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Talk:Blackout (Movie)

2008-02-23T20:59:37Z

88.108.70.244: /* New image */

==Hard points==
Should it be mentioned in the article that the two hard points on the Voyager-class figure's shoulders are perfectly suited to plugging a Mini-con onto? I noticed this when I first purchased the figure, then tried it out when I got a chance; the pegs are almost identical to the ones on Armada and Energon figures.
[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 06:29, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:Note it in the Voyager class toy's writeup. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:09, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:Italicized trivia at the end of the toy writeup. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:34, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:: I don't think its particularly significant, given that several non UT-era toys have that sort of 5mm peg with a hole in the middle. Even G1 Ultra Magnus has one. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::: I think mentioning as part of the toy's description that it has two Powerlinx pegs on its shoulders/helicopterpartthingy isn't intrusive, and is actually a good thing to know! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:36, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:::: Something that EXPANDS the toy's playability? HELL YES it should be mentioned! --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:25, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::::: Well the toy IS pretty unplayable in its present form, so it needs all the help it can get. I'll have to reword the blurb, because it suggests somebody at Haskara might have intended them to be Mini-Con ports, when they are not. Merely a coincidence. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::aaaaand i'll just remove what I just said - forgot about this giant weapon, there. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

== Blackout on mars ==

In the movie, [[Tom Banachek]] clearly state that the robot destroying the Bealgle 2 Rover has been identified as the one that attacked the base in Irak. Shouldn't that be mentioned?--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 17:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:Definitely. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 17:33, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:I... don't think it's clearly stated. They say they have similar exoskeletal thingermajig. They could simply be saying he's the same species. We should be careful. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:02, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah it was not clearly stated as such. What he told Keller was that they believe it the two things in the photos (Mars McRandomdude and Blackout) have a similar exoskeletal structure, not 'the thing that attacked the base destroyed this probe a couple of years ago!' --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:27, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::Well seeing that the transformers can also been ditingued by they personnal exoskeleton, we could mention it with a "Presumed", or a "it could be", even in the trivia, no?--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 18:36, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:::There's no evidence, so we can't suggest it in trivia, in my opinion. They do that far too often on the regular Wikipedia. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::It seemed pretty obvious to me that it was supposed to be the same guy. I assumed the "similar" part was just because now the guy turns into a helicopter and looks slightly different now-- not that it was a different guy. I mean, their silhouettes were basically the same. Regardless, if it's really a contended point, do we have any secondary material that addresses this at all? --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:50, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::I assumed the 'similar' bit meant 'we think it's the same species.' -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:::It seemed to me that Banachek was saying it's the same robot. However, it is at best implied, and the idea of that being Blackout contradicts, IMO, Bumblebee's designation as N.B.E.-2. I was under the impression that Bumblebee was supposed to be the Mars robot, and thus was surprised by the (to me) implied "it was Blackout". --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::::Well, no, we know the rover-smasher was definitely either Starscream, Blackout or Barricade - we see it ''happen'' on the second-to-last page of the IDW prequel. We just don't see which one of them delivers the blow. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

==New image==
[[Image:Movie_Blackout_promorender2.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]

Opinions on using this image as the new main pic? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:51, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Personally, what I would like to see this Wiki do is put a section at the bottom of each page of the movie transformers that contains all other images of that character, including extra CGI renders. --Guest 20.55 23February 2008

==Automorph==
I put info on how to best automorph the voyager class figure. Hope it helps. --[[User:Paradox244|Paradox244]] 00:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

==Cyber Slammer==
I think the Cyber Slammers blackout thing is just an error on Hasbro's website's part, the page was up for a day with no pics or text, and I don't recall the toy being announced anywhere else. I'm removing it from the page 'til there's prooof it's gog to be made. --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] 03:57, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

==Alt-mode Origin Contradiction==
It just occurred to me that there may not necessarily be a contradiction between Blackout getting his alt-form 3 years before the movie in the "Prime Directives," prequel comic, and the mention of how his serial number namesake got shot down in Afghanistan 3 months prior to the movie. He mentions in the comic that there "were no witnesses," in contrast to Blackout and Starscream. If this is true, then it's entirely possible that he scanned the vehicle without any humans noticing, and then both he and the helicopter he scanned went on their separate paths; Blackout doing the stuff he did in Prime Directives and the helicopter getting shot down in Afghanistan three months before the movie. --[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 08:29, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

==EMP??==
Why is Blackout's initial attack called an EMP wave? If it was, every electrical circuit on the base should be rendered dead. This was clearly not the case since the computers were still on. It looks like just some kind of plain old shockwave to me. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 06:39, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

==Sabot at the base?==
Can we confirm it was a sabot round? I mean, for one, they didn't pull that trump card until later in the film. Two, Blackout didn't "react" the way every other Transformer (including himself) did when hit with Sabot: Namely, in pain. At the base, he merely "flinched".
tl;dr I think it was a simple grenade launcher. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 06:28, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
:You're right, it was just a grenade round. On the DVD there appears to be, as the soldiers later relate, some kind of force field holding back the energy of the grenade. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:17, 16 November 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Blackout (Movie)

