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2008-01-09T00:17:51Z

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May I ask what your problem is? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 05:26, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:My best guess is this is Floro himself who is completely '''outraged''' that anyone but him would get credited for design work on Transformers. After all this is the guy who claims Takara's Diaclone Planet Robo design was stolen from the Unicron design he'd make years later. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 05:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think we're worth the real Floro Dery's time.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 05:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't think you've noticed his past track record. Clearly, we are. (We are also racist robots.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 05:42, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I have no problem and I am not Floro. My name is Charlie Alvarado, a Transformers fan. Your are the one who has a problem posting speculative informations without supporting visual evidence. - Charlie {{unsigned|76.213.224.139}}
:Hi Floro. We've got Shohei's art posted on his article, it can't get more visually evident than that. And where is ''your'' visual evidence that our information is wrong? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:10, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

It's useles to continue arguing without resolving and answering the following questions:

1. Why George Dunsay in his interview said that Takara and Hasbro were not involved in the creative concept of the transforming planet?

2. Why Mr. Dery and Hiroyuki were given credits in the 1989 Japanese Transformers movie version?

3. Why Mr. Dery is given credit and Hiroyuki has no credit in the 1986 US Transformers movie version?

4. Why the Unicron design of Hiroyuki that is posted here is not dated?

5. Why the alleged claim that the posted cartoon designs here were done by Shohei when in fact the cartoons were designed by Mr. Dery in 1984 which were published by Marvel people recently in the book Transformers: Ark according to Joshua Chapman? Here's the Amazon website

http://www.amazon.com/review/product/1600100805?showViewpoints=1

6. Why the alleged Shohei's cartoon designs posted here is not dated?

7. Why the incredible misinformations in these website?

- Charlie {{unsigned|76.213.224.139|17:27, 7 January 2008}}

The drawings of Shohei's are based on Mr. Dery's cartoon designs compiled in the Transformers: Ark. Besides Shohei's drawings are not dated. Hiroyuki's design is also not dated. DATE is the litmus test.

The book OLD ART from STUFF BEFORE TRANSFORMERS, there is no such book. Don't invent. Assuming there is such a book, OLD ART of what?

You people are contradicting George Dunsay who said that TAKARA is not involved in the design of the transforming planet, which proved that Mr. Dery is the originator of the transforming planet Unicron.

You people proved nothing, in fact you have shown that your articles are just SPECULATIONS and MISINFORMATIONS to twist the truth. Why?

For your information, I e-mailed the guy maintaining the website of Mr. Dery, offering Mr. Dery that I will finance and publish his original colored Transformers designs as an art book. If Mr. Dery agrees, I will let you people know. I am thinking of a book title that will drive you people crazy.

I posted here because you blocked my other IP address. I proved that all of you are wrong and confused, so you blocked my IP.

Pity, but no thanks for all your insults directed against me. But I am not surprise because, generally, those who cannot win the arguments usually use insults to silence their opponents

- Charlie

: Hello, my name is Floro Dery, and I inventend Transformers. In fact, I invented robots long before Japan ever even heard of them.

: I also invented Hasbro. And Takara.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 00:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

::No, ''I'm'' Floro Dery! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 00:47, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
:Guys, if this guy wants to rant to his audience of one, let him. We have better things to do. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:49, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
::How dare you say that to me, Floro Dery. Clearly, you're just a racist. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 00:55, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

:1. Hasbro and Takara were not involved in the creation of Unicron. Everyone here agrees that Floro created Unicron. What he didn't do is create the concept of a transforming planet. That concept was created by someone at Takara before 1985. That "Japanese Unicron" is '''not''' Unicron, and was '''not''' created for ''Transformers''; the art from the book the scan was taken from is about Takara action figure lines from before 1985, and therefore predates the movie. Floro may have very well came up with the idea of a transforming planet on his own; he just wasn't the first to put the idea to paper.
:2. Floro made the animation models. Hiroyuki was likely involved in the Japanese localization (This consisted of translating the script, recording new voice tracks, and adding Japanese credits. Nothing else was changed)
:3. Hiroyuki was probably only involved in the Japanese localization, and would therefore not be included in the credits from the original (READ: English Language) version.
:4. It is a scan of concept art. Any dates or other information included on the sheet are not part of the actual concept art and therefore would not be included in any compilations.
:5. Floro Dery made the character models actually used in the cartoon. However, those were simplified (read: easier to animate) versions of the ones made by Shohei.
:6. It is a scan of a character model. Any dates or other information included on the sheet are not part of the actual character model and therefore would not be included in any compilations.
:7. If you can find a mistake that can be verified with more then "HE TELL ME" (IE, something that has been published, or an interview transcript), be free to fix it.
:8. No, ''I'm'' Floro Dery, and I invented Japan and the concept of toys. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:50, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
:9. I just got Edit Conflicted'd three times trying to make this post.

:I know this basically repeats a lot of what [[User:FortMax|FortMax]] just said, but I spent a while typing it, so darned if I'll let it go to waste. (Besides, I probably was one reason he got an Edit Conflict, and vice-versa.)

:Let's see, point by point...

::''The drawings of Shohei's are based on Mr. Dery's cartoon designs compiled in the Transformers: Ark.''

:And the proof of this is...? You have offered comments on the some of the process involved in the creation of Mr. Dery's designs. None of this proves whether or not the Japanese designs were based on his. However, the comparison picture [[Floro Dery#Participation in the modern fandom|shown here]] seems to indicate Mr. Dery in fact simplified some of Mr. Kohara's designs.

::''Besides Shohei's drawings are not dated. Hiroyuki's design is also not dated. DATE is the litmus test.''

:If no date is available for a piece of art, that does not negate its worth for the argument. It's very helpful, yes, but not the one and only means of proof.

::''The book OLD ART from STUFF BEFORE TRANSFORMERS, there is no such book. Don't invent. Assuming there is such a book, OLD ART of what?''

:This is obviously a description of a book, not a title, yet you are making fun of it because it doesn't sound like a real title. You are using very poor arguing tactics and insulting people by accusing them of lying about the book's existence. In short, you are doing just what you accuse others here of doing. Pity, pity.

:The book in question is ''Takara SF Land Archives'' (''Takara SF Land Daizenshuu'', タカラSFランド大全集), published by Kodansha in November 1999. As you can see from the cover image [http://www.edit.ne.jp/~sashida/SFland/SFland.html here], it contains images and information on various Takara-original SF toy lines from the 1970s and early 1980s, including Henshin Cyborg, Magnemo, Microman (including Microchange), and Diaclone. All these toy lines predate Transformers. The last two toy lines were the primary source of toy designs for the original TF line from 1984-1985, and even 1986 (e.g., Ultra Magnus). Scattered throughout the book's pages are illustrations showing design art for various Takara toys from those toy lines, along with concept art of toys that were never produced...such as the Planet-Robot drawn by Mr. Hataike.

::''You people are contradicting George Dunsay who said that TAKARA is not involved in the design of the transforming planet, which proved that Mr. Dery is the originator of the transforming planet Unicron.''

:It's likely Mr. Dery did design Unicron. That does NOT mean he created the idea of a transforming planet. There is a distinct difference.

::''You people proved nothing, in fact you have shown that your articles are just SPECULATIONS and MISINFORMATIONS to twist the truth. Why?''

:The articles here have provided more visual proof than you have, and argued their case better. Regardless of how people have responded to you personally, the articles themselves present their material quite well. Of course, your biggest gripe of "misinformation" seems to be that the articles claim Mr. Dery didn't design Unicron. They do not claim this. They suggest he did not create the idea of a transforming planet, which is something else entirely. As evidence to support this suggestion, they provide an image from a book about Takara toys that predate TFs.

::''For your information, I e-mailed the guy maintaining the website of Mr. Dery, offering Mr. Dery that I will finance and publish his original colored Transformers designs as an art book. If Mr. Dery agrees, I will let you people know.''

:I think that would actually be a pretty cool project.

::''I am thinking of a book title that will drive you people crazy.''

:So you'd risk alienating part of your potential readership?

::''I posted here because you blocked my other IP address. I proved that all of you are wrong and confused, so you blocked my IP.''

:Your other IPs were blocked because posting from multiple IPs was cluttering the wiki and, in combination with your belligerent attitude, it made you look trollish. All you have to do is register for an account on the wiki; that would solve the problem neatly.

::''Pity, but no thanks for all your insults directed against me. But I am not surprise because, generally, those who cannot win the arguments usually use insults to silence their opponents''

:The same can be said for people who cannot win by stubbornly and angrily repeating unsupported claims, and so resort to condescension and self-righteousness when they find they've irritated others.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 01:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

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I know from your article here that Mr. Dery was the design supervisor of the original series. Assuming that he simplified the simplified drawings of Shohei, then what will his assistants be doing? Are these assistants be simplifying the simplified drawings of Mr. Dery from the simplified drawings of Shohei? This is foolish, isn't it? Marvel studio producer is not an idiot to allow such thing. This shows that Shohei was the one who copied Mr. Dery's cartoon designs.

So, the Japanese book was published in 1999 and the Transformers movie came out in 1986, probably the transforming planet Unicron designs of Mr. Dery were done in 1985. That's a difference of almost 15 years.

Truly, you inadvertently proved that Mr. Dery was the originator of the transforming planet Unicron, Hiroyuki is just a copycat. Also, George Dunsay was right that Takara was not involved in the design of the transforming planet Unicron. You see, what matters is the DATE because the date is the LITMUS TEST.

I will e-mail your post here to the guy maintaining the website of Mr. Dery, to let them know about this things.

Thank you very much, you also proved that all my posts here are right and your allegations are wrong.

- Charlie

:a book called the ark came out last year and it featured all of dery's animation models since the japanese book came out in 1999 and the book with dery's art came out in 2007 that means the japanese design predates dery's design by 8 years!<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Religion

2007-08-29T19:07:59Z

85.195.123.24: /* The multiversal mythos */

As in human cultures, in many continuities the Transformers have possessed religion to help them explain and cope with their place in the universe. In continuities where they exist, Transformer spiritual and religious beliefs are usually specifically illustrated to be truth rather than legend or superstition.

== Generation 1 cartoon==

In the original Generation 1 Cartoon, despite their witnessing supernatural occurrences such as [[magic]] and [[ghosts]] on a number of occasions without any apparent amazement or surprise there is little direct evidence for general Transformer spiritual or religious beliefs. [[Kup]] recommends praying before battle, but does not specify to whom. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness}}

It is known that the spirits of Autobot leaders past dwell within the [[Matrix of Leadership]] even after their deaths, but the mechanism of this is unknown. A living Autobot leader can journey within the Matrix to commune with them and receive visions of the past. (Rodimus needed to be near death to achieve this, but Optimus could instigate it at will.) It is unknown how spiritual or how mechanical this whole process is.

The best, if not only, other evidence we have comes from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' with the apparent prophecy that "one day an Autobot shall rise from our ranks, and use the power of the Matrix to light our darkest hour" and the repetition, prayer-like, of the phrase "[['Til all are one]]."

== Marvel Comics continuity ==

This is where the concept of Transformer religion and spiritual beliefs really took form and spread. Nearly all subsequent uses of Transformer religion derive from the foundation laid in these stories.

=== Primary beliefs ===

The story of the gods [[Primus]] and [[Unicron]] went through several iterations as they were retold by different speakers over the course of the US and UK comic run. The most distinct difference across these revisions was the fading out of their respective pantheons. When first told, by Unicron, Primus and Unicron were each merely part of a whole pantheon of other light and dark gods respectively. In the next version, by the [[Keeper]], they were the last of their pantheons, the others already having been destroyed or passed on to the [[Omniversal Matrix]]. Finally, in the version told by Primus, they were each unique beings with the existence of other gods ignored or refuted. This final version is the most frequently borrowed by later material. (The [[Botcon]] "Reaching the Omega Point" story being the notable exception, see below.)

One legend surrounding Primus is that of The [[Last Autobot]], Primus' final guardian who would come after the god's passing and the defeat of Unicron.

=== Sacred artifacts ===

The [[Creation Matrix]] is the living essence of Primus' life force and considered a sacred artifact. The bearer of it is gifted with the power to create new Transformer life. Each Matrix bearer, known as a Prime, takes a derivation of the name Primus as part of his own. Five have existed: [[Prima]], [[Prime Nova]], [[Sentinel Prime]], Optimus Prime, and Rodimus Prime. Though its existence was well known, the manifest physical nature of the Matrix was not, thus it was ignored by Shockwave when he captured Optimus and, following his death, was launched into space with Optimus' body by his fellow Autobots.

The [[Matrix Flame]] on Cybertron is set in a golden blazer on a green alter, and tended by a red tabard clad acolyte. It is the living embodiment of the sacred Creation Matrix. Its status indicates that of the Matrix and its bearer.

Several scriptual texts were recorded in the [[Covenant of Primus]], believed to be prophetic. Only two copies existed.

=== Believers ===

After millennia of war, many Transformers regarded Primus and Unicron as mere legends or disregarded them entirely. On hearing the name Primus spoken Bumblebee claims to have almost forgotten the Transformers ever had a God. Even when confronted with a giant head at the center of their planet Grimlock does not at first accept the myth of Primus and Unicron as true.

On the other hand, Emirate Xaaron appears to have believed, and Optimus Prime, likely due to his being Prime, was quick to accept Primus and Unicron. Interestingly, though he is bearer of Primus's life force, Optimus was not one to unthinkingly and zealously follow his god, harboring, at times, serious misgivings and distrust about the use to which Primus was putting his children.

There were likely still some number of true believers, even prior to Primus' reemergence, as the tender of the Matrix Flame and the purple cloaked monk-like elders who aid Prime in the Generation 2 comics attest.

== Botcon: "Reaching the Omega Point" ==

The only other Transformer God, aside from Primus and Unicron, to appear in any story shows up here: The [[Chronarchitect]]. He is presumably of Primus' pantheon (see Marvel Comics above) given his alliance. He is the god of time.

== The multiversal mythos ==

Beginning around the time of [[Transformers: Armada]] a new version of the Primus/Unicron story began to take shape. This new mythos was most notable for its multiversal nature: it applied not just to the new [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]] but also to the new iterations of Generation 1 being created by [[Dreamwave]] and to the multiversal [[Beast Machines]] spin-off [[Universe|Transformers: Universe]]. In fact, by its very nature the new Multiversal Mythos attempted to apply itself to everything, even retroactively to past continuity where it was often a not-so-easy fit.

The basics of this new version of the myth are that both Primus and Unicron were created by "The One," an original God-being, and sent out into the universe as emissaries/explorers. Unicron goes bad and Primus must stop him. For some unexplained reason Primus exists in all possible continuities simultaneously (picture a single string stretching through many rooms) and his destruction in any one of them would destroy all creation, while Unicron, on the other hand, exists in only one Universe at a time ever. There are no "alternate reality" multiversal versions of Unicron, he's just one single God who leaps between universes (picture a ball of yarn thrown from room to room).

Needless to say this is a tricky bit of [[retcon|Retconing]] that is hard to mesh with the original Cartoon, where there was no Primus and Unicron was only a robot made by [[Primacron]] (Allthough steps have been taken by the [[Wreckers]] and [[Universe]] series to rectify the situation), or the Marvel Comic where Primus is stated to have died and the multiverse doesn't implode.

== Alternate beliefs ==

===Cult of Unicron===

Some Transformers have willingly (or unwillingly) come to serve the dark god Unicron. The [[Fallen]] was the first of these.

In the Marvel Comic, before their long sleep Unicron was able to bury a powerful compulsion in the minds of a number Transformers causing them to form a secret cult of Unicron, which attempted to slay Optimus Prime upon his being named the leader of Primus' forces.

===Decepticon religion?===
The Decepticon myth of the [[Ultimate Warrior]] appears to be a corruption of the [[Last Autobot]] story. In the Marvel Comic the mystically inclined Decepticon [[Bludgeon]] dedicated his life to the "teachings" of the Ultimate Warrior, a path that may be taken as a possible alternate Cybertronian religion.

In Dreamwave's second [[War Within]] miniseries Bludgeon and other like-minded Decepticon mystics are shown to commune with and worship "dark" mystical forces in attempt to gain power.

The Japanese Generation 1 series present two characters that might also factor in to a Decepticon religion. [[Devil Z]] is described alternately as 'the god of the Destrons' and a guardian angel who's looked after/been worshiped by them. After Devil Z's destruction a new supernatural being arises to lead the Decepticons: [[Violen Jygar]]. A demon-like being said to be born from many angry Decepticon sparks, V.J. possessed the supernatural ability to raise the dead.

