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Spinister (G1)

2009-04-01T17:31:34Z

82.7.124.160: reference and template fix

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:''Spinister is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Spinister-boxart.jpg|right|250px|thumb|I'm terribly mysterious and I have 300 pounds of canned meat strapped to my right arm.]]
'''Spinister''' is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysterious_cities_of_gold ''terribly'' mysterious] and has been known to wield a gun that separates into two [[Nebulos|Nebulans]]. These dumb stubbies are [[Singe]] and [[Hairsplitter]], if this really matters to anyone.

This grim air warrior seems far more independent of mind than the common Decepticon, though he doesn't go in for the outright mutiny for which [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] is noted. When he spots unrecognized potential in the Decepticon ranks, however, he may well bring the would-be warrior under his tutelage without the knowledge or permission of his superior officers.

A closed book to the Decepticons, Spinister is a dark menace to his Autobot enemies. Often the first warning of his approach is the gentle note of a detonating fusion bomb or the delightful hiss of metal boiling away under an assault of charged particles from his beam cannon. How he is so terribly sneaky is unclear, but rumor has it that he has beaten the Romulans by centuries and developed a cloaking device. However, if he has, he hasn't spoken to anybody about it.

Quiet and mysterious, that's how he likes to be, and how he intends to stay. Speaking his mind would prevent the whole mysterious shadow-warrior thing from working. One must wonder how much even his binary-bonded companions know about him.

Also, his name is cooler than [[Slayride]] and [[Sinnertwin]] combined.

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
{{note|Events from the [[The Transformers (Marvel Comics)|UK-only]] comic stories are in italics.}}
[[Image:HuntingParty-Mayhem Attack Squad small.JPG|left|250px|thumb|Dammit, why does someone always have to ruin a perfectly good group shot with a wussy thought bubble??]]
''Spinister was recruited into the new [[Mayhem Attack Squad]] by [[Snarler]], and placed in charge of training and grading other new recruits to the squad. During a training exercise, a fresh-new warrior named [[Needlenose]] went AWOL in the middle of a battle. Spinister went after him, knowing the desertion was punishable by death in the Decepticon Army. He saw promise in the young soldier, though, and so instead faked having difficulty against an Autobot drone he was fighting. Spinister hoped that seeing him in danger would force Needlenose to act, and he was right. Needlenose came back and fought off the drone to "save" Spinister. Because of this, Spinister ignored his temporary loss of courage in the official report, and nominated Needlenose for full membership in the Mayhems, and their mission to hunt down the traitors [[Carnivac]] and [[Catilla]]. {{storylink|The Hunting Party|The Hunting Party}}''

''Arriving on Earth, the Mayhems confronted Carnivac separately from his new Autobot comrades in the [[Survivors]], and ran him to ground. {{storylink|Way of the Warrior|Way of the Warrior}} Seeing Carnivac's newfound care for fleshlings, Spinister opened fire into a crowd, committing Carnivac to taking the fire himself in order to protect the humans. Stunned by the gunfire, Carnivac lay wounded as Spinister transformed and was about to pass sentence on him. His fellow traitor Catilla leapt out from nowhere, however, spoiling Spinister's aim. Bludgeon managed to impale the new arrival with his sword, but the Mayhems were then driven off by the Survivors before they could finish Carnivac off as well. {{storylink|A Savage Place|A Savage Place}}''
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[[Image:ThunderwingComic.jpg|left|210px|thumb|Now this is a group shot to instil fear]]
As a top-ranking member of the Mayhem Attack Squad, Spinister joined Needlenose, [[Ruckus (G1)|Ruckus]] and [[Windsweeper]] in serving their commander, [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]], on his quest to possess the Autobots' [[Creation Matrix]]. The Mayhems clashed with several Autobot teams on their mission, and Thunderwing's obsession became more pronounced as time went on, and Spinister became less and less willing to serve under such a madman. On the planet [[VsQs]], Thunderwing abandoned Windsweeper to his fate when the Matrix-spawn creature attacked, more focused on his prize than a fellow Decepticon. When their leader ran off chasing the creature, Spinister held back his fellow Mayhems, telling them it was their duty to look after the injured Windsweeper, and let Thunderwing deal with his own business.

