https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/api.php?action=feedcontributions&feedformat=atom&user=Aureole 2026-05-22T19:13:56Z User contributions MediaWiki 1.45.3 https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Trepan&diff=851917 2014-02-05T11:47:52Z

<p>Aureole: /* Notes */</p> <hr /> <div>{{factions|autobot}}<br /> :''Trepan is a [[Transformer]] from the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW portion]] of the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''<br /> [[File:Shadowplay2 Trepan.jpg|thumb|300px|Would you buy a used body from this man?]]<br /> '''Trepan''' is as shadowy as they come. Ostensibly a worker at a [[Relinquishment Clinic]], Trepan is actually a part of the shadowy facility known as the [[Institute]], conducting [[mnemosurgery]], [[Shadowplay]], and [[Primus]] knows what else in the field of warping minds. As a member of a clandestine organization, he should probably be more discreet about what he gets engraved on himself.<br /> <br /> ==Fiction==<br /> ===IDW Generation 1 continuity===<br /> Prior to war breaking out on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Trepan was part of an Institute facility under a Relinquishment Clinic somewhere near [[Translucentica Heights]]. When [[Prowl (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Prowl]] and [[Chromedome (G1)|Tumbler]] came visiting while investigating a murder at the Heights. Though Trepan turned on the charm and denied he'd seen either of the two suspects before, Tumbler noticed an engraving on his wrist, which Trepan tried to gloss over, but was forced to admit under further questioning said &quot;cleanse and control&quot;, though he tried to claim he used to work in sanitation. The two cops promptly cuffed him and discovered the facility under the clinic. Once they returned from their investigation, Trepan had escaped. {{storylink|Shadowplay, Part 2: Patternism|Patternism}}<br /> <br /> During the Great War, Tumbler actually became Trepan's apprentice! (He was so good Tumbler was given the name &quot;Chromedome&quot;) The two worked at the New Institute, which was basically the old Institute with a rebranding by [[Zeta Prime (G1)|Zeta Prime]], and secretly altered the minds of potential rogues Autobots to keep them 'on message'. Trepan also altered Decepticons and it was when he planned to reprogram Soundwave that this came back to bite him: [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]] turned up to save Soundwave and kidnapped Trepan in the process. He was forced to teach Overlord the secrets of mnemosurgery as part of the Decepticon's plan to destroy [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]], but only got so far before Megatron found out and had him killed. {{storylink|Remembrance Day}}<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> *[[Wikipedia:Trepanning|Trepanning]] is a surgical procedure involving making a hole in the patient's skull.<br /> *http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/trepan 'Trepan' is also an archaic term meaning a person who ensnares or entraps others; a stratagem.<br /> <br /> [[Category:Comic-only Transformers]]<br /> [[Category:Generation 1 Transformers]]</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Mortilus&diff=851194 2014-02-03T12:54:25Z

<p>Aureole: Created page with &quot;What&#039;s actually with Unicron in the IDW G1 storyline? He&#039;s never been mentioned, I think and it appears he doesn&#039;t exist at all. Can anyone confirm or disconfirm this? Him and...&quot;</p> <hr /> <div>What's actually with Unicron in the IDW G1 storyline? He's never been mentioned, I think and it appears he doesn't exist at all. Can anyone confirm or disconfirm this? Him and Mortilus are definitely similar, but different enough to be sure Unicron wasn't just renamed. --[[User:Aureole|Aureole]] ([[User talk:Aureole|talk]]) 07:54, 3 February 2014 (EST)</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Mortilus&diff=824454 2013-09-01T14:14:11Z

<p>Aureole: </p> <hr /> <div>:''Mortilus is a deity from the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW portion]] of the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''<br /> [[File:Mortilus.jpg‎|350px|thumb| I was Megatron before Mega was even a prefix!]]<br /> <br /> '''Mortilus''' the Death-bringer was a god during the earliest period of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].<br /> <br /> ==Fiction==<br /> ===IDW Generation 1 continuity===<br /> The Death-bringer's origins were tied to [[Primus]], the First Light when [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] was initially formed. In that time, the [[Light God]] split his essence into five avatars of his being. These included Mortilus, [[Solomus]], [[Epistemus]], [[Adaptus]] and Primus himself, who all formed a pantheon of deities called the [[Guiding Hand]]. Mortilus became the Death-bringer who represented the necessary corollary to life. These gods brought about the first [[Golden Age]] for Cybertronians, which was shattered when Mortilus brought division amongst them, as he wanted to wage war against the cosmos. His dissension saw Solomus entrapped in a [[Matrix of Leadership|crystal container]], Epistemus as a [[brain module]], Adaptus as a [[transformation cog]] and mortally wounded Primus himself. Mortilus' rebellion caused Cybertron to shudder and ripped asunder its first moon. Ultimately, he was destroyed and his death allowed Cybertronian [[spark]]s to burn for eternity as immortals. {{Storylink|Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations}}<br /> <br /> Mortilus' rebellion also spawned monsters to lay waste to Cybertron, including the beast known as [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]. In their own ways these creatures were nearly the equal of a [[Metrotitan (body-type)|Metrotitan]], and [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] was required to subdue Trypticon. {{storylink|The Illusion of Control}}<br /> <br /> While explaining to [[Springarm]] that he was skeptical of religion, [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Orion Pax]] listed Primus, Mortilus and Adaptus as examples of gods he didn't believe in. {{storylink|Chaos Theory Part 2}}<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> * Mortilus, the death-bringer, is not to be confused with Unicron who represents chaos and seeks to undo Primus' order.<br /> <br /> <br /> [[Category:Generation 1 gods]]</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Teeth&diff=799835 2013-05-02T19:55:22Z

<p>Aureole: </p> <hr /> <div>==And where is Prime Megatron?==<br /> There is no mention of Prime Megatron's shiny shark teeth here? I'm disappointed. --[[User:Aureole|Aureole]] 15:55, 2 May 2013 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Arcee==<br /> Hmm, notable absence of [http://www.seibertron.com/images/news/gfx/1200678297_ACpg01_colors_b.jpg Spotlight:Arcee] art here?<br /> :I agree. This page does need some sort of mention of Alex Milne's tendency to give his Transformers some catgirl teeth. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:26, 14 June 2010 (EDT)</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Heel_struts&diff=799834 2013-05-02T19:48:23Z

<p>Aureole: </p> <hr /> <div>[[Image:E38 heelstruts.jpg|right|255px|thumb|Heels this high can really turn heads!]]<br /> {{quote|And who designs a robot with high heels?}}<br /> {{quote|I don't know, but when I find him, aarugh!|[[Sari Sumdac]] and [[Flareup (G1)|Flareup]]|&quot;[[Bee in the City]]&quot;}}<br /> <br /> &quot;'''Heel struts'''&quot; (also sometimes referred to as '''High Heels''') are part of Transformer anatomy. They are common on Transformers who have a relatively low foot surface area whose point-of-contact is concentrated somewhere forward of the ankle joint.<br /> <br /> This arrangement allows a Transformer greater dynamic stability by re-locating the ankle joints away from the center-of-balance axis, and reduces wear on the ankles by allowing the foot to flex before absorbing an impact. Heel struts can increase the leverage afforded by the ankle joints by distributing the pressure over a larger area, dramatically increasing a Transformer's static stability without the need for big, clunky feet.<br /> <br /> Heel struts are more common on Transformers with small frames or a high center of gravity. It has been noted that a disproportionate number of [[female Transformer]]s have heel struts... but female Transformers also tend to have smaller frames and lack the big clunky feet of [[Swindle (G1)|many male Transformers]]. Of course, some [[Scrapper_(G1)|male characters]] '''[[Devastator_(G1)|have]]''' heel struts, so maybe that balances it out.<br /> <br /> Also, they make their butts move sexily when they walk.<br /> <br /> Heel struts should not be confused with reverse articulated knees or triple-jointed legs, both of which feature the forward-canted foot, but typically lack the stabilizing strut behind it.<br /> <br /> ==Fiction==<br /> ===''Prime'' cartoon===<br /> When the Autobots were trying to figure out how MECH built [[Nemesis Prime (Prime)|Nemesis Prime]], Ratchet said that [[MECH]] disassembled [[Breakdown (WFC)|Breakdown]] &quot;from [[cranial chamber]] to heel-strut&quot;. {{storylink|Nemesis Prime (episode)|Nemesis Prime}}<br /> <br /> Smokescreen once called Starscream 'the stiletto-heeled freak'.<br /> <br /> [[Category:Transformer anatomy]]</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Religion&diff=799762 2013-05-02T13:36:24Z

<p>Aureole: </p> <hr /> <div>==Christian Transformers==<br /> <br /> Funny as it is, there appears to be a minority/cult (?) of Christian Transformers, especially the Japanese parts of the fiction suggest something like this. At the beginning of Transformers:Victory a village of Transformers is under attack - the village definitely has a Transformer sized Christian church. At one point in the Headmasters cartoon one of them prays in a Christin fashion (I can't remember the exact words but it was /definitely/ Christian); I'm sure there are other instances. How are we going to handle /that/? Maybe mention it in the same section as Xal and the lesser used 'religions'? --[[User:Aureole|Aureole]] 09:36, 2 May 2013 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Derik-Z is described alternately as 'the god of the Destrons' and a guardian angel who's looked after/been worshiped by them. I peg Devil-Z as a minor mythological figure, a sorta patron-deity of the Decepticon cause, but not a primary worship-figure like Primus is. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:28, 11 November 2006 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> :&quot;'''Derik-Z'''&quot;? Delusions of godhood, have we? :) -Autobus Prime<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Do Transformers have something like churches? There are a few holy places around, for instance the planet's core in War For Cybertron, but do you think they actually have buildings to worship Primus (or other gods)?--[[User:Aureole|Aureole]] 15:14, 20 July 2010 (EDT)<br /> :The [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] has an altar to Primus. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:23, 20 July 2010 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Dreamwave==<br /> Bah, this article needs a Dreamwave section - the Sunstorm stuff under Marvel Comics continuity &gt; Believers is totally misplaced, especially as Bumblebee was a believer (apparently) under Dreamwave and had never heard of Primus in Marvel. I'll write it myself if I can remember where to look (does MTMTE#8 have anything on this?) but if anyone else wants a crack at rearranging it (and I don't have to plough through DW looking for religious references) please, be my guest --18:34, 20 July 2010 (EDT)</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Religion&diff=799737 2013-05-02T13:00:44Z

<p>Aureole: /* IDW Generation 1 continuity */</p> <hr /> <div>As in human cultures, in many continuities the Transformers have possessed '''religion''' to help them explain and cope with their place in the universe. There are various [[god]]s and religious figures the Transformers are known to believe in. In continuities where they exist, Transformer spiritual and religious beliefs are usually specifically illustrated to be truth rather than legend or superstition.<br /> <br /> The [[Covenant of Primus]] is a compilation of prophecies that can be regarded as the Transformers bible.<br /> <br /> ==Generation 1 cartoon continuity==<br /> In the original [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' cartoon]], despite the lead characters witnessing supernatural occurrences such as [[magic]] and [[ghosts]] on a number of occasions without any apparent amazement or surprise, there is little direct evidence for general Transformer spiritual or religious beliefs. [[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]] recommends praying before battle, but does not specify to whom. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness}}<br /> <br /> It is known that the spirits of [[Prime (rank)|Autobot leaders]] past dwell within the [[Matrix of Leadership]] even after their deaths, but the mechanism of this is unknown. A living Autobot leader can journey within the Matrix to commune with them and receive visions of the past. (Rodimus needed to be near death to achieve this, but Optimus could instigate it at will.) It is unknown how spiritual or how mechanical this whole process is.<br /> <br /> The best, if not only, other evidence we have comes from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' with the apparent prophecy that &quot;one day an Autobot shall rise from our ranks, and use the power of the Matrix to light our [[darkest hour]]&quot; and the repetition, prayer-like, of the phrase &quot;[['Til all are one]].&quot;<br /> <br /> <br /> == Marvel Comics continuity ==<br /> [[File:Primus original.jpg|200px|thumb|No resemblance to Hot Rod whatsoever, no siree, no foreshadowing here!]]<br /> This is where the concept of Transformer religion and spiritual beliefs really took form and spread. Nearly all subsequent uses of Transformer religion derive from the foundation laid in these stories. <br /> <br /> === Primary beliefs ===<br /> The story of the gods [[Primus]] and [[Unicron]] went through several iterations as they were retold by different speakers over the course of the US and UK comic run. The most distinct difference across these revisions was the fading out of their respective pantheons. When first told, by Unicron, Primus and Unicron were each merely part of a whole pantheon of other light and dark gods respectively. In the next version, by the [[Keeper (Transformer)|Keeper]], they were the last of their pantheons, the others already having been destroyed or passed on to the [[Omniversal Matrix]]. Finally, in the version told by Primus, they were each unique beings with the existence of other gods ignored or refuted. This final version is the most frequently borrowed by later material. (The [[BotCon]] &quot;Reaching the Omega Point&quot; story being the notable exception, see below.)<br /> <br /> One legend surrounding Primus is that of the [[Last Autobot]], Primus' final guardian who would come after the god's passing and the defeat of Unicron.<br /> {{-}}<br /> === Sacred artifacts ===<br /> [[File:Creation Matrix 65.jpg|left|200px|thumb|This is the strangest Pokeball I've ever seen.]]<br /> The [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]] is the living essence of Primus' life force and considered a sacred artifact. The bearer of it is gifted with the power to create new Transformer life. Each Matrix bearer, known as a Prime, takes a derivation of the name Primus as part of his own. Five have existed: [[Prima]], [[Prime Nova]], [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]], Optimus Prime, and Rodimus Prime. Though its existence was well known, the manifest physical nature of the Matrix was not, thus it was ignored by Shockwave when he captured Optimus and, following his death, was launched into space with Optimus' body by his fellow Autobots.<br /> <br /> [[File:Matrixflame.jpg|200px|thumb|Noooooo! Someone blew the candle out!]]<br /> The [[Matrix Flame]] on Cybertron is set in a golden brazier on a green altar, and tended by a [[Matrix Flame priest|red tabard clad acolyte]]. It is the living embodiment of the sacred Creation Matrix. Its status indicates that of the Matrix and its bearer.<br /> <br /> Several scriptural texts were recorded in the [[Covenant of Primus]], believed to be prophetic. Only two copies existed.<br /> <br /> {{-}}<br /> === Believers ===<br /> After millennia of war, many Transformers regarded Primus and Unicron as mere legends or disregarded them entirely. On hearing the name Primus spoken Bumblebee claims to have almost forgotten the Transformers ever had a God. Even when confronted with a giant head at the center of their planet Grimlock does not at first accept the myth of Primus and Unicron as true.<br /> <br /> On the other hand, [[Emirate]] [[Xaaron]] appears to have believed, and Optimus Prime, likely due to his being Prime, was quick to accept Primus and Unicron. Interestingly, though he is bearer of Primus's life force, Optimus was not one to unthinkingly and zealously follow his god, harboring, at times, serious misgivings and distrust about the use to which Primus was putting his children.<br /> <br /> One of Primus' most devoted warriors was without a doubt [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]]. Due to an accident in the lab where he was created, data from Cybertron's core itself got written into his software, bestowing him with vast knowledge about his race, their planet and maybe even Primus' future plans. Sunstorm himself believes to be a supernatural being and his god's holy prophet, whether this is closer to truth or misguidance stays unknown. [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]], though being an atheist, admitted that he would never be sure about him.<br /> <br /> There were likely still some number of true believers, even prior to Primus' reemergence, as the tender of the Matrix Flame and the purple cloaked monk-like elders who aid Prime in the Generation 2 comics attest.<br /> <br /> ==Reaching the Omega Point==<br /> The only other Transformer God, aside from Primus and Unicron, to appear in any story shows up here: The [[Chronarchitect]]. He is presumably of Primus' pantheon (see Marvel Comics above) given his alliance. He is the god of time.<br /> <br /> ==Beast Wars/Machines==<br /> The Transformers have a belief in &quot;the Matrix&quot;, where the sparks of the dead go and exist together. It would turn out this is an actual dimension, the [[Allspark]], where all sparks that exist, have existed, or ever will exist originate, existing as a collective whole.<br /> <br /> ==Unicron Trilogy==<br /> While exploring Cybertron's interior [[Brian Jones (Energon)|Dr. Brian Jones]] was transported to an long-abandoned temple where offerings of [[energon]] had been left for the legendary &quot;[[Omega Supreme (Energon)|guardian of energon]]&quot; who had protected Cybertron long before the current generation of Transformers was created. Prior to witnessing [[Ancient Guardian]]'s reactivation, Jones believed these stories were just myths. {{storylink|Crash Course}} ''The Japanese version of this episode describes the Energon offerings as happening 'tens of thousands of years ago.'''<br /> <br /> ==Aligned==<br /> While Primus and Unicron are generally accepted to exist, especially since [[Energon]] is the emanation of the former, the [[Thirteen|thirteen original Transformers]] and the artifacts surrounding them were a matter of belief. [[Jazz (WFC)|Jazz]] didn't believe the 13 existed, though he felt there were great lessons to be learned from the stories surrounding them, while [[Soundwave (WFC)|Soundwave]] saw little use in [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] gaining the Matrix of Leadership. Many Cybertronians were pious enough to be offended when the [[Decepticon]]s bombed the [[Sonic Canyons]], which they incorrectly believed to be the entrance to [[Vector Sigma]] (which was actually located in [[Kaon]]).<br /> <br /> ==IDW Generation 1 continuity==<br /> <br /> Religion is barely mentioned in the present day, with the exception of [[Primacron (G1)|Primacron]]'s name being an oath to some Autobots. However, their pre-war society had an elaborate theology around the deities of Primus, [[Mortilus]], [[Solomus]], [[Epistemus]] and [[Adaptus]]; of the &quot;[[Primal Prophecies]]&quot; and the [[Underbase]]; and of trying to channel the Matrix when in doubt. The [[Knights of Cybertron]], which did exist, had themselves become figures of myth to some. {{storylink|Chaos Theory Part 2}}<br /> <br /> == The multiversal mythos ==<br /> Beginning around the time of ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'', a new version of the Primus/Unicron story began to take shape. This new mythos was most notable for its multiversal nature: it applied not just to the new [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]] but also to the new iterations of Generation 1 being created by [[Dreamwave Productions]] and to the multiversal ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Machines]]'' spin-off [[Transformers: Universe (2003 franchise)|Transformers: Universe]]. In fact, by its very nature the new Multiversal Mythos attempted to apply itself to everything, even retroactively to past continuity where it was often a not-so-easy fit.<br /> <br /> The basics of this new version of the myth are that both Primus and Unicron were created by &quot;The One,&quot; an original God-being, and sent out into the universe as emissaries/explorers. Unicron goes bad and Primus must stop him. For some unexplained reason Primus exists in all possible continuities simultaneously (picture a single string stretching through many rooms) and his destruction in any one of them would destroy all creation, while Unicron, on the other hand, exists in only one Universe at a time ever. There are no &quot;alternate reality&quot; multiversal versions of Unicron, he's just one single God who leaps between universes (picture a ball of yarn thrown from room to room).<br /> <br /> Needless to say this is a tricky bit of [[retcon]]ning that is hard to mesh with the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|original cartoon]] (where there was no Primus and Unicron was only a robot made by [[Primacron (G1)|Primacron]]) or the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel Comics]] where Primus is stated to have died and the multiverse doesn't implode.<br /> <br /> == Alternate beliefs ==<br /> ===Cult of Unicron===<br /> [[File:Acolyte of unicron.jpg|200px|thumb|Trick or Treat?]]<br /> Some Transformers have willingly (or unwillingly) come to serve the dark god Unicron. [[The Fallen]] was the first of these.<br /> <br /> In the Marvel comics, before their long sleep Unicron was able to bury a powerful compulsion in the minds of a number of Transformers causing them to form a secret cult of Unicron, which attempted to slay Optimus Prime upon his being named the leader of Primus' forces.<br /> <br /> ===Decepticon religion?===<br /> The Decepticon myth of the [[Last Autobot|Ultimate Warrior]] appears to be a corruption of the [[Last Autobot]] story. In the Marvel Comic the mystically inclined Decepticon [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] dedicated his life to the &quot;teachings&quot; of the Ultimate Warrior, a path that may be taken as a possible alternate Cybertronian religion. <br /> <br /> In Dreamwave's second ''[[Transformers: The War Within|The War Within]]'' miniseries Bludgeon and other like-minded Decepticon mystics are shown to commune with and worship [[Dark science|&quot;dark&quot; mystical forces]] in attempt to gain power.<br /> <br /> The Japanese Generation 1 series present two characters that might also factor in to a Decepticon religion. [[Devil Z]] is described alternately as 'the god of the Destrons' and a guardian angel who's looked after/been worshiped by them. After Devil Z's destruction a new supernatural being arises to lead the Decepticons: [[Violen Jiger]]. A demon-like being said to be born from many angry Decepticon sparks, V.J. possessed the supernatural ability to raise the dead.<br /> <br /> ===The Covenant's Megatron===<br /> The name &quot;[[Megatron (myth)|Megatron]]&quot; appears in the Covenant of Primus, referring to a dread figure that brings great destruction and is spread throughout time: verses refer to Megatron as &quot;the beginning and the end&quot;, and the figure himself declare he's &quot;that which is, which was, and is yet to come&quot;. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 2}}<br /> <br /> We don't know what link this has to [[Megatron (G1)|the Decepticon leader Megatron]], but the [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Predacon Megatron]] explicitly states that he took his name from the Covenant figure. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 1}}<br /> <br /> ===Xal===<br /> The [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian]] [[Mindset (G2)|Mindset]], in a moment of great fear, screamed &quot;Great [[Xal]] protect me!&quot;. {{storylink|Swarm (issue)|Swarm}} The nature of Xal is unknown, though the Cybertronians appear familiar with the concept of Primus which indicates Xal is a separate entity.<br /> <br /> In the ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers Animated]]'' continuity, Xal appears to be a principal deity believed in by Cybertronians; those heard swearing by Xal's name include [[Kup (Animated)|Kup]], [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] and [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]]. The deity's name is also one of the ten star signs Cybertronians are born under. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|The AllSpark Almanac II}}<br /> <br /> ===Atechnogenesis===<br /> [[File:Wellofallsparks.jpg|200px|thumb|Em..., I think I need a stiff drink now.]]<br /> {{main|Atechnogenesis}}<br /> [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] is often portrayed as being a Transformer atheist due to his scientific worldview. In IDW's comic series he swears by [[Primacron (G1)|Primacron]] rather than Primus. (Although what that implies about said continuity beyond being a cute in-joke is unknown. [[Scoop (G1)|Scoop]] swears by him later on in the same issue.)<br /> <br /> {{-}}<br /> <br /> ==Fiction==<br /> ===Marvel Comics continuity===<br /> {{noteukonly}}<br /> When the Transformers first woke up on [[Earth]], the [[Autobot]]s mistook vehicles and other machines for life forms. When driving past a drive-in, they could not figure out why the Earthlings were all lined up staring at moving pictures on the large screen. [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] suggested it might be a religious ritual. [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] wondered why they would be worshiping the strange images ([[human]]s [[kiss]]ing) that appeared on the screen. {{storylink|The Transformers (issue)|The Transformers}}<br /> <br /> [[File:Muk97-guardianspirit.jpg|thumb|200px]]<br /> <br /> ''While being hunted by the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacon]]s, [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime's]] thoughts turned to whatever guardian spirit watches over him and how his current predicament probably stretched the spirit's grace to the limit.'' {{storylink|Prey!}}<br /> <br /> While the [[Rescue Patrol (G1)|Rescue Patrol]] and the Autobot [[Classic Pretender]]s were preparing to travel to Earth from [[Autobase]], [[Xaaron|Emirate Xaaron]] called on [[Primus]] to watch over them on their return journey. [[Bumblebee (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Bumblebee]] thanked him for reminding him that the Autobots had god. Nobody had mentioned that legendary figure to Bumblebee in recent memory, and he had completely forgotten about him.<br /> <br /> As the seven Autobots entered the [[trans-time dimensional portal]] for return to Earth, the [[Mayhem Attack Squad]] appeared, messed with the control panel, and followed them through the portal, which sent them to the center of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. At the end of the tunnel they were walking in, they stumbled on Primus's chamber. {{storylink|Yesterday's Heroes!}}<br /> <br /> The [[Keeper (Transformer)|Keeper]] was there and yelled at them to bow in their unworthiness before their creator, their living god. Bumblebee, [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]], and the Rescue Patrol complied, but [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] thought they were fools for falling for such trickery. He demanded proof in the form of the story how he was created.<br /> <br /> The Keeper explained that the age of the gods of light and darkness was almost at an end. Life, in many forms was spreading through the cosmos. Primus had one more job to do before taking his place within the [[Omniversal Matrix]]—destroy [[Unicron]]. They fought, but Primus was not faring very well, so he fled. Unicron followed and they were both imprisoned within asteroids. Over time, both beings transformed their asteroid prisons. Unicron changed his asteroid into a transforming planetoid body. Primus built a [[Transformer]] army to fight Unicron for him, and instilled his life essence into the [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]]. Primus slept, waiting for the time when his creations would be ready for the epic battle. The Mayhem Attack Squad interrupted, killing the Keeper. A battle ensued which resulted in Primus getting shot in the face. The blast did no damage, but woke Primus long enough to be detected by Unicron over their psychic link. {{storylink|The Primal Scream|Primal Scream}}<br /> <br /> Later, Optimus Prime was feeling uncomfortable with the mystical aspects of the Creation Matrix and so paid a visit to the altar on board the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] there he reached out to the Matrix, only to find that it was tainted by evil. He foresaw a future of oblivion for the Autobots and Decepticons. {{storylink|Kings of the Wild Frontier.}}<br /> <br /> {{stub}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Religion| ]]</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Rainmaker&diff=609697 2011-07-15T10:51:48Z

<p>Aureole: /* Notes */</p> <hr /> <div>{{faction|decepticon}}<br /> :''The Rainmakers are a [[Decepticon]] [[subgroup]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''<br /> <br /> [[Image:Rainmakers.jpg|right|300px|thumb|All the colors of the rainbow, except for one...]] <br /> The Decepticons known colloquially as the '''Rainmakers''' are part of [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s [[Cybertron Guard|forces]] on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. Each one is a [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]] with a bright, single-color paint job. (The green member, [[Acid Storm]], did find a more exciting palette.) They retain their original Cybertronic &quot;tetrajet&quot; alternate modes. <br /> <br /> As their name implies, they can make rain. [[Acid rain|''Acid'' rain]].<br /> <br /> ==Fiction==<br /> ===''The Transformers'' cartoon===<br /> When a group of [[Autobot|Autobots]] and [[Chip Chase]] journeyed to Cybertron to fetch a [[cosmitron]] for a wounded [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]], Megatron sent the trio to make things difficult for our heroes with a dose of [[acid rain]].<br /> <br /> Guess what? They failed. {{storylink|Divide and Conquer}}<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> <br /> *Despite the many different designations thought up by fans, the yellow and the blue Rainmaker have never been officially named by Hasbro or any other company. Their names are officially unknown.<br /> <br /> * The term &quot;rainmakers&quot; was originally used by [[Bluestreak (G1)|Bluestreak]] as a colloquial description of their actions. However, repeated [[Fandom|fan usage]] has turned this into a widely accepted name for the group, which was eventually made official as such by Hasbro's bio for [[Acid Storm]].<br /> <br /> * A common piece of [[fanon]] identifies the all-yellow Rainmaker as the partially yellow [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]]. However, even taking into consideration the haphazard coloring typically given to generic Seekers, chances are in favour of their not being the same guy. After being asked the question during the August 2010 Q&amp;A, Hasbro confirmed that the yellow Rainmaker was not Sunstorm, but some as-yet-unnamed guy. &lt;ref&gt;[http://www.asmzine.com/geekly-rewind/2010/07/26/hasbro-transformers-qa-july-2010-answers August 2010 Q&amp;A on ASMzine:] ''&quot;When the right opportunities arise, the other Seekers seen in the original television series such as Acid Storm have been named and given official backgrounds. Unfortunately, not every character that has appeared on screen has made the transition into other forms of media or even product. Because of this fact, there has been no official backgrounds created for these characters.&quot;''&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> * The acid rain only affected the Autobots. Chip Chase was utterly unharmed. Make of ''that'' what you will.<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> &lt;references /&gt;<br /> <br /> [[Category:Cartoon-only Transformers]]<br /> [[Category:Decepticon subgroups]]<br /> [[Category:Generation 1 subgroups]]<br /> [[Category:Seekers]]</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Covenant_of_Primus&diff=565723 2011-03-12T21:27:22Z

<p>Aureole: /* Exodus */</p> <hr /> <div>Argh. Why is this pasted from the Wikipedia article? A wikipedia article that's flagged for improper wiki formatting? This needs a total rewrite, and is useless in its current form. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:22, 12 June 2006 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> I swear up, down, back, forth and sideways that I once read that the second copy of the Covenant was not on the Nemesis, but was stolen by Tarantulas before leaving Cybertron, who then left it on the Nemesis, where Megatron found it. Am I going nuts? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 00:22, 9 September 2006 (UTC)<br /> :Doesn't ring any bells to me. The only thing we're told is that there's two copies, one on the Ark and one on the Nemesis. Anything beyond that has been left alone, I'm pretty sure. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:26, 9 September 2006 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Mmn, it's just that they never actually say that the second copy was on the Nemesis from the start. Primal says &quot;One copy was aboard the Ark,&quot; so that's clear-cut, but when Megatron speaks of the second copy being on the Nemesis, he mentions it as part of a list that also consists of the Predacon control console and the transwarp cell, both of which are the work of Tarantulas, as if the Covenant being there was his doing as well. I have no idea where I actually READ that he pilfered it, but for whatever reason, that's what I've believed up until now without giving it much thought. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 00:30, 9 September 2006 (UTC)<br /> :::I'm not sure where Tarantulas would get a CoP, though, or why he would even have one. It's G1 Megatron who has the Covenant of Primus boner (at least, in Dreamwave continuity, and it's implied he took his name from it as well), so it makes sense to me it was there to begin with. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:35, 9 September 2006 (UTC)<br /> ::::Hadn't thought of G1 Megs's connection to the book... makes sense. Damn, though, I just wish I could figure out where the fudge I read that! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 00:39, 9 September 2006 (UTC)<br /> :::::Aaaand since I was quote hunting for the answer below, the full quote re the covenant is: &quot;Excellent! Even after his demise, the spider's treachery remains my best asset. Observe! A refurbished ship with a transwarp cell. A Predacon control console. And, best of all, a Covenant of Primus!&quot; He's totally crediting Tarantulas with the Covenant being there. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 00:54, 9 September 2006 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Did Megatron (BW) name himself after the verses int he CoP? others and the impression that he needs in cell after generation one Megatron Who had named himself after the covenant of primus . -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:44, 9 September 2006 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : this will teach me to attempt to use my voice recognition software on the WIKI . -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:46, 9 September 2006 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::In &quot;Nemesis,&quot; Part 1, Megsy specifically says, &quot;It was from these tracks that I took my name.&quot; He chose to name himself after the god-like figure of destruction the book spoke of, who he would ultimately turn out to actually be. It's probably more widely-believed that he took it from G1 Megatron, though, and Dreamwave didn't help that when they had him change his name after reading the information on the Golden Disk, as he if was changing his name after reading about his predecessor. It is, of course, much more fun to think that G1 Megatron took the name from the Covenant as well, so it was actually HE who took BW Megs's name, rather than the other way around. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 00:52, 9 September 2006 (UTC)<br /> :::But how did BW Megatron know about that passage if the only copies of the Covenant were on Earth? I always kind of assumed that it was a time paradox with BW Megs taking his name from the original Megatron who in turn took it from the Covenant passage written about BW Megatron (...wow that's confusing), but considering Beast Wars' take on time travel I'm not so sure that makes sense.<br /> ::::Both copies weren't on Earth. There's no indication of what happened to the Covenants between G1 and BW - the one from the Ark may have been taken back to Cybertron, and he read it from that. And as has been discussed a while back, the other copy was ''not'' aboard the Nemesis, having been on Cybertron until it was brought back by Tarantulas, so Megs could have stuck his nose in that one, too. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Caption source? ==<br /> Are the &quot;books&quot; mentioned in the caption ACTUALLY from something or are they somply made up as a joke? If the latter I would suggest changing it as it's potentially missleading which is a no-no in our humor. --[[User:71.235.142.128|71.235.142.128]] 14:26, 10 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> : As works well when we went to clarify something as a joke, without ruining the joke, I added a Pratchett-esque footnote. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:06, 10 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> ::Perfect. Good job. And thank you. --[[User:71.235.142.128|71.235.142.128]] 15:30, 10 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Apelinq quote ==<br /> I thought the &quot;Cursed curiosity compelled me to stay&quot; thing from Omega Point was just Apelinq self-narrating why he decided to fight Shokaract when he could have just gone home to Beast Machines. When is it suggested that it's from TF scripture? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:09, 20 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Tengu, Apelinq Journals. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:40, 20 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::And, dammit, that line is cited! What do you need me for? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:41, 20 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Interpretation ==<br /> <br /> I have a problem with following Interpretation of one of the lines:<br /> <br /> The &quot;sun and its brother&quot; are Sunstorm and Starscream.<br /> <br /> This makes no sense, since Sunstorm is not really a G1 character and was invented way after Beast Wars, I suggest that it gets taken down. {{unsigned|Dead Metal|17:52, 29 April 2008}}<br /> :The line is from the Dreamwave ''Generation One'' comic. As indicated by the article. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:18, 29 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Really? still I would somehow put that into a different continuety section thingy, since the DW G1 stuff isn't part of the cartoon continuety. {{unsigned|Dead Metal|08:25, 11 May 2008}}<br /> <br /> == Exodus ==<br /> <br /> I'm not done reading it yet, but it seems Exodus is going to prompt a revamp of this article. It doesn't ''contradict'' anything here, from what I can tell. However, it does ''explain'' a great deal of things already in the article.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&lt;sup&gt;Talk&lt;/sup&gt;]] 01:15, 4 July 2010 (EDT)<br /> :I think the Exodus stuff should be split out. The [[Hasbro Q&amp;A/September 2010: Answers|modern]] [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=74182 continuity] seems to be its own thing and doesn't affect other continuities. Having Exodus info in the introduction doesn't seem appropriate. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:11, 18 January 2011 (EST)<br /> :: I also think mixing the info from Exodus with the rest of G1 is not a great idea. 'Megatronus' is no name that ever appeared in G1, it also doesn't really make sense for Megatron to take that name (as he does in the movie-continuity) since megatron is simply called 'megatron' in the covenant. War for Cybertron is officially a different continuity --[[User:Aureole|Aureole]] 16:27, 12 March 2011 (EST)</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Hytherion&diff=542273 2011-01-08T17:19:04Z

<p>Aureole: /* Auto-avatar? */</p> <hr /> <div>Well... there's a picture of Hytherion on Megatron's instruction sheet, but it's tiiiiiiiny.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&lt;sup&gt;Talk&lt;/sup&gt;]] 23:01, 6 July 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Extra page for monsters?==<br /> Maybe there should be an extra page that lists all monsters and beasts of all Transformers-continuities? There are so many.--[[User:Aureole|Aureole]] 12:19, 8 January 2011 (EST)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Auto-avatar? ==<br /> <br /> Hi.<br /> <br /> <br /> Is one of the colour variants of ''Alternity'' Megatron supposed to be a manifestation of Hytherion itself, or are they all just Megs (or perhaps different timelines' versions of him)? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 12:19, 2 March 2010 (EST)<br /> :Not that we know of, no. Megatron has over-written the Hytherion's mind with his own, so it doesn't seem to &quot;exist&quot; any more, so far as we can currently tell, Megatron's just using its &quot;body&quot; (if such a term even applies in this context!) and power. The blue Megatron is the Megatron from the Binaltech universe (that is to say, a divergent version of the cartoon Megatron), the black Megatron is the one from the &quot;Mystery of Convoy&quot; video game, but we don't know where the silver one's from yet. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:25, 2 March 2010 (EST)<br /> ::Thanks for the clarification. --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 12:42, 2 March 2010 (EST)</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Megatron_Origin_issue_2&diff=492511 2010-08-22T17:46:40Z

