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This is awesome. In a "so bad it's good" sort of way. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

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This is obviously an incomplete list. I also have some that were only repeated once, sometimes in differing forms, which I won't add to the page proper until we find at least one more iteration. If you can find more of any of these, feel free to add them.

Here's my remainder:

===WHOLE WORLD OF PAIN===
*"Get ready, quite literally... for a whole WORLD of pain!" -- Starscream, G2 #11
*"It's about PAIN, Megatron... here's a whole WORLD of it!" -- Starscream, TWWv1 #3

===DOWN TO EARTH--LITERALLY!===
*"Aww, did I bring the poor Autobot '''down to earth''' with a bump?" --'''Rumble, ''Transformers: Generation 2'' #6'''
*"Let's bring these latter-generation big shots '''down to earth'''!" --'''Skydive, ''Transformers: Generation 2'' #10'''
*"Bring him '''down to earth!'''" --'''Lio Convoy, ''Beast Wars: The Ascending'' #3'''

--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

:I'm waaaay too comfortable lying on my couch here to go upstairs and find the book and check, but I want to say Swoop did the whole "better to die than run" shtick when the Dinobots were fighting the demons in #76...? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 23:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::Indeed! Good memory. Hold on... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Now there are '''three''' phrases in which '''down to earth''' is meant '''literally'''.
--[[User:Jeff S|Jeff S]] 08:08, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

== Call me humorless if you wish- ==

Normally, I love the humor here. I like that we don't always take everything seriously. However, I think this article is taking things a little far. Boo to this section, basically. Boo-urns, in fact. It feels like it's trashing Furman for no good reason. And I've never heard ANYONE say- "Hey, a similar bit of dialogue in a Simon Furman comic! Must be a Furmanism!"

And, seriously,you don't think some of it is intentional (particularly issue 67)?

I just don't see how this has a place here. --DJ Convoy

:...I saw it as a celebration of Furmanisms, actually. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

::Pretty much. Furman is my main man. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:53, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure there's gotta be more IT NEVER ENDSes than the three I got, right? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 09:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
: Well, uh, I wasn't counting the IT NEVER ENDSes on purpose, because Furman does those on purpose, as an intentional self-referential running-gag to his original G1 send-off letter. I don't think it really belongs in this article, as such. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
::Well, being a cartoon-centric guy I didn't actually know what the original source of it was. It still strikes me as qualifying as a "Furmanism" though, albeit with a note in the article about it's origin and nature. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 17:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:::I'd never called them Furmanisms before now either, but I do now. As for disrespect... Well, I think a Transfan has to kinda be a Furman fan by definition really. --[[User:82.41.82.183|82.41.82.183]] 22:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
::::Not so. I'm a Transformers fan and I don't like Furman's writing much at all. However, I've heard the term "Furmanism" for years online, so it makes sense for this article to exist.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 23:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::You only "have" to like Furman if you like the print media. Certainly no one is mandated to be a fan of Flint Dille--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:11, 2 August 2007 (UTC).

== REAP THE WHIRLWILD ==

Simon must be a huge Young Guns fan. =D--[[User:Speedbreaker|Speedbreaker]] 04:24, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
:Isn't it from the bible though? "They sow the wind and reap the whirlwind", something along those lines? [[User:70.53.249.237|70.53.249.237]] 22:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I think this one is a little unfair - I bought a cheap pocket paperback X-Men compilation thing and Clairemont used this same phrase twice and only two issues apart. Rather than a Furmanism, it seems to be common comic-book language. [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 11:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

== On predatory birds and hovering thereof ==

Seriously, we really should include those. Yes, yes, it was only used one other time... but it's by far the most unique of them all. Also, hilarious. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 01:52, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Today while I was at work, I picked up the Transformers Movie Guide and pawed through it. I noticed for the first time this sentence talking about Megatron's alt mode:
*"Like some dread bird of prey, Megatron would hang suspended in the upper atmosphere, raining lightning bolts down on enemy emplacements while his drone (ground) troopers picked off any who attempted to flee or fight back."
--[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 23:44, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
:What I'm curious about is, is that close enough to count? If yes, we've finally reached the required three birds of prey. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 23:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
::I would count it! Sweeeeet. (Furman wrote it, right?) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:22, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
:::[http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Movie-Guide-Simon-Furman/dp/0756630134/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-1728203-3352961?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1191457670&sr=8-1 Non wiki-based proof] for you. We have an article for the book, but I'm sure you'd prefer a source that isn't editable. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 00:29, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
== Another Time And Place Furmanisms? ==
I seem to recall the Another Time And Place text story ending with the "It Never Ends" furmanism.. can anyone confirm? [[User:70.53.249.237|70.53.249.237]] 22:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
: It does. Though I'm still iffy on its inclusion in this article without some sort of disclaimer, as he purposefully includes it all the freakin' time (like even in the You Can Draw Transformers book) as some sort of calling card. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:42, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:: If he includes it on purpose, wouldn't that make it that much more a Furmanism?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 03:13, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
::: I think it would. [[User:70.53.249.237|70.53.249.237]] 03:17, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:::: In fact, we should have the article end with that section, with the last one being the one from the You Can Draw Transformers book. [[User:Kaosu Reido|Kaosu Reido]] 20:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
::::: He uses it in that book too? HAH! This article should totally do what Kaosu just said it should do. [[User:70.55.211.238|70.55.211.238]] 06:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Since "It never ends!" now is included, I should point out that there's another one, by Shockwave at the end of Time Wars. Don't have the book handy now, so I can't make an exact quote. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:10, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

== Down to earth ==

I spotted the phrase ''down to earth''--used in a '''literal''' sense--in two issues of ''Transformers: Generation 2'' (#6, "The Gathering Darkness"; #10, "War Dawn").

'''-Jeff Steele'''
: Those are already noted further up the page. Thanks, though! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

==Not exactly "fight and die"==
There's Crankcase's "Better to die a warrior's death than endure this ''mockery'' of life!" from "The Rise and Fall of the Decepticon Empire"... same theme. Usable? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:I'd say so. Look at the section, there are a bunch of em that are similar to "fight and die" but not 100% the same. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

== What Order Should They Be Listed In? ==

Given that we're dealing with a short list, I'm not sure the Furmanisms necessarily need to be in alphabetical order. (It's also not a list people are going to be looking things up in. ''"Hey, I wonder if 'In for a penny, in for a pound' is a Furmanism? I better look under 'I' . . . "'')
Opinions? [[User:JW|JW]] 15:08, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
:Alphabetical order is better than arbitrary. Though if I had to pick a different ordering system, I'd suggest the order in which they first appeared in fiction. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
::The order I was trying to put them in was not (quite) arbitrary. It was an attempt to tell a story as if two characters were talking in nothing but Furmanisms. (E.g., "It can be destroyed!" as a response to "What chance do we have?") This is, admittedly, quirky, esoteric, and serves no purpose but The Funny, but I'm not certain alphabetical order serves ''any'' purpose besides "not arbitrary". [[User:JW|JW]] 15:24, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
::Or, we could list them in the order they appear in today's Shortpacked . . . [[User:JW|JW]] 11:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I'd much rather they be in an order that's accessible to others. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:28, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Well, A) I was joking about Shortpacked. (By the way, keep up the good work.) And, B) a list of only ''ten'' items is accessible by default. It can be reviewed in seconds with a flick of the mouse. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:17, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
: I gotta say that I really liked having "IT NEVER ENDS" right next to "IT'S OVER - FINISHED!" [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 16:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::Heck, if we change the header from "OVER -- FINISHED" to "IT IS OVER -- FINISHED", we can do that, and keep Walky happy. One of the sample quotes uses "it is over", and another two use "it's over", so this is quite justifiable. [[User:JW|JW]] 16:18, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

==Furman sound effects==
Should we do a Furman sound effects article to accompany this? I'd love to see the instances of 'FFN' :D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:38, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
:I was just thinking the other day that we should include "GNNGH". --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 13:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you for replying. I had forgotten about this given that everybody else (who are vastly more well-versed in the comics than I) evidently couldn't be bothered answering. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Sadly, Furman stopped using SPOOMS! once we started asking him in person to use them more. We apologize. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:41, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::: A sound effects section should prolly be on this article. A steller example is Grimlock's Ff. Tt. Hf. etc. in the first ''The War Within''. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:59, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::Why did he stop? Did he realize you guys were lightly mocking his 'isms'? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Hey, what happened? I thought you guys LOVED Furman sound effects! If Furmanisms are good enough for catalogue, then sound effects should damn well be catalogued, too! --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:How would we categorize these? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:35, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::As in the type of article or within the article itself? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:40, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Within this article. I'm sure every story has some sort of sound effects. Are there particular ones Furman uses more than others? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:48, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::::SPOOM!
::::Unfortunately, this sort of article would require the services of somebody like Walky and his friends who, as I understand, are great fans of Furman's sound effects and speech patterns. My own knowledge is painfully limited. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:56, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

== Nemesis Pt 2 ==

as anyone checked Nemesis part 2 for Furmanisms? He did write it, after all. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:47, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
: I dunno about Furmanisms, but the angry shouting-at-the-sky speech about Tigerhawk's death Primal has just outside their base is pretty damn Furmanesque. It's so awesome to see Furman material acted out. But no specific Furmanisms come to mind... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:40, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

==A STING in the tail!==
This one pops up when Pincer transforms in.... issue #63? And again in the Magnus Spotlight. Can we get a third, do I hear a third, third third third? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 03:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

"Oww! There's just one thing wrong with your little sage, Decepticon. You see, this story has a '''sting in the tail!'''"

-Pincher, "Deadly Obsession" (''Transformers'' #64)

"And this little story has a '''sting in the tail!'''"

-Scorponok, ''Spotlight: Ultra Magnus''

"'''Sting in the tail''': The Dinobot called Snarl can transform into an armored stegosaurus. In battle, he swings his tail at the enemy."

-A brief description of Snarl in ''Transformers: The Ultimate Sticker Book'' (I'm sure [[Simon Furman|you know who]] had something to do with it!)

'''Jeff Steele'''

==He hesitates - and is LOST!==
"He hesitates - and is lost!" -- narrative box, UK #116
"It hesitated and lost EVERYTHING!" -- Dreadwind, UK #218

There's GOT to be one more of these.

== Time we weren't here ==

Hot Rod in Devastation #3, page 8.

This sounds vaguely familiar. Did it get used in Furman stories before? If yes, would it qualify for a Furmanism, or is it too generic?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 21:31, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:Having finally had the chance to read this issue I have to agree that line sounds very familiar, but I can't recall where from... And Nevermore, I think the way Furman says it is unique to him, I've never heard that type of phrase before he came about. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::Having not yet read Devastation #3, I can say that it's VERY familiar to me as a Furmanism, and I'm 99% sure we could find three examples somewhere. "Time I wasn't here," perhaps. Thing is, he uses so much English colloquialism that I'm rarely ever sure if his phrases are HIS or just from his dialect. "On balance, I prefer...." "My advice to one and all..." I'm not sure where to draw the line, ultimately. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 17:13, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

==Who are we to play god?==
- "This is hopeless! How am I to decide who deserves life the most? Who am I to play god?" -- Optimus Prime, UK #250 {{storylink|The Greatest Gift of All!}}
 - Prime to Omega Supreme {{Storylink|Spotlight: Optimus Prime}}
 - Doubleheader to Longtooth {{Storylink|Deadly Obsession}}
 - "Pray tell, Optimus Primal... how it feels to play GOD?" - Depth Charge {{storylink|Homecoming (Universe)|Homecoming}}
:-- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 05:22, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
::That one sounds like more of a genuine turn of phrase to me. If we can find many more than these three, I can be convinced it's an actual Furmanism, rather than just something people say. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:34, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

:::It is a phrase people use- but I'm pretty sure Furman hits it heavily. It might be worth referencing ''if'' you can find some stock intro format he uses before it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:54, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

==Things Fall Apart==
I noticed this while flipping through the DK Ultimate Guide the other day, and it seemed vaugely familiar. Wasn't it used in some semi-recent IDW comic? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] 13:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Coming_%28poem%29 "The Second Coming" by Yeats] gets quoted in a lot of places. Since it's not original to Furman, I don't think we can count it as a Furmanism. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:23, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:: I am clearly a literary idiot. Thanks! ...then again, if "Reap The Whirlwind" counts, and that's not something Furman came up with himself, should we discount "Things Fall Apart" if more examples can be found? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] 01:47, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Good question . . . let's first see if he does use "things fall apart" the requisite three times . . . [[User:JW|JW]] 03:28, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::This is used in Regeneration One 80.5 and several other places. I think it should count. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 01:07, 12 May 2012 (EDT)

==How many times?==
*"Again he has cheated death. A chance in a million has turned defeat into victory. How many more times, he wonders..." --Narration, [[...The Harder They Die!]]
*"Curse you, Optimus Prime! How many times? How '''many?!'''" --Megatron, [[Under Fire!]]
*"How many, eh? HOw many have to '''die''' for you to get your jollies? '''HOW MANY?'''" --Ratchet, [[A Savage Circle]]
*"How many times did we both die... only to live again? A vicious cycle from which there seemed no escape." --Optimus Prime, [[New Dawn#"Tales of Earth Part Four"|Tales of Earth, Part Four]]
*"''Curse you'', Rodimus Prime -- ''how many times must I destroy you?''" -- Galvatron, [[Rhythms of Darkness!]]
For your consideration --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Heh. I like the... insistence of the third one, put into context with the rest. But I'd still actually vote against this. It's just a little too generic - to my sensibilities, anyway. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 06:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:: I was wondering, which is why I didn't throw it in automatically. Let's see what other people think, and maybe someone can dig up more of these to solidify it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:23, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::: If we make it more specific and go with the "How many times? HOW MANY?" part, then I think we've got something. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 23:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

==DEAD wrong!==
* "Urr...if you think we're beaten, Autobot -- you're ''dead'' wrong!" -- Bludgeon {{storylink|The Lesser Evil}}
: Isn't 'dead wrong' a pretty common phrase?--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:56, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
::Yes, but not as a pun roughly translating to "you are wrong, and you are also dead." I haven't read the story in question, but it sounds like that's what he's saying. [[User:Caswin|Caswin]] 02:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

==What do you think you're playing at?==
*"Uhn! Blast it, Backstreet! What're you playing at?" -- Dogfight, "[[Race with the Devil]]"
* "Whaddaya think you're playing at, Inferno?" -- Broadside, "[[Survivors!]]"
* "''What'' do you think" "you're playing at?" -- Doubleheader, "[[Whose Lifeforce Is It Anyway?]]"
* "''Hey!'' What are you playing at, ''Nightbeat''?" -- Kup, "[[The Pri¢e of Life!]]"
: Totally vouching for this one, it's one of my favorite Furmanisms. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:56, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
: Furman may use this a lot, and he totally does, but I've been saying this all my life. It's a Britishism. I'm not a Brit, but I'm from Appalachia where we still use a lot of these older phrases...[[User:CleverThylacine|CleverThylacine]] ([[User talk:CleverThylacine|talk]]) 13:47, 14 January 2021 (EST)

==No! You're dead!==
* "No! Y-you were dead... I killed you!" -- Thunderwing, "[[The Big Shutdown!]]"
* "No! It - it ''can't'' be you... you're dead!" -- Ratchet, "[[Back from the Dead]]"
* "No! I saw you die, felt your ''aura'' leave its mortal remains! You were ''no more!''" -- Bludgeon, "[[End of the Road!]]"
* "YOU did this... but you're DEAD!" -- Dreadwind, "[[Race with the Devil]]" (cover)
* "No! It can't be you... you're dead!" -- Megatron, "[[Salvage!]]" (cover)
* "Nooo! You're - you're dead... ''dead!'' I saw you die!" -- Megatron, "[[Salvage!]]"

==Shattered Expectations==
Should there be some mention here about the reverse Furmanisms in the Shattered Expectations April Fools comic pages? - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

==Power Beyond Measure==
* "Flee! Power beyond measure, this one has! His light--hurts!" --Demon, re: ActionMaster Grimlock
* "I offer you dark secrets, whispers from the timelost past; power--BEYOND MEASURE!" --The Fallen

Okay, the last one isn't an exact quote, but the Furmanism was definitely carried over. And I'm naggingly sure I've heard it much more often than that....--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

== INTO ITS MAW ==

I know this has been used in several instances. Laserbeak thrown into Slag's maw in [[Dinobot Hunt!]], Prime plunging the Matrix into Unicron's maw, that creature with the matrix energy in it's maw. Any others? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 01:02, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:If we end up using it, it should be "ITS MAW", not "IT'S MAW". Possessive, not contraction. [[User:JW|JW]] 01:36, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::Agreed. Made a typo. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 01:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

== Putting our own house in order ==

I believe this one has been said enough times to qualify as one.
* Care to give us some examples, champ? [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 07:54, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

== Well and truly... ==

I think this qualifies. Furman's been hitting it really hard recently. I think we should starting collecting them!--[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 10:26, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

== ROTF Movie adaptation ==

Got the ROTF Movie adaptation trade from Target the other day. There are no less than three Furmanisms in it, four if we decide to add "well and truly".

However, do you think we should wait to see if any of these lines are in the actual movie, and thus probably not originally not written by Furman? I doubt it, but I guess we should wait to see to be safe.

*"Done"? I fear, Major Lennox...that it NEVER ends!"- Optimus Prime

*"Hm. Don't recognize the make and model, but I know the form. Time I wasn't he- AAAARGHHH!"- Jetfire ALMOST gets it out

*"This world and all on it...shall die SCREAMING."- The Fallen

--[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 10:31, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

== Not limited to just Furman? ==
In an issue of Anderson: Psi Judge (Posession, to be specific) from the Judge Dredd series, one of the characters used one of the popular Furmanisms. I checked, and the credits were by Alan Grant under the name R Clark. I'm not sure if this is worth a mention or not, and I'm not a contributor, so I'll just leave you guys with a link http://i25.tinypic.com/vql4is.png
:Thanks for pointing that out. It does bring up something I've wondered about in the past: Where's the line between "Furmanism" and "British colloquialism"? Or should we care at all? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:57, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
::I'd say "well and truly" is a borderline case. It's just a popular idiom over here - 14,500,000 results from Google would seem to back this up - rather than a phrase Furman invented to make robots sound cool. Does that matter? Maybe, because I'm thinking that beyond the IDWverse, there's probably a million examples to be found in Marvel UK, if not Furman's US run. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 04:13, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

== NO ONE GETS OUT ALIVE ==
* "DECEPTICONS- Let's hear the call... NO ONE GETS OUT ALIVE!" --Headstrong. [[Stormbringer issue 4]]
* "No Mercy!" "No Limits!" "No one... GETS OUT ALIVE!" --various Predacons. [[The Ascending issue 4|''Transformers: Beast Wars: The Ascending'' #4]]
* "That Said, However it goes... NO ONE gets out alive." -- Scorponok. [[Maximum Dinobots issue 3]]

No clue if this appears elsewhere, but it sounds like it should be a furmanism.--[[User:Tindalos|Tindalos]] 15:37, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

yeah, fairly certain i've heard this elsewhere too.--[[Special:Contributions/68.9.60.113|68.9.60.113]] 16:23, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

== -- Just ran out! ==

* "Predacons. Whatever period of grace we might've had -- just ran out!" --Bonecrusher. [[The Gathering issue 4]]

Ran across this, and I know I've heard something like it before. Going to start looking. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 07:14, 24 December 2009 (EST)

::Ooh, um, Gen 2 #9, if recall correctly too. On the very last page. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 11:21, 24 December 2009 (EST)
==Fall Damn you, FALL!==
Seen said by Megatron in Armada Worlds Collide arc by Dreamwave in issue #16 and in One of the Beast Wars comics by IDW (I forget where I saw it now.) I also feel I've heard it somewhere else before..but I figured sense both were clearly by Furman, sounds like a Furmanism to me.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
::Eh, probably too generic. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 07:45, 9 January 2010 (EST)
:::It's a reference to ''something'', isn't it? (*feels stupid for not being able to recall off the top of her head*) Mowry uses it in TotF #6, too, and it sounds familiar somehow. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 09:12, 9 January 2010 (EST)

[[Image:Battleofautobotcity.jpg|left|180px|thumb]]Yeah....

"Out of the way, Hot Rod!" 
"Fall! FALL!" 
"I would've waited an eternity for this. It's over Prime." 
"NEVER!"

Little familiar... --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 12:07, 9 January 2010 (EST)
:Yeah, I remembered ''that'' bit, but I meant this specific variation I could swear got used outside of the comics, too. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:26, 9 January 2010 (EST)

::The Fall, Damn U Fall, was used by Magmatron to Grimlock in [[Transformers: Beast Wars: The Gathering|The Gathering]] issue 3 or 4. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:34, 9 January 2010 (EST)

== End of the Road! ==

* [[End of the Road! (UK)]]
* [[End of the Road! (US)]]
* Cover of [[A Rage in Heaven!]]
* Also, as noted on the UK page, he also used it for the last issue of ''Dragon's Claws''.

Seems like Furman rather liked using that phrase whenever he had a finale, and considering half the characters turn into road vehicles, it's rather appropriate. --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 16:53, 25 September 2010 (EDT)
* He also used it in Devastation #3. It's apparently common enough that the LSotW paperback included a few references to it, in its rapid-fire [[Fisitronism]]s. --75.25.141.40 6:05, 28 June 2011 (EDT)

== THE TRUE MEANING OF POWER ==

* "It is time to '''educate''' you '''in ''the true meaning of power!'''''

Galvatron, [[Out of Time!]] (''Transformers'' #73)

*"I will show Starscream, or whoever has control of the Warworld, ''the true '''meaning''' of power.''

Jhiaxus, [[Dark Shadows!]] (''Transformers: Generation 2'' #11)

[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] 05:18, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

== Why? ==

Maybe its just that I didn't read much of the Marvel comic, but I don't really see the need for this page. Most of these are fairly standard pulp fiction cliches. "Reap the whirlwind" is even a Biblical quote! The only one that seems original to me is the "vast predatory bird". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:00, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
:Fans have had fun at the expense of these for years. Furman's acknowledged it in good fun. Seems important/notable enough for me. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 21:07, 29 September 2011 (EDT)

== Irrevocably! ==

I seem to recall the word 'irrevocably' being used a lot in Furman stories.{{unsigned}}
: I think we should probably require more than one word in our Furmanisms. There's a fuzzy line somewhere between "amusing" and "petty." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:40, 22 October 2011 (EDT)

== Got to-- SPOOM! ==

Where does "Got to-- SPOOM!" come from? It's referenced all over the wiki, but the links all point to the Furmanism page, and the only reference on the Furmanism page goes to Crossblades (G1), which just links back to Furmanism. Where did it originally come from? [[Special:Contributions/92.15.171.251|92.15.171.251]] 08:39, 17 April 2012 (EDT)
: It's a portmandeau of a "TIME I MADE A STAND" variant and a sound effect he used twice, where the sum of their parts recreates how Furman liked to kill folks in the middle of reacting to incoming bad guys. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:11, 17 April 2012 (EDT)

::Ah, thanks.[[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 17:07, 17 April 2012 (EDT)

== other writers? SG versions? enough already? ==

Does the word [[Furmanism]] only refer to instances actually written by [[Simon Furman]], with other writers' usages merely paying [[homage]]? Case in point: [[Dungeons_%26_Dinobots|Dungeons & Dinobots]] is written by [[Trent Troop]] and [[Greg Sepelak]], and has [[Carnivac (SG)]] saying "Come, villain! The Mayhem Suppression Squad has shown you its valor, ''[[Furmanism#CAN_I_DO_LESS.3F|can you not do more]]''?"

Speaking of [[Shattered Glass]], [[Furmanism#Notes]] notes that
*In the "[[Shattered Expectations (SG)|Shattered Expectations]]" April Fools comic, [[Goldbug (SG)|Goldbug]] uses a reverse Furmanism: "Once we have this secret technology the Decepticon insurgency will be FINISHED... OVER!" He later uses it (for real) in "[[Eye in the Sky]]". In later parts of the ''[[Shattered Glass]]'' universe, the Furmanisms begin getting not only flipped but fully mirrored.
Does that statement suffice for all SG Furmanismatics?

Does the [[Furmanism]] article have enough examples to illustrate the existence of the phenomenon, so not ''every'' [[Talk:Furmanism#ROTF_Movie_adaptation|example]] NEEDS to be listed?

--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 02:12, 4 February 2014 (EST)

== AS FAST AS I DARE ==

'''"I'm already going ''as fast as I dare'' in these conditions!"'''

[[Doubleheader]], [[Deadly Obsession]]

'''"I'm pushing it ''as fast as I dare'' right now!'''

[[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]], [[The Last Autobot?]]

'''"We're going ''as fast we dare''. We've had too many setbacks to rush things right now."'''

[[Abraham Dante]], ''[[Escalation]] #5''

--[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] ([[User talk:Jeff39042|talk]]) 05:34, 4 February 2014 (EST)

::Eh, seems like too common an expression, not specific enough to Furman. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] ([[User talk:Nu-Priest|talk]]) 12:00, 4 February 2014 (EST)

== Sheeagh ==

What the heck does that mean? {{unsigned|Skywarp Prime}}
:It's just a death scream. Also, sign your posts. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:59, 24 May 2019 (EDT)
Sorry about that.[[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 12:38, 28 May 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime

== DUMB ANIMALS ==
"Haw! It's come to something when '''Decepticon''' leaders start worrying about '''''dumb animals!'''''"

'''Ruckus, [[Deadly Obsession]]'''

"'''Hah!''' Look at them '''cringe''' and '''cower!''' Pathetic puddles of '''flesh!''' Humans--what a wholly '''forgettable''' form of life! Ironic then, that the key me winning the leadership of the Decepticons may well depend on one of these ''dumb animals!''"

'''Starscream, [[The Human Factor!]]'''

--[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] ([[User talk:Jeff39042|talk]]) 16:18, 28 January 2020 (EST)
: Can you find any more examples? We typically prefer to have at least three or four before considering it for the list. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 17:30, 28 January 2020 (EST)

== Primal Furmanism ==

What Furmanism is Primal saying in that image? ([[User:AutoTrooper2801|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801|talk]]) 19:09, 8 October 2025 (EDT))

Crazybolt (RID)

2025-07-11T03:12:28Z

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{{disambig2|the ''Robots in Disguise'' Decepticon|the ''Beast Wars Neo'' Predacon|Crazybolt (BW)}}
:''Crazybolt is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 franchise)|Robots in Disguise]] portion of the [[Aligned continuity family]].''

[[File:Crazybolt RID 2015 package art.jpg|400px|thumb|Don't stalk with your mouth full.]]
'''Crazybolt''' subscribes to a simple philosophy: speed. Everything in life should be about going as fast as you can and nothing should be slowing you down. On [[Velocitron]], this philosophy would allow Crazybolt to fit right in. But on planets such as [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] and [[Earth]], there are too many obstacles in the form of cities, natural terrain, and people. And to Crazybolt, there is only one solution to dealing with all obstacles impeding his speed: destroying them with his fiery breath and burning exhaust.

His [[Mini-Con]] partner is the ever-loyal [[Slicedice]], who is as dedicated to Crazybolt as his master is to speed. He is also associated with the [[Cyclone]]s [[Hammer (RID)|Hammer]] and [[Ransack (RID Mini-Con)|Ransack]].

{{bigquote|Illumination through acceleration!|Crazybolt|"[[Suspended]]"}}

==Fiction==
===2015 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[James Arnold Taylor]] (English), [[Jin Yamanoi]] (Japanese)|[[Roberto Accornero]] (Italian), [[Olivier Francart]] (French, ''Suspended''), [[Tobias Lelle]] (German), [[César Filio]] (Latin-American Spanish), [[Krzysztof Szczepaniak]] (Polish), [[Seong-ho Shin]] (Korean)}}

[[File:TRID E 30 Crazybolt Robot Mode.jpg|250px|thumb|left|If anyone tells me to lick my eyeballs...they're dead!]]
An ex-drag racer, Crazybolt and Slicedice were arrested after Crazybolt leveled [[Steel City]], claiming that the buildings impeded his mobility. He was placed in a stasis pod and sent away aboard the ''[[Alchemor (RID)|Alchemor]]'', only to be freed when the ship crashed on [[Earth]]. The duo continued their high-octane rampage across Earth's highways, although [[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]]'s team eventually tracked them down. The two fled; Crazybolt used a smokescreen to send Strongarm onto an overpass, distracting her while they made good their escape.

After some more driving, Crazybolt and Slicedice discovered a nature reserve. Slicedice, offended by the sign, goaded his partner into burning down the sign... and the entire forest, viewing it as an insult to their desire for unimpeded speed. Although Bumblebee and [[Grimlock (RID 2015)|Grimlock]] grappled with the Decepticons, they were unable to subdue either before the flames forced them to break off. The Decepticon duo took advantage of the fire and fled the scene. {{storylink|Suspended}}

[[File:MisdirectionCrazyboltBumblebee-Ride.jpg|275px|thumb|right|That's a...spicy meat-a ball!]]

The pair later met up with [[Scorponok (WFC)|Scorponok]] in a disused drive-in, awaiting a meeting with [[Steeljaw (RID)|Steeljaw]]. The surly Scorponok was swiftly irritated by their tardiness and their need for speed, not helped by Steeljaw's absence... and not realizing that Steeljaw had set them up to get attacked by the Autobots (who he'd set up to get attacked by Scorponok as a distraction for his own ends). Though eager to hit the pavement, Crazybolt was afraid enough of Scorponok to try and end the fight quickly, so he blasted Bumblebee with a burst of flame-breath. But the Autobot used Slicedice as an impromptu shield, and quickly got the upper hand on Crazybolt... but Scorponok had gotten the upper claw on Grimlock, forcing Bumblebee to back off. Bumblebee then used a little flim-flam to distract and confuse the Decepticons, setting them up for him and Grimlock to take them down. Crazybolt and the others were promptly locked away in stasis pods. {{storylink|Misdirection}}

Crazybolt's stasis pod was later taken back to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] by [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]], [[Windblade (RID)|Windblade]] and [[Ratchet (WFC)|Ratchet]]. {{storylink|Decepticon Island (Part 2)}}

==Games==
===''Robots in Disguise'' mobile game===
<center>
{|class="wikitable" border="5" style="width:65%"
|-
! scope="col" width="30%" | '''Version'''
! style="background: #00CCFF; color: black" scope="col" width="35%" | '''Unlock Cost (Energon)'''
! style="background: #BF00FF; color: white" scope="col" width="35%" | '''Unlock Cost (Ultra Sparks)'''
|-
|Starter
|500
|10
|-
|Deployer
|4000
|80
|}
</center>
Crazybolt speeds in to help fight off the [[Insecticon (WFC)|Insecticon]] clone army overrunning [[Crown City]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Robots in Disguise (mobile game)|''Robots in Disguise'' mobile game}}

==Toys==
===''Robots in Disguise'' (2015)===
[[File:RID15-Deployers-Crazybolt.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''(Hasbro Version Pictured)'']]
[[File:RID15-toy Crazybolt-Takara.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''(TakaraTomy Version Pictured)'']]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Crazybolt and Decepticon Hammer''' (Deployer, [[2016]])}}</ul>
:*''TakaraTomy name'': '''Crazybolt with Micron Ransack'''
:*''TakaraTomy ID Number'': '''TAV47'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': [[May 28]], 2016
:*''Accessories'': "Hammer" Mini-Con and armor sprue (Hasbro only), "Ransack" Mini-Con and armor sprue (TakaraTomy only)

: Part of the third and final wave of ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 toyline)|Robots in Disguise]]'' Deployers (and the only new toy in the wave), Crazybolt transforms from a horned lizard robot beast into a monstrous muscle car of probably-made-up model. As a Deployer figure, Crazybolt is designed to launch [[Cyclone|Cyclone-style Mini-Cons]] from his huge gaping maw/vehicle rear. This launcher will not work if the small "safety" trigger on his underside is not pushed in, either by setting him on a flat surface in vehicle mode, posing him low enough to the ground in robot mode, or by doing so manually in either mode.

: In an undocumented feature, he has the is the ability to attach Mini-Cons to the rectangular tabs on each of his shoulders.

: The Hasbro release of Crazybolt includes a white-and-red [[redeco]] of the Mini-Con [[Hammer (RID)#Toys|Hammer]] (though the box-art showed Hammer in the show-like red-and-blue deco from a Mini-Con 4-pack).

: Due to retailers in the United States discontinuing the Deployers assortment, the wave with Crazybolt was never released at brick and mortar retail in the US, and was only stocked by US-based online retailers following a massive delay. The set ''did'' see a release in various other markets more or less on schedule, though, such as...

: ...the [[TakaraTomy]] version, released in the fifteenth wave of ''Adventure'' product, which features a much more extensive and more show-accurate paint scheme (but still a little bit off). Instead of Hammer, he includes a slightly [[retool]]ed and [[redeco]]ed version of [[Ransack (RID Mini-Con)#Toys|Ransack]].

:Despite his primary partner being a Decepticon-aligned torpedo in the show, Crazybolt's toy is incapable of interacting with said variety of Mini-Cons.
{{-}}

==Merchandise==
===''Tiny Titans''===
[[File:TinyTitans-Series6-Crazybolt.jpg|right|thumb]]
*'''Crazybolt''' (Tiny Titans, 2016)
**''Series'': '''6'''
**''Number'': '''11/12'''

: Part of the sixth [[Blindpacking|blind-bagged]] assortment of ''[[Tiny Titans]]'', this version of Crazybolt is a small, minimally-painted soft-plastic figurine of him in his beast-bot mode.

: He comes with a trading card with a scan-badge for the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (mobile game)|''Robots in Disguise'' mobile game]], which unlocks a random amount of Energon "currency" and a randomized bonus power-up item.
{{--}}

==Notes==
* Crazybolt is female in the show's Hungarian and Brazilian dubbed versions.
* Crazybolt's [[character model]] was modified to make [[Flamesnort]].

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Crazybolt''' (クレイジーボルト ''Kureijīboruto'')

[[Category: Female Transformers]]
[[Category:Robots in Disguise (2015) Decepticons]]
[[Category:Variable gender characters]]

Talk:Bumblebee (film)

2025-06-03T21:23:09Z

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[[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers#Bumblebee|NOT CALLING IT A REBOOT.]] WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MOVIE.
==Lawsuit?==
So Hasbro just filed a Lawsuit with DC Comics for the Bumblebee Name. [http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/bumblebee-trademark-transformers-dc-comics-warner-bros-1202541577/] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 04:45, 30 August 2017 (EDT)
:Ah no wait, it's over. DC & Hasbro are cool. [http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/08/17/the-battle-of-the-bumblebees-is-over-hasbro-and-dc-comics-settle-bumblebee-trademark-dispute-370180] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 19:22, 11 September 2018 (EDT)

==To Scream or not to Scream==
Should Starscream be in the cast list here, when we've not actually had any official announcement/confirmation that the character in the trailer is him? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 12:58, 8 June 2018 (EDT)
:Nope. --[[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 01:11, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
::Aw, come on! Its quite obviously supposed to be starscream, the head design is a slightly more g1-ifies version of michael bay starscream. The colors of the jet (what can be seen of it) are starscream colors, red air intakes, white nose area, and even a orange cockpit. It is highly unlikely this starscream homage isnt him, its clearly a more g1-ified version of michael bay starscream. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:13, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
:::It's not uncommon for [[Blackout (Movie)|movie]] [[Grindor (ROTF)|characters]] to [[Crankcase (DOTM)|not]] [[Berserker|be]] who you think they are. Until Starscream is officially confirmed, we gotta play it safe. [[User:Ikkad|Ikkad]] ([[User talk:Ikkad|talk]]) 14:14, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
::: Only one [[Barricade (Movie)|decepticon]] has been confirmed for the movie. Starscream has not been confirmed yet. [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 19:34, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
Get rekt, it’s confirmed as screamer now! [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 08:24, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
:The rudeness is hardly necessary. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:51, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
Sorry, I meant it in a friendlier manner. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:53, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

The reason they had to make an official announcement was because you people kept speculating that it wasn't Starscream when it blattantly was. It's a soft reboot. He doesn't have to turn into a Dorito F-22 to be the same character. This has been common knowledge for months.[[User:Leo1452|King Kid]] ([[User talk:Leo1452|talk]]) 12:03, 28 June 2018 (EDT)
:Well I for one have always enjoyed crow when topped with a little (Whataburger) ketchup. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:55, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

This just in: That Scream is now Blitzwing. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 07:48, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
:...that just in literally a month ago hence my last comment above. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 20:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

== /* Timeline and Continuity */ ==
This movie is a reboot because if not they should find the way to explain how Bumblebee fought in the WW2, because this movie is supposedly to be the first time Bumblebee came to Earth--[[User:Crosshairs|Crosshairs]] ([[User talk:Crosshairs|talk]]) 22:42, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
:Stop. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:29, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
Can somebody edit in the fact that this is now officially a reboot since Hasbro has now officially confirmed it? [[User:DrXshock|DrXshock]] ([[User talk:DrXshock|talk]]) 17:51, 17 February 2019 (EST) 22:50, 17 February 2019 (GMT)
==toyline?==
Is there a toyline? I know the movie has a while to release, but we knew about titans return about a year before release. Why do t we know about this toyline?
[[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

There might be. I have seen pictures showing a prototype of a volkswagen beetle Bumblebee ( redeco from TLK new bumblebee ) [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 20:29, 10 June 2018 (EDT

:The toyline will be absorbed into ''Studio Series.'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
==Is this really a reboot?==
I have heard that the reboot is cancelled, but the past events in the movies just don't match up.
Bumblebee went to earth with Hot Rod and fought in world war 2 (ww2) there. Instead the movie shows bumblebee's first time on earth.
So is this a start to the reboot or just a confusing event in the Bayformers Movies? [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 20:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
:Dude, it really doesn't matter right now, the movie isn't out yet. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

==bumblebee design==
Is it me, or does bumblebee kinda look like the cancelled alternators g1 bumblebee? If anyone else picks up on this, should we put it in the (currently nonexistent) trivia area that his design is possibly an homage to said toy? [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:55, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

==female Decepticon==
A youtuber, AndySupreme99, claims that he saw the trailer at Cinemacon. He says that there is a female Decepticon. Have any of you seen the trailer he mentioned?
:We obviously know now that this was referring to Shatter, but for the record, we need a better source than "This YouTuber says..." next time. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 01:19, 22 July 2018 (EDT)

==new characters confirmed==
The director has confirmed that Cliffjumper, Soundwave and Shockwave will be on Cybertron. [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 06:53, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
:Source? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 07:47, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
::When I googled, I found a bunch of excited fan videos pointing back to a wordpress blog which mentioned Travis Knight in terms of his appearance at San Diego Comic Con, and then launched into a bunch of other details that were not obviously sourced to anything Knight said. I don't think we should be inclined to add them based on that. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

::Now we all know that it is true because of the second trailer, but we should get an official source first next time instead of info from a fan made video. [[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:38, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

== Can we not add pages for background randos who may or may not be characters? ==
Have people already forgotten when everyone though Blitzwing was actually Starscream? We shouldn't be saying Acid Storm is in the film, when there's the possibility that the green dude might well turn out to be a completely new character. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:38, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
:Sorry, I should've probably just waited or not do it at all instead of telling people to delete if they didn't like it. But I didn't think it would be taken to this extent where pages were being made. Once again, I'm sorry for the inconvenience. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 23:09, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
::The first rule of wikis is that if there is a red link, *somebody* is gonna fill it. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 01:29, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

==To Scream or not to Scream Part 2==
This fits better here than on Bltizwing's article's talk page, where I'd posted it first:

''We're swiftly disabused of that notion thanks to a barrage of familiar faces including Decepticon premiereship players Shockwave, Starscream and Blitzwing, all in their original, first generation forms.''

This is obviously an incorrect take on the trailer, as Blitzwing is assuredly not there in his "original, first generation form." We therefore can't take the article's identification of Starscream as definitive, especially given that this isn't the first time we've seen a Starscream-looking dude in a trailer, and he turned out named something else. Note that Starscream is not mentioned in any of the article's direct quotes of Travis Knight. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 16:59, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:I understand what you mean, but in the background of the Shockwave shot, we see a bot that looks different than Blitzwing, and has more similarities to Starscream. We can especially tell because the international trailer shows us Blitzwing's body. If this ends being Blitzwing ''too'' (for some reason) than sure. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::We cannot positively ID that guy as Starscream at this point, certainly not based on a sentence that contains at least one clear error. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:37, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::Blitzwing being in his Generation One style form can just be the error, and that's it. And besides, if Starscream wasnt in the actual movie, wouldn't you think they would've scrubbed his name by now? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:49, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::A version of G1 Blitzwing does not appear in the trailer, and that mistaken impression by the author has not been corrected. That mistake renders the sentence unreliable. The author thinks that one Seeker on Cybertron is Starscream, and maybe it is, but we've been down the "this Seeker-looking dude is clearly Starscream" road once already, and we know how that turned out. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:58, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::One incorrect part of a sentence doesn't cancel out the whole sentence. It is true that Shockwave and other characters appear in their G1 style bodies. Let's get at a compromise. If the movie comes out and that Seeker in the background isn't Starscream, then, we remove it. But for now we keep it so we can remember. Dealio? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 18:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::No. What? No. When the movie comes out this'll all be moot. We're talking about what our articles are presenting to readers right now as confirmed facts about an upcoming release. And actually, yes, that one error does make the whole sentence unreliable, as it auggests that it's just the author's impression of the trailer and not info from an actual production source. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 19:13, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, let's just delete the Starscream stuff for now and see what happens. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:04, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::::Fine. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:17, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
Welp, looks like the new, short featurette made this guy look EVEN more like Starscream. By the way, I have "Starscream" hidden along with the other background bots; if the movie comes out, and it turns out this isn't Blitzwing or anyone else, then we can probably un-hide him, along with everyone else. Guess we'll find out soon! [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:48, 5 December 2018 (EST)

== Mr. Bee caption ==
I really don't care for it, but the context of that caption is that it's from the Bee Movie during the trial scene with Barry Vs. The Human Race. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:03, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
:I know what it's from, I just think it's gross.
:Also Sipher removed it once already, and he's an admin, so. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 11:15, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
::Yeah, I totally agree. Just figured I might add some context. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:07, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
:::Good news, its been taken care of in the form of the famous "You like Jazz?" [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 18:29, 17 October 2018 (EDT)

== Officialy Confirmed Characters ==
Recently characters like Arcee,Cliffjumper, Ratchet and Starscream were confirmed in an official featurette. Should we add them?[[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:17, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:I feel like at this point we can afford to wait three weeks for the film to actually come out before adding tons of characters to the cast list. We've previously had shots of characters in trailers/preview material which have not been in the finished film. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:28, 27 November 2018 (EST)
::Besides, just because someone looks like a character doesn't mean they actually are. Remember "Starscream"? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:30, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:::If the "featurette" is the video linked here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRFv6JVFApk Bumblebee - First Generation Design - Paramount Pictures UK], there is nothing in that video that confirms those characters. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:46, 27 November 2018 (EST)
::::Seems to be referencing this TFW2005 article about that featurette http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/11/27/transformers-bumblebee-designing-g1-featurette-jointhebuzz-377449 Which includes some blurry screenshots with background characters circled. Which is not confirmation of who these characters are, especially since you can barely see them. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 15:57, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:::::'''EDIT:''' Yeah, that. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:58, 27 November 2018 (EST)

==The novel==
Warning: Spoilers!

The movie novel confirms that there is one more human character named Sheriff Lock who chases Bee and the humans in a tunnel before Bee damages his cop car by jumping on the hood. We should add him because this is from an official source.[[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 11:00, 29 November 2018 (EST)
: Characters in novelizations don't always show up in the movie itself. There's no rush; we can wait a few weeks. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:02, 29 November 2018 (EST)

== The Hoover Dam in the Trailer. ==
This may be useless information, but it could also be of some interest to some.
I was born in Las Vegas and have lived here for most of my life.....I was born in the 70's BTW.
Anyways as a kid (and even now) I loved going to the Hoover Dam, so I know a bit about it's appearance throughout the years and decades.
So the movie takes place in 1988 right?
If that is the case the way the Dam looked in the trailer (I believe it was in the second trailer) is not correct for the time period.
The parking structure and new visitors center that can be seen on the west (Nevada) side the Dam in the trailer was built (added) in the mid 90's.
I did try to find some sample pics from the 80's online, but could not find any that were stamped for that time period. But I do have two post cards from my personal collection that I did get around that time, that shows how the Hoover Dam would appear in 1988. (I can send pics of them if need be).
So like I said this is not really important info about the movie, but I thought it should at least be said and addressed, you know for the whole "real world" "continuity" section or something. --[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 04:55, 3 December 2018 (EST)
:I would suggest waiting until after the film is released before adding any real-world comparisons like that, so as to make sure it accurately reflects the final version. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:11, 3 December 2018 (EST)
:I agree and that does makes sense, because they may change it, or perhaps the scene takes place at some other time period in the film, when I do see the movie I will let you know if it still is an issue. [[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 01:35, 5 December 2018 (EST)
:I just wanted to give a follow up to this subject that I began in the first place. I finally saw the movie, which was awesome BTW, and it seems that the shot of the Dam that was used in the trailer was NOT used in the final film, and the shot that was seemed to be done in such a way to not show any of those structures that I mentioned as being built after the 80's. So I have to say they (the director and editor) did a pretty decent job. --[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 03:04, 4 January 2019 (EST)

==thundercracker==
I’m not sure if it’s just a generic or not, but there’s a seeker colored suspiciously like thundercracker. Does anyone else think it’s thundercracker or is it just me? [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 16:35, 14 December 2018 (EST)
:Dude, just wait a WEEK and you can find out for sure. Geez, what is this obsession people have with playing "wow, that blur in the background looks kind of like random character number 382. If I squint."?--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:24, 14 December 2018 (EST)

==Open editing please?==
When will regular users be able to edit this? The movie's already out... [[User:Autoboty|Autoboty]] ([[User talk:Autoboty|talk]]) 05:18, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:"expires 21:17, 21 December 2018 (UTC)". It's only 6:30 am on the East Coast. Not many have had a chance to see it yet... - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 06:26, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:For Christ's sake, would it kill people to just wait a few days and then add information? This does not need to be immediately added; in fact, it's better that it's not, because it gives you time to write up a concise summary. Just...chill. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:01, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:The article is unlocked now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:03, 21 December 2018 (EST)

== New universe ==
Since the new film is clearly settled in a new continuity, should we move the new informations of the characters in a separate section in their own pages or create totally new pages ? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:Same page, we would only make a new page if it's a new continuity family. There is also a discussion on how to tackle the Bee movie [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#The Bumblebee Movie|here]]. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:26, 22 December 2018 (EST)

== Caption theme for this film? ==
So what is it this time around? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 00:33, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:It has been Bee Movie so far, don’t know if it’s going to change [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 00:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:Bee Movie. There can be only one. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 03:01, 27 December 2018 (EST)
::''Hey, I've never seen the Bee Movie. I had no clue!'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:::I hear it made a real buzz at the box office! - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:04, 27 December 2018 (EST)
::::I will kill you. --[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 12:05, 28 January 2019 (EST)

== Sector Seven's "first contact" ==
The Sector Seven unit seen in the film calls the entire Bumblebee/Blitzwing fight, and later the meeting with Shatter and Dropkick as "first contact", which seems to imply that this is the first time that Sector Seven has seen Cybertronians. But as we know, at that point in time, Megatron and the Allspark are very clearly in possession of S7. Currently, this is stated to be a continuity error... But is there a chance that the Unit involved under Burns doesn't know of the entire story behind Megatron? Remember, in TF1, Banachek, said that the entire footage acquired from Transformers was deemed "beyond Top Secret." Using real-life Top Secrecy protocols, it isn't hard to imagine that even S7 wouldn't tell their field teams what was going on in their secret base, either A. because they simply don't have to know, or B. in case of interrogation, the soldiers can't tell anything useful.

The same can be said of allowing Shatter and Dropkick inside Hoover Dam: the field team could know the HQ, but wouldn't know the entirety of the story. And of course, the files that Shatter/Dropkick search through could be doctored, with some sensitive information removed or placed behind bars, allowing access but keeping some of the files a secrecy. Traces of Cybertronian-originated tech inside the files could simply be replaced with the cover-up stories S7 has used before, possibly even to the field teams.

Just a theory based on real-life protocols, and some careful speculation.

[[User:Jirr'kel|Shockblaster's Hideout]] ([[User talk:Jirr'kel|talk]]) 07:34, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:Given they cut a scene they filmed showing frozen ('''G1''') Megatron, they may or may not have Megs and the Allspark in the *Bumblebee* continuity. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:05, 27 December 2018 (EST)

:Admittedly it's been a while since I watched the 2007 film, but Megs was (a) found frozen (and offline?) and (b) kept frozen (and offline?), right? So they can still have him in the freezer and consider this first contact, because it was the first ''actual'' contact, with the words and the talking. Like many things with continuity between these movies, I think it can work if you squint. A lot. --[[User:Guntrip|Guntrip]] ([[User talk:Guntrip|talk]]) 05:54, 28 December 2018 (EST)
::If I were Sector 7, I would not consider Megatron's body to be first contact. And as Travis Knight made clear in interviews, Megatron does not cameo in this film because he is meant to be frozen at the Hoover Dam when the film is set. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 12:39, 28 December 2018 (EST)

== Bumblebee's potential design change ==
Wasn't 100% sure if this was noteworthy enough to add, so I figured I'd bring it up here first. The more complex toys, namely the Studio Series and Masterpiece figures, depict Bumblebee as having the traditional "car wings"- this is an element that is present in some promotional material as well, specifically with [https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6e/92/ed/6e92edad8057c2a68dee54513fd80a59.jpg Entenmann's products showing Bee with his "wings"], leading me to believe it was a minor design change late into the game and not the result of general kibble. In the final film, as far as I can recall, his doors are just folded onto his back to give him a cleaner look. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 20:37, 4 January 2019 (EST)

== Cliffjumper's cameo ==
So I could just start a revert war, because 'NO' isn't a real persuasive argument, but I'll do this instead, 'cause I think I got a solid case.

