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Talk:Rapido

2024-12-19T14:36:28Z

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==G2 manga?==
I... don't remember Rapido showing up in anything Japanese aside from Ichikawa's "Chronicles" doujin, which, you know, isn't official. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:41, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

== Rank ==

Check out his new Tech Specs, now he REALLY outranks everybody: Rank 10+ FTW. Can I or someone else add this up to the notes. please? Or do I have to wait, like the rest of the Club fiction? He is now oficially the Chuck Norris of Transformers![[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 02:32, 2 July 2010 (EDT)

==Altmode==
Because nothing drives me crazy like shoehorning real-world makes onto made-up TF vehicle modes, let me put down in text here that I know the Quasar only lines up so well - but paperwork from the production of Rapido (specifically, early samples of his bio/card art) labels him as "Peugeot". -[[User:LV|LV]] 14:11, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:It doesn't line up because it isn't a Peugeot Quasar, it's a Peugeot Proxima. --[[User:Falcadore|Falcadore]] ([[User talk:Falcadore|talk]]) 15:48, 26 March 2021 (EDT)

== Worth mentioning? ==

I'm unsure if i'm missing a stage in his transformation but is it worth mentioning that Rapido can barely see over his own car hood chest? Seem's moderately humourous for a rank of 10.

Also, he might be a Peugeot, but I think there's a very small resemblance to a Lancia Stratos in him as well.
--[[User:Durge|Durge]] 14:41, 24 January 2011 (EST)
:But it already mentions his hood problem in the last line of his toy writeup. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:01, 24 January 2011 (EST)
The Hood bit is mentioned well enough. What is missing though is someone turning the car window around on his back. It's mistransformed on TFU as well. It's on a swivel and the flat bit should be behind his head. At least he can look backwards that way. --[[User:Argus|Argus]] ([[User talk:Argus|talk]]) 09:36, 19 December 2024 (EST)

== Rapido (disambiguation) ==

i'm pretty sure that "Rapido" was G1 Cliffjumper's name in Spanish or French or Italian or something, and i think there was at least one other G1 Minibot who was named "Rapido" in non-English-speaking markets. Does anyone know who the other Rapido is? Should there be a disambiguation page for these guys? Most importantly, using the example of Rapido (G2) and Rapido (Cliffjumper) and Rapido (_____), how do i search TFWiki for the third Rapido? http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Search?search=Rapido redirects to http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Rapido with no mention of Cliffjumper or the other guy(s). Thanks for your help! [[Special:Contributions/70.17.204.103|70.17.204.103]] 16:35, 15 February 2012 (EST)
:Using google's site: operator to limit results to tfwiki, I found, on about the 4th or 5th page of search results that Windcharger also had Rapido listed as a French foreign name. Oddly, both he and Cliffjumper list the name as originating from Canada, though Cliffy has another name listed as well. I dunno what it all means but hopefully it's what you were looking for.--[[Special:Contributions/76.226.217.86|76.226.217.86]] 19:36, 5 May 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Rapido

2024-12-19T14:36:03Z

Argus: /* Worth mentioning? */

==G2 manga?==
I... don't remember Rapido showing up in anything Japanese aside from Ichikawa's "Chronicles" doujin, which, you know, isn't official. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:41, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

== Rank ==

Check out his new Tech Specs, now he REALLY outranks everybody: Rank 10+ FTW. Can I or someone else add this up to the notes. please? Or do I have to wait, like the rest of the Club fiction? He is now oficially the Chuck Norris of Transformers![[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 02:32, 2 July 2010 (EDT)

==Altmode==
Because nothing drives me crazy like shoehorning real-world makes onto made-up TF vehicle modes, let me put down in text here that I know the Quasar only lines up so well - but paperwork from the production of Rapido (specifically, early samples of his bio/card art) labels him as "Peugeot". -[[User:LV|LV]] 14:11, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:It doesn't line up because it isn't a Peugeot Quasar, it's a Peugeot Proxima. --[[User:Falcadore|Falcadore]] ([[User talk:Falcadore|talk]]) 15:48, 26 March 2021 (EDT)

== Worth mentioning? ==

I'm unsure if i'm missing a stage in his transformation but is it worth mentioning that Rapido can barely see over his own car hood chest? Seem's moderately humourous for a rank of 10.

Also, he might be a Peugeot, but I think there's a very small resemblance to a Lancia Stratos in him as well.
--[[User:Durge|Durge]] 14:41, 24 January 2011 (EST)
:But it already mentions his hood problem in the last line of his toy writeup. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:01, 24 January 2011 (EST)
The Hood bit is mentioned well enough. What is missing though is someone turning the car window around on his back. It's mistransformed on TFU as well. It's on a swivel and and the flat bit should be behind his head. At least he can look backwards that way. --[[User:Argus|Argus]] ([[User talk:Argus|talk]]) 09:36, 19 December 2024 (EST)

== Rapido (disambiguation) ==

i'm pretty sure that "Rapido" was G1 Cliffjumper's name in Spanish or French or Italian or something, and i think there was at least one other G1 Minibot who was named "Rapido" in non-English-speaking markets. Does anyone know who the other Rapido is? Should there be a disambiguation page for these guys? Most importantly, using the example of Rapido (G2) and Rapido (Cliffjumper) and Rapido (_____), how do i search TFWiki for the third Rapido? http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Search?search=Rapido redirects to http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Rapido with no mention of Cliffjumper or the other guy(s). Thanks for your help! [[Special:Contributions/70.17.204.103|70.17.204.103]] 16:35, 15 February 2012 (EST)
:Using google's site: operator to limit results to tfwiki, I found, on about the 4th or 5th page of search results that Windcharger also had Rapido listed as a French foreign name. Oddly, both he and Cliffjumper list the name as originating from Canada, though Cliffy has another name listed as well. I dunno what it all means but hopefully it's what you were looking for.--[[Special:Contributions/76.226.217.86|76.226.217.86]] 19:36, 5 May 2012 (EDT)

Metrotitan (G1)

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:''Metrotitan is a [[Decepticon]] [[Titan (group)|Titan]] from the [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (franchise)#Transformers: Zone|Zone]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:Metrotitan.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|The very definition of a "bad neighborhood".]]
Constructed on [[Saturn]]'s moon [[Titan (moon)|Titan]] by the [[Autobot]]s, '''Metrotitan''' (メトロタイタン ''Metorotaitan'') is a massive warrior wielding a devastating freeze ray that can stop most enemies cold. Unfortunately for the Autobots, Metrotitan defected to the [[Decepticon]]s and was taught the ways of evil by the [[Nine Great Demon Generals]] under the command of [[Violengiguar]]. Whether his defection was a conscious choice or the result of forcible reprogramming is a matter of contention, though Metrotitan and his former allies have ultimately accepted his evil ways.

He leads the [[Metrosquad]] and has also been known to house the [[Race Track Patrol]].

In one universe, he is an Autobot-allied [[Titan (group)|Titan]] who serves as an [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]] on [[Earth]].

==Fiction==
===Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''Zone'' story pages====
[[File:MetrotitanInSpace.jpg|thumb|left]]
Created on [[Saturn]]'s moon, [[Titan (moon)|Titan]], Metrotitan was appointed leader of the [[Metrosquad]] and schooled in the ways of evil by [[Violengiguar]]'s [[Nine Great Demon Generals]]. His first mission upon activation was to attack the [[Autobot]] Lunar Zone Base on [[Earth]]'s [[Moon (moon)|moon]] commanded by [[Rabbicrater]]. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (story page)|Zone Part 7}}

He proved to be very impressive in battle, and even killed the veteran Autobot [[Galaxy Shuttle]] in his attack on the [[Zone City|Lunar Zone Base]]. Metrotitan might even have been able to best [[Dai Atlas (G1)|Dai Atlas]] if [[Sonic Bomber (G1)|Sonic Bomber]] hadn't kept the Metrosquad busy. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (story page)|Zone Part 8}}

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Metrotitan then unleashed his Freeze Beam Gun and used it to reduce the moon to an icy tomb. His freeze beam was even powerful enough to stop [[Sky Powered]] in its tracks. However, the Decepticon warrior was unprepared for the arrival of a third [[Powered Master]] named [[Roadfire|Road Fire]]. His freeze beam was easily countered by Road Fire's "Fire Kick" and Metrotitan was soundly defeated. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (story page)|Zone Part 9}}

====Metrowars====
[[File:Metrowars antimatter projector.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.95|Attack on Metrotitan.]]
Years later, Metrotitan fell in with High Regent [[Scrash (G1)|Scrash]]'s splinter faction of Decepticons and was put under the command of [[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]], who dubbed the titan's base mode as "Darkmount" after his former home. In a devastating battle, Metrotitan was able to soundly demolish his kin, [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]].

In a few days, the Decepticons attacked again with Metrotitan, who took down [[Metrobase (G1)|Metrobase]] on his way to Scramble City. But the Autobots were more prepared this time, having rebuilt Metroplex into a larger robot who towered over Metrotitan. When Metrotitan rejected the rumors of having been reprogrammed by the Nine Great Demon Generals, Metroplex accepted this admission and banished Metrotitan from the Autobots forevermore. Badly damaged by Metroplex's [[Anti-matter projector|antimatter projector]], Metrotitan wisely decided to retreat. {{storylink|Metrowars}}

Convalescing afterward, Metrotitan raged over his defeat and swore vengeance against Metroplex, considering the fact that he could ''feel'' such an emotion to be proof that his mind was his own and untampered with. Straxus, perched on his shoulder with his hand wired into Metrotitan's head, coolly encouraged his beliefs. Concurrently, [[Metrobomb]] staged an attempt to steal data on Metroplex's new form so that Metrotitan could be rebuilt into a similar body, but he failed. {{storylink|Metrowars 2}}

====''Legends'' comic====
Prior to awakening and being converted into a Decepticon, Metrotitan had slept beneath Titan's surface since ancient times, inspiring the [[Sky God]] religion practiced by the native [[Titan (species)|Titans]]. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. EX (Metroplex)|Bonus Edition Vol. EX}}

When the [[Race Track Patrol]] recovered [[Full-Tilt (G1)|Full-Tilt]]'s [[personality component]] from [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]'s remains, they brought it to the current Decepticon base, Metrotitan. {{storylink|LG-43 Trypticon Project Chapter}}

Metrotitan was eventually defeated for good by Metroplex, who had tracked him down in a failed attempt to talk Straxus into surrendering. Metroplex returned his comatose body to Titan, where he would slowly absorb the moon's energy and hopefully one day reawaken as his original heroic self. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. EX (Metroplex)|Bonus Edition Vol. EX}}

While recapping Metroplex's life story to [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] and [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] in the [[Legends World|Legends Universe]], [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] mentioned Metrotitan's creation on Titan and his devastating attack on Metroplex. {{storylink|LG14 Ultra Magnus Prologue#The Mysterious Knowledgeable Grandpa Chapter|The Mysterious Knowledgeable Grandpa Chapter}}

Metrotitan resurfaced with the Metrosquad in a larger body to attack [[Micro|Zone]] again under the command of [[Violengiguar]]. He faced his former victim Galaxy Shuttle as well as the Titan-class Autobot, [[Metrobase (G1)|Metrobase]]. {{storylink|The Road to Legends' Revival Chapter 4: LG-EX Big Powered Prologue Part One|LG-EX Big Powered Prologue Part One}}

===''Wings Universe''===
Nine million years ago, the Metrotitan was a fortress in the [[Glibax]] flats. In the first decade of the Decepticon uprising, it came under siege by the Decepticons, who eliminated all resistance and then moved on. The more entrepreneurial [[Rage (G1)|Rage]] of the [[Stormtrooper (G1)|Stormtrooper]]s salvaged the Metrotitan and retrofitted it as a mobile battle station under his control.

After capturing the [[Heart of the Dragon]] from [[Median]], Rage's ultimate goal was to implant the powerful [[personality component]] in the Metrotitan itself, hoping to reformat the fortress into a massively powerful Transformer under his control. He hoped this grand gesture would be enough to get him noticed by the Decepticon generals, and rise in the rebel hierarchy. First, however, he tested the heart in a micro-sized body, creating the dragon known as [[Brimstone (G1 Decepticon)|Brimstone]]. Brimstone rampaged through the Metrotitan after the [[Elite Guard]]smen hunting Rage, until his energy levels destroyed the pint-sized terror from the inside out, apparently taking out the Metrotitan as well in the explosion. {{storylink|Flames of Yesterday}}

===2005 IDW continuity===
{{first|[[Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations|''More Than Meets The Eye'' Annual 2012]]}}
[[File:OP10-Titans.jpg|thumb|right|250px]]
Legends claimed that Metrotitan was one of the original three [[Titan (group)|Titan]]s; along with [[Chela]], his "mate", and his doppelgänger [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], the three had supposedly fought alongside [[Primus]] during the original battle against his dreaded "[[Unicron/Generation 1|opposite]]". The first recorded instance of the three original Titans resurfacing in modern Cybertronian history occurred some twelve million years ago, during the initial unification of the [[Thirteen]], when [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Onyx Prime]] called upon them to end the war between the forces of the [[Crystal City]] and the [[Darklands]]. Their presence did just that, stunning the warriors into submission long enough for Onyx to reach [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] and negotiate a truce.

During the subsequent celebrations, Onyx announced that he had communed with Metrotitan, and designed a [[Autobot|symbol]], based off the countenance of Primus, that would commemorate this new alliance. {{storylink|Origin Myths}} Unbeknownst to the other members of the Thirteen, "Onyx Prime" was not who he appeared to be—in reality, "Onyx" was a cover identity for a time-travelling [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Shockwave]], who had embarked on a new mission to engineer Cybertronian history to his own devising. The "face of Primus" was but one of many ontological paradoxes he would seed history with, which included the [[Dark Cybertron (prophecy)|"Dark Cybertron" prophecy]] and the legend of a "Chosen One", a conqueror who would unite Cybertron in its hour of need. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

[[File:RIDAnnual metrotitan.jpg|left|thumb|200px]]
Following the reign of the Thirteen and the [[First Cybertronian Civil War]], many other Titans departed the planet, until only three remained: Trypticon, Metroplex and Metrotitan. Metrotitan went into hibernation beneath the Crystal City, and came to be guarded by [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]. When [[Nova Prime]] discovered the upper city and allied himself with Omega, the guardian hid Metrotitan's existence from the Prime. His recalcitrance paid off when Nova fell into megalomania and departed Cybertron to conquer other worlds, at which point Omega revealed the Metrotitan to Nova's more respectful former follower, [[Dai Atlas (G1)|Dai Atlas]]. Omega explained that Metrotitan would only awaken in the presence of a great Cybertronian, but that it would be Dai Atlas's task to protect him until then. When the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]] subsequently broke out in the following millennia, Dai Atlas became a conscientious objector and gathered together many like-minded Transformers to form the [[Circle of Light]], and used Metrotitan's energies to power their departure from Cybertron. {{storylink|Primus: All Good Things|All Good Things}} Settling on the planet [[Theophany]], the Circle built a new Crystal City atop the still-sleeping Metrotitan and continued to use his energies to power their new home. {{Storylink|Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations|You, Me, and Other Revelations}}

At some point, Crystal City was razed by [[Solomus|Tyrest]]'s [[Legislator]]s, leaving no sign of life, save Metrotitan slumbering underneath. When the crew of the ''[[Lost Light]]'' arrived to investigate, a subsidence sent them tumbling into the cavern beneath the city where the Titan lay, and they decided to enter its very body so that the their resident [[Mnemosurgery|mnemosurgeon]] [[Chromedome (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Chromedome]] could tap its brain and hopefully find out what had befallen the Circle of Light. Chromedome discovered that Metrotitan's mind was still alive and screaming in frustration—he had heard the call sent out by Cybertron upon the planet's reformatting to "come home", but having been drained by the Circle for so long, he lacked the necessary power to teleport his giant bulk across space. With Metrotitan willing to destroy himself to separate his [[spark]] from his body in order to return home, [[Brainstorm (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Brainstorm]] used miniaturization technology to shrink the giant down to a size that his reduced power could teleport away from the planet. {{Storylink|Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations|You, Me, and Other Revelations}}

[[File:PrimusAllGoodThings-MetrotitanEmbedded.jpg|thumb|right|250px]]
Though millions of years had passed, Onyx Prime was not done with his former servant; using the supplies of [[Ore-10]] that his younger self had once invented, Onyx had been able to reprogram Metrotitan with a specific goal in mind. To ensure that Cybertron would remain weak and divided over the years to come, Onyx had convinced Metrotitan that the legends of the "Chosen One" were true... and that the vain, gullible [[Starscream (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Starscream]] was that Chosen One. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 4: The Hallowing|The Hallowing}} When Metrotitan arrived back on Cybertron, he attempted to return to his old home in Crystal City, but wound up physically enmeshing his molecules into those of the city and causing a local destabilization of reality.

While Autobot scientist [[Wheeljack (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Wheeljack]] worked to contain the impending disaster, [[Prowl (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Prowl]] and Starscream got closer to the Titan and where he awoke, crediting Starscream's presence as the reason. Metrotitan dubbed Starscream the Chosen One and thanked him for allowing him to awaken one last time, before warning the Transformers to depart so that they would not be destroyed along with him. The subsequent antimatter explosion seemingly obliterated him; {{storylink|Primus: All Good Things|All Good Things}} in reality, however, Shockwave's supplies of [[Ore-9]] simply teleported Metrotitan onto the next leg of his journey: [[Earth]]. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 4: The Hallowing|The Hallowing}}

When the [[Quintessa (IDW)|Necrotitan]] appeared near Crystal City after its reconstitution from [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Shockwave]]'s [[Ore-14]], many Transformers–including Starscream himself–mistook it for Metrotitan. {{storylink|Winners & Losers: Dark Cybertron Chapter 3|Winners & Losers}}

[[File:AsAboveSoBelow-metrotitanawakens.jpg|thumb|left|300px|Don't you just hate it when someone wakes you up in the middle of a nap?]]
Having somehow returned to his original size in the interim, Metrotitan wound up buried beneath [[Monument Valley]], {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 5: As Above...So Below|As Above...So Below}} above a rich seam of [[Ore-13]], {{storylink|White Light}} and went into [[Stasis lock|stasis]] until he was needed. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 5: As Above...So Below|As Above...So Below}} During the turbulent days after his annexation of [[Earth]] into the [[Council of Worlds]], [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]] dreamt of Metrotitan bursting free from the ground; this, in turn, prompted him to base his forces in Monument Valley. [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]], continually urged Optimus to "reach out" with his feelings, {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 4: It's Beginning To And Back Again|It's Beginning To And Back Again}} and during a standoff against the [[Earth Defense Command]] Prime seemingly pulled this feat off and reawakened Metrotitan, his dramatic arrival promptly intimidating the humans into retreating. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 5: As Above...So Below|As Above...So Below}}

Footage of Metrotitan's arrival reached Cybertron thanks to the efforts of [[Circuit (G1)|Circuit]] and [[Longtooth]]. The sight of Optimus commanding the loyalty of a Titan as the [[Thirteen]] once had prompted a fresh wave of support from those religiously inclined colony worlds, who viewed him as the legendary [[The Arisen|Arisen]]". {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 6: No Fair Fights|No Fair Fights}} This was yet another step in Shockwave's ultimate goal: by setting Optimus up as a "true" Prime, Shockwave could subsequently discredit Prime and the lineage that had preceded him. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 4: The Hallowing|The Hallowing}}

[[File:TitansReturnOneShot-AutobotCity.jpg|thumb|right|250px]]
In order to appear less imposing to the people of Earth, Metrotitan transformed into his city mode; hoping that the Titan would become an embassy for the Autobots on Earth, Optimus pronounced that Metrotitan would become "[[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]]". Shortly afterwards, Metrotitan beamed a data pulse into space, a message which immortalized Optimus as the leader who had ended the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]] and shepherded Earth into the galactic community. On Cybertron, this data pulse awoke [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]], who took up arms to "purify" his much-changed homeworld; {{storylink|The Last Autobot}} it eventually reached [[Micronus Prime]] in the parallel universe of [[Microspace]], and alerted the villainous [[Baron Karza]] to the existence of Ore-13 on Earth. {{storylink|Secret Raiders: A Revolution Prelude|Secret Raiders}} {{storylink|O Ship of State}}

When Sentinel Prime arrived on Earth to persuade Optimus to join his cause, he did so using Metrotitan's Spacebridge, destroying it behind him. In the ensuing battle beneath the city, [[G.B. Blackrock|Garrison Blackrock]]—now revealed as the ancient [[Sovereign]]—used his [[Titan Master]] abilites to open a new Spacebridge portal that warped himself, Optimus, Soundwave, and Sentinel to the dead world of [[Prion (planet)|Prion]]. {{storylink|White Light}} {{storylink|White Heat}}

After Optimus and Soundwave returned to Earth, the Cybertronians spent the next several months operating out of Metrotitan, performing charitable missions across Earth to prove their good intentions to humanity. {{storylink|Concorde Hymn}} While discussing the Transformers' continued presence on Earth, however, [[Scarlett]] and "[[Joe Colton (Dire Wraith)|Joe Colton]]" worried that Metrotitan's presence had galvanized the citizens of Cybertron behind Optimus, and potentially attracted other aliens to Earth. {{storylink|Secret Raiders: A Revolution Prelude|Secret Raiders}}

[[File:Informed-Metrotitan.jpg|thumb|left|300px]]
By this time, Metrotitan's Spacebridge had been repaired, {{storylink|O Ship of State}} linked to [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]'s own Spacebridge on Cybertron and becoming the primary means of travel between Earth and Cybertron. {{storylink|Ping}} Somehow, Metrotitan's Space Bridge was able to pierce dimensional barriers and access Micronus Prime's own Spacebridge, {{storylink|O Ship of State}} and as the destructive [[Entropy Cloud]] threatened to consume Microspace, Micronus sought help from Optimus and asked Metrotitan to pass his message along. Metrotitan went completely silent in the hopes that Optimus would establish a mental link with him to investigate, but his efforts were misinterpreted as a mechanical failure and the [[Cityspeaker]] [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] was called in to examine him. {{storylink|Informed}} Despite this setback, he continued to fulfill his duties, and, some weeks later, provided the Autobots with data regarding a recent explosion at [[Mount Olympus]] caused by destabilizing supplies of [[Ore-13]]. {{storylink|Concorde Hymn}}

After finally deducing that Metrotitan was trying to speak with Optimus, Windblade decided that she couldn't risk losing the Prime and opted to link with his consciousness herself. Displeased with the "speck", Metrotitan grudgingly shunted her consciousness into the subatomic realm of Microspace to meet with Micronus. {{storylink|Informed}} Learning that the alien [[Dire Wraith]]s drew power from Ore-13, the [[Space Knight]] [[Rom]] briefly used Metrotitan's space bridge to hurl chunks of the mineral into Microspace, hoping to put the ore beyond his enemies' reach. {{storylink|O Ship of State}}

Autobot City then became the site of all out battle as the Autobots and their new allies fought to defend Metrotitan from [[M.A.S.K.]] and the Dire Wraiths. {{storylink|The New Colossus}} When a gigantic, mutated Baron Karza joined the fray, Windblade was able to order Metrotitan to transform into his starship mode and carry the heroes to safety. {{storylink|Valley Forge}}

[[File:NewCybertron-metrotitan.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Optimus Prime's Moving Castle'']]
With Baron Karza defeated, Metrotitan chose to remain airborne as the Autobots continued to police trouble spots across the world. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 1: To Walk Among the Chosen|To Walk Among the Chosen}} The Autobots worked to refit their ship into an embassy and living space for human-Cybertronian relations, keeping a large concentration of Ore-13 aboard. {{storylink|Ghost in the Machine (IDW)|Ghost in the Machine}} Some months later, Metrotitan flew the Autobots to [[Mexico City]] to deal with a breach of the [[Tyrest Accord]], and then transported Optimus and his inner retinue to [[Washington, D.C.]] to meet with the [[President of the United States|President]]. Partway into the discussion, the Titan detected a massive [[Quintesson Cruiser|ship]] entering Earth's atmosphere, and on Optimus's orders he ferried the Autobots to the [[Matterhorn]] to intercept it. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 1: To Walk Among the Chosen|To Walk Among the Chosen}}

The ship belonged to a tribe of nomadic [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]], and after making first contact with [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] and [[Rum-Maj]], the Autobots invited the impressed aliens aboard Metrotitan to begin negotiations. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 2: A Lonely Pillar on the Plain|A Lonely Pillar on the Plain}} A series of diplomatic maneuvers by Prime saw a grand summit between humanity, Earth, and the Junkions held on Metrotitan's flight deck... only for the Junkions to unleash a horde of [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticons]] from their ship, intending to take over Earth. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 4: Dance Among the Shadows|Dance Among the Shadows}}

[[File:FutureGloriesLost-MetrotitanVsJunkions.jpg|thumb|left|250px|"After you, Mongo!"]]
In the ensuing battle, the Junkions rammed their vessel into Metrotitan's hull, and on Prime's command, Metrotitan retaliated by partially [[Transformation|transforming]] into his robot mode and ripping into the ship with his bare hands. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 5: Future Glories Lost|Future Glories Lost}} Having removed the ship, he kept his hold on it until Optimus was able to broker a ceasefire. {{storylink|New Cybertron End: Feel Safe Without Regrets|Feel Safe Without Regrets}} He later flew Optimus and the President to the [[Marshall Islands|Bikini Atoll]] to inspect the growing colony of "[[Little Cybertron]]", {{storylink|The Next Day, and the Next}} and remained there after the Autobots decided to humanely shut down [[Sideswipe (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Sideswipe]]'s life support system. {{storylink|The Life of Sideswipe}}

When [[Joe Colton|Baron Ironblood]] attacked [[Buenos Aires]], Blackrock used his [[Titan Master]] abilities to summon Metrotitan, who subsequently transformed to smash the force field surrounding the [[Onyx]] tower and grant Optimus Prime entry into the fray. Once Blackrock had calculated a counter-frequency to the [[Talisman (G1)|Talisman]]'s [[Dire Wraith]] mutation, he sent it to Metrotitan who—amplifying the signal using his supplies of Ore-13 and inbuilt space bridge—transmitted the cure and returned the infected humans to normal. The curative wave somehow had the effect of releasing the spirit of [[Atomic Man|Mike Power]] into the body of [[Centurion (IDW)|Centurion]]. {{storylink|Ghost in the Machine (IDW)|Ghost in the Machine}}

[[File:PrimelessPart2-Metrotitan.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Metrotitan auditioned for the role of the ''Avenger'' in ''XCOM 2.'']]
When the time came for Earth to formally join the [[Council of Worlds]], Metrotitan relocated to Washington, D.C. so that [[Marissa Faireborn]] and her new diplomatic retinue could travel to [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] via his Spacebridge. {{storylink|Primeless, Part 1}} What they didn't know was that Baron Ironblood and his [[Iron Ring]] were planning their own attack on Cybertron, and used their [[M.A.S.S. Device]] to piggyback off Metrotitan's Spacebridge frequency to transport their troops to Cybertron. {{storylink|First Strike issue 2|First Strike #2}} As the Iron Ring began their attack on Cybertron, Starscream shut down Metroplex's Spacebridge; [[Aileron]] took command and ordered Metrotitan to move away from any human population centers until they could reestablish communications with Cybertron, {{storylink|Primeless, Part 1}} rebasing him above the [[Greenland Sea]]. [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] and [[M.A.S.K.]] arrived shortly thereafter, bringing with them information that revealed Ironblood as the culprit. [[Skyburst (G1)|Skyburst]] and [[Stormclash]] disassembled Metrotitan's Bridge before the group set out to storm [[Castle Destro]], and used some of its components to travel to Cybertron. {{storylink|First Strike issue 2|First Strike #2}}

While doing research for his [[Starscream: The Movie (film)|his movie]], [[Thundercracker (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Thundercracker]] interviewed [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] regarding Starscream's role in Metrotitan's prophecy. Trion opined that Metrotitan had been injured and delirious at the time, and that Starscream happened to be in a position to take advantage of the Titan's rambling. {{storylink|Starscream: The Movie (comic)|Starscream: The Movie}}

[[File:TheGround-Metrotitan.jpg|thumb|left|300px|He's got the touch. He's got the power.]]
After Optimus returned to Earth, he brought Metrotitan to [[Kentucky]] as he presided over the opening of a new Ore-13 mine. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 1: Surfeit of Primes|Surfeit of Primes}} This was cut short when Onyx Prime himself finally returned to Cybertron, and after catching wind of the situation Metrotitan transformed into robot mode and space bridged himself to Cybertron. The machinations of "Onyx" had sent Iacon into chaos, however, and as riots broke out in the streets, Metrotitan - still loyal to what he believed to be his "Chosen One"—opened fire on Onyx's flying skiff. Though Windblade and Optimus attempted to talk him down, the Titan refused to yield, and so Onyx, realizing that Metrotitan's usefulness was at an end, ordered the crew of [[Nemesis (BW)|his starship]] to fire on Metrotitan, blowing a hole through his chest and causing him to collapse. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 3: The Ground|The Ground}}

[[File:TheHallowing-MetrotitansLastWords.jpg|thumb|right|300px]]
Now unmasked as Shockwave, the cyclopean scientist ordered his co-conspirator [[Liege Maximo]] to take a battalion of Maximals to finish off the occupants of the city, who had been inside him when he travelled to Cybertron. As Starscream - now believing himself to be the reincarnation of [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] - clambered up to Metrotitan's head to see if the Titan could confirm this latest revelation, the wounded Titan seemingly confirmed this theory... only for Shockwave to arrive and explain everything—he had deliberately set up Metrotitan as a catspaw, to ensure that Starscream's ineffectual leadership would leave Cybertron fractured and divided for his return. Shockwave punctuated this statement with a blast from his cannon, finally finishing off the mortally wounded Metrotitan. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 4: The Hallowing|The Hallowing}}

In the aftermath of the crisis, Starscream and the other Decepticons took shelter in Metrotitan's dead body, where Starscream discussed his plans to reunite the Decepticon cells scattered throughout the galaxy to [[Decepticon Vengeance Division|fight back]] against the coming threat of [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]]. {{storylink|Unstopped and Unstoppable}} His remains were presumably annihilated when Unicron consumed Cybertron. {{storylink|Road's End}}
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==Toys==
===''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers''===
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[[File:ZoneToy metrotitan.jpg|thumb|400px|Discount Ultra Magnus.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Metrotitan''' ([[1990]])}}</ul>
:* ''ID number'': '''D-340'''
:* ''Accessories:'' Metrodash, Metrodash's arms/cannons (x2), Metrodash's "beam pistol", Metrotank, Metrotank's turret, Metroshot's body/tower, Metroshot's chestplate/tower top, two white cannons/Metroshot's legs, two "ion pulse rifles"/Metroshot's arms, double-barreled cannon, rear tower, shoulder antenna, 2 fists, 2 kneecaps, 3 missiles
{{toydesigner|[[Kōjin Ōno]] (TakaraTomy)}}<ref name = "Diaclone">"Hasbro designed the colors for Metroflex, and at the time I thought it was bland. Thinking about it now, the white and gray feel sophisticated. Actually, when I worked on Metrotitan, I got to pick the colors myself. The finished version is close to what I originally imagined, that's why I used colors so reminiscent of Diaclone. I tend to use a lot of metallic blue (laughs)."—Interview with [[Kōjin Ōno]] on the development of Generation 1 Metroplex in ''[[Transformers Generations 2013]]'' by [[Kōji Shimada]], p.95. [https://twitter.com/_necronomitron_/status/1691165857303724033?s=20 Translated by Necronomitron on Twitter, 2023/08/14]</ref>

:A [[redeco]] of the Autobot [[Metroplex (G1)#Toys|Metroplex]], Metrotitan transforms from a large robot to a multi-leveled "city". This mode includes a service bay with launching mechanism, a helipad, and "parking" for six vehicles in whatever his legs fold out to be. He also has a third mobile battle station mode; a more compact wheeled form that incorporates his many weapons. Additionally, his weapons are all molded with universal-sized pegs that allow them to be attached in several different configurations and locations (for example, in the otherwise-pointless holes in his kneecaps in city mode). Metrotitan came with [[Metroshot]], [[Metrotank]], [[Metrodash]], and [[Metrobomb]]; the first two formed various parts of Metrotitan's alternate modes.

:The smaller "limb" robots from the "[[Scramble Power|Scramble City]]" style combiners can plug into ports in Metrotitans's shoulders and knees in robot mode, while the base modes of [[Silverbolt (G1)#Toys|Silverbolt]], [[Hot Spot (G1)#Toys|Hot Spot]], [[Motormaster (G1)#Toys|Motormaster]], and [[Onslaught (G1)#Toys|Onslaught]] can connect to him in city mode. The peg-size of Metrotitan's weapons also allows them to be wielded by the leaders and super-robots these teams create. He also comes with a special Micromaster-style ramp with a unique attachment at one end, meant to utilize the attachment bracket for the "Scramble City" leaders' base modes.

:Metrotitan's sticker sheet is a completely new one, intended to improve on Metroplex's. The original shoulder stickers (intended to resemble lighted skyscraper windows seen at night) have been replaced by warning panels since they ended up not being visible from the front of the city mode, and the "lighted skyscraper windows" pattern was used for new stickers that can be seen from that side, making the towers (especially the one behind the helipad) look more building-like.

:Metrotitan and his crew are one of only two Decepticon releases in Japan in 1990. The only other Decepticon release during ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)#Zone|Zone]]'' was the [[Race Track Patrol#Toys|Race Track Patrol]].

::* ''[http://www.tfu.info/1990/Destron/Metrotitan/metrotitan.htm More information on Metrotitan at TFU.info]''
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===''The Transformers''===
[[File:G1Metroplex toy.jpg|400px|thumb]]
{{see|Metroplex (G1)#Toys}}

:The original Metroplex toy can be repurposed as Metrotitan's Autobot-aligned body from the [[Metrotitan (G1)#2005 IDW continuity|2005 IDW continuity]].
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==Notes==
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*Metrotitan's deco is heavily influenced by ''[[Diaclone]]'' and ''Transformers'' designer [[Kōjin Ōno]]'s [[Diaclone#Jizai Gattai|preproduction concepts]] for the ''Diaclone'' version of Metroplex before the toy was shuffled into ''[[The Transformers (franchise)|The Transformers]]'' and color design was handed off to [[Hasbro]].<ref name = "Diaclone"/>
*Metrotitan's new body in the ''Legends'' manga is, of course, a "virtual redeco" of ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)#T30|Thrilling 30]]'' Titan Class [[Metroplex (G1)#Generations|Metroplex]], complete with accompanying Metrosquad recolors.
*When the Titans were originally introduced in IDW continuity, they were referred to as "Metrotitans", and a panel showing a group of the giants (pictured at right) included one colored like the original Metrotitan in a nod to the origins of their name. This nomenclature quickly fell out of fashion, however; the species soon became known as merely "Titans", and one singular Titan was retroactively identified as being ''the'' Metrotitan. Unfortunately, the needs of the story meant that it was ''not'' the one with the faithful classic color scheme, who just has to be waved off now.
*The Necrotitan is mistakenly colored to look like IDW Metrotitan due to artist [[Andrew Griffith]] misinterpreting them as being the same 'bot. The other guy was eventually revealed to have the personal name "[[Quintessa (IDW)|Quintessa]]".

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Metrotitan (G1)

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:''Metrotitan is a [[Decepticon]] [[Titan (group)|Titan]] from the [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (franchise)#Transformers: Zone|Zone]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:Metrotitan.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|The very definition of a "bad neighborhood".]]
Constructed on [[Saturn]]'s moon [[Titan (moon)|Titan]] by the [[Autobot]]s, '''Metrotitan''' (メトロタイタン ''Metorotaitan'') is a massive warrior wielding a devastating freeze ray that can stop most enemies cold. Unfortunately for the Autobots, Metrotitan defected to the [[Decepticon]]s and was taught the ways of evil by the [[Nine Great Demon Generals]] under the command of [[Violengiguar]]. Whether his defection was a conscious choice or the result of forcible reprogramming is a matter of contention, though Metrotitan and his former allies have ultimately accepted his evil ways.

He leads the [[Metrosquad]] and has also been known to house the [[Race Track Patrol]].

In one universe, he is an Autobot-allied [[Titan (group)|Titan]] who serves as an [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]] on [[Earth]].

==Fiction==
===Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''Zone'' story pages====
[[File:MetrotitanInSpace.jpg|thumb|left]]
Created on [[Saturn]]'s moon, [[Titan (moon)|Titan]], Metrotitan was appointed leader of the [[Metrosquad]] and schooled in the ways of evil by [[Violengiguar]]'s [[Nine Great Demon Generals]]. His first mission upon activation was to attack the [[Autobot]] Lunar Zone Base on [[Earth]]'s [[Moon (moon)|moon]] commanded by [[Rabbicrater]]. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (story page)|Zone Part 7}}

He proved to be very impressive in battle, and even killed the veteran Autobot [[Galaxy Shuttle]] in his attack on the [[Zone City|Lunar Zone Base]]. Metrotitan might even have been able to best [[Dai Atlas (G1)|Dai Atlas]] if [[Sonic Bomber (G1)|Sonic Bomber]] hadn't kept the Metrosquad busy. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (story page)|Zone Part 8}}

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Metrotitan then unleashed his Freeze Beam Gun and used it to reduce the moon to an icy tomb. His freeze beam was even powerful enough to stop [[Sky Powered]] in its tracks. However, the Decepticon warrior was unprepared for the arrival of a third [[Powered Master]] named [[Roadfire|Road Fire]]. His freeze beam was easily countered by Road Fire's "Fire Kick" and Metrotitan was soundly defeated. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (story page)|Zone Part 9}}

====Metrowars====
[[File:Metrowars antimatter projector.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.95|Attack on Metrotitan.]]
Years later, Metrotitan fell in with High Regent [[Scrash (G1)|Scrash]]'s splinter faction of Decepticons and was put under the command of [[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]], who dubbed the titan's base mode as "Darkmount" after his former home. In a devastating battle, Metrotitan was able to soundly demolish his kin, [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]].

