Talk:Mindset (G2)

2010-10-27T11:46:56Z

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==Onslaught==

Didn't Starscream steal the 'personality components' of the Combaticons from Cybertron in the G1 cartoon? This would mean that Onslaught existed before his familiar form did, and as such could have budded Mindset before being imprisoned. Of course, that'd mean you'd be mixing the cartoon and the comics together as one, which probably leads to all sorts of problems. But it's a thought. [[User:Jeep!|Jeep!]] 19:30, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

:They were certainly stolen but the comic is a different state of affairs - in US G1 continuity Starscream is out of action between issues #19 and some point off panel between #41 & #47 (okay he's around a bit more in the UK continuity but that already explains the Combaticons). There is the infamous cameo of Defensor in issue #47, and as the Headmasters cast don't appear to have had contact with Earth yet have the combining Technobots and Terrorcons amongst them it's possible the Combaticons came from Cybertron, similar to the Predacons.

:But the real problem with all this is that if Onslaught participated in the budding then one has to wonder why Megatron's/Bludgeon's Decepticons don't know about it - why for instance does Bludgeon need the Matrix for new warriors?

:One possibility is that Onslaught isn't Mindset's "father" but rather a sibling or even an off shoot who was deemed unworthy and never taken with the Cybertronians. It's been a while since I've read that scene but I don't recall it being as clear-cut as the "Mindset is descended from Onslaught" as it's presented here. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 15:59, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

== 2010 ==

We sure it's the same guy and not just a homage movie character? [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 04:54, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:It's the ''Transformers'' toyline, so he's whomever you want him to be. Hasbro's not into limiting your options these days. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 06:36, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
::That said, I'm guessing his Reveal the Shield isn't a Cybertronian faction symbol. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 06:39, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Allegedly, Hasbro at Botcon said this Mindset would be an Autobot. If anyone could confirm or deny this, great, otherwise we'll just wait to "Reveal the Shield" ourselves. [[Special:Contributions/128.83.129.124|128.83.129.124]] 11:52, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:Hasbro has said that that new toy was ''the'' Mindset. So... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 07:09, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:: They also said that Sea Spray was ''the'' Seaspray, but he fights movie-verse guys. So... (Not saying Mindset isn't Mindset, but pointing to Hasbro's in-person claims isn't 100% proof.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:44, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:::So? Sea Spray gets around. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:23, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
::::It's just that we have a policy that tells us to put toys on the page they belong to not on pages of characters they share the name with, remember when Hasbro said that ROTF Lockdown was ''the'' Animated character just in movie styling? [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 14:55, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::It's very possible that Mindset's toy will move, but until we know otherwise, this is a good place for it. He does ship with G1 Jazz and G1 Tracks, after all. He's not in a movieverse toyline. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:24, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::Hasbro seems to take a more mythic approach to their characters these days. If it has the same name, they seem to consider it the same character regardless of the universe in which any associated fiction (including bios) places it. If we were to follow their lead, it would totally destroy the organization of this wiki. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:31, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::No "these days" about it. All Optimus Primes are the same guy has always been their approach. We are not attempting to "follow their lead" here. This is merely the best place to put the information until we know otherwise. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:33, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::So can I go ahead and add Fallback onto Outback's page? [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 16:46, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::For the moment that seems better than creating a whole new page and disambiguation we might not need. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:43, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::Yeah. Let's face it, he'll eventually show up in SOME fiction to be summarily executed - it just depends on if it's Titan or IDW that get to him first (or maybe we get a version of him in Titan's ROTF stuff and a version in IDW's G1 stuff! Super confusing!). He'll show up either in a crowd scene or as a random dude to get killed, and then we'll know where he lives. So for now, just dump him here. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 22:02, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::I have this horrible premonition that the G1 inspired Jazz and Tracks figures will have toy bios that also feature explicitly Movie-verse Decepticons. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:01, 4 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::In the recent past, Hasbro has been more clear where characters are from. I'm thinking of the different series in the Universe line (G1 series, Armada series...). - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:56, 4 October 2010 (EDT)
:The toy is an Autobot; we've seen the reverse of his packaging now. Surely thats enough to seperate the comics Mindset from this Mindset? There's nothing linking the two together other than a cross-faction name reuse and very loosely similar alternate modes. [[Special:Contributions/95.148.9.67|95.148.9.67]] 07:46, 27 October 2010 (EDT)

