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Talk:Flying Mind

2012-05-12T00:00:28Z

Arcee-Cola: /* Insecticons sticking to ceilings in Stasis? */

I found a different description for the episode that is pretty much the same except it says the Nemesis becomes sentient. Shouldn't the description be changed on here?

==''Nemesis'' or Trypticon?==
So is the speaking thing supposed to be Trypticon, or the ''Nemesis''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s computer? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 23:43, 28 April 2012 (EDT)
:It's left open to interpretation. The intelligence is not named or explained in any way, and is credited as "Warship". --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:12, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::The wiki seems to be assuming it is Trypticon, going by the Trypticon (Prime) page... should we be? [[Special:Contributions/118.93.48.54|118.93.48.54]] 22:36, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
:::My thoughts exactly. We do not have any confirmation that the Nemesis IS Trypticon. And it still remains fairly ambiguous whether Exiles is to be taken into account or not. [[User:Rayqui|Rayqui]] 03:18, 30 April 2012 (EDT)
::::Agreed. The Warship hasn't even been named on the show, so who knows if it is in fact "The Nemesis", yet alone Trypticon. I don't think 'EXODUS' or 'EXILES' should be viewed as the Prime 'bible', as TF novels are notorious for being ignored by other media. {{unsigned|75.118.37.154|23:06, 30 April 2012 (EDT)}}
:::::One: sign your posts. Two: get your facts right. The Nemesis HAS been named before. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 23:14, 30 April 2012 (EDT)
::::::But the Nemesis has never been named "Trypticon", or even alluded to, in TF Prime. The merge was really too hasty. [[User:Rayqui|Rayqui]] 08:33, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::I stand corrected Spydersix, I just rewatched "Shadowzone" and Optimus actually calls the ship "The Nemesis" when wondering where the kids were 'ground bridged'. my bad.--[[User:Riptor One|Riptor One]] 21:28, 4 May 2012 (EDT)

:::::::Can further discussion of the issue please be held on [[Talk:Trypticon (Prime)]] since that's the article it concerns? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:34, 1 May 2012 (EDT)

==Voice actor==
Who voices the ''Nemesis'' anyway?[[Special:Contributions/71.255.166.246|71.255.166.246]] 23:54, 28 April 2012 (EDT)
:Kevin Michael Richardson. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:12, 29 April 2012 (EDT)

==Soundwave==
Soundwave also shows signs of sentience, since the beginning he has only showed his opposition to Airachnid's command back in Orion Pax.
Now, when Trypticon ( or the Nemesis ) gave Megs a headache just like Unicron did, and Megatron said to regain control of the vessel, Soundwave acts weirdly, he tries to set things back quickly, as opposed to everything he has done before, he does everything smoothly and without any hurrying.
Does this need to be pointed ?
--[[User:SnipinScientist]] , 29 April 2012
:Uh, when was it ever claimed that Soundwave is non-sentient? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:32, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::Seems to me Soundwave showed sentience back in Masters and Students when he sent his deployer to observe Starscream "rescue" Megatron rather than just blindly following Starscream's orders to observe Skyquake terminate Prime. And again in Sick Mind when he basically orders Starscream and Knockout to reattach Megatron's life support after Arcee shot it off. Oh and going bak to Darkness Rising Part 5 he chooses to deliberately cut the ground line with the axe, clearly knowing that by doing so no one can change the direction the radio dish is locked onto. Soundwave doesn't speak, that's not failing to show signs of sentience. Oh and it was One Shall Rise Part 3, not any part of Orion Pax, where Soundwave opposed Airachnid's attempted takeover. -annonymous 5/4/2012 8:53 AM EST

==Dark Energon==
Since Unicron has been killed, neutralised to vapor, whatever, shouldn't Dark Energon be useless ? And Why did they stop searching for other deposits and using it ? --[[User:SnipinScientist]] , 29 April 2012
:Why would Dark Energon be useless if Unicron is dead? There's no evidence it requires his will to revive the dead. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:34, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::We don't know for certain if Unicron is dead or not, only that Prime may have succeeded in extinguishing his spark. However, Energon is supposed to come from Primus and according to what's revealed in One Shall Rise Primus became one with the Core of Cybertron. Cybertron's supposed to be a dead planet. If Cybertron is dead, then wouldn't Primus be dead? If Primus is dead, then shouldn't energon be useless if dark energon becomes useless if Unicron is dead?

== WTC ==
Sorry if this seems like a stupid question, but should it be noted that this is the first time the World Trade Center has been seen in a Transformers cartoon since 9/11? -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 21:09, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
:Does the WTC actually appear? I don't see it in the shot of Manhattan at the end. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:51, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::Look carefully at the last shot, it's over on the left side. It's the tower under construction that comes from under a cloud. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 22:54, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
:::It's also in the first half a second of the Tunnel Vision promo. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 22:59, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::::So are we noting it? -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 18:33, 30 April 2012 (EDT)
:::::If it can be proven with a screenshot.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 16:47, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::Why is this something that absolutely needs to be noted? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:03, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::::Carrion- Here it is. [[Image:WTC in Flying Mind.jpg|thumb|200px]] Interrobang- [[User: Abates|other]] [[User: Carrion|people]] seem to think its worthy to note, so..... -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 17:07, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::::I'm finding myself agreeing with Interrobang. There really is no reason to make a big deal out of this. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:09, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::It woulda been notable if they'd accidentally used a shot with the old WTC in. The new one, probably not. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:23, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::::::Okay. I'll still put in the picture, without the circle, just because the article needs images. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 17:30, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::::Regardless, those black bars shouldn't be there in the final image. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:32, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::::::::A contextless picture of Manhattan isn't an useful image for an episode's page. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:50, 1 May 2012 (EDT)

== Pictures ==
Ok, so I added some pictures. They need captions, since I have a horrible sense of humor and any I put in will probably be deleted immediately. Also, I would have uploaded a picture of the Nemesis, but I could not find a shot of it without the Hub logo on it. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 17:57, 1 May 2012 (EDT)

=question on error section=

doesn't his eyes turn purple when he is using dark energon? {{unsigned|156.33.195.254}}
:That's what I thought, too. Although he always has dark energon in him (I think), infusing the Nemesis with it might have turned his eyes purple. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spyder]] 21:53, 2 May 2012 (EDT)
::I think you're right Spydersix about it always being in him. Also, does it seem that whenever he gets around dark energon now his eyes turn purple and his insignia glows? Or whenever he intends to use it. {{unsigned|72.64.5.105}}
:::That's what I mean (And remember to sign your posts :p). -- [[User:Spydersix|Spyder]] 22:19, 4 May 2012 (EDT)

=Insecticons sticking to ceilings in Stasis?=

Okay since we obviously know next to nothing about Insecticons, muchless on how gravity or simple physics would affect them in ''Stasis,'' but I wanted to voice the strange occurnace on here before I edit anything.

So apparently ol' "Nemmy" zaps every 'Con on its ship into 'Stone-cold' Stasis. Everyone is frozen in place... including the Insecticon crawling on the ceiling... And yet, he doesn't fall to the ground when frozen. Now i'm willing to give this a wide mirth and say "Well it is based off an 'Insect,' and some insects can stick to walls..." but the reality is simple physics would dictate that once removed from physical consciousness, they'd fall to the ground. Am I right? Or does Stasis Lock literally "Freeze" them anywhere, physics or no?

My second point is the example with Megatron. Megatron was stuck in stasis holding the lever to control the "Energon Dumping Unit," but when knocked unbalanced, he didn't stay frozen. Gravity took over and made him fall to the ground. So therefore, wouldn't it have been the same for said Insecticon? Or are they just that badass? [[User:Arcee-Cola|Arcee-Cola]] 19:48, 11 May 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Flying Mind

2012-05-12T00:00:11Z

Arcee-Cola: /* Insecticons sticking to ceilings in Stasis? */

I found a different description for the episode that is pretty much the same except it says the Nemesis becomes sentient. Shouldn't the description be changed on here?

==''Nemesis'' or Trypticon?==
So is the speaking thing supposed to be Trypticon, or the ''Nemesis''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s computer? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 23:43, 28 April 2012 (EDT)
:It's left open to interpretation. The intelligence is not named or explained in any way, and is credited as "Warship". --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:12, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::The wiki seems to be assuming it is Trypticon, going by the Trypticon (Prime) page... should we be? [[Special:Contributions/118.93.48.54|118.93.48.54]] 22:36, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
:::My thoughts exactly. We do not have any confirmation that the Nemesis IS Trypticon. And it still remains fairly ambiguous whether Exiles is to be taken into account or not. [[User:Rayqui|Rayqui]] 03:18, 30 April 2012 (EDT)
::::Agreed. The Warship hasn't even been named on the show, so who knows if it is in fact "The Nemesis", yet alone Trypticon. I don't think 'EXODUS' or 'EXILES' should be viewed as the Prime 'bible', as TF novels are notorious for being ignored by other media. {{unsigned|75.118.37.154|23:06, 30 April 2012 (EDT)}}
:::::One: sign your posts. Two: get your facts right. The Nemesis HAS been named before. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 23:14, 30 April 2012 (EDT)
::::::But the Nemesis has never been named "Trypticon", or even alluded to, in TF Prime. The merge was really too hasty. [[User:Rayqui|Rayqui]] 08:33, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::I stand corrected Spydersix, I just rewatched "Shadowzone" and Optimus actually calls the ship "The Nemesis" when wondering where the kids were 'ground bridged'. my bad.--[[User:Riptor One|Riptor One]] 21:28, 4 May 2012 (EDT)

:::::::Can further discussion of the issue please be held on [[Talk:Trypticon (Prime)]] since that's the article it concerns? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:34, 1 May 2012 (EDT)

==Voice actor==
Who voices the ''Nemesis'' anyway?[[Special:Contributions/71.255.166.246|71.255.166.246]] 23:54, 28 April 2012 (EDT)
:Kevin Michael Richardson. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:12, 29 April 2012 (EDT)

==Soundwave==
Soundwave also shows signs of sentience, since the beginning he has only showed his opposition to Airachnid's command back in Orion Pax.
Now, when Trypticon ( or the Nemesis ) gave Megs a headache just like Unicron did, and Megatron said to regain control of the vessel, Soundwave acts weirdly, he tries to set things back quickly, as opposed to everything he has done before, he does everything smoothly and without any hurrying.
Does this need to be pointed ?
--[[User:SnipinScientist]] , 29 April 2012
:Uh, when was it ever claimed that Soundwave is non-sentient? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:32, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::Seems to me Soundwave showed sentience back in Masters and Students when he sent his deployer to observe Starscream "rescue" Megatron rather than just blindly following Starscream's orders to observe Skyquake terminate Prime. And again in Sick Mind when he basically orders Starscream and Knockout to reattach Megatron's life support after Arcee shot it off. Oh and going bak to Darkness Rising Part 5 he chooses to deliberately cut the ground line with the axe, clearly knowing that by doing so no one can change the direction the radio dish is locked onto. Soundwave doesn't speak, that's not failing to show signs of sentience. Oh and it was One Shall Rise Part 3, not any part of Orion Pax, where Soundwave opposed Airachnid's attempted takeover. -annonymous 5/4/2012 8:53 AM EST

==Dark Energon==
Since Unicron has been killed, neutralised to vapor, whatever, shouldn't Dark Energon be useless ? And Why did they stop searching for other deposits and using it ? --[[User:SnipinScientist]] , 29 April 2012
:Why would Dark Energon be useless if Unicron is dead? There's no evidence it requires his will to revive the dead. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:34, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::We don't know for certain if Unicron is dead or not, only that Prime may have succeeded in extinguishing his spark. However, Energon is supposed to come from Primus and according to what's revealed in One Shall Rise Primus became one with the Core of Cybertron. Cybertron's supposed to be a dead planet. If Cybertron is dead, then wouldn't Primus be dead? If Primus is dead, then shouldn't energon be useless if dark energon becomes useless if Unicron is dead?

== WTC ==
Sorry if this seems like a stupid question, but should it be noted that this is the first time the World Trade Center has been seen in a Transformers cartoon since 9/11? -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 21:09, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
:Does the WTC actually appear? I don't see it in the shot of Manhattan at the end. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:51, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::Look carefully at the last shot, it's over on the left side. It's the tower under construction that comes from under a cloud. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 22:54, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
:::It's also in the first half a second of the Tunnel Vision promo. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 22:59, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::::So are we noting it? -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 18:33, 30 April 2012 (EDT)
:::::If it can be proven with a screenshot.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 16:47, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::Why is this something that absolutely needs to be noted? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:03, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::::Carrion- Here it is. [[Image:WTC in Flying Mind.jpg|thumb|200px]] Interrobang- [[User: Abates|other]] [[User: Carrion|people]] seem to think its worthy to note, so..... -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 17:07, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::::I'm finding myself agreeing with Interrobang. There really is no reason to make a big deal out of this. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:09, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::It woulda been notable if they'd accidentally used a shot with the old WTC in. The new one, probably not. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:23, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::::::Okay. I'll still put in the picture, without the circle, just because the article needs images. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 17:30, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::::Regardless, those black bars shouldn't be there in the final image. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:32, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::::::::A contextless picture of Manhattan isn't an useful image for an episode's page. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:50, 1 May 2012 (EDT)

== Pictures ==
Ok, so I added some pictures. They need captions, since I have a horrible sense of humor and any I put in will probably be deleted immediately. Also, I would have uploaded a picture of the Nemesis, but I could not find a shot of it without the Hub logo on it. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 17:57, 1 May 2012 (EDT)

=question on error section=

doesn't his eyes turn purple when he is using dark energon? {{unsigned|156.33.195.254}}
:That's what I thought, too. Although he always has dark energon in him (I think), infusing the Nemesis with it might have turned his eyes purple. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spyder]] 21:53, 2 May 2012 (EDT)
::I think you're right Spydersix about it always being in him. Also, does it seem that whenever he gets around dark energon now his eyes turn purple and his insignia glows? Or whenever he intends to use it. {{unsigned|72.64.5.105}}
:::That's what I mean (And remember to sign your posts :p). -- [[User:Spydersix|Spyder]] 22:19, 4 May 2012 (EDT)

=Insecticons sticking to ceilings in Stasis?=

Okay since we obviously know next to nothing about Insecticons, muchless on how gravity or simple physics would affect them in ''Stasis,'' but I wanted to voice the strange occurnace on here, before I edit anything.

So apparently ol' "Nemmy" zaps every 'Con on its ship into 'Stone-cold' Stasis. Everyone is frozen in place... including the Insecticon crawling on the ceiling... And yet, he doesn't fall to the ground when frozen. Now i'm willing to give this a wide mirth and say "Well it is based off an 'Insect,' and some insects can stick to walls..." but the reality is simple physics would dictate that once removed from physical consciousness, they'd fall to the ground. Am I right? Or does Stasis Lock literally "Freeze" them anywhere, physics or no?

My second point is the example with Megatron. Megatron was stuck in stasis holding the lever to control the "Energon Dumping Unit," but when knocked unbalanced, he didn't stay frozen. Gravity took over and made him fall to the ground. So therefore, wouldn't it have been the same for said Insecticon? Or are they just that badass? [[User:Arcee-Cola|Arcee-Cola]] 19:48, 11 May 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Flying Mind

2012-05-11T23:59:56Z

Arcee-Cola: /* Insecticons sticking to ceilings in Stasis? */

I found a different description for the episode that is pretty much the same except it says the Nemesis becomes sentient. Shouldn't the description be changed on here?

==''Nemesis'' or Trypticon?==
So is the speaking thing supposed to be Trypticon, or the ''Nemesis''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s computer? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 23:43, 28 April 2012 (EDT)
:It's left open to interpretation. The intelligence is not named or explained in any way, and is credited as "Warship". --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:12, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::The wiki seems to be assuming it is Trypticon, going by the Trypticon (Prime) page... should we be? [[Special:Contributions/118.93.48.54|118.93.48.54]] 22:36, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
:::My thoughts exactly. We do not have any confirmation that the Nemesis IS Trypticon. And it still remains fairly ambiguous whether Exiles is to be taken into account or not. [[User:Rayqui|Rayqui]] 03:18, 30 April 2012 (EDT)
::::Agreed. The Warship hasn't even been named on the show, so who knows if it is in fact "The Nemesis", yet alone Trypticon. I don't think 'EXODUS' or 'EXILES' should be viewed as the Prime 'bible', as TF novels are notorious for being ignored by other media. {{unsigned|75.118.37.154|23:06, 30 April 2012 (EDT)}}
:::::One: sign your posts. Two: get your facts right. The Nemesis HAS been named before. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 23:14, 30 April 2012 (EDT)
::::::But the Nemesis has never been named "Trypticon", or even alluded to, in TF Prime. The merge was really too hasty. [[User:Rayqui|Rayqui]] 08:33, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::I stand corrected Spydersix, I just rewatched "Shadowzone" and Optimus actually calls the ship "The Nemesis" when wondering where the kids were 'ground bridged'. my bad.--[[User:Riptor One|Riptor One]] 21:28, 4 May 2012 (EDT)

:::::::Can further discussion of the issue please be held on [[Talk:Trypticon (Prime)]] since that's the article it concerns? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:34, 1 May 2012 (EDT)

==Voice actor==
Who voices the ''Nemesis'' anyway?[[Special:Contributions/71.255.166.246|71.255.166.246]] 23:54, 28 April 2012 (EDT)
:Kevin Michael Richardson. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:12, 29 April 2012 (EDT)

==Soundwave==
Soundwave also shows signs of sentience, since the beginning he has only showed his opposition to Airachnid's command back in Orion Pax.
Now, when Trypticon ( or the Nemesis ) gave Megs a headache just like Unicron did, and Megatron said to regain control of the vessel, Soundwave acts weirdly, he tries to set things back quickly, as opposed to everything he has done before, he does everything smoothly and without any hurrying.
Does this need to be pointed ?
--[[User:SnipinScientist]] , 29 April 2012
:Uh, when was it ever claimed that Soundwave is non-sentient? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:32, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::Seems to me Soundwave showed sentience back in Masters and Students when he sent his deployer to observe Starscream "rescue" Megatron rather than just blindly following Starscream's orders to observe Skyquake terminate Prime. And again in Sick Mind when he basically orders Starscream and Knockout to reattach Megatron's life support after Arcee shot it off. Oh and going bak to Darkness Rising Part 5 he chooses to deliberately cut the ground line with the axe, clearly knowing that by doing so no one can change the direction the radio dish is locked onto. Soundwave doesn't speak, that's not failing to show signs of sentience. Oh and it was One Shall Rise Part 3, not any part of Orion Pax, where Soundwave opposed Airachnid's attempted takeover. -annonymous 5/4/2012 8:53 AM EST

==Dark Energon==
Since Unicron has been killed, neutralised to vapor, whatever, shouldn't Dark Energon be useless ? And Why did they stop searching for other deposits and using it ? --[[User:SnipinScientist]] , 29 April 2012
:Why would Dark Energon be useless if Unicron is dead? There's no evidence it requires his will to revive the dead. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:34, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::We don't know for certain if Unicron is dead or not, only that Prime may have succeeded in extinguishing his spark. However, Energon is supposed to come from Primus and according to what's revealed in One Shall Rise Primus became one with the Core of Cybertron. Cybertron's supposed to be a dead planet. If Cybertron is dead, then wouldn't Primus be dead? If Primus is dead, then shouldn't energon be useless if dark energon becomes useless if Unicron is dead?

== WTC ==
Sorry if this seems like a stupid question, but should it be noted that this is the first time the World Trade Center has been seen in a Transformers cartoon since 9/11? -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 21:09, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
:Does the WTC actually appear? I don't see it in the shot of Manhattan at the end. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:51, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::Look carefully at the last shot, it's over on the left side. It's the tower under construction that comes from under a cloud. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 22:54, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
:::It's also in the first half a second of the Tunnel Vision promo. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 22:59, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::::So are we noting it? -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 18:33, 30 April 2012 (EDT)
:::::If it can be proven with a screenshot.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 16:47, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::Why is this something that absolutely needs to be noted? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:03, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::::Carrion- Here it is. [[Image:WTC in Flying Mind.jpg|thumb|200px]] Interrobang- [[User: Abates|other]] [[User: Carrion|people]] seem to think its worthy to note, so..... -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 17:07, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::::I'm finding myself agreeing with Interrobang. There really is no reason to make a big deal out of this. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:09, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::It woulda been notable if they'd accidentally used a shot with the old WTC in. The new one, probably not. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:23, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::::::Okay. I'll still put in the picture, without the circle, just because the article needs images. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 17:30, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::::Regardless, those black bars shouldn't be there in the final image. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:32, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::::::::A contextless picture of Manhattan isn't an useful image for an episode's page. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:50, 1 May 2012 (EDT)

== Pictures ==
Ok, so I added some pictures. They need captions, since I have a horrible sense of humor and any I put in will probably be deleted immediately. Also, I would have uploaded a picture of the Nemesis, but I could not find a shot of it without the Hub logo on it. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 17:57, 1 May 2012 (EDT)

=question on error section=

doesn't his eyes turn purple when he is using dark energon? {{unsigned|156.33.195.254}}
:That's what I thought, too. Although he always has dark energon in him (I think), infusing the Nemesis with it might have turned his eyes purple. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spyder]] 21:53, 2 May 2012 (EDT)
::I think you're right Spydersix about it always being in him. Also, does it seem that whenever he gets around dark energon now his eyes turn purple and his insignia glows? Or whenever he intends to use it. {{unsigned|72.64.5.105}}
:::That's what I mean (And remember to sign your posts :p). -- [[User:Spydersix|Spyder]] 22:19, 4 May 2012 (EDT)

=Insecticons sticking to ceilings in Stasis?=

Okay since we obviously know next to nothing about Insecticons, muchless on how gravity or simple physics would affect them in ''Stasis'' but I wanted to voice the strange occurnace on here, before I edit anything.

So apparently ol' "Nemmy" zaps every 'Con on its ship into 'Stone-cold' Stasis. Everyone is frozen in place... including the Insecticon crawling on the ceiling... And yet, he doesn't fall to the ground when frozen. Now i'm willing to give this a wide mirth and say "Well it is based off an 'Insect,' and some insects can stick to walls..." but the reality is simple physics would dictate that once removed from physical consciousness, they'd fall to the ground. Am I right? Or does Stasis Lock literally "Freeze" them anywhere, physics or no?

My second point is the example with Megatron. Megatron was stuck in stasis holding the lever to control the "Energon Dumping Unit," but when knocked unbalanced, he didn't stay frozen. Gravity took over and made him fall to the ground. So therefore, wouldn't it have been the same for said Insecticon? Or are they just that badass? [[User:Arcee-Cola|Arcee-Cola]] 19:48, 11 May 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Flying Mind

2012-05-11T23:48:27Z

Arcee-Cola:

I found a different description for the episode that is pretty much the same except it says the Nemesis becomes sentient. Shouldn't the description be changed on here?