It has also been speculated that [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] took his name from a verse from the Covenant of Primus.

===[[Atechnogenesis]]===
[[Jetfire]] is often portrayed as being a Transformer atheist due to his scientific worldview. In IDW's comic series he swears by [[Primacron]] rather than Primus (Although what that implies about said continuity beyond being a cute in-joke is unknown).

[[Category: Religion| ]]<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Religion

2007-08-29T19:06:51Z

85.195.123.24: /* The multiversal mythos */

As in human cultures, in many continuities the Transformers have possessed religion to help them explain and cope with their place in the universe. In continuities where they exist, Transformer spiritual and religious beliefs are usually specifically illustrated to be truth rather than legend or superstition.

== Generation 1 cartoon==

In the original Generation 1 Cartoon, despite their witnessing supernatural occurrences such as [[magic]] and [[ghosts]] on a number of occasions without any apparent amazement or surprise there is little direct evidence for general Transformer spiritual or religious beliefs. [[Kup]] recommends praying before battle, but does not specify to whom. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness}}

It is known that the spirits of Autobot leaders past dwell within the [[Matrix of Leadership]] even after their deaths, but the mechanism of this is unknown. A living Autobot leader can journey within the Matrix to commune with them and receive visions of the past. (Rodimus needed to be near death to achieve this, but Optimus could instigate it at will.) It is unknown how spiritual or how mechanical this whole process is.

The best, if not only, other evidence we have comes from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' with the apparent prophecy that "one day an Autobot shall rise from our ranks, and use the power of the Matrix to light our darkest hour" and the repetition, prayer-like, of the phrase "[['Til all are one]]."

== Marvel Comics continuity ==

This is where the concept of Transformer religion and spiritual beliefs really took form and spread. Nearly all subsequent uses of Transformer religion derive from the foundation laid in these stories.

=== Primary beliefs ===

The story of the gods [[Primus]] and [[Unicron]] went through several iterations as they were retold by different speakers over the course of the US and UK comic run. The most distinct difference across these revisions was the fading out of their respective pantheons. When first told, by Unicron, Primus and Unicron were each merely part of a whole pantheon of other light and dark gods respectively. In the next version, by the [[Keeper]], they were the last of their pantheons, the others already having been destroyed or passed on to the [[Omniversal Matrix]]. Finally, in the version told by Primus, they were each unique beings with the existence of other gods ignored or refuted. This final version is the most frequently borrowed by later material. (The [[Botcon]] "Reaching the Omega Point" story being the notable exception, see below.)

One legend surrounding Primus is that of The [[Last Autobot]], Primus' final guardian who would come after the god's passing and the defeat of Unicron.

=== Sacred artifacts ===

The [[Creation Matrix]] is the living essence of Primus' life force and considered a sacred artifact. The bearer of it is gifted with the power to create new Transformer life. Each Matrix bearer, known as a Prime, takes a derivation of the name Primus as part of his own. Five have existed: [[Prima]], [[Prime Nova]], [[Sentinel Prime]], Optimus Prime, and Rodimus Prime. Though its existence was well known, the manifest physical nature of the Matrix was not, thus it was ignored by Shockwave when he captured Optimus and, following his death, was launched into space with Optimus' body by his fellow Autobots.

The [[Matrix Flame]] on Cybertron is set in a golden blazer on a green alter, and tended by a red tabard clad acolyte. It is the living embodiment of the sacred Creation Matrix. Its status indicates that of the Matrix and its bearer.

Several scriptual texts were recorded in the [[Covenant of Primus]], believed to be prophetic. Only two copies existed.

=== Believers ===

After millennia of war, many Transformers regarded Primus and Unicron as mere legends or disregarded them entirely. On hearing the name Primus spoken Bumblebee claims to have almost forgotten the Transformers ever had a God. Even when confronted with a giant head at the center of their planet Grimlock does not at first accept the myth of Primus and Unicron as true.

On the other hand, Emirate Xaaron appears to have believed, and Optimus Prime, likely due to his being Prime, was quick to accept Primus and Unicron. Interestingly, though he is bearer of Primus's life force, Optimus was not one to unthinkingly and zealously follow his god, harboring, at times, serious misgivings and distrust about the use to which Primus was putting his children.

There were likely still some number of true believers, even prior to Primus' reemergence, as the tender of the Matrix Flame and the purple cloaked monk-like elders who aid Prime in the Generation 2 comics attest.

== Botcon: "Reaching the Omega Point" ==

The only other Transformer God, aside from Primus and Unicron, to appear in any story shows up here: The [[Chronarchitect]]. He is presumably of Primus' pantheon (see Marvel Comics above) given his alliance. He is the god of time.

== The multiversal mythos ==

Beginning around the time of [[Transformers: Armada]] a new version of the Primus/Unicron story began to take shape. This new mythos was most notable for its multiversal nature: it applied not just to the new [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]] but also to the new iterations of Generation 1 being created by [[Dreamwave]] and to the multiversal [[Beast Machines]] spin-off [[Universe|Transformers: Universe]]. In fact, by its very nature the new Multiversal Mythos attempted to apply itself to everything, even retroactively to past continuity where it was often a not-so-easy fit.

The basics of this new version of the myth are that both Primus and Unicron were created by "The One," an original God-being, and sent out into the universe as emissaries/explorers. Unicron goes bad and Primus must stop him. For some unexplained reason Primus exists in all possible continuities simultaneously (picture a single string stretching through many rooms) and his destruction in any one of them would destroy all creation, while Unicron, on the other hand, exists in only one Universe at a time ever. There are no "alternate reality" multiversal versions of Unicron, he's just one single God who leaps between universes (picture a ball of yarn thrown from room to room).

Needless to say this is a tricky bit of [[retcon|Retconing that is hard to mesh with the original Cartoon, where there was no Primus and Unicron was only a robot made by [[Primacron]] (Allthough steps have been taken by the [[Wreckers]] and [[Universe]] series to rectify the situation), or the Marvel Comic where Primus is stated to have died and the multiverse doesn't implode.

== Alternate beliefs ==

===Cult of Unicron===

Some Transformers have willingly (or unwillingly) come to serve the dark god Unicron. The [[Fallen]] was the first of these.

In the Marvel Comic, before their long sleep Unicron was able to bury a powerful compulsion in the minds of a number Transformers causing them to form a secret cult of Unicron, which attempted to slay Optimus Prime upon his being named the leader of Primus' forces.

===Decepticon religion?===
The Decepticon myth of the [[Ultimate Warrior]] appears to be a corruption of the [[Last Autobot]] story. In the Marvel Comic the mystically inclined Decepticon [[Bludgeon]] dedicated his life to the "teachings" of the Ultimate Warrior, a path that may be taken as a possible alternate Cybertronian religion.

In Dreamwave's second [[War Within]] miniseries Bludgeon and other like-minded Decepticon mystics are shown to commune with and worship "dark" mystical forces in attempt to gain power.

The Japanese Generation 1 series present two characters that might also factor in to a Decepticon religion. [[Devil Z]] is described alternately as 'the god of the Destrons' and a guardian angel who's looked after/been worshiped by them. After Devil Z's destruction a new supernatural being arises to lead the Decepticons: [[Violen Jygar]]. A demon-like being said to be born from many angry Decepticon sparks, V.J. possessed the supernatural ability to raise the dead.

It has also been speculated that [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] took his name from a verse from the Covenant of Primus.

===[[Atechnogenesis]]===
[[Jetfire]] is often portrayed as being a Transformer atheist due to his scientific worldview. In IDW's comic series he swears by [[Primacron]] rather than Primus (Although what that implies about said continuity beyond being a cute in-joke is unknown).

[[Category: Religion| ]]<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Character model

2007-08-29T19:03:12Z

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Re: Hot Rod in G1 and Wreckers, what's the dividing line between "two different character models" and "same character drawn by different artists 18 years apart"? He just looks like the G1 character drawn in Khanna's style, to me. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 02:04, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

:The stickers man, the stickers... Also Dan drew Hot Rod On-model in the Pax Cybertronia flashback, and gave him leg kibble he's never had before in the Beast Era. [[User:193.200.150.23|193.200.150.23]] 02:22, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
:To explain more clearly, in the pre-Maximal Upgrade flashbacks, Rodimus is drawn in his cartoon character model. In Wreckers' "present day," Rodimus suddenly has more vehicle detail and his toy stickers. It's explicitly a different body with a specific origin. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:19, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
::I have the issue around somewhere- I'll make a side-by-side. -<span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva; font-size: 15px;">[[User:Derik|Derik]]</span> 03:20, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Uh, yeah, I think this is a little beyond the actual issue of a "character model"... which is typically a series of drawings done so that the animation-monkeys earning five cents a day in Korea or wherever draw the same thing each cel and details hopefully stay consistent. Not "THIS IS HOW THE CHARACTER WILL LOOK IN EVERY INCARNATION". This is a generally badly-worded article. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:18, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

:Then com up with a term for 'different characters based on the same toy have different character models and and understood to actually 'look different'.' -<span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva; font-size: 15px;">[[User:Derik|Derik]]</span> 02:44, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

:Darik's right, we do need a word for how the character's fictional appearance, and Character Model often times refers to that as well as "official top-down company mandate of what a character is to look like in later media." As for Thylacine 2000's examples those were Artistic Freedom, but in the stories those comic panels were representing, the characters probobly matched their character models. [[User:85.195.123.24|85.195.123.24]] 19:03, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

::I thought that sounded weird, too. I don't see the Wreckers interpretation of Hot Rod to be a different model, its just a more 'toyetic' design by a different artist, as Thy said, some 18 years after the original cartoon/comic models. Dan's style didn't become a standard design that was used by other artists, was it? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:05, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

:::Except it ''is'' representign a different incarnation-- Dan draws hi using his Sunbow model in the opening sequence set at the end of the great war, Hot rod mentions he's about to undergo the maximization process. In the 'present' of the Wreckers, rodimus is now much physically smaller, and he loks different (he has kibble on his legs, etc.) When he was downsized he retained the same type of car as his altmode, but his transformation pattern is now different so his robot mode looks somewhat different.
:::When Rodimus Convoy became a Microtransformer in zone, his robot mode [http://www.bwtf.com/energon/toys/rodimus/allrm.jpg looked different] too, the 'parts' were arranged differently even though his car-mode was the same.
:::This is what happened in Wreckers as well-- ecept in Wreckers there's the added layer of confusion in that both his pre-maximization and post-maximization forms are 'represented' by the same toy. -<span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva; font-size: 15px;">[[User:Derik|Derik]]</span> 03:15, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I lean strongly towards removing the Hot Rod section from this page and putting it on his character page. Do I hear strong objections to that? These are one artist's cosmetic touches and don't belong here. Look at Wildman's interpretations of Cheetor and BWMegs in "Omega Point," far bigger differences than Wrecker Rodimus. Look at Target:2006 where Galvatron IS the toy. Or the Joe/TF crossover where everybody has wires everywhere.

A proper "character model" is an official top-down company mandate of what a character is to look like in later media. It's what Dery and, later, Studio OX made and what all licensees at the time are expected to base their stuff on (and sometimes do so slavishly, thus why the same poses reappear, as mentioned in the Ravage article). It's what's in the TF:Generations book. Khanna's new Hot Rod style is not "the" new Hot Rod style, and if we include it here we'll have to include every crazy creative difference from every artist ever. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:35, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
.......and I see it's already noted on his character page. Okay, gone. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:00, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

== Rodimus Maximal Upgrade ==

<div class="thumb tright"><div class="thumbinner">http://www.emopanda.com/tmp/rodimus_maximization.jpg<div class="thumbcaption">Rodimus before and after the Maximal Upgrade</div></div></div>
His knee design has changed, the tires on his arms are oriented 90 degrees to where they used to be, he now has exhaust pipes on his legs as well, his pelvis is different an his head is somewhat more [[toyetic]].

Also, his colors have shifted from the anime pink-and-orange to a toyetic red-and-orange, most noticeable on his hands which are now orange like the toy, not silver.

It's a different body, just one ''very similar'' to his old one... and maybe half as tall. Same artist, same story, same issue; different model.-<span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva; font-size: 15px;">[[User:Derik|Derik]]</span> 03:36, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
: I'd say his new body is about the same size. He's twice the size of Mini-Bots and the same height as as Devcon, after all. The Maximal Upgrade, in his case, perhaps at that early stage, only streamlined his transformation for efficiency, what with the no longer dismissing his kibble into Subspace or whatever. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:11, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

::The Mini-bots I may agree with you on- but Devcon's form at the end of #2 was a new 'maximized' body ''based on'' his hard-coded design schematics. So, like Rodimus, he's undergone the Maximal upgrade. -<span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva; font-size: 15px;">[[User:Derik|Derik]]</span> 05:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Turbofox

2007-07-21T06:50:00Z

85.195.123.24: /* Classics */

'''Turbofoxes''' are a form of Cybertronic fauna. Despite being one of the first recorded forms of non-Transformer Cybertronic life, not much is known about the species and they have never been pictured. We DO know they're fast. Very fast. To the point that only the speediest of robots can hope to approach them.

==Fiction==

=== Generation 1 ===

[[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] and his high-priced uppercrust social circle used to hunt turbofoxes back before the war. He would rather still be engaging in such a sophisticated civilized pursuit, instead of rubbing shoulders with rag-tag dirty rebels.

=== Classics ===

The Great Wars and the resulting devastation seem to have had a negative effect on the Turbofox populations, which now are on the verge of extinction. Mirage and his yuppie friends worked towards saving them.

=== Transformers 2007 Movie ===

[[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] honed her speed hunting turbofoxes with other speedsters on Cybertron. She would use her great speed to pull near the beast, an impressive feat, before tagging it with her crossbow weapon.

[[Category:Cybertronic wildlife]]
[[Category:Generation 1]]
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Turbofox

2007-07-21T06:49:36Z

85.195.123.24: /* Fiction */

'''Turbofoxes''' are a form of Cybertronic fauna. Despite being one of the first recorded forms of non-Transformer Cybertronic life, not much is known about the species and they have never been pictured. We DO know they're fast. Very fast. To the point that only the speediest of robots can hope to approach them.

==Fiction==

=== Generation 1 ===

[[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] and his high-priced uppercrust social circle used to hunt turbofoxes back before the war. He would rather still be engaging in such a sophisticated civilized pursuit, instead of rubbing shoulders with rag-tag dirty rebels.

=== Classics ===

The Great Wars and the resulting detestation seem to have had a negative effect on the Turbofox populations, which now are on the verge of extinction. Mirage and his yuppie friends worked towards saving them.

=== Transformers 2007 Movie ===

[[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] honed her speed hunting turbofoxes with other speedsters on Cybertron. She would use her great speed to pull near the beast, an impressive feat, before tagging it with her crossbow weapon.

[[Category:Cybertronic wildlife]]
[[Category:Generation 1]]
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Talk:Greatshot

2007-07-17T22:49:41Z

85.195.123.24:

I fully admit to not being very up on a lot of Japanese continuity, but I assume given that bio that there's speculation at least that this is a new form aof Sixshot (given the events of Headmasters) Can anyone give any pros and cons of the idea?--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 09:10, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
: I thought the Decepticons he doublecrossed were Black Shadow and Blue Bacchus. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 09:46, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::Great Shot is speculated to either be an upgraded SixShot, or SixShot's son. [[User:85.195.123.24|85.195.123.24]] 22:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Insignia

2007-05-22T20:50:59Z

85.195.123.24: /* Ancient Decepticon and BWII Seacons */

There's such an AWESOME buried assumption in a section called 'Known Faction Symbols.' This whole idea that there are UNKNOWN faction symbols too. The idea that there is a BODY to this story beyond what's been written, the idea that it has a form BEFORE it's written... is facinating. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:40, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't feel the Transtech faction symbols belong here. The line never happened. The events after BM have been well established- Transtech was not it. TFU stupidity aside- they are not all Autobots and Decepticons now.

And I have to ask- there was an Arachnoid faction-symbol?

Yea there was a screencap in Lone Maximal's faction symble thread b4 the allspark went down. [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 15:27, 4 April 2006 (PDT)

I think it's fine to include them, just with an info note that they're unused.

Speaking of rare symbols I really want the 5 Predacon symbols from IDW Beast Wars to be up here too, but should they go under BW PRedacon or be their own thing?

Also there should be pics of both the regular Con symbol and the three-pointed Cartoon version.