[[Image:Matrix quest spinister-shot.JPG|right|250px|thumb|Few people get along with their bosses.]]After Thunderwing captured the Matrix and arranged for his team to infiltrate the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'' aboard a stolen shuttle, he quickly found the Matrix's own corrupted persona waxing control over his own mind. Spinister tried to warn him of the madness taking over, only to have Thunderwing fire on his own troop. The shock of having shot one of his loyal soldiers drove home the point for Thunderwing, but it was too late, and the Matrix completely overtook his thoughts. After the Autobots managed to drive Thunderwing out of the ship and into the vacuum of space, Spinister and the Mayhems gave up without a fight, wanting no more violence that day. {{storylink|Matrix Quest|Matrix Quest}}
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====Earthforce====
{{note|These stories do not fit into the normal Marvel continuity. See [[Earthforce]] for details.}}
[[Image:Where wolf death small.JPG|left|200px|thumb|Entered the No-Spinister Zone.]]
''While Carnivac was still seeking revenge for Catilla's murder, Spinister and the others set up an island base on Earth while preparing for their next strike. The cowardly Needlenose got on everyone's nerves, though, when the waiting weighed on his circuits enough to compel him to stage a mock emergency drill and test the Mayhems' response time, just in case Carnivac came looking for him. Spinister gave Needlenose a stern rebuke after that, warning him that the next incident would cost him his life. As it turned out, Carnivac HAD infiltrated the base during the commotion, and Needlenose's next round of genuine emergency calls were left unheeded. {{storylink|Cry Wolf|Cry Wolf}} The wolf's next strike on Bludgeon did not go as quietly, and he drew the attention of the rest of the base. Instead of risking himself in close-quarters combat, Carnivac's forte, Spinister wisely chose to blast the traitor from a distance, apparently destroying him. {{storylink|Wolf in the Fold|Wolf in the Fold}} The Mayhems were then forced to defend themselves against the combined might of the Survivors and [[Earthforce]], who had come to rescue Carnivac from his insane mission of vengeance. While Bludgeon and the others charged head first into battle, Spinister saw no gain in a warrior's suicide, and attempted to slip away. Unfortunately for him, only Carnivac's shell had been destroyed earlier, and the robot within had survived to take his vengeance on the Mayhems, shooting Spinister, crushing Snarler and then assisting the Earthforce in capturing the remaining Decepticons. {{storylink|Where Wolf?|Where Wolf?}}''

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===Dreamwave ''Armada'' comics===
[[Image:WorldsCollide3 Spinister1.jpg|right|200px|thumb|WE'RE GONNA GET SENT TO THE BAD PLACE!]]
In one of many alternate realities, Spinister (or a mech matching his description) was one of the few [[Over-Run (Armada)|survivors]] of [[Unicron]]'s attack on that universe's [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], and has become little more than a gibbering half-insane emotional wreck as a result. When [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] is accidentally transported into this reality, Spinister tells him about Unicron and what he did. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 2|Worlds Collide, Part 2}} When Unicron returns soon after Prime's arrival, Spinister welcomes his oblivion with open arms, and is drawn into the Chaos Bringer's open maw and destroyed. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 4|Worlds Collide, Part 4}}

{{note|"Spinister" was never named in the "Worlds Collide" storyline, though the name is [[Easter egg|spelled in katakana]] on the character's helicopter mode kibble. It is not known if this version of the character had [[Targetmaster]] partners, but as he was never shown with weapons, they likely predeceased him if they existed in this [[micro-continuity]].}}
===IDW comics continuity===
[[Image:SpotlightBlaster Spinister.jpg|left|150px|thumb|How exactly am I flying?]]
Back before the war, Spinister appeared in the crowd cheering Megatron's first pit fight. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 2|Megatron Origin issue 2}} It is unknown whether he joined the Decepticons at their inception or became part of the movement later on after the conquest of [[Kaon]]. Much later, Spinister was working under [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]] on Cybertron, shortly after the Battle of [[Thunderhead Pass]]. He was part of the last major push for territory on the planet before it became uninhabitable. {{storylink|Spotlight: Blaster|Spotlight: Blaster}} In the present day, Spinister still served with the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacon]] leader as part of the crew aboard the starship ''[[Thanatos]]''. He followed [[Divebomb (G1)|Divebomb]] and the other flying Decepticons into battle with Thunderwing on Cybertron. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 4|Stormbringer issue 4}}

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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1Spinister toy.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Inyuk-chuk!]]
*'''Spinister''' (Targetmaster, 1988)
*''Accessories'': Hairsplitter and Singe Targetmaster partners/guns

: Spinister transforms into a rather busily-coloured [[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes|AH-64 Apache attack helicopter]]. His Targetmaster partners [[Singe]] and [[Hairsplitter]] can be attached onto peg holes on the underside of his wings. The rotors spin, but the main rotor tends to fold back into its storage mode when turned.

