Archer's words confused. Seeing a passing armored car, Archer tells Wreck-Gar that they must "knock it over", so Wreck-Gar proceeds to chase the armored car and do just that.

[[Image:New Spike and Carly.JPG|thumb|left|200px|Oh ''shit'', what are we gonna do now?!]]

Meanwhile, expecting mother Carly asks her husband, Spike, to ask the driver to slow down, only for Spike to learn that there is only a little girl in the car{{m-}}and no driver! Ratchet tells them to keep quiet as he tries to find a hospital, only for the armored car knocked over by Wreck-Gar to land in his way. Jettisoning the humans, Ratchet and Bumblebee try to stop Wreck-Gar, but before they can do anything, the Angry Archer snags and flees with a canister that was in the armored car. Sari points out that Autobots are supposed to catch the bad guys, and Wreck-Gar assumes that he is an Autobot, slaps on an [[Insignia|Autobrand]], and goes after the Archer. Bumblebee and Sari go after him, while Ratchet offers to drive Spike and Carly to the hospital. They say they'll take a cab, leaving Ratchet miffed at their rudeness.

Outrunning the swinging Archer, Wreck-Gar hurls him into the air so he can "catch" him, allowing the Angry Archer to escape, but the canister falls into Wreck-Gar's backpack. As the Autobots and Sari show up, her key starts to glow, and they realize that Wreck-Gar was created by an AllSpark fragment. Ratchet rudely tells Wreck-Gar that he is not an Autobot and is only good for one thing: GARBAGE! Wreck-Gar therefore [[Transformation|transforms]] into his garbage truck vehicle mode and leaves to deliver garbage to the people of Detroit{{m-}}starting by covering Sari and the Autobots in a pile of it.

[[Image:GarbageInGarbageOut-Wreck-GarandLugnutwithaxe.jpg|thumb|left|200px| It's no [[Star Saber (Armada)|Star Saber]] but it'll do.]]

[[Image:Wreckgarbutton.jpg|thumb|right|100px|High-five!]]

Meanwhile, Lugnut has reached the city, and he confronts Wreck-Gar at the military base he and [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] previously visited. Lugnut demands the AllSpark fragment from the vehicle's driver, but Wreck-Gar transforms, revealing his robotic nature. When Wreck-Gar repeats Ratchet's statement that he's no Autobot, Lugnut concludes that Wreck-Gar is a loyal Decepticon, so Wreck-Gar slaps on a Decepticon symbol.

Back at the crime scene, Ratchet is removing the driver of the armored car when Powell and Fanzone show up. Powell reveals that the car was carrying the garbage-devouring microbots to a demonstration for Mayor Edsel. However, the canister carrying them is gone. Sari is more than willing to let Powell suffer, but Ratchet is concerned about what the microbots might do if infused with AllSpark energy. Tracking Wreck-Gar to the base, Ratchet demands the Microbots, only for Lugnut to transform and activate his bomb punch. Wreck-Gar interprets this as the [[universal greeting]], and gives Lugnut a high five. Sari and the Autobots barely manage to avoid ground zero. As Lugnut transforms to attack, Wreck-Gar takes out the canister, which has cracked, allowing some of the microbots to touch Lugnut. Crying out in pain, Lugnut commands Wreck-Gar to get them off, so Wreck-Gar dissects Lugnut, causing his tail end, still carrying Wreck-Gar, to crash onto a garbage scow. Bumblebee declares their problems over, but Ratchet is worried. If those microbots could eat through Decepticon [[armor-plating]], there's no telling what they'll do to downtown Detroit.

On the river bank, Powell arrives to cancel the presentation with the mayor, only for the group to see the microbots eat the garbage on the scow. Powell quickly takes advantage of the situation to start wheeling and dealing. As the scow gets closer, Ratchet jumps from a nearby bridge to stop it. He tries to reason with Wreck-Gar, but everything fails, forcing Ratchet to make the ultimate sacrifice...and apologize. He tells Wreck-Gar he can be whatever he wants, and Wreck-Gar decides to save the city, vacuuming up the microbots. However, the microbots overload Wreck-Gar's backpack, causing him to fall into the river. Ratchet tries to pull him out with his magnets, but only finds junk. As Bumblebee and Sari declare Ratchet a hero, Powell cries foul, saying that Ratchet destroyed his product. Thus there is no deal with the city, and the garbage dispute will continue. Ratchet picks up Powell, the Mayor, and the Mayor's aide, and tells them to make peace or be thrown into the river. Powell and Edsel agree to a small increase to re-service the garbage bots, ending the dispute. Ratchet decides the cheering bystanders are lauding him, leading him to conclude that he does have people skills. Sari and Bumblebee know differently, however.

Meanwhile, at the bottom of the river, Wreck-Gar, buried shoulder-deep in sediment, assures the sea life that he is a hero and is there to help. First, however, he needs a hand. Or a fin. [[Lost and Found (Animated episode)#Quotes|Maybe a pelvis?]]

==Stats==

*'''Written by:''' [[Marty Isenberg]]
*'''Directed by:''' [[Ben Jones]] & [[Shunji Oga]]
*'''Original airdate:''' May 3, 2008

===Featured characters===

(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)''
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"

! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human]]s
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (2)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (3)
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (4)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (5)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (7)
*[[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Wreck-Gar]] (9)
| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |
*[[Lugnut]] (10)
*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (11)
| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |
*[[Porter C. Powell]] (1)
*[[Sari Sumdac]] (6)
*[[Captain Fanzone]] (8)
*[[Spike (Animated)|Spike]] (12)
*[[Carly (Animated)|Carly]] (13)
*[[Angry Archer]] (14)
*[[Mayor Edsel]] (15)
|}

==Quotes==

"You, quit harassing the Autobot. You, put down the citizen."
:{{m-}}'''Fanzone''' keeps the peace.

"Ahh, I'm picking up a new AllSpark energy signal, my liege..." 
"No doubt another fragment has surfaced. Retrieve it, Lugnut, before the Autobots get their filthy servos on it." 
"Stasis lock itself could not deter me from your grand and glorious plan, oh wise and noble Megatron!" 
''[left optic twitches]'' "Just...go..." 
"Yes, my liege!" 
:{{m-}}'''Lugnut's''' blind worship of his <s>queen</s> commander can get too much even for '''Megatron''' sometimes.

"I don't suppose you can tell me what I am, funny green man?" 
"You are...my partner-in-crime. They call me Angry Archer!" 
"They call me 'worthless-wreck-walking-pile-of-garbage'!" 
"Oh, really? Bit of a mouthful. Perhaps we should just call you 'Wreck-Gar' for short." 
:{{m-}}'''Angry Archer''', Renaissance Man, does some on-the-spot dubbing.

"I am Wreck-Gar!"
:{{m-}}The opening to pretty much everything '''Wreck-Gar''' says from the moment he gets his name.

''[Sari, Spike, and a very pregnant Carly are almost crushed by an axle carelessly discarded by Ratchet]'' 
"Uh, I don't know much about these things, lady, but I think you're s'posed to breathe or somethin'?"
:{{m-}}'''Sari''' the midwife.

''[after Bumblebee and Sari dash off after Wreck-Gar]'' 
'''Ratchet''': You still want that ride, or what? 
'''Spike and Carly''': WE'LL CALL A CAB!! ''they run away'' 
'''Ratchet''': Hmph! Not even a "thank you". And they call ''me'' rude. 
:{{m-}}'''The Witwickies''' make an executive decision while '''Ratchet''' bemoans his lot in life.

'''Bumblebee''': ''[at Wreck-Gar]'' "What are you?" ''[To Sari]'' "What is he?" 
'''Sari''': "I don't know, but he's givin' off a ton of AllSpark energy." 
'''Wreck-Gar:''' "I am Wreck-Gar! I give off a ton of AllSpark energy!" 
'''Bumblebee''': "So, what, an AllSpark fragment just brought a junk pile to life and made some new kind of Autobot?!" 
'''Wreck-Gar''': "I am Wreck-Gar! I am some new kind of Autobot?!" 
'''Ratchet''': "Listen up, scrapheap. You're not an Autobot, and you never will be an Autobot. You're only good for one thing: GARBAGE!" 
'''Wreck-Gar''': "I am Wreck-Gar! I am only good for one thing: GARBAGE! I must deliver garbage to all!" ''[transforms and rolls out]''
:{{m-}} Ratchet's lack of people skills backfires again.

'''Lugnut''': Human! The AllSpark fragment{{m-}}now! 
'''Wreck-Gar''': No human here. I am Wreck-Gar! I am only good for one thing: ''GARBAGE''! 
'''Lugnut''': Are you an Autobot? 
'''Wreck-Gar''': I am Wreck-Gar! I am not an Autobot and never will be an Autobot! 
'''Lugnut''': Ah! Then you must be a Decepticon! 
'''Wreck-Gar''': I am Wreck-Gar! I...must be a Decepticon! 
''[Wreck-Gar places a Decepticon badge on his chest]'' 
'''Lugnut''': Aah, ALL HAIL MEGATRON! 
'''Wreck-Gar''': All hail Megatron! Uh...w-what's a 'Megatron'? 
:{{m-}} Wreck-Gar makes a new friend.

'''Lugnut''': Those accursed Autobots will pay for their insolence! 
'''Wreck-Gar''': Right! ''[Wreck-Gar pulls a burnt-out cash register]'' Cash, check or charbroil? 
'''Lugnut''': ''[Knocking the register out of Wreck-Gar's hands]'' ATTACK! 
'''Wreck-Gar''': Right! What kind of tack would you like? Thumb tack? Carpet tack? Income tack? 
'''Lugnut''': Rhaaah, nevermind. 
:{{m-}} Wreck-Gar can certainly teach Crazy Blitzwing a thing or two about being bonkers.

"You glitch-head! You're gonna destroy the whole city! You wouldn't dare do something THAT stupid!" 
"I am Wreck-Gar! I ''dare'' to be stupid! I will destroy the whole city!"
:{{m-}} '''Ratchet''' and '''Wreck-Gar'''. Yes, but does he count his chickens before they hatch?

''[after '''Mayor Edsel''' and '''Porter C. Powell''' shake hands on the new sanitation contract, the attending crowd cheers]'' 
'''Ratchet''': Well, whaddaya know. They like me. They really like me! Guess I gotta way with words. 
:{{m-}} '''Ratchet''', discovering what we've known all along. '''Sari''' and '''Bumblebee''', however, would like to disagree.

"Fear not, fellow creatures of the deep, I am Wreck-Gar! I am a hero! Um...e-excuse me, c-could someone give me a hand...or-...or a fin...anyone?"
:{{m-}}'''Wreck-Gar''' begins a new life under the sea.

==Other notes==
* This episode was first shown on Friday, April 25th, at [[BotCon 2008]]. The version aired still had the time-code running in the top-left corner.

===Animation errors===
*In one scene where Ratchet crosses his arms, he gains a second war wound on his right arm.

===Continuity errors===
* When removing trash into a boat, Optimus transforms, and suddenly his trailer evaporates, together with all the trash on it.

* Why doesn't Sari or Ratchet react to the key when it starts to glow, indicating the presence of AllSpark energy?

* Sari uses her key to help track down Wreck-Gar... Seems rather unnecessary, considering the noticeable trail of garbage he left behind.

*Wreck-Gar appears to have access to Hammerspace.

*The once cylindrical trash-bots now appear somewhat rectangular.

===Transformers references===
[[Image:Beemeatcycle.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Most fanwanky episode ever?]]
* The blimp has a picture of a police car which resembles the alternate form of [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] from the Transformers movie
* Wreck-Gar interprets Lugnut's incoming rocket punch as an invitation to a high-five, and he happily delivers the [[universal greeting]].
* Wreck-Gar's shifting allegiance and red optics as he faces down Ratchet on the garbage scow appear to be callbacks to the [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|original Wreck-Gar]], who at first appeared to be an enemy to the Autobots in his movie appearance, complete with red optics, and was even marketed as such in television [[commercial]]s.

* The ''Animated'' incarnations of Spike and Carly, who made a cameo in [[Transform and Roll Out!|the pilot episode]], re-appear with speaking lines and even get their names called out. Corey Burton even reprises his post-[[The Transformers: The Movie|Movie]] voice for the adult [[Spike Witwicky]].

* Generation 1 Wreck-Gar's motorcycle alt mode can be spotted amongst the garbage that Wreck-Gar throws at Bumblebee.

===Real-world references===
* Wreck-Gar's "I ''dare'' to be stupid!" is, of course, a reference to one of [["Weird Al" Yankovic]]'s most well-known songs, "Dare to be Stupid", a Devo "style parody" that appeared on the soundtrack to [[The Transformers: The Movie|the original animated movie]] in the scene with the original Wreck-Gar.

* While driving Spike and Carly to the hospital, Ratchet drives past the Wyatt Toys toy store, a reference to Art Director [[Derrick Wyatt]] previously seen in "[[Sound and Fury]]".

* The line "You like me, you really like me!" refers to Sally Field's Oscar acceptance speech in 1985.

===Miscellaneous trivia===
* Even Megatron gets annoyed by Lugnut's constant worshiping. [[Inferno (BW)|Sound familiar]]?

* The mayor still doesn't talk, letting his aide speak for him instead.

* Aside from Wreck-Gar, Weird Al also voiced the Sumdac Systems technician who explains the new version of the nanobots to Porter C. Powell.

* This is the first time we see Lugnut use his mace/axe weapon. It is awesome. It gets eaten by microbots.

* Given that Carly is about to give birth when she seemed to have a wafer-thin profile in [[Transform and Roll Out!|the pilot]], the Autobots seem to have spent at least six months or so in Detroit.

* This episode sees the return of the human newscaster.

* Bulkhead appears, but has no lines. Blitzwing and Isaac Sumdac are also absent.

* One of the two policemen Wreck-Gar picks up resembles Officer Dibble from [[wikipedia:Top Cat|''Top Cat'']].

* This episode is the first to feature Ratchet's full robot-to-vehicle transformation animation sequence.

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User talk:ItsWalky

2008-05-19T06:08:40Z

82.17.140.55: /* Rhinox555 gettin' cranky */

--I'm deeply sorry

[[User talk:ItsWalky/2006|2006 Archives]]

[[User talk:ItsWalky/2007|2007 Archives]]

==Things to say to you==
[[Image:Ttoc.GIF|right|thumb|We approve this message.]]

Just some thing I've been wanting to say to David...

First off, you're a monumental asshole. You have an ego the size of a small planet and it's irritating watching you act like an important SOB when you're basically just a nobody.

Second, your webcomics aren't funny. They're boring tripe that makes Penny Arcade look good(and believe me, Penny Arcade is garbage). Cyanide and Happiness is a funny webcomic, yours is not. Your "jokes" are painful, about like watching Michael Richards yell the n-word as a routine. You don't draw a comic, you draw an opinionated blog. I'm not sure which name suits your crap better, "ShitPacked" or "ShortDicked".

Your liberalism and your love of Indiana get on my nerves. You jab at Mallard Filmore? Yeah, one shitty comic making fun of another shitty comic. Or are you just pissed that his gets in newspapers while you're JUST a webcomic? As to Indiana, I live here, and if it were up to me, the state would be walled off and none of the freaks living there allowed to interact with the rest of the planet. The state is about 3 decades behind the times. But something tells me even you know this otherwise you'd still live here. I sure as hell do not live here by choice and as soon as I can, I'm moving far away from this joke of a state.

And your brand loyalty is typical fandom crap. You have Aaron Archer's rod so far down your throat it's unreal. And Aryan fucktard Michael Bay's rod has apparently joined it. I'd say soemthing abotu Don Murphy but he was born without one. Actually, I can say something- he's Kevin "unfunny asshole" Smith with more body fat. Hasbro didn't give the film to a competent director, just a cheap one. And neither Speilberg or ILM have done anything useful in years. Give WETA, or even Tom Savini a chance and we wouldn't be getting Bionicle bots. You're afraid to not like a Hasbro product. No wonder they don't have to go out of the way to please the "fans"- you'll accept it no matter what. But hey, you personally have been sucking off incompetent British bonehead Simon Furman and his shitty stories for years. There are no gods in Transformers. Unicron was built by a monkey, little man. Furman is dog shit.

And go figure this TF wiki is a joke full of misinformation, insults or outright lies- you're a mod here. You're never right. You're more of an incorrect pompous jerkoff than Defunct is. Right, ban me from editing, as if it would somehow matter, any info you don't agree with is pulled. You only have friends because people feel sorry for you. Me, I have no need. People are a commodity to be used and their wants only get in the way of what I'm out for. Use them and drop them.

Who am I? Go look who added a note about you on Encyclopedia Dramatica's Allspark page if you're not too lazy. As well as past AS, Kalidor, FIRRIB and Hooks entries(the hooks entry especially true). Oh, and just info on white people in general and that idiotic Nintendo Wii. I'm not making it that easy for you.
: Is it my birthday? This stuff ''feeds'' me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
: Duuuuude. Walky may be a dick, but I still ''like'' him for some inexplicable reason. You, on the other hand, are just one sore drama queen.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 17:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: This is some of the most funny stuff I've seen in a while. Comedy PLATINUM. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: Bwa ha ha ha ha. Priceless. I think someone needs to get off the internets for a few minutes. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 02:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: Wait, you mean I didn't get drunk and write this? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 05:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: I wish lame puns happened to me. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 20:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Why do I get the feeling that guy has been permanently banned?[[User:Florky Man|Mr. Florky]] 15:55, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Wow, an Encyclopedia Dramatica troll. No need to be so harsh on Walky. I, too, like the Baybots, and, I happen to like Bionicle. Also, his Webcomic is one of my favorites. So, if you have nothing nice to say, never ever EVER come back here.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 16:22, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

==BANNED==

What the hell did I do to warrant a ban, exactly? As far as I'm aware, I don't even think I broke any rules, and if I did, an official warning would be appropriate. I received no such warning. I was not here for trolling and you know that - you use that bullshit excuse to get people to ignore arguments you can't handle. But you, personally, who made this decision, know I'm not a troll.

This is fucking low. I had little enough respect for you down to your ranting against the fanbase, Willis, but this is a whole new level of buggery. If you're going to use your comic to rant against and discredit people you don't like, the least you can do is suck it up when people rant at you back, and not act like a control-freak child.

I really don't think you're aware of your own actions anymore.
*Do the words [[Wikipedia:WP:NPA|no personal attacks]] mean anything to you? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:18, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
:: Do the words "warning before ban" mean anything to you? Rulemongering doesn't justify a decision anyway, since Walky is one of the people making the rules. There were plenty of personal attacks leveled at me, but I did not report them officially.

::I really find it hard to believe that you think it's completely on a rational level of discourse to claim that the comic strip I draw is about child pornography. If I'm not mistaken about your identity, you've been banned from almost every single Transformers web board you've had an acquaintance with, and I'm only doing this place a favor by getting rid of you. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:22, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

::: That's not an excuse. I will openly admit I HAVE been banned from several forums, but only because I repeatedly opposed the staff on each and every one of them; and with good cause, they all have roughly the same problem. People bully others either into liking the movie or to agree with the kind of views you promote - and since nobody can directly attack or discredit anyone, these people(and you are) are left to their methods.
::: For your current decision to be validated, the admins of those boards, boards which are influenced in turn by your anti-fan attitude, would have to be near 100% correct in their decisions, and those decisions would have to occur within a context that would map exactly onto here. Any rational moderator does not base their decisions so much off performance on other boards, especially when it's not even a messageboard they're operating. Two different media. I have openly said I despise all active Transformers boards for their level of authoritarianism, yet level of tolerance towards the pushing of certain viewpoints.

::: Not to mention that you're still operating under the fallacy of Appeal to Majority - that alone means I shouldn't really even have to counter you.

::: And don't even use the "CHILD PORNOGRAPHY" thing as an excuse. Again, any rational moderator would warn several times before a ban, I personally reversed that edit even though it was obviously intended to be a joke as anyone reading this knows what pile'o'bile already is. You have no justification for what you did, but your ego is too big to realise you can actually do wrong with your power. You'll never admit it, but I wouldn't be surprised if some part of you is pissed that I defeated some of your ramblings, whether they were directly written by you or encouraged by you, it's still the kind of guff you normally blew, and I managed to defeat it. You, and the mods of the big sites will always have your ban buttons - but you will NEVER be able to justify your actions to me. That's how I know that I'm in the right, at least in situations like this - solidly backed justification is almost always absent.
:::: Personal attacks + deleting comments in response to you = banno --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:36, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
:::: P.S. Sign your posts. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:36, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

::::: I have never intentionally deleted comments in response to me. I just moved one recently as it was in the middle of a paragraph of text. Not to mention that happened after you banned my original IP. Personal attacks alone are not grounds enough for a ban, especially when you're doing an awful, awful lot to be mercilessly torn into.
Need I point out that once again, you are unable to defend yourself properly? When does the "You're insane?" come? Ganging up of all your little friends since a majority always means you're right?
Do you even realise what a fascist shithead you sound like? Just because you're an admin of a place doesn't give you a free pass to be a dick with it. There's a difference between what you can do and what you should do that you don't seem to have learned yet.

[[User:67.159.44.88]]

: YOU BAN PEOPLE BECAUSE ****YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE

TRUTH****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111twelve FUCKING FASCIST PIGCOP NAZI WIKIPEDO '''ASSHOLE''' [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:32, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:: My gosh, now that I have seen someone mock the notion, it MUST be untrue. Please, where can I learn these 1337 debating skills?

:::Dude, I've been banned from twice as many forums as you, guaranfuckingteed, but they still let me post here because I'm not as goddamn retarded as you are. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:34, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:::: And can you demonstrate exactly how I'm more retarded than you? Or are you just, Walky style, dropping weighted terms to discredit someone's point of view without even trying?

:::::1. Hoop doesn't delete other people's comments on talk pages. 2. He actually signs his posts, which you've been asked to do many times, but haven't caught on. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:40, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:::::: I didn't delete anything. If I did, it was an accident because someone posted right in the middle of text it wasn't meant to be in the middle of. Not signing my posts doesn't make me retarded since it's blatant when I'm saying something. --[[User:67.159.44.88]]

Actually - come to think of it, you make fun of the idea that anyone running a site can be Nazi, yet you still mention you got banned from many forums. Does that perhaps mean that you genuinely got banned for being an asshole and not opposing the staff/local clique like I did?

:''any rational moderator would warn several times before a ban''
:Not true, some things are auto-ban. I don't think you ''did'' any of them, but I'm just saying.
:Dude- you got an expedited ban because you showed no signs of contrition, argued every point, used personal insults, refused to sign your posts even when '''repeatedly asked to''' (I had to go back into history and dig out which incoherent chunks of text where yours, because the posts weren't hierarchied properly so the debate was really hard to follow. This is why signin posts is important dumbfuck.)
:And ultimately you got banned because you were making a major nuisance of yourself in ''without'' any correlating '''contribution''' to justify keeping you around. You're a negative. You edited 3 articles- Fandom, Shortpacking and Ruined Forever- and ''all' of those edits got reverted because they either flames or crappy jokes that make the articles ''worse''. Even if I were to (generously) believe you didn't intend to start a fight, you picked the 3 flamebaitiest articles you could find and masturbated across them. ''Allah forfend'' you should write an ''episode summary'' or something.
:Unrelated- Walky can Talk:Fandom be semi-protected instead of full? Loserbot isn't registered. -[[User:Derik|Derik]]01:06, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

== Tip ==

If persistent trolls (especially those with offensive usernames) repeatedly re-create their user talk pages, the best method to deal with it would be to include the page on [[Project:Title blacklist]] and delete the vandalism user talk page. This would be better than protecting the actual page since the the vandalism page would technically not exist, won't come up in searches, and won't be indexed on search engines. In addition, the removal of such pages might discourage the trolls since they may see those pages as their accomplishments, which would encourage them to continue their disruption. [[User:GHe|GHe]] ([[User talk:GHe|Talk]]) 00:23, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

== Joepedia permission ==

You'll be happy to know that I have posted on the community talk forum as you suggested. I'll wait for the consensus. Thanks for letting me know before I stepped on EVERYBODY's toes. --[[User:Destron Commander|Destron Commander]] 06:43, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== Talk:Prowl 2 ==

Could you merge [[Talk:Prowl 2]] with [[Talk: Prowl (RID)]]? Nobody is going to be able to find it since [[Prowl 2]] is a redirect. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

== Sorry ==

Sorry Willis, but your talk page has gotten too damned big. I've put all non-active topics into 2006 and 2007 archives except for the topics by Rosalie and Hilarious Stalker Guy. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:30, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
: Thanks, sir. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:55, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

== Destronium ==

Sorry 'bout that, Walky. Inadequate (i.e., zero) warning of edit conflicts happened again. Well, at least you got a better caption the second time around.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 18:57, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

== you deleted the wrong page ==

You deleted [[Image talk:Bstreak.gif]] instead of [[:Image:Bstreak.gif]]. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:56, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

== Go here. ==

[[Talk:Along Came a Spider]]

--[[User:Fannus Maximus|Fannus Maximus]] 17:37, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

==I think it's time for a pruning==
the To Be Deleted category is has quite a few empty categories, and a ton of troll user paged and images that aren't used anywhere, or just on banned user's pages. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 18:00, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

== Troll user and user talk pages ==

Could you delete the various troll-owned user and user talk pages? It generally isn't a good idea to keep those around. (This includes the fully protected ones. You can add them to [[Transformers Wiki:Title blacklist]] if needed) --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 23:53, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:I oppose this measure as part of my general policy of opposing things. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
::[[Admiral Kreemzeeks Personal Battleship|Counterpoint.]]--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 21:49, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

== Dunno.... ==

Is it me, or does [[User:MARV 2000|MARV 2000]] act about like Assaulthead did ''before'' he decided to clumsily mash together military weapons, South Park references, and parts of the female anatomy he has never seen?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:22, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
==Waaaiiit...==
When you deleted my Cheetor grin thing on the discussion page, the edit summary was ''"No."'' Does that mean "No, Supreme Cheetor's not the one with the stupid grin," or "No, you can't ask this question here?"
:Or does it mean both? [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 18:51, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::Never mind. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 19:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

==Lame==
Lame. --[[User:Might Gaine|Might Gaine]] 02:16, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

:Dude, I know. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 19:32, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

== sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ==

i didnt vandalize ur page!!! it was my bro he hacked in2 my account i will change my password now!!! [[User:American Girl|American Girl]] 13:53, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

== Wheeljack's ears ==

How about an animated gif of Wheeljack's Ear-Thingies glowing for his page? I don't have one, but I think it'd be a good idea. [[Talk:Wheeljack (G1)]]

[[User:Inferno'sQueen|MISTER Q (Mr. means I'm a GUY)]] 16:28, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think that's necessary. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:36, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
::Well, you're the admin.

[[User:Inferno'sQueen|MISTER Q (Mr. means I'm a GUY)]] 17:57, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

== You should see this... ==

[[Image:Tf name generator.jpg|thumb|300px|This is on the TF Name Generator page.]]
[[User:Inferno'sQueen|MR. Q (I'm a GUY)]] 13:52, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
:He's seen it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:05, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

:Okay. Just making sure he knew about it. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|MR. Q (I'm a GUY)]] 14:28, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

:This looks shopped. I can tell from the pixels, and from seeing quite a few shops in my time.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 16:26, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
::Of course it's photoshopped. Hasbro's Transformer-name generator is not going to call a kid "Bitchpants." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:43, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

== How could you!?! ==

Why would you get rid of the trivia i added, their is nothing wrong and it isn't vandilising so would you mind telling me why it should be deleted and not kept? [[Talk:Behellmorph]]
: I did tell you why. Read the edit comment I made when I reverted it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:34, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

:Okay fine, i wasn't paying attention to the replie but have you got a grudge against me or somethin? when i added a picture featuring the Barricade cars you got rid of it. I exept the deletion of the text since i missed what Didgit did but why the picture, could you at least allow me to keep the Riddler triva as least. [[Talk:Behellmorph]]
::I got rid of the Barricade shot because, like 30 million other things we had to delete when the first movie was being made, we don't deal in snuck photos from the set or of props or whatever. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:15, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

==Fusion Cannon==
Walky,don´t remove my edits at the fusion cannon page saying there has not been any official release please,it says fusion cannon on the back of the box. [[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 00:12, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
:That would be the back of the box of a toy that has not yet actually been released to retail, would it not?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:15, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

:Is said box in an photograph released by Hasbro or the Fan Club, or of the Hasbro booth at a convention, or from a toy released in actual stores? If not, the box was stolen from Hasbro. We do not post things we only know of because of stolen toys. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:19, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

It did leak out into several stores throughout singapore and the usa though,so i´m pretty sure what i read,and i´m pretty sure i didn´t get it from a thief. [[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 00:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
:It's not officially released, therefore it's offlimits. Them's the breaks. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:40, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Fine,whatever. [[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 09:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

==Spotlights==
Hi -- I left a message on [[Talk:Main Page]] about the Wikia spotlights. Let me know if you have any more problems with stuff like that... I'd be happy to talk with you guys about promoting the site in a way that makes you happy, and not angry. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 17:59, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

== Deletion Log ==

"ItsWalky (Talk | contribs) (deleted "God":" 
"There is more than one god on this wiki.)"
I just wanted to say I found these text strings from today's Deletion Log highly amusing, especially when separated like that. I'm sure there's a lesson in here somewhere.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 02:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

== now that you banned him.. ==

Inferno'sQueen is a Kremzeek sockpuppet. [[User:ShinkisRule|ShinkisRule]] 18:10, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
: And you're another one, huh? Why else would you know, care, or mention this? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:41, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
::Personally, it looks like Kremmy came up with a long string of ridiculous socks to distract away from his "real" account (Inferno's Queen). IQ was where he was actually trying to be a productive member and by comparison to the troll socks would seem sensible. Of course, IQ was still too annoying by half. I'd wager ShinkisRule is his sister again.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:45, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

== Adding photos? ==

Hi Walky,

I'm curious what the rules on Teletraan I are for adding photos. I do some macro photography and thought I could help add some original photos for various articles. Are there any rights issues I should know about? I would like to get a credit for the photo but otherwise I have no other issue (something like this - http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/). I don't even mind hosting if it is necessary.

Furthermore, are there rules to the type of photo format used? (White background/etc?)

[[User:66.130.54.20|66.130.54.20]] 18:49, 3 April 2008 (UTC)The Drifter
:We prefer white backgrounds, yes, and you're welcome to credit yourself when you upload your own images. (They may be automatically released to public domain upon doing so, I am not sure of the specifics. I know our written text is.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:58, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
::I know we do have [[Template:Copyleft]] for use in tagging images for copyleft licensing.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

== Moving mirrorverse Prime ==

The Prime in ''Games of Deception'' is G1 prime, right? Going on standard disambuig, mirrorverse Prime should be at [[Optimus Prime (Timelines)]] as he is the only Optimus Prime introduced in the Timelines line. Also, is there another Ruckus in Timelines? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 05:03, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
:I still think we should be using (Shattered Glass) for all the Shattered Glass guys, and not (Timelines). I think that makes the articles more easily recognizable for what they are when seen by people browsing through catgeories. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 05:14, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

==Monaco skin==

Hi Walky -- I posted on the [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#Monaco skin|Community portal]] last week about moving this wiki over to the new Monaco skin. It's had some discussion, but nothing so far from the admins. What do you think? -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 19:18, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

== Yeah, I'm spamming ==

Canvassing a few talkpages here so we can get folks to weigh in and finalize the potential Wiki image policy. Your input would be appreciated at [[Transformers Wiki talk:Images]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:34, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

== Main page talk:Premiums ==

I'm a winner but the post is gone?!? *confusion* [[User:BenHur|BenHur]] 16:07, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:You're not supposed to post toy sightings on the main page's discussion page. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:20, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
::Sorry, didn't know! [[User:BenHur|BenHur]] 16:23, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Close to the top of [[Talk:Main Page]], it says, "Please use this talk page for discussion about the Main Page." Please read pages before you edit them. [[User:JW|JW]] 16:31, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Sorry again.

== Well, I suppose he's going to have to hate you even longer. ==

[[User:Bonescrusher|Bonescrusher]] states on his userpage that he's [[User:FIELDMAN 298|FIELDMAN 298]] (and felt the need to update his old userpage). He is also saying he is the (as of yet unblocked) user [[User:St.Hound|St.Hound]]. This is the dink that keeps vandalizing your creator/artist page on the wiki, but says he'll stop now. But he still feels the need to say he hates you and everyone you've ever loved.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:49, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

== Garbage In, Garbage Out ==

Seriously, it looks to me as if there's nothing left of Wreck-Gar but his upper chest and shoulders, and even that is half-buried in the river-bottom mud. I take it you disagree.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 04:24, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
:Definitely looks like he's buried, because he actually pulls his right shoulder out of the ocean floor during the sequence. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:39, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
::If he was missing most of himself, they'd, y'know, show some wiring down there. Also, not show him buried! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:55, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Looking at it again, I guess I can see how the rest of his body could be there, but at the angle he was lying and the way his arm stubs were shown, I just got the impression that what we saw of him was practically all there was left. If there was more of his body intact, I'd have expected it to be more visible. Then again, I'm nitpicking the realism of a half-buried giant, transforming, cartoon robot.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 18:58, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
::::On this, I agree with Willis - he's mostly intact, just more than half-buried in the silt - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:15, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

==Rhinox555 gettin' cranky==
If you have a moment to check out [[Talk:Waspinator]], it's possible that [[User:Rhinox555]] has reached the point where he needs a time-out. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:15, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

== Nobody can wait for a year ==
Please give me another chance, I felt like leaving the funny business to you guys. This is the logged out Black Rhino Ranger speaking. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 06:08, 19 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

User talk:82.17.140.55

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Leaving aside the fact that the TF articles on Wikipedia are frequently wrong, nowhere on Wheeljack's Wikipedia article does it says that he was in season 3. And even if it did, it would be wrong. And "no one tells me what to do?" Heey, welcome to a wiki. Have you perhaps not been to one before? Now, you can quit being an asshole, or you can say sayonara. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:53, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Watch your language. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 12:08, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

{{correctenglish}}
There's nothing wrong with expanding a short article and adding a reasonable amount of humor{{m-}}so long as you adhere to the wiki style guide and your grammar, spelling, and syntax are at least reasonably close to correct. Your article for the TFA Constructicons was riddled with syntax errors, plus it was essentially the same article for both with just a name change here and there, which we try to avoid. (That's actually a little more forgivable if the articles are at least written properly.) If you'd fixed your spelling, grammar, etc. and tried to make the two articles more different rather than kept pasting the same ones (very slightly changed) back in again, they wouldn't have been repeatedly reverted.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 18:48, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

:We might be more kind if you stop repeatedly putting up the same, error ridden, factually flawed, poorly written articles, when we keep telling you (politely at first) that while we appreciate the effort, we have standards, your material is not up to them. Instead of accepting that you're writing is not up to snuff, you keep continually reposting your work, slapping us in the face, telling us that you don't care what we think, and that you are always correct. Basically, you seem like a colossal jerk. If you can improve your work, then you are welcome to contribute, if you cannot, as it seems you don't know English very well, then please, just let other people write the articles. Right now you are helping neither us, nor the viewers of this wiki. But right now, it isn't much of a stretch for people to think you are simply trying to pick a fight. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 22:59, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm with the decepticons's decendents. My favourite character is rampage from Beast wars and thank for upgrading mix and scrap. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 05:58, 19 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Scrapper (Animated)

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{{disambig3|Scrapper}}
:''Scrapper is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Scrapperanimated.jpg|right|thumb|150px|He needs a hug.]]
'''Scrapper''' is one of the [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicons]].