<p>Aureole: /* Should Cy-Kill get a page. */</p> <hr /> <div>== Should Cy-Kill get a page. ==<br /> <br /> <br /> I've always just linked the name just to [[Tonka GoBots]] before myself, but since whoever made this page created a direct link to a Cy-Kill article I figured I'd raise the question. No, he's never been named in universe(and may never be) but he HAS had a good number of cameos IIRC and this appearence is especially rather long, he gets some dialogue &quot;on-screen&quot; and a cover appearence. I'm fine with just linking to GoBots, but at the same time, once he starts talking and lasting more than a page I think it kinda goes beyond &quot;cameo&quot; and makes him a minor character. I mean if [[Big Red]] or some of the other folks who have pages get them Cy-Kill may deserve one too. Thoughts? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 12:34, 31 July 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Cy-Kill fought Megatron as a Gladiator in Dreamwave continuity too (DW G1 Ongoing #10.) I think... a page that defines him as a background ''Transformer'', not as a Go-bot. (Since they're both in-continuity.) The distinction has to be made that he's a Transformer here, and in, um... Armada? (Someplace else? Didn't Cy-Kill get smelted someplace?) -NotHere13:22, 31 July 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :linking to Cy-Kill instead of gobots was my way of endorsing [[Cy-Kill (G1)|Cy-Kill]] getting his own page. He's had more appearances in Transformer comics than a good number of Transformers, I imagine. (and I'm pretty sure he was in the smelting pits in [[War and Peace]] at some point). And there's huge opportunity for his page to be one of the wackier ones.--[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 14:32, 31 July 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :The biggest problem as I see it is, by the standards the TF universe has set for itself re: GoBots, most of these are probably not actually Cy-Kill. I don't like characters as subprofiles, generally, but maybe the best way to handle it is to have a specific part of the GoBots page dealing with Cy-Kill's repeated, uh...&quot;visual cameos&quot;, and link to that? -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:28, 31 July 2007 (UTC)<br /> ::I think that Cy-Kill now deserves his own page-- as a Transformer not as a Go-bot. He's the Decepticon who fought Megatron in his early gladiator days in 2 continuities, and got smelted in Dreamwave's G1v2#3. There should be a footnote that he's ''based on'' the Cy-Kill from the Go-Bots universe... but the TF in these appearances is not that Cyborg, who does exist in the TF multiverse but does not yet have any appearances. He's like Steelgrave in the recent club story. He is not the Starrior- but he is a Transformer based on/inspired by him. Deal with how to split them apart if/when the actual GoBot Cy-Kill makes an appearance.<br /> ::His decapitated corpse (head on the bench below) is in Armada #16. Despite being separate continuity families, this should be one article, like [[Big Red]]. That's all 4 appearances properly cited.- SoTotallynothereYet17:03, 31 July 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> == &quot;Elaborate decorative panels&quot; ==<br /> <br /> Those antennae on Megatron's head are /not/ decorative, they do serve a purpose, according to Alex Milne. He did not want to tell anybody yet what they are for, but he said he would like to go into detail in later comics, if he was to get the chance. So, Megatron revealing those appendages did serve a purpose although only Mr. Milne knows what it's all about. I just thought it should be noted.--[[User:Aureole|Aureole]] 13:46, 22 August 2010 (EDT)</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Religion&diff=481118 2010-07-20T19:32:48Z

<p>Aureole: /* Believers */</p> <hr /> <div>As in human cultures, in many continuities the Transformers have possessed religion to help them explain and cope with their place in the universe. There are various [[god |gods]] and religious figures the Transformers are known to believe in. In continuities where they exist, Transformer spiritual and religious beliefs are usually specifically illustrated to be truth rather than legend or superstition.<br /> <br /> The [[Covenant of Primus]] is a compilation of prophecies that can be regarded as the Transformers bible.<br /> <br /> == Generation 1 cartoon==<br /> In the original Generation 1 Cartoon, despite their witnessing supernatural occurrences such as [[magic]] and [[ghosts]] on a number of occasions without any apparent amazement or surprise there is little direct evidence for general Transformer spiritual or religious beliefs. [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] recommends praying before battle, but does not specify to whom. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness}}<br /> <br /> It is known that the spirits of [[Prime (rank)|Autobot leaders]] past dwell within the [[Matrix of Leadership]] even after their deaths, but the mechanism of this is unknown. A living Autobot leader can journey within the Matrix to commune with them and receive visions of the past. (Rodimus needed to be near death to achieve this, but Optimus could instigate it at will.) It is unknown how spiritual or how mechanical this whole process is.<br /> <br /> The best, if not only, other evidence we have comes from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' with the apparent prophecy that &quot;one day an Autobot shall rise from our ranks, and use the power of the Matrix to light our [[darkest hour]]&quot; and the repetition, prayer-like, of the phrase &quot;[['Til all are one]].&quot;<br /> <br /> <br /> == Marvel Comics continuity ==<br /> [[Image:Primus original.jpg|right|125px|thumb|No resemblance to Hot Rod whatsoever, no siree, no foreshadowing here!]]<br /> This is where the concept of Transformer religion and spiritual beliefs really took form and spread. Nearly all subsequent uses of Transformer religion derive from the foundation laid in these stories. <br /> <br /> === Primary beliefs ===<br /> The story of the gods [[Primus]] and [[Unicron]] went through several iterations as they were retold by different speakers over the course of the US and UK comic run. The most distinct difference across these revisions was the fading out of their respective pantheons. When first told, by Unicron, Primus and Unicron were each merely part of a whole pantheon of other light and dark gods respectively. In the next version, by the [[Keeper (Transformer)|Keeper]], they were the last of their pantheons, the others already having been destroyed or passed on to the [[Omniversal Matrix]]. Finally, in the version told by Primus, they were each unique beings with the existence of other gods ignored or refuted. This final version is the most frequently borrowed by later material. (The [[BotCon]] &quot;Reaching the Omega Point&quot; story being the notable exception, see below.)<br /> <br /> One legend surrounding Primus is that of the [[Last Autobot]], Primus' final guardian who would come after the god's passing and the defeat of Unicron.<br /> {{-}}<br /> === Sacred artifacts ===<br /> [[Image:Creation Matrix 65.jpg|left|150px|thumb|This is the strangest Pokeball I've ever seen.]]<br /> The [[Creation Matrix]] is the living essence of Primus' life force and considered a sacred artifact. The bearer of it is gifted with the power to create new Transformer life. Each Matrix bearer, known as a Prime, takes a derivation of the name Primus as part of his own. Five have existed: [[Prima]], [[Prime Nova]], [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]], Optimus Prime, and Rodimus Prime. Though its existence was well known, the manifest physical nature of the Matrix was not, thus it was ignored by Shockwave when he captured Optimus and, following his death, was launched into space with Optimus' body by his fellow Autobots.<br /> <br /> [[Image:Matrixflame.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Noooooo! Someone blew the candle out!]]<br /> The [[Matrix Flame]] on Cybertron is set in a golden brazier on a green altar, and tended by a red tabard clad acolyte. It is the living embodiment of the sacred Creation Matrix. Its status indicates that of the Matrix and its bearer.<br /> <br /> Several scriptural texts were recorded in the [[Covenant of Primus]], believed to be prophetic. Only two copies existed.<br /> <br /> {{-}}<br /> <br /> === Believers ===<br /> After millennia of war, many Transformers regarded Primus and Unicron as mere legends or disregarded them entirely. On hearing the name Primus spoken Bumblebee claims to have almost forgotten the Transformers ever had a God. Even when confronted with a giant head at the center of their planet Grimlock does not at first accept the myth of Primus and Unicron as true.<br /> <br /> On the other hand, Emirate Xaaron appears to have believed, and Optimus Prime, likely due to his being Prime, was quick to accept Primus and Unicron. Interestingly, though he is bearer of Primus's life force, Optimus was not one to unthinkingly and zealously follow his god, harboring, at times, serious misgivings and distrust about the use to which Primus was putting his children.<br /> <br /> One of Primus' most devoted warriors was without a doubt [[Sunstorm_(G1)| Sunstorm]]. Due to an accident in the lab where he was created, data from Cybertron's core itself got written into his software, bestowing him with vast knowledge about his race, their planet and maybe even Primus' future plans. Sunstorm himself believes to be a supernatural being and his god's holy prophet, whether this is closer to truth or misguidance stays unknown. [[Jetfire_(G1)| Jetfire]], though being an atheist, admitted that he would never be sure about him.<br /> <br /> There were likely still some number of true believers, even prior to Primus' reemergence, as the tender of the Matrix Flame and the purple cloaked monk-like elders who aid Prime in the Generation 2 comics attest.<br /> <br /> ==Reaching the Omega Point==<br /> The only other Transformer God, aside from Primus and Unicron, to appear in any story shows up here: The [[Chronarchitect]]. He is presumably of Primus' pantheon (see Marvel Comics above) given his alliance. He is the god of time.<br /> <br /> ==Beast Wars/Machines==<br /> <br /> The Transformers have a belief in &quot;the Matrix&quot;, where the sparks of the dead go and exist together. It would turn out this is an actual dimension, the [[Allspark]], where all sparks that exist, have existed, or ever will exist originate, existing as a collective whole.<br /> <br /> ==Unicron Trilogy==<br /> While exploring Cybertron's interior [[Brian Jones (Energon)|Dr. Brian Jones]] was transported to an long-abandoned temple where offerings of [[Energon (Energon)|energon]] had been left for the legendary &quot;[[Omega Supreme (Energon)|guardian of energon]]&quot; who had protected Cybertron long before the current generation of Transformers was created. Prior to witnessing [[Ancient Guardian]]'s reactivation, Jones believed these stories were just myths. {{storylink|Crash Course}} ''The Japanese version of this episode describes the Energon offerings as happening 'tens of thousands of years ago.'''<br /> <br /> == The multiversal mythos ==<br /> Beginning around the time of ''[[Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'', a new version of the Primus/Unicron story began to take shape. This new mythos was most notable for its multiversal nature: it applied not just to the new [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]] but also to the new iterations of Generation 1 being created by [[Dreamwave Productions]] and to the multiversal ''[[Beast Machines (franchise)|Beast Machines]]'' spin-off [[Universe (2003 franchise)|Transformers: Universe]]. In fact, by its very nature the new Multiversal Mythos attempted to apply itself to everything, even retroactively to past continuity where it was often a not-so-easy fit.<br /> <br /> The basics of this new version of the myth are that both Primus and Unicron were created by &quot;The One,&quot; an original God-being, and sent out into the universe as emissaries/explorers. Unicron goes bad and Primus must stop him. For some unexplained reason Primus exists in all possible continuities simultaneously (picture a single string stretching through many rooms) and his destruction in any one of them would destroy all creation, while Unicron, on the other hand, exists in only one Universe at a time ever. There are no &quot;alternate reality&quot; multiversal versions of Unicron, he's just one single God who leaps between universes (picture a ball of yarn thrown from room to room).<br /> <br /> Needless to say this is a tricky bit of [[Retcon|retconning]] that is hard to mesh with the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|original cartoon]] (where there was no Primus and Unicron was only a robot made by [[Primacron]]) or the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel Comics]] where Primus is stated to have died and the multiverse doesn't implode.<br /> <br /> == Alternate beliefs ==<br /> ===Cult of Unicron===<br /> [[Image:Acolyte of unicron.jpg|right|75px|thumb|Trick or Treat?]]<br /> Some Transformers have willingly (or unwillingly) come to serve the dark god Unicron. [[The Fallen]] was the first of these.<br /> <br /> In the Marvel comics, before their long sleep Unicron was able to bury a powerful compulsion in the minds of a number of Transformers causing them to form a secret cult of Unicron, which attempted to slay Optimus Prime upon his being named the leader of Primus' forces.<br /> <br /> ===Decepticon religion?===<br /> The Decepticon myth of the [[Ultimate Warrior]] appears to be a corruption of the [[Last Autobot]] story. In the Marvel Comic the mystically inclined Decepticon [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] dedicated his life to the &quot;teachings&quot; of the Ultimate Warrior, a path that may be taken as a possible alternate Cybertronian religion. <br /> <br /> In Dreamwave's second ''[[The War Within]]'' miniseries Bludgeon and other like-minded Decepticon mystics are shown to commune with and worship [[Dark science|&quot;dark&quot; mystical forces]] in attempt to gain power.<br /> <br /> The Japanese Generation 1 series present two characters that might also factor in to a Decepticon religion. [[Devil Z]] is described alternately as 'the god of the Destrons' and a guardian angel who's looked after/been worshiped by them. After Devil Z's destruction a new supernatural being arises to lead the Decepticons: [[Violen Jiger]]. A demon-like being said to be born from many angry Decepticon sparks, V.J. possessed the supernatural ability to raise the dead.<br /> <br /> ===The Covenant's Megatron===<br /> <br /> The name &quot;[[Megatron (myth)|Megatron]]&quot; appears in the Convenant of Primus, referring to a dread figure that brings great destruction and is spread throughout time: verses refer to Megatron as &quot;the beginning and the end&quot;, and the figure himself declare he's &quot;that which is, which was, and is yet to come&quot;. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 2}}<br /> <br /> We don't know what link this has to [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron the ''person'']], but the [[Megatron (BW)|the Predacon Megatron]] explicitly states that he took his name from the Covenant figure. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 1}}<br /> <br /> ===Xal===<br /> <br /> [[Cybertronian (faction)|The Cybertronian Imperial]] [[Mindset]], in a moment of great fear, screamed &quot;Great [[Xal]] protect me!&quot;. {{storylink|Swarm (issue)|Swarm}} The nature of Xal is unknown, though the Cybertronians appear familiar with the concept of Primus which indicates Xal is a separate entity. <br /> <br /> ===[[Atechnogenesis]]===<br /> [[Image:Wellofallsparks.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Em..., I think I need a stiff drink now.]]<br /> [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] is often portrayed as being a Transformer atheist due to his scientific worldview. In IDW's comic series he swears by [[Primacron]] rather than Primus. (Although what that implies about said continuity beyond being a cute in-joke is unknown. [[Scoop (G1)|Scoop]] swears by him later on in the same issue.)<br /> <br /> <br /> [[Category:Religion| ]]</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Religion&diff=481117 2010-07-20T19:32:28Z

<p>Aureole: /* Believers */</p> <hr /> <div>As in human cultures, in many continuities the Transformers have possessed religion to help them explain and cope with their place in the universe. There are various [[god |gods]] and religious figures the Transformers are known to believe in. In continuities where they exist, Transformer spiritual and religious beliefs are usually specifically illustrated to be truth rather than legend or superstition.<br /> <br /> The [[Covenant of Primus]] is a compilation of prophecies that can be regarded as the Transformers bible.<br /> <br /> == Generation 1 cartoon==<br /> In the original Generation 1 Cartoon, despite their witnessing supernatural occurrences such as [[magic]] and [[ghosts]] on a number of occasions without any apparent amazement or surprise there is little direct evidence for general Transformer spiritual or religious beliefs. [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] recommends praying before battle, but does not specify to whom. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness}}<br /> <br /> It is known that the spirits of [[Prime (rank)|Autobot leaders]] past dwell within the [[Matrix of Leadership]] even after their deaths, but the mechanism of this is unknown. A living Autobot leader can journey within the Matrix to commune with them and receive visions of the past. (Rodimus needed to be near death to achieve this, but Optimus could instigate it at will.) It is unknown how spiritual or how mechanical this whole process is.<br /> <br /> The best, if not only, other evidence we have comes from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' with the apparent prophecy that &quot;one day an Autobot shall rise from our ranks, and use the power of the Matrix to light our [[darkest hour]]&quot; and the repetition, prayer-like, of the phrase &quot;[['Til all are one]].&quot;<br /> <br /> <br /> == Marvel Comics continuity ==<br /> [[Image:Primus original.jpg|right|125px|thumb|No resemblance to Hot Rod whatsoever, no siree, no foreshadowing here!]]<br /> This is where the concept of Transformer religion and spiritual beliefs really took form and spread. Nearly all subsequent uses of Transformer religion derive from the foundation laid in these stories. <br /> <br /> === Primary beliefs ===<br /> The story of the gods [[Primus]] and [[Unicron]] went through several iterations as they were retold by different speakers over the course of the US and UK comic run. The most distinct difference across these revisions was the fading out of their respective pantheons. When first told, by Unicron, Primus and Unicron were each merely part of a whole pantheon of other light and dark gods respectively. In the next version, by the [[Keeper (Transformer)|Keeper]], they were the last of their pantheons, the others already having been destroyed or passed on to the [[Omniversal Matrix]]. Finally, in the version told by Primus, they were each unique beings with the existence of other gods ignored or refuted. This final version is the most frequently borrowed by later material. (The [[BotCon]] &quot;Reaching the Omega Point&quot; story being the notable exception, see below.)<br /> <br /> One legend surrounding Primus is that of the [[Last Autobot]], Primus' final guardian who would come after the god's passing and the defeat of Unicron.<br /> {{-}}<br /> === Sacred artifacts ===<br /> [[Image:Creation Matrix 65.jpg|left|150px|thumb|This is the strangest Pokeball I've ever seen.]]<br /> The [[Creation Matrix]] is the living essence of Primus' life force and considered a sacred artifact. The bearer of it is gifted with the power to create new Transformer life. Each Matrix bearer, known as a Prime, takes a derivation of the name Primus as part of his own. Five have existed: [[Prima]], [[Prime Nova]], [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]], Optimus Prime, and Rodimus Prime. Though its existence was well known, the manifest physical nature of the Matrix was not, thus it was ignored by Shockwave when he captured Optimus and, following his death, was launched into space with Optimus' body by his fellow Autobots.<br /> <br /> [[Image:Matrixflame.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Noooooo! Someone blew the candle out!]]<br /> The [[Matrix Flame]] on Cybertron is set in a golden brazier on a green altar, and tended by a red tabard clad acolyte. It is the living embodiment of the sacred Creation Matrix. Its status indicates that of the Matrix and its bearer.<br /> <br /> Several scriptural texts were recorded in the [[Covenant of Primus]], believed to be prophetic. Only two copies existed.<br /> <br /> {{-}}<br /> <br /> === Believers ===<br /> After millennia of war, many Transformers regarded Primus and Unicron as mere legends or disregarded them entirely. On hearing the name Primus spoken Bumblebee claims to have almost forgotten the Transformers ever had a God. Even when confronted with a giant head at the center of their planet Grimlock does not at first accept the myth of Primus and Unicron as true.<br /> <br /> On the other hand, Emirate Xaaron appears to have believed, and Optimus Prime, likely due to his being Prime, was quick to accept Primus and Unicron. Interestingly, though he is bearer of Primus's life force, Optimus was not one to unthinkingly and zealously follow his god, harboring, at times, serious misgivings and distrust about the use to which Primus was putting his children.<br /> <br /> One of Primus' most devoted warriors was without a doubt [[Sunstorm_(G1)| Sunstorm]]. Due to an accident in the lab where he was created, data from Cybertron's core itself got written into his software, bestowing him with vast knowledge about his race, their planet and maybe even Primus' future plans. Sunstorm himself believes to be a supernatural being and his god's holy prophet, whether this is closer to truth or misguidance stays unknown. [[Jetfire_(G1)| Jetfire], though being an atheist, admitted that he would never be sure about him.<br /> <br /> There were likely still some number of true believers, even prior to Primus' reemergence, as the tender of the Matrix Flame and the purple cloaked monk-like elders who aid Prime in the Generation 2 comics attest.<br /> <br /> ==Reaching the Omega Point==<br /> The only other Transformer God, aside from Primus and Unicron, to appear in any story shows up here: The [[Chronarchitect]]. He is presumably of Primus' pantheon (see Marvel Comics above) given his alliance. He is the god of time.<br /> <br /> ==Beast Wars/Machines==<br /> <br /> The Transformers have a belief in &quot;the Matrix&quot;, where the sparks of the dead go and exist together. It would turn out this is an actual dimension, the [[Allspark]], where all sparks that exist, have existed, or ever will exist originate, existing as a collective whole.<br /> <br /> ==Unicron Trilogy==<br /> While exploring Cybertron's interior [[Brian Jones (Energon)|Dr. Brian Jones]] was transported to an long-abandoned temple where offerings of [[Energon (Energon)|energon]] had been left for the legendary &quot;[[Omega Supreme (Energon)|guardian of energon]]&quot; who had protected Cybertron long before the current generation of Transformers was created. Prior to witnessing [[Ancient Guardian]]'s reactivation, Jones believed these stories were just myths. {{storylink|Crash Course}} ''The Japanese version of this episode describes the Energon offerings as happening 'tens of thousands of years ago.'''<br /> <br /> == The multiversal mythos ==<br /> Beginning around the time of ''[[Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'', a new version of the Primus/Unicron story began to take shape. This new mythos was most notable for its multiversal nature: it applied not just to the new [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]] but also to the new iterations of Generation 1 being created by [[Dreamwave Productions]] and to the multiversal ''[[Beast Machines (franchise)|Beast Machines]]'' spin-off [[Universe (2003 franchise)|Transformers: Universe]]. In fact, by its very nature the new Multiversal Mythos attempted to apply itself to everything, even retroactively to past continuity where it was often a not-so-easy fit.<br /> <br /> The basics of this new version of the myth are that both Primus and Unicron were created by &quot;The One,&quot; an original God-being, and sent out into the universe as emissaries/explorers. Unicron goes bad and Primus must stop him. For some unexplained reason Primus exists in all possible continuities simultaneously (picture a single string stretching through many rooms) and his destruction in any one of them would destroy all creation, while Unicron, on the other hand, exists in only one Universe at a time ever. There are no &quot;alternate reality&quot; multiversal versions of Unicron, he's just one single God who leaps between universes (picture a ball of yarn thrown from room to room).<br /> <br /> Needless to say this is a tricky bit of [[Retcon|retconning]] that is hard to mesh with the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|original cartoon]] (where there was no Primus and Unicron was only a robot made by [[Primacron]]) or the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel Comics]] where Primus is stated to have died and the multiverse doesn't implode.<br /> <br /> == Alternate beliefs ==<br /> ===Cult of Unicron===<br /> [[Image:Acolyte of unicron.jpg|right|75px|thumb|Trick or Treat?]]<br /> Some Transformers have willingly (or unwillingly) come to serve the dark god Unicron. [[The Fallen]] was the first of these.<br /> <br /> In the Marvel comics, before their long sleep Unicron was able to bury a powerful compulsion in the minds of a number of Transformers causing them to form a secret cult of Unicron, which attempted to slay Optimus Prime upon his being named the leader of Primus' forces.<br /> <br /> ===Decepticon religion?===<br /> The Decepticon myth of the [[Ultimate Warrior]] appears to be a corruption of the [[Last Autobot]] story. In the Marvel Comic the mystically inclined Decepticon [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] dedicated his life to the &quot;teachings&quot; of the Ultimate Warrior, a path that may be taken as a possible alternate Cybertronian religion. <br /> <br /> In Dreamwave's second ''[[The War Within]]'' miniseries Bludgeon and other like-minded Decepticon mystics are shown to commune with and worship [[Dark science|&quot;dark&quot; mystical forces]] in attempt to gain power.<br /> <br /> The Japanese Generation 1 series present two characters that might also factor in to a Decepticon religion. [[Devil Z]] is described alternately as 'the god of the Destrons' and a guardian angel who's looked after/been worshiped by them. After Devil Z's destruction a new supernatural being arises to lead the Decepticons: [[Violen Jiger]]. A demon-like being said to be born from many angry Decepticon sparks, V.J. possessed the supernatural ability to raise the dead.<br /> <br /> ===The Covenant's Megatron===<br /> <br /> The name &quot;[[Megatron (myth)|Megatron]]&quot; appears in the Convenant of Primus, referring to a dread figure that brings great destruction and is spread throughout time: verses refer to Megatron as &quot;the beginning and the end&quot;, and the figure himself declare he's &quot;that which is, which was, and is yet to come&quot;. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 2}}<br /> <br /> We don't know what link this has to [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron the ''person'']], but the [[Megatron (BW)|the Predacon Megatron]] explicitly states that he took his name from the Covenant figure. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 1}}<br /> <br /> ===Xal===<br /> <br /> [[Cybertronian (faction)|The Cybertronian Imperial]] [[Mindset]], in a moment of great fear, screamed &quot;Great [[Xal]] protect me!&quot;. {{storylink|Swarm (issue)|Swarm}} The nature of Xal is unknown, though the Cybertronians appear familiar with the concept of Primus which indicates Xal is a separate entity. <br /> <br /> ===[[Atechnogenesis]]===<br /> [[Image:Wellofallsparks.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Em..., I think I need a stiff drink now.]]<br /> [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] is often portrayed as being a Transformer atheist due to his scientific worldview. In IDW's comic series he swears by [[Primacron]] rather than Primus. (Although what that implies about said continuity beyond being a cute in-joke is unknown. [[Scoop (G1)|Scoop]] swears by him later on in the same issue.)<br /> <br /> <br /> [[Category:Religion| ]]</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Religion&diff=481116 2010-07-20T19:28:32Z

<p>Aureole: /* Believers */</p> <hr /> <div>As in human cultures, in many continuities the Transformers have possessed religion to help them explain and cope with their place in the universe. There are various [[god |gods]] and religious figures the Transformers are known to believe in. In continuities where they exist, Transformer spiritual and religious beliefs are usually specifically illustrated to be truth rather than legend or superstition.<br /> <br /> The [[Covenant of Primus]] is a compilation of prophecies that can be regarded as the Transformers bible.<br /> <br /> == Generation 1 cartoon==<br /> In the original Generation 1 Cartoon, despite their witnessing supernatural occurrences such as [[magic]] and [[ghosts]] on a number of occasions without any apparent amazement or surprise there is little direct evidence for general Transformer spiritual or religious beliefs. [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] recommends praying before battle, but does not specify to whom. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness}}<br /> <br /> It is known that the spirits of [[Prime (rank)|Autobot leaders]] past dwell within the [[Matrix of Leadership]] even after their deaths, but the mechanism of this is unknown. A living Autobot leader can journey within the Matrix to commune with them and receive visions of the past. (Rodimus needed to be near death to achieve this, but Optimus could instigate it at will.) It is unknown how spiritual or how mechanical this whole process is.<br /> <br /> The best, if not only, other evidence we have comes from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' with the apparent prophecy that &quot;one day an Autobot shall rise from our ranks, and use the power of the Matrix to light our [[darkest hour]]&quot; and the repetition, prayer-like, of the phrase &quot;[['Til all are one]].&quot;<br /> <br /> <br /> == Marvel Comics continuity ==<br /> [[Image:Primus original.jpg|right|125px|thumb|No resemblance to Hot Rod whatsoever, no siree, no foreshadowing here!]]<br /> This is where the concept of Transformer religion and spiritual beliefs really took form and spread. Nearly all subsequent uses of Transformer religion derive from the foundation laid in these stories. <br /> <br /> === Primary beliefs ===<br /> The story of the gods [[Primus]] and [[Unicron]] went through several iterations as they were retold by different speakers over the course of the US and UK comic run. The most distinct difference across these revisions was the fading out of their respective pantheons. When first told, by Unicron, Primus and Unicron were each merely part of a whole pantheon of other light and dark gods respectively. In the next version, by the [[Keeper (Transformer)|Keeper]], they were the last of their pantheons, the others already having been destroyed or passed on to the [[Omniversal Matrix]]. Finally, in the version told by Primus, they were each unique beings with the existence of other gods ignored or refuted. This final version is the most frequently borrowed by later material. (The [[BotCon]] &quot;Reaching the Omega Point&quot; story being the notable exception, see below.)<br /> <br /> One legend surrounding Primus is that of the [[Last Autobot]], Primus' final guardian who would come after the god's passing and the defeat of Unicron.<br /> {{-}}<br /> === Sacred artifacts ===<br /> [[Image:Creation Matrix 65.jpg|left|150px|thumb|This is the strangest Pokeball I've ever seen.]]<br /> The [[Creation Matrix]] is the living essence of Primus' life force and considered a sacred artifact. The bearer of it is gifted with the power to create new Transformer life. Each Matrix bearer, known as a Prime, takes a derivation of the name Primus as part of his own. Five have existed: [[Prima]], [[Prime Nova]], [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]], Optimus Prime, and Rodimus Prime. Though its existence was well known, the manifest physical nature of the Matrix was not, thus it was ignored by Shockwave when he captured Optimus and, following his death, was launched into space with Optimus' body by his fellow Autobots.<br /> <br /> [[Image:Matrixflame.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Noooooo! Someone blew the candle out!]]<br /> The [[Matrix Flame]] on Cybertron is set in a golden brazier on a green altar, and tended by a red tabard clad acolyte. It is the living embodiment of the sacred Creation Matrix. Its status indicates that of the Matrix and its bearer.<br /> <br /> Several scriptural texts were recorded in the [[Covenant of Primus]], believed to be prophetic. Only two copies existed.<br /> <br /> {{-}}<br /> <br /> === Believers ===<br /> After millennia of war, many Transformers regarded Primus and Unicron as mere legends or disregarded them entirely. On hearing the name Primus spoken Bumblebee claims to have almost forgotten the Transformers ever had a God. Even when confronted with a giant head at the center of their planet Grimlock does not at first accept the myth of Primus and Unicron as true.<br /> <br /> On the other hand, Emirate Xaaron appears to have believed, and Optimus Prime, likely due to his being Prime, was quick to accept Primus and Unicron. Interestingly, though he is bearer of Primus's life force, Optimus was not one to unthinkingly and zealously follow his god, harboring, at times, serious misgivings and distrust about the use to which Primus was putting his children.<br /> <br /> One of Primus' most devoted warriors was without a doubt Sunstorm. Due to an accident in the lab where he was created, data from Cybertron's core itself got written into his software, bestowing him with vast knowledge about his race, their planet and maybe even Primus' future plans. Sunstorm himself believes to be a supernatural being and his god's holy prophet, whether this is closer to truth or misguidance stays unknown. Jetfire, though being an atheist, admitted that he would never be sure about him.<br /> <br /> There were likely still some number of true believers, even prior to Primus' reemergence, as the tender of the Matrix Flame and the purple cloaked monk-like elders who aid Prime in the Generation 2 comics attest.<br /> <br /> ==Reaching the Omega Point==<br /> The only other Transformer God, aside from Primus and Unicron, to appear in any story shows up here: The [[Chronarchitect]]. He is presumably of Primus' pantheon (see Marvel Comics above) given his alliance. He is the god of time.<br /> <br /> ==Beast Wars/Machines==<br /> <br /> The Transformers have a belief in &quot;the Matrix&quot;, where the sparks of the dead go and exist together. It would turn out this is an actual dimension, the [[Allspark]], where all sparks that exist, have existed, or ever will exist originate, existing as a collective whole.<br /> <br /> ==Unicron Trilogy==<br /> While exploring Cybertron's interior [[Brian Jones (Energon)|Dr. Brian Jones]] was transported to an long-abandoned temple where offerings of [[Energon (Energon)|energon]] had been left for the legendary &quot;[[Omega Supreme (Energon)|guardian of energon]]&quot; who had protected Cybertron long before the current generation of Transformers was created. Prior to witnessing [[Ancient Guardian]]'s reactivation, Jones believed these stories were just myths. {{storylink|Crash Course}} ''The Japanese version of this episode describes the Energon offerings as happening 'tens of thousands of years ago.'''<br /> <br /> == The multiversal mythos ==<br /> Beginning around the time of ''[[Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'', a new version of the Primus/Unicron story began to take shape. This new mythos was most notable for its multiversal nature: it applied not just to the new [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]] but also to the new iterations of Generation 1 being created by [[Dreamwave Productions]] and to the multiversal ''[[Beast Machines (franchise)|Beast Machines]]'' spin-off [[Universe (2003 franchise)|Transformers: Universe]]. In fact, by its very nature the new Multiversal Mythos attempted to apply itself to everything, even retroactively to past continuity where it was often a not-so-easy fit.<br /> <br /> The basics of this new version of the myth are that both Primus and Unicron were created by &quot;The One,&quot; an original God-being, and sent out into the universe as emissaries/explorers. Unicron goes bad and Primus must stop him. For some unexplained reason Primus exists in all possible continuities simultaneously (picture a single string stretching through many rooms) and his destruction in any one of them would destroy all creation, while Unicron, on the other hand, exists in only one Universe at a time ever. There are no &quot;alternate reality&quot; multiversal versions of Unicron, he's just one single God who leaps between universes (picture a ball of yarn thrown from room to room).<br /> <br /> Needless to say this is a tricky bit of [[Retcon|retconning]] that is hard to mesh with the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|original cartoon]] (where there was no Primus and Unicron was only a robot made by [[Primacron]]) or the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel Comics]] where Primus is stated to have died and the multiverse doesn't implode.<br /> <br /> == Alternate beliefs ==<br /> ===Cult of Unicron===<br /> [[Image:Acolyte of unicron.jpg|right|75px|thumb|Trick or Treat?]]<br /> Some Transformers have willingly (or unwillingly) come to serve the dark god Unicron. [[The Fallen]] was the first of these.<br /> <br /> In the Marvel comics, before their long sleep Unicron was able to bury a powerful compulsion in the minds of a number of Transformers causing them to form a secret cult of Unicron, which attempted to slay Optimus Prime upon his being named the leader of Primus' forces.<br /> <br /> ===Decepticon religion?===<br /> The Decepticon myth of the [[Ultimate Warrior]] appears to be a corruption of the [[Last Autobot]] story. In the Marvel Comic the mystically inclined Decepticon [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] dedicated his life to the &quot;teachings&quot; of the Ultimate Warrior, a path that may be taken as a possible alternate Cybertronian religion. <br /> <br /> In Dreamwave's second ''[[The War Within]]'' miniseries Bludgeon and other like-minded Decepticon mystics are shown to commune with and worship [[Dark science|&quot;dark&quot; mystical forces]] in attempt to gain power.<br /> <br /> The Japanese Generation 1 series present two characters that might also factor in to a Decepticon religion. [[Devil Z]] is described alternately as 'the god of the Destrons' and a guardian angel who's looked after/been worshiped by them. After Devil Z's destruction a new supernatural being arises to lead the Decepticons: [[Violen Jiger]]. A demon-like being said to be born from many angry Decepticon sparks, V.J. possessed the supernatural ability to raise the dead.<br /> <br /> ===The Covenant's Megatron===<br /> <br /> The name &quot;[[Megatron (myth)|Megatron]]&quot; appears in the Convenant of Primus, referring to a dread figure that brings great destruction and is spread throughout time: verses refer to Megatron as &quot;the beginning and the end&quot;, and the figure himself declare he's &quot;that which is, which was, and is yet to come&quot;. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 2}}<br /> <br /> We don't know what link this has to [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron the ''person'']], but the [[Megatron (BW)|the Predacon Megatron]] explicitly states that he took his name from the Covenant figure. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 1}}<br /> <br /> ===Xal===<br /> <br /> [[Cybertronian (faction)|The Cybertronian Imperial]] [[Mindset]], in a moment of great fear, screamed &quot;Great [[Xal]] protect me!&quot;. {{storylink|Swarm (issue)|Swarm}} The nature of Xal is unknown, though the Cybertronians appear familiar with the concept of Primus which indicates Xal is a separate entity. <br /> <br /> ===[[Atechnogenesis]]===<br /> [[Image:Wellofallsparks.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Em..., I think I need a stiff drink now.]]<br /> [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] is often portrayed as being a Transformer atheist due to his scientific worldview. In IDW's comic series he swears by [[Primacron]] rather than Primus. (Although what that implies about said continuity beyond being a cute in-joke is unknown. [[Scoop (G1)|Scoop]] swears by him later on in the same issue.)<br /> <br /> <br /> [[Category:Religion| ]]</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Religion&diff=481111 2010-07-20T19:14:17Z

<p>Aureole: </p> <hr /> <div>Derik-Z is described alternately as 'the god of the Destrons' and a guardian angel who's looked after/been worshiped by them. I peg Devil-Z as a minor mythological figure, a sorta patron-deity of the Decepticon cause, but not a primary worship-figure like Primus is. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:28, 11 November 2006 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> :&quot;'''Derik-Z'''&quot;? Delusions of godhood, have we? :) -Autobus Prime<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Do Transformers have something like churches? There are a few holy places around, for instance the planet's core in War For Cybertron, but do you think they actually have buildings to worship Primus (or other gods)?--[[User:Aureole|Aureole]] 15:14, 20 July 2010 (EDT)</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Slipstream_(Animated)&diff=475261 2010-07-07T19:59:47Z