==Trivia==
* Spinister, like all the [[Targetmaster|Double Targetmasters]], was never released in Japan.

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==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1988/Decepticon/Spinister/spinister.htm Spinister at TFU.info]

*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Spinister Spinister's Marvel Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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Talk:Bludgeon (G1)

2009-03-29T10:47:22Z

82.7.124.160: Up to date discussion salvage

I culled* this entire article from the Titan Books comic reprint.

* And by Culled, I mean plagerizedSo... patronize them, I guess.

== Mettalikato ==
Is there any more information on this? I tried does some web searching but all I found was one lonely fanfic. My eyes! The Google does nothing!Seems likely to me that it's named after Kato, Bruce Lee's character from The Green Hornet. And of course it coincidentally sounds like the Metallikats from Swat Kats, if anybody cares about that. - GW
* [[Metallikato]]. Voila! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:19, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

== IDW Bludgeon's appearance ==
I'm just curious, was an explanation ever given in regards to Bludgeon's rather... unique battle-damage look in the Stormbringer series? Considering no one else in the series had damage of that extent, it just strikes me as odd. Did anyone ever give a reason for his damaged appearance? -[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:17, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

:Hard to say, but he was shown with the damage just after Shockwave's disappearance on prehistoric Earth, so he's been carrying the wounds around for some time. I'd say at the least he's avoided repairing it, and it's possibly self-inflicted.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 20:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

== Main pic ==
I know it's "wacky" and lets us make a heavy metal joke but I really do think that main pick is horribly ugly. I cringe every time I come across this page. There must be a good pic of Bludgeon out there somewhere. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:00, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

:I think it's a very representative picture for Bludgeon just like [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'s and [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s. --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 06:16, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

== Character Model ==
Has anyone got a pic of this character model? I'm interested in seeing it. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:36, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:As the trivia section says, we only see Jose Delbo's copying of it in Yesterday's Heroes. Look at the second image in the fiction section. There it is. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:47, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
::Oh. Bummer. I was hoping there was another one floating about. Who knows, maybe those The Ark guys will dig it out for their second book... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 03:49, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

==Earthforce==
The UK material that is currently written happened BEFORE the Earthforce split. I'm moving it back. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:That doesn't make sense. It all ends with Bludgeon & co being captured by Earthforce and then escaping from their base. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
::Earthforce doesn't happen until Earthforce itself is introduced. Before that issue, everything works fine, continuity-wise, and there are plenty of normal continuity/UK black and white crossovers. "Cry Wolf!" (#272) and beyond don't happen for over 30 issues after Catilla is killed (#239), so there's also a time gap that helps make that a good separation point. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:12, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:::In regards to issue numbers, I'm at fault here, I just have the pages saved sequentially with no issue number so I wouldn't have known. And what I have is probably some colored reprint since everything is in color (if you want, I can replace that Bludgeon killing Catilla image with a color one when I get home) and at the end of my #239, it says "NEXT: Cry Wolf!"... So you'll have to forgive me for being in the dark. But hey, conflicting ideas aside, between the two of us, we managed to flesh out Bludgeon's page pretty well, wouldn't you say? --[[User:74.57.3.251|74.57.3.251]] 20:46, 10 March 2008 (UTC) ([[User:Detour|Detour at work]])
::::Goddamn Furman and his goddamn Earthforce. Maybe next time, you wanna make sure you're not putting the info twice in one page, though, since I'd already added the events from "Cry Wolf!" up to "Shut Up!" in the regular UK continuity. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:42, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

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I just rechecked the numbers on the AoE issue, it's 226 so it predates Earthforce. Also, according to the narration, it takes place in 1990 so... I have no idea where it'd go, continuity-wise. O.o --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:35, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
: Yeah, I realized we've got a small problem. That seems to be the earliest Furman started hinting at what he thought he'd be writing in the future, regarding the Decepticon Civil War, and it predates the stuff that absolutely can't possibly happen, IE, the introduction of Earthforce. Thing is, between AoE and "Starting Over," there's all sorts of stuff that interweaves really well. Also in there is Deathbringer, which is referenced specifically in US continuity. I still think "Starting Over" is where the Out-of-continuity stuff begins, but AOE does make that murky. Thankfully, it happens in the future! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