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Tom Kenny]] (English)

In his first appearance, Scrapper and [[Mixmaster]] were brought to life by allspark energy, They don't know themselves so they got names by reading the words like Mixmaster's name was on him and Scrapper read a sign that said Scrap and he chose that name with a per. They managed to transform and Then they saw a red car and thought it was another transformer and they went after it. They Later saved [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] from being destroyed by falling Piles and a crane. Bulkhead became friends with them and he introduce them to the rest of the Autobots and they were having a good messy time there.

The Next Morning, They saved [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] from Being smashed into pieces when he was pushing a heavy load, they said they were Constructobots, a subgroup of autobots and Blitzwing thought these two may come in handy.

When he, Lugnut and the still confused Constructobots finally went into megatron's cave HQ, Lugnut was about to destroy them but Megatron used them to steal the Piles and Bulkhead manages to stop them and he told them Decepticons were evil and bad and then they disposed the piles (On to Bulhead without noticing) and went of to tell megatron

When The Constructobots managed to get to Megatron's cave, They wanted a word with him. Inside, Megatron thought Constructobts was a dumb name so he changed the name by removing "Obot" and Added in "icon" for Constructicons

Back in Autobot HQ, The Constructicons came back and this time, they want the allspark, Bulkhead hands in over and move off, when they were running, Mixmaster was feeling something funny in his belly and the same thing happened to Scrapper and then an explosion appeared, But they were not destroyed except their memory circults were smashed and they don't know who were the autobots and bulkhead pretends to hurt them and then they transformed and rolled out.

Still doesn't explain how they became Decepticons

{{charstub}}

[[Category: Animated characters]]
[[Category: Constructicons]]
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Scrapper (Animated)

2008-05-18T12:25:27Z

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Scrapper (Animated)

2008-05-18T12:09:19Z

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{{disambig3|Scrapper}}
:''Scrapper is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Scrapperanimated.jpg|right|thumb|150px|He needs a hug.]]
'''Scrapper''' is one of the [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicons]].

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Tom Kenny]] (English)

In his first appearance, Scrapper and [[Mixmaster]] were brought to life by allspark Energy, They don't know themselves so they got names by reading the words like Mixmaster's name was on him and Scrapper read a sign that said Scrap and he chose that name with a per. They managed to transform and Then they saw a red car and thought it was another transformer and they went after it. They Later saved [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] from being destroyed by falling Piles and a Crane. Bulkhead became friends with them and he introduce them to the rest of the Autobots and they were having a good messy time there.

The Next Morning, They save [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] from Being smashed into pieces when he was pushing a heavy load, they said they were Constructobots, a subgroup of autobots and Blitzwing thought these two may come in handy.

When he, Lugnut and the still confused Constructobots finally went into megatron's cave HQ, Lugnut was about to destroy them but Megatron used them to steal the Piles and Bulkhead manages to stop them and he told them Decepticons were evil and bad and then they disposed the Piles (On to Bulhead without noticing) and went of to tell megatron

When The Constructobots managed to get to Megatron's cave, They wanted a word with him. Inside, Megatron thought Constructobts was a dumb name so hchanged the name by removing "Obot" and Added in "icon" for Constructicons

Back in Autobot HQ, The Constructicons came back and this time, they want the allspark, Bulkhead hands in over and they congradulate him and Move off, when they were running, Mixmaster was feeling somethinf funny in his belly and the same thing happened to scrapper and then KABOOM, But they were not destroyed except their memory circults were smashed and they don't know who were the autobots and bulkhead pretends to hurt them and then they transformed and rolled out.

Still doesn't explain how they became Decepticons

{{charstub}}

[[Category: Animated characters]]
[[Category: Constructicons]]
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Wheeljack (G1)

2008-05-18T11:47:05Z

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{{disambig3|Wheeljack}}
:''Wheeljack is an [[Autobot]] in the [[Generation 1]] continuity family.''

[[Image:Wheeljackg1.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Optimus Prime! I built a machine that builds machines that build catapults! Come see 'em!...Yeah, we can wait for Ratchet.]]

'''Wheeljack''' is his own worst enemy. Something of a crackpot inventor, a good half of his creations blow up in his face, and that's just if he's lucky. He's simultaneously one of the Autobots' greatest assets and problems; for every successful gadget he builds, there's one which requires [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] or [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] to put him (and his lab) back together. But once in a while he strikes gold, which has won him respect from even the Decepticons.

He is, however, not a [[Perceptor (G1)|complete nerd.]] As good as he is in the lab, Wheeljack is just as amazing on the road, since there're few stunts he can't pull off. He enjoys showing off both on the design table and on the streets.

:''French-Canadian name:'' '''Invento''', '''Cric''' (as Action Master)
:''Italian name:'' '''Saetta'''
:''Hungarian name:'' '''Kerék''' (Wheel); sometimes '''Kormányos Jack''' (meaning Steering-wheel Jack, Yoho!)
:''Russian TV dub name:'' '''Gonsheek''' ("Racer")

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
{{noteukonly}}

''Following the almost total defeat of the Autobots by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] returned to the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'' and began to reactivate the fallen warriors. Wheeljack was the second Autobot after [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] to be brought back on-line, so that he could aid Ratchet with his technical skills. He saved the Autobots from total destruction by remote-controlling Optimus Prime's deactivated body and using it to intervene in [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'s attempted execution of [[Guardian]], who had been booby-trapped with a nuclear bomb. {{Storylink|The Wrath of Guardian!}}''

To help boost the Autobots' fallen forces, Wheeljack designed new bodies for Grapple, [[Skids]], [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]], [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]], and [[Tracks]], whose minds were stored on the ''Ark'' for such an occasion. {{Storylink|Rock and Roll-Out!}}

''Wheeljack was later an early casualty of a disastrous attack on Galvatron led by acting Autobot Commander [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]], though he was not seriously damaged. {{Storylink|Target 2006}}''

To give the Autobots some air (and [[combiner]]) power, Wheeljack designed the [[Aerialbot]]s, though all but [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]]'s minds were incomplete and they almost killed a human. {{Storylink|Aerialbots over America!}} Wheeljack later had to erase their minds and unfortunately, by this time, [[Bombshell]] had implanted a [[cerebro-shell]] in Optimus that, while not controlling him, allowed the Decepticons to tap into the [[Creation Matrix]] to create the [[Stunticon]]s. {{Storylink|Heavy Traffic!}} It was not directly referenced, but it is assumed that he helped build the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobot]]s as well (which allowed Megatron to create the [[Combaticon]]s).

''Later, he aided Optimus Prime in a plan to temporarily fake his own death, in order to teach the Earth-bound Autobots to learn to cope without him. Wheeljack was the only Autobot Prime told of his plan, probably since Prime needed him to build a [[Facsimile Construct]] in his likeness to be destroyed. When Megatron did destroy the facsimile, even Wheeljack mistakenly believed Prime had been killed. {{Storylink|Prey!}}''

After Optimus Prime died, the Autobots chose Grimlock as their new leader, but things didn't go so well, so Wheeljack called his friend [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] to help deal with the situation. {{Storylink|Spacehikers!}}

Although it wasn't depicted, he was assumed destroyed by the [[Underbase]]-powered [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]. {{Storylink|Dark Star!}} Grimlock eventually revived him with [[Nucleon]], along with the rest of the Autobots' deactivated roster. {{Storylink|On the Edge of Extinction!}} After the defeat of [[Unicron]], Wheeljack mourned the second death of Optimus Prime {{Storylink|Still Life!}} and discovered the betrayal of the Decepticons who sabotaged the Autobot spacecraft before leaving the dying Cybertron. {{Storylink|Exodus!}} Grimlock saved the day again though, providing some stolen Decepticon cruisers. However, when they followed the Decepticons to [[Klo]], the Autobots were ambushed and nearly wiped out. [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] was about to dismember Wheeljack when he was saved by the timely arrival of the reborn Optimus Prime and the [[Neo-Knights]]. {{Storylink|End of the Road! (Marvel US comic)|End of the Road!}}

=====Marvel UK future timelines=====

''Wheeljack survived the battle of [[Autobot City]] in this timeline, but was later strung up by [[Quintesson]]s there in 2008, anyway. He wasn't seen after that, but [[Blaster]] survived the same treatment. {{storylink|Space Pirates!}}''

=====Earthforce=====
{{earthforcefiction}}

''When [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] infiltrated the ''Ark'' to brainwash some new troops, Wheeljack was one of the deactivated Autobots he attempted to control. Wheeljack and the others turned the tables on Galvatron, subjecting him to his own dream bug technology. {{storylink|Perchance to Dream}} Back in action, Wheeljack felt somewhat out of place among the various [[Headmaster]]s and [[Targetmaster]]s and [[Powermaster]]s wandering around the ''Ark'' now. On a scouting mission, he and Prowl grumbled to one another about how they just wanted some good ol' fashioned Decepticons to beat up on. Obligingly, the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]]s [[Mixmaster]] and [[Long Haul]] showed up right then to stop the Autobots from finding out about their evil plans. Thrilled about fighting bad guys who weren't "MicroHeadTargetmasters with a Pretender shell", Wheeljack and Prowl tracked down the Constructicons' leader, Megatron, nearby, and learned of his plans to destroy Earth's atmosphere. {{storylink|Starting Over!}} While Wheeljack distracted [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and the [[Stunticon]]s, Prowl leapt aboard the "atmo rocket" and knocked it off course, saving the planet. {{storylink|Desert Island Risks!}}''

''Fresh from their adventure with old, familiar enemies, Wheeljack and Prowl both joined the new Earthforce team Optimus Prime set up under Grimlock's command. Operating out of a shuttle in the Canadian wilderness, the Autobots began constructing a larger Earthbase on site. Although the location of their base was unknown, the construction-in-progress was open to attack, and so a 24-hour guard watch was arranged. One dark and stormy night, Wheeljack was trying to keep warm on guard duty using a thermo-heating unit from the ship, but it overheated and started smoking on him. He knocked over a table and lamp while trying to shut off the device and attracted the attention of a polar bear, which ended up chasing him back towards the shuttle. To top it all off, he was jumped from behind by [[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)|Skydive]], who had seen all the mess and mistaken Wheeljack for an attacking Decepticon. It was not Wheeljack's best night ever. {{storylink|Mystery!}}''

''When a new thought-activated set of nightlights called [[Sleepfast]] was released to human buyers, Wheeljack got suspicious and tested the little items. He found not only the presence of Cybertronian technology in the devices, but also evidence that the thought-sensitive nightlights would eventually turn on their owners, allowing them to manipulate the humans' minds as well as read them. Wheeljack took [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] to investigate the Sleepfast warehouse, and they ran into the mastermind behind the scheme, [[Mindwipe]]. The Autobots used the thought-activation effect of the Sleepfasts to will all several hundred nightlights on at once, temporarily blinding Mindwipe. {{storylink|The Living Nightlights!}}''

''Finally, Autobot Earthbase was completed, and Wheeljack called the entire team outside to witness his defense grid in action. Prowl was dubious at the lack of obvious protection, and so Wheeljack handed him the activation remote. Once Prowl hit the button, Wheeljack tossed a rock towards the base, where it was instantly obliterated by the retractable laser cannons. When Prowl expressed concern that someone could knock the defense system offline, Wheeljack assured him that once the defense system was activated, it could only be deactivated from a console inside the base. Prowl paused for a minute, took a head count, then turned hesitantly to Wheeljack and asked, "So who's inside with the console NOW...?" ''

''The response? "Oh..."''

''While Prowl and the other Autobots braved the defenses in order to reach the console and turn off the security system, Grimlock grabbed Wheels by the ankle and shook him out upside-down over the snow for good measure. {{storylink|The House that Wheeljack Built!}}''

''When Optimus Prime returned to Earth for an inspection of the new operation, he also brought back [[Tracks]]' body for Wheeljack to reactivate in his Bodyshop. Grimlock was hardly impressed with the idea of bringing the vain and complaining Tracks back to life, and he tried to derail the process. Despite his efforts, though, Wheeljack not only revived Tracks, but Optimus Prime decreed that Tracks would remain with Earthforce instead of going back on the ''Ark'' with him. {{storylink|Makin' Tracks!}} Later, Wheeljack diagnosed Snarl with [[corrodia gravis]], prompting the Autobots to seek out the only compatible Transformer who could give him a systems boost: Starscream. {{storylink|Assassins}}''

''Wheeljack was last seen during the Autobot chase of [[Motormaster]], who had kidnapped their ally, [[Irwin Spoon]]. He abandoned the chase to check on Prowl after Motormaster ran him off the highway. {{storylink|End of the Road (UK issue)|End of the Road!}}''

====Generation 2====

While investigating an apparent planet-wide genocide on [[J'asik]], Wheeljack joined [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] and [[First Aid]] on a science team in attempting to find out just what had destroyed all life on the planet so utterly. Their findings were so surprising, the team double-checked 50 times before confirming the results: A Cybertronian biological by-product had somehow achieved quasi-sentience and motivation, and was prowling the galaxy as the entity known as the [[Swarm]]. The full impact of their discovery was cut short, however, by the arriving armada of [[Jhiaxus]] and his second generation Cybertronians, the accidental harbingers of the Swarm. {{storylink|Swarm (comic issue)|Swarm}} The battle with Jhiaxus kept the Transformers occupied long enough for the Swarm to find them on Earth. Presenting a united front, the Autobots and Decepticons desperately attempted to drive back the creature. Wheeljack cooked up a method of dramatically augmenting [[Frenzy]]'s sonic powers, but while the Decepticon was consumed by the excess power pumping through his system, it seemed to do little good against the Swarm. Wheeljack's final fate is unknown. {{storylink|A Rage in Heaven!}}

===American cartoon continuity===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Chris Latta]] (US), [[Osamu Saka]] (Japan) [[Katsumi Suzuki]] ([[Attack of the Autobots]] and [[Day of the Machines]] only)

[[Image:cybertronwheeljack.jpg|thumb|left|Boxy but safe.]]

Wheeljack was one of the original crew of [[Autobots]] aboard the ''[[Ark]]'' when it crashed into the Earth four million years ago. Originally a boxy-shaped transport affixed with retractable, bumper-mounted cutting blades, Wheeljack was reformatted in 1984 to be a speedy and rare Lancia Stratos Turbo custom racing car. {{Storylink|More Than Meets the Eye, Part 1}}

Wheeljack was part of the battle unit organized by [[Jazz]] to first challenge the re-awakened [[Decepticons]] on Earth. He was involved in the battle at an off-shore oil rig, where the Autobots would meet the Witwickys, human workers who would befriend the Autobots. Wheeljack developed an especially close friendship with [[Sparkplug Witwicky]], as the two were both gifted mechanics. Wheeljack was next part of the team that attempted to stop the Decepticon plot to overload [[Sherman Dam]].

[[Image:Windcharger wheeljack otp.jpg|thumb|right|Truly, a look can be deceiving, but a touch can be lethal.]]

A restless engineer, Wheeljack has developed all manner of contraptions and equipment for his personal use and for use by his fellow Autobots, often with catastrophic results. He designed the compact yet extremely powerful explosive that nearly trapped the Decepticons in the [[Ruby Crystal Mines of Burma|ruby crystal mines of Burma]], a [[magnetic inducer]] device capable of stopping Transformers cold in their tracks, and a [[gyro-inhibitor]] shell that could incapacitate even Megatron for short spans.

Upon discovery of dinosaur bones in caverns within the [[Ark]]'s volcano, Wheeljack and Ratchet were inspired to construct robotic version of dinosaurs. The Dinobots were originally too dangerous and too primitive to control, leading to Optimus Prime commanding that the project be abandoned, but Wheeljack secretly persisted. He developed memory components that increased the [[Dinobots]]' intelligence, turning them into valuable, if sometimes unpredictable, members of the Autobot forces. {{Storylink|S.O.S. Dinobots}}

Concealed in Wheeljack's left wrist is a fire suppression system, which no doubt came in handy when one of his devices would blow up in his face.

Wheeljack met his untimely end not from one of his own inventions, but from [[Battle of Autobot City|an overwhelming Decepticon attack on Autobot City]]. Arcee pulled his [[spark|life]]less chassis away from the battle to prevent the Decepticons from desecrating it. What a nice girl. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}

However, Wheeljack did appear alive in season 3.

:''('''Note''': Wheeljack has the distinction of being the first Transformer to appear in an episode of any animated series.)''

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===Japanese cartoon continuity===
====''Victory'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Shinobu Satouchi]]

[[Image:WheeljackVictory1.jpg|left|250px|thumb| Um, that was my brother Jackwheel .]]

Wheeljack, [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] and [[Minerva (G1)|Minerva]] were summoned by [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]] to save the life of the fallen [[Ginrai]]. They succeeded, transforming the former [[transtector]] into the mighty [[Victory Leo]].

:''('''Note''': Wheeljack's not-being-deadness is never addressed. Though to Japanese viewers during the original airings, this was not a noticeable discrepancy, as the [[The Transformers: The Movie|movie]] where he died had not been shown in Japan until '''after''' ''Victory'' had aired. However, the original Movie storyboards show [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]] as the dead Autobot next to [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]]). It is also possible that if [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] was successful with [[Operation: Distant Thunder]] then Wheeljack could have survived his apparent demise in the movie via [[Project Bodyshop]].''

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====''Japanese Generation 2 manga====
[[Image:G2StoryPageWheeljackPerceptor1.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Umm... would you believe it was my identical cousin?]]

Wheeljack along with Perceptor and Jetfire discovered [[Reconfiguration Matrix|new properties]] of the matrix which allowed Optimus Prime to revive himself as Laser-Rod Optimus Prime after a crushing defeat by Megatron.

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====Binaltech====
[[Image:BTWheeljack_art.jpg|left|thumb|200px|HEAVY METAL RULES!!!]]

When the Dinobots were injured in a Decepticon attack in the year 2005, Wheeljack headed to Earth to arrange the transplantation of [[Grimlock]]'s mind into a new Binaltech body. On his return journey to the Autobots' moonbase, however, his shuttle was hijacked by time-tossed Decepticon [[Ravage]], who had begun a plan to alter the course of history. Wheeljack was shown a brief glimpse of the near future—including the deaths of himself and many of his comrades—but managed to escape Ravage's clutches. Ravage himself promptly returned to Cybertron and exhumed the [[Kronosphere]], using it to tip the balance of the decisive battle occurring at that time. Whereas the outcome would have originally favored the Decepticons, leading to their total conquest of Cybertron, Ravage ensured an ''Autobot'' victory, altering history and leaving the heroes to face the looming threat of [[Unicron]] alone.

Aware that history had been altered, Wheeljack was faced with a dilemma: Should he stop Ravage's plan and restore the timestream, even though it would mean the death of many Autobots, including himself? His salvation, he hoped, lay in the [[GT System]], a device that allowed a singular [[spark]] to control many duplicate bodies simultaneously. Dubbing his original body the "Alpha Unit," he constructed the "Beta Unit" based on Grimlock's Ford Mustang body, as well as the ominous third "Omega Unit," a mysterious body about which nothing is known.

The subsequent arrival of Unicron prompted the Autobots to initiate "Operation: Distant Thunder," which saw [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] use the chronal warp on [[Dinobot Island]] to send Wheeljack's memory data back in time, in hopes of alerting the Autobots in the past and preventing alteration to the timestream. The plan didn't go as expected, and reality started to go into a severe state of whack, until a mysterious [[Nemesis Prime (Alternators)|black Optimus Prime]] appeared and sealed the time portals that had been created. Operation: Distant Thunder had succeeded in preventing the mainline timestream's alteration, but the Binaltech timeline, first destined to be replaced and erased, had been saved by the newcomer and was now its own distinct, divergent universe.

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:Wheeljack dw6.jpg|right|thumb|Wheeljack calms a group of panicked humans by charging at them while brandishing a weapon.]]

''Wheeljack suffers from a mild form of [[mode attachment]], feeling more comfortable in his vehicle mode than robot mode. As a consequence he does his best thinking in vehicle mode, often while attempting something insanely dangerous.''<ref>[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]</ref>

Wheeljack was part of Grimlock's unit, along with [[Kup]] and [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]], at the time when [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] died and Optimus Prime rose to command the Autobots. When the Decepticons placed [[Iacon]] under siege, Grimlock took his group to [[Kaon]] to look for Optimus Prime, who had gone seeking Megatron. While there, they discovered [[planetary engine turbine]]s that were providing power to a mechaforming process that was destroying Iacon. Arriving, Prime instructed Wheeljack to shut down the engines in a... creative way (it blowed up real good). Wheeljack grumbled a bit that all his education and mechanical engineering skill had led up to just blowing things up. The group managed to return to Iacon, where Prime halted his order to abandon the planet. {{storylink|The War Within}}

When Prime and Megatron disappeared during a [[space bridge]] explosion, Grimlock broke off from the Autobot army and formed the [[Lightning Strike Coalition]], taking his former squad members with him. While Kup and the Dynobots attacked the [[Predacon (War Within)|Predacon]]s, Wheeljack and Ironhide hijacked some shuttles carrying raw [[Energon]], making Starscream very angry. That's always a plus. {{storylink|The War Within: The Dark Ages}}

Wheeljack was one of the engineers that designed and constructed the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'', and part of the ship's original crew.

In 1986, Ironhide and [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] discovered Wheeljack in pieces but functional after an explosion while bug-testing his neutron detonator shell.<ref>Dreamwave's More than Meets the Eye profile for Wheeljack</ref>

:''('''Note''': A version of the events of the Sunbow cartoon episode "[[Autobot Spike]]" appear to have taken place in the time between 1984 and 1998.)''

Wheeljack was among the Transformers involved in the ''[[Ark II]]'' disaster. He survived the explosion of their spacecraft, crashing back to Earth where he and several others lay deactivated and frozen within an iceberg until awakened by [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] in 2002. {{Storylink|Prime Directive issue 2}}

Wheeljack participated in the assault on [[Lazarus]]'s Canadian headquarters. When [[Robert Hallo|General Hallo]]'s attempt to bomb the Autobots and the Decepticons out of existence instead caused a violent expansion of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s [[cyber-virus]], Wheeljack and [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] were the first Autobots to free themselves. {{Storylink|Prime Directive issue 4}} While Prime took some of the Autobots after Megatron, Wheeljack diagnosed the nature of the cyber-virus, and created a set of anti-viral blasters that used the Autobots' energy to return the converted matter to normal. The intervention of Canada's military force scuttled that plan when they fired into the virus, expanding it beyond the point the Autobots could contain. {{Storylink|Prime Directive issue 5}} In response, Wheeljack converted a nearby satellite dish into a giant anti-viral weapon, channeling all of his remaining energy into it. He succeeded in destroying the virus, but was left near death. {{Storylink|Prime Directive issue 6}}

Six months later, Wheeljack came back online just in time to participate in the short-lived truce with the Deceptions and the assault on [[Las Vegas]] to destroy the [[Keepers]]. {{Storylink|Keepers Trilogy}}

Later, when [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] came to arrest the Autobots as war criminals, Wheeljack was one of the Autobots secretly left behind by Optimus Prime under Jazz's command. {{Storylink|Brothers' Burden}} Like most of the rest of that group of Autobots, Wheeljack was beaten to the point of stasis lock by [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] some time later and dumped into a nearby swamp. {{storylink|Night of the Combaticons}} He was dredged out by an [[EDC]] task force and repaired, in time to rejoin the other Autobots when they started construction of [[Autobot City]]. {{Storylink|Lost and Found}}

===IDW comics continuity===
{{ongoing}}
In the time preceding the war Wheeljack was an mechanoid as touched by the sacrifice of others as one could expect from this kindly future Autobot. It comes as no surprise then that he was front row at the state funeral of Kaon Security Service officers [[Fastback]] and [[Bumper]]. {{storylink| Megatron_Origin_issue_3|Megatron Origin issue 3}}

Wheeljack is part of a detachment of Autobots that has operated covertly on Earth for at least four years, attempting to foil a Decepticon insurgency. He appears to be continuing in his role of technical scientist and gadgeteer for the Autobot detachment; he builds a device that can interface the [[SM-40]] palmtop computer with the systems aboard the Autobots' ''[[Ark-19]]'' spacecraft. Wheeljack, like his fellow Autobots, would come to watch the showdown between Megatron and the [[Ore-13]]-powered Starscream. {{storylink|Infiltration}}

Later, after [[Escalation issue 1|the incident outside Lebanon, Illinois]], he and Jazz were sent to investigate a Springfield police impound lot which supposedly held [[Sunstreaker]]'s remains. Unfortunately, members of the [[Machination]] had already arrived with the same purpose in mind, and attacked the bots wielding advanced weaponry eerily similar to their own. Wheeljack escaped mostly unharmed, probably because Jazz took a direct hit from a mortar meant for him. Wheeljack would get his first taste of real damage in [[Brasnya]] facing down Blitzwing and Astrotrain, and eventually the drained form of Megatron. {{storylink|Escalation}}

Wheeljack was assigned to work with Hot Rod in rescuing [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]], but yet again the Machination decided to interfere{{m-}}this time in a confrontation with their army of experimental [[Headmaster]] clones. Wheeljack's constant tinkering paid off when he was able to escape the Headmasters using a [[gyro-inhibitor shell]]. The Headmasters eventually caught up with them however and incapacitated Wheeljack by knocking a pile of junk cars on him. [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]] went to retrieve Hot Rod and the others, blowing up a Headmaster that was attacking Hot Rod. Hot Rod refused to go though, wanting to see the Headmaster mystery to the end. Hardhead reluctantly let him go and took Wheeljack and Ironhide back with him. {{storylink|Devastation}}

===Devil's Due G.I.Joe vs Transformers comics continuity===

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
* '''Wheeljack''' (1984, 1991)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-03'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 shoulder cannons, 4 rockets, 2 wings

[[Image:G1Wheeljack_toy.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Do your arms hang low? Do they wobble to and fro?]]

: The original Wheeljack toy, released as part of the 1984 series of Autobots, was based on a ''[[Diaclone]]'' Lancia Stratos Turbo. He comes with two rocket launchers that can fire four projectiles and two clear wings. In robot mode, the rocket launchers and the wings mount onto his shoulder and back respectively. For some reason, Wheeljack's lower arms/hands cannot lock into his upper arms, leaving them hanging at an angle.

: In 1986, he was made available as a mail-away item (as he was no longer shipping to retail shelves) in multiple offers, including [[Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction]] flier packed with most boxed ''Transformers'' toys. He cost $8 and two [[robot points]].

: Unfortunately for many collectors, Wheeljack's mold has been [[Gone Forever|damaged or destroyed]], meaning his chances of future reissue looks bleak. The closest version of the figure to currency is the European [[Classics (Euro) | Classics]] reissue.

{{-}}
* '''Wheeljack''' (Action Master, 1990)
**''Accessories:'' 2 missiles
[[Image:AMWheeljack.jpg|right|thumb|70px|At least I come with the Miami Vice car.]]

: ''[[Action Master]]'' Wheeljack is a non-transforming action figure sculpted based upon his cartoon appearances. He comes with the [[Turbo Racer]], a large red sports car based upon the Ferrari Testarossa that can seat two ''Action Master'' figures. The Turbo Racer has an 'attack mode' where it transforms into something vaguely resembling an aircraft made from car parts.

: The Wheeljack figure was later repainted into [[Slicer]].

{{-}}

===Universe (2003)===
*'''Wheeljack''' (Spychanger, 2004)
**''Accessories:'' Gun
[[Image:SpychangerWheeljack.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Where's your head at, at?]]

:This version of Wheeljack transforms into a Le Mans racing car. He is cast in white plastic with mostly black paint. The toy has several stickers to represent Wheeljack's earlier Lancia Stratos colours, including his racing number 539. He comes with a small black rifle that can be stored between his legs in vehicle mode.

:Universe Wheeljack is a [[redeco]] of Spychanger [[Daytonus]].

{{-}}

===Alternators===
* '''Wheeljack''' (2005)
**''Alternator ID number:'' '''13'''
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''BT-14'''
**''Accessories:'' Engine/gun, energo sword
[[Image:BTWheeljack_toy.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Mustang Wheeljack! You better slow your Mustang down!]]

: ''[[Alternators]]'' Wheeljack is a retool of ''Alternators'' [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]. He transforms into a 2005 (S197 chassis) model Ford Mustang GT, painted white with blue stripes. In vehicle mode, he features highly realistic styling, opening doors, hood and trunk, as well as a detailed car interior. In robot mode his removable engine becomes a double-barreled laser. [[Image:Binaltech_Alternator_Wheeljack_Retool.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Alternator Wheeljack worked out so much he lost his neck.]]

:The Japanese Binaltech release has a slightly retooled head, different paint applications, and is partially constructed of die-cast metal.

{{-}}

==Merchandise==
*'''Wheeljack Bust''' (2003)

[[Image:Wheeljackbust.jpg|right|thumb|120px|Optimus Prime! I built a machine that removes legs and replaces them with small pedestals! Come see!]]

:[[Hard Hero]] released a polystone bust of Wheeljack, based upon his appearance in the Generation 1 television series.

*'''Wheeljack''' (2004)

[[Image:Wheeljackstatue.jpg|left|thumb|130px|Small, expensive, and puffy.]]

:Palisades released a 6-inch polystone statue of Wheeljack, based upon [[Pat Lee]]'s rendition of him in the Dreamwave comics.

{{-}}

==Trivia==
* The remold of [[Alternators]] [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] was originally planned to be [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]] (presumably in red), but ultimately ended up as Wheeljack instead, with a new head sculpt. Meanwhile, the head sculpt originally intended for Ford-Windcharger ended up being used for the remold of Windcharger (the Honda S2000 mold) instead, now named "[[Decepticharge]]".

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1984/Autobot/Wheeljack/wheeljack.htm Wheeljack at TFU.info]

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Talk:Mixmaster (Animated)

2008-05-18T11:44:05Z

82.17.140.55: Undo revision 186239 by Detour (talk)

Anyone want to know the story, WATCH THESE VIDS

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6-8v9oObUM&feature=related#]

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Ironhide (Animated)

2008-05-18T11:43:06Z

82.17.140.55: Not Listening, No one tells me what to do

{{disambig3|Ironhide}}
[[Image:Ironhideanimated.jpg|left|thumb|150px|"Leakin' promotional materials!"]]
:''Ironhide is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:AniHide.JPG|right|thumb|250px|"No, no, move the aerial to the left."]]
'''Ironhide''' is a Cybertronian officer with a Texan accent...somehow.

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Corey Burton]] (English), [[Kaspar Eichel]] (German)

Ironhide contacted [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] and revealed the Decepticons had begun an uprising, destroying a [[space bridge]] in the process. Before he could reveal all the details however, his transmission was cut short. {{storylink|Mission Accomplished}}

==Trivia==
*Ironhide's voicing is, of course, an homage to the original [[Peter Cullen]] portrayal of the character.

*Ironhide has a butt-chin. Tee-hee!


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Scrapper (Animated)

2008-05-18T11:42:14Z

82.17.140.55: /* Animated cartoon */

{{disambig3|Scrapper}}
:''Scrapper is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Scrapperanimated.jpg|right|thumb|150px|He needs a hug.]]
'''Scrapper''' is one of the [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicons]].

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Tom Kenny]] (English)

In his first appearance, Scrapper and [[Mixmaster]] were brought to life by allspark Energy, They don't know themselves so they got names by reading the words like Mixmaster's name was on him and Scrapper read a sign that said Scrap and he chose that name with a per. They managed to transform and Then they saw a red car and thought it was another transformer and they went after it. They Later saved [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] from being destroyed by falling Piles and a Crane. Bulkhead became friends with them and he introduce them to the rest of the Autobots and they were having a good messy time there.

The Next Morning, They save [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] from Being smashed into pieces when he was pushing a heavy load, they said they were Constructobots, a subgroup of autobots and Blitzwing thought these two may come in handy.