==''Nemesis'' or Trypticon?==
So is the speaking thing supposed to be Trypticon, or the ''Nemesis''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s computer? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 23:43, 28 April 2012 (EDT)
:It's left open to interpretation. The intelligence is not named or explained in any way, and is credited as "Warship". --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:12, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::The wiki seems to be assuming it is Trypticon, going by the Trypticon (Prime) page... should we be? [[Special:Contributions/118.93.48.54|118.93.48.54]] 22:36, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
:::My thoughts exactly. We do not have any confirmation that the Nemesis IS Trypticon. And it still remains fairly ambiguous whether Exiles is to be taken into account or not. [[User:Rayqui|Rayqui]] 03:18, 30 April 2012 (EDT)
::::Agreed. The Warship hasn't even been named on the show, so who knows if it is in fact "The Nemesis", yet alone Trypticon. I don't think 'EXODUS' or 'EXILES' should be viewed as the Prime 'bible', as TF novels are notorious for being ignored by other media. {{unsigned|75.118.37.154|23:06, 30 April 2012 (EDT)}}
:::::One: sign your posts. Two: get your facts right. The Nemesis HAS been named before. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 23:14, 30 April 2012 (EDT)
::::::But the Nemesis has never been named "Trypticon", or even alluded to, in TF Prime. The merge was really too hasty. [[User:Rayqui|Rayqui]] 08:33, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::I stand corrected Spydersix, I just rewatched "Shadowzone" and Optimus actually calls the ship "The Nemesis" when wondering where the kids were 'ground bridged'. my bad.--[[User:Riptor One|Riptor One]] 21:28, 4 May 2012 (EDT)

:::::::Can further discussion of the issue please be held on [[Talk:Trypticon (Prime)]] since that's the article it concerns? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:34, 1 May 2012 (EDT)

==Voice actor==
Who voices the ''Nemesis'' anyway?[[Special:Contributions/71.255.166.246|71.255.166.246]] 23:54, 28 April 2012 (EDT)
:Kevin Michael Richardson. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:12, 29 April 2012 (EDT)

==Soundwave==
Soundwave also shows signs of sentience, since the beginning he has only showed his opposition to Airachnid's command back in Orion Pax.
Now, when Trypticon ( or the Nemesis ) gave Megs a headache just like Unicron did, and Megatron said to regain control of the vessel, Soundwave acts weirdly, he tries to set things back quickly, as opposed to everything he has done before, he does everything smoothly and without any hurrying.
Does this need to be pointed ?
--[[User:SnipinScientist]] , 29 April 2012
:Uh, when was it ever claimed that Soundwave is non-sentient? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:32, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::Seems to me Soundwave showed sentience back in Masters and Students when he sent his deployer to observe Starscream "rescue" Megatron rather than just blindly following Starscream's orders to observe Skyquake terminate Prime. And again in Sick Mind when he basically orders Starscream and Knockout to reattach Megatron's life support after Arcee shot it off. Oh and going bak to Darkness Rising Part 5 he chooses to deliberately cut the ground line with the axe, clearly knowing that by doing so no one can change the direction the radio dish is locked onto. Soundwave doesn't speak, that's not failing to show signs of sentience. Oh and it was One Shall Rise Part 3, not any part of Orion Pax, where Soundwave opposed Airachnid's attempted takeover. -annonymous 5/4/2012 8:53 AM EST

==Dark Energon==
Since Unicron has been killed, neutralised to vapor, whatever, shouldn't Dark Energon be useless ? And Why did they stop searching for other deposits and using it ? --[[User:SnipinScientist]] , 29 April 2012
:Why would Dark Energon be useless if Unicron is dead? There's no evidence it requires his will to revive the dead. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:34, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::We don't know for certain if Unicron is dead or not, only that Prime may have succeeded in extinguishing his spark. However, Energon is supposed to come from Primus and according to what's revealed in One Shall Rise Primus became one with the Core of Cybertron. Cybertron's supposed to be a dead planet. If Cybertron is dead, then wouldn't Primus be dead? If Primus is dead, then shouldn't energon be useless if dark energon becomes useless if Unicron is dead?

== WTC ==
Sorry if this seems like a stupid question, but should it be noted that this is the first time the World Trade Center has been seen in a Transformers cartoon since 9/11? -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 21:09, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
:Does the WTC actually appear? I don't see it in the shot of Manhattan at the end. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:51, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::Look carefully at the last shot, it's over on the left side. It's the tower under construction that comes from under a cloud. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 22:54, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
:::It's also in the first half a second of the Tunnel Vision promo. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 22:59, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::::So are we noting it? -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 18:33, 30 April 2012 (EDT)
:::::If it can be proven with a screenshot.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 16:47, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::Why is this something that absolutely needs to be noted? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:03, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::::Carrion- Here it is. [[Image:WTC in Flying Mind.jpg|thumb|200px]] Interrobang- [[User: Abates|other]] [[User: Carrion|people]] seem to think its worthy to note, so..... -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 17:07, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::::I'm finding myself agreeing with Interrobang. There really is no reason to make a big deal out of this. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:09, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::It woulda been notable if they'd accidentally used a shot with the old WTC in. The new one, probably not. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:23, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::::::Okay. I'll still put in the picture, without the circle, just because the article needs images. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 17:30, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::::Regardless, those black bars shouldn't be there in the final image. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:32, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::::::::A contextless picture of Manhattan isn't an useful image for an episode's page. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:50, 1 May 2012 (EDT)

== Pictures ==
Ok, so I added some pictures. They need captions, since I have a horrible sense of humor and any I put in will probably be deleted immediately. Also, I would have uploaded a picture of the Nemesis, but I could not find a shot of it without the Hub logo on it. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 17:57, 1 May 2012 (EDT)

=question on error section=

doesn't his eyes turn purple when he is using dark energon? {{unsigned|156.33.195.254}}
:That's what I thought, too. Although he always has dark energon in him (I think), infusing the Nemesis with it might have turned his eyes purple. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spyder]] 21:53, 2 May 2012 (EDT)
::I think you're right Spydersix about it always being in him. Also, does it seem that whenever he gets around dark energon now his eyes turn purple and his insignia glows? Or whenever he intends to use it. {{unsigned|72.64.5.105}}
:::That's what I mean (And remember to sign your posts :p). -- [[User:Spydersix|Spyder]] 22:19, 4 May 2012 (EDT)

=Insecticons sticking to ceilings in Stasis?=

Okay since we obviously know next to nothing about Insecticons, muchless on how gravity or simple physics would affect them in the, ''Stasis'' but I wanted to voice the strange occurnace on here, before I edit anything.

So apparently ol' "Nemmy" zaps every 'Con on its ship into 'Stone-cold' Stasis. Everyone is frozen in place... including the Insecticon crawling on the ceiling... And yet, he doesn't fall to the ground when frozen. Now i'm willing to give this a wide mirth and say "Well it is based off an 'Insect,' and some insects can stick to walls..." but the reality is simple physics would dictate that once removed from physical consciousness, they'd fall to the ground. Am I right? Or does Stasis Lock literally "Freeze" them anywhere, physics or no?

My second point is the example with Megatron. Megatron was stuck in stasis holding the lever to control the "Energon Dumping Unit," but when knocked unbalanced, he didn't stay frozen. Gravity took over and made him fall to the ground. So therefore, wouldn't it have been the same for said Insecticon? Or are they just that badass? [[User:Arcee-Cola|Arcee-Cola]] 19:48, 11 May 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Tunnel Vision (episode)

2012-05-11T23:39:10Z

Arcee-Cola: /* Conservation of Insecticon-su. */

Isn't it more plausable that Knock Out's "Nip and tuck" line was merely a reference to the plastic surgery procedure, and not the show named after it?--[[User:Tindalos|Tindalos]] 11:03, 6 May 2012 (EDT)
: Yes. Very much so. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:13, 6 May 2012 (EDT)

== Phase Shifter "Error" ==

Isn't this a "problem" with almost every instance of an individual being able to "phase" through things? Usually, unless they're actively trying to do so, they tend to stay in place/move around as if they had "solid" feet. [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] 13:29, 6 May 2012 (EDT)
:That and they explicitly said that its "handy when you need to pass through solid objects, '''or vice versa'''."--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 14:02, 6 May 2012 (EDT)

== Conservation of Insecticon-su. ==

Is it me, or have they changed the power of insecticons -again-? Crossfire - One is almost too much for Megatron, Armada - They go down like flies, Tunnel Vision - One seems not to even -feel- when it gets shot. [[Special:Contributions/125.239.114.28|125.239.114.28]] 08:20, 7 May 2012 (EDT)
: Well in Crossfire and Armada they were under Airachnid's mind control, so during Armada her attention was divided and could theoretically make the insecticons less effective. Now that they are independent, their effectiveness goes back to what we saw in Orion Pax Part 3. Of course, if another episode later shows multiple insecticons dropping like flies this theory is scrap.--[[User:Megabob452|Megabob452]] 13:20, 7 May 2012 (EDT)
:: That... is an awesome explanation. So Megatron controls them through loyalty, Airachnid through mind control. Wonder what'll happen if Shockwave ever appears. [[Special:Contributions/222.153.251.249|222.153.251.249]] 00:11, 8 May 2012 (EDT)
:::Here's another thought, a lack of energon. Skyquake seemed to be in some kind of stasis device when he was introduced. Starscream's energon infusion to both appaerntly open the container and reawaken Skyquake. We have no idea how long the Insecticon in Crossfire was out of it's stasis pod, but it was out of the pod when we first see it. In Armada Airachnid releases the Insecticons from their pods before sending them to attack the Nemisis and destroy Megatron. It could be that prolonged duration in stasis weakens a Transformer and they need to get an energon infusion to get back to full strength. That would likely also explain the difference in the Insecticons strength levels between episodes, by Tunnel Vision the Insecticons have finally had a little energon and their up to full strength making them tougher in battle. -annonymous 5/8/2012 12:48 AM EST
::::That's cool and all, but it's all speculation. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:33, 8 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::Which is why it's not posted in the actual page. But it is something to watch for in the future. Or even for someone who knows how to get in tough with the right people (which I have no real knowledge of how to do so) to contact and see if their willing to say anything. It may be something worth noting that Skyquake didn't show any signs of weakness (save for not having a alt form) when he came out of his container while the insecticons clearly did. But it's not worth noting any of these theories in the actual pages until we have an offical explination of some kind. - annonymous 5/09/2012
::::::Generally we'd prefer speculation to be kept to message boards and not on here. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:16, 9 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::::*Weighing in here* Technically what Megabob452 said was speculation as well. Anything involving the Insecticons outside what is obviously demonstrated in the series (I.E, they have a very interesting/original vocal sound effect), would be considered speculation. We simply know absolutely NOTHING about them in this series (excluding what the aligned book series has said), besides that they're considered 'vermin' as stated by Arcee in Orion Pax part 3, that it is unknown how they arrived on Earth, and that they were called "sentries" by Megatron. Not much else has been spoken about them. (If I missed some hardcore description or "passerby" information about them said in past episodes then check me on that) Most likely more will be revealed in later episodes, but to suggest that they're stronger because of Airachnid's influence, or a lack of Energon is both, in reality, Speculation. Unless someone on screen says or reveals otherwise, we have nothing to build any conclusions on currently. However, like I said before, they have an awesome sound effect, and apparently can stick to ceilings while locked in Stasis. (Has anyone discussed this in Flying Mind?) [[User:Arcee-Cola|Arcee-Cola]] 19:39, 11 May 2012 (EDT)

== Continuity error? ==

Uh, just how do Arcee, Bumbleebee, Jack, and Miko get inside the tunnel the relic is in, in a big city with lots of people, without no one noticing?[[Special:Contributions/71.162.107.152|71.162.107.152]] 15:22, 11 May 2012 (EDT)
:When they find the subway, there's what looks like a big dirt ramp on one side which they presumably drove down. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:18, 11 May 2012 (EDT)

User:Arcee-Cola

2012-05-07T22:56:24Z

Arcee-Cola:

Arcee-Cola likes to drink RC-Cola, despite the many friends and loved ones who shake their heads in shame.

She likes to make minor edits here and there, giving poetic justice to an otherwise cluttered fandom of diverging opinion. She has a great loyalty to the realm of un-reality and her minor in Physics and Criminal phycology would testify to her unholy interest in the strange and bizarre. However her lessor degrees are overshadowed by her even larger degree-holding interest in Film, Animation, and Illustration, and spends great lengths of time watching old B-Horror films in the name of research to crack the code for the perfect mixed-shocker of fear, gore, and insanity. Yummy-stuff, says Arcee-Cola!

When it comes to Science Fiction, her bred-in obsession with otherworldly creatures and technological impossibilites started young, with the influence of her NASA-grade Astrophysicist father who instilled an unyielding devotion in space travel and the physical world. Where magick and monsters reside in fiction, Scifi is a possible future, and if that future is filled with giant transforming robotic aliens, than Arcee-Cola would gladly hijack Marty Mcfly's DeLorian-time machine to get there!

Arcee-Cola also models from time to time, and competes aggressively in the Equestrian Arts. Owning four competing champion horses in their respective disciplines.

I bet you can't guess her favorite TF character, can you?

*Arcee-Cola could be [[Stella_Holley]]... Just sayin'

Out of His Head

2012-04-10T09:01:45Z

Arcee-Cola: /* Continuity notes */

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|otherseries=''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'' ep 14
|prev=Sick Mind
|next=Shadowzone (episode)
|image=OutOfHisHead-evileye.jpg
|caption=If looks could kill.
|title="Out of His Head"
|airdate=[[May 7]], [[2011]]
|written by=[[Nicole Dubuc]]
|directed by=[[Vinton Heuck]]
|animation studio=[[Polygon Pictures]]
|production company=[[Hasbro Studios]]
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'''Megatron attempts to resurrect himself using Dark Energon by controlling Bumblebee's mind.'''

==Synopsis==
[[Image:OutOfHisHead-basketball.jpg|left|thumb|250px|I really enjoyed playing with you guys. Let's play some basketball. I really enjoyed playing with you guys. Let's play some basketball. I really enjoyed playing with you guys. Let's play some basketball. ]]
[[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] concludes his tests on [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] and gives their leader a clean bill of health. Optimus thanks Ratchet and [[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]], while [[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] is unsure whether she managed to successfully end [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]]'s life during their mission on the [[Nemesis (Prime)|Decepticon ship]]. In truth and unknown to any of the others, Megatron's psyche still dwells in Bumblebee's processor, and he's determined to reclaim his own body.

[[Miko Nakadai|Miko]] referees a basketball game between Bumblebee and [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]]. Bulkhead easily sinks the first basket, but as Bumblebee goes to shoot, he suddenly flashes back to the [[space bridge]] explosion. When Bulkhead interrupts the vision, he gets the ball thrown at his head. Bumblebee apologizes and they play on. Later on, Bumblebee freezes as Megatron takes control. Megatron wonders how he escaped the destruction of the space bridge, and he recalls [[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]] pulling the sliver of [[Dark Energon]] from his chest. Now knowing what he needs to restore his body, Megatron vows to take revenge upon his subordinate.

On the Decepticon warship, [[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]] taunts Megatron's body with the Dark Energon sliver, announcing that he has come up with a new, epic plan that will convince the other Decepticons that he's worthy of leadership. [[Knock Out (Prime)|Knock Out]] arrives in time to hear the tail end of the speech.

Waiting outside his house, [[Raf Esquivel|Raf]] calls [[Jack Darby|Jack]], who is already in class, to complain that Bumblebee hasn't picked him up for school. Bumblebee is at [[Autobot Outpost Omega One|base]], being puppeted by Megatron to crush a piece of equipment. Ratchet is irritated by the destruction, and Bumblebee explains his visions of Megatron. Ratchet induces a power-down to allow Bumblebee's mind time to rest. While he's explaining this to Optimus and Raf, they get a call from [[William Fowler|Agent Fowler]], who says that [[Decepticon]]s have broken into the [[Kauai Naval Observatory]] in [[Hawaii]] and stolen the [[Heuck Nigoghossian telescope]]'s primary lens. Fortunately, the lens has a tracking device, and the Autobots trace it to the [[Arctic]], where there's a massive, unmineable [[energon]] deposit—unmineable unless the glacier it's in is melted, something that would devastate coastal cities.

Indeed, the Decepticons have already created a heat ray with the lens, and Starscream begins melting the glacier in question.

[[Image:OutOfHisHead-vigil.jpg|right|thumb|300px|''While You Were Beeping'', starring Sandra Bullock.]]

Raf chats with the shut-down Bumblebee, despite Ratchet pointing out that Bumblebee can't hear him. Raf asserts that Bumblebee is family and shows off a photo of his parents and siblings.

Optimus, Arcee and Bulkhead walk through the Arctic and locate the Decepticon warship, which is warming things up with its heat ray.

Ratchet leaves Raf and Bumblebee to find parts to repair the equipment Bumblebee damaged. While he's gone, Bumblebee suddenly powers up and heads to the main control room, where he activates the [[GroundBridge]]. Ratchet and Raf are surprised to find him departing through the GroundBridge and wonder where the diminutive [[Autobot]] is going. Bumblebee arrives at the battlefield where Optimus and Ratchet once fought Megatron's army of [[Terrorcon (Prime)|Terrorcons]], in search of the Dark Energon shard Megatron used to raise the dead. Ratchet attempts to use the GroundBridge to follow Bumblebee, but once he activates it, Bumblebee promptly steps back through, carrying the Dark Energon, and decks the medic. Having placed Raf out of the way, Bumblebee runs back through the GroundBridge. Ratchet realizes that Megatron's mind has taken over Bumblebee, and he tracks the scout to coordinates in the Arctic. Raf insists on going too.

Atop the Decepticon warship, Starscream spots Bulkhead and Arcee. Knock Out orders [[Breakdown (Prime)|Breakdown]] to deal with the two Autobots, and the big 'Con starts laying into them. Meanwhile, the unseen Optimus scales a nearby cliff.

Ratchet and Raf arrive in the Decepticon ship to find disabled [[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicon]]s everywhere. They reach the lab, where Bumblebee has hooked himself up to Megatron's body, but when Ratchet attacks Bumblebee, he's knocked across the room. Raf manages to encourage Bumblebee to retake control, but it's only a brief respite. Ratchet yanks the life support cable from Megatron, only to again be tossed across the room. Despite a last-ditch attempt by Raf to stop Bumblebee, the scout plunges the Dark Energon shard into Megatron's body, and Megatron awakens. A group of Vehicons arrives to find Megatron has risen from the dead, and he orders them to terminate the Autobots, as he has his own "extermination to perform". Under fire from the Vehicons, Ratchet, Bumblebee and Raf retreat.

[[Image:OutOfHisHead-grabby.jpg|left|thumb|250px|"Exit, stage lef—GURRK!"]]

Optimus reaches the top of his cliff and takes a flying leap onto the Decepticon ship. On the ground, Arcee and Bulkhead continue to battle Breakdown. Starscream and Knock Out spot Optimus coming towards them across the hull of the ship, and Starscream turns the heat ray on the Autobot leader. Undeterred, Optimus drives all the way up to the heat ray and slices it with his sword, causing the whole thing to explode. Optimus is thrown to the ground, only to face the rage of Starscream, who begins diving towards him, missiles at the ready. Starscream is intercepted halfway through the dive by Megatron, who takes his disloyal lieutenant back to the Decepticon warship. Faced with his old leader, Starscream attempts to flee in his vehicle mode, only for Megatron to grab him by the tail and toss him against the ship. Even the promise of nearby Autobots to destroy isn't enough to distract Megatron, who begins dragging Starscream away by the head.

Watching the still-blazing ship depart, Optimus radios Ratchet for a bridge, but Ratchet, Bumblebee and Raf appear nearby.

Later at base, Ratchet finishes checking over Bumblebee, who thanks Raf for helping to rescue him.
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*[[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] (1)
*[[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] (2)
*[[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]] (3)
*[[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] (4)
*[[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] (7)

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*[[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]] (5)
*[[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]] (10)
*[[Knock Out (Prime)|Knock Out]] (11)
*[[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicons]] (14)
*[[Breakdown (Prime)|Breakdown]] (15)

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*[[Miko Nakadai]] (6)
*[[Jack Darby]] (8)
*[[Raf Esquivel]] (9)
*[[Sierra's friend]] (12)
*[[William Fowler]] (13)

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==Quotes==


"Lucky for us, Megatron was still alive." 
''<Bumblebee says something>'' 
"Yeah, I actually said that."
:—'''Arcee''' surprising us all.

"Prime, you spot any Decepticons wearing hula skirts lately?" 
"No, Special Agent Fowler. ''Why?''"
:—'''Agent Fowler''' says something that makes sense in context that '''Optimus Prime''' hasn't received yet.

"Mm-hmm. Yes, very nice."
:—'''Ratchet''' is unimpressed with Raf's picture of his family.

"Yes! I love when a plan comes together!"
:—'''Starscream''', fan of the A-Team.

"Decepticons! Your rightful lord and master has returned!"
:—'''Megatron''' reawakens.

"Megatron's greatest mistake was ever allowing you to live, Prime!"
:—'''Starscream''', a few seconds before Megatron shows up.

"Lord Megatron? You are...you're healed! Praise the AllSpark! It is a miracle!" 
"Oh, it will be a miracle all right, Starscream...if you survive what I have planned for you!"
:—'''Starscream''' discovers that '''Megatron''' [[Megatron Rising - Part 2|doesn't]] [[Mission Accomplished|tolerate]] [[A Fistful of Energon|traitors]] [[Endgame, Part I|anymore]].

"But the Autobots—Optimus—right there, waiting for you!" 
"My greatest mistake? I've made a few. But there is one I do not intend to make again!"
:—A desperate '''Starscream''' and a surprisingly self-aware '''Megatron'''.

==Notes==
===Animation and technical errors===
*Starscream's eye is misaligned when he spots Arcee and Bulkhead approaching.
*Starscream's thruster is not producing any flames or exhaust when Megatron grabs him as he tries to fly away.
*When Ratchet rips away the life support tube from Megatron's chest, we see the buckled hole left from his wounds during the space bridge accident. However, after the Dark Energon shard restores Megatron to life, we see his chest armor completely fixed and sporting a snazzy fresh Decepticon [[insignia|sigil]]. Looks like Dark Energon can be used not only to power evil Decepticon tyrants, but as a super polish as well.

===Continuity notes===
* Arcee hasn't forgotten her trip to the Arctic in "[[Scrapheap (episode)|Scrapheap]]".
* It seems that Megatron was conscious (and able to perfectly remember) when Starscream extracted the fragment of Dark Energon from his chest in "[[Masters & Students]]".
* The fight with the Dark Energon zombies took place in "[[Darkness Rising, Part 4]]".
* Bulkhead and Bumblebee play with a hollowed-out version of the ball he used for lobbing with [[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]] in "[[Con Job]]".
* Raf doesn't know how he understands Bumblebee, as stated in his [[Raf's Notes|notebook]].
* Megatron was heard speaking through Bumblebee by Raf, despite the reality that Bumblebee's voice-box was damaged and unable of speech.

===Transformers references===
* Optimus Prime recalls their "end run on [[Polyhex]]".

===Real-world references===
*The Heuck Nigoghossian telescope is named for ''Prime'' directors Vinton Heuck and [[Shaunt Nigoghossian]].
*Starscream [[Wikipedia:The A-Team|loves it when a plan comes together.]]

===Foreign localization===
'''German'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Ausser Kontrolle'''" ("Out of Control")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[December 23|23 December]] [[2011]]

'''Hungarian'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Elbitorolt elme'''" ("Usurped Mind")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[January 26|26 January]] [[2012]]

'''Italian'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Fuori di testa'''" ("Out of Mind")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[November 12|12 November]] [[2011]]

'''Korean'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Du Eolgul ui Beombeulbi'''" (두 얼굴의 범블비, "The Two-Faced Bumblebee")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[October 11|11 October]] [[2011]]

'''Polish'''
:*''Title:'' ?
:*''Original airdate:'' [[December 22|22 December]] [[2011]]

'''Portuguese'''
:*''Title:'' ?
:*''Original airdate:'' [[January 6|6 January]] [[2012]]

===Trivia===
* In the real world, large telescopes use mirrors, not lenses.
* Raf apparently has seven people in his family, including himself. He also has at least two sisters.
* Sierra's friend sits in front of Jack in at least one class (or perhaps homeroom). And yet she is still unnamed.
* Even Raf doesn't know how he understands Bumblebee. [[Sari Sumdac|He's a robot]], isn't he?
* Jack's ringtone is the same as in "[[Darkness Rising, Part 1]]".
* Raf is the first of the humans to see Megatron face to face.
* Raf finally gets to see snow. But does Optimus remember the snowball [[Scrapheap (episode)|he promised to give him]]?
* In the final scene, while Ratchet is talking, Optimus has his battle mask on, despite normally only wearing it when going out on a mission.
* Starscream states that his Dark Energon shard is the only chunk of Dark Energon on Earth. Aside from the one Megatron retrieves, [[One Shall Rise, Part 1|this would be proven wrong later]].
* It's pretty impressive that Starscream kept landing on the spires of the ships. You would think that since Megatron just aimlessly threw him aside, he wouldn't be necessarily aiming for another spire?