:: AOE present (with Rodimus) has the evil of Unicron at his core. That happens because of Legacy of Unicron, which happens because Unicron attacked Cybertron for the first time in 2005/6. The events that led to Unicron attacking in 1991 occurred at least as far back as US #60-61, at the end of 1989, predating the Decepticon Civil War. Therefore, the Decepticon Civil War and other events being flashed back to in AOE cannot be the same timeline as the DCW from US #72. It's not TFUS, it's not TFUK, it's probably not even Earthforce -- it's the history of an alternate timeline after that timeline split off from the main one, so any AOE stuff should just be tossed at the end of an entry in a little blurb that says, "And in an alternate universe..." To be specific, I would think AOE: Megatron was probably from a timeline where the Mayhems did not attack the Classic Pretenders (and therefore no one shot God in the face) but instead remained on Cybertron and fell under the command of one Megatron or the other. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 02:36, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Times like these, I ''really'' wish Furman had had more respect for things like continuity (even G2 had inconsistencies with elements established by the G1 comics he'd written). --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:48, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I've always taken it as read that the events flashed back to in the AoE Megatron, Shockwave and Scorponok chapters were from the "movie future" timeline, before it got erased. The whole story is recounted by Rodimus, and this IS the Rodimus from the "movie future" timeline, so it makes sense that that's when and where he experienced those events. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:25, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

==Cybertron Unicron = Bludgeon homage?==
[[Image:Cybertron Unicron toy.jpg|thumb|right|200px]]
Myself and Detour are having a debate about whether this toy could be considered a homage to the G1 toy. I cite the head, colour, alt mode and weapons as reasons for. Detour cites that the colour is Unicron's anyhow, that a tank alt mode is too ubiquitous to count as homage evidence, and the weapons are not related at at all.Since I found about the existence of the toy using "homage" and "Bludgeon" as search terms in Google, I think that there should be at least a mention of the toy in either/both trivia sections.Thoughts? [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 13:37, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:The whole skull head thing is referring to the Unicron head that came with Cybertron Primus. The head had a human-like skull where part of Unicron's face was blown off. The Deluxe Unicron represents his partial rebirth... hence the skull. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:40, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
::True. That fact does obviate the skull being used as evidence that it was primarily a homage. But secondarily? [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 13:57, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:::His tank mode is apparently based on some anime which I can't remember, but it was a blue or green, organic-looking tank. It doesn't even look anything like Bludgeon's tank. One would assume a tank would have a cannon, so he does. That pointy stuff on him references the parts of Armada Unicron's planet mode (the pincers, the planet buster) and original robot mode (his rings/wings.) The dude is crammed to the gills with stuff from Armada Unicron.
::::Customising tip: If you really want a G1 Bludgeon, get Titanium [[The Fallen]] and paint him green, since the toy is based on his IDW Stormbringer design. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:09, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::Everything you pointed out is mere coincidential similarities. He shares orange with Bludgeon, but that's because UNICRON is orange. No other reason. He has a skull because he's been resurrected, it brings a bit of an air of macabre to his return.