When he, Lugnut and the still confused Constructobots finally went into megatron's cave HQ, Lugnut was about to destroy them but Megatron used them to steal the Piles and Bulkhead manages to stop them and he told them Decepticons were evil and bad and then they disposed the Piles (On to Bulhead without noticing) and went of to tell megatron

When The Constructobots managed to get to Megatron's cave, They wanted a word with him. Inside, Megatron thought Constructobts was a dumb name so hchanged the name by removing "Obot" and Added in "icon" for Constructicons

Back in Autobot HQ, The Constructicons came back and this time, they want the allspark, Bulkhead hands in over and they congradulate him and Move off, when they were running, Mixmaster was feeling somethinf funny in his belly and the same thing happened to scrapper and then KABOOM, But they were not destroyed except their memory circults were smashed and they don't know who were the autobots and bulkhead pretends to hurt them and then they transformed and rolled out.

Still doesn't explain how they became Decepticons

{{charstub}}

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Scrapper (Animated)

2008-05-18T11:41:33Z

82.17.140.55: I have watched the show it shoed that scapper and mixmaster were once autobots

{{disambig3|Scrapper}}
:''Scrapper is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Scrapperanimated.jpg|right|thumb|150px|He needs a hug.]]
'''Scrapper''' is one of the [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicons]].

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Tom Kenny]] (English)

In his first appearance, Scrapper and [[Mixmaster]] were brought to life by allspark Energy, They don't know themselves so they got names by reading the words like Mixmaster's name was on him and Scrapper read a sign that said Scrap and he chose that name with a per. They managed to transform and Then they saw a red car and thought it was another transformer and they went after it. They Later saved [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] from being destroyed by falling Piles and a Crane. Bulkhead became friends with them and he introduce them to the rest of the Autobots and they were having a good messy time there.

The Next Morning, They save [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] from Being smashed into pieces when he was putting a heavy load, they said they were Constructobots, a subgroup of autobots and Blitzwing thought these two may come in handy.

When he, Lugnut and the still confused Constructobots finally went into megatron's cave HQ, Lugnut was about to destroy them but Megatron used them to steal the Piles and Bulkhead manages to stop them and he told them Decepticons were evil and bad and then they disposed the Piles (On to Bulhead without noticing) and went of to tell megatron

When The Constructobots managed to get to Megatron's cave, They wanted a word with him. Inside, Megatron thought Constructobts was a dumb name so hchanged the name by removing "Obot" and Added in "icon" for Constructicons

Back in Autobot HQ, The Constructicons came back and this time, they want the allspark, Bulkhead hands in over and they congradulate him and Move off, when they were running, Mixmaster was feeling somethinf funny in his belly and the same thing happened to scrapper and then KABOOM, But they were not destroyed except their memory circults were smashed and they don't know who were the autobots and bulkhead pretends to hurt them and then they transformed and rolled out.

Still doesn't explain how they became Decepticons

{{charstub}}

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Talk:Main Page

2008-05-18T11:33:57Z

82.17.140.55: /* Funny */

THE FUNNY STAYS.
-The Management

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Please use this talk page for discussion about the [[Main Page]].

To discuss site-wide policies, please visit [[Transformers Wiki Talk:Community Portal|the Community Portal talk page]].

==Archives==
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive1|Archive1]]
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== The Funny ==

Maybe if the stuff you said was funny, no one would have a problem with it, but most of the jokes on here are pretty lame, it's not about transformers fans being serious, it's about your jokes being bad. When other people try to put there humor in it, you erase it. Sooooo make the jokes funny and you wont have to worry about it. Besides the Real Wikipedia has more information on transformers than the one dedicated to transformers have, what gives. Maybe before you work on your lame jokes you can fill out the information on the article. Sorry just what I think about it, don't take to much offence. {{unsigned|67.140.110.210}}

:Humor is subjective. Pesonally, I consider most of the jokes on this site to be neutral. They are clearly trying to be silly, but neither funny nor painful. They merely lighten the tone. Users who show up here and do nothing but change jokes into different jokes are clearly not accomplishing anything. The new jokes are never any better -- they are merely different, and often worse. That is a waste of everybody's time. I haven't spent a lot of time browsing Transformers material on Wikipedia, but I highly doubt that their information is ''better'', even if there might be a larger quantity of it. What little I've seen there has been disorganized, mixes fan assertions with canon, and is at times not even reliable. ''If'' they have more information than we do, it is only because people have been adding TF info there for at least twice as long as this specialized wiki has existed. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

::Yep, this wiki is a far more reliable source of information for Transformers than the Wikipedia shall ever be. I've corrected some of their base assumptions and half-truths upon occassion. If we lack information for something, '''then feel free to contribute''' to our wiki or wait for one of us to get around to it. Really, what the Wikipedia offers is rather generalised information and (as steve-o points out) fan-assumed fanon and downright false information. Besides, we provide the Transformers info that the users on the wikipedia either don't know or won't bother with, such as info on the toys, their designers, toy construction materials, obscure series and/or characters and so on.
:: And yes, we think captioning a picture of say, Megatron with 'Art of Megatron' or some such is really patronising. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I, as a fellow Transformer fan, agree that "the funny" is lame.

One time I tried to change [[Nautilator]]'s bio; stating that he carries a powerful weapon, transforms INTO a powerful weapon, and is an undersea version of [[Constructicon]] [[Scavager]]. But none of that went through.

I'm sensing "the bias" here.

[http://www.geocities.com/tenou_clock/ Tyrenol]

:''I, as a fellow Transformer fan, agree that "the funny" is lame.'' 
: Some of it is certainly very very lame. If you would like to raise the level of humor here, then A) become a regular and respected contributor of useful non-funny stuff, ''then'' B) improve the funny. What we most strongly object to is newcomers who contribute ''nothing'' except changes to the humor. Changing the funny is an earned privilege. [[User:JW|JW]] 19:44, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::'''Tyrenol:''' Your [[Nautilator (G1)|Nautilator]] bio was, as far as I can tell, at best [[fanon]] or at worst fan fiction. Steve-o (an admin) points out that your edit had nothing to do with the established Hasbro toy bio. Despite our humour and over-the-top references to a character's foibles, we base what we write on official material approved by Hasbro/Takara.

::That's not 'bias', that's the rules.

:::Okay, then. Here's another idea: How about you guys use the exact wording from the bios as oppose to just sticking stuff in and thinking that everyone else will agree with its hilariousness.

:::Besides; I have two problems with anything Wiki. 1) Things don't stay changed when they get changed. Annoyances like needed citations and reliable sources that have a problem staying reliable. 2) I have a life to live, a job to pay for where I live, and I really don't have the time to watch everything on the web like a cold-stare hawk.

:::My apologies for being new. My apologies for calling your jokes lame. But what is everybody doing on the web when they can't take the sharp, cold knife in the back that's called "criticism?" The same rules apply for me. [http://www.geocities.com/tenou_clock/ Tyrenol]

::::We have a specific policy AGAINST cut-and-pasting from bios, one of many reasons being that those are a) copyrighted and b) not always applicable. After all, Shockwave sure wasn't anything like his toy bio in the cartoon. Character overviews on this resource are "all-encompassing", in order to reflect changes and evolutions in the character. And what do you do when a character -like, say, Optimus Prime- has several dozen bios over the course of 20 years?
::::Maybe you should apologize for playing the "I have a life" card that screams "I have no actual argument so I'll imply you all are losers". And don't confuse "whinging" with "criticism", or "disagreeing with" as "can't take it". This argument has come up with many an anon IP who is more interested in fighting a long-established precedent for this wiki which has garnered far more positive attention than negative than they are in contributing, and if they didn't change thing one about it, neither will you. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]]

::As for humour being lame, let me ask you a question: Do you wander onto privately-run Tranformers fan sites and message boards, see something you don't like (that isn't necessarily offensive) and proceed to tell off the admins for how they run their website? Much of the reason the wiki is the way it is is because the people who run this wiki and the majority of regular contributors have a sense of humour. I find it odd that newcomers will question our policies as if they claim some sort of ownership over the wiki, yet have contributed little to it. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

:I'm a newcomer, but I have to admit that the policies regarding jokes ''prevent'' unfair bias, if anything. Additionally, it helps newcomers achieve a sense of ownership. Maybe we don't all get the lame obscure reference on [[Special:Random|whatever]] page, but whoever put it there probably thinks it's hilarious! Thanks to the established policies he/she doesn't need to worry about someone replacing it with another, equally-lame obscure reference. --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 19:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

::Make jokes and be merry. My message to any readers is if you get offended by jokes, then you take Transformers way too seriously :-D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:01, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

:::haha... Transformers too seriously?! ''Only'' five of my nine open browser tabs are occupied with something Transformers related right now. If that's not moderation, then I don't know what is! ...but yes, if your reason for being put-off is a bent sense of humor, then you're probably in in the wrong place! --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 18:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
::::I thought the Ladiesman217 article was funny. Needed some fixing for the caption with the police car. It's not funny.

When I read these articles for information, and some stupid joke gets thrown in, it really throws my thought process off. I'm sure it's that way for a lot of people too. Don't forget you're writing this for other people and it's not a good idea to screw with them, or whatever [[User:FartboyExtreme|FartboyExtreme]] 03:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
:For every person that hates the joking and non-serious nature of the wiki, there's somebody else that loves it. If people can't hack the humour, well I'm sorry, but that's your problem. As for writing this for other people, I contribute to this wiki for the sheer pleasure of having fun with my stupid toy & cartoon hobby, not out of some obligation or duty to provide an encyclopedia for the fandom. As far as I am concerned, so long as we are accurate and detailed, we can also make light of our hobby. -[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
::I think there needs to be some rules on where the jokes can be. I personally don't mind them when they're in image captions and such, but I think in the middle of a paragraph isn't very appropriate. Know what I mean? [[User:FartboyExtreme|FartboyExtreme]] 21:01, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Could you provide an example of "middle of the paragraph" humor where you find it inappropriate?
:::Also, just a note: It's hard to take you seriously with that username. [[User:JW|JW]] 21:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
::::I think he's talking about things like my edits to [[Sparkplug Witwicky]]'s cartoon section where I said the Autobots saved the oil rig workers "from a death exactly the same as death", or references to characters freaking out.
::::As for establishing rules to prevent people from placing jokes within paragraphs, I highly doubt that will come to pass as most of the regular contributors and the administration staff write in this manner. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:28, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::Seriously, people saying BAWWW WIKI NOT SERIOUS ENOUGH irritates the fuck out of me. I'm sorry our little collection of information about giant toy space robots isn't serious enough for you. Maybe you should go read a Serious Encyclopedia, like the one dedicated to Everything The Goddamn Ewoks Ever Did. That's a serious topic worthy of intense consideration, and it should be treated with the respect it deserves. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:49, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::People with names like ''FartboyExtreme'' complaining that the wiki isn't serious enough set off my bullshit meter something fierce.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:13, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::: That comment about writing this for other people really shit me up the wall. I was not aware I was doing this wiki as my job. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:07, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

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==Featured Article for October==

So...are we ever going to change the featured article? It's been Megatron for, like, two months now. [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] 03:58, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
:It depends on what the management thinks is complete enough in terms of length and content. I think Movie Prime's article should be given a go since October will be the month of the DVD release in the US and the article is more or less complete. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:14, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
:How about something other than a character page?--[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 12:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
::I nominate Sector Seven, because the article is fairly thorough, references a lot of material, and will be useful to the fans directed here who liked the movie but haven't read all the minor, wacky background material. That article is still listed as a "Stub," though as with a great many "stubs" on this wiki I kind of don't see why. It could be made ''longer'', like all of them, but it's not like it's missing anything critical or is just a halfassed paragraph. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:33, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
:::I think we should make articles for Rebecca Howard and Alexander Powers before we feature it, since they're pretty important to the ARG storyline, which, as you said, is the wacky background material 99% of people would never seen or heard of. Plus they're linked right at the start of the article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:41, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

By the way when it comes doing the most wanted page list means I will do it but someone must back me up when I go do yardwork.(Spearhead 08:03, 7 October 2007 (UTC))

Sweet zombie Jesus, the Featured Article changed!!! I think I may faint! ...But one request: Please don't change it back to [[Megatron_%28G1%29|Megatron]] in November! --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 15:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Nice going guys. You finally got rid of Megatron... and then replaced him with Primal Prime, who's been on for three months. Either someone tell me how to change that article, or ''please'' replace it with something new--how about Optimus Prime's G1 toys? [[User:Crosshairs-1|"MovieMan"]] 11:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)Crosshairs-1

When will the page be changed? It's been Jihaxus for so long now. [[User:JimCappuccino|JimCappuccino]] 20:07, 12 May 2008 (UTC)JimCappuccino

== "By series" column is missing... ==

"Comics" for Beast Wars.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 13:51, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== Just a little question... ==

Is there anywhere I can find a NON parody wiki? - Anonymous

: Right here? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:31, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:wikipedia--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 19:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
::But their TF pages suck. So dry and boring and light on content and all Mignashy. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:35, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Mostly the Mignashy part. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Wikipedia Transformers stuff is full on content! It's just all made up. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:59, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't think you understand the meaning of "parody", Mister Anonymous. "It has humor in it" is not what parody entails. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah, plus beneath our bad captions and jokes there's a wealth of information you will not likely find anywhere else, at least not all in one place. I think people are too used to the "[insert franchise] is ''Serious Business''" natures of the large, dry wikis like Memory Alpha and the Star Wars Wiki. That or they are unable to laugh at Transformers because they take it too seriously. Or they think this entire wiki is written solely by Walky, and since they hate Walky, they hate the wiki. Those last people suck. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:58, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

== Logo--Good Wiki!==
Hi guys!!! This is a very creative wiki! But I am not keen on the logo. Right now is: [[Image:wiki.png]] 
{{unsigned|Thatkidjasper}}

:Please sign your posts to talk pages by typing four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) at the end.
:Also, you'll have more luck getting us to change our logo if you spend a few months as a regular contributor, first. [[User:JW|JW]] 19:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

How do u put your logo on the upper left?--[[User:Farragut79|Farragut79]] 14:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

== Caps? ==

Do we want to implement sabrblade's suggestion of replacing

(toyline/cartoon/comic)

with

(Toyline/Cartoon/Comic)

. . . ? Personally, I think it makes the page look more cluttered. [[User:JW|JW]] 22:07, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:Well, I just thought it would make it look a little neater. I didn't mean anything by it. I also thought it would make more sense to change "comic" to "comics" under Generation 1 and Beast Wars since they both had more than one comic series. I also put a "comic" link under Beast Machines that goes to the Wreckers comic since that ''is'' a Beast Machines comic series. And I thought "comics" should be "comic" under Animated since so far it only had one comic series that we know of. And "Sequel" was already put under Transformers (2007), since I saw that it was capitalized, that's what gave me the idea to capitalize the rest. But I see that someone erased "Sequel" from the main page. [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:11, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

== Putting Headmasters/Masterforce/Victory links in the "by series" column ==

Would anyone object if I put bulleted links for Headmaster/Masterforce/Victory in the "by series" column? I acknowledge that the series are linked under G1 articles, but it's arguable that they are not "true G1", but rather a non-canonical branch of that continuity.

For example:
* ''[[Generation 1]]'' ([[Generation 1 (toyline)|toyline]]/[[Generation 1 (cartoon)|cartoon]]/[[Generation 1 (comic)|comic]])
** ''[[Headmasters]]''
** ''[[Masterforce]]''
** ''[[Victory]]''
* ''[[Generation 2]]'' ([[Generation 2 (toyline)|toyline]]/[[Generation 2 (cartoon)|cartoon]]/[[Generation 2 (Marvel comic)|comic]])

And yes, I am a newb and I know that that impacts the consideration of my suggestion.

[[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 00:34, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:Headmasters/Masterforce/Victory ARE true, canonical G1, but I think the main page list is long enough already without us lengthening it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:37, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::I don't really have a problem with it, but yeah it would make the list longer too much. Besides, you forgot Zone, Battlestars, and Operation: Combination. [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 00:50, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::1) I don't want to be combative, but can ItsWalky support the G1-canon assertion? Only the hardcore fanbase is familiar with the Japanese series. If these shows are G1, then why don't the G1 cartoon/comic/toy pages consistently contain info about those toys? For instance, the G1 toy page doesn't list the Japan-series-exclusive toys.
:::2) Each Japanese series has its own toyline/comic/cartoon links in this wiki. It only seems proper to list them here.
:::3) I disagree that this would make the list too long.
:::4) I'm afraid I don't know enough about Zone/Battlestars/Op:Com. Time to surf some more...
:::[[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 00:57, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::In Transformers, and by the standards of this wiki, everything that is approved by Hasbro or Takara is canon. Without exception. It does not matter whether you have seen it or not. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:02, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::ItsWalky, do you have any non-length-related objection? [[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 01:29, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well, ItsWalky, since you're not buyin' his idea, how about this then. Make a drop-down list for all the JG1 series drop under the Generation 1 text by pressing a [+] button, ya know like the ones seen in Category pages and such. Does that sound okay? And maybe one to drop under Beast Wars for Beast Wars II and Neo? [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:34, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I am really not sure how we would jigger a collapsible continuity tree list. I would assume though if anyone knew how to accomplish this it would involve some sort of sinister faustian bargain with the fount of Dark Science that is [[User:Derik|Derik]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 01:42, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:Or we could just implement my suggestion. Problem solved! [[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 01:49, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::Not quite. You say, "put them on the list," he says, "no, it'll be too long," I say "compromise, a drop-down list '''if it's possible'''" [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 02:17, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::If we include the various Japanese G1 franchises we would also need to include Battle For the Spark, Unicron Battles, Powerlinx Battles, Primus Unleashed and Allspark Battles. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:53, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::None of those are quite the seperate, distinct entity that the Japanese lines mentioned are. BftS, etc. are sublines of their respective ongoing lines. Masterforce, Victory, etc. are mainlines themselves, with the only higher hierarchy level being "Transformers", or arguably "Transformers Japan".
::::I think the list is long enough. The Japanese series are all linked too off of the summary [[Generation 1]] page. A collapsible list would probably uglify the aesthetic table we have in place, to say nothing of the technical difficulties to make it work. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 05:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::'''Then it follows that some work should be done to include the japanese-exclusive toys from these series in the G1 toys pages, and include the japan-manga for these series in the G1 comics pages. Do you all think that is appropriate? The way I see it, these series are either within G1 (for the wiki), or they aren't. Right now it seems like they halfway are.'''[[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 16:40, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:Yay, I'm faustian! You have no idea how happy that makes me.
:Unfortunately, a quick investigation tells me that Wikia does not come equipped with any of the table-collapse scripts found on Wikipedia (they have custom ones for the table of contents and category trees, but they aren't cross-adaptable.) It ''might'' be possible to install one of them purely in the Monobook.js file we can edit (I feel like there might be PHP integration, which we can't) but even then the scripts are very limited, and don't do quite what we want.
:Wikipedia has generally be very, very distrustful of implementing those kind of drop-downs because of compatibility issues. Making Javascript a fundamental part of your site's navigation is bad because if someone turns it off or cripples its functions to suppress annoying ads... thennt his site ceases to function.
:So, while a drop-down may be ''possible'' with considerable effort, it brings entailed problems that would seem to outweigh any benefits it delivers. Without a more compelling application for a drop-down, I wouldn't be interested in even ''trying'' to get it working. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:18, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::Uh, I'm sorry, I don't know how I totally missed this conversation. The javascript that Derik describes here is not only not hard to do, but it's actually phenomenally easy. The only question is would it LOOK good on the page; I assure you, the technical end is not an issue.

::If anyone still cares. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:21, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

:Let me draw your attention to my bolded post above... Any comments? [[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 00:41, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think we care enough about those series to list them. We prefer to mock them. List is too long, anyway. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:50, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

==Weird Wikia Spotlight image==
Is it just me or is that Autobot symbol Wikia is using to Spotlight our site an unofficial fan-made version? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:55, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's... pretty lame. You'd think they could have grabbed one of the ones here in the wiki. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 09:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::God fucking dammit. That's Neale's erroneous font, with the three hash-marks per forehead instead of two. I will not allow this. Who do I yell at? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:45, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:I never thought an Autobrand could look so angry...-- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:05, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

:How to fix the image:
:1. make new image using official Autobot sigil from... anywhere
:2. go [[w:Image:Transformers-monaco.gif|here]].
:3. upload new image
:4. ???
:5. PROFIT!!! --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
::Man that is pretty dang shitty. Why does Wikia keep trying to make logos '''for''' us?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:00, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I have done my level best to try to turn our masthead into a little spotlight image there.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:15, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:::[[w:Image:Transformers120.png|Here]], actually. And done. Thank God. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:58, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
::::Wow, much better! :D --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 09:14, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Walky, I [[W:Image:Transformers125.png|found another one]], I assume you have a larger original file that you can replace it with?. Hopefully they didn't make anymore, because that fake Autobot symbol is fucking awful. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:45, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

:Hi, guys -- I'm sorry that you didn't like the spotlight image, and I'm glad that you made your own. [[w:Image:Transformers-monaco.gif|This one]] is terrific; much better than the other one.

:If you guys ever have any concerns (or complaints) about the spotlights or any kind of promotional stuff, please let me know... We're trying to support you and your wiki, and obviously we don't want to do anything that you don't like. Teletraan I is an awesome wiki, and I want to make sure that lots of people know about it.

:So... I'm the person you yell at. And also, hopefully, I'm the person that you can come to with ideas about how to make your site better. Let me know what you think. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 06:10, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

::Hi, at least speaking for myself, we're not actually that angry... I think :) Just that the fake Autobot symbol has some minor controversy surrounding it ever since it was accidently used by [[IDW Publishing]] for one of their [[Stormbringer issue 1|early Transformers comics]]. Plus, we try to keep on the good side of Hasbro by using their approved logos and such. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:10, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

:::Thank you for the response - and the desire to promote our wiki. I'd agree with FFN that there's not much actual anger here, and any dissatisfaction is easily remedied. Just let us know whenever you want to run any promos, and we'll cook up whatever imagery and so forth you need. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:28, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

::::Okay, cool. We're going to be building up an Entertainment-hub wiki pretty soon, and I may take you up on that offer. :) It's going to take us a little bit to figure out how to do it, but the idea is to have a place where people can promote their wiki, show off a bit, and make connections with other wiki people. It should be fun. I'll let you guys know when it goes up... -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 23:35, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

==Death becomes you==

Why not add a section relating to death in Transformers (character deaths, permanence etc) with a special section for the way Optimus' pop their clogs...a lot[[User:GWolfv2]]
:We have [[The many deaths of Optimus Prime]]. An article on [[Death]] in general might not be amiss. [[User:JW|JW]] 13:26, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
::Well, I started it. It's very slim, cause I'm sure there's people out there more informed then me. I'll try and add what I can once a style is put in place [[User:GWolfv2]]

== april fools day plans ==

i recomend that for april fools day we lock the main page and save a copy of some of the longest/most important pages[[User:81.108.233.59|81.108.233.59]] 16:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:No real need to save a copy. Wiki software archives older versions automatically.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:23, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:And, the main page is already semiprotected. [[User:JW|JW]] 16:26, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

==Shift from movie to Animated?==
I'm just thinking that maybe the frontpage's "highlight" should change from the TF movie, which is well wound-down, to Animated, which is new and big and running full-steam. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:04, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
: Sure. That seems like an easy change... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:19, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

== Featured article ==

We have had the same thing there for like 50 years{{unsigned|Human in Disguise|02:22, 7 April 2008}}
:Not really. Jhiaxus was only made a Featured Article on March 2, 2008.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::With 6k articles, maybe we could switch the featured article every month?[[User:Spriteless|Spriteless]] 05:45, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:::We try to when we can, but usually that involves a big push to improve the given article to featured article standards.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

== front tf page ==

i hate april fool pranks on my fave tf front page -dr
:What? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

== Funny ==
I think we should remove the funny nes on the page, If it stays, It will sound like a child has being messing up this place and Other people will think it doesn't make sense. [[User:Black rhino ranger|Black rhino ranger]] 09:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:You're going to find yourself in the minority regarding this opinion.--[[User:Suzyprime|Suzyprime]] 13:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, Ranger, people are more likely to think this wiki "doesn't make sense" if it's edited by people who can't spell, conjugate, or use capital letters correctly. [[User:JW|JW]] 18:37, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Who made this again. [[User:Black rhino ranger|Black rhino ranger]] 19:55, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:If that's a question, I don't understand it. [[User:JW|JW]] 20:33, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

But we should Make the images Info not funny, Transformers is ment to be serious, not funny. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 15:47, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:Bullshit. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:46, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::Transformers be [[Bee in the City|'''''serious business''''']] yo. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:00, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:Sir, your erudite argument has at last shown me the light. I have been in error all this time, and you have turned the glare of knowledge against the darkness of my ignorance. Verily, we must all change our ways, and treat the stories about outer space robots that turn into cars as Serious Business. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 18:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

But it is unencyclopediac. It looks like a two year old vandalism. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 11:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

==Search==
So, uh, what happened to the ability to type something into the text box, click "search," and not have it take me directly to a page, but give me a list of pages the term appears in instead? There is no search button on the front page! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:For as long as I've used the wiki, the Search function has only done that for me if what I've typed didn't match the title of any article exactly. As for the front page, I still see the Search box. I don't know if it makes a difference, but I'm using the Monaco skin.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:12, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::That doesn't match my experiences. I could type in "Megatron," click Search, and then it'd give me a list of pages that mention "Megatron" in the body of the text. It was very useful. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::On the topic of the Monaco skin, can we get some admin feedback on the Monaco skin discussion, please? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::To be sure, yes, that would be useful. As it is, now you'd have to type something like "Megatron's" or "Megatron" and another word to get similar results. And yeah, I've seen notices for the admins from [[User:Toughpigs|Toughpigs]] asking for feedback and wondered when that was going to be resolved.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:Regarding the search box - typing something into the box and hitting "enter," or clicking "go," is the option that takes you directly to the page with the title you've typed. Typing something into the box and actually clicking the button marked "search" is the option that brings up a list of stuff containing the term, and that's the button we appear to have lost here (although on my screen at least, it's coming and going intermittently, but that's probably a browser cache thing). I've not got the Monaco skin on, but regarding that, I rather like it, and I'd like to see it implimented. There's something very "bare bones" about our set up here, and of course, I know that we kinda have that as a show of "not taking everything too seriously," but I'd personally like to see the Monaco skin in use. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::The same function is in the "Advanced Search" link. Am I the only one who sees it or something? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:17, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Cripes, I can't insert a comment before three more jump in before me. No, there's definitely no Search button visible in the Monaco skin as I'm using it, just an arrow with a magnifying glass icon in it (the equivalent of the "Go" button, obviously). I see the "Advanced search" link too, but it doesn't offer quite the same function, in that it doesn't default to the "all text occurrences" option. Rather, you have to choose settings to get that. Not a terrible extra step, but still...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 18:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I see the advanced search link. I also ''REALLY LIKE'' the new 'random page image link' above the search box. Who do I have to thank for that? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I put it in, but it was Siph's idea. Breaking the "Search" button under non-Monaco themes was also my doing, I'm afraid; I was a little zealous with putting in a more useful search and it didn't quite work. It should be back in a day or two. I somehow totally missed any discussion on Monaco coming up; I'll get to commenting on that. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 19:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Primarily Wookieepedia for the idea, Blitz for the implementation, and I suppose me for harraunging her about it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::A random page on search function is really a good idea because that would make us know about more characters. By the way, I think there still need a normal ''search button'' in the original place . :D --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 01:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Then I thank you guys for it. '''IF''' we switch to Monaco, is there any way to do a similar function with that skin? I think the function is very helpful for newcomers to the wiki (and Transformers in general) for they don't have to look through lists of names or randomly search for things. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:17, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I don't think it'd be too hard. If we ''do'' switch to Monaco, there'd need to be some changes done to the search box anyway, since under that, there's no "search" button. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
: Is there a way to make the search image load earlier? Right now it's the very last thing to load; even the flash ads come up earlier. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:: The short answer is no, unfortunately. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Why does the bar show pictures of random characters, but when you go to their pages they have no visual representation? [[User:90.198.228.42|90.198.228.42]] 20:28, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:Because... I don't know really. I don't know why the powers-at-be chose to create these little search pictures for characters that have no pictures. One would think if they had a reasonably sized image to create the search button picture, they could have uploaded the full size image for the page itself. And/or create searchbox pic-links for characters that DO have decent visual representation AND largely completed articles. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
==Familial relationships==

Should we put something up, relating to the idea of siblings or such[[User:GWolfv2]]
:See [[Relatives]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Redesigning the front page ==

Now that the Monaco skin is the default, and Toughpigs is around to help us out, I suggest we figure out a way to redesign the front page so it isn't just a columns of text. Is there any reasonable way for us to have the franchises in the By Series (or anywhere else, really) represented by the franchise logos? The logos can be as recognisable as the names alone, and given we're getting more and more visitors every day, it would be helpful to make the place more visually pleasing and more user-friendly. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:30, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:I think that's still a [[Talk:Main_Page/Archive2#Logos_for_.27By_series.27_column|bad idea]]. The logos were never designed to look good together, and some (like the 2007 movie) are anti-informative. If you can present a design that somehow makes it work, please do. But I don't see how the new skin changes the basic problems. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:56, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::I tend to think the Main Page and its columns of text are just fine as is. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:04, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::Also, wouldn't it perhaps be best to wait a few days for everyone to get home from BotCon before starting a discussion on more major changes like this? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Didn't stop Toughpigs redesigning the whole Wiki... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:18, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Toughpigs has been touting the switch to Monaco for quite some time, and he only finally got the nod from an admin just before BotCon.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:22, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Just wanted to say I love the new look.

===Ad bar issues with Monaco?===
I don't know if it's just me, but trying to load the Wiki in Firefox results in it loading everything up to the adserver stuff, and then Firefox proceeds to hang the fuck up, completely use up all available memory, and force me to kill it through Task Manager. It's kind of a pain in the ass.(I'm using explorer right now) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:I've had no troubles with Firefox 2, nor Firefox 3 beta 5.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:37, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

== Improvement Drive ==
I have no idea how long the "Improvement Drive" column has been there, but it's a great idea, content-wise. However, IMO the links it contains should really be a permanent part of the Help/Start Here column. It's the kind of thing I was talking about [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#.22First_go_here.21__Next_go_here..22 a while ago]. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
:Giving this a bump. Input, anyone? Anyone? If nobody protests, I'd like to merge the contents of the "Improvement drive" section with the "Start here" section. Perhaps a blurb on a more specialized improvement drive -- say, our long-dormant BW improvement drive -- could take the place of the current one. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

== Main "Transformers Animated" image ==

It really ought to be clickable. Unfortunately, [[:Template:Click]] currently doesn't actually let you center an image-- it probably needs to be rewritten at some point. Unless someone else volunteers, this is mostly just a reminder to myself. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:53, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:Someone just did that and now the link messes up the main page by covering the links to "Comics", "Generation 1", "(toyline/cartoon/comic)", "Generation 2", and "Help contents". Ugh, it was better off the way it was before. Besides, there was a link to the Animated franchise below the giant logo. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::What poor excuse for a browser are you using? The TFA logo is ''above'' all that stuff. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 23:35, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::The image is, but the link is stretching down over the ones below it. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm using Firefox, and the link ends WAY before that. I have no troubles whatsoever. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 00:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Sabrblade, to repeat- "What browser are you using?" -[[Special:Contributions/75.168.112.43|75.168.112.43]] 01:35, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Internet Explorer 7 is my browser on this particular computer (I use at least three different ones). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 20:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well ''there's'' your problem. IE doesn't follow correct HTML protocol, and each version has a different way of not following it. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:19, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Just realized I'm having the same problem, using Firefox. The link to [[Transformers Animated (franchise)]] from the image is like, bleeding down or something, covering up some of the links below it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:43, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Well, is there any other browser besides Internet Explorer and Firefox that doesn't have the problem? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

=="TF dates"?==
Something else Wookiepedia does on its frontpage we... might want to look at stealing... Putting up a "__/__/__: _____ was released" history box. I dunno. It would only be for like comic books, DVDs, TV episodes, street-release-date toys, etc. Though I dunno if TF really has enough... stuff to do that with. I dunno. Idle thought. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Talk:Rise of the Constructicons

2008-05-18T11:20:05Z

82.17.140.55: Okay never mind

Apparently it's already aired in the Middle-East. I've seen pictures. --[[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 16:07, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

==Gurren Lagann==
Okay, one guy throws a hissy fit about some anime I've never heard of, now we have to placate the anime fans by finding a reference in every episode of Animated? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 19:25, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
: Yes, because nobody ''ever used drill-hand attacks ever in the history of anything''. Or... no, because that's a steaming pile of bullshit and it's not a goddamn GD reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:27, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
: ''Energon'', for chrissakes. DON'T THINK I WON'T USE THIS KNIFE! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:28, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
::Yes, Optimus Prime in super mode. He announced it all the time. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 19:33, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
:::G1 Ironhide had a drill-hand in at least one episode. And then there was Augur from "Inhumanoids." And if I actually cared to dignify this Lagann mass hysteria with any effort, I'm sure I could find more examples. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 19:40, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Meh. I was considering Wyatt saying ''Gurren Lagann'' did have some degree of influence on the second season and drill hands were the most likely reference to it so far. (Better than "Two triangles together as eyes! Reference!" or "He is pointing! Reference!") I'm not gonna fight over it. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

:::::Yes, because it's not like Devastator [http://web.archive.org/web/20060421234728/home.earthlink.net/~jrunski/rwkpia/constcon.jpg had optional drill-hands] or anything. -[[User:150.253.90.112|150.253.90.112]] 20:17, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

== Mmm, moose. ==

God bless the moose, we may talk about Constructicons now.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:59, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

:I curse them, they know I can't hold out for a week, forcing me to watch the episodes in (not quite legal) youtube quality. I'd rather wait, but I can't resist. It also doesn't help that I live two hours away from the border. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 03:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

== Italian Accents? WTF? ==

"Miscellaneous trivia
The new Constructicons Mixmaster and Scrapper have a very loose resemblance to Nintendo's Mario and Luigi, respectively, even with Italian accents. "

Seriously, where do people come up with this stuff? If I were gonna say they bore resemblance to something, then I'd say any average stereotypical blue collar worker. Which, coincidentally, were exactly what Mario and Luigi were modeled after. And also... Italian accents? Give me a break! They obviously are meant to have mild New York dilects. Why does every single non New Yorker think New Yorkers all sound Italian? Why?!? Personally, I blame all those crappy Mafia flicks. But seriously, I noticed this on the G1 Wheeljack page too. It's really annoying, not to mention totally innaccurate. [[User:Rose.T|Rose.T]] 04:30, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

== Animation ==

To anyone else who's watched this episode: Is it just me or did the animation in this episode look notably lower in quality than previous episode? Maybe not to the level of AKOM, but still considerably lower in quality... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:51, 18 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Ironhide (Animated)

2008-05-18T11:18:21Z

82.17.140.55: Come, let the poor pic get an article an let poor ironhide have another picture

Scrapper (Animated)

2008-05-18T11:13:52Z

82.17.140.55: /* Animated cartoon */

{{disambig3|Scrapper}}
:''Scrapper is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Scrapperanimated.jpg|right|thumb|150px|He needs a hug.]]
'''Scrapper''' is one of the [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicons]].