In a few days, the Decepticons attacked again with Metrotitan, who took down [[Metrobase (G1)|Metrobase]] on his way to Scramble City. But the Autobots were more prepared this time, having rebuilt Metroplex into a larger robot who towered over Metrotitan. When Metrotitan rejected the rumors of having been reprogrammed by the Nine Great Demon Generals, Metroplex accepted this admission and banished Metrotitan from the Autobots forevermore. Badly damaged by Metroplex's [[Anti-matter projector|antimatter projector]], Metrotitan wisely decided to retreat. {{storylink|Metrowars}}

Convalescing afterward, Metrotitan raged over his defeat and swore vengeance against Metroplex, considering the fact that he could ''feel'' such an emotion to be proof that his mind was his own and untampered with. Straxus, perched on his shoulder with his hand wired into Metrotitan's head, coolly encouraged his beliefs. Concurrently, [[Metrobomb]] staged an attempt to steal data on Metroplex's new form so that Metrotitan could be rebuilt into a similar body, but he failed. {{storylink|Metrowars 2}}

====''Legends'' comic====
Prior to awakening and being converted into a Decepticon, Metrotitan had slept beneath Titan's surface since ancient times, inspiring the [[Sky God]] religion practiced by the native [[Titan (species)|Titans]]. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. EX (Metroplex)|Bonus Edition Vol. EX}}

When the [[Race Track Patrol]] recovered [[Full-Tilt (G1)|Full-Tilt]]'s [[personality component]] from [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]'s remains, they brought it to the current Decepticon base, Metrotitan. {{storylink|LG-43 Trypticon Project Chapter}}

Metrotitan was eventually defeated for good by Metroplex, who had tracked him down in a failed attempt to talk Straxus into surrendering. Metroplex returned his comatose body to Titan, where he would slowly absorb the moon's energy and hopefully one day reawaken as his original heroic self. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. EX (Metroplex)|Bonus Edition Vol. EX}}

While recapping Metroplex's life story to [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] and [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] in the [[Legends World|Legends Universe]], [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] mentioned Metrotitan's creation on Titan and his devastating attack on Metroplex. {{storylink|LG14 Ultra Magnus Prologue#The Mysterious Knowledgeable Grandpa Chapter|The Mysterious Knowledgeable Grandpa Chapter}}

Metrotitan resurfaced with the Metrosquad in a larger body to attack [[Micro|Zone]] again under the command of [[Violengiguar]]. He faced his former victim Galaxy Shuttle as well as the Titan-class Autobot, [[Metrobase (G1)|Metrobase]]. {{storylink|The Road to Legends' Revival Chapter 4: LG-EX Big Powered Prologue Part One|LG-EX Big Powered Prologue Part One}}

===''Wings Universe''===
Nine million years ago, the Metrotitan was a fortress in the [[Glibax]] flats. In the first decade of the Decepticon uprising, it came under siege by the Decepticons, who eliminated all resistance and then moved on. The more entrepreneurial [[Rage (G1)|Rage]] of the [[Stormtrooper (G1)|Stormtrooper]]s salvaged the Metrotitan and retrofitted it as a mobile battle station under his control.

After capturing the [[Heart of the Dragon]] from [[Median]], Rage's ultimate goal was to implant the powerful [[personality component]] in the Metrotitan itself, hoping to reformat the fortress into a massively powerful Transformer under his control. He hoped this grand gesture would be enough to get him noticed by the Decepticon generals, and rise in the rebel hierarchy. First, however, he tested the heart in a micro-sized body, creating the dragon known as [[Brimstone (G1 Decepticon)|Brimstone]]. Brimstone rampaged through the Metrotitan after the [[Elite Guard]]smen hunting Rage, until his energy levels destroyed the pint-sized terror from the inside out, apparently taking out the Metrotitan as well in the explosion. {{storylink|Flames of Yesterday}}

===2005 IDW continuity===
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Legends claimed that Metrotitan was one of the original three [[Titan (group)|Titan]]s; along with [[Chela]], his "mate", and his doppelgänger [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], the three had supposedly fought alongside [[Primus]] during the original battle against his dreaded "[[Unicron/Generation 1|opposite]]". The first recorded instance of the three original Titans resurfacing in modern Cybertronian history occurred some twelve million years ago, during the initial unification of the [[Thirteen]], when [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Onyx Prime]] called upon them to end the war between the forces of the [[Crystal City]] and the [[Darklands]]. Their presence did just that, stunning the warriors into submission long enough for Onyx to reach [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] and negotiate a truce.

During the subsequent celebrations, Onyx announced that he had communed with Metrotitan, and designed a [[Autobot|symbol]], based off the countenance of Primus, that would commemorate this new alliance. {{storylink|Origin Myths}} Unbeknownst to the other members of the Thirteen, "Onyx Prime" was not who he appeared to be—in reality, "Onyx" was a cover identity for a time-travelling [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Shockwave]], who had embarked on a new mission to engineer Cybertronian history to his own devising. The "face of Primus" was but one of many ontological paradoxes he would seed history with, which included the [[Dark Cybertron (prophecy)|"Dark Cybertron" prophecy]] and the legend of a "Chosen One", a conqueror who would unite Cybertron in its hour of need. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

[[File:RIDAnnual metrotitan.jpg|left|thumb|200px]]
Following the reign of the Thirteen and the [[First Cybertronian Civil War]], many other Titans departed the planet, until only three remained: Trypticon, Metroplex and Metrotitan. Metrotitan went into hibernation beneath the Crystal City, and came to be guarded by [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]. When [[Nova Prime]] discovered the upper city and allied himself with Omega, the guardian hid Metrotitan's existence from the Prime. His recalcitrance paid off when Nova fell into megalomania and departed Cybertron to conquer other worlds, at which point Omega revealed the Metrotitan to Nova's more respectful former follower, [[Dai Atlas (G1)|Dai Atlas]]. Omega explained that Metrotitan would only awaken in the presence of a great Cybertronian, but that it would be Dai Atlas's task to protect him until then. When the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]] subsequently broke out in the following millennia, Dai Atlas became a conscientious objector and gathered together many like-minded Transformers to form the [[Circle of Light]], and used Metrotitan's energies to power their departure from Cybertron. {{storylink|Primus: All Good Things|All Good Things}} Settling on the planet [[Theophany]], the Circle built a new Crystal City atop the still-sleeping Metrotitan and continued to use his energies to power their new home. {{Storylink|Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations|You, Me, and Other Revelations}}

At some point, Crystal City was razed by [[Solomus|Tyrest]]'s [[Legislator]]s, leaving no sign of life, save Metrotitan slumbering underneath. When the crew of the ''[[Lost Light]]'' arrived to investigate, a subsidence sent them tumbling into the cavern beneath the city where the Titan lay, and they decided to enter its very body so that the their resident [[Mnemosurgery|mnemosurgeon]] [[Chromedome (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Chromedome]] could tap its brain and hopefully find out what had befallen the Circle of Light. Chromedome discovered that Metrotitan's mind was still alive and screaming in frustration—he had heard the call sent out by Cybertron upon the planet's reformatting to "come home", but having been drained by the Circle for so long, he lacked the necessary power to teleport his giant bulk across space. With Metrotitan willing to destroy himself to separate his [[spark]] from his body in order to return home, [[Brainstorm (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Brainstorm]] used miniaturization technology to shrink the giant down to a size that his reduced power could teleport away from the planet. {{Storylink|Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations|You, Me, and Other Revelations}}

[[File:PrimusAllGoodThings-MetrotitanEmbedded.jpg|thumb|right|250px]]
Though millions of years had passed, Onyx Prime was not done with his former servant; using the supplies of [[Ore-10]] that his younger self had once invented, Onyx had been able to reprogram Metrotitan with a specific goal in mind. To ensure that Cybertron would remain weak and divided over the years to come, Onyx had convinced Metrotitan that the legends of the "Chosen One" were true... and that the vain, gullible [[Starscream (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Starscream]] was that Chosen One. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 4: The Hallowing|The Hallowing}} When Metrotitan arrived back on Cybertron, he attempted to return to his old home in Crystal City, but wound up physically enmeshing his molecules into those of the city and causing a local destabilization of reality.

While Autobot scientist [[Wheeljack (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Wheeljack]] worked to contain the impending disaster, [[Prowl (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Prowl]] and Starscream got closer to the Titan and where he awoke, crediting Starscream's presence as the reason. Metrotitan dubbed Starscream the Chosen One and thanked him for allowing him to awaken one last time, before warning the Transformers to depart so that they would not be destroyed along with him. The subsequent antimatter explosion seemingly obliterated him; {{storylink|Primus: All Good Things|All Good Things}} in reality, however, Shockwave's supplies of [[Ore-9]] simply teleported Metrotitan onto the next leg of his journey: [[Earth]]. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 4: The Hallowing|The Hallowing}}

When the [[Quintessa (IDW)|Necrotitan]] appeared near Crystal City after its reconstitution from [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Shockwave]]'s [[Ore-14]], many Transformers–including Starscream himself–mistook it for Metrotitan. {{storylink|Winners & Losers: Dark Cybertron Chapter 3|Winners & Losers}}

[[File:AsAboveSoBelow-metrotitanawakens.jpg|thumb|left|300px|Don't you just hate it when someone wakes you up in the middle of a nap?]]
Having somehow returned to his original size in the interim, Metrotitan wound up buried beneath [[Monument Valley]], {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 5: As Above...So Below|As Above...So Below}} above a rich seam of [[Ore-13]], {{storylink|White Light}} and went into [[Stasis lock|stasis]] until he was needed. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 5: As Above...So Below|As Above...So Below}} During the turbulent days after his annexation of [[Earth]] into the [[Council of Worlds]], [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]] dreamt of Metrotitan bursting free from the ground; this, in turn, prompted him to base his forces in Monument Valley. [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]], continually urged Optimus to "reach out" with his feelings, {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 4: It's Beginning To And Back Again|It's Beginning To And Back Again}} and during a standoff against the [[Earth Defense Command]] Prime seemingly pulled this feat off and reawakened Metrotitan, his dramatic arrival promptly intimidating the humans into retreating. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 5: As Above...So Below|As Above...So Below}}

Footage of Metrotitan's arrival reached Cybertron thanks to the efforts of [[Circuit (G1)|Circuit]] and [[Longtooth]]. The sight of Optimus commanding the loyalty of a Titan as the [[Thirteen]] once had prompted a fresh wave of support from those religiously inclined colony worlds, who viewed him as the legendary [[The Arisen|Arisen]]". {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 6: No Fair Fights|No Fair Fights}} This was yet another step in Shockwave's ultimate goal: by setting Optimus up as a "true" Prime, Shockwave could subsequently discredit Prime and the lineage that had preceded him. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 4: The Hallowing|The Hallowing}}

[[File:TitansReturnOneShot-AutobotCity.jpg|thumb|right|250px]]
In order to appear less imposing to the people of Earth, Metrotitan transformed into his city mode; hoping that the Titan would become an embassy for the Autobots on Earth, Optimus pronounced that Metrotitan would become "[[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]]". Shortly afterwards, Metrotitan beamed a data pulse into space, a message which immortalized Optimus as the leader who had ended the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]] and shepherded Earth into the galactic community. On Cybertron, this data pulse awoke [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]], who took up arms to "purify" his much-changed homeworld; {{storylink|The Last Autobot}} it eventually reached [[Micronus Prime]] in the parallel universe of [[Microspace]], and alerted the villainous [[Baron Karza]] to the existence of Ore-13 on Earth. {{storylink|Secret Raiders: A Revolution Prelude|Secret Raiders}} {{storylink|O Ship of State}}

When Sentinel Prime arrived on Earth to persuade Optimus to join his cause, he did so using Metrotitan's Spacebridge, destroying it behind him. In the ensuing battle beneath the city, [[G.B. Blackrock|Garrison Blackrock]]—now revealed as the ancient [[Sovereign]]—used his [[Titan Master]] abilites to open a new Spacebridge portal that warped himself, Optimus, Soundwave, and Sentinel to the dead world of [[Prion (planet)|Prion]]. {{storylink|White Light}} {{storylink|White Heat}}

After Optimus and Soundwave returned to Earth, the Cybertronians spent the next several months operating out of Metrotitan, performing charitable missions across Earth to prove their good intentions to humanity. {{storylink|Concorde Hymn}} While discussing the Transformers' continued presence on Earth, however, [[Scarlett]] and "[[Joe Colton (Dire Wraith)|Joe Colton]]" worried that Metrotitan's presence had galvanized the citizens of Cybertron behind Optimus, and potentially attracted other aliens to Earth. {{storylink|Secret Raiders: A Revolution Prelude|Secret Raiders}}

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By this time, Metrotitan's Spacebridge had been repaired, {{storylink|O Ship of State}} linked to [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]'s own Spacebridge on Cybertron and becoming the primary means of travel between Earth and Cybertron. {{storylink|Ping}} Somehow, Metrotitan's Space Bridge was able to pierce dimensional barriers and access Micronus Prime's own Spacebridge, {{storylink|O Ship of State}} and as the destructive [[Entropy Cloud]] threatened to consume Microspace, Micronus sought help from Optimus and asked Metrotitan to pass his message along. Metrotitan went completely silent in the hopes that Optimus would establish a mental link with him to investigate, but his efforts were misinterpreted as a mechanical failure and the [[Cityspeaker]] [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] was called in to examine him. {{storylink|Informed}} Despite this setback, he continued to fulfill his duties, and, some weeks later, provided the Autobots with data regarding a recent explosion at [[Mount Olympus]] caused by destabilizing supplies of [[Ore-13]]. {{storylink|Concorde Hymn}}

After finally deducing that Metrotitan was trying to speak with Optimus, Windblade decided that she couldn't risk losing the Prime and opted to link with his consciousness herself. Displeased with the "speck", Metrotitan grudgingly shunted her consciousness into the subatomic realm of Microspace to meet with Micronus. {{storylink|Informed}} Learning that the alien [[Dire Wraith]]s drew power from Ore-13, the [[Space Knight]] [[Rom]] briefly used Metrotitan's space bridge to hurl chunks of the mineral into Microspace, hoping to put the ore beyond his enemies' reach. {{storylink|O Ship of State}}

Autobot City then became the site of all out battle as the Autobots and their new allies fought to defend Metrotitan from [[M.A.S.K.]] and the Dire Wraiths. {{storylink|The New Colossus}} When a gigantic, mutated Baron Karza joined the fray, Windblade was able to order Metrotitan to transform into his starship mode and carry the heroes to safety. {{storylink|Valley Forge}}

[[File:NewCybertron-metrotitan.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Optimus Prime's Moving Castle'']]
With Baron Karza defeated, Metrotitan chose to remain airborne as the Autobots continued to police trouble spots across the world. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 1: To Walk Among the Chosen|To Walk Among the Chosen}} The Autobots worked to refit their ship into an embassy and living space for human-Cybertronian relations, keeping a large concentration of Ore-13 aboard. {{storylink|Ghost in the Machine (IDW)|Ghost in the Machine}} Some months later, Metrotitan flew the Autobots to [[Mexico City]] to deal with a breach of the [[Tyrest Accord]], and then transported Optimus and his inner retinue to [[Washington, D.C.]] to meet with the [[President of the United States|President]]. Partway into the discussion, the Titan detected a massive [[Quintesson Cruiser|ship]] entering Earth's atmosphere, and on Optimus's orders he ferried the Autobots to the [[Matterhorn]] to intercept it. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 1: To Walk Among the Chosen|To Walk Among the Chosen}}

The ship belonged to a tribe of nomadic [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]], and after making first contact with [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] and [[Rum-Maj]], the Autobots invited the impressed aliens aboard Metrotitan to begin negotiations. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 2: A Lonely Pillar on the Plain|A Lonely Pillar on the Plain}} A series of diplomatic maneuvers by Prime saw a grand summit between humanity, Earth, and the Junkions held on Metrotitan's flight deck... only for the Junkions to unleash a horde of [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticons]] from their ship, intending to take over Earth. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 4: Dance Among the Shadows|Dance Among the Shadows}}

[[File:FutureGloriesLost-MetrotitanVsJunkions.jpg|thumb|left|250px|"After you, Mongo!"]]
In the ensuing battle, the Junkions rammed their vessel into Metrotitan's hull, and on Prime's command, Metrotitan retaliated by partially [[Transformation|transforming]] into his robot mode and ripping into the ship with his bare hands. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 5: Future Glories Lost|Future Glories Lost}} Having removed the ship, he kept his hold on it until Optimus was able to broker a ceasefire. {{storylink|New Cybertron End: Feel Safe Without Regrets|Feel Safe Without Regrets}} He later flew Optimus and the President to the [[Marshall Islands|Bikini Atoll]] to inspect the growing colony of "[[Little Cybertron]]", {{storylink|The Next Day, and the Next}} and remained there after the Autobots decided to humanely shut down [[Sideswipe (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Sideswipe]]'s life support system. {{storylink|The Life of Sideswipe}}

When [[Joe Colton|Baron Ironblood]] attacked [[Buenos Aires]], Blackrock used his [[Titan Master]] abilities to summon Metrotitan, who subsequently transformed to smash the force field surrounding the [[Onyx]] tower and grant Optimus Prime entry into the fray. Once Blackrock had calculated a counter-frequency to the [[Talisman (G1)|Talisman]]'s [[Dire Wraith]] mutation, he sent it to Metrotitan who—amplifying the signal using his supplies of Ore-13 and inbuilt space bridge—transmitted the cure and returned the infected humans to normal. The curative wave somehow had the effect of releasing the spirit of [[Atomic Man|Mike Power]] into the body of [[Centurion (IDW)|Centurion]]. {{storylink|Ghost in the Machine (IDW)|Ghost in the Machine}}

[[File:PrimelessPart2-Metrotitan.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Metrotitan auditioned for the role of the ''Avenger'' in ''XCOM 2.'']]
When the time came for Earth to formally join the [[Council of Worlds]], Metrotitan relocated to Washington, D.C. so that [[Marissa Faireborn]] and her new diplomatic retinue could travel to [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] via his Spacebridge. {{storylink|Primeless, Part 1}} What they didn't know was that Baron Ironblood and his [[Iron Ring]] were planning their own attack on Cybertron, and used their [[M.A.S.S. Device]] to piggyback off Metrotitan's Spacebridge frequency to transport their troops to Cybertron. {{storylink|First Strike issue 2|First Strike #2}} As the Iron Ring began their attack on Cybertron, Starscream shut down Metroplex's Spacebridge; [[Aileron]] took command and ordered Metrotitan to move away from any human population centers until they could reestablish communications with Cybertron, {{storylink|Primeless, Part 1}} rebasing him above the [[Greenland Sea]]. [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] and [[M.A.S.K.]] arrived shortly thereafter, bringing with them information that revealed Ironblood as the culprit. [[Skyburst (G1)|Skyburst]] and [[Stormclash]] disassembled Metrotitan's Bridge before the group set out to storm [[Castle Destro]], and used some of its components to travel to Cybertron. {{storylink|First Strike issue 2|First Strike #2}}

While doing research for his [[Starscream: The Movie (film)|his movie]], [[Thundercracker (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Thundercracker]] interviewed [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] regarding Starscream's role in Metrotitan's prophecy. Trion opined that Metrotitan had been injured and delirious at the time, and that Starscream happened to be in a position to take advantage of the Titan's rambling. {{storylink|Starscream: The Movie (comic)|Starscream: The Movie}}

[[File:TheGround-Metrotitan.jpg|thumb|left|300px|He's got the touch. He's got the power.]]
After Optimus returned to Earth, he brought Metrotitan to [[Kentucky]] as he presided over the opening of a new Ore-13 mine. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 1: Surfeit of Primes|Surfeit of Primes}} This was cut short when Onyx Prime himself finally returned to Cybertron, and after catching wind of the situation Metrotitan transformed into robot mode and space bridged himself to Cybertron. The machinations of "Onyx" had sent Iacon into chaos, however, and as riots broke out in the streets, Metrotitan - still loyal to what he believed to be his "Chosen One"—opened fire on Onyx's flying skiff. Though Windblade and Optimus attempted to talk him down, the Titan refused to yield, and so Onyx, realizing that Metrotitan's usefulness was at an end, ordered the crew of [[Nemesis (BW)|his starship]] to fire on Metrotitan, blowing a hole through his chest and causing him to collapse. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 3: The Ground|The Ground}}

[[File:TheHallowing-MetrotitansLastWords.jpg|thumb|right|300px]]
Now unmasked as Shockwave, the cyclopean scientist ordered his co-conspirator [[Liege Maximo]] to take a battalion of Maximals to finish off the occupants of the city, who had been inside him when he travelled to Cybertron. As Starscream - now believing himself to be the reincarnation of [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] - clambered up to Metrotitan's head to see if the Titan could confirm this latest revelation, the wounded Titan seemingly confirmed this theory... only for Shockwave to arrive and explain everything—he had deliberately set up Metrotitan as a catspaw, to ensure that Starscream's ineffectual leadership would leave Cybertron fractured and divided for his return. Shockwave punctuated this statement with a blast from his cannon, finally finishing off the mortally wounded Metrotitan. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 4: The Hallowing|The Hallowing}}

In the aftermath of the crisis, Starscream and the other Decepticons took shelter in Metrotitan's dead body, where Starscream discussed his plans to reunite the Decepticon cells scattered throughout the galaxy to [[Decepticon Vengeance Division|fight back]] against the coming threat of [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]]. {{storylink|Unstopped and Unstoppable}} His remains were presumably annihilated when Unicron consumed Cybertron. {{storylink|Road's End}}
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==Toys==
===''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers''===
{{anchor|Zone}}
[[File:ZoneToy metrotitan.jpg|thumb|400px|Discount Ultra Magnus.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Metrotitan''' ([[1990]])}}</ul>
:* ''ID number'': '''D-340'''
:* ''Accessories:'' Metrodash, Metrodash's arms/cannons (x2), Metrodash's "beam pistol", Metrotank, Metrotank's turret, Metroshot's body/tower, Metroshot's chestplate/tower top, two white cannons/Metroshot's legs, two "ion pulse rifles"/Metroshot's arms, double-barreled cannon, rear tower, shoulder antenna, 2 fists, 2 kneecaps, 3 missiles
{{toydesigner|[[Kōjin Ōno]] (TakaraTomy)}}<ref name = "Diaclone">"Hasbro designed the colors for Metroflex, and at the time I thought it was bland. Thinking about it now, the white and gray feel sophisticated. Actually, when I worked on Metrotitan, I got to pick the colors myself. The finished version is close to what I originally imagined, that's why I used colors so reminiscent of Diaclone. I tend to use a lot of metallic blue (laughs)."—Interview with [[Kōjin Ōno]] on the development of Generation 1 Metroplex in ''[[Transformers Generations 2013]]'' by [[Kōji Shimada]], p.95. [https://twitter.com/_necronomitron_/status/1691165857303724033?s=20 Translated by Necronomitron on Twitter, 2023/08/14]</ref>

:A [[redeco]] of the Autobot [[Metroplex (G1)#Toys|Metroplex]], Metrotitan transforms from a large robot to a multi-leveled "city". This mode includes a service bay with launching mechanism, a helipad, and "parking" for six vehicles in whatever his legs fold out to be. He also has a third mobile battle station mode; a more compact wheeled form that incorporates his many weapons. Additionally, his weapons are all molded with universal-sized pegs that allow them to be attached in several different configurations and locations (for example, in the otherwise-pointless holes in his kneecaps in city mode). Metrotitan came with [[Metroshot]], [[Metrotank]], [[Metrodash]], and [[Metrobomb]]; the first two formed various parts of Metrotitan's alternate modes.

:The smaller "limb" robots from the "[[Scramble Power|Scramble City]]" style combiners can plug into ports in Metrotitans's shoulders and knees in robot mode, while the base modes of [[Silverbolt (G1)#Toys|Silverbolt]], [[Hot Spot (G1)#Toys|Hot Spot]], [[Motormaster (G1)#Toys|Motormaster]], and [[Onslaught (G1)#Toys|Onslaught]] can connect to him in city mode. The peg-size of Metrotitan's weapons also allows them to be wielded by the leaders and super-robots these teams create.

:Metrotitan's sticker sheet is a completely new one, intended to improve on Metroplex's. The original shoulder stickers (intended to resemble lighted skyscraper windows seen at night) have been replaced by warning panels since they ended up not being visible from the front of the city mode, and the "lighted skyscraper windows" pattern was used for new stickers that can be seen from that side, making the towers (especially the one behind the helipad) look more building-like.

:Metrotitan and his crew are one of only two Decepticon releases in Japan in 1990. The only other Decepticon release during ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)#Zone|Zone]]'' was the [[Race Track Patrol#Toys|Race Track Patrol]].

::* ''[http://www.tfu.info/1990/Destron/Metrotitan/metrotitan.htm More information on Metrotitan at TFU.info]''
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===''The Transformers''===
[[File:G1Metroplex toy.jpg|400px|thumb]]
{{see|Metroplex (G1)#Toys}}

:The original Metroplex toy can be repurposed as Metrotitan's Autobot-aligned body from the [[Metrotitan (G1)#2005 IDW continuity|2005 IDW continuity]].
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==Notes==
[[File:MtMtEAnn2012-Metrotitans.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.5]]
*Metrotitan's deco is heavily influenced by ''[[Diaclone]]'' and ''Transformers'' designer [[Kōjin Ōno]]'s [[Diaclone#Jizai Gattai|preproduction concepts]] for the ''Diaclone'' version of Metroplex before the toy was shuffled into ''[[The Transformers (franchise)|The Transformers]]'' and color design was handed off to [[Hasbro]].<ref name = "Diaclone"/>
*Metrotitan's new body in the ''Legends'' manga is, of course, a "virtual redeco" of ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)#T30|Thrilling 30]]'' Titan Class [[Metroplex (G1)#Generations|Metroplex]], complete with accompanying Metrosquad recolors.
*When the Titans were originally introduced in IDW continuity, they were referred to as "Metrotitans", and a panel showing a group of the giants (pictured at right) included one colored like the original Metrotitan in a nod to the origins of their name. This nomenclature quickly fell out of fashion, however; the species soon became known as merely "Titans", and one singular Titan was retroactively identified as being ''the'' Metrotitan. Unfortunately, the needs of the story meant that it was ''not'' the one with the faithful classic color scheme, who just has to be waved off now.
*The Necrotitan is mistakenly colored to look like IDW Metrotitan due to artist [[Andrew Griffith]] misinterpreting them as being the same 'bot. The other guy was eventually revealed to have the personal name "[[Quintessa (IDW)|Quintessa]]".

==References==
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[[Category:Decepticon bases]]
[[Category:City Transformers]]
[[Category:IDW (2005) cities]]
[[Category:IDW (2005) Transformers]]
[[Category:Japanese-original Transformers]]
[[Category:Legends Decepticons]]
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Stalker (G1)

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{{disambig2|the Decepticon Predator|the human member of G.I. Joe|Stalker (G.I. Joe)}}
:''Stalker is a [[Decepticon]] [[Predator (subgroup)|Predator]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[File:G1Stalker boxart.jpg|upright=1.5|thumb|"Could I BE wearing any more neon?"]]
'''Stalker''' is the [[Predator (subgroup)|Predators]]' communications specialist. The only land-based member of the team, he is a master of the double bluff and thrives on causing confusion among his enemies. It's his job to keep the Predators' communiques from being intercepted by their [[Turbomaster]] foes, but he also takes a cruel pleasure in using his 'Garble' comms systems to scramble the [[Autobot]]s' own signals.

He has a talent for causing things pain.

{{bigquote|Hate till it hurts and then hate some more.|Stalker on the subject of hate}}

==Fiction==
===Predator Air Attack!===
[[File:G1 Turbomasters Predators comic.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|Wait, what am I shooting from again?]]
Stalker finally clashed with his [[Turbomaster]] rival, the legendary [[Rotorstorm (G1)|Rotorstorm]]. He declared that the Autobot should prepare to die, then fired his arm blasters. {{storylink|Predator Air Attack!}}
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===2005 IDW continuity===
:*''First Appearance:'' [[Megatron Origin issue 2|''Megatron Origin'' #2]]; [[Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 1|''Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers'' #1]] (modern era)
[[File:Stalker prewar.jpg|thumb|left]]
Millions of years ago, Stalker worked with [[Skyquake (G1)|Skyquake]] and [[Clench (G1)|Clench]] during the deathmatch sports of Kaon, at the time [[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]] first entered the tournaments. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 2|Megatron Origin #2}} At some point after the war began, Stalker was staffed at [[Grindcore (prison)|Grindcore]], where he administrated "mouth flowers", a mouth-installed [[inhibitor spike]], to Autobot prisoners. If [[Rev-Tone|you]] didn't ''have'' a mouth, Stalker would... 'make' one. {{storylink|Speak, Memory: Part 1}}
[[File:Image-LastStandoftheWreckers3-Twin Twist and Stalker.jpg|upright=1.6|thumb|''I'm your dentiiiiiist! And I enjoy the career that I picked I'm your dentiiiiist And I get off on the pain I inflict!'']]
After his stint at the prison, Stalker was part of [[Skyquake (G1)|Skyquake]]'s Predator force sent to crush a resistance movement in the [[Skomiloch Territories]]. He upgraded his optics and colouring to better fight the area's [[neon|atmospheric conditions]]. During this time away from regular Decepticon protocols, Stalker hung out with [[Snare]] and began taking a sadistic pleasure in his treatment of the prisoners. {{storylink|The Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers|Snare's personnel evaluation}}

The Predators were sent to seize [[Garrus-9]]. When [[Overlord (G1)|Overlord]] took over, Stalker began to advise him. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 1|Last Stand of the Wreckers #1}}

Stalker was later with Overlord when the Wreckers arrived in the Pit. Stalker informed Overlord that a second group was free in the base. After [[Twin Twist (G1)|Twin Twist]], [[Springer (G1)|Springer]], and [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]] were captured, Stalker began torturing Twin Twist within Garrus-9's "Spark Ext<s>ra</s>'''in'''ction Chamber". {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 3|Last Stand of the Wreckers #3}}

After taking a quick break to fetch a downright nasty torture instrument known as an [[endoscopic claw]], Stalker continued to torture Twin Twist. However, the Autobot suddenly and rather vioilently died when his [[branched spark]] brother, [[Topspin (G1)|Topspin]], willingly gave up his/their spark to both unlock the [[Aequitas]] supercomputer ''and'' put an end to Twin Twist's suffering. Stalker was disappointed that his victim had died before he could really start enjoying himself, but shrugged it off and moved on to Impactor. Before he could begin, he was interrupted by [[Kup (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Kup]] and [[Guzzle (G1)|Guzzle]], who had been led there by his fellow Predator [[Snare]]. Enraged by Snare's betrayal, Stalker fatally injured the traitor, but was in turn killed when Springer was released and stabbed him through the head with his own torture device. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 4|Last Stand of the Wreckers #4}}
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===Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
The [[Multiforce]] fought the Predators in the Skomiloch Territories after they were displaced from their native time by a dimensional shock. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/01}}

==Toys==
===''The Transformers''===
[[File:G1Stalker toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|My Mega-Visor shows you all those cool toys you will never see in store!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Stalker''' (Medium Predator, [[1992]])}}
:*''Accessories'': ICBM, radar dish, missile launcher, 5 missiles
{{toydesigner|[[Andy Couzens]] (Hasbro), [[Takio Ejima]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Masakatsu Saito]] (concept artist)}}

: Released in the eighth year of the [[The Transformers (European toyline)|European-market ''Transformers'' toyline]] (the final one to use the original faction symbols), [[Predator (subgroup)#Toys|Predator]] Stalker transforms into a four-tracked satellite station and ICBM (Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile) launcher. He is equipped with a standard Predator missile launcher which, while undocumented in the instructions, can mount on the smaller holes of his shoulders in vehicle mode. All un-loaded missiles can be stored on his tread-covers in either mode. His large rocket also serves as his [[Megavisor]] scope, allowing the four Small Predators ([[Snare#Toys|Snare]], [[Falcon (G1)#Toys|Falcon]], [[Skydive (Predator)#Toys|Skydive]] and [[Talon (G1)#Toys|Talon]]) to connect to him, but also features its own slide on a flip-down panel, showing a schematic vehicle-mode image of [[Rotorstorm (G1)#Toys|Rotorstorm]], with readouts reading "[[TakaraTomy|TAK-A-RA]]", "[[Marvel Comics|MA-R-VEL]]", "AUG-U-SA" and "[[Hideaki Yoke|YO-KE]]".

: Due to a combination of design and [[Gold Plastic Syndrome]], the Predator launchers are quite delicate. It's best never to load one of the launchers while it is in the hand of a Predator—the post is most likely to just snap right off. The trigger is also likely to snap off due to relying on on the plastic bending as opposed to being hinged.

: This mold was used to make both ''[[Machine Wars: Transformers|Machine Wars]]'' [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Machine Wars|Soundwave]] and ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Universe (2003)|Soundwave]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1992/Decepticon/Stalker/stalker.htm More information on Stalker at TFU.info]''

==Notes==
*Stalker's Megavisor slide is labeled with several text pointers, some of which are Easter eggs of sorts. The labels read [[TakaraTomy|"TAK-A-RA"]], [[Marvel Comics|"MA-R-VEL"]], [[Hideaki Yoke|"YO-KE"]], and "AUG-U-SA".

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Stalker''' (ストーカー ''Sutōkā'')
*''Dutch:'' '''Buzzard'''
*''French:'' '''Traqueur''' (Canada, "Tracker"), '''Buzzard''' (Europe)
*''Italian:'' '''Blindo'''

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Jazz (G1)/toys

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[[File:G1 packagingart Jazz.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Don't be racist. Be like the panda. They're black, white, and Asian.]]
'''[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]]''' has appeared as many toys. All of them cool.

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
* '''Jazz''' (Autobot Car, 1984/1985)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''06'''
**''Accessories:'' [[Photon rifle]], missile launcher, 3 missiles
[[File:G1 Jazz toy.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|At least he doesn't like music as much as Blaster.]]
:Originally a pre-''Transformers'' ''Diaclone'' Porsche 935 Turbo, Jazz was part of the original assortment of Autobots released in 1984. He transforms into a Martini Racing Porsche 935/76, specifically the Martini-sponsored 935 which won the first circuit of the [[Wikipedia:1976 World Championship for Makes season|1976 World Championship for Makes]], the Mugello Circuit. Like other Autobots who sported similar "sponsor" decals, however, Jazz's stickers deliberately misspell his sponsor as "Martinii". In [[robot mode]], he is armed with a silver [[photon rifle]] and a shoulder-mounted, spring-loaded rocket launcher that can fire three silver missiles.

:Like all his 1984 brethren, Jazz gained a heat-activated [[rubsign]] in 1985, added to the right-hand side of his hood. That same year, Jazz was also made available as a mail-away [[exclusive]] from [[Cookie Crisp]] cereal; this edition of the figure featured modified [[sticker]]s on its car doors that omitted the "Martinii" words, and entirely lacked the "Martinii Porsche" decals for the windshield and rear spoiler.

:Jazz was later reissued by [[Hasbro]] as part of the European and Australian ''[[Classics (Europe)|Classics]]'' sub-line in 1990 and the ''[[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series]]'' line in 2003, and by [[TakaraTomy|Takara/TakaraTomy]] as part of the ''[[The Transformers Collection]]'' (2002) and ''[[Transformers Encore]]'' (2008) lines. See entries below for more details.

:This mold was also used to make (the originally Japanese-exclusive) [[Ricochet (Headmasters)|Stepper]], later renamed Ricochet for Hasbro's reissue.

::*''[http://www.transformerland.com/wiki/toy-info/transformers-g1-autobot-cars-jazz/84/ Patent info, price guide, and further reading on Jazz at Transformerland.com]''
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1984/Autobot/Jazz/jazz.htm More information on Jazz at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Pretender Jazz toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|In a just world, Jazz's Pretender shell would look like Richard Roundtree.]]
* '''Jazz''' ([[Classic Pretender]], 1989)
**''Accessories:'' 2-piece [[Pretender]] shell, helmet, rifle, laser

: The first new toy since the original, Classic Pretender Jazz is a highly simplified version of his original toy, still transforming into a Porsche 935 Turbo. He is armed with a black gun (named only a "laser" in his instructions, but given the dramatic identifier of a "semi-automatic ion pulse gun" in his [[Tech Spec]]s), which can mount on his roof in vehicle mode.

:Jazz's two-piece Pretender shell resembles a human in a blue and white armored space suit with a removable helmet. The shell is armed with a large black rifle (a "photon rifle", to be precise, according to his Tech Specs), and when Jazz is stored inside, it can also hold the smaller robot's laser, thanks to the weapon's multi-width peg.

:And yes, there's certainly something odd about a white-skinned Jazz. Cultural appropriation or just a designer who didn't know his source material? [[You]] decide.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1989/Autobot/Jazz/jazz.htm More information on Classic Pretender Jazz at TFU.info]''

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* '''Jazz''' (Legend, 1989)
**''Accessories:'' Laser

:Available [[exclusive]]ly at American [[Kmart]] stores, the [[Legends (G1)|Legends]] version of Jazz is simply the inner robot of the Classic Pretender toy without the shell or its accessories, leaving him only a small handgun.... however, it happens to be ''[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#G1Legend|Bumblebee's]]'' gun. (Legends Bumblebee has Pretender Jazz's gun.)

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[[File:G1toy japanese legends giftset.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Hero Set''' (Multi-pack, 1989)
**''Accessories:'' Laser

: In Japan, Legends Jazz was only available in a boxed "Hero Set" with the Legends versions of [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Hero Set|Bumblebee]], [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#HeroSet|Grimlock]] and [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Heroset|Starscream]]. Jazz was however not identical to the Hasbro release as the factory applied sticker on the car hood is applied upside down.

: In Italy, [[GiG]] released their own version of the Hero Set, named "Set Commandos", instead of the Classic Pretender versions of the toys. Here, Jazz was named "Folgore", originally the Italian name of [[Hot Rod]]. The "Set Commandos" toys were identical to the Japanese "Hero Set" versions.

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[[File:Actionmaster Jazz.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Now he can shred the streets on his board.]]
* '''Jazz w/ Turbo Board''' (Action Master, 1990)
**''Italian Name:'' '''Bionic'''
**''Accessories:'' "Electromagnetizer Gun", Turbo Board

: [[Action Master]] Jazz's sculpt was based upon his cartoon model, but with some of the toy details added in. As with most Action Master figures, he cannot transform, but his [[Turbo Board]] partner can transform from a skateboard into a large blaster weapon. Jazz was part of the first wave of individual Action Master figures.

: There are reportedly several minor variations of this figure, all regarding the color of his headlights. Some have them unpainted, while others are light blue or greenish-blue.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1990/Autobot/Jazz/jazz.htm More information on Action Master Jazz at TFU.info]''
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[[File:G1toy classic heroes jazz.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
* '''Classic Jazz''' (1990)
**''Accessories:'' Photon rifle, missile launcher, 3 missiles
:Jazz was reissued in Europe and Australia in 1990 as part of the ''[[Classics (Europe)|Classics]]'' line. This version was identical to the original toy, with the exception of the missing "Martinii" logos on the door decals, like on the Cookie Crisp version. Unlike the Cookie Crisp version, however, this version did include the "Martinii Porsche" decals for the windshield and the rear spoiler.
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===Generation 2===
[[File:G2 Jazz.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Jazz''' (Autobot Car, 1993)
**''Accessories:'' "Photon Rifle", missile launcher, 2 missiles

:''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' Jazz is a slight [[retool]] and (literal) [[repaint]] of the original toy. The chrome feet have been narrowed, omitting two tabs. His face (apparently degraded from [[mold]] usage) now has a strange unintentional smirk. His roof has been retooled with a small hole to accommodate his new bright green, spring-loaded missile launcher. All of his "Martinii" stickers have been replaced with various new stickers depicting his name and the number "1" laid over a rainbow-colored musical note.

