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Secrets (FOC)

2012-08-31T10:23:48Z

86.163.218.36:

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|title="Secrets"
|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[August 29]], [[2012]]
|coverdate=August 2012
|story by=[[John Barber]]
|art by=[[Dheeraj Verma]]
|colors by=[[Priscilla Tramontano]]
|letters by=[[Chris Mowry]]
|editor=[[John Barber]]
|continuity=[[Aligned continuity family]]
|chronology=[[Aligned timeline|Great War]]
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==Synopsis==

==Featured characters==
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*[[Swoop (WFC)|Swoop]]
|c2=
*[[Shockwave (Prime)|Shockwave]]
*[[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]]
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==Notes==
===Errors===

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[[Category:Fall of Cybertron issues]]

The Tide Is Turned! The Ultimate Weapon, the Victory Unification

2012-07-11T16:32:19Z

86.163.164.147: Star Saber designed the combination, Perceptor only did the rebuilding and added the circuit to SS under pressure.

{{episode
|series=Victory
|ep=30
|image=Tideturnedvictoryunification.jpg
|title="The Tide Is Turned! The Ultimate Weapon, the Victory Unification"
|japanese=逆転! 必殺のビクトリー合体
|romaji=Gyakuten! Hissatsu no Victory Gattai
|production code=
|production company=[[TakaraTomy|Takara]], [[Toei]]
|airdate=17 October 1989
|writer=[[Yoshihisa Araki]]
|director=[[Jōhei Matsūra]]
|animation studio=[[Toei]]
|continuity=[[Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]
}}
'''Deathsaurus threatens the Earth with orbital missile bombardment to keep the Autobots at bay, but he hasn't reckoned with the ultimate power that is Victory Saber!'''

==Synopsis==
[[Image:Victory30 destruction.jpg|left|180px|thumb|]]
[[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]] issues his latest threat to the [[Autobot]]s via video-tape, bragging that he has developed a super smart-missile that can strike anywhere in the world. The deadly projectiles are launched from an orbiting satellite and fire automatically, meaning that even Star Saber will be unable to reach the satellite in time to stop their launch. Deathsaurus quickly demonstrates by targeting Sambalpur, [[India]], and despite the speed with which [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]] issues emergency orders, the [[Multiforce]] and [[Rescue Patrol Team|Rescue Team]] arrive at the location only seconds before the missile impacts. Upon impact, the missile detonates and scatters multiple smaller missiles across the immediate area, hitting Kathmandu, Calcutta, the Bay of Bengal and the Deccan Plateau, causing widespread devastation. After providing aid in Kathmandu, the Rescue Team and Multiforce head for Calcutta, after being given one strict order by Star Saber: Do not engage any [[Decepticon]]s under any circumstances. This is Deathsaurus's true goal—using the threat of his new missiles to stay the Autobots' hand so that his forces can freely gather as much energy as they want.

At an oil refinery in [[Pakistan]], [[Leozack]] and the [[Dinoforce]] casually steal energy from a power plant, while Leozack grumbles over the cowardly nature of the plan. When the Autobots learn of this attack, an alarmed Star Saber instructs the [[Brainmaster]]s to head out at once—[[Victory Leo]] is on patrol in Pakistan and is unaware of Deathsaurus's missile plan, meaning that he's sure to attack the Decepticons on sight! Star Saber's fear proves correct as Victory Leo tears through the Dinoforce, dismissing Leozack's warning about the missiles as a bluff. The Brainmasters arrive just in time to stop him before [[Gōryū]] reports the attack to Deathsaurus, and find themselves having to restrain Victory Leo physically.

[[Image:Victory30 victorysaber.jpg|right|180px|thumb|You are the Last Dragon! You possess the power of the Glow!]]
Back at the [[Shuttle Base]], Star Saber realizes that in order to defeat Deathsaurus's scheme, there is only one option: use the special circuit [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] has implanted within him to combine with Victory Leo. Perceptor tries to dissuade Star Saber from the strategy, fearful of the strain the process will put upon the [[Supreme Commander]]'s body, but Star Saber is resolute and departs.

On their way to Calcutta, [[Wingwaver]], [[Pīpō]], [[Holi]] and [[Jean Minakaze|Jean]] run into [[Jallguar]], [[Guyhawk]] and [[Killbison]], who are in the middle of carrying off some energy, pausing only to mock the Autobots before heading off on their way. In Pakistan, Victory Leo and the Brainmasters are getting the same treatment from the Dinoforce (particularly [[Kakuryū]], who just can't help himself) when Star Saber arrives. Thinking that Star Saber's arrival means that the fighting is back on, Victory Leo charges at Leozack, only to be intercepted by Star Saber, who tries to explain that the true enemy is in space. Victory Leo ignores him and tries to press his attack, forcing Star Saber to lay him out. Predictably, this hurls Victory Leo into a flaming rage, and he unleashes a barrage of blows on Star Saber, but the Supreme Commander does not strike back, simply taking the hits and pleading for Victory Leo to work with him. As their eyes meet and Victory Leo sees the determination in his commander's eyes, he agrees, and the combination circuit implanted in Star Saber's head is activated. Star Saber and Victory Leo transform into their flight modes, fuse together into the colossal "Victory Saber", and immediately rocket into the heavens at monumental speed. With this additional speed, Star Saber is easily able to outrace Deathsaurus's satellite, reaching it before it launches the next volley of missiles. Star Saber and Victory Leo disconnect, transform and recombine into a mighty new Victory Saber robot mode, and are about to destroy the satellite when Deathsaurus himself appears to hold them off. Although he puts up a good fight, Deathsaurus is unable to stand up to Victory Saber's power and is blasted off into space, allowing Victory Saber to destroy the satellite and missiles.

News of victory quickly reaches the Autobots on Earth, and the Brainmasters make short work of Leozack and the Dinoforce, while Wingwaver looks under rocks for Decepticons to fight, much to Holi and Jean's amusement.

{{--}}
==Featured characters==
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*[[Wingwaver]] (1)
*[[Dash (Victory)|Dash]] (2)
*[[Tacker]] (3)
*[[Mach]] (4)
*[[Tackle]] (5)
*[[Dashtacker]] (6)
*[[Machtackle]] (7)
*[[Pīpō]] (8)
*[[Holi]] (9)
*[[Boater]] (10)
*[[Fire]] (11)
*[[Galaxy Shuttle]] (13)
*[[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]] (14)
*[[Blacker]] (15)
*[[Braver]] (16)
*[[Laster]] (17)
*[[Victory Leo]] (25)
*[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] (27)
*[[Minerva (Masterforce)|Minerva]] (28)
*[[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] (29)

|c2=
*[[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]] (18)
*[[Doryū]] (19)
*[[Yokuryū]] (20)
*[[Kakuryū]] (21)
*[[Gairyū]] (22)
*[[Leozack]] (23)
*[[Gōryū]] (24)
*[[Jallguar]] (30)
*[[Guyhawk]] (31)
*[[Killbison]] (32)
*[[Rairyū]] (33)

|c3=
*[[Jean Minakaze]] (12)

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*[[Lionbreast]] (26)
}}

==Quotes==

"This isn't a circus! Walk straight!"
:—'''Gōryū''' is unimpressed with Kakuryū's antics.

"What kind of world allows something this stupid?!" 
"Our insides are boiling over this as well!"
:—'''Victory Leo''' and '''Blacker'''

{{Note|The following quotes are from the Omni Productions dub}}

"The evil Decepticons are very devious. They're capable of anything, you know."
:—'''Wingwaver'''

"That evil man!"
:—'''Laster''' on Deathsaurus

"You want to destroy the missiles? Go away!" 
"Deathsaurus, get out of my way!" 
"It's not a threat!"
:—'''Deathsaurus''' and '''Victory Saber''' making even less sense than usual.

==Notes==
===Animation and technical errors===
*When Victory Leo agrees to work together with Star Saber, Star Saber's head is gray instead of blue.
* While ''Transformers'' has never really striven for realism, at one point when Victory Saber and Deathsaurus are fighting in space, the Decepticon leader unleashes his [[fire-breath]]. In space.
* In the Latin dub, Minerva has a male voice.

===Continuity errors===
* In this episode, both [[Wingwaver]] and [[Boater]] run in robot mode while their team mates roll or fly, presumably because their boat modes wouldn't be able to move across land. In the [[Awaken! Victory Leo|previous episode]], however, [[Waver]] was able to cross the ground despite a distinct lack of wheels.

===Transformers references===
*Perceptor, Wheeljack and Minerva have been on Earth since "[[Ginrai Dies!!]]". The show continues to refrain from actually referring to them by name.
*It was also back in "Ginrai Dies!!" that Victory Leo's body design was established to be a power-up for Star Saber. The combination circuit to allow this merger was implanted in Star Saber's head in the [[Awaken! Victory Leo|previous episode]].

===Foreign dubbing===
'''English'''
:*''Title:'' "'''The Indestructible Combination'''" ([[Omni Productions]] dub)
:*''Original airdate:'' ?
::* Jean says he and Holi were "working in North America" when they got the call to get to India.
::* Instead of wondering if the incoming missile is a dud, Wingwaver shouts that it is a "multi-headed missile" before it's done anything to suggest as such.
::* The four missile targets are listed as "north to Tibet, east to Chungnan island, south to the Pacific Ocean, west to Central Asia". Of course, the ''Indian'' ocean is south of India...
::* Deathsaurus specifically mentions that the missiles he's using are multi-headed missiles in the recorded warning he sent Star Saber, raising the question of why the Autobots were taken by surprise at the missile's nature.
::* As usual, Kakuryū's singing of "[[Cybertron Banzai]]" is absent from the English dub.
::* Gōryū says the energy will explode if Kakuryū drops it.
::* Perceptor says Star Saber's flight speed will be "doubled" rather than multiplied many times.

'''Spanish'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Una Combinación Indestuctible'''" ("A Indestructible Combination")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

===Trivia===
* There was a two-week break between the previous episode and this one when the series originally aired.
* Yet another episode that defers use of one of the show's stock title cards, which present the title as white-text-on-black.
* Minerva speaks for the first time since she first appeared in ''Victory''. She has a different voice actress from her ''[[Super-God Masterforce (cartoon)|Super-God Masterforce]]'' appearances.
* When Deathsaurus is told that Star Saber is heading towards his missile launcher, he's seen communicating using a phone as opposed to something more futuristic.
* Deathsaurus's plan with the missile launcher is a little overthought. He decides to tell the Autobots about it and just uses it as a threat to keep them from interfering with his flunkies collecting energy, and never even seems to consider using it on the Autobots.

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote|jsubs}}
;DVD
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2003 — ''Transformers: Victory'' — DVD Box 02 ([[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer LDC]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2006 — The Takara Collection Vol 3 — ''Transformers: Victory'' ([[Metrodome]]) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2007 — ''Transformers'' — The Complete Takara Collection (Metrodome) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2008 — ''The Transformers: Victory'' ([[Madman Entertainment]]) — Optional [[Omni Productions|Omni]] dub. 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2009 — ''The Transformers: Japan Generation 1'' — Complete Collection (Madman Entertainment) — Optional Omni dub.

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[[Category:Victory episodes]]

Talk:The Transformers (Marvel comic)

2012-06-06T22:18:57Z

86.163.121.36: /* Somes changes to the UK section */

==Organization==

It's good to see some summaries showing up, but I think we need to think about how to organize things. IMO, there should be a "main" article for every comic book series which includes an overview and a list of issues. Each issue of the comic will then have its own article.

That does, however, raise the question of how to name the pages for comic issues, especially the original comic where even using issue names may cause conflict between the US and UK editions. I think that issue names are a better way to go than issue numbers, at least.

I'm inclined to say that the UK comic should be treated as the "real" comic series because of its additional material. The US comic is a subset of it.

A page for a UK comic issue then, in my ideal world, would be named after the issue. Among other information near the top of the article, it would state whether that UK story appeared in a US issue or not, and if so, what issue (number and name).

A page for a US comic issue has two possibilities: If the issue name was also an issue name for the UK version, there simply is no separate page for the US issue. If the US issue name was not duplicated in the UK (and I don't even know if that ever happened) then the US issue article should just redirect to the appropriate UK issue which reprints the first part of that US issue.

This all just off the top of my head, and shouldn't be taken as authoritative or anything. Still, I am really big on the idea of organizing things in a systematic way, and I think that this would make things a lot easier. I would welcome comments from others.

--[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 06:47, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

(G.B. Blackrock: 2006/03/07 - 7:24 pm PST) While I can see the reason for wanting to make the UK comic primary, and the US comic a subset, that would pretty much make it impossible for me to complete any more entries, as I have no idea where the breaks would come in the middle of the US stories, even assuming I consulted a chart telling me which UK issue lined up with which US story....

If someone would set up a template, I'm happy to make my existing entries match the template. As it is, I'm creating stuff from scratch. Seemed necessary with so little existing on the board already.... [[User:G.B. Blackrock]]

(G.B. Blackrock: 2006/03/09 - 10:14 am PST) I've held off on making any further additions for the moment in hopes that someone else might come on with input. I certainly agree that a standardized organizational scheme would be helpful. I'm inclined at the moment to go ahead with my US entries, and let anyone who has the UK comics make their entries in the still-separate UK comics page. It would be a reasonably simple matter to link the appropriate UK issues to their US counterparts, but then I don't have to worry about incorporating UK continuity into the US line, since I don't have these issues.

Furthermore, while the UK continuity does ''mostly'' contain all of the US continuity, there are a few rather significant differences, such as the reason why Bumblebee was rebuilt into Goldbug.

For these reasons, I'm inclined to continue treating US continuity as separate from the UK continuity, and not as a subset. I am still open to other opinions, especially in regard to standardization.[[User:G.B. Blackrock]]

As I understand it, about 90% of the comic is identical between the versions (excluding the additional content for the UK comics). So it would be far simpler to just use the UK comics, and just mention any differences as they appear, when appropriate, within the article itself.

This is, of course, assuming I'm not mistaken, which I am quite often.--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 19:49, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

(G.B. Blackrock: 2006/03/09 - 4:56 pm PST) At the risk of sounding US-centric, I still think making the US entries a "sub-set" of the UK ones would cause more confusion than help. If someone can actually ''demonstrate'' how this would play out be actualy creating some entries that I could follow the pattern of, I'd be happy to be proven wrong, though.[[User:G.B. Blackrock]]

I don't think necessarily either need to be considered a sub-set; but over IRC, Jhi raised a few valid points. The headers for comic issue pages should give the US and UK issue numbers equal billing, especially if we're just going to have the UK issue list link to them. Individual articles should be about the story as it appears in ''both'' countries' issues. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 00:02, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

My thought was to give the original publisher primacy, and list other versions of the same story below. So "Man of Iron" would list the UK printing up top, but the US reissues below, for example.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 00:13, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

==Main G1 comics==
It occurs to me that our current listing has one link for the G1 Marvel comics, but that the three separate DW comics (none of which have pages, it would seem) are given separate links. Either we should add the Marvel Headmasters, TFU, and the GI/Joe crossover (which was in the same continuity, even if it WAS later ignored) here, or we should consolidate the DW entries. The latter is my preference, but I'm wondering if that would create unforeseen problems elsewhere. Thoughts?--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 18:55, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

==UK "issue" pages==

(snipping a lot of stuff that's probably not of any further interest. People can get them back out with "history" if they disagree....)

I wonder if, especially for UK comics, we should change the links so that each UK issue links to a separate "issue" page, with the separate stories being linked as they currently are (all current comic pages are organized by story title). Besides the "back-up" features you mention, later UK TF comics often have TWO TF stories running concurrently, and the current system does not account for this well. But I'm not the best person to suggest an alternative. My expertise is in the US comic, which tended to have just one story per issue, and little else. The US comic even tended to break up story arcs into individual titles for each issue more often than not....

Shouldn't we have talked about merging the UK and US comics into one entry before actually doing it?....--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 23:35, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

:Should we have? It's easily fixed if that's deemed not acceptable. The real big change here was making [[List of Generation 1 comics|Generation 1 (comic)]] be a disambiguation rather than blurb on the Marvel US comic, because that is most certainly ''not'' the only Generation 1 comic, and it's probably not even the one that most people would be interested in.
:I decided to just fold the content in that article into Marvel UK, because do we ''really'' need two seperate pages on the two Marvel comics? If we actually do get enough content to warrant two articles, it's easy enough to split the two. But like I said, the major change her isn't the merge, it's putting a proper disambiguation page at the G1 comic link.
:Apologies for the alleged "UK bias" in the little blurb. I've never actually read any significant part of either Marvel comic, and know next to nothing about either, so I can say that definitely was not intended. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 00:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

It's not a big deal to have them merged, and the way it was done (leaving the US and UK sections separate within the same page) I can live with. I'm absolutely opposed to folding all the US stuff into the UK page, though, as I've said elsewhere. I do ''not'' see these two as the same entity, but rather as two distinct, yet often similar and occasionally overlapping, entities. I just would have liked to be aware of the change beforehand, is all.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 00:46, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I've written a bit more on the UK comic, trying to explain its format and its relationship with the US comic. I think I'm right in identifying the 'Perchance to Dream' storyline as the point where US and UK separate, but I can't remember when the original UK material dried up. Was it around #290? --[[User:Tribimat|Tribimat]] 02:08, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

:Actually, I see it differently. I don't see the US and the UK as "separating," because I see them as ''already separate.'' They may look the same in many cases, but they're separate. This is borne out by the few, but significant, differences between them, such as how Bumblebee is turned into Goldbug. Clearly, there is room for differences of opinion on how individuals look at the canon, but the fact that there ARE these distinctions are part of why I oppose any attempt to force US stories ''into'' the UK continuity on this Wiki, which should essentially present the facts as they appear. (Incidentally, the way you describe the UK version in the actual article is fine with me)--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 03:34, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Seperating the UK and US comics would give legitimate space to discuss the various special features the UK comic had which had no counterpart in the US comic. Things like the letters pages answered by Transformer characters, fact files (which, in the early days weren't straight reprints of Transformers: The Universe), back up strips, competitions, humourous strips (Robo Capers, Matt and the Cat, Combat Colin - some of which had directly Transformer-related content). Sorry, can't sign this comment as I'm just a visitor.

==How to deal with UK issues with multiple stories==
I'm still trying to figure out how to deal with the issues in the UK (especially around the late-200s) that have more than one story contained therein. The current set-up probably won't continue to work for these issues. How's this for an option?

{|style="margin:0 auto;padding:0 auto" align=center id=toc
!align=center bgcolor=#6699CC|'''Marvel UK issues (lead stories):'''
|-
|| [[Kings of the Wild Frontier.|#284]] | [[Kings of the Wild Frontier.|#285]] | [[Deadly Obsession|#286]] | [[Deadly Obsession|#287]] | [[Deadly Obsession|#288]] | [[Deadly Obsession|#289]]
|}

{|style="margin:0 auto;padding:0 auto" align=center id=toc
!align=center bgcolor=#6699CC|'''Marvel UK issues (back-up stories):'''
|-
|| [[Assassins|#284]] | [[External Forces!|#285]] | [[The Lesser Evil!|#286]] | [[Inside Story!|#287]] | [[Front Line! (issue)|#288]] | [[End of the Road! (UK)|#289]]
|}
Note that the back-up to UK #289 is a different "End of the Road" than US #80 (Which is actually entitled "The End of the Road," which may or may not seem significant.)--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 18:48, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
: Looks good to me. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 22:18, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

: Is there a way to get all information on a particular issue onto an entry for that issue? For instance, issue 213 will have a "US Story" link that refers to the relevant US strip (which will be identical for 214-216), a "UK Story" section that gives a full account of the UK strip (in this instance, I think it's Megatron's return to Cybertron with Ravage), and a "Back-up Story" section that gives a brief account of the back-up strip. I realise that the back-up stories in most cases aren't TF-related, but they were an integral part of the UK comic experience. I'll try to put an example entry together this week and you can see what you think.

: Incidentally, I take the point about the UK and US continuities not being the same. I'm not at all hung up on "canon" and am much more interested in detailing the things as stories. I just wanted to say that #255-60 is where the two parallel continuities go in completely and irreconcilably different directions. At some point I'd also like to write something about how Furman used his knowledge of what was happening in the US stories to foreshadow later events - the story 'Prey' and the return to Cybertron (UK #97-104) is a classic example, featuring both Optimus Prime's "death" and Megatron's madness.

: Now that I think about it, the letters page was often used as a vehicle for explaining how the US and UK stories fitted together. They should be an excellent resource for this sort of thing. When I've got access to the original issues again, I'll see what comes up.--[[User:Tribimat|Tribimat]] 00:22, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

::Actually, my preference (other things being equal) would be to have the comics entries organized by issue number, but it was decided early on that it would be redundant to have separate pages for issues of the UK comic that were largely already duplicated on the US page for the similar story. (US stories tend to be 1-per-issue. This not often the case in the UK comic.) A compromise position was to make the pages story-specific, rather than issue-specific. This is working for now, but as I've already noted, appears as though it may be unwieldy as we look at UK issues in the future. I could do this issue-by-issue for the entire US series with no trouble at all, but I'm not arrogant enough to think that the US is the only, or even the "most correct," way of looking at it. I've argued fairly strongly for US comic integrity, but have tried to stop short of giving it "supremacy." It's just that the US comic is what I know. I know it fairly well. But I don't have the background to say much about the UK comic beyond what I know from the Internet.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 02:51, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I've come across some issues of the UK comic that have two TF-related stories, but the "lead" story is just a reprint, while the "back-up" black-and-white story is new. (So far, I've only put links for #221-228 that fit this description) Under the rubric I proposed above, I've felt compelled to make the link in the main (i.e. "lead story") UK chart go to the reprinted story, while the new story is relegated to the "back-up" chart. This technically seems to work, but seems rather unsatisfying. Thoughts?--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 20:41, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

:I've decided that it would be simpler to only put 2nd stories in the bottom grid in the cases where one of the two TF stories contained has not already been printed in the UK previously. This means that some "back up" black and whites are actually in the top grid, but since these tend to be the stories featured on the front cover (since the "main" color story is a reprint), that makes more sense, I think.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 02:49, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

==The UK Annuals==
Hi. I was just wondering if there should be a space on this page for the UK Annuals and if so what format it should take? There were a couple of annual stories that linked heavily into the main UK strip so it seems like something that is needed for the sake of completion.