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Tom Kenny]] (English)

In his first appearance, Scrapper and [[Mixmaster]] were brought to life by allspark Energy, They don't know themselves so they got names by reading the words like Mixmaster's name was on him and Scrapper read a sign that said Scrap and he chose that name with a per. They managed to transform and Then they saw a red car and thought it was another transformer and they went after it. They Later saved [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] from being destroyed by falling Piles and a Crane. Bulkhead became friends with them and he introduce them to the rest of the Autobots and they were having a good messy time there.

The Next Morning, They save [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] from Being smashed into pieces when he was putting a heavy load, they said they were Constructobots, a subgroup of autobots and Blitzwing thought these two may come in handy.

When he, Lugnut and the still confused Constructobots finally went into megatron's cave HQ, Lugnut was about to destroy them but Megatron used them to steal the Piles and Bulkhead manages to stop them and he told them Decepticons were evil and bad and then they disposed the Piles (On to Bulhead without noticing) and went of to tell megatron

When The Constructobots managed to get to Megatron's cave, They wanted a word with him. Inside, Megatron thought Constructobts was a dumb name so hchanged the name by removing "Obot" and Added in "icon" for Constructicons

Back in Autobot HQ, The Constructicons came back and this time, they want the allspark, Bulkhead hands in over and they congradulate him and Move off, when they were running, Mixmaster was feeling somethinf funny in his belly and the same thing happened to scrapper and then KABOOM, But they were not destroyed except their memory circults were smashed and they don't know who were the autobots and bulkhead pretends to hurt them and then they transformed and rolled out.

Still doesn't explain how they became Decepticons

{{charstub}}

[[Category: Animated characters]]
[[Category: Constructicons]]
[[Category: Decepticons]]<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Scrapper (Animated)

2008-05-18T11:11:07Z

82.17.140.55: Actually, I copies this sheet into mix's page and I thought the creator said the funny bit stays

{{disambig3|Scrapper}}
:''Scrapper is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Scrapperanimated.jpg|right|thumb|150px|He needs a hug.]]
'''Scrapper''' is one of the [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicons]].

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Tom Kenny]] (English)

In his first appearance, Scrapper and [[Mixmaster]] were brought to life by allspark Energy, They don't know themselves so they got names by reading the words like Mixmaster's name was on him and Scrapper read a sign that said Scrap and he chose that name with a per. They managed to transform and Then they saw a red car and thought it was another transformer and they went after it. They Later saved [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] from being destroyed by falling Piles. Bulkhead became friends with them and he introduce them to the rest of the Autobots and they were having a good messy time there.

The Next Morning, They save [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] from Being smashed into pieces when he was putting a heavy load, they said they were Constructobots, a subgroup of autobots and Blitzwing thought these two may come in handy.

When he, Lugnut and the still confused Constructobots finally went into megatron's cave HQ, Lugnut was about to destroy them but Megatron used them to steal the Piles and Bulkhead manages to stop them and he told them Decepticons were evil and bad and then they disposed the Piles (On to Bulhead without noticing) and went of to tell megatron

When The Constructobots managed to get to Megatron's cave, They wanted a word with him. Inside, Megatron thought Constructobts was a dumb name so hchanged the name by removing "Obot" and Added in "icon" for Constructicons

Back in Autobot HQ, The Constructicons came back and this time, they want the allspark, Bulkhead hands in over and they congradulate him and Move off, when they were running, Mixmaster was feeling somethinf funny in his belly and the same thing happened to scrapper and then KABOOM, But they were not destroyed except their memory circults were smashed and they don't know who were the autobots and bulkhead pretends to hurt them and then they transformed and rolled out.

Still doesn't explain how they became Decepticons

{{charstub}}

[[Category: Animated characters]]
[[Category: Constructicons]]
[[Category: Decepticons]]<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Mixmaster (Animated)

2008-05-18T08:25:16Z

82.17.140.55: /* Animated cartoon */

{{disambig3|Mixmaster}}
:''Mixmaster is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

'''Mixmaster''' (nicknamed "Mix") is one of the [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicons]].

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Jeff Bennett]] (English)
Mix is short and bulky and has his mixing barrel in his chest. He also has a handlebar 'stache—seriously. Though technically the 'stache-sideburn combo is referred to as "friendly mutton-chops".

In his first appearance, [[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]] and Mixmaster were brought to life by allspark Energy, They don't know themselves so they got names by reading the words like Mixmaster's name was on him and Scrapper read a sign that said Scrap and he chose that name with a per. They managed to transform and Then they saw a red car and thought it was another transformer and they went after it. They Later saved [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] from being destroyed by falling Piles. Bulkhead became friends with them and he introduce them to the rest of the Autobots and they were having a good messy time there.

The Next Morning, They save [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] from Being smashed into pieces when he was putting a heavy load, they said they were Constructobots, a subgroup of autobots and Blitzwing thought these two may come in handy.

When he, Lugnut and the still confused Constructobots finally went into megatron's cave HQ, Lugnut was about to destroy them but Megatron used them to steal the Piles and Bulkhead manages to stop them and he told them Decepticons were evil and bad and then they disposed the stick thingys (On to Bulhead without noticing) and went of to tell megatron

When The Constructobots managed to get to Megatron's cave, They wanted a word with him. Inside, Megatron thought Constructobts was a dumb name so he changed the name by removing "Obot" and Added in "icon" for Constructicons

Back in Autobot HQ, The Constructicons came back and this time, they want the allspark, Bulkhead hands in over and they congradulate him and Move off, when they were running, Mixmaster was feeling somethinf funny in his belly and the same thing happened to scrapper and then KABOOM, But they were not destroyed except their memory circults were smashed and they don't know who were the autobots and bulkhead pretends to hurt them and then they transformed and rolled out.

Still doesn't explain how they became Decepticons

==Trivia==
[[Image:Mixmasterbutt.JPG|right|thumb|95px|Feels like I'm wearing nothing at all!]]
*Mixmaster follows the true construction tradition of showing his buttcrack.
*Mixmaster calls himself Mix, because he thinks the name Mixmaster is too long.

{{charstub}}
[[Category: Animated characters]]
[[Category: Constructicons]]
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Talk:Mixmaster (Animated)

2008-05-18T08:05:03Z

82.17.140.55: New page: Anyone want to know the story, WATCH THESE VIDS [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6-8v9oObUM&feature=related#] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6-8v9oObUM&feature=related#]

Mixmaster (Animated)

2008-05-18T08:01:05Z

82.17.140.55: Undo revision 186225 by Apcog (talk)

{{disambig3|Mixmaster}}
:''Mixmaster is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

'''Mixmaster''' (nicknamed "Mix") is one of the [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicons]].

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Jeff Bennett]] (English)
Mix is short and bulky and has his mixing barrel in his chest. He also has a handlebar 'stache—seriously. Though technically the 'stache-sideburn combo is referred to as "friendly mutton-chops".

In his first appearance, [[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]] and Mixmaster were brought to life by allspark Energy, They don't know themselves so they got names by reading the words like Mixmaster's name was on him and Scrapper read a sign that said Scrap and he chose that name with a per. They managed to transform and Then they saw a red car and thought it was another transformer and they went after it. They Later saved [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] from being destroyed by falling Piles. Bulkhead became friends with them and he introduce them to the rest of the Autobots and they were having a good messy time there.

The Next Morning, They save [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] from Being smashed into pieces when he was putting a heavy load, they said they were Constructobots, a subgroup of autobots and Blitzwing thought these two may come in handy.

When he, Lugnut and the still confused Constructobots finally went into megatron's cave HQ, Lugnut was about to destroy them but Megatron used them to steal the Piles and Bulkhead manages to stop them and he told them Decepticons were evil and bad and then they disposed the stick thingys (On to Bulhead without noticing) and went of to tell megatron

When The Constructobots managed to get to Megatron's cave, They wanted a word with him. Inside, Megatron thought Constructobts was a dumb name so hchanged the name by removing "Obot" and Added in "icon" for Constructicons

Back in Autobot HQ, The Constructicons came back and this time, they want the allspark, Bulkhead hands in over and they congradulate him and Move off, when they were running, Mixmaster was feeling somethinf funny in his belly and the same thing happened to scrapper and then KABOOM, But they were not destroyed except their memory circults were smashed and they don't know who were the autobots and bulkhead pretends to hurt them and then they transformed and rolled out.

Still doesn't explain how they became Decepticons

==Trivia==
[[Image:Mixmasterbutt.JPG|right|thumb|95px|Feels like I'm wearing nothing at all!]]
*Mixmaster follows the true construction tradition of showing his buttcrack.
*Mixmaster calls himself Mix, because he thinks the name Mixmaster is too long.

{{charstub}}
[[Category: Animated characters]]
[[Category: Constructicons]]
[[Category: Decepticons]]<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Mixmaster (Animated)

2008-05-18T07:48:23Z

82.17.140.55: /* Animated cartoon */

{{disambig3|Mixmaster}}
:''Mixmaster is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

'''Mixmaster''' (nicknamed "Mix") is one of the [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicons]].

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Jeff Bennett]] (English)
Mix is short and bulky and has his mixing barrel in his chest. He also has a handlebar 'stache—seriously. Though technically the 'stache-sideburn combo is referred to as "friendly mutton-chops".

In his first appearance, [[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]] and Mixmaster were brought to life by allspark Energy, They don't know themselves so they got names by reading the words like Mixmaster's name was on him and Scrapper read a sign that said Scrap and he chose that name with a per. They managed to transform and Then they saw a red car and thought it was another transformer and they went after it. They Later saved [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] from being destroyed by falling metal stick thingys. Bulkhead became friends with them and he introduce them to the rest of the Autobots and they were having a good messy time there.

The Next Morning, They save [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] from Being smashed into pieces when he was putting a heavy load, they said they were Constructobots, a subgroup of autobots and Blitzwing thought these two may come in handy.

When he, Lugnut and the still confused Constructobots finally went into megatron's cave HQ, Lugnut was about to destroy them but Megatron used them to steal the metal stick thingys and Bulkhead manages to stop them and he told them Decepticons were evil and bad and then they disposed the stick thingys (On to Bulhead without noticing) and went of to tell megatron

When The Constructobots managed to get to Megatron's cave, They wanted a word with him. Inside, Megatron thought Constructobts was a dumb name so hchanged the name by removing "Obot" and Added in "icon" for Constructicons

Back in Autobot HQ, The Constructicons came back and this time, they want the allspark, Bulkhead hands in over and they congradulate him and Move off, when they were running, Mixmaster was feeling somethinf funny in his belly and the same thing happened to scrapper and then KABOOM, But they were not destroyed except their memory circults were smashed and they don't know who were the autobots and bulkhead pretends to hurt them and then they transformed and rolled out.

Still doesn't explain how they became Decepticons

==Trivia==
[[Image:Mixmasterbutt.JPG|right|thumb|95px|Feels like I'm wearing nothing at all!]]
*Mixmaster follows the true construction tradition of showing his buttcrack.
*Mixmaster calls himself Mix, because he thinks the name Mixmaster is too long.

{{charstub}}
[[Category: Animated characters]]
[[Category: Constructicons]]
[[Category: Decepticons]]<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Mixmaster (Animated)

2008-05-18T07:34:05Z

82.17.140.55: /* Animated cartoon */

{{disambig3|Mixmaster}}
:''Mixmaster is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

'''Mixmaster''' (nicknamed "Mix") is one of the [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicons]].

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Jeff Bennett]] (English)
Mix is short and bulky and has his mixing barrel in his chest. He also has a handlebar 'stache—seriously. Though technically the 'stache-sideburn combo is referred to as "friendly mutton-chops".

In his first appearance, [[Scrapper (Animated)]] and Mixmaster were brought to life by allspark Energy, They don't know themselves so they got names by reading the words like Mixmaster's name was on him and Scrapper read a sign that said Scrap and he chose that name with a per. They managed to transform and Then they saw a red car and thought it was another transformer and they went after it. They Later saved [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] from being destroyed by falling metal stick thingys. Bulkhead became friends with them and he introduce them to the rest of the Autobots and they were having a good messy time there.

The Next Morning, They save [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] from Being smashed into pieces when he was putting a heavy load, they said they were Constructobots, a subgroup of autobots and Blitzwing thought these two may come in handy.

When he, Lugnut and the still confused Constructobots finally went into megatron's cave HQ, Lugnut was about to destroy them but Megatron used them to steal the metal stick thingys and Bulkhead manages to stop them and he told them Decepticons were evil and bad and then they disposed the stick thingys (On to Bulhead without noticing) and went of to tell megatron

When The Constructobots managed to get to Megatron's cave, They wanted a word with him. Inside, Megatron thought Constructobts was a dumb name so hchanged the name by removing "Obot" and Added in "icon" for Constructicons

Back in Autobot HQ, The Constructicons came back and this time, they want the allspark, Bulkhead hands in over and they congradulate him and Move off, when they were running, Mixmaster was feeling somethinf funny in his belly and the same thing happened to scrapper and then KABOOM, But they were not destroyed except their memory circults were smashed and they don't know who were the autobots and bulkhead pretends to hurt them and then they transformed and rolled out.

Still doesn't explain how they became Decepticons

==Trivia==
[[Image:Mixmasterbutt.JPG|right|thumb|95px|Feels like I'm wearing nothing at all!]]
*Mixmaster follows the true construction tradition of showing his buttcrack.
*Mixmaster calls himself Mix, because he thinks the name Mixmaster is too long.

{{charstub}}
[[Category: Animated characters]]
[[Category: Constructicons]]
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Mixmaster (Animated)

2008-05-18T07:33:28Z

82.17.140.55: I seen the episode on youtube, I have the information

{{disambig3|Mixmaster}}
:''Mixmaster is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

'''Mixmaster''' (nicknamed "Mix") is one of the [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicons]].

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Jeff Bennett]] (English)
Mix is short and bulky and has his mixing barrel in his chest. He also has a handlebar 'stache—seriously. Though technically the 'stache-sideburn combo is referred to as "friendly mutton-chops".

In his first appearance, [[Scrapper (Animated)]] and Mixmaster were brought to life by allspark Energy, They don't know themselves so they got names by reading the words like Mixmaster's name was on him and Scrapper read a sign that said Scrap and he chose that name with a per. They managed to transform and Then they saw a red car and thought it was another transformer and they went after it. They Later saved [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] from being destroyed by falling metal stick thingys. Bulkhead became friends with them and he introduce them to the rest of the Autobots and they were having a good messy time there.

The Next Morning, They save [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] from Being smashed into pieces when he was putting a heavy load, they said they were Constructobots, a subgroup of autobots and Blitzwing thought these two may come in handy.

When he, Lugnut and the still confused Constructobots finally went into megatron's cave HQ, Lugnut was about to destroy them but Megatron used them to steal the metal stick thingys and Bulkhead manages to stop them and he told them Decepticons were evil and bad and then they disposed the stick thingys (On to Bulhead without noticing) and went of to tell megatron

When The Constructobots managed to get to Megatron's cave, They wanted a word with him. Inside, Megatron thought Constructobts was a dumb name so hchanged the name by removing "Obot" and Added in "icon" for Constructicons

Back in Autobot HQ, The Constructicons came back and this time, they want the allspark, Bulkhead hands in over and they congradulate him and Move off, when they were running, Mixmaster was feeling somethinf funny in his belly and the same thing happened to scrapper and then KABOOM, But they were not destroyed except their memory circults were smashed and they don't know who were the autobots and bulkhead pretends to hurt them and then they transformed and rolled out.

Still doesn't explain how they became Decepticons

{{coming soon}}

==Trivia==
[[Image:Mixmasterbutt.JPG|right|thumb|95px|Feels like I'm wearing nothing at all!]]
*Mixmaster follows the true construction tradition of showing his buttcrack.
*Mixmaster calls himself Mix, because he thinks the name Mixmaster is too long.

{{charstub}}
[[Category: Animated characters]]
[[Category: Constructicons]]
[[Category: Decepticons]]<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Scrapper (Animated)

2008-05-18T07:31:34Z

82.17.140.55: I seen the episode on youtube, I have the information

{{disambig3|Scrapper}}
:''Scrapper is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Scrapperanimated.jpg|right|thumb|150px|He needs a hug.]]
'''Scrapper''' is one of the [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicons]].

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Tom Kenny]] (English)

In his first appearance, Scrapper and [[Mixmaster]] were brought to life by allspark Energy, They don't know themselves so they got names by reading the words like Mixmaster's name was on him and Scrapper read a sign that said Scrap and he chose that name with a per. They managed to transform and Then they saw a red car and thought it was another transformer and they went after it. They Later saved [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] from being destroyed by falling metal stick thingys. Bulkhead became friends with them and he introduce them to the rest of the Autobots and they were having a good messy time there.

The Next Morning, They save [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] from Being smashed into pieces when he was putting a heavy load, they said they were Constructobots, a subgroup of autobots and Blitzwing thought these two may come in handy.

When he, Lugnut and the still confused Constructobots finally went into megatron's cave HQ, Lugnut was about to destroy them but Megatron used them to steal the metal stick thingys and Bulkhead manages to stop them and he told them Decepticons were evil and bad and then they disposed the stick thingys (On to Bulhead without noticing) and went of to tell megatron

When The Constructobots managed to get to Megatron's cave, They wanted a word with him. Inside, Megatron thought Constructobts was a dumb name so hchanged the name by removing "Obot" and Added in "icon" for Constructicons

Back in Autobot HQ, The Constructicons came back and this time, they want the allspark, Bulkhead hands in over and they congradulate him and Move off, when they were running, Mixmaster was feeling somethinf funny in his belly and the same thing happened to scrapper and then KABOOM, But they were not destroyed except their memory circults were smashed and they don't know who were the autobots and bulkhead pretends to hurt them and then they transformed and rolled out.

Still doesn't explain how they became Decepticons

{{charstub}}

[[Category: Animated characters]]
[[Category: Constructicons]]
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Scrapper (Animated)

2008-05-18T07:30:41Z

82.17.140.55: /* Animated cartoon */

{{disambig3|Scrapper}}
:''Scrapper is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Scrapperanimated.jpg|right|thumb|150px|He needs a hug.]]
'''Scrapper''' is one of the [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicons]].

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Tom Kenny]] (English)

In his first appearance, Scrapper and Mixmaster were brought to life by allspark Energy, They don't know themselves so they got names by reading the words like Mixmaster's name was on him and Scrapper read a sign that said Scrap and he chose that name with a per. They managed to transform and Then they saw a red car and thought it was another transformer and they went after it. They Later saved [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] from being destroyed by falling metal stick thingys. Bulkhead became friends with them and he introduce them to the rest of the Autobots and they were having a good messy time there.

The Next Morning, They save [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] from Being smashed into pieces when he was putting a heavy load, they said they were Constructobots, a subgroup of autobots and Blitzwing thought these two may come in handy.

When he, Lugnut and the still confused Constructobots finally went into megatron's cave HQ, Lugnut was about to destroy them but Megatron used them to steal the metal stick thingys and Bulkhead manages to stop them and he told them Decepticons were evil and bad and then they disposed the stick thingys (On to Bulhead without noticing) and went of to tell megatron

When The Constructobots managed to get to Megatron's cave, They wanted a word with him. Inside, Megatron thought Constructobts was a dumb name so hchanged the name by removing "Obot" and Added in "icon" for Constructicons

Back in Autobot HQ, The Constructicons came back and this time, they want the allspark, Bulkhead hands in over and they congradulate him and Move off, when they were running, Mixmaster was feeling somethinf funny in his belly and the same thing happened to scrapper and then KABOOM, But they were not destroyed except their memory circults were smashed and they don't know who were the autobots and bulkhead pretends to hurt them and then they transformed and rolled out.

Still doesn't explain how they became Decepticons

{{charstub}}

[[Category: Animated characters]]
[[Category: Constructicons]]
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Scrapper (Animated)

2008-05-18T07:27:47Z

82.17.140.55: /* Animated cartoon */

{{disambig3|Scrapper}}
:''Scrapper is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Scrapperanimated.jpg|right|thumb|150px|He needs a hug.]]
'''Scrapper''' is one of the [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicons]].

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Tom Kenny]] (English)

In his first appearance, Scrapper and Mixmaster were brought to life by allspark Energy, They don't know themselves so they got names by reading the words like Mixmaster's name was on him and Scrapper read a sign that said Scrap and he chose that name with a per. They managed to transform and Then they saw a red car and thought it was another transformer and they went after it. They Later saved [[Bulkhead (animated)|Bulkhead]] from being destroyed by falling metal stick thingys. Bulkhead became friends with them and he introduce them to the rest of the Autobots and they were having a good messy time there.

The Next Morning, They save [[Blitzwing (animated)|Blitzwing]] from Being smashed into pieces when he was putting a heavy load, they said they were Constructobots, a subgroup of autobots and Blitzwing thought these two may come in handy.

When he, Lugnut and the still confused Constructobots finally went into megatron's cave HQ, Lugnut was about to destroy them but Megatron used them to steal the metal stick thingys and Bulkhead manages to stop them and he told them Decepticons were evil and bad and then they disposed the stick thingys (On to Bulhead without noticing) and went of to tell megatron

When The Constructobots managed to get to Megatron's cave, They wanted a word with him. Inside, Megatron thought Constructobts was a dumb name so hchanged the name by removing "Obot" and Added in "icon" for Constructicons

Back in Autobot HQ, The Constructicons came back and this time, they want the allspark, Bulkhead hands in over and they congradulate him and Move off, when they were running, Mixmaster was feeling somethinf funny in his belly and the same thing happened to scrapper and then KABOOM, But they were not destroyed except their memory circults were smashed and they don't know who were the autobots and bulkhead pretends to hurt them and then they transformed and rolled out.

Still doesn't explain how they became Decepticons

{{charstub}}

[[Category: Animated characters]]
[[Category: Constructicons]]
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Talk:Main Page

2008-05-15T15:47:13Z

82.17.140.55: /* Funny */

THE FUNNY STAYS.
-The Management

__TOC__

Please use this talk page for discussion about the [[Main Page]].

To discuss site-wide policies, please visit [[Transformers Wiki Talk:Community Portal|the Community Portal talk page]].

==Archives==
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive1|Archive1]]
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive2|Archive2]]

== The Funny ==

Maybe if the stuff you said was funny, no one would have a problem with it, but most of the jokes on here are pretty lame, it's not about transformers fans being serious, it's about your jokes being bad. When other people try to put there humor in it, you erase it. Sooooo make the jokes funny and you wont have to worry about it. Besides the Real Wikipedia has more information on transformers than the one dedicated to transformers have, what gives. Maybe before you work on your lame jokes you can fill out the information on the article. Sorry just what I think about it, don't take to much offence. {{unsigned|67.140.110.210}}

:Humor is subjective. Pesonally, I consider most of the jokes on this site to be neutral. They are clearly trying to be silly, but neither funny nor painful. They merely lighten the tone. Users who show up here and do nothing but change jokes into different jokes are clearly not accomplishing anything. The new jokes are never any better -- they are merely different, and often worse. That is a waste of everybody's time. I haven't spent a lot of time browsing Transformers material on Wikipedia, but I highly doubt that their information is ''better'', even if there might be a larger quantity of it. What little I've seen there has been disorganized, mixes fan assertions with canon, and is at times not even reliable. ''If'' they have more information than we do, it is only because people have been adding TF info there for at least twice as long as this specialized wiki has existed. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

::Yep, this wiki is a far more reliable source of information for Transformers than the Wikipedia shall ever be. I've corrected some of their base assumptions and half-truths upon occassion. If we lack information for something, '''then feel free to contribute''' to our wiki or wait for one of us to get around to it. Really, what the Wikipedia offers is rather generalised information and (as steve-o points out) fan-assumed fanon and downright false information. Besides, we provide the Transformers info that the users on the wikipedia either don't know or won't bother with, such as info on the toys, their designers, toy construction materials, obscure series and/or characters and so on.
:: And yes, we think captioning a picture of say, Megatron with 'Art of Megatron' or some such is really patronising. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I, as a fellow Transformer fan, agree that "the funny" is lame.

One time I tried to change [[Nautilator]]'s bio; stating that he carries a powerful weapon, transforms INTO a powerful weapon, and is an undersea version of [[Constructicon]] [[Scavager]]. But none of that went through.

I'm sensing "the bias" here.

[http://www.geocities.com/tenou_clock/ Tyrenol]

:''I, as a fellow Transformer fan, agree that "the funny" is lame.'' 
: Some of it is certainly very very lame. If you would like to raise the level of humor here, then A) become a regular and respected contributor of useful non-funny stuff, ''then'' B) improve the funny. What we most strongly object to is newcomers who contribute ''nothing'' except changes to the humor. Changing the funny is an earned privilege. [[User:JW|JW]] 19:44, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::'''Tyrenol:''' Your [[Nautilator (G1)|Nautilator]] bio was, as far as I can tell, at best [[fanon]] or at worst fan fiction. Steve-o (an admin) points out that your edit had nothing to do with the established Hasbro toy bio. Despite our humour and over-the-top references to a character's foibles, we base what we write on official material approved by Hasbro/Takara.

::That's not 'bias', that's the rules.

:::Okay, then. Here's another idea: How about you guys use the exact wording from the bios as oppose to just sticking stuff in and thinking that everyone else will agree with its hilariousness.

:::Besides; I have two problems with anything Wiki. 1) Things don't stay changed when they get changed. Annoyances like needed citations and reliable sources that have a problem staying reliable. 2) I have a life to live, a job to pay for where I live, and I really don't have the time to watch everything on the web like a cold-stare hawk.

:::My apologies for being new. My apologies for calling your jokes lame. But what is everybody doing on the web when they can't take the sharp, cold knife in the back that's called "criticism?" The same rules apply for me. [http://www.geocities.com/tenou_clock/ Tyrenol]

::::We have a specific policy AGAINST cut-and-pasting from bios, one of many reasons being that those are a) copyrighted and b) not always applicable. After all, Shockwave sure wasn't anything like his toy bio in the cartoon. Character overviews on this resource are "all-encompassing", in order to reflect changes and evolutions in the character. And what do you do when a character -like, say, Optimus Prime- has several dozen bios over the course of 20 years?
::::Maybe you should apologize for playing the "I have a life" card that screams "I have no actual argument so I'll imply you all are losers". And don't confuse "whinging" with "criticism", or "disagreeing with" as "can't take it". This argument has come up with many an anon IP who is more interested in fighting a long-established precedent for this wiki which has garnered far more positive attention than negative than they are in contributing, and if they didn't change thing one about it, neither will you. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]]

::As for humour being lame, let me ask you a question: Do you wander onto privately-run Tranformers fan sites and message boards, see something you don't like (that isn't necessarily offensive) and proceed to tell off the admins for how they run their website? Much of the reason the wiki is the way it is is because the people who run this wiki and the majority of regular contributors have a sense of humour. I find it odd that newcomers will question our policies as if they claim some sort of ownership over the wiki, yet have contributed little to it. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

:I'm a newcomer, but I have to admit that the policies regarding jokes ''prevent'' unfair bias, if anything. Additionally, it helps newcomers achieve a sense of ownership. Maybe we don't all get the lame obscure reference on [[Special:Random|whatever]] page, but whoever put it there probably thinks it's hilarious! Thanks to the established policies he/she doesn't need to worry about someone replacing it with another, equally-lame obscure reference. --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 19:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

::Make jokes and be merry. My message to any readers is if you get offended by jokes, then you take Transformers way too seriously :-D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:01, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

:::haha... Transformers too seriously?! ''Only'' five of my nine open browser tabs are occupied with something Transformers related right now. If that's not moderation, then I don't know what is! ...but yes, if your reason for being put-off is a bent sense of humor, then you're probably in in the wrong place! --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 18:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
::::I thought the Ladiesman217 article was funny. Needed some fixing for the caption with the police car. It's not funny.

When I read these articles for information, and some stupid joke gets thrown in, it really throws my thought process off. I'm sure it's that way for a lot of people too. Don't forget you're writing this for other people and it's not a good idea to screw with them, or whatever [[User:FartboyExtreme|FartboyExtreme]] 03:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
:For every person that hates the joking and non-serious nature of the wiki, there's somebody else that loves it. If people can't hack the humour, well I'm sorry, but that's your problem. As for writing this for other people, I contribute to this wiki for the sheer pleasure of having fun with my stupid toy & cartoon hobby, not out of some obligation or duty to provide an encyclopedia for the fandom. As far as I am concerned, so long as we are accurate and detailed, we can also make light of our hobby. -[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
::I think there needs to be some rules on where the jokes can be. I personally don't mind them when they're in image captions and such, but I think in the middle of a paragraph isn't very appropriate. Know what I mean? [[User:FartboyExtreme|FartboyExtreme]] 21:01, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Could you provide an example of "middle of the paragraph" humor where you find it inappropriate?
:::Also, just a note: It's hard to take you seriously with that username. [[User:JW|JW]] 21:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
::::I think he's talking about things like my edits to [[Sparkplug Witwicky]]'s cartoon section where I said the Autobots saved the oil rig workers "from a death exactly the same as death", or references to characters freaking out.
::::As for establishing rules to prevent people from placing jokes within paragraphs, I highly doubt that will come to pass as most of the regular contributors and the administration staff write in this manner. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:28, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::Seriously, people saying BAWWW WIKI NOT SERIOUS ENOUGH irritates the fuck out of me. I'm sorry our little collection of information about giant toy space robots isn't serious enough for you. Maybe you should go read a Serious Encyclopedia, like the one dedicated to Everything The Goddamn Ewoks Ever Did. That's a serious topic worthy of intense consideration, and it should be treated with the respect it deserves. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:49, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::People with names like ''FartboyExtreme'' complaining that the wiki isn't serious enough set off my bullshit meter something fierce.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:13, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::: That comment about writing this for other people really shit me up the wall. I was not aware I was doing this wiki as my job. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:07, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

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==Featured Article for October==

So...are we ever going to change the featured article? It's been Megatron for, like, two months now. [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] 03:58, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
:It depends on what the management thinks is complete enough in terms of length and content. I think Movie Prime's article should be given a go since October will be the month of the DVD release in the US and the article is more or less complete. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:14, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
:How about something other than a character page?--[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 12:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
::I nominate Sector Seven, because the article is fairly thorough, references a lot of material, and will be useful to the fans directed here who liked the movie but haven't read all the minor, wacky background material. That article is still listed as a "Stub," though as with a great many "stubs" on this wiki I kind of don't see why. It could be made ''longer'', like all of them, but it's not like it's missing anything critical or is just a halfassed paragraph. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:33, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
:::I think we should make articles for Rebecca Howard and Alexander Powers before we feature it, since they're pretty important to the ARG storyline, which, as you said, is the wacky background material 99% of people would never seen or heard of. Plus they're linked right at the start of the article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:41, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

By the way when it comes doing the most wanted page list means I will do it but someone must back me up when I go do yardwork.(Spearhead 08:03, 7 October 2007 (UTC))

Sweet zombie Jesus, the Featured Article changed!!! I think I may faint! ...But one request: Please don't change it back to [[Megatron_%28G1%29|Megatron]] in November! --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 15:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Nice going guys. You finally got rid of Megatron... and then replaced him with Primal Prime, who's been on for three months. Either someone tell me how to change that article, or ''please'' replace it with something new--how about Optimus Prime's G1 toys? [[User:Crosshairs-1|"MovieMan"]] 11:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)Crosshairs-1

When will the page be changed? It's been Jihaxus for so long now. [[User:JimCappuccino|JimCappuccino]] 20:07, 12 May 2008 (UTC)JimCappuccino

== "By series" column is missing... ==

"Comics" for Beast Wars.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 13:51, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== Just a little question... ==

Is there anywhere I can find a NON parody wiki? - Anonymous

: Right here? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:31, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:wikipedia--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 19:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
::But their TF pages suck. So dry and boring and light on content and all Mignashy. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:35, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Mostly the Mignashy part. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Wikipedia Transformers stuff is full on content! It's just all made up. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:59, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't think you understand the meaning of "parody", Mister Anonymous. "It has humor in it" is not what parody entails. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah, plus beneath our bad captions and jokes there's a wealth of information you will not likely find anywhere else, at least not all in one place. I think people are too used to the "[insert franchise] is ''Serious Business''" natures of the large, dry wikis like Memory Alpha and the Star Wars Wiki. That or they are unable to laugh at Transformers because they take it too seriously. Or they think this entire wiki is written solely by Walky, and since they hate Walky, they hate the wiki. Those last people suck. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:58, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

== Logo--Good Wiki!==
Hi guys!!! This is a very creative wiki! But I am not keen on the logo. Right now is: [[Image:wiki.png]] 
{{unsigned|Thatkidjasper}}

:Please sign your posts to talk pages by typing four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) at the end.
:Also, you'll have more luck getting us to change our logo if you spend a few months as a regular contributor, first. [[User:JW|JW]] 19:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

How do u put your logo on the upper left?--[[User:Farragut79|Farragut79]] 14:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

== Caps? ==

Do we want to implement sabrblade's suggestion of replacing

(toyline/cartoon/comic)

with

(Toyline/Cartoon/Comic)

. . . ? Personally, I think it makes the page look more cluttered. [[User:JW|JW]] 22:07, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:Well, I just thought it would make it look a little neater. I didn't mean anything by it. I also thought it would make more sense to change "comic" to "comics" under Generation 1 and Beast Wars since they both had more than one comic series. I also put a "comic" link under Beast Machines that goes to the Wreckers comic since that ''is'' a Beast Machines comic series. And I thought "comics" should be "comic" under Animated since so far it only had one comic series that we know of. And "Sequel" was already put under Transformers (2007), since I saw that it was capitalized, that's what gave me the idea to capitalize the rest. But I see that someone erased "Sequel" from the main page. [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:11, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

== Putting Headmasters/Masterforce/Victory links in the "by series" column ==

Would anyone object if I put bulleted links for Headmaster/Masterforce/Victory in the "by series" column? I acknowledge that the series are linked under G1 articles, but it's arguable that they are not "true G1", but rather a non-canonical branch of that continuity.

