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Talk:Jumal

2009-08-15T22:34:00Z

88.213.34.84:

==Jumal vs. Jamal==
I'm curious, is his name actually written "J'''u'''mal" (with a U) on any official source? Because the most common (and most accurate) rendition of the name (جمال ''Jamāl'') is "J'''a'''mal" or "J'''a'''maal" (with an A). The pronunciation of "Jamal" in the cartoon may have lead to the misspelled "Jumal" -- [[User:Ziyad|Ziyad]] 18:55, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
:Yes, it really is spelled "Jumal" in the script. [[User_talk:Apcog#Prince_Guy|I had the same problem believing it]].--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 21:00, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

::It's probably worth adding a note to the page about Jumal's name most likely being a misspelled version of Jamāl. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:54, 15 August 2009 (EDT)
:::I think all the information is worthwhile to include in the Notes section, but I'm not sure about putting the Arabic translations with the "correct" Romanizations right in the intro. I thought we only included non-English renderings there when those renderings were in some way official, not just our own estimation of how they would/should translate. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 17:17, 15 August 2009 (EDT)
::::So the Arabic rendering of the names in the intro should be removed because it's not official? I added it with the intent that it would be how the character's name is written in their own language, but I suppose that would be tampering with canon even if the information was 100% correct. It depends on how official real-world facts are considered, like the behavior of scientific substances (such as chemicals and minerals) in Canon if they contradict Real Life, which one is right and which is wrong? Or, if official sources do not explain the characteristics of real-world things (anything from handheld tools (like a wrench) to world organizations (like the United Nations)) do we rely on real-world facts to explain how they work? Or do we consider everything not demonstrated in canon to be "unconfirmed"? Otherwise, official sources would have to explain EVERYTHING. The ''Italics'' following the Arabic script are not "correct" Romanizations per se, but are closer to Standardized Transcriptions to show how the Arabic script is '''pronounced'''. Wikipedia uses it all the time with Arabic scripts written in articles, because it is realized that many people can't read Arabic. Like if I say for example "Their motto is (اعمل بجدّ تنل ما تستحقّه ''i‘mal bijiddin tanal mā tastaḥiqquh'') which means '''Work hard and you will get what you deserve'''." I added the transcription so you can read the Arabic script if you are unable to otherwise. -- [[User:Ziyad|Ziyad]] 17:57, 15 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::The short answer is... yes, we consider stuff not demonstrated in canon to be "unconfirmed". Take a look at "[[Nicholas|Nick Fury's]]" page, for instance. Canon trumps Real Life (or non-Transformers sources) in terms of the in-universe sections, although instances of canon contradicting Real Life might be Notes-section-worthy.
:::::And, as such, we also base translations in intros on official non-English usages. For instance, if you look at, say, [[Jean Minakaze]]'s page, you can see we provide the Japanese version of his name because he comes from a series that was originally produced in the Japanese language. And then if you look at something like [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster's]] page, you can see we have a list of non-English names used for him in the various non-English dubs he was in.
:::::But unless Jumal originally came from an Arabic-language story, we shouldn't have an Arabic translation of his name in the intro. And giving an alternate name underneath the intro would require that usage being used in the official Arabic dub of the series.
:::::Does all that make any sense? :> --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:20, 15 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::Yesyes it does! So bottom line is that if I want to write the name in its original language I do so in the Notes section if the original language script was not used officially to represent that name. -- [[Special:Contributions/88.213.34.84|88.213.34.84]] 18:34, 15 August 2009 (EDT)

User talk:Ziyad

2009-08-14T23:36:09Z

88.213.34.84: /* Arabic info */

==Arabic info==
Hey, just wanted to thank you for the Arabic-language tidbits you're sharing. As far as I know, we don't have any other regular contributors with knowledge in that area, so definitely keep it up. (We have discussions about Japanese all the time, but this is new...) - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:04, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
*No problemo! I love Transformers and I'm excited to help out! I'm also thrilled to hear that my contributions are new ^_^ -- [[User:Ziyad|Ziyad]] 19:10, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

Yes, let me also say welcome aboard! It's great to have fans with new resources at their disposal. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 19:34, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
*Thank you so very much! =D -- [[Special:Contributions/88.213.34.84|88.213.34.84]] 19:36, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

Middle East

2009-08-14T16:19:08Z

88.213.34.84: Profanity?