As each annual contains several stories and there are only a few of them I was going to suggest a seperate table for each annual with links to individual stories. Does anyone have any opinions/guidance on this?--[[User:Omnisvalidus|Omnisvalidus]] 18:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

:As nobody has comented on this I have added the annuals in. [[User:Omnisvalidus|Omnisvalidus]] 18:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

==Issue Numbers, Issue Titles==
This is a very useful page, what with having all the issues linked by number. Unfortunately, it's also a somewhat difficult page to find. Few if any of the individual issues link back to it. Instead, they link back to [[:Category:Marvel_US_issues]], which lo and behold doesn't list the issue numbers.

So if you're browsing along, and suddenly find yourself on, say, [[Trial by Fire!]], good luck finding the page about the next issue. Shouldn't the issue titles in the category also mention a number, and shouldn't there be a sequential listing that all the issues link back to?

OR OR OR, as Sipher just mentioned, there's a "Next issue/Previous issue" box floating around on a few issues' pages. That'd at least provide continuity if it got worked onto all the pages. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 07:14, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

=="Comic" or "Comics"? (also, upper or lower-case?)==
A recent revision was made to the Marvel G1 link so that it wouldn't have to "redirect" to the actual site. I agree with this, in principle. However, it highlights an inconsistency, as we now have links for [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Generation 1 (Marvel Comics)]] and [[Transformers: Generation 1 (Dreamwave) |Generation 1 (Dreamwave comic)]]. One or both of these should be changed to resemble the other. Do we go with the singular "comic" or the plural "comics"? (Also, capitalization should be consistent. I'm assuming that lower-case is preferred. Indeed, I'd suggest "comic" as the preferable form, since the title of this very page uses the lower-case singular form.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 00:00, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
: "Marvel Comics" is the name of the company, so that is why it is capitalized. Dreamwave's company title does not have "Comics" in it, so "comics" is added so we know what kind medium the fiction is. The difference in capitalization between the two is INTENTIONAL. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:03, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
::I don't know if I buy that explanation... Or, rather, even if you are literally sure it's intentional and aren't rationalizing a mistake, I don't think that explanation suffices. There is no need to specify the media type in the parenthetical. The two should match in structure, being either "Dreamwave" and "Marvel Comics" or "Dreamwave comic" and "Marvel Comics comic" (which sounds stupid). I'd also accept dropping the "Comics" part of Marvel's name since it's not really needed, and also that's not their name anymore anyway. That would give us "Dreamwave"/"Marvel" or "Dreamwave comic"/"Marvel comic". --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 01:01, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
::::"rationalizing a mistake"? Dude, I go through pages and FIX the capitalization it so it's that way, for that reason. This is almost entirely in the fiction sections of all the articles, but specifying "comics" in some fashion after "Marvel" after "Generation 1" is crucial, as, well, you know, the cartoon was co-produced by Marvel. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::So, obviously its intentional. Still, I'd rather see something more consistent. It looks more and more like this particular convention exists only because it's never been noticed as being inconsistent before. By all means, point out "comic" in some fashion after "Marvel." But I still think that "comic" is more appropriate than "Comics", the fact (is it still a fact? Steve-o suggests it isn't anymore.) of Marvel's name being "Marvel Comics" notwithstanding.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 05:29, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Having [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 (cartoon)]] and "Generation 1 (Marvel)" co-exists bothers me.
:::I vote for "Generation 1 (Marvel comic)" and "Generation 1 (Dreamwave comic)".
:::There's probably 20 different articles that can be called "Generation 1 (somedisambig)". Just for comics we've had Marvel, Blackthorne, Benchpress (well, not really) 2 different manga publishers, Dreamwave, and IDW. And that's not even all G1 TF comics (Devil's Due's version of the TFU has a non-generic name that avoids it being chronicled under the generic 'Generation 1' label.)
:::Are there ''any'' other articles of this sort where we ''don't'' put the media type in the disambig? I think... in any franchise with more than 1 type of media, the media-type should be ''standard'' as part of the disambig.
:::Disambigs don't ''have'' to provide contextual information, but I think in G1's case, with ''so many'' articles, it's a good idea. Additionally, it would make the G1 articles better fit with the disambiging format used by other franchises. (For the most part other franchises don't have to deal with multiple publishers of a single kind of media, so their sub-pages are ''always'' disambig'd by type of media.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:40, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
It really shouldn't matter that it's just "Marvel" now; we should only be concerned about the name in effect when the comics were actually being published. Unless we're retconning all instances of "Takara" into "TakaraTomy". [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 01:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
:Perhaps not, but I still prefer "Marvel comic" for the sake of consistency to "Dreamwave comic". "Marvel" is descriptive enough that everyone knows what's being talked about. It need not be precisely the name of the company.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 02:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

==Annual years and releases==

(I'm raising this here as there isn't a generic article for the annuals and it could affect all of them.)

It's my recollection that the annuals released 1985-1987 were always referenced as being the annual for the year of publication (e.g. issue #65, printed in 1986, has a caption referring to "this year's annual"), but from 1988 onwards the annuals are referred to as the next's years, even though the books themselves don't give specific dates (whereas other Marvel UK annuals for Action Force, Thundercats and Visionaries released in 1988 all explicitly say they're the 1989 annual). This has led to quite a bit of confusion over the years as to which annual is which. [[Transformers Annual 1986#Items of Note]] currently states:

''This was the first annual, published for Christmas 1985. Due to the 1985 print date in the cover it is frequently mistakenly referred to as the 1985 annual, however annuals are always printed at the end of the year before.''

Whilst this is the main practice, is there any evidence it specifically applied to Marvel UK in 1985-1987?

Also most of the annuals state they were released in December, but I recall the announcements and adverts for them tended to be in the summer. Further to this the annual released in 1987 is explicitly followed up in stories printed that autumn (issues 135-138) which would have been awkward if the annual wasn't yet on sale. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 21:48, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

:The annuals usually appeared in the shops in August or September, believe it or not, so the 1987 annual appeared before ''Grudge Match'' did, and only a few weeks after ''Fire on High'' (the story to which it concluded). What confuses the issue for a lot of people who were kids at the time is that traditionally they didn't get the annuals until Christmas, whilst the comics seemed to often assume that kids would rush out and get them the second they came out. As for which album came out in which year, going by the copyright date seems to be a fairly accurate way of doing it, as that refers to the year in which it was physically published.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 23:07, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

::I did post something on this somewhere but it's gone astray. Looking through the comics from the time, the annuals (including other Marvel UK output) released in 1986 and 1987 are usually explicitly named as that year's annual. The 1988 release, however, is ambiguous with either "this year's" or "the [Transformers] annual". The 1989-1991 annuals were described with the following year's date.
::Within the annuals themselves only the 1991 release identifies itself in the copyright info as being the "1992" annual. It's notable that the 1988 release doesn't give a year when the contemporary Action Force, Thundercats and Visionaries annuals all identify themselves as the 1989 annual.
::The early Marvel UK practice appears to be in contrast to the general UK trend in children's annuals which is to use the following year, since they are targetted at the Christmand market (and it also gives leftover stock a longer shelf-life). [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 11:20, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

==Somes changes to the UK section==

I adjusted the UK section with more accurate information on the comic's format changes, which were more complex than originally stated. Most notably, the comic returned to a fortnightly schedule from issue 309 onwards, which is also when they ditched the three-strip structure and returned to the 'classic' format of one Transformers story and one back-up strip. Since I still have almost the whole run of Transformers UK comics in fairly good condition (issues #24-#332), I might take a look at going through the UK comics and adding in any missing information. On the issue of how 'canon' the UK/USA intermingling of stories are, my assessment is that the combined UK/US run is the 'correct' one, given that the later Furman comics refer to events in the UK continuity (Deathbringer, Xaaron, the UK 'creation myth' which appeared many years before in the US etc), with a nod at the headache-inducing Goldbug-creation issue.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 21:58, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

:Hold on, didn't the format change with 310, not 309?

:309 contained three strips - "The Price of Life" (Part 1), a partial reprint of "The Enemy Within" (Part 2), and topped off with a Machine Man backup as the third strip.

:The change to two strips actually ocurred in 310, which had "The Price of Life" (Part 2) and Machine Man.

:As such, there was a gap in "The Enemy Within" reprints so they could tie up the Machine Man story (issues 310-312).

:The change to two strips (instead of three) was why "The Enemy Within" was put on ice for three issues, because they had to finish off the Machine Man run before they could continue with the reprints.

:I've taken the liberty of tweaking the text to reflect this.--[[Special:Contributions/86.163.121.36|86.163.121.36]] 18:16, 6 June 2012 (EDT)

==(Marvel Comics) vs. (Marvel comic)==
I think this parenthetical should change to "(Marvel comic)". It's always confusing to me when I'm linking here, since we don't say "[[Transformers: Armada (Dreamwave)|(DW Productions)]]" or "[[Transformers: Armada (Panini)|(Panini Comics)]]". - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 23:32, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:Why not just (Marvel)? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:52, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::Unless you're suggesting a sitewide change, that would still have the inconsistency problem. '''Edit:''' And now that I've actually ''read'' all that discussion I just moved from [[Talk:List of Generation 1 comics|Talk:Generation 1 (comic)]]... it looks like everybody but Walky who put in a vote was agreeing on "(Marvel comic)", with some pretty firm reasoning. So based on that, I'm going to go ahead and move the article. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:13, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Again, why two words when one will do? What other "The Transformers" by Marvel are we distinguishing it from? The same goes for Dreamwave and anyone else. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 01:48, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:::To clarify... "Dreamwave comic" is meant to distinguish it from "Panini comic" or whatever other ''Armada'' comics exist. But in that context, the "comic" becomes unnecessary and should be dropped completely. The ONLY viable argument for keeping it is that Dreamwave also did the mini-comics that came with the toys, but a (mini-comic) disambig should be enough to distinguish between the two.
:::The purposes of a diambig is to allow the co-existence of similarly-named pages, and to allow the reader to figure out which one they're looking for -- not to serve as a descriptor of the page's contents. I say we kill the "comic", across the board. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 01:56, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
::::I see your logic, and the only counterpoint I can think of is that we ''have'' made concessions in our parentheticals for the sake of consistency within a small group. For instance, "Nightstick (Cyclonus)" used to be "Nightstick (Decepticon)", but part of [[Talk:Nightstick_(Cyclonus)#Move|the argument for moving it]] was that it didn't "fit" with [[Nightstick (Artfire)]] and [[Nightstick (Ricochet)]]. Likewise, the ''Shattered Glass'' pages used to be a hodgepodge of "(Shattered Glass)" and "(Timelines)" parentheticals, but they've since all been moved to the former for group-consistency, despite the valid logic that had made them different as individuals. And in this case, as Derik pointed out above, the disparity between [[The Transformers (cartoon)]] and "The Transformers (Marvel)" is kind of jarring. If we use the media in one, it seems fitting to use it in all. I admit that this is a judgement-call area, and I'm by no means steadfastly defending it. But if forced to choose between one or the other, I prefer keeping the media in. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 02:10, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::You know, we actually could move it to The Transformers (comic), since there's only one comic by that name.
:::::But regardless, it should be either The Transformers (Marvel) or The Transformers (comic). It makes sense just fine to me to first disambiguate by medium, then switch to by company only if a medium has more than one same-named series by more than one company. But using both medium ''and'' company in cases where either by itself would be sufficient is redundant and makes more work for editors.
:::::Alternatively we could think about switching to differentiating always by company if we really want to keep things consistent, since that seems like it would also produce only one word parentheticals most of the time, but I just don't see having both "cartoon" and "Marvel" as a problem really. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 07:23, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::''You know, we actually could move it to The Transformers (comic), since there's only one comic by that name.''
::::::That's so obvious, it never even occurred to me. It should absolutely be "The Transformers (comic)". Anyone disagree?
::::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 12:57, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Image:G1_Vol.3_Issue0_1.jpg] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:11, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::The "Generation One" subtitle pretty handily wipes away that problem! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 13:29, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::[[The Transformers (Madman)]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:17, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Ah, thank you. That actually brings up a good point: Nowhere in that article does it actually SAY it's a comic book. It even says "Cartoon continuity" (which is of course correct, but it still obscures the fact). It's not hard to intuit that it's printed material, but we should really be clearer than that. If we kept up the trend of including media-type in the parenthetical, then it wouldn't be a problem. But really, that isn't the parenthetical's job. What we need is maybe a standard addition to the infobox. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 01:31, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:As I'm going through *all* the Marvel comics, trying to clean them up, I'd appreciate it if the Jackass who moved the article could spend a bit of time fixing the millions of links too? Or should we hold off until there's another completely pointless page move? --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 08:47, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
::You DO realize we have a bot that's made just for fixing exactly this sort of thing, right? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 09:11, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Requests for moves can be put up at [[User:Deceptitran/Requests]]. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 09:18, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Well if I was the one moving pages for no apparent reason, the first thing I'd do is set the bot to fix the links. I can only assume that happened here...
:::...except it seems to have changed only the links to ''The Transformers'' (US) on each page. Most ''The Transformers'' (UK) links still point to "Generation 1 (Marvel Comics)" or "The Transformers (Marvel Comics)", either with or without the #Marvel UK rider. The whole thing's a clusterfuck right now and I was looking forward to basking in the gentle glow of victory, having uploaded the last of the Marvel UK covers last night. I just don't see the point of creating all the extra work for ourselves because someone is "confused" by the difference between (Marvel Comics) and (Marvel comic). --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 09:28, 11 July 2009 (EDT)

== Marvel UK reprints of American strips ==

Just to clarify without having to check every link - the Marvel UK section says that the UK comic reprinted "the American stories". Does this mean ''every'' American story was reprinted in the UK comic? And if not, which ones weren't? [[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 10:21, 20 April 2012 (EDT)

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==Organization==

It's good to see some summaries showing up, but I think we need to think about how to organize things. IMO, there should be a "main" article for every comic book series which includes an overview and a list of issues. Each issue of the comic will then have its own article.

That does, however, raise the question of how to name the pages for comic issues, especially the original comic where even using issue names may cause conflict between the US and UK editions. I think that issue names are a better way to go than issue numbers, at least.

I'm inclined to say that the UK comic should be treated as the "real" comic series because of its additional material. The US comic is a subset of it.

A page for a UK comic issue then, in my ideal world, would be named after the issue. Among other information near the top of the article, it would state whether that UK story appeared in a US issue or not, and if so, what issue (number and name).

A page for a US comic issue has two possibilities: If the issue name was also an issue name for the UK version, there simply is no separate page for the US issue. If the US issue name was not duplicated in the UK (and I don't even know if that ever happened) then the US issue article should just redirect to the appropriate UK issue which reprints the first part of that US issue.

This all just off the top of my head, and shouldn't be taken as authoritative or anything. Still, I am really big on the idea of organizing things in a systematic way, and I think that this would make things a lot easier. I would welcome comments from others.

--[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 06:47, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

(G.B. Blackrock: 2006/03/07 - 7:24 pm PST) While I can see the reason for wanting to make the UK comic primary, and the US comic a subset, that would pretty much make it impossible for me to complete any more entries, as I have no idea where the breaks would come in the middle of the US stories, even assuming I consulted a chart telling me which UK issue lined up with which US story....

If someone would set up a template, I'm happy to make my existing entries match the template. As it is, I'm creating stuff from scratch. Seemed necessary with so little existing on the board already.... [[User:G.B. Blackrock]]

(G.B. Blackrock: 2006/03/09 - 10:14 am PST) I've held off on making any further additions for the moment in hopes that someone else might come on with input. I certainly agree that a standardized organizational scheme would be helpful. I'm inclined at the moment to go ahead with my US entries, and let anyone who has the UK comics make their entries in the still-separate UK comics page. It would be a reasonably simple matter to link the appropriate UK issues to their US counterparts, but then I don't have to worry about incorporating UK continuity into the US line, since I don't have these issues.

Furthermore, while the UK continuity does ''mostly'' contain all of the US continuity, there are a few rather significant differences, such as the reason why Bumblebee was rebuilt into Goldbug.

For these reasons, I'm inclined to continue treating US continuity as separate from the UK continuity, and not as a subset. I am still open to other opinions, especially in regard to standardization.[[User:G.B. Blackrock]]

As I understand it, about 90% of the comic is identical between the versions (excluding the additional content for the UK comics). So it would be far simpler to just use the UK comics, and just mention any differences as they appear, when appropriate, within the article itself.

This is, of course, assuming I'm not mistaken, which I am quite often.--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 19:49, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

(G.B. Blackrock: 2006/03/09 - 4:56 pm PST) At the risk of sounding US-centric, I still think making the US entries a "sub-set" of the UK ones would cause more confusion than help. If someone can actually ''demonstrate'' how this would play out be actualy creating some entries that I could follow the pattern of, I'd be happy to be proven wrong, though.[[User:G.B. Blackrock]]

I don't think necessarily either need to be considered a sub-set; but over IRC, Jhi raised a few valid points. The headers for comic issue pages should give the US and UK issue numbers equal billing, especially if we're just going to have the UK issue list link to them. Individual articles should be about the story as it appears in ''both'' countries' issues. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 00:02, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

My thought was to give the original publisher primacy, and list other versions of the same story below. So "Man of Iron" would list the UK printing up top, but the US reissues below, for example.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 00:13, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

==Main G1 comics==
It occurs to me that our current listing has one link for the G1 Marvel comics, but that the three separate DW comics (none of which have pages, it would seem) are given separate links. Either we should add the Marvel Headmasters, TFU, and the GI/Joe crossover (which was in the same continuity, even if it WAS later ignored) here, or we should consolidate the DW entries. The latter is my preference, but I'm wondering if that would create unforeseen problems elsewhere. Thoughts?--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 18:55, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

==UK "issue" pages==

(snipping a lot of stuff that's probably not of any further interest. People can get them back out with "history" if they disagree....)

I wonder if, especially for UK comics, we should change the links so that each UK issue links to a separate "issue" page, with the separate stories being linked as they currently are (all current comic pages are organized by story title). Besides the "back-up" features you mention, later UK TF comics often have TWO TF stories running concurrently, and the current system does not account for this well. But I'm not the best person to suggest an alternative. My expertise is in the US comic, which tended to have just one story per issue, and little else. The US comic even tended to break up story arcs into individual titles for each issue more often than not....

Shouldn't we have talked about merging the UK and US comics into one entry before actually doing it?....--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 23:35, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

:Should we have? It's easily fixed if that's deemed not acceptable. The real big change here was making [[List of Generation 1 comics|Generation 1 (comic)]] be a disambiguation rather than blurb on the Marvel US comic, because that is most certainly ''not'' the only Generation 1 comic, and it's probably not even the one that most people would be interested in.
:I decided to just fold the content in that article into Marvel UK, because do we ''really'' need two seperate pages on the two Marvel comics? If we actually do get enough content to warrant two articles, it's easy enough to split the two. But like I said, the major change her isn't the merge, it's putting a proper disambiguation page at the G1 comic link.
:Apologies for the alleged "UK bias" in the little blurb. I've never actually read any significant part of either Marvel comic, and know next to nothing about either, so I can say that definitely was not intended. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 00:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

It's not a big deal to have them merged, and the way it was done (leaving the US and UK sections separate within the same page) I can live with. I'm absolutely opposed to folding all the US stuff into the UK page, though, as I've said elsewhere. I do ''not'' see these two as the same entity, but rather as two distinct, yet often similar and occasionally overlapping, entities. I just would have liked to be aware of the change beforehand, is all.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 00:46, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I've written a bit more on the UK comic, trying to explain its format and its relationship with the US comic. I think I'm right in identifying the 'Perchance to Dream' storyline as the point where US and UK separate, but I can't remember when the original UK material dried up. Was it around #290? --[[User:Tribimat|Tribimat]] 02:08, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

:Actually, I see it differently. I don't see the US and the UK as "separating," because I see them as ''already separate.'' They may look the same in many cases, but they're separate. This is borne out by the few, but significant, differences between them, such as how Bumblebee is turned into Goldbug. Clearly, there is room for differences of opinion on how individuals look at the canon, but the fact that there ARE these distinctions are part of why I oppose any attempt to force US stories ''into'' the UK continuity on this Wiki, which should essentially present the facts as they appear. (Incidentally, the way you describe the UK version in the actual article is fine with me)--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 03:34, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Seperating the UK and US comics would give legitimate space to discuss the various special features the UK comic had which had no counterpart in the US comic. Things like the letters pages answered by Transformer characters, fact files (which, in the early days weren't straight reprints of Transformers: The Universe), back up strips, competitions, humourous strips (Robo Capers, Matt and the Cat, Combat Colin - some of which had directly Transformer-related content). Sorry, can't sign this comment as I'm just a visitor.

==How to deal with UK issues with multiple stories==
I'm still trying to figure out how to deal with the issues in the UK (especially around the late-200s) that have more than one story contained therein. The current set-up probably won't continue to work for these issues. How's this for an option?

{|style="margin:0 auto;padding:0 auto" align=center id=toc
!align=center bgcolor=#6699CC|'''Marvel UK issues (lead stories):'''
|-
|| [[Kings of the Wild Frontier.|#284]] | [[Kings of the Wild Frontier.|#285]] | [[Deadly Obsession|#286]] | [[Deadly Obsession|#287]] | [[Deadly Obsession|#288]] | [[Deadly Obsession|#289]]
|}

{|style="margin:0 auto;padding:0 auto" align=center id=toc
!align=center bgcolor=#6699CC|'''Marvel UK issues (back-up stories):'''
|-
|| [[Assassins|#284]] | [[External Forces!|#285]] | [[The Lesser Evil!|#286]] | [[Inside Story!|#287]] | [[Front Line! (issue)|#288]] | [[End of the Road! (UK)|#289]]
|}
Note that the back-up to UK #289 is a different "End of the Road" than US #80 (Which is actually entitled "The End of the Road," which may or may not seem significant.)--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 18:48, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
: Looks good to me. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 22:18, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

: Is there a way to get all information on a particular issue onto an entry for that issue? For instance, issue 213 will have a "US Story" link that refers to the relevant US strip (which will be identical for 214-216), a "UK Story" section that gives a full account of the UK strip (in this instance, I think it's Megatron's return to Cybertron with Ravage), and a "Back-up Story" section that gives a brief account of the back-up strip. I realise that the back-up stories in most cases aren't TF-related, but they were an integral part of the UK comic experience. I'll try to put an example entry together this week and you can see what you think.