Oh and we should look through DW/IDW art to see if there are any other unnamed symbols there on buildings or anything. [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:28, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Do we want to include pics of the diffrent variations of the faction cymbols that appeared on the toy packageing? I have the symbols from the top of the old Tech Spec archive saved on my PC and found images for the Blendtron and Commando symbols. I don't have the Cybertron symbols though.--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 23:11, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I'd like both, frankly. My source for the G2 Autobot is distressingly low-resolution (I consider anythign under 400px wide low reolution) and I'm not entiely sure my blendtron synbol is 100% right. (there 1 or two edges I couldnt' tell if they were suppsoed to be rounded or squared off.)-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:09, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

The G2 Decepticon symbol looks nothing whatsoever like Clench besides sharing that diamond-shaped forehead crest, and it's missing arguably the most distinguishing feature of Clench's face - the triangular (point-up) mouthplate. In my opinion, the G2 symbol is clearly a stylized version of the G1 Decepticon symbol. Similarly, there is essentially no similarity between the G2 Autobot symbol and Pyro - the G2 Autobot symbol couldn't much more clearly be Optimus Prime.

Also, why is the CR Combatron insignia under "Beast Era"? `[[User:LV|LV]] 17:50, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd need to go back to my G2 issues to check, but I question the validity of suggesting that the G2 Decepticon and Cybertronian symbols are any different. (The only distinction shown here is color, anyway) I also question the simplified versions of the symbols used in the cartoon as "symbols" in their own right, but it seems that I've already been outvoted on that count. The only thing I ''would'' ask for is some source text, especially for the more obscure symbols. If they're going to be here, we need to know where they come from.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 18:52, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and I totally disagree with the note that the G1 Decepticon symbol is based on Soundwave. This is a myth that has perpetuated for years, but has no basis in fact.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 18:56, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
: Well, technically, it's based on the Decepticon symbol looking just like Soundwave's toy head. But the note is gone for the moment. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:28, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
::Walky, I know you've got a good eye. Maybe you're seeing something I don't. But that's just it. To me, Soundwave's toy's head looks NOTHING like the Decepticon symbol. I've seen folks say this for years, but I'm just not seeing it....--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 22:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
:::http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/itswalky/soundwavedecepticonsymbol.jpg
:::There's some obvious correlation here. But nothing I can say with absolute certainty, so the note is down until further notice. But, damn, the Decepticon symbol does look like it was based on an abstraction of Soundwave's noggin. The crest, the horns, the shape of the face, everything. I think Soundwave's cartoon face is distracting you. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:01, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
::::No, I'm thinking toy-face. (Thanks for the side-by-side, incidentally). Still, I don't think I'd say the Decepticon symbol is "based on" Soundwave, any more than I'd say that there's a generic similarity of shape. But we're mincing minutia at this point. Thanks for indulging me.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 23:55, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::I believe Floro Dery mentioned in an interview that the faction symbols were based on abstractions of faces done by another artist. I also put it to you that the Autobot insignia is probably an abstraction of Prowl's toy face. Unfortunately we have no CONCRETE evidence for the sources of the insignias -- other than Dery's comments. --[[User:Jhiaxus|Jhiaxus]] 11:24, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

There is no "Seacon space pirate" sigil. A comical skull-and-crossbones on the sail does not a sigil make. The toy packaging gives them the same purple insect-head Predacon sigil every other badguy in the series gets. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey, someoen put the Blendtron symbol under Unicron in G1. When was the Blendtron symbol used outside of Neo? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:42, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

E-hobby Overcharge [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 02:50, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
:But didn't we decide to default to the line of origin unless there was a commanding reason to use another? Also, we tend not to link things multiple times in the same article, so I see no reason why the Blendtron symbol should show up twice here. Methinks someone's been more than a tad overzealous....--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 13:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

==Article title==

I recently moved this article to correct the second capitalized word. However, I am unsure as to whether to move it again and remove the plural. Most article names are singular, even for something like [[Constructicon]]. However, one of the points of this article is to describe and show many faction symbols. This sort of implies a plural title to me. So... I'm conflicted. Does anybody have an opinion? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I think that if this were an article describing the general signifigance of a faction symbol, that might be appropriate. But this is a list of Faction Symbols. The list is inherenly plural, there's like 30 of 'em. 'Faction Symbol,' describing the role and importance of saction symbols in general might be a seperate article- this is a list. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:39, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

==The 5 Predacon symbols==
I want to add the 5 symbols from IDW Beast Wars, but I have a concern. There is no cannonical evidence that they are actually faction symbols. We never see anyone useing them. Right now, the only thing we know about them is that they were used as wall decoration.

Or do we just assume they ''are'' faction symbols? --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 15:42, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

:Add them. If we decide they go somewhere else (and I think they probably do, likely the Predacon faction page, or maybe the Predacon sub-group, I dunno...) we'll move them.
:Reminder, you can find the rest of... uh.... Ramhorn's partially obscurred symbol in the pencil-sketch previews to Beast Wars #1 that appeared in Infiltration. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:11, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
::Headstrong. Ramhorn is the Autobot rhino cassette. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:59, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

:::The exception that prooves the rule. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:13, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
::::....what? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:58, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

==Miscellaneous issues==
===Robots in Diguise Commando===
When was that term used? What's the difference between a RiD Commando and a RiD Decepticon?

::I'm assuing this is a placeholder spot for the Car Robots Destronger symbol, which was a green, upside-down G2 Autobot sigil. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:46, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

===Bot/Con Symbols in RiD/UT sections?===
Should the Autobot and Decepticon (and Predacon in RiD) symbols also be listed in the Robots in Disguise amd Unicron Trilogy sections? It might be misleading if only unique symbols are listed in those sections. "Are Minicons and Powerlinx the only factions in the Unicron Trilogy?"
===Organization===
The G1 section seems to be vaguely organized chronologically, but Beast Wars doesn't make sense to me. Since certain chronological listings might be debatable (Ancient Autobot and Ancient Transformer: who comes first, etc), I propose to make each section alphabetical.<br>
Generation 1<br>
Autobot<br>
Autobot (Ancient)<br>
Autobot (The War Within)<br>
Decepticon<br>
etc.

Also, why does G2 get a seperate sction, but Beast Machines does not?

===''Factions''?===
There is no basis for calling the five IDW Beast Wars symbols "factions", and the Energon Powerlinx symbols are not factions. But I want to keep a page with all these symbols. Rename article to just "Symbols"? Or maybe that would open it up too much. Just a rambling thought.

Don't want to make any changes without talking about it. Thanks for listening. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 01:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
--[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 01:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

:I think it's fine titled "faction symbols" but also inlcuding symbols that aren't strictly of "factions," with appropriate notations about whether a symbol is a variant of a faction symbol or just something faction symbol-esque that's close enough for inclusion, etc. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:20, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

::They might move if we get enough other signage and symbols. (We have, for instance, two seperate Cybertronian medical symbols, one Autobot and one Decepticon.)
::You mgith argue that if we have a page liek thism we maybe should have a much-clearer 'factions' page that, as Crockcrikey suggests, list which factions appear in which series, makign this page just abouth the SYMBOLS. As it's it's kinda dual-purpose, providing quick bio's about the faction in addition to the symbols and variants themselves. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:48, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
::In that case, where should things like, say, Sideways's split-down-the-middle insignia from his packaging and the Maximal/Vehicon blend found on the Beast Changer toy go, if anywhere at all? On the other hand, if it stays here and keeps gathering up symbols that aren't strictly "faction" symbols, somebody ought to add the planet symbols from Cybertron/Galaxy force--[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] 22:27, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

== Um, guys, you forgot something... ==

Not to be a nudge, but the normal G1 Decepticon symbol isn't actually pictured in the article anywhere except in the pic that has it inserted in the cobra insignia. Also, a pic of the "three-pointed" cartoon version might help in showing exactly where the difference lies. --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] 22:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Anyone going to throw in Dreamwave's alternate Unicron faction symbol? I remember it being used for the MTMTE profiles for Nemesis Prime and maybe Sideways, although I don't have it on hand. I feel that it's required.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:46, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

==Team Ironhide==
Dunno if we want to include this, since it's just an abstraction of Energon Ironhide's head, but there's a good shot of it [http://www.fantofan.jp/news/video/superlink456.JPG here]. Plus, [http://www.fantofan.jp/news/video/superlink4510.JPG here] and [http://www.fantofan.jp/news/video/superlink444.JPG here]. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 11:48, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

==Planet symbols...==
I'm... not really sure about these as "faction symbols". I dunno. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:27, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

:See the discussion above ("'''''Factions''?'''") for more input on the inclusion of non-faction symbols. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 16:27, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

::I think the consensus was- "Wait until we have anough non-faction symbols here to justify splittign them off into their own page." We're getting close, but that'll necessitate a long, unpleasant discussion about what is and isn't a faction symbol. (For instance, I think the IDW Quint symbol is the US Quint faction symbol- just like we have American and Japanese Unicron-allied symbols.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:32, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

:::IDW Quint symbol? I hope you don't mind me asking where that's shown, out of curiousity. -[[User:Tindalos|Tindalos]] 19:43, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

== Hmm... ==

[[Image:Optimus symbol.png|100px]] [[Image:Maximal symbol.png|100px]]

...probably just my imagination. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 16:45, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

== G1 "Cartoon" vs "Comic" symbols ==
OK, time for an opinion poll: Should there be pix of both the "Cartoon" and "Comic" versions of the G1 Bot & Con symbols? I would say so, and several of you expressed the same opinion in the above discussions. Earlier today I added the cartoon Bot symbol and the comic Con symbol thereby completing the "pairs", but not soon after, the comic versions were removed. I have since replaced them, not to rebuff that editor, but based on the reasoning that if we can have five different colored Powerlinx symbols (?!), why would we '''not''' have both distinct variations of the two '''''main''''' symbols. Thoughts, anyone? [[User:Evil-yuusha|Evil-yuusha]] 03:25, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

:Well, your cartoon Decepticon symbol doesn't look like the cartoon Decepticon symbol, for one. I'm guessing that was part of the cause for the reversion. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

::Indeed. There are different Powerlinx symbols depicted because those are all legitimately distinct symbols which were intended to be legitimately distinct symbols, and they all *mean different things*. The Autobot/Decepticon symbols in the cartoon/comic/toyline are all the same symbol but rendered differently due to media format. We are NOT going to have separate entries for every single mis-render of the same symbol design. That's absurd.
::As Derik pointed out, what you had uploaded wasn't even the "cartoon versions" of those symbols! Those are just the fancy painted versions thereof that were on toy packages, some Marvel Comics covers, and, of course, the toys. I reworked all of that because it was ''inaccurate.'' --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:40, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

:::It ''might'' be reasonable to include the cartoon version of the Decepticon symbol, since it had the whole triple-point deal going. But as far as I know there's no equivalent variation in the Autobot symbol. And, as stated, the painted Decepticon symbol is '''NOT''' the cartoon's variant Decepticon symbol. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 14:18, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

::::Well thank you for pointing out how "absurd" my reasoning is Walky, its certainly more informative than your previous Post Summary of "Argh". I think some clarification may be needed, as there seems to be confusion (very possibly on my part).
::::This is one of the two images I posted:
::::[[Image:symbol_autobot_dx_edit.jpg|40px]]Is this what you all would deem "cartoon" or "comic"? Or if neither, why?
::::[[Image:symbol_decept_reg.jpg|35px]] This is the other image I posted. Cartoon? Comic? Neither?
::::Seeing as how I posted one version of the Bot symbol and the OTHER version of the Con symbol (the two that were missing at the time), how can I be wrong in both cases?

::::And just for the record, when I re-posted what I perceive to be the "comic" versions, I replaced [[Image:Autobot symbol.png|40px]] (which was what was previously posted), with [[Image:Symbol_autobot_reg.jpg|40px]], simply because I thought it looked nicer. [[User:Evil-yuusha|Evil-yuusha]] 15:26, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

::::: That first Autobot symbol only appeared on Hasbro packaging from '84 to '86, Japanese packaging, cartoon scene bumpers, and some comic covers. The Decepticon symbol in the cartoon generally had a 3rd spike on the center top piece due to the beveling on the "packaging" symbol being misinterpreted. We're not going to have a picture of every interpertation of every symbol, lest we have a pic of the changes the packaging symbol when through in the G1 line, the different color borders in G2, the slightly different shapes from RID, Armada, Energon, Cybertron, Classics, and the movie. Diffrent styles does not equal a new faction symbol. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:21, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

:::::Also, that white-border Autobot sigil looks blurry. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:23, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

::::::Blurry, eh? I thought it was just my contacts. =) I agree that variation does not a new symbol make, but to me it seemed significant to show the two '''distinctly''' different "variations" of these two symbols. (And I'm not talking about "third point crest cartoon" version, or what have you.) The 3-D, glossy, transition-color "deluxe-looking" (if you will) version appearing on packaging, toon bumpers, etc to my knowledge (and i'm sure someone will correct me if im wrong) was never used on an actual '''figure''', nor did characters in the comics and/or cartoon bear sigils with this appearance. It more or less had media-only usage, correct? In contrast, the 2-D, matte, solid-color "plain-looking" version was the type used on the toys, as well as typically being seen on animated/drawn characters.

::::::Was there ever melding of these two styles? A 3-D glossy symbol with solid colors? or a 2-D matte symbol that transitioned in color? If there was, then I humbly retract my previous ramblings and apologize to the community at large (especially Walky, who seems keen on shooting down whatever i do anyway. And yes, I am aware of the differences between the powerlink colors, but I think my point has validity nonetheless). In any event i do admit to being confused as to exaclty what the "cartoon version" of the Con symbol was in reference to (thank you FortMax). =P

:::::::But if I am correct in saying that there is a '''''measure of deliniation''''' between these two styles, and not just a simple case of "variation" (which is essentially what the "three point crest" is, and you guys seem to think that's worthy of mention), then at the very least I think they should be shown as a footnote of some type to the page, perhaps following the Unused symbols. [[User:Evil-yuusha|Evil-yuusha]] 18:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

::::::All of the G1 merchandise that had a symbol not taken from boxart used the logo symbols. The one exception is the marvel US comics, but that was due to the low-tech printing methods used. Plus, whatever the border shaps or solidness of the color, it's still recognizable as the Autobot symbol. The only time we would need a cartoon version on this page is when said sigil only appears in the cartoon. Plus, the only fictional apperences of the package style sigils (that I know of) are in scene bumpers, commercial bumpers, and titles, none of which actually happen in-universe, and the solid colored symbol appeared on the toys before the cartoon or comics were released.

:An example of the cartoon Decepticon symbol might be a good idea though. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 20:08, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

== TWW Predacon and LSC symbols ==

Did the TWW Predacons (Starscream's group) or the Lightning Strike Coalition (Grimlocks group) have their own faction symbols? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 20:12, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
: Not that I'm aware of. And they both continue to wear their respective Con/Bot logos on themselves. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:50, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
::Although I'm pretty sure they've started being the standard symbols instead of the TWW ones by then. -[[User:LV|LV]] 01:00, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

== Ancient Transformer Symbol ==

Ok, whoever called shannanigans, explain your objection... I admit It's been a long time since I've looked at some DW issues but the Anceint unified faction bit seems to jive with what I remember being said. Anyone who's looked at things recently clarrify? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
:The ancient faction symbol appeared on the Vector Sigma room, the Archives (IIRC) and the golden Disk room on Paradron. It's ''ancient'', and it has nothing to do with Shockwave. Shockwave welded a blank plate over his faction symbol- he didn't create a new hybrid symbol. There ''was'' no Hybrid symbol for Shockwav'es reign on Cybertron.
:So in short, the nature of my objection is... it's wrong. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:17, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

::So, uh... fix it? Why call shenanigans instead? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 02:10, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
:::'cuz I didn't want to be the one to fix it, being next-deep in other edits at the time. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:32, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

== Change page title to "Insignia"? ==

This page hasn't really ever been limited to faction symbols, so I think a move is in order. Anyone disagree? [[User:Chip|Chip]] 02:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
:Disagree, because how would I ever find it then? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:48, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
:: DEAR GOD, CHANGE IT NOW. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:54, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

::: :~( -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:56, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

:: It would unfortunately redirect. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 03:03, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

==Ancient Decepticon and BWII Seacons==

"Ancient Decepticon" has been here a long time with no symbol. Does an ancient Decepticon symbol exist? Also, yea or nay on BWII Seacons symbol? (Unless someone can find a better image of [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Seacons_bw.jpg that flag], it's moot anyway.) --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 20:38, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:I think someone had a seacon skull up at one point- or at least there was a discussion about its variations...
:I've removed ancient decepticon- AFAIK, that's a relic of an unofficial reprolabel set that decided Shockwave's funky symbol was the counterpart of the ancient Autobot symbol- in defiance of all context. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:46, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
===That picture isn't even the right symbol===
From the BWII movie
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Dragon

2007-04-15T04:01:16Z

85.195.123.24: /* ''Beast Wars II'' */

[[Image:dragon.jpg|thumb|250px|A [[That big green, fire-snortin' lizard|big, green, fire snortin' lizard]]. No, not [[Hojoni|''that'' one]].]]
'''Dragons''' are large reptilian, fire-breathing monsters. Though on modern-day [[Earth]], they are considered mythological creatures by native [[human]]s, real specimens have been known to exist.