The '''Middle East''' is a term for the various desert countries situated in the meeting point between the [[Africa|African]] and [[Asia|Asian]] continents. Countries located there include [[Egypt]], [[Jordan]], [[Iran]], [[Qatar]], and [[Socialist Democratic Federated Republic of Carbombya|Carbombya]]. The area is noted for its high concentration of [[oil]].

==Fiction==
===Generation 1===
====Generation 1 cartoon====
The Decepticons collaborated with a usurper in an unnamed nation in stealing a number of planes, intending to use them to create a drone army to seize the region's oil fields and [[Giant Purple Griffin|a big frikkin' griffin robot]] to do... something. The [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] and [[Prince Jumal]] thwarted this brilliant plan. {{storylink|Aerial Assault}}

In 2005, [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] and [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] hid out in Carbombya. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1}}

Later, [[Octane]] and [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] went to hide in Carbombya and use its oil, with Octane planning to use the refueled Trypticon against [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], while providing (bad) coastal defence of the nation to keep the Carbombyans sweet. Eventually, Carbombya's ruler [[Abdul Fakkadi]] started getting the Decepticons to ''steal famous buildings'' for him ''to create a tourist trade''. When other Decepticons turned up and simply took over the country, Fakkadi had to call in the Autobots, who made him promise to never ally with the Decepticons again. {{storylink|Thief in the Night}}

====Japanese Generation 1 cartoon====
The Decepticon [[Godmaster]]s attacked a Middle Eastern oil refinery to lure the Autobots into a trap. It worked! (But the trap didn't) {{storylink|Overlord - Terror of the Chōkon Tornado}}

====Legends anthology====
[[NATO]] carried a peacekeeping operation in Carbombya, under the command of [[Joseph Bergstrum]]. {{storylink|Two for the Price of One}}

====IDW Comics====
Thundercracker and Skywarp, disguised as American F-22 jets, took out the El Jira power plant in an unspecified nation, as part of the Decepticon strategy of provoking human conflicts. {{storylink|Escalation issue 2}}

===Movie (2007) franchise===
====IDW Prequel comics====
The Decepticons landed in Afghanistan, destroying a military convoy and assaulting [[Bargam Airbase]] while looking for information on Megatron. [[Wreckage (Movie)|Wreckage]] was offlined and captured by the humans here. {{storylink|Planetfall}}

====Transformers (2007)====
The American [[SOCCENT Forward Operations Base]] in [[Qatar]] was an early target, being assaulted by [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]] who hacked its data and wiped out the entire base. A few surviving soldiers under [[William Lennox]] and local civilian [[Mahfouz]] were hunted down by [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]], almost being exterminated (along with a local village) before reinforcements [[Bring the rain|brought the rain]].

Scorponok is still out there...

====Titan Magazines====
[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] and a US Army Ranger team combed the Qatar deserts for Scorponok. The Decepticon managed to hack into Ironhide and make him attack the soldiers for a bit, but they eventually exterminated him. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 8|Scorpion Sting}}

====Toy bios====
A not-actually-dead [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]] escaped to the Middle East and converted himself to solar power. He now lies in wait, attacking human convoys and armoured columns... well, because he ''can'', basically. {{storylink|Brawl (Movie)#Leader Class toys|Deep Desert Brawl}}

At the same time, an abandoned Scorponok is trying to hide out in the empty deserts, but is being grimly pursued by [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]. {{storylink|Scorponok (Movie)#Legends Class toys|Legends Scorponok}}

====Transformers The Game====
Blackout and Scorponok attacked a SOCCENT Forward Base in Qatar and had a massive battle, only for it to turn out to be ''completely pointless''. So they went home again.

====Transformers: Decepticons====
Once ''again'' Qatar is attacked, with [[Create-A-Bot (Decepticon)|Create-A-Bot]] leading Blackout and Brawl in a massive assault on human forces there. Create-A-Bot took on the human troops and Brawl held off reinforcenments, while Blackout, under fire, hacked data from buildings and took out satellites. Then they fought off Autobots and won! HIGH SCORE! {{storylink|Transformers Autobots/Decepticons}}

====IDW Sequel comics====
Decepticon reinforcement [[Jetstorm (Movie)|Jetstorm]] made his landing in the Middle East. He scanned his alternate mode at a nearby US air base before destroying it... Jesus Christ, do the Decepticons have it in for US bases in the Middle Eastern, they don't even ''look'' at ''Qatar's own'' military bases... {{storylink|Alliance issue 3}}

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