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		<title>Talk:Cyclonus (Armada)</title>
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&lt;div&gt;How are we going to do Snowstorm/Snowcat? [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 00:30, 4 April 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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A keyboard, I presume.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:17, 4 April 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Ya know I never thought about that all this time I&#039;ve been working on this wiki with my phone&#039;s fucking number pad [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 02:35, 4 April 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The same way we did [[Smokescreen (UT)]]. The same way that Bumblebee/Goldbug will be handled. One character, one page. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://members.aol.com/regenesis0/kitano.jpg Am I crazy]  AM I CRAZY?&lt;br /&gt;
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Tell me I&#039;m cracy! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:45, 6 August 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Cracy? Sure, Derik, I&#039;ll remind you of your Craciness again. &lt;br /&gt;
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Crazy? No. I see a passing resemblence myself.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Richardstone|Richardstone]] 05:25, 6 August 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it just me or did he have a weird drill mini-con in the series, and a mini-con that became the front face of the &#039;copter for his toy (so that he actually turned into a reasonably shaped helicopter, instead of a flat sawn-off looking one)? [[User:129.215.149.99|129.215.149.99]] 00:10, 23 November 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: Uh... those would be [[Drill Bit (Armada)]] and Crumplezone... aka one of the [[Destruction Mini-Con Team]] and Cyc&#039;s pack-in partner.&lt;br /&gt;
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== A good guy vehicle into a bad guy robot... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Well it obviously happens the same way a good guy robot turns into a bad guy vehicle. Sheesh, hasn&#039;t any of you ever read the GI Joe/Transformers crossovers?&lt;br /&gt;
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: Except it didn&#039;t happen &amp;quot;the same way&amp;quot;. Here we&#039;re talking about Hasbro&#039;s design team taking one of their more iconic vehicle designs for one of their most iconic hero groups, and making a new toy of it as a villain character rather than the expected good-guy, with ZERO story reasoning behind it. The Joe crossover character designs is a purely fiction-driven deal that has nothing to do with toy design. The question is why the TOYMAKERS went this route. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Probably because the series was written by Japanese writers who&#039;d never heard of Gi Joe?&lt;br /&gt;
::Or in more practical terms- it&#039;s difficult for &#039;specialty&#039; vehicle forms like Snowcat&#039;s to work for heroes, who much bear the brunt of narrative focus for many episodes- and thus must &#039;work&#039; in every environment.  (As planes and cars do.)  It&#039;s much easier to ignore Snowcat&#039;s incongruous altmode in a desert if he&#039;s only in 3 minutes of an episode vs. 12 minutes.. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::: The Japanese writers comment makes no sense given that the toy was obviously always a Decepticon, given that he doesn&#039;t Powerlinx and has a Hyper gimmick instead.  He was clearly a Decepticon from day one.  Why he&#039;s a G.I. Joe vehicle despite this is the question, and has nothing to do with We&#039;ve, I&#039;m pretty sure. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::&#039;Zactly. His being CYCLONUS is likely We&#039;ve-tied, but the toy design itself... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:53, 21 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Also the functionality of vehicle modes in Energon is totally inconsequential, since all they do is fly through space anyway. -[[User:LV|LV]] 03:40, 21 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Well since GI Joe doesn&#039;t even exist in the UT-continuity, him being either a good guy or a bad guy vehicle is not an issue since the said vehicle obviously doesn&#039;t exist in the said &#039;verse.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::It is as far as the DESIGN OF THE FUCKING TOY goes. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:21, 23 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Cyclonus = Snowcat in Energon Comics?&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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-I swear I remember reading Snowcat himself Say he is cyclonus in the Energon comics... I brought the first couple of volumes of it, and I&#039;m almost certain when Snowcat first appears, he says this... or is this someone else or appears later on saying &amp;quot;Yeah I am now this guy.... &amp;quot; and not giving any more explaination than that? I&#039;ll try to find my volumes, I think it is in the second volume.....&lt;br /&gt;
