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2014-03-25T04:04:08Z

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* '''[[March 22|03–22]]''' — The ''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots (cartoon)|Rescue Bots]]'' episode "[[Spellbound]]" premieres on [[Hub Network]].
* '''[[Template:March|03–26]]''' — ''[[Dark Cybertron]]'' [[Dark Cybertron Chapter 12|#12]] and ''[[Transformers Prime: Beast Hunters (comic)|Beast Hunters]]'' Volume 2 TPB are released by [[IDW Publishing]].
* '''[[March 29|03–29]]''' — The ''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots (cartoon)|Rescue Bots]]'' episode "[[A Virtual Disaster]]" premieres on [[Hub Network]]. [[TakaraTomy]] releases ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|MP-13B Soundblaster]] with [[Ratbat (G1)#Masterpiece|Ratbat]] and ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' [[Mini-Con Assault Team|TG-32 Mini-Con Assault Team]] and [[Starscream (Armada)#Generations|TG-33 Armada Starscream]].

* '''[[Template:April|04–??]]''' — ''[[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Robots in Disguise issue 28|#28]], ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' [[More than Meets the Eye issue 28|#28]], ''[[The Transformers: Windblade|Windblade]]'' [[Windblade issue 1|#1]], ''[[Dark Cybertron]]'' Volume 1 TPB and ''[[Legacy: The Art of Transformers Packaging]]'' are released by [[IDW Publishing]].
* '''[[April 5|04–05]]''' — The ''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots (cartoon)|Rescue Bots]]'' episode "[[Prescott's Bots]]" premieres on [[Hub Network]].
* '''[[April 12|04–12]]''' — The ''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots (cartoon)|Rescue Bots]]'' episode "[[Blame the Gremlins]]" premieres on [[Hub Network]].
* '''[[April 19|04–19]]''' — The ''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots (cartoon)|Rescue Bots]]'' episode "[[Feed the Beast]]" premieres on [[Hub Network]].
* '''[[April 26|04–26]]''' — The ''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots (cartoon)|Rescue Bots]]'' episode "[[What Lies Below]]" premieres on [[Hub Network]].

* '''[[Template:May|05–??]]''' — ''[[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Robots in Disguise issue 29|#29]], ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' [[More than Meets the Eye issue 29|#29]], ''[[The Transformers: Windblade|Windblade]]'' [[Windblade issue 2|#2]] and ''[[The Transformers: Regeneration One|Regeneration One]]'' Volume 4 TPB are released by [[IDW Publishing]].
* '''[[May 3|05–03]] —''' [[Free Comic Book Day]]: ''[[The Transformers vs. G.I. Joe]]'' [[The Transformers vs. G.I. Joe issue 0|#0]] is released by [[IDW Publishing]].
* '''[[May 13|05–13]] —''' [[Little, Brown and Company|LB Kids]] releases the ''[[Transformers: Kre-O Character Encyclopedia]]'' with [[exclusive]] [[Optimus Prime (Kre-O)#OrionPax|Orion Pax]] [[Kreon]].

* '''[[June 19|06–19]] —''' The first day of [[BotCon 2014]] in Pasadena, California.
* '''[[June 27|06–27]] —''' ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Transformers: Age of Extinction]]'' is scheduled to be released.

* '''[[August 17|08–17]] —''' "[[Hell Day]]": The Decepticons led by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] invade [[Earth]] with [[Teletran 3]]'s teleportation ability, and devastate the planet. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 3|G.I Joe vs. the Transformers II #3}}
* '''[[August 23|08–23]] —''' [[TakaraTomy]] releases ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|MP-20 Wheeljack]].
* '''[[Soon|Scheduled, but date TBD]]''' — ''[[Transformers Universe]]'' is released by [[Jagex]]. ''[[Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark]]'' is released by [[Activision Blizzard|Activision]]. ''[[The Transformers: The IDW Collection|The IDW Collection]]'' Volume 2 (Red Label edition) and ''[[The Transformers Classics UK Volume 5]]'' are released by [[IDW Publishing]]. [[TakaraTomy]] releases ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|MP-21 Bumble]], [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|MP-22 Ultra Magnus]] and [[Star Saber (Victory)#Masterpiece|Star Saber]].

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Main Page/schedule

2014-03-25T04:03:38Z

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* '''[[Template:March|03–26]]''' — ''[[Dark Cybertron]]'' [[Dark Cybertron Chapter 12|#12]] and ''[[Transformers Prime: Beast Hunters (comic)|Beast Hunters]]'' Volume 2 TPB are released by [[IDW Publishing]].
* '''[[March 22|03–22]]''' — The ''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots (cartoon)|Rescue Bots]]'' episode "[[Spellbound]]" premieres on [[Hub Network]].
* '''[[March 29|03–29]]''' — The ''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots (cartoon)|Rescue Bots]]'' episode "[[A Virtual Disaster]]" premieres on [[Hub Network]]. [[TakaraTomy]] releases ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|MP-13B Soundblaster]] with [[Ratbat (G1)#Masterpiece|Ratbat]] and ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' [[Mini-Con Assault Team|TG-32 Mini-Con Assault Team]] and [[Starscream (Armada)#Generations|TG-33 Armada Starscream]].

* '''[[Template:April|04–??]]''' — ''[[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Robots in Disguise issue 28|#28]], ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' [[More than Meets the Eye issue 28|#28]], ''[[The Transformers: Windblade|Windblade]]'' [[Windblade issue 1|#1]], ''[[Dark Cybertron]]'' Volume 1 TPB and ''[[Legacy: The Art of Transformers Packaging]]'' are released by [[IDW Publishing]].
* '''[[April 5|04–05]]''' — The ''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots (cartoon)|Rescue Bots]]'' episode "[[Prescott's Bots]]" premieres on [[Hub Network]].
* '''[[April 12|04–12]]''' — The ''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots (cartoon)|Rescue Bots]]'' episode "[[Blame the Gremlins]]" premieres on [[Hub Network]].
* '''[[April 19|04–19]]''' — The ''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots (cartoon)|Rescue Bots]]'' episode "[[Feed the Beast]]" premieres on [[Hub Network]].
* '''[[April 26|04–26]]''' — The ''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots (cartoon)|Rescue Bots]]'' episode "[[What Lies Below]]" premieres on [[Hub Network]].

* '''[[Template:May|05–??]]''' — ''[[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Robots in Disguise issue 29|#29]], ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' [[More than Meets the Eye issue 29|#29]], ''[[The Transformers: Windblade|Windblade]]'' [[Windblade issue 2|#2]] and ''[[The Transformers: Regeneration One|Regeneration One]]'' Volume 4 TPB are released by [[IDW Publishing]].
* '''[[May 3|05–03]] —''' [[Free Comic Book Day]]: ''[[The Transformers vs. G.I. Joe]]'' [[The Transformers vs. G.I. Joe issue 0|#0]] is released by [[IDW Publishing]].
* '''[[May 13|05–13]] —''' [[Little, Brown and Company|LB Kids]] releases the ''[[Transformers: Kre-O Character Encyclopedia]]'' with [[exclusive]] [[Optimus Prime (Kre-O)#OrionPax|Orion Pax]] [[Kreon]].

* '''[[June 19|06–19]] —''' The first day of [[BotCon 2014]] in Pasadena, California.
* '''[[June 27|06–27]] —''' ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Transformers: Age of Extinction]]'' is scheduled to be released.

* '''[[August 17|08–17]] —''' "[[Hell Day]]": The Decepticons led by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] invade [[Earth]] with [[Teletran 3]]'s teleportation ability, and devastate the planet. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 3|G.I Joe vs. the Transformers II #3}}
* '''[[August 23|08–23]] —''' [[TakaraTomy]] releases ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|MP-20 Wheeljack]].
* '''[[Soon|Scheduled, but date TBD]]''' — ''[[Transformers Universe]]'' is released by [[Jagex]]. ''[[Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark]]'' is released by [[Activision Blizzard|Activision]]. ''[[The Transformers: The IDW Collection|The IDW Collection]]'' Volume 2 (Red Label edition) and ''[[The Transformers Classics UK Volume 5]]'' are released by [[IDW Publishing]]. [[TakaraTomy]] releases ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|MP-21 Bumble]], [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|MP-22 Ultra Magnus]] and [[Star Saber (Victory)#Masterpiece|Star Saber]].

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Talk:The War to End All Wars, Part 5

2014-03-20T21:07:50Z

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==Death tally==
In issues like this one, where minor characters get offed in the background, some sort of list of the dead seems appropriate in the notes. Just something to consider going forward. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 20:56, 19 March 2014 (EDT)
:Poor Slingshot...he can't survive any Marvel finale.--[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] ([[User talk:Nu-Priest|talk]]) 11:36, 20 March 2014 (EDT)
:I put together a death tally for all of RG1 over at Transfans though for this issue it was easier just to list who's still alive. I can post it here if it'll be helpful? --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 15:17, 20 March 2014 (EDT)
:If you want to get really technical everyone dies.--[[User:Altercron|Altercron]] ([[User talk:Altercron|talk]]) 17:07, 20 March 2014 (EDT)

Talk:Burning Bright: Dark Cybertron Chapter 8

2014-02-05T18:48:16Z

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"It's not clear which Generations toy this issue is going to come packaged with; Tailgate appears on the subscription cover, but he's a Legends-class toy, and only the Deluxe-class figures are coming with comics." I'm betting Windblade since she debuts here.--[[User:Altercron|Altercron]] ([[User talk:Altercron|talk]]) 13:48, 5 February 2014 (EST)

Talk:Burning Bright: Dark Cybertron Chapter 8

2014-02-05T18:48:05Z

Altercron: Created page with ""It's not clear which Generations toy this issue is going to come packaged with; Tailgate appears on the subscription cover, but he's a Legends-class toy, and only the Deluxe-..."

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2013-12-12T03:03:33Z

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* '''[[December 10|12–10]] —''' [[Amazon (website)|Amazon]] publishes ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus]]''.
* '''[[December 11|12–11]] —''' ''[[The Transformers: Monstrosity]]'' TPB and ''[[Transformers Prime: Beast Hunters (comic)|Beast Hunters]]'' [[Beast Hunters issue 8|#8]] are released by [[IDW Publishing]].
* '''[[December 14|12–14]] —''' [[TakaraTomy]] releases ''[[The_Transformers:_Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' [[Smokescreen (G1)#Masterpiece|MP-19 Smokescreen]].
* '''[[December 18|12–18]] —''' ''[[The Transformers: Regeneration One|Regeneration One]]'' [[The War to End All Wars, Part 2|#97]] and ''[[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Robots in Disguise issue 24|#24]] (Dark Cybertron Chapter 5) released by [[IDW Publishing]].
* '''[[Soon|Scheduled, but date TBD]]''' — ''[[Transformers Universe]]'' is released by [[Jagex]]. ''[[Transformers: The Art of Prime]]'', ''[[The Transformers: The IDW Collection|The IDW Collection]]'' volume 2 (Red Label edition) and ''[[The Transformers Classics UK Volume 5]]'' are released by [[IDW Publishing]].
;2014
* '''[[Template:January|01–??]]''' — ''[[Transformers: Retribution]]'' is released by [[Del Rey Books]]. ''[[The Transformers: Regeneration One|Regeneration One]]'' Volume 3 and [[The War to End All Wars, Part 3|#98]], ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' [[More than Meets the Eye issue 25|#25]], ''[[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Robots in Disguise issue 25|#25]] and [[The X-Files: Conspiracy]] #1 are released by [[IDW Publishing]].
* '''[[February 22|02–22]]''' — [[TakaraTomy]] releases ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' [[Sideswipe (G1)#Masterpiece|MP-12G G2 Sideswipe]].
* '''[[March 29|03–29]]''' — [[TakaraTomy]] releases ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|MP-13B Soundblaster]] with [[Ratbat (G1)#Masterpiece|Ratbat]].
* '''Q2 — ''' [[TakaraTomy]] releases ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' [[Wheeljack_(G1)/toys#Masterpiece|MP-20 Wheeljack]], [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|MP-21 Bumble]] and [[Ultra_Magnus_(G1)/toys#Masterpiece|MP-22 Ultra Magnus]].
* '''[[May 13|05–13]] —''' [[Little, Brown and Company|LB Kids]] releases the ''[[Transformers: Kre-O Character Encyclopedia]]'' with [[exclusive]] [[Optimus Prime (Kre-O)#OrionPax|Orion Pax]] [[Kreon]].
* '''[[June 27|06–27]] —''' ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Transformers: Age of Extinction]]'' is tentatively scheduled to be released.
* '''[[August 17|08–17]] —''' "[[Hell Day]]": The Decepticons led by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] invade [[Earth]] with [[Teletran 3]]'s teleportation ability, and devastate the planet. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 3|G.I Joe vs. the Transformers II #3}}
* '''[[Soon|Scheduled, but date TBD]]''' - [[TakaraTomy]] releases ''[[The_Transformers:_Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' [[Star Saber (Victory)#Masterpiece|MP-23 Star Saber]].

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The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 2

2013-11-06T21:09:44Z

Altercron: /* Quotes */

{{episode
|image=Aerialbots group.jpg
|caption=Optimus, remind us why this is a good idea again?
|series=G1toon
|ep=57
|series2=SRLFtoon
|ep2=43
|prev2=The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 1
|next2=Sea Change
|title="The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 2"
|written by=[[David Wise]]
|production code=700-56
|airdate=[[November 26]], 1985
|production company=[[Sunbow Productions]]
|animation studio=[[Toei]]
|continuity=[[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]
}}

'''To counter the new Stunticons, the Autobots create the Aerialbots, but the new team members aren't so sure about the Autobot cause.'''

==Synopsis==
[[Image:KeyVectorSigma Alpha merge.JPG|left|200px|thumb|It's not a mystical experience, you morons! My hand's stuck! HELP! GET ME DOWN FROM HERE!]]
On [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], the Autobots are busy converting old drone rockets into [[Earth]] planes. Once their redesigns are complete, they take the ships to [[Vector Sigma]]. However, without the [[Key to Vector Sigma]], which is in the possession of [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]], they cannot activate the supercomputer and give Cybertronic personalities to the new bots. [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]], however, intends to activate it by merging his lifeforce with the computer. [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] tries to stop him, but Alpha Trion merges with the supercomputer. It gives life to the new Aerialbots: [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]], [[Slingshot (G1)|Slingshot]], [[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)|Skydive]], [[Fireflight (G1)|Fireflight]], and [[Air Raid (G1)|Air Raid]].

[[Image:KeyVectorSigma2 Omega boom.JPG|right|200px|thumb|Vulnerability to plot: disturbing.]]

The Autobots and Aerialbots prepare to leave, but Alpha Trion gives Optimus a warning: the Key to Vector Sigma will have different properties on Earth, which could destroy the planet. However, [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] overhears this. Heading back to the surface, the Autobots and Aerialbots encounter more [[Centurion droid]]s, but the Aerialbots are able to get them to [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]. Omega returns them to Earth, but suddenly explodes.

[[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]], [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]], and [[Sparkplug Witwicky]] begin working to restore Omega, while the Autobots and Aerialbots head toward the base with the [[superfuel]]. Shockwave contacts Megatron, informing him of the recent developments on Cybertron, and the Key's power, so Megatron decides to run some tests. At the base, the [[human]]s believe that the Autobots attacked them, and open fire. Slingshot is pissed, but [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] reminds them that they are simply confused. Suddenly, they detect high speed movement. Optimus initially believes that it's [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] and the [[Seeker (body-type)|jets]], but it's the Stunticons, who quickly overwhelm the Autobots, forcing the Aerialbots to take to the air. Slingshot is attacked by [[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]]. Silverbolt goes to save him, but suddenly panics. Megatron, still testing the Key, orders the Stunticons to return to base.

[[Image:KeyVectorSigma2 key metal.JPG|left|200px|thumb|Turns everything it touches into lifeless metal. Just like Nickelback.]]

However, during the tests, [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]] trips and drops the Key, causing it to discharge its energy... turning the ground below it into metal. Megatron realizes that the Key can not only give life to machines, but also turn organic matter into metal. He now has a new plan—convert Earth into a new Cybertron.

Back at the base, the Aerialbots are unimpressed with the Autobots and disgusted with the humans they are supposed to defend. Optimus confronts Silverbolt about his panic, and learns that Silverbolt is afraid of heights. In a questionable command decision, Optimus appoints Silverbolt to be Aerialbot leader, hoping it will give him something to focus on other than fear. Soon, [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I]] detects the energy emissions from the Key, and its result. The [[Decepticon]]s are heading toward [[Seattle]], and the Autobots roll out. Meanwhile, Silverbolt attempts to convince the Aerialbots to return to the [[Ark (G1)|base]], saying that if they're the best, they should run the place. He shows them that the Decepticons will destroy them, showing how bad they are. He also shows the humans' capacity for compassion, letting them see how Sparkplug continues to work on Omega while Ratchet goes to recharge. Convinced, the Aerialbots move out.

[[Image:KeyVectorSigma2 Superion Menasor.JPG|right|200px|thumb|Say hello to my little friend.]]

Near Seattle, the Stunticons are overwhelming the Autobots, with Optimus Prime about to be crushed to death, when the Aerialbots arrive and save the Autobot leader. Megatron and Optimus reveal their last aces in the hole, ordering the Stunticons and Aerialbots to form [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] and [[Superion (G1)|Superion]], respectively. Menasor has the strength advantage, but Omega Supreme arrives, and turns the tide. The Decepticons retreat with the Key, but Silverbolt races after Megatron, knocking the Key from his hand and switching to robot mode to destroy it. Silverbolt believes he's about to go splat, but Slingshot manages to save him. The Aerialbots are convinced to join the Autobots, while Optimus appears convinced that Alpha Trion made the right choice.

{{--}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] (1)
* [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] (2)
* [[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blaster]] (3)
* [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (4)
* [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (5)
* [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] (6)
* [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] (7)
* [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]] (9)
* [[Air Raid (G1)|Air Raid]] (10)
* [[Fireflight (G1)|Fireflight]] (11)
* [[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)|Skydive]] (12)
* [[Slingshot (G1)|Slingshot]] (13)
* [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] (24)
* [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] (26)
* [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]] (27)
* [[Jazz (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Jazz]] (28)
* [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] (30)

|c2=
* [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] (14)
* [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] (15)
* [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]] (16)
* [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (17)
* [[Breakdown (G1)|Breakdown]] (18)
* [[Wildrider (G1)|Wildrider]] (19)
* [[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]] (20)
* [[Drag Strip (G1)|Drag Strip]] (21)
* [[Dead End (G1)|Dead End]] (22)
* [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] (29)

|c3=
* Army General (24)
* [[Sparkplug Witwicky]] (25)

|c4=
* [[Vector Sigma]] (8)
* [[Centurion droid]]s (23)
}}

==Quotes==
[[Image:Omega cybertron.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Did you bring me any souvenirs?]]
[[File:KeytoVectorSigmaPt2 Slingshot Motormaster.jpg|thumb|right|200px|In this shot, Motormaster acts as a cathartic avatar for the audience.]]
"He gave himself up just so we could have some jets? That's nuts!" 
"No. ''One'' Autobot gave his life so that ''six'' could be born. He made a choice...the kind of choice I hope they'll be able to make when the time's right."
:—'''Blaster''' and '''Optimus Prime''' on the sacrifice of Alpha Trion to create the Aerialbots. Prime approves of the kamikaze concept, apparently.

"And we're sworn to protect these bird brains?"
:—'''Slingshot''', on humans

"Somebody ought to revoke those dudes' driver licenses." 
"Those guys are out of their cotton picking heads!"
:—'''Blaster''' and '''Ironhide''' after their first encounter with the Stunticons.

"He's afraid of heights, can you believe it? And you call yourself a jet."
:—'''Slingshot''' figures out Silverbolt's phobia

"Our best bet would be Omega Supreme, but he's down, maybe dying."
"And you let the Aerialbots take a powder?"
:—'''Optimus Prime''' sures knows how to liven up a party. '''Ironhide''' isn't helping much.

'''Skydive:''' "The robot ran out of power ..." 
'''Air Raid:''' "...but the human is still working! Where does he get his energy?" 
'''Silverbolt:''' "From his wellspring of concern for an Autobot. Are you ''getting the point yet?'' We owe the ''Autobots'' our ''liiivvees!''"
:—'''Silverbolt''' sets the Aerialbots straight about a couple of things.

[[File:KTVS2 superion vs menasor.jpg|thumb|right|200px|I'ma get my Kill Menasor on.]]
"Aerialbots, show 'em what you've got!" 
"NO! It can't be!" 
"Surprise, Megatron! Meet Superion!"
:—'''Optimus Prime''' introduces the shocked '''Megatron''' to the first Autobot combiner.

"So long, cruel world!"
:—'''Silverbolt''' after destroying the Key to Vector Sigma

==Notes==
===Animation or technical glitches===
[[File:Ktvs prime and trion.jpg|thumb|right|200px| ]]
* The glowing aura around Vector Sigma appears and disappears repeatedly between shots.
* As Alpha Trion merges with Vector Sigma, two of Blaster's buttons suddenly merge into one.
* "He made a choice..." Wheeljack's missing his orange details.
* Vector Sigma clearly has the key stuck in the side of it when it creates the Aerialbots.
* Shockwave's eye isn't colored its usual bright yellow as he walks in during the Aerialbots' creation.
* The Aerialbots are missing whilst Optimus gives his request for the Aerialbots' personalities.
* Fireflight is entirely blocked by Optimus Prime's head during his introduction line. Down in front!
* Shockwave's "ears" are purple instead of gray as he listens in on Alpha Trion's warning.
* "More I cannot say." - Optimus is missing one of his smokestacks.
* "So what are we waiting for?" - the top of Ironhide's torso is all red; it should be half gray.
* When Shockwave contacts Megatron in-flight, Breakdown is colored as Silverbolt.
* "Then we'll need a secret place to examine it further." - Wildrider is colored like Alpha Trion.
* As Omega watches the Aerialbots fly out of the tunnel, the animators use the cheatsy route of coloring his visor a solid yellow, rather than drawing his face underneath it.
* Omega's wound is clearly shown on the thick band below his Autobot symbol; the camera lingers on it for a long, significant moment as he leaves Cybertron. In the very next shot, the damage is gone. It doesn't re-appear until the shot of Omega exploding.
[[File:KtVspt2 blaster sonics.jpg|thumb|right|200px| ]]
* Blaster gets a transformation noise as he spins around to unleash a sonic assault on the Stunticons, even though he doesn't transform.
* Blaster is drawn delivering Ironhide's "Those guys are out of their cotton-pickin' heads" line.
* Speaking of Blaster, the coloring on his helmet is wrong as often as it's right. Multiple times, the round central part is colored red instead of white.
* When Ironhide argues with Slingshot about the Decepticons retreating, his waist is vastly oversized, looking somewhat like a...skirt...until Optimus intercedes, at which point it disappears for a moment before returning to its normal design.
[[File:Ktvs2 ironhide vs slingshot.jpg|thumb|right|200px| ]]
* Later, as Slingshot tells Ironhide that the Aerialbots don't need the Autobots, the symbol on Ironhide's chest overlaps with the area near his waist, rather than being entirely on the rim under his windshield.
* As Ironhide walks up to challenge Slingshot, the inside of Skydive's cheekguards are the same yellow as his face, rather than the gray of his helmet.
* In the same sequence, Optimus' smoke stacks are drawn mid-way down his shoulders.
* As the Aerialbots follow Slingshot out of Autobot Headquarters, Silverbolt is missing his right arm. It appears as he turns to look after them.
* "On this world..." Soundwave's cheekguards are blue instead of silver. The camera then closes in on a rather badly-drawn Megatron... only to cut to a different shot showing Megatron at the same angle, in the same pose, but much more detailed and precise.
* Improbable viewpoints:
** Teletraan somehow gives Prime a first-person, on-the-ground look at what Megatron's up to. Did the Sky Spy just plop down in the forest?
* Teletraan's map of the central US is a bit distorted. Mississippi extends all the way up to the top of Tennessee, for example, and Kentucky appears to have split into three states.
* "And you let the Aerialbots take a powder?" - the tops of Blaster's cheekguards are white instead of red.
* Slingshot is drawn mouthing Silverbolt's line about responsibility, and then Silverbolt continues gesticulating randomly while Slingshot delivers a lengthy retort.
* "None of the Autobots can hold a candle to us!" - the top of Slingshot's head is white instead of yellow.
* As Blaster says, "This is slaughter!," Optimus' headlights are red (with a strange pattern of panel lines) instead of white.
* Silverbolt has no transformation sound as he returns to robot mode to destroy the key.
* On the [[Rhino Entertainment|Kid Rhino]] version of this episode that uses the original pre-broadcast film elements, once the key is destroyed towards the end, the forest is shown turning into metal, rather than returning to normal. This shot was corrected on broadcast, and the [[Shout! Factory]] version restores the corrected shot from the broadcast master.

===Continuity errors===
[[File:KtVS2 Omega Supreme in pieces.jpg|thumb|right|200px|"You got this? No? Good."]]
* The shuttlecraft that the Autobots rebuild are vastly larger than the Aerialbots they become.
* The Autobots are in a rush to rebuild Omega Supreme, correct? So why in the world does Optimus Prime have Wheeljack ''and'' Hoist - both fix-it men - come with him to visit the Earth naval base? Shouldn't they be at headquarters, trying to help to rebuild Omega? Wheeljack can be briefly seen helping Ratchet after the fight with the Stunticons.
* Even more than most episodes, this one calls attention to the oddity of Omega Supreme's transformation. His rocket mode is the only part of him that travels through space; yet when he gets wherever he's going, he can always transform to his full robot mode, including all the bits he left behind on Earth. In this ep, Omega actually fires off his arms from his robot mode while running along - clearly leaving behind an armless robot on Cybertron!
* On-screen, Omega Supreme's explosion comes off as completely random - seemingly caused by nothing more than a random hole in his side whose cause is unknown to us. See the Trivia notes below for the lost explanation.
* Megatron said that the Key To Vector Sigma "de-energizes matter, turns it into metal". We can buy the turns-it-into-metal bit as handwaving techno science stuff... but removing energy from matter doesn't turn it into metal. (And if it did - wouldn't Megatron be stuck with an energyless world?)
* The Autobots might fare better against the Stunticons if they would ''stop and shoot them'' instead of driving around in circles. Y'know, shooting? That thing that works against all the other Decepticons all the time?
* Menasor rips the top floors off a building and smashes Superion with it. Hope the attack happened on a weekend, 'cause otherwise a bunch of people just ''died''!

===Continuity notes===
* Alpha Trion notes that he is a "first-generation product of Vector Sigma. We share the same computation matrix." He then reactivates the computer by merging his own power supply - and life force - with it.
* Omega can simply launch his arms into the air to form his rocket ship.
* This is [[The Key|not the last]] you'll hear of the Key to Vector Sigma. The Key, and, in particular, its ability to transform organic material into techno-matter play a key role in the events of ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Machines]]''.

===Real-world references===
* The sound effect used for Omega Supreme's brain pulses is the same one used for the [[Dalek]] control rooms in all episodes of ''[[Doctor|Doctor Who]]'' since 1963. It had previously been used in [[Microbots]].
* The final battle happens just outside the Seattle-Tacoma region.
* ''Star Wars'' sound effects:
** ''Millenium Falcon'' engine burst and TIE fighter roar as the Aerialbots first take to the air on Cybertron.
** ''Falcon'' engine again as the Aerialbots fly out of the tunnel, TIE engine as they enter Omega, and ''Falcon'' a third time as Omega flies away from Cybertron.
** ''Falcon'' engine yet again as Omega flies through space, and again as he touches down on Earth.
** Diving X-Wing fighter sound as Silverbolt aborts his attempt to help Slingshot.
** A clashing lightsaber sound is used repeatedly for the Key's matter-transforming effect.

===Trivia===
[[File:KtVS2 Introducing Menasor.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Menasor, voiced by Lou Reed's ''Metal Machine Music''.]]
[[File:Ktvs2 see you next fall.jpg|thumb|right|200px|It's alright, Soundwave. Everyone is allowed at least one DURP moment.]]
*The tank vehicles seen at the army base are the M.O.B.A.T. and the Armadillo from the ''[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]'' animated series.
*The Aerialbots conclude that humans are worthless after watching [[television]]. Should this tell us something?
*During the script stage, this episode had the sub-title "Fury of the Aerialbots".
*In this episode, Superion and Menasor are voiced by [[Frank Welker]] and [[Roger C. Carmel]] respectively, but from their next appearances onwards, the characters were both recast with new voices ([[Ed Gilbert]] and [[Regis Cordic]], again respectively). Reflecting the fact that they're combiners, their voices are modulated to sound like they're a chorus of multiple voices - an effect that would be dropped after this episode.
*The shooting scripts for both installments of this two-parter contain several "deleted scenes" which expand greatly upon some of the more significant events in the story. In this episode:
**Omega Supreme repairs himself after his battle with Shockwave (deleted from Part 1, although this episode contains a vestigial reference to it, when Ironhide says remarks: "Now all we've gotta do is hope that Shockwave didn't get the better of Omega Supreme!"), but is only able to do a rudimentary job, noting that his personal survival is "highly improbable." It is ''this'' which causes Omega to explode upon his return to Earth—he willingly puts himself in danger to bring the Autobots back so they can stop the Stunticons.
**Later in the episode, when the Aerialbots watch as Sparkplug works to repair Omega, Sparkplug turns on the young punks, explaining what caused Omega to explode, making them realize what he did for them, and what they owe the Autobots. This is very much in contrast to the complete non sequitur of the finished episode, in which the fact that Sparkplug can continue working when Ratchet can't, and then Silverbolt makes the Aerialbots somehow realize that they owe the Autobots their lives.
**Additionally, there are some extended scenes of Prime reaffirming that there are six Aerialbots, to squash the subtlety of the hint at Superion, and the Aerialbots watching more television.
* This is one of the very few episodes where Megatron insults Soundwave. Even then, Soundwave tripping on a branch ultimately leads to what Megatron believes to be a phenomenal discovery.

===Foreign localization===

'''Italian'''
:*''Title (dub 1):'' "'''La nascita degli Aerialbots'''" ("The Birth of the Aerialbots")
:*''Title (dub 2):'' "'''La chiave di Vector Sigma - II'''" ("The Key of Vector Sigma - II")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

'''Japanese'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Vector Sigma no Kagi PART II'''" (ベクターシグマの鍵 PART II, "The Key of Vector Sigma PART II")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[May 9]], [[1986]]

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;VHS
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1986 — ''The Transformers'' — The Key to Vector Sigma & War Dawn ([[Video Gems|A.M.T. Video Gems]]) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1988 — ''The Transformers'' — The Key to Vector Sigma & War Dawn ([[Video Gems|V.I.P. Video Gems]]) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1991 — ''The Transformers'' — The Key to Vector Sigma ([[Video Gems|Little Gems Video Club]]) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2000 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Volume 4: The Key to Vector Sigma ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]])
;Laserdisc
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1995 — ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' — Megatron Set ([[TakaraTomy|Takara]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1999 — ''The Transformers'' — Decepticon Edition ([[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer LDC]]) — Japanese audio only.
;DVD
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2001 — ''The Transformers'' — DVD Box 2 (Pioneer LDC) — Japanese audio only. 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2003 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2 ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]]) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2003 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2: Vol. 7 (Rhino Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2 ([[Metrodome]]) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Collection 3: Series 2.2 ([[Madman Entertainment]]) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2006 — ''Transformers'' — The Complete Generation One Collection (Metrodome) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2007 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection (Madman Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of Italy.png|20px|Italy]] 2009 — ''Transformers'' — Volume 06: Stagione Due Parte Quarta ([[Medianetwork Communication]]) — English and Italian audio. 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2009 — ''Transformers'' — Season Two: Part Two (Metrodome) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection: Decepticon Edition (Madman Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Series: 25th Anniversary "Matrix of Leadership" Collection ([[Shout! Factory]]) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Season Two, Volume Two: 25th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory)

==External links==
* [http://cybertronchronicle.freewebspace.com/cartoon-dossier/synopses/the_key_to_vector_sigma_part_2.html Dossier at the Cybertron Chronicle]

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=="Call 1-800-doctorb. The B is for Bargain!"==
''Voice actor:'' [[Maurice LaMarche]]

There wasn't a "." in "DrSpengler" so it wouldn't technically qualify as a proper "Dr." abbreviation. Just me keeping myname the way it's been for 7 years. ;(

But it's okay.

This isn't gonna change the name I use to log in, is it? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 00:58, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm doesn't look like it will. Alright, no big deal. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 01:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

He he he... I'm making mischief! (You can move it back if you like.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

==Monzo's thingy==
I realize these Japanese entries are basically stubs at this point, Speng, but you may want to copy the base code out of a pre-existing profile and use that... like, the first instance of a name in a profile is always bolded, the divisions for Fiction and Toy, etc. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 05:32, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

==Um==
Image:Scrash.jpg - ...what? --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:19, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Christ, I didn't think anybody was EVER gonna notice that. Oh, and that's an advertisement at a pizza joint here in Springfield that's been boggling the minds of pizza-lovers since the late 80's. I'm sure if the guys at TV Magazine ever got around to drawing Scrash they would've made him a little black girl. Almost positive, in fact.--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 05:25, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

==Images==
Hey, Spengler, I wouldn't give a shit if I couldn't see Derik freaking out over it in Recent changes, but be sure to add <nowiki>{{hastak}}</nowiki> to all of the images owned by Takara and Hasbro you upload and the specific company and date (the last part I'm not so sure about, but whatever), like on [[:Image:PredakingTVMag1.jpg]]. Thanks. Thumbs up to your manga edits. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 06:32, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

:It doesnt' actually bother me that much. I was bad at it when I first started too. (the wiki still has a bunch of un-credited images from it's early days before we cracked down on adding copyright info, we fix 'em as we see 'em)

:Spengler just had a LOT, so I fixed what I could find. I think I hit about 80% of 'em, and I'm willing to call it a day.

:Go forth and sin no more my son. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:37, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Not a problem. I was used to uploading pics in the regular Wikipedia, which had a drop-down bar on the uploading screen which allowed you to select specific copyright options. So when I found no such thing on this wiki I figured "Oh, guess it doesn't matter?" But yeah, not a problem. I'll start adjusting all my pics from now on. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 06:55, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

: Thank you! o^.^o -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:03, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, just went through my entire "User Contributions" list and added the copyright info to every single picture I've posted on this wiki, so we should be square. Thanks for getting so many of em for me.--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 07:16, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

==Notes==
:Ah, Speng? You don't have to add a series title after a profile's name if the name has never been used by another character. That's why people move some of the pages you make, like Predaking, Tigerhawk, etc - there aren't any other guys with those names, so the tagging is redundant.

:Also, the point of the italics at the opening section... it's supposed to be a one-sentence thing about what continuity they're in (like "so-and-so is a (faction) during the (whatever)"). The descrptive part after that (where the name gets bolded) is not italicized.

:When all else fails, default to [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Sunstreaker Sunstreaker] or [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Hot_Rod Hot Rod] for formatting - they're our formatting example boys.

:(And, er... this is just a personal point of view, but we don't require ''everything'' to be jokey/sarcastic. Feel free to be informative without mirth.)

:I apologize if I'm being blunt about this, but I felt the points worth mentioning. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 22:48, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

*No prob. It's taking me longer to get the hang of this than I tought. The (BWG1OCUC) crap is half me not thinking about it/half me thinking there was someone in another story with the same name. I'll hold back on those more often.

And the jokes, well, I'm just naturally a jokey kinda guy and one of the things Sipher stressed to me in the PM he sent requesting my help was "Just make em funny". If I've gone past the territoy of "funny" and into "obnoxious" I'll give it a rest, no sweat. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:52, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm faintly apalled that someoen other than me recognized lyrics to a rap song that onyl appeared ont he B-side of a movie soundtrack from the late 80's. -20:56, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

*I'm one of the four people on the planet who actually owned a copy of the Ghostbusters II soundtrack. You are in an exclusive club, Mister! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 21:05, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

:Then I'm probably the only person to reques this song on the radio, only to learn at a tender age that they only play singles. (This is probably a precursor to my only listenign to alternative radio that plays b-side tracks today, actually.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:55, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

==Seiyu==
I'm happy someone else is interested in seiyu. Most of the Transformers actors were listed individually in the [http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/4813010946/ Transformers: Generations] book. Some of the Laserdiscs and DVD sets also had cast info. Although sometimes some info condradicts other sources. The [http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/4861760364/ First Series Complete] lists many of The Rebirth dub actors (which I haven't been putting in here for the most part, so not to confuse people). The [http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/4902314282/ Micron Legend Year Book] lists virtually ''every'' character and voice from the series.

As for dubs of American movies, you might try [http://www.tora-2.com/index.html tora-2.com]. I got a few hits for the [http://www.google.co.jp/search?q=%83S%81%5B%83X%83g%83o%83X%83%5E%81%5B%83Y&hl=ja&btnG=Google+%8C%9F%8D%F5&domains=tora-2.com&sitesearch=tora-2.com DVD version of Ghostbusters] there.

If you want, I could try posting my giant (Japanese language) seiyu list on one of our talk pages or something. [[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 03:34, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

:...Speng is going voice actors? Sweet. 'cuz I dont' think I'll ever get back to [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_thread/thread/598c878dfd2f833c/9d29f063307b01fa?lnk=st&q=&rnum=2#9d29f063307b01fa this].

:(The link at the bottom also contaisn goodness) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:29, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh hey, you read Japanese, dont' you Speng? Which way am I supposed to read Doug's list relative to [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_thread/thread/598c878dfd2f833c/9d29f063307b01fa?lnk=st&q=&rnum=2#9d29f063307b01fa these pages?]
The way I'm doing it now makes Rhinox a pretty girl, and that doesn't seem right somehow. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

==Matrices==
Hey, Speng? Did you see [[Talk:Matrix_of_Leadership#Fire_Convoy|this discussion]] we had on Japanese Matrices? Given that both Lio Convoy and Fire Convoy specifically had an "Energon Matrix", I'm wondering if that's what Primal and Big Convoy were also supposed to have... I don't have any good Neo-specific books, though, and Big Convoy's instructions only call his device a "Matrix" (with no qualifiers). I DO have a book that's basically Cine-Manga of the BW2nd movie... maybe that would specify what Primal's is.

(Also, I continue to doubt the existence of the "Hyper Convoy" thing beyond it being something Star Upper once called himself.)

What do you think about all this? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 02:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Personally, the name "Leadership Matrix" never really sat well with me, as it was just sorta "made-up" as a means to differentiate it from the Matrix of Leadership. I wouldn't object to Leadership Matrix being changed to "Energon Matrix", since that's the name that's most commonly seen.

As for Hyper Convoy, that I really know little on, as I haven't had the pleasure of reading the Neo manga. I wrote the article-itself based on what I was told happened in the Neo manga. I honestly don't recall a single use of the term in any of the BW animation, though my memory of some of that show is a bit sketchy. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 02:39, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

==BWII Ships==
The Predacon ship in Beast Wars II has the incredibly unfortunate title of "Galvaburg II" - as in Hindenburg, one assumes. Which really makes one wonder what happened to the "Galvaburg I", and why Galvatron would decide to use that name ''again''.

The Maximal ship is the "Yukikaze", which I think literally means "snow wind" - however, since the name is rendered in katakana and not kanji, it doesn't get translated for the article title (a la Majin Zarak not being Demon Zarak). --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 22:04, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

== Speakin' of translating Manga ==

I've got a BW2 roleplaying book that has a bunch of BW2 omake (and a short left-to-right manga) in it. woulds you be interested in translating? (I've become more interested in documenting the omake since learning that FMA integrated a bunch of the manga's omake in the anime-- they may be AU-- but they're still cannon.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

:...a ...roleplaying... book? Like a sourcebook for a system or like a gamebook or what? I'm totally interested in this, as a retired RPG fag. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 03:45, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

If the kanji has furigana, and it's big-enough for me to see, then sure, I can give it a go. You can e-mail me the scans (or put em on photobucket, whichever). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 04:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

:If this is what I think it is, it's not a role-playing book in the sense of being an RPG stats book, but rather the book about ''how to play with your toys'' that I bought at BotCon. Like, "LioConvoy is captured under the desk! Pick a Cybertron with high stats to defeat Starscream and BB (assuming you own them)!" --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 23:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

*Good gravy... --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
::Japanese kids aren't expected to be very creative, I guess. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 23:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

....Wow. I kind of want a copy of it EVEN MORE now. That sounds in-fucking SANE. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 02:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

==Nemesis==
Hey, Speng. Just watched a boatload of BW2nd clips on youtube, and I noticed that... Galvatron's Nemesis appears to devour both Jupiter and Saturn. Sucked 'em up like a vaccuum cleaner. I don't have any context for when these events happened, but they definitely seem worthy of adding to the Nemesis's fiction section. Do you know where the info would go? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 13:42, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

*I believe it happened at the point where the Nemesis was looming menacingly over everyone's heads, figuratively, as Galvatron had summoned it to Gaia. It took, like, a thousand episodes to freaking GET THERE. But yeah, that IS significant. heck, there's even a screencap of the thing sucking Saturn at the [[Nemesis (BWII)]] article. I'll add it into the summary. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 16:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

==PD Type and G2 Manga Brat==

Hey speng, what were [http://www.tfarchive.com/comics/japanese/superdeformed.php?dgallery_show=deformed/SDComicTrans01.jpg these] packed in with? Theyr'e (c) 1990, which is why I asks. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:35, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

*Looking at my copy of Generations it would appear to be "gum pack toys". Tiny super deformed toys bearing the likeness of the PD Type comic characters came in tiny packs with gum, the manga and a character bio "interview". I did a quick article on it here: [[Transformers PD Type]]. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 05:02, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

And here's an archive of the comics online (untranslated, of course): [http://www.ne.jp/asahi/transformer/dinobase/etc/pdtf/pdtf_index.htm Kabay]. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 05:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

:You are cool, and punctual.
:What's [http://www.emopanda.com/JP.rar this kid's] name? I want to give him a page. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:59, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

*Looks like his name is "Junpei". No last name that I could find. "The Earth is in Danger" is actually next on my list to translate. Now that I've scanned over it more thoroughly looking for that punk's name, maybe I'll get to work on it this week... --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 05:44, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

==I'ma Questionin' Yer Thinkin'==
What's your source for the trivia over on [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]]' Japanese name? I know it's from somewhere given that you put it in, I just want to know where.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 04:26, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

:If Nevermore said it, I'd take his word for it considering how meticulously he researches... everything. So the article's probably fine.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 04:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

::Doug Dlin also has said so as well. There is also a Kinnikuman/Ultimate Muscle UFO character called '''The Adams''' (Ski Adams in the U.S.) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinnikuman_Nisei_characters].

==Capitalisation Question==
Hey man, thanks for the punctuation clean-up on my new [[Scale]] article; much appreciated. Just one question though, is it actually a rule that one has to decap all the Unicron "He"s and "Him"s? It is the appropriate usage for a god, after all... Let me know, ta, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

*Hmm I think you might have me confused with someone else. I don't recall doing that. Sorry. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 00:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

== Translatin' request ==

[[Talk:Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Neo (manga)|here]] -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:36, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Insert formula here

==Primitives?==

Do we need to tag all of those characters as such? It's pretty continuity-specific, which bugs me though maybe also applies to some existing tags. But it also is a really arbitrary descriptor. The "Primitives" in COTP were basically just the TFs with animal altmodes, and as such this category would include only those Transformers who existed at the time AND were included in the episode. This makes for quite a few characters who SHOULD fit in the category but arbitrarily won't, and even more so makes for a category that... basically means nothing.

Are we also going to make "Cars", "Trucks", "Helicoptors", and "Tanks" categories? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 05:01, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:The difference here is that "Primitives" is a specifically-named group. Also, I believe all the Transformers Spengler put in the category actually do belong there, unlike the person who originally made the page and threw in characters from UT and BW. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 05:35, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

What he said. "Primitives" doesn't apply to every animal Transformer, but just the ones that were summoned by the Oracle in "COTP". --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 11:59, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

:Well, like I said, then, that's a category that only applies to one very specific storyline in one particular continuity. Do we need a category like that? Is there a precedent; some other category that's similar that's been done already? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 13:32, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

:As I said on Category talk:Primitives the first time around, I think making a category for the primitives is unnecessary. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:36, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

== Title Translations Por Favor ==
<nowiki>
[[Beast Wars 2 Guidebook]],
[[Beast Wars Neo Guidebook]],
[[Beast Wars Special Super Lifeform Transformers Guidebook]],
[[Masterforce Guidebook]]</nowiki>

I'd like a more 'proper' title on these guys if you could (especially sicne I own another MAsterforce guidebook) feel free to move the page if you can come up with one. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:04, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

==About the Metros images==

I dunno your level of Photoshoppery, but would it be possible for you to cut the "main" images of the guys from their backgrounds onto solid white? I would, but I'm in the middle of another art project and really shouldn't even be letting myself get as distracted with wikiwork as I am now. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:08, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

:I'm not particularly good, but I'll try my hand at one of em. Hopefully I won't make it look any worse. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:11, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

:Well, I did [[Metrotank]], but ugh, I'm not very good at this. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:18, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

== source for Japanese G2 instruction manga images ==

Where did you get the images of the manga printed on the G2 instructions? If you still have the unedited ones as well as the actual instructions I'd like to host them on my site.