:::You don't seem to know what an homage is. An homage is when something pays tribute to something else without actually being it. In that aspect, Energon Bulkhead is a Springer homage but Universe and Botcon Springer are not because they are meant to be Springer. Would you say that one of the bazillion Batman figures on the shelves right now is a homage to an old Batman figure from when the very first movie came out? This is the same deal. Your soapbox is packed with "homages" that barely even look like the characters you think they homage, and in Bludgeon's case it's nothing more than a case of coincidence, which can just as easily be used to support that Classics Tank Megatron is a "homage" to Bludgeon.
:::And what you said about googling "Bludgeon" and "homage", the only things I found supporting your theory were one person's comments on a review posted at TFormers, and one guy's message board post on Seibertron. That's it. Some evidence, two random forum posters.
::::PS: FFN, I'm pretty sure Titanium Fallen is based on Stormbringer Megatron and not Bludgeon, considering his bulkier frame and the position of the treads on his back that match Megatron's more than Bludgeon's. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:14, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::I've had the homage definition debate elsewhere. But to reiterate my slant, I feel a "homage" means "to pay tribute to". A quick google shows that the word has evolved to mean slightly different things. And yes, thus all modern Transformers could be then considered homages to the G1 line. However, I don't think it is too difficult to see where I am coming from with my ideas (in what I am attempting to do), rather it seems that the idea is considered by many to be pointless/stupid/cheesy etc etc. The debate about my soapbox really belongs on its discussion page. To bring the subject back to Bludgeon: I want a Bludgeon toy (or a homage) for my shelf. I've recently bought CybUnicron to be that toy. Until a better toy comes along, or unless someone can come up with a better one, or unless someone can convince me that CybUnicron really has no resemblance to G1 Bludgeon, then I'm sticking to my guns. Green tanks don't count for two reasons: Bludgeon is rarely seen as a green robot, and realistically green tank = G2 Megatron. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 11:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well just because you feel it looks like Bludgeon doesn't make it a '''factual Bludgeon homage''' because it was not intended as such by the people who designed him.
:::::::You are more than welcome to use whatever you want in your display shelves, heck I have Universe Frostbite as Carnivac and Cybertron Skywarp as Misfire in mine. But to openly declare the stuff a homage on this wiki is 100% wrong. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:29, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::::So you do the whole modern thing too? I wonder how many people do that. I appreciate now that some of suggestions cannot go in the wiki proper for the reasons stated on those discussion pages. CybSkywarp needs a coat of pink/lilac (not too dissimilar to the one I used for Spinister?). And Cybertron Snarl is a better Carnivac, no? He can be got quite cheap on Ebay actually. Re: the 100% wrong remark, I take it you mean "100% wrong" as a matter of priciple as opposed to CybUnicron being 100% nothing like G1 Bludgeon? The latter being quite obviously incorrect. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 08:31, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::::::It's not a matter of principle, Drmick, but a matter of ''definition''. You're missing THE key word in your definition: a homage means "to pay tribute to '''deliberately'''". No matter how many similarities you find between two toys, it is not a homage unless the later toy was intentionally patterned after the other. That's not a personal interpretation by certain contributors here; that's what a homage IS. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 14:18, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::::::Interjecting as an outside observer... no. Though it can be said that Cyb Unicron has many ''similarities'' to Bludgeon, in that they are both orange guys with skull faces, helmets with pointy horns and tank altmodes... Cybertron Unicron can not, in any objective sense be called a''homage'' to Bludgeon, because the term "homage," implies intent, and every single attribute he has ''in common'' with Bludgeon can actually be traced as coming from another non-Bludgeon source. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:48, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Oh, nevermind, that's what you were saying- I misread your negative ont he last sentence. *sigh* Ignore this. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:50, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Springer (G1)

2009-03-28T19:24:11Z

82.7.124.160: springer talk salvaged for his studio ox image

==Main Image choice==
Is the main image relly the best one of Springer? Surely his MTMTE or box art image would be better? As much as I would hate to lose the funny........[[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 15:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:Dude, it's a great image. What's wrong with it? We already rely far too heavily on MTMTE images, as has been discussed elsewhere. Any time we can get a good representative image from a source that's not box art, MTMTE, or a character model, we should do it. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 16:31, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

::His boxart is awful, and his MTMTE image is when Don was clearly burnt-out from drawing practically everybody in MTMTE, so I back up Repowers on this. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:41, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
:::I agree as well. Variety is the spice of life, and all that. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 16:49, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
::::I disagree that the MTMTE image is poor. However, the reasons you have given for not using boxart or MTMTE is that they are poor. If so, does that mean if I find a better official image, it will be accepted? [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 16:51, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::Fair use only goes so far, and right now, half of the G1 characters are using MTMTE art, either because there's lack of images we can use or its a particularly good piece of art or the only other art is crap. In this case, the MTMTE art isn't great and the other available image is pretty cool.
:::::Oh, and IDW is reprinting the MTMTE books (for some reason), so we have even less leeway to use images from them. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:54, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

::::1) You will be hard-pressed to find an image that's better, includes one of his alternate modes, AND actually demonstrates his action-hero persona at work.
::::2) There are lots of other character pages that have no images at all. Why not focus on that instead?
::::3) Why do you hate awesomeness so much? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 16:55, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::1) I will give it a go!
:::::2) Who wants to play with the crap characters?
:::::3) Beauty is in the eye of the beholder! [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 17:16, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm just going to throw in my support for NOT using MTMTE art whenever we have another good choice. I like this art a lot. And you'd goddamn better beleive that characters whose pages have no images whatsoever is more important to work on than adding more/alternate profile images to characters who already have plenty. Much of the whole damn POINT of the wiki is to shed light and spread information on the obscure. And I put it to you that many of these obscure characters are far more interesting than much of the 84/85 cast that gets all the love. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:08, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