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-My mistake, it&#039;s Mirage who appears saying &amp;quot;Remember me? I used to be Tidal Wave, but now I&#039;m a completely different Transformer! Ha!&amp;quot; kind of thing.... Sorry, it was an easy mistake...&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Cyclonus (Armada)</title>
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&lt;div&gt;How are we going to do Snowstorm/Snowcat? [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 00:30, 4 April 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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A keyboard, I presume.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:17, 4 April 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Ya know I never thought about that all this time I&#039;ve been working on this wiki with my phone&#039;s fucking number pad [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 02:35, 4 April 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The same way we did [[Smokescreen (UT)]]. The same way that Bumblebee/Goldbug will be handled. One character, one page. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://members.aol.com/regenesis0/kitano.jpg Am I crazy]  AM I CRAZY?&lt;br /&gt;
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Tell me I&#039;m cracy! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:45, 6 August 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Cracy? Sure, Derik, I&#039;ll remind you of your Craciness again. &lt;br /&gt;
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Crazy? No. I see a passing resemblence myself.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Richardstone|Richardstone]] 05:25, 6 August 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it just me or did he have a weird drill mini-con in the series, and a mini-con that became the front face of the &#039;copter for his toy (so that he actually turned into a reasonably shaped helicopter, instead of a flat sawn-off looking one)? [[User:129.215.149.99|129.215.149.99]] 00:10, 23 November 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: Uh... those would be [[Drill Bit (Armada)]] and Crumplezone... aka one of the [[Destruction Mini-Con Team]] and Cyc&#039;s pack-in partner.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== A good guy vehicle into a bad guy robot... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Well it obviously happens the same way a good guy robot turns into a bad guy vehicle. Sheesh, hasn&#039;t any of you ever read the GI Joe/Transformers crossovers?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: Except it didn&#039;t happen &amp;quot;the same way&amp;quot;. Here we&#039;re talking about Hasbro&#039;s design team taking one of their more iconic vehicle designs for one of their most iconic hero groups, and making a new toy of it as a villain character rather than the expected good-guy, with ZERO story reasoning behind it. The Joe crossover character designs is a purely fiction-driven deal that has nothing to do with toy design. The question is why the TOYMAKERS went this route. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::Probably because the series was written by Japanese writers who&#039;d never heard of Gi Joe?&lt;br /&gt;
::Or in more practical terms- it&#039;s difficult for &#039;specialty&#039; vehicle forms like Snowcat&#039;s to work for heroes, who much bear the brunt of narrative focus for many episodes- and thus must &#039;work&#039; in every environment.  (As planes and cars do.)  It&#039;s much easier to ignore Snowcat&#039;s incongruous altmode in a desert if he&#039;s only in 3 minutes of an episode vs. 12 minutes.. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::: The Japanese writers comment makes no sense given that the toy was obviously always a Decepticon, given that he doesn&#039;t Powerlinx and has a Hyper gimmick instead.  He was clearly a Decepticon from day one.  Why he&#039;s a G.I. Joe vehicle despite this is the question, and has nothing to do with We&#039;ve, I&#039;m pretty sure. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::&#039;Zactly. His being CYCLONUS is likely We&#039;ve-tied, but the toy design itself... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:53, 21 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Also the functionality of vehicle modes in Energon is totally inconsequential, since all they do is fly through space anyway. -[[User:LV|LV]] 03:40, 21 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Well since GI Joe doesn&#039;t even exist in the UT-continuity, him being either a good guy or a bad guy vehicle is not an issue since the said vehicle obviously doesn&#039;t exist in the said &#039;verse.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::It is as far as the DESIGN OF THE FUCKING TOY goes. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:21, 23 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
Cyclonus = Snowcat in Energon Comics?&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
-I swear I remember reading Snowcat himself Say he is cyclonus in the Energon comics... I brought the first couple of volumes of it, and I&#039;m almost certain when Snowcat first appears, he says this... or is this someone else or apepars later on saying &amp;quot;Yeah I am now this guy.... &amp;quot; and not giving any more explaination than that? I&#039;ll try to find my volumes, I think it is in the second volume.....&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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