<p>Aureole: /* Derrick&#039;s Formspring */</p> <hr /> <div>Y'know it just occured to me that the bright blue on her legs and wings is pretty much exactly the blue of G1 Starscream's Pretender shell. Could be a chance thing but especially on the legs it really recalls that toy to me. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 17:14, 29 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::I have gone over the Screamer clones so many times it is giving me a headache, but I finaly thought that there is not a clone that is the tracherous(spelling) side of him other than the female. She seems to be the closest one, from my point of view anyway. Does anyone else have an idea?[[User:HotRodimus|HotRodimus]] 02:44, 13 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Yes I have! I think she's supposed to represent sadism in a non-sexual way. It's pretty much known that sadism is not a trait defined by 'explicit actions' to call it that way - it's an overall joy in hurting others and causing physical or mental harm to living beings and Slipstream does seem to feel very comfortable with cursing, verbally attacking and hurting others for no particular reason (she intended to shoot Starscream out of the air by mere noticing him [which turned out a mistake anyway]). Sadism is also something one would most likely not want to think about in regard to Starscream and it's maybe not too appropriate for a childrens show, so they just didn't mention it with words. Who knows, maybe there even IS a sexual note to it. would be one more reason to just call her the girl you 'better not ask' about. --[[User:Aureole|Aureole]] 12:14, 15 May 2010 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Rimmer theme captions ==<br /> <br /> I think a good option to continue the theme would be something like the &quot;What the hell, I just won't tell her&quot; from Rimmerworld, or one of the ones from Terrorform. If anyone agrees, can I upload an image with such a caption?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 09:53, 30 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :There's also She-Rimmer from ''Parallel Universe''... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:12, 30 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> ==Pretender Starscream==<br /> <br /> At one point I'd added in that her teal lower and grey upper legs, and really the placement of all the grey above, very much echo Starscream's Pretender shell. Someone deleted that with out giving a reason, but it's true, it's relevant, and it's a close as G2 Ramjet is really. I feel like it should be there as an observation at least. (Pretender Screamer is really all I can think of when I look at her pic in that section.) Objections? --[[Special:Contributions/71.235.142.128|71.235.142.128]] 02:09, 6 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> :If she was meant to be the shell, she'd have the shell's layout. But she doesn't. She wouldn't have a mainly purple torso, and she'd have brown gauntlets and a brown helmet. The note does not say &quot;based on G2 Ramjet&quot;, its says &quot;shares predominant colors with but everything's laid out completely differently&quot;, and explained in-depth to note that it is likely NOT supposed to be G2 Ramjet. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:33, 6 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::I guess I just don't see the difference between saying &quot;She's got colors like G1 Ramjet but not the layout, it's probably a coincidence.&quot; and saying &quot;She's got several of the colors AND some of the layout of Starscream's Shell but it'a probably a coincidence&quot;. I just think that if the likeness to one is close enough to rate a mention so is the other. --[[Special:Contributions/71.235.142.128|71.235.142.128]] 02:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Part of the difference is that you're the first person to say &quot;Pretender shell&quot;, where almost five seconds after she appeared, the intarwebs-at-large declared her (erroneously) to be G2 Ramjet. Listing EVERY theory anyone ever had would quickly fill up space for not good reason (like the theory that Dion got turned into Huffer). --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:42, 6 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::&quot;The intarwebs-at-large said she was G2 Ramjet&quot;? I saw more &quot;Dirge&quot; speculation (stirred up by the Dubai spoilers) than G2 Ramjet speculation. [[User:Galvanisation|Galvanisation]] 02:45, 7 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == tragic past ==<br /> <br /> i think she'd consider her past tragic, coming from Starscream and all. Maybe a little comment on that? [[User:Mr. Magorium|Not Steve]][[User Talk:Mr. Magorium|&lt;sup&gt;complain here&lt;/sup&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Mr. Magorium|&lt;sub&gt;The Big Book&lt;/sub&gt;]] 19:25, 31 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Maybe? She hates him, but she hates pretty much anybody I guess --[[User:Aureole|Aureole]] 19:13, 28 May 2010 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Spoiler in the Edit History D:==<br /> <br /> Is there any way to get rid of that spoiler I stupidly stuck into my edit comment? I can't believe I suffered such a brain-fart D: [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] 11:13, 5 April 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Can we just call her Mega?==<br /> She hasn't technically been named anywhere, but since that's who her colours are based on... {{unsigned|76.71.8.91|22:49, 17 May 2009}}<br /> :No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:03, 17 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :: I think there is a reason to not naming her mega nor naming the [[Ramjet (Animated)|Liar Starscream]] Ramjet. It's the trademark; if Hasbro makes the toy, but they don't get the rights to the name &quot;Mega&quot;, they will have to give her other name. Then, we have to wait and see. {{unsigned|186.9.15.58|00:01, 18 May 2009}}<br /> :::Apparently, she's going to be named in a reference book (the &quot;AllSpark Almanac&quot;, was it?) - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 09:34, 18 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Derik? ==<br /> <br /> Source for &quot;Slipstream&quot;? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:54, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I dunbno. Some guy, I think he said his name was &quot;Anonymous.&quot;<br /> :(Via the toyline pannel, a redirect instead of a move would be me expressing due caution with an unvetted source.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:59, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::Yeah, live feed of the BotCon Hasbro panel coming in over at TFW2005 confirms Slipstream. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:08, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::Ja, I got it via 4Chan, but there were enough other people postign there that I figured it'd have been nix'd if the report was a prank. Nice of McFeely to confirm, it means we can move it now. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:10, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Sexism?==<br /> &quot;nagging harpy&quot; &quot;bitch&quot; &quot;tart&quot; Does this wiki really want to endorse these slurs? The articles on Jazz and Blaster don't use racial slurs.<br /> :...She ''is'' a bitch. That's her entire character. Unless you wish us to use the gender-neutral term of &quot;unpleasant individual&quot;. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:10, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::I think it's a valid complaint. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 23:18, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::Yeah it's a valid complaint, but I agree with Interrobang on this one. Oh, we could get rid of every use of the word slag as an insult because it means whore in slang for the UK. We could use much worse language as well to describe her too. If you want opinions from the people who might see it as sexist, we should get the female users to give their voice.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 23:26, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::::We're not using &quot;slag&quot; to refer to female characters as &quot;whores,&quot; so your comparison is not apt. Also, one doesn't have to be a woman to dislike seeing the use of sexist slurs. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 23:34, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::::Please define &quot;sexist slur&quot;. We are not using &quot;bitch&quot; as a substitute of &quot;female&quot;. We are using it by the definition of &quot;unpleasant female&quot;, ''which is what this character is''. Unless you want us to remove all and any indications of gender and sex in Transformers characters. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:05, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::::::Whilst slightly incredulous that I would need to actually ''explain'' this, okay: Calling a woman a bitch is using a sexist slur, whether she's unpleasant or not. The word means female ''dog'' and thus applying it to female ''person'' is dehumanizing. When it comes to an &quot;unpleasant woman,&quot; it is the ''unpleasantness'' that is the thing she is to be criticized for, ''not'' her gender. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:23, 31 May 2009 (EDT) <br /> :::::::Dehumanizing? Oh no, you wouldn't want the person you're INSULTING to feel bad! But that can't be the problem, as then you turn around and complain that it isn't gender neutral. Exactly what insults are acceptable? I should point out that I'm a jerk, and I therefore find the Sentinel Prime page highly offensive, can you get to work on sanitizing that while you're at it? - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 00:31, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::::::::You'll note that I didn't propose &quot;sanitizing&quot; anything. In fact, I didn't even address the specific use of &quot;bitch&quot; in the caption on this page. I was just responding, in a general sense, to the apparent question as to why bitch would be considered a sexist slur. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:38, 31 May 2009 (EDT) <br /> :::::::You are conflating etymology with definition. It is true that people used the word because it meant &quot;female dog&quot;. That is no longer the case and the word's primary meaning is now &quot;unpleasant woman&quot;. Nobody is criticizing the fictional character's gender. That is silly and I think most realize this without needing this explained to them. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:45, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::::::::Yes, the word's primary meaning is now a gendered insult, which is why it is often considered to be a sexist slur. At any rate, turning away from generalities and back to this specific article: The use of &quot;bitch&quot; in the main imagine caption could arguably be considered acceptable, in that given the context it can be read as the character herself embracing the term, rather than being insulted with it. However, as the original commenter noted, &quot;bitch&quot; appearing on the same page with &quot;nagging harpy&quot; and &quot;tart&quot; ''does'' lend an aura of sexism to the article. The &quot;nagging hapry&quot; bit, at least, should be removed. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:02, 31 May 2009 (EDT) <br /> ::::::::::We should totally change [[Skywarp (Animated)|Skywarp's]] page so that it has lots of jokes about him being a negro. Negro totally just means black, right? It's spanish! It's hilarious, because being Black Starscream is his primary character trait. That wacky Skywarp, what a hilarious negro. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 01:25, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :Am I the only one that doesn't get the &quot;tarts&quot; caption? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:49, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::I think it may be a Red Dwarf quote. There was an idea of having that as a theme running through the clones' pages for some reason. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 23:51, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::Right, that's from the Red Dwarf episode &quot;Parallel Universe&quot;, where Lister and Rimmer met their female alternates from another universe. The caption was one of the female Rimmer's lines. --[[User:Professor Icepick|Professor Icepick]] 23:55, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::If it's on a clone page and it's not funny, it's probably from Red Dwarf. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:56, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Ironically here, the original question totally misses the context of the word &quot;bitch&quot; as it appears in the caption -- it's being claimed as an affirmative, in the way that insults are often commandeered by the recipients and repurposed as expressions of solidarity. See also: &quot;nigger&quot;, &quot;dyke&quot;, the list goes on and on. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:52, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The problem with all of these terms is that the deduce the recipient's eentire identity to a single element-- their gender. &quot;You are a cunt, you are a tart, you are a twat, you are a bitch...&quot; they all translate to- &quot;you are a female, and not in your place.&quot;<br /> :Reducing ANY character to their gender is cemeaning, it means they have no value beyond their gender, and it's their 100% most importand definign facet, dwarfing any other accomplishments, goals, dreams etc etc etc. Sexism is BAD because it reduces people to simply male or female.<br /> :If this was Arcee's article I would not approove of this. Hell, if it was Blackarachnia's article I wouldn't approve of this-- and she's a classic &quot;vamp&quot; negative female stereotype. But this is a character who for months and multiple fiction appearances was known as &quot;Female Starscream.&quot; And she is, in-canon, &quot;Starscream's feminine side.&quot; She is Starscream + Female. her femaleness is all that distinguishes her from him, like like Liar Starscream's pathological prevarication is all that distinguishes him from Statrscream.<br /> :I'm still not a FAN of this... but Slipstream is one of the few characters where you might actually have grounds to ''justify'' it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:34, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Anybody who sees Slipstream as nothing more than &quot;female Starscream&quot; wasn't paying attention. She's smart, competent, witty, sarcastic, intelligent, quick witted... -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 01:49, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::And so is Starscream, some times. Arguably, she's just Starscream MINUS his male ego.<br /> :::But the original question was-- &quot;is this sexist?&quot; My answer is &quot;normally yes, but female Starscream is a character who IS mantextually defined by her gender.&quot;<br /> :::Mind you, i still think it's icky... Any of the 3 image captions is fine on it's own... but lumped all together they form an unfortuanate pattern--<br /> :::#Empowered woman identified a threatening and negative figure<br /> :::#Joke about reducing empowered woman to animal level so that she can no longer dominate men<br /> :::#Joke that reduces her to a barbie doll.<br /> :::The last one, especially, is innocent-- the 'X is the new Y' is so common that it's been shorn from its original fashion roots, but when grouped with the other two it becomes part of an unfortunate pattern that locks it back into that context-- in a lot of ways the fashoin-obsessed female 'accusation' places an empowered female into a dis-empowering context-box. She becomes silly, and easily disregarded, and has no authority because hwo can you take someone with 35 pairs of shoes seriously?<br /> :::It's a totally '''unintentional''' pattern, but it's there. And it's icky. And it sends messages we don't want to send.<br /> :::Ditch the Red Dwarf quote. It's what really sets a negative tone. (I also feel like there's dissonance, where it's difficult to fit to the character somehow, so it sits awkwardly... but that might just be because I haven't seen the Red Dwarf episode in question.)<br /> :::(Ditch the trivia quote too, we can come up with ''something'' better, this is almost random.)<br /> :::keep the first quote. Bitch or no, it's her claiming power for herself, and it's the only one that really feels like her personality. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:28, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::::The Red Dwarf quote we have now doesn't really work anyway, so go ahead and remove it, but I personally really liked the Red Dwarf theme across the clone articles. Could we maybe use another quote from Rimmerworld or the parallel dimension episode?? On the other hand, I can't actually see how the Red Dwarf quote is making fun of women at all. To be honest, the quote isn't even ''directed'' at her - it's the female Rimmer making fun of the two Listers for being irresponsible. Calling it a &quot;disempowering&quot; quote is actually kind of nonsensical, as the whole point of that episode is that it's a universe where ''males'' were disenfranchised. For the last joke; I honestly didn't get any implication about shoes from that. Honestly, I didn't see an implication of ''anything'' from it - it seemed like it was commenting on her being a redeco, or something? I don't know. But I wouldn't argue against it being removed. The first caption, while the most fitting, is pretty much the only one that seems to imply anything negative. I would like to say, though, that at least as far as I've recognized in my life, &quot;bitch&quot; is relatively gender neutral, and basically just means someone who is constantly complaining or criticizing (i.e., bitching). I know my friends and me call each other it all the time, and they're very definitely not women.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 05:38, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::::Bitch as a verb may be gender-neutral, but I'd argue that bitch as an insult isn't. When the word bitch is used to describe males, it has a feminizing or emasculating effect, disturbingly close to some gay slurs I'd rather not go into. {{unsigned|24.192.196.242}}<br /> <br /> :::::Oh, one of the Starscreams is in a parallel dimension. Where male Starscreams can get pregnant apparently. This causes a misunderstanding. Hilarity ensues! If you want advice from someone who hasn't seen the show, unless you are a Red Dwarf fanboy, ripping those quotes completely out of context makes no sense and is unfunny. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 07:44, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::Maybe:<br /> <br /> Arlene:: In my bunk? On my sheets, using my springs. What could possibly have made you contemplate making love to yourself?<br /> Rimmer: Well, why break a habit of a lifetime?<br /> <br /> :Does this all mean we have to change the second and fourth captions on [[Laserbeak (G1)]]? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:15, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::I'm entirely comfortable killing the Red Dwarf running gag - it never really felt right across the Starscream clones. I got it, but it just didn't really jive. (Also, not to Chat Room this bitch up (oho) but I always figured Slipstream was the embodiment of either Starscream's competency or his opportunism. Guess I should ask Derrick.) [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 07:22, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> '''FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!''' When the hell did this place become a haven for the overly sensitive take offence at anything whiny pc oxegen thieves? It's not sexist, it's a joke, grow the '''HELL''' up. It's not a valid concern that this article is promoting sexism, it's you being ridiculous.[[User:Eire]] 13.28 May 31 09 (UTC)<br /> : '''Hooper's Law:''' The only people who piss and moan about &quot;political correctness&quot; are the ones who are mad that it's no longer okay to tell Dumb Polack jokes. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 08:43, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Sense it was a wiki dedicated to a franchise meant for '''KIDS.''' {{unsigned|24.192.196.242}}<br /> <br /> :It became one back when everyone started whining over the [[accents]] article, sadly.<br /> :And nah, I just piss and moan about PCness because most of the time people are whining when there wasn't any maliciousness actually intended. I mean, I ''am'' female, and I wasn't offended by the jokes being complained about on this page (especially since she ''is'' a bitch and seems to revel in that fact).<br /> :Now, when we start seeing people being actually hateful about something, ''then'' it's worth getting one's knickers in a knot. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 09:01, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::Not all members of the offended group have to take offense for something to be offensive. {{unsigned|24.192.196.242}}<br /> :::No, but getting offended over something being sexist when it's not does get rather silly. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:31, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::::Bitch, nagging harpy, and tart are sexist words. [[Special:Contributions/24.192.196.242|24.192.196.242]] 14:26, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::::Which accurately describe how the character acts. I mean, if it was Arcee being called any of those things, you'd have a case for sexism, because that character doesn't act that way.<br /> :::::But if you can suggest gender-neutral words that convey the same sets of personality traits, I'd be behind you in using those instead. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:41, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::It was hardly &quot;whining&quot; to point out the past-borderline racism and/or intellectual emptiness in the assertion that Blu Mankuma speaks with an &quot;African accent.&quot; --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 09:56, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::Yeah, because that's so much more racist and intellectually empty than pointing out that Perceptor has a British accent, Ironhide has a Southern accent, etc. Heck, we say in the Jet Twins' article that they speak with a Russian accent; doesn't that thus imply all Russians speak with broken English or something by your logic? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 10:42, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::::To be precise: it was racist to say &quot;Tigatron has an African accent&quot; because Tigatron's voice is just Blu Mankuma's normal speaking voice, and Blu Mankuma ''is an American who speaks perfect American English while happening to be black.'' He sure as hell doesn't sound like Kofi Annan. &lt;--Thy <br /> ::::It's &quot;racist and intellectually empty&quot; because Africa is a damn HUGE place that doesn't even have anything resembling a single accent. It's like talking about a &quot;European accent&quot; to talk about everywhere from Scotland to Turkey, or an &quot;American [continent] accent&quot; to talk about everywhere from Canada to Argentina.<br /> ::::And, yeah, I have a problem with not specifying in the other cases you use as well. There's certainly no such thing as a generic &quot;British accent&quot;, since (even without hearing the G1 cartoon) I'm damn sure that there's no conceivable way that Perceptor's voice could sound like it could come from any one of London, Birmingham, Leeds, Glasgow, Aberdeen, Cardiff or Belfast (to pick but a few cities) without being able to distinguish a general area. As a result, it's not just lazy, but actually ''inaccurate''. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 12:17, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::::Actually, there ''is'' a &quot;generic British accent&quot;, so to speak, in the form of Received Pronunciation, just like the &quot;generic American accent&quot; is close to Midwestern American.<br /> ::::::RP is, if anything, the most specific accent of all - being as it is limited to a few thousand actors and other speakers who took extended elocution lessons, since there is no geographic accent that sounds like it. As a result, you very rarely hear an RP accent on the telly any more (whereas at one point it was so essential to get on the Beeb that it was referred to as the &quot;BBC accent&quot;, it's now an active detriment as the BBC tries to use people with accents from around the country so as to be not to be seen as London-specific. The accent most associated with London these days is [[Wikipedia:Estuary English|&quot;Estuary English&quot;]], for the record), and when you do it tends to be someone with an otherwise-distinctive voice like Tom Baker. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 13:12, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::::::'K, next time one of my friends talks about a &quot;Northeastern&quot; or &quot;Southern&quot; accent or somesuch, I'll be sure to get annoyed and call them racist because they couldn't idenfify precisely what state and/or region it was from. *shrug* --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:31, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::But in any case, I actually will agree with &quot;inaccurate&quot;. But it's not racist to be inaccurate, it's just... inaccurate to be inaccurate. And saying someone has a certain type of accent isn't racist. Just like saying someone's a bitch/harpy/tart/whatever isn't sexist if they actually act like that, rather than being called that solely because they're female. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:44, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::I still stand by the fact that, despite being a member the supposedly maligned party here, I find getting uptight about this whole matter to be silly. When someone makes a comment implying that Slipstream acts like a bitch ''because'' that's expected of a female counterpart, or something similar, ''then'' it's worth getting upset about. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 10:42, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::How 'bout &quot;You say &quot;evil&quot; like it's a ''bad'' thing!&quot; ?<br /> :I would say 1) No, because it's not at all funny; 2) No, because evil=bad by definition, so it's nonsensical as well.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 01:52, 1 June 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::While real criminals often have some kind of justification, its common for cartoon characters to revel in their villainy. This sounds like something Slipstream would say.<br /> :...what the hell are you babbling about? &quot;Reveling in their villainy&quot; would still have &quot;evil != bad&quot; be a contradiction, and Slipstream has never, ever said anything even approaching that, or anything with that kind of attitude.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 02:27, 1 June 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Edit War: its on. Political Correctness or death! {{unsigned|24.192.196.242|02:44, 1 June 2009}}<br /> :I don't like edit wars very much. I like people who announce their intent to continue an edit war even less. Be better behaved in a week.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&lt;sup&gt;Talk&lt;/sup&gt;]] 03:08, 1 June 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::Would this be an acceptable Red Dwarf quote? It's about all I can find that would fit at all.<br /> <br /> :Arlene:: In my bunk? On my sheets, using my springs. What could possibly have made you contemplate making love to yourself?<br /> :Rimmer: Well, why break a habit of a lifetime? <br /> <br /> It would be much clearer that it's not aimed ''at'' her, since the implication is that Starscream himself is the one massaging his own ego by creating the clones. Would that be suitably PC and also contextual enough for everyone? Because seeing as the whole bit of the Red Dwarf theme is to be making fun of the character because of their facet...there's not really a whole lot of ways we could use it without delving into misogyny. Though for that matter, I think we'd be hard pressed to find such quotes in Red Dwarf anyway.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 05:53, 1 June 2009 (EDT)<br /> :I don't think we need more Red Dwarf quotes. If anything, I think we need less.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&lt;sup&gt;Talk&lt;/sup&gt;]] 10:53, 1 June 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Derrick's Formspring==<br /> Yes, Derrick agreed with a poster that she's his sadistic side. Then he agreed with a poster that she exists because Starscream secretly wants to be a girl. He'd joking around, clearly.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 19:51, 6 July 2010 (EDT)<br /> :Why does nobody get that the joke is you're not supposed to know? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:56, 6 July 2010 (EDT)<br /> :Mea culpa- I was only going on what he posted to Twitter, not to Formpsring. - [[User:Ayellowbirds|Ayellowbirds]] 20:02, 6 July 2010 (EDT)<br /> ::No problem. It was an honest mistake. I think Derrick is just frustrated with question about this subject.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 20:03, 6 July 2010 (EDT)<br /> :::To be fair, when we started editing, it looked as if Wyatt had given the first and only ever answer to the question, so you can excuse us if we thought it looked legit. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 20:04, 6 July 2010 (EDT)<br /> ::::Of course! I wasn't annoyed or frustrated or questioning your judgment. Also, I probably know his tone better than you guys.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 20:07, 6 July 2010 (EDT)<br /> :::::Haha, sorry, I'm still in argument mode from all the talk about Sideways and whatnot. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 20:14, 6 July 2010 (EDT)<br /> ::::::It was me who asked that question and he just confirmed that it was a joke. Slipstream does NOT represent sadism, sad but true ;P --[[User:Aureole|Aureole]] 21:52, 6 July 2010 (EDT)<br /> :Guh, and here, for a moment, I had hope Wyatt would quit this downright obnoxious not-joke. I feel cheated. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 01:25, 7 July 2010 (EDT)<br /> ::I don't know what's going to happen, I'm not going to follow his account and look out for news. But I guess you ARE cheated x'D --[[User:Aureole|Aureole]] 15:59, 7 July 2010 (EDT)</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Slipstream_(Animated)&diff=474913 2010-07-07T01:52:04Z

<p>Aureole: /* Derrick&#039;s Formspring */</p> <hr /> <div>Y'know it just occured to me that the bright blue on her legs and wings is pretty much exactly the blue of G1 Starscream's Pretender shell. Could be a chance thing but especially on the legs it really recalls that toy to me. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 17:14, 29 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::I have gone over the Screamer clones so many times it is giving me a headache, but I finaly thought that there is not a clone that is the tracherous(spelling) side of him other than the female. She seems to be the closest one, from my point of view anyway. Does anyone else have an idea?[[User:HotRodimus|HotRodimus]] 02:44, 13 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Yes I have! I think she's supposed to represent sadism in a non-sexual way. It's pretty much known that sadism is not a trait defined by 'explicit actions' to call it that way - it's an overall joy in hurting others and causing physical or mental harm to living beings and Slipstream does seem to feel very comfortable with cursing, verbally attacking and hurting others for no particular reason (she intended to shoot Starscream out of the air by mere noticing him [which turned out a mistake anyway]). Sadism is also something one would most likely not want to think about in regard to Starscream and it's maybe not too appropriate for a childrens show, so they just didn't mention it with words. Who knows, maybe there even IS a sexual note to it. would be one more reason to just call her the girl you 'better not ask' about. --[[User:Aureole|Aureole]] 12:14, 15 May 2010 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Rimmer theme captions ==<br /> <br /> I think a good option to continue the theme would be something like the &quot;What the hell, I just won't tell her&quot; from Rimmerworld, or one of the ones from Terrorform. If anyone agrees, can I upload an image with such a caption?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 09:53, 30 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :There's also She-Rimmer from ''Parallel Universe''... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:12, 30 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> ==Pretender Starscream==<br /> <br /> At one point I'd added in that her teal lower and grey upper legs, and really the placement of all the grey above, very much echo Starscream's Pretender shell. Someone deleted that with out giving a reason, but it's true, it's relevant, and it's a close as G2 Ramjet is really. I feel like it should be there as an observation at least. (Pretender Screamer is really all I can think of when I look at her pic in that section.) Objections? --[[Special:Contributions/71.235.142.128|71.235.142.128]] 02:09, 6 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> :If she was meant to be the shell, she'd have the shell's layout. But she doesn't. She wouldn't have a mainly purple torso, and she'd have brown gauntlets and a brown helmet. The note does not say &quot;based on G2 Ramjet&quot;, its says &quot;shares predominant colors with but everything's laid out completely differently&quot;, and explained in-depth to note that it is likely NOT supposed to be G2 Ramjet. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:33, 6 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::I guess I just don't see the difference between saying &quot;She's got colors like G1 Ramjet but not the layout, it's probably a coincidence.&quot; and saying &quot;She's got several of the colors AND some of the layout of Starscream's Shell but it'a probably a coincidence&quot;. I just think that if the likeness to one is close enough to rate a mention so is the other. --[[Special:Contributions/71.235.142.128|71.235.142.128]] 02:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Part of the difference is that you're the first person to say &quot;Pretender shell&quot;, where almost five seconds after she appeared, the intarwebs-at-large declared her (erroneously) to be G2 Ramjet. Listing EVERY theory anyone ever had would quickly fill up space for not good reason (like the theory that Dion got turned into Huffer). --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:42, 6 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::&quot;The intarwebs-at-large said she was G2 Ramjet&quot;? I saw more &quot;Dirge&quot; speculation (stirred up by the Dubai spoilers) than G2 Ramjet speculation. [[User:Galvanisation|Galvanisation]] 02:45, 7 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == tragic past ==<br /> <br /> i think she'd consider her past tragic, coming from Starscream and all. Maybe a little comment on that? [[User:Mr. Magorium|Not Steve]][[User Talk:Mr. Magorium|&lt;sup&gt;complain here&lt;/sup&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Mr. Magorium|&lt;sub&gt;The Big Book&lt;/sub&gt;]] 19:25, 31 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Maybe? She hates him, but she hates pretty much anybody I guess --[[User:Aureole|Aureole]] 19:13, 28 May 2010 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Spoiler in the Edit History D:==<br /> <br /> Is there any way to get rid of that spoiler I stupidly stuck into my edit comment? I can't believe I suffered such a brain-fart D: [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] 11:13, 5 April 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Can we just call her Mega?==<br /> She hasn't technically been named anywhere, but since that's who her colours are based on... {{unsigned|76.71.8.91|22:49, 17 May 2009}}<br /> :No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:03, 17 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :: I think there is a reason to not naming her mega nor naming the [[Ramjet (Animated)|Liar Starscream]] Ramjet. It's the trademark; if Hasbro makes the toy, but they don't get the rights to the name &quot;Mega&quot;, they will have to give her other name. Then, we have to wait and see. {{unsigned|186.9.15.58|00:01, 18 May 2009}}<br /> :::Apparently, she's going to be named in a reference book (the &quot;AllSpark Almanac&quot;, was it?) - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 09:34, 18 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Derik? ==<br /> <br /> Source for &quot;Slipstream&quot;? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:54, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I dunbno. Some guy, I think he said his name was &quot;Anonymous.&quot;<br /> :(Via the toyline pannel, a redirect instead of a move would be me expressing due caution with an unvetted source.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:59, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::Yeah, live feed of the BotCon Hasbro panel coming in over at TFW2005 confirms Slipstream. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:08, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::Ja, I got it via 4Chan, but there were enough other people postign there that I figured it'd have been nix'd if the report was a prank. Nice of McFeely to confirm, it means we can move it now. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:10, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Sexism?==<br /> &quot;nagging harpy&quot; &quot;bitch&quot; &quot;tart&quot; Does this wiki really want to endorse these slurs? The articles on Jazz and Blaster don't use racial slurs.<br /> :...She ''is'' a bitch. That's her entire character. Unless you wish us to use the gender-neutral term of &quot;unpleasant individual&quot;. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:10, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::I think it's a valid complaint. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 23:18, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::Yeah it's a valid complaint, but I agree with Interrobang on this one. Oh, we could get rid of every use of the word slag as an insult because it means whore in slang for the UK. We could use much worse language as well to describe her too. If you want opinions from the people who might see it as sexist, we should get the female users to give their voice.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 23:26, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::::We're not using &quot;slag&quot; to refer to female characters as &quot;whores,&quot; so your comparison is not apt. Also, one doesn't have to be a woman to dislike seeing the use of sexist slurs. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 23:34, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::::Please define &quot;sexist slur&quot;. We are not using &quot;bitch&quot; as a substitute of &quot;female&quot;. We are using it by the definition of &quot;unpleasant female&quot;, ''which is what this character is''. Unless you want us to remove all and any indications of gender and sex in Transformers characters. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:05, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::::::Whilst slightly incredulous that I would need to actually ''explain'' this, okay: Calling a woman a bitch is using a sexist slur, whether she's unpleasant or not. The word means female ''dog'' and thus applying it to female ''person'' is dehumanizing. When it comes to an &quot;unpleasant woman,&quot; it is the ''unpleasantness'' that is the thing she is to be criticized for, ''not'' her gender. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:23, 31 May 2009 (EDT) <br /> :::::::Dehumanizing? Oh no, you wouldn't want the person you're INSULTING to feel bad! But that can't be the problem, as then you turn around and complain that it isn't gender neutral. Exactly what insults are acceptable? I should point out that I'm a jerk, and I therefore find the Sentinel Prime page highly offensive, can you get to work on sanitizing that while you're at it? - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 00:31, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::::::::You'll note that I didn't propose &quot;sanitizing&quot; anything. In fact, I didn't even address the specific use of &quot;bitch&quot; in the caption on this page. I was just responding, in a general sense, to the apparent question as to why bitch would be considered a sexist slur. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:38, 31 May 2009 (EDT) <br /> :::::::You are conflating etymology with definition. It is true that people used the word because it meant &quot;female dog&quot;. That is no longer the case and the word's primary meaning is now &quot;unpleasant woman&quot;. Nobody is criticizing the fictional character's gender. That is silly and I think most realize this without needing this explained to them. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:45, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::::::::Yes, the word's primary meaning is now a gendered insult, which is why it is often considered to be a sexist slur. At any rate, turning away from generalities and back to this specific article: The use of &quot;bitch&quot; in the main imagine caption could arguably be considered acceptable, in that given the context it can be read as the character herself embracing the term, rather than being insulted with it. However, as the original commenter noted, &quot;bitch&quot; appearing on the same page with &quot;nagging harpy&quot; and &quot;tart&quot; ''does'' lend an aura of sexism to the article. The &quot;nagging hapry&quot; bit, at least, should be removed. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:02, 31 May 2009 (EDT) <br /> ::::::::::We should totally change [[Skywarp (Animated)|Skywarp's]] page so that it has lots of jokes about him being a negro. Negro totally just means black, right? It's spanish! It's hilarious, because being Black Starscream is his primary character trait. That wacky Skywarp, what a hilarious negro. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 01:25, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :Am I the only one that doesn't get the &quot;tarts&quot; caption? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:49, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::I think it may be a Red Dwarf quote. There was an idea of having that as a theme running through the clones' pages for some reason. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 23:51, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::Right, that's from the Red Dwarf episode &quot;Parallel Universe&quot;, where Lister and Rimmer met their female alternates from another universe. The caption was one of the female Rimmer's lines. --[[User:Professor Icepick|Professor Icepick]] 23:55, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::If it's on a clone page and it's not funny, it's probably from Red Dwarf. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:56, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Ironically here, the original question totally misses the context of the word &quot;bitch&quot; as it appears in the caption -- it's being claimed as an affirmative, in the way that insults are often commandeered by the recipients and repurposed as expressions of solidarity. See also: &quot;nigger&quot;, &quot;dyke&quot;, the list goes on and on. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:52, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The problem with all of these terms is that the deduce the recipient's eentire identity to a single element-- their gender. &quot;You are a cunt, you are a tart, you are a twat, you are a bitch...&quot; they all translate to- &quot;you are a female, and not in your place.&quot;<br /> :Reducing ANY character to their gender is cemeaning, it means they have no value beyond their gender, and it's their 100% most importand definign facet, dwarfing any other accomplishments, goals, dreams etc etc etc. Sexism is BAD because it reduces people to simply male or female.<br /> :If this was Arcee's article I would not approove of this. Hell, if it was Blackarachnia's article I wouldn't approve of this-- and she's a classic &quot;vamp&quot; negative female stereotype. But this is a character who for months and multiple fiction appearances was known as &quot;Female Starscream.&quot; And she is, in-canon, &quot;Starscream's feminine side.&quot; She is Starscream + Female. her femaleness is all that distinguishes her from him, like like Liar Starscream's pathological prevarication is all that distinguishes him from Statrscream.<br /> :I'm still not a FAN of this... but Slipstream is one of the few characters where you might actually have grounds to ''justify'' it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:34, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Anybody who sees Slipstream as nothing more than &quot;female Starscream&quot; wasn't paying attention. She's smart, competent, witty, sarcastic, intelligent, quick witted... -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 01:49, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::And so is Starscream, some times. Arguably, she's just Starscream MINUS his male ego.<br /> :::But the original question was-- &quot;is this sexist?&quot; My answer is &quot;normally yes, but female Starscream is a character who IS mantextually defined by her gender.&quot;<br /> :::Mind you, i still think it's icky... Any of the 3 image captions is fine on it's own... but lumped all together they form an unfortuanate pattern--<br /> :::#Empowered woman identified a threatening and negative figure<br /> :::#Joke about reducing empowered woman to animal level so that she can no longer dominate men<br /> :::#Joke that reduces her to a barbie doll.<br /> :::The last one, especially, is innocent-- the 'X is the new Y' is so common that it's been shorn from its original fashion roots, but when grouped with the other two it becomes part of an unfortunate pattern that locks it back into that context-- in a lot of ways the fashoin-obsessed female 'accusation' places an empowered female into a dis-empowering context-box. She becomes silly, and easily disregarded, and has no authority because hwo can you take someone with 35 pairs of shoes seriously?<br /> :::It's a totally '''unintentional''' pattern, but it's there. And it's icky. And it sends messages we don't want to send.<br /> :::Ditch the Red Dwarf quote. It's what really sets a negative tone. (I also feel like there's dissonance, where it's difficult to fit to the character somehow, so it sits awkwardly... but that might just be because I haven't seen the Red Dwarf episode in question.)<br /> :::(Ditch the trivia quote too, we can come up with ''something'' better, this is almost random.)<br /> :::keep the first quote. Bitch or no, it's her claiming power for herself, and it's the only one that really feels like her personality. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:28, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::::The Red Dwarf quote we have now doesn't really work anyway, so go ahead and remove it, but I personally really liked the Red Dwarf theme across the clone articles. Could we maybe use another quote from Rimmerworld or the parallel dimension episode?? On the other hand, I can't actually see how the Red Dwarf quote is making fun of women at all. To be honest, the quote isn't even ''directed'' at her - it's the female Rimmer making fun of the two Listers for being irresponsible. Calling it a &quot;disempowering&quot; quote is actually kind of nonsensical, as the whole point of that episode is that it's a universe where ''males'' were disenfranchised. For the last joke; I honestly didn't get any implication about shoes from that. Honestly, I didn't see an implication of ''anything'' from it - it seemed like it was commenting on her being a redeco, or something? I don't know. But I wouldn't argue against it being removed. The first caption, while the most fitting, is pretty much the only one that seems to imply anything negative. I would like to say, though, that at least as far as I've recognized in my life, &quot;bitch&quot; is relatively gender neutral, and basically just means someone who is constantly complaining or criticizing (i.e., bitching). I know my friends and me call each other it all the time, and they're very definitely not women.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 05:38, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::::Bitch as a verb may be gender-neutral, but I'd argue that bitch as an insult isn't. When the word bitch is used to describe males, it has a feminizing or emasculating effect, disturbingly close to some gay slurs I'd rather not go into. {{unsigned|24.192.196.242}}<br /> <br /> :::::Oh, one of the Starscreams is in a parallel dimension. Where male Starscreams can get pregnant apparently. This causes a misunderstanding. Hilarity ensues! If you want advice from someone who hasn't seen the show, unless you are a Red Dwarf fanboy, ripping those quotes completely out of context makes no sense and is unfunny. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 07:44, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::Maybe:<br /> <br /> Arlene:: In my bunk? On my sheets, using my springs. What could possibly have made you contemplate making love to yourself?<br /> Rimmer: Well, why break a habit of a lifetime?<br /> <br /> :Does this all mean we have to change the second and fourth captions on [[Laserbeak (G1)]]? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:15, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::I'm entirely comfortable killing the Red Dwarf running gag - it never really felt right across the Starscream clones. I got it, but it just didn't really jive. (Also, not to Chat Room this bitch up (oho) but I always figured Slipstream was the embodiment of either Starscream's competency or his opportunism. Guess I should ask Derrick.) [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 07:22, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> '''FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!''' When the hell did this place become a haven for the overly sensitive take offence at anything whiny pc oxegen thieves? It's not sexist, it's a joke, grow the '''HELL''' up. It's not a valid concern that this article is promoting sexism, it's you being ridiculous.[[User:Eire]] 13.28 May 31 09 (UTC)<br /> : '''Hooper's Law:''' The only people who piss and moan about &quot;political correctness&quot; are the ones who are mad that it's no longer okay to tell Dumb Polack jokes. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 08:43, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Sense it was a wiki dedicated to a franchise meant for '''KIDS.''' {{unsigned|24.192.196.242}}<br /> <br /> :It became one back when everyone started whining over the [[accents]] article, sadly.<br /> :And nah, I just piss and moan about PCness because most of the time people are whining when there wasn't any maliciousness actually intended. I mean, I ''am'' female, and I wasn't offended by the jokes being complained about on this page (especially since she ''is'' a bitch and seems to revel in that fact).<br /> :Now, when we start seeing people being actually hateful about something, ''then'' it's worth getting one's knickers in a knot. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 09:01, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::Not all members of the offended group have to take offense for something to be offensive. {{unsigned|24.192.196.242}}<br /> :::No, but getting offended over something being sexist when it's not does get rather silly. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:31, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::::Bitch, nagging harpy, and tart are sexist words. [[Special:Contributions/24.192.196.242|24.192.196.242]] 14:26, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::::Which accurately describe how the character acts. I mean, if it was Arcee being called any of those things, you'd have a case for sexism, because that character doesn't act that way.<br /> :::::But if you can suggest gender-neutral words that convey the same sets of personality traits, I'd be behind you in using those instead. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:41, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::It was hardly &quot;whining&quot; to point out the past-borderline racism and/or intellectual emptiness in the assertion that Blu Mankuma speaks with an &quot;African accent.&quot; --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 09:56, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::Yeah, because that's so much more racist and intellectually empty than pointing out that Perceptor has a British accent, Ironhide has a Southern accent, etc. Heck, we say in the Jet Twins' article that they speak with a Russian accent; doesn't that thus imply all Russians speak with broken English or something by your logic? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 10:42, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::::To be precise: it was racist to say &quot;Tigatron has an African accent&quot; because Tigatron's voice is just Blu Mankuma's normal speaking voice, and Blu Mankuma ''is an American who speaks perfect American English while happening to be black.'' He sure as hell doesn't sound like Kofi Annan. &lt;--Thy <br /> ::::It's &quot;racist and intellectually empty&quot; because Africa is a damn HUGE place that doesn't even have anything resembling a single accent. It's like talking about a &quot;European accent&quot; to talk about everywhere from Scotland to Turkey, or an &quot;American [continent] accent&quot; to talk about everywhere from Canada to Argentina.<br /> ::::And, yeah, I have a problem with not specifying in the other cases you use as well. There's certainly no such thing as a generic &quot;British accent&quot;, since (even without hearing the G1 cartoon) I'm damn sure that there's no conceivable way that Perceptor's voice could sound like it could come from any one of London, Birmingham, Leeds, Glasgow, Aberdeen, Cardiff or Belfast (to pick but a few cities) without being able to distinguish a general area. As a result, it's not just lazy, but actually ''inaccurate''. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 12:17, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::::Actually, there ''is'' a &quot;generic British accent&quot;, so to speak, in the form of Received Pronunciation, just like the &quot;generic American accent&quot; is close to Midwestern American.<br /> ::::::RP is, if anything, the most specific accent of all - being as it is limited to a few thousand actors and other speakers who took extended elocution lessons, since there is no geographic accent that sounds like it. As a result, you very rarely hear an RP accent on the telly any more (whereas at one point it was so essential to get on the Beeb that it was referred to as the &quot;BBC accent&quot;, it's now an active detriment as the BBC tries to use people with accents from around the country so as to be not to be seen as London-specific. The accent most associated with London these days is [[Wikipedia:Estuary English|&quot;Estuary English&quot;]], for the record), and when you do it tends to be someone with an otherwise-distinctive voice like Tom Baker. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 13:12, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::::::'K, next time one of my friends talks about a &quot;Northeastern&quot; or &quot;Southern&quot; accent or somesuch, I'll be sure to get annoyed and call them racist because they couldn't idenfify precisely what state and/or region it was from. *shrug* --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:31, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::But in any case, I actually will agree with &quot;inaccurate&quot;. But it's not racist to be inaccurate, it's just... inaccurate to be inaccurate. And saying someone has a certain type of accent isn't racist. Just like saying someone's a bitch/harpy/tart/whatever isn't sexist if they actually act like that, rather than being called that solely because they're female. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:44, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::I still stand by the fact that, despite being a member the supposedly maligned party here, I find getting uptight about this whole matter to be silly. When someone makes a comment implying that Slipstream acts like a bitch ''because'' that's expected of a female counterpart, or something similar, ''then'' it's worth getting upset about. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 10:42, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::How 'bout &quot;You say &quot;evil&quot; like it's a ''bad'' thing!&quot; ?<br /> :I would say 1) No, because it's not at all funny; 2) No, because evil=bad by definition, so it's nonsensical as well.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 01:52, 1 June 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::While real criminals often have some kind of justification, its common for cartoon characters to revel in their villainy. This sounds like something Slipstream would say.<br /> :...what the hell are you babbling about? &quot;Reveling in their villainy&quot; would still have &quot;evil != bad&quot; be a contradiction, and Slipstream has never, ever said anything even approaching that, or anything with that kind of attitude.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 02:27, 1 June 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Edit War: its on. Political Correctness or death! {{unsigned|24.192.196.242|02:44, 1 June 2009}}<br /> :I don't like edit wars very much. I like people who announce their intent to continue an edit war even less. Be better behaved in a week.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&lt;sup&gt;Talk&lt;/sup&gt;]] 03:08, 1 June 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::Would this be an acceptable Red Dwarf quote? It's about all I can find that would fit at all.<br /> <br /> :Arlene:: In my bunk? On my sheets, using my springs. What could possibly have made you contemplate making love to yourself?<br /> :Rimmer: Well, why break a habit of a lifetime? <br /> <br /> It would be much clearer that it's not aimed ''at'' her, since the implication is that Starscream himself is the one massaging his own ego by creating the clones. Would that be suitably PC and also contextual enough for everyone? Because seeing as the whole bit of the Red Dwarf theme is to be making fun of the character because of their facet...there's not really a whole lot of ways we could use it without delving into misogyny. Though for that matter, I think we'd be hard pressed to find such quotes in Red Dwarf anyway.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 05:53, 1 June 2009 (EDT)<br /> :I don't think we need more Red Dwarf quotes. If anything, I think we need less.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&lt;sup&gt;Talk&lt;/sup&gt;]] 10:53, 1 June 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Derrick's Formspring==<br /> Yes, Derrick agreed with a poster that she's his sadistic side. Then he agreed with a poster that she exists because Starscream secretly wants to be a girl. He'd joking around, clearly.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 19:51, 6 July 2010 (EDT)<br /> :Why does nobody get that the joke is you're not supposed to know? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:56, 6 July 2010 (EDT)<br /> :Mea culpa- I was only going on what he posted to Twitter, not to Formpsring. - [[User:Ayellowbirds|Ayellowbirds]] 20:02, 6 July 2010 (EDT)<br /> ::No problem. It was an honest mistake. I think Derrick is just frustrated with question about this subject.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 20:03, 6 July 2010 (EDT)<br /> :::To be fair, when we started editing, it looked as if Wyatt had given the first and only ever answer to the question, so you can excuse us if we thought it looked legit. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 20:04, 6 July 2010 (EDT)<br /> ::::Of course! I wasn't annoyed or frustrated or questioning your judgment. Also, I probably know his tone better than you guys.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 20:07, 6 July 2010 (EDT)<br /> :::::Haha, sorry, I'm still in argument mode from all the talk about Sideways and whatnot. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 20:14, 6 July 2010 (EDT)<br /> ::::::It was me who asked that question and he just confirmed that it was a joke. Slipstream does NOT represent sadism, sad but true ;P --[[User:Aureole|Aureole]] 21:52, 6 July 2010 (EDT)</div>