[[Category:Prime episodes]]

Talk:Out of His Head

2012-04-10T08:56:58Z

Arcee-Cola: /* How was Megatron talking through Bumblebee? Continuity error? */

Regarding the "I needed that" bit, if it's bound to be a recurring thing... would it be a good idea to do a "What equipment did Ratchet need this time?" bit sort of like how we have "What makes Starscream leader?" on the G1 episodes? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:17, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
:We'd need a way to identify properly each piece of destroyed equipment, wouldn't we? Some might be classifiable by function, but the item destroyed this time, for instance, doesn't appear to be.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 03:12, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== appeal from china about what raf talks to a powerdowned bbb ==

i'm a tf fan from china , and as i did before, is here to see anybody can help me out here about what Raf says to bbb when the latter stands in powerdown status. i can only make out "so i blew past the finish line, then my sister...i'm not very sharp about this kind of very genuine US accent which is very great, of course.
anybody can help me out here? thanks {{unsigned|125.39.83.198|11:10, 8 May 2011}}
:To be honest, a lot of us had trouble making out Raf's sister's name. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 11:12, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
yeah plaura or sth like that( dumbest guess i know haha) but how about after this name. still i am at my wits'end. is that something about Raf and his sister are playing some racing game? or model racing cars? thank you for any thing you can share on this .Thanks {{unsigned|125.39.83.198|11:20, 8 May 2011}} 
haha seems i overstayed my welcome i'm sorry . My best wishes {{unsigned|125.39.83.198|11:37, 8 May 2011}}
::I believe Raf is talking about the racing car video game he plays with Bumblebee. Since he practices it with Bumblebee a lot, he appears to his siblings as suddenly more experienced with it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:46, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

::His sister's name is Pilar. {{unsigned|173.61.116.211 |11:46, 8 May 2011}}
::"So I blow past the finish line. Then my other sister Pilar asked how I got so good at racing games, and I told her I know a guy who knows cars." {{unsigned|173.61.116.211 |11:47, 8 May 2011}}
I thank you very much dude. even i got the right answer right before me, i followed raf for several times before i could finally match it to what he says. you know i think you will run into a gorgeous girl today as all nice guys do haha Bye.
haha i just realized you are the guy who helped me at the talk part at the episode 12. Thank you again. {{unsigned|125.39.83.198|12:00, 8 May 2011}}

== about the size of arcee with regard to Breakdown ==

In the scene where Arcee jumps up and bears down on Breakdown and gets caught by the latter, does she seem weirdly out of proportion comparing to Breakdown? an error? or is it the way it is intended to be so as to bring out the terrible size of breakdown? {{unsigned|125.39.83.198|12:06, 8 May 2011}}
: I thought that too, though Arcee's size is ''very'' inconsistent in this series --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 20:19, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== How was Megatron talking through Bumblebee? Continuity error? ==

Well since Abates gave my little comment the modded-guillotine, it got me to seriously start thinking about the impossibility of Megatron being about to shout at Raf -through Bee- when Bee's vocal-box had been destroyed by said Warlord. Seems like a story-arc paradox to me, considering that the writers would have known that Bee's voice-box was damaged and thereby impeding the ability for any spoken words to manifest, possessed ghost tyrants or not. However Raf clearly heard Megatron's voice coming from Bumblebee's body, so I really don't see any explanation for any of this and it certainly doesn't follow the laid out continuity.

Can I get a second opinion on whether or not this is noteworthy to add to the episode page? [[User:Arcee-Cola|Arcee-Cola]] 04:26, 10 April 2012 (EDT)
:Note that my removal of the trivia note wasn't because of your addition, it was because notes along the lines of "this is the only episode in which X happens" are pointless in an ongoing series (Bumblebee might talk again in a future episode!). Whether or not it's an error that Megatron can speak should be considered independently of that. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:35, 10 April 2012 (EDT)
::Okay well is it an error then? Considering the title of this issue was "How was Megtron talking through Bumblebee?" and not "Why did Abates delete my comment." since I was able to figure that one out on my own, and was speaking in humor when I mentioned it in my question. I'm a big girl babe, you don't have to defend every action you make. I didn't mind. [[User:Arcee-Cola|Arcee-Cola]] 04:44, 10 April 2012 (EDT)
:::I think it's noteworthy, yes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:46, 10 April 2012 (EDT)
::::Yay! Editing ~! --[[User:Arcee-Cola|Arcee-Cola]] 04:56, 10 April 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Out of His Head

2012-04-10T08:44:02Z

Arcee-Cola: /* How was Megatron talking through Bumblebee? Continuity error? */

Talk:Out of His Head

2012-04-10T08:29:29Z

Arcee-Cola: /* How was Megatron talking through Bumblebee? Continuity error? */

Talk:Out of His Head

2012-04-10T08:29:06Z

Arcee-Cola: /* How was Megatron talking through Bumblebee? Continuity error? */

Regarding the "I needed that" bit, if it's bound to be a recurring thing... would it be a good idea to do a "What equipment did Ratchet need this time?" bit sort of like how we have "What makes Starscream leader?" on the G1 episodes? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:17, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
:We'd need a way to identify properly each piece of destroyed equipment, wouldn't we? Some might be classifiable by function, but the item destroyed this time, for instance, doesn't appear to be.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 03:12, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== appeal from china about what raf talks to a powerdowned bbb ==

i'm a tf fan from china , and as i did before, is here to see anybody can help me out here about what Raf says to bbb when the latter stands in powerdown status. i can only make out "so i blew past the finish line, then my sister...i'm not very sharp about this kind of very genuine US accent which is very great, of course.
anybody can help me out here? thanks {{unsigned|125.39.83.198|11:10, 8 May 2011}}
:To be honest, a lot of us had trouble making out Raf's sister's name. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 11:12, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
yeah plaura or sth like that( dumbest guess i know haha) but how about after this name. still i am at my wits'end. is that something about Raf and his sister are playing some racing game? or model racing cars? thank you for any thing you can share on this .Thanks {{unsigned|125.39.83.198|11:20, 8 May 2011}} 
haha seems i overstayed my welcome i'm sorry . My best wishes {{unsigned|125.39.83.198|11:37, 8 May 2011}}
::I believe Raf is talking about the racing car video game he plays with Bumblebee. Since he practices it with Bumblebee a lot, he appears to his siblings as suddenly more experienced with it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:46, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

::His sister's name is Pilar. {{unsigned|173.61.116.211 |11:46, 8 May 2011}}
::"So I blow past the finish line. Then my other sister Pilar asked how I got so good at racing games, and I told her I know a guy who knows cars." {{unsigned|173.61.116.211 |11:47, 8 May 2011}}
I thank you very much dude. even i got the right answer right before me, i followed raf for several times before i could finally match it to what he says. you know i think you will run into a gorgeous girl today as all nice guys do haha Bye.
haha i just realized you are the guy who helped me at the talk part at the episode 12. Thank you again. {{unsigned|125.39.83.198|12:00, 8 May 2011}}

== about the size of arcee with regard to Breakdown ==

In the scene where Arcee jumps up and bears down on Breakdown and gets caught by the latter, does she seem weirdly out of proportion comparing to Breakdown? an error? or is it the way it is intended to be so as to bring out the terrible size of breakdown? {{unsigned|125.39.83.198|12:06, 8 May 2011}}
: I thought that too, though Arcee's size is ''very'' inconsistent in this series --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 20:19, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== How was Megatron talking through Bumblebee? Continuity error? ==

Well since Abates gave my little comment the modded-guillotine, it got me to seriously start thinking about the impossibility of Megatron being about to shout at Raf -through Bee- when Bee's vocal-box had been destroyed by said Warlord. Seems like a story-arc paradox to me, considering that the writers would have known that Bee's voice-box was damaged and thereby impeding the ability for any spoken words to manifest -possessed ghost tyrants or not. However Raf clearly heard Megatron's voice coming from Bumblebee's body, so I really don't see any explanation for any of this and it certainly doesn't follow the laid out continuity.

Can I get a second opinion on whether or not this is noteworthy to add to the episode page? [[User:Arcee-Cola|Arcee-Cola]] 04:26, 10 April 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Out of His Head

2012-04-10T08:26:11Z

Arcee-Cola:

Regarding the "I needed that" bit, if it's bound to be a recurring thing... would it be a good idea to do a "What equipment did Ratchet need this time?" bit sort of like how we have "What makes Starscream leader?" on the G1 episodes? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:17, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
:We'd need a way to identify properly each piece of destroyed equipment, wouldn't we? Some might be classifiable by function, but the item destroyed this time, for instance, doesn't appear to be.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 03:12, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== appeal from china about what raf talks to a powerdowned bbb ==

i'm a tf fan from china , and as i did before, is here to see anybody can help me out here about what Raf says to bbb when the latter stands in powerdown status. i can only make out "so i blew past the finish line, then my sister...i'm not very sharp about this kind of very genuine US accent which is very great, of course.
anybody can help me out here? thanks {{unsigned|125.39.83.198|11:10, 8 May 2011}}
:To be honest, a lot of us had trouble making out Raf's sister's name. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 11:12, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
yeah plaura or sth like that( dumbest guess i know haha) but how about after this name. still i am at my wits'end. is that something about Raf and his sister are playing some racing game? or model racing cars? thank you for any thing you can share on this .Thanks {{unsigned|125.39.83.198|11:20, 8 May 2011}} 
haha seems i overstayed my welcome i'm sorry . My best wishes {{unsigned|125.39.83.198|11:37, 8 May 2011}}
::I believe Raf is talking about the racing car video game he plays with Bumblebee. Since he practices it with Bumblebee a lot, he appears to his siblings as suddenly more experienced with it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:46, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

::His sister's name is Pilar. {{unsigned|173.61.116.211 |11:46, 8 May 2011}}
::"So I blow past the finish line. Then my other sister Pilar asked how I got so good at racing games, and I told her I know a guy who knows cars." {{unsigned|173.61.116.211 |11:47, 8 May 2011}}
I thank you very much dude. even i got the right answer right before me, i followed raf for several times before i could finally match it to what he says. you know i think you will run into a gorgeous girl today as all nice guys do haha Bye.
haha i just realized you are the guy who helped me at the talk part at the episode 12. Thank you again. {{unsigned|125.39.83.198|12:00, 8 May 2011}}

== about the size of arcee with regard to Breakdown ==

In the scene where Arcee jumps up and bears down on Breakdown and gets caught by the latter, does she seem weirdly out of proportion comparing to Breakdown? an error? or is it the way it is intended to be so as to bring out the terrible size of breakdown? {{unsigned|125.39.83.198|12:06, 8 May 2011}}
: I thought that too, though Arcee's size is ''very'' inconsistent in this series --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 20:19, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== How was Megatron talking through Bumblebee? Continuity error? ==

Well since Abates gave my little comment the modded-guillotine, it got me to seriously start thinking about the impossibility of Megatron being about to shout at Raf -through Bee- when Bee's vocal-box had been destroyed by said Warlord. Seems like a story arc paradox to me, considering that the writers would have known that Bee's voice-box was damaged and thereby impeding the ability for any spoken words -possessed ghost tyrants or not. However Raf clearly heard Megatron's voice coming from Bumblebee's body, so I really don't see any explanation for any of this and it certainly doesn't follow the laid out continuity.

Can I get a second opinion on whether or not this is noteworthy to add to the episode page? [[User:Arcee-Cola|Arcee-Cola]] 04:26, 10 April 2012 (EDT)

Out of His Head

2012-04-10T08:06:12Z

Arcee-Cola: /* Trivia */

{{episode|
|otherseries=''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'' ep 14
|prev=Sick Mind
|next=Shadowzone (episode)
|image=OutOfHisHead-evileye.jpg
|caption=If looks could kill.
|title="Out of His Head"
|airdate=[[May 7]], [[2011]]
|written by=[[Nicole Dubuc]]
|directed by=[[Vinton Heuck]]
|animation studio=[[Polygon Pictures]]
|production company=[[Hasbro Studios]]
}}
'''Megatron attempts to resurrect himself using Dark Energon by controlling Bumblebee's mind.'''

==Synopsis==
[[Image:OutOfHisHead-basketball.jpg|left|thumb|250px|I really enjoyed playing with you guys. Let's play some basketball. I really enjoyed playing with you guys. Let's play some basketball. I really enjoyed playing with you guys. Let's play some basketball. ]]
[[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] concludes his tests on [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] and gives their leader a clean bill of health. Optimus thanks Ratchet and [[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]], while [[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] is unsure whether she managed to successfully end [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]]'s life during their mission on the [[Nemesis (Prime)|Decepticon ship]]. In truth and unknown to any of the others, Megatron's psyche still dwells in Bumblebee's processor, and he's determined to reclaim his own body.

[[Miko Nakadai|Miko]] referees a basketball game between Bumblebee and [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]]. Bulkhead easily sinks the first basket, but as Bumblebee goes to shoot, he suddenly flashes back to the [[space bridge]] explosion. When Bulkhead interrupts the vision, he gets the ball thrown at his head. Bumblebee apologizes and they play on. Later on, Bumblebee freezes as Megatron takes control. Megatron wonders how he escaped the destruction of the space bridge, and he recalls [[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]] pulling the sliver of [[Dark Energon]] from his chest. Now knowing what he needs to restore his body, Megatron vows to take revenge upon his subordinate.

On the Decepticon warship, [[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]] taunts Megatron's body with the Dark Energon sliver, announcing that he has come up with a new, epic plan that will convince the other Decepticons that he's worthy of leadership. [[Knock Out (Prime)|Knock Out]] arrives in time to hear the tail end of the speech.

Waiting outside his house, [[Raf Esquivel|Raf]] calls [[Jack Darby|Jack]], who is already in class, to complain that Bumblebee hasn't picked him up for school. Bumblebee is at [[Autobot Outpost Omega One|base]], being puppeted by Megatron to crush a piece of equipment. Ratchet is irritated by the destruction, and Bumblebee explains his visions of Megatron. Ratchet induces a power-down to allow Bumblebee's mind time to rest. While he's explaining this to Optimus and Raf, they get a call from [[William Fowler|Agent Fowler]], who says that [[Decepticon]]s have broken into the [[Kauai Naval Observatory]] in [[Hawaii]] and stolen the [[Heuck Nigoghossian telescope]]'s primary lens. Fortunately, the lens has a tracking device, and the Autobots trace it to the [[Arctic]], where there's a massive, unmineable [[energon]] deposit—unmineable unless the glacier it's in is melted, something that would devastate coastal cities.

Indeed, the Decepticons have already created a heat ray with the lens, and Starscream begins melting the glacier in question.

[[Image:OutOfHisHead-vigil.jpg|right|thumb|300px|''While You Were Beeping'', starring Sandra Bullock.]]

Raf chats with the shut-down Bumblebee, despite Ratchet pointing out that Bumblebee can't hear him. Raf asserts that Bumblebee is family and shows off a photo of his parents and siblings.

Optimus, Arcee and Bulkhead walk through the Arctic and locate the Decepticon warship, which is warming things up with its heat ray.

Ratchet leaves Raf and Bumblebee to find parts to repair the equipment Bumblebee damaged. While he's gone, Bumblebee suddenly powers up and heads to the main control room, where he activates the [[GroundBridge]]. Ratchet and Raf are surprised to find him departing through the GroundBridge and wonder where the diminutive [[Autobot]] is going. Bumblebee arrives at the battlefield where Optimus and Ratchet once fought Megatron's army of [[Terrorcon (Prime)|Terrorcons]], in search of the Dark Energon shard Megatron used to raise the dead. Ratchet attempts to use the GroundBridge to follow Bumblebee, but once he activates it, Bumblebee promptly steps back through, carrying the Dark Energon, and decks the medic. Having placed Raf out of the way, Bumblebee runs back through the GroundBridge. Ratchet realizes that Megatron's mind has taken over Bumblebee, and he tracks the scout to coordinates in the Arctic. Raf insists on going too.

Atop the Decepticon warship, Starscream spots Bulkhead and Arcee. Knock Out orders [[Breakdown (Prime)|Breakdown]] to deal with the two Autobots, and the big 'Con starts laying into them. Meanwhile, the unseen Optimus scales a nearby cliff.

Ratchet and Raf arrive in the Decepticon ship to find disabled [[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicon]]s everywhere. They reach the lab, where Bumblebee has hooked himself up to Megatron's body, but when Ratchet attacks Bumblebee, he's knocked across the room. Raf manages to encourage Bumblebee to retake control, but it's only a brief respite. Ratchet yanks the life support cable from Megatron, only to again be tossed across the room. Despite a last-ditch attempt by Raf to stop Bumblebee, the scout plunges the Dark Energon shard into Megatron's body, and Megatron awakens. A group of Vehicons arrives to find Megatron has risen from the dead, and he orders them to terminate the Autobots, as he has his own "extermination to perform". Under fire from the Vehicons, Ratchet, Bumblebee and Raf retreat.

[[Image:OutOfHisHead-grabby.jpg|left|thumb|250px|"Exit, stage lef—GURRK!"]]

Optimus reaches the top of his cliff and takes a flying leap onto the Decepticon ship. On the ground, Arcee and Bulkhead continue to battle Breakdown. Starscream and Knock Out spot Optimus coming towards them across the hull of the ship, and Starscream turns the heat ray on the Autobot leader. Undeterred, Optimus drives all the way up to the heat ray and slices it with his sword, causing the whole thing to explode. Optimus is thrown to the ground, only to face the rage of Starscream, who begins diving towards him, missiles at the ready. Starscream is intercepted halfway through the dive by Megatron, who takes his disloyal lieutenant back to the Decepticon warship. Faced with his old leader, Starscream attempts to flee in his vehicle mode, only for Megatron to grab him by the tail and toss him against the ship. Even the promise of nearby Autobots to destroy isn't enough to distract Megatron, who begins dragging Starscream away by the head.

Watching the still-blazing ship depart, Optimus radios Ratchet for a bridge, but Ratchet, Bumblebee and Raf appear nearby.

Later at base, Ratchet finishes checking over Bumblebee, who thanks Raf for helping to rescue him.
{{-}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] (1)
*[[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] (2)
*[[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]] (3)
*[[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] (4)
*[[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] (7)

|c2=
*[[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]] (5)
*[[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]] (10)
*[[Knock Out (Prime)|Knock Out]] (11)
*[[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicons]] (14)
*[[Breakdown (Prime)|Breakdown]] (15)

|c3=
*[[Miko Nakadai]] (6)
*[[Jack Darby]] (8)
*[[Raf Esquivel]] (9)
*[[Sierra's friend]] (12)
*[[William Fowler]] (13)

}}

==Quotes==


"Lucky for us, Megatron was still alive." 
''<Bumblebee says something>'' 
"Yeah, I actually said that."
:—'''Arcee''' surprising us all.

"Prime, you spot any Decepticons wearing hula skirts lately?" 
"No, Special Agent Fowler. ''Why?''"
:—'''Agent Fowler''' says something that makes sense in context that '''Optimus Prime''' hasn't received yet.

"Mm-hmm. Yes, very nice."
:—'''Ratchet''' is unimpressed with Raf's picture of his family.

"Yes! I love when a plan comes together!"
:—'''Starscream''', fan of the A-Team.

"Decepticons! Your rightful lord and master has returned!"
:—'''Megatron''' reawakens.

"Megatron's greatest mistake was ever allowing you to live, Prime!"
:—'''Starscream''', a few seconds before Megatron shows up.

"Lord Megatron? You are...you're healed! Praise the AllSpark! It is a miracle!" 
"Oh, it will be a miracle all right, Starscream...if you survive what I have planned for you!"
:—'''Starscream''' discovers that '''Megatron''' [[Megatron Rising - Part 2|doesn't]] [[Mission Accomplished|tolerate]] [[A Fistful of Energon|traitors]] [[Endgame, Part I|anymore]].

"But the Autobots—Optimus—right there, waiting for you!" 
"My greatest mistake? I've made a few. But there is one I do not intend to make again!"
:—A desperate '''Starscream''' and a surprisingly self-aware '''Megatron'''.

==Notes==
===Animation and technical errors===
*Starscream's eye is misaligned when he spots Arcee and Bulkhead approaching.
*Starscream's thruster is not producing any flames or exhaust when Megatron grabs him as he tries to fly away.
*When Ratchet rips away the life support tube from Megatron's chest, we see the buckled hole left from his wounds during the space bridge accident. However, after the Dark Energon shard restores Megatron to life, we see his chest armor completely fixed and sporting a snazzy fresh Decepticon [[insignia|sigil]]. Looks like Dark Energon can be used not only to power evil Decepticon tyrants, but as a super polish as well.

===Continuity notes===
* Arcee hasn't forgotten her trip to the Arctic in "[[Scrapheap (episode)|Scrapheap]]".
* It seems that Megatron was conscious (and able to perfectly remember) when Starscream extracted the fragment of Dark Energon from his chest in "[[Masters & Students]]".
* The fight with the Dark Energon zombies took place in "[[Darkness Rising, Part 4]]".
* Bulkhead and Bumblebee play with a hollowed-out version of the ball he used for lobbing with [[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]] in "[[Con Job]]".
* Raf doesn't know how he understands Bumblebee, as stated in his [[Raf's Notes|notebook]].

===Transformers references===
* Optimus Prime recalls their "end run on [[Polyhex]]".

===Real-world references===
*The Heuck Nigoghossian telescope is named for ''Prime'' directors Vinton Heuck and [[Shaunt Nigoghossian]].
*Starscream [[Wikipedia:The A-Team|loves it when a plan comes together.]]

===Foreign localization===
'''German'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Ausser Kontrolle'''" ("Out of Control")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[December 23|23 December]] [[2011]]

'''Hungarian'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Elbitorolt elme'''" ("Usurped Mind")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[January 26|26 January]] [[2012]]

'''Italian'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Fuori di testa'''" ("Out of Mind")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[November 12|12 November]] [[2011]]

'''Korean'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Du Eolgul ui Beombeulbi'''" (두 얼굴의 범블비, "The Two-Faced Bumblebee")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[October 11|11 October]] [[2011]]

'''Polish'''
:*''Title:'' ?
:*''Original airdate:'' [[December 22|22 December]] [[2011]]

'''Portuguese'''
:*''Title:'' ?
:*''Original airdate:'' [[January 6|6 January]] [[2012]]

===Trivia===
* In the real world, large telescopes use mirrors, not lenses.
* Raf apparently has seven people in his family, including himself. He also has at least two sisters.
* Sierra's friend sits in front of Jack in at least one class (or perhaps homeroom). And yet she is still unnamed.
* Even Raf doesn't know how he understands Bumblebee. [[Sari Sumdac|He's a robot]], isn't he?
* Jack's ringtone is the same as in "[[Darkness Rising, Part 1]]".
* Raf is the first of the humans to see Megatron face to face.
* Raf finally gets to see snow. But does Optimus remember the snowball [[Scrapheap (episode)|he promised to give him]]?
* In the final scene, while Ratchet is talking, Optimus has his battle mask on, despite normally only wearing it when going out on a mission.
* Starscream states that his Dark Energon shard is the only chunk of Dark Energon on Earth. Aside from the one Megatron retrieves, [[One Shall Rise, Part 1|this would be proven wrong later]].
* It's pretty impressive that Starscream kept landing on the spires of the ships. You would think that since Megatron just aimlessly threw him aside, he wouldn't be necessarily aiming for another spire?
* This is the only episode in which Bumblebee has spoken, and it was Megatron inside speaking. (A strange feat considering Bumblebee's voice-box was damaged...)

[[Category:Prime episodes]]

Nemesis Prime (episode)

2012-04-10T06:26:02Z

Arcee-Cola: Undo revision 706391 by Kuruk Hades1995 (Talk) Discription butchered, could barely understand, and doubt it needed quoting

{{disambig3|Nemesis Prime}}
{{episode|
|otherseries=''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'' ep 34
|prev=Crossfire
|next=Grill
|image=NemesisPrime-NemesisPrime.jpg
|caption=The first person to suggest a race gets banned.
|title="Nemesis Prime"
|airdate=[[April 7]], [[2012]]
|written by=[[David McDermott]]
|directed by=[[Todd Waterman]]
|animation studio=[[Polygon Pictures]]
|production company=[[Hasbro Studios]]
}}

'''When Optimus Prime appears to attack Agent Fowler, the Autobots discover MECH's ultimate plan.'''

==Synopsis==
[[William Fowler|Agent Fowler]] drives out of a military base, listening to [[The Touch|a few tunes]], when a semi truck begins to tailgate him too close for comfort. He realizes that it's more than a case of road rage when the truck rams him. Fowler notices a familiar symbol on his attacker's grille-the [[Autobot]] [[insignia|symbol]]. He contacts the Autobot base, where [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] is not present. The apparent Optimus Prime continues to attack, and as Fowler comes upon a bridge, he pushes his car through the divider, where it hangs precariously. The Autobots receive his message and bridge in, causing Prime to flee and [[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] to give chase. [[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]] catches Fowler's car as it falls, but the bumper detaches, and [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] catches it before it hits the ground. Arcee comes upon Optimus, but is knocked out when he runs her over.

The next thing she knows, she's back at base, being checked up on. [[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] doubts Arcee's assertion that Optimus ran her down, and the big 'bot arrives at base. The team goes on guard, but as Optimus offers proof that he's been at an underground energon site, the team stands down.

The other "Optimus" drives full speed into [[Alden Military Base]], wrecking helicopters and prompting chase until he stops. As soldiers surround him and open the door to find no driver, he transforms, and aims a weapon at them. Speaking in Prime's own voice, the double clearly announces himself as Optimus Prime, leader of the Autobots, before laying waste to the base around him. The other Prime tears through lines of soldiers, prompting Optimus, Arcee, Bumblebee and Bulkhead to bridge to his position. The fake retreats, and arriving military helicopters fire on the Autobots. They retreat to base.