: Incidentally, I take the point about the UK and US continuities not being the same. I'm not at all hung up on "canon" and am much more interested in detailing the things as stories. I just wanted to say that #255-60 is where the two parallel continuities go in completely and irreconcilably different directions. At some point I'd also like to write something about how Furman used his knowledge of what was happening in the US stories to foreshadow later events - the story 'Prey' and the return to Cybertron (UK #97-104) is a classic example, featuring both Optimus Prime's "death" and Megatron's madness.

: Now that I think about it, the letters page was often used as a vehicle for explaining how the US and UK stories fitted together. They should be an excellent resource for this sort of thing. When I've got access to the original issues again, I'll see what comes up.--[[User:Tribimat|Tribimat]] 00:22, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

::Actually, my preference (other things being equal) would be to have the comics entries organized by issue number, but it was decided early on that it would be redundant to have separate pages for issues of the UK comic that were largely already duplicated on the US page for the similar story. (US stories tend to be 1-per-issue. This not often the case in the UK comic.) A compromise position was to make the pages story-specific, rather than issue-specific. This is working for now, but as I've already noted, appears as though it may be unwieldy as we look at UK issues in the future. I could do this issue-by-issue for the entire US series with no trouble at all, but I'm not arrogant enough to think that the US is the only, or even the "most correct," way of looking at it. I've argued fairly strongly for US comic integrity, but have tried to stop short of giving it "supremacy." It's just that the US comic is what I know. I know it fairly well. But I don't have the background to say much about the UK comic beyond what I know from the Internet.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 02:51, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I've come across some issues of the UK comic that have two TF-related stories, but the "lead" story is just a reprint, while the "back-up" black-and-white story is new. (So far, I've only put links for #221-228 that fit this description) Under the rubric I proposed above, I've felt compelled to make the link in the main (i.e. "lead story") UK chart go to the reprinted story, while the new story is relegated to the "back-up" chart. This technically seems to work, but seems rather unsatisfying. Thoughts?--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 20:41, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

:I've decided that it would be simpler to only put 2nd stories in the bottom grid in the cases where one of the two TF stories contained has not already been printed in the UK previously. This means that some "back up" black and whites are actually in the top grid, but since these tend to be the stories featured on the front cover (since the "main" color story is a reprint), that makes more sense, I think.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 02:49, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

==The UK Annuals==
Hi. I was just wondering if there should be a space on this page for the UK Annuals and if so what format it should take? There were a couple of annual stories that linked heavily into the main UK strip so it seems like something that is needed for the sake of completion.

As each annual contains several stories and there are only a few of them I was going to suggest a seperate table for each annual with links to individual stories. Does anyone have any opinions/guidance on this?--[[User:Omnisvalidus|Omnisvalidus]] 18:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

:As nobody has comented on this I have added the annuals in. [[User:Omnisvalidus|Omnisvalidus]] 18:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

==Issue Numbers, Issue Titles==
This is a very useful page, what with having all the issues linked by number. Unfortunately, it's also a somewhat difficult page to find. Few if any of the individual issues link back to it. Instead, they link back to [[:Category:Marvel_US_issues]], which lo and behold doesn't list the issue numbers.

So if you're browsing along, and suddenly find yourself on, say, [[Trial by Fire!]], good luck finding the page about the next issue. Shouldn't the issue titles in the category also mention a number, and shouldn't there be a sequential listing that all the issues link back to?

OR OR OR, as Sipher just mentioned, there's a "Next issue/Previous issue" box floating around on a few issues' pages. That'd at least provide continuity if it got worked onto all the pages. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 07:14, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

=="Comic" or "Comics"? (also, upper or lower-case?)==
A recent revision was made to the Marvel G1 link so that it wouldn't have to "redirect" to the actual site. I agree with this, in principle. However, it highlights an inconsistency, as we now have links for [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Generation 1 (Marvel Comics)]] and [[Transformers: Generation 1 (Dreamwave) |Generation 1 (Dreamwave comic)]]. One or both of these should be changed to resemble the other. Do we go with the singular "comic" or the plural "comics"? (Also, capitalization should be consistent. I'm assuming that lower-case is preferred. Indeed, I'd suggest "comic" as the preferable form, since the title of this very page uses the lower-case singular form.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 00:00, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
: "Marvel Comics" is the name of the company, so that is why it is capitalized. Dreamwave's company title does not have "Comics" in it, so "comics" is added so we know what kind medium the fiction is. The difference in capitalization between the two is INTENTIONAL. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:03, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
::I don't know if I buy that explanation... Or, rather, even if you are literally sure it's intentional and aren't rationalizing a mistake, I don't think that explanation suffices. There is no need to specify the media type in the parenthetical. The two should match in structure, being either "Dreamwave" and "Marvel Comics" or "Dreamwave comic" and "Marvel Comics comic" (which sounds stupid). I'd also accept dropping the "Comics" part of Marvel's name since it's not really needed, and also that's not their name anymore anyway. That would give us "Dreamwave"/"Marvel" or "Dreamwave comic"/"Marvel comic". --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 01:01, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
::::"rationalizing a mistake"? Dude, I go through pages and FIX the capitalization it so it's that way, for that reason. This is almost entirely in the fiction sections of all the articles, but specifying "comics" in some fashion after "Marvel" after "Generation 1" is crucial, as, well, you know, the cartoon was co-produced by Marvel. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::So, obviously its intentional. Still, I'd rather see something more consistent. It looks more and more like this particular convention exists only because it's never been noticed as being inconsistent before. By all means, point out "comic" in some fashion after "Marvel." But I still think that "comic" is more appropriate than "Comics", the fact (is it still a fact? Steve-o suggests it isn't anymore.) of Marvel's name being "Marvel Comics" notwithstanding.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 05:29, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Having [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 (cartoon)]] and "Generation 1 (Marvel)" co-exists bothers me.
:::I vote for "Generation 1 (Marvel comic)" and "Generation 1 (Dreamwave comic)".
:::There's probably 20 different articles that can be called "Generation 1 (somedisambig)". Just for comics we've had Marvel, Blackthorne, Benchpress (well, not really) 2 different manga publishers, Dreamwave, and IDW. And that's not even all G1 TF comics (Devil's Due's version of the TFU has a non-generic name that avoids it being chronicled under the generic 'Generation 1' label.)
:::Are there ''any'' other articles of this sort where we ''don't'' put the media type in the disambig? I think... in any franchise with more than 1 type of media, the media-type should be ''standard'' as part of the disambig.
:::Disambigs don't ''have'' to provide contextual information, but I think in G1's case, with ''so many'' articles, it's a good idea. Additionally, it would make the G1 articles better fit with the disambiging format used by other franchises. (For the most part other franchises don't have to deal with multiple publishers of a single kind of media, so their sub-pages are ''always'' disambig'd by type of media.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:40, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
It really shouldn't matter that it's just "Marvel" now; we should only be concerned about the name in effect when the comics were actually being published. Unless we're retconning all instances of "Takara" into "TakaraTomy". [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 01:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
:Perhaps not, but I still prefer "Marvel comic" for the sake of consistency to "Dreamwave comic". "Marvel" is descriptive enough that everyone knows what's being talked about. It need not be precisely the name of the company.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 02:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

==Annual years and releases==

(I'm raising this here as there isn't a generic article for the annuals and it could affect all of them.)

It's my recollection that the annuals released 1985-1987 were always referenced as being the annual for the year of publication (e.g. issue #65, printed in 1986, has a caption referring to "this year's annual"), but from 1988 onwards the annuals are referred to as the next's years, even though the books themselves don't give specific dates (whereas other Marvel UK annuals for Action Force, Thundercats and Visionaries released in 1988 all explicitly say they're the 1989 annual). This has led to quite a bit of confusion over the years as to which annual is which. [[Transformers Annual 1986#Items of Note]] currently states:

''This was the first annual, published for Christmas 1985. Due to the 1985 print date in the cover it is frequently mistakenly referred to as the 1985 annual, however annuals are always printed at the end of the year before.''

Whilst this is the main practice, is there any evidence it specifically applied to Marvel UK in 1985-1987?

Also most of the annuals state they were released in December, but I recall the announcements and adverts for them tended to be in the summer. Further to this the annual released in 1987 is explicitly followed up in stories printed that autumn (issues 135-138) which would have been awkward if the annual wasn't yet on sale. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 21:48, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

:The annuals usually appeared in the shops in August or September, believe it or not, so the 1987 annual appeared before ''Grudge Match'' did, and only a few weeks after ''Fire on High'' (the story to which it concluded). What confuses the issue for a lot of people who were kids at the time is that traditionally they didn't get the annuals until Christmas, whilst the comics seemed to often assume that kids would rush out and get them the second they came out. As for which album came out in which year, going by the copyright date seems to be a fairly accurate way of doing it, as that refers to the year in which it was physically published.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 23:07, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

::I did post something on this somewhere but it's gone astray. Looking through the comics from the time, the annuals (including other Marvel UK output) released in 1986 and 1987 are usually explicitly named as that year's annual. The 1988 release, however, is ambiguous with either "this year's" or "the [Transformers] annual". The 1989-1991 annuals were described with the following year's date.
::Within the annuals themselves only the 1991 release identifies itself in the copyright info as being the "1992" annual. It's notable that the 1988 release doesn't give a year when the contemporary Action Force, Thundercats and Visionaries annuals all identify themselves as the 1989 annual.
::The early Marvel UK practice appears to be in contrast to the general UK trend in children's annuals which is to use the following year, since they are targetted at the Christmand market (and it also gives leftover stock a longer shelf-life). [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 11:20, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

==Somes changes to the UK section==

I adjusted the UK section with more accurate information on the comic's format changes, which were more complex than originally stated. Most notably, the comic returned to a fortnightly schedule from issue 309 onwards, which is also when they ditched the three-strip structure and returned to the 'classic' format of one Transformers story and one back-up strip. Since I still have almost the whole run of Transformers UK comics in fairly good condition (issues #24-#332), I might take a look at going through the UK comics and adding in any missing information. On the issue of how 'canon' the UK/USA intermingling of stories are, my assessment is that the combined UK/US run is the 'correct' one, given that the later Furman comics refer to events in the UK continuity (Deathbringer, Xaaron, the UK 'creation myth' which appeared many years before in the US etc), with a nod at the headache-inducing Goldbug-creation issue.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 21:58, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

:Hold on, didn't the format change with 310, not 309?

:309 contained three strips - "The Price of Life" (Part 1), a partial reprint of "The Enemy Within" (Part 2), and topped off with a Machine Man backup as the third strip.

:The change to two strips actually ocurred in 310, which had "The Price of Life" (Part 2) and Machine Man.

:As such, there was a gap in "The Enemy Within" reprints so they could tie up the Machine Man story (issues 310-312).

:The change to two strips (instead of three) was why "The Enemy Within" was put on ice for three issues, because they had to finish off the Machine Man run before they could continue with the reprints.

I've taken the liberty of tweaking the text to reflect this.--[[Special:Contributions/86.163.121.36|86.163.121.36]] 18:16, 6 June 2012 (EDT)

==(Marvel Comics) vs. (Marvel comic)==
I think this parenthetical should change to "(Marvel comic)". It's always confusing to me when I'm linking here, since we don't say "[[Transformers: Armada (Dreamwave)|(DW Productions)]]" or "[[Transformers: Armada (Panini)|(Panini Comics)]]". - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 23:32, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:Why not just (Marvel)? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:52, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::Unless you're suggesting a sitewide change, that would still have the inconsistency problem. '''Edit:''' And now that I've actually ''read'' all that discussion I just moved from [[Talk:List of Generation 1 comics|Talk:Generation 1 (comic)]]... it looks like everybody but Walky who put in a vote was agreeing on "(Marvel comic)", with some pretty firm reasoning. So based on that, I'm going to go ahead and move the article. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:13, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Again, why two words when one will do? What other "The Transformers" by Marvel are we distinguishing it from? The same goes for Dreamwave and anyone else. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 01:48, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:::To clarify... "Dreamwave comic" is meant to distinguish it from "Panini comic" or whatever other ''Armada'' comics exist. But in that context, the "comic" becomes unnecessary and should be dropped completely. The ONLY viable argument for keeping it is that Dreamwave also did the mini-comics that came with the toys, but a (mini-comic) disambig should be enough to distinguish between the two.
:::The purposes of a diambig is to allow the co-existence of similarly-named pages, and to allow the reader to figure out which one they're looking for -- not to serve as a descriptor of the page's contents. I say we kill the "comic", across the board. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 01:56, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
::::I see your logic, and the only counterpoint I can think of is that we ''have'' made concessions in our parentheticals for the sake of consistency within a small group. For instance, "Nightstick (Cyclonus)" used to be "Nightstick (Decepticon)", but part of [[Talk:Nightstick_(Cyclonus)#Move|the argument for moving it]] was that it didn't "fit" with [[Nightstick (Artfire)]] and [[Nightstick (Ricochet)]]. Likewise, the ''Shattered Glass'' pages used to be a hodgepodge of "(Shattered Glass)" and "(Timelines)" parentheticals, but they've since all been moved to the former for group-consistency, despite the valid logic that had made them different as individuals. And in this case, as Derik pointed out above, the disparity between [[The Transformers (cartoon)]] and "The Transformers (Marvel)" is kind of jarring. If we use the media in one, it seems fitting to use it in all. I admit that this is a judgement-call area, and I'm by no means steadfastly defending it. But if forced to choose between one or the other, I prefer keeping the media in. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 02:10, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::You know, we actually could move it to The Transformers (comic), since there's only one comic by that name.
:::::But regardless, it should be either The Transformers (Marvel) or The Transformers (comic). It makes sense just fine to me to first disambiguate by medium, then switch to by company only if a medium has more than one same-named series by more than one company. But using both medium ''and'' company in cases where either by itself would be sufficient is redundant and makes more work for editors.
:::::Alternatively we could think about switching to differentiating always by company if we really want to keep things consistent, since that seems like it would also produce only one word parentheticals most of the time, but I just don't see having both "cartoon" and "Marvel" as a problem really. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 07:23, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::''You know, we actually could move it to The Transformers (comic), since there's only one comic by that name.''
::::::That's so obvious, it never even occurred to me. It should absolutely be "The Transformers (comic)". Anyone disagree?
::::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 12:57, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Image:G1_Vol.3_Issue0_1.jpg] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:11, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::The "Generation One" subtitle pretty handily wipes away that problem! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 13:29, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::[[The Transformers (Madman)]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:17, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Ah, thank you. That actually brings up a good point: Nowhere in that article does it actually SAY it's a comic book. It even says "Cartoon continuity" (which is of course correct, but it still obscures the fact). It's not hard to intuit that it's printed material, but we should really be clearer than that. If we kept up the trend of including media-type in the parenthetical, then it wouldn't be a problem. But really, that isn't the parenthetical's job. What we need is maybe a standard addition to the infobox. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 01:31, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:As I'm going through *all* the Marvel comics, trying to clean them up, I'd appreciate it if the Jackass who moved the article could spend a bit of time fixing the millions of links too? Or should we hold off until there's another completely pointless page move? --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 08:47, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
::You DO realize we have a bot that's made just for fixing exactly this sort of thing, right? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 09:11, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Requests for moves can be put up at [[User:Deceptitran/Requests]]. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 09:18, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Well if I was the one moving pages for no apparent reason, the first thing I'd do is set the bot to fix the links. I can only assume that happened here...
:::...except it seems to have changed only the links to ''The Transformers'' (US) on each page. Most ''The Transformers'' (UK) links still point to "Generation 1 (Marvel Comics)" or "The Transformers (Marvel Comics)", either with or without the #Marvel UK rider. The whole thing's a clusterfuck right now and I was looking forward to basking in the gentle glow of victory, having uploaded the last of the Marvel UK covers last night. I just don't see the point of creating all the extra work for ourselves because someone is "confused" by the difference between (Marvel Comics) and (Marvel comic). --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 09:28, 11 July 2009 (EDT)

== Marvel UK reprints of American strips ==

Just to clarify without having to check every link - the Marvel UK section says that the UK comic reprinted "the American stories". Does this mean ''every'' American story was reprinted in the UK comic? And if not, which ones weren't? [[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 10:21, 20 April 2012 (EDT)

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==Organization==

It's good to see some summaries showing up, but I think we need to think about how to organize things. IMO, there should be a "main" article for every comic book series which includes an overview and a list of issues. Each issue of the comic will then have its own article.

That does, however, raise the question of how to name the pages for comic issues, especially the original comic where even using issue names may cause conflict between the US and UK editions. I think that issue names are a better way to go than issue numbers, at least.

I'm inclined to say that the UK comic should be treated as the "real" comic series because of its additional material. The US comic is a subset of it.

A page for a UK comic issue then, in my ideal world, would be named after the issue. Among other information near the top of the article, it would state whether that UK story appeared in a US issue or not, and if so, what issue (number and name).

A page for a US comic issue has two possibilities: If the issue name was also an issue name for the UK version, there simply is no separate page for the US issue. If the US issue name was not duplicated in the UK (and I don't even know if that ever happened) then the US issue article should just redirect to the appropriate UK issue which reprints the first part of that US issue.

This all just off the top of my head, and shouldn't be taken as authoritative or anything. Still, I am really big on the idea of organizing things in a systematic way, and I think that this would make things a lot easier. I would welcome comments from others.

--[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 06:47, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

(G.B. Blackrock: 2006/03/07 - 7:24 pm PST) While I can see the reason for wanting to make the UK comic primary, and the US comic a subset, that would pretty much make it impossible for me to complete any more entries, as I have no idea where the breaks would come in the middle of the US stories, even assuming I consulted a chart telling me which UK issue lined up with which US story....

If someone would set up a template, I'm happy to make my existing entries match the template. As it is, I'm creating stuff from scratch. Seemed necessary with so little existing on the board already.... [[User:G.B. Blackrock]]

(G.B. Blackrock: 2006/03/09 - 10:14 am PST) I've held off on making any further additions for the moment in hopes that someone else might come on with input. I certainly agree that a standardized organizational scheme would be helpful. I'm inclined at the moment to go ahead with my US entries, and let anyone who has the UK comics make their entries in the still-separate UK comics page. It would be a reasonably simple matter to link the appropriate UK issues to their US counterparts, but then I don't have to worry about incorporating UK continuity into the US line, since I don't have these issues.

Furthermore, while the UK continuity does ''mostly'' contain all of the US continuity, there are a few rather significant differences, such as the reason why Bumblebee was rebuilt into Goldbug.

For these reasons, I'm inclined to continue treating US continuity as separate from the UK continuity, and not as a subset. I am still open to other opinions, especially in regard to standardization.[[User:G.B. Blackrock]]

As I understand it, about 90% of the comic is identical between the versions (excluding the additional content for the UK comics). So it would be far simpler to just use the UK comics, and just mention any differences as they appear, when appropriate, within the article itself.

This is, of course, assuming I'm not mistaken, which I am quite often.--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 19:49, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

(G.B. Blackrock: 2006/03/09 - 4:56 pm PST) At the risk of sounding US-centric, I still think making the US entries a "sub-set" of the UK ones would cause more confusion than help. If someone can actually ''demonstrate'' how this would play out be actualy creating some entries that I could follow the pattern of, I'd be happy to be proven wrong, though.[[User:G.B. Blackrock]]

I don't think necessarily either need to be considered a sub-set; but over IRC, Jhi raised a few valid points. The headers for comic issue pages should give the US and UK issue numbers equal billing, especially if we're just going to have the UK issue list link to them. Individual articles should be about the story as it appears in ''both'' countries' issues. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 00:02, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

My thought was to give the original publisher primacy, and list other versions of the same story below. So "Man of Iron" would list the UK printing up top, but the US reissues below, for example.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 00:13, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

==Main G1 comics==
It occurs to me that our current listing has one link for the G1 Marvel comics, but that the three separate DW comics (none of which have pages, it would seem) are given separate links. Either we should add the Marvel Headmasters, TFU, and the GI/Joe crossover (which was in the same continuity, even if it WAS later ignored) here, or we should consolidate the DW entries. The latter is my preference, but I'm wondering if that would create unforeseen problems elsewhere. Thoughts?--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 18:55, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

==UK "issue" pages==

(snipping a lot of stuff that's probably not of any further interest. People can get them back out with "history" if they disagree....)

I wonder if, especially for UK comics, we should change the links so that each UK issue links to a separate "issue" page, with the separate stories being linked as they currently are (all current comic pages are organized by story title). Besides the "back-up" features you mention, later UK TF comics often have TWO TF stories running concurrently, and the current system does not account for this well. But I'm not the best person to suggest an alternative. My expertise is in the US comic, which tended to have just one story per issue, and little else. The US comic even tended to break up story arcs into individual titles for each issue more often than not....

Shouldn't we have talked about merging the UK and US comics into one entry before actually doing it?....--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 23:35, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

:Should we have? It's easily fixed if that's deemed not acceptable. The real big change here was making [[List of Generation 1 comics|Generation 1 (comic)]] be a disambiguation rather than blurb on the Marvel US comic, because that is most certainly ''not'' the only Generation 1 comic, and it's probably not even the one that most people would be interested in.
:I decided to just fold the content in that article into Marvel UK, because do we ''really'' need two seperate pages on the two Marvel comics? If we actually do get enough content to warrant two articles, it's easy enough to split the two. But like I said, the major change her isn't the merge, it's putting a proper disambiguation page at the G1 comic link.
:Apologies for the alleged "UK bias" in the little blurb. I've never actually read any significant part of either Marvel comic, and know next to nothing about either, so I can say that definitely was not intended. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 00:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

It's not a big deal to have them merged, and the way it was done (leaving the US and UK sections separate within the same page) I can live with. I'm absolutely opposed to folding all the US stuff into the UK page, though, as I've said elsewhere. I do ''not'' see these two as the same entity, but rather as two distinct, yet often similar and occasionally overlapping, entities. I just would have liked to be aware of the change beforehand, is all.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 00:46, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I've written a bit more on the UK comic, trying to explain its format and its relationship with the US comic. I think I'm right in identifying the 'Perchance to Dream' storyline as the point where US and UK separate, but I can't remember when the original UK material dried up. Was it around #290? --[[User:Tribimat|Tribimat]] 02:08, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

:Actually, I see it differently. I don't see the US and the UK as "separating," because I see them as ''already separate.'' They may look the same in many cases, but they're separate. This is borne out by the few, but significant, differences between them, such as how Bumblebee is turned into Goldbug. Clearly, there is room for differences of opinion on how individuals look at the canon, but the fact that there ARE these distinctions are part of why I oppose any attempt to force US stories ''into'' the UK continuity on this Wiki, which should essentially present the facts as they appear. (Incidentally, the way you describe the UK version in the actual article is fine with me)--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 03:34, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Seperating the UK and US comics would give legitimate space to discuss the various special features the UK comic had which had no counterpart in the US comic. Things like the letters pages answered by Transformer characters, fact files (which, in the early days weren't straight reprints of Transformers: The Universe), back up strips, competitions, humourous strips (Robo Capers, Matt and the Cat, Combat Colin - some of which had directly Transformer-related content). Sorry, can't sign this comment as I'm just a visitor.