Dragons can be bipedal, quadrupedal, winged, have necks of various size, and have heads or tails in ranging numbers. Indeed, since the term "dragon" is so generic, it seems possible to describe creatures not native to Earth which fall under the very forgiving criteria as dragons.

==Fiction==
===''Generation 1'' animated continuity===
At least one full-on dragon (reptilian, fire-breathing, winged) has been seen on [[Earth]] in medieval times, and a similar but less imposing creature (supposedly from Borneo) in the modern era. The medieval dragon was tremendous in size, dwarfing both [[human|humans]] and averaged-sized Transformers. Although quite dangerous, it was driven off by a wizard using [[dragon's bane]].

[[Lord Chumley]] spent years patiently stalking the {{Tooltip|Kinabalu dragon|Not explicitly named, but alluded to}} of Borneo before transporting it back to his estate. He later set it against the captive [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. Kinabalu was a little larger than Prime, had no wings, and did not breathe fire. It attacked him with teeth and claws, but Prime threw it off a bridge.

Also, the fictional movie monster [[Hojoni]] bears a striking resemblance to the medieval dragon, though wingless.

The only known instance of a non-Terran dragon was in the dimension of [[Menonia]], where a wizard called the [[Golden One]] could use [[magic]] to take on the form of a large, flying golden dragon.

====''Classics'' toyline====
Also in the G1 continuity is the Mini-Con, [[Nightscream (Classics)|Nightscream]]. He takes on the form of a dragon similar to that of the aforementioned medieval dragon, but red. It might be added that his connector is on his aft.

===''Beast Wars''===
[[Image:Megatrontm2render.jpg|thumb|left|200px|The auditions for Reign Of Fire were going well.]]
When the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] took on the [[spark]] of his [[Decepticon]] [[Megatron (G1)|namesake]] and was submersed in lava, his form mutated from a ''Tyrannosaurus rex'' to a large, red, fire-breathing dragon, possibly hinting at an evolutionary connection between dinosaurs and dragons.

===''Beast Wars II''===
[[Image:Galvatron_2.JPG‎ |thumb|200px|Puff the magic dragon, shot you in the face]]
Galvatron had the computer on [[Gaia]] (future Earth) download the most powerful creature from the planet's past, which resulted in the DNA of a dragon being downloaded into his system along with the planets most powerful weapon, which turned out to be a Drill-tank for some odd reason, resulting in a partly cybernetic, partly organic beast mode. This dragon may confirm the breed's existence as a species.

===Unicron Trilogy===
The leader of [[Jungle Planet]], [[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]], transformed into a mechanical dragon with the ability to deploy up to three heads. Though the Jungle Planet is populated entirely by Transformers who transform into mechanical beast modes seemingly modeled after Earth creatures, it is unknown if Scourge's alt-mode has any direct connection to mythological dragons of Earth, which he expressed confusion about.

==External links==
[http://www.biopark.org/dragonhistory.html Kinabalu - Island of Borneo Dragon Tale]

[[Category: Beast Wars]]
[[Category: Cybertron]]
[[Category: Generation 1]]
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Repugnus (G1)

2007-04-14T11:35:37Z

85.195.123.24: /* Fiction */

{{disambig3|Repugnus}}

:''Repugnus is an [[Autobot]] in the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

Never a [[Decepticon]], '''Repugnus''' is not always an Autobot. No, sometimes he's a former Autobot who has been discharged for insubordination or just plain nastiness, but he always gets called back to perform some mission too unsavory for anybody else. Though he doesn't give slag for authority or decency, Repugnus always does his job well.

Man, does he love his job. He'll describe, with relish, how he clawed an enemy within an inch of his life, then beat the bastard's head to a fuel-soaked wad of scrap metal with his own torn-off leg unit. He'll also add plenty of profanities and colorful idioms to the story. His friends would find this disturbing, if he had any.

:''Japanese name'': '''Repugg'''<br>
:''French-Canadian name'': '''Répugnus'''

==Fiction==
===Headmasters===

===Toy commercial===

Repugnus and the [[Monsterbot]]s were created accidentally during an attempt to create new Autobots. [[Kup]] raced to warn [[Rodimus Prime]] and [[Blurr]] of the accident, as the wild Monsterbots trashed the lab where they were born. Thankfully the [[Decepticons]] attacked just then and the Monsterbots burst out of the building through the wall to fight them. Rodimus expressed relief that, though they were monsters, at least they were Autobot monsters.

===Marvel Comics continuity===

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Repugnus''' (Monsterbot, 1987/1988)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-98'''

: Repugnus transforms from robot to bizarre bug-thing and back. His toy can shoot "cold" sparks from his bug-mode mouth by pressing down on a geared button on his bug-skull.

: In Japan, Repugnus was never made available as part of the normal retail line. Instead, he was offered only as a mail-order item during ''[[Masterforce]]'', the series ''after'' [[Headmasters (franchise)|the one the character appeared in]]. He cost 2500 yen (200 yen more than the other two Monsterbots) and five [[robot points]].

==Trivia==
* The Monsterbots were going to appear in a cameo in the fourth issue of the [[Universe (comic)|''Wreckers'' comic]], but the issue was ultimately never published.

* Repugnus has been the inspiration for a pair of [[homage]] toys in later lines, [[Repugnus (disambiguation)|both of which bear the same name]].

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1987/Autobot/Repugnus/repugnus.htm Repugnus at TFU.info.]

*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Repugnus Repugnus' Universe profile at NTFA.net.]

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Talk:Speeder

2007-04-08T19:46:54Z

85.195.123.24:

Uh... whats' the source of this "son" deal? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:16, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
:Not that such a thing is out-of-place in the fucked-up world of Takara TF fiction (then again, Quickswitch is Sixshot's "son"... oy). I'm just wondering. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:36, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay... is this the RM catalog mini-comic, the online comic, in the DVD animation? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

:Process of elimination- it's not the DVD (unless there was a 3rd episode, and I don't think there was.)
:Is there a site online that hosts/has translations of the Robotmasters comics? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:42, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

::I remember reading this part on Hydra's site, but I checked the Way-back marchine and found nothing.

Here's Dai Atlas' tech specs if that helps anyone.
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Gigant Bomb

2007-04-08T19:45:21Z

85.195.123.24:

:''Gigant Bomb is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Zone]] and then [[Robot Masters]] portions of [[Generation 1]], or is it the other way around, we can't really tell.''

A colossal Decepticon from the year [[Zone|2025]], '''Gigant Bomb''' traveled through the [[Blasty Zone]] to the year 2004. Joining with the Decepticons of that era and partnering with [[Smokesniper]] to form the super aircraft [[Gigant Sniper]], Gigant Bomb is a grave threat to the [[Autobot]]s. Luckily for them, his old enemies [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]] and [[Victory Leo]] have followed him to the past!

Gigant Bomb has an internal purification plant that can rapidly absorb and utilize almost any form of energy, enhancing his offensive and defensive capabilities.

''('''Note''': Gigant Bomb's name is pronounced with a pair of hard G's: "gai-gant".)''

==Fiction==
===Robot Masters Catalgoue Comics===
Gigant Bomb, infused with a chunk of [[solitarium]], joins his partner Smokesniper in beating up some Autobots. They clobber [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Optimus Primal]], but Star Saber and Victory Leo intervene. Combining to form [[Victory Saber]], the solitarium is sliced right out of Gigant Bomb, and the two Decepticons are sent running.

===Robot Masters Online Comics===

==Toys==
===Robot Masters===
*'''Gigant Bomb''' (Robot Master, 2004)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''RM14'''

: A [[redeco]] of the [[Generation 2]] [[Dreadwing (G2)|Dreadwing]] toy, Gigant Bomb transforms into a "flying wing" style stealth bomber with underslung six-missile gatling cannon. He can also transform into a treaded "tank" mode. In jet form, he can combine with Smokesniper's jet mode to make a complete aircraft called Gigant Sniper.

: The same mold is used by [[BB]] and [[Dreadwind (RiD)|Dreadwind]]. The mold was also intended to be used for [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] in G2, but was never released.

: Unique to this release is the solitarium weapon "Pulverizer", a hand-held non-firing cannon. Also, this is the only time this mold was sold separately from the smaller partner unit.

==External Links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Destron/GigantBomb/gigantbomb.htm Gigant Bomb at TFU.info]

[[Category: Combiners]]
[[Category: Decepticons]]
[[Category: Japan-only characters]]
[[Category: Robot Masters characters]]
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Gigant Bomb

2007-04-08T19:44:15Z

85.195.123.24: RM retroactivly places him within the Zone era, as Victory Saber has allready passed the mantle of leadership to Dai Atlas

:''Gigant Bomb is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Zone]] and then [[Robot Masters]] portions of [[Generation 1]].''

A colossal Decepticon from the year [[Zone|2025]], '''Gigant Bomb''' traveled through the [[Blasty Zone]] to the year 2004. Joining with the Decepticons of that era and partnering with [[Smokesniper]] to form the super aircraft [[Gigant Sniper]], Gigant Bomb is a grave threat to the [[Autobot]]s. Luckily for them, his old enemies [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]] and [[Victory Leo]] have followed him to the past!

Gigant Bomb has an internal purification plant that can rapidly absorb and utilize almost any form of energy, enhancing his offensive and defensive capabilities.

''('''Note''': Gigant Bomb's name is pronounced with a pair of hard G's: "gai-gant".)''

==Fiction==
===Robot Masters Catalgoue Comics===
Gigant Bomb, infused with a chunk of [[solitarium]], joins his partner Smokesniper in beating up some Autobots. They clobber [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Optimus Primal]], but Star Saber and Victory Leo intervene. Combining to form [[Victory Saber]], the solitarium is sliced right out of Gigant Bomb, and the two Decepticons are sent running.

===Robot Masters Online Comics===

==Toys==
===Robot Masters===
*'''Gigant Bomb''' (Robot Master, 2004)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''RM14'''

: A [[redeco]] of the [[Generation 2]] [[Dreadwing (G2)|Dreadwing]] toy, Gigant Bomb transforms into a "flying wing" style stealth bomber with underslung six-missile gatling cannon. He can also transform into a treaded "tank" mode. In jet form, he can combine with Smokesniper's jet mode to make a complete aircraft called Gigant Sniper.

: The same mold is used by [[BB]] and [[Dreadwind (RiD)|Dreadwind]]. The mold was also intended to be used for [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] in G2, but was never released.

: Unique to this release is the solitarium weapon "Pulverizer", a hand-held non-firing cannon. Also, this is the only time this mold was sold separately from the smaller partner unit.

==External Links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Destron/GigantBomb/gigantbomb.htm Gigant Bomb at TFU.info]

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[[Category: Decepticons]]
[[Category: Japan-only characters]]
[[Category: Robot Masters characters]]
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Speeder

2007-04-08T18:48:03Z

85.195.123.24:

:''Speeder is an [[Autobot]] [[Micromaster]] from the [[Zone]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

'''Speeder''' is the Micromaster partner and son to the Autobot [[Dai Atlas]], and helps him fend off the [[Nine Great Demon Generals]].

==Fiction==
===Robot Masters===
When [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]] learns of [[Leo Prime|Leo Prime's]] son [[Lio Junior]], he remarks that his good friend Dai Atlas has a son as well, referring to Speeder
==Toys==
===Zone===
*'''Dai Atlas''' (Autobot, 1990)
:''Japanese ID number'': '''C-348'''

: Speeder transforms into an Indy Corvette sportscar. He was only available with his larger partner Dai Atlas, who has numerous gimmicks intended for Speeder and other Micromasters.

*'''Big Powered''' (Multi-pack, 1990)
:''Japanese ID number'': '''C-353'''

: All three [[Powered Master]]s ([[Sonic Bomber]], Dai Atlas and [[Road Fire]]) as well as their Micromaster partners were also available in a great big gift set.

==Trivia==
* Speeder has basically no deco whatsoever. While all three Powered Master partners have no [[paint appliation]]s, Speeder is the only one to not even get a crummy windshield decal.

==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/1990/Cybertron/Speeder/speeder.htm Speeder at TFU.info]

[[Category: Autobots]]
[[Category: Micromasters]]
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Dai Atlas (G1)

2007-04-08T18:12:42Z

85.195.123.24:

{{disambig3|Atlas}}
:''Dai Atlas is an [[Autobot]] [[Supreme Commander]] from the Japanese [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:DaiAtlas1.jpg|right|250px|thumb|An atlas helps you find stuff, Dai Atlas shoots you in the face.]]

'''Dai Atlas''' succeeded [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]] as [[Supreme Commander]] of the Autobot forces. A skilled swordsman, his prowess with a blade is considered almost equal to that of his predacessor.
Dai Atlas has sworn to defeat the forces of the new [[Decepticon]] [[Emperor of Destruction]], [[Violen Jygar]], and protect the [[Zodiac]] at all costs.

Dai Atlas is a [[Powered Master]] who can combine with his partners. When combined with [[Sonic Bomber]], they become [[Sky Powered]]. When combined with [[Road Fire]], they become [[Land Powered]]. And finally, when combined with Sonic Bomber and Road Fire, the three form the massive [[Big Powered]].

His son [[Speeder]], accompanies him in battle as his [[Micromaster]] partner.

''('''Note''': "Dai" is a Japanese word meaning "great" or "big", and can refer to both physical size, rank or prestige. Similarly, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_%28mythology%29 Atlas] was a giant in Greek mythology so big that he literally held the sky on his shoulders.)''

==Fiction==
===Animated continuity===
===Zone===
:''Voice actor: [[Yūsaku Yara]] (Japan)''

Dai Atlas, along with his fellow Powered Masters, created the technologicial planet [[Zone]] which eventually developed the super energy source, [[Energon Z]]. After the [[Nine Great Demon Generals]] attacked and destroyed the planet [[Feminia]], and the [[Supreme Commander]] [[Victory Saber]] was lost in the explosion, Dai Atlas and Sonic Bomber left to search for their leader. The pair eventually found the injured Autobot and returned him to Zone for repairs. They then left for [[Earth]], to counter an attack from the Demon Generals.

Dai Atlas and Sonic Bomber arrived just in the nick of time, saving the Autobot [[Micromaster]]s from the all-powerful Decepticons. Dai Atlas then raced [[Devastator]] to the underground location of the [[Zodiac]], an energy source capable of creating an entire universe. Devastator beat Dai Atlas to the punch and handed the Zodiac off to [[King Poseidon]]. Dai Atlas killed Devastator in a flood of hot lava and chased King Poseidon to the surface, where he wrestled the Zodiac away from him. Unleashing the power of the Zodiac, both Dai Atlas and Sonic Bomber transformed into their base modes and blasted [[Trypticon]] and King Poseidon into oblivion. [[Predaking]] attempted to escape but was sliced neatly in half by Dai Atlas' blade.

After returning to Zone with the Zodiac, Victory Saber enaugerated Dai Atlas as the new Autobot Supreme Commander.

====Zone story pages====

Dai Atlas and Sonic Bomber were eventually joined by a third Powered Master, Road Fire. When the Zodiac was finally taken by Violen Jygar, the trio fought to take it back. Combining into Big Powered, they destroyed Violen Jygar.

===Battlestars===

To counter the threat of [[Dark Nova]], Dai Atlas charged the [[Battlestar]]s with the task of resurrecting [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. Giving the Zodiac to their leader, [[Sky Garry]], Dai Atlas enaugerated the youthful Autobot as temporary Supreme Commander, at least until Optimus Prime was brought back online.

===Dreamwave comics continuity===

[[Image:DaiAtlas_cameo.jpg|left|thumb|165px|Appearance - Cameo. Residuals... [[Omega Supreme (G1)|oh wait already did that joke.]]]]

In Dreamwave's Transformers G1 (Ongoing) #10, Dai Atlas was seen as a statue representing an ancient transformer, together with [[Deathsaurus]]. {{Storylink|The Route of All Evil}}

{{-}}

==Toys==
===Zone===
*'''Dai Atlas''' (1990)
''Japanese ID Number:'' '''C-348'''

: Dai Atlas was made available in the 1990 Transformers Zone toyline. He was never released outside of Japan. He was released again later that year as part of a gift set with Sonic Bomber and Road Fire. Being a powered master, he contained a battery-powered motor as a gimmick which could rotate the treads on his legs, allowing him to move under his own power.

