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Talk:Ejector

2009-11-24T07:09:27Z

96.41.212.94: /* Better to ask first than be rejected */ new section

I can't tell you how glorious it is that we have to disambiguate "Toaster" on this wiki.--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 22:08, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

:It made my morning. I went to check something on the MD website and-- "wait,t here's a new commercial? With ''more'' new characters?" -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:10, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

== Realgear or not realgear that's the question. ==

What differs between Toaster and Frenzy that make one a Real Gear, and the other not. Or has frenzy to be classified a Real Gear too? Or is Toaster in fact not a Real Gear? The debate is now open!

:Frenzy? Frenzy is a Decepticon from Cybertron. Real Gear Robots are Earth machines brought to life by the Allspark. I don't think Toaster belong in the RGR category, though. Even though I'd say it's likely that he ''is'' an Earth machine brought to life by the Allsaprk, we should only use the RGR category for the toyline. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:16, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

:Real Gear, for reasons previously stated on the [[Talk:Real Gear Robot]] page.
:Hardcore movie spoilers (i.e. reading the novelization) present a clearer picture why than readily apparent from the Real Gear Robots toy bio. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:18, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
::Since the number of people who are willing to spoil themselves just to check your work is going to be extremely limited, I'm not really okay with you having free reign over stuff like this for a month while we wait for the movie to come out so we can edit out all the Derik. I say put the novelization aside for now. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:25, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

:::Hrm... how to argue this without movie spoilers then...
:::Fine, I substitute the Real Gear Robot [[AX9-8946-09SU-1]] from the Sector 7 ARG (the one who killed [[James Farr]]) as a non-spoilery example of the phenomena. Unliving Earth hardware animated by the Allspark starts out as a feral killing machine. Toaster is thus one step along the path from AX9-8946-09SU-1 to the fully-mature, individualized RGR toy characters. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

::::Why must it be argued immediately? Can we not completely ignore the novelization and adaptation comic until the movie comes out, and only use other sources, such as the toyline, until then? If we end up wrong, then we can fix it when it's appropriate. Such is the way of a "living" resource. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 01:37, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

::::I would add "how do you know for a fact that Toaster was born on Earth, Derik?", seeing as [[Toaster|G1 Toaster]] was from Cybertron, but I don't want to see another string of spoilers added to this page. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 01:41, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I have been thinking along the lines of: While all "Real Gear Robots" are Earth machines brought to life by the Allpsark, not all Earth machines brought to life by the Allspark are necessarily "Real Gear Robots." That we should only label as Real Gears things that actually, officially have that label. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:27, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
:I understand that is your perspective, but the ''definition'' of RGR's given for the line is 'Machines animated by the Allspark.' '''minor''' spoiler below.
:In the movie we will (apparently) see a cell phone animated by the allspark. It is demonstrably not [[Speed Dial 800]]. But is SD800 ''is'' a RGR... why the hell isn't Unnamed Cell Phone #2 a RGR? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:35, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Various points:
#Unless there is another convenient term for "Earth machines brought to life by the AllSpark", I strongly disagree with restricting use of the term "Real Gear Robots" only to characters from the toyline. We need a term for it, and that one already exists and is official.
#We should not put characters into the RGR ''category'' unless we know they are RGRs. That means Toaster should not be categorized as one, at least until all the dust settles in a few months and we all have a much clearer picture of the continuity family.
#The article itself should ''state'' "He may be a RGR". Phrases like "most likely" or "probably" should be avoided. They don't add any meaning and are obviously contentious.
#Derik should stop re-adding the category unless he wants to get a temporary ban over it. Endless reverts against the consensus are uncool, no matter how strongly you feel about it. PacifistPrime's block was over something not much worse than this.
#Anybody who disagrees with any of the above is dumb.
--[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 01:39, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
:Generally speaking, anyone who disagrees with Steve-o is dumb. I tip my king on the issue- for a month until there is a better basis from which to reach an informed consensus. (Until everyone has seen the movie has a basis from which to judge the situation.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:47, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