:This mold became the basis for future reissues of Jazz, minus the roof hole retooling but retaining his smirk.

: The missile launcher was not created for the ''Generation 2'' line, but came from the [http://www.yojoe.com/action/91/snowserpent2.shtml Snow Serpent] from the ''[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]'' toyline. The same launcher was used in the ''Generation 2'' re-releases of [[Sideswipe (G1)/toys|Sideswipe]] and [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1993/Autobot/Jazz/jazz.htm More information on Generation 2 Jazz at TFU.info]''

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[[File:LaserCycleJazz.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|He's ready to [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-images/tech-specs/Generation-2-Tech-Specs/1995-Transformers-Tech-Specs/Jazz__1995_.jpg.html smash Decepticons like he jams on his guitar!] Uh, assuming he has an Autobot guitar somewhere. They [[Rock Bot (G1)|didn't actually make those]].]]
*'''Jazz''' (Laser Cycle, 1995)

: A [[redeco]] of the [[Laser Cycle]] [[Road Rocket (G2)|Road Rocket]] was planned as Jazz, but like many other planned late-1995 ''Generation 2'' redecos, ultimately never saw release. Interestingly, many of these — including Jazz and fellow Laser Cycle redeco [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#LaserCycle|Soundwave]] — ''were'' solicited in various store catalogues, such as the Sears Wish Book. Some packaged samples of this toy do exist, but there are estimated to be less than a dozen in existence. Jazz would have transformed from a white, yellow, and green Yamaha GTS1000 motorcycle, with an LED-lit arm-mounted buzzsaw that formed part of his rear wheel assembly in cycle mode.

: This mold was later [[retool]]ed to make ''Robots in Disguise'' [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]] and ''[[Robotmasters (franchise)|Robotmasters]]'' Road Rocket.

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===The Transformers Collection===
[[File:G1toy tfc jazz.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
* '''Meister''' (Transformers Collection, [[2002]]-[[July 20|07-20]])
**''ID number:'' '''1'''
**''Accessories:'' "[[Photon rifle]]", missile launcher, 3 missiles

: Jazz was the first entry in Takara's ''[[The Transformers Collection]]'' series of reissues, featuring collectible "book-box" packaging. The figure uses the retooled version of the Jazz mold used in ''Generation 2'', with narrower feet, though the peg-hole in his roof has been removed. Continued degradation of the mold in the intervening years led to further problems with the toy: in addition to the overall looseness of its joints, the toy's face is further deteriorated from the ''Generation 2'' use of the mold, now displaying a gape-mouthed smirk (see inset in picture), and its roof and rear windows no longer align perfectly.

: In addition to these unfortunate, unintentional changes from the original, some intentional changes were made to the figure's stickers. The original toy's "Martinii" sponsor decals on his hood and door are modified to instead display his Japanese name, "Meister", while the "Martinii Porsche" decal across the top of his windshield now reads "Agent Meister".

: A second production run of this figure replaced the original toolings for the weapons with the modified versions that came with Hasbro's ''Commemorative Series'' reissue (see [[#Commemorative Series|below]]).

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===Collector's Edition===
[[File:Ehobby Meister.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Bling bling~!!!]]
* '''Meister Gold Version''' (e-Hobby exclusive, 2002)
**''Accessories:'' "Photon Rifle", missile launcher, 3 missiles

: A ''[[Collector's Edition]]'' [[e-HOBBY]] [[exclusive]], this version of Jazz is almost entirely constructed of vacuum-metalized gold plastic. Fingerprints and chipping, ahoy! It uses the degraded mold of the ''Transformers Collection'' figure, and was only available in a set with the "Anime Version" redeco of [[Bluestreak (G1)/toys|Bluestreak]]. Both figures came in the generic red Autobot packaging shared by nearly all eHobby figures.

: Though this redeco resembles Jazz's [[electrum]]-covered appearance in the episode "[[The Golden Lagoon (episode)|The Golden Lagoon]]", this appears to be an unintentional coincidence; it is actually a recreation of an old ''[[Diaclone]]'' campaign prize.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Cybertron/Jazz/jazz.htm More information on Meister Gold Version at TFU.info]''
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===Commemorative Series===
* '''Autobot Jazz''' (Commemorative Series III, 2003)
**''Accessories:'' "[[Photon rifle]]", missile launcher, 3 missiles

: Hasbro's own reissue of the 1984 Jazz as part of the ''[[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Generation One Commemorative Series]]'', now named "Autobot Jazz" for [[trademark]] reasons, is based on Takara's ''Transformers Collection'' version, retaining the ugly smirk and the "Agent Meister" stickers. The alignment problem with the roof and the rear windows has been fixed.

: The weapons have been heavily [[retool]]ed [[for safety reasons]]: The chrome finish is missing, the missiles have been elongated and can only be inserted one way, the nub on the back of the launcher has also been elongated, the launcher barrel can come off the mount, and the trigger has been altered as well.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Autobot/AutobotJazz/jazz.htm More information on Commemorative Series Jazz at TFU.info]''

===Universe (2003)===
[[File:TFU03-toy Jazz.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Well, he still can't see his toes, so that part's accurate...]]
*'''Autobot Jazz''' (Spy Changer, 2004-2005)
**''Accessories:'' Rifle

:[[Spy Changer]] Jazz is a redeco of [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 toyline)|2001 ''Robots in Disguise'']] [[Side Burn (RID)#Spychanger|Spy Changer Side Burn]]. He transforms into a 1:64-scale [[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes|Dodge Viper]] with Jazz's classic white Martini Racing colour scheme and livery, via [[sticker]]s. Like all [[Go-Bot (G2)|Go-Bots]] molds, he features high-speed axles and can roll very well across smooth surfaces, but lacks the weight to propel him quickly. His rifle is stored between his legs, acting as a tailpipe in vehicle mode.

:This toy was originally exclusively available at [[KB Toys]] stores in 2004, in generic ''Transformers'' packaging with no additional sub-line header. The same toy was later re-released in ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' packaging in 2005, now available from discount chains such as Dollar General and Family Dollar.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Autobot/SpyJazz/jazz.htm More information on Universe Jazz at TFU.info]''
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===Smallest Transforming Transformers===
[[File:WSTF Meister.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Tiny Jazz]]

* '''Meister''' (2004)

:''[[Smallest Transforming Transformers]]'' Jazz is a tiny replica of the original Jazz toy. His wheels do not roll, and he has a simplified [[transformation scheme]] with considerably more restricted articulation.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Cybertron/SmallestJazz/jazz.htm More information on Smallest Transforming Jazz at TFU.info]''

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===Alternators/Binaltech===
[[File:Alternators Meister.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Zoom zoom zoom!
Ya! zoomzoomzoom.]]
*'''Meister''' Mazda RX-8 (Alternator, 2004/2006)
**''Alternators ID number:'' '''7'''
**''Binaltech ID number:'' '''BT-08'''
**''Accessories:'' Muffler-blaster

:For the ''[[Transformers: Alternators|Alternators]]'' line, "Meister" (the Hasbro release uses the Japanese-market name as well for a change) was given a new [[alternate mode]], namely a highly accurate, [[licensed vehicle alternate modes|licensed]] 1:24 [[scale]] white [[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes|Mazda RX-8]]. He features an opening hood with engine, opening "suicide" doors and an opening trunk, as well as a detailed interior with seats and a dashboard complete with steering wheel. His front wheels feature a working "steering" mechanism (which is not connected to the steering wheel, though), and all four wheels are equipped with [[rubber tires]]. In robot mode, Meister is sculpted to resemble both the original Generation 1 Jazz toy and the G1 [[character model|cartoon model]]. He is armed with a rifle that transforms from his muffler; the peg used to attach the muffler in vehicle mode actually plugs into the holes on his forearms near the elbow joints, allowing the blaster to be attached there.

: Takara's ''Binaltech'' version of this sculpt differs from Hasbro's ''Alternators'' version by having his car shell partially constructed of [[die-cast]] metal, as well as having all the car body parts (including those made out of plastic) covered in paint and the side mirrors [[vacuum metallizing|vacuum metalized]], while the steering wheel is made of hard plastic. By contrast, the ''Alternators'' version has the car shell made entirely out of plastic (in standard white compared to the ''Binaltech'' version's slightly more creamy shade), the side mirrors are unpainted, and the steering wheel is made of a rubber-y plastic. Furthermore, there are some tooling differences as well: Like [[Bluestreak (G1)/toys#Alternators/Binaltech|Streak/Silverstreak]] before, the ''Binaltech'' version's steering wheel is placed on the right side of the dashboard (like on a Japanese car), whereas it's located on the left side on the ''Alternators'' version (like on an American car). In addition, the ''Binaltech'' version's "steering" mechanism uses a magnet assembly to connect the steering axle to the front wheels (which are attached to the robot mode shoulders), whereas the ''Alternators'' version uses a plastic insertion point. The ''Binaltech'' version also comes with a large Autobot [[insignia]] sticker that can be applied to a real car.

: This toy was redecoed into the simultaneously available "Velocity Red Mica Edition" (see below), and later retooled into a Mazdaspeed RX-8 as [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#Alternators/Binaltech|Shockblast/Laserwave]], the [[Autorooper]], and later as Argent Meister (see below).

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Autobot/AltMeister/meister.htm More information on Alternators Jazz at TFU.info]''

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[[File:BTtoy velocity red meister.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Meister Velocity Red Mica Edition''' (Binaltech, 2004)
**''ID number:'' '''BT-08'''
**''Accessories:'' Muffler-blaster

: Simultaneous with his standard release, ''Binaltech'' Meister was also available in a red variant in its own unique packaging. The two figures shipped in cases together in an equal ratio. All of the regular version's white parts, both plastic and metal, are replaced with red, while the panels on the upper hips that are painted teal on the "white" version are painted silver. This version also includes the Autobot car sticker.

: Velocity Red Meister was [[repurposing|repurposed]] as the separate character [[Zoom-Zoom]] by the official ''Binaltech'' fiction.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Cybertron/Zoom-Zoom/zoom-zoom.htm More information on Velocity Red Meister/Zoom-Zoom at TFU.info]''

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[[File:BinaltechMayukoIwasaMeister.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|More embarrassing: the color scheme, or the fact model Iwasa was 17 at the time she designed it?]]
*'''MEISTER feat. MAZDA RX-8 ~'''MAYUKO IWASA''' Edition~''' (Binaltech, 2004)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''BT-08'''
**''Accessories:'' Muffler-blaster

:A one-of-a-kind pastel blue, pink, yellow, and indigo redeco of the Binaltech Meister toy, ~MAYUKO IWASA Edition~ Meister was designed and autographed by Japanese "[[wikipedia:gravure idol|gravure idol]]" [[Mayuko Iwasa]]. Yahoo!Japan Auctions listed the figure for auction starting [[September 19]]th 2004, with the auction ending on [[September 26]].<ref name="auction1">[http://web.archive.org/web/20040926033130/http://page9.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k7991073 Original auction] for "Mayuko Iwasa" Meister at Yahoo! Japan auctions, archived version.</ref> However, they relisted the figure on [[October 8]]th 2004 (seemingly due to an issue arising between the original buyer and the charity, going by its feedback<ref name="auctionfeed">[http://rating5.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/show/rating?userID=npo_actas_charity&u=npo_actas_charity&filter=&extra=&role=&apg=2 feedback rating Feedback] for original auction of "Mayuko Iwasa" Meister at Yahoo! Japan auctions, archived version.</ref>), and the auction finally finished on [[October 15]], 2004.<ref name="auction2">[http://web.archive.org/web/20041012014838/http://page9.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k8718622 Re-listing] for "Mayuko Iwasa" Meister at Yahoo! Japan auctions, archived version.</ref> The winner of the auction also received a signed photograph of Iwasa.

:All proceeds of the sale went to the Asian Children Orphaned by Traffic Accidents Support Association (ACTAS).<ref name="auctionnews">[http://tformers.com/transformers-bt-08-meister-mayuko-iwasa-edition-auction/3555/news.html TFormers news story] about the auction for "Mayuko Iwasa" Meister.</ref> In contrast to the placard in its public appearance at the "Binaltech BT-08 Meister / Mazda RX-8 Launch Event", the auction gave the designation of the toy as the "Original Coloring Transformer Binaltech BT-08 Meister feat. Mazda RX-8" (オリジナルカラーリングトランスフォーマー　バイナルテック　ＢＴ－０８　マイスターｆｅａｔ．マツダ　ＲＸ－８).

:To date, ~MAYUKO IWASA Edition~ Meister has never been seen in robot mode.

::*''[http://snakas.web.fc2.com/event/0409coredo.htm More images of ~MAYUKO IWASA~ Edition Meister at Autobase Aichi]''
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[[File:Binaltech ArgentMeister.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|What's crackin'?]]
*'''Argent Meister''' (Binaltech, 2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''BT-20'''
**''Accessories:'' Muffler-blaster

: One of the first releases of the short-lived (and final) revival of the ''Binaltech'' line, this version of Meister utilizes the "Mazdaspeed Version II" retooled RX-8 body introduced with [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#Alternators/Binaltech|Shockblast/Laserwave]], but using the original Meister head and left hand, rather than Shockblast's arm cannon. It is touted as a "Movie Version", somewhat resembling the look of the [[Movie (franchise)|live-action movie]] [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]], due to its silver paint job. The name is a pun on his Japanese function, "Agent Meister", and the Latin-derived word "argent" for "silver".

:Argent Meister was only released in Japan, with no direct ''Alternators'' counterpart.
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===Encore===
* '''Meister''' (Encore, Japan 2008)
**''ID number:'' '''08'''
**''Accessories:'' "[[Photon rifle]]", missile launcher, 3 missiles

: Another Takara reissue of the original 1984/1985 Jazz/Meister toy, following the success of the [[Transformers (film)|2007 Movie]].

: For the most part, the tooling is identical to the second production run of the 2002 ''Transformers Collection'' release, with the modified weapon from Hasbro's ''Commemorative Series'' release. The face uses the fixed mouth originally made for the ''Transformers Collection''/''Commemorative Series'' [[Ricochet (Headmasters)|Stepper/Ricochet]] reissue from 2004. The feet are still the narrowed ''Generation 2'' version.

: Other changes unique to this version include the replacement of many stickers (such as the Autobot [[insignia]] on the hood/chest and the "Meister" decals on the doors) with tampographed versions, retooled shoulder mounted flame thrower aligned 90 degree from the axis but unlike the previous iterations, is quite difficult to maintain mounted, and a [[show-accuracy|cartoon-accurate]] painted blue visor.

===Universe (2008)===
{{anchor|uni2008}}[[File:Universe2008 LegendsG1Jazz.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Slightly less tiny Jazz.]]
*'''Autobot Jazz''' (Legends Class, 2008)

:Legends class ''Universe'' Jazz, like the Legends class ''Universe'' [[Hound (G1)|Hound]], emulates Jazz's original toy rather than a modern vehicle re-imagination. Due to the budgetry limitation of Legends class toys, he features an altered transformation sequence and a limited number of [[paint operation]]s, which leave several car windows unpainted.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/LegendsUniJazz/jazz.htm More information on Universe 2008 Jazz at TFU.info]''
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===Transformers (2010)===
[[File:TF2010 deluxe SpecialOpsJazz.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|A Solstice with the 1984 robot mode and the 1989 rifle? Just gimme a skateboard and some nunchucks and I am the OMEGA JAZZ!]]
*'''Special Ops Jazz''' (Deluxe, 2010/2011)
**''Accessories:'' "Blaster," two speakers

: Part of the fifth wave of [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'']] Deluxe class toys, Special Ops Jazz transforms from robot into a "street rally" white sports car that looks like Jazz's original Porsche front-end wearing [[Jazz (Movie)|Pontiac Solstice]] headlights for a hat. Jazz has deployable speakers in both robot and vehicle mode,<ref>http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/conventions-15/botcon-2010-hasbro-designers-panel-170066/</ref> and his rifle is an update of his [[Classic Pretender]] weapon. The speakers can also combine with his rifle via clips to form a super rifle, or they can be used on any other clip-compatible ''Transformers'' toy. A theme noticed in a few of the updated G1 Transformers is the backwards compatibility with the original character's weapons. Jazz is able to wield his G1 toy's shoulder rocket launcher on his neck though sadly both his original toy's photon rifle and his Pretender figure's weapon are incompatible with the toy. As part of the first wave of the "[[Reveal the Shield]]" promotion, he sports a [[rubsign]].

: This mold was later redecoed into ''[[Transformers United|United]]'' [[Ricochet (Headmasters)#United 2|Stepper]], ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Longarm (SG)|Longarm]] and [[Stepper (SG)|Stepper]], and the mold's alternate head was used to make [[Treadshot (SG)|Treadshot]]. It was also retooled to make ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' [[Wheelie (G1)#Generations|Wheelie]] and ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'' [[Kick-Off (G1)#Timelines|Kick-Over]], and was ''intended'' to be retooled into ''Generations'' [[Nightbeat (G1)#Generations|Nightbeat]], who ended up as a retool of an [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Deluxe|entirely different sculpt]] instead.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/Jazz/jazz.htm More information on Reveal the Shield Jazz at TFU.info]''

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===United===
[[File:Unitedtoy-AutobotJazz.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|People are willing to pay more money for their Jazz to be whiter. ... wait, that doesn't sound right...]]
*'''Autobot Jazz''' (Deluxe, [[2011]]-[[January 29|01-29]])
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''UN-12'''
**''Accessories:'' "Handgun", two speakers

:Part of the second wave of ''[[Transformers United|United]]'' toys, this redeco of Special Ops Jazz is cast in brighter non-metallic glossy white plastic, uses darker blue and red paints, and has a painted grill, feet, shins, stomach, rear windows, taillights, and wheel rims. He also has an Autobot logo on the hood and no rubsign. Unlike the earlier variants of Special Ops Jazz, ''United'' Jazz's forearms are molded in white plastic. The toy's packaging names his combined speaker-gun a "[[sonic cannon]] mode".

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===Chronicle===
[[File:EZCollectionChronicleMeisterToy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Meister''' (EZ Collection, 2011)

:''[[Transformers Chronicle|Chronicle]]'' EZ Collection Meister is... a redeco ([[repaint]]?) of ''Universe'' [[Legends Class]] Jazz. His visor is silver and a slightly different Autobot sigil from the Hasbro release. Like other ''Chronicle'' Legends toys, he is sold in a blindpacked box.

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===Kre-O===
[[Image:KreO toy Jazz.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Mama says "[[Spock]] you Out".]]
* '''Autobot Jazz''' (2011)
**''Set number'': '''31146'''
**''Pieces'': '''122'''
**''Kreons'': Jazz, Race Driver
**''Accessories'': Pistol

: The Kre-O Jazz set is based primarily on Generation 1 Jazz in deco, with a head sculpt heavily based on ''Reveal the Shield'' [[#Transformers (2010)|Special Ops Jazz]]'s head, but with [[Live-action film series|Movie]] [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]]'s silver coloration. He transforms into a generic sports car that doesn't really look like either of Jazz's alternate modes, with opening doors and a flip-up roof. Sadly, neither of these features is actually useful for inserting a driver (the gap left by opening the roof is too small, and the sides are blocked by unfortunately-placed horizontal bars), but at least the thought was there.

: The included Jazz Kreon is based directly on his ''Generation 1'' self, with his characteristic coloration and deco, and "door wings." He also comes with a generic light gray gun used by some of the other Kreons that can resemble Jazz's [[photon rifle]] if you squint hard enough. The "Race Driver" Kreon wears a red and light gray racing suit and helmet, and also has a light gray baseball cap so he doesn't have to wear his helmet all the time. How thoughtful!

: This set shows signs of having been slightly redesigned late in production. Included among the pieces is a red seat which is not used in either mode; there is an obvious place where it "belongs" in the middle of the car's cabin, but it cannot actually fit there due to other parts interfering. (Interestingly enough, a certain other company's equivalent piece ''will'' fit, thanks to its slightly different design.) Similarly, there is a black sticker with "vent" detailing which the builder is never instructed to apply anywhere, though according to stock photography, it is intended for Jazz's abdomen/pelvis section. Later releases of the set didn't include the seat, but still retained the unused sticker.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/Kre-OJazz/jazz.htm More information on Kre-O Jazz at TFU.info]''

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[[File:KreO-Toy UltimateVehiclePack.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
* '''Ultimate Vehicle Pack''' (2012)
**''Set number'': '''A4583'''
**''Pieces'': '''279'''
**''Kreons'': Bluestreak, Sideswipe

:This [[Red Bucket|bucket]] contains unchanged versions of the Jazz (sans Kreons), [[Bumblebee (Kre-O)#74pc|Bumblebee]] and [[Optimus Prime (Kre-O)#90pc|Optimus Prime]] sets, as well as the [[Bluestreak (G1)/toys#Kre-O|Bluestreak]] and [[Sideswipe (G1)/toys#Kre-O|Sideswipe]] Kreons.

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* '''Kreon Figure Pack''' (2013)

: A boxed set of five Kreons, with [[Bumblebee (Kre-O)|Bumblebee]], [[Red Alert (G1)/toys#Kre-O|Red Alert]], [[Mirage (G1)/toys#Kre-O|Mirage]], Jazz and a fifth "mystery" Kreon; a randomly-packed robot Kreon from the first year of the line. There are no notable differences between these Kreons and the versions packed in with larger sets.

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[[File:kre-o_jazz_custom_kreon.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|As close to the Movieverse Kreon Jazz as we're ever going to get.]]
*'''Autobot Jazz''' (Custom Kreon, 2014)
**''Set number'': '''A7318'''
**''Pieces'': '''43'''
**''Accessories'': Rack, twin cannons, sword, blaster, rifle, baton

: Part of the second wave of custom Kreons, Jazz comes with a buildable rack to store his customizable parts. His torso, arms, waist and legs have a metal-flake sheen, plus his [[tampograph]]s are more detailed than the ones on his original figure. His "normal" helmet and pistol (originally a Klingon disruptor from ''Kre-O [[Star Trek]]'') are chromed, plus he comes with transparent legs, torso and helmet. He also has a pair of extra arms (originally from the ''Kre-O Battleship'' aliens), a buildable backpack, buildable rifle, baton, sword, and the [[Wheeljack (Kre-O)|Wheeljack]] wimi-wing backpack.

:Though widely solicited, this wave of Custom Kreons ultimately never saw release outside of Chinese-market distribution circles.

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*'''Kreon Class of 1984''' (Kreon figure set, 2014)

: This version of Jazz, voted "Most Rad" by the [[Kreon Class of 1984]], has much more toy-based [[tampograph]]s than his prior version.

:He was only available in a pack of 30 Kreons dubbed "Class of 1984". This set was made for sale at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2014. Remaining stock was meant to be sold at [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] online, except the set sold out at the show.

===Generations===
[[File:Generationstoy-Jazz.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Autobot Jazz''' (Deluxe, 2012)
**''Series / Number:'' '''01 / #002'''
**''Accessories:'' Blaster pistol

{{note|This toy was [[repurposing|repurposed]] as Generation 1 Jazz in [[IDW Publishing]]'s ''[[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|Robots in Disguise]]'' comics and as ''[[Transformers Cloud|Cloud]]'' Jazz.}}

: Part of the first wave of [[2012]] ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' Deluxe Class toys, ''[[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|Fall of Cybertron]]'' "[[Jazz (WFC)|Autobot Jazz]]" transforms into a Cybertronian racer. His blaster pistol has a [[C joint|3mm hole]] running through it, and can mount via [[5mm post]] onto his roof, forearms/rear vehicle side, and hands.

:In robot mode, he features a case of [[Kibble#"Faux-parts"|faux parts]]: The centers of his feet are fake wheels (attached to the legs via [[Ratchet (mechanism)|ratchet joints]]) that are hidden in the rear section of his vehicle mode, while his real vehicle mode wheels end up on his forearms and on the sides of his chest (partially obscured by panels).

:A [[Variant#Colors and deco|running change variant]] of Jazz exists in the fourth wave, wherein his white plastic is darker and his translucent visor is cast in light blue instead of the previous extremely dark blue, allowing the light piping to work properly. The [[TakaraTomy]] release features an extensive paint job, with his white plastic being coated in grayish off-white paint, along with numerous additional details.

:This toy was redecoed/retooled into ''Fall of Cybertron'' [[Sideswipe (WFC)|Sideswipe]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Autobot/GenJazz/jazz.htm More information on ''War for Cybertron'' Jazz at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Generationstoy-G2Jazz.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|We've gotten new toys of all the kinds of Jazz except the elusive "Utah" variant.]]
*'''Ultimate Gift Set''' (2012)
**''Accessories:'' "Blaster," two speakers

:This release of Jazz comes in a colorful deco in the festive spirit of the ''Generation 2'' [[#Generation 2|release]] of the original Jazz toy. He comes packed with Deluxe Class [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#UltimateGiftSet|Combat Hero Optimus Prime]], as well as unchanged releases of ''Generations'' Legends Class [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#UltimateGiftSet|Thundercracker]] and [[Motormaster (G1)#UltimateGiftSet|Motorbreath]].

:His back-of-the-[[Packaging|box]] [[stock photography]] depicts his blaster as white, yet the final product casts it in black plastic.

:The Ultimate Gift Set is exclusive to online retailers in the United States, but is available at general retail in Asia.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Autobot/GenUGSJazz/jazz.htm More information on Ultimate Gift Set Jazz at TFU.info]''
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====Power of the Primes====
[[File:PowerOfThePrimestoy-Jazz.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Still a Martini, still a Porsche, all the more chill. ]]
*'''Autobot Jazz''' (Deluxe Class, [[2017]])
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''PP-07'''
**''Accessories'': Blaster, Prime Armor/combiner hand, Prime Master gap filler/gun
:Transforming into a Le Mans-like racing car [[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes|subtly inspired by a Porsche 962]], the ''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' version of Jazz is a mostly new mold that reuses the wheels and combiner peg of ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' [[Drag Strip (G1)#Generations|Dragstrip]]. Jazz can form a limb for any ''Combiner Wars''-style combiner. Fans wanting to open this figure should take note that almost all of the roof, hood, and front grill of the figure is simply clear plastic painted over, so be careful to avoid scratching or chipping these areas.

:Like all other ''Power of the Primes'' Deluxe Class figures, he comes with Prime Armor with a place for a [[Prime Master]] (and by extension, a [[Titan Master]], [[Enigma of Combination]], and [[Matrix|Matrix core]]) that can transform into a hand for a combiner. He also comes with a piece that can fill the gap in the chest armor or be held as a gun. Also like the other Deluxe Class figures, the instructions explaining how exactly the armor connects is extremely vague. To connect the armor, the grill portion of Jazz's chest has two indents that fit the tabs on the "thumbs" when inserted at a slight angle. While this matches up to both the instructions and the packaging art, it should be noted that the connection is rather loose. Curiously, Jazz's engineering includes wrist swivels, but the panels molded underneath his forearms renders them largely worthless. On another note, his Prime Armor was redecoed for [[Moonracer (G1)#Generations|Moonracer]].

:Curiously, the roof and upper section of his hood both sport the iconic Martini racing stripes that were also present in the original Generation 1 figure. [[Copyright|Hopefully, nothing will go wrong.]]

:In November of 2017, ''Power of the Primes'' Jazz became the center of a minor controversy when it was discovered that the figure's deco included the acronym "[[President of the United States|MAGA]]" in tiny [[Cybertronix]] text underneath Jazz's Autobot insignia ([[w:Donald_Trump presidential campaign, 2016|which, for those of you who have been living under a rock for the past two years...]]). When reached for questioning, Hasbro responded that they had not sanctioned the political message and would address the issue with the vendor (corporate language for "freelance artist") responsible. <ref>[https://io9.gizmodo.com/uh-is-this-transformers-toy-a-trump-supporter-1820555691 Uh, Is This Transformers Toy a Trump Supporter?] </ref>

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===Bot Shots===
[[Image:Bot Shots Jazz.jpg|thumb|300px]]
*'''Jazz''' (Bot Shot, 2012)
**''Series'': '''1'''
**''Number'': '''B014'''
***''Fist strength'': '''555'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''370'''
***''Sword strength'': '''695'''

:Jazz is part of the fourth wave of ''[[Bot Shots (toyline)|Bot Shots]]'', transforming from a blue and white sports car with "4" decals into a [[super deformed]] robot when his front bumper is pressed. His head is heavily based on [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]]'s head. This mold was also used for [[Drag Strip (G1)|Bot Shots Dragstrip]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Autobot/BSJazz/jazz.htm More information on Jazz at TFU.info]''

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[[File:BotShots 3pack Jazz.jpg|thumb|right|300px]]
*'''Cindersaur / Optimus Prime / Jazz''' (Multi-pack, 2013)
**''Series'': '''2'''
**''Number'': '''Super Bot 008'''
***''Fist strength'': '''849'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''?'''
***''Sword strength'': '''262'''

:Part of the second wave of three-packs in Series 2, Super Bot Jazz is a redeco of the original Bot Shots Jazz mold in translucent white with blue wheels.

:The second wave of Series 2 three-packs didn't reach mass retail in the United States, only showing up in discount stores like Ross.

===BeCool===
[[Image:BeCool GreenSportsCar.jpg|thumb|300px]]
*'''Green Sports Car (Autobot Jazz)''' (2013)
**''ID number'': '''B14'''

:''[[Bot Shots (toyline)#BeCool|BeCool]]'' "Green Sports Car" is a bright green redeco of ''Bot Shots'' Jazz with orange wheels, retaining the same blue stripes and "4" [[paint operation]]s. Instead of game stats, his chest stickers display images of his vehicle mode, a car's dashboard and a racing track.

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===Q-Transformers===
[[File:QTransformers Meister.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|'''DEJA VU!''' He's running in the 90s!]]
*'''Autobot Meister''' ([[February 21|2-21]]-2015)
**''ID number:'' '''QT-11'''

:''[[Q-Transformers]]'' Meister transforms from a [[super deformed]] Toyota Sprinter Trueno AE86 to a cute little robot. He comes with a code for unlocking Jazz as a playable character in the ''[[Q-Transformers: Mystery of Convoy Returns (mobile game)|Q-Transformers: Mystery of Convoy Returns]]'' game.

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==Merchandise==
===Stamp Bot===
{{anchor|Stamp Bot}}
*'''Jazz''' (Stamp Bot, 1984)
:Made by HG Toys, Stamp Bot Jazz is a small, non-poseable figurine of Jazz based on his toy with a rubber stamp on the base, and a cap with a felt "floor" that was soaked in ink. The stamp made an image of Jazz's sports car mode.

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===Transformers Milk Caramel===
[[File:TFCaramel jazz.jpg|thumb|Nobody calls me yellow.]]
*'''Meister''' (1985)
:A soft rubber figurine—known in Japan as a ''keshigomu''— of Jazz was released as part of the second wave of [[Kabaya]]'s ''[[Transformers Milk Caramel]]'' [[candy toy]] range. He came packaged with chocolate-covered caramel candies, and was available in red, blue, and yellow.

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===Decoy===
{{anchor|Decoy}}[[File:Jazz decoy.jpg|thumb]]
*'''Cybertron Hero Collection 22''' (multi-pack, 1986)
:Jazz was among the many characters rendered by [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] as part of their series of 1.5" ''keshigomu'' figurines. Like all the Autobots in the series, Jazz was molded in soft red rubber, and featured a number sculpted into his back that was the sum total of his [[Tech Spec]]s, for use in the various games that could be played with the figurines. Jazz was available as part of a 22-piece box set of Autobot figures, and later, in a peach coloration randomly packed as part of various other box sets.

*'''Jazz''' (1987)
**''Decoy number:'' '''13'''
:The figurine was later brought over to [[Hasbro]] markets as part of the [[Decoy]] promotion, largely identical to the Japanese release except for the fact that the number on his back was replaced with a simple "checklist" number. Like all Autobot Decoys, Jazz was a randomly-chosen pack-in available with the carded [[Throttlebot]]s, [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]], [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]], and [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Autobot/Decoys/Jazz/jazz.htm More information on Decoy Jazz at TFU.info]''
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===Super Collection Figure===
[[File:HOC Jazz.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]
*'''Meister''' (Super Collection Figure. 2002)

:''[[Super Collection Figure]]'' Meister is a PVC figurine based on the cartoon rendition of Jazz. He was released as a regular coloured figure in Act 8 of the SCF line in August 2002,

===Heroes of Cybertron===
*'''Autobot Jazz''' (Heroes of Cybertron, 2003)

:The Hasbro version of the SCF Meister figure in the ''[[Super Collection Figure|Heroes of Cybertron]]'' was cast in blue plastic which was then almost completely painted, leaving the eyes and the back of the head unpainted to take advantage of a [[light-piping]] gimmick. Jazz was released in Wave 4 of the line, and came with the left leg needed to build [[Fortress Maximus (G1)#Heroes of Cybertron|Fortress Maximus]].

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===Generation 1 Figure-Collection===
[[File:Bottlecap jazz.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]

*'''Meister''' (2003)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-3'''
**''Accessories:'' Display base

:At only one inch in height, this Jazz "bottlecap" figurine (so named because its display base is the size of a bottlecap) was one of fourteen blindpacked figures available in Kabaya's Transformers [[Generation 1 Figure-Collection]]. The figure was rendered in a "retro" black and white color scheme, and came with a leaflet, personalized with cartoon screen captures.
::*''[http://snakas.web.fc2.com/misc_item/kabaya_bottle.htm More information on the Generation 1 collection at Autobase Aichi]''
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===Hard Hero===
[[File:HardHero Jazz bust.JPG|thumb|upright=1.1|Shares the same fate as his movie counterpart.]]
*'''Jazz''' (2004)

:Jazz is number 12 in [[Hard Hero]]'s series of cold-cast porcelain ''Transformers'' busts, measuring six inches in height and sculpted holding his photon rifle in his right hand. Jazz was limited to 2500 pieces worldwide, with an additional 100 being specially signed by sculptor [[Jason Ray]].

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===Titanium Series===
[[File:Titanium RM Jazz.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Won't you take me to Funkytown?]]
*'''Autobot Jazz''' (Robot Masters, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Muffler-blaster, Autobot display stand

:Titanium Jazz is a small, 3" non-transformable die-cast metal figurine based upon his ''Alternators'' design, but with a little bit of his "traditional" deco thrown into the mix. He has articulation in his waist, shoulders, and head.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/TitJazz/jazz.htm More information on ''Titanium Series'' Jazz at TFU.info]''

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===Attacktix===
[[File:Jazz-atx.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|#1 Super Guy!]]
*'''Autobot Jazz''' (Booster, <s>2007</s>)

:Jazz was one of many Generation 1 characters slated to appear in ''[[Attacktix]]''. A presumed wave-3 Booster, this piece was ultimately never released, but was shown at the ''Star Wars Celebration IV'' convention.

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===Robot Heroes===
[[File:Robotheroesjazzthundercracker.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Do the Hustle!]]
*'''Autobot Jazz and Thundercracker''' (2007)

:''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]'' Jazz is an adorable, [[super deformed]] figurine of Jazz, with limited articulation in his arms, but no head movement. He came packaged with [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys|Thundercracker]].

:This figurine was [[redeco]]ed into [[Ricochet (Headmasters)|Ricochet]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/RHG1Jazz/jazz.htm More information on ''Robot Heroes'' Jazz at TFU.info]''

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===Boss Coffee===
*'''Meister''' (2008)

:A non-transforming PVC figure of Jazz was released as part of a promotion by [[Boss Coffee]]. The small figure was randomly included with single cans of the company's "Rainbow Mountain Blend" coffee, contained in a plastic capsule affixed to the top of can which then became a display base for the figurine once removed. Jazz features articulation at the shoulders and waist, and came with a small catalog leaflet that could be folded up and attached to the lid/base to form a diorama background for added display value.
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===Transformers - Mini Bust===
[[File:Jazz statue.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|One cold cast cat.]]
* '''Jazz''' (Diamond Select, 2008)

: Jazz was released by [[Diamond Select Toys]] in 2008 and exclusive to online retailer Big Bad Toy Store. He was sculpted by [[Mark Wong]] of [[Art Asylum]] and limited to 1000 pieces. The bust features both his photon rifle and shoulder-mounted rocket launcher, which, along with the car door pieces, are attached magnetically and are optional for display.

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===Mighty Muggs===
[[File:MightyMuggs Jazz.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]
*'''Jazz''' (2009)
**''Accessories:'' Photon rifle, doors

: Part of the third wave of [[Mighty Muggs]], Jazz is a [[super deformed]], non-transformable PVC figure with articulated arms and head. He is made largely using the standard Mighty Muggs body mold, with the exception of the head, which uses the same "horn" mold as [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys|Bumblebee]]. Jazz comes with a super-deformed photon rifle and a pair of car doors that attach to his back.

: Jazz and his wavemate [[Shockwave (G1)/toys|Shockwave]] were initially reported to be canceled, but were eventually released as exclusives at Diamond Distributors and [[Toys"R"Us]] stores.

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===Tiny Titans===
*'''Autobot Jazz''' (Tiny Titans, 2015)
**''Series'': '''2'''
**''Number: '''12/12'''

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2015/Autobot/TTJazz/jazz.htm More information on ''Tiny Titans'' Jazz at TFU.info]''
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===Q-Transformers===
[[File:QTransformers Gacha Meister.jpg|thumb|]]
*'''Meister''' (2016)

:A non-transforming figure of Jazz based on his appearance in the ''[[Q-Transformers: Mystery of Convoy Returns (cartoon)|Q-Transformers: Mystery of Convoy Returns]]'' cartoon was available as part of the ''Q-Transformers'' [[w:gashapon|capsule toy]] lineup.

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===Transformers Figure Collection===
[[File:TF-Transformers-Figure-Collection-Jazz-Decoy.jpg|thumb]]
*'''Meister''' (01-2016)

:Standing 42mm tall, ''Transformers Figure Collection'' Meister is a non-poseable soft-rubber figure greatly based on a [[Decoy]] figure.

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===Bitfig===
[[File:Bitfig-Part-1.jpg|thumb|]]
*'''Meister''' (12-2016)
Part of the first wave of Transformers Bitfig capsule toys.
Meister's design is inspired by his appearance in the G1 cartoon, and is articulated at the neck and shoulders.
Bitfig toys were packaged in capsules color coded to the toy they contained.