For example:
* ''[[Generation 1]]'' ([[Generation 1 (toyline)|toyline]]/[[Generation 1 (cartoon)|cartoon]]/[[Generation 1 (comic)|comic]])
** ''[[Headmasters]]''
** ''[[Masterforce]]''
** ''[[Victory]]''
* ''[[Generation 2]]'' ([[Generation 2 (toyline)|toyline]]/[[Generation 2 (cartoon)|cartoon]]/[[Generation 2 (Marvel comic)|comic]])

And yes, I am a newb and I know that that impacts the consideration of my suggestion.

[[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 00:34, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:Headmasters/Masterforce/Victory ARE true, canonical G1, but I think the main page list is long enough already without us lengthening it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:37, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::I don't really have a problem with it, but yeah it would make the list longer too much. Besides, you forgot Zone, Battlestars, and Operation: Combination. [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 00:50, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::1) I don't want to be combative, but can ItsWalky support the G1-canon assertion? Only the hardcore fanbase is familiar with the Japanese series. If these shows are G1, then why don't the G1 cartoon/comic/toy pages consistently contain info about those toys? For instance, the G1 toy page doesn't list the Japan-series-exclusive toys.
:::2) Each Japanese series has its own toyline/comic/cartoon links in this wiki. It only seems proper to list them here.
:::3) I disagree that this would make the list too long.
:::4) I'm afraid I don't know enough about Zone/Battlestars/Op:Com. Time to surf some more...
:::[[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 00:57, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::In Transformers, and by the standards of this wiki, everything that is approved by Hasbro or Takara is canon. Without exception. It does not matter whether you have seen it or not. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:02, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::ItsWalky, do you have any non-length-related objection? [[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 01:29, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well, ItsWalky, since you're not buyin' his idea, how about this then. Make a drop-down list for all the JG1 series drop under the Generation 1 text by pressing a [+] button, ya know like the ones seen in Category pages and such. Does that sound okay? And maybe one to drop under Beast Wars for Beast Wars II and Neo? [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:34, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I am really not sure how we would jigger a collapsible continuity tree list. I would assume though if anyone knew how to accomplish this it would involve some sort of sinister faustian bargain with the fount of Dark Science that is [[User:Derik|Derik]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 01:42, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:Or we could just implement my suggestion. Problem solved! [[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 01:49, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::Not quite. You say, "put them on the list," he says, "no, it'll be too long," I say "compromise, a drop-down list '''if it's possible'''" [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 02:17, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::If we include the various Japanese G1 franchises we would also need to include Battle For the Spark, Unicron Battles, Powerlinx Battles, Primus Unleashed and Allspark Battles. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:53, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::None of those are quite the seperate, distinct entity that the Japanese lines mentioned are. BftS, etc. are sublines of their respective ongoing lines. Masterforce, Victory, etc. are mainlines themselves, with the only higher hierarchy level being "Transformers", or arguably "Transformers Japan".
::::I think the list is long enough. The Japanese series are all linked too off of the summary [[Generation 1]] page. A collapsible list would probably uglify the aesthetic table we have in place, to say nothing of the technical difficulties to make it work. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 05:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::'''Then it follows that some work should be done to include the japanese-exclusive toys from these series in the G1 toys pages, and include the japan-manga for these series in the G1 comics pages. Do you all think that is appropriate? The way I see it, these series are either within G1 (for the wiki), or they aren't. Right now it seems like they halfway are.'''[[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 16:40, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:Yay, I'm faustian! You have no idea how happy that makes me.
:Unfortunately, a quick investigation tells me that Wikia does not come equipped with any of the table-collapse scripts found on Wikipedia (they have custom ones for the table of contents and category trees, but they aren't cross-adaptable.) It ''might'' be possible to install one of them purely in the Monobook.js file we can edit (I feel like there might be PHP integration, which we can't) but even then the scripts are very limited, and don't do quite what we want.
:Wikipedia has generally be very, very distrustful of implementing those kind of drop-downs because of compatibility issues. Making Javascript a fundamental part of your site's navigation is bad because if someone turns it off or cripples its functions to suppress annoying ads... thennt his site ceases to function.
:So, while a drop-down may be ''possible'' with considerable effort, it brings entailed problems that would seem to outweigh any benefits it delivers. Without a more compelling application for a drop-down, I wouldn't be interested in even ''trying'' to get it working. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:18, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::Uh, I'm sorry, I don't know how I totally missed this conversation. The javascript that Derik describes here is not only not hard to do, but it's actually phenomenally easy. The only question is would it LOOK good on the page; I assure you, the technical end is not an issue.

::If anyone still cares. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:21, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

:Let me draw your attention to my bolded post above... Any comments? [[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 00:41, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think we care enough about those series to list them. We prefer to mock them. List is too long, anyway. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:50, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

==Weird Wikia Spotlight image==
Is it just me or is that Autobot symbol Wikia is using to Spotlight our site an unofficial fan-made version? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:55, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's... pretty lame. You'd think they could have grabbed one of the ones here in the wiki. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 09:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::God fucking dammit. That's Neale's erroneous font, with the three hash-marks per forehead instead of two. I will not allow this. Who do I yell at? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:45, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:I never thought an Autobrand could look so angry...-- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:05, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

:How to fix the image:
:1. make new image using official Autobot sigil from... anywhere
:2. go [[w:Image:Transformers-monaco.gif|here]].
:3. upload new image
:4. ???
:5. PROFIT!!! --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
::Man that is pretty dang shitty. Why does Wikia keep trying to make logos '''for''' us?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:00, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I have done my level best to try to turn our masthead into a little spotlight image there.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:15, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:::[[w:Image:Transformers120.png|Here]], actually. And done. Thank God. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:58, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
::::Wow, much better! :D --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 09:14, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Walky, I [[W:Image:Transformers125.png|found another one]], I assume you have a larger original file that you can replace it with?. Hopefully they didn't make anymore, because that fake Autobot symbol is fucking awful. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:45, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

:Hi, guys -- I'm sorry that you didn't like the spotlight image, and I'm glad that you made your own. [[w:Image:Transformers-monaco.gif|This one]] is terrific; much better than the other one.

:If you guys ever have any concerns (or complaints) about the spotlights or any kind of promotional stuff, please let me know... We're trying to support you and your wiki, and obviously we don't want to do anything that you don't like. Teletraan I is an awesome wiki, and I want to make sure that lots of people know about it.

:So... I'm the person you yell at. And also, hopefully, I'm the person that you can come to with ideas about how to make your site better. Let me know what you think. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 06:10, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

::Hi, at least speaking for myself, we're not actually that angry... I think :) Just that the fake Autobot symbol has some minor controversy surrounding it ever since it was accidently used by [[IDW Publishing]] for one of their [[Stormbringer issue 1|early Transformers comics]]. Plus, we try to keep on the good side of Hasbro by using their approved logos and such. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:10, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

:::Thank you for the response - and the desire to promote our wiki. I'd agree with FFN that there's not much actual anger here, and any dissatisfaction is easily remedied. Just let us know whenever you want to run any promos, and we'll cook up whatever imagery and so forth you need. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:28, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

::::Okay, cool. We're going to be building up an Entertainment-hub wiki pretty soon, and I may take you up on that offer. :) It's going to take us a little bit to figure out how to do it, but the idea is to have a place where people can promote their wiki, show off a bit, and make connections with other wiki people. It should be fun. I'll let you guys know when it goes up... -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 23:35, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

==Death becomes you==

Why not add a section relating to death in Transformers (character deaths, permanence etc) with a special section for the way Optimus' pop their clogs...a lot[[User:GWolfv2]]
:We have [[The many deaths of Optimus Prime]]. An article on [[Death]] in general might not be amiss. [[User:JW|JW]] 13:26, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
::Well, I started it. It's very slim, cause I'm sure there's people out there more informed then me. I'll try and add what I can once a style is put in place [[User:GWolfv2]]

== april fools day plans ==

i recomend that for april fools day we lock the main page and save a copy of some of the longest/most important pages[[User:81.108.233.59|81.108.233.59]] 16:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:No real need to save a copy. Wiki software archives older versions automatically.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:23, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:And, the main page is already semiprotected. [[User:JW|JW]] 16:26, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

==Shift from movie to Animated?==
I'm just thinking that maybe the frontpage's "highlight" should change from the TF movie, which is well wound-down, to Animated, which is new and big and running full-steam. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:04, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
: Sure. That seems like an easy change... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:19, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

== Featured article ==

We have had the same thing there for like 50 years{{unsigned|Human in Disguise|02:22, 7 April 2008}}
:Not really. Jhiaxus was only made a Featured Article on March 2, 2008.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::With 6k articles, maybe we could switch the featured article every month?[[User:Spriteless|Spriteless]] 05:45, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:::We try to when we can, but usually that involves a big push to improve the given article to featured article standards.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

== front tf page ==

i hate april fool pranks on my fave tf front page -dr
:What? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

== Funny ==
I think we should remove the funny nes on the page, If it stays, It will sound like a child has being messing up this place and Other people will think it doesn't make sense. [[User:Black rhino ranger|Black rhino ranger]] 09:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:You're going to find yourself in the minority regarding this opinion.--[[User:Suzyprime|Suzyprime]] 13:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, Ranger, people are more likely to think this wiki "doesn't make sense" if it's edited by people who can't spell, conjugate, or use capital letters correctly. [[User:JW|JW]] 18:37, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Who made this again. [[User:Black rhino ranger|Black rhino ranger]] 19:55, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:If that's a question, I don't understand it. [[User:JW|JW]] 20:33, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

But we should Make the images Info not funny, Transformers is ment to be serious, not funny. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 15:47, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

==Search==
So, uh, what happened to the ability to type something into the text box, click "search," and not have it take me directly to a page, but give me a list of pages the term appears in instead? There is no search button on the front page! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:For as long as I've used the wiki, the Search function has only done that for me if what I've typed didn't match the title of any article exactly. As for the front page, I still see the Search box. I don't know if it makes a difference, but I'm using the Monaco skin.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:12, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::That doesn't match my experiences. I could type in "Megatron," click Search, and then it'd give me a list of pages that mention "Megatron" in the body of the text. It was very useful. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::On the topic of the Monaco skin, can we get some admin feedback on the Monaco skin discussion, please? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::To be sure, yes, that would be useful. As it is, now you'd have to type something like "Megatron's" or "Megatron" and another word to get similar results. And yeah, I've seen notices for the admins from [[User:Toughpigs|Toughpigs]] asking for feedback and wondered when that was going to be resolved.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:Regarding the search box - typing something into the box and hitting "enter," or clicking "go," is the option that takes you directly to the page with the title you've typed. Typing something into the box and actually clicking the button marked "search" is the option that brings up a list of stuff containing the term, and that's the button we appear to have lost here (although on my screen at least, it's coming and going intermittently, but that's probably a browser cache thing). I've not got the Monaco skin on, but regarding that, I rather like it, and I'd like to see it implimented. There's something very "bare bones" about our set up here, and of course, I know that we kinda have that as a show of "not taking everything too seriously," but I'd personally like to see the Monaco skin in use. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::The same function is in the "Advanced Search" link. Am I the only one who sees it or something? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:17, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Cripes, I can't insert a comment before three more jump in before me. No, there's definitely no Search button visible in the Monaco skin as I'm using it, just an arrow with a magnifying glass icon in it (the equivalent of the "Go" button, obviously). I see the "Advanced search" link too, but it doesn't offer quite the same function, in that it doesn't default to the "all text occurrences" option. Rather, you have to choose settings to get that. Not a terrible extra step, but still...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 18:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I see the advanced search link. I also ''REALLY LIKE'' the new 'random page image link' above the search box. Who do I have to thank for that? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I put it in, but it was Siph's idea. Breaking the "Search" button under non-Monaco themes was also my doing, I'm afraid; I was a little zealous with putting in a more useful search and it didn't quite work. It should be back in a day or two. I somehow totally missed any discussion on Monaco coming up; I'll get to commenting on that. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 19:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Primarily Wookieepedia for the idea, Blitz for the implementation, and I suppose me for harraunging her about it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::A random page on search function is really a good idea because that would make us know about more characters. By the way, I think there still need a normal ''search button'' in the original place . :D --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 01:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Then I thank you guys for it. '''IF''' we switch to Monaco, is there any way to do a similar function with that skin? I think the function is very helpful for newcomers to the wiki (and Transformers in general) for they don't have to look through lists of names or randomly search for things. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:17, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I don't think it'd be too hard. If we ''do'' switch to Monaco, there'd need to be some changes done to the search box anyway, since under that, there's no "search" button. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
: Is there a way to make the search image load earlier? Right now it's the very last thing to load; even the flash ads come up earlier. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:: The short answer is no, unfortunately. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Why does the bar show pictures of random characters, but when you go to their pages they have no visual representation? [[User:90.198.228.42|90.198.228.42]] 20:28, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:Because... I don't know really. I don't know why the powers-at-be chose to create these little search pictures for characters that have no pictures. One would think if they had a reasonably sized image to create the search button picture, they could have uploaded the full size image for the page itself. And/or create searchbox pic-links for characters that DO have decent visual representation AND largely completed articles. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
==Familial relationships==

Should we put something up, relating to the idea of siblings or such[[User:GWolfv2]]
:See [[Relatives]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Redesigning the front page ==

Now that the Monaco skin is the default, and Toughpigs is around to help us out, I suggest we figure out a way to redesign the front page so it isn't just a columns of text. Is there any reasonable way for us to have the franchises in the By Series (or anywhere else, really) represented by the franchise logos? The logos can be as recognisable as the names alone, and given we're getting more and more visitors every day, it would be helpful to make the place more visually pleasing and more user-friendly. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:30, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:I think that's still a [[Talk:Main_Page/Archive2#Logos_for_.27By_series.27_column|bad idea]]. The logos were never designed to look good together, and some (like the 2007 movie) are anti-informative. If you can present a design that somehow makes it work, please do. But I don't see how the new skin changes the basic problems. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:56, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::I tend to think the Main Page and its columns of text are just fine as is. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:04, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::Also, wouldn't it perhaps be best to wait a few days for everyone to get home from BotCon before starting a discussion on more major changes like this? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Didn't stop Toughpigs redesigning the whole Wiki... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:18, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Toughpigs has been touting the switch to Monaco for quite some time, and he only finally got the nod from an admin just before BotCon.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:22, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Just wanted to say I love the new look.

===Ad bar issues with Monaco?===
I don't know if it's just me, but trying to load the Wiki in Firefox results in it loading everything up to the adserver stuff, and then Firefox proceeds to hang the fuck up, completely use up all available memory, and force me to kill it through Task Manager. It's kind of a pain in the ass.(I'm using explorer right now) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:I've had no troubles with Firefox 2, nor Firefox 3 beta 5.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:37, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

== Improvement Drive ==
I have no idea how long the "Improvement Drive" column has been there, but it's a great idea, content-wise. However, IMO the links it contains should really be a permanent part of the Help/Start Here column. It's the kind of thing I was talking about [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#.22First_go_here.21__Next_go_here..22 a while ago]. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

== Main "Transformers Animated" image ==

It really ought to be clickable. Unfortunately, [[:Template:Click]] currently doesn't actually let you center an image-- it probably needs to be rewritten at some point. Unless someone else volunteers, this is mostly just a reminder to myself. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:53, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:Someone just did that and now the link messes up the main page by covering the links to "Comics", "Generation 1", "(toyline/cartoon/comic)", "Generation 2", and "Help contents". Ugh, it was better off the way it was before. Besides, there was a link to the Animated franchise below the giant logo. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::What poor excuse for a browser are you using? The TFA logo is ''above'' all that stuff. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 23:35, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::The image is, but the link is stretching down over the ones below it. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm using Firefox, and the link ends WAY before that. I have no troubles whatsoever. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 00:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Sabrblade, to repeat- "What browser are you using?" -[[Special:Contributions/75.168.112.43|75.168.112.43]] 01:35, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Internet Explorer 7 is my browser on this particular computer (I use at least three different ones). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 20:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well ''there's'' your problem. IE doesn't follow correct HTML protocol, and each version has a different way of not following it. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:19, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Just realized I'm having the same problem, using Firefox. The link to [[Transformers Animated (franchise)]] from the image is like, bleeding down or something, covering up some of the links below it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:43, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Well, is there any other browser besides Internet Explorer and Firefox that doesn't have the problem? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

=="TF dates"?==
Something else Wookiepedia does on its frontpage we... might want to look at stealing... Putting up a "__/__/__: _____ was released" history box. I dunno. It would only be for like comic books, DVDs, TV episodes, street-release-date toys, etc. Though I dunno if TF really has enough... stuff to do that with. I dunno. Idle thought. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Wheeljack (G1)

2008-05-15T15:40:26Z

82.17.140.55: /* American cartoon continuity */

{{disambig3|Wheeljack}}
:''Wheeljack is an [[Autobot]] in the [[Generation 1]] continuity family.''

[[Image:Wheeljackg1.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Optimus Prime! I built a machine that builds machines that build catapults! Come see 'em!...Yeah, we can wait for Ratchet.]]

'''Wheeljack''' is his own worst enemy. Something of a crackpot inventor, a good half of his creations blow up in his face, and that's just if he's lucky. He's simultaneously one of the Autobots' greatest assets and problems; for every successful gadget he builds, there's one which requires [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] or [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] to put him (and his lab) back together. But once in a while he strikes gold, which has won him respect from even the Decepticons.

He is, however, not a [[Perceptor (G1)|complete nerd.]] As good as he is in the lab, Wheeljack is just as amazing on the road, since there're few stunts he can't pull off. He enjoys showing off both on the design table and on the streets.

:''French-Canadian name:'' '''Invento''', '''Cric''' (as Action Master)
:''Italian name:'' '''Saetta'''
:''Hungarian name:'' '''Kerék''' (Wheel); sometimes '''Kormányos Jack''' (meaning Steering-wheel Jack, Yoho!)
:''Russian TV dub name:'' '''Gonsheek''' ("Racer")

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
{{noteukonly}}

''Following the almost total defeat of the Autobots by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] returned to the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'' and began to reactivate the fallen warriors. Wheeljack was the second Autobot after [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] to be brought back on-line, so that he could aid Ratchet with his technical skills. He saved the Autobots from total destruction by remote-controlling Optimus Prime's deactivated body and using it to intervene in [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'s attempted execution of [[Guardian]], who had been booby-trapped with a nuclear bomb. {{Storylink|The Wrath of Guardian!}}''

To help boost the Autobots' fallen forces, Wheeljack designed new bodies for Grapple, [[Skids]], [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]], [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]], and [[Tracks]], whose minds were stored on the ''Ark'' for such an occasion. {{Storylink|Rock and Roll-Out!}}

''Wheeljack was later an early casualty of a disastrous attack on Galvatron led by acting Autobot Commander [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]], though he was not seriously damaged. {{Storylink|Target 2006}}''

To give the Autobots some air (and [[combiner]]) power, Wheeljack designed the [[Aerialbot]]s, though all but [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]]'s minds were incomplete and they almost killed a human. {{Storylink|Aerialbots over America!}} Wheeljack later had to erase their minds and unfortunately, by this time, [[Bombshell]] had implanted a [[cerebro-shell]] in Optimus that, while not controlling him, allowed the Decepticons to tap into the [[Creation Matrix]] to create the [[Stunticon]]s. {{Storylink|Heavy Traffic!}} It was not directly referenced, but it is assumed that he helped build the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobot]]s as well (which allowed Megatron to create the [[Combaticon]]s).

''Later, he aided Optimus Prime in a plan to temporarily fake his own death, in order to teach the Earth-bound Autobots to learn to cope without him. Wheeljack was the only Autobot Prime told of his plan, probably since Prime needed him to build a [[Facsimile Construct]] in his likeness to be destroyed. When Megatron did destroy the facsimile, even Wheeljack mistakenly believed Prime had been killed. {{Storylink|Prey!}}''

After Optimus Prime died, the Autobots chose Grimlock as their new leader, but things didn't go so well, so Wheeljack called his friend [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] to help deal with the situation. {{Storylink|Spacehikers!}}

Although it wasn't depicted, he was assumed destroyed by the [[Underbase]]-powered [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]. {{Storylink|Dark Star!}} Grimlock eventually revived him with [[Nucleon]], along with the rest of the Autobots' deactivated roster. {{Storylink|On the Edge of Extinction!}} After the defeat of [[Unicron]], Wheeljack mourned the second death of Optimus Prime {{Storylink|Still Life!}} and discovered the betrayal of the Decepticons who sabotaged the Autobot spacecraft before leaving the dying Cybertron. {{Storylink|Exodus!}} Grimlock saved the day again though, providing some stolen Decepticon cruisers. However, when they followed the Decepticons to [[Klo]], the Autobots were ambushed and nearly wiped out. [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] was about to dismember Wheeljack when he was saved by the timely arrival of the reborn Optimus Prime and the [[Neo-Knights]]. {{Storylink|End of the Road! (Marvel US comic)|End of the Road!}}

=====Marvel UK future timelines=====

''Wheeljack survived the battle of [[Autobot City]] in this timeline, but was later strung up by [[Quintesson]]s there in 2008, anyway. He wasn't seen after that, but [[Blaster]] survived the same treatment. {{storylink|Space Pirates!}}''

=====Earthforce=====
{{earthforcefiction}}

''When [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] infiltrated the ''Ark'' to brainwash some new troops, Wheeljack was one of the deactivated Autobots he attempted to control. Wheeljack and the others turned the tables on Galvatron, subjecting him to his own dream bug technology. {{storylink|Perchance to Dream}} Back in action, Wheeljack felt somewhat out of place among the various [[Headmaster]]s and [[Targetmaster]]s and [[Powermaster]]s wandering around the ''Ark'' now. On a scouting mission, he and Prowl grumbled to one another about how they just wanted some good ol' fashioned Decepticons to beat up on. Obligingly, the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]]s [[Mixmaster]] and [[Long Haul]] showed up right then to stop the Autobots from finding out about their evil plans. Thrilled about fighting bad guys who weren't "MicroHeadTargetmasters with a Pretender shell", Wheeljack and Prowl tracked down the Constructicons' leader, Megatron, nearby, and learned of his plans to destroy Earth's atmosphere. {{storylink|Starting Over!}} While Wheeljack distracted [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and the [[Stunticon]]s, Prowl leapt aboard the "atmo rocket" and knocked it off course, saving the planet. {{storylink|Desert Island Risks!}}''

''Fresh from their adventure with old, familiar enemies, Wheeljack and Prowl both joined the new Earthforce team Optimus Prime set up under Grimlock's command. Operating out of a shuttle in the Canadian wilderness, the Autobots began constructing a larger Earthbase on site. Although the location of their base was unknown, the construction-in-progress was open to attack, and so a 24-hour guard watch was arranged. One dark and stormy night, Wheeljack was trying to keep warm on guard duty using a thermo-heating unit from the ship, but it overheated and started smoking on him. He knocked over a table and lamp while trying to shut off the device and attracted the attention of a polar bear, which ended up chasing him back towards the shuttle. To top it all off, he was jumped from behind by [[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)|Skydive]], who had seen all the mess and mistaken Wheeljack for an attacking Decepticon. It was not Wheeljack's best night ever. {{storylink|Mystery!}}''

''When a new thought-activated set of nightlights called [[Sleepfast]] was released to human buyers, Wheeljack got suspicious and tested the little items. He found not only the presence of Cybertronian technology in the devices, but also evidence that the thought-sensitive nightlights would eventually turn on their owners, allowing them to manipulate the humans' minds as well as read them. Wheeljack took [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] to investigate the Sleepfast warehouse, and they ran into the mastermind behind the scheme, [[Mindwipe]]. The Autobots used the thought-activation effect of the Sleepfasts to will all several hundred nightlights on at once, temporarily blinding Mindwipe. {{storylink|The Living Nightlights!}}''

''Finally, Autobot Earthbase was completed, and Wheeljack called the entire team outside to witness his defense grid in action. Prowl was dubious at the lack of obvious protection, and so Wheeljack handed him the activation remote. Once Prowl hit the button, Wheeljack tossed a rock towards the base, where it was instantly obliterated by the retractable laser cannons. When Prowl expressed concern that someone could knock the defense system offline, Wheeljack assured him that once the defense system was activated, it could only be deactivated from a console inside the base. Prowl paused for a minute, took a head count, then turned hesitantly to Wheeljack and asked, "So who's inside with the console NOW...?" ''

''The response? "Oh..."''

''While Prowl and the other Autobots braved the defenses in order to reach the console and turn off the security system, Grimlock grabbed Wheels by the ankle and shook him out upside-down over the snow for good measure. {{storylink|The House That Wheeljack Built!}}''

''When Optimus Prime returned to Earth for an inspection of the new operation, he also brought back [[Tracks]]' body for Wheeljack to reactivate in his Bodyshop. Grimlock was hardly impressed with the idea of bringing the vain and complaining Tracks back to life, and he tried to derail the process. Despite his efforts, though, Wheeljack not only revived Tracks, but Optimus Prime decreed that Tracks would remain with Earthforce instead of going back on the ''Ark'' with him. {{storylink|Makin' Tracks!}} Later, Wheeljack diagnosed Snarl with [[corrodia gravis]], prompting the Autobots to seek out the only compatible Transformer who could give him a systems boost: Starscream. {{storylink|Assassins}}''

''Wheeljack was last seen during the Autobot chase of [[Motormaster]], who had kidnapped their ally, [[Irwin Spoon]]. He abandoned the chase to check on Prowl after Motormaster ran him off the highway. {{storylink|End of the Road (UK issue)|End of the Road!}}''

====Generation 2====

While investigating an apparent planet-wide genocide on [[J'asik]], Wheeljack joined [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] and [[First Aid]] on a science team in attempting to find out just what had destroyed all life on the planet so utterly. Their findings were so surprising, the team double-checked 50 times before confirming the results: A Cybertronian biological by-product had somehow achieved quasi-sentience and motivation, and was prowling the galaxy as the entity known as the [[Swarm]]. The full impact of their discovery was cut short, however, by the arriving armada of [[Jhiaxus]] and his second generation Cybertronians, the accidental harbingers of the Swarm. {{storylink|Swarm (comic issue)|Swarm}} The battle with Jhiaxus kept the Transformers occupied long enough for the Swarm to find them on Earth. Presenting a united front, the Autobots and Decepticons desperately attempted to drive back the creature. Wheeljack cooked up a method of dramatically augmenting [[Frenzy]]'s sonic powers, but while the Decepticon was consumed by the excess power pumping through his system, it seemed to do little good against the Swarm. Wheeljack's final fate is unknown. {{storylink|A Rage in Heaven!}}

===American cartoon continuity===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Chris Latta]] (US), [[Osamu Saka]] (Japan) [[Katsumi Suzuki]] ([[Attack of the Autobots]] and [[Day of the Machines]] only)

[[Image:cybertronwheeljack.jpg|thumb|left|Boxy but safe.]]

Wheeljack was one of the original crew of [[Autobots]] aboard the ''[[Ark]]'' when it crashed into the Earth four million years ago. Originally a boxy-shaped transport affixed with retractable, bumper-mounted cutting blades, Wheeljack was reformatted in 1984 to be a speedy and rare Lancia Stratos Turbo custom racing car. {{Storylink|More Than Meets the Eye, Part 1}}

Wheeljack was part of the battle unit organized by [[Jazz]] to first challenge the re-awakened [[Decepticons]] on Earth. He was involved in the battle at an off-shore oil rig, where the Autobots would meet the Witwickys, human workers who would befriend the Autobots. Wheeljack developed an especially close friendship with [[Sparkplug Witwicky]], as the two were both gifted mechanics. Wheeljack was next part of the team that attempted to stop the Decepticon plot to overload [[Sherman Dam]].

[[Image:Windcharger wheeljack otp.jpg|thumb|right|Truly, a look can be deceiving, but a touch can be lethal.]]

A restless engineer, Wheeljack has developed all manner of contraptions and equipment for his personal use and for use by his fellow Autobots, often with catastrophic results. He designed the compact yet extremely powerful explosive that nearly trapped the Decepticons in the [[Ruby Crystal Mines of Burma|ruby crystal mines of Burma]], a [[magnetic inducer]] device capable of stopping Transformers cold in their tracks, and a [[gyro-inhibitor]] shell that could incapacitate even Megatron for short spans.

Upon discovery of dinosaur bones in caverns within the [[Ark]]'s volcano, Wheeljack and Ratchet were inspired to construct robotic version of dinosaurs. The Dinobots were originally too dangerous and too primitive to control, leading to Optimus Prime commanding that the project be abandoned, but Wheeljack secretly persisted. He developed memory components that increased the [[Dinobots]]' intelligence, turning them into valuable, if sometimes unpredictable, members of the Autobot forces. {{Storylink|S.O.S. Dinobots}}

Concealed in Wheeljack's left wrist is a fire suppression system, which no doubt came in handy when one of his devices would blow up in his face.

Wheeljack met his untimely end not from one of his own inventions, but from [[Battle of Autobot City|an overwhelming Decepticon attack on Autobot City]]. Arcee pulled his [[spark|life]]less chassis away from the battle to prevent the Decepticons from desecrating it. What a nice girl. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}

However, Wheeljack did appear alive in season 3.

:''('''Note''': Wheeljack has the distinction of being the first Transformer to appear in an episode of any animated series.)''

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===Japanese cartoon continuity===
====''Victory'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Shinobu Satouchi]]

[[Image:WheeljackVictory1.jpg|left|250px|thumb| Um, that was my brother Jackwheel .]]

Wheeljack, [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] and [[Minerva (G1)|Minerva]] were summoned by [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]] to save the life of the fallen [[Ginrai]]. They succeeded, transforming the former [[transtector]] into the mighty [[Victory Leo]].

:''('''Note''': Wheeljack's not-being-deadness is never addressed. Though to Japanese viewers during the original airings, this was not a noticeable discrepancy, as the [[The Transformers: The Movie|movie]] where he died had not been shown in Japan until '''after''' ''Victory'' had aired. However, the original Movie storyboards show [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]] as the dead Autobot next to [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]]). It is also possible that if [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] was successful with [[Operation: Distant Thunder]] then Wheeljack could have survived his apparent demise in the movie via [[Project Bodyshop]].''

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====''Japanese Generation 2 manga====
[[Image:G2StoryPageWheeljackPerceptor1.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Umm... would you believe it was my identical cousin?]]

Wheeljack along with Perceptor and Jetfire discovered [[Reconfiguration Matrix|new properties]] of the matrix which allowed Optimus Prime to revive himself as Laser-Rod Optimus Prime after a crushing defeat by Megatron.

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====Binaltech====
[[Image:BTWheeljack_art.jpg|left|thumb|200px|HEAVY METAL RULES!!!]]

When the Dinobots were injured in a Decepticon attack in the year 2005, Wheeljack headed to Earth to arrange the transplantation of [[Grimlock]]'s mind into a new Binaltech body. On his return journey to the Autobots' moonbase, however, his shuttle was hijacked by time-tossed Decepticon [[Ravage]], who had begun a plan to alter the course of history. Wheeljack was shown a brief glimpse of the near future—including the deaths of himself and many of his comrades—but managed to escape Ravage's clutches. Ravage himself promptly returned to Cybertron and exhumed the [[Kronosphere]], using it to tip the balance of the decisive battle occurring at that time. Whereas the outcome would have originally favored the Decepticons, leading to their total conquest of Cybertron, Ravage ensured an ''Autobot'' victory, altering history and leaving the heroes to face the looming threat of [[Unicron]] alone.

Aware that history had been altered, Wheeljack was faced with a dilemma: Should he stop Ravage's plan and restore the timestream, even though it would mean the death of many Autobots, including himself? His salvation, he hoped, lay in the [[GT System]], a device that allowed a singular [[spark]] to control many duplicate bodies simultaneously. Dubbing his original body the "Alpha Unit," he constructed the "Beta Unit" based on Grimlock's Ford Mustang body, as well as the ominous third "Omega Unit," a mysterious body about which nothing is known.

The subsequent arrival of Unicron prompted the Autobots to initiate "Operation: Distant Thunder," which saw [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] use the chronal warp on [[Dinobot Island]] to send Wheeljack's memory data back in time, in hopes of alerting the Autobots in the past and preventing alteration to the timestream. The plan didn't go as expected, and reality started to go into a severe state of whack, until a mysterious [[Nemesis Prime (Alternators)|black Optimus Prime]] appeared and sealed the time portals that had been created. Operation: Distant Thunder had succeeded in preventing the mainline timestream's alteration, but the Binaltech timeline, first destined to be replaced and erased, had been saved by the newcomer and was now its own distinct, divergent universe.

