Talk:Sentinel Prime (ROTF)

2011-07-16T15:15:20Z

86.31.67.9: /* Spoilers on Sentinel. */

Do you have a quote of Sentinel being specifically mentioned in the comic? I don't remember anything past the uni scene. While the original thirteen were killed by the Fallen in the comic and novel, there's nothing to confirm Sentinel wasn't a descendant like Optimus. Again, correct me if I'm wrong[[User:Eire]] 20.14 Oct 12 09 (UTC)
:"See, if you break down the elemental components of energon and assume a constant decay rate then extrapolate for each of the fourteen galactic convergences it took '''''Sentinel Prime's''''' expedition to get an echo you end up with a formula for inter-dimensional energy that mass and light alone can't '''''possibly''''' explain." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:28, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
::Erm ok, thanks for the quote Starfield, anyway, Jetfire explained in the adaptations that The Fallen returned to Cybertron, after the battle with the first generation for Earth, slaughtering all the Primes except for the child hidden from him (Optimus). Unless Sentinel is revealed to be alive in TF3, which is unlikely considering this was not mentioned in the final edit of ROTF, then he probably died because of The Fallen. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 17:57, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Starfield, I actually wanted the answer Alientraveller gave. I'm well aware of Sentinel's existence in the movieverse, but I just couldn't remember a reference in issue 3 [[User:Eire]]

::"the fourteen galactic convergences it took '''the''' Sentinel Prime expedition to"
::"The", and no possessive.
::Look, '''I''' think it's the leader of the 7/12/13 too... but the phrasing in the movie itself (which I just checked on, er... Youtube) '''isn't''' clear-cut enough to even say for certain that Sentinel Prime is an individual-- let alone that he's one of the 12! The phrasing is just... ambiguous, and the timeline is a godawful mess thanks to ROTF's 17,000 years retcon, and questions of whether the 13 in the movie are '''the''' 13 or not. (They're not. I mean... the movie fucking cut them down to 7. But until something official comes through to make it certain... it's just a collosal brain-ache that makes logical inference almost impossible.)
::Now... I ''thought'' that something... (a book or video game?) mentioned movieverse Sentinel Prime in a clearer light, but if so... it was around the time we were swamped with new stuff, and the ref never got documented. Does this sound familiar to anyone else?
::I have checked the following sources, and they do '''not''' mention Sentinel Prime in a helpful manner:
::*ROTF novelization (quote same as movie, with an added bit at the end. Nothing from Jetfire's history lesson or the Infinite White.)
::*The Movie Universe guidebook. No mention of Sentinel Prime by name
::-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:59, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
:::The first time I heard Sentinel mentioned was in the movie. And the Sentinel Prime expedition. You'd be forgiven for presuming, and really there's no reason not too, it was named after the Prime in charge. And given the massively different origin of the Primes in the movie compared to the adaptations, it seems again logical that he's simple a predecessor of Optimus, not one of the original Primes. There is some assumptions being made, however they are logical assumptions. IF you're concerned, throw in a note at the bottom. Personally, I think it's a bit of an assumption that Sentinel in the comics is one of the original Primes, but I can see why AT put it the way he did [[User:Eire]] 13.35 Oct 13 09 (UTC)

== Fannon ==

I'm '''really''' uncomfortable witht he ammoutn of assumptions and made-up shit on this page. The cited blog post ''does'' establish Sentinel Prime to be a character-- but it doesn't ''in any way'' say he's Prime and Megatron's father, or that he's one of the original 12. And the storylink citing his death... Sentinel Prime's name isn't even MENTIONED in that issue! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:37, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
:I'm just going to risk my life here and say "Is this Shattered Glass Derik speaking?" --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:51, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

== Move to (DOTM)? ==

Should we move this to "Sentinel Prime (DOTM)"? We moved "Soundwave (Movie)" to [[Soundwave (ROTF)]], ignoring when he was mentioned by Starscream in the UK magazine for the first film. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 15:03, 11 February 2011 (EST)
:An offhand mention in the freaking UK mag letters page is not exactly the same thing as Sentinel's existence being firmly established in the Revenge of the Fallen film. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:18, 11 February 2011 (EST)
::The Lord Of All Cheeses thirds the motion.
::- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 10:25 PM, 15 February 2011 A.D.
:::Thirds what motion? We have one person on each side so far. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 01:42, 16 February 2011 (EST)
::::I'm saying this page ought to be moved. '''Alientraveler''' proposed the idea. '''Detour''' seems to be saying this guy shouldn't be in ROTF (unless I misinterpreted; he seems to say "a mention in a UK comic's letters page doesn't count as Sentinel's existence in ROTF"). '''My vote''' makes a three.
::::- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 9:48 PM, February 2011 A.D.
:::::Detour is pointing out that Sentinel Prime is mentioned in the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' film, which counts as establishing SP's existence, so ROTF is correct. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:59, 17 February 2011 (EST)
::::::http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/Semysane/Response%20Images/748411.gif -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:59, 18 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::Sam mentions Sentinel Prime during his meltdown in the classroom in ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', thus establishing Sentinel Prime exists as a character. As the first mention of Sentinel Prime is in ''Revenge of the Fallen'', his article is as "Sentinel Prime (ROTF)". Clearer? :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:13, 18 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::Oh, I got it. I just never get enough chances to use that image. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:33, 18 February 2011 (EST)
:I get that it's established wiki policy to always go with the earliest whatever, but it's very confusing to all but the most hardcore and observant RotF viewers and wiki editors (sorry for the redundancy there). In DotM he was the major plot-driving character voiced by an actor with decades of Transformers association; in RotF he was about a syllable and a half of incoherent mumbling. Unlike Arcee in the first movie franchise, S.P. didn't even get a toy in RotF. For the sake of clarity and the casual browser, might his entry be attached to the film in which he actually appears? Is there perhaps a more general title, even, to indicate immediately that this article fully encompasses the one singular character throughout the Bay films' continuity family? [[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 23:02, 10 July 2011 (EDT)
::I think a simple redirect solves all problems. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:02, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