Also, do you know how to get in contact with Rik Ruff? he's the only one I know who ever had Car Robots instruction scans. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 20:51, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

== Foreign titles ==

Per your post on my talk page, I have ceased my deletions. I thought I was following the example set on the Revenge of the Fallen talk page. There Walky, had stated that foreign titles shouldn't be listed if they were simply a direct translation. I thought that was the consensus and was simply trying to catch examples that had fallen through the cracks. Apparently I was wrong, and I apologize for acting prematurely. Perhaps it is time to examine this policy. I will, of course, follow any decision made. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:30, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:That's fine. We've been discussing it in a thread over at the Allspark forums and a few good points have been brought up. For instance, if we remove all the Japanese titles that translate to being the same as the English one, but leave the Japanese titles for episodes where they translate differently, we'll end up looking like we have an incomplete record of foreign episode titles, rather than just omitting ones that aren't different enough. We could try and adjust things, like moving foreign titles down from the top of each article and into their own section, or perhaps something else. It's a decision that's not quite so cut and dry, certainly. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 15:24, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::If I may be pardoned for butting in, I'd say a good rule of thumb for this English-centric wiki would be that foreign-language titles should always included for completeness when the original title isn't in English, as this technically makes the English translation the foreign title. When the original language for the title is English, foreign titles can be omitted if they are essentially straight translations.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:19, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::But what Speng was saying-- that means you don't know if the title was omitted because it's never been translated, or simply because it's the same. Simple absence makes it impossible to know if this represents "work to be done" or "work already done." -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:22, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::What about adding a list of languages that the episode has appeared in with the different titles noted there? For example if an episode had appeared in French, Russian, and Japanese the sentence might read "Translated into French, Russian (Title Unknown), and Japanese (Different Title). A footnote would indicate that the French title was a direct, literal translation. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:34, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Personally, I just think it's "neat" info to have on the wiki. Even if "Krieg der Dinobots" directly translates into "War of the Dinobots", I like the idea of having the foreign spelling available for reference just for the sake of having such information. It's even nicer in Japanese, since we get to have the Japanese characters present for reference. I wouldn't mind compromising with an "International titles/names" section down with the notes, if having the redundant titles up at the top of the page bugs people. I just don't like the idea of losing information, even if its trivial. I don't want to lose "Krieg der Dinobots" even if it means "War of the Dinobots". So far as Germany is concerned, the title is "Krieg der Dinobots", not "War of the Dinobots". I can't think of any other place that would keep such a comprehensive list of foreign spellings of names and titles, and it gives us one more thing to flaunt. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 17:37, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::I don't see how it even IS information. If the title in a foreign language is simply a direct translation, then effectively it is the SAME title. The spelling in that other language is irrelevant, and (to me) uninteresting. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:30, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::It would BE info for those that are interested in the linguistics of things. I'm with Spengs on keeping the info, not just for posterity's sake, but for completion of the Wiki. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 23:57, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

==Thank you==
You, sir, are a [[Primus|God]] among men for translating the [[Asterisk Story|Binaltech Asterisk]] stuff for [[Blaster (G1)|Broadblast]] and updating his article. I've been trying to get that stuff translated for two years. I'd like to award you 5 [[Robot Point]]s in recognition of your achievements.
[[User:G1MarvelBlaster|G1MarvelBlaster]] 14:47, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
:Just figured I oughta get that info documented before it disappears from the internet and we lose it forever ala Rise of the Chevy Autobots text stories. But glad you enjoyed em! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:19, 22 October 2009 (EDT)

==Beast Wars II and Neo logos==
Think either you or the others could dig up clean logos of both series so we can put them into their navigation templates? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 02:44, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

:Depends on how big you want em, I suppose. There's a BWII one [http://tfarchive.com/cartoons/info/profiles_beast_wars_2.gif Here] and a BWNeo one [http://tfarchive.com/cartoons/info/profiles_beast_wars_neo.gif Here] (and a BWReturns one [http://tfarchive.com/cartoons/info/profiles_beast_wars_returns.gif Here]), but they're only 120x65, which is kinda small. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 11:33, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

::Ay... Any scans of magazine articles or books with their logos? Heck, even the VHS covers. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 17:12, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Well, I suppose you could always use the intro screencaps from Bigbot, but you'd have to chop the watermark off the bottom ([http://bigbot.com/beast_wars_2/pictures/cartoon_tv_show/Transformers_BeastWars_2.jpg BWII], [http://www.bigbot.com/beast_wars_neo/bwneo.jpg BWNeo]). Given their quality, you might be better off just making your own screencap from a You Tube video, though. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 17:34, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

==Kanji?==
Hey, Speng. Do you have the original Japanese name for [[Energy Planet X]]? Just for completeness. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:29, 9 November 2009 (EST)
:Here ya go: エネルギー惑星X (enerugii wakusei X). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 11:31, 9 November 2009 (EST)
::Thanks. I wasn't sure if they were using English words or Kanji. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:37, 9 November 2009 (EST)

==BWR dates==
Have we got a broadcast schedule for the Beast Wars Returns episodes? Any of them? The DVD release? If you don't feel like dealing with the calendar, I'll do it, just throw me the info. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:31, 18 December 2009 (EST)
:Jim just hit me up with the same question a few minutes ago. I checked Japanese Wikipedia and another Japanese Beast Wars info site, [http://www.ne.jp/asahi/transformer/dinobase/e_index.htm DinoBASE], and they both only gave me the month and year the series began airing on TAKARAND and Cartoon Network Japan, but no proper airdate listings. It's possible that the Japanese DVDs may include the information in liner notes or what have you, but you'll have to hook up with someone who owns them (Buster Darkwings at the Allspark does, I believe). But I dunno if those DVDs actually ''have'' that info. Sorry. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 16:37, 18 December 2009 (EST)
::If you sift through the lists there are some dates given for each episode [http://anime_list.at.infoseek.co.jp/list/2004/11.html here] (just progress the month/year to get to the rest), but I'm not sure how accurate they are. --[[User:Jon T|Jon T]] 08:38, 19 December 2009 (EST)
:::Many thanks. I went through each month, matched the titles with the ones here to make sure the Japanese episode order was the same as the Western one and posted all the airdates on Sipher's talk page. The month listings matched up with when I know the show premiered in Japan and the airdates were consistent with each other, so the site's listings look legit to me. Thanks again! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 09:20, 19 December 2009 (EST)

== Zone catalogues ==

A question for you, my good man. [http://tfarchive.com/comics/gallery.php?g2_itemId=14997 This page here] has something about Deathsaurus on it. I wonder, could you give it a bit of an ol' translate to confirm a suspicion I have - that ''this'' might have been the source of the comment in the [[Generation_1_cartoon_timeline_(Japan)|Kiss Players timeline]] that Deathy came back to life after ''Victory''. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:27, 1 February 2010 (EST)

:Sure thing. It might have to wait until I get home from work so I can use a program to zoom in on the itty bitty text, though. I vaguely recall that it was just a recap of Victory, leading into Zone, but now I'm not entirely certain. I'll let you know tonight. '''--Spengs (at work, can't log in)'''

Alright. Holy crap. This is it, McFeely! I totally glossed over the page as nothing but a recap of Victory when it was a completely original story AND the one mentioned in the Kiss Player timeline (how freakin obscure can you get?). While the word "resurrected" isn't used, Deathsaurus is indeed referred to as the "Dark Emperor" ("Ankokutaitei"). And while Energon Z is not mentioned specifically, Deathsaurus DOES lead an attack on the Micro Zone which, presumably, contained Energon Z as it did in the Zone OVA.

Here are my complete translations of the page:

1. "Darkness Emperor Deathsaurus lead his underlings in an offensive against the Micro Zone." 

2. "Terrible! Emergency dispatch! Go, Micro Transformer Team!" 

3. "At this rate, the Micro Zone will be destroyed!" 

4. "Micro Transformers and Destrons have an incredible battle. But the Micro Transformers put forth a tremendous effort and the Destrons are driven away." 

5. "The Micro Transformer Team earns a tremendous victory. After this, the combined power of everyone in the Micro Zone continue to defend! You can do it!" 

:Oh-ho yes! The team of McFeely and Spengler is unstoppable! *dramatic pose* - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:36, 2 February 2010 (EST)

== Fast Action Beast Wars! ==

Time for another McFeely-Spengler double-headed crazy Japanese mystery solver! [http://snakas.web.fc2.com/07movie/fab_optimus.html Here's an article about Fast Action Battlers Prime] at Autobase Aichi, which includes information about what the heck ''Beast Wars'' has to do with all of this. The section of text which follows the large collection of images of Prime seems to explain what the deal was (something to do with the BW Telemocha series, I think), and then there's a section further down about the back of the package that seems to say a little more about it. We can crack this! And by "we", I do mean "you". :) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:54, 25 February 2010 (EST)
:Well, it's the next best thing to having the action Japanese packaging to investigate. But to be fair, who the Hell would want to import some FABs from Japan just to get the box? There's a lotta text there, so this may take me a bit, but I'll endeavor to see if there's anything good in there. The section "日本での展開" (Development in Japan) seems to have all the Beast Wars info in it. Let's see if there's anything good...--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:22, 25 February 2010 (EST)
::Didn't take me as long as I thought, though you might be disappointed in hearing that there isn't really any "fiction" to go with this, at least not of any real substance.
Apparently, beginning with the Telemocha release of TM-11 Tigatron, they decided to cross-promote the Beast Wars Telemocha series with the FAB series, in print ads and on toy packaging. It sounds like this was done to give the toys some additional play value and to encourage kids, hungry for the Movie toys, to pick up those weird animal Transformers from ten years ago that they'd never heard of. The "fiction" was just a single packaging blurb, reproduced (or perhaps summarized) in the last sentence of that paragraph. It reads: "The story is that on the stage of the Beast Wars (Planet Energoa), a mysterious army of vehicles (Movie characters) have crossed from beyond space-time and attacked, beginning a battle between animals and vehicles."
So yeah, no "text stories" or anything like that. Just a packaging blurb to get kids who were crazy for the Movie to look into some repaints of ten year-old toys. We can probably take that bit off the front page's "wishlist", now. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:42, 25 February 2010 (EST)
:::Curious. So do you render 競演 as "cross-promotion", then?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 18:48, 25 February 2010 (EST)
::::Wha? "Kyouen"? The part about the contest? No...that's not the part I was talking about, so much. The article says that the two series shared various advertising in catalogs and such, and a magazine contest, but I didn't see anything describing lengthy text stories which is what we're looking for. The storyline as the article describes it is the same as it was described in the KP Timeline and nothing new. "Cross promotion" was my word for it, not a translation, but isn't that what this is? Telemocha and the FAB lines promoting one another by crossing over? If there's anything about deeper fiction in there that I missed, by all means, let me know since you're more fluent than I am. But I don't think I misinterpreted it that badly...? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:59, 25 February 2010 (EST)

It might be lame, but it's another win for the Spengler-McFeely team. :D - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:07, 25 February 2010 (EST)

:::::I wasn't asking if there was any lengthy text; I visited the page myself and figured out much the same thing you did. The only term used that puzzled me was 競演, which my dictionary sources render as "recital contest". This doesn't make any sense to me, and I couldn't find any alternate interpretations right off before you posted your response. Your use of "cross-promote" seemed to match the same point in context where the original uses 競演, though it seems I misinterpreted you on that point. (If anyone here has the DVD that came with TM-11 Tigatron, maybe they can describe the segment with the BW and FAB characters interacting (or post it to YouTube or something), since that's also supposed to be 競演, and we can get a better idea of what the term means in this context.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 19:09, 25 February 2010 (EST)
::::::''Ohhhhhh.'' I wasn't sure what you were getting at for some reason so I kinda got all worried that I might have catastrophically misinterpreted something. ''Phew''. I got that as "recital contest", too, but interpretted it as just being a part of a contest in a print magazine. The bit about the TM-11 Tigatron DVD seemed to just point toward the toys cohabiting a diorama in an advertisement, though if there's anything cool in there aside from toys standing around together, I would also like to see it. Storywise, though, I don't think there was anything more to the crossover aside from some pakaging and catalog background, though. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 19:13, 25 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::Sorry, guess I picked my words poorly.
:::::::''just being a part of a contest in a print magazine''
:::::::I considered that, but I couldn't resolve that interpretation with the fact that there's a diorama story of a recital contest (or whatever it is) included on that DVD.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 21:06, 25 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLIYvk76sNc This] is all I could find on YouTube. I'd check my TM-12 or TM-13 DVDs for anything more but they're in another town. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 09:55, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::As for "recital contest", [[Wikipedia:Discography_of_the_Devil_May_Cry_series#Devil May Cry 4 Original Soundtrack|Wikipedia]] translates it as "play opposite". Take that as you will. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:00, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::::I have every TM release except the Ultra 2-pack and TM-13 Motorarm, and am more than willing to post any recordings from them that you might need. Since it looks like you need TM-11 and 12, I'll go ahead and do those for now.--[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 14:21, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::Hey, that'd be great. I'm hoping that there's more to it than the video Interro posted, which was just two separate commercials for FABs and the Telemocha toys. I didn't notice any "diorama" to speak of, so I'm hoping there's more. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 14:25, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:::There is indeed more to it. There is a diorama, though I'm not sure I would describe it as a recital. Anyway here are the two videos: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiWA291oYn0 TM11] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzBCVv-bXIE TM12]
:::They're currently set to private non-YouTube user so you should be able to see it as long as you're one of the first 25 to click the link. Which there's no reason you shouldn't be. But if there is an issue with seeing the video, let me know. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:56, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::::Hmmm, I must not have been one of the first 25. I tried viewing it while logged in and logged out of my You Tube account, and both times it wouldn't let me see it. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:18, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:::::Whoops. My fault, I didn't have it set-up right. Needed to check the "Limited URL" check box and get the special link. Try [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=PiWA291oYn0&sharing_token=E-xWvrcpHagjzkYLdkqp5w] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=TzBCVv-bXIE&sharing_token=efwutVSJFsou9kOQSrDNMA] --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 18:43, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::::::Hmmm. I'm getting "invalid secret token", now. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 19:30, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::Ok, neglected to save the changes to the videos. I updated the links in my last edit and confirmed that they work. Sorry for the inconvience. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 19:39, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::And this is why the wiki community is awesome. It's all a learning experience! Seems like Motorarm's DVD would have covered the final FABs (Megatron and Brawl)... Hmm, I would say there's merit enough here to describe some of the content of these little staged fights in the respective characters' sections. "Tigatron once totally shot Starscream in the face, because God told him to." - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:05, 26 February 2010 (EST)
Okay, that's cooler than the other side of the pillow. Nice to see that there actually IS some meat to this crossover. Not much, more like a single slice of bologna, but the fact that its more than a sentence is comforting. I'll add some of the specifics to the individual characters' fiction sections, even if it just boils down to "Tigatron shot Starscream in the face before Optimus Primal and Optimus Prime double-teamed him". Thank you, Tigerpaw! This is the sort of obscure holy grail stuff the Wiki thrives on! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:12, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:Almost seems to me like they could be under a header of their own on the Movie character pages. "Toy bios" seems wrong, since it's... not in the bios. "Beast Wars Telemocha Series storyline" or "shorts" or something (and use that title for the BW character pages too). Because very little of this actually seems to ''involve'' the FAB toyline... it's just a blurb there, but there's actual shorts over in Telemocha... "Beast Wars Telemocha/Fast Action Battlers crossover"...? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:24, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::Hmmm, point taken. What should the storylink go to? The Japanese timeline as we have it now? The FAB article? The Telemocha article? Storylinks to BOTH the FAB and the Telemocha article? I am vexed. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:28, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:::As for section titles, each of these videos begins with the title "Diorama Story", so maybe we should go with "Beast Wars Telemocha/Fast Action Battlers Diorama Story"...? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:29, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::::Maybe we ought to just make an article about that and use that as the story link! That would probably merit investigating the precise content of the other DVDs to see if they have "Diorama Stories" on them, even if they don't have the movie characters in them. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:31, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:::::If nobody else does: I've got all of the DVDs (except for Tigatron and the Ultras). I just don't have access to them till next weekend. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:36, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::::::That's fine, I think I can contain myself until then. I don't own any of the DVDs, myself, so if someone who does could make a "skeleton article" for them, I can flesh them out with the diorama story portions (as they're made available to me). Not much meat to these things, so one article with fiction segments detailing each diorama battle should be appropriate. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:39, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::I can look into this tomorrow/later today. I can also get more of the videos uploaded, if there are more. Since Interrobang has all but Tigatron and I have all but Motorarm, we just need to find a source for the two pack. If all else fails, I do plan to pick it up eventually. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 00:58, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::Ditto. I can get the two now if anybody can point me in the direction of a store that sells both. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:19, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::By the way, Tigerpaw, it's not a two-pack. That's the ''[[Beast Wars Reborn]]'' one. That one has the remolded heads and their own CD. The ''Telemocha'' Ultras are sold separately, having more show-accurate colors but the molds' original heads. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:21, 27 February 2010 (EST)
Ah, thanks for correction Interrobang. I forgot those were separate. I've put up a rough skeleton which Mr. McFeely speedy deliveried to [[Transformers: Beast Wars Diorama Story|Beast Wars Diorama Story]]. I based the episode order on the disc/case numbers but I don't know if that's the correct way to do it. The numbering of the discs/cases doesn't follow that of the figures, the discs that come with the Ultras have two numbers on them, and numbers 16-19 are skipped entirely. I've put both the disc number and figure ID number in the titles for the YouTube videos: [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=YHZsjq-ulZk&sharing_token=b2YUF4Rj91ZFCGnfFrJ82g TM1], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=RM8M2PsqggI&sharing_token=cEdj4-2J1XKqrpEDDqFM2A TM2], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=IGxfvP-I6p0&sharing_token=_WOV62896tW0dpFFX898pg TM3], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=4aab9RqCHjU&sharing_token=VoZRUWo71wezjlgdNxPx8A TM4], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=sI0kBYAierw&sharing_token=FbPzwWEBbhEmrHDXcuuvYA TM5], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=CLekVHeuavo&sharing_token=9BW7U3JH1nXNXAjQV0EAMA TM6], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=Ge82snpIbLU&sharing_token=p_xvr-WxyyRy7B94kSBZIQ TM7], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=LDqrdggv7mQ&sharing_token=5O7dFKYo_lu09peLv7-3-g TM8], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=gPHuJW5BuAg&sharing_token=5_8JEkBYhmQNusJjfAwimA TM9], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=YMCIk-vYfaA&sharing_token=9Wsi6FzbF6FpGsHr2eZzlQ TM10]. The previous two have had their titles updated. The disc numbers for Ultra Convoy are 1 and 15, Ultra Megatron are 13 and 14 and Motorarm is 21. I've upped the video compression this go-round so I could upload the videos faster. If it's too much, I can upload better versions. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 21:27, 27 February 2010 (EST)
Come to think of it, I think figure ID might be the right way to do it, because you end up with 5 episodes in between the ones involving the FABs the other way. Going to go change that. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 21:38, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:Yeah, I was just casting my eye over it and was going to say the same thing. The little two-man fights showcased in each of these come in pairs reflected by the order of release as well. The numbers on the disc seem very random! Probably worth mentioning in a note.
:(this is awesome)
: - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:40, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::Alright, you guys rock! I'll get to work on gleaming the "story" from these things, though I fear it won't be more than "one time Gimlet joined the Predacons and became Tigatron's rival for five minutes and then everything went back to normal". But we love this shit, anyway. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 21:42, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:::Oh, hey, I just got it - the numbers on the discs are the numbers of the actual BW cartoon episodes that are on them (per the Japanese broadcast order, rather than the American one). That's why there are two numbers on the discs with the Ultra figures. Probably means there aren't two Diorama Stories on those ones. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 13:32, 28 February 2010 (EST)

Okay, I've filled out the [[Transformers: Beast Wars Diorama Story|Beast Wars Diorama Story]] article up through Gimlet's chapter. If you guys ever get the last three chapters, just post the video links here and I'll write them up. Thanks! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 14:18, 4 March 2010 (EST)
:Up high, my man. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 14:57, 4 March 2010 (EST)
::Excellent. Interrobang will probably have access to the last three sooner than I will. But I'm willing to help with getting them ripped and uploaded if needed. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 16:16, 4 March 2010 (EST)
===Interrobang uploads===
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t-WVHVQaQk Transformers: Beast Wars Diorama Story, Motorarm Hen]! 10th Anniversary Tarantulas makes a cameo. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:11, 4 March 2010 (EST)
:[http://www.youtube.com/user/Ittecap TM-SP DX Megatron]. It's just a "Character Data File" on "Megatron Energon Power Mode". The direct link is [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1B9M5N4wLY here], but you can only access it on my user account page at the moment. Scans of the catalog would be interesting, as they have power plans for Convoy and Megatron, plus some text snippets of the FAB thing, but I don't have a scanner on hand. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:34, 15 March 2010 (EDT)
::DX Convoy's up. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:05, 15 March 2010 (EDT)

== Untranslated PD types ==

So I see that [http://www.ne.jp/asahi/transformer/dinobase/etc/pdtf/pdtf_index.htm this site] has the few PD Type mangas we don't have translations for up in Japanese. Hint hint! ;) You probably knew this already, but I only just happened to click the link and find the site today. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:06, 9 March 2010 (EST)
:Heh. Yeah, they've actually been looming over my head for a while. They're really hard to translate because the scans are so poor the characters are hard to make out (and that's just for the strips; you can ''forget'' about the interviews and articles). For all the ones I've done, I had to zoom in with photoshop and basically stare at the blotch of ink until I could figure it out by context and with a kanji fastfinder for visual reference the furigana is pretty much illegible). More work for a one page strip than a ten page comic! I could try and get back on the horse, though. I came only 7 strips away from finishing... --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 16:17, 9 March 2010 (EST)

== Japanese Version sections ==

Could we locate these further down the page? Maybe before Trivia? Notes on the Western version should trump translations, IMO. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:03, 14 April 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah, probably a good idea. I bumped em all down to just above Trivia. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 00:08, 15 April 2010 (EDT)

== Hidehito Ueda ==

Do you want to tackle this Interview with Hidehito Ueda? [[Image:Hidehito Ueda.pdf]] He talks about some of the restrictions thrown at him that frustrated him. I've tried doing things like this before and got the entries "challenged" and the like, I thought you might have better luck. [[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 18:45, 28 April 2010 (EDT)

==vintage TFTM reviews==
If you have access to a college library (or the right public library) you could try a Lexis-Nexis search. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 12:39, 31 May 2010 (EDT)

:Well, I do go to NOVA, so I could ask about that next time I'm on campus. Mignash over at the AllSpark forums dug up a whole bunch for me that I can't go over right now, since I'm at work, but I'll take a look at as soon as I get home. Thanks! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 12:41, 31 May 2010 (EDT)

==Grand Scourge==
# [http://obscuretf.com/tfscans/GrandScourgeBio.jpg Grand Scourge bio], untranslated as far as I know. (I own both the comics, but am not 100% sure where I put them, which is why I never scanned 'em for lonegamer - I scanned the bio ages ago, though.)
# [[Grand Scourge|Uhh...]] what're you going to do about that? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:44, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
:(Wait, you do know there are two model kit comics, right?) --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:48, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
::No, I didn't know about *any* of that (or even the Grand Scourge article we already had). I was going off what scant info both Lonegamer and myself could find; didn't know you had all the stuff sitting around. I'll rework what I wrote, but if you could dig up those comics, that'd be even more helpful. Thanks! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 12:52, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
:::I'll see what I can do. Though, I will note - regarding your latest edit summary - that it's not a case of "we know he's a separate character from Nemesis Prime" so much as "there is a complete absence of information on the subject," so we separated them at the time for lack of anything better.

:::I'm half-sure that FantoFan translated the two minicomics way back when, but I don't believe the bio ever was ever done. IIRC, both Prime and Scourge got bios, but I don't think I scanned Prime's out of the assumption it would just be, well, a bio of Optimus Prime. But maybe it'll contain something interesting, so I'll scan it when I do everything else. -- [[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 13:11, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
::::The bio sure isn't worth much:
::::''Destron Dark Commander: Grand Scourge
::::''A mysterious warrior who attacks the Cybertron forces out of nowhere. Though his form is identical to Grand Convoy's he is ruthless and will do whatever it takes to win. His mighty Drill Arm punctures even extremely heavy armor. Just what is the truth behind Scourge!?''
::::In short: He's strong, ruthless, evil and looks just like Prime/Convoy. No one knows where he came from or who he really is. Nothing we couldn't tell from the package illo.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 18:07, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
::::Monzo is correct-- [http://www.fantofan.jp/fan/comic/fansub/modelkit-gc/model%20kit%20main.htm the comics were translated,] and unhelpful.
:::: Frankly as his ''only'' fiction, I want to say that Scourge's unfamiliarity w/ the group "and you must be the Autobots..." is a circumstantial indicator he is not the original Nemesis Convoy. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:46, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::Thanks for the link, Derik! It was lousy having to write up the summary based on the first page of Part 1, info gleamed from Japanese wiki and whatever was on the Ground Scourge article. I filled the article out completely now. Thanks! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 14:44, 19 September 2010 (EDT)

==Yoketron==
''After donning a set of power-boosting armor, Prowl soon discovered that his newfound powers came at the expense of the land the living things around him (when he inadvertantly destroyed an entire city park).''
:Er... huh? Is there a word missing there? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 21:24, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
::Yeah, I was typing up the character article summaries at work, trying to multitask and not doing it very well, apparently. Lemme fix that... --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:48, 11 September 2010 (EDT)

== Mystery of Convoy manga ==
I have a possible lead on a copy of the magazine this manga was in. Googling the kanji for Comic Bom Bom along with the number 1986 netted me a number of results where people were selling issues of Comic Bom Bom. Including [http://www.mandarake.co.jp/information/buy/zasshi/kodan.html this] one where it talks about a "Family Computer Winter 1986 Special". Since Famicom is short for Family Computer and our page on the game says the manga came out in a December 1986 issue, I'm guessing this might be the one. I'm not sure if the page is up to date, but I thought it worth throwing your way to see if you can follow up on it. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 23:07, 18 September 2010 (EDT)
:Yep, that's definately the issue. I have no idea how to order from that site, though (I've never ordered anything from any Japanese auction or mail order sites). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 00:01, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
::I know we have some people living in Japan. So maybe they could help? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 00:37, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
:::This is what I was thinking. I must've gotten you mixed up with Buster Darkwings, Spengs. Because I had it in my head that you live in Japan. Anyway, he or Hydra may be able to help. I'm willing to throw in some cash to help purchase the book if need be. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 22:32, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
Had to go rooting through a box to confirm my memories, but there are some small scans of six of its pages shrunk down to fit on one page of [[Transformers Visualworks]]. No dialogue and obviously not complete, but there are captions that you might be able to glean something from, maybe enough to knock together a basic article. Someone else is using my scanner right now, but I'll get you the page when it's free. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 09:01, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
:That'd be great! It'll certainly suffice until someone decides to be charitable, buys the book and sends me complete scans. So, basically, the Visualworks thumbnails are likely the best we'll ever get. Thanks! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 10:50, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
::[http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/4093/mysteryofconvoymanga.jpg Here ya go]. It's good and big! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:51, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
:::JAWESOME. I'm gonna need my kanji fastfinder to read a lotta dat, so it'll have to wait until I'm home from work. Looking at it, though, I have a feeling that's the ENTIRE manga. Just a how-to that goes through the boss battles of each stage, giving protips. A shame the dialogue's not there, but anything's better than nothing! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 14:57, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
::::Man, that'd be awesome if it was. I thought it was only a sampling because I assumed those the header numbers denoted pages 1, 2, 4, 5, 7 and 9, but actually bothering to translate the katakana, I see they're for the STAGES, so if the manga didn't do every stage... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:13, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::Hm, crud, it DID skip stages, now that I'm looking at it. Well, I'll give the text a deciphering and see if it says anything about the thumbnails being complete or not. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 15:16, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::Mmn, but those shown ''are'' the only identifiable bosses from the game, 3, 6 and 8 being that giant Decepticon logo, and these pages are quite specifically ''just'' about the bosses. Trypticon is left out, mind you, but that could be a spoiler thing... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:27, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
:Good point. Betcha TX may know something about this, as I recall he's the one who first brought up its existence. I'll give him a ring on his talk page. For better or worse, I WILL get those last two red links off the Manga article! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 16:02, 19 September 2010 (EDT)

== Japanese DVD questions ==
I saw you provided cover scans to TFArchive for some of the Japanese G1 DVD box sets, so I'm hoping you might be able to confirm whether any of the Japanese G1 or BW sets you own contain BW commercials as extras? I'm asking because Brian Ward is looking for commercials and such in the [http://www.shoutfactory.com/community/3306/thread.aspx Beast Wars thread over at the Shout! Factory forum] and I know one of the box sets did have some early US ads. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:12, 9 February 2011 (EST)
:I own the G1 DVD sets, but I'm afraid they don't have any Beast Wars commercials on them. They have a plethora of G1 and even Diaclone commercials, though, but I don't think that's of any use to Shout Factory is they're working on Beast Wars sets... --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:11, 9 February 2011 (EST)
::Thank you very much for confirming Spengs. I knew it didn't make much sense for them to be on the G1 sets but I thought they might originally have been on the Headmasters Laserdisc set and thus that might have followed through to DVD. I'm guessing you'd probably have added the info by now if so, but are any of the G1 ads on those DVDs not covered on the Wiki? --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 18:43, 9 February 2011 (EST)
:::It's been a while since I watched them. All the ones with animation have been covered on the wiki, I know that for sure. Obviously, we haven't covered any of the Diaclone ones (which oddly are a mishmash of commercials featuring Transformer moulds and commercials featuring Diaclone toys that never made it to Transformers, including one very elaborate one with live action actors). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:52, 9 February 2011 (EST)

==Reproganmar & Megsy's friend==
A number of pages mention that [[Megatron's dead friend]] is an ambassador and that his death caused Megatron to restart the war. However, I can't find confirmation of this among the material on TFArchive. Are those two "facts" an interpretation of the one image itself or do they get more substance from another source? 
Also, since you translated "Great Decisive Battle of Planet Beast!", could you confirm the kana of [[Reproganmar]]'s name? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 05:55, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
:The translation on the TFArchive pages are all I know for that material. I think, ''think'', the "ambassador" and "friend" things didn't come from the text-itself, but from the ooooooold TFCyberbon site where the image was originally hosted, in one of Hydra's "reviews" of the page. He said something like "You can really feel for Megatron as he cradles his dead friend in his arms". Something like that and people may have gotten that "review" confused with an actual "translation".
::And "Reproganmar" thing reads in Japanese, "吸熱植物リプロガンマー" (kyuunetsu shokubutsu ripuroganmaa). I originally translated that first part as "Fever Vegetation" but in retrospect that's an incomplete translation. "Heat-sucking Vegetation" would be better (吸 is "to suck/inhale" while 熱 is both "fever" and "temperature"). "Reproganmar", no matter how I tried to rationalize it, just came out as gibberish to me, but if you can see something lingual in there then go for it. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 12:35, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
:::I'm willing to believe from the image that Megatron liked the guy, it's his supposed job and influence on the story I question. So there's nothing at all linking the image to the actual story? That is one note I'm going to hate writing. Much thanks for the help and extra translation (and no, I can't make a word or name out of it either. Looks like "Reprogammer" to me, but that's still gibberish). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 13:41, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

==On scrum-age in Japan==
Apparently it's not just a Masumi Kaneda thing.

[http://obscuretf.com/ScrumLyrics01.jpg http://obscuretf.com/ScrumLyrics01.jpg]

[http://obscuretf.com/ScrumLyrics02.jpg http://obscuretf.com/ScrumLyrics02.jpg]

From the Super Sentai Spirits 2004 concert, the theme songs for "Battle Fever J" and "Goggle V", respectively. (I guess maybe it's not meant to be translated literally? Or maybe the subtitler just wanted the lyrics to flow better...) --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 19:24, 18 May 2011 (EDT)
:That makes sense, thinking about it; "scrum" being used to mean "coming together" rather than a literal rugby scrum. Kinda like how the Japanese use of "pinch" is often translated as "crisis" or "trouble" rather than the literal word. Still, when it comes to things like "scrum-buster", I can't really think of a way to render the intent without making it sound really clunky. And besides, most of the arguments about the use of "scrum" I've gotten on the talk pages here have been people insisting it's supposed to be "scram", short for "scramble power", which just isn't the case. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:38, 18 May 2011 (EDT)

== Out of curiosity... ==

Do you have the scans for the ''Masterforce'' manga laying around? I'm on a ''Masterforce'' kick now and I'd like to review over the manga to potentially complete any pages I've created. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 04:31, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
:No scans, sorry. I own a copy of Transformers: The Comics that has all the vintage TV Magazine manga in it. I only ever scanned for TFArchive the issues that I fully translated. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 10:08, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
::Ah. Thank you for answering, anyway. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:16, 19 June 2011 (EDT)

== Galvatron's "see main article" link ==

Don't we normally have a quick summary write-up of the linked continuity there, in addition to the link? Look on Optimus Prime's page for an example. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:42, 11 September 2011 (EDT)

Keyword being "quick", the edit I undid was huge. Not saying there shouldn't be a short paragraph there, but what that anon wrote wasn't it. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:05, 11 September 2011 (EDT)

== Thanks ==
Hi there. Thank you for your work for [[Brian Cummings]]. Would you find a Picture of [[Dave Fennoy]]? {{unsigned|Mr.Fennoy75}}

== Nathan Fillon Picture ==

Thanks for [[Dave Fennoy]] and his picture. Now we need [[Nathan Fillion]]'s Picture.
[[User:MrFennoy75|Fen]] 9:30, 12 November 2011 (EST)

== 2 Stupid Dogs ==

Do you remember 2 Stupid Dogs?

:And speaking of dogs, any idea who the third missing dog is? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 22:10, 5 July 2013 (EDT)
::I didn't think we had an article for [[Patch (G1)|Patch]] so I didn't even look. But we DO have an article for Patch because OF COURSE we have an article for Patch! Incidentally, his design on that flyer reminds me of the title character from "The Family Dog", at least in the shape of his head. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:16, 5 July 2013 (EDT)

== Transformers Prime 2-Hour Special ==

For my own future use when I have time to work up the article:

トランスフォーマープライム深夜の完全変形 2時間ペシャル (''Transformers: Prime Shinya no Kanzen Henkei Nijikan Special''; Transformers: Prime Perfect Transformation Late Night 2-Hour Special). [http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xstkzs_%E3%83%88%E3%83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B9%E3%83%95%E3%82%A9%E3%83%BC%E3%83%9E%E3%83%BC%E3%83%97%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%83%A0-%E6%B7%B1%E5%A4%9C%E3%81%AE%E5%AE%8C%E5%85%A8%E5%A4%89%E5%BD%A2-2%E6%99%82%E9%96%93%E3%83%9A%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A3%E3%83%AB-1-3_shortfilms#.UeWB1hgo670 video for part 1] and [http://tf.takaratomy.co.jp/toy/event/2012/tv-tokyo/ the official webpage advertising it] --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 13:39, 16 July 2013 (EDT)

== Thanks! ==

Rhyming is not one of my best points. :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:58, 5 September 2013 (EDT)
:Not a problem! Most of my older rhymes need tightening, too, but I may never get around to redoing them. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 17:04, 5 September 2013 (EDT)

==Oubari==
Spengler, I have had this tweet from Oubari saved with no one to show it to. It seems to mention Transformers in some capacity? It might just be advertising the new DVD set.

https://twitter.com/g1_bari/status/158567583287746560

If nothing else, this seems to be Oubari's official Twitter account. I don't know if you use Twitter or can write conversational Japanese, but maybe we can work out a way to actually get some answers from the horse's mouth... --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:38, 18 October 2013 (EDT)
:A rough translation:
::"Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers DVD Set 1 is being released on the 25th of this month! I drew this jacket myself, and I'm really happy they're using it again (smiley face)."
:I don't have a Twitter account, no. I could write something simple, but I'm afraid I lack confidence in my conversational skills; I'd be worried about whether it would be polite, as I'd hate to come off as rude. A "please excuse my poor Japanese" qualifier doesn't seem very feasible via twitter's limited character length.
:Maybe break it up into two Tweets? A first one with the polite qualifier (済みません,私の日本語は余り良くないです. 私が質問をすることが?) ("Excuse me, my Japanese isn't very good. May I ask a question?") If he consents, then try a second tweet with a specific question, maybe. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 13:35, 18 October 2013 (EDT)

==G.I.Joe vs Tranformers==
Would've funk it? As I was reading those articles you were adding in the information I was actively wondering about. Thanks! [[User:Altercron|Altercron]] 14:15, 6 November 2013 (EST)
:An act of providence, no doubt! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 13:48, 6 November 2013 (EST)
::Indeed. Now I just have to track those down. I've got the vol1 tpb and a copy of issue 1 signed by Blaylock.--[[User:Altercron|Altercron]] 14:20, 6 November 2013 (EST)

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Ravage (SG)

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{{factions|sgDecepticon}}
{{disambig3.5|the heroic Decepticon mini-cassette|his evil counterpart|Ravage (G1)|Ravage}}
:''Ravage is a heroic [[Decepticon]] [[Decepticon Mini-Cassette|Recordicon]] from the [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:SGRavage-EvanGauntt.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Hi! Do you see me? I'm waving!]]
Hi, I'm '''Ravage'''!<ref>I'm like a saboteur! Totally! I break stuff, srsly!</ref> I'm a white jaguar! I'm the one that's waving! Can you see me?<ref>Old crummy [[Steeljaw (SG)|Steeljaw]] never sees me! I jump all around but he keeps sleeping. He is the worst best friend ever!!! #bffs</ref> I love micro-blogging, so I talk in less<ref>Guys keep telling me that it's technically "fewer" and not "less" because whatevs, but that's what it says on the website!</ref> than 140 charact

{{quote|Hey im right over u do u see me? Im the metal cat waving at u on the big rock!|posted by ravagekitteh via [[Yatter]] mobile web feed}}

==Fiction==
===''Shattered Glass''===
When the ''[[Ark (SG)|Ark]]'' launched for a second time, Ravage accompanied [[Sir Soundwave|Soundwave]] to [[Earth]] in the pursuit on the ''[[Nemesis (SG)|Nemesis]]'', and his escape pod landed near Soundwave's after the ship was shot down by the [[human]]s. He then joined in on the search for the ''Nemesis''. {{storylink|The Desert Heat!}}

When Soundwave, [[Heatwave (Timelines)|Heatwave]], Ravage, and [[Frenzy (SG)|Frenzy]] finally located the ''Nemesis''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s crash site, they noticed a team of scientists snooping around. Ravage decided to have fun with two of them, [[Will Hayes|Will]] and [[Rick Ottman|Rick]], by chasing them around playfully, waving at them, quipping at them in [[wikipedia:Lolcat|LOLspeak]], and [[Yatter|text-messaging them]] so they'd notice he was sneaking up behind them. Eventually Soundwave and Heatwave transformed to deal with and calm down the panicked humans. When Frenzy arrived with the other two, [[Henri Arkeville|Professor Arkeville]] and [[Sephie Beller|Sephie]], he told Ravage things would have gone more smoothly if he hadn't acted like, well, himself. Ravage reacted indignantly to the chastisement.

[[Image:BlitzwingBop-Ravage.jpg|left|thumb|200px|I totally look like a dog here LOL!!!! but I am a CAT :3]]

Ravage ended up getting along famously with Sephie, who understood his odd Netspeak and internet obsessions (both of which merely baffled the other [[Decepticon]]s), and happily purred at and snuggled up to her attentions. When the Decepticons made their attack to free [[Burpleson Air Force Base]] from the [[Autobot]]s' control, [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] paired them together since Sephie was the only one who could "shut [Ravage] up".

The two were among the ones able to sneak into the base while riding in Soundwave, with the help of a cover story from Will and Rick. They then all split up, with Sephie and Ravage heading towards the control room. Before they could get there, however, they ran into [[Wheeljack (SG)|Wheeljack]], who Ravage cheerfully waved at from the middle of the hallway. However, when the crazy inventor started ranting and pounding the walls, he sensibly took off running with Sephie.

They eventually managed to lose Wheeljack, but by that point Heatwave had already managed to talk the base's transmitter into evacuating the base in preparation for destroying it with the [[Global Orbiting Defense Satellite]], so Sephie and Ravage opted for getting out of there themselves. {{storylink|Eye in the Sky}}

When Soundwave was busy trying to find where [[Blitzwing (SG)|Blitzwing]] had run off to, Ravage informed him that someone had posted on their Yatter account that there was a giant robot near their house, enabling Soundwave to arrive just in the nick of time to save the wayward Decepticon from [[Blaster (SG)|Blaster]]. {{storylink|Blitzwing Bop}}

After Sephie augmented herself with Cybertronian tech, and Starscream confined her to base, Soundwave sent Ravage to have a talk to her. Unfortunately by the time Ravage got there, she'd left a note saying she was going to attack the Autobots. {{storylink|Transhuman}}
{{-}}

===''Recordicons''===
Ravage and [[Thundercracker (SG)|Thundercracker]] were ambushed by a group of Autobots including [[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Rodimus (SG)|Rodimus]]. The event would later become known (probably only by Ravage) as [[Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction (SG)|Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction]]. {{storylink|Recordicons#Recordicons #3|Recordicons #3}}

[[Image:RecordiconsRavageandSteeljaw.jpg|right|thumb|200px|D'awwwwwww.]]
[[Steeljaw (SG)|Steeljaw]] was resting on a hill when Ravage popped up with a cheerful greeting. He tried to wake Steeljaw up for some playtime, but not even a lengthy pouncing session would make the Autobot move. Ravage confessed that Steeljaw was his best friend, which finally got a reaction out of Steeljaw in the form of a threat of bodily harm. {{storylink|Recordicons#Recordicons #1|Recordicons #1}} On Earth, Ravage wandered into a dark alley and encountered the celebrity philantropist [[Ratbat (SG)|Ratbat]]. As he asked the member of the frivolous elite for an autograph, the pair were surrounded by scary tough guys, and Ravage was knocked out. When he came to, Ratbat was nowhere to be found and the criminals were all tied up for law enforcement to take away. He was interviewed by the Autobot [[Slamdance (SG)|Slamdance]] regarding this incident, where he made sure to plug his Yatter feed. {{storylink|Recordicons#Recordicons #2|Recordicons #2}}

Ravage recounted the Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction tale to [[Buzzsaw (SG)|Buzzsaw]], who pedantically pointed out several incorrect details about the title. {{storylink|Recordicons#Recordicons #3|Recordicons #3}} [[Steeljaw (SG)|Steeljaw]] wondered why Ravage thought they were friends, and Ravage reminded him of that time he ate [[Enemy (SG)|Enemy]]'s body. {{storylink|Recordicons#Recordicons #4|Recordicons #4}} While they were hiding behind a [[Taco Horn]], Soundwave banned Ravage from updating Yatter. He didn't say anything about [[Boxball]] though, and Ravage's first check-in from a Mexican restaurant was worth 3 points. Unfortunately Ravage had friended [[Blaster (SG)|Blaster]], who saw the update and found them. Soundwave was so disappointed. {{storylink|Recordicons#Recordicons #6|Recordicons #6}}

[[Image:Recordicons7-futureRavage.jpg|left|thumb|250px|ZOMG!]]

Ravage was startled when his future self stepped through a time warp to tell him not to waste his life on the Internet. He was too busy blogging this happening to take any notice, much to his future self's disgust. His future self tried to salvage the situation by warning Ravage about lending [[Rumble (SG)|Rumble]] any money, but Ravage pointed out he was too late for that as Rumble had had met his end in the [[smelting pool]]. {{storylink|Recordicons#Recordicons #7|Recordicons #7}}

Ravage happened upon [[Laserbeak (SG)|Laserbeak]], who was listening to [[Look At Me I Am Waving (Double Trance Mix)|a song]] he claimed that Ravage probably hadn't heard of. Ravage promptly enlightened his avian friend—not only did he know [[Rosanna (SG)|Rosanna]] through Yatter, but she had used his Yatters as lyrics in the song Laserbeak was listening to! {{storylink|Recordicons#Recordicons #8|Recordicons #8}}

[[Image:Recordicons10-RavageRavage.jpg|right|thumb|250px|u mad??]]

While on a [[Primax 207.0 Epsilon|parallel Earth]], Ravage was tracked down by his [[Ravage (G1)|positive universe counterpart]] who intended to end him. When Ravage's request to be allowed to update Yatter was denied, he flew into a rage and attacked the other Ravage. {{storylink|Recordicons#Recordicons #10|Recordicons #10}} He was super happy to meet a [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] who wasn't evil and find lots of new Recordicon buddies, though after [[Stripes]] told him that [[Blockrock]] turned into a bomb, he stayed a safe distance from that guy. {{storylink|Recordicons#Recordicons #12|Recordicons #12}}

When Steeljaw pointed out that there must be a positive-universe version of himself, Ravage came to the conclusion that the opposite of his friend Steeljaw would be his enemy. Consequently when he met the other Steeljaw, Ravage socked him and made plain to the startled Autobot that they were enemies. {{storylink|Recordicons#Recordicons #13|Recordicons #13}} After crashing, Ravage was told by [[Glit (SG)|Glit]] that he shouldn't text while driving. Ravage demanded a second opinion, but positive-universe [[Glit (KP)|Glit]] told him the same thing, causing Ravage to interject that the second Glit was supposed to be evil. {{storylink|Recordicons#Recordicons #14|Recordicons #14}}

Ravage accidentally fell out of Soundwave while the latter was disguised as a light pylon, giving their position away to a couple of passing Autobots. As Soundwave complained, Ravage attempted to blame gravity for the mishap. {{storylink|Recordicons#Recordicons #17|Recordicons #17}} Ravage used his new friend [[Solarbot]] to fast-charge Steeljaw, as Steeljaw had previously claimed he was too busy solar charging to be Ravage's friend. {{storylink|Recordicons#Recordicons #18|Recordicons #18}} Ravage suggested [[Beastbox (SG)|Beastbox]] get an anti-virus after [[Squawktalk (SG)|Squawktalk]] began randomly emitting Internet spam phrases. {{storylink|Recordicons#Recordicons #19|Recordicons #19}}

At some point in the future, Ravage was upgraded into a new body and went back in time to warn himself about wasting his time on the Internet. {{storylink|Recordicons#Recordicons #7|Recordicons #7}}
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==Toys==
===Beast Wars===
[[Image:BW Tigerhawk toy.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Fly, my kitty! Fly!]]
*'''Tigerhawk''' (Transmetal 2 Ultra, 1999)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-50'''

: ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' [[Tigerhawk]] was officially repurposed as Ravage. He transforms into half-robotic, half-technorganic, flying robot tiger-thing. Yes. In beast mode, he is armed with "[[Hidden wing-tipped missiles]]", feather projectiles very similar to the Fuzor [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]]'s, with spring-loaded switches to flip the wings forward, and flip-out missile launchers which activate when a lever on Tigerhawk's back is pulled (which also moves the wings). Under his beast head is a small cockpit with a pilot's chair (see Notes below).