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==Notes==
[[File:PorscheMiniSubaru.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
* The first toy planned for the ''[[Transformers: Alternators|Alternators]]'' line was Jazz as a Porsche 986. A prototype was made, but Porsche refused to grant Hasbro and Takara the license, stating that "Transformers are not worthy [of] carrying the Porsche trademark. They are war machines, and the toyline in no way represents the lifestyle and ideas which Porsche represents."<ref>[http://www.tfarchive.com/community/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24622 Former Porsche employee Addl recounting an informal inquiry with Porsche's licensing department at TF Archive]</ref> As a consequence, the toy ultimately never went into production. Photos of the prototype were depicted in the Japanese book ''[[The Transformers: Binaltech & TF Collection Complete Guide]]'', and Hasbro later also displayed the prototype during the [[BotCon 2007]] Hasbro Tour.
* The ''[[Transformers: Alternators|Alternators]]'' Mazda RX-8 (which ultimately ended up as Meister) was originally intended to be named "[[Camshaft (G1)|Camshaft]]", according to various early store listings and a premature reply from Hasbro's customer service. This would also fit with the early idea of making the Alternators toys "direct updates" of their characters' G1 predecessors. A prototype was leaked to the public in early 2004 sporting the same basic colors as the later ''Alternators'' "Autobot Camshaft" toy (the Acura RSX), although it's uncertain whether the prototype colors for the RX-8 were supposed to be indicative of the proposed colors for Camshaft (since the Acura redeco was originally intended as a G1 Bluestreak [[homage]] before being renamed into "Autobot Camshaft"). The reason why the RX-8 Alternator was ultimately not named "Camshaft" was apparently because the real-life Mazda RX-8 car doesn't ''have'' a camshaft. The irony is staggering, as Camshaft's original toy was an RX-7, which ALSO lacks a camshaft.
* There have been at least two different reasons stated why the Hasbro toy was named "Meister" rather than "Autobot Jazz": For one, Hasbro was still hoping that Porsche would have a change of mind and grant them the license after all, as Chevrolet had done; also, Aaron Archer has been quoted stating that he thought a third toy named "Autobot someone" following "[[Hound (G1)|Autobot Hound]]" and "[[Tracks (G1)|Autobot Tracks]]" would have been somewhat "redundant".

==References==
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[[Category:Action Masters]]
[[Category:Alternators Autobots]]
[[Category:Attacktix]]
[[Category:Bot Shots Autobots]]
[[Category:Combiners]]
[[Category:Decoys]]
[[Category:E-Hobby]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Autobots]]
[[Category:Generation 2 Autobots]]
[[Category:Generations]]
[[Category:Kmart exclusives]]
[[Category:Kre-O Autobots]]
[[Category:Kreons]]
[[Category:MyClone]]
[[Category:Power of the Primes]]
[[Category:Pretenders]]
[[Category:Q-Transformers characters]]
[[Category:Repurposed toys]]
[[Category:Robot Heroes]]
[[Category:Spy Changers]]
[[Category:Titanium Series]]
[[Category:Toys "R" Us exclusives]]
[[Category:Transformers (2010) Autobots]]
[[Category:United Autobots]]
[[Category:Universe (2008)]]
[[Category:Universe Autobots]]
[[Category:Bitfig]]

Talk:Omega Supreme (G1)

2015-05-04T10:18:38Z

Argus: /* Statue "in scale with G1 toys"? */

==Trivia==
What's the source on the "Fortress Maximus" bit? I only know of that being applied to Metroplex early on, not Omega Supreme. Not that it's beyond possibility, of course.

I think the Omega Spreem bit my need some rewording as well.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 18:15, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

'strue. Hasbro was really, really desperate to use the name Fortress Maximus on something, and Omega was their first choice. That didn't go through for some reason or another, so they opted for Metroplex. Metro ALSO didn't get the name, but the REAL Fort Max did. This is based off a thread on The Allspark dealing with character origins, so I can't really cite a source.

And yeah, the Omega Spreem should be reworded, but I have no idea as to how.--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 20:54, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't we take the Fort Max thing with a mountain of salt? I know Metroplex and Omega are confused all the time... each name conjures up memories of the other robot to anyone who doesn't fully remember the situation. And as god-like as Bob is, he's fallible and not nearly as big a fan as we all are (I don't see him posting here, afterall). It is WAY more likely that Bob was thinking of Metroplex and screwed that one up. What are we going to do when these guys who were involved with the creation of the Transformers start to get really old and tell us that originally, Chip Chase was to be revealed to have a cheese sandwich mode that took over as the supreme commander of all the Battle Chargers? Are we still going to take their word as gospel?
:No, because it's not just Bob. Omega is also intermittently named "Fortress Maximus" in the 1985 [http://tfarchive.com/cartoons/bible/ series bible]. And while the external link in is currently down, once it goes back up, I imagine that you'll find that it leads to a photograph of an original document page that was shown on the projector screen at the panel that uses the Fort Max name, not just an idle recollection of Bob's. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 04:52, 20 August 2011 (EDT)

Well then, good enough for me :) Okay, so quick question then... in Golden Lagoon when Beachcomber says "Great Maximus!", is this a nod to Metroplex now? Omega is already named in the episode, and the real Fort Max is years away from release.

== arms ==

on this page it says that his torso transforms into a tank, his legs and back pack turn into a rocket base and his arms turn into a rocket yet in one episode his rocket lands and the autobots get out and then the rocket transforms into all of omega supreme with no visible unarmed (couldn't resist that pun) robot or tank and rocket base flying to him, explanations? [[User:80.42.113.93|80.42.113.93]] 19:43, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
:Animators rarely followed the actual toy's transformation. There's your explanation. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:26, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
::A wizard did it. -[[User:FFN|FFN]]

actually i just remembered an episode where he flies off somewhere with the autobots inside and when he transforms back to robot mode for a second you see the tank, base and rocket all there[[User:81.108.233.59|81.108.233.59]] 18:08, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

== Supreme/Spreem ==

While the two versions of the name would indeed be identical in katakana, how is that relevant to a misspelling for a Euro/Australian-release item?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:42, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
:I suppose it depends on who was translating it. If they were a native English speaker, that explanation would seem unlikely. However, if it was translated in Japan by someone who got a C in highschool English, it could definitely happen because of the identical katakana. This is all the opinion of a guy who does not speak or read any Japanese, of course. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:34, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
::I think this trivia note would make a lot more sense (and could be phrased mess awkwardly) if we actually ''had'' the katakana to point to.
::Like... ''"Omega Supreme" and "Omega Spreem" can both be written as ミチヤメノテヒフナナ in Japanese, which is believed to be the source of this error... somehow.''
::Note: that is ''not'' the katakana rendering of Omega Supreme's name, I just grabbed some lorem ipsum as an example. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:47, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
:::FWIW, the relevant kana are オメガスプリーム. However, this still misses my point: The "Omega Spreem" spelling did NOT occur on a Japanese-market product, but on a Euro/Australian-market product. The fact that a Japanese person would be more likely to make that spelling change seems to me to be irrelevant, since there's nothing indicating that a Japanese person had anything to do with setting up the text copy on the packaging.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 23:22, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
:::: Spreems name is a translation from english to japanese and back again originating from the design phase for these toys with Takara. This is also why Doublepunch is essentially Black Zarak, a japanese only release.
[[User:Argus|Argus]] ([[User talk:Argus|talk]]) 09:44, 1 May 2014 (EDT)

== First with batteries? ==

Was Omega Supreme the first Transformers toy to require batteries? (Ignoring the pre-TF Blaster, of course.) [[User:JW|JW]] 15:16, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:If he showed up in stores before Shockwave (another 1985 figure), then yes. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

== Toybox info ==

Found this discussion http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/japanese-hobby-magazine-scans-for-january-2008-164116/ Interesting summary of an interview with Junichi Ishikawa. Not sure how to cite this for inclusion. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:14, 22 December 2009 (EST)

== French release ==

Recently, I managed to pick up an Omega Supreme (with the box) in France at flea market-like sale. There are a few things I believe worth mentioning, like :
1-it was released by a separate company from the ones mentioned in the Europe G1 Toyline page
2-nowhere on the box is the Transformers line mentioned/referenced, yet the package art features an Autobot logo (though there may not have been a sticker for it in the box ; box was already open and worn out). However, the logo on top of the box is written in the style of the G1 logo.
3- there is a sheet showing the various pieces in the box and displaying a short story ... with, again, no reference whatsoever to the Transformers.

Where should I put this info (in the event it's deemed worth putting on the Wiki) ? Thanks in advance. [[User:HunterCham|HunterCham]] 07:09, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

Small update on this : found a (French, of course) TV ad for this variant : http://www.ina.fr/pub/culture-et-loisirs/video/PUB3784054071/robotrack-orli-jouets-jeu.fr.html
The Transformers series is not mentioned, but from sound to video footage ... it's all taken from the US ad. That's getting ... weird. [[User:HunterCham|HunterCham]] 16:11, 20 June 2010 (EDT)
:Even the Robotrack font is from the Transformers logo font! --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:56, 20 June 2010 (EDT)
::Seems like it could be a [[Trasformer]] type deal, where they used the toys, but avoided Hasbro trademarks. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:13, 20 June 2010 (EDT)
::: Trasformer as a line was fully licensed in every incarnation. First from Takara later from Hasbro. Omega has been released in a number of country's outside of the TF line proper as it was a separate license similar to official cousins of Shockwave being out there. [[User:Argus|Argus]] ([[User talk:Argus|talk]]) 09:42, 1 May 2014 (EDT)

==Platinum Series==
Is it safe to say that Platinum Series Omega Supreme is his G1 incarnation, based upon the fact that the similar-in-purpouse Amazon-exclusive Unicron is blatantly his G1 incarnation as well? [[Special:Contributions/86.185.112.239|86.185.112.239]] 07:08, 13 October 2012 (EDT) (sorry, I forgot my password for my account. I'll make a new one soon.)
:It's far from definitive, but I'd say that big spinny claw-hand marks him as the WfC version. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:49, 13 October 2012 (EDT)
:Yeah, the claw-hand, is an ''exact'' match for the WfC model. It's harder to tell, but I think the head is from WfC too. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 10:11, 13 October 2012 (EDT)

==Statue "in scale with G1 toys"?==
In regards to the the statue under Merchandise

"Omega Supreme was released as a statue in 2008 by Diamond Select Toys. He was sculpted by Mark Wong of Art Asylum and limited to 1,000 pieces. He's in scale with G1 toys."

I'm really baffled as to what that last line implies.
There certainly isn't a consistent scale between the vehicle modes of the G1 toys overall, and they don't really match up with the character's relative heights in the comics or cartoon either. It might mean something if he was "in scale with Alternator Toys" I suppose, but how would you even tell with Omega? It's not like he really has a standard size or a real vehicle to compare to. Is it just trying to say the statue is pretty big?

Unless I'm missing something, apologies if I am, that line should either be removed or clarified.

[[User:Soundwarp SG-1|Soundwarp SG-1]] 00:00, 5 May 2013 (EDT)
:Yeah, that really isn't true and should have been removed years ago. I've corrected that oversight. Thank you for bringing it up. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 01:07, 5 May 2013 (EDT)
::It really is true. He is the same size as his g1 toy and this in scale with the G1 toyline line as a much nicer version of Omega of the same size as the original toy. This should be returned but maybe clarified? I'm not sure how it can be misinterpreted but it seems it's easy enough to do. [[User:Argus|Argus]] ([[User talk:Argus|talk]]) 09:41, 1 May 2014 (EDT)
:::Saying he's the same size as his original toy is not the same as saying he is in scale with G1 toys. Scale has to do with how the size of the toy relates to the size of the real object. There really was no scale during G1. For example, Optimus Prime and Huffer should be roughly the same size as their vehicle modes are virtually identical but the toys are far different in size. Your contention that it is "a much nicer version" is a matter of opinion, as many fans would take any actual transforming toy over any statue (no matter how pretty). Finally, is it really that interesting that this statue is the same size as his original toy? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 14:12, 1 May 2014 (EDT)
:::: Well saying he's the same size as the original and therefore in scale with the G1 toys is ehh really the same? This has nothing to do with the scale at which the toys relate to any real life object. If such an object even exists.
Me regarding it as better is indeed subjective. Hence it being typed here and not in the article.
[[User:Argus|Argus]] ([[User talk:Argus|talk]]) 06:18, 4 May 2015 (EDT)

Talk:Classics (Europe)

2015-05-04T10:14:32Z

Argus: /* "Australian exclusives" */

== "Australian exclusives" ==

I think I read somewhere that they came from the same production run as the [[Generation 1 (Chinese toyline)|Chinese G1 toys]], just without the Chinese sticker.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 12:35, 8 January 2011 (EST)

If we include these australian releases should we not include the european releases not in gold packaging in these years as well? Stuff like the greener Gig Devastator giftset with chinese copyrights and many other such as the dinobots come to mind?
[[User:Argus|Argus]] ([[User talk:Argus|talk]]) 06:14, 4 May 2015 (EDT)

Grimlock (AOE)

2014-06-23T14:10:31Z

Argus: /* Flip & Change */

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:''Grimlock is a [[Dinobot (AOE)|Dinobot]] from the [[Transformers: Age of Extinction (franchise)|Age of Extinction]] portion of the [[live-action film series]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:AOEOptimusRidingGrimlock.jpg|thumb|right|500px| Me Grimlock no Yoshi! Me Grimlock KING!]]
'''Grimlock''' is a [[Dinobot (AOE)|Dinobot]] with a rather rough n' tough attitude. One of the most powerful warriors alive, his general approach to a problem is to smash it first, worry about the specifics later. This attitudes extends to his [[Autobot]] [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|companions]], who are expected to meet Grimlock's standard of strength. That said, the Autobots have a lot less to fear from this behemoth than the [[Decepticon]]s.

==Fiction==
===''How to Ride your Dinobot'' cartoon===
Grimlock found himself being the guinea pig for [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus']] Dinobot-riding lessons. To his irritation, Optimus rudely beckoned him to move forward, and was thus thrown into a barn. Optimus' mood did not improve much, but Grimlock's did, as it was now time for him to ride Optimus. The Autobot leader proved a much more compliant steed, to Grimlock's joy.

{{storylink|How to Ride}}

===''Age of Extinction'' film===
{{comingsoon|when=June 27, 2014}}
{{storylink|Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark''===
{{comingsoon}}
{{storylink|Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark}}

==Toys==
===Age of Extinction===
====Robots in Disguise====
=====Flip & Change=====
[[Image:AoE flip and change Grimlock.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Optimus Prime's gonna have a hard time trying to mount on Grimlock.]]
*'''Grimlock''' (Flip & Change, 2014)

:Part of the first wave of Flip & Change toys, Grimlock transforms into a robotic horned Tyrannosaurus by way of an [[autotransformation]] gimmick, triggered by holding his tail parts and flipping him over and over himself. The toy was inadvertently sold by some [[Walmart]]s before the official May 17th street date for ''Age of Extinction'' merchandise.
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=====One Step Changers=====
[[Image:AoE 1-step Grimlock.jpg|right|300px|thumb]]
*'''Grimlock''' (One Step Changers, 2014)
:One-Step Changer Grimlock features a one-step autotransformation in both directions from robot to dinosaur, triggered by folding his robot shoulders/dinosaur thighs.
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[[Image:AoE stomp and chomp Grimlock.jpg|right|300px|thumb]]
*'''Electronic Stomp & Chomp Grimlock''' (One Step Changers, 2014)
:Stomp & Chomp Grimlock is a 22" tall figure designed as a centerpiece for the One-Step Changer line, featuring light and sound effects and a one-step autotransformation performed by folding him at the waist. A One-Step Changer, Power Battler, or the included non-transforming Optimus Prime figure can ride him in dinosaur mode, and the toy is able to detect if said rider is Autobot or Decepticon and change its electronics effects accordingly.
{{comingsoontoy}}
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=====Dino Sparkers=====
[[Image:AoE dino sparker Optimus and Grimlock.jpg|thumb|right|The unexpected return of the [[Beast Rider]]s!|300px]]
*'''Optimus Prime & Grimlock''' (Dino Sparkers, 2014)
:Dino Sparker Grimlock is a static figure cast in translucent plastic, and features a sparking pull-back-and-go motor and a Optimus Prime rider figure.
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=====Titan Guardians=====
*'''Grimlock''' (Titan Guardians, 2014)
:Titan Guardian Grimlock is a 16" tall non-transforming action figure with five points of articulation. He includes a spiked club weapon.
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====Generations====
=====Voyager Class toys=====
[[File:AOEVoyagerGrimlock.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|So I picked [[Grimlock (WFC)#Generations|skinny legs]]... you wanna question that decision in front of my face? Thought so. ''(Hasbro version pictured)'']]
[[File:Lost Age AD-03 Grimlock.jpg|upright=1.66|right|thumb|''(TakaraTomy version pictured)'']]
*'''Grimlock''' (Voyager, 2014)
**''Series / Number:'' '''M4 / #002'''
**''Japanese ID number'': '''AD03'''
**''Japanese release date:'' '''[[May 17|5-17-]][[2014|14]]'''
**''Accessories:'' Two-piece spiked maul

:Part of the first wave of ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (toyline)|Age of Extinction:]] [[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' Voyager Class toys, Grimlock transforms into a silver and bronze Tyrannosaurus with [[Articulation|articulated]] horns, and a button-activated, spring-loaded chomping jaw. He comes with a spiked maul that he can ''sorta'' wield via the smaller [[5mm post|5mm handle]] at the top of its haft. The maul's head and handle are two separate pieces, and the weapon can slide onto to his tail to store in dino mode... as a ''really'' long tail extension. Yeah...

:The TakaraTomy version, part of the first wave of ''Lost Age: Movie Advanced'' toys, lacks the silver paint on his dinosaur head, features additional paint on his robot face and legs, and has red dinosaur eyes.
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=====Leader Class toys=====
[[File:Aoeleadergimlocktoy.jpg|right|thumb|400px|He tore that mace out of a [[Windrazor (Prime)#Beast Hunters|(now-dead) dragon]]'s hands. ''(Hasbro version pictured)'']]
[[File:Lost Age AD-20 Grimlock.jpg|right|thumb|400px|"...I've had worse." ''(Takara version pictured)'']]
*'''Grimlock''' (Leader, 2014)
**''Series / Number:'' '''M4 / #002'''
**''Japanese ID number'': '''AD20'''
**''Japanese release date:'' '''[[July 19|7-19-]]14'''
**''Accessories:'' "Dragontooth Mace", shield

:Part of the first wave of ''Age of Extinction: Generations'' Leader Class toys, this version of Grimlock transforms into an oddly-elongated, [[Vacuum metallizing|chromed out]], black-and-bronze Tyrannosaurus with an articulated jaw, and ''tiny'' vestigial arms. A large section of his dino mode rear detaches and splits into two accessories: a spiked mace-like weapon formed out of his rather short, pointy tail, which he can wield ''normally'' via 5mm post, as well as a spiky, sawbladed shield formed from the dino mode's hip armor, which can slot onto the dino feet on his forearms.

:He features chrome on several pegs, tabs, slots, and holes, all of which have a nasty tendency to flake.

:The TakaraTomy version is dubbed '''Black Knight Grimlock''', and features a [[Show-accuracy|screen-accurate]] deco.
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[[Category: Age of Extinction Autobots]]
[[Category: Dinobots]]
[[Category: Hall of Fame]]

Talk:Omega Supreme (G1)

2014-05-01T13:44:55Z

Argus: /* Supreme/Spreem */

==Trivia==
What's the source on the "Fortress Maximus" bit? I only know of that being applied to Metroplex early on, not Omega Supreme. Not that it's beyond possibility, of course.

I think the Omega Spreem bit my need some rewording as well.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 18:15, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

'strue. Hasbro was really, really desperate to use the name Fortress Maximus on something, and Omega was their first choice. That didn't go through for some reason or another, so they opted for Metroplex. Metro ALSO didn't get the name, but the REAL Fort Max did. This is based off a thread on The Allspark dealing with character origins, so I can't really cite a source.

And yeah, the Omega Spreem should be reworded, but I have no idea as to how.--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 20:54, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't we take the Fort Max thing with a mountain of salt? I know Metroplex and Omega are confused all the time... each name conjures up memories of the other robot to anyone who doesn't fully remember the situation. And as god-like as Bob is, he's fallible and not nearly as big a fan as we all are (I don't see him posting here, afterall). It is WAY more likely that Bob was thinking of Metroplex and screwed that one up. What are we going to do when these guys who were involved with the creation of the Transformers start to get really old and tell us that originally, Chip Chase was to be revealed to have a cheese sandwich mode that took over as the supreme commander of all the Battle Chargers? Are we still going to take their word as gospel?
:No, because it's not just Bob. Omega is also intermittently named "Fortress Maximus" in the 1985 [http://tfarchive.com/cartoons/bible/ series bible]. And while the external link in is currently down, once it goes back up, I imagine that you'll find that it leads to a photograph of an original document page that was shown on the projector screen at the panel that uses the Fort Max name, not just an idle recollection of Bob's. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 04:52, 20 August 2011 (EDT)

Well then, good enough for me :) Okay, so quick question then... in Golden Lagoon when Beachcomber says "Great Maximus!", is this a nod to Metroplex now? Omega is already named in the episode, and the real Fort Max is years away from release.

===Spare pic===
[[Image:Omega_Supreme_Box.jpg|left|150px|thumb|]]

== arms ==

on this page it says that his torso transforms into a tank, his legs and back pack turn into a rocket base and his arms turn into a rocket yet in one episode his rocket lands and the autobots get out and then the rocket transforms into all of omega supreme with no visible unarmed (couldn't resist that pun) robot or tank and rocket base flying to him, explanations? [[User:80.42.113.93|80.42.113.93]] 19:43, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
:Animators rarely followed the actual toy's transformation. There's your explanation. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:26, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
::A wizard did it. -[[User:FFN|FFN]]

actually i just remembered an episode where he flies off somewhere with the autobots inside and when he transforms back to robot mode for a second you see the tank, base and rocket all there[[User:81.108.233.59|81.108.233.59]] 18:08, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

== Supreme/Spreem ==

While the two versions of the name would indeed be identical in katakana, how is that relevant to a misspelling for a Euro/Australian-release item?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:42, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
:I suppose it depends on who was translating it. If they were a native English speaker, that explanation would seem unlikely. However, if it was translated in Japan by someone who got a C in highschool English, it could definitely happen because of the identical katakana. This is all the opinion of a guy who does not speak or read any Japanese, of course. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:34, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
::I think this trivia note would make a lot more sense (and could be phrased mess awkwardly) if we actually ''had'' the katakana to point to.
::Like... ''"Omega Supreme" and "Omega Spreem" can both be written as ミチヤメノテヒフナナ in Japanese, which is believed to be the source of this error... somehow.''
::Note: that is ''not'' the katakana rendering of Omega Supreme's name, I just grabbed some lorem ipsum as an example. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:47, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
:::FWIW, the relevant kana are オメガスプリーム. However, this still misses my point: The "Omega Spreem" spelling did NOT occur on a Japanese-market product, but on a Euro/Australian-market product. The fact that a Japanese person would be more likely to make that spelling change seems to me to be irrelevant, since there's nothing indicating that a Japanese person had anything to do with setting up the text copy on the packaging.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 23:22, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
:::: Spreems name is a translation from english to japanese and back again originating from the design phase for these toys with Takara. This is also why Doublepunch is essentially Black Zarak, a japanese only release.
[[User:Argus|Argus]] ([[User talk:Argus|talk]]) 09:44, 1 May 2014 (EDT)

== First with batteries? ==

Was Omega Supreme the first Transformers toy to require batteries? (Ignoring the pre-TF Blaster, of course.) [[User:JW|JW]] 15:16, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:If he showed up in stores before Shockwave (another 1985 figure), then yes. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

== Toybox info ==

Found this discussion http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/japanese-hobby-magazine-scans-for-january-2008-164116/ Interesting summary of an interview with Junichi Ishikawa. Not sure how to cite this for inclusion. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:14, 22 December 2009 (EST)

== French release ==

Recently, I managed to pick up an Omega Supreme (with the box) in France at flea market-like sale. There are a few things I believe worth mentioning, like :
1-it was released by a separate company from the ones mentioned in the Europe G1 Toyline page
2-nowhere on the box is the Transformers line mentioned/referenced, yet the package art features an Autobot logo (though there may not have been a sticker for it in the box ; box was already open and worn out). However, the logo on top of the box is written in the style of the G1 logo.
3- there is a sheet showing the various pieces in the box and displaying a short story ... with, again, no reference whatsoever to the Transformers.

Where should I put this info (in the event it's deemed worth putting on the Wiki) ? Thanks in advance. [[User:HunterCham|HunterCham]] 07:09, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

Small update on this : found a (French, of course) TV ad for this variant : http://www.ina.fr/pub/culture-et-loisirs/video/PUB3784054071/robotrack-orli-jouets-jeu.fr.html
The Transformers series is not mentioned, but from sound to video footage ... it's all taken from the US ad. That's getting ... weird. [[User:HunterCham|HunterCham]] 16:11, 20 June 2010 (EDT)
:Even the Robotrack font is from the Transformers logo font! --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:56, 20 June 2010 (EDT)
::Seems like it could be a [[Trasformer]] type deal, where they used the toys, but avoided Hasbro trademarks. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:13, 20 June 2010 (EDT)
::: Trasformer as a line was fully licensed in every incarnation. First from Takara later from Hasbro. Omega has been released in a number of country's outside of the TF line proper as it was a separate license similar to official cousins of Shockwave being out there. [[User:Argus|Argus]] ([[User talk:Argus|talk]]) 09:42, 1 May 2014 (EDT)

==Platinum Series==
Is it safe to say that Platinum Series Omega Supreme is his G1 incarnation, based upon the fact that the similar-in-purpouse Amazon-exclusive Unicron is blatantly his G1 incarnation as well? [[Special:Contributions/86.185.112.239|86.185.112.239]] 07:08, 13 October 2012 (EDT) (sorry, I forgot my password for my account. I'll make a new one soon.)
:It's far from definitive, but I'd say that big spinny claw-hand marks him as the WfC version. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:49, 13 October 2012 (EDT)
:Yeah, the claw-hand, is an ''exact'' match for the WfC model. It's harder to tell, but I think the head is from WfC too. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 10:11, 13 October 2012 (EDT)

==Statue "in scale with G1 toys"?==
In regards to the the statue under Merchandise

"Omega Supreme was released as a statue in 2008 by Diamond Select Toys. He was sculpted by Mark Wong of Art Asylum and limited to 1,000 pieces. He's in scale with G1 toys."

I'm really baffled as to what that last line implies.
There certainly isn't a consistent scale between the vehicle modes of the G1 toys overall, and they don't really match up with the character's relative heights in the comics or cartoon either. It might mean something if he was "in scale with Alternator Toys" I suppose, but how would you even tell with Omega? It's not like he really has a standard size or a real vehicle to compare to. Is it just trying to say the statue is pretty big?

Unless I'm missing something, apologies if I am, that line should either be removed or clarified.

[[User:Soundwarp SG-1|Soundwarp SG-1]] 00:00, 5 May 2013 (EDT)
:Yeah, that really isn't true and should have been removed years ago. I've corrected that oversight. Thank you for bringing it up. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 01:07, 5 May 2013 (EDT)

It really is true. He is the same size as his g1 toy and this in scale with the G1 toyline line as a much nicer version of Omega of the same size as the original toy. This should be returned but maybe clarified? I'm not sure how it can be misinterpreted but it seems it's easy enough to do. [[User:Argus|Argus]] ([[User talk:Argus|talk]]) 09:41, 1 May 2014 (EDT)

Talk:Omega Supreme (G1)

2014-05-01T13:42:22Z

Argus: /* French release */

==Trivia==
What's the source on the "Fortress Maximus" bit? I only know of that being applied to Metroplex early on, not Omega Supreme. Not that it's beyond possibility, of course.

I think the Omega Spreem bit my need some rewording as well.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 18:15, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

'strue. Hasbro was really, really desperate to use the name Fortress Maximus on something, and Omega was their first choice. That didn't go through for some reason or another, so they opted for Metroplex. Metro ALSO didn't get the name, but the REAL Fort Max did. This is based off a thread on The Allspark dealing with character origins, so I can't really cite a source.

And yeah, the Omega Spreem should be reworded, but I have no idea as to how.--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 20:54, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't we take the Fort Max thing with a mountain of salt? I know Metroplex and Omega are confused all the time... each name conjures up memories of the other robot to anyone who doesn't fully remember the situation. And as god-like as Bob is, he's fallible and not nearly as big a fan as we all are (I don't see him posting here, afterall). It is WAY more likely that Bob was thinking of Metroplex and screwed that one up. What are we going to do when these guys who were involved with the creation of the Transformers start to get really old and tell us that originally, Chip Chase was to be revealed to have a cheese sandwich mode that took over as the supreme commander of all the Battle Chargers? Are we still going to take their word as gospel?
:No, because it's not just Bob. Omega is also intermittently named "Fortress Maximus" in the 1985 [http://tfarchive.com/cartoons/bible/ series bible]. And while the external link in is currently down, once it goes back up, I imagine that you'll find that it leads to a photograph of an original document page that was shown on the projector screen at the panel that uses the Fort Max name, not just an idle recollection of Bob's. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 04:52, 20 August 2011 (EDT)

Well then, good enough for me :) Okay, so quick question then... in Golden Lagoon when Beachcomber says "Great Maximus!", is this a nod to Metroplex now? Omega is already named in the episode, and the real Fort Max is years away from release.

===Spare pic===
[[Image:Omega_Supreme_Box.jpg|left|150px|thumb|]]

== arms ==

on this page it says that his torso transforms into a tank, his legs and back pack turn into a rocket base and his arms turn into a rocket yet in one episode his rocket lands and the autobots get out and then the rocket transforms into all of omega supreme with no visible unarmed (couldn't resist that pun) robot or tank and rocket base flying to him, explanations? [[User:80.42.113.93|80.42.113.93]] 19:43, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
:Animators rarely followed the actual toy's transformation. There's your explanation. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:26, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
::A wizard did it. -[[User:FFN|FFN]]

actually i just remembered an episode where he flies off somewhere with the autobots inside and when he transforms back to robot mode for a second you see the tank, base and rocket all there[[User:81.108.233.59|81.108.233.59]] 18:08, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

== Supreme/Spreem ==

While the two versions of the name would indeed be identical in katakana, how is that relevant to a misspelling for a Euro/Australian-release item?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:42, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
:I suppose it depends on who was translating it. If they were a native English speaker, that explanation would seem unlikely. However, if it was translated in Japan by someone who got a C in highschool English, it could definitely happen because of the identical katakana. This is all the opinion of a guy who does not speak or read any Japanese, of course. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:34, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
::I think this trivia note would make a lot more sense (and could be phrased mess awkwardly) if we actually ''had'' the katakana to point to.
::Like... ''"Omega Supreme" and "Omega Spreem" can both be written as ミチヤメノテヒフナナ in Japanese, which is believed to be the source of this error... somehow.''
::Note: that is ''not'' the katakana rendering of Omega Supreme's name, I just grabbed some lorem ipsum as an example. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:47, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
:::FWIW, the relevant kana are オメガスプリーム. However, this still misses my point: The "Omega Spreem" spelling did NOT occur on a Japanese-market product, but on a Euro/Australian-market product. The fact that a Japanese person would be more likely to make that spelling change seems to me to be irrelevant, since there's nothing indicating that a Japanese person had anything to do with setting up the text copy on the packaging.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 23:22, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

== First with batteries? ==

Was Omega Supreme the first Transformers toy to require batteries? (Ignoring the pre-TF Blaster, of course.) [[User:JW|JW]] 15:16, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:If he showed up in stores before Shockwave (another 1985 figure), then yes. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

== Toybox info ==

Found this discussion http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/japanese-hobby-magazine-scans-for-january-2008-164116/ Interesting summary of an interview with Junichi Ishikawa. Not sure how to cite this for inclusion. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:14, 22 December 2009 (EST)

== French release ==

Recently, I managed to pick up an Omega Supreme (with the box) in France at flea market-like sale. There are a few things I believe worth mentioning, like :
1-it was released by a separate company from the ones mentioned in the Europe G1 Toyline page
2-nowhere on the box is the Transformers line mentioned/referenced, yet the package art features an Autobot logo (though there may not have been a sticker for it in the box ; box was already open and worn out). However, the logo on top of the box is written in the style of the G1 logo.
3- there is a sheet showing the various pieces in the box and displaying a short story ... with, again, no reference whatsoever to the Transformers.

Where should I put this info (in the event it's deemed worth putting on the Wiki) ? Thanks in advance. [[User:HunterCham|HunterCham]] 07:09, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

Small update on this : found a (French, of course) TV ad for this variant : http://www.ina.fr/pub/culture-et-loisirs/video/PUB3784054071/robotrack-orli-jouets-jeu.fr.html
The Transformers series is not mentioned, but from sound to video footage ... it's all taken from the US ad. That's getting ... weird. [[User:HunterCham|HunterCham]] 16:11, 20 June 2010 (EDT)
:Even the Robotrack font is from the Transformers logo font! --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:56, 20 June 2010 (EDT)
::Seems like it could be a [[Trasformer]] type deal, where they used the toys, but avoided Hasbro trademarks. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:13, 20 June 2010 (EDT)
::: Trasformer as a line was fully licensed in every incarnation. First from Takara later from Hasbro. Omega has been released in a number of country's outside of the TF line proper as it was a separate license similar to official cousins of Shockwave being out there. [[User:Argus|Argus]] ([[User talk:Argus|talk]]) 09:42, 1 May 2014 (EDT)

==Platinum Series==
Is it safe to say that Platinum Series Omega Supreme is his G1 incarnation, based upon the fact that the similar-in-purpouse Amazon-exclusive Unicron is blatantly his G1 incarnation as well? [[Special:Contributions/86.185.112.239|86.185.112.239]] 07:08, 13 October 2012 (EDT) (sorry, I forgot my password for my account. I'll make a new one soon.)
:It's far from definitive, but I'd say that big spinny claw-hand marks him as the WfC version. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:49, 13 October 2012 (EDT)
:Yeah, the claw-hand, is an ''exact'' match for the WfC model. It's harder to tell, but I think the head is from WfC too. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 10:11, 13 October 2012 (EDT)

==Statue "in scale with G1 toys"?==
In regards to the the statue under Merchandise

"Omega Supreme was released as a statue in 2008 by Diamond Select Toys. He was sculpted by Mark Wong of Art Asylum and limited to 1,000 pieces. He's in scale with G1 toys."

I'm really baffled as to what that last line implies.
There certainly isn't a consistent scale between the vehicle modes of the G1 toys overall, and they don't really match up with the character's relative heights in the comics or cartoon either. It might mean something if he was "in scale with Alternator Toys" I suppose, but how would you even tell with Omega? It's not like he really has a standard size or a real vehicle to compare to. Is it just trying to say the statue is pretty big?

Unless I'm missing something, apologies if I am, that line should either be removed or clarified.

[[User:Soundwarp SG-1|Soundwarp SG-1]] 00:00, 5 May 2013 (EDT)
:Yeah, that really isn't true and should have been removed years ago. I've corrected that oversight. Thank you for bringing it up. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 01:07, 5 May 2013 (EDT)

It really is true. He is the same size as his g1 toy and this in scale with the G1 toyline line as a much nicer version of Omega of the same size as the original toy. This should be returned but maybe clarified? I'm not sure how it can be misinterpreted but it seems it's easy enough to do. [[User:Argus|Argus]] ([[User talk:Argus|talk]]) 09:41, 1 May 2014 (EDT)

Talk:Omega Supreme (G1)

2014-05-01T13:41:00Z

Argus: /* Statue "in scale with G1 toys"? */

==Trivia==
What's the source on the "Fortress Maximus" bit? I only know of that being applied to Metroplex early on, not Omega Supreme. Not that it's beyond possibility, of course.

I think the Omega Spreem bit my need some rewording as well.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 18:15, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

'strue. Hasbro was really, really desperate to use the name Fortress Maximus on something, and Omega was their first choice. That didn't go through for some reason or another, so they opted for Metroplex. Metro ALSO didn't get the name, but the REAL Fort Max did. This is based off a thread on The Allspark dealing with character origins, so I can't really cite a source.

And yeah, the Omega Spreem should be reworded, but I have no idea as to how.--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 20:54, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't we take the Fort Max thing with a mountain of salt? I know Metroplex and Omega are confused all the time... each name conjures up memories of the other robot to anyone who doesn't fully remember the situation. And as god-like as Bob is, he's fallible and not nearly as big a fan as we all are (I don't see him posting here, afterall). It is WAY more likely that Bob was thinking of Metroplex and screwed that one up. What are we going to do when these guys who were involved with the creation of the Transformers start to get really old and tell us that originally, Chip Chase was to be revealed to have a cheese sandwich mode that took over as the supreme commander of all the Battle Chargers? Are we still going to take their word as gospel?
:No, because it's not just Bob. Omega is also intermittently named "Fortress Maximus" in the 1985 [http://tfarchive.com/cartoons/bible/ series bible]. And while the external link in is currently down, once it goes back up, I imagine that you'll find that it leads to a photograph of an original document page that was shown on the projector screen at the panel that uses the Fort Max name, not just an idle recollection of Bob's. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 04:52, 20 August 2011 (EDT)

Well then, good enough for me :) Okay, so quick question then... in Golden Lagoon when Beachcomber says "Great Maximus!", is this a nod to Metroplex now? Omega is already named in the episode, and the real Fort Max is years away from release.

===Spare pic===
[[Image:Omega_Supreme_Box.jpg|left|150px|thumb|]]

== arms ==

on this page it says that his torso transforms into a tank, his legs and back pack turn into a rocket base and his arms turn into a rocket yet in one episode his rocket lands and the autobots get out and then the rocket transforms into all of omega supreme with no visible unarmed (couldn't resist that pun) robot or tank and rocket base flying to him, explanations? [[User:80.42.113.93|80.42.113.93]] 19:43, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
:Animators rarely followed the actual toy's transformation. There's your explanation. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:26, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
::A wizard did it. -[[User:FFN|FFN]]

actually i just remembered an episode where he flies off somewhere with the autobots inside and when he transforms back to robot mode for a second you see the tank, base and rocket all there[[User:81.108.233.59|81.108.233.59]] 18:08, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

== Supreme/Spreem ==

While the two versions of the name would indeed be identical in katakana, how is that relevant to a misspelling for a Euro/Australian-release item?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:42, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
:I suppose it depends on who was translating it. If they were a native English speaker, that explanation would seem unlikely. However, if it was translated in Japan by someone who got a C in highschool English, it could definitely happen because of the identical katakana. This is all the opinion of a guy who does not speak or read any Japanese, of course. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:34, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
::I think this trivia note would make a lot more sense (and could be phrased mess awkwardly) if we actually ''had'' the katakana to point to.
::Like... ''"Omega Supreme" and "Omega Spreem" can both be written as ミチヤメノテヒフナナ in Japanese, which is believed to be the source of this error... somehow.''
::Note: that is ''not'' the katakana rendering of Omega Supreme's name, I just grabbed some lorem ipsum as an example. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:47, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
:::FWIW, the relevant kana are オメガスプリーム. However, this still misses my point: The "Omega Spreem" spelling did NOT occur on a Japanese-market product, but on a Euro/Australian-market product. The fact that a Japanese person would be more likely to make that spelling change seems to me to be irrelevant, since there's nothing indicating that a Japanese person had anything to do with setting up the text copy on the packaging.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 23:22, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

== First with batteries? ==

Was Omega Supreme the first Transformers toy to require batteries? (Ignoring the pre-TF Blaster, of course.) [[User:JW|JW]] 15:16, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:If he showed up in stores before Shockwave (another 1985 figure), then yes. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

== Toybox info ==

Found this discussion http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/japanese-hobby-magazine-scans-for-january-2008-164116/ Interesting summary of an interview with Junichi Ishikawa. Not sure how to cite this for inclusion. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:14, 22 December 2009 (EST)

== French release ==

Recently, I managed to pick up an Omega Supreme (with the box) in France at flea market-like sale. There are a few things I believe worth mentioning, like :
1-it was released by a separate company from the ones mentioned in the Europe G1 Toyline page
2-nowhere on the box is the Transformers line mentioned/referenced, yet the package art features an Autobot logo (though there may not have been a sticker for it in the box ; box was already open and worn out). However, the logo on top of the box is written in the style of the G1 logo.
3- there is a sheet showing the various pieces in the box and displaying a short story ... with, again, no reference whatsoever to the Transformers.

