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Discmaster

2007-10-03T23:47:12Z

85.195.123.29: /* Possible Diskmasters: */

The art of the '''Diskmaster''' is a martial combat style in the [[Beast Wars]] era of the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].

A Diskmaster uses explosive disks in combat usually in both their robot and alternate forms. Disks may be rigged to explode at the time and place of the master's choosing. {{storylink|Transformers Beast Wars Sourcebook 1}}

== Known Diskmasters: ==

*[[Mantis]]
*[[Autolauncher]]

== Possible Diskmasters: ==

*[[Depth Charge]]
*[[Manterror]]

[[Category: Generation 1]]
[[Category: Beast Wars]]
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Devastator (G1)

2007-08-25T02:01:09Z

85.195.123.29: /* ''Zone'' OVA and manga */

{{disambig3|Devastator}}

:''Devastator is a [[Decepticon]] [[combiner]] from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:DevastatorManga1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|He devastates things. Devastates them right in the mouth.]]

'''Devastator''' is an immensely powerful warrior, and in that sense the combination of the [[Constructicon]]s into a merged being is a huge success. Mentally, on the other hand, he's very much less than the sum of his parts. Devastator's primitive psyche is limited to only the thoughts and actions on which all his components can agree, which results in raging bouts of destructive fury. Given the sheer power Devastator brings to these rages, [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] has no complaints.

Nominally he is composed of the six robots...

*[[Scrapper|Scrapper (Leader)]]
*[[Hook]]
*[[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]]
*[[Long Haul (G1)|Long Haul]]
*[[Mixmaster]]
*[[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]]

:''Japanese name:'' '''Devastar'''<br>
:''French-Canadian name:'' '''Dévastateur'''
:''Hungarian name:'' '''Pusztító'''

==Fiction==
===Animated continuity===
====Generation 1 cartoon====
:''Voice Actor:'' [[Arthur Burghardt]] (US), [[Seizō Katō]] (Japan)

The Constructicons did not initially have the power to merge into Devastator. That ability was given to them by Megatron after he warped their minds into servitude with the [[Robo-Smasher]].

Millions of years later, in 1984, Megatron had the Constructicons built on Earth to steal high-tech electronic components for his [[Power chip rectifier]] furnace, as well as tunneling under the [[Ark]] to destroy [[Teletraan I]]. Teletraan I, sensing the imminent danger, activated the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]]. The Dinobots responded and started pounding on the Constructicons, opening up a lava channel in the process. The battle not going in their favor, the Constructicons pulled out one last trick and combined into the super warrior, Devastator.And then all hell broke loose.

The returning Autobots saw the battle, but were unable to help (due to losing a tournament which prevented them from interfering with the Decepticons). Inside the Ark, Teletraan-I was able to show that Megatron had cheated and the Autobots rushed outside to help the Dinobots. Distracted by one of [[Hound (G1)|Hound]]’s holograms, Devastator was shot by Optimus Prime and fell apart into the lava. {{Storylink|Heavy Metal War}}.

Devastator was continuously called upon during battle for many years to come. Some of his adventures include scaling the Empire State Building like King Kong, helping [[Grapple (G1)|Grapple]] and [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] build their solar tower, being brainwashed by [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]]'s [[dominator disk]]s into serving the Autobots and pummeling the Dinobots again during the battle of [[Autobot City]].

====''The Transformer'' manga====

===''Zone'' OVA and manga===
'''Voice Actor:''' [[Hirohiko Kakegawa]] (Japan)

[[Image:DevastatorZone1.jpg|right|150px|thumb|PHALLIC!]]

''(Devastator is referred to as one of the [[Nine Great Demon Generals]]. This terminology, coupled with the presence of the previously deceased [[Black Zarak]] in their ranks and [[Violen Jygar]]'s supernatural origins, could mean that Devastator died previously to Zone and was likewise brought back to life. However, this is unconfirmed, meaning that Violen Jygar may have simply recruited the still-living Devastator to be a General.)''

Devastator was selected by [[Violen Jygar]] as one of his 9 Decepticon Demon-Generals. Given the rank of Technology General and gifted with a new bitchin' drill-weapon (not unlike the ones his toy had) and armor, Violen Jygar sent Devastator to the [[Earth]] to steal the [[Zodiac]] before the Autobots could get it. After destroying the World Trade Center (Not cool, man, not cool!), Devastator drilled deep within the planet, reaching the Zodiac's chamber, and went toe-to-toe with [[Dai Atlas]]. He managed to get the Zodiac first and pass it off to [[King Poseidon]]. Devastator had the upper hand in battle until Dai Atlas opened a vein of hot lava upon the Decepticon. Devastator was washed-away in the molten magma, apparently killed by it. (Although he did survive a lava dip years earlier in [[Heavy Metal War]], so who knows?)

Along the way, he demolished the World Trade Center. That terrorist scum.

===Marvel Comics continuity===
The Constructicons were the first (and, as it turned out, the last) new Decepticons created by Shockwave on Earth, using the residual power of the Creation Matrix that was within his captive Optimus Prime. Their first misson was to construct a massive communications dish, allowing Soundwave to broadcast a message to long-lost Cybertron. When the dish came under attack by a squad of Autobots, the Constructions merged to form Devastator, much to the surprise of the attacking Autobots.

Devastator was powerful and tough, but slow and confused as well. Soundwave was connected to the scrambler dish and unable to defend himself; when Huffer threatened to destroy the dish, it took Devastator quite some time to figure out which Autobot Soundwave wanted him to attack ("Destroy Autobot.... which Autobot.... not these Autobots...")

When Bomber Bill cut Soundwave's connections to the dish, causing feedback which destroyed it, he ordered the Constructions to disassemble and retreat, noting that their performance as a single unit had been "notably deficient."

Devastator reappeared when Optimus Prime lead an Autobot offensive on the heavily fortifid Decepticon coal mining base. The defenses held the Autobots to a standstill, and Shockwave ordered the Constructicons to merge to tip the balance in their favor. But the attack was a nothing but a ruse to draw out Devastator. Bumblebee was monitoring the Constructicons' transformation pattern, and as soon as he successfully recorded it, Optimus Prime ordered a retreat. The information eventually allowed the Autobots to create their own team of combiners, the Aerialbots.

===Dreamwave comics continuity===

After Megatron freed the other Decepticons from [[Adam Rook]]'s control, he sent Devastator down the west coast of North America. Along the way, Devastator destroyed a US Navy submarine, before arriving at his destination, San Francisco.

Devastator helped destroy the city until he was initially stopped by [[Superion]], and finally put into stasis lock when [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] shot him point-blank in the head. His fate was left unconfirmed, but he was last seen falling to the bottom of the sea, so it is likely that he was put into terminal stasis.

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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Devastator''' (Giftset, 1985)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-37'''
[[Image:G1devastator_toy.jpg|right|thumb|125px|I was here first, Scramble-boy!]]

: Normally, Devastator could only be assembled by buying all six individual Constructicons with the additional large-scale weapons components that were assigned to them. However, six-robot gift sets were made available in many markets, including the US, Japan, and several European countries.

: Devastor's forearms are also spring-loaded missile launchers, able to fire his fists as well as his drill attachments. He also comes armed with a large purple laser rifle.

: Unlike the later [[Scramble City]]-style combiners, Devastator's limbs cannot be rearranged into any other configurations.

*'''Devastator with Scorpulator''' (Action Master, 1990)

[[Image:ActionMaster_Devastor.gif|left|thumb|150px|Scorpulator, alligator.]]

: A non-transforming action figure compatible with any other [[Action Master]] vehicle or accessory, Devastator's sculpt is a combination of the original animation model and several more toy-based elements. He came with his small animal partner [[Scorpulator]].
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===Generation 2===
*'''Devastator''' (1993)
[[Image:G2Devastator_toy.jpg|right|thumb|100px|Yellow, but not mellow.]]

: During ''[[Generation 2]]'', the Constructicons were only available as individuals, never as a giftset. The team was released in two different colors, initially in yellow, then later in bright orange. All individual members are tampographed with the G2 Decepticon symbol and the words 'Decepticon'.

:Other than colour scheme and the lack of [[rubsign]]s, G2 Devastator is functionally identical to the original release.

===Classics===
*'''Constructicon Devastator''' (Multi-pack, 2007)
[[Image:Devastatorclassics.jpg|left|thumb|100px|And then there were five.]]

: For ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'', Devastator is a [[redeco]] of the ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'' combiner [[Constructicon Maximus]]. He was available only in a full five-pack, [[exclusive]] to Wal-Mart stores.

: Since the new classics combiner contains only five robots, rather than the original's six, the Constructicon team here contains only [[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]], [[Hightower (Classics)|Hightower]] (who may or may not be related to [[Hook]] and/or [[Mixmaster]] as his bio seems to combine attributes of both), [[Long Haul (G1)|Long Haul]], [[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]] and [[Scrapper]]. Also, because of the combination method used, he can also use any of the ''Energon''-series limb-robots.

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==Merchandise==
*'''Devastator''' (Bust, 2003)
[[Image:Devastatorbust.jpg|right|thumb|I BEND METAL BAR FOR FOOD.]]

:This bust of Devastor was released by Hard Hero, and was based on his G1 cartoon appearance.

*'''Devastator''' (Statue, 2006)
[[Image:Palisades_Devastator.jpg|left|thumb|130px|Brother, won't you spare a dime?]]

:This statue of Devastator was released by Palisades.

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==Trivia==
* Though a yellow version of the Constructicons were released in the European market at the tail end of Generation 1, they did not come with any of the parts to form Devastator. In fact, [[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]] and [[Hook]] had the connector parts on their actual toys removed.

* It has been rumored that the orange ''Generation 2'' Constructions were a Kay-Bee Toys exclusive, but this is unconfirmed.

[[Image:PreDevastator.jpg|left|thumb|150px|This is why "revisions" exist.]]
* Devastator's (or rather, his [[Diaclone]] counterpart's) concept design was decidedly less imposing than the final. Interestingly, it is only composed of five components, the core being a long-nosed truck cab.
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Ultra Magnus (G1)

2007-08-12T23:26:06Z

85.195.123.29: /* Fiction */

{{disambig3|Ultra Magnus}}

:''Ultra Magnus is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Ultramagnusg1.jpg|300px|right|thumb|He can't deal with you now.]]

'''Ultra Magnus''' feels he is a soldier and nothing more. He very much prefers taking orders to giving them, and even avoids opportunities for higher responsibility. But when he is forced into those opportunities, he betrays his real talent for the job. He's strong, resolute, dependable, selfless, and courageous. Sadly, Ultra Magnus is the only Autobot who doesn't realize this.

Believing he is nothing but a soldier, Ultra Magnus is perfectly willing to sacrifice himself for the greater good if need be. He knows he's more powerful than the average Autobot, and will throw himself at larger threats accordingly. There is a special enmity between him and [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] for this reason, for Galvatron may be the most deadly foe of all. (Also, Galvatron, given his mental state, probably doesn't approve of people he's had blown up getting back up afterward. This can be seen as a sore point for Magnus, too.)

He is possibly [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]'s brother.

:''Italian name'': '''Convoy'''<br>
:''French-Canadian name'': '''Ultramag'''

==Fiction==
===Animated continuity===
====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformer'' manga (Japan-only)====

:''('''Note''': The "Fight! Super Robot Life Transformer" manga takes place before the events of Transformers the Movie and around the events of Scramble City)''

Ultra Magnus first appeared to deliver Optimus Prime his trailer, containing a special cannon upgrade, the "Scramble Power Buster". They engage the Decepticons in battle and Ultra Magnus and Optimus Prime team-up to defeat the villains with their "Convoy Magnus Double Cross Kick".

Ultra Magnus also came up with the idea for the global underground transportation system, the [[Autobot Road]].

:''('''Note''': The manga specifically notes that Optimus Prime looks upon Ultra Magnus as his "Kid Brother". Although the manga is a supplement to the TV series, this family-dynamic between the two characters was never used in the cartoon.)''

====''Scramble City'' (Japan-only)====
Voice actor: [[Banjō Ginga]] (Japan)

''(Note: Scramble City takes place before the events of [[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|Transformers the Movie]].)''

Ultra Magnus first came to Earth around the year 1986 to head-up the [[Scramble City]] (AKA [[Autobot City]]) project. Under his supervision, [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] was built. Unfortunately, Metroplex was discovered by the spy [[Ratbat]] under Ultra Magnus' watch, who leaked the location back to Megatron.

====''Binaltech'' (Japan-only)====

While Optimus Prime was fighting the Decepticon on Cybertron, he charged [[Ultra Magnus]] to protect the earth and to lead the construction of the new Autobot city. When the crisis annouced by Ravage arrived, he went with Ultra Magnus on a last chance mission to stop Unicron, while sending [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] into the past to restore the timeline so that recent events instigated by Ravage would not happen.

====''Transformers The Movie''====
Voice actors: [[Robert Stack]] → [[Jack Angel]] (US); [[Show Hayami]] (Japan)

By 2005, Ultra Magnus was the full-fledged City Commander for [[Autobot City]]. Autobot City was under his authority when Megatron and the Decepticons waged their full-scale attack. Ultra Magnus ordered [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] and [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] to transform it to battle-mode, but it only held the Decepticons off for so long. In the fight, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] was mortally wounded and passed the [[Matrix]] of Leadership on to Ultra Magnus, making Magnus the new Supreme Commander of the Autobots.

Autobot City was quickly attacked a second time by [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], the upgraded version of [[Megatron (G1)| Megatron]]. Ultra Magnus lured him away on his shuttle, but was eventually shot-down onto the [[Junkion (planet)|Planet of Junk]]. Galvatron tracked him there and Ultra Magnus managed to draw him away from the other Autobots to face the enemy alone. Magnus attempted to open the Matrix, but the Matrix would not open, and Ultra Magnus was blown to pieces. Galvatron took the Matrix, intending to use it to destroy [[Unicron]].

After the Autobots befriended the [[Junkion]]s, they used their expertise to rebuild Ultra Magnus. Magnus joined the other Autobots in the battle with Unicron on [[Cybertron]] and helped drive the last of the Decepticons from their home planet. {{Storylink|The Transformers: The Movie (1986)}}

====''Kiss Players'' (Japan-only)====
When [[Rodimus Prime]]'s defeat of [[Galvatron]] in 2005 led to the catastrophic destruction of [[Tokyo]], the new Autobot leader was consumed by guilt. He passed on the [[Matrix]] to Ultra Magnus in order to revert to [[Hot Rod]] and return to [[Earth]].

====''Season 3/2010''====
In 2006 (or 2010, if you're Japanese), Ultra Magnus ceased his role as a City Commander and became head-adviser to [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]], the new Supreme Commander of the Autobots and chosen one of the Matrix. At various times he was [[The Killing Jar|sucked into a black hole]], [[Only Human|turned into a synthetic human]] and [[Surprise Party|had a birthday party]].

When the [[Hate Plague]] possessed all of Earth and Cybertron, Ultra Magnus singled Rodimus Prime out of all the other Autobots and focused all his rage on him, vowing to track him wherever he went. Ultra Magnus was eventually cured of the Hate Plague when Optimus Prime came back from the dead (again). {{Storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime}}

====Manga====

=====The Transformer=====

=====Transformer: Big War=====

====''Rebirth'' (America-only)====

Some time later, Ultra Magnus helped defend Autobot City from a massive Decepticon assault, which was actually a diversion for the theft of the key to the [[Plasma Energy Chamber]]. Subsequent to the battle and discovery of the theft, Magnus accompanied Optimus Prime on a shuttle to Cybertron. After Prime got the answers he needed from [[Vector Sigma]], he decided to go to [[Nebulos]] and left Ultra Magnus in charge of Cybertron. {{Storylink|The Rebirth, Part 1}}

Ultra Magnus' tenure didn't go very well, as the selfsame massive Decepticon assault force was attacking the planet. Nonetheless, he and the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobot]]s struck at Galvatron, and may well have done him in if [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s reinforcements hadn't arrived. Magnus then ignominiously had his [[power pack]] torn out and slowly began to die from lack of energon. Still, he was able to relay Galvatron's crazed scheme to Optimus Prime and the Autobot [[Headmaster]]s before blacking out.

When Ultra Magnus next awoke, the Golden Age of Cybertron had come anew, and the Decepticons were seemingly defeated once and for all. {{Storylink|The Rebirth, Part 3}}

====''Headmasters'' (Japan-only)====
Voice actor: [[Hōchū Ōtsuka|Yoshitada Ōtsuka]] (Japan)

Ultra Magnus continued his work as Commander of Autobot City on Earth and was instrumental in several victories over the Decepticons. Because of this, [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]] singled him out for assassination. Ultra Magnus and Sixshot engaged in a one-on-one duel outside Autobot City, and Ultra Magnus was completely wrecked by Sixshot's six transformations. He was finally done in by Sixshot's mysterious 7th transformation, "Wingwolf". After his death, Ultra Magnus was placed in a coffin and buried on Earth, the planet he loved so dearly.

