Talk:Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys

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==Unofficial Stuff==
Shall I assume that [http://www.FansProject.com Fans Project's] products are still a no-no?--[[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 12:14, 1 October 2009 (EDT)
:Yep, they have no place here.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 12:16, 1 October 2009 (EDT)
Not even a mention in the trivia?--[[anonymous]] 3:38, 1 March 2010

Talk:Arcee (Movie)

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96.26.48.65: /* Movie Arcee image Vs. ROTF Arcee */

You know, I was going to ask if there was someway to put a line in about her movie form not being pink, but now...I don't know, what with the picture up there. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 23:51, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Has this this bit -- "due to backlash about her not being from G1. (Yes, yes, we know.)" -- actually been stated as the reason she was replaced? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:Fan backlash is one of two or three reasons cited by the writers in one of their BotCon panels (and presumably earlier as well). The "not G1" part in particular is probably exaggeration. There definitely are isolated instances of fans claiming that movie/post-movie isn't G1, but I doubt that is a "reason" for her having been pulled. The note should probably be rephrased for accuracy, since the exaggeration isn't obviously in jest. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 03:44, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::I could certainly see backlash regarding Arcee being used in place of an earlier character. Yes, she's a G1 character, but if you have a limited number of autobots she's not exactly everyone's first or even second choice. I do also remember a bit of kerfuffle about one of the producers being asked about Arcee and commenting that she's the one that turns into a motorcycle. So there might have been an impression that he only knew of the Energon version.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 15:36, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Interestingly, *nobody* has yet pointed out that Movie Arcee makes no sense 'as a concept.' She'd be *tiny.* Like, the same size as Scorpy or a large Frenzy. [[User:207.255.86.198|207.255.86.198]] 14:04, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
: 1) Scorponok's the size of a car.
: 2) Why would she make no sense as a concept if she's a little larger than Frenzy? Frenzy made sense! Why not Arcee?
: 3) I have to go to the bathroom SO BAD right now. Hold on.
: --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:18, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
: Movie Transformers come in a wide variety of sizes. In robot mode, Arcee would be shorter than most, but taller than some. I don't understand your comment. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:17, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

::Didn't the writers say she was 9 feet tall? Which is considerably taller than humans, but much shorter than say, Jazz. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:40, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

===Spelling===
Guys, please stop editing my spelling of "colour". As I said in my User Talk page, I made the original edit concerning the G1 '''Colour''' Edition, and since there are no previous exclusively British or American-spelt words in the article, there's no reason to change it. --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 16:43, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:What's the spelling on the actual box or bag for the toy? [[User:JW|JW]] 16:46, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
::Near as I can tell, the only English words added to the box are "LIMITED EDITION." The rest is in Japanese, so spelling is somewhat moot.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:47, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:''"there are no previous exclusively British or American-spelt words in the article"''

:Except for "genericised", which is the British spelling, I believe. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:09, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd just like to point to this as the kind of page where sub-sectioning toys by pricepoint is completely retarded. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:52, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

==Deluxe Class vehicle mode==
The current text describes her as being a "genericised" 2006 Buell Firebolt XB12R. Comparing the model to a [http://www.bikez.com/pictures/honda/2007/24185_0_1_2_cbr%20600%20rr_Image%20credits%20-%20Honda.jpg Honda CBR600], though, suggests to me that this is the actual intended vehicle. Can anyone offer a source on the Buell Firebolt, or is this just a matter of opinion? [[User:68.199.39.214|68.199.39.214]] 03:33, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

==From Asia?==
:"This version of Arcee later was sold at Asia online retailers in the same packaging as the first release of Arcee." Wait, i included this part, but someone edited it to say that this came from Asia. I have to state here that i got this one in a normal run-of-the-mill retail shop in BELGIUM, so at LEAST this toy also got released(or shipped) in Europe.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 17:48, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