Where should I put this info (in the event it's deemed worth putting on the Wiki) ? Thanks in advance. [[User:HunterCham|HunterCham]] 07:09, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

Small update on this : found a (French, of course) TV ad for this variant : http://www.ina.fr/pub/culture-et-loisirs/video/PUB3784054071/robotrack-orli-jouets-jeu.fr.html
The Transformers series is not mentioned, but from sound to video footage ... it's all taken from the US ad. That's getting ... weird. [[User:HunterCham|HunterCham]] 16:11, 20 June 2010 (EDT)
:Even the Robotrack font is from the Transformers logo font! --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:56, 20 June 2010 (EDT)
::Seems like it could be a [[Trasformer]] type deal, where they used the toys, but avoided Hasbro trademarks. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:13, 20 June 2010 (EDT)

==Platinum Series==
Is it safe to say that Platinum Series Omega Supreme is his G1 incarnation, based upon the fact that the similar-in-purpouse Amazon-exclusive Unicron is blatantly his G1 incarnation as well? [[Special:Contributions/86.185.112.239|86.185.112.239]] 07:08, 13 October 2012 (EDT) (sorry, I forgot my password for my account. I'll make a new one soon.)
:It's far from definitive, but I'd say that big spinny claw-hand marks him as the WfC version. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:49, 13 October 2012 (EDT)
:Yeah, the claw-hand, is an ''exact'' match for the WfC model. It's harder to tell, but I think the head is from WfC too. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 10:11, 13 October 2012 (EDT)

==Statue "in scale with G1 toys"?==
In regards to the the statue under Merchandise

"Omega Supreme was released as a statue in 2008 by Diamond Select Toys. He was sculpted by Mark Wong of Art Asylum and limited to 1,000 pieces. He's in scale with G1 toys."

I'm really baffled as to what that last line implies.
There certainly isn't a consistent scale between the vehicle modes of the G1 toys overall, and they don't really match up with the character's relative heights in the comics or cartoon either. It might mean something if he was "in scale with Alternator Toys" I suppose, but how would you even tell with Omega? It's not like he really has a standard size or a real vehicle to compare to. Is it just trying to say the statue is pretty big?

Unless I'm missing something, apologies if I am, that line should either be removed or clarified.

[[User:Soundwarp SG-1|Soundwarp SG-1]] 00:00, 5 May 2013 (EDT)
:Yeah, that really isn't true and should have been removed years ago. I've corrected that oversight. Thank you for bringing it up. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 01:07, 5 May 2013 (EDT)

It really is true. He is the same size as his g1 toy and this in scale with the G1 toyline line as a much nicer version of Omega of the same size as the original toy. This should be returned but maybe clarified? I'm not sure how it can be misinterpreted but it seems it's easy enough to do. [[User:Argus|Argus]] ([[User talk:Argus|talk]]) 09:41, 1 May 2014 (EDT)

Nightscream (BM)

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Argus: /* Beast Machines */ disc color changed from blue to orange

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:''Nightscream is a [[Maximal]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

[[Image:Nightscreambm.jpg|right|300px|thumb|I'd hit that…with a [[brick (term)|brick]].]]
When armies of [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicons]] conquered [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], young '''Nightscream''' survived alone in the darkness below the surface of the planet. This trauma influences much of his behavior. He's always on the defensive. Paranoid. Rude. Distrusting. Confrontational. But really, he's just a troubled kid, and he's been through a lot. Inside, he's got a good heart. He's just got to learn to stop fighting friends and enemies alike.

Regardless, he seems to have found a kindred spirit in the wild [[Noble]] creature.

==Fiction==
===''Beast Wars'' cartoon continuity===
====''Beast Machines'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Alessandro Juliani]] (English), [[Nobutoshi Canna]] (Japanese)|[[Oberdan Junior]] (Portuguese), [[Julien Haggége]] (German), [[Enrique Mederos]] (Latin American Spanish)}}

[[Image:ForbiddenFruit prebeast Nightscream.jpg|thumb|left|200px|I'm with the Vehicons here.]]
When the Vehicons and their virus struck, Nightscream ran and panicked like many Maximals. Fleeing underground, he fell down a hole during the attack, and everything went dark. Though he would not recall the details later, somehow he wandered into a [[fossil cave|cave]] bearing the fossils of a strange, gigantic bat-creature, and his internal DNA scanners used them to reformat him an organic beast form and save him, at least temporarily, from the virus. Nightscream's mental state at this point is unknown, but he seems to have spent the next period trapped in his bat form, hiding and feeding off a strange fruit tree he found growing below the planet's surface. Eventually, [[Optimus Primal]] and company arrived and, distrustful, he began to spy on their activities, hoping to work out how to transform.

[[Image:ForbiddenFruit titlescreen.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Cue Zelda "item get" music.]]

Nightscream fled when they spotted him, flying through the tunnels until they managed to corner him. When [[Jetstorm (BM)|Jetstorm]] turned up, Nightscream accused them of leading the Vehicons to him, but after they began fighting the [[Aero Drone|aero drones]], he realised his mistake and used a sonic cry to disorientate the Vehicons. He subsequently lead the other Maximals to his tree. [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] suspected a trap on the part of [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]], more so when the other Maximals ate the fruit and reverted to their beast instincts, but Nightscream objected loudly to the accusation. They were shortly found by Jetstorm again, forcing Cheetor to destroy the fruit tree to restore his friends, but to Nightscream's anguish. The young Maximal was injured by the Vehicons during the battle, and Primal reformatted him into a [[technorganic]] bat. Reveling in his new form, Nightscream used a sonic scream to destroy the aero drones and drained energon from Jetstorm. Afterward, he accepted Cheetor's invitation to join the Maximal team. {{storylink|Forbidden Fruit}}

With Primal weakened by the reformatting, Cheetor, Nightscream and [[Rattrap]] went on a mission to gather information from a Vehicon factory. Nightscream discovered that disabling the [[Vehicon general]]s disabled all of the drones they controlled. However, the plan they developed was inadvertently ruined by Rattrap, who'd thought that Nightscream was in trouble. Annoyed at Rattrap's foul-ups, Nightscream suggested they get rid of him, but Cheetor angrily turned down the idea, saying that they should cover for their friend. Unknown to them, the discussion led Rattrap to join Megatron, albeit temporarily, and the Maximals later found themselves confronting their comrade. It was only when Primal interceded that Rattrap rejoined them. {{storylink|The Weak Component}}

[[Image:Revelations3 Nightscream.jpg|thumb|left|220px|Why, this car could go like... ''Greased Lightning!'']]
After another encounter with [[Thrust (BM)|Thrust]], Nightscream became dissatisfied with Primal's ability to lead and suggested Cheetor take command, though his suggestion was rebuffed. They later discovered a factory of corpses with evidence of [[spark]] removal. The factory was destroyed in another battle, and Nightscream was saddened at the loss, though Rattrap pointed out they could build new bodies when they found the sparks. {{storylink|Revelations Part I: Discovery|Discovery}} With Cheetor in command, the Maximals set about trying to access [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]]'s memories so they could find out what happened. Nightscream and [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] were assigned to keep Thrust and Jetstorm busy, but Blackarachnia's belief that Thrust housed the spark of her lover, [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]], resulted in her being overpowered by the two generals. Nightscream attempted to help, but was unable to stop Thrust extracting Blackarachnia's spark. {{storylink|Revelations Part II: Descent|Descent}} Nightscream pursued the two generals, retrieving Blackarachnia's spark from Jetstorm before dropping an elevator on the Vehicon. After then defeating Thrust, he was able to restore the spark to Blackarachnia's body, and the pair joined Cheetor and Rattrap, who had discovered that Tankor was their old friend [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]]. Rhinox, unfortunately, was siding with Megatron's view of a technological Cybertron, and Primal insisted they let him go. {{storylink|Revelations Part III: Apocalypse|Apocalypse}}

[[Image:Survivor Nightscream sonic.jpg|right|thumb|200px]]
Rattrap's attempts at accessing Nightscream's memories turned up the fact that he had a built-in DNA scanner, providing a vital clue. He clashed with the other Maximals over their losing of the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]], however, and was reminded that they'd lost friends during that war. The Maximals headed for the cave which had housed Nightscream's fruit tree, only to find it had been sealed off. As Nightscream tried to use his sonic scream to break through, they were attacked by Vehicons, and Nightscream was abducted. The [[Diagnostic Drone]] attempted to analyse Nightscream's physiology, but the young Maximal was able to escape, pursued through the underground corridors by the Vehicons. With the help of the other Maximals, he eluded his captors, eventually ending up in a cave full of fossils. The realisation that, had he not been caught up in himself, he could have saved other [[Transformer]]s, caused Nightscream great anguish. Optimus commiserated with him, and the Maximals took up residence in the cave. {{storylink|Survivor}}

[[Image:TheKey Nightscream holding skull.jpg|left|thumb|270px|Alas, poor whoever he was.]]
After Tankor found the [[Key to Vector Sigma]] and confronted the Maximals, Nightscream threw himself between the Vehicon and Optimus, taking a blast from the key and being turned into [[technomatter]]. Losing his sanity, Nightscream passed the technomatter sickness on to Blackarachnia before the other Maximals were able to use the [[organic goo]] they'd discovered to cure them both. {{storylink|The Key}} Nightscream, Optimus and Cheetor rescued Rattrap from some overgrowing vines after Rattrap discovered a catalyst to improve the goo. Though Optimus forbade them from using the catalyst in combat, the other three used it to rescue Blackarachnia from the Vehicons, which almost spelled doom for the Maximal orchard. {{storylink|The Catalyst}}

After Primal discovered the location of the [[Plasma Energy Chamber]], the other Maximals persuaded him to try it their way first, and, while Rattrap attempted to tap into Megatron's computer, the other Maximals fought against the Vehicons. Unfortunately, they were overpowered and converted into technomatter by the Vehicon drones. {{storylink|End of the Line}} The clashing energies of the Key and the Plasma Energy Chamber cancelled each other out, restoring the four Maximals, who discovered that Optimus, Megatron and Tankor had all perished during the final battle. Finding no answers above ground, they traveled down to see the [[Oracle (BM)|Oracle]], and, finding Primal floating within, persuaded him to choose life and rejoin them. {{storylink|Fallout (episode)|Fallout}}

[[Image:SavageNoble Nightscream narrowed eyes.jpg|right|260px|thumb]]
On discovering a [[Grand Mal|giant floating head]] with the likeness of Megatron, Blackarachnia and Nightscream attempted to infiltrate it, only to be repelled by its defences. The Maximals soon encountered a dragon-like beast dubbed Savage by the Vehicons, and shortly after, a wolf Maximal named [[Noble]], whom Nightscream regarded as a kindred spirit and quickly befriended. When Noble went missing, Nightscream worried that Savage had killed their new friend. However, once they cornered Savage, Nightscream was able to talk to the beast, and it transpired that Savage and Noble were one and the same, a completely organic Transformer. {{storylink|Savage Noble}} Nightscream valued his new friendship, even rebuking the other Maximals over their treatment of Noble. When the other Maximals infiltrated the [[Council Citadel]], Noble dashed in after them, and Nightscream followed. During their attempt to access Megatron's computer, Noble ripped Rattrap from the [[control harness]] and attempted to use it himself. Failing, he used a [[spark extractor]] to rip his own spark out and took over the giant flying head. In reality, Noble had been Megatron, trapped in his own organic half, and had taken advantage of Nightscream's compassion. Nightscream was shattered by the betrayal. {{storylink|Prometheus Unbound}}

[[Image:InDarkestKnight Nightscream and Noble.jpg|left|200px|thumb]]
Noble himself lived on, though sparkless and lacking in intelligence. Nightscream didn't give up on his friend, and he searched [[Cybertropolis]] at length. During a battle with Vehicons, Nightscream was knocked out by Thrust but rescued by Savage, who dragged him off. Nightscream recovered to find himself in Noble's lair, being offered metallic fruit. An ill-advised rescue attempt on Rattrap's part caused Noble to revert to Savage and chase the pair. They were able to divert his attention to Thrust, and Nightscream insisted that they should try to help Noble, but Primal said he would come to them when he was ready. {{storylink|In Darkest Knight}}

Megatron's re-engineered [[Hate Plague]] virus infected all of the Maximals, causing them to fight amongst themselves until Optimus was able to help them overcome it. Despite this, Nightscream blamed Silverbolt for the virus's spread. {{storylink|A Wolf in the Fold}} After a spaceship crashed, the Maximals headed for the site. Nightscream and [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]] took the option of going by air, though Nightscream made it obvious he wasn't enthusiastic about being partnered with the new Maximal. After encountering a strange plant creature, the Maximals were surprised to discover it was a Maximal named [[Botanica (BM)|Botanica]]. Once again, they found themselves fighting [[Tank Drone|tank drones]], and at one point Silverbolt saved Nightscream's life, finally turning the young Maximal's opinion of him. {{storylink|Home Soil}}

Nightscream's attempts to persuade Silverbolt to be nicer to Blackarachnia were interrupted when the pair encountered two new Vehicon generals, [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]] and [[Strika (BM)|Strika]]. The other Maximals joined the fight, but were outclassed and trapped by the new generals until Botanica rescued them. {{storylink|Sparkwar Pt. I: The Strike|The Strike}} In search of the missing sparks, Optimus and Nightscream ventured underground, finding the ancient city of [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]. While Primal was conferring with a hologram of [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], Nightscream found himself being overwhelmed by [[Motorcycle Drone|cycle drones]] and was only rescued by the arrival of Savage. Later, Optimus revealed that he'd discovered the location of the missing sparks. {{storylink|Sparkwar Pt. II: The Search|The Search}}

[[Image:Sparkwar3 Nightscream and dead Noble.jpg|right|240px|thumb|"Hey! Primal didn't send him to a farm at ''all!''"]]
Nightscream, Cheetor and Silverbolt fought the Vehicons while the others infiltrated the giant floating head. However, they were too late to prevent Megatron's attempt at ascension, fueled by the captured sparks. As Megatron attempted to remove Nightscream's spark, Savage came to their aid and attempted to attack Megatron, only to be blasted by the evil spark. Savage fell to the ground and reverted to Noble, who died in Nightscream's arms. Enraged, Nightscream used his sonic attack to blast Megatron, apparently destroying the evil spark. The Maximals later held a funeral service for Noble. {{storylink|Sparkwar Pt. III: The Siege|The Siege}} Though the Maximals celebrated Megatron's demise, their enemy lived on as a disembodied spark. Megatron was unable to maintain the use of a single body for long, and Nightscream and Cheetor tangled with him in the body of a deceased aero drone. Megatron eventually became stuck in the form of a Diagnostic Drone. {{storylink|Spark of Darkness}}

[[Image:Endgame1 Nightscream sonic attack.jpg|left|240px|thumb|'''**** YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME!!!''']]
With the Maximals besieged on the giant head, Nightscream, Silverbolt and Blackarachnia attempted to keep the Vehicons busy. They were able to find a Vehicon factory, where Nightscream tricked Megatron and managed to blow up the facility. Though the trio was able to catch Botanica's pod when Rattrap ejected her from the head, they were unable to do anything when the Vehicons brought the giant head itself crashing to the ground. {{storylink|Endgame Pt. I: The Downward Spiral|The Downward Spiral}} As the Maximals prepared for the Vehicon assault, Optimus consulted the Oracle, and they were bestowed with extra spark power. During the battle, Botanica became aware that the Vehicons were attacking the [[technorganic orchard]], and she went to save it with Rattrap and Nightscream. Nightscream attempted to defend the fossil cave, but was overwhelmed and, like the other Maximals, had his spark ripped out. {{storylink|Endgame Pt. II: When Legends Fall|When Legends Fall}} Though unable to help physically, the Maximals offered Primal moral support during his one-on-one battle with Megatron. After the [[Great Reformatting|reformatting of Cybertron]], Nightscream's spark was restored to his body, and he and the other Maximals found themselves in a technorganic paradise. {{storylink|Endgame Pt. III: Seeds of the Future|Seeds of the Future}}
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====3H comics====
[[Image:NightscreamMol.jpg|right|thumb|300px|This looks way more phallic than it needs to.]]
During Megatron's rule over Vehicon-held Cybertron, Nightscream and Optimus Primal were able to recover a trio of [[Deployer (BM)|Deployers]] from a remote location far outside of [[Cybertropolis]]. With [[Tank Drone]]s hot on their trail, the intervention of [[Primal Prime]] and the [[Wrecker]]s were eventually required to save them. The Wreckers introduced themselves, and Optimus Primal, Nightscream, and the Deployers accompanied the Wreckers to the Oracle, where other groups had assembled before it to be given instruction. However, at the end of this meeting, the memories of Nightscream and Primal were wiped, their bodies were taken back to the surface, and the Deployers were stolen away by [[Packrat]]. {{storylink|Departure}}

A week after the [[Great Reformatting]], the [[Quintesson]]s invaded [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. However, [[Botanica (BM)|Botanica]] felt that the true threat was below ground, and she took Nightscream and Rattrap into the subterranean chambers. Here they stumbled upon [[Al-Badur]], a rogue Quintesson, who convinced them he was aiding the Wreckers, and thus on their side, by disabling 30% of the Quintesson invading forces up on the surface.

Shortly thereafter, they met up with the Wreckers proper. As Rattrap spent forever catching up with Tigatron, Nightscream reminded them that they should probably pay more attention to [[Cryotek (RID)|Cryotek]], who was in the planet's core attempting to use the [[Divine Light]] to usurp the power of [[Primus]] and become a [[god]]. Under Al-Badur's direction, the large group eventually made their way to a [[Quintesson execution chamber]] that the Quintesson hoped would help them banish Cryotek to another dimension... if they could lure the Predacon there.

But when Cryotek arrived, he had already grown monstrous due to the Divine Light's effects. Nightscream and some of the others attacked the former gangster, but when Nightscream tried to use his fang attack on him, Cryotek was able to grab the line that connected Nightscream to the projectile fangs and slam Nightscream into [[Rotorbolt (Universe)|Rotorbolt]]. Al-Badur was able to trap Cryotek in a containment bubble that would imminently vanish their nemesis, but the Wreckers leader [[Sentinel Maximus]] was caught inside it with him. Nightscream and the others tried to destroy the bubble, but the young Maximal's sonic attack had no effect. Only the combined efforts of [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Major]] and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] were able to thwart it, though the strain killed Rodimus. Nightscream was stunned into near silence, as he'd only read things about Rodimus' younger days, and the sacrifice awed him. But Rodimus's sacrifice was negated by Sentinel Maximus's, who had pushed himself and Cryotek through the portal in the bubble into the void beyond.

When the media arrived, Nightscream was eager to hog the spotlight, but [[Rook (Universe)|Rook]] ignored him. {{storylink|Wreckers: Finale Part II}}

====''Transformers Legends'' anthology====
While attacking the Maximals in a trashed Jet drone, Megatron noted that he hated Nightscream for interrupting his ascension. Nightscream attempted to use his taser fangs on Megatron, who used the connection to shock the Maximal, whilst wondering whether any of Nightscream's verbal outbursts ever made any sense. {{storylink|Singularity Ablyss}}

===''TransTech''===
[[Image:Nightscreamtranstechbat.jpg|left|250px|thumb|If he says "music to my ears", we will end him.]]
In an alternate universe, the Autobots and Decepticons had grown too decrepit to continue waging the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]]. Constructing the Maximals and Predacons as new armies to continue the conflict, an entire generation of Cybertronians was brought up knowing nothing but war. Nightscream was a member of [[Blackarachnia (BW)#TransTech|Blackarachnia]]'s squad, and after the death of Rhinox and Silverbolt conspired with her to kill their commander, Optimus Primal. After Primal's demise, he fled with her and activated an experimental [[transwarp]] device, seeking to flee Cybertron. The device transported them to [[Axiom Nexus]], where they were discovered by the native [[Transcendent Technomorph]]s, processed, and assigned to [[Alpha Trion (SG)|Alpha Trion]]. Taking advantage of Nightscream's discontent, Trion was able to sway him to his cause and procured [[Nightscream (TransTech)|a suitable body]] to transfer his spark to. His new body proving to be a significant upgrade, Nightscream was all too happy to join the rebellion. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 25|"TransTech" Blackarachnia's profile in Club magazine #25}}

After returning to Alpha Trion's lab, Nightscream claimed to have discovered where [[Megatron (TransTech)|Megatron]] and his cronies had taken [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]]. With this information, Alpha Trion announced an attack on the location that very night. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 4}} At the transit facility, Nightscream went with Blackarachnia and [[Scavenger (TransTech)|Scavenger]] to secure their escape route while Alpha Trion helped [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]] and [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]] rescue their friend. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 5}} He manned the transwarp controls as the others lept through the portal, leaving him the only witness to Alpha Trion's brutal murder of Skyfall. At Alpha Trion's command, he carried the corpse through the portal with them. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 6}}

Upon arrival in the Shatteredverse, Nightscream began securing equipment from Alpha Trion's old lab for travel, and their materialization was surely detected by one faction or another. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 1}}

Weeks later, after the assassination of [[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]], Nightscream and [[Sky Lynx (SG)|Sky Lynx]] followed Alpha Trion to confront Optimus Prime, intent on his assassination as well. Unfortunately, the three had not counted on Prime's new warrior, [[Omega Doom]], and Sky Lynx and Nightscream stared dumbfounded after one blast left their leader a distant smear on the ground. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 5}} Nightscream was gunned down by Optimus Prime's ion blaster, and apparently left for dead. {{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 1}}

==Toys==
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===Beast Machines===
*'''Nightscream''' (Ultra, 2000)
**''Accessories'': 5 launching disks

: This massively out of scale Nightscream (although one could make the case that it is in scale with the later supreme-size Optimus Primal and Cheetor) was fairly show-accurate. The beast mode is a transorganic bat. It was molded entirely in transparent blue plastic, with some brown paint details to match his show model. The 2 main gimmicks of this figure are its disc launcher and "kick-attack" mode. The disc launcher is very similar to the kind Beast Wars Depth Charge uses, and fires translucent orange discs. The launcher itself has a red LED in it that will illuminate the discs and the surrounding body parts. In robot mode the disc launcher can only be used when the "chest door" is opened and it is swung forward (as it faces down in this mode). In beast mode the disc launcher can remain concealed while firing discs. The "kick-attack" mode is really more of a pose for the beast mode. Nightscream's wings actually have little folding-out "feet" on its longest points. These can support the beast mode and by putting the bat feet a little forward, you can make Nightscream kick forward by pushing on his back. This never really worked too well, as the figure usually fell over and the arm joints that allow him to swing were always too stiff. Perhaps one aspect that was pulled off well was Nightscream's little streak of hair included in the head sculpt.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2000/Maximal/Nightscream/nightscream.htm More information on Nightscream (Ultra) at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:BMtoy-NightscreamMcD.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Really good at "We're not worthy!" posturing.]]
*'''Nightscream''' (Happy Meal toy, 2000)

: Greatly simplified for the tykes, Nightscream's fast-food exclusive toy is nonetheless a fairly accurate representation of his cartoon model, albeit with somewhat warped proportions in his beast mode, and supplementary kibble in robot mode. His color scheme has been simplified to be represented with a yellowish-cream color and brown as the more dominant colored plastics, with some opaque blue plastic and translucent blue plastic for the beast mode's head and back, and his robot mode legs/beast mode wings respectively.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2000/Maximal/McNightscream/nightscream.htm More information on Nightscream (Mcdonald's) at TFU.info]''

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*'''Nightscream''' (Ultra, [[March 26]] 2005)
** ''Japanese ID number:'' '''BR-09'''
**''Accessories'': 5 launching disks

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==Notes==
*Story editor Bob Skir originally wanted the character of Nightscream to be a young female Transformer, patterned after the girl "Newt" from the movie ''[[wikipedia:Aliens (film)|Aliens]]''. When the Powers That Be nixed that, Nightscream ended up becoming [[wikipedia:John Connor|John Connor]] in ''[[wikipedia:Terminator 2: Judgment Day|Terminator 2: Judgment Day]]'' instead.<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20071202095033/http://bigbot.com/beast-machines-transformers-bob-skir/Beast-Machines-FAQ/Fri_03_Dec_1999.html Bob Skir Q&A 3 December 1999] (archive copy)</ref> In hindsight, maybe that wasn't the best idea.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Nightscream''' (ナイトスクリーム ''Naitosukurīmu'')

==References==
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Scamper

2013-08-08T08:26:38Z

Argus: /* Generations */

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:''Scamper is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

[[File:Scamper toon.jpg|300px|thumb|Why only 15 minutes? Because if it were any longer, The Man would consider it welfare!]]
'''Scamper''' is part of the composite whole that is the Autobot city, [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]. Although autonomous in his own right, with an impulsive and sociable personality, Scamper is an extension of Metroplex, and commonly patrols the peripheries of the giant Autobot's city form in his sports car mode alongside [[Slammer]].

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Dan Gilvezan]] (English), [[Masashi Ebara]] (Japanese)

[[File:Giantscamper.jpg|left|thumb|All kinds of out of whack.]]
Scamper would occasionally be seen when Metroplex was viewed from afar, in (a wildly out-of-[[scale]]) car mode berthed in the garage on the left-hand side of the city. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}} {{storylink|Ghost in the Machine}} He helped [[Six-Gun]] interrogate Autobots with dinosaur [[alternate mode]]s (namely the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] and [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]]) over the theft of famous monuments worldwide, since "[[dinosaur transform static]]" (no, really) had been found at the scenes of the crimes. {{storylink|Thief in the Night}}

When the [[Decepticon]]s attacked Metroplex with a sonic weapon from the planet [[Eurythma]], Scamper (in his only robot-mode appearance) sounded the alarm and eagerly returned fire on the villains. However, he was struck down by the devastating harmonics along with Metroplex. {{storylink|Carnage in C-Minor}}

Later, Scamper and Slammer discovered [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] stealing Metroplex's [[transformation cog]], and reacted with disbelief at the possibility of an invader. Demanding identification and an explanation from the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticon]], Scamper found himself sent sprawling when Swindle blew up the ramp he was traveling on and made good his escape. {{storylink|The Ultimate Weapon}}

{{note|Some additional animation of Scamper and Slammer driving through Metroplex can be seen in the [[Secret Files of Teletraan II|secret file]] for Metroplex and Trypticon at the conclusion of "[[The Quintesson Journal]]". This animation is unique amongst that used in these trailers as it does not appear anywhere else in the series.}}

====''The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers''====
[[File:TheTransformersManga3 Scamper.jpg|125px|thumb|Scamper transforms to sit on children.]]
After an attack on [[Autobot City]] by [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]], things weren't looking good for [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] ''or'' his belly full of [[Autobot]]s and [[Human]]s. With the big guy taking it on the chin, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] deployed Scamper into battle. The humans within Metroplex rejoiced at Scamper's arrival, however, [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] was prepared for him. The Decepticon immediately launched [[Full-Tilt]] into battle and he made short work of Scamper.

Luckily for Scamper, Metroplex and everybody else, [[Six-Gun]] made the scene and successfully drove Trypticon away by turning the power of the [[Brunt (G1)|Brunt tank]] against him. {{storylink|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers issue 3|The Transformers #3}}
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===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
Scamper is the drone-like "page" of [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]], who uses Metroplex as his base. {{storylink|Ironing Out the Details}} On an abandoned [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], he was sent to bring the newly revived [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] to Alpha Trion. Scamper continuously repeated the phrase "You-Must-Come-Now!" to an unconscious Ironhide until he woke up. After Ironhide agreed to come, Scamper transformed and instructed Ironhide to "Follow." Even though Ironhide tried to strike up a conversation with this vocabulary-challenged stranger, Scamper would only repeat his last phrase over and over again. Ironhide continued to try to chat until they arrived at Metroplex. {{storylink|Iron in the Blood}}

As Alpha Trion met with Ironhide, he apologized for Scamper's absence upon his revival, as Scamper was on another mission for him at the time. After some maintenance work from Alpha Trion, Scamper followed Ironhide to a broken bridge where an [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Autobot]] lay beneath the rubble. When asked for assistance in Ironhide's endeavor, Scamper did not respond. {{storylink|Ironing Out the Details}} Scamper was watching when Ironhide's patience ran out and he delivered a right hook to Alpha Trion, and responded by exclaiming "Danger!" several times. He then came with Alpha Trion and Metroplex as they left into space for parts unknown.
{{storylink|Any Old Iron}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[File:G1Scamper toy.jpg|300px|thumb|No, not [[Dark Hot Rod|Black Rodimus]].]]
*'''Metroplex''' (Autobot City, 1986)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''C-70'''
**''Accessories'': Pistol

: Available only with [[Metroplex (G1)#Generation 1|Metroplex]], Scamper transforms from a six-wheeled Cybertronic sports car to robot; he is entirely black, with absolutely no paint applications in either mode, and only an Autobot sticker on his chest for color. The two electro-blaster guns mounted on his roof are removed for transformation and inserted into his shoulders to form his arms, and the robot has its own, small particle beam pistol weapon. Scamper interacts with Metroplex in the same way as other [[Mini Vehicle]]s, fitting into his various parking spots, although ironically ''not'' the one that the cartoon showed him sitting in. Usually, the figure is kept in the garage in the larger robot's chest, from which he can be deployed and sent rolling down a ramp to ground level with the push of a lever.

: The same mold was used for [[Metrodash]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Autobot/Metroplex/metroplex.htm More information on Scamper (with Metroplex) at TFU.info]''
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===Generations===
[[File:Generations 30 Legends Scamper.jpg|300px|thumb|]]
*'''Metroplex''' (Titan Class, 2013)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''TG23'''
**''Accessories'': Twin-barreled blaster

:Included with [[Metroplex (G1)#Generations|Titan Class Metroplex]], ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations:]] [[Thrilling 30]]'' [[Legends Class]] Scamper transforms into a six-wheeled Cybertronic sports car with side-mounted cannons. Unlike his original incarnation, you don't have to pop off his arms to get him into either mode this time. He comes with a twin-barreled blaster which can peg onto his hands and back/roof via [[5mm post]]. He uses a [[sticker]] for his hood/chest [[insignia]].

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*'''Metroplex''' (Titan Class, 2013)
**'''01 OF 30'''
**''Accessories:'' Twin-barreled blaster

:An [[exclusive]] version of [[Metroplex (G1)#SDCC|Titan Class Metroplex]] was made available at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2013, and also comes with Scamper. The only known difference is that his hood/chest sticker is metallic.

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[[File:Generationstoy-T30-Scamper-HKACGCON.jpg|300px|thumb|]]
*'''Metroplex''' (Titan Class, 2013)
**'''05 OF 30'''
**''Accessories:'' Twin-barreled blaster

:Another exclusive version of [[Metroplex (G1)#HKACGCON|Titan Class Metroplex]] was made available at [[Hong Kong ACG-CON]] 2013, and also comes with Scamper. There are no known differences between this version and the mass-retail release outdide of the metallic stickers including the chest sticker on Scamper.

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==Notes==
* In the [[Letters page (Marvel UK)|Marvel UK comics Letters Page]], [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] noted that he didn't consider robots like Scamper, Slammer and Six-Gun (who are extensions of Metroplex's personality) to 'count' as separate beings. ''Bear in mind:'' Grimlock is an insensitive exhaust vent.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Scamper''' (スキャンパー ''Sukyanpā'')
*''French:'' '''Allégro''' (Canada)

==External links==
*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Metroplex Metroplex's ''Universe'' profile (including Scamper) at NFTA.net]

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Talk:Skystalker (G1)

2013-07-26T11:51:48Z

Argus:

Question: If the Thunder Arrow pilot is identical to Skystalker, has no specific name, and has never been used or seen in fiction, why are we assuming it's a different character than Skystalker? Wouldn't Occam's Razor suggest that they're the same guy? This seems like an article just for the sake of having an article. For that matter, why is the Thunder Arrow at a different page than the interstellar shuttle? Aren't they essentially the same thing? We don't have separate pages for, say, Scorponok and Megazarak, and they seem far more different than the Thunder Arrow and the interstellar shuttle. --[[User:Joefan|Joefan]] 19:18, 13 November 2012 (EST)
:I think this is a pretty compelling argument for a couple of merges.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:55, 13 November 2012 (EST)
:I assume the reason is that from ''Chōjin Masterforce'' onward, the Japanese characters are given their own character pages as a general rule. [[Holi]] is on a different page than [[Stakeout (G1)]] for example. I think it makes sense. The Japanese fiction splits pretty far and nobody seems to be the same character in Japan somewhere around ''the Headmasters'' era. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:46, 13 November 2012 (EST)
::We do sometimes assume that. I get Masterforce, where they have different names, origins, often colors. But with Micromasters, we tend to assume they're the same guy unless the name or faction changes. [[Wheel Blaze]], for instance, isn't split up.--[[User:Joefan|Joefan]] 12:13, 14 November 2012 (EST)
:The two are incompatible with opposing functions. One is a shuttle transport for little Micromasters, the other is a Decepticon-sized mobile base of operations. The Thunder Arrow is a full-sized, specific vessel, while the smaller shuttle is more of a generic craft. The toys are the same because Takara [[repurposing|repurposed]] the Micromaster ship into a Decepticon headquarters. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 13:33, 14 November 2012 (EST)
::Technically, the toy was not repurposed ''in Japan''. It looks to me like the Japanese toy was never anything other than the Thunder Arrow. I oppose the merging of the vehicle pages for the reasons you give. Also, it would be very misleading towards the nature of the US toy if the article name was "Thunder Arrow." I don't have a strong opinion about merging the Micromasters. If he is, he should have a note after the intro paragraph similar to Wheel Blaze's. Something like, {{note|In Japan, this toy was the unnamed, toy-only pilot of the ''Thunder Arrow''.}} - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:35, 14 November 2012 (EST)
:::Assuming that's an accurate statement of events, I support the merge. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:43, 15 November 2012 (EST)
::One is big, one is small? But we don't have separate articles for Fortress Maximus (Marvel) and Fortress Maximus (Sunbow). One is the same size as Optimus, the other is a city. Thunder Arrow / unnamed shuttle are both powerful extremely powerful ships used to transport Decepticons from one place to another. We've in the past given articles names based on Japan when there is no US name. Brigadoon comes to mind. To say one is repurposed seems like an odd assumption. I'd just assume they gave it a cool name.--[[User:Joefan|Joefan]] 02:19, 15 November 2012 (EST)
:::It's not simply that one's big and one's small. The Thunder Arrow is meant to be a very specific vessel, one that serves the purpose of being a base of operations. The Interstellar Shuttle is just a random craft used simply as a means of transport. And this case differs from Brigadoon as "Interstellar Shuttle" (as generic as that name sounds) is that shuttle's official U.S. name. But it doesn't fit with the Thunder Arrow because the Thunder Arrow is not a measly shuttle, but a full-fledged starship. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 15:31, 15 November 2012 (EST)
::::Maybe I'm being naive, but how do you know any of that? As for the name, it's not called that in the tech spec or in the instructions. See [http://www.tfw2005.com/resources/1989-decepticons-44/skystalker-339/] and [http://www.tfw2005.com/resources/attach/1/skystalker_1191380003.jpg]. It doesn't call it that on the box either. As far as I can tell, it's labeled interstellar shuttle in one place only, the Dreamwave profiles books. Even then it's all lower case, which argues against that being a proper name but instead a description. The tech spec also states that it's both heavily armed and "fearsome" which implies to me that it's not just a "random craft used simply as a means of transport." It also "rockets across galaxies" which sounds to me like a full-fledged starship.--[[User:Joefan|Joefan]] 21:14, 15 November 2012 (EST)
:::::I concede on jumping the gun on the shuttle's "official" U.S. name. That was a mistake on my part. However, a shuttle is not a starship, no matter how fearsome it is. All that talk in the bio about shuttle being this awesomely powerful thing that can go across galaxies was likely originally meant [[to sell toys|to sell the toy]] since kids liked/like that kind of sci-fi stuff. Such exaggerations [[Solar system#Those poor, confused writers|are not unheard of]] in TF media,. But still, the two are of an entirely different class of spacecraft. Shuttles are a lower class than starships. Like, one wouldn't consider the Enterprise a shuttle, right? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 21:50, 15 November 2012 (EST)
::::::The Maximals flew the Ark's emergency shuttle all the way from Earth to Cybertron. I would promote caution in over-relying on the semantics of the word "shuttle". -[[User:LV|LV]] 22:33, 15 November 2012 (EST)
:::::::What he said.
:::::::Seriously, though, I definitely wouldn't consider the Enterprise a shuttle, but it seems to me that you're being very selective by dismissing virtually everything that's every been published about the craft and focusing entirely on the word "shuttle." The tech specs and More Than Meets The Eye both talk about how fearsome and well armed it is. The Micromasters miniseries features it (barely) as transporting Skystalker to many different solar systems, at the very least. None of those are what I'd consider the actions of a "shuttle", which Bing defins as ''route taken or vehicle used: the route taken or the aircraft, bus, or train used to travel frequently between two places, often relatively near each other.'' Wouldn't it be more sensible to assume that "shuttle" is the misnomer here and it is, in fact, the fearsomely armed starship that bios and fiction alike depict it being?--[[User:Joefan|Joefan]] 22:36, 15 November 2012 (EST)
::::::::: One major thing here. You brought up Fortress Maximus as an example because of his drastically different interpretations between the cartoon and the Marvel comics, but the thing about that is: he's still Fortress maximus. Those are just different interpretations of the same character, that take place in different continuities, but they are still Fortress Maximus. The "Thunder Arrow pilot" has no fiction to support him being Skystalker. And Skystalker's ship has never been identified or done any of the jobs that the Thunder Arrow did. The Thunder Arrow was Deathsauras's ship in the Victory cartton and the Decepticon base in that cartoon, Skystalker's vessel has flown around with maybe 2 or 3 micromasters as passangers, and has never shown indication of ever being used by an Emporer of Destruction. Yes, I agree that "Thunder Arrow pilot" has no fiction or personality, but it is better for the Wiki to er on the side of caution and keep him seaperate from Skystalker. He is most likely a seaperate character for one simple reason. Skystalker commands his vessel, while "Thunder Arrow pilot" just drove it around for Deathsauras. [[User:Stevo|Stevo]] 08:45, 16 November 2012 (EST)
::::::::::I guess the question is, why is one a different interpertation of the same character but the other not? If you don't like my Fortress Maximus example, how about Megazarak / Scorponok? They have different names, radically different sizes, different origins, different species... but they share a toy. Now, you say "Thunder Arrow pilot" just drove around the "Thunder Arrow"... but why would you say that? Because we named him "Thunder Arrow pilot"? That name never appeared anywhere except here, and yet you find yourself making assumptions about his role because of it. "Thunder Arrow pilot" never did anything ever.
::::::::::Maybe I'm wrong. I'm newish here. But it seems like the default assumption should be that, if two characters share a toy in two different market, the default assumption should probably be that they're the same guy. Now, if there's a good reason why they can't be the same guy, then it makes sense to split. A good example is all the Masterforce characters who have different names, origins, and often colors. A slightly less good example is the Decepticon Micromasters who became Autobots in Zone. Generally they share a name and a body but not a faction. But the Thunder Arrow and associated Micromaster (again, "pilot" was a word we applied which is already influencing how Stevo percieves his roll) we have the same toy, the same faction, and the same general role. There isn't even a name contradiction as Skystalker's ship isn't named, and Thunder Arrow's Micromaster isn't named. It seems to me that Skystalker and the Thunder Arrow Micromaster share more in common than Marvel Comics Scorponok and Headmasters Megazarak.
::::::::::I'll grant that it's a judgment call. But, that being the case, it seems like it'd be a more useful judgment to combine them. I don't really see the case for erring "on the side of caution." Neither one is more or less accurate, but it seems more useful to combine them, get rid of clutter, and consolidate the information all in one place.--[[User:Joefan|Joefan]] 11:26, 16 November 2012 (EST)

Ehmm AFAIK the mailaway is just the western toy people. Fiction never gives the guy a name but on the box it is still Skystalker?
[[User:Argus|Argus]] 07:51, 26 July 2013 (EDT)

Blacker

2012-09-12T09:32:18Z

Argus: /* Victory cartoon */

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:''Blacker is an [[Autobot]] [[Brainmaster]] from the [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (franchise)|Victory]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

[[Image:Blacker.jpg|right|300px|thumb|I don't have time to have a PC name.]]
'''Blacker''' (ブラッカー ''Burakkā'') is the commanding officer of the [[Brainmaster]]s car trio and [[Second-in-command|second in rank]] to [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]] among the [[Earth]] [[Autobot]]s. Blacker is possibly the most experienced warrior among the Autobots on Earth, making him one of the most respected Autobots around, and Blacker takes this reputation very seriously. He is constantly trying to set a proper example for his fellow warriors, but as he's not really a people person, he does so in the bluntest, curtest manner imaginable. This failure to pull any metaphorical punches leaves him coming off very patronizing, particularly in the eyes of [[Wingwaver]] and the [[Multiforce]], but most Autobots take this in stride and tell them to do the same. Regardless, Blacker really couldn't care less what others think of him, and he doesn't let their opinions impede him in his duties—in fact, he is more than willing to put himself at risk for the sake of others and has been crippled several times doing so.