:Er, I tell you what. If you can name TWO characters who do not have art from G1 on this wiki, and who are more interesting/pivotal/prominent than the 84-movie cast, I will upload whatever comic art I can get on them. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 10:52, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

[[Image:Springerstudiooxcharactermodel.jpg|right|350px]]

''1) You will be hard-pressed to find an image that's better, includes one of his alternate modes, AND actually demonstrates his action-hero persona at work.''
Yeah, ok, I was very hard pressed. This is the best I have found. Will it be of any use? I also have higher resolution vesion. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 05:52, 22 November 2008 (EST)
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==Rogue?==
Does anyone else have a proble with:''Springer is the archetypical rogue; handy in a fight, always ready with a helping hand or a joke to lighten the situation. Someone you can depend to ride in, save the day and be smug about it'' ? That's not a description of how I'd think of an "archtypical rogue." I'd say such a character would be sneeky, stealthy, prone to backstabing (rogue's do it from behind, remember) and acting outside the law. That's not Springer at all.If anything Springer is the "archtypal action hero". Agree/disagree?
:By all means, make the change. He's han solo, who is a a rogue though, not a hero. arguably, he elements of Han which do not translate to springer make Springer mcuh mroe action hero-y. But I think that the rogue one-man-act-hates-being-tied-down thing nicely addresses the differences in Springer's personality in different continuities. Happy and carefree when he's jsut a warrior, sullen and angsty when he's commending the Wreckers. (he seems to have been a ceerier fellow before he took Impactor's place too, backng up that reading.)

:Of course, while that all returns to hsi archetype... it's also all explicitly spelled out in his bio. Change it to Action Hero.-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:09, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

::: Yeah, it's weird but somehow true: Han Solo is a rogue. Springer is Han Solo. But Spriner is not a Rogue. Basically he keeps much of Han's roguish personality while loosing the actual '''being a rogue'''. I'll fix. :)

::::He's a rogue in that he doesn't deal well with authority, but he is not a rogue in the sense of being an actual criminal.[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:57, 25 November 2008 (EST)

:::::I removed the bit about Springer being relieved to miss out on Autobot leadership. While true in FFoD, I somehow doubt he was relieved at the outcome of 'Peace'.
:::: (Fun Fact, the UK Letters Page says that Peace is in the same timeline as the Aspects of Evil future. ) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:48, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

:::::I'd always thought he was like a Han Solobot, and I'm glad I share this sentiment with everyone else. If not, is he like Indiana Jones? --[[User:Akindofdrifter|akindofdrifter]]
:::::Not really, he doesn't really fit the "reluctant hero who would rather be reading a book than fighting nazis" feel. It would be pretty fun to see him wipe out a bunch of Decepticons by opening the Arc of the [[Covenant of Primus]], though. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 06:06, 22 November 2008 (EST)

== Toy origin ==
Anyone know the origin of his toy? Was his character model made first, like some other moviebots, or was the toy made first like the other triple changers? His toy has a moviebot look about him if you ask me, and I would guess his character model was created first. Just curious. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:41, 24 November 2008 (EST)

==Other appearance==
Rik Bakke's files list Springer as appearing in [[Forever Is a Long Time Coming]], but he's not on our page for that episode, and Bakke's dialogue transcript doesn't give him any dialogue. I guess it's a cameo somewhere? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 23:43, 4 December 2008 (EST)

:During the scene of abnormal time occurrences, there's a racing vehicle in Springer's colors. I can't tell if it's really him or not, though. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:40, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Homage

2009-03-27T20:17:21Z

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[[Image:Onegenerationshattered.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Everybody knows where this art comes from.]]
In fan terminology, an '''homage''' is a toy that is intentionally designed to resemble an earlier (usually [[Generation 1]]) toy or character, without being the exact same character. Noted examples of homages include [[Downshift (Energon)|''Energon'' Downshift]] (based on [[Wheeljack (G1)|Generation 1 Wheeljack]]) and [[Shockblast (Energon)|''Energon'' Shockblast]] (based on [[Shockwave (G1)|Generation 1 Shockwave]]).