Fowler fields a call asking about the attack, and receives the news that all Transformers, regardless of allegiance, are to be shot on sight. The team realizes that [[MECH]] has finally succeeded in replicating Cybertronians, inside and out, using human-made parts after studying Transformer anatomy so carefully.

Meanwhile, the false Prime arrives at a MECH bunker, where it is revealed that the robot is a remotely operated drone unit, with [[Silas]] in the control seat, expressing extreme satisfaction at the test run.

In attempting to locate the MECH base, Optimus notes that, unlike them, the duplicate (dubbed "Nemesis Prime" by Miko) must rely on its vehicle mode to travel, having no access to a [[GroundBridge]]. This places its lair within driving distance of both incidents, giving a range for them to search. The 'bots fan out, and Bumblebee comes upon a large complex. Optimus and the rest plan to rendezvous at his position. He enters, while Silas watches him. He powers up Nemesis Prime, and sends it out. Bumblebee is briefly fooled by the fake, until Silas slips and reveals he cannot understand Bumblebee's speech. The scout attacks but is quickly overpowered by the more imposing robot.

The rest of the Autobots enter the compound, cautious of any lookalikes. Bulkhead and Arcee are both taken out individually, leaving Optimus for the final showdown with his doppelganger.

At base, Ratchet attempts to isolate the control frequency of Nemesis Prime to pinpoint the location of its operator. He does, and Fowler insists on bridging in, citing that he is the one best equipped to deal with the "human element".

Nemesis squares off against Optimus, showing equal strength and agility. Fowler bridges in, and makes for the control bunker as the two Primes continue to spar. Nemesis catches Optimus, and shoves its blade into the Autobot leader. Silas gloats, commenting that he cannot feel pain through the robot, unlike his opponent, and revealing his intentions to build an army of these soldiers, when Fowler enters. They spar as well, and Fowler falls to Silas' superior hand-to-hand combat skills, only to reveal that he was just buying time for Optimus to beat the now-directionless copy. The real Prime dominates Nemesis, and their fight collapses the ceiling of the bunker, sending Silas's creation and a ton of rubble crashing down on top of him, putting Nemesis Prime out of commission in the process.

Optimus meditates on MECH's seemingly impaired functionality, now that it lacks a leader. However, Fowler brings him troubling news — in the pile of wreckage, no body was found.

Elsewhere, a group of MECH scientists monitor Silas' condition, noting that his injuries are terminal by normal standards — but MECH is anything but, as they have the body of [[Breakdown (Prime)|Breakdown]] all wired up for unknown yet ominous purposes.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]] (3)
*[[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] (4)
*[[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] (5)
*[[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] (6)
*[[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] (10)
|c2=
*[[Breakdown (Prime)|Breakdown]] (15)
|c3=
*[[William Fowler]] (1)
*[[Raf Esquivel]] (7)
*[[Miko Nakadai]] (8)
*[[Jack Darby]] (9)
*[[Silas]] (11)
*[[MECH|MECH soldiers]] (12)
*[[MECH Surgeon]] (13)
*[[MECH Commando]] (14)
|c4=
*[[Nemesis Prime (Prime)|Nemesis Prime]] (2)
}}

==Quotes==
"Yes, that's it. Follow the light." 
"Wait, what? Not the best choice of words, Ratchet."
:—'''Ratchet''' and '''Arcee'''

"I am Optimus Prime, leader of the Autobots, and I bring you this message."
:—'''Nemesis Prime''' steals one of Optimus's catchphrases.

"Be on your guard. My double could be anywhere." 
''*Bumblebee beeps a reply*'' 
"I'm sorry. What?"
:—'''Nemesis Prime''' tries and fails to fool Bumblebee.

"The internal damage to his organs is massive, and beyond the scope of conventional medicine. Fortunately for our leader, MECH is anything but conventional."
:—'''MECH Surgeon''' on Silas's future.

==Notes==
===Animation and technical errors===
*When the soldiers confront Nemesis Prime at the military base, right when one says "This is a restricted area!", one of the soldiers is running but not moving in any direction; running in place.
*As Nemesis Prime begins to climb the tower, his battle-mask appears to retract to reveal a face.
*Before Optimus Prime climbs the tower, you can't hear his blaster turn back into his hand.
*Despite being ordered by Optimus to go covert, Arcee does not have her holographic driver on when in her motorcycle form.
*Due to model reuse, Fowler's car has the same [[license plate]] number as June Darby's.
*Once again - and like in most TV shows and movies - Fowler's car spins out of control with the slightest touch to his bumper.
*After calling the Autobots to ask about Optimus, Fowler is seen approaching a bridge at least a half mile away. But, when the camera shifts, it shows him already on the bridge.

===Physics errors===
*Bulkhead is somehow able to fall faster than Fowler's car, despite dropping from the bridge later than it.

===Continuity notes===
* MECH has Breakdown's reassembled remains, which they collected after [[Airachnid]] killed him in "[[Crossfire]]".
* Ratchet recalls MECH's study of Breakdown in "[[Operation: Breakdown]]".
* Optimus recalls the theft of Starscream's T-Cog, which they learned about in "Crossfire" after it happened in "[[Operation Bumblebee, Part 2]]".
* Silas took a scan of Optimus at the end of "[[Convoy (episode)|Convoy]]", which is evidently how he was able to produce a nearly-identical copy of him in this episode.
*Optimus's right blade is repaired at last since the events in "[[One Shall Fall]]".

===Transformers references===
*Fowler listens to an instrumental version of "[[The Touch]]" on his car radio.
*Miko and Ratchet refer to the false Optimus Prime as "Nemesis Prime", a name first established in ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)| Armada]]'' as indicating an evil version of Optimus Prime and used [[Nemesis Prime (disambiguation)|a number of times since]].
*However, the purple color scheme and heavily battered appearance is more closely reminiscent of a very different [[Optimus Prime (SG)|"evil" Optimus Prime]].

===Real-world references===
*The opening scene with Fowler references [[Steven Spielberg]]'s 1971 film ''Duel'', starring an evil truck.

===Trivia===
*Silas is a former member of the Special Tactics branch of the military, while Fowler is an ex-Army Ranger.
*Nemesis Prime's transformation uses a modified version of the regular transformation sound effect, which makes it sound as if the transformation is not as smooth as that of an actual Cybertronian.

[[Category:Prime episodes]]

Nemesis Prime (episode)

2012-04-10T06:20:34Z

Arcee-Cola: Undo revision 706395 by 24.1.38.249 (Talk) I don't know what your talking about, but would it be considered Trivia?

{{disambig3|Nemesis Prime}}
{{episode|
|otherseries=''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'' ep 34
|prev=Crossfire
|next=Grill
|image=NemesisPrime-NemesisPrime.jpg
|caption=The first person to suggest a race gets banned.
|title="Nemesis Prime"
|airdate=[[April 7]], [[2012]]
|written by=[[David McDermott]]
|directed by=[[Todd Waterman]]
|animation studio=[[Polygon Pictures]]
|production company=[[Hasbro Studios]]
}}

'''When Optimus Prime appears to attack Agent Fowler, the Autobots discover MECH's ultimate plan.'''

==Synopsis==
[[William Fowler|Agent Fowler]] drives out of a military base, listening to [[The Touch|a few tunes]], when a semi truck begins to tailgate him too close for comfort. He realizes that it's more than a case of road rage when the truck rams him. Fowler notices a familiar symbol on his attacker's grille-the [[Autobot]] [[insignia|symbol]]. He contacts the Autobot base, where [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] is not present. The apparent Optimus Prime continues to attack, and as Fowler comes upon a bridge, he pushes his car through the divider, where it hangs precariously. The Autobots receive his message and bridge in, causing Prime to flee and [[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] to give chase. [[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]] catches Fowler's car as it falls, but the bumper detaches, and [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] catches it before it hits the ground. Arcee comes upon Optimus, but is knocked out when he runs her over.

The next thing she knows, she's back at base, being checked up on. [[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] doubts Arcee's assertion that Optimus ran her down, and the big 'bot arrives at base. The team goes on guard, but as Optimus offers proof that he's been at an underground energon site, the team stands down.

The other "Optimus" drives full speed into [[Alden Military Base]], wrecking helicopters and prompting chase until he stops. As soldiers surround him and open the door to find no driver, he transforms, and aims a weapon at them. Speaking in Prime's own voice, the double clearly announces himself as Optimus Prime, leader of the Autobots, before laying waste to the base around him. The other Prime tears through lines of soldiers, prompting Optimus, Arcee, Bumblebee and Bulkhead to bridge to his position. The fake retreats, and arriving military helicopters fire on the Autobots. They retreat to base.

Fowler fields a call asking about the attack, and receives the news that all Transformers, regardless of allegiance, are to be shot on sight. The team realizes that [[MECH]] has finally succeeded in replicating Cybertronians, inside and out, using human-made parts after studying Transformer anatomy so carefully.

Meanwhile, the false Prime arrives at a MECH bunker, where it is revealed that the robot is a remotely operated drone unit, with [[Silas]] in the control seat, expressing extreme satisfaction at the test run.

In attempting to locate the MECH base, Optimus notes that, unlike them, the duplicate (dubbed "Nemesis Prime" by Miko) must rely on its vehicle mode to travel, having no access to a [[GroundBridge]]. This places its lair within driving distance of both incidents, giving a range for them to search. The 'bots fan out, and Bumblebee comes upon a large complex. Optimus and the rest plan to rendezvous at his position. He enters, while Silas watches him. He powers up Nemesis Prime, and sends it out. Bumblebee is briefly fooled by the fake, until Silas slips and reveals he cannot understand Bumblebee's speech. The scout attacks but is quickly overpowered by the more imposing robot.

The rest of the Autobots enter the compound, cautious of any lookalikes. Bulkhead and Arcee are both taken out individually, leaving Optimus for the final showdown with his doppelganger.

At base, Ratchet attempts to isolate the control frequency of Nemesis Prime to pinpoint the location of its operator. He does, and Fowler insists on bridging in, citing that he is the one best equipped to deal with the "human element".

Nemesis squares off against Optimus, showing equal strength and agility. Fowler bridges in, and makes for the control bunker as the two Primes continue to spar. Nemesis catches Optimus, and shoves its blade into the Autobot leader. Silas gloats, commenting that he cannot feel pain through the robot, unlike his opponent, and revealing his intentions to build an army of these soldiers, when Fowler enters. They spar as well, and Fowler falls to Silas' superior hand-to-hand combat skills, only to reveal that he was just buying time for Optimus to beat the now-directionless copy. The real Prime dominates Nemesis, and their fight collapses the ceiling of the bunker, sending Silas's creation and a ton of rubble crashing down on top of him, putting Nemesis Prime out of commission in the process.

Optimus meditates on MECH's seemingly impaired functionality, now that it lacks a leader. However, Fowler brings him troubling news — in the pile of wreckage, no body was found.

Elsewhere, a group of MECH scientists monitor Silas' condition, noting that his injuries are terminal by normal standards — but MECH is anything but, as they have the body of [[Breakdown (Prime)|Breakdown]] all wired up for unknown yet ominous purposes.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]] (3)
*[[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] (4)
*[[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] (5)
*[[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] (6)
*[[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] (10)
|c2=
*[[Breakdown (Prime)|Breakdown]] (15)
|c3=
*[[William Fowler]] (1)
*[[Raf Esquivel]] (7)
*[[Miko Nakadai]] (8)
*[[Jack Darby]] (9)
*[[Silas]] (11)
*[[MECH|MECH soldiers]] (12)
*[[MECH Surgeon]] (13)
*[[MECH Commando]] (14)
|c4=
*[[Nemesis Prime (Prime)|Nemesis Prime]] (2)
}}

==Quotes==
"Yes, that's it. Follow the light." 
"Wait, what? Not the best choice of words, Ratchet."
:—'''Ratchet''' and '''Arcee'''

"I am Optimus Prime, leader of the Autobots, and I bring you this message."
:—'''Nemesis Prime''' steals one of Optimus's catchphrases.

"And say "hello" to Nemesis Prime."
:-'''Miko''' is the only first person ever name and mention '''Nemesis Prime''' in the episode

"Be on your guard. My double could be anywhere." 
''*Bumblebee beeps a reply*'' 
"I'm sorry. What?"
:—'''Nemesis Prime''' tries and fails to fool Bumblebee.

"The internal damage to his organs is massive, and beyond the scope of conventional medicine. Fortunately for our leader, MECH is anything but conventional."
:—'''MECH Surgeon''' on Silas's future.

==Notes==
===Animation and technical errors===
*When the soldiers confront Nemesis Prime at the military base, right when one says "This is a restricted area!", one of the soldiers is running but not moving in any direction; running in place.
*As Nemesis Prime begins to climb the tower, his battle-mask appears to retract to reveal a face.
*Before Optimus Prime climbs the tower, you can't hear his blaster turn back into his hand.
*Despite being ordered by Optimus to go covert, Arcee does not have her holographic driver on when in her motorcycle form.
*Due to model reuse, Fowler's car has the same [[license plate]] number as June Darby's.
*Once again - and like in most TV shows and movies - Fowler's car spins out of control with the slightest touch to his bumper.
*After calling the Autobots to ask about Optimus, Fowler is seen approaching a bridge at least a half mile away. But, when the camera shifts, it shows him already on the bridge.

===Physics errors===
*Bulkhead is somehow able to fall faster than Fowler's car, despite dropping from the bridge later than it.

===Continuity notes===
* MECH has Breakdown's reassembled remains, which they collected after [[Airachnid]] killed him in "[[Crossfire]]".
* Ratchet recalls MECH's study of Breakdown in "[[Operation: Breakdown]]".
* Optimus recalls the theft of Starscream's T-Cog, which they learned about in "Crossfire" after it happened in "[[Operation Bumblebee, Part 2]]".
* Silas took a scan of Optimus at the end of "[[Convoy (episode)|Convoy]]", which is evidently how he was able to produce a nearly-identical copy of him in this episode.
*Optimus's right blade is repaired at last since the events in "[[One Shall Fall]]".

===Transformers references===
*Fowler listens to an instrumental version of "[[The Touch]]" on his car radio.
*Miko and Ratchet refer to the false Optimus Prime as "Nemesis Prime", a name first established in ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)| Armada]]'' as indicating an evil version of Optimus Prime and used [[Nemesis Prime (disambiguation)|a number of times since]].
*However, the purple color scheme and heavily battered appearance is more closely reminiscent of a very different [[Optimus Prime (SG)|"evil" Optimus Prime]].

===Real-world references===
*The opening scene with Fowler references [[Steven Spielberg]]'s 1971 film ''Duel'', starring an evil truck.

===Trivia===
*Silas is a former member of the Special Tactics branch of the military, while Fowler is an ex-Army Ranger.
*Nemesis Prime's transformation uses a modified version of the regular transformation sound effect, which makes it sound as if the transformation is not as smooth as that of an actual Cybertronian.

[[Category:Prime episodes]]

Silas

2012-04-09T05:27:46Z

Arcee-Cola:

{{disambig2|the ''Prime'' human|the Brazilian voice actor|Silas Borges}}
:''Silas is a [[human]] from the [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)| Prime]] portion of the [[Aligned continuity family]].''

[[Image:Prime-Silas.jpg|right|thumb|300px|You wanna know how I got these scars?]]

'''Leland "Silas" Bishop'''<ref>[[Bumblebee (Prime)#EntertainmentPack|Bumblebee]] vs. [[Starscream (Prime)#EntertainmentPack|Starscream]] Entertainment Pack packaging.</ref> is the stone-faced leader<ref>[[Raf's Notes]], [http://www.hubworld.com/prime-rafs-notes-entry13 entry #13]</ref> of [[MECH]], whose lethal obsession with [[Transformers|Cybertronian]] biology would boarder on insanity, if his iron-mask of absolute control didn't obscure the sinister conspiracy percolating within.

Proclaiming the desire for a ''new world order,'' Silas and his supporters systematically usurp Decepticon and Autobot agenda in the name of [[Crisscross|research]] and [[Operation: Breakdown|experimentation]] to further [[Project Chimera|[Project Chimera]]], the [[Nemesis Prime (Prime)|product]] of their horrific campaign.

Expenditures be damned, Silas and the soldiers of MECH will exploit every crack in cybertronian [[Starscream (Prime)|armor]] to insure their promise of chaos and terror...

{{quote|There's a war brewing, between the new world order and the newest. The victor will be the side armed with the most innovative technology.|Silas|[[Convoy (episode)|Convoy]]}}

==Fiction==
===''Prime'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Clancy Brown]] (English), [[Oliviero Corbetta]] (Italian), [[Axel Lutter]] (German), [[Humberto Solórzano Almanza|Humberto Solórzano]] (Latin American Spanish)
{{spoiler|Nemesis Prime (episode)|April 14, 2012}}
Silas was once a member of the Special Operations branch of the military. {{storylink|Nemesis Prime (episode)|Nemesis Prime}}

From his helicopter, Silas shot down [[William Fowler]]'s plane transporting the [[Dynamic Nuclear Generation System]]. Soon, Fowler was transporting the device aboard a [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|civilian trailer truck]]. Fowler evaded Silas's men, and when they attempted to open the trailer door, a [[Arcee (Prime)|motorcycle driver]] drove onto one of their cars, causing it to flip over and explode. The convoy passed through a train tunnel, and as it emerged, [[Vehicon (Prime)|mysterious purple planes]] fired on the [[trailer]]. Since there was no radiation emanating from the explosion, Silas realized Fowler must've transferred the device onto the train. Then Silas witnessed the civilian convoy and planes [[transformation|transform]] into robots, and a fight ensued. Silas was pleased to confirm the rumors of [[Transformer|living technology]] on [[Earth]], but flew off to retrieve the DNGS.

A [[Raf Esquivel|hacker]] caused the train to diverge onto a forked track, but Silas's pilot cut the connection. Silas prepared to land on the train as his men finished cutting open the appropriate car's roof, but retreated when he saw the truck robot on the move. He wasn't going to let the enemy leave with his prize, and so fired on the train tracks to cause a crash. The truck robot managed to stop the train, and from the safety of his helicopter, Silas watched his new enemy stare back. He privately congratulated the alien visitor, but noted MECH had the home advantage and vowed to level the playing field, even if it meant dissecting the robot. Silas then flew off. {{storylink|Convoy (episode)|Convoy}}

[[Image:OperationBreakdown-WeAreMECH.jpg|thumb|left|250px|[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BlueAndOrangeMorality Blue and orange morality], blue and orange decor.]]
Silas had his men capture [[Breakdown (Prime)|Breakdown]] during a battle on the [[Kamchatka Peninsula]], taking the captive 'Con to a makeshift base in a deserted railway tunnel so they could dismantle him in peace. He had one of Breakdown's eyes removed and converted into a two-way transmitter, leaving it somewhere obvious, so he could talk to Breakdown's rescuers, and was surprised when Optimus Prime came looking for the Decepticon. Though a bomb waylaid Prime's team, [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] broke into the tunnel and Silas retired to his helicopter outside, where he directed the MECH forces in an attempt to stop Bulkhead and Breakdown from escaping. He was forced to order a retreat when [[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]] arrived with Vehicons, however they had gained enough information from their examination of Breakdown that Silas could initiate [[Project Chimera]]. {{Storylink|Operation: Breakdown}}

[[Image:Crisscross-AirachnidSilas.jpg|thumb|right|250px|What a cute human... shame about the scars.]]
When MECH detected a Decepticon distress signal, Silas took a team to try to secure the Decepticon for MECH's use. Unfortunately it was bait, and [[Airachnid]] was the trap. Airachnid bargained with Silas — find [[Jack Darby]] and she would allow them to keep Arcee after she was done with her. Silas used MECH technology and the web to find information on Jack and had his mother [[June Darby]] kidnapped. Arcee and Jack were lured to a temporary MECH base in a factory. While Airachnid played with Jack, Silas, not believing the Decepticon would keep her part of the deal, ordered his men to extract Arcee's heart. Though the Autobot escaped before they could extract the part and Jack stole Silas's radio to contact Fowler, Silas at least got to witness Airachnid [[scanning]] a new alternate mode. {{storylink|Crisscross}}

[[Image:OperationBumblebee1 Bumblebee's operation.jpg|thumb|left|250px]]
A MECH team led by Silas successfully lured in [[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]], who was stunned by their equipment. While Silas kept an eye out for Bumblebee's partner, the [[MECH Surgeon]] procured a [[transformation cog|T-cog]] from the subject, and Silas called a retreat. They installed it into the robot they'd built as part of Project Chimera, but to Silas's disappointment, it failed to work. Starscream, who had followed them to their base, pointed out that they required Energon to power anything Cybertronian. Starscream proposed an alliance to allow them to find Energon for them to share, which Silas accepted on the condition that there be enough for the army they intended to build. {{storylink|Operation Bumblebee, Part 1}}

After securing a supply of energon, they made another attempt to activate the robot, only for Bumblebee to attack the MECH base. Silas was knocked over during Bumblebee's assault, and instructed Starscream to collect the T-cog and meet them outside. When Starscream arrived without the cog, Silas had the MECH troopers ambush him and take his. {{Storylink|Operation Bumblebee, Part 2}}

{{spoiler|Nemesis Prime (episode)|April 14, 2012}}
With the completion of [[Nemesis Prime (Prime)|Nemesis Prime]], Silas attempted to use their experiment to bump off Agent Fowler. When this failed, he instead used it to attack [[Alden Military Base]] to turn the military against the Autobots. This inevitably drew the Autobots to their base, and Silas used Nemesis Prime to deal with them, but while he was using Nemesis to fight Optimus, Fowler infiltrated the base and attacked him. While Silas was distracted, Optimus defeated Nemesis Prime, the mech falling through the roof on top of Silas. Gravely injured, Silas was spirited away by MECH and hooked up to life support. While the Surgeon stated that nothing could be done for his body, Breakdown's body provided an alternative. {{storylink|Nemesis Prime (episode)|Nemesis Prime}}
{{--}}

===Titan Magazines ''Prime'' comics===
[[Image:Titan4.5 Silas kick.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Right in the mean bean machine.]]
Soon after the bungled operation in which MECH teamed with Airachnid, Silas set out to get his own back on Jack, directing his men to blow up schools. This eventually succeeded and Silas encountered Jack while blowing up [[Franklin High School]]. Trapping the boy in flames, Silas headed for the roof to evacuate by helicopter, only for Jack to follow him via the fire escape and deliver a kick to his nether regions. After taking a moment to recover, Silas took advantage of the helicopter to leave Jack on the roof of the burning building. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.5|School Is... Out!}}
{{--}}

==Toys==
===Prime===
*'''Bumblebee vs. Starscream''' (2012)
: Another release of Deluxe "First Edition" Bumblebee and Starscream comes with figurines of Silas and a MECH soldier, both armed with non-removable assault rifles. Although sculpted in the same style and [[scale]] as the previous Entertainment Pack figures of [[Jack Darby|Jack]], [[Miko Nakadai|Miko]] and [[Raf Esquivel|Raf]], unlike the three kids Silas has neither an articulated head nor is his figure stand removable. Silas' distinctive facial scars are not represented by either sculpting or [[paint operation]]s.

==Notes==
*Silas is voiced by Clancy Brown, is essentially a supervillain, and opposes an [[Superman|alien being clad in red and blue]]. [[Wikipedia:Superman: The Animated Series|Where have we heard this before]]?

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Prime humans]]
[[Category:Terrorists]]

Talk:Silas

2012-04-09T05:23:43Z

Arcee-Cola: /* Deeper personal description */

What was it exactly Silas said about the new world order? [[Special:Contributions/199.185.88.147|199.185.88.147]] 16:05, 19 May 2011 (EDT)

== Name ==
The entertainment pack labels him as Leland '''"'''Silas'''"''' Bishop, which leads me to think it's not a middle name, and that maybe he should stay at [[Silas]], with Leland Bishop redirecting there, as we do with the real names of the TFA supervillains.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 05:15, 17 February 2012 (EST)
:Yes, that seems to be the same way we treat other characters with codenames. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:38, 18 February 2012 (EST)

== Deeper personal description ==

hey guys and gals, I want to play around with his character discription. It's been over a season now, and there have been enough scenes and scenarios involving Silas to give an acurate discription of his personality and involvement with the series thus far. And since with his so-called ''destruction'' in "Nemisis Prime," will change the outcome of his character involvement in episodes to come, I thought now would be a good time to update the ol' Silas wiki-page.

As par usual, if you think this depiction has obscured the integrity of the character or is bordering on the speculative, then feel free to edit.