====Generation 2 manga (Japan-only)====
=====E-Hobby=====

After his death at the hands of Sixshot, Ultra Magnus was aloud entry into the Matrix of Leadership, as he was it’s bearer for a brief time. But Ultra Magnus’ spark still was still restless, he knew he didn’t belong. Using the Cosmic Awareness that accompanies joining the Matrix to spy on the mortal relm, Ultra Magnus learned, by chance of Galvatron II and his massive [[Warworld|Mobile Battle Fortress]] putting the Galaxy at Risk. Determined to set things right, Magnus contacted Optimus Prime via their shared link to the Matrix, and resurrected himself in a similar body using Prime’s [[Reconfiguration Matrix]]. Ultra Magnus immediately set out to counter Galvatron II’s invasion and started raising forces of his own. On at least one occasion Ultra Magnus was so thoroughly trounced by Galvatron and his endless puns that he required saving by Optimus Prime in his new [[Black Body]].

In this new form Ultra Magnus is able to switch between various body types (including his original) at will, similar to Optimus Prime, thanks to his contact with the Reconfiguration Matrix. In addition, he is able to tap into his [[Laser Core]] to power his blaster and sword.

===Ladybird books continuity===
Ultra Magnus came from Cybertron to take over leadership of the Autobots after Optimus Prime disappeared. He is opposed by [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] as Decpticon leader and this is presented as a prolonged status quo rather than the rather brief version of this scenario presented in the animated continuity. Furthermore [[Spike Witwicky]] appears to still be a teenager at this point, making a setting date of 2005 unlikely.

Ultra Magnus functioning as Prime's successor for some time rather than being immediately replaced by [[Hot Rod|Rodimus Prime]] is presented in this and other [[Micro-continuity|micro-continuities]] based on the action figure line rather than the film.

===Marvel Comics UK continuity===
:''('''Note''': Ultra Magnus appeared only in the Marvel UK books.)''

The remaining Autobot elders spent years designing Ultra Magnus, a leader to lift the resistance out of a deep darkness. He was finally given life in or shortly before 1986<ref>Ultra Magnus profile in Marvel UK #83</ref> for Operation Volcano. His role was to act as the crucial back-up needed for the [[Wreckers]] to successfully destroy their Decepticon targets and then escape in one piece. A serious complication arose when the Matrix Flame, the sacred and eternal blaze linked directly to the [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]] itself, suddenly extinguished. Fearing that something catastrophic had occurred on Earth to the Matrix and its bearer, Optimus Prime, Emirate Xaaron made the decision to send Ultra Magnus to that planet to investigate, even though Operation Volcano was unstoppably set to begin in ten cycles. Magnus traveled to Earth by way of [[Space Bridge]], and found the Ark's crew engaged in a deadly conflict with three new, yet unspeakably powerful, Decepticon warriors just as their leaders Optimus Prime, [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]], and [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] vanished before their optic sensors. Initially concerned only with his investigation of Prime's sudden disappearance, Ultra Magnus ignored the plight of his fellow Autobots until he learned the two situations were linked; [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] and his lieutenants were time-travelers from 2006, having employed a mass-substitution mechanism that sent the three Autobots into limbo in order to accommodate their presence at this point in the timeline. This connection was revealed to him by three Autobots from 2006, who had traveled back in time themselves in order to stop Galvatron. They had a plan; they had the means; all they needed was for Ultra Magnus to keep him busy for, oh...an hour or two.

Easier said than done.

Magnus's battle with Galvatron carried them out of the isolated wilderness and onto a human freeway system. It ended when Ultra Magnus threw a tanker truck full of fuel into the path of Galvatron's particle cannon. Galvatron walked away from the blast -- Magnus didn't. Still, the future Autobots succeeded in tricking Galvatron into returning to the future with his plan incomplete, and the timeline more-or-less preserved. Unfortunately, Magnus was out of time: Operation Volcano proceeded without him, with disastrous results. Only one Decepticon was taken out, and the Wreckers' leader Impactor was killed protecting Xaaron. {{Storylink|Target 2006}}

Ultra Magnus would not meet his counterpart, Optimus Prime, until Prime was inadvertently transported back to Cybertron in battle with Megatron. Hooking up with [[Straxus|Lord Straxus]] at [[Polyhex]], [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] quickly disseminated false information about a new Decepticon made over to look exactly like Optimus Prime, planning to infiltrate the Autobot forces. Having temporarily assumed control of the Wreckers until their new leader, [[Springer]], was ready for command, Ultra Magnus led them in hunting down the "impostor". This Prime's behavior led Magnus to be suspicious of his information and, after summoning Emirate Xaaron, confirmed his suspicions and welcomed the true Optimus Prime back to Cybertron. Prime wasted no time leading Magnus and the others on a series of successful raids and strike missions against Decepticon-controlled territory. When Optimus decided to return home to Earth, however, Ultra Magnus was caught up in the space bridge's energy discharge as well, arriving on Earth but some considerable distance away from where Prime materialized. Having been frustrated ever since Impactor's death, Magnus welcomed the "vacation" this trip to Earth would provide him, as he took his time trying to track down the Ark's location.

For months, Ultra Magnus enjoyed a peaceful life in the American forests and wilderness, alone with his thoughts. A sudden seismic disturbance brought him back to reality, though, and into contact with three human females whose vehicle had been overturned by the tremor. One in particular, Cindy, took quite a liking to Magnus. As they traveled together to explore a nearby volcano and its connection to the tremors, Magnus was forced back into combat thanks to the arrival of his old sparring partner, the future Decepticon known as Galvatron. Galvatron had constructed a magma siphon atop the volcano's peak, and planned to convert the raw power of a volcanic eruption into enough energy to transform him into a god. Ultra Magnus teamed up with several Autobots from the future, who were trying to bring Galvatron back with them to face justice. Once again, Magnus was used as a "distraction" (read: living punching bag) while the future Autobots set up their plan to override Galvatron's time-jump mechanism and send them all back where they came from. Despite Ultra Magnus successfully getting the slag beat out of him, the override proved unsuccessful, sending only the Autobots back to 2007 and leaving Magnus virtually alone to deal with the fighting-mad Galvatron. Barely managing to rally his courage, Ultra Magnus threw himself into combat with Galvatron one more time, keeping him busy until the volcano exploded, destroying the power siphon and encasing both warriors in molten lava.

Several months later, Ultra Magnus was dug out of the volcano by the [[Sparkabot|Sparkler Mini-Bots]]. They had been sent to Earth by Springer to monitor the volcano in case Galvatron ever got free. When Galvatron DID free himself several days earlier, though, they found themselves hopelessly outmatched, and hoped Magnus would have better luck. Sadly, the severe beatings Galvatron had routinely handed out to Ultra Magnus, combined with the final excruciating submergence in molten lava, had nearly unhinged the Autobot's mind, leaving him with a pathological fear of his tormentor. Confronted with Galvatron, Magnus would probably have gone fetal if that pose had any meaning for his people. As the Sparklers heroically tried to stand up to Galvatron anyway, Ultra Magnus saw his rescuers in grave danger and finally managed to push his fear aside and reclaim enough confidence to batter the Decepticon into a temporary retreat. {{Storylink|Salvage!}}

Having renewed his fighting spirit, Ultra Magnus arranged to return to Cybertron with his companions in order to report on Galvatron's activities and hopefully gather the Wreckers for a counter-offensive. Instead, they found the Autobot base in Kalis full of battle signs, and the entire surrounding city-state a virtual "ghost-town". After confronting a legion of robot zombies, the Autobots eventually learned that a crazed scientist named [[Flame (UK comic)|Flame]] was trying to re-engineer the entire planet as a giant spacecraft, setting off an unstable fusion reactor beneath the planet's surface as a power source. With the help of the Wreckers and the Decepticons [[Flywheels]] and [[Trypticon]], Ultra Magnus and his team managed to put an end to Flame's maniacal scheme.

Ultra Magnus and the Wreckers then began preparations to return to Earth and confront the threat of Galvatron, finally, once and for all, and then...*poof*. The Wreckers went to Earth alone, and Ultra Magnus was never seen nor heard from again.

===Blackthorne Transformers In 3-D continuity===

===PD Type mini-comics===

At one point, the [[Blackball]] was left in the safekeeping of Ultra Magnus. Galvatron, catching Magnus by surprise, managed to blow him up with a powerful energy blast from his fusion cannon. Recovering the Blackball, Galvatron began to gloat about his victory. That's when Magnus' body hurled his head at Galvatron like a bowling ball, causing the [[Emperor of Destruction]] to fall over like a set of pins and drop the Blackball. That's ''using your head'', Magnus! *sigh*

===Dreamwave comics continuity===

[[Image:Magnuslongshot.jpg|left|thumb|250px|And then Takara saw this and were all like, "Oh, crap, that's right, we can do redecos, can't we?"]]

After Prime's and Megatron disappeared during the first space bridge incident {{storylink|The Dark Ages, Part 1}}, Ultra Magnus retreated from prominence in the Autobot army. However he was eventually able to overcome his own fear and take a role of leadership. Together with [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], he was on the verge of ending the war when Megatron arrived and enslaved the plane with the [[Aerospace Extermination Squadron]]. Magnus was put to work in a slave mines. {{storylink|The War Within: The Age of Wrath}}

Years later, Ultra Magnus and Shockwave worked together to replenish their armies in the [[Little Iacon]] incident. Many of the [[Micromasters]] created resented Ultra Magnus for bringing him into their war. {{storylink|Micromasters (comic)}}

After [[Great Shutdown]], [[Ultra Magnus]] was reactivated and took the role of security officer under [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave's]] rule, even if he was dissatisfied working under a leader who clearly held his own agenda. After many, many delays, Ultra Magnus confronted Shockwave about the mastermind's plans - but Magnus was silenced by gun fire. He survived by discarding his armor. {{storylink|War and Peace}}

After Shockwave had been removed from power, Ultra Magnus was content to oversee operations on Cybertron while Prime spent ten issues getting repaired.

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===IDW comics continuity===
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Ultra Magnus' concept has been tweaked somewhat to fit within Simon Furman's Cold War-influenced G1 reboot continuity; although still a soldier, Magnus' role is similar to that of an Interpol officer. Specifically, he is an agent of the Tyrest Accord. Although never detailed, this Accord seems to be part of a greater Code of Interplanetary Conflict, some form of treaty between Autobots, Decepticons and other alien races. As an enforcer of the Accord, Magnus hunts down any Transformers, Autobots or Decepticons alike, who illegally sell or distribute Cybertronian technology, handing them over to their superiors for prosecution.

One such violation saw Magnus pursue [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] to the planet Zull. After arresting the Combaticon, Magnus reluctantly released Swindle in exchange for the current whereabouts of an even greater offender: [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]. Magnus has a personal grudge against Scorponok, who is the Autobot's polar opposite; while Magnus sets great stock in rules, Scorponok flouts them. Magnus follows Swindle's lead to the planet [[Nebulos]], but although he disrupts Scorponok's operations, the Decepticon is able to escape.

Later on, Magnus arrests Swindle for yet anohter violation, and once again, Swindle offers a deal, leaving Magnus to wonder whether he'll start breaking the rules just to finally catch Scorponok...

==Notes==

*It has been speculated by some fans that, in animated continuity, Ultra Magnus may have been created from Orion Pax's friend [[Dion]], the same way and at the same time Prime and [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]] were rebuilt by [[Alpha Trion]].
:''For further elaboration, see [[Dion#Who_is_Dion.3F|Who is Dion?]].''

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
* '''Ultra Magnus''' (1986, 2000, 2002)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-69'''
[[Image:Ultramagnusg1toy.jpg|left|250px|thumb|Honkimus Prime.]]

: Ultra Magnus is a [[redeco]] of the [[Diaclone]] Powered Convoy toy, which itself was a redecoed Battle Convoy (pre-TF [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]) with a new trailer that combined with the cab robot to form a super robot. Whereas the original Japanese use was an upgrade to Convoy, Hasbro released him as a separate character and both the comic and the cartoon ignored the cab robot in favor of the super robot.

:Ultra Magnus transforms into a white Freightliner COE with a blue and red car-carrier trailer. He comes with a rifle that has two pegs that will fit into either the fist of the cab robot or fist of the super robot, and he also comes with two missile launchers that can plug into either the front of the trailer or the shoulders of the super robot. Additional accessories include the cab robot's fists, the super robot's fists, the super robot head, the super robot chestplate, and two crotchplates/trailer hitches.

:The original American toy was released in at least two versions -- one with rubber tires and paint on both heads, and a second with plastic tires and no paint on either head.

:Ultra Magnus was first reissued in Japan in 2000 with little to no changes. Two years later, Ultra Magnus was reissued as a Toys "R" Us exlusive in the United States in the first wave of the [[Commemorative Series]]; the American reissue's missiles were elongated to pass modern safety laws. Both reissues had rubber tires and the facial paint.

*'''Ultra Magnus Movie Preview version''' (2001)
: In the early stages of the development of the 1986 animated movie, several promotional clips for the movie were produced, including one depicting Ultra Magnus in the original Diaclone Powered Convoy color scheme. The Movie Preview toy was released in 2001 based on that brief (and premature) appearance, featuring a blue colored cab.

*'''Ultra Magnus Matrix Glow version''' (2001)
: With a yellow cab and a clear yellow trailer, Matrix Glow Ultra Magnus or Shining Magnus is intended to recall the moment in the animated movie, just before Optimus Prime dies, when the Matrix is passed to Ultra Magnus and he is bathed in its Matrixey yellow light. It was also released in 2001.

: This version is sometimes referred to by fans as "Urine Magnus", or slightly less-polite variations of the same.

===Generation 2===
* '''Laser Ultra Magnus''' (2006)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' ''' TRF-13-S'''

[[Image:G2_LaserUltraMagnus_toy.jpg|right|thumb|Probably the only Magnus repaint of Prime we'll ever get who isn't just white.]]

: An [[e-Hobby]] exclusive, ''Generation 2'' Laser Ultra Magnus is a redeco of Laser Optimus Prime, transforming into a mid-1990s Western Star 4964EX extended-hood truck pulling a blue and white tanker trailer. He was packaged in the reissue Laser Optimus Prime's box, along with Prime's instructions, bio card and sticker sheet. Yes, the stickers that have "Optimus Prime" written on them.

:In robot mode the bottom of the truck became his familiar windowed chest based upon the original Optimus Prime toy (and the original Ultra Magnus's cab). His main gimmick was light up LED headlights, and a [[lightpipe]] in the bottom of his right fist, illuminated by an LED in his right forearm, that would illuminate his clear sword or his double-barreled rifle if they were used in that hand. All three LEDs were activated simultaneously by pressing the sunroof-like depression on the roof of the truck.

:The trailer unfolds to form a battle station bristling with many firing weapons. Primarily, it can fire an air-powered missile launcher, a ripple rocket launcher with 5 missiles that can be launched individually (this turret can also be mounted in Laser Magnus' hand) and a 'disc launcher', that fired several white plastic discs. This disc launcher is the only weapon that can be used in vehicle mode.

:This release uses the toolings that were modified for the ''Robots in Disguise'' [[Scourge (RID)|Scourge]] toy, and thus has smooth discs and a less pointy sword.

===Masterpiece===
* '''Ultra Magnus''' (2004)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''MP-2'''

[[Image:Masterpiece_UltraMagnus_toy.jpg|left|thumb|He looks like this in ONE comic. ONE.]]

: ''Masterpiece'' Ultra Magnus is a white redeco of ''Masterpiece'' Convoy (Optimus Prime) with all the same accessories, though some have been redecoed. Additionally, his box can be refolded into his classic trailer configuration, but doesn't hold up since it's, well, cardboard. He retains the Matrix, which he can indeed open. Damnit, open.

: As a Takara product, ''Masterpiece'' Ultra Magnus was never released in the US, but was eventually released by Hasbro Australia in 2005 for their market as a Target-exclusive, retaining his Japanese packaging, with simple stickers stating a recommended age of 8+, as well as presenting Hasbro Australia's details and explaining what the product was.

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===Classics===
*'''Ultra Magnus vs Skywarp: Battle For Autobot City''' (Multi-pack, 2007)
[[Image:ClassicsUltraMagnus_toy.jpg|right|thumb|Arctic Camo Prime!]]

: A [[redeco]] of the Voyager class Optimus Prime, this release is part of the Target [[exclusive]] ''Battle for Autobot City'' set with [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]. The final production toy has several major paint paint application differences compared to the toy depicted on the packaging, including the loss of all light blue paint (including his faceplate and crest, both replaced with silver, darker blue on his thighs. Also his red eyes are replaced with the light piping color (blue). Additionally, it seems the smokestacks/double-barreled gun was originally going to be cast or painted white instead of the final's black.

: Like Optimus Prime, the toy's gimmicks are in his weapons - his smokestacks fold together to become a double-barreled gun, and his aero fairing splits and unfolds to become a large shotgun-like blaster. The two weapons also combine into a double-barreled shoulder cannon.

===Titanium Series===
*'''Ultra Magnus''' (6-inch Cybertron Heroes, 2007)
[[Image:TitaniumHero_UltraMagnus.jpg|left|thumb|Oh, that's right, this Ultra Magnus guy had a trailer or something, didn't he?]]