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:Wheeljack dw6.jpg|right|thumb|Wheeljack calms a group of panicked humans by charging at them while brandishing a weapon.]]

''Wheeljack suffers from a mild form of [[mode attachment]], feeling more comfortable in his vehicle mode than robot mode. As a consequence he does his best thinking in vehicle mode, often while attempting something insanely dangerous.''<ref>[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]</ref>

Wheeljack was part of Grimlock's unit, along with [[Kup]] and [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]], at the time when [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] died and Optimus Prime rose to command the Autobots. When the Decepticons placed [[Iacon]] under siege, Grimlock took his group to [[Kaon]] to look for Optimus Prime, who had gone seeking Megatron. While there, they discovered [[planetary engine turbine]]s that were providing power to a mechaforming process that was destroying Iacon. Arriving, Prime instructed Wheeljack to shut down the engines in a... creative way (it blowed up real good). Wheeljack grumbled a bit that all his education and mechanical engineering skill had led up to just blowing things up. The group managed to return to Iacon, where Prime halted his order to abandon the planet. {{storylink|The War Within}}

When Prime and Megatron disappeared during a [[space bridge]] explosion, Grimlock broke off from the Autobot army and formed the [[Lightning Strike Coalition]], taking his former squad members with him. While Kup and the Dynobots attacked the [[Predacon (War Within)|Predacon]]s, Wheeljack and Ironhide hijacked some shuttles carrying raw [[Energon]], making Starscream very angry. That's always a plus. {{storylink|The War Within: The Dark Ages}}

Wheeljack was one of the engineers that designed and constructed the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'', and part of the ship's original crew.

In 1986, Ironhide and [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] discovered Wheeljack in pieces but functional after an explosion while bug-testing his neutron detonator shell.<ref>Dreamwave's More than Meets the Eye profile for Wheeljack</ref>

:''('''Note''': A version of the events of the Sunbow cartoon episode "[[Autobot Spike]]" appear to have taken place in the time between 1984 and 1998.)''

Wheeljack was among the Transformers involved in the ''[[Ark II]]'' disaster. He survived the explosion of their spacecraft, crashing back to Earth where he and several others lay deactivated and frozen within an iceberg until awakened by [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] in 2002. {{Storylink|Prime Directive issue 2}}

Wheeljack participated in the assault on [[Lazarus]]'s Canadian headquarters. When [[Robert Hallo|General Hallo]]'s attempt to bomb the Autobots and the Decepticons out of existence instead caused a violent expansion of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s [[cyber-virus]], Wheeljack and [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] were the first Autobots to free themselves. {{Storylink|Prime Directive issue 4}} While Prime took some of the Autobots after Megatron, Wheeljack diagnosed the nature of the cyber-virus, and created a set of anti-viral blasters that used the Autobots' energy to return the converted matter to normal. The intervention of Canada's military force scuttled that plan when they fired into the virus, expanding it beyond the point the Autobots could contain. {{Storylink|Prime Directive issue 5}} In response, Wheeljack converted a nearby satellite dish into a giant anti-viral weapon, channeling all of his remaining energy into it. He succeeded in destroying the virus, but was left near death. {{Storylink|Prime Directive issue 6}}

Six months later, Wheeljack came back online just in time to participate in the short-lived truce with the Deceptions and the assault on [[Las Vegas]] to destroy the [[Keepers]]. {{Storylink|Keepers Trilogy}}

Later, when [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] came to arrest the Autobots as war criminals, Wheeljack was one of the Autobots secretly left behind by Optimus Prime under Jazz's command. {{Storylink|Brothers' Burden}} Like most of the rest of that group of Autobots, Wheeljack was beaten to the point of stasis lock by [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] some time later and dumped into a nearby swamp. {{storylink|Night of the Combaticons}} He was dredged out by an [[EDC]] task force and repaired, in time to rejoin the other Autobots when they started construction of [[Autobot City]]. {{Storylink|Lost and Found}}

===IDW comics continuity===
{{ongoing}}
In the time preceding the war Wheeljack was an mechanoid as touched by the sacrifice of others as one could expect from this kindly future Autobot. It comes as no surprise then that he was front row at the state funeral of Kaon Security Service officers [[Fastback]] and [[Bumper]]. {{storylink| Megatron_Origin_issue_3|Megatron Origin issue 3}}

Wheeljack is part of a detachment of Autobots that has operated covertly on Earth for at least four years, attempting to foil a Decepticon insurgency. He appears to be continuing in his role of technical scientist and gadgeteer for the Autobot detachment; he builds a device that can interface the [[SM-40]] palmtop computer with the systems aboard the Autobots' ''[[Ark-19]]'' spacecraft. Wheeljack, like his fellow Autobots, would come to watch the showdown between Megatron and the [[Ore-13]]-powered Starscream. {{storylink|Infiltration}}

Later, after [[Escalation issue 1|the incident outside Lebanon, Illinois]], he and Jazz were sent to investigate a Springfield police impound lot which supposedly held [[Sunstreaker]]'s remains. Unfortunately, members of the [[Machination]] had already arrived with the same purpose in mind, and attacked the bots wielding advanced weaponry eerily similar to their own. Wheeljack escaped mostly unharmed, probably because Jazz took a direct hit from a mortar meant for him. Wheeljack would get his first taste of real damage in [[Brasnya]] facing down Blitzwing and Astrotrain, and eventually the drained form of Megatron. {{storylink|Escalation}}

Wheeljack was assigned to work with Hot Rod in rescuing [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]], but yet again the Machination decided to interfere{{m-}}this time in a confrontation with their army of experimental [[Headmaster]] clones. Wheeljack's constant tinkering paid off when he was able to escape the Headmasters using a [[gyro-inhibitor shell]]. The Headmasters eventually caught up with them however and incapacitated Wheeljack by knocking a pile of junk cars on him. [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]] went to retrieve Hot Rod and the others, blowing up a Headmaster that was attacking Hot Rod. Hot Rod refused to go though, wanting to see the Headmaster mystery to the end. Hardhead reluctantly let him go and took Wheeljack and Ironhide back with him. {{storylink|Devastation}}

===Devil's Due G.I.Joe vs Transformers comics continuity===

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
* '''Wheeljack''' (1984, 1991)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-03'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 shoulder cannons, 4 rockets, 2 wings

[[Image:G1Wheeljack_toy.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Do your arms hang low? Do they wobble to and fro?]]

: The original Wheeljack toy, released as part of the 1984 series of Autobots, was based on a ''[[Diaclone]]'' Lancia Stratos Turbo. He comes with two rocket launchers that can fire four projectiles and two clear wings. In robot mode, the rocket launchers and the wings mount onto his shoulder and back respectively. For some reason, Wheeljack's lower arms/hands cannot lock into his upper arms, leaving them hanging at an angle.

: In 1986, he was made available as a mail-away item (as he was no longer shipping to retail shelves) in multiple offers, including [[Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction]] flier packed with most boxed ''Transformers'' toys. He cost $8 and two [[robot points]].

: Unfortunately for many collectors, Wheeljack's mold has been [[Gone Forever|damaged or destroyed]], meaning his chances of future reissue looks bleak. The closest version of the figure to currency is the European [[Classics (Euro) | Classics]] reissue.

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* '''Wheeljack''' (Action Master, 1990)
**''Accessories:'' 2 missiles
[[Image:AMWheeljack.jpg|right|thumb|70px|At least I come with the Miami Vice car.]]

: ''[[Action Master]]'' Wheeljack is a non-transforming action figure sculpted based upon his cartoon appearances. He comes with the [[Turbo Racer]], a large red sports car based upon the Ferrari Testarossa that can seat two ''Action Master'' figures. The Turbo Racer has an 'attack mode' where it transforms into something vaguely resembling an aircraft made from car parts.

: The Wheeljack figure was later repainted into [[Slicer]].

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===Universe (2003)===
*'''Wheeljack''' (Spychanger, 2004)
**''Accessories:'' Gun
[[Image:SpychangerWheeljack.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Where's your head at, at?]]

:This version of Wheeljack transforms into a Le Mans racing car. He is cast in white plastic with mostly black paint. The toy has several stickers to represent Wheeljack's earlier Lancia Stratos colours, including his racing number 539. He comes with a small black rifle that can be stored between his legs in vehicle mode.

:Universe Wheeljack is a [[redeco]] of Spychanger [[Daytonus]].

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===Alternators===
* '''Wheeljack''' (2005)
**''Alternator ID number:'' '''13'''
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''BT-14'''
**''Accessories:'' Engine/gun, energo sword
[[Image:BTWheeljack_toy.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Mustang Wheeljack! You better slow your Mustang down!]]

: ''[[Alternators]]'' Wheeljack is a retool of ''Alternators'' [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]. He transforms into a 2005 (S197 chassis) model Ford Mustang GT, painted white with blue stripes. In vehicle mode, he features highly realistic styling, opening doors, hood and trunk, as well as a detailed car interior. In robot mode his removable engine becomes a double-barreled laser. [[Image:Binaltech_Alternator_Wheeljack_Retool.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Alternator Wheeljack worked out so much he lost his neck.]]

:The Japanese Binaltech release has a slightly retooled head, different paint applications, and is partially constructed of die-cast metal.

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==Merchandise==
*'''Wheeljack Bust''' (2003)

[[Image:Wheeljackbust.jpg|right|thumb|120px|Optimus Prime! I built a machine that removes legs and replaces them with small pedestals! Come see!]]

:[[Hard Hero]] released a polystone bust of Wheeljack, based upon his appearance in the Generation 1 television series.

*'''Wheeljack''' (2004)

[[Image:Wheeljackstatue.jpg|left|thumb|130px|Small, expensive, and puffy.]]

:Palisades released a 6-inch polystone statue of Wheeljack, based upon [[Pat Lee]]'s rendition of him in the Dreamwave comics.

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==Trivia==
* The remold of [[Alternators]] [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] was originally planned to be [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]] (presumably in red), but ultimately ended up as Wheeljack instead, with a new head sculpt. Meanwhile, the head sculpt originally intended for Ford-Windcharger ended up being used for the remold of Windcharger (the Honda S2000 mold) instead, now named "[[Decepticharge]]".

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1984/Autobot/Wheeljack/wheeljack.htm Wheeljack at TFU.info]

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Talk:Rise of the Constructicons

2008-05-14T20:38:53Z

82.17.140.55: /* Gurren Lagann */

Velocity (episode)

2008-05-11T17:09:06Z

82.17.140.55:

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{{episodenav|animated|21|season=2|prev=Garbage In, Garbage Out|next=Rise of the Constructicons}}

'''Investigating a mysterious race car, Bumblebee gets involved with an illegal underground street racing circuit, which also captures the attention of the Decepticons.'''

==Summary==

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==Stats==

*'''Written by:''' [[Len Uhley]]
*'''Directed by:''' [[Irineo Maramba]], [[Christopher Berkeley]], & [[Kenji Itoso]]
*'''Original airdate:''' May 10, 2008

===Featured characters===

(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)''
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"

! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human]]s
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (1)
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (2)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (3)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (4)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (5)
*[[Blurr (Animated)|Blurr]] (6)

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |
*[[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] (10)
*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (11)

| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |
*[[Captain Fanzone]] (7)
*[[Sari Sumdac]] (8)
*[[Master Disaster]] (9)
|}

==Quotes==
'''Fanzone''': I've been after these guys for weeks. They're part of an underground racing circuit. 
'''Bulkhead''': You mean they race in tunnels? 
'''Fanzone''': Underground as in illegal. As in they race in the streets and don't care who gets hurt. 
'''Bulkhead''': That's not what Sari told me. 
'''Optimus''': What purpose does this street race serve? 
'''Fanzone''': Eh, what else? They get a couple a' million pay-per-view customers for their pirate broadcasts, then it's "cha-ching cha-ching", big bucks. 
:{{m-}}Captain Fanzone introduces the Autobots to the seedy world of underground racing.

'''Bumblebee''': Lighten up, Bulkhead. We're supposed to be the ''fun'' bots. 
'''Bulkhead''': Yeah, but we still gotta set a good example. She looks up to us. 
'''Bumblebee''': Hello, she looks up to everybody. 
'''Sari''': HEY! 
:{{m-}}Bumblebee should be more sensitive about [[scale|size issues]].

"HA! I will crush all that stands in my way!" 
:{{m-}}'''Angry Blitzwing''', right before he is buried under the rubble of a bridge.

'''Crazy Blitzwing''': Oh, isn't zat cute? They're twins! 
'''Calm Blitzwing''': Readings indicate that one of them is carrying the AllSpark fragment. 
'''Angry Blitzwing''': I will destroy them both! 
:{{m-}}Whenever in doubt, Blitzwing's personalities can agree on one thing{{m-}}destroy everything.

"Hey...you know that's comin' out of my paycheck."
:—'''Captain Fanzone''' manages to see the down side of being saved before Blitzwing destroyed his car.

''[referring to Bumblebee's vehicle mode]'' 
"How come your interior's so much cleaner than mine?" 
"Hmm, maybe because it's not on fire?"
:—'''Sari''' zings '''Captain Fanzone'''.

"Well, that's the trouble with bending the rules—''cough''—they usually snap right back in your face."
:—Lessons in life from '''Captain Fanzone'''

'''Angry Blitzwing''': What is happening?! Why can't I control myself?! 
'''Crazy Blitzwing''': Not zat I ever could! AHAHAHA! 
'''Sari''': See? This is how Master Disaster fixed his races. By making the blue racer do whatever he wanted. 
'''Crazy Blitzwing''': Oh, dizzy. Not liking the dizzy.
:{{m-}}As Sari takes control, Angry Blitzwing wants it back, while Crazy Blitzwing has accepted his insanity.

'''Angry Blitzwing''': Never give up! 
'''Calm Blitzwing''': Never surrender! 
'''Crazy Blitzwing''': NEVER MIND!! 
''[Blitzwing swerves off into a nearby building]'' 
:{{m-}}Blitzwing and Blurr play a game of Chicken.

==Other notes==

===Continuity errors===
* Angry [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] demonstrates the ability to function in jet mode, instead of automatically switching to tank mode as he did in [[Megatron Rising, Part 2]]. His ice missiles are replaced with conventional explosive ones. Maybe he learned his lesson?

===Transformers references===
* Bumblebee's turbo boosters were first seen in [[Nanosec (episode)|Nanosec]].

===Real-world references===
*Blurr's vehicle mode bears more than just a passing resemblance to the Mach 5 from ''[[Wikipedia:Speed Racer|Speed Racer]]''.
**(Though it's probably coincidence that the 2008 live-action ''Speed Racer'' movie opened the same weekend this episode first aired.)

*This episode borrows several plot and thematic elements from the popular street racing film ''[[Wikipedia:The Fast and the Furious|The Fast and the Furious]]''.

*Blitzwing's "Never give up! Never surrender! NEVER MIND!" quote refers to the catchphrase from the [[Dreamworks]] film, ''[[Wikipedia:Galaxy Quest|Galaxy Quest]]''.

*Blitzwing haphazardly fires off multiple missiles in all directions in a style reminiscent of the Veritech Fighters from ''[[wikipedia:Macross|Super Dimension Fortress Macross]]''.

*In this episode, Blitzwing's cannons make the familiar "high tension cable twang" normally associated with laser cannons in the [[Wikipedia:Star Wars|Star Wars]] films.
===Miscellaneous trivia===
* This is the first appearance of the [[Blurr (Animated)|mysterious blue race car]] who, despite his talkative reputation, doesn't say a single word, nor does he transform.

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The Probe

2008-05-07T17:54:42Z

82.17.140.55: /* Notes */

'''As a probe from Cybertron approaches the planet the Maximals desperately try to make contact with it, but Megatron has other plans.'''

{{episodenav |BW |season=1 |11 |prev=Gorilla Warfare |next=Victory (Beast Wars episode)}}

==Summary==
Numerous probes are launched from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], programmed to search through time for the missing ''[[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]]''. One pod floats through the rift in space-time created by Megatron and approaches the planet on which the Beast Wars are taking place.

On the planet's surface, Cheetor challenges his teammates to a race home. Rattrap does a commendable job in keeping up with the cheetah, but Primal wins the race by using his flight mode. Primal and Dinobot scold Cheetor for letting his own guard down. Once inside, the four [[Maximals]] meet with Rhinox, who is trying to use the ship's scanners to detect something in space. Rattrap pulls up a visual, revealing that the orbital object is a temporal probe. Rhinox makes an attempt to contact the probe, but it moves out of range before communication can be established. However there's one more chance to get the probe's attention, by duplicating the ''Axalon''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s transwarp signal by the time the probe make its return journey. The Maximals are happy, except for Dinobot.

The next morning, the Maximals begin construction of the signal array they'll use to contact the probe. Although they're in [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] territory, they have Tigatron protecting them. Tigatron detects a tipsy Waspinator and blasts the insect away easily. But by shooting down Waspinator, he makes himself a target of the [[transformation lock lens|transformation lock lens]], a diabolical machine that Tarantulas has built. Eventually, the device fires a beam that hits Tigatron, trapping him in his beast mode. Without his blaster, Tigatron is ensnared in an energon web. Cheetor arrives to aid Tigatron, but quickly finds himself in the same situation.

At the construction site, Dinobot admits that he imagines that upon returning to Cybertron, he'll be persecuted as a Predacon, but Primal assures him that this won't happen. Scorponok, spying on the Maximals, films some footage of the device and sends it to Megatron. Once the device is complete, he begins an attack upon it, but is quickly blasted before the array can be damaged. All the array needs is a transwarp component, which Rhinox will deliver from the ''Axalon''.

The two cats have been caged inside the [[Darksyde|Predacon base]], where Megatron reviews footage of the Maximals constructing their signal array. Cheetor accidentally lets slip that the array is being made to contact a probe. The Predacons rush out of the room, leaving the captives unsupervised. Tigatron begins to swing his suspended cage. Cheetor copies this behavior, and the two cages soon strike other, knocking their bottom panels open. Tigatron lands on his feet and catches Cheetor, saving him from a lava bath. They then head for the Precadons' restoration chambers to escape the transformation lock.

Terrorsaur attacks the array, and the three Maximals scare off the flier. Dinobot comments that Terrorsaur always was a coward. Megatron agrees, but notes that he still makes a great diversion. Then he and the two spiders engage the Maximals at closer range, with Tarantulas's device to assist them. Dinobot is locked into his Beast Mode and is defeated with several kicks from Blackarachnia. Rattrap uses his rifle to blast Blackarachnia over the edge of a cliff. With her out of the picture, Rattrap talks to Dinobot, who is experiencing transformational dysfunction, only for Rattrap to be struck by the lock lens as well. The two Maximals are then blasted by Megatron.

Optimus Primal fights against Tarantulas and fires a shot right through the spider's chest. Then Primal is locked into his beast mode like the others. Megatron nearly kills Primal, but Rhinox arrives just in time and sends Megatron flying with a mighty punch. With the Predacons defeated, Rhinox activates the array. He only needs to enter in the code that will allow the array to mimic the ''Axalon''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s transwarp signal and contact the probe. But at the crucial moment, Tarantulas's evil device strikes Rhinox, and without fingers to use in his beast mode, the array is useless. With all the present Maximals incapacitated, there is nobody to stop Megatron from destroying the array.

Megatron prepares to finish off Optimus and Rhinox. Cheetor and Tigatron arrive and destroy Tarantulus's device and scare off Megatron, but the damage has been done, and Megatron boasts that the war will continue until he wins. Now the Maximals may never be rescued.

==Quotes==

==Stats==
'''Writers:''' [[Craig Miller]] and [[Marv Wolfman]] 
'''Original Air Date:''' October 15, 1996

'''Major Characters (in order of appearance):''' [[Cheetor]], [[Rattrap]], [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]], [[Optimus Primal]], [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]], [[Tigertron]], [[Waspinator]], [[Tarantulas]], [[Scorponok (BW)|Scorponok]], [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]], [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]], [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]]

==Notes==
* Dinobot's hesitation towards the idea of being rescued is a concept revisited in [[Victory (Beast Wars episode)]]
* On the DVD release of Season 1, this episode appears out of order, coming after "[[Double Jeopardy]]". This is particularly noticeable in the presence of the [[Sentinel (BW)|Sentinel]] defense system before its introductory episode.
* The way Tarantulas's New toydoes is similar to The decepticons toy in [[Autobot Run]]

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Garbage In, Garbage Out

2008-05-06T06:16:50Z

82.17.140.55: /* Transformers references */

[[Image:Wreck-Gar-Ani.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Good luck understanding that which baffled [[Servo]]...]]

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'''AllSpark energy turns a junk pile into a sentient robot who tries to help the Autobots, but ends up doing more harm than good.'''

==Summary==
Garbage is piling up all over [[Detroit]], as the trash-bots are malfunctioning and [[Sumdac Systems]] CEO Porter C. Powell refuses to repair them until the city and he can come to an agreement on payment. In Powell's office, a technician demonstrates a new form of the nanobots that [[Transform and Roll Out|caused big problems a while back]], designed this time to break down garbage into its component molecules, quickly and cheaply solving the garbage problem (while allowing Powell to charge the city a hefty fee).

Elsewhere, the [[Autobot]]s are trying to patch up their still-damaged reputation by helping pile garbage into scows. Ratchet ends up getting into a shouting match with an old man whose car ended up under a garbage mound, resulting in the car being dumped in the river and the two old grouches almost coming to blows. Captain Fanzone arrives to break up the scene and remarks that Ratchet needs to work on his "people skills". Prime agrees and assigns Bumblebee and Sari to try and help out Ratchet while they work more on the garbage problem. Ratchet is not happy with this.

Just before the Autobots depart, though, [[Sari Sumdac's key|Sari's key]] glows, but she quickly disregards this, and so she misses the emergence of a junk-robot from the scow, brought to life by an [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] shard. The confused machine tries to figure out his identity using the scraps around him, but is unsatisfied with the results. Spying a passing blimp with a sign for the Detroit police department with the slogan "We're Here to Help", the robot happily goes about trying to find some police for some help with his identity.

At the Decepticon base, Lugnut detects a surge in AllSpark energy, and Megatron concludes that another fragment must have turned up. Megatron orders Lugnut to retrieve it, and Lugnut continues his glory-spouting as he leaves. Megatron's optical sensor begins to twitch noticeably.

Stuck in a traffic jam, Ratchet is about to display some serious road rage when Bumblebee puts on his siren and clears a path for them. Heading through, they a find [[Witwicky|a familiar couple]] who are expecting a child, but their car has broken down on the way to the hospital. Ratchet agrees to take them to the hospital, then jets off at high speed, despite Sari's warning to keep the mother calm.

Meanwhile, the new robot is walking through downtown Detroit, nearly causing several accidents. The police, pursuing the Angry Archer, crash into the robot, who subsequently asks them for help. Archer tells the robot to throw them aside so that they can escape, and the robot agrees. When Archer inquires as to his identity, the robot responds that he is "worthless-wreck-walking-pile-of-garbage," (all things he had been called by citizens who nearly slammed into him) so the Archer dubs him Wreck-Gar for short. He tries to explain the that they steal from the rich and give to the poor (themselves), but Wreck-Gar gets the Archer's words confused. Seeing a passing armored car, Archer tells Wreck-Gar that they must "knock it over", so Wreck-Gar proceeds to chase the armored car and do just that.

[[Image:New Spike and Carly.JPG|thumb|left|200px|Oh ''shit'', what are we gonna do now?!]]

Meanwhile, expecting mother Carly asks her husband, Spike, to ask the driver to slow down, only for Spike to learn that there is only a little girl in the car{{m-}}and no driver! Ratchet tells them to keep quiet as he tries to find a hospital, only for the armored car knocked over by Wreck-Gar to land in his way. Jettisoning the humans, Ratchet and Bumblebee try to stop Wreck-Gar, but before they can do anything, the Angry Archer snags and flees with a canister that was in the armored car. Sari points out that Autobots are supposed to catch the bad guys, and Wreck-Gar assumes that he is an Autobot, slaps on an [[Insignia|Autobrand]], and goes after the Archer. Bumblebee and Sari go after him, while Ratchet offers to drive Spike and Carly to the hospital. They say they'll take a cab, leaving Ratchet miffed at their rudeness.

Outrunning the swinging Archer, Wreck-Gar hurls him into the air so he can "catch" him, allowing the Angry Archer to escape, but the canister falls into Wreck-Gar's backpack. As the Autobots and Sari show up, her key starts to glow, and they realize that Wreck-Gar was created by an AllSpark fragment. Ratchet rudely tells Wreck-Gar that he is not an Autobot and is only good for one thing: GARBAGE! Wreck-Gar therefore [[Transformation|transforms]] into his garbage truck vehicle mode and leaves to deliver garbage to the people of Detroit{{m-}}starting by covering Sari and the Autobots in a pile of it.
[[Image:Wreckgarbutton.jpg|thumb|right|100px|High-five!]]
Meanwhile, Lugnut has reached the city, and he confronts Wreck-Gar at the military base he and [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] previously visited. Lugnut demands the AllSpark fragment from the vehicle's driver, but Wreck-Gar transforms, revealing his robotic nature. When Wreck-Gar repeats Ratchet's statement that he's no Autobot, Lugnut concludes that Wreck-Gar is a loyal Decepticon, so Wreck-Gar slaps on a Decepticon symbol.

Back at the crime scene, Ratchet is removing the driver of the armored car when Powell and Fanzone show up. Powell reveals that the car was carrying the garbage-devouring microbots to a demonstration for Mayor Edsel. However, the canister carrying them is gone. Sari is more than willing to let Powell suffer, but Ratchet is concerned about what the microbots might do if infused with AllSpark energy. Tracking Wreck-Gar to the base, Ratchet demands the Microbots, only for Lugnut to transform and activate his bomb punch. Wreck-Gar interprets this as the [[universal greeting]], and gives Lugnut a high five. Sari and the Autobots barely manage to avoid ground zero. As Lugnut transforms to attack, Wreck-Gar takes out the canister, which has cracked, allowing some of the microbots to touch Lugnut. Crying out in pain, Lugnut commands Wreck-Gar to get them off, so Wreck-Gar dissects Lugnut, causing his tail end, still carrying Wreck-Gar, to crash onto a garbage scow. Bumblebee declares their problems over, but Ratchet is worried. If those microbots could eat through Decepticon [[armor-plating]], there's no telling what they'll do to downtown Detroit.

On the river bank, Powell arrives to cancel the presentation with the mayor, only for the group see the microbots eat the garbage on the scow. Powell quickly takes advantage of the situation to start wheeling and dealing. As the scow gets closer, Ratchet jumps from a nearby bridge to stop it. He tries to reason with Wreck-Gar, but everything fails, forcing Ratchet to make the ultimate sacrifice...and apologize. He tells Wreck-Gar he can be whatever he wants, and Wreck-Gar decides to save the city, vacuuming up the microbots. However, the microbots overload Wreck-Gar's backpack, causing him to fall into the river. Ratchet tries to pull him out with his magnets, but only finds junk. As Bumblebee and Sari declare Ratchet a hero, Powell cries foul, saying that Ratchet destroyed his product. Thus there is no deal with the city, and the garbage dispute will continue. Ratchet picks up Powell, the Mayor, and the Mayor's aide, and tells them to make peace or be thrown into the river. Powell and Edsel agree to a small increase to re-service the garbage bots, ending the dispute. Ratchet decides the cheering bystanders are lauding him, leading him to conclude that he does have people skills. Sari and Bumblebee know differently, however.

Meanwhile, at the bottom of the river, Wreck-Gar, buried shoulder-deep in sediment, assures the sea life that he is a hero and is there to help. First, however, he needs a hand. Or a fin. [[Lost and Found (Animated episode)#Quotes|Maybe a pelvis?]]

==Stats==

*'''Written by:''' [[Marty Isenberg]]
*'''Directed by:''' [[Ben Jones]] & [[Shunji Oga]]
*'''Original airdate:''' May 3, 2008

===Featured characters===

(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)''
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"

! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human]]s
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (2)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (3)
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (4)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (5)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (7)
*[[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Wreck-Gar]] (9)
| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |
*[[Lugnut]] (10)
*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (11)
| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |
*[[Porter C. Powell]] (1)
*[[Sari Sumdac]] (6)
*[[Captain Fanzone]] (8)
*[[Spike (Animated)|Spike]] (12)
*[[Carly (Animated)|Carly]] (13)
*[[Angry Archer]] (14)
*[[Mayor Edsel]] (15)
|}

==Quotes==

"You, quit harassing the Autobot. You, put down the citizen".
:{{m-}}'''Fanzone''' keeps the peace.

"Ahh, I'm picking up a new AllSpark energy signal, my liege..." 
"No doubt another fragment has surfaced. Retrieve it, Lugnut, before the Autobots get their filthy servos on it." 
"Stasis lock itself could not deter me from your grand and glorious plan, oh wise and noble Megatron!" 
''[left optic twitches]'' "Just...go..." 
"Yes, my liege!" 
:{{m-}}'''Lugnut's''' blind worship of his <s>queen</s> commander can get too much even for '''Megatron''' sometimes.

"I don't suppose you can tell me what I am, funny green man?" 
"You are...my partner-in-crime. They call me Angry Archer!" 
"They call me 'worthless-wreck-walking-pile-of-garbage'!" 
"Oh, really? Bit of a mouthful. Perhaps we should just call you 'Wreck-Gar' for short." 
:{{m-}}'''Angry Archer''', Renaissance Man, does some on-the-spot dubbing.

"I am Wreck-Gar!"
:{{m-}}The opening to pretty much everything '''Wreck-Gar''' says from the moment he gets his name.

''[Sari, Spike, and a very pregnant Carly are almost crushed by an axle carelessly discarded by Ratchet]'' 
"Uh, I don't know much about these things, lady, but I think you're s'posed to breathe or somethin'?"
:{{m-}}'''Sari''' the midwife.

'''Bumblebee''': ''[at Wreck-Gar]'' "What are you?" ''[To Sari]'' "What is he?" 
'''Sari''': "I don't know, but he's givin' off a ton of AllSpark energy." 
'''Wreck-Gar:''' "I am Wreck-Gar! I give off a ton of AllSpark energy!" 
'''Bumblebee''': "So, what, an AllSpark fragment just brought a junk pile to life and made some new kind of Autobot?!" 
'''Wreck-Gar''': "I am Wreck-Gar! I am some new kind of Autobot?!" 
'''Ratchet''': "Listen up, scrapheap. You're not an Autobot, and you never will be an Autobot. You're only good for one thing: GARBAGE!" 
'''Wreck-Gar''': "I am Wreck-Gar! I am only good for one thing: GARBAGE! I must deliver garbage to all!" ''[transforms and rolls out]''
:{{m-}} Ratchet's lack of people skills backfires again.

'''Lugnut''': Human! The AllSpark fragment{{m-}}now! 
'''Wreck-Gar''': No human here. I am Wreck-Gar! I am only good for one thing: ''GARBAGE''! 
'''Lugnut''': Are you an Autobot? 
'''Wreck-Gar''': I am Wreck-Gar! I am not an Autobot and will never be an Autobot! 
'''Lugnut''': Ah! Then you must be a Decepticon! 
'''Wreck-Gar''': I am Wreck-Gar! I...must be a Decepticon! 
''[Wreck-Gar places a Decepticon badge on his chest]'' 
'''Lugnut''': Aah, ALL HAIL MEGATRON! 
'''Wreck-Gar''': All hail Megatron! Uh...w-what's a 'Megatron'? 
:{{m-}} Wreck-Gar makes a new friend.

'''Lugnut''': Those accursed Autobots will pay for their insolence! 
'''Wreck-Gar''': Right! ''[Wreck-Gar pulls a burnt-out cash register]'' Cash, check or charbroil? 
'''Lugnut''': ''[Knocking the register out of Wreck-Gar's hands]'' ATTACK! 
'''Wreck-Gar''': Right! What kind of tack would you like? Thumb tack? Carpet tack? Income tack? 
'''Lugnut''': Rhaaah, nevermind. 
:{{m-}} Wreck-Gar can certainly teach Crazy Blitzwing a thing or two about being bonkers.

"You glitch-head! You're gonna destroy the whole city! You wouldn't dare do something THAT stupid!" 
"I am Wreck-Gar! I ''dare'' to be stupid! I will destroy the whole city!"
:{{m-}} '''Ratchet''' and '''Wreck-Gar'''. Yes, but does he count his chickens before they hatch?

"Fear not, fellow creatures of the deep, I am Wreck-Gar! I am a hero! Um...e-excuse me, c-could someone give me a hand...or-...or a fin...anyone?""
:{{m-}}'''Wreck-Gar''' begins a new life under the sea.

==Other notes==
* This episode was first shown on Friday, April 25th, at [[BotCon 2008]]. The version aired still had the time-code running in the top-left corner.

* This episode is the first to feature Ratchet's full robot-to-vehicle transformation animation sequence.

===Continuity errors===
* When removing trash into a boat, Optimus transforms, and suddenly his trailer evaporates, together with all the trash on it.

* Why don't Sari or Ratchet react to the key when it starts to glow, indicating the presence of AllSpark energy?

===Transformers references===
[[Image:Beemeatcycle.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Most fanwanky episode ever?]]
* Wreck-Gar interprets Lugnut's incoming rocket punch as an invitation to a high-five, and he happily delivers the [[universal greeting]](you know the bah weep granah weep ninny bah).
* Wreck-Gar's shifting allegiance and red optics as he faces down Ratchet on the garbage scow appear to be callbacks to the [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|original Wreck-Gar]], who at first appeared to be an enemy to the Autobots in his movie appearance, complete with red optics, and was even marketed as such in television [[commercial]]s.

* The ''Animated'' incarnations of Spike and Carly, who made a cameo in [[Transform and Roll Out!|the pilot episode]], re-appear with speaking lines and even get their names called out. Corey Burton even reprises his post-[[The Transformers: The Movie|Movie]] voice for the adult [[Spike Witwicky]].