== Putting the rest of her on this page ==

I'm referring to Chromia and the Purple motorcycle bot. Now I haven't watched the movie yet but from what I gather reading this wiki, and forum posts all three bikes in ROTF are Arcee which is established by the comics, the movie and the novel. So their kinda G1 toon Reflector like. So I think we should put all three bikes on this one page using their toy names as redirects and noting the fact that the toys have their own names and the ability to transform while all fiction depict them as being Arcee's three bodies. We are a fiction based wiki after all. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 09:47, 22 June 2009 (EDT)
:Toy bios ''are'' fiction. The toys represent separate individuals. I propose including all three bikes on the Arcee page ''and'' keeping the individual pages, like we do for Reflector. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:52, 22 June 2009 (EDT)
::If we do that, could someone maybe whip up a combined image for the the three of them? (As in, all three bikes in robot and alt. If the combiner idea hasn't been dropped, then that as part of the image too, I guess.)[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 12:18, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:::I think we should still keep the Movie 1 Arcee image up at the top. It was her first body, after all, which is our policy. We make exceptions, sure, but I don't think one is necessary in this case. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:24, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

==Combined mode==
Where's this coming from? You see one motorcycle turning into this one robot, and somehow it's the combined mode?--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 21:22, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
: There was a scene that didn't make it into the movie that involved the Arcees combining into a single robot from the three motorcycle girls. According to Hasbro at BotCon, anyway! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:29, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::Yes, but Carrion is referring to the scan that Starfield just uploaded, which ''isn't'' the combined mode.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:31, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::::You are right. It is a miscolored pink component. The blue component has a wheel over her head, and that is what threw me off. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:32, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

===Combined toys===
I noticed that all three pages say the toys possess the ability to combine into one robot. Is this sourced at all, or are we just talking "hey, I can turn ''Energon'' Shockblast into a gun!" stuff here? --[[User:Buttbutt|Buttbutt]] 02:03, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:Hasbro said so at BotCon [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 04:39, 29 June 2009 (EDT)

== Roberto Orci on Tripartite Transformer and the Final Film ==

I don't typically edit the wiki (as I'm never caught up on anything) but the whole 3 individuals (Arcee-Chromia-Unnamed) vs Tripartite Transformer's been a bit frustrating, especially since the film itself gives no clear say either way. I don't know how much you guys will count this for, but when I asked writer Roberto Orci about Arcee over at Don Murphy's Message Board, this is what he had to say:
"Wrote her as one who made up of three. Bay kept them as individuals." [http://www.donmurphy.net/board/showpost.php?p=1379637&postcount=22916 Here]
According to him, Bay, in the final film, went with the Hasbro Bios, rather than the Tripartite thing from the novel/comics. Is that worthy of note/inclusion?
Either way, I have a feeling this will be the next FIRRIB of the fandom. Except without the hatred. :p {{unsigned|24.130.254.208|16:12, June 30, 2009 EDT}}
-Master Fwiffo
:That's great info, thanks. I saw the movie once, and they had such little screen time that I don't think the movie itself answers the question one way or the other, but since I went in assuming they were one Transformer I could be missing something. This helps a lot, I think. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:43, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::I just saw Orci's post too, but he wasn't clear on whether they wrote Arcee as a robot who transforms into three motorcycles (like how Devastator came across on screen as a robot that transforms into lots of construction vehicles) and if Bay chose to pad out the Autobot ranks by giving them all robot modes (which is how I see it, Bay chose to make three robots, it's why Hasbro characterised them as individuals). On screen, all three of them are referred to as Arcee though, and Grey DeLisle is only clearly seen voicing the purple one (although that could be interpreted as Hasbro named Arcee the wrong robot). [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:34, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::That's a good point about Grey DeLisle - however, might I suggest that the credits are hardly a good source for names? After all, 'Wheelbot', 'Skipjack' and 'the Doctor' certainly didn't end up being final. - Fwiff
:::Yes, reading the post again, it almost sounds like Orci means that having individual robot modes means they have to be individual characters, like he doesn't even consider it a possibility that three robot modes could all be one character. At any rate, that brief post isn't clear enough to draw any conclusions. Especially since we do seem to have a few clues from the movie that they are tripartite. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:26, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Despite author intent, the three bikes are referred to as just one name in the movie itself. She's "Arcee." Not "hey, you three bikes." Just "Arcee." As in somebody asking for "Arcee, twins" and then the three bikes and the twins do something. Orci's revelation doesn't supercede that. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:30, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Not to be argumenitive, but I am positive you're wrong on this Walky. 've seen the movie 4 times now, and the last 2 I paid special attention to Arcee's first scene. Here is what I've found. In her hanger, a voice says 'Arcee's ready to launch'. Now, this is the ONLY time in the film Arcee could conceivably refered to as plural. But it could just as easily be 'Arcee's' as in 'Arcee Is'. But here's the kicker. Her line in response is 'We're Locked and Loaded'. - or something - but, I can gaurantee you Arcee says "WE." Add that with Orci's post, I think it's almost definite that the film version shows three seperate Bots. Now, the only thing remaining is the fact the other two aren't mentioned. The answer lies in Arcee's bio. Arcee is the leader of the team - she commands the 'Arcee' unit. Much like Lennox would order, says, Eps and his team by simply sayings 'Eps', that's why the other two aren't mentioned. I am now positive that film Arcee is not one-bot-in-three-bodies. At the very least, I think the Wiki should label this as unclear until we can get an official source to weigh in on this (though I can't think that any source could be more official than Roberto Frikken Orci). - Fwiff
::::::"We're locked and loaded" also works if you're made of three components. It's one step beyond using the Royal We. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:22, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::Also, for shame using an apostrophe to pluralize "Arcees." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:34, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::I thought the voice in the hanger said "Arcee, are you ready to launch?" with the reply "We're locked and loaded." This could support both theories, either being a tripartite (the novelisation) or speaking on behalf of the team she leads (the toy bios). Arcee being her unit's leader is also a damn sight easier to reconcile with her pre-ROTF comic appearances, unless you're going for the combiner retrofit idea to change her from one bike to three. Hell, for all we know from the film alone, none of the bikes are called Arcee and 'RC' is actually short for Reconnaissance Corps or something. [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 19:45, 9 July 2009 (EDT)