In the last 20+ years of Transformers lore, Cliffjumper is famous for one thing and one thing only: showing up as a named, headlining character in a flagship TV show, only to be captured, interrogated and brutally murdered within minutes of his debut. This is ''by far'' the most distinctive and memorable thing the mythos-arc character of Cliffjumper has done. You gotta go back 35 years to him calling people traitor to find something similarly definitive.

Now for the movie scene on whatever moon it was, the writers could have chosen ''literally any character''. They coulda put Huffer or Gears or Cosmos or Windcharger or Blurr or Outback or a generic or ''anybody'' in that scene, but no. When they needed a character to be captured, interrogated, act defiant and get shockingly killed, they went to the one character whose ''defining trait'' is that he was ''captured, interrogated, acted defiant and got shockingly killed''.

If that seems like a reach, the bigger reach is saying that they just landed on that character ''totally by coincidence''; that out of 18 '84 Autobots and dozens of subsequent ones available, they just. so. happened. to pick that one, ''without'' being aware of his recent history. I don't buy that.

Now if we've heard from the scriptwriters or whoever added that character in there that, whoa, hey, wow, we had no idea that was a thing!, then that's different; but y'all gotta show me the money. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 12:46, 7 January 2019 (EST)
: Conversely, the interrogation scenes are different enough (Prime Cliffjumper gets his spark crushed, BB Cliffjumper is bisected) that I'd need to see it from the the scriptwriters that it was intentional. And being honest, I'm willing to be the reason why Cliffjumper was chosen to die was because he's about 95% the same model as Bumblebee's Cybertronian form, and thus was easy to do instead of some other all new guy.

: All in all, sometimes a similar scene is just a similar scene. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:42, 7 January 2019 (EST)

::I also call bull on the notion that Cliffjumper's "defining trait" is "get shockingly killed". On top of that, it further strains credibility of the claim to have just this one singular non-G1 non-movie reference out of aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall the past-TF references in the movie, especially when, as noted, it involves a recycled model for a scene that would almost certainly predate the reshoots and added Cybertron footage. In a movie where they actually re-create specific shots from the old animation, you'd think they'd have done that there too if they were actually making the reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:04, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:Rob, they used Cliffjumper because Cliffjumper can use the same Cybertronian body that they already modeled for Bumblebee. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 14:16, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:: Fair enough, outvoted etc.
:: Not sure this comment works as an explanation, though. Of course they reskinned a model where it was an option, but they coulda reskinned anybody. They coulda killed off Bluestreak or Smokescreen or Outback or an obscurity or a generic. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 18:11, 8 January 2019 (EST)
::: The expanded Cybertronian scenes were a later addition, and so Bumblebee's Cybertronian mode was likely available much sooner. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:34, 8 January 2019 (EST)

Even if the authors didn't intend it, it still happened. We're the ones who spot the similarities and I'm on board with noting it on the page, though using phrases like "...is similar to..." as opposed to "...is inspired by...". Same thing goes with "homage," which assumes deliberate planning. Two things can resemble each other either on purpose or by accident, it's still fair to point out the resemblence. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:54, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:That's always been something we've ''actively'' avoided doing. We even have a template for it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:06, 7 January 2019 (EST)
::And I quote...
{{Notareference}}
::-- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:24, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:::Yeah, we are not filling up our references sections with things that we merely find similar. That's not what the references section is for. That's why we have the template. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:27, 7 January 2019 (EST)

==Seekers==
It says dirge is in the film, the only conehead you see clearly (and even has a pic on this site) is green. Also, the purple seeker on Cybertron resembles slipstream in colors more than it does Skywarp. Hell, it probably isn’t even either character, just a generic. I think we should remove the seekers names from the characters list besides starscream, as the others aren’t named. While starscream isn’t named in the film, the shots on Cybertron resemble his g1 self and he is the closest standing to shockwave in the scene with the green cone head. Starscream, Soundwave, and shockwave are all Megatrons generals, so it would make sense for them to be together with Megatron being gone. As far as I’m aware, starscream is the only seeker that can be safely associated with an established character. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 09:14, 10 January 2019 (EST)
:Scroll down to Notes section. There's a reference to an EW article saying all the G1 characters in the opening Cybertron scene. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:33, 10 January 2019 (EST)
::I'm not sure how reliable that source is in this case. They can't spell Chris Latta. They state that the instructions for the coneheads were changed, when they were not. Various paragraphs mix the old toys and the new movies in confusing ways. And the quotation used to support Dirge's presence does not actually include his name, that is added by the author of the article and could be either saying that the specific conehead Dirge is in the movie or simply giving an example of a conehead from past fiction without saying what the names of any coneheads in the movie are (or even if they are named). Honestly, the writer needs to return not just the paycheck they received for that article, but also any and all diplomas, degrees, and certifications of education that they may have received. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:48, 10 January 2019 (EST)

So we can remove them from the list except starscream? He is thus far the only one who has enough to be inferred who he is. Just because he is named doesn’t mean it’s not him, shockwave goes unnamed in the film. See my first post if you are unaware of my reasoning. Sincerely [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 15:29, 10 January 2019 (EST)
:Shockwave is named in the credits, by the way. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:23, 10 January 2019 (EST)

Thundercracker, Skywarp, and Thrust are explicitly named in the ILM visual development page (https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece/). Thus, I'd assume that there has been confirmation on their identities. [[User:Ed|Ed]] ([[User talk:Ed|talk]]) 02:31, 20 May 2019 (EDT)
:Dude, you're responding to a 4 month old thread. We are aware of the ILM source. We discussed it over a month ago in the section "Entertainment Weekly". But, given the fact that all of those mentioned there show up in MULTIPLE copies, the specific characters cannot be said to be in this film. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:10, 20 May 2019 (EDT)

== Shatter/Dropkick tracking Bumblebee error. ==
(First post here forgive me if I'm doing this wrong)

So I was reading the error section for this movie specifically how it claims that Shatter and Dropkick were tasked with tracking down B-127, while they do that after they detect his signal while interrogating Cliffjumper I didn't see anything in the film that indicated that they were hunting down Bumblebee specifically before that moment, since they were trying to find Prime it seems more likely that the two Decepticons were just tracking down and interrogating any Autobot they could for Prime's location and so happen to be near Bee while they were interrogating Cliffjumper, although this is just a theory perhaps they were tracking down Autobots this exact way with finding one and detecting signals of other Autobots and repeat the procedure until they find Cliff, again this part is just a theory but regardless nothing in the film indicates that the two Decepticons were looking for Bumblebee specifically prior to the Autobot beaming his signal.

The Blitzwing part however is fine and correct since it isn't explained how he was already there, either he was already on Earth (I mean he is a Seeker and maybe Seekers seek other worlds which is what they did in ROTF although they are presumably separate from the more classic versions in this movie) or he took off after Bumblebee's pod immediately after they launched whether specifically looking for Bee or was chasing his pod by chance. Although those are theories and not fact. --[[User:Deadput|Deadput]] ([[User talk:Deadput|talk]]) 7:30, 12 January 2019 (EST)
:Yeah, I don't think the error as listed is correct. Shatter and Dropkick are hunting for Optimus, they happen to be interrogating Cliffjumper when they detect Bumblebee's signal and they go to find Bumblebee on the hunch he'll be more willing to talk. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:05, 23 January 2019 (EST)

== Just an idea ==
I don't know if there is a way we could do this but could we take a poll on whether people like the Bumblebee designs or the original movieverse designs better? Please don't hate me for this. I'm new here.--[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 12:09, 28 January 2019 (EST)
:TFWiki isn't the place for "social" stuff, that would be better suited for a Transformers discussion forum. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:54, 28 January 2019 (EST)

==Bumblebee's Place in Continuity==
It seems Hasbro referred to Bumblebee as [https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/02/16/transformers-brand-info-from-new-york-toy-fair-2019-fan-media-panel-hasbrotoyfair-383106 "a new storytelling universe" at the ToyFair panel over the weekend]. Now admittedly this statement is rather vague, but the general idea seems to imply the film is now a reboot, not a prequel to the Michael Bay franchise. I'm aware of the mass discussions in regards to the film's continuity prior to release, and I don't mean to dredge up old arguments, but I think this statement is atleast worth discussing. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 20:17, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:I don't see any point in discussing this until after the next movie.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:48, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:Christ, can people tamp down their continuity deckchair-shuffling boners for like three consecutive seconds. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:29, 17 February 2019 (EST)
::I guess you can say it's ''pretty hard?'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 22:43, 17 February 2019 (EST)
: Is [https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/travis-knight-talks-edits-continuity-and-turning-people-into-goo-in-new-interview/43204/ this good enough]? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 00:42, 11 April 2019 (EDT)

==Bumblebee Universal Designation==
Since the Bumblebee movie has been confirmed to be a reboot, and was obviously a new timeline in the first place, I propose we call the BB movie universe: Tyran 018.21 Delta. --[[User:Autobot62695|Autobot62695]] 15:03, 15 March 2019 (EST)
:We've already discussed this, including right above your post. The statement they made was too vague to actually pull anything definitive from, so we're not making any calls about whether the movie is a prequel or reboot (and therefore requires a new designation) until we know what the next movie is. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:28, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
::Also the movie is blatantly made to work either way (with allowances for how shoddy inter-film continuity is for the whole enterprise). If new movies do their own thing, that doesn't actually change how they approached and made this movie. And we're not using TT stream designations for anything anyway. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:32, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
:::That too. Unless something gets mentioned in future TransTech fiction (assuming there even is any), you probably won't see any new universal streams added to the wiki going forward. (Note that we don't have one for Cyberverse either.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:38, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
::::I don't see how it is vague. It was clearly confirmed to be a reboot. --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 15:36, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::No, it wasn't. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:14, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::Aside from any of that, [[Sector 7 Adventures: The Battle at Half Dome]] is tied to this movie and the previous ones. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:43, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

==Battletrap homage==
There's a note that states that Dropkick is an homage to Battletrap's appearance in "Cybertron's Most Wanted." Is there any evidence to back this up (say Travis Knight saying so like how he said Shatter is based on Nightbird), or is it just speculative? Because I don't remember hearing Mr. Knight saying anything about Dropkick's design. [[User:SoundJack426|SoundJack426]] ([[User talk:SoundJack426|talk]]) 10:57, 23 March 2019 (EDT)

== Entertainment Weekly ==
"An Entertainment Weekly article confirms some of the background characters in the scene set on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].<ref>[https://ew.com/movies/2018/12/22/bumblebee-spoilers-classic-transformers-opening-battle/2/ EW article on the Cybertron scene]</ref> "
Given all the errors in that article, I am tempted to just remove this from the page. How can we claim that it confirms anything when it gets so much wrong about the past? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:30, 24 March 2019 (EDT)
:I've pulled the note and removed the Seekers (other than Starscream) from the list. Find a source that is competent before re-adding. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:49, 27 March 2019 (EDT)
::[https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece From the horse's mouth.] Slide 28 concretely identifies them as such. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:49, 2 April 2019 (EDT)
:::Okay, that I can accept as a reliable source. The EW article I wouldn't even take as evidence for how to spell Entertainment Weekly, it was THAT bad.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:38, 4 April 2019 (EDT)
::::I wanna say that while obviously those Seeker colors were inspired by a few of the named Seekers over the years including being labeled as such in the concept art, I doubt those Seekers in the opening were those characters themselves only because the colors are reused for multiple Seekers, for example there are multiple "Thundercrackers" including the one Optimus pummels and the one Bumblebee knocks out of the way in vehicle mode before he knocks over and kills one of the many "Skywarps" in the scene, although it's possible any of these Seekers are indeed Skywarp,Thundercracker,Thrust,etc I'm not sure if that was the intent at the end, The colors I saw while watching a 4k version of the scene just today were besides the Thundercracker,Skywarp,Thrust ones there were the ROTF Dirge looking ones as well as an orange kind of Sunstorm Seeker that Bumblebee kicks a Skywarp head at and shortly before hand a mostly red Seeker in the background during the part where Bee knocks over two Seekers and finally there is a couple Seekers that uses Blitzwing's color scheme one of such is one of the Seekers that Prime shoots in the flashback and another is one of the many Seekers charging Prime at the end of the scene, funnily enough that one was right beside Shatter and Dropkick so that one might very well be Blitzwing himself but probably a coincidence, This fan made scale chart by Red Goblin (He's a very talented guy, I actually think he has some access or other to ILM renders, either that or he's really good at piecing together renders) while not an official source (probably) is a good film accurate showing of what colors were in the film. https://i.postimg.cc/2kRxjk5B/bumblebeeccons.png --[[User:Deadput|Deadput]] ([[User talk:Deadput|talk]]) 5:46, 4 April 2019 (EST)

==pics==
I get why all the pics are of the bot scenes...but shouldn't Charlie be in a few? Swapping the final image for example from one at the bridge to Prime and Bee seems to run counter to the fact that she's the the primary protagonist. {{unsigned|Eire}}
:I agree. At the moment the selection of screencaps is giving a completely inaccurate impression of the film. We have more screeencaps featuring Soundwave than we do of Charlie (and the one that does is just the back of her head). --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:33, 31 March 2019 (EDT)

== Digital comic ==
Question: the recent comic (Sector 7 adventures: the battle at half dome) released with the dvd has many elements that connect Bumblebee movie with the 2007 Transformers movie (like Banachek, Simmons's S7 t-shirt, Soundwave looking for the AllSpark, Megatron frozen etc...); so can we add those informations in this page? [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]), 24 April 2019
:That information would be better suited to a Battle at Half Dome page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:04, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
::Yes, I know I know, but what I was saying is that (for example) in the section "continuity notes" there is written that the S7 doesn't know the Cybertronians and there is also written a supposition that project Iceman is so secret that only a small portion of employees knows about it. I asked if there could be done a link saying these theory is supported by the comic. [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]), 24 April 2019
:::Probably not. I guarantee you the scriptwriters were not thinking about any comic adaptations when the movie was being written; in its own self-contained context, there is no explanation. Besides, if there's anything we've learned from the Bumblebee Prequel, it's that the events of a comic tie-in can't be treated as lining up precisely with, or having any influence on, movie canon. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:23, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
::::Ok thanks. {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:::::Just one last question: if what you're saying is true, why in Bumblebee's notes (character, not movie I mean) about his arrival on earth is made mention to the IDW comics? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
::::::Character articles cover all of a character's appearances in all works of fiction, even when they're incompatible with one another. Hence why the "IDW Comics" section is placed separately on the page from the "Movies" section. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:51, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
:::::::OK Thanks

== Escape Pods/Protoform ==
Does anyone else notice the Escape pods resemble the protoform reentry modes of the Michael Bay Movies? Would it be alright if I made a note of that in the Trivia section of the Protoform' page? Or is only having minor resemblance not conclusive evidence enough to make a note of it in the trivia section of that Protoform' page?

== The movie is no longer a prequel, it's a reboot ==

When the movie finally came out, it was declared to be a reboot officially. Shouldn't the page be altered to reflect that? Here is at least one source: https://comicbook.com/movies/news/streaming-june-2020-netflix-disney-plus-hulu-hbo-max/ --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 15:35, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:Please read the ''Bumblebee'' section on this page: [[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers]]. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:45, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
::Also, Bumblebee isn't even mentioned on that page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:12, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::Transformers isn't mentioned on that page, either. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:35, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
::::I assume they meant to link to [https://comicbook.com/movies/news/bumblebee-official-transformers-reboot-hasbro/ this], which is simply re-reporting the "new storytelling universe" quote which is already covered on the page Escargon linked to. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:14, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::And, even if it were completely out of continuity with the previous films, I can't see it as being separate enough to warrant splitting pages. It would still seem to fall in the same continuity family and would be covered on the pre-existing movie-verse pages just as the many separate G1 universes are covered on the same pages (barring splits for length). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 19:07, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

== How Peter Cullen was treated ==

Should we bring this up on how [[Peter Cullen]] was treated poorly in the film's production as he had to come in to voice Optimus for at least a day as he had to dub over the actor? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp25y0oLuO8&t=25s He confirmed it last year.]Energizier 20:34, 24 August 2021 (EDT)
:I believe someone added this to his page a while back and it got removed by an admin as it's not really relevant to anything and is seen more as "unnecessary shit-stirring" that could potentially fuel GEEWUN arguments. I'd say it would probably get rejected all the same here too. It just opens a huge can of worms that creates a lot of in-fighting within the fanbase. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 21:05, 24 August 2021 (EDT)
::Ah ok. My bad. It's been in mind for a few days. Energizier 14:51, 25 August 2021 (EDT)

== Possibly another Transformers Reference ==

Blitzwing holds Bumblebee in the canyon similar to how Starscream held Bumblebee in that Episode of Animated(I think the second Episode? But I could be wrong)

Then again it could also just be just a coincidence but still I figured I might point it out ([[User:AutoTrooper2801|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801|talk]]) 17:23, 3 June 2025 (EDT))

Dinobot (disambiguation)

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Whether an individual or a group, the name '''Dinobot''' conjures images of heroic heavy-hitters!

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==Major Dinobots==
<center><gallery widths="150px" heights="200px">
File:DinobotsG1.jpg|[[Dinobot (G1)|"Generation 1" Dinobots]]
File:Dinobotbwx.jpg|[[Dinobot (BW)|''Beast Wars'' Dinobot]] <hr>[[Dinobot (BW)/toys|Toys]]
File:BWUniverseDinobotIIModel.jpg|[[Dinobot II|''Beast Wars'' Dinobot II]]
File:DinobotsAnimated.jpg|[[Dinobot (Animated)|''Animated'' Dinobots]]
File:Transformers Prime Rage of the Dinobots.jpg|[[Dinobot (FOC)|''Fall of Cybertron'' Dinobots]]
File:Dinobots ready for battle AOE.jpg|[[Dinobot (AOE)|"Movie series" Dinobots]]
File:QuarrysQuarry triumphant team.jpg|[[Rescue Bot|''Rescue Bots'' Dinobots]]
File:RID-Grimlockvsscowl.jpg|[[Dinobot (RID)|''Robots in Disguise'' Dinobots]]
File:Cyberverse-TheImmobilizers-Dinobots.jpg|[[Dinobot (Cyberverse)| ''Cyberverse'' Dinobots]]
</gallery></center>

==Full list of Dinobots==
{{disamb|y=[[1985]]|The [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], an [[Autobot]] subgroup led by [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[1996]]|[[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]], the [[Maximal]] ''Velociraptor'' from ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=1996|[[Clone One]], aka the Dinobot Clone, a [[beast mode]] duplicate of the Maximal Dinobot from ''Beast Wars''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[1999]]|[[Dinobot II]], the Predacon [[Transmetal 2]] clone of the Maximal Dinobot from ''Beast Wars''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2000]]|The [[Dinobot (BM)|Dinobots]], a [[Maximal]] subgroup led by [[T-Wrecks]] from ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Machines]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2002]]|[[Dino-Bot]], the [[Go-Bot (species)|Go-Bot]] ''Velociraptor'' from ''[[Transformers: Go-Bots (franchise)|Go-Bots]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2003]]|''[[Transformers: Dinobots]]'', a Wal-mart [[exclusive]] series of toys, and the [[Dinobot (Dinobots)|Autobot subgroup]] that made the sum total of the line.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2004]]|Dinobots, the Japanese name for the [[Cruellock]] drones from ''[[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2005]]|[[Mega-Dinobot]], the combined form of the Autobots [[Grimlock (Energon)|Grimlock]] and [[Swoop (Energon)|Swoop]] from ''[[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2007]]|The [[Mini-Con]] [[Dinobot (Classics)|Dinobots]] team from ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2007|[[Dinobot (Transmetal)|Dinobot]], the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] [[Transmetal]] clone of the Maximal Dinobot from ''Beast Wars''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2008]]|The [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobots]], a trio of animatronic attractions that are turned into Autobots by Professor Sumdac from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2008|The [[Dinobot (SG)|Dinobots]], a group of artificially intelligent warriors from ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2010]]|The [[Dinobot (PCC)|Dinobots]], a team of drones controlled by [[Grimstone (PCC)|Grimstone]] from ''[[Power Core Combiners]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2012]]|The [[Dinobot (FOC)|Dinobots]], a team of Autobots from ''[[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|Fall of Cybertron]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2013|[[Dinobot (BWSG)|Dinobot]], the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] ''Velociraptor'' from ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2014]]|The [[Dinobot (AOE)|Dinobots]], a team of Autobots from ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (franchise)|Age of Extinction]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2014|The [[Dinobot (Kre-O subgroup)|Dinobots]], a group of Autobots from ''Kre-O''.}}
{{disamb|y=2014|Dinobot, the [[Decepticon]] name for [[Grimlock (Cloud)|Grimlock]] from ''[[Transformers Cloud|Cloud]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2014|Rescue Dinobots, the dino forms of some of the [[Rescue Bot]]s from ''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots (franchise)|Rescue Bots]].''}}
{{disamb|y=2015|The [[Dinobot (RID)|Dinobots]], a subspecies of Transformers from ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2017]]|The [[Mini Dinobot]]s, the baby versions of [[Grimlock (AOE)|Grimlock]], [[Slug (AOE)|Slug]], and [[Strafe (AOE)|Strafe]] from ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (franchise)|The Last Knight]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2021]]|The [[Dinobot (Cyberverse)|Dinobots]], an Autobot subgroup from ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (franchise)|Cyberverse]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2021|''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (toyline)#2021: Dinobots Unite|Dinobots Unite]]'', the subline imprint used for the fourth year of the ''Cyberverse'' toyline.}}
{{disamb|y=2021|''[[Transformers: Dinobot Adventures|Dinobot Adventures]]'', a small toyline centered on Dinobots.}}

==Media with "Dinobot" in the title==
{{disamb|y=1985|"[[Dinobot Island, Part 1]]" and "[[Dinobot Island, Part 2]]", the two-part episode of the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]].}}
{{disamb|y=1985|"[[Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 1]]" and "[[Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 2]]", another two-part episode of the G1 cartoon.}}
{{disamb|y=1985|''[[Dinobot War]]'', the ''[[The Transformers Adventure Game Books|Adventure Game Book]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[1994]]|"[[The Dinobots!]]", the comic story published in the [[The Official Transformers: Generation 2 Annual|Official Transformers Generation 2 Annual]].}}
{{disamb|y=1996|"[[Double Dinobot]]", the episode of ''Beast Wars''.}}
{{disamb|y=2008|''[[The Transformers: Maximum Dinobots]]'', the 2008-2009 [[IDW Publishing]] miniseries.}}
{{disamb|y=2012|"[[Transformers Prime: Rage of the Dinobots]]", the 2012 - 2013 IDW Publishing miniseries.}}
{{disamb|y=2012|"[[Return of the Dino Bot]]", episode 11 of the ''Rescue Bots'' cartoon.}}
{{disamb|y=2014|''[[Return of the Dinobot]]'', the book based on aforementioned episode.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2018]]|''[[The Transformers: Redemption of the Dinobots]]'', the IDW Publishing trade paperback.}}
*Stories and collections called "[[Dinobot Hunt (disambiguation)|Dinobot Hunt]]"

==See also==
*[[Dinobot Island (disambiguation)|Dinobot Island]].
*The [[Dinobot Crown of Leadership]], Grimlock's [[Transformer clothing|headgear]] from the [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]] comics.

==Not to be confused with==
*The [[Dinoforce]] from the ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (franchise)|Victory]]'' portion of Generation 1.

==Inspired by==
*[[Dinosaur (dinosaur)|Dinosaur]]s, prehistoric reptilian creatures.

Relatives

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[[File:PrimeDirective4 Cover SunstreakerSideswipe.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"You, Artist! Make me shinier!"]]
Throughout the [[Transformer]]s multiverse are many Transformers who consider themselves family and refer to each other as such. The most common case is when two Transformers regard each other as siblings. Transformers even occasionally express familial relationships with non-Transformers.

Given that Transformers are not organic life and likely do not [[Reproduction|reproduce sexually]], the origin, distinction, and exact meaning of many of these terms is frequently unclear.

Notably, a lot of Japanese-originated continuities have significant amounts of sibling relationships.

==Possible explanations==
Early on in the [[Letters page (Marvel UK)|letters page]] of the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel ''Transformers'' comic]], [[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]] asserted that Transformers have no relatives.<ref>[[Source:Soundwaves#Issue 32|Soundwaves, issue 32]]</ref> He later clarified that Transformer "brothers" are considered such due to being "vastly similar" in some respect, being "built to exactly the same specifications",<ref>[[Source:Soundwaves#Issue 37|Soundwaves, issue 37]]</ref> and/or having "an almost total similarity in bodywork design."<ref>[[Source:Soundwaves#Issue 51|Soundwaves, issue 51]]</ref>

The [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] ''[[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More Than Meets The Eye]]'' guide provides a partial possible answer. According to the guide, when a [[spark]] naturally splits as it's being introduced to a [[protoform]], it creates two robots who are "brothers", (or [[twin]]s), such as Sideswipe and Sunstreaker. When such a spark division is artificially induced, the less balanced and self-reliant pair created are referred to as [[Cloning|"clones"]]. (This definition of "brother" may or may not apply to [[Optimus Prime (RID)|RID Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (RID)|Magnus]], whose brotherhood was said to result from the special circumstance of having been created simultaneously by [[Alpha Trion (RID)|Alpha Trion]]).

However, the "[[Beast Era]]" widened the issue of reproduction with [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] referring to his "great-aunt" [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] and in general the practice of [[Maximal]]s and [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] referring to the [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s as their respective "ancestors", as well as themselves as being their "descendants", implying a direct [[DNA|genetic]] (for want of a better term) lineage. Various sources of debatable [[canon]]icity suggest that [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] is specifically descended from [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], usually through the phrase "his ancestor Optimus Prime". In the absence of [[Reproduction#Sexual reproduction|sexual reproduction]], the use and meaning of these genealogical references is difficult to explain. One possible explanation might be a situation such as when [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] is brought to life. Her spark and protoform are heavily damaged, and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] allows some of his parts to be used as replacements while [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] guides the procedure. {{storylink|The Spark}} To compare to [[human]] procedures, this is something like assisting with childbirth and donating blood or organs. It seems unlikely that this happened enough to cause two large societies to consider themselves "descendants" of two other large ancient societies.

Other family designations exist as well. [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] has "parents" who were lost in his crash on [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintessa]], according to [[The Story of Wheelie, the Wild Boy of Quintesson|some background material]]. The Mini-Con [[Twirl (Armada)|Twirl]] very specifically calls [[Falcia]] her "mother" (which Falcia ''hates'') and seems to treat [[Redline]] like a father, since the two's spark frame energies went into constructing her [[Structure|physical form]]. {{storylink|Linkage Part 7}} In the ''Armada'' cartoon, [[Side Swipe (Armada)|Side Swipe]] refers to [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] as his brother after Hot Shot saves his life, suggesting at least an understanding of the concept; on the other hand, the ''Armada'' cartoon is originally Japanese, and in [[Japan]], 'brother' and 'sister' can be used as terms of affection or respect to an unrelated person. The [[Unicron Trilogy continuity family|Unicron Trilogy]] universe has also used the term "cousin" for certain Transformers on occasion. The [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (manga)|''Victory'' manga]] from the Japanese Generation 1 era features Decepticon wives and children. Even the [[Transformers (film)|live-action movie]] features an [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] and [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] who are brothers, and it is mentioned in [[Transformers Autobots/Decepticons|the related Nintendo DS game]] that Megatron "took the spark" of their father.

The case of [[Hydra (G1)|Hydra]] and [[Buster (G1)|Buster]] from [[Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity]] is rare as they were originally human siblings before being converted into Transformers by [[Devil Z]]. {{storylink|Battle to the Death!! God Ginrai VS Darkwings Reborn}}{{storylink|The Birth of the Super Life-Forms}} Similar things happen to the case of [[Primus]] and [[Unicron]], who were originally astral being before they got trapped in planetoids and converted their "vessels" into planet-size Transformers. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}}

In the [[Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity]], [[Getaway]] remarks that his proto-hatcher would have been proud of him for making the most wanted list. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.2|The Age of Wrath #2}}

The [[2005 IDW continuity]] has [[Ratchet (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ratchet]] mentioning that his "''batch proto-initiator '''told''' me there'd be moments like this''...", when he was wondering if he should take the humans and investigate the bunker in Nebraska. {{storylink|Infiltration issue 3|Infiltration #3}} Later, [[Minimus Ambus]] described [[Dominus Ambus]] as his "spark-brother" and confirmed that they were members of the [[House (group)|House of Ambus]]. {{storylink|Remain in Light 2 of 5: House of Ambus|House of Ambus}}

In ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]'', [[Ironhide (Animated)|Ironhide]] mentions that [[Brawn (Animated)|Brawn]] is ''"his brother from another batch proto-initiator''..." {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II}}

==Notable siblings==
{{See also|Twin}}

===Generation 1 / Beast Era===
[[File:Rumble and frenzy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|[[FIRRIB|Can you guess which is which?]]]]
*[[Aquafend]] and [[Jetstorm (G2)|Jetstorm]] in ''Wings Universe''. {{storylink|Generation 2: Redux}}
*[[Arcee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Arcee]] and [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]] in the 2005 IDW continuity. {{storylink|Origin Myths}}
*[[Blaster (G1)#2005 IDW continuity|Blaster]] and [[Bluster]] in IDW continuity
*[[Blaster (G1)#Marvel Comics continuity|Blaster]], [[Toaster]], and [[Karmen]] in the [[Marvel Comics continuity|Marvel UK continuity]]<ref>[[Letters page (Marvel UK)|Darn 'n' Blast]], issues [[Source:Darn 'n' Blast#Issue 310|310]] and [[Source:Darn 'n' Blast#Issue 316|316]]</ref>
*[[Blot (G1)|Blot]] and [[Blip]]<ref>{{citesocial|quote=I think Blip would be really ticked off if I killed his brother.|link=https://twitter.com/TheJohnBarber/status/282262789031075840|name=John Barber|site=Twitter|year=2012|month=12|day=21}}</ref>
*[[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]] and [[Gravedigger]] {{storylink|Unearthed Future}}
*[[Cataclysm (BW)|Cataclysm]] and the [[Cub]] are fission-brothers. Presumably, here "fission" refers to [[Reproduction#Budding|budding]].
*[[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] and [[Darkwing (G1)|Darkwing]] in the 2005 IDW continuity<ref>"The Transformers" #7</ref>
*[[Electro]] and [[Volt]]<ref name="G2annual"/>
*The [[Thirteen]] refer to each other as siblings and are all the creation of [[Primus]]
*[[Fastlane]] and [[Cloudraker (G1)|Cloudraker]]
*[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] and [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]
*[[Gearhead]] and [[Greasepit (G2)|Greasepit]]
*[[Leadfoot (G2)|Hot Foot]] and [[Manta Ray (G2)|Piranha]]<ref name="G2annual">Crossword clues in the [[The Official Transformers: Generation 2 Annual]]</ref>
*[[Minimus Ambus]] and [[Dominus Ambus]] in the 2005 IDW continuity.
*[[Oiler]] and [[Slide]] in the 2005 IDW continuity. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 1: To Walk Among the Chosen|To Walk Among the Chosen}}
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] in the [[Dreamwave Generation One continuity]]. It might also be true for the [[Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity|(Japanese version of the cartoon continuity]]). {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 4|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #4}}
*[[Pounce]] and [[Wingspan]]
*[[Powerbomb]] and [[Dropshot (G1)|Dropshot]] in ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]''. {{storylink|Derailment}}
*[[Primus]] and [[Unicron]] and [[Gaea]]
*[[Rack'n'Ruin (G1)|Rack, Ruin]], and a third brother are triplets in IDW continuity. {{storylink|Omega's Conundrum}}
*[[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]] and [[Dinobot II]] were referred to as half brothers by [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]] because Dinobot contains part of Rampage's [[spark]]. {{storylink|Feral Scream Part 1}}
*[[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]] and [[Transmutate (BW)|Trans-Mutate]] in ''Beast Wars: Uprising''. {{storylink|The Inexorable March}}
*[[Roulette (Universe)|Roulette]], [[Shadow Striker (Universe)|Shadow Striker]], and an [[Roulette and Shadow Striker's sister|unnamed third sister]]
*[[Ruckus (G1)|Ruckus]] and [[Ground Hog]] in ''[[Of Masters and Mayhem]]''.<ref>TFSS [[Ruckus (G1)#Generations|Grabuge]] profile card</ref>
*[[Runamuck (G1)|Runamuck]] and [[Runabout (G1)|Runabout]].<ref>[https://hasbropulse.com/collections/transformers/products/transformers-generations-war-for-cybertron-deluxe-wfc-e37-runamuck|Hasbro Pulse page for Runamuck]</ref>
*[[Rumbler (G1)|Rumbler]] and [[Sprocket (G1)|Sprocket]] are twin brothers in the ''[[Transformers: Wings Universe|Wings Universe]]'' continuity. {{storylink|A Team Effort}}
*[[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] and [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]]
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] in ''[[Transformers vs. G.I. Joe]]'' continuity
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]] {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime}}
*[[Shouki]] and [[Yukikaze (G1)|Yukikaze]]
*[[Skyburst (G1)|Skyburst]] and [[Stormclash]] {{storylink|An Uneventful Night}}
*[[Springarm]], [[Wheelarch]], and [[Valve]]<ref>[[Macabre]]'s profile in the hardcover edition of ''[[The Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers]]''</ref>
*[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]] in the Dreamwave Generation One continuity
*[[Steel Jaw|Steeljaw]] and [[Sharpclaw]] {{storylink|Last Bot Standing issue 2|Last Bot Standing #2}}
*[[Sunder (G1)|Sunder]] and [[Sceptre]] {{storylink|Speak, Memory! (Part 2)}}
*[[Topspin (G1)|Topspin]] and [[Twin Twist (G1)|Twin Twist]]
*[[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] and [[Needlenose (G1)|Needlenose]] in the 2005 IDW continuity. {{storylink|The Transgressors}}
*[[Vanquish]] and [[Fireshot]] in the 2005 IDW continuity. {{storylink|Windblade vol. 2 issue 6|Windblade vol. 2 #6}}
*[[Eject (G1)|Eject]] and [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]] {{storylink|Decepticon Directive}}

;Japanese continuity

*[[Clampdown (G1)|Clampdown]] and [[Deep Cover]]
*[[Decibel]] and [[Legout]]
*[[DJ (BW)|DJ]], [[Motorarm (BW)|Motorarm]], and [[Gimlet]]
*[[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] and [[Grand Maximus]]
*[[Galvatron (BW)|BWII Galvatron]] and [[Megastorm]]
*[[Hydra (G1)|Hydra]] and [[Buster (G1)|Buster]]
*[[Leozack]] and [[Lyzack (G1)|Lyzack]] in the ''Victory'' manga
*[[Shouki]] and [[Yukikaze (G1)|Yukikaze]]
*[[Sixliner]] and [[Sixtrain]]
*[[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] and [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] (via ''[[TV Magazine]]'' [[story page]])

===Car Robots / Robots in Disguise===
*[[Gas Skunk]], [[Dark Scream]], and [[Slapper (RID)|Slapper]] (only in Japanese toy catalogs)
*[[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (RID)|Ultra Magnus]]
*[[X-Brawn]], [[Prowl (RID)|Prowl]], and [[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn]] — the [[Autobot Brothers]]

===Unicron Trilogy===
*[[Flashbang]] and [[Failsafe]]
*[[Hardtop (Cybertron)|Hardtop]] and [[Swindle (Cybertron)|Swindle]]
*[[Inferno (Energon)|Inferno]] and [[Rodimus (Energon)|Rodimus]] (toy bios only)
*[[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] and [[Overcast (Energon)|Overcast]]
*[[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]] and [[Landquake (Energon)|Landquake]]
*[[Leader-1 (Armada)|Leader-1]] and [[Clench (Armada)|Clench]] might be brothers {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye: Transformers: Armada|Clench's ''More Than Meets The Eye'' profile}}
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (Energon)|Ultra Magnus]]
*[[Shockblast]] and [[Six Shot (Energon)|Six Shot]]
*[[Signal Flare (Energon)|Signal Flare]] and [[Offshoot (Energon)|Offshoot]]
*[[Superion Maximus]] and [[Dauntless Maximus]]
*[[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] and [[Sunstorm (Universe)|Sunstorm]]
*[[Undermine (Cybertron)|Undermine]] and [[Repugnus (Cybertron)|Repugnus]]

===Go-Bots===
*[[Racer-Bot ALPHA]] and [[Racer-Bot BETA]]

===Live-action film series===
*[[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]], [[Chromia (ROTF)|Chromia]], and [[Elita-One (Movie)|Elita-One]]<ref>Internal to the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' film itself, both Chromia and Elita-1 are simply treated as components of Arcee instead of siblings.</ref>
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] mentions that [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]] and [[Sunstreaker (ROTF)|Sunstreaker]] are relatives and are "quite the pair".
*After [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] is killed, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] regretfully says to the body, "You left me no choice, brother."
*The original [[Dynasty of Primes|Prime]]s are referred to as brothers.<ref name="ROTFadapt">[[Revenge of the Fallen issue 3|Revenge of the Fallen #3]], [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|Revenge of the Fallen]]</ref>

'''Twins'''
*[[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]] and [[Onslaught (ROTF)|Onslaught]]
*[[Tread]] and [[Trample]]
*[[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] — [[Twins (ROTF)|The Twins]]

===Transformers Animated===
*[[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]] and [[Jetfire (Animated)|Jetfire]]
*[[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]] and [[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]] are both "brothers and friends".<ref>{{citesocial|quote=(Are Scrapper and Mixmaster brothers or friends?) Both!|link=https://archive.is/17zs0|name=Derrick J. Wyatt|site=Spring.me|year=2010|month=06|day=04}}</ref>
*[[Huffer (Animated)|Huffer]] and [[Pipes (Animated)|Pipes]]

===Shattered Glass===
*[[Jazz (SG)|Jazz]], [[Ricochet (SG)|Ricochet]], and [[Stepper (SG)|Stepper]]
*[[Sideswipe (SG)|Sideswipe]] and [[Sunstreaker (SG)|Sunstreaker]]

===Prime===
*[[Skyquake (Prime)|Skyquake]] and [[Dreadwing (Prime)|Dreadwing]]
*[[Sideswipe (WFC)|Sideswipe]] and [[Sunstreaker (Prime)|Sunstreaker]]

===EarthSpark===
* The [[Terran]]s all consider and refer to themselves with sibling terms.
*[[Swindle (ES)|Swindle]] and [[Hardtop (ES)|Hardtop]]. {{storylink|House Rules}}

==Parents and children==
===Generation 1 / Beast Era===
[[File:Yourmom.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|"Stampy, eat your roast carrot before it gets chilled."]]
*[[Big Convoy|Big Junior]] is the son of [[Blue Big Convoy]]. {{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)}}
*[[Buzz Saw (BW)|Buzz Saw]] and [[Venom (G1)|Venin]] were the sons of [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]]. {{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)}}
*[[Colada]]'s father is mentioned. {{storylink|A Battle Fought Alone}}
*Every member of the [[Dinoforce]] has [[Baby Dinoforce|children]] in the [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (manga)|''Victory'' manga]].
*[[Jaguar]] is the son of [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] in ''[[Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Metals (manga)|Beast Wars Metals]]'' manga continuity.
*[[Kitte Shūshū]] and [[Z Grill]] <ref>[[Andromeda - Axiom Nexus News Reporter]]</ref> are [[Stampy (BW)|Stampy]]'s parents.
*[[Lio Junior]] is the "son" of [[Lio Convoy]].<ref>Lio Junior was created by the influence of pure energy upon Lio Convoy’s [[Energon Matrix]].</ref>
*[[Longrack (BW)|Longrack]]'s father, grandfather, great-grandfather, and great-great-...well, a LOT of his ancestors are mentioned. {{storylink|A Battle Fought Alone}}<ref>Most of the main Maximals in the [[Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Neo (manga)|''Beast Wars Neo'' manga]] have families because they spring from whole races of rabbits, cobras, giraffes, etc. They were evolved into Transformers from actual organic animals in this story.</ref>
*[[Ma-Grrr]] is (presumably) the mother of [[Hun-Gurrr (G1)|Hun-Gurrr]]. {{storylink|At Fight's End}}
*[[Optimus Minor|Minor]] is the son of [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]]. {{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)}}
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] may have a mother.<ref>[[File:Optimusprime-mom.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Dear Son: Don't forget to close the fridge door.]]
In an advertisement for [[Pepsi Convoy]] that shows him in a refrigerator (along with [[Destron Pizza]]), a note attached to a nearby piece of tupperware reads:
:''Dear Convoy''
:''Warm it before you eat''
:''Mom''
:Although the ad itself is for Pepsi Convoy, he is a separate character, and it can be assumed that the note was left for Convoy/Optimus Prime himself.</ref>

*[[Quickswitch]] is [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]]'s son.<ref>Quickswitch's commercial</ref>
*[[Serpentor|Serpent O.R.]] is the son of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (or so he claims and nobody questions him on it) in the [[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers continuity|''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers'' continuity]].
*[[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] is the father of his [[Decepticon Mini-Cassette|Mini-Cassettes]] in ''[[Transformers vs. G.I. Joe]]''. {{storylink|Black Cybertron}}
*[[Speeder]] is the son of [[Dai Atlas (G1)|Dai Atlas]].
*[[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]]'s parents are mentioned in "[[The Story of Wheelie, the Wild Boy of Quintesson]]".

;Creators as parents
*[[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] is ("more than almost like a") father to [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] and [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]] in the cartoon continuity.
*[[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] is "father" to the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]] in the cartoon continuity.<ref>Nosecone's line "Are...are you my father?" {{storylink|Grimlock's New Brain}}</ref>
*The [[Titan (group)|Titan]] [[Navitas]] refers to [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] as "[[Caminus (Titan)|Caminus]]' sparkling". The term "sparkling" has been used in some parts of the [[fandom]] to refer to the idea of a Transformer child. This marks the first use of the term in official fiction; Windblade, like all Camiens, was born from the [[hot spot (phenomenon)|hot spot]] carried within her Titan. {{storylink|Race Against the Light}}

===Unicron Trilogy===
*[[Sideways (Armada)|Sideways]] calls out his mother when he's about to be blasted. {{storylink|City}}
*[[Starscream (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Starscream]] calls out his mother right before being pummeled into a planet by a moon wielding Primus. {{storylink|Titans}}

===Live-action film series===
*As was mentioned above, the live-action movie [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] and [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] had a father, whom Megatron presumably killed.
*[[Jetfire (Movie)|Jetfire]] alleges that he has a mother and a father. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen}}
*[[Hound (Movie)|Hound]] has a father who never called him. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|Transformers: The Last Knight}}

===Transformers Animated===
*In the Japanese dub of the ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)#Japanese release|Animated]]'' cartoon, [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] frequently calls for his mother when he's in distress.
**He also mentioned his mom after crashing into two security drones. {{storylink|Animated Comic issue 3}}

===Aligned===
*[[Scuzzard]]'s mama-bot told him not to play with his food, advice which he generally disregards. {{storylink|Bumblebee Versus Scuzzard}}

==Cousins==
===Shattered Glass===
*[[Crasher (SG)|Crasher]] and [[Blurr (SG)|Blurr]]

===Beast Era===
*[[Scuba]] and [[Ikard]]

===Unicron Trilogy===
*[[Bulkhead (Energon)|Bulkhead]] and [[Quickstrike (Energon)|Quickstrike]]
*[[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Overhaul]] and [[Brushguard]]
*[[Skywarp (Armada)|Skywarp]] and [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]]
*[[Swindle (Armada)|Swindle]] and [[Zapmaster (Armada)|Zapmaster]]

===Aligned===
*[[Fixit (RID)|Fixit]], [[Toolbox]] and [[Cinch]]

==Other relatives==
===G1/Beast era===
*[[Headstrong (G1)|Headstrong]] and his descendant.<ref name="pred_dofp" />
*[[Rampage (G1)|Rampage]] and his descendant.<ref name="pred_dofp">See "Items of note" in ''[[Dawn of Future's Past]]''</ref>
*[[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] calls [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] his "great-aunt".<ref>Rattrap said "What in the name of my great-aunt [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] is going on!?" This is an in-joke referring to [[Susan Blu]], who was not only voice director on ''Beast Wars'', but the voice of Arcee in the original ''Transformers'' cartoon series and [[Transmutate (BW)|Transmutate]] in the ''Beast Wars'' cartoon. {{storylink|Transmutate (episode)|Transmutate}}</ref>
*[[Scuba]] once mentioned his grandmother {{storylink|Galvatron Rampages}}
*[[Tantrum (G1)|Tantrum]] and his descendant.<ref name="pred_dofp" />
*[[Windbreaker]] was noted to be a relative of [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]]. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 45|Windbreaker bio}}
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] supposedly has a grandma <ref>The Latin Spanish American dub of G1 features a scene where [https://twitter.com/TF_Moments/status/1555403220280692736| Megatron insults Optimus Prime’s grandma]</ref>

===2001 ''Robots in Disguise''===
*[[Hot Shot (RID)|Art Fire]] and [[Optimus Prime (RID)|Fire Convoy]] are relatives.
*[[Midnight Express (RID)|Midnight Express]] may believe "[[Grandpa]]" is his Grandfather (both he and the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s actually seem to believe it's alive). {{storylink|Secret Weapon: D-5}}
*In the Spanish dub, after [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]] is cheered on by humans, he states through inner monologue that not even his granny has supported him like this. {{storylink|Sky-Byte Saves the Day}}

===Animated===
*[[Kup (Animated)|Kup]] has a nephew.<ref>Who, if a real grenade was below Kup, would have been sent a box of his struts. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II}}</ref>

===Revenge of the Fallen===
*The original [[Dynasty of Primes|Prime]]s had descendants, including Optimus Prime and Sentinel Prime.<ref name="ROTFadapt"/>

===Prime===
*[[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee]] mentioned [[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]] is related to her, or at least her "family" in the figurative sense of the word. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 1}}
*[[Dreadwing (Prime)|Dreadwing]] is the twin to [[Skyquake (Prime)|Skyquake]]. It is described as a "Split Spark" leading to Dreadwing knowing of his brother's death.
*[[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] once considered [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] his brother.
*The [[Thirteen]] ended up leaving behind a few descendants, some of which forming certain of the many variations seen in the Cybertronian race. [[Shifter]]s like [[Makeshift (Prime)|Makeshift]] are supposedly descended from [[Amalgamous Prime]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Exiles|Exiles}} And [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] is implied to be a descendant of [[Prima]] due to possessing a "Primian" polarity. {{storylink|Transformers Vault}}

===Ask Vector Prime===
*[[Vector Prime]] considered [[Adaptus]] and [[Mortilus]] to be "uncles", although owing to the complex origins of the Thirteen he was most likely speaking metaphorically.

===Aligned===
*[[Medix (RB)|Medix]] has a large extended family, including [[Ratchet (WFC)|Ratchet]] (uncle), [[Apax]] (great-aunt), [[Torquesteer]] (grandfather), and [[Wrench (RBA)|Wrench]] (second cousin). {{storylink|Tyrannosaurus Wrecked}}

==See also==
*[[Reproduction|Familial relationships]]

==Footnote==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Biology]]
[[Category:Lists]]
[[Category:Transformer culture]]

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[[File:PrimeDirective4 Cover SunstreakerSideswipe.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"You, Artist! Make me shinier!"]]
Throughout the [[Transformer]]s multiverse are many Transformers who consider themselves family and refer to each other as such. The most common case is when two Transformers regard each other as siblings. Transformers even occasionally express familial relationships with non-Transformers.

Given that Transformers are not organic life and likely do not [[Reproduction|reproduce sexually]], the origin, distinction, and exact meaning of many of these terms is frequently unclear.

Notably, a lot of Japanese-originated continuities have significant amounts of sibling relationships.

==Possible explanations==
Early on in the [[Letters page (Marvel UK)|letters page]] of the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel ''Transformers'' comic]], [[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]] asserted that Transformers have no relatives.<ref>[[Source:Soundwaves#Issue 32|Soundwaves, issue 32]]</ref> He later clarified that Transformer "brothers" are considered such due to being "vastly similar" in some respect, being "built to exactly the same specifications",<ref>[[Source:Soundwaves#Issue 37|Soundwaves, issue 37]]</ref> and/or having "an almost total similarity in bodywork design."<ref>[[Source:Soundwaves#Issue 51|Soundwaves, issue 51]]</ref>

The [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] ''[[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More Than Meets The Eye]]'' guide provides a partial possible answer. According to the guide, when a [[spark]] naturally splits as it's being introduced to a [[protoform]], it creates two robots who are "brothers", (or [[twin]]s), such as Sideswipe and Sunstreaker. When such a spark division is artificially induced, the less balanced and self-reliant pair created are referred to as [[Cloning|"clones"]]. (This definition of "brother" may or may not apply to [[Optimus Prime (RID)|RID Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (RID)|Magnus]], whose brotherhood was said to result from the special circumstance of having been created simultaneously by [[Alpha Trion (RID)|Alpha Trion]]).

However, the "[[Beast Era]]" widened the issue of reproduction with [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] referring to his "great-aunt" [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] and in general the practice of [[Maximal]]s and [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] referring to the [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s as their respective "ancestors", as well as themselves as being their "descendants", implying a direct [[DNA|genetic]] (for want of a better term) lineage. Various sources of debatable [[canon]]icity suggest that [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] is specifically descended from [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], usually through the phrase "his ancestor Optimus Prime". In the absence of [[Reproduction#Sexual reproduction|sexual reproduction]], the use and meaning of these genealogical references is difficult to explain. One possible explanation might be a situation such as when [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] is brought to life. Her spark and protoform are heavily damaged, and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] allows some of his parts to be used as replacements while [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] guides the procedure. {{storylink|The Spark}} To compare to [[human]] procedures, this is something like assisting with childbirth and donating blood or organs. It seems unlikely that this happened enough to cause two large societies to consider themselves "descendants" of two other large ancient societies.