* Generation 1 Wreck-Gar's motorcycle alt mode can be spotted amongst the garbage that Wreck-Gar throws at Bumblebee.

===Real-world references===
* Wreck-Gar's "I ''dare'' to be stupid!" is, of course, a reference to one of [["Weird Al" Yankovic]]'s most well-known songs, "Dare to be Stupid", a Devo "style parody" that appeared on the soundtrack to [[The Transformers: The Movie|the original animated movie]] in the scene with the original Wreck-Gar.

* While driving Spike and Carly to the hospital, Ratchet drives past the Wyatt Toys toy store, a reference to Art Director [[Derrick Wyatt]] previously seen in "[[Sound and Fury]]".

* The line "You like me, you really like me!" refers to Sally Field's Oscar acceptance speech in 1985. Does this mean we can refer to the unnamed mayor Ratchet is holding as "Oscar"?

===Miscellaneous trivia===
* Even Megatron gets annoyed by Lugnut's constant worshiping. [[Inferno (BW)|Sound familiar]]?

* The mayor still doesn't talk, letting his aide speak for him instead.

* Aside from Wreck-Gar, Weird Al also voiced the Sumdac Systems technician who explains the new version of the nanobots to Porter C. Powell.

* This is the first time we see Lugnut use his mace/axe weapon. It is awesome. It gets eaten by microbots.

* Given that Carly is about to give birth when she seemed to have a wafer-thin profile in [[Transform and Roll Out!|the pilot]], the Autobots seem to have spent at least six months or so in Detroit.

*This episode sees the return of the human newscaster.

*Bulkhead appears, but has no lines.

*When Wreck-Gar Picked up two policeman, one of them Resembles Officer Dibble from [[wikipedia:Top Cat|Top Cat]]
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Starscream (Animated)

2008-05-05T18:50:01Z

82.17.140.55: He is a zombie, if he wasn't but still alive then why would his spark core empty

{{disambig3|Starscream}}

:''Starscream is a [[Decepticon]] in the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Starscreamanimated.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Specialist skills: backstabbing, aggressive negotiating, self-resurrection, chin-stroking.]]

'''Starscream''' is easily as accomplished, powerful and deserving of leadership as Megatron. At least, that's what he thinks. Power-hungry and driven by jealousy, Starscream operates through three ideals: lying, manipulation and deception. And when all else fails, a bit of sabotage never goes astray. [[Megatron (Animated)|Wise bots]] are careful about turning their backs on Starscream, just in case it's the day he finally decides to shove in the knife.

Though not nearly as powerful as Megatron (despite what he thinks of himself), Starscream is by no means a wimp. His [[null-ray]]s can demolish large buildings, and he can fly around so fast that he can break free of [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet's]] magnetic powers.

He's very fond of villainous speeches. You ''really'' don't want to interrupt him in the middle of one of those.

{{Quote|''Yes!'' Right then. Solemn face, solemn face.|Starscream about to tell the other Decepticons that he is the new leader|"[[Transform and Roll Out!]]"}}

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
{{ongoing}}
:''Voice actor:'' [[Tom Kenny]] (English), [[Stefan Staudinger]] (German)

Like [[Starscream (disambiguation)|others of his kind]], Starscream seeks to betray [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] and take over leadership of the Decepticons. This time, however, he's not afraid to plant bombs on his mighty leader. In the aftermath of the explosion, Starscream got so caught up in his own greatness that he didn't notice that his comrades abandoned him on a [[Nemesis (Animated)|ship]] hurtling towards an exploding space bridge.

[[Image:Starscreamseg.jpg|thumb|right|150px|You check in, but you don't check out. SCH-WING~!]]
Over the next fifty [[units of time|solar cycles]], Starscream searched for the [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] on his own, using the damaged ship as a base (and probably getting a few screws loose in his [[central processor]]). He later discovered that the AllSpark was on [[Earth]] and adopted a jet fighter as an alternate mode to search for it. When he revealed himself to the Autobots, he quickly thrashed each of them individually. Starscream mocked them, apparently assuming that the Autobots thought ''they'' had really defeated Megatron (whom he referred to as "the great Megatron" without sarcasm, so he seems to have at least a loathing respect for his leader's power). All too boastful of his cunning, Starscream boldly admitted that Megatron was already defeated by the bomb which Starscream himself had put on him. Despite being more powerful than the Autobots, Starscream failed to take the AllSpark, partially because he [[Megatron (BW)|spent too much time gloating]]. [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] grabbed Starscream in midair, and they opened the AllSpark, releasing a massive wave of energy. Optimus was killed by the energy surge and subsequent fall (he got better), but Starscream's fate was unspecified. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out!}}

After Megatron woke up, he found a tape of Starscream's confession and watched it. His reaction was typical: [[The Transformers: The Movie|"STAAAAARSCREEEEAM!"]] {{storylink|Home Is Where the Spark Is}}

It turns out Starscream had been hiding on Earth this whole time, until he decided to reveal himself to a badly damaged [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] and [[Lugnut]], offering them help in exchange for their loyalty. It also seems that for his skill he never mastered parallel-parking, as evidenced by the wreckage of the ''Nemesis'' on Earth's moon. {{Storylink|Lost and Found (Animated episode)|Lost and Found}}

[[Image:Megatron rising 1 Starscream freakout.jpg|thumb|left|150px|"Do you have any idea how long I spent preparing that speech!?"]]
After repairing Lugnut and Blitzwing, Starscream continually had to reassert his authority over the two walking malfunctions. As Lugnut went prostrate with praise, Starscream was initially quite flattered by the hulking Decepticon's obsequity, but quickly learned that the big guy was being manipulated by an outside source. Tracking the transmission, he came to [[Sumdac Tower]] and was quite surprised to find the disembodied head of his former leader. Beginning the smug monologue to end all smug monologues, he was interrupted by the senseless heroics of the Autobot [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]]. Focusing his attentions on the yellow little squirt, he mistakenly assumed that Megatron was helpless, an oversight that allowed the galactic despot to control the lab's machinery and defenestrate the traitor. Even so Starscream remained fixated on Bumblebee, and thus was caught unaware when the repaired form of Megatron burst from the tower roof. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 1}}

[[Image:PayThePiper.JPG|right|thumb|150px|Ghost in three...two...one...]]

Starscream watched with interest, tossing Bumblebee around absentmindedly as Megatron trashed the Autobots. When Megatron called out his loyal Decepticons, Starscream gracefully landed on Lugnut's head, ready to return to his position as second-in-command. Megatron prepared to fire on the Autobots, but quickly lashed out and rammed the [[Sari Sumdac's key|AllSpark Key]] into Starscream's chest, seemingly offlining the traitor, who then crumpled to the ground. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 2}}

[[Image:Jagged.JPG|left|thumb|150px|All tied up and ready for [[Kiss Players]]]]
Sometime later, Starscream awoke on a garbage barge, evidently thrown in by an Autobot cleaning up Detroit. He found he couldn't detect any Decepticons, not even himself! Panicking, he wondered he if was dead, but recovered when he realised he was still on Earth. Furious, he managed to track down Lugnut and Blitzwing, and follow them to the Decepticon base. There he challenged Megatron and was soundly sliced, blasted and thrown off a cliff. However, he again revived, except now he had no spark! Starscream discovered he was being kept alive by an AllSpark fragment embedded in his head. Using this newfound immortality to his advantage he again, attacked Megatron...and again and again and again in a montage, each time taking a trouncing and having his corpse thrown off a cliff by Blitzwing and Lugnut. Discovering another fragment, he set up a trap that would draw Megatron out and blow up both him and the city. He embedded the shard in a train engine, and as the overloading machine drew out Megatron, Blitzwing, the [[Cybertron Elite Guard|Elite Guard]] AND the Earth team, the plan seemed to be working. Unfortunately, the Autobots stopped the train, and Megatron knocked him out of the sky, sending him crashing into the midst of the Autobots. He blasted [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] and took back his fragment, but was put into stasis lock when Optimus slipped [[Stasis cuffs|some cuffs]] on him. He was last seen bound, gagged and being taken onto the [[Elite Guard's ship|Elite Guard vessel]].{{storylink|Mission Accomplished}}

==Toys==
===Animated===
*'''Starscream''' (Voyager, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' 2 x missiles

[[Image:TFAnimated_Voyager_Starscream_toy.jpg|thumb|right|250px|What? Decepticon sigil not upside down? HERESY! HERESY!]]

: Starscream transforms into a futuristic, forward-swept wing fighter jet based upon the [http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/s37/ Su-47 (S-37) Berkut Experimental Fighter] and the [http://www.new-un-spacy.com/macrossplus/yf-19.htm YF-19 "Alpha One"] from the series ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macross_Plus Macross Plus].'' This shape allows him to have his faction symbols right-side-up on his wings in robot mode.

:Going [[Starscream (G1)|by]] [[Starscream (Armada)|past]] [[Starscream (Movie)|experience]], there is a [[Thundercracker|fifty]]-[[Skywarp|fifty]] chance this mold will be [[Seeker|retooled and redecoed]].

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*'''Starscream''' (Activators, 2008)

{{comingsoontoy}}
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Garbage In, Garbage Out

2008-05-05T18:41:57Z

82.17.140.55: /* Miscellaneous trivia */

[[Image:Wreck-Gar-Ani.jpg|thumb|right|350px|The [[Wikipedia:Raging Bender|Gender Bender]]!]]

{{episodenav|animated|20|season=2|prev=Mission Accomplished|next=Velocity}}

'''AllSpark energy turns a junk pile into a sentient robot who tries to help the Autobots, but ends up doing more harm than good.'''

==Summary==
Garbage is piling up all over [[Detroit]], as the trash-bots are malfunctioning and [[Sumdac Systems]] CEO Porter C. Powell refuses to repair them until the city and he can come to an agreement on payment. In Powell's office, a technician demonstrates a new form of the nanobots that [[Transform and Roll Out|caused big problems a while back]], designed this time to break down garbage into its component molecules, quickly and cheaply solving the garbage problem (while allowing Powell to charge the city a hefty fee).

Elsewhere, the [[Autobot]]s are trying to patch up their still-damaged reputation by helping pile garbage into scows. Ratchet ends up getting into a shouting match with an old man whose car ended up under a garbage mound, resulting in the car being dumped in the river and the two old grouches almost coming to blows. Captain Fanzone arrives to break up the scene and remarks that Ratchet needs to work on his "people skills". Prime agrees and assigns Bumblebee and Sari to try and help out Ratchet while they work more on the garbage problem. Ratchet is not happy with this.

Just before the Autobots depart, though, [[Sari Sumdac's key|Sari's key]] glows, but she quickly disregards this, and so she misses the emergence of a junk-robot from the scow, brought to life by an [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] shard. The confused machine tries to figure out his identity using the scraps around him, but is unsatisfied with the results. Spying a passing blimp with a sign for the Detroit police department with the slogan "We're Here to Help", the robot happily goes about trying to find some police for some help with his identity.

At the Decepticon base, Lugnut detects a surge in AllSpark energy, and Megatron concludes that another fragment must have turned up. Megatron orders Lugnut to retrieve it, and Lugnut continues his glory-spouting as he leaves. Megatron's optical sensor begins to twitch noticeably.

Stuck in a traffic jam, Ratchet is about to display some serious road rage when Bumblebee puts on his siren and clears a path for them. Heading through, they a find [[Witwicky|a familiar couple]] who are expecting a child, but their car has broken down on the way to the hospital. Ratchet agrees to take them to the hospital, then jets off at high speed, despite Sari's warning to keep the mother calm.

Meanwhile, the new robot is walking through downtown Detroit, nearly causing several accidents. The police, pursuing the Angry Archer, crash into the robot, who subsequently asks them for help. Archer tells the robot to throw them aside so that they can escape, and the robot agrees. When Archer inquires as to his identity, the robot responds that he is "worthless-wreck-walking-pile-of-garbage," (all things he had been called by citizens who nearly slammed into him) so the Archer dubs him Wreck-Gar for short. He tries to explain the that they steal from the rich and give to the poor (themselves), but Wreck-Gar gets the Archer's words confused. Seeing a passing armored car, Archer tells Wreck-Gar that they must "knock it over", so Wreck-Gar proceeds to chase the armored car and do just that.

[[Image:New Spike and Carly.JPG|thumb|left|200px|Oh ''shit'', what are we gonna do now?!]]

Meanwhile, expecting mother Carly asks her husband, Spike, to ask the driver to slow down, only for Spike to learn that there is only a little girl in the car{{m-}}and no driver! Ratchet tells them to keep quiet as he tries to find a hospital, only for the armored car knocked over by Wreck-Gar to land in his way. Jettisoning the humans, Ratchet and Bumblebee try to stop Wreck-Gar, but before they can do anything, the Angry Archer snags and flees with a canister that was in the armored car. Sari points out that Autobots are supposed to catch the bad guys, and Wreck-Gar assumes that he is an Autobot, slaps on an [[Insignia|Autobrand]], and goes after the Archer. Bumblebee and Sari go after him, while Ratchet offers to drive Spike and Carly to the hospital. They say they'll take a cab, leaving Ratchet miffed at their rudeness.

Outrunning the swinging Archer, Wreck-Gar hurls him into the air so he can "catch" him, allowing the Angry Archer to escape, but the canister falls into Wreck-Gar's backpack. As the Autobots and Sari show up, her key starts to glow, and they realize that Wreck-Gar was created by an AllSpark fragment. Ratchet rudely tells Wreck-Gar that he is not an Autobot and is only good for one thing: GARBAGE! Wreck-Gar therefore [[Transformation|transforms]] into his garbage truck vehicle mode and leaves to deliver garbage to the people of Detroit{{m-}}starting by covering Sari and the Autobots in a pile of it.
[[Image:Wreckgarbutton.jpg|thumb|right|100px|High-five!]]
Meanwhile, Lugnut has reached the city, and he confronts Wreck-Gar at the military base he and [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] previously visited. Lugnut demands the AllSpark fragment from the vehicle's driver, but Wreck-Gar transforms, revealing his robotic nature. When Wreck-Gar repeats Ratchet's statement that he's no Autobot, Lugnut concludes that Wreck-Gar is a loyal Decepticon, so Wreck-Gar slaps on a Decepticon symbol.

Back at the crime scene, Ratchet is removing the driver of the armored car when Powell and Fanzone show up. Powell reveals that the car was carrying the garbage-devouring microbots to a demonstration for Mayor Edsel. However, the canister carrying them is gone. Sari is more than willing to let Powell suffer, but Ratchet is concerned about what the microbots might do if infused with AllSpark energy. Tracking Wreck-Gar to the base, Ratchet demands the Microbots, only for Lugnut to transform and activate his bomb punch. Wreck-Gar interprets this as the [[universal greeting]], and gives Lugnut a high five. Sari and the Autobots barely manage to avoid ground zero. As Lugnut transforms to attack, Wreck-Gar takes out the canister, which has cracked, allowing some of the microbots to touch Lugnut. Crying out in pain, Lugnut commands Wreck-Gar to get them off, so Wreck-Gar dissects Lugnut, causing his tail end, still carrying Wreck-Gar, to crash onto a garbage scow. Bumblebee declares their problems over, but Ratchet is worried. If those microbots could eat through Decepticon [[armor-plating]], there's no telling what they'll do to downtown Detroit.

On the river bank, Powell arrives to cancel the presentation with the mayor, only for the group see the microbots eat the garbage on the scow. Powell quickly takes advantage of the situation to start wheeling and dealing. As the scow gets closer, Ratchet jumps from a nearby bridge to stop it. He tries to reason with Wreck-Gar, but everything fails, forcing Ratchet to make the ultimate sacrifice...and apologize. He tells Wreck-Gar he can be whatever he wants, and Wreck-Gar decides to save the city, vacuuming up the microbots. However, the microbots overload Wreck-Gar's backpack, causing him to fall into the river. Ratchet tries to pull him out with his magnets, but only finds junk. As Bumblebee and Sari declare Ratchet a hero, Powell cries foul, saying that Ratchet destroyed his product. Thus there is no deal with the city, and the garbage dispute will continue. Ratchet picks up Powell, the Mayor, and the Mayor's aide, and tells them to make peace or be thrown into the river. Powell and Edsel agree to a small increase to re-service the garbage bots, ending the dispute. Ratchet decides the cheering bystanders are lauding him, leading him to conclude that he does have people skills. Sari and Bumblebee know differently, however.

Meanwhile, at the bottom of the river, Wreck-Gar, buried shoulder-deep in sediment, assures the sea life that he is a hero and is there to help. First, however, he needs a hand. Or a fin. [[Lost and Found (Animated episode)#Quotes|Maybe a pelvis?]]

==Stats==

*'''Written by:''' [[Marty Isenberg]]
*'''Directed by:''' [[Ben Jones]] & [[Shunji Oga]]
*'''Original airdate:''' May 3, 2008

===Featured characters===

(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)''
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"

! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human]]s
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (2)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (3)
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (4)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (5)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (7)
*[[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Wreck-Gar]] (9)
| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |
*[[Lugnut]] (10)
*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (11)
| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |
*[[Porter C. Powell]] (1)
*[[Sari Sumdac]] (6)
*[[Captain Fanzone]] (8)
*[[Spike (Animated)|Spike]] (12)
*[[Carly (Animated)|Carly]] (13)
*[[Angry Archer]] (14)
*[[Mayor Edsel]] (15)
|}

==Quotes==

"You, quit harassing the Autobot. You, put down the citizen".
:{{m-}}'''Fanzone''' keeps the peace.

"Ahh, I'm picking up a new AllSpark energy signal, my liege..." 
"No doubt another fragment has surfaced. Retrieve it, Lugnut, before the Autobots get their filthy servos on it." 
"Stasis lock itself could not deter me from your grand and glorious plan, oh wise and noble Megatron!" 
''[left optic twitches]'' "Just...go..." 
"Yes, my liege!" 
:{{m-}}'''Lugnut's''' blind worship of his <s>queen</s> commander can get too much even for '''Megatron''' sometimes.

"I don't suppose you can tell me what I am, funny green man?" 
"You are...my partner-in-crime. They call me Angry Archer!" 
"They call me 'worthless-wreck-walking-pile-of-garbage'!" 
"Oh, really? Bit of a mouthful. Perhaps we should just call you 'Wreck-Gar' for short." 
:{{m-}}'''Angry Archer''', Renaissance Man, does some on-the-spot dubbing.

"I am Wreck-Gar!"
:{{m-}}The opening to pretty much everything '''Wreck-Gar''' says from the moment he gets his name.

''[Sari, Spike, and a very pregnant Carly are almost crushed by an axle carelessly discarded by Ratchet]'' 
"Uh, I don't know much about these things, lady, but I think you're s'posed to breathe or somethin'?"
:{{m-}}'''Sari''' the midwife

'''Bumblebee''': ''[at Wreck-Gar]'' "What are you?" ''[To Sari]'' "What is he?" 
'''Sari''': "I don't know, but he's givin' off a ton of AllSpark energy." 
'''Wreck-Gar:''' "I am Wreck-Gar! I give off a ton of AllSpark energy!" 
'''Bumblebee''': "So, what, an AllSpark fragment just brought a junk pile to life and made some new kind of Autobot?!" 
'''Wreck-Gar''': "I am Wreck-Gar! I am some new kind of Autobot?!" 
'''Ratchet''': "Listen up, scrapheap. You're not an Autobot, and you never will be an Autobot. You're only good for one thing: GARBAGE!" 
'''Wreck-Gar''': "I am Wreck-Gar! I am only good for one thing: GARBAGE! I must deliver garbage to all!" ''[transforms and rolls out]''
:{{m-}} Ratchet's lack of people skills backfires again.

'''Lugnut''': Human! The AllSpark fragment{{m-}}now! 
'''Wreck-Gar''': No human here. I am Wreck-Gar! I am only good for one thing: ''GARBAGE''! 
'''Lugnut''': Are you an Autobot? 
'''Wreck-Gar''': I am Wreck-Gar! I am not an Autobot and will never be an Autobot! 
'''Lugnut''': Ah! Then you must be a Decepticon! 
'''Wreck-Gar''': I am Wreck-Gar! I...must be a Decepticon! 
''[Wreck-Gar places a Decepticon badge on his chest]'' 
'''Lugnut''': Aah, ALL HAIL MEGATRON! 
'''Wreck-Gar''': All hail Megatron! Uh...w-what's a 'Megatron'? 
:{{m-}} Wreck-Gar makes a new friend.

'''Lugnut''': Those accursed Autobots will pay for their insolence! 
'''Wreck-Gar''': Right! ''[Wreck-Gar pulls a burnt-out cash register]'' Cash, check or charbroil? 
'''Lugnut''': ''[Knocking the register out of Wreck-Gar's hands]'' ATTACK! 
'''Wreck-Gar''': Right! What kind of tack would you like? Thumb tack? Carpet tack? Income tack? 
'''Lugnut''': Rhaaah, nevermind. 
:{{m-}} Wreck-Gar can certainly teach Crazy Blitzwing a thing or two about being bonkers.

"You glitch-head! You're gonna destroy the whole city! You wouldn't dare do something THAT stupid!" 
"I am Wreck-Gar! I ''dare'' to be stupid! I will destroy the whole city!"
:{{m-}} '''Ratchet''' and '''Wreck-Gar'''. Yes, but does he count his chickens before they hatch?

"Fear not, fellow creatures of the deep, I am Wreck-Gar! I am a hero! Um...e-excuse me, c-could someone give me a hand...or-...or a fin...anyone?""
:{{m-}}'''Wreck-Gar''' begins a new life under the sea.

==Other notes==
* This episode was first shown on Friday, April 25th, at [[BotCon 2008]]. The version aired still had the time-code running in the top-left corner.

* This episode is the first to feature Ratchet's full robot-to-vehicle transformation animation sequence.

===Continuity errors===
* When removing trash into a boat, Optimus transforms, and suddenly his trailer evaporates, together with all the trash on it.

* Why don't Sari or Ratchet react to the key when it starts to glow, indicating the presence of AllSpark energy?

===Transformers references===
[[Image:Beemeatcycle.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Most fanwanky episode ever?]]
* Wreck-Gar interprets Lugnut's incoming rocket punch as an invitation to a high-five, and he happily delivers the [[universal greeting]].
* Wreck-Gar's shifting allegiance and red optics as he faces down Ratchet on the garbage scow appear to be callbacks to the [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|original Wreck-Gar]], who at first appeared to be an enemy to the Autobots in his movie appearance, complete with red optics, and was even marketed as such in television [[commercial]]s.

* The ''Animated'' incarnations of Spike and Carly, who made a cameo in [[Transform and Roll Out!|the pilot episode]], re-appear with speaking lines and even get their names called out. Corey Burton even reprises his post-[[The Transformers: The Movie|Movie]] voice for the adult [[Spike Witwicky]].

* Generation 1 Wreck-Gar's motorcycle alt mode can be spotted amongst the garbage that Wreck-Gar throws at Bumblebee.

===Real-world references===
* Wreck-Gar's "I ''dare'' to be stupid!" is, of course, a reference to one of [["Weird Al" Yankovic]]'s most well-known songs, "Dare to be Stupid", a Devo "style parody" that appeared on the soundtrack to [[The Transformers: The Movie|the original animated movie]] in the scene with the original Wreck-Gar.

* While driving Spike and Carly to the hospital, Ratchet drives past the Wyatt Toys toy store, a reference to Art Director [[Derrick Wyatt]] previously seen in "[[Sound and Fury]]".

* The line "You like me, you really like me!" refers to Sally Field's Oscar acceptance speech in 1985. Does this mean we can refer to the unnamed mayor Ratchet is holding as "Oscar"?

===Miscellaneous trivia===
* Even Megatron gets annoyed by Lugnut's constant worshiping. [[Inferno (BW)|Sound familiar]]?

* The mayor still doesn't talk, letting his aide speak for him instead.

* Aside from Wreck-Gar, Weird Al also voiced the Sumdac Systems technician who explains the new version of the nanobots to Porter C. Powell.

* This is the first time we see Lugnut use his mace/axe weapon. It is awesome. It gets eaten by microbots.

* Given that Carly is about to give birth when she seemed to have a wafer-thin profile in [[Transform and Roll Out!|the pilot]], the Autobots seem to have spent at least six months or so in Detroit.

*This episode sees the return of the human newscaster.

*Bulkhead appears, but has no lines.

*When Wreck-Gar Picked up two policeman, One of them Resembles Officer Dibble from [[wikipedia:Top Cat|Top Cat]]
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Ironhide (Animated)

2008-05-01T17:36:16Z

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{{disambig3|Ironhide}}
[[Image:Ironhideanimated.jpg|left|thumb|150px|"Leakin' promotional materials!"]]
:''Ironhide is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:AniHide.JPG|right|thumb|250px|"No, no, move the aerial to the left."]]
'''Ironhide''' is a Cybertronian officer with a Texan accent...somehow.

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Corey Burton]] (English), [[Kaspar Eichel]] (German)

{{spoiler|Mission Accomplished}}
Ironhide contacted [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] and revealed the Decepticons had begun an uprising, destroying a [[space bridge]] in the process. Before he could reveal all the details however, his transmission was cut short. {{storylink|Mission Accomplished}}

==Trivia==
*Ironhide's voicing is, of course, an homage to the original [[Peter Cullen]] portrayal of the character.
*Ironhide has a butt-chin. Tee-hee!

[[Category: Autobots]]
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Ironhide (Animated)

2008-04-28T16:07:24Z

82.17.140.55:

{{disambig3|Ironhide}}
[[Image:Ironhideanimated.jpg|left|thumb|150px|"Leakin' promotional materials!"]]
:''Ironhide is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:AniHide.JPG|right|thumb|250px|"No, no, move the aerial to the left."]]
'''Ironhide''' is a Cybertronian officer with a Texan accent...somehow.

==Fiction==
===''Transformers Animated''===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Corey Burton]] (English), [[Kaspar Eichel]] (German)

{{spoiler|Mission Accomplished}}
Ironhide contacted [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] and revealed the Decepticons had begun an uprising, destroying a [[space bridge]] in the process. Before he could reveal all the details however, his transmission was cut short. {{storylink|Mission Accomplished}}

==Trivia==
*Ironhide's voicing is, of course, an homage to the original [[Peter Cullen]] portrayal of the character.
*According to the Cartoon Network website minigame, his alliance lays with the Decepticons. This may explain Megatron's remark about a double agent in Ironhide's debut episode.

[[Category: Autobots]]
[[Category: Decepticons]]
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Megatron Rising - Part 2

2008-04-28T14:45:35Z

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[[Image:SexyBeast.JPG|right|thumb|300px|He's bringing sexy back, yeah!.]]

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'''The Autobots are decimated by the Decepticon invasion, but still must rally to prevent the All Spark from falling into their clutches. '''

==Summary==
[[Image:MegaPrime.JPG|left|thumb|200px|Oh, it is so on.]]
As Megatron descends to ground level, Optimus, Prowl and Bulkhead look on in disbelief. As he lands, Bulkhead takes point, launching his wrecking ball, but Megatron calmly slices it off before backhanding Bulkhead into a nearby
building. Prowl then attacks, but his throwing stars are easily deflected, and he finds himself on the defensive, dodging Megatron's swords. Taking cover behind a bridge support, he manages to avoid them, but Megatron's attacks destroy it, and two children are nearly crushed under the falling rubble, saved only by Optimus borrowing "a move from the Bumblebee play book", using a combination of his wheels and ax to dash forward and snatch the children up. Meanwhile, Prowl is pinned under Megatron's foot, and the Decepticon draws a sword, ready to take revenge for Prowl slicing off the remains of his arm fifty years ago. Optimus saves Prowl by using a combination of his grappler and ax to knock the sword from Megatron's grasp. The two leaders face off, but Megatron simply blocks Prime's blow and kicks him away. As Megatron reaches for his dropped sword, Optimus launches a grappler, tripping him. Megatron follows up by snapping the grappler's line and using it to swing Optimus into the side of a building.

[[Image:PayThePiper.JPG|right|thumb|200px|Megatron punishes Starscream for betrayal and goes against everything natural to Transformers lore.]]

In the tower, Blitzwing wants to join the fight, but Lugnut won't allow him to interfere in Megatron's business. As the two Decepticons argue, Dr. Sumdac tries to make a break for it, only to be blocked by Blitzwing. Meanwhile, Starscream holds a struggling Bumblebee while watching Optimus and Megatron battle, trying to decide whom he'll gain more from by helping, the Autobot or his would-be leader. On the ground, Optimus is taking a beating but says he will never reveal the AllSpark's location. Unfortunately, Megatron simply plans to use the [[Sari Sumdac's key|key]] to track down the [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]]. Punching Prime hard enough to send him skidding across the tarmac, Megatron calls out to his loyal Decepticons. Lugnut and Blitzwing immediately respond, and Starscream casually comments on his decision being made for him and throws Bumblebee away. As Lugnut prostrates himself, Starscream drops down on his head, ready to renew his tenure as Second in Command. Megatron comments on the appropriateness of Starscream's presence, takes aim on the Autobots...then quickly jams the key into Starscream's chest, seemingly draining him of life. Dropping the offline traitor, Megatron asks if there are any other dissenters. Getting a negative response, he turns back to the Autobots, only to discover they've used the distraction to escape. Blitzwing wants to chase after them, but Megatron believes the AllSpark takes priority. At his command the Decepticons transform and roll—er, rise up, tracking their prize.

Isaac rushes outside to find the Autobots badly damaged, and confesses to them that he had rebuilt Megatron. Bulkhead and Prowl seem angry, but Prime decides they have more urgent problems to worry about: they were outclassed by the Decepticons even when in perfect operating condition, and now no longer could rely on Sari's key to repair them. Isaac suspects that there may be enough residual radiation from the key left in his lab machinery to repair the Autobots, and they give his idea a try.

Ratchet, working to get the submerged [[Ark (Animated)|Ark]] flight-ready, sends out a security scan which detects the approach of Blackarachnia and Sari. Apparently the girl's sympathy from the previous episode was a ruse: she had been deliberately leading Blackarachnia in circles on the ice to waste time, and also had assumed the half-organic creature would not be able to stay underwater for long—a guess confirmed to be true by an outraged Blackarachnia, who becomes very threatening to Sari. Before the situation can get uglier, Ratchet surfaces the Ark through the ice beneath them, rescuing Sari and catapulting Blackarachnia helplessly through the sky. Sari's gratitude at being rescued quickly fades when she finds out that despite "all that crud" about responsible handling, Ratchet lost her key.

Back at Sumdac Tower, the Autobots are more or less repaired by the leftover energy in the lab machines. Knowing they are still sore at him, Optimus apologizes for his earlier bad attitude and asks them to repair their friendships as well. Sumdac is still feeling guilty about rebuilding Megatron and offers his assistance, though the Autobots are skeptical—both of his loyalty and of what a mere human could offer them. Before they can decide, Ratchet and Sari arrive in the Ark. The Autobots board the ship, which by now has come under heavy bombardment from the Decepticons.

[[Image:Megatron Rising 2 Autobots assemble.jpg|thumb|left|200px|"[[Avengers]], assemble!"]]

The Autobots attempt to fly the Ark into space, drawing the Decepticons away from Earth's civilians—but some well-aimed missiles wreck the ship's vital systems and that idea along with it. The vessel crashes into the side of the volcanic cone on [[Dinobot Island]]. The Autobots gear up for what will surely be a climactic battle; Prime states he is proud to have his current team by his side, while Bumblebee says he'd just as happily have the [[Elite Guard]]. The Decepticons close in for their attack, and the Autobots use some of their tactics learned throughout the series to throw them off-balance: Ratchet and Bumblebee combine powers to generate an electromagnetic pulse that temporarily disables Blitzwing, and Bulkhead uses his sheer... ''Bulkheadness''... to force Lugnut to crash. Back on the ship, Isaac is trying to jerry-rig a weapon to use against Megatron; recognizing that they might not survive, he tries to tell Sari something that had been a secret, but instead of listening she rushes off to ask the AllSpark to give her more power so she can help her friends. She asks it why she had been chosen in the first place, but doesn't understand its cryptic "charades" answer.

[[Image:Megatron Rising 2 All Spark Megs boom.jpg|200px|thumb|Oh, this is gonna hurt...]]

Unable to match the Decepticons in sheer power, the Autobots manage to prevail by using their own teamwork and playing off the Decepticons' weaknesses—thanks to some clever 'bot tactics, the schizoid Blitzwing and overly talkative Lugnut are basically encouraged to defeat themselves. But Megatron has no apparent weaknesses, except perhaps being cluttered with little shards of Optimus Prime after he finishes beating on the Autobot. Their one-sided fight carries them into the hold of the Ark, where Megatron succeeds in acquiring the AllSpark. Before he can celebrate, he is temporarily downed by Isaac, who knows enough about Megatron's circuitry to disable his equilibrium sensors—but although he drops the key in his stumble, the tyrant isn't down for long. Megatron is about to finish Prime, when Sari hurls Prime the key and he jams it into the AllSpark's spherical casing, cracking it open. A destabilized Megatron flees the Ark before the AllSpark explodes inside his chest, dispersing its energy throughout the atmosphere.

The key is now the single most powerful Cybertronian artifact, and too important to be entrusted to the care of an Autobot—so Prime returns it to Sari, who uses it to repair all her friends as usual. Megatron still functions and has plans for his new prisoner, Isaac Sumdac.