==Arcee's holographic rider?==

So, has anybody been able to dig up who played the holographic girl riding the three Arcees at the beginning of the Shanghai chase? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 19:14, 4 July 2009 (EDT)
:That'd be [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3081637/ Erin Naas]. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:17, 4 July 2009 (EDT)
::Cool! So...how is that gonna be integrated into the wiki? Is she gonna get her own article, like [[Moustache Man]]? She's basically just an extension of Arcee and not a separate character... And if we just add her to Arcee's page, how will we throw her in the "actor" section, next to Grey Delisle and the rest? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 19:20, 4 July 2009 (EDT)

==Main Image==
Since the current main image is an unused one from the first movie, does anyone have a picture of Arcee from ROTF to put up? [[User:Drayco90|Drayco90]] 20:46, 18 July 2009 (EDT)
: It's her first body, so we'll keep using it. That's generally our rule. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:49, 18 July 2009 (EDT)
:: That being the case, shouldn't we swap out all the Animated main characters with their Cybertronian bodies? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 02:28, 19 July 2009 (EDT)

:The design has also been used multiple times in prequel material such as [[Prime Directives]], [[Defiance]], and [[The Reign of Starscream]], so it's canon. But to answer your question, I do not believe that we have an official, full body image of ROTF Arcee. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:50, 18 July 2009 (EDT)
: Fair enough thanks for clarifying [[User:Drayco90|Drayco90]] 20:52, 18 July 2009 (EDT)

== Human Alliance Arcee and Chromia - accidently swapped around? ==

I was looking at Hasbro's SDCC slide of Human Alliance Mudflap & Chromia, and I noticed the bike's robot design appears to be Arcee's, as Arcee is (I think) the one of the three bikes who has both wheels as her feet and what appears to be the front part of her bike mode on her left shoulder. Meanwhile, the Arcee bike that comes with HA Skids has a gigantic left arm, the front of her bike is her lower torso, and has he rear wheel behind her head, just like Chromia. What do you guys think? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:07, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:Okay, I'll take total silence as total agreement and carry on with my plans. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:17, 26 July 2009 (EDT)
:: My guess is that, assuming that Arcee is a tripartate for the HA bios, that the 'Chromia' component was the only survivor of the final battle. She decided to take the alt-mode of Mikaela's motorcycle, a red bike like the HA toy, but kept a robot mode close to her original one. The likely actual answer is that the deluxe Chromia robot was easier to replicate in a near Legends-to-Scout class size than the deluxe Arcee robot. [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 14:40, 27 July 2009 (EDT)
:::What? Didn't I just say they've already done the actual HA Arcee design? They're including it with HA Mudflap and Simmons as "Chromia". And they're doing a separate Legends Arcee as well. The real reason is somebody screwed up and got the designs confused. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:41, 27 July 2009 (EDT)
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/seibertron-interviews-arcee-bike-creator-will-kenefick-of-retrosbk/16671/
Here are all of the Images you would need for any of the three bikes. I'll let someone that does this regularly decide how to do this. 16:43, 10 September 2009