: Dai Atlas transformed into an drill-equipped excavation vehicle that could also fly. In base mode, he could connect to other Micromaster bases, as well as his buddies Sonic Bomber and Road Fire. While in this mode, the battery powered treads could launch Micromaster figures down ramps.

===Merchandise===
===Super Figure Collection Act 8===
*'''Dai Atlas'''
[[Image:Transformers_SCF_Act_8_Dai_Atlus.jpg|right|thumb|150px]]

: A soft-plastic PVC of Dai Atlas was made in "Act 8" of [[Takara]]'s [[Super Collection Figure]] line. It was avilaable in both full-color and pewter-finish versions, one of each per case of twelve.

{{-}}

==Trivia==
* Dai Atlas may or may not be the same character as ''[[Universe]]'''s [[King Atlas]].

* The Dai Atlas toy was used as the "Goryu" mech for "[[Brave]] Express Might Gaine" villain Joe Raibaru. The model was also used for the "Atlas Mk.II" unmanned drones from the same series, which were never made as toys.

==External links==

*[http://www.tfu.info/1990/Cybertron/DaiAtlas/daiatlas.htm Dai Atlas at TFU.info]

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[[Category: Autobot leaders]]
[[Category: Battlestars characters]]
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Speeder

2007-04-08T18:12:40Z

85.195.123.24:

:''Speeder is an [[Autobot]] [[Micromaster]] from the [[Zone]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

'''Speeder''' is the Micromaster partner and son to the Autobot [[Dai Atlas]], and helps him fend off the [[Nine Great Demon Generals]].

==Toys==
===Zone===
*'''Dai Atlas''' (Autobot, 1990)
:''Japanese ID number'': '''C-348'''

: Speeder transforms into an Indy Corvette sportscar. He was only available with his larger partner Dai Atlas, who has numerous gimmicks intended for Speeder and other Micromasters.

*'''Big Powered''' (Multi-pack, 1990)
:''Japanese ID number'': '''C-353'''

: All three [[Powered Master]]s ([[Sonic Bomber]], Dai Atlas and [[Road Fire]]) as well as their Micromaster partners were also available in a great big gift set.

==Trivia==
* Speeder has basically no deco whatsoever. While all three Powered Master partners have no [[paint appliation]]s, Speeder is the only one to not even get a crummy windshield decal.

==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/1990/Cybertron/Speeder/speeder.htm Speeder at TFU.info]

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Talk:Transformers: Super-God Masterforce (franchise)

2007-04-03T01:06:55Z

85.195.123.24:

If you are talking about Masterforce, you should be using Cyberton and Destron, not Autobot and Decepticon.
:This wiki uses the Western equivalents wherever applicable, excepting actual differing characters.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 21:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
::And besides, Masterforce itself establishes that Cybertron/Destron and Autobot/Decepticon are interchangeable, in that one News paper from the episode Mega pretends to be a fortune teller.<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Ginrai (human)

2007-04-03T01:03:18Z

85.195.123.24: /* ''Victory'' animated series */

{{disambig2|the American trucker|the Nebulan scientist who is sometimes called Hi-Q|Hi-Q}}

:''Ginrai is a human and [[Autobot]] [[Godmaster]] in the [[Masterforce]] portion of [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''[[Image:Ginrai comb1.gif|thumb|250px|"Hair this perfect doesn't just '''happen!'''"]]

Born in Nagano, [[Japan]], '''Ginrai''' found the country's atmosphere stifling for most his early life, and left for the [[United States]] at age seventeen to find himself. He took a job as a long-haul truck driver for [[Union Transportation]], which offered him the freedom and solitude of the open road. His easy-going personality earned him many friends amongst his "brothers" in the trucker fraternity.

''RTM dub name: '''Optimus Prime'''

==Fiction==
===''Masterforce'' animated series===
[[Image:Ginraiarmor.jpg|thumb|left|It rides up the crotch.]]
:''Voice actor:'' [[Hiroshi Takemura]] (Japanese)

The story that would bring Ginrai into contact with the Transformers began an indeterminate number of years ago, when the super-energy alien being and self-styled "Decepticon god" [[Devil Z]] stole several [[Transtector]]s - including one intended to be used by the legendary Autobot leader [[Optimus Prime]] - from an area of space known as the [[G Nebula]]. Already filled with the [[Chokon Power|Tenchokon]] of the nebula, the Transtectors were then scattered across the Earth by Devil Z, that they might absorb the planet's [[Chokon Power|Chichokon]]. Devil Z planned to have human beings bond to the Transtectors, adding their inherent [[Chokon Power|Jinchokon]] to the equation, thereby creating a new super-robotic lifeform - [[Godmaster]]s.

Through undivulged circumstances, the Transtector intended for Prime assumed the form of a red tractor trailer cab, and came to rest in a small garage in California. The unwitting [[garage owner (Masterforce)|garage owner]] rented the cab to several truckers, but always found it returned early, with complaints of unusual, even supernatural, incidents.

[[Image:250px-Ginrai_tf.jpg|thumb|right|Prime? Never heard of him.]]

Two years after coming to America, Ginrai happened to be transporting an ill dolphin to the Ocean Research Institue of California, run - unbeknownst to him - by the Autobot [[Pretender]] [[Diver]]. Destiny stepped in when Ginrai's truck broke down on the way, and he pulled in at this very garage, where the owner rented him the Transtector to complete his delivery. In the glove box of the cab, he discovered a pair of [[Master-Braces]] and slipped them on his wrists, only to discover that he was unable to remove them. When Diver laid eyes upon the bracelets, he recognised the basic design of them, and insisted that Ginrai take him back to the garage where he had found the truck. On the way, however, they were attacked by the Decepticon Godmaster brothers [[Hydra and Buster]], who forced the truck off a cliff. Accidentally touching the bracelets as he attempted to escape the crushed cab, Ginrai was infused with the Masterforce and a suit of armor materialised around him, healing both himself and the Transtector, as they combined and transformed. Now a Godmaster himself, Ginrai saw the shocked Decepticon off. {{Storylink|The Hero is Chosen, and His Name is Ginrai!|MF ep 10}}

Ginrai was at first unsure of what to make of his new powers, and was not entirely keen on joining the Autobots, as the notion of operating as part of a command structure, and being tied down to a specific place ran directly counter to his desire for freedom in his life. Although he promised to aid them when necessary "for the sake of the world" - a mantra that he admitted he had a weakness for - he soon bore witness to the true evil of the Decepticons when Hydra and Buster killed several of his fellow truckers while searching for him. Ginrai was still, however, not entirely willing to join the Autobots, but fate kept on pushing him to do so - he soon suffered a prophetic dream, after which he discovered three more pairs of Master-Braces in his Transtector, indicating the presence of more Godmasters on Earth.

When Ginrai brought the bracelets to Japan for study at the Autobot base, events began to escalate as Transtector activated on its own, transporting Ginrai to his birthplace of Nagano, or more specifically, a construction site at the base of Mount Yatsugatake there. Blasting for a tunnel through the mountain had been blocked by a mysterious object, which proved to be a trailer for Ginrai's truck, which burst from the tunnel during another battle with [[Hydra and Buster|Buster and Hydra]]. Later still, the two brothers lured Ginrai into a public battle that they might blame the conflict on him, and turn public opinion against the Autobots; the plan was failed, but a friend of Ginrai's offered the suggestion that his becoming a Godmaster was the will of God himself.

[[Image:180px-Super ginrai.jpg|thumb|left|A bird? A Plane? No, it's Super Ginrai.]]Not long thereafter, in a battle with [[King Poseidon]], Ginrai discovered that his cab and trailer were capable of performing a "Double On," merging together to create the super-robot, "Super Ginrai." Additionally, after appearing on TV in hopes of locating the remaining three Godmasters, to whom he would give the Master-Braces, Ginrai successfully located Lightfoot, Ranger and Road King, and recruited them to the Autobot side. With this success, the Autobot leader [[Metalhawk]] stepped down as commander and requested that Ginrai take his place. After some deliberation, and much hassling from the other Autobot Pretenders, who wouldn't let him say no, Ginrai accepted.

[[Image:God_ginrai.jpg|thumb|right|Ginrai, when somebody asks you if you're a God, you say YES!]]

When [[Grand Maximus]] arrived on Earth to inform Ginrai's Autobots of the impending arrival of the Decepticon super-weapon, [[Scorponok (G1)|BlackZarak]], he provided them with the schematics necessary to create the drone, [[Godbomber]]. Metalhawk and the Pretenders raced to finish the construction of Godbomber, but as the so-called "Bomber Project" neared completion, Ginrai was lured into the desert by a disguised Buster and Hydra (under the auspices of performing some stunt driving for a movie), and was attacked and resoundingly defeated by the Decepticon Ambassador of Destruction, [[Overlord]]. Following a failed attack on the Bomber Project facility, the barely-healed Ginrai insisted upon taking the fight to the Decepticons, combining with the completed Godbomber to form "God Ginrai." In his new form, Ginrai confroned Overlord and BlackZarak on the moon, where he fully embraced his role as protector of Earth, and defeated the Decepticons with the aid of Grand Maximus.

Some time later, BlackZarak was able to return to Earth and merge with Devil Z, forcing the Autobots into a series of battle to protect countries all around the Earth. Tracking the villains to the Matterhorn, God Ginrai was forced into a final battle with the hybrid entity atop the mountain and succeeded in decapitating the villain, but BlackZarak then assumed a new hydra alternate mode, which God Ginrai destroyed with his God Fire Guts attack. His powers boosted by the [[Headmaster Junior]]s God Ginrai then executed the almighty Final Fire Guts attack, destroying Devil Z.

With Devil Z's death, the bonding between Transtector and human that he had engineered ceased to exist, and Ginrai and the other humans were separated from their Transtectors. The Transtectors, however, had been evolved through their partnership with the humans, and continued to exist as true super-robot life forms. Having imprinted his human partner's personality, Ginrai's Transtector departed for space to pursue the surviving Decepticons and rejoin the greater war.

===''Masterforce'' manga===

The ''Masterforce'' manga forgoes re-telling Ginrai's origins, simply indicating that he exists, then introducing him in the midst of a battle with Buster and Hydra. Similarly, the other Autobot Godmasters are introduced in such a manner, although here, their creation comes ''before'' Ginrai's acquisition of his trailer, and they present it to him at an opportune moment. The most notable moment for Ginrai in the manga comes when he and the Autobots are taken to the planet [[Athenia]] by the [[Trainbot]]s, and Ginrai succeeds [[Fortress Maximus|Fortress]] as [[Supreme Commander]] of the Autobots, a rank there is no indication he attains in the anime.

===''Victory'' animated series===

The Ginrai Transtector - now having taken its human partner's name as its own, becoming known as Ginrai itself - joined with the Autobot forces in space, where he became good friends with [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]] and his adopted human son, [[Jan Minakaze]]. Before long, Star Saber was appointed Supreme Commander of the Autobots, while Ginrai became commander of the Defense Force for Space Sector Two. Operating out of a base in the G Nebula, Ginrai's time was occupied battling the Decepticon forces under Overlord's control, so much so that Star Saber occasionally had to respond to emergencies in Sector Two, such as a [[Breastforce]] attack on planet [[Micro]].

Feeling guilty over taking up Star Saber's time in such a manner, Ginrai was quick to come to his aid when he was lured into a trap on Earth by Decepticon [[Emperor of Destruction]] [[Deathsaurus]]. Confronting Deathsaurus in battle, Ginrai was struck by a blast from the villain's Living-Metal-Destroying Cannon and badly damaged. Despite the best medical efforts of [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]], [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]], and [[Minerva]] Ginrai's body was left useless and immobile. Due to a slip by Perceptor, however, he learned of the existence of a reconstruction process conceived by Star Saber that would allow him to become a power-up for the Autobot leader. Star Saber refused to allow him to submit to the process, revolted at the notion of using his close friend's body in such a way, but Ginrai insisted. Perceptor and Wheeljack brought his life functions to an end, and then restored him to Star Saber's specifications as [[Victory Leo]].

==Toys==

===Generation 1===

*'''Super Ginrai''' (1988)

:''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-307'''

:A remoulded version of the American Powermaster Optimus Prime figure, Ginrai is a red, blue and grey tractor trailer, only able to transform into robot mode when the small Ginrai human figure is put into engine mode and snapped into place in the truck's grill, unlocking the clasp that holds the legs in place. When the cab is in robot mode, the trailer can become a battle station; either robot or station can be armed with any of the toy's weapons, including two black guns and two grey double-barrelled "cannon craft," which can be piloted by the small Godmaster figures. The two components can be merged into "Super Ginrai", whose head is a separate piece, and could go on to combine with the separately-sold Godbomber to become God Ginrai.

:Differences between Powermaster Optimus Prime and Ginrai include a die-cast metal cab with translucent blue plastic windows, shortened smokestacks, a more metallic grey plastic, chrome on the Godmaster Ginrai engine, and silver paint rather than stickers for the small robot's upper legs. Only in the reissue are there blue eyes for the small Ginrai robot.

*'''God Ginrai''' (1988)

:''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-310'''

:Super Ginrai was also sold in a giftset with Godbomber, who could disassemble his parts and combine with Super Ginrai to form God Ginrai. Godbomber's legs became boots, to which the Ginrai's grey cannons attached, his chest and wings formed a backpack, while his arms clipped over the top of Ginrai's own, and his back became a chromed chestplate, to the top of which the his spring-loaded "God Cannon" plugged.

*'''God Ginrai (reissue)''' (2002)

:The God Ginrai giftset was reissued in Japan in 2002 with blue eyes for the small Ginrai robot and a slighty different shade of red paint on the cab. It was, however, notoriously over-produced, and retailers were still selling it some time later at greatly reduced prices.

*'''Fire Guts God Ginrai''' (eHobby exclusive, 2002)

:Released to coincide with the 2002 reissue, this redeco of the God Ginrai gifset cast the Autobot leader in reds and oranges, representing Ginrai using his "God Fire Guts" attack from the animated series. It was limited to 1600 pieces.

==Trivia==
* The human Ginrai's appearance is designed after screen actor Ishihara Yūjirō.

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2007-04-03T01:00:59Z

85.195.123.24: New page: So wait, weren't there two Omega Primes in Universe, the one from the Jailbreak, and the one that was summoned by Primus/Alpha Trion(I forgot which) in the last panel of Universe #3? ~~~

So wait, weren't there two Omega Primes in Universe, the one from the Jailbreak, and the one that was summoned by Primus/Alpha Trion(I forgot which) in the last panel of Universe #3? [[User:85.195.123.24|85.195.123.24]]<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Grand Maximus

2007-04-02T00:53:42Z

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:''Grand Maximus is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

'''Grand Maximus''' is the brother of [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] who participated in the [[Masterforce]] conflict. Much like his brother, Grand Maximus was actually composed soley of his smallest component, '''Gran''' while his [[Transecter]] '''Grand''' functioned as a Mech to boost his strength to that of a normal Transformer. Grand also possesed the abilty to don a [[Pretender Shell]] in order to disguise himself as a [[human]]. Grand's final and most impressive Transformation is his mighty battleship, which like his brother's transforms into a body of immense statue while Grand himself transforms into it's head.

==Fiction==
===Masterforce anime===

===Masterforce manga===
===Zone OAV===
Metalhawk was seen among other High-ranking Autobots (such as [Landcross]] [[Road Caesar]], [[Landcross]], [[Metalhawk]], [[Lander]], and the Autobot [[Godmaster|Godmasters]]) when [[Dai Atlas]] is sworn-in by [[Star Saber (G1)|Victory Saber]] as the new [[Supreme Commander]] of the Autobot forces.

==External links==
[http://www.tfu.info/1988/Cybertron/GrandMaximus/grandmaximus.htm Grand Maximus] at TFU.info

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Fortress Maximus (G1)

2007-04-02T00:53:20Z

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{{Template:Disambig2|the Headmaster Commander from Generation 1|
the hidden guardian in ''Robots in Disguise''|Fortress Maximus (RID)}}

:''Fortress Maximus is an [[Autobot]] [[Headmaster]] in the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:FortMax1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Link called. He wants the Master Sword back.]]

''('''Note''': '''Fortress Maximus''' is one of those fun characters whose American and Japanese incarnations were very different. See individual fiction entries below for continuity specific profiles.)''