==How to deal with UK issues with multiple stories==
I'm still trying to figure out how to deal with the issues in the UK (especially around the late-200s) that have more than one story contained therein. The current set-up probably won't continue to work for these issues. How's this for an option?

{|style="margin:0 auto;padding:0 auto" align=center id=toc
!align=center bgcolor=#6699CC|'''Marvel UK issues (lead stories):'''
|-
|| [[Kings of the Wild Frontier.|#284]] | [[Kings of the Wild Frontier.|#285]] | [[Deadly Obsession|#286]] | [[Deadly Obsession|#287]] | [[Deadly Obsession|#288]] | [[Deadly Obsession|#289]]
|}

{|style="margin:0 auto;padding:0 auto" align=center id=toc
!align=center bgcolor=#6699CC|'''Marvel UK issues (back-up stories):'''
|-
|| [[Assassins|#284]] | [[External Forces!|#285]] | [[The Lesser Evil!|#286]] | [[Inside Story!|#287]] | [[Front Line! (issue)|#288]] | [[End of the Road! (UK)|#289]]
|}
Note that the back-up to UK #289 is a different "End of the Road" than US #80 (Which is actually entitled "The End of the Road," which may or may not seem significant.)--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 18:48, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
: Looks good to me. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 22:18, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

: Is there a way to get all information on a particular issue onto an entry for that issue? For instance, issue 213 will have a "US Story" link that refers to the relevant US strip (which will be identical for 214-216), a "UK Story" section that gives a full account of the UK strip (in this instance, I think it's Megatron's return to Cybertron with Ravage), and a "Back-up Story" section that gives a brief account of the back-up strip. I realise that the back-up stories in most cases aren't TF-related, but they were an integral part of the UK comic experience. I'll try to put an example entry together this week and you can see what you think.

: Incidentally, I take the point about the UK and US continuities not being the same. I'm not at all hung up on "canon" and am much more interested in detailing the things as stories. I just wanted to say that #255-60 is where the two parallel continuities go in completely and irreconcilably different directions. At some point I'd also like to write something about how Furman used his knowledge of what was happening in the US stories to foreshadow later events - the story 'Prey' and the return to Cybertron (UK #97-104) is a classic example, featuring both Optimus Prime's "death" and Megatron's madness.

: Now that I think about it, the letters page was often used as a vehicle for explaining how the US and UK stories fitted together. They should be an excellent resource for this sort of thing. When I've got access to the original issues again, I'll see what comes up.--[[User:Tribimat|Tribimat]] 00:22, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

::Actually, my preference (other things being equal) would be to have the comics entries organized by issue number, but it was decided early on that it would be redundant to have separate pages for issues of the UK comic that were largely already duplicated on the US page for the similar story. (US stories tend to be 1-per-issue. This not often the case in the UK comic.) A compromise position was to make the pages story-specific, rather than issue-specific. This is working for now, but as I've already noted, appears as though it may be unwieldy as we look at UK issues in the future. I could do this issue-by-issue for the entire US series with no trouble at all, but I'm not arrogant enough to think that the US is the only, or even the "most correct," way of looking at it. I've argued fairly strongly for US comic integrity, but have tried to stop short of giving it "supremacy." It's just that the US comic is what I know. I know it fairly well. But I don't have the background to say much about the UK comic beyond what I know from the Internet.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 02:51, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I've come across some issues of the UK comic that have two TF-related stories, but the "lead" story is just a reprint, while the "back-up" black-and-white story is new. (So far, I've only put links for #221-228 that fit this description) Under the rubric I proposed above, I've felt compelled to make the link in the main (i.e. "lead story") UK chart go to the reprinted story, while the new story is relegated to the "back-up" chart. This technically seems to work, but seems rather unsatisfying. Thoughts?--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 20:41, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

:I've decided that it would be simpler to only put 2nd stories in the bottom grid in the cases where one of the two TF stories contained has not already been printed in the UK previously. This means that some "back up" black and whites are actually in the top grid, but since these tend to be the stories featured on the front cover (since the "main" color story is a reprint), that makes more sense, I think.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 02:49, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

==The UK Annuals==
Hi. I was just wondering if there should be a space on this page for the UK Annuals and if so what format it should take? There were a couple of annual stories that linked heavily into the main UK strip so it seems like something that is needed for the sake of completion.

As each annual contains several stories and there are only a few of them I was going to suggest a seperate table for each annual with links to individual stories. Does anyone have any opinions/guidance on this?--[[User:Omnisvalidus|Omnisvalidus]] 18:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

:As nobody has comented on this I have added the annuals in. [[User:Omnisvalidus|Omnisvalidus]] 18:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

==Issue Numbers, Issue Titles==
This is a very useful page, what with having all the issues linked by number. Unfortunately, it's also a somewhat difficult page to find. Few if any of the individual issues link back to it. Instead, they link back to [[:Category:Marvel_US_issues]], which lo and behold doesn't list the issue numbers.

So if you're browsing along, and suddenly find yourself on, say, [[Trial by Fire!]], good luck finding the page about the next issue. Shouldn't the issue titles in the category also mention a number, and shouldn't there be a sequential listing that all the issues link back to?

OR OR OR, as Sipher just mentioned, there's a "Next issue/Previous issue" box floating around on a few issues' pages. That'd at least provide continuity if it got worked onto all the pages. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 07:14, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

=="Comic" or "Comics"? (also, upper or lower-case?)==
A recent revision was made to the Marvel G1 link so that it wouldn't have to "redirect" to the actual site. I agree with this, in principle. However, it highlights an inconsistency, as we now have links for [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Generation 1 (Marvel Comics)]] and [[Transformers: Generation 1 (Dreamwave) |Generation 1 (Dreamwave comic)]]. One or both of these should be changed to resemble the other. Do we go with the singular "comic" or the plural "comics"? (Also, capitalization should be consistent. I'm assuming that lower-case is preferred. Indeed, I'd suggest "comic" as the preferable form, since the title of this very page uses the lower-case singular form.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 00:00, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
: "Marvel Comics" is the name of the company, so that is why it is capitalized. Dreamwave's company title does not have "Comics" in it, so "comics" is added so we know what kind medium the fiction is. The difference in capitalization between the two is INTENTIONAL. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:03, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
::I don't know if I buy that explanation... Or, rather, even if you are literally sure it's intentional and aren't rationalizing a mistake, I don't think that explanation suffices. There is no need to specify the media type in the parenthetical. The two should match in structure, being either "Dreamwave" and "Marvel Comics" or "Dreamwave comic" and "Marvel Comics comic" (which sounds stupid). I'd also accept dropping the "Comics" part of Marvel's name since it's not really needed, and also that's not their name anymore anyway. That would give us "Dreamwave"/"Marvel" or "Dreamwave comic"/"Marvel comic". --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 01:01, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
::::"rationalizing a mistake"? Dude, I go through pages and FIX the capitalization it so it's that way, for that reason. This is almost entirely in the fiction sections of all the articles, but specifying "comics" in some fashion after "Marvel" after "Generation 1" is crucial, as, well, you know, the cartoon was co-produced by Marvel. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::So, obviously its intentional. Still, I'd rather see something more consistent. It looks more and more like this particular convention exists only because it's never been noticed as being inconsistent before. By all means, point out "comic" in some fashion after "Marvel." But I still think that "comic" is more appropriate than "Comics", the fact (is it still a fact? Steve-o suggests it isn't anymore.) of Marvel's name being "Marvel Comics" notwithstanding.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 05:29, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Having [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 (cartoon)]] and "Generation 1 (Marvel)" co-exists bothers me.
:::I vote for "Generation 1 (Marvel comic)" and "Generation 1 (Dreamwave comic)".
:::There's probably 20 different articles that can be called "Generation 1 (somedisambig)". Just for comics we've had Marvel, Blackthorne, Benchpress (well, not really) 2 different manga publishers, Dreamwave, and IDW. And that's not even all G1 TF comics (Devil's Due's version of the TFU has a non-generic name that avoids it being chronicled under the generic 'Generation 1' label.)
:::Are there ''any'' other articles of this sort where we ''don't'' put the media type in the disambig? I think... in any franchise with more than 1 type of media, the media-type should be ''standard'' as part of the disambig.
:::Disambigs don't ''have'' to provide contextual information, but I think in G1's case, with ''so many'' articles, it's a good idea. Additionally, it would make the G1 articles better fit with the disambiging format used by other franchises. (For the most part other franchises don't have to deal with multiple publishers of a single kind of media, so their sub-pages are ''always'' disambig'd by type of media.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:40, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
It really shouldn't matter that it's just "Marvel" now; we should only be concerned about the name in effect when the comics were actually being published. Unless we're retconning all instances of "Takara" into "TakaraTomy". [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 01:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
:Perhaps not, but I still prefer "Marvel comic" for the sake of consistency to "Dreamwave comic". "Marvel" is descriptive enough that everyone knows what's being talked about. It need not be precisely the name of the company.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 02:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

==Annual years and releases==

(I'm raising this here as there isn't a generic article for the annuals and it could affect all of them.)

It's my recollection that the annuals released 1985-1987 were always referenced as being the annual for the year of publication (e.g. issue #65, printed in 1986, has a caption referring to "this year's annual"), but from 1988 onwards the annuals are referred to as the next's years, even though the books themselves don't give specific dates (whereas other Marvel UK annuals for Action Force, Thundercats and Visionaries released in 1988 all explicitly say they're the 1989 annual). This has led to quite a bit of confusion over the years as to which annual is which. [[Transformers Annual 1986#Items of Note]] currently states:

''This was the first annual, published for Christmas 1985. Due to the 1985 print date in the cover it is frequently mistakenly referred to as the 1985 annual, however annuals are always printed at the end of the year before.''

Whilst this is the main practice, is there any evidence it specifically applied to Marvel UK in 1985-1987?

Also most of the annuals state they were released in December, but I recall the announcements and adverts for them tended to be in the summer. Further to this the annual released in 1987 is explicitly followed up in stories printed that autumn (issues 135-138) which would have been awkward if the annual wasn't yet on sale. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 21:48, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

:The annuals usually appeared in the shops in August or September, believe it or not, so the 1987 annual appeared before ''Grudge Match'' did, and only a few weeks after ''Fire on High'' (the story to which it concluded). What confuses the issue for a lot of people who were kids at the time is that traditionally they didn't get the annuals until Christmas, whilst the comics seemed to often assume that kids would rush out and get them the second they came out. As for which album came out in which year, going by the copyright date seems to be a fairly accurate way of doing it, as that refers to the year in which it was physically published.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 23:07, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

::I did post something on this somewhere but it's gone astray. Looking through the comics from the time, the annuals (including other Marvel UK output) released in 1986 and 1987 are usually explicitly named as that year's annual. The 1988 release, however, is ambiguous with either "this year's" or "the [Transformers] annual". The 1989-1991 annuals were described with the following year's date.
::Within the annuals themselves only the 1991 release identifies itself in the copyright info as being the "1992" annual. It's notable that the 1988 release doesn't give a year when the contemporary Action Force, Thundercats and Visionaries annuals all identify themselves as the 1989 annual.
::The early Marvel UK practice appears to be in contrast to the general UK trend in children's annuals which is to use the following year, since they are targetted at the Christmand market (and it also gives leftover stock a longer shelf-life). [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 11:20, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

==Somes changes to the UK section==

I adjusted the UK section with more accurate information on the comic's format changes, which were more complex than originally stated. Most notably, the comic returned to a fortnightly schedule from issue 309 onwards, which is also when they ditched the three-strip structure and returned to the 'classic' format of one Transformers story and one back-up strip. Since I still have almost the whole run of Transformers UK comics in fairly good condition (issues #24-#332), I might take a look at going through the UK comics and adding in any missing information. On the issue of how 'canon' the UK/USA intermingling of stories are, my assessment is that the combined UK/US run is the 'correct' one, given that the later Furman comics refer to events in the UK continuity (Deathbringer, Xaaron, the UK 'creation myth' which appeared many years before in the US etc), with a nod at the headache-inducing Goldbug-creation issue.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 21:58, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

:Hold on, didn't the format change with 310, not 309?

309 contained three strips - "The Price of Life" (Part 1), a partial reprint of "The Enemy Within" (Part 2), and topped off with a Machine Man backup as the third strip.

The change to two strips actually ocurred in 310, which had "The Price of Life" (Part 2) and Machine Man.

As such, there was a gap in "The Enemy Within" reprints so they could tie up the Machine Man story (issues 310-312).

The change to two strips (instead of three) was why "The Enemy Within" was put on ice for three issues, because they had to finish off the Machine Man run before they could continue with the reprints.

I've taken the liberty of tweaking the text to reflect this.--[[Special:Contributions/86.163.121.36|86.163.121.36]] 18:16, 6 June 2012 (EDT)

==(Marvel Comics) vs. (Marvel comic)==
I think this parenthetical should change to "(Marvel comic)". It's always confusing to me when I'm linking here, since we don't say "[[Transformers: Armada (Dreamwave)|(DW Productions)]]" or "[[Transformers: Armada (Panini)|(Panini Comics)]]". - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 23:32, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:Why not just (Marvel)? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:52, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::Unless you're suggesting a sitewide change, that would still have the inconsistency problem. '''Edit:''' And now that I've actually ''read'' all that discussion I just moved from [[Talk:List of Generation 1 comics|Talk:Generation 1 (comic)]]... it looks like everybody but Walky who put in a vote was agreeing on "(Marvel comic)", with some pretty firm reasoning. So based on that, I'm going to go ahead and move the article. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:13, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Again, why two words when one will do? What other "The Transformers" by Marvel are we distinguishing it from? The same goes for Dreamwave and anyone else. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 01:48, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:::To clarify... "Dreamwave comic" is meant to distinguish it from "Panini comic" or whatever other ''Armada'' comics exist. But in that context, the "comic" becomes unnecessary and should be dropped completely. The ONLY viable argument for keeping it is that Dreamwave also did the mini-comics that came with the toys, but a (mini-comic) disambig should be enough to distinguish between the two.
:::The purposes of a diambig is to allow the co-existence of similarly-named pages, and to allow the reader to figure out which one they're looking for -- not to serve as a descriptor of the page's contents. I say we kill the "comic", across the board. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 01:56, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
::::I see your logic, and the only counterpoint I can think of is that we ''have'' made concessions in our parentheticals for the sake of consistency within a small group. For instance, "Nightstick (Cyclonus)" used to be "Nightstick (Decepticon)", but part of [[Talk:Nightstick_(Cyclonus)#Move|the argument for moving it]] was that it didn't "fit" with [[Nightstick (Artfire)]] and [[Nightstick (Ricochet)]]. Likewise, the ''Shattered Glass'' pages used to be a hodgepodge of "(Shattered Glass)" and "(Timelines)" parentheticals, but they've since all been moved to the former for group-consistency, despite the valid logic that had made them different as individuals. And in this case, as Derik pointed out above, the disparity between [[The Transformers (cartoon)]] and "The Transformers (Marvel)" is kind of jarring. If we use the media in one, it seems fitting to use it in all. I admit that this is a judgement-call area, and I'm by no means steadfastly defending it. But if forced to choose between one or the other, I prefer keeping the media in. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 02:10, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::You know, we actually could move it to The Transformers (comic), since there's only one comic by that name.
:::::But regardless, it should be either The Transformers (Marvel) or The Transformers (comic). It makes sense just fine to me to first disambiguate by medium, then switch to by company only if a medium has more than one same-named series by more than one company. But using both medium ''and'' company in cases where either by itself would be sufficient is redundant and makes more work for editors.
:::::Alternatively we could think about switching to differentiating always by company if we really want to keep things consistent, since that seems like it would also produce only one word parentheticals most of the time, but I just don't see having both "cartoon" and "Marvel" as a problem really. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 07:23, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::''You know, we actually could move it to The Transformers (comic), since there's only one comic by that name.''
::::::That's so obvious, it never even occurred to me. It should absolutely be "The Transformers (comic)". Anyone disagree?
::::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 12:57, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Image:G1_Vol.3_Issue0_1.jpg] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:11, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::The "Generation One" subtitle pretty handily wipes away that problem! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 13:29, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::[[The Transformers (Madman)]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:17, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Ah, thank you. That actually brings up a good point: Nowhere in that article does it actually SAY it's a comic book. It even says "Cartoon continuity" (which is of course correct, but it still obscures the fact). It's not hard to intuit that it's printed material, but we should really be clearer than that. If we kept up the trend of including media-type in the parenthetical, then it wouldn't be a problem. But really, that isn't the parenthetical's job. What we need is maybe a standard addition to the infobox. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 01:31, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:As I'm going through *all* the Marvel comics, trying to clean them up, I'd appreciate it if the Jackass who moved the article could spend a bit of time fixing the millions of links too? Or should we hold off until there's another completely pointless page move? --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 08:47, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
::You DO realize we have a bot that's made just for fixing exactly this sort of thing, right? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 09:11, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Requests for moves can be put up at [[User:Deceptitran/Requests]]. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 09:18, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Well if I was the one moving pages for no apparent reason, the first thing I'd do is set the bot to fix the links. I can only assume that happened here...
:::...except it seems to have changed only the links to ''The Transformers'' (US) on each page. Most ''The Transformers'' (UK) links still point to "Generation 1 (Marvel Comics)" or "The Transformers (Marvel Comics)", either with or without the #Marvel UK rider. The whole thing's a clusterfuck right now and I was looking forward to basking in the gentle glow of victory, having uploaded the last of the Marvel UK covers last night. I just don't see the point of creating all the extra work for ourselves because someone is "confused" by the difference between (Marvel Comics) and (Marvel comic). --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 09:28, 11 July 2009 (EDT)

== Marvel UK reprints of American strips ==

Just to clarify without having to check every link - the Marvel UK section says that the UK comic reprinted "the American stories". Does this mean ''every'' American story was reprinted in the UK comic? And if not, which ones weren't? [[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 10:21, 20 April 2012 (EDT)

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==Organization==

It's good to see some summaries showing up, but I think we need to think about how to organize things. IMO, there should be a "main" article for every comic book series which includes an overview and a list of issues. Each issue of the comic will then have its own article.

That does, however, raise the question of how to name the pages for comic issues, especially the original comic where even using issue names may cause conflict between the US and UK editions. I think that issue names are a better way to go than issue numbers, at least.

I'm inclined to say that the UK comic should be treated as the "real" comic series because of its additional material. The US comic is a subset of it.

A page for a UK comic issue then, in my ideal world, would be named after the issue. Among other information near the top of the article, it would state whether that UK story appeared in a US issue or not, and if so, what issue (number and name).

A page for a US comic issue has two possibilities: If the issue name was also an issue name for the UK version, there simply is no separate page for the US issue. If the US issue name was not duplicated in the UK (and I don't even know if that ever happened) then the US issue article should just redirect to the appropriate UK issue which reprints the first part of that US issue.

This all just off the top of my head, and shouldn't be taken as authoritative or anything. Still, I am really big on the idea of organizing things in a systematic way, and I think that this would make things a lot easier. I would welcome comments from others.

--[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 06:47, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

(G.B. Blackrock: 2006/03/07 - 7:24 pm PST) While I can see the reason for wanting to make the UK comic primary, and the US comic a subset, that would pretty much make it impossible for me to complete any more entries, as I have no idea where the breaks would come in the middle of the US stories, even assuming I consulted a chart telling me which UK issue lined up with which US story....

If someone would set up a template, I'm happy to make my existing entries match the template. As it is, I'm creating stuff from scratch. Seemed necessary with so little existing on the board already.... [[User:G.B. Blackrock]]

(G.B. Blackrock: 2006/03/09 - 10:14 am PST) I've held off on making any further additions for the moment in hopes that someone else might come on with input. I certainly agree that a standardized organizational scheme would be helpful. I'm inclined at the moment to go ahead with my US entries, and let anyone who has the UK comics make their entries in the still-separate UK comics page. It would be a reasonably simple matter to link the appropriate UK issues to their US counterparts, but then I don't have to worry about incorporating UK continuity into the US line, since I don't have these issues.

Furthermore, while the UK continuity does ''mostly'' contain all of the US continuity, there are a few rather significant differences, such as the reason why Bumblebee was rebuilt into Goldbug.

For these reasons, I'm inclined to continue treating US continuity as separate from the UK continuity, and not as a subset. I am still open to other opinions, especially in regard to standardization.[[User:G.B. Blackrock]]

As I understand it, about 90% of the comic is identical between the versions (excluding the additional content for the UK comics). So it would be far simpler to just use the UK comics, and just mention any differences as they appear, when appropriate, within the article itself.

