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Scrapper (G1)

2009-03-17T00:05:08Z

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{{disambig3|Scrapper}}

:''Scrapper is a [[Decepticon]] [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]] from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Scrapper1.jpg|right|275px|thumb|"By my own standards, Metroplex is the awesomest thing ever."]]

'''Scrapper''' is the engineer of the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]]s. While the other Constructicons put their masterpieces together, Scrapper is the one who designs everything for them. His designs are among the best in Transformer history, however, Scrapper is a modest Decepticon who quickly shrugs off the praise he receives. In that respect he is the polar-opposite of his frequent second in command, [[Hook]], who is an egomaniacal glory-hound.

Though modest, Scrapper is still a total nutcase. One of his favorite artistic liberties with his designs involves taking living [[Autobot]]s and using them as raw materials. This vicious act is something [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] finds admirable, as he considers Scrapper the most valuable of the Constructicons.

:''Hungarian name:'' '''Boxoló'''
:''French-Canadian name'': '''Bricolo''' 
:''Portuguese name (Portugal comic)'': Despedaçador
:''Portuguese name (Brazil comic)'': Retalhador
:''Italian name'': '''Ringhio'''

==Fiction==
===Cartoon continuity===
[[Image:Scrapperg1cartoon.jpg|left|thumb|150px|My continuity makes me dizzy.]]
:''Voice actor:'' [[Michael Bell]] (US), [[Toshio Ishii]] (Japan)

Scrapper, who was evil, helped build Megatron. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness}} Later, Megatron used the [[Robo-Smasher]] to make Scrapper, who was good, evil. {{storylink|The Secret of Omega Supreme}} Finally, Megatron built Scrapper. {{storylink|Heavy Metal War}} It all makes sense.

Regardless of all that, Scrapper and the Constructicons were active among the Decepticon forces on Earth in 1984. They attempted to infiltrate Autobot headquarters to destroy the Autobot computer Teletraan I, but failed and ended up having a lava bath. Heavy Metal War The Constructicons were later vital in transforming New York City into the Decepticon city of "New Cybertron", and in the process Scrapper got to recycle Optimus Prime into a robotic alligator. {{storylink|City of Steel}}

The Constructicons later built a drill leading into Earth's core, in order for Megatron to tap its energy. While working on it, Scrapper had a dominator disc snuck onto him by Sunstreaker, allowing the Autobots to control the Constructicons when merged into Devastator. The combiner fought his fellow Decepticons for a while before the discs were overloaded and they returned to normal. Scrapper then provided a peptalk for his team before they saved the Earth from their own drill, which had gone out of control. {{storylink|The Core}}
[[Image:MasterBuilders_Scrapple.jpg|right|thumb|200px|"Truly you are a master of structural engineering, Grapple. I could never hold up a map with a stump for a hand."]]

At one point, Scrapper convinced Hoist and Grapple that the Constructicons wanted to aid the two Autobots in a construction project to build a solar tower. Scrapper claimed to have admired Grapple's work back on Cybertron. When Megatron found out, the Constructicons had to explain (at gunpoint) that they were still loyal to him, and once the tower was completed they would turn it over to him. The plan initially succeeded, but the tower was soon destroyed in a battle between the Autobots and Devastator. {{storylink|The Master Builders}}

Later, when the other Decepticons began to suffer from Cybertonium degeneration, Scrapper and the Constructicon worked fine. They took delivery of a shipment of the mineral via the space bridge, and failed to stop Spike Witwicky and Carly from getting by them and traveling to Cybertron. Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 1 When faced with the mighty Omega Supreme, long out for revenge against the Constructicons, Scrapper repeatedly taunted and insulted him. In return, Omega Supreme beat the slag out of Devastator, but couldn't finish the job due to a surprise visit from an asteroid bird alien. {{storylink|The Secret of Omega Supreme}}
[[Image:MakeTracks_Scrapper_sword.jpg|left|thumb|150px|"I dub thee Drone #24601. Now rise up and go forth in Megatron's name!"]]

When the Constructicons were tasked with building a drone army out of human cars, Scrapper was seen slicing the machines apart with a sword. Make Tracks Scrapper's nasty side was later shown when he worked under Blitzwing, who had temporarily overthrown Megatron. Scrapper used the remains of damaged Autobots to make a throne for himself... nasty! {{storylink|Triple Takeover}}

Scrapper and Constructicons were part of the Decepticon forces during the great battle of Autobot City in 2005, and Devastator was integral in breaching the city's defenses. However, Megatron was defeated and the Decepticons were forced to retreat onboard Astrotrain. Megatron was subsequently thrown out into space, and Scrapper wasted no time in nominating his Constructicons to be the next Decepticon leaders. Soundwave and his cassettes disagreed, and within minutes every Decepticon in the ship was fighting the rest for that precious leadership position. Starscream won out in the end, and the Constructicons provided music during his coronation (Scrapper doesn't let minor things such as mouthplates get in his way of playing the trumpet). {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}

In the remainder of 2005 and throughout the following year, Scrapper and the Constructicons maintained a smaller, but still present, role in the Decepticon army, lending their talents to the Decepticon/Quintesson alliance by constructing Trypticon out of a populated human city in only one night. FFOD, Part 4 Later, they built a planetary engine on an asteroid and battled on the planet Eurythma, Carnage in C-Minor aided in the overthrow of Paradron Fight or Flee and took part in an attack on Japan. The Burden Hardest to Bear Although brief, the Constructicons even played a part in the battle for the Plasma Energy Chamber in 2007, seen firing on Autobots with the Terrorcons. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 3}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
{{noteukonly}}

{{note|Scrapper doesn't appear to be the leader of the Constructicons in most if any of his appearances. In the Constructicons' origin story, [[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]] seems to be in charge. Later, during "Totaled!", [[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]] is named as their leader. To further complicate things, Mixmaster was identified as the leader in an alternate future.}}

[[Image:Constructiconsbornmarvel.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Scrapper is the green and purple one.]]Early in the Transformers' war on [[Earth]], [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] used the stolen power of the [[Creation Matrix]] to give life to the first of a new generation of Decepticon warriors, the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]]s. Scrapper and the other Constructicons were immediately given a mission upon their coming online -- construct a communications tower to transmit a message to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. A truckstop was raided for raw materials, which attracted the ire of trucker [[Bomber Bill]], who, with the aid of the [[Autobot]]s, managed to destroy the tower Scrapper and the other Constructicons had built. {{storylink|The Next Best Thing to Being There!}}

''Scrapper and the Constructicons, after troubleshooting their union as [[Devastator]], were sent by Shockwave to abduct [[Buster Witwicky]]. Their attack was called off to regroup when [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] discovered Buster held the rest of the Creation Matrix in his head. {{storylink|Devastation Derby!}}''

After [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron's]] retaking of Decepticon command, Scrapper and the other Constructicons were charged with building perimeter defences around their headquarters located at the base of a coal strip mine in eastern [[Wyoming]]. Devastator's services were again required when the Autobots staged a surprise attack, but they retreated once they had what they needed. {{storylink|Command Performances!}}

During [[Ratbat]]'s command, an attack was ordered on the combined Autobot forces on Earth's [[moon (moon)|moon]] while [[Blaster]] and [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] dueled for leadership. Under cover of battle, Scrapper and the other Constructicons retrieved the remains of several fallen and captured Decepticons. {{storylink|Totaled!}}

=====Earthforce=====
{{earthforcefiction}}

Scrapper worked for Megatron during the Earthforce saga, as did most of his fellow Constructicons. He was first seen telling stories to [[Mixmaster]] in the hallway while [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] was mentally searching for traitors...and blackmail information. {{storylink|Secrets!}} He later joined the united Decepticons in an ill-fated strike against Autobot Earthbase. {{storylink|Divide and Conquer!}}

=====Marvel UK future timelines=====

''In 2008, Scrapper was briefly seen with a Decepticon strike team on-board [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]], just before they were attacked from out of nowhere by the [[Quintesson]]s. He didn't say much, but that's probably because he was still pissed that, in the future, the Constructicons think Mixmaster is a better leader than him. He thinks that's crazy. Get it? Get it? {{storylink|Space Pirates!}}''

{{note|The following two sections both split off from the end of the Generation 1 comic, but in different, irreconcilable directions.}}

====Generation 2====
Scrapper and [[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]] helped construct a thermal bomb perimeter around the Autobot/Decepticon encampment which was entrenched on Earth awaiting arrival of the [[Swarm]]. {{storylink|A Rage in Heaven!}}

====Classics====
{{noteukonly}}

[[Image:Scrappercrossingover.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Finally, Scrapper gets some "facetime."]]
In the fifteen years since the battle on Klo, Megatron was resurrected and had reclaimed portions of his previous army, including Scrapper and the other Constructicons. When the Decepticon [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]] mysteriously appeared and claimed to be from another timeline, his body was scrutinized by [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and Scrapper. Scrapper's research led him to believe Landquake was telling the truth, noting that study of [[Unicron]] pointed towards the existence of parallel worlds and that Landquake's makeup was unlike any Transformer construction he was familiar with.

Furthermore, he announced to Megatron that an anomaly in [[South America]] radiated identical wavelengths as Landquake, something that might merit further inspection. Scrapper's only mistake was suggesting the hypothetical help of Shockwave would be appreciated, resulting in violence upon his person from Megatron. Regardless, Megatron agreed that the anomaly demanded his attention, and while Scrapper was instructed to pry deeper into Landquake's energon readings, the Decepticon commander accompanied the rest of his troops to South America. {{storylink|Crossing Over, Part 2}}

{{note|Events from the [[Keepers Trilogy]] novels are in italics.}}
===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:Scrappertww.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Construction vehicles are green on Cybertron, too.]]
Nine million years ago, a young [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] staged a Decepticon uprising and sieged [[Iacon]] to smokescreen his true designs. Long-buried planetary engines from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s similarly buried past were to be refitted by Scrapper and his Constructicons in order to convert their planet into a galaxy-faring war world. While Megatron had gone briefly missing during battle, Scrapper was ordered by [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] to accelerate the process, despite the Constructicon's misgivings. Their hasty actions could tear the planet apart! In the end, Starscream gave Scrapper a choice: mechaform Iacon, or get mechaformed by [[Motormaster]]. As Scrapper predicted, the region went under a major upheavel, and he and the other Transformers in the area were forced to abandon their work as everything exploded. {{storylink|The War Within}}

The war entered a dark age when both [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and Megatron were presumed lost forever in a space bridge accident. During this time, the technology of combining (and thus Devastator himself) was invented, but Devastator and other super robots were declared non-allied by the [[Crisis Intervention Accord]] to stave off an arms race that would escalate the war to frightening levels. Despite this, [[Ratbat]]'s [[Ultracon]]s secretly enlisted Scrapper and his Constructicons. {{storylink|The War Within: The Dark Ages}}

Millions of years later, after a subset of the Transformers war awoke on [[Earth]] in 1984, the Constructicons somehow found their way from Cybertron to Earth. They were defeated along with the other Decepticons in 1999, and subsequently buried for years in a shuttle explosion. When they awoke in 2002, the Constructicons combined into Devastator and rampaged [[San Francisco]]. Optimus Prime shot them in the head. {{storylink|Prime Directive}}

''After their defeat in California, the Constructicons were secretly rebuilt by Starscream, and Devastator became his personal enforcer after Megatron was kidnapped by the alien Keepers, leaving Decepticon leadership up for grabs. Scrapper and many of the other Decepticons joined Starscream on a venture to assume control over the human city of [[Las Vegas]]. Their occupation was interrupted by a renegade human army and a trio of Autobots: [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]]. Scrapper prepared for their invasion by booby-trapping a Michelin Tire Store. When that turned out to be a dumb idea, he decided to just shoot at the Autobots instead. Scrapper was taken out fast during the fight, however, when Grimlock knocked him into a pool of molten slag created by Mixmaster's chemical powers. The acidic heat knocked him off-line, and Scrapper had to be dragged to safety by his partners. {{storylink|Hardwired}}