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
During the long absence of [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], and their respective troops from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], unit commander Fortress Maximus became so sick of the war that he decided to leave it. He didn't care if it made him a coward or not, he simply believed that the war would go on regardless of whether or not he was in it. Taking a number of Autobots with him, he retreated to the peaceful planet of [[Nebulos]].

[[Image:Fortmaxgiveshead.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Dibs on the off-color jokes!]]

Unfortunately, it wasn't long before mistakes were made and Maximus' group found themselves at odds with the local [[human]] populace. Maximus 'proved' their peaceful intentions by marching up to the Nebulan capital, and discarding the group's weapons. When that didn't work, he did the next logical thing and pulled his head off. Four other Autobots also resorted to this grotesque stunt before [[Galen]], head of the Nebulan [[World Watchers]], was convinced they weren't a threat. {{storylink|Ring of Hate!}}

When the Decepticons followed the Autobots to Nebulos, Galen himself ended up becoming the head of Fortress Maximus to help defend the peace and his world, as both the Nebulan and Autobot underwent the [[binary-bonding]] process to become a [[Headmaster]]. Fortress Maximus remained the leader of the Nebulan Autobots for the rest of their battles there, eventually abandoning the planet to support his stranded comrades on Earth. During the transport, Fortress Maximus underwent a number of treatments to alter his size considerably, increasing himself from a city-sized behemoth to a slightly ''larger'' city-sized behemoth. With these changes, he could save a lot of time in combat by simply stepping on Decepticons instead of having to actually fight them.

Of course, with his larger scale, Fort Max needed a new head (Galen still being stuck at roughly human-size). For this reason, another Autobot, [[Cerebros (G1)|Cerebros]], was added to serve as a secondary stage between Galen and Maximus. As the head of Cerebros, Galen could transform Cerebros into the larger head of Fortress Maximus.

Sadly, while fighting to rescue [[Buster Witwicky|Buster Witwicky's]] previously-unmentioned older brother [[Spike Witwicky|Spike]], Galen was killed in battle. Spike quickly took up the mantle of Fortress Maximus, undergoing the binary bond himself and soon becoming one of the unofficial leaders of the Autobots ([[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] being the other and [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] being dead at the time).

[[Image:Fortmaxboat.jpg|left|250px|thumb|This is only the second of two times you see his battlestation mode, so don't blink.]]
Spike and Fortress Maximus would go on to have a very tumultuous relationship, fighting both the Decepticons and, at times, each other, as Spike constantly expressed his displeasure at being the large Autobot's partner. On more than one occasion, Spike would try to go his own way, but time and time again the Decepticons would pose some sort of threat to the planet so immense that he would have to join with Fortress Maximus to combat it.

After the other Autobots and Decepticons left Earth to battle Unicron, Spike and Fort Max remained on Earth to safeguard the planet. Thus, when the remains of the [[Ark]] fell from orbit and crashed in the northern tundra of Canada, and [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] emerged from the wreckage to wreak havoc, it fell to Fortress Maximus to stop him. Despite his success in that mission, it was actually [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] who would prove to be the undoing of this giant warrior: when the reborn and reconditioned Decepticon leader stole the Ark and used it as his personal flagship, Spike and Max took it upon themselves to stop him. Brutally beaten in combat with an upgraded and super-charged Megatron, the pair dragged themselves to the heart of the ship and threw themselves into the anti-matter containment unit at the core of its power supply, killing both of them. To add further insult to their sacrifice, it was a complete waste of effort: every other Transformer who was on board, including Megatron, managed to survive the destruction of the ship and lived to fight another day.

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===Animated continuity===
===="Rebirth" miniseries (America)====
:''Voice Actor:'' [[Stephen Keener]]

[[Image:Fortressmaximusg1rebirth.jpg|left|thumb|175px|Not surprisingly, Fort Max is a bottom.]]

{{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 3}}When the [[Hive]] of [[Nebulos]] had developed the massive [[Transformer]] [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] in 2007, Spike found that his only available resources to combat the threat were the Hive's older technology and the pacifist Autobot Cerebros. Spike used the technology to create an Autobot giant, at the same time re-engineering Cerebros to become the new robot's head, and to take Spike himself as his own head (Cerebros seemed to get little say in these matters). The giant, named Fortress Maximus, blasted off for Cybertron, where he expectedly fought (and won) against Scorponok. After Maximus/Cerebros and Spike saved Cybertron and [[Earth]] from the Hive and the Decepticons, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] sent them back to Nebulos as its guardians.

Fortress Maximus seemed to have no sentience of his own in the English TV series. In fact, for the most part, even Cerebros' will seemed to be pushed aside so Spike could run the whole thing himself. Spike's a bit selfish.

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====''Headmasters'' (Japan)====
:''Voice Actor:'' [[Ikuya Sawaki]]

In this story, Headmasters were not the binary-bonded forms of Transformers and organic beings. Instead, human-sized Transformers had long ago left [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] and established themselves on the planet [[Master]]. To best survive there, they built large bodies that they could transform to become the heads of. The leader of the Autobot faction on Master was named Fortress. Fortress took the Headmaster process one step further: Fortress Maximus was the combined and transformed form of Fortress and the Battleship ''Maximus''. Fortress would sometimes run the battleship while sitting on the bridge transformed into a giant head.

====''Super-God Masterforce'' (Japan)====
Fortress was seen briefly and indistinctly as he introduced his brother, [[Grand Maximus]].

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===Dreamwave comics continuity===
Maximus was first seen in a [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]-induced vision of future [[Nebulos]] by Optimus Prime in the ''[[The War Within|War Within]]'' era.

Later in the same era, Fortress Maximus and Ultra Magnus were struggling to hold the Autobot forces on Cybertron together.

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Fortress Maximus''' (Headmaster Base, 1987)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-114'''

: The largest Transformers toy from [[Generation 1]], Fortress Maximus has multiple altmode configurations. He transforms into a compact "city" mode, and can also assume a secondary mode described in the US instruction as a "battle station." This mode was rebranded as a starship for the Japanese instructions, and is the "default" mode for Fort Max in the ''Headmasters'' animated series. Additionally, the 1987 Hasbro toy catalog features a mis-transformed Fortress Maximus in a mode referred to as an "impenetable fortress," essentially consisting of his city mode with the legs splayed outwards.

: In all modes, Maximus has a wide array of pop-out (non-firing) guns and gimmicks. Its left leg hides a small prison cell, plus has a swing-out cannon/helipad. Its right leg has a small storage compartment. Its torso has a gear-activated spinner for the detachable radar array accessory, a "control socket" for [[Cerebros (G1)|Cerebros]]' "communcations tower" mode, and a working elevator that can lift small toys up to its central ramp to be launched in its altmodes. (The crank for this elevator ends up in a very unfortunate position in robot mode.) Each arm had a long ramp on the back with sliding launchers for small vehicles.

: Its robot-mode head is formed by Cerebros, who does not actually need Spike to attach to the upper body. It came with both Headmaster units, plus the Gasket and Grommet mini-vehicles.

: The Japanese release of Fortress Maximus came with a pair of swords; one for Fortress, a ''large'' one for Maximus. It is currently unknown if the swords were originally planned for the [[Hasbro]] version but dropped for price or [[for safety reasons|safety concerns]], or if they were a [[Takara]]-initiated addition to their release of the toy.

: This mold was used to make ''[[Masterforce (franchise)|Masterforce]]'' [[Grand Maximus]], ''[[Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Fortress Maximus (RID)|Brave Maximus]], and ''[[Robot Masters]]''' "[[Cybertron City]]".

* '''Fortress Maximus''' (TF Jr, 1987)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-114'''

: A smaller rendering of the character, scaled down to regular Transformer size, and with only one head. This toy lacks the city mode.

===Merchandise===
* Fortress Maximus was a larger "build-a-bot" from the third "Act" of the [[Super Collection Figure]] PVC line; one piece of it was packaged in each of the six clear pieces in a case of twelve. Like the regular PVCs, it was available both in full-color or colorless-clear versions.

* The Fort Max PVC was revisited for [[Hasbro]]'s [[Heroes of Cybertron]] line, again as a pack-in, one part in each of the six releases of wave four. This version was cast entirely in clear-blue plastic then painted over, save a small spot on his head to give his a "light-pipe" glowing-eyes effect.
:* Torso : [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]]
:* Head & sword: [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]]
:* Left arm: [[Powermaster]] [[Overlord|Gigatron]]
:* Right arm: [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]]
:* Left leg: [[Jazz|Autobot Jazz]]
:* Right leg : Autobot Espionage Team ([[Bumblebee]] & Spike)

==Trivia==
* 'Fortress Maximus' was likely a considered name for the character that eventually became [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] in [[Generation 1]]. The [[Marvel]] comic adaptation of the [[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|1986 Movie]] even refers to [[Autobot City]] as ''Fortress Maximus'' in a caption.

* Fortress Maximus was the first toy to be released with a bona-fide Earthling figure. All of the other Headmasters' companions were from Nebulos. (Although Maximus' tech specs refer to 'the Nebulan leader, Spike', the general consensus is that it was supposed to be the popular figure from TV and other media, who is almost certainly an Earthling.)

* In the comic series, Fortress Maximus was originally small enough that a human alone could become his head. Later, he was increased in size so that the Cerebros robot was needed to complete the transformation. Yet, when Spike prepares to join with him for their final battle, there is no sign of Cerebros and Fort Max is shown to be no larger than Megatron. Was he reduced back to his original, smaller, size? If so, when? And why would they bother to shrink a headless corpse, let alone re-work Spike's armour so that he no longer needed Cerebros? He had been retired for years by that point.

* Fortress Maximus has the distinction of having one of the most well known Transformers [[knockoff|bootleg]] versions in existence. While Cerebros has been omitted, the Spike figure is the same, and the body has been scaled down to match, effectively making the body compatible with any other Headmaster head. It also fetches absurd prices for a bootleg.

* In America, Fortress Maximus is seven distinct flavors of awesome, while in Japan he is only 3 kinds of awesome.

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1987/Autobot/FortressMaximus/fortressmaximus.htm Fortress Maximus at TFU.info]

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Fortress Maximus (G1)

2007-04-02T00:46:59Z

85.195.123.24:

{{Template:Disambig2|the Headmaster Commander from Generation 1|
the hidden guardian in ''Robots in Disguise''|Fortress Maximus (RID)}}

:''Fortress Maximus is an [[Autobot]] [[Headmaster]] in the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:FortMax1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Link called. He wants the Master Sword back.]]

''('''Note''': '''Chromedome''' is one of those fun characters whose American and Japanese incarnations were very different. See individual fiction entries below for continuity specific profiles.)''

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
During the long absence of [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], and their respective troops from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], unit commander Fortress Maximus became so sick of the war that he decided to leave it. He didn't care if it made him a coward or not, he simply believed that the war would go on regardless of whether or not he was in it. Taking a number of Autobots with him, he retreated to the peaceful planet of [[Nebulos]].

[[Image:Fortmaxgiveshead.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Dibs on the off-color jokes!]]

Unfortunately, it wasn't long before mistakes were made and Maximus' group found themselves at odds with the local [[human]] populace. Maximus 'proved' their peaceful intentions by marching up to the Nebulan capital, and discarding the group's weapons. When that didn't work, he did the next logical thing and pulled his head off. Four other Autobots also resorted to this grotesque stunt before [[Galen]], head of the Nebulan [[World Watchers]], was convinced they weren't a threat. {{storylink|Ring of Hate!}}

When the Decepticons followed the Autobots to Nebulos, Galen himself ended up becoming the head of Fortress Maximus to help defend the peace and his world, as both the Nebulan and Autobot underwent the [[binary-bonding]] process to become a [[Headmaster]]. Fortress Maximus remained the leader of the Nebulan Autobots for the rest of their battles there, eventually abandoning the planet to support his stranded comrades on Earth. During the transport, Fortress Maximus underwent a number of treatments to alter his size considerably, increasing himself from a city-sized behemoth to a slightly ''larger'' city-sized behemoth. With these changes, he could save a lot of time in combat by simply stepping on Decepticons instead of having to actually fight them.

Of course, with his larger scale, Fort Max needed a new head (Galen still being stuck at roughly human-size). For this reason, another Autobot, [[Cerebros (G1)|Cerebros]], was added to serve as a secondary stage between Galen and Maximus. As the head of Cerebros, Galen could transform Cerebros into the larger head of Fortress Maximus.

Sadly, while fighting to rescue [[Buster Witwicky|Buster Witwicky's]] previously-unmentioned older brother [[Spike Witwicky|Spike]], Galen was killed in battle. Spike quickly took up the mantle of Fortress Maximus, undergoing the binary bond himself and soon becoming one of the unofficial leaders of the Autobots ([[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] being the other and [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] being dead at the time).

[[Image:Fortmaxboat.jpg|left|250px|thumb|This is only the second of two times you see his battlestation mode, so don't blink.]]
Spike and Fortress Maximus would go on to have a very tumultuous relationship, fighting both the Decepticons and, at times, each other, as Spike constantly expressed his displeasure at being the large Autobot's partner. On more than one occasion, Spike would try to go his own way, but time and time again the Decepticons would pose some sort of threat to the planet so immense that he would have to join with Fortress Maximus to combat it.

After the other Autobots and Decepticons left Earth to battle Unicron, Spike and Fort Max remained on Earth to safeguard the planet. Thus, when the remains of the [[Ark]] fell from orbit and crashed in the northern tundra of Canada, and [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] emerged from the wreckage to wreak havoc, it fell to Fortress Maximus to stop him. Despite his success in that mission, it was actually [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] who would prove to be the undoing of this giant warrior: when the reborn and reconditioned Decepticon leader stole the Ark and used it as his personal flagship, Spike and Max took it upon themselves to stop him. Brutally beaten in combat with an upgraded and super-charged Megatron, the pair dragged themselves to the heart of the ship and threw themselves into the anti-matter containment unit at the core of its power supply, killing both of them. To add further insult to their sacrifice, it was a complete waste of effort: every other Transformer who was on board, including Megatron, managed to survive the destruction of the ship and lived to fight another day.

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===Animated continuity===
===="Rebirth" miniseries (America)====
:''Voice Actor:'' [[Stephen Keener]]

[[Image:Fortressmaximusg1rebirth.jpg|left|thumb|175px|Not surprisingly, Fort Max is a bottom.]]

{{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 3}}When the [[Hive]] of [[Nebulos]] had developed the massive [[Transformer]] [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] in 2007, Spike found that his only available resources to combat the threat were the Hive's older technology and the pacifist Autobot Cerebros. Spike used the technology to create an Autobot giant, at the same time re-engineering Cerebros to become the new robot's head, and to take Spike himself as his own head (Cerebros seemed to get little say in these matters). The giant, named Fortress Maximus, blasted off for Cybertron, where he expectedly fought (and won) against Scorponok. After Maximus/Cerebros and Spike saved Cybertron and [[Earth]] from the Hive and the Decepticons, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] sent them back to Nebulos as its guardians.

Fortress Maximus seemed to have no sentience of his own in the English TV series. In fact, for the most part, even Cerebros' will seemed to be pushed aside so Spike could run the whole thing himself. Spike's a bit selfish.

{{-}}
====''Headmasters'' (Japan)====
:''Voice Actor:'' [[Ikuya Sawaki]]

In this story, Headmasters were not the binary-bonded forms of Transformers and organic beings. Instead, human-sized Transformers had long ago left [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] and established themselves on the planet [[Master]]. To best survive there, they built large bodies that they could transform to become the heads of. The leader of the Autobot faction on Master was named Fortress. Fortress took the Headmaster process one step further: Fortress Maximus was the combined and transformed form of Fortress and the Battleship ''Maximus''. Fortress would sometimes run the battleship while sitting on the bridge transformed into a giant head.

====''Super-God Masterforce'' (Japan)====
Fortress was seen briefly and indistinctly as he introduced his brother, [[Grand Maximus]].

----

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
Maximus was first seen in a [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]-induced vision of future [[Nebulos]] by Optimus Prime in the ''[[The War Within|War Within]]'' era.

Later in the same era, Fortress Maximus and Ultra Magnus were struggling to hold the Autobot forces on Cybertron together.

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Fortress Maximus''' (Headmaster Base, 1987)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-114'''

: The largest Transformers toy from [[Generation 1]], Fortress Maximus has multiple altmode configurations. He transforms into a compact "city" mode, and can also assume a secondary mode described in the US instruction as a "battle station." This mode was rebranded as a starship for the Japanese instructions, and is the "default" mode for Fort Max in the ''Headmasters'' animated series. Additionally, the 1987 Hasbro toy catalog features a mis-transformed Fortress Maximus in a mode referred to as an "impenetable fortress," essentially consisting of his city mode with the legs splayed outwards.