: ''Titanium Cybertron Heroes'' Ultra Magnus is an all-new sculpt constructed mostly of die-cast metal. For the first time, Ultra Magnus's cab and trailer are one piece, rather than a [[partsformer]] like the ''Generation 1'' toy version. He transforms very similarly to the original toy, but the aformentioned truck cab now folds down into his back rather than detaching and reconnecting, with his head fliping out of the back of the cab.

: Ultra Magnus is armed with a white laser rifle and two shoulder-mounted non-firing rocket launchers. Unfortunately due to the robot mode-oriented design of this figure, as well as size limitations, the rear ramp is now part of his legs as detail and cannot fold down, nor is there access for vehicles to be transported, in any case.

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*'''Ultra Magnus''' (6-inch Cybertron Heroes, 2007)

: A [[redeco]] of the 6-inch War Within Optimus Prime. In white!

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===Revoltech===

* '''Ultra Magnus''' (2007)
Ultra Magnus is, unsurprisingly, a redeco of a simultaneously-released Optimus Prime/Convoy figure. A non-transforming but ''highly'' articulate action figure, [[Revoltech]] Ultra Magnus uses the Revoltech "revolver joints" for maximum poseability. His sculpting is explicitly in the style of [[Pat Lee|Pat "serfdom" Lee]]'s interpretation of Prime.

Magnus comes with a Matrix and photon rifle accessories, as well as a few alternate hands. A unique extra "hand" is a single moulded piece of Ultra Magnus and Optimus Prime's hands clasped together diagonally, so that when attached to both the Prime and Magnus' respective wrists one can create a scene of the two Autobot leaders shakin' like homeys. Additionally, although Magnus comes preassembled with the standard black revolver joints that Prime has, his packaging includes a sheet of replacement white joints one can use to customise Magnus with less obrtusive matching white joints (although not enough joints of the right style are included to swap out all black joints to optimal effect).

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==Merchandise==
*'''Ultra Magnus''' (Super Collection Figure, 2002)

*'''Ultra Magnus''' (Heroes of Cybertron, 2003)

*'''Ultra Magnus''' (Super Collection figure, 2003)

: "Movie preview" redeco of the Ultra Magnus PVC, based on the original toy's Diaclone colour scheme as seen in early trailers for the 1986 movie.

*'''Ultra Magnus''' (Hard Hero bust, 2004)

[[Image:Ultramagnushardhero.jpg|right|thumb|100px|UHN!]]

: The cold-cast porcelain bust of Ultra Magnus was the 13th in [[Hard Hero]]'s series of Transformers busts. It was designed from line art by [[Dan Khanna]].

*'''Ultra Magnus and Megatron''' (Robot Heroes PVC, 2007)

: This is a small, non-transforming SD figurine with limited articulation from the "Robot Heroes" line, in a two pack with G1 Megatron. He may be the sassiest bitch on Cybertron.

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==Trivia==

[[Image:DiacloneMagnusAnime1.jpg|left|150px|thumb| "Do you guys think my hair would look better in blue?"]]

*In early trailers for Transformers the Movie, Ultra Magnus can be seen in alternate animated sequences in his toy's original Diaclone color scheme.

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==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Autobot/UltraMagnus/ultramagnus.htm Ultra Magnus at TFU.info]

*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Ultra_Magnus Ultra Magnus' Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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Magmatron (BW)

2007-08-08T23:10:41Z

85.195.123.29: /* ''Beast Wars Neo'' cartoon */

:''Magmatron is a [[Predacon]] and a [[Dinobot]] in the [[Beast Wars]] and [[Beast Machines]] portions of the [[Generation 1]] continuity''

[[Image:Magmatronbm.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Part robot, part 3 different prehistoric animals, and he can ''dance''.]]

As befits a decorated Warrior-General, '''Magmatron''' is capable of both elegant, reasoned judgement and wild, vicious action. Once he has set his sights on a goal his drive to achieve it is unwavering and he will accept nothing less than total victory. Despite these attributes, and prodigious physical power, Magmatron's greatest advantage often lies in his charismatic leadership. Revered and admired by his soldiers, Magmatron fits the title "[[Emperor of Destruction]]" better than most.

On the surface Magmatron seems to have much in common with [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]. Both are schemers and planners, willing to subvert the established Predacon power structure to suit their plans and ultimate ambition for power. Their key difference lies in their relationships to that power structure. Megatron is at heart a rebel, working outside existing society. Magmatron, on the other hand, values his position of power and eminence in the current Predacon hierarchy, and though he schemes to someday stand at the top of that body, he is unwilling to risk his current high standings any more than he must to achieve those future goals.

Magmatron possesses a [[wikipedia:mitosis|mitotic]] [[spark]] which allows him to separate into three dinosaur forms called '''Landsaur''', '''Seasaur''', and '''Skysaur'''.

==Fiction==
===''Beast Wars Neo'' cartoon===
'''Voice actor:''' ''[[Show Ryuzanji]] (Japan)''

After the defeat of [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]], Magmatron(who suffers from a similar chronic grin, even while talking) became the new [[Predacon]] [[Emperor of Destruction]]. A loyal and effective servant to the cause of Predacon equality on [[Cybertron]], Magmatron was perfectly suited for the job. He had a long-standing rivalry with [[Big Convoy]], though there was a mutual respect between the two enemies.

On board his ship the [[Dinosaur]], he tracked Big Convoy and his [[Maximal]] recruits to the planet [[Gaia]] where he learned of the [[Angolmois]] capsules that had been launched from the self-destructing [[Nemesis (BWII)|Nemesis]]. Magmatron immediately set a course to track them down, desiring their incredible power. Competing with Big Convoy, Magmatron secured numerous capsules for the Predacons.

However, he did not keep them long. The [[Blentron]]s, a trio of super-powerful and freakish Transformers, stole the capsules from both factions. As it turned out, the Angolmois energy was really the lifeforce of [[Unicron]]. Offering up Galvatron's corpse as a new body, the Blentrons released the Angolmois energy and Unicron was reborn.

Magmatron immediately challenged the Chaos Bringer but was quickly vanquished into a wormhole, leaving his crew of Predacons leaderless and rather ineffective. Magmatron escaped the wormhole toward the end of the Unicron battle, after Unicron had possessed Vector Sigma, and willingly fought side-by-side with Big Convoy and the Maximals to stop their mutual enemy.

After a lengthy battle, Unicron was defeated and driven from Vector Sigma by Big Convoy's Matrix Buster. Putting aside their rivalry, Big Convoy and Magmatron formed an alliance. The Maximals and Predacons then worked side-by-side and hand-in-hand to rebuild their ravaged planet.

===''Beast Wars Neo'' manga===
Magmatron and all his forces were changed into Transformers from actual animals by the power of the [[Angolmois]] capsules. Magmatron and [[Big Convoy]] battled across the cosmos, until Magmatron was finally felled by the might of [[Unicron]]. In his dying moments, he repented of his wrong-doings, and indeed, Big Convoy struck the blow that finished Unicron once and for all with Magmatron's own sword.

===IDW Beast Wars comics===
[[Image:Magmatron cybertronian.jpg|thumb|Apparently, one of his vehicle modes has tentacles... What the Hell could he possibly turn into? Eat your heart out, Doc Ock!]]

Magmatron is a schemer, and forms an elegant and tightly-knit plan to travel backwards in time to prehistoric [[Earth]] and reprogram all of the remaining [[protoform]] [[Maximal]]s into [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]].

Tired of waiting for the [[Tripredacus Council]] to act, Magmatron recruited a small band of disenchanted warriors. Keeping his plans secret until the last moment, he revealed that the Council has ordered him to pick up where their [[Ravage (G1)|previous agent]] failed: capture the rogue [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]].

Chronally displacing his crew, so that they could not be detected by the beast warriors who are already there, they set to work. He ordered [[Razorbeast]] to begin activating the [[stasis pod]]s while [[Spittor]], [[Manterror]], [[Transquito]], and [[Iguanus (BW)|Iguanus]] reported on their progress. They witnessed the birth of three Predacons, but Spittor was greeted by the Maximal [[Polar Claw]]. More Maximals were spotted, revealing Razorbeast as a spy. The red warthog escaped into the wilderness. {{storylink|The Gathering, Part 1}}

Once his new army was assembled, Magmatron ordered them to hunt down the Maximals. [[Drill Bit (BW)|Drill Bit]] and Spittor, however, accompanied Magmatron on his personal quest to find Razobeast. He located the spy and quickly gained the upper hand with his three dinosaur modes. But Razorbeast pulled a fast one, and buried the Predacon leader beneath a mountainside. Magmatron soon recouped his losses by recovering the [[spark]] of the Tripredacus agent, [[Ravage]]. {{storylink|The Gathering, Part 2}}

Iguanus, having located a blank protoform, assisted Magmatron with rebirthing Ravage in a new, [[Transmetal 2]] body. After issuing seek-and-destroy orders to his new lieutenant, Magmatron set forth on his next mission. He located Megatron, and the two engaged in battle. Megatron insisted that Magmatron was foolish for coming after him alone, as Ravage did, but Magmatron was not alone. Iguanus and Drill Bit ambushed Megatron.

With the [[transwarp shunt]] set up and ready to send Megatron into the hands of the Council, it was with reluctance that Magmatron again did battle. This time, an intruding [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] challenged the Predacon schemer. A tough fight, Magmatron's triple beast modes eventually won out. Grimlock was enough of a distraction, however, to let Razorbeast and [[Optimus Minor]] enter his camp. Magmatron was thwarted by Razorbeast in hand-to-hand combat. As the Predacon lunged toward Minor, who is sitting upon the unconscious Megatron, the monkey activated a chronal displacement device. This sent Megatron back into his own chronal place, making Magmatron stumble onto the transwarp shunt. Razorbeast activated it, sending the warlord to parts unknown. {{storylink|The Gathering, Part 4}}

===''Universe: The Wreckers'' comics===

Magmatron had become the leader of the new Dinobots, and led them to a mission given to them by the [[Oracle]]. The mission was a trap, and Magmatron and his Dinobots were attacked by the [[Trans-Organic]]s.

==Toys==
===Beast Wars Neo===
*'''Magmatron''' (Ultra, 1999)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-35'''

:Magmatron was first available in Japan, both individually and in a two-pack with Big Convoy. He transforms into three prehistoric reptiles- a Quetzalcoatlus, a Giganotosaurus, and an Elasmosaurus. The three can combine into some horrible, chimeric dragon-like creature.

*'''Big Convoy vs Magmatron''' (Vs pack, 1999)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''VS-35'''

===Beast Machines===
*'''Magmatron''' (Ultra, 2000)

:For ''[[Beast Machines]]'', Magmatron was brought over in a box that reflected his Japanese origin. He was only slightly changed from his original release, with his missiles and sword "rounded off" in order to better conform with US safety laws. He was available as an [[exclusive]] to Target stores.

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1999/Destron/Magmatron/magmatron.htm Magmatron at TFU.info]

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Emperor of Destruction

2007-08-08T23:00:28Z

85.195.123.29: If Deathy is the 5th, and Overlord is the 4th dosn't that make either Scorponok of Devil Z the 3rd?

:''Emperor of Destruction is a rank used in all Japanese continuities.''

The term '''"Emperor of Destruction"''' (破壊大帝'', Hakai Taitei'') refers to the highest-ranking member of the [[Decepticon]] or [[Predacon]] military. The Emperor of Destruction is the Supreme Commander of the entire race, bowing to no higher authority.

It is comparable to the rank of [[Supreme Commander]] of the [[Autobot]] forces.

==Known Emperors of Destruction (Decepticon)==

*[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]
*[[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]
*[[Overlord (G1)|Overlord]]
*[[Deathsaurus]]
*[[Violen Jygar]]

Deathsaurus's [[Tech Spec]] bio notes that he "suceeded Overlord as the fifth Decepticon leader," indicating that, following the deaths of the higher-ranking [[Devil Z]] and [[Scorponok (G1)|BlackZarak]], he held the rank for the period between ''[[Masterforce]]'' and ''[[Victory (franchise)|Victory]]''.

==Known Emperors of Destruction (Predacon)==
*[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]
*[[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]]
*[[Magmatron]]

==Similar titles==

There are other similar titles to "Emperor of Destruction", including:
*Emperor of Terror (恐怖大帝'', Kyōfu Taitei'') ([[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok/Mega Zarak]])
*Emperor of Darkness (暗黒大帝'', Ankoku Taitei'') ([[Scorponok (G1)|Black Zarak]])
*President of Darkness (闇の総統'', Yami no Soutou'') ([[Devil Z]])
*Ambassador of Destruction (破壊大使'', Hakai Taishi'') ([[Overlord (G1)|Overlord]])
*Duke/Archduke of Destruction (破壊公爵／破壊大公) ([[Megastorm|Megastorm/Gigastorm]])
*Dark God of Destruction/Ultimate God of Destruction (闇の破壊神/究極破壊神'', ???/Kyūkyoku Hakaijin'') ([[Megatron (RID)|Gigatron/Devil Gigatron]])

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Talk:Spider-Man

2007-08-08T19:34:50Z

85.195.123.29: /* Transformers/New Avengers */

You really can be a tool sometimes,Willis.

I know! But here's my explanation. Mentioning "616" Spiderman is breaking the fourth wall of the entry. Also, mentioning the real-life movies, though funny, implies to me that those were events which occurred in the Transformers comics themselves, which is obviously not the case. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:49, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't know. I don't think these articles have a fourth wall. [[User:24.3.227.249|24.3.227.249]] 12:08, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
: I dunno about that, I agree with Walky. I mean, we don't have a full detailed article on [[New York]], and we shouldn't, even though it has shown up in Transformers before. This is just about Transformers, so we shouldn't be wasting time on stuff that isn't relevant. So Spider-Man's (or New York's, or anything else) entry should just be limited to stuff pertaining to Transformers; if they want more detail, they can look at, say, [http://en.wikipedia.org Wikipedia]. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 19:33, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
::Agreed. If you want details of Spider-Man's career, check a Marvel Wiki. This is the TF wiki, where Spidey is pretty much a footnote, just like [[SHIELD]], [[Dazzler]], and [[Godzilla]]. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 19:51, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Why is this listed under Attacktix? -[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 06:33, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Because there are multiple upcoming Attacktix Spider-Men? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:51, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

==Transformers/New Avengers==
So, what's this crossover going to do to this page? :) - [[User:82.10.138.152|82.10.138.152]]
: Make us all very sad. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:30, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

::I really wish the crossover was in the current era, so you could have black-costume-spidey again. ...oh well. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:03, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

You know, there's no reason to assume they're the same spider-man... --[[User:Chiasaur11|Chiasaur11]]
: Yeah, but at that point, we're taking the joke too far. We just have to own up to the crossover ruining our awesome page. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:49, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

:And the crossover looks lame. We're losing an awesome page for nothing. Unless we treat it like IDW/marvel optimus. If spidey doesn't recognize megatron, we've got reasonable motive! --[[User:Chiasaur11|Chiasaur11]]

::It's a different Spiderman. Can't we just do Spiderman(616) and Spiderman(120185)? [[User:85.195.123.29|85.195.123.29]] 19:34, 8 August 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Puppet

2007-08-04T02:37:18Z

85.195.123.29:

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Overload forged by the Matrix/Minicons/Minicons via the Matrix when they brought Prime back to life? [[User:85.195.123.29|85.195.123.29]] 02:15, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:Going from memory, the suit was seen in the matrix-vision for about 2 seconds during Prime's resurrection. So... yes. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:20, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:That's the IMPLICATION, though there was never, well, confirmation within the show itself. The ML Yearbook has a sidebar on Overload that MIGHT explain it. I know Ichikawa wanted to address the issue in Linkage, but didn't have the space to. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:23, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

::If there's an implication there should still be acknowledgment of it. It's still better than "Uh this guy showed up one day." [[User:85.195.123.29|85.195.123.29]] 02:37, 4 August 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Puppet

2007-08-04T02:19:20Z

85.195.123.29: /* Miscellaneous trivia */

'''Autobots and Decepticons land on a mysterious planet where there's an evil version of Optimus.'''

=Armada Episode 43=
* [[Canada|Canadian]] air date: September 19th, 2003
* American air date: November 7, 2003
* Preceded by: [[Miracle]]
* Followed by: [[Uprising]]
* Characters (in order of appearance: [[Megatron (UT)|Megatron]], [[Demolishor]], [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]], [[Hot Shot (UT)|Hot Shot]], [[Red Alert (UT)|Red Alert]], [[Starscream (UT)|Starscream]], [[Nemesis Prime (Armada)|Nemesis Prime]], [[Optimus Prime (UT)|Prime]], [[Overload (Armada)|Overload]], [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]]

==Synopsis==

On the bridge of [[Hydra Cannon|his ship]], Megatron blogs to himself about how happy he is that Optimus is alive again, which confuses his minions.

On top pf the hull of the [[Axalon (Armada)|Axalon]], Optimus gets reintroduced to his crew, and the [[Mini-Cons]] escorting the ship. But the welcoming party is cut short by an electrical space anomaly that suddenly appeared in the ship's path. Hot Shot ad Red Alert are pulled into the hole, which fades away.