: Like Transmetal 2 Megatron, Tigerhawk features a somewhat aborted "third mode", which is just a minor rearrangement of his beast mode parts with his vacuum-metalized helmet (or "[[Targeting Computer Battle Visor]]") covering his beast tiger head, making him look rather like Battle Cat from ''He-Man''.

: In robot mode, Tigerhawk has a decent level of articulation, though his elbow joints are designed in such a way as to be not particularly useful. Due to his heels being vacuum-metalized, they are especially susceptible to scratching, as owners are likely to reposition them frequently to cope better with the heavy wings and gimmicks on his back.

[[Image:Tigerhawkweaponspecs.jpg|right|200px|thumb]]
: Judging from his packaging art, it seems that along with [[Optimus Minor]], [[Sonar (BW)|Sonar]] and [[Scarem]] Tigerhawk was amongst the few Transmetals 2 that was intended to have the strange feature of having access to multiple limbs in robot mode... In this case, a second pair of arms formed by his rear beast mode legs.

: A back-of-the-box graph for Tigerhawk gives technical designations to some of his robot mode parts. In addition to the already-mentioned "hidden wing-tip missiles" and "targeting computer battle visor," they include "[[Blast-open thunder torpedoes]]," "[[Ion-charged talons]]," "[[Accelerator beam-turret cannon]]" and "[[Multi-stage deployment wings]]."

:This mold was later used to make ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Razorclaw (Universe)|Razorclaw]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1999/Maximal/Tigerhawk/tigerhawk.htm More information on Tigerhawk at TFU.info]''

{{anchor|BC01}}
[[Image:BWtoy-TigatronTransmetal.jpg|right|300px|thumb|I can wave! In both modes! =D]]
*'''Tigatron''' (Deluxe, 2001)
**''Accessories'': Tail-whip, left & right pistol barrels

: Beast Wars [[Tigatron]] was officially [[repurposing|repurposed]] as the future form of Shattered Glass Ravage. A [[BotCon 2001]] [[exclusive]], [[Transmetal]] Tigatron is a redeco of ''[[Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Metals (franchise)|Beast Wars Metals]]'' [[Ravage (G1)/toys#Metals|Ravage]], which is itself a [[retool]] of Transmetal [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]. He transforms into a mechanical cat with flip-out thruster-wings. His robot-mode arms have spring-loaded flip-out blaster grips, which also have barrel extensions that can be clipped to his legs in beast mode. His tail separates to become a whip weapon, but he doesn't hold it very well. His chest panels open up to reveal a decal; he also came with an extra decal sheet to display other options within his chest, plus Maximal and [[Wrecker]]s [[insignia|faction symbol]] decals for extra customization. Both he and [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] were limited to 1200 pieces.

: The original version of this mold was slightly retooled to make ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Armada]]'' [[Cheetor (Armada)|Cheetor]]. It was also used as the model for the non-toy character [[Cataclysm (BW)|Cataclysm]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2001/Maximal/Tigatron/tigatron.htm More information on Tigatron on TFU.info]''
{{-}}

===Beast Wars Metals===
{{anchor|Metals}}
[[File:BWtoy-JaguarTM.jpg|300px|thumb|Nobody actually transforms this thing. Ever.]]
* '''Jaguar''' (Beast Wars Metals Deluxe-sized toy, 1999)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''X-9'''
**''Accessories'': Tail-whip, left & right pistol barrels

: ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars Metals|Beast Wars Metals]]'' Jaguar was officially repurposed as Ravage. He is a heavy [[retool]]ing of [[Cheetor (BW)/toys|Transmetal Cheetor]], just as Ravage's robot mode CG model in the show is an altered [[Transmetal]] Cheetor. He transforms into a robotic big cat, with flip-out thrusters for a third "flight" mode (not, as in the episode, into a cassette tape that plays wicked 1980s style electric guitar, for obvious reasons). His forearms each have a spring-loaded flip out pistol stub, which can be extended with add-on barrels that clip to his rear legs in beast mode. His tail also can detach to form a whip-weapon, but he doesn't hold it very well.

: Jaguar's chest opens double-door-style to reveal a flat panel where one of three stickers can be placed. One, a [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] [[spark]] chamber, is factory applied. The other two, an image of the original Megatron from the Golden Disk recording or a Decepticon symbol, can be applied over the existing sticker.

: This toy was also used to represent [[Jaguar]] the Younger in the [[Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Metals (manga)|''Beast Wars Metals'' manga]] and the mold was used to make [[BotCon 2001]]'s version of [[Tigatron]]. The original version was used to make ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Armada]]'' [[Cheetor (Armada)|Cheetor]], and as the basis for the non-toy character [[Cataclysm (BW)|Cataclysm]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1999/Destron/Ravage/ravage.htm More information on ''Beast Wars Metals'' Jaguar at TFU.info]''
{{-}}

===Universe===
[[Image:Universe2003toy-RazorclawUltra.jpg|right|400px|thumb|Know that I wave! *wave*]]
* '''Razorclaw''' (Ultra, 2003)
**''Accessories'': 2 missiles, 2 feather-missiles

: [[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]] Razorclaw was officially repuposed as Ravage. He is a dark gray and purple [[redeco]] and slight [[retool]] of [[Tigerhawk]], transforming into a winged mechanical/organic tiger with a bird-helmeted "attack mode". In attack mode, he is armed with "feather" missiles very similar to the Fuzor [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]]'s, with spring-loaded switches to flip the wings forward, and flip-out missile launchers which activate when a lever on Razorclaw's back is pulled (which also moves the wings). A bird helmet that is usually hidden mostly behind the tiger head is deployed in this mode. (The normal beast mode points these missiles backwards and uses the normal tiger head.) Under his beast head is a small cockpit with an empty pilot's chair, a vestigial remnant of his aborted "third mode."

: Razorclaw's hind leg talons are also spring-loaded to snap closed when the palms are depressed. His beast mode tiger head has an articulated jaw and an articulated tongue! The flip-out missile launchers can be removed and pegged into the top and bottom of Razorclaw's left fist pegholes.

:His feather-missile launcher mechanisms were slightly [[Retool|retooled]] from the original version of the toy. Though his toy is a [[Decepticon]] by allegiance, it keeps its sculpted Maximal logo.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/Razorclaw/razorclaw.htm More information on Razorclaw at TFU.info]''

{{--}}

===Kiss Players===
[[Image:Glittoy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|If I wave I fall over. :~(]]
*'''Cassettron Set Kiss Players Position''' (Multi-pack, 2006)
**''Accessories'': Left & right "multifunctional medical tool boxes"

: ''[[Transformers: Kiss Players (toyline)|Kiss Players]]'' [[Glit (KP)|Glit]] was officially [[repurposing|repurposed]] as Shattered Glass Ravage. A [[redeco]] of the original [[Ravage (G1)/toys|Ravage]] mold, he transforms from a microcassette that can fit into the tape door of the [[Soundwave (G1)/toys|Soundwave]] and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] toys to a robot jaguar. He was available only in an [[e-HOBBY]] [[exclusive]] set with [[Rosanna (KP)|Rosanna]] and [[Sundor]], which also came with a bonus music CD. The Cassettron set was released during the second week of March 2007.

: This mold was also used to make [[Howlback (G1)|Howlback]] and [[Stripes]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Destron/Glit/glit.htm More information on Glit at TFU.info]
::*''[http://www.transformertoys.co.uk/content.php?/transformers-toys/toy-gallery/1131/Kiss-Play/Glit.html Glit toy gallery at Transformertoys.co.uk]
{{--}}

===Timelines===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-SGRavage.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Glit who, lol!!!]]
*'''Double Punch and Turbomaster''' (BotCon 2010 souvenir set)

: An honest-to-god nonrepurposed Shattered Glass Ravage toy, a redeco of ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Ravage (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Ravage]], transforms into a "cassette", or "capture mode" according to the original version of the mold's instructions. This mode fits onto the back of his mold-partner "[[Scorch (G1)|Turbomaster]]" via a pair of clips on the vehicle mode that fit into the tape spools. In this mode, Ravage is compatible with the original [[Soundwave (G1)/toys|Soundwave]] and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] toys. In jaguar mode, the [[5mm post|5mm holes]] can accommodate Glit's weapons or those of the original Ravage (even though there are tiny versions of the weapons above his hips).

:He was sold in a [[BotCon 2010]] souvenir set along with [[Double Punch]] and "Turbomaster". Unlike those two, Ravage didn't come with a bio card, probably because we know way too much about Ravage already! ''Timelines'' Ravage, like his set-mates, is limited to 1500 pieces.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2010/Decepticon/BCRavage/ravage.htm More information on Ravage at TFU.info]''
{{--}}

==Notes==
*Shattered Glass Ravage was [http://www.shortpacked.com/2009/comic/book-8/04-guest-strips-and-miscellany/sgravage/ conceived] as a humorous fan-character by [[David Willis]], as a silly inversion of [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]]'s role as a quiet, stealthy spy. The character gained a bit of a following when Willis set up Twitter and Facebook pages for him as part of the joke, leading to his being officialized with a profile in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 26|issue 26]] of the [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)|Transformers Collectors' Club magazine]].
* The blue-and-white jaguar whose corpse appears in [[Drift issue 2|''Drift'' #2]] was drawn into the issue by [[Alex Milne]] at the apparent urging of a friend, who envisioned it as Shattered Glass Ravage and sought to annoy David Willis (who was more amused than anything) by killing him.<ref>[http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=204657#204657 markerguru's post in "Transformers Drift #1: Reactions, Reviews, Spoilers" from the IDW Publishing Forums]</ref> Because we're a bunch of nerds who'd rather have a bit of fun with it, we've listed it as an appearance of [[Glit (KP)|Generation 1 Glit]] since ''Drift'' #2 is a Generation 1-based story and not a Shattered Glass one.
*One of Ravage's ''many'' possible future selves looks like [[Under-3]], but in white.
*He's the one that's waving!

==Footnotes==
<references/>

==External links==
*[http://twitter.com/ravagekitteh Ravage's Twitter feed]
*[https://www.facebook.com/sg.ravage Ravage's Facebook profile]
*[http://www.formspring.me/sgravage Ravage's Formspring.me account]

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Talk:Ravage (SG)

2013-11-05T18:34:23Z

Altercron:

==[[Universe Razorclaw]]==
Maybe I'm missing something but I've read through the article and can't find where he was upgraded into this body. When did this happen?--[[User:Altercron|Altercron]] 12:47, 5 November 2013 (EST)
:It's probably from the most recent Recordicons, which the fiction section doesn't seem to have been updated with yet. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 12:50, 5 November 2013 (EST)
::Yeah, it's Recordicons. Abates usually puts the fiction sections, but I put up the repurposed toys. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 13:08, 5 November 2013 (EST)
::: Thanks guys. Nice to know I actually have a Shattered Glass Ravage now. --[[User:Altercron|Altercron]] 13:34, 5 November 2013 (EST)

Talk:Ravage (SG)

2013-11-05T17:47:32Z

Altercron: Created page with "Universe Razorclaw Maybe I'm missing something but I've read through the article and can't find where he was upgraded into this body. When did this happen?--~~~~"

[[Universe Razorclaw]]
Maybe I'm missing something but I've read through the article and can't find where he was upgraded into this body. When did this happen?--[[User:Altercron|Altercron]] 12:47, 5 November 2013 (EST)

Soundwaves (issue)

2013-11-01T03:21:35Z

Altercron: /* Synopsis */

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'''As the secrets of Soundwave's past are laid bare, Shockwave's preparations reach their final phase.'''

==Synopsis==

''Four million years ago, at the peak of the [[Decepticon]] uprising, [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]] joins [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] in the [[Senate]] chambers just as the communications officer is extracting [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]]'s [[brain module]]. [[Kaon]] burns as [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] battles [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]], which Soundwave sees as the first step towards a new [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], but which Shockwave views as an end unto itself, rather than a means.''

In the present day, Soundwave attacks Shockwave, furiously declaring that he has no understanding of loyalty. Based on his brief battle with [[Dreadwing (G2)|Dreadwing]], Shockwave believes Soundwave has come without his [[Decepticon Mini-Cassette|cassettes]], but the spymaster proves him wrong when he ejects his entire army of tapes from his chest.

''Before the Decepticons' uprising, Megatron and Soundwave talk about their ongoing attempts to destabilize the political climate of Cybertron. Soundwave has recently gained full control of his mind-reading powers, and with the new clarity he has gained, he puts forth a plan to use his employer Ratbat to achieve Megatron's goals: allow the Decepticons to be captured, forcing an emergency assembly of the Senate in Kaon. The Decepticons could then kill their oppressors, at last making a clear declaration to the planet that they are a force to be reckoned with.''

While most of the cassettes tackle Dreadwing, Soundwave and [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] grapple with Shockwave. Ravage flings himself in the path of a blast meant for his master and is fatally wounded, driving Soundwave into a rage, but that only lasts a moment as the [[Ore-14]] of the cavern restores Ravage to life. Shockwave explains this to Soundwave in terms he believes he will understand: thanks to Shockwave's work, the concepts of life and death are now mere ''data'' to be manipulated.

''Soundwave watches silently as Shockwave is brought before Megatron for the first time and charged with creating a [[combiner]] for the Decepticons. Unable to detect any emotions from the former senator thanks to the [[empurata]] he was subject to, Soundwave is both awed and disgusted by his utter unreadability, and knows that one day, it will be his job to kill Shockwave.''

But thanks to Ore-14, despite how hard he and his cassettes continue to fight, [[Crystal City]] is not—cannot be—the place or time for Soundwave to fulfil that millennia-old vow...

''Not long after his first meeting with Megatron, Soundwave is brought to the gladiator pits of Kaon, where he watches [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] and [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] brawl. Megatron inquires if the damage to Cybertron that Ratbat's manipulation of the burgeoning Decepticon movement causes bothers Soundwave, but Soundwave struggles to answer, bombarded with the unfocused input of so many minds and emotions around him. Ravage, [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] and [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzaw]] also intrigue Megatron, and he is pleased to see Soundwave views them as equals, rather than lesser beings as the [[Functionist]]s do. Megatron permits Soundwave to read his mind, and Soundwave sees within Megatron's spark his genuine desire for Functionism to be done away with and all Cybertronians made equal. The strength of this dream gives something Soundwave to believe in, to focus on...''

Knowing that the battle within Crystal City is unwinnable, Soundwave and his cassettes depart, and Shockwave allows them to go, much to Dreadwing's consternation. Shockwave re-establishes contact with [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]], updates him on the events on [[Gorlam Prime]]: though the planet is dying, [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Orion Pax]] lives, and the [[Metrotitan (body-type)|Metrotitan]] is reading to depart for Cybertron. In a flash, the titan materializes in the cavern behind Shockwave.

''Far into the past, a destitute Soundwave is living in isolation on the streets with Ravage, Laserbeak and Buzzsaw, slowly gaining control of his mind-reading powers when he is approached by Ratbat, who offers to employ him for his abilities. Soundwave hates him on sight, but the hate gives him focus...''

Soundwave returns to the Decepticon camp, where his comrades demand to know if Shockwave has been stopped. The sudden eruption of a mysterious light from off in the distance confirms that Soundwave has not succeeded, but as they wonder what the illumination ''is'', Soundwave informs them that it is the beginning of the Decepticons' most important battle—the battle to save Cybertron.

''Long, long ago, Ravage, Buzzsaw and Frenzy are wandering through the street grousing about the Senate when they happen upon Soundwave: delirious, barely coherent, his uncontrolled mind-powers bombarding him with a sensory maelstrom he cannot penetrate. Ravage approaches him, able to smell that he is "an alright guy", and shares with him the tricks of control that a lifetime mastering his own enhanced olfactory senses have taught him. Focus is the key, Ravage explains: find something to focus on, and mastery can be achieved.''

==Featured characters==
Characters in ''italic text'' appear only in flashbacks. 
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*[[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (2)
*[[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]] (3)
*[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] (4)
*''[[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]]'' (6)
*[[Dreadwing (G2)|Dreadwing]] (7)
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*''[[Blackwall]]'' (14)
*[[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] (17)
*[[Needlenose]] (18)
*[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] (19)
*[[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] (20)
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==Quotes==

==Notes==

===Continuity notes===

*As with the previous issue, the flashbacks in this issue occur in reverse-chronological order, moving further backward in time with each passing scene. Where last issue's flashbacks were about Soundwave and Shockwave's history together, this issue is specifically about Soundwave's personal history; as such, its title "Soundwaves" parallels the title of [[Shockwaves|issue #17]], "Shockwaves", which was about Shockwave's history.
*The first flashback occurs concurrently with ''[[The Transformers: Megatron Origin|Megatron: Origin]]'' [[Megatron Origin issue 4|#4]], continuing the scene within its pages of Soundwave removing Ratbat's [[spark]]. Here, in accordance with the establishment of [[Rossum's Trinity]] that has taken place within IDW continuity since the publication of ''Megatron: Origin'' (specifically, in ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' [[Liars, A to D Part 3: The Chaos of Warm Things|#3]]), Soundwave is further seen removing Ratbat's [[brain module]].
*The second flashback takes place somewhere within ''[[Megatron Origin issue 3|Megatron: Origin'' #3]], and reveals that it was Soundwave who formulated the plan to allow the Decepticons to be captured that was then carried out across the third and fourth issues of the series.
*Flashback number three takes us back to events seen in issue #17 of ''Robots in Disguise'', also occurring within ''Megatron: Origin'' #3, again extending a scene from that issue.
*The fourth flashback occurs between ''Megatron: Origin'' [[Megatron Origin issue 2|#2]] and #3, and shows us Scorponok and Grimlock battling in the gladiatorial pits under Megatron—something that we've been ''told'' is part of the characters' histories, but which we've not actually seen until now! This scene also shows the moment and reason that Soundwave came to believe in Megatron's mission, something that ''Megatron: Origin'' itself didn't actually go into.
*The Metrotitan arrives in Crystal City following its departure from Gorlam Prime in [[Homecoming (IDW)|issue #19]].
*The "sunrise" that glows behind Soundwave upon his return to the Decepticon camp is that same mysterious light that we saw appear at the end of issues [[Second Exodus|issue #18]] and [[Three Monologues|issue #20]].

===Real-life references===
*When he declares that "some are more equal than others", Soundwave is quoting from [[Wikipedia: George Orwell|George Orwell]]'s ''[[Wikipedia: Animal Farm|Animal Farm]]''.

===Covers (3)===
*'''Cover A:''' Shockwave, Monstructor, Dreadwing and Jhiaxus, by [[Andrew Griffith]].
*'''Cover B:''' Soundwave and his cassettes, by [[Casey Coller]] and [[Joana Lafuente]].
*'''Cover RI:''' Soundwave and Laserbeak by [[Livio Ramondelli]], in the third part of a three-part image formed with the RI covers of issues #20 and #21.
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Talk:Starscream (G1)

2013-10-31T02:03:31Z

Altercron: /* Unicron symbol? */

==MP Starscream==
No slight upon you, Walky, but you are wrong, and the photo you have is a bad photo. The F-15E (the model Starscream is based upon, I accidently typed D in error) has only ever had one colour throughout its existence, "Gunship Grey". Its color code (issued by the government in the current FS595B) is FS 36118, and is used only many planes. It is famous for being currently used on the B-52 Stratofortress and the B-2 Spirit stealth bomber. Have you seen any green bombers or stealth bombers in the last decade?

The F-15E is not green like MP SS at all. Somebody at TakaraTomy looked at the bad or doctored photos you looked at and concluded those are the accurate colours, or they wanted to do something different.

Additional Trivia: I recall somebody finding pics of early F-15s that Classics Starscream's colour scheme was based upon. Amusingly, those photos have been doctored. The early F-15s were painted sky blue, because they were to fly around the blue skies of California. Additionally, the prototypes were also sky blue with bright orange in the same patterns as Classics Starscream's reds. For some reason the US Air Force doctored these photos to make the F-15s look more like later models, and so Don Figueroa or somebody at Hasbro based SS's deco on these doctored photos (thankfully).

Oh, your revert also wiped out whatever else I said not relating to the MP. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:00, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
: I'd like to note that MP Starscream photographs way more green than he is in person. --[[User:68.75.18.107|68.75.18.107]] 22:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

:: Yeah, but still the wrong colours, and I think it bears noting. If anybody is wondering, there is no real reason why MP Skywarp is mostly black with little purple on his hull in fighter mode, either, since last I checked, they never painted F-15s black. They did with F-14s and F-16s, as I recall. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:23, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

==Second in Command==
Is Starscream really the second in command though? I mean, he certainly takes over whenever Megs is incapacitated, but I don't believe that Megatron ever gave him control over a friggin' Planet.

So what I'm suggesting here is that Shockwave is the actual second-in-command, not Starscream. Unless it is actually written somewhere that Starscream IS the second in command. In which case my comment is cheerfully withdrawn.--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 23:00, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Point.
Maybe I should have said "Second in Command of the Forces on Earth". Also, when Megatron fell in the movie, it was He, and not Shockwave, who took command. But you're right, I'm not sure if it is ever actually stated, or in fact correct.
:Writer's decision maybe,since Shockwave later got crushed under a falling ceiling. [[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 22:03, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
----
Yeah, Everyone assumes that Ol' Mr. Screamy is the second in command, but I'm pretty sure that that is only based on the fact that he gets the most screen time (as he should, because he's the best Decepticon).

Also, didn't he get the title of Leadership because he beat the ever loving crap out of all the other Decepticons?--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 00:04, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, we never see Starscream enter that battle, its just we see them arguing over it, and then when we're back on Cybertron, Starscream is the victor, thou we never even saw him make his stake in the previous scene. Sounds more like he waited for everyone else to beat the ever loving poop out of each other, then beat the remaining love out of an already injured candidate... G1 Cartoon Starscream never did anything that didn't make him look like an fool. And his voice never helped. However, Energon and Galaxy Force Starscreams. Particually Galaxy Force. You can see he's planning it all out carefully, trying to wait until Master Megatron slips just enough for him to take over. And He could do so too. Never seen what Starscream was like in the comics though. How was he there?

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Considerably whinier then he was in the G1 cartoon. Though he DID attain near-Godhood for a brief time (thanks to the vast powers of the Underbase), during which time he pretty well destroyed both sides of the war. Then he got greedy, took more power and it blew him up. Inexplicably, despite being pivotal in the near extinction of his own race, Megatron decided to revive Starscream with Pretender technology.

Meg's never was very bright.
--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 00:20, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Not quite as dim as G1-Season 3 Galvatron.
"Look! A Ghost!" <Bang Bang>
"Look! A School Girl!" <Bang Bang>
"Look! My Foot!" <Bang Bang, followed by screaming>

I '''hate''' it when I forget to check the minor edit box. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 19:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, I though you had rewritten the Titanium section, which I wouldn't haved minded as my description of his transforming WW toy is abit crap. Have I forgotten any G1 Starscream toys there? I think there was a Legends release of the Pretender inner robot, but bah, I don't have enough to say about. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:52, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
::The Pretender Starscream section already mentions the Legends release; I expanded it to match Bumblebee's entry. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 19:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
::: The Legends release should be given its own headers, as it was a separate release in America. In theory, you should be able to scroll down through the toy list and see every toy release in bold. (Well, minus foreign releases, since we tend to treat those as variants.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
::::Okay, I added a Legends entry, but I don't think its worth the bother adding a new picture for it, since its the same as the Pretender inner bot. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 21:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

===Tech spec numbers===

Maddening! Pretender Starscream's TS numbers are clearly based on the correct ones, ie those given to Skywarp on the 1984 packaging. But AM Starscream, G2 Starscream and MW Starscream all use the ones on Starscream's 1984 packaging, ie the ones that actually belong to Thundercracker. Whyyyyy. -[[User:LV|LV]] 01:35, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
: *slap!* Don't you ''ever'' expect sense from tech specs again. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 01:52, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

==Spark==
I feel like Starscream's capsule bio shouldn't mention the indestructible spark, since there is no indication as to whether that is true in any specific continuity besides Beast Wars. It is ''maybe'' true in the G1 toon, but, also maybe he was actually just a ghost there, whatever that means. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:34, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
: I don't see why it's "maybe" true in the G1 toon. I mean, Beast Wars got the idea FROM the Starscream's ghost thing -- hell, it's a SEQUEL -- it's just that "indestructable spark" is the crazy science language for it. That's one of the most straightforward retcons in Transformers. It's definitely true in the G1 cartoon, it's definitely true in Beast Wars, and it's true in Dreamwave continuity, too, since everything was written to work with and lead up to Beast Wars. And it won't be PROVEN untrue anywhere else until a Starscream dies for good. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:36, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
::How well does it mesh with Marvel? --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 18:07, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
:::[[Image:ZombieScream1.jpg|200px]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:00, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
::::In fairness, it ''is'' pointed out that residual Underbase energy is responsible for animating him there. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:04, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::In crazy inadmissable speculation land, I would credit the residual Underbase energy for giving him a mutant indestructable spark in the first place. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:41, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Heck, everyone was pretty invincible there. Blow 'em and up and you just had to put their bodies to bring them back to life. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:42, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

==Generation 2==
There's mention of Jhiaxus controlling the Warworld, and while it's been awhile since I've read G2, wasn't the warworld in Megatron's possession at the time? I don't seem to recall Jhiaxus ever controlling it.--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 02:50, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
: Starscream dumped Megatron and his Decepticons and wooed himself over to Jhiaxus' team by providing information that would get him the Warworld. Cybertronian Empire troops stormed the War World, kicked the Combaticons' asses, and then took it over. Starscream then doublecrossed Jhiaxus' troops and injested the Matrix. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:36, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

so does starscream make a better leader then Megatron

== Captions ==

Is this vandalism? [[User:Ajrand|Ajrand]] ([[User talk:Ajrand|Signalbook]])([[Special:Contributions/Ajrand|Logbook]]) 05:06, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
*On Teletraan I, we have a more laid back attitude to picture captions. We allow jokes, so long as they're relevant and in good taste. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 05:08, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
**Ah. I haven't spent much time on this wiki; I'm more used to Wookiepedia. Much less laid back, eh? Well, thanks [[User:Ajrand|Ajrand]] ([[User talk:Ajrand|Signalbook]])([[Special:Contributions/Ajrand|Logbook]]) 05:12, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

== An Homage in Hearts of Steel ==
I was curious about Starscream's "head fins" on his Hearts redesign. So I asked Guido, via Deviantart, if they were a homage to similar fins on Waspinator's robot head. The response came.

:"These fins are more an homage to Leozak from TF Victory", he said.

So, worthy of a trivia note? And if so, what page will get it? Starscream? Hearts of Steel? Leozak? --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 02:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

== Well, that's interesting. ==

Seems Starscream's "betrayal" in Megatron: Origin was anything but.[http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=8503&dispsize=800&start=0] Between this and the little cabal turning to Starscream in Devastation I'm starting to like IDW Starscream. He keeps a lot of his G1 traits, but he's more of a serious contender than in other continuities.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 18:36, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

==Ulchtar==
Hey, wasn't this actually Denny O'Neil's name for the character? [[User:Chip|Chip]] 16:11, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

== Revoltech Development ==

I'm not sure how best to insert this info into the Toy/Merchandise section, so I'm putting it here for now, both in Hot Rod and Starscream's discussion pages.

Revoltech Yamaguchi versions of Hot Rod and Starscream are being developed for release on March 15. Since they're still in the production process, the final figures may differ from the photos shown [http://ga.sbcr.jp/mreport/008583/ here]. No other details are currently available.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 08:18, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

== Split? ==

This page is getting kind of big... perhaps splitting the toy section from the article much like what was done to Prime, Megatron, Bumblebee and Hot Rod would be something to do? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:36, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:I agree. I've been thinking about that for a while now, and Screamer's toy section appears large enough to merit one. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:43, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
::And make another section for Starscream's toys? Or SEEKER toys? Because the latter would be hilariously large and never ending! >XD -- [[User:akindofdrifter|akindofdrifter]]

== Trivia section ==

FYI, the direct link to the Robot Masters Starscream image at TFU pops up a "TFU: Protected" filler image unless you cut and paste the URL instead.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:17, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

== Cartoon screencaps ==

Hey, who uploaded all of those G1 Starscream screencaps? You didn't name them in the correct format. You're supposed to use the title of the story/episode they are from somewhere in the name so, on the off chance the description is lost (such as when it was lost in the database crash) or when the description is wrong or inadequate, we have some idea of which episode or story its from if it isn't obvious from the image. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:07, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
:Yeeah, that was me. Sorry about that.
:(and I'd do it again, too! Bwahahaha!)</small!> - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:28, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
::And you would've gotten away with it too if it wasn't for those meddling Aussies! --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:30, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
:::<nowiki>*</nowiki>shakes fist* --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:39, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

==Kiss Players image==
This is an honest question. Since we link "Dirk Dinobot" for being NSFW, why don't we do the same for the image where Screamer possesses Atari? [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 20:39, 7 June 2009 (EDT)
:Because there's no exposed genitalia. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:54, 7 June 2009 (EDT)
:: Fair enough. Just curious. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 21:11, 7 June 2009 (EDT)

== Star Wars Reference ==

I wondered if this might be worth mentioning in the notes section:

There were a series of Star Wars books by John Whitman released in the late nineties for older children, which centered around an Imperial conspiracy to create an army of evil, ''immortal'' soldiers.

It was of course called, "Project Starscream".

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Project_Starscream

== It has been suggested this article should be split into Starscream (G1) and Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity. ==

Go ahead and split the page. I would like to see anyone try to split the page.([[User:Dr L|Dr L]] 18:37, 9 October 2009 (EDT))
:Okay. Done.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:51, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
::Why is the cartoon section indicator SO BLOODY SMALL? I can guarantee that people will scroll past that while looking for familiar cartoon images to capture there eye, and wonder why don't we cover his cartoon appearances. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:04, 11 October 2009 (EDT)
::Yeah, there should be a brief bio & picture there, like on the OpPrime page. Also, an opening blurb & mainpic on the /G1cc page. - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 08:13, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

== Mystery Solved? ==

So we have an origin/explanation for Starscream's ghost at last:
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/293677-e-hobby-mp-ghost-starscream-bio.html

How retroactive do we consider this?
: That's not an explanation for Starscream's ghost. When in previous fiction did a giant-sized Starscream ghost made of every single G1 Starscream ever terrorize a human city? This is an entirely new story involving another Starscream ghost. On top of that, we've had an explanation for Starscream's ghost for nearly 15 years now, in that he [[Bad Spark|has an immortal spark]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:22, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::Blugh, edit conflict. Yes, what Walky said. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 09:25, 27 February 2010 (EST)

::I disagree. "Mutant spark" was a description not really an explanation. But that aside read the story again. The giant Starscream is new to this story, yes, but it also says that a direct result of the method of their exit from limbo all the multiversal Starscream's that make it up have individually become "ghosts", and name themselves such, because they left part of their sparks in forever limbo. Whether we feel it needs it or not, it certainly reads to me like Japan trying to explain the origin/nature "ghost" bit to me.
:::But there was never a post-Underbase ghost Starscream, or any other incarnation of the G1 character ''other than'' the mutant-sparked G1 cartoon version. Energon Starscream got a ghost, but he was an entirely different character from a different continuity family and doesn't count. So while this element is canon, it is contradictory (and terrible) canon that can be noted without being integrated in a troublesome way. Reminds me of "[[Prime Spark (story)|Prime Spark]]", but worse. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 11:22, 27 February 2010 (EST)

== Age of Wrath? ==

How come it's not on here? {{unsigned|Mojotron}}
:Oversight? Please feel free to add it! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:44, 31 December 2011 (EST)

== Unicron symbol? ==

Maybe I'm blind, but I can't find on the page anything that would merit Starscream having the Unicron/Blentron brand up next to his Decepticon and Predacon ones. [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] 15:09, 29 October 2013 (EDT)
:It's likely in reference to the fact that in season 3 he acted as a pawn to Unicron, stealing Trypticon and Metroplex's eyes for Unicron's disembodied head.--[[User:Altercron|Altercron]] 15:23, 29 October 2013 (EDT)
::"[[Ghost in the Machine|Ghost in the Machine]]"--[[User:Altercron|Altercron]] 15:24, 29 October 2013 (EDT)
:::But that was in return for a new body. They struck a deal but does that definitely mean he was a pawn of Unicron? Megatron and Prime worked together several times but that doesn't mean they should get each others fraction symbols.[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 19:03, 29 October 2013 (EDT)
::::By that token, I'm pretty sure Swindle would need an Autobot symbol. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 19:03, 30 October 2013 (EDT)
:::::Yeah "pawn" was a poor choice of words, but it was the best I could come up with at the time. --[[User:Altercron|Altercron]] 22:03, 30 October 2013 (EDT)

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==MP Starscream==
No slight upon you, Walky, but you are wrong, and the photo you have is a bad photo. The F-15E (the model Starscream is based upon, I accidently typed D in error) has only ever had one colour throughout its existence, "Gunship Grey". Its color code (issued by the government in the current FS595B) is FS 36118, and is used only many planes. It is famous for being currently used on the B-52 Stratofortress and the B-2 Spirit stealth bomber. Have you seen any green bombers or stealth bombers in the last decade?

The F-15E is not green like MP SS at all. Somebody at TakaraTomy looked at the bad or doctored photos you looked at and concluded those are the accurate colours, or they wanted to do something different.

Additional Trivia: I recall somebody finding pics of early F-15s that Classics Starscream's colour scheme was based upon. Amusingly, those photos have been doctored. The early F-15s were painted sky blue, because they were to fly around the blue skies of California. Additionally, the prototypes were also sky blue with bright orange in the same patterns as Classics Starscream's reds. For some reason the US Air Force doctored these photos to make the F-15s look more like later models, and so Don Figueroa or somebody at Hasbro based SS's deco on these doctored photos (thankfully).

Oh, your revert also wiped out whatever else I said not relating to the MP. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:00, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
: I'd like to note that MP Starscream photographs way more green than he is in person. --[[User:68.75.18.107|68.75.18.107]] 22:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

:: Yeah, but still the wrong colours, and I think it bears noting. If anybody is wondering, there is no real reason why MP Skywarp is mostly black with little purple on his hull in fighter mode, either, since last I checked, they never painted F-15s black. They did with F-14s and F-16s, as I recall. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:23, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

==Second in Command==
Is Starscream really the second in command though? I mean, he certainly takes over whenever Megs is incapacitated, but I don't believe that Megatron ever gave him control over a friggin' Planet.

So what I'm suggesting here is that Shockwave is the actual second-in-command, not Starscream. Unless it is actually written somewhere that Starscream IS the second in command. In which case my comment is cheerfully withdrawn.--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 23:00, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Point.
Maybe I should have said "Second in Command of the Forces on Earth". Also, when Megatron fell in the movie, it was He, and not Shockwave, who took command. But you're right, I'm not sure if it is ever actually stated, or in fact correct.
:Writer's decision maybe,since Shockwave later got crushed under a falling ceiling. [[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 22:03, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
----
Yeah, Everyone assumes that Ol' Mr. Screamy is the second in command, but I'm pretty sure that that is only based on the fact that he gets the most screen time (as he should, because he's the best Decepticon).

Also, didn't he get the title of Leadership because he beat the ever loving crap out of all the other Decepticons?--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 00:04, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, we never see Starscream enter that battle, its just we see them arguing over it, and then when we're back on Cybertron, Starscream is the victor, thou we never even saw him make his stake in the previous scene. Sounds more like he waited for everyone else to beat the ever loving poop out of each other, then beat the remaining love out of an already injured candidate... G1 Cartoon Starscream never did anything that didn't make him look like an fool. And his voice never helped. However, Energon and Galaxy Force Starscreams. Particually Galaxy Force. You can see he's planning it all out carefully, trying to wait until Master Megatron slips just enough for him to take over. And He could do so too. Never seen what Starscream was like in the comics though. How was he there?

----
Considerably whinier then he was in the G1 cartoon. Though he DID attain near-Godhood for a brief time (thanks to the vast powers of the Underbase), during which time he pretty well destroyed both sides of the war. Then he got greedy, took more power and it blew him up. Inexplicably, despite being pivotal in the near extinction of his own race, Megatron decided to revive Starscream with Pretender technology.

Meg's never was very bright.
--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 00:20, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Not quite as dim as G1-Season 3 Galvatron.
"Look! A Ghost!" <Bang Bang>
"Look! A School Girl!" <Bang Bang>
"Look! My Foot!" <Bang Bang, followed by screaming>

I '''hate''' it when I forget to check the minor edit box. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 19:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, I though you had rewritten the Titanium section, which I wouldn't haved minded as my description of his transforming WW toy is abit crap. Have I forgotten any G1 Starscream toys there? I think there was a Legends release of the Pretender inner robot, but bah, I don't have enough to say about. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:52, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
::The Pretender Starscream section already mentions the Legends release; I expanded it to match Bumblebee's entry. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 19:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
::: The Legends release should be given its own headers, as it was a separate release in America. In theory, you should be able to scroll down through the toy list and see every toy release in bold. (Well, minus foreign releases, since we tend to treat those as variants.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
::::Okay, I added a Legends entry, but I don't think its worth the bother adding a new picture for it, since its the same as the Pretender inner bot. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 21:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

===Tech spec numbers===

Maddening! Pretender Starscream's TS numbers are clearly based on the correct ones, ie those given to Skywarp on the 1984 packaging. But AM Starscream, G2 Starscream and MW Starscream all use the ones on Starscream's 1984 packaging, ie the ones that actually belong to Thundercracker. Whyyyyy. -[[User:LV|LV]] 01:35, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
: *slap!* Don't you ''ever'' expect sense from tech specs again. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 01:52, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

==Spark==
I feel like Starscream's capsule bio shouldn't mention the indestructible spark, since there is no indication as to whether that is true in any specific continuity besides Beast Wars. It is ''maybe'' true in the G1 toon, but, also maybe he was actually just a ghost there, whatever that means. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:34, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
: I don't see why it's "maybe" true in the G1 toon. I mean, Beast Wars got the idea FROM the Starscream's ghost thing -- hell, it's a SEQUEL -- it's just that "indestructable spark" is the crazy science language for it. That's one of the most straightforward retcons in Transformers. It's definitely true in the G1 cartoon, it's definitely true in Beast Wars, and it's true in Dreamwave continuity, too, since everything was written to work with and lead up to Beast Wars. And it won't be PROVEN untrue anywhere else until a Starscream dies for good. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:36, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
::How well does it mesh with Marvel? --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 18:07, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
:::[[Image:ZombieScream1.jpg|200px]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:00, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
::::In fairness, it ''is'' pointed out that residual Underbase energy is responsible for animating him there. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:04, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::In crazy inadmissable speculation land, I would credit the residual Underbase energy for giving him a mutant indestructable spark in the first place. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:41, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Heck, everyone was pretty invincible there. Blow 'em and up and you just had to put their bodies to bring them back to life. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:42, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

==Generation 2==
There's mention of Jhiaxus controlling the Warworld, and while it's been awhile since I've read G2, wasn't the warworld in Megatron's possession at the time? I don't seem to recall Jhiaxus ever controlling it.--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 02:50, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
: Starscream dumped Megatron and his Decepticons and wooed himself over to Jhiaxus' team by providing information that would get him the Warworld. Cybertronian Empire troops stormed the War World, kicked the Combaticons' asses, and then took it over. Starscream then doublecrossed Jhiaxus' troops and injested the Matrix. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:36, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

so does starscream make a better leader then Megatron

== Captions ==

Is this vandalism? [[User:Ajrand|Ajrand]] ([[User talk:Ajrand|Signalbook]])([[Special:Contributions/Ajrand|Logbook]]) 05:06, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
*On Teletraan I, we have a more laid back attitude to picture captions. We allow jokes, so long as they're relevant and in good taste. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 05:08, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
**Ah. I haven't spent much time on this wiki; I'm more used to Wookiepedia. Much less laid back, eh? Well, thanks [[User:Ajrand|Ajrand]] ([[User talk:Ajrand|Signalbook]])([[Special:Contributions/Ajrand|Logbook]]) 05:12, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

== An Homage in Hearts of Steel ==
I was curious about Starscream's "head fins" on his Hearts redesign. So I asked Guido, via Deviantart, if they were a homage to similar fins on Waspinator's robot head. The response came.

:"These fins are more an homage to Leozak from TF Victory", he said.

So, worthy of a trivia note? And if so, what page will get it? Starscream? Hearts of Steel? Leozak? --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 02:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

== Well, that's interesting. ==

Seems Starscream's "betrayal" in Megatron: Origin was anything but.[http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=8503&dispsize=800&start=0] Between this and the little cabal turning to Starscream in Devastation I'm starting to like IDW Starscream. He keeps a lot of his G1 traits, but he's more of a serious contender than in other continuities.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 18:36, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

==Ulchtar==
Hey, wasn't this actually Denny O'Neil's name for the character? [[User:Chip|Chip]] 16:11, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

== Revoltech Development ==

I'm not sure how best to insert this info into the Toy/Merchandise section, so I'm putting it here for now, both in Hot Rod and Starscream's discussion pages.

Revoltech Yamaguchi versions of Hot Rod and Starscream are being developed for release on March 15. Since they're still in the production process, the final figures may differ from the photos shown [http://ga.sbcr.jp/mreport/008583/ here]. No other details are currently available.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 08:18, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

== Split? ==

This page is getting kind of big... perhaps splitting the toy section from the article much like what was done to Prime, Megatron, Bumblebee and Hot Rod would be something to do? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:36, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:I agree. I've been thinking about that for a while now, and Screamer's toy section appears large enough to merit one. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:43, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
::And make another section for Starscream's toys? Or SEEKER toys? Because the latter would be hilariously large and never ending! >XD -- [[User:akindofdrifter|akindofdrifter]]

== Trivia section ==

FYI, the direct link to the Robot Masters Starscream image at TFU pops up a "TFU: Protected" filler image unless you cut and paste the URL instead.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:17, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

== Cartoon screencaps ==

Hey, who uploaded all of those G1 Starscream screencaps? You didn't name them in the correct format. You're supposed to use the title of the story/episode they are from somewhere in the name so, on the off chance the description is lost (such as when it was lost in the database crash) or when the description is wrong or inadequate, we have some idea of which episode or story its from if it isn't obvious from the image. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:07, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
:Yeeah, that was me. Sorry about that.
:(and I'd do it again, too! Bwahahaha!)</small!> - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:28, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
::And you would've gotten away with it too if it wasn't for those meddling Aussies! --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:30, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
:::<nowiki>*</nowiki>shakes fist* --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:39, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

==Kiss Players image==
This is an honest question. Since we link "Dirk Dinobot" for being NSFW, why don't we do the same for the image where Screamer possesses Atari? [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 20:39, 7 June 2009 (EDT)
:Because there's no exposed genitalia. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:54, 7 June 2009 (EDT)
:: Fair enough. Just curious. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 21:11, 7 June 2009 (EDT)

== Star Wars Reference ==

I wondered if this might be worth mentioning in the notes section:

There were a series of Star Wars books by John Whitman released in the late nineties for older children, which centered around an Imperial conspiracy to create an army of evil, ''immortal'' soldiers.

It was of course called, "Project Starscream".