Sometimes, homages are given different names from their predecessors if the actual rights to the name are lost via [[trademark]] murkiness, or if the name has already been applied to a non-homage toy within the same series.

Conversely, in order to protect trademarked names, Hasbro and Takara continue to use the same names over and over again, often on very different toys or very different characters within the official fiction. Since use of the term "homage" within the fandom is almost exclusively in reference to visual similarities, these name reuses alone are not considered homages.

Amusingly, [[Takara]] has given homages a new twist with "[[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] Emergency Green", a [[redeco]] of the original ''[[Diaclone]]''-based Ratchet toy in the color scheme of the [[Transformers (2007)|live-action movie]] [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]], and "[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] Protect Black", a dual homage to the color scheme of both the toy's ''Diaclone'' incarnation and the character's [[Ironhide (Movie)|live-action movie incarnation]].

Also, the term ''homage'' not only applies to toys, but also various things such as [[:Image:Primalprimetheborrower.jpg|or]] [[:Image:Mayhem suppression squad.jpg|arts]].

==Notable examples==
The following list is meant to include all more modern toys that 'visually' represent the Generation 1 characters. Re-uses of names without any visual relevance may be better placed on the trademark page.
===''Transformers: Armada''===
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Image:ArmadaScavenger toy.jpg|[[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] is essentially an homage to the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]].
Image:Hotshotpowerlinx.jpg|[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Powerlinx Hot Shot]] is similar to [[Hot Rod]].
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===''Transformers: Energon''===
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Image:Energon downshift toy.jpg|[[Downshift (Energon)|Downshift]]'s design is an homage to [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]].
Image:Energon Shockblast toy.jpg|[[Shockblast (Energon)|Shockblast]]'s appearance heavily similar to [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]].
Image:Energon Rodimus toy.jpg|[[Rodimus (Energon)|Rodimus]]'s appearance is heavily based on [[Hot Rod|Rodimus Prime]].
Image:Energon Galvatron toy1.jpg|[[Megatron (Armada)|Galvatron]]'s appearance is an homage to [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]].
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===''Transformers: Cybertron''===
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Image:CybertronBlurr toy.jpg|[[Blurr (Cybertron)|Blurr]]'s head design is an homage to [[Blurr (G1)|his original Generation 1 counterpart]].
Image:Cyb Longrack toy.jpg|[[Longrack (Cybertron)|Longrack]]'s head design is an homage to [[Longrack (BWN)|his original ''Beast Wars Neo'' counterpart]].
Image:CYB runamuck withalt.jpg|[[Runamuck (Cybertron)|Runamuck]] is an homage to [[Runabout|his original Generation 1 counterpart's best mate]].
Image:Cybertron Buzzsaw toy.jpg|[[Buzzsaw (Cybertron)|Buzzsaw]]'s head design is an homage to [[Buzz Saw|his original ''Beast Wars'' counterpart]].
Image:Cyb Galvatron toy.jpg|[[Megatron (Armada)|Galvatron]]'s color is similar to [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]].
Image:CybertronSoundwave toy.jpg|[[Soundwave (Cybertron)|Soundwave]] is heavily based on [[Soundwave (G1)|his original Generation 1 counterpart]].
Image:Quickmix-workmode.jpg|[[Quickmix (Cybertron)|Quickmix]] shares a few physical similarities to [[Quickmix (G1)|his original Generation 1 counterpart]].
Image:CybExcellion toy.jpg|[[Excellion]] is an homage to Hot Rod.
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===Generation 1===
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Image:GodPrimus2.jpg|The colorscheme of the lucky draw item of [[:Image:Primus original.jpg|his appearance]] in [[The Transformers (Marvel Comics)|Marvel Generation 1 continuity]].
Image:Encoreratchetemergencygreen.jpg|[[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet Emergency Green]] used the color scheme to [[Ratchet (Movie)|his ''Movie'' counterpart]].
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===Shattered Glass===
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Image:Goldbug bad.jpg|[[:Image:Movie Deluxe StealthBumblebee toy.jpg|Stealth Bumblebee]].
Image:Starscream 2008BotCon.jpg|[[Starscream (Shattered Glass)|Starscream]]'s color scheme is similar to [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]].
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Image:Dirge-shatteredexpectations.jpg|And the [[Dirge (Shattered Glass)|sextuple homage guy]]!
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State Games

2009-03-22T13:20:47Z

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'''The War begins...'''