'''Leland "Silas" Bishop'''<ref>[[Bumblebee (Prime)#EntertainmentPack|Bumblebee]] vs. [[Starscream (Prime)#EntertainmentPack|Starscream]] Entertainment Pack packaging.</ref> is the stone-faced leader<ref>[[Raf's Notes]], [http://www.hubworld.com/prime-rafs-notes-entry13 entry #13]</ref> of [[MECH]], whose lethal obsession with [[Transformers|Cybertronian]] biology would boarder on insanity, if his iron-mask of absolute control didn't obscure the sinister conspiracy percolating within.

Proclaiming a desire for a ''new world order,'' Silas and his supporters systematically usurp Decepticon and Autobot agenda in the name of [[Crisscross|research]] and [[Operation: Breakdown|experimentation]] to further [[Project Chimera|[Project Chimera]]], the [[Nemesis Prime (Prime)|product]] of their horrific campaign.

Expenditures be damned, Silas and the soldiers of MECH will exploit every crack in the cybertronian [[Starscream (Prime)|armor]] to insure their promise of chaos and terror...

okay so that's what I got. I'm going to go ahead and edit now if ya'll down with that. --[[User:Arcee-Cola]] 10:08, 8 April 2012 (EDT)

Silas

2012-04-09T05:22:38Z

Arcee-Cola:

{{disambig2|the ''Prime'' human|the Brazilian voice actor|Silas Borges}}
:''Silas is a [[human]] from the [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)| Prime]] portion of the [[Aligned continuity family]].''

[[Image:Prime-Silas.jpg|right|thumb|300px|You wanna know how I got these scars?]]

'''Leland "Silas" Bishop'''<ref>[[Bumblebee (Prime)#EntertainmentPack|Bumblebee]] vs. [[Starscream (Prime)#EntertainmentPack|Starscream]] Entertainment Pack packaging.</ref> is the stone-faced leader<ref>[[Raf's Notes]], [http://www.hubworld.com/prime-rafs-notes-entry13 entry #13]</ref> of [[MECH]], whose lethal obsession with [[Transformers|Cybertronian]] biology would boarder on insanity, if his iron-mask of absolute control didn't obscure the sinister conspiracy percolating within.

Proclaiming a desire for a ''new world order,'' Silas and his supporters systematically usurp Decepticon and Autobot agenda in the name of [[Crisscross|research]] and [[Operation: Breakdown|experimentation]] to further [[Project Chimera|[Project Chimera]]], the [[Nemesis Prime (Prime)|product]] of their horrific campaign.

Expenditures be damned, Silas and the soldiers of MECH will exploit every crack in the cybertronian [[Starscream (Prime)|armor]] to insure their promise of chaos and terror...

{{quote|There's a war brewing, between the new world order and the newest. The victor will be the side armed with the most innovative technology.|Silas|[[Convoy (episode)|Convoy]]}}

==Fiction==
===''Prime'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Clancy Brown]] (English), [[Oliviero Corbetta]] (Italian), [[Axel Lutter]] (German), [[Humberto Solórzano Almanza|Humberto Solórzano]] (Latin American Spanish)
{{spoiler|Nemesis Prime (episode)|April 14, 2012}}
Silas was once a member of the Special Operations branch of the military. {{storylink|Nemesis Prime (episode)|Nemesis Prime}}

From his helicopter, Silas shot down [[William Fowler]]'s plane transporting the [[Dynamic Nuclear Generation System]]. Soon, Fowler was transporting the device aboard a [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|civilian trailer truck]]. Fowler evaded Silas's men, and when they attempted to open the trailer door, a [[Arcee (Prime)|motorcycle driver]] drove onto one of their cars, causing it to flip over and explode. The convoy passed through a train tunnel, and as it emerged, [[Vehicon (Prime)|mysterious purple planes]] fired on the [[trailer]]. Since there was no radiation emanating from the explosion, Silas realized Fowler must've transferred the device onto the train. Then Silas witnessed the civilian convoy and planes [[transformation|transform]] into robots, and a fight ensued. Silas was pleased to confirm the rumors of [[Transformer|living technology]] on [[Earth]], but flew off to retrieve the DNGS.

A [[Raf Esquivel|hacker]] caused the train to diverge onto a forked track, but Silas's pilot cut the connection. Silas prepared to land on the train as his men finished cutting open the appropriate car's roof, but retreated when he saw the truck robot on the move. He wasn't going to let the enemy leave with his prize, and so fired on the train tracks to cause a crash. The truck robot managed to stop the train, and from the safety of his helicopter, Silas watched his new enemy stare back. He privately congratulated the alien visitor, but noted MECH had the home advantage and vowed to level the playing field, even if it meant dissecting the robot. Silas then flew off. {{storylink|Convoy (episode)|Convoy}}

[[Image:OperationBreakdown-WeAreMECH.jpg|thumb|left|250px|[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BlueAndOrangeMorality Blue and orange morality], blue and orange decor.]]
Silas had his men capture [[Breakdown (Prime)|Breakdown]] during a battle on the [[Kamchatka Peninsula]], taking the captive 'Con to a makeshift base in a deserted railway tunnel so they could dismantle him in peace. He had one of Breakdown's eyes removed and converted into a two-way transmitter, leaving it somewhere obvious, so he could talk to Breakdown's rescuers, and was surprised when Optimus Prime came looking for the Decepticon. Though a bomb waylaid Prime's team, [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] broke into the tunnel and Silas retired to his helicopter outside, where he directed the MECH forces in an attempt to stop Bulkhead and Breakdown from escaping. He was forced to order a retreat when [[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]] arrived with Vehicons, however they had gained enough information from their examination of Breakdown that Silas could initiate [[Project Chimera]]. {{Storylink|Operation: Breakdown}}

[[Image:Crisscross-AirachnidSilas.jpg|thumb|right|250px|What a cute human... shame about the scars.]]
When MECH detected a Decepticon distress signal, Silas took a team to try to secure the Decepticon for MECH's use. Unfortunately it was bait, and [[Airachnid]] was the trap. Airachnid bargained with Silas — find [[Jack Darby]] and she would allow them to keep Arcee after she was done with her. Silas used MECH technology and the web to find information on Jack and had his mother [[June Darby]] kidnapped. Arcee and Jack were lured to a temporary MECH base in a factory. While Airachnid played with Jack, Silas, not believing the Decepticon would keep her part of the deal, ordered his men to extract Arcee's heart. Though the Autobot escaped before they could extract the part and Jack stole Silas's radio to contact Fowler, Silas at least got to witness Airachnid [[scanning]] a new alternate mode. {{storylink|Crisscross}}

[[Image:OperationBumblebee1 Bumblebee's operation.jpg|thumb|left|250px]]
A MECH team led by Silas successfully lured in [[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]], who was stunned by their equipment. While Silas kept an eye out for Bumblebee's partner, the [[MECH Surgeon]] procured a [[transformation cog|T-cog]] from the subject, and Silas called a retreat. They installed it into the robot they'd built as part of Project Chimera, but to Silas's disappointment, it failed to work. Starscream, who had followed them to their base, pointed out that they required Energon to power anything Cybertronian. Starscream proposed an alliance to allow them to find Energon for them to share, which Silas accepted on the condition that there be enough for the army they intended to build. {{storylink|Operation Bumblebee, Part 1}}

After securing a supply of energon, they made another attempt to activate the robot, only for Bumblebee to attack the MECH base. Silas was knocked over during Bumblebee's assault, and instructed Starscream to collect the T-cog and meet them outside. When Starscream arrived without the cog, Silas had the MECH troopers ambush him and take his. {{Storylink|Operation Bumblebee, Part 2}}

{{spoiler|Nemesis Prime (episode)|April 14, 2012}}
With the completion of [[Nemesis Prime (Prime)|Nemesis Prime]], Silas attempted to use their experiment to bump off Agent Fowler. When this failed, he instead used it to attack [[Alden Military Base]] to turn the military against the Autobots. This inevitably drew the Autobots to their base, and Silas used Nemesis Prime to deal with them, but while he was using Nemesis to fight Optimus, Fowler infiltrated the base and attacked him. While Silas was distracted, Optimus defeated Nemesis Prime, the mech falling through the roof on top of Silas. Gravely injured, Silas was spirited away by MECH and hooked up to life support. While the Surgeon stated that nothing could be done for his body, Breakdown's body provided an alternative. {{storylink|Nemesis Prime (episode)|Nemesis Prime}}
{{--}}

===Titan Magazines ''Prime'' comics===
[[Image:Titan4.5 Silas kick.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Right in the mean bean machine.]]
Soon after the bungled operation in which MECH teamed with Airachnid, Silas set out to get his own back on Jack, directing his men to blow up schools. This eventually succeeded and Silas encountered Jack while blowing up [[Franklin High School]]. Trapping the boy in flames, Silas headed for the roof to evacuate by helicopter, only for Jack to follow him via the fire escape and deliver a kick to his nether regions. After taking a moment to recover, Silas took advantage of the helicopter to leave Jack on the roof of the burning building. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.5|School Is... Out!}}
{{--}}

==Toys==
===Prime===
*'''Bumblebee vs. Starscream''' (2012)
: Another release of Deluxe "First Edition" Bumblebee and Starscream comes with figurines of Silas and a MECH soldier, both armed with non-removable assault rifles. Although sculpted in the same style and [[scale]] as the previous Entertainment Pack figures of [[Jack Darby|Jack]], [[Miko Nakadai|Miko]] and [[Raf Esquivel|Raf]], unlike the three kids Silas has neither an articulated head nor is his figure stand removable. Silas' distinctive facial scars are not represented by either sculpting or [[paint operation]]s.

==Notes==
*Silas is voiced by Clancy Brown, is essentially a supervillain, and opposes an [[Superman|alien being clad in red and blue]]. [[Wikipedia:Superman: The Animated Series|Where have we heard this before]]?

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Prime humans]]
[[Category:Terrorists]]

Talk:Silas

2012-04-09T05:19:06Z

Arcee-Cola:

What was it exactly Silas said about the new world order? [[Special:Contributions/199.185.88.147|199.185.88.147]] 16:05, 19 May 2011 (EDT)

== Name ==
The entertainment pack labels him as Leland '''"'''Silas'''"''' Bishop, which leads me to think it's not a middle name, and that maybe he should stay at [[Silas]], with Leland Bishop redirecting there, as we do with the real names of the TFA supervillains.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 05:15, 17 February 2012 (EST)
:Yes, that seems to be the same way we treat other characters with codenames. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:38, 18 February 2012 (EST)

== Deeper personal description ==

hey guys and gals, I want to play around with his character discription. It's been over a season now, and there have been enough scenes and scenarios involving Silas to give an acurate discription of his personality and involvement with the series thus far. And since with his so-called ''destruction'' in "Nemisis Prime," will change the outcome of his character involvement in episodes to come, I thought now would be a good time to update the ol' Silas wiki-page.

As par usual, if you think this depiction has obscured the integrity of the character or is bordering on the speculative, then feel free to edit.

'''Leland "Silas" Bishop'''<ref>[[Bumblebee (Prime)#EntertainmentPack|Bumblebee]] vs. [[Starscream (Prime)#EntertainmentPack|Starscream]] Entertainment Pack packaging.</ref> is the stone-faced leader<ref>[[Raf's Notes]], [http://www.hubworld.com/prime-rafs-notes-entry13 entry #13]</ref> of [[MECH]], whose lethal obsession with [[Transformers|Cybertronian]] biology would boarder on insanity, if his iron-mask of absolute control didn't obscure the sinister agenda percolating within.

Proclaiming a desire for a ''new world order,'' Silas and his supporters systematically usurp Decepticon and Autobot agenda in the name of [[Crisscross|research]] and [[Operation: Breakdown|experimentation]] to further [[Project Chimera|[Project Chimera]]], the [[Nemesis Prime (Prime)|product]] of their sinister campaign.

Expenditures be damned, Silas and the soldiers of MECH will exploit every crack in the cybertronian [[Starscream (Prime)|armor]] to insure their promise of chaos and terror...

okay so that's what I got. I'm going to go ahead and edit now if ya'll down with that. --[[User:Arcee-Cola]] 10:08, 8 April 2012 (EDT)

User:Arcee-Cola

2012-04-09T03:23:06Z

Arcee-Cola:

Talk:Dreadwing (Prime)

2012-04-09T03:04:32Z

Arcee-Cola:

Can somebody unprotect this page? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 12:16, 2 February 2012 (EST)
:Less than three hours, and already some anon shat one out and we had to protect it again. Sigh. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:58, 2 February 2012 (EST)
Can this page become unprotected? After all, Dreadwing has appeared in a commercial. {{unsigned|72.45.57.176|16:10, 11 March 2012 (EDT)}}
:Given that there is still absolutely nothing to say about him, and each time we've left it unlocked in the past someone has messed it up, we'll just wait until he actually appears. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:21, 11 March 2012 (EDT)

Hey, I thought of something funny to add. The Transformers Prime staff explicitly that they weren't going to use redeco characters, right? Well, lookit what we have here.--[[Special:Contributions/184.100.243.196|184.100.243.196]] 23:29, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
:That boat sailed when they had [[Tailgate (Prime)|Tailgate]] be a recolor of [[Cliffjumper (Prime)|Cliffjumper]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:35, 25 March 2012 (EDT)

Tailgate wasn't clearly shown, and ''similar'' body type isn't uncommon; I point to Animated and WFC. Outright recolors? Not so much. And if that is the case, Tailgate could get a mention too in the trivia note.--[[Special:Contributions/184.100.243.196|184.100.243.196]] 00:23, 26 March 2012 (EDT)
: "This is the first time this has happened except for that other time" is not a great note. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:39, 26 March 2012 (EDT)

I don't mean like the first time, I mean like making a joke of it. Example:
:"At [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bulsLCSSkfo&t=45m1s BotCon 2011], the writers of Prime explicitly said that Redeco characters would not be used. Ask Dreadwing and [[Tailgate (Prime)|Tailgate]] about how well that worked out."
Eh? Eh?--[[Special:Contributions/184.100.243.196|184.100.243.196]] 01:08, 26 March 2012 (EDT)

Can we add some trivia to this page, including the above controversy over not using redecos, as well as the fact that this guy is basically [[Dirge (G1)]|Dirge]]? [[Special:Contributions/98.215.52.59|98.215.52.59]] 17:36, 28 March 2012 (EDT)
:There is no "controversy" and Dreadwing is not Dirge. We do not make notes for the sake for notes. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:34, 28 March 2012 (EDT)
::Um, can you read? They said they wouldn't use a redeco and yet they did. Also, are you oblivious to the similarities between the two? Cross-references, especially for the sake of humor, are this wiki's bread and butter. [[Special:Contributions/98.215.52.59|98.215.52.59]] 02:36, 29 March 2012 (EDT)
:::You're very imperious for an IP address. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:55, 29 March 2012 (EDT)

I want to add something about Dreadwing's since of 'integrity' that he apparently withholds and has outwardly shown through previous episodes. He seems to be defined as fiercely loyal to his superiors as well as the 'cons he deems 'family', however he has twice now shown honer in demilitarize himself and saving face in front of opposing odds; deciding to disarm conflict by choosing to consider the consequences of his actions, resulting in sparing multiple autobot sparks. It hardly seems aligned with Wheeljack's 'cold-hearted killer' description he was given earlier. Obviously there is more than meets the eye when dealing with Dreadwing, leading me to believe he's far more complex then first considered.

Anyway, I wanted to just add something about his 'integrity' in his bio, tell me if this is too much or tilting on the speculative...

"In addition to his calculative tactics, cool-minded leadership, and fierce loyalty, Dreadwing has outwardly shown a sense of ''integrity'' not normally characterized by the Decepticon agenda. During situations of dwindling odds, Dreadwing considers all possibilites in battle and the resulting consequences from hasty decisions. In order to secure a profitable triumph or the welfare of his [[Megatron (Prime)|sovereign lord]], the dreaded seeker will ''save face'' in addition to saving the sparks of a few Autobots, if it meant to secure a clean victory and a battle for another day..."

What do you guys think, is it a go to add? [[Arcee-Cola]] 11:21, 30 March 2012 (EDT)

:Well I'm going to go ahead and add it since no one has said otherwise. Go ahead and edit if you see differently. [[Arcee-Cola]] 10:26, 2 April 2012 (EDT)

:: Uh.... or apparently not. This page is locked. Can I get an assest up in here? [[Arcee-Cola]] 10:27, 2 April 2012 (EDT)

::: Yay! Now I'm gonna finally edit this thing. Best thing to happen before I beat the hay with a hammer! I hope everyone likes it. [[User:Arcee-Cola|Arcee-Cola]] 2:25, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
::::It's... really speculative-y and really goes to lengths to define his personality based on small events in a grand total of two episodes... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:06, 8 April 2012 (EDT)

:::::Really? I thought it was rather spot-on, but regardless Dreadwing does seem to outwardly express himself in a "moralized" frame of mind than other Decepticons. That's personally why I enjoy his character so much right now. Thus far every action and decision he has made has been for 'justice,' 'loyalty,' or 'tactical victory,' meaning that he obviously doesn't point, shoot, and charge, like so many other 'cons. Personally I think he's a breath of fresh air in an otherwise cliche environment, and hope that he "does" turn out to be the level-minded loyal warrior of integrity he has so far demonstrated. However, as you said it has only been 2 episodes. --[[User:Arcee-Cola|Arcee-Cola]] 8:01, 8 April 2012 (EDT)

Hey maybe we should mention that Dreadwing appeared in season ''' 2''' episode ''' 6 ''' and Skyquake appeared in season ''' 1 ''' episode ''' 6 '''. {{unsigned|Gamemaster}}
:I think that's pushing it! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:17, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
::Really? I thought it was quite the fun fact........ {{unsigned|Gamemaster}}
:::Transformers has a lot of coincidences like that. They're really just coincidences. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:23, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
::::Oh....huh....well I guess I need to pay more attention from now on!

Dreadwing (Prime)

2012-04-08T09:31:41Z

Arcee-Cola:

{{faction|decepticon}}
{{disambig3|Dreadwing}}

:''Dreadwing is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Aligned continuity family]].''

[[Image:LooseCannons-Dreadwing.jpg|right|thumb|300px|It's not revenge I'm looking for. It's justice.]]

'''Dreadwing''', a split-[[Spark]] [[twin]] of [[Skyquake (Prime)|Skyquake]], was the captain of an army of [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]]s, and is an expert in explosives. Like Skyquake, Dreadwing is intensely loyal to Megatron, though his loyalty to his twin may be stronger. However unlike his brother, Dreadwing is better at keeping his temper in check.

In addition to his calculative tactics, cool-minded leadership, and fierce loyalty, Dreadwing has outwardly shown a sense of ''integrity'' not normally characterized by the Decepticon agenda. During situations of dwindling odds, Dreadwing considers all possibilites within battle and the resulting consequences from hasty decisions. In order to secure a profitable triumph or the welfare of his [[Megatron (Prime)|sovereign lord]], the dreaded seeker will ''save face,'' in addition to saving the sparks of a few Autobots, if it meant to secure a clean victory and a battle for another day...

==Fiction==
===''Prime'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[Tony Todd]] (English)}}
Dreadwing felt his brother's death, but stopped off to kill [[Seaspray (Prime)|Seaspray]] on his way to [[Earth]] to investigate. He was followed by [[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]] with whom he had a brief battle before scanning a new [[alternate mode]] and reporting to [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]]. Having been filled in on his brother's death, Dreadwing was keen for some avenging, despite Megatron's orders, and lured Wheeljack and [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] into a trap. Using Bulkhead as bait, Dreadwing intended to kill [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]]. However, the Autobot leader was tougher than Dreadwing anticipated, and he was forced to disarm the bomb he'd planted on Bulkhead and retreat back to the ''Nemesis''. {{storylink|Loose Cannons}}

Megatron assigned Dreadwing the task of ridding them of [[Airachnid]], and Dreadwing took [[Breakdown (Prime)|Breakdown]] along on the mission with him. Unfortunately Breakdown's temper resulted in Airachnid attacking them and webbing Dreadwing to a tree. With the apparent loss of Breakdown, Dreadwing returned to the ''Nemesis'' to face a disappointed Megatron. When Megatron himself later went to find Airachnid, Dreadwing followed him, and after a standoff, was able to rescue his leader from the Autobots after giving his word not to shoot. However Megatron did not give his and had his troops open fire on them as he and Dreadwing made their getaway, while telling Dreadwing that he would make a fine second in command. {{storylink|Crossfire}}

==Toys==
===Prime===
[[Image:PrimeCyberversetoy-DreadwingCommander.jpg|right|thumb|300px|[[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]]'s Son Strikes!]]
*'''Dreadwing''' (Cyberverse Commander, 2012)
{{comingsoontoy}}

*'''Dreadwing''' (Voyager, 2012)
{{comingsoontoy}}

[[Category:Prime Decepticons]]
[[Category:Seekers]]

Dreadwing (Prime)

2012-04-08T09:30:26Z

Arcee-Cola:

{{faction|decepticon}}
{{disambig3|Dreadwing}}

:''Dreadwing is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Aligned continuity family]].''

[[Image:LooseCannons-Dreadwing.jpg|right|thumb|300px|It's not revenge I'm looking for. It's justice.]]

'''Dreadwing''', a split-[[Spark]] [[twin]] of [[Skyquake (Prime)|Skyquake]], was the captain of an army of [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]]s, and is an expert in explosives. Like Skyquake, Dreadwing is intensely loyal to Megatron, though his loyalty to his twin may be stronger. However unlike his brother, Dreadwing is better at keeping his temper in check.

In addition to his calculative tactics, cool-minded leadership, and fierce loyalty, Dreadwing has outwardly shown a sense of ''integrity'' not normally characterized by the Decepticon agenda. During situations of dwindling odds, Dreadwing considers all possibilites in battle and the resulting consequences from hasty decisions. In order to secure a profitable triumph or the welfare of his [[Megatron (Prime)|sovereign lord]], the dreaded seeker will ''save face'' in addition to saving the sparks of a few Autobots, if it meant to secure a clean victory and a battle for another day...

==Fiction==
===''Prime'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[Tony Todd]] (English)}}
Dreadwing felt his brother's death, but stopped off to kill [[Seaspray (Prime)|Seaspray]] on his way to [[Earth]] to investigate. He was followed by [[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]] with whom he had a brief battle before scanning a new [[alternate mode]] and reporting to [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]]. Having been filled in on his brother's death, Dreadwing was keen for some avenging, despite Megatron's orders, and lured Wheeljack and [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] into a trap. Using Bulkhead as bait, Dreadwing intended to kill [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]]. However, the Autobot leader was tougher than Dreadwing anticipated, and he was forced to disarm the bomb he'd planted on Bulkhead and retreat back to the ''Nemesis''. {{storylink|Loose Cannons}}

Megatron assigned Dreadwing the task of ridding them of [[Airachnid]], and Dreadwing took [[Breakdown (Prime)|Breakdown]] along on the mission with him. Unfortunately Breakdown's temper resulted in Airachnid attacking them and webbing Dreadwing to a tree. With the apparent loss of Breakdown, Dreadwing returned to the ''Nemesis'' to face a disappointed Megatron. When Megatron himself later went to find Airachnid, Dreadwing followed him, and after a standoff, was able to rescue his leader from the Autobots after giving his word not to shoot. However Megatron did not give his and had his troops open fire on them as he and Dreadwing made their getaway, while telling Dreadwing that he would make a fine second in command. {{storylink|Crossfire}}

==Toys==
===Prime===
[[Image:PrimeCyberversetoy-DreadwingCommander.jpg|right|thumb|300px|[[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]]'s Son Strikes!]]
*'''Dreadwing''' (Cyberverse Commander, 2012)
{{comingsoontoy}}

*'''Dreadwing''' (Voyager, 2012)
{{comingsoontoy}}

[[Category:Prime Decepticons]]
[[Category:Seekers]]

Talk:Dreadwing (Prime)

2012-04-08T09:27:11Z

Arcee-Cola:

Talk:Nemesis Prime (episode)

2012-04-08T09:17:08Z

Arcee-Cola: /* Physics much? */

== Extending protection period ==

Is there any chance we can delay unprotection for a week after it airs so we can avoid the inevitable glut of anons adding dumb crap? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:45, 3 April 2012 (EDT)
:I second that. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 18:05, 7 April 2012 (EDT)
::I disagree! Not all anon contributions are bad, and the Crossfire page would be a lot barer without them. Also, we're a wiki "that anyone can edit or add to" according to our own main page. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:38, 7 April 2012 (EDT)

== Trivia Change (spoiler warning) ==

"No Decepticons appear in this episode"

What do you call Breakdown's body, then?
:Whoops, forgot about that. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 21:23, 7 April 2012 (EDT)
::Technically he's not a Decepticon any more! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:36, 8 April 2012 (EDT)

== Military base ==

Can someone with the closed captions available grab the name of the military base Nemesis attacks partway through? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:01, 8 April 2012 (EDT)

== Physics much? ==

Um hey guys, I think the writers of Transformers prime ignored the forces of physics in this episode. When Fowlers car dropped and Bulkhead jumped after it, Bulkhead hit the ground first and caught the sedan with a wait period of about 1 minute or so from jump to landing. Now my father is an astro physicist for NASA and i spoke to him about this (even showed him the episode) and he said that all physical dynamics was thrown out the window. Objects dropped at different times will land at different times. Meaning Fowlers car should have landed first regardless of how heavy Bulkhead is. This is because weight doesn't affect the acceleration of an object being dropped. Like the feather and the bowling ball, if dropped at the same time, will land at the same time. The only way that scenario can change is if you factor in the variable of wind resistance, and in the case of the feather and the bowling ball, then yes, the feather would experience more wind resistance and fall after the bowling ball, which would experience less. This is because of mass, and the shape of the object. (I.E is it aerodynamic or not?) However both Fowlers car and the obviously bulky Blulkhead both have obscured non-aerodynamic shapes and great mass (Bulkhead having slightly more mass) their wind resistance would be close to absolutely similar. My father (the astrophysicist) having seen the episode and Bulkheads size versus the car still believed that their wind resistance would be very similar and have little affect on the outcome of the fall. (Like seeing a Simi versus a Sedan fall out of a plane, the Sedan would still land first, therefor so should Fowlers car.) The fact that Bulkhead landed first with ENOUGH TIME to catch Fowlers sedan is just... impossible.