Other family designations exist as well. [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] has "parents" who were lost in his crash on [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintessa]], according to [[The Story of Wheelie, the Wild Boy of Quintesson|some background material]]. The Mini-Con [[Twirl (Armada)|Twirl]] very specifically calls [[Falcia]] her "mother" (which Falcia ''hates'') and seems to treat [[Redline]] like a father, since the two's spark frame energies went into constructing her [[Structure|physical form]]. {{storylink|Linkage Part 7}} In the ''Armada'' cartoon, [[Side Swipe (Armada)|Side Swipe]] refers to [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] as his brother after Hot Shot saves his life, suggesting at least an understanding of the concept; on the other hand, the ''Armada'' cartoon is originally Japanese, and in [[Japan]], 'brother' and 'sister' can be used as terms of affection or respect to an unrelated person. The [[Unicron Trilogy continuity family|Unicron Trilogy]] universe has also used the term "cousin" for certain Transformers on occasion. The [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (manga)|''Victory'' manga]] from the Japanese Generation 1 era features Decepticon wives and children. Even the [[Transformers (film)|live-action movie]] features an [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] and [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] who are brothers, and it is mentioned in [[Transformers Autobots/Decepticons|the related Nintendo DS game]] that Megatron "took the spark" of their father.

The case of [[Hydra (G1)|Hydra]] and [[Buster (G1)|Buster]] from [[Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity]] is rare as they were originally human siblings before being converted into Transformers by [[Devil Z]]. {{storylink|Battle to the Death!! God Ginrai VS Darkwings Reborn}}{{storylink|The Birth of the Super Life-Forms}} Similar things happen to the case of [[Primus]] and [[Unicron]], who were originally astral being before they got trapped in planetoids and converted their "vessels" into planet-size Transformers. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}}

In the [[Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity]], [[Getaway]] remarks that his proto-hatcher would have been proud of him for making the most wanted list. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.2|The Age of Wrath #2}}

The [[2005 IDW continuity]] has [[Ratchet (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ratchet]] mentioning that his "''batch proto-initiator '''told''' me there'd be moments like this''...", when he was wondering if he should take the humans and investigate the bunker in Nebraska. {{storylink|Infiltration issue 3|Infiltration #3}} Later, [[Minimus Ambus]] described [[Dominus Ambus]] as his "spark-brother" and confirmed that they were members of the [[House (group)|House of Ambus]]. {{storylink|Remain in Light 2 of 5: House of Ambus|House of Ambus}}

In ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]'', [[Ironhide (Animated)|Ironhide]] mentions that [[Brawn (Animated)|Brawn]] is ''"his brother from another batch proto-initiator''..." {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II}}

==Notable siblings==
{{See also|Twin}}

===Generation 1 / Beast Era===
[[File:Rumble and frenzy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|[[FIRRIB|Can you guess which is which?]]]]
*[[Aquafend]] and [[Jetstorm (G2)|Jetstorm]] in ''Wings Universe''. {{storylink|Generation 2: Redux}}
*[[Arcee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Arcee]] and [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]] in the 2005 IDW continuity. {{storylink|Origin Myths}}
*[[Blaster (G1)#2005 IDW continuity|Blaster]] and [[Bluster]] in IDW continuity
*[[Blaster (G1)#Marvel Comics continuity|Blaster]], [[Toaster]], and [[Karmen]] in the [[Marvel Comics continuity|Marvel UK continuity]]<ref>[[Letters page (Marvel UK)|Darn 'n' Blast]], issues [[Source:Darn 'n' Blast#Issue 310|310]] and [[Source:Darn 'n' Blast#Issue 316|316]]</ref>
*[[Blot (G1)|Blot]] and [[Blip]]<ref>{{citesocial|quote=I think Blip would be really ticked off if I killed his brother.|link=https://twitter.com/TheJohnBarber/status/282262789031075840|name=John Barber|site=Twitter|year=2012|month=12|day=21}}</ref>
*[[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]] and [[Gravedigger]] {{storylink|Unearthed Future}}
*[[Cataclysm (BW)|Cataclysm]] and the [[Cub]] are fission-brothers. Presumably, here "fission" refers to [[Reproduction#Budding|budding]].
*[[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] and [[Darkwing (G1)|Darkwing]] in the 2005 IDW continuity<ref>"The Transformers" #7</ref>
*[[Electro]] and [[Volt]]<ref name="G2annual"/>
*The [[Thirteen]] refer to each other as siblings and are all the creation of [[Primus]]
*[[Fastlane]] and [[Cloudraker (G1)|Cloudraker]]
*[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] and [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]
*[[Gearhead]] and [[Greasepit (G2)|Greasepit]]
*[[Leadfoot (G2)|Hot Foot]] and [[Manta Ray (G2)|Piranha]]<ref name="G2annual">Crossword clues in the [[The Official Transformers: Generation 2 Annual]]</ref>
*[[Minimus Ambus]] and [[Dominus Ambus]] in the 2005 IDW continuity.
*[[Oiler]] and [[Slide]] in the 2005 IDW continuity. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 1: To Walk Among the Chosen|To Walk Among the Chosen}}
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] in the [[Dreamwave Generation One continuity]]. It might also be true for the [[Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity|(Japanese version of the cartoon continuity]]). {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 4|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #4}}
*[[Pounce]] and [[Wingspan]]
*[[Powerbomb]] and [[Dropshot (G1)|Dropshot]] in ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]''. {{storylink|Derailment}}
*[[Primus]] and [[Unicron]] and [[Gaea]]
*[[Rack'n'Ruin (G1)|Rack, Ruin]], and a third brother are triplets in IDW continuity. {{storylink|Omega's Conundrum}}
*[[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]] and [[Dinobot II]] were referred to as half brothers by [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]] because Dinobot contains part of Rampage's [[spark]]. {{storylink|Feral Scream Part 1}}
*[[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]] and [[Transmutate (BW)|Trans-Mutate]] in ''Beast Wars: Uprising''. {{storylink|The Inexorable March}}
*[[Roulette (Universe)|Roulette]], [[Shadow Striker (Universe)|Shadow Striker]], and an [[Roulette and Shadow Striker's sister|unnamed third sister]]
*[[Ruckus (G1)|Ruckus]] and [[Ground Hog]] in ''[[Of Masters and Mayhem]]''.<ref>TFSS [[Ruckus (G1)#Generations|Grabuge]] profile card</ref>
*[[Runamuck (G1)|Runamuck]] and [[Runabout (G1)|Runabout]].<ref>[https://hasbropulse.com/collections/transformers/products/transformers-generations-war-for-cybertron-deluxe-wfc-e37-runamuck|Hasbro Pulse page for Runamuck]</ref>
*[[Rumbler (G1)|Rumbler]] and [[Sprocket (G1)|Sprocket]] are twin brothers in the ''[[Transformers: Wings Universe|Wings Universe]]'' continuity. {{storylink|A Team Effort}}
*[[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] and [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]]
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] in ''[[Transformers vs. G.I. Joe]]'' continuity
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]] {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime}}
*[[Shouki]] and [[Yukikaze (G1)|Yukikaze]]
*[[Skyburst (G1)|Skyburst]] and [[Stormclash]] {{storylink|An Uneventful Night}}
*[[Springarm]], [[Wheelarch]], and [[Valve]]<ref>[[Macabre]]'s profile in the hardcover edition of ''[[The Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers]]''</ref>
*[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]] in the Dreamwave Generation One continuity
*[[Steel Jaw|Steeljaw]] and [[Sharpclaw]] {{storylink|Last Bot Standing issue 2|Last Bot Standing #2}}
*[[Sunder (G1)|Sunder]] and [[Sceptre]] {{storylink|Speak, Memory! (Part 2)}}
*[[Topspin (G1)|Topspin]] and [[Twin Twist (G1)|Twin Twist]]
*[[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] and [[Needlenose (G1)|Needlenose]] in the 2005 IDW continuity. {{storylink|The Transgressors}}
*[[Vanquish]] and [[Fireshot]] in the 2005 IDW continuity. {{storylink|Windblade vol. 2 issue 6|Windblade vol. 2 #6}}
*[[Eject|Eject (G1)]] and [[Rewind|Rewind (G1)]] {{storylink|Decepticon Directive}}

;Japanese continuity

*[[Clampdown (G1)|Clampdown]] and [[Deep Cover]]
*[[Decibel]] and [[Legout]]
*[[DJ (BW)|DJ]], [[Motorarm (BW)|Motorarm]], and [[Gimlet]]
*[[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] and [[Grand Maximus]]
*[[Galvatron (BW)|BWII Galvatron]] and [[Megastorm]]
*[[Hydra (G1)|Hydra]] and [[Buster (G1)|Buster]]
*[[Leozack]] and [[Lyzack (G1)|Lyzack]] in the ''Victory'' manga
*[[Shouki]] and [[Yukikaze (G1)|Yukikaze]]
*[[Sixliner]] and [[Sixtrain]]
*[[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] and [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] (via ''[[TV Magazine]]'' [[story page]])

===Car Robots / Robots in Disguise===
*[[Gas Skunk]], [[Dark Scream]], and [[Slapper (RID)|Slapper]] (only in Japanese toy catalogs)
*[[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (RID)|Ultra Magnus]]
*[[X-Brawn]], [[Prowl (RID)|Prowl]], and [[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn]] — the [[Autobot Brothers]]

===Unicron Trilogy===
*[[Flashbang]] and [[Failsafe]]
*[[Hardtop (Cybertron)|Hardtop]] and [[Swindle (Cybertron)|Swindle]]
*[[Inferno (Energon)|Inferno]] and [[Rodimus (Energon)|Rodimus]] (toy bios only)
*[[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] and [[Overcast (Energon)|Overcast]]
*[[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]] and [[Landquake (Energon)|Landquake]]
*[[Leader-1 (Armada)|Leader-1]] and [[Clench (Armada)|Clench]] might be brothers {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye: Transformers: Armada|Clench's ''More Than Meets The Eye'' profile}}
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (Energon)|Ultra Magnus]]
*[[Shockblast]] and [[Six Shot (Energon)|Six Shot]]
*[[Signal Flare (Energon)|Signal Flare]] and [[Offshoot (Energon)|Offshoot]]
*[[Superion Maximus]] and [[Dauntless Maximus]]
*[[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] and [[Sunstorm (Universe)|Sunstorm]]
*[[Undermine (Cybertron)|Undermine]] and [[Repugnus (Cybertron)|Repugnus]]

===Go-Bots===
*[[Racer-Bot ALPHA]] and [[Racer-Bot BETA]]

===Live-action film series===
*[[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]], [[Chromia (ROTF)|Chromia]], and [[Elita-One (Movie)|Elita-One]]<ref>Internal to the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' film itself, both Chromia and Elita-1 are simply treated as components of Arcee instead of siblings.</ref>
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] mentions that [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]] and [[Sunstreaker (ROTF)|Sunstreaker]] are relatives and are "quite the pair".
*After [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] is killed, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] regretfully says to the body, "You left me no choice, brother."
*The original [[Dynasty of Primes|Prime]]s are referred to as brothers.<ref name="ROTFadapt">[[Revenge of the Fallen issue 3|Revenge of the Fallen #3]], [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|Revenge of the Fallen]]</ref>

'''Twins'''
*[[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]] and [[Onslaught (ROTF)|Onslaught]]
*[[Tread]] and [[Trample]]
*[[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] — [[Twins (ROTF)|The Twins]]

===Transformers Animated===
*[[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]] and [[Jetfire (Animated)|Jetfire]]
*[[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]] and [[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]] are both "brothers and friends".<ref>{{citesocial|quote=(Are Scrapper and Mixmaster brothers or friends?) Both!|link=https://archive.is/17zs0|name=Derrick J. Wyatt|site=Spring.me|year=2010|month=06|day=04}}</ref>
*[[Huffer (Animated)|Huffer]] and [[Pipes (Animated)|Pipes]]

===Shattered Glass===
*[[Jazz (SG)|Jazz]], [[Ricochet (SG)|Ricochet]], and [[Stepper (SG)|Stepper]]
*[[Sideswipe (SG)|Sideswipe]] and [[Sunstreaker (SG)|Sunstreaker]]

===Prime===
*[[Skyquake (Prime)|Skyquake]] and [[Dreadwing (Prime)|Dreadwing]]
*[[Sideswipe (WFC)|Sideswipe]] and [[Sunstreaker (Prime)|Sunstreaker]]

===EarthSpark===
* The [[Terran]]s all consider and refer to themselves with sibling terms.
*[[Swindle (ES)|Swindle]] and [[Hardtop (ES)|Hardtop]]. {{storylink|House Rules}}

==Parents and children==
===Generation 1 / Beast Era===
[[File:Yourmom.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|"Stampy, eat your roast carrot before it gets chilled."]]
*[[Big Convoy|Big Junior]] is the son of [[Blue Big Convoy]]. {{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)}}
*[[Buzz Saw (BW)|Buzz Saw]] and [[Venom (G1)|Venin]] were the sons of [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]]. {{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)}}
*[[Colada]]'s father is mentioned. {{storylink|A Battle Fought Alone}}
*Every member of the [[Dinoforce]] has [[Baby Dinoforce|children]] in the [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (manga)|''Victory'' manga]].
*[[Jaguar]] is the son of [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] in ''[[Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Metals (manga)|Beast Wars Metals]]'' manga continuity.
*[[Kitte Shūshū]] and [[Z Grill]] <ref>[[Andromeda - Axiom Nexus News Reporter]]</ref> are [[Stampy (BW)|Stampy]]'s parents.
*[[Lio Junior]] is the "son" of [[Lio Convoy]].<ref>Lio Junior was created by the influence of pure energy upon Lio Convoy’s [[Energon Matrix]].</ref>
*[[Longrack (BW)|Longrack]]'s father, grandfather, great-grandfather, and great-great-...well, a LOT of his ancestors are mentioned. {{storylink|A Battle Fought Alone}}<ref>Most of the main Maximals in the [[Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Neo (manga)|''Beast Wars Neo'' manga]] have families because they spring from whole races of rabbits, cobras, giraffes, etc. They were evolved into Transformers from actual organic animals in this story.</ref>
*[[Ma-Grrr]] is (presumably) the mother of [[Hun-Gurrr (G1)|Hun-Gurrr]]. {{storylink|At Fight's End}}
*[[Optimus Minor|Minor]] is the son of [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]]. {{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)}}
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] may have a mother.<ref>[[File:Optimusprime-mom.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Dear Son: Don't forget to close the fridge door.]]
In an advertisement for [[Pepsi Convoy]] that shows him in a refrigerator (along with [[Destron Pizza]]), a note attached to a nearby piece of tupperware reads:
:''Dear Convoy''
:''Warm it before you eat''
:''Mom''
:Although the ad itself is for Pepsi Convoy, he is a separate character, and it can be assumed that the note was left for Convoy/Optimus Prime himself.</ref>

*[[Quickswitch]] is [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]]'s son.<ref>Quickswitch's commercial</ref>
*[[Serpentor|Serpent O.R.]] is the son of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (or so he claims and nobody questions him on it) in the [[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers continuity|''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers'' continuity]].
*[[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] is the father of his [[Decepticon Mini-Cassette|Mini-Cassettes]] in ''[[Transformers vs. G.I. Joe]]''. {{storylink|Black Cybertron}}
*[[Speeder]] is the son of [[Dai Atlas (G1)|Dai Atlas]].
*[[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]]'s parents are mentioned in "[[The Story of Wheelie, the Wild Boy of Quintesson]]".

;Creators as parents
*[[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] is ("more than almost like a") father to [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] and [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]] in the cartoon continuity.
*[[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] is "father" to the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]] in the cartoon continuity.<ref>Nosecone's line "Are...are you my father?" {{storylink|Grimlock's New Brain}}</ref>
*The [[Titan (group)|Titan]] [[Navitas]] refers to [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] as "[[Caminus (Titan)|Caminus]]' sparkling". The term "sparkling" has been used in some parts of the [[fandom]] to refer to the idea of a Transformer child. This marks the first use of the term in official fiction; Windblade, like all Camiens, was born from the [[hot spot (phenomenon)|hot spot]] carried within her Titan. {{storylink|Race Against the Light}}

===Unicron Trilogy===
*[[Sideways (Armada)|Sideways]] calls out his mother when he's about to be blasted. {{storylink|City}}
*[[Starscream (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Starscream]] calls out his mother right before being pummeled into a planet by a moon wielding Primus. {{storylink|Titans}}

===Live-action film series===
*As was mentioned above, the live-action movie [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] and [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] had a father, whom Megatron presumably killed.
*[[Jetfire (Movie)|Jetfire]] alleges that he has a mother and a father. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen}}
*[[Hound (Movie)|Hound]] has a father who never called him. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|Transformers: The Last Knight}}

===Transformers Animated===
*In the Japanese dub of the ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)#Japanese release|Animated]]'' cartoon, [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] frequently calls for his mother when he's in distress.
**He also mentioned his mom after crashing into two security drones. {{storylink|Animated Comic issue 3}}

===Aligned===
*[[Scuzzard]]'s mama-bot told him not to play with his food, advice which he generally disregards. {{storylink|Bumblebee Versus Scuzzard}}

==Cousins==
===Shattered Glass===
*[[Crasher (SG)|Crasher]] and [[Blurr (SG)|Blurr]]

===Beast Era===
*[[Scuba]] and [[Ikard]]

===Unicron Trilogy===
*[[Bulkhead (Energon)|Bulkhead]] and [[Quickstrike (Energon)|Quickstrike]]
*[[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Overhaul]] and [[Brushguard]]
*[[Skywarp (Armada)|Skywarp]] and [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]]
*[[Swindle (Armada)|Swindle]] and [[Zapmaster (Armada)|Zapmaster]]

===Aligned===
*[[Fixit (RID)|Fixit]], [[Toolbox]] and [[Cinch]]

==Other relatives==
===G1/Beast era===
*[[Headstrong (G1)|Headstrong]] and his descendant.<ref name="pred_dofp" />
*[[Rampage (G1)|Rampage]] and his descendant.<ref name="pred_dofp">See "Items of note" in ''[[Dawn of Future's Past]]''</ref>
*[[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] calls [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] his "great-aunt".<ref>Rattrap said "What in the name of my great-aunt [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] is going on!?" This is an in-joke referring to [[Susan Blu]], who was not only voice director on ''Beast Wars'', but the voice of Arcee in the original ''Transformers'' cartoon series and [[Transmutate (BW)|Transmutate]] in the ''Beast Wars'' cartoon. {{storylink|Transmutate (episode)|Transmutate}}</ref>
*[[Scuba]] once mentioned his grandmother {{storylink|Galvatron Rampages}}
*[[Tantrum (G1)|Tantrum]] and his descendant.<ref name="pred_dofp" />
*[[Windbreaker]] was noted to be a relative of [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]]. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 45|Windbreaker bio}}
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] supposedly has a grandma <ref>The Latin Spanish American dub of G1 features a scene where [https://twitter.com/TF_Moments/status/1555403220280692736| Megatron insults Optimus Prime’s grandma]</ref>

===2001 ''Robots in Disguise''===
*[[Hot Shot (RID)|Art Fire]] and [[Optimus Prime (RID)|Fire Convoy]] are relatives.
*[[Midnight Express (RID)|Midnight Express]] may believe "[[Grandpa]]" is his Grandfather (both he and the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s actually seem to believe it's alive). {{storylink|Secret Weapon: D-5}}
*In the Spanish dub, after [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]] is cheered on by humans, he states through inner monologue that not even his granny has supported him like this. {{storylink|Sky-Byte Saves the Day}}

===Animated===
*[[Kup (Animated)|Kup]] has a nephew.<ref>Who, if a real grenade was below Kup, would have been sent a box of his struts. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II}}</ref>

===Revenge of the Fallen===
*The original [[Dynasty of Primes|Prime]]s had descendants, including Optimus Prime and Sentinel Prime.<ref name="ROTFadapt"/>

===Prime===
*[[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee]] mentioned [[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]] is related to her, or at least her "family" in the figurative sense of the word. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 1}}
*[[Dreadwing (Prime)|Dreadwing]] is the twin to [[Skyquake (Prime)|Skyquake]]. It is described as a "Split Spark" leading to Dreadwing knowing of his brother's death.
*[[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] once considered [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] his brother.
*The [[Thirteen]] ended up leaving behind a few descendants, some of which forming certain of the many variations seen in the Cybertronian race. [[Shifter]]s like [[Makeshift (Prime)|Makeshift]] are supposedly descended from [[Amalgamous Prime]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Exiles|Exiles}} And [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] is implied to be a descendant of [[Prima]] due to possessing a "Primian" polarity. {{storylink|Transformers Vault}}

===Ask Vector Prime===
*[[Vector Prime]] considered [[Adaptus]] and [[Mortilus]] to be "uncles", although owing to the complex origins of the Thirteen he was most likely speaking metaphorically.

===Aligned===
*[[Medix (RB)|Medix]] has a large extended family, including [[Ratchet (WFC)|Ratchet]] (uncle), [[Apax]] (great-aunt), [[Torquesteer]] (grandfather), and [[Wrench (RBA)|Wrench]] (second cousin). {{storylink|Tyrannosaurus Wrecked}}

==See also==
*[[Reproduction|Familial relationships]]

==Footnote==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Biology]]
[[Category:Lists]]
[[Category:Transformer culture]]

Relatives

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[[File:PrimeDirective4 Cover SunstreakerSideswipe.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"You, Artist! Make me shinier!"]]
Throughout the [[Transformer]]s multiverse are many Transformers who consider themselves family and refer to each other as such. The most common case is when two Transformers regard each other as siblings. Transformers even occasionally express familial relationships with non-Transformers.

Given that Transformers are not organic life and likely do not [[Reproduction|reproduce sexually]], the origin, distinction, and exact meaning of many of these terms is frequently unclear.

Notably, a lot of Japanese-originated continuities have significant amounts of sibling relationships.

==Possible explanations==
Early on in the [[Letters page (Marvel UK)|letters page]] of the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel ''Transformers'' comic]], [[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]] asserted that Transformers have no relatives.<ref>[[Source:Soundwaves#Issue 32|Soundwaves, issue 32]]</ref> He later clarified that Transformer "brothers" are considered such due to being "vastly similar" in some respect, being "built to exactly the same specifications",<ref>[[Source:Soundwaves#Issue 37|Soundwaves, issue 37]]</ref> and/or having "an almost total similarity in bodywork design."<ref>[[Source:Soundwaves#Issue 51|Soundwaves, issue 51]]</ref>

The [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] ''[[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More Than Meets The Eye]]'' guide provides a partial possible answer. According to the guide, when a [[spark]] naturally splits as it's being introduced to a [[protoform]], it creates two robots who are "brothers", (or [[twin]]s), such as Sideswipe and Sunstreaker. When such a spark division is artificially induced, the less balanced and self-reliant pair created are referred to as [[Cloning|"clones"]]. (This definition of "brother" may or may not apply to [[Optimus Prime (RID)|RID Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (RID)|Magnus]], whose brotherhood was said to result from the special circumstance of having been created simultaneously by [[Alpha Trion (RID)|Alpha Trion]]).

However, the "[[Beast Era]]" widened the issue of reproduction with [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] referring to his "great-aunt" [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] and in general the practice of [[Maximal]]s and [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] referring to the [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s as their respective "ancestors", as well as themselves as being their "descendants", implying a direct [[DNA|genetic]] (for want of a better term) lineage. Various sources of debatable [[canon]]icity suggest that [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] is specifically descended from [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], usually through the phrase "his ancestor Optimus Prime". In the absence of [[Reproduction#Sexual reproduction|sexual reproduction]], the use and meaning of these genealogical references is difficult to explain. One possible explanation might be a situation such as when [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] is brought to life. Her spark and protoform are heavily damaged, and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] allows some of his parts to be used as replacements while [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] guides the procedure. {{storylink|The Spark}} To compare to [[human]] procedures, this is something like assisting with childbirth and donating blood or organs. It seems unlikely that this happened enough to cause two large societies to consider themselves "descendants" of two other large ancient societies.

Other family designations exist as well. [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] has "parents" who were lost in his crash on [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintessa]], according to [[The Story of Wheelie, the Wild Boy of Quintesson|some background material]]. The Mini-Con [[Twirl (Armada)|Twirl]] very specifically calls [[Falcia]] her "mother" (which Falcia ''hates'') and seems to treat [[Redline]] like a father, since the two's spark frame energies went into constructing her [[Structure|physical form]]. {{storylink|Linkage Part 7}} In the ''Armada'' cartoon, [[Side Swipe (Armada)|Side Swipe]] refers to [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] as his brother after Hot Shot saves his life, suggesting at least an understanding of the concept; on the other hand, the ''Armada'' cartoon is originally Japanese, and in [[Japan]], 'brother' and 'sister' can be used as terms of affection or respect to an unrelated person. The [[Unicron Trilogy continuity family|Unicron Trilogy]] universe has also used the term "cousin" for certain Transformers on occasion. The [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (manga)|''Victory'' manga]] from the Japanese Generation 1 era features Decepticon wives and children. Even the [[Transformers (film)|live-action movie]] features an [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] and [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] who are brothers, and it is mentioned in [[Transformers Autobots/Decepticons|the related Nintendo DS game]] that Megatron "took the spark" of their father.

The case of [[Hydra (G1)|Hydra]] and [[Buster (G1)|Buster]] from [[Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity]] is rare as they were originally human siblings before being converted into Transformers by [[Devil Z]]. {{storylink|Battle to the Death!! God Ginrai VS Darkwings Reborn}}{{storylink|The Birth of the Super Life-Forms}} Similar things happen to the case of [[Primus]] and [[Unicron]], who were originally astral being before they got trapped in planetoids and converted their "vessels" into planet-size Transformers. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}}

In the [[Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity]], [[Getaway]] remarks that his proto-hatcher would have been proud of him for making the most wanted list. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.2|The Age of Wrath #2}}

The [[2005 IDW continuity]] has [[Ratchet (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ratchet]] mentioning that his "''batch proto-initiator '''told''' me there'd be moments like this''...", when he was wondering if he should take the humans and investigate the bunker in Nebraska. {{storylink|Infiltration issue 3|Infiltration #3}} Later, [[Minimus Ambus]] described [[Dominus Ambus]] as his "spark-brother" and confirmed that they were members of the [[House (group)|House of Ambus]]. {{storylink|Remain in Light 2 of 5: House of Ambus|House of Ambus}}

In ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]'', [[Ironhide (Animated)|Ironhide]] mentions that [[Brawn (Animated)|Brawn]] is ''"his brother from another batch proto-initiator''..." {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II}}

==Notable siblings==
{{See also|Twin}}

===Generation 1 / Beast Era===
[[File:Rumble and frenzy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|[[FIRRIB|Can you guess which is which?]]]]
*[[Aquafend]] and [[Jetstorm (G2)|Jetstorm]] in ''Wings Universe''. {{storylink|Generation 2: Redux}}
*[[Arcee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Arcee]] and [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]] in the 2005 IDW continuity. {{storylink|Origin Myths}}
*[[Blaster (G1)#2005 IDW continuity|Blaster]] and [[Bluster]] in IDW continuity
*[[Blaster (G1)#Marvel Comics continuity|Blaster]], [[Toaster]], and [[Karmen]] in the [[Marvel Comics continuity|Marvel UK continuity]]<ref>[[Letters page (Marvel UK)|Darn 'n' Blast]], issues [[Source:Darn 'n' Blast#Issue 310|310]] and [[Source:Darn 'n' Blast#Issue 316|316]]</ref>
*[[Blot (G1)|Blot]] and [[Blip]]<ref>{{citesocial|quote=I think Blip would be really ticked off if I killed his brother.|link=https://twitter.com/TheJohnBarber/status/282262789031075840|name=John Barber|site=Twitter|year=2012|month=12|day=21}}</ref>
*[[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]] and [[Gravedigger]] {{storylink|Unearthed Future}}
*[[Cataclysm (BW)|Cataclysm]] and the [[Cub]] are fission-brothers. Presumably, here "fission" refers to [[Reproduction#Budding|budding]].
*[[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] and [[Darkwing (G1)|Darkwing]] in the 2005 IDW continuity<ref>"The Transformers" #7</ref>
*[[Electro]] and [[Volt]]<ref name="G2annual"/>
*The [[Thirteen]] refer to each other as siblings and are all the creation of [[Primus]]
*[[Fastlane]] and [[Cloudraker (G1)|Cloudraker]]
*[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] and [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]
*[[Gearhead]] and [[Greasepit (G2)|Greasepit]]
*[[Leadfoot (G2)|Hot Foot]] and [[Manta Ray (G2)|Piranha]]<ref name="G2annual">Crossword clues in the [[The Official Transformers: Generation 2 Annual]]</ref>
*[[Minimus Ambus]] and [[Dominus Ambus]] in the 2005 IDW continuity.
*[[Oiler]] and [[Slide]] in the 2005 IDW continuity. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 1: To Walk Among the Chosen|To Walk Among the Chosen}}
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] in the [[Dreamwave Generation One continuity]]. It might also be true for the [[Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity|(Japanese version of the cartoon continuity]]). {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 4|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #4}}
*[[Pounce]] and [[Wingspan]]
*[[Powerbomb]] and [[Dropshot (G1)|Dropshot]] in ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]''. {{storylink|Derailment}}
*[[Primus]] and [[Unicron]] and [[Gaea]]
*[[Rack'n'Ruin (G1)|Rack, Ruin]], and a third brother are triplets in IDW continuity. {{storylink|Omega's Conundrum}}
*[[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]] and [[Dinobot II]] were referred to as half brothers by [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]] because Dinobot contains part of Rampage's [[spark]]. {{storylink|Feral Scream Part 1}}
*[[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]] and [[Transmutate (BW)|Trans-Mutate]] in ''Beast Wars: Uprising''. {{storylink|The Inexorable March}}
*[[Roulette (Universe)|Roulette]], [[Shadow Striker (Universe)|Shadow Striker]], and an [[Roulette and Shadow Striker's sister|unnamed third sister]]
*[[Ruckus (G1)|Ruckus]] and [[Ground Hog]] in ''[[Of Masters and Mayhem]]''.<ref>TFSS [[Ruckus (G1)#Generations|Grabuge]] profile card</ref>
*[[Runamuck (G1)|Runamuck]] and [[Runabout (G1)|Runabout]].<ref>[https://hasbropulse.com/collections/transformers/products/transformers-generations-war-for-cybertron-deluxe-wfc-e37-runamuck|Hasbro Pulse page for Runamuck]</ref>
*[[Rumbler (G1)|Rumbler]] and [[Sprocket (G1)|Sprocket]] are twin brothers in the ''[[Transformers: Wings Universe|Wings Universe]]'' continuity. {{storylink|A Team Effort}}
*[[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] and [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]]
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] in ''[[Transformers vs. G.I. Joe]]'' continuity
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]] {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime}}
*[[Shouki]] and [[Yukikaze (G1)|Yukikaze]]
*[[Skyburst (G1)|Skyburst]] and [[Stormclash]] {{storylink|An Uneventful Night}}
*[[Springarm]], [[Wheelarch]], and [[Valve]]<ref>[[Macabre]]'s profile in the hardcover edition of ''[[The Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers]]''</ref>
*[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]] in the Dreamwave Generation One continuity
*[[Steel Jaw|Steeljaw]] and [[Sharpclaw]] {{storylink|Last Bot Standing issue 2|Last Bot Standing #2}}
*[[Sunder (G1)|Sunder]] and [[Sceptre]] {{storylink|Speak, Memory! (Part 2)}}
*[[Topspin (G1)|Topspin]] and [[Twin Twist (G1)|Twin Twist]]
*[[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] and [[Needlenose (G1)|Needlenose]] in the 2005 IDW continuity. {{storylink|The Transgressors}}
*[[Vanquish]] and [[Fireshot]] in the 2005 IDW continuity. {{storylink|Windblade vol. 2 issue 6|Windblade vol. 2 #6}}
*[[Eject (G1)]] and [[Rewind (G1)]] {{storylink|Decepticon Directive}}

;Japanese continuity

*[[Clampdown (G1)|Clampdown]] and [[Deep Cover]]
*[[Decibel]] and [[Legout]]
*[[DJ (BW)|DJ]], [[Motorarm (BW)|Motorarm]], and [[Gimlet]]
*[[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] and [[Grand Maximus]]
*[[Galvatron (BW)|BWII Galvatron]] and [[Megastorm]]
*[[Hydra (G1)|Hydra]] and [[Buster (G1)|Buster]]
*[[Leozack]] and [[Lyzack (G1)|Lyzack]] in the ''Victory'' manga
*[[Shouki]] and [[Yukikaze (G1)|Yukikaze]]
*[[Sixliner]] and [[Sixtrain]]
*[[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] and [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] (via ''[[TV Magazine]]'' [[story page]])

===Car Robots / Robots in Disguise===
*[[Gas Skunk]], [[Dark Scream]], and [[Slapper (RID)|Slapper]] (only in Japanese toy catalogs)
*[[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (RID)|Ultra Magnus]]
*[[X-Brawn]], [[Prowl (RID)|Prowl]], and [[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn]] — the [[Autobot Brothers]]

===Unicron Trilogy===
*[[Flashbang]] and [[Failsafe]]
*[[Hardtop (Cybertron)|Hardtop]] and [[Swindle (Cybertron)|Swindle]]
*[[Inferno (Energon)|Inferno]] and [[Rodimus (Energon)|Rodimus]] (toy bios only)
*[[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] and [[Overcast (Energon)|Overcast]]
*[[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]] and [[Landquake (Energon)|Landquake]]
*[[Leader-1 (Armada)|Leader-1]] and [[Clench (Armada)|Clench]] might be brothers {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye: Transformers: Armada|Clench's ''More Than Meets The Eye'' profile}}
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (Energon)|Ultra Magnus]]
*[[Shockblast]] and [[Six Shot (Energon)|Six Shot]]
*[[Signal Flare (Energon)|Signal Flare]] and [[Offshoot (Energon)|Offshoot]]
*[[Superion Maximus]] and [[Dauntless Maximus]]
*[[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] and [[Sunstorm (Universe)|Sunstorm]]
*[[Undermine (Cybertron)|Undermine]] and [[Repugnus (Cybertron)|Repugnus]]

===Go-Bots===
*[[Racer-Bot ALPHA]] and [[Racer-Bot BETA]]

===Live-action film series===
*[[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]], [[Chromia (ROTF)|Chromia]], and [[Elita-One (Movie)|Elita-One]]<ref>Internal to the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' film itself, both Chromia and Elita-1 are simply treated as components of Arcee instead of siblings.</ref>
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] mentions that [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]] and [[Sunstreaker (ROTF)|Sunstreaker]] are relatives and are "quite the pair".
*After [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] is killed, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] regretfully says to the body, "You left me no choice, brother."
*The original [[Dynasty of Primes|Prime]]s are referred to as brothers.<ref name="ROTFadapt">[[Revenge of the Fallen issue 3|Revenge of the Fallen #3]], [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|Revenge of the Fallen]]</ref>

'''Twins'''
*[[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]] and [[Onslaught (ROTF)|Onslaught]]
*[[Tread]] and [[Trample]]
*[[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] — [[Twins (ROTF)|The Twins]]

===Transformers Animated===
*[[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]] and [[Jetfire (Animated)|Jetfire]]
*[[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]] and [[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]] are both "brothers and friends".<ref>{{citesocial|quote=(Are Scrapper and Mixmaster brothers or friends?) Both!|link=https://archive.is/17zs0|name=Derrick J. Wyatt|site=Spring.me|year=2010|month=06|day=04}}</ref>
*[[Huffer (Animated)|Huffer]] and [[Pipes (Animated)|Pipes]]

===Shattered Glass===
*[[Jazz (SG)|Jazz]], [[Ricochet (SG)|Ricochet]], and [[Stepper (SG)|Stepper]]
*[[Sideswipe (SG)|Sideswipe]] and [[Sunstreaker (SG)|Sunstreaker]]

===Prime===
*[[Skyquake (Prime)|Skyquake]] and [[Dreadwing (Prime)|Dreadwing]]
*[[Sideswipe (WFC)|Sideswipe]] and [[Sunstreaker (Prime)|Sunstreaker]]

===EarthSpark===
* The [[Terran]]s all consider and refer to themselves with sibling terms.
*[[Swindle (ES)|Swindle]] and [[Hardtop (ES)|Hardtop]]. {{storylink|House Rules}}

==Parents and children==
===Generation 1 / Beast Era===
[[File:Yourmom.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|"Stampy, eat your roast carrot before it gets chilled."]]
*[[Big Convoy|Big Junior]] is the son of [[Blue Big Convoy]]. {{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)}}
*[[Buzz Saw (BW)|Buzz Saw]] and [[Venom (G1)|Venin]] were the sons of [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]]. {{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)}}
*[[Colada]]'s father is mentioned. {{storylink|A Battle Fought Alone}}
*Every member of the [[Dinoforce]] has [[Baby Dinoforce|children]] in the [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (manga)|''Victory'' manga]].
*[[Jaguar]] is the son of [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] in ''[[Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Metals (manga)|Beast Wars Metals]]'' manga continuity.
*[[Kitte Shūshū]] and [[Z Grill]] <ref>[[Andromeda - Axiom Nexus News Reporter]]</ref> are [[Stampy (BW)|Stampy]]'s parents.
*[[Lio Junior]] is the "son" of [[Lio Convoy]].<ref>Lio Junior was created by the influence of pure energy upon Lio Convoy’s [[Energon Matrix]].</ref>
*[[Longrack (BW)|Longrack]]'s father, grandfather, great-grandfather, and great-great-...well, a LOT of his ancestors are mentioned. {{storylink|A Battle Fought Alone}}<ref>Most of the main Maximals in the [[Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Neo (manga)|''Beast Wars Neo'' manga]] have families because they spring from whole races of rabbits, cobras, giraffes, etc. They were evolved into Transformers from actual organic animals in this story.</ref>
*[[Ma-Grrr]] is (presumably) the mother of [[Hun-Gurrr (G1)|Hun-Gurrr]]. {{storylink|At Fight's End}}
*[[Optimus Minor|Minor]] is the son of [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]]. {{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)}}
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] may have a mother.<ref>[[File:Optimusprime-mom.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Dear Son: Don't forget to close the fridge door.]]
In an advertisement for [[Pepsi Convoy]] that shows him in a refrigerator (along with [[Destron Pizza]]), a note attached to a nearby piece of tupperware reads:
:''Dear Convoy''
:''Warm it before you eat''
:''Mom''
:Although the ad itself is for Pepsi Convoy, he is a separate character, and it can be assumed that the note was left for Convoy/Optimus Prime himself.</ref>

*[[Quickswitch]] is [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]]'s son.<ref>Quickswitch's commercial</ref>
*[[Serpentor|Serpent O.R.]] is the son of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (or so he claims and nobody questions him on it) in the [[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers continuity|''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers'' continuity]].
*[[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] is the father of his [[Decepticon Mini-Cassette|Mini-Cassettes]] in ''[[Transformers vs. G.I. Joe]]''. {{storylink|Black Cybertron}}
*[[Speeder]] is the son of [[Dai Atlas (G1)|Dai Atlas]].
*[[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]]'s parents are mentioned in "[[The Story of Wheelie, the Wild Boy of Quintesson]]".

;Creators as parents
*[[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] is ("more than almost like a") father to [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] and [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]] in the cartoon continuity.
*[[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] is "father" to the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]] in the cartoon continuity.<ref>Nosecone's line "Are...are you my father?" {{storylink|Grimlock's New Brain}}</ref>
*The [[Titan (group)|Titan]] [[Navitas]] refers to [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] as "[[Caminus (Titan)|Caminus]]' sparkling". The term "sparkling" has been used in some parts of the [[fandom]] to refer to the idea of a Transformer child. This marks the first use of the term in official fiction; Windblade, like all Camiens, was born from the [[hot spot (phenomenon)|hot spot]] carried within her Titan. {{storylink|Race Against the Light}}

===Unicron Trilogy===
*[[Sideways (Armada)|Sideways]] calls out his mother when he's about to be blasted. {{storylink|City}}
*[[Starscream (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Starscream]] calls out his mother right before being pummeled into a planet by a moon wielding Primus. {{storylink|Titans}}

===Live-action film series===
*As was mentioned above, the live-action movie [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] and [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] had a father, whom Megatron presumably killed.
*[[Jetfire (Movie)|Jetfire]] alleges that he has a mother and a father. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen}}
*[[Hound (Movie)|Hound]] has a father who never called him. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|Transformers: The Last Knight}}

===Transformers Animated===
*In the Japanese dub of the ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)#Japanese release|Animated]]'' cartoon, [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] frequently calls for his mother when he's in distress.
**He also mentioned his mom after crashing into two security drones. {{storylink|Animated Comic issue 3}}

===Aligned===
*[[Scuzzard]]'s mama-bot told him not to play with his food, advice which he generally disregards. {{storylink|Bumblebee Versus Scuzzard}}

==Cousins==
===Shattered Glass===
*[[Crasher (SG)|Crasher]] and [[Blurr (SG)|Blurr]]

===Beast Era===
*[[Scuba]] and [[Ikard]]

===Unicron Trilogy===
*[[Bulkhead (Energon)|Bulkhead]] and [[Quickstrike (Energon)|Quickstrike]]
*[[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Overhaul]] and [[Brushguard]]
*[[Skywarp (Armada)|Skywarp]] and [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]]
*[[Swindle (Armada)|Swindle]] and [[Zapmaster (Armada)|Zapmaster]]

===Aligned===
*[[Fixit (RID)|Fixit]], [[Toolbox]] and [[Cinch]]

==Other relatives==
===G1/Beast era===
*[[Headstrong (G1)|Headstrong]] and his descendant.<ref name="pred_dofp" />
*[[Rampage (G1)|Rampage]] and his descendant.<ref name="pred_dofp">See "Items of note" in ''[[Dawn of Future's Past]]''</ref>
*[[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] calls [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] his "great-aunt".<ref>Rattrap said "What in the name of my great-aunt [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] is going on!?" This is an in-joke referring to [[Susan Blu]], who was not only voice director on ''Beast Wars'', but the voice of Arcee in the original ''Transformers'' cartoon series and [[Transmutate (BW)|Transmutate]] in the ''Beast Wars'' cartoon. {{storylink|Transmutate (episode)|Transmutate}}</ref>
*[[Scuba]] once mentioned his grandmother {{storylink|Galvatron Rampages}}
*[[Tantrum (G1)|Tantrum]] and his descendant.<ref name="pred_dofp" />
*[[Windbreaker]] was noted to be a relative of [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]]. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 45|Windbreaker bio}}
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] supposedly has a grandma <ref>The Latin Spanish American dub of G1 features a scene where [https://twitter.com/TF_Moments/status/1555403220280692736| Megatron insults Optimus Prime’s grandma]</ref>

===2001 ''Robots in Disguise''===
*[[Hot Shot (RID)|Art Fire]] and [[Optimus Prime (RID)|Fire Convoy]] are relatives.
*[[Midnight Express (RID)|Midnight Express]] may believe "[[Grandpa]]" is his Grandfather (both he and the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s actually seem to believe it's alive). {{storylink|Secret Weapon: D-5}}
*In the Spanish dub, after [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]] is cheered on by humans, he states through inner monologue that not even his granny has supported him like this. {{storylink|Sky-Byte Saves the Day}}

===Animated===
*[[Kup (Animated)|Kup]] has a nephew.<ref>Who, if a real grenade was below Kup, would have been sent a box of his struts. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II}}</ref>

===Revenge of the Fallen===
*The original [[Dynasty of Primes|Prime]]s had descendants, including Optimus Prime and Sentinel Prime.<ref name="ROTFadapt"/>

===Prime===
*[[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee]] mentioned [[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]] is related to her, or at least her "family" in the figurative sense of the word. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 1}}
*[[Dreadwing (Prime)|Dreadwing]] is the twin to [[Skyquake (Prime)|Skyquake]]. It is described as a "Split Spark" leading to Dreadwing knowing of his brother's death.
*[[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] once considered [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] his brother.
*The [[Thirteen]] ended up leaving behind a few descendants, some of which forming certain of the many variations seen in the Cybertronian race. [[Shifter]]s like [[Makeshift (Prime)|Makeshift]] are supposedly descended from [[Amalgamous Prime]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Exiles|Exiles}} And [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] is implied to be a descendant of [[Prima]] due to possessing a "Primian" polarity. {{storylink|Transformers Vault}}

===Ask Vector Prime===
*[[Vector Prime]] considered [[Adaptus]] and [[Mortilus]] to be "uncles", although owing to the complex origins of the Thirteen he was most likely speaking metaphorically.

===Aligned===
*[[Medix (RB)|Medix]] has a large extended family, including [[Ratchet (WFC)|Ratchet]] (uncle), [[Apax]] (great-aunt), [[Torquesteer]] (grandfather), and [[Wrench (RBA)|Wrench]] (second cousin). {{storylink|Tyrannosaurus Wrecked}}

==See also==
*[[Reproduction|Familial relationships]]

==Footnote==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Biology]]
[[Category:Lists]]
[[Category:Transformer culture]]

Breakdown (WFC)

2024-02-29T23:10:37Z

AutoTrooper2801: Adding the "Coming Soon" Template for the Legacy Toy

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{{disambig3|Breakdown}}
:''Breakdown is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Aligned continuity family]].''

[[File:PrimeBreakdown-HowToDraw.jpg|thumb|upright=1.95|He ain't nobody's leg any more.]]

Despite a level of skill to match any Decepticon warrior's, '''Breakdown''' is almost crippled by a persistent paranoia, especially when he is in crowds. He is much happier working alone, away from the eyes he is sure are watching him at every moment. That said, he is quick to come at [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]]'s call, as his fear of his powerful leader may be the only thing outreaching his agoraphobic tendencies.<ref>[[How to Draw Transformers Prime]] Breakdown bio</ref>

After spending most of his time on Cybertron in a smaller form, the scout later upgraded to a bulkier, more threatening body following a clash with [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]], a clash which initiated a heated rivalry between the two.<ref>[[Arms Micron]] War Breakdown's tech spec bio</ref> Breakdown has brought that rivalry to present-day Earth, where he assists [[Knock Out (Prime)|Knock Out]] in his various misdeeds. The two have become good friends in their long partnership, and seem to value each other as much as any pair of friends could.

Since joining the war on Earth, Breakdown has proven to have some quite intriguing depths to his character, besides his deep friendship with Knock Out. He doesn't treat the cannon fodder [[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicons]] as such, and even chats to them about romance and is sure to thank them for their hard work. He also has a healthy dose of respect for his foes, as well as gratitude. However, these noble traits are tempered by his boisterous temper; always eager to join a fight or pound some dents into someone, even on his best days.