== Name ==

Actually,he does have an official name. [http://benprocter.com/SITEv2/HTML/ZOOM_Trans/ZOOM_64.html His Designs] refer to him as "Toaster Bot" . I don't think it's worth moving the page,i'll add some redirects instead. [[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 18:49, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
:And now he's got an upcoming toy named "Ejector"! And... I'm mostly just pointing that out here to see if I can actually edit. Can't log in yet, though.... <--Thylacine 2000.
:::Sweet glory, yes! He's got a toy! A beautiful, beautiful toy![[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 18:36, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
::If what the coloring book suggests is true, then it would stand to reason that Ejector is a different toaster, just as Dispensor is a different Dewbot.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 20:00, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
:::No way. "Ejector" looks identical to "toaster bot" in the ROTF adaptation comic. He looks copied from the character model. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:07, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
::::But he's brought to life by the allspark shard right there. Toaster Bot here is shown to be operating out of the patsy's domicile way before that.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 15:14, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::He's still the same character. The same character can be portrayed differently in different pieces of fiction. (See [[Optimus Prime (G1)]].) Plus, do you know when the commercial happened? Maybe it was in the future! :) - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:40, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

==Plug==
Anybody got a more specific lead on the plug than I do? Am I correctly reading the toy as having the blades angled like [http://www.stayonline.com/reference-nema-straight-blade.aspx NEMA 10] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AS_3112 AS 3112], or does he follow all the Dualit toaster photos I've found in [http://www.powercords.co.uk/standard.htm BS 1363]? Is it possible he substitutes AS 3112 for the toaster's BS 1363 to align with China's use of the AS 3112 plugs? --[[Special:Contributions/128.208.43.92|128.208.43.92]] 02:56, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
:If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say he doesn't have a real plug at all. It's made up, to prevent any brilliant youngsters from trying to plug him in. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 08:55, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
::Now I want to try plugging him in to an AS 3112 and seeing if he fits. Sadly I have neither Ejector nor Australia. --[[Special:Contributions/128.208.43.92|128.208.43.92]] 04:50, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

==Trivia==
:1)someone removed the note that the consept of him could use his arms as nun-chucks, it's even on the art itself on the link on the botom of the page. 2) Please let the note "ejector is love" there...it means the world to me.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 15:33, 19 August 2009 (EDT)

== Better to ask first than be rejected ==

Although it's already referenced in the toy's description, I was wondering if it'd be all right to add at the bottom something like, "No, seriously. He's got a Tech Spec rating of 10 in Courage." It further relating to the Brave Little Toaster reference. --[[Special:Contributions/96.41.212.94|96.41.212.94]] 02:09, 24 November 2009 (EST)

Revelations Part II: Descent

2009-09-13T19:35:58Z

96.41.212.94: /* Animation/technical errors */ Just pointing out one of a few texture/model inconsistencies.

{{episode
|series=BMtoon
|ep=8
|title="Revelations Part II: Descent"
|image=Revelations2 Rattrap accesses Tankor.jpg
|caption=
|airdate=[[November 6]], 1999
|written by=[[Marv Wolfman]]
|directed by=[[William Lau]]
|production company=[[Mainframe Entertainment]]
|animation studio=[[Mainframe Entertainment]]
|continuty=[[Beast Wars continuity]]
}}
'''Cheetor and Rattrap make a surprising discovery about their missing memories and the identity of Tankor.'''

:''Japanese title:'' 友の記憶 (''Tomo no Kioku'', "Memory of a Friend")

==Synopsis==
A gazelle-like beast watches [[Optimus Primal]] swing from tree to tree in a mysterious forest, following a trail of floating [[Spark|Sparks]] towards their nexus, the [[Allspark]]. Suddenly, the Allspark vanishes, and Primal is suddenly restrained by vines. As he watches, the placid forest disappears, the trees and grass replaced by buildings and steel. Before him, the face of Megatron laughs triumphantly as the organic vines become technological.

[[Image:Revelations2 Optimus struggle.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Getting Optimus to take a bath was becoming increasingly difficult.]]
Optimus awakes, shaken. The dream is revealed to be an [[Vector Sigma|Oracle]]-induced vision. [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] explains that he was worried about his leader, as Primal was yelling and fearful. Primal rebukes him, saying that they should leave him alone no matter how worried they are. With Primal back in the Oracle, Cheetor takes over. Explaining to the Maximals that the Sparks of the [[Vehicon general|Vehicon generals]] are subverted Maximal sparks, he tells them that they must extract the sparks somehow and [[Reformatting|reformat]] them into other technorganic Maximals to help them accomplish their goal (whatever that may be).

Cheetor suggests going after [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]] first, as he is slower then the others (in both speed and mentality). [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] suggests going after Thrust (for [[Silverbolt (BW)|obvious reasons]]). However, she is the minority, so Tankor wins out. Cheetor splits them into two groups: [[Nightscream (BM)|Nightscream]] and [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] will distract [[Thrust (BM)|Thrust]] and [[Jetstorm (BM)|Jetstorm]], while he and [[Rattrap]] will (hopefully) extract Tankor's spark and place it in a new body.