This is, of course, assuming I'm not mistaken, which I am quite often.--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 19:49, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

(G.B. Blackrock: 2006/03/09 - 4:56 pm PST) At the risk of sounding US-centric, I still think making the US entries a "sub-set" of the UK ones would cause more confusion than help. If someone can actually ''demonstrate'' how this would play out be actualy creating some entries that I could follow the pattern of, I'd be happy to be proven wrong, though.[[User:G.B. Blackrock]]

I don't think necessarily either need to be considered a sub-set; but over IRC, Jhi raised a few valid points. The headers for comic issue pages should give the US and UK issue numbers equal billing, especially if we're just going to have the UK issue list link to them. Individual articles should be about the story as it appears in ''both'' countries' issues. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 00:02, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

My thought was to give the original publisher primacy, and list other versions of the same story below. So "Man of Iron" would list the UK printing up top, but the US reissues below, for example.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 00:13, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

==Main G1 comics==
It occurs to me that our current listing has one link for the G1 Marvel comics, but that the three separate DW comics (none of which have pages, it would seem) are given separate links. Either we should add the Marvel Headmasters, TFU, and the GI/Joe crossover (which was in the same continuity, even if it WAS later ignored) here, or we should consolidate the DW entries. The latter is my preference, but I'm wondering if that would create unforeseen problems elsewhere. Thoughts?--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 18:55, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

==UK "issue" pages==

(snipping a lot of stuff that's probably not of any further interest. People can get them back out with "history" if they disagree....)

I wonder if, especially for UK comics, we should change the links so that each UK issue links to a separate "issue" page, with the separate stories being linked as they currently are (all current comic pages are organized by story title). Besides the "back-up" features you mention, later UK TF comics often have TWO TF stories running concurrently, and the current system does not account for this well. But I'm not the best person to suggest an alternative. My expertise is in the US comic, which tended to have just one story per issue, and little else. The US comic even tended to break up story arcs into individual titles for each issue more often than not....

Shouldn't we have talked about merging the UK and US comics into one entry before actually doing it?....--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 23:35, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

:Should we have? It's easily fixed if that's deemed not acceptable. The real big change here was making [[List of Generation 1 comics|Generation 1 (comic)]] be a disambiguation rather than blurb on the Marvel US comic, because that is most certainly ''not'' the only Generation 1 comic, and it's probably not even the one that most people would be interested in.
:I decided to just fold the content in that article into Marvel UK, because do we ''really'' need two seperate pages on the two Marvel comics? If we actually do get enough content to warrant two articles, it's easy enough to split the two. But like I said, the major change her isn't the merge, it's putting a proper disambiguation page at the G1 comic link.
:Apologies for the alleged "UK bias" in the little blurb. I've never actually read any significant part of either Marvel comic, and know next to nothing about either, so I can say that definitely was not intended. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 00:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

It's not a big deal to have them merged, and the way it was done (leaving the US and UK sections separate within the same page) I can live with. I'm absolutely opposed to folding all the US stuff into the UK page, though, as I've said elsewhere. I do ''not'' see these two as the same entity, but rather as two distinct, yet often similar and occasionally overlapping, entities. I just would have liked to be aware of the change beforehand, is all.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 00:46, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I've written a bit more on the UK comic, trying to explain its format and its relationship with the US comic. I think I'm right in identifying the 'Perchance to Dream' storyline as the point where US and UK separate, but I can't remember when the original UK material dried up. Was it around #290? --[[User:Tribimat|Tribimat]] 02:08, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

:Actually, I see it differently. I don't see the US and the UK as "separating," because I see them as ''already separate.'' They may look the same in many cases, but they're separate. This is borne out by the few, but significant, differences between them, such as how Bumblebee is turned into Goldbug. Clearly, there is room for differences of opinion on how individuals look at the canon, but the fact that there ARE these distinctions are part of why I oppose any attempt to force US stories ''into'' the UK continuity on this Wiki, which should essentially present the facts as they appear. (Incidentally, the way you describe the UK version in the actual article is fine with me)--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 03:34, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Seperating the UK and US comics would give legitimate space to discuss the various special features the UK comic had which had no counterpart in the US comic. Things like the letters pages answered by Transformer characters, fact files (which, in the early days weren't straight reprints of Transformers: The Universe), back up strips, competitions, humourous strips (Robo Capers, Matt and the Cat, Combat Colin - some of which had directly Transformer-related content). Sorry, can't sign this comment as I'm just a visitor.

==How to deal with UK issues with multiple stories==
I'm still trying to figure out how to deal with the issues in the UK (especially around the late-200s) that have more than one story contained therein. The current set-up probably won't continue to work for these issues. How's this for an option?

{|style="margin:0 auto;padding:0 auto" align=center id=toc
!align=center bgcolor=#6699CC|'''Marvel UK issues (lead stories):'''
|-
|| [[Kings of the Wild Frontier.|#284]] | [[Kings of the Wild Frontier.|#285]] | [[Deadly Obsession|#286]] | [[Deadly Obsession|#287]] | [[Deadly Obsession|#288]] | [[Deadly Obsession|#289]]
|}

{|style="margin:0 auto;padding:0 auto" align=center id=toc
!align=center bgcolor=#6699CC|'''Marvel UK issues (back-up stories):'''
|-
|| [[Assassins|#284]] | [[External Forces!|#285]] | [[The Lesser Evil!|#286]] | [[Inside Story!|#287]] | [[Front Line! (issue)|#288]] | [[End of the Road! (UK)|#289]]
|}
Note that the back-up to UK #289 is a different "End of the Road" than US #80 (Which is actually entitled "The End of the Road," which may or may not seem significant.)--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 18:48, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
: Looks good to me. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 22:18, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

: Is there a way to get all information on a particular issue onto an entry for that issue? For instance, issue 213 will have a "US Story" link that refers to the relevant US strip (which will be identical for 214-216), a "UK Story" section that gives a full account of the UK strip (in this instance, I think it's Megatron's return to Cybertron with Ravage), and a "Back-up Story" section that gives a brief account of the back-up strip. I realise that the back-up stories in most cases aren't TF-related, but they were an integral part of the UK comic experience. I'll try to put an example entry together this week and you can see what you think.

: Incidentally, I take the point about the UK and US continuities not being the same. I'm not at all hung up on "canon" and am much more interested in detailing the things as stories. I just wanted to say that #255-60 is where the two parallel continuities go in completely and irreconcilably different directions. At some point I'd also like to write something about how Furman used his knowledge of what was happening in the US stories to foreshadow later events - the story 'Prey' and the return to Cybertron (UK #97-104) is a classic example, featuring both Optimus Prime's "death" and Megatron's madness.

: Now that I think about it, the letters page was often used as a vehicle for explaining how the US and UK stories fitted together. They should be an excellent resource for this sort of thing. When I've got access to the original issues again, I'll see what comes up.--[[User:Tribimat|Tribimat]] 00:22, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

::Actually, my preference (other things being equal) would be to have the comics entries organized by issue number, but it was decided early on that it would be redundant to have separate pages for issues of the UK comic that were largely already duplicated on the US page for the similar story. (US stories tend to be 1-per-issue. This not often the case in the UK comic.) A compromise position was to make the pages story-specific, rather than issue-specific. This is working for now, but as I've already noted, appears as though it may be unwieldy as we look at UK issues in the future. I could do this issue-by-issue for the entire US series with no trouble at all, but I'm not arrogant enough to think that the US is the only, or even the "most correct," way of looking at it. I've argued fairly strongly for US comic integrity, but have tried to stop short of giving it "supremacy." It's just that the US comic is what I know. I know it fairly well. But I don't have the background to say much about the UK comic beyond what I know from the Internet.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 02:51, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I've come across some issues of the UK comic that have two TF-related stories, but the "lead" story is just a reprint, while the "back-up" black-and-white story is new. (So far, I've only put links for #221-228 that fit this description) Under the rubric I proposed above, I've felt compelled to make the link in the main (i.e. "lead story") UK chart go to the reprinted story, while the new story is relegated to the "back-up" chart. This technically seems to work, but seems rather unsatisfying. Thoughts?--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 20:41, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

:I've decided that it would be simpler to only put 2nd stories in the bottom grid in the cases where one of the two TF stories contained has not already been printed in the UK previously. This means that some "back up" black and whites are actually in the top grid, but since these tend to be the stories featured on the front cover (since the "main" color story is a reprint), that makes more sense, I think.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 02:49, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

==The UK Annuals==
Hi. I was just wondering if there should be a space on this page for the UK Annuals and if so what format it should take? There were a couple of annual stories that linked heavily into the main UK strip so it seems like something that is needed for the sake of completion.

As each annual contains several stories and there are only a few of them I was going to suggest a seperate table for each annual with links to individual stories. Does anyone have any opinions/guidance on this?--[[User:Omnisvalidus|Omnisvalidus]] 18:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

:As nobody has comented on this I have added the annuals in. [[User:Omnisvalidus|Omnisvalidus]] 18:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

==Issue Numbers, Issue Titles==
This is a very useful page, what with having all the issues linked by number. Unfortunately, it's also a somewhat difficult page to find. Few if any of the individual issues link back to it. Instead, they link back to [[:Category:Marvel_US_issues]], which lo and behold doesn't list the issue numbers.

So if you're browsing along, and suddenly find yourself on, say, [[Trial by Fire!]], good luck finding the page about the next issue. Shouldn't the issue titles in the category also mention a number, and shouldn't there be a sequential listing that all the issues link back to?

OR OR OR, as Sipher just mentioned, there's a "Next issue/Previous issue" box floating around on a few issues' pages. That'd at least provide continuity if it got worked onto all the pages. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 07:14, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

=="Comic" or "Comics"? (also, upper or lower-case?)==
A recent revision was made to the Marvel G1 link so that it wouldn't have to "redirect" to the actual site. I agree with this, in principle. However, it highlights an inconsistency, as we now have links for [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Generation 1 (Marvel Comics)]] and [[Transformers: Generation 1 (Dreamwave) |Generation 1 (Dreamwave comic)]]. One or both of these should be changed to resemble the other. Do we go with the singular "comic" or the plural "comics"? (Also, capitalization should be consistent. I'm assuming that lower-case is preferred. Indeed, I'd suggest "comic" as the preferable form, since the title of this very page uses the lower-case singular form.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 00:00, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
: "Marvel Comics" is the name of the company, so that is why it is capitalized. Dreamwave's company title does not have "Comics" in it, so "comics" is added so we know what kind medium the fiction is. The difference in capitalization between the two is INTENTIONAL. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:03, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
::I don't know if I buy that explanation... Or, rather, even if you are literally sure it's intentional and aren't rationalizing a mistake, I don't think that explanation suffices. There is no need to specify the media type in the parenthetical. The two should match in structure, being either "Dreamwave" and "Marvel Comics" or "Dreamwave comic" and "Marvel Comics comic" (which sounds stupid). I'd also accept dropping the "Comics" part of Marvel's name since it's not really needed, and also that's not their name anymore anyway. That would give us "Dreamwave"/"Marvel" or "Dreamwave comic"/"Marvel comic". --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 01:01, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
::::"rationalizing a mistake"? Dude, I go through pages and FIX the capitalization it so it's that way, for that reason. This is almost entirely in the fiction sections of all the articles, but specifying "comics" in some fashion after "Marvel" after "Generation 1" is crucial, as, well, you know, the cartoon was co-produced by Marvel. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::So, obviously its intentional. Still, I'd rather see something more consistent. It looks more and more like this particular convention exists only because it's never been noticed as being inconsistent before. By all means, point out "comic" in some fashion after "Marvel." But I still think that "comic" is more appropriate than "Comics", the fact (is it still a fact? Steve-o suggests it isn't anymore.) of Marvel's name being "Marvel Comics" notwithstanding.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 05:29, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Having [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 (cartoon)]] and "Generation 1 (Marvel)" co-exists bothers me.
:::I vote for "Generation 1 (Marvel comic)" and "Generation 1 (Dreamwave comic)".
:::There's probably 20 different articles that can be called "Generation 1 (somedisambig)". Just for comics we've had Marvel, Blackthorne, Benchpress (well, not really) 2 different manga publishers, Dreamwave, and IDW. And that's not even all G1 TF comics (Devil's Due's version of the TFU has a non-generic name that avoids it being chronicled under the generic 'Generation 1' label.)
:::Are there ''any'' other articles of this sort where we ''don't'' put the media type in the disambig? I think... in any franchise with more than 1 type of media, the media-type should be ''standard'' as part of the disambig.
:::Disambigs don't ''have'' to provide contextual information, but I think in G1's case, with ''so many'' articles, it's a good idea. Additionally, it would make the G1 articles better fit with the disambiging format used by other franchises. (For the most part other franchises don't have to deal with multiple publishers of a single kind of media, so their sub-pages are ''always'' disambig'd by type of media.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:40, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
It really shouldn't matter that it's just "Marvel" now; we should only be concerned about the name in effect when the comics were actually being published. Unless we're retconning all instances of "Takara" into "TakaraTomy". [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 01:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
:Perhaps not, but I still prefer "Marvel comic" for the sake of consistency to "Dreamwave comic". "Marvel" is descriptive enough that everyone knows what's being talked about. It need not be precisely the name of the company.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 02:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

==Annual years and releases==

(I'm raising this here as there isn't a generic article for the annuals and it could affect all of them.)

It's my recollection that the annuals released 1985-1987 were always referenced as being the annual for the year of publication (e.g. issue #65, printed in 1986, has a caption referring to "this year's annual"), but from 1988 onwards the annuals are referred to as the next's years, even though the books themselves don't give specific dates (whereas other Marvel UK annuals for Action Force, Thundercats and Visionaries released in 1988 all explicitly say they're the 1989 annual). This has led to quite a bit of confusion over the years as to which annual is which. [[Transformers Annual 1986#Items of Note]] currently states:

''This was the first annual, published for Christmas 1985. Due to the 1985 print date in the cover it is frequently mistakenly referred to as the 1985 annual, however annuals are always printed at the end of the year before.''

Whilst this is the main practice, is there any evidence it specifically applied to Marvel UK in 1985-1987?

Also most of the annuals state they were released in December, but I recall the announcements and adverts for them tended to be in the summer. Further to this the annual released in 1987 is explicitly followed up in stories printed that autumn (issues 135-138) which would have been awkward if the annual wasn't yet on sale. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 21:48, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

:The annuals usually appeared in the shops in August or September, believe it or not, so the 1987 annual appeared before ''Grudge Match'' did, and only a few weeks after ''Fire on High'' (the story to which it concluded). What confuses the issue for a lot of people who were kids at the time is that traditionally they didn't get the annuals until Christmas, whilst the comics seemed to often assume that kids would rush out and get them the second they came out. As for which album came out in which year, going by the copyright date seems to be a fairly accurate way of doing it, as that refers to the year in which it was physically published.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 23:07, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

::I did post something on this somewhere but it's gone astray. Looking through the comics from the time, the annuals (including other Marvel UK output) released in 1986 and 1987 are usually explicitly named as that year's annual. The 1988 release, however, is ambiguous with either "this year's" or "the [Transformers] annual". The 1989-1991 annuals were described with the following year's date.
::Within the annuals themselves only the 1991 release identifies itself in the copyright info as being the "1992" annual. It's notable that the 1988 release doesn't give a year when the contemporary Action Force, Thundercats and Visionaries annuals all identify themselves as the 1989 annual.
::The early Marvel UK practice appears to be in contrast to the general UK trend in children's annuals which is to use the following year, since they are targetted at the Christmand market (and it also gives leftover stock a longer shelf-life). [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 11:20, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

==Somes changes to the UK section==

I adjusted the UK section with more accurate information on the comic's format changes, which were more complex than originally stated. Most notably, the comic returned to a fortnightly schedule from issue 309 onwards, which is also when they ditched the three-strip structure and returned to the 'classic' format of one Transformers story and one back-up strip. Since I still have almost the whole run of Transformers UK comics in fairly good condition (issues #24-#332), I might take a look at going through the UK comics and adding in any missing information. On the issue of how 'canon' the UK/USA intermingling of stories are, my assessment is that the combined UK/US run is the 'correct' one, given that the later Furman comics refer to events in the UK continuity (Deathbringer, Xaaron, the UK 'creation myth' which appeared many years before in the US etc), with a nod at the headache-inducing Goldbug-creation issue.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 21:58, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

Hold on, didn't the format change with 310, not 309?

309 contained three strips - "The Price of Life" (Part 1), a partial reprint of "The Enemy Within" (Part 2), and topped off with a Machine Man backup as the third strip.

The change to two strips actually ocurred in 310, which had "The Price of Life" (Part 2) and Machine Man.

As such, there was a gap in "The Enemy Within" reprints so they could tie up the Machine Man story (issues 310-312).

The change to two strips (instead of three) was why "The Enemy Within" was put on ice for three issues, because they had to finish off the Machine Man run before they could continue with the reprints.

I've taken the liberty of tweaking the text to reflect this.--[[Special:Contributions/86.163.121.36|86.163.121.36]] 18:16, 6 June 2012 (EDT)

==(Marvel Comics) vs. (Marvel comic)==
I think this parenthetical should change to "(Marvel comic)". It's always confusing to me when I'm linking here, since we don't say "[[Transformers: Armada (Dreamwave)|(DW Productions)]]" or "[[Transformers: Armada (Panini)|(Panini Comics)]]". - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 23:32, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:Why not just (Marvel)? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:52, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::Unless you're suggesting a sitewide change, that would still have the inconsistency problem. '''Edit:''' And now that I've actually ''read'' all that discussion I just moved from [[Talk:List of Generation 1 comics|Talk:Generation 1 (comic)]]... it looks like everybody but Walky who put in a vote was agreeing on "(Marvel comic)", with some pretty firm reasoning. So based on that, I'm going to go ahead and move the article. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:13, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Again, why two words when one will do? What other "The Transformers" by Marvel are we distinguishing it from? The same goes for Dreamwave and anyone else. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 01:48, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:::To clarify... "Dreamwave comic" is meant to distinguish it from "Panini comic" or whatever other ''Armada'' comics exist. But in that context, the "comic" becomes unnecessary and should be dropped completely. The ONLY viable argument for keeping it is that Dreamwave also did the mini-comics that came with the toys, but a (mini-comic) disambig should be enough to distinguish between the two.
:::The purposes of a diambig is to allow the co-existence of similarly-named pages, and to allow the reader to figure out which one they're looking for -- not to serve as a descriptor of the page's contents. I say we kill the "comic", across the board. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 01:56, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
::::I see your logic, and the only counterpoint I can think of is that we ''have'' made concessions in our parentheticals for the sake of consistency within a small group. For instance, "Nightstick (Cyclonus)" used to be "Nightstick (Decepticon)", but part of [[Talk:Nightstick_(Cyclonus)#Move|the argument for moving it]] was that it didn't "fit" with [[Nightstick (Artfire)]] and [[Nightstick (Ricochet)]]. Likewise, the ''Shattered Glass'' pages used to be a hodgepodge of "(Shattered Glass)" and "(Timelines)" parentheticals, but they've since all been moved to the former for group-consistency, despite the valid logic that had made them different as individuals. And in this case, as Derik pointed out above, the disparity between [[The Transformers (cartoon)]] and "The Transformers (Marvel)" is kind of jarring. If we use the media in one, it seems fitting to use it in all. I admit that this is a judgement-call area, and I'm by no means steadfastly defending it. But if forced to choose between one or the other, I prefer keeping the media in. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 02:10, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::You know, we actually could move it to The Transformers (comic), since there's only one comic by that name.
:::::But regardless, it should be either The Transformers (Marvel) or The Transformers (comic). It makes sense just fine to me to first disambiguate by medium, then switch to by company only if a medium has more than one same-named series by more than one company. But using both medium ''and'' company in cases where either by itself would be sufficient is redundant and makes more work for editors.
:::::Alternatively we could think about switching to differentiating always by company if we really want to keep things consistent, since that seems like it would also produce only one word parentheticals most of the time, but I just don't see having both "cartoon" and "Marvel" as a problem really. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 07:23, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::''You know, we actually could move it to The Transformers (comic), since there's only one comic by that name.''
::::::That's so obvious, it never even occurred to me. It should absolutely be "The Transformers (comic)". Anyone disagree?
::::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 12:57, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Image:G1_Vol.3_Issue0_1.jpg] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:11, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::The "Generation One" subtitle pretty handily wipes away that problem! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 13:29, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::[[The Transformers (Madman)]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:17, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Ah, thank you. That actually brings up a good point: Nowhere in that article does it actually SAY it's a comic book. It even says "Cartoon continuity" (which is of course correct, but it still obscures the fact). It's not hard to intuit that it's printed material, but we should really be clearer than that. If we kept up the trend of including media-type in the parenthetical, then it wouldn't be a problem. But really, that isn't the parenthetical's job. What we need is maybe a standard addition to the infobox. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 01:31, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:As I'm going through *all* the Marvel comics, trying to clean them up, I'd appreciate it if the Jackass who moved the article could spend a bit of time fixing the millions of links too? Or should we hold off until there's another completely pointless page move? --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 08:47, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
::You DO realize we have a bot that's made just for fixing exactly this sort of thing, right? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 09:11, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Requests for moves can be put up at [[User:Deceptitran/Requests]]. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 09:18, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Well if I was the one moving pages for no apparent reason, the first thing I'd do is set the bot to fix the links. I can only assume that happened here...
:::...except it seems to have changed only the links to ''The Transformers'' (US) on each page. Most ''The Transformers'' (UK) links still point to "Generation 1 (Marvel Comics)" or "The Transformers (Marvel Comics)", either with or without the #Marvel UK rider. The whole thing's a clusterfuck right now and I was looking forward to basking in the gentle glow of victory, having uploaded the last of the Marvel UK covers last night. I just don't see the point of creating all the extra work for ourselves because someone is "confused" by the difference between (Marvel Comics) and (Marvel comic). --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 09:28, 11 July 2009 (EDT)

== Marvel UK reprints of American strips ==

Just to clarify without having to check every link - the Marvel UK section says that the UK comic reprinted "the American stories". Does this mean ''every'' American story was reprinted in the UK comic? And if not, which ones weren't? [[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 10:21, 20 April 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Battle Lines, Part 5

2011-10-31T23:59:46Z

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==This guy==
[[Image:Battleline5-thatguy.jpg|right|thumb]]
Who is he? IT'S DRIVING ME CRAZY --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:51, 31 October 2011 (EDT)
:Tell me about it! He looks super familiar. - [[Special:Contributions/86.163.180.144|86.163.180.144]]

Battle Unicorn

2011-10-25T01:17:15Z

86.163.230.112:

{{factions|maximalbm}}
:''Battle Unicorn is a [[Maximal]] from the [[Beast Machines (franchise)|Beast Machines]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

[[Image:BM-toy BattleUnicornRobot.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Always, I want to be with you, and make believe with you, and live in harmony, harmony, oh love...]]