==Stats==

*'''Written by:''' [[Marty Isenberg]]
*'''Directed by:''' [[Ben Jones]], [[Ciro Nieli]], & [[Shunji Oga]]
*'''Original airdate:''' April 5, 2008

===Featured characters===

(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)''
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"

! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human]]s
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |

*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (1)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (2)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (3)
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (8)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (10)

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |

*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (4)
*[[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] (9)
*[[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] (5)
*[[Lugnut]] (6)
*[[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] (11)

| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |

*[[Isaac Sumdac]] (7)
*[[Sari Sumdac]] (12)

|}

==Quotes==

"Time to borrow a move from the Bumblebee playbook." 
:{{m-}}'''Optimus Prime''' realising that a giant ax can't solve everything

"Decepticons, transform and rise up!" 
:{{m-}}'''Megatron''' coins his own version of [[Roll out|"Transform, and roll out!"]].

'''Isaac''': Oh dear, this is all my fault! 
'''Sari''': What? It's not like you built Megatron in your lab or anything. 
''[Isaac Sumdac looks away and uncomfortably taps his fingers]'' 
'''Sari''': YOU BUILT MEGATRON IN YOUR LAB?! 
'''Ratchet''': On the bright side, now I don't feel so bad about losing your key. 
:{{m-}}One of several awkward moments this episode for Isaac Sumdac.

"If we go down, we go down fighting. And I can't think of a better band of Autobots I'd be prouder to fight alongside." 
"Not even the Cybertron Elite Guard? Because I sure wouldn't mind having them here now." 
:{{m-}}'''Optimus Prime''' prepares to [[Furmanism|fight and die]] while '''Bumblebee''' would rather fight and live.

'''Ratchet''': Electromagnetic pulse, kid! 
''[Bumblebee and Ratchet cross their powers together and short out Blitzwing]'' 
'''Calm Blitzwing''': Curious. My electrical systems have gone offline. Which means{{m-}} 
'''Crazy Blitzwing''': I'M FALLING!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
:{{m-}} Crazy Blitzwing finds humor in everything.

'''Bumblebee''': I thought I saw him go down along the shore. 
''[Crazy Blitzwing appears in tank mode and starts firing at the Autobots]'' 
'''Crazy Blitzwing''': The only one going down, is you!
:{{m-}} Crazy Blitzwing quickly disses Bumblebee.

'''Bumblebee''': So what do we do now? Wait for him to turn into a tank and crash like last time? 
'''Ratchet''': Nobody gets that lucky twice. 
'''Prowl''': Perhaps we can make our own luck. I've noticed a connection between Blitzwing's multiple personalities and his vehicle modes. We can use that weakness against him...but it will require using Bumblebee's greatest strength. 
'''Bumblebee''': What, my stingers? My turbo-speed? 
'''Prowl''': Your obnoxious personality. 
:{{m-}}Prowl nails friend and foe alike with ninja precision.

[[Image:Megatron Rising 2 Blitzwing tank crash.jpg|thumb|200px|Curiously enough, the only thing that went through the mind of the tank as it fell was ''"Oh slag, not again"''. Many people have speculated that if we knew exactly why the tank had thought that we would know a lot more about the nature of the universe than we do now.]]
'''Bumblebee''': Hey, Blitzbrain! Is that your jet mode, or did your pal Lugnut dump out some spare parts? 
''[Blitzwing in jet mode fires two ice missiles at Bumblebee, narrowly missing him]'' 
'''Bumblebee''': How come you have three faces? Couldn't decide which was the ugliest? 
''[Two more missiles from Blitzwing miss Bumblebee]'' 
'''Bumblebee''': And who uses ice as a weapon? What are you? A refrigerator? 
'''Angry Blitzwing''': ''[Transforms to tank mode from jet mode]'' YOU WANT HEAT!? I'LL GIVE YOU MORE THAN YOU CAN HANDLE{{m-}}OH SLAG, NOT AGA{{m-}}!
 ''[Crashes through ice into the lake]'' 
:{{m-}} Angry Blitzwing is his own worst enemy.

"You all fought like Autobots! I can't tell you how proud I am of each and every one of you." 
"Go on, tell us. We can take it!" 
:{{m-}}'''Optimus Prime''' praises the Autobots while '''Bumblebee''' showcases his recently discussed "greatest strength".

"I trust you are comfortable in your chair!" 
:{{m-}}'''Megatron''' to Isaac Sumdac. The choice of furniture was destined to come back to haunt him.

==Other notes==

===Continuity errors===
* At the beginning of the series, years were measured as solar cycles to Transformers, but Megatron refers to years as stellar cycles.
* Megatron said that Prowl slashed off his arm, while he actually lost it due to Starscream planting a bomb on his back. Prowl ''did'', however, slash a part off that remained after the explosion.
* In "[[Lost and Found (Animated episode)|Lost and Found]]", Ratchet reveals that even with the key, the ship would not be operational for a "long, long time," but in this episode he is able to get it spaceworthy in about two minutes—without the key and with only one arm. However, the course of the series makes it clear that many months are going by, so it's possible the Autobots had enough of a "long time" necessary to repair the ship off-camera.
* Sari recognizes Megatron from his new Earth alt mode, despite never seeing it before. She also seems to know who Megatron is, despite never being told, either. Unless you count her experience with the AllSpark, which never gives a name, just an image.
* Megatron asks Professor Sumdac if he is comfortable in his chair in the form of Megatron's hand, despite it being the wrong hand.

===Animation errors===
* When Ratchet catches Sari after Blackarachnia drops her, his right arm is intact. In the next scene, it's gone again.
* Also, when Ratchet, Bumblebee and Prowl are planning on how to stop Blitzwing, Ratchet's arm is intact again, but in the next shot, it's gone again. This happens constantly during the final battle.
* When Blitzwing changes faces after Megatron coldcocks Starscream, his face rotates vertically, not horizontally as it usually does.
* The black lanyard attached to Sari's [[Sari Sumdac's Key|key]] keeps disappearing and reappearing.
* Optimus Prime appears ''really'' tiny when he's shown sitting at the ''Ark''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s door at the end.

===Transformers references===
[[Image:Ark in mountain.jpg|150px||thumb|right|Moral of the story: [[Ark II|Autobots]] [[Ark-19|cannot]] [[Ark (G1)|drive]].]]
* The manner in which the ''[[Ark (Animated)|Ark]]'' sticks out of the rock is reminiscent of the [[Ark (G1)|original ''Ark'']].

* [[Cyber Planet Key|A key as the most powerful Cybertronian artifact?]] [[Key to Vector Sigma|Most familiar]].

* [[Heart of Cybertron|Putting the AllSpark into his chest]] did not kill Megatron, unlike his [[Megatron (Movie)|second cousin twice removed]].

*The AllSpark gets dispersed in this episode, just like [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Prime]] did with a [[Matrix of Leadership|nearly identical artifact]] after his [[The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2|resurrection]].

===Miscellaneous trivia===
* The intro has a number of new sound effects added in.

* Despite the fact the ''Ark'' crashed on [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]], [[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]] and company are nowhere to be seen.

* Since virtually the beginning of the series, fans have been theorizing that Sari may be more than she appears (see [[Sari Sumdac#Sari and fans|her own article]] for all the details), and this episode includes the first serious in-show hint in that direction. In addition to Professor Sumdac attempting to tell Sari "something important" when he thinks it's possible that they're about to die, a point is repeatedly made of noting that the AllSpark "chose" Sari, and when she asks it why, it projects an image of a DNA strand with a [[spark|glowing, blue orb]] at its center. Hmmm...

* Sari bites Blackarachnia's hand, and somehow, the latter feels pain. Ordinarily, this could be explained away if one supposes that Blackarachnia's hand in robot mode is organic, but you can hear a metallic clang as Sari chomps down on it. That girl has some ''teeth'' on her.

* After 24 years, the Decepticons ''finally'' have an equivalent of "Transform and Roll Out." And it's one that makes perfect sense, considering that traditionally, most Decepticons can fly. Even after taking that into consideration, the frequent depiction in Transformers lore of the Decepticons as an insurgent army ''rising'' to glory and conquest lends it a certain poetic elegance as well. "Decepticons, transform and rise up!"

* Megatron's [[stock footage|transforming sequence]] from helicopter to robot is ''mostly'' the sequence of robot to helicopter played backwards with a few shots added—or possibly, the robot-to-helicopter sequence is ''actually'' the helicopter-to-robot sequence played backwards with certain shots ''removed''. The added/deleted shots are seemingly designed solely for a vehicle-to-robot sequence (such as the reveal of his hands, head, and final elegant "Power Pose"), making the latter guess more likely.

* Megatron actually punishes Starscream for betraying him. You can count on one hand all the times that has happened in every Transformers series prior to this, combined. And [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] blasting [[Starscream (G1)|him]] to dust doesn't count.

* The ''Animated'' Decepticons seem to do a better job battling the Autobots when Megatron isn't commanding them.

* This episode proves that ''Animated'' Megatron is awesome and a total badass. But we had already guessed that.

*We now know Starscream Reappears in the season 2 3rd episode but it is unknown if black arachnia survived the fall.

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Megatron Rising - Part 2

2008-04-28T14:45:14Z

82.17.140.55: /* Miscellaneous trivia */

[[Image:SexyBeast.JPG|right|thumb|300px|He's bringing sexy back, yeah!.]]

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'''The Autobots are decimated by the Decepticon invasion, but still must rally to prevent the All Spark from falling into their clutches. '''

==Summary==
[[Image:MegaPrime.JPG|left|thumb|200px|Oh, it is so on.]]
As Megatron descends to ground level, Optimus, Prowl and Bulkhead look on in disbelief. As he lands, Bulkhead takes point, launching his wrecking ball, but Megatron calmly slices it off before backhanding Bulkhead into a nearby
building. Prowl then attacks, but his throwing stars are easily deflected, and he finds himself on the defensive, dodging Megatron's swords. Taking cover behind a bridge support, he manages to avoid them, but Megatron's attacks destroy it, and two children are nearly crushed under the falling rubble, saved only by Optimus borrowing "a move from the Bumblebee play book", using a combination of his wheels and ax to dash forward and snatch the children up. Meanwhile, Prowl is pinned under Megatron's foot, and the Decepticon draws a sword, ready to take revenge for Prowl slicing off the remains of his arm fifty years ago. Optimus saves Prowl by using a combination of his grappler and ax to knock the sword from Megatron's grasp. The two leaders face off, but Megatron simply blocks Prime's blow and kicks him away. As Megatron reaches for his dropped sword, Optimus launches a grappler, tripping him. Megatron follows up by snapping the grappler's line and using it to swing Optimus into the side of a building.

[[Image:PayThePiper.JPG|right|thumb|200px|Megatron punishes Starscream for betrayal and goes against everything natural to Transformers lore.]]

In the tower, Blitzwing wants to join the fight, but Lugnut won't allow him to interfere in Megatron's business. As the two Decepticons argue, Dr. Sumdac tries to make a break for it, only to be blocked by Blitzwing. Meanwhile, Starscream holds a struggling Bumblebee while watching Optimus and Megatron battle, trying to decide whom he'll gain more from by helping, the Autobot or his would-be leader. On the ground, Optimus is taking a beating but says he will never reveal the AllSpark's location. Unfortunately, Megatron simply plans to use the [[Sari Sumdac's key|key]] to track down the [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]]. Punching Prime hard enough to send him skidding across the tarmac, Megatron calls out to his loyal Decepticons. Lugnut and Blitzwing immediately respond, and Starscream casually comments on his decision being made for him and throws Bumblebee away. As Lugnut prostrates himself, Starscream drops down on his head, ready to renew his tenure as Second in Command. Megatron comments on the appropriateness of Starscream's presence, takes aim on the Autobots...then quickly jams the key into Starscream's chest, seemingly draining him of life. Dropping the offline traitor, Megatron asks if there are any other dissenters. Getting a negative response, he turns back to the Autobots, only to discover they've used the distraction to escape. Blitzwing wants to chase after them, but Megatron believes the AllSpark takes priority. At his command the Decepticons transform and roll—er, rise up, tracking their prize.

Isaac rushes outside to find the Autobots badly damaged, and confesses to them that he had rebuilt Megatron. Bulkhead and Prowl seem angry, but Prime decides they have more urgent problems to worry about: they were outclassed by the Decepticons even when in perfect operating condition, and now no longer could rely on Sari's key to repair them. Isaac suspects that there may be enough residual radiation from the key left in his lab machinery to repair the Autobots, and they give his idea a try.

Ratchet, working to get the submerged [[Ark (Animated)|Ark]] flight-ready, sends out a security scan which detects the approach of Blackarachnia and Sari. Apparently the girl's sympathy from the previous episode was a ruse: she had been deliberately leading Blackarachnia in circles on the ice to waste time, and also had assumed the half-organic creature would not be able to stay underwater for long—a guess confirmed to be true by an outraged Blackarachnia, who becomes very threatening to Sari. Before the situation can get uglier, Ratchet surfaces the Ark through the ice beneath them, rescuing Sari and catapulting Blackarachnia helplessly through the sky. Sari's gratitude at being rescued quickly fades when she finds out that despite "all that crud" about responsible handling, Ratchet lost her key.

Back at Sumdac Tower, the Autobots are more or less repaired by the leftover energy in the lab machines. Knowing they are still sore at him, Optimus apologizes for his earlier bad attitude and asks them to repair their friendships as well. Sumdac is still feeling guilty about rebuilding Megatron and offers his assistance, though the Autobots are skeptical—both of his loyalty and of what a mere human could offer them. Before they can decide, Ratchet and Sari arrive in the Ark. The Autobots board the ship, which by now has come under heavy bombardment from the Decepticons.

[[Image:Megatron Rising 2 Autobots assemble.jpg|thumb|left|200px|"[[Avengers]], assemble!"]]

The Autobots attempt to fly the Ark into space, drawing the Decepticons away from Earth's civilians—but some well-aimed missiles wreck the ship's vital systems and that idea along with it. The vessel crashes into the side of the volcanic cone on [[Dinobot Island]]. The Autobots gear up for what will surely be a climactic battle; Prime states he is proud to have his current team by his side, while Bumblebee says he'd just as happily have the [[Elite Guard]]. The Decepticons close in for their attack, and the Autobots use some of their tactics learned throughout the series to throw them off-balance: Ratchet and Bumblebee combine powers to generate an electromagnetic pulse that temporarily disables Blitzwing, and Bulkhead uses his sheer... ''Bulkheadness''... to force Lugnut to crash. Back on the ship, Isaac is trying to jerry-rig a weapon to use against Megatron; recognizing that they might not survive, he tries to tell Sari something that had been a secret, but instead of listening she rushes off to ask the AllSpark to give her more power so she can help her friends. She asks it why she had been chosen in the first place, but doesn't understand its cryptic "charades" answer.

[[Image:Megatron Rising 2 All Spark Megs boom.jpg|200px|thumb|Oh, this is gonna hurt...]]

Unable to match the Decepticons in sheer power, the Autobots manage to prevail by using their own teamwork and playing off the Decepticons' weaknesses—thanks to some clever 'bot tactics, the schizoid Blitzwing and overly talkative Lugnut are basically encouraged to defeat themselves. But Megatron has no apparent weaknesses, except perhaps being cluttered with little shards of Optimus Prime after he finishes beating on the Autobot. Their one-sided fight carries them into the hold of the Ark, where Megatron succeeds in acquiring the AllSpark. Before he can celebrate, he is temporarily downed by Isaac, who knows enough about Megatron's circuitry to disable his equilibrium sensors—but although he drops the key in his stumble, the tyrant isn't down for long. Megatron is about to finish Prime, when Sari hurls Prime the key and he jams it into the AllSpark's spherical casing, cracking it open. A destabilized Megatron flees the Ark before the AllSpark explodes inside his chest, dispersing its energy throughout the atmosphere.

The key is now the single most powerful Cybertronian artifact, and too important to be entrusted to the care of an Autobot—so Prime returns it to Sari, who uses it to repair all her friends as usual. Megatron still functions and has plans for his new prisoner, Isaac Sumdac.

==Stats==

*'''Written by:''' [[Marty Isenberg]]
*'''Directed by:''' [[Ben Jones]], [[Ciro Nieli]], & [[Shunji Oga]]
*'''Original airdate:''' April 5, 2008

===Featured characters===

(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)''
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"

! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human]]s
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |

*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (1)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (2)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (3)
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (8)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (10)

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |

*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (4)
*[[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] (9)
*[[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] (5)
*[[Lugnut]] (6)
*[[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] (11)

| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |

*[[Isaac Sumdac]] (7)
*[[Sari Sumdac]] (12)

|}

==Quotes==

"Time to borrow a move from the Bumblebee playbook." 
:{{m-}}'''Optimus Prime''' realising that a giant ax can't solve everything

"Decepticons, transform and rise up!" 
:{{m-}}'''Megatron''' coins his own version of [[Roll out|"Transform, and roll out!"]].

'''Isaac''': Oh dear, this is all my fault! 
'''Sari''': What? It's not like you built Megatron in your lab or anything. 
''[Isaac Sumdac looks away and uncomfortably taps his fingers]'' 
'''Sari''': YOU BUILT MEGATRON IN YOUR LAB?! 
'''Ratchet''': On the bright side, now I don't feel so bad about losing your key. 
:{{m-}}One of several awkward moments this episode for Isaac Sumdac.

"If we go down, we go down fighting. And I can't think of a better band of Autobots I'd be prouder to fight alongside." 
"Not even the Cybertron Elite Guard? Because I sure wouldn't mind having them here now." 
:{{m-}}'''Optimus Prime''' prepares to [[Furmanism|fight and die]] while '''Bumblebee''' would rather fight and live.

'''Ratchet''': Electromagnetic pulse, kid! 
''[Bumblebee and Ratchet cross their powers together and short out Blitzwing]'' 
'''Calm Blitzwing''': Curious. My electrical systems have gone offline. Which means{{m-}} 
'''Crazy Blitzwing''': I'M FALLING!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
:{{m-}} Crazy Blitzwing finds humor in everything.

'''Bumblebee''': I thought I saw him go down along the shore. 
''[Crazy Blitzwing appears in tank mode and starts firing at the Autobots]'' 
'''Crazy Blitzwing''': The only one going down, is you!
:{{m-}} Crazy Blitzwing quickly disses Bumblebee.

'''Bumblebee''': So what do we do now? Wait for him to turn into a tank and crash like last time? 
'''Ratchet''': Nobody gets that lucky twice. 
'''Prowl''': Perhaps we can make our own luck. I've noticed a connection between Blitzwing's multiple personalities and his vehicle modes. We can use that weakness against him...but it will require using Bumblebee's greatest strength. 
'''Bumblebee''': What, my stingers? My turbo-speed? 
'''Prowl''': Your obnoxious personality. 
:{{m-}}Prowl nails friend and foe alike with ninja precision.

[[Image:Megatron Rising 2 Blitzwing tank crash.jpg|thumb|200px|Curiously enough, the only thing that went through the mind of the tank as it fell was ''"Oh slag, not again"''. Many people have speculated that if we knew exactly why the tank had thought that we would know a lot more about the nature of the universe than we do now.]]
'''Bumblebee''': Hey, Blitzbrain! Is that your jet mode, or did your pal Lugnut dump out some spare parts? 
''[Blitzwing in jet mode fires two ice missiles at Bumblebee, narrowly missing him]'' 
'''Bumblebee''': How come you have three faces? Couldn't decide which was the ugliest? 
''[Two more missiles from Blitzwing miss Bumblebee]'' 
'''Bumblebee''': And who uses ice as a weapon? What are you? A refrigerator? 
'''Angry Blitzwing''': ''[Transforms to tank mode from jet mode]'' YOU WANT HEAT!? I'LL GIVE YOU MORE THAN YOU CAN HANDLE{{m-}}OH SLAG, NOT AGA{{m-}}!
 ''[Crashes through ice into the lake]'' 
:{{m-}} Angry Blitzwing is his own worst enemy.

"You all fought like Autobots! I can't tell you how proud I am of each and every one of you." 
"Go on, tell us. We can take it!" 
:{{m-}}'''Optimus Prime''' praises the Autobots while '''Bumblebee''' showcases his recently discussed "greatest strength".

"I trust you are comfortable in your chair!" 
:{{m-}}'''Megatron''' to Isaac Sumdac. The choice of furniture was destined to come back to haunt him.

==Other notes==

===Continuity errors===
* At the beginning of the series, years were measured as solar cycles to Transformers, but Megatron refers to years as stellar cycles.
* Megatron said that Prowl slashed off his arm, while he actually lost it due to Starscream planting a bomb on his back. Prowl ''did'', however, slash a part off that remained after the explosion.
* In "[[Lost and Found (Animated episode)|Lost and Found]]", Ratchet reveals that even with the key, the ship would not be operational for a "long, long time," but in this episode he is able to get it spaceworthy in about two minutes—without the key and with only one arm. However, the course of the series makes it clear that many months are going by, so it's possible the Autobots had enough of a "long time" necessary to repair the ship off-camera.
* Sari recognizes Megatron from his new Earth alt mode, despite never seeing it before. She also seems to know who Megatron is, despite never being told, either. Unless you count her experience with the AllSpark, which never gives a name, just an image.
* Megatron asks Professor Sumdac if he is comfortable in his chair in the form of Megatron's hand, despite it being the wrong hand.

===Animation errors===
* When Ratchet catches Sari after Blackarachnia drops her, his right arm is intact. In the next scene, it's gone again.
* Also, when Ratchet, Bumblebee and Prowl are planning on how to stop Blitzwing, Ratchet's arm is intact again, but in the next shot, it's gone again. This happens constantly during the final battle.
* When Blitzwing changes faces after Megatron coldcocks Starscream, his face rotates vertically, not horizontally as it usually does.
* The black lanyard attached to Sari's [[Sari Sumdac's Key|key]] keeps disappearing and reappearing.
* Optimus Prime appears ''really'' tiny when he's shown sitting at the ''Ark''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s door at the end.

===Transformers references===
[[Image:Ark in mountain.jpg|150px||thumb|right|Moral of the story: [[Ark II|Autobots]] [[Ark-19|cannot]] [[Ark (G1)|drive]].]]
* The manner in which the ''[[Ark (Animated)|Ark]]'' sticks out of the rock is reminiscent of the [[Ark (G1)|original ''Ark'']].

* [[Cyber Planet Key|A key as the most powerful Cybertronian artifact?]] [[Key to Vector Sigma|Most familiar]].

* [[Heart of Cybertron|Putting the AllSpark into his chest]] did not kill Megatron, unlike his [[Megatron (Movie)|second cousin twice removed]].

*The AllSpark gets dispersed in this episode, just like [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Prime]] did with a [[Matrix of Leadership|nearly identical artifact]] after his [[The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2|resurrection]].

===Miscellaneous trivia===
* The intro has a number of new sound effects added in.

* Despite the fact the ''Ark'' crashed on [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]], [[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]] and company are nowhere to be seen.

* Since virtually the beginning of the series, fans have been theorizing that Sari may be more than she appears (see [[Sari Sumdac#Sari and fans|her own article]] for all the details), and this episode includes the first serious in-show hint in that direction. In addition to Professor Sumdac attempting to tell Sari "something important" when he thinks it's possible that they're about to die, a point is repeatedly made of noting that the AllSpark "chose" Sari, and when she asks it why, it projects an image of a DNA strand with a [[spark|glowing, blue orb]] at its center. Hmmm...

* Sari bites Blackarachnia's hand, and somehow, the latter feels pain. Ordinarily, this could be explained away if one supposes that Blackarachnia's hand in robot mode is organic, but you can hear a metallic clang as Sari chomps down on it. That girl has some ''teeth'' on her.

* After 24 years, the Decepticons ''finally'' have an equivalent of "Transform and Roll Out." And it's one that makes perfect sense, considering that traditionally, most Decepticons can fly. Even after taking that into consideration, the frequent depiction in Transformers lore of the Decepticons as an insurgent army ''rising'' to glory and conquest lends it a certain poetic elegance as well. "Decepticons, transform and rise up!"

* Megatron's [[stock footage|transforming sequence]] from helicopter to robot is ''mostly'' the sequence of robot to helicopter played backwards with a few shots added—or possibly, the robot-to-helicopter sequence is ''actually'' the helicopter-to-robot sequence played backwards with certain shots ''removed''. The added/deleted shots are seemingly designed solely for a vehicle-to-robot sequence (such as the reveal of his hands, head, and final elegant "Power Pose"), making the latter guess more likely.

* Megatron actually punishes Starscream for betraying him. You can count on one hand all the times that has happened in every Transformers series prior to this, combined. And [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] blasting [[Starscream (G1)|him]] to dust doesn't count.

* The ''Animated'' Decepticons seem to do a better job battling the Autobots when Megatron isn't commanding them.

* This episode proves that ''Animated'' Megatron is awesome and a total badass. But we had already guessed that.

*We now know Starscream Reappears in the season 2 3rd episode but it is unknown if black arachnia survived the fall. [[User:82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 14:45, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:Megatron (RID)

2008-04-21T19:36:42Z

82.17.140.55: /* CHIPCHIPCHIPCHIP!!!! */

IS their any REAL evidence for Dimensional/Time travel in RiD? I was under the impression that this was just a persistant but never substantieted net-legend. Both Megs page here and the Pred. page have references to travelling through time or dimensions. We have a sourse on that or does it need to be taken out?
:None I'm aware of. Although I kinda like the concept as a sort of "mysterious history," so I wrote something vague about it into Megatron's profile for the R2 RiD DVDs. How'd that go... uh... something like, "Whispered rumours say that Megatron and his Predacons may have come from another place... another time... but in the here and now, one thing is clear - all of Earth's energy will be his, and not even Optimus Prime will stand in his way!" - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 01:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Currently, I suspect that the "interdimensional" thing came from the story blurb in the first Car Robots catalog, but I have yet to get appropriately-sized scans for translation of same. When I get both, I'll post them up here, just to have it clear either way. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 15:00, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Um, since when has Megatron Megabolt ever been known as an upgrade to RiD Megatron? I mean, there's little canon beyond his toy bio, but if it was intended as such, wouldn't it have been written as "Megabolt Megatron" (in much the same manner as "Powerlinx Hot Shot"), rather than the current? If anything, the odd way of parsing the name almost makes it sound like Megatron is as much as a title (akin to Prime) as it is a name. Just curious, is all.. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 07:40, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
: Megatron Megabolt's bio is clearly written to be RiD Megatron, and the toy was even released in Robots in Disguise packaging. There's... very little doubt about this. His identity has even been confirmed by [[Andrew Frankel]], who pushed the toy into store exclusive status after Beast Machines ended, if you really have to have additional confirmation. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:53, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
:: Okay, thanks. I had not known about the Frankel part. I thought someone was just connecting dots that weren't there. Like if someone were to suddenly shout "Banzai-tron is REALLY just Bludgeon!" because they're both martial artists who hang out with CRABS. But yes, thanks for clearing up the confusion.
:::Considering he's a Predacon who recently became a Decepticon (like in RiD), is focused on wanting to take over/conquer Earth (like in RiD), and transforms into a head which is called an "Emissary mode," referring to "Emissary," the name for Fort Max's head component in the RiD cartoon, AND is in Robots in Disguise packaging, I don't really see how the heck there's any confusion here to begin with. BW Megatron didn't want to do ANY of that stuff. All of those are direct, obvious connections to RiD Megatron. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:04, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
:::I put that info in the article. You can count on me to stear clear of "connecting dots that aren't there." I hate that kind of specuation. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 12:35, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

==Other Image==

Well, Siph wanted this deleted, but here it is for now.

--[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 08:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[[Image:RIDMegatron1.jpg|thumb]]

==God?==
Just out of curiousity, why is this included under the category of "Gods?" Unless I missed it, the article doesn't really mention anything of the sort about him being any kind of deity. - [[User:LBD Nytetrayn|LBD Nytetrayn]]
:I GOT YOUR ANSWER RIGHT HERE SNACK PACK cos in japan he is a ultimate god of destruction {{unsigned|58.165.241.232|07:11, 5 August 2007}}

I think it's mostly because once he reached the Galvatron/Devil Gigatron phase, he functionally ''was'' a god.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 18:22, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

== Megabolt Maximus Image ==

Hope no one minds. [[User:The Jedi|The Jedi]] 18:07, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:Ain't seeing anything,since his interactability is the most notable thing about his toy,why does it keep getting deleted? i mean come on,at least keep an external link in the references section.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 19:42, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

== CHIPCHIPCHIPCHIP!!!! ==

Is Shane Anderson or anyone who reads Shane's comics http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=91364&page=3 here? The stuff on Megabolt's toy mentions chips.

== It's not 6, it's 10 as a toy ==
According to the Ultimate guide of the transformers, Megatron had ten forms (robot, Bat, Dragon, Jet, Claw, Car, Elephant, Cruiser and two devil forms) [[User:82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 19:36, 21 April 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Talk:Cyclonus (G1)

2008-04-21T19:26:30Z

82.17.140.55: /* Bombshell description */

==Main Image==

Do you guys think I should bother scanning in that image of angry Cyclonus brooding in a chair from TF: Genesis? Not that I don't like the Pioneer DVD image (I uploaded that one myself) but that other pic is pretty sweet. Worth the effort? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:43, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:I love Cyclonus' box art. I hate you. And someday I will destroy you utterly. -[[User:LV|LV]] 01:51, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

==Stuff==

Oh Good, I was wonderign if Cyclonus had an article big enough to support all these pictures. The answer is apparently 'yes' Nice work McFeely -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:52, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I was under the impression that Cyclonus, Scourge, and Galvatron were all considered to be the heralds of Unicron. Perhaps they weren't specifically named as such in the movie, but I thought that it was sort of a given that that's what they were. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 10:44, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
:We're supposed to stick with canonical information, not retarded fan terms years after the fact that aren't accurate to the actual meaning of the word. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 14:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
:I think, truthfully, in the movie Galvatron is the only herald, and the rest are his "troops to command." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:50, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
::I still don't see how the movie guys are heralds. They weren't sent somewhere to prepare for Unicron's arrival; all Unicorn had them do was try to destroy the Matrix. Moot point, I guess, since the G1 Galvatron in the Armada comics actually was a herald. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 17:03, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
:::For the record, Cyclonus is now included on the Heralds of Unicron page. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 21:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Who is Cyclonus? ==

# This section is too long.
# It doesn't mention the HoC Cyclonus spec, which seems to present a sane perspective on the issue. ([http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/b22f78deda9fad3d?dmode=source&hl=en quoted] here because Neale was X-no-archiving because he doesn't understand copyright law.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:42, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

It could probably be pared down a little, but in my opinion the section ''should'' be moderately long. Anyway, the HoC thing... so... what, it just ambiguously says he's made from dead guys? Like the TFU entry apparently does? Sure, that could stand to be mentioned. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 04:41, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

: The dead guy'''s''', plural, struck me as the relevant part here. This entire section hand-wrings over Skywarp-or-Bombshell, but we have a source explicitly saying he's '''not''' made from any single Decepticon. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

::We've had a source like that since 1986. It's the TFU profile, as noted already. -[[User:LV|LV]] 20:27, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

:::<nowiki>*pretends he was aware of this.*</nowiki> I still feel the plurality issue if under-represented (being presented as if it was part of one of many viewpoints- not the only word of cannon in a vacuum.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:59, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I just moved some text over from [[Cyclonus's Armada]]. I am curious about the statement here -- and it was also in the other article -- that there are "three" Sweeps shown through the movie. I know that in Season 3 there were way more than that. Did we really never get above three in the film itself? Has somebody carefully gone through and made sure that only three appear, or is this something where one time some random fan saw a shot that had three and was like, "oh hey the armada *became* a sweep" and then everybody just repeats that until the end of time? Also, would it be dumb to split this section off into its own page so it won't bog down the main Cyclonus article? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 23:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

==Extra pic==

*Old pic of Cyclonus' frighteningly ugly box art. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 19:56, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[[Image:Cyclonus_toy.jpg|right|250px|thumb|]]

==Bombshell description==
This comes from the comparison of Bombshell and Skywarp's personalities:
:''Other aspects of the argument make claims regarding the personalities of the characters; for example, Bombshell held a high-ranking position within Insecticons (alternating leadership with Shrapnel)...''
So, what, Bombshell and Shrapnel just took turns bossing [[Kickback]] around? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 23:43, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

:I thought that sounded strange when I read it. I've always considered Shrapnel the de facto leader behind the Insecticons... I don't really recall Bombshell ever calling the shots. Can someone point me to some episodes /comic issues where I can see this? [[User:Rose.T|Rose.T]] 16:34, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

==one pic==
At least one pic isn't funny. [[User:82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 19:26, 21 April 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

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==Ratchet's war wound==
I noticed that Ratchet still has his war wound in this episode. Should we take this as confirmation that he didn't reattach the EMP generator? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 01:26, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
:I'm beginning to think he's left it unattached on purpose to ensure he remembers "for those who can't". This may require rewording the mention of it in the notes for [[Nanosec (episode)|Nanosec]]. In fact, I think I will.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 01:51, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
::He seemed pretty ticked off that a tool for healing had gotten a reputation as Lockdown's signature weapon.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:46, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Are you suggesting his motivation for not attaching it is that the tool's gotten a bad rep from Lockdown using it? I suppose that can't be ruled out, but I'd think using it for good would be the best way to fix that problem.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 03:02, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

==The Anchor Man==
Is it just me, or did he get a new voice actor? And if he did...is it important enough to note?
--[[User:Kapu37|Kapu37]] 14:39, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
:Credits said it was still Bumper Robinson. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 14:41, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

==Soundwave's Decepticon insignia==
Yes, I know he's pretty much got one on the show because his toy does, and yes, Megatron created and contacted him, but it's (I think) worth noting that none of the Autobots notice he's a Decepticon. A similar phenomenon exists with the Dinobots (who have Autobrands, while not yet having joined the team). Do we count it as an animation error, or a stylistic device invisible to the characters? (Other options include "Bulkhead's blind and a complete moron" and "I'm reading too much into this.") [[User:76dot195dot91dot222|76dot195dot91dot222]] 22:17, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

==First Picture quote==
Waht does the funny thing in the first picture goa do anything with Ed edd and Eddy. [[User:82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 19:17, 21 April 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>