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Project_Starscream

== It has been suggested this article should be split into Starscream (G1) and Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity. ==

Go ahead and split the page. I would like to see anyone try to split the page.([[User:Dr L|Dr L]] 18:37, 9 October 2009 (EDT))
:Okay. Done.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:51, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
::Why is the cartoon section indicator SO BLOODY SMALL? I can guarantee that people will scroll past that while looking for familiar cartoon images to capture there eye, and wonder why don't we cover his cartoon appearances. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:04, 11 October 2009 (EDT)
::Yeah, there should be a brief bio & picture there, like on the OpPrime page. Also, an opening blurb & mainpic on the /G1cc page. - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 08:13, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

== Mystery Solved? ==

So we have an origin/explanation for Starscream's ghost at last:
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/293677-e-hobby-mp-ghost-starscream-bio.html

How retroactive do we consider this?
: That's not an explanation for Starscream's ghost. When in previous fiction did a giant-sized Starscream ghost made of every single G1 Starscream ever terrorize a human city? This is an entirely new story involving another Starscream ghost. On top of that, we've had an explanation for Starscream's ghost for nearly 15 years now, in that he [[Bad Spark|has an immortal spark]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:22, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::Blugh, edit conflict. Yes, what Walky said. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 09:25, 27 February 2010 (EST)

::I disagree. "Mutant spark" was a description not really an explanation. But that aside read the story again. The giant Starscream is new to this story, yes, but it also says that a direct result of the method of their exit from limbo all the multiversal Starscream's that make it up have individually become "ghosts", and name themselves such, because they left part of their sparks in forever limbo. Whether we feel it needs it or not, it certainly reads to me like Japan trying to explain the origin/nature "ghost" bit to me.
:::But there was never a post-Underbase ghost Starscream, or any other incarnation of the G1 character ''other than'' the mutant-sparked G1 cartoon version. Energon Starscream got a ghost, but he was an entirely different character from a different continuity family and doesn't count. So while this element is canon, it is contradictory (and terrible) canon that can be noted without being integrated in a troublesome way. Reminds me of "[[Prime Spark (story)|Prime Spark]]", but worse. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 11:22, 27 February 2010 (EST)

== Age of Wrath? ==

How come it's not on here? {{unsigned|Mojotron}}
:Oversight? Please feel free to add it! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:44, 31 December 2011 (EST)

== Unicron symbol? ==

Maybe I'm blind, but I can't find on the page anything that would merit Starscream having the Unicron/Blentron brand up next to his Decepticon and Predacon ones. [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] 15:09, 29 October 2013 (EDT)
==It's likely in reference to the fact that in season 3 he acted as a pawn to Unicron, stealing Trypticon and Metroplex's eyes for Unicron's disembodied head.--[[User:Altercron|Altercron]] 15:23, 29 October 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Dark Cybertron (IDW)

2013-10-24T21:11:38Z

Altercron:

Can somebody who knows all the details please get this page underway? We're well overdue to have something about it. I'd do it myself, but, well, I don't really know any of the details. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 13:08, 23 October 2013 (EDT)
:I'm fairly busy with university work at the minute, but there's a roughed out nav template for Dark Cybertron on my user page if anyone wants to use it. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 13:59, 23 October 2013 (EDT)
::Slapped some stuff together. I feel like this could maybe go into the sidebar for the next couple of months in place of MTMTE and RID. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:37, 24 October 2013 (EDT)
:::Well we still have one more issue of Robots in Disguise coming out before Dark Cybertron kicks off.--[[User:Altercron|Altercron]] 17:10, 24 October 2013 (EDT)
::::EDIT: Never mind, I got sides mixed up in my head for a minute.--[[User:Altercron|Altercron]] 17:11, 24 October 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Dark Cybertron (IDW)

2013-10-24T21:10:26Z

Altercron:

Destiny, Part Five

2013-10-24T02:09:29Z

Altercron: /* Quotes */

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|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[October 23]], [[2013]]
|coverdate=October 2013
|writer=[[Simon Furman]]
|penciler=[[Guido Guidi]]
|inker=[[Stephen Baskerville]]
|colorist=[[John-Paul Bove]]
|letterer=[[Shawn Lee]]
|editor=[[John Barber]]
|continuity=[[Marvel Comics continuity]]
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'''As battle rages on Cybertron's surface, the Wreckers infiltrate the Warworld, but when their confrontation with Bludgeon goes wrong, help arrives in a most unexpected form!'''

==Synopsis==

[[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] is a battlefield: [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] and [[Monstructor (G1)|Monstructor]] grapple, [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] engage in a sonic duel, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] leads the charge against the army of [[Blitz Engine]]s, and the airborne [[Autobot]]s unleash their combined firepower against the [[Warworld]]. [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] permits the [[Decepticon]]s to join the fighting themselves, but surprises them by electing to remain on the Warworld, secretly aware that the [[Wrecker]]s have managed to land a ship on the giant craft's surface and have penetrated its hull.

In the [[Primus]] chamber, deep within Cybertron, [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] awakens, free of possession by Primus and needing to be brought up to date by his [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]]. As they attempt to talk, the [[demon]]s come spilling into the chamber, and a furious Grimlock, his eyes glowing with the power of Primus, transforms to dinosaur mode. The roar he unleashes takes the fight right out of the creatures and sends them into genuflections. The Dinobots proceed to head back to the surface, and the demons loyally follow their new master, prompting [[Slag (G1)|Slag]] to recall [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Hot Rod]]'s plan to reintegrate the Cybertronian race, and Grimlock to speculate that this is all part of some grand plan...

Aboard the Warworld, Bludgeon launches a sudden, vicious solo attack on the Wreckers, affecting their perceptions with his [[Metallikato]] mind-tricks and walking all over them. [[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]] urges [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] to escape and locate their primary target—the reservoir of [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] energy animating the Blitz Engines—but Bludgeon pursues the elderly Autobot as he makes for the craft's bridge on a rail-transport car.

Down on the planet's surface, the Decepticons join the fight, pushing the Autobots back even further. [[Crosshairs (G1)|Crosshairs]] is not optimistic for the conflict's outcome, but Ultra Magnus holds out hope for a miracle, even as the bridge his team is standing on is blown out from under them. But he is not wrong to hope: that miracle soon arrives in the form of the Dinobots, who, along with the loyal demons, tear into the Decepticons and their weapons or war. The tide of battle is turning, as Blaster claims victory over Soundwave, circumventing his opponent's senses-distorting sonic trickery by simply bombarding him with face-rocking tunes.

On the Warworld's bridge, Bludgeon stands over a fallen Kup, preparing to deliver a killing stroke with his sword, when suddenly, in a flash of light, Hot Rod returns from his trip through [[Zero Space]], now transformed by the power of the Matrix into Rodimus Prime! Stunned by Rodimus's ability to snatch his sword out of the air, Bludgeon realizes that Rodimus is the opponent who is fated to destroy him, and demands that he grant him his destined death. Rodimus is only too happy to oblige, seizing the skeletal samurai's leg and hurling him through the Warworld's "windshield". Sent hurtling down to Cybertron's surface, Bludgeon burns up as enters the planet's atmosphere, and dramatically explodes on impact. Just when Rodimus and Kup think they have a moment's respite, however, the Warworld begins to quake: [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]], urged on by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], has had an attack of conscience, and has returned with the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] to bring the legendary vessel's firepower to bear on Bludgeon's ship! As the Warworld comes apart around them, the Wreckers race to abandon ship.

Down below, the fight has definitively tipped in the Autobots' favor: with the Warworld crumbling, the flow of Matrix energy being projected to the Blitz Engines ceases, and the drones begin staying down under the Dinobots' and demons' assault. Magnus leads one last mighty push back against the Decepticons, and Omega Supreme triumphs over Monstructor, blasting him to bits. The Warworld explodes, filling the sky with fire, but as the onlooking Autobots cheer, aboard the Wreckers' craft—safely making its way back to the planet's surface—Rodimus Prime is not yet ready to celebrate. The visions shown to him by Primus in Zero Space still haunt his memory... as within Cybertron, the face of the Transformers' creator-god begins to glow...

==Featured characters==
(Characters in ''italic text'' appear only in flashbacks or visions.) 
{{featuredcharacters
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{{{!}}border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="background:transparent"
{{!}}-
{{!}}style="background:transparent; border-right: 0px" valign="top"{{!}}
*[[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] (1)
*[[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] (4)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] (5)
*[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] (6)
*[[Blades (G1)|Blades]] (7)
*[[Doubleheader]] (8)
*[[Skyhammer (G1)|Skyhammer]] (9)
*[[Cloudraker (G1)|Cloudraker]] (10)
*[[Dogfight]] (11)
*[[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)|Skydive]] (12)
*[[Slingshot (G1)|Slingshot]] (13)
*[[Air Raid (G1)|Air Raid]] (14)
*[[Fireflight (G1)|Fireflight]] (15)
*[[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]] (16)
*[[Crossblades (G1)|Crossblades]] (17)
*[[Kup (G1)|Kup]] (27)
{{!}}style="background:transparent; border-right: 0px" valign="top"{{!}}
*[[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]] (28)
*[[Topspin (G1)|Topspin]] (29)
*[[Rack'n'Ruin|Rack 'n' Ruin]] (30)
*[[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]] (31)
*[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] (32)
*[[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] (33)
*[[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] (34)
*[[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] (35)
*[[Slag (G1)|Slag]] (36)
*[[Rollbar (G1)|Rollbar]] (41)
*[[Groove (G1)|Groove]] (42)
*[[Guzzle (G1)|Guzzle]] (43)
*red and blue generic? (44)
*[[Jackpot (G1)|Jackpot]] (45)
*[[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] (47)
*[[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] (49)
{{!}}style="background:transparent; border-right: 0px" valign="top"{{!}}
*[[Crosshairs (G1)|Crosshairs]] (50)
*[[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (51)
*[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] (52)
*green generic? (53)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Rodimus Prime]] (54)
*[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (55)
*[[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] (56)

{{!}}}
|c2=
*[[Monstructor (G1)|Monstructor]] (2)
*[[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]] (3)
*[[Weirdwolf]] (18)
*[[Fangry]] (19)
*[[Stranglehold]] (20)
*[[Krok (G1)|Krok]] (21)
*[[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] (22)
*[[Octopunch (G1)|Octopunch]] (23)
*[[Skullcruncher]] (24)
*[[Horri-Bull]] (25)
*[[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] (26)
*[[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]] (39)
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] (40)
*[[Cindersaur (G1)|Cindersaur]] (46)
*[[Needlenose]] (48)
*''[[Galvatron II|Galvatron]]'' (59)
|c3=
*''[[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]]'' (58)
|h4=Others|c4=
*[[Demon]]s (37)
*[[Primus]] (38)
*''[[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]]'' (57)
}}

==Quotes==
"Why are we even still here?" 
"For the simple reason, Starscream, you have yet to specify a new flight plan."
:—'''Starscream''' being clueless and '''Shockwave''' being logical. Some things never change.

"Maybe you're right Soundwave. Compared to you, I ''am'' just a blunt instrument. But my philosophy... 
'''KERAAANNNNG!!!''' 
"...is play to your strengths!"
:—'''Blaster''' turns the volume ''up'' and wins the final round of Guitar Hero from '''Soundwave'''

"Final computation: I have taken your measure, gestalt...and found it wanting!"
:—'''Omega Supreme''', delivering the killing blast through '''Monstructor''''s midsection

"Autobots--one last charge! Those...creatures are fighting and dying for Cybertron! Can ''we'' do less?"
:—'''Ultra Magnus''', maybe there was something to '''Hot Rod''''s Plan to bring the '''Demons''' to the surface after all

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
*Snarl's popped back up after being oddly absent from [[Destiny, Part Four|issue #94]]; guess he was just off-panel for the whole thing!
*We saw Bludgeon's vision of his own death in [[Destiny, Part Three|issue #93]]. That seemed to imply he had died on the battlefield, but that's not quite how things unfold here.
*Blaster, in defeating Soundwave, notes that "The flip-side to hyper-senses [is] hyper-pain". This was, of course, the nucleon-derived affliction Blaster himself suffered from during his time in the [[Nursery]], as seen in [[Natural Selection, Part One|#86]].

===Transformers references===
*Let's be straight-up, here: Blaster and Soundwave never had any kind of rivalry in the Marvel comics. Their grudge match here, along with Omega's throwdown with Monstructor, feels a lot more like Simon Furman tying off stories he started over in the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]]—specifically, in ''[[Spotlight: Blaster]]'' and ''[[Spotlight: Optimus Prime]]'', respectively—that he never got to bring to a conclusion before his time on those books ended. [[File:Rodimusprimerequestdenied.jpg|right|thumb|275px]]
*The more detailed rendering we get of the partially-reconstructed Thunderwing lets us see his inner robot within his [[Pretender]] shell, something that never appeared in the Marvel US comics (but did put in a brief appearance in the UK series).
*On page 12, Monstructor clobbers Omega with a statue of [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]].
*"Well, that's just prime!" quips Rodimus on page 18, stealing the catchphrase of [[Optimus Primal]].
* When Bludgeon demands death, Rodimus responds with a grim "Request granted." This echoes back to one of his more famous scenes in the Marvel UK series (pictured), from [[Wanted: Galvatron — Dead or Alive!|issue #114]], when he slew a Decepticon begging for mercy with a roar of "Request denied!"
*Grimlock instructs the demons to "munch metal", one of his more famous quotes from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''.
*Magnus squeezes two [[Furmanism]]s into one speech balloon as he declares the demons are "[[Furmanism#FIGHT AND DIE|fighting and dying]] for Cybertron! [[Furmanism#CAN I DO LESS?|Can '''we''' do less?]]"
{{--}}

===Real world-references===
*Grimlock quips that he "never look gift dinohippus in mouth". The ''[[Wikipedia:Dinohippus|Dinohippus]]'' was a kind of prehistoric horse; see, 'cause he's, like, a ''dinosaur'', so he talks about prehistoric equivalent of [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/don%27t_look_a_gift_horse_in_the_mouth looking a gift horse in the mouth].
*When Blaster unleashes the sonic blast that fells Soundwave, he strikes an [[Wikipedia:Air guitar|air guitar]] pose. The sound effect that accompanies this, "Keraaaannng!", is of course an onomatopoeic rendering of an electronic guitar power chord, but is also likely a reference to UK rock music magazine ''[[Wikipedia:Kerrang!|Kerrang!]]''.

===Covers (3)===
*'''Cover A:''' Rodimus versus Bludgeon, by [[Andrew Wildman]] and [[Jason Cardy]].
*'''Cover B:''' Blaster versus (purple!) Soundwave, by [[Guido Guidi]].
*'''Cover RI:''' Grimlock and the demons versus a Blitz Engine, by [[Geoff Senior]] and [[Josh Burcham]].
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{{DEFAULTSORT:Destiny, Part Five}}

Destiny, Part Five

2013-10-24T02:09:14Z

Altercron: /* Quotes */

{{Comicstory|
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|prev=Less Than Zero
|next=
|title="Destiny" Part Five
|image=RG1 95 cvrA.jpg
|caption=
|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[October 23]], [[2013]]
|coverdate=October 2013
|writer=[[Simon Furman]]
|penciler=[[Guido Guidi]]
|inker=[[Stephen Baskerville]]
|colorist=[[John-Paul Bove]]
|letterer=[[Shawn Lee]]
|editor=[[John Barber]]
|continuity=[[Marvel Comics continuity]]
}}

'''As battle rages on Cybertron's surface, the Wreckers infiltrate the Warworld, but when their confrontation with Bludgeon goes wrong, help arrives in a most unexpected form!'''

==Synopsis==

[[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] is a battlefield: [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] and [[Monstructor (G1)|Monstructor]] grapple, [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] engage in a sonic duel, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] leads the charge against the army of [[Blitz Engine]]s, and the airborne [[Autobot]]s unleash their combined firepower against the [[Warworld]]. [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] permits the [[Decepticon]]s to join the fighting themselves, but surprises them by electing to remain on the Warworld, secretly aware that the [[Wrecker]]s have managed to land a ship on the giant craft's surface and have penetrated its hull.

In the [[Primus]] chamber, deep within Cybertron, [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] awakens, free of possession by Primus and needing to be brought up to date by his [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]]. As they attempt to talk, the [[demon]]s come spilling into the chamber, and a furious Grimlock, his eyes glowing with the power of Primus, transforms to dinosaur mode. The roar he unleashes takes the fight right out of the creatures and sends them into genuflections. The Dinobots proceed to head back to the surface, and the demons loyally follow their new master, prompting [[Slag (G1)|Slag]] to recall [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Hot Rod]]'s plan to reintegrate the Cybertronian race, and Grimlock to speculate that this is all part of some grand plan...

Aboard the Warworld, Bludgeon launches a sudden, vicious solo attack on the Wreckers, affecting their perceptions with his [[Metallikato]] mind-tricks and walking all over them. [[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]] urges [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] to escape and locate their primary target—the reservoir of [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] energy animating the Blitz Engines—but Bludgeon pursues the elderly Autobot as he makes for the craft's bridge on a rail-transport car.

Down on the planet's surface, the Decepticons join the fight, pushing the Autobots back even further. [[Crosshairs (G1)|Crosshairs]] is not optimistic for the conflict's outcome, but Ultra Magnus holds out hope for a miracle, even as the bridge his team is standing on is blown out from under them. But he is not wrong to hope: that miracle soon arrives in the form of the Dinobots, who, along with the loyal demons, tear into the Decepticons and their weapons or war. The tide of battle is turning, as Blaster claims victory over Soundwave, circumventing his opponent's senses-distorting sonic trickery by simply bombarding him with face-rocking tunes.

On the Warworld's bridge, Bludgeon stands over a fallen Kup, preparing to deliver a killing stroke with his sword, when suddenly, in a flash of light, Hot Rod returns from his trip through [[Zero Space]], now transformed by the power of the Matrix into Rodimus Prime! Stunned by Rodimus's ability to snatch his sword out of the air, Bludgeon realizes that Rodimus is the opponent who is fated to destroy him, and demands that he grant him his destined death. Rodimus is only too happy to oblige, seizing the skeletal samurai's leg and hurling him through the Warworld's "windshield". Sent hurtling down to Cybertron's surface, Bludgeon burns up as enters the planet's atmosphere, and dramatically explodes on impact. Just when Rodimus and Kup think they have a moment's respite, however, the Warworld begins to quake: [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]], urged on by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], has had an attack of conscience, and has returned with the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] to bring the legendary vessel's firepower to bear on Bludgeon's ship! As the Warworld comes apart around them, the Wreckers race to abandon ship.

Down below, the fight has definitively tipped in the Autobots' favor: with the Warworld crumbling, the flow of Matrix energy being projected to the Blitz Engines ceases, and the drones begin staying down under the Dinobots' and demons' assault. Magnus leads one last mighty push back against the Decepticons, and Omega Supreme triumphs over Monstructor, blasting him to bits. The Warworld explodes, filling the sky with fire, but as the onlooking Autobots cheer, aboard the Wreckers' craft—safely making its way back to the planet's surface—Rodimus Prime is not yet ready to celebrate. The visions shown to him by Primus in Zero Space still haunt his memory... as within Cybertron, the face of the Transformers' creator-god begins to glow...

==Featured characters==
(Characters in ''italic text'' appear only in flashbacks or visions.) 
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
{{{!}}border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="background:transparent"
{{!}}-
{{!}}style="background:transparent; border-right: 0px" valign="top"{{!}}
*[[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] (1)
*[[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] (4)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] (5)
*[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] (6)
*[[Blades (G1)|Blades]] (7)
*[[Doubleheader]] (8)
*[[Skyhammer (G1)|Skyhammer]] (9)
*[[Cloudraker (G1)|Cloudraker]] (10)
*[[Dogfight]] (11)
*[[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)|Skydive]] (12)
*[[Slingshot (G1)|Slingshot]] (13)
*[[Air Raid (G1)|Air Raid]] (14)
*[[Fireflight (G1)|Fireflight]] (15)
*[[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]] (16)
*[[Crossblades (G1)|Crossblades]] (17)
*[[Kup (G1)|Kup]] (27)
{{!}}style="background:transparent; border-right: 0px" valign="top"{{!}}
*[[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]] (28)
*[[Topspin (G1)|Topspin]] (29)
*[[Rack'n'Ruin|Rack 'n' Ruin]] (30)
*[[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]] (31)
*[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] (32)
*[[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] (33)
*[[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] (34)
*[[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] (35)
*[[Slag (G1)|Slag]] (36)
*[[Rollbar (G1)|Rollbar]] (41)
*[[Groove (G1)|Groove]] (42)
*[[Guzzle (G1)|Guzzle]] (43)
*red and blue generic? (44)
*[[Jackpot (G1)|Jackpot]] (45)
*[[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] (47)
*[[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] (49)
{{!}}style="background:transparent; border-right: 0px" valign="top"{{!}}
*[[Crosshairs (G1)|Crosshairs]] (50)
*[[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (51)
*[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] (52)
*green generic? (53)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Rodimus Prime]] (54)
*[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (55)
*[[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] (56)

{{!}}}
|c2=
*[[Monstructor (G1)|Monstructor]] (2)
*[[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]] (3)
*[[Weirdwolf]] (18)
*[[Fangry]] (19)
*[[Stranglehold]] (20)
*[[Krok (G1)|Krok]] (21)
*[[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] (22)
*[[Octopunch (G1)|Octopunch]] (23)
*[[Skullcruncher]] (24)
*[[Horri-Bull]] (25)
*[[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] (26)
*[[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]] (39)
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] (40)
*[[Cindersaur (G1)|Cindersaur]] (46)
*[[Needlenose]] (48)
*''[[Galvatron II|Galvatron]]'' (59)
|c3=
*''[[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]]'' (58)
|h4=Others|c4=
*[[Demon]]s (37)
*[[Primus]] (38)
*''[[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]]'' (57)
}}

==Quotes==
"Why are we even still here?" 
"For the simple reason, Starscream, you have yet to specify a new flight plan."
:—'''Starscream''' being clueless and '''Shockwave''' being logical. Some things never change.

"Maybe you're right Soundwave. Compared to you, I ''am'' just a blunt instrument. But my philosophy... 
'''KERAAANNNNG!!!''' 
"...is play to your strengths!"
:—'''Blaster''' turns the volume ''up'' and wins the final round of Guitar Hero from '''Soundwave'''

"Final computation: I have taken your measure, gestalt...and found it wanting!"
:—'''Omega Supreme''', delivering the killing blast through '''Monstructor''''s midsection

"Autobots--one last charge! Those...creatures are fighting and dying for Cybertron! Can ''we'' do less?"
:—'''Ultra Magnus''',Maybe there was something to '''Hot Rod''''s Plan to bring the '''Demons''' to the surface after all

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
*Snarl's popped back up after being oddly absent from [[Destiny, Part Four|issue #94]]; guess he was just off-panel for the whole thing!
*We saw Bludgeon's vision of his own death in [[Destiny, Part Three|issue #93]]. That seemed to imply he had died on the battlefield, but that's not quite how things unfold here.
*Blaster, in defeating Soundwave, notes that "The flip-side to hyper-senses [is] hyper-pain". This was, of course, the nucleon-derived affliction Blaster himself suffered from during his time in the [[Nursery]], as seen in [[Natural Selection, Part One|#86]].

===Transformers references===
*Let's be straight-up, here: Blaster and Soundwave never had any kind of rivalry in the Marvel comics. Their grudge match here, along with Omega's throwdown with Monstructor, feels a lot more like Simon Furman tying off stories he started over in the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]]—specifically, in ''[[Spotlight: Blaster]]'' and ''[[Spotlight: Optimus Prime]]'', respectively—that he never got to bring to a conclusion before his time on those books ended. [[File:Rodimusprimerequestdenied.jpg|right|thumb|275px]]
*The more detailed rendering we get of the partially-reconstructed Thunderwing lets us see his inner robot within his [[Pretender]] shell, something that never appeared in the Marvel US comics (but did put in a brief appearance in the UK series).
*On page 12, Monstructor clobbers Omega with a statue of [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]].
*"Well, that's just prime!" quips Rodimus on page 18, stealing the catchphrase of [[Optimus Primal]].
* When Bludgeon demands death, Rodimus responds with a grim "Request granted." This echoes back to one of his more famous scenes in the Marvel UK series (pictured), from [[Wanted: Galvatron — Dead or Alive!|issue #114]], when he slew a Decepticon begging for mercy with a roar of "Request denied!"
*Grimlock instructs the demons to "munch metal", one of his more famous quotes from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''.
*Magnus squeezes two [[Furmanism]]s into one speech balloon as he declares the demons are "[[Furmanism#FIGHT AND DIE|fighting and dying]] for Cybertron! [[Furmanism#CAN I DO LESS?|Can '''we''' do less?]]"
{{--}}

===Real world-references===
*Grimlock quips that he "never look gift dinohippus in mouth". The ''[[Wikipedia:Dinohippus|Dinohippus]]'' was a kind of prehistoric horse; see, 'cause he's, like, a ''dinosaur'', so he talks about prehistoric equivalent of [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/don%27t_look_a_gift_horse_in_the_mouth looking a gift horse in the mouth].
*When Blaster unleashes the sonic blast that fells Soundwave, he strikes an [[Wikipedia:Air guitar|air guitar]] pose. The sound effect that accompanies this, "Keraaaannng!", is of course an onomatopoeic rendering of an electronic guitar power chord, but is also likely a reference to UK rock music magazine ''[[Wikipedia:Kerrang!|Kerrang!]]''.

===Covers (3)===
*'''Cover A:''' Rodimus versus Bludgeon, by [[Andrew Wildman]] and [[Jason Cardy]].
*'''Cover B:''' Blaster versus (purple!) Soundwave, by [[Guido Guidi]].
*'''Cover RI:''' Grimlock and the demons versus a Blitz Engine, by [[Geoff Senior]] and [[Josh Burcham]].
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{{DEFAULTSORT:Destiny, Part Five}}

Destiny, Part Five

2013-10-23T17:36:33Z

Altercron: /* Transformers references */

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'''As battle rages on Cybertron's surface, the Wreckers infiltrate the Warworld, but when their confrontation with Bludgeon goes wrong, help arrives in a most unexpected form!'''

==Synopsis==

[[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] is a battlefield: [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] and [[Monstructor (G1)|Monstructor]] grapple, [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] engage in a sonic duel, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] leads the charge against the army of [[Blitz Engine]]s, and the airborne [[Autobot]]s unleash their combined firepower against the [[Warworld]]. [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] permits the [[Decepticon]]s to join the fighting themselves, but surprises them by electing to remain on the Warworld, secretly aware that the [[Wrecker]]s have managed to land a ship on the giant craft's surface and have penetrated its hull.

In the [[Primus]] chamber, deep within Cybertron, [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] awakens, free of possession by Primus and needing to be brought up to date by his [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]]. As they attempt to talk, the [[demon]]s come spilling into the chamber, and a furious Grimlock, his eyes glowing with the power of Primus, transforms to dinosaur mode. The roar he unleashes takes the fight right out of the creatures and sends them into genuflections. The Dinobots proceed to head back to the surface, and the demons loyally follow their new master, prompting [[Slag (G1)|Slag]] to recall [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Hot Rod]]'s plan to reintegrate the Cybertronian race, and Grimlock to speculate that this is all part of some grand plan...

Aboard the Warworld, Bludgeon launches a sudden, vicious solo attack on the Wreckers, affecting their perceptions with his [[Metallikato]] mind-tricks and walking all over them. [[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]] urges [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] to escape and locate their primary target—the reservoir of [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] energy animating the Blitz Engines—but Bludgeon pursues the elderly Autobot as he makes for the craft's bridge on a rail-transport car.

Down on the planet's surface, the Decepticons join the fight, pushing the Autobots back even further. [[Crosshairs (G1)|Crosshairs]] is not optimistic for the conflict's outcome, but Ultra Magnus holds out hope for a miracle, even as the bridge his team is standing on is blown out from under them. But he is not wrong to hope: that miracle soon arrives in the form of the Dinobots, who, along with the loyal demons, tear into the Decepticons and their weapons or war. The tide of battle is turning, as Blaster claims victory over Soundwave, circumventing his opponent's senses-distorting sonic trickery by simply bombarding him with face-rocking tunes.

On the Warworld's bridge, Bludgeon stands over a fallen Kup, preparing to deliver a killing stroke with his sword, when suddenly, in a flash of light, Hot Rod returns from his trip through [[Zero Space]], now transformed by the power of the Matrix into Rodimus Prime! Stunned by Rodimus's ability to snatch his sword out of the air, Bludgeon realizes that Rodimus is the opponent who is fated to destroy him, and demands that he grant him his destined death. Rodimus is only too happy to oblige, seizing the skeletal samurai's leg and hurling him through the Warworld's "windshield". Sent hurtling down to Cybertron's surface, Bludgeon burns up as enters the planet's atmosphere, and dramatically explodes on impact. Just when Rodimus and Kup think they have a moment's respite, however, the Warworld begins to quake: [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]], urged on by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], has had an attack of conscience, and has returned with the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] to bring the legendary vessel's firepower to bear on Bludgeon's ship! As the Warworld comes apart around them, the Wreckers race to abandon ship.

Down below, the fight has definitively tipped in the Autobots' favor: with the Warworld crumbling, the flow of Matrix energy being projected to the Blitz Engines ceases, and the drones begin staying down under the Dinobots' and demons' assault. Magnus leads one last mighty push back against the Decepticons, and Omega Supreme triumphs over Monstructor, blasting him to bits. The Warworld explodes, filling the sky with fire, but as the onlooking Autobots cheer, aboard the Wreckers' craft—safely making its way back to the planet's surface—Rodimus Prime is not yet ready to celebrate. The visions shown to him by Primus in Zero Space still haunt his memory... as within Cybertron, the face of the Transformers' creator-god begins to glow...

==Featured characters==
(Characters in ''italic text'' appear only in flashbacks or visions.) 
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*[[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] (1)
*[[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] (4)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] (5)
*[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] (6)
*[[Blades (G1)|Blades]] (7)
*[[Doubleheader]] (8)
*[[Skyhammer (G1)|Skyhammer]] (9)
*[[Cloudraker (G1)|Cloudraker]] (10)
*[[Dogfight]] (11)
*[[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)|Skydive]] (12)
*[[Slingshot (G1)|Slingshot]] (13)
*[[Air Raid (G1)|Air Raid]] (14)
*[[Fireflight (G1)|Fireflight]] (15)
*[[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]] (16)
*[[Crossblades (G1)|Crossblades]] (17)
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*[[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]] (28)
*[[Topspin (G1)|Topspin]] (29)
*[[Rack'n'Ruin|Rack 'n' Ruin]] (30)
*[[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]] (31)
*[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] (32)
*[[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] (33)
*[[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] (34)
*[[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] (35)
*[[Slag (G1)|Slag]] (36)
*[[Rollbar (G1)|Rollbar]] (41)
*[[Groove (G1)|Groove]] (42)
*[[Guzzle (G1)|Guzzle]] (43)
*red and blue generic? (44)
*[[Jackpot (G1)|Jackpot]] (45)
*[[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] (47)
*[[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] (49)
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*[[Crosshairs (G1)|Crosshairs]] (50)
*[[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (51)
*[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] (52)
*green generic? (53)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Rodimus Prime]] (54)
*[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (55)
*[[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] (56)

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*[[Monstructor (G1)|Monstructor]] (2)
*[[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]] (3)
*[[Weirdwolf]] (18)
*[[Fangry]] (19)
*[[Stranglehold]] (20)
*[[Krok (G1)|Krok]] (21)
*[[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] (22)
*[[Octopunch (G1)|Octopunch]] (23)
*[[Skullcruncher]] (24)
*[[Horri-Bull]] (25)
*[[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] (26)
*[[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]] (39)
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] (40)
*[[Cindersaur (G1)|Cindersaur]] (46)
*[[Needlenose]] (48)
*''[[Galvatron II|Galvatron]]'' (59)
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*''[[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]]'' (58)
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*[[Demon]]s (37)
*[[Primus]] (38)
*''[[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]]'' (57)
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==Quotes==

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
*Snarl's popped back up after being oddly absent from [[Destiny, Part Four|issue #94]]; guess he was just off-panel for the whole thing!
*We saw Bludgeon's vision of his own death in [[Destiny, Part Three|issue #93]]. That seemed to imply he had died on the battlefield, but that's not quite how things unfold here.

===Transformers references===
*Let's be straight-up, here: Blaster and Soundwave never had any kind of rivalry in the Marvel comics. Their grudge match here, along with Omega's throwdown with Monstructor, feels a lot more like Simon Furman tying off stories he started over in the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]]—specifically, in ''[[Spotlight: Blaster]]'' and ''[[Spotlight: Optimus Prime]]'', respectively—that he never got to bring to a conclusion before his time on those books ended. [[File:Rodimusprimerequestdenied.jpg|right|thumb|275px]]
*The more detailed rendering we get of the partially-reconstructed Thunderwing lets us see his inner robot within his [[Pretender]] shell, something that never appeared in the Marvel US comics (but did put in a brief appearance in the UK series).
*On page 12, Monstructor clobbers Omega with a statue of [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]].
*"Well, that's just prime!" quips Rodimus on page 18, stealing the catchphrase of [[Optimus Primal]].
* When Bludgeon demands death, Rodimus responds with a grim "Request granted." This echoes back to one of his more famous scenes in the Marvel UK series (pictured), from [[Wanted: Galvatron — Dead or Alive!|issue #114]], when he slew a Decepticon begging for mercy with a roar of "Request denied!"
*Grimlock instructs the demons to "munch metal", one of his more famous quotes from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''.
*Magnus squeezes two [[Furmanism]]s into one speech balloon as he declares the demons are "[[Furmanism#FIGHT AND DIE|fighting and dying]] for Cybertron! [[Furmanism#CAN I DO LESS?|Can '''we''' do less?]]"
{{--}}

===Real world-references===
*Grimlock quips that he "never look gift dinohippus in mouth". The ''[[Wikipedia:Dinohippus|Dinohippus]]'' was a kind of prehistoric horse; see, 'cause he's, like, a ''dinosaur'', so he talks about prehistoric equivalent of [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/don%27t_look_a_gift_horse_in_the_mouth looking a gift horse in the mouth].
*When Blaster unleashes the sonic blast that fells Soundwave, he strikes an [[Wikipedia:Air guitar|air guitar]] pose. The sound effect that accompanies this, "Keraaaannng!", is of course an onomatopoeic rendering of an electronic guitar power chord, but is also likely a reference to UK rock music magazine ''[[Wikipedia:Kerrang!|Kerrang!]]''.

===Covers (3)===
*'''Cover A:''' Rodimus versus Bludgeon, by [[Andrew Wildman]] and [[Jason Cardy]].
*'''Cover B:''' Blaster versus (purple!) Soundwave, by [[Guido Guidi]].
*'''Cover RI:''' Grimlock and the demons versus a Blitz Engine, by [[Geoff Senior]] and [[Josh Burcham]].
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{{DEFAULTSORT:Destiny, Part Five}}

Ratbat (G1)

2013-10-22T15:51:33Z

Altercron: /* Regeneration One */

{{disambig3|Ratbat}}
{{factions|decepticon|ultracon|senator}}
:''Ratbat is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]]. He is usually a [[Decepticon Mini-Cassette|Mini-Cassette]]. Sometimes his robot mode is humanoid.''

[[File:TFLegendsApp-Ratbat.jpg|300px|thumb|Listen to them—children of the night. What spreadsheets they make.]]
Cold-blooded and obsessed with efficiency, '''Ratbat''''s primary concern is looking out for himself. He treats his responsibilities, whether as a fuel auditor or as leader of Decepticons, as a business. In his book, everything comes down to profit and loss.

In his role as fuel scout, Ratbat carries sensors that allow him to detect and evaluate the quality of fuels of various types, from primitive hydrocarbons to [[Energon]]. He can process any number of these different fuels to power himself.

Although obsessed with efficiency, like any good CEO, Ratbat allows himself a small indulgence: He enjoys sinking his fangs into the fuel tanks of Terran automobiles, the more expensive the better. He enjoys nothing more than savoring high-test gasoline siphoned from a hapless yuppie's Mercedes or BMW.

Ratbat is also the best [[Decepticon leader]] ever. True, that's what [[Megatron (G1)|every]] [[Starscream (G1)|other]] [[Shockwave (G1)|leader]] says, but he's got the victories to back it up.

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====Madman ''The Transformers'' comic====
[[File:Madman comic HotRod runsover tapes.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Dracula vs. King of the Roadkill.]]
In the year [[2001]], Ratbat was one of several tapes that accompanied [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]] when they were spying on the construction of [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]]. Soundwave had managed to record a meeting between [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] where the two Autobots leaders discussed hiding the [[Matrix of Leadership]] in a bunker at the building site. Ratbat was deployed along with [[Overkill (G1)|Overkill]], [[Slugfest (G1)|Slugfest]], [[Beastbox (G1)|Beastbox]] and [[Squawktalk (G1)|Squawktalk]] to oversee the retrieval of the powerful Autobot artifact. As Ratbat happily reported the minimal usage of fuel in the successful operation, the Autobot [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] rammed [[Squawkbox]] and Slugfest, scaring the crap out of the bat. {{storylink|The Transformers (Madman)|The Transformers}}
{{-}}

====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Frank Welker]] (English), [[Ken Shiroyama]] (Japanese)}}

[[File:RatbatTV.jpg|150px|thumb|Squeak! Squeak I tell you! Squeak!]]
Ratbat was among several cassettes deployed by [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]] during the [[Battle of Autobot City]] in an effort to stop [[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blaster]] from broadcasting a distress signal to [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]]. After successfully destroying the transmitter, the cassettes broke into the glass dome of the communications tower and attacked [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] until Blaster deployed his own cassette squad. Ratbat was then attacked by [[Ramhorn (G1)|Ramhorn]]. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}

While the Decepticons were searching space for [[isidrite]] to repair their weaponry, Soundwave ejected Ratbat to hunt for the mineral in an asteroid field. Although the scout was successful in his mission, the isidrite deposit he discovered was already being mined by the Autobots, leading to the inevitable conflict. {{storylink|Webworld}}

[[File:CallofthePrimitives Ratbat TornedronTiger.jpg|left|150px|thumb|The paw that refreshes.]]
When [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] hired the [[Skuxxoid]] and [[Slizardo]] to attack the Autobots with [[anti-electron]]s, the spying Ratbat recorded their failure and raced back to [[Chaar]] to inform Galvatron, replaying his footage of the Autobots' recovery for the two would-be saboteurs to see. {{storylink|Grimlock's New Brain}}

During a battle on [[Earth]]'s [[Moon (moon)|Moon]], Ratbat was among several "[[primitive]]" Transformers called away by a mysterious being known as [[Oracle (G1)|Primacron's assistant]] to do battle with [[Primacron (G1)|Primacron]]'s creation, [[Tornedron]]. As the primitives made their escape from the seemingly unstoppable creature, Ratbat was grabbed by Tornedron's tiger form and eaten. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}} He got better, though, and was later around to overhear the Autobots' conversation with [[Jessica Morgan]] about the discovery of the [[Spark|lifeless]] body of Optimus Prime. However, this resulted in most of the Decepticons being infected with the [[Hate Plague]]. Some days, a bat can't win. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 1}}

====Japanese cartoon continuity====
=====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' comic=====
[[File:RatbatFSRLFManga.jpg|200px|thumb|Ratbat's fallen off the ugly tree a few times.]]
Under the direction of Soundwave, Ratbat and his fellow cassettes ambushed [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]] in [[Japan]] shortly after his companion [[Kenji]] had flown off in [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]]. Bumblebee was able to leap over them and run off, which prompted Soundwave to have the cassettes give chase. [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] shortly ordered the group to split up to cover more ground.

However, they instead (as a group, oddly) ran into [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] and [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]], which sent them into retreat. Unfortunately, their attempt to re-enter Soundwave's chest was foiled by the fact that Bumblebee had shattered it with a kick, causing them all (including Ratbat) to bounce off the mangled cassette door. Cliffjumper then picked them all up and proceeded to pull out their magnetic tape, wrapping it around his fingers. That meanie. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 2|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #2}}

=====Scramble City: Mobilization=====
{{voiceactor|[[Ken Shiroyama]] (Japanese)}}
Detecting some strange electromagnetic emanations coming from a mountain range, [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] had [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]] deploy Ratbat, [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] and [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] to investigate. When they met resistance from [[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blaster]] and his own cassette warriors, it became apparent that the mountain concealed an [[Autobot]] operation. While Ravage and Laserbeak occupied [[Ramhorn (G1)|Ramhorn]] and [[Steeljaw (G1)|Steeljaw]], Ratbat was able to evade laser fire from Blaster and penetrated the mountain, discovering that it housed the construction site for the Autobots' [[Metroplex (G1)|Scramble City]]. {{storylink|Scramble City: Mobilization}}

=====''The Great Transformer War'' comic=====
In [[2010]], after infiltrating Scramble City, Ratbat watched from a hidden perch as the alien scientist Doctor [[Dalton (G1)|Dalton]] assisted the Autobots in increasing the power of the nascent [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]]. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 1|The Great Transformer War #1}}

=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
{{voiceactor|[[Ken Yamaguchi]] (Japanese, ep. 4), [[Hōchū Ōtsuka]] (Japanese, ep. 17)}}
In the year [[2011]], as [[Vector Sigma]] was in the process of destabilizing, Soundwave and his cassettes invaded [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]] in an attempt to learn what the Autobots' strategy for resolving the situation was. While listening in on the Autobots' discussion, which involved locating the missing [[Matrix of Leadership]], Ratbat was detected by Blaster, leading to a battle between the two communications officers. Soundwave and his troops fled, but the battle was renewed soon after in the Arctic, where both combatants ultimately destroyed each other. Ratbat, Laserbeak and [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]] gathered up the broken fragments of Soundwave's body and made an airborne escape. {{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}} Subsequently, the information Ratbat had gathered on the Autobots' search was replayed for Galvatron. {{storylink|Birth of the Fantastic Double Prime}}

Thanks to the super-science of planet [[Master (planet)|Master]], Decepticon [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] leader [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] was able to use the fragments of Soundwave's body Ratbat and the others had recovered to restore him to life as Soundblaster. He was joyfully received by Ratbat and the other cassettes, who soon found themselves again battling Blaster - likewise reborn as Twincast - and his cassettes while Soundblaster attacked Cybertron with the Decepticons' new [[Madmachine]]. {{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}}

When a shadowy figure began blackmailing different nations around the world, Ratbat snuck into Autobot City to observe the Autobots' response. He was, however, spotted by [[Trainbot]] leader [[Shouki]] in the reflection in his glass of [[energon]], and fled. {{storylink|Terror! The Six Shadows}} Ratbat continued his spying missions, and gleaned information on the human/Autobot joint venture [[Sol 1]], an energy-absorbing satellite set for launch. Although he was discovered by [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]], Ratbat escaped and reported back to Soundblaster. He used holographic projectors behind his eyes to allow Scorponok to review the data he had uncovered. {{storylink|The Shadow Emperor, Scorponok}}

Ratbat and the Mini-Cassettes were concerned about [[Punch (G1)|Counterpunch]] filling their place as Scorponok's chief informants, and met with Soundblaster on how to reassert their dominance. {{storylink|Return of the Immortal Emperor}} Ratbat was still favored by Galvatron after he returned, however, and was sent to spy on the Autobots in order to learn what they planned to do about [[Sandra (planet)|Sandra]]'s distress call. {{storylink|SOS from Planet Sandra}}

After the Decepticons left Earth behind to seek other sources of energy, Ratbat and the Mini-Cassettes traveled with Soundblaster and the others aboard Scorponok. On the planet [[Paradise]], he delivered a message to the Autobots when the Decepticons captured their teammate, [[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]]. {{storylink|Head Formation of Friendship}}

=====''The Headmasters'' comic=====
[[File:RatbatHeadmastersManga.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Ratbat post-"adorableness" surgery.]]
After Soundblaster crash-landed following his encounter with [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]]'s "Master Chrome Hurricane-Throw to the End of Hell" attack, Ratbat and the other animal cassettes (minus [[Slugfest (G1)|Slugfest]] and [[Overkill (G1)|Overkill]]) stood over his groggy form while [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] and [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] panicked at the approach of [[Sixshot]]. {{storylink|The Headmasters issue 8|The Headmasters #8}}
{{-}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
{{noteukonly}}
[[File:Ratbatresurrection.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Future Decepticon leaders are quick to realize that Megatron was a terrible one.]]
Ratbat was one of the many Decepticons left on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], where he rose to the critical post of fuel auditor. With a drive towards extreme efficiency, he would rarely countenance unnecessary risks. ''He was one of the key figures in Lord [[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]]'s court, and so when Straxus' attempted possession of [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] saw Straxus dead and Megatron mentally unstable, Ratbat was able to exploit it. Convincing the others that Megatron and Straxus were a liability, he had Straxus' troops open the [[space bridge|Space Bridge]] in front of Megatron, [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], which sent them back to Earth''. {{storylink|Resurrection!}}

Ratbat emerged as the most powerful Decepticon in [[Polyhex]]. Ratbat grew increasingly dissatisfied with the inefficient use of fuel by the Decepticons based on Earth under the command of [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], a practice he planned to alleviate by shutting down the Space Bridge between Earth and Cybertron. The amount of fuel the Earthbound Decepticons had gathered was not remotely equal to the energy required to run the bridge. Regardless, Shockwave appealed for one more use of the Space Bridge, and blamed the Earthbound Autobots for their lack of progress. To the ends of eliminating them from the equation, Ratbat opened up the Space Bridge in front of the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] and sent [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] through it to destroy them. Though many injuries were inflicted, the arrival of the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] rapidly turned the tide. Trypticon's energy expenses exceeded the budget allowed for the mission, and Ratbat ordered him back. {{storylink|King of the Hill!}}

[[File:Ratbatcratercritters.jpg|175px|thumb|"That... that's your fist, Astrotrain."]]
With the Space Bridge no longer an option, Ratbat sent things to Earth via low-energy cost space freighters. However, a particularly important cargo went missing en route to Earth, so he dispatched the [[Triple Changer]]s through the Space Bridge to investigate. {{storylink|Crater Critters}} When the source of the problem turned out to be a deadly plague of [[Scraplet]]s, he captured the [[Throttlebot]]s and sent them to Earth to remove the infection with corrosives. He warned them that if they did not succeed within ten hours, he would destroy the Earth to prevent the plague from spreading. Thankfully, [[water]] was discovered to be an effective cure. {{storylink|The Cure!}}

[[File:Ratbatcarwash.jpg|left|250px|thumb|So once again, Jones, what was briefly yours is now mine.]]
Ratbat traveled to Earth to oversee his designs for Earth. He continued to be outraged at Shockwave's excessive fuel use, particularly when he revealed that Shockwave's Decepticons had recently stolen a fuel tanker ''after'' it had unloaded its cargo! Meanwhile, Ratbat's plans proceeded well. He had placed industrialist [[G.B. Blackrock]] under his control, and had him open a chain of car washes that featured rock and roll music and flashing lights, dubbed the "[[Wash and Roll|Wash and Roll Car Wash]]". These car washes hypnotized humans into delivering the fuel they'd pumped back to the Decepticons. However, this plan was discovered by the Autobots' ally [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]]. After a quick fight inside one of the car washes, Buster was able to awaken the hypnotized masses outside. Ratbat was forced to flee. {{storylink|Buster Witwicky and the Car Wash of Doom}}

The [[United States of America|United States]] government later captured the Throttlebots and executed them live on television. The [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]] carried Ratbat to the execution location afterwards so that he could ensure that they had indeed been killed. He discovered that their brain modules were missing, and once he had the scent, he tracked down the Throttlebots inside a nearby mall. Here he battled Buster Witwicky once again, who with [[Walter Barnett (G1)|Walter Barnett]] had snuck the Throttlebots' brains away inside remote control cars. Ratbat cornered Buster and kidnapped him. {{storylink|Toy Soldiers!}}

He brought Buster back to the [[Club Con|Decepticons' island headquarters]], where he was used as a human shield against military retaliation. The Autobot [[Targetmaster]]s besieged the base, commanded by [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] and Buster's older brother [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]], so the Decepticons were forced to flee by deploying the island base's space-travel capabilities. In the process of departure, Shockwave was shot down in space and seen spiraling towards Earth, apparently dying during reentry. Ratbat declared it would be inefficient to rescue him and seized command of the Decepticons for himself. {{storylink|The Desert Island of Space!}}

[[File:Ratbatfortmax.jpg|left|100px|thumb|Ratbat breaks through the Mini-Cassette glass ceiling.]]
Of all the leaders of the Decepticons on Earth few came closer to outright victory than Ratbat. He followed the Autobots under [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] when they set out to unite with those under [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] and launched an all-out attack that resulted in huge casualties and the Autobots being briefly stranded on the Moon. He retreated only when Grimlock and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] returned from their duel and turned the tide. {{storylink|Totaled!}}

[[File:Ratbatdarkstardeath.jpg|250px|thumb|Three in one shot? Even Ratbat would concede this was an efficient death.]]
Later, Ratbat promoted the newly recovered [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]] to the position of second-in-command and set out to learn the truth about the legendary [[Underbase]], which could seemingly make a Transformer supremely powerful. {{storylink|Club Con!}} Ratbat was determined to attain its power for himself but this ambition was shared by Starscream. The latter lured the separate Decepticon faction led by [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] to a meeting with Ratbat's forces, which soon resulted in conflict between the two, allowing Starscream to seek the Underbase for himself. {{storylink|Cold War!}} Both Decepticon factions allied with the Autobots in fighting against Starscream, suffering huge casualties in the process. However, both Ratbat and Scorponok independently suspected that the Autobot leader Optimus Prime had plans to seize the power of the Underbase for himself, and they set out to stop him. They confronted him aboard the Ark and Ratbat declared he would have the power of the Underbase for himself. Seconds later, Ratbat was dead, shot in the back by Scorponok. {{storylink|Dark Star}}
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====''Generation 2''====
Years later, Grimlock would invoke Buster Witwicky's fight with Ratbat inside the Wash and Roll Car Wash. Optimus Prime needed to be reminded that no matter how small, life struggles to carry on, and if protecting it was good once, why would they stop now? {{storylink|War Without End!}}

====''Recordicons''====
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Though Ratbat was dead, he was sought by his alternate self from [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|another universe]] who had assumed the persona of [[Ratbat (SG)|Batbot]]. Asking if Ratbat had left any unfinished business, Batbot was directed to the pile of unfinished paperwork in Ratbat's quarters. {{storylink|Recordicons#Recordicons #11|''Recordicons'' #11}}

====''Regeneration One''====
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[[File:Ratbat loose ends 2.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Arrrr, Jim lad!]]
After awaking in [[1994]], [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] retrieved Ratbat's body from the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] and after being reanimated and lobotomised, the cassette was pressed into service as part of Megatron's [[zombie]] army.

