Atechnogenesis

2011-04-11T13:24:00Z

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[[Image:Pulleys.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Scientists think they know everything.]]
'''Atechnogenesis'''<ref>Term first appeared in Dreamwave's 2004 Generation 1 ''[[More Than Meets The Eye (G1)|More Than Meets The Eye]]'' guidebook, p483</ref> is the secular scientific explanation that life on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] sprang up through the naturally-occurring interaction of gears, levers, and pulleys.<ref>This phrase dates from 1984's Marvel ''Transformers'' US #1, the first Transformers story ever published.</ref>

The strict scientific rationalism of atechnogenesis rejects traditional religious claims that [[Primus]] is the source of all life on Cybertron, and much of the ancient doctrine surrounding the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]].

==Notes==
*The [[Quintesson]]s are an example of a species that came about by the evolution of mechanical life.<ref>"Mechanical life has long since evolved in segments of the cosmos--existing alongside organic life." "This [a Quintesson ship] is a spacecraft of one such mechanical race--" {{storylink|The Big Broadcast of 2006 (issue)|The Big Broadcast of 2006 (US)}}</ref>

*Japan actually developed a much more detailed Atechnogenesis origin for Cybertronic life in one of its pre-movie magazine supliments. <ref>[http://www.allspark.com/content/view/8707/37/ Translated on the Allspark]</ref> Probably the most serious, adult rendering of the concept ever.

==See Also==
* [[Transformer|Transformer origin]]

==References==
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==External links==
* [http://www.shortpacked.com/blog/comic/book-3-is-totally-gay/06-sdcc-2006-sketches/atheist/ Atechnogenesis defined and mocked (not official)]

[[Category:Generation 1 history]]
[[Category:Religion]]

Talk:Transformers: Exodus

2011-03-31T18:58:34Z

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== Synopsis ==

There's been some more [http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/display.pperl/9780345519856.html info] posted up about the novel. How much of it should go in here (quoted or referenced)? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 13:14, 25 March 2010 (EDT)
: That's the exact same information that's on the Amazon link. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:17, 25 March 2010 (EDT)
::Indeed - a link which was only updated to include said synopsis today. My question still stands - how should the new information regarding the novel's plot be added to the synopsis here (as a direct quote, or a re-write)? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 13:21, 25 March 2010 (EDT)

This has probably been discussed elsewhere, but--why are we calling this "Exodus" and not "Transformers: Exodus"? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 22:07, 24 May 2010 (EDT)
:The "Transformers:" part is routinely left of of article titles just to shorten them. It is usually used on the page itself. I'll fix that. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:17, 24 May 2010 (EDT)

== Spoilers? ==

This is out in stores now, and I'm reading it. Looks like there's gonna be a LOT to add. So are we doing anytype of spoiler wait on it or should we just start adding things here and on other pages?
:Spoiler warnings, of course. Since half the fandom will be at BotCon this week, there should some waiting to give people a chance to read it.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 14:25, 22 June 2010 (EDT)

== G1 ==
This comic is COMPLETELY different than than the war for cybertron storyline which is a direct prequel to G1. {{unsigned|98.204.17.1}}
:Yes, it is; no, it isn't; and we already know. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:20, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
: War for Cybertron is not a direct prequel to G1. Half Moon Studios likes to say it is, but that's because they want to sell video games. For example, they've specifically said that the video game ends right when the original cartoon begins, which is impossible on so many levels. I mean, we have the Aerialbots existing four million years before they were born! We have Jetfire as an Autobot hanging out on Cybertron when he should be encased in ice on Earth as a Decepticon! We have the entire war taking place, from Optimus becoming Prime to the Transformers leaving the planet, over a short series of interconnected levels instead of over 5 million years! "This video game takes place before the cartoon" was clearly marketing speak for the casual fan, not something that would hold up to scrutiny. (Same as their "we've never seen Cybertron before!" crap.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:22, 5 July 2010 (EDT)

== Character info box ==

Doesn't this article need one? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:10, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

== "Compromise"? ==
Okay, Alientraveller, I would kindly like to see your explanation for how it ISN'T an error to refer to "Autobot Seekers" as a plural and then say there's only one of them ''within the same page''. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 10:28, 24 August 2010 (EDT)
:It's a written error rather than a continuity error. With the starting mention of Autobot Seekers, it uses the definition of Seeker in the novels' original term for Cybertronian fliers, in this those later defined as Aerialbots. Then it mentions Jetfire as the sole defector of the Seekers, in that case referring to them as a now Decepticon subfaction. So clumsy yes, but unlike the other errors there's a good explanation, so I'll change the heading. I also apologise for using compromise in the wrong way, because I ought to have checked if you were pleased, and as I can tell you still disagree. I also hope you're not thinking I'm trying to cover up errors or anything, I loved the novel but even I added some while dispensing with other supposed errors.
:Would this phrasing work? ''"All of the Seekers [as a pre-civil war air force] loyal to the Autobots were out on patrol.... The sole exception, Jetfire, the sole Seeker [as a group of Decepticon fliers] to have defected to the Autobots..."'' (p.204). [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 11:05, 24 August 2010 (EDT)

== Sequel? ==

Does a [http://twitter.com/alexirvine/status/50212315857035264# "tweet" by Alex Irvine] count as confirmation of the sequel to ''Exodus''?
<br>[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 12:25 AM, 29 March 2011 A.D.
:There's been more than a tweet thus far... thus why we already have [[Exiles|an article]] for the sequel book. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:31, 29 March 2011 (EDT)
::I was about to respong by saying that there was no mention of it on the page for ''Exodus'', but then I saw the arrow. As you can see, sleepiness causes stupidity. I shall now bed and leave this wiki to those whose homes are still in daylight.
::- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 2:22 AM, 29 March 2011 A.D.

== Compare/Contrast with WFC and others ==

Took me three months, but [http://forum.unicron.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1003 here you go] (mirrored [http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/exodus-vs-t75090.php here] too). Might be of some use (or least interest) to some of the Wiki users here. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 13:46, 31 March 2011 (EDT)
Some of your info is vague enough to be misleeding, Characterizing G1 Shockwave based only on the Toon, When his comic portrayle was mor prominent and very different. For instance. --[[Special:Contributions/99.109.23.205|99.109.23.205]] 14:58, 31 March 2011 (EDT)

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