Talk:Furmanism

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This is awesome. In a "so bad it's good" sort of way. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

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This is obviously an incomplete list. I also have some that were only repeated once, sometimes in differing forms, which I won't add to the page proper until we find at least one more iteration. If you can find more of any of these, feel free to add them.

Here's my remainder:

===WHOLE WORLD OF PAIN===
*"Get ready, quite literally... for a whole WORLD of pain!" -- Starscream, G2 #11
*"It's about PAIN, Megatron... here's a whole WORLD of it!" -- Starscream, TWWv1 #3

===DOWN TO EARTH--LITERALLY!===
*"Aww, did I bring the poor Autobot '''down to earth''' with a bump?" --'''Rumble, ''Transformers: Generation 2'' #6'''
*"Let's bring these latter-generation big shots '''down to earth'''!" --'''Skydive, ''Transformers: Generation 2'' #10'''
*"Bring him '''down to earth!'''" --'''Lio Convoy, ''Beast Wars: The Ascending'' #3'''

--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

:I'm waaaay too comfortable lying on my couch here to go upstairs and find the book and check, but I want to say Swoop did the whole "better to die than run" shtick when the Dinobots were fighting the demons in #76...? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 23:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::Indeed! Good memory. Hold on... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Now there are '''three''' phrases in which '''down to earth''' is meant '''literally'''.
--[[User:Jeff S|Jeff S]] 08:08, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

== Call me humorless if you wish- ==

Normally, I love the humor here. I like that we don't always take everything seriously. However, I think this article is taking things a little far. Boo to this section, basically. Boo-urns, in fact. It feels like it's trashing Furman for no good reason. And I've never heard ANYONE say- "Hey, a similar bit of dialogue in a Simon Furman comic! Must be a Furmanism!"

And, seriously,you don't think some of it is intentional (particularly issue 67)?

I just don't see how this has a place here. --DJ Convoy

:...I saw it as a celebration of Furmanisms, actually. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

::Pretty much. Furman is my main man. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:53, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure there's gotta be more IT NEVER ENDSes than the three I got, right? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 09:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
: Well, uh, I wasn't counting the IT NEVER ENDSes on purpose, because Furman does those on purpose, as an intentional self-referential running-gag to his original G1 send-off letter. I don't think it really belongs in this article, as such. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
::Well, being a cartoon-centric guy I didn't actually know what the original source of it was. It still strikes me as qualifying as a "Furmanism" though, albeit with a note in the article about it's origin and nature. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 17:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:::I'd never called them Furmanisms before now either, but I do now. As for disrespect... Well, I think a Transfan has to kinda be a Furman fan by definition really. --[[User:82.41.82.183|82.41.82.183]] 22:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
::::Not so. I'm a Transformers fan and I don't like Furman's writing much at all. However, I've heard the term "Furmanism" for years online, so it makes sense for this article to exist.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 23:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::You only "have" to like Furman if you like the print media. Certainly no one is mandated to be a fan of Flint Dille--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:11, 2 August 2007 (UTC).

== REAP THE WHIRLWILD ==

Simon must be a huge Young Guns fan. =D--[[User:Speedbreaker|Speedbreaker]] 04:24, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
:Isn't it from the bible though? "They sow the wind and reap the whirlwind", something along those lines? [[User:70.53.249.237|70.53.249.237]] 22:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I think this one is a little unfair - I bought a cheap pocket paperback X-Men compilation thing and Clairemont used this same phrase twice and only two issues apart. Rather than a Furmanism, it seems to be common comic-book language. [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 11:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