The three Generals are entrenched at a spaceport, supervising work. Tankor is coordinating the loading of a spacecraft, Jetstorm supervises the defense from the sky, and Thrust... is doing something important too. Probably.

[[Image:Revelations2 Blackarachnia Thrust.jpg|right|200px|thumb|"I'll be dying in your arms tonight!"]]
Nightscream distracts the two latter Generals by destroying a building, prompting Jetstorm to give chase to the bat. Nightscream manages to escape and drains the [[Energon (fuel)|energon]] from Jetstorm's body, weakening the [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicon]]. Blackarachnia tries to talk to Thrust about his past identity, and he begins to experience flashbacks of prehistoric [[Earth]], seeing "Optimal" Optimus, Rhinox, Cheetor, and Blackarachnia (all in their final incarnations) looking at him.

At the docks, Rattrap distracts Tankor by throwing a bomb at him, irritating him enough to give chase. Cheetor [[Transform|transforms]] to robot mode and leaps from Drone to Drone as Tankor fires at him. Rattrap interfaces with a crane and knocks Tankor away into some crates. Rattrap then attempts to interface with his mind. After some effort he finally manages to access Tankor's past memories and break his own amnesia.

Rattrap discovers that Megatron broke free of the Shuttle in transwarp space, where he was sucked away, and remarks that "that was the last of him." Eventually, the team returned to Cybertron and was immediately shot down by orbiting satellites.

[[Image:Revelations2 Rattrap Cheetor Tankor.jpg|left|200px|thumb|"Tankor... is... running on Windows 98."]]
Rattrap takes a breather from watching these records and wonders why they all seem to be from his point of view. He then plugs back into Tankor's brain. He sees Cheetor (in his [[Transmetal|Transmetal 2]] form) and Primal (in "Optimal" configuration) escaping from tank drones. But the drones fire canisters that explode and release a [[Transformation virus|green gas]] that envelops the Maximals.

Rattrap watches the Transmetals revert to their pre-Transmetal beast modes, while Silverbolt remains in the same form but lies on the ground helplessly. Stranger, though, is that Rattrap sees ''himself'' reverting as well. He wonders why this is, if these are his own memories. But then he sees his reflection in an approaching tank drone, and the mirrored face is [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]]'s. Which means that Tankor is Rhinox!

[[Image:Revelations2 Blackarachnia spark.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Blackarachnia is attacked by the green floating ball from Heavy Metal.]]
As Thrust and Blackarachnia talk, Jetstorm (now strengthened) arrives, buries Nightscream under fallen rubble, and accuses Thrust of fraternizing with the "enemy". Thrust denies this, and Jetstorm puts pressure on him to remove Blackarachnia's spark. Grudgingly, Thrust shoots her, but is tackled by Nightscream before he gets a chance to extract her spark. Thrust and Nightscream fight, eventually detonating a nearby tank, causing Nightscream to become pinned under some bars. As the Maximal watches helplessly, Jetstorm extracts Blackarachnia's spark.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|h1=[[Maximal]]s|c1=
*[[Optimus Primal]] (1)
*[[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] (2)
*[[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] (3)
*[[Rattrap]] (4)
*[[Nightscream (BM)|Nightscream]] (5)

|h2=[[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicons]]|c2=
*[[Tank Drone|Tank Drones]] (6)
*[[Sonic Attack Jet|Sonic Attack Jets]] (7)
*[[Thrust (BM)|Thrust]] (8)
*[[Jetstorm (BM)|Jetstorm]] (9)
*[[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]] (10)

}}

==Quotes==
"If I'm ever to get to the heart of our quest, then it is vital that you leave me alone, no matter what you hear."
:—'''Optimus''' should at least give them a safe word.

"As of this moment, we are going on the offensive." 
"And who are we offending today?"
:—'''Cheetor''' and '''Blackarachnia'''

"Nice try! Someone need his targeting system recalibrated? Ha ha!"
:—'''Cheetor''', still a kid at heart, even as a leader.

"And it's a hard fly to left field. He's going, going...GONE!"
:—'''Cheetor''', again proving that he's a kid at heart.

"And I thought I got the ''easy'' job."
:—'''Rattrap''', riding on Tankor's back.

"These blasts! Gah! They're ''devolving'' us!"
:—'''Cheetor''', mastering the obvious.

==Notes==
* Technically, this would be the first appearance of Rhinox since his disappearance in ''Beast Machines'', albeit from Tankor's unlocked memories.
* While the Maximals ponder which Vehicon to attempt to free first, their images appear on a screen along with [[Cybertronix]] text saying "we the unwilling are led by the unknowing to do the impossible for the ungrateful," which is a quote from [[:wikipedia:Mother Teresa|Mother Teresa]].