{{bigquote| Never run when you can fight.|Breakdown|"[[Operation: Breakdown]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Cartoon continuity===
====IDW ''Prime'' comic====
[[File:BreakdownPrime.jpg|thumb|left|upright=0.85|His self-esteem ruined by his small size, Breakdown resorted to steroid use.]]
Breakdown was on [[Earth]] when he received [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]]'s signal. He found the air commander buried under rubble by [[Cliffjumper (WFC)|a little Autobot]], whom he promptly pummeled. [[Arcee (WFC)|An even smaller, blue Autobot]] shot at Breakdown, which pleased him, because it meant he was going to kill two Autobots today. At Starscream's insistence, Breakdown got him out of the rubble, and they began chasing and shooting at the Autobots. Breakdown finally cornered them and overwhelmed them with his missile launcher. As they lay dying and Starscream was about to finish them, [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] got the jump on him and shot Breakdown into the face of a mountainside, causing him to flee to fight another day. {{storylink|Transformers: Prime (graphic novel)|Transformers: Prime}}

====''Prime'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Adam Baldwin]] (English), [[Atsushi Imaruoka]] (Japanese)|[[Alexander Kovriznyh]] (Russian; season 1), [[Sang-hyeon Eom]] (Korean), [[Fábio de Castro]] (Portuguese), [[Christoph Banken]] (German), [[Walter Rivetti]] (Italian), [[Arturo Cataño]] (Latin American Spanish), [[Jaime Roca]] (Castilian Spanish), [[Juhani Rajalin]] (Finnish), [[Adam Krylik]] (Polish, "[[Operation: Breakdown]]" and "[[Metal Attraction]]"), [[Bruno Bulté]] (French)}}

[[File:DeusExMachina-Breakdowntruck.jpg|thumb|upright=1|"Shiny. Let's be bad guys."]]
Breakdown had a long history with the Autobot known as [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]], {{storylink|Deus ex Machina}} to the point one would call them "archenemies". During their rivalry, Breakdown caused Bulkhead great pains. {{Storylink|Operation: Breakdown}}

When Starscream requested that [[Knock Out (Prime)|Knock Out]] and Breakdown come to the ''[[Trypticon (WFC)|Nemesis]]'', Breakdown was much too busy trying to track down an [[energon]] trace. He reached an excavation site in [[Greece]], where he encountered an old friend—Bulkhead—and spotted a depiction of an [[Energon Harvester]] on an ancient fresco. After breaking the fresco with Bulkhead's head, Breakdown proceeded to the ''Nemesis'', where [[Soundwave (WFC)|Soundwave]] located the device in a museum. As the Autobots had surrounded said museum, Knock Out and Breakdown drew them around to the front for a fight, where Breakdown caused [[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]] and Arcee to collide with each other and sent Bulkhead flying into Knock Out. This distraction allowed Soundwave to sneak in the back and steal the Harvester. The Harvester was successfully obtained, and Breakdown and Knock Out accompanied Starscream to the energy vein in Greece to test it out. When Bulkhead turned up there to stop them, the two Decepticons attacked him but came off decidedly second-best, as Bulkhead managed to make Breakdown hit Knock Out by accident which allowed Bulkhead to steal Knock Out's [[Energon prod]] and use it to shock Breakdown into submission. They fled once the Harvester was destroyed and the other Autobots turned up. {{storylink|Deus ex Machina}}

[[File:SpeedMetal-BBvsBreakdown.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1]]

Breakdown was buffing Megatron's <s>corpse</s> body when Starscream asked him where Knock Out was. Knock Out, it turned out, had been street racing with the humans again. Some time later, Knock Out radio'd Breakdown to let him know there was another street race on. Much later still, Knock Out contacted him with the news that Bumblebee's human friend had been captured. Breakdown joined the other 'Con in setting a trap for the Autobots in a storage facility. Once Bumblebee and Bulkhead turned up, Breakdown ambushed them. He was able to hold his own against the two Autobots until Knock Out announced he was bugging out, and the distraction resulted in Breakdown being knocked into a wall by Bulkhead. Returning to the ''Nemesis'', Breakdown bore silent witness to Starscream's "cosmetic punishment" of Knock Out. {{storylink|Speed Metal}}

[[File:OutHead-BulkheadBreakdown.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Foefist!]]
During a Decepticon plan to melt a glacier to find some energon, Breakdown was hanging around on the hull of the ship when Bulkhead and Arcee appeared nearby. On Knock Out's order, he jumped from the ship and started fighting the two Autobots, unaware that it was a diversion while Optimus Prime scaled a nearby cliff face. He was still fighting them when Optimus caused the heat ray atop the ship to explode and was sent flying by the blast wave. {{storylink|Out of His Head}}

While out scouting an energon source, Breakdown took the opportunity to ambush Bulkhead. Though the Autobot fought back vigorously, Breakdown overcame him and was about to deliver the killing blow when he was zapped by an energy beam from a nearby helicopter. He came around to find himself a captive of the [[human]] organization [[MECH]], the leader of which, [[Silas]], informed him that they wanted to take him apart for his technology. Breakdown was defiant, but the MECH technicians disabled his pain receptors and began dismantling him, including removing his right eye. He was stunned when he was rescued not by the Decepticons, but by Bulkhead. The pair emerged from the rail tunnel to face the main MECH force, and when Silas's helicopter again fired its energy weapon, the 'Con knocked Bulkhead out of the way. After Starscream arrived and chased MECH off, he demanded Breakdown destroy Bulkhead. Breakdown was initially reluctant, but Starscream talked him into it. Though Bulkhead bested Breakdown and used his body to bash the Vehicons, Breakdown was still able to retreat, and Starscream later told him to remember the rescue when the time came to choose between Megatron's leadership and Starscream's. {{Storylink|Operation: Breakdown}}

[[File:TFP ep18 BD optic patch.jpg‎|thumb|left|upright=1.4|[[Major Bludd]] knows how you feel, Breakdown.]]
Breakdown took to wearing an eye-patch as a reminder of his failure. When Soundwave detected a magnetic signature, Breakdown saw the chance to redeem himself and insisted on being the one to retrieve the [[polarity gauntlet]]. Once there, however, he found himself under attack by [[Airachnid (Prime)|Airachnid]], who also coveted the device and made a failed attempt to trap him underground. The two fought over it until Arcee and Bulkhead arrived and joined in the party. Breakdown was able to use the gauntlet to magnetically stick the two Autobots together, but while he was on his way back to the ''Nemesis'', Airachnid ambushed him and webbed him to a derelict gas station. He was freed when the Autobots turned up and the gauntlet was triggered, yanking him off the wall. At one point during the following battle, he got hold of the weapon and used it to hit Bulkhead with an oil derrick. After some more fighting, Airachnid tried to make a getaway with the gauntlet and Bulkhead threw her at Breakdown. Breakdown was forced to return to the ship without the gauntlet, but made up for it by presenting Megatron with Airachnid, who had become stuck to his back. {{storylink|Metal Attraction}}

Knock Out and Breakdown were sent with some Vehicons to secure a [[Cybertronian data cylinder]], which the Autobots were also after. Breakdown not only got to fight, but got to be on the winning side for a change. Unfortunately when they got back to the ''Nemesis'', they discovered that the cylinder's contents had already been discharged. After Megatron went to try and find Bulkhead, whose noggin held the data, Knock Out detected where Bulkhead was hiding out, and thus he and Breakdown went to the monster truck track. Bulkhead went and hid in the car park, so the two Decepticons started searching in their own ways—in Breakdown's case, smashing random vehicles. They eventually found Bulkhead, but the cylinder data was lost in the process. The pair were ready to take out some revenge until the arrival of more Autobots forced them to retreat. {{storylink|T.M.I.}}

The pair teamed up again to transport energon around. Though Breakdown was keen to GroundBridge out of there when the Autobots turned up, Knock Out reminded him that they were under orders to lead the Autobots on a chase so the foe would deplete their energon reserves. When Ratchet turned up and bashed their Vehicon escort around, Breakdown was ready to take on the newcomer, but he and Knock Out had to leave after the other Autobots attacked them. Some time later, Breakdown was chatting to a [[Decepticon Miner|miner]] when Ratchet entered the cavern. The rematch was short lived as Ratchet overpowered Breakdown. {{storylink|Stronger, Faster}}

Breakdown and Knock Out watched Soundwave and Airachnid dispute over whether Megatron would return from a visit with [[Unicron]]. When Megatron came back to the ship, Breakdown was on the bridge to greet him, though the others had to restrain him when he saw that Megatron was being accompanied by Optimus Prime whom Megatron addressed as "Orion Pax". {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 3}}

The Decepticons, including Breakdown and Knock Out, hit a military base and managed to get away with the energy source they needed for their new [[space bridge]], though they did accidentally let Arcee get on board the ship. {{storylink|Orion Pax, Part 1}} Breakdown attempted to contact the Vehicons at the space bridge and, though he had trouble getting through at first, was told [[William Fowler|everything was fine]]. When asked how ''he'' was doing, Breakdown replied with surprising kindness and sincerity, responding that he was fine, acknowledging the Vehicons' thankless job and encouraging them to keep up the good work. {{storylink|Orion Pax, Part 2}}

[[File:OperationBumblebee2 Breakdown Knockout find Forge.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|STOP! Pick up the Hammer Time!]]
Sent with Knock Out to retrieve a hidden Cybertronian treasure, Breakdown was no doubt pleased to run into Bulkhead again. {{storylink|Operation Bumblebee, Part 1}} After their previous success, Breakdown and Knock Out went to secure the [[Forge of Solus Prime]]. Breakdown again found himself fighting Bulkhead, but during a moments distraction, Bulkhead hit him with the Forge. After Megatron secured the Forge, Breakdown retreated through the GroundBridge. {{storylink|Operation Bumblebee, Part 2}}

[[File:Crossfire MECH finds Breakdown.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|"We have a crime scene here."]]
Breakdown was assigned to accompany [[Dreadwing (Prime)|Dreadwing]] and Airachnid on a mission, the purpose of which was to get rid of Airachnid. Breakdown's quick temper proved their undoing, as Airachnid goaded him into attacking her. After spending a short amount of time trying to unstick the webbing from his face, Breakdown pursued her, leaving Dreadwing webbed to a tree. Though he caught up with Airachnid, it proved to be a trap, and she swiftly dismantled him. A short time later, a MECH team discovered him in pieces. They elected to bring the remains back to base. {{storylink|Crossfire (Prime)|Crossfire (Prime)|Crossfire}}

After [[Silas]] was badly crushed, the [[MECH Surgeon]] intended to use Breakdown's body to revive him. {{storylink|Nemesis Prime (episode)|Nemesis Prime}}

Knock Out would continue to hunt Iacon relics in Breakdown's memory, {{storylink|Tunnel Vision}} though he missed Breakdown's buffing. {{storylink|Hurt}}

While Breakdown was offline, MECH worked to rebuild and partially repair his body. Eventually, his body was reactivated and integrated with the remains of their leader, producing what Silas declared a "Cybernetic Life Augmented by Symbiosis", or "Cylas". This had the side-effect of bringing Breakdown's life signals back online, though they appeared corrupted to the Decepticon sensors. Cylas made good use of Breakdown's body, at least until he failed Megatron and was consigned to Knock Out's dissection table. {{storylink|The Human Factor}}

[[File:Thirst-restinpeace.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|He's dead?! He's supposed to be a llama!!]]

Cylas had become Knock Out's guinea pig for virtually any test he could think of. Knock Out had no qualm about experimenting even further on Breakdown's corpse, believing that his deceased partner would approve of the situation's irony. Cylas became a new form of [[Terrorcon (Prime)|Terrorcon]] who fed on a host's Energon, and the ensuing plague ravaged the Decepticons' ranks and numbers. Cylas was finally killed when he freed Airachnid, who left Breakdown's inactive body a lifeless and, ahem, empty husk once more. {{storylink|Thirst}}

====Titan ''Prime'' comic====
Breakdown and [[Knock Out (Prime)|Knock Out]] took over a TV studio which was filming ''[[Down and Out]]'', and modified the course into a death trap which they then invited [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] to take part in. To ensure they complied, they put the show's crew and audience into a box suspended over a pit of spikes, and Breakdown held on to [[Chuck Chuckles]]'s unconscious form as extra insurance. Unfortunately for the pair, the death trap was less than deadly, and the two Autobots had brought [[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee]], who shot the floor out from under the two Decepticons. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.14|It's a Knock-Out}}

====Eaglemoss ''Prime'' comic====
{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|King of the Road}}}}

====Japanese cartoon continuity====
{{note|Japanese continuity does not include the final season of ''Prime''.}}

=====Japanese ''Prime'' bios=====
Breakdown was a member of the [[Stunticon (Prime)|Stunticons]] alongside [[Wildrider (Prime)|Wildrider]]. {{storylink|Wildrider (Prime)#Prime|Stunt Wildrider}} After a confrontation with [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]], the comparatively smaller Breakdown took on a larger frame to match, with accompanying combat skills to boot. His hammer weapon was in actuality the [[Arms Micron]], [[Zamu]], unbeknownst to him. {{Storylink|#Prime|War Breakdown}}

=====''Unite Warriors''/''Legends''=====
[[File:BreakdownNewBody-GrandGalvatronChapter.jpg|left|thumb|upright=0.7|...wait, never mind.]]
Breakdown managed to survive his repeated deaths and wandered Earth as a malicious zombie. The undead Decepticon's sheer malice attracted the attention of [[Unicron]], {{storylink|#Unite Warriors 2|''Unite Warriors'' bio}} who would summon Breakdown, among others, to his universe to convince [[Galvatron II|Galvatron]] to combine with them in lieu of using Unicron for his new "[[Grand Galvatron]]" body. Breakdown was resurrected in a new combiner body as "Zombie War Breakdown", and he could serve as a limb to Grand Galvatron. The assembled combiner team was ordered by Unicron to conquer [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] so that the planet would become Unicron's new body. Galvatron, not much for obeying anybody, ignored the order and set out to conquer in his own name as Grand Galvatron. {{storylink|Grand Galvatron Chapter}} While Breakdown was loyal to his new master, he sought to return to his universe and reunite with his partner. {{storylink|#Unite Warriors 2|''Unite Warriors'' bio}}

[[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], the main component of Grand Galvatron, had the group undergo training by exposing them to the lava pools of [[Thrull]], which Breakdown actually found enjoyable. {{storylink|Special Training in the Lava Baths of Planet Thrull!}}

[[File:Epilogue-War-Breakdown-home.jpg|thumb|upright=2]]
Grand Galvatron attacked Cybertron only to be separated into his components by [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]]. As the team continued the battle on foot, Breakdown was shocked to run into Knock Out on the battlefield and tearfully embraced him, unaware that his partner was merely a hologram projected by [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] as a distraction. After realizing his mistake, he rejoined the others and combined back into Grand Galvatron to fight [[Sky Reign]]. {{storylink|Sky Reign Chapter}} When the battle was interrupted by [[Megaempress]], Grand Galvatron's limbs detached and fled out of fear, but Breakdown and Roller were cornered by [[Flowspade]] and forced to transform into giant fist weapons for her to wield. {{storylink|Megatronia Chapter}} Then Unicron showed up to conquer Cybertron himself, prompting the team to reform Grand Galvatron and participate in the battle with the Chaos-Bringer. After the battle was won, Breakdown was able to return to his home universe through a dimensional rift and was happily reunited with Knock Out. {{storylink|Ruination Chapter, Part Two}}

Knock Out later showed Breakdown the schematics to the [[Apex Armor (Prime)|Apex Hunter Armor]]. {{Storylink|Transformers Legends Final Chapter "Epiloge"|Epiloge}}

===Toy bios===
Breakdown wore the powerful [[Apex Armor (Prime)|Apex Hunter Armor]], which was armed and upgraded with ancient weaponry given by the [[Predacon (Prime)|Predacon]]s. {{storylink|Apex Armor (Prime)#Cyberverse|Apex Hunter Armor with Breakdown}}
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===''Kre-O'' online comic===
[[File:KreO-webcomic-4-Breakdown.jpg|thumb|upright=0.6]]

Breakdown witnessed [[Megatron (Kre-O)|Megatron]]'s little temper-tantrum over getting pummeled by a newly powered-up [[Optimus Prime (Kre-O)|Optimus Prime]]. He also witnessed Megatron pummeling Knock Out after the latter's attempt to power-up Megatron went humiliatingly wrong. {{Storylink|Wheeljack's Bizarre Invention! Optimus Power Up!?}} Following the embarrassing defeat of [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], Breakdown was one of those in charge of the Constructicons' tickle training. {{storylink|A New Menace! The Giant Soldier Devastator Appears!}} He was present during Megatron's (brief) takeover of [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], now wearing an eyepatch. {{storylink|Two Giant Bases! Everybody Getting Along, Come On, Fight!}} Breakdown, again with two optics, was present during Megatron's [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]-helmet-induced rampage, and after it ended, he was horrified to see that Knock Out had learned nothing from the experience and was developing more new helmets for Megatron. {{Storylink|Enter the New Emperor of Destruction!? Stop Galvatron's Rampage!}} He tried to warn [[Starscream (Kre-O)|Starscream]] about [[Airachnid (Prime)|Airachnid]]'s manipulative ways, to no avail. {{storylink|The Beautiful Flower Has Thorns? Temptation of the Female Soldier, Airachnid!}}

===Precursor World===
A [[Primus Vanguard|Warrior of the Seven Lights]] resembling Breakdown was a member of the [[Blue Order]] of the [[Primus Vanguard]]. When the traitorous [[Straxus (G1)#Precursor World|Straxus twins]] unleashed a rage virus to destroy the corps from within, he was slain in the ensuing brawl. Vanguard supreme leader [[Primus#The old universe|Primus]] later loaded the Warrior's lingering [[spark]] into his [[Golden Noah]] in an attempt to ferry his soul to the [[G1 World|next world]]. {{storylink|God Neptune comic 1}} Unfortunately, this did not work. {{storylink|Generations Selects Special Comic Finale|Finale}}
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==Games==
===''Transformers: War for Cybertron'' (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)===
{{voiceactor|[[Crispin Freeman]] (English)|[[Thierry Mercier]] (French), [[Antonio Abenójar]] (Spain-Spanish), [[Grzegorz Mikołajczyk]] (Polish)}}

{{bigquote| I'm the fastest thing on 4 wheels.|Breakdown in his vehicle mode}}

[[File:Breakdown-WfC.jpg|thumb|"I always feel like somebody's watching meeeeee!"]]
Breakdown joined [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] and [[Soundwave (WFC)|Soundwave]] in the invasion of [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]], attacking the [[Stellar Galleries]] behind the [[Autobot]]'s front lines in order to acquire the [[Omega Key]]. When it turned out [[Sentinel Zeta Prime|Zeta Prime]] had moved it, Megatron lead them on a run-and-gun mission through the city to the [[Vaults]] itself. Breakdown seemed most comfortable during their time in the train tunnels, even challenging Soundwave to a race. However, when Megatron told him in a paternalistic voice to "try not to get crushed by the trains", Breakdown was confused, wondering aloud if his leader had made a joke. After utilizing [[Dark Energon]] bombers to blast their way into the Vaults, the squad came up against Zeta Prime himself. He was utilizing a vast machine that rendered him unassailable, allowed him to control portions of the ceiling so they dropped to crush anyone in the room, and generated an arbitrary number of energon clones bearing his likeness that battled savagely in melee combat. Soundwave's interest in the clones caused Breakdown to deride him as a total nerdlinger, but he didn't have any words of mockery when Soundwave discerned the machine's weakness: a core that rapidly overheated and so had to open up to cool off. Even in defeat, however, Zeta Prime had put one over on the Decepticons, as they took from him not the Omega Key, but the device that activated it. And the Key was cranky about being woken up from its nap.

Though he had shot another soldier for daring to contradict him verbally, Megatron probably realized Breakdown's last-ditch maneuver to avoid crashing into [[Omega Supreme (WFC)|Omega Supreme]] against Megatron's orders had saved all their lives, and so did not summarily execute him. Nor was Breakdown shot for his constant whining during the team's cat-and-mouse chase with Omega Supreme through the upper spires of Iacon towards a platform studded with some anti-air guns, which would hopefully give them a chance to fight back against the robot of unusual size. They managed to crack open Omega's armor with the emplacements, causing him to crash, but the behemoth remained on his feet—literally, as he transformed to robot mode to continue the fight. Breakdown continually expressed amazement and frustration at the seeming unstoppability of Omega Supreme, but Megatron's confidence was proven justified, as they sabotaged the means by which the giant had been repairing himself, apparently bringing him down. Seemingly unable to believe it despite having participated in the fight, Breakdown could only note, "Uh... all hail Megatron!" Yet even then, Omega Supreme was not defeated, badly damaged though he was. At that point, however, he was unable to continue repairing himself and his armor was badly damaged, allowing concentrated fire to finally overwhelm him.

Breakdown remained at Megatron's side as he tamed Omega Supreme, gaining access to Cybertron's core and infecting it with Dark Energon. {{storylink|Transformers: War for Cybertron (360/PS3/PC)|Transformers: War for Cybertron}}

===''Transformers: War for Cybertron'' - Decepticons (DS)===
{{voiceactor|[[Steve Blum]] (English)}}
{{Note|Breakdown is an unlockable character for the Nintendo DS version of ''War for Cybertron''. He can be unlocked by beating Dam 6 in Arena Mode.}}

When Megatron and his Decepticons destroyed a dam they had been using, Breakdown confronted them. Breakdown declared if Megatron could prove to be tougher than he was, then he'd join the Decepticons. Breakdown was eventually defeated, and, true to his word, he joined the Decepticons. {{storylink|Transformers: War for Cybertron (DS)|War for Cybertron - Autobots/Decepticons}}

===''Transformers: Fall of Cybertron''===
{{Note|Breakdown does not appear in the campaign of ''Fall of Cybertron'', however he is available in multiplayer.}}
{{storylink|Transformers: Fall of Cybertron}}

===''Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark'' (console)===
{{Note|Breakdown appears as an Escalation only character. His default ability is the Hover Slam, and the Scatter Blaster as his default weapon.}}
{{storylink|Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark (console)|Rise of the Dark Spark (console)}}

===''Transformers Online''===
Breakdown found [[War Rotor]] to be creepy. {{storylink|Transformers Online (2012 video game)|Transformers Online}}

===''Transformers Prime: Pulsar Defense''===
Breakdown and the other Decepticons attempted to prevent the Autobots from constructing a [[Pulsar Dish]], which would destroy the [[Energon Drain]] that the Decepticons had built in an asteroid field. {{storylink|Transformers Prime: Pulsar Defense}}
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===''Transformers Prime: Decepticon Strike''===
Enraged that Optimus Prime had defeated Knock Out in combat, Breakdown faced off against the Autobot leader resolved to destroy him. He alternatively shot laser blasts, unleashed energy waves and charged Optimus Prime throughout their battle. He was defeated however, and sent running off. He later returned when Megatron did battle against Optimus, and aided his leader throughout combat. The Decepticons were defeated once more, and ran off again. {{storylink|Transformers Prime: Decepticon Strike|Decepticon Strike}}

==Toys==
===''Prime''===
{{anchor|Voyager}}
[[File:Primetoy-WarBreakdown.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|At least when you drop a buttload of cash to import it, you get a good toy.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''War Breakdown''' (Voyager, [[2012]])}}</ul>
:*''ID number'': '''AM-12'''
:*''Release date'': [[June 30]], 2012
:*''Accessories'': "[[Zamu#Toys|Zamu]]" Arms Micron

: Released in the fourth wave of [[TakaraTomy]]'s ''[[Transformers: Prime (toyline)|Prime]]'' toyline, "War Breakdown" transforms into a massive armored truck of made-up model. He features a single [[C joint]] bar at the rear of the truck. As part of the line-wide [[Arms Micron]] [[gimmick]], Breakdown has an ''incredible'' number of [[5 mm post]]-holes to attach Arms Microns (or other accessories) to. He comes with his packed-in partner [[Zamu#Prime|Zamu]], who transforms into Breakdown's wrist-mounted hammer (though it actually attaches to the truck mode roof bit which flips up over his wrist, but it's a close enough approximation).

: While the mold was contemporarily available for [[Hasbro]] to use, its production cost fell into a "no man's land",<ref>http://tformers.com/transformers-sdcc-2012-hasbro-has-no/17901/news.html</ref> which allegedly stymied Hasbro's ability to put it in their normal price points. Eventually, this mold finally saw release in 2020 as a Hasbro Pulse item for the U.S. and Canada ([[#10 Year Anniversary|see below]]).

: This mold was differently [[redeco]]ed/[[retool]]ed each time into [[Swerve (Prime)#Toys|Swerve]] and [[Silas#SilasBreakdown|Silas Breakdown]], the latter of which was retooled further into the [[BotCon 2015]] [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#Timelines|Megatron]].

::*''[http://tfu.info/2012/Decepticon/AMWarBreakdown/breakdown.htm More information on War Breakdown at TFU.info]''

::*''[http://higekumatoytoy.blog60.fc2.com/blog-entry-1588.html War Breakdown at Alfes's blog]''
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====''Cyberverse''====
[[File:Prime-toy BreakdownCyberverse.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|IT'S... hammer time?]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Breakdown''' (Cyberverse Legion, 2012)}}</ul>
:*''Series/Number'': '''2 / 006'''
:*''TakaraTomy name'': '''War Breakdown'''
:*''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''EZ-14'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': [[June 30]], 2012
:*''Accessories'': Blaster
{{toydesigner|[[Joe Kyde]] (Hasbro)}}

: Part of the second wave of Series-2 Legion-class ''[[Cyberverse (toyline)|Cyberverse]]'' toys, Breakdown is a tiny, simple toy that turns into an armored car as per usual. He comes with a large triangular-barreled cannon based on his roof-mounted vehicle mode cannon, which has multiple 3mm posts and holes so it can be combined with other weapons and vehicles.

: As he is a Legion class toy of a bulky, broad-shouldered character, he is really, really, really short even compared to other Legions, let alone his rival [[Bulkhead (Prime)#Cyberverse|Commander-class Bulkhead]].

: This toy was released in Japan, without notable changes, in the fourth wave of ''Prime: [[EZ Collection]]'' toys (the same days as his larger toy above, in the fourth wave of that product line).

: This sculpt was also [[redeco]]ed into [[Fallback (Prime)|Fallback]], who features a recolor of the same weapon, and [[Berserker#MtCWalmart2Pack|''The Last Knight'' Berserker]], who has no weapon at all.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2012/Decepticon/LegBreakdown/breakdown.htm More information on Cyberverse Legion Breakdown at TFU.info]''

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[[File:TF-Prime-EZ-Collection-Deception-Set-Breakdown.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Decepticon Set''' (EZ Collection 6-pack, [[November 24]], 2012)}}</ul>
:*''ID number'': '''EZ-SP2'''
:*''Release date'': [[November 24]], 2012
:*''Accessories'': Blaster

: This version of "War Breakdown") is cast in an ever-so-slightly darker shade of plastic than his Hasbro counterpart. The silver [[paint operation]]s are also a tad darker, the [[tampograph]]ed Decepticon [[insignia]] on his chest is significantly darker, his spare wheel is painted in glossy rather than flat black, and his regular wheels and upper legs are cast in dark gray rather than black plastic.

: He was only available in a TakaraTomy ''[[EZ Collection]]'' six-pack with the [[Vehicon (Prime)#EZ6pack|Vehicon]], [[Knock Out (Prime)#EZ6pack|Knock Out]], [[Starscream (WFC)#EZ6pack|Starscream]], [[Megatron (WFC)/toys#EZ6pack|Megatron]], and [[Cliffjumper (WFC)#EZ6pack|Terrorcon Cliffjumper]].

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[[File:PrimeBHtoy-Cyberverse-ApexArmor-Breakdown.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|I'm still alive?]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Apex Hunter Armor with Breakdown''' (Cyberverse Vehicle, 2013)}}</ul>
:*''Series/Number'': '''3 / 002'''
:*''Accessories'': Large missile-firing blaster, four missiles, small blaster
{{toydesigner|[[Joe Kyde]] (Hasbro)}}

: Part of the first wave of ''[[Transformers: Prime (toyline)|Prime:]] [[Transformers: Prime (toyline)#BH|Beast Hunters]]'' [[Cyberverse (toyline)#Series 3|Series 3 Cyberverse]] Vehicle playsets, the "[[Apex Armor (Prime)|Apex Hunter Armor]]" comes with a green redeco of Legion Class Breakdown. He retains the purple blaster accessory.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2013/Decepticon/CybApexBreakdown/breakdown.htm More information on ''Beast Hunters'' Breakdown at TFU.info]''
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====''10 Year Anniversary''====
[[File:TFP-10th-Anniversary-War-Breakdown.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Scalpers receive double the Breakdowns!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''War Breakdown and Vehicon 2-Pack''' (Multi-pack, 2020)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': "Zamu" Arms Micron

: Released to commemorate the 10th anniversary of ''Prime'', this Breakdown is a re-release of the TakaraTomy ''Prime'' figure, sticker sheet and all. He also includes [[Zamu#10 Year Anniversary|Zamu]], his Arms Micron, who still comes as parts on a model kit sprue. There are a number of small differences between the two releases, the most noticeable being the addition of a production number stamp on his right heel, and his sticker sheet uses plastic-matching dark blue rather than dark purple. Other small differences include a lighter shade of dark gray plastic, and a more orange-tinted shade of red paint used for his face.

: War Breakdown is packed with the similarly-previously-TakaraTomy-line-only [[Vehicon (Prime)#10 Year Anniversary|Jet Vehicon]] (oddly just called "Vehicon" despite Breakdown carrying the "War" prefix from the Takara release). This set was exclusive to [[Hasbro Pulse]] in the U.S. and Canada, made available for preorder concurrently with [[Hasbro PulseCon 2020]] on [[September 26]], [[2020]]. This set was also available at general retail in Hasbro's Asian markets such as Hong Kong.

: Amusingly, despite being a Voyager-equivalent figure, War Breakdown was designated as part of the Deluxe Class for this release, and the set was priced accordingly. What a bargain!
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===''Construct-Bots''===
[[File:Breakdown Construct-Bots.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Do you wish for Heavy to KILL YOU!? WISH GRANTED!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Breakdown''' (Scout, 2013)}}</ul>
:*''Pieces'': 45
:*''Accessories'': Axe
{{toydesigner|[[Andrew Scribner]] (deco artist)}}

: Released in the third wave of ''[[Construct-Bots]]'' Scout-class kits, Breakdown comes as a pack of disassembled parts. He is then assembled into a skeleton of sorts, then once his armor is applied, he can transform into a truck and back without disassembly. His various parts are covered in 3mm bars and 5 mm post-holes to attach weapons to. As all of the first-year ''Construct-Bots'' joints are universal, you can swap parts and combine him with other kits to make some ''interesting'' combinations.

: Breakdown is made up almost entirely of recycled parts from other figures. His vehicle hood, chest armor, and leg armor are all from [[Hound (G1)/toys#Construct-Bots|Hound]]. His shoulder armor is [[Ironhide (G1)/toys#Construct-Bots|Ironhide's]] thigh armor, and his feet, thigh armor, forearm armor, and axe are from [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Construct-Bots|Optimus Prime]]. His head is the only unique part of the toy, and it's just a retooling of Hound's with a snarling face being the only change.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2013/Decepticon/CBBreakdown/breakdown.htm More information on ''Construct-Bots'' Breakdown at TFU.info]''
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===''Unite Warriors''===
{{anchor|UniteWarriors}}
[[File:UW-toy BreakdownZombieWar.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|[[Breakdown (G1)|Aaand we're back where we started.]]]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Grand Galvatron''' (Multi-pack, [[2016]])}}</ul>
:*''ID number:'' '''UW-06'''
:*''Release date'': [[April 30]], 2016
:*''Accessories'': Axe, hand/foot/gun

: ''[[Transformers Unite Warriors|Unite Warriors]]'' "Zombie War Breakdown" is a [[redeco]] of ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' Deluxe Class [[Offroad (CW)#Toys|Decepticon Offroad]], transforming into a 4x4 double-cab pickup truck. He includes a [[5 mm post|5 mm handle]] axe weapon (which can form a side-mounted exhaust pipe for truck mode), and a larger accessory that can form a hand or foot for his limb modes or a gun for robot mode, and can also be mounted on a tab in the vehicle mode's truck bed to form a giant engine block.

: As a Deluxe-sized ''Unite Warriors'' figure, Breakdown can form a limb for any ''Combiner Wars''-style Combiner, or become one of [[Godbomber#Legends|''Legends'' Godbomber]]'s legs, although he is nominally part of [[Grand Galvatron#Toys|Grand Galvatron]]. While the front hood/windshields are needed to be folded as kneecaps for his leg mode, the piece also has a tendency to dislodge if he collides with Optimus Prime/Motormaster's and Hot Spot's protruding foot while the legs are being swiveled in his standing position, unless the leg joints are bent down to lessen the problem. Thankfully, he does not have this problem with his normal Combiner team.

: War Breakdown was sold in a [[TakaraTomy Mall]]-[[exclusive]] giftset of Grand Galvatron, along with [[Cyclonus (G1)/toys#Unite Warriors|Tactician Cyclonus]], [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Unite Warriors|Ghost Starscream]], [[Thrust (Armada)#Unite Warriors|Curse Armada Thrust]], and [[Roller (G1)#UW06|Wandering Roller]].
{{CWOffroadMold}}
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===''Legacy''===
[[File:Legacy-United-Breakdown.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|I even have space in my chest for Silas!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Mayhem Attack Squad ''' (2-pack, [[2024]])}}</ul>
:*Accessories: Tarp cover, hammer, blaster, mace
:Packaged with [[Windsweeper#Legacy|Windsweeper]], Prime Universe Breakdown is a retool of his rival, [[Bulkhead (Prime)#Legacy|Prime Universe Bulkhead]], with a new head, transforming into a squished version of a Rába H18 military truck. He comes with the hammer Bulkhead received in the ''Wreck N' Rule'' collection, which was based on the hammer Breakdown uses in the ''Prime'' cartoon.

:He is packaged with ''Mayhem Attack Squad'' [[Windsweeper]].

: Alongside his box mates, he was revealed on [[February 29]] [[2024]].
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==Merchandise==
===McDonald's===
[[File:TransformersPrime Breakdown happymeal toy.jpg|thumb]]
*'''Breakdown''' (Happy Meal, 2012)
**''McNumber'': '''6'''
:Happy Meal Breakdown is a non-transforming SUV. Rotating the rear-mounted spare tire rotates the roof to reveal a cannon resembling the one he possessed on the show.

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[[File:Breakdown_Prime_McD_Toy.jpg|thumb|Breakdown is now an unofficial SPEEN enthusiast!]]
*'''Breakdown''' (Happy Meal, 2013)
**''McNumber'': '''6'''
:This Happy Meal Breakdown is a non-transforming robot. Equipped with a hammer for each hand, squeezing his legs will cause the upper torso and arms to spin.
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==Notes==
[[File:VectorSigmaBotBuilderBreakdown.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Hammer this [[Superman]]!]]
*Breakdown's model is usable in ''War for Cybertron'' multiplayer as the Racer-type chassis for [[Scout (WFC)|Scout]]-class characters. His parts are also available in ''Fall of Cybertron'', now classified as Saboteur-type components for the [[Infiltrator (FOC)|Infiltrator]] class (although his wheels can also be used by [[Destroyer (FOC)|Destroyers]]).
*While Breakdown's bulky design is largely dissimilar from [[Breakdown (G1)|his G1 counterpart]], his red face and yellow eyes are directly lifted from his G1 toy, which had similarly colored features.
*Promotional blurbs for the episode "[[Deus ex Machina]]" mentioned that [[Lugnut (WFC)|Lugnut]] would be in the episode. Given that Breakdown acts as a rival for Bulkhead in the finished episode—which [[Lugnut (Animated)|''Animated'' Lugnut]] was played up as for [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] in the original ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Animated]]'' [[Cartoon Network]] promotional material—the fandom concluded that Breakdown was meant to be Lugnut at some point in the episode's production. The Hub's [[Mike Vogel]] challenged this notion at [[BotCon 2011]], claiming that Lugnut had been Knock Out's original name, which had been changed because "Lugnut" wasn't "sexy" enough for the character. The ''Prime'' Season 1 Blu-ray commentary, however, corroborated the original theory: Breakdown's place in the show was originally intended to belong to Lugnut, since a loyal Decepticon bruiser was desired, but the show creators wanted a land-based Decepticon instead.
*Breakdown's [[license plate]] in "[[Deus ex Machina]]" is DGOT 441.
*Breakdown's body parts were available to use in the Hub website's [[Vector Sigma Bot Builder]] online game. Normally, you cannot configure a generic 'bot using all Breakdown parts, but you can see what one would look like at right through the magic of Photoshop. While all the characters in the game are hue-shifted from their normal coloration, Breakdown ended up noticeably less-different than his peers, essentially just having a different face color.
*The bio for the Japanese "War Breakdown" release explicitly ties together his ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (360/PS3/PC)|War For Cybertron]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Prime]]'' appearances, explaining that he had his physical form upgraded in order to better face Bulkhead.
* Breakdown's appearance in the Kre-O online manga is, like most non-toy robot Kreons, made from preexisting Kre-O parts. He uses Megatron's helmet, the generic wheels on his legs, clip-on smokestacks on his arms, and some sort of apparatus to bulk up his torso.
*According to Adam Baldwin, Breakdown was killed off in ''Transformers: Prime'' due to "budget cuts".<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjXXDDpvN6k&list=PL1mRg019d7OmdUldq0LW0WgV1FrFMniQq&ab_channel=geekspeakaustralia]</ref>

===Arms Up Modes===
In the Japanese ''Prime'' toyline, Breakdown has named powered-up modes when given various [[Arms Micron]]s in certain configurations:

*'''War Mode''' (ウォーモード ''Wō Mōdo'')
**''Arms Microns'': Jida, Noji, Zamu
: Breakdown's box-back Arms Up mode is just him using the [[Big Scissor]] weapon. Yep! Despite all his other link-points, it's just him using a hand-held weapon. ''Imaginative''.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''War Breakdown''' (ウォーブレイクダウン ''Wō Bureikudaun'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Dǎjī''' (China, 打击, "Strike")

==See also==
{{OtherVersions
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|disambig=Breakdown (disambiguation)
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*[[Breakdown (IDW)|Breakdown]], the bulky [[Velocitron]]ian and [[Conjunx Endura]] to [[Knock Out (G1)|Knock Out]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].}}

==References==
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[[Category:Blue Order]]
[[Category:Construct-Bots Decepticons]]
[[Category:Cyberverse]]
[[Category:Dimension hoppers]]
[[Category:Generation 1 combiners]]
[[Category:Kre-O Decepticons]]
[[Category:Kreons]]
[[Category:Legacy Decepticons]]
[[Category:McDonald's exclusives]]
[[Category:Prime Decepticons]]
[[Category:Stunticons]]
[[Category:TakaraTomy Mall exclusives]]
[[Category:Transformers Online Decepticons]]
[[Category:Unite Warriors Decepticons]]
[[Category:War for Cybertron Decepticons]]
[[Category:Transformers Universe game Decepticons]]

Malleus Minotaurus

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:''Malleus Minotaurus is a [[Wreckers|Wrecker]] from the [[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

[[File:Tf-legacy-united-doom-n-destruction-3-pack-malleus-minotaurus.jpg|thumb|300px|Sure, this may be the cutest bonk to ever bonk a bonk...but this is no plaything!]]

'''Malleus Minotaurus''' is a grey minotaur [[Micromaster]] who becomes a grey hammer. A [[Wreckers|Wrecker]] somehow wielded by the [[Mayhem Attack Squad]], they also wear the symbol of [[Solus Prime]] on their forehead!

==Toys==
===''Legacy''===
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-wr|'''Doom 'n Destruction Collection 3-Pack''' (3 Pack, 2024)}}</ul>
:*Accessories: Handle/ gun, 2 blast effects
:Packed with [[Barrage (Insecticon)#Legacy|Barrage]] and [[Chop Shop (G1)#Legacy|Chop Shop]], Malleus Minotaurus is a grey [[redeco]] of [[Smashdown#Toys|Smashdown]], transforming from grey minotaur to hammer.

:They come with two clear blast effect parts: the first being a redeco of the original "Fire Blast" part to simulate smashing against objects, plus a new blast effect that simulates covering the end of either side in melted slag.

:Alongside their boxmates, they were revealed by CBR on [[February 29]], [[2024]].
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==Notes==
*''Malleus'' in Latin means "hammer", while ''minotaurus'' means, well, "minotaur".
*Malleus is part of a [[Forge of Solus Prime|long lineage of hammer accessories]] with ties to Solus Prime.

[[Category:Legacy characters]]
[[Category:Micromasters]]
[[Category:Wreckers]]

Chop Shop (G1)

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{{disambig2|the Generation 1 Decepticon|the Aligned Decepticon|Chop Shop (RID)}}
:''Chop Shop is a [[Decepticon]] [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:ChopShop MTMTE.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|There's a good chance he stole his body parts.]]
Are you missing a few [[energon]] chips? Wasn't there a photon rectifier on that table a minute ago? Hey, has anyone seen my [[Action Master partner]] recently? And where the heck did our new [[unspace|transwarp]] cruiser go?!

If it's not nailed, screwed, bolted, and nano-fused to the ground, chances are good '''Chop Shop''' stole it while you were reading this. The other Decepticons and his fellow [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]] are well aware of Chop Shop's skill as a master thief, but they have no idea just how deep the compulsion goes. Chop Shop is a closet {{w|Kleptomania|kleptomaniac}}, compelled to steal—not just from the Autobots, but also from his allies and even from ''himself''! The more difficult it is to steal something, the more Chop Shop feels compelled to rise to the challenge. No piece of equipment or valuable item in Decepticon headquarters is safe when he's around. So far, he's been quick-witted enough to cover his own tracks, but how long his luck holds out, and what his comrades will do when they realize just who's been robbing them blind, is anyone's guess.

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics====
{{noteukexclusive|Chop Shop}}
[[File:Uk202timewarsMayhems.JPG|upright=1.1|thumb|There's a very good chance he stole his spot on the [[Mayhem Attack Squad]].]]
Chop Shop was part of the Decepticons' elite [[Mayhem Attack Squad]]. The Mayhems were sent from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] to help the [[Wreckers]] defeat [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] and [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], the latter's presence in his own past causing a time storm that threatened all of reality. However, the sheer power possessed by their targets overwhelmed not only the Mayhems and Wreckers, but a number of other Transformers pulled into the fight as well. Chop Shop was destroyed during this battle, his death convincing Carnivac to retreat from the enemy base. {{storylink|Time Wars}}

====''Regeneration One''====
{{NoteRG1}}
[[File:LooseEnds1 Soundwave Insecticons.jpg|left|thumb|upright=0.55|There's a good chance he stole [[Barrage (Insecticon)|Barrage]].]]
[[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]] ordered Chop Shop, [[Venom (G1)|Venom]], and [[Ransack (G1)|Ransack]] to ensure that the [[Skyscorcher]]s, under siege in the [[Pax Cybertronia Decommissioning Depot]] in [[Kalis]], would be "martyrs" to the Neo-Decepticon cause. The three Insecticons infiltrated the depot and eliminated their targets, with Chop Shop taking out [[Windrazor (G2)|Windrazor]] and [[Afterburner (G2)|Afterburner]]. However, they were then surprised in turn by the appearance of the Wreckers, who blew in and captured them inside a [[detention-sphere]]. {{storylink|Loose Ends, Part 1|Loose Ends #1}}

====''Transformers '84''====
[[File:Decepticons purge secrets and lies 1.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.6]]

In the early days of the [[Great War (G1)|war]] on Cybertron, Chop Shop was part of a Decepticon assault alongside [[Barrage (Insecticon)|Barrage]], [[Ransack (G1)|Ransack]], [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]], [[Octane]], [[Runabout (G1)|Runabout]], [[Runamuck (G1)|Runamuck]], [[Venom (G1)|Venom]], and the Autobot double agent [[Punch (G1)|Counterpunch]]. {{storylink|Secrets & Lies issue 1|Secrets & Lies #1}} Later, he was seen as part of a force attacking a fort in the [[Border Regions]], on the orders of [[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]]. {{storylink|Secrets & Lies issue 2|Secrets & Lies #2}}
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===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
[[File:Ratbatwarwithin.jpg|thumb|left|Chop Shop really wants to steal the spotlight from Ratbat right now.]]
8.2 million years ago, Chop Shop participated in [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s assault on [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]. {{storylink|The War Within issue 3|The War Within #3}} During the offensive, he and a few other Decepticons attacked the [[Guardian robot]]s acting as the last line of defense for the [[Decagon]]. {{storylink|The War Within issue 4|The War Within #4}} He presumably retreated with the rest of the Decepticons when [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] activated the planetary engines, devastating the city. {{storylink|The War Within issue 5|The War Within #5}}

7.4 million years ago, Chop Shop joined [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]]'s [[Ultracon]]s after the disappearance of Megatron splintered the Decepticons. Along with Ratbat, [[Venom (G1)|Venom]], and [[Ransack (G1)|Ransack]], Chop Shop ambushed and captured [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] in the [[Tagan Heights]]. He suggested that Ratbat kill Springer's Wreckers before killing him, to increase his suffering, but Ratbat opted for the more expedient option. The fuel auditor was prevented from carrying that out, however, when a battle between [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] and [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]] raged out of control, {{storylink|Escalation}} allowing Springer to escape. Chop Shop and his allies in turn fled the scene, leaving Devastator behind. {{storylink|Devastation (issue)|Devastation}}

[[File:Chop shop barrage recipe for hate.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6]]

Some time later, Chop Shop was involved in a battle against the now-unified [[Autobot]] forces, commanded by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]. When the Ultracons were reabsorbed into the Decepticons 6 million years ago, Chop Shop presumably went with them. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath|The Age of Wrath #1}}

Later, after the launch of the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] and the ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]'', Chop Shop and a number of his fellow Insecticons were reduced to a vampiric existence, capturing [[Micromaster]]s in the [[Wastelands]] and drinking their [[energon]]. Attacking a group of arguing Micros, {{storylink|Destined for Nothing}} he and his comrades devoured [[Falcon (OC)|Falcon]], but were prevented from capturing the [[Hot Rod Patrol]] and the [[Race Track Patrol]] by the arrivals of [[Groundshaker (G1)|Groundshaker]] and Shockwave, respectively — although the latter did toss them [[Flanker]] to snack on. {{storylink|The Gray Race}}

As ordered by Shockwave, Chop Shop and his mates attacked [[Little Iacon]], searching for the Hot Rod Patrol—Chop Shop accidentally snagged [[Road Hugger (G1)|Road Hugger]], but was ordered by Venom to throw him back. They eventually landed in the city and recruited the Race Track Patrol to aid them in their search. In the course of the search, Chop Shop stole [[Barrage (Insecticon)|Barrage]]'s [[sonic rifle]]. {{storylink|Recipe for Hate}} Taking their charges (and a number of captive Micromasters) back to Decepticon HQ, Chop Shop was deactivated when the Hot Rod Patrol infiltrated the base and opened fire on him. {{storylink|Victims of the Revolution}}

===''The Battle of the Star Gate''===
When [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] confronted the two [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]]s on the ''[[Trigger]]'', Chop Shop was part of his forces. When the [[Autobot]]s arrived, the [[Decepticon]]s battled them, till the Starscream of the future interrupted the battle by merging with the ''Trigger''. In the ensuing conflict, the ''Trigger'' was destroyed and the Transformers were sent falling to the [[Earth]], becoming lost. {{storylink|The Battle of the Star Gate}}

===2005 IDW continuity===
{{first|''[[The Hunting Party (IDW)|Spotlight: Thundercracker]]''}}

[[File:Relunctant Specialist Venom and Chop Shop.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.6|Chop Shop needs to steal Trailbreaker's hiding spot.]]

During the early days of the war, Chop Shop served under [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] as part of a team sent to find the lost [[Titan (group)|Titan]] [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]. On the two-hundred-and-thirty-eighth day of this grueling campaign, Chop Shop and his colleagues destroyed a [[Nibarian]] outpost because they believed it was between them and their quarry. A hunch from [[Thundercracker (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Thundercracker]] led them further to a planet inhabited by [[Urtuskian]]s. As Chop Shop and the other Decepticons started obliterating the primitive outpost, believing Metroplex was underneath (and also because it was fun), their team was caught up to by a team of [[Autobot]]s who had been trailing them. Chop Shop and the other the Decepticons retreated without accomplishing their goal. {{storylink|The Hunting Party (IDW)|The Hunting Party}}

After the [[Great War (G1)|war]] was over, Chop Shop joined [[Lockdown (G1)|Lockdown]]'s team of [[Titan Hunter]]s. They boarded the ''[[Lost Light]]'' in search of the sloughed-off portion of Metroplex its crew had salvaged, where Venom and Chop Shop found that the only operational crewman was the newly christened [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailcutter]]. Pursuing him into the medibay, Chop Shop was caught off guard and, ironically, knocked unconscious with the resuscitation pads. Trailcutter then dumped his body at Lockdown's feet in shuttle bay 3 before talking the Decepticons into retreating. {{storylink|The Reluctant Specialist}}

Chop Shop was still working under Lockdown on the supposedly lost [[Moonbase One|Luna 1]], where they discovered a small landing party from the ''Lost Light'' attempting to extract a [[Point One Percenter]] [[spark]] from a giant [[hot spot (phenomenon)|hot spot]]. Accusing the interlopers of "trespassing", Lockdown's crew opened fire. {{storylink|Remain in Light 1 of 5: The Fecund Moon|The Fecund Moon}} They chased the "trespassers" into a huge graveyard of deactivated Titans where the Decepticons were easily able to round them all up, then delivered them into the custody of their "crazy boss" Chief Justice [[Solomus|Tyrest]]. {{storylink|Remain in Light 2 of 5: House of Ambus|House of Ambus}}
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===''My Little Pony/Transformers''===
[[File:StrengthInNumbers-ChopShop.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.6|He can steal the colour schemes of his more popular cousins, but he can't steal back his dignity.]]

Chop Shop was among the [[Insecticon clone]]s who besieged [[Sweet Apple Acres]]. In the ensuing battle against [[Applejack]]'s extended family, [[Babs Seed]] and [[Apple Bumpkin]] drove Chop Shop into the ground, where [[Big McIntosh]] kicked him in the face until he fled. {{storylink|Strength in Numbers}}
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==Games==
===''Transformers Legends''===
When it was discovered that [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] had formed the [[Bee Team (G1)|Bee Team]] to strike at Decepticon bases worldwide, Chop Shop and his fellow Insecticons managed to keep the Autobots at bay. {{storylink|The Bee Team}}

===''Transformers Roleplaying Game''===
The kleptomaniacal Chop Shop was a spark-relative of Shrapnel. {{storylink|Decepticon Directive}}

==Toys==
===''The Transformers''===
{{anchor|Generation 1}}[[File:G1 Chopshop toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|There's a good chance he'll steal this toy from you.]]
*'''Chop Shop''' (Deluxe Insecticon, [[1985]])
**''Accessories:'' [[photon cannon]], [[vibro-spear]]
{{toydesigner|[[Shinji Aramaki]] (concept artist)}}
:''[[The Transformers (toyline)|The Transformers]]'' Chop Shop transforms into a predominantly brown robotic [[Popular beast alternate modes#Stag beetles (family Lucanidae)|stag beetle]]. He is a [[redeco]] of [[#Notes|Beet-Gugal]], from the Japanese toyline ''Armored Insect Battalion Beetras'', in a colour scheme new for Transformers. His [[robot mode]] carries many of the insect bits over, with the beetle horns rising from each shoulder and insect legs upon both arms. Rather impressively, Chop Shop has a rarity among G1 toys: all six insect legs use [[ball joint]]s in one way or another.

::*''[http://www.transformerland.com/wiki/toy-info/transformers-deluxe-insecticons-chop-shop/901/ Patent info, price guide, and further reading on Chop Shop at Transformerland.com]''
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1985/Decepticon/ChopShop/chopshop.htm More information on Chop Shop at TFU.info]''
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===''Generations''===
{{anchor|Legends}}
[[File:Generationstoy-T30-LegendsMegatronChopShop.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Look at this tank I stole—oh, whoopsie."]]
*'''Megatron & Chop Shop''' (Legends Class, [[2013]])
**''Series / Number'': '''02 / #004'''
{{toydesigner|[[Joe Kyde]] (Hasbro)}}

:Part of the fourth wave of 2012-onwards ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' Legends Class toys, ''[[Thrilling 30]]'' [[Megatron (G1)/Generations toys#GenerationsLegends|Legends Class Megatron]] comes with Chop Shop, who can transform into a stag beetle, a robot, a weapon with a 5 mm handle, and a mine plow that attaches to the front of Megatron's tank mode. He features gearing that opens his pinchers when his legs are moved.

:He is admittedly simple, as his transformation from robot to beetle is just placing him flat on his chest.

:This mold was also used to make ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (toyline)#Movie Advanced Series|Movie Advanced Series]]'' [[Beet-Chop#Toys|Beet-Chop]] and [[BotCon 2015]] [[Beet-Chit#Timelines|Beet-Chit]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Decepticon/GenLegChopShop/chopshop.htm More information on ''Generations'' Chop Shop at TFU.info]''
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===''Generations'' (Japan)===
{{anchor|TG28}}{{anchor|MegatronStarscream2pack}}
[[File:TTGenerationsTG28MegatronChopShop.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Dressed in black so he is harder to notice while stealing.]]
*'''Megatron & Starscream''' (Multi-pack, [[December 28]], 2013)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TG28'''
:The [[TakaraTomy]] ''[[Transformers: Generations (Japan)|Generations]]'' version of Chop Shop is [[redeco]]ed in dark brown to closer resemble his original toy, and features a more visibly-painted eye-visor.