''Megatron eventually returned to Earth, but Scrapper and the Constructicons owed Starscream for reconstructing them, and so remained loyal to him when the Decepticons split into two factions. Of course, this only meant they were among the first to be captured by the Keepers when those aliens took over Las Vegas and turned Starscream into their puppet. Trapped behind an impenetrable force dome, Scrapper and the Constructicons attempted to batter their way out as Devastator using sheer brute force, until [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] offered a better idea. Reconverting into their separate modes, the Constructicons dug a tunnel out beneath the force field, enabling Starscream's faction to join the final battle against the Keepers. Acting as Devastator, they were too far away from [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and his [[Matrix]]-induced force shield when the American nuclear assault was dropped on the Keepers, and were blasted into pieces. {{storylink|Annihilation}}

''The nuclear blast left Devastator fused into his singular robot mode, leaving him unable to split back into Scavenger and his other components. Eventually, Devastator fell into the Void along with [[Omega Sentinel (G1)|Omega Sentinel]] in the final conflict with the Keepers, and was left in stasis lock, drifting in the vacuum of space, after the Sentinel destroyed the Keepers' power source and shattered the Void back into real space-time. The starship ''[[Bounty]]'', on a secret space mission from Earth, came across Devastator's remains and planned to tow him back to Earth. {{storylink|Fusion}}''

The pieces of Scrapper and the Constructicons fell under the control of [[Earth Defense Command]] and were held in their Roswell facility for study. {{storylink|Generation One issue 0}}

===Devil's Due ''G.I. Joe vs the Transformers'' continuity===
[[Image:Scrapperdevilsdue.jpg|right|thumb|100px|Scrapper calls Mindbender on a [http://www.nhl.com/rules/rule44.html hockey foul.]]]
The ruthless terrorist organization known as [[Cobra]] dug dozens of Autobots and Decepticons out of their four-million-year resting place and began rebuilding them into a Cobra-controlled army. However, with [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]]'s help, the mind-controlled Transformers were awakened, and the very cheesed-off Constructicons, including Scrapper, descended upon their previous captor, [[Dr. Mindbender]].

Their surroundings were soon under attack by Autobot and [[G.I. Joe]] forces, requiring Scrapper and the other Constructicons to combine into Devastator. Ultimately, Devastator was brutally defeated after the Decepticon fatally wounded [[Hound (G1)|Hound]], sending the fallen Autobot's friends into a berserker rage. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers}}

===IDW comics continuity===
[[Image:Scrapperburns.jpg|left|thumb|150px|But seriously, folks—*Boom!*]]
Scrapper and his team of Constructicons were apparently put out of work due to the labor shortages masterminded by [[Ratbat]]. Rather than sitting idly by and collecting roboto-unemployment checks, the Constructicons became involved with the illegal fighting ring operating in [[Kaon]], dedicating their talents to creating a combat arena quickly at each new site of the tournaments, modifying scrap on hand for their needs. Scrapper witnessed firsthand the level of brutality Megatron could reach outside the ring when he executed the Autobot surveyers [[Fastback]] and [[Bumper (G1)|Bumper]]. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 2}}

A year after Megatron arrived on Earth, the Constructicons arrived as well. When they transformed before human observers in [[New York City]], Scrapper told the humans that they were aliens from another world who had come to spread a message of peace and unity. A confused Hook looked at Scrapper, then they shared a laugh and proceeded to kill things. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 1}}

==Toys==
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===Generation 1===
* '''Scrapper''' (Constructicon, 1985)
: ''Team ID number:'' '''3'''
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''33'''
[[Image:Scrapper_toy.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Instructions for robot mode: Stand up, flip out legs, tilt back scoop. GEEWUN FOREVER!]]

* '''Constructicon''' (Constructicon, 1992)
: This European-exclusive version of Scrapper was yellow, but with the darker purple from the original toy instead of the lighter Generation 2 shade, a grey canopy, and came with no Devastator parts. This toy was also not officially named, as he came on a card shared by the other Constructicons.

===Generation 2===
* '''Scrapper''' (Constructicon, 1993)

: The complete set of Constructicons were re-released and [[redeco]]ed as part of the first assortments of ''[[Generation 2]]'' products. The first—and seemingly more common—versions were yellow like the previous European release, but lacked the gray plastics, had brighter purple parts, had the "DECEPTICON" [[tampograph]]s on each one somewhere, and—most importantly—came with all the Devastator bits.

: A later and seemingly less common run changed the yellow plastics to rich orange. It has been rumored that this release was only available in Kay-Bee stores, but not verified.

===Classics===
[[Image:Scrapperclassics.jpg|right|thumb|175px|His bio says he's a "quiet psycho." Charming!]]

*'''Constructicon Devastator''' (Wal-Mart exclusive, 2007)

:"Decepticon Scrapper" is one of the five toys included in this Wal-Mart exclusive giftset. He's a grey and black [[redeco]] of ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'' [[Bonecrusher (Energon)|Bonecrusher]] and [[Sledge (Energon)|Sledge]] with green and purple trim and translucent purple accessories.

===Merchandise===
* '''Scrapper''' (Decoy, 1987)

==Trivia==
* Scrapper's toy has a third mode, formed by sticking the purple "wing" that forms Devastator's chestplate on top of Scrapper's payloader mode. As his [[Transformers Universe (Marvel_comic)|Marvel Universe]] entry notes, this allows him to fly at 60 mph over a range of 250 miles, although Scrapper rarely, if ever, displays this ability.
* Despite being the (nominal) leader of the Constructicons, Scrapper forms one of Devastator's legs, rather than his head and/or body. This contradicts the pattern established with most subsequent Transformers combining teams.
* It is unknown what relationship, if any, exists between Scrapper and the ''[[Universe]]'' [[Micromaster]] Constructicon [[Buckethead]], who appears to have replaced Scrapper in that incarnation of the Constructicons.
* In recent years, toys sporting the name "Scrapper" require an additional "Decepticon" prefix for [[trademark]] reasons, hence making the official name "'''Decepticon Scrapper'''".

==External links==
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* [http://www.tfu.info/1985/Decepticon/Scrapper/scrapper.htm Scrapper at TFU.info]
* [http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Scrapper Scrapper's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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Tankor (disambiguation)

2009-03-16T23:43:36Z

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The name '''Tankor''' has been applied to several Transformers characters.

*[[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]] the [[Vehicon]] General tank and leader of the [[Tank Drone]]s from ''[[Beast Machines]]'' or the [[Decepticon]] alternate-universe incarnation of ''Beast Machines'' Tankor from ''[[Universe]]''.

*[[Tankor (Micromaster)|Tankor]] the [[Autobot]] [[Micromaster]] [[Railbot]] bullet train from ''Universe''.

*[[Tankor (Cybertron)|Tankor]] the Autobot-allied [[Mini-Con]] missile tank from ''[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]''.

*[[Octane|Tankor]], the ''[[Generation 1]]'' [[Decepticon]] better known as "Octane".

{{disambig}}

Tankor (disambiguation)

2009-03-16T23:43:20Z

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{{bookworm}}
The name '''Tankor''' has been applied to several Transformers characters.

*[[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]] the [[Vehicon]] General tank and leader of the [[Tank Drone]]s from ''[[Beast Machines]]'' or the [[Decepticon]] alternate-universe incarnation of ''Beast Machines'' Tankor from ''[[Universe]]''.

*[[Tankor (Micromaster)|Tankor]] the [[Autobot]] [[Micromaster]] [[Railbot]] bullet train from ''Universe''.

*[[Tankor (Cybertron)|Tankor]] the Autobot-allied [[Mini-Con]] missile tank from ''[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]''.

*[[Octane|Tankor]], the ''[[Generation 1]]'' [[Decepticon]] better known as "Octane".

{{disambig}}

Scrapper (G1)

2009-03-16T23:41:24Z

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{{disambig3|Scrapper}}

:''Scrapper is a [[Decepticon]] [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]] from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Scrapper1.jpg|right|275px|thumb|"By my own standards, Metroplex is the awesomest thing ever."]]

'''Scrapper''' is the engineer of the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]]s. While the other Constructicons put their masterpieces together, Scrapper is the one who designs everything for them. His designs are among the best in Transformer history, however, Scrapper is a modest Decepticon who quickly shrugs off the praise he receives. In that respect he is the polar-opposite of his frequent second in command, [[Hook]], who is an egomaniacal glory-hound.

Though modest, Scrapper is still a total nutcase. One of his favorite artistic liberties with his designs involves taking living [[Autobot]]s and using them as raw materials. This vicious act is something [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] finds admirable, as he considers Scrapper the most valuable of the Constructicons.

:''Hungarian name:'' '''Boxoló'''
:''French-Canadian name'': '''Bricolo''' 
:''Portuguese name (Portugal comic)'': Despedaçador
:''Portuguese name (Brazil comic)'': Retalhador
:''Italian name'': '''Ringhio'''

==Fiction==
===Cartoon continuity===
[[Image:Scrapperg1cartoon.jpg|left|thumb|150px|My continuity makes me dizzy.]]
:''Voice actor:'' [[Michael Bell]] (US), [[Toshio Ishii]] (Japan)

Scrapper, who was evil, helped build Megatron. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness}} Later, Megatron used the [[Robo-Smasher]] to make Scrapper, who was good, evil. {{storylink|The Secret of Omega Supreme}} Finally, Megatron built Scrapper. {{storylink|Heavy Metal War}} It all makes sense.

Regardless of all that, Scrapper and the Constructicons were active among the Decepticon forces on Earth in 1984. They attempted to infiltrate Autobot headquarters to destroy the Autobot computer Teletraan I, but failed and ended up having a lava bath. Heavy Metal War The Constructicons were later vital in transforming New York City into the Decepticon city of "New Cybertron", and in the process Scrapper got to recycle Optimus Prime into a robotic alligator. {{storylink|City of Steel}}

The Constructicons later built a drill leading into Earth's core, in order for Megatron to tap its energy. While working on it, Scrapper had a dominator disc snuck onto him by Sunstreaker, allowing the Autobots to control the Constructicons when merged into Devastator. The combiner fought his fellow Decepticons for a while before the discs were overloaded and they returned to normal. Scrapper then provided a peptalk for his team before they saved the Earth from their own drill, which had gone out of control. {{storylink|The Core}}
[[Image:MasterBuilders_Scrapple.jpg|right|thumb|200px|"Truly you are a master of structural engineering, Grapple. I could never hold up a map with a stump for a hand."]]

At one point, Scrapper convinced Hoist and Grapple that the Constructicons wanted to aid the two Autobots in a construction project to build a solar tower. Scrapper claimed to have admired Grapple's work back on Cybertron. When Megatron found out, the Constructicons had to explain (at gunpoint) that they were still loyal to him, and once the tower was completed they would turn it over to him. The plan initially succeeded, but the tower was soon destroyed in a battle between the Autobots and Devastator. {{storylink|The Master Builders}}

Later, when the other Decepticons began to suffer from Cybertonium degeneration, Scrapper and the Constructicon worked fine. They took delivery of a shipment of the mineral via the space bridge, and failed to stop Spike Witwicky and Carly from getting by them and traveling to Cybertron. Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 1 When faced with the mighty Omega Supreme, long out for revenge against the Constructicons, Scrapper repeatedly taunted and insulted him. In return, Omega Supreme beat the slag out of Devastator, but couldn't finish the job due to a surprise visit from an asteroid bird alien. {{storylink|The Secret of Omega Supreme}}
[[Image:MakeTracks_Scrapper_sword.jpg|left|thumb|150px|"I dub thee Drone #24601. Now rise up and go forth in Megatron's name!"]]