As a Brainmaster, Blacker possesses incredible skill, strength, intelligence and courage. Among the group, Blacker exemplifies strength in particular; his smallest robot form is the '''Brain of Strength''' (力のブレイン ''Chikara no Brain''), which combines with a [[Transtector]] that transforms into a dune buggy. In this mode, Blacker can expand his tires and fire their needle-like studs at his enemies in a technique known as the "Needle Wheel Attack". Blacker combines with his fellow Brainmasters [[Braver]] and [[Laster]] into [[Road Caesar]], forming both the torso and arms of the super robot.

==Fiction==
===Cartoon continuity===
====''Victory'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Kōji Totani]] (Japanese)

[[Image:Brainmaster trio cartoon.jpg|left|250px|thumb|Seen here with Redder and Yellower.]]
In the run-up to the year 2025, Blacker was the commander of the "Sector One" contingent of the [[Galactic Defense Force]], protecting [[Earth]] and other planets in his sector from the renewed threat of the [[Decepticon]]s and their emperor, [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]]. When Deathsaurus began focusing his attacks on Sector One, Autobot [[Supreme Commander]] Star Saber decided to take command of Blacker's forces himself, with Blacker operating under him as his Lieutenant Commander. As they were old friends, this didn't bother Blacker in the slightest. {{storylink|The Brave Hero of the Universe - Star Saber}}

On the day that Star Saber was due to arrive to take command, Blacker was seeing visiting Sector Two commander [[Ginrai|God Ginrai]] off when [[Holi]] and Star Saber's human son [[Jean Minakaze|Jean]] informed him that the Decepticons' [[Dinoforce]] had attacked the human [[Lunar Base (Victory)|Lunar Base]] on Earth's [[Moon (moon)|moon]]. Blacker, Braver and Laster immediately headed to the Moon and engaged the bumbling villains in combat, during which Braver was knocked into a chasm, leaving the team unable to combine into Road Caesar. Luckily, Star Saber arrived to save the day. {{storylink|The Brave Hero of the Universe - Star Saber}} The Brainmasters subsequently battled [[Dinoking]] in space while the staff of the lunar base were transported back to Earth aboard the Autobots' [[Shuttle Base]]. {{storylink|Sneak Attack! Dinoking}}

With the Shuttle Base now established as their Earth-based headquarters, the Autobots set about scanning the planet for Decepticon activity. The first attack came on Jean's first day at school, when the Dinoforce and [[Leozack]] pursued Star Saber to the school and attacked. Blacker and the other Brainmasters arrived on the scene to aid their commander and merged into Road Caesar, defeating Dinoking while Star Saber dealt with the [[Breastforce]]r. {{storylink|Attack! Leozack}} The trio later battled the Breastforce at a desert energy plant, {{storylink|Unite!! Multiforce}} and again combined into Road Caesar to battle Dinoking once more at the Ocean Exhibition amusement park. {{storylink|Move Out! Rescue Team}}

[[Image:Blacker and wingwaver.jpg|right|230px|thumb|If I was any blacker, they'd have to call me Dolemite.]]
When Wingwaver volunteered to join Laster and Braver on a mission to rescue humans trapped in the Neo Uranium mines, Blacker cautioned the over-eager "kid" that he might lose his life in the process. Wingwaver was adamant on going, grumbling to Laster and Braver about Blacker's patronizing attitude all the way, but when the mission resulted in success, Blacker was first to congratulate Wingwaver on a job well done. {{storylink|Infiltration... The Uranium Mine}} That didn't really do much to improve their relationship, however; Blacker still doubted Wingwaver's judgment and later insisted that he be allowed to lead the Multiforce on a mission into the Amazon to locate a Decepticon energy base. Infuriated by Blacker's consistently condescending commands, Wingwaver wound up striking a tree in his anger, startling a flock of birds and inadvertently giving away the Autobots' position to the Decepticons. In the ensuing attack, Blacker risked life and limb hauling [[Dashtacker]] out of a river when he got stuck in its muddy bed, and then broke off from the Multiforce to lead the pursuing Dinoforce away from them. Guilty over his mistake, Wingwaver followed Blacker and aided him in holding off the Dinoforce. With the two Autobots keeping the Dinoforce busy, Star Saber was able to destroy the Decepticons' energy base. Blacker wrote off the shambles the mission had descended into on his own carelessness. Star Saber could clearly see that he was attempting to cover for Wingwaver, but said nothing, merely requesting that Blacker stop referring to Wingwaver as a "kid". {{storylink|Explosion!! The Energy Base}}

[[Image:Blacker legstab.jpg|left|300px|thumb|The moral of the story? Blacker is effing hardcore.]]
Blacker later accompanied Star Saber and the other Brainmasters on a mission into the tunnels of an American subway system, where he battled Leozack and [[Killbison]] in the confined quarters. {{storylink|Big City - Underground Terror}} When the Breastforce were joined by [[Hellbat (Victory)|Hellbat]], Blacker and the Brainmasters ambushed the sneaky new warrior, only to fall victim to the full force of his hypnotic wave power. Never one to allow risks to his health to deter him, Blacker ''stabbed himself in the freaking leg with his own damn sword'' to keep the waves from making him drowsy, but was then attacked by Hellbat's [[Kōmoribreast]]. Braver saved him by redirecting a blast from Killbison's cannons, and then used his recently invented brainwave scanner to scramble the Decepticons' brains and force them to flee. {{storylink|The New Warrior - Hellbat}}

After escorting an oil tanker safely into port, {{storylink|Attack the Shuttle Base!!}} Blacker discovered that oil tankers seemed to be the order of the day, as he soon found himself attempting to thwart a Decepticon plot to steal fuel from the tanker ''Big Baron''. Grappling with the cowardly Dinoforcer [[Kakuryū]], Blacker forced him to reveal that the Breastforce were planning to destroy [[Marine City]] with a neutron bomb if the tanker was not delivered to them. Heading out to sea and clinging to the side of the tanker, Blacker was able to spy on the villains and learn the hidden location of the bomb. With this information, the Autobots were able to find and defuse the bomb and rout the Decepticons once again. {{storylink|Tanker Hijack Operation}} Later, oil tankers were still all the rage, as Blacker and the Brainmasters again stopped the Breastforce from purloining fuel from a fleet of them. {{storylink|Rescue Jean!!}}

[[Image:Blacker disarmed.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Yo mamma's so Blacker, when she steps outside, the phone rates go down!]]
When Star Saber ventured into the asteroid belt to expose a hidden Decepticon kidnapping operation, he soon called in Blacker and the Brainmasters to help rescue the captive humans while he battled the Decepticons. {{storylink|A Fierce Battle!! The Asteroid}} The Brainmasters and Multiforce were subsequently left to protect Earth alone while Star Saber headed off to planet [[Micro]], but the Breastforce had also left the planet, meaning they only had the Dinoforce to deal with. Not exactly a challenge. {{storylink|Rescue! Guyhawk}} Upon the return of both groups from space, Blacker and the Brainmasters found themselves merging into Road Caesar to go up against the Breastforce's combined form of [[Liokaiser]]. {{storylink|Battle Up of Wrath!!}}

Lured into the desert by the Breastforce, Blacker suddenly found himself fighting alone when Laster and Braver's heavy vehicle modes caused them to sink beneath the shifting sands, just as the villains had planned. As a dune buggy, Blacker was able to manoeuvre just fine, but found himself badly outnumbered and at the mercy of the Breastforce until the wandering samurai Autobot [[Greatshot]] arrived to help him. When Greatshot was nearly overwhelmed, Blacker leapt to his aid, but had his arm blown off by Decepticon fire. Fortunately, Star Saber arrived to pluck Braver and Laster out of the sand so that they could get Blacker to safety while he dispatched the Decepticons. {{storylink|Crisis! Ambush in the Desert}}

[[Image:Blacker wounded.jpg|left|205px|thumb|Yo mamma's so Blacker, when she sits in the hot tub, the water turns to coffee!]]
With both Blacker and Star Saber injured, the Decepticons increased the frequency of their attacks, until Star Saber was left with no choice but to go into battle despite his wounds. He instructed Braver and Laster to keep this fact from the invalid Blacker, but Blacker easily wrung the truth from his subordinates and promptly pulled rank on them, ordering them to join Star Saber in battle while he looked after the Shuttle Base alone. {{storylink|A Deadly Battle}} A little later, his wounds healed somewhat, Blacker decided it was time to get back into action and joined the Multiforce and [[Rescue Patrol Team]] in battling the Dinoforce in Cheyenne. His transformation systems were still a little rough, though, as he found out when he attempted to transform in mid-air and failed. Ever proud, Blacker refused first aid from [[Pīpō]] and got on with the fighting, but ultimately, the Autobots were stretched too thin and were defeated. {{storylink|Ginrai Dies!!|Ginrai Dies!!}} Even though this had proven he was not entirely over his injuries, Blacker was all set to go into battle with the Decepticons on "[[Energy Road]]" in America, but Star Saber stopped him and sent [[Victory Leo]] instead. {{storylink|Fight!! Victory Leo}}

Blacker was finally healed by the time Deathsaurus unleashed his newest weapon: super smart-missiles launched from an orbital weapons platform that could strike anywhere on Earth faster than the Autobots could react. Forced to stay their hands and allow the Decepticons to carry out energy thefts for fear of explosive reprisal, Blacker and the Brainmasters had to speed to Pakistan to inform Victory Leo of the situation before he attacked the Dinoforce. Unable to do anything but watch the Dinoforce steal right in front of them, the Brainmasters were pushed to the breaking point, until Star Saber and Victory Leo revealed their new power: They combined into Victory Saber and outraced Deathsaurus's missile launch system, successfully destroying it and freeing up the Brainmasters to make short work of the Decepticons. {{storylink|The Tide Is Turned! The Ultimate Weapon, the Victory Unification}}

[[Image:Brainmasters vs victoryleo.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Yo mamma's so Blacker, when she gets in a car, the oil light turns on!]]
While Star Saber was off-planet attending a [[Galactic Peace Alliance]] conference, Leozack exploited his absence by donning an exo-skeleton that allowed him to pose as the Autobot leader and infiltrate the Shuttle Base. Victory Leo could tell that something was not right, but Blacker and the Brainmasters would not hear his allegations. They were nearly duped into attacking Victory Leo by the faux Star Saber, but the return of the real deal and the exposure of Leozack's plot left them eating crow. {{storylink|A Mystery?! The Deception of the Base Bombs}} Later, the Brainmasters came to Star Saber's rescue when the Decepticons attacked him with the metal-eating [[Doriya]] insects, and they suffered the pain of the bugs' bite themselves before it was discovered that intense cold stopped the little critters. {{storylink|The Death-Bringing Space Insects!!}}

[[Image:Brainmasters tidalwave rescue.jpg|left|230px|thumb|Yo mamma's so Blacker, she went to night school and was marked absent!]]
Blacker and the Brainmasters aided in relief efforts for the coastal cities devastated by tidal waves caused by the Decepticons' raising of [[Atlantis]], {{storylink|The Terror of the Giant Tidal Waves}} and then headed out into space alongside [[Greatshot]] to serve as the first line of defence against Deathsaurus's [[Planet-Destroying Fortress]], which had finally been reactivated by the energy stolen from the sunken continent. The Brainmasters combined into Road Caesar, but were no match for the fortress's power, so they were sent back to Earth to recuperate by Victory Saber when he arrived to take up the fight. {{storylink|The Wrath of the Resurrected Giant Fortress!}} The team's injuries prevented them from aiding their commander in the final battle with the fortress, but in the end, Star Saber emerged victorious and destroyed the planet-killing weapon.

With the threat of Deathsaurus at last ended and Star Saber fulfilling his duties as Supreme Commander, Blacker, Braver and Laster were appointed joint commanders of the Sector One defense force. {{storylink|Showdown! The Fortress vs the Victory Unification}}
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====''Zone'' cartoon====
When the injured Star Saber appointed Autobot [[Powered Master]] [[Dai Atlas (Zone)|Dai Atlas]] the new Supreme Commander, Blacker, Laster and Braver were all present, standing on stage in their combined form of Road Caesar. {{storylink|Enter the New Supreme Commander, Dai Atlas!}}

===''Victory'' comic===
[[Image:Blacker victories.jpg|left|325px|thumb|Yo mamma's so Blacker, when she rides a motorcycle, she gets a ticket for tinted windows!]]
When Deathsaurus began his campaign against the Earth in 2025, Blacker and the Brainmasters didn't roll onto the battlefield right away, being instructed by Star Saber to remain behind on [[Victory (planet)|Planet V]] while he and the Multiforce took on Deathsaurus and the Dinoforce. {{storylink|Magnificent! Our Friend, Star Saber!|Magnificent! Our Friend, Star Saber!}} They later got their chance to join the fighting when Deathsaurus started a massive forest fire, but even as Road Caesar, they were thrashed by the Decepticon Emperor thanks to the power boost he gained by absorbing energy from the fire. {{storylink|Great Turn-Around! Star Saber}}

Travelling from Earth to Planet V, Blacker was greeted upon arrival by [[Shūta Gō]] and [[Cab]], two old human allies of the Autobots who had befriended Star Saber's son, Jean. Together with Jean, the young lads had formed the "Autobot Boy Team" known as the [[Victories]], donning armor based on the Brainmasters. Eyeing Shūta and Cab's Braver- and Laster-inspired suits, Blacker grinned at the assumption Jean was wearing a suit based on him, only to have his dreams quashed by the revelation that Jean was wearing armor styled after Star Saber. {{storylink|The Star of Friendship, Jean and Star Saber!}}

[[Image:Blacker and solon.jpg|right|225px|thumb|Yo mamma's so Blacker, when she goes swimming, it looks like an oil spill!]]
Combined as Road Caesar, the Brainmasters arrived in time to see the tail end of Star Saber's battle with Deathsaurus, Dinoking and Liokaiser, which was won thanks to the sudden arrival of Victory Leo, with whom Star Saber combined to form Victory Saber. {{storylink|The Strongest Partners, the Combination of Victory!}} When Deathsaurus tried to counter the power of this combination by creating a mech for his own human cyborg son [[Solon Kitakaze (Victory)|Solon]], Blacker and the Brainmasters delivered an intelligence report to Star Saber informing him of what the villain was up to. In the ensuing battle, Solon was confronted with the truth of his human heritage, {{storylink|Mighty! Victory Saber}} and in the midst of a later conflict, Blacker approached the boy on the battlefield in an attempt to convince him further to do the right thing. Solon had always considered himself apart from humans and the Earth because of his cyborg body, but Blacker confronted him with the fact that being human was so much more than simply being organic or mechanical. Leaving Solon with this wisdom and a suit of Victories armor crafted in his own likeness, Blacker sped off to rejoin the battle, but his words were soon revealed to have struck home, as Solon turned on his Decepticon father and joined up with the Victories, choosing to fight to save his homeworld. The united forces of the Autobots and Victories then performed the "Five Stars of Victory" attack, with each of the Victories transferring their power into their Autobot counterpart for a super-charged attack. Solon channelled his strength into Blacker, and together, the power of the attack took out both Deathsaurus and Liokaiser in one blast. {{storylink|Shine! The Five Stars of Victory}}

When Deathsaurus unleashed his "Space Stronghold" upon the Earth, Blacker and the Brainmasters joined in the united Autobot attack against it, but were left dumbfounded when they discovered that the fortress was actually home to the Decepticons' families, and that all along, the Decepticons had been committing their evil deeds in order to keep those families safe. Inspired by the example their two sons had set, Star Saber and Deathsaurus declared a truce, and peace came to the Transformers... the truest victory of all! {{storylink|Heroic! The Victory War}}
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===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:Brainmasters dreamwave.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Yo mamma's so Blacker, she got her tattoo done in chalk!]]
Blacker, Braver and Laster were all seen on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], looking out a window while [[Electro]] and [[Volt]] sat and talked nearby. {{storylink|Atonement}}
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===''Wings Universe''===
Blacker and the [[Fast Attack Team]] were on hand to defend Elite Guard headquarters with [[Sentinel Major]] when the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]] returned leading [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]]'s troops. {{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 5}}

==Toys==
===Victory===
*'''Blacker''' (1989)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''C-320'''[[Image:Blacker g1toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Not just Black, but not quite Blackest.]]
**''Accessories'': "Brain of Strength" Brainmaster figure, sword, blaster/Road Caesar head, shield/Road Caesar chestplate

: Blacker transforms into a racing buggy with oversized studded tires. His transformation is notably simplistic for his size, but is a consequence of the Brainmaster gimmick which dominates his torso. Placing the small "Brain of Strength" figure into the open chest cavity then closing the plate pushes the inner core of the small robot up, forming the larger robot's face. As with the other Brainmasters, the Brain of Strength is designed to look like a miniature version of Blacker's larger robot mode. While Blacker is in vehicle mode, the Brain of Strength rides in his hinged cockpit.

:Blacker is equipped with quite a few weapons, coming with a sword, a double-barrelled blaster, and a shield that mounts on his arm. When Blacker is in vehicle mode, his shield and blaster combine to form an elaborate weapons array that mounts on his roof. Blacker also combines with Laster and Braver (sold separately) to form Road Caesar, and his weapons form integral parts of the super robot; his blaster transforms into Road Caesar's head, his shield becomes his chestplate, and his sword combines with those of his teammates to create a large blade for Road Caesar to wield. The team's combination is rather non-standard, with Blacker forming everything above the knees.

: Reportedly, there is a variation on the Brainmaster figure: Initial releases of the toy gave the large robot face yellow optics, while later releases gave it the cartoon-Autobot medium blue.

: This mold was later used to make [[Gripper (G1)|Gripper]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1989/Cybertron/Blacker/blacker.htm Blacker at TFU.info]''

*'''Road Caesar''' (Multi-pack, 1989)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''C-323'''

: Blacker, Braver and Laster were available in Japan both in individual boxes and in a complete Road Caesar gift-set.

==Notes==
[[Image:Victory blacker.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Blink and you'll... nope, sorry, you missed it.]]
*The Brainmasters, despite it being their central toy gimmick, never use their smaller robot components in the anime outside of stock footage sequences. Because he's the leader of the team and the star of their stock footage sequence, Blacker has the most shots of his brain unit visible in these cut scenes—including the ''only'' close-up shot of any kind from the trio's brain units. This shot appears for about one second.
*Blacker's Brainmaster figure has for years been (and continues to be) incorrectly referred to by fans with the names "Riki" and "Sala", mistakenly derived from Japanese words meaning "strength" (力 ''chikara''). In truth, like all Brainmaster units, it does not have a proper name, but is known simply by the title used in this article, the "Brain of Strength".

===Foreign names===
*''English:'' '''Roader''' ([[Omni Productions]] dub), '''Gripper''' ([[Shout! Factory]] sub)

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[[Category:Victory Autobots]]
[[Category:Wings Universe Autobots]]

Talk:Laster

2012-09-11T20:28:53Z

Argus:

Just wondering how we ended at Laster for a name here as the box itself has Raster as the english version. This seems to fir better with Rasutā as well.

[[User:Argus|Argus]] 16:28, 11 September 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Laster

2012-09-11T20:28:37Z

Argus: New page: Just wonder how we ended at Laster for a name here as the box itself has Raster as the english version. This seems to fir better with Rasutā as well. ~~~~

Just wonder how we ended at Laster for a name here as the box itself has Raster as the english version. This seems to fir better with Rasutā as well.

[[User:Argus|Argus]] 16:28, 11 September 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Genesis: The Art of Transformers

2012-07-23T09:22:08Z

Argus: /* G'day again */

== G'day again ==
Yo. PacifistPrime here again. I'm planning to write this article, but if someone else beats me to it, go right ahead. In any case I'd be greaful for any info on it's wierd publication history; it was originally sollicited as being a compendium of original G1 box/techspec art with the Metroplex-year boxback art for its cover, but what we got instead (for better or worse) was a collection of schmick artworks, mostly new and some seemingly made specially for the book. And then there was the whole issue of how it was clearly marked as "volume one", but there never was another. Was this a 3H thing?
Later, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

:I don't know all the details but I remember suzzily something like this: First I heard of it, it was as one volume including BOTH original design/package art and new "fanart." IIRC. Then there were problems with getting some of the original design art (I remember somthing about Dery refusing to be a part of things because of some of his usual wierdness or other). So the book was split into two volumes: first 1) "Fanart" and then when it was ready 2) Designs/production art. Only the first vol. came out though, and even that came out with a LOT of controversy as bookstores got plenty of copies ('s where I got mine. Wish I'd ordered a few more) but folks who ordered it directly from the makers were stiffed. Thier money was in effect stolden, the company stopped communicating, and the book was never shipped to them. Nameless to say after that debackle vol. 2 never materialized. Though IDW now has a book of some design stuff comming out that may fill some of the void. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 13:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

::A few months back on eBay, someone listed what appeared to be a mock-up of the full version of Genesis. In addition to the Hasbro/Takara art that was 'specially scanned in', there were also full-color pages of 80s Japanese-commissioned art from Studio OX. Some of the commissioned fanart for the first volume never made print as well. I specifically recall a toy-accurate Jetfire illustration that was omitted (speculation was that it was due to it being a Bandai design). Additionally, although I'm not sure what the present situation is, last I heard there were quite a few artists who were commissioned to do pieces for Genesis that were never paid, a la Dreamwave.[[User:Jon T|Jon T]] 11:25, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

:As one of the artists involved in the book, I can give you some details on its history from my perspective. Sebastien Clavet used to run vandermagnus.com, a gallery of TF fan-art from across the Web. He had very good taste; it was THE place to see the best fan-art, featuring huge collections of artists like Don Figueroa, Makoto "Makotron" Ono, and Guido Guidi - before DW had found any of them. And in 2001, he decided to create an art-book to showcase all this talent. He commissioned new art from his favorite fan-artists (myself included) and started jumping through hoops for Hasbro's approval. As far as I could tell, it was only after Hasbro became involved that the notion of including "official" art (like production art, promo pieces, etc.) was introduced. That led to the idea of splitting the project into two volumes, but even then, Hasbro didn't want to give Clavet free rein on the "fan-art" book. (Bear in mind that this all comes from what I heard from Clavet, so grain of salt and so forth.) Hasbro dictated that a fair chunk of the book be Mainframe promo images and DW poster/cover reprints, and even the fan-art was pushed towards recognizable marquee G1 characters. I got the impression that I was fairly lucky to slip my MW Starscream pic in there, and then only because it was still Starscream. And of course the content was only part of the battle - I'm really unsure about what happened in the making and distributing of the book, though I know Clavet had to go through DW for some period. I think he may have ditched DW after butting heads with them and gone with Image instead, which is who eventually did publish it. But my memory there is hazy, and certainly I wasn't getting a full picture. When the book finally came out, Clavet sent me comp copies, so I never needed to go through the nightmare of trying to actually ORDER the thing. But I also never got paid, so there you go. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 23:06, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

== Updates post counter suit ==
So, did we ever hear how the lawsuits went or ended up? Being one of those foolish enough to have ordered directly I feel I still feel the urge to find out where my dollars ended up as :P
[[User:Argus|Argus]] 05:22, 23 July 2012 (EDT)

=="Genesis: The Art of Transformers"==
The front cover makes things a little confusing, but the actual title of the book - as shown on the spine, the title page, and the frontispiece - is "Genesis: The Art of Transformers." (Well, technically it's also "Vol. 1" or "Part One," according to the latter two sources respectively. But since there was never a #2...) The use of the TF logo on the cover seems to be a design afterthought, as it's repeated on the back cover without any accompanying subtitles. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:38, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

== Hi-Fi ==

Is the "Hi-Fi" in the contributors list [[Hi-Fi Design]]? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:23, 9 November 2009 (EST)

Talk:Megaplex

2011-12-16T13:09:59Z

Argus:

The article mentions that Megaplex was one of two original characters introduced in the Machine Wars line. Who was the other? Hubcap and Sandstorm both could arguably said to be either "original" or "re-envisioned G1."--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 16:11, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

:[[Hubcap (G1)]] and [[Hubcap (MW)]] appear to be starkly different fellows to me. One's a well-liked popular guy and the other is a creep that loves dead bodies. I'm not really sure how those can reconcile. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:00, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

:: One's a communications officer, the other is a horrible mechanical ghoul. I find the premise that the two are the same very difficult to believe. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:26, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Not that it really matters, but did Megatron really not come with the Gun accessories originally in Japan? Just that, those accessories can be made into a Gun turrent for Microman figures, so that doesn't quite sound right, since he was originally a part of that line.
: He did not come with the fusion cannon, at the very least. He got a sword instead. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:30, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
::The only vintage Japanese Megatron to come with any of the attachments was the Good-Bye Megatron set, which included the fusion cannon. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:05, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

From the article: "Megaplex is a redeco of the original Megatron Walther P-38 pistol toy in the same colors as its original Takara Transformers release" So was the original Megatron in Japan flat gray and blue? I'm having a bit of trouble interpreting this(especially since the Megatron article contradicts it). --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 20:43, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
:Yes, all vintage Japanese Megatron released were flat grey and blue. It wasn't until the reissue that Japan got a chrome/red Megatron. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:04, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
::I believe Goodbye Megatron is red and flat grey, despite being depicted as blue on his packaging (using redrawn boxart, even). -[[User:LV|LV]] 01:12, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
:::It apperes you're right, and it makes sense in a twisted sort of way. The US Megatron boxart is identical to the MC P38 Uncle art aside from the added sigil, and was edited to blue for the red Goodbye Megatron set. Yet the art used for the standard release was repainted from the MC P38 (black) to US megatron colors, complete with the red legs and arms. The VS set got the colors right, though. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:07, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Not sure why the notes make a big deal on the secondary beam cannon mode. It is however NOT a modified version of said mode. Both the larger robot mode and the one for a microman are originally intended for the mold. (Hence handles being there for the robot and for a microman figure)
[[User:Argus|Argus]] 08:09, 16 December 2011 (EST)

Megaplex

2011-12-16T13:08:15Z

Argus: /* Notes */ Not sure why the second particle beam mode is mentioned here as being terribly special. The one used for the TF line and Megaplex is however originally Microchange as well.

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:''Megaplex is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Machine Wars]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

[[Image:MegaplexArt1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|I hear the new Cybertron Megaplex has over 30 screens!]]

'''Megaplex''' is one of a series of specially constructed clones of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. He exists to foment confusion in the [[Autobot]] ranks and protect against traitors among the Decepticons. He has led many battles in Megatron's stead.

While Megaplex is ideally endowed with the same power as the original Megatron, the Decepticons' true leader is no fool. Realizing that a being based so closely on his own nature and with equal power would be quite likely to make a play to permanently replace him, Megatron thus had his clones constructed with a failsafe device that significantly restricts their abilities. Thus, though Megaplex is easily able to pass as Megatron for short periods of time, his intelligence, strength, firepower, and skill are capped at levels significantly below those of the ''real'' Megatron. The deception is likely to work best on the battlefield, from a distance, or when Megaplex is following a strict script set by the original.

Megaplex prefers close-quarters combat, tearing into his opponents with electron sword and energy flail. For artillery he prefers liquid helium "Freeze Shells".
{{TOCclear}}

==Toys==
===Machine Wars===
[[Image:MachineWars Megaplex toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Dr. Doom will sue Megatron for stealing his idea.]]
*'''Megaplex''' (Basic, 1997)
**''Accessories'': 2-piece rifle

: Megaplex was one of two original characters introduced in the ''[[Machine Wars]]'' line. His mold was originally designed, but unused, for the end of ''[[Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]''. He transforms from a [[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes|Lockheed-Martin F-22 Raptor]] fighter jet to robot mode with a spring-loaded one-step transformation. The two halves of his rifle store in the back of his robot-mode legs.

: The ''Machine Wars'' stock photos (and even the packaging art) have Megaplex as the blue jet and Megatron as the gray one, meaning either the package designers got ''everything'' wrong, or the toys were put on the wrong cards. The latter is more likely since gray is more associated with Megatron than blue is.

: This mold is also used by [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Machine Wars|''Machine Wars'' Megatron]], ''[[Beast Wars II (franchise)|Beast Wars II]]'' [[Thrust (BWII)#Toys|Thrust]], ''[[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Wind Sheer (RID)|Wind Sheer]] and ''[[Robot Masters (franchise)|Robot Masters]]'' [[Air Hunter]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1997/Decepticon/Megaplex/megaplex.htm More information on Machine Wars Megaplex at TFU.info]''
{{--}}

===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1 Megaplex toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Primus help us all when the Megaplex army clashes with Starscream's clones.]]
*'''Megaplex''' (Decepticon, 2003)
**''ID number:'' '''93'''
**''Accessories'': "Megasight" scope/"fusion cannon", two-part silencer ("focusing barrel" and "accelerator"), three-part stock ("death charge unit", "saddle", "cannon base"), "energy flail", "high-density infra-red ray laser gun", "electron sword", 20 "Freeze Shell/particle beam" bullets

: Released as an [[e-Hobby]] [[exclusive]], Megaplex is a [[redeco]] of the original Megatron Walther P-38 pistol toy in the same colors as its original [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] ''Transformers'' release, itself a coloration used in the ''[[Microman]]'' line the mold originated in. The spring-loaded firing mechanisms inside both the toy's main body and the stock have also been restored, letting the toy launch [[For safety reasons|choking-hazard-sized projectiles]] in both pistol and robot mode.

: Based on the "[[The Transformers Collection|Transformers Collection]]" [[Generation 1 reissues|reissue]] of Megatron, this version comes with ''all'' of Megatron's accessories. (The original Takara version lacked all of the gun's add-on parts, having only the chromed rifle and sword, and of course the flail is new to the "bookbox" Megatron.) His scope, stock and silencer can combine to form a large "particle beam cannon" artillery mode, or attach to his robot mode to make a huge shoulder-mounted "telescopic laser cannon formation". Both of these modes can fire the small plastic bullets the toy comes with thanks to the spring-loaded "death charge unit" portion of his stock. This piece can also connect to the back of his pistol barrel in robot mode, letting him "shoot from the hip", as it were.

: Preorders for Megaplex closed on [[September 30]] of 2002. Orders were shipped out in December.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Destron/Megaplex/megaplex.htm More information on e-Hobby Megaplex at TFU.info]''
{{--}}

==Notes==
* Megaplex's ''Machine Wars'' packaging art is in fact a color-altered version of the card-art for the [[Predator (subgroup)|Predator]] jet [[Falcon (G1)|Falcon]].
* The e-Hobby Megaplex's "Particle Beam Cannon" accessory configuration can actually also be slightly adaptated to yet another mode used in the original ''Microman'' line; the "saddle" extension that raises the cannon up to robot-height actually plugged into the ''back'' of the cannon vertically. This made a backed seat that Micromen figures could sit on, making it a (Micro-)manned piece of field artillery; the back of the scope even has little flip-out handles for them to hold. The seemingly-nonsensical peg on the side of the "saddle" piece plugs into the back of the ''New Microman''-era figures to secure them. (Modern Micromen are too big.)

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Megaplex''' (メガプレックス ''Megapurekkusu'')

[[Category:Clones]]
[[Category:KB Toys exclusives]]
[[Category:E-Hobby]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Decepticons]]
[[Category:Machine Wars Decepticons]]
[[Category:Toy-only characters]]

Noise Effect

2011-11-11T11:22:07Z

Argus: /* Generation 1 */

{{faction|minicon|autobot|{{factions/icons|custom=Wiki4k.png|cSize=75px|cLink=Transformers Wiki:Milestones}}}}
:''Noise Effect is an [[Autobot]] [[Mini-Con]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:G1-toy NoiseEffectRobot.jpg|right|thumb|300px|]]
'''Noise Effect''' (ノイズイフェクト ''Noizu Ifekuto'') is, well, ''somebody''.

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Noise Effect''' (Mini-Con, 2007)

: A [[redeco]] of the ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' Mini-Con [[Thunderwing (Classics)|Thunderwing]] (who is identical to the ''[[Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' Mini-Con [[Nightscream (Cybertron)|Nightscream]]), Noise Effect transforms into an F-14 Tomcat swing-wing fighter jet.

: Noise Effect is an [[exclusive]] to Ito Yokaido stores, available only on [[July 20]]th, 2007, with the purchase of ''Transformers'' product. The ''exact'' stipulations as to what kind or how ''much'' product are not known at this point.

: This mold was also used to make [[Boltflash]], [[Slingshot (G1)|''Henkei! Henkei!'' Slingshot]] and [[Barrel Roll]].

[[Category:Generation 1 Autobots]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Mini-Cons]]
[[Category:Japanese-original characters]]
[[Category:Japanese promotion exclusives]]
[[Category:Toy-only characters]]

Talk:The Transformers (European toyline)

2011-09-07T11:16:18Z

Argus:

When were the classic green-and-purple Constructicons (in original packaging) released in the UK? I believe it was around 1990-91, but don't know for certain. There were also some Minibots that showed up around this time, again in original packaging: Bumblebee, Seaspray, Beachcomber and possibly others. These might just have been rediscovered stock from 1985/6, but the Constructicons were only available in the UK at this time so they must have been a release of some kind.--[[User:Tribimat|Tribimat]] 14:01, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
:Those might have been the imported Mexican toys that plagued Europe in 1989.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 19:20, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

::The US Constructicons DID come out in the UK at that time with a host of other G1 toys with the Chinese stickers in the corner. Constructicons, Combaticons, Protectobots and several (possibly all) Minibots were being sold alongside the G1/G1.5 stuff in 1991-93 in original G1 packaging at major stores like Woolworths. There may have been other figures too but I didn't see them. --[[User:Specimen-17|Specimen-17]] 13:10, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Started making this page something other than "Toys We Never Got In The USA". Will try to keep details about language variations as short as possible.

I consider a toy "confirmed" released in a specific version when I have seen it in packaging, or at least the corresponding instructions. Exceptions are combiner teams where I haven't seen all members (Hasbro didn't start making a habit out of releasing incomplete combiner teams until Energon), or Italian Astrotrain, where Blitzwing being named "Triplex Due" makes it pretty reasonable that Triplex Uno (Astrotrain) also existed.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 23:01, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll have to remember next time I go to my parents' house but I'm pretty damn sure my Skystalker came in Italian packaging, which if nothing else, has the I-names for some of the other MM bases. (Countdown's was... Uranius, I think. One of 'em was definitely Uranius.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 19:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC), got it sealed for $40 at BC... '01, maybe?

A few things. There was no Gen1 Classics version of Slag? I remember getting all four land Dinobots (poor Swoop) as Classics -- of course my memory isn't evidence... and he might have only seen the light of day in Australia, anyway. Secondly -- Windmill? In what way does he resemble Ultra Magnus? And where does the rumour about Turbo Master come from? Seems like bollocks and speculation based on the design drawings in Generations: Deluxe, to me. --Jhiaxus.