On a strange alien landscape, Hot Shot and Red Alert reawaken. Red Alert quickly acts responsibly and sends a beacon to the Autobot ship. Next, the two survey the irregular terrain they arrive in. A dark copy of Optimus Prime assaults and chases the two.

Elsewhere, the [[Decepticons]] begin their hunt on the planet for their enemies. Their attention is brought to the noise of the Autobot's fight. The three Decepticons transform to assist the black scourge who introduces himself as Nemesis Prime. Using an amazing ability to alter his own shape, Nemesis Prime turns on Megatron, holding the Decepticon leader in the air.

The Decepticons and Autobots both fight against Nemesis Prime, but the battle quickly comes down to Megatron resorting to the use of the [[Requiem Blaster]]. The resulting explosion destroys the Prime-doppleganger and damages the Autobots.

In space, the [[Mini-Cons]] guide the Autobot ship to the planet with their two missing friends.

Megatron prepares to finish off both Autobots. Starscream interjects, suggesting using the Autobots as captives. Megatron buys Starscream's disguised compassion. Nemesis Prime re-forms from fragments on the ground and battles the Decepticons again, this time with [[Vorpal Saber|a sword]], but the arrival of [[Mini-Cons]] takes the menace down. Before they leave again, the Mini-cons bathe the gathered bulks in energy, repairing them and giving the large transformers as well as themselves new colors and a boost in power.

The Axalon arrives over the planet, dropping Optimus and Overload onto the surface. A giant Nemesis Prime emerges from the ground for a third attempt at destroying the Transformers. When Optimus and Megatron combine their ordinance, the creature finally dies, revealing a brief transparent image of [[Sideways (UT)|Sideways]] before vanishing. With Nemesis Prime destroyed, the planet begins to disintegrate, and so the Autobots and Decepticons return to their ships and continue on their voyage to [[Cybertron]]

==Quotes==

"Nemesis Prime will... destroy!"
:'''-Nemesis Prime'''

"This fighting must end."
:'''-Leader-1'''

"I look like.... Thundercracker."
:'''-Starscream'''

"As Galvatron, I have even more power!"
:'''-Meg-err, Galvatron'''

==Other notes==

===Animation and/or technical glitches===
* None known.

===Continuity errors===
*Optimus doesn't wish to use the Space Team Mini-Cons as weapons but has no problem suggesting Megatron to use them?

===Real-world references===
* None known.

===Miscellaneous trivia===
* The intro to the episode has a unique narration that mentions the kids, which flows into a recap of [[Miracle|the last episode]].
* Nemesis Prime has a trailer in the animation, the toy does not. Thanks allot [[Aaron Archer|Orson's World]]
* Why couldn't Prime have arrived on the planet seconds before the Mini-Con and received his [[Powerlinx]] colors like the rest of the Transformers with Powerlinx colors? Only Stephen Colbert knows, and he's not telling.
* Thrust and Cyclonus also had Powerlinx colorations that were never used in the series.
* Overload's sudden appearance was on the "to-do" list of things to be explained in the [[Linkage]] series, but there was never time for it. So all we can infer is that it's a big weapon set that for whatever reason Prime was unable to bring to battle before.

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Puppet

2007-08-04T02:16:23Z

85.195.123.29:

'''Autobots and Decepticons land on a mysterious planet where there's an evil version of Optimus.'''

=Armada Episode 43=
* [[Canada|Canadian]] air date: September 19th, 2003
* American air date: November 7, 2003
* Preceded by: [[Miracle]]
* Followed by: [[Uprising]]
* Characters (in order of appearance: [[Megatron (UT)|Megatron]], [[Demolishor]], [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]], [[Hot Shot (UT)|Hot Shot]], [[Red Alert (UT)|Red Alert]], [[Starscream (UT)|Starscream]], [[Nemesis Prime (Armada)|Nemesis Prime]], [[Optimus Prime (UT)|Prime]], [[Overload (Armada)|Overload]], [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]]

==Synopsis==

On the bridge of [[Hydra Cannon|his ship]], Megatron blogs to himself about how happy he is that Optimus is alive again, which confuses his minions.

On top pf the hull of the [[Axalon (Armada)|Axalon]], Optimus gets reintroduced to his crew, and the [[Mini-Cons]] escorting the ship. But the welcoming party is cut short by an electrical space anomaly that suddenly appeared in the ship's path. Hot Shot ad Red Alert are pulled into the hole, which fades away.

On a strange alien landscape, Hot Shot and Red Alert reawaken. Red Alert quickly acts responsibly and sends a beacon to the Autobot ship. Next, the two survey the irregular terrain they arrive in. A dark copy of Optimus Prime assaults and chases the two.

Elsewhere, the [[Decepticons]] begin their hunt on the planet for their enemies. Their attention is brought to the noise of the Autobot's fight. The three Decepticons transform to assist the black scourge who introduces himself as Nemesis Prime. Using an amazing ability to alter his own shape, Nemesis Prime turns on Megatron, holding the Decepticon leader in the air.

The Decepticons and Autobots both fight against Nemesis Prime, but the battle quickly comes down to Megatron resorting to the use of the [[Requiem Blaster]]. The resulting explosion destroys the Prime-doppleganger and damages the Autobots.

In space, the [[Mini-Cons]] guide the Autobot ship to the planet with their two missing friends.

Megatron prepares to finish off both Autobots. Starscream interjects, suggesting using the Autobots as captives. Megatron buys Starscream's disguised compassion. Nemesis Prime re-forms from fragments on the ground and battles the Decepticons again, this time with [[Vorpal Saber|a sword]], but the arrival of [[Mini-Cons]] takes the menace down. Before they leave again, the Mini-cons bathe the gathered bulks in energy, repairing them and giving the large transformers as well as themselves new colors and a boost in power.

The Axalon arrives over the planet, dropping Optimus and Overload onto the surface. A giant Nemesis Prime emerges from the ground for a third attempt at destroying the Transformers. When Optimus and Megatron combine their ordinance, the creature finally dies, revealing a brief transparent image of [[Sideways (UT)|Sideways]] before vanishing. With Nemesis Prime destroyed, the planet begins to disintegrate, and so the Autobots and Decepticons return to their ships and continue on their voyage to [[Cybertron]]

==Quotes==

"Nemesis Prime will... destroy!"
:'''-Nemesis Prime'''

"This fighting must end."
:'''-Leader-1'''

"I look like.... Thundercracker."
:'''-Starscream'''

"As Galvatron, I have even more power!"
:'''-Meg-err, Galvatron'''

==Other notes==

===Animation and/or technical glitches===
* None known.

===Continuity errors===
*Optimus doesn't wish to use the Space Team Mini-Cons as weapons but has no problem suggesting Megatron to use them?

===Real-world references===
* None known.

===Miscellaneous trivia===
* The intro to the episode has a unique narration that mentions the kids, which flows into a recap of [[Miracle|the last episode]].
* Nemesis Prime's has a trailer in the animation, the toy does not.
* Why couldn't Prime have arrived on the planet seconds before the Mini-Con and received his [[Powerlinx]] colors like the rest of the Transformers with Powerlinx colors? Only Stephen Colbert knows, and he's not telling.
* Thrust and Cyclonus also had Powerlinx colorations that were never used in the series.
* Overload's sudden appearance was on the "to-do" list of things to be explained in the [[Linkage]] series, but there was never time for it. So all we can infer is that it's a big weapon set that for whatever reason Prime was unable to bring to battle before.

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Talk:Puppet

2007-08-04T02:15:07Z

85.195.123.29: New page: Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Overload forged by the Matrix/Minicons/Minicons via the Matrix when they brought Prime back to life? ~~~~

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Overload forged by the Matrix/Minicons/Minicons via the Matrix when they brought Prime back to life? [[User:85.195.123.29|85.195.123.29]] 02:15, 4 August 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Jazz (G1)

2007-07-20T04:32:50Z

85.195.123.29:

Jazz's crackhead Star TV name, I could've sworn it was "Maestro", not "Marshall". Any agreement on this or am I going to have to summon the energy to pop in my DVD? ''Please'' don't make me do that. ''Please''. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 02:56, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
: I still haven't seen the Star TV dubs yet, making me feel special, yet missing out on the jokes :( --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:15, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

'''In fact, there is not one Autobot who doesn't like or admire Jazz.'''<br>
What about Grimlock?
--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 14:09, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
: Well, Jazz is good at what he does. Maybe Grimlock 'admires' him for that? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:15, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
::They seemed pretty antagonistic towards one another the end of the G1 Marvel run. Plus I think a "Except for Grimlock." statement would be humerous enough to warrent it's existance. --[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 14:18, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
::: I think you can hate somebody (or at least dislike them) yet at the same time admire them for whatever they're good at. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:28, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
:::: Whoops, I was getting Prowl confused with Jazz.. Carry on. --[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 16:31, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

==Movie move?==
Just as [[Bumblebee]] was moved to [[Bumblebee (G1)]], so too should this article be moved to [[Jazz (G1)]]? - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 00:29, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

==Deputy Commander?==
Was he one? [[User:85.195.123.29|85.195.123.29]] 04:32, 20 July 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Ultra Magnus (G1)

2007-07-20T04:18:22Z

85.195.123.29: /* External links */ Hot Rod gave up Supreme Comandership in Kissplay, and Autobots still had control of Cybertron at that point.

{{disambig3|Ultra Magnus}}

:''Ultra Magnus is an [[Autobot]] in the [[Generation 1]] continuity family.''

[[Image:Ultramagnusg1.jpg|250px|right|thumb|He can't deal with you right now!]]

'''Ultra Magnus''' feels he is a soldier and nothing more. He very much prefers taking orders to giving them, and even avoids opportunities for higher responsibility. But when he is forced into those opportunities, he betrays his real talent for the job. He's strong, resolute, dependable, selfless, and courageous. Sadly, Ultra Magnus is the only Autobot who doesn't realize this.

Believing he is nothing but a soldier, Ultra Magnus is perfectly willing to sacrifice himself for the greater good if need be. He knows he's more powerful than the average Autobot, and will throw himself at larger threats accordingly. There is a special enmity between him and [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] for this reason, for Galvatron may be the most deadly foe of all. (Also, Galvatron, given his mental state, probably doesn't approve of people he's had blown up getting back up afterward. This can be seen as a sore point for Magnus, too.)

He is possibly [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]'s brother.

:''Italian name'': '''Convoy'''<br>
:''French-Canadian name'': '''Ultramag'''

==Fiction==
===Animated continuity===
Voice actors: [[Robert Stack]] → [[Jack Angel]] (US); [[Show Hayami]] (Japan)

By 2005, Ultra Magnus was the full-fledged City Commander for [[Autobot City]]. Autobot City was under his authority when Megatron and the Decepticons waged their full-scale attack. Ultra Magnus ordered [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] and [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] to transform it to battle-mode, but it only held the Decepticons off for so long. In the fight, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] was mortally wounded and passed the [[Matrix]] of Leadership on to Ultra Magnus, making Magnus the new Supreme Commander of the Autobots.

Autobot City was quickly attacked a second time by [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], the upgraded version of [[Megatron (G1)| Megatron]]. Ultra Magnus lured him away on his shuttle, but was eventually shot-down onto the [[Junkion (planet)|Planet of Junk]]. Galvatron tracked him there and Ultra Magnus managed to draw him away from the other Autobots to face the enemy alone. Magnus attempted to open the Matrix, but the Matrix would not open, and Ultra Magnus was blown to pieces. Galvatron took the Matrix, intending to use it to destroy [[Unicron]].

After the Autobots befriended the [[Junkion]]s, they used their expertise to rebuild Ultra Magnus. Magnus joined the other Autobots in the battle with Unicron on [[Cybertron]] and helped drive the last of the Decepticons from their home planet. {{Storylink|The Transformers: The Movie (1986)}}

In 2006 (or 2010, if you're Japanese), Ultra Magnus ceased his role as a City Commander and became head-adviser to [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]], the new Supreme Commander of the Autobots and chosen one of the Matrix. At various times he was [[The Killing Jar|sucked into a black hole]], [[Only Human|turned into a synthetic human]] and [[Surprise Party|had a birthday party]].

When the [[Hate Plague]] possessed all of Earth and Cybertron, Ultra Magnus singled Rodimus Prime out of all the other Autobots and focused all his rage on him, vowing to track him wherever he went. Ultra Magnus was eventually cured of the Hate Plague when Optimus Prime came back from the dead (again). {{Storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime}}

Some time later, Ultra Magnus helped defend Autobot City from a massive Decepticon assault, which was actually a diversion for the theft of the key to the [[Plasma Energy Chamber]]. Subsequent to the battle and discovery of the theft, Magnus accompanied Optimus Prime on a shuttle to Cybertron. After Prime got the answers he needed from [[Vector Sigma]], he decided to go to [[Nebulos]] and left Ultra Magnus in charge of Cybertron. {{Storylink|The Rebirth, Part 1}}

Ultra Magnus' tenure didn't go very well, as the selfsame massive Decepticon assault force was attacking the planet. Nonetheless, he and the [[Protectobot]]s struck at Galvatron, and may well have done him in if [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s reinforcements hadn't arrived. Magnus then ignominiously had his [[power pack]] torn out and slowly began to die from lack of energon. Still, he was able to relay Galvatron's crazed scheme to Optimus Prime and the Autobot [[Headmaster]]s before blacking out.

When Ultra Magnus next awoke, the Golden Age of Cybertron had come anew, and the Decepticons were seemingly defeated once and for all. {{Storylink|The Rebirth, Part 3}}

====Japanese animated continuity====

=====''Scramble City'' OVA=====
Voice actor: [[Banjō Ginga]] (Japan)

''(Note: Scramble City takes place before the events of [[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|Transformers the Movie]].)''

Ultra Magnus first came to Earth around the year 1986 to head-up the [[Scramble City]] (AKA [[Autobot City]]) project. Under his supervision, [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] was built. Unfortunately, Metroplex was discovered by the spy [[Ratbat]] under Ultra Magnus' watch, who leaked the location back to Megatron.

=====''The Headmasters''=====
Voice actor: [[Hōchū Ōtsuka|Yoshitada Ōtsuka]] (Japan)

Ultra Magnus continued his work as Commander of Autobot City on Earth and was instrumental in several victories over the Decepticons. Because of this, [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]] singled him out for assasination. Ultra Magnus and Sixshot engaged in a one-on-one duel outside Autobot City, and Ultra Magnus was completely wrecked by Sixshot's six transformations. He was finally done in by Sixshot's mysterious 7th transformation, "Wingwolf". After his death, Ultra Magnus was placed in a coffin and buried on Earth, the planet he loved so dearly.

====Japanese manga====
=====Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformer=====

''(The "Fight! Super Robot Life Transformer" manga takes place before the events of Transformers the Movie and around the events of Scramble City)''

Ultra Magnus first appeared to deliver Optimus Prime his trailer, containing a special cannon upgrade, the "Scramble Power Buster". They engage the Decepticons in battle and Ultra Magnus and Optimus Prime team-up to defeat the villains with their "Convoy Magnus Double Cross Kick".

Ultra Magnus also came up with the idea for the global underground transportation system, the [[Autobot Road]].

''(The manga specifically notes that Optimus Prime looks upon Ultra Magnus as his "Kid Brother". Although the manga is a suppliment to the TV series, this family-dynamic between the two characters was never used in the cartoon.)''

=====The Transformer=====

=====Transformer: Big War=====

====''Kiss Players'' continuity====

When [[Rodimus Prime]]'s defeat of [[Galvatron]] in 2005 led to the catastrophic destruction of [[Tokyo]], the new Autobot leader was consumed by guilt. He passed on the [[Matrix]] to Ultra Magnus in order to revert to [[Hot Rod]] and return to [[Earth]].

===Ladybird books continuity===
Ultra Magnus came from Cybertron to take over leadership of the Autobots after Optimus Prime disappeared. He is opposed by [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] as Decpticon leader and this is presented as a prolonged status quo rather than the rather brief version of this scenario presented in the animated continuity. Furthermore [[Spike Witwicky]] appears to still be a teenager at this point, making a setting date of 2005 unlikely.
Ultra Magnus functioning as Prime's successor for some time rather than being immediately replaced by [[Hot Rod|Rodimus Prime]] is presented in this and other [[Micro-continuity|micro-continuities]] based on the action figure line rather than the film.

===Marvel Comics UK continuity===
:''('''Note''': Ultra Magnus appeared only in the Marvel UK books.)''

The remaining Autobot elders spent years designing Ultra Magnus, a leader to lift the resistance out of a deep darkness. He was finally given life in or shortly before 1986<ref>Ultra Magnus profile in Marvel UK #83</ref> for Operation Volcano. His role was to act as the crucial back-up needed for the [[Wreckers]] to successfully destroy their Decepticon targets and then escape in one piece. A serious complication arose when the Matrix Flame, the sacred and eternal blaze linked directly to the [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]] itself, suddenly extinguished. Fearing that something catastrophic had occurred on Earth to the Matrix and its bearer, Optimus Prime, Emirate Xaaron made the decision to send Ultra Magnus to that planet to investigate, even though Operation Volcano was unstoppably set to begin in ten cycles. Magnus travelled to Earth by way of [[Space Bridge]], and found the Ark's crew engaged in a deadly conflict with three new, yet unspeakably powerful, Decepticon warriors just as their leaders Optimus Prime, [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]], and [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] vanished before their optic sensors. Initially concerned only with his investigation of Prime's sudden disappearance, Ultra Magnus ignored the plight of his fellow Autobots until he learned the two situations were linked; [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] and his lieutenants were time-travelers from 2006, having employed a mass-substitution mechanism that sent the three Autobots into limbo in order to accommodate their presence at this point in the timeline. This connection was revealed to him by three Autobots from 2006, who had traveled back in time themselves in order to stop Galvatron. They had a plan; they had the means; all they needed was for Ultra Magnus to keep him busy for, oh...an hour or two.

