Talk:Whirl (ROTF)

2011-06-16T09:45:30Z

99.64.126.254:

Is there a strong reason to believe this guy is different from the previous Movie Whirls?--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 05:30, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

:Bump. Anyone? --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 22:33, 7 June 2011 (EDT)
::I would agree to it. I've added the merge notice to [[Whirl (ROTF)]] hoping to attract more attention. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:14, 8 June 2011 (EDT
I agree. We meged DOTM< Backfire with the HFTD one right?[[User:Starscream0625|Starscream0625]] 11:00, 9 June 2011 (EDT)

:::I wouldn't think so. One's a Metallikato master and the other is a strategist. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:38, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::::But those are not mutually exclusive things, in fact they would draw on similar mental skills. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:41, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::Yeah. Two things: 1)link to the text that calls him a strategist? and 2) as said above, one can easily be a strategist and know "robo-fu." Infact that fits pretty well. Our policy has been to regard pan-movie characters as the same guy unless there's a strong reason not too, IIRC, I havn't seen one yet for these two.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 13:44, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::1) The description on this page is a paraphrase of his on package bio. 2) Yeah, I'm going on the idea that same name + same continuity family = same dude ''unless proven otherwise'' (contradictory information or appearance of both at one time). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:49, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::::But the page doesn't say any thing to suggest he's a Strategist, as in the job. One can like to plan things out before acting without being a Strategist. If the toy bio specifically says that's his job/function (does it? A link to that bio was kinda what I was asking for above ) then I think we should rewrite the profile here to make that clear. But either way, year, that's not enough to seperate them IMO.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 14:22, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::::His on pack bio is [http://www.hasbro.com/shop/details.cfm?guid=472E4060-5056-900B-104A-3D747580F5DF&product_id=28609&src=endeca here]. Doesn't look like he is a "strategist" per se. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:28, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:So then when do we put up the merge proposal for the [[Smokescreen (Armada)|Aurex]] [[Smokescreen (Cybertron)|Smokescreens]]? And then we can tackle the [[Sky High (Micromaster)|Sky]] [[Sky High (Pretender)|Highs]], and throw in a note that in Dreamwave they're different guys, like IDW's Megatron/Galvatron and Bumblebee/Goldbug. At least the PCC guys we merged had ''some'' sort of hint towards being the same. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 15:32, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::We're talking characters with out fiction appearances and without conflicting bios, with the same name and same alt mode in the same universe. Occum's Razor and simplicity says they belong together till we have ANY reason to think they're separate people.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 15:45, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::::There's nothing in Cybertron Smokescreen's bio that contradicts him being Armada Smokescreen. He'd have to stop being Hoist, but if Megatron can do it... --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 15:54, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::Actually, I have long thought that the two Smokescreens should be merged. The fact that the two Sky Highs are shown separate in IDW would keep them separate pages. Unless other fiction showed that they were the same in some universes. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:46, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
Honestly I think it's clear they are different characters....HUGE difference in size...no mention of any martial arts skills in the toy bio of the smaller one....One is a very large battle copter and the other is an extremely tiny one person helicopter that triple changes into a gun weapon. Not to mention they are completely different colors, and simply couldn't look more different from one another. I think it would be a huge mistake merging these two as they are clearly not the same character. [[Special:Contributions/99.64.126.254|99.64.126.254]] 05:43, 16 June 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Whirl (ROTF)

2011-06-16T09:43:20Z

99.64.126.254:

Is there a strong reason to believe this guy is different from the previous Movie Whirls?--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 05:30, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

:Bump. Anyone? --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 22:33, 7 June 2011 (EDT)
::I would agree to it. I've added the merge notice to [[Whirl (ROTF)]] hoping to attract more attention. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:14, 8 June 2011 (EDT
I agree. We meged DOTM< Backfire with the HFTD one right?[[User:Starscream0625|Starscream0625]] 11:00, 9 June 2011 (EDT)

:::I wouldn't think so. One's a Metallikato master and the other is a strategist. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:38, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::::But those are not mutually exclusive things, in fact they would draw on similar mental skills. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:41, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::Yeah. Two things: 1)link to the text that calls him a strategist? and 2) as said above, one can easily be a strategist and know "robo-fu." Infact that fits pretty well. Our policy has been to regard pan-movie characters as the same guy unless there's a strong reason not too, IIRC, I havn't seen one yet for these two.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 13:44, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::1) The description on this page is a paraphrase of his on package bio. 2) Yeah, I'm going on the idea that same name + same continuity family = same dude ''unless proven otherwise'' (contradictory information or appearance of both at one time). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:49, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::::But the page doesn't say any thing to suggest he's a Strategist, as in the job. One can like to plan things out before acting without being a Strategist. If the toy bio specifically says that's his job/function (does it? A link to that bio was kinda what I was asking for above ) then I think we should rewrite the profile here to make that clear. But either way, year, that's not enough to seperate them IMO.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 14:22, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::::His on pack bio is [http://www.hasbro.com/shop/details.cfm?guid=472E4060-5056-900B-104A-3D747580F5DF&product_id=28609&src=endeca here]. Doesn't look like he is a "strategist" per se. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:28, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:So then when do we put up the merge proposal for the [[Smokescreen (Armada)|Aurex]] [[Smokescreen (Cybertron)|Smokescreens]]? And then we can tackle the [[Sky High (Micromaster)|Sky]] [[Sky High (Pretender)|Highs]], and throw in a note that in Dreamwave they're different guys, like IDW's Megatron/Galvatron and Bumblebee/Goldbug. At least the PCC guys we merged had ''some'' sort of hint towards being the same. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 15:32, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::We're talking characters with out fiction appearances and without conflicting bios, with the same name and same alt mode in the same universe. Occum's Razor and simplicity says they belong together till we have ANY reason to think they're separate people.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 15:45, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::::There's nothing in Cybertron Smokescreen's bio that contradicts him being Armada Smokescreen. He'd have to stop being Hoist, but if Megatron can do it... --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 15:54, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::Actually, I have long thought that the two Smokescreens should be merged. The fact that the two Sky Highs are shown separate in IDW would keep them separate pages. Unless other fiction showed that they were the same in some universes. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:46, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
Honestly I think it's clear they are different characters....HUGE difference in size...no mention of any martial arts skills in the toy bio of the smaller one....One is a very large battle copter and the other is an extremely tiny one person helicopter that triple changes into a gun weapon. I think it would be a huge mistake merging these two as they are clearly not the same character. [[Special:Contributions/99.64.126.254|99.64.126.254]] 05:43, 16 June 2011 (EDT)

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