When the Constructicons were tasked with building a drone army out of human cars, Scrapper was seen slicing the machines apart with a sword. Make Tracks Scrapper's nasty side was later shown when he worked under Blitzwing, who had temporarily overthrown Megatron. Scrapper used the remains of damaged Autobots to make a throne for himself... nasty! {{storylink|Triple Takeover}}

Scrapper and Constructicons were part of the Decepticon forces during the great battle of Autobot City in 2005, and Devastator was integral in breaching the city's defenses. However, Megatron was defeated and the Decepticons were forced to retreat onboard Astrotrain. Megatron was subsequently thrown out into space, and Scrapper wasted no time in nominating his Constructicons to be the next Decepticon leaders. Soundwave and his cassettes disagreed, and within minutes every Decepticon in the ship was fighting the rest for that precious leadership position. Starscream won out in the end, and the Constructicons provided music during his coronation (Scrapper doesn't let minor things such as mouthplates get in his way of playing the trumpet). {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}

In the remainder of 2005 and throughout the following year, Scrapper and the Constructicons maintained a smaller, but still present, role in the Decepticon army, lending their talents to the Decepticon/Quintesson alliance by constructing Trypticon out of a populated human city in only one night. FFOD, Part 4 Later, they built a planetary engine on an asteroid and battled on the planet Eurythma, Carnage in C-Minor aided in the overthrow of Paradron Fight or Flee and took part in an attack on Japan. The Burden Hardest to Bear Although brief, the Constructicons even played a part in the battle for the Plasma Energy Chamber in 2007, seen firing on Autobots with the Terrorcons. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 3}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
{{noteukonly}}

{{note|Scrapper doesn't appear to be the leader of the Constructicons in most if any of his appearances. In the Constructicons' origin story, [[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]] seems to be in charge. Later, during "Totaled!", [[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]] is named as their leader. To further complicate things, Mixmaster was identified as the leader in an alternate future.}}

[[Image:Constructiconsbornmarvel.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Scrapper is the green and purple one.]]Early in the Transformers' war on [[Earth]], [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] used the stolen power of the [[Creation Matrix]] to give life to the first of a new generation of Decepticon warriors, the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]]s. Scrapper and the other Constructicons were immediately given a mission upon their coming online -- construct a communications tower to transmit a message to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. A truckstop was raided for raw materials, which attracted the ire of trucker [[Bomber Bill]], who, with the aid of the [[Autobot]]s, managed to destroy the tower Scrapper and the other Constructicons had built. {{storylink|The Next Best Thing to Being There!}}

''Scrapper and the Constructicons, after troubleshooting their union as [[Devastator]], were sent by Shockwave to abduct [[Buster Witwicky]]. Their attack was called off to regroup when [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] discovered Buster held the rest of the Creation Matrix in his head. {{storylink|Devastation Derby!}}''

After [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron's]] retaking of Decepticon command, Scrapper and the other Constructicons were charged with building perimeter defences around their headquarters located at the base of a coal strip mine in eastern [[Wyoming]]. Devastator's services were again required when the Autobots staged a surprise attack, but they retreated once they had what they needed. {{storylink|Command Performances!}}

During [[Ratbat]]'s command, an attack was ordered on the combined Autobot forces on Earth's [[moon (moon)|moon]] while [[Blaster]] and [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] dueled for leadership. Under cover of battle, Scrapper and the other Constructicons retrieved the remains of several fallen and captured Decepticons. {{storylink|Totaled!}}

=====Earthforce=====
{{earthforcefiction}}

Scrapper worked for Megatron during the Earthforce saga, as did most of his fellow Constructicons. He was first seen telling stories to [[Mixmaster]] in the hallway while [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] was mentally searching for traitors...and blackmail information. {{storylink|Secrets!}} He later joined the united Decepticons in an ill-fated strike against Autobot Earthbase. {{storylink|Divide and Conquer!}}

=====Marvel UK future timelines=====

''In 2008, Scrapper was briefly seen with a Decepticon strike team on-board [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]], just before they were attacked from out of nowhere by the [[Quintesson]]s. He didn't say much, but that's probably because he was still pissed that, in the future, the Constructicons think Mixmaster is a better leader than him. He thinks that's crazy. Get it? Get it? {{storylink|Space Pirates!}}''

{{note|The following two sections both split off from the end of the Generation 1 comic, but in different, irreconcileable directions.}}

====Generation 2====
Scrapper and [[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]] helped construct a thermal bomb perimeter around the Autobot/Decepticon encampment which was entrenched on Earth awaiting arrival of the [[Swarm]]. {{storylink|A Rage in Heaven!}}

====Classics====
{{noteukonly}}

[[Image:Scrappercrossingover.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Finally, Scrapper gets some "facetime."]]
In the fifteen years since the battle on Klo, Megatron was resurrected and had reclaimed portions of his previous army, including Scrapper and the other Constructicons. When the Decepticon [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]] mysteriously appeared and claimed to be from another timeline, his body was scrutinized by [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and Scrapper. Scrapper's research led him to believe Landquake was telling the truth, noting that study of [[Unicron]] pointed towards the existence of parallel worlds and that Landquake's makeup was unlike any Transformer construction he was familiar with.

Furthermore, he announced to Megatron that an anomaly in [[South America]] radiated identical wavelengths as Landquake, something that might merit further inspection. Scrapper's only mistake was suggesting the hypothetical help of Shockwave would be appreciated, resulting in violence upon his person from Megatron. Regardless, Megatron agreed that the anomaly demanded his attention, and while Scrapper was instructed to pry deeper into Landquake's energon readings, the Decepticon commander accompanied the rest of his troops to South America. {{storylink|Crossing Over, Part 2}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:Scrappertww.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Construction vehicles are green on Cybertron, too.]]
Nine million years ago, a young [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] staged a Decepticon uprising and sieged [[Iacon]] to smokescreen his true designs. Long-buried planetary engines from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s similarly buried past were to be refitted by Scrapper and his Constructicons in order to convert their planet into a galaxy-faring war world. While Megatron had gone briefly missing during battle, Scrapper was ordered by [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] to accelerate the process, despite the Constructicon's misgivings. Their hasty actions could tear the planet apart! In the end, Starscream gave Scrapper a choice: mechaform Iacon, or get mechaformed by [[Motormaster]]. As Scrapper predicted, the region went under a major upheavel, and he and the other Transformers in the area were forced to abandon their work as everything exploded. {{storylink|The War Within}}

The war entered a dark age when both [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and Megatron were presumed lost forever in a space bridge accident. During this time, the technology of combining (and thus Devastator himself) was invented, but Devastator and other super robots were declared non-allied by the [[Crisis Intervention Accord]] to stave off an arms race that would escalate the war to frightening levels. Despite this, [[Ratbat]]'s [[Ultracon]]s secretly enlisted Scrapper and his Constructicons. {{storylink|The War Within: The Dark Ages}}

Millions of years later, after a subset of the Transformers war awoke on [[Earth]] in 1984, the Constructicons somehow found their way from Cybertron to Earth. They were defeated along with the other Decepticons in 1999, and subsequently buried for years in a shuttle explosion. When they awoke in 2002, the Constructicons combined into Devastator and rampaged [[San Francisco]]. Optimus Prime shot them in the head. {{storylink|Prime Directive}}

===Devil's Due ''G.I. Joe vs the Transformers'' continuity===
[[Image:Scrapperdevilsdue.jpg|right|thumb|100px|Scrapper calls Mindbender on a [http://www.nhl.com/rules/rule44.html hockey foul.]]]
The ruthless terrorist organization known as [[Cobra]] dug dozens of Autobots and Decepticons out of their four-million-year resting place and began rebuilding them into a Cobra-controlled army. However, with [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]]'s help, the mind-controlled Transformers were awakened, and the very cheesed-off Constructicons, including Scrapper, descended upon their previous captor, [[Dr. Mindbender]].

Their surroundings were soon under attack by Autobot and [[G.I. Joe]] forces, requiring Scrapper and the other Constructicons to combine into Devastator. Ultimately, Devastator was brutally defeated after the Decepticon fatally wounded [[Hound (G1)|Hound]], sending the fallen Autobot's friends into a berserker rage. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers}}

===IDW comics continuity===

Scrapper and his team of Constructicons were apparently put out of work due to the labor shortages masterminded by [[Ratbat]]. Rather than sitting idly by and collecting roboto-unemployment checks, the Constructicons became involved with the illegal fighting ring operating in [[Kaon]], dedicating their talents to quickly creating a combat arena at each new site of the tournaments, modifying scrap on hand for their needs. Scrapper witnessed firsthand the level of brutality Megatron could reach outside the ring when he executed the Autobot surveyers, [[Fastback]] and [[Bumper (G1)|Bumper]]. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 2}}

==Toys==
----

===Generation 1===
* '''Scrapper''' (Constructicon, 1985)
: ''Team ID number:'' '''3'''
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''33'''

* '''Constructicon''' (Constructicon, 1992)
: This European-exclusive version of Scrapper was yellow, but with the darker purple from the original toy instead of the lighter Generation 2 shade, a grey canopy, and came with no Devastator parts. This toy was also not officially named, as he came on a card shared by the other Constructicons.

===Generation 2===
* '''Scrapper''' (Constructicon, 1993)

: The complete set of Constructicons were re-released and [[redeco]]ed as part of the first assortments of ''[[Generation 2]]'' product. The first --and seemingly more common-- versions were yellow like the previous European release, but lacked the gray plastics, had brighter purple parts, had the "DECEPTICON" [[tampograph]]s on each one somewhere, and --most importantly-- came with all the Devastator bits.

: A later and seemingly less common run changed the yellow plastics to rich orange. It has been rumored that this release was only available in Kay-Bee stores, but not verified.

===Classics===
[[Image:Scrapperclassics.jpg|right|thumb|150px|His bio says he's a "quiet psycho." Charming!]]

*'''Constructicon Devastator''' (Wal-Mart exclusive, 2007)

:"Decepticon Scrapper" is one of the five toys included in this Wal-Mart exclusive giftset. He's a grey and black [[redeco]] of ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'' [[Bonecrusher (Energon)|Bonecrusher]] and [[Sledge (Energon)|Sledge]] with green and purple trim and translucent purple accessories.

===Merchandise===
* '''Scrapper''' (Decoy, 1987)

==Trivia==

* It is unknown what relationship, if any, exists between Scrapper and the ''[[Universe]]'' [[Micromaster]] Constructicon [[Buckethead]], who appears to have replaced Scrapper in that incarnation of the Constructicons.
* In recent years, toys sporting the name "Scrapper" require an additional "Decepticon" prefix for [[trademark]] reasons, hence making the official name "'''Decepticon Scrapper'''".

==External links==
----

* [http://www.tfu.info/1985/Decepticon/Scrapper/scrapper.htm Scrapper at TFU.info]

[[Category: Classics characters]]
[[Category: Constructicons]]
[[category: Decepticons]]
[[Category: Engineers]]
[[Category: Generation 1 characters]]
[[CategorY: Generation 2 characters]]
[[Category: Headmasters characters]]
[[Category: Ultracons]]
[[Category: Wal-Mart exclusives]]

Scrapper (G1)

2009-03-16T23:41:05Z

99.158.0.251: Nuts...the cache expired or something in mid-restore, and I only found out by allowing a specific server and refreshing the page. Oh well, cartoon section somewhat restored...

{{bookworm}}
{{disambig3|Scrapper}}

:''Scrapper is a [[Decepticon]] [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]] from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Scrapper1.jpg|right|275px|thumb|"By my own standards, Metroplex is the awesomest thing ever."]]

'''Scrapper''' is the engineer of the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]]s. While the other Constructicons put their masterpieces together, Scrapper is the one who designs everything for them. His designs are among the best in Transformer history, however, Scrapper is a modest Decepticon who quickly shrugs off the praise he receives. In that respect he is the polar-opposite of his frequent second in command, [[Hook]], who is an egomaniacal glory-hound.

Though modest, Scrapper is still a total nutcase. One of his favorite artistic liberties with his designs involves taking living [[Autobot]]s and using them as raw materials. This vicious act is something [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] finds admirable, as he considers Scrapper the most valuable of the Constructicons.