Easier said than done.

Magnus's battle with Galvatron carried them out of the isolated wilderness and onto a human freeway system. It ended when Ultra Magnus threw a tanker truck full of fuel into the path of Galvatron's particle cannon. Galvatron walked away from the blast -- Magnus didn't. Still, the future Autobots succeeded in tricking Galvatron into returning to the future with his plan incomplete, and the timeline more-or-less preserved. Unfortunately, Magnus was out of time: Operation Volcano proceeded without him, with disastrous results. Only one Decepticon was taken out, and the Wreckers' leader Impactor was killed protecting Xaaron. {{Storylink|Target 2006}}

Ultra Magnus would not meet his counterpart, Optimus Prime, until Prime was inadvertently transported back to Cybertron in battle with Megatron. Hooking up with [[Straxus|Lord Straxus]] at [[Polyhex]], [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] quickly disseminated false information about a new Decepticon madeover to look exactly like Optimus Prime, planning to infiltrate the Autobot forces. Having temporarily assumed control of the Wreckers until their new leader, [[Springer]], was ready for command, Ultra Magnus led them in hunting down the "imposter". This Prime's behavior led Magnus to be suspicious of his information and, after summoning Emirate Xaaron, confirmed his suspicions and welcomed the true Optimus Prime back to Cybertron. Prime wasted no time leading Magnus and the others on a series of successful raids and strike missions against Decepticon-controlled territory. When Optimus decided to return home to Earth, however, Ultra Magnus was caught up in the space bridge's energy discharge as well, arriving on Earth but some considerable distance away from where Prime materialized. Having been frustrated ever since Impactor's death, Magnus welcomed the "vacation" this trip to Earth would provide him, as he took his time trying to track down the Ark's location.

For months, Ultra Magnus enjoyed a peaceful life in the American forests and wilderness, alone with his thoughts. A sudden seismic disturbance brought him back to reality, though, and into contact with three human females whose vehicle had been overturned by the tremor. One in particular, Cindy, took quite a liking to Magnus. As they travelled together to explore a nearby volcano and its connection to the tremors, Magnus was forced back into combat thanks to the arrival of his old sparring partner, the future Decepticon known as Galvatron. Galvatron had constructed a magma siphon atop the volcano's peak, and planned to convert the raw power of a volcanic eruption into enough energy to transform him into a god. Ultra Magnus teamed up with several Autobots from the future, who were trying to bring Galvatron back with them to face justice. Once again, Magnus was used as a "distraction" (read: living punching bag) while the future Autobots set up their plan to override Galvatron's time-jump mechanism and send them all back where they came from. Despite Ultra Magnus successfully getting the slag beat out of him, the override proved unsuccessful, sending only the Autobots back to 2007 and leaving Magnus virtually alone to deal with the fighting-mad Galvatron. Barely managing to rally his courage, Ultra Magnus threw himself into combat with Galvatron one more time, keeping him busy until the volcano exploded, destroying the power siphon and encasing both warriors in molten lava.

Several months later, Ultra Magnus was dug out of the volcano by the [[Sparkabot|Sparkler Mini-Bots]]. They had been sent to Earth by Springer to monitor the volcano in case Galvatron ever got free. When Galvatron DID free himself several days earlier, though, they found themselves hopelessly outmatched, and hoped Magnus would have better luck. Sadly, the severe beatings Galvatron had routinely handed out to Ultra Magnus, combined with the final excrutiating submergence in molten lava, had nearly unhinged the Autobot's mind, leaving him with a pathological fear of his tormentor. Confronted with Galvatron, Magnus would probably have gone fetal if that pose had any meaning for his people. As the Sparklers heroically tried to stand up to Galvatron anyway, Ultra Magnus saw his rescuers in grave danger and finally managed to push his fear aside and reclaim enough confidence to batter the Decepticon into a temporary retreat. {{Storylink|Salvage!}}

Having renewed his fighting spirit, Ultra Magnus arranged to return to Cybertron with his companions in order to report on Galvatron's activities and hopefully gather the Wreckers for a counter-offensive. Instead, they found the Autobot base in Kalis full of battle signs, and the entire surrounding city-state a virtual "ghost-town". After confronting a legion of robot zombies, the Autobots eventually learned that a crazed scientist named [[Flame (UK comic)|Flame]] was trying to re-engineer the entire planet as a giant spacecraft, setting off an unstable fusion reactor beneath the planet's surface as a power source. With the help of the Wreckers and the Decepticons [[Flywheels]] and [[Trypticon]], Ultra Magnus and his team managed to put an end to Flame's maniacal scheme.

Ultra Magnus and the Wreckers then began preparations to return to Earth and confront the threat of Galvatron, finally, once and for all, and then...*poof*. The Wreckers went to Earth alone, and Ultra Magnus was never seen nor heard from again.

===Blackthorne Transformers In 3-D continuity===

===PD Type mini-comics===

At one point, the [[Blackball]] was left in the safekeeping of Ultra Magnus. Galvatron, catching Magnus by surprise, managed to blow him up with a powerful energy blast from his fusion cannon. Recovering the Blackball, Galvatron began to gloat about his victory. That's when Magnus' body hurled his head at Galvatron like a bowling ball, causing the [[Emperor of Destruction]] to fall over like a set of pins and drop the Blackball. That's ''using your head'', Magnus! *sigh*

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:Magnuslongshot.jpg|left|thumb|250px|And then Takara saw this and were all like, "Oh, crap, that's right, we can do redecos, can't we?"]]
{{-}}

===IDW comics continuity===
{{spoiler}}
Ultra Magnus' concept has been tweaked somewhat to fit within Simon Furman's Cold War-influenced G1 reboot continuity; although still a soldier, Magnus' role is similar to that of an Interpol officer. Specifically, he is an agent of the Tyrest Accord. Although never detailed, this Accord seems to be part of a greater Code of Interplanetary Conflict, some form of treaty between Autobots, Decepticons and other alien races. As an enforcer of the Accord, Magnus hunts down any Transformers, Autobots or Decepticons alike, who illegally sell or distribute Cybertronian technology, handing them over to their superiors for prosecution.

One such violation saw Magnus pursue [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] to the planet Zull. After arresting the Combaticon, Magnus reluctantly released Swindle in exchange for the current whereabouts of an even greater offender: [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]. Magnus has a personal grudge against Scorponok, who is the Autobot's polar opposite; while Magnus sets great stock in rules, Scorponik flouts them. Magnus follows Swindle's lead to the planet [[Nebulos]], but although he disrupts Scorponok's operations, the Decepticon is able to escape.

Later on, Magnus arrests Swindle for yet anohter violation, and once again, Swindle offers a deal, leaving Magnus to wonder whether he'll start breaking the rules just to finally catch Scorponok...

==Notes==

*It has been speculated by some fans that, in animated continuity, Ultra Magnus may have been created from Orion Pax's friend [[Dion]], the same way and at the same time Prime and [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]] were rebuilt by [[Alpha Trion]].
:''For further elaboration, see [[Dion#Who_is_Dion.3F|Who is Dion?]].''

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
* '''Ultra Magnus''' (1986, 2000, 2002)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-69'''
[[Image:Ultramagnusg1toy.jpg|left|250px|thumb|Honkimus Prime.]]

: Ultra Magnus is a [[redeco]] of the [[Diaclone]] Powered Convoy toy, which itself was a redecoed Battle Convoy (pre-TF [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]) with a new trailer that combined with the cab robot to form a super robot. Whereas the original Japanese use was an upgrade to Convoy, Hasbro released him as a separate character and both the comic and the cartoon ignored the cab robot in favor of the super robot.

:Ultra Magnus transforms into a white Freightliner COE with a blue and red car-carrier trailer. He comes with a rifle that has two pegs that will fit into either the fist of the cab robot or fist of the super robot, and he also comes with two missile launchers that can plug into either the front of the trailer or the shoulders of the super robot. Additional accessories include the cab robot's fists, the super robot's fists, the super robot head, the super robot chestplate, and two crotchplates/trailer hitches.

:The original American toy was released in at least two versions -- one with rubber tires and paint on both heads, and a second with plastic tires and no paint on either head.

:Ultra Magnus was first reissued in Japan in 2000 with little to no changes. Two years later, Ultra Magnus was reissued as a Toys "R" Us exlusive in the United States in the first wave of the [[Commemorative Series]]; the American reissue's missiles were elongated to pass modern safety laws. Both reissues had rubber tires and the facial paint.

*'''Ultra Magnus Movie Preview version''' (2001)
: In the early stages of the development of the 1986 animated movie, several promotional clips for the movie were produced, including one depicting Ultra Magnus in the original Diaclone Powered Convoy color scheme. The Movie Preview toy was released in 2001 based on that brief (and premature) appearance, featuring a blue colored cab.

*'''Ultra Magnus Matrix Glow version''' (2001)
: With a yellow cab and a clear yellow trailer, Matrix Glow Ultra Magnus or Shining Magnus is intended to recall the moment in the animated movie, just before Optimus Prime dies, when the Matrix is passed to Ultra Magnus and he is bathed in its Matrixey yellow light. It was also released in 2001.

: This version is sometimes referred to by fans as "Urine Magnus", or slightly less-polite variations of the same.

===Generation 2===
* '''Laser Ultra Magnus''' (2006)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' ''' TRF-13-S'''

[[Image:G2_LaserUltraMagnus_toy.jpg|right|thumb|Probably the only Magnus repaint of Prime we'll ever get who isn't just white.]]

: An [[e-Hobby]] exclusive, ''Generation 2'' Laser Ultra Magnus is a redeco of Laser Optimus Prime, transforming into a mid-1990s Western Star 4964EX extended-hood truck pulling a blue and white tanker trailer. He was packaged in the reissue Laser Optimus Prime's box, along with Prime's instructions, bio card and sticker sheet. Yes, the stickers that have "Optimus Prime" written on them.

:In robot mode the bottom of the truck became his familiar windowed chest based upon the original Optimus Prime toy (and the original Ultra Magnus's cab). His main gimmick was light up LED headlights, and a [[lightpipe]] in the bottom of his right fist, illuminated by an LED in his right forearm, that would illuminate his clear sword or his double-barreled rifle if they were used in that hand. All three LEDs were activated simultaneously by pressing the sunroof-like depression on the roof of the truck.

:The trailer unfolds to form a battle station bristling with many firing weapons. Primarily, it can fire an air-powered missile launcher, a ripple rocket launcher with 5 missiles that can be launched individually (this turret can also be mounted in Laser Magnus' hand) and a 'disc launcher', that fired several white plastic discs. This disc launcher is the only weapon that can be used in vehicle mode.

:This release uses the toolings that were modified for the ''Robots in Disguise'' [[Scourge (RID)|Scourge]] toy, and thus has smooth discs and a less pointy sword.

===Masterpiece===
* '''Ultra Magnus''' (2004)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''MP-2'''

[[Image:Masterpiece_UltraMagnus_toy.jpg|left|thumb|He looks like this in ONE comic. ONE.]]

: ''Masterpiece'' Ultra Magnus is a white redeco of ''Masterpiece'' Convoy (Optimus Prime) with all the same accessories, though some have been redecoed. Additionally, his box can be refolded into his classic trailer configuration, but doesn't hold up since it's, well, cardboard. He retains the Matrix, which he can indeed open. Damnit, open.

: As a Takara product, ''Masterpiece'' Ultra Magnus was never released in the US, but was eventually released by Hasbro Australia in 2005 for their market as a Target-exclusive, retaining his Japanese packaging, with simple stickers stating a recommended age of 8+, as well as presenting Hasbro Australia's details and explaining what the product was.

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===Classics===
*'''Ultra Magnus vs Skywarp: Battle For Autobot City''' (Multi-pack, 2007)
[[Image:ClassicsUltraMagnus_toy.jpg|right|thumb|Arctic Camo Prime!]]

: A [[redeco]] of the Voyager class Optimus Prime, this release is part of the Target [[exclusive]] ''Battle for Autobot City'' set with [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]. The final production toy has several major paint paint application differences compared to the toy depicted on the packaging, including the loss of all light blue paint (including his faceplate and crest, both replaced with silver, darker blue on his thighs. Also his red eyes are replaced with the light piping color (blue). Additionally, it seems the smokestacks/double-barreled gun was originally going to be cast or painted white instead of the final's black.

: Like Optimus Prime, the toy's gimmicks are in his weapons - his smokestacks fold together to become a double-barreled gun, and his aero fairing splits and unfolds to become a large shotgun-like blaster. The two weapons also combine into a double-barreled shoulder cannon.

===Titanium Series===
*'''Ultra Magnus''' (6-inch Cybertron Heroes, 2007)
[[Image:TitaniumHero_UltraMagnus.jpg|left|thumb|Oh, that's right, this Ultra Magnus guy had a trailer or something, didn't he?]]

: ''Titanium Cybertron Heroes'' Ultra Magnus is an all-new sculpt constructed mostly of die-cast metal. For the first time, Ultra Magnus's cab and trailer are one piece, rather than a [[partsformer]] like the ''Generation 1'' toy version. He transforms very similarly to the original toy, but the aformentioned truck cab now folds down into his back rather than detaching and reconnecting, with his head fliping out of the back of the cab.

: Ultra Magnus is armed with a white laser rifle and two shoulder-mounted non-firing rocket launchers. Unfortunately due to the robot mode-oriented design of this figure, as well as size limitations, the rear ramp is now part of his legs as detail and cannot fold down, nor is there access for vehicles to be transported, in any case.

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*'''Ultra Magnus''' (6-inch Cybertron Heroes, 2007)

: A [[redeco]] of the 6-inch War Within Optimus Prime. In white!

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===Revoltech===

* '''Ultra Magnus''' (2007)
Ultra Magnus is, unsurprisingly, a redeco of a simultaneously-released Optimus Prime/Convoy figure. A non-transforming but ''highly'' articulate action figure, [[Revoltech]] Ultra Magnus uses the Revoltech "revolver joints" for maximum poseability. His sculpting is explicitly in the style of [[Pat Lee|Pat "serfdom" Lee]]'s interpretation of Prime.

Magnus comes with a Matrix and photon rifle accessories, as well as a few alternate hands. A unique extra "hand" is a single moulded piece of Ultra Magnus and Optimus Prime's hands clasped together diagonally, so that when attached to both the Prime and Magnus' respective wrists one can create a scene of the two Autobot leaders shakin' like homeys. Additionally, although Magnus comes preassembled with the standard black revolver joints that Prime has, his packaging includes a sheet of replacement white joints one can use to customise Magnus with less obrtusive matching white joints (although not enough joints of the right style are included to swap out all black joints to optimal effect).

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==Merchandise==
*'''Ultra Magnus''' (Super Collection Figure, 2002)

*'''Ultra Magnus''' (Heroes of Cybertron, 2003)

*'''Ultra Magnus''' (Super Collection figure, 2003)

: "Movie preview" redeco of the Ultra Magnus PVC, based on the original toy's Diaclone colour scheme as seen in early trailers for the 1986 movie.

*'''Ultra Magnus''' (Hard Hero bust, 2004)

[[Image:Ultramagnushardhero.jpg|right|thumb|100px|UHN!]]

: The cold-cast porcelain bust of Ultra Magnus was the 13th in [[Hard Hero]]'s series of Transformers busts. It was designed from line art by [[Dan Khanna]].

*'''Ultra Magnus and Megatron''' (Robot Heroes PVC, 2007)

: This is a small, non-transforming SD figurine with limited articulation from the "Robot Heroes" line, in a two pack with G1 Megatron. He may be the sassiest bitch on Cybertron.

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==Trivia==

[[Image:DiacloneMagnusAnime1.jpg|left|200px|thumb| "Do you guys think my hair would look better in blue?"]]

*In early trailers for Transformers the Movie, Ultra Magnus can be seen in alternate animated sequences in his toy's original Diaclone color scheme.

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Autobot/UltraMagnus/ultramagnus.htm Ultra Magnus at TFU.info]

*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Ultra_Magnus Ultra Magnus' Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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Transformer funerary practices

2007-07-20T04:14:40Z

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[[Image:Windcharger wheeljack otp.jpg|thumb|250px|Don't worry, Wheeljack is only resting. Windcharger, however...]]
:''"Ashes to ashes! Junk to junk!"'' -[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] 

You can learn a lot from how a society treats their dead.