'''Published in:''' '''[[Transformers Annual 1987|Transformers Annual 1987]]'''

'''Writer:''' [[James Hill|James Hill]]

'''Art:''' Uncredited, possibly [[John Stokes|John Stokes]]

*''Autobots:''[[Autobot Overlord|Autobot Overlord]], [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]], [[Xaaron|Xaaron]], [[Tomaandi|Tomaandi]], [[Traachon|Traachon]], [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], [[Nightstalker|Nightstalker]]

*''Decepticons:'' [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]], [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]

*''Originally published:'' September 1986

==Synopsis==
[[Image:State games 1.JPG|left|150px|thumb|The golden age before the golden age.]]
Set before the war began, the [[State Games]] was an inter-city [[Gladiatorial combat|competition]] created by the [[Overlord (rank)|Autobot Overlord]] to facilitate goodwill between the various [[City-state|city-states]] such as [[Iacon|Iacon]], [[Tarn|Tarn]] and [[Vos|Vos]]. Tensions had been rising on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] as new [[Transformer|Transformer]] life was created unabated putting increased pressure on the planet's resources.

Megatron, a citizen of Tarn, was a successful but particularly vicious athlete. Optimus Prime was very much his equal, and the two shared a somewhat acrimonious sporting rivalry.

The games in this story were being held in Tarn. The Vos athletic team broke into Tarn's power generator with the purpose of planting a bomb, destroying Tarn, while at the same time leaving evidence to suggest that it was Iacon who were responsible. The resulting war would decimate Tarn and Iacon, leaving Vos (ruled by a criminal syndicate headed by Starscream) the most powerful city on Cybertron. However the team were caught in the process. The bomb still went off, but not before Vos' guilt became known. Tarn was instantly nearly completely destroyed and the war between Vos and Tarn began.

[[Image:State games 2.JPG|right|150px|thumb|'Ey buddy, can you spare me a dime?]]
The commencement of hostilities trapped the athletes and the Autobot Overlord in what was now the frontline of a inter-city war. The Autobot Overlord was ancient and frail, and required frequent care. Megatron and Optimus Prime accompanied the Overlord's two bodyguards Ravage and Nightstalker in attempting to return the Overlord to Iacon through the battlefield. However the fighting became too intense, and Optimus Prime left the other three with the Overlord to go to Iacon alone to gather reinforcements. While Prime was away Nightstalker sacrificed himself in a suicide explosion leaving only Ravage and Megatron to stand guard. Megatron, seeing that Cybertron was about to go through a major political change, left the Overlord to die, with Ravage following suit.

When the war between Vos and Tarn had finished, Megatron convinced the survivors to unite as a new faction, [[Decepticon|Decepticons]], against Iacon, who Megatron was convinced could have intervened to prevent the war.

==Items of note==
* This issue is prefaced with the title "A Tale from Cybertron".
* Optimus Prime is but a successful Iaconian athlete in this story. The Autobot Overlord seems to be the (possibly figurehead) leader of Cybertron. [[Emirate Xaaron|Emirate Xaaron]] and High Councilor [[Tomaandi|Tomaandi]] appear to be Iacon politicians, with General [[Traachon|Traachon]] being the leader of the Iacon military.
* This story tells us how Megatron originally came across his [[Fusion cannon|fusion cannon]]. Notice that he's (intentionally) missing it in all the artwork of this story.
* This story precedes "[[And There Shall Come...a Leader!|And There Shall Come...a Leader!]]" chronologically and retcons that story's stance that Megatron and Prime did not know each other before the war.
* The concept of the Decepticons having their origins in gladiatorial games was visited again in both the [[Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Dreamwave]] and [[IDW continuity|IDW continuities]].
* IDW's ''[[Megatron Origin|Megatron Origin]]'' is in many ways a retelling of "State Games", using combat games (albeit illegal), economic depression and anger towards the politics of Iacon as major plot points.

'''Note:''' ''Fan speculation back in the day had Overlord as [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]. However, other stories set around this time cannot be reconciled with events in this story, as Prime is specifically referred to as "Prime". The use of the term "[[Prime (rank)|Prime]]" as leader of the [[Autobot|Autobots]] was a constant introduced later in the G1 mythos.''

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