Can we add something about this phenomenon under the technical errors tab? --[[User:Arcee-Cola|Arcee-Cola]] 1:20, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
:Yes, that sequence totally ignored the laws of physics, no question. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:46, 8 April 2012 (EDT)

:: Thanks, glad I and my physics-minded father could help out. You know, maybe if Bulkhead had some serious alien tech-like gravity boots or due-ex-machina whathaveyou, then maybe, maaaaybe, the ridiculousness could obscure the obvious middle finger to illimitable laws of physics. Take that Sir Isaac Newton! --[[User:Arcee-Cola|Arcee-Cola]] 2:15, 8 April 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Nemesis Prime (episode)

2012-04-08T09:16:41Z

Arcee-Cola: /* Physics much? */

== Extending protection period ==

Is there any chance we can delay unprotection for a week after it airs so we can avoid the inevitable glut of anons adding dumb crap? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:45, 3 April 2012 (EDT)
:I second that. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 18:05, 7 April 2012 (EDT)
::I disagree! Not all anon contributions are bad, and the Crossfire page would be a lot barer without them. Also, we're a wiki "that anyone can edit or add to" according to our own main page. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:38, 7 April 2012 (EDT)

== Trivia Change (spoiler warning) ==

"No Decepticons appear in this episode"

What do you call Breakdown's body, then?
:Whoops, forgot about that. -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 21:23, 7 April 2012 (EDT)
::Technically he's not a Decepticon any more! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:36, 8 April 2012 (EDT)

== Military base ==

Can someone with the closed captions available grab the name of the military base Nemesis attacks partway through? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:01, 8 April 2012 (EDT)

== Physics much? ==

Um hey guys, I think the writers of Transformers prime ignored the forces of physics in this episode. When Fowlers car dropped and Bulkhead jumped after it, Bulkhead hit the ground first and caught the sedan with a wait period of about 1 minute or so from jump to landing. Now my father is an astro physicist for NASA and i spoke to him about this (even showed him the episode) and he said that all physical dynamics was thrown out the window. Objects dropped at different times will land at different times. Meaning Fowlers car should have landed first regardless of how heavy Bulkhead is. This is because weight doesn't affect the acceleration of an object being dropped. Like the feather and the bowling ball, if dropped at the same time, will land at the same time. The only way that scenario can change is if you factor in the variable of wind resistance, and in the case of the feather and the bowling ball, then yes, the feather would experience more wind resistance and fall after the bowling ball, which would experience less. This is because of mass, and the shape of the object. (I.E is it aerodynamic or not?) However both Fowlers car and the obviously bulky Blulkhead both have obscured non-aerodynamic shapes and great mass (Bulkhead having slightly more mass) their wind resistance would be close to absolutely similar. My father (the astrophysicist) having seen the episode and Bulkheads size versus the car still believed that their wind resistance would be very similar and have little affect on the outcome of the fall. (Like seeing a Simi versus a Sedan fall out of a plane, the Sedan would still land first, therefor so should Fowlers car.) The fact that Bulkhead landed first with ENOUGH TIME to catch Fowlers sedan is just... impossible.

Can we add something about this phenomenon under the technical errors tab? --[[User:Arcee-Cola|Arcee-Cola]] 1:20, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
:Yes, that sequence totally ignored the laws of physics, no question. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:46, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
:: Thanks, glad I and my physics-minded father could help out. You know, maybe if Bulkhead had some serious alien tech-like gravity boots or due-ex-machina whathaveyou, then maybe, maaaaybe, the ridiculousness could obscure the obvious middle finger to illimitable laws of physics. Take that Sir Isaac Newton! --[[User:Arcee-Cola|Arcee-Cola]] 2:15, 8 April 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Nemesis Prime (episode)

2012-04-08T08:35:19Z

Arcee-Cola:

User:Arcee-Cola

2012-04-08T08:33:49Z

Arcee-Cola: New page: There needs to be something here...

There needs to be something here...

Talk:Nemesis Prime (episode)

2012-04-08T08:23:01Z

Arcee-Cola:

Talk:Dreadwing (Prime)

2012-04-03T05:29:55Z

Arcee-Cola:

Talk:Dreadwing (Prime)

2012-04-03T05:27:37Z

Arcee-Cola:

Talk:Dreadwing (Prime)

2012-04-01T06:22:53Z

Arcee-Cola:

Talk:Transformers: Prime (cartoon)

2012-04-01T01:20:09Z

Arcee-Cola: /* Dead Character Column? */ new section

== Disambig ==

Should this page be disambiguated from the [[Transformers 2010 (franchise)]] page? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:28, 9 December 2009 (EST)
: I think so, yes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:21, 10 December 2009 (EST)

== Character list ==
Unicron was voiced by John Noble per the character listing on 1 Shall Rise, pt 1.

Forgive me for being overly cautious, but since it's been stated that Michael Bell has auditioned for the roles of Ratchet and Fowler, can we begin a preliminary character list? - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:38, 14 December 2009 (EST)

:I'm okay with that as long as we are foolishly optimistic enough to leave Optimus Prime and Megatron OFF the character list until confirmed. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:46, 14 December 2009 (EST)
::HAHAHAHAHA!!!!--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:52, 14 December 2009 (EST)

:::EVEN THOUGH I KNOW IT WILL BE FOR NAUGHT, THE VERY CONCEPT FILLS MY HEART WITH GLADNESS. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:03, 14 December 2009 (EST)

::::Maybe, for the same reason, the character list should just be "characters" and not presume to put them in "Autobots", "Decepticons", and "Humans". Who knows? There could be Maximals! - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:10, 14 December 2009 (EST)
:::::Or Unicron's Heralds, for that matter! --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:46, 14 December 2009 (EST)
::::::Malignus, Mutants, Throttlebots, Spacebots, Spacecons... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:26, 14 December 2009 (EST)
::::::Unicron, would I love a set of stories focussing mainly on the Chaos Bringer's faction. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:49, 14 December 2009 (EST)
I'm tempted to say that we shouldn't include Bumblebee on the list just yet because we don't know 100% that the yellow robot on the Hub logo is Bumblebee, but I seriously doubt that anybody would toy around (no pun intended) with the general looks of a popular Transformers character (though that would be an awesome twist). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 15:29, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

==Titling==
Shouldn't it be "Prime (cartoon)", considering our stupid rule of removing "Transformers" from article titles? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:01, 6 February 2010 (EST)

:[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Nope]]!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:04, 6 February 2010 (EST)

::I thought the reason we went with "Transformers Animated" is because there was no colon, and therefore "Animated" wasn't a subtitle? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:08, 6 February 2010 (EST)

:::I honestly don't recall there being a colon in just about any TF title. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:09, 6 February 2010 (EST)

::::We make exceptions for phrases. This isn't one. I mean, we even had a big ado over moving the ROTF article to be without the "Transformers". [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:13, 6 February 2010 (EST)

:::::"Transformers Animated" is much a exception, so it go with the full name. If the title is "Transformers: Prime" when it start airing, I will vote for the "Prime (cartoon)". --''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]''04:09, 6 February 2010 (EST)

== Hub picture ==

Now that we got the logo for 'Transformers: Prime', should we get rid of the Hub logo? I say we do, but I wouldn't object to holding on to it until we get an image solely of Bumblebee. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 07:53, 3 May 2010 (EDT)
:There's room, so we might as well keep it for now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 08:00, 3 May 2010 (EDT)

== Can we get this article locked if it hasn't been already? ==

I expect a number of (mostly anonymous) editors may attempt to follow a relatively new TFW2005.com staffer's lead and paste in an unverified, uncited cast list from Wikipedia into this article. Thanks. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:12, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
:I personally disagree with locking this article. The show should be debuting within the next six months or so, therefore I imagine Hasbro will give us some tidbits of information (not to mention actors' websites, like [[Jeffrey Combs]]). However, if this article does get locked until a later date, I won't make a big deal out of it. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 23:36, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
::It's only blocked against editing by unregistered users. If an unregistered user has a legit piece of info to be added, they can always use the talk page to bring it up. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:45, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
:::Or register and then add it directly. (They should still provide citations/links for proof if need be, of course.)--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 05:12, 8 May 2010 (EDT)

== Continuity ==

Might just be me, but shouldn't we place this under "War For Cybertron" continuity or something? Apparantly, it follows the game (or at least the prequel comic, according to the page itself.

-ThiAthEhn
:I'm still not clear on where [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] got that from, since it's uncited. We really need to wait and see before we make a decision. Plus if WFC and Prime are in the same continuity, an argument could be made to place WFC in the Prime continuity rather than the other way around.--[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:14, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
::Ask Walky. [[Talk:Dion#Dion is Jazz?|He assured me that the link between WfC and ''Prime'' has been confirmed]], but just didn't mention where or when. That's why I added the {{tl|fact}} tag, so that he or someone else could cite it. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 05:45, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
:::Aha! I see! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 06:19, 12 May 2010 (EDT)

So isn't the "link" with WfC just speculation from someone working at TFWiki? There's no citation, and should not be under "CONFIRMED news." --[[Special:Contributions/75.28.55.135|75.28.55.135]] 21:37, 9 June 2010 (EDT)

:I believe Walky said it came directly from the Hasbro reps at toy fair. If so that's confirmed enough for me. And if it turns out to be wrong... eh, we'll know for sure in two weeks at Botcon anyway. That's soon enough to just wait and deal with it then. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:31, 9 June 2010 (EDT)

== Chartacter list ==

If It's not Bumblebee, who '''''CAN''''' it be?[[User:TOM|TOM]] 11:08, 16 May 2010 (EDT)
:Yellow Cliffjumper, Bumper, Hot Shot, Armada Sparkplug... it's ''likely'' that it's Bumblebee, but there are other people that look like him. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:21, 16 May 2010 (EDT)
::Or a brand new character. I'm very certain that it is Bumblebee, but the producers may blow our minds and say, "Hey, you know your buddy, Bumblebee? Well, he's actually (place bad guy name here) in disguise. Remember Longarm Prime in ''Transformers Animated''? Btw, TOM, to add a comment to a topic, just hit the edit button on top of the page and place your comment below the last comment. You can use colons in front of your statement to space it from the margin. You're learning the ropes and I'm glad you're making an honest effort to benefit this wiki, so don't give up. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 13:28, 16 May 2010 (EDT)

==New continuity family!==
Hey, remember when I said WFC/Prime is probably Primax? Well, I lied! After BotCon's flurry of information I think it's going to have to be its own thing. Not only because, well, it deserves to be, but because it will make our lives a lot easier and our pages a lot clearer. Back when the movie came out, we also considered making THAT G1, but declined when we realized the sheer amount of material and focus would make it impractical. The same here. Also, comments from Aaron Archer put the new continuity in perspective.

He ALSO doesn't like calling it "Prime," since that's not what he wants to call it, but it's all we got at the moment. He doesn't have a name for this new continuity (family), but is trying to think of one eventually. So, uh, in the meantime, I think we're stuck with calling it "Prime." Dem's the breaks until we get a time machine and can ask 2012 Aaron Archer or whatever. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:01, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah, EVERYTHING was already pointing in the way of a new continuity family, so I'm glad the wiki now has the green light to separate this stuff. Not that that will spare me from redoing certain location articles, but it's at least a lot easier. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:58, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:P.S., do Demolishor (WFC) and Slipstream (WFC) have to be moved now? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:59, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::Optimus Prime (Prime)? Reminds me of [[Cyclonus (Armada)]]. Anyway, looks like we're going to have to fix a lot of links and move a fair bit of information related to the War for Cybertron pages. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 12:12, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::I concur completely. This seems very much like a new continuity, albeit with very strong G1 and Movie influences, though the Unicron Trilogy and Animated get some characters and ideas dropped in as well.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:22, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::As I said on [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]] ":I'm beginning to wonder if the "G1 continuity family" is heading towards collapse under its own weight. I'm not sure there will ever be another franchise that isn't "terribly G1y" in the future. The discussion a few years back about whether Movie and Animated belonged in their own continuity families, the synthetic nature of the Hall of Fame bios, the integration of Mini-Cons into G1 universes, all point towards a blending effect in TF universes." --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:42, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

While Archer may not like calling it "Prime," that ''would'' seem to be the parenthetical if we follow the same protocol we did for the Unicron Trilogy. Franchise of origin and all. Alternately, we could tag all of them (WFC) if they first appeared in that game, but that doesn't seem quite right.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:46, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:Then we'd wind up with another Shattered Glass/Timelines situation where it really made no sense why some were tagged one way and some another (at least not to the more casual fan). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:50, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::Exodus had the same street-date as WFC, didn't it? I know we're having this discussion simultaneously on Allspark, which... probably isn't a good idea.... but I suggested "EWP" as a suffix until something better comes along. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:02, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::I would suggest using either "Prime", "WFC" or "Exodus" (only one of them though!) until something clearer comes along. "EWP" just seems needlessly confusing. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:12, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::I tend to think (Prime) is the best suffix we'll get, since we normally use franchise and Prime seems like the most likely candidate to be the franchise name. Exodus and WFC are definitely not franchises, but Prime might be. Of course, one wonders what will happen if Hasbro decides to completely move away from the concept of franchises... --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:14, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::According to the TFormers.com BotCon report, Aaron Archer said Hasbro wasn't planning on doing TF:Prime toys. And, for that matter, we know there ''are'' WFC toys, so at the moment WFC actually looks more franchisey. But that having been said, I still vote for "(Prime)" across the board because that's almost guaranteed to be the most prominent, central, and dominant element of this continuity. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:43, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::Aaron Archer said he "wasn't there to talk about toys," but the fiction/show/cartoon. I think this statement was being misconstrued. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:44, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Ah, thanks for clarifying. That did seem like an odd decision on Hasbro's part. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:48, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::::Aaron's wording was poorly-chosen. He really did say something like "right now there isn't a toyline," and of course he could only have meant it as a figure of speech to cover what he was willing to talk about during that 20 minutes and not that there actually isn't a toyline. It's impossible that there wouldn't be a toyline. You don't make a CGI toy commercial without them. --Thy, not logged in.
:::::::::Or it could have meant that the details weren't ready for a public reveal or that the figures would simply be released as part of the unsubtitled "Transformers" line. Lots of ambiguity. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:15, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the toys just ended up in the general ''Transformers'' line, which would make TF:Prime about exactly as franchisey as WFC. Still, like I said above, even if there WEREN'T any toys I would still lean towards "(Prime)" for its likely real-world dominance. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:33, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

:::"Prime" will be good. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 13:54, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

::Has anybody tried to mock up a Prime (franchise) page that could explain how the Prime TV show, WFC videogame and Exodus novel are related and give a comparison/contrast to other franchises? I think I've got an idea what's going on, but I'd like to see a coherent write up from someone who has seen the actual materials. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:01, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
:::I don't know if the "Prime (franchise)" page would be the best place for that. That would be for the cartoon stuff and related toyline. But we need a continuity page, like [[Movie continuity]]. Based on the [[Hasbro Q&A/September 2010|September Q&A]] we could call it the "modern continuity". That's what Hasbro called it. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:19, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::Because it's "modern" as in HAPPENING NOW, not as if it was a proper noun! Calling it "Modern" would be astoundingly dumb. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:21, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:::::Are you calling Hasbro dumb? That's what they called it. For better or worse "modern" is sometimes used like that. "Modern architecture" doesn't mean the style of architecture right now. I have a "modern continuity" page ready. I almost pressed "save page" but I checked the recent changes and found this. We need a continuity page anyway. I think I will hit save before I go to bed. It can be moved. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:47, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::::Do you understand the difference between lower and upper case letters? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:54, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::::Tell you what, we'll resume this conversation when you learn what "context" means. And your "Modern (franchise)" page will be deleted. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:56, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Not "modern (franchise)". "Modern continuity", as in [[:Category:Continuities]]. I din't think it was a proper noun anymore than [[movie continuity]] is. You can delete it, I suppose. Or, if it is a good page, you could rename it whatever you want. Like "War for Cybertron/Exodus/Prime continuity". - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:07, 2 November 2010 (EDT)
::::::::I thought it was a good page. Probably did need to be moved to a better name. But then it was deleted. Um, oh well? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:58, 2 November 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::I saved it as a text file. I could reload it under a different name if anyone wants. Just let me know what name. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:14, 2 November 2010 (EDT)

==Timeline==
Transformers.com timeline: [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=841a4def-19b9-f369-104f-c8d8dec0c2ce]
It's basically the story from ''Exodus'' with Sentinel Prime exchanged for Zeta Prime, with screenshots from the game. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:10, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

== Sue Blu gone? ==

I saw news notes from Comicon saying something about Susan Blu no longer working on the show. Does anyone know if she's gone completely or just stopped working one one part of the show. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 07:31, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah I updated that awhile ago, forgot to mention it here. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:35, 6 August 2010 (EDT)

A [http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117944113/ review by Variety] (worry not; no spoilers) gives quite a few bits of information on credits, and it mentions Sue Blu as the voice director. So, what? Did the reviewer make a mistake or did she come back? I'd say we should just wait until the show airs, but I thought I might as well bring it up. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 23:33, 24 November 2010 (EST)

She's credited as voice director for the first two episodes. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 07:13, 29 November 2010 (EST)

She's infact credited for the first five episodes. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 02:37, 1 January 2011 (EST)

== David Hartman as both the supervising director and art director ==

taken from his DAblog: http://sideshowmonkey.deviantart.com/journal/33585161 not sure if it's "news," but it is more confirmed staff. - {{unsigned|128.208.61.72}} 01:56, 2 August 2010

== Move? ==

The Hub's press release render the title without a colon [http://hubworld.com/press-100806-talent.htm][http://hubworld.com/shows-detail.htm#panel-8], should we move all Prime-related articles or are we happy just writing it our way? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 13:01, 19 August 2010 (EDT)

== Air date ==
Isn't a bit premature to announce that it'll air on this year's Black Friday? I mean, true, the TV listing there says so, but they are subject to change. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 04:35, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
:Not to fear. I changed it from "will air" to "is scheduled to air". - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:53, 22 October 2010 (EDT)

== Wrong! ==

This page has incorrect information!! This takes place in the movie universe for 1. 2, It only has five episodes for the whole series as it is a MINI series. It has nothing even close to related to the War for Cybertron game. Sadly, I can't fix this because the page is LOCKED. :( [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] 05:16, 13 November 2010 (EST)
:No, ''you're'' the one who is incorrect. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 05:17, 13 November 2010 (EST)
::Jman, atleast wait until you see the show first before making these presumptions. While you wait, read the 'Exodus' book. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:55, 13 November 2010 (EST)
: You are exactly the reason this page is locked. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:51, 13 November 2010 (EST)
: Don't believe, go to this link ---> [http://www.hubworld.com/transformers/shows/prime/videos/sneak-peek] --[[User:Jman98|Jman98]] 14:44, 13 November 2010 (EST)
:: Yeah, we've been. Try again. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:05, 13 November 2010 (EST)
::: Okay, I just read the Exodus book, sorry for causing trouble. Now I know that WFC and PRIME are linked. --[[User:Jman98|Jman98]] 12:09, 14 November 2010 (EST)

== Protecting ==

Since Seibertron has posted details of the first two episodes, should we protect this page against anon editing to minimise spoilers? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:59, 22 November 2010 (EST)
:It appears to already be protected. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 21:12, 22 November 2010 (EST)
::A quick spate of protecting individual character articles will also not go amiss. I could really go for not having this blown for me before Friday. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:19, 22 November 2010 (EST)
:::I've protected the episode titles as well, because creating a new page means the text shows up in Recent Changes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:31, 22 November 2010 (EST)

==Episode 1 Credits==
Have fun.

[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds01.jpg 01] [http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds02.jpg 02]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds03.jpg 03]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds04.jpg 04]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds05.jpg 05]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds06.jpg 06]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds07.jpg 07]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds08.jpg 08]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds09.jpg 09]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds10.jpg 10]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds11.jpg 11]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds12.jpg 12]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds13.jpg 13]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds14.jpg 14]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds15.jpg 15]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds16.jpg 16]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds17.jpg 17]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds18.jpg 18]

And, yes, these were obtained on the up-and-up. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 18:35, 25 November 2010 (EST)
:Do you have the writer/director credit for the episode (would presumably have been displayed at the start) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:59, 25 November 2010 (EST)

==Promo Vehicle images==

Can these be dropped from articles and replaced with screenshots? [[User:Eire]] 2 Dec 12.35 (GMT)

== Help! Paradox! ==

Could someone please explain to me how War For Cybertron fits in the Prime Universe. I have a whole list of paradoxs:

*Megatron:In WFC, he was a tank, while in Prime, he was a jet. In WFC, Megatron new how to control dark energon, and used it often, but in Prime, he did not fuse it with his spark until he arrived on Earth.
*Starscream: First, his color scheme is different, in WFC, he is G1 like, but in Prime, he is movie like. Also, in The Darkness Rising Part 2, Starscream acted as if he hadn't came in contact with Dark Energon, but heard about it. However, the WFC Starscream knew exactly what Dark Energon does, and wants to learn how to weild it.
*Soundwave: Soundwave in WFC is like G1, with Laserbeak, Rumble, Frenzy, however in Prime, he is quiet, doesn' talk much,
(and even then, he just repeats recordings of what others have said) and only has 1 drone (Ratbat, i beleive his name is now.
*Ratchet:Rachet in WFC new what Drak Energon was, for it was alover Cybertron and Optimus pointed it out. In Prime, though, he says Dark Energon is so rare, its existence is doughted.
*Bumblebee:In WFC, he can talk and has a mouth, but in prime, he cannot talk. (Similar to his movie version.)
*Cliffjumper: In WFC, heis basicallya retool of Bumblebee, but in Prime, he is his own mold.
*Arcee: In WFC, she is like er G1 counterpart (and is a pink car), but the prime version is more like the movie version, and somewhat of a ninja. (And is a blue motercycle.)
*Dark Energon: In WFC, it was said it corrupts and destroys. But in Prime, it has the power to revive the dead. It is all over cybertron in WFC, and heck, even the Core of Cybertron is corrupted with it. But in Prime, it is apperently "so rare", how was it found on cybertron? Better yet in WFC, why was it being manufactured? (WARNING!!! SPOLIER ALERT!!! SPOLIERS UP AHEAD!!! STOP READING IF YOU DON'T LIKE SPOILERS!!!! WARNING!!!) and Prime, why is Megaton trying to ressurct ever dead cybertronian on Cybertron? Couldn't he have just done that in WFC?