:[[Megatron (G1)/toys#TG28|Megatron]] and Chop Shop were only available in a two-pack with [[Starscream (G1)/toys#TG28|Starscream]] and [[Waspinator (BW)/toys#TG28|Waspinator]].
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===''Combiner Wars''===
[[File:CW-toy ChopShop.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67|"Kickback who? I've always had this wave spot."]]
*''' Decepticon Chop Shop''' (Legends Class, [[2016]])
:Part of the fifth wave of the ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' subline imprint of ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'', Legends Class Chop Shop is a new-head [[retool]]ing of ''Thrilling 30'' [[Shrapnel (G1)#Generations|Skrapnel]], transforming once again into a robotic stag beetle.

:The promotional renders give this toy a much darker reddish-brown base plastic, more in keeping with the original Chop Shop toy, than the final product ended up with. It also shows some extra paint on the legs and chest that the toy does not have. Additionally, Chop Shop uses the movie-style Decepticon insignia, a fairly common screw-up for toys since the beginning of the live-action movie toylines.

:Though Chop Shop's wave was scheduled for a first quarter 2016 release, it actually arrived on U.S. store shelves in late 2015.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2016/Decepticon/CWChopShop/chopshop.htm More information on ''Combiner Wars'' Chop Shop at TFU.info]''
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===''Legacy''===
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Doom 'n Destruction Collection 3-Pack''' (3 Pack, 2024)}}</ul>
:*Accessories: Back insect legs/blasters, gun, 2 [[Fire Blast effect]]s
:Packed with [[Malleus Minotaurus#Legacy|Malleus Minotaurus]] and fellow Deluxe Insecticon [[Barrage (Insecticon)#Legacy|Barrage]], Chop Shop is a retool of [[Shrapnel (G1)#Legacy|''Legacy'' Shrapnel]] with a new head and pincers. Coincidentally, ''Legacy'' Shrapnel was retooled separately into [[Bombshell (G1)#Legacy|Bombshell]], who in turn became Barrage, so this box set includes two permutations of the same originator mold.

: Alongside his box mates, he was revealed on [[February 29]], [[2024]].
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==Merchandise==
===Transformers Trading Card Game===
[[File:W1ChopShop.jpg|thumb]]
*'''Chop Shop, Sneaky Insecticon''' ([[2018]])
**'''Wave 1'''
**''Rarity:'' '''UT'''
**''Card Number: '''''T10/T40'''
**''Stars: ''6
:'''Chop Shop, Sneaky Insecticon''' is one of forty double-sided character cards available in Wave 1 of the [[Transformers Trading Card Game]].

:The artwork on the card is reused from the ''[[Transformers Legends (mobile game)|Transformers Legends]]'' mobile card game, with line-art for both Bot and Alt-mode by [[Dan Khanna]].
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[[File:W4RaiderChopShop.jpg|thumb]]
*'''Raider Chop Shop, Infantry-Soldier''' ([[2019]])
**'''Wave 4: War for Cybertron: Siege II'''
**''Rarity: '''''CT'''
**''Card Number: '''''T31/T52'''
**''Stars: ''7
:Raider Chop Shop, Infantry-Soldier is one of 52 character cards released in Wave 4 of the [[Transformers Trading Card Game]], War for Cybertron: Siege II.

:The card features original artwork based on the ''[[Combiner Wars (franchise)|Combiner Wars]]'' Chop Shop toy, with line-art for both modes by [[Sara Pitre-Durocher]] and colors by [[Cara Burns]].
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==Notes==
[[File:1985MuralDXInsecticons.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
*Chop Shop, like all of the Deluxe Insecticons, was designed by [[Artmic]] and originally produced by [[Takatoku Toys]] for inclusion in their ''Armored Insect Battalion Beetras'' toyline (機甲虫隊ビートラス). Decoed in black and grey, the mold first saw release as the protagonist mecha '''Beet-Gugal''' (ビート・グガル ''Bīto Gugaru'')—based on the Japanese word for "stag beetle", ''kawagatamushi'' (クワガタムシ). Takatoku Toys went out of business a short while later in 1984, and their assets were purchased by fellow Japanese toymaker [[Bandai]]. At that time, Bandai was not very active in the U.S. market, making Bandai a competitor of [[TakaraTomy|Takara]], but not of [[Hasbro]]. Due to this, the company had no objection to licensing various Takatoku molds to Hasbro in 1985 for sale primarily in the American market as part of their version of the [[The Transformers (toyline)|''The Transformers'' toyline]]. Nowadays, Bandai has a worthwhile interest in every market and since it only once licensed the molds, there is little likelihood that Chop Shop and company will ever be reissued.
*Since Hasbro and Takara shared the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|original ''The Transformers'' cartoon]] as promotional material for their respective versions of the toyline, Chop Shop and the other Deluxe Insecticons were not included in its cast to avoid giving Japanese market-competitor Bandai free publicity. The group was also omitted from the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|U.S. Marvel comic]] and barely appeared in the UK Marvel comics, making them the least "successful" of the Takatoku molds.
*Barrage, Chop Shop, and Venom (though not Ransack) all appeared in their ''Beetras'' color schemes on Hasbro's 1985 packaging mural, along with several other toys in early or unused color schemes.
*Ironically, Chop Shop was robbed of having a ''[[The Transformers Universe (Marvel)|Transformers Universe]]'' bio! One was written though and finally revealed to the fans on the [http://boltax.blogspot.com/2010/12/extended-bios.html ''Disciples of Boltax'' blog] in 2010.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Chop Shop''' (チョップショップ ''Choppu Shoppu'')
*''French:'' '''Trancheur''' (Canada, "Slicer")
*''Mandarin:'' '''Túfū''' (Taiwan, 屠夫, "Butcher")

==External links==
*[http://www.diaclone.net/gattaioh/beet/gugal/index.html Beet-Gugal at Diaclone.net] (Japanese)

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Talk:Bluster

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== Hmm ==

Doesn't this character's name and, basically, his entire existence as a separate entity from Blaster qualify as [[authorial intent]]? Or no, not even "intent", but moreso "after the fact declaration".--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 05:30, 13 August 2012 (EDT)
:I wouldn't even go so far as to call a joke made in response to a continuity error a "declaration." --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 09:06, 13 August 2012 (EDT)
::I think probably if we can accept stuff written about the G1 cartoon in an Ask Vector Prime written in a secret code language in a book about Animated, this isn't overstepping our established editorial reach. -[[User:LV|LV]] 09:55, 13 August 2012 (EDT)

== "the biggest Transformer family known." ==

Not anymore now that we have Medix and his Uncle Ratchet, Great-Aunt Apax, Grandfather Torquesteer and 2nd Cousin Wrench ([[User:AutoTrooper2801|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801|talk]]) 22:33, 27 February 2024 (EST))

Seeker (body-type)

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{{disambig3|Seeker}}
[[File:Generic Seekers and Conehead.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Well, they keep the toy-repainting fans off the streets, at least. (Generic Seekers from, clockwise: (1) "More than Meets the Eye, Part 3", (2) sticker sheet, (3,5,6 and 7) "Five Faces of Darkness", (4 and 8) "More than Meets the Eye, Part 1".]]
The term '''Seeker''' refers to [[Decepticon]] jet troopers who share [[Starscream (disambiguation)|Starscream]]'s [[body-type]] but with different colors or minor variations in wing and head shapes. This is most clearly and commonly known from ''[[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]]'', but any franchise with a Starscream is almost [[To sell toys|inevitably]] going to feature a similar "family" of [[redeco]]ed jet-formers.

The word "Seeker" hovered a long time in a strange gray area between official and fan-coined terms. It seems to have originated in ''extremely'' obscure official or semi-official writing, but somehow became widely used among fans. ''(See [[#Origin of the term|below]].)'' In 2002, the term appeared in dialog from the first issue of ''[[Transformers: The War Within|The War Within]]'' from [[Dreamwave Productions]], [[Canonizing|making it truly official]] after years of controversy. It has subsequently appeared in many other places such as on toy packaging, books, and in other stories.

==Generation 1 Seekers==
===List of named Seekers===
{{collist|1|
Original Seekers
* [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (leader)
* [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]
* [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]]
Original [[Conehead]]
* [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]]
* [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]]
* [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]]
More Than Meets The Eye Seekers
* [[Bitstream (G1)|Bitstream]]
* [[Hotlink (G1)|Hotlink]]
* [[Nacelle (G1)|Nacelle]]
* [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]]
[[Rainmakers]]
* [[Acid Storm (G1)|Acid Storm]]
* [[Ion Storm]]
* [[Nova Storm (G1)|Nova Storm]]
Other Coneheads
* [[Blast (G1)|Blast]]
* [[Cloudcover]]
* [[Sandstorm (G2)|Sandstorm]]
Other Seekers
* [[Avia]]
* [[Blackout (G2)|Blackout]]
* [[Blazewake]]
* [[Red Wing]]
* [[Slipstream (G1)|Slipstream]]
* [[Wheezing Arrow]]
}}

[[Itami Prime]] uses the generic Seeker design, but his unique characterization as an [[Autobot]] [[Town Commander]] prevents his membership from being definitive.

===Originals===
[[File:MainSeekers.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|The original Seekers]]
In Generation 1, there were six Seekers originally given names and characterization: [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]], [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]], [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]], [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]], and [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]]. The first three, the season one Seekers, had animation designs done primarily by [[Shōhei Kohara]].
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===Coneheads===
[[File:ConeheadsGenerations1.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|"We must consume mass quantities... of energon."]]
The last three Generation 1 Seekers are usually designated as "[[Conehead]]" Seekers by fans for their distinctive transformation that leaves the jet nosecone pointing up. Unlike their progenitors, the Coneheads typically feature more individual parts between the three, helping to better differentiate them from each other. The animation models for the Conehead Seekers were designed by [[Floro Dery]].
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===And the rest...===
[[File:MTMTEGenerics-OilField.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Aw, not "[[When Continents Collide]]" again...]]
In the Generation 1 cartoon there were large numbers of [[generic]], unnamed Seekers in addition to the named characters. They came in a wide variety of colors, from extra duplicates of Starscream or one of the other named guys, to original and distinct looks all their own. They seem to have formed the bulk of the Decepticon forces on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], as well as among [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]]'s initial troops on [[Earth]]. They gradually became less common, perhaps as a result of casualties... or the cartoon's production team becoming more careful, or more-likely having more "actual" Decepticons to work with as the toy line expanded. (Extra [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] units and alternate color cassettes were also used along with these Seekers, early on, to fill out the comparatively thin Decepticon ranks.)

These unsung Seekers would be recognized years later in ''[[Heroes of Cybertron (toyline)|Heroes of Cybertron]]'' toy form as the [[Air Warrior]]s (all using the common lavender/white color scheme). Soon afterward, the [[Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Dreamwave ''Generation One'' comic series]] introduced an army of similarly colored Seeker drones.

[[File:AirWarriors MTMtE.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|You talking to me? Or him? Or the other one?]]
Around the same time, another background Seeker was also given a new life through toys and Dreamwave's [[Transformers: Generation 1 (Dreamwave)|''Generation One'' ongoing series]]: [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]]. This yellow-orange Seeker was a nameless background character in the first episode of the ''Transformers'' cartoon, until [[e-HOBBY]] turned him into an [[exclusive]] toy (available with an [[Autobot]] also based on a [[Hauler|first-episode cameo]]). Now [[Hasbro]] [[Sunstorm (disambiguation)|can't get enough of him]]. Another generic Seeker was given attention: [[Acid Storm (G1)|Acid Storm]]. Like Sunstorm before him, he was based on one of the background Seekers from the original cartoon, in this case the episode "Divide and Conquer" (see below). And in 2013 [[Fun Publications]] got in on the act by dubbing Sunstorm's partners [[Bitstream (G1)|Bitstream]] and [[Hotlink (G1)|Hotlink]] after two Seekers from Aligned continuity. Additionally in 2015, FunPub dubbed Acid Storm's partners [[Nova Storm (G1)|Nova Storm]] and [[Ion Storm]].
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Unnamed Seekers with their own distinct color schemes appear in the following episodes as noted below:

[[File:More than meets the eye seeker.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|More Than Meets The Eye Part 1 Seekers:
Hotlink, Bitstream, Sunstorm, and Nacelle.]]
*"[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]"
:In the "return to [[Great Dome|Iacon]]" scene on Cybertron, five to seven Seekers appear (wide shots depict a group of five, but the close-ups give us seven distinct color schemes.) The first three are (as far as colors are concerned) Skywarp, Starscream (with a deeper voice provided by [[Frank Welker]]), and Thundercracker. In a following shot, we see a lavender Seeker with a flamethrower pack who would years later be named Hotlink; a medium-blue Seeker with white trim, holding his arm gun like a rifle, who would eventually be named Bitstream; a yellow/orange Seeker, who would become Sunstorm... and lurking in the back, a very dark-blue Seeker with white trim barely visible, but there if you look, who is apparently [[Nacelle (G1)|Nacelle]].

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[[File:MmteSeekers2.gif|upright=1.1|thumb|Lots of generic Seekers from this one.]]
*"[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 2]]" and "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 3|Part 3]]"
:The mother lode of unnamed Seekers. Especially if you like variations of blue and lavender. Crowds of them appear at the start of the final battle. At least six different Seekers of various shades and decos of blue and at least four of various shades and decos of lavender (two with black tail fins in jet mode, two with white). Also, a blue variant (seen in the picture above) missing his wings and shoulder vents appears in "Part 3".
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[[File:DivideandCon.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Divide and Conquer Seekers: Acid Storm, Ion Storm, and Nova Storm.]]
*"[[Divide and Conquer]]"
:Avert your eyes! One deep blue, one eye-burning bright green, and one garishly bright yellow. This trio is often referred to by fans as "the [[Rainmaker]]s" because they started an [[acid rain]] shower to irritate a group of [[Autobot]]s. The green jet in this grouping was made into the ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Acid Storm (G1)|Acid Storm]] character, whose name was initially supposed to be "Rainmaker", then "Acid Rain". A few years later, the other two received the names [[Nova Storm (G1)|Nova Storm]] and [[Ion Storm]].
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[[File:UltimateDoom.gif|upright=1.1|thumb|Ultimate Doom Seekers]]
*"[[The Ultimate Doom, Part 3]]"
:Two blue variants and one really nice looking pine-green Seeker appear as part of Shockwave's forces trying to prevent the rescue of [[Sparkplug Witwicky|Sparkplug]] on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].
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*"[[Five Faces of Darkness]]"
:One all-gray Seeker, one with [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]]'s coloration, and one with [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]]'s. There's also an interesting Conehead variant. (All of which appear in the main image above.)
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[[File:NotDirge.gif|upright=1.1|thumb|Dark Awakening Seeker]]
*"[[The Transformers: The Movie]]" & "[[Dark Awakening (episode)|Dark Awakening]]"
:One season 1-style [[:File:DirgeseekerTFMovie.jpg|Seeker]] with Dirge's colors appears in jet mode in the attack on Autobot City in the movie, and next to the actual Dirge in the episode.
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*"[[Fight or Flee (episode)|Fight or Flee]]"
:During the flashback of the "Fourth Great War", an all-black Autobot jet similar to Ramjet's alt mode is briefly seen before exploding. Seconds later, an all-black Decepticon jet similar to Thrust's alt mode is seen. As it flies upwards, the wings appear to be white, though this seems to be an animation error.
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*Puffy stickers
:A sheet of Transformer puffy stickers featured a rare generic with a Starscream-based color scheme. He is pictured above as well.
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*''[[Transformers: Punch-Out Book]]''
:In addition to Starscream, Skywarp, and numerous identical copies of both of them, this construct-it-yourself battle scene features two distinct color schemes. Each features a solid grey body with solid color wings and tail wings: one red, one yellow.
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*''[[Project Brain Drain]]''
:While Ramjet, Thrust, and Dirge are named and Skywarp is identifiable, there are numerous unnamed Seekers including a second individual with Thrust-style wings.
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[[File:Returntocybertron-seeker.jpg|upright=0.9|thumb|Return to Cybertron Seeker.]]
*"[[Return to Cybertron]]"
:This relatively obscure [[Sticker Adventures]] tale gives us a brief glimpse of a Seeker with a Thundercracker/Skywarp mix; blue body, purple tailfins and wing stripes. You can't tell much more about him, given that he is A: partially obscured and B: exploding.
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[[File:PretenderClassicsBoxArt.jpg|upright=0.9|thumb|"Classic Pretender" Seekers.]]
*[[Classic Pretender]] [[Package art|box art]]
:The box art (also used for adverts in the Marvel UK comic) for this line of toys shows Starscream attacking his Autobot counterparts alongside three others sharing his [[body-type]]. All have a silver front half in jet mode, while one has green rear fins, one has red and one is in shadow.
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[[File:TFcommagdivebombvsjhi.jpg|upright=0.9|thumb]]
*''[[Transformers Comic-Magazin]]'' [[Transformers Comic-Magazin issue 18|#18]]
:The German comic, well known for its often wacky coloring, contained a Seeker with a [[Jhiaxus (G2)|suspiciously familiar]] color scheme.
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[[File:G2UKWarWithoutEndJetGuy.jpg|upright=1.0|thumb]]
*[[Transformers: Generation 2 (Fleetway)|''Transformers: Generation 2'' (Fleetway)]] [[War Without End (issue)|#1]]
:An unnamed Seeker with a light blue body with white face, light red helmet and thighs, and yellow cockpit canopy was hanging around when Megatron boarded the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]''.
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[[File:The Ultimate Guide Maccadam's Old Oil House scene.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb]]
*[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]
:An unnamed green Seeker can be seen to the left of frame, behind the [[Maccadam's bartenders|bartender]], in the image of [[Maccadam's Old Oil House]].
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===''Wings Universe''===
{{Wingsnote}}
[[File:WingsofHonor-Skyraiders.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3|New guys, same ol' body-type.]]
The term "Skyraiders" (see [[#Alternate terms|alternate terms]]) was assigned to the prototype Starscream-like air warriors that [[Skyquake (G1)|Skyquake]] developed at the very beginning of the war. The ranks of the Skyraiders did not seem to include any of the usual Seekers, but instead comprised other flying Decepticon characters. In addition to Skyquake himself, the Skyraiders were [[Leozack]], [[Hellbat (G1)|Hellbat]], [[Hooligan (G2)|Hooligan]], and [[Guyhawk]]. {{storylink|Wings of Honor}} Starscream himself was captain of [[Deathsaurus (G1)|Deathsaurus]]'s Skyraider-Seeker Brigade until he was promoted following [[Falcon (G1)|Falcon]]'s death. {{storylink|A Team Effort}}
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[[File:TheComingStorm4-LordDeathsaurus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.0|So useful a body type that even the waiters have it.]]
*"[[The Coming Storm: Part 4]]"

''Wings'' [[Lyzack (G1)|Lyzack]] was never referred to as a Skyraider, but she had a chassis nearly identical to that of her brother Leozack.
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[[File:BattleLines5-Megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=0.6|On the lower side of the picture to the left of Megatron.]]
*"[[Battle Lines, Part 5]]"

A generic mostly red-colored Skyraider was among the audience of Megatron's victory over Deathsaurus. {{storylink|Battle Lines, Part 5}}
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*[[Red Wing]]

:Red Wing was part of a joint [[Autobot]]/[[Decepticon]] assault on the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian]] clone army. In the ensuing battle, Red Wing was shot in the back by [[Skywarp (MW)|Skywarp]]. {{storylink|Termination}}
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===''Transformers/G.I. Joe''===
[[File:Seekers-Trial by Fire.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3]]
The Seekers were awakened on the [[Fera Islands]] in [[1939]] and were reformatted as [[World War II]]-era fighter planes. Alongside such familiar faces as [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] were also several unidentified Seekers. {{storylink|The Line}} {{storylink|Trial by Fire}} They joined up with [[Cobra]] with the rest of the Decepticons, while the Autobots allied themselves with [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]. {{storylink|Transformed}} {{storylink|Trial by Fire}} They held a strong animosity towards the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] in particular, and fought against the combining Autobots. {{storylink|Wolves}} All of the Seekers that awoke on Earth were defeated by the Autobots, though the Decepticons managed to score a few fatalities of their own, including [[Superion (G1)|Superion]]. {{storylink|Trenches}} {{storylink|The Iron Fist}}
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===2005 IDW continuity===
[[File:YourFirstMistake-ColdConstruction.jpg|thumb|left|250px|[[Army-building]]. Army-building never changes.]]
Seekers are elite officers in the Decepticon army, and are expected to fulfill a leadership role on the battlefield in commanding other Decepticon troops. Seekers are expected to show absolute loyalty to the Decepticon cause. {{storylink|Things Fall Apart, Part 3: "Seasons in Flight"|Seasons in Flight}} {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 12|All Hail Megatron #12}}

Though the "Seeker" body-type was a [[Reproduction#2005 IDW continuity|mass-produced]] form used by many jet-form Cybertronians, {{storylink|Your First Mistake}} the Seekers would later take on the body type to homage their commander, Starscream, at his own suggestion; {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 6|All Hail Megatron #6}} a suggestion which, Skywarp later believed, was intended to cause confusion over Starscream's own identity so he could hide from defrauded taxpayers. {{storylink|Starscream: The Movie (comic)|Starscream: The Movie}}

{{note|The human organization [[Skywatch]] referred to [[Ravage (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ravage]] and [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] as "Seekers" in [[Devastation issue 4|''Devastation'' #4]] while [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]] also referred to [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and [[Cyclonus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Cyclonus]] with the term in "[[Rebirth]]" and [[Heart of Darkness issue 2|''Heart of Darkness'' #2]]. Neither use has any connection to Starscream's corps.}}

===2019 IDW continuity===
During the [[War of the Threefold Spark]], [[Nominus Prime]] commissioned the production of an army of Seekers to match the [[Skywarp drone|Skywarp clone]] army under [[Exarchon]]. The Seekers hunted the clones down, turning the tide of the war. {{storylink|Escape Part Three}} These war-forged Seekers suffered lingering issues, and were considered a substantial security threat by Starscream. {{storylink|Wheeljack: Orbital Decay}}

When the Decepticons attacked [[Darkmount (Cybertron)|Darkmount]], Starscream led the Seekers into battle against [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] but they failed to stop him from escaping [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Fate of Cybertron|Fate of Cybertron}}

===''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' cartoon===
[[File:SiegeEpisode6-Rainmakers.jpg|thumb|300px|left|You'll see just one of each of us!]]
[[File:WFCSiegeEp2-Hotlink.jpg|thumb|300px|You'll see a ''lot'' of us.]]
{{voiceactor|[[Kaiser Johnson]] ([[Earthrise episode 1]], [[Earthrise episode 3]], English), [[Sean Wright]] ([[Earthrise episode 1]], English)}}
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===''My Little Pony/Transformers''===
When the [[magic]] of Queen [[Chrysalis]] interfered with a [[space bridge]] and brought several Cybertronians to [[Equestria]], {{storylink|Transformation Is Magic}} the Seekers sought to conquer the city of [[Manehattan]] only to be chased off by [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]], [[Rarity]] and their general lack of teamwork. {{storylink|Shine Like a Diamond}} They eventually rejoined the larger Decepticon force in attacking the [[Crystal Empire]] before the power of friendship and the [[Matrix of Leadership]] was used to return the Decepticons to Cybertron. {{storylink|Finale (Friendship in Disguise!)|Finale}}

Following the Decepticons' construction of a new space bridge, Starscream led the Seekers to the Equestrian city of [[Las Pegasus]] to claim magical artifacts only to run afoul of [[Twilight Sparkle]] and her friends once again. The Seekers fell back to Cybertron where a magical beam from Twilight struck one of the pilfered artifacts and unleashed [[King Sombra]] who proceeded to enthral several Decepticons. When the Autobots arrived to investigate the commotion, the ponies claimed that the Cybertronian race would have to unify to combat the [[unicorn]] tyrant. {{storylink|The Magic of Cybertron}}

The Seekers were, much to Starscream's ire, forced to ally with the [[Wonderbolt]]s. When the fliers came under attack from the brainwashed Cybertronians, Starscream first ordered an indiscriminate carpet bombing, only for the Wonderbolts to create an atmospheric disturbance that instead allowed the Seekers to fire immobilizing nets at their kin. While Starscream patted himself on the back, the rest of the Seekers praised [[Rainbow Dash]]'s quick thinking {{storylink|Stunt Flying}}

After [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] and Rarity had discovered how to free Sombra's thralls, the Seekers joined in the final attack to stop Sombra from possessing the corpse of [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]. After the [[Titan (group)|Titan]] had been destroyed, Megatron chased off Starscream, who had attempted regicide while freeing Megatron from Sombra's control, while the rest of the Seekers stood down as Megatron ordered hostilities ended. {{storylink|Finale (The Magic of Cybertron)|Finale}}
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==Unicron Trilogy Seekers==
[[File:Puppet i look like thundercracker.jpg|thumb|250px]]
According to one minor source in ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'', when any Transformer converts to a jet, he is called a "seeker".<ref>''[[Transformers Armada: The Awakening]]'' DK Readers book.</ref> But the closest specific characters to the Generation 1 Seekers are this universe's own [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]]/[[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]]/[[Skywarp (Armada)|Skywarp]] trio. All three even used the same toy mold in their first release, although Skywarp was heavily [[retool]]ed from the others (including getting an entirely new-mold [[Mini-Con]] partner). While new Decepticon-allied jet characters named [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] and [[Ramjet (Armada)|Ramjet]] were released in ''Armada'', they each had their own unique molds. However, whereas Ramjet was simply the Mini-Con partner of [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave]], Thrust was a [[Bulk]] who even had a VTOL engine in jet mode, a conehead and vertically oriented wings in robot mode. Although Thrust's original toy was green, one of his redecos looked much more like his G1 incarnation while the other redeco looked like an inverted version of G1 [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]]. It was also redecoed into ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Sunstorm (Universe)|Sunstorm]].

Though only Starscream appeared in the follow-up franchise, ''[[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'', several Seekers appeared in the final portion of the Unicron Trilogy, ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]''. Starscream was back in a form heavily inspired by ''[[Transformers: The War Within|The War Within]]'' Starscream design (itself based on the "tetrajet" (see below)), while Thundercracker received a completely different body. A Skywarp was also released as a redeco of Thundercracker.

Further, the ''[[Legends Class (2005)|Legends of Cybertron]]'' Starscream toy, a tiny, simplified version of his main toy, was redecoed three more times: [[Skywarp (Armada)|Skywarp]] as a giveaway at [[San Diego Comic-Con#2005|Comic Con 2005]], [[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]] as a giveaway at [[BotCon 2005]], and [[Sunstorm (Universe)|Sunstorm]] as part of the last wave of the LOC line at retail.

[[Ask Vector Prime]] would refer to [[Aurex]] Seekers, and [[Armada Volume 5|''Armada'' Volume 5]] labeled Starscream, Thundercracker, and Skywarp as "the Seeker family".

==Live-action film series Seekers==
{{Main|Seeker (Movie)}}
[[File:The Reign Of Starscream Seekers..jpg|thumb|250px|left]]
In the letters page for [[Transformers (Titan Magazine)|Titan's tie-in comic]], the movie versions of [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]], and [[Ramjet (Movie)|Ramjet]] were first referred to as Seekers—by Starscream himself, no less. [[Dreadwing (Movie)|Dreadwing]] was noticeably absent from Starscream's list, despite also being a jet and Thundercracker also being the name/body for a line of drones. This left it unclear what a Seeker ''is''. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 9|#9's Star Screams}}

Later, the term was clarified to mean a particular unit led by Starscream. {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream issue 2|The Reign of Starscream #2}}

{{note|Similarly to the IDW cases above, the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|second movie]] would use the term "[[Seeker (ROTF)|Seeker]]" to refer to an entirely unrelated group of Transformers!}}
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==Animated continuity==
{{Main|Starscream clone (Animated)}}
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==Aligned continuity family Seekers==
[[File:Armada-clonessurroundMegatron.jpg|250px|thumb]]
The Seekers were a pre-existing group long before the formation of the Decepticons. There is some indication that the Seekers are an elite group of the best of the best fliers, although what (if anything) distinguishes a Seeker from any other flying Transformer is open to question. They tend to mostly, though not always, share a common design.

In an effort to placate the eternally feuding cities of [[Vos (polity)|Vos]] and [[Tarn (polity)|Tarn]] each was given something of value. Vos thus became the home of the [[Air Commander|Cybertronian Air Command]] home base of the Seekers. [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]] was one of their leaders before the war, and [[Autobot High Council|High Councilor]] [[Contrail (WFC)|Contrail]] seems to have been another. The Seekers were employed in ancient times to guard the secret of [[Dark Energon]] hidden aboard [[Trypticon (WFC)|Trypticon Station]]. They kept this charge even when Starscream allied with the Decepticons, though for the most part they remained largely independent in the civil war.

[[Shockwave (WFC)|Shockwave]], apparently upset at being pulled away from the [[Crystal City]], maneuvered Vos and Tarn into destroying each other, wiping out most of the Air Commanders that formed the basis of Starscream's power and bolstering his own position as Second-in-command.

In the aftermath of this betrayal, many of the surviving Seekers from Vos joined the Autobots, becoming the [[Aerialbot (WFC)|Aerialbot]]s. [[Jetfire (WFC)|Jetfire]] was one notable Seeker who defected from the Decepticons to the Autobots, helping them exploit their own flight skills further.

As part of his power play with Starscream, Megatron sent gladiators to kill many of the Air Command's scientists to finally take control of Trypticon away from the Seekers. {{storylink|Transformers: Exodus|Exodus}}

The jet-based [[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicons]] (specifically the silver "Ace" types) used by the Decepticons in the present day have been recognized as Seekers by Starscream. {{storylink|Scattered}}

'''Known Seekers:'''
*[[Vehicon (Prime)|Ace Vehicons]]
*[[Autoclave]]
*[[Bitstream (WFC)|Bitstream]]
*Contrail
*[[Dirge (WFC)|Dirge]]
*[[Dreadwing (Prime)|Dreadwing]]
*[[Hotlink (WFC)|Hotlink]]
*Jetfire
*[[Nacelle (WFC)|Nacelle]]
*[[Ramjet (WFC)|Ramjet]]
*[[Skyquake (Prime)|Skyquake]] (maybe?)
*[[Skywarp (WFC)|Skywarp]]
*[[Slipstream (WFC)|Slipstream]]
*Starscream
*[[Thrust (Prime)|Thrust]]
*[[Thundercracker (WFC)|Thundercracker]]

==Cyberverse continuity==
{{Main|Seeker (Cyberverse)}}
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The '''Seekers''' are elite jet [[Decepticon]]s under the command of [[Starscream (Cyberverse)|Starscream]] and unit captains such as [[Slipstream (Cyberverse)|Slipstream]] and [[Skywarp (Cyberverse)|Skywarp]].

==The term "Seeker"==
===Origin of the term===
The truly mysterious thing about the term "Seeker" is the fact that, despite it being widely used by fans as early as the 1990s, nobody knew where it actually ''came from'', as evidenced by confused conversations from that time on [[alt.toys.transformers]].<ref>[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_frm/thread/e885ffdf4355e933/13eeeeae7e2483b7?tvc=17 alt.toys.transformers thread from 1996 about the origin of "Seeker"]</ref> There were plenty of ''wrong'' answers; the strongest suggestion seemed to be that it came from the "[[Ferak|hunter-seeker skyship]]" used in [[The Smelting Pool!|issue #17]] of the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US comic]]—though the Decepticons it is applied to in that story are shown only in their flight modes, which look nothing like the jets in question, and are completely different from the Cybertronian forms of the Coneheads, who also appear in the issue. The only real connection between the hunter-seekers we were shown and the "Seekers" is that there's more than one of them and they fly.

During this time when the term was believed non-canon, fans flirted with other terms such as "Skyraider" ''(see [[#Alternate terms|below]])'', but in 2002 [[Simon Furman]] used "Seeker" in [[The War Within issue 1|a Dreamwave ''War Within'' script]], which sealed the deal of officiality and set the tone not just for the fandom, but for the ''Transformers'' fiction that came afterwards as well.

[[File:Seekers ad text.jpg|left|197px|thumb|No, you fool, we're following orders: We were told to scour the countryside, so we're scouring it.]]
Years later, the mystery was finally solved with the discovery of multiple department-store advertisements from the [[1984]] holiday season in which the word "Seeker" appeared. The J.C. Penney catalog (sometimes called a "wishbook") featured a page dedicated to ''[[Transformers brand|Transformers]]'' that included this statement in its description of Starscream: "Airplane with sensational F-15 styling scours the countryside searching for Autobots. When they're found, the Seekers set out to destroy them." It also said [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] "sends out messages to the Seekers and other Decepticons".<ref>J.C. Penney 1984 wishbook [[:File:Seekers ad.jpg|(full-page scan)]]</ref> J.C. Penney and (now-defunct) chains Zayre and Dahlkemper's put out ads in November 1984 listing Starscream and either Thundercracker or Skywarp as "Decepticon Seeker". In addition, one of the earliest known ads for Transformers toys '''period''' is a Zayre circular from April 1984 that uses the term.<ref name="savead">1984 "Seeker" ads [https://pleasesavemerobots.blogspot.com/2012/09/ (scans at Roboplastic Apocalypse)]</ref> The term even appears as late as 1985, in a toy-ordering catalog for (now-defunct) Western Auto, a specialty retail chain for automobile parts and accessories, which lists all the standard Transformers releases from the 1984 line-up, among them the "Decepticon (Seekers) Plane assortment", with Starscream, Thundercracker and Skywarp depicted.<ref name="westernauto">[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-general-discussion/1061758-seekers-term.html] Western Auto toy ordering guide] at TFW2005.</ref>

Presumably, then, the term "Seeker" was likely handed down by [[Hasbro]] in promotional materials, and those retailers happened to run with it. It's impossible to know with absolute certainty, but the most curious aspect of the whole story is that members of the online ''Transformers'' fan community were widely and independently using the term largely without question since the early 1990s, when the [[fandom]] was just getting on its feet, not dissimilar to the way the term "Generation 1" was coined. Were those obscure toy ads truly widely seen enough, and a strong enough part of the fandom's collective memory, to determine common parlance almost ten years after the fact? Or were there more official usages that have since disappeared? ''That'' is a mystery we may never solve!

===Alternate terms===
[[File:G1catalog86-DecepticonPlanes.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|I don't know what to call you, [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], but I know "plane" isn't it.]]
The most obvious alternate name for these Transformers—and the one generally used by toy [[Pack-in material|pack-in]] [[catalog]]s—is '''[[Decepticon Planes]]'''. While usually clear enough from context, this term has the weakness that there are many Decepticon planes who do not share this body-type. Also, the term is rarely, if ever, used outside of toy-specific contexts. The first [[United Kingdom|UK]] toy pack-in catalog referred to the group as '''strike planes'''.<ref name="ukcat">First UK toy catalog [http://www.transformertoys.co.uk/img/toysheets/g1/uksheet01/1.jpg (scan at Transformers @ The Moon)]</ref> The 1985 European [[Milton Bradley]] catalog calls them "'''Decepticon Aeroplanes'''".<ref name="mb">[http://www.tf-1.com/articles/eurous_frame.php?art=mb "Milton Bradley Transformers"] at TF-1.com.</ref> In Japan, they were called '''Jetrons'''. The ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' versions were called "'''Decepticon Jets'''".

Within the fiction, the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|cartoon]] episode "[[Atlantis, Arise!]]" features [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] calling Thundercracker a '''Deceptijet'''. And the 1985 Listen 'n Fun audio book "[[Sun Raid (Listen 'n Fun)|Sun Raid]]" has Megatron ordering the '''Deceptiplanes''' (Starscream, Skywarp, and Thundercracker) to break off an attack. The audio book "[[Jaws of Terror]]" referred to them as '''Decepticon superjets'''. The multipath adventure book "[[Dinobots Strike Back]]" has Megatron order his '''warrior jets''' to attack the Autobots, just before a "good" ending which they fail to prevent.

[[File:Tetrajet seekers.jpg|thumb|Did you ever wonder why we had to run for shelter...]]
For a long time, it has been common among fans to refer to the Seekers' cartoon Cybertronian forms (from the episode "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]" among others) as '''tetrajets''' because their shape resembles a {{w|tetrahedron}}, a pyramid with a triangular base.

If there was ever an official term that could've given "Seeker" a run for its money, it was the one used on the [[Europe]]an ''Generation 2'' packaging of Starscream and Ramjet: '''Skyraiders'''.<ref>Starscream and Ramjet's European ''Generation 2'' packaging [http://www.cobraislandtoys.com/tf/1992/starscreamg2boxfront.jpg (photo at Cobra Island Toys)]</ref> That term also appeared in those characters' profiles in the [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Fleetway)|UK ''Generation 2'' comic]]. When the modern fandom dug this information up, "Seeker" was still considered a fan-generated term, so there was a push to supplant it with "Skyraider". But Furman's use of "Seeker" in ''[[Transformers: The War Within|The War Within]]'', coupled with the rediscovery of the department store advertisements, put a damper on that movement. Some years later, the term "Skyraider" was officially resurrected to describe the jet warriors in the [[BotCon 2009]] set "[[Wings of Honor]]" (based on the [[Starscream (Armada)#Energon|''Energon'' Starscream mold]]). [[Skyquake (G1)|Skyquake]] was indicated as the body-type's developer in-universe.

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==Games==
===''Transformers: Mystery of Convoy''===
[[File:Jetron MoCsprites.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
*''Stages'': 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 9
*''Point value'': 100 (jet mode) / 300 (robot mode, red jet mode) / 5000 (red robot mode)

Making up the overwhelming bulk of the Decepticon forces, "Jetron" soldiers appear in vast numbers, swooping in from high altitude in jet mode to try and crash into the Autobots. If shot, they pause in midair to transform to robot mode, dropping to the ground and continuing their assault on foot. In robot mode, they are ''just'' a bit too short to be shot with robot-mode weaponry when on the same level as robot-mode Autobots, so hitting them in midair as they fall is the best bet to destroy them... or just use the momentary pause while they transform to slip by them, which is usually safer.

Jetrons flying in a straight line are destroyed with just one hit; rather than converting to robot mode, they leave behind an upgrade the Autobots can use to temporarily augment their abilities.

Special red Jetrons occasionally appear, flying in a straight line: when shot, they transform to robot mode but then try to fly away in the opposite direction at top speed. Destroying them releases [[Bumblebee (G1)#Transformers: Mystery of Convoy|Bumblebee]], who escorts Autobots ahead a few zones, bypassing many hazards. These Jetrons only appear in the [[Temple Ruins]] and [[Glacier Zone]], though they won't appear in the latter if they are destroyed in the former. {{storylink|Transformers: Mystery of Convoy}}

{{note|Non-red Jetrons use the same robot-mode sprite as the [[Blitzwing (G1)#Transformers: Mystery of Convoy|Blitzwing clones]]. The [[Transformers: Mystery of Convoy (promo video)|''Mystery of Convoy'' promo video]] claims that named individual Seekers show up in the various levels, but... yyyyyyeah, it's all a buncha identical jets in vaguely-Starscreamy colors.}}

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===''The Transformers: Battle to Save the Earth''===
In this iteration of the Autobot/Decepticon conflict, it seems all the Decepticon possess the Seeker body-type. There are also innumerable amounts of them. {{storylink|The Transformers: Battle to Save the Earth}}

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===''Transformers: Cybertron Adventures''===
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{{storylink|Transformers: Cybertron Adventures}}

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===''Transformers: Devastation''===
[[File:ConeheadSeekerConcept.jpg|thumb]]Besides Starscream, Thundercracker, and Skywarp, generic [[Conehead|conehead-style]] Seekers were encountered by the Autobots during Megatron's plan to cyberform the Earth. There were three types encountered: Warriors (standard), Heavy Weapons (use missiles), and Elites (use swords).
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===''Transformers Roleplaying Game''===
A combined reconnaissance and attack wing, the Seekers were drawn from the fastest fliers in the Decepticon army and led by the treacherous [[Air Commander]] [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]. The Seekers frequented a lunar base built on the dark side of Earth's [[Moon (moon)|Moon]]; following Unicron's destruction and the rise of the [[Sweep (G1)|Sweep]]s within the Decepticon ranks, the two sides largely avoided one another. {{storylink|Decepticon Directive}}

==Toys==
{{note|Because of the bodytype-sharing nature of the Seekers, this section includes only molds that have been decorated as two or more Seeker characters, omitting a large number of molds unique to a single character.}}
===''The Transformers''===
{{anchor|Generation 1}}
[[File:G1catalog84-DecepticonPlanes-Redeco.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|The original Seekers.]]
*'''[[Decepticon Planes]]''' ([[1984]])
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:*[[Skywarp (G1)/toys|Skywarp]]
:*[[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]]
:*[[Thundercracker (G1)/toys|Thundercracker]]
}}

*'''Decepticon Planes''' ([[1985]])
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:*[[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]]
:*[[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]]
:*[[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]]
}}

:The original Seeker mold was the [[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes#F-15 Eagle|F-15]] ''[[Diaclone]]'' design, noted for its detailed jet mode, extremely limited robot-mode articulation, and the need to remove/add many parts during transformation.

:The mold was initially decorated as Starscream, Skywarp, and Thundercracker. In 1985, Ramjet, Dirge, and Thrust were created out of this mold, each with unique new wing toolings and color schemes. Redecorated [[retool]]s of the mold also appeared in ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' as Starscream and Ramjet, featuring new accessory [[soundbox]]es.

:This mold subsequently has been extensively reissued and redecorated; see [[Starscream (G1)/toys]] for a ridiculously long list of examples. The reissues have included the original six characters as well as the retro-Generation-1 character [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]].

*'''[[Action Master]]s''' ([[1990]])
[[File:G1toy-ActionMaster-Thundercracker.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Action Master Thundercracker]]
:This non-transforming action figure mold was sold as Starscream, and later redecorated as Thundercracker for the European market.
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===''Machine Wars''===
[[File:MW-toy Skywarp.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|''Machine Wars'' Skywarp]]
*'''Basic''' ([[1997]])
:A small [[flipchanger]] mold, originally intended for ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'', was issued as Thundercracker and Skywarp.
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===''Armada''===
[[File:Armada SS toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|''Armada'' Starscream]]
*'''Max-Con''' ([[2002]])

:An all-new mold sold at the $20 price point was originally issued as ''Armada'' [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]], redecorated as ''Armada'' [[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]], and retooled as ''Armada'' [[Skywarp (Armada)|Skywarp]]. The retooled version was later issued as the new character [[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]] in the 2003 ''Universe'' toyline.

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[[File:PL_Brown_Thrust.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb| ''Armada'' Powerlinx Thrust...who is also Dirge]]
*'''Super-Con'''/'''Deluxe''' (2003)

:This mold was released as three different decoes of [[Thrust (Armada)|''Armada'' Thrust]] and as [[Sunstorm (Universe)|''Universe'' Sunstorm]]. One deco of Thrust was repurposed as [[Dirge (Armada)|Dirge]]. This mold is also the basis of the non-toy ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' characters [[Lidar]] and [[Sitrep]].
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===''Smallest Transforming Transformers''===
[[File:STFThrust toy.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|''Smallest Transforming Transformers'' Thrust]]
:The ''Smallest'' line, issued in Japan in [[2003]], featured a reduced-scale version of the original Generation 1 Seeker mold.

:It was issued as Starscream, Skywarp, and Thundercracker, and retooled as Thrust.
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===''Robotmasters''===
[[File:Robot Masters black starscream.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''Robot Masters'' Starscream Limited Black Version]]
:A new Seeker mold was created for Japan's ''[[Robotmasters (franchise)|Robotmasters]]'' subline. It is based on the original toy, but redesigned at a smaller size and with enhanced articulation.

:It was issued as Starscream (regular and black versions), Skywarp, and Thundercracker.
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===''Energon''===
[[File:Timelinestoy-LeozackWoH.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|''Timelines'' Leozack]]
*(Deluxe, [[2004]])
:An all new mold transforming into a jet loosely based on an F22 raptor, this figure was initially released and then redecoed as [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]], and was later redecoed into ''[[Transformers Timelines (franchise)|Timelines]]'' [[Leozack]] and [[Skyquake (G1)|Skyquake]] for their [[BotCon 2009]] "[[Wings of Honor]]" "Skyraider" bodies.
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===''Titanium''===
[[File:Titanium-toy Thrust.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|''Titanium'' Thrust]]
:A new Seeker mold created for the ''[[Titanium Series]]'' subline features a Cybertronian-based alternate mode, derived from the characters' appearance in ''[[Transformers: The War Within|The War Within]]'' (itself loosely based on the original pyramid jets seen in "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]".) This mold has been issued as Thundercracker, Starscream, Skywarp (a convention exclusive), Sunstorm, and Thrust (a Target Exclusive).
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===''Cybertron''===
[[File:Cybertron-toy_LegendsSunstorm.JPG|thumb|upright=1.67|''Legends of Cybertron'' Sunstorm]]
*'''Legends of Cybertron''' ([[2006]])
:A tiny version of the Voyager mold, issued as ''Armada'' Starscream, and redecorated as ''Universe'' [[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]], ''Armada'' [[Skywarp (Armada)#LOC|Skywarp]], and [[Sunstorm (Universe)|Sunstorm]], and Generation 1 [[Ramjet (G1)#Universe (2008)|Ramjet]] and [[Thrust (G1)#Universe (2008)|Thrust]].
:A small version of the Deluxe mold was available as [[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]] and was redecoed as [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Starscream]] for the ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' toyline.
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*'''Deluxe''' (2006)
[[File:CybertronSkywarp toy.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|''Cybertron'' Skywarp]]
:Though Thundercracker wasn't the same mold as Starscream in this series, his deluxe toy was redecoed as Skywarp. It was later redecoed into the non-Seeker character [[Divebomb (Movie)|Divebomb]].
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*'''Voyager''' (2006)
[[File:Universe 2008 Dirge toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''Universe'' Dirge]]
:This mold, based on G1 Starscream's ''[[Transformers: The War Within|The War Within]]'' appearance, was issued as ''Armada'' Starscream, and later redecorated as Generation 1 Dirge.
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===''Classics''===
[[File:Timelinestoy-Nacelle.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''Timelines'' Nacelle]]
*'''Deluxe''' (2006)
:An all-new mold at the $10 price point, the ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' Seeker design retains the F-15 alternate mode, but with a new [[Transformation|transformation scheme]] and modern articulation.

:Like the original, this mold has been redecorated and retooled numerous times. In addition to the original six Seekers, it has also been issued as [[Acid Storm (G1)|Acid Storm]], [[Bitstream (G1)|Bitstream]], [[Hotlink (G1)|Hotlink]], [[Nacelle (G1)|Nacelle]], and [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]]. In addition to its original release in ''Classics'', the various uses of this mold have occurred in the ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei!]]'', ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'', ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'', ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'', ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|Shattered Glass]]'', and ''[[Transformers United|United]]'' toylines. Versions of this mold have been mass retail releases, store exclusives, specialty exclusives, convention exclusives, and fan club exclusives.

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===''Masterpiece''===
[[File:TRU Masterpiece Acid Storm.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|''Masterpiece'' Acid Storm]]
:A larger-scaled, highly complex mold. Issued as Starscream in 2005, with later retools as Skywarp, Thundercracker, and most recently Ghost Starscream, with transparent parts. The mold was heavily retooled in 2012 for another release as Starscream along with redecoes as Sunstorm, Acid Storm, Thundercracker, and Skywarp. It was even more extensively retooled and redecoed in 2016 as Ramjet, Thrust, and Dirge.