At some point, Ratbat finally managed to finish what he started with Buster Witwicky. Killing him in a car wash. {{storylink|Less Than Zero}}

In [[2012]], Ratbat (now sporting an [[Transformer clothing|eye-patch]]) was part of a detachment ordered to chase down [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] and the [[Wrecker]]s. Upon subduing Kup, Ratbat ordered his fellow zombies to return him to Megatron. {{storylink|Loose Ends, Part 2}}

When the Wreckers subsequently attempted to rescue Kup, [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] took down Ratbat with a punch after deploying some unexpected moves. {{storylink|Loose Ends, Part 4}}

Following Megatron's defeat and [[Aunty|Auntie]]'s destruction, the inert bodies of the zombies were gathered up, thrown into a large pit and vaporised from orbit. {{storylink|Natural Selection, Part One}}
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===''Transformers in 3-D''===
[[File:Ratbat blackthorne.png|thumb|Ratbat watches over his loyal pet Galvatron]]
Ratbat was a sentient entity capable of talking, but pretended to be an obedient mute animal in order to get out of doing any real work. He ended up as the mentally unstable [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]'s witless pet and sole confidant. This embarrasses him, but rather that than do work!

[[File:Ratbat blackthorne2.png|thumb|left|]]
[[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] worried about Galvatron's unhealthy attachment to Ratbat. When [[Searchlight (G1)|Searchlight]] foiled Ratbat's search for mysterious [[energon]]-producing [[Observer|aliens]] by causing Galvatron to accidentally step on him using [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]], Galvatron stopped fighting to rush to Ratbat's side, distraught over his actions. {{storylink|The Test (issue)|The Test}}

Ratbat later joined a Decepticon raid on [[S.S. Exton 9]], corralling the [[human]]s within for the use of the [[suspension-ray beam]] on them. They were to be future slaves in the Decepticons' [[energy research laboratory]]. During the raid, Ratbat noted [[Cosmos (G1)|what seemed to be an Autobot ship]], and several Decepticons went in pursuit. They failed to capture the Autobot, and a group of four children, [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]], and Cosmos returned to Exton 9 with the [[Prism of Power]]. The battle that followed forced the Decepticons into retreat and the Prism nullified the ray beam's effects on the humans. {{storylink|Transformers in 3-D issue 2|Transformers in 3-D #2}}
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===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' comics===
[[File:Ratbatwarwithin.jpg|left|thumb|Finally! It's Ratbat's time to shine!]]
In the absence of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] during the [[Dark Ages]], the [[Autobot]]s and the [[Decepticon]]s split into disparate factions. High Executor Ratbat became leader of his own faction, the [[Ultracon]]s. They frequently clashed with [[Springer (G1)|Springer]]'s [[Wrecker]]s, who managed to keep the Ultracons in [[Polyhex]]'s borders.

In a push to seize the [[Tagan Heights]], which would grant 40% of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s manufacturing, Ratbat violated the [[Crisis Intervention Accord]] and managed to sway the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] over to the Ultracons, unleashing [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] on the Heights. However, the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] arrived and formed [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]]. {{Storylink|Escalation}} Their duel resulted in the destruction of a good deal of the Tagan Heights, and Ratbat was forced to retreat. {{Storylink|Devastation}}

Eventually, four of the factions agreed to peace talks at the [[High Council Pavilions]], which Ratbat attended. The talks were interrupted by an attack from [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'s [[Predacon (War Within)|Predacons]], but the four factions joined together to subdue the Predacons. However, another force quickly arrived in the form of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and his [[Air Warrior|Aerospace Extermination Squad]]. {{Storylink|The Age of Wrath}} With the return of their esteemed leader, the factions reintegrated into a single Decepticon army. {{Storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.2}}

[[File:Ratbatwarandpeace.jpg|200px|thumb|Wait, wait, sorry, nevermind.]]
During the millions of years that followed, Ratbat acquired a body, which he despised {{storylink|Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye #5}} and which worked in conjunction with [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]'s body. At one point, he was captured and kept in the [[Detention Banks]]. During the reign of [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] secretly worked with Soundwave, having [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] and [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] assist him in releasing Ratbat while they were releasing the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]] on behalf of Shockwave. {{Storylink|Cold War (issue)|Cold War}} In return for some favors, Starscream returned Ratbat to Soundwave. {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction (issue)|Countdown to Extinction}}

===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
[[File:DDJvTF-Ratbat.jpg|200px|thumb|I'll just be over here, being an accountant.]]Ratbat was one of the many Transformers recovered from the crashed ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'' by [[Cobra]]. He was repaired and retrofitted by [[Doctor Mindbender]], who proudly displayed him, Soundwave, and his fellow Mini-Cassettes to [[Destro]]. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 2|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #2}} Ratbat was released by Soundwave, along with [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]], [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]], [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]], and [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]], during an attack on the [[SPS Research Facility]]. Ratbat was felled by the combined fire of [[Rock 'n Roll]], [[Roadblock (G.I. Joe)|Roadblock]], and [[Bazooka (G.I. Joe)|Bazooka]]. His body was taken into custody by [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 3|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #3}}
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===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
[[File:Senator ratbat.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Woohoo! Now I'm a Senator!]]
Millions of years ago, before the war, Ratbat was a member of the [[Senate]] and possessed a fairly impressive humanoid form with wing-like capes and a bat head-like helmet. This seems to mean he's a descendant of "the progenitors". {{storylink|Chaos Theory Part 2}} His professed role was "the application of wisdom through judgment", whatever that means, but, in practicality, he simply monitored news feeds and manipulated events (including stoking conflicts) to create the most profit for himself. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 2|Megatron Origin #2}} He supported Senator [[Proteus]]'s decision to implement the [[Clampdown]], which would grant the Senate more power over Cybertronian citizens by strengthening security in the wake of an assassination attempt on [[Nominus Prime]]. In particular, Ratbat suggested they use the Clampdown to track down and shut down groups opposed to the Senate's rule. {{storylink|Chaos Theory Part 2}} He was also responsible for the automation of Cybertron's energon mines, a move which prompted the miner known as [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] to rebel and flee underground.

Interested by Megatron's early [[Gladiatorial combat|gladiatorial exploits]], he sent his servant [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] to offer Megatron a wide variety of advanced weaponry. He was either trying to get in on the fight racket and increase the violence for profit, or was deliberately trying to create greater instability (also for profit). {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 2|Megatron Origin #2}}

[[File:MegatronOrigin4 Soundwave humbles Ratbat.jpg|200px|thumb|No, no, wait. Sorry. Again.]]
When Megatron's forces bloomed from underground fightclub to planet-destabilizing army, Ratbat realized that he'd made a mistake and Megatron was going too far. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 3|Megatron Origin #3}} After Megatron decisively won his first battle against [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] and the Decepticons were established, Ratbat decided to view this as a job opportunity and simply transfer himself (and all of Kaon's city funding and government data) to [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] and a more lucrative position. Unfortunately for him, he was betrayed by Soundwave, who thought Ratbat would be a "valuable resource" for the Decepticons. His [[spark]] was removed and transferred into a smaller, compact form. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 4|Megatron Origin #4}}

During a manhunt for Soundwave in Iacon, [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]] closed in on the Decepticon communications officer from the air. Soundwave ejected Ratbat to deter him, much to Silverbolt's shock. Ratbat nimbly took out Silverbolt's port stabilizer, forcing him to crash into a nearby building. {{storylink|The Hunt for Soundwave}}

[[File:Ratbatdevastation.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Always on playlist: "Batdance"]]
[[File:AHM5-Ratbat.jpg|thumb|200px|Ratbat likes to wear his [[size changing]] abilities literally on his sleeve.]]
Millions of years later, Ratbat served as a scout for the Decepticons on [[Earth]]. After reporting to Megatron that he had found the [[Autobot]]s' ''[[Ark-19]]'', Ratbat was ordered to keep monitoring. {{storylink|Devastation issue 1|Devastation #1}} After the [[Surge (G1)|Surge]] and during the Decepticon invasion of the [[United States of America|United States]], the patrolling Ratbat came across the military unit of [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] as they attempted to cross the [[Hudson River]]. He sunk their boat and only Witwicky survived. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 5|All Hail Megatron #5}} When the Autobots returned to Earth and fought the Decepticons off, Ratbat retreated with the others aboard [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]]. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 13|Uneasy Lies the Head}}

Following the defeat of the [[Deceptigod]], Ratbat and the other Decepticons were left weakened from being forced to merge and were apprehended by the Autobots and locked away in a temporary holding area inside the gun barrel of the crashed [[Kimia Facility]]. When [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]] was shown to the facility, Ratbat loudly claimed that his reputation had been unfairly tarnished and he should be released, but Optimus told him in no uncertain terms that, as far as he was concerned, Ratbat was just another Decepticon, regardless of his past as a senator.

Getting nowhere with the Autobots, Ratbat instead tried to get the Decepticons to fall in line behind him now that Megatron had vanished, but when they were released to deal with a riot caused by a large number of angry [[NAIL|neutral Cybertronians]], the Decepticons all ignored him. Starscream mockingly noted that Ratbat's attitude was the reason why no one had listened to him in four million years. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime|The Death of Optimus Prime}}

[[File:Ratbat Autonomy Lesson.jpg|left|250px|thumb|Yay, I'm in charge again!]]
Some weeks later, Ratbat had managed to cement his position as figurehead and spokesperson for the confined Decepticons. [[Needlenose]] and [[Horri-Bull]] were forcibly returned to the Decepticon holding pen for threatening a NAIL, much to Ratbat's chagrin. He complained to [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] about the unfair, restrictive conditions that the Decepticons were kept under. Prowl simply blew him off, telling Ratbat that Decepticons couldn't be trusted to function in the new society without the [[Inhibitor/deterrence chip|I/D chips]] in their heads. When Ratbat pressed further, Prowl bluntly stated that the Decepticons only deserved to be treated "like the animals you are". After the Autobots had left, Ratbat furiously chewed Needlenose and Horri-Bull out for volunteering to serve on the outside as peacekeepers. Needlenose protested that they simply wanted something to do, to which Ratbat responded that he did have a plan and they only had to stay out of trouble until the next night. {{Storylink|The Autonomy Lesson}}

[[File:Arcee Ratbat WorldandEverythingInIt.jpg|150px|thumb|OH, COME ON!]]
Of course, Horri-Bull and Needlenose ''couldn't'' stay out of trouble for another night and attacked [[Zetca (G1)|another NAIL]], forcing Bumblebee to activate Horri-Bull's I/D chip and blow his head off. This however, served Ratbat's larger scheme in proving to the Autobots that the I/D chips still functioned properly. The reality of it was that Soundwave and [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]] had found a way to disable them, and Ratbat was waiting for the right time to take advantage of this fact. Having sent [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] to confirm this by teleporting out and witnessing Horri-Bull's demise, Ratbat warned the others to stick to his plan. Starscream openly voiced his doubt in Ratbat's plans and leadership, to which Ratbat merely claimed that ''he'' was the one who was responsible for the Decepticon uprising in the first place, through his manipulations as a senator. Starscream left in disgust, prompting Ratbat to order [[Long Haul (G1)|Long Haul]] to tail him.

Ratbat's plan went into effect the next night. During a memorial service for the presumed-dead crew of the ''[[Lost Light]]''. Skywarp was to assassinate Bumblebee from a high vantage point, pinning the crime on a NAIL. Ratbat and the other Decepticons would then move out and attack the Autobots in the confusion. Unfortunately, Starscream had tipped Prowl off to Ratbat's plan, and the Autobot prevented Skywarp from pulling the trigger. Believing Bumblebee to have been successfully killed, Ratbat ordered [[Mixmaster (G1)|Mixmaster]] to rally the others. Ratbat asked Soundwave and Shockwave if they were in agreement with his plans, to the former's silence and the latter's indifference. Satisfied, Ratbat retreated to his quarters to prepare, where he was ambushed by [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]]. The vicious Autobot cut his legs off and skewered his wing, before stabbing him through the chest. When someone came to check on Ratbat, they found him dead and pinned to the wall with an energy-sword. {{Storylink|The World & Everything in It}} The Autobots showed up shortly thereafter to remove Ratbat's body. Prowl told the assembled Decepticons that Ratbat's death had been a suicide, much to their outrage and disbelief. Starscream backed this obvious cover story, claiming that the former senator had confided in him that the pressures of leadership were too great for his "tiny body" to withstand. Last seen, his corpse was in [[Fixit (G1)|Fixit's]] medical facility, being stood over by [[Scattershot (G1)|Scattershot]]. {{Storylink|Stick Together}}

==Games==
===''Transformers Legends''===
When the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] marched on the Decepticon base, Ratbat joined [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] in bringing them to a halt. {{storylink|Day of the Dinobots (Part 2)}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Ratbat / Frenzy''' (Cassette 2-pack, 1986)
**''Accessories'': 2 thrusters

:Ratbat transforms from a robot bat into a microcassette that can fit in the chest compartment of the [[Soundwave (G1)/toys|Soundwave]] and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] molds. He was released in a two-pack with [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] in 1986 in the US and European markets. The toy had either gold or silver weapons and painted or sticker cassette detail. It is unknown if the color of the weapons corresponded to the detailing types.

:Ratbat's tiny "ears" are among the more easily lost parts in the original [[The Transformers (toyline)|''The Transformers'' line]].

:This mold was later used to make [[Wingthing (G1)|Wingthing]] and ''[[Shattered Glass]]'' [[Ratbat (SG)|Ratbat]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Ratbat/ratbat.htm More information on G1 Ratbat at TFU.info]''
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*'''Ratbat''' (Cassettron, 1986/1987)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-61''', '''D-107'''
**''Accessories'': 2 thrusters

:In Japan, Ratbat was released as an individual toy. He came with a clear-plastic cassette storage case, like all other Japanese releases of the cassettes. It is unknown what weapon/tape-detail variants were available in Japan.

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[[File:LPRatbat.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Your insides crying, “Save me now” You were there, impossibly alone.]]
*'''Transformers Linkin Park Soundwave: Special Edition''' ([[September 23]], 2013)
**''Accessories:'' 2 thrusters
:[[Linkin Park]] Ratbat is a gold and ... also gold [[redeco]] of Ratbat. He's packaged with Linkin Park gold redecoes of Soundwave, Laserbeak, [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]], and [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] on a flocked-purple plastic tray inside a special commemorative box. He has no stickers, factory-applied or otherwise. Linkin Park Soundwave: Special Edition is limited to 2000 pieces.

:At least one Ratbat (*ahem*) was misassembled so that the tips of the feet are unable to swing forward for bat mode, requiring disassembly and reassembly. Currently unknown if this is a widespread problem.
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===Universe (2008)===
[[File:Universe 2008 Ratbat toy.jpg|300px|thumb|[[Batman]] always did need a space ship.]]
*'''Standoff Beneath the Streets''' (Voyager Deluxe Comic 2-Pack, 2008)
**''Series'': '''War Within Series'''
**''Accessories:'' Left & right wing-swords, Decepticon [[Planet X (Cybertron)|Planet X]]-style [[Cyber Key]]

:A [[Target]]-[[exclusive]] [[redeco]] of ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' [[Sideways (RID)#Cybertron|Sideways]], [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|''Universe'']] Ratbat is a purple, alien spacefighter with a pop-out "internal displacement cannon". When his [[Cyber Key]] is inserted into the back of the cannon, he switches factions (from Decepticon to Ultracon) and the built-in spring-loaded "combat blades" deploy. His wings can also detach from his ankles and be used as blades, with both [[5mm post|pegging]] into either his hands, either with one blade in each hand, or with both blades pegging into the top and bottom of a single hand, forming a double-bladed weapon. His (conveniently color-coded) purple Cyber Key is unpainted, save for its silver Decepticon symbol. He was available only with [[Springer (G1)#Universe (2008)|Springer]].

:His [[packaging]] [[stock photography]] has his robot mode flipped, and his [[instructions]] and [[packaging]] call-out erroneously mention that his key-activated faction-changing [[gimmick]] makes him switch from "''Autobot'' to Decepticon at will!" Worse yet, in an effort for him to fit in the box, he is ''horribly'' mis-transformed, with his crotch being left split open, and the panel above it not being fully attached to his main body.

:Despite being a redeco of a ''Cybertron'' mold, ''Universe'' Ratbat is a remarkable [[homage]] to his ''[[Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages|Dark Ages]]'' robot mode and altmode. This is further enhanced by packaging him with [[Springer (G1)|Springer]], whom Ratbat had a rivalry with in the story. See [[#Dreamwave Generation 1 comics|above]].

:In its first release in Canada, the set did not include a comic (in spite of the ''INCLUDES COMIC!'' marking on the package), and in its [http://forums.tformers.com/talk/index.php?s=ab1b209e07ed43b5c964e4a0d101acf3&showtopic=15367&view=findpost&p=1449552 first reported US sighting], included the wrong comic. Instead of a reprint of "[[Target: 2006]]" parts [[Target:_2006#Wreck_and_Rule.21|5]] and [[Target:_2006#The_Devil_You_Know...|6]], which was meant for the "Autobot Ambush" Deluxe-Voyager two-pack of [[Roadbuster (G1)#Universe (2008)|Roadbuster]] and [[Dirge (G1)#Universe (2008)|Dirge]], the right comic was to be ''The Dark Ages'' issue "[[Escalation]]", which was similarly and erroneously included with the "Autobot Ambush" two-pack.

:This mold was also used to make the [[Noisemaze Mass Production Type Version#Galaxy Force|Noisemaze Mass Production Type Version]], and [[retool]]ed into ''Timelines'' [[Scourge (G1)#Timelines|Scourge]] and Sweeps [[Sweep Two#Toys|Two]], [[Sweep Six#Toys|Six]], and [[Sweep Seven#Toys|Seven]]. The Sweeps were later repurposed as ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Scourge (SG)|Scourge]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/TFURatbat/ratbat.htm More information on Universe Ratbat at TFU.info]''
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[[File:G1Ratbat toy.jpg|300px|thumb|I'm a cassette... I'm a bat... I'm adorable!]]
*'''Soundwave''' (2009)
**''Accessories:'' 2 thrusters

:In 2009, the original Ratbat toy was included with yet another reissue of the original Soundwave as part of the ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' line, this time as a [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] exclusive that was prominently offered at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2009. Included were his weapons and his own cassette case.

:Surprisingly for a reissue, the US San Diego Comic-Con release and the ''Encore'' release were near simultaneous, both occurring on the same weekend.
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===Encore===
*'''Great Cassette Operation Vol.2''' (2009)
**''Encore number'': '''17'''
**''Accessories'': 2 thrusters

:As part of [[TakaraTomy]]'s ''[[Transformers Encore|Encore]]'' line, Ratbat was reissued along with [[Slugfest (G1)|Slugfest]], [[Ramhorn (G1)|Ramhorn]], and [[Steeljaw (G1)|Steeljaw]].

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===Generations===
[[Image:Generationstoy-TakaraTomy-Ratbat.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Made from yet another Unicron agent.]]
*'''Ratbat''' (Deluxe, [[June 29|06-29]]-2013)
**''ID number'': '''TG20'''
**''Accessories'': 2 handguns

: Part of the seventh wave of [[TakaraTomy]] ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' toys, Ratbat is a [[Retool#Gang-molded alternate parts|pretool]]/redeco of ''Generations'' [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]]. It uses the mold's alternate head, inspired by Ratbat's pre-war [[Senate|Senator]] body as seen in [[IDW Publishing|IDW's]] ''[[The Transformers: Megatron Origin|Megatron Origin]]''. He transforms into a jet loosely based on the [[Wikipedia:Boeing X-48|Boeing X-48]] blended wing body concept aircraft, and comes with two weapons that are both held via [[5mm post]]. They can combine via [[C joint]] into a triple-barreled weapon, and can store inside each of his cape halves/aircraft wings.

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===Masterpiece===
*'''Soundblaster and Ratbat''' (2014)

: Masterpiece Ratbat is a new-mold Ratbat toy that transforms from micro-cassette to a model-accurate mechanical bat. Like the other Masterpiece cassettes, Ratbat's micro-cassette mode is still in the same scale as the original toys and can fit in either Masterpiece Soundwave/Soundblaster or in either of the original Soundwave or Blaster toys. Similar to Masterpiece Buzzsaw/Laserbeak and Ravage, Ratbat's gold accessories are now integrated into the transformation and separation will not be required (or likely possible). And, yeah, the original cartoon model had the cassette-mode sticker details drawn on the front of his bat wings, they just weren't painted, so stop getting angry about that, weirdos.

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==Merchandise==
===Diamond Select===
[[File:Soundblaster statue.jpg|200px|thumb|Sorry, Soundblaster, but you having legs was JUST NOT in the budget. Squeak.]]
*'''Sound Blaster''' (Diamond Select, 2008)

:Released by Diamond Select Toys in 2008, the [[Soundwave (G1)/toys|Sound Blaster]] bust was sculpted by [[Mark Wong]] of [[Art Asylum]], limited to 1,000 pieces. It includes a new sculpt of Ratbat perching on Sound Blaster's shoulder.
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[[File:Rumble statue.jpg|200px|thumb|They took the plastic that would have been used for Rumble's legs to make me! Because really, who's more adorable: Me, or Rumble's legs? Yeah, I thought so.]]
*'''Rumble''' (Diamond Select, 2009)

:Released by Diamond Select Toys in 2009, [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] was sculpted by Mark Wong of Art Asylum and limited to 1000 pieces. Ratbat is seen blazing over his shoulder and decoed in a deeper purple then he is usually depicted in.
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===G.I. Joe and the Transformers===
[[File:Sdcc2012 shockwaveaccessories-detail.jpg|thumb]]
*'''Shockwave H.I.S.S. Tank with two figures & Energon''' (2012)

: An [[exclusive]] release for San Diego Comic-Con 2012, this toy is a [[redeco]] of the 2012 new-[[mold]] ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe: Retaliation]]'' [[HISS tank]] meant to represent [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. It includes the [[Cobra]]s [[Destro|James McCullen Destro XXIV]] and a [[Battle Android Trooper]] with a trolley for carrying [[Energon cube]]s.

:Destro's accessories include [[Soundwave (G1)/toys|Soundwave]] in the form of a non-transforming tape deck and three micro-casettes capable of being placed within the Soundwave toy; red, orange, and gold cassettes that represent [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]], [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]], and Ratbat. Just who is meant to be who is unclear.
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==Notes==
*Ratbat's manga appearances use wildly different [[character model]]s. The first appears to be based more closely on his box art, and thus may in fact be his [[Studio OX]] model, while the second seems to simply be his standard animation model.
*While Ratbat in the original cartoon was a voiceless beast who was ordered around by Soundwave, in the Marvel Comics stories, Ratbat was an independent, intelligent character who could speak and held a prestigious rank, even commanding the Earthbound Decepticons for a period, despite transforming into a tiny audio cassette. Both of the "postmodern" continuities established by [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] and [[IDW Publishing|IDW]] have tried to harmonize these two disparate roles by portraying Ratbat as a previously-important individual who was humbled and forced into a lowly form. Remember, kids, if you're not humanoid, you can't possibly have held a real rank. There must be ''some explanation''.
*[[Bob Budiansky]] has said that Ratbat was made leader in an attempt to shake things up and keep the story interesting: instead of a more standard evil leader, we'd have a guy who cares more about the internal accounts. At the same time Ratbat was boss, Grimlock had become Autobot leader for the same reason. Sadly, we never saw a Ratbat/Grimlock throwdown.
[[File:Devastation-Ratbat SonyMylo by EJ Su.jpg|thumb|]]
*Ratbat's form in ''[[The Transformers: Devastation]]'' was not based on a CD player, as was frequently believed, but a first-generation [[Wikipedia:mylo_%28Sony%29|Sony Mylo]]<ref>[http://ej-su.deviantart.com/art/Ratbat-Concept-104748256 E.J. Su]: "Ratbat's alternate mode was actually based on Sony's first generation Mylo. It's a personal communication/multimedia device."</ref>.
*Ratbat's cassette form in ''[[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron]]'' was part of a deliberate decision to have everyone looking recognisable to new readers.<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/comics-16/botcon-2009-idw-publishing-panel-167766/ Botcon 2009 IDW Publishing Panel report]</ref> A black and purple bat? Perhaps they were worried readers would confuse him with [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]].

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Ratbat''' (ラットバット ''Rattobatto'')
*''French:'' '''Vampiro''' (Canada)
*''Hungarian:'' '''Féreg''' ("Worm")
*''Italian:'' '''Stridek'''
*''Russian:'' '''Krysak''' (Крысак, "Ratty")

==References==
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==External links==
*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Ratbat Ratbat's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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Ratbat (G1)

2013-10-22T15:50:24Z

Altercron: /* Regeneration One */

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:''Ratbat is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]]. He is usually a [[Decepticon Mini-Cassette|Mini-Cassette]]. Sometimes his robot mode is humanoid.''

[[File:TFLegendsApp-Ratbat.jpg|300px|thumb|Listen to them—children of the night. What spreadsheets they make.]]
Cold-blooded and obsessed with efficiency, '''Ratbat''''s primary concern is looking out for himself. He treats his responsibilities, whether as a fuel auditor or as leader of Decepticons, as a business. In his book, everything comes down to profit and loss.

In his role as fuel scout, Ratbat carries sensors that allow him to detect and evaluate the quality of fuels of various types, from primitive hydrocarbons to [[Energon]]. He can process any number of these different fuels to power himself.

Although obsessed with efficiency, like any good CEO, Ratbat allows himself a small indulgence: He enjoys sinking his fangs into the fuel tanks of Terran automobiles, the more expensive the better. He enjoys nothing more than savoring high-test gasoline siphoned from a hapless yuppie's Mercedes or BMW.

Ratbat is also the best [[Decepticon leader]] ever. True, that's what [[Megatron (G1)|every]] [[Starscream (G1)|other]] [[Shockwave (G1)|leader]] says, but he's got the victories to back it up.

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====Madman ''The Transformers'' comic====
[[File:Madman comic HotRod runsover tapes.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Dracula vs. King of the Roadkill.]]
In the year [[2001]], Ratbat was one of several tapes that accompanied [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]] when they were spying on the construction of [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]]. Soundwave had managed to record a meeting between [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] where the two Autobots leaders discussed hiding the [[Matrix of Leadership]] in a bunker at the building site. Ratbat was deployed along with [[Overkill (G1)|Overkill]], [[Slugfest (G1)|Slugfest]], [[Beastbox (G1)|Beastbox]] and [[Squawktalk (G1)|Squawktalk]] to oversee the retrieval of the powerful Autobot artifact. As Ratbat happily reported the minimal usage of fuel in the successful operation, the Autobot [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] rammed [[Squawkbox]] and Slugfest, scaring the crap out of the bat. {{storylink|The Transformers (Madman)|The Transformers}}
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====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Frank Welker]] (English), [[Ken Shiroyama]] (Japanese)}}

[[File:RatbatTV.jpg|150px|thumb|Squeak! Squeak I tell you! Squeak!]]
Ratbat was among several cassettes deployed by [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]] during the [[Battle of Autobot City]] in an effort to stop [[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blaster]] from broadcasting a distress signal to [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]]. After successfully destroying the transmitter, the cassettes broke into the glass dome of the communications tower and attacked [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] until Blaster deployed his own cassette squad. Ratbat was then attacked by [[Ramhorn (G1)|Ramhorn]]. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}

While the Decepticons were searching space for [[isidrite]] to repair their weaponry, Soundwave ejected Ratbat to hunt for the mineral in an asteroid field. Although the scout was successful in his mission, the isidrite deposit he discovered was already being mined by the Autobots, leading to the inevitable conflict. {{storylink|Webworld}}

[[File:CallofthePrimitives Ratbat TornedronTiger.jpg|left|150px|thumb|The paw that refreshes.]]
When [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] hired the [[Skuxxoid]] and [[Slizardo]] to attack the Autobots with [[anti-electron]]s, the spying Ratbat recorded their failure and raced back to [[Chaar]] to inform Galvatron, replaying his footage of the Autobots' recovery for the two would-be saboteurs to see. {{storylink|Grimlock's New Brain}}

During a battle on [[Earth]]'s [[Moon (moon)|Moon]], Ratbat was among several "[[primitive]]" Transformers called away by a mysterious being known as [[Oracle (G1)|Primacron's assistant]] to do battle with [[Primacron (G1)|Primacron]]'s creation, [[Tornedron]]. As the primitives made their escape from the seemingly unstoppable creature, Ratbat was grabbed by Tornedron's tiger form and eaten. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}} He got better, though, and was later around to overhear the Autobots' conversation with [[Jessica Morgan]] about the discovery of the [[Spark|lifeless]] body of Optimus Prime. However, this resulted in most of the Decepticons being infected with the [[Hate Plague]]. Some days, a bat can't win. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 1}}

====Japanese cartoon continuity====
=====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' comic=====
[[File:RatbatFSRLFManga.jpg|200px|thumb|Ratbat's fallen off the ugly tree a few times.]]
Under the direction of Soundwave, Ratbat and his fellow cassettes ambushed [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]] in [[Japan]] shortly after his companion [[Kenji]] had flown off in [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]]. Bumblebee was able to leap over them and run off, which prompted Soundwave to have the cassettes give chase. [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] shortly ordered the group to split up to cover more ground.

However, they instead (as a group, oddly) ran into [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] and [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]], which sent them into retreat. Unfortunately, their attempt to re-enter Soundwave's chest was foiled by the fact that Bumblebee had shattered it with a kick, causing them all (including Ratbat) to bounce off the mangled cassette door. Cliffjumper then picked them all up and proceeded to pull out their magnetic tape, wrapping it around his fingers. That meanie. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 2|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #2}}

=====Scramble City: Mobilization=====
{{voiceactor|[[Ken Shiroyama]] (Japanese)}}
Detecting some strange electromagnetic emanations coming from a mountain range, [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] had [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]] deploy Ratbat, [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] and [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] to investigate. When they met resistance from [[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blaster]] and his own cassette warriors, it became apparent that the mountain concealed an [[Autobot]] operation. While Ravage and Laserbeak occupied [[Ramhorn (G1)|Ramhorn]] and [[Steeljaw (G1)|Steeljaw]], Ratbat was able to evade laser fire from Blaster and penetrated the mountain, discovering that it housed the construction site for the Autobots' [[Metroplex (G1)|Scramble City]]. {{storylink|Scramble City: Mobilization}}

=====''The Great Transformer War'' comic=====
In [[2010]], after infiltrating Scramble City, Ratbat watched from a hidden perch as the alien scientist Doctor [[Dalton (G1)|Dalton]] assisted the Autobots in increasing the power of the nascent [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]]. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 1|The Great Transformer War #1}}

=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
{{voiceactor|[[Ken Yamaguchi]] (Japanese, ep. 4), [[Hōchū Ōtsuka]] (Japanese, ep. 17)}}
In the year [[2011]], as [[Vector Sigma]] was in the process of destabilizing, Soundwave and his cassettes invaded [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]] in an attempt to learn what the Autobots' strategy for resolving the situation was. While listening in on the Autobots' discussion, which involved locating the missing [[Matrix of Leadership]], Ratbat was detected by Blaster, leading to a battle between the two communications officers. Soundwave and his troops fled, but the battle was renewed soon after in the Arctic, where both combatants ultimately destroyed each other. Ratbat, Laserbeak and [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]] gathered up the broken fragments of Soundwave's body and made an airborne escape. {{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}} Subsequently, the information Ratbat had gathered on the Autobots' search was replayed for Galvatron. {{storylink|Birth of the Fantastic Double Prime}}

Thanks to the super-science of planet [[Master (planet)|Master]], Decepticon [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] leader [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] was able to use the fragments of Soundwave's body Ratbat and the others had recovered to restore him to life as Soundblaster. He was joyfully received by Ratbat and the other cassettes, who soon found themselves again battling Blaster - likewise reborn as Twincast - and his cassettes while Soundblaster attacked Cybertron with the Decepticons' new [[Madmachine]]. {{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}}

When a shadowy figure began blackmailing different nations around the world, Ratbat snuck into Autobot City to observe the Autobots' response. He was, however, spotted by [[Trainbot]] leader [[Shouki]] in the reflection in his glass of [[energon]], and fled. {{storylink|Terror! The Six Shadows}} Ratbat continued his spying missions, and gleaned information on the human/Autobot joint venture [[Sol 1]], an energy-absorbing satellite set for launch. Although he was discovered by [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]], Ratbat escaped and reported back to Soundblaster. He used holographic projectors behind his eyes to allow Scorponok to review the data he had uncovered. {{storylink|The Shadow Emperor, Scorponok}}

Ratbat and the Mini-Cassettes were concerned about [[Punch (G1)|Counterpunch]] filling their place as Scorponok's chief informants, and met with Soundblaster on how to reassert their dominance. {{storylink|Return of the Immortal Emperor}} Ratbat was still favored by Galvatron after he returned, however, and was sent to spy on the Autobots in order to learn what they planned to do about [[Sandra (planet)|Sandra]]'s distress call. {{storylink|SOS from Planet Sandra}}

After the Decepticons left Earth behind to seek other sources of energy, Ratbat and the Mini-Cassettes traveled with Soundblaster and the others aboard Scorponok. On the planet [[Paradise]], he delivered a message to the Autobots when the Decepticons captured their teammate, [[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]]. {{storylink|Head Formation of Friendship}}

=====''The Headmasters'' comic=====
[[File:RatbatHeadmastersManga.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Ratbat post-"adorableness" surgery.]]
After Soundblaster crash-landed following his encounter with [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]]'s "Master Chrome Hurricane-Throw to the End of Hell" attack, Ratbat and the other animal cassettes (minus [[Slugfest (G1)|Slugfest]] and [[Overkill (G1)|Overkill]]) stood over his groggy form while [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] and [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] panicked at the approach of [[Sixshot]]. {{storylink|The Headmasters issue 8|The Headmasters #8}}
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===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
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[[File:Ratbatresurrection.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Future Decepticon leaders are quick to realize that Megatron was a terrible one.]]
Ratbat was one of the many Decepticons left on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], where he rose to the critical post of fuel auditor. With a drive towards extreme efficiency, he would rarely countenance unnecessary risks. ''He was one of the key figures in Lord [[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]]'s court, and so when Straxus' attempted possession of [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] saw Straxus dead and Megatron mentally unstable, Ratbat was able to exploit it. Convincing the others that Megatron and Straxus were a liability, he had Straxus' troops open the [[space bridge|Space Bridge]] in front of Megatron, [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], which sent them back to Earth''. {{storylink|Resurrection!}}

Ratbat emerged as the most powerful Decepticon in [[Polyhex]]. Ratbat grew increasingly dissatisfied with the inefficient use of fuel by the Decepticons based on Earth under the command of [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], a practice he planned to alleviate by shutting down the Space Bridge between Earth and Cybertron. The amount of fuel the Earthbound Decepticons had gathered was not remotely equal to the energy required to run the bridge. Regardless, Shockwave appealed for one more use of the Space Bridge, and blamed the Earthbound Autobots for their lack of progress. To the ends of eliminating them from the equation, Ratbat opened up the Space Bridge in front of the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] and sent [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] through it to destroy them. Though many injuries were inflicted, the arrival of the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] rapidly turned the tide. Trypticon's energy expenses exceeded the budget allowed for the mission, and Ratbat ordered him back. {{storylink|King of the Hill!}}

[[File:Ratbatcratercritters.jpg|175px|thumb|"That... that's your fist, Astrotrain."]]
With the Space Bridge no longer an option, Ratbat sent things to Earth via low-energy cost space freighters. However, a particularly important cargo went missing en route to Earth, so he dispatched the [[Triple Changer]]s through the Space Bridge to investigate. {{storylink|Crater Critters}} When the source of the problem turned out to be a deadly plague of [[Scraplet]]s, he captured the [[Throttlebot]]s and sent them to Earth to remove the infection with corrosives. He warned them that if they did not succeed within ten hours, he would destroy the Earth to prevent the plague from spreading. Thankfully, [[water]] was discovered to be an effective cure. {{storylink|The Cure!}}

[[File:Ratbatcarwash.jpg|left|250px|thumb|So once again, Jones, what was briefly yours is now mine.]]
Ratbat traveled to Earth to oversee his designs for Earth. He continued to be outraged at Shockwave's excessive fuel use, particularly when he revealed that Shockwave's Decepticons had recently stolen a fuel tanker ''after'' it had unloaded its cargo! Meanwhile, Ratbat's plans proceeded well. He had placed industrialist [[G.B. Blackrock]] under his control, and had him open a chain of car washes that featured rock and roll music and flashing lights, dubbed the "[[Wash and Roll|Wash and Roll Car Wash]]". These car washes hypnotized humans into delivering the fuel they'd pumped back to the Decepticons. However, this plan was discovered by the Autobots' ally [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]]. After a quick fight inside one of the car washes, Buster was able to awaken the hypnotized masses outside. Ratbat was forced to flee. {{storylink|Buster Witwicky and the Car Wash of Doom}}

The [[United States of America|United States]] government later captured the Throttlebots and executed them live on television. The [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]] carried Ratbat to the execution location afterwards so that he could ensure that they had indeed been killed. He discovered that their brain modules were missing, and once he had the scent, he tracked down the Throttlebots inside a nearby mall. Here he battled Buster Witwicky once again, who with [[Walter Barnett (G1)|Walter Barnett]] had snuck the Throttlebots' brains away inside remote control cars. Ratbat cornered Buster and kidnapped him. {{storylink|Toy Soldiers!}}

He brought Buster back to the [[Club Con|Decepticons' island headquarters]], where he was used as a human shield against military retaliation. The Autobot [[Targetmaster]]s besieged the base, commanded by [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] and Buster's older brother [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]], so the Decepticons were forced to flee by deploying the island base's space-travel capabilities. In the process of departure, Shockwave was shot down in space and seen spiraling towards Earth, apparently dying during reentry. Ratbat declared it would be inefficient to rescue him and seized command of the Decepticons for himself. {{storylink|The Desert Island of Space!}}

[[File:Ratbatfortmax.jpg|left|100px|thumb|Ratbat breaks through the Mini-Cassette glass ceiling.]]
Of all the leaders of the Decepticons on Earth few came closer to outright victory than Ratbat. He followed the Autobots under [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] when they set out to unite with those under [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] and launched an all-out attack that resulted in huge casualties and the Autobots being briefly stranded on the Moon. He retreated only when Grimlock and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] returned from their duel and turned the tide. {{storylink|Totaled!}}

[[File:Ratbatdarkstardeath.jpg|250px|thumb|Three in one shot? Even Ratbat would concede this was an efficient death.]]
Later, Ratbat promoted the newly recovered [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]] to the position of second-in-command and set out to learn the truth about the legendary [[Underbase]], which could seemingly make a Transformer supremely powerful. {{storylink|Club Con!}} Ratbat was determined to attain its power for himself but this ambition was shared by Starscream. The latter lured the separate Decepticon faction led by [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] to a meeting with Ratbat's forces, which soon resulted in conflict between the two, allowing Starscream to seek the Underbase for himself. {{storylink|Cold War!}} Both Decepticon factions allied with the Autobots in fighting against Starscream, suffering huge casualties in the process. However, both Ratbat and Scorponok independently suspected that the Autobot leader Optimus Prime had plans to seize the power of the Underbase for himself, and they set out to stop him. They confronted him aboard the Ark and Ratbat declared he would have the power of the Underbase for himself. Seconds later, Ratbat was dead, shot in the back by Scorponok. {{storylink|Dark Star}}
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====''Generation 2''====
Years later, Grimlock would invoke Buster Witwicky's fight with Ratbat inside the Wash and Roll Car Wash. Optimus Prime needed to be reminded that no matter how small, life struggles to carry on, and if protecting it was good once, why would they stop now? {{storylink|War Without End!}}

====''Recordicons''====
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Though Ratbat was dead, he was sought by his alternate self from [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|another universe]] who had assumed the persona of [[Ratbat (SG)|Batbot]]. Asking if Ratbat had left any unfinished business, Batbot was directed to the pile of unfinished paperwork in Ratbat's quarters. {{storylink|Recordicons#Recordicons #11|''Recordicons'' #11}}

====''Regeneration One''====
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[[File:Ratbat loose ends 2.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Arrrr, Jim lad!]]
After awaking in [[1994]], [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] retrieved Ratbat's body from the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] and after being reanimated and lobotomised, the cassette was pressed into service as part of Megatron's [[zombie]] army.

At some point, Ratbat finally managed to finish what he started with Buster Witwicky. Killing him in a car wash.

In [[2012]], Ratbat (now sporting an [[Transformer clothing|eye-patch]]) was part of a detachment ordered to chase down [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] and the [[Wrecker]]s. Upon subduing Kup, Ratbat ordered his fellow zombies to return him to Megatron. {{storylink|Loose Ends, Part 2}}

When the Wreckers subsequently attempted to rescue Kup, [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] took down Ratbat with a punch after deploying some unexpected moves. {{storylink|Loose Ends, Part 4}}

Following Megatron's defeat and [[Aunty|Auntie]]'s destruction, the inert bodies of the zombies were gathered up, thrown into a large pit and vaporised from orbit. {{storylink|Natural Selection, Part One}}
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===''Transformers in 3-D''===
[[File:Ratbat blackthorne.png|thumb|Ratbat watches over his loyal pet Galvatron]]
Ratbat was a sentient entity capable of talking, but pretended to be an obedient mute animal in order to get out of doing any real work. He ended up as the mentally unstable [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]'s witless pet and sole confidant. This embarrasses him, but rather that than do work!