==Generation 1==

===Autobots===
The [[Autobot]] honoured dead are placed in massive mausoleum spacecraft which are left to drift in space. These spacecraft feature a docking bay, presumably to allow Autobot pilgrims to pay their respects to past heroes. It is unknown if these mausoleums have defences to protect the dead against disrespectful [[Decepticons]]. <ref>[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] in both the comic and the show.</ref>

A facsimile Optimus Prime was once buried when the Earth-bound Autobots believed it to be the real Optimus. This was a departure from Cybertronian traditions, but according to the Autobots present, adhering to Earth traditions was 'what he would have wanted'. When he died for real (temporarily) a short time later, his body was instead shot into space, suggesting that maybe he wouldn't have wanted a burial after all. <ref>(UK #104, #109)</ref>

When [[Rodimus Prime (G1)|Rodimus Prime]] was believed dead, [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] said they would take the body back to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] for internment.<ref>[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 2]]</ref>

The Autobots have been known to dispose of a fallen ''enemy'' by giving them to the Junkions.<ref>[[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] intended to send the Junkions to collect the fallen [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]</ref>

When Ultra magnus was shot dead by [[Sixshot]] he was given a burial at sea in a glass coffin decorated with Christian imagery, on his favorite planet, Earth.

===Decepticons===
[[Image:Decepticon markers.gif|thumb|150px|Ooooh, shiny...]]
The Decepticons create '''markers''' bearing the likeness of their dead, lit by an eternal flame. Superstitious Decepticons believe a deceased Transformer's spirit may linger near it's marker, and it is bad luck to disturb one.<ref>Since Transformers have ghosts. The superstitious win out over the scientific rationalists [[Atechnogenesis|yet again]].</ref>

''It is unclear if these mark the place where a Transformer's remains are stored or not, but at least three Transformers have markers in two locations.''

==Beast Era==
===Maximals===
For [[Maximals]] it is customary to hold a wake where their friends and comrades reminisce about their memories of the fallen.

===Predacons===
[[Image:Dinbot_funeral.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Out, out, brief candle...]]
The [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] recycle their dead with honors. It is considered to be an act of great respect to the dead, though Maximals might disagree. <ref>[[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]] in [[Fallen Comrades]]. Dinobot was eventually recycled himself in [[Code of Hero]]</ref>

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==References==
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Talk:Optimus Supreme

2007-07-13T23:32:45Z

85.195.123.29: New page: Why isn't this just under Prime's page? It's not like his personality changed, if Optimus Supreme gets a page then so should Wing Convoy and Liger Convoy(excuse me, I can't remember whatev...

Why isn't this just under Prime's page? It's not like his personality changed, if Optimus Supreme gets a page then so should Wing Convoy and Liger Convoy(excuse me, I can't remember whatever silly names Habsro gave those forms), and that would just be silly [[User:85.195.123.29|85.195.123.29]]<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Chip Chase

2007-07-13T23:12:41Z

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What was wrong with the Dr. Strangelove quote? - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 11:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
: I don't know. I say it goes back. ''Mein Furher, I can valk!!!'' --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:28, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:: I second that motion. [[User:Takeshi357|Takeshi357]] 15:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

== Prowl-2? ==

Was he actually called Prowl-2 in Binaltech? (I ask because that name means... something specific, given that Takara puts CR/RiD in the G1 Timeline.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:53, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
: Sort of. They put Car Robots, not RiD, in the G1 Timeline. They can't put *both* in, since they're two different things, unless one happened after the other. Also, at the end of Binaltech, everything got wiped out and rebooted, IIRC, so one Prowl-2 can't become the other regardless. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
::Yes, Prowl 2 was the name for his Binaltech body when it was planned to operate simultaneously with Prowl, back before he Died. On a side note did anyone ever translate that damn thing? And to Walky, Takara considers RID and Car Robots to be the same thing, at least that's what Sideway's first appearance being in RID seems to suggest. But until we get a Translation of that page we should take the CR/Movie stuff with a grain of salt. [[User:85.195.123.29|85.195.123.29]]<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Chip Chase

2007-07-13T23:07:59Z

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What was wrong with the Dr. Strangelove quote? - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 11:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
: I don't know. I say it goes back. ''Mein Furher, I can valk!!!'' --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:28, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:: I second that motion. [[User:Takeshi357|Takeshi357]] 15:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

== Prowl-2? ==

Was he actually called Prowl-2 in Binaltech? (I ask because that name means... something specific, given that Takara puts CR/RiD in the G1 Timeline.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:53, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
: Sort of. They put Car Robots, not RiD, in the G1 Timeline. They can't put *both* in, since they're two different things, unless one happened after the other. Also, at the end of Binaltech, everything got wiped out and rebooted, IIRC, so one Prowl-2 can't become the other regardless. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:Yes, Prowl 2 was the name for his Binaltech body when it was planned to operate simultaneously with Prowl, back before he Died. On a side note did anyone ever translate that damn thing? And to Walky, Takara considers RID and Car Robots to be the same thing, at least that's what Sideway's first appearance being in RID seems to suggest. But until we get a Translation of that page we should take the CR/Movie stuff with a grain of salt.<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Chip Chase

2007-07-13T22:51:26Z

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{{Template:Disambig3|Chase}}

:''Chip is a [[human]] character from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Chipchase.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Mein führer, I can valk!]]

'''Chip Chase''' is a human ally of the [[Autobot]]s and [[Spike Witwicky]]'s best friend. Suffering from some unknown malady, Chip is confined to a wheelchair. He isn't defined by his disability though, but rather by his geeky genius-level skills with computers, programming, and electronics.

He also has tremendous upper body strength.

"Courage!"

==Fiction==

===Generation 1 cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Michael Horton]] (US), [[Keiichi Nanba]] (Japan)

Chip Chase came to the attentions of the Autobots as a friend of [[Spike Witwicky]] and the whiz behind [[Dr. Alcazar]]'s antimatter formula project. Though the Decepticons stole the antimatter formula, Chip memorized the data.

Chip has a remarkably advanced (or at least ridiculously expensive) desktop computer for 1984. It contains among other things, a 16 Million color monitor (Chip's view of the Decepticons was no different than [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl's]]), a microphone, dial up networking, speakers, and a soundcard that could interpret Prowl's speech. Maybe he's friends with [[Ethan Zachary]].

Chip once tore a [[Floppy disk|floppy disk]] apart with '' his bare hands''. This may explain why [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] is [[Afterdeath!|keen to stay in his good books]].

Chip is a graduate of Yale University, is able to survive [[acid rain]], is able to stand (despite being wheelchair bound), and once saved the world by getting [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] to shoot [[Teletraan-1]].

He once told a group of Autobots that, "No one is really disabled as long as they have courage." If any human was an illustration of this, it's Chip Chase.

===Scramble City OVA===

''(Note: the [[Scramble City]] OVA takes place after the events of the second season of the US cartoon, but before ''[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|The Transformers: The Movie]]''.)''

Chip can be seen alongside Spike, [[Sparkplug Witwicky|Sparkplug]] and Carly helping to construct [[Autobot City]].

===Binaltech===

When [[Prowl_(G1)|Prowl's]] [[Spark|Laser Core]] was lost to [[Subspace]] in a [[Genetronic Translink|GT]] Transfer accident, Chip Chase volunteered to sacrifice his very own soul in order to breath life into the now lifeless Prowl-2, stating "Twenty years ago, we met thanks to an online message from you. Your battle computer was down, and in its place, I--" {{Storylink|Roll For It}} while something flashed in the back of his mind "Your intelligence and personality are already in this frame. In which case..." With the help of [[Ratchet_(G1)|Ratchet]] and [[Wheeljack_(G1)|Wheeljack]] Chip's consciousness was transported into Prowl's frame. The new entity created in this fusion is virtually indistinguishable from Prowl's old persona, thanks to copies of the original Prowl's [[Memory Core]] and [[Datatrax]], while a separate Nerocomputer handles Chip's thought processes. Meanwhile Chip's real body was stored in stasis in an [[EDC]] medical facility.

===Transformers 2007 movie===
He apparently owns a chain of fast food burger joints (Named 'Chip Chase's' oddly enough) with his face on the packaging. Wonder if the TV ads are as scary as the ones featuring the Burger King.

==Trivia==
* Chip and [[Carly]] never appeared in the same episode during the entire US run, coincidence!? ''Shocking dual identitity?!?!'' (Or maybe the two of them just can't stand to be in the same room for whatever reason...)

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Chip Chase

2007-07-13T22:49:43Z

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{{Template:Disambig3|Chase}}

:''Chip is a [[human]] character from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Chipchase.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Mein führer, I can valk!]]

'''Chip Chase''' is a human ally of the [[Autobot]]s and [[Spike Witwicky]]'s best friend. Suffering from some unknown malady, Chip is confined to a wheelchair. He isn't defined by his disability though, but rather by his geeky genius-level skills with computers, programming, and electronics.

He also has tremendous upper body strength.

"Courage!"

==Fiction==

===Generation 1 cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Michael Horton]] (US), [[Keiichi Nanba]] (Japan)

Chip Chase came to the attentions of the Autobots as a friend of [[Spike Witwicky]] and the whiz behind [[Dr. Alcazar]]'s antimatter formula project. Though the Decepticons stole the antimatter formula, Chip memorized the data.

Chip has a remarkably advanced (or at least ridiculously expensive) desktop computer for 1984. It contains among other things, a 16 Million color monitor (Chip's view of the Decepticons was no different than [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl's]]), a microphone, dial up networking, speakers, and a soundcard that could interpret Prowl's speech. Maybe he's friends with [[Ethan Zachary]].

Chip once tore a [[Floppy disk|floppy disk]] apart with '' his bare hands''. This may explain why [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] is [[Afterdeath!|keen to stay in his good books]].

Chip is a graduate of Yale University, is able to survive [[acid rain]], is able to stand (despite being wheelchair bound), and once saved the world by getting [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] to shoot [[Teletraan-1]].

He once told a group of Autobots that, "No one is really disabled as long as they have courage." If any human was an illustration of this, it's Chip Chase.

===Scramble City OVA===

''(Note: the [[Scramble City]] OVA takes place after the events of the second season of the US cartoon, but before ''[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|The Transformers: The Movie]]''.)''

Chip can be seen alongside Spike, [[Sparkplug Witwicky|Sparkplug]] and Carly helping to construct [[Autobot City]].

===Binaltech===

When [[Prowl_(G1)|Prowl's]] [[Spark|Laser Core]] was lost to [[Subspace]] in a [[Genetronic Translink|GT]] Transfer accident, Chip Chase volunteered to sacrifice his very own soul in order to breath life into the now lifeless Prowl-2, stating "Twenty years ago, we met thanks to an online message from you. Your battle computer was down, and in its place, I--" while something flashed in the back of his mind "Your intelligence and personality are already in this frame. In which case..." with the help of [[Ratchet_(G1)|Ratchet]] and [[Wheeljack_(G1)|Wheeljack]] Chip's consciousness was transported into Prowl's frame. The new entity created in this fusion is virtually indistinguishable from Prowl's old persona, thanks to copies of the original Prowl's [[Memory Core]] and [[Datatrax]], while a separate Nerocomputer handles Chip's thought processes. Meanwhile Chip's real body was stored in stasis in an [[EDC]] medical facility.

===Transformers 2007 movie===
He apparently owns a chain of fast food burger joints (Named 'Chip Chase's' oddly enough) with his face on the packaging. Wonder if the TV ads are as scary as the ones featuring the Burger King.

==Trivia==
* Chip and [[Carly]] never appeared in the same episode during the entire US run, coincidence!? ''Shocking dual identitity?!?!'' (Or maybe the two of them just can't stand to be in the same room for whatever reason...)

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Chip Chase

2007-07-13T22:48:18Z

85.195.123.29: /* Binaltech */

{{Template:Disambig3|Chase}}

:''Chip is a [[human]] character from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Chipchase.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Mein führer, I can valk!]]

'''Chip Chase''' is a human ally of the [[Autobot]]s and [[Spike Witwicky]]'s best friend. Suffering from some unknown malady, Chip is confined to a wheelchair. He isn't defined by his disability though, but rather by his geeky genius-level skills with computers, programming, and electronics.

He also has tremendous upper body strength.

"Courage!"

==Fiction==

===Generation 1 cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Michael Horton]] (US), [[Keiichi Nanba]] (Japan)

Chip Chase came to the attentions of the Autobots as a friend of [[Spike Witwicky]] and the whiz behind [[Dr. Alcazar]]'s antimatter formula project. Though the Decepticons stole the antimatter formula, Chip memorized the data.

Chip has a remarkably advanced (or at least ridiculously expensive) desktop computer for 1984. It contains among other things, a 16 Million color monitor (Chip's view of the Decepticons was no different than [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl's]]), a microphone, dial up networking, speakers, and a soundcard that could interpret Prowl's speech. Maybe he's friends with [[Ethan Zachary]].

Chip once tore a [[Floppy disk|floppy disk]] apart with '' his bare hands''. This may explain why [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] is [[Afterdeath!|keen to stay in his good books]].

Chip is a graduate of Yal University, is able to survive [[acid rain]], is able to stand (despite being wheelchair bound), and once saved the world by getting [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] to shoot [[Teletraan-1]].

He once told a group of Autobots that, "No one is really disabled as long as they have courage." If any human was an illustration of this, it's Chip Chase.

===Scramble City OVA===

''(Note: the [[Scramble City]] OVA takes place after the events of the second season of the US cartoon, but before ''[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|The Transformers: The Movie]]''.)''

Chip can be seen alongside Spike, [[Sparkplug Witwicky|Sparkplug]] and Carly helping to construct [[Autobot City]].

===Binaltech===

When [[Prowl_(G1)|Prowl's]] [[Spark|Laser Core]] was lost to [[Subspace]] in a [[Genetronic Translink|GT]] Transfer accident, Chip Chase volunteered to sacrifice his very own soul in order to breath life into the now lifeless Prowl-2, stating "Twenty years ago, we met thanks to an online message from you. Your battle computer was down, and in its place, I--" while something flashed in the back of his mind "Your intelligence and personality are already in this frame. In which case..." with the help of [[Ratchet_(G1)|Ratchet]] and [[Wheeljack_(G1)|Wheeljack]] Chip's consciousness was transported into Prowl's frame. The new entity created in this fusion is virtually indistinguishable from Prowl's old persona, thanks to copies of the original Prowl's [[Memory Core]] and [[Datatrax]], while a separate Nerocomputer handles Chip's thought processes. Meanwhile Chip's real body was stored in stasis in an [[EDC]] medical facility.

===Transformers 2007 movie===
He apparently owns a chain of fast food burger joints (Named 'Chip Chase's' oddly enough) with his face on the packaging. Wonder if the TV ads are as scary as the ones featuring the Burger King.

==Trivia==
* Chip and [[Carly]] never appeared in the same episode during the entire US run, coincidence!? ''Shocking dual identitity?!?!'' (Or maybe the two of them just can't stand to be in the same room for whatever reason...)

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Talk:Gigant Bomb

2007-04-08T23:41:25Z

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...so they confirmed Victory was 2025? Cool. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

This is just a crazy thery, but I think that Giagant Bomb and Smokesniper's color-schemes were inspired by G1-Soundwave

:Is he actually a zone character via his retroactive placement? I'm equally iffy about all these victory characters called Zone characters because of their 1-frame cameos in the final scene. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:39, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

::"Former chief commander of the space defense army. After passing the mantle of commander to junior officer Dai Atlas, Star Saber continued to support him at the front lines of battle. Sucked into the space distortion �Blastizone� while pursuing an old foe, Gigant Bomb. He then appeared in the world of Robot Masters."

:::That is not what I am debating- I am asking- 'do we want to call him a Zone character if he didnt' ACTUALLY originate in Zone?'-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:54, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Gigant Bomb

2007-04-08T22:51:44Z

85.195.123.29:

...so they confirmed Victory was 2025? Cool. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

This is just a crazy thery, but I think that Giagant Bomb and Smokesniper's color-schemes were inspired by G1-Soundwave

:Is he actually a zone character via his retroactive placement? I'm equally iffy about all these victory characters called Zone characters because of their 1-frame cameos in the final scene. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:39, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

::"Former chief commander of the space defense army. After passing the mantle of commander to junior officer Dai Atlas, Star Saber continued to support him at the front lines of battle. Sucked into the space distortion �Blastizone� while pursuing an old foe, Gigant Bomb. He then appeared in the world of Robot Masters."<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Buzzsaw (G1)

2007-03-28T20:50:35Z

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==Additional pic==

[[Image:Buzzsawg1.jpg|thumb]]

--[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 13:18, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Was Buzzsaw ever shown in cassette mode in the G1 cartoon? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:20, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I know he has a character model for a cassette mode, it's in Generations.<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

User talk:85.195.123.29

2007-03-27T00:41:58Z

85.195.123.29:

The sarcasm in [[Scale]] about the discrepencies between Japanese and American fiction is common here to kind of "lighten the mood," so to speak. That's why I reverted it back. -[[User:EricMarrs|EricMarrs]] 22:30, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes but it's wrong, humour should not get in the way of the facts. Theirs obvious size changing in Robot Masters as shown both by the Beast Warriors and Star Saber, who is gigantic, that little robot in his chest(Saber)is normally about the size of an Average Transformer from Season 1, but in Robot Masters it's quite small! So until there is evidence that proves the J-Beast Warriors are big, that type of sarcasm doesn't belong in the article.