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<p>Aureole: /* Electro circuits */</p> <hr /> <div>{{disambig3|Circuit}}<br /> '''Circuits''' are an essential part of the anatomy of mechanical beings, especially [[Transformer|Transformers]]. They regulate a diverse range of functions, not all of which are equally applicable in differing eras of Cybertronian history. However, they all share a [[Circuit Breaker|common nemesis]].<br /> <br /> ==Circuit types==<br /> ===Bio-circuits===<br /> The function of bio-circuits is not explicitly stated, though by context it can be inferred that they are vital to a Transformer's continued functioning. After [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] almost accidentally destroyed the [[Solar Needle]], [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] threatened to permanently deactivate his bio-circuits. {{storylink|Changing Gears|Changing Gears}}<br /> <br /> ===Brain circuits===<br /> Brain circuits are sometimes known as '''cerebro-circuits'''.<br /> <br /> Brain circuits are vital circuits which maintain a Transformer's intelligence as well as a part of their personality. [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] once caused [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] to be late for a very important meeting with [[Tommy Kennedy]] (well...not really, Prime was just upset he was late), so the [[Prime (rank)|Autobot leader]] intended to have Grimlock's brain circuits upgraded. Good luck with that, Prime.<br /> <br /> In the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel G1 comic]], brain circuits were sometimes referred to as cerebro-circuits. {{storylink|Toy Soldiers!|Toy Soldiers!}}<br /> <br /> [[Overkill (G1)|Overkill]] reinstalled his cerebro-circuitry from his diminutive [[Mini-Cassette|mini-cassette]] form into a larger, more dangerous body.&lt;ref&gt;''Special Edition'' Overkill's on-package bio.&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ===Chameleon circuits===<br /> [[Image:Ravageboxart.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Not a London police box.]]<br /> Chameleon circuits are advanced circuitry that allows a Transformer to better disguise themselves from detection by others. [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]'s various [[Mini Cassette|symbiots]] possess chameleon circuitry to better avoid detection by the Autobots. [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] possesses special &quot;umbra&quot; chameleon circuits that allow him to blend into the shadows.&lt;ref&gt;[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ===Conflict circuits===<br /> Apparently the part of a Transformer's brain that decides how to respond to a challenge. At the opening of the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]], when [[Rattrap]] was teasing [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] into a frenzy, [[Optimus Primal]] ordered them to &quot;moderate [their] conflict circuits.&quot; {{storylink|Beast Wars (Part 1)}}<br /> <br /> ===Electro circuits===<br /> The electro circuits are a component within Transformer anatomy, but their purpose is unclear. [[Anti-electron|Anti-electrons]] attack such circuits and cause severe glitches to occur in a Transformer. {{storylink|Grimlock's New Brain}}<br /> <br /> Since all circuitry is electric, it's likely that the term refers to all kinds of circuits present in a Transformer's body.<br /> <br /> ===Logic circuits===<br /> Logic circuits are a component of Transformer anatomy that is charged with intelligence and reasoning out confusing situations. In the [[Beast Wars (cartoon)|''Beast Wars'' series]], these circuits were especially important due to the increased reliance on [[Alternate mode|beast modes]]. With the acquisition of beast modes, there came instances of the beast modes' instincts influencing the logic circuits. When [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] came online, his beast mode convinced him that he was a real fire ant and that his [[stasis pod]] was his colony. {{storylink|Spider's Game}} Later, the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] stole the shielding system of the ''[[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]]'', forcing the [[Maximal|Maximals]] to remain in beast mode to avoid [[Energon (fuel)|Energon]] buildup, all while under bombardment and suffering from sleep deprivation. Eventually, their beast modes came to override their logic circuits. Only with [[Tigatron]]'s help did they overcome their baser instincts. {{storylink|Call of the Wild}}<br /> <br /> Implying that another Transformer has no logic circuits is a common (mild) slur on their character. {{storylink|Double Jeopardy}}<br /> <br /> ===Memory circuits===<br /> Memory circuits are a component of Transformer anatomy that allows access to memories. They can be bypassed in order to make a Transformer &quot;forget&quot; certain things, such as who their enemies are.<br /> <br /> In the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 series]], [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] was hit after he downloaded the contents of a computer mainframe, which caused him to lose the information he'd collected. {{storylink|The Insecticon Syndrome}} <br /> <br /> As well, after capturing the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], the [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] bypassed the Dinobots' memory circuits in order to make them willing slaves in the [[Cybertonium Pit|Cybertonium Pits]]. {{storylink|Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 2}}<br /> <br /> In the [[Beast Wars (cartoon)|''Beast Wars'' cartoon]], Tigatron's revival from his [[stasis pod]] left him with damaged memory circuits and made him believe that he was an animal like [[Snowstalker]]. {{storylink|Fallen Comrades}}<br /> <br /> Contaminated oil resulted in the [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicons]] damaging their memory circuits, thus causing them to completely forget previous events. {{storylink|Rise of the Constructicons}}<br /> <br /> ===Oral circuits===<br /> A Transformer's oral circuits are related to vocalization. In the UK Marvel ''Transformers'' comic, [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] cleared his oral circuits to cover up his daydreaming during one of Optimus Prime's boring lectures. {{storylink|The Magnificent Six!}}<br /> <br /> In the live-action movie, [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] is described as having had his &quot;vocal processor&quot; damaged in a battle with the [[Decepticon|Decepticons]], rendering him unable to communicate with other species, though still able to communicate over inter-Autobot frequencies. [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] had been having trouble fixing them ever since. {{storylink|Transformers (2007)|Transformers (2007)}}<br /> <br /> It is unknown how, if at all, the vocal processor and oral circuits are related. They may coexist, or they may be different devices which serve the same purpose.<br /> <br /> ===Reason circuits===<br /> Reason circuits are a component of Transformer anatomy that governs their capacity to reason. They are evidently distinct from logic circuits. In the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 cartoon]], after being hit by a missile from [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]], [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] became increasingly paranoid (far more so even than usual) due to damage made to both his logic and reason circuits. {{storylink|Auto Berserk|Auto Berserk}}<br /> <br /> ===Security circuits===<br /> A Transformer's security circuits prevent outside intrusion onto their computers.<br /> <br /> Security circuits briefly remain offline after a [[protoform]] goes through its [[activation sequence]]. [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] took advantage of this to change [[Quickstrike (BW)|Quickstrike]] and [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt's]] [[Activation code|activation codes]] by remote override in order to make them believe they were [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]]. {{storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 1)|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 1)}}<br /> <br /> ===Servo circuits===<br /> Servo circuits are essential for a Transformer to remain standing. Without them, Transformers collapse as if paralyzed.<br /> <br /> Among [[Rattrap]]'s bag of tricks was a key-sized device which could disrupt another Transformer's servo circuits and disable [[transformation]]. The device worked only at ''extremely'' close range and appeared to be single-use, as Rattrap threw it away afterward. {{storylink|Double Jeopardy|Double Jeopardy}}<br /> <br /> ===Shielding circuitry===<br /> In order to better disguise themselves on Earth, [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] installed shielding circuitry into the Autobots. These circuits allowed the Autobots to slide a metal sheet over their Autobot [[insignia]]s in [[alternate mode]], hiding them from view. {{storylink|Rock and Roll-Out!}}<br /> <br /> ===Transform circuits===<br /> ''Transform circuits'' or ''transformation circuits'' apparently govern the electronic activation of a Transformer's conversion into any alternate mode(s). Damage to them may make a Transformer unable to initiate a change, or successfully complete one.<br /> <br /> [[Jetfire (G1)|Skyfire]] had his transform circuits damaged by one of [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]]'s powerful kicks. {{storylink|A Plague of Insecticons|A Plague of Insecticons}}<br /> <br /> ===Truth circuits===<br /> Truth circuits measure and assess the accuracy (or possibly credulity) of spoken statements (kinda like Pinocchio's nose, but more high-tech).<br /> <br /> Optimus Primal once refrained from offering [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] the conversational pleasantry &quot;glad to see you&quot; rather than risk burning his own out. {{storylink|Before the Storm|Before the Storm}}<br /> <br /> [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] believed [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] was lying as his [[Cybro polygraph]] was going off, but whether this relates to truth circuits is not known. {{storylink|Traitor|Traitor}}<br /> <br /> ==See also==<br /> *[[Processors]]<br /> *[[Programs]]<br /> *[[Sensors]]<br /> *[[Systems]]<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> &lt;references /&gt;<br /> <br /> [[Category:Transformer anatomy]]</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Circuit_(circuit)&diff=465886 2010-06-17T16:31:08Z

<p>Aureole: /* Electro circuits */</p> <hr /> <div>{{disambig3|Circuit}}<br /> '''Circuits''' are an essential part of the anatomy of mechanical beings, especially [[Transformer|Transformers]]. They regulate a diverse range of functions, not all of which are equally applicable in differing eras of Cybertronian history. However, they all share a [[Circuit Breaker|common nemesis]].<br /> <br /> ==Circuit types==<br /> ===Bio-circuits===<br /> The function of bio-circuits is not explicitly stated, though by context it can be inferred that they are vital to a Transformer's continued functioning. After [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] almost accidentally destroyed the [[Solar Needle]], [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] threatened to permanently deactivate his bio-circuits. {{storylink|Changing Gears|Changing Gears}}<br /> <br /> ===Brain circuits===<br /> Brain circuits are sometimes known as '''cerebro-circuits'''.<br /> <br /> Brain circuits are vital circuits which maintain a Transformer's intelligence as well as a part of their personality. [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] once caused [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] to be late for a very important meeting with [[Tommy Kennedy]] (well...not really, Prime was just upset he was late), so the [[Prime (rank)|Autobot leader]] intended to have Grimlock's brain circuits upgraded. Good luck with that, Prime.<br /> <br /> In the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel G1 comic]], brain circuits were sometimes referred to as cerebro-circuits. {{storylink|Toy Soldiers!|Toy Soldiers!}}<br /> <br /> [[Overkill (G1)|Overkill]] reinstalled his cerebro-circuitry from his diminutive [[Mini-Cassette|mini-cassette]] form into a larger, more dangerous body.&lt;ref&gt;''Special Edition'' Overkill's on-package bio.&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ===Chameleon circuits===<br /> [[Image:Ravageboxart.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Not a London police box.]]<br /> Chameleon circuits are advanced circuitry that allows a Transformer to better disguise themselves from detection by others. [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]'s various [[Mini Cassette|symbiots]] possess chameleon circuitry to better avoid detection by the Autobots. [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] possesses special &quot;umbra&quot; chameleon circuits that allow him to blend into the shadows.&lt;ref&gt;[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ===Conflict circuits===<br /> Apparently the part of a Transformer's brain that decides how to respond to a challenge. At the opening of the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]], when [[Rattrap]] was teasing [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] into a frenzy, [[Optimus Primal]] ordered them to &quot;moderate [their] conflict circuits.&quot; {{storylink|Beast Wars (Part 1)}}<br /> <br /> ===Electro circuits===<br /> The electro circuits are a component within Transformer anatomy, but their purpose is unclear. [[Anti-electron|Anti-electrons]] attack such circuits and cause severe glitches to occur in a Transformer. {{storylink|Grimlock's New Brain}}<br /> <br /> Since all circuitry is electric, it's likely that the term refers to all kinds of circuits present in a Transformers body.<br /> <br /> ===Logic circuits===<br /> Logic circuits are a component of Transformer anatomy that is charged with intelligence and reasoning out confusing situations. In the [[Beast Wars (cartoon)|''Beast Wars'' series]], these circuits were especially important due to the increased reliance on [[Alternate mode|beast modes]]. With the acquisition of beast modes, there came instances of the beast modes' instincts influencing the logic circuits. When [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] came online, his beast mode convinced him that he was a real fire ant and that his [[stasis pod]] was his colony. {{storylink|Spider's Game}} Later, the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] stole the shielding system of the ''[[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]]'', forcing the [[Maximal|Maximals]] to remain in beast mode to avoid [[Energon (fuel)|Energon]] buildup, all while under bombardment and suffering from sleep deprivation. Eventually, their beast modes came to override their logic circuits. Only with [[Tigatron]]'s help did they overcome their baser instincts. {{storylink|Call of the Wild}}<br /> <br /> Implying that another Transformer has no logic circuits is a common (mild) slur on their character. {{storylink|Double Jeopardy}}<br /> <br /> ===Memory circuits===<br /> Memory circuits are a component of Transformer anatomy that allows access to memories. They can be bypassed in order to make a Transformer &quot;forget&quot; certain things, such as who their enemies are.<br /> <br /> In the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 series]], [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] was hit after he downloaded the contents of a computer mainframe, which caused him to lose the information he'd collected. {{storylink|The Insecticon Syndrome}} <br /> <br /> As well, after capturing the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], the [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] bypassed the Dinobots' memory circuits in order to make them willing slaves in the [[Cybertonium Pit|Cybertonium Pits]]. {{storylink|Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 2}}<br /> <br /> In the [[Beast Wars (cartoon)|''Beast Wars'' cartoon]], Tigatron's revival from his [[stasis pod]] left him with damaged memory circuits and made him believe that he was an animal like [[Snowstalker]]. {{storylink|Fallen Comrades}}<br /> <br /> Contaminated oil resulted in the [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicons]] damaging their memory circuits, thus causing them to completely forget previous events. {{storylink|Rise of the Constructicons}}<br /> <br /> ===Oral circuits===<br /> A Transformer's oral circuits are related to vocalization. In the UK Marvel ''Transformers'' comic, [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] cleared his oral circuits to cover up his daydreaming during one of Optimus Prime's boring lectures. {{storylink|The Magnificent Six!}}<br /> <br /> In the live-action movie, [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] is described as having had his &quot;vocal processor&quot; damaged in a battle with the [[Decepticon|Decepticons]], rendering him unable to communicate with other species, though still able to communicate over inter-Autobot frequencies. [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] had been having trouble fixing them ever since. {{storylink|Transformers (2007)|Transformers (2007)}}<br /> <br /> It is unknown how, if at all, the vocal processor and oral circuits are related. They may coexist, or they may be different devices which serve the same purpose.<br /> <br /> ===Reason circuits===<br /> Reason circuits are a component of Transformer anatomy that governs their capacity to reason. They are evidently distinct from logic circuits. In the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 cartoon]], after being hit by a missile from [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]], [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] became increasingly paranoid (far more so even than usual) due to damage made to both his logic and reason circuits. {{storylink|Auto Berserk|Auto Berserk}}<br /> <br /> ===Security circuits===<br /> A Transformer's security circuits prevent outside intrusion onto their computers.<br /> <br /> Security circuits briefly remain offline after a [[protoform]] goes through its [[activation sequence]]. [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] took advantage of this to change [[Quickstrike (BW)|Quickstrike]] and [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt's]] [[Activation code|activation codes]] by remote override in order to make them believe they were [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]]. {{storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 1)|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 1)}}<br /> <br /> ===Servo circuits===<br /> Servo circuits are essential for a Transformer to remain standing. Without them, Transformers collapse as if paralyzed.<br /> <br /> Among [[Rattrap]]'s bag of tricks was a key-sized device which could disrupt another Transformer's servo circuits and disable [[transformation]]. The device worked only at ''extremely'' close range and appeared to be single-use, as Rattrap threw it away afterward. {{storylink|Double Jeopardy|Double Jeopardy}}<br /> <br /> ===Shielding circuitry===<br /> In order to better disguise themselves on Earth, [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] installed shielding circuitry into the Autobots. These circuits allowed the Autobots to slide a metal sheet over their Autobot [[insignia]]s in [[alternate mode]], hiding them from view. {{storylink|Rock and Roll-Out!}}<br /> <br /> ===Transform circuits===<br /> ''Transform circuits'' or ''transformation circuits'' apparently govern the electronic activation of a Transformer's conversion into any alternate mode(s). Damage to them may make a Transformer unable to initiate a change, or successfully complete one.<br /> <br /> [[Jetfire (G1)|Skyfire]] had his transform circuits damaged by one of [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]]'s powerful kicks. {{storylink|A Plague of Insecticons|A Plague of Insecticons}}<br /> <br /> ===Truth circuits===<br /> Truth circuits measure and assess the accuracy (or possibly credulity) of spoken statements (kinda like Pinocchio's nose, but more high-tech).<br /> <br /> Optimus Primal once refrained from offering [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] the conversational pleasantry &quot;glad to see you&quot; rather than risk burning his own out. {{storylink|Before the Storm|Before the Storm}}<br /> <br /> [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] believed [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] was lying as his [[Cybro polygraph]] was going off, but whether this relates to truth circuits is not known. {{storylink|Traitor|Traitor}}<br /> <br /> ==See also==<br /> *[[Processors]]<br /> *[[Programs]]<br /> *[[Sensors]]<br /> *[[Systems]]<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> &lt;references /&gt;<br /> <br /> [[Category:Transformer anatomy]]</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Slipstream_(Animated)&diff=461166 2010-05-28T23:13:03Z

<p>Aureole: /* tragic past */</p> <hr /> <div>Y'know it just occured to me that the bright blue on her legs and wings is pretty much exactly the blue of G1 Starscream's Pretender shell. Could be a chance thing but especially on the legs it really recalls that toy to me. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 17:14, 29 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::I have gone over the Screamer clones so many times it is giving me a headache, but I finaly thought that there is not a clone that is the tracherous(spelling) side of him other than the female. She seems to be the closest one, from my point of view anyway. Does anyone else have an idea?[[User:HotRodimus|HotRodimus]] 02:44, 13 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Yes I have! I think she's supposed to represent sadism in a non-sexual way. It's pretty much known that sadism is not a trait defined by 'explicit actions' to call it that way - it's an overall joy in hurting others and causing physical or mental harm to living beings and Slipstream does seem to feel very comfortable with cursing, verbally attacking and hurting others for no particular reason (she intended to shoot Starscream out of the air by mere noticing him [which turned out a mistake anyway]). Sadism is also something one would most likely not want to think about in regard to Starscream and it's maybe not too appropriate for a childrens show, so they just didn't mention it with words. Who knows, maybe there even IS a sexual note to it. would be one more reason to just call her the girl you 'better not ask' about. --[[User:Aureole|Aureole]] 12:14, 15 May 2010 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Rimmer theme captions ==<br /> <br /> I think a good option to continue the theme would be something like the &quot;What the hell, I just won't tell her&quot; from Rimmerworld, or one of the ones from Terrorform. If anyone agrees, can I upload an image with such a caption?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 09:53, 30 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :There's also She-Rimmer from ''Parallel Universe''... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:12, 30 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> ==Pretender Starscream==<br /> <br /> At one point I'd added in that her teal lower and grey upper legs, and really the placement of all the grey above, very much echo Starscream's Pretender shell. Someone deleted that with out giving a reason, but it's true, it's relevant, and it's a close as G2 Ramjet is really. I feel like it should be there as an observation at least. (Pretender Screamer is really all I can think of when I look at her pic in that section.) Objections? --[[Special:Contributions/71.235.142.128|71.235.142.128]] 02:09, 6 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> :If she was meant to be the shell, she'd have the shell's layout. But she doesn't. She wouldn't have a mainly purple torso, and she'd have brown gauntlets and a brown helmet. The note does not say &quot;based on G2 Ramjet&quot;, its says &quot;shares predominant colors with but everything's laid out completely differently&quot;, and explained in-depth to note that it is likely NOT supposed to be G2 Ramjet. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:33, 6 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::I guess I just don't see the difference between saying &quot;She's got colors like G1 Ramjet but not the layout, it's probably a coincidence.&quot; and saying &quot;She's got several of the colors AND some of the layout of Starscream's Shell but it'a probably a coincidence&quot;. I just think that if the likeness to one is close enough to rate a mention so is the other. --[[Special:Contributions/71.235.142.128|71.235.142.128]] 02:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Part of the difference is that you're the first person to say &quot;Pretender shell&quot;, where almost five seconds after she appeared, the intarwebs-at-large declared her (erroneously) to be G2 Ramjet. Listing EVERY theory anyone ever had would quickly fill up space for not good reason (like the theory that Dion got turned into Huffer). --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:42, 6 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::&quot;The intarwebs-at-large said she was G2 Ramjet&quot;? I saw more &quot;Dirge&quot; speculation (stirred up by the Dubai spoilers) than G2 Ramjet speculation. [[User:Galvanisation|Galvanisation]] 02:45, 7 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == tragic past ==<br /> <br /> i think she'd consider her past tragic, coming from Starscream and all. Maybe a little comment on that? [[User:Mr. Magorium|Not Steve]][[User Talk:Mr. Magorium|&lt;sup&gt;complain here&lt;/sup&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Mr. Magorium|&lt;sub&gt;The Big Book&lt;/sub&gt;]] 19:25, 31 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Maybe? She hates him, but she hates pretty much anybody I guess --[[User:Aureole|Aureole]] 19:13, 28 May 2010 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Spoiler in the Edit History D:==<br /> <br /> Is there any way to get rid of that spoiler I stupidly stuck into my edit comment? I can't believe I suffered such a brain-fart D: [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] 11:13, 5 April 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Can we just call her Mega?==<br /> She hasn't technically been named anywhere, but since that's who her colours are based on... {{unsigned|76.71.8.91|22:49, 17 May 2009}}<br /> :No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:03, 17 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :: I think there is a reason to not naming her mega nor naming the [[Ramjet (Animated)|Liar Starscream]] Ramjet. It's the trademark; if Hasbro makes the toy, but they don't get the rights to the name &quot;Mega&quot;, they will have to give her other name. Then, we have to wait and see. {{unsigned|186.9.15.58|00:01, 18 May 2009}}<br /> :::Apparently, she's going to be named in a reference book (the &quot;AllSpark Almanac&quot;, was it?) - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 09:34, 18 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Derik? ==<br /> <br /> Source for &quot;Slipstream&quot;? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:54, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I dunbno. Some guy, I think he said his name was &quot;Anonymous.&quot;<br /> :(Via the toyline pannel, a redirect instead of a move would be me expressing due caution with an unvetted source.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:59, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::Yeah, live feed of the BotCon Hasbro panel coming in over at TFW2005 confirms Slipstream. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:08, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::Ja, I got it via 4Chan, but there were enough other people postign there that I figured it'd have been nix'd if the report was a prank. Nice of McFeely to confirm, it means we can move it now. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:10, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Sexism?==<br /> &quot;nagging harpy&quot; &quot;bitch&quot; &quot;tart&quot; Does this wiki really want to endorse these slurs? The articles on Jazz and Blaster don't use racial slurs.<br /> :...She ''is'' a bitch. That's her entire character. Unless you wish us to use the gender-neutral term of &quot;unpleasant individual&quot;. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:10, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::I think it's a valid complaint. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 23:18, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::Yeah it's a valid complaint, but I agree with Interrobang on this one. Oh, we could get rid of every use of the word slag as an insult because it means whore in slang for the UK. We could use much worse language as well to describe her too. If you want opinions from the people who might see it as sexist, we should get the female users to give their voice.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 23:26, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::::We're not using &quot;slag&quot; to refer to female characters as &quot;whores,&quot; so your comparison is not apt. Also, one doesn't have to be a woman to dislike seeing the use of sexist slurs. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 23:34, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::::Please define &quot;sexist slur&quot;. We are not using &quot;bitch&quot; as a substitute of &quot;female&quot;. We are using it by the definition of &quot;unpleasant female&quot;, ''which is what this character is''. Unless you want us to remove all and any indications of gender and sex in Transformers characters. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:05, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::::::Whilst slightly incredulous that I would need to actually ''explain'' this, okay: Calling a woman a bitch is using a sexist slur, whether she's unpleasant or not. The word means female ''dog'' and thus applying it to female ''person'' is dehumanizing. When it comes to an &quot;unpleasant woman,&quot; it is the ''unpleasantness'' that is the thing she is to be criticized for, ''not'' her gender. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:23, 31 May 2009 (EDT) <br /> :::::::Dehumanizing? Oh no, you wouldn't want the person you're INSULTING to feel bad! But that can't be the problem, as then you turn around and complain that it isn't gender neutral. Exactly what insults are acceptable? I should point out that I'm a jerk, and I therefore find the Sentinel Prime page highly offensive, can you get to work on sanitizing that while you're at it? - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 00:31, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::::::::You'll note that I didn't propose &quot;sanitizing&quot; anything. In fact, I didn't even address the specific use of &quot;bitch&quot; in the caption on this page. I was just responding, in a general sense, to the apparent question as to why bitch would be considered a sexist slur. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:38, 31 May 2009 (EDT) <br /> :::::::You are conflating etymology with definition. It is true that people used the word because it meant &quot;female dog&quot;. That is no longer the case and the word's primary meaning is now &quot;unpleasant woman&quot;. Nobody is criticizing the fictional character's gender. That is silly and I think most realize this without needing this explained to them. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:45, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::::::::Yes, the word's primary meaning is now a gendered insult, which is why it is often considered to be a sexist slur. At any rate, turning away from generalities and back to this specific article: The use of &quot;bitch&quot; in the main imagine caption could arguably be considered acceptable, in that given the context it can be read as the character herself embracing the term, rather than being insulted with it. However, as the original commenter noted, &quot;bitch&quot; appearing on the same page with &quot;nagging harpy&quot; and &quot;tart&quot; ''does'' lend an aura of sexism to the article. The &quot;nagging hapry&quot; bit, at least, should be removed. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:02, 31 May 2009 (EDT) <br /> ::::::::::We should totally change [[Skywarp (Animated)|Skywarp's]] page so that it has lots of jokes about him being a negro. Negro totally just means black, right? It's spanish! It's hilarious, because being Black Starscream is his primary character trait. That wacky Skywarp, what a hilarious negro. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 01:25, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :Am I the only one that doesn't get the &quot;tarts&quot; caption? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:49, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::I think it may be a Red Dwarf quote. There was an idea of having that as a theme running through the clones' pages for some reason. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 23:51, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::Right, that's from the Red Dwarf episode &quot;Parallel Universe&quot;, where Lister and Rimmer met their female alternates from another universe. The caption was one of the female Rimmer's lines. --[[User:Professor Icepick|Professor Icepick]] 23:55, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::If it's on a clone page and it's not funny, it's probably from Red Dwarf. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:56, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Ironically here, the original question totally misses the context of the word &quot;bitch&quot; as it appears in the caption -- it's being claimed as an affirmative, in the way that insults are often commandeered by the recipients and repurposed as expressions of solidarity. See also: &quot;nigger&quot;, &quot;dyke&quot;, the list goes on and on. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:52, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The problem with all of these terms is that the deduce the recipient's eentire identity to a single element-- their gender. &quot;You are a cunt, you are a tart, you are a twat, you are a bitch...&quot; they all translate to- &quot;you are a female, and not in your place.&quot;<br /> :Reducing ANY character to their gender is cemeaning, it means they have no value beyond their gender, and it's their 100% most importand definign facet, dwarfing any other accomplishments, goals, dreams etc etc etc. Sexism is BAD because it reduces people to simply male or female.<br /> :If this was Arcee's article I would not approove of this. Hell, if it was Blackarachnia's article I wouldn't approve of this-- and she's a classic &quot;vamp&quot; negative female stereotype. But this is a character who for months and multiple fiction appearances was known as &quot;Female Starscream.&quot; And she is, in-canon, &quot;Starscream's feminine side.&quot; She is Starscream + Female. her femaleness is all that distinguishes her from him, like like Liar Starscream's pathological prevarication is all that distinguishes him from Statrscream.<br /> :I'm still not a FAN of this... but Slipstream is one of the few characters where you might actually have grounds to ''justify'' it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:34, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Anybody who sees Slipstream as nothing more than &quot;female Starscream&quot; wasn't paying attention. She's smart, competent, witty, sarcastic, intelligent, quick witted... -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 01:49, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::And so is Starscream, some times. Arguably, she's just Starscream MINUS his male ego.<br /> :::But the original question was-- &quot;is this sexist?&quot; My answer is &quot;normally yes, but female Starscream is a character who IS mantextually defined by her gender.&quot;<br /> :::Mind you, i still think it's icky... Any of the 3 image captions is fine on it's own... but lumped all together they form an unfortuanate pattern--<br /> :::#Empowered woman identified a threatening and negative figure<br /> :::#Joke about reducing empowered woman to animal level so that she can no longer dominate men<br /> :::#Joke that reduces her to a barbie doll.<br /> :::The last one, especially, is innocent-- the 'X is the new Y' is so common that it's been shorn from its original fashion roots, but when grouped with the other two it becomes part of an unfortunate pattern that locks it back into that context-- in a lot of ways the fashoin-obsessed female 'accusation' places an empowered female into a dis-empowering context-box. She becomes silly, and easily disregarded, and has no authority because hwo can you take someone with 35 pairs of shoes seriously?<br /> :::It's a totally '''unintentional''' pattern, but it's there. And it's icky. And it sends messages we don't want to send.<br /> :::Ditch the Red Dwarf quote. It's what really sets a negative tone. (I also feel like there's dissonance, where it's difficult to fit to the character somehow, so it sits awkwardly... but that might just be because I haven't seen the Red Dwarf episode in question.)<br /> :::(Ditch the trivia quote too, we can come up with ''something'' better, this is almost random.)<br /> :::keep the first quote. Bitch or no, it's her claiming power for herself, and it's the only one that really feels like her personality. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:28, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::::The Red Dwarf quote we have now doesn't really work anyway, so go ahead and remove it, but I personally really liked the Red Dwarf theme across the clone articles. Could we maybe use another quote from Rimmerworld or the parallel dimension episode?? On the other hand, I can't actually see how the Red Dwarf quote is making fun of women at all. To be honest, the quote isn't even ''directed'' at her - it's the female Rimmer making fun of the two Listers for being irresponsible. Calling it a &quot;disempowering&quot; quote is actually kind of nonsensical, as the whole point of that episode is that it's a universe where ''males'' were disenfranchised. For the last joke; I honestly didn't get any implication about shoes from that. Honestly, I didn't see an implication of ''anything'' from it - it seemed like it was commenting on her being a redeco, or something? I don't know. But I wouldn't argue against it being removed. The first caption, while the most fitting, is pretty much the only one that seems to imply anything negative. I would like to say, though, that at least as far as I've recognized in my life, &quot;bitch&quot; is relatively gender neutral, and basically just means someone who is constantly complaining or criticizing (i.e., bitching). I know my friends and me call each other it all the time, and they're very definitely not women.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 05:38, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::::Bitch as a verb may be gender-neutral, but I'd argue that bitch as an insult isn't. When the word bitch is used to describe males, it has a feminizing or emasculating effect, disturbingly close to some gay slurs I'd rather not go into. {{unsigned|24.192.196.242}}<br /> <br /> :::::Oh, one of the Starscreams is in a parallel dimension. Where male Starscreams can get pregnant apparently. This causes a misunderstanding. Hilarity ensues! If you want advice from someone who hasn't seen the show, unless you are a Red Dwarf fanboy, ripping those quotes completely out of context makes no sense and is unfunny. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 07:44, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::Maybe:<br /> <br /> Arlene:: In my bunk? On my sheets, using my springs. What could possibly have made you contemplate making love to yourself?<br /> Rimmer: Well, why break a habit of a lifetime?<br /> <br /> :Does this all mean we have to change the second and fourth captions on [[Laserbeak (G1)]]? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:15, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::I'm entirely comfortable killing the Red Dwarf running gag - it never really felt right across the Starscream clones. I got it, but it just didn't really jive. (Also, not to Chat Room this bitch up (oho) but I always figured Slipstream was the embodiment of either Starscream's competency or his opportunism. Guess I should ask Derrick.) [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 07:22, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> '''FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!''' When the hell did this place become a haven for the overly sensitive take offence at anything whiny pc oxegen thieves? It's not sexist, it's a joke, grow the '''HELL''' up. It's not a valid concern that this article is promoting sexism, it's you being ridiculous.[[User:Eire]] 13.28 May 31 09 (UTC)<br /> : '''Hooper's Law:''' The only people who piss and moan about &quot;political correctness&quot; are the ones who are mad that it's no longer okay to tell Dumb Polack jokes. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 08:43, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Sense it was a wiki dedicated to a franchise meant for '''KIDS.''' {{unsigned|24.192.196.242}}<br /> <br /> :It became one back when everyone started whining over the [[accents]] article, sadly.<br /> :And nah, I just piss and moan about PCness because most of the time people are whining when there wasn't any maliciousness actually intended. I mean, I ''am'' female, and I wasn't offended by the jokes being complained about on this page (especially since she ''is'' a bitch and seems to revel in that fact).<br /> :Now, when we start seeing people being actually hateful about something, ''then'' it's worth getting one's knickers in a knot. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 09:01, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::Not all members of the offended group have to take offense for something to be offensive. {{unsigned|24.192.196.242}}<br /> :::No, but getting offended over something being sexist when it's not does get rather silly. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:31, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::::Bitch, nagging harpy, and tart are sexist words. [[Special:Contributions/24.192.196.242|24.192.196.242]] 14:26, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::::Which accurately describe how the character acts. I mean, if it was Arcee being called any of those things, you'd have a case for sexism, because that character doesn't act that way.<br /> :::::But if you can suggest gender-neutral words that convey the same sets of personality traits, I'd be behind you in using those instead. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:41, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::It was hardly &quot;whining&quot; to point out the past-borderline racism and/or intellectual emptiness in the assertion that Blu Mankuma speaks with an &quot;African accent.&quot; --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 09:56, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::Yeah, because that's so much more racist and intellectually empty than pointing out that Perceptor has a British accent, Ironhide has a Southern accent, etc. Heck, we say in the Jet Twins' article that they speak with a Russian accent; doesn't that thus imply all Russians speak with broken English or something by your logic? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 10:42, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::::To be precise: it was racist to say &quot;Tigatron has an African accent&quot; because Tigatron's voice is just Blu Mankuma's normal speaking voice, and Blu Mankuma ''is an American who speaks perfect American English while happening to be black.'' He sure as hell doesn't sound like Kofi Annan. &lt;--Thy <br /> ::::It's &quot;racist and intellectually empty&quot; because Africa is a damn HUGE place that doesn't even have anything resembling a single accent. It's like talking about a &quot;European accent&quot; to talk about everywhere from Scotland to Turkey, or an &quot;American [continent] accent&quot; to talk about everywhere from Canada to Argentina.<br /> ::::And, yeah, I have a problem with not specifying in the other cases you use as well. There's certainly no such thing as a generic &quot;British accent&quot;, since (even without hearing the G1 cartoon) I'm damn sure that there's no conceivable way that Perceptor's voice could sound like it could come from any one of London, Birmingham, Leeds, Glasgow, Aberdeen, Cardiff or Belfast (to pick but a few cities) without being able to distinguish a general area. As a result, it's not just lazy, but actually ''inaccurate''. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 12:17, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::::Actually, there ''is'' a &quot;generic British accent&quot;, so to speak, in the form of Received Pronunciation, just like the &quot;generic American accent&quot; is close to Midwestern American.<br /> ::::::RP is, if anything, the most specific accent of all - being as it is limited to a few thousand actors and other speakers who took extended elocution lessons, since there is no geographic accent that sounds like it. As a result, you very rarely hear an RP accent on the telly any more (whereas at one point it was so essential to get on the Beeb that it was referred to as the &quot;BBC accent&quot;, it's now an active detriment as the BBC tries to use people with accents from around the country so as to be not to be seen as London-specific. The accent most associated with London these days is [[Wikipedia:Estuary English|&quot;Estuary English&quot;]], for the record), and when you do it tends to be someone with an otherwise-distinctive voice like Tom Baker. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 13:12, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::::::'K, next time one of my friends talks about a &quot;Northeastern&quot; or &quot;Southern&quot; accent or somesuch, I'll be sure to get annoyed and call them racist because they couldn't idenfify precisely what state and/or region it was from. *shrug* --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:31, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::But in any case, I actually will agree with &quot;inaccurate&quot;. But it's not racist to be inaccurate, it's just... inaccurate to be inaccurate. And saying someone has a certain type of accent isn't racist. Just like saying someone's a bitch/harpy/tart/whatever isn't sexist if they actually act like that, rather than being called that solely because they're female. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:44, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::I still stand by the fact that, despite being a member the supposedly maligned party here, I find getting uptight about this whole matter to be silly. When someone makes a comment implying that Slipstream acts like a bitch ''because'' that's expected of a female counterpart, or something similar, ''then'' it's worth getting upset about. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 10:42, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::How 'bout &quot;You say &quot;evil&quot; like it's a ''bad'' thing!&quot; ?<br /> :I would say 1) No, because it's not at all funny; 2) No, because evil=bad by definition, so it's nonsensical as well.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 01:52, 1 June 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::While real criminals often have some kind of justification, its common for cartoon characters to revel in their villainy. This sounds like something Slipstream would say.<br /> :...what the hell are you babbling about? &quot;Reveling in their villainy&quot; would still have &quot;evil != bad&quot; be a contradiction, and Slipstream has never, ever said anything even approaching that, or anything with that kind of attitude.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 02:27, 1 June 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Edit War: its on. Political Correctness or death! {{unsigned|24.192.196.242|02:44, 1 June 2009}}<br /> :I don't like edit wars very much. I like people who announce their intent to continue an edit war even less. Be better behaved in a week.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&lt;sup&gt;Talk&lt;/sup&gt;]] 03:08, 1 June 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::Would this be an acceptable Red Dwarf quote? It's about all I can find that would fit at all.<br /> <br /> :Arlene:: In my bunk? On my sheets, using my springs. What could possibly have made you contemplate making love to yourself?<br /> :Rimmer: Well, why break a habit of a lifetime? <br /> <br /> It would be much clearer that it's not aimed ''at'' her, since the implication is that Starscream himself is the one massaging his own ego by creating the clones. Would that be suitably PC and also contextual enough for everyone? Because seeing as the whole bit of the Red Dwarf theme is to be making fun of the character because of their facet...there's not really a whole lot of ways we could use it without delving into misogyny. Though for that matter, I think we'd be hard pressed to find such quotes in Red Dwarf anyway.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 05:53, 1 June 2009 (EDT)<br /> :I don't think we need more Red Dwarf quotes. If anything, I think we need less.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&lt;sup&gt;Talk&lt;/sup&gt;]] 10:53, 1 June 2009 (EDT)</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Slipstream_(Animated)&diff=457128 2010-05-15T16:14:26Z