:''Hungarian name:'' '''Boxoló'''
:''French-Canadian name'': '''Bricolo''' 
:''Portuguese name (Portugal comic)'': Despedaçador
:''Portuguese name (Brazil comic)'': Retalhador
:''Italian name'': '''Ringhio'''

==Fiction==
===Cartoon continuity===
[[Image:Scrapperg1cartoon.jpg|left|thumb|150px|My continuity makes me dizzy.]]
:''Voice actor:'' [[Michael Bell]] (US), [[Toshio Ishii]] (Japan)

Scrapper, who was evil, helped build Megatron. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness}} Later, Megatron used the [[Robo-Smasher]] to make Scrapper, who was good, evil. {{storylink|The Secret of Omega Supreme}} Finally, Megatron built Scrapper. {{storylink|Heavy Metal War}} It all makes sense.

Regardless of all that, Scrapper and the Constructicons were active among the Decepticon forces on Earth in 1984. They attempted to infiltrate Autobot headquarters to destroy the Autobot computer Teletraan I, but failed and ended up having a lava bath. Heavy Metal War The Constructicons were later vital in transforming New York City into the Decepticon city of "New Cybertron", and in the process Scrapper got to recycle Optimus Prime into a robotic alligator. {{storylink|City of Steel}}

The Constructicons later built a drill leading into Earth's core, in order for Megatron to tap its energy. While working on it, Scrapper had a dominator disc snuck onto him by Sunstreaker, allowing the Autobots to control the Constructicons when merged into Devastator. The combiner fought his fellow Decepticons for a while before the discs were overloaded and they returned to normal. Scrapper then provided a peptalk for his team before they saved the Earth from their own drill, which had gone out of control. {{storylink|The Core}}
[[Image:MasterBuilders_Scrapple.jpg|right|thumb|200px|"Truly you are a master of structural engineering, Grapple. I could never hold up a map with a stump for a hand."]]

At one point, Scrapper convinced Hoist and Grapple that the Constructicons wanted to aid the two Autobots in a construction project to build a solar tower. Scrapper claimed to have admired Grapple's work back on Cybertron. When Megatron found out, the Constructicons had to explain (at gunpoint) that they were still loyal to him, and once the tower was completed they would turn it over to him. The plan initially succeeded, but the tower was soon destroyed in a battle between the Autobots and Devastator. {{storylink|The Master Builders}}

Later, when the other Decepticons began to suffer from Cybertonium degeneration, Scrapper and the Constructicon worked fine. They took delivery of a shipment of the mineral via the space bridge, and failed to stop Spike Witwicky and Carly from getting by them and traveling to Cybertron. Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 1 When faced with the mighty Omega Supreme, long out for revenge against the Constructicons, Scrapper repeatedly taunted and insulted him. In return, Omega Supreme beat the slag out of Devastator, but couldn't finish the job due to a surprise visit from an asteroid bird alien. {{storylink|The Secret of Omega Supreme}}
[[Image:MakeTracks_Scrapper_sword.jpg|left|thumb|150px|"I dub thee Drone #24601. Now rise up and go forth in Megatron's name!"]]

When the Constructicons were tasked with building a drone army out of human cars, Scrapper was seen slicing the machines apart with a sword. Make Tracks Scrapper's nasty side was later shown when he worked under Blitzwing, who had temporarily overthrown Megatron. Scrapper used the remains of damaged Autobots to make a throne for himself... nasty! {{storylink|Triple Takeover}}

Scrapper and Constructicons were part of the Decepticon forces during the great battle of Autobot City in 2005, and Devastator was integral in breaching the city's defenses. However, Megatron was defeated and the Decepticons were forced to retreat onboard Astrotrain. Megatron was subsequently thrown out into space, and Scrapper wasted no time in nominating his Constructicons to be the next Decepticon leaders. Soundwave and his cassettes disagreed, and within minutes every Decepticon in the ship was fighting the rest for that precious leadership position. Starscream won out in the end, and the Constructicons provided music during his coronation (Scrapper doesn't let minor things such as mouthplates get in his way of playing the trumpet). {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}

In the remainder of 2005 and throughout the following year, Scrapper and the Constructicons maintained a smaller, but still present, role in the Decepticon army, lending their talents to the Decepticon/Quintesson alliance by constructing Trypticon out of a populated human city in only one night. FFOD, Part 4 Later, they built a planetary engine on an asteroid and battled on the planet Eurythma, Carnage in C-Minor aided in the overthrow of Paradron Fight or Flee and took part in an attack on Japan. The Burden Hardest to Bear Although brief, the Constructicons even played a part in the battle for the Plasma Energy Chamber in 2007, seen firing on Autobots with the Terrorcons. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 3}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
{{noteukonly}}

{{note|Scrapper doesn't appear to be the leader of the Constructicons in most if any of his appearances. In the Constructicons' origin story, [[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]] seems to be in charge. Later, during "Totaled!", [[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]] is named as their leader. To further complicate things, Mixmaster was identified as the leader in an alternate future.}}

[[Image:Constructiconsbornmarvel.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Scrapper is the green and purple one.]]Early in the Transformers' war on [[Earth]], [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] used the stolen power of the [[Creation Matrix]] to give life to the first of a new generation of Decepticon warriors, the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]]s. Scrapper and the other Constructicons were immediately given a mission upon their coming online -- construct a communications tower to transmit a message to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. A truckstop was raided for raw materials, which attracted the ire of trucker [[Bomber Bill]], who, with the aid of the [[Autobot]]s, managed to destroy the tower Scrapper and the other Constructicons had built. {{storylink|The Next Best Thing to Being There!}}

''Scrapper and the Constructicons, after troubleshooting their union as [[Devastator]], were sent by Shockwave to abduct [[Buster Witwicky]]. Their attack was called off to regroup when [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] discovered Buster held the rest of the Creation Matrix in his head. {{storylink|Devastation Derby!}}''

After [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron's]] retaking of Decepticon command, Scrapper and the other Constructicons were charged with building perimeter defences around their headquarters located at the base of a coal strip mine in eastern [[Wyoming]]. Devastator's services were again required when the Autobots staged a surprise attack, but they retreated once they had what they needed. {{storylink|Command Performances!}}

During [[Ratbat]]'s command, an attack was ordered on the combined Autobot forces on Earth's [[moon (moon)|moon]] while [[Blaster]] and [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] dueled for leadership. Under cover of battle, Scrapper and the other Constructicons retrieved the remains of several fallen and captured Decepticons. {{storylink|Totaled!}}

=====Earthforce=====
{{earthforcefiction}}

Scrapper worked for Megatron during the Earthforce saga, as did most of his fellow Constructicons. He was first seen telling stories to [[Mixmaster]] in the hallway while [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] was mentally searching for traitors...and blackmail information. {{storylink|Secrets!}} He later joined the united Decepticons in an ill-fated strike against Autobot Earthbase. {{storylink|Divide and Conquer!}}

=====Marvel UK future timelines=====

''In 2008, Scrapper was briefly seen with a Decepticon strike team on-board [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]], just before they were attacked from out of nowhere by the [[Quintesson]]s. He didn't say much, but that's probably because he was still pissed that, in the future, the Constructicons think Mixmaster is a better leader than him. He thinks that's crazy. Get it? Get it? {{storylink|Space Pirates!}}''

{{note|The following two sections both split off from the end of the Generation 1 comic, but in different, irreconcileable directions.}}

====Generation 2====
Scrapper and [[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]] helped construct a thermal bomb perimeter around the Autobot/Decepticon encampment which was entrenched on Earth awaiting arrival of the [[Swarm]]. {{storylink|A Rage in Heaven!}}

====Classics====
{{noteukonly}}

[[Image:Scrappercrossingover.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Finally, Scrapper gets some "facetime."]]
In the fifteen years since the battle on Klo, Megatron was resurrected and had reclaimed portions of his previous army, including Scrapper and the other Constructicons. When the Decepticon [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]] mysteriously appeared and claimed to be from another timeline, his body was scrutinized by [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and Scrapper. Scrapper's research led him to believe Landquake was telling the truth, noting that study of [[Unicron]] pointed towards the existence of parallel worlds and that Landquake's makeup was unlike any Transformer construction he was familiar with.

Furthermore, he announced to Megatron that an anomaly in [[South America]] radiated identical wavelengths as Landquake, something that might merit further inspection. Scrapper's only mistake was suggesting the hypothetical help of Shockwave would be appreciated, resulting in violence upon his person from Megatron. Regardless, Megatron agreed that the anomaly demanded his attention, and while Scrapper was instructed to pry deeper into Landquake's energon readings, the Decepticon commander accompanied the rest of his troops to South America. {{storylink|Crossing Over, Part 2}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:Scrappertww.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Construction vehicles are green on Cybertron, too.]]
Nine million years ago, a young [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] staged a Decepticon uprising and sieged [[Iacon]] to smokescreen his true designs. Long-buried planetary engines from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s similarly buried past were to be refitted by Scrapper and his Constructicons in order to convert their planet into a galaxy-faring war world. While Megatron had gone briefly missing during battle, Scrapper was ordered by [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] to accelerate the process, despite the Constructicon's misgivings. Their hasty actions could tear the planet apart! In the end, Starscream gave Scrapper a choice: mechaform Iacon, or get mechaformed by [[Motormaster]]. As Scrapper predicted, the region went under a major upheavel, and he and the other Transformers in the area were forced to abandon their work as everything exploded. {{storylink|The War Within}}

The war entered a dark age when both [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and Megatron were presumed lost forever in a space bridge accident. During this time, the technology of combining (and thus Devastator himself) was invented, but Devastator and other super robots were declared non-allied by the [[Crisis Intervention Accord]] to stave off an arms race that would escalate the war to frightening levels. Despite this, [[Ratbat]]'s [[Ultracon]]s secretly enlisted Scrapper and his Constructicons. {{storylink|The War Within: The Dark Ages}}

Millions of years later, after a subset of the Transformers war awoke on [[Earth]] in 1984, the Constructicons somehow found their way from Cybertron to Earth. They were defeated along with the other Decepticons in 1999, and subsequently buried for years in a shuttle explosion. When they awoke in 2002, the Constructicons combined into Devastator and rampaged [[San Francisco]]. Optimus Prime shot them in the head. {{storylink|Prime Directive}}

===Devil's Due ''G.I. Joe vs the Transformers'' continuity===
[[Image:Scrapperdevilsdue.jpg|right|thumb|100px|Scrapper calls Mindbender on a [http://www.nhl.com/rules/rule44.html hockey foul.]]]
The ruthless terrorist organization known as [[Cobra]] dug dozens of Autobots and Decepticons out of their four-million-year resting place and began rebuilding them into a Cobra-controlled army. However, with [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]]'s help, the mind-controlled Transformers were awakened, and the very cheesed-off Constructicons, including Scrapper, descended upon their previous captor, [[Dr. Mindbender]].

Their surroundings were soon under attack by Autobot and [[G.I. Joe]] forces, requiring Scrapper and the other Constructicons to combine into Devastator. Ultimately, Devastator was brutally defeated after the Decepticon fatally wounded [[Hound (G1)|Hound]], sending the fallen Autobot's friends into a berserker rage. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers}}

===IDW comics continuity===

Scrapper and his team of Constructicons were apparently put out of work due to the labor shortages masterminded by [[Ratbat]]. Rather than sitting idly by and collecting roboto-unemployment checks, the Constructicons became involved with the illegal fighting ring operating in [[Kaon]], dedicating their talents to quickly creating a combat arena at each new site of the tournaments, modifying scrap on hand for their needs. Scrapper witnessed firsthand the level of brutality Megatron could reach outside the ring when he executed the Autobot surveyers, [[Fastback]] and [[Bumper (G1)|Bumper]]. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 2}}

==Toys==
----

===Generation 1===
* '''Scrapper''' (Constructicon, 1985)
: ''Team ID number:'' '''3'''
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''33'''

* '''Constructicon''' (Constructicon, 1992)
: This European-exclusive version of Scrapper was yellow, but with the darker purple from the original toy instead of the lighter Generation 2 shade, a grey canopy, and came with no Devastator parts. This toy was also not officially named, as he came on a card shared by the other Constructicons.