== ''Universe (2008)'' Onslaught ==

Since Mindset is related to Onslaught, it should be okay worth mentioning that ''Universe (2008)'' Onslaught's (though he is a repaint) alt mode is a missile vehicle just like Mindset. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 23:01, 13 October 2010 (EDT)
: No. It is absolutely not worth mentioning. It is a boring, pointless coincidence. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:23, 13 October 2010 (EDT)

Chainclaw (G1)

2010-10-27T10:49:52Z

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{{factions|autobot}}

{{disambig2|the Autobot [[Pretender Beast]] from [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]]|the Decepticon [[Mini-Con]] from [[Power Core Combiners]]|Chainclaw (PCC)}}

:''Chainclaw is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Chainclaw.jpg|right|300px|thumb|I'm a godless killing machine. OH GOD, DOES THIS LOOK INFECTED?!]]
An intense hypochondriac, '''Chainclaw''' believes firmly that there is something very wrong with his systems, if not ''several'' things wrong, and nothing will convince him otherwise. He endlessly entertains visions of how he and his teammates are going to die in battle, every possible mishap that's remotely plausible, even several implausible ones. Once he starts fighting, though, his anxiousness is channeled into a wild, animalistic fighting fury. Chainclaw is an incredibly effective and ferocious warrior... so long as he doesn't notice that discolored spot on his exostructure.

:''French-Canadian name'': '''Griffeur'''
:''Italian name:'' '''Ursus'''

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
{{noteukonly}}
''Chainclaw was due to make a delivery to [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], but was attacked and had his cargo stolen by [[Doubledealer]]. Of course, Doubledealer being Doubledealer, it was all part of an elaborate con <ref>(At least, as elaborate as one can get in a five-page story).</ref>'' {{storylink|(Double) Deal of the Century!}}

''Later, he was sent to Earth as part of a small team of Autobots by Optimus Prime to report on Starscream's activities since the Decepticon became a powerful Pretender. The Autobots did not want to fight Starscream because of his new strength but inadvertently made Starscream angry who believed the Autobots couldn't be bothered wasting their time fighting him, which lead to Starscream's self-confidence returning and trashing all three of the Autobots in retaliation. Since [[Cloudburst]] and [[Getaway]] survived this attack, presumably Chainclaw did too although he never appears again.'' {{storylink|Fallen Star!}}

[[Image:Rhythms_of_Darkness_Chainclaw.jpg|left|thumb|300px|]]

In an alternate timeline, Chainclaw was one of seven Autobots remaining in the Western Hemisphere in 2009, which had been overrun by the [[Decepticon|Decepticons]]. He, [[Getaway]] and [[Guzzle (G1)|Guzzle]] took on [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] in order to keep them away from the other team while they accomplished their mission. Chainclaw got the drop on Cyclonus and likely would have killed him, if not for the intervention of [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], who destroyed Chainclaw with a single shot.

Of course, Galvatron then killed Cyclonus for being weak, so if Chainclaw weren't dead, he'd probably feel better about the outcome. {{storylink|Rhythms of Darkness!}}
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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1 Chainclaw toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Harder than the average bear.]]
*'''Chainclaw''' (Pretender Beast, 1988)
**''Accessories:'' Pretender shell, helmet, Solid Sonic Energy Blaster

: Chainclaw transforms into a gray and yellow robotic bear with a back-mounted energy blaster. In robot mode (which is basically the bear mode standing up) the blaster mounts onto his shoulder. He comes with an outer [[Pretender]] shell shaped like an armored organic brown bear, as opposed to the humanoid shells of most Pretenders. His shell can be fit around his robot body, completely hiding his true form. The bear shell can be augmented with a silver battle helmet and the [[Solid sonic energy blaster|energy blaster]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1988/Autobot/Chainclaw/chainclaw.htm More information on Chainclaw at TFU.info]''
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==Notes==
*Although he presumably had a [[character model]] made, Chainclaw and [[Carnivac (G1)|Carnivac]] were not seen in the original Pretender Beasts commercial—only a brief clip of [[Snarler]] and [[Catilla]] fighting was shown.

{{Reflist}}
[[Category:Autobots]]
[[Category:Generation 1 characters]]
[[Category:Pretenders]]

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