Between this article and the one on Euro Classics, I'm really starting to wonder if someone at Hasbro thought that Australia was in Europe... --[[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 03:47, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

==Scandinavia==
Anyone want to take a stab at adding some info about the Scandinavian countries to this article?--[[User:TVsGrady|TVsGrady]] 23:09, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Japanese mini-franchises ==

I've mocked up a central page for the Japanese mini-franchises at [[User: Khajidha/sandbox]]. It would serve as a main page to place in the franchise nav-box. I'd like to hear any input. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 21:16, 4 April 2010 (EDT)

== Commercials as proof? ==

In my efforts to construct the page for [[Commercial/International|international commercials]], I listed several ads that could be considered proof that certain toys had European releases. After all, why produce and release a commercial for toys you aren't selling? The ads in question would be the [http://www.ina.fr/pub/culture-et-loisirs/video/PUB3784153101/hasbro-transformers-action-masters-jouet-vehicule-figurine-combat.fr.html French ad for Action Master Vehicles] and the [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQwnSrnGxOc German ad for Action Master Optimus Prime]. Since they appear to include brand new footage for Optimus Prime and Megatron, I think we could safely add those as confirmed releases. Not so sure about the other Action Master vehicles though. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 13:10, 2 August 2010 (EDT)

== UK release ==

The initial release of Transformers here in the UK was in 1984. Argos were selling Optimus Prime, Autobot cars and Decepticon 'strike planes' (Seekers) in their autumn/winter 1984 catalogue (I got Optimus Prime and Sideswipe for Christmas in 1984) and Decepticon cassettes were available in WHSmith (I got them up just after Christmas in December 1984). [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 14:03, 28 August 2010 (EDT)

:This is very true. The UK comic launched in mid-September '84, and given that TFs appear in the [http://www.flickr.com/photos/16628151@N03/2958326804/in/faves-66347557@N00/ 1984 Autumn/Winter Argos] they would have to have been available by at least August of that year to be on-sale upon its launch. I've added a 1984 section just for the UK range, and also expanded the 1985 section to document the toys released and unreleased in that year.

:Regarding yellow & red Cliffjumpers & Bumblebees. I know CJ was definitely available in both colours in 1984 and 1985 as I've owned both rub-and pre-rub yellow versions, and they seem common enough. It seems a reasonable extrapolation that the same is true of Bumblebee, since they would be sourced from the same old Microchange toys that were used for the US, but did anyone ever see or own a red Bumblebee that was bought at UK retail? I've never even seen them on eBay UK, nor Bumblejumper for that matter.

:Finally, as far as I can tell Cejii Revel Prime is a weird aberration compared to the rest of the 1984/85 toys. If you check his trailer he's not just a repackaged Takara-produced toy, the figure itself is actually stamped "MADE IN FRANCE". I've never seen any other year 1 TFs with this distinction, or the corresponding change to the packaging. Cejii Revel were already selling the figure as part of [http://1501bc.com/pretf/fr_diaclone.html their own Diaclone line], so I guess they were making Convoy figs in-house for whatever reason, and Hasbro struck some sort of deal to use what they'd produced as TF Primes.

:This must have cut both ways, with TFs being sold as Ceji Revel Diaclones. In a Poundstretcher in Glasgow in the Summer of '88 I purchased a [http://www.toyarchive.com/Diaclone/Joustra/JoustraGearsMOSC.html "Diaclone" Gears on a Ceji Joustra card]. As you can see in the photograph, he has Autobot stickers! There must have been some "grace period" where Ceji Revel / Joustra Diaclone toys and Hasbro Transformers were being produced side by side.--[[User:Asukasboy|Asukasboy]] 18:01, 21 December 2010 (EST)

== El Greco 1985 ==
I see the autobot minibots are listed as a 1985 release in Greece here. This is however incorrect. The back of the card has an image of the glow in the dark TF:TM poster that was inserted in the US boxes for the 86 line. As Europe was usually a year later in releases in those days these toys are 86-87 at the earliest and probably even 88. Further proof of this are the GS versions for combiners that feature european classic style molds. The same holds true for second wave Italian Gig GS releases. The 'classic' re-release by Gig of the Devastator set for instance features chinese stampings. (It also replaces the rubsigns for silver stickers btw)--[[User:Argus|Argus]] 07:16, 7 September 2011 (EDT)

Talk:The Transformers (European toyline)

2011-09-05T15:33:02Z

Argus:

When were the classic green-and-purple Constructicons (in original packaging) released in the UK? I believe it was around 1990-91, but don't know for certain. There were also some Minibots that showed up around this time, again in original packaging: Bumblebee, Seaspray, Beachcomber and possibly others. These might just have been rediscovered stock from 1985/6, but the Constructicons were only available in the UK at this time so they must have been a release of some kind.--[[User:Tribimat|Tribimat]] 14:01, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
:Those might have been the imported Mexican toys that plagued Europe in 1989.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 19:20, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

::The US Constructicons DID come out in the UK at that time with a host of other G1 toys with the Chinese stickers in the corner. Constructicons, Combaticons, Protectobots and several (possibly all) Minibots were being sold alongside the G1/G1.5 stuff in 1991-93 in original G1 packaging at major stores like Woolworths. There may have been other figures too but I didn't see them. --[[User:Specimen-17|Specimen-17]] 13:10, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Started making this page something other than "Toys We Never Got In The USA". Will try to keep details about language variations as short as possible.

I consider a toy "confirmed" released in a specific version when I have seen it in packaging, or at least the corresponding instructions. Exceptions are combiner teams where I haven't seen all members (Hasbro didn't start making a habit out of releasing incomplete combiner teams until Energon), or Italian Astrotrain, where Blitzwing being named "Triplex Due" makes it pretty reasonable that Triplex Uno (Astrotrain) also existed.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 23:01, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll have to remember next time I go to my parents' house but I'm pretty damn sure my Skystalker came in Italian packaging, which if nothing else, has the I-names for some of the other MM bases. (Countdown's was... Uranius, I think. One of 'em was definitely Uranius.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 19:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC), got it sealed for $40 at BC... '01, maybe?

A few things. There was no Gen1 Classics version of Slag? I remember getting all four land Dinobots (poor Swoop) as Classics -- of course my memory isn't evidence... and he might have only seen the light of day in Australia, anyway. Secondly -- Windmill? In what way does he resemble Ultra Magnus? And where does the rumour about Turbo Master come from? Seems like bollocks and speculation based on the design drawings in Generations: Deluxe, to me. --Jhiaxus.

Between this article and the one on Euro Classics, I'm really starting to wonder if someone at Hasbro thought that Australia was in Europe... --[[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 03:47, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

==Scandinavia==
Anyone want to take a stab at adding some info about the Scandinavian countries to this article?--[[User:TVsGrady|TVsGrady]] 23:09, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Japanese mini-franchises ==

I've mocked up a central page for the Japanese mini-franchises at [[User: Khajidha/sandbox]]. It would serve as a main page to place in the franchise nav-box. I'd like to hear any input. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 21:16, 4 April 2010 (EDT)

== Commercials as proof? ==

In my efforts to construct the page for [[Commercial/International|international commercials]], I listed several ads that could be considered proof that certain toys had European releases. After all, why produce and release a commercial for toys you aren't selling? The ads in question would be the [http://www.ina.fr/pub/culture-et-loisirs/video/PUB3784153101/hasbro-transformers-action-masters-jouet-vehicule-figurine-combat.fr.html French ad for Action Master Vehicles] and the [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQwnSrnGxOc German ad for Action Master Optimus Prime]. Since they appear to include brand new footage for Optimus Prime and Megatron, I think we could safely add those as confirmed releases. Not so sure about the other Action Master vehicles though. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 13:10, 2 August 2010 (EDT)

== UK release ==

The initial release of Transformers here in the UK was in 1984. Argos were selling Optimus Prime, Autobot cars and Decepticon 'strike planes' (Seekers) in their autumn/winter 1984 catalogue (I got Optimus Prime and Sideswipe for Christmas in 1984) and Decepticon cassettes were available in WHSmith (I got them up just after Christmas in December 1984). [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 14:03, 28 August 2010 (EDT)

:This is very true. The UK comic launched in mid-September '84, and given that TFs appear in the [http://www.flickr.com/photos/16628151@N03/2958326804/in/faves-66347557@N00/ 1984 Autumn/Winter Argos] they would have to have been available by at least August of that year to be on-sale upon its launch. I've added a 1984 section just for the UK range, and also expanded the 1985 section to document the toys released and unreleased in that year.

:Regarding yellow & red Cliffjumpers & Bumblebees. I know CJ was definitely available in both colours in 1984 and 1985 as I've owned both rub-and pre-rub yellow versions, and they seem common enough. It seems a reasonable extrapolation that the same is true of Bumblebee, since they would be sourced from the same old Microchange toys that were used for the US, but did anyone ever see or own a red Bumblebee that was bought at UK retail? I've never even seen them on eBay UK, nor Bumblejumper for that matter.

:Finally, as far as I can tell Cejii Revel Prime is a weird aberration compared to the rest of the 1984/85 toys. If you check his trailer he's not just a repackaged Takara-produced toy, the figure itself is actually stamped "MADE IN FRANCE". I've never seen any other year 1 TFs with this distinction, or the corresponding change to the packaging. Cejii Revel were already selling the figure as part of [http://1501bc.com/pretf/fr_diaclone.html their own Diaclone line], so I guess they were making Convoy figs in-house for whatever reason, and Hasbro struck some sort of deal to use what they'd produced as TF Primes.

:This must have cut both ways, with TFs being sold as Ceji Revel Diaclones. In a Poundstretcher in Glasgow in the Summer of '88 I purchased a [http://www.toyarchive.com/Diaclone/Joustra/JoustraGearsMOSC.html "Diaclone" Gears on a Ceji Joustra card]. As you can see in the photograph, he has Autobot stickers! There must have been some "grace period" where Ceji Revel / Joustra Diaclone toys and Hasbro Transformers were being produced side by side.--[[User:Asukasboy|Asukasboy]] 18:01, 21 December 2010 (EST)

== Headline text == El Greco 1985
I see the autobot minibots are listed as a 1985 release in Greece here. This is however incorrect. The back of the card has an image of the glow in the dark TF:TM poster that was inserted in the US boxes for the 86 line. As Europe was usually a year later in releases in those days these toys are 86-87 at the earliest and probably even 88. Further proof of this are the GS versions for combiners that feature european classic style molds. The same holds true for second wave Italian Gig GS releases. The 'classic' re-release by Gig of the Devastator set for instance features chinese stampings. (It also replaces the rubsigns for silver stickers btw)

Talk:Trasformer

2011-09-05T15:20:58Z

Argus: /* Product list */

Okay, having checked the layout on three different browsers on two different computers with two different resolutions, I have to ask. What exactly does that huge whitespace gap prevent from "expletiving up"? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:49, 21 February 2011 (EST)
: I'm not sure why whitespace is the devil. Sometimes whitespace can be nice. It can improve readability and comprehension. Mind, I don't think I have a strong preference for the whitespace or the more consolidated look in this particular instance. Just statin' my feelings on whitespace. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:19, 21 February 2011 (EST)
::Well I have no objection if a little bit of whitespace allows, say, images lining up with the proper text or to keep toy images with their respective toy descriptions on character pages and suchlike. But here, it's quite a bit of whitespace to prevent what Jeysie claims would "expletive up the page", but I checked multiple different means and see nothing wrong whatsoever with the page without a whitespace. And it doesn't exactly hurt readability or comprehension here, either. It seems like it's a whitespace for little more than whitespace's sake. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:34, 21 February 2011 (EST)

== Product list ==

THe list is a bit of mess I fear with the no. 11 hilux being in two places and stuff like the lock robots or MC-12 not even being in here. How complete do we desire this to be in the first place though? Just pre-tf Trasformer or the entire list? And if we include pre-tf Trasformers that were not licensed by Takara like the Highway patrol gun? We include Omega after all and we include Diaclone toys that never made it as a Transformer.... Following the same logic the Trasformer line to list here becomes a lot bigger. --[[User:Argus|Argus]] 11:37, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
:I'd go for a complete list of all "Trasformer" releases, but leave the later "Transformers" branded ones for the [[Generation 1 (European toyline)]] page. All the [[Diaclone]] toy molds listed on that page became Transformers except for the jet/helicopter triple changer which is listed mainly because it was part of the same subgroup as the [[Blitzwing (G1)|pre-Blitzwing]]. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:10, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
::I'll see what I can dig up on the non Takara stuff. There is quite some stuff out there. (similar to estrella non-Takara molds and such). ANyone fancy we should take up the first Diaclone release sets by Gig as well? First issue stuff differs a lot from the later releases. Stuff like Cromar and friends (Powerdasher molds) were initially released boxed in styro. Later more common releases have them on a card.--[[User:Argus|Argus]] 11:20, 5 September 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Trasformer

2011-09-05T15:17:33Z

Argus: /* Product list */

Transformers: Zone (toyline)

2011-09-05T15:01:53Z

Argus: added spring-powered as only of the 3 powered masters is actually battery operated...

{{nav-zone}}

'''''Transformers Zone''''' was the ''Transformers'' series released in Japan in 1990. Its line-up was very different to [[The Transformers (toyline)#1990|the one released in the US in 1990]]. ''Zone'' was intended to be the final animated series for Japanese television. However, only [[Enter the New Supreme Commander, Dai Atlas!|the first episode]] was ever animated, and it was released straight to video rather than being broadcast on television. The story was continued in comic strip format in a [[Zone (manga)|one shot-manga]] and then subsequently in [[TV Magazine]] form.

''Transformers Zone'' introduced a new concept for Transformers toys: [[Powered Master]]s (not to be confused with [[Powermaster]]s). Powered Masters had small battery-powered or spring-powered motors that moved ramps up and down to facilitate for the launching of [[Micromaster|Microtransformers]]. The three individual Powered Masters had two alternate modes, a normal vehicular mode, and a [[Energon Z|"Zone"]] mode (in reality a mini-base playset). The three normal vehicle modes could combine into [[Big Powered]], a gigantic jet-tank mode. Each of the Powered Masters came with their own Micro Transformer.

Micro Transformers were now being introduced to Japan as part of the Zone toyline. These included US releases from both 1989 and 1990. However, with one exception, these were all released as [[Autobot|Cybertrons]], including several that were released as [[Decepticon]]s in the US. In addition, some of the US releases were [[redeco]]ed since their western release.

Zone also introduced the [[Decepticon|Destron]] [[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]], a repaint of [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]. The toy came with an extra ramp that would connect the toy to other Micro Transformer playsets. He also came with his own Micro Transformer, an orange and black repaint of the Micromaster [[Skystalker (G1)|Skystalker]].

The Micromaster playsets also made their Japanese debuts, all of which were either identical to or repaints of the US releases. The [[Rocket Base]] was able to interact with [[Galaxy Shuttle]], from the previous year's [[Victory (toyline)|''Victory'' toyline]], and the figure continued to be available during the ''Zone'' line.

:''Previous toyline: [[Victory (toyline)|Victory]]''
:''Next toyline: [[Return of Convoy (toyline)|Return of Convoy]]''

==[[Autobot|Cybertrons]]==
[[Image:TakaraZoneCatalogue.JPG|right|500px|thumb|]]
'''[[Powered Master]]s'''
*[[Dai Atlas (Zone)|Dai Atlas]] (w/ [[Speeder]])
*[[Sonic Bomber]] (w/ [[Sonic]])
*[[Road Fire]] (w/ [[Drillbuster]])
*[[Big Powered]] giftset (a rare item containing all three Powered Masters)

'''[[Micromaster#Micromaster Patrols| Micro Transformers]]'''
*[[Rescue Patrol Team]] ([[Boater]], [[Fire]], [[Holi]], & [[Pīpō]])
*[[Off Road Patrol|Off Road Patrol Team]] ([[Highjump (G1)|Nutshell]], [[Mudslinger (G1)|Footdemo]], [[Powertrain|Freed]], & [[Tote|Flak]])
*[[Race Car Patrol|Race Car Patrol Team]] ([[Free Wheeler|Wheelrun]], [[Roadhandler (G1)|Roadhandler]], [[Swindler|Glorean]], & [[Tailspin|Spinchange]])
*[[Jet Patrol Team]] ([[Nightflight (Zone)|Nightflight]], [[Star Cloud]], [[Whisper (Zone)|Whisper]], & [[Windrim]])
*[[Air Patrol|Sky Patrol Team]] ([[Blaze Master|Breeze Master]], [[Eagle Eye (G1)|Eagle Eye]], [[Sky High (Micromaster)|Sky High]], & [[Tread Bolt]])
*[[Construction Patrol|Build Patrol Team]] ([[Crumble]], [[Groundpounder]], [[Neutro]], & [[Takedown]])
*[[Super Car Patrol Team]] ([[Black Heat]], [[Deadhour]], [[Gingham]], & [[Road Hugger (Zone)|Road Hugger]])
*[[Battle Patrol|Battle Patrol Team]] ([[Big Shot|Gunlift]], [[Flak (G1)|Powerbomb]], [[Sidetrack]], & [[Sunrunner]])

'''[[Micromaster#Micromaster Bases|Micro Transformer Bases]]'''
*[[Rocket Base|Rocket base]] (w/ Rescue Patrol Team and [[Moonradar (Zone)|Moonradar]])
*[[Landshaker]] (redeco of [[ATV]]) w/ [[Gunrunner (Zone)|Gunrunner]] (redeco of [[Roadhandler (G1)|Roadhandler]])
*[[Sky Hyper]] (redeco of [[Helicopter]]) w/ [[Deadwheeler]] (redeco of [[Free Wheeler]])

'''[[Micromaster#Micromaster Transports|Micro Transformer Transports]]'''
*[[Erector (G1)|Cragun]]
*[[Overload (G1)|Roadjet]]
*[[Skywave]] (identical to [[Flattop (Decepticon)|Flattop]], a Decepticon in the US)
*[[Missile Bull]] (identical to [[Roughstuff]], a Decepticon in the US)

'''[[Micromaster#Micromaster Stations|Micro Transformer Stations]]'''
*[[Construction station|Build Base]] (w/ [[Ironworks]])
*[[Fire station|Fire Base]] (w/ [[Hot House]])
*[[Airport Base]] (w/ [[Overair]]; identical to [[Airwave]] and his [[airport]], a Decepticon in the US)
*[[Gasoline Base]] (w/ [[Glasspit]]; identical to [[Greasepit (G1)|Greasepit]] and his [[gas station]], a Decepticon in the US)

==[[Decepticon|Destrons]]==
'''[[Metrosquad]] Leader'''
*[[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]] (came with [[Metrobomb]], an orange and black repaint of [[Skystalker (G1)|Skystalker]])

'''[[Micromaster#Micromaster Patrols|Micro Transformers]]'''
*[[Race Track Patrol]] (a 1990 US release, and amazingly kept as Destron/Decepticons)

==Notes==
*Yes, the Destron list above is complete. Only two Destrons were released in ''Zone''. Presumably Japanese kids were too nice in 1990 to want to play with baddies.
*There was one more Zone figure released; [[Rabbicrater]]. He was a blue redeco of [[Skystalker (G1)|Skystalker]] that was packed in with the Zone OVA videocassette.

[[Category:Japanese toylines]]
[[Category:Zone| Zone (toyline)]]

Talk:Swerve (Chevy)

2011-08-10T15:51:43Z

Argus: /* European release? */

Wasn't Swerve's price 20 Euros? That's going to stay the same pretty much anywhere you are, I'd think.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 03:13, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

== Yellow Swerve ==

I have one of the Yellow Swerves and can say without a shadow of a doubt that it IS NOT painted. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:82.41.232.221|82.41.232.221]] ([[User talk:82.41.232.221|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/82.41.232.221|contribs]]){{#if:18:19, 30 April 2011 (EDT)| 18:19, 30 April 2011 (EDT)|}}.
: You're gonna have to provide photographical proof. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:33, 30 April 2011 (EDT)
:: And take a knife to it so we can see that it's yellow all the way through. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 23:00, 30 April 2011 (EDT)

== European release? ==
I got a bunch of these guys during the european chevy website release of these guys. Is there any special reason this is neglected here?
--[[User:Argus|Argus]] 07:30, 26 July 2011 (EDT)
:We mention the Swiss web release. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 07:40, 26 July 2011 (EDT)
Yes, but I didn't order it from the Swiss but from the general european website. That was 2008 though.
--[[User:Argus|Argus]] 11:51, 10 August 2011 (EDT)

Trasformer

2011-08-10T15:46:04Z

Argus: /* Others */

{{picsneeded|logo, box design something.}}
'''''Trasformer''''' {{sic}} was a unique international release of [[TakaraTomy|Takara's]] ''[[Diaclone]]'' and ''[[Micro Change|MicroChange]]'' lines by an Italian company named [[GiG]] that was launched in [[1983]]. Many people thinks the toys are infamous for featuring several characteristics of Hasbro's ''Transformers'' versions of those toys, but GiG had the trasformer designation of the toys in 1983, 2 years before Hasbro released the "transformers" brand.

==History==
In [[1983]], GiG had acquired the license for selling imported Diaclone and MicroChange toys on the Italian market from Takara. Initially, GiG simply released the toys under the name ''Diaclone'', such as the Dia-Battles combiner, the Dia-Train or the Power Bases playsets.

However, when [[Hasbro]] had launched their ''[[The Transformers (toyline)|Transformers]]'' version of the line with considerable success the following year, GiG quickly realized the potential. Since GiG didn't want to pay for a second license, they came up with quite an original concept: As they couldn't directly mimick Hasbro's ''Transformers'' toys, they would now release the ''Diaclone'' toys in color schemes based on the Hasbro versions, even using the same sticker sheets as the Hasbro toys, omitting the pilots (in most cases, anyway) and renaming the line into ''Trasformer'', with the ''Diaclone'' "Car Robos" (the Autobot Cars) being called "Auto Robots". The packaging, however, was still more or less based on Takara's ''Diaclone'' packaging, and the toys featured no bios or any kind of fiction that would identify them as Hasbro's Transformers characters. The ''Trasformer'' line also included the ''Diaclone'' [[Jet-helicopter Decepticon|jet-helicopter]] [[Triple Changer]], which was never released as part of the ''Transformers'' line. On the other hand, GiG also undertook some bizarre [[For safety reasons|safety modifications]], replacing the toys' regular missiles with all-new missiles that featured ridiculously oversized rubber tips. Interestingly enough, GiG also released their version of the [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] mold as part of the ''Trasformer'' line, even though toy wasn't licensed from Takara, but another company named ToyBox.

Obviously, Hasbro weren't too happy about this and thus quickly pressured GiG into acquiring a proper license. In [[1985]], GiG then abandoned the ''Trasformer'' line and instead re-released the toys in actual ''Transformers'' packaging, albeit keeping a small remainder of the old ''Trasformer'' logo in addition to the larger ''Transformers'' logo (the small ''Trasformer'' logo would finally be dropped for good starting with the Pretenders toys from 1988). Still, GiG would keep their ties with Takara, which allowed them to release toys as part of the Transformers line which Hasbro would never release (such as a [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] giftset or [[Galaxy Shuttle]]).

==Toys==
The following list is not a complete overview of the entire line but lists some of the pre-transformers that made it into the Gig Trasformer line.

===Auto Robot===
[[Image:Topolino Datsun Fairlady Z.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Shiny!]]
*No 1 Countach LP 500S (Pre-[[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]])
*No 2 Super Countach LP 500s (Pre-[[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]])
*No 3 Fuoristrada J59 (Pre-[[Hound (G1)|Hound]])
*No 4 Ligier JS11 F-1 (Pre-[[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]])
*No 5 Fairlady Z 280Z (Pre-[[Bluestreak (G1)|Bluestreak]])
*No 6 Fairlady Z Police Car (Pre-[[Prowl (G1)/toys|Prowl]])
*No 7 Porsche 935 Turbo (Pre-[[Jazz (G1)/toys|Jazz]])
*No 8 Fairlady Z Racing Type (Pre-[[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]])
*No 9 Ambulance (Pre-[[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]])
*No 10 Lancia Stratos Turbo (Pre-[[Wheeljack (G1)/toys|Wheeljack]])
*No 11 4WD Hilux (Pre-[[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]])
*No 12 Honda City Turbo (Pre-[[Skids (G1)|Skids]])
*No 13 Corvette Stingray (Pre-[[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]], or Pre-[[Road Rage (G1)|Road Rage]])
*No 14 New Countach LP500S Police Car (Pre-[[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]], or Pre-[[Clamp Down]])
*No 15 4WD Hilux Autogru (Pre-[[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]])
*No 16 Cherry Vanette (Pre-[[Ironhide (G1)/toys|Ironhide]])
*No 30 Camion Pompieri (Pre-[[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]])
*No 31 Camion Gru (Pre-[[Grapple]])
*No 50 Camion Convoy Portauto - DIACLONE POWERED CONVOY (Pre-[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys|Ultra Magnus]])
*Camion Convoy (Pre-[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]])
{{--}}

===Dinosaur Robots===
*1 Tyrannosaurus (Pre-[[Grimlock (G1)/toys|Grimlock]]) with the blue crotch diaclone version (later version of "trasformer" had the usual red crotch)
*2 Triceratops (Pre-[[Slag (G1)|Slag]]) Blue and white diaclone version (later versions were red as the transformer release)
*3 Brontosaurus (Pre-[[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]])
*4 Stegosaurus (Pre-[[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]]) Black chest instead the transformer red (later versions were red as the transformer release)
*5 Pteranodon (Pre-[[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] Not released by GiG, but distributed in japanese box)

===Tripla Trasformazione===
*Aereo A Tripla Trasformazione (Pre-[[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]], or Pre-[[Overcharge (G1)|Overcharge]])
*Elicottero A Tripla Transformazione (jet/helicopter Triple Changer; [[Jet-helicopter Decepticon|never released as a Transformer]])

===Scatter===
*Aragon (Pre-[[Powerdasher]] car)
*Zetar (Pre-[[Powerdasher]] drill)
*Cromar (Pre-[[Powerdasher]] jet)
[[Image:1985_Topolino_Walther_P-38_UNCLE.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.]]

===Destroy Car===
*[unnamed] (Diaclone Change Attacker "Oneboxcar Vanette"; never released as a Transformer)
*[unnamed] (Diaclone Change Attacker "Starion Turbo 2000"; never released as a Transformer)
*[unnamed] (Diaclone Change Attacker "Lamborghini Cheetah"; never released as a Transformer)

===Others===
TAKARA
*MC-11 Magnum Robo (No Transformer release)
*MC-12 Walther P-38 (Pre-[[Megatron (G1)(JP)/toys|Megatron]])
*MC-13 UNCLE Walther P-38 (Pre-[[Megatron (G1) (US/EURO)/toys|Megatron]])
*MC-17 Lock Robo Dial Man. This figure transforms from a working dial lock to a robot. (No Transformer release)
*MC-18 Lock Robo Magneman. This figure transforms from a working key lock to a robot. (No Transformer release)
*A number of watches including Crono Laser

OTHERS
*Megarobot multi-azione (Pre-[[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]])
*357 Magnum Robo. (No Transformer release)
{{-}}

==Gallery==
<center><gallery>
Image:Camion_Convoy.jpg|It only exists when no one's looking.
Image:Topolino Padlock Dude.jpg|Security more questionable than Red Alert.
Image:Topolino Trasformer Watches.jpg|James Bond WISHES he was this cool.
Image:GiG_Devastator.jpg|A contest? As if anyone needed incentive to want DEVASTATOR.
</gallery></center>

==Notes==
* "Ligier JS11 F-1", the ''Trasformer'' version of [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]], sports "Ligier" decals on the sides of the vehicle mode rather than the standard "Citanes" logos found on the ''Diaclone'' and ''Transformers'' versions. Two known variants exist, with either "Ligier" stickers covering the original tampographed "Citanes" logos, or tampographed "Ligier" logos. The "citanes" version was first, the "ligier" decals were a later version, and the tampographed "ligier" was the latest version of GiG releases (1984), then Gig released the hasbro "mirage" the same way than the american release, but the first waves had diaclone "trasformer" citanes in it.

*GiG version Powered Convoy had the same box as the Takara version, except for the Italian inserts in it, as well as all the Diaclone "Car Robot series" that GiG released in the early eighties.

* There was a white police version of pre-[[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] released at the beginning of the line it was made for mass production and sold in Italy and Spain in 1983 to 1987. The spoiler and the chrome intake were painted white and the Japanese stickers removed; the spoiler sticker read "Polis Countach". This could possibly be one of the rarest of the "pre-Transformers".

==External links==
*[http://www.nijirain.com/Lady-ToysDIA.htm Overview of pre-''Trasformer'' Diaclone releases by GiG]
*[http://digilander.libero.it/tfitalia/toys/trasformer/index.htm Catalog images of GiG's ''Trasformer'' toys]
*[http://www.reocities.com/futuristgroup/vitaly.html Information on Italian Transformers and Pre-Transformers toys]
*[http://www.tf-1.com/articles/eurous/gig_template.html GiG article at TF-1.com]
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsc-AWO1ZsM Trasformer commercial featuring the over-sized missiles]

[[Category:Generation 1 franchises]]
[[Category:Toys]]

Trasformer

2011-08-10T15:38:46Z

Argus: /* Auto Robot */

{{picsneeded|logo, box design something.}}
'''''Trasformer''''' {{sic}} was a unique international release of [[TakaraTomy|Takara's]] ''[[Diaclone]]'' and ''[[Micro Change|MicroChange]]'' lines by an Italian company named [[GiG]] that was launched in [[1983]]. Many people thinks the toys are infamous for featuring several characteristics of Hasbro's ''Transformers'' versions of those toys, but GiG had the trasformer designation of the toys in 1983, 2 years before Hasbro released the "transformers" brand.

==History==
In [[1983]], GiG had acquired the license for selling imported Diaclone and MicroChange toys on the Italian market from Takara. Initially, GiG simply released the toys under the name ''Diaclone'', such as the Dia-Battles combiner, the Dia-Train or the Power Bases playsets.

However, when [[Hasbro]] had launched their ''[[The Transformers (toyline)|Transformers]]'' version of the line with considerable success the following year, GiG quickly realized the potential. Since GiG didn't want to pay for a second license, they came up with quite an original concept: As they couldn't directly mimick Hasbro's ''Transformers'' toys, they would now release the ''Diaclone'' toys in color schemes based on the Hasbro versions, even using the same sticker sheets as the Hasbro toys, omitting the pilots (in most cases, anyway) and renaming the line into ''Trasformer'', with the ''Diaclone'' "Car Robos" (the Autobot Cars) being called "Auto Robots". The packaging, however, was still more or less based on Takara's ''Diaclone'' packaging, and the toys featured no bios or any kind of fiction that would identify them as Hasbro's Transformers characters. The ''Trasformer'' line also included the ''Diaclone'' [[Jet-helicopter Decepticon|jet-helicopter]] [[Triple Changer]], which was never released as part of the ''Transformers'' line. On the other hand, GiG also undertook some bizarre [[For safety reasons|safety modifications]], replacing the toys' regular missiles with all-new missiles that featured ridiculously oversized rubber tips. Interestingly enough, GiG also released their version of the [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] mold as part of the ''Trasformer'' line, even though toy wasn't licensed from Takara, but another company named ToyBox.

Obviously, Hasbro weren't too happy about this and thus quickly pressured GiG into acquiring a proper license. In [[1985]], GiG then abandoned the ''Trasformer'' line and instead re-released the toys in actual ''Transformers'' packaging, albeit keeping a small remainder of the old ''Trasformer'' logo in addition to the larger ''Transformers'' logo (the small ''Trasformer'' logo would finally be dropped for good starting with the Pretenders toys from 1988). Still, GiG would keep their ties with Takara, which allowed them to release toys as part of the Transformers line which Hasbro would never release (such as a [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] giftset or [[Galaxy Shuttle]]).

==Toys==
The following list is not a complete overview of the entire line but lists some of the pre-transformers that made it into the Gig Trasformer line.

===Auto Robot===
[[Image:Topolino Datsun Fairlady Z.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Shiny!]]
*No 1 Countach LP 500S (Pre-[[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]])
*No 2 Super Countach LP 500s (Pre-[[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]])
*No 3 Fuoristrada J59 (Pre-[[Hound (G1)|Hound]])
*No 4 Ligier JS11 F-1 (Pre-[[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]])
*No 5 Fairlady Z 280Z (Pre-[[Bluestreak (G1)|Bluestreak]])
*No 6 Fairlady Z Police Car (Pre-[[Prowl (G1)/toys|Prowl]])
*No 7 Porsche 935 Turbo (Pre-[[Jazz (G1)/toys|Jazz]])
*No 8 Fairlady Z Racing Type (Pre-[[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]])
*No 9 Ambulance (Pre-[[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]])
*No 10 Lancia Stratos Turbo (Pre-[[Wheeljack (G1)/toys|Wheeljack]])
*No 11 4WD Hilux (Pre-[[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]])
*No 12 Honda City Turbo (Pre-[[Skids (G1)|Skids]])
*No 13 Corvette Stingray (Pre-[[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]], or Pre-[[Road Rage (G1)|Road Rage]])
*No 14 New Countach LP500S Police Car (Pre-[[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]], or Pre-[[Clamp Down]])
*No 15 4WD Hilux Autogru (Pre-[[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]])
*No 16 Cherry Vanette (Pre-[[Ironhide (G1)/toys|Ironhide]])
*No 30 Camion Pompieri (Pre-[[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]])
*No 31 Camion Gru (Pre-[[Grapple]])
*No 50 Camion Convoy Portauto - DIACLONE POWERED CONVOY (Pre-[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys|Ultra Magnus]])
*Camion Convoy (Pre-[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]])
{{--}}

===Dinosaur Robots===
*1 Tyrannosaurus (Pre-[[Grimlock (G1)/toys|Grimlock]]) with the blue crotch diaclone version (later version of "trasformer" had the usual red crotch)
*2 Triceratops (Pre-[[Slag (G1)|Slag]]) Blue and white diaclone version (later versions were red as the transformer release)
*3 Brontosaurus (Pre-[[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]])
*4 Stegosaurus (Pre-[[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]]) Black chest instead the transformer red (later versions were red as the transformer release)
*5 Pteranodon (Pre-[[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] Not released by GiG, but distributed in japanese box)

===Tripla Trasformazione===
*Aereo A Tripla Trasformazione (Pre-[[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]], or Pre-[[Overcharge (G1)|Overcharge]])
*Elicottero A Tripla Transformazione (jet/helicopter Triple Changer; [[Jet-helicopter Decepticon|never released as a Transformer]])

===Scatter===
*Aragon (Pre-[[Powerdasher]] car)
*Zetar (Pre-[[Powerdasher]] drill)
*Cromar (Pre-[[Powerdasher]] jet)
[[Image:1985_Topolino_Walther_P-38_UNCLE.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.]]

===Destroy Car===
*[unnamed] (Diaclone Change Attacker "Oneboxcar Vanette"; never released as a Transformer)
*[unnamed] (Diaclone Change Attacker "Starion Turbo 2000"; never released as a Transformer)
*[unnamed] (Diaclone Change Attacker "Lamborghini Cheetah"; never released as a Transformer)

===Others===
*MC-13 Walther P-38 (Pre-[[Megatron (G1)/toys|Megatron]])
*Megarobot multi-azione (Pre-[[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]])
*Padlock
*Crono Laser
*Magnum Robo - Microman MC-11 magnum pistol (never released as a transformer)
*No 11 4WD Hilux - yellow and blue versions
{{-}}

==Gallery==
<center><gallery>
Image:Camion_Convoy.jpg|It only exists when no one's looking.
Image:Topolino Padlock Dude.jpg|Security more questionable than Red Alert.
Image:Topolino Trasformer Watches.jpg|James Bond WISHES he was this cool.
Image:GiG_Devastator.jpg|A contest? As if anyone needed incentive to want DEVASTATOR.
</gallery></center>

==Notes==
* "Ligier JS11 F-1", the ''Trasformer'' version of [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]], sports "Ligier" decals on the sides of the vehicle mode rather than the standard "Citanes" logos found on the ''Diaclone'' and ''Transformers'' versions. Two known variants exist, with either "Ligier" stickers covering the original tampographed "Citanes" logos, or tampographed "Ligier" logos. The "citanes" version was first, the "ligier" decals were a later version, and the tampographed "ligier" was the latest version of GiG releases (1984), then Gig released the hasbro "mirage" the same way than the american release, but the first waves had diaclone "trasformer" citanes in it.

*GiG version Powered Convoy had the same box as the Takara version, except for the Italian inserts in it, as well as all the Diaclone "Car Robot series" that GiG released in the early eighties.

* There was a white police version of pre-[[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] released at the beginning of the line it was made for mass production and sold in Italy and Spain in 1983 to 1987. The spoiler and the chrome intake were painted white and the Japanese stickers removed; the spoiler sticker read "Polis Countach". This could possibly be one of the rarest of the "pre-Transformers".

==External links==
*[http://www.nijirain.com/Lady-ToysDIA.htm Overview of pre-''Trasformer'' Diaclone releases by GiG]
*[http://digilander.libero.it/tfitalia/toys/trasformer/index.htm Catalog images of GiG's ''Trasformer'' toys]
*[http://www.reocities.com/futuristgroup/vitaly.html Information on Italian Transformers and Pre-Transformers toys]
*[http://www.tf-1.com/articles/eurous/gig_template.html GiG article at TF-1.com]
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsc-AWO1ZsM Trasformer commercial featuring the over-sized missiles]

[[Category:Generation 1 franchises]]
[[Category:Toys]]

Talk:Trasformer

2011-08-10T15:37:45Z

Argus:

Swerve (Chevy)

2011-07-26T11:38:06Z

Argus: /* Notes */ Added autobot logo face molding info

{{factions|autobot}}
{{disambig3|Swerve}}
:''Swerve is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Universe (2003 franchise)|Universe]] conflict.''

[[Image:Swerveaveorobot.jpg|right|300px|thumb|International Bot of Mystery]]
"A mystery wrapped in a riddle inside an enigma, blindfolded and dunked in delicious milk chocolate" would be a charitable way to describe '''Swerve'''. He is the result of the most unusual toy release in the history of the [[Transformers brand|brand]].

==Toys==
===Universe===
*'''Swerve''' (Deluxe, 2008)

: Swerve transforms into a [[Licensed vehicle alternate modes|licensed]] Chevy Aveo LT. Despite this [[alternate mode]] and the timing of his release, he has no relationship to [[Aveo]], [[Sphinx]], or the rest of the [[Chevy Autobot]]s. He also has no [[gimmick]]s whatsoever, not even a non-firing weapon.

[[Image:ChevySwerve car.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Mystery Machine]]

: On [[March 25]]th 2008, the Chevrolet online store began to offer Swerve as a "special featured item"... but only from its branches in [[Switzerland]] and the United Arab Emirates. Swerve officially sold for €12.80, which, depending on the order location and currency conversion rates, translated into to approximately $20~$30 before shipping. However, orders from customers in the United States were subject to a "processing" fee of over $50 ''and'' a "trans-Atlantic shipping fee" of almost $100(!). Less than two days later, the order page was taken down without explanation. By the end of the month, purchasers reported that their Swerves were indeed arriving.

: Over a year later, Chevrolet/GM made Swerve available again through a contest promotion at several mall displays in Ontario, [[Canada]], running from [[June 18]]th to [[August 2]]nd, 2009. As before, numbers were extremely limited, but this time they were given out for ''free''.

: After about another year, the toy surfaced officially for a third time, when Hasbro supplied some to the popular online dealer [[BigBadToyStore]]. In this case, the Swerves were in-stock by May 2010, going for about $75.

: His next venue? We're betting [[Moon (moon)|the Moon]].