[[File:Ratbat blackthorne2.png|thumb|left|]]
[[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] worried about Galvatron's unhealthy attachment to Ratbat. When [[Searchlight (G1)|Searchlight]] foiled Ratbat's search for mysterious [[energon]]-producing [[Observer|aliens]] by causing Galvatron to accidentally step on him using [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]], Galvatron stopped fighting to rush to Ratbat's side, distraught over his actions. {{storylink|The Test (issue)|The Test}}

Ratbat later joined a Decepticon raid on [[S.S. Exton 9]], corralling the [[human]]s within for the use of the [[suspension-ray beam]] on them. They were to be future slaves in the Decepticons' [[energy research laboratory]]. During the raid, Ratbat noted [[Cosmos (G1)|what seemed to be an Autobot ship]], and several Decepticons went in pursuit. They failed to capture the Autobot, and a group of four children, [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]], and Cosmos returned to Exton 9 with the [[Prism of Power]]. The battle that followed forced the Decepticons into retreat and the Prism nullified the ray beam's effects on the humans. {{storylink|Transformers in 3-D issue 2|Transformers in 3-D #2}}
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===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' comics===
[[File:Ratbatwarwithin.jpg|left|thumb|Finally! It's Ratbat's time to shine!]]
In the absence of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] during the [[Dark Ages]], the [[Autobot]]s and the [[Decepticon]]s split into disparate factions. High Executor Ratbat became leader of his own faction, the [[Ultracon]]s. They frequently clashed with [[Springer (G1)|Springer]]'s [[Wrecker]]s, who managed to keep the Ultracons in [[Polyhex]]'s borders.

In a push to seize the [[Tagan Heights]], which would grant 40% of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s manufacturing, Ratbat violated the [[Crisis Intervention Accord]] and managed to sway the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] over to the Ultracons, unleashing [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] on the Heights. However, the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] arrived and formed [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]]. {{Storylink|Escalation}} Their duel resulted in the destruction of a good deal of the Tagan Heights, and Ratbat was forced to retreat. {{Storylink|Devastation}}

Eventually, four of the factions agreed to peace talks at the [[High Council Pavilions]], which Ratbat attended. The talks were interrupted by an attack from [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'s [[Predacon (War Within)|Predacons]], but the four factions joined together to subdue the Predacons. However, another force quickly arrived in the form of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and his [[Air Warrior|Aerospace Extermination Squad]]. {{Storylink|The Age of Wrath}} With the return of their esteemed leader, the factions reintegrated into a single Decepticon army. {{Storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.2}}

[[File:Ratbatwarandpeace.jpg|200px|thumb|Wait, wait, sorry, nevermind.]]
During the millions of years that followed, Ratbat acquired a body, which he despised {{storylink|Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye #5}} and which worked in conjunction with [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]'s body. At one point, he was captured and kept in the [[Detention Banks]]. During the reign of [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] secretly worked with Soundwave, having [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] and [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] assist him in releasing Ratbat while they were releasing the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]] on behalf of Shockwave. {{Storylink|Cold War (issue)|Cold War}} In return for some favors, Starscream returned Ratbat to Soundwave. {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction (issue)|Countdown to Extinction}}

===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
[[File:DDJvTF-Ratbat.jpg|200px|thumb|I'll just be over here, being an accountant.]]Ratbat was one of the many Transformers recovered from the crashed ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'' by [[Cobra]]. He was repaired and retrofitted by [[Doctor Mindbender]], who proudly displayed him, Soundwave, and his fellow Mini-Cassettes to [[Destro]]. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 2|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #2}} Ratbat was released by Soundwave, along with [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]], [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]], [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]], and [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]], during an attack on the [[SPS Research Facility]]. Ratbat was felled by the combined fire of [[Rock 'n Roll]], [[Roadblock (G.I. Joe)|Roadblock]], and [[Bazooka (G.I. Joe)|Bazooka]]. His body was taken into custody by [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 3|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #3}}
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===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
[[File:Senator ratbat.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Woohoo! Now I'm a Senator!]]
Millions of years ago, before the war, Ratbat was a member of the [[Senate]] and possessed a fairly impressive humanoid form with wing-like capes and a bat head-like helmet. This seems to mean he's a descendant of "the progenitors". {{storylink|Chaos Theory Part 2}} His professed role was "the application of wisdom through judgment", whatever that means, but, in practicality, he simply monitored news feeds and manipulated events (including stoking conflicts) to create the most profit for himself. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 2|Megatron Origin #2}} He supported Senator [[Proteus]]'s decision to implement the [[Clampdown]], which would grant the Senate more power over Cybertronian citizens by strengthening security in the wake of an assassination attempt on [[Nominus Prime]]. In particular, Ratbat suggested they use the Clampdown to track down and shut down groups opposed to the Senate's rule. {{storylink|Chaos Theory Part 2}} He was also responsible for the automation of Cybertron's energon mines, a move which prompted the miner known as [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] to rebel and flee underground.

Interested by Megatron's early [[Gladiatorial combat|gladiatorial exploits]], he sent his servant [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] to offer Megatron a wide variety of advanced weaponry. He was either trying to get in on the fight racket and increase the violence for profit, or was deliberately trying to create greater instability (also for profit). {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 2|Megatron Origin #2}}

[[File:MegatronOrigin4 Soundwave humbles Ratbat.jpg|200px|thumb|No, no, wait. Sorry. Again.]]
When Megatron's forces bloomed from underground fightclub to planet-destabilizing army, Ratbat realized that he'd made a mistake and Megatron was going too far. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 3|Megatron Origin #3}} After Megatron decisively won his first battle against [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] and the Decepticons were established, Ratbat decided to view this as a job opportunity and simply transfer himself (and all of Kaon's city funding and government data) to [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] and a more lucrative position. Unfortunately for him, he was betrayed by Soundwave, who thought Ratbat would be a "valuable resource" for the Decepticons. His [[spark]] was removed and transferred into a smaller, compact form. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 4|Megatron Origin #4}}

During a manhunt for Soundwave in Iacon, [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]] closed in on the Decepticon communications officer from the air. Soundwave ejected Ratbat to deter him, much to Silverbolt's shock. Ratbat nimbly took out Silverbolt's port stabilizer, forcing him to crash into a nearby building. {{storylink|The Hunt for Soundwave}}

[[File:Ratbatdevastation.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Always on playlist: "Batdance"]]
[[File:AHM5-Ratbat.jpg|thumb|200px|Ratbat likes to wear his [[size changing]] abilities literally on his sleeve.]]
Millions of years later, Ratbat served as a scout for the Decepticons on [[Earth]]. After reporting to Megatron that he had found the [[Autobot]]s' ''[[Ark-19]]'', Ratbat was ordered to keep monitoring. {{storylink|Devastation issue 1|Devastation #1}} After the [[Surge (G1)|Surge]] and during the Decepticon invasion of the [[United States of America|United States]], the patrolling Ratbat came across the military unit of [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] as they attempted to cross the [[Hudson River]]. He sunk their boat and only Witwicky survived. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 5|All Hail Megatron #5}} When the Autobots returned to Earth and fought the Decepticons off, Ratbat retreated with the others aboard [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]]. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 13|Uneasy Lies the Head}}

Following the defeat of the [[Deceptigod]], Ratbat and the other Decepticons were left weakened from being forced to merge and were apprehended by the Autobots and locked away in a temporary holding area inside the gun barrel of the crashed [[Kimia Facility]]. When [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]] was shown to the facility, Ratbat loudly claimed that his reputation had been unfairly tarnished and he should be released, but Optimus told him in no uncertain terms that, as far as he was concerned, Ratbat was just another Decepticon, regardless of his past as a senator.

Getting nowhere with the Autobots, Ratbat instead tried to get the Decepticons to fall in line behind him now that Megatron had vanished, but when they were released to deal with a riot caused by a large number of angry [[NAIL|neutral Cybertronians]], the Decepticons all ignored him. Starscream mockingly noted that Ratbat's attitude was the reason why no one had listened to him in four million years. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime|The Death of Optimus Prime}}

[[File:Ratbat Autonomy Lesson.jpg|left|250px|thumb|Yay, I'm in charge again!]]
Some weeks later, Ratbat had managed to cement his position as figurehead and spokesperson for the confined Decepticons. [[Needlenose]] and [[Horri-Bull]] were forcibly returned to the Decepticon holding pen for threatening a NAIL, much to Ratbat's chagrin. He complained to [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] about the unfair, restrictive conditions that the Decepticons were kept under. Prowl simply blew him off, telling Ratbat that Decepticons couldn't be trusted to function in the new society without the [[Inhibitor/deterrence chip|I/D chips]] in their heads. When Ratbat pressed further, Prowl bluntly stated that the Decepticons only deserved to be treated "like the animals you are". After the Autobots had left, Ratbat furiously chewed Needlenose and Horri-Bull out for volunteering to serve on the outside as peacekeepers. Needlenose protested that they simply wanted something to do, to which Ratbat responded that he did have a plan and they only had to stay out of trouble until the next night. {{Storylink|The Autonomy Lesson}}

[[File:Arcee Ratbat WorldandEverythingInIt.jpg|150px|thumb|OH, COME ON!]]
Of course, Horri-Bull and Needlenose ''couldn't'' stay out of trouble for another night and attacked [[Zetca (G1)|another NAIL]], forcing Bumblebee to activate Horri-Bull's I/D chip and blow his head off. This however, served Ratbat's larger scheme in proving to the Autobots that the I/D chips still functioned properly. The reality of it was that Soundwave and [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]] had found a way to disable them, and Ratbat was waiting for the right time to take advantage of this fact. Having sent [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] to confirm this by teleporting out and witnessing Horri-Bull's demise, Ratbat warned the others to stick to his plan. Starscream openly voiced his doubt in Ratbat's plans and leadership, to which Ratbat merely claimed that ''he'' was the one who was responsible for the Decepticon uprising in the first place, through his manipulations as a senator. Starscream left in disgust, prompting Ratbat to order [[Long Haul (G1)|Long Haul]] to tail him.

Ratbat's plan went into effect the next night. During a memorial service for the presumed-dead crew of the ''[[Lost Light]]''. Skywarp was to assassinate Bumblebee from a high vantage point, pinning the crime on a NAIL. Ratbat and the other Decepticons would then move out and attack the Autobots in the confusion. Unfortunately, Starscream had tipped Prowl off to Ratbat's plan, and the Autobot prevented Skywarp from pulling the trigger. Believing Bumblebee to have been successfully killed, Ratbat ordered [[Mixmaster (G1)|Mixmaster]] to rally the others. Ratbat asked Soundwave and Shockwave if they were in agreement with his plans, to the former's silence and the latter's indifference. Satisfied, Ratbat retreated to his quarters to prepare, where he was ambushed by [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]]. The vicious Autobot cut his legs off and skewered his wing, before stabbing him through the chest. When someone came to check on Ratbat, they found him dead and pinned to the wall with an energy-sword. {{Storylink|The World & Everything in It}} The Autobots showed up shortly thereafter to remove Ratbat's body. Prowl told the assembled Decepticons that Ratbat's death had been a suicide, much to their outrage and disbelief. Starscream backed this obvious cover story, claiming that the former senator had confided in him that the pressures of leadership were too great for his "tiny body" to withstand. Last seen, his corpse was in [[Fixit (G1)|Fixit's]] medical facility, being stood over by [[Scattershot (G1)|Scattershot]]. {{Storylink|Stick Together}}

==Games==
===''Transformers Legends''===
When the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] marched on the Decepticon base, Ratbat joined [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] in bringing them to a halt. {{storylink|Day of the Dinobots (Part 2)}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Ratbat / Frenzy''' (Cassette 2-pack, 1986)
**''Accessories'': 2 thrusters

:Ratbat transforms from a robot bat into a microcassette that can fit in the chest compartment of the [[Soundwave (G1)/toys|Soundwave]] and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] molds. He was released in a two-pack with [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] in 1986 in the US and European markets. The toy had either gold or silver weapons and painted or sticker cassette detail. It is unknown if the color of the weapons corresponded to the detailing types.

:Ratbat's tiny "ears" are among the more easily lost parts in the original [[The Transformers (toyline)|''The Transformers'' line]].

:This mold was later used to make [[Wingthing (G1)|Wingthing]] and ''[[Shattered Glass]]'' [[Ratbat (SG)|Ratbat]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Ratbat/ratbat.htm More information on G1 Ratbat at TFU.info]''
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*'''Ratbat''' (Cassettron, 1986/1987)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-61''', '''D-107'''
**''Accessories'': 2 thrusters

:In Japan, Ratbat was released as an individual toy. He came with a clear-plastic cassette storage case, like all other Japanese releases of the cassettes. It is unknown what weapon/tape-detail variants were available in Japan.

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[[File:LPRatbat.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Your insides crying, “Save me now” You were there, impossibly alone.]]
*'''Transformers Linkin Park Soundwave: Special Edition''' ([[September 23]], 2013)
**''Accessories:'' 2 thrusters
:[[Linkin Park]] Ratbat is a gold and ... also gold [[redeco]] of Ratbat. He's packaged with Linkin Park gold redecoes of Soundwave, Laserbeak, [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]], and [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] on a flocked-purple plastic tray inside a special commemorative box. He has no stickers, factory-applied or otherwise. Linkin Park Soundwave: Special Edition is limited to 2000 pieces.

:At least one Ratbat (*ahem*) was misassembled so that the tips of the feet are unable to swing forward for bat mode, requiring disassembly and reassembly. Currently unknown if this is a widespread problem.
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===Universe (2008)===
[[File:Universe 2008 Ratbat toy.jpg|300px|thumb|[[Batman]] always did need a space ship.]]
*'''Standoff Beneath the Streets''' (Voyager Deluxe Comic 2-Pack, 2008)
**''Series'': '''War Within Series'''
**''Accessories:'' Left & right wing-swords, Decepticon [[Planet X (Cybertron)|Planet X]]-style [[Cyber Key]]

:A [[Target]]-[[exclusive]] [[redeco]] of ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' [[Sideways (RID)#Cybertron|Sideways]], [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|''Universe'']] Ratbat is a purple, alien spacefighter with a pop-out "internal displacement cannon". When his [[Cyber Key]] is inserted into the back of the cannon, he switches factions (from Decepticon to Ultracon) and the built-in spring-loaded "combat blades" deploy. His wings can also detach from his ankles and be used as blades, with both [[5mm post|pegging]] into either his hands, either with one blade in each hand, or with both blades pegging into the top and bottom of a single hand, forming a double-bladed weapon. His (conveniently color-coded) purple Cyber Key is unpainted, save for its silver Decepticon symbol. He was available only with [[Springer (G1)#Universe (2008)|Springer]].

:His [[packaging]] [[stock photography]] has his robot mode flipped, and his [[instructions]] and [[packaging]] call-out erroneously mention that his key-activated faction-changing [[gimmick]] makes him switch from "''Autobot'' to Decepticon at will!" Worse yet, in an effort for him to fit in the box, he is ''horribly'' mis-transformed, with his crotch being left split open, and the panel above it not being fully attached to his main body.

:Despite being a redeco of a ''Cybertron'' mold, ''Universe'' Ratbat is a remarkable [[homage]] to his ''[[Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages|Dark Ages]]'' robot mode and altmode. This is further enhanced by packaging him with [[Springer (G1)|Springer]], whom Ratbat had a rivalry with in the story. See [[#Dreamwave Generation 1 comics|above]].

:In its first release in Canada, the set did not include a comic (in spite of the ''INCLUDES COMIC!'' marking on the package), and in its [http://forums.tformers.com/talk/index.php?s=ab1b209e07ed43b5c964e4a0d101acf3&showtopic=15367&view=findpost&p=1449552 first reported US sighting], included the wrong comic. Instead of a reprint of "[[Target: 2006]]" parts [[Target:_2006#Wreck_and_Rule.21|5]] and [[Target:_2006#The_Devil_You_Know...|6]], which was meant for the "Autobot Ambush" Deluxe-Voyager two-pack of [[Roadbuster (G1)#Universe (2008)|Roadbuster]] and [[Dirge (G1)#Universe (2008)|Dirge]], the right comic was to be ''The Dark Ages'' issue "[[Escalation]]", which was similarly and erroneously included with the "Autobot Ambush" two-pack.

:This mold was also used to make the [[Noisemaze Mass Production Type Version#Galaxy Force|Noisemaze Mass Production Type Version]], and [[retool]]ed into ''Timelines'' [[Scourge (G1)#Timelines|Scourge]] and Sweeps [[Sweep Two#Toys|Two]], [[Sweep Six#Toys|Six]], and [[Sweep Seven#Toys|Seven]]. The Sweeps were later repurposed as ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Scourge (SG)|Scourge]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/TFURatbat/ratbat.htm More information on Universe Ratbat at TFU.info]''
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[[File:G1Ratbat toy.jpg|300px|thumb|I'm a cassette... I'm a bat... I'm adorable!]]
*'''Soundwave''' (2009)
**''Accessories:'' 2 thrusters

:In 2009, the original Ratbat toy was included with yet another reissue of the original Soundwave as part of the ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' line, this time as a [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] exclusive that was prominently offered at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2009. Included were his weapons and his own cassette case.

:Surprisingly for a reissue, the US San Diego Comic-Con release and the ''Encore'' release were near simultaneous, both occurring on the same weekend.
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===Encore===
*'''Great Cassette Operation Vol.2''' (2009)
**''Encore number'': '''17'''
**''Accessories'': 2 thrusters

:As part of [[TakaraTomy]]'s ''[[Transformers Encore|Encore]]'' line, Ratbat was reissued along with [[Slugfest (G1)|Slugfest]], [[Ramhorn (G1)|Ramhorn]], and [[Steeljaw (G1)|Steeljaw]].

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===Generations===
[[Image:Generationstoy-TakaraTomy-Ratbat.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Made from yet another Unicron agent.]]
*'''Ratbat''' (Deluxe, [[June 29|06-29]]-2013)
**''ID number'': '''TG20'''
**''Accessories'': 2 handguns

: Part of the seventh wave of [[TakaraTomy]] ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' toys, Ratbat is a [[Retool#Gang-molded alternate parts|pretool]]/redeco of ''Generations'' [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]]. It uses the mold's alternate head, inspired by Ratbat's pre-war [[Senate|Senator]] body as seen in [[IDW Publishing|IDW's]] ''[[The Transformers: Megatron Origin|Megatron Origin]]''. He transforms into a jet loosely based on the [[Wikipedia:Boeing X-48|Boeing X-48]] blended wing body concept aircraft, and comes with two weapons that are both held via [[5mm post]]. They can combine via [[C joint]] into a triple-barreled weapon, and can store inside each of his cape halves/aircraft wings.

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===Masterpiece===
*'''Soundblaster and Ratbat''' (2014)

: Masterpiece Ratbat is a new-mold Ratbat toy that transforms from micro-cassette to a model-accurate mechanical bat. Like the other Masterpiece cassettes, Ratbat's micro-cassette mode is still in the same scale as the original toys and can fit in either Masterpiece Soundwave/Soundblaster or in either of the original Soundwave or Blaster toys. Similar to Masterpiece Buzzsaw/Laserbeak and Ravage, Ratbat's gold accessories are now integrated into the transformation and separation will not be required (or likely possible). And, yeah, the original cartoon model had the cassette-mode sticker details drawn on the front of his bat wings, they just weren't painted, so stop getting angry about that, weirdos.

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==Merchandise==
===Diamond Select===
[[File:Soundblaster statue.jpg|200px|thumb|Sorry, Soundblaster, but you having legs was JUST NOT in the budget. Squeak.]]
*'''Sound Blaster''' (Diamond Select, 2008)

:Released by Diamond Select Toys in 2008, the [[Soundwave (G1)/toys|Sound Blaster]] bust was sculpted by [[Mark Wong]] of [[Art Asylum]], limited to 1,000 pieces. It includes a new sculpt of Ratbat perching on Sound Blaster's shoulder.
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[[File:Rumble statue.jpg|200px|thumb|They took the plastic that would have been used for Rumble's legs to make me! Because really, who's more adorable: Me, or Rumble's legs? Yeah, I thought so.]]
*'''Rumble''' (Diamond Select, 2009)

:Released by Diamond Select Toys in 2009, [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] was sculpted by Mark Wong of Art Asylum and limited to 1000 pieces. Ratbat is seen blazing over his shoulder and decoed in a deeper purple then he is usually depicted in.
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===G.I. Joe and the Transformers===
[[File:Sdcc2012 shockwaveaccessories-detail.jpg|thumb]]
*'''Shockwave H.I.S.S. Tank with two figures & Energon''' (2012)

: An [[exclusive]] release for San Diego Comic-Con 2012, this toy is a [[redeco]] of the 2012 new-[[mold]] ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe: Retaliation]]'' [[HISS tank]] meant to represent [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. It includes the [[Cobra]]s [[Destro|James McCullen Destro XXIV]] and a [[Battle Android Trooper]] with a trolley for carrying [[Energon cube]]s.

:Destro's accessories include [[Soundwave (G1)/toys|Soundwave]] in the form of a non-transforming tape deck and three micro-casettes capable of being placed within the Soundwave toy; red, orange, and gold cassettes that represent [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]], [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]], and Ratbat. Just who is meant to be who is unclear.
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==Notes==
*Ratbat's manga appearances use wildly different [[character model]]s. The first appears to be based more closely on his box art, and thus may in fact be his [[Studio OX]] model, while the second seems to simply be his standard animation model.
*While Ratbat in the original cartoon was a voiceless beast who was ordered around by Soundwave, in the Marvel Comics stories, Ratbat was an independent, intelligent character who could speak and held a prestigious rank, even commanding the Earthbound Decepticons for a period, despite transforming into a tiny audio cassette. Both of the "postmodern" continuities established by [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] and [[IDW Publishing|IDW]] have tried to harmonize these two disparate roles by portraying Ratbat as a previously-important individual who was humbled and forced into a lowly form. Remember, kids, if you're not humanoid, you can't possibly have held a real rank. There must be ''some explanation''.
*[[Bob Budiansky]] has said that Ratbat was made leader in an attempt to shake things up and keep the story interesting: instead of a more standard evil leader, we'd have a guy who cares more about the internal accounts. At the same time Ratbat was boss, Grimlock had become Autobot leader for the same reason. Sadly, we never saw a Ratbat/Grimlock throwdown.
[[File:Devastation-Ratbat SonyMylo by EJ Su.jpg|thumb|]]
*Ratbat's form in ''[[The Transformers: Devastation]]'' was not based on a CD player, as was frequently believed, but a first-generation [[Wikipedia:mylo_%28Sony%29|Sony Mylo]]<ref>[http://ej-su.deviantart.com/art/Ratbat-Concept-104748256 E.J. Su]: "Ratbat's alternate mode was actually based on Sony's first generation Mylo. It's a personal communication/multimedia device."</ref>.
*Ratbat's cassette form in ''[[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron]]'' was part of a deliberate decision to have everyone looking recognisable to new readers.<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/comics-16/botcon-2009-idw-publishing-panel-167766/ Botcon 2009 IDW Publishing Panel report]</ref> A black and purple bat? Perhaps they were worried readers would confuse him with [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]].

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Ratbat''' (ラットバット ''Rattobatto'')
*''French:'' '''Vampiro''' (Canada)
*''Hungarian:'' '''Féreg''' ("Worm")
*''Italian:'' '''Stridek'''
*''Russian:'' '''Krysak''' (Крысак, "Ratty")

==References==
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==External links==
*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Ratbat Ratbat's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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Talk:Starscream (G1)/toys

2013-10-08T15:09:52Z

Altercron: /* 2013 Generations Armada Starscream */

==Pretender Starscream Request==
I don't have Pretender Starscream to test this, but I see the entry says the tail fin guns can't be stored, which I'm fairly sure is wrong. I believe the fin guns can peg into the holes on either side of the upper part of the rifle. Can anyone verify this for me?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 22:17, 4 August 2010 (EDT)

I had that figure a few years ago and yes it was possible to do that. I remember it not feeling like it was quite designed to do it, like it was just a coincidence they could stick on there but it was certainly possible.[[Special:Contributions/86.31.91.215|86.31.91.215]] 09:47, 1 August 2012 (EDT)

==Secret Starscream==
Nakas of Autobase Aichi has put forth the idea that "Secret Starscream", like Super Collection Figure Skywarp, was never actually sent out due to the bankruptcy of Keibunsha, the publisher. I *think* either the Binaltech And TF Collection book or one of the Generations 2009 books shows Secret Starscream, but I'd have to check to be sure, and I'm not sure what exactly is said about the piece either way. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 20:31, 10 December 2009 (EST)
:Ah-ha. It was in Generations 2009 volume 2.

:[http://obscuretf.com/tfscans/SecretStarscream.jpg Secret Starscream]

:Anyone want to take a crack at what that says? (At least we can get rid of the red speculation 'til then.) --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 23:33, 12 December 2009 (EST)

:The page says:
::The toy is the Prize A (and not-for-sell) for the Keibunsha mook ''Transformer(s) Generation(s)''".
::Although the details aren't revealed on the book, its plastic parts are all transparent.
::The package is as same as the one used for #004.
: <nowiki>;-D</nowiki> --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 13:05, 12 March 2012 (EDT)

== Transmetal Waspinator ==

I think it should also be considered a Starscream toy due to its portrayal in fiction. Trust me in this one.[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 20:47, 28 February 2010 (EST)
: Which fiction? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:42, 28 February 2010 (EST)
::Probably the Sourcebook... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:47, 28 February 2010 (EST)
:::*facepalm* --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:12, 28 February 2010 (EST)
::::Was that a yes?--[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 21:41, 16 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::Considering that Optimus Primal gets a bunch of random entries on his toys page, because he gets a new body for five seconds in some Japanese text stories, shouldn't we put both Waspinator's Regular beast and Transmetal body on this page? --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 16:40, 9 January 2011 (EST)
::::::Wait... it just hit me... Starscream possesses a bunch of bot's in his ghost appearances, doesn't he? Urgh. What a nightmare... Maybe just a note or something... --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 16:43, 9 January 2011 (EST)
:::::::I'd go with notes. Starscream possesses these others, their bodies are still their own. On the other hand, if a character ("Character A") is given a new body all his own that is a duplication of another character ("Character B")'s body the toy representing that body should be considered as a repurposed toy for Character A. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:12, 9 January 2011 (EST)

== Alternate caption idea ==

I think perhaps a funnier caption for his first Masterpiece toy would be "[[Puppet|I look like.... Thundercracker.]]" [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 19:05, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

== GID MW Starscream Missiles ==

I have an odd variant of the MW Starscream figure that includes Glow-In-The-Dark missiles. The stock in South Eastern CT (as well as who-knows-where-else) seemed to include these in good numbers, as the original that I bought (and still have) included them, as did a second example that I sent to Orson Christensen/Sidecutter (of Captured Prey) in trade (or if my memory is failing, he may have verified that the one he bought in KY also included them...in any event, he confirmed that I didn't have the only one)

I have always assumed (since they're not standard) that this was just an example of lax QC on the line, and someone tossed GID plastic pellets into the hopper because it was pretty close in color to the right plastic and no one noticed.

In any event, I recently pulled the box with MW Screamer out of storage and tonight I verified that I really really do have phosphorescent missiles. I tried a few different things to take a picture but haven't had much luck. Any suggestions on how to provide photographic proof are welcome, or if the powers-that-be are willing to accept my tale on faith, I could just add a note to the entry...
--[[User:Destrongerlupus|Destrongerlupus]] 21:10, 16 November 2010 (EST)

== Recent Starscream toys ==

By the way why there is a rubsign on a G1 toy that comes with lots of accessories including fists, null rays, wings, tail rudders, tails, thrusters, landing gear and the Decepticon planes era Starscream? I thought rubsigns are introduced in reveal the shield?([[User:Ihateyawning|Ihateyawning]] 23:56, 24 January 2011 (EST))
:Rubsigns were introduced in 1985 and have been used as recently as Classics and the Universe reissues. "Reveal the Shield" did not introduce them, it merely brought them back into the public eye. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 23:58, 24 January 2011 (EST)

== Things One, Two and Three ==

1) Like MCRG above, I was pretty sure Pretender Starscream's robot guns could be mounted on his shell's rifle. Can anyone confirm this? I don't have him. Am I being misled by Metalhawk?
2) I'm pretty sure, but not certain, that the Ghost of Starscream statue is probably not actually translucent polystone, but what is it? PVC? ABS? Surely some kind of plastic.
3) Whoever wrote the Skystriker Starscream blurb seems to have forgotten about Ti Megs. Actually, I'll just fix that one.
-[[User:LV|LV]] 10:09, 31 March 2011 (EDT)

== Masterpiece Starscream ==

Given I have watched Macross, I do not think that the scabbard side fins on MP-03 are an homage to Armada or Energon. This is a common cheat Kawamori employs when designing jets. If you don't believe me look at the YF-19

http://ghostlightning.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/macross-plus-yf-19-mmm.jpg

or the YF-21

http://www.collectiondx.com/gallery2/gallery/d/413455-5/P6176635.jpg

I think whoever put that in there is under the spell of wishful Armada fanwanking.

==2013 Generations Armada Starscream==
Since IDW has repurposed this as a new body for IDWG1 Starscream, should that toy be posted here as well? Or perhaps a note made of it? --[[User:Altercron|Altercron]] 10:38, 8 October 2013 (EDT)
:I believe it should, just as was done for WFC Shockwave. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 10:57, 8 October 2013 (EDT)
::Oh yes, there's no question it should be. I think we just haven't done it yet because it hasn't actually appeared in the comics yet. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:59, 8 October 2013 (EDT)
:::Ah that makes sense. I haven't been keeping up with IDWs series, relying on TFWiki for that. --[[User:Altercron|Altercron]] 11:09, 8 October 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Starscream (G1)/toys

2013-10-08T14:38:14Z

Altercron:

Buster Witwicky (G1)

2013-09-19T18:58:49Z

Altercron: /* Regeneration One */

{{disambig3|Buster}}
:''Buster [[Witwicky]] is a [[human]] friend of the [[Autobot]]s from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:Buster.jpg|right|250px|thumb|HOW IS AUTTO FIXED?]]
Unlike his father [[Sparkplug Witwicky|Sparkplug]], '''Buster Witwicky''' doesn't understand cars—or for that matter, anything mechanical. Buster prefers reading books, much to the frustration of his father. If only Buster were interested in something useful, like auto repair. Instead, foolish Buster, if he keeps on reading, may end up with a paid scholarship to ''college''. That is a road that could only lead to ruin.

He has an older brother, [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]], who is away at college, and another brother [[Butch Witwicky (G1)|Butch]] who is just... ''away''. Buster's favorite band is [[Purple Fungus]].<ref>The [[Find Your Fate Junior]] book "[[Attack of the Insecticons]]"</ref>

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
{{noteukonly}}
Buster lived in [[Portland]], [[Oregon]], with his father, [[Sparkplug Witwicky]], in a house adjacent to the family business, [[S. Witwicky Auto Repairs & Tow Service]]. One fateful day, Buster returned home late from school, and his father was sore. Buster tried to explain that he sometimes had to work after school at the library because he was in the literary scholarship program, but his father was unimpressed. Despite Buster's mechaniphobia, Sparkplug insisted that Buster be home to help the business. His father worried that his son's nose was stuck in a book, and that he was raising someone oblivious to the real world and its demands of him.

[[Image:Odisengage.jpg|left|250px|thumb|You probably don't want to know where Buster's other hand is.]]

That night, Buster and his girlfriend [[Jesse (G1)|Jesse]] were making out at the [[Community Drive-In]] (blocking the movie ''[[A Kiss for Us]]'' from view of his friend [["O"]]) when their car was hit from behind by a yellow Volkswagen Beetle. Buster got out to investigate and discovered that the little car was unmanned. There was no one inside! Suddenly, the drive-in theatre became a war zone as jets appeared and attacked. During an explosion, the Beetle was damaged. Buster was stunned to realize the car seemed to be crying (the puss), and leaking a strange substance which was not oil! Buster sent his friends to get help, while he drove the Beetle home, figuring his father could fix it.

His father, Sparkplug, was overjoyed at first when he stumbled across Buster and the Beetle in his garage. Had his son decided to follow in his footsteps? But before Buster could explain, the damaged Volkswagen Beetle spoke to them. "Help me, please! I'm dying!" {{storylink|The Transformers (issue)|The Transformers}}

Buster convinced his father to fix the Autobot, and the boy quickly became friends with him. Buster and Sparkplug became embroiled in the Autobot/Decepticon conflict, and Sparkplug developed a technique to allow Transformers to use Earth fuels that haven't been converted to Energon. When the Decepticons kidnapped Sparkplug and attempted to force him to duplicate the process for them, he tricked them by tampering with the fuel. Sparkplug was rescued before the Decepticon attack on the Autobots thanks to [[Gears (G1)|Gears]] and [[Spider-Man]], but when an argument among the Autobots about his loyalties caused him to suffer a heart attack (though [[Jazz (G1)|unleashing a wall of flame in front of him]] didn't help), he was rushed to [[Greater Portland Medical Center]] by Ratchet and Buster.

[[Image:NewOrder-OptimusPrimehead.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Sparkplug always knew his son would eventually get ahead.]]
As Sparkplug was tended to by the hospital staff, Buster called his friends Jesse and "O" for support. Later, they were with him when his father woke up. His father explained how he had poisoned the Decepticons' fuel, and the Witwickies assumed they had helped win the Transformers' civil war in absentia. {{storylink|The Last Stand}} Buster left his father to recuperate and ventured into the hospital's garage to locate Ratchet. After an altercation with the hospital personal, and a note of worry from Ratchet due to a drop in communication from the Ark, Buster went upstairs to say goodbye to his father and accompany Ratchet to the Ark. However, his father had a different idea, and had decided that hanging out with a warring race of alien robots wasn't the best thing for his son. Sparklug made Buster promise to never interact with the Autobots again, and Buster reluctantly accepted. Buster figured one more ride with Ratchet wouldn't hurt, and he traveled with Ratchet to the Ark as previously agreed. But alarmingly, [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] and [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] stood guard outside. What was going on? Buster volunteered to sneak inside to investigate, and in the course of doing so found the severed head of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|The New Order}} Prime told Buster that he was the only hope for the Autobots, understandably confusing the human. Without explanation, Prime told Buster to disconnect two wires from his head and for Buster to apply them to his own temples. Doing so sent a tremendous surge through Buster and rendered him unconscious for a time. When he woke up, he made his way out of the Ark and reunited with Ratchet, who was horrified to learn of Optimus Prime's fate. {{storylink|The Worse of Two Evils!}}

[[Image:Olisten.jpg|left|thumb|250px|]]

Despite promising his father he'd stay out of the Autobots' lives, Buster continued to hang out with Ratchet, if only because both of them needed the emotional support. While traveling through the woods, Ratchet accidentally destroyed the campsite of three college students. Buster introduced his friend to the students, and Ratchet was happy to learn more about Earth from them, but their interaction was cut short when Buster had a strange seizure. Ratchet offered to drive Buster home, but Buster refused, saying he'd stay with the college kids and noting that Ratchet had more important things to worry about. Buster returned to his father's auto service garage with his friends Jesse and "O," since his father's absence was becoming prolonged and someone needed to continue the family business. When Jesse joked that it'd be easy for someone as smart as Buster to figure out how to repair cars, Buster snapped at them both for belittling his father's skills. Angry, he asked them to leave. {{storylink|Warrior School!}}

Sparkplug had been in the hospital for three weeks, and Buster was at wit's end with the irate customers who needed their cars repaired. Just as he was grousing about his mechanical ignorance again, suddenly, the seizures returned, but this time with a purpose. Buster had an epiphany, and as mechanical parts levitated around him in the garage, he suddenly knew exactly how to fix the service station's cars. {{storylink|DIS-Integrated Circuits!}} Finally, Sparkplug was released from the hospital, only to find that his son had miraculously fixed all the cars during his absence. After being overjoyed at his son's apparent following in his footsteps, Sparkplug left Buster alone to wonder about how this all was possible. {{storylink|The Next Best Thing to Being There!}}

[[Image:Jetfireconstruct.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Yeah, but is it art?]]

Soon, Sparkplug was bringing his son along with all of his work-related duties, such as towing cars off the interstate. Buster angsted about how to tell his father that he never learned how to fix cars the old-fashioned way, but that he had somehow acquired the power to understand and telekinetically manipulate machines of any kind. It must have had something to do with the wires that Optimus Prime had asked him to touch to his temples... Meanwhile, the Decepticon [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] came to the same conclusion, and, desiring the life-giving powers of the [[Creation Matrix]] within Buster for himself, sent [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] and a lifeless drone, [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]], to kidnap him.

Buster was surprised to see Jesse arrive at their home on her bicycle, especially after he'd yelled at her the other day. His dad dismissed Buster from his duties so the two could spend time together, and the pair bicycled away. As Jesse and Buster biked, Buster sensed that Jesse was avoiding discussing their previous argument, and so he used his Creation Matrix powers to unlink her bike's chain. Sure enough, this broke the ice, and the two apologized. And then they [[kiss|"apologized."]] Their snogging was interrupted by (d'oh!) Buster's father and two Autobots, Bumblebee and [[Bluestreak (G1)|Bluestreak]], who came to warn them that Buster was being targeted by the Decepticons. Sure enough, Laserbeak and Jetfire arrived and overwhelmed the Autobots. Bumblebee goaded Buster into revealing his hidden power, and at the last moment, Buster used the Creation Matrix to disassemble Jetfire into his component pieces. Buster apologized to his father for deceiving him, and the Autobots enlisted him to help find Optimus Prime's head. Buster reassembled Jetfire and took him under his control. {{storylink|Brainstorm!}}

After an attempt to infiltrate [[Blackrock Aerospace Assembly Plant Number One|Shockwave's base]] to rescue Prime's head backfired, Buster was captured, only to eventually regain control of Jetfire and free Prime. {{storylink|Prime Time!}}

''After passing the Matrix back to Prime, Wheeljack and Ratchet built a [[battlesuit|robotic exosuit]] for him, much to Prime's disapproval. In an attempt to prove himself, Buster took the suit and went to the [[Fortress Sinister|Decepticon Fortress]] and managed to defeat [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] in battle. Unfortunately he was then attacked and pursued by Shockwave. Only the intervention of the Autobots saved his life.'' {{storylink|Robot Buster!}}

[[Image:BusterCU.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Hmmm. I have some kind of fuzz on my chin. That's never happened before...]]
''Buster found himself plagued by dreams in which he encountered a new breed of Transformers. Linking minds with Optimus Prime, it was revealed that the Matrix had left an imprint in his mind of the [[Special Teams]], next generation of combining Transformers. The Decepticons had managed to eavesdrop on the vision and so the designs were also revealed to then.'' {{storylink|Devastation Derby!}} {{storylink|Second Generation!}}

''Jetfire later approached Buster, who he felt able to talk to because of the part Buster had played in his creation. A number of errors in judgement had caused him to become concerned that because he had been created on Earth he had a greater loyalty to humans than to the Autobots. Buster was able to convince him that he should be proud to be the first Earth-born Autobot.'' {{storylink|The Gift}}

Buster would later play a major role in disabling [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]]'s plan to hypnotize humans into giving fuel to the Decepticons via a chain of car washes (yes, really). {{storylink|Buster Witwicky and the Car Wash of Doom}} He was also taken hostage by Ratbat in order to prevent the US military from attacking the Decepticons' base (at the time, a starship disguised as a tropical island). {{storylink|Club Con!}}

Buster's adventures with the Transformers ended soon thereafter, though his brother Spike would play a large role in the Autobot/Decepticon war as well, much to the dismay of Sparkplug (who, understandably, wanted nothing to do with the Transformers any more). It didn't help that when the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] found Buster, [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] had left him freezing in the [[Arctic]], as bait for a three-way fight between the Autobots, Ratbat's Decepticons, and [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s Decepticons. Buster's brother Spike, and Spike's partner [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] defrosted Buster, who then told Ratbat that Starscream tricked them all, and everyone took off after Starscream- and went straight into a fight against an [[Underbase]]-powered Starscream. During the fight, Buster almost froze to death, "accidentally" told Starscream that Prime launched a rocket to the Underbase (the message was "meant" for his brother Spike), was caught in a later firefight between Ratbat and Scorponok, and nearly broke his hand on [[Hi-Q]]'s helmet. {{storylink|Dark Star}}

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====Generation 2====
[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] recalled years later how Buster had fended off Ratbat in the Carwash of Doom as part of an inspirational speech to Optimus Prime. {{storylink|War Without End!}}

====''Classics''====
{{classicsnote}}
[[Image:Invasion-Radcontrolroom.jpg|right|thumb|250px|He dropped the pink shirt and grew a mullet. Somehow, he's even more Eighties than before.]]

Decades later in [[2012]], Buster was stationed with several Autobots in [[Canada]] within the ''[[Ark II]]''. He was present one day when [[Rad]] reported from the [[Ironworks]] base in [[Oregon]] about a foiled attack by [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Gigatron]] and his Decepticons. {{storylink|Invasion (issue)|Invasion}}

{{-}}

====''Regeneration One''====
During Hot Rod's journey through space and time he finds himself on Earth during the early part of Megatron's conquest of the planet. Buster is shown fleeing with Jessie from the lobotomized Decepticons that make up Megatron's army. Ratbat terminates Buster and Jessie by blowing up the car wash they had taken refuge in. {{storylink|Less Than Zero}}

===Coloring books===
As an adult in the year 2005, Buster had married Jesse and together they bought up their son [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel]]. The latter hung out with the Autobots a lot, which his parents were fine with. However, when the Autobots planned a search for a lost crate of energon cubes, Buster and Jesse drew the line and forbade their son to go along. {{storylink|The Lost Treasure of Cybertron}}

===Dreamwave ''Generation 1'' comics===
{{notekeepers}}
Buster took the death of his father hard. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 1|Prime Directive #1}} ''Following the death, Buster racked up enormous gambling debts, which Spike ended up having to pay off. {{storylink|Transformers: Hardwired|Hardwired}}'' Buster subsequently joined the military. {{storylink|Lost and Found (issue)|Lost and Found}}

==Notes==
* "Buster" and "Spike", as well as "[[Butch Witwicky (G1)|Butch]]", were all names considered for the Witwicky boy character in early production material. One such early document shows Spike as the original name, but crossed off and corrected with "Buster" in pen (in [[Bob Budiansky]]'s handwriting). According to [[Jim Shooter]], who claims to have created the name "Spike", the change to "Buster" had been mandated by the cartoon producers because it sounded less aggressive.<ref>[http://www.jimshooter.com/2011/06/secret-origin-of-transformers-part-2.html "The Secret Origin of the TRANSFORMERS – Part 2" post] on [http://www.jimshooter.com Jim Shooter's blog]</ref> The fact that they ended up using "Spike" in the cartoon anyway is, Jim says, "typical."<ref>[http://www.jimshooter.com/2011/06/secret-origin-of-transformers-part-2.html?showComment=1308784677556#c8836528668786836782 Followup post by Shooter]</ref> It is believed that "Butch" was a very, very early name for the character; see [[Butch Witwicky (G1)|Butch Witwicky]] for a more in-depth explanation.

===Foreign names===
*''Portuguese:'' '''Giga Witwicky''' (Portugal comics), '''Buster Centelha''' (Brazil comics)

==References==
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Less Than Zero

2013-09-18T21:53:58Z

Altercron: /* Transformers references */

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|title="Less Than Zero"
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|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[September 18]], [[2013]]
|coverdate=August 2013
|writer=[[Simon Furman]]
|artist=[[Casey Coller]] (pages 1 & 22), [[Geoff Senior]] (pages 2-6), [[Nick Roche]] (pages 17-21)
|penciler=[[Jeff Anderson]] (pages 7-11), [[José Delbo]] (pages 12-16)
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'''From Zero Space, Hot Rod looks in on four key moments from all across time, leading him to an incredible transformation.'''

==Synopsis==

Set adrift in [[Zero Space]], the void that exists at the end of creation where all of time has collapsed to a single point, Hot Rod is barely able to keep his thoughts coherent as he tumbles through the emptiness. Then, inexplicably, ground solidifies beneath his feet: ground that Hot Rod's data-files identify as that of [[Colorado|Denver, Colorado]], over twenty years in his relative past, at the time of the [[Autobot]]s' battle with the [[Deathbringer (Marvel)|Deathbringer]]. Though he was not present for the battle originally, Hot Rod is aware of the creature's history as a medical mechanoid warped by the power of the [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]], and watches as the battle plays out according to history, with [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] acquiring the information that allows [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] to turn the creature's prime directive back upon it, convincing it to kill itself. But after the battle is done and the Autobots have departed, Hot Rod waits, and in time, discovers that the fragment of corrupted Matrix energy within the Deathbringer was not destroyed, and still lives...

Next, Hot Rod is whisked to [[Nova Cronum]] during the pre-war days of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], and observes as a Transformer who he has never heard of, identifying himself as [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] meets with the High Circuitmaster [[Boltax (G1)|Boltax]] and three other members of a "Brain Trust". These five, dubbed the "five greatest minds" on the planet by Boltax, are uploading their combined knowledge into a database they call the [[Underbase]]—but Jhiaxus, tired of Cybertron's policy of isolationism, takes control of the process and "slays" the others' mental projections, incapacitating them. Before they can recover, Jhiaxus obtains from the Underbase the data he requires to begin the creation of a cosmic empire, then erases all memory of himself from his fellows' minds and all other records.