<p>Aureole: </p> <hr /> <div>Y'know it just occured to me that the bright blue on her legs and wings is pretty much exactly the blue of G1 Starscream's Pretender shell. Could be a chance thing but especially on the legs it really recalls that toy to me. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 17:14, 29 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::I have gone over the Screamer clones so many times it is giving me a headache, but I finaly thought that there is not a clone that is the tracherous(spelling) side of him other than the female. She seems to be the closest one, from my point of view anyway. Does anyone else have an idea?[[User:HotRodimus|HotRodimus]] 02:44, 13 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Yes I have! I think she's supposed to represent sadism in a non-sexual way. It's pretty much known that sadism is not a trait defined by 'explicit actions' to call it that way - it's an overall joy in hurting others and causing physical or mental harm to living beings and Slipstream does seem to feel very comfortable with cursing, verbally attacking and hurting others for no particular reason (she intended to shoot Starscream out of the air by mere noticing him [which turned out a mistake anyway]). Sadism is also something one would most likely not want to think about in regard to Starscream and it's maybe not too appropriate for a childrens show, so they just didn't mention it with words. Who knows, maybe there even IS a sexual note to it. would be one more reason to just call her the girl you 'better not ask' about. --[[User:Aureole|Aureole]] 12:14, 15 May 2010 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Rimmer theme captions ==<br /> <br /> I think a good option to continue the theme would be something like the &quot;What the hell, I just won't tell her&quot; from Rimmerworld, or one of the ones from Terrorform. If anyone agrees, can I upload an image with such a caption?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 09:53, 30 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :There's also She-Rimmer from ''Parallel Universe''... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:12, 30 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> ==Pretender Starscream==<br /> <br /> At one point I'd added in that her teal lower and grey upper legs, and really the placement of all the grey above, very much echo Starscream's Pretender shell. Someone deleted that with out giving a reason, but it's true, it's relevant, and it's a close as G2 Ramjet is really. I feel like it should be there as an observation at least. (Pretender Screamer is really all I can think of when I look at her pic in that section.) Objections? --[[Special:Contributions/71.235.142.128|71.235.142.128]] 02:09, 6 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> :If she was meant to be the shell, she'd have the shell's layout. But she doesn't. She wouldn't have a mainly purple torso, and she'd have brown gauntlets and a brown helmet. The note does not say &quot;based on G2 Ramjet&quot;, its says &quot;shares predominant colors with but everything's laid out completely differently&quot;, and explained in-depth to note that it is likely NOT supposed to be G2 Ramjet. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:33, 6 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::I guess I just don't see the difference between saying &quot;She's got colors like G1 Ramjet but not the layout, it's probably a coincidence.&quot; and saying &quot;She's got several of the colors AND some of the layout of Starscream's Shell but it'a probably a coincidence&quot;. I just think that if the likeness to one is close enough to rate a mention so is the other. --[[Special:Contributions/71.235.142.128|71.235.142.128]] 02:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Part of the difference is that you're the first person to say &quot;Pretender shell&quot;, where almost five seconds after she appeared, the intarwebs-at-large declared her (erroneously) to be G2 Ramjet. Listing EVERY theory anyone ever had would quickly fill up space for not good reason (like the theory that Dion got turned into Huffer). --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:42, 6 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::&quot;The intarwebs-at-large said she was G2 Ramjet&quot;? I saw more &quot;Dirge&quot; speculation (stirred up by the Dubai spoilers) than G2 Ramjet speculation. [[User:Galvanisation|Galvanisation]] 02:45, 7 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == tragic past ==<br /> <br /> i think she'd consider her past tragic, coming from Starscream and all. Maybe a little comment on that? [[User:Mr. Magorium|Not Steve]][[User Talk:Mr. Magorium|&lt;sup&gt;complain here&lt;/sup&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Mr. Magorium|&lt;sub&gt;The Big Book&lt;/sub&gt;]] 19:25, 31 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> ==Spoiler in the Edit History D:==<br /> <br /> Is there any way to get rid of that spoiler I stupidly stuck into my edit comment? I can't believe I suffered such a brain-fart D: [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] 11:13, 5 April 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Can we just call her Mega?==<br /> She hasn't technically been named anywhere, but since that's who her colours are based on... {{unsigned|76.71.8.91|22:49, 17 May 2009}}<br /> :No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:03, 17 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :: I think there is a reason to not naming her mega nor naming the [[Ramjet (Animated)|Liar Starscream]] Ramjet. It's the trademark; if Hasbro makes the toy, but they don't get the rights to the name &quot;Mega&quot;, they will have to give her other name. Then, we have to wait and see. {{unsigned|186.9.15.58|00:01, 18 May 2009}}<br /> :::Apparently, she's going to be named in a reference book (the &quot;AllSpark Almanac&quot;, was it?) - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 09:34, 18 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Derik? ==<br /> <br /> Source for &quot;Slipstream&quot;? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:54, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I dunbno. Some guy, I think he said his name was &quot;Anonymous.&quot;<br /> :(Via the toyline pannel, a redirect instead of a move would be me expressing due caution with an unvetted source.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:59, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::Yeah, live feed of the BotCon Hasbro panel coming in over at TFW2005 confirms Slipstream. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:08, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::Ja, I got it via 4Chan, but there were enough other people postign there that I figured it'd have been nix'd if the report was a prank. Nice of McFeely to confirm, it means we can move it now. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:10, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Sexism?==<br /> &quot;nagging harpy&quot; &quot;bitch&quot; &quot;tart&quot; Does this wiki really want to endorse these slurs? The articles on Jazz and Blaster don't use racial slurs.<br /> :...She ''is'' a bitch. That's her entire character. Unless you wish us to use the gender-neutral term of &quot;unpleasant individual&quot;. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:10, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::I think it's a valid complaint. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 23:18, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::Yeah it's a valid complaint, but I agree with Interrobang on this one. Oh, we could get rid of every use of the word slag as an insult because it means whore in slang for the UK. We could use much worse language as well to describe her too. If you want opinions from the people who might see it as sexist, we should get the female users to give their voice.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 23:26, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::::We're not using &quot;slag&quot; to refer to female characters as &quot;whores,&quot; so your comparison is not apt. Also, one doesn't have to be a woman to dislike seeing the use of sexist slurs. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 23:34, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::::Please define &quot;sexist slur&quot;. We are not using &quot;bitch&quot; as a substitute of &quot;female&quot;. We are using it by the definition of &quot;unpleasant female&quot;, ''which is what this character is''. Unless you want us to remove all and any indications of gender and sex in Transformers characters. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:05, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::::::Whilst slightly incredulous that I would need to actually ''explain'' this, okay: Calling a woman a bitch is using a sexist slur, whether she's unpleasant or not. The word means female ''dog'' and thus applying it to female ''person'' is dehumanizing. When it comes to an &quot;unpleasant woman,&quot; it is the ''unpleasantness'' that is the thing she is to be criticized for, ''not'' her gender. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:23, 31 May 2009 (EDT) <br /> :::::::Dehumanizing? Oh no, you wouldn't want the person you're INSULTING to feel bad! But that can't be the problem, as then you turn around and complain that it isn't gender neutral. Exactly what insults are acceptable? I should point out that I'm a jerk, and I therefore find the Sentinel Prime page highly offensive, can you get to work on sanitizing that while you're at it? - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 00:31, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::::::::You'll note that I didn't propose &quot;sanitizing&quot; anything. In fact, I didn't even address the specific use of &quot;bitch&quot; in the caption on this page. I was just responding, in a general sense, to the apparent question as to why bitch would be considered a sexist slur. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:38, 31 May 2009 (EDT) <br /> :::::::You are conflating etymology with definition. It is true that people used the word because it meant &quot;female dog&quot;. That is no longer the case and the word's primary meaning is now &quot;unpleasant woman&quot;. Nobody is criticizing the fictional character's gender. That is silly and I think most realize this without needing this explained to them. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:45, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::::::::Yes, the word's primary meaning is now a gendered insult, which is why it is often considered to be a sexist slur. At any rate, turning away from generalities and back to this specific article: The use of &quot;bitch&quot; in the main imagine caption could arguably be considered acceptable, in that given the context it can be read as the character herself embracing the term, rather than being insulted with it. However, as the original commenter noted, &quot;bitch&quot; appearing on the same page with &quot;nagging harpy&quot; and &quot;tart&quot; ''does'' lend an aura of sexism to the article. The &quot;nagging hapry&quot; bit, at least, should be removed. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:02, 31 May 2009 (EDT) <br /> ::::::::::We should totally change [[Skywarp (Animated)|Skywarp's]] page so that it has lots of jokes about him being a negro. Negro totally just means black, right? It's spanish! It's hilarious, because being Black Starscream is his primary character trait. That wacky Skywarp, what a hilarious negro. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 01:25, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :Am I the only one that doesn't get the &quot;tarts&quot; caption? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:49, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::I think it may be a Red Dwarf quote. There was an idea of having that as a theme running through the clones' pages for some reason. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 23:51, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::Right, that's from the Red Dwarf episode &quot;Parallel Universe&quot;, where Lister and Rimmer met their female alternates from another universe. The caption was one of the female Rimmer's lines. --[[User:Professor Icepick|Professor Icepick]] 23:55, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::If it's on a clone page and it's not funny, it's probably from Red Dwarf. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:56, 30 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Ironically here, the original question totally misses the context of the word &quot;bitch&quot; as it appears in the caption -- it's being claimed as an affirmative, in the way that insults are often commandeered by the recipients and repurposed as expressions of solidarity. See also: &quot;nigger&quot;, &quot;dyke&quot;, the list goes on and on. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:52, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The problem with all of these terms is that the deduce the recipient's eentire identity to a single element-- their gender. &quot;You are a cunt, you are a tart, you are a twat, you are a bitch...&quot; they all translate to- &quot;you are a female, and not in your place.&quot;<br /> :Reducing ANY character to their gender is cemeaning, it means they have no value beyond their gender, and it's their 100% most importand definign facet, dwarfing any other accomplishments, goals, dreams etc etc etc. Sexism is BAD because it reduces people to simply male or female.<br /> :If this was Arcee's article I would not approove of this. Hell, if it was Blackarachnia's article I wouldn't approve of this-- and she's a classic &quot;vamp&quot; negative female stereotype. But this is a character who for months and multiple fiction appearances was known as &quot;Female Starscream.&quot; And she is, in-canon, &quot;Starscream's feminine side.&quot; She is Starscream + Female. her femaleness is all that distinguishes her from him, like like Liar Starscream's pathological prevarication is all that distinguishes him from Statrscream.<br /> :I'm still not a FAN of this... but Slipstream is one of the few characters where you might actually have grounds to ''justify'' it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:34, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Anybody who sees Slipstream as nothing more than &quot;female Starscream&quot; wasn't paying attention. She's smart, competent, witty, sarcastic, intelligent, quick witted... -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 01:49, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::And so is Starscream, some times. Arguably, she's just Starscream MINUS his male ego.<br /> :::But the original question was-- &quot;is this sexist?&quot; My answer is &quot;normally yes, but female Starscream is a character who IS mantextually defined by her gender.&quot;<br /> :::Mind you, i still think it's icky... Any of the 3 image captions is fine on it's own... but lumped all together they form an unfortuanate pattern--<br /> :::#Empowered woman identified a threatening and negative figure<br /> :::#Joke about reducing empowered woman to animal level so that she can no longer dominate men<br /> :::#Joke that reduces her to a barbie doll.<br /> :::The last one, especially, is innocent-- the 'X is the new Y' is so common that it's been shorn from its original fashion roots, but when grouped with the other two it becomes part of an unfortunate pattern that locks it back into that context-- in a lot of ways the fashoin-obsessed female 'accusation' places an empowered female into a dis-empowering context-box. She becomes silly, and easily disregarded, and has no authority because hwo can you take someone with 35 pairs of shoes seriously?<br /> :::It's a totally '''unintentional''' pattern, but it's there. And it's icky. And it sends messages we don't want to send.<br /> :::Ditch the Red Dwarf quote. It's what really sets a negative tone. (I also feel like there's dissonance, where it's difficult to fit to the character somehow, so it sits awkwardly... but that might just be because I haven't seen the Red Dwarf episode in question.)<br /> :::(Ditch the trivia quote too, we can come up with ''something'' better, this is almost random.)<br /> :::keep the first quote. Bitch or no, it's her claiming power for herself, and it's the only one that really feels like her personality. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:28, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::::The Red Dwarf quote we have now doesn't really work anyway, so go ahead and remove it, but I personally really liked the Red Dwarf theme across the clone articles. Could we maybe use another quote from Rimmerworld or the parallel dimension episode?? On the other hand, I can't actually see how the Red Dwarf quote is making fun of women at all. To be honest, the quote isn't even ''directed'' at her - it's the female Rimmer making fun of the two Listers for being irresponsible. Calling it a &quot;disempowering&quot; quote is actually kind of nonsensical, as the whole point of that episode is that it's a universe where ''males'' were disenfranchised. For the last joke; I honestly didn't get any implication about shoes from that. Honestly, I didn't see an implication of ''anything'' from it - it seemed like it was commenting on her being a redeco, or something? I don't know. But I wouldn't argue against it being removed. The first caption, while the most fitting, is pretty much the only one that seems to imply anything negative. I would like to say, though, that at least as far as I've recognized in my life, &quot;bitch&quot; is relatively gender neutral, and basically just means someone who is constantly complaining or criticizing (i.e., bitching). I know my friends and me call each other it all the time, and they're very definitely not women.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 05:38, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::::Bitch as a verb may be gender-neutral, but I'd argue that bitch as an insult isn't. When the word bitch is used to describe males, it has a feminizing or emasculating effect, disturbingly close to some gay slurs I'd rather not go into. {{unsigned|24.192.196.242}}<br /> <br /> :::::Oh, one of the Starscreams is in a parallel dimension. Where male Starscreams can get pregnant apparently. This causes a misunderstanding. Hilarity ensues! If you want advice from someone who hasn't seen the show, unless you are a Red Dwarf fanboy, ripping those quotes completely out of context makes no sense and is unfunny. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 07:44, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::Maybe:<br /> <br /> Arlene:: In my bunk? On my sheets, using my springs. What could possibly have made you contemplate making love to yourself?<br /> Rimmer: Well, why break a habit of a lifetime?<br /> <br /> :Does this all mean we have to change the second and fourth captions on [[Laserbeak (G1)]]? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:15, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::I'm entirely comfortable killing the Red Dwarf running gag - it never really felt right across the Starscream clones. I got it, but it just didn't really jive. (Also, not to Chat Room this bitch up (oho) but I always figured Slipstream was the embodiment of either Starscream's competency or his opportunism. Guess I should ask Derrick.) [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 07:22, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> '''FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!''' When the hell did this place become a haven for the overly sensitive take offence at anything whiny pc oxegen thieves? It's not sexist, it's a joke, grow the '''HELL''' up. It's not a valid concern that this article is promoting sexism, it's you being ridiculous.[[User:Eire]] 13.28 May 31 09 (UTC)<br /> : '''Hooper's Law:''' The only people who piss and moan about &quot;political correctness&quot; are the ones who are mad that it's no longer okay to tell Dumb Polack jokes. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 08:43, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Sense it was a wiki dedicated to a franchise meant for '''KIDS.''' {{unsigned|24.192.196.242}}<br /> <br /> :It became one back when everyone started whining over the [[accents]] article, sadly.<br /> :And nah, I just piss and moan about PCness because most of the time people are whining when there wasn't any maliciousness actually intended. I mean, I ''am'' female, and I wasn't offended by the jokes being complained about on this page (especially since she ''is'' a bitch and seems to revel in that fact).<br /> :Now, when we start seeing people being actually hateful about something, ''then'' it's worth getting one's knickers in a knot. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 09:01, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::Not all members of the offended group have to take offense for something to be offensive. {{unsigned|24.192.196.242}}<br /> :::No, but getting offended over something being sexist when it's not does get rather silly. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:31, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::::Bitch, nagging harpy, and tart are sexist words. [[Special:Contributions/24.192.196.242|24.192.196.242]] 14:26, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::::Which accurately describe how the character acts. I mean, if it was Arcee being called any of those things, you'd have a case for sexism, because that character doesn't act that way.<br /> :::::But if you can suggest gender-neutral words that convey the same sets of personality traits, I'd be behind you in using those instead. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:41, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::It was hardly &quot;whining&quot; to point out the past-borderline racism and/or intellectual emptiness in the assertion that Blu Mankuma speaks with an &quot;African accent.&quot; --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 09:56, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::Yeah, because that's so much more racist and intellectually empty than pointing out that Perceptor has a British accent, Ironhide has a Southern accent, etc. Heck, we say in the Jet Twins' article that they speak with a Russian accent; doesn't that thus imply all Russians speak with broken English or something by your logic? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 10:42, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::::To be precise: it was racist to say &quot;Tigatron has an African accent&quot; because Tigatron's voice is just Blu Mankuma's normal speaking voice, and Blu Mankuma ''is an American who speaks perfect American English while happening to be black.'' He sure as hell doesn't sound like Kofi Annan. &lt;--Thy <br /> ::::It's &quot;racist and intellectually empty&quot; because Africa is a damn HUGE place that doesn't even have anything resembling a single accent. It's like talking about a &quot;European accent&quot; to talk about everywhere from Scotland to Turkey, or an &quot;American [continent] accent&quot; to talk about everywhere from Canada to Argentina.<br /> ::::And, yeah, I have a problem with not specifying in the other cases you use as well. There's certainly no such thing as a generic &quot;British accent&quot;, since (even without hearing the G1 cartoon) I'm damn sure that there's no conceivable way that Perceptor's voice could sound like it could come from any one of London, Birmingham, Leeds, Glasgow, Aberdeen, Cardiff or Belfast (to pick but a few cities) without being able to distinguish a general area. As a result, it's not just lazy, but actually ''inaccurate''. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 12:17, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::::Actually, there ''is'' a &quot;generic British accent&quot;, so to speak, in the form of Received Pronunciation, just like the &quot;generic American accent&quot; is close to Midwestern American.<br /> ::::::RP is, if anything, the most specific accent of all - being as it is limited to a few thousand actors and other speakers who took extended elocution lessons, since there is no geographic accent that sounds like it. As a result, you very rarely hear an RP accent on the telly any more (whereas at one point it was so essential to get on the Beeb that it was referred to as the &quot;BBC accent&quot;, it's now an active detriment as the BBC tries to use people with accents from around the country so as to be not to be seen as London-specific. The accent most associated with London these days is [[Wikipedia:Estuary English|&quot;Estuary English&quot;]], for the record), and when you do it tends to be someone with an otherwise-distinctive voice like Tom Baker. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 13:12, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::::::'K, next time one of my friends talks about a &quot;Northeastern&quot; or &quot;Southern&quot; accent or somesuch, I'll be sure to get annoyed and call them racist because they couldn't idenfify precisely what state and/or region it was from. *shrug* --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:31, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::But in any case, I actually will agree with &quot;inaccurate&quot;. But it's not racist to be inaccurate, it's just... inaccurate to be inaccurate. And saying someone has a certain type of accent isn't racist. Just like saying someone's a bitch/harpy/tart/whatever isn't sexist if they actually act like that, rather than being called that solely because they're female. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:44, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::I still stand by the fact that, despite being a member the supposedly maligned party here, I find getting uptight about this whole matter to be silly. When someone makes a comment implying that Slipstream acts like a bitch ''because'' that's expected of a female counterpart, or something similar, ''then'' it's worth getting upset about. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 10:42, 31 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::How 'bout &quot;You say &quot;evil&quot; like it's a ''bad'' thing!&quot; ?<br /> :I would say 1) No, because it's not at all funny; 2) No, because evil=bad by definition, so it's nonsensical as well.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 01:52, 1 June 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::While real criminals often have some kind of justification, its common for cartoon characters to revel in their villainy. This sounds like something Slipstream would say.<br /> :...what the hell are you babbling about? &quot;Reveling in their villainy&quot; would still have &quot;evil != bad&quot; be a contradiction, and Slipstream has never, ever said anything even approaching that, or anything with that kind of attitude.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 02:27, 1 June 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Edit War: its on. Political Correctness or death! {{unsigned|24.192.196.242|02:44, 1 June 2009}}<br /> :I don't like edit wars very much. I like people who announce their intent to continue an edit war even less. Be better behaved in a week.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&lt;sup&gt;Talk&lt;/sup&gt;]] 03:08, 1 June 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::Would this be an acceptable Red Dwarf quote? It's about all I can find that would fit at all.<br /> <br /> :Arlene:: In my bunk? On my sheets, using my springs. What could possibly have made you contemplate making love to yourself?<br /> :Rimmer: Well, why break a habit of a lifetime? <br /> <br /> It would be much clearer that it's not aimed ''at'' her, since the implication is that Starscream himself is the one massaging his own ego by creating the clones. Would that be suitably PC and also contextual enough for everyone? Because seeing as the whole bit of the Red Dwarf theme is to be making fun of the character because of their facet...there's not really a whole lot of ways we could use it without delving into misogyny. Though for that matter, I think we'd be hard pressed to find such quotes in Red Dwarf anyway.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 05:53, 1 June 2009 (EDT)<br /> :I don't think we need more Red Dwarf quotes. If anything, I think we need less.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&lt;sup&gt;Talk&lt;/sup&gt;]] 10:53, 1 June 2009 (EDT)</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Religion&diff=445253 2010-04-06T17:24:14Z

<p>Aureole: </p> <hr /> <div>As in human cultures, in many continuities the Transformers have possessed religion to help them explain and cope with their place in the universe. There are various [[god |gods]] and religious figures the Transformers are known to believe in. In continuities where they exist, Transformer spiritual and religious beliefs are usually specifically illustrated to be truth rather than legend or superstition.<br /> <br /> The [[Covenant of Primus]] is a compilation of prophecies that can be regarded as the Transformers bible.<br /> <br /> == Generation 1 cartoon==<br /> In the original Generation 1 Cartoon, despite their witnessing supernatural occurrences such as [[magic]] and [[ghosts]] on a number of occasions without any apparent amazement or surprise there is little direct evidence for general Transformer spiritual or religious beliefs. [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] recommends praying before battle, but does not specify to whom. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness}}<br /> <br /> It is known that the spirits of [[Prime (rank)|Autobot leaders]] past dwell within the [[Matrix of Leadership]] even after their deaths, but the mechanism of this is unknown. A living Autobot leader can journey within the Matrix to commune with them and receive visions of the past. (Rodimus needed to be near death to achieve this, but Optimus could instigate it at will.) It is unknown how spiritual or how mechanical this whole process is.<br /> <br /> The best, if not only, other evidence we have comes from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' with the apparent prophecy that &quot;one day an Autobot shall rise from our ranks, and use the power of the Matrix to light our [[darkest hour]]&quot; and the repetition, prayer-like, of the phrase &quot;[['Til all are one]].&quot;<br /> <br /> <br /> == Marvel Comics continuity ==<br /> [[Image:Primus original.jpg|right|125px|thumb|No resemblance to Hot Rod whatsoever, no siree, no foreshadowing here!]]<br /> This is where the concept of Transformer religion and spiritual beliefs really took form and spread. Nearly all subsequent uses of Transformer religion derive from the foundation laid in these stories. <br /> <br /> === Primary beliefs ===<br /> The story of the gods [[Primus]] and [[Unicron]] went through several iterations as they were retold by different speakers over the course of the US and UK comic run. The most distinct difference across these revisions was the fading out of their respective pantheons. When first told, by Unicron, Primus and Unicron were each merely part of a whole pantheon of other light and dark gods respectively. In the next version, by the [[Keeper (Transformer)|Keeper]], they were the last of their pantheons, the others already having been destroyed or passed on to the [[Omniversal Matrix]]. Finally, in the version told by Primus, they were each unique beings with the existence of other gods ignored or refuted. This final version is the most frequently borrowed by later material. (The [[BotCon]] &quot;Reaching the Omega Point&quot; story being the notable exception, see below.)<br /> <br /> One legend surrounding Primus is that of the [[Last Autobot]], Primus' final guardian who would come after the god's passing and the defeat of Unicron.<br /> {{-}}<br /> === Sacred artifacts ===<br /> [[Image:Creation Matrix 65.jpg|left|150px|thumb|This is the strangest Pokeball I've ever seen.]]<br /> The [[Creation Matrix]] is the living essence of Primus' life force and considered a sacred artifact. The bearer of it is gifted with the power to create new Transformer life. Each Matrix bearer, known as a Prime, takes a derivation of the name Primus as part of his own. Five have existed: [[Prima]], [[Prime Nova]], [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]], Optimus Prime, and Rodimus Prime. Though its existence was well known, the manifest physical nature of the Matrix was not, thus it was ignored by Shockwave when he captured Optimus and, following his death, was launched into space with Optimus' body by his fellow Autobots.<br /> <br /> [[Image:Matrixflame.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Noooooo! Someone blew the candle out!]]<br /> The [[Matrix Flame]] on Cybertron is set in a golden brazier on a green altar, and tended by a red tabard clad acolyte. It is the living embodiment of the sacred Creation Matrix. Its status indicates that of the Matrix and its bearer.<br /> <br /> Several scriptural texts were recorded in the [[Covenant of Primus]], believed to be prophetic. Only two copies existed.<br /> <br /> {{-}}<br /> <br /> === Believers ===<br /> After millennia of war, many Transformers regarded Primus and Unicron as mere legends or disregarded them entirely. On hearing the name Primus spoken Bumblebee claims to have almost forgotten the Transformers ever had a God. Even when confronted with a giant head at the center of their planet Grimlock does not at first accept the myth of Primus and Unicron as true.<br /> <br /> On the other hand, Emirate Xaaron appears to have believed, and Optimus Prime, likely due to his being Prime, was quick to accept Primus and Unicron. Interestingly, though he is bearer of Primus's life force, Optimus was not one to unthinkingly and zealously follow his god, harboring, at times, serious misgivings and distrust about the use to which Primus was putting his children.<br /> <br /> There were likely still some number of true believers, even prior to Primus' reemergence, as the tender of the Matrix Flame and the purple cloaked monk-like elders who aid Prime in the Generation 2 comics attest.<br /> <br /> ==Reaching the Omega Point==<br /> The only other Transformer God, aside from Primus and Unicron, to appear in any story shows up here: The [[Chronarchitect]]. He is presumably of Primus' pantheon (see Marvel Comics above) given his alliance. He is the god of time.<br /> <br /> ==Beast Wars/Machines==<br /> <br /> The Transformers have a belief in &quot;the Matrix&quot;, where the sparks of the dead go and exist together. It would turn out this is an actual dimension, the [[Allspark]], where all sparks that exist, have existed, or ever will exist originate, existing as a collective whole.<br /> <br /> ==Unicron Trilogy==<br /> While exploring Cybertron's interior [[Brian Jones (Energon)|Dr. Brian Jones]] was transported to an long-abandoned temple where offerings of [[Energon (Energon)|energon]] had been left for the legendary &quot;[[Omega Supreme (Energon)|guardian of energon]]&quot; who had protected Cybertron long before the current generation of Transformers was created. Prior to witnessing [[Ancient Guardian]]'s reactivation, Jones believed these stories were just myths. {{storylink|Crash Course}} ''The Japanese version of this episode describes the Energon offerings as happening 'tens of thousands of years ago.'''<br /> <br /> == The multiversal mythos ==<br /> Beginning around the time of ''[[Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'', a new version of the Primus/Unicron story began to take shape. This new mythos was most notable for its multiversal nature: it applied not just to the new [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]] but also to the new iterations of Generation 1 being created by [[Dreamwave Productions]] and to the multiversal ''[[Beast Machines (franchise)|Beast Machines]]'' spin-off [[Universe (2003 franchise)|Transformers: Universe]]. In fact, by its very nature the new Multiversal Mythos attempted to apply itself to everything, even retroactively to past continuity where it was often a not-so-easy fit.<br /> <br /> The basics of this new version of the myth are that both Primus and Unicron were created by &quot;The One,&quot; an original God-being, and sent out into the universe as emissaries/explorers. Unicron goes bad and Primus must stop him. For some unexplained reason Primus exists in all possible continuities simultaneously (picture a single string stretching through many rooms) and his destruction in any one of them would destroy all creation, while Unicron, on the other hand, exists in only one Universe at a time ever. There are no &quot;alternate reality&quot; multiversal versions of Unicron, he's just one single God who leaps between universes (picture a ball of yarn thrown from room to room).<br /> <br /> Needless to say this is a tricky bit of [[Retcon|retconning]] that is hard to mesh with the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|original cartoon]] (where there was no Primus and Unicron was only a robot made by [[Primacron]]) or the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel Comics]] where Primus is stated to have died and the multiverse doesn't implode.<br /> <br /> == Alternate beliefs ==<br /> ===Cult of Unicron===<br /> [[Image:Acolyte of unicron.jpg|right|75px|thumb|Trick or Treat?]]<br /> Some Transformers have willingly (or unwillingly) come to serve the dark god Unicron. The [[The Fallen|Fallen]] was the first of these.<br /> <br /> In the Marvel Comic, before their long sleep Unicron was able to bury a powerful compulsion in the minds of a number of Transformers causing them to form a secret cult of Unicron, which attempted to slay Optimus Prime upon his being named the leader of Primus' forces.<br /> <br /> ===Decepticon religion?===<br /> The Decepticon myth of the [[Ultimate Warrior]] appears to be a corruption of the [[Last Autobot]] story. In the Marvel Comic the mystically inclined Decepticon [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] dedicated his life to the &quot;teachings&quot; of the Ultimate Warrior, a path that may be taken as a possible alternate Cybertronian religion. <br /> <br /> In Dreamwave's second ''[[The War Within]]'' miniseries Bludgeon and other like-minded Decepticon mystics are shown to commune with and worship &quot;dark&quot; mystical forces in attempt to gain power.<br /> <br /> The Japanese Generation 1 series present two characters that might also factor in to a Decepticon religion. [[Devil Z]] is described alternately as 'the god of the Destrons' and a guardian angel who's looked after/been worshiped by them. After Devil Z's destruction a new supernatural being arises to lead the Decepticons: [[Violen Jiger]]. A demon-like being said to be born from many angry Decepticon sparks, V.J. possessed the supernatural ability to raise the dead.<br /> <br /> It has also been speculated that [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] took his name from a verse from the Covenant of Primus.<br /> <br /> ===Xal===<br /> <br /> [[Cybertronian (faction)|The Cybertronian Imperial]] [[Mindset]], in a moment of great fear, screamed &quot;Great [[Xal]] protect me!&quot;. {{storylink|Swarm (issue)|Swarm}} The nature of Xal is unknown, though the Cybertronians appear familiar with the concept of Primus which indicates Xal is a separate entity. <br /> <br /> ===[[Atechnogenesis]]===<br /> [[Image:Wellofallsparks.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Em..., I think I need a stiff drink now.]]<br /> [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] is often portrayed as being a Transformer atheist due to his scientific worldview. In IDW's comic series he swears by [[Primacron]] rather than Primus. (Although what that implies about said continuity beyond being a cute in-joke is unknown. [[Scoop (G1)|Scoop]] swears by him later on in the same issue.)<br /> <br /> <br /> [[Category:Religion| ]]</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Religion&diff=444501 2010-04-04T23:18:00Z

