War Without End!

2011-08-02T16:17:40Z

95.148.10.232: /* Errors */ Added quotes and some errors.

{{disambig3|War Without End}}
{{Comicstory|
|seriesissue=[[Generation 2 (Marvel Comics)|Transformers: Generation 2]] #1
|prev=Ghosts
|next=All or Nothing!
|title=War Without End!
|image=MarvelUSG2-01.jpg
|caption=Foil covers suck for scanning.
|publisher=[[Marvel Comics]]
|date=September 1993
|coverdate=November 1993
|script=[[Simon Furman]]
|art=[[Derek Yaniger]]
|inker=
|colors=[[Sarra Mossoff]]
|lettering=[[Richard Starkings]] with [[Gaushell]]
|editor=[[Rob Tokar]]
|continuity=[[Marvel Comics continuity]]
}}

'''They're baaaaaack...'''

==Synopsis==
A group of [[Autobot|Autobots]] led by Grimlock destroys a [[Outpost B-67 exo-structuring party|group of Decepticons]] in [[Nexus Seven|the deepest reaches of space]]. They have unearthed a different kind of [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronians]] intent on colonizing all the worlds within their grasp. Jhiaxus, the leader of this group of Decepticons, has decided to take matters into his own hands, and captures Grimlock's group in order to demonstrate to them the futility of fighting against his forces. Discouraged by the apparent limitlessness of the threat they now face, the Autobots nonetheless decide to fight back. But, as terrible as this new threat is, Optimus Prime is having visions of something even ''worse'' on the horizon...

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] (3)
*[[Hound (G1)|Hound]] (4)
*[[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] (5)
*[[Blades (G1)|Blades]] (6)
*[[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] (7)
*[[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] (8)
*[[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] (9)
*[[Slag (G1)|Slag]] (10)
*[[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] (11)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] (12)
*[[Kup (G1)|Kup]] (13)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] (14)
|c2=
*[[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] (18)
|c3=
*[[Mott]] (16)
|h4=[[G.I. Joe (team)|Joes]]|c4=
*[[Hawk (G.I. Joe)|Hawk]] (15)
*[[Mainframe (G.I. Joe)|Mainframe]] (17)
|h5=[[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian]]s|c5=
*[[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] (1)
*[[Rook (G2)|Rook]] (2)
}}

==Quotes==
"It begins with screams. Thick. The air is thick with them. A symphony of pain and death. I am drowning in an ocean of corpses. Running. Fleeing from something unspeakably ancient and evil. Only to find... ...that it is right in front of me! One touch, one moment of terrible emptiness and I crumble to dust!"
:—'''Optimus Prime''', has some very morbid dreams.

"Look at 'em, you wouldn't think we'd just risked life and limb to save their scrawny necks!"

"You're surprised?! If I were them, I think I'd be a little wary of you, Blades. I noticed a certain... zeal in the way you went about your work!"

"Is that so? Well, for your information, Mister Holier-Than-Thou, the creep you thought was surrendering was about to nail your worthless hide to the wall! And you know what, Hound? I should have let him do it... because you're a liability to yourself and to us! You're soft, weak! And I won't"

"Enough! There are too many of the enemy to waste time fighting among ourselves! Just remember that we the good guys! Remember we the Autobots!"
:—'''Blades''' and '''Hound''', having some mild disagreements over each other's ethics before being interrupted by '''Grimlock'''.

==Errors==
* Optimus Prime is depicted on the cover as having bullet casings lodged in his head, despite the fact that bullets are not fired in their entirety from the barrel of a weapon.
* Optimus Prime mentions [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] among the threats the Autobots have overcome. In the U.S. continuity, most of the people who actually encountered [[Galvatron II|one Galvatron]] ended up dead, and the [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|few]] that survived didn't learn his name. So how does Prime know it? (In the UK continuity, Optimus encountered Galvatron (or Galvatrons) on several occasions, but whether ''this'' issue has a place in UK continuity is debatable.)
* [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] is strangely absent from the list of old ghosts laid to rest despite also being one of the Autobots' most significant threats.
* And does [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] deserve a place in that list? He died an ally of Optimus Prime's in the battle against [[Unicron]], unless Optimus Prime was lying to Scorponok about him being an 'old friend'.