===Generation 2===
* '''Scrapper''' (Constructicon, 1993)

: The complete set of Constructicons were re-released and [[redeco]]ed as part of the first assortments of ''[[Generation 2]]'' product. The first --and seemingly more common-- versions were yellow like the previous European release, but lacked the gray plastics, had brighter purple parts, had the "DECEPTICON" [[tampograph]]s on each one somewhere, and --most importantly-- came with all the Devastator bits.

: A later and seemingly less common run changed the yellow plastics to rich orange. It has been rumored that this release was only available in Kay-Bee stores, but not verified.

===Classics===
[[Image:Scrapperclassics.jpg|right|thumb|150px|His bio says he's a "quiet psycho." Charming!]]

*'''Constructicon Devastator''' (Wal-Mart exclusive, 2007)

:"Decepticon Scrapper" is one of the five toys included in this Wal-Mart exclusive giftset. He's a grey and black [[redeco]] of ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'' [[Bonecrusher (Energon)|Bonecrusher]] and [[Sledge (Energon)|Sledge]] with green and purple trim and translucent purple accessories.

===Merchandise===
* '''Scrapper''' (Decoy, 1987)

==Trivia==

* It is unknown what relationship, if any, exists between Scrapper and the ''[[Universe]]'' [[Micromaster]] Constructicon [[Buckethead]], who appears to have replaced Scrapper in that incarnation of the Constructicons.
* In recent years, toys sporting the name "Scrapper" require an additional "Decepticon" prefix for [[trademark]] reasons, hence making the official name "'''Decepticon Scrapper'''".

==External links==
----

* [http://www.tfu.info/1985/Decepticon/Scrapper/scrapper.htm Scrapper at TFU.info]

[[Category: Classics characters]]
[[Category: Constructicons]]
[[category: Decepticons]]
[[Category: Engineers]]
[[Category: Generation 1 characters]]
[[CategorY: Generation 2 characters]]
[[Category: Headmasters characters]]
[[Category: Ultracons]]
[[Category: Wal-Mart exclusives]]

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal/Damage Control Central

2009-03-16T23:24:35Z

99.158.0.251: /* Restoring account status */ new section

Additional discussion on this situation can be found on these Allspark.com threads:
* [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=56439 "TFWiki Problems, Any idea what's going on?"]
* [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=51208&st=400&p=1155749&#entry1155749 "Major Wiki Work, A thread for additions to Transformers wikis."]

==Hey hey, what can I do==
I think at this point we must begin formulating plans based on the assumption that the site is a total loss. This means damage control first, then restoration, then prevention.

Assuming no good news comes through, it seems to me we need to take the following steps. Bein' that I'm not a tech guy, there may be more options than what I'm seeing, but here's what I figure we gotta do:

#take down the bulk of the site's pages so Google's cache will not overwrite them
#figure out a system to make Derik and Abates' caches of Google-archived pages accessible to editors as they come in (Derik mentioned it'll take over a week to get a complete set off Google.)
#if possible, automate the stripping of HTML tags and other non-Wiki goop from those pages before anyone tries to edit them, including Wikia links.
#find a way to divvy up a restoration workload among our 50 or so regular editors.
#find a new server. We would be idiots to remain here.

I still hope most of this will be unnecessary, but at this point, I'm losing faith. -- '''repowers''' [[Special:Contributions/99.140.167.2|99.140.167.2]] 12:08, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
: Spoke with Bookworm several times this morning. He still has a few more computers to search for backups, but, well, at this point I'm going to assume the worst. He is going to try to at least get our user database working. He wasn't aware that was a problem until I let him know. I think Scout is trying to get all the pages downloaded from Google Caching. I've grabbed a few of my own, but she's got, like, thousands of pages so far.
: As for getting a new server... anybody got any ideas? Hell if I know. Frankly, don't listen to me anyway on that. --Walky

::Take everything down immediately. The longer the site stays up as-is, the greater the risk of contaminating Google's March 9th cache and the more linkbacks we send to Wikia. Then we either beg Google for a mass infodump, or.... 50 editors grab 160 pages each. EDIT: or Scout gets them! Thanks, Scout; good to see at least the words "silver lining" in print, even if I don't see the actual thing itself yet.... '''Thylacine 2000'''--[[Special:Contributions/74.73.131.210|74.73.131.210]] 12:17, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:::If we take everything down, what are we going to edit back together? WHEN are we going to edit everything back together? Taking it down just delays our ability to fix it. --Walky
::::If we've got our copy of the cache, then site shutdown isn't nearly as important. The main concern is that we'd lose the Google cache. Looking like retards... well, we'll just have to take our lumps there. (I guess we could set permissions for content pages to only logged-in users? Dunno.) -- '''repowers''' [[Special:Contributions/99.140.167.2|99.140.167.2]] 12:30, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::Even if it doesn't overwrite the cache, I see no reason to have the site up given the state that it's in. I say take it down until the head-honchos figure out how to clean up this mess. '''(Undecided)''' [[Special:Contributions/67.185.148.107|67.185.148.107]] 16:13, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

==I am a dumb, stupid man==
Just to get that out of the way. Should have told BK to back off on the database upgrade as soon as I saw his original email, and maybe we shouldn't have been here on this server to begin with. It was my call, after all. I'll do my best to make it up to you. Especially TOOG and McFeely, who did so many pages. When I remembered Google caches stuff at like 7 in the morning and started downloading pages whole-hog, theirs was the work I went after first. BEFORE HOT SHOT. That is how bad I feel. Nobody should have to watch through Energon twice. Or, uh, once. This is a terrible, horrible thing, brought on partially by my own incompetence and unassertiveness. Other people shouldn't have to learn my needed life lessons with me. --Walky

==What we've actually lost==
Okay, I've been trying to assess and give a realistic account of the information we appear to be missing. It's hampered by the lack of a search option, meaing I've been having to hit the random button until I've gotten to a page I can link to, and I may be missing something things, but I believe that we have lost the following sections:
*The work McFeely did on [[Energon (cartoon)|Energon]].
*[[Revelation]]
*[[All Hail Megatron]]
*[[The Reign of Starscream]]
*[[Maximum Dinobots]]
*[[Alliance]]
*[[Defiance]]
*[[Universe (2008)]]
*[[Revenge of the Fallen]] updates.
*Abates screen captures on [[Beast Wars]], [[Beast Machines]], and [[Generation 1]].
*Updated screen captures for [[Transformers Animated]] season 1 and 2.
*Last but not least, all we know of [[Transformers Animated]] season 3.

If I missed anything that stands out, please let me know. If all I've done is seriously depress you, then...I don't really know how to respond to that. -- SFH 13:49, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

:I'm not sure how worthwhile this is. I could add that we've lost almost everything related to the S.T.A.R.S. continuity (including the meta-page with that name), but seriously, we could keep listing pages forever. Not to mention that probably a huge majority of the existing pages have lost a lot of updates. I don't think there's anything we rank-and-file editors can do until either Walky appears brandishing a "routine backup" or Scout et al. get the Google cache sorted out and implemented. At THAT point, maybe taking stock would be a good idea, but until then, let's just go outside and get some fresh air. Toss a Frisbee around. Call up an old friend. - '''Jackpot''' [[Special:Contributions/216.231.37.133|216.231.37.133]] 14:01, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

::Yeah, we need a systemic, all-encompassing, computer-generated list of every page, since pretty much every page has probably been edited since the split. (though for the record, my list includes 15-20 Energon eps and 20-30 rewritten subgroup pages.) Said list needs a checklist option or something. I dunno. I had this written more coherently before the save page thing crashed. Whee, are we having fun yet? -- '''repowers''' [[Special:Contributions/99.140.167.2|99.140.167.2]] 14:28, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:I still have all those screen captures, so I can reupload them if necessary. Of course, the images are actually still on the server, but the out-of-date database doesn't know they're there. I grabbed a complete set of Beast Machines episode articles and a near-complete set of RID episode articles from various caches last night. Unfortunately the software I wrote for doing the same only grabbed 53 articles before it was throttled. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 14:47, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
::We lost all the Titan collections that Emvee and I did. They weren't cached yet, but oddly the main Titan page had a cached version with the links I made to the individual pages. Wierd. This loss hits me really hard since I didn't start editing until this winter and '''everything''' I've contributed is now potentially gone. Since the tfwiki is one of the few joys I've had lately, it makes me feel a bit useless now. --Bluestreak7 [[Special:Contributions/98.213.132.186|98.213.132.186]] 15:03, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
::''Of course, the images are actually still on the server, but the out-of-date database doesn't know they're there.''
::If that's the case, then perhaps they can be reinstated when/if Bookworm compiles a list of files on the server that are newer than a given date.--Apcog [[Special:Contributions/99.158.0.251|99.158.0.251]] 15:38, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
That'd be Rob's work on Energon, not mine. I've lost around half the Victory cartoon, and ''every single fucking Japanese character article I ever did that's not Shuta.'' I thought we were only back to post-move September status, but we've actually regressed to June. - '''McFeely''' [[Special:Contributions/81.158.171.149|81.158.171.149]] 15:17, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:I just saved as many of the Masterforce character articles as I could from Yahoo and MSN's cache (Google throttled me again) --[[Special:Contributions/203.97.2.142|203.97.2.142]] 16:15, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

In the event that we can't find a more recent backup (and at this point, if server dude can find one from even as recently as January, I'd be overjoyed), do we at least still have the original dump we exported in September which doesn't have all the wikia links at the bottom? --[[Special:Contributions/203.97.2.142|203.97.2.142]] 16:11, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

== Anything the rank and file could do? ==

OK, so there's obviously alot of scrambling going on from all who can to recover all the massive chunks of what's been lost, my question: is it at all helpful for the rank and file occasional contributor to be doing any editting at this point? I mean, I'm sure there are a bunch of us who would be willing to edit and add here and there to fix up what small bits and pages we can. Or would such small additions and peicemeal fixes just get in the way of the eventual large scale repairs? --[[Special:Contributions/71.235.138.121|71.235.138.121]] 14:59, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

:We really don't know yet. It depends on what Derik and Scout come back with. I can't imagine there's any harm in restoring pages by hand (it could presumably get lost in whatever mass upgrades we end up doing... or not. I have no idea.) Mostly, just sit tight for the moment. When we get a system figured out, we'll ring the bells to summon the fire brigade. -- '''repowers''' [[Special:Contributions/99.140.167.2|99.140.167.2]] 15:25, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

Pick a page. Stick <nowiki>{{bookworm}}</nowiki> at the top, it'll give you a link to that page's google cache. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:33, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

== How do I properly add info to an article's "recover" page? ==

I've done the bookworm tag on some articles and saved the google cache to my harddrive... question is, how do I post this data to the articles' /recover sections? Just copy'n'paste the text, or go nab the source code? Detour --[[Special:Contributions/70.26.248.28|70.26.248.28]] 18:22, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:I expect source code would be more useful. It will preserve the formatting, and someone can probably write a script to convert it back to wiki code. Plus, if I'm wrong, it's trivial to convert the source code to text, whereas you can't really go the other way. '''Chip''' [[Special:Contributions/69.139.147.179|69.139.147.179]] 19:01, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

:I do both, one after the other.
:The first is easier to re-format, but you'll often need to be able tog et the links out of the source code. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:01, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

== Automated Cache Recovery ==
Will this program I happened upon help any? [http://warrick.cs.odu.edu/warrick.html Warrick]. It's supposed to be something that can automate getting websites from various web caches. I put a job in their queue, but if someone who has web stuff (it needs Perl 5 installed) set up on their comp can run the program themselves right now, that would help. Or is that the sort of thing Derik and Suki are already doing? (Basically, I'd like to help, but I don't even know what "phase" we're on...) --[[Special:Contributions/96.240.212.69|96.240.212.69]] 18:59, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:It's being run. It'll take some time, and e3ven then... that's just grabbing a copy of the google cache before it vanishes.
:(Personally I'm banking on a localized reversal of [[The Fallen|the second law of thermodynamics]].) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:01, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

== Restoring account status ==

Is it better to recreate an account, possibly messing up the caches for one's User Contributions, Talk Page, etc., so uploading images and such is possible? Or should we just sit tight a bit longer on that aspect until more restoration is done?--Apcog [[Special:Contributions/99.158.0.251|99.158.0.251]] 19:24, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

Stanford Merriweather

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{{picsneeded}}

:''Stanford Merriweather is a [[human]] in the [[Hearts of Steel]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

'''Stanford Merriweather''' is a "robber baron" (according to [[Mark Twain]]) and venture capitalist in the latter part of the 19th Century. He also participates in anti-Decepticon activities. He lives in [[San Francisco]], and has a daughter, [[Kitty Merriweather]].