== On predatory birds and hovering thereof ==

Seriously, we really should include those. Yes, yes, it was only used one other time... but it's by far the most unique of them all. Also, hilarious. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 01:52, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Today while I was at work, I picked up the Transformers Movie Guide and pawed through it. I noticed for the first time this sentence talking about Megatron's alt mode:
*"Like some dread bird of prey, Megatron would hang suspended in the upper atmosphere, raining lightning bolts down on enemy emplacements while his drone (ground) troopers picked off any who attempted to flee or fight back."
--[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 23:44, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
:What I'm curious about is, is that close enough to count? If yes, we've finally reached the required three birds of prey. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 23:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
::I would count it! Sweeeeet. (Furman wrote it, right?) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:22, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
:::[http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Movie-Guide-Simon-Furman/dp/0756630134/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-1728203-3352961?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1191457670&sr=8-1 Non wiki-based proof] for you. We have an article for the book, but I'm sure you'd prefer a source that isn't editable. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 00:29, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
== Another Time And Place Furmanisms? ==
I seem to recall the Another Time And Place text story ending with the "It Never Ends" furmanism.. can anyone confirm? [[User:70.53.249.237|70.53.249.237]] 22:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
: It does. Though I'm still iffy on its inclusion in this article without some sort of disclaimer, as he purposefully includes it all the freakin' time (like even in the You Can Draw Transformers book) as some sort of calling card. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:42, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:: If he includes it on purpose, wouldn't that make it that much more a Furmanism?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 03:13, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
::: I think it would. [[User:70.53.249.237|70.53.249.237]] 03:17, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:::: In fact, we should have the article end with that section, with the last one being the one from the You Can Draw Transformers book. [[User:Kaosu Reido|Kaosu Reido]] 20:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
::::: He uses it in that book too? HAH! This article should totally do what Kaosu just said it should do. [[User:70.55.211.238|70.55.211.238]] 06:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Since "It never ends!" now is included, I should point out that there's another one, by Shockwave at the end of Time Wars. Don't have the book handy now, so I can't make an exact quote. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:10, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

== Down to earth ==

I spotted the phrase ''down to earth''--used in a '''literal''' sense--in two issues of ''Transformers: Generation 2'' (#6, "The Gathering Darkness"; #10, "War Dawn").

'''-Jeff Steele'''
: Those are already noted further up the page. Thanks, though! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

==Not exactly "fight and die"==
There's Crankcase's "Better to die a warrior's death than endure this ''mockery'' of life!" from "The Rise and Fall of the Decepticon Empire"... same theme. Usable? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:I'd say so. Look at the section, there are a bunch of em that are similar to "fight and die" but not 100% the same. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

== What Order Should They Be Listed In? ==

Given that we're dealing with a short list, I'm not sure the Furmanisms necessarily need to be in alphabetical order. (It's also not a list people are going to be looking things up in. ''"Hey, I wonder if 'In for a penny, in for a pound' is a Furmanism? I better look under 'I' . . . "'')
Opinions? [[User:JW|JW]] 15:08, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
:Alphabetical order is better than arbitrary. Though if I had to pick a different ordering system, I'd suggest the order in which they first appeared in fiction. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
::The order I was trying to put them in was not (quite) arbitrary. It was an attempt to tell a story as if two characters were talking in nothing but Furmanisms. (E.g., "It can be destroyed!" as a response to "What chance do we have?") This is, admittedly, quirky, esoteric, and serves no purpose but The Funny, but I'm not certain alphabetical order serves ''any'' purpose besides "not arbitrary". [[User:JW|JW]] 15:24, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
::Or, we could list them in the order they appear in today's Shortpacked . . . [[User:JW|JW]] 11:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I'd much rather they be in an order that's accessible to others. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:28, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Well, A) I was joking about Shortpacked. (By the way, keep up the good work.) And, B) a list of only ''ten'' items is accessible by default. It can be reviewed in seconds with a flick of the mouse. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:17, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
: I gotta say that I really liked having "IT NEVER ENDS" right next to "IT'S OVER - FINISHED!" [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 16:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::Heck, if we change the header from "OVER -- FINISHED" to "IT IS OVER -- FINISHED", we can do that, and keep Walky happy. One of the sample quotes uses "it is over", and another two use "it's over", so this is quite justifiable. [[User:JW|JW]] 16:18, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

==Furman sound effects==
Should we do a Furman sound effects article to accompany this? I'd love to see the instances of 'FFN' :D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:38, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
:I was just thinking the other day that we should include "GNNGH". --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 13:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you for replying. I had forgotten about this given that everybody else (who are vastly more well-versed in the comics than I) evidently couldn't be bothered answering. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Sadly, Furman stopped using SPOOMS! once we started asking him in person to use them more. We apologize. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:41, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::: A sound effects section should prolly be on this article. A steller example is Grimlock's Ff. Tt. Hf. etc. in the first ''The War Within''. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:59, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::Why did he stop? Did he realize you guys were lightly mocking his 'isms'? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Hey, what happened? I thought you guys LOVED Furman sound effects! If Furmanisms are good enough for catalogue, then sound effects should damn well be catalogued, too! --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:How would we categorize these? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:35, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::As in the type of article or within the article itself? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:40, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Within this article. I'm sure every story has some sort of sound effects. Are there particular ones Furman uses more than others? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:48, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::::SPOOM!
::::Unfortunately, this sort of article would require the services of somebody like Walky and his friends who, as I understand, are great fans of Furman's sound effects and speech patterns. My own knowledge is painfully limited. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:56, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