== Should we make another Article? ==

I think we should make another Article, One for The Movie one, And one for the ROTF one, what do you think?--[[Special:Contributions/92.238.160.11|92.238.160.11]] 07:09, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:She's still the same character, so no.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 07:23, 24 July 2009 (EDT)

== Heads Up ==

Are the heads on the new Arcee and Chromia figues the same mold? They look identical to me, save for the paint job.[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 16:54, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

== Movie Arcee image Vs. ROTF Arcee ==
I know that we normaly use the original body's image of characters in the article, but does it make sense to:

1) Have an image up of a concept GCI model that was not used in the film.

2) A character's body that did not apear in the film itself, but is more known from her ROTF concept to the casual fans then the one that only apeared in the comics.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 08:12, 6 December 2009 (EST)

:But the original image (current one) is better. And we don't have a ROTF image of Arcee (especially the combined form) like this one (current). --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 09:57, 6 December 2009 (EST)
::Not to mention it was the first body she used in any fictional appearance (Reign of Starscream). [[User:Eire]] 16.00 Dec 6 09 (UTC)
:::I just tought about this when i showed the page to my girlfriend who did not "get" the combining thingy of Arcee, and asked me who the robot as the main image is. Bare in mind, she only had seen both movies. I'm sure there are alot of people coming here who don't even know this body does exist.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 12:36, 6 December 2009 (EST)
::::I say keep the original. She appeared in it first. Just because the general public doesn't know that is no reason to ignore it. We are here for people to learn these things. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:42, 6 December 2009 (EST)
:::::Surely "the body the general public would know" (probably bodies for ROTF Arcee, plural, rather than a combined mode that wasn't shown in the movie) is the POINT of the mainpic - it's there for instant "yup, you're at the right page"-edness, and the pics further down are for "education". - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 12:56, 6 December 2009 (EST)
::::::The main pic usually works through the body first used in fiction ie how they looked in their original appearance. This is used because so many characters have multiple forms. It's not automatically the most recognisable, otherwise each article would be using an image representing the latest appearance of that character (eg Movie Megatron, Optimus Primal etc) [[User:Eire]] 18.00 Dec 6 09 (UTC)
:::Going back to Reign of Starscream, Arcee's a main character in that story, and pretty much a non-entity in ROTF. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 13:04, 6 December 2009 (EST)
::::The movie comics (total, adding together both Titan & IDW and setting "any story" as the main criterion rather than a specific one like RoS) have a audience of maybe a hundred thousand, tops. The movies themselves have an audience more along the lines of a hundred MILLION. As such, I think what is shown in the movie has just a mite higher recognition than the comics. - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 15:15, 6 December 2009 (EST)
::::Doesn't matter in the slightest. It's not about higher recognition, it's about the chronologically earliest form. The only real exception is the Fallen and that's because he is "The Big Villain" (I personally don't agree with it). Arcee is a nobody from nowhere who never did anything important outside of RoS. [[User:Eire]] 21.44 Dec 6 09 (UTC)
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/seibertron-interviews-arcee-bike-creator-will-kenefick-of-retrosbk/16671/ I posted this up above but in the wrong area so people probably didn't take note. so here it is all the various images of the three Arcee's are in this page. Use them as you see fit (if you can).2:39 pm Dec 26,2009

== Toy combiner ==

[[Chromia (ROTF)#Notes|Chromia's]] notes section makes it sound like there will be no instructions for combining the toys. Is that right? Will the toy combined mode be totally unofficial with no instructions, no bio, no tech specs, and no name of any kind? Is it even accurate to call the toys "combiners" at this point? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 13:46, 6 December 2009 (EST)
: What i think is that they will mention it in elita-1's instructions. So i think it's best to wait untill elita-1's instructions apear.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 14:00, 6 December 2009 (EST)
:: Even if they don't, they have mentioned it officially. Therefore, it is still official. It might only be true in some weird micro-continuity, but it is still true in some universe. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:41, 6 December 2009 (EST)

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