== Sentinel~Vector? ==

Is it my imagination, or does Sentinel Prime bear a striking resemblence to Vector Prime?--[[User:Cydra|Cydra]] 01:48, 13 February 2011 (EST)
:Definitely your imagination. [[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 05:49, 18 February 2011 (EST)
::I see the resemblance mostly in those enormous shoulders. Beyond that, not really much of a resemblance. --[[User:Kaymac192|Kaymac192]] 11:35, 3 March 2011 (EST)
::: Indeed. He more resembles RID Prime. [[Special:Contributions/96.247.85.33|96.247.85.33]] 00:16, 22 March 2011 (EDT)

== Sentinel Prime in Empire magazine. ==

How should we mention [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/375241-sentinel-optimus-uk-empire-cover.html these images?] --[[User:Kaymac192|Kaymac192]] 11:42, 3 March 2011 (EST)

== Caption ==

Live-action Hyper Goldfish? WTF is that?--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 13:51, 6 March 2011 (EST)
:The Japanese version of Optimus Prime (RID) had a voice chip that sounded to some people as if it were saying "Hyper Goldfish Golfball". The Leader class Sentinel Prime looks something like the RID Prime, and is from a live action movie. Thus, Live-action Hyper Goldfish. I would recommend a crosslink in the caption, but some people hate those with an unreasoning passion. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:00, 6 March 2011 (EST)
::Much thanks for the clarification. The RiD Optimus Prime page doesn't even mention the background you so helpfully supply. Is there some sort of award for most obscure caption reference on the site? [[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 23:08, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

== Alpha Trion caption ==

How does it not work anymore?--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 13:15, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
:Personally, I don't see why it ever worked in the first place. --[[Special:Contributions/81.164.209.246|81.164.209.246]] 13:24, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
::It never did, no. It was never an Alpha Trion homage redeco. It was just heavily-airbrushed enough to look purpleish. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:25, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
:::I think that was the joke (such as it was) that there's "already" an Alpha Trion redeco due to the purple nature of the image, which, at the time, was the only stock photo of that toy. Anyway, I replaced the photo because the colours were pretty damn wrong. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:35, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== Two different Speed Stars Bumbebee two packs ==

Hey, why are there two slightly different Bumblebee Speed Stars two packs. [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/shop/details.cfm?R=69D4438D-5056-900B-1000-7E6F6EA5EAE9:en_US Item 29596] and [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/shop/details.cfm?R=6EDC5079-5056-900B-10F1-6428DAB7F112:en_US item 29588]? The package art is even slightly different. Both should be listed, right? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:41, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== Three sayings on the Leader toy? ==

Er... there must be something I'm doing wrong, then.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:05, 18 May 2011 (EDT)
:You have to put a MechTach weapon in his shoulder peg hole to hear them.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 16:12, 19 May 2011 (EDT)
::Just tried it out and it's apparently true. Still, I'm pretty sure the article should mention that little feature and how to ''enable'' it... [[Special:Contributions/58.69.69.194|58.69.69.194]] 21:43, 21 May 2011 (EDT)

== Minor design flaw? ==

On mine, it looks like the left heel pieces don't seem to line up correctly, and as such don't snap together right. Is anyone else having this issue? -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 11:07, 23 May 2011 (EDT)

== We need to make this a featured. ==

Any way we could come together and finish his fiction sections and whatnot? I think it's important this page is our featured this coming month, like The Fallen was for the last movie. I'm pretty okay with just promoting it anyway once July starts, even if there's some stuff left out. It just needs a spotlight. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:05, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