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{{MP11SeekerMold}}
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[[File:TF-Masterpiece-MP-52-Thundercracker.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''Masterpiece'' Thundercracker Ver. 2.0]]
*'''Ver. 2.0'''
:A second ''Masterpiece'' Seeker mold was released in 2021, opting for cartoon accuracy as opposed to the original release's more stylized appearance. So far, [[Starscream (G1)/toys#MP52|Starscream]], [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#MP52|Thundercracker]], and [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#MP52|Skywarp]]'s figures have been revealed for the new mold.
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===''Transformers'' (2007)===
[[File:Movie Legends Starscream.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|''Transformers'' (2007) Legends-class Starscream]]
*'''Legends'''
:This Legends-class mold is a highly simplified, low-cost version of Starscream in his F-22 Raptor body. As such, he has a greatly compromised transformation sequence due to the smaller parts count, with limited articulation and detailing. In addition to numerous redecoes sold as Starscream, it was also used to make ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]].
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[[File:Skywarp ROTF Voyager toy.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|''Revenge of the Fallen'' Skywarp]]
*'''Voyager'''
:The mold used for the [[Size class|Voyager]] class [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] figure was retooled and redecoed into [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]] (as well as a G1 recolor of Starscream.) For the ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' line of toys, the original mold and the retool were recolored again as [[Ramjet (Movie)|Ramjet]] and [[Skywarp (Movie)|Skywarp]] respectively.
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[[File:Movie FAB Ramjet.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|''Transformers'' (2007) Fast Action Battler Ramjet]]
*'''Fast Action Battler'''
:The [[Fast Action Battlers]] version of Starscream was recolored into Ramjet in 2007.
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===''Animated''===
[[File:Ani-toy Starscream CloneBlack.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|''Animated'' Legends-class Starscream Clone Black Version]]
*'''Legends'''
:The tiny [[Legends Class (2005)|Legends Class]] [[Starscream (Animated)#Legends Class|Starscream]] mold was recolored into clear versions of his (male) clones:
:* [[Ramjet (Animated)#Toys|Ramjet Clear White Version]]
:* [[Skywarp (Animated)#ClearEZCollection|Skywarp Clear Purple Version]]
:* [[Sunstorm (Animated)#ClearEZCollection|Sunstorm Clear Orange Version]]
:* [[Thundercracker (Animated)#ClearEZCollection|Thundercracker Clear Blue Version]]
:* [[Starscream Clone Black Version]]
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[[File:Ani-toy Sunstorm VoyH.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|''Animated'' Sunstorm]]
*'''Voyager'''
:The Voyager class [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] from [[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Animated]] was recolored into a few of his [[Starscream clone (Animated)|clones]]:
:*[[Skywarp (Animated)#Toys|Skywarp]]
:*[[Sunstorm (Animated)#Fantastic toys|Sunstorm]]
:*[[Thundercracker (Animated)#Voyager|Thundercracker]] (unreleased)
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[[File:Ani-toy Dirge.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|''Animated'' Activators Dirge]]
*'''Activators'''
:Starscream's [[Activators]] mold, a smaller, auto-transforming design based on the larger toy, was (eventually) redecoed into ''most'' of his clones:
:* [[Dirge (Animated)#Toys|Dirge]]
:* [[Ramjet (Animated)#Activator|Ramjet]]
:* [[Skywarp (Animated)#Activator|Skywarp]]
:* [[Thundercracker (Animated)#Toys|Thundercracker]]
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===''Transformers'' (2010)===
[[File:Chronicletoy ez thundercracker.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|''Chronicle'' Thundercracker]]
*'''Legends'''
:[[Legends Class (2005)|Legends Class]] Starscream is a new sculpt based on his Generation 1 jet appearance with many fuselage details borrowed from the [[#Masterpiece|Masterpiece version]]. This sculpt was also used to make ''[[Transformers Chronicle (toyline)|Chronicle]]'' [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Chronicle|Thundercracker]], Starscream, and [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Chronicle|Skywarp]].
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===''Alternity''===
[[File:Alternity starscream.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|''Alternity'' Starscream]]
:Rather than a jet, this mold transforms into a licensed 1:32 scale {{w|Mitsuoka Orochi}} and features [[die-cast]] metal parts and rubber tires, as well as an opening hood, trunk and doors. It was used to make [[Starscream (G1)/toys|the]] [[Skywarp (G1)|usual]] [[Thundercracker (G1)|three]] (as well as non-Seeker [[Banzai-Tron (G1)|Banzai-Tron]]). In the ''Alternity'' storyline, these three are known as [[Questor]]s. Y'know, ''quest'' like ''seek''.
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===''Dark of the Moon''===
[[File:DOTM MechTech Deluxe Skywarp.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|''Dark of the Moon'' Skywarp]]
*'''Deluxe''' ([[2011]])
:This all-new sculpt transforms into a surprisingly accurate F-22 Raptor while hiding the robot mode parts much better than previous molds. It was first released as Starscream and later redecoed into [[Thundercracker (Movie)#Dark of the Moon|Thundercracker]] and [[Skywarp (Movie)#Dark of the Moon|Skywarp]].
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===''Generations''===
[[File:Generationstoy-Thrilling30Thundercracker.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|''Generations Thrilling 30'' Thundercracker]]
*'''Deluxe''' ([[2012]])
:This mold is based on the Seekers' appearance in [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (games)|''War For Cybertron'']] and [[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|''Fall of Cybertron'']]. Transforming into a jet loosely resembling previous "Tetrajets," it was issued as [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]], [[Thundercracker (WFC)|Thundercracker]], and [[Skywarp (WFC)|Skywarp]]. The molds simultaneously represent both [[Aligned continuity family|Aligned]] incarnations of the characters as well as their IDW counterparts' appearances in the [[2005 IDW continuity]].

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[[File:Gen-toy AcidStorm.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''Generations'' Acid Storm]]
*'''Legends''' ([[2013]])
:This mold is based on based on Guido Guidi's Seeker design from IDW's [[The Transformers (IDW)|original ongoing series]] and transforms into a hybrid F15/F22. The mold was originally released as Starscream, and was redecoed into Acid Storm, Thundercracker, and Skywarp.

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[[File:Generationstoy-TakaraTomy-ArmadaStarscream.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''Generations'' Starscream (Japanese-version)]]
*'''Deluxe''' ([[2014]])
:Armada Starscream, as the name of the figure implies, is an updated representation of [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] in ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' body. Like the ''Fall of Cybertron'' Starscream figure, it also represents Starscream in the 2005 IDW continuity, even including a comic book in which he takes this form. It has been retooled into [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]], who resembled the Seekers throughout his appearances in the [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|Generation 2 comics]]. The mold was also retooled into [[Skywarp (Armada)|Skywarp]] and [[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]]. It was also redecoed in colors representing Starscream's Powerlinx form in the cartoon and Takara toyline; this deco was later [[repurposing|repurposed]] as [[Thundercracker (Armada)|''Armada'' Thundercracker]].
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===''Prime: First Edition''===
[[File:Timelinestoy-SlipstreamPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|''Timelines'' Slipstream]]
*'''Deluxe''' (2011)
:The first toy to represent [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]] as he appears in [[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|''Transformers: Prime'']], this mold would later be redecoed and retooled into [[Skywarp (WFC)|Skywarp]] and [[Thundercracker (WFC)|Thundercracker]] in TakaraTomy's ''Prime'' line, as well as ''Timelines'' [[Slipstream (WFC)|Slipstream]].
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===''Robots in Disguise''===
[[File:RID2015_Warrior_Skywarp.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|''Robots in Disguise'' Warrior-class Skywarp]]
*'''Warrior'''
:This new sculpt incorporates influences from both [[Starscream (Animated)|''Animated'' Starscream]] and [[Starscream (G1)|''Generation 1'' Starscream]], specifically the latter's appearance during the coronation scene in [[The Transformers: The Movie|the G1 movie]]. Aside from differing Hasbro and Takara decos, it was also redecoed as [[Skywarp (WFC)|Skywarp]].
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===''Combiner Wars''===
[[File:Generations Leader TC.jpg|thumb|upright=1.8|''Generations'' Leader-class Thundercracker]]
*'''Leader''' ([[2015]])
:A heavy retool of ''Generations'' [[Jetfire (G1)/toys#Generations|Jetfire]], this figure is sculpted to resemble the same design by Guido Guidi as the ''Generations'' Legends-class Seeker mold. Unusually, the retooled version of the mold was initially released as Thundercracker before being later redecoed as Starscream and Skywarp.
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===''War for Cybertron: Siege''===
[[File:TF-Generations-WFC-S-Rainmaker-3-pack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|''Siege'' [[Rainmaker]] three pack]]
*'''Voyager'''
:''[[War for Cybertron: Siege|Siege]]'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Starscream]] transforms from a heavily G1-inspired robot to a Cybertronian 'tetrajet' based on the Seekers' appearance in "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]" and back; although the jet mode has the robot legs sticking out from the undercarriage. Naturally, the ''Siege'' Starscream mold has been redecoed into the remaining members of the 1984 Seekers, as well as some previously unreleased characters.
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===''War for Cybertron: Earthrise''===
[[File:TF-Generations-Selects-Voyager-G2-Sandstorm.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|''Generations Selects'' [[Sandstorm (G2)#Generations|Decepticon Sandstorm]]]]
*'''Voyager'''
:The ''[[War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Earthrise]]'' Seeker mold is essentially an upscaled version of the ''Classics'' Starscream figure; taking inspiration from the 2006 mold's transformation scheme while adding some new points of articulation. Returning to the roots of the original toy, the ''Earthrise'' Seeker mold transforms into an F-15 jet and comes with a pair of null-ray accessories. Due to the figure's hollow waist and the nature of its conversion, the ''Earthrise'' Seeker mold's planned waist articulation was scrapped. This sculpt was extensively retooled and redecoed multiple times to recreate the [[Conehead]]s' distinctive head piece and their individual wing toolings.
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===''Studio Series''===
[[File:TF-SS-89-Voyager-Bumblebee-Thundercracker.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|''Studio Series'' [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]] (''Bumblebee'' mold)]]
*'''Voyager'''
:The ''[[Studio Series]]'' Seeker mold is based on the Generation 1-inspired design in ''[[Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee]]'', transforming from robot to Cybertronian tetrajet in 31 steps, and looks very similar to the unrelated [[Blitzwing (BB)#Generations|Blitzwing]] figure from the same toyline. Each figure comes with a cannon, two Null-Ray blasters evocative of the Generation 1 Seeker design, and a cardboard backdrop display depicting a war-torn Cybertron as it appears at the beginning of the film.

:Besides [[Starscream (Movie)/toys#SS72|Starscream]], this mold has been used to make [[Thrust (Movie)#Studio Series|Thrust]] and [[Thundercracker (Movie)#SS89|Thundercracker]]. Each redeco of this mold can even be repurposed into any of the [[generic]] Seekers featured in the film.

===''War for Cybertron: Kingdom''===
[[File:TF-Legacy-Core-Class-Skywarp.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|''Legacy'' [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Legacy|Skywarp]]]]
*'''Core'''
:''[[War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Kingdom]]'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Starscream]] is a roughly Legends-sized mold highly reminiscent of its larger ''Earthrise'' counterpart. The accessories packed in with the Core Class Seekers varies with release; as of writing Starscream and ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]]'' [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Legacy|Thundercracker]] come with the traditional Null-Ray accessories, while ''Legacy'' [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Legacy|Skywarp]] comes with a tuning fork-like weapon.

{{Groupstub|Cyberverse (2018), Kreons, Construct-Bots, Bot Shots, etc. All the side-line toys/merchandise stuff}}

==Merchandise==
[[File:HOC AirWarrior.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb]]

===''Super Collection Figure''===
:A small, PVC plastic figure based on the Seekers' animation model design. It was imported from Takara in the 2002 ''Heroes of Cybertron'' line.

:It was issued as Starscream, Thundercracker, Skywarp, Sunstorm, and as a six-pack of the three original seekers and three generic light purple [[Air Warrior]]s. It was retooled and redecorated as Ramjet, Thrust, and Dirge.
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===''Titanium Series''===
[[File:Titanium-toy RMThundercracker.JPG|upright=0.85|thumb|''Titanium'' Thundercracker]]
:A small, non-transforming die-cast metal figurine, based upon the Generation 1 cartoon appearance of the Seekers was available decoed as either Starscream or Thundercracker.
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===''MyClone''===
[[File:MyCloneRamjet.jpg|thumb|upright=0.7|''Myclone'' Ramjet]]
:A super-adorable figurine mold of Starscream was issued for this line, and redecorated as the [[chase figure]] Thundercracker. A Coneheads mold was also available, issued as Ramjet and chase figure Dirge, and retooled as Thrust.
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===Palisades===
[[File:PalisadesGhostStarscream.jpg|thumb|Ghost of Starscream statue]]
:Issued in 2005, this six-inch-tall polystone statue with articulated head and arms was sculpted by [[3L Creation Group]] from a design by [[George Tremarco]]. It was later redecoed as Skywarp, Sunstorm, Thundercracker, and the Ghost of Starscream.
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===''Robot Heroes''===
[[File:Robot Hero Skywarp.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85|''Robot Heroes'' Skywarp]]
:Another super-adorable figurine of Starscream, this time launching himself into the air. Redecorated as Skywarp and Thundercracker. A Thrust mold from the same line has yet to be redecorated.
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===''3D Battle-Card Game''===
[[File:3DBattleCard Ramjet.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|''3D Battle-Card Game'' Ramjet]]
:This release is a 38-point "Uncommon" piece from the [[3D Battle-Card Game]] composed of punch-out parts from two different cards that can be reconfigured to make a robot or a fighter jet. The parts layout was used to produce Movie versions of [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] and [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]] (as well as non-Seeker characters [[Dreadwing (Movie)|Dreadwing]] and [[Jetfire (Movie)|Jetfire]]) in the initial release and Generation 1 [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]], and [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] in the "Energon Wars" expansion set.
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==Notes==
[[File:BC05InfiltrationCoverSeekette.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|VOGUE!]]
*In the 1990s, Hasbro had more character plans for the ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Generation 2|Starscream]] and [[Ramjet (G1)/toys#Generation 2|Ramjet]] molds that fell through:
**A labeled piece of unused ''Generation 2'' packaging art published in [[2011]]'s ''[[Transformers Vault]]'' gave the name [[Sandstorm (G2)|Sandstorm]] to an unreleased desert camo variant on the Ramjet toy (previously seen in toy mock-up form on eBay).
**A mostly black and grey mock-up of ''Generation 2'' Starscream was also seen from the same source as the Sandstorm mock-up. In [[2020]], it became known that this mock-up was intended to be named [[Blackout (G2)|Blackout]].
**Another mock-up deco variant of the Starscream toy in [[:File:G2SSJungleprotojet.jpg|jungle colors]] is also known to exist. As with Blackout and Sandstorm, this may have been intended to be a new character.
**Lastly, ''another'' mock-up deco variant of the Ramjet toy in [[:File:WhizBangNavyRamjetRedeco.jpg|cloud camo]] is also known to exist. As with all the above mock-up decoes, this may have been intended to be a new character.
*The ''Transformers'' [[fandom]] has long mused upon the possibility of female Seekers (and produced countless {{w|Mary Sue|self-insertion characters}} that are variants on the theme). A piece of [[Hasbro]] concept art of what appeared to be a female Seeker design appeared on the [[BotCon 2005]]-exclusive cover of [[Infiltration issue 0|''Infiltration'' #0]], but the idea didn't fully see fruition until [[2008]]'s ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]'' [[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]], the first '''[[canon]]ical''' female character to share a body template with a Starscream.
*The ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' Seeker sculpt has been reused and retooled more times than any other [[mold]].

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Jetron''' (ジェットロン ''Jettoron''), '''Seeker''' (シーカー ''Shīkā'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Sōusuǒ Chě''' (Taiwan, 搜索者, "Seeker"), '''Yóují''' (China, 游击, "Guerilla")
*''Polish'' '''Szperacz''' ("Seeker"/"Scout")

==References==
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[[Category:Decepticon subgroups]]
[[Category:Fan terminology]]
[[Category:Generation 1 subgroups]]
[[Category:Generations Selects Decepticons]]
[[Category:Seekers| Seeker (body-type)]]
[[Category:War for Cybertron: Siege subgroups]]

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{{disambig2|the pre-''Transformers'' toyline|the Kreons with alternate modes|Micro-Changer}}

[[File:MicromanMicroChange.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|<s>Micromasters</s> <s>Micro Machines</s> Micromen!]]
The '''''Micro Change Series''''' (ミクロチェンジシリーズ) sub-line of [[TakaraTomy]]'s long running ''[[Microman]]'' series was, along with ''[[Diaclone]]'', one of the two major [[Pre-Transformer|sources of molds]] for the original ''[[The Transformers (franchise)|Transformers]]'' line.

==Overview==
''Micro Change'' was a subline of [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]'s successful ''[[Microman#New Microman|New Microman]]'' line of the early '80s, which consisted of 3.75" action figures that were super-posable and vehicles and robots for use by them. The Microman figures, unlike all subsequent 3.75" action figures (except their Western counterpart the {{w|Micronauts}}, made by {{w|Mego Corporation|Mego}} using licensed Microman molds) were on a 1:1 scale rather than representing full-sized [[human]]s/[[alien]]s/robots, so the transforming robots and vehicles they created had ordinary household objects (such as, um, handguns) as disguise modes. Many of the ''Micro Change'' figures came in multiple color schemes, many of which were eventually used for the ''Transformers'' line.

{{stub|Any information beyond recapping the ''Microman'' page.}}

==Toys==
The following list covers all ''Micro Change'' releases that were later rereleased as ''Transformers'' toys or otherwise inspired ''Transformers'' concepts. ''Micro Change'' molds with no ''Transformers'' relation are generally not listed as they fall outside the purview of this site.
===1983===
[[File:Enemymicrochange.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Before he was our Enemy...]]
* '''MC-01 Micross'''
{{toydesigner|[[Takashi Matsuda]] (TakaraTomy) with [[Shinji Aramaki]] (robot detailing)}}

:The first version was the blue-body, grey-limb cassette used for [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]]. A black-body, red-limb version, used for [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]], came with Cassette Man. Towards the end of the line, a [[Enemy (G1)|red-body, blue-limb version]] was released.

* '''MC-02 Jaguar'''
{{toydesigner|[[Hideaki Yoke]] and [[Takashi Matsuda]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Shinji Aramaki]] (robot detailing), [[Masakatsu Saito]] (sticker illustrator)}}

:The first version was used for [[Ravage (G1)/toys|Ravage]]. A blue version was released at the end of the line, and was used for the [[e-HOBBY]] figure [[Howlback (G1)|Howlback]]. In [[2007]], Jaguar was redecoed into [[Glit (KP)|Glit]] (later repurposed as [[Ravage (SG)|''Shattered Glass'' Ravage]]) and then [[Stripes]] in [[2012]].

* '''MC-03 Condor'''
{{toydesigner|[[Takashi Matsuda]] (TakaraTomy) with [[Shinji Aramaki]] (robot detailing)}}

:The first version was used for [[Laserbeak (G1)/toys|Laserbeak]]. The blue second version was used for the e-HOBBY figure [[Garboil (G1)|Garboil]]. [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]]'s and [[Sundor]]'s decos were created for the ''Transformers'' line.

*'''Micro Cassette Robo DX 3-Figure Set'''
:A [[giftset]] that collects the first versions of MC-01 Micross, MC-02 Jaguar and MC-03 Condor.

{{-}}
*'''MC-04 Mini Car Robo'''
{{toydesigner|[[Masaki Maruyama]] (TakaraTomy)}}
[[File:MicroChangePorsche.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|We'll slip you a fiver if you tell the guy in charge of pre-Transformer redecoes at Hasbro that this is [[Glyph (Universe)|Glyph]].]]
:This small car assortment actually had two different origins. 01-03 were designed by Takara and transform into [[super deformed]] toy cars in the style of Takara's own ''[[Choro-Q]]'' line (imported to English-speaking markets as ''Penny Racers''). They were released in red, yellow, and blue and had license plate stickers on the back of the head panel. 04-07 were initially designed as part of the little-known ''[[Mysterians]]'' toyline but left unproduced, with the tooling used by Takara for ''Micro Change''. When they came out as part of that line, they were released in only one color scheme each. Their subsequent ''Transformers'' releases were largely identical, but "Jeep" went from olive green to forest green in becoming Brawn.
:*'''01 Porsche Turbo 924''' ("red body", "blue body" or "yellow body"), Pre-[[Cliffjumper (G1)/toys|Cliffjumper]]
:*'''02 Familia 1500 XG''' ("red body", "blue body" or "yellow body"), Pre-[[Bumper (G1)|Bumper]]
:*'''03 Volkswagen''' ("red body", "blue body" or "yellow body"), Pre-[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys|Bumblebee]]
:*'''04 4WD Offroad''', Pre-[[Gears (G1)|Gears]]
:*'''05 Jeep''', Pre-[[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]]
:*'''06 Transam''', Pre-[[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]]
:*'''07 American Truck''', Pre-[[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]]

*'''MC-05 Camera Robo Microx'''
{{toydesigner|[[Hideaki Yoke]] (TakaraTomy) with [[Shinji Aramaki]] (robot detailing?)}}
:Pre-[[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]]

{{anchor|WatchRobo}}
*'''MC-06 Watch Robo'''
{{toydesigner|[[Takashi Matsuda]] (TakaraTomy)}}
[[File:Mc-06 Micro Change catalog.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|We don't have ''time'' to get into this figure's [[Circular reporting#Azimuth|whole deal]] right now. Eh? ''Eh?'']]
:This figure transformed from a robot to a watch. It came in chrome, black, blue, and gold versions. Before appearing in ''Transformers'', the toy was released in North America as the title character of the ''[[Kronoform]]'' toyline and in Europe as part of [[Joustra]]'s rather idiosyncratic incarnation of ''Micro Change''<nowiki>'</nowiki> sister toyline ''[[Diaclone]]''. Each colorway met a different fate in ''Transformers'':

:*'''Silver''' - Belatedly released in ''Transformers'' as [[Autobot (G2)|Autobot]] in ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]''. Later [[Repurposing|repurposed]] as [[Vector Prime]] in the pages of [[Ask Vector Prime]] and as the Generation 1 incarnation of [[Azimuth (G1)|Azimuth]] in [[IDW Publishing]]'s comics.
:*'''Black''' - Not released in ''Transformers''. Inspired the [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] comic character [[Meantime (G1)|Meantime]].
:*'''Blue''' - Not released in ''Transformers''. Inspired the [[Ask Vector Prime]] character [[Ephemeris]].
:*'''Gold''' - Not released in ''Transformers''. Used to represent the [[Aligned continuity family|Aligned]] incarnation of [[Azimuth (COP)|Azimuth]] in the pages of [[Ask Vector Prime]].

* '''MC-07 Gun Robo Browning M1910'''
{{toydesigner|[[Takashi Matsuda]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:Browning came either in Silver with red robot parts, or Gold with blue robot parts, in addition to a gold chromed contest piece. The version released as the Japanese exclusive [[Browning]] sported the blue parts, but with the silver body, though his animation model used in Super-God Masterforce depicted him using the gold body with the blue parts.

* '''MC-08 Cassette Machine Battlebike HG90'''
{{toydesigner|[[Satoshi Koizumi]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:The Battlebike transforms from a full-sized audio cassette into a motorbike vehicle for the included ''Microman'' figure. A [[redeco]] of this toy was released in the [[1999]] ''Microman'' line.

* '''MC-09 Cassette Machine Jetheli XL120'''
{{toydesigner|[[Satoshi Koizumi]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:The Jetheli transforms from a full-sized audio cassette into a helicopter for the included ''Microman'' figure. A redeco of this toy was re-released in the 1999 ''Microman'' line.

* '''MC-10 Cassette Man'''
{{toydesigner|[[Hideaki Yoke]] and [[Satoshi Koizumi]] (TakaraTomy) with [[Shinji Aramaki]] (robot detailing)}}

:Pre-TF [[Soundwave (G1)/toys|Soundwave]] with "Cassette Man" molded on the cassette door. He came with fake earphones and microphone that were also included in Soundwave's Japanese release, and Pre-[[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]. Likewise, the Japanese Soundwave came with Rumble instead of [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]].

{{anchor|Magnum}}
[[File:MicroChangeGunRoboMagnum.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Megatron and this guy go [[Kiloton|way back]].]]
* '''MC-11 Gun Robo S&W Magnum 44'''
{{toydesigner|[[Takashi Matsuda]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:This figure had a revolving chamber, and came with either a brown or gold hilt. [[Ask Vector Prime]] would establish that this figure represents the [[Cymond]] analog of [[Kiloton]].

* '''MC-12 Gun Robo Walther P-38'''
{{toydesigner|[[Hideaki Yoke]] and [[Takashi Matsuda]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:Pre-Japanese [[Megatron (G1)/toys|Megatron]]. This toy did not include any gun attachments (and lacked the tooling to attach them anyway), but had a gun, sword, and plastic pellets which it could fire. It came with blue inner arms and legs, and was either black with a brown grip, or grey with a black grip in gun mode. The grey version was used for all vintage Japanese Megatrons (The Goodbye Megatron set came with the U.N.C.L.E. scope and attachment bracket).

* '''MC-13 Gun Robo Walther P-38 U.N.C.L.E.'''
{{toydesigner|[[Hideaki Yoke]] and [[Takashi Matsuda]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:This figure came with all of MC-12's parts, as well as several gun extensions, namely a scope, a silencer and a shoulder stock, which were inspired by a similarly modified version of the Walther P-38 as seen in the popular 1960s spy television series ''{{w|The Man from U.N.C.L.E.}}''.<ref>"U.N.C.L.E. Special" Carbine at CIA Museum, [http://web.archive.org/web/20100324191047/https://www.cia.gov/about-cia/cia-museum/spy-fi-archives/item08.html archived version]</ref> Only one color scheme, silver with black handle in gun mode with red inner arms and legs, was released. This color scheme was used for all Hasbro releases of the original [[Megatron (G1)/toys|Megatron]] and the Japanese reissues. The toy was also released by e-HOBBY as [[Megaplex]], using the MC-12 grey/blue deco, as well as a new "Black Megatron" deco in dark chrome, black plastic in place of grey, brown handle, and red inner sections.
{{-}}

===1984===
*'''Meteor Robo''' (MC-14 - MC-16)
{{toydesigner|[[Masaki Maruyama]] (TakaraTomy)}}
:* '''MC-14 Metal Man'''

::This figure transforms from a robot into a metallic ball. It came with two guns that could either be wielded in [[robot mode]] or attached to the sides in ball mode and a circular base upon which the ball mode could sit.

::Two versions were available, the more common silver chrome with black plastic accessories and robot parts or the considerably rarer bluish-silver chrome with red plastic accessories and robot parts. This mold (minus accessories) didn't see release in ''Transformers'' until ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)#Japan|Beast Wars]]'' [[Eggbot (BW)|Eggbot]] and [[Dark Eggbot]], where it was [[retool]]ed to include a keychain. This keychain retool was later (again without accessories) used for ''[[Transformers: Kiss Players (toyline)|Kiss Players]]'' [[Star Dust]].

:* '''MC-15 Metal Leo'''

::This figure transforms from a lion into a metallic ball. It came with two guns that could either be wielded in lion mode or attached to the sides in ball mode and a circular base upon which the ball mode could sit.

::Two versions were available, the more common gold chrome with black plastic accessories or the considerably rarer silver chrome with red plastic accessories. This mold (minus accessories) didn't see release in ''Transformers'' until ''Beast Wars'' [[Eggleo]] and [[Dark Eggleo]] where it was retooled to include a keychain. This keychain retool was later (again without accessories) used for ''Kiss Players'' [[Angela]].

:* '''MC-16 Metal Hawk'''

::This figure transforms from a hawk into a metallic ball. It came with two guns that could either be wielded in hawk mode or attached to the sides in ball mode and a circular base upon which the ball mode could sit.

::Two versions were available, the more common gold chrome with black plastic accessories or the considerably rarer silver chrome with red plastic accessories. This mold (minus accessories) didn't see release in ''Transformers'' until ''Beast Wars'' [[Eggbird]] and [[Dark Eggbird]] where it was retooled to include a keychain. This keychain retool was later (again without accessories) used for ''Kiss Players'' [[Zangetsu]].

{{anchor|LockRobo}}
*'''Lock Robo''' (MC-17 - MC-18)
{{toydesigner|[[Masaki Maruyama]] (TakaraTomy)}}
:* '''MC-17 Dialman'''

::This figure transforms from a working dial lock to a robot. The toy was never released in any ''Transformers'' line, but a version in a purple deco did make a [[Easter egg|cameo]] in the [[Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Dreamwave G1 comics]] as a [[Dialman|background generic]].

:* '''MC-18 Magneman'''

::This figure transforms from a working key lock to a robot.

[[File:MicroChangeScopeMan.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|]]
{{anchor|ScopeMan}}
* '''MC-19 Binocular Robo Scope Man'''
{{toydesigner|[[Hiroyuki Obara]] (TakaraTomy)}}

: This figure transforms from a pair of working binoculars into a robot. The toy was never released in any ''Transformers'' line, but a version in a yellow deco did make a [[Easter egg|cameo]] in the [[Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Dreamwave G1 comics]] as [[Pulse|Pulse]].

* '''MC-20 Micro Scope'''
{{toydesigner|[[Hideaki Yoke]] (TakaraTomy), [[Shinji Aramaki]] (original concept)}}

: Released in a primarily black deco, MC-20 was recolored into [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]]. The third tank mode could be used as a vehicle for a ''Microman'' figure. The toy's ''Micro Change'' deco was used for the e-HOBBY exclusive [[Magnificus (G1)|Magnificus]] (and [[Perceptor (SG)|''Shattered Glass'' Perceptor]]).

* '''MC-21 Radi-Cassette Robo'''
{{toydesigner|[[Hideaki Yoke]] and [[Hiroyuki Obara]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:This figure came with an AM radio in the form of a fake Micro cassette, and an earphone. One could listen to the radio through the earphone, or put the radio in the main toy's cassette deck. After moving the switch above the left (non-functional) speaker "on" and pressing "play", a pair of batteries in the toy's right leg would amplify the signal from the cassette to the functional right speaker. A knob to the right of the tape door could change the station, and a volume knob and a plug for headphones were located on the toy's left leg. Due to the speaker plug, the transforming micro cassettes could not fit in the tape door. They could, however, fit in a compartment in the toy's back. The earphone plug could also fit in the small hole on the stock of the toys gun, and the speaker could fit in the large hole at the gun's center. The toy came in either blue or red. The red deco was used for [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]].
{{-}}

===Unreleased===
* '''MC-22 Beam Robo'''
[[File:Hardcase Micro-Change Toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
:This figure transforms from a working flashlight into a robot. It would eventually be repurposed as a full-body physical basis of the Decepticon [[Hardcase]].
{{--}}

==External links==
*[https://web.archive.org/web/20200123174642/http://www.microforever.com/1983microchange.htm Micro Change at Microman Forever.]
*[https://web.archive.org/web/20180116163727/http://1501bc.com/pretf/microman.html Microman at The Pre-Transformer Page.]
*[https://twitter.com/_necronomitron_/status/1436110567136129037?s=20 Thread] of the ''Micro Change'' ''[[TV Magazine]]'' manga, translated by Necronomitron on Twitter

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Japanese franchises]]
[[Category:Micro Change]]
[[Category:Microman]]
[[Category:Pre-Transformer franchises]]
[[Category:Other TakaraTomy properties]]

Micro Change

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{{disambig2|the pre-''Transformers'' toyline|the Kreons with alternate modes|Micro-Changer}}

[[File:MicromanMicroChange.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|<s>Micromasters</s> <s>Micro Machines</s> Micromen!]]
The '''''Micro Change Series''''' (ミクロチェンジシリーズ) sub-line of [[TakaraTomy]]'s long running ''[[Microman]]'' series was, along with ''[[Diaclone]]'', one of the two major [[Pre-Transformer|sources of molds]] for the original ''[[The Transformers (franchise)|Transformers]]'' line.

==Overview==
''Micro Change'' was a subline of [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]'s successful ''[[Microman#New Microman|New Microman]]'' line of the early '80s, which consisted of 3.75" action figures that were super-posable and vehicles and robots for use by them. The Microman figures, unlike all subsequent 3.75" action figures (except their Western counterpart the {{w|Micronauts}}, made by {{w|Mego Corporation|Mego}} using licensed Microman molds) were on a 1:1 scale rather than representing full-sized [[human]]s/[[alien]]s/robots, so the transforming robots and vehicles they created had ordinary household objects (such as, um, handguns) as disguise modes. Many of the ''Micro Change'' figures came in multiple color schemes, many of which were eventually used for the ''Transformers'' line.

{{stub|Any information beyond recapping the ''Microman'' page.}}

==Toys==
The following list covers all ''Micro Change'' releases that were later rereleased as ''Transformers'' toys or otherwise inspired ''Transformers'' concepts. ''Micro Change'' molds with no ''Transformers'' relation are generally not listed as they fall outside the purview of this site.
===1983===
[[File:Enemymicrochange.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Before he was our Enemy...]]
* '''MC-01 Micross'''
{{toydesigner|[[Takashi Matsuda]] (TakaraTomy) with [[Shinji Aramaki]] (robot detailing)}}

:The first version was the blue-body, grey-limb cassette used for [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]]. A black-body, red-limb version, used for [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]], came with Cassette Man. Towards the end of the line, a [[Enemy (G1)|red-body, blue-limb version]] was released.

* '''MC-02 Jaguar'''
{{toydesigner|[[Hideaki Yoke]] and [[Takashi Matsuda]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Shinji Aramaki]] (robot detailing), [[Masakatsu Saito]] (sticker illustrator)}}

:The first version was used for [[Ravage (G1)/toys|Ravage]]. A blue version was released at the end of the line, and was used for the [[e-HOBBY]] figure [[Howlback (G1)|Howlback]]. In [[2007]], Jaguar was redecoed into [[Glit (KP)|Glit]] (later repurposed as [[Ravage (SG)|''Shattered Glass'' Ravage]]) and then [[Stripes]] in [[2012]].

* '''MC-03 Condor'''
{{toydesigner|[[Takashi Matsuda]] (TakaraTomy) with [[Shinji Aramaki]] (robot detailing)}}

:The first version was used for [[Laserbeak (G1)/toys|Laserbeak]]. The blue second version was used for the e-HOBBY figure [[Garboil (G1)|Garboil]]. [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]]'s and [[Sundor]]'s decos were created for the ''Transformers'' line.

*'''Micro Cassette Robo DX 3-Figure Set'''
:A [[giftset]] that collects the first versions of MC-01 Micross, MC-02 Jaguar and MC-03 Condor.

{{-}}
*'''MC-04 Mini Car Robo'''
{{toydesigner|[[Masaki Maruyama]] (TakaraTomy)}}
[[File:MicroChangePorsche.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|We'll slip you a fiver if you tell the guy in charge of pre-Transformer redecoes at Hasbro that this is [[Glyph (Universe)|Glyph]].]]
:This small car assortment actually had two different origins. 01-03 were designed by Takara and transform into [[super deformed]] toy cars in the style of Takara's own ''[[Choro-Q]]'' line (imported to English-speaking markets as ''Penny Racers''). They were released in red, yellow, and blue and had license plate stickers on the back of the head panel. 04-07 were initially designed as part of the little-known ''[[Mysterians]]'' toyline but left unproduced, with the tooling used by Takara for ''Micro Change''. When they came out as part of that line, they were released in only one color scheme each. Their subsequent ''Transformers'' releases were largely identical, but "Jeep" went from olive green to forest green in becoming Brawn.
:*'''01 Porsche Turbo 924''' ("red body", "blue body" or "yellow body"), Pre-[[Cliffjumper (G1)/toys|Cliffjumper]]
:*'''02 Familia 1500 XG''' ("red body", "blue body" or "yellow body"), Pre-[[Bumper (G1)|Bumper]]
:*'''03 Volkswagen''' ("red body", "blue body" or "yellow body"), Pre-[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys|Bumblebee]]
:*'''04 4WD Offroad''', Pre-[[Gears (G1)|Gears]]
:*'''05 Jeep''', Pre-[[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]]
:*'''06 Transam''', Pre-[[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]]
:*'''07 American Truck''', Pre-[[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]]

*'''MC-05 Camera Robo Microx'''
{{toydesigner|[[Hideaki Yoke]] (TakaraTomy) with [[Shinji Aramaki]] (robot detailing?)}}
:Pre-[[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]]

{{anchor|WatchRobo}}
*'''MC-06 Watch Robo'''
{{toydesigner|[[Takashi Matsuda]] (TakaraTomy)}}
[[File:Mc-06 Micro Change catalog.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|We don't have ''time'' to get into this figure's [[Circular reporting#Azimuth|whole deal]] right now. Eh? ''Eh?'']]
:This figure transformed from a robot to a watch. It came in chrome, black, blue, and gold versions. Before appearing in ''Transformers'', the toy was released in North America as the title character of the ''[[Kronoform]]'' toyline and in Europe as part of [[Joustra]]'s rather idiosyncratic incarnation of ''Micro Change''<nowiki>'</nowiki> sister toyline ''[[Diaclone]]''. Each colorway met a different fate in ''Transformers'':

:*'''Silver''' - Belatedly released in ''Transformers'' as [[Autobot (G2)|Autobot]] in ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]''. Later [[Repurposing|repurposed]] as [[Vector Prime]] in the pages of [[Ask Vector Prime]] and as the Generation 1 incarnation of [[Azimuth (G1)|Azimuth]] in [[IDW Publishing]]'s comics.
:*'''Black''' - Not released in ''Transformers''. Inspired the [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] comic character [[Meantime (G1)|Meantime]].
:*'''Blue''' - Not released in ''Transformers''. Inspired the [[Ask Vector Prime]] character [[Ephemeris]].
:*'''Gold''' - Not released in ''Transformers''. Used to represent the [[Aligned continuity family|Aligned]] incarnation of [[Azimuth (COP)|Azimuth]] in the pages of [[Ask Vector Prime]].

* '''MC-07 Gun Robo Browning M1910'''
{{toydesigner|[[Takashi Matsuda]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:Browning came either in Silver with red robot parts, or Gold with blue robot parts, in addition to a gold chromed contest piece. The version released as the Japanese exclusive [[Browning]] sported the blue parts, but with the silver body, though his animation model used in Super-God Masterforce depicted him using the gold body with the blue parts.

* '''MC-08 Cassette Machine Battlebike HG90'''
{{toydesigner|[[Satoshi Koizumi]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:The Battlebike transforms from a full-sized audio cassette into a motorbike vehicle for the included ''Microman'' figure. A [[redeco]] of this toy was released in the [[1999]] ''Microman'' line.

* '''MC-09 Cassette Machine Jetheli XL120'''
{{toydesigner|[[Satoshi Koizumi]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:The Jetheli transforms from a full-sized audio cassette into a helicopter for the included ''Microman'' figure. A redeco of this toy was re-released in the 1999 ''Microman'' line.

* '''MC-10 Cassette Man'''
{{toydesigner|[[Hideaki Yoke]] and [[Satoshi Koizumi]] (TakaraTomy) with [[Shinji Aramaki]] (robot detailing)}}

:Pre-TF [[Soundwave (G1)/toys|Soundwave]] with "Cassette Man" molded on the cassette door. He came with fake earphones and microphone that were also included in Soundwave's Japanese release, and Pre-[[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]. Likewise, the Japanese Soundwave came with Rumble instead of [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]].

{{anchor|Magnum}}
[[File:MicroChangeGunRoboMagnum.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Megatron and this guy go [[Kiloton|way back]].]]
* '''MC-11 Gun Robo S&W Magnum 44'''
{{toydesigner|[[Takashi Matsuda]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:This figure had a revolving chamber, and came with either a brown or gold hilt. [[Ask Vector Prime]] would establish that this figure represents the [[Cymond]] analog of [[Kiloton]].

* '''MC-12 Gun Robo Walther P-38'''
{{toydesigner|[[Hideaki Yoke]] and [[Takashi Matsuda]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:Pre-Japanese [[Megatron (G1)/toys|Megatron]]. This toy did not include any gun attachments (and lacked the tooling to attach them anyway), but had a gun, sword, and plastic pellets which it could fire. It came with blue inner arms and legs, and was either black with a brown grip, or grey with a black grip in gun mode. The grey version was used for all vintage Japanese Megatrons (The Goodbye Megatron set came with the U.N.C.L.E. scope and attachment bracket).

* '''MC-13 Gun Robo Walther P-38 U.N.C.L.E.'''
{{toydesigner|[[Hideaki Yoke]] and [[Takashi Matsuda]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:This figure came with all of MC-12's parts, as well as several gun extensions, namely a scope, a silencer and a shoulder stock, which were inspired by a similarly modified version of the Walther P-38 as seen in the popular 1960s spy television series ''{{w|The Man from U.N.C.L.E.}}''.<ref>"U.N.C.L.E. Special" Carbine at CIA Museum, [http://web.archive.org/web/20100324191047/https://www.cia.gov/about-cia/cia-museum/spy-fi-archives/item08.html archived version]</ref> Only one color scheme, silver with black handle in gun mode with red inner arms and legs, was released. This color scheme was used for all Hasbro releases of the original [[Megatron (G1)/toys|Megatron]] and the Japanese reissues. The toy was also released by e-HOBBY as [[Megaplex]], using the MC-12 grey/blue deco, as well as a new "Black Megatron" deco in dark chrome, black plastic in place of grey, brown handle, and red inner sections.
{{-}}

===1984===
*'''Meteor Robo''' (MC-14 - MC-16)
{{toydesigner|[[Masaki Maruyama]] (TakaraTomy)}}
:* '''MC-14 Metal Man'''

::This figure transforms from a robot into a metallic ball. It came with two guns that could either be wielded in [[robot mode]] or attached to the sides in ball mode and a circular base upon which the ball mode could sit.

::Two versions were available, the more common silver chrome with black plastic accessories and robot parts or the considerably rarer bluish-silver chrome with red plastic accessories and robot parts. This mold (minus accessories) didn't see release in ''Transformers'' until ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)#Japan|Beast Wars]]'' [[Eggbot (BW)|Eggbot]] and [[Dark Eggbot]], where it was [[retool]]ed to include a keychain. This keychain retool was later (again without accessories) used for ''[[Transformers: Kiss Players (toyline)|Kiss Players]]'' [[Star Dust]].

:* '''MC-15 Metal Leo'''

::This figure transforms from a lion into a metallic ball. It came with two guns that could either be wielded in lion mode or attached to the sides in ball mode and a circular base upon which the ball mode could sit.

::Two versions were available, the more common gold chrome with black plastic accessories or the considerably rarer silver chrome with red plastic accessories. This mold (minus accessories) didn't see release in ''Transformers'' until ''Beast Wars'' [[Eggleo]] and [[Dark Eggleo]] where it was retooled to include a keychain. This keychain retool was later (again without accessories) used for ''Kiss Players'' [[Angela]].

:* '''MC-16 Metal Hawk'''

::This figure transforms from a hawk into a metallic ball. It came with two guns that could either be wielded in hawk mode or attached to the sides in ball mode and a circular base upon which the ball mode could sit.

::Two versions were available, the more common gold chrome with black plastic accessories or the considerably rarer silver chrome with red plastic accessories. This mold (minus accessories) didn't see release in ''Transformers'' until ''Beast Wars'' [[Eggbird]] and [[Dark Eggbird]] where it was retooled to include a keychain. This keychain retool was later (again without accessories) used for ''Kiss Players'' [[Zangetsu]].

{{anchor|LockRobo}}
*'''Lock Robo''' (MC-17 - MC-18)
{{toydesigner|[[Masaki Maruyama]] (TakaraTomy)}}
:* '''MC-17 Dialman'''

::This figure transforms from a working dial lock to a robot. The toy was never released in any ''Transformers'' line, but a version in a purple deco did make a [[Easter egg|cameo]] in the [[Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Dreamwave G1 comics]] as a [[Dialman|background generic]].

:* '''MC-18 Magneman'''

::This figure transforms from a working key lock to a robot.

[[File:MicroChangeScopeMan.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|]]
{{anchor|ScopeMan}}
* '''MC-19 Binocular Robo Scope Man'''
{{toydesigner|[[Hiroyuki Obara]] (TakaraTomy)}}

: This figure transforms from a pair of working binoculars into a robot. The toy was never released in any ''Transformers'' line, but a version in a yellow deco did make a [[Easter egg|cameo]] in the [[Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Dreamwave G1 comics]] as a [[Pulse|Pulse]].

* '''MC-20 Micro Scope'''
{{toydesigner|[[Hideaki Yoke]] (TakaraTomy), [[Shinji Aramaki]] (original concept)}}

: Released in a primarily black deco, MC-20 was recolored into [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]]. The third tank mode could be used as a vehicle for a ''Microman'' figure. The toy's ''Micro Change'' deco was used for the e-HOBBY exclusive [[Magnificus (G1)|Magnificus]] (and [[Perceptor (SG)|''Shattered Glass'' Perceptor]]).

* '''MC-21 Radi-Cassette Robo'''
{{toydesigner|[[Hideaki Yoke]] and [[Hiroyuki Obara]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:This figure came with an AM radio in the form of a fake Micro cassette, and an earphone. One could listen to the radio through the earphone, or put the radio in the main toy's cassette deck. After moving the switch above the left (non-functional) speaker "on" and pressing "play", a pair of batteries in the toy's right leg would amplify the signal from the cassette to the functional right speaker. A knob to the right of the tape door could change the station, and a volume knob and a plug for headphones were located on the toy's left leg. Due to the speaker plug, the transforming micro cassettes could not fit in the tape door. They could, however, fit in a compartment in the toy's back. The earphone plug could also fit in the small hole on the stock of the toys gun, and the speaker could fit in the large hole at the gun's center. The toy came in either blue or red. The red deco was used for [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]].
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===Unreleased===
* '''MC-22 Beam Robo'''
[[File:Hardcase Micro-Change Toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
:This figure transforms from a working flashlight into a robot. It would eventually be repurposed as a full-body physical basis of the Decepticon [[Hardcase]].
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==External links==
*[https://web.archive.org/web/20200123174642/http://www.microforever.com/1983microchange.htm Micro Change at Microman Forever.]
*[https://web.archive.org/web/20180116163727/http://1501bc.com/pretf/microman.html Microman at The Pre-Transformer Page.]
*[https://twitter.com/_necronomitron_/status/1436110567136129037?s=20 Thread] of the ''Micro Change'' ''[[TV Magazine]]'' manga, translated by Necronomitron on Twitter

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Japanese franchises]]
[[Category:Micro Change]]
[[Category:Microman]]
[[Category:Pre-Transformer franchises]]
[[Category:Other TakaraTomy properties]]

Category talk:Turncoats

2024-02-01T18:24:42Z

AutoTrooper2801:

Would Blitzwing and Octane qualify as Turncoats? They were kicked out of the Decepticons (briefly) and befriended or aided the Autobots but never became an Autobot-proper. Should they be included? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:13, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Good question, but I don't think so. Octane didn't really LEAVE the Decepticons, since Galvatron just went kinda nuts and kicked him out. And I don't think he really joined the Autobots so much as he befriended Sandstorm.

As for Blitzwing, he did openly state that he had no interest in joining the 'bots. And again, the only reason that he left the 'cons was because Galvatron threw him out.--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 22:21, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

*Cool. Now what about Red Alert? He went insane, teamed up with Starscream and tried to kill all the Autobots. Does temporary insanity qualify one as a Turncoat? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:34, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, what about Tarantulas? He left the Predacons on his own accord, but then technically, he was never a member.--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 22:36, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

*That is kinda tricky. What about Doubledealer? Or Punch/Counterpunch? Secret undercover agents don't count as turncoats, do they? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:38, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, double-agents should count. I would have added a category for Punch/COunterpunch, except I don't know if there's an article for him

*Red Alert is not a tunrcoat, he never became a Decepticon. Punch/Counterpunch is not a turncoat either, he's an Autobot who goes undercover. He never changes which side he is actually on. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:16, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I really don't think Ravage belongs in this category. Ravage was only using the Maximals, recall that he planned to leave "no witnesses," in other words, kill them all. And switching allegiance from the Tripedacus Council to Megatron is still internal Predacon doings.

I think this categoty should be restricted to characters who were members of one faction and actually defected to the opposition. Undercover agents shouldn't count, temporary alliances of convience shouldn't count. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:22, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

*Kay. I'll take out Doubledealer, then. Doubleclouder, whenever he gets an article, should still go here, though, since he genuinely switched sides from Decepticon to Autobot in both the anime and the manga.--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 00:45, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Whenever we get around to making pages for G2 Manta Ray and Leadfoot, they should go in here. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:40, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

What about Demolisher, Cyclonus (UT) and Tidal Wave? They joined up with the Bot's at the start of Energon, but took up arms with Megatron the minute he reappeared. Also, I think they were described as being "Former Decepticons" at the beginning of Energon.
: I'm not so sure about that. The reason they joined with th Autobots at the end of ''Armada'' was because that was Galvatron's last command. When Megatron came back, they simply followed his new commands. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:37, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:: Yeah. The factions kind of merged between ''Armada'' and ''Energon'', but once they seperated, it seems everyone went back to where they were. Demolishor might be a borderline case, I guess, but I wouldn't go for it. --[[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 01:45, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

What about people who joined a team or faction with the premeditated intent of betraying them like Cyclones in Wreckers and Megatron/Savage Noble? [[User:69.14.158.214|69.14.158.214]] 02:22, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
: Those aren't turncoats. Those are double agents. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:26, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
:: Furthermore, I don't think you're a turncoat if you join the other team because your team was dissembled because its leader died. Is this all the Dinoforce ever did to merit the "Turncoat" category? That shouldn't count. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:32, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

:::Dinoking was hurt and the Autobots repaired them so therefor they realized that Deathsaurus didn't think that highly of them so they defected and gave the Autobots specs on the Deathfortress so they could go blow it up.[[User:69.14.158.214|69.14.158.214]] 02:36, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Is Sentinel Prime a turncoat? He worked with the Decepticons but he doesn't join them or call himself a Decepticon. [[User:Pat|Pat]] ([[User talk:Pat|talk]]) 08:37, 12 February 2015 (EST)

Should Windsweeper be included? He was a former Autobot in "Of Masters and Mayhem" ([[User:AutoTrooper2801|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801|talk]]) 13:24, 1 February 2024 (EST))

Category talk:Turncoats

2024-02-01T18:24:32Z

AutoTrooper2801:

Seeker (body-type)

2023-12-13T15:38:25Z

AutoTrooper2801:

{{factions|decepticon}}
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{{disambig3|Seeker}}
[[File:Generic Seekers and Conehead.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Well, they keep the toy-repainting fans off the streets, at least. (Generic Seekers from, clockwise: (1) "More than Meets the Eye, Part 3", (2) sticker sheet, (3,5,6 and 7) "Five Faces of Darkness", (4 and 8) "More than Meets the Eye, Part 1".]]
The term '''Seeker''' refers to [[Decepticon]] jet troopers who share [[Starscream (disambiguation)|Starscream]]'s [[body-type]] but with different colors or minor variations in wing and head shapes. This is most clearly and commonly known from ''[[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]]'', but any franchise with a Starscream is almost [[To sell toys|inevitably]] going to feature a similar "family" of [[redeco]]ed jet-formers.

The word "Seeker" hovered a long time in a strange gray area between official and fan-coined terms. It seems to have originated in ''extremely'' obscure official or semi-official writing, but somehow became widely used among fans. ''(See [[#Origin of the term|below]].)'' In 2002, the term appeared in dialog from the first issue of ''[[Transformers: The War Within|The War Within]]'' from [[Dreamwave Productions]], [[Canonizing|making it truly official]] after years of controversy. It has subsequently appeared in many other places such as on toy packaging, books, and in other stories.

==Generation 1 Seekers==
===List of named Seekers===
{{collist|1|
Original Seekers
* [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (leader)
* [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]
* [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]]
Original [[Conehead]]
* [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]]
* [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]]
* [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]]
More Than Meets The Eye Seekers
* [[Bitstream (G1)|Bitstream]]
* [[Hotlink (G1)|Hotlink]]
* [[Nacelle (G1)|Nacelle]]
* [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]]
[[Rainmakers]]
* [[Acid Storm (G1)|Acid Storm]]
* [[Ion Storm]]
* [[Nova Storm (G1)|Nova Storm]]
Other Coneheads
* [[Blast (G1)|Blast]]
* [[Cloudcover]]
* [[Sandstorm (G2)|Sandstorm]]
Other Seekers
* [[Avia]]
* [[Blackout (G2)|Blackout]]
* [[Blazewake]]
* [[Red Wing]]
* [[Slipstream (G1)|Slipstream]]
* [[Wheezing Arrow]]
}}

[[Itami Prime]] uses the generic Seeker design, but his unique characterization as an [[Autobot]] [[Town Commander]] prevents his membership from being definitive.