===Animation/technical errors===
*When grappling with Optimus after his dream, Cheetor's feet clip into the floor.
*When Thrust shows up during Nightscream and Blackarachnia's distraction, he's misrepresented by one of his drones. (Note the hands. Thrust's are yellow, drones' are purple.)

===Continuity errors===
*We never discover what the [[Tank Drone]]s are loading onto the spacecraft or why. Sure seems to be important, though.
*Although the Maximals' [[Transmetal]] modes seem to be powerful enough to injure and occasionally kill other sentient Cybertronians, and their vehicle forms seem to be extremely fast, there seems to be no evidence of the Maximals putting up a fight against the Vehicons, nor evidence of them using vehicle modes to escape.
*Not so much an error, but certainly an ''ambiguity'', is that the nature of the green gas and its relationship to the [[Transformation virus|virus]] are unclear at best. Those who were "devolved" (probably better put as "de-Transmetallized") were also spared the immediate paralytic effect of the virus. But Silverbolt was one of the fully-paralyzed victims, despite the fact that he ''did'' have Transmetal qualities (as evidenced by his immunity to the [[Metal Hunter]]'s weapon). Perhaps, as a [[Fuzor]] with no previous body upgrades, he simply wasn't Transmetal ''enough'' to resist the virus. Ultimately, there are no clear answers.
*Blackarachnia isn't seen escaping the Vehicons, though she is briefly seen aboard the shuttle. It is likely that she immediately fled underground after the Maximals run away (as indicated by [[The Reformatting|the first episode]]), but not before being hit by the virus.

{{DEFAULTSORT:Revelations part 2}}
[[Category:Beast Machines episodes]]

Talk:Mercenary Pursuits

2009-09-13T06:42:10Z

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"Full metal jacket" refers to a bullet clad in a copper alloy; the movie was named for that. Rattrap is thus not necessarily referring to the movie. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:35, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
:Given how many classic rock songs are ref'd during the course of Beast Machines, I'd say it's likely. Even if not, it's worth noting, since it's a play on words and a real-world reference either way. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 15:10, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
::I would have no problem with a note about how FMJ refers to copper-clad bullets. Howver, saying it refers to the Kubrick movie is sheer speculation, and is misleading as to where the phrase originally comes from. (It's like saying "something wicked this way comes" is necessarily a Bradbury reference.) [[User:JW|JW]] 15:15, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:::It's far from "sheer speculation"; I would wager the movie is far better known among the general public than the phrase it takes its title from. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 07:54, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
::::If you can provide a cite as to the writers' intentions, ''or'' a cite that establishes that the general public first thinks of the 20-year-old movie when they hear the phrase, I'll be content. Otherwise you are just guessing/speculating/wagering on both of those points. [[User:JW|JW]] 11:58, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Try Googling it and see what you get. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 15:05, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::"full metal jacket" +kubrick, 568,000
::::::"full metal jacket" -kubrick, 3,910,000
::::::"full metal jacket" +movie, 2,000,000
::::::"full metal jacket" -movie, 2,770,000
::::::"full metal jacket" +vietnam, 381,000
::::::"full metal jacket" -vietnam, 4,000,000
::::::The searches that specifically ''include'' the movie ''always'' return fewer results than those that specifically ''exclude'' the movie.
::::::Repowers, I understand where you're coming from. But, the fact that the phrase "full metal jacket" makes ''you'' think of the movie, doesn't prove anything about what the writers had in mind. If you can provide something more concrete, I'll be happy to edit the ref back in. (E.g., we feel pretty confident that [[Playback]] was named for the Raymond Chandler novel, because the only story he appeared in was ''also'' named for a Raymond Chandler novel. Are there any other Kubrick references in this episode?) [[User:JW|JW]] 15:58, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Y'know, rather than continuing to argue about it (and point out that the whole point of Google is that it front-loads popular and well-known sites in its search results), I'm just gonna come up with what I hope is an acceptable compromise edit. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 16:53, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::You need to clean that up a bit, but [shrug] I can live with it. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:04, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

== Incorrect Character Model/Texture ==

I recently rewatched this episode, and noticed at least one instance of the animators using the wrong vehicon model/texture. The instance for this episode that comes to mind would be during the Jetstorm vs. Thrust scenes, after Thrust gets thrown into the side of a building, you'll notice that Thrust is textured like a standard bike drone. --[[Special:Contributions/96.41.212.94|96.41.212.94]] 02:42, 13 September 2009 (EDT)