2008-02-23T20:58:53Z

88.108.70.244: /* Automorph */

==Hard points==
Should it be mentioned in the article that the two hard points on the Voyager-class figure's shoulders are perfectly suited to plugging a Mini-con onto? I noticed this when I first purchased the figure, then tried it out when I got a chance; the pegs are almost identical to the ones on Armada and Energon figures.
[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 06:29, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:Note it in the Voyager class toy's writeup. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:09, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:Italicized trivia at the end of the toy writeup. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:34, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:: I don't think its particularly significant, given that several non UT-era toys have that sort of 5mm peg with a hole in the middle. Even G1 Ultra Magnus has one. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::: I think mentioning as part of the toy's description that it has two Powerlinx pegs on its shoulders/helicopterpartthingy isn't intrusive, and is actually a good thing to know! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:36, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:::: Something that EXPANDS the toy's playability? HELL YES it should be mentioned! --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:25, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::::: Well the toy IS pretty unplayable in its present form, so it needs all the help it can get. I'll have to reword the blurb, because it suggests somebody at Haskara might have intended them to be Mini-Con ports, when they are not. Merely a coincidence. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::aaaaand i'll just remove what I just said - forgot about this giant weapon, there. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

== Blackout on mars ==

In the movie, [[Tom Banachek]] clearly state that the robot destroying the Bealgle 2 Rover has been identified as the one that attacked the base in Irak. Shouldn't that be mentioned?--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 17:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:Definitely. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 17:33, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:I... don't think it's clearly stated. They say they have similar exoskeletal thingermajig. They could simply be saying he's the same species. We should be careful. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:02, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah it was not clearly stated as such. What he told Keller was that they believe it the two things in the photos (Mars McRandomdude and Blackout) have a similar exoskeletal structure, not 'the thing that attacked the base destroyed this probe a couple of years ago!' --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:27, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::Well seeing that the transformers can also been ditingued by they personnal exoskeleton, we could mention it with a "Presumed", or a "it could be", even in the trivia, no?--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 18:36, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:::There's no evidence, so we can't suggest it in trivia, in my opinion. They do that far too often on the regular Wikipedia. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::It seemed pretty obvious to me that it was supposed to be the same guy. I assumed the "similar" part was just because now the guy turns into a helicopter and looks slightly different now-- not that it was a different guy. I mean, their silhouettes were basically the same. Regardless, if it's really a contended point, do we have any secondary material that addresses this at all? --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:50, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::I assumed the 'similar' bit meant 'we think it's the same species.' -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:::It seemed to me that Banachek was saying it's the same robot. However, it is at best implied, and the idea of that being Blackout contradicts, IMO, Bumblebee's designation as N.B.E.-2. I was under the impression that Bumblebee was supposed to be the Mars robot, and thus was surprised by the (to me) implied "it was Blackout". --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::::Well, no, we know the rover-smasher was definitely either Starscream, Blackout or Barricade - we see it ''happen'' on the second-to-last page of the IDW prequel. We just don't see which one of them delivers the blow. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

==New image==
[[Image:Movie_Blackout_promorender2.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]

Opinions on using this image as the new main pic? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:51, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

==Automorph==
I put info on how to best automorph the voyager class figure. Hope it helps. --[[User:Paradox244|Paradox244]] 00:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

==Cyber Slammer==
I think the Cyber Slammers blackout thing is just an error on Hasbro's website's part, the page was up for a day with no pics or text, and I don't recall the toy being announced anywhere else. I'm removing it from the page 'til there's prooof it's gog to be made. --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] 03:57, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

==Alt-mode Origin Contradiction==
It just occurred to me that there may not necessarily be a contradiction between Blackout getting his alt-form 3 years before the movie in the "Prime Directives," prequel comic, and the mention of how his serial number namesake got shot down in Afghanistan 3 months prior to the movie. He mentions in the comic that there "were no witnesses," in contrast to Blackout and Starscream. If this is true, then it's entirely possible that he scanned the vehicle without any humans noticing, and then both he and the helicopter he scanned went on their separate paths; Blackout doing the stuff he did in Prime Directives and the helicopter getting shot down in Afghanistan three months before the movie. --[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 08:29, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

==EMP??==
Why is Blackout's initial attack called an EMP wave? If it was, every electrical circuit on the base should be rendered dead. This was clearly not the case since the computers were still on. It looks like just some kind of plain old shockwave to me. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 06:39, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

==Sabot at the base?==
Can we confirm it was a sabot round? I mean, for one, they didn't pull that trump card until later in the film. Two, Blackout didn't "react" the way every other Transformer (including himself) did when hit with Sabot: Namely, in pain. At the base, he merely "flinched".
tl;dr I think it was a simple grenade launcher. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 06:28, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
:You're right, it was just a grenade round. On the DVD there appears to be, as the soldiers later relate, some kind of force field holding back the energy of the grenade. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:17, 16 November 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Blackout (Movie)