Certain [[Vehicon general|Vehicon generals]] doubt the existence of a mysterious [[technorganic]] [[unicorn]] which doesn't show up on radar, moves without sound, appears and disappears like magic, and leaves only scrambled, indecipherable sensor logs in his wake. Those that have fought '''Battle Unicorn''', however, quickly learn that his fanciful alternate mode and prosaic designation disguise a powerful warrior, as intelligent and stealthy as he is skilled with his battle axe should a combatant actually manage to engage him. His stealth armor, sound dampers, sensor-scrambling hoof-stomps, and unique teleportation abilities combine to make this a rare occurrence, and make Battle Unicorn an excellent scout. Unfortunately, he is just not quite as cool as MLP.

==Fiction==
===''Universe''===
{{note|In the original script to the unreleased [[The Wreckers: Finale Part 1|''Wreckers'' issue #4]], "Battle Unicorn" was not an individual, but the name of a legion of warriors with the same body form. They were considered the best of the best of the post-''Beast Machines'' Cybertronian army: polished, epic, and intimidating. They let the less-organized and less-impressive rabble ride into battle on their backs.}}

[[Image:Maximalhighcouncil.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Primal interrupted their intense zoning regulations debate.]]

One week after the [[Great Reformatting]], as [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] fought the invading [[Quintesson]] forces, he was surrounded by brigades of Battle Unicorns and their [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticon]] opponents. Later, as [[Nightscream (BM)|Nightscream]] joined a handful of other Maximals in their descent through Cybertron's layers to stop the Predacon gangster [[Cryotek (RID)|Cryotek]], he wondered why they didn't bring a "phalanx of Battle Unicorns." {{storylink|Wreckers: Finale Part II}}

An apparently politically ambitious Battle Unicorn was a member of the [[Maximal High Council]] in the time after [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'s defeat and [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s [[technorganic]] [[Great Reformatting|reformatting]]. He, like the rest of the council, was apparently unmoved by [[Optimus Primal]]'s return and prophecies of [[Unicron]]-borne doom. {{storylink|Homecoming (issue)|Homecoming}}

When the [[Universe war]] began in earnest, Optimus Primal was successful in warding off most invading forces and keeping both the High Council and civilization in general undisturbed. This all changed suddenly and dramatically with "the [[Culling]]," which began when Unicron's hordes attacked Cybertron en masse. The Maximal High Council (and its Battle Unicorn) were among the first to fall as the general population was harvested for their [[spark]]s. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 9|Beast Wars 10th Anniversary Optimus Primal's bio}}
{{--}}

==Toys==
===Beast Machines===
[[Image:BM-toy BattleUnicornBeast.jpg|right|250px|thumb|For some reason, a lot of dyslexic fans seem disappointed to see me.]]
*'''Battle Unicorn''' (Basic, 2001)
**''Accessories'': Battle-ax

: Battle Unicorn transforms into a technorganic unicorn. The dial containing his [[spark crystal]] on the beast mode's left shoulder activates an "attack" gimmick, moving his head up and down in a headbutt/ramming attack. His tail 'n' mane form a massive battle axe for use in robot mode.

: Released at the very end of the [[Beast Machines (toyline)|''Beast Machines'' line]], Battle Unicorn had an exceptionally short "shelf life", leading to many fans never seeing him on the shelf at all. However, [[Hasbro]] worked out a deal with online toy store [[BigBadToyStore]], selling them solid cases of the figure (which managed to fill their warehouse for a good eight years).

: This mold was later [[redeco]]ed to make [[Magna Stampede]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2001/Maximal/BattleUnicorn/battleunicorn.htm More information on Battle Unicorn at TFU.info]''

[[Category:Beast Machines Maximals]]
[[Category:Mass-produced Transformers]]
[[Category:Maximal leaders]]
[[Category:Scouts]]
[[Category:Universe Maximals]]

Binder of Revelation

2011-06-10T08:57:16Z

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[[Image:Hasbrobible-OPrimedescription.jpg|right|thumb|350px]]
The "'''Binder of Revelation'''" is the informal name used by [[Hasbro]] creatives for the 354-page [[production bible]] that undergirds fiction in the [[Aligned continuity family]].<ref>Hasbro IP panel at [[BotCon 2011]] [http://www.figures.com/forums/news/13305-botcon-2011-hasbro-panel-report.html (summary at Figures.com)]</ref> Co-written by [[Aaron Archer]], [[Rik Alvarez]] and other ''[[Transformers brand|Transformers]]'' experts from Hasbro and the [[fandom]], it charts billions years of history<ref>''[[Transformers Vault]]''</ref> combining concepts from all previous "[[franchise|generations]]" of ''Transformers'' lore.

==References==
<references />

[[Category:Prime]]
[[Category:War for Cybertron]]

Wheeljack (Movie)

2011-05-27T16:21:00Z

86.163.164.179: /* IDW Dark of the Moon prequel comics */

{{factions|autobotfilm}}
{{disambig3|Wheeljack}}
:''Wheeljack is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] continuity family.''

[[Image: Foundation1_wheeljack.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Yeah, but what you have done for us ''lately''?]]
[[Image:Wheeljack1.jpg|right|thumb]]

'''Wheeljack''' will hook you up with all the latest stuff. Hope you like stuffy British accents.
{{TOCclear}}
==Fiction==
===IDW ''Dark of the Moon'' prequel comics===
Thousands of years ago on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Wheeljack was one of [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]]'s followers. He was a crucial figure in the culmination of Sentinel Prime's plan to save the dying planet: While Sentinel's other pupils held off an attack by the heretic [[Thetacon (tribe)|Thetacons]], Wheeljack's technical skills went to work creating a device that, once linked to the AllSpark, warped time and space, teleporting a sun into Cybertronian space. The sun's energy revitalized the [[AllSpark]], bringing life and energy back to Cybertron, and Wheeljack calmly remarked that, wouldn't you know it, it seemed they'd only gone and saved the world. {{storylink|Foundation issue 1|Foundation #1}} Soon after, Wheeljack stood by Sentinel Prime's side when he addressed the collective populace of the planet on [[Unification Day]], announcing the new direction for the revitalized Cybertron. The world was to be governed by a [[Science Division]] led by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]], and a [[Defense Force]] under [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]'s command; naturally, Wheeljack elected to join the former.{{storylink|Foundation issue 2|Foundation #2}}

Years later, Wheeljack was with Sentinel Prime and [[Elita-One (Movie)|Elita-One]] at one of the division's archaeological digs when they came under attack from Megatron's forces, which he had rechristened "[[Decepticon]]s" with the intent of seizing control of the planet. Optimus—now Optimus ''Prime''—rallied those who opposed Megatron under him as the [[Autobot]]s, Wheeljack included. {{storylink|Foundation issue 3|Foundation #3}}

As the war worsened, Sentinel Prime presented the Autobots with a mysterious "torch" he had invented that would somehow end the war. An Autobot strike team under Optimus assault [[Simfur]] in order to activate the torch by bringing it into contact with the AllSpark, while Wheeljack stayed by Sentinel's side, awaiting its return and preparing to depart aboard the two great [[Ark (disambiguation)|Arks]] the Autobots had built. Elita-One soon arrived with the active torch, at which point Sentinel ordered a reluctant Wheeljack to take the first [[Ark (Movie)|Ark]] and collected the other Autobots from their base in [[Tyger Pax]], while Sentinel himself took the torch and went to pick up Optimus's team aboard his own [[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]]. Consequently, Sentinel's Ark and all aboard were apparently destroyed by the Decepticons upon arrival. Furious at the death of his mentor, Optimus Prime enacted a new plan: while he kept Megatron busy, Wheeljack took the rest of the Autobots and attacked Simfur again, overwhelming the weakened Decepticons there and capturing the AllSpark. The cube was removed from the machine Wheeljack had invented, which caused Cybertron's sun to disappear. {{storylink|Foundation issue 4|Foundation #4}}

{{spoiler|Rising Storm issue 4|June 4}}
Thousands of years later, Wheeljack joined Optimus Prime on Earth at some point after 2009, alongside [[Mirage (Movie)|Mirage]]. The pair joined [[NEST]], and were assigned to a unit stationed in [[Washington, D.C.]]. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 3}} This put them closest to the action when a huge Decepticon battalion attacked [[Sam Witwicky]]'s school in [[Philadelphia]], and they arrived just in time to help [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] fight off the villains. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 2}} Wheeljack generated a powerful [[force field]] to shield Sam and other human bystanders as they ran from the battle, {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 3}} and the pair helped hold the line until Optimus Prime arrived with reinforcements. Observing that the Decepticons were attempting to flee, Prime ordered Wheeljack to extend his force field in order to keep them from escaping, but before the scientist could comply, the merciless [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] descended onto the battlefield and grievously damaged Wheeljack with a powerful blast. Luckily, Wheeljack remained just functional enough to complete his recalibration, trapping Shockwave inside his force field with a very unhappy Optimus Prime. After Prime defeated Shockwave, [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] examined Wheeljack's broken body and reported that he could be repaired, though he probably wouldn't be "quite the same". {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 4}}

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===''Dark of the Moon'' film===
{{comingsoon}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Autobots'' video game===
Wheeljack upgraded [[Create-A-Bot (Autobot)|Create-A-Bot]] so that he could store the data of and, thus, adopt multiple vehicle forms. {{storylink|Transformers Autobots/Decepticons|Transformers: Autobots}}

===''Transformers: The Game'' (PSP)===
[[Image:Wheeljack movie psp.jpg|180px|thumb|right]]

:''Voice actor:'' [[Eric Passoja]]

Wheeljack arrived on [[Earth]] some time after [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and his team, apparently at the same time as [[Hoist (Movie)|Hoist]] and [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]]. At that time, the Autobots were coming under attack from an army of Decepticon drones, and Wheeljack was able to concoct a virus that would send the drones back into sleep mode. [[Hound (Movie)|Hound]] and [[Trailbreaker (Movie)|Trailbreaker]] were charged with transmitting the virus to an orbiting satellite, broadcasting it to all the drones simultaneously. Although they succeeded, Wheeljack was left with the unfortunate task of relaying to Optimus Prime that Hound had died in the process.

A little later, Wheeljack accompanied the Autobots on their mission to the [[Hoover Dam]], and was seen escaping the complex when the Decepticons attacked. {{storylink|Transformers The Game (PSP)|Transformers The Game (PSP)}}

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[[Category:Dark of the Moon Autobots]]
[[Category:Fiction-only Transformers]]
[[Category:Scientists]]

Talk:Sergeant Chaos

2011-05-19T08:42:59Z

86.163.163.124:

So, is "Sergeant Chaos" is his supervillan nickname, or is his last name really Chaos? I ask mostly for category sorting purposes. Should he be alphabetized under "C"? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:45, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
:We don't know of course. May never. ButI'd lean slightly toward it being a supervilliamy code name. Though Dr. "Arch-Evil" might disagree--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 07:17, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
==Why?==

...are we moving all the DOTM HA characters? Their names are given right there on the packages with their ranks included, and EVERYBODY is going to think of these characters with those full names and type those in when looking for them (there is nothing fun about just "Chaos". Everyone will remember him as the dude with the ridiculous name, "Sergeant Chaos"). I mean, I know we usually leave off titles, but these guys are actually being sold as product under their title-d names. This is just disambiguating for the sake of it. - [[Special:Contributions/86.163.163.124|86.163.163.124]] 04:42, 19 May 2011 (EDT)

Sea Spray (TF 2010)

2010-10-17T18:42:36Z

86.163.56.142: /* Transformers (2010) */

{{faction|autobot}}
{{disambig3|Seaspray}}
:''Sea Spray is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'' toyline.]]''

[[Image:Sea Spray.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Africa? I bless the rain down there.]]

'''Sea Spray''' has a surprise waiting for those Decepticons who think the water is a safe place to operate. [[Crankstart]] in particular mistakenly believes he is well hidden off the shore of [[Africa]].
{{-}}
==Toys==
===''Transformers'' (2010)===
[[Image:TF2010toy-SeaSpray.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Insert awesome quote in a gurgling voice here.]]
*'''Sea Spray''' (Voyager Class, 2010)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''AA-05'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 "Harpoon Launchers", 2 [[missile|"harpoon" projectiles]]

:Sea Spray transforms into a transport hovercraft, with rolling wheels underneath. The rear deck (featuring a fold-down ramp) can carry most [[size class|Scout]] class vehicles, though it is intended to be used with [[Breacher]]. The [[size class|Deluxe]] class [[Hailstorm_(TF_2010)|Hailstorm]] also fits snugly. Sea Spray's turbofans can rotate and tilt at several angles, and feature little fans inside that can spin (only by manual manipulation, as there is no gimmick mechanism linked to them). Sea Spray's harpoon launchers attach on the sides of his air cushion skirt.

:In robot mode, Sea Spray's design resembles that of a scuba diver, with a breather mask and "goggles" on his head, details resembling scuba air tanks (actually part of his vehicle mode air cushion) on his back and fold-out flippers on his feet. His harpoon launchers, using [[5mm post]]s, can be left attached to the underside of his arms as they were in vehicle mode, or placed in his hands.
[[Image:SeaSprayJR.png|right|thumb|Japanese Sea Spray]][[Image:SeaSprayJV.png|right|thumb|Japanese hovercraft]]

:[[TakaraTomy]]'s release of Sea Spray features much brighter colours in an attempt to match [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation1]] [[Seaspray (G1)|Seaspray]]. Of note is the replacement of the gold parts with bright yellow.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2010/Autobot/SeaSpray/seaspray.htm More information on Sea Spray at TFU.info]''

==Notes==
* At [[Toy Fair 2010]] and in the [[Hasbro Q&A/March 2010: Answers|March 2010 answers]] to tfwiki.net's questions in [[Hasbro Q&A]], [[Hasbro]] representatives were adamant that Sea Spray is the same character as [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[Seaspray (G1)|Seaspray]], being a ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]''-style upgrade of the [[Mini Vehicle]] placed in the adjectiveless [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'' toyline]] because they felt he should be a Voyager and ''[[Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' was only Deluxes. However, since his packaging bio places him versus live-action-styled guys who seemingly operate in the live-action-style universe, that initial inspiration can probably be filed under [[authorial intent]].

[[Category: Autobots]]
[[Category: Sea specialists]]
[[Category: Transformers 2010 toyline characters]]
[[Category: Toy-only characters]]

Sea Spray (TF 2010)

2010-10-17T18:41:06Z

86.163.56.142: /* Transformers (2010) */

{{faction|autobot}}
{{disambig3|Seaspray}}
:''Sea Spray is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'' toyline.]]''

[[Image:Sea Spray.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Africa? I bless the rain down there.]]

'''Sea Spray''' has a surprise waiting for those Decepticons who think the water is a safe place to operate. [[Crankstart]] in particular mistakenly believes he is well hidden off the shore of [[Africa]].
{{-}}
==Toys==
===''Transformers'' (2010)===
[[Image:TF2010toy-SeaSpray.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Insert awesome quote in a gurgling voice here.]]
*'''Sea Spray''' (Voyager Class, 2010)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''AA-05'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 "Harpoon Launchers", 2 [[missile|"harpoon" projectiles]]

:Sea Spray transforms into a transport hovercraft, with rolling wheels underneath. The rear deck (featuring a fold-down ramp) can carry most [[size class|Scout]] class vehicles, though it is intended to be used with [[Breacher]]. The [[size class|Deluxe]] class [[Hailstorm_(TF_2010)]] also fits snugly. Sea Spray's turbofans can rotate and tilt at several angles, and feature little fans inside that can spin (only by manual manipulation, as there is no gimmick mechanism linked to them). Sea Spray's harpoon launchers attach on the sides of his air cushion skirt.

:In robot mode, Sea Spray's design resembles that of a scuba diver, with a breather mask and "goggles" on his head, details resembling scuba air tanks (actually part of his vehicle mode air cushion) on his back and fold-out flippers on his feet. His harpoon launchers, using [[5mm post]]s, can be left attached to the underside of his arms as they were in vehicle mode, or placed in his hands.
[[Image:SeaSprayJR.png|right|thumb|Japanese Sea Spray]][[Image:SeaSprayJV.png|right|thumb|Japanese hovercraft]]

:[[TakaraTomy]]'s release of Sea Spray features much brighter colours in an attempt to match [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation1]] [[Seaspray (G1)|Seaspray]]. Of note is the replacement of the gold parts with bright yellow.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2010/Autobot/SeaSpray/seaspray.htm More information on Sea Spray at TFU.info]''

==Notes==
* At [[Toy Fair 2010]] and in the [[Hasbro Q&A/March 2010: Answers|March 2010 answers]] to tfwiki.net's questions in [[Hasbro Q&A]], [[Hasbro]] representatives were adamant that Sea Spray is the same character as [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[Seaspray (G1)|Seaspray]], being a ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]''-style upgrade of the [[Mini Vehicle]] placed in the adjectiveless [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'' toyline]] because they felt he should be a Voyager and ''[[Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' was only Deluxes. However, since his packaging bio places him versus live-action-styled guys who seemingly operate in the live-action-style universe, that initial inspiration can probably be filed under [[authorial intent]].

[[Category: Autobots]]
[[Category: Sea specialists]]
[[Category: Transformers 2010 toyline characters]]
[[Category: Toy-only characters]]

Bumblebee (Animated)

2010-01-02T15:58:03Z

86.163.225.161: /* Voyager */

{{factions|autobot}}
{{picsneeded|Cartoon screencaps}}
{{disambig3|Bumblebee}}
:''Bumblebee is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Bumblebeeanimated.jpg|thumb|300px|Little. Yellow. Different.]]
'''Bumblebee''' is the youngest, yellowest, and most energetic of the Autobots...[[Bumblebee (G1)|as]] [[Bumblebee (Movie)|usual]]. A hyperactive wisecracker, Bumblebee is quite convinced he's the fastest—and coolest—thing on four wheels. He has a tendency to bite off more than he can chew, so it's a good thing he pals around with the massive [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]]. He does ''not'' take well to being called short, and his over-eager ways can get on [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet's]] nerves all too easily. Still, Bumblebee is good people, as evidenced by his fast friendship with [[Sari Sumdac]].

{{bigquote|I may be small, but I'm scrappy! And I can ride circles around your big, old, rusty chassis!|Bumblebee to Bulkhead|"[[Total Meltdown]]"}}

:''Arabic dub name'': '''Bumbly''' (بامبلي ''Bāmblī'')
:''Arabic commercial name'': '''Bumble Bee''' (بامبل بي ''Bāmbil Bī'')
:''Russian name'': '''Бамблби'''
==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Bumper Robinson]] (English), [[Santiago Ziesmer]] (German), [[Krzysztof Korzeniowski]] (Polish), [[Renato Novara]] (Italian)

[[Image:Autobot_Cadets.jpg|thumb|left|250px|There's a [[Wasp|green me]] and a [[Cliffjumper (Animated)|red me]]!]]
Early in his career, Bumblebee dreamed of becoming a member of the [[Cybertron Elite Guard|Elite Guard]]. He joined the [[Autobot boot camp]], but things didn't exactly go as planned—his [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|drill sergeant]] was a jerk, [[Wasp|most]] of his [[Ironhide (Animated)|classmates]] bullied him and the only bot willing to befriend him was a complete [[Bulkhead (Animated)|mudflap]]. His luck seemed to change, however, when he accidentally overheard someone communicating with a Decepticon. He then saw fellow classmate [[Wasp]] walk out, which aroused his suspicions. After taking the advice of [[Shockwave (Animated)|Longarm]], Bumblebee attempted to weed out the spy, but Sentinel Minor got in the way twice. Needless to say, this resulted in many [[Transform-up|transform-ups]] for his squadron. After Wasp and Ironhide tore off his legs and put him in a closet, he was saved by Longarm, who encouraged him not to give up. Later that day, the group was put through their first training exercise—combat in a simulated battlezone. When somebody switched the turret settings to fire actual lasers, it was Bulkhead who saved Bumblebee. However, they accidentally knocked over a building in the process, flattening Sentinel.

When Sentinel was conducting a surprise locker inspection, Sentinel discovered a Decepticon communicator in Wasp's trunk, ousting him as a traitor. Sentinel was prepared to put Bumblebee on an Elite Guard fast track program. Sadly, his new friendship with Bulkhead forced him to throw it all away in order to prevent his new buddy being kicked out, and they both wound up working on [[space bridge]]s. {{storylink|Autoboot Camp}}

[[Image:Bumblebeeanimatedpreearth.jpg|thumb|250px|Wait... who are [[Hot Shot (Animated)|you]]?]]

The two friends were assigned to [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]]'s space bridge repair [[Teletran-1|vessel]]. During one mission, Bumblebee and Bulkhead stumbled across [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]], a ninja-bot meditating near an isolated space bridge. Due to an [[energon cube]] accident on [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]]'s part, Prowl's spaceship was destroyed, and he was forced to join their crew. {{storylink|Endgame, Part I}} After this, Bumblebee's work continued as usual until the crew discovered the [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] itself on another asteroid, which unfortunately attracted the attention of [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]]. Even though he expressed significant fear of the [[Decepticon]] leader, Bumblebee still managed to crack wise at his appearance once they were face-to-face. The humor vanished when Megs pulled out his sword. After Megatron was thrown off the ship, Bumblebee entered stasis with the rest of the crew just before the crew's ship crash-landed on [[Earth]].

Fifty years later, Teletran-1 awoke the crew to alert them to the intrusion of a nanite-powered bug-slug. Sending out a probe to find local disguises, the probe scanned [[Captain Fanzone]]'s [[Captain Fanzone's car|car]] amongst other things. Bumblebee was given the car for his new bodyform. Lucky him.

[[Image:TFA_TFandRollout_Sari_followedmehome.jpg|thumb|left|250px|"Can we keep it?"]]
Upon noticing [[Sari Sumdac|"a little creature"]] struggling with her [[Sparkplug (robot dog)|"owner"]], 'Bee and Mr. Bulk showed their unfamiliarity with organic life by assuming the owner/pet relationship was reversed. Their speculation was interrupted by the attacks of the giant, nanite-fueled bug monster, and Bumblebee intervened to get Sari out of the way. Later in the battle, Bumblebee was called on to deliver the override command to the beast's nanites, as he was the fastest and most nimble of the crew.