<p>Aureole: </p> <hr /> <div>As in human cultures, in many continuities the Transformers have possessed religion to help them explain and cope with their place in the universe. In continuities where they exist, Transformer spiritual and religious beliefs are usually specifically illustrated to be truth rather than legend or superstition.<br /> <br /> The [[Covenant of Primus]] is a compilation of prophecies that can be regarded as the Transformers bible.<br /> <br /> == Generation 1 cartoon==<br /> In the original Generation 1 Cartoon, despite their witnessing supernatural occurrences such as [[magic]] and [[ghosts]] on a number of occasions without any apparent amazement or surprise there is little direct evidence for general Transformer spiritual or religious beliefs. [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] recommends praying before battle, but does not specify to whom. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness}}<br /> <br /> It is known that the spirits of [[Prime (rank)|Autobot leaders]] past dwell within the [[Matrix of Leadership]] even after their deaths, but the mechanism of this is unknown. A living Autobot leader can journey within the Matrix to commune with them and receive visions of the past. (Rodimus needed to be near death to achieve this, but Optimus could instigate it at will.) It is unknown how spiritual or how mechanical this whole process is.<br /> <br /> The best, if not only, other evidence we have comes from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' with the apparent prophecy that &quot;one day an Autobot shall rise from our ranks, and use the power of the Matrix to light our [[darkest hour]]&quot; and the repetition, prayer-like, of the phrase &quot;[['Til all are one]].&quot;<br /> <br /> <br /> == Marvel Comics continuity ==<br /> [[Image:Primus original.jpg|right|125px|thumb|No resemblance to Hot Rod whatsoever, no siree, no foreshadowing here!]]<br /> This is where the concept of Transformer religion and spiritual beliefs really took form and spread. Nearly all subsequent uses of Transformer religion derive from the foundation laid in these stories. <br /> <br /> === Primary beliefs ===<br /> The story of the gods [[Primus]] and [[Unicron]] went through several iterations as they were retold by different speakers over the course of the US and UK comic run. The most distinct difference across these revisions was the fading out of their respective pantheons. When first told, by Unicron, Primus and Unicron were each merely part of a whole pantheon of other light and dark gods respectively. In the next version, by the [[Keeper (Transformer)|Keeper]], they were the last of their pantheons, the others already having been destroyed or passed on to the [[Omniversal Matrix]]. Finally, in the version told by Primus, they were each unique beings with the existence of other gods ignored or refuted. This final version is the most frequently borrowed by later material. (The [[BotCon]] &quot;Reaching the Omega Point&quot; story being the notable exception, see below.)<br /> <br /> One legend surrounding Primus is that of the [[Last Autobot]], Primus' final guardian who would come after the god's passing and the defeat of Unicron.<br /> {{-}}<br /> === Sacred artifacts ===<br /> [[Image:Creation Matrix 65.jpg|left|150px|thumb|This is the strangest Pokeball I've ever seen.]]<br /> The [[Creation Matrix]] is the living essence of Primus' life force and considered a sacred artifact. The bearer of it is gifted with the power to create new Transformer life. Each Matrix bearer, known as a Prime, takes a derivation of the name Primus as part of his own. Five have existed: [[Prima]], [[Prime Nova]], [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]], Optimus Prime, and Rodimus Prime. Though its existence was well known, the manifest physical nature of the Matrix was not, thus it was ignored by Shockwave when he captured Optimus and, following his death, was launched into space with Optimus' body by his fellow Autobots.<br /> <br /> [[Image:Matrixflame.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Noooooo! Someone blew the candle out!]]<br /> The [[Matrix Flame]] on Cybertron is set in a golden brazier on a green altar, and tended by a red tabard clad acolyte. It is the living embodiment of the sacred Creation Matrix. Its status indicates that of the Matrix and its bearer.<br /> <br /> Several scriptural texts were recorded in the [[Covenant of Primus]], believed to be prophetic. Only two copies existed.<br /> <br /> {{-}}<br /> <br /> === Believers ===<br /> After millennia of war, many Transformers regarded Primus and Unicron as mere legends or disregarded them entirely. On hearing the name Primus spoken Bumblebee claims to have almost forgotten the Transformers ever had a God. Even when confronted with a giant head at the center of their planet Grimlock does not at first accept the myth of Primus and Unicron as true.<br /> <br /> On the other hand, Emirate Xaaron appears to have believed, and Optimus Prime, likely due to his being Prime, was quick to accept Primus and Unicron. Interestingly, though he is bearer of Primus's life force, Optimus was not one to unthinkingly and zealously follow his god, harboring, at times, serious misgivings and distrust about the use to which Primus was putting his children.<br /> <br /> There were likely still some number of true believers, even prior to Primus' reemergence, as the tender of the Matrix Flame and the purple cloaked monk-like elders who aid Prime in the Generation 2 comics attest.<br /> <br /> ==Reaching the Omega Point==<br /> The only other Transformer God, aside from Primus and Unicron, to appear in any story shows up here: The [[Chronarchitect]]. He is presumably of Primus' pantheon (see Marvel Comics above) given his alliance. He is the god of time.<br /> <br /> ==Beast Wars/Machines==<br /> <br /> The Transformers have a belief in &quot;the Matrix&quot;, where the sparks of the dead go and exist together. It would turn out this is an actual dimension, the [[Allspark]], where all sparks that exist, have existed, or ever will exist originate, existing as a collective whole.<br /> <br /> ==Unicron Trilogy==<br /> While exploring Cybertron's interior [[Brian Jones (Energon)|Dr. Brian Jones]] was transported to an long-abandoned temple where offerings of [[Energon (Energon)|energon]] had been left for the legendary &quot;[[Omega Supreme (Energon)|guardian of energon]]&quot; who had protected Cybertron long before the current generation of Transformers was created. Prior to witnessing [[Ancient Guardian]]'s reactivation, Jones believed these stories were just myths. {{storylink|Crash Course}} ''The Japanese version of this episode describes the Energon offerings as happening 'tens of thousands of years ago.'''<br /> <br /> == The multiversal mythos ==<br /> Beginning around the time of ''[[Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'', a new version of the Primus/Unicron story began to take shape. This new mythos was most notable for its multiversal nature: it applied not just to the new [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]] but also to the new iterations of Generation 1 being created by [[Dreamwave Productions]] and to the multiversal ''[[Beast Machines (franchise)|Beast Machines]]'' spin-off [[Universe (2003 franchise)|Transformers: Universe]]. In fact, by its very nature the new Multiversal Mythos attempted to apply itself to everything, even retroactively to past continuity where it was often a not-so-easy fit.<br /> <br /> The basics of this new version of the myth are that both Primus and Unicron were created by &quot;The One,&quot; an original God-being, and sent out into the universe as emissaries/explorers. Unicron goes bad and Primus must stop him. For some unexplained reason Primus exists in all possible continuities simultaneously (picture a single string stretching through many rooms) and his destruction in any one of them would destroy all creation, while Unicron, on the other hand, exists in only one Universe at a time ever. There are no &quot;alternate reality&quot; multiversal versions of Unicron, he's just one single God who leaps between universes (picture a ball of yarn thrown from room to room).<br /> <br /> Needless to say this is a tricky bit of [[Retcon|retconning]] that is hard to mesh with the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|original cartoon]] (where there was no Primus and Unicron was only a robot made by [[Primacron]]) or the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel Comics]] where Primus is stated to have died and the multiverse doesn't implode.<br /> <br /> == Alternate beliefs ==<br /> ===Cult of Unicron===<br /> [[Image:Acolyte of unicron.jpg|right|75px|thumb|Trick or Treat?]]<br /> Some Transformers have willingly (or unwillingly) come to serve the dark god Unicron. The [[The Fallen|Fallen]] was the first of these.<br /> <br /> In the Marvel Comic, before their long sleep Unicron was able to bury a powerful compulsion in the minds of a number of Transformers causing them to form a secret cult of Unicron, which attempted to slay Optimus Prime upon his being named the leader of Primus' forces.<br /> <br /> ===Decepticon religion?===<br /> The Decepticon myth of the [[Ultimate Warrior]] appears to be a corruption of the [[Last Autobot]] story. In the Marvel Comic the mystically inclined Decepticon [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] dedicated his life to the &quot;teachings&quot; of the Ultimate Warrior, a path that may be taken as a possible alternate Cybertronian religion. <br /> <br /> In Dreamwave's second ''[[The War Within]]'' miniseries Bludgeon and other like-minded Decepticon mystics are shown to commune with and worship &quot;dark&quot; mystical forces in attempt to gain power.<br /> <br /> The Japanese Generation 1 series present two characters that might also factor in to a Decepticon religion. [[Devil Z]] is described alternately as 'the god of the Destrons' and a guardian angel who's looked after/been worshiped by them. After Devil Z's destruction a new supernatural being arises to lead the Decepticons: [[Violen Jiger]]. A demon-like being said to be born from many angry Decepticon sparks, V.J. possessed the supernatural ability to raise the dead.<br /> <br /> It has also been speculated that [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] took his name from a verse from the Covenant of Primus.<br /> <br /> ===Xal===<br /> <br /> [[Cybertronian (faction)|The Cybertronian Imperial]] [[Mindset]], in a moment of great fear, screamed &quot;Great [[Xal]] protect me!&quot;. {{storylink|Swarm (issue)|Swarm}} The nature of Xal is unknown, though the Cybertronians appear familiar with the concept of Primus which indicates Xal is a separate entity. <br /> <br /> ===[[Atechnogenesis]]===<br /> [[Image:Wellofallsparks.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Em..., I think I need a stiff drink now.]]<br /> [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] is often portrayed as being a Transformer atheist due to his scientific worldview. In IDW's comic series he swears by [[Primacron]] rather than Primus. (Although what that implies about said continuity beyond being a cute in-joke is unknown. [[Scoop (G1)|Scoop]] swears by him later on in the same issue.)<br /> <br /> <br /> [[Category:Religion| ]]</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Religion&diff=444500 2010-04-04T23:17:38Z

<p>Aureole: /* Beast Wars/Machines */</p> <hr /> <div>As in human cultures, in many continuities the Transformers have possessed religion to help them explain and cope with their place in the universe. In continuities where they exist, Transformer spiritual and religious beliefs are usually specifically illustrated to be truth rather than legend or superstition.<br /> <br /> == Generation 1 cartoon==<br /> In the original Generation 1 Cartoon, despite their witnessing supernatural occurrences such as [[magic]] and [[ghosts]] on a number of occasions without any apparent amazement or surprise there is little direct evidence for general Transformer spiritual or religious beliefs. [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] recommends praying before battle, but does not specify to whom. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness}}<br /> <br /> It is known that the spirits of [[Prime (rank)|Autobot leaders]] past dwell within the [[Matrix of Leadership]] even after their deaths, but the mechanism of this is unknown. A living Autobot leader can journey within the Matrix to commune with them and receive visions of the past. (Rodimus needed to be near death to achieve this, but Optimus could instigate it at will.) It is unknown how spiritual or how mechanical this whole process is.<br /> <br /> The best, if not only, other evidence we have comes from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' with the apparent prophecy that &quot;one day an Autobot shall rise from our ranks, and use the power of the Matrix to light our [[darkest hour]]&quot; and the repetition, prayer-like, of the phrase &quot;[['Til all are one]].&quot;<br /> <br /> <br /> == Marvel Comics continuity ==<br /> [[Image:Primus original.jpg|right|125px|thumb|No resemblance to Hot Rod whatsoever, no siree, no foreshadowing here!]]<br /> This is where the concept of Transformer religion and spiritual beliefs really took form and spread. Nearly all subsequent uses of Transformer religion derive from the foundation laid in these stories. <br /> <br /> === Primary beliefs ===<br /> The story of the gods [[Primus]] and [[Unicron]] went through several iterations as they were retold by different speakers over the course of the US and UK comic run. The most distinct difference across these revisions was the fading out of their respective pantheons. When first told, by Unicron, Primus and Unicron were each merely part of a whole pantheon of other light and dark gods respectively. In the next version, by the [[Keeper (Transformer)|Keeper]], they were the last of their pantheons, the others already having been destroyed or passed on to the [[Omniversal Matrix]]. Finally, in the version told by Primus, they were each unique beings with the existence of other gods ignored or refuted. This final version is the most frequently borrowed by later material. (The [[BotCon]] &quot;Reaching the Omega Point&quot; story being the notable exception, see below.)<br /> <br /> One legend surrounding Primus is that of the [[Last Autobot]], Primus' final guardian who would come after the god's passing and the defeat of Unicron.<br /> {{-}}<br /> === Sacred artifacts ===<br /> [[Image:Creation Matrix 65.jpg|left|150px|thumb|This is the strangest Pokeball I've ever seen.]]<br /> The [[Creation Matrix]] is the living essence of Primus' life force and considered a sacred artifact. The bearer of it is gifted with the power to create new Transformer life. Each Matrix bearer, known as a Prime, takes a derivation of the name Primus as part of his own. Five have existed: [[Prima]], [[Prime Nova]], [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]], Optimus Prime, and Rodimus Prime. Though its existence was well known, the manifest physical nature of the Matrix was not, thus it was ignored by Shockwave when he captured Optimus and, following his death, was launched into space with Optimus' body by his fellow Autobots.<br /> <br /> [[Image:Matrixflame.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Noooooo! Someone blew the candle out!]]<br /> The [[Matrix Flame]] on Cybertron is set in a golden brazier on a green altar, and tended by a red tabard clad acolyte. It is the living embodiment of the sacred Creation Matrix. Its status indicates that of the Matrix and its bearer.<br /> <br /> Several scriptural texts were recorded in the [[Covenant of Primus]], believed to be prophetic. Only two copies existed.<br /> <br /> {{-}}<br /> <br /> === Believers ===<br /> After millennia of war, many Transformers regarded Primus and Unicron as mere legends or disregarded them entirely. On hearing the name Primus spoken Bumblebee claims to have almost forgotten the Transformers ever had a God. Even when confronted with a giant head at the center of their planet Grimlock does not at first accept the myth of Primus and Unicron as true.<br /> <br /> On the other hand, Emirate Xaaron appears to have believed, and Optimus Prime, likely due to his being Prime, was quick to accept Primus and Unicron. Interestingly, though he is bearer of Primus's life force, Optimus was not one to unthinkingly and zealously follow his god, harboring, at times, serious misgivings and distrust about the use to which Primus was putting his children.<br /> <br /> There were likely still some number of true believers, even prior to Primus' reemergence, as the tender of the Matrix Flame and the purple cloaked monk-like elders who aid Prime in the Generation 2 comics attest.<br /> <br /> ==Reaching the Omega Point==<br /> The only other Transformer God, aside from Primus and Unicron, to appear in any story shows up here: The [[Chronarchitect]]. He is presumably of Primus' pantheon (see Marvel Comics above) given his alliance. He is the god of time.<br /> <br /> ==Beast Wars/Machines==<br /> <br /> The Transformers have a belief in &quot;the Matrix&quot;, where the sparks of the dead go and exist together. It would turn out this is an actual dimension, the [[Allspark]], where all sparks that exist, have existed, or ever will exist originate, existing as a collective whole.<br /> <br /> ==Unicron Trilogy==<br /> While exploring Cybertron's interior [[Brian Jones (Energon)|Dr. Brian Jones]] was transported to an long-abandoned temple where offerings of [[Energon (Energon)|energon]] had been left for the legendary &quot;[[Omega Supreme (Energon)|guardian of energon]]&quot; who had protected Cybertron long before the current generation of Transformers was created. Prior to witnessing [[Ancient Guardian]]'s reactivation, Jones believed these stories were just myths. {{storylink|Crash Course}} ''The Japanese version of this episode describes the Energon offerings as happening 'tens of thousands of years ago.'''<br /> <br /> == The multiversal mythos ==<br /> Beginning around the time of ''[[Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'', a new version of the Primus/Unicron story began to take shape. This new mythos was most notable for its multiversal nature: it applied not just to the new [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]] but also to the new iterations of Generation 1 being created by [[Dreamwave Productions]] and to the multiversal ''[[Beast Machines (franchise)|Beast Machines]]'' spin-off [[Universe (2003 franchise)|Transformers: Universe]]. In fact, by its very nature the new Multiversal Mythos attempted to apply itself to everything, even retroactively to past continuity where it was often a not-so-easy fit.<br /> <br /> The basics of this new version of the myth are that both Primus and Unicron were created by &quot;The One,&quot; an original God-being, and sent out into the universe as emissaries/explorers. Unicron goes bad and Primus must stop him. For some unexplained reason Primus exists in all possible continuities simultaneously (picture a single string stretching through many rooms) and his destruction in any one of them would destroy all creation, while Unicron, on the other hand, exists in only one Universe at a time ever. There are no &quot;alternate reality&quot; multiversal versions of Unicron, he's just one single God who leaps between universes (picture a ball of yarn thrown from room to room).<br /> <br /> Needless to say this is a tricky bit of [[Retcon|retconning]] that is hard to mesh with the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|original cartoon]] (where there was no Primus and Unicron was only a robot made by [[Primacron]]) or the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel Comics]] where Primus is stated to have died and the multiverse doesn't implode.<br /> <br /> == Alternate beliefs ==<br /> ===Cult of Unicron===<br /> [[Image:Acolyte of unicron.jpg|right|75px|thumb|Trick or Treat?]]<br /> Some Transformers have willingly (or unwillingly) come to serve the dark god Unicron. The [[The Fallen|Fallen]] was the first of these.<br /> <br /> In the Marvel Comic, before their long sleep Unicron was able to bury a powerful compulsion in the minds of a number of Transformers causing them to form a secret cult of Unicron, which attempted to slay Optimus Prime upon his being named the leader of Primus' forces.<br /> <br /> ===Decepticon religion?===<br /> The Decepticon myth of the [[Ultimate Warrior]] appears to be a corruption of the [[Last Autobot]] story. In the Marvel Comic the mystically inclined Decepticon [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] dedicated his life to the &quot;teachings&quot; of the Ultimate Warrior, a path that may be taken as a possible alternate Cybertronian religion. <br /> <br /> In Dreamwave's second ''[[The War Within]]'' miniseries Bludgeon and other like-minded Decepticon mystics are shown to commune with and worship &quot;dark&quot; mystical forces in attempt to gain power.<br /> <br /> The Japanese Generation 1 series present two characters that might also factor in to a Decepticon religion. [[Devil Z]] is described alternately as 'the god of the Destrons' and a guardian angel who's looked after/been worshiped by them. After Devil Z's destruction a new supernatural being arises to lead the Decepticons: [[Violen Jiger]]. A demon-like being said to be born from many angry Decepticon sparks, V.J. possessed the supernatural ability to raise the dead.<br /> <br /> It has also been speculated that [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] took his name from a verse from the Covenant of Primus.<br /> <br /> ===Xal===<br /> <br /> [[Cybertronian (faction)|The Cybertronian Imperial]] [[Mindset]], in a moment of great fear, screamed &quot;Great [[Xal]] protect me!&quot;. {{storylink|Swarm (issue)|Swarm}} The nature of Xal is unknown, though the Cybertronians appear familiar with the concept of Primus which indicates Xal is a separate entity. <br /> <br /> ===[[Atechnogenesis]]===<br /> [[Image:Wellofallsparks.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Em..., I think I need a stiff drink now.]]<br /> [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] is often portrayed as being a Transformer atheist due to his scientific worldview. In IDW's comic series he swears by [[Primacron]] rather than Primus. (Although what that implies about said continuity beyond being a cute in-joke is unknown. [[Scoop (G1)|Scoop]] swears by him later on in the same issue.)<br /> <br /> <br /> [[Category:Religion| ]]</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Religion&diff=444497 2010-04-04T23:12:01Z

<p>Aureole: /* Beast Wars/Machines */</p> <hr /> <div>As in human cultures, in many continuities the Transformers have possessed religion to help them explain and cope with their place in the universe. In continuities where they exist, Transformer spiritual and religious beliefs are usually specifically illustrated to be truth rather than legend or superstition.<br /> <br /> == Generation 1 cartoon==<br /> In the original Generation 1 Cartoon, despite their witnessing supernatural occurrences such as [[magic]] and [[ghosts]] on a number of occasions without any apparent amazement or surprise there is little direct evidence for general Transformer spiritual or religious beliefs. [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] recommends praying before battle, but does not specify to whom. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness}}<br /> <br /> It is known that the spirits of [[Prime (rank)|Autobot leaders]] past dwell within the [[Matrix of Leadership]] even after their deaths, but the mechanism of this is unknown. A living Autobot leader can journey within the Matrix to commune with them and receive visions of the past. (Rodimus needed to be near death to achieve this, but Optimus could instigate it at will.) It is unknown how spiritual or how mechanical this whole process is.<br /> <br /> The best, if not only, other evidence we have comes from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' with the apparent prophecy that &quot;one day an Autobot shall rise from our ranks, and use the power of the Matrix to light our [[darkest hour]]&quot; and the repetition, prayer-like, of the phrase &quot;[['Til all are one]].&quot;<br /> <br /> <br /> == Marvel Comics continuity ==<br /> [[Image:Primus original.jpg|right|125px|thumb|No resemblance to Hot Rod whatsoever, no siree, no foreshadowing here!]]<br /> This is where the concept of Transformer religion and spiritual beliefs really took form and spread. Nearly all subsequent uses of Transformer religion derive from the foundation laid in these stories. <br /> <br /> === Primary beliefs ===<br /> The story of the gods [[Primus]] and [[Unicron]] went through several iterations as they were retold by different speakers over the course of the US and UK comic run. The most distinct difference across these revisions was the fading out of their respective pantheons. When first told, by Unicron, Primus and Unicron were each merely part of a whole pantheon of other light and dark gods respectively. In the next version, by the [[Keeper (Transformer)|Keeper]], they were the last of their pantheons, the others already having been destroyed or passed on to the [[Omniversal Matrix]]. Finally, in the version told by Primus, they were each unique beings with the existence of other gods ignored or refuted. This final version is the most frequently borrowed by later material. (The [[BotCon]] &quot;Reaching the Omega Point&quot; story being the notable exception, see below.)<br /> <br /> One legend surrounding Primus is that of the [[Last Autobot]], Primus' final guardian who would come after the god's passing and the defeat of Unicron.<br /> {{-}}<br /> === Sacred artifacts ===<br /> [[Image:Creation Matrix 65.jpg|left|150px|thumb|This is the strangest Pokeball I've ever seen.]]<br /> The [[Creation Matrix]] is the living essence of Primus' life force and considered a sacred artifact. The bearer of it is gifted with the power to create new Transformer life. Each Matrix bearer, known as a Prime, takes a derivation of the name Primus as part of his own. Five have existed: [[Prima]], [[Prime Nova]], [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]], Optimus Prime, and Rodimus Prime. Though its existence was well known, the manifest physical nature of the Matrix was not, thus it was ignored by Shockwave when he captured Optimus and, following his death, was launched into space with Optimus' body by his fellow Autobots.<br /> <br /> [[Image:Matrixflame.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Noooooo! Someone blew the candle out!]]<br /> The [[Matrix Flame]] on Cybertron is set in a golden brazier on a green altar, and tended by a red tabard clad acolyte. It is the living embodiment of the sacred Creation Matrix. Its status indicates that of the Matrix and its bearer.<br /> <br /> Several scriptural texts were recorded in the [[Covenant of Primus]], believed to be prophetic. Only two copies existed.<br /> <br /> {{-}}<br /> <br /> === Believers ===<br /> After millennia of war, many Transformers regarded Primus and Unicron as mere legends or disregarded them entirely. On hearing the name Primus spoken Bumblebee claims to have almost forgotten the Transformers ever had a God. Even when confronted with a giant head at the center of their planet Grimlock does not at first accept the myth of Primus and Unicron as true.<br /> <br /> On the other hand, Emirate Xaaron appears to have believed, and Optimus Prime, likely due to his being Prime, was quick to accept Primus and Unicron. Interestingly, though he is bearer of Primus's life force, Optimus was not one to unthinkingly and zealously follow his god, harboring, at times, serious misgivings and distrust about the use to which Primus was putting his children.<br /> <br /> There were likely still some number of true believers, even prior to Primus' reemergence, as the tender of the Matrix Flame and the purple cloaked monk-like elders who aid Prime in the Generation 2 comics attest.<br /> <br /> ==Reaching the Omega Point==<br /> The only other Transformer God, aside from Primus and Unicron, to appear in any story shows up here: The [[Chronarchitect]]. He is presumably of Primus' pantheon (see Marvel Comics above) given his alliance. He is the god of time.<br /> <br /> ==Beast Wars/Machines==<br /> <br /> The Transformers have a belief in &quot;the Matrix&quot;, where the sparks of the dead go and exist together. It would turn out this is an actual dimension, the [[Allspark]], where all sparks that exist, have existed, or ever will exist originate, existing as a collective whole.<br /> <br /> The [[Covenant of Primus]] is a compilation of prophecies that can be regarded as the Transformers bible.<br /> <br /> ==Unicron Trilogy==<br /> While exploring Cybertron's interior [[Brian Jones (Energon)|Dr. Brian Jones]] was transported to an long-abandoned temple where offerings of [[Energon (Energon)|energon]] had been left for the legendary &quot;[[Omega Supreme (Energon)|guardian of energon]]&quot; who had protected Cybertron long before the current generation of Transformers was created. Prior to witnessing [[Ancient Guardian]]'s reactivation, Jones believed these stories were just myths. {{storylink|Crash Course}} ''The Japanese version of this episode describes the Energon offerings as happening 'tens of thousands of years ago.'''<br /> <br /> == The multiversal mythos ==<br /> Beginning around the time of ''[[Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'', a new version of the Primus/Unicron story began to take shape. This new mythos was most notable for its multiversal nature: it applied not just to the new [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]] but also to the new iterations of Generation 1 being created by [[Dreamwave Productions]] and to the multiversal ''[[Beast Machines (franchise)|Beast Machines]]'' spin-off [[Universe (2003 franchise)|Transformers: Universe]]. In fact, by its very nature the new Multiversal Mythos attempted to apply itself to everything, even retroactively to past continuity where it was often a not-so-easy fit.<br /> <br /> The basics of this new version of the myth are that both Primus and Unicron were created by &quot;The One,&quot; an original God-being, and sent out into the universe as emissaries/explorers. Unicron goes bad and Primus must stop him. For some unexplained reason Primus exists in all possible continuities simultaneously (picture a single string stretching through many rooms) and his destruction in any one of them would destroy all creation, while Unicron, on the other hand, exists in only one Universe at a time ever. There are no &quot;alternate reality&quot; multiversal versions of Unicron, he's just one single God who leaps between universes (picture a ball of yarn thrown from room to room).<br /> <br /> Needless to say this is a tricky bit of [[Retcon|retconning]] that is hard to mesh with the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|original cartoon]] (where there was no Primus and Unicron was only a robot made by [[Primacron]]) or the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel Comics]] where Primus is stated to have died and the multiverse doesn't implode.<br /> <br /> == Alternate beliefs ==<br /> ===Cult of Unicron===<br /> [[Image:Acolyte of unicron.jpg|right|75px|thumb|Trick or Treat?]]<br /> Some Transformers have willingly (or unwillingly) come to serve the dark god Unicron. The [[The Fallen|Fallen]] was the first of these.<br /> <br /> In the Marvel Comic, before their long sleep Unicron was able to bury a powerful compulsion in the minds of a number of Transformers causing them to form a secret cult of Unicron, which attempted to slay Optimus Prime upon his being named the leader of Primus' forces.<br /> <br /> ===Decepticon religion?===<br /> The Decepticon myth of the [[Ultimate Warrior]] appears to be a corruption of the [[Last Autobot]] story. In the Marvel Comic the mystically inclined Decepticon [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] dedicated his life to the &quot;teachings&quot; of the Ultimate Warrior, a path that may be taken as a possible alternate Cybertronian religion. <br /> <br /> In Dreamwave's second ''[[The War Within]]'' miniseries Bludgeon and other like-minded Decepticon mystics are shown to commune with and worship &quot;dark&quot; mystical forces in attempt to gain power.<br /> <br /> The Japanese Generation 1 series present two characters that might also factor in to a Decepticon religion. [[Devil Z]] is described alternately as 'the god of the Destrons' and a guardian angel who's looked after/been worshiped by them. After Devil Z's destruction a new supernatural being arises to lead the Decepticons: [[Violen Jiger]]. A demon-like being said to be born from many angry Decepticon sparks, V.J. possessed the supernatural ability to raise the dead.<br /> <br /> It has also been speculated that [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] took his name from a verse from the Covenant of Primus.<br /> <br /> ===Xal===<br /> <br /> [[Cybertronian (faction)|The Cybertronian Imperial]] [[Mindset]], in a moment of great fear, screamed &quot;Great [[Xal]] protect me!&quot;. {{storylink|Swarm (issue)|Swarm}} The nature of Xal is unknown, though the Cybertronians appear familiar with the concept of Primus which indicates Xal is a separate entity. <br /> <br /> ===[[Atechnogenesis]]===<br /> [[Image:Wellofallsparks.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Em..., I think I need a stiff drink now.]]<br /> [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] is often portrayed as being a Transformer atheist due to his scientific worldview. In IDW's comic series he swears by [[Primacron]] rather than Primus. (Although what that implies about said continuity beyond being a cute in-joke is unknown. [[Scoop (G1)|Scoop]] swears by him later on in the same issue.)<br /> <br /> <br /> [[Category:Religion| ]]</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=God&diff=444494 2010-04-04T22:59:13Z

<p>Aureole: /* Possible gods */</p> <hr /> <div>A '''god''' is a being with unexplainable power, or something. There's a bunch of guys who've been considered gods, and some more guys who've tried to amass enough power to join their ranks.<br /> __NOTOC__<br /> &lt;!--Unless the article grow into a certain size some day.--&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Alleged gods==<br /> *[[Primus]]<br /> *[[Unicron]]<br /> *[[Ruler of Time and Space]]<br /> *[[Chronarchitect]]<br /> *[[Thor]]<br /> <br /> ==Attempted gods==<br /> * [[Liege Maximo]]<br /> * [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]<br /> <br /> ==Possible gods==<br /> * [[Xal]]<br /> * [[Devil Z]]<br /> * [[Violen Jiger]]<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> *Some creatures, such as [[Fandom|some humans]], worship the [[Transformer]]s as gods.<br /> **[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] proclaimed that the [[Titan (species)|people]] of [[Titan (moon)|Titan]] &quot;worship Transformers&quot; in &quot;[[The God Gambit]]&quot;.<br /> **People in [[Republic of Karin]] worshiped [[Metalhawk]], an Autobot [[Pretender]], as a god in &quot;[[Gods? Devils? The Pretenders]]&quot;.<br /> <br /> * The English word &quot;god&quot; is commonly used in Japanese to evoke great power in describing mecha, and typically is not meant in a religious sense. Thus, [[Ginrai|God Ginrai]], [[Godbomber]], the [[Godmaster]]s, and [[God Neptune]] should not be confused with actual &quot;gods&quot;.<br /> <br /> ==See also==<br /> * [[Religion]]<br /> <br /> ==External link==<br /> * [[Wikipedia:God|God at Wikipedia]]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Gods| ]]</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Jolt_(Armada)&diff=371123 2009-09-29T18:48:17Z

<p>Aureole: /* Transformers Playstation 2 game */</p> <hr /> <div>{{factions|minicon|autobot}}<br /> {{disambig3|Jolt}}<br /> :''Jolt is a [[Mini-Con]] from the [[Armada (franchise)|Armada]] portion of the [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]].''<br /> <br /> [[Image:Jolt ut.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Windmills do not work that way!]]<br /> '''Jolt''' is [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]]'s [[Mini-Con]] partner. He's kind of a geek.<br /> <br /> ==Fiction==<br /> ===''Armada'' mini-comics===<br /> He has ARTICULATION!<br /> <br /> {{charstubfiction}}<br /> <br /> <br /> ===Animated continuity===<br /> ====''Armada''====<br /> Apparently, he's supposed to be the seldom-heeded voice of reason among the two. Poor, poor guy.<br /> <br /> Jolt joined a group of Mini-Cons in an attempt to get Hot Shot to act more leader-like. {{storylink|Remorse}}<br /> <br /> ===Dreamwave comics continuity===<br /> Instead of a nervous dork, Jolt is a hothead with a hair trigger.<br /> <br /> ===''Transformers'' Playstation 2 game===<br /> Jolt was one of many [[Mini-Con|Mini-Cons]] who crashlanded on Earth when fleeing the war on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. He was trapped inside a Mini-Con-Disc and needed to be saved before the [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] could find him. Once awakened, he agreed to assist the [[Autobot|Autobots]] in their battle against [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] and became [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shots]] Mini-Con partner. You can run him over, but due to gameplay-reasons he actually is invincible. Jolt does not talk, but if attached to Hot Shot, he increases his speed in exchange for [[Energon (fuel)|Energon]]. If his special powers are not needed, he follows his counterpart by foot, defending and assisting him with shots of his lasergun. There is not much of a story to him. {{storylink|Transformers (Melbourne House)}}<br /> <br /> ==Toys==<br /> ===Armada===<br /> * '''Hot Shot w/ Jolt'''<br /> <br /> : Jolt transforms into a red helicopter of an unknown model. He plugs into Hot Shot's butt (ewww) to activate his head cannon gimmick. He can also attach to Hot Shot's spoiler plug in vehicle mode to form the combined flight mode used in Jolt's introduction. The chest/engine piece from Hot Shot can be attached to Jolt's vehicle mode or held as an arm cannon-type weapon, but in both cases does not sit well without support.<br /> <br /> * '''Powerlinx Hot Shot w/ Jolt'''<br /> <br /> : Jolt's and Hot Shot's color schemes were basically reversed with Jolt now in a yellow redeco.<br /> <br /> ===Universe (2008)===<br /> ====Armada Series====<br /> *'''Hot Shot with Jolt''' (2008)<br /> <br /> Jolt's entry into the Universe toyline is a newly engineered mold. While the overall look of the toy is basically the same, the transformation and articularion are different. He has extra paint applications on his tail section, as well as some parts now cast in black plastic for contrast and visual appeal, such as his propeller and upper arms. He now has one Powerlinx socket instead of the original two.<br /> <br /> Jolt can no longer fold in half while attached to Hot Shot, meaning the propeller is pointed up instead of back. Further, while the elbows can now bend, the extra give from the ball joints has been sacrificed for more integrated shoulders which hold the whole figure together, and the knees have been removed completely. There are also some balance issues from his narrower feet and larger back kibble.<br /> <br /> Jolt can attach to Hot Shot's vehicle mode by inserting Jolt's arms/engines into slots in the back of Hot Shot's spoiler. However, the connection does not hold very tight. Jolt can also attach to the Powerlinx peg on the Hot Shot's vehicle mode trunk or robot mode shoulder, but this does not activate any features.<br /> <br /> ==Merchandise==<br /> *'''Hot Rod''' (Mega Super Collection Figure, 2002)<br /> <br /> : A small, non-transforming Jolt based on his cartoon model was included with [[Super Collection Figure|Mega SCF]] Hot Shot.<br /> <br /> *'''Hot Rod''' (Big Transformers, 2002)<br /> <br /> : The [[Kabaya]] &quot;Big Transformers&quot; Hot Shot included a tiny non-transforming vehicle-mode Jolt that can peg onto his shoulder.<br /> <br /> ==External links==<br /> * [http://www.tfu.info/2002/Mini-Con/Jolt/jolt.htm Jolt at TFU.info]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Armada characters]]<br /> [[Category:Mini-Cons]]<br /> [[Category:Universe (2008)]]</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Jolt_(Armada)&diff=371121 2009-09-29T18:42:37Z

<p>Aureole: /* Transformers Playstation 2 game */</p> <hr /> <div>{{factions|minicon|autobot}}<br /> {{disambig3|Jolt}}<br /> :''Jolt is a [[Mini-Con]] from the [[Armada (franchise)|Armada]] portion of the [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]].''<br /> <br /> [[Image:Jolt ut.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Windmills do not work that way!]]<br /> '''Jolt''' is [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]]'s [[Mini-Con]] partner. He's kind of a geek.<br /> <br /> ==Fiction==<br /> ===''Armada'' mini-comics===<br /> He has ARTICULATION!<br /> <br /> {{charstubfiction}}<br /> <br /> <br /> ===Animated continuity===<br /> ====''Armada''====<br /> Apparently, he's supposed to be the seldom-heeded voice of reason among the two. Poor, poor guy.<br /> <br /> Jolt joined a group of Mini-Cons in an attempt to get Hot Shot to act more leader-like. {{storylink|Remorse}}<br /> <br /> ===Dreamwave comics continuity===<br /> Instead of a nervous dork, Jolt is a hothead with a hair trigger.<br /> <br /> ===''Transformers'' Playstation 2 game===<br /> Jolt was one of many [[Mini-Con|Mini-Cons]] who crashlanded on Earth when fleeing the war on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. He was trapped inside a Mini-Con-Disc and needed to be saved before the [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] could find him. Once awakened, he agreed to assist the [[Autobot|Autobots]] in their battle against [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] and became [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shots]] Mini-Con partner. You can run him over, but due to gameplay-reasons he actually is invincible. Jolt does not talk, but if attached to Hot Shot, he increases his speed in exchange for [[Energon (fuel)|Energon]]. If his special powers are not needed, he follows his counterpart by foot, defending and assisting him with shots of his lasergun. There is not much of a story to him.<br /> <br /> ==Toys==<br /> ===Armada===<br /> * '''Hot Shot w/ Jolt'''<br /> <br /> : Jolt transforms into a red helicopter of an unknown model. He plugs into Hot Shot's butt (ewww) to activate his head cannon gimmick. He can also attach to Hot Shot's spoiler plug in vehicle mode to form the combined flight mode used in Jolt's introduction. The chest/engine piece from Hot Shot can be attached to Jolt's vehicle mode or held as an arm cannon-type weapon, but in both cases does not sit well without support.<br /> <br /> * '''Powerlinx Hot Shot w/ Jolt'''<br /> <br /> : Jolt's and Hot Shot's color schemes were basically reversed with Jolt now in a yellow redeco.<br /> <br /> ===Universe (2008)===<br /> ====Armada Series====<br /> *'''Hot Shot with Jolt''' (2008)<br /> <br /> Jolt's entry into the Universe toyline is a newly engineered mold. While the overall look of the toy is basically the same, the transformation and articularion are different. He has extra paint applications on his tail section, as well as some parts now cast in black plastic for contrast and visual appeal, such as his propeller and upper arms. He now has one Powerlinx socket instead of the original two.<br /> <br /> Jolt can no longer fold in half while attached to Hot Shot, meaning the propeller is pointed up instead of back. Further, while the elbows can now bend, the extra give from the ball joints has been sacrificed for more integrated shoulders which hold the whole figure together, and the knees have been removed completely. There are also some balance issues from his narrower feet and larger back kibble.<br /> <br /> Jolt can attach to Hot Shot's vehicle mode by inserting Jolt's arms/engines into slots in the back of Hot Shot's spoiler. However, the connection does not hold very tight. Jolt can also attach to the Powerlinx peg on the Hot Shot's vehicle mode trunk or robot mode shoulder, but this does not activate any features.<br /> <br /> ==Merchandise==<br /> *'''Hot Rod''' (Mega Super Collection Figure, 2002)<br /> <br /> : A small, non-transforming Jolt based on his cartoon model was included with [[Super Collection Figure|Mega SCF]] Hot Shot.<br /> <br /> *'''Hot Rod''' (Big Transformers, 2002)<br /> <br /> : The [[Kabaya]] &quot;Big Transformers&quot; Hot Shot included a tiny non-transforming vehicle-mode Jolt that can peg onto his shoulder.<br /> <br /> ==External links==<br /> * [http://www.tfu.info/2002/Mini-Con/Jolt/jolt.htm Jolt at TFU.info]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Armada characters]]<br /> [[Category:Mini-Cons]]<br /> [[Category:Universe (2008)]]</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Prime_(rank)&diff=369829 2009-09-26T10:34:25Z