== Nemesis Pt 2 ==

as anyone checked Nemesis part 2 for Furmanisms? He did write it, after all. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:47, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
: I dunno about Furmanisms, but the angry shouting-at-the-sky speech about Tigerhawk's death Primal has just outside their base is pretty damn Furmanesque. It's so awesome to see Furman material acted out. But no specific Furmanisms come to mind... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:40, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

==A STING in the tail!==
This one pops up when Pincer transforms in.... issue #63? And again in the Magnus Spotlight. Can we get a third, do I hear a third, third third third? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 03:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

==He hesitates - and is LOST!==
"He hesitates - and is lost!" -- narrative box, UK #116
"It hesitated and lost EVERYTHING!" -- Dreadwind, UK #218

There's GOT to be one more of these.

== Time we weren't here ==

Hot Rod in Devastation #3, page 8.

This sounds vaguely familiar. Did it get used in Furman stories before? If yes, would it qualify for a Furmanism, or is it too generic?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 21:31, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:Having finally had the chance to read this issue I have to agree that line sounds very familiar, but I can't recall where from... And Nevermore, I think the way Furman says it is unique to him, I've never heard that type of phrase before he came about. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::Having not yet read Devastation #3, I can say that it's VERY familiar to me as a Furmanism, and I'm 99% sure we could find three examples somewhere. "Time I wasn't here," perhaps. Thing is, he uses so much English colloquialism that I'm rarely ever sure if his phrases are HIS or just from his dialect. "On balance, I prefer...." "My advice to one and all..." I'm not sure where to draw the line, ultimately. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 17:13, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

==Who are we to play god?==
- "This is hopeless! How am I to decide who deserves life the most? Who am I to play god?" -- Optimus Prime, UK #250 {{storylink|The Greatest Gift of All!}}
 - Prime to Omega Supreme {{Storylink|Spotlight: Optimus Prime}}
 - Doubleheader to Longtooth {{Storylink|Deadly Obsession}}
 - "Pray tell, Optimus Primal... how it feels to play GOD?" - Depth Charge {{storylink|Homecoming}}
:-- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 05:22, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
::That one sounds like more of a genuine turn of phrase to me. If we can find many more than these three, I can be convinced it's an actual Furmanism, rather than just something people say. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:34, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

:::It is a phrase people use- but I'm pretty sure Furman hits it heavily. It might be worth referencing ''if'' you can find some stock intro format he uses before it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:54, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

==Things Fall Apart==
I noticed this while flipping through the DK Ultimate Guide the other day, and it seemed vaugely familiar. Wasn't it used in some semi-recent IDW comic? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] 13:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Coming_%28poem%29 "The Second Coming" by Yeats] gets quoted in a lot of places. Since it's not original to Furman, I don't think we can count it as a Furmanism. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:23, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:: I am clearly a literary idiot. Thanks! ...then again, if "Reap The Whirlwind" counts, and that's not something Furman came up with himself, should we discount "Things Fall Apart" if more examples can be found? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] 01:47, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Good question . . . let's first see if he does use "things fall apart" the requisite three times . . . [[User:JW|JW]] 03:28, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

==How many times?==
*"Again he has cheated death. A chance in a million has turned defeat into victory. How many more times, he wonders..." --Narration, [[The Harder They Die!]]
*"Curse you, Optimus Prime! How many times? How '''many?!'''" --Megatron, [[Under Fire!]]
*"How many, eh? HOw many have to '''die''' for you to get your jollies? '''HOW MANY?'''" --Ratchet, [[A Savage Circle]]
*"How many times did we both die... only to live again? A vicious cycle from which there seemed no escape." --Optimus Prime, [[New Dawn#"Tales of Earth Part Four"|Tales of Earth, Part Four]]
*"''Curse you'', Rodimus Prime -- ''how many times must I destroy you?''" -- Galvatron, [[Rhythms of Darkness!]]
For your consideration --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Heh. I like the... insistence of the third one, put into context with the rest. But I'd still actually vote against this. It's just a little too generic - to my sensibilities, anyway. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 06:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:: I was wondering, which is why I didn't throw it in automatically. Let's see what other people think, and maybe someone can dig up more of these to solidify it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:23, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::: If we make it more specific and go with the "How many times? HOW MANY?" part, then I think we've got something. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 23:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