I think you mean "evidence they changed size," since we have a picture showing that they're "big." But I don't see how pointing out another size inconsistency makes the one already pointed out not there; nor do I see the justification beyond the hypothesis presented that there is any size-changing going on. I posted a list of images from episodes of BWII (direct-linking to the images didn't work; I know it's an old site but it was the first one I thought of) that show that size was not consistent within that series: LioConvoy looks human size, but Tasmania Kid is giant.-[[User:EricMarrs|EricMarrs]] 23:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Like Rattrap<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Fortress Maximus (G1)

2007-03-26T22:53:49Z

85.195.123.29: /* Japanese names */

"Sadly, Galen's first view of view was also his last." Could someone rephrase that so it makes sense? [[User:68.190.81.14|68.190.81.14]] 20:45, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Much of the entry for Fort Max's Marvel section don't involve Fort Max much at all, and reads more like an extended summary of the first Headmasters comic issue. This should definitely be pared down. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:40, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
:Personally, I think it looks fine. After all, most of Fortress Maximus's character development was in the Headmasters mini-series, so naturally most of the info on the page would come from there. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 21:18, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
::The CURRENT entry in his Marvel Comics section is fine. The old entry on the wrong page, which is now at [[Ring of Hate!]], is more of a page-by-page summary of the comic, and not a good Fortress Maximus Marvel Comics entry, as it digresses too much into things other characters are doing. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:26, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Ah, OK. Gotcha. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 21:33, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

== Too many Personalities. ==

The opening paragraph here, which is supposed to be continuity free, really only applies to Marvel comic (and maybe DW a little) Fort Max. As he has several distinct incarnations: Mindless Big-Smashy-thing (Cartoon), Warrior for Peace (Comic) and Confident starship commander and super-hero (Japanese. Should he not get an abbreviated first paragraph and one of those ''"He different in different places"'' notes like Blaster and Chromedome have? Yes?

:I think all versions of Fort Max, in some way, 'checked out' out the war. Marverl left for Nebulos, Dreamwave shut down, Headmasters led a colony to leave the war-town Cybertron... that's the constant core for Fort Max's character in all continuities- he's a cut-and-run Democrat.-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

== "Impenetrable fortress" ==

I'm a bit puzzled by the description of Fort Max's toy. [http://tfracetrack.com/instructions/g1/autobot/fortmax.jpg Here are his US instructions] - there's no mention an "impenetrable fortress" mode, and the "battle station" mode they describe ''is'' how he appeared in starship mode in the ''Headmasters'' anime. Did the Japanese instructions present a different transformation for the starship that the cartoon didn't use, or something? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:47, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
:1987 toy catalog. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:01, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

::Aaah! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:28, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

== Japanese names ==

I'm wanting to add a note that in Japan, the "Spike" figure was renamed "Cerebros", but don't know where to put it.

Also, can somebody who can read Japanese tell me if the specs have the Headmaster partners as the actual Transformer or a partner? I ask because in the Japanese boxes and instructions, the headmaster figures have the same names (or close enough) as the Hasbro releases.

[[Image:Japanese Weirdwolf Specs.jpg|250px|Optimus Prime. For reals.]]

[[Image:Japanese Snapdragon Specs.jpg|250px|Optimus Prime. For reals.]]

--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Uh, yea the Headmaster's names are just wierd like that, some are changed to shortened versions of their Transecter's names but not all.
*Spike=Cerebros
*Stylor=Chrome
*Duros=Ros
*Gort=Gorter
*Arcana=Carna
*Lord Zarak=Scorponok
*Grax=Grax
*Monzo=Monzo
*Vorath=Vorath
*Spasma=Spasma
*Krunk=Krunk

IIRC When they weren't Bonded with their Transector in the Cartoon, they still went by it's name instead of their own, but I'm to 100% sure.<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Fortress Maximus (G1)

2007-03-26T22:51:32Z

85.195.123.29: /* Japanese names */

"Sadly, Galen's first view of view was also his last." Could someone rephrase that so it makes sense? [[User:68.190.81.14|68.190.81.14]] 20:45, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Much of the entry for Fort Max's Marvel section don't involve Fort Max much at all, and reads more like an extended summary of the first Headmasters comic issue. This should definitely be pared down. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:40, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
:Personally, I think it looks fine. After all, most of Fortress Maximus's character development was in the Headmasters mini-series, so naturally most of the info on the page would come from there. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 21:18, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
::The CURRENT entry in his Marvel Comics section is fine. The old entry on the wrong page, which is now at [[Ring of Hate!]], is more of a page-by-page summary of the comic, and not a good Fortress Maximus Marvel Comics entry, as it digresses too much into things other characters are doing. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:26, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Ah, OK. Gotcha. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 21:33, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

== Too many Personalities. ==

The opening paragraph here, which is supposed to be continuity free, really only applies to Marvel comic (and maybe DW a little) Fort Max. As he has several distinct incarnations: Mindless Big-Smashy-thing (Cartoon), Warrior for Peace (Comic) and Confident starship commander and super-hero (Japanese. Should he not get an abbreviated first paragraph and one of those ''"He different in different places"'' notes like Blaster and Chromedome have? Yes?

:I think all versions of Fort Max, in some way, 'checked out' out the war. Marverl left for Nebulos, Dreamwave shut down, Headmasters led a colony to leave the war-town Cybertron... that's the constant core for Fort Max's character in all continuities- he's a cut-and-run Democrat.-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

== "Impenetrable fortress" ==

I'm a bit puzzled by the description of Fort Max's toy. [http://tfracetrack.com/instructions/g1/autobot/fortmax.jpg Here are his US instructions] - there's no mention an "impenetrable fortress" mode, and the "battle station" mode they describe ''is'' how he appeared in starship mode in the ''Headmasters'' anime. Did the Japanese instructions present a different transformation for the starship that the cartoon didn't use, or something? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:47, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
:1987 toy catalog. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:01, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

::Aaah! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:28, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

== Japanese names ==

I'm wanting to add a note that in Japan, the "Spike" figure was renamed "Cerebros", but don't know where to put it.

Also, can somebody who can read Japanese tell me if the specs have the Headmaster partners as the actual Transformer or a partner? I ask because in the Japanese boxes and instructions, the headmaster figures have the same names (or close enough) as the Hasbro releases.

[[Image:Japanese Weirdwolf Specs.jpg|250px|Optimus Prime. For reals.]]

[[Image:Japanese Snapdragon Specs.jpg|250px|Optimus Prime. For reals.]]

--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Uh, yea the Headmaster's names are just wierd like that, some are changed to shortened versions of their Transecter's names but not all.
Spike=Cerebros
Stylor=Chrome
Duros=Ros
Gort=Gorter
Arcana=Carna
Lord Zarak=Scorponok
Grax=Grax
Monzo=Monzo
Vorath=Vorath
Spasma=Spasma
Krunk=Krunk

IIRC When they weren't Bonded with their Transector in the Cartoon, they still went by it's name instead of their own, but I'm to 100% sure.<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

User talk:85.195.123.29

2007-03-26T22:45:08Z

85.195.123.29:

Talk:Fortress Maximus (G1)

2007-03-26T22:34:12Z

85.195.123.29: /* Japanese names */

"Sadly, Galen's first view of view was also his last." Could someone rephrase that so it makes sense? [[User:68.190.81.14|68.190.81.14]] 20:45, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Much of the entry for Fort Max's Marvel section don't involve Fort Max much at all, and reads more like an extended summary of the first Headmasters comic issue. This should definitely be pared down. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:40, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
:Personally, I think it looks fine. After all, most of Fortress Maximus's character development was in the Headmasters mini-series, so naturally most of the info on the page would come from there. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 21:18, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
::The CURRENT entry in his Marvel Comics section is fine. The old entry on the wrong page, which is now at [[Ring of Hate!]], is more of a page-by-page summary of the comic, and not a good Fortress Maximus Marvel Comics entry, as it digresses too much into things other characters are doing. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:26, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Ah, OK. Gotcha. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 21:33, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

== Too many Personalities. ==

The opening paragraph here, which is supposed to be continuity free, really only applies to Marvel comic (and maybe DW a little) Fort Max. As he has several distinct incarnations: Mindless Big-Smashy-thing (Cartoon), Warrior for Peace (Comic) and Confident starship commander and super-hero (Japanese. Should he not get an abbreviated first paragraph and one of those ''"He different in different places"'' notes like Blaster and Chromedome have? Yes?

:I think all versions of Fort Max, in some way, 'checked out' out the war. Marverl left for Nebulos, Dreamwave shut down, Headmasters led a colony to leave the war-town Cybertron... that's the constant core for Fort Max's character in all continuities- he's a cut-and-run Democrat.-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

== "Impenetrable fortress" ==

I'm a bit puzzled by the description of Fort Max's toy. [http://tfracetrack.com/instructions/g1/autobot/fortmax.jpg Here are his US instructions] - there's no mention an "impenetrable fortress" mode, and the "battle station" mode they describe ''is'' how he appeared in starship mode in the ''Headmasters'' anime. Did the Japanese instructions present a different transformation for the starship that the cartoon didn't use, or something? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:47, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
:1987 toy catalog. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:01, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

::Aaah! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:28, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

== Japanese names ==

I'm wanting to add a note that in Japan, the "Spike" figure was renamed "Cerebros", but don't know where to put it.

Also, can somebody who can read Japanese tell me if the specs have the Headmaster partners as the actual Transformer or a partner? I ask because in the Japanese boxes and instructions, the headmaster figures have the same names (or close enough) as the Hasbro releases.

[[Image:Japanese Weirdwolf Specs.jpg|250px|Optimus Prime. For reals.]]

[[Image:Japanese Snapdragon Specs.jpg|250px|Optimus Prime. For reals.]]

--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Uh, yea the Headmaster's names are just wierd like that, some are changed to shortened versions of their Transecter's names but not all.<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Scale

2007-03-26T22:27:09Z

85.195.123.29: /* Scale relative to G1 */

[[Image:OptimusSnakeEyes.jpg|right|thumb|300px|And the truck's ''how'' big...?]]
'''Scale''' in the ''Transformers'' multiverse is, to put not too fine a point on it, screwed.

Virtually no generation, era, franchise, fiction, toyline or other incarnation of ''Transformers'' has presented scale in a consistent, logical or easily-believable fashion. Most fans would agree that one needs to either ignore it or accept it, lest they be tempted to actually explain away these problems and in the process undoubtedly [[Wikipedia:fanwank|fanwank]] themselves into oblivion.

However, this does not mean that the chronic scale problems of ''Transformers'' do not merit description.

== Scale within toylines ==
As is generally well known, the early [[Generation 1 (toyline)|Generation 1 toyline]], especially the entire pre-[[Transformers: The Movie|Movie]] lines, were created from repackaged and [[redeco]]ed toys from several different Japanese transforming toylines. The crucial point being that they came from ''different'' toylines. All characters (well, virtually all; see below) ''should'' be in correct scale to each other as they all are supposed to represent real-world altmodes that can pass for correctly-scaled vehicles etc. However, since the ''[[Diaclone]]'' toys were not designed to be part of the same line as [[Microman]] toys, scale issue arise. While ''Diaclone'' figures such as [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] and [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] are more-or-less in correct scale to each other, many of the [[Mini Vehicle]]s from the ''New Microman'' line are clearly far too small by comparison. Even aside from the deformed [[penny-racer]] style proportions, even a comparatively small car such as a [[Bumblebee (G1)|Volkswagen]] is disproportionately tiny when compared to a [[Jazz (G1)|Porsche]] that should be in the same scale. The disparity becomes all the more obvious with other [[minibot]]s such as [[Warpath]] and [[Seaspray]] whose [[altmode]]s would suggest that they should be many times their actual size.

[[Image:DiacloneScale.jpg|left|thumb|400px|That little guy --who comes from the same toyline as all those vehicles-- is supposed to be a normal-sized human. Yyyeah.]]

Another glaring scale problem comes in the form of the [[Seeker]]s, who turn into F-15 Eagles which, in real life, are 63.8 ft (19.44 m) long. Clearly not in scale with the Autobot cars then... and neither are the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]], who are also ''Diaclone'' items. Even ''more'' out-of-scale are the other ''Diaclone''-born combiner team, the [[Trainbot]]s, who -as the name implies- become train engines, considerably larger than cars and most construction equipment, yet their toys are among the smallest of the ''Diaclone'' items.

Even toys specifically designed to interact with each other often suffer from this problem. The [[Combaticon]]s, for instance, are wildly out of scale to each other--[[Blast Off]]'s space shuttle mode should be the largest by far, and [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] should be significantly smaller than the others. Among the aforementioned Constructicons, [[Long Haul (G1)|Long Haul]], like most dumptrucks in ''Transformers'', is actually one of those gigantic [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Liebherr_t282_1.jpg "earth-mover" mining trucks], which would make him significantly bigger than his teammates.

Other scale problems come from characters who transform into the same (or very similar) altforms but whose toys are very different sizes. For example [[Air Raid (G1)|Air Raid]] transforms into and F-15 Eagle, but his toy is half the size of [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'s. In reality they should be an identical size (in fact, [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]], transforming into a Concorde passenger jet should in fact be one of the largest G1 Transformers with an Earth altmode). The same can be said for [[Breakdown]], who, having a Lamborghini Countach altmode, should be in scale with [[Sunstreaker]]. This also goes for the other [[Stunticon]]s and all the Special Teams/[[Scramble City]]-type combiners with Earth-based altmodes, whose toys are all out of scale to earlier waves. By the same token, Warpath should be roughly the same size as [[Blitzwing]].

Speaking of Blitzwing, [[Triple Changer|Triple-Changers]] create a whole new set of problems. [[Octane]] transforms from a roughly 60-foot tanker truck into a 200-foot plus jumbo jet. [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] transforms from a Earth jet into an entire ''aircraft carrier'', presumably sized to carry quite a few Earth jets. More recent series, such as [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave's]] ''[[More Than Meets The Eye]]'', suggest that this is possible due to a variety of sliding panels, essentially making the transformations akin to incredibly elaborate origami.

Also, from an in-universe logic perspective, the characters with role-play altmodes such as [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]], [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] or [[Laserbeak (Armada)|Armada Laserbeak]] are scaled to be human(well, kid)-scale. Although [[size changing]] is obviously not possible for real toys (or at least, that's what [[Takara]] ''wants'' us to think...), this human-scaling makes in some cases for inordinately large robot modes, e.g. [[Blaster]].

Most post-[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|Movie]] G1 characters (and, for that mater, most post-G1 ''lines'') are difficult to accurately scale, as they generally transform into "futuristic" or "Cybertonian" vehicles for which there are no real-world specifications, or indeed don't transform into vehicles at all. Therefore the scale of characters such as [[Hot Rod]] or [[Leobreaker]] are fairly arbitrary and can at best be estimated by their relative size to more scale-friendly characters within the same fictions, although most animation is highly inconsistent in this regard (see below). Nevertheless, if one presumes that most vehicle altmodes are intended to house human passengers, comparisons of toys such as [[Chromedome]] and [[Lightspeed (Technobot)|Lightspeed]] suggest a scale disparity similar to other combiners.

There has only been one notable exception to all of this; the ''[[Alternators]]'' toyline, where every item is a 1:24-scale representation of a real type of car, and thus remain in perfect scale with each other.

One last interesting case, related to the aforementioned Triple Changer difficulty, is when the toy is not in scale ''with itself''. For example, 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime has wheels which are not the right size, while his rear part is much too thick. These out-of-proportion vehicle parts were necessary to give to his robot mode better robot proportions.

== Scale within fictions ==
[[Image:TeenyCliff.jpg|left|thumb|Cliffjumper is one ****ing tiny car. Or Hound is a ****ing huge Jeep.]]

Scale issues abound within fictions, especially the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]]. A lot can be attributed to animation errors, or even "lazy animation". [[Size changing]] is rarely depicted on screen outside of characters such as [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]], but is rather implied (or, one could argue in many cases, inferred) in the following method: character such as [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] transforms in-frame from robot to shuttle with no visible expansion of size relative to his surroundings. Cut. In the following shot his fellow Decepticons are shown running into frame, suddenly tiny in stature so that they can board the shuttle. Although Astrotrain has not been shown to actually grow (in the way Megatron is usually seen to perceptibly shrink in-shot), one infers that it is more likely that Astrotrain has expanded rather than all his confederates have individually shrunk. The same goes for [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] and other "transport" characters.

Some scale problems appear to be arbitrary, for example Optimus Prime (and, indeed, most Transformers in general) is routinely shown as being throughly gargantuan, equal to several stories in hight and capable of cradling humans in the palm of one hand. In reality, Prime would probably be about 30 feet tall. Conversely, [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] is sometimes shown as being only a few feet taller than an average human, where in reality he would be around 15 feet tall. And those pesky [[Seeker]]s remain a walking scale problem; in reality they would be amongst the largest Transformers of all and would ''tower'' over their Autobot adversaries, whereas the animation generally depicts character such as [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] and [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] as being approximately the same height.