Some clarification would be great. Also, I know the whole "Scanning alt mode" thing could change the way they look, but in the Prime comic,they still look the same in Cybertrnian form. Please help clarify some things.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 10:02, 3 December 2010 (EST)

:''Could someone please explain to me how War For Cybertron fits in the Prime Universe.'' It doesn't. They're part of the same continuity family, but not one singular continuous universe. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 10:39, 3 December 2010 (EST)
::I want someone to please explain to me how someone being a different altmode in the past is a paradox. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:42, 3 December 2010 (EST)
:::No need to get rude ItsWalky. I was just saying, what reason did he have for changing his form. You don't have to be rude about it. As for you KilMichaelMcC, thank you, I must have confused the two. Sorry.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 16:43, 3 December 2010 (EST)
::::We don't need a reason. Characters changing their altmode is not some strange new thing that's unique to Megatron (Prime). G1 Megs went from gun to cannon to nothing to tank, back to gun, sometimes a car... UT Megs went from tank to spaceship to dragster/jet triple changer to... dinosaur. And Movie Megs has been both a tank and a jet. And all this is beside the point that we have been handed down an official reason in WFC Megatron's tech spec bio. Read the notes at the bottom of Megatron (Prime)'s article. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:50, 4 December 2010 (EST)
:::::You forget that all those times he had a reason. G1 Megatron was changed due to Cobra Commander. UT Megatron changed because he was brought back to life a few time and movie Megs was ressurected using parts of other decepticons. And there is always the to sell toys reason. But I don't know If you read my comment but I tried to end this whole paradox conversation. Ok, I confused something big whoop. You don't have to act like a jerk saying "I want someone to tell me how having a different alt mode in the past is a paradox." Why don't you just ban me from this sight because I said that he had an new alt mode in the past. I was asking a question and you came in with your little ego trying to show off that you need to know that little statement. My god, I thought this site would be full of TF fans, not people trying to piss off other by deleting info they type because of one mistake instead of correcting it themselves, and other people like you trying to prove other users wrong. And why the heck can't we have pictures without a serious caption, we are preatty much the only wiki that does that so why do we? Because we rather get a laugh then information? By the pit.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:57, 6 December 2010 (EST)
::::::As an impartial observer Walky didn't say anything rude at all, he mearly pointed out a flaw in your premise in fairly neutral language. You seem to be flipping out over nothing here. If you don't like it here(or are bothered exessively by the humorous captions that are here to stay) you don't need to stay. But stay or go, acting like a child over literally nothing isn't a great way to make friends.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 12:15, 6 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::I am not trying to make friends here. I tried, but apparently I am someone who can't sign posts, tried to correct a statement about daleks and failed, and someone who steals information from sets and wikipedia. It is not the site I have problems with, it is the people.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:29, 7 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::As a person here who has been nice to you in the past, I think you are being overly sensitive here. You were given a reminder to sign posts, the Dalek thing was explained to you as being beyond the scope of this wiki and the "news" you posted from sets and wikipedia were removed because they were unconfirmed (thus against policy). Read the various help pages and follow the rules and you will be as welcome here as anyone. Continue your persecution complex, and people WILL get upset with you. And, again, Walky was simply pointing out your mistaken use of paradox. No conversation can occur if people aren't clear on terms. Your examples are not paradoxes, merely contradictions. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:10, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::Hate to be rude here, but a paradox does not just have to do with time. It can mean contradictions.[[Special:Contributions/166.109.0.45|166.109.0.45]] 11:28, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::Only if those contradictions are in the same thing at the same time. Two separate things contradicting each other is not a paradox. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:44, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::You know what, you are right. I did over react, and I assumed Walky was trying to be rude here. Me apologies. I am sorry.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:30, 8 December 2010 (EST)

==Animation studio question==
So... It's [[wikipedia:Polygon Pictures|Polygon Pictures]] that's animating, not Digitalscape? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 04:44, 24 February 2011 (EST)
:There's probably more than one animation team. Anyone want to check the credits for each episode? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 15:02, 24 February 2011 (EST)

::It's Polygon Pictures. Digitalscape is just a recruiting agent doing recruiting on behalf of Polygon. {{unsigned|219.109.211.26}}
:::Thanks for the tip. I've rewatched "Darkness Rising" and noticed it is Polygon. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 10:04, 7 March 2011 (EST)

== Refer to the Main Autobot Cast as Team Prime? ==

The main Autbot Cast has been refered to as Team Prime a few times in the series.[[User:DinoFreakUSA|DinoFreakUSA]] 01:45, 27 February 2011 (EST)

== Edit war brewing ==

Once again about a caption, this time regarding the cast promo image. So to [[User:Detour|Detour]] and [[User:TOM|TOM]], the caption will be dated in October, so I propose leaving it until then, perhaps to a new caption about how odd it was there appeared to be ''six'' main Autobots... [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:24, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
:There's a link to the toyline at the top of the page. I don't think the caption needs another one to explain it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:50, 16 March 2011 (EDT)

== Removing a note ==

Because this statement by Hasbro "Continuity. Present day, after "movie" type events. Autobots on earth,hiding." does not mean the same thing as this note by us "*Though part of the [[aligned continuity family]] with the ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|War for Cybertron]]'' fiction, the show's immediate Earth-set backstory is meant to be "[[live-action film series|post-movie]]". Hasbro is saying that the backstory is movie-ish, not that it is the movie. Which is what our note said. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:22, 24 March 2011 (EDT)

== Divide & Conquer ==

The episode 13 listing, "Divide & Conquer", is actually a episode of G1 airing on the Sunday after the "Predatory" episode airs. It also hasn't been given a description, even though the "Sick Mind" episode has. It's clearly the G1 episode, and not one of TFP's episodes. {{unsigned|72.23.116.251}}
:Have you got a source for that? I've been keeping my eyes on the show listings, because I've suspected that what you'd said is the case, but I haven't found a listings source which goes up to Sunday the 17th. If you can point to some listings showing the G1 Divide and Conquer on that day, I'd be grateful! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:55, 3 April 2011 (EDT)
::Not sure if it'll be proof enough, but MSN's listings are generally reliable (http://tv.msn.com/tv/series-episodes/transformers-prime/?sb=0&si=1&ipp=25). Divide and Conquer airing the day after Predatory first airs is a dead giveaway. It's still odd that it's part of the TFP episode guide, but it just wouldn't make sense to release two new episodes so close to each other like that.

Oddly enough, the Hub isn't playing the G1 episode that day either. I wonder where MSN got that listing from. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:34, 11 April 2011 (EDT)
: "Divide and Conquer" showed up recorded on my Tivo under the "Transformers Prime" directory. It was the G1 episode. As if we needed further proof. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:36, 11 April 2011 (EDT)

== Universal Cluster ==

I've been trying to think of a name for the [[Universal stream|universe cluster]] for this and [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]]. So far I've come up with Alignus, but that sounds retarded. Anyone have any ideas? [[[[User:Paddles|Paddles]] 13:32, 28 May 2011 (EDT)]]
:This is not the place for fan fiction. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:37, 28 May 2011 (EDT)
:Nevermind. Just forgot. [[[[User:Paddles|Paddles]] 13:39, 28 May 2011 (EDT)]]

== Dreadwing ==

OK- we know that Tony Todd is voicing Dreadwing. Do we know for sure whether or not Dreadwing is a Decepticon? I mean, I know it's likely, but should we assign him a faction before we know for sure? [[Special:Contributions/67.242.198.238|67.242.198.238]] 10:21, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

Hey can we assign Dreadwing to the main Decepticon cast now that he's... apart of the main Decepticon cast? Or are we going to continue to treat him like Wheeljack and keep him offsides until he cameo's in at least 65% of future episode runtime? [[Arcee-Cola]] 8:44, 27 March 2012 (EDT)
:Hey thanks for moving WheelJack and Dreadwing to the main cast! [[Arcee-Cola]] 6:07, 30 March 2012 (EDT)

== Prowl and barricade and a unknown char? ==

so many people are talking today about prowl and barricade are coming into Transformers Prime.
Picture's are released on this Website: http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-prime-discussion/412158-weve-wanted-new-tfp-bots-cons.html (TFW2005) is this true or not? and who whould be the unknown character? whould like to know more :D {{unsigned|Angelkiss112}}
:Go to a forum if you want to talk about this. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:10, 3 June 2011 (EDT)
==Laserbeak==
Laserbeak should be added to every episode with Sundwave in it, 'cuz he's Soundwave's chest.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 16:42, 11 June 2011 (EDT)
:I think he should only be listed if he detaches from Soundwave - it's how we treat the Breastforce animals in Victory and they have basically the same deal. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:13, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

==Season 2 Info==
[http://uk.tv.ign.com/articles/118/1183380p1.html Comic Con] has revealed some new information about season 2 of the show and beyond with the possibility of Dinobots as well as Combiners making their way onto the show. There is also a teaser showcasing a new villain with it being said that ''"He is ocming..."'' and it seems to be part o a prophecy as Prime is quoting the [[Covenant of Primus]]! [[User:Straxus|Straxus]] 07:04, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
:It would be so disappointing if he was just talking about Megatron. He IS prophesied in the Covenant, after all. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 07:11, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
::Since this is the Aligned continuity, a reference to Megatron could equally be [[The Fallen]], couldnt it? [[User:Straxus|Straxus]] 10:48, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
:::May I remind you this page is for discussing improvements to the article, not a general forum for chitchat. I can't access IGN articles due to a server 500 error, could someone else implement it? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 11:18, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
::::I got a screenshot of the spooky dude in question http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/Semysane/TFPrimePreviewAwakened.jpg He looks kinda like... Alpha Trion, actually.
:::::Alpha Trion does not have horns (they're not in the screenshot, but were seen a few nanokliks earlier). I'm thinking Unicron, as the TFPrime crew has said Unicron could appear. Either way, I think it's best to just let it be for now, until the episode airs. - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 19:50, 23 July 2011 (EDT)

== Episode 21 ==

I found this on IMDb.
Season 1, Episode 21: One Bots, Two Bots, Red Bots, Blue Bots
Original Air Date—30 July 2011
Sierra sneaked inside Bulkhead and found Jack in Autobot Headquarters.
Should it be added? {{unsigned|68.200.62.165|19:53, 30 July 2011 (EDT)}}
: Not until it's confirmed somewhere other than IMDB, which is not really known for its accuracy on upcoming stuff. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:57, 30 July 2011 (EDT)
:There wasn't a new episode on the 30th. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:22, 30 July 2011 (EDT)
:Additionally, given that this bit has shown up on multiple sites, all with the same spelling error and the odd past-tense synopsis, it can mostly be assumed it's fan-generated. --[[Special:Contributions/70.243.110.53|70.243.110.53]] 01:00, 6 August 2011 (EDT)

== "Unlike most Transformers shows, episodes do not have an episode title card. Episode titles are from The Hub website." ==

Don't forget on the info for [[wikipedia:DirecTV|DirecTV's]] schedulale! (sic?) --[[Special:Contributions/66.82.162.10|66.82.162.10]] 16:12, 31 July 2011 (EDT)
:They can be found in a lot of places. I don't think we need to list them all. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:45, 31 July 2011 (EDT)

== New Prime ep on Teletoon. ==

Not a clue what its name is, but Teletoon's airing a never-before-seen episode. They'll be re-airing it at 4:30AM. If you know any Canuckians who can record and encode... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:17, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
:Detour, did you just issue a call for TFWiki users to engage in piracy? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:44, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
::Sorry, bad choice of words. Canuckians who can record (because it's on late) and watch later to fill out the article. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:21, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
:::I expected that was the case, after all DVR's ''do'' encode while they record. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:46, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
:According to tvguide.ca, Teletoon is playing a new episode next week too. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:42, 7 August 2011 (EDT)

== Pictures Pictures and Pictures. ==
I noticed that a lot of the character profiles seem to have stopped showing screen caps around after the last 4 episodes. You guys want me to get screen caps of all the characters? or just leave it?

== Something of Note ==

Something I've noticed in the series is something fairly unusual: all of the Transformers with flight-capable alt. mode have, thus far, been shown to be incapable of flight in robot mode. Megatron and Starscream have both been shown to have to Transform ''before'' they become capable of flight, while Soundwave has yet to transform himself. This is fairly unusual in the Transformers franchise, is it not?--[[Special:Contributions/184.100.200.98|184.100.200.98]] 15:06, 14 October 2011 (EDT)
: Soundwave has transformed. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:14, 14 October 2011 (EDT)

Alright, my mistake. But in the mean-time, have any flight-capable alt. mode Transformers shown flight capabilities in their robot mode? Because if not I'm certain that's a first for the Transformers franchise.--[[Special:Contributions/184.100.200.98|184.100.200.98]] 15:30, 14 October 2011 (EDT)
: I think the movie already tackled that, for the most part. Blackout and Megatron never flew in robot modes, and Starscream has those jet boosters on his back that enabled him to stay aloft for a few seconds between jet transformations in the first movie. To my best recollection. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:42, 14 October 2011 (EDT)

Megatron flew in ROTF. Blackout was just plain destroyed.--[[Special:Contributions/184.100.200.98|184.100.200.98]] 15:48, 14 October 2011 (EDT)

== Least Transformation ==

So there's a note at the bottom of this page which says that this show features the least amout of transformation of any show. This seems to me to be an opinion and not the type of thing we should note on this Wiki and I'm not even sure it's accuarate. What do you guys think.
[[User:Flydie|Flydie]] 10:44, 21 November 2011 (EST)
:: How is it an opinion? We've had several episodes where nobody transforms. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 10:54, 21 November 2011 (EST)
:::It's fact that can be verified by counting the number of transformations in the various series. However, unless we have those numbers, the note should be removed. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:59, 21 November 2011 (EST)
: Well, if I remember correctly, ''Sick Mind'', ''Shadowzone'', ''Scrapheap'', ''One Shall Rise 3'', and ''Con Job'' don't have anyone transforming. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 11:05, 21 November 2011 (EST)
Actually that's the problem most of those are actually wrong while Sick Mind doesn't feature any transformations and i havent seen One Shall Rise part 3 yet but i can definatley discern from memory that all the others on that list featured at least one transformation. Furthermore it seems like an assumtion someone made after having watched a couple of episodes and we shouldn't have assumptions on this wiki. [[User:Flydie|Flydie]] 12:05, 22 November 2011 (EST)

== Nathan Fillion ==

Do we have a source on his involvement or the other two for that matter. [[User:Flydie|Flydie]] 16:11, 17 December 2011 (EST)
:Yes. Yes, we do! Though it would been nice if TFW2005 had said in their article who at Auto Assembly revealed the news (Kaye's confirmed it over Twitter, so we know it's true anyways, but I wanted to link to the original news), and none of the sources I found for the NYCC announcement of Fillion seemed like his casting was firm. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:59, 17 December 2011 (EST)
::http://tformers.com/article.php?sid=16642 I am putting this here for something to point to if this comes up again. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 20:43, 9 February 2012 (EST)

== HUB- Season 2 ==
The HUB website says the second series will premere on Febuary 18th @ 8:30 p.m. Probably shouldn't post this as I can`t figure out if it's true or not. [[Special:Contributions/208.111.201.121|208.111.201.121]] 21:26, 5 January 2012 (EST)
:It's on the Hub's site, so unless someone's made a mistake, we should go with it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:04, 5 January 2012 (EST)

== Voice of Bumblebee ==

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elijah_Wood#Television

It says here that Elijah Wood will be voicing Bumblebee. {{unsigned|69.19.14.39|20:19, 7 January 2012 (EST)}}
:Whoever added the information to Wikipedia did not even cite a source. It is very probably false. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:27, 7 January 2012 (EST)

== Dead Character Column? ==

Hey guys, freak'n shot in the dark here, but can we make a 'Dead Character' tab in the cast columns? I'm only suggesting this because more characters seem to get obliterated off the main and supporting cast list every episode, lately. And if ''somehow'' said 'offed' character comes back to life, then we can add them back to the main list of 'living' characters.

Characters that got their bucket's kicked:

Cliffjumper, Makeshift, Tailgate, Skyquake, Seaspray, Breakdown ;(

Just something to consider. [[Arcee-Cola]] 6:15, 30 March 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers: Prime (cartoon)

2012-04-01T01:08:20Z

Arcee-Cola: /* Dreadwing */

Talk:Transformers: Prime (cartoon)

2012-03-28T03:52:31Z

Arcee-Cola: /* Dreadwing */

== Disambig ==

Should this page be disambiguated from the [[Transformers 2010 (franchise)]] page? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:28, 9 December 2009 (EST)
: I think so, yes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:21, 10 December 2009 (EST)

== Character list ==
Unicron was voiced by John Noble per the character listing on 1 Shall Rise, pt 1.

Forgive me for being overly cautious, but since it's been stated that Michael Bell has auditioned for the roles of Ratchet and Fowler, can we begin a preliminary character list? - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:38, 14 December 2009 (EST)

:I'm okay with that as long as we are foolishly optimistic enough to leave Optimus Prime and Megatron OFF the character list until confirmed. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:46, 14 December 2009 (EST)
::HAHAHAHAHA!!!!--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:52, 14 December 2009 (EST)

:::EVEN THOUGH I KNOW IT WILL BE FOR NAUGHT, THE VERY CONCEPT FILLS MY HEART WITH GLADNESS. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:03, 14 December 2009 (EST)

::::Maybe, for the same reason, the character list should just be "characters" and not presume to put them in "Autobots", "Decepticons", and "Humans". Who knows? There could be Maximals! - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:10, 14 December 2009 (EST)
:::::Or Unicron's Heralds, for that matter! --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:46, 14 December 2009 (EST)
::::::Malignus, Mutants, Throttlebots, Spacebots, Spacecons... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:26, 14 December 2009 (EST)
::::::Unicron, would I love a set of stories focussing mainly on the Chaos Bringer's faction. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:49, 14 December 2009 (EST)
I'm tempted to say that we shouldn't include Bumblebee on the list just yet because we don't know 100% that the yellow robot on the Hub logo is Bumblebee, but I seriously doubt that anybody would toy around (no pun intended) with the general looks of a popular Transformers character (though that would be an awesome twist). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 15:29, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

==Titling==
Shouldn't it be "Prime (cartoon)", considering our stupid rule of removing "Transformers" from article titles? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:01, 6 February 2010 (EST)

:[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Nope]]!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:04, 6 February 2010 (EST)

::I thought the reason we went with "Transformers Animated" is because there was no colon, and therefore "Animated" wasn't a subtitle? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:08, 6 February 2010 (EST)

:::I honestly don't recall there being a colon in just about any TF title. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:09, 6 February 2010 (EST)

::::We make exceptions for phrases. This isn't one. I mean, we even had a big ado over moving the ROTF article to be without the "Transformers". [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:13, 6 February 2010 (EST)

:::::"Transformers Animated" is much a exception, so it go with the full name. If the title is "Transformers: Prime" when it start airing, I will vote for the "Prime (cartoon)". --''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]''04:09, 6 February 2010 (EST)

== Hub picture ==

Now that we got the logo for 'Transformers: Prime', should we get rid of the Hub logo? I say we do, but I wouldn't object to holding on to it until we get an image solely of Bumblebee. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 07:53, 3 May 2010 (EDT)
:There's room, so we might as well keep it for now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 08:00, 3 May 2010 (EDT)

== Can we get this article locked if it hasn't been already? ==

I expect a number of (mostly anonymous) editors may attempt to follow a relatively new TFW2005.com staffer's lead and paste in an unverified, uncited cast list from Wikipedia into this article. Thanks. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:12, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
:I personally disagree with locking this article. The show should be debuting within the next six months or so, therefore I imagine Hasbro will give us some tidbits of information (not to mention actors' websites, like [[Jeffrey Combs]]). However, if this article does get locked until a later date, I won't make a big deal out of it. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 23:36, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
::It's only blocked against editing by unregistered users. If an unregistered user has a legit piece of info to be added, they can always use the talk page to bring it up. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:45, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
:::Or register and then add it directly. (They should still provide citations/links for proof if need be, of course.)--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 05:12, 8 May 2010 (EDT)

== Continuity ==

Might just be me, but shouldn't we place this under "War For Cybertron" continuity or something? Apparantly, it follows the game (or at least the prequel comic, according to the page itself.

-ThiAthEhn
:I'm still not clear on where [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] got that from, since it's uncited. We really need to wait and see before we make a decision. Plus if WFC and Prime are in the same continuity, an argument could be made to place WFC in the Prime continuity rather than the other way around.--[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:14, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
::Ask Walky. [[Talk:Dion#Dion is Jazz?|He assured me that the link between WfC and ''Prime'' has been confirmed]], but just didn't mention where or when. That's why I added the {{tl|fact}} tag, so that he or someone else could cite it. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 05:45, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
:::Aha! I see! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 06:19, 12 May 2010 (EDT)

So isn't the "link" with WfC just speculation from someone working at TFWiki? There's no citation, and should not be under "CONFIRMED news." --[[Special:Contributions/75.28.55.135|75.28.55.135]] 21:37, 9 June 2010 (EDT)

:I believe Walky said it came directly from the Hasbro reps at toy fair. If so that's confirmed enough for me. And if it turns out to be wrong... eh, we'll know for sure in two weeks at Botcon anyway. That's soon enough to just wait and deal with it then. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:31, 9 June 2010 (EDT)

== Chartacter list ==

If It's not Bumblebee, who '''''CAN''''' it be?[[User:TOM|TOM]] 11:08, 16 May 2010 (EDT)
:Yellow Cliffjumper, Bumper, Hot Shot, Armada Sparkplug... it's ''likely'' that it's Bumblebee, but there are other people that look like him. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:21, 16 May 2010 (EDT)
::Or a brand new character. I'm very certain that it is Bumblebee, but the producers may blow our minds and say, "Hey, you know your buddy, Bumblebee? Well, he's actually (place bad guy name here) in disguise. Remember Longarm Prime in ''Transformers Animated''? Btw, TOM, to add a comment to a topic, just hit the edit button on top of the page and place your comment below the last comment. You can use colons in front of your statement to space it from the margin. You're learning the ropes and I'm glad you're making an honest effort to benefit this wiki, so don't give up. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 13:28, 16 May 2010 (EDT)

==New continuity family!==
Hey, remember when I said WFC/Prime is probably Primax? Well, I lied! After BotCon's flurry of information I think it's going to have to be its own thing. Not only because, well, it deserves to be, but because it will make our lives a lot easier and our pages a lot clearer. Back when the movie came out, we also considered making THAT G1, but declined when we realized the sheer amount of material and focus would make it impractical. The same here. Also, comments from Aaron Archer put the new continuity in perspective.