: In all modes, Maximus has a wide array of pop-out (non-firing) guns and gimmicks. Its left leg hides a small prison cell, plus has a swing-out cannon/helipad. Its right leg has a small storage compartment. Its torso has a gear-activated spinner for the detachable radar array accessory, a "control socket" for [[Cerebros (G1)|Cerebros]]' "communcations tower" mode, and a working elevator that can lift small toys up to its central ramp to be launched in its altmodes. (The crank for this elevator ends up in a very unfortunate position in robot mode.) Each arm had a long ramp on the back with sliding launchers for small vehicles.

: Its robot-mode head is formed by Cerebros, who does not actually need Spike to attach to the upper body. It came with both Headmaster units, plus the Gasket and Grommet mini-vehicles.

: The Japanese release of Fortress Maximus came with a pair of swords; one for Fortress, a ''large'' one for Maximus. It is currently unknown if the swords were originally planned for the [[Hasbro]] version but dropped for price or [[for safety reasons|safety concerns]], or if they were a [[Takara]]-initiated addition to their release of the toy.

: This mold was used to make ''[[Masterforce (franchise)|Masterforce]]'' [[Grand Maximus]], ''[[Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Fortress Maximus (RID)|Brave Maximus]], and ''[[Robot Masters]]''' "[[Cybertron City]]".

* '''Fortress Maximus''' (TF Jr, 1987)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-114'''

: A smaller rendering of the character, scaled down to regular Transformer size, and with only one head. This toy lacks the city mode.

===Merchandise===
* Fortress Maximus was a larger "build-a-bot" from the third "Act" of the [[Super Collection Figure]] PVC line; one piece of it was packaged in each of the six clear pieces in a case of twelve. Like the regular PVCs, it was available both in full-color or colorless-clear versions.

* The Fort Max PVC was revisited for [[Hasbro]]'s [[Heroes of Cybertron]] line, again as a pack-in, one part in each of the six releases of wave four. This version was cast entirely in clear-blue plastic then painted over, save a small spot on his head to give his a "light-pipe" glowing-eyes effect.
:* Torso : [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]]
:* Head & sword: [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]]
:* Left arm: [[Powermaster]] [[Overlord|Gigatron]]
:* Right arm: [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]]
:* Left leg: [[Jazz|Autobot Jazz]]
:* Right leg : Autobot Espionage Team ([[Bumblebee]] & Spike)

==Trivia==
* 'Fortress Maximus' was likely a considered name for the character that eventually became [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] in [[Generation 1]]. The [[Marvel]] comic adaptation of the [[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|1986 Movie]] even refers to [[Autobot City]] as ''Fortress Maximus'' in a caption.

* Fortress Maximus was the first toy to be released with a bona-fide Earthling figure. All of the other Headmasters' companions were from Nebulos. (Although Maximus' tech specs refer to 'the Nebulan leader, Spike', the general consensus is that it was supposed to be the popular figure from TV and other media, who is almost certainly an Earthling.)

* In the comic series, Fortress Maximus was originally small enough that a human alone could become his head. Later, he was increased in size so that the Cerebros robot was needed to complete the transformation. Yet, when Spike prepares to join with him for their final battle, there is no sign of Cerebros and Fort Max is shown to be no larger than Megatron. Was he reduced back to his original, smaller, size? If so, when? And why would they bother to shrink a headless corpse, let alone re-work Spike's armour so that he no longer needed Cerebros? He had been retired for years by that point.

* Fortress Maximus has the distinction of having one of the most well known Transformers [[knockoff|bootleg]] versions in existence. While Cerebros has been omitted, the Spike figure is the same, and the body has been scaled down to match, effectively making the body compatible with any other Headmaster head. It also fetches absurd prices for a bootleg.

* In America, Fortress Maximus is seven distinct flavors of awesome, while in Japan he is only 3 kinds of awesome.

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1987/Autobot/FortressMaximus/fortressmaximus.htm Fortress Maximus at TFU.info]

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Grand Maximus

2007-04-02T00:37:51Z

85.195.123.24: /* Zone OAV */

:''Grand Maximus is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

'''Grand Maximus''' is the brother of [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] who participated in the [[Masterforce]] conflict. Grand Maximus' equivolent of [[Cerebros]], [[Grand]], came equipped with its own [[Pretender]] shell.

==Fiction==
===Masterforce anime===

===Masterforce manga===
===Zone OAV===
Metalhawk was seen among other High-ranking Autobots (such as [Landcross]] [[Road Caesar]], [[Landcross]], [[Metalhawk]], [[Lander]], and the Autobot [[Godmaster|Godmasters]]) when [[Dai Atlas]] is sworn-in by [[Star Saber (G1)|Victory Saber]] as the new [[Supreme Commander]] of the Autobot forces.

==External links==
[http://www.tfu.info/1988/Cybertron/GrandMaximus/grandmaximus.htm Grand Maximus] at TFU.info

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[[Category:Masterforce characters]]
[[Category:Autobots]]
[[Category:Headmasters]]
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Lander

2007-04-02T00:37:30Z

85.195.123.24: /* Masterforce manga */

:''Lander is an [[Autobot]] [[Pretender]] in the [[Masterforce]] portion of [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Lander shell.jpg|thumb|300px|[[Chip Chase]] finally gets bionic legs.]]

An Autobot [[Pretender]] under the command of [[Metalhawk]], '''Lander''' has easily adapted to the human lifestyle, and greatly enjoys it. He collects wine, goes on dates with humans, and wears glasses just for the hell of it. What a guy!

In vehicle mode, he can travel over water and land with ease. In robot mode his right hand retracts to release knockout gas. Hmm.

You'd better be careful, ladies.

==Fiction==
===Masterforce cartoon===
''Voice actor:'' [[Ryoichi Tanaka]] (Japan)

[[Image:Lander vehicle.jpg|thumb|150px|This looks cool, but I owned the toy, it's not.]]

He loves cosplaying as a human!

===Masterforce manga===
===Zone OAV===
Metalhawk was seen among other High-ranking Autobots (such as [[Landcross]], [[Road Caesar]], [[Landcross]], [[Grand Maximus]], [[Masterforce]], and the Autobot [[Godmaster|Godmasters]]) when [[Dai Atlas]] is sworn-in by [[Star Saber (G1)|Victory Saber]] as the new [[Supreme Commander]] of the Autobot forces.

{{-}}

==Toys==
===Masterforce===
* '''Lander''' (Pretender, 1988)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-200'''

[[image:G1Landmine_toy.jpg|thumb|left|]]

: Available only as a mail-away piece in Japan, Lander is physically identical to the [[Hasbro]] Pretender [[Landmine (G1)|Landmine]]. Lander's outer Pretender shell resembles a human in a yellow and gray armoured space suit (but lacks the glasses of the animation model, pooh), armed with a gray sword and a gray blaster rifle. The shell's helmet and front-half of the belt are also removable, used to help "lock" the shell-halves together. This shell has very limited articulation, located in his shoulders.

Lander's inner robot has good articulation for the period he was released in, owing to his relatively simple transformation and design. The robot transforms into a predominantly gray Cybertronic mining vehicle. The gray rifle can be stored on the top of this mode.

==Trivia==
[[Image:ArmadaCameos-RedRoom.jpg|thumb|right|Secretarymine]]

* Lander's animation model shows up in the ''[[Armada]]'' cartoon as a "generic", unnamed Cybertron. He is seen carrying a "clipboard" of some kind and reacting to the [[Mini-Con]] beacon. He's also the only one in that shot seen clearly, the other three ([[Streetwise (G1)|Streetwise]], [[Wide Load (G1)|Wide Load]] and [[Sixknight]]) all being seen only from the back and largely obscured. {{storylink|First Encounter}}

==External links==
* [http://tfu.info/1988/Autobot/Landmine/landmine.htm Lander (well, Landmine) at TFU.info]

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Grand Maximus

2007-04-02T00:35:26Z

85.195.123.24: /* Masterforce manga */

:''Grand Maximus is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

'''Grand Maximus''' is the brother of [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] who participated in the [[Masterforce]] conflict. Grand Maximus' equivolent of [[Cerebros]], [[Grand]], came equipped with its own [[Pretender]] shell.

==Fiction==
===Masterforce anime===

===Masterforce manga===
===Zone OAV===
Metalhawk was seen among other High-ranking Autobots (such as [[Road Caesar]], [[Landcross]], [[Grand Maximus]], [[Lander]], and the Autobot [[Godmaster|Godmasters]]) when [[Dai Atlas]] is sworn-in by [[Star Saber (G1)|Victory Saber]] as the new [[Supreme Commander]] of the Autobot forces.

==External links==
[http://www.tfu.info/1988/Cybertron/GrandMaximus/grandmaximus.htm Grand Maximus] at TFU.info

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[[Category:Autobots]]
[[Category:Headmasters]]
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Landcross (G1)

2007-04-02T00:34:21Z

85.195.123.24: /* ''Victory'' manga */

:''Landcross is an [[Autobot]] [[combiner]] in the [[Victory]] and [[Micromaster Collection]] portions of the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

'''Landcross''' is the combined form of all three [[Multiforce]] warriors, making him the combined form of all six Multiforce warriors.

Landcross is comprised of:
*[[Wingwaver]] (the combined form of [[Wing]] and [[Waver]])
*[[Dashtacker]] (the combined form of [[Dash]] and [[Tacker]])
*[[Machtackle]] (the combined form of [[Mach]] and [[Tackle]])

==Fiction==
===''Victory'' anime===
:''Voice actor: [[Masashi Hironaka]] (Japan)''

===''Victory'' manga===
===Zone OAV===
Metalhawk was seen among other High-ranking Autobots (such as [[Road Caesar]], [[Grand Maximus]], [[Metalhawk]], [[Lander]], and the Autobot [[Godmaster|Godmasters]]) when [[Dai Atlas]] is sworn-in by [[Star Saber (G1)|Victory Saber]] as the new [[Supreme Commander]] of the Autobot forces.

===Micromaster Collection===
After falling through a dimensional rift while testing their new stealth modes, the Multiforce combined into Landcross to fight [[Sixwing|Berserker Sixwing]]. They kicked his butt.

==Toys==
===Victory===
*'''Landcross''' (1989)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-319'''
:The original version of Landcross was available both as a giftset and separately as Wingwaver, Dashtaker, and Machtackle, although the individual robots were never sold separately. In addition to transforming separately into robot and vehicle modes and combining into Landcross, the six toys could also be combined in two-robot pairs, with one robot forming the head, upper torso, and arms and the other forming the lower torso and legs. The six robots' guns could be combined into a single large weapon.

===Micromaster Collection===
* '''Landcross''' (Micromaster, 2002)
:In 2004, the entire Multiforce was re-released as part of the Micromaster Collection (despite having never previously been considered Micromasters), in individual boxes with a number visible to show which mold was inside each box. For this release, all of the decals from the original version were replaced with paint applications. Landcross could only be assembled by buying all six components individually; he was never offered as a complete set.

:In every case of twelve Multiforce "Micromasters," two of them were solid-black-plastic "stealth mode" variations. All six toys were available in this manner, and could be combined into a black "stealth mode" Landcross.

==Trivia==
*While the relationship between the ''Micromaster Collection'' versions of [[Sixliner]], [[Sixturbo]], Sixwing, [[Sixbuilder]], and [[Sixtrain]] and their counterparts in ''[[Operation Combination]]'' (or ''[[Battlestars]]'' in the case of Sixliner) is unclear, the ''Micromaster Collection'' Multiforce are explicitly the same as the ''Victory'' Multiforce, and thus the ''Micromaster Collection'' Landcross is the same character as the ''Victory'' Landcross.
*Oddly enough, only half of ''Land''cross's components transform into land vehicles.

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Cybertron/Landcross/landcross.htm Landcross at TFU.info]

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Metalhawk (G1)

2007-04-02T00:32:17Z

85.195.123.24: /* ''Masterforce'' manga */

:''Metalhawk is the leader of the [[Autobot]] [[Pretender]]s and the Junior Headmasters in the [[Masterforce]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Metalhawk robot.jpg|thumb|250px|Buns of die-cast]]

'''Metalhawk''' is armed with the Titanium Saber, which can deflect lasers with its flat planes. Also possesses knock out gas and a rifle.

His human form is referred to as Hawk, though the Junior Headmasters refer to him as Hawk San (San is a respectful term for an elder). When in human form, he is seen wearing a business suit. Is given to shout 'Suit On' when he requires his Pretender Shell and to shout 'Pretender' when he wishes to attain robot form.

==Fiction==
===''Masterforce'' cartoon===
''Voice actor:'' [[Katsuji Mori]] (Japan)

[[Image:Metalhawk jet.jpg|thumb|250px|Highway to the Danger Zone...]]

===''Masterforce'' manga===
===Zone OAV===
Metalhawk was seen among other High-ranking Autobots (such as [[Road Caesar]], [[Landcross]], [[Grand Maximus]], [[Lander]], and the Autobot [[Godmaster|Godmasters]]) when [[Dai Atlas]] is sworn-in by [[Star Saber (G1)|Victory Saber]] as the new [[Supreme Commander]] of the Autobot forces.

==Toys==

[[Category: Autobots]]
[[Category: Pretenders]]
[[Category: Masterforce characters]]
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Overlord (G1)

2007-04-02T00:23:24Z

85.195.123.24: /* Victory Cartoon */

{{disambig3|Overlord}}

:''Overlord is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Overlord.jpg|right|thumb|250px|He's a she! She's a he! He's a she-she. He's half man, half woman. All Lord.]]

'''Overlord''' is the battlefield leader of the Decepticons during the Masterforce War, serving as the so-called "[[Emperor of Destruction|Ambassador of Destruction]]" under the [[Emperor of Destruction]], [[Devil Z]]. As the combined form of the two [[human]] [[Godmasters]], [[Mega (G1)|Mega]] and [[Giga]], Overlord comprises a tank and jet which can combine to form a robot mode, a heavily-equipped advance base, or a larger jet capable of space flight.

==Fiction==

===Dreamwave Comics===
In the early era of Decepticon expansion into space, '''Gigatron''' (Overlord's american name) performed research that formed the foundation for the later [[Powermaster]] proscess.

'''He would later re-emerge to challenge Powermaster Optimus Prime'''

===Latter-Day UK Toyline===
Overlord, a legendary Decepticon whose many functions are driven by [[Energon figure|Energon figures]], fights the [[Motorvator]]s on a post-apocalyptic Earth.

===Masterforce cartoon===
''Voice actor:'' [[Keiichi Noda]] (Japan) ''Same voice actor as his partner [[Giga]]''
[[Image:Overlord_r.jpg|left|thumb|Lady Mega: "Does this Transtector make me look fat?" Lord Giga: "(*groans*)"]]

The story of Overlord begins with the mysterious alien energy-being, [[Devil Z]], who sought to create the ultimate super-robot lifeform. Stealing a selection of Transformer [[Transtector]]s – lifeless robot bodies designed to merge with smaller robots – from a sector of space known as [[G Nebula 89]], he scattered them across the Earth, intending for them to absorb the planet’s energies, known as [[Chokon Power|Chichokon]], in addition to the heavenly [[Chokon Power|Tenchokon]] energy they had acquired from the G Nebula. Alongside the largest of the eight Transtectors brought to the planet, Devil Z slumbered deep within an ocean trench, awaiting the day that his plan could come to fruition, and human souls would bond with the Transtectors, endowing them with [[Chokon Power|Jinchokon]], the power of man, and giving the resultant lifeforms, the Godmasters, the power over the three primal energies of life. That day came when two human begins, a husband and wife named Giga and Mega, came into Devil Z’s service and were both bonded with the largest Transtector. The duo now controlled the dual aspects of the Transtector – Giga piloted the "Gigatank," while Mega controlled the "Megajet."

[[Image:Overlord_v.jpg|right|thumb|I'm easy come. Easy go. Little High. Little Low.]]

With Devil Z already having brainwashed [[Scorponok (G1)|BlackZarak]], the commander of the evil [[Decepticons]] – currently engaged in battling the heroic [[Autobots]] in the depths of space – Overlord was branded as a Decepticon, ambassador to Devil Z's emperor. While Devil Z’s other agents, the Decepticon [[Pretender]]s and [[Headmaster Junior]]s, kept the small Autobot force remaining on Earth occupied, the so-dubbed "Lord Giga" and "Lady Mega" set about locating other Godmasters on Earth, finding the German brothers [[Hydra and Buster]] and recruiting them to the Decepticon side. After the two groups of Decepticons were then gathered together under Giga and Mega’s command, a race ensued between the Autobots and Decepticons to locate the remaining Godmasters, only for the Autobots to acquire three.