===Originals===
[[File:MainSeekers.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|The original Seekers]]
In Generation 1, there were six Seekers originally given names and characterization: [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]], [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]], [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]], [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]], and [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]]. The first three, the season one Seekers, had animation designs done primarily by [[Shōhei Kohara]].
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===Coneheads===
[[File:ConeheadsGenerations1.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|"We must consume mass quantities... of energon."]]
The last three Generation 1 Seekers are usually designated as "[[Conehead]]" Seekers by fans for their distinctive transformation that leaves the jet nosecone pointing up. Unlike their progenitors, the Coneheads typically feature more individual parts between the three, helping to better differentiate them from each other. The animation models for the Conehead Seekers were designed by [[Floro Dery]].
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===And the rest...===
[[File:MTMTEGenerics-OilField.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Aw, not "[[When Continents Collide]]" again...]]
In the Generation 1 cartoon there were large numbers of [[generic]], unnamed Seekers in addition to the named characters. They came in a wide variety of colors, from extra duplicates of Starscream or one of the other named guys, to original and distinct looks all their own. They seem to have formed the bulk of the Decepticon forces on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], as well as among [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]]'s initial troops on [[Earth]]. They gradually became less common, perhaps as a result of casualties... or the cartoon's production team becoming more careful, or more-likely having more "actual" Decepticons to work with as the toy line expanded. (Extra [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] units and alternate color cassettes were also used along with these Seekers, early on, to fill out the comparatively thin Decepticon ranks.)

These unsung Seekers would be recognized years later in ''[[Heroes of Cybertron (toyline)|Heroes of Cybertron]]'' toy form as the [[Air Warrior]]s (all using the common lavender/white color scheme). Soon afterward, the [[Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Dreamwave ''Generation One'' comic series]] introduced an army of similarly colored Seeker drones.

[[File:AirWarriors MTMtE.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|You talking to me? Or him? Or the other one?]]
Around the same time, another background Seeker was also given a new life through toys and Dreamwave's [[Transformers: Generation 1 (Dreamwave)|''Generation One'' ongoing series]]: [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]]. This yellow-orange Seeker was a nameless background character in the first episode of the ''Transformers'' cartoon, until [[e-HOBBY]] turned him into an [[exclusive]] toy (available with an [[Autobot]] also based on a [[Hauler|first-episode cameo]]). Now [[Hasbro]] [[Sunstorm (disambiguation)|can't get enough of him]]. Another generic Seeker was given attention: [[Acid Storm (G1)|Acid Storm]]. Like Sunstorm before him, he was based on one of the background Seekers from the original cartoon, in this case the episode "Divide and Conquer" (see below). And in 2013 [[Fun Publications]] got in on the act by dubbing Sunstorm's partners [[Bitstream (G1)|Bitstream]] and [[Hotlink (G1)|Hotlink]] after two Seekers from Aligned continuity. Additionally in 2015, FunPub dubbed Acid Storm's partners [[Nova Storm (G1)|Nova Storm]] and [[Ion Storm]].
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Unnamed Seekers with their own distinct color schemes appear in the following episodes as noted below:

[[File:More than meets the eye seeker.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|More Than Meets The Eye Part 1 Seekers:
Hotlink, Bitstream, Sunstorm, and Nacelle.]]
*"[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]"
:In the "return to [[Great Dome|Iacon]]" scene on Cybertron, five to seven Seekers appear (wide shots depict a group of five, but the close-ups give us seven distinct color schemes.) The first three are (as far as colors are concerned) Skywarp, Starscream (with a deeper voice provided by [[Frank Welker]]), and Thundercracker. In a following shot, we see a lavender Seeker with a flamethrower pack who would years later be named Hotlink; a medium-blue Seeker with white trim, holding his arm gun like a rifle, who would eventually be named Bitstream; a yellow/orange Seeker, who would become Sunstorm... and lurking in the back, a very dark-blue Seeker with white trim barely visible, but there if you look, who is apparently [[Nacelle (G1)|Nacelle]].

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[[File:MmteSeekers2.gif|upright=1.1|thumb|Lots of generic Seekers from this one.]]
*"[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 2]]" and "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 3|Part 3]]"
:The mother lode of unnamed Seekers. Especially if you like variations of blue and lavender. Crowds of them appear at the start of the final battle. At least six different Seekers of various shades and decos of blue and at least four of various shades and decos of lavender (two with black tail fins in jet mode, two with white). Also, a blue variant (seen in the picture above) missing his wings and shoulder vents appears in "Part 3".
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[[File:DivideandCon.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Divide and Conquer Seekers: Acid Storm, Ion Storm, and Nova Storm.]]
*"[[Divide and Conquer]]"
:Avert your eyes! One deep blue, one eye-burning bright green, and one garishly bright yellow. This trio is often referred to by fans as "the [[Rainmaker]]s" because they started an [[acid rain]] shower to irritate a group of [[Autobot]]s. The green jet in this grouping was made into the ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Acid Storm (G1)|Acid Storm]] character, whose name was initially supposed to be "Rainmaker", then "Acid Rain". A few years later, the other two received the names [[Nova Storm (G1)|Nova Storm]] and [[Ion Storm]].
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[[File:UltimateDoom.gif|upright=1.1|thumb|Ultimate Doom Seekers]]
*"[[The Ultimate Doom, Part 3]]"
:Two blue variants and one really nice looking pine-green Seeker appear as part of Shockwave's forces trying to prevent the rescue of [[Sparkplug Witwicky|Sparkplug]] on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].
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*"[[Five Faces of Darkness]]"
:One all-gray Seeker, one with [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]]'s coloration, and one with [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]]'s. There's also an interesting Conehead variant. (All of which appear in the main image above.)
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[[File:NotDirge.gif|upright=1.1|thumb|Dark Awakening Seeker]]
*"[[The Transformers: The Movie]]" & "[[Dark Awakening (episode)|Dark Awakening]]"
:One season 1-style [[:File:DirgeseekerTFMovie.jpg|Seeker]] with Dirge's colors appears in jet mode in the attack on Autobot City in the movie, and next to the actual Dirge in the episode.
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*"[[Fight or Flee (episode)|Fight or Flee]]"
:During the flashback of the "Fourth Great War", an all-black Autobot jet similar to Ramjet's alt mode is briefly seen before exploding. Seconds later, an all-black Decepticon jet similar to Thrust's alt mode is seen. As it flies upwards, the wings appear to be white, though this seems to be an animation error.
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*Puffy stickers
:A sheet of Transformer puffy stickers featured a rare generic with a Starscream-based color scheme. He is pictured above as well.
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*''[[Transformers: Punch-Out Book]]''
:In addition to Starscream, Skywarp, and numerous identical copies of both of them, this construct-it-yourself battle scene features two distinct color schemes. Each features a solid grey body with solid color wings and tail wings: one red, one yellow.
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*''[[Project Brain Drain]]''
:While Ramjet, Thrust, and Dirge are named and Skywarp is identifiable, there are numerous unnamed Seekers including a second individual with Thrust-style wings.
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[[File:Returntocybertron-seeker.jpg|upright=0.9|thumb|Return to Cybertron Seeker.]]
*"[[Return to Cybertron]]"
:This relatively obscure [[Sticker Adventures]] tale gives us a brief glimpse of a Seeker with a Thundercracker/Skywarp mix; blue body, purple tailfins and wing stripes. You can't tell much more about him, given that he is A: partially obscured and B: exploding.
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[[File:PretenderClassicsBoxArt.jpg|upright=0.9|thumb|"Classic Pretender" Seekers.]]
*[[Classic Pretender]] [[Package art|box art]]
:The box art (also used for adverts in the Marvel UK comic) for this line of toys shows Starscream attacking his Autobot counterparts alongside three others sharing his [[body-type]]. All have a silver front half in jet mode, while one has green rear fins, one has red and one is in shadow.
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[[File:TFcommagdivebombvsjhi.jpg|upright=0.9|thumb]]
*''[[Transformers Comic-Magazin]]'' [[Transformers Comic-Magazin issue 18|#18]]
:The German comic, well known for its often wacky coloring, contained a Seeker with a [[Jhiaxus (G2)|suspiciously familiar]] color scheme.
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[[File:G2UKWarWithoutEndJetGuy.jpg|upright=1.0|thumb]]
*[[Transformers: Generation 2 (Fleetway)|''Transformers: Generation 2'' (Fleetway)]] [[War Without End (issue)|#1]]
:An unnamed Seeker with a light blue body with white face, light red helmet and thighs, and yellow cockpit canopy was hanging around when Megatron boarded the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]''.
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[[File:The Ultimate Guide Maccadam's Old Oil House scene.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb]]
*[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]
:An unnamed green Seeker can be seen to the left of frame, behind the [[Maccadam's bartenders|bartender]], in the image of [[Maccadam's Old Oil House]].
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===''Wings Universe''===
{{Wingsnote}}
[[File:WingsofHonor-Skyraiders.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3|New guys, same ol' body-type.]]
The term "Skyraiders" (see [[#Alternate terms|alternate terms]]) was assigned to the prototype Starscream-like air warriors that [[Skyquake (G1)|Skyquake]] developed at the very beginning of the war. The ranks of the Skyraiders did not seem to include any of the usual Seekers, but instead comprised other flying Decepticon characters. In addition to Skyquake himself, the Skyraiders were [[Leozack]], [[Hellbat (G1)|Hellbat]], [[Hooligan (G2)|Hooligan]], and [[Guyhawk]]. {{storylink|Wings of Honor}} Starscream himself was captain of [[Deathsaurus (G1)|Deathsaurus]]'s Skyraider-Seeker Brigade until he was promoted following [[Falcon (G1)|Falcon]]'s death. {{storylink|A Team Effort}}
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[[File:TheComingStorm4-LordDeathsaurus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.0|So useful a body type that even the waiters have it.]]
*"[[The Coming Storm: Part 4]]"

''Wings'' [[Lyzack (G1)|Lyzack]] was never referred to as a Skyraider, but she had a chassis nearly identical to that of her brother Leozack.
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[[File:BattleLines5-Megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=0.6|On the lower side of the picture to the left of Megatron.]]
*"[[Battle Lines, Part 5]]"

A generic mostly red-colored Skyraider was among the audience of Megatron's victory over Deathsaurus. {{storylink|Battle Lines, Part 5}}
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*[[Red Wing]]

:Red Wing was part of a joint [[Autobot]]/[[Decepticon]] assault on the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian]] clone army. In the ensuing battle, Red Wing was shot in the back by [[Skywarp (MW)|Skywarp]]. {{storylink|Termination}}
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===''Transformers/G.I. Joe''===
[[File:Seekers-Trial by Fire.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3]]
The Seekers were awakened on the [[Fera Islands]] in [[1939]] and were reformatted as [[World War II]]-era fighter planes. Alongside such familiar faces as [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] were also several unidentified Seekers. {{storylink|The Line}} {{storylink|Trial by Fire}} They joined up with [[Cobra]] with the rest of the Decepticons, while the Autobots allied themselves with [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]. {{storylink|Transformed}} {{storylink|Trial by Fire}} They held a strong animosity towards the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] in particular, and fought against the combining Autobots. {{storylink|Wolves}} All of the Seekers that awoke on Earth were defeated by the Autobots, though the Decepticons managed to score a few fatalities of their own, including [[Superion (G1)|Superion]]. {{storylink|Trenches}} {{storylink|The Iron Fist}}
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===2005 IDW continuity===
[[File:YourFirstMistake-ColdConstruction.jpg|thumb|left|250px|[[Army-building]]. Army-building never changes.]]
Seekers are elite officers in the Decepticon army, and are expected to fulfill a leadership role on the battlefield in commanding other Decepticon troops. Seekers are expected to show absolute loyalty to the Decepticon cause. {{storylink|Things Fall Apart, Part 3: "Seasons in Flight"|Seasons in Flight}} {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 12|All Hail Megatron #12}}

Though the "Seeker" body-type was a [[Reproduction#2005 IDW continuity|mass-produced]] form used by many jet-form Cybertronians, {{storylink|Your First Mistake}} the Seekers would later take on the body type to homage their commander, Starscream, at his own suggestion; {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 6|All Hail Megatron #6}} a suggestion which, Skywarp later believed, was intended to cause confusion over Starscream's own identity so he could hide from defrauded taxpayers. {{storylink|Starscream: The Movie (comic)|Starscream: The Movie}}

{{note|The human organization [[Skywatch]] referred to [[Ravage (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ravage]] and [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] as "Seekers" in [[Devastation issue 4|''Devastation'' #4]] while [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]] also referred to [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and [[Cyclonus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Cyclonus]] with the term in "[[Rebirth]]" and [[Heart of Darkness issue 2|''Heart of Darkness'' #2]]. Neither use has any connection to Starscream's corps.}}

===2019 IDW continuity===
During the [[War of the Threefold Spark]], [[Nominus Prime]] commissioned the production of an army of Seekers to match the [[Skywarp drone|Skywarp clone]] army under [[Exarchon]]. The Seekers hunted the clones down, turning the tide of the war. {{storylink|Escape Part Three}} These war-forged Seekers suffered lingering issues, and were considered a substantial security threat by Starscream. {{storylink|Wheeljack: Orbital Decay}}

When the Decepticons attacked [[Darkmount (Cybertron)|Darkmount]], Starscream led the Seekers into battle against [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] but they failed to stop him from escaping [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Fate of Cybertron|Fate of Cybertron}}

===''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' cartoon===
[[File:SiegeEpisode6-Rainmakers.jpg|thumb|300px|left|You'll see just one of each of us!]]
[[File:WFCSiegeEp2-Hotlink.jpg|thumb|300px|You'll see a ''lot'' of us.]]
{{voiceactor|[[Kaiser Johnson]] ([[Earthrise episode 1]], [[Earthrise episode 3]], English), [[Sean Wright]] ([[Earthrise episode 1]], English)}}
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===''My Little Pony/Transformers''===
When the [[magic]] of Queen [[Chrysalis]] interfered with a [[space bridge]] and brought several Cybertronians to [[Equestria]], {{storylink|Transformation Is Magic}} the Seekers sought to conquer the city of [[Manehattan]] only to be chased off by [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]], [[Rarity]] and their general lack of teamwork. {{storylink|Shine Like a Diamond}} They eventually rejoined the larger Decepticon force in attacking the [[Crystal Empire]] before the power of friendship and the [[Matrix of Leadership]] was used to return the Decepticons to Cybertron. {{storylink|Finale (Friendship in Disguise!)|Finale}}

Following the Decepticons' construction of a new space bridge, Starscream led the Seekers to the Equestrian city of [[Las Pegasus]] to claim magical artifacts only to run afoul of [[Twilight Sparkle]] and her friends once again. The Seekers fell back to Cybertron where a magical beam from Twilight struck one of the pilfered artifacts and unleashed [[King Sombra]] who proceeded to enthral several Decepticons. When the Autobots arrived to investigate the commotion, the ponies claimed that the Cybertronian race would have to unify to combat the [[unicorn]] tyrant. {{storylink|The Magic of Cybertron}}

The Seekers were, much to Starscream's ire, forced to ally with the [[Wonderbolt]]s. When the fliers came under attack from the brainwashed Cybertronians, Starscream first ordered an indiscriminate carpet bombing, only for the Wonderbolts to create an atmospheric disturbance that instead allowed the Seekers to fire immobilizing nets at their kin. While Starscream patted himself on the back, the rest of the Seekers praised [[Rainbow Dash]]'s quick thinking {{storylink|Stunt Flying}}

After [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] and Rarity had discovered how to free Sombra's thralls, the Seekers joined in the final attack to stop Sombra from possessing the corpse of [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]. After the [[Titan (group)|Titan]] had been destroyed, Megatron chased off Starscream, who had attempted regicide while freeing Megatron from Sombra's control, while the rest of the Seekers stood down as Megatron ordered hostilities ended. {{storylink|Finale (The Magic of Cybertron)|Finale}}
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==Unicron Trilogy Seekers==
[[File:Puppet i look like thundercracker.jpg|thumb|250px]]
According to one minor source in ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'', when any Transformer converts to a jet, he is called a "seeker".<ref>''[[Transformers Armada: The Awakening]]'' DK Readers book.</ref> But the closest specific characters to the Generation 1 Seekers are this universe's own [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]]/[[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]]/[[Skywarp (Armada)|Skywarp]] trio. All three even used the same toy mold in their first release, although Skywarp was heavily [[retool]]ed from the others (including getting an entirely new-mold [[Mini-Con]] partner). While new Decepticon-allied jet characters named [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] and [[Ramjet (Armada)|Ramjet]] were released in ''Armada'', they each had their own unique molds. However, whereas Ramjet was simply the Mini-Con partner of [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave]], Thrust was a [[Bulk]] who even had a VTOL engine in jet mode, a conehead and vertically oriented wings in robot mode. Although Thrust's original toy was green, one of his redecos looked much more like his G1 incarnation while the other redeco looked like an inverted version of G1 [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]]. It was also redecoed into ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Sunstorm (Universe)|Sunstorm]].

Though only Starscream appeared in the follow-up franchise, ''[[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'', several Seekers appeared in the final portion of the Unicron Trilogy, ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]''. Starscream was back in a form heavily inspired by ''[[Transformers: The War Within|The War Within]]'' Starscream design (itself based on the "tetrajet" (see below)), while Thundercracker received a completely different body. A Skywarp was also released as a redeco of Thundercracker.

Further, the ''[[Legends Class (2005)|Legends of Cybertron]]'' Starscream toy, a tiny, simplified version of his main toy, was redecoed three more times: [[Skywarp (Armada)|Skywarp]] as a giveaway at [[San Diego Comic-Con#2005|Comic Con 2005]], [[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]] as a giveaway at [[BotCon 2005]], and [[Sunstorm (Universe)|Sunstorm]] as part of the last wave of the LOC line at retail.

[[Ask Vector Prime]] would refer to [[Aurex]] Seekers, and [[Armada Volume 5|''Armada'' Volume 5]] labeled Starscream, Thundercracker, and Skywarp as "the Seeker family".

==Live-action film series Seekers==
{{Main|Seeker (Movie)}}
[[File:The Reign Of Starscream Seekers..jpg|thumb|250px|left]]
In the letters page for [[Transformers (Titan Magazine)|Titan's tie-in comic]], the movie versions of [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]], and [[Ramjet (Movie)|Ramjet]] were first referred to as Seekers—by Starscream himself, no less. [[Dreadwing (Movie)|Dreadwing]] was noticeably absent from Starscream's list, despite also being a jet and Thundercracker also being the name/body for a line of drones. This left it unclear what a Seeker ''is''. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 9|#9's Star Screams}}

Later, the term was clarified to mean a particular unit led by Starscream. {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream issue 2|The Reign of Starscream #2}}

{{note|Similarly to the IDW cases above, the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|second movie]] would use the term "[[Seeker (ROTF)|Seeker]]" to refer to an entirely unrelated group of Transformers!}}
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==Animated continuity==
{{Main|Starscream clone (Animated)}}
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==Aligned continuity family Seekers==
[[File:Armada-clonessurroundMegatron.jpg|250px|thumb]]
The Seekers were a pre-existing group long before the formation of the Decepticons. There is some indication that the Seekers are an elite group of the best of the best fliers, although what (if anything) distinguishes a Seeker from any other flying Transformer is open to question. They tend to mostly, though not always, share a common design.

In an effort to placate the eternally feuding cities of [[Vos (polity)|Vos]] and [[Tarn (polity)|Tarn]] each was given something of value. Vos thus became the home of the [[Air Commander|Cybertronian Air Command]] home base of the Seekers. [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]] was one of their leaders before the war, and [[Autobot High Council|High Councilor]] [[Contrail (WFC)|Contrail]] seems to have been another. The Seekers were employed in ancient times to guard the secret of [[Dark Energon]] hidden aboard [[Trypticon (WFC)|Trypticon Station]]. They kept this charge even when Starscream allied with the Decepticons, though for the most part they remained largely independent in the civil war.

[[Shockwave (WFC)|Shockwave]], apparently upset at being pulled away from the [[Crystal City]], maneuvered Vos and Tarn into destroying each other, wiping out most of the Air Commanders that formed the basis of Starscream's power and bolstering his own position as Second-in-command.

In the aftermath of this betrayal, many of the surviving Seekers from Vos joined the Autobots, becoming the [[Aerialbot (WFC)|Aerialbot]]s. [[Jetfire (WFC)|Jetfire]] was one notable Seeker who defected from the Decepticons to the Autobots, helping them exploit their own flight skills further.

As part of his power play with Starscream, Megatron sent gladiators to kill many of the Air Command's scientists to finally take control of Trypticon away from the Seekers. {{storylink|Transformers: Exodus|Exodus}}

The jet-based [[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicons]] (specifically the silver "Ace" types) used by the Decepticons in the present day have been recognized as Seekers by Starscream. {{storylink|Scattered}}

'''Known Seekers:'''
*[[Vehicon (Prime)|Ace Vehicons]]
*[[Bitstream (WFC)|Bitstream]]
*Contrail
*[[Dirge (WFC)|Dirge]]
*[[Dreadwing (Prime)|Dreadwing]]
*[[Hotlink (WFC)|Hotlink]]
*Jetfire
*[[Nacelle (WFC)|Nacelle]]
*[[Ramjet (WFC)|Ramjet]]
*[[Skyquake (Prime)|Skyquake]] (maybe?)
*[[Skywarp (WFC)|Skywarp]]
*[[Slipstream (WFC)|Slipstream]]
*Starscream
*[[Thrust (Prime)|Thrust]]
*[[Thundercracker (WFC)|Thundercracker]]

==Cyberverse continuity==
{{Main|Seeker (Cyberverse)}}
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The '''Seekers''' are elite jet [[Decepticon]]s under the command of [[Starscream (Cyberverse)|Starscream]] and unit captains such as [[Slipstream (Cyberverse)|Slipstream]] and [[Skywarp (Cyberverse)|Skywarp]].

==The term "Seeker"==
===Origin of the term===
The truly mysterious thing about the term "Seeker" is the fact that, despite it being widely used by fans as early as the 1990s, nobody knew where it actually ''came from'', as evidenced by confused conversations from that time on [[alt.toys.transformers]].<ref>[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_frm/thread/e885ffdf4355e933/13eeeeae7e2483b7?tvc=17 alt.toys.transformers thread from 1996 about the origin of "Seeker"]</ref> There were plenty of ''wrong'' answers; the strongest suggestion seemed to be that it came from the "[[Ferak|hunter-seeker skyship]]" used in [[The Smelting Pool!|issue #17]] of the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US comic]]—though the Decepticons it is applied to in that story are shown only in their flight modes, which look nothing like the jets in question, and are completely different from the Cybertronian forms of the Coneheads, who also appear in the issue. The only real connection between the hunter-seekers we were shown and the "Seekers" is that there's more than one of them and they fly.

During this time when the term was believed non-canon, fans flirted with other terms such as "Skyraider" ''(see [[#Alternate terms|below]])'', but in 2002 [[Simon Furman]] used "Seeker" in [[The War Within issue 1|a Dreamwave ''War Within'' script]], which sealed the deal of officiality and set the tone not just for the fandom, but for the ''Transformers'' fiction that came afterwards as well.

[[File:Seekers ad text.jpg|left|197px|thumb|No, you fool, we're following orders: We were told to scour the countryside, so we're scouring it.]]
Years later, the mystery was finally solved with the discovery of multiple department-store advertisements from the [[1984]] holiday season in which the word "Seeker" appeared. The J.C. Penney catalog (sometimes called a "wishbook") featured a page dedicated to ''[[Transformers brand|Transformers]]'' that included this statement in its description of Starscream: "Airplane with sensational F-15 styling scours the countryside searching for Autobots. When they're found, the Seekers set out to destroy them." It also said [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] "sends out messages to the Seekers and other Decepticons".<ref>J.C. Penney 1984 wishbook [[:File:Seekers ad.jpg|(full-page scan)]]</ref> J.C. Penney and (now-defunct) chains Zayre and Dahlkemper's put out ads in November 1984 listing Starscream and either Thundercracker or Skywarp as "Decepticon Seeker". In addition, one of the earliest known ads for Transformers toys '''period''' is a Zayre circular from April 1984 that uses the term.<ref name="savead">1984 "Seeker" ads [https://pleasesavemerobots.blogspot.com/2012/09/ (scans at Roboplastic Apocalypse)]</ref> The term even appears as late as 1985, in a toy-ordering catalog for (now-defunct) Western Auto, a specialty retail chain for automobile parts and accessories, which lists all the standard Transformers releases from the 1984 line-up, among them the "Decepticon (Seekers) Plane assortment", with Starscream, Thundercracker and Skywarp depicted.<ref name="westernauto">[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-general-discussion/1061758-seekers-term.html] Western Auto toy ordering guide] at TFW2005.</ref>

Presumably, then, the term "Seeker" was likely handed down by [[Hasbro]] in promotional materials, and those retailers happened to run with it. It's impossible to know with absolute certainty, but the most curious aspect of the whole story is that members of the online ''Transformers'' fan community were widely and independently using the term largely without question since the early 1990s, when the [[fandom]] was just getting on its feet, not dissimilar to the way the term "Generation 1" was coined. Were those obscure toy ads truly widely seen enough, and a strong enough part of the fandom's collective memory, to determine common parlance almost ten years after the fact? Or were there more official usages that have since disappeared? ''That'' is a mystery we may never solve!

===Alternate terms===
[[File:G1catalog86-DecepticonPlanes.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|I don't know what to call you, [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], but I know "plane" isn't it.]]
The most obvious alternate name for these Transformers—and the one generally used by toy [[Pack-in material|pack-in]] [[catalog]]s—is '''[[Decepticon Planes]]'''. While usually clear enough from context, this term has the weakness that there are many Decepticon planes who do not share this body-type. Also, the term is rarely, if ever, used outside of toy-specific contexts. The first [[United Kingdom|UK]] toy pack-in catalog referred to the group as '''strike planes'''.<ref name="ukcat">First UK toy catalog [http://www.transformertoys.co.uk/img/toysheets/g1/uksheet01/1.jpg (scan at Transformers @ The Moon)]</ref> The 1985 European [[Milton Bradley]] catalog calls them "'''Decepticon Aeroplanes'''".<ref name="mb">[http://www.tf-1.com/articles/eurous_frame.php?art=mb "Milton Bradley Transformers"] at TF-1.com.</ref> In Japan, they were called '''Jetrons'''. The ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' versions were called "'''Decepticon Jets'''".

Within the fiction, the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|cartoon]] episode "[[Atlantis, Arise!]]" features [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] calling Thundercracker a '''Deceptijet'''. And the 1985 Listen 'n Fun audio book "[[Sun Raid (Listen 'n Fun)|Sun Raid]]" has Megatron ordering the '''Deceptiplanes''' (Starscream, Skywarp, and Thundercracker) to break off an attack. The audio book "[[Jaws of Terror]]" referred to them as '''Decepticon superjets'''. The multipath adventure book "[[Dinobots Strike Back]]" has Megatron order his '''warrior jets''' to attack the Autobots, just before a "good" ending which they fail to prevent.

[[File:Tetrajet seekers.jpg|thumb|Did you ever wonder why we had to run for shelter...]]
For a long time, it has been common among fans to refer to the Seekers' cartoon Cybertronian forms (from the episode "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]" among others) as '''tetrajets''' because their shape resembles a {{w|tetrahedron}}, a pyramid with a triangular base.

If there was ever an official term that could've given "Seeker" a run for its money, it was the one used on the [[Europe]]an ''Generation 2'' packaging of Starscream and Ramjet: '''Skyraiders'''.<ref>Starscream and Ramjet's European ''Generation 2'' packaging [http://www.cobraislandtoys.com/tf/1992/starscreamg2boxfront.jpg (photo at Cobra Island Toys)]</ref> That term also appeared in those characters' profiles in the [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Fleetway)|UK ''Generation 2'' comic]]. When the modern fandom dug this information up, "Seeker" was still considered a fan-generated term, so there was a push to supplant it with "Skyraider". But Furman's use of "Seeker" in ''[[Transformers: The War Within|The War Within]]'', coupled with the rediscovery of the department store advertisements, put a damper on that movement. Some years later, the term "Skyraider" was officially resurrected to describe the jet warriors in the [[BotCon 2009]] set "[[Wings of Honor]]" (based on the [[Starscream (Armada)#Energon|''Energon'' Starscream mold]]). [[Skyquake (G1)|Skyquake]] was indicated as the body-type's developer in-universe.

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==Games==
===''Transformers: Mystery of Convoy''===
[[File:Jetron MoCsprites.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
*''Stages'': 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 9
*''Point value'': 100 (jet mode) / 300 (robot mode, red jet mode) / 5000 (red robot mode)

Making up the overwhelming bulk of the Decepticon forces, "Jetron" soldiers appear in vast numbers, swooping in from high altitude in jet mode to try and crash into the Autobots. If shot, they pause in midair to transform to robot mode, dropping to the ground and continuing their assault on foot. In robot mode, they are ''just'' a bit too short to be shot with robot-mode weaponry when on the same level as robot-mode Autobots, so hitting them in midair as they fall is the best bet to destroy them... or just use the momentary pause while they transform to slip by them, which is usually safer.

Jetrons flying in a straight line are destroyed with just one hit; rather than converting to robot mode, they leave behind an upgrade the Autobots can use to temporarily augment their abilities.

Special red Jetrons occasionally appear, flying in a straight line: when shot, they transform to robot mode but then try to fly away in the opposite direction at top speed. Destroying them releases [[Bumblebee (G1)#Transformers: Mystery of Convoy|Bumblebee]], who escorts Autobots ahead a few zones, bypassing many hazards. These Jetrons only appear in the [[Temple Ruins]] and [[Glacier Zone]], though they won't appear in the latter if they are destroyed in the former. {{storylink|Transformers: Mystery of Convoy}}

{{note|Non-red Jetrons use the same robot-mode sprite as the [[Blitzwing (G1)#Transformers: Mystery of Convoy|Blitzwing clones]]. The [[Transformers: Mystery of Convoy (promo video)|''Mystery of Convoy'' promo video]] claims that named individual Seekers show up in the various levels, but... yyyyyyeah, it's all a buncha identical jets in vaguely-Starscreamy colors.}}

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===''The Transformers: Battle to Save the Earth''===
In this iteration of the Autobot/Decepticon conflict, it seems all the Decepticon possess the Seeker body-type. There are also innumerable amounts of them. {{storylink|The Transformers: Battle to Save the Earth}}

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===''Transformers: Cybertron Adventures''===
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{{storylink|Transformers: Cybertron Adventures}}

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===''Transformers: Devastation''===
[[File:ConeheadSeekerConcept.jpg|thumb]]Besides Starscream, Thundercracker, and Skywarp, generic [[Conehead|conehead-style]] Seekers were encountered by the Autobots during Megatron's plan to cyberform the Earth. There were three types encountered: Warriors (standard), Heavy Weapons (use missiles), and Elites (use swords).
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===''Transformers Roleplaying Game''===
A combined reconnaissance and attack wing, the Seekers were drawn from the fastest fliers in the Decepticon army and led by the treacherous [[Air Commander]] [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]. The Seekers frequented a lunar base built on the dark side of Earth's [[Moon (moon)|Moon]]; following Unicron's destruction and the rise of the [[Sweep (G1)|Sweep]]s within the Decepticon ranks, the two sides largely avoided one another. {{storylink|Decepticon Directive}}

==Toys==
{{note|Because of the bodytype-sharing nature of the Seekers, this section includes only molds that have been decorated as two or more Seeker characters, omitting a large number of molds unique to a single character.}}
===''The Transformers''===
{{anchor|Generation 1}}
[[File:G1catalog84-DecepticonPlanes-Redeco.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|The original Seekers.]]
*'''[[Decepticon Planes]]''' ([[1984]])
{{collist|3|
:*[[Skywarp (G1)/toys|Skywarp]]
:*[[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]]
:*[[Thundercracker (G1)/toys|Thundercracker]]
}}

*'''Decepticon Planes''' ([[1985]])
{{collist|3|
:*[[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]]
:*[[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]]
:*[[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]]
}}

:The original Seeker mold was the [[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes#F-15 Eagle|F-15]] ''[[Diaclone]]'' design, noted for its detailed jet mode, extremely limited robot-mode articulation, and the need to remove/add many parts during transformation.

:The mold was initially decorated as Starscream, Skywarp, and Thundercracker. In 1985, Ramjet, Dirge, and Thrust were created out of this mold, each with unique new wing toolings and color schemes. Redecorated [[retool]]s of the mold also appeared in ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' as Starscream and Ramjet, featuring new accessory [[soundbox]]es.

:This mold subsequently has been extensively reissued and redecorated; see [[Starscream (G1)/toys]] for a ridiculously long list of examples. The reissues have included the original six characters as well as the retro-Generation-1 character [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]].

*'''[[Action Master]]s''' ([[1990]])
[[File:G1toy-ActionMaster-Thundercracker.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Action Master Thundercracker]]
:This non-transforming action figure mold was sold as Starscream, and later redecorated as Thundercracker for the European market.
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===''Machine Wars''===
[[File:MW-toy Skywarp.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|''Machine Wars'' Skywarp]]
*'''Basic''' ([[1997]])
:A small [[flipchanger]] mold, originally intended for ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'', was issued as Thundercracker and Skywarp.
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===''Armada''===
[[File:Armada SS toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|''Armada'' Starscream]]
*'''Max-Con''' ([[2002]])

:An all-new mold sold at the $20 price point was originally issued as ''Armada'' [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]], redecorated as ''Armada'' [[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]], and retooled as ''Armada'' [[Skywarp (Armada)|Skywarp]]. The retooled version was later issued as the new character [[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]] in the 2003 ''Universe'' toyline.

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[[File:PL_Brown_Thrust.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb| ''Armada'' Powerlinx Thrust...who is also Dirge]]
*'''Super-Con'''/'''Deluxe''' (2003)

:This mold was released as three different decoes of [[Thrust (Armada)|''Armada'' Thrust]] and as [[Sunstorm (Universe)|''Universe'' Sunstorm]]. One deco of Thrust was repurposed as [[Dirge (Armada)|Dirge]]. This mold is also the basis of the non-toy ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' characters [[Lidar]] and [[Sitrep]].
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===''Smallest Transforming Transformers''===
[[File:STFThrust toy.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|''Smallest Transforming Transformers'' Thrust]]
:The ''Smallest'' line, issued in Japan in [[2003]], featured a reduced-scale version of the original Generation 1 Seeker mold.

:It was issued as Starscream, Skywarp, and Thundercracker, and retooled as Thrust.
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===''Robotmasters''===
[[File:Robot Masters black starscream.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''Robot Masters'' Starscream Limited Black Version]]
:A new Seeker mold was created for Japan's ''[[Robotmasters (franchise)|Robotmasters]]'' subline. It is based on the original toy, but redesigned at a smaller size and with enhanced articulation.

:It was issued as Starscream (regular and black versions), Skywarp, and Thundercracker.
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===''Energon''===
[[File:Timelinestoy-LeozackWoH.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|''Timelines'' Leozack]]
*(Deluxe, [[2004]])
:An all new mold transforming into a jet loosely based on an F22 raptor, this figure was initially released and then redecoed as [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]], and was later redecoed into ''[[Transformers Timelines (franchise)|Timelines]]'' [[Leozack]] and [[Skyquake (G1)|Skyquake]] for their [[BotCon 2009]] "[[Wings of Honor]]" "Skyraider" bodies.
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===''Titanium''===
[[File:Titanium-toy Thrust.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|''Titanium'' Thrust]]
:A new Seeker mold created for the ''[[Titanium Series]]'' subline features a Cybertronian-based alternate mode, derived from the characters' appearance in ''[[Transformers: The War Within|The War Within]]'' (itself loosely based on the original pyramid jets seen in "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]".) This mold has been issued as Thundercracker, Starscream, Skywarp (a convention exclusive), Sunstorm, and Thrust (a Target Exclusive).
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===''Cybertron''===
[[File:Cybertron-toy_LegendsSunstorm.JPG|thumb|upright=1.67|''Legends of Cybertron'' Sunstorm]]
*'''Legends of Cybertron''' ([[2006]])
:A tiny version of the Voyager mold, issued as ''Armada'' Starscream, and redecorated as ''Universe'' [[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]], ''Armada'' [[Skywarp (Armada)#LOC|Skywarp]], and [[Sunstorm (Universe)|Sunstorm]], and Generation 1 [[Ramjet (G1)#Universe (2008)|Ramjet]] and [[Thrust (G1)#Universe (2008)|Thrust]].
:A small version of the Deluxe mold was available as [[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]] and was redecoed as [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Starscream]] for the ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' toyline.
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*'''Deluxe''' (2006)
[[File:CybertronSkywarp toy.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|''Cybertron'' Skywarp]]
:Though Thundercracker wasn't the same mold as Starscream in this series, his deluxe toy was redecoed as Skywarp. It was later redecoed into the non-Seeker character [[Divebomb (Movie)|Divebomb]].
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*'''Voyager''' (2006)
[[File:Universe 2008 Dirge toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''Universe'' Dirge]]
:This mold, based on G1 Starscream's ''[[Transformers: The War Within|The War Within]]'' appearance, was issued as ''Armada'' Starscream, and later redecorated as Generation 1 Dirge.
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===''Classics''===
[[File:Timelinestoy-Nacelle.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''Timelines'' Nacelle]]
*'''Deluxe''' (2006)
:An all-new mold at the $10 price point, the ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' Seeker design retains the F-15 alternate mode, but with a new [[Transformation|transformation scheme]] and modern articulation.

:Like the original, this mold has been redecorated and retooled numerous times. In addition to the original six Seekers, it has also been issued as [[Acid Storm (G1)|Acid Storm]], [[Bitstream (G1)|Bitstream]], [[Hotlink (G1)|Hotlink]], [[Nacelle (G1)|Nacelle]], and [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]]. In addition to its original release in ''Classics'', the various uses of this mold have occurred in the ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei!]]'', ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'', ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'', ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'', ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|Shattered Glass]]'', and ''[[Transformers United|United]]'' toylines. Versions of this mold have been mass retail releases, store exclusives, specialty exclusives, convention exclusives, and fan club exclusives.

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===''Masterpiece''===
[[File:TRU Masterpiece Acid Storm.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|''Masterpiece'' Acid Storm]]
:A larger-scaled, highly complex mold. Issued as Starscream in 2005, with later retools as Skywarp, Thundercracker, and most recently Ghost Starscream, with transparent parts. The mold was heavily retooled in 2012 for another release as Starscream along with redecoes as Sunstorm, Acid Storm, Thundercracker, and Skywarp. It was even more extensively retooled and redecoed in 2016 as Ramjet, Thrust, and Dirge.

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[[File:TF-Masterpiece-MP-52-Thundercracker.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''Masterpiece'' Thundercracker Ver. 2.0]]
*'''Ver. 2.0'''
:A second ''Masterpiece'' Seeker mold was released in 2021, opting for cartoon accuracy as opposed to the original release's more stylized appearance. So far, [[Starscream (G1)/toys#MP52|Starscream]], [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#MP52|Thundercracker]], and [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#MP52|Skywarp]]'s figures have been revealed for the new mold.
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===''Transformers'' (2007)===
[[File:Movie Legends Starscream.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|''Transformers'' (2007) Legends-class Starscream]]
*'''Legends'''
:This Legends-class mold is a highly simplified, low-cost version of Starscream in his F-22 Raptor body. As such, he has a greatly compromised transformation sequence due to the smaller parts count, with limited articulation and detailing. In addition to numerous redecoes sold as Starscream, it was also used to make ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]].
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[[File:Skywarp ROTF Voyager toy.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|''Revenge of the Fallen'' Skywarp]]
*'''Voyager'''
:The mold used for the [[Size class|Voyager]] class [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] figure was retooled and redecoed into [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]] (as well as a G1 recolor of Starscream.) For the ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' line of toys, the original mold and the retool were recolored again as [[Ramjet (Movie)|Ramjet]] and [[Skywarp (Movie)|Skywarp]] respectively.
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[[File:Movie FAB Ramjet.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|''Transformers'' (2007) Fast Action Battler Ramjet]]
*'''Fast Action Battler'''
:The [[Fast Action Battlers]] version of Starscream was recolored into Ramjet in 2007.
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===''Animated''===
[[File:Ani-toy Starscream CloneBlack.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|''Animated'' Legends-class Starscream Clone Black Version]]
*'''Legends'''
:The tiny [[Legends Class (2005)|Legends Class]] [[Starscream (Animated)#Legends Class|Starscream]] mold was recolored into clear versions of his (male) clones:
:* [[Ramjet (Animated)#Toys|Ramjet Clear White Version]]
:* [[Skywarp (Animated)#ClearEZCollection|Skywarp Clear Purple Version]]
:* [[Sunstorm (Animated)#ClearEZCollection|Sunstorm Clear Orange Version]]
:* [[Thundercracker (Animated)#ClearEZCollection|Thundercracker Clear Blue Version]]
:* [[Starscream Clone Black Version]]
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[[File:Ani-toy Sunstorm VoyH.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|''Animated'' Sunstorm]]
*'''Voyager'''
:The Voyager class [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] from [[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Animated]] was recolored into a few of his [[Starscream clone (Animated)|clones]]:
:*[[Skywarp (Animated)#Toys|Skywarp]]
:*[[Sunstorm (Animated)#Fantastic toys|Sunstorm]]
:*[[Thundercracker (Animated)#Voyager|Thundercracker]] (unreleased)
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[[File:Ani-toy Dirge.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|''Animated'' Activators Dirge]]
*'''Activators'''
:Starscream's [[Activators]] mold, a smaller, auto-transforming design based on the larger toy, was (eventually) redecoed into ''most'' of his clones:
:* [[Dirge (Animated)#Toys|Dirge]]
:* [[Ramjet (Animated)#Activator|Ramjet]]
:* [[Skywarp (Animated)#Activator|Skywarp]]
:* [[Thundercracker (Animated)#Toys|Thundercracker]]
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===''Transformers'' (2010)===
[[File:Chronicletoy ez thundercracker.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|''Chronicle'' Thundercracker]]
*'''Legends'''
:[[Legends Class (2005)|Legends Class]] Starscream is a new sculpt based on his Generation 1 jet appearance with many fuselage details borrowed from the [[#Masterpiece|Masterpiece version]]. This sculpt was also used to make ''[[Transformers Chronicle (toyline)|Chronicle]]'' [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Chronicle|Thundercracker]], Starscream, and [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Chronicle|Skywarp]].
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===''Alternity''===
[[File:Alternity starscream.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|''Alternity'' Starscream]]
:Rather than a jet, this mold transforms into a licensed 1:32 scale {{w|Mitsuoka Orochi}} and features [[die-cast]] metal parts and rubber tires, as well as an opening hood, trunk and doors. It was used to make [[Starscream (G1)/toys|the]] [[Skywarp (G1)|usual]] [[Thundercracker (G1)|three]] (as well as non-Seeker [[Banzai-Tron (G1)|Banzai-Tron]]). In the ''Alternity'' storyline, these three are known as [[Questor]]s. Y'know, ''quest'' like ''seek''.
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===''Dark of the Moon''===
[[File:DOTM MechTech Deluxe Skywarp.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|''Dark of the Moon'' Skywarp]]
*'''Deluxe''' ([[2011]])
:This all-new sculpt transforms into a surprisingly accurate F-22 Raptor while hiding the robot mode parts much better than previous molds. It was first released as Starscream and later redecoed into [[Thundercracker (Movie)#Dark of the Moon|Thundercracker]] and [[Skywarp (Movie)#Dark of the Moon|Skywarp]].
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===''Generations''===
[[File:Generationstoy-Thrilling30Thundercracker.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|''Generations Thrilling 30'' Thundercracker]]
*'''Deluxe''' ([[2012]])
:This mold is based on the Seekers' appearance in [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (games)|''War For Cybertron'']] and [[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|''Fall of Cybertron'']]. Transforming into a jet loosely resembling previous "Tetrajets," it was issued as [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]], [[Thundercracker (WFC)|Thundercracker]], and [[Skywarp (WFC)|Skywarp]]. The molds simultaneously represent both [[Aligned continuity family|Aligned]] incarnations of the characters as well as their IDW counterparts' appearances in the [[2005 IDW continuity]].

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[[File:Gen-toy AcidStorm.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''Generations'' Acid Storm]]
*'''Legends''' ([[2013]])
:This mold is based on based on Guido Guidi's Seeker design from IDW's [[The Transformers (IDW)|original ongoing series]] and transforms into a hybrid F15/F22. The mold was originally released as Starscream, and was redecoed into Acid Storm, Thundercracker, and Skywarp.

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[[File:Generationstoy-TakaraTomy-ArmadaStarscream.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''Generations'' Starscream (Japanese-version)]]
*'''Deluxe''' ([[2014]])
:Armada Starscream, as the name of the figure implies, is an updated representation of [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] in ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' body. Like the ''Fall of Cybertron'' Starscream figure, it also represents Starscream in the 2005 IDW continuity, even including a comic book in which he takes this form. It has been retooled into [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]], who resembled the Seekers throughout his appearances in the [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|Generation 2 comics]]. The mold was also retooled into [[Skywarp (Armada)|Skywarp]] and [[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]]. It was also redecoed in colors representing Starscream's Powerlinx form in the cartoon and Takara toyline; this deco was later [[repurposing|repurposed]] as [[Thundercracker (Armada)|''Armada'' Thundercracker]].
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===''Prime: First Edition''===
[[File:Timelinestoy-SlipstreamPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|''Timelines'' Slipstream]]
*'''Deluxe''' (2011)
:The first toy to represent [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]] as he appears in [[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|''Transformers: Prime'']], this mold would later be redecoed and retooled into [[Skywarp (WFC)|Skywarp]] and [[Thundercracker (WFC)|Thundercracker]] in TakaraTomy's ''Prime'' line, as well as ''Timelines'' [[Slipstream (WFC)|Slipstream]].
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===''Robots in Disguise''===
[[File:RID2015_Warrior_Skywarp.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|''Robots in Disguise'' Warrior-class Skywarp]]
*'''Warrior'''
:This new sculpt incorporates influences from both [[Starscream (Animated)|''Animated'' Starscream]] and [[Starscream (G1)|''Generation 1'' Starscream]], specifically the latter's appearance during the coronation scene in [[The Transformers: The Movie|the G1 movie]]. Aside from differing Hasbro and Takara decos, it was also redecoed as [[Skywarp (WFC)|Skywarp]].
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===''Combiner Wars''===
[[File:Generations Leader TC.jpg|thumb|upright=1.8|''Generations'' Leader-class Thundercracker]]
*'''Leader''' ([[2015]])
:A heavy retool of ''Generations'' [[Jetfire (G1)/toys#Generations|Jetfire]], this figure is sculpted to resemble the same design by Guido Guidi as the ''Generations'' Legends-class Seeker mold. Unusually, the retooled version of the mold was initially released as Thundercracker before being later redecoed as Starscream and Skywarp.
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===''War for Cybertron: Siege''===
[[File:TF-Generations-WFC-S-Rainmaker-3-pack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|''Siege'' [[Rainmaker]] three pack]]
*'''Voyager'''
:''[[War for Cybertron: Siege|Siege]]'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Starscream]] transforms from a heavily G1-inspired robot to a Cybertronian 'tetrajet' based on the Seekers' appearance in "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]" and back; although the jet mode has the robot legs sticking out from the undercarriage. Naturally, the ''Siege'' Starscream mold has been redecoed into the remaining members of the 1984 Seekers, as well as some previously unreleased characters.
{{WFCSiegeStarscreamMold}}
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===''War for Cybertron: Earthrise''===
[[File:TF-Generations-Selects-Voyager-G2-Sandstorm.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|''Generations Selects'' [[Sandstorm (G2)#Generations|Decepticon Sandstorm]]]]
*'''Voyager'''
:The ''[[War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Earthrise]]'' Seeker mold is essentially an upscaled version of the ''Classics'' Starscream figure; taking inspiration from the 2006 mold's transformation scheme while adding some new points of articulation. Returning to the roots of the original toy, the ''Earthrise'' Seeker mold transforms into an F-15 jet and comes with a pair of null-ray accessories. Due to the figure's hollow waist and the nature of its conversion, the ''Earthrise'' Seeker mold's planned waist articulation was scrapped. This sculpt was extensively retooled and redecoed multiple times to recreate the [[Conehead]]s' distinctive head piece and their individual wing toolings.
{{WFCEarthriseStarscreamMold}}
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===''Studio Series''===
[[File:TF-SS-89-Voyager-Bumblebee-Thundercracker.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|''Studio Series'' [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]] (''Bumblebee'' mold)]]
*'''Voyager'''
:The ''[[Studio Series]]'' Seeker mold is based on the Generation 1-inspired design in ''[[Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee]]'', transforming from robot to Cybertronian tetrajet in 31 steps, and looks very similar to the unrelated [[Blitzwing (BB)#Generations|Blitzwing]] figure from the same toyline. Each figure comes with a cannon, two Null-Ray blasters evocative of the Generation 1 Seeker design, and a cardboard backdrop display depicting a war-torn Cybertron as it appears at the beginning of the film.

:Besides [[Starscream (Movie)/toys#SS72|Starscream]], this mold has been used to make [[Thrust (Movie)#Studio Series|Thrust]] and [[Thundercracker (Movie)#SS89|Thundercracker]]. Each redeco of this mold can even be repurposed into any of the [[generic]] Seekers featured in the film.

===''War for Cybertron: Kingdom''===
[[File:TF-Legacy-Core-Class-Skywarp.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|''Legacy'' [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Legacy|Skywarp]]]]
*'''Core'''
:''[[War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Kingdom]]'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Starscream]] is a roughly Legends-sized mold highly reminiscent of its larger ''Earthrise'' counterpart. The accessories packed in with the Core Class Seekers varies with release; as of writing Starscream and ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]]'' [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Legacy|Thundercracker]] come with the traditional Null-Ray accessories, while ''Legacy'' [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Legacy|Skywarp]] comes with a tuning fork-like weapon.