In another whirl of nothingness, Hot Rod finds himself back on Earth, during the opening stages of [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]]'s conquest of the planet. As the [[zombie]] "Ex-Bots" devastate a busy highway, [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster]] and [[Jesse (G1)|Jessie]] Witwicky try to escape in their car, but are pursued. Buster has Jessie call [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]] in hopes of calling upon the help of [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]], but the dejected Spike does not pick up the phone. Taking cover in a car wash, the pair are hunted down by [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] and slain. Hot Rod has only a moment to wonder if the takeaway from this vision is the loss of Buster, or the present situation of Spike, before he is again pulled away across the void...

...and lands on an unfamiliar [[Junkion (planet)|world of junk]], which Hot Rod's painful landing indicates is a lot more tangible than the other locales he had visited. Following the sound of an explosion nearby, Hot Rod discovers the crashed remains of an Autobot shuttle of a design he does not recognize and its crew, and watches as [[Galvatron II|Galvatron]] battles another version of ''himself'', transfigured by the power of the Matrix into "Rodimus Prime". Recalling [[Primus]]'s words that he "is Prime", Hot Rod believes that what he is seeing is his own destiny, be it the future or some parallel reality, and calls out a warning to his other self as [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] fly in on the attack. Rodimus Prime hears and turns in amazement, but is struck by the Decepticons' blasts, which break the chain holding the Matrix around his neck and send it flying. As Galvatron delivers the killing shot to Rodimus's fallen form, Hot Rod reaches out to touch the Matrix...

On the bridge of the ''[[Warworld]]'', [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] turns from the fallen [[Kup (G1)|Kup]], his attention caught by a flash of light behind him. Hot Rod has returned to his home time, and introduces himself to the Decepticon with the new name the Matrix has given him: now, he has become Rodimus Prime!

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==Quotes==

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===

*The first of this issue's four sections tells the story of the Autobots' battle with the Deathbringer, which was alluded to in [[Dark Creation|issue #65]]. That issue was itself referring to the two-part "[[Deathbringer (issue)|Deathbringer]]" story published in the Marvel UK series, in which the full battle was told in detail; this was the biggest allusion any of the US stories made to the UK material, but since ''Regeneration One'' has been established as ''not'' counting the UK stories for its continuity, this fills that storytelling gap in. Everything is functionally identical to the UK story, including some very similar and paraphrased dialogue.
*Boltax and the Underbase were introduced in [[The Flames of Boltax!|issue #48]], while Jhiaxus (who has put in some cameo appearances in ''Regeneration One'' up until now) debuted in the ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|Generation 2]]'' comic. An important distinction between the two depictions of Jhiaxus is introduced: in ''Generation 2'', the modern day Transformers were not aware of his existence because he was not created until they left Cybertron, but here, he did exist before then, and has erased all knowledge of himself from all records.
*Buster intimates that he and Jessie got married some time between their last appearances during the [[Underbase Saga]] and now.

===Transformers references===

*The first and third sections of this issue, drawn by regular Marvel US contributors Geoff Senior and Jose Delbo, are colored in the classic Marvel comics style of Nel Yomtov, complete with faux [[Wikipedia:Ben-Day dots|Ben-Day dots]] and block-colored crowds.
*The second section, illustrated by Marvel UK alumnus Jeff Anderson, is rendered in a painted watercolor style, like that used by the first ninety-or-so issues of the Marvel UK series, with particular inspiration drawn from [[Tony Jozwiak]]'s work on "[[Target: 2006]]".
*The fourth section depicts an alternate version of the shuttle crash on Junkion portion of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' (a work which was, of course, a huge influence on the UK series). In keeping with this, the coloring recreates the look of the movie's animation, with bold, cel-shaded figures and painted-looking backgrounds; Rodimus is even colored in his cartoon color scheme (see also Errors, below), while Galvatron remains in his Marvel colors. Furman has [http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2013/08/26/script-wrap-regeneration-one-94/#comment-8921 noted] that this section is set in the alternate "[[Rhythms of Darkness!]]" timeline, but it contradicts that story on some points (such as the manners in which Kup and Rodimus die).
*Furthering this animated connection in the fourth section of the story, present among the deceased shuttle crew is [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]], who does not exist in Marvel US continuity; she is the only one Hot Rod does not name, because he doesn't know her
*Throughout all four sections, Hot Rod remains colored in the standard modern style of ''Regeneration One'', as he's merely a traveler and not an occupant of those times.
*Nova Cronum was a Cybertronian polity introduced in [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]]'s ''[[Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages|War Within: The Dark Ages]]'' series.
*Buster perishing in a car wash by Ratbat's hands alludes to their previous battle in such a locale, in the infamous issue #31, "[[Buster Witwicky and the Car Wash of Doom]]".
*On Cover B the car Buster and Jessie are fleeing the Decepti-Zombies in has T2006 UK on the tag, a reference to "[[Target: 2006]]".

===Real world-references===
*This issue is named for the [[Wikipedia: Less Than Zero (song)|Elvis Costello song of the same name]].

===Errors===
*In the first panel he appears in, Rodimus Prime has a red boot, in accordance with his Marvel character model, but in all others—including the final page appearance by "our" Rodimus—his boots are grey, as in the cartoon.

===Covers (3)===
*'''Cover A:''' Jhiaxus mentally attacks Boltax, by [[Andrew Wildman]] and [[Jason Cardy]].
*'''Cover B:''' Buster and Jessie flee the Ex-Bots, by [[Guido Guidi]].
*'''Cover RI:''' Galvatron destroys Ultra Magnus on Junkion, by [[Geoff Senior]] and [[Josh Burcham]].
*'''Cover RE:''' Megatron and the Decepticons in front of the [[Wikipedia: Halifax Town Clock|Town Clock]] in [[Wikipedia:Halifax Regional Municipality|Halifax, Nova Scotia]]. Exclusive to [http://www.giantrobotcomics.com/ Giant Robot Comics] (who are based in Halifax), by Casey Coller and John-Paul Bove.
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Talk:Less Than Zero

2013-09-18T21:20:02Z

Altercron:

I gotta say, if Furman intended the fourth section to be in Rhythms of Darkness continuity, he sure didn't do a great job of it. We see how Kup and Rodimus die in RoD, and it's not compatible with what we see here. Kup is standing right next to Blurr as the two get incinerated by Scourge and Cyclonus, for example, and here Blurr is no where to be seen. Likewise, Rodimus is not torn apart by Galvatron's bare hands as we see in RoD. There's also no indication that any of these RoD flashbacks took place anywhere but Earth.

The idea that the fourth section takes place in an alternate 2005 Planet of Junk battle is a much stronger one supported by the actual script and art, regardless of what Furman said. The art is colored like the animated movie, as is mentioned, and what occurs is contrary to the few things we know about RoD's continuity. Dismissing this interpretation
as "fanwank" is pretty damn insulting. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:14, 18 September 2013 (EDT)
:I agree. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 16:35, 18 September 2013 (EDT)
::Heck, it can be both. I mean, it's quite clearly supposed to be an alternate version of the shuttle crash, but it can be the version of the shuttle crash that went down in the RoD timeline. I guess it just retcons the original story a bit to pluck the TFTM strings. I ''thought'' when I was reading it that it was maybe supposed to be the RoD timeline, but felt it didn't quite fit. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:45, 18 September 2013 (EDT)
::Agreed. I've only read RoD once (and it was hastily read in the bookstore flipping through a TPB) but this didn't seem to quite fit for me either. But the mighty Furman say's it's so, so.... --[[User:Altercron|Altercron]] 16:52, 18 September 2013 (EDT)
:I added a note under Transformers References about Cover B if I put it in the wrong section my bad. --[[User:Altercron|Altercron]]16:34, 18 September 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Less Than Zero

2013-09-18T20:52:56Z

Altercron:

I gotta say, if Furman intended the fourth section to be in Rhythms of Darkness continuity, he sure didn't do a great job of it. We see how Kup and Rodimus die in RoD, and it's not compatible with what we see here. Kup is standing right next to Blurr as the two get incinerated by Scourge and Cyclonus, for example, and here Blurr is no where to be seen. Likewise, Rodimus is not torn apart by Galvatron's bare hands as we see in RoD. There's also no indication that any of these RoD flashbacks took place anywhere but Earth.

The idea that the fourth section takes place in an alternate 2005 Planet of Junk battle is a much stronger one supported by the actual script and art, regardless of what Furman said. The art is colored like the animated movie, as is mentioned, and what occurs is contrary to the few things we know about RoD's continuity. Dismissing this interpretation
as "fanwank" is pretty damn insulting. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:14, 18 September 2013 (EDT)
:I agree. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 16:35, 18 September 2013 (EDT)
::Heck, it can be both. I mean, it's quite clearly supposed to be an alternate version of the shuttle crash, but it can be the version of the shuttle crash that went down in the RoD timeline. I guess it just retcons the original story a bit to pluck the TFTM strings. I ''thought'' when I was reading it that it was maybe supposed to be the RoD timeline, but felt it didn't quite fit. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:45, 18 September 2013 (EDT)
::Agreed. I've only read RoD once (and it was hastily read in the bookstore flipping through a TPB, but this didn't seem to quite fit for me either. But the mighty Furman say's it's so, so.... --[[User:Altercron|Altercron]] 16:52, 18 September 2013 (EDT)
:I added a note under Transformers References about Cover B if I put it in the wrong section my bad. --[[User:Altercron|Altercron]]16:34, 18 September 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Less Than Zero

2013-09-18T20:36:55Z

Altercron:

Talk:Less Than Zero

2013-09-18T20:35:04Z

Altercron:

Talk:Less Than Zero

2013-09-18T20:34:48Z

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Talk:Less Than Zero

2013-09-18T20:34:27Z

Altercron:

Less Than Zero

2013-09-18T19:34:07Z

Altercron: /* Transformers references */

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|date=[[September 18]], [[2013]]
|coverdate=August 2013
|writer=[[Simon Furman]]
|artist=[[Casey Coller]] (pages 1 & 22), [[Geoff Senior]] (pages 2-6), [[Nick Roche]] (pages 17-21)
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'''From Zero Space, Hot Rod looks in on four key moments from all across time, leading him to an incredible transformation.'''

==Synopsis==

Set adrift in [[Zero Space]], the void that exists at the end of creation where all of time has collapsed to a single point, Hot Rod is barely able to keep his thoughts coherent as he tumbles through the emptiness. Then, inexplicably, ground solidifies beneath his feet: ground that Hot Rod's data-files identify as that of [[Colorado|Denver, Colorado]], over twenty years in his relative past, at the time of the [[Autobot]]s' battle with the [[Deathbringer (Marvel)|Deathbringer]]. Though he was not present for the battle originally, Hot Rod is aware of the creature's history as a medical mechanoid warped by the power of the [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]], and watches as the battle plays out according to history, with [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] acquiring the information that allows [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] to turn the creature's prime directive back upon it, convincing it to kill itself. But after the battle is done and the Autobots have departed, Hot Rod waits, and in time, discovers that the fragment of corrupted Matrix energy within the Deathbringer was not destroyed, and still lives...

Next, Hot Rod is whisked to [[Nova Cronum]] during the pre-war days of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], and observes as a Transformer who he has never heard of, identifying himself as [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] meets with the High Circuitmaster [[Boltax (G1)|Boltax]] and three other members of a "Brain Trust". These five, dubbed the "five greatest minds" on the planet by Boltax, are uploading their combined knowledge into a database they call the [[Underbase]]—but Jhiaxus, tired of Cybertron's policy of isolationism, takes control of the process and "slays" the others' mental projections, incapacitating them. Before they can recover, Jhiaxus obtains from the Underbase the data he requires to begin the creation of a cosmic empire, then erases all memory of himself from his fellows' minds and all other records.

In another whirl of nothingness, Hot Rod finds himself back on Earth, during the opening stages of [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]]'s conquest of the planet. As the [[zombie]] "Ex-Bots" devastate a busy highway, [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster]] and [[Jesse (G1)|Jessie]] Witwicky try to escape in their car, but are pursued. Buster has Jessie call [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]] in hopes of calling upon the help of [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]], but the dejected Spike does not pick up the phone. Taking cover in a car wash, the pair are hunted down by [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] and slain. Hot Rod has only a moment to wonder if the takeaway from this vision is the loss of Buster, or the present situation of Spike, before he is again pulled away across the void...

...and lands on an unfamiliar [[Junkion (planet)|world of junk]], which Hot Rod's painful landing indicates is a lot more tangible than the other locales he had visited. Following the sound of an explosion nearby, Hot Rod discovers the crashed remains of an Autobot shuttle of a design he does not recognize and its crew, and watches as [[Galvatron II|Galvatron]] battles another version of ''himself'', transfigured by the power of the Matrix into "Rodimus Prime". Recalling [[Primus]]'s words that he "is Prime", Hot Rod believes that what he is seeing is his own destiny, be it the future or some parallel reality, and calls out a warning to his other self as [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] fly in on the attack. Rodimus Prime hears and turns in amazement, but is struck by the Decepticons' blasts, which break the chain holding the Matrix around his neck and send it flying. As Galvatron delivers the killing shot to Rodimus's fallen form, Hot Rod reaches out to touch the Matrix...

On the bridge of the ''[[Warworld]]'', [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] turns from the fallen [[Kup (G1)|Kup]], his attention caught by a flash of light behind him. Hot Rod has returned to his home time, and introduces himself to the Decepticon with the new name the Matrix has given him: now, he has become Rodimus Prime!

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*A Stunticon? (18)
*[[Conehead]] (19)
*[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (20)
*[[Bugly]] (21)
*[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (23)
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==Quotes==

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===

*The first of this issue's four sections tells the story of the Autobots' battle with the Deathbringer, which was alluded to in [[Dark Creation|issue #65]]. That issue was itself referring to the two-part "[[Deathbringer (issue)|Deathbringer]]" story published in the Marvel UK series, in which the full battle was told in detail; this was the biggest allusion any of the US stories made to the UK material, but since ''Regeneration One'' has been established as ''not'' counting the UK stories for its continuity, this fills that storytelling gap in. Everything is functionally identical to the UK story, including some very similar and paraphrased dialogue.
*Boltax and the Underbase were introduced in [[The Flames of Boltax!|issue #48]], while Jhiaxus (who has put in some cameo appearances in ''Regeneration One'' up until now) debuted in the ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|Generation 2]]'' comic. An important distinction between the two depictions of Jhiaxus is introduced: in ''Generation 2'', the modern day Transformers were not aware of his existence because he was not created until they left Cybertron, but here, he did exist before then, and has erased all knowledge of himself from all records.
*Buster intimates that he and Jessie got married some time between their last appearances during the [[Underbase Saga]] and now.

===Transformers references===

*The first and third sections of this issue, drawn by regular Marvel US contributors Geoff Senior and Jose Delbo, are colored in the classic Marvel comics style of Nel Yomtov, complete with faux [[Wikipedia:Ben-Day dots|Ben-Day dots]] and block-colored crowds.
*The second section, illustrated by Marvel UK alumnus Jeff Anderson, is rendered in a painted watercolor style, like that used by the first ninety-or-so issues of the Marvel UK series, with particular inspiration drawn from [[Tony Jozwiak]]'s work on "[[Target: 2006]]".
*The fourth section is not based on any part of the Marvel continuity, but rather is an alternate vision of the shuttle crash on Junkion from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' (a work that was itself, of course, a huge influence of the UK comics), in which Kup and Hot Rod were on Magnus's shuttle rather than a second, and in which the emergency separation ploy evidently did not work, as the main body of the shuttle has also crashed on the planet along with the fore-section. As such, the coloring here recreates the look of the animated series, with bold, cel-shaded figures and painted-looking backgrounds. Furthering this animated connection, note the presence of [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] among the deceased shuttle crew, who does not exist in Marvel US continuity; she is the only one Hot Rod does not name, because he doesn't know her.
*Throughout all four sections, Hot Rod remains colored in the standard modern style of ''Regeneration One'', as he's merely a traveler and not an occupant of those times.
*Nova Cronum was a Cybertronian polity introduced in [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]]'s ''[[Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages|War Within: The Dark Ages]]'' series.
*Buster perishing in a car wash by Ratbat's hands alludes to their previous battle in such a locale, in the infamous issue #31, "[[Buster Witwicky and the Car Wash of Doom]]".
*On Cover B the car Buster and Jessie are fleeing the Decepti-Zombies in has T2006 UK on the tag, a reference to "[[Target: 2006]]".

===Real world-references===
*This issue is named for the [[Wikipedia: Less Than Zero (song)|Elvis Costello song of the same name]].

===Errors===
*In the first panel he appears in, Rodimus Prime has a red boot, in accordance with his Marvel character model, but in all others—including the final page appearance by "our" Rodimus—his boots are grey, as in the cartoon.

===Covers (3)===
*'''Cover A:''' Jhiaxus mentally attacks Boltax, by [[Andrew Wildman]] and [[Jason Cardy]].
*'''Cover B:''' Buster and Jessie flee the Ex-Bots, by [[Guido Guidi]].
*'''Cover RI:''' Galvatron destroys Ultra Magnus on Junkion, by [[Geoff Senior]] and [[Josh Burcham]].
*'''Cover RE:''' Megatron and the Decepticons in front of the [[Wikipedia: Halifax Town Clock|Town Clock]] in [[Wikipedia:Halifax Regional Municipality|Halifax, Nova Scotia]]. Exclusive to [http://www.giantrobotcomics.com/ Giant Robot Comics] (who are based in Halifax), by Casey Coller and John-Paul Bove.
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Less Than Zero

2013-09-18T19:33:23Z

Altercron: /* Transformers references */

{{Comicstory|
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|prev=Destiny, Part Four
|next=Destiny, Part Five
|title="Less Than Zero"
|image=RG1 0 cvrB.jpg
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|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[September 18]], [[2013]]
|coverdate=August 2013
|writer=[[Simon Furman]]
|artist=[[Casey Coller]] (pages 1 & 22), [[Geoff Senior]] (pages 2-6), [[Nick Roche]] (pages 17-21)
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|letterer=[[Chris Mowry]]
|editor=[[John Barber]]
|continuity=[[Marvel Comics continuity]]
}}

'''From Zero Space, Hot Rod looks in on four key moments from all across time, leading him to an incredible transformation.'''

==Synopsis==

Set adrift in [[Zero Space]], the void that exists at the end of creation where all of time has collapsed to a single point, Hot Rod is barely able to keep his thoughts coherent as he tumbles through the emptiness. Then, inexplicably, ground solidifies beneath his feet: ground that Hot Rod's data-files identify as that of [[Colorado|Denver, Colorado]], over twenty years in his relative past, at the time of the [[Autobot]]s' battle with the [[Deathbringer (Marvel)|Deathbringer]]. Though he was not present for the battle originally, Hot Rod is aware of the creature's history as a medical mechanoid warped by the power of the [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]], and watches as the battle plays out according to history, with [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] acquiring the information that allows [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] to turn the creature's prime directive back upon it, convincing it to kill itself. But after the battle is done and the Autobots have departed, Hot Rod waits, and in time, discovers that the fragment of corrupted Matrix energy within the Deathbringer was not destroyed, and still lives...

Next, Hot Rod is whisked to [[Nova Cronum]] during the pre-war days of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], and observes as a Transformer who he has never heard of, identifying himself as [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] meets with the High Circuitmaster [[Boltax (G1)|Boltax]] and three other members of a "Brain Trust". These five, dubbed the "five greatest minds" on the planet by Boltax, are uploading their combined knowledge into a database they call the [[Underbase]]—but Jhiaxus, tired of Cybertron's policy of isolationism, takes control of the process and "slays" the others' mental projections, incapacitating them. Before they can recover, Jhiaxus obtains from the Underbase the data he requires to begin the creation of a cosmic empire, then erases all memory of himself from his fellows' minds and all other records.

In another whirl of nothingness, Hot Rod finds himself back on Earth, during the opening stages of [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]]'s conquest of the planet. As the [[zombie]] "Ex-Bots" devastate a busy highway, [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster]] and [[Jesse (G1)|Jessie]] Witwicky try to escape in their car, but are pursued. Buster has Jessie call [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]] in hopes of calling upon the help of [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]], but the dejected Spike does not pick up the phone. Taking cover in a car wash, the pair are hunted down by [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] and slain. Hot Rod has only a moment to wonder if the takeaway from this vision is the loss of Buster, or the present situation of Spike, before he is again pulled away across the void...

...and lands on an unfamiliar [[Junkion (planet)|world of junk]], which Hot Rod's painful landing indicates is a lot more tangible than the other locales he had visited. Following the sound of an explosion nearby, Hot Rod discovers the crashed remains of an Autobot shuttle of a design he does not recognize and its crew, and watches as [[Galvatron II|Galvatron]] battles another version of ''himself'', transfigured by the power of the Matrix into "Rodimus Prime". Recalling [[Primus]]'s words that he "is Prime", Hot Rod believes that what he is seeing is his own destiny, be it the future or some parallel reality, and calls out a warning to his other self as [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] fly in on the attack. Rodimus Prime hears and turns in amazement, but is struck by the Decepticons' blasts, which break the chain holding the Matrix around his neck and send it flying. As Galvatron delivers the killing shot to Rodimus's fallen form, Hot Rod reaches out to touch the Matrix...

On the bridge of the ''[[Warworld]]'', [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] turns from the fallen [[Kup (G1)|Kup]], his attention caught by a flash of light behind him. Hot Rod has returned to his home time, and introduces himself to the Decepticon with the new name the Matrix has given him: now, he has become Rodimus Prime!

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*[[Siren]] (11)
*[[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] (12)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] (24)
*[[Kup (G1)|Kup]] (25)
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*[[Octane]] (16)
*[[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]] (17)
*A Stunticon? (18)
*[[Conehead]] (19)
*[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (20)
*[[Bugly]] (21)
*[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (23)
*[[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] (29)
*[[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] (30)
*[[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] (31)

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*[[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] (7)
*"Brain Trust" member #3 (13)
*[[Decanus]] (14)
*"Brain Trust" member #5 (15)
*[[Primus]]/[[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] (28)
}}

==Quotes==

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===

*The first of this issue's four sections tells the story of the Autobots' battle with the Deathbringer, which was alluded to in [[Dark Creation|issue #65]]. That issue was itself referring to the two-part "[[Deathbringer (issue)|Deathbringer]]" story published in the Marvel UK series, in which the full battle was told in detail; this was the biggest allusion any of the US stories made to the UK material, but since ''Regeneration One'' has been established as ''not'' counting the UK stories for its continuity, this fills that storytelling gap in. Everything is functionally identical to the UK story, including some very similar and paraphrased dialogue.
*Boltax and the Underbase were introduced in [[The Flames of Boltax!|issue #48]], while Jhiaxus (who has put in some cameo appearances in ''Regeneration One'' up until now) debuted in the ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|Generation 2]]'' comic. An important distinction between the two depictions of Jhiaxus is introduced: in ''Generation 2'', the modern day Transformers were not aware of his existence because he was not created until they left Cybertron, but here, he did exist before then, and has erased all knowledge of himself from all records.
*Buster intimates that he and Jessie got married some time between their last appearances during the [[Underbase Saga]] and now.

===Transformers references===

*The first and third sections of this issue, drawn by regular Marvel US contributors Geoff Senior and Jose Delbo, are colored in the classic Marvel comics style of Nel Yomtov, complete with faux [[Wikipedia:Ben-Day dots|Ben-Day dots]] and block-colored crowds.
*The second section, illustrated by Marvel UK alumnus Jeff Anderson, is rendered in a painted watercolor style, like that used by the first ninety-or-so issues of the Marvel UK series, with particular inspiration drawn from [[Tony Jozwiak]]'s work on "[[Target: 2006]]".
*The fourth section is not based on any part of the Marvel continuity, but rather is an alternate vision of the shuttle crash on Junkion from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' (a work that was itself, of course, a huge influence of the UK comics), in which Kup and Hot Rod were on Magnus's shuttle rather than a second, and in which the emergency separation ploy evidently did not work, as the main body of the shuttle has also crashed on the planet along with the fore-section. As such, the coloring here recreates the look of the animated series, with bold, cel-shaded figures and painted-looking backgrounds. Furthering this animated connection, note the presence of [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] among the deceased shuttle crew, who does not exist in Marvel US continuity; she is the only one Hot Rod does not name, because he doesn't know her.
*Throughout all four sections, Hot Rod remains colored in the standard modern style of ''Regeneration One'', as he's merely a traveler and not an occupant of those times.
*Nova Cronum was a Cybertronian polity introduced in [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]]'s ''[[Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages|War Within: The Dark Ages]]'' series.
*Buster perishing in a car wash by Ratbat's hands alludes to their previous battle in such a locale, in the infamous issue #31, "[[Buster Witwicky and the Car Wash of Doom]]".
*On Cover B the car Buster and Jessie are fleeing the Decepti-Zombies in has T2006 UK on the tag, a reference to Target:2006.

===Real world-references===
*This issue is named for the [[Wikipedia: Less Than Zero (song)|Elvis Costello song of the same name]].

===Errors===
*In the first panel he appears in, Rodimus Prime has a red boot, in accordance with his Marvel character model, but in all others—including the final page appearance by "our" Rodimus—his boots are grey, as in the cartoon.

===Covers (3)===
*'''Cover A:''' Jhiaxus mentally attacks Boltax, by [[Andrew Wildman]] and [[Jason Cardy]].
*'''Cover B:''' Buster and Jessie flee the Ex-Bots, by [[Guido Guidi]].
*'''Cover RI:''' Galvatron destroys Ultra Magnus on Junkion, by [[Geoff Senior]] and [[Josh Burcham]].
*'''Cover RE:''' Megatron and the Decepticons in front of the [[Wikipedia: Halifax Town Clock|Town Clock]] in [[Wikipedia:Halifax Regional Municipality|Halifax, Nova Scotia]]. Exclusive to [http://www.giantrobotcomics.com/ Giant Robot Comics] (who are based in Halifax), by Casey Coller and John-Paul Bove.
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Talk:Laserbeak (WFC)

2013-05-30T18:23:19Z

Altercron: /* Minicon or Deployer */

==Ratbat==
Should it be noted that in [[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)]], Laserbeak bears a striking resemblance to [[Ratbat (G1)]]?[[User:XxxOUTBURSTxxx|XxxOUTBURSTxxx]] 00:18, 20 March 2012 (EDT)
: No, because that's not true. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:24, 20 March 2012 (EDT)
::Sorry, I misstated what I wanted to say. I tried to say that he looks like a bat, not that he specifically lookds lika Ratbat.[[User:XxxOUTBURSTxxx|XxxOUTBURSTxxx]] 22:45, 20 March 2012 (EDT)
::: He doesn't really look like a bat, either. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:01, 20 March 2012 (EDT)
:::: Frankly the first time I saw him on the show I thought "Ratbat" myself, but then again Walky's right - sorta batlike in a vague sort of way (mostly the middle, larger wings), though there aren't a lot of headless, 6 winged bats either I don't think. --[[Special:Contributions/72.215.154.250|72.215.154.250]] 14:52, 4 April 2012 (EDT)

== Cartoon Look ==

Shouldn't the picture on top of the page be changed to a photo of his cartoon look? All the other characters have.
:You're absolutely right. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:21, 25 May 2012 (EDT)

== Beast Hunters figure ==

I saw the Beast Hunters Laserbeak in Toys-R-Us today but didn't get a chance to pick it up. Any info on this guy, other than "he turns into a dragony thing"? Series number, accessories, etc.? --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 10:58, 24 December 2012 (EST)
:I'm pretty sure what you saw was [[Lazerback]], man. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:00, 24 December 2012 (EST)
:: ....AaaaAAAAAH. This is going to be Thunderclash all over again. Thanks anyway. --10:37, 28 December 2012 (EST)

== Minicon or Deployer ==
Laserbeak has the Minicon insignia at the top corner of the article identifying him as such, but in the article itself, he is referred to as both a minicon and a deployer. Perhaps I'm just missing something that may or may not have already been discussed, but some clarification would be nice. Also, Laserbeak is linked to on both the Deployer (Prime) article and the Minicon article, but Ravage (included with the Beast Hunters Soundwave toy, is only linked to in the Deployer article. [[User:Altercron|Altercron]] 10:57, 30 May 2013 (EDT)
:He is both. Exodus referred to Soundwave's minions as being Mini-Cons who are Deployers that Soundwave uses. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 14:09, 30 May 2013 (EDT)
::Ah that makes sense, thanks. [[User:Altercron|Altercron]] 14:23, 30 May 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Laserbeak (WFC)

2013-05-30T15:01:30Z

Altercron: /* Minicon or Deployer */

Talk:Laserbeak (WFC)

2013-05-30T14:57:44Z

Altercron:

==Ratbat==
Should it be noted that in [[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)]], Laserbeak bears a striking resemblance to [[Ratbat (G1)]]?[[User:XxxOUTBURSTxxx|XxxOUTBURSTxxx]] 00:18, 20 March 2012 (EDT)
: No, because that's not true. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:24, 20 March 2012 (EDT)
::Sorry, I misstated what I wanted to say. I tried to say that he looks like a bat, not that he specifically lookds lika Ratbat.[[User:XxxOUTBURSTxxx|XxxOUTBURSTxxx]] 22:45, 20 March 2012 (EDT)
::: He doesn't really look like a bat, either. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:01, 20 March 2012 (EDT)
:::: Frankly the first time I saw him on the show I thought "Ratbat" myself, but then again Walky's right - sorta batlike in a vague sort of way (mostly the middle, larger wings), though there aren't a lot of headless, 6 winged bats either I don't think. --[[Special:Contributions/72.215.154.250|72.215.154.250]] 14:52, 4 April 2012 (EDT)

== Cartoon Look ==

Shouldn't the picture on top of the page be changed to a photo of his cartoon look? All the other characters have.
:You're absolutely right. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:21, 25 May 2012 (EDT)

== Beast Hunters figure ==

I saw the Beast Hunters Laserbeak in Toys-R-Us today but didn't get a chance to pick it up. Any info on this guy, other than "he turns into a dragony thing"? Series number, accessories, etc.? --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 10:58, 24 December 2012 (EST)
:I'm pretty sure what you saw was [[Lazerback]], man. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:00, 24 December 2012 (EST)
:: ....AaaaAAAAAH. This is going to be Thunderclash all over again. Thanks anyway. --10:37, 28 December 2012 (EST)

== Minicon or Deployer ==
Laserbeak has the Minicon insignia at the top corner of the article identifying him as such, but in the article itself, he is referred to as both a minicon and a deployer. Perhaps I'm just missing something that may or may not have already been discussed, but some clarification would be nice. [[User:Altercron|Altercron]] 10:57, 30 May 2013 (EDT)

MediaWiki:TFWiki.net 2013 Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions/Entries

2013-05-29T23:15:58Z

Altercron: /* Poll entries */

This is the page for the '''TFWiki.net Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions''' entries. The rules are as follows:

#You must pick your top five ''Transformers'' characters, from any era. They must actually '''be''' Transformers; sorry, but no humans, non-Transformer aliens, non-Transformer robots, or anything else of the sort are being considered for the Hall of Fame. Any votes for such entities will '''not''' be tabulated. It is the sole discretion of the contest organizers to decide what does and does not count.
#Take your top five list and '''put it in alphabetical order'''. Order of preference does not matter. Feel free to denote the character's franchise of origin, although these distinctions may or may not figure into the final results.
#You '''cannot''' vote for a specific version of '''Bumblebee, Dinobot, Grimlock, Ironhide, Jazz, Megatron, Optimus Prime, Ratchet, Shockwave, Soundwave, Starscream, Waspinator, or Wheeljack.''' They've already been inducted!
#However, '''you CAN vote''' for '''''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] or [[Optimus Primal]]'''! Hasbro considers them separate!
#Only one entry per user.

Please put your characters of choice and user name below in the following manner:

*Bulkhead, Emirate Xaaron, Side Swipe, Terrorsaur (BW), X-Brawn --(four tildes)

Poll entry period ends at 4pm on '''[[May 31]]st, 2013'''. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:32, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

==Poll entries==


*[[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]], [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]], [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]], [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]] - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:34, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Chromedome, Fortress Maximus, Omega Supreme, Rewind --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 12:35, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Barricade, Devastator, Ravage, Sideways, Ultra Magnus -[[User:LV|LV]] 12:47, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Galvatron, Megatron (BW), Overlord, Sky-Byte, Unicron [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] 12:50, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Bulkhead, Ratbat, Ravage, Rhinox, Wreck-Gar [[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 12:56, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Blurr, BW Megatron, Rattrap, Sky-Byte, Whirl [[User:Fireshot|Fireshot]] 12:59, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Bruticus, Devastator, Primus, Rattrap, Unicron -[[User:Combaticons4ever|Combaticons4ever]] 13:17, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Hot Shot, Menasor, Springer, Tarantulas, Tracks [[User:Phantom_Dusclops'92|Phantom Dusclops'92]] 13:29, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Botanica, Fortress Maximus, Swindle, Swoop, Ultra Magnus - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 13:32, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*[[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee (Prime)]], [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron (Beast Wars)]], [[Rampage (BW)|Rampage (Beast Wars)]], [[Rattrap]], [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle (Animated/G1)]] --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 13:34, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Hound, Ratbat, Sideswipe, Springer, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] 13:50, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Impactor, Scrounge, Straxus, Ultra Magnus, Venom --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:58, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Blackarachnia, Cyclonus, Megatron (BW), Rodimus Prime --[[User:Anguirus|Anguirus]] 14:14, 24 May 2013 (EDT)
*Bruticus, Devastator, Lugnut, Megatron (BW), Tarantulas -- [[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 14:23, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Lugnut, Megatron (BW), Sky-Byte, Swerve, Tarantulas -- [[User:General Tekno|General Tekno]] 14:26, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Buzzsaw, Nightbeat, Prowl, Tarantulas, Thunderwing -- --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 14:30, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Cyclonus, Prowl, Scorponok, Sunstreaker, Swindle - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 14:32, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Drift, Injector, Knock-Out (Prime), Megatron (BW), Tarantulas --[[User:EvoChanger|EvoChanger]] 14:34, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Chromedome, Rodimus, Springer, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Trixter|Trixter]] 14:41, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Hot Shot, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Rodimus, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Amadeus Windfall|Amadeus Windfall]] 14:53, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Megatron (BW), Prowl, Rodimus, Rung. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:54, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Astrotrain, Cosmos, Cyclonus, Omega Supreme, Ultra Magnus --([[User:Pinecronix|Pinecronix]] 14:57, 24 May 2013 (EDT))

*Demolishor (Armada), Hot Shot (Armada), Override (Cybertron), Red Alert (Armada), Sideways (Armada). --[[User:Stardust262|Stardust262]] 15:01, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Barricade, Devastator, Rattrap, Sky-Byte, Ultra Magnus [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 15:06, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Devastator, Omega Supreme, Ravage, Rodimus -- [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 15:09, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Omega Supreme, Prowl, Swindle, Thundercracker, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 15:14, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Cosmos, Prowl, Sky-Byte, Tarantulas, Warpath --[[User:Sockie|Sockie]] 15:16, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Cyclonus, Deszaras, Powered Convoy, Star Saber -- [[User:S-NFS|S-NFS]] 23:22, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

*Cyclonus, Prowl, Sideways, Swoop, Ultra Magnus --[[User:AutoUIMagnus299|AutoUi299]] 15:53, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee (G1), Blades (G1), Punch, Side Burn (RID), Smokescreen (G1) [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 16:00, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Ironfist, Rung, Sari Sumdac, Silverbolt (BW), Teaspoon -- [[User:JediFlaherty|JediFlaherty]] 16:03, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

* Bulkhead, Megatron (BW), Metroplex, Sky-Byte, Wreck-Gar --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:05, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Bulkhead, Omega Supreme, Overlord, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 16:11, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Ironfist, Nightbeat, Smokescreen, Thundercracker, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:Russellestate|Russellestate]] 16:07, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Impactor, Prowl, Ratbat, Rodimus, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:MarkMontag|MarkMontag]] 16:25, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Bulkhead, Sideswipe, Smokescreen, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|Use this!]] 17:03, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Deathsaurus, Megatron (BW), Skywarp, Swindle, Thundercracker -- [[User:Rayqui|Rayqui]] 17:45, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Blackarachnia, Bulkhead, Prowl, Sky-Byte --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:47, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Blackarachnia, Hot Shot, Beast Megatron, Ratbat, Ravage --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:54, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Devastator, Megatron (BW), Sky-Byte, Swindle, Wreck-Gar --[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 17:58, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Devastator, Hot Shot, Megatron(BW), Ravage, Sky-Byte -- [[User:Shellspark|Shellspark]] 18:01, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Knock Out, Ravage, Sky-Byte, Swindle -- [[User:Strangefour|Strangefour]] 18:18, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Airazor, Blackarachnia, Cyclonus, Rattrap, Terrorsaur -- [[User:Bumblevivisector|Bumblevivisector]] 18:23, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Blackarachnia, Bulkhead, Lugnut, Sky Byte -- [[User:Boy Blunderous|Boy Blunderous]] 18:23, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Prowl, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:40, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*[[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee (Prime)]], [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]], [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron (Beast Wars)]], [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]], [[Rattrap]]--[[User:Damo|Damo]] 18:46, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Cheetor, Ginrai, Megatron (Beast Era), Optimus Primal, Thunderwing --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 19:14, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee (Prime),Blitzwing(Animated),Bulkhead (Prime), Megatron (BW),Rihnox (BW)--[[User:Venowtron|Venowtron]] 18:19, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Devastator, Megatron (BW), Swindle, Ultra Magnus --[[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] 19:53, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Blitzwing, Devastator, Predaking, Sky-Byte --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] 19:58, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Bulkhead, Hot Shot, Jetfire, Prowl [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 20:00, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Red Alert (g1), Rewind, Thunderwing, Ultra Magnus--[[User:Autobot Hunter|Autobot Hunter]] 20:10, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Bulkhead, Cheetor, Optimus Primal, Sentinel Prime, Wreck-Gar. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 20:13, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Bulkhead, Prowl, Rodimus Prime, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Ketchup|Ketchup]] 20:16, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Blackarachnia, Blitzwing, Jetfire, Prowl --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:21, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Ironfist, Nightbeat, Skids, Smokescreen, Thundercracker --[[User:Hhall3|Hhall3]] 19:39, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*G1 Hot Spot, G1 Quickmix, G1 Rodimus Prime, G1 Searchlight, G1 Silverbolt - [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] 21:00, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee (Prime), Bulkhead, Hound, Jetfire (G1), Ultra Magnus --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 21:38, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Jetfire, Megatron (BW), Scorponok, Skids -- [[User:Chip|Chip]] 22:03, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Bulkhead, Devastator, Megatron (BW), Ratbat, Ultra Magnus - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 22:32, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Megatronus Prime/The Fallen, Prima, Primus, Unicron, Thunderwing -- [[User:Primus Dave|Primus Dave]] 22:42, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Omega Supreme, Skywarp, Springer, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Diamondmatter|Diamondmatter]] 23:26, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Broadside, Bulkhead, Fortress Maximus, Megatron (BW), Omega Supreme --[[User:ShinRa Actual|ShinRa Actual]] 23:40, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Bulkhead, Fortress Maximus, Ginrai, Star Saber, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Ookalf|Ookalf]] 00:20, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Ravage, Ultra Magnus --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:33, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Megatron (BW), Nemesis Prime, Omega Supreme, Optimus Primal, Vector Prime --[[user:Dinobot III|Dinobot III]] 01:16, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Bruticus, Devestator, Galvatron, Rodimus, Ultra Magnus, --[[user:Japanasaurus Rex|Japanasaurus Rex]] 02:57 24 May 2013 (EDIT)

* Brawl, Bruticus, Prowl, Rotorstorm, Sixshot --[[User:Apoc|Apoc]] 04:10, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Arcee, Kickback, Omega Supreme, Shrapnel, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Ultra Magnus 506|Ultra Magnus 506]] 07:45, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

*Blackarachnia, Chromedome, Megatron (BW), Ravage, Rewind --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 07:50, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

*Blitzwing (Animated), Ironfist, Straxus, Ultra Magnus, Wreck-Gar (Animated) -- [[User:HunterCham|HunterCham]] 08:04, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Blaster, Fortress Maximus, Impactor, Springer, Ultra Magnus [[User:Mister Jazzz|Mister Jazz]] 08:06, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Arcee, Bulkhead, Jetfire, Prowl, Springer [[User:Gryllid|Gryllid]] 08:45, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Drift, Ironfist, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal [[User:Blackjack|Blackjack]] 10:42, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Blaster, Megatron (BW), Rattrap, Red Alert, Wreck-Gar [[User:Stevo|Stevo]] 11:08, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Blaster, Devastator, Springer, Swindle, Ultra Magnus [[User:Spark Mandrill|Spark Mandrill]] 11:41, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Arcee, Blackarachnia, Bruticus, Cheetor, Devastator -- [[User:Chihooaher|Chihooaher]] 11:42, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Blaster, Bludgeon, Cyclonus (G1), Kup, Ultra Magnus--[[User:Starscream0625|Starscream0625]] 11:45, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Arcee (Prime), Blackarachnia, Blitzwing, Megatron (BW), Sky-Byte --[[User:Professor Icepick|Professor Icepick]] 13:21, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Blackarachnia, Cyclonus, Megatron (BW), Rodimus Prime, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Caius|Caius]] 14:26, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

*[[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways (Multiversal Singularity?)]], [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]], [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], [[Unicron]] --[[User:AlephTrion|AlephTrion]] 14:38, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Demolishor, Frenzy, Laserbeak, Ravage, Sideways --[[User:Zorion|Zorion]] 22:46, 25 May 2013 (MSK)

* Bulkhead, Megatron (BW), Rattrap, Sky-Byte, Ultra Magnus --([[User:Barricade64|Barricade64]] 14:51, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Overlord (G1), Ravage, Seaspray, Unicron, Wreck-gar)-- ([[User:Geminia999|Geminia999]] 15:15, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Hot Rod (G1), Lugnut (Animated), Megatron (BW), Sky Byte (RID), Ultra Magnus (G1) --[[User:Blackout_501st|Blackout_501st]] 16:13. 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Blackarachnia, Galvatron, Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime, Hot Shot, Unicron --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 17:04, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Jetfire, Kup, Overlord, Springer, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Astrakhan|Astrakhan]] 17:46, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Astrotrain, Cheetor, Silverbolt (BW), Springer, Swindler (Micromaster Delorean) --[[User:Wheeljack539|Wheeljack539]] 18:12, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Arcee, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Rattrap, Rodimus Prime --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 19:38, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Bulkhead, Megatron (BW), Nightbeat, Overlord, Sky-Byte --[[User:TrentTroop|TrentTroop]] 20:00, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* [[Megatron (BW)]], [[Metroplex]], [[Omega Supreme]], [[Optimus Primal]], [[Unicron]] --[[User:IronVenom|IronVenom]] 20:19, 25 May 2013 (EDIT)

* Arcee, Bulkhead, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Ravage --[[User:Cr85747|Cr85747]] 22:25, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

*Jetfire, Nemis Prime, Rampage (BW), Ravage, Sunstorm --[[User:KWAC|KWAC]] 20:13 May 25 2013 (EDT)

*Lockdown, Ratbat, Rattrap, Sideways, Sky-Byte --[[User:Quickstrike|Quickstrike]] 01:18, 26 May 2013 (EDT)

* Bludgeon, Bugbite, Jhiaxus, Ultra Magnus, Whirl --[[User:Arborday|Arborday]] 01:27, 26 May 2013 (EDT)

* Prowl, Ravage, Sideswipe, Sunstreaker, Thundercracker -- [[User:RagdollDark|Dark]] 09:44, 26 May 2013 (EDT)

* Acid Storm, Air Raid, Brawl, Sky Lynx, Superion -- [[User:Movie09|Movie09]] 12:44, 26 May 2013 (EDT)

* Bludgeon, Cyclonus, Galvatron, Ultra Magnus, Whirl -- [[User: OptimalPrime|OptimalPrime]] 9:46, 26 May (EDT)

* Chromedome, Optimus Primal, Rattrap, Sky-Byte, Ultra Magnus -- [[User: Charles RB|Charles RB]] 00:30, 27 May (GMT)

* Bruticus, Jetfire, Reflector, Sky Lynx, Windcharger -- [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:02, 26 May 2013 (EDT)

* Cyclonus (G1), Lugnut, Megatron (Beast Wars), Swerve (G1), Ultra Magnus (G1) --[[User:Bullycon|Bullycon]] 20:58, 26 May 2013 (EDT)

*Omega Supreme, Ratbat, Springer, Ultra Magnus, Whirl --[[User:transfan20|transfan200]] 22:02, 26 May 2013 (EDT)

*Botanica (BW), Impactor, Megatron (BW), Mirage (G1), Whirl --[[User: BScorpinok75 | BScorpinok75]] 22:35, 26 May 2013 (EDT)

*Blitzwing, Chromedome, Overlord, Rattrap, Whirl --[[User:SamuraiMarmoset | SamuraiMarmoset]] 24:12, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

* Arcee, Prowl, Springer, Swerve, Rumble --[[User:Ender | Ender]]

* Arcee, Mirage, Overlord, Prowl, Springer -- [[User:Cat|Cat]] 11:44, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

* Jetfire (Armada), Megatron (Beast Wars), Metroplex, Prowl, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:Cradok|Cradok]] 12:53, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

* Megatron (Beast Wars), Prowl, Ratbat, Swerve, Whirl -- [[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 13:13, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

* Arcee, Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime, Prowl, Rattrap, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:Servitor 2152|Servitor 2152]] 13:17, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

* Arcee, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Prowl, Sky-Byte -- [[User:AwesomeAutobot|AwesomeAutobot]] 13:28, 27 May 2013 (EDIT)

* Bulkhead, Devastator, First Aid, Impactor, Ratbat -- [[User:Excise|Excise]] 13:35, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

* Beast Wars Megatron, Hot Rod/imus, Skywarp, Springer, Thundercracker -- [[User:PsychoAndy|PsychoAndy]] 14:32, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

* Blaster, [[Turbofire|Hotrider]], Nightbeat, Rattrap, Springer -- [[User:Danja|Danja]] 16:20, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

* Cyclonus, Devastator, Jetfire, Sunstorm, Swindle -- [[User:Steftimusprime14|Steftimusprime14]] 16:38, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

* Cyclonus, Megatron (BW), Prowl, Ratbat, Skywarp -- [[User:EShadowP|EShadowP]] 21:59, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

* Kup, Prowl, Rumble, Sunstreaker, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:Newsy891|Newsy891]] 22:04, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

* Perceptor, Prowl, Red Alert, Sunstreaker, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:Mechabot|Mechabot]] 22:34, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

* Erector, Kranix, Rattrap, Rumble, Sky Lynx -- [[User:Siccoyote|Siccoyote]] 01:37, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

* Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Rampage (BW) Rattrap, Thunderwing -- [[User:Jupr1|Jupr1]] 08:43, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

* Metroplex, Prowl, Skywarp, Smokescreen, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:Shado prime|-Shado Prime]] 12:14, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

* Alpha Trion, Cyclonus, Perceptor, Scorponok, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:Cydra|Cydra]] 12:54, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

* Cyclonus, Omega Supreme, Scorponok, Scourge, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 14:49, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

*Blades, Hot Shot, Lugnut, Swerve, Thundercracker -- [[User:Wasp-shot23|Wasp-shot23]] 16:28, 28 May 2013

*Devastator, Omega Supreme, Prowl, Smokescreen, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Eaglewings1788|Eaglewings1788]] 18:49, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

*Bulkhead (Animated), Lockdown, Megatron (BW), Prowl (Animated), Skybyte [[User:Sharpfinger|Sharpfinger]] 21:07, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee (Prime), Blackarachnia, Elita One, Predaking, Smokesceen -- Femtransfan

* Metroplex, Rumble, Skyfire, Superion, Ultra Magnus --[[User:REMINATOR | REMINATOR]] 22:03, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

* Bruticus, Lugnut(Animated), Overlord, Rampage(BW), Whirl -- [[User:Phantom|Phantom]] 08:12, 29 May 2013 (EDT)

* Cliffjumper, Hot Rod, Megatron (BW), Sky-Byte, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 10:14, 29 May 2013 (EDT)

* Cyclonus, Galvatron, Hot Rod, Ultra Magnus, Unicron --[[User:Altercron|Altercron]] 19:14, 29 May 2013 (EDT)

[[Category: TFWiki.net]]

MediaWiki:TFWiki.net 2013 Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions/Entries

2013-05-29T23:14:42Z

Altercron: /* Poll entries */

This is the page for the '''TFWiki.net Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions''' entries. The rules are as follows:

#You must pick your top five ''Transformers'' characters, from any era. They must actually '''be''' Transformers; sorry, but no humans, non-Transformer aliens, non-Transformer robots, or anything else of the sort are being considered for the Hall of Fame. Any votes for such entities will '''not''' be tabulated. It is the sole discretion of the contest organizers to decide what does and does not count.
#Take your top five list and '''put it in alphabetical order'''. Order of preference does not matter. Feel free to denote the character's franchise of origin, although these distinctions may or may not figure into the final results.
#You '''cannot''' vote for a specific version of '''Bumblebee, Dinobot, Grimlock, Ironhide, Jazz, Megatron, Optimus Prime, Ratchet, Shockwave, Soundwave, Starscream, Waspinator, or Wheeljack.''' They've already been inducted!
#However, '''you CAN vote''' for '''''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] or [[Optimus Primal]]'''! Hasbro considers them separate!
#Only one entry per user.