==Fiction==
===IDW ''[[Hearts of Steel]]'' continuity===
Merriweather is the principal investor (possibly the ''only'' investor) in [[Tobias Muldoon]]'s "sub-marine" project. When the submarine sinks, Merriweather is outraged, and puts Muldoon to work washing dishes in the kitchen of a hotel he owns. {{storylink|Hearts of Steel issue 1}}

Muldoon later shows up on Merriweather's doorstep, claiming to be fleeing evil mechanical giants. Merriweather is about to send him away, when Merriweather's houseguest, Mark Twain, says he would like to hear Muldoon's story. {{storylink|Hearts of Steel issue 2}} After Muldoon has told his tale, Merriweather still thinks he's delirious, until [[Ravage]] crashes into the house. Muldoon protects Merriweather and his daughter, and Twain manages to dispose of Ravage. Merriweather has a complete change of heart, and promises to help Muldoon with his vast influence, including calling out the Army. They set out in Merriweather's private train to intercept the Decepticons in their progress toward [[New York]] aboard [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]]. {{storylink|Hearts of Steel issue 3}}

When the Army fails to stop Astrotrain, Merriweather lends a hand shoveling coal, in the hope that they personally can stop the Decepticons. They catch up, and are nearly bombed by [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]]. Muldoon's first thoughts during the bombing are to protect Kitty, and Merriweather blesses their romance. He is trapped in a train tunnel by Decepticon bombs and shelling, but is later rescued by [[John Henry]]. {{storylink|Hearts of Steel issue 4}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Marriweather, Stanford}}
[[Category: Comic-only characters]]
[[Category: Generation 1 characters]]
[[Category: Humans]]

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal/Damage Control Central

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==Hey hey, what can I do==
I think at this point we must begin formulating plans based on the assumption that the site is a total loss. This means damage control first, then restoration, then prevention.

Assuming no good news comes through, it seems to me we need to take the following steps. Bein' that I'm not a tech guy, there may be more options than what I'm seeing, but here's what I figure we gotta do:

#take down the bulk of the site's pages so Google's cache will not overwrite them
#figure out a system to make Derik and Abates' caches of Google-archived pages accessible to editors as they come in (Derik mentioned it'll take over a week to get a complete set off Google.)
#if possible, automate the stripping of HTML tags and other non-Wiki goop from those pages before anyone tries to edit them, including Wikia links.
#find a way to divvy up a restoration workload among our 50 or so regular editors.
#find a new server. We would be idiots to remain here.

I still hope most of this will be unnecessary, but at this point, I'm losing faith. -- '''repowers''' [[Special:Contributions/99.140.167.2|99.140.167.2]] 12:08, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
: Spoke with Bookworm several times this morning. He still has a few more computers to search for backups, but, well, at this point I'm going to assume the worst. He is going to try to at least get our user database working. He wasn't aware that was a problem until I let him know. I think Scout is trying to get all the pages downloaded from Google Caching. I've grabbed a few of my own, but she's got, like, thousands of pages so far.
: As for getting a new server... anybody got any ideas? Hell if I know. Frankly, don't listen to me anyway on that. --Walky

::Take everything down immediately. The longer the site stays up as-is, the greater the risk of contaminating Google's March 9th cache and the more linkbacks we send to Wikia. Then we either beg Google for a mass infodump, or.... 50 editors grab 160 pages each. EDIT: or Scout gets them! Thanks, Scout; good to see at least the words "silver lining" in print, even if I don't see the actual thing itself yet.... '''Thylacine 2000'''--[[Special:Contributions/74.73.131.210|74.73.131.210]] 12:17, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:::If we take everything down, what are we going to edit back together? WHEN are we going to edit everything back together? Taking it down just delays our ability to fix it. --Walky
::::If we've got our copy of the cache, then site shutdown isn't nearly as important. The main concern is that we'd lose the Google cache. Looking like retards... well, we'll just have to take our lumps there. (I guess we could set permissions for content pages to only logged-in users? Dunno.) -- '''repowers''' [[Special:Contributions/99.140.167.2|99.140.167.2]] 12:30, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

==I am a dumb, stupid man==
Just to get that out of the way. Should have told BK to back off on the database upgrade as soon as I saw his original email, and maybe we shouldn't have been here on this server to begin with. It was my call, after all. I'll do my best to make it up to you. Especially TOOG and McFeely, who did so many pages. When I remembered Google caches stuff at like 7 in the morning and started downloading pages whole-hog, theirs was the work I went after first. BEFORE HOT SHOT. That is how bad I feel. Nobody should have to watch through Energon twice. Or, uh, once. This is a terrible, horrible thing, brought on partially by my own incompetence and unassertiveness. Other people shouldn't have to learn my needed life lessons with me. --Walky

==What we've actually lost==
Okay, I've been trying to assess and give a realistic account of the information we appear to be missing. It's hampered by the lack of a search option, meaing I've been having to hit the random button until I've gotten to a page I can link to, and I may be missing something things, but I believe that we have lost the following sections:
*The work McFeely did on [[Energon (cartoon)|Energon]].
*[[Revelation]]
*[[All Hail Megatron]]
*[[The Reign of Starscream]]
*[[Maximum Dinobots]]
*[[Alliance]]
*[[Defiance]]
*[[Universe (2008)]]
*[[Revenge of the Fallen]] updates.
*Abates screen captures on [[Beast Wars]], [[Beast Machines]], and [[Generation 1]].
*Updated screen captures for [[Transformers Animated]] season 1 and 2.
*Last but not least, all we know of [[Transformers Animated]] season 3.

If I missed anything that stands out, please let me know. If all I've done is seriously depress you, then...I don't really know how to respond to that. -- SFH 13:49, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

:I'm not sure how worthwhile this is. I could add that we've lost almost everything related to the S.T.A.R.S. continuity (including the meta-page with that name), but seriously, we could keep listing pages forever. Not to mention that probably a huge majority of the existing pages have lost a lot of updates. I don't think there's anything we rank-and-file editors can do until either Walky appears brandishing a "routine backup" or Scout et al. get the Google cache sorted out and implemented. At THAT point, maybe taking stock would be a good idea, but until then, let's just go outside and get some fresh air. Toss a Frisbee around. Call up an old friend. - '''Jackpot''' [[Special:Contributions/216.231.37.133|216.231.37.133]] 14:01, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

::Yeah, we need a systemic, all-encompassing, computer-generated list of every page, since pretty much every page has probably been edited since the split. (though for the record, my list includes 15-20 Energon eps and 20-30 rewritten subgroup pages.) Said list needs a checklist option or something. I dunno. I had this written more coherently before the save page thing crashed. Whee, are we having fun yet? -- '''repowers''' [[Special:Contributions/99.140.167.2|99.140.167.2]] 14:28, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:I still have all those screen captures, so I can reupload them if necessary. Of course, the images are actually still on the server, but the out-of-date database doesn't know they're there. I grabbed a complete set of Beast Machines episode articles and a near-complete set of RID episode articles from various caches last night. Unfortunately the software I wrote for doing the same only grabbed 53 articles before it was throttled. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 14:47, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
::We lost all the Titan collections that Emvee and I did. They weren't cached yet, but oddly the main Titan page had a cached version with the links I made to the individual pages. Wierd. This loss hits me really hard since I didn't start editing until this winter and '''everything''' I've contributed is now potentially gone. Since the tfwiki is one of the few joys I've had lately, it makes me feel a bit useless now. --Bluestreak7 [[Special:Contributions/98.213.132.186|98.213.132.186]] 15:03, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
::''Of course, the images are actually still on the server, but the out-of-date database doesn't know they're there.''
::If that's the case, then perhaps they can be reinstated when/if Bookworm compiles a list of files on the server that are newer than a given date.--Apcog [[Special:Contributions/99.158.0.251|99.158.0.251]] 15:38, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
That'd be Rob's work on Energon, not mine. I've lost around half the Victory cartoon, and ''every single fucking Japanese character article I ever did that's not Shuta.'' I thought we were only back to post-move September status, but we've actually regressed to June. - '''McFeely''' [[Special:Contributions/81.158.171.149|81.158.171.149]] 15:17, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

== Anything the rank and file could do? ==

OK, so there's obviously alot of scrambling going on from all who can to recover all the massive chunks of what's been lost, my question: is it at all helpful for the rank and file occasional contributor to be doing any editting at this point? I mean, I'm sure there are a bunch of us who would be willing to edit and add here and there to fix up what small bits and pages we can. Or would such small additions and peicemeal fixes just get in the way of the eventual large scale repairs? --[[Special:Contributions/71.235.138.121|71.235.138.121]] 14:59, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

:We really don't know yet. It depends on what Derik and Scout come back with. I can't imagine there's any harm in restoring pages by hand (it could presumably get lost in whatever mass upgrades we end up doing... or not. I have no idea.) Mostly, just sit tight for the moment. When we get a system figured out, we'll ring the bells to summon the fire brigade. -- '''repowers''' [[Special:Contributions/99.140.167.2|99.140.167.2]] 15:25, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Main Page

2009-03-16T00:21:39Z

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THE FUNNY STAYS.
-The Management

__TOC__

Please use this talk page for discussion about the [[Main Page]].

To discuss site-wide policies, please visit [[Transformers Wiki Talk:Community Portal|the Community Portal talk page]].

==Archives==
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive1|Archive1]]
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive2|Archive2]]
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive3|Archive3]]

==What happened?==

So...what on Earth has happened to the TFWiki? Also, for some reason the old Wikia seems to have gained all of the articles that are now missing from here. (Such as the Season 3 animated stuff)
:Seems to me that we've reverted to a June 2008 version of the database which could be really bad news. Some of my articles [[Macabre]] for example are at the old site but not here, which would make sense since I wrote it in September 2008 before we moved here. I don't even have a login here anymore - Emvee :( [[Special:Contributions/77.102.92.218|77.102.92.218]] 19:31, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::Looks like our brain-damaged friend is back again.
:::There's some more info on the [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=51208&view=findpost&p=1155749 wiki thread in the Allspark forums]. Looks like an upgrade handled very very sloppily. I'm hoping once they restore the old database it'll overwrite the changes made in the interim, seeing as how our favorite Idiot Vandal With No Life is on a rampage. (Sigh.) Wiping out his stupid crap in one go would be priceless. (This is Jeysie, BTW.) --[[Special:Contributions/72.79.219.120|72.79.219.120]] 19:41, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::Thank Primus. I was worried someone had hacked in and deleted the database. The thought of 6 months work lost filled me with dread. --abates 19:46, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::Ditto. Dread all round here too. Good to know it's in hand. --Emvee [[Special:Contributions/77.102.92.218|77.102.92.218]] 19:48, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::You know... assuming it does get overwritten so we don't have to worry about undoing it, watching our pet vandal complain about how the wiki malfunctioning prevents him from vandalizing properly is one of the most morbidly hilarious things I've seen in a while. -Jeysie --[[Special:Contributions/72.79.219.120|72.79.219.120]] 20:07, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Don't I know it, I was just having a laugh at that with the other half :) --Emvee [[Special:Contributions/77.102.92.218|77.102.92.218]] 20:16, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::You know, there are some benefits about this. On the one hand, people don't have to worry about being spoiled about TransWarped. On the other, we get to see Assaulthead self-destruct in rage as he can't vandalize the wiki. However, there is one concern: What if they can't retrieve the lost information? -- (SFH) [[Special:Contributions/67.164.210.225|67.164.210.225]] 20:11, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::I'm assuming that Bookworm made a database backup before he started work. Should be fairly simple to upload it again. Which means this conversation never happened. --Emvee [[Special:Contributions/77.102.92.218|77.102.92.218]] 20:16, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::I've decided I don't want to think about what happens if he didn't. (Realistically about all we could do is a crapload of trawling through Google's cache, but even then we'd pretty much be seriously hosed.) --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/72.79.219.120|72.79.219.120]] 20:18, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::I didn't spot this thread until right after emailing Suki and Walky (one knows the code well, the other is right by the servers) about the situation (though I figure they already know), as I thought it might have been Assaulthead showing a heretofore hidden hacking genius. (Hey, if Bulkhead can be a space bridge genius...) I hope to heck we don't lose all those months of work. Someone really needs to work on that update process... --Apcog [[Special:Contributions/99.158.0.251|99.158.0.251]] 20:21, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