In most cases, the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]] adopts approximations of the toy scale (with all its inherent problems) when depicting the characters in robot modes; Prime, Megatron and Soundwave are generally animated at the same height, Seekers and Autobot cars slightly shorter (although not ''as'' much shorter and unevenly so as the actual toys are), and [[Minibot]]s are given a smaller stature again. However, these depictions were ''far'' from consistent.

Some fans interpret these discrepancies to also be the result of [[size changing]], but this is debatable. If virtually all characters used mass-shifting (or whatever) to gain or drop just a few feet for no apparent reason (other than to make the animation more plausible), the technology would seem pointlessly mundane. Furthermore there is no strong evidence in the series to indicate that size changing truly is so widespread as opposed to the animation having a particular style to it that favors emphasizing the hugeness of the Cybertronians.

[[Image:DreamwaveCover6.jpg|right|thumb|...since when is a sedan 9 stories tall?]]

It is worth noting that the [[Transformers (2007)|live-action movie]] has taken great pains to avoid size-changing and out-of-scale issues among characters with Earth-based alternate modes. This is sometimes reflected in the choice of vehicle ([[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] is a long-nosed truck cab in order to offer more mass to make a taller robot mode out of) or the design of their robot modes ([[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]'s robot mode is nearly as wide as it is tall, with shorter, digitigrade-style legs so the massive jet-former won't end up twice as tall as Optimus). Though in the case of [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]], his huge alternate mode simply results in a huge, hulking, towering robot mode.

=== Combiner scale ===
[[Combiner]] characters are often depicted as far larger than the sum of their parts. Characters such as [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] and [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] are frequently shown being as tall as large buildings, sometimes even the size of small skyscrapers. When one thinks that their individual limbs are comprised of mere cars and construction vehicles, this becomes patently absurd. Logically, this can only be accounted for by serious [[size changing|size-change-o-rama]] and yet, again, no clear depiction of this process actually taking place is ever shown in the case of combiners.

[[Superion (G1)|Superion]], however, actually ''would'' be fairly massive, if one considers the much larger real-world size of his component parts.
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== Show scale vs. toy scale ==

Some characters have great discrepancies between their cartoon scale and their toy scale. "Giant" characters such as [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] are, even aside from any [[size changing]] for transport purposes, clearly not in the same scale in toy form as they are depicted on screen. [[Mini-Cassettes|Cassette characters]] such as [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]'s toys are roughly the same height as most [[Minibot]]s, while in the show they are usually portrayed as human-sized (which is odd, considering that Soundwave is capable of expanding to massive size).

[[Hot Rod|Rodimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] are usually shown to be of a fairly similar hight (although Magnus is much bulkier), whereas there is a considerable difference between the size of their toys. By the same token, Rodimus is always depicted as being an equal stature to his opposing leader [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], whereas the toy Galvatron is instead the same size as Magnus.

[[Image:ShrinkingHeavy.jpg|left|thumb|250px|I lost thirty tons, thanks to the Jump-Cut! Thank you, Jump-Cut!]]

[[Metroplex (Cybertron)|''Cybertron'' Metroplex]] and the other citizens of [[Gigantion]] are depicted as gargantuan in animation, whereas the toys are merely among the normal boxed size-classes. (Although, the Japanese [[Galaxy Force]] release, dubbed "Megalo Convoy", included an exclusive [[redeco]] of the [[Heroes of Cybertron]] [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] to indicate the "correct" scale.) Within the animation, though, this causes problems with their Mini-Con partners, who are depicted as human-sized in robot mode by themselves, but when directly interacting with their larger partners, retain their size in relation to the toy... meaning some temporarily-gigantic Mini-Cons!

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== Pretender scale ==

The G1 concept of [[Pretender|Pretenders]] had some interesting scale issues. In the [[Generation 1 (Marvel Comics)|original comic]] the pretenders appeared fairly literally as their toy counterparts; normal-sized robots inside humanoid shells. The logical result of this was that the [[Autobot]] Pretenders were depicted as giant-sized humans. Which ain't much of a disguise. By comparison, the [[Decepticon]]s merely look like garden-variety giant Saban monsters.

Although the [[Generation 1 (television series)|original American cartoon]] did not feature any [[Pretender|Pretenders]], the Japanese-only continuity did, in their series ''[[Masterforce (television series)|Super-God Masterforce]]''. Here the Pretenders were not shells so much as ill-defined wholistic transformations which involved [[size changing]], allowing the large Autobots to achieve human size and convincingly pass themselves off as such. The Decepticons, by comparison chose to retain their gigantic proportions when in Pretender-mode.

Although never depicted in any of their actual fiction, [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave's]] ''[[More Than Meets The Eye]]'' profile book included a description of their continuity's take on the Pretender concept. Something of a fusion of the above two, it described a physical shell that utilizes [[size changing|shrinking]] technology to achieve the ''[[Masterforce (television series)|Masterfore]]''-like capacity to pass the wearer off as a real human (or other bipedal lifeform of choice). Intriguingly, the profile also obliquely implies that such Pretender technology would/could later lead to the development of the synthetic faux-organic beast-mode tech of the [[Beast Era]].

== Mini-Con scale ==
The [[Mini-Con]]s of the [[Unicron Trilogy]] are small robots who stand approximately the same height as a human. However, they almost all transform into vehicles (of either Earth or Cybertronian design) which are clearly modeled to include cockpits etc. for carrying passengers, and yet they are obviously too small to accommodate humans (the only exceptions being [[Grindor (Armada)|Grindor]], [[Sureshock]] and [[High Wire]], who become small one-man vehicles... well, ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]] Grindor doesn't). Who then these smaller-than-human passengers could possibly be is something of a mystery.

In the [[Cybertron (cartoon)|''Cybertron'' cartoon]], the [[Recon Mini-Con Team]] retain their slightly-larger-than-human robot modes, but their alternate modes are large enough to contain a human passenger.

== Citybots ==
[[Image:EarlyGalvatronTVMagazine1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Okay, if you were ever ''this'' big in the cartoon, THEN we might be able to call you a city.]]

The characters [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], [[Trypticon]], [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] and [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] each have altmodes which are described as a "city". However, the scale at which they could plausibly house enough humans, ''let alone'' Transformers to be in any way reasonably defined as a "city" would suggest a robot-mode scale that would make [[Hojoni|Godzilla]] look like a gecko. No fiction to date, not even the ''very'' large depictions in the Japanese ''[[Headmasters (television series)|Headmasters]]'' cartoon, even begins to approximate the size that a true "citybot" would logically become. In reality, the grossly-undersized depiction of [[Unicron]] (see below) would probably be closer to the scale of an actual transformed city. Which is ironic, as in Season 3 of the [[Generation 1 (television series)|G1 cartoon]] Unicron requires citybot eyes to replace his own shattered ones. That's right, citybot eyes fit a ''planet''bot. Explain that one...

Rare examples which even suggest such a realistic city scale include occasional Japanese promotional art (e.g. see left).

Furthermore, there is virtually no way to reconcile the "city" altmodes of the actual toys with any believable use of the term. Using windows as even a vague scale, they would hardly qualify as a city ''block''. The cartoon episode ''[[Thief in the Night]]'' makes some headway in explaining this via an establishing shot that shows Metroplex to be only a small smaller sub-section of the "actual" Autobot City, although this was not repeated.

Although little fiction to date has significantly featured the Headmaster leaders fulfilling their "city" roles, they have in the Japanese-exclusive cartoons been employed in their tertiary modes as massive starships capable of transporting and housing many normal-sized transformers. Conversely, the Marvel [[Generation 1 (comic)|G1 comic]] depicted Fort Max and Scorpy as merely "large-standard" size characters, of an equal height to Powermaster Optimus Prime and, in some UK issues, even the same as Rodimus Prime (to be fair, Powermaster Prime was often drawn "undersized" in the comics).

== Planets ==
[[Image:Cybertronplanet.jpg|left|thumb|Those are some pretty effin' big buildings...]]

Scale when it comes to planets is almost so fraught it's actively painful. The logic problems of describing citybots as "cities" is a thousand times worse if [[Unicron]] is supposed to have a planet-sized altmode, and that Cybertron is in turn supposed to be in scale with him. Although different fictions have compared both [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]/[[Primus]] and Unicron to drastically different Sol-system planets, the fact remains that they are supposed to be ''planets'', and yet across most fictions they are shown in such insane scale-relation to characters that it would suggest they are barely the size of a very, very small moon (or a space station).

To start with, [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] itself was depicted throughout G1 as having buildings visible from space. Although this was clearly intended to make it immediately obvious that the planet was entirely technological in nature, it actually makes no sense whatsoever, as such structures would have to be the size of small continents to actually be visible from such a distance. If the buildings were in fact supposed to be Transformers-scale skyscrapers (or even 2000 A.D. style mega-bocks), Cybertron would therefore be barely a fraction the size of Earth's [[Moon (moon)|Moon]]. By comparison, the rather [http://www.starwars.com/databank/location/coruscant/index.html Coruscant]-like orbit-views of Cybertron in the ''[[Beast Machines (television series)|Beast Machines]]'' cartoon may be less distinctive or recognizably "Cybertronian", but are ''far'' more believable.

[[Image:UnicronEatsGalvyMmmm.jpg|right|thumb|400px|Mmmm... grape flavored.]]

Unicron, however, is a much more extreme problem. If one presumes that no obvious [[size changing]] occurs during his transformation (and really, why would he want to become ''smaller''?), he would be so massive that any shot that features even a ''part'' of his body, let alone the whole thing, would be of such a scale that no normal Transformer, however massive, would even be visible in the same frame. His depiction in the ''[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|The Transformers: The Movie]]'' in which he directly interacts with normal-sized Cybertronian characters is blatantly absurd (regardless of how totally phat it looks). Shots such as the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] fleeing his grasping hand, a starship penetrating his eye or ''especially'' picking up Galvatron between his thumb and forefinger before swallowing him (or, similarly in the comic, impaling [[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]] on his fingernail before crunching him between his teeth) bend any concept of plausible scale beyond breaking point. If Unicron is the size of a planet, his hands would be the size of continents. This would make Galvatron the size of Great Britain.

There is no possible explanation for any of this. Just go with it.

The depiction of Unicron's scale in ''[[Armada]]'' was (very debatably) a slight improvement, at least in as much as the concept of physical interaction (or much bodily movement for that matter) with such tiny beings was not even attempted, preferring instead to communicate with normal Transformers by possessing [[Sideways|another body]] in their own scale. Nevertheless, shots featuring [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] and [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] standing on his neck region are still ''farcically'' out of scale.

== ''Beast Era'' scale ==

In the ''[[Beast Era]]'' scale is not such a large issue, although it certainly does crop up in less obvious (depending on your point of view) ways.

=== Real world scale ===
Although the Beast Warriors all seem to exist quite happily in their own relative scale, their scale in relation to the real-world animals they have adopted as [[altmode]]s is more problematic. While the "giant insect" characters such as [[Waspinator]] and [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] are obviously not in real world scale, when considered carefully virtually none of the characters actually are. The only characters who has been clearly depicted interacting with real members of his adopted species are [[Tigatron]] and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]], who is seen attempting to interact with other cheetahs in ''[[Beast Wars, Part 1]]'', who react in fright. Cheetor was shown here to be in the same scale as real cheetahs, which effectively makes him the measuring stick for all other characters. [[Rattrap]] is therefore obviously a monstrously huge rat, about the size of a large dog, [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] is a rather small rhinoceros, and [[Optimus Primal]] is probably a roughly normal-sized gorilla. However, [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] is therefore an positively dwarfish specimen of a ''Tyrannosaurus rex''.

In their few interactions with (adult) protohumans, the Cybertronian characters seem between twice and three times the average height of protohumans. Considering human ancestors really were smaller than modern humans, this scale issue is not as extreme as it may appear, but the point deserves addressing.

=== Scale relative to G1 ===
[[Image:Beastwarriors scale.jpg|thumb|left|Beast Megatron's size vs. Optimus Prime in America... and Japan. ''*sigh*'']]

[[Size changing]] appears to be a thing of the past by the Beast Era, as the majority of the Cybertronian race seems to have considerably downgraded in size, apparently due to the [[Maximal Upgrade]] Program (although this is of course a backwards rationalization, since the show's basic premise requires the characters to transform into (vaguely) normal-sized animals, compared to the G1 characters transforming into large vehicles etc.). When entering the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], the Beast Warriors are very small compared to the dormant G1 characters, especially [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. They are roughly the size humans should be (but usually weren't) depicted in relation to these characters.

On the other hand, the Japanese line ''[[Robot Masters]]'' depicted G1 and BW characters like [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Optimus Primal]] as being exactly the same size. Yup. It's vaguely possible that passage through the [[Blasty Zone]] may somehow [[Wikipedia:Boom tube#Later Additions to the Concept|account for this discrepancy]].

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=== Toy scale vs. cartoon scale ===
[[Image:Beastwarsmaxgroup.jpg|right|thumb|350px|Pick the Ultra-class figure.]]

The first waves of ''[[Beast Wars (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' figures were not made in the same relative scale to each other as depicted in the cartoon, although from Season 2 onwards the scales (and general toy-accuracy) of the cartoon became much more consistent with the toys.

For example, of the Season 1 Maximal crew, [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]], Cheetor, [[Tigatron (BW)|Tigatron]] and Rhinox are all from the same deluxe [[size class]], while [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] and Rattrap are considerably smaller basics. Optimus Primal, an ultra, stands at virtually twice the size of the deluxes. In the show, Dinobot is the tallest, followed by Rhinox and a slightly shorter Optimus Primal, shorter again is Tigatron, while shorter still is Cheetor (despite being an identical mold) and Airazor, while Rattrap is marginally the shortest, but by no means to such a degree as his toy would suggest.

The ''[[Beast Machines (toyline)|Beast Machines]]''' toyline was far worse in terms of scale discrepancies with its cartoon, with the tallest character [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]] becoming the shortest ([[micro-continuity|show-featured]]) Maximal toy, and similarly the massive [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]] was reduced to a tiny basic-class (well, in Japan anyway, but the Tank Drones that his BWR toy was redecoed from were supposed to be the same size anyway). And, sadly, the most show-accurate toy in the line (well, ''sorta'' in the line...) "Air Attack [[Optimus Primal]]" was rendered as an enormous supreme figure, completely incompatible with the other toys.

==External links==
*[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/6db411e03e75a342?dmode=source Estimated "real-life" heights for several Transformers, derived from the size of their alt-modes, archived from alt.toys.transformers on groups.google.com]

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Talk:Scale

2007-03-25T15:57:52Z

85.195.123.29:

Hi, this is my second (and much larger) personally-originated article. I hope you like it; I certainly had fun writing it.

As I discussed on [[Micro-Continuities]], I'm keen for people to contribute to the article; I'm not overly precious about it. All I'd ask is that if you really hate something, please discuss it HERE first, rather than outright deleting or extensively re-writing it just yet.

I'd particularly appreciate anyone wanting to add examples from other franchises. It's pretty G1 and Beast Era-centric at the moment. More/better pictures would also be great.

Also, I'd REALLY appreciate any suggestions as to what category(ies) this article should be placed in. I'm really scratching my head here...

Anyway, don't be shy, let the newbie know what you think!

Cheers,
[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

:Wonderful article. I enjoyed it. This is something that's always on my mind when I'm looking at my toys or comics. About the proto-humans in Beast Wars, though: proto-humans were smaller than modern humans (around 4 ft tall). So the scale problems, while still an issue, are not as drastic as they seem. I'm not sure how to integrate that into that section. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 18:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

::Wow, thanks man. And cheers for the protohumans info. Please feel free to contribute anything, especially pictures! Ta, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

I love the subtle hilarious genius of giving this the Things that Don't Exist category. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 05:55, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
:Uncyclopedia reference FTW! --[[User:TVsGrady|TVsGrady]] 04:07, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

== JBW Scales? ==

I remember hearign that the JBW TF's were scaled like classic G1 TF's, not the 8' tall BW-era average, but it's been so longsince i saw parts of BW2 that I can't back that up.<br/>
(This of course creates issues with Primal suddenly getting that size int he teamup. which I suppose is a problem in Robotmasters too.)<br/>
Pic of Robotmasters Primal & Prime vs. a 2-shot from Agenda? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

:I wouldn't know; I've never seen more than the teamup movie of BWII and some painful snippets of BWNeo on YouTube. Frankly I loath the little I've seen of these shows, and most Japanese-originated fiction for that matter, although I don't want to force that opinion on anyone. Love the leader-toys though ;-)

:Please feel free to add anything like that if you can verify it, and if accurate please do point out the resulting scale problem with Primal in relation BW and RM. Cheers, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

::Such misconceptions were probably caused by the fact that in BWII Most of the Destrons turn into vehicles, the J-Beast Warriors are only G1-Sized if we assume that the Destron's vehicle modes are supposed to be real world scale. They could just be tiny vehicles like in Dawn of Futures Past. Which is probably the most likely, as Lio Convoy has been shown to be the same size as the Lion he scanned, while on the other hand Tasmanian Kid turns into a huge Tasmanian Devil, much like Rattrap turns into a huge rat.<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>