{{-}}

==Creation and release==
Swerve had an... interesting past. Samples of the toy originally surfaced on Asian websites in August 2007, packaged in polybags that had English text printed on them, and came with standard English-language Hasbro instruction manuals, featuring the logo of the original [[Universe (2003 toyline)|2003 ''Universe'' line]]. All "final" samples were the same red color; one specimen appeared to be yellow, but in fact had been hand-painted. The instructions lacked an assortment number, leading to the conclusion that it was a standalone release, presumably an [[exclusive]], though the venue was unknown; for that matter, whether it would even be released ''at all'' seemed uncertain for a long time.

When the first samples turned up in China, some of the dealers claimed the toy was supposed to be available as a freebie for ''buying a real-life Chevy Aveo'', which would have made it far and away the single most expensive official Transformers toy. However, contradictory rumors claimed the toy would be available as a freebie for ''test-driving'' a Chevy Aveo, or that it was a promotional Chevy exclusive to be only available in ''China''. None of those reports were ever verified, and to this day it is unclear whether the toy was ever officially available in China at all or whether all the samples from Asia were of the usual [[prototype|<strike>stolen</strike> "leaked" variety]].

Early reports throughout the fandom, tepidly verified by [[Hasbro]] sources, suggested that the [[mold]]'s creation had been commissioned by Chevrolet for that company's [[exclusive]] use; neither Hasbro or [[TakaraTomy]] can use it in their own lines. This amounts to the first time that a "mainstream" Transformer mold was created to be an exclusive (as opposed to things like Happy Meal toys, which are obviously distinct from standard product and cost far less to design and produce).

Those rumors were confirmed at [[BotCon 2008]]. Hasbro revealed that it had produced the toy at cost for Chevy as thanks for their successful partnership. It was designed for a promotional campaign in European markets, with the toys given away to people who took a test-drive of a real Chevy Aveo. (It's also still unclear if, when and where this purported promotional campaign actually happened.) The toys were never meant to be sold; a handful were left after the promotion had ended (assuming it actually happened), and so they were shunted onto Chevy's website where these last few remainders very quickly sold out (so quickly that some fans who had placed acknowledged orders never got them).

For the 2009 Canadian promotion, the Swerves were one of several incentive prizes used to entice customers to fill in an entry form for an even bigger contest—the ultimate prize in that case being a real 2010 Chevy Camaro. Contest managers reported that they had fewer than 20 Swerves to distribute each day, with a limit of 1 per customer.

To date, Swerve's only confirmed releases have been through GM itself. For Hasbro to issue the toy on their own, they would have to negotiate for the rights, and they have no plans to do so.

We knew Chevy/[[General Motors]] had gotten close with Hasbro, but, ''damn''.

==Notes==
* Oddly, Chevrolet themselves seem to think that the idea of a transforming Aveo isn't exactly the best marketing strategy, based on a 2008 commercial for the Aveo.<ref name="commercial">[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwbVQ7sBrxY Chevrolet Aveo commercial], featuring a transforming and dancing Ford Focus and a ''non''-transforming Aveo.</ref> Although the truth probably is that they were just jealous that Citroën had beaten them to the idea by several years, before GM even got involved in the [[Transformers (2007)|''Transformers'' movie]].<ref name="citroen">[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4ckJFNkra8 Citroën C4 commercial] featuring a transforming and dancing C4 (long version), the commercial spoofed by the Aveo one.</ref> (The commercial was also the work of Chevrolet's European division and produced in the Netherlands.<ref name="comback">[http://www.amsterdamworldwide.com/aww/blog_detail/amsterdam_worldwide_and_chevrolet_-_dancing_robot Background of the Aveo commercial]</ref><ref name="comdetails">[http://www.coloribus.com/adsarchive/tv-commercials/chevrolet-aveo-transformers-11902305/ Production details about the Aveo commercial]</ref>)
* This Swerve is [[Swerve (disambiguation)|the only toy called such]] that has a mold unique to it. The others are [[redeco]]s/[[retool]]s.
*Strikingly Swerve's face is modelled after the Autobot faction logo making him somewhat of a counterpart to G1 Soundwave.

==External links==
* [http://www.chevrolet-store.com/chevrolet/default.asp?mscssid=ddgnxs23f7s59h0wtehelvbwt6bja5u0s2h0t6 Chevrolet website that was selling Swerve for about 36 hours in 2008]

* [http://www.cybertron.ca/boards/showthread.php?t=16536 Message board announcement of the 2009 Canadian release]

* [http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=HAS18719&mode=retail BigBadToyStore's listing page for 2010]

==Footnotes==
<references/>

[[Category:European-original characters]]
[[Category:Exclusives]]
[[Category:Toy-only characters]]
[[Category:Universe Autobots]]

Talk:Swerve (Chevy)

2011-07-26T11:30:19Z

Argus: /* European release? */

Wasn't Swerve's price 20 Euros? That's going to stay the same pretty much anywhere you are, I'd think.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 03:13, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

== Yellow Swerve ==

I have one of the Yellow Swerves and can say without a shadow of a doubt that it IS NOT painted. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:82.41.232.221|82.41.232.221]] ([[User talk:82.41.232.221|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/82.41.232.221|contribs]]){{#if:18:19, 30 April 2011 (EDT)| 18:19, 30 April 2011 (EDT)|}}.
: You're gonna have to provide photographical proof. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:33, 30 April 2011 (EDT)
:: And take a knife to it so we can see that it's yellow all the way through. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 23:00, 30 April 2011 (EDT)

== European release? ==
I got a bunch of these guys during the european cehvy website release of these guys. Is there any special reason this is neglected here?
--[[User:Argus|Argus]] 07:30, 26 July 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Swerve (Chevy)

2011-07-26T11:30:06Z

Argus:

Wasn't Swerve's price 20 Euros? That's going to stay the same pretty much anywhere you are, I'd think.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 03:13, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

== Yellow Swerve ==

I have one of the Yellow Swerves and can say without a shadow of a doubt that it IS NOT painted. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:82.41.232.221|82.41.232.221]] ([[User talk:82.41.232.221|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/82.41.232.221|contribs]]){{#if:18:19, 30 April 2011 (EDT)| 18:19, 30 April 2011 (EDT)|}}.
: You're gonna have to provide photographical proof. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:33, 30 April 2011 (EDT)
:: And take a knife to it so we can see that it's yellow all the way through. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 23:00, 30 April 2011 (EDT)

== European release? ==
I got a bunch of these guys during the european cehvy website release of these guys. Is there any special reason this is neglected here?

Guardminder

2011-03-03T16:14:01Z

Argus: /* Generation 1 */

{{factions|decepticon}}
:''Guardminders are [[Decepticon]]s from the [[Super-God Masterforce (franchise)|Super-God Masterforce]] portion of the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Mf35 guardminder leader.jpg|right|250px|thumb|I just gotta be me...oh, I just gotta be me...]]

'''Guardminders''' (ガードマインダー ''Gādomaindā'') do not mind guards, nor do they guard minds, but they’re dab hands at taking care of gigantic [[Decepticon]] space cannons. The Guardminder legions all share an identical body-frame; the standard Guardminder is grey in color, while their leader is distinguished by the golden hue of his armor.

==Fiction==
===''Super-God Masterforce'' cartoon===
:''Voice actors:'' [[Masaharu Satō]] (Japanese, leader), [[Hirohiko Kakegawa]] (Japanese, generic)

[[Image:Mf35 guardminder squad b.jpg|left|175px|thumb|World's Deadliest Yoga Class]]
Following the failure of his most recent plan for world conquest, the Decepticon emperor [[Devil Z]] stepped up his plans to phase two, summoning an army of Guardminders from the Decepticon forces operating in space. The Guardminders were put work constructing the atmosphere-destroying [[Death Para-Machine]] in the shadow of the Moon, and although they ran a little behind schedule, the cannon was soon ready for [[Scorponok (G1)|BlackZarak]] to fire. The Decepticon [[Godmaster]]s and [[Headmaster Junior]]s joined BlackZarak and the Guardminders in space to observe the firing of the weapon, but they were pursued by the Autobots, who attempted to destroy the Death-Para Machine. The Guardminders leapt to the weapon’s defence, concentrating their fire on the Autobot Godmasters and [[Grand Maximus]], and successfully kept the heroes away from it long enough for BlackZarak to unleash a blast of its deadly energy upon the [[Earth]]. The horrified [[Ginrai]] pressed his attack on the machine, dodging a volley of Guardminder fire and ploughing through the cannon with his God Fire Guts attack. As the Death Para-Machine exploded, the Guardminders and their leader joined the other Decepticons in retreating. {{storylink|Crisis! The Day of Human Extinction}} As they played no further role in the conflict on Earth, the Guardminders presumably rejoined the other Decepticons off in space.
{{--}}

==Toys==
[[Image:Guardminder toys.jpg|right|175px|thumb|Left: Black Roritchi Right: Fasttrack]]

===Generation 1===
*'''Scorponok''' (Headmaster, 1987)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''D-93'''
**''Accessories'': 2 guns
{{note|The Guardminders were [[repurposing|repurposed]] from [[Fasttrack (Scorponok)|Fasttrack]].}}
: Available only with the large [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] Decepticon Scorponok, Fasttrack transforms into a six-wheeled assault buggy. His axles were designed for quick rolling down the main ramp of Scorponok's city mode.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1987/Decepticon/Scorponok/scorponok.htm More information on Fasttrack (via Scorponok) at TFU.info]''

===Super-God Masterforce===
*'''BlackZarak''' (Headmaster, 1988)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-311'''
**''Accessories'': 2 guns
{{note|The Guardminder leader was [[repurposing|repurposed]] from [[Black Roritchi]].}}
: Available only with BlackZarak, a [[redeco]]/[[retool]] of Scorponok, Black Roritchi is a redeco of Fasttrack. He's made ENTIRELY of [[Gold Plastic Syndrome|gold plastic]], so, uh, look out.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1988/Destron/BlackZarak/blackzarak.htm More information on Black Roritchi (via BlackZarak) at TFU.info]''

[[Category:Drones]]
[[Category:Mass-produced Transformers]]
[[Category:Repurposed toys]]
[[Category:Super-God Masterforce Decepticons]]

Talk:Jetfire (Armada)

2011-03-03T13:47:35Z

Argus:

Perhaps somebody should revert this page to the previous version? Some of the new changes, if you can understand them, are mildly offensive even if merely joking at heart. And some I can barely understand, and I'm aussie. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:The quotes were lifted from "The Adventures of Barry McKenzie." I don't think they're particularly offensive, but if others disagree, I have no trouble with that. Just sorta felt if Jetfire's caption text was going to be "Aussie-Speak" it should be... genuine. [[User:Jhiaxus|Jhiaxus]] 13:22, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the poofta thing is over the line, though. I should mention I do really appreciate the Don Bradman reference you added to the caption of my Don Figueroa photo :D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:32, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I just plain don't get the reason for all the crotch jokes. Maybe I'm just not familiar enough with the character, but... ''why''? [[Special:Contributions/74.243.19.39|74.243.19.39]] 23:13, 5 January 2011 (EST)
:Every caption is about his Australian accent. So blame it on the fact that there seem to be a lot of crotch-related Australian references. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 00:14, 6 January 2011 (EST)

Shouldn't his Galaxy Force name be Dreadrock, according to the Japanese toy package? {{unsigned|219.71.2.150|20:08, 6 February 2011 (EST)}}
:No, it's Dreadlock. Like Grimlock, but with less grim and more dread. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:21, 6 February 2011 (EST)
::Well I understand the Grimlock case, but the Japanese package does write it as Dreadrock. I suppose we should respect the source, despite it may appear grammatically wrong or something? {{unsigned|219.71.2.150|20:36, 6 February 2011 (EST)}}
:::No, because the Japanese [[Engrish#Bad Lomanizashon|suck at romanizing]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:02, 6 February 2011 (EST)
::::I don't see how you can definitively say it's one or the other. It's nonsense no matter which way it's romanized, so you're basically guessing. Honestly, I'd err on the side of the Dreadrock in this case. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:33, 6 February 2011 (EST)

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TOYS

Why are we not listing his inclusion in the Battle for the Matrix (Multi-pack, 2003)set for the Armada mold here? It's not a repaint but if we include versus packs for the Japanese line this should be in here, right?
--[[User:Argus|Argus]] 08:47, 3 March 2011 (EST)

Transformers: Zone (toyline)

2011-03-01T17:01:58Z

Argus: Removed mention of Metrotitan having a smaller box as compared to Metroplex. See discussion.

{{nav-zone}}

'''''Transformers Zone''''' was the ''Transformers'' series released in Japan in 1990. Its line-up was very different to [[The Transformers (toyline)#1990|the one released in the US in 1990]]. ''Zone'' was intended to be the final animated series for Japanese television. However, only [[Enter the New Supreme Commander, Dai Atlas!|the first episode]] was ever animated, and it was released straight to video rather than being broadcast on television. The story was continued in comic strip format in a [[Zone (manga)|one shot-manga]] and then subsequently in [[TV Magazine]] form.

''Transformers Zone'' introduced a new concept for Transformers toys: [[Powered Master]]s (not to be confused with [[Powermaster]]s). Powered Masters had small battery-powered motors that moved ramps up and down to facilitate for the launching of [[Micromaster|Microtransformers]]. The three individual Powered Masters had two alternate modes, a normal vehicular mode, and a [[Energon Z|"Zone"]] mode (in reality a mini-base playset). The three normal vehicle modes could combine into [[Big Powered]], a gigantic jet-tank mode. Each of the Powered Masters came with their own Micro Transformer.

Micro Transformers were now being introduced to Japan as part of the Zone toyline. These included US releases from both 1989 and 1990. However, with one exception, these were all released as [[Autobot|Cybertrons]], including several that were released as [[Decepticon]]s in the US. In addition, some of the US releases were [[redeco]]ed since their western release.

Zone also introduced the [[Decepticon|Destron]] [[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]], a repaint of [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]. The toy came with an extra ramp that would connect the toy to other Micro Transformer playsets. He also came with his own Micro Transformer, an orange and black repaint of the Micromaster [[Skystalker (G1)|Skystalker]].

The Micromaster playsets also made their Japanese debuts, all of which were either identical to or repaints of the US releases. The [[Rocket Base]] was able to interact with [[Galaxy Shuttle]], from the previous year's [[Victory (toyline)|''Victory'' toyline]], and the figure continued to be available during the ''Zone'' line.

:''Previous toyline: [[Victory (toyline)|Victory]]''
:''Next toyline: [[Return of Convoy (toyline)|Return of Convoy]]''

==[[Autobot|Cybertrons]]==
[[Image:TakaraZoneCatalogue.JPG|right|500px|thumb|]]
'''[[Powered Master]]s'''
*[[Dai Atlas (Zone)|Dai Atlas]] (w/ [[Speeder]])
*[[Sonic Bomber]] (w/ [[Sonic]])
*[[Road Fire]] (w/ [[Drillbuster]])
*[[Big Powered]] giftset (a rare item containing all three Powered Masters)

'''[[Micromaster#Micromaster Patrols| Micro Transformers]]'''
*[[Rescue Patrol Team]] ([[Boater]], [[Fire]], [[Holi]], & [[Pīpō]])
*[[Off Road Patrol|Off Road Patrol Team]] ([[Highjump (G1)|Nutshell]], [[Mudslinger (G1)|Footdemo]], [[Powertrain|Freed]], & [[Tote|Flak]])
*[[Race Car Patrol|Race Car Patrol Team]] ([[Free Wheeler|Wheelrun]], [[Roadhandler (G1)|Roadhandler]], [[Swindler|Glorean]], & [[Tailspin|Spinchange]])
*[[Jet Patrol Team]] ([[Nightflight (Zone)|Nightflight]], [[Starcloud]], [[Whisper (Zone)|Whisper]], & [[Windrim]])
*[[Air Patrol|Sky Patrol Team]] ([[Blaze Master|Breeze Master]], [[Eagle Eye (G1)|Eagle Eye]], [[Sky High (Micromaster)|Sky High]], & [[Tread Bolt]])
*[[Construction Patrol|Build Patrol Team]] ([[Crumble]], [[Groundpounder]], [[Neutro]], & [[Takedown]])
*[[Super Car Patrol Team]] ([[Black Heat]], [[Deadhour]], [[Gingham]], & [[Road Hugger (Zone)|Road Hugger]])
*[[Battle Patrol|Battle Patrol Team]] ([[Big Shot|Gunlift]], [[Flak (G1)|Powerbomb]], [[Sidetrack]], & [[Sunrunner]])

'''[[Micromaster#Micromaster Bases|Micro Transformer Bases]]'''
*[[Rocket Base|Rocket base]] (w/ Rescue Patrol Team and [[Moonradar (Zone)|Moonradar]])
*[[Landshaker]] (redeco of [[ATV]]) w/ [[Gunrunner (Zone)|Gunrunner]] (redeco of [[Roadhandler (G1)|Roadhandler]])
*[[Sky Hyper]] (redeco of [[Helicopter]]) w/ [[Deadwheeler]] (redeco of [[Free Wheeler]])

'''[[Micromaster#Micromaster Transports|Micro Transformer Transports]]'''
*[[Erector|Cra-Gun]]
*[[Overload (G1)|Roadjet]]
*[[Skywave]] (identical to [[Flattop (Decepticon)|Flattop]], a Decepticon in the US)
*[[Missile Bull]] (identical to [[Roughstuff]], a Decepticon in the US)

'''[[Micromaster#Micromaster Stations|Micro Transformer Stations]]'''
*[[Construction station|Build Base]] (w/ [[Ironworks]])
*[[Fire station|Fire Base]] (w/ [[Hot House]])
*[[Airport Base]] (w/ [[Overair]]; identical to [[Airwave]] and his [[airport]], a Decepticon in the US)
*[[Gasoline Base]] (w/ [[Glasspit]]; identical to [[Greasepit (G1)|Greasepit]] and his [[gas station]], a Decepticon in the US)

==[[Decepticon|Destrons]]==
'''[[Metrosquad]] Leader'''
*[[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]] (came with [[Metrobomb]], an orange and black repaint of [[Skystalker (G1)|Skystalker]])

'''[[Micromaster#Micromaster Patrols|Micro Transformers]]'''
*[[Race Track Patrol]] (a 1990 US release, and amazingly kept as Destron/Decepticons)

==Notes==
*Yes, the Destron list above is complete. Only two Destrons were released in ''Zone''. Presumably Japanese kids were too nice in 1990 to want to play with baddies.
*There was one more Zone figure released; [[Rabbicrater]]. He was a blue redeco of [[Skystalker (G1)|Skystalker]] that was packed in with the Zone OVA videocassette.

[[Category:Japanese toylines]]
[[Category:Zone| Zone (toyline)]]

Talk:Transformers: Zone (toyline)

2011-03-01T16:55:44Z

Argus: New page: On Metrotitan and his box. Where does this come from? Here's the two guys on top of one another: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v629/argusshaitan/?action=view&current=titans.jpg I have...

On Metrotitan and his box. Where does this come from? Here's the two guys on top of one another: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v629/argusshaitan/?action=view&current=titans.jpg

I haven't gone at them with a ruler but if there is a difference it's really, realy small?
--[[User:Argus|Argus]] 11:55, 1 March 2011 (EST)

Talk:Ruination (RID)

2010-11-03T14:54:20Z

Argus:

The explanation for this misspelled addition BETTER be REALLY damn good. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:49, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

What they hell does Valdigus mean? is it the correct translation, yadda yadda yadda
[[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 00:06, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

If we made up a page for every fucking stupid, meaninlgess name Takara slapped on a toy, this wiki'd be twice as big. And there's no fucking "controversy". This is pointless. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:07, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Nevermore said..."Well, THAT is a big stretch.

"G1 Bruticus was ブルーティカス ("Burûtikasu").
The Car Robots toy is バルディガス ("Barudigasu"). Unless the person in charge of Takara's naming department at that time was severely dyslexic, that's not supposed to be the same name.
The most interesting theory I've heard was that it's a pun on both "Bruticus" and "Battle Gaia" (バトルガイアー - "Batorugaiâ")."
Same general tone/rhythm as "Bruticus", but with the syllables of "Battle Gaia"?
See:
ブ ("bu") as in ブルーティカス ("Burûtikasu") becomes バ ("ba") as in バトルガイア("Batorugaiâ").
ル ("ru") remains the same, but loses the vowel extender bar (ー), thereby changing the first two syllables from "burû" with emphasis on the second syllable (which allows for the first syllable to be slurred and thus giving way to "bru") into "baru" with emphasis on the first syllable (which allows for the second syllable to be slurred and thus giving way to "bar"/"bal"/"var"/"val").
ティ ("ti") as in ブルーティカス ("Burûtikasu") becomes ディ ("di").
カ ("ka") as in as in ブルーティカス ("Burûtikasu") becomes ガ ("ga") as in バトルガイア("Batorugaiâ").
ス ("su") remains the same.
It's just a theory, mind you, although I for one prefer it over "dyslexic in charge of Takara's naming department"."

[[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 00:09, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for providing absolutely nothing to convince me this is worth including. Again, there's no "controversy", and there's a ton of bizarrely-named Japanese characters. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:33, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

:If a Zelda fan may clear something up, I've discovered that Japanese only recently ''invented'' kana starting with V. Volvagia was "BARUBAJIA" in Zelda II but "VALUVAJIA" by Zelda 5. (Also interesting in that it means they pronounce volcano the same way we do, instead of like 'vole', but that's another story) That's basically the same time jump as original TF to CarRobots.

I like the Japanese characters. Those should be on the main page avter Valdigus, it makes us look all respectable. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:21, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
:I hate to agree with Derik, but I kinda do here. The actual ...i dunno, is that kanji? for character names is a nice touch. Looks good. While I'm on it, we have some Chinese character names too, don't we? I remember that Optimus Prime is something like "The Great Warrior of the Heavens" or some shit, right? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 04:59, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

::...hate to agree with Derik? ::sniff:: Ah well, I know how it is. For my part, I hate to disagree with Siph, but, you know, '' I must follow my way of the ninja.'' -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:08, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Three things: 1. Are 'Urban Camo' and 'Desert Camo' official terms? 2. The Japanese Components were also sold individually. 3. I thought the source of his power was Coffee Milk, not coffee beans themselves.[[User:Iron Moose|Iron Moose]] 04:29, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

:::Oh, I just took a stroll and found the discussion about the name.:) Well, Optimus Prime's name in China is reeelly much more horrible thing than "The Great Warrior of the Heavens", they call him "The Great Pillar Towering into Sky". ''What the Hell...'' --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 05:02, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Coffee beans are what makes Ruination Awaken.

::Somebody explain this Coffee thing to me and where it comes from, then put it in the damn article so I don't think it's an inexplicable joke and scrub it which I almost just did.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 09:20, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
:::His Car Robots bio says he loves coffee milk. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

==Move==
Derik, is there another Ruination? I don't spy anything else on the wiki. Why was this moved? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:01, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
:[[Ruination (ROTF)]] from [[The Veiled Threat]] - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:31, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
:: Maybe something about that other one should have been mentioned, then, instead of just moving the page with no explanation and no follow-up action... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:21, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
:::sorry- I thought I'd stuck a disambig on top. My bad. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:54, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

Hmm, a good point was brought up in an overview, and I've always wondered about it too (just like the Stryka/Strika thing): why is his Japanese name Valdigus and not Baldigus? -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 07:15, 7 September 2009 (EDT)

==Molding versions==

I see little effort is really spent on the color and mold differences between the CR en RiD releases for this guy despite the fact that they are extensive. Is this intentional?
If we were to cover this it might be nice to mention that the Korean version uses the Hasbro molding (short mega-octane gun etc) but the Takara colors.
The tray the giftset comes in is molded for the japanese versions though.
The Korea version also has some minor color differences in the combiner parts and bots that really only show up when you put the different versions next to one another.

If there is a good reason we skip all this I'll shut my hole :)
[[User:Argus|Argus]] 10:54, 3 November 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Ruination (RID)

2010-11-03T14:53:55Z

Argus:

Talk:Jetfire (G1)

2010-09-29T12:31:45Z

Argus: /* Autobot Leader Jetfire */

because this wiki is character-focal, not toy-focal, I think this entry should be listed as Skyfire, not Jetfire. he was Skyfire in every major continuity, ever. That his toy had a different name is a detail for a footnote. Add a redirect under jetfire. -D-rok

Except for the Marvel comics. And the Dreamwave comics. WHOOPS. He's Skyfire in ''one out of three'' fictions, one out of ''four'' once you factor in the toys. So no, under Jetfire he should stay; the cartoon is the abberation. -- [[User: M Sipher|M Sipher]]

Sipher's right. He was not in Skyfire in every major continuity, only the cartoon. He was Jetfire in every single continuity BUT one. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:47, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

:...seriously? *rubs forehead* Man, i remembered it the other way around. I guess I'm too used to mentally correcting for it... :~(
**[http://web25655.babar.kontrollpanelen.se/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Jetfire Marvel TFU entry]
**[http://cyberstore.decepticon-matrix.com/comicswarwithin.html Check the solicitation text for TWW:Dark Ages]

How is a bio printed in a magazine connsidered a toy? [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 02:08, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the Jetfire that appeared in the G2 Manga was the same Jetfire that appeared in the cartoon series. For one thing, he was always referred to as "Skyfire", even in toy-form. This Jetfire would not appear to be the same character as Skyfire.--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 05:23, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

:He was the same character in the US, but IIRC, in Japan, the 3 Cyberjets (who were all old characters in the US) were new characters. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:10, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, thats what I heard. So I'll just teleport that manga summary to something like "Jetfire (G2)" and that'll be fine? Or should I just put a note saying that they're difference characters in Japan but the same character in the US?--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
:The latter sounds good. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

...I'm gonna go with Walky, provisionally. If Japan ever re-issues the Cyberjets or somethign with more story attached tot hem, this tac might change- but it's just... such a... footnote.

...wait, were the G2 Autobot Cyberjets Decepticon defectors? (Or something?) Wasnt' there... something else doing on? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

== Animated Continuity ==
I think "Fire in the Mountain" took place in Peru, not Brazil as stated in the article. I will confirm and correct if I find out for sure. --[[User:Suzyprime|Suzyprime]] 14:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, it's Peru, according to [[Fire on the Mountain]]. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:57, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

== Autobot Symbol ==

I recently bought the Classics Jetfire figure, but there's something a little odd, and the source of debate on a few TF forums I frequent. The Autobot symbols on his wings are orange. Well, they are on my figure. Is this the case with the others? Seen from a distance, it's definitely orange. Closer, though, it appears to darken to red. It's odd. Which is it, orange, or red? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:05, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

== Image storage ==
[[Image:Jetfire-JG2decal.jpg|thumb]]
Putting here so it doesn't show up in the unused file list. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:05, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
{{--}}

== Just curious... ==

Just curious, what's the rationale behind having the G1 cartoon stuff here rather than on a Skyfire page? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 15:03, 11 October 2009 (EDT)
: Skyfire is Jetfire. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:13, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

=="Jetfire" in G.I. Joe==
I knew I had these somewhere. From G.I. Joe: Special Missions #5:

[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/SpecialMissions05-Jetfire01a.jpg Slip-Stream and "Jetfire"]

[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/SpecialMissions05-Jetfire01b.jpg Close-up]

[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/SpecialMissions07-Letter.jpg Question/response about it from issue 7 letters page]

I dunno if this should go on Jetfire's page, on the G.I. Joe page, or what. Issue #5 is dated June 1987, meaning it was published after the G.I. Joe/Transformers crossover (dated November 1986 to February 1987). Or is this exchange already brought up somewhere? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 04:54, 4 April 2010 (EDT)

==Dark Skyfire==
Should Dark Skyfire get his own page? His bio clearly establishes him as a different character. [[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 16:12, 1 May 2010 (EDT)
:Is that why it says "he operated in the same organization as Skyfire", in the Dark Skyfire section of the article? I'm guessing this means that "Skyfire" and "Dark Skyfire" are two separate entities. By th way, that section of the article uses the word "Destron" instead of "Decepticon". I'm pretty sure that's against wiki policy. Anyway, split page ? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 23:49, 17 June 2010 (EDT)
::Destron is the Japanese name for the Decepticons. Henkei Henkei is a Japanese toyline/fiction, and is probably used on Skyfire's bio itself. So, uh, why would using "Destron" be against policy? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 00:04, 18 June 2010 (EDT)
:::Either way, if the article was split he'd be listed as a Decepticon. [[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 05:26, 18 June 2010 (EDT)
:::Maybe not against policy, but I thought using English-based names was the standard. The sections of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity]] regarding Japanese fiction still call him "Optimus Prime", and not "Convoy". The section on [[Kup (G1)]] regarding the Headmasters cartoon use "Kup" and not "Chea"/"Cha". [[From Here to Alternity]] uses the word "Autobots" in the article itself. So, my point is, English-based names are used even when summarising Japanese fiction. Thus, having "Destron" while referring to "Decepticon" ''within an article'' here is rather strange from what I can tell.

:::Anyway, ''is'' Dark Skyfire a separate character? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 06:08, 18 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::I think it's pretty clear that he is. [[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 19:52, 18 June 2010 (EDT)
: Isn't Dark Skyfire just Skyfire before he became an Autobot?[[User:TOM|TOM]] 11:40, 9 July 2010 (EDT)
::His bio says he worked alongside Skyfire.[[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 03:07, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
:I agree Dark Skyfire should be given his own page, until a piece of fiction contradicts or retcons his toy bio.[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 15:46, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
::Why are we even discussing this? They're two different dudes. Split the fuck out of 'em. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:01, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=71310 Hey, guys, let's take one badly translated paragraph and treat it as the word of God.] [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:47, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
:For fucks' sake, did nobody bother to check the [[Talk:Dark Skyfire|Dark Skyfire talk page]]? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:54, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
::I feel Belgian. (Note: For the purposes of this post, I am using "Belgian" as a synonym for "stupid".) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:57, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
:Lol. This ended up as the worst case of mistranslation this wiki has faced, I'm happy this has been resolved.[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 23:47, 25 July 2010 (EDT)

Moving the following from Talk: Dark Skyfire so that that page can be deleted--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:38, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/277807-black-henkei-jetfire-7.html#post4301072

This seems to just be Skyfire. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:00, 12 November 2009 (EST)

http://www.toyhobby.jp/commodity_param/ctc/2/shc/0/cmc/4904810376705/
:The profile confirmed that he is Skyfire as a Decepticons before the faction's militarization. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 06:27, 15 December 2009 (EST)
::I fully expect Fun Publications to repurpose this as SG Skyfire. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:25, 15 December 2009 (EST)

== Autobot Leader Jetfire ==

I see the wiki has a small blurb and a bad scan of the Dutch comic featuring Jetfire as leader of the autobots. Are you wiki people aware that his initial Dutch MB released toy also marks him as leader? He has a multilanguage techspec and is only leader in Dutch moon talk ;)
I could take some pics, scans, whatever if you guys want? Prime was only ever autobot commander. Technically Jetfire outranks him here. Here's a quick picture. {{unsigned|Argus}}

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/argusshaitan/IMAG0133.jpg
:Argus, do you have the minicomic that depicts Jetfire as Autobot leader? A full scan of that would be amazing - I don't think that's ever been on the internet. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 10:20, 19 August 2010 (EDT)
::Bizarre that his Dutch function would be completely different than those of the other translations--especially when it seems they all have the same motto. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 10:28, 19 August 2010 (EDT)
:::I do. It's been on the net though. I donated a copy for free to some guy using the nick Ginrai who was all Jetfire crazy back in the day. No idea where my leaflets are at the moment though but I do own a good enough scanner these days. Back then just giving a copy away was cheaper than having it scanned :)
The function and reasons for even the real Optimus being called Jetfire in the initial translations are allready in the Wiki I think. The motto's are indeed all the same bar some translation related minor details. SOme words just don't map 100% onto another.

Talk:Jetfire (G1)

2010-08-19T13:55:30Z

Argus: /* Autobot Leader Jetfire */ new section

because this wiki is character-focal, not toy-focal, I think this entry should be listed as Skyfire, not Jetfire. he was Skyfire in every major continuity, ever. That his toy had a different name is a detail for a footnote. Add a redirect under jetfire. -D-rok

Except for the Marvel comics. And the Dreamwave comics. WHOOPS. He's Skyfire in ''one out of three'' fictions, one out of ''four'' once you factor in the toys. So no, under Jetfire he should stay; the cartoon is the abberation. -- [[User: M Sipher|M Sipher]]

Sipher's right. He was not in Skyfire in every major continuity, only the cartoon. He was Jetfire in every single continuity BUT one. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:47, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

:...seriously? *rubs forehead* Man, i remembered it the other way around. I guess I'm too used to mentally correcting for it... :~(
**[http://web25655.babar.kontrollpanelen.se/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Jetfire Marvel TFU entry]
**[http://cyberstore.decepticon-matrix.com/comicswarwithin.html Check the solicitation text for TWW:Dark Ages]

How is a bio printed in a magazine connsidered a toy? [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 02:08, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the Jetfire that appeared in the G2 Manga was the same Jetfire that appeared in the cartoon series. For one thing, he was always referred to as "Skyfire", even in toy-form. This Jetfire would not appear to be the same character as Skyfire.--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 05:23, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

:He was the same character in the US, but IIRC, in Japan, the 3 Cyberjets (who were all old characters in the US) were new characters. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:10, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, thats what I heard. So I'll just teleport that manga summary to something like "Jetfire (G2)" and that'll be fine? Or should I just put a note saying that they're difference characters in Japan but the same character in the US?--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
:The latter sounds good. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

...I'm gonna go with Walky, provisionally. If Japan ever re-issues the Cyberjets or somethign with more story attached tot hem, this tac might change- but it's just... such a... footnote.

...wait, were the G2 Autobot Cyberjets Decepticon defectors? (Or something?) Wasnt' there... something else doing on? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

== Animated Continuity ==
I think "Fire in the Mountain" took place in Peru, not Brazil as stated in the article. I will confirm and correct if I find out for sure. --[[User:Suzyprime|Suzyprime]] 14:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, it's Peru, according to [[Fire on the Mountain]]. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:57, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

== Autobot Symbol ==

I recently bought the Classics Jetfire figure, but there's something a little odd, and the source of debate on a few TF forums I frequent. The Autobot symbols on his wings are orange. Well, they are on my figure. Is this the case with the others? Seen from a distance, it's definitely orange. Closer, though, it appears to darken to red. It's odd. Which is it, orange, or red? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:05, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

== Image storage ==
[[Image:Jetfire-JG2decal.jpg|thumb]]
Putting here so it doesn't show up in the unused file list. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:05, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
{{--}}

== Just curious... ==

Just curious, what's the rationale behind having the G1 cartoon stuff here rather than on a Skyfire page? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 15:03, 11 October 2009 (EDT)
: Skyfire is Jetfire. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:13, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

=="Jetfire" in G.I. Joe==
I knew I had these somewhere. From G.I. Joe: Special Missions #5:

[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/SpecialMissions05-Jetfire01a.jpg Slip-Stream and "Jetfire"]

[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/SpecialMissions05-Jetfire01b.jpg Close-up]

[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/SpecialMissions07-Letter.jpg Question/response about it from issue 7 letters page]

I dunno if this should go on Jetfire's page, on the G.I. Joe page, or what. Issue #5 is dated June 1987, meaning it was published after the G.I. Joe/Transformers crossover (dated November 1986 to February 1987). Or is this exchange already brought up somewhere? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 04:54, 4 April 2010 (EDT)

==Dark Skyfire==
Should Dark Skyfire get his own page? His bio clearly establishes him as a different character. [[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 16:12, 1 May 2010 (EDT)
:Is that why it says "he operated in the same organization as Skyfire", in the Dark Skyfire section of the article? I'm guessing this means that "Skyfire" and "Dark Skyfire" are two separate entities. By th way, that section of the article uses the word "Destron" instead of "Decepticon". I'm pretty sure that's against wiki policy. Anyway, split page ? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 23:49, 17 June 2010 (EDT)
::Destron is the Japanese name for the Decepticons. Henkei Henkei is a Japanese toyline/fiction, and is probably used on Skyfire's bio itself. So, uh, why would using "Destron" be against policy? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 00:04, 18 June 2010 (EDT)
:::Either way, if the article was split he'd be listed as a Decepticon. [[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 05:26, 18 June 2010 (EDT)
:::Maybe not against policy, but I thought using English-based names was the standard. The sections of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity]] regarding Japanese fiction still call him "Optimus Prime", and not "Convoy". The section on [[Kup (G1)]] regarding the Headmasters cartoon use "Kup" and not "Chea"/"Cha". [[From Here to Alternity]] uses the word "Autobots" in the article itself. So, my point is, English-based names are used even when summarising Japanese fiction. Thus, having "Destron" while referring to "Decepticon" ''within an article'' here is rather strange from what I can tell.

:::Anyway, ''is'' Dark Skyfire a separate character? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 06:08, 18 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::I think it's pretty clear that he is. [[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 19:52, 18 June 2010 (EDT)
: Isn't Dark Skyfire just Skyfire before he became an Autobot?[[User:TOM|TOM]] 11:40, 9 July 2010 (EDT)
::His bio says he worked alongside Skyfire.[[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 03:07, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
:I agree Dark Skyfire should be given his own page, until a piece of fiction contradicts or retcons his toy bio.[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 15:46, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
::Why are we even discussing this? They're two different dudes. Split the fuck out of 'em. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:01, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=71310 Hey, guys, let's take one badly translated paragraph and treat it as the word of God.] [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:47, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
:For fucks' sake, did nobody bother to check the [[Talk:Dark Skyfire|Dark Skyfire talk page]]? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:54, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
::I feel Belgian. (Note: For the purposes of this post, I am using "Belgian" as a synonym for "stupid".) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:57, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
:Lol. This ended up as the worst case of mistranslation this wiki has faced, I'm happy this has been resolved.[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 23:47, 25 July 2010 (EDT)

Moving the following from Talk: Dark Skyfire so that that page can be deleted--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:38, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/277807-black-henkei-jetfire-7.html#post4301072

This seems to just be Skyfire. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:00, 12 November 2009 (EST)

http://www.toyhobby.jp/commodity_param/ctc/2/shc/0/cmc/4904810376705/
:The profile confirmed that he is Skyfire as a Decepticons before the faction's militarization. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 06:27, 15 December 2009 (EST)
::I fully expect Fun Publications to repurpose this as SG Skyfire. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:25, 15 December 2009 (EST)

== Autobot Leader Jetfire ==

I see the wiki has a small blurb and a bad scan of the Dutch comic featuring Jetfire as leader of the autobots. Are you wiki people aware that his initial Dutch MB released toy also marks him as leader? He has a multilanguage techspec and is only leader in Dutch moon talk ;)
I could take some pics, scans, whatever if you guys want? Prime was only ever autobot commander. Technically Jetfire outranks him here. Here's a quick picture.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/argusshaitan/IMAG0133.jpg