His defeat of the monster seriously impressed Sari, who decided to befriend him. Sari's definition of befriending included cajoling him into sneaking her aboard the Autobots' ship. Of course, Sari wouldn't stay still as Bumblebee asked, compelling him to jettison her into a ventilation shaft. After introducing her to the group, Sari and 'Bee became fast friends. When [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] attacked [[Detroit]], Bumblebee took a shot intended for Sari, allowing Screamer to capture 'Bee, [[Isaac Sumdac]], [[Captain Fanzone]], and the Mayor. Sari, with [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]]'s help, managed to rescue them. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out!}}

The Autobots quickly became famous for their heroic deeds in Detroit, much to Bumblebee's delight. Prowl, on the other hand, was less enthusiastic about all the attention, however, and he and Bumblebee quickly had a clash of opinions on the values of peace and quiet versus the values of fun. When the Autobots' factory base was turned against them, however, Bumblebee was forced to listen to Prowl's "stillness and strike" attitude to get past the motion sensors preventing him from shutting the factory down. In the aftermath, he had a newfound respect for Prowl as the two played a relaxed game of Twister™. {{storylink|Home Is Where the Spark Is}}

At one point, Bumblebee took part in a match against [[Colossus Rhodes|Cyrus "Colossus" Rhodes]], hosted by [[Meltdown (Animated)|Prometheus Black]] to show off the effectiveness of biotechnology. Unfortunately, Cyrus [[Hulk|hulked up]], then proceeded to beat the [[Slag (slang)|slag]] out of Bumblebee. The other Autobots were forced to rescue him, using it as a chance to riff on his small stature. However, only Bumblebee was able to get into [[Sumdac Tower]] when [[Meltdown (Animated)|Meltdown]] went to kill Isaac Sumdac. Bumblebee managed to get him to the ground floor, but Meltdown arrived. Bulkhead tried to stop him, but Meltdown threw a glob of acid at Bulkhead, which Bumblebee took instead (basically, 'Bee is a <s>human</s> robot shield). Bulkhead offered his apologies over his comments, saying he was only having a little fun—which sent Bumblebee into declaring his good moves and speed. He's going to be pretty impossible to live with for a while. {{storylink|Total Meltdown}}

The troubles in Detroit were far from over, as the Autobots soon found themselves facing three rampaging [[Dinobot (Animated)|robotic dinosaurs]]. During the battle, Bumblebee combined his stingers' electrical with Ratchet's magnets to create an [[electromagnetic pulse]] that would hopefully shut the prehistoric menaces down. Sari decided to pitch in by boosting Bumblebee's stingers with her [[AllSpark Key]], which proved enough to defeat the "Dinobots"... but also provided them with [[Spark|sparks]]. {{storylink|Blast from the Past}} He later bought a neat car horn and tried to chase down a mysterious muscle car with little success. The car turned out to be the bounty hunter [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]], who kidnapped Optimus Prime and made short work of Bumblebee as well, threatening to take his stingers. In the end, Lockdown was defeated by Ratchet and Prime was saved. {{storylink|The Thrill of the Hunt}}

[[Image:TFA_Nanosec_Bumblebee_turbo_boosters.JPG|thumb|250px|BB got back!]]
After Bumblebee showed a lack of ability (or inclination) to be subtle on Earth, Prime had Prowl try to teach Bumblebee how to blend in. This ruined some plans with Sari, as she wanted to attach some turbo-boosters to him to make him go even faster. During the exercise, they encountered [[Nanosec]], a crook that had gained Professor Sumdac's new speed suit via [[Megatron (Animated)|unknown patrons]]. Unable to keep up with Nanosec, Bumblebee was convinced by Sari attach the turbo-boosters against Prime's orders. Unfortunately, he couldn't control them in vehicle mode, allowing Nanosec to escape from the Autobots twice. Worse, he was carrying enough [[Destronium]] to destroy all of Detroit. Overhearing Bulkhead and Prowl's comments on his change of appearance, Bumblebee realized that the suit was causing him to age the more he used it, so he purposefully ran him into old age (cold, Bee). With the Destronium about to go critical, Bumblebee, with help from Prowl and Bulkhead, managed to use his turbo-boosters to head into the outer atmosphere and get the Destronium away from the city before detonating. The whole experience seems have given Bumblebee a bit more respect for subtlety. {{storylink|Nanosec (episode)|Nanosec}}

October soon came around, and Sari decided to teach the Autobots about [[Halloween]]. Bumblebee dressed up as "Count Dracubot", but his trick-and-treating session went sour when he and Bulkhead were attacked by the spider-bot [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] and knocked unconscious. They recovered in time to save Sari from falling off a skyscraper, although Bumblebee blew out his tires in the process. {{storylink|Along Came a Spider}} After participating in Sari's eighth birthday party, Bumblebee decided that he also wanted one of those cool [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]] toys. He was less enthusiastic after Soundwave took control of all [[automaton]]s in Detroit and faked Bumblebee's voice in order to confuse the Autobots. {{storylink|Sound and Fury}} While Soundwave was eventually defeated, the Decepticon attacks were far from over—[[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] and [[Lugnut]] soon arrived on Earth in their search for Megatron. Bumblebee and the others were knocked unconscious by Lugnut's [[Punch of Kill Everything|mighty punch]] in their first battle, but the odds were in the Autobots' favour when they later fought in the muddy waters of [[Lake Erie]]. Bumblebee got to electrocute Blitzwing a bit before both Decepticons were blasted to pieces by Teletran-1's main cannon. {{storylink|Lost and Found (episode)|Lost and Found}}

When Sari was later kidnapped by a [[Swoop (Animated)|pterosaur]], Bumblebee participated in the police investigation. {{storylink|Survival of the Fittest}} Bulkhead later got into the fine arts, so Bumblebee helped out by modeling for him until his friend got his body hijacked by the human villain known as the [[Headmaster (Animated)|Headmaster]]. As the other Autobots investigated, Bumblebee kept Bulkhead's head company and helped him create art pieces for his upcoming gallery (all while relentlessly cracking jokes about the situation, naturally). The Headmaster soon threatened to destroy Detroit using Bulkhead's body, so the Autobots approached him by pretending to be rescue vehicles, with Bumblebee being driven by Captain Fanzone. During the battle against the Headmaster, he got to play both bowling and football with Bulkhead's head before it was returned to its body. {{storylink|Headmaster (episode)|Headmaster}}

Some time during that winter, Bumblebee and Sari were playing video games and listening to music while ignoring Prowl's lectures on how spending so much time on "electronic devices" was unnecessary. All three of them were then sent out to investigate a Cybertronic energy signal in the woods; a prospect which filled Bumblebee with dread as nature was just so ''incredibly'' boring compared to his TV, games and music back home. He came along on what Sari described as a "camping trip" anyway, although he brought plenty of electronic devices with him. Prowl was not impressed, and even less so when Bumblebee decided to use his holographic projector as a TV screen. The lack of electricity proved to be the least of Bumblebee's problems, however, as the group was attacked by a [[Space barnacles|space barnacle monster]] shortly after nightfall. After a drawn-out fight with the creature, Bumblebee eventually knocked it off a cliff with his stingers, only to find that Prowl had been infected by the barnacles himself. While Sari had the bright idea of trapping the crazed Prowl in a mine, Bumblebee ended up trapping both of ''them'' in it as well, and got himself infected. Ultimately, Sari saved the day by using hot water to remove the barnacles, and in the aftermath Bumblebee voiced his opinion that nature should just be paved over as soon as possible. {{storylink|Nature Calls}}

[[Image:Megatron_rising_1_Starscream_freakout.jpg|thumb|left|250px|"YOU INTERRUPTED MY SPEECH!"]]
When Decepticon activity was detected in high levels, Bulkhead spilled the beans on what he and Prowl had done with the [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobots]], and Optimus Prime pretty much lost it. Ranting that all he had was a group of insubordinate malfunctions, he told Ratchet to take Sari's [[AllSpark Key]] from her, saying it wasn't safe in her hands. As she ran off crying, Bumblebee defended her, and Prime pointed out that Bumblebee wasn't a good character witness. Bumblebee mouthed off that their situation meant that Prime wasn't fit to command, and then went looking for Sari. Heading to [[Sumdac Tower]], Bumblebee spotted Starscream, and disobeyed Prime's order to hold off. Heading up the elevator (which could not only fit him, but also carry his weight), Bumblebee charged, firing his stingers at Starscream. All it really did was interrupt his speech, which made Starscream ''seriously'' freak out. However, a crane pulled Starscream, who was holding Bumblebee, up to the roof, where the two fought it out...right until Megatron burst through the roof of the tower. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 1}}

After Megatron's restoration, Starscream absentmindedly beat on Bumblebee for a while, then threw him aside when Megatron called the Decepticons to him. Once he'd been repaired with remaining AllSpark Key energy in Professor Sumdac's lab, Bumblebee called Prime on his previous statements, and Optimus apologized, saying he'd been out of line. When Ratchet brought the Autobots' ship to them, the Autobots and Sumdacs boarded the vessel in an attempt to lead Megatron and the Decepticons off-planet, but were shot down and crashed on [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]]. As the Autobots rallied to defend the AllSpark, Bumblebee, Ratchet, and Prowl took on [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]]. Ratchet and Bumblebee teamed up again to create an [[electromagnetic pulse]], causing him to crash. After shelling them in tank mode, Blitzwing again took to the air for some strafing runs. Prowl noticed a connection between Blitzwing's alternate modes and personalities, so they had Bumblebee use his greatest strength, his obnoxious personality, to cause Angry Blitzwing to emerge. Taunting the triple changer, Bumblebee got him to transform accidentally into tank mode and crash into the lake. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 2}}

[[Image:Super_secretary.jpg|thumb|250px|"[[Aaron Archer]]'s office. Please hold."]] Following the defeat of Megatron and the disappearance of Professor Sumdac, Bumblebee helped Sari run [[Sumdac Systems]] until the arrival of the [[Cybertron Elite Guard]]. Among their numbers was [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]], Bumblebee and Bulkhead's old sergeant from boot camp, but thankfully he didn't seem to remember them. 'Bee and the rest of the crew were subsequently contained within the [[Steelhaven (Animated)|Elite Guard flagship]] while the Sentinel and [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] went with Optimus Prime to investigate the supposed defeat of Megatron and dispersion of the AllSpark, but soon had to leave to deal with an out-of-control [[police drone]] factory. {{storylink|The Elite Guard}} Shortly afterwards, Bumblebee greeted Sari when she was thrown out of Sumdac Tower by [[Porter C. Powell]] and forced to live with the Autobots. He and Bulkhead tried to cheer her up by saying that living together would be like a non-stop party, making her food and teaching her about "stuff and how it works", but were met with limited success. {{storylink|The Return of the Headmaster}}

Bumblebee and Sari later helped stop a runaway train powered by an AllSpark fragment. When Starscream stopped by again, 'Bee and Ratchet again combined their powers to attack him with an electromagnetic pulse, but the AllSpark-powered Decepticon shrugged it off like it was nothing. {{storylink|Mission Accomplished}} After noticing truly how bad Ratchet's people skills were, Optimus Prime assigned Bumblebee and Sari to help him improve on them, something neither party was very enthusiastic about. During their training, the three encountered the newly created Transformer [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Wreck-Gar]], who proceeded to throw beef and motorcycles at Bumblebee. The Autobots chased Wreck-Gar across the city to retrieve the experimental nanobots he had in his backpack, but Bumblebee was not present during Ratchet's final confrontation with the confused 'bot. {{storylink|Garbage In, Garbage Out}}

[[Image:TFA_Velocity_Bumblebee_Blurr_meet.JPG|thumb|left|250px|"If you're [[Auggie Cahnay]], your ass is grass!"]]
Bumblebee became involved in the illegal street races organised by the criminal [[Master Disaster]]. Believing himself to be the fastest things on wheels, Bumblebee was unsurprisingly shocked after getting thrashed in a race by a [[Blurr (Animated)| Mysterious Blue Race Car]]. Following this, AllSpark traces, and the appearance of Blitzwing at the race track, Bumblebee became determined to get to the bottom of the mystery (although deep down he just wanted another chance to beat the Unknown Racer.) He made a deal with Master Disaster to appear in his races. Enlisting the help of Sari, Bumblebee returned to the track, and, to cut a long story short, ending up being pursued by the maniacal Blitzwing. After nearly being frozen one minute and melted to slag the next, Bumblebee was eventually rescued by the Mysterious Racer driving into Blitzwing. The excitement wasn't over for Bumblebee yet, as when returning to Master Disaster's trailer for answers, he and his pal Bulkhead (who had angrily followed Bumblebee there for defying him) had to face off against Blitzwing (he was desperate for that AllSpark fragment...), and had to be rescued once again... although this time it was Sari using Master Disaster's controlling device. {{storylink|Velocity}}

Later, he went on a trip to the Five Banners Roller Coaster Kingdom theme park with Sari. Optimus, fool that he is, believed him when he called it "an important fact-finding mission". {{storylink|A Fistful of Energon}}

[[Image:Watching_SUVs.jpg|thumb|250px|If they start to do it, let me see, ok?]]
On another occasion, Bumblebee was attempting to clear up the streets of Detroit by catching some of their [[Nanosec|small]] [[Angry Archer|time]] [[Professor Princess|criminals]]. However, in each case, whenever Bumblebee came close to the capture, he froze up completely, and allowed the baddies to escape. It later became apparent that this was due to the AllSpark-infused timepiece belonging to [[Slo-Mo]]. After revealing himself and snatching the timepiece, [[Swindle (Animated)|Swindle]] froze all of the Autobots and looked set for victory. However, after being lifted to Sumdac Tower by Sari and the members of the [[Society of Ultimate Villainy|SUV]] and repaired, Bumblebee took on Swindle (even managing to floor him at one point with his stingers.) After getting the timepiece back from Swindle, Bumblebee was double-crossed by the SUV, but fortunately for the Autobot, the rest of his pals were back online by now, and managed to get the criminals arrested. {{storylink|SUV: Society of Ultimate Villainy}}

After learning of Wasp's escape, Bumblebee felt a stirring of his old dreams, and dragged Bulkhead off to trace a signal leaked to them, containing a conversation between Megatron and his spy. As they tracked it down, Bumblebee fell into old habits, and started putting Bulkhead down, just like in the old days. It took a nasty fall to remind him that Bulkhead was the best friend he'd ever have, and he didn't need to spend his time chasing big dreams. Together, the two headed home, never realizing they were just outside of the carbon mines where the Decepticons were hiding.

Later, Bumblebee relayed the information they'd gathered to his old friend, Longarm, now Longarm ''Prime'', head of Cybertron Intel. {{storylink|Autoboot Camp}}

[[Image:TFA_Black_Friday_Meltdown_Bee.jpg|thumb|left|250px|IDK, my BFF Jill?]]
Due to his inability to stay quiet, Prowl placed a bet on Bumblebee—that he couldn't go 10 [[Cycle|cycles]] without talking. Should he keep to this, a sweet can of axle grease would be his! However, the poor bot just couldn't do it. Prime took 'Bee and Prowl with him to Dinobot Island to investigate Meltdown's prison break, and the plucky yellow bot vowed he would win the axle grease. However, the bet was put on hold after both he and Prowl were off-lined by [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia's]] [[cyber venom]]. After the day was saved, Prime used the antidote on the bots, and 'Bee pointed out he'd been quiet for ages! Prowl dryly noted it took 'Bee being comatose to achieve this, but the yellow bot didn't care—he just wanted his grease! {{storylink|Black Friday (episode)| Black Friday}}

After insulting Bulkhead's latest painting of Sari, Bumblebee realized that he was wrong and actually apologized for his comments. It didn't go over very well, and that was before Megatron showed up with Professor Sumdac. Though Bumblebee suspected that Sumdac was a willing accomplice, Sari refused to hear it. At that moment, the mysterious blue racer appeared. Thinking he was a Decepticon, Bumblebee rolled after the racer, running him off the road. It was only at this point that the racer revealed that he was [[Blurr (Animated)|Blurr]], a member of the Elite Guard sent to keep tabs on Decepticons and Prime's crew. Worse, Bumblebee's actions allowed Bulkhead to be kidnapped by Megatron. Once Optimus Prime was informed that the Decepticons were building a [[space bridge]] to attack Cybertron, 'Bee went with the Autobots to rescue Bulkhead and destroy the bridge. During a brief skirmish with Lugnut and Blitzwing, Bumblebee admitted that he'd lost his title as "fastest thing on wheels" to Blurr. Unfortunately, when they confronted Megatron himself, the [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicons]] managed to incapacitate the pair...just in time for Starscream and his [[Starscream clone|clones]] to attack. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part I}}

Managing to escape the Decepticons, the Autobots went for the clones, apparently deciding that they were the greater evil. The battle went poorly for them, as Blurr was lost in the space bridge and Bumblebee was cemented to a wall. When Isaac Sumdac decapitated Starscream and took his body with the [[Headmaster (Animated)|Headmaster unit]], Bumblebee was convinced that he was working for the Decepticons, though Sumdac revealed that it was to destroy Megatron. That didn't work out too well. After Megatron explained his plan to the captive Autobots, the Decepticon [[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]] revealed that he was Longarm Prime and that Bumblebee had sent an innocent Wasp to the stockade. Fortunately, [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]] arrived, reactivated thanks to Sari and Ratchet, and sacrificed himself to save the Autobots and Sumdacs. With the threat passed, Sumdac revealed that he had been forced to help the Decepticons, and Bumblebee's mistrust of the professor presumably faded away—only to return when Sari saw that the skin of her right arm had torn...revealing robotic circuitry underneath! {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part II}}

Despite the revelation that one of his best friends was a robot, Bumblebee actually remained focused on the larger picture: namely, Shockwave's presence on Cybertron. Optimus reasoned that since Bulkhead was a genius with regards to space bridges (something Bumblebee said he'd never get used to, revealing his high opinion of his other best friend), so the two headed out to the mine. Bumblebee managed to find a recall beacon generator, which was needed to locate the position in space, and the plasmadynamic thruster, which generated the transwarp field. Unfortunately, the thruster activated before Bumblebee could give it to Bulkhead, sending him across the galaxy. After catching another transwarp wave, he was again transported to another part of the galaxy—where he was swallowed by a [[rock creature|rock alien]].

Fortunately, Bulkhead was able to capture Bumblebee's signal, and reel him in. Sadly, it also brought the alien to Detroit. As the Autobots struggled to figure out how to defeat the monster and save Bumblebee, Sari used the AllSpark Key on herself to upgrade with new weapons and a teenage appearance. Sari quickly trounced the monster, freeing Bumblebee. Unfortunately, Sari didn't remove the Key after the upgrade, causing her to overload and lose control of her abilities. Bumblebee made a mad dash to try to remove the Key, but Sari's defenses systems registered him as a threat, and Sari horrifically watched as she stabbed Bumblebee through the chest and blasted him across the street. Ratchet immediately went to work, saying that he could repair Bumblebee without the Key. However, the damage was severe, and Bumblebee's spark was fading fast. Even when they got the Key, Ratchet was still hard pressed, as the Key had been burned out upgrading Sari. Fortunately, Ratchet managed to stabilize Bumblebee with his magnets, but Ratchet was forced to deactivate Sari with his EMP generator.

[[Image:TransWarpedBumblebeeSari.jpg|250px|right|thumb|Ouch.]]
After Ratchet made what repairs he could, the Autobots allowed Professor Sumdac some time alone with Sari. Lamenting on how troubled their day had been, Bumblebee tempted fate by asking how much worse it could get. On cue, the plasmadynamic thruster began to power up, but Bulkhead manged to shut it down. Unfortunately, Omega Supreme soon arrived, under the control of Megatron. Bumblebee was given an illegal stinger upgrade to help against Omega Supreme, but it still did little good. Optimus and Prowl managed to sneak inside and remove Megatron's control while Bumblebee and Bulkhead served as <s>bait</s> a distraction. However, Starscream managed to gain control, and soon moved to conquer Cybertron. Bumblebee came up with the idea to throw the plasmadynamic thruster inside Omega to send the three randomly warping across the galaxy, managing to reach the altitude with his turbo boosters (why Optimus let him keep those is unknown). Later, Sari was awakened, and all was well with the Autobots...except for being out of contact with Cybertron, but still, it's the thought that counts. {{storylink|TransWarped}}

While Bulkhead and Professor Sumdac began constructing a space bridge, Bumblebee and the other Autobots focused on hunting down the remaining Decepticons on Earth. The first one they found was Lugnut, who was defeated and [[stasis cuffs|stasis cuffed]] after a drawn-out battle. Unfortunately, this left the Autobot force trying to pull the massive Decepticon out of the deep crater he had caused during the fight—a daunting task that they spent the rest of the night working on. Before any real progress could be made, Bumblebee and the others were called away to help Bulkhead, who had been dragged into an oil-stealing scheme by the Constructicons. Upon arriving at the [[Fossil Fuel]] oil refinery, Bumblebee fought against Scrapper, but was warned to watch his stingers so he wouldn't set fire to a nearby oil spill. Unfortunately, a collision between Scrapper and Mixmaster led to a spark setting fire to it anyway, so the Autobots were forced to transwarp an entire oil tank (with the Constructicons on it) out to Lake Erie, where it exploded. {{storylink|Three's a Crowd}}

[[Image:WhereIsThySting-hotdogbot.jpg|200px|left|thumb|Bumblebee attempts to kitbash himself.]]