== Featured article ==

We have had the same thing there for like 50 years{{unsigned|Human in Disguise|02:22, 7 April 2008}}
:Not really. Jhiaxus was only made a Featured Article on March 2, 2008.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::With 6k articles, maybe we could switch the featured article every month?[[User:Spriteless|Spriteless]] 05:45, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:::We try to when we can, but usually that involves a big push to improve the given article to featured article standards.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:::: If someone was just going through the Wikia wikis they might assume that this wiki is a bit quiet. What about just chosing some of the bigger articles every now and again? The larger ones tend to the most highly polished, researched and moderated articles. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 19:20, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Some of the big articles need work because alot of the stuff in them was written in 2006 before we established standards. For instance, G1 Ratchet's article was featured last year I believe, but it was really unevenly written in terms of quality. I mean, for some reason half of the article eschewed storylinks in favour of references. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:26, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
:We probably should set up some ground rules on what makes a featured article. Right now, it's pretty much what ever Walky wants. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:34, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Thunderwing, Nice. --[[User:Human in Disguise|Human in disguise]]

Out of curiosity, how often does it change, or is it just on a whim? [[User:Jeep!|Jeep!]] 14:30, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

== front tf page ==

i hate april fool pranks on my fave tf front page -dr
:What? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

== Funny ==
I think we should remove the funny nes on the page, If it stays, It will sound like a child has being messing up this place and Other people will think it doesn't make sense. [[User:Black rhino ranger|Black rhino ranger]] 09:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:You're going to find yourself in the minority regarding this opinion.--[[User:Suzyprime|Suzyprime]] 13:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, Ranger, people are more likely to think this wiki "doesn't make sense" if it's edited by people who can't spell, conjugate, or use capital letters correctly. [[User:JW|JW]] 18:37, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Who made this again. [[User:Black rhino ranger|Black rhino ranger]] 19:55, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:If that's a question, I don't understand it. [[User:JW|JW]] 20:33, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

But we should Make the images Info not funny, Transformers is ment to be serious, not funny. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 15:47, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:Bullshit. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:46, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::Transformers be [[Bee in the City|'''''serious business''''']] yo. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:00, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:Sir, your erudite argument has at last shown me the light. I have been in error all this time, and you have turned the glare of knowledge against the darkness of my ignorance. Verily, we must all change our ways, and treat the stories about outer space robots that turn into cars as Serious Business. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 18:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

But it is unencyclopediac. It looks like a two year old vandalism. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 11:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks for sharing your viewpoint, but, you are very much in the minority. If you object that strongly, start your own Transformers wiki and make it boring. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

:: Or just read the transformers entries on wikipedia. I'm also guessing most people don't like it when you call our writing "like a two year old vandalism". [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 03:10, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Face it! Not Everyone likes funny wikis. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 15:25, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:Since we're one of the largest, highest-traffic wikis on Wikia, I don't think the people who object to "the funny" are a significant enough constituency to force us to change.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:27, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:Not everyone likes peanut butter! Therefore they should stop making peanut butter. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

==Search==
So, uh, what happened to the ability to type something into the text box, click "search," and not have it take me directly to a page, but give me a list of pages the term appears in instead? There is no search button on the front page! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:For as long as I've used the wiki, the Search function has only done that for me if what I've typed didn't match the title of any article exactly. As for the front page, I still see the Search box. I don't know if it makes a difference, but I'm using the Monaco skin.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:12, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::That doesn't match my experiences. I could type in "Megatron," click Search, and then it'd give me a list of pages that mention "Megatron" in the body of the text. It was very useful. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::On the topic of the Monaco skin, can we get some admin feedback on the Monaco skin discussion, please? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::To be sure, yes, that would be useful. As it is, now you'd have to type something like "Megatron's" or "Megatron" and another word to get similar results. And yeah, I've seen notices for the admins from [[User:Toughpigs|Toughpigs]] asking for feedback and wondered when that was going to be resolved.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:Regarding the search box - typing something into the box and hitting "enter," or clicking "go," is the option that takes you directly to the page with the title you've typed. Typing something into the box and actually clicking the button marked "search" is the option that brings up a list of stuff containing the term, and that's the button we appear to have lost here (although on my screen at least, it's coming and going intermittently, but that's probably a browser cache thing). I've not got the Monaco skin on, but regarding that, I rather like it, and I'd like to see it implimented. There's something very "bare bones" about our set up here, and of course, I know that we kinda have that as a show of "not taking everything too seriously," but I'd personally like to see the Monaco skin in use. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::The same function is in the "Advanced Search" link. Am I the only one who sees it or something? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:17, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Cripes, I can't insert a comment before three more jump in before me. No, there's definitely no Search button visible in the Monaco skin as I'm using it, just an arrow with a magnifying glass icon in it (the equivalent of the "Go" button, obviously). I see the "Advanced search" link too, but it doesn't offer quite the same function, in that it doesn't default to the "all text occurrences" option. Rather, you have to choose settings to get that. Not a terrible extra step, but still...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 18:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I see the advanced search link. I also ''REALLY LIKE'' the new 'random page image link' above the search box. Who do I have to thank for that? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I put it in, but it was Siph's idea. Breaking the "Search" button under non-Monaco themes was also my doing, I'm afraid; I was a little zealous with putting in a more useful search and it didn't quite work. It should be back in a day or two. I somehow totally missed any discussion on Monaco coming up; I'll get to commenting on that. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 19:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Primarily Wookieepedia for the idea, Blitz for the implementation, and I suppose me for harraunging her about it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::A random page on search function is really a good idea because that would make us know about more characters. By the way, I think there still need a normal ''search button'' in the original place . :D --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 01:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Then I thank you guys for it. '''IF''' we switch to Monaco, is there any way to do a similar function with that skin? I think the function is very helpful for newcomers to the wiki (and Transformers in general) for they don't have to look through lists of names or randomly search for things. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:17, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I don't think it'd be too hard. If we ''do'' switch to Monaco, there'd need to be some changes done to the search box anyway, since under that, there's no "search" button. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
: Is there a way to make the search image load earlier? Right now it's the very last thing to load; even the flash ads come up earlier. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:: The short answer is no, unfortunately. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Why does the bar show pictures of random characters, but when you go to their pages they have no visual representation? [[User:90.198.228.42|90.198.228.42]] 20:28, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:Because... I don't know really. I don't know why the powers-at-be chose to create these little search pictures for characters that have no pictures. One would think if they had a reasonably sized image to create the search button picture, they could have uploaded the full size image for the page itself. And/or create searchbox pic-links for characters that DO have decent visual representation AND largely completed articles. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
==Familial relationships==

Should we put something up, relating to the idea of siblings or such[[User:GWolfv2]]
:See [[Relatives]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Redesigning the front page ==

Now that the Monaco skin is the default, and Toughpigs is around to help us out, I suggest we figure out a way to redesign the front page so it isn't just a columns of text. Is there any reasonable way for us to have the franchises in the By Series (or anywhere else, really) represented by the franchise logos? The logos can be as recognisable as the names alone, and given we're getting more and more visitors every day, it would be helpful to make the place more visually pleasing and more user-friendly. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:30, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:I think that's still a [[Talk:Main_Page/Archive2#Logos_for_.27By_series.27_column|bad idea]]. The logos were never designed to look good together, and some (like the 2007 movie) are anti-informative. If you can present a design that somehow makes it work, please do. But I don't see how the new skin changes the basic problems. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:56, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::I tend to think the Main Page and its columns of text are just fine as is. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:04, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::Also, wouldn't it perhaps be best to wait a few days for everyone to get home from BotCon before starting a discussion on more major changes like this? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Didn't stop Toughpigs redesigning the whole Wiki... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:18, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Toughpigs has been touting the switch to Monaco for quite some time, and he only finally got the nod from an admin just before BotCon.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:22, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Just wanted to say I love the new look.

===Ad bar issues with Monaco?===
I don't know if it's just me, but trying to load the Wiki in Firefox results in it loading everything up to the adserver stuff, and then Firefox proceeds to hang the fuck up, completely use up all available memory, and force me to kill it through Task Manager. It's kind of a pain in the ass.(I'm using explorer right now) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:I've had no troubles with Firefox 2, nor Firefox 3 beta 5.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:37, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

== Improvement Drive ==
I have no idea how long the "Improvement Drive" column has been there, but it's a great idea, content-wise. However, IMO the links it contains should really be a permanent part of the Help/Start Here column. It's the kind of thing I was talking about [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#.22First_go_here.21__Next_go_here..22 a while ago]. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
:Giving this a bump. Input, anyone? Anyone? If nobody protests, I'd like to merge the contents of the "Improvement drive" section with the "Start here" section. Perhaps a blurb on a more specialized improvement drive -- say, our long-dormant BW improvement drive -- could take the place of the current one. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::Giving this one last bump. If nobody objects, I'm making the changes. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:One of the reasons the Improvement Drive was disbanded on Wookieepedia was because we instead formed projects such as "Tales of the Jedi project" "The New Essential Chronology project". This allowed us to focus on groups of articles which were in need of updating instead of simply one article. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I fully support a "Project" initiative. (Cough cough prose stories cough.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I can definitely live with that - it looks like one of the new users is actually working on RiD stuff, which is an area that I've felt could use more coverage - it's not my area of knowledge, tho. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 01:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yeah. I know a lot about the fiction in GENERAL, but when it comes to what happened in what specific episodes and issues? Not so much. Toys are more my forte... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:49, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::It doesn't help that most of us would need to import the DVDs to write about the fiction. I've been thinking of doing that, but I've already bought a couple of hundred dollars worth of TF DVDs I don't really need soley for writing and screen capping articles for the wiki, which upon reflection is a little insane. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:03, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Please see [[User:Repowers/Sandbox]] for a test page. Feel free to tweak and/or comment. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 04:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
:I weaked the disclaimer, added a countdown to TF2 clock (the page de-caches a couple times a day, so it should remain accurate without having to re-edit, I did a sandbox text to verify) and I got rid of the clickable Animated logo, sicne that template still isn't working right and I haven't figured out how to make it work right.
:Re:Improvement Drive... How about we have a 'goals' list for the month? Like, 20 or 30 articles we want to get up to snuff, chosen for balance. A lot of piddling pages, a few episodes or comics no one's gonna get around to on their own, and one or two major character pages. We can track 'em at the end of the month and see how successful we were. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::Giving this a bump.
::About the list of "ways to help"... thing is, those up-front lists should be geared toward attracting new editors -- new editors who by definition aren't going to know all the million little persnickety formatting things you have to know to set up a new page. Stuff like "fill in a stub" or "add storylinks" is a lot less intimidating, and a lot easier to slide into, than "here, make this page from scratch." I think an expanded list, akin to what's on my sample sandbox, should be near the top of the page, rather than a bunch of red links. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