<p>Aureole: /* Matrix in IDW */</p> <hr /> <div>==Matrix in IDW==<br /> This article says that the Matrix was passed from Nova Prime to Sentinel Prime. Does the Matrix exist in IDW? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 04:18, 21 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> ==Hierarchy?==<br /> There are so many titles given to Autobots and Decepticons that it's become hard to understand who commands who. It would be nice, if there were an article with pictures to clear it up. I never read the comics, so I can't do that myself, but maybe somebody else knows more about it? --[[User:Aureole|Aureole]] 06:34, 26 September 2009 (EDT)</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Prime_(disambiguation)&diff=369826 2009-09-26T10:20:55Z

<p>Aureole: /* What it is not */</p> <hr /> <div>The name '''Prime''' can refer to a Matrixload of different things.<br /> <br /> ==Transformer component==<br /> * [[Roller|Prime]] is a little-used term for [[Generation 1]] [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime's]] cart-sized drone usually known as '''Roller'''.<br /> <br /> ==Rank==<br /> The rank [[Prime (rank)|Prime]], held by many characters, generally bearers of the [[Matrix of Leadership]].<br /> <br /> ;'''Matrix bearers'''<br /> <br /> * [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime]], a name that has been applied to many different characters who have a tendency to carry the [[Matrix of Leadership]].<br /> <br /> * [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]], the form taken by Hot Rod when he gets the Matrix in most of the Generation 1 continuities.<br /> <br /> * [[Prime Nova]], a past Matrix bearer first mentioned in the Generation 1 [[Marvel]] comics.<br /> <br /> * [[Nova Prime]], his more grammatically correct counterpart who abandoned the Matrix for the [[Darkness (G1)|Darkness]] in the [[IDW]] comic continuity.<br /> <br /> * [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]], another past Matrix-bearer established by more or less every publisher of Generation 1 comics.<br /> <br /> * [[Alpha Prime]], yet ''another'' past Matrix-bearer, this time apparently exclusive to [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] Generation 1 comics.<br /> <br /> * [[Guardian Prime]], one more past Matrix-bearer, also foisted upon us by the Dreamwave Generation 1 comics.<br /> <br /> * [[Omega Prime]], the combined form of ''[[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus Prime]], who has the Matrix, and ''Robots in Disguise'' [[Ultra Magnus (RID)|Ultra Magnus]], who wants the Matrix.<br /> <br /> * [[Zeta Prime]], the ill-fated interim Prime left to glue the Autobots back together after the Decepticons' rise in [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW continuity]].<br /> <br /> * The [[Seven Primes]], the group of ancient Cybertronians who hid their Matrix and restored it in ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'''.<br /> <br /> ;'''Schmucks too good for disco'''<br /> <br /> * [[Lio Convoy|Leo Prime]], a high-ranking Maximal with an [[Energon Matrix]], which is not the Matrix.<br /> <br /> * [[Primal Prime]], the [[Vok]]-created Living Matrix and leader of the [[Wrecker|Wreckers]].<br /> <br /> * [[Vector Prime]], guardian of time and space, one of the [[thirteen original Transformers]], and incidentally, apparently another Matrix-bearer.<br /> <br /> * [[Nemesis Prime (disambiguation)|Nemesis Prime]], a name that has been applied to several different characters, one of which carries the [[Dead Matrix]].<br /> <br /> * [[Modus Prime]], the first of the [[Mini-Con|Mini-Cons]] and their leader in the ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' portion of the Generation 1 series.<br /> <br /> * [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]], the Autobot Elite Guard member and general pain-in-the-skidplate from ''[[Animated]]''.<br /> <br /> * Longarm Prime, the Autobot intelligence officer disguise of [[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]] from ''Animated''.<br /> <br /> * Prime is also the Japanese name for ''Armada'' [[Sparkplug (Armada)|Sparkplug]], who hung on to the Matrix after ''Armada'' [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] died.<br /> <br /> * The [[Dynasty of Primes]], a group of Primes who once ruled Cybertron from ''Revenge of the Fallen''.<br /> <br /> ==Locations==<br /> * [[Gorlam Prime]], the old name of a planet in the same sector of space as the [[Benzuli Expanse]].<br /> <br /> ==Fictional stories==<br /> Several stories contained the word &quot;Prime&quot;.<br /> <br /> ;'''Television'''<br /> <br /> * [[A Prime Problem]], in which nobody thought to check which [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] had the Matrix.<br /> <br /> * [[Prime Target]], in which a hunter was targeting Optimus Prime, who has the Matrix.<br /> <br /> * [[The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 1|The Return of Optimus Prime]], in [[The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2|part 2]] of which Optimus Prime fights Rodimus Prime for the Matrix.<br /> <br /> ;'''Comics'''<br /> <br /> * [[Prime Time!]], an issue of the Marvel Comics Generation 1 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|comic book]] in which Optimus Prime gets back the Matrix.<br /> <br /> * [[Prime Directive]], a six-part [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] Generation 1 miniseries which has a bunch of Autobots reactivated by the Matrix.<br /> <br /> * [[Vector Prime: In the Beginning]], an issue of the [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club comic]] which includes a flashback with Optimus Prime opening the Matrix.<br /> <br /> In addition, there is [[Prime Spark]], a prose story in which ''[[Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]], who happens to be a Matrix-bearer, meets some other Transformers named [[Optimus (disambiguation)|Optimus]], including Generation 1 Optimus Prime, who also happens to be a Matrix-bearer.<br /> <br /> ==What it is not==<br /> Prime should not be confused with:<br /> <br /> *[[Prima]], the first Matrix-bearer.<br /> <br /> *[[Primon]], because there just aren't enough past Matrix-bearers on this page.<br /> <br /> *[[Primus]], Transformer God, who ''made'' the Matrix.<br /> <br /> *[[Optimus Primal]], the [[Trukk not munky|munky]] from [[Beast Wars]], who had an Energon Matrix in Japan.<br /> <br /> *[[Primacron]], the mighty ape-like creator of [[Unicron]], who just doesn't get it.<br /> <br /> <br /> {{disambig}}</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Christmas&diff=368360 2009-09-21T19:04:30Z

<p>Aureole: /* Notes */</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;div style=&quot;position:absolute; right:1.15em; top:1.3em; font-size:95%;&quot; id=&quot;TemplateUserinfo&quot; class=&quot;plainlinksneverexpand&quot;&gt;<br /> For more images, please visit the '''[[Christmas/Gallery|Gallery]]'''.&lt;/div&gt;<br /> [[Image:Christmasprime.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Prime's Alpha Trion disguise fooled few.]]<br /> '''Christmas''' is a holiday celebrated by [[Human|humans]] on [[December 25]], commemorating the birth of someone called &quot;Christ.&quot; It seems to revolve around the exchange of material goods, the slaughter and festooning of conifers, and the consumption of roasted avians. More importantly, it is the locus of a powerful &quot;spirit&quot; manifesting in charity, goodwill, and appreciation. Even [[Starscream (G1)|hardened]] [[Dreadwind (G1)|Decepticon]] [[Darkwing|warriors]] and [[Circuit Breaker|vengeance-driven humans]] are subject to its influence.<br /> <br /> [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Some]] [[Grimlock (G1)|Autobots]] have been known to don a [[Transformer clothing|red outfit]] with a bushy, white [[Facial hair|beard]] as part of the Christmas ritual. While not the most extreme example of [[Pretender|quasi-fetishistic anthropomorphization]] among [[Transformer|Transformers]], this case is notable in its lack of explanation. Perhaps it is related to the similarly-opaque &quot;Christ&quot; figure at the center of the holiday.<br /> <br /> Another human custom, [[Black Friday]], is rumored to be the busiest day of shopping for the material goods needed for exchange on Christmas.<br /> <br /> {{quote|Christmas: Date — December 25th. Annual festival celebrating Christ's birth. Features include family reunion, gift-giving...|Starscream's &quot;Internal Data File&quot;|&quot;[[Stargazing]]&quot;}}<br /> <br /> ==Fiction==<br /> ===Marvel UK Generation 1 comics===<br /> *The magic of Christmas made [[Circuit Breaker]] not kill [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]]. {{storylink|Christmas Breaker!}}<br /> <br /> *The magic of Christmas made [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] appreciate his [[Earth]] heritage. {{storylink|The Gift}}<br /> <br /> *The magic of Christmas made [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] realize that even if he doesn't care, helping people can make him feel... well, he still doesn't really care. {{storylink|Stargazing}}<br /> <br /> *The magic of Christmas made [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] wear the Santa costume. So [[:Image:Biggrim christmas.jpg|cute]]! {{storylink|Stargazing}}<br /> <br /> *The magic of Christmas made [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] renew his pledge to protect Earth. {{storylink|Cold Comfort and Joy!}}<br /> <br /> *The magic of &lt;s&gt;free wine&lt;/s&gt; Christmas made [[Darkwing]] and [[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] [[:Image:MarvelUK-250.jpg|switch sides]]! {{storylink|The Greatest Gift Of All!}}<br /> <br /> *Optimus Prime shared a little of his own Christmas magic, healing environmental damage with a chunk of the Matrix. {{storylink|The Greatest Gift of All!}}<br /> <br /> God bless us, every one.<br /> <br /> ===Dreamwave ''Armada'' comics===<br /> *The magic of Christmas made [[Iceberg]] be fascinated with it. {{storylink|More Than Meets The Eye (Armada)|More Than Meets The Eye: Armada}}<br /> <br /> ===''Animated'' cartoon===<br /> * The magic of Christmas turned the Autobots into humans! Well, it wasn't so much the magic of Christmas as it was [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]] plugging them into a virtual reality world, but it could have if it chose to. {{storylink|Human Error, Part I}} <br /> *The magic of Christmas would also free [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Wreck-Gar]] from his entrapment in the lake bed, giving [[Sari Sumdac]] another ally in stopping Soundwave. It would also entice Wreck-Gar to give garbage to all the good little girls and boys! {{storylink|Human Error, Part II}}<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ==External links==<br /> *[[wikipedia:Christmas|Christmas]] at Wikipedia<br /> <br /> [[Category:Armada]]<br /> [[Category:Earth culture]]<br /> [[Category:Generation 1]]</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Aureole&diff=367837 2009-09-20T17:05:32Z

<p>Aureole: /* Nose News */</p> <hr /> <div>== Nose News ==<br /> Could you please add a storylink to your point about Octane smelling and then declining alien food? I don't see any mention of it on his page, and I don't recall him doing so in any episode. If you can't remember when/where it occurred, the item will have to be removed until you can.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:02, 18 September 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :You're right, I really can't remember. I'll look for the episode. --[[User:Aureole|Aureole]] 09:13, 19 September 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::Good enough. For the time being, I've rendered the point invisible by using comment tags. Once you find the episode, you can remove them and add the storylink, or if you find you were mistaken, you can just delete the line entirely.<br /> :::Oh, and as an added tip, you can use colons at the start of a line for indenting responses.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 19:56, 19 September 2009 (EDT)<br /> ::::Found the episode, just somebody already added it. Anyway, it's fixed. (And thanks for the tip)--[[User:Aureole|Aureole]] 13:05, 20 September 2009 (EDT)</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Klo&diff=367833 2009-09-20T17:01:22Z

<p>Aureole: /* Notes */</p> <hr /> <div>:''Klo is a planet in the [[Generation 1]] continuity family.''<br /> <br /> [[Image:Klo.jpg|right|164px|thumb|The yellow can't be seen from space.]]<br /> '''Klo''', which roughly translates as &quot;enduring peace&quot;, was once a beautiful world. It has lakes, sand, and great canyons of crystal (green), and is inhabited by a passive race of cloven-hooved, pot-bellied puce-skinned organics with small, flesh coloured horns on their heads, elongated ears, and enlarged eyes, known as either [[Klozian]]s or Klovians.<br /> <br /> ==Fiction==<br /> ===Marvel Comics continuity===<br /> :''Information in italics relates to the (later retconned) UK Annual text story &quot;Another Time and Place&quot;.''<br /> <br /> Unfortunately for Klo, in addition to all of its desirable qualities, it also had a place in the [[Decepticon]] star charts—at least, until [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] drove his sword through it at random.<br /> <br /> With [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] in tatters and apparently disintegrating after the [[Unicron]] war, and eager to leave his erstwhile [[Autobot]] allies to their certain doom, Acting Commander Bludgeon selected the planet at random as the Decepticons' first new conquest in too long, and the Decepticon fleet spilled over Klo, spreading panic and devastation everywhere. {{storylink|A Savage Circle}}<br /> <br /> [[Image:Klolandscape.jpg|left|200px|thumb|&quot;Mornin', Sam.&quot; &quot;Mornin', Ralph.&quot;]]<br /> Although seemingly-mindless, the destruction had a hidden purpose—anticipating, thanks to his discovery of [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'s homing beacon, the arrival of the [[Autobot|Autobots]] as avenging angels, Bludgeon intended to use the pillage of Klo to lure them into a final trap.<br /> <br /> Thus, Klo was nearly famous for being the site of one of the most successful Decepticon military campaigns of all time—with only one apparent casualty, the [[Firecon]] [[Sparkstalker]], accidentally incinerated by one of his own colleagues. {{storylink|The Last Autobot?}} The Autobots came, saw, and suffered, with almost all of the Autobot survivors destroyed, with the exception of Grimlock, [[Kup (G1)|Kup]], [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]], [[Slag (G1)|Slag]], and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]. Fortunately for Klo, however, unbeknownst to Grimlock or Bludgeon, another ship set down on the planet—the [[Last Autobot]], final Guardian of Cybertron, carrying the team of super-heroes known as the [[Neo-Knights]], and, more importantly, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. The shock factor of Optimus' latest return from the grave, coupled with the return to the fray of a still-fighting Grimlock, and the [[Last Autobot]], whose [[Primus]]-given skills allowed him to psionically repair and resurrect the fallen Autobots, spelled doom for the [[Decepticon]] forces. Bludgeon, claiming defeat, ordered a retreat, telling the Autobots that the war was over, and that the Decepticons, &quot;whipped like curs&quot;, would now leave for some solitary asteroid, there to live out their lives in exile.<br /> <br /> [[Image:Kloattack.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Should probably leave this out of the brochure.]]<br /> The Decepticons departed Klo, and [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] pledged that the Autobots would help the Klozians to rebuild. {{storylink|End of the Road! (US)|End of the Road!}}<br /> <br /> ''The rebuilding process took several months, during which time the bodies of the Decepticons killed in the battle were entombed or interred in some fashion. Finally, the Autobots left the planet—at which point a group of the Decepticons quietly returned, and retrieved their fallen brethren, taking them to [[Hydrus Four]].'' {{storylink|Another Time and Place|Another Time and Place}}<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> * According to the original script for &quot;[[End of the Road! (US)|End of the Road!]]&quot;, Klo's lakes are sulfuric. This was not conveyed well in the final publication.<br /> <br /> * In German, Klo is a synonym for toilet. This is ''hilarious''!<br /> <br /> * And it's also Swedish for ''claw''. No really, no slang involved.<br /> <br /> <br /> [[Category:Generation 1 planets]]</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Aureole&diff=367344 2009-09-19T13:13:57Z

<p>Aureole: /* Nose News */</p> <hr /> <div>== Nose News ==<br /> Could you please add a storylink to your point about Octane smelling and then declining alien food? I don't see any mention of it on his page, and I don't recall him doing so in any episode. If you can't remember when/where it occurred, the item will have to be removed until you can.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:02, 18 September 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> -- You're right, I really can't remember. I'll look for the episode. --[[User:Aureole|Aureole]] 09:13, 19 September 2009 (EDT)</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User:Aureole&diff=367195 2009-09-18T22:37:30Z

<p>Aureole: New page: Go ahead, it&#039;s just me. ^^</p> <hr /> <div>Go ahead, it's just me. ^^</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Humanization&diff=367194 2009-09-18T22:36:18Z

<p>Aureole: /* Smelling */</p> <hr /> <div>Throughout the various Transformers canon, there have been several instances of Transformers with humanistic traits and having very human actions that possibly conflict with their status as mechanical robots. Many of these instances can be dismissed as stylistic choices by the artists or as gags not to be taken seriously.<br /> <br /> ==Glandular, digestive, and respiratory==<br /> ===Sweating===<br /> * In [[Prime Time!|issue twelve]] of the original [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''Generation 1'' comic]], [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] is seen leaking lubricant from his head during a stressful confrontation with [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] (as Shockwave points out), in a manner resembling sweating.<br /> * Numerous times in the Marvel UK comic, [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] can be seen &quot;sweating&quot;.<br /> * ''[[Robots in Disguise (cartoon)|Robots in Disguise]]'' and ''[[Armada (cartoon)|Armada]]'' featured Transformers displaying the traditional anime &quot;sweat drop&quot;, a giant bead of liquid appearing at the side of the head to convey embarrassment or exasperation.<br /> <br /> ===Coughing===<br /> * In the G1 episode &quot;[[Roll for It]]&quot;, when the Autobots emerge from the ruins of a demolished [[antimatter]] laboratory, they are coughing.<br /> * [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] coughs while infected with Cosmic Rust. {{storylink|Cosmic Rust (episode)|Cosmic Rust}}<br /> * In &quot;[[Call of the Primitives]]&quot;, a fiery blast from [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] causes both the [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcons]] and [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]] to cough.<br /> * In ''Beast Wars'', [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] begins to cough for no reason while making a triumphant speech. Much like Powerglide's &quot;heart&quot;, this could be a one-shot joke. He also coughs while sleeping.<br /> * In the ''Transformers Armada'' episode &quot;[[Mortal Combat]]&quot;, right after Optimus Prime says &quot;I wish I could accommodate you,&quot; he coughs silently.<br /> * [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] visibly coughs after [[Sam Witwicky]] uses the [[Matrix of Leadership]] to restore him to life in ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', even expelling what appears to be dust.<br /> <br /> ===Breathing===<br /> On ''Star Trek the Next Generation'', it was explained that the android Data's breathing served primarily to cool his inner components. It could be argued that breathing serves the same purpose in Transformers, but this explanation is always going to smack of desperation.<br /> <br /> * In an ''Energon'' episode, [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] instructs [[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]] that they have to synchronize their breathing before they can [[Powerlinx|powerlink]].<br /> * At the climax of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] tries to strangle [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], complete with sounds of Hot Rod gagging and struggling to breathe. It's possible that Galvatron was trying to compress Hot Rod's neck until the Autobot's head popped off, but that isn't likely.<br /> * [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]], calling for help as a python constricts him, says he can't breathe. {{storylink|Dark Voyage}}<br /> * [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] is shown to be breathing heavily after trying to chase down Blurr, even though he quips in a previous episode that not needing to breathe is useful for an Autobot. {{storylink|Velocity}}<br /> * On the [[Nemesis (ROTF)| Nemesis]], [[Megatron (Movie)| Megatron]] and [[Starscream (Movie)| Starscream's]] breath can be seen due to condensation in the cold ship. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}<br /> <br /> ===Smelling===<br /> Nearly all Transformers possess noses, although it's not clear if they serve a purpose to all of them.<br /> <br /> * [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] apparently could detect human pheromones in the air. {{storylink|Transformers (2007)|Transformers}}<br /> <br /> * In the same movie [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] said &quot;I can smell you, boy!&quot; right before breaking through to the second floor of the building where [[Sam Witwicky|Sam]] was hiding.<br /> <br /> * [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] stated that he could smell Decepticons while wrinkeling his nose as if he just catched up a scent. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}<br /> <br /> * Octane used his nose to smell some alien food and then denied trying a sample.<br /> <br /> *[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] is known to be capable of detecting the &quot;smell&quot; of dinosaur transform static (It could be that he is detecting their [[Energy signature]] instead, which would not be 'smelling' at all). {{storylink|Thief in the Night|Thief in the Night}}<br /> <br /> ===Spitting===<br /> * Throughout his term on the Marvel UK comic letters page, [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] would regularly say &quot;(Puttup)&quot; after mentioning the Autobots or an Autobot's name to represent him spitting in disgust. This habit made an in-story appearance, with him spitting at [[Donny Finkleberg|Robot-Master]] despite his [[mouthplate]].<br /> * After [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] escapes from the Decepticons's New Jersey base via a sewer, he spits as he complains about their poor choice of back door.{{storylink|...All This and Civil War 2}}<br /> * In the ''[[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' episode &quot;[[Tangled Web]]&quot;, [[Quickstrike (BW)|Quickstrike]] &quot;spits&quot; after reissuing his challenge to tangle with [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]], despite the fact that, like Soundwave, he has no apparent mouth.<br /> *In ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] spits at [[Sam Witwicky]]. [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] also has to spit his mouth clean after being blasted across a forest by [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]].<br /> <br /> ===Crying===<br /> [[Image:Omega Supreme tears up.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Tissue: desired.]]<br /> <br /> * A twinkle of light that may not literally be a tear, but is clearly intended to imply one, can be seen in [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]'s eye at the end of &quot;[[The Secret of Omega Supreme]]&quot;.<br /> <br /> * When [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] dies in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] is seen to dab at her eyes.<br /> <br /> * In &quot;[[The Burden Hardest to Bear]]&quot;, [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] has tears falling from his eyes, presumably in pain, during his monstrous disfigurement after he gains the power of the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]].<br /> <br /> * At the end of &quot;[[Heroic! The Victory War]]&quot;, some Decepticons are crying over their defeat.<br /> <br /> * As he mourns his dead friend [[Snowstalker]] and decides he can never fight again, [[Tigatron]] cries a single tear in beast mode.<br /> <br /> * When pondering [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]]'s fate in ''[[Beast Machines (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'', [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] is shown to shed a single tear from one of her spider eyes.<br /> <br /> [[Image:Bw2 ep6 twinwaterfalls.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Surf's up—and I'm talkin' ''up''!]]<br /> <br /> * Throughout ''[[Beast Wars II (cartoon)|Beast Wars II]]'' and ''[[Robots in Disguise (cartoon)|Robots in Disguise]]'', and occasionally in the ''[[Armada (cartoon)|Armada]]'' cartoon, several characters are seen crying in hyperbolic anime fashion.<br /> <br /> * Tears can be seen welling up in [[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]]'s eyes and falling to the ground in ''[[Energon (cartoon)|Energon]]'' as he mourns a fallen comrade.<br /> <br /> * In ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers: Animated]]'', [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] cries, though this &quot;ability&quot; could be part of her partially organic nature. {{storylink|Along Came a Spider}}<br /> <br /> *[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] cries after [[Sam Witwicky]] tells him cars are not allowed on campus. ''{{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}''<br /> <br /> ===Eating===<br /> [[Image:Optimusprime-mom.jpg|200px|right|thumb]]<br /> <br /> * There are references to [[Cybertronian food]].<br /> <br /> * [[Skullcruncher]] has been known to eat Autobots as well as humans and other organics, despite not needing to do so to survive. Other Decepticons are disgusted by this practice.<br /> <br /> * There are Pepsi and [[Destron Pizza|pizza]] in the refrigerator in [[Pepsi Convoy]]'s home.<br /> <br /> * In ''[[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'', the Maximals and Predacons are shown to eat:<br /> **[[Tarantulas]] even displays something of a voracious appetite, eating rats and leaving webs to catch prey. At one point, he captures Cheetor and prepares to drain the Maximal's fluids, claiming that it is the act he prefers over the nourishment (which adds just another level of creepy to the already creepy Tarantulas). {{storylink|The Web}}<br /> **[[Rattrap]] eats apples. {{storylink|The Web}}<br /> **[[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]] eats a bird. {{storylink|Power Surge}}<br /> **[[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]] eats [[Clone One|his clone]]. [[Optimus Primal]] remarks that he is &quot;disgusting&quot;. {{storylink|Double Dinobot}}<br /> **While suffering from an [[Energon discharge virus]], [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] eats wild beans to build up his power. This later ends disastrously for [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|The Low Road}}<br /> * In ''[[Beast Machines (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'', [[Optimus Primal]] wants to eat the underground tree's fruit; [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] protests that &quot;we don't eat food, we process [[Energon (fuel)|energon]]—PERIOD!&quot;, but is overruled. {{storylink|Forbidden Fruit}}<br /> <br /> ===Flatulence===<br /> * In the ''[[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' episode &quot;[[The Low Road]]&quot;, Rhinox lets out an extreme amount of flatulence after consuming wild bean vines. This could be due to Maximals having organic parts in their makeup.<br /> * In the ''Beast Wars'' episode &quot;[[Bad Spark]]&quot;, [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] also lets out flatulence, blaming it on a large buildup of energy from his [[Transmetal]] body.<br /> * Just go watch ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''. Happens every five minutes. You can set a clock by it.<br /> <br /> ===Urination===<br /> * [[Tasmania Kid]] urinates (in beast mode) to put out a fire.<br /> * [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] performs a similar action on [[Seymour Simmons|Agent Simmons]] by popping off his automobile oil filter in robot mode. Optimus Prime claims that 'Bee is just &quot;lubricating&quot; him. Presumably, this action was inspired from witnessing a [[Mojo|similar incident]].<br /> <br /> ===Intoxication===<br /> * In the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]] episode &quot;[[Microbots]]&quot;, the [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] behaving in a noticeably intoxicated fashion after consuming high-grade [[Energon (fuel)|energon]]. [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] refers to this as &quot;over-energizing&quot;.<br /> * In the UK comic, the [[Wrecker|Wreckers]] frequent a &quot;bar&quot; on Cybertron called [[Maccadam's Old Oil House]], where they consume high-grade energon, presumably for the purposes of getting intoxicated. [[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] and [[Darkwing]] pay a visit to this establishment in a later story, and get so hammered that they don't even notice [[Quickswitch]] fighting with some [[Mecannibal]]s.<br /> * In ''Beast Wars II'', [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] gets &quot;drunk&quot; on numerous occasions.<br /> * In the ''Beast Wars II'' manga, [[Lio Convoy]] gets drunk once and messes up [[Apache]]'s room.<br /> * The [[Constructicon (Animated) |Constructicons]] in ''Animated'', whose personalities are shout-outs to construction worker stereotypes, seem to drink oil the way humans drink beer. However, they never actually get drunk.<br /> <br /> ===Miscellaneous===<br /> [[Image:AutoBerserk OptimusPrime closedeyes.jpg|right|125px|thumb|Oh, my eyes!!]]<br /> [[Image:Cigarchomping.jpg|right|125px|thumb|Bet it's imported from Cubatron.]]<br /> * In the episode &quot;[[Auto Berserk]]&quot;, Optimus Prime's eyes are closed (apparently to shield them against the smoke) much like a human's when the Autobots stagger out of the fire and smoke of the Negavator's destruction.<br /> <br /> * [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]] once gets a cold, causing him to cough and have a fever, in an issue of the [[Victory (manga)|''Victory'' manga]]. {{storylink|The Star of Friendship, Jean and Star Saber!}}<br /> <br /> * [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]] got a bump on his head after being hit by Deathsaurus with a staff when they were young boys. {{storylink|The Star of Friendship, Jean and Star Saber!}}<br /> <br /> * [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] chomps on a sparkplug-like object like it's a [[cigar]]. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 5}}<br /> <br /> *[[Bumblebee (Animated)| Bumblebee]] has bandages wrapped around his middle after Sari is knocked out and the Autobots return to their base. {{storylink|TransWarped}}<br /> {{-}}<br /> <br /> ==Body parts==<br /> ===Teeth/tongues/eyeballs/eyelashes===<br /> * The [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 cartoon series]] is the only major piece of fiction to ''not'' present Transformers as possessing [[teeth]] and/or [[Tongue|tongues]]. The features appear in both the [[Marvel]] and [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] comics, ''[[The Battlestars]]'' manga, the ''[[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' and ''[[Beast Machines (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'' animated series (where teeth would even be knocked out on occasion), the ''[[Robots in Disguise (cartoon)|Robots in Disguise]]'' cartoon, and the [[Unicron Trilogy]] cartoons and comics.<br /> <br /> *There is a teardrop on young [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]]'s face after being beaten by Deathsaurus.<br /> <br /> *[[Lyzack]] sports some pretty heavy-duty eyelashes for her brief appearance in the ''[[Victory (manga)|Victory]]'' manga. So does [[Esmeral]]. {{storylink|Heroic! The Victory War}}<br /> <br /> *One of the most prevalent examples of this tradition is the [[Kiss Players (manga)|''Kiss Players'' manga]], in which a [[Legion]] character is equipped with a distinctive prehensile (and phallic) tongue.<br /> <br /> *In [[Spotlight: Hot Rod]], Hot Rod is shown to have what appears to be blast shields for his optics when he passes out after landing. Dealer's optics are mostly covered by his eyelids, so he looks half-passed out. ''Per an email query to IDW, their response is that Transformers do not have eyelids, that it's just artistic license.'' <br /> <br /> *The robots in the [[live-action film series]] have eyes designed to resemble cameras, enabling them to dilate and blink. The more human-like the robot, the more they are likely to have teeth. In the case of, say, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], his teeth are mechanical cubes overlaid on each other, while [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] has bona fide fangs. Optimus spits out a piece of his shattered faceplate in the second film, which is intended to resemble a boxer spitting out a tooth after a brutal match. ''{{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}''<br /> <br /> &lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> Image:Esmeryl-manga.jpg<br /> Image:LyzackEyelashes01.jpg|About 15 gallons of mascara for those things.<br /> Image:HotRodOpticShields.jpg|Hey, wake up!<br /> Image:Dealerseyelids.jpg|Got munchies?<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;&lt;/center&gt;<br /> <br /> ===Facial hair===<br /> {{Main|Facial hair}}<br /> <br /> * [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]], [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], [[Unicron]], and [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] all sport &quot;facial hair&quot; in the G1 cartoon. In addition to that, ''Energon''&lt;nowiki&gt;'&lt;/nowiki&gt;s [[Bulkhead (Energon)|Bulkhead]], the films' Optimus (who has a goatee), [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] and [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] and ''Animated''&lt;nowiki&gt;'&lt;/nowiki&gt;s [[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]], [[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]], and [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|the other Wreck-Gar]] all have varying amounts of facial hair. (The last of these was modeled after [[&quot;Weird Al&quot; Yankovic|his voice actor's]] own, prior to his appearance's overhaul.)<br /> <br /> ===Obesity===<br /> Although Transformers come in all shapes and sizes anyway, some characters have particularly round appearances that suggest something equivalent to human obesity.<br /> <br /> * [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] is virtually as wide as he is tall and is depicted as extremely round, with very short, stubby legs. It gives him more than a passing resemblance to a heavily obese person, or at best one of those huge, flabby, off-season wrestlers.<br /> * Much the same could be said of [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]. Being big-chassised is no excuse to let yourself go.<br /> * [[Ratchet (Animated)|''Animated'' Ratchet]] has a prominent gut that resembles a human paunch. Although ordinarily this might be considered merely a feature of his transformation scheme (ala [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]]), he is specifically designed to be a crotchety &quot;old man&quot; character, and in flashback sequences to his younger days in the Great War, he notably ''lacks'' said paunch.<br /> * [[Gnaw]]. Well, all the [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticons]], really, but seriously. It's kind of comically appropriate that the robots which do absolutely nothing but hang out and eat stuff all day are so roly-poly.<br /> <br /> ===Feminine Characteristics===<br /> [[Image:TM2 Blackarachnia.jpg|right|230px|thumb|I'd tap it like the fist of an angry god.]]<br /> There are several instances of female transformers whose bodies are designed with the explicit similarity to stereotypical human females. While this generally includes a more slender build (particularly a narrow waist) it also sometimes includes other characteristics which suggest a degree of gender dimorphism similar to organic races, although the purpose of this is unclear. <br /> <br /> Note, however, that there are [[Strika (BM)|certainly]] some [[Glyph (G1)|exceptions]] to [[Road Rage|this]].<br /> <br /> ''The real-world explanation to most of these exceptions are [[redecos]] of originally male toys.''<br /> <br /> ====Breasts====<br /> Some female Transformers, such as [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] and [[Elita One]] (not to mention the ''other'' [[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]] and [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Elita-1]]) have a protruding chest area that bears no apparent relation to their alt mode [[kibble]], but bears some vague resemblance to clothed human breasts, or a &quot;monoboob&quot;, if you will. Some females even have two separate and even more distinctly rounded breast-like protuberances, particularly in their fictional depictions. [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]], [[Antagony]] and [[Beta]] all fall into this category. One, [[Thunderblast (Decepticon)| Thunderblast]], even has [[:Image:ThunderblastBoobsAndNipples01.jpg|visible nipples]]. ''(You're going to look, aren't you...?)''<br /> <br /> ====Lips====<br /> [[Image:G1 Silverbolt cartoon.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Though not female, [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]]'s got &lt;s&gt;sexy&lt;/s&gt; nice lips.]]<br /> Another common feature to denote gender in some female Transfomers (mostly only in the fiction) is distinctly fuller, plumper lips than is standard, such as Blackarachnia's in ''Beast Wars''. Sometimes, however, they will additionally have red or otherwise different/darker colouration to their lips, with an evident similarity to human lipstick. Such paint-mouthed hussybots include Blackarachnia in ''Beast Machines'', her [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|''Animated'' cousin]], and most [[Female Autobots|G1 Female Autobots]].<br /> <br /> ====Hips====<br /> [[Image:SpacePirates Arcee Bunsofsteel.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Dan Reed, you perv.]]<br /> <br /> :''See also the '''[[Humanization#Sexuality|Sexuality]]''' section below and the articles '''[[Female Transformer]]''' and '''[[Reproduction]]'''<br /> <br /> {{--}}<br /> <br /> ===Questionable body parts===<br /> [[Image:Powerglide heart.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Not [[Wikipedia:Astroboy|Astroboy]], we swear!]]<br /> <br /> * Nearly all Transformers seem to possess noses for no discernible functional reason, ''[[Beast Wars]]'' characters and movieverse [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] being exceptions. Movie [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] also notes that he can smell [[Sam Witwicky|Sam]] when the latter is trying to escape from him. [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] also notes that he can &quot;smell&quot; [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]]. This would seem to imply that movieverse Transformers have a form of olfactory systems. The idea of noses is somewhat 'fixed' in [[Animated]] by having the noses visible be a part of the robot's helmets as opposed to being part of their face.<br /> <br /> * At the end of the G1 episode &quot;[[The Girl Who Loved Powerglide]]&quot;, [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] is seen to have the LED outline of a cartoon heart within his chassis. This is somewhat nonsensical even within in the context of the show (the contents of Transformers chest cavities had been shown several times before), and is doubtless merely meant as a one-off sight gag.<br /> <br /> * Although listed separately above, breasts would also fit under this category quite well, seeing as there doesn't appear to be any use for them on Transformers, other than to show them off.<br /> <br /> ;Brains<br /> [[Image:PredaBrain1.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Predaking: All brawn AND brains!]]<br /> <br /> * [[Predaking]] has an organic brain when he is sliced in half in the [[Enter the New Supreme Commander, Dai Atlas!|''Zone'' cartoon]].<br /> <br /> * [[Unicron]] also has an organic brain in the G.I. Joe crossover, [[Black Horizon, Part 2 of 2|Black Horizon Part 2]].<br /> <br /> ;Nuts and Bolts<br /> * [[Rattrap]] kicks [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] in the groin, causing apparent pain and giving him a high-pitched voice. {{storylink|Other Voices, Part 1}}<br /> <br /> * [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]] has a pair of dangling wrecking balls in a...very unfortunate place. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}<br /> <br /> {{-}}<br /> <br /> ==Other biological functions==<br /> ===Sleep===<br /> * In the G1 comic, [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]] plays a prank on [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] while he was in &quot;rest mode.&quot; {{storylink|Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)|Trailbreaker's ''Universe'' profile}} [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] falls asleep and dreams (or rather, has a nightmare), an experience Prime refers to as an &quot;involuntary systems shutdown&quot;. {{storylink|Back from the Dead}} Skids is also seen to require a manually activated nightly shutdown to conserve energy. {{storylink|Heavy Traffic!}} Kup later attempts to rouse a vision-struck Optimus Prime by urging him to &quot;wake up&quot;—then reminds himself that &quot;we don't sleep!&quot; {{storylink|The Power and the Glory}}<br /> * In the Japanese ''[[The Headmasters (cartoon)|Headmasters]]'' cartoon, [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]] is able to use a form of hypnotism on the Autobots, which can include lulling them to sleep.<br /> * In ''[[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'', it has been firmly established that (perhaps partially due to their organic components), all Transformers within the cartoon sleep. Some prime examples of this are:<br /> **Megatron has been shown to sleep in the command chair of the ''Darksyde'', while his dino head mounted on the end of his arm stays awake, looks around, and smiles slyly. Wonder what it thinks about...<br /> ** Cheetor has been shown asleep at many points, complete with (occasionally prophetic) dreams. In &quot;[[Feral Scream Part 2]]&quot;, he also purrs when he's asleep. How cute!<br /> ** In &quot;[[Call of the Wild]]&quot;, the Maximals are kept awake for two days by the Predacons' non-stop attacks on their base, which exacerbate their beast instincts overriding their logic circuits.<br /> * In ''Beast Wars II'', [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] often nods off in a narcoleptic-like fashion.<br /> * In the ''Beast Wars II'' manga, Lio Convoy sleeps and has a nightmare at one point.<br /> * ''Armada'' [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]] is quite fond of catching forty winks when possible. [[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] does the same on one occasion. Armada Megatron is also seen asleep twice in the episode &quot;Rebellion&quot;.<br /> * ''Animated'' [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] enters a form of sleep he calls a &quot;stasis nap&quot;, during which he gets several parking tickets. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out}}<br /> * Also in ''Animated'', when the Autobots feel tired after drinking an oil-nog, they decide to go to sleep, pardon, to take a stasis nap. [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus]] even yawns. {{storylink|Human Error, Part I}}<br /> <br /> ===Aging===<br /> Some Transformers have been depicted as aging. <br /> <br /> * [[Image:Alpha Trion through the epochs.jpg|right|250px|thumb|]][[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] has been depicted in three different eras: 11 million years in the past, 9 million years in the past, and the present day. Though his [[character model]] undergoes many changes, his facial hair changes seem to mimic human aging. In his (chronologically) earliest depiction, he has a small black mustache. In his second depiction, his mustache has turned white. By the modern era, he sports a long mustache and beard.<br /> <br /> [[Image:MangaYoungDeathyStarSaber.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Young and Innocent]]<br /> * [[Emirate Xaaron]] couldn't transform anymore because he was old.<br /> <br /> * In an issue of the Marvel UK G1 comics, Kup's systems are going to shut down because he is too old.<br /> <br /> * [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]] and [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]] are depicted as &quot;child&quot; Transformers, complete with childlike temperaments, in flashbacks. {{storylink|The Star of Friendship, Jean and Star Saber!|The Star of Friendship, Jean and Star Saber!}} <br /> <br /> *Movieverse [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] has a cane and is rusting.<br /> <br /> {{-}}<br /> <br /> ===Sexuality===<br /> One of the most controversial aspects of Transformers is the idea of sexuality. While it is established in most continuities that Transformers do not reproduce sexually, most continuities nonetheless have distinctive male and [[Female Transformer|female characters]].<br /> <br /> [[Image:Sideburnhearts.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Sorry, Side Burn, I don't think Wedge rolls that way.]]<br /> The G1 cartoon brought the first official female Transformers into the canon, including [[Elita One]] and [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]]. The characters are noticeably more feminine in design and some have clearly defined romantic relationships with male Autobots. <br /> <br /> The issue becomes more complicated in ''[[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'', where the sexuality line is clearly defined. ([[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] has a particularly well defined female figure, including what appears to be an ample bosom) It is hinted on occasion that the robots may engage in activities resembling human sex acts. Rattrap offers to take [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]] to what sounds like a Cybertonian version of a strip club, and later slyly makes a double entendre regarding Silverbolt's suspected kinky activities with Predacon Blackarachnia. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part 1)}} In the Japanese ''[[Beast Wars Metals (franchise)|Metals]]'' dub, Rattrap, thinking himself about to be stabbed by Dinobot, asks him to &quot;be gentle, because I've heard the first time can hurt.&quot;<br /> <br /> In the original Japanese version of ''[[Energon (cartoon)|Energon]]'', [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Mirage]] displays romantic interest in [[Megatron (Armada)|Galvatron]], causing his comrades to regard him with minor confusion. The ''Energon'' dub seemed to do its best to skirt around this issue, with Mirage's exclamations either being about different things entirely or simple cheering on of his leader—but they couldn't do anything about the hands-clasped-beside-his-head-while-doe-eyed expressions, or the one time that he pirouettes and strikes a pose while surrounded by a giant, glowing, pink heart. ''Why'', Japan?<br /> <br /> ==Accents==<br /> {{Main|Accents}}<br /> <br /> ==See also==<br /> * [[:Category:Transformer anatomy|Transformer anatomy]]<br /> * [[Anatomic euphemism]]<br /> * [[Robot-fleshling romance]]<br /> * [[Reproduction]]<br /> * [[Relatives]]<br /> <br /> <br /> [[Category:Transformer anatomy]]</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Humanization&diff=367189 2009-09-18T22:29:03Z