==DEAD wrong!==
* "Urr...if you think we're beaten, Autobot -- you're ''dead'' wrong!" -- Bludgeon {{storylink|The Lesser Evil!}}
: Isn't 'dead wrong' a pretty common phrase?--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:56, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
::Yes, but not as a pun roughly translating to "you are wrong, and you are also dead." I haven't read the story in question, but it sounds like that's what he's saying. [[User:Caswin|Caswin]] 02:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

==What do you think you're playing at?==
*"Uhn! Blast it, Backstreet! What're you playing at?" -- Dogfight, "[[Race with the Devil]]"
* "Whaddaya think you're playing at, Inferno?" -- Broadside, "[[Survivors!]]"
* "''What'' do you think" "you're playing at?" -- Doubleheader, "[[Whose Lifeforce is it Anyway?]]"
* "''Hey!'' What are you playing at, ''Nightbeat''?" -- Kup, "[[The Price of Life!]]"
: Totally vouching for this one, it's one of my favorite Furmanisms. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:56, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

==No! You're dead!==
* "No! Y-you were dead... I killed you!" -- Thunderwing, "[[The Big Shutdown!]]"
* "No! It - it ''can't'' be you... you're dead!" -- Ratchet, "[[Back From the Dead]]"
* "No! I saw you die, felt your ''aura'' leave its mortal remains! You were ''no more!''" -- Bludgeon, "[[End of the Road!]]"
* "YOU did this... but you're DEAD!" -- Dreadwind, "[[Race with the Devil]]" (cover)
* "No! It can't be you... you're dead!" -- Megatron, "[[Salvage!]]" (cover)
* "Nooo! You're - you're dead... ''dead!'' I saw you die!" -- Megatron, "[[Salvage!]]"

==Shattered Expectations==
Should there be some mention here about the reverse Furmanisms in the Shattered Expectations April Fools comic pages? - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

==Power Beyond Measure==
* "Flee! Power beyond measure, this one has! His light--hurts!" --Demon, re: ActionMaster Grimlock
* "I offer you dark secrets, whispers from the timelost past; power--BEYOND MEASURE!" --The Fallen

Okay, the last one isn't an exact quote, but the Furmanism was definitely carried over. And I'm naggingly sure I've heard it much more often than that....--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

== INTO ITS MAW ==

I know this has been used in several instances. Laserbeak thrown into Slag's maw in [[Dinobot Hunt!]], Prime plunging the Matrix into Unicron's maw, that creature with the matrix energy in it's maw. Any others? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 01:02, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:If we end up using it, it should be "ITS MAW", not "IT'S MAW". Possessive, not contraction. [[User:JW|JW]] 01:36, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::Agreed. Made a typo. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 01:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

== Putting our own house in order ==

I believe this one has been said enough times to qualify as one.

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== Bumblebee and Drift ==

Bumblebee's being a real jerk the past few issues. All he seems to say is something negative about Drift. Which is annoying because we don't know what Drift has done to deserve criticism from the nice lovable kid friendly character. Why does the reader have to be the last to know these things? [[Special:Contributions/90.241.216.15|90.241.216.15]] 06:28, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

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why was this episode released three days early? check youtube.. {{unsigned|122.2.209.6}}
:It wasn't officially released, someone leaked it. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:39, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
:: kay' then, i was just a bit surprised by that. so all the info on it still gets written by the 29th right?{{unsigned|122.2.209.6}}
:::We'll be allowed to write it up as soon as it officially airs on Cartoon Network on Saturday morning the 28th. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:54, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
::::That was weird. Cartoon Network watermark on it and everything, but not the new one they used on the last two episodes. But yeah, that hasn't actually aired to my knowledge.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:02, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::Word is that someone fished it from Cartoon Network's own video section by finding out where it had been pre-uploaded in anticipation of official release. Might well be the case, seeing as how the watermark is the same as the officially linked previous Animated eps on CN's video section, and it's nice quality. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 00:19, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::Yep, same tactic was used earlier in the week when Ben 10 Alien Force's season finale got leaked. --[[User:FigmentJedi|FigmentJedi]] 11:43, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::::And now "Five Servos of Doom" has been leaked too. At this rate we'll be seeing the whole season during the next week. [[Special:Contributions/90.241.216.15|90.241.216.15]] 06:12, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

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