==Items of note==
* ''Real-world references:'' The cover tagline "This is not your father's Autobot!" is a play on the then-current advertising slogan for Oldsmobile cars.
* In the first draft of the fold-out cover's battle scene, G1 [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] was used rather than the G2 tank model.
* Seen in flashbacks: [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], Megatron [in his original body], [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]], [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], [[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]], [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]], [[Unicron]], [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]].
* Grimlock and others revived with [[Nucleon]] can transform again, with no explanation. Since "[[Another Time and Place]]" doesn't fit into this continuity, we are to assume they found some other way of canceling Nucleon's effects. A later letters page briefly explained that upon retaking Cybertron the Autobots had found a proper energy source, restoring their transformation.
* The [[Last Autobot]] was activated at the end of the G1 comic to watch over the [[Transformer|children of Primus]]. He appears to be no longer around.

===References===
* On page 16, Optimus Prime reflects on threats faced in the original Marvel comic series. Optimus later refers to Bludgeon's claim to be taking the Decepticons into voluntary exile from [[End of the Road! (US)|the final G1 issue]].
* Pages 25–26 tie in to the [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] comics tie-in from issues #138–142.
* Page 28 shows [[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]] in a flashback, describing him as a "small-minded tyrant."
* Page 31 depicts a flashback of [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] attacking [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]], presumably from issue #37 of the U.S. series.

===Covers (2)===
* '''Cover A:''' Optimus Prime with bullets in his head by [[Derek Yaniger]]
* '''RI cover:''' foil version of cover A

===Advertisements===
* None yet identified.

[[Category:Marvel Generation 2 issues]]

Talk:War Without End!

2011-08-02T15:49:22Z

95.148.10.232: /* A Galvatron remembered */

==A Galvatron remembered==

I have removed this from the errors:

* Optimus Prime mentions [[Galvatron II|Galvatron]] among the threats the Autobots have overcome. But most who actually encountered Galvatron in the fiction ended up dead, and the [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|few]] that survived didn't get the chance to learn his name. So how did Prime know it?

As many people fought Galvatron and survived (e.g. the Dinobots) and also it's mentioned that Galvatron is in the Ark's computer in one of the stories in one of the annuals (the one with Scorponok on the front).

[[Special:Contributions/80.176.139.71|80.176.139.71]] 19:25, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

:Which is all in the UK continuity. (And that's not "Galvatron II" to whom the link goes, though it's not clear which of the many Galvatrons is meant.) I suppose something to the effect that for the US G1 comic continuity this ''is'' an error but it ''isn't'' for the UK continuity would be the best way to explain this one. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 19:38, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
::Since this issue wasn't released in the UK, I'm not sure it's ''in'' the UK continuity, technically speaking. [[User:JW|JW]] 00:35, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Wait, was it? I'm not clear . . . [[User:JW|JW]] 00:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

::::Originally no - the UK G2 comic replaced the first three issues with their own two-part blatant advert (and that's even by the standards of most TF fiction) focusing on the toys we had (under their UK names) as Bludgeon launched an attack on Earth to lure Optimus Prime and the Matrix but ran into Megatron, then reprinted issues #4 & #5 of the US comic (and didn't try to paper over the continuity cracks) before folding. Luckily by this time US import comic shops were reasonably widespread so getting the US comic as it came out was not a problem. (Tracking down missed issues on the other hand...)

::::However the Titan trade paperbacks did come out in the UK and virtually all UK fan timelines I've seen have taken G2 as being in continuity so it could be a subjective statement to say outright that it ''isn't''. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 09:29, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
It wouldn't be the first time that a U.K. story has been referenced by the U.S. comic - Optimus Prime remembers the battle with Deathbringer in one issue of the U.S. G1 comic. [[Special:Contributions/95.148.10.232|95.148.10.232]] 11:49, 2 August 2011 (EDT)

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