<p>Aureole: /* Glandular, digestive, and respiratory */</p> <hr /> <div>Throughout the various Transformers canon, there have been several instances of Transformers with humanistic traits and having very human actions that possibly conflict with their status as mechanical robots. Many of these instances can be dismissed as stylistic choices by the artists or as gags not to be taken seriously.<br /> <br /> ==Glandular, digestive, and respiratory==<br /> ===Sweating===<br /> * In [[Prime Time!|issue twelve]] of the original [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''Generation 1'' comic]], [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] is seen leaking lubricant from his head during a stressful confrontation with [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] (as Shockwave points out), in a manner resembling sweating.<br /> * Numerous times in the Marvel UK comic, [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] can be seen &quot;sweating&quot;.<br /> * ''[[Robots in Disguise (cartoon)|Robots in Disguise]]'' and ''[[Armada (cartoon)|Armada]]'' featured Transformers displaying the traditional anime &quot;sweat drop&quot;, a giant bead of liquid appearing at the side of the head to convey embarrassment or exasperation.<br /> <br /> ===Coughing===<br /> * In the G1 episode &quot;[[Roll for It]]&quot;, when the Autobots emerge from the ruins of a demolished [[antimatter]] laboratory, they are coughing.<br /> * [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] coughs while infected with Cosmic Rust. {{storylink|Cosmic Rust (episode)|Cosmic Rust}}<br /> * In &quot;[[Call of the Primitives]]&quot;, a fiery blast from [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] causes both the [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcons]] and [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]] to cough.<br /> * In ''Beast Wars'', [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] begins to cough for no reason while making a triumphant speech. Much like Powerglide's &quot;heart&quot;, this could be a one-shot joke. He also coughs while sleeping.<br /> * In the ''Transformers Armada'' episode &quot;[[Mortal Combat]]&quot;, right after Optimus Prime says &quot;I wish I could accommodate you,&quot; he coughs silently.<br /> <br /> ===Breathing===<br /> On ''Star Trek the Next Generation'', it was explained that the android Data's breathing served primarily to cool his inner components. It could be argued that breathing serves the same purpose in Transformers, but this explanation is always going to smack of desperation.<br /> <br /> * In an ''Energon'' episode, [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] instructs [[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]] that they have to synchronize their breathing before they can [[Powerlinx|powerlink]].<br /> * At the climax of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] tries to strangle [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], complete with sounds of Hot Rod gagging and struggling to breathe. It's possible that Galvatron was trying to compress Hot Rod's neck until the Autobot's head popped off, but that isn't likely.<br /> * [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]], calling for help as a python constricts him, says he can't breathe. {{storylink|Dark Voyage}}<br /> * [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] is shown to be breathing heavily after trying to chase down Blurr, even though he quips in a previous episode that not needing to breathe is useful for an Autobot. {{storylink|Velocity}}<br /> * On the [[Nemesis (ROTF)| Nemesis]], [[Megatron (Movie)| Megatron]] and [[Starscream (Movie)| Starscream's]] breath can be seen due to condensation in the cold ship. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}<br /> <br /> ===Smelling===<br /> Nearly all Transformers possess noses, although it's not clear if they serve a purpose to all of them.<br /> <br /> * [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] apparently could detect human pheromones in the air. {{storylink|Transformers (2007)|Transformers}}<br /> <br /> * In the same movie [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] said &quot;I can smell you, boy!&quot; right before breaking through to the second floor of the building where [[Sam Witwicky|Sam]] was hiding.<br /> <br /> * [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] stated that he could smell Decepticons while wrinkeling his nose as if he just catched up a scent. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}<br /> <br /> * Octane used his nose to smell some alien food and then denied trying a sample.<br /> <br /> *[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] is known to be capable of detecting the &quot;smell&quot; of dinosaur transform static (It could be that he is detecting their electrical signature instead, which would not be 'smelling' at all). {{storylink|Thief in the Night|Thief in the Night}}<br /> <br /> ===Spitting===<br /> * Throughout his term on the Marvel UK comic letters page, [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] would regularly say &quot;(Puttup)&quot; after mentioning the Autobots or an Autobot's name to represent him spitting in disgust. This habit made an in-story appearance, with him spitting at [[Donny Finkleberg|Robot-Master]] despite his [[mouthplate]].<br /> * After [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] escapes from the Decepticons's New Jersey base via a sewer, he spits as he complains about their poor choice of back door.{{storylink|...All This and Civil War 2}}<br /> * In the ''[[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' episode &quot;[[Tangled Web]]&quot;, [[Quickstrike (BW)|Quickstrike]] &quot;spits&quot; after reissuing his challenge to tangle with [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]], despite the fact that, like Soundwave, he has no apparent mouth.<br /> *In ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] spits at [[Sam Witwicky]]. [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] also has to spit his mouth clean after being blasted across a forest by [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]].<br /> <br /> ===Crying===<br /> [[Image:Omega Supreme tears up.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Tissue: desired.]]<br /> <br /> * A twinkle of light that may not literally be a tear, but is clearly intended to imply one, can be seen in [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]'s eye at the end of &quot;[[The Secret of Omega Supreme]]&quot;.<br /> <br /> * When [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] dies in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] is seen to dab at her eyes.<br /> <br /> * In &quot;[[The Burden Hardest to Bear]]&quot;, [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] has tears falling from his eyes, presumably in pain, during his monstrous disfigurement after he gains the power of the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]].<br /> <br /> * At the end of &quot;[[Heroic! The Victory War]]&quot;, some Decepticons are crying over their defeat.<br /> <br /> * As he mourns his dead friend [[Snowstalker]] and decides he can never fight again, [[Tigatron]] cries a single tear in beast mode.<br /> <br /> * When pondering [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]]'s fate in ''[[Beast Machines (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'', [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] is shown to shed a single tear from one of her spider eyes.<br /> <br /> [[Image:Bw2 ep6 twinwaterfalls.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Surf's up—and I'm talkin' ''up''!]]<br /> <br /> * Throughout ''[[Beast Wars II (cartoon)|Beast Wars II]]'' and ''[[Robots in Disguise (cartoon)|Robots in Disguise]]'', and occasionally in the ''[[Armada (cartoon)|Armada]]'' cartoon, several characters are seen crying in hyperbolic anime fashion.<br /> <br /> * Tears can be seen welling up in [[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]]'s eyes and falling to the ground in ''[[Energon (cartoon)|Energon]]'' as he mourns a fallen comrade.<br /> <br /> * In ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers: Animated]]'', [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] cries, though this &quot;ability&quot; could be part of her partially organic nature. {{storylink|Along Came a Spider}}<br /> <br /> *[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] cries after [[Sam Witwicky]] tells him cars are not allowed on campus. ''{{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}''<br /> <br /> ===Eating===<br /> [[Image:Optimusprime-mom.jpg|200px|right|thumb]]<br /> <br /> * There are references to [[Cybertronian food]].<br /> <br /> * [[Skullcruncher]] has been known to eat Autobots as well as humans and other organics, despite not needing to do so to survive. Other Decepticons are disgusted by this practice.<br /> <br /> * There are Pepsi and [[Destron Pizza|pizza]] in the refrigerator in [[Pepsi Convoy]]'s home.<br /> <br /> * In ''[[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'', the Maximals and Predacons are shown to eat:<br /> **[[Tarantulas]] even displays something of a voracious appetite, eating rats and leaving webs to catch prey. At one point, he captures Cheetor and prepares to drain the Maximal's fluids, claiming that it is the act he prefers over the nourishment (which adds just another level of creepy to the already creepy Tarantulas). {{storylink|The Web}}<br /> **[[Rattrap]] eats apples. {{storylink|The Web}}<br /> **[[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]] eats a bird. {{storylink|Power Surge}}<br /> **[[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]] eats [[Clone One|his clone]]. [[Optimus Primal]] remarks that he is &quot;disgusting&quot;. {{storylink|Double Dinobot}}<br /> **While suffering from an [[Energon discharge virus]], [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] eats wild beans to build up his power. This later ends disastrously for [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|The Low Road}}<br /> * In ''[[Beast Machines (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'', [[Optimus Primal]] wants to eat the underground tree's fruit; [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] protests that &quot;we don't eat food, we process [[Energon (fuel)|energon]]—PERIOD!&quot;, but is overruled. {{storylink|Forbidden Fruit}}<br /> <br /> ===Flatulence===<br /> * In the ''[[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' episode &quot;[[The Low Road]]&quot;, Rhinox lets out an extreme amount of flatulence after consuming wild bean vines. This could be due to Maximals having organic parts in their makeup.<br /> * In the ''Beast Wars'' episode &quot;[[Bad Spark]]&quot;, [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] also lets out flatulence, blaming it on a large buildup of energy from his [[Transmetal]] body.<br /> * Just go watch ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''. Happens every five minutes. You can set a clock by it.<br /> <br /> ===Urination===<br /> * [[Tasmania Kid]] urinates (in beast mode) to put out a fire.<br /> * [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] performs a similar action on [[Seymour Simmons|Agent Simmons]] by popping off his automobile oil filter in robot mode. Optimus Prime claims that 'Bee is just &quot;lubricating&quot; him. Presumably, this action was inspired from witnessing a [[Mojo|similar incident]].<br /> <br /> ===Intoxication===<br /> * In the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]] episode &quot;[[Microbots]]&quot;, the [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] behaving in a noticeably intoxicated fashion after consuming high-grade [[Energon (fuel)|energon]]. [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] refers to this as &quot;over-energizing&quot;.<br /> * In the UK comic, the [[Wrecker|Wreckers]] frequent a &quot;bar&quot; on Cybertron called [[Maccadam's Old Oil House]], where they consume high-grade energon, presumably for the purposes of getting intoxicated. [[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] and [[Darkwing]] pay a visit to this establishment in a later story, and get so hammered that they don't even notice [[Quickswitch]] fighting with some [[Mecannibal]]s.<br /> * In ''Beast Wars II'', [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] gets &quot;drunk&quot; on numerous occasions.<br /> * In the ''Beast Wars II'' manga, [[Lio Convoy]] gets drunk once and messes up [[Apache]]'s room.<br /> * The [[Constructicon (Animated) |Constructicons]] in ''Animated'', whose personalities are shout-outs to construction worker stereotypes, seem to drink oil the way humans drink beer. However, they never actually get drunk.<br /> <br /> ===Miscellaneous===<br /> [[Image:AutoBerserk OptimusPrime closedeyes.jpg|right|125px|thumb|Oh, my eyes!!]]<br /> [[Image:Cigarchomping.jpg|right|125px|thumb|Bet it's imported from Cubatron.]]<br /> * In the episode &quot;[[Auto Berserk]]&quot;, Optimus Prime's eyes are closed (apparently to shield them against the smoke) much like a human's when the Autobots stagger out of the fire and smoke of the Negavator's destruction.<br /> <br /> * [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]] once gets a cold, causing him to cough and have a fever, in an issue of the [[Victory (manga)|''Victory'' manga]]. {{storylink|The Star of Friendship, Jean and Star Saber!}}<br /> <br /> * [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]] got a bump on his head after being hit by Deathsaurus with a staff when they were young boys. {{storylink|The Star of Friendship, Jean and Star Saber!}}<br /> <br /> * [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] chomps on a sparkplug-like object like it's a [[cigar]]. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 5}}<br /> <br /> *[[Bumblebee (Animated)| Bumblebee]] has bandages wrapped around his middle after Sari is knocked out and the Autobots return to their base. {{storylink|TransWarped}}<br /> {{-}}<br /> <br /> ==Body parts==<br /> ===Teeth/tongues/eyeballs/eyelashes===<br /> * The [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 cartoon series]] is the only major piece of fiction to ''not'' present Transformers as possessing [[teeth]] and/or [[Tongue|tongues]]. The features appear in both the [[Marvel]] and [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] comics, ''[[The Battlestars]]'' manga, the ''[[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' and ''[[Beast Machines (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'' animated series (where teeth would even be knocked out on occasion), the ''[[Robots in Disguise (cartoon)|Robots in Disguise]]'' cartoon, and the [[Unicron Trilogy]] cartoons and comics.<br /> <br /> *There is a teardrop on young [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]]'s face after being beaten by Deathsaurus.<br /> <br /> *[[Lyzack]] sports some pretty heavy-duty eyelashes for her brief appearance in the ''[[Victory (manga)|Victory]]'' manga. So does [[Esmeral]]. {{storylink|Heroic! The Victory War}}<br /> <br /> *One of the most prevalent examples of this tradition is the [[Kiss Players (manga)|''Kiss Players'' manga]], in which a [[Legion]] character is equipped with a distinctive prehensile (and phallic) tongue.<br /> <br /> *In [[Spotlight: Hot Rod]], Hot Rod is shown to have what appears to be blast shields for his optics when he passes out after landing. Dealer's optics are mostly covered by his eyelids, so he looks half-passed out. ''Per an email query to IDW, their response is that Transformers do not have eyelids, that it's just artistic license.'' <br /> <br /> *The robots in the [[live-action film series]] have eyes designed to resemble cameras, enabling them to dilate and blink. The more human-like the robot, the more they are likely to have teeth. In the case of, say, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], his teeth are mechanical cubes overlaid on each other, while [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] has bona fide fangs. Optimus spits out a piece of his shattered faceplate in the second film, which is intended to resemble a boxer spitting out a tooth after a brutal match. ''{{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}''<br /> <br /> &lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> Image:Esmeryl-manga.jpg<br /> Image:LyzackEyelashes01.jpg|About 15 gallons of mascara for those things.<br /> Image:HotRodOpticShields.jpg|Hey, wake up!<br /> Image:Dealerseyelids.jpg|Got munchies?<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;&lt;/center&gt;<br /> <br /> ===Facial hair===<br /> {{Main|Facial hair}}<br /> <br /> * [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]], [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], [[Unicron]], and [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] all sport &quot;facial hair&quot; in the G1 cartoon. In addition to that, ''Energon''&lt;nowiki&gt;'&lt;/nowiki&gt;s [[Bulkhead (Energon)|Bulkhead]], the films' Optimus (who has a goatee), [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] and [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] and ''Animated''&lt;nowiki&gt;'&lt;/nowiki&gt;s [[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]], [[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]], and [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|the other Wreck-Gar]] all have varying amounts of facial hair. (The last of these was modeled after [[&quot;Weird Al&quot; Yankovic|his voice actor's]] own, prior to his appearance's overhaul.)<br /> <br /> ===Obesity===<br /> Although Transformers come in all shapes and sizes anyway, some characters have particularly round appearances that suggest something equivalent to human obesity.<br /> <br /> * [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] is virtually as wide as he is tall and is depicted as extremely round, with very short, stubby legs. It gives him more than a passing resemblance to a heavily obese person, or at best one of those huge, flabby, off-season wrestlers.<br /> * Much the same could be said of [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]. Being big-chassised is no excuse to let yourself go.<br /> * [[Ratchet (Animated)|''Animated'' Ratchet]] has a prominent gut that resembles a human paunch. Although ordinarily this might be considered merely a feature of his transformation scheme (ala [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]]), he is specifically designed to be a crotchety &quot;old man&quot; character, and in flashback sequences to his younger days in the Great War, he notably ''lacks'' said paunch.<br /> * [[Gnaw]]. Well, all the [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticons]], really, but seriously. It's kind of comically appropriate that the robots which do absolutely nothing but hang out and eat stuff all day are so roly-poly.<br /> <br /> ===Feminine Characteristics===<br /> [[Image:TM2 Blackarachnia.jpg|right|230px|thumb|I'd tap it like the fist of an angry god.]]<br /> There are several instances of female transformers whose bodies are designed with the explicit similarity to stereotypical human females. While this generally includes a more slender build (particularly a narrow waist) it also sometimes includes other characteristics which suggest a degree of gender dimorphism similar to organic races, although the purpose of this is unclear. <br /> <br /> Note, however, that there are [[Strika (BM)|certainly]] some [[Glyph (G1)|exceptions]] to [[Road Rage|this]].<br /> <br /> ''The real-world explanation to most of these exceptions are [[redecos]] of originally male toys.''<br /> <br /> ====Breasts====<br /> Some female Transformers, such as [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] and [[Elita One]] (not to mention the ''other'' [[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]] and [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Elita-1]]) have a protruding chest area that bears no apparent relation to their alt mode [[kibble]], but bears some vague resemblance to clothed human breasts, or a &quot;monoboob&quot;, if you will. Some females even have two separate and even more distinctly rounded breast-like protuberances, particularly in their fictional depictions. [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]], [[Antagony]] and [[Beta]] all fall into this category. One, [[Thunderblast (Decepticon)| Thunderblast]], even has [[:Image:ThunderblastBoobsAndNipples01.jpg|visible nipples]]. ''(You're going to look, aren't you...?)''<br /> <br /> ====Lips====<br /> [[Image:G1 Silverbolt cartoon.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Though not female, [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]]'s got &lt;s&gt;sexy&lt;/s&gt; nice lips.]]<br /> Another common feature to denote gender in some female Transfomers (mostly only in the fiction) is distinctly fuller, plumper lips than is standard, such as Blackarachnia's in ''Beast Wars''. Sometimes, however, they will additionally have red or otherwise different/darker colouration to their lips, with an evident similarity to human lipstick. Such paint-mouthed hussybots include Blackarachnia in ''Beast Machines'', her [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|''Animated'' cousin]], and most [[Female Autobots|G1 Female Autobots]].<br /> <br /> ====Hips====<br /> [[Image:SpacePirates Arcee Bunsofsteel.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Dan Reed, you perv.]]<br /> <br /> :''See also the '''[[Humanization#Sexuality|Sexuality]]''' section below and the articles '''[[Female Transformer]]''' and '''[[Reproduction]]'''<br /> <br /> {{--}}<br /> <br /> ===Questionable body parts===<br /> [[Image:Powerglide heart.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Not [[Wikipedia:Astroboy|Astroboy]], we swear!]]<br /> <br /> * Nearly all Transformers seem to possess noses for no discernible functional reason, ''[[Beast Wars]]'' characters and movieverse [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] being exceptions. Movie [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] also notes that he can smell [[Sam Witwicky|Sam]] when the latter is trying to escape from him. [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] also notes that he can &quot;smell&quot; [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]]. This would seem to imply that movieverse Transformers have a form of olfactory systems. The idea of noses is somewhat 'fixed' in [[Animated]] by having the noses visible be a part of the robot's helmets as opposed to being part of their face.<br /> <br /> * At the end of the G1 episode &quot;[[The Girl Who Loved Powerglide]]&quot;, [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] is seen to have the LED outline of a cartoon heart within his chassis. This is somewhat nonsensical even within in the context of the show (the contents of Transformers chest cavities had been shown several times before), and is doubtless merely meant as a one-off sight gag.<br /> <br /> * Although listed separately above, breasts would also fit under this category quite well, seeing as there doesn't appear to be any use for them on Transformers, other than to show them off.<br /> <br /> ;Brains<br /> [[Image:PredaBrain1.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Predaking: All brawn AND brains!]]<br /> <br /> * [[Predaking]] has an organic brain when he is sliced in half in the [[Enter the New Supreme Commander, Dai Atlas!|''Zone'' cartoon]].<br /> <br /> * [[Unicron]] also has an organic brain in the G.I. Joe crossover, [[Black Horizon, Part 2 of 2|Black Horizon Part 2]].<br /> <br /> ;Nuts and Bolts<br /> * [[Rattrap]] kicks [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] in the groin, causing apparent pain and giving him a high-pitched voice. {{storylink|Other Voices, Part 1}}<br /> <br /> * [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]] has a pair of dangling wrecking balls in a...very unfortunate place. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}<br /> <br /> {{-}}<br /> <br /> ==Other biological functions==<br /> ===Sleep===<br /> * In the G1 comic, [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]] plays a prank on [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] while he was in &quot;rest mode.&quot; {{storylink|Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)|Trailbreaker's ''Universe'' profile}} [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] falls asleep and dreams (or rather, has a nightmare), an experience Prime refers to as an &quot;involuntary systems shutdown&quot;. {{storylink|Back from the Dead}} Skids is also seen to require a manually activated nightly shutdown to conserve energy. {{storylink|Heavy Traffic!}} Kup later attempts to rouse a vision-struck Optimus Prime by urging him to &quot;wake up&quot;—then reminds himself that &quot;we don't sleep!&quot; {{storylink|The Power and the Glory}}<br /> * In the Japanese ''[[The Headmasters (cartoon)|Headmasters]]'' cartoon, [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]] is able to use a form of hypnotism on the Autobots, which can include lulling them to sleep.<br /> * In ''[[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'', it has been firmly established that (perhaps partially due to their organic components), all Transformers within the cartoon sleep. Some prime examples of this are:<br /> **Megatron has been shown to sleep in the command chair of the ''Darksyde'', while his dino head mounted on the end of his arm stays awake, looks around, and smiles slyly. Wonder what it thinks about...<br /> ** Cheetor has been shown asleep at many points, complete with (occasionally prophetic) dreams. In &quot;[[Feral Scream Part 2]]&quot;, he also purrs when he's asleep. How cute!<br /> ** In &quot;[[Call of the Wild]]&quot;, the Maximals are kept awake for two days by the Predacons' non-stop attacks on their base, which exacerbate their beast instincts overriding their logic circuits.<br /> * In ''Beast Wars II'', [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] often nods off in a narcoleptic-like fashion.<br /> * In the ''Beast Wars II'' manga, Lio Convoy sleeps and has a nightmare at one point.<br /> * ''Armada'' [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]] is quite fond of catching forty winks when possible. [[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] does the same on one occasion. Armada Megatron is also seen asleep twice in the episode &quot;Rebellion&quot;.<br /> * ''Animated'' [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] enters a form of sleep he calls a &quot;stasis nap&quot;, during which he gets several parking tickets. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out}}<br /> * Also in ''Animated'', when the Autobots feel tired after drinking an oil-nog, they decide to go to sleep, pardon, to take a stasis nap. [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus]] even yawns. {{storylink|Human Error, Part I}}<br /> <br /> ===Aging===<br /> Some Transformers have been depicted as aging. <br /> <br /> * [[Image:Alpha Trion through the epochs.jpg|right|250px|thumb|]][[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] has been depicted in three different eras: 11 million years in the past, 9 million years in the past, and the present day. Though his [[character model]] undergoes many changes, his facial hair changes seem to mimic human aging. In his (chronologically) earliest depiction, he has a small black mustache. In his second depiction, his mustache has turned white. By the modern era, he sports a long mustache and beard.<br /> <br /> [[Image:MangaYoungDeathyStarSaber.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Young and Innocent]]<br /> * [[Emirate Xaaron]] couldn't transform anymore because he was old.<br /> <br /> * In an issue of the Marvel UK G1 comics, Kup's systems are going to shut down because he is too old.<br /> <br /> * [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]] and [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]] are depicted as &quot;child&quot; Transformers, complete with childlike temperaments, in flashbacks. {{storylink|The Star of Friendship, Jean and Star Saber!|The Star of Friendship, Jean and Star Saber!}} <br /> <br /> *Movieverse [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] has a cane and is rusting.<br /> <br /> {{-}}<br /> <br /> ===Sexuality===<br /> One of the most controversial aspects of Transformers is the idea of sexuality. While it is established in most continuities that Transformers do not reproduce sexually, most continuities nonetheless have distinctive male and [[Female Transformer|female characters]].<br /> <br /> [[Image:Sideburnhearts.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Sorry, Side Burn, I don't think Wedge rolls that way.]]<br /> The G1 cartoon brought the first official female Transformers into the canon, including [[Elita One]] and [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]]. The characters are noticeably more feminine in design and some have clearly defined romantic relationships with male Autobots. <br /> <br /> The issue becomes more complicated in ''[[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'', where the sexuality line is clearly defined. ([[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] has a particularly well defined female figure, including what appears to be an ample bosom) It is hinted on occasion that the robots may engage in activities resembling human sex acts. Rattrap offers to take [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]] to what sounds like a Cybertonian version of a strip club, and later slyly makes a double entendre regarding Silverbolt's suspected kinky activities with Predacon Blackarachnia. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part 1)}} In the Japanese ''[[Beast Wars Metals (franchise)|Metals]]'' dub, Rattrap, thinking himself about to be stabbed by Dinobot, asks him to &quot;be gentle, because I've heard the first time can hurt.&quot;<br /> <br /> In the original Japanese version of ''[[Energon (cartoon)|Energon]]'', [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Mirage]] displays romantic interest in [[Megatron (Armada)|Galvatron]], causing his comrades to regard him with minor confusion. The ''Energon'' dub seemed to do its best to skirt around this issue, with Mirage's exclamations either being about different things entirely or simple cheering on of his leader—but they couldn't do anything about the hands-clasped-beside-his-head-while-doe-eyed expressions, or the one time that he pirouettes and strikes a pose while surrounded by a giant, glowing, pink heart. ''Why'', Japan?<br /> <br /> ==Accents==<br /> {{Main|Accents}}<br /> <br /> ==See also==<br /> * [[:Category:Transformer anatomy|Transformer anatomy]]<br /> * [[Anatomic euphemism]]<br /> * [[Robot-fleshling romance]]<br /> * [[Reproduction]]<br /> * [[Relatives]]<br /> <br /> <br /> [[Category:Transformer anatomy]]</div>

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<p>Aureole: /* Central/Cerebral/Core processor */</p> <hr /> <div>'''Processors''' are devices which are used by [[Transformer]]s which process information and relate it to the individual mechanoid. Their increasing use in describing mechanoid anatomy (as opposed to attributing everything to [[circuits]]) can in some ways be attributed to the fact that writers within the Transformers franchise ''actually know how computers work now''.<br /> <br /> ==Processor types==<br /> ===Central/Cerebral/Core processor===<br /> <br /> It is very likely that Central processor, Cerebral processor and Core processor refer to the same thing, which we know as CPU (Central Processing Unit) of a computer, the mechanical equivalent of a biological brain. The CPU is the most important section of a computer and thus of a [[Transformer]], enabling it to process it's input and information. Without a CPU, a computer is unable to function. There are various instances where the Central-, Cerebral- or Core processor was mentioned:<br /> <br /> * [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] once commented that [[Chip Chase]] was a [[human]] after his own central processor. {{storylink|Roll For It}}<br /> <br /> * [[Lugnut]] in his fanaticism believed it in his central processor that [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] was alive. {{storylink|Lost and Found (episode)|Lost and Found}}<br /> <br /> * When [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] said that the [[Autobot]]s will not leave without [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], the Autobot leader told Ratchet that such a thought would never have entered his cerebral processor. {{storylink|Transformers: Ghosts of Yesterday}}<br /> <br /> * [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] noticed that the [[AllSpark Key]] had altered [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave's]] core processor beyond what he had originally intended. Additionally, [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] thought that [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] may have taken a few too many hits to his core processor. {{storylink|Sound and Fury}}<br /> <br /> ===Logic processors===<br /> Logic processors process the information a Transformer is receiving and determine how much sense it makes. How these correlate with [[Circuits|logic circuits]] is unstated. When [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] was attacked by the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dynobots]], he shut down his logic processor and allowed a &quot;rage&quot; program to take control, letting him win the battle. {{storylink|Spotlight: Shockwave}}<br /> <br /> After viewing the ''[[Ghost 1]]'', [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] became convinced that his logic processors were malfunctioning, even though nothing was wrong with them. {{storylink|Transformers: Ghosts of Yesterday}}<br /> <br /> ===Meta processors===<br /> Meta processors are processors which process a Transformer's conception of reality itself. After his stint on the plasma baths of [[Thrull]] {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5|FFOD5}}, [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron's]] meta processor was seriously embrittled due to the amount of time he spent on Thrull. It also drove him completely psychotic, to the point where he alternated his time between violently attacking the Autobots and violently attacking his own Decepticons. The psychiatrists of [[Torkulon]] attempted to repair his damaged psyche through every available means (except actually replacing the damaged parts of the meta processor) and eventually decided to let Torkulon itself consume Galvatron's meta processor and madness, which Cyclonus thought would rob Galvatron of everything he is. {{storylink|Webworld}}<br /> <br /> 'Meta processor' might be the [[Generation 1]] term for Cerebral processor, but it could also be just a part of it.<br /> <br /> ===Vocal processors===<br /> Vocal processors convert electronic data intended for verbal communication into audible signals and allow Transformers to speak to their comrades. Bumblebee's vocal processors were damaged in battle with [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]. Although he was still able to communicate through a number of internal frequencies, his lack of a voice made the Autobot feel as though he was failing his comrades. How these correlate with [[Circuits|oral circuits]] is unknown. {{storylink|Transformers: Ghosts of Yesterday}}<br /> <br /> {{stub}}<br /> <br /> ==See also==<br /> *[[Circuits]]<br /> *[[Programs]]<br /> *[[Sensors]]<br /> *[[Systems]]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Transformer anatomy]]</div>

Aureole https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Processor&diff=367182 2009-09-18T21:58:00Z

<p>Aureole: /* Processor types */</p> <hr /> <div>'''Processors''' are devices which are used by [[Transformer]]s which process information and relate it to the individual mechanoid. Their increasing use in describing mechanoid anatomy (as opposed to attributing everything to [[circuits]]) can in some ways be attributed to the fact that writers within the Transformers franchise ''actually know how computers work now''.<br /> <br /> ==Processor types==<br /> ===Central/Cerebral/Core processor===<br /> <br /> It is very likely that Central processor, Cerebral processor and Core processor refer to the same thing, which we know as CPU (Central Processing Unit) of a computer, the mechanical equivalent of a biological brain. The CPU is the most important section of a computer and thus of a [[Transformer]], enabling it to process it's input and information. Without a CPU, a computer is unable to function. There are various instances where the Central-, Cerebral- or Core processor was mentioned:<br /> <br /> * [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] once commented that [[Chip Chase]] was a [[human]] after his own central processor. {{storylink|Roll For It}}<br /> <br /> * [[Lugnut]] in his fanaticism believed it in his central processor that [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] was alive. {{storylink|Lost and Found (episode)|Lost and Found}}<br /> <br /> <br /> * When [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] said that the [[Autobot]]s will not leave without [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], the Autobot leader told Ratchet that such a thought would never have entered his cerebral processor. {{storylink|Transformers: Ghosts of Yesterday}}<br /> <br /> * [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] noticed that the [[AllSpark Key]] had altered [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave's]] core processor beyond what he had originally intended. Additionally, [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] thought that [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] may have taken a few too many hits to his core processor. {{storylink|Sound and Fury}}<br /> <br /> ===Logic processors===<br /> Logic processors process the information a Transformer is receiving and determine how much sense it makes. How these correlate with [[Circuits|logic circuits]] is unstated. When [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] was attacked by the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dynobots]], he shut down his logic processor and allowed a &quot;rage&quot; program to take control, letting him win the battle. {{storylink|Spotlight: Shockwave}}<br /> <br /> After viewing the ''[[Ghost 1]]'', [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] became convinced that his logic processors were malfunctioning, even though nothing was wrong with them. {{storylink|Transformers: Ghosts of Yesterday}}<br /> <br /> ===Meta processors===<br /> Meta processors are processors which process a Transformer's conception of reality itself. After his stint on the plasma baths of [[Thrull]] {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5|FFOD5}}, [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron's]] meta processor was seriously embrittled due to the amount of time he spent on Thrull. It also drove him completely psychotic, to the point where he alternated his time between violently attacking the Autobots and violently attacking his own Decepticons. The psychiatrists of [[Torkulon]] attempted to repair his damaged psyche through every available means (except actually replacing the damaged parts of the meta processor) and eventually decided to let Torkulon itself consume Galvatron's meta processor and madness, which Cyclonus thought would rob Galvatron of everything he is. {{storylink|Webworld}}<br /> <br /> 'Meta processor' might be the [[Generation 1]] term for Cerebral processor, but it could also be just a part of it.<br /> <br /> ===Vocal processors===<br /> Vocal processors convert electronic data intended for verbal communication into audible signals and allow Transformers to speak to their comrades. Bumblebee's vocal processors were damaged in battle with [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]. Although he was still able to communicate through a number of internal frequencies, his lack of a voice made the Autobot feel as though he was failing his comrades. How these correlate with [[Circuits|oral circuits]] is unknown. {{storylink|Transformers: Ghosts of Yesterday}}<br /> <br /> {{stub}}<br /> <br /> ==See also==<br /> *[[Circuits]]<br /> *[[Programs]]<br /> *[[Sensors]]<br /> *[[Systems]]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Transformer anatomy]]</div>

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