Please put your characters of choice and user name below in the following manner:

*Bulkhead, Emirate Xaaron, Side Swipe, Terrorsaur (BW), X-Brawn --(four tildes)

Poll entry period ends at 4pm on '''[[May 31]]st, 2013'''. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:32, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

==Poll entries==


*[[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]], [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]], [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]], [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]] - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:34, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Chromedome, Fortress Maximus, Omega Supreme, Rewind --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 12:35, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Barricade, Devastator, Ravage, Sideways, Ultra Magnus -[[User:LV|LV]] 12:47, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Galvatron, Megatron (BW), Overlord, Sky-Byte, Unicron [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] 12:50, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Bulkhead, Ratbat, Ravage, Rhinox, Wreck-Gar [[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 12:56, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Blurr, BW Megatron, Rattrap, Sky-Byte, Whirl [[User:Fireshot|Fireshot]] 12:59, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Bruticus, Devastator, Primus, Rattrap, Unicron -[[User:Combaticons4ever|Combaticons4ever]] 13:17, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Hot Shot, Menasor, Springer, Tarantulas, Tracks [[User:Phantom_Dusclops'92|Phantom Dusclops'92]] 13:29, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Botanica, Fortress Maximus, Swindle, Swoop, Ultra Magnus - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 13:32, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*[[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee (Prime)]], [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron (Beast Wars)]], [[Rampage (BW)|Rampage (Beast Wars)]], [[Rattrap]], [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle (Animated/G1)]] --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 13:34, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Hound, Ratbat, Sideswipe, Springer, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] 13:50, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Impactor, Scrounge, Straxus, Ultra Magnus, Venom --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:58, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Blackarachnia, Cyclonus, Megatron (BW), Rodimus Prime --[[User:Anguirus|Anguirus]] 14:14, 24 May 2013 (EDT)
*Bruticus, Devastator, Lugnut, Megatron (BW), Tarantulas -- [[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 14:23, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Lugnut, Megatron (BW), Sky-Byte, Swerve, Tarantulas -- [[User:General Tekno|General Tekno]] 14:26, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Buzzsaw, Nightbeat, Prowl, Tarantulas, Thunderwing -- --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 14:30, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Cyclonus, Prowl, Scorponok, Sunstreaker, Swindle - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 14:32, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Drift, Injector, Knock-Out (Prime), Megatron (BW), Tarantulas --[[User:EvoChanger|EvoChanger]] 14:34, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Chromedome, Rodimus, Springer, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Trixter|Trixter]] 14:41, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Hot Shot, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Rodimus, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Amadeus Windfall|Amadeus Windfall]] 14:53, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Megatron (BW), Prowl, Rodimus, Rung. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:54, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Astrotrain, Cosmos, Cyclonus, Omega Supreme, Ultra Magnus --([[User:Pinecronix|Pinecronix]] 14:57, 24 May 2013 (EDT))

*Demolishor (Armada), Hot Shot (Armada), Override (Cybertron), Red Alert (Armada), Sideways (Armada). --[[User:Stardust262|Stardust262]] 15:01, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Barricade, Devastator, Rattrap, Sky-Byte, Ultra Magnus [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 15:06, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Devastator, Omega Supreme, Ravage, Rodimus -- [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 15:09, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Omega Supreme, Prowl, Swindle, Thundercracker, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 15:14, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Cosmos, Prowl, Sky-Byte, Tarantulas, Warpath --[[User:Sockie|Sockie]] 15:16, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Cyclonus, Deszaras, Powered Convoy, Star Saber -- [[User:S-NFS|S-NFS]] 23:22, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

*Cyclonus, Prowl, Sideways, Swoop, Ultra Magnus --[[User:AutoUIMagnus299|AutoUi299]] 15:53, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee (G1), Blades (G1), Punch, Side Burn (RID), Smokescreen (G1) [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 16:00, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Ironfist, Rung, Sari Sumdac, Silverbolt (BW), Teaspoon -- [[User:JediFlaherty|JediFlaherty]] 16:03, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

* Bulkhead, Megatron (BW), Metroplex, Sky-Byte, Wreck-Gar --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:05, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Bulkhead, Omega Supreme, Overlord, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 16:11, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Ironfist, Nightbeat, Smokescreen, Thundercracker, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:Russellestate|Russellestate]] 16:07, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Impactor, Prowl, Ratbat, Rodimus, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:MarkMontag|MarkMontag]] 16:25, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Bulkhead, Sideswipe, Smokescreen, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|Use this!]] 17:03, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Deathsaurus, Megatron (BW), Skywarp, Swindle, Thundercracker -- [[User:Rayqui|Rayqui]] 17:45, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Blackarachnia, Bulkhead, Prowl, Sky-Byte --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:47, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Blackarachnia, Hot Shot, Beast Megatron, Ratbat, Ravage --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:54, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Devastator, Megatron (BW), Sky-Byte, Swindle, Wreck-Gar --[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 17:58, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Devastator, Hot Shot, Megatron(BW), Ravage, Sky-Byte -- [[User:Shellspark|Shellspark]] 18:01, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Knock Out, Ravage, Sky-Byte, Swindle -- [[User:Strangefour|Strangefour]] 18:18, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Airazor, Blackarachnia, Cyclonus, Rattrap, Terrorsaur -- [[User:Bumblevivisector|Bumblevivisector]] 18:23, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Blackarachnia, Bulkhead, Lugnut, Sky Byte -- [[User:Boy Blunderous|Boy Blunderous]] 18:23, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Prowl, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:40, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*[[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee (Prime)]], [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]], [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron (Beast Wars)]], [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]], [[Rattrap]]--[[User:Damo|Damo]] 18:46, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Cheetor, Ginrai, Megatron (Beast Era), Optimus Primal, Thunderwing --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 19:14, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee (Prime),Blitzwing(Animated),Bulkhead (Prime), Megatron (BW),Rihnox (BW)--[[User:Venowtron|Venowtron]] 18:19, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Devastator, Megatron (BW), Swindle, Ultra Magnus --[[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] 19:53, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Blitzwing, Devastator, Predaking, Sky-Byte --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] 19:58, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Bulkhead, Hot Shot, Jetfire, Prowl [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 20:00, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Red Alert (g1), Rewind, Thunderwing, Ultra Magnus--[[User:Autobot Hunter|Autobot Hunter]] 20:10, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Bulkhead, Cheetor, Optimus Primal, Sentinel Prime, Wreck-Gar. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 20:13, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Bulkhead, Prowl, Rodimus Prime, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Ketchup|Ketchup]] 20:16, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Blackarachnia, Blitzwing, Jetfire, Prowl --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:21, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Ironfist, Nightbeat, Skids, Smokescreen, Thundercracker --[[User:Hhall3|Hhall3]] 19:39, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*G1 Hot Spot, G1 Quickmix, G1 Rodimus Prime, G1 Searchlight, G1 Silverbolt - [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] 21:00, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee (Prime), Bulkhead, Hound, Jetfire (G1), Ultra Magnus --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 21:38, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Jetfire, Megatron (BW), Scorponok, Skids -- [[User:Chip|Chip]] 22:03, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Bulkhead, Devastator, Megatron (BW), Ratbat, Ultra Magnus - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 22:32, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Megatronus Prime/The Fallen, Prima, Primus, Unicron, Thunderwing -- [[User:Primus Dave|Primus Dave]] 22:42, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Omega Supreme, Skywarp, Springer, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Diamondmatter|Diamondmatter]] 23:26, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Broadside, Bulkhead, Fortress Maximus, Megatron (BW), Omega Supreme --[[User:ShinRa Actual|ShinRa Actual]] 23:40, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Bulkhead, Fortress Maximus, Ginrai, Star Saber, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Ookalf|Ookalf]] 00:20, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Ravage, Ultra Magnus --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:33, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Megatron (BW), Nemesis Prime, Omega Supreme, Optimus Primal, Vector Prime --[[user:Dinobot III|Dinobot III]] 01:16, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Bruticus, Devestator, Galvatron, Rodimus, Ultra Magnus, --[[user:Japanasaurus Rex|Japanasaurus Rex]] 02:57 24 May 2013 (EDIT)

* Brawl, Bruticus, Prowl, Rotorstorm, Sixshot --[[User:Apoc|Apoc]] 04:10, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Arcee, Kickback, Omega Supreme, Shrapnel, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Ultra Magnus 506|Ultra Magnus 506]] 07:45, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

*Blackarachnia, Chromedome, Megatron (BW), Ravage, Rewind --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 07:50, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

*Blitzwing (Animated), Ironfist, Straxus, Ultra Magnus, Wreck-Gar (Animated) -- [[User:HunterCham|HunterCham]] 08:04, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Blaster, Fortress Maximus, Impactor, Springer, Ultra Magnus [[User:Mister Jazzz|Mister Jazz]] 08:06, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Arcee, Bulkhead, Jetfire, Prowl, Springer [[User:Gryllid|Gryllid]] 08:45, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Drift, Ironfist, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal [[User:Blackjack|Blackjack]] 10:42, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Blaster, Megatron (BW), Rattrap, Red Alert, Wreck-Gar [[User:Stevo|Stevo]] 11:08, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Blaster, Devastator, Springer, Swindle, Ultra Magnus [[User:Spark Mandrill|Spark Mandrill]] 11:41, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Arcee, Blackarachnia, Bruticus, Cheetor, Devastator -- [[User:Chihooaher|Chihooaher]] 11:42, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Blaster, Bludgeon, Cyclonus (G1), Kup, Ultra Magnus--[[User:Starscream0625|Starscream0625]] 11:45, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Arcee (Prime), Blackarachnia, Blitzwing, Megatron (BW), Sky-Byte --[[User:Professor Icepick|Professor Icepick]] 13:21, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Blackarachnia, Cyclonus, Megatron (BW), Rodimus Prime, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Caius|Caius]] 14:26, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

*[[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways (Multiversal Singularity?)]], [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]], [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], [[Unicron]] --[[User:AlephTrion|AlephTrion]] 14:38, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Demolishor, Frenzy, Laserbeak, Ravage, Sideways --[[User:Zorion|Zorion]] 22:46, 25 May 2013 (MSK)

* Bulkhead, Megatron (BW), Rattrap, Sky-Byte, Ultra Magnus --([[User:Barricade64|Barricade64]] 14:51, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Overlord (G1), Ravage, Seaspray, Unicron, Wreck-gar)-- ([[User:Geminia999|Geminia999]] 15:15, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Hot Rod (G1), Lugnut (Animated), Megatron (BW), Sky Byte (RID), Ultra Magnus (G1) --[[User:Blackout_501st|Blackout_501st]] 16:13. 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Blackarachnia, Galvatron, Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime, Hot Shot, Unicron --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 17:04, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Jetfire, Kup, Overlord, Springer, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Astrakhan|Astrakhan]] 17:46, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Astrotrain, Cheetor, Silverbolt (BW), Springer, Swindler (Micromaster Delorean) --[[User:Wheeljack539|Wheeljack539]] 18:12, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Arcee, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Rattrap, Rodimus Prime --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 19:38, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* Bulkhead, Megatron (BW), Nightbeat, Overlord, Sky-Byte --[[User:TrentTroop|TrentTroop]] 20:00, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

* [[Megatron (BW)]], [[Metroplex]], [[Omega Supreme]], [[Optimus Primal]], [[Unicron]] --[[User:IronVenom|IronVenom]] 20:19, 25 May 2013 (EDIT)

* Arcee, Bulkhead, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Ravage --[[User:Cr85747|Cr85747]] 22:25, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

*Jetfire, Nemis Prime, Rampage (BW), Ravage, Sunstorm --[[User:KWAC|KWAC]] 20:13 May 25 2013 (EDT)

*Lockdown, Ratbat, Rattrap, Sideways, Sky-Byte --[[User:Quickstrike|Quickstrike]] 01:18, 26 May 2013 (EDT)

* Bludgeon, Bugbite, Jhiaxus, Ultra Magnus, Whirl --[[User:Arborday|Arborday]] 01:27, 26 May 2013 (EDT)

* Prowl, Ravage, Sideswipe, Sunstreaker, Thundercracker -- [[User:RagdollDark|Dark]] 09:44, 26 May 2013 (EDT)

* Acid Storm, Air Raid, Brawl, Sky Lynx, Superion -- [[User:Movie09|Movie09]] 12:44, 26 May 2013 (EDT)

* Bludgeon, Cyclonus, Galvatron, Ultra Magnus, Whirl -- [[User: OptimalPrime|OptimalPrime]] 9:46, 26 May (EDT)

* Chromedome, Optimus Primal, Rattrap, Sky-Byte, Ultra Magnus -- [[User: Charles RB|Charles RB]] 00:30, 27 May (GMT)

* Bruticus, Jetfire, Reflector, Sky Lynx, Windcharger -- [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:02, 26 May 2013 (EDT)

* Cyclonus (G1), Lugnut, Megatron (Beast Wars), Swerve (G1), Ultra Magnus (G1) --[[User:Bullycon|Bullycon]] 20:58, 26 May 2013 (EDT)

*Omega Supreme, Ratbat, Springer, Ultra Magnus, Whirl --[[User:transfan20|transfan200]] 22:02, 26 May 2013 (EDT)

*Botanica (BW), Impactor, Megatron (BW), Mirage (G1), Whirl --[[User: BScorpinok75 | BScorpinok75]] 22:35, 26 May 2013 (EDT)

*Blitzwing, Chromedome, Overlord, Rattrap, Whirl --[[User:SamuraiMarmoset | SamuraiMarmoset]] 24:12, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

* Arcee, Prowl, Springer, Swerve, Rumble --[[User:Ender | Ender]]

* Arcee, Mirage, Overlord, Prowl, Springer -- [[User:Cat|Cat]] 11:44, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

* Jetfire (Armada), Megatron (Beast Wars), Metroplex, Prowl, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:Cradok|Cradok]] 12:53, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

* Megatron (Beast Wars), Prowl, Ratbat, Swerve, Whirl -- [[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 13:13, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

* Arcee, Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime, Prowl, Rattrap, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:Servitor 2152|Servitor 2152]] 13:17, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

* Arcee, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Prowl, Sky-Byte -- [[User:AwesomeAutobot|AwesomeAutobot]] 13:28, 27 May 2013 (EDIT)

* Bulkhead, Devastator, First Aid, Impactor, Ratbat -- [[User:Excise|Excise]] 13:35, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

* Beast Wars Megatron, Hot Rod/imus, Skywarp, Springer, Thundercracker -- [[User:PsychoAndy|PsychoAndy]] 14:32, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

* Blaster, [[Turbofire|Hotrider]], Nightbeat, Rattrap, Springer -- [[User:Danja|Danja]] 16:20, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

* Cyclonus, Devastator, Jetfire, Sunstorm, Swindle -- [[User:Steftimusprime14|Steftimusprime14]] 16:38, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

* Cyclonus, Megatron (BW), Prowl, Ratbat, Skywarp -- [[User:EShadowP|EShadowP]] 21:59, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

* Kup, Prowl, Rumble, Sunstreaker, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:Newsy891|Newsy891]] 22:04, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

* Perceptor, Prowl, Red Alert, Sunstreaker, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:Mechabot|Mechabot]] 22:34, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

* Erector, Kranix, Rattrap, Rumble, Sky Lynx -- [[User:Siccoyote|Siccoyote]] 01:37, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

* Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Rampage (BW) Rattrap, Thunderwing -- [[User:Jupr1|Jupr1]] 08:43, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

* Metroplex, Prowl, Skywarp, Smokescreen, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:Shado prime|-Shado Prime]] 12:14, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

* Alpha Trion, Cyclonus, Perceptor, Scorponok, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:Cydra|Cydra]] 12:54, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

* Cyclonus, Omega Supreme, Scorponok, Scourge, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 14:49, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

*Blades, Hot Shot, Lugnut, Swerve, Thundercracker -- [[User:Wasp-shot23|Wasp-shot23]] 16:28, 28 May 2013

*Devastator, Omega Supreme, Prowl, Smokescreen, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Eaglewings1788|Eaglewings1788]] 18:49, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

*Bulkhead (Animated), Lockdown, Megatron (BW), Prowl (Animated), Skybyte [[User:Sharpfinger|Sharpfinger]] 21:07, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee (Prime), Blackarachnia, Elita One, Predaking, Smokesceen -- Femtransfan

* Metroplex, Rumble, Skyfire, Superion, Ultra Magnus --[[User:REMINATOR | REMINATOR]] 22:03, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

* Bruticus, Lugnut(Animated), Overlord, Rampage(BW), Whirl -- [[User:Phantom|Phantom]] 08:12, 29 May 2013 (EDT)

* Cliffjumper, Hot Rod, Megatron (BW), Sky-Byte, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 10:14, 29 May 2013 (EDT)

*Cyclonus, Galvatron, Hot Rod, Megatron (BW), Ultra Magnus [[User:Altercron|Altercron]] 19:14, 29 May 2013 (EDT)

[[Category: TFWiki.net]]

User:Altercron

2013-03-15T05:31:54Z

Altercron: Created page with "Im Altercron, some may recognize the name from TFW2005.com where I've been a member of varying degrees of activity for nearly 10 years. I really have nothing to say at the moment…"

Im Altercron, some may recognize the name from TFW2005.com where I've been a member of varying degrees of activity for nearly 10 years. I really have nothing to say at the moment, I'm sure I'll think of useful things to put here at a later date. --[[User:Altercron|Altercron]] 01:31, 15 March 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Beast mode

2013-03-15T05:30:08Z

Altercron: /* New section or New article? */

Why was the redirect to [[alternate mode]] deleted? That is where beast modes are discussed. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:46, 6 May 2009 (EDT)

==Main Image==

Surely an image of actual confirmed beast modes, rather than a gratuitous fanwank that is far more likely to be just a bunch of animals, would be more appropriate? [[User:Eire]] 21.54 Nov 5 09 (UTC)
:I agree. That's also what it says in the "picsneeded" box. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:56, 5 November 2009 (EST)

== Movie ==

Should Scorponok and Ravage be included here, 'cause their pages describe their alt modes as beast modes. [[Special:Contributions/96.61.43.230|96.61.43.230]] 09:26, 30 January 2010 (EST)
:To my knowledge the movies don't give any fictional insight into beast modes (why they have beast modes, etc) and this page isn't a list of Transformers with beast modes, so I don't think the movies have anything to say about beast modes really. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:13, 30 January 2010 (EST)

== ''G1'' Dinobots and Predacons ==

Do ''G1'' Dinobots and Predacons' alternate mode count as beast mode?　--'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 10:23, 25 September 2011 (EDT)

== New section or New article? ==
Hey guys, I'm kinda new to actively editing around here, so I'm not sure what the protocol is about this. I was looking at the [[Talk:Technorganic#List_of_BW_physiology_traits|list of examples about Beast Wars organic tech]] archived by [[User:Repowers]] from some earlier major edit of [[Technorganic|that article]]. It seems to me that the topic of the ambiguous canon regarding the "is BW-era beast mode flesh organic or synthetic?" question is worth a bit more discussion than currently featured in the [[Technorganic#.22Technorganic.22_in_Beast_Wars|Beast Wars subsection of the Technorganic article]], PLUS it seems like [[Beast mode|this]] would be a more appropriate page for the discussion than that is. But I'm not sure if other users would prefer to have this kind of content here on this "Beast Mode" page, or to create a new one called something like "Beast Mode(/Wars?) Technology"?

I think it would fit very well here on this page. But that's just me and I'm a noobie. --[[User:Altercron|Altercron]] 01:30, 15 March 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Transmutate (BW)

2013-03-15T05:19:28Z

Altercron: /* Alliance */

Transmutate doesn't HAVE a gender, I thought. Don't they ALWAYS refer to it as, well, "it"? (Plus this article totally needs to be put in the character format.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 05:17, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Meh. I dunno. I thought basically everybody thought of Transmutate as female. If that's not accurate, I certainly don't object to having that category removed. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 05:29, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, being voiced by Susan Blu certainly colored that. But I don't remember it ever having been referred to with a gendered pronoun in the actual episode itself... which I would think is PART of the point. It's such a freak it doesn't even fall under "he" or "she". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 05:33, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Didn't one of the Bobs say Transmutate was female? And ALL TF's are neither male nor female according to the Marvel comics. What's so freaky about asexuality? Silverbolt putting his boy-parts in Blackarachnia's spider-parts-- now '''that's''' freaky! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:42, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

: Did one of the Bobs say it in the actual episode? /:) Also, this is not the Marvel comics. This is Beast Wars, where there ''are'' males and females. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:52, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

::To what degree are we confined to 'said in the actual episode'? Female voice actor. Nothign in the episode conflicts with it, producer says it's so- doesn't this get an italicised comment at least? (But then, I never understood the screaming shit-fits some people get into when you say the Predacon ship was called the Darkside. It was named in official sources, jsut not the series. Make an italicised note that the name came later and move on. No one gets this upset abotu the name of the Ark, and we didnt' even have Terrorsaur for that!) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:46, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

''A minor point of argument among fans is exactly why the Maximals were so quick to stasis-lock Transmutate instead of transferring its spark to another body like Rhinox did with Optimus Primal following the latter's unintentional sacrifice.'' 
: With Primal they were able to transfer his Spark into a new body because they happened to have a new empty stasis pod land outside soon before. With Transmutate, they didn't transfer her Spark because they didn't have any spare protoforms lying around (unless they found some and I'm forgetting it)--[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 03:45, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, is this really a point of argument among fans? Because, it shouldn't be. The only reason they were able to put Primal's spark in a new body is because that pod with the blank protoform happened to be on hand. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 04:15, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm inclined to agree. I vaguely recall people wondering why the Maxies seemed so eager to put her out of her misery instead of, say, stasis. But not that they should have given her a new body. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 04:22, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
::::But... they ''were'' going to put her into stasis. No one but Megatron ever suggested ''killing'' Transmutate. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 04:24, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::Eh. I ''did'' say it was a "vague" recollection. :) --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 04:26, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::It's worth noting. I hear it all the time: Oh, the Maximals were going to kill Transmutate, they're so awful, why were they so evil to her. It's a common misperception. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 04:30, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

==Alliance==
Isn't Transmutate technically a Maximal? (Her faction was never subverted by the Predacons, which should make her Maximal by default).[[User:Darktruth|Darktruth]] 16:35, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Even though this was mentioned 5 years ago, I second that notion. "Her" pregramming, while severely damaged, was never tampered with by the Predacons. So....nominally "she" should still be a Maximal. --Lord of Torment 01:19, 15 March 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Technorganic

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Altercron: /* Technorganic and Techno-Organic */

That two-page spread from TFU #1 should TOTALLY go in the "Technorganic Cybertron" section. That's some fucking GORGEOUS art there. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:41, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

In my edit I removed a statement that the technorganic healing abilities function better/faster in robot mode than in beast mode. Walky and I have no recollection of this. I'm inclined to think that, if they worked better in one mode than the other, it would have been the beast mode. Does anyone know whether this robot-healing thing was ever established someplace? It should be cited if it's put back in. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 16:54, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

:My rough notes from watching through BM a couple years ago include the following:
:''BM Maximnals cannot use CR chambers. However-- BM's robot modes DO exert biologicly-enhanced nanosurgical capabilities, allowing them to quickheal, like Nightscream did his wing. They heal faster in ROBOT MODE
:It's from... uh... revelations? (My next note in order is the Diagnostic Drone recognizing Tankor's old personality.)
: note that Nightscream has th ability to quickheal even FASTER than the other Maximals when he's doing his vampire thing-- so I speculate their self-repair abilities are linked to their robot modes being at a higher 'energy level'. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:04, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

==Technorganic transforming==
Technorganic transforming's not entirely a shapeshifting-style transformation. Watch Primal's transformation in the premiere episode, and you can see how the "energy" merely changes the shape of his limbs. After that, recessed panels slide out. I belive this should go in the article as well. [[User:Darktruth|Darktruth]] 15:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

==New section on usage errors==
I sure hope folks like the new section what I wrote.
--[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]

==Where is this stuff coming from??==
This article's got some rather oddly-phrased conclusions in it, taking single examples from the cartoon and unsupportably stating that they are illustrations of larger, well-known principles:
* ''Rather the spark appears simply to be diffused throughout the body and coalesces in the center of the chest or floats just outside of it when made to appear.''
* ''Close contact and ingestion of anything purely organic will tilt their minds toward their primitive, "organic" side. ''
* ''their greatest weakness lies in the perfect but fragile balance between the two opposing sides of their nature.''
I'd purge it all myself, but I wanna make sure there's not some outside source that's stating all this more clearly than the events of the cartoon did. Also, am I the only one who finds this article way too long and rambling in its current state? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 15:43, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:"Also, am I the only one who finds this article way too long and rambling in its current state?" You aren't. And the sections PacifistPrime keep adding aren't helping. This article needs an overhaul. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:12, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
:Primal said ingesting the purely organic fruit had devolved the Maximals and made their animal sides take over. "Close contact" seems to be an extrapolation / made-upism. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 03:46, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
::This is the tree that shattered into pixels when Cheetor hit it with a sword. Whatever it was, it's ''not'' a common representative of "organic". -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 03:51, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
==Massive purge==
Hi guys. Look, I really don't want to get in a big argument here, as I have neither the time nor inclination, but I have to say I'm pretty miffed at the total slash & burn that's been done to the new sections I created. I know this is a wiki that anyone is free to edit, but given that you were clearly aware that I was pretty much the sole creator of the material from "Usage Problems", it would've been polite to at least ''discuss'' it a bit more first, don't you think?

Although I totally agree there was a great need for story links and concrete examples (and I appreciate you chaps adding them) and the prexisting material certainly needed tweaking, I really don't see that it was neccessary to pretty much annihilate all the new material that was already there...! The complaint about "speculation" is noted, but a] it was all clearly phrased as such, and b] there are plenty of instances on this wiki of logic-driven speculation which openly attempts to address canon ambiguities by suggestion theoretical explanations.

After all, it ''is'' a pretty big Question Mark/Elephant in The Room for the whole ''Beast Era'', don't you think? If the ''Beast Wars''-era characters were already genuinely organic, then what's the point of becoming '''Technorganics''' in ''Beast Machines''? On that basis alone I think the "Cyborgs or DNA Data" section is worthy of inclusion, as it is ''clearly'' an interrogative extrapolation which is not asserting any canonicity. The simple fact that there ''is'' such uncertainty merits such subsections, surely?

And at any rate, regardless of the organic/inorganic uncertainty, it is very clear from ''Beast Machines'' that anything pior to ''BM'' is definitely '''not''' technorganic as per the ''BM'' definition, and thus the term's use in reference texts when applied to ''Beast Wars'' characters is erroneous.

I really believe these things bear more in-depth treatment in the article, regardless of whether they're my original words or not.

As it stands now, I think the article is worse off, I really do. I think it is worthwhile having some material on the article that discusses the nature of pre-''BM'' beast modes, rather than just a stack of piecemeal examples that don't really lead to anything. (Also, completely removing the reference to the uncertain status of [[Animatron|Jungle Planet]] inhabitents seems a questionable deletion.)

Perhaps a compromise would be in order. Might I suggest a negotiated, more concise (if neccessary) version of the previous text, enhanced by integrating your excellent examples & story links? Alternatively, what about creating a separate, linked article about "Beast Modes"...?

[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]][[User:PacifistPrime|PP]] 04:30, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

:A lot of what I removed was simply overlong wordiness -- using 100 words to say could be summed up in 10. When my eyes glaze up and start to skip over entire paragraphs, it's my personal litmus test for something that needs heavy re-writing -- usually to have its central idea plucked out and everything else discarded.

:Furthermore, some of it was flat-out incorrect (ie: the BW guys weren't organic, when there's all kinds of evidence that they were), and then more still was unfounded fan theorizing (cyborgs, etc.) only necessary because of that position.

:Likewise for the position that the BM use of the term is the right one, and all subsequent uses are wrong -- the guidebooks are canon, they said what they said, and we're not really supposed to be picking and chosing our canon here. They use the term differently than the show did; the article as it stands notes that difference, and moves on. The "piecemeal" results may not be very rational or aesthetically pleasing, but the wiki is not the place for Grand Unified Fan Theories trying to tie it all together.

:I don't think I cut out any content from the article that's directly supported by the canon, and everything that's in there now ''is'' supported by concrete examples. Sometimes extrapolation and speculation are reasonable -- <strike>see [[Snarler]]'s origin for a good example, IMO; there's no conjecture, just a listing of three clear, obvious possibilities that don't require making anything up.</strike> (''Crap, guess I never changed that page per the Talk page discussion. Oops.'') But there are ''limits''.

:The article is already ''very'' long as is (as noted above, I'm not alone in thinking so.) The entire "Usage" section could be nuked and I wouldn't be too bothered, as it's tangential at best to the actual ''Beast Machines''-centered content of the page. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 06:20, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

:For that matter, Jungle Planet inhabitants are sculpted as being wholly mechanical, and intentionally so.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:23, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
::I'm not sure why we need to note the Jungle Planet guys. They're irrelevant to the topic and their only (tangential) connection is that they take the form of animals. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 06:35, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

::I'm completely in agreement with Repowers. I looked at the old article, and it was a long, unreadable, rambling mess with lots of fanon. The cropping done is for the better. And I also agree that the Jungle Planet guys are completely irellevant to the matter, and bringing them up at all only serves to pointlessly muddy the waters based on nothing canon. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:11, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

== Why did Primal's team need to go through the Beast Wars just to acquire beast modes? ==

In the article the question was raised why did Primal's team need to go through the Beast Wars just to acquire beast modes? My thought for the answer: they didn't. When they discovered the Oracle in the first episode it said "At long last, the receptive [[spark|Spark.]]". The idea could be that Primal need to go through temporarily going to the matrix and carrying Prime's spark to become able to be receptive to the will of the Matrix which he pass on to the others near the end.
: The first episode of the second season specifically states that they had to have the Beast Wars to bring back organic modes to Cybertron. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:56, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes but it's stated by Optimus who, like before might misunderstanding the concept. Another point is that the transmetal forms used by four members Optimus team allowed them to survive the gas long enough to reach the Oracle while not having them allowed Rhinox and Silverbolt to e quickly captured. --[[User:Ztyran|Ztyran]]

==Animated technos==

Animated has consistantly referred to BA and co as techno-organics. So why is it so many articles are allowed use the term technorganic? Similar yes, but nothing suggestiing their the same thing. For all we know it's more like Beast Wars, considering transformation is no different than standard. [[User:Eire]]
:Blackarachnia's bio calls her technorganic. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:48, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

== List of BW physiology traits ==

Saved here for future use on some other, more appropriate page:

Among the contradictory facts of the Beast Wars physiology are:
* A major premise of ''Beast Wars'' was that, in order to create their beast altmodes, the Cybertronians needed to scan and replicate the DNA of living or fossilized creatures.

* Instances of damage to beast mode tissue were inconsistent, sometimes merely exposing sparking circuitry, other times being shown to seemingly bleed ("[[Spider's Game]]"). However, Cheetor states that "I don't have real blood—just mech fluid." ("[[The Web]]")

* The Beast Warriors apparently did need to breathe to sustain themselves. ("[[Dark Voyage]]")

* They often consumed organic food as fuel. ("[[Power Surge]]", "[[The Low Road]]", "[[Code of Hero]]", "[[Victory (episode)|Victory]]") This eating also apparently translated into some form of digestion or analogous process, as evidenced by [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]]'s infamous [[The Low Road|fart attack]].

* Despite this, in ''Beast Machines'', Cheetor explicitly states that they no longer eat food, instead powering up on [[Energon]] alone. Confusing the matter further, Primal then says in reply that "we ''used'' to" only consume Energon, which clearly is not the case. ("[[Forbidden Fruit]]")

[[Image:Noble.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Cybertronian, but not mechanical.]]
* Megatron was able to create a sapient clone of [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]] with simply "a spec of [his] DNA", seemingly indicating that both the organic and robotic "genetics" are present in a DNA sample. However, the clone did not have a robot mode it was capable of transforming into, a fact which has unclear implications. Oh, and the real Dinobot was able to ''eat'' him, for whatever that's worth...

* When forced to spend a prolonged period in their beast modes, the Maximals suffered from persistent dreams of living as "real" animals, which eventually consumed them and, upon awaking, their personalities became entirely bestial. [[Tigatron]] explained the schism between the Cybertronian and animal personalities as a side effect of a "programming block". ("[[Call of the Wild]]")

* Looking outside the show, the ''Beast Wars'' writers have stated that, in animal form, the characters are "fully organic"<ref>"When BW's transform into beast mode, they become FULLY organic. This means they are vulnerable to anything the animal they become is. They get hurt worse when hit in beast mode, they have to breathe and eat, they are for all and intents and purposes animals."</ref>, citing both "[[Dark Voyage]]" and "[[Call of the Wild]]" as examples.<ref>[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/31d437af229a5f5f Larry DiTillio post to ATT, Feb 4 1997]</ref> However, [[Authorial intent|while this may have been their intention]], it is not entirely consistent with some elements of the completed show nor does it clarify the nature of the technology, and the statement itself is of [[Pseudocanon|a canonically tenuous nature]].

[[Transmetal]] forms likewise appear to remain at least partially organic:

* [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]] continued to consume organic food after going Transmetal. ("[[Code of Hero]]")

* [[Optimus Primal]] once showing interest in a bunch of bananas. ("[[Feral Scream Part 2]]")

* In ''Beast Machines'', Megatron loathed his ''BW'' Season 3 (thus implicitly non-Technorganic by the ''BM'' definition) dragon form as "disgustingly organic". ("[[Sparkwar Pt. II: The Search]]")

* [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'s attempts to purge these "organic" portions ultimately created the purely organic [[Noble|Savage/Noble]] creature. ("[[Prometheus Unbound]]")
-- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:35, 25 April 2009 (EDT)
== New article? ==
Hey, this is some cool "saved" stuff (immediately above). If it's being saved for a new page, could someone create that new page? Maybe we could call it something like "Beast Warriors", "Beast Warrior technology", or, failing that, make it part of the [[Scanning]] or [[DNA scanner]] articles, maybe? If this content is isn't sufficiently relevant to stay in the Technorganic article, it could serve as a short complementary article discussing the vagaries of the pre-Beast Machine tech. Any takers? {{unsigned|110.33.205.174}}
*** I've made a suggestion/query along similar lines over at [[talk:Beast_mode|the Beast modes article talk page.]] Please discuss there.[[User:TrapRat|TrapRat]] 07:26, 26 November 2011 (EST)

==Technorganic and Techno-Organic==
Ok, i saw the last edit to this page which completely combines these terms and in my opinion i don't think that was warranted. They are two separate words. I think we should hold a discussion to see if they are representing the same idea or not. [[User:Stevo|Stevo]] 21:23, 14 March 2013 (EDT)

I think the hyphen makes little to no difference. They seem to be treated as meaning the same thing (at least roughly) so I'd say the change was warranted. --Lord of Torment 01:14, 15 March 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Technorganic orchard

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I don't know how to fix links, otherwise I would do it myself. But the Jetstorm being turned back into Silverbolt redirects to Beast Wars Jetstorm.Lord of Torment 17:30, 14 March 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Technorganic orchard

2013-03-14T21:29:46Z

Altercron: Created page with "I don't know how to fix links, otherwise I would do it myself. But the Jetstorm being turned back into Silverbolt redirects to Beast Wars Jetstorm."

I don't know how to fix links, otherwise I would do it myself. But the Jetstorm being turned back into Silverbolt redirects to Beast Wars Jetstorm.

Tripredacus Council

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:''The Tripredacus Council is a group of [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

[[Image:TripredacusCouncil1.jpg|right|250px|thumb|"So then it is agreed: half pepperoni, half green peppers."]]
The '''Tripredacus Council''' is one of the many ruling bodies of the fractured [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] [[Predacon Alliance|Alliance]]. They meet in secret in undisclosed locations, and plot the return of the Predacons to glory, though under their terms. They choose to wait and grow strong before attacking...

Many Predacons are impatient, and their strategy has led to some rogue behavior among the Predacon ranks. To neutralise the rogues and (in public) keep the [[Pax Cybertronia]], the Council uses the [[Predacon Secret Police]] and its [[Ravage (G1)|Covert]] [[Onyx Primal|Agents]].

One of their agents, [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]], suggests that, like himself and unlike the rest of the Predacons, the Tripredacus Council are not descended from the [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] trapped on [[Earth]]. Instead, they may have extradimensional origins, be linked to the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian Empire]], or may be, in fact, creations of [[Unicron]] himself...

The three members of the Tripredacus Council are:

*[[Ram Horn|General Ram Horn]]
*[[Sea Clamp|General Sea Clamp]]
*[[Cicadacon|General Cicadacon]]

They can combine to form [[Tripredacus]].

Their known affiliates and agents include:

*[[Flamewar (G1)|Flamewar]]
*[[Magmatron]]
*[[Onyx Primal]]
*[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]]
*[[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]]

==Fiction==
===The Razor's Edge===
After a Predacon insurrection led by [[Flamewar (G1)|Flamewar]] in the guise of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] arose in the [[J'kozian sector]], the Tripredacus Council discussed it and decided to leak the insurrection's presence on [[Nibari]] to the [[Maximal]]s so they would take care of the Council's renegade problem. {{storylink|The Razor's Edge}}

===Descent into Evil===
The Tripredacus Council employed Flamewar to check on [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]]'s operation on [[Ceti Alpha Seven]]. As Flamewar reported on the apparent success of Deathsaurus's [[Virulent Clone]]s, [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] hacked in the feed and informed everyone of the impeding failure built into the Clones. To rid themselves of an exposed agent, the Tripredacus Council remotely exploded Flamewar's ship with her in it. {{storylink|Descent into Evil}}

===Dawn of Future's Past===
The Tripredacus Council killed [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]] to seize control of the Predacons from him. {{storylink|Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw's ''Timelines'' toy bio}}

{{storylink|Dawn of Future's Past}}

===''Beast Wars'' cartoon===
Renegades like Megatron sneer at the Council for kowtowing to the [[Maximal Elder]]s. The Council actually has been using this as cover for their slow, secret rearming{{storylink|The Agenda (Part 1)}}, but we don't know if Megatron is aware of this.

The Council placed Lt. Tarantulas of the [[Predacon Secret Police]], a direct agent of theirs, in Megatron's organisation as a spy. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part 2)}} They were aware of his plan to go back into prehistory and intended for Tarantulas ''hijack'' it, so he could completely destroy the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] and its inhabitants. As they did not have Autobot or Decepticon origins, the Council would be spared the resulting [[timestorm]] and would take control of an altered Cybertron. Their own goal was galactic conquest. (''Of course!'') {{storylink|Other Victories}}

Unfortunately for them, Megatron escaped Cybertron in the ''[[Darksyde]]'' anyway, and caused [[Axalon (BW)|a Maximal craft]] to go MIA in the process. The Council suffered diplomatic repercussions over this.

Later, the [[transwarp wavefront]] caused by the destruction of the [[Planet Buster]] eventually reached Cybertronian space in the [[Beast Era]], hitting [[Predacon Command Outpost One]], causing a severe power outage. The council apparently convened on the station immediately afterward, where they noted that the transwarp wave's signature matched that of the ''Darksyde'', thus meaning that Megatron still functioned and was still carrying out his agenda. In order to prevent the Maximals from discovering this, they detonated a satellite somewhere near Cybertron, dispersing the wave before it reached the planet. They then dispatched Covert Agent [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] in a prototype [[transwarp cruiser]] to track the wave to its point of origin and terminate Megatron "with extreme prejudice". {{storylink|The Agenda (Part 1)}}

When pressed by Megatron, Ravage admitted he was also meant to kill all the Maximals in the Beast Wars, as the Council wanted nobody coming back to Cybertron and embarrassing it. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part 2)}}

====IDW ''Beast Wars'' comics====
[[Image:Tripredacuscouncilidw.jpg|right|250px|thumb|They watch lots of TV.]]

General Cicadacon, who was suspected of being so old he dated back to the Decepticons, was the Councillor who drafted the Council's long-term strategy of secretly rearming, under the noses of the Maximals. {{storylink|Transformers: Beast Wars Sourcebook|Beast Wars Sourcebook}}

The council summoned [[Magmatron]] to [[Tripredacus Council's tower|their tower]] and ordered him to ensure that the [[Maximal]]s did not have knowledge of the transwarp wave. {{storylink|The Gathering issue 1|The Gathering #1}} They believed that the Predacons must wait for the appropriate moment to strike. Many Predacons, however, tired of this strategy. A short time later, after the failure of their first agent, [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]], the council sent Magmatron to capture [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|The Gathering issue 2|The Gathering #2}}
{{--}}

===Apelinq's War Journals===

The rogue Megatron came back to Cybertron and began a series of terrorist incidents, which rapidly increased in scale. After the bombing of New [[Cybertropolis]] spaceport, the Tripredacus Council called for martial law. It was to no avail: Megatron took out everyone on the planet. {{storylink|Apelinq's War Journals}}

==Games==
====''Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals''====
In one timeline, they hired [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] as a double agent.

In another, Tarantulas returned to them and informed them of the discovery of the ''Ark'' on Earth. They promoted him and gave him command of a hundred-strong battle fleet, tasked to go back to the Beast Wars and carry out their grand scheme... {{storylink|Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals (N64)|Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals}}

==Notes==
*The names of the Tripredacus Council members are taken from the script of "[[The Agenda (Part 1)]]", which used to be hosted on [[Ben Yee]]'s website.
* [[Larry DiTillio]] and [[Bob Forward]] never got round to thinking up the "different origin" of the Council. They may have gone with them being descendants of the [[Cybertronian Empire]].<ref>[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/f06828ec523295c1?dmode=source&output=gplain Larry DiTillio's take on Tarantulas origins! at alt.toys.transformers]</ref> Other creators have taken Megatron's insult of "[[Unicron's Spawn|Unicron's spawn]]" at Tarantulas as literal.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Trypticon Hyōgikai''' (トリプティコン評議会 ''Toriputikon Hyōgikai'', "Trypticon Council")

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