Incensed by this failure, Giga and Mega took matters into their own hands, taking their Transtectors into battle for the first time. Luring the Autobot command [[Ginrai]] into the desert, Giga and Mega confronted him as Overlord and immediately proved their physical superiority by thrashing him so badly that he was near death. Overlord subsequently departed into space, taking control of a weather-monitoring base on the moon in order to rendezvous with the approaching BlackZarak there. Pursued by Ginrai, now merged with the drone Godbomber as the powered-up God Ginrai, Overlord and BlackZarak battled him and the Autobot battleship [[Grand Maximus]]; refusing to follow Overlord’s instruction to return to Earth, BlackZarak ultimately met defeat and fled back into space.

[[Image:Overlord_b.jpg|left|thumb|Umm, Giga? Where are we suppose to sleep?]]

Overlord later adopted his base mode for the first time to act as a staging ground for the search for the final Godmaster, and again to mastermind the assault of the Autobot base. When BlackZarak returned, Devil Z’s plans escalated to the destruction of all human life on Earth, shocking Giga and Mega; where Devil Z had come to fear the power of Jinchokon that dwelled within all human beings, the couple celebrated their humanity. Dissention grew as Devil Z fused with BlackZarak and abandoned the Headmaster Juniors in the ruins of the destroyed Decepticon base, and Buster and Hydra, believing that their inability to defeat Ginrai was the result of human limitations, were transformed into fully robotic beings through Devil Z’s power. Confronting God Ginrai for one final time, Overlord vowed to fight him without weapons, battling him only through the use of his physical strength, through the power of his human flesh. When Devil Z turned on Buster and Hydra for their own failures, however, Overlord attempted to stop him, only to be on the receiving end of the emperor’s wrath. Rescued by God Ginrai, Giga and Mega finally turned against Devil Z, but when they aided God Ginrai in combating their former master, they were struck down and forcibly separated from their Transtector, which was brought to life through Devil Z’s power. As their [[Masterbrace]]s vanished from their wrists, Giga and Mega died, regretting that they could not settle their rivalry with Ginrai honourably.

With the subsequent destruction of Devil Z at God Ginrai’s hands, the now-living Overlord Transtector fled into space with the other Decepticons, and joined with the main Decepticon force in space.

====Masterforce manga====

Whereas the anime did not explain how Mega and Giga came to serve Devil Z, the manga strongly implied that they were a couple who had died at sea, and Devil Z, from his ocean trench resting place, recovered and reanimated their bodies. The characters are cast in much more of a "parental" role for the Headmaster Juniors than in the anime (where the idea is only dabbled with), as if to give the couple the family that they died before they had the chance to start.

Giga and Mega debuted their Transtectors in an attack on a city, only to be blindsided by God Ginrai and goaded into pursuing him out into space. BlackZarak, however, was waiting for them, but God Ginrai was able to dodge their attacks and cause them to damage each other. Indeed, Overlord was no stranger to chassis-shattering damage in the manga, at one time actually having Grand Maximus's battleship mode crash straight into his face, and being punched by God Ginrai so hard that Giga and Mega popped out of his chest.

During the final battle, the merged Devil Z-BlackZarak entity turned on Overlord and the Decepticons, who then teamed up with the Autobots to unite their energies in a final attack that destroyed him. The destruction of Devil Z caused the energy sustaining Giga and Mega to cease, and they died.

===Victory Cartoon===

====Zone OVA and Manga====

[[Image:OverlordZone1.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Robots should not wear [[capes]].]]

''(Overlord is referred to as one of the [[Nine Great Demon Generals]]. This terminology, coupled with the presence of the previously deceased [[Black Zarak]] in their ranks and [[Violen Jygar]]'s supernatural origins, could mean that Overlord died previously to Zone and was likewise brought back to life. However, this is unconfirmed, meaning that Violen Jygar may have simply recruited the still-living Overlord to be a General.)''

When [[Violen Jygar]] siezed command of the Decepticons, his first act was to recruit 9 Demon-Generals from Decepticon history. Overlord was selected to be one of those Generals and was given the rank of Super God General as well as new power and weaponry to make him an even greater threat than before. Overlord was sent to the Planet [[Feminia]] to wreak havoc along with [[Abominus (G1)|Abominus]] and [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]]. Together, the 3 Decepticon Demon-Generals destroyed the entire planet and nearly killed [[Victory Saber]] in the process.

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Overlord''' (1988, Japan; 1991, Europe)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-307'''

: Consisting of the '''Megajet''', '''Gigatank''' and a slew of accessories, Overlord transforms like any [[Powermaster]], in that he is only able to do so when [[Giga]] and [[Mega]] are fixed in place. Inserting Giga into the tank splits it in half to form his legs, while attaching Mega unlocks his shoulder articulation for robot mode, and his fold-out launchpad for base mode. His instructions do not feature the additional large jet mode, which was created by the production staff of the animated series, but it is possible to put the toy in this form. There is no one mode that uses all of Overlord's separate pieces.

: Initially exclusive to Japan, Overlord's toy was later releasd in Europe with a completely different tech spec, recasting him in an appropriate role within the [[Godmaster]]-less Western ''Transformers'' universe with Mega and Giga envisioned as nameless "Energon mini-figures." It might be theorised, however, that rather than be a different character, this could be the entirely-robotic Overlord who exists after the end of ''Masterforce'' - appropos of nothing, his tech spec notes that he has the ability to "traverse the dimensions." Could that be how he finds his way from the Japanese-continuity universe into the Western one?

===Merchandise===
A PVC figure of Overlord was part of the fifth act of [[Takara]]'s [[Super Collection Figure]] series, which was later released in the fourth wave of [[Hasbro]]'s [[Heroes of Cybertron]] under the name Gigatron. Gigatron was given Overlord's UK tech spec and his Japanese bio and function, Ambassador of Destruction, but [[Dreamwave]] would later characterise him as an ancient mechanoid who conceived of the Powermaster process. Whether he is simply an international version of the character or a different entity entirely is up for debate.

==External Links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1988/Destron/Overlord/overlord.htm Overlord at TFU.info]

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[[Category: Godmasters]]
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Overlord (G1)

2007-04-02T00:19:00Z

85.195.123.24: /* Masterforce cartoon */

{{disambig3|Overlord}}

:''Overlord is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Overlord.jpg|right|thumb|250px|He's a she! She's a he! He's a she-she. He's half man, half woman. All Lord.]]

'''Overlord''' is the battlefield leader of the Decepticons during the Masterforce War, serving as the so-called "[[Emperor of Destruction|Ambassador of Destruction]]" under the [[Emperor of Destruction]], [[Devil Z]]. As the combined form of the two [[human]] [[Godmasters]], [[Mega (G1)|Mega]] and [[Giga]], Overlord comprises a tank and jet which can combine to form a robot mode, a heavily-equipped advance base, or a larger jet capable of space flight.

==Fiction==

===Dreamwave Comics===
In the early era of Decepticon expansion into space, '''Gigatron''' (Overlord's american name) performed research that formed the foundation for the later [[Powermaster]] proscess.

'''He would later re-emerge to challenge Powermaster Optimus Prime'''

===Latter-Day UK Toyline===
Overlord, a legendary Decepticon whose many functions are driven by [[Energon figure|Energon figures]], fights the [[Motorvator]]s on a post-apocalyptic Earth.

===Masterforce cartoon===
''Voice actor:'' [[Keiichi Noda]] (Japan) ''Same voice actor as his partner [[Giga]]''
[[Image:Overlord_r.jpg|left|thumb|Lady Mega: "Does this Transtector make me look fat?" Lord Giga: "(*groans*)"]]

The story of Overlord begins with the mysterious alien energy-being, [[Devil Z]], who sought to create the ultimate super-robot lifeform. Stealing a selection of Transformer [[Transtector]]s – lifeless robot bodies designed to merge with smaller robots – from a sector of space known as [[G Nebula 89]], he scattered them across the Earth, intending for them to absorb the planet’s energies, known as [[Chokon Power|Chichokon]], in addition to the heavenly [[Chokon Power|Tenchokon]] energy they had acquired from the G Nebula. Alongside the largest of the eight Transtectors brought to the planet, Devil Z slumbered deep within an ocean trench, awaiting the day that his plan could come to fruition, and human souls would bond with the Transtectors, endowing them with [[Chokon Power|Jinchokon]], the power of man, and giving the resultant lifeforms, the Godmasters, the power over the three primal energies of life. That day came when two human begins, a husband and wife named Giga and Mega, came into Devil Z’s service and were both bonded with the largest Transtector. The duo now controlled the dual aspects of the Transtector – Giga piloted the "Gigatank," while Mega controlled the "Megajet."

[[Image:Overlord_v.jpg|right|thumb|I'm easy come. Easy go. Little High. Little Low.]]

With Devil Z already having brainwashed [[Scorponok (G1)|BlackZarak]], the commander of the evil [[Decepticons]] – currently engaged in battling the heroic [[Autobots]] in the depths of space – Overlord was branded as a Decepticon, ambassador to Devil Z's emperor. While Devil Z’s other agents, the Decepticon [[Pretender]]s and [[Headmaster Junior]]s, kept the small Autobot force remaining on Earth occupied, the so-dubbed "Lord Giga" and "Lady Mega" set about locating other Godmasters on Earth, finding the German brothers [[Hydra and Buster]] and recruiting them to the Decepticon side. After the two groups of Decepticons were then gathered together under Giga and Mega’s command, a race ensued between the Autobots and Decepticons to locate the remaining Godmasters, only for the Autobots to acquire three.

Incensed by this failure, Giga and Mega took matters into their own hands, taking their Transtectors into battle for the first time. Luring the Autobot command [[Ginrai]] into the desert, Giga and Mega confronted him as Overlord and immediately proved their physical superiority by thrashing him so badly that he was near death. Overlord subsequently departed into space, taking control of a weather-monitoring base on the moon in order to rendezvous with the approaching BlackZarak there. Pursued by Ginrai, now merged with the drone Godbomber as the powered-up God Ginrai, Overlord and BlackZarak battled him and the Autobot battleship [[Grand Maximus]]; refusing to follow Overlord’s instruction to return to Earth, BlackZarak ultimately met defeat and fled back into space.

[[Image:Overlord_b.jpg|left|thumb|Umm, Giga? Where are we suppose to sleep?]]

Overlord later adopted his base mode for the first time to act as a staging ground for the search for the final Godmaster, and again to mastermind the assault of the Autobot base. When BlackZarak returned, Devil Z’s plans escalated to the destruction of all human life on Earth, shocking Giga and Mega; where Devil Z had come to fear the power of Jinchokon that dwelled within all human beings, the couple celebrated their humanity. Dissention grew as Devil Z fused with BlackZarak and abandoned the Headmaster Juniors in the ruins of the destroyed Decepticon base, and Buster and Hydra, believing that their inability to defeat Ginrai was the result of human limitations, were transformed into fully robotic beings through Devil Z’s power. Confronting God Ginrai for one final time, Overlord vowed to fight him without weapons, battling him only through the use of his physical strength, through the power of his human flesh. When Devil Z turned on Buster and Hydra for their own failures, however, Overlord attempted to stop him, only to be on the receiving end of the emperor’s wrath. Rescued by God Ginrai, Giga and Mega finally turned against Devil Z, but when they aided God Ginrai in combating their former master, they were struck down and forcibly separated from their Transtector, which was brought to life through Devil Z’s power. As their [[Masterbrace]]s vanished from their wrists, Giga and Mega died, regretting that they could not settle their rivalry with Ginrai honourably.

With the subsequent destruction of Devil Z at God Ginrai’s hands, the now-living Overlord Transtector fled into space with the other Decepticons, and joined with the main Decepticon force in space.

====Masterforce manga====

Whereas the anime did not explain how Mega and Giga came to serve Devil Z, the manga strongly implied that they were a couple who had died at sea, and Devil Z, from his ocean trench resting place, recovered and reanimated their bodies. The characters are cast in much more of a "parental" role for the Headmaster Juniors than in the anime (where the idea is only dabbled with), as if to give the couple the family that they died before they had the chance to start.

Giga and Mega debuted their Transtectors in an attack on a city, only to be blindsided by God Ginrai and goaded into pursuing him out into space. BlackZarak, however, was waiting for them, but God Ginrai was able to dodge their attacks and cause them to damage each other. Indeed, Overlord was no stranger to chassis-shattering damage in the manga, at one time actually having Grand Maximus's battleship mode crash straight into his face, and being punched by God Ginrai so hard that Giga and Mega popped out of his chest.

During the final battle, the merged Devil Z-BlackZarak entity turned on Overlord and the Decepticons, who then teamed up with the Autobots to unite their energies in a final attack that destroyed him. The destruction of Devil Z caused the energy sustaining Giga and Mega to cease, and they died.

====Victory Cartoon====

====Zone OVA and Manga====

[[Image:OverlordZone1.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Robots should not wear [[capes]].]]

''(Overlord is referred to as one of the [[Nine Great Demon Generals]]. This terminology, coupled with the presence of the previously deceased [[Black Zarak]] in their ranks and [[Violen Jygar]]'s supernatural origins, could mean that Overlord died previously to Zone and was likewise brought back to life. However, this is unconfirmed, meaning that Violen Jygar may have simply recruited the still-living Overlord to be a General.)''

When [[Violen Jygar]] siezed command of the Decepticons, his first act was to recruit 9 Demon-Generals from Decepticon history. Overlord was selected to be one of those Generals and was given the rank of Super God General as well as new power and weaponry to make him an even greater threat than before. Overlord was sent to the Planet [[Feminia]] to wreak havoc along with [[Abominus (G1)|Abominus]] and [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]]. Together, the 3 Decepticon Demon-Generals destroyed the entire planet and nearly killed [[Victory Saber]] in the process.

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Overlord''' (1988, Japan; 1991, Europe)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-307'''

: Consisting of the '''Megajet''', '''Gigatank''' and a slew of accessories, Overlord transforms like any [[Powermaster]], in that he is only able to do so when [[Giga]] and [[Mega]] are fixed in place. Inserting Giga into the tank splits it in half to form his legs, while attaching Mega unlocks his shoulder articulation for robot mode, and his fold-out launchpad for base mode. His instructions do not feature the additional large jet mode, which was created by the production staff of the animated series, but it is possible to put the toy in this form. There is no one mode that uses all of Overlord's separate pieces.

: Initially exclusive to Japan, Overlord's toy was later releasd in Europe with a completely different tech spec, recasting him in an appropriate role within the [[Godmaster]]-less Western ''Transformers'' universe with Mega and Giga envisioned as nameless "Energon mini-figures." It might be theorised, however, that rather than be a different character, this could be the entirely-robotic Overlord who exists after the end of ''Masterforce'' - appropos of nothing, his tech spec notes that he has the ability to "traverse the dimensions." Could that be how he finds his way from the Japanese-continuity universe into the Western one?

===Merchandise===
A PVC figure of Overlord was part of the fifth act of [[Takara]]'s [[Super Collection Figure]] series, which was later released in the fourth wave of [[Hasbro]]'s [[Heroes of Cybertron]] under the name Gigatron. Gigatron was given Overlord's UK tech spec and his Japanese bio and function, Ambassador of Destruction, but [[Dreamwave]] would later characterise him as an ancient mechanoid who conceived of the Powermaster process. Whether he is simply an international version of the character or a different entity entirely is up for debate.

==External Links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1988/Destron/Overlord/overlord.htm Overlord at TFU.info]

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[[Category: Godmasters]]
[[category:Masterforce characters]]
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Overlord (disambiguation)

2007-04-01T23:58:33Z

85.195.123.24: Devil Z was the leader not Overlord, but the time he got the leadership, the "Masteforce portion of the Generation 1 continuity family" was over.

There are multiple, unrelated entities and groups with the name '''Overlord''' or '''Overlords''' in the Transformers multiverse:

*[[Overlord (Autobot)|Overlords]], the pre-war [[Autobot]] leaders from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].

*[[Overlord]], the powerful [[Decepticon] from the [[Masterforce]] portion of the Generation 1 continuity family.

*[[Overlord (Cobra)|Overlord]], the [[Cobra]] operative from the [[Devil's Due]] Generation 1 continuity.

Overlord should not be confused with:

*[[Overload (disambiguation)|Overload]].

*[[Overkill (G1)|Overkill]] the Decepticon cassette/ceratosaur from Generation 1.

*[[Overcast (Energon)|Overcast]] the Autobot space shuttle from [[Energon (franchise)|Energon]] in the Unicron Trilogy.

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