== Main "Transformers Animated" image ==

It really ought to be clickable. Unfortunately, [[:Template:Click]] currently doesn't actually let you center an image-- it probably needs to be rewritten at some point. Unless someone else volunteers, this is mostly just a reminder to myself. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:53, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:Someone just did that and now the link messes up the main page by covering the links to "Comics", "Generation 1", "(toyline/cartoon/comic)", "Generation 2", and "Help contents". Ugh, it was better off the way it was before. Besides, there was a link to the Animated franchise below the giant logo. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::What poor excuse for a browser are you using? The TFA logo is ''above'' all that stuff. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 23:35, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::The image is, but the link is stretching down over the ones below it. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm using Firefox, and the link ends WAY before that. I have no troubles whatsoever. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 00:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Sabrblade, to repeat- "What browser are you using?" -[[Special:Contributions/75.168.112.43|75.168.112.43]] 01:35, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Internet Explorer 7 is my browser on this particular computer (I use at least three different ones). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 20:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well ''there's'' your problem. IE doesn't follow correct HTML protocol, and each version has a different way of not following it. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:19, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Just realized I'm having the same problem, using Firefox. The link to [[Transformers Animated (franchise)]] from the image is like, bleeding down or something, covering up some of the links below it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:43, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Well, is there any other browser besides Internet Explorer and Firefox that doesn't have the problem? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I just went and had a look at [[:Template:Click]] and tried a few things, but it's beyond me. Can we not just do it in html? It would be a hell of a lot simpler...[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 12:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, with the "no TF:A Dubai spoilers" text written by Chris McFeely, the image no longer covers the G1 and G2 links. It still bleeds down, but only over the link-free text. So until that text gets erased, the image bleeding isn't much of a problem (but it will be again once that text is gone).[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:02, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Still covers them for me, and I'm using the latest Firefox. I'm going to edit this until someone can come up with a better solution - removing the Dubai text will just make it bleed lower down the page, surely... [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 16:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::If any one isn't getting the problem [http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h278/Undecided_tmn/Mainpage_error.jpg here is what it looks like] to me. It's the blue highlighted box. [http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h278/Undecided_tmn/Mainpage_error_IE-1.jpg Here is what it looks like in Internet Explorer]. Screen resolution is 1280x1024. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 22:15, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:I replaced it with an imagemap so it links directly to [[Transformers Animated (franchise)]]. Given that the same image is at the top of that page, I don't think we need the main page to link to the Image page if the only way of doing so messes up the rest of the page. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:50, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::Imagemap is working on wikia now? Yay! IIRC it wasn't 18 months ago when you originally took a stab at <nowiki>{{click}}</nowiki> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Just to check, can imagemap be set to pave part of the image link to the Image page, or is Click the only thing that can do that. (You'd think a template specificly created for use on the Wikia wiki wouldn't have these issues) --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Wikipedia has a template like this that puts a little blue 'i' in the corner of an image- you click on that to get info about it. In this case it's moot-- a single click takes you to the TFA page that lets you access the image info. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:18, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

=="TF dates"?==
Something else Wookiepedia does on its frontpage we... might want to look at stealing... Putting up a "__/__/__: _____ was released" history box. I dunno. It would only be for like comic books, DVDs, TV episodes, street-release-date toys, etc. Though I dunno if TF really has enough... stuff to do that with. I dunno. Idle thought. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:On paper, that's a cool idea. In execution, yeah, I don't think there's quite enough stuff to do it with. We know original episode air dates, and roughly know the street dates of the various comic issues, but we generally have no idea when various and sundry toys hit shelves before, what, '94? If we had enough stuff that there was something to put up at least twice a week (as a "This Week in TF History" thing) I'd say go for it. I guess we could stretch it and add birth dates of TF professionals and that sort of thing, but even then, we're a little sparse, I'd imagine. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 10:42, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

==Front page weirdness==
When clicking on the link for the Generation 1 (comic) or Generation 2 (comic) on the front page, I get taken to Animated (franchise)...but looking at the code the links appear to be correct, else I'd edit them. I've tried refreshing several times but the link is still wrong...anyone else seeing this? [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 12:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] aha, just seen the discussion above about the link "bleeding down"...that would explain it [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 12:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

==Search==
The current search bar only has a "Go" button,we can't look for articles by using keywords now. How are we supposed to look for things we don't know the name of now?[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 20:54, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:Isn't there a "Search" button right next to the "Go" button? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:57, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think there is a search button on the new skin but if you log in and set the wiki back to monobook in your preferences then you'll have a search button [[User:Donutter|Donut]] 21:02, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
: Are we talking Monaco skin, the one with the little arrow with the magnifying glass in it at the very top-left? Or the Monobook skin? I just put "thunder" in the former, clicked the arrow, and boom (ha ha), search results. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::But "Thunder" isn't the name of an article. If it were, it would just give you the article without any other search results, even if you clicked on the magnifying-glass arrow. I can't tell if that's what the anthropomorphic IP address above was asking, but I do know I dislike the reduced functionality of Monaco's search box. As far as I can tell, typing a word and hitting Enter is the same as clicking the arrow. You CAN still search for all occurrences of a word by going to the "Search" link underneath the sidebar. But that's annoying for the need to go to a whole 'nother page. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 04:46, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Nevermind,i figured it out now. Just type "Search:" and then the keywoard before pressing enter. for example,to search for Optimus Prime without annoyingly being redirected,type Search:Optimus Prime .[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 18:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
==Disambig pages==

I've seen three formats. The general, more common one like the Screamer one, the Prime style one and the BB one. Shouldn't we just stick with the one?[[User:GWolfv2]] 21.34 May 23rd
:The Prime page has to be like it is because there are so many things with "Prime" in their name that they need to be split. And why would we have a disambuig page for [[BB]]? If you're talking about Bumblebee, I don't think that page should be like that. Pictures do not help when the differences between one character's different bodies is about the same as the difference between his body and one belonging to another guy with the same name. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:00, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

==Prime Image==
Should an image Animated Prime be added to the front page? maybe replace Movie Prime in the picture if it needs to be a particular size? i think it should be updated to reflect the most modern incarnation of the character [[Special:Contributions/78.32.44.57|78.32.44.57]] 16:34, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
:Problem is, the front page's image is all from Takara's World Of Transformers page. We tried to add AniPrime in there but he didn't fit one bit, so until something better comes along, I do believe this image is going to stay as is. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:47, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

==Universe 2008==
I think you should ad a Universe 2008 link in the "by Series" section.
[[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:46, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:Never mind, I got it. I didn't know I could edit the main page.[[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

== The Irony ==

:In a wiki about transformers their alt modes aren't even mentioned ANYWHERE! I find this odd... {{SUBST::User:Crystal lucario/Sig}} 21:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::There's two articles on popular vehicle and animal modes, transformation article etc. You can't list alt with every character when some don't stick with the one [[User:GWolfv2]] 22.11 June 4th
:::You can find the altmodes for characters, usually, on the Toys section of their articles. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Ok, thanks. {{SUBST::User:Crystal lucario/Sig}} 11:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::psst- subst has to be lowercase. Also- too many colons. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:24, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Just as an example, G1 Optimus is often a semi-cab, but he's also officially transformed into...
* Cybertronic Mobile artillery (Marvel comics, pre-Earth)
* Sportscar (G2)
* Organic bat (super-early BW)
* Cybertronic truck-thing (War Within)
* HISS tank (Devil's Due G.I. Joe)
* Cybertronic pickup (e-hobby Orion Pax toy)
* Some kind of prehistoric animal (Hearts of Steel)
Plus, there was a canceled dump truck Optimus in G2, and plans to make him into a train for Hearts of Steel as well. I don't remember what he turned into for DW's Joe crossover. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:Psst- I come from another wikia so it thought I had a sig. And to M Sipher thank you. I still think that should be somewhere in the artical. Maybe under Forms... {{SUBST::User:Crystal lucario/Sig}} 23:08, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Y'know, it just recently occurred to me that when we scan characters' profile art, we should probably include more than their robot mode. For instance, it seemed like [[:Image:Primal_FPUnivBio.jpg|this pic]] was served by including the gorilla mode because it emphasized the fact that it wasn't his original beast form. Then I uploaded [[:Image:SoundwaveCyb_FPbio.jpg|this image]] and included the jet because it was a particularly well-drawn alt mode. And now that I've done that... I'm going to make a point of including alt-modes whenever I can. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 02:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
:To save on space (tall images are the BANE of the wiki), I placed the smaller images (such as the alt mode) over part of the large images in a picture, such as [[:Image:G1Bomb-Burst_MTMTE1.jpg|what I did for Bomb Burst]]. Of course, I also mostly did it so the uploaded pics would look similar to the original Pretender boxart arrangement (shell behind, robot in the middle, vehicle in the foreground).
:Little Iron's Soundwave looks GREAT, btw. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

== 'Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen' countdown ==
There's 381 days (as of June 9th, 2008) until 'TF2:ROTF' comes out and already there's a countdown box? I know it's too late to remove it, but don't you think it's a ''little'' too soon to put one up? It's like this one 'Garfield' comic strip that was printed on December 26th with Garfield shutting off his alarm clock and declaring "365 days until Christmas!". Well, atleast the box isn't counting down the hours, minutes, and seconds. -[[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 12:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
:I started counting down the days in my head as soon as I learned the release date. I think it's all in good fun, no reason to remove it. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 01:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Since no one said anything... ==

The last discussion of a 'goals' list for the month... somewhere... petered out, so I just threw some on the front page. (Mostly nonexistant wanted articles.) They have a 'star' rating to show how complete they are which you can easily edit. Hopefully we can get these to 5 stars by the end of June! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:Stubbed two of them already, hopefully with enough info that people can pick up easily.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 04:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

:As I said above -
:About the list of "ways to help"... thing is, those up-front lists should be geared toward attracting new editors -- new editors who by definition aren't going to know all the million little persnickety formatting things you have to know to set up a new page. Stuff like "fill in a stub" or "add storylinks" is a lot less intimidating, and a lot easier to slide into, than "here, make this page from scratch." I think an expanded list, akin to what's on my sample sandbox, should be near the top of the page, rather than a bunch of red links. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
::I would be for that. I wanted a lost of articles that needed to be brought to completion that were already clocked in. I just didn't know which to pick! Sub some out!
::I just-- I like the list because it gives a visible sense of progress (at the end of the month) on articles that no one would be inclined to work on on their own. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:59, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

==Should we have info boxes==
{{Transformers character|
name =Blitzwing
|image =blitzwing-animated.jpg
|caption =
|affiliation =Decepticon
|subgroup =Voyagers [[Triple Changer]]
|function =Berserker
|partner =
|motto =''"Whoooo, I'm freaking out!"'' <ref>[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/animated/default.cfm?page=Bio&character=blitzwing Character bios for Transformers Animated characters]</ref>
|alternatemodes = Dual-Barreled Assault Tank/Fighter Jet
|series =[[Transformers: Animated]]
|engvoice = [[Bumper Robinson]]
|japanvoice =
}}

It is to include some detail like this for example

:It was decided against long ago for many logistical nightmare reasons, the primary ones being that so many characters have very different bodies, affiliations, functions, mottos, jump continuities... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:It would be a nightmare. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmmmmm, I see. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 09:26, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
:What is Optimsu Prime (G1)'s altmode? He's has close to 50. Even if 50% of them are trucks... the other 25 aren't. Character abilities, weapons and allegiance have shifted over ltierally millions of years, as have their bodies, catchphrases, names- and even genders.
:We've taken a serious look at character boxes at least 3 times, and every proposal, no matter comprehensive, it's easy to find a character for which the box simply... ''breaks'', being unable to accommodate the diversity of experience the character has had.
:Character boxes are a good idea, they provide a quick thumbnail overview of a character's history... but we don't want thumbnail overviews, we want in-depth infromation. If you wanted a thumbnail overview, go to Wikipedia, which deletes and trims articles containing 'unnecessarily in-depth information.' -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:43, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>