2008-02-23T20:58:27Z

88.108.70.244: /* Automorph */

==Hard points==
Should it be mentioned in the article that the two hard points on the Voyager-class figure's shoulders are perfectly suited to plugging a Mini-con onto? I noticed this when I first purchased the figure, then tried it out when I got a chance; the pegs are almost identical to the ones on Armada and Energon figures.
[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 06:29, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:Note it in the Voyager class toy's writeup. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:09, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:Italicized trivia at the end of the toy writeup. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:34, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:: I don't think its particularly significant, given that several non UT-era toys have that sort of 5mm peg with a hole in the middle. Even G1 Ultra Magnus has one. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::: I think mentioning as part of the toy's description that it has two Powerlinx pegs on its shoulders/helicopterpartthingy isn't intrusive, and is actually a good thing to know! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:36, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:::: Something that EXPANDS the toy's playability? HELL YES it should be mentioned! --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:25, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::::: Well the toy IS pretty unplayable in its present form, so it needs all the help it can get. I'll have to reword the blurb, because it suggests somebody at Haskara might have intended them to be Mini-Con ports, when they are not. Merely a coincidence. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::aaaaand i'll just remove what I just said - forgot about this giant weapon, there. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

== Blackout on mars ==

In the movie, [[Tom Banachek]] clearly state that the robot destroying the Bealgle 2 Rover has been identified as the one that attacked the base in Irak. Shouldn't that be mentioned?--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 17:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:Definitely. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 17:33, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:I... don't think it's clearly stated. They say they have similar exoskeletal thingermajig. They could simply be saying he's the same species. We should be careful. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:02, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah it was not clearly stated as such. What he told Keller was that they believe it the two things in the photos (Mars McRandomdude and Blackout) have a similar exoskeletal structure, not 'the thing that attacked the base destroyed this probe a couple of years ago!' --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:27, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::Well seeing that the transformers can also been ditingued by they personnal exoskeleton, we could mention it with a "Presumed", or a "it could be", even in the trivia, no?--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 18:36, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:::There's no evidence, so we can't suggest it in trivia, in my opinion. They do that far too often on the regular Wikipedia. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::It seemed pretty obvious to me that it was supposed to be the same guy. I assumed the "similar" part was just because now the guy turns into a helicopter and looks slightly different now-- not that it was a different guy. I mean, their silhouettes were basically the same. Regardless, if it's really a contended point, do we have any secondary material that addresses this at all? --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:50, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::I assumed the 'similar' bit meant 'we think it's the same species.' -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:::It seemed to me that Banachek was saying it's the same robot. However, it is at best implied, and the idea of that being Blackout contradicts, IMO, Bumblebee's designation as N.B.E.-2. I was under the impression that Bumblebee was supposed to be the Mars robot, and thus was surprised by the (to me) implied "it was Blackout". --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::::Well, no, we know the rover-smasher was definitely either Starscream, Blackout or Barricade - we see it ''happen'' on the second-to-last page of the IDW prequel. We just don't see which one of them delivers the blow. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

==New image==
[[Image:Movie_Blackout_promorender2.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]

Opinions on using this image as the new main pic? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:51, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

==Automorph==
I put info on how to best automorph the voyager class figure. Hope it helps. --[[User:Paradox244|Paradox244]] 00:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Personally, what I would like to see this Wiki do is put a section at the bottom of each page of the movie transformers that contains all other images of that character, including extra CGI renders. --Guest 20.55 23February 2008

==Cyber Slammer==
I think the Cyber Slammers blackout thing is just an error on Hasbro's website's part, the page was up for a day with no pics or text, and I don't recall the toy being announced anywhere else. I'm removing it from the page 'til there's prooof it's gog to be made. --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] 03:57, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

==Alt-mode Origin Contradiction==
It just occurred to me that there may not necessarily be a contradiction between Blackout getting his alt-form 3 years before the movie in the "Prime Directives," prequel comic, and the mention of how his serial number namesake got shot down in Afghanistan 3 months prior to the movie. He mentions in the comic that there "were no witnesses," in contrast to Blackout and Starscream. If this is true, then it's entirely possible that he scanned the vehicle without any humans noticing, and then both he and the helicopter he scanned went on their separate paths; Blackout doing the stuff he did in Prime Directives and the helicopter getting shot down in Afghanistan three months before the movie. --[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 08:29, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

==EMP??==
Why is Blackout's initial attack called an EMP wave? If it was, every electrical circuit on the base should be rendered dead. This was clearly not the case since the computers were still on. It looks like just some kind of plain old shockwave to me. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 06:39, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

==Sabot at the base?==
Can we confirm it was a sabot round? I mean, for one, they didn't pull that trump card until later in the film. Two, Blackout didn't "react" the way every other Transformer (including himself) did when hit with Sabot: Namely, in pain. At the base, he merely "flinched".
tl;dr I think it was a simple grenade launcher. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 06:28, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
:You're right, it was just a grenade round. On the DVD there appears to be, as the soldiers later relate, some kind of force field holding back the energy of the grenade. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:17, 16 November 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>