== Spoilers on Sentinel. ==

Okay, I haven't seen the movie yet, but I have seen spoilers, and there is one question I have that could seriously spoil for anyone, so be warned: Should we consider Sentinel a Decepticon? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 15:58, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
: No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:01, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
::My memory may be fuzzy, but doesn't he call himself a Decepticon once they take over Chicago? Or does he keep calling himself an Autobot?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 17:13, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
:::Sentinel makes a point of slapping Megatron around when he tries talking like they're all a happy family, so...no.[[User:ShinRa Actual|ShinRa Actual]] 18:05, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
::::I've noticed this news actually spread on this site already (Shockwave's page pretty much blows it). Should we remove instances that we see so not to spoil the film just yet [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 10:11, 1 July 2011 (EDT)
Sentinel Prime wouldn't be the first Autobot to make a deal with the devil. {{unsigned|Dragonspike74}}

Definitely not. It might just be the way I interpreted his lines and mood but he seemed almost disgusted that he felt he had to make a deal with the Decepticons to save Cybertron. I certainly don't think he sees himself as one of them at all. Just an Autobot traitor. [[Special:Contributions/86.31.67.9|86.31.67.9]] 11:15, 16 July 2011 (EDT)

== Caption request ==

When we start adding screenshots from the movie, can one of them use "This is the one where Spock goes crazy."?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 13:14, 1 July 2011 (EDT)
:"Goes nuts." And once the movie's been seen by more people, maybe in a week or two, that quote is TOTALLY going up at the top of the DOTM film article, same place as last movie's "I will have my revenge!" It sums up the movie pretty much the best. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:17, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

== Jerk ==

Could we mention (perhaps in a caption) that as a turncoat, this actully makes him a bigger jerk than his Animated counterpart, which I thought was impossible.[[User:Burnout|Burnout]] 17:39, 2 July 2011 (EDT)
:That joke was tired two years ago.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:08, 4 July 2011 (EDT)
Hey, I thought he was BIG jerk too.(Never seen the movie though.)
Maybe Sentinel(TFA) wanted to get revenge on Optimus(TFA).
So, he decided to get a role on Dark of the Moon.
His audition was successful. All he needed to do was change his alternate mode to make sure nobody knew it was him.
When the moment was right he could get revenge on Optimus(For stealing his fifteen stellar cycles of fame).
However,on set he was killed. And it was caught on film!
Let's just say there is more than meets the eye with Sentinel.

== Back Kibble ==
What exactly are those things? I swear in parts of the movie, they wiggled as if some kind of flexible cape or tank-treads.. what part of the vehicle do they correspond to?
:On the Leader Class toy, the kibble hanging off his back in robot mode (which, I agree, looks like a cape of some kind) becomes the side panels of his vehicle mode. [[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 22:42, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

I've plugged in a mechtech weapon on the back Sentinel's head. He looks a little funny with Barricade's weapon sticking up. {{unsigned|Dragonspike74}}

== About the Genesis Caption... ==

I don't get it...can anyone explain?[[User:Kaine852|Kaine852]] 00:29, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
:It's a line from Mr. Spock in Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan. Spock was played by Leonard Nimoy, who voiced Sentinel Prime. I'm more curious about why it's used on two different images. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:44, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

== 316 meaning? ==
Is there a particular meaning or significance to the number 316 on SP's vehicle mode? Seems lately like anything of that sort on a TF is an in-joke or reference (Wal-Mart "84" DotM Bumblebee, anyone?). I'm in the dark on this one, though. -- [[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 23:46, 10 July 2011 (EDT)
:[[wikipedia: John 3:16]] Stone Cold used to reference it back in the 90s, etc. [[User:ShinRa Actual|ShinRa Actual]] 20:06, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
::While that is a meaning for 316, I'm not sure if it is relevant here. Do you really think that the person who designed Sentinel Prime's deco was thinking of that when the number was selected? He or she could have meant it that way, but I'd like official confirmation.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:13, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
::You're right; John 3:16 may be the most widely known association for the number, but it doesn't seem to fit here. It's not a biblical verse that's particularly relevant to the story of this Sentinel Prime... If they were going for biblical references I'd expect something about a deal with the devil or about the ends justifying the means, something related to the DotM plot. Unless it's known that the designer(s) for SP is/are devout Christians/big pro wrestling fans? A Steve Austin joke is fine for a caption, but as yet the connection seems a bit tenuous for the wiki proper. -- [[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 15:39, 14 July 2011 (EDT)
:::The Hasbro designers probably didn't known the film's twist so they innocently played up the Optimus/Jesus analogy with Sentinel as The Father, unaware he was just another Evil Mentor-type. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 15:42, 14 July 2011 (EDT)
::::Aren't the same numbers on his vehicle mode in the movie? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:52, 14 July 2011 (EDT)
:::::[http://brusimm.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Transformers-3-Sentinal-Prime-alternate-vehicle-mode-on-set.jpg Why, yes they are]. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 15:54, 14 July 2011 (EDT)
:Maybe it means he scanned № 316 fire truck. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:58, 14 July 2011 (EDT)
:316 is the area code for Wichita, Kansas, if that means anything. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 19:45, 14 July 2011 (EDT)

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