Some time later, Bumblebee's old friend Wasp arrived on Earth, with a few screws loose and a vendetta against the 'bot who put him away. That night, Bumblebee was on monitor duty as the other Autobots were searching for Wasp, but spent his time playing ''[[Ninja Gladiator]]'' instead (after all, a TV is a monitor too!), which led to Wasp easily getting the drop on him. Bumblebee tried explaining how Longarm had set the whole thing up back in the day, but the deranged Wasp wouldn't listen, instead knocking Bumblebee out and saying it was ''his'' turn to lose everything he'd ever had. When Bumblebee woke up, he found himself equipped with Wasp's helmet, paintjob and voice synthesizer and all his friends staring down at him... including Wasp dressed up as himself. Unable to prove his own identity, Bumblebee was forced to escape from his own friends, only to be chased down by Elite Guard members [[Jetfire (Animated)|Jetfire]] and [[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]]. Luckily for the small 'bot, Jetstorm's wind blasts were too powerful for him, and he was blown away from danger. A desperate Bumblebee tried painting himself yellow with mustard from a hot dog stand, only to be confronted by Bulkhead and Prowl. Thinking of ideas to prove his innocence, Bumblebee reminded Bulkhead of their misadventures in boot camp—misadventures Wasp could never have known about. While his friends were finally convinced, the newly arrived Jetstorm and Jetfire were not, and a fight broke out until Optimus and Sentinel arrived and sorted it out. Returning to the Autobot base, they confronted Wasp, who had unfortunately spent the meantime researching Bumblebee's past and could easily list many of 'Bee's past adventures like he was there in person. With no way to prove who was the real deal, Bulkhead suggested that they simply play ''Ninja Gladiator'' for the title of Bumblebee... after all, the real one would ''never'' lose at ''Ninja Gladiator''. The plan worked, as Wasp cracked under the pressure before the match could even begin, grabbing Bumblebee and holding him at stinger-point. With the Autobots unable to attack, Wasp cancelled his and Bumblebee's [[electronic paint job]]s and made a getaway, leaving Bumblebee to be pummelled by a confused Bulkhead. {{storylink|Where Is Thy Sting?}}

Chasing Wasp across Detroit, the Autobots eventually cornered him, and Bumblebee again tried explaining the "funny story" on how Longarm was the true Decepticon spy who caused Wasp's misfortune. However, Wasp didn't see the funny part of it, and Bumblebee nearly got himself blasted in the face for trying. Before the group could capture Wasp, he was suddenly abducted by [[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]], so Optimus Prime and Bumblebee had to follow him to [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]]. Upon arrival, Prime suggested that Bumblebee stopped making excuses like blaming Longarm and tried ''apologizing'' to Wasp instead. Making their way into the tunnels of the island, the two soon found Wasp... mutated into a large, monstrous [[technorganic]] form by Blackarachnia. Face to face with the monster, Bumblebee followed Prime's advice and apologized for everything he did and didn't do to Wasp. His old nemesis responded that Wasp forgave him... but he was Wasp''inator'' now, and Waspinator would ''never'' forgive Bumblebee! However, before Waspinator could destroy Bumblebee once and for all, his new body started going out of control, and he went back to Blackarachnia. After being run down by both the spider and the wasp as the latter chased the former, Bumblebee helped carry the damaged Sentinel Prime out of the tunnels. {{storylink|Predacons Rising}}

[[Image:TFAni Human Error Part 1 Bumblebee vs Blitzwing.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Human Bumblebee is stronger than [[:Image:RollForIt FloppyDisk destruction.jpg|Chip Chase]].]]
Christmas eventually came around, and between shaking his presents and decorating the tree, Bumblebee didn't notice a [[Sound Wave]] toy poisoning the Autobots' [[oilnog]]. After having a taste, the 'bots all felt strangely tired and decided to take a stasis nap... only to wake up in human bodies. Bumblebee took it with a pinch of humour as he made fun of Bulkhead for being small, before the "Automen" headed out to see if Professor Sumdac could find out what was going on. However, during a brief break for food at [[Burger Bot]], the city came under attack from a large force of Decepticons. The Autobots chose to fight back despite their small fleshy bodies, but Bumblebee grabbing onto Starscream's leg had no real effect on the marauding Decepticon, and the heroes were quickly forced to run. Eventually arriving at Sumdac Tower, Bumblebee was shocked when Cybertron itself appeared in the sky and blasted part of the tower to smithereens, followed by the arrival of Megatron himself. However, by this stage, Optimus Prime and Prowl had figured out that none of this was actually happening—they were trapped in some kind of simulated reality. Realizing that they could break through the illusion with their imagination, the Autobots fought back and defeated the simulated Decepticons, with the tiny human Bumblebee easily punching out Blitzwing before transforming back into a robot. But before the Autobots could figure out how to escape from the virtual reality, they were subdued by a giant Soundwave—the one who had trapped them to begin with in order to brainwash them into becoming his mind slaves. {{storylink|Human Error, Part I}}

As Soundwave increased his control over the simulation, Bumblebee and the others were transformed back into humans. Deciding that they had to find Soundwave's interface to the world, they grabbed some vehicles matching their alternate modes, leading to Bumblebee pushing a virtual Captain Fanzone out of his own car. The Autobots took to chasing after a black Soundwave van, only to fall into a trap that let Soundwave brainwash them completely. As Sari and her "[[Substitute Autobot]]s" came to save the day, Soundwave used the Autobots' bodies to fight back, with Bumblebee and Prowl teaming up against Wreck-Gar. However, controlling five people at once proved too much for Soundwave, and as he lost focus, Bumblebee's mindless body found itself bound up in Christmas lights and defeated. Shortly afterward, Bumblebee's mind was returned to normal when Optimus Prime shattered Soundwave's body. {{storylink|Human Error, Part II}}

When the Autobots discovered Decepticon signals on the [[Moon (moon)|moon]], Bumblebee found himself an volunteering (read: ordered) to transwarp there and plant a transmitter. However, the transmitter was inadvertedly broken by [[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]] shortly after arrival, so Bumblebee changed his strategy into infiltrating Omega Supreme. Inside, he found [[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]] babbling on and on about school. Deeming it impossible to take her back to Earth, 'Bee chose to activate Arcee's transmitter before leaving, using her to spy on the Decepticons. {{storylink|Endgame, Part I}} When Megatron used the information inside Arcee to attack Detroit with a trio of "[[Lugnut Supreme]]s", Bumblebee went back to the moon alongside Bulkhead, Ratchet and Sari to attempt a retrieval of Omega Supreme. They quickly located Arcee again, only to be attacked by Shockwave. While Bumblebee's stingers had no effect on his old platoonmate, he was eventually defeated by Bulkhead's brawns. Shockwave transformed back to his Longarm mode in an attempt to trick his "old pals", but failed and was captured. Bumblebee was aboard Omega Supreme when he battled against the oversized Lugnuts-turned-oversized Starscreams, and following their victory, was told that Prowl had died during the battle. When the Autobots returned to Cybertron, he helped carry his friend's coffin. {{storylink|Endgame, Part II}}

===Toy bios===
At some point, Bumblebee began taking stealth lessons from Prowl, presenting him with a new battle tactic: sneaking up from behind instead of racing fender-first into danger. To further that end, Bumblebee apparently painted himself as a police patrol car. {{storylink|Bumblebee (Animated)#ActivPatrol|Patrol Bumblebee}}

After "getting up close to members of the AUTOBOT Elite Guard", Bumblebee decided more than ever that he wanted to join their ranks. He had Sari borrow some of her dad's auto-painting robots so that he could truly look the part of an Elite Guard team member. He also began doing combat training with Prowl, and may have gotten his energy stingers enhanced. {{storylink|Bumblebee (Animated)#EliteGuard|Elite Guard Bumblebee}}

{{note|Presumably Bumblebee's "getting up close to members of the AUTOBOT Elite Guard" refers to the events of the episodes [[The Elite Guard]], [[The Return of the Headmaster]] and [[Mission Accomplished]]. However, at the time of those episodes, Isaac Sumdac was missing and Sari no longer had access to Sumdac Systems technology, so, uh... just go with it. OR, possibly, by "borrow" they mean "steal the robots out from under Powell's greasy nose"}}

===Titan Magazines===
In battle with new villain [[Quake-Maker]], Bumblebee got to not only mock the villain but fight alongside the super-cool new Autobot [[Afterburn]]. {{storylink|Burnout}}

The two later went on a mission to Dinobot Island to stop a Rage virus infection, a mission that had Bumblebee nervous. During the mission, Bumblebee screwed up a landing that Afterburn aced, got thrown into a mud puddle by Swoop, was left with an incredibly dirty finish, and generally looked worse than Afterburn and on ''four separate occasions'' got put down by him. This made him sad. {{storylink|Ratchet & Grimlock Are DEAD?}}

When [[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]] was in a huff, it was Bumblebee who convinced him to help them against the [[Wraith-X]] by appealing to that greatest of emotions, the ego! He didn't have time to gloat though, as he then found Afterburn reporting back to ''Megatron'', who then stormed the base, {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 23|Divebomb}} killed Afterburn, and started a massive battle. Bumblebee was shocked to find Afterburn had only been a sparkless drone infiltrator, but still viewed him as a real Autobot, ''taking on Megatron himself'' out of anger for what had happened.

Optimus later consoled Bumblebee that he'd been a hero and that Afterburn hadn't been real anyway. But he'd been real to Bumblebee...{{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 24|Megatron's Revenge}}

[[Image:Bumblebeepizza_Titan25.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Why said cheese pizza has several toppings on it is a mystery.]]

But then he got over that and started breaking traffic laws for fun to get pizzas to Sari quickly! This led to Prowl dissing him and claiming Bumblebee wouldn't be so fast if he had to obey some rules, which led to a race between the two at [[Crazy Coyote Canyon]] (plus Bulkhead joined in, which gave Bumblebee a good laugh). Autobots doing ''anything'', of course, leads to Decepticon plots, and Bumblebee (who had a Decepticon tracer stuck on his butt) found they'd ambushed Prowl halfway through the race. Locating the tracer, he stuck it on ''Lugnut's'' butt and helped Prowl escape to win.

All that excitement had allowed Bulkhead to win the race unopposed though, making him the official fastest thing in Detroit. Bumblebee accepted it amiably enough. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 25|The Race}}
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==Toys==
===Animated===
====Activators====
*'''Bumblebee''' (Activator, 2008)
[[Image:Activators_Bumblebee_toy.jpg|thumb|300px|He's a Bumblevator - or is it Actibee?]]
: Part of the first wave of [[Activators]], this small version of Bumblebee [[autotransformation|automatically transforms]] from vehicle to robot mode via spring-loaded releases when you press his top-mounted police light. Interestingly enough, this toy is probably the closest to "proper" scale in robot mode when compared to the Deluxe Prowl and Ratchet, the Voyager Optimus, and Leader Bulkhead. Like the Deluxe class toy, Bumblebee was intended to be molded with a benign sideways smirk on his face, but at this small of scale the effect does not come off as intended, leaving Bumblebee looking rather more like he's grimacing. Furthermore, his insignia is ''also'' grimacing; for some reason this toy was given the [[Insignia#2007_movie|movie Autobot "angry eyes" insignia]], rather than the standard "neutral expression" insignia found on most other ''Animated'' Autobots. Add him to the list of Transformers who just need a hug.

:This mold was later [[Retool|retooled]] to make [[Cliffjumper (Animated)|Cliffjumper]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/ActBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Bumblebee at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:Activators_PatrolBumblebee_toy.JPG|thumb|250px|[[Barricade (Movie)|Bumblecade]]]]
*'''Patrol Bumblebee''' (Activator, 2008)

: A police-themed redeco of Activators Bumblebee, instead of his current "undercover" markings, he gets full-on black-and-white deco with "POLICE" lettering across his doors.
He has the normal yellow helmet,however.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/PatrolBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Patrol Bumblebee at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:Animated-toy_BattlefieldBumblebee.jpg|thumb|250px|]]
*'''Battlefield Bumblebee''' (2009?)

: A redeco of Activators Bumblebee with silver detailing similar to [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Classics|''Classics'' Bumblebee]]'s white stripes and an oddly large Autobot insignia.

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====Deluxe====
[[Image:Bumblebee_anim_toy.jpg|thumb|300px|Awwww, it's so adorable...]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Left & right rocket boosters

: Bumblebee transforms from a small yellow hatchback with a single red flasher to a scrappy robot with a smirk on his face. He has a fake car roof on his chest (but to be fair, so does his cartoon counterpart.) in robot mode, and the two halves of his stinger weapon, stored in his forearms, can be flipped out and pegged together. In both robot and car mode, his two booster rockets can be attached on his back. Unlike the promotional image, the rockets of the actual toy do not have any red paint.

: Due to support struts added inside his forearms to ensure durability, his stingers do not recede all the way back into his arms. The latest releases of the toy fix this problem. There have also been some complaints that the socket in his left arm tends to crack easily, which makes the arm impossible to pose.

: Amusingly, flipping his bumper up in his alt-mode works like a tiny trunk.

: This mold was also used to make [[#EliteGuard|"Elite Guard" Bumblebee]] and will be used to make [[Wasp|Fugitive Waspinator]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/Bumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Deluxe Bumblebee at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:Ani-toy BumblebeeEG.jpg|thumb|300px|Back from his internship with Donald Trump. Sentinel Prime, YOU'RE FIRED!]]
*'''Elite Guard Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Left & right rocket boosters

: A [[redeco]] of [[#Deluxe|Deluxe Bumblebee]], this figure represents Bumblebee after getting Sari to help paint him up in [[Cybertron Elite Guard|Elite Guard]] deco as part of his anticipated ascension into their ranks. Dare to dream! He retains all the play-gimmicks of the original, though his arms have been slightly [[retool]]ed to allow the stingers to recede fully. The color scheme of the toy bears a little resemblance to [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Deluxe Class toys|Stealth Bumblebee]] from the [[Movie (franchise)|live-action movie]] franchise.

: The [[Hasbro]] stock photography and [[package art]] for this toy [[:Image:Deluxeeliteguardbumblebee.jpg|depict "Elite Guard" Bumblebee with his normal yellow helmet]]. However, the actual toy has a black helmet due to the plastic color layouts.

: This toy was [[repurposing|repurposed]] as a [[Wireless Automated Sales Person]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/EGBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Elite Guard Bumblebee at TFU.info]''
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====Voyager====
[[Image:Ani-toy_HydrodiveBumblebee.jpg|thumb|250px|Oh slag. Where did my police light go?]]
*'''Hydrodrive Bumblebee''' (Voyager, 2010)
:A new sculpted and downscaled figure of Bumblebee in much the same style as [[Prowl (Animated)#Toys|Samurai Prowl]]. He comes with a jet/submarine that can be configured into some sort of battle armour/jet-pack. He can be placed in it in both robot and alt mode. Rather atypically for an ''Animated'' Autobot, he appears to come with a pair of guns (in lieu of his usual [[stinger]]s). These pistols can be hand-held or mounted on his armour.
On the wings he seems to have his turbo boosters except redecoed black and with little parts on the back.

{{comingsoontoy}}
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====Other====
*'''Bumper Battlers Bumblebee''' (Bumper Battlers, 2008)
[[Image:BumperBattlers_Bumblebee_toy.jpg|thumb|200px|Does this make him [[Bumper (G1)|Animated Bumper]]?]]
: Part of the first wave of [[Bumper Battlers]], this very simple version of Bumblebee is meant for the much younger set. About the same size as the Deluxe Bumblebee in car mode, pressing the Autobot [[insignia|faction symbol]] on his hood activates the toy's sound feature, using a seemingly randomized assortment of sound effects and original voice samples from [[Bumper Robinson]]. Pressing the car mode's front bumper in activates the simple spring-loaded one-step transformation to robot mode... "properly" activated by using the toy's [[pull-back motor]] [[gimmick]] to propel it forward into an obstacle.

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*'''Bumblebee''' (McDonalds Happy Meal toy, 2008)
[[Image:Bumblebrick.png|thumb|180px|Bumblebrick.]]
: A simple version of Bumblebee with a very simple transformation sequence, one of six toys available as part of the McDonald's ''Transformers Animated'' promotion (held concurrently with the ''Littlest Pet Shop'' promo). You transform him by pulling out the arms from the sides, pulling down the legs and rotating them around and flipping up the head. The arms hold the legs in place, and need to be pulled out before his legs. His vehicle mode is accurate to the show, and his robot mode is reasonably accurate, although rather on the "bulky" side.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/McBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Bumblebee at TFU.info]''

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*'''Sting Racer Bumblebee''' (Bumper Battlers, 2008)
[[Image:Ani-toy_BumperBattlers_StingBumblebee.JPG|thumb|200px|]]
: This Bumper Battlers Bumblebee has a blue stripe in place of the black one, and blue electrical marks on his sides.

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[[Image:Ani-toy_LegendsBumblebee.jpg|thumb|200px|]]
*'''Stealth Lockdown''' (Animated 3-pack, 2008)

: A ''Universe'' [[Legends Class|Legends-class]] Bumblebee came packaged with this Target-[[exclusive]] clear version of [[Lockdown (Animated)#Stealth|Lockdown]], as well as a Legends [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]]. This Bumblebee is ''almost'' identical to the individual ''Universe'' release, except this version has silver painted windows as well as a silver [[Autobot]] [[insignia|faction symbol]] rather than the ''Universe'' release's red.

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*'''Cyber Speed Bumblebee''' ([[Power Bots]], 2008)
[[Image:CyberSpeedBumblebee_toy.JPG|thumb|120px|]]
: A large, non-transforming figure of Bumblebee in bulky, child-friendly form. He comes with lights and sounds, including a stinger sound on the right arm, which has the stinger deployed, and a "punching" sound and extending fist on the left. He also speaks a slew of phrases, including "Bring it on, Decepticons!" and "Hi, I'm Bumblebee!", again using Bumper Robinson voice clips. He is, of course, utterly adorable.

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*'''Street Patrol Bumblebee''' (Power Bots, 2009)
[[Image:Ani-toy_StreetPatrolBumblebee.JPG|thumb|120px|Anyone seen my transformation cog?]]
: This Bumblebee has red stripes on his stinger arm and his stripe is dark blue.

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*'''Shockwave VS Bumblebee''' (multipack, 2009)
[[Image:Shockwavepurplebumblebeetoys.jpg|thumb|200px|Hey, they said I was supposed to meet Longarm here. Who are you?]]
: Activators Bumblebee packaged with a purple redeco of Voyager [[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]] in a Target-exclusive multipack.

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===Transformers (2007 movie line)===
*'''Legacy of Bumblebee''' (Deluxe class multi-pack, 2008)

: A Walmart [[exclusive]] three pack, the ''Legacy of Bumblebee'' collector's set comes with [[Bumblebee (G1)|''Classics'']], [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Movie]] Deluxe Class Concept Camaro ([[Premium Series]]) and ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]'' Bumblebee figures. While the movie and ''Animated'' Bumblebees are identical to their original, single carded releases, the ''Classics'' Bumblebee has been redecoed to more closely resemble his movie and ''Animated'' counterparts, changing his white stripes to black, and his grey/silver plastic to yellow, similarly to ''Henkei! Henkei!'' Bumble.

===Universe (2008)===
*'''Bumblebee''' (Legends, 2008)
[[Image:Legends_bb_sized.jpg|thumb|125px|Is that size-accurate enough?]]
: A smaller, simplified [[Legends Class|Legends]]-scale Bumblebee toy, released under the ''Universe'' toyline.

: A slightly different version of this toy can also be found as part of the ''Animated'' [[Lockdown (Animated)|Stealth Lockdown]] three-pack with Legends [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]], and as part of a ''Universe'' three-pack with Legends Optimus Prime and Legends [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/AniLegendsBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Bumblebee at TFU.info]''
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==Notes==
[[Image:Bumblebeeanimatedkibble.jpg|thumb|150px|My real windshield is on my heels!]]
* Bumblebee's arm-mounted shock stingers are very likely inspired by an early weapon concept from the 2007 movie [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]].

* The character who would become Bumblebee was originally conceived as [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]], but changed to Bumblebee at the insistence of incoming supervising director [[Matt Youngberg]] and art director [[Derrick J. Wyatt]]<ref>[https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21975298&postID=1516366009698858110&isPopup=true]</ref>. This explains why his character is more like Hot Shot and less like... well, Bumblebee. He also arguably shares personality traits with other, similarly brash "ADHD" characters such as [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]. Cut from the same cloth, at any rate.

* Bumblebee appears to have a fake car roof on his chest in both his toy and on his [[character model]]. Not only does Bumblebee transform like his toy in his drawn-out animated transformation sequences, with his legs forming the top of the vehicle and the rest forming the underside, but his "real" windshield is drawn on the back of his legs, just like the toy. Plus the headlights on Bumblebee's feet are upside-down, just like the toy's. However, Bumblebee's vehicle mode stripe doesn't change sides like on the toy. Cheatsy!

* In addition to the above, in "[[The Thrill of the Hunt]]," Bumblebee reaches under his '''fake''' car roof kibble to get out his air freshener and fuzzy dice. This would mean that he had kept them in his back seat or trunk. Interestingly enough, on the Deluxe toy, you can actually store small items in his chest thanks to his opening 'trunk'.

* He likes to swear a lot. [[Slag (slang)|Slag yeah!]]

[[Image:TFA_Bumblebee_Elite_Guard_promoimage.JPG|thumb|150px|[[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] was so horrified his scream blew out [[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]]'s audio sensors...and Jazz was in another building at the time.]]
* He apparently got his name for being a bumbler in [[Autobot boot camp]]. {{storylink|Autoboot Camp}}

* On the Transformers Animated Season One DVD set, the "Season Two Sneak Peek" special feature shows Bumblebee's character model colored in the Elite Guard Bumblebee toy's deco. Bumblebee did not actually ''use'' that color scheme in Season 2, so its inclusion in a Season Two gallery is puzzling at best...

* With the airing of the episodes "Human Error" Parts 1 and 2, an interesting and probably unintentional question has been brought up. Bumblebee's human form is obviously much younger than the others, even Prowl and Bulkhead, putting him somewhere around pre-teen to early teen years. Everything else about the humans reflect their bot conterparts spot on, down to a scar on Ratchet's face to represent his broken chevron. So, seeing as human Bee is obviously so young, does that make him a child soldier?

* Bumblebee's original [[body-type]] is apparently quite common on Cybertron—he shares it with [[Cliffjumper (Animated)|Cliffjumper]], [[Wasp]], [[Tap-Out (Animated)|Tap-Out]], [[Freeway (Animated)|Freeway]], [[Searchlight (Animated)|Searchlight]], [[Hubcap (Animated)|Hubcap]], [[Sedan (Animated)|Sedan]], [[Carrera (Animated)|Carrera]], [[Furao]], [[Bumper (Animated)|Bumper]] and [[Glyph (Animated)|Glyph]].

==References==
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==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/Bumblebee/bumblebee.htm Bumblebee at TFU.info]
* [http://www.hasbro.com/common/images/news/transformers//Transformers_Draw_Bumblebee.pdf Hasbro.com - How to Draw: Animated Bumblebee]

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