He ALSO doesn't like calling it "Prime," since that's not what he wants to call it, but it's all we got at the moment. He doesn't have a name for this new continuity (family), but is trying to think of one eventually. So, uh, in the meantime, I think we're stuck with calling it "Prime." Dem's the breaks until we get a time machine and can ask 2012 Aaron Archer or whatever. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:01, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah, EVERYTHING was already pointing in the way of a new continuity family, so I'm glad the wiki now has the green light to separate this stuff. Not that that will spare me from redoing certain location articles, but it's at least a lot easier. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:58, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:P.S., do Demolishor (WFC) and Slipstream (WFC) have to be moved now? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:59, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::Optimus Prime (Prime)? Reminds me of [[Cyclonus (Armada)]]. Anyway, looks like we're going to have to fix a lot of links and move a fair bit of information related to the War for Cybertron pages. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 12:12, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::I concur completely. This seems very much like a new continuity, albeit with very strong G1 and Movie influences, though the Unicron Trilogy and Animated get some characters and ideas dropped in as well.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:22, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::As I said on [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]] ":I'm beginning to wonder if the "G1 continuity family" is heading towards collapse under its own weight. I'm not sure there will ever be another franchise that isn't "terribly G1y" in the future. The discussion a few years back about whether Movie and Animated belonged in their own continuity families, the synthetic nature of the Hall of Fame bios, the integration of Mini-Cons into G1 universes, all point towards a blending effect in TF universes." --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:42, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

While Archer may not like calling it "Prime," that ''would'' seem to be the parenthetical if we follow the same protocol we did for the Unicron Trilogy. Franchise of origin and all. Alternately, we could tag all of them (WFC) if they first appeared in that game, but that doesn't seem quite right.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:46, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:Then we'd wind up with another Shattered Glass/Timelines situation where it really made no sense why some were tagged one way and some another (at least not to the more casual fan). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:50, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::Exodus had the same street-date as WFC, didn't it? I know we're having this discussion simultaneously on Allspark, which... probably isn't a good idea.... but I suggested "EWP" as a suffix until something better comes along. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:02, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::I would suggest using either "Prime", "WFC" or "Exodus" (only one of them though!) until something clearer comes along. "EWP" just seems needlessly confusing. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:12, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::I tend to think (Prime) is the best suffix we'll get, since we normally use franchise and Prime seems like the most likely candidate to be the franchise name. Exodus and WFC are definitely not franchises, but Prime might be. Of course, one wonders what will happen if Hasbro decides to completely move away from the concept of franchises... --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:14, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::According to the TFormers.com BotCon report, Aaron Archer said Hasbro wasn't planning on doing TF:Prime toys. And, for that matter, we know there ''are'' WFC toys, so at the moment WFC actually looks more franchisey. But that having been said, I still vote for "(Prime)" across the board because that's almost guaranteed to be the most prominent, central, and dominant element of this continuity. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:43, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::Aaron Archer said he "wasn't there to talk about toys," but the fiction/show/cartoon. I think this statement was being misconstrued. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:44, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Ah, thanks for clarifying. That did seem like an odd decision on Hasbro's part. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:48, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::::Aaron's wording was poorly-chosen. He really did say something like "right now there isn't a toyline," and of course he could only have meant it as a figure of speech to cover what he was willing to talk about during that 20 minutes and not that there actually isn't a toyline. It's impossible that there wouldn't be a toyline. You don't make a CGI toy commercial without them. --Thy, not logged in.
:::::::::Or it could have meant that the details weren't ready for a public reveal or that the figures would simply be released as part of the unsubtitled "Transformers" line. Lots of ambiguity. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:15, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the toys just ended up in the general ''Transformers'' line, which would make TF:Prime about exactly as franchisey as WFC. Still, like I said above, even if there WEREN'T any toys I would still lean towards "(Prime)" for its likely real-world dominance. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:33, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

:::"Prime" will be good. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 13:54, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

::Has anybody tried to mock up a Prime (franchise) page that could explain how the Prime TV show, WFC videogame and Exodus novel are related and give a comparison/contrast to other franchises? I think I've got an idea what's going on, but I'd like to see a coherent write up from someone who has seen the actual materials. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:01, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
:::I don't know if the "Prime (franchise)" page would be the best place for that. That would be for the cartoon stuff and related toyline. But we need a continuity page, like [[Movie continuity]]. Based on the [[Hasbro Q&A/September 2010|September Q&A]] we could call it the "modern continuity". That's what Hasbro called it. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:19, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::Because it's "modern" as in HAPPENING NOW, not as if it was a proper noun! Calling it "Modern" would be astoundingly dumb. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:21, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:::::Are you calling Hasbro dumb? That's what they called it. For better or worse "modern" is sometimes used like that. "Modern architecture" doesn't mean the style of architecture right now. I have a "modern continuity" page ready. I almost pressed "save page" but I checked the recent changes and found this. We need a continuity page anyway. I think I will hit save before I go to bed. It can be moved. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:47, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::::Do you understand the difference between lower and upper case letters? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:54, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::::Tell you what, we'll resume this conversation when you learn what "context" means. And your "Modern (franchise)" page will be deleted. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:56, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Not "modern (franchise)". "Modern continuity", as in [[:Category:Continuities]]. I din't think it was a proper noun anymore than [[movie continuity]] is. You can delete it, I suppose. Or, if it is a good page, you could rename it whatever you want. Like "War for Cybertron/Exodus/Prime continuity". - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:07, 2 November 2010 (EDT)
::::::::I thought it was a good page. Probably did need to be moved to a better name. But then it was deleted. Um, oh well? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:58, 2 November 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::I saved it as a text file. I could reload it under a different name if anyone wants. Just let me know what name. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:14, 2 November 2010 (EDT)

==Timeline==
Transformers.com timeline: [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=841a4def-19b9-f369-104f-c8d8dec0c2ce]
It's basically the story from ''Exodus'' with Sentinel Prime exchanged for Zeta Prime, with screenshots from the game. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:10, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

== Sue Blu gone? ==

I saw news notes from Comicon saying something about Susan Blu no longer working on the show. Does anyone know if she's gone completely or just stopped working one one part of the show. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 07:31, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah I updated that awhile ago, forgot to mention it here. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:35, 6 August 2010 (EDT)

A [http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117944113/ review by Variety] (worry not; no spoilers) gives quite a few bits of information on credits, and it mentions Sue Blu as the voice director. So, what? Did the reviewer make a mistake or did she come back? I'd say we should just wait until the show airs, but I thought I might as well bring it up. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 23:33, 24 November 2010 (EST)

She's credited as voice director for the first two episodes. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 07:13, 29 November 2010 (EST)

She's infact credited for the first five episodes. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 02:37, 1 January 2011 (EST)

== David Hartman as both the supervising director and art director ==

taken from his DAblog: http://sideshowmonkey.deviantart.com/journal/33585161 not sure if it's "news," but it is more confirmed staff. - {{unsigned|128.208.61.72}} 01:56, 2 August 2010

== Move? ==

The Hub's press release render the title without a colon [http://hubworld.com/press-100806-talent.htm][http://hubworld.com/shows-detail.htm#panel-8], should we move all Prime-related articles or are we happy just writing it our way? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 13:01, 19 August 2010 (EDT)

== Air date ==
Isn't a bit premature to announce that it'll air on this year's Black Friday? I mean, true, the TV listing there says so, but they are subject to change. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 04:35, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
:Not to fear. I changed it from "will air" to "is scheduled to air". - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:53, 22 October 2010 (EDT)

== Wrong! ==

This page has incorrect information!! This takes place in the movie universe for 1. 2, It only has five episodes for the whole series as it is a MINI series. It has nothing even close to related to the War for Cybertron game. Sadly, I can't fix this because the page is LOCKED. :( [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] 05:16, 13 November 2010 (EST)
:No, ''you're'' the one who is incorrect. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 05:17, 13 November 2010 (EST)
::Jman, atleast wait until you see the show first before making these presumptions. While you wait, read the 'Exodus' book. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:55, 13 November 2010 (EST)
: You are exactly the reason this page is locked. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:51, 13 November 2010 (EST)
: Don't believe, go to this link ---> [http://www.hubworld.com/transformers/shows/prime/videos/sneak-peek] --[[User:Jman98|Jman98]] 14:44, 13 November 2010 (EST)
:: Yeah, we've been. Try again. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:05, 13 November 2010 (EST)
::: Okay, I just read the Exodus book, sorry for causing trouble. Now I know that WFC and PRIME are linked. --[[User:Jman98|Jman98]] 12:09, 14 November 2010 (EST)

== Protecting ==

Since Seibertron has posted details of the first two episodes, should we protect this page against anon editing to minimise spoilers? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:59, 22 November 2010 (EST)
:It appears to already be protected. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 21:12, 22 November 2010 (EST)
::A quick spate of protecting individual character articles will also not go amiss. I could really go for not having this blown for me before Friday. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:19, 22 November 2010 (EST)
:::I've protected the episode titles as well, because creating a new page means the text shows up in Recent Changes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:31, 22 November 2010 (EST)

==Episode 1 Credits==
Have fun.

[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds01.jpg 01] [http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds02.jpg 02]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds03.jpg 03]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds04.jpg 04]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds05.jpg 05]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds06.jpg 06]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds07.jpg 07]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds08.jpg 08]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds09.jpg 09]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds10.jpg 10]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds11.jpg 11]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds12.jpg 12]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds13.jpg 13]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds14.jpg 14]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds15.jpg 15]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds16.jpg 16]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds17.jpg 17]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds18.jpg 18]

And, yes, these were obtained on the up-and-up. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 18:35, 25 November 2010 (EST)
:Do you have the writer/director credit for the episode (would presumably have been displayed at the start) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:59, 25 November 2010 (EST)

==Promo Vehicle images==

Can these be dropped from articles and replaced with screenshots? [[User:Eire]] 2 Dec 12.35 (GMT)

== Help! Paradox! ==

Could someone please explain to me how War For Cybertron fits in the Prime Universe. I have a whole list of paradoxs:

*Megatron:In WFC, he was a tank, while in Prime, he was a jet. In WFC, Megatron new how to control dark energon, and used it often, but in Prime, he did not fuse it with his spark until he arrived on Earth.
*Starscream: First, his color scheme is different, in WFC, he is G1 like, but in Prime, he is movie like. Also, in The Darkness Rising Part 2, Starscream acted as if he hadn't came in contact with Dark Energon, but heard about it. However, the WFC Starscream knew exactly what Dark Energon does, and wants to learn how to weild it.
*Soundwave: Soundwave in WFC is like G1, with Laserbeak, Rumble, Frenzy, however in Prime, he is quiet, doesn' talk much,
(and even then, he just repeats recordings of what others have said) and only has 1 drone (Ratbat, i beleive his name is now.
*Ratchet:Rachet in WFC new what Drak Energon was, for it was alover Cybertron and Optimus pointed it out. In Prime, though, he says Dark Energon is so rare, its existence is doughted.
*Bumblebee:In WFC, he can talk and has a mouth, but in prime, he cannot talk. (Similar to his movie version.)
*Cliffjumper: In WFC, heis basicallya retool of Bumblebee, but in Prime, he is his own mold.
*Arcee: In WFC, she is like er G1 counterpart (and is a pink car), but the prime version is more like the movie version, and somewhat of a ninja. (And is a blue motercycle.)
*Dark Energon: In WFC, it was said it corrupts and destroys. But in Prime, it has the power to revive the dead. It is all over cybertron in WFC, and heck, even the Core of Cybertron is corrupted with it. But in Prime, it is apperently "so rare", how was it found on cybertron? Better yet in WFC, why was it being manufactured? (WARNING!!! SPOLIER ALERT!!! SPOLIERS UP AHEAD!!! STOP READING IF YOU DON'T LIKE SPOILERS!!!! WARNING!!!) and Prime, why is Megaton trying to ressurct ever dead cybertronian on Cybertron? Couldn't he have just done that in WFC?

Some clarification would be great. Also, I know the whole "Scanning alt mode" thing could change the way they look, but in the Prime comic,they still look the same in Cybertrnian form. Please help clarify some things.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 10:02, 3 December 2010 (EST)

:''Could someone please explain to me how War For Cybertron fits in the Prime Universe.'' It doesn't. They're part of the same continuity family, but not one singular continuous universe. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 10:39, 3 December 2010 (EST)
::I want someone to please explain to me how someone being a different altmode in the past is a paradox. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:42, 3 December 2010 (EST)
:::No need to get rude ItsWalky. I was just saying, what reason did he have for changing his form. You don't have to be rude about it. As for you KilMichaelMcC, thank you, I must have confused the two. Sorry.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 16:43, 3 December 2010 (EST)
::::We don't need a reason. Characters changing their altmode is not some strange new thing that's unique to Megatron (Prime). G1 Megs went from gun to cannon to nothing to tank, back to gun, sometimes a car... UT Megs went from tank to spaceship to dragster/jet triple changer to... dinosaur. And Movie Megs has been both a tank and a jet. And all this is beside the point that we have been handed down an official reason in WFC Megatron's tech spec bio. Read the notes at the bottom of Megatron (Prime)'s article. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:50, 4 December 2010 (EST)
:::::You forget that all those times he had a reason. G1 Megatron was changed due to Cobra Commander. UT Megatron changed because he was brought back to life a few time and movie Megs was ressurected using parts of other decepticons. And there is always the to sell toys reason. But I don't know If you read my comment but I tried to end this whole paradox conversation. Ok, I confused something big whoop. You don't have to act like a jerk saying "I want someone to tell me how having a different alt mode in the past is a paradox." Why don't you just ban me from this sight because I said that he had an new alt mode in the past. I was asking a question and you came in with your little ego trying to show off that you need to know that little statement. My god, I thought this site would be full of TF fans, not people trying to piss off other by deleting info they type because of one mistake instead of correcting it themselves, and other people like you trying to prove other users wrong. And why the heck can't we have pictures without a serious caption, we are preatty much the only wiki that does that so why do we? Because we rather get a laugh then information? By the pit.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:57, 6 December 2010 (EST)
::::::As an impartial observer Walky didn't say anything rude at all, he mearly pointed out a flaw in your premise in fairly neutral language. You seem to be flipping out over nothing here. If you don't like it here(or are bothered exessively by the humorous captions that are here to stay) you don't need to stay. But stay or go, acting like a child over literally nothing isn't a great way to make friends.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 12:15, 6 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::I am not trying to make friends here. I tried, but apparently I am someone who can't sign posts, tried to correct a statement about daleks and failed, and someone who steals information from sets and wikipedia. It is not the site I have problems with, it is the people.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:29, 7 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::As a person here who has been nice to you in the past, I think you are being overly sensitive here. You were given a reminder to sign posts, the Dalek thing was explained to you as being beyond the scope of this wiki and the "news" you posted from sets and wikipedia were removed because they were unconfirmed (thus against policy). Read the various help pages and follow the rules and you will be as welcome here as anyone. Continue your persecution complex, and people WILL get upset with you. And, again, Walky was simply pointing out your mistaken use of paradox. No conversation can occur if people aren't clear on terms. Your examples are not paradoxes, merely contradictions. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:10, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::Hate to be rude here, but a paradox does not just have to do with time. It can mean contradictions.[[Special:Contributions/166.109.0.45|166.109.0.45]] 11:28, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::Only if those contradictions are in the same thing at the same time. Two separate things contradicting each other is not a paradox. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:44, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::You know what, you are right. I did over react, and I assumed Walky was trying to be rude here. Me apologies. I am sorry.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:30, 8 December 2010 (EST)

==Animation studio question==
So... It's [[wikipedia:Polygon Pictures|Polygon Pictures]] that's animating, not Digitalscape? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 04:44, 24 February 2011 (EST)
:There's probably more than one animation team. Anyone want to check the credits for each episode? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 15:02, 24 February 2011 (EST)

::It's Polygon Pictures. Digitalscape is just a recruiting agent doing recruiting on behalf of Polygon. {{unsigned|219.109.211.26}}
:::Thanks for the tip. I've rewatched "Darkness Rising" and noticed it is Polygon. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 10:04, 7 March 2011 (EST)

== Refer to the Main Autobot Cast as Team Prime? ==

The main Autbot Cast has been refered to as Team Prime a few times in the series.[[User:DinoFreakUSA|DinoFreakUSA]] 01:45, 27 February 2011 (EST)

== Edit war brewing ==

Once again about a caption, this time regarding the cast promo image. So to [[User:Detour|Detour]] and [[User:TOM|TOM]], the caption will be dated in October, so I propose leaving it until then, perhaps to a new caption about how odd it was there appeared to be ''six'' main Autobots... [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:24, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
:There's a link to the toyline at the top of the page. I don't think the caption needs another one to explain it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:50, 16 March 2011 (EDT)

== Removing a note ==

Because this statement by Hasbro "Continuity. Present day, after "movie" type events. Autobots on earth,hiding." does not mean the same thing as this note by us "*Though part of the [[aligned continuity family]] with the ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|War for Cybertron]]'' fiction, the show's immediate Earth-set backstory is meant to be "[[live-action film series|post-movie]]". Hasbro is saying that the backstory is movie-ish, not that it is the movie. Which is what our note said. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:22, 24 March 2011 (EDT)

== Divide & Conquer ==

The episode 13 listing, "Divide & Conquer", is actually a episode of G1 airing on the Sunday after the "Predatory" episode airs. It also hasn't been given a description, even though the "Sick Mind" episode has. It's clearly the G1 episode, and not one of TFP's episodes. {{unsigned|72.23.116.251}}
:Have you got a source for that? I've been keeping my eyes on the show listings, because I've suspected that what you'd said is the case, but I haven't found a listings source which goes up to Sunday the 17th. If you can point to some listings showing the G1 Divide and Conquer on that day, I'd be grateful! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:55, 3 April 2011 (EDT)
::Not sure if it'll be proof enough, but MSN's listings are generally reliable (http://tv.msn.com/tv/series-episodes/transformers-prime/?sb=0&si=1&ipp=25). Divide and Conquer airing the day after Predatory first airs is a dead giveaway. It's still odd that it's part of the TFP episode guide, but it just wouldn't make sense to release two new episodes so close to each other like that.

Oddly enough, the Hub isn't playing the G1 episode that day either. I wonder where MSN got that listing from. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:34, 11 April 2011 (EDT)
: "Divide and Conquer" showed up recorded on my Tivo under the "Transformers Prime" directory. It was the G1 episode. As if we needed further proof. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:36, 11 April 2011 (EDT)

== Universal Cluster ==

I've been trying to think of a name for the [[Universal stream|universe cluster]] for this and [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]]. So far I've come up with Alignus, but that sounds retarded. Anyone have any ideas? [[[[User:Paddles|Paddles]] 13:32, 28 May 2011 (EDT)]]
:This is not the place for fan fiction. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:37, 28 May 2011 (EDT)
:Nevermind. Just forgot. [[[[User:Paddles|Paddles]] 13:39, 28 May 2011 (EDT)]]

== Dreadwing ==

OK- we know that Tony Todd is voicing Dreadwing. Do we know for sure whether or not Dreadwing is a Decepticon? I mean, I know it's likely, but should we assign him a faction before we know for sure? [[Special:Contributions/67.242.198.238|67.242.198.238]] 10:21, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

Hey can we assign Dreadwing to the main Decepticon cast now that he's... apart of the main Decepticon cast? Or are we going to continue to treat him like Wheeljack and keep him offsides until he cameo's in at least 65% of future episode runtime? [[Arcee-Cola]] 8:44, 27 March 2012 (EDT)

== Prowl and barricade and a unknown char? ==

so many people are talking today about prowl and barricade are coming into Transformers Prime.
Picture's are released on this Website: http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-prime-discussion/412158-weve-wanted-new-tfp-bots-cons.html (TFW2005) is this true or not? and who whould be the unknown character? whould like to know more :D {{unsigned|Angelkiss112}}
:Go to a forum if you want to talk about this. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:10, 3 June 2011 (EDT)
==Laserbeak==
Laserbeak should be added to every episode with Sundwave in it, 'cuz he's Soundwave's chest.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 16:42, 11 June 2011 (EDT)
:I think he should only be listed if he detaches from Soundwave - it's how we treat the Breastforce animals in Victory and they have basically the same deal. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:13, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

==Season 2 Info==
[http://uk.tv.ign.com/articles/118/1183380p1.html Comic Con] has revealed some new information about season 2 of the show and beyond with the possibility of Dinobots as well as Combiners making their way onto the show. There is also a teaser showcasing a new villain with it being said that ''"He is ocming..."'' and it seems to be part o a prophecy as Prime is quoting the [[Covenant of Primus]]! [[User:Straxus|Straxus]] 07:04, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
:It would be so disappointing if he was just talking about Megatron. He IS prophesied in the Covenant, after all. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 07:11, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
::Since this is the Aligned continuity, a reference to Megatron could equally be [[The Fallen]], couldnt it? [[User:Straxus|Straxus]] 10:48, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
:::May I remind you this page is for discussing improvements to the article, not a general forum for chitchat. I can't access IGN articles due to a server 500 error, could someone else implement it? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 11:18, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
::::I got a screenshot of the spooky dude in question http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/Semysane/TFPrimePreviewAwakened.jpg He looks kinda like... Alpha Trion, actually.
:::::Alpha Trion does not have horns (they're not in the screenshot, but were seen a few nanokliks earlier). I'm thinking Unicron, as the TFPrime crew has said Unicron could appear. Either way, I think it's best to just let it be for now, until the episode airs. - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 19:50, 23 July 2011 (EDT)

== Episode 21 ==

I found this on IMDb.
Season 1, Episode 21: One Bots, Two Bots, Red Bots, Blue Bots
Original Air Date—30 July 2011
Sierra sneaked inside Bulkhead and found Jack in Autobot Headquarters.
Should it be added? {{unsigned|68.200.62.165|19:53, 30 July 2011 (EDT)}}
: Not until it's confirmed somewhere other than IMDB, which is not really known for its accuracy on upcoming stuff. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:57, 30 July 2011 (EDT)
:There wasn't a new episode on the 30th. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:22, 30 July 2011 (EDT)
:Additionally, given that this bit has shown up on multiple sites, all with the same spelling error and the odd past-tense synopsis, it can mostly be assumed it's fan-generated. --[[Special:Contributions/70.243.110.53|70.243.110.53]] 01:00, 6 August 2011 (EDT)

== "Unlike most Transformers shows, episodes do not have an episode title card. Episode titles are from The Hub website." ==

Don't forget on the info for [[wikipedia:DirecTV|DirecTV's]] schedulale! (sic?) --[[Special:Contributions/66.82.162.10|66.82.162.10]] 16:12, 31 July 2011 (EDT)
:They can be found in a lot of places. I don't think we need to list them all. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:45, 31 July 2011 (EDT)

== New Prime ep on Teletoon. ==

Not a clue what its name is, but Teletoon's airing a never-before-seen episode. They'll be re-airing it at 4:30AM. If you know any Canuckians who can record and encode... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:17, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
:Detour, did you just issue a call for TFWiki users to engage in piracy? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:44, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
::Sorry, bad choice of words. Canuckians who can record (because it's on late) and watch later to fill out the article. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:21, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
:::I expected that was the case, after all DVR's ''do'' encode while they record. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:46, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
:According to tvguide.ca, Teletoon is playing a new episode next week too. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:42, 7 August 2011 (EDT)

== Pictures Pictures and Pictures. ==
I noticed that a lot of the character profiles seem to have stopped showing screen caps around after the last 4 episodes. You guys want me to get screen caps of all the characters? or just leave it?

== Something of Note ==

Something I've noticed in the series is something fairly unusual: all of the Transformers with flight-capable alt. mode have, thus far, been shown to be incapable of flight in robot mode. Megatron and Starscream have both been shown to have to Transform ''before'' they become capable of flight, while Soundwave has yet to transform himself. This is fairly unusual in the Transformers franchise, is it not?--[[Special:Contributions/184.100.200.98|184.100.200.98]] 15:06, 14 October 2011 (EDT)
: Soundwave has transformed. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:14, 14 October 2011 (EDT)

Alright, my mistake. But in the mean-time, have any flight-capable alt. mode Transformers shown flight capabilities in their robot mode? Because if not I'm certain that's a first for the Transformers franchise.--[[Special:Contributions/184.100.200.98|184.100.200.98]] 15:30, 14 October 2011 (EDT)
: I think the movie already tackled that, for the most part. Blackout and Megatron never flew in robot modes, and Starscream has those jet boosters on his back that enabled him to stay aloft for a few seconds between jet transformations in the first movie. To my best recollection. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:42, 14 October 2011 (EDT)

Megatron flew in ROTF. Blackout was just plain destroyed.--[[Special:Contributions/184.100.200.98|184.100.200.98]] 15:48, 14 October 2011 (EDT)

== Least Transformation ==

So there's a note at the bottom of this page which says that this show features the least amout of transformation of any show. This seems to me to be an opinion and not the type of thing we should note on this Wiki and I'm not even sure it's accuarate. What do you guys think.
[[User:Flydie|Flydie]] 10:44, 21 November 2011 (EST)
:: How is it an opinion? We've had several episodes where nobody transforms. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 10:54, 21 November 2011 (EST)
:::It's fact that can be verified by counting the number of transformations in the various series. However, unless we have those numbers, the note should be removed. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:59, 21 November 2011 (EST)
: Well, if I remember correctly, ''Sick Mind'', ''Shadowzone'', ''Scrapheap'', ''One Shall Rise 3'', and ''Con Job'' don't have anyone transforming. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 11:05, 21 November 2011 (EST)
Actually that's the problem most of those are actually wrong while Sick Mind doesn't feature any transformations and i havent seen One Shall Rise part 3 yet but i can definatley discern from memory that all the others on that list featured at least one transformation. Furthermore it seems like an assumtion someone made after having watched a couple of episodes and we shouldn't have assumptions on this wiki. [[User:Flydie|Flydie]] 12:05, 22 November 2011 (EST)

== Nathan Fillion ==

Do we have a source on his involvement or the other two for that matter. [[User:Flydie|Flydie]] 16:11, 17 December 2011 (EST)
:Yes. Yes, we do! Though it would been nice if TFW2005 had said in their article who at Auto Assembly revealed the news (Kaye's confirmed it over Twitter, so we know it's true anyways, but I wanted to link to the original news), and none of the sources I found for the NYCC announcement of Fillion seemed like his casting was firm. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:59, 17 December 2011 (EST)
::http://tformers.com/article.php?sid=16642 I am putting this here for something to point to if this comes up again. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 20:43, 9 February 2012 (EST)

== HUB- Season 2 ==
The HUB website says the second series will premere on Febuary 18th @ 8:30 p.m. Probably shouldn't post this as I can`t figure out if it's true or not. [[Special:Contributions/208.111.201.121|208.111.201.121]] 21:26, 5 January 2012 (EST)
:It's on the Hub's site, so unless someone's made a mistake, we should go with it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:04, 5 January 2012 (EST)

== Voice of Bumblebee ==

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elijah_Wood#Television

It says here that Elijah Wood will be voicing Bumblebee. {{unsigned|69.19.14.39|20:19, 7 January 2012 (EST)}}
:Whoever added the information to Wikipedia did not even cite a source. It is very probably false. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:27, 7 January 2012 (EST)