{{Groupstub|Cyberverse (2018), Kreons, Construct-Bots, Bot Shots, etc. All the side-line toys/merchandise stuff}}

==Merchandise==
[[File:HOC AirWarrior.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb]]

===''Super Collection Figure''===
:A small, PVC plastic figure based on the Seekers' animation model design. It was imported from Takara in the 2002 ''Heroes of Cybertron'' line.

:It was issued as Starscream, Thundercracker, Skywarp, Sunstorm, and as a six-pack of the three original seekers and three generic light purple [[Air Warrior]]s. It was retooled and redecorated as Ramjet, Thrust, and Dirge.
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===''Titanium Series''===
[[File:Titanium-toy RMThundercracker.JPG|upright=0.85|thumb|''Titanium'' Thundercracker]]
:A small, non-transforming die-cast metal figurine, based upon the Generation 1 cartoon appearance of the Seekers was available decoed as either Starscream or Thundercracker.
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===''MyClone''===
[[File:MyCloneRamjet.jpg|thumb|upright=0.7|''Myclone'' Ramjet]]
:A super-adorable figurine mold of Starscream was issued for this line, and redecorated as the [[chase figure]] Thundercracker. A Coneheads mold was also available, issued as Ramjet and chase figure Dirge, and retooled as Thrust.
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===Palisades===
[[File:PalisadesGhostStarscream.jpg|thumb|Ghost of Starscream statue]]
:Issued in 2005, this six-inch-tall polystone statue with articulated head and arms was sculpted by [[3L Creation Group]] from a design by [[George Tremarco]]. It was later redecoed as Skywarp, Sunstorm, Thundercracker, and the Ghost of Starscream.
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===''Robot Heroes''===
[[File:Robot Hero Skywarp.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85|''Robot Heroes'' Skywarp]]
:Another super-adorable figurine of Starscream, this time launching himself into the air. Redecorated as Skywarp and Thundercracker. A Thrust mold from the same line has yet to be redecorated.
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===''3D Battle-Card Game''===
[[File:3DBattleCard Ramjet.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|''3D Battle-Card Game'' Ramjet]]
:This release is a 38-point "Uncommon" piece from the [[3D Battle-Card Game]] composed of punch-out parts from two different cards that can be reconfigured to make a robot or a fighter jet. The parts layout was used to produce Movie versions of [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] and [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]] (as well as non-Seeker characters [[Dreadwing (Movie)|Dreadwing]] and [[Jetfire (Movie)|Jetfire]]) in the initial release and Generation 1 [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]], and [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] in the "Energon Wars" expansion set.
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==Notes==
[[File:BC05InfiltrationCoverSeekette.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|VOGUE!]]
*In the 1990s, Hasbro had more character plans for the ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Generation 2|Starscream]] and [[Ramjet (G1)/toys#Generation 2|Ramjet]] molds that fell through:
**A labeled piece of unused ''Generation 2'' packaging art published in [[2011]]'s ''[[Transformers Vault]]'' gave the name [[Sandstorm (G2)|Sandstorm]] to an unreleased desert camo variant on the Ramjet toy (previously seen in toy mock-up form on eBay).
**A mostly black and grey mock-up of ''Generation 2'' Starscream was also seen from the same source as the Sandstorm mock-up. In [[2020]], it became known that this mock-up was intended to be named [[Blackout (G2)|Blackout]].
**Another mock-up deco variant of the Starscream toy in [[:File:G2SSJungleprotojet.jpg|jungle colors]] is also known to exist. As with Blackout and Sandstorm, this may have been intended to be a new character.
**Lastly, ''another'' mock-up deco variant of the Ramjet toy in [[:File:WhizBangNavyRamjetRedeco.jpg|cloud camo]] is also known to exist. As with all the above mock-up decoes, this may have been intended to be a new character.
*The ''Transformers'' [[fandom]] has long mused upon the possibility of female Seekers (and produced countless {{w|Mary Sue|self-insertion characters}} that are variants on the theme). A piece of [[Hasbro]] concept art of what appeared to be a female Seeker design appeared on the [[BotCon 2005]]-exclusive cover of [[Infiltration issue 0|''Infiltration'' #0]], but the idea didn't fully see fruition until [[2008]]'s ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]'' [[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]], the first '''[[canon]]ical''' female character to share a body template with a Starscream.
*The ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' Seeker sculpt has been reused and retooled more times than any other [[mold]].

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Jetron''' (ジェットロン ''Jettoron''), '''Seeker''' (シーカー ''Shīkā'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Sōusuǒ Chě''' (Taiwan, 搜索者, "Seeker"), '''Yóují''' (China, 游击, "Guerilla")
*''Polish'' '''Szperacz''' ("Seeker"/"Scout")

==References==
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[[Category:Decepticon subgroups]]
[[Category:Fan terminology]]
[[Category:Generation 1 subgroups]]
[[Category:Generations Selects Decepticons]]
[[Category:Seekers| Seeker (body-type)]]
[[Category:War for Cybertron: Siege subgroups]]

Talk:Dino

2023-12-04T15:11:50Z

AutoTrooper2801:

Why is this as (Movie) instead of (DOTM)? [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 15:56, 3 June 2011 (EDT)
:Scroll down to the Merchandise section. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:16, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

== Dino? ==

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/transformers-dark-of-the-moon-ferrari-458-italia-is-172358/
Is this true, or complete bull?--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 16:50, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

:''Supposedly'', this is pure truth. All I can say is... DEAR GOD, PLEASE NO.
:[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 23:07, 3 June 2011 (EDT)
::Even if he's referred to as such in the movie, we usually stick to whatever names Hasbro gives them, as with [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]] and several ROTF Construticons. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:33, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

How about listing "Dino" under "foreign names"? Probably not, I think, but it ''might'' be a good place for it, so I thought I'd throw that out there. - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 01:24, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

Then why call him Mirage if he appears to be called Dino?
:Because the novelization, comic adaptation '''and''' toys all refer to him as Mirage. He's only called Dino in the film. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:02, 30 July 2011 (EDT)

== Alt mode ==

Is the toy a Ferrari?-[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 15:56, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
:Hard to tell with all that transluscent plastic drowning out the details. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:01, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

== Deluxe Toy? ==

is there gonna be one?

Yes.

== TF: Prime Cyberverse ==

Why isn't his Cyberverse toy mentioned on this page?--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 15:25, 2 February 2012 (EST)
: Because it's possible it would go on a [[Mirage (Prime)]] page. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:35, 2 February 2012 (EST)
:: I think the toy is meant to be the movie incarnation of Mirage, since Mirage toy have the Prime name removed from the box just like Evac and Soundwave
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== hasbro considers him dino ==
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/549989-mirage-dino-tf4-28.html#post7316102 will the page be renamed or we will keep the Mirage name since the Mirage name was used more than the name Dino?
:[http://www.transformersclub.com/toyfair12/webfiles/DSC_0023.JPG.html] [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:33, 21 February 2012 (EST)

== Early script death ==

Why is there not a note on his proposed death?--[[Special:Contributions/24.69.64.254|24.69.64.254]] 17:55, 15 March 2012 (EDT)

== Deadpool ==

Does anyone notice that he looks like Deadpool?[[User:SirSpoonwave|Spoon]] 02:43, 28 March 2012 (EDT)
:How? Aside from being black and red, how does he resemble Deadpool? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:10, 28 March 2012 (EDT)
::He's Italian. -[[User:LV|LV]] 09:56, 28 March 2012 (EDT)

== Inaccurate Toys ==

Why are none of the toys for Dino Ferraris? [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 14:21, 16 September 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime
:Legitimate question: how old are you? Not trying to be mean, but almost all of the questions you are asking are answered directly in the article, including this one. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 14:31, 16 September 2019 (EDT)
::I can tell you are mentioning the thing I said on the Fallen page. I was just rather confused with what they were trying to say, and I hadn't noticed the link to the page explaining the term I didn't understand. [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 14:43, 16 September 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime
:::No, I'm talking about this article as well. It very clearly states in both the toy and notes section that because Mattel held the Ferrari license at the time for ''Hot Wheels'', Hasbro couldn't use the actual car. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:00, 16 September 2019 (EDT)
I've looked very thoroughly in the toys section it does not mention the Mattel licensing issues, however, you were right about it mentioning the problems in the notes section. Is it possible in the future Hasbro could come out with an accurate Mirage figure?
:Not likely. Mattel would have to lose the Ferrari license and Hasbro would have to then get said license before they could make a toy that actually looked like a Ferrari. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 17:26, 16 September 2019 (EDT)

== Move to Dino ==
I agree with changing his name to '''Dino''' as it is the name spoken within the film and he now has three toys supporting this name. If this character was really meant to be called '''Mirage''' then I would think that HasTak would make more of an effort to support this which they haven't. I know he is loosely based off of the G1 character and even early concept art depicted him having the power of invisiblity, but the film itself doesn't support this ability at all. In conclusion I agree with the move to Dino and having '''(AKA Mirage)''' in the opening paragraph of his page. {{unsigned|Fanofcoolstuff27}}
:In my opinion it's mostly a matter of what Hasbro considers the "real" name to be. Brawl has consistently been "Brawl" on toys rather than "Devastator", so I think we can assume that's still Hasbro's preference. Dino, by contrast, is now being called Dino rather than Mirage. (We have yet to see any updated toys of Que/Wheeljack, but I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere down the line we get an ST "Autobot Que" toy.) --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 18:19, 13 November 2020 (EST)
::Oops, thanks for adding my signature, I made sure I had everything in check before posting and that still managed to slip my mind smh. And yeah, I believe Hasbro using "Devastator" for Brawl would also cause too much confusion for fans since we got a "correct" Devastator in ROTF. Besides, all early concepts for the character and the naming from Hasbro was originally Brawl anyway, it was Michael Bay (and maybe a few others behind the scenes) who preferred the name Devastator, which I do think is pretty fitting for a tank Decepticon who single-handedly held off the Autobots until the other Decepticons arrived in Mission City.
::As for Hasbro using certain names as their preference would still indicate that Dino is the name we'll see the most, since we haven't seen him being called "Mirage" in any toys, merchandise or fiction since 2012 at the latest. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 18:50, 13 November 2020 (EST)
:::There's also the change in authority that's happened at Hasbro since DOTM to consider. Before, it was Aaron Archer and Friends who named the Cyberverse Legion and Speed Stars toys "Mirage" and made the tie-in comics and video games use that name, while its now the current team who are onboard with the onscreen name of "Dino", using it for both the Tiny Turbo Changer and the Studio Series figure, and don't seem to care all that much about the old team's insistence of the "Mirage" name. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:59, 13 November 2020 (EST)
::::That is also very true, it would also explain the retcon with Skipjack now being Devastator's left leg instead of a yellow Rampage. Not to mention the fact that Hasbro based all the earlier toys for Rampage off of the concept art for the old yellow design and possibly made the connection much like they did with all the other Constructicons (Mixmaster and Long Haul for example) and made Rampage the same character as at the time they didn't know the finished Rampage in the film was made orange/red. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 19:13, 13 November 2020 (EST)
Alright, so my position on the name change has been swayed after seeing the images of the kill card props for AOE specifically stating him as "Mirage". This would indicate that he was only ever called "Dino" as a nickname (in-universe of course) due to his Ferrari alternate form.

With that cleared up more or less, on a prop used specifically for the film, should we remove the move suggestion at the top of the page? (I'm not entirely sure who added it or when it was added). [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 04:19, 15 November 2020 (EST)
:A minor prop and your speculation are not definitive statements. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 06:55, 15 November 2020 (EST)
::Fair enough, where do you stand on the name change? [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 07:37, 15 November 2020 (EST)
:::I for one believe that DOTM's namedrop weights more than the AOE's playing card that we ''barely'' get to see in the movie. We also have more toys named Dino rather than Mirage by now, so I would be okay with the move. [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 12:35, 15 November 2020 (EST)
::::Even if "Dino" is just his nickname or alias, it can still be the name of this article since its the more prominent moniker. We have Leland Bishop's article at "Silas", after all. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 17:17, 15 November 2020 (EST)
Okay, if there's no objections, I'll move this in the next few days...? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:46, 17 November 2020 (EST)
::Sounds good. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 15:39, 17 November 2020 (EST)

This is a little weird to me - we haven't moved all the many G1 characters whose modern toys have different names... --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 08:34, 20 November 2020 (EST)
::Those names were changed due to trademark reasons. Dino's name was used in most fiction and with most of his toys supporting this name, means that it's the name HasTak prefers to use for the character. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 14:26, 20 November 2020 (EST)
:::This situation is more in line with the Jetfire/Skyfire debate from back when the character was first introduced in G1 (both names existed since basically the character's introduction), rather than any recent name changes to characters who had only one name established for decades prior. [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 14:31, 20 November 2020 (EST)

== Split Mirage (ROTB)? ==
I'm not sure if this might prove controversial (apologies if so), but it seems reasonable to me to split off ROTB Mirage from this page. Two main reasons:
*Mirage's prominence in the marketing for ROTB means this page will likely become popular with casual viewers over the next few months, and it seems needlessly confusing for these people looking for info on the blue Porsche guy named Mirage to be redirected to a page on this red Ferrari guy named Dino (who also goes by Mirage sometimes, please see the notes section to understand why you are on this page)
*Given that all recent official material has referred to Dino as such, it seems reasonable to assume that Hasbro/Paramount considers the Mirage name obsolete for Dino, and would thus view ROTB Mirage as a different character. Obviously, not working for either company, I can't be 100% certain on this, and am willing to be proven wrong once the movie releases if they do indeed decide to connect the two.
Does anyone have any points against the split? It just seems a lot more casual user friendly to keep them separate, at least for now. [[User:BT383|BT383]] ([[User talk:BT383|talk]]) 14:37, 13 February 2023 (EST)
:I think that makes sense. I would also argue that Wheeljack prrrrrrobably isn't meant to be the G1-looking guy from Bumblebee ''or'' the Robot Einstein from ROTF, but I guess we don't actually have any characterisation for Wheeljack yet, so it's a ''bit'' more ambiguous. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 15:05, 13 February 2023 (EST)

In this particular situation, I don’t necessarily disagree. What I do disagree with is the notion that just because Hasbro decides something retroactively means we have to bend over backwards to accommodate it. It’s entirely against the point of the wiki to do so, and it’s become more and more of a recurring point that people have tried to push and I for one am absolutely pushing for nipping that sort of behavior in the bud. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:20, 13 February 2023 (EST)
:I'm not sure I follow. Do you mean "Hasbro considers Mirage to be "Dino"?" Because that's more of an instance of "previously, the toys and fiction didn't line up, so we defaulted to the Toyline Name; but now the fiction name is being used in the toyline, so the one that's used across both should take precedence". --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 18:28, 13 February 2023 (EST)
::I'm talking in general. If it weren't for the ROTB guy, I would not be convinced that because Hasbro keeps calling him Dino, that his namespace should be at Dino. Just because Hasbro does something now doesn't erase the original intent. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:07, 13 February 2023 (EST)
Shouldn't it be "(Movie)", considering that silly 3D card thing? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:30, 21 February 2023 (EST)
::It should probably be split into 3 segments then. Movie for the 3D Battle Card, Dino for DOTM and Mirage (ROTB) for the one in the movie.
::Or just have ROTB Mirage have a toggle switch section here so we don't necassarily have to split. Just like with UT Mirage and Tidal Wave.--[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 21:14, 18 May 2023 (EDT)
:::good god no we're not splitting the 3D card into its own page --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:05, 18 May 2023 (EDT)
We ABSOLUTELY don't need to put any Mirages at (Movie) because of the card thing. Just "Dino" and "Mirage (ROTB)". [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 02:51, 19 May 2023 (EDT)
::Yeah, the card can go wherever, who cares, but ROTB Mirage absolutely needs to be separated from Dino. [[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 05:58, 20 May 2023 (EDT)
::True. To play safe tho, let's just use the approach we took for the "intended to be a different character but was repurposed to be the same guy" Energon characters like Energon roadblock, Energon Mirage etc.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 06:12, 20 May 2023 (EDT)

Surely it is clear enough at this point that ROTB Mirage needs his own page separate from Dino, yes? I mean right now anyone looking up movie info and following the Mirage link from the main article cast list gets sent to this page with its opening paragraph all about the random red guy with the different name from an earlier movie.[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 10:20, 7 June 2023 (EDT)

== Dino's injured arm ==

You can actually see him getting shot in the arm when the Autobots begin their counter attack. We even have a Picture of it on the Wiki https://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:Mirage_battle.JPG ([[User:AutoTrooper2801|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801|talk]]) 10:11, 4 December 2023 (EST))

Talk:Dino

2023-12-04T15:11:01Z

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Why is this as (Movie) instead of (DOTM)? [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 15:56, 3 June 2011 (EDT)
:Scroll down to the Merchandise section. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:16, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

== Dino? ==

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/transformers-dark-of-the-moon-ferrari-458-italia-is-172358/
Is this true, or complete bull?--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 16:50, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

:''Supposedly'', this is pure truth. All I can say is... DEAR GOD, PLEASE NO.
:[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 23:07, 3 June 2011 (EDT)
::Even if he's referred to as such in the movie, we usually stick to whatever names Hasbro gives them, as with [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]] and several ROTF Construticons. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:33, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

How about listing "Dino" under "foreign names"? Probably not, I think, but it ''might'' be a good place for it, so I thought I'd throw that out there. - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 01:24, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

Then why call him Mirage if he appears to be called Dino?
:Because the novelization, comic adaptation '''and''' toys all refer to him as Mirage. He's only called Dino in the film. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:02, 30 July 2011 (EDT)

== Alt mode ==

Is the toy a Ferrari?-[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 15:56, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
:Hard to tell with all that transluscent plastic drowning out the details. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:01, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

== Deluxe Toy? ==

is there gonna be one?

Yes.

== TF: Prime Cyberverse ==

Why isn't his Cyberverse toy mentioned on this page?--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 15:25, 2 February 2012 (EST)
: Because it's possible it would go on a [[Mirage (Prime)]] page. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:35, 2 February 2012 (EST)
:: I think the toy is meant to be the movie incarnation of Mirage, since Mirage toy have the Prime name removed from the box just like Evac and Soundwave
.

== hasbro considers him dino ==
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/549989-mirage-dino-tf4-28.html#post7316102 will the page be renamed or we will keep the Mirage name since the Mirage name was used more than the name Dino?
:[http://www.transformersclub.com/toyfair12/webfiles/DSC_0023.JPG.html] [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:33, 21 February 2012 (EST)

== Early script death ==

Why is there not a note on his proposed death?--[[Special:Contributions/24.69.64.254|24.69.64.254]] 17:55, 15 March 2012 (EDT)

== Deadpool ==

Does anyone notice that he looks like Deadpool?[[User:SirSpoonwave|Spoon]] 02:43, 28 March 2012 (EDT)
:How? Aside from being black and red, how does he resemble Deadpool? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:10, 28 March 2012 (EDT)
::He's Italian. -[[User:LV|LV]] 09:56, 28 March 2012 (EDT)

== Inaccurate Toys ==

Why are none of the toys for Dino Ferraris? [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 14:21, 16 September 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime
:Legitimate question: how old are you? Not trying to be mean, but almost all of the questions you are asking are answered directly in the article, including this one. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 14:31, 16 September 2019 (EDT)
::I can tell you are mentioning the thing I said on the Fallen page. I was just rather confused with what they were trying to say, and I hadn't noticed the link to the page explaining the term I didn't understand. [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 14:43, 16 September 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime
:::No, I'm talking about this article as well. It very clearly states in both the toy and notes section that because Mattel held the Ferrari license at the time for ''Hot Wheels'', Hasbro couldn't use the actual car. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:00, 16 September 2019 (EDT)
I've looked very thoroughly in the toys section it does not mention the Mattel licensing issues, however, you were right about it mentioning the problems in the notes section. Is it possible in the future Hasbro could come out with an accurate Mirage figure?
:Not likely. Mattel would have to lose the Ferrari license and Hasbro would have to then get said license before they could make a toy that actually looked like a Ferrari. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 17:26, 16 September 2019 (EDT)

== Move to Dino ==
I agree with changing his name to '''Dino''' as it is the name spoken within the film and he now has three toys supporting this name. If this character was really meant to be called '''Mirage''' then I would think that HasTak would make more of an effort to support this which they haven't. I know he is loosely based off of the G1 character and even early concept art depicted him having the power of invisiblity, but the film itself doesn't support this ability at all. In conclusion I agree with the move to Dino and having '''(AKA Mirage)''' in the opening paragraph of his page. {{unsigned|Fanofcoolstuff27}}
:In my opinion it's mostly a matter of what Hasbro considers the "real" name to be. Brawl has consistently been "Brawl" on toys rather than "Devastator", so I think we can assume that's still Hasbro's preference. Dino, by contrast, is now being called Dino rather than Mirage. (We have yet to see any updated toys of Que/Wheeljack, but I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere down the line we get an ST "Autobot Que" toy.) --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 18:19, 13 November 2020 (EST)
::Oops, thanks for adding my signature, I made sure I had everything in check before posting and that still managed to slip my mind smh. And yeah, I believe Hasbro using "Devastator" for Brawl would also cause too much confusion for fans since we got a "correct" Devastator in ROTF. Besides, all early concepts for the character and the naming from Hasbro was originally Brawl anyway, it was Michael Bay (and maybe a few others behind the scenes) who preferred the name Devastator, which I do think is pretty fitting for a tank Decepticon who single-handedly held off the Autobots until the other Decepticons arrived in Mission City.
::As for Hasbro using certain names as their preference would still indicate that Dino is the name we'll see the most, since we haven't seen him being called "Mirage" in any toys, merchandise or fiction since 2012 at the latest. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 18:50, 13 November 2020 (EST)
:::There's also the change in authority that's happened at Hasbro since DOTM to consider. Before, it was Aaron Archer and Friends who named the Cyberverse Legion and Speed Stars toys "Mirage" and made the tie-in comics and video games use that name, while its now the current team who are onboard with the onscreen name of "Dino", using it for both the Tiny Turbo Changer and the Studio Series figure, and don't seem to care all that much about the old team's insistence of the "Mirage" name. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:59, 13 November 2020 (EST)
::::That is also very true, it would also explain the retcon with Skipjack now being Devastator's left leg instead of a yellow Rampage. Not to mention the fact that Hasbro based all the earlier toys for Rampage off of the concept art for the old yellow design and possibly made the connection much like they did with all the other Constructicons (Mixmaster and Long Haul for example) and made Rampage the same character as at the time they didn't know the finished Rampage in the film was made orange/red. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 19:13, 13 November 2020 (EST)
Alright, so my position on the name change has been swayed after seeing the images of the kill card props for AOE specifically stating him as "Mirage". This would indicate that he was only ever called "Dino" as a nickname (in-universe of course) due to his Ferrari alternate form.

With that cleared up more or less, on a prop used specifically for the film, should we remove the move suggestion at the top of the page? (I'm not entirely sure who added it or when it was added). [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 04:19, 15 November 2020 (EST)
:A minor prop and your speculation are not definitive statements. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 06:55, 15 November 2020 (EST)
::Fair enough, where do you stand on the name change? [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 07:37, 15 November 2020 (EST)
:::I for one believe that DOTM's namedrop weights more than the AOE's playing card that we ''barely'' get to see in the movie. We also have more toys named Dino rather than Mirage by now, so I would be okay with the move. [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 12:35, 15 November 2020 (EST)
::::Even if "Dino" is just his nickname or alias, it can still be the name of this article since its the more prominent moniker. We have Leland Bishop's article at "Silas", after all. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 17:17, 15 November 2020 (EST)
Okay, if there's no objections, I'll move this in the next few days...? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:46, 17 November 2020 (EST)
::Sounds good. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 15:39, 17 November 2020 (EST)

This is a little weird to me - we haven't moved all the many G1 characters whose modern toys have different names... --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 08:34, 20 November 2020 (EST)
::Those names were changed due to trademark reasons. Dino's name was used in most fiction and with most of his toys supporting this name, means that it's the name HasTak prefers to use for the character. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 14:26, 20 November 2020 (EST)
:::This situation is more in line with the Jetfire/Skyfire debate from back when the character was first introduced in G1 (both names existed since basically the character's introduction), rather than any recent name changes to characters who had only one name established for decades prior. [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 14:31, 20 November 2020 (EST)

== Split Mirage (ROTB)? ==
I'm not sure if this might prove controversial (apologies if so), but it seems reasonable to me to split off ROTB Mirage from this page. Two main reasons:
*Mirage's prominence in the marketing for ROTB means this page will likely become popular with casual viewers over the next few months, and it seems needlessly confusing for these people looking for info on the blue Porsche guy named Mirage to be redirected to a page on this red Ferrari guy named Dino (who also goes by Mirage sometimes, please see the notes section to understand why you are on this page)
*Given that all recent official material has referred to Dino as such, it seems reasonable to assume that Hasbro/Paramount considers the Mirage name obsolete for Dino, and would thus view ROTB Mirage as a different character. Obviously, not working for either company, I can't be 100% certain on this, and am willing to be proven wrong once the movie releases if they do indeed decide to connect the two.
Does anyone have any points against the split? It just seems a lot more casual user friendly to keep them separate, at least for now. [[User:BT383|BT383]] ([[User talk:BT383|talk]]) 14:37, 13 February 2023 (EST)
:I think that makes sense. I would also argue that Wheeljack prrrrrrobably isn't meant to be the G1-looking guy from Bumblebee ''or'' the Robot Einstein from ROTF, but I guess we don't actually have any characterisation for Wheeljack yet, so it's a ''bit'' more ambiguous. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 15:05, 13 February 2023 (EST)

In this particular situation, I don’t necessarily disagree. What I do disagree with is the notion that just because Hasbro decides something retroactively means we have to bend over backwards to accommodate it. It’s entirely against the point of the wiki to do so, and it’s become more and more of a recurring point that people have tried to push and I for one am absolutely pushing for nipping that sort of behavior in the bud. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:20, 13 February 2023 (EST)
:I'm not sure I follow. Do you mean "Hasbro considers Mirage to be "Dino"?" Because that's more of an instance of "previously, the toys and fiction didn't line up, so we defaulted to the Toyline Name; but now the fiction name is being used in the toyline, so the one that's used across both should take precedence". --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 18:28, 13 February 2023 (EST)
::I'm talking in general. If it weren't for the ROTB guy, I would not be convinced that because Hasbro keeps calling him Dino, that his namespace should be at Dino. Just because Hasbro does something now doesn't erase the original intent. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:07, 13 February 2023 (EST)
Shouldn't it be "(Movie)", considering that silly 3D card thing? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:30, 21 February 2023 (EST)
::It should probably be split into 3 segments then. Movie for the 3D Battle Card, Dino for DOTM and Mirage (ROTB) for the one in the movie.
::Or just have ROTB Mirage have a toggle switch section here so we don't necassarily have to split. Just like with UT Mirage and Tidal Wave.--[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 21:14, 18 May 2023 (EDT)
:::good god no we're not splitting the 3D card into its own page --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:05, 18 May 2023 (EDT)
We ABSOLUTELY don't need to put any Mirages at (Movie) because of the card thing. Just "Dino" and "Mirage (ROTB)". [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 02:51, 19 May 2023 (EDT)
::Yeah, the card can go wherever, who cares, but ROTB Mirage absolutely needs to be separated from Dino. [[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 05:58, 20 May 2023 (EDT)
::True. To play safe tho, let's just use the approach we took for the "intended to be a different character but was repurposed to be the same guy" Energon characters like Energon roadblock, Energon Mirage etc.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 06:12, 20 May 2023 (EDT)

Surely it is clear enough at this point that ROTB Mirage needs his own page separate from Dino, yes? I mean right now anyone looking up movie info and following the Mirage link from the main article cast list gets sent to this page with its opening paragraph all about the random red guy with the different name from an earlier movie.[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 10:20, 7 June 2023 (EDT)

== Dino's injured arm ==

You actually see him getting shot in the arm when the Autobots begin their counter attack. We even have a Picture of it on the Wiki https://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:Mirage_battle.JPG (10:11, 4 December 2023 (EST))

Talk:Witwicky (surname)

2023-09-04T16:56:56Z

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Can we get a cite for that U.S. Social Security Death Index reference, Derik? I hope their names were Clarence and Herbert... -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:17, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

:Done! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:32, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
::I'd like to note that there are plenty of Witwickys in [http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census06/SurnameList06.jsp?surname=Witwicky Canada, at least]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:37, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Does [[Jesse (G1)|Jesse]] need to be added here? In [[The Lost Treasure of Cybertron]] she and Buster were married and Daniel was their kid. Weird as the Daniel thing is-- she's a Witwicky in at least ''one'' pocket continuity. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:37, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

:I'd say yes, if you add the marriage thing to her page first. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:40, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

::I remember arguing with someone about this- I'll check the source material before I do an addition. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:43, 14 June 2007 (UTC) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:43, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
::She's [http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~sstoneb/tf/books/coloring/lost-treasure/lost-treasure-19.jpg not named], and I'm pretty sure that's ''not'' a version Carly's season-3 character model. It's vaguely possible it's just a reinterpetation of it as an open-vest thing... I just got The Ark in the mail yesterday, so I'll check when I get home to assuage my doubts.
::IRC Walky swears it's a version of Jesse's look from one of the Marvel issues. That's usually good enough for me... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:57, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
:::We don't know they're married! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:26, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
::::That's rather risque for a coloring book isn't it? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:28, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
::::If that's all we have to go on... yeah. They might be living in sin because she doesn't want to take his goofy name. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 22:30, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Also, I may have been on crack when I remembered that outfit as being one of Jessie's. I've gone through her appearances and haven't found anything like that yet. It's actually a little closer to what Carly wears, with the headband and the vest-ish thing. Jessie only wore cleavage-plummeting v-neck shirts or Totally 80s Turtleneck and Beret combos. (At least, before this coloring book was published.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:33, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Personally I'd like to see a citation on the family motto, which I'm not familiar with, as well a rephrasing to point out that the motto is only from one particular (and I presume obscure) continuity, or from the movie family only, or whatever. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:51, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
:So, where is that motto actually from? Does anyone know? --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 03:12, 10 June 2013 (EDT)
::It is from the movies. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:32, 10 June 2013 (EDT)

===...what?===
# Ronald Witwicky - Sam's father and Judy's wife.
# Judy Witwicky - Sam's mother and Ron's husband.

--[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:11, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:Uhm... haven't seen the movie yet but maybe it's a joke that Judy "wears the pants" in the relationship? [[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:17, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

::Not notably, probably just an error. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:28, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

== "In The Last Stand, Sparkplug had a dream sequence where he identified his first name as William." ==

It was not in "The Last Stand" it was in "Prisoner of War!" ([[User:AutoTrooper2801|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801|talk]]) 12:56, 4 September 2023 (EDT))

Talk:Battletrap (ROTB)

2023-08-13T04:31:50Z

AutoTrooper2801: Created page with "Would it be worth mentioning that Google lists Battletrap as an Actor in the Movie for some reason? (~~~~)"

Would it be worth mentioning that Google lists Battletrap as an Actor in the Movie for some reason? ([[User:AutoTrooper2801|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801|talk]]) 00:31, 13 August 2023 (EDT))

Ironhide (Movie)

2023-06-23T15:52:06Z

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{{disambig3|Ironhide}}{{suite}}
:''Ironhide is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Movie continuity family]].''

[[File:Movie Ironhide promorender2.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|A different kind of tooth fairy. He knocks them out for the one in the frilly dress to collect.]]
'''Ironhide''' is the Autobots' resident weapons specialist and [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]'s old friend. He is old because he is ''hard''. He's probably had enough replacement parts to build a small army, but Ironhide doggedly refuses to roll over and die for anyone. He'll fight to the bitter end and take down more than his fair share of [[Decepticon]]s in the process.

Ironhide doesn't always see optic to optic with Prime, despite their friendship. He's perhaps the more practical of the two, and more than a little trigger happy, so he can be more willing to push the Autobot code to the limit if he thinks it will get the job done faster.

He has more guns than [[Socialist Democratic Federated Republic of Carbombya|a smaller third-world country]], and he may or may not have blown up a [[Kyber-5|planet]] with said guns. Ironhide possesses an unusual, vaguely Oceanic [[accent]].

He is also sometimes known as the "[[Tooth Fairy]]".

{{bigquote|I'm a soldier. I'm ''made'' for war. Your kind simply... are not.|Ironhide's resume for joining the Autobots|[[Defiance issue 4|''Defiance'' #4]]}}

==Fiction==
===Movies===
{{note|The six movies are the primary component of the live-action movie continuity family. Their events should be taken as canon for all other pieces of fiction listed below, unless otherwise specified.}}

====''Transformers'' film====
{{voiceactor|[[Jess Harnell]] (English), [[Katsuhiro Kitagawa]] (Japanese)|[[Gai Wenge]] (Chinese), [[Oliver Siebeck]] (German), [[Duda Espinoza]] (Portuguese), [[Dafnis Fernández]] (Latin American-Spanish), [[Ricky Coello]] (Castilian Spanish), [[Pascal Massix]] (European French), [[Manuel Tadros]] (Canadian French), [[Vinod Sharma]] (Hindi), [[Roberto Pedicini]] (Italian), [[Kerem Atabeyoğlu]] (Turkish)}}

{{bigquote | Just kidding... I just wanted to show him my cannons.|Ironhide is eager to impress.}}

[[File:Movie Ironhide introduction.jpg|left|upright=1.2|thumb|Clint Eastbot in The Good, The Bad and The Metallic.]]

Responding to [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]'s call for assistance, Ironhide and the other Autobots under Optimus Prime's direct command came to [[Earth]], with the old soldier landing in a suburban pool. As he climbed out of the water, a little human girl asked him if he was (of all things) the tooth fairy before he quickly hid behind some trees when the child's parents exited the house. He scanned their GMC Topkick truck and transformed, leaving the residence. He linked up with [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]] and [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]], and they proceeded to the rendezvous point, where they met up with Optimus and Bumblebee. After meeting [[Sam Witwicky]] and [[Mikaela Banes]], Ironhide displayed an eagerness to show off his [[Weapon|cannons]], and made a classic {{w|Clint Eastwood}} impression to show it by saying "You feeling lucky, punk?"(which earned him an instant reproof from Optimus).

[[File:Movie Ironhide threatens Mojo.JPG|upright=1.4|thumb|Don't shoot! I swear I don't feel lucky!]]

Going to the Witwicky residence, Ironhide had lubricant released upon him by [[Mojo|a rodent]]. This unpleasant situation was made worse by Sam Witwicky's frantic refusal to let him shoot it. Ironhide relented, despite the fact that it would cause rust. He also suggested shooting [[Ron Witwicky|the]] [[Judy Witwicky|parents]], as they were interfering with Sam's search for [[Archibald Witwicky|Captain Witwicky]]'s [[glasses]]. Optimus reminded him that they don't hurt humans and scolded his weapons expert, to which Ironhide meekly responded that he merely thought it should remain an option.

After Sam, Mikaela and his parents were captured by [[Sector Seven]], Ironhide got a ''real'' good chance to show off his cannons when he and the other Autobots totally outclassed the S7 agents by instantly disarming them of their weapons, then rescuing the boy and his girl. Unfortunately, their escape was to be short-lived, as [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] was captured by the mysterious agents after saving Sam and Mikaela's lives. The next morning, when Optimus Prime was pondering their next move, Ironhide asked why they had to save the humans, prompting Prime to go into one of his long speeches about freedom and sacrifice, concluding that the humans need not pay for the mistakes of Cybertron-kind, and if need be, he would destroy the AllSpark by fusing it with his own spark. Inspired by his words, Ironhide debated no further, and the Autobots set out for the location of the AllSpark, [[Hoover Dam]]. Halfway there, to their surprise, they saw Bumblebee leading a column of Sector Seven assault vehicles, so Ironhide and the rest of the Autobots joined the unit.

[[File:Movie Ironhide shootground.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|Ironhide is a real showoff.]]

During the final battle at [[Mission City]], Ironhide realized that the F-22 Raptor that appeared to be providing [[William Lennox|Captain Lennox's]] troops with air cover was in fact his former comrade [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]. Ordering the others to take cover, Ironhide and Bumblebee lifted a discarded truck full of ''[[Furby]]'' toys to protect the humans against Starscream's strafing run. It worked, but the explosion threw Ironhide back and crippled Bumblebee. Soon afterwards, [[Brawl (Movie)|Devastator]] attacked, forcing Ironhide to do several somersaults to avoid the Decepticon's missiles, thus totally scaring the crap out of a lady sitting in the middle of the street.

[[File:Movie Prime Jazz Ironhide Ratchet battleaftermath2.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Now you know why they call me Ironhide: every dirty job that comes along.]]
Ironhide and Ratchet took it upon themselves to protect Sam from [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] and [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]] as he made his way to a rooftop where he could pass the [[AllSpark#Live-action movie universe|AllSpark]] to a military helicopter. Unfortunately, Starscream blocked off Sam's path, prompting the Autobot guardians to engage the more powerful Decepticon immediately. After taking several missiles in the gut, Ironhide implored Sam to keep running.

After the destruction of Megatron and the AllSpark, Ironhide cradled the body of the fallen Jazz and somberly informed Optimus Prime that there was nothing they could do. Ironhide then gave Captain Lennox a ride home and spent the remainder of the day observing Sam and Mikaela making out on the hood of Bumblebee's [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]]. {{Storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}}

{{note|Ironhide's involvement in the preceding events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the novels "[[Transformers (novel)|Transformers]]," "[[Transformers: The Junior Novel]]" and "[[The Quest for the AllSpark]]"; the "[[Transformers: Movie Adaptation]]" and "[[Movie Trilogy]]" comics; the activity book "[[Look and Find Transformers]]"; and the storybooks "[[Optimus Prime Versus Megatron]]," "[[Sam's New Car]]," "[[Transformers (interactive Play-a-Sound Storybook)|Transformers Play-a-Sound]]," "[[Meet the Autobots]]," "[[Meet the Decepticons]]," "[[Transformers Mix & Match]]" and "[[Transformers: The Movie Storybook]]."}}

====''Revenge of the Fallen'' film====
{{voiceactor|[[Jess Harnell]] (English), [[Katsuhiro Kitagawa]] (Japanese)|[[Gai Wenge]] (Chinese), [[Oliver Siebeck]] (German), [[Duda Espinoza]] (Portuguese), [[Dafnis Fernández]] (Latin American-Spanish), [[Ricky Coello]] (Castilian Spanish), [[Gilles Morvan]] (European French), [[Manuel Tadros]] (Canadian French), [[Vinod Sharma]] (Hindi), [[Roberto Pedicini]] (Italian), [[Kerem Atabeyoğlu]] (Turkish)}}
[[File:ROTFPrimeandIronhide-Nottoday.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|We see you down there.]]
Ironhide acted as an Autobot support unit in [[Shanghai]] as [[NEST]] hunted for Decepticons. When [[William Lennox|Major Lennox]] told him that they had echoes of energy readings, Ironhide assumed robot mode and confirmed that their target was nearby, saying he could smell him. Unfortunately, the Decepticon in question turned out to be [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]]. Ironhide chased after the massive Decepticon as it roared through the streets before [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] was deployed from the air and attacked Demolishor, allowing Ironhide to jump on his structure and shoot out his massive wheel, sending him crashing into a warehouse. Ironhide stood with his commander as Optimus prepared to deliver the killing blow, listening to Demolishor's warning about [[The Fallen]]'s return before he died. Ironhide returned to base, resting in his [[alternate mode]] in his hangar while Optimus conferred with [[William Lennox]], General [[Morshower]] and [[Theodore Galloway]].

[[File:ROTF Ironhide standoff.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|"If you're gonna point a gun at someone, just keep it pointed away from him."]]
Later, Ironhide accompanied the Autobots to rescue [[Sam Witwicky]] from [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] and [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], but was too late, for the revived Decepticon leader had killed Optimus in combat. When Ironhide returned to an American air base with Optimus' body, he was surrounded by military forces under Galloway, who had managed to secure NEST's deactivation following multiple Decepticon attacks around the planet. Furious that the humans dared to point a weapon at him, Ironhide almost lost his temper, but Lennox convinced him to not turn on the non-NEST soldiers. [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] recommended leaving [[Earth]], but Ironhide argued he believed Optimus would not want them to abandon the humans, apparently becoming leader of the Autobots in the process.

Ironhide was to retreat with the other Autobots to [[Diego Garcia]] until Lennox received a message from Witwicky and his friends to come to [[Egypt]], having figured out the Decepticons' scheme. Lennox managed to trick Galloway into jumping out of the plane carrying the soldiers and Prime's body, while the rest of the Autobots in the second plane quickly cut through the nets containing them. Ironhide then advised the crew to open the doors and let him out of the plane. NEST parachuted into a small village near the [[Pyramid]]s, but soon lost communication when Starscream released an EMP blast at them.

[[File:ROTF Ironhide retreat.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|If I'm running you know its bad!]]
During the [[Operation: Firestorm|defensive operations of NEST's position]], Lennox decided to send a team to locate Sam, and Ironhide and [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] immediately announced that they would lead the team. Transforming to vehicle mode, Ironhide rolled out with a number of soldiers and Arcee. After finding the humans, they were ambushed by [[Buffalo MPV Decepticon|several Decepticons]], with both Arcee and Ironhide hit numerous times while providing cover fire for their friends, and told Sam and Mikaela to run while they drew their fire. Ironhide survived, albeit heavily damaged, and had to run for his life (ejecting his weapons in the process) when a [[United States Air Force]] B-1B Lancer bomber arrived delivering 2000-pound JDAM bombs, obliterating the remaining Decepticon troops in the area. Momentarily safe, Ironhide and the others witnessed Sam resurrect Optimus Prime with the [[Matrix of Leadership#Live-action film series|Matrix of Leadership]], and his leader's subsequent defeat of The Fallen. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

{{note|Ironhide's involvement in the preceding events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the novels "[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]," "[[Revenge of the Fallen: The Junior Novel]]" and "[[The Last Prime]]"; the "[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Official Movie Adaptation]]" and "[[Movie Trilogy]]" comics; and the storybooks "[[I Am Optimus Prime (ROTF)|I Am Optimus Prime]]," "[[Operation Autobot]]," "[[When Robots Attack!]]," "[[Rise of the Decepticons]]," "[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Electronic Voice Changer]]" and "[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Mix & Match]]."}}

====''Dark of the Moon'' film====
{{voiceactor|[[Jess Harnell]] (English), [[Katsuhiro Kitagawa]] (Japanese)|[[Gai Wenge]] (Chinese), [[Dafnis Fernández]] (Latin American Spanish), [[Ricky Coello]] (Castilian Spanish), [[Oliver Siebeck]] (German), [[Gilles Morvan]] (European French), [[Manuel Tadros]] (Canadian French), [[Vinod Sharma]] (Hindi), [[Duda Espinoza]] (Portuguese), [[Roberto Pedicini]] (Italian), [[Galip Erdal]] (Turkish)}}

{{bigquote|Class dismissed.|Ironhide, after destroying the [[Dread (DOTM)|Dreads]]}}

[[File:DOTM-Ironhidecrashvault.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|Who's that coming up on my right?]]

In the years since the defeat of The Fallen in Egypt, and with their human allies closely watching for signs of Decepticon activity, the Autobots have now dedicated themselves to resolving human conflicts, fearing that rogue elements of humanity might spark the sort of global conflicts that devastated Cybertron.

Shortly after returning to the NEST facility from an unspecified mission, Ironhide was inspecting a new weapon that [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Que]] had created when NSA Director [[Charlotte Mearing]] arrived to speak with [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]. However, Ironhide and [[Dino]] let the human know that the Autobot leader was in a foul mood, believing that the US government had lied to the Autobots about disclosing all of their knowledge about the Cybertronians, given the discovery of an engine fuel cell from the long-lost ''[[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]]'' at [[Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant|Chernobyl]]. Mearing professed that she had not had clearance to this information until now, and introduced the Autobots to [[NASA]] administrators and famed [[Apollo 11]] astronaut [[Buzz Aldrin]], who explained the truth about their mission to the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]] was to explore the wreck of the ''Ark'', and how they suspected that the [[Soviet Union]] had been trying to generate fissionable power with the fuel cell.

After [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]] had been rescued from the wreck of the ''Ark'' and brought back to Earth, Ironhide rushed into the chamber where he had been reactivated by the [[Matrix of Leadership]] after hearing of a commotion. After Sentinel realized that he was among friends, Ironhide witnessed him explain how his pillars were key to activating his [[space bridge]], a teleportation device that was crucial to the Autobot war effort.

[[File:DOTM-Mexicanstandoff.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.67|How did this happen?! None of us are even Mexican!]]

Soon, the human boy Sam Witwicky discovered that the Decepticons had stolen hundreds of pillars from the ''Ark'' decades earlier, and were now after Sentinel Prime and his control pillar to utilize the space bridge. As Sentinel, Bumblebee, [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]] and Mirage neared the NEST base, Ironhide moved out to intercept their Decepticon pursuers, the [[Dread (DOTM)|Dreads]]. After colliding head on with [[Crankcase (DOTM)|Crankcase]] and [[Crowbar]], Ironhide and Sideswipe forced the Decepticons to drop their weapons after a tense "Mexican standoff". However, they deployed explosive spears, managing to hit Ironhide in the shoulder with one before recommencing their attack. The veteran Autobot caught a blaster tossed by Sideswipe and used it to shoot Crowbar in the face, before pulling the spear out of his shoulder, impaling it into Crankcase's face, slamming the Decepticon into an abandoned car and kicking the wreckage into a nearby auto shop as the spear exploded.

[[File:DOTM-Ironhiderust.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|You better [[:File:TFTM Ironhide dies.jpg|get used]] to [[Death|dying horribly]], buddy.]]

Arriving at the NEST base, Ironhide assured Sam and Colonel Lennox that he would protect Sentinel Prime from the Decepticons. However, the former Autobot leader had other ideas, explaining that he knew that they would never win the war, and to save Cybertron from destruction, a deal was made with Megatron. Before anybody could react, Sentinel shot Ironhide in the back with his hidden [[Cosmic Rust (disease)|cosmic rust]] cannon. Succumbing to the effects of the rust, Ironhide demanded to know what Sentinel had done, but the Prime callously stated that he was merely "discharging" the soldier from duty, and dealt the finishing blow. As the traitor disappeared into the NEST base to retrieve his pillars, Ironhide died, crumbling into dust. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}
{{note|Ironhide's involvement in the preceding events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the novels "[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (novel)|Transformers: Dark of the Moon]]" and "[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon: The Junior Novel]]"; the "[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon Movie Adaptation]]" and "[[Movie Trilogy]]" comics; and the storybooks "[[Autobots Versus Decepticons]]," "[[Optimus Prime's Friends and Foes]]," "[[Dark of the Moon: Action Pop-ups!]]" and "[[Bumblebee's Best Friend]]."}}
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====''Age of Extinction'' film====
Five years after the Battle of Chicago, Ironhide was listed as "deceased" by the CIA taskforce, [[Cemetery Wind]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction}}
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====''The Last Knight'' film====
[[File:TLK-history-Ironhide.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85|left]]
Ironhide was active during the {{w|Battle of Trafalgar}} in 1805 and the [[World War I|First World War]] in 1914, where his exploits were documented and covered up by the [[Order of the Witwiccans]]. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}
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====''Bumblebee'' film====
{{note|''Bumblebee'' takes place before the other films (supposedly), but was released last. As such, it is placed at the bottom here.}}
Ironhide was among the Autobots fending off a wave of Decepticon forces led by [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] and [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] and was eventually ordered to retreat by Optimus Prime. Tasked with finding other Autobots scattered throughout the galaxy and rendezvous on [[Earth]], they left Cybertron in various escape pods. {{storylink|Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee}}

===IDW movie comics===
Thousands of years ago, with Cybertron's energy reserves dwindling and the Transformer race splintering into warring factions, Ironhide was part of the [[Thetacon (tribe)|Thetacons]], violent militants who rejected the teachings of [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]]. He was part of the battle to seize the retrieved [[AllSpark]] from Sentinel's band, but when that group used the AllSpark to revitalise Cybertron (proving Sentinel was right all along), the Thetacons lay down their arms. Ironhide did not understand what the Cube was going to be used ''for'' if not for subjugation, and Optimus informed him it was to spread "freedom". In gratitude, Ironhide spoke to his commanders about building a temple to house the AllSpark. {{storylink|Foundation issue 1|Foundation #1}}

In the unified Cybertron, Ironhide became a captain in [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]'s Cybertronian [[Defense Force]]. He grumbled about working with inexperienced recruits like [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] and [[Chromia (ROTF)|Chromia]], though he and Chromia shared a more merciful attitude than the rest of the force towards [[malcontent]]s opposing Sentinel's new order. He visited Optimus during an archaeological expedition by his [[Science Division]], expressing delight at how they were proving many beliefs Ironhide had deemed invalid after Sentinel proved he was a Prime. {{storylink|Foundation issue 2|Foundation #2}}

[[File:Defiance1 Ironhide Starscream.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.67|"Sorry, we can't take you on in the Decepticons if you insist on having good-guy eyes."]]

Later, when Megatron had usurped leadership of Cybertron with Optimus to become [[Lord High Protector]], Ironhide and commander Starscream were to report to him, but Starscream was late due to an encounter with [[Ejoornian|hostile aliens]] from the [[Eshems Nebula]]. Later, during an attack by the same aliens, Ironhide commanded the ground defense units in the city of [[Metrotitan (ROTF)|Metrotitan]], near the [[Simfur Temple]]. When [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] and [[Cliffjumper (Movie)|Cliffjumper]] were pinned down inside the temple, they considered contacting Ironhide for suggestions on what to do. {{storylink|Defiance issue 1|Defiance #1}}

After the aliens were driven out and Megatron assumed his dictatorship of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Ironhide found himself belonging to an increasingly violent and unstable military. He was present when Megatron ordered Starscream to conduct some clandestine operation of which Ironhide did not take part in. {{storylink|Defiance issue 3|Defiance #3}} He and Chromia later saw Optimus Prime and his team leaving after setting up a bomb after defeating Starscream. {{storylink|Foundation issue 3|Foundation #3}} The disenchanted Ironhide turned his back on the military after Megatron's declared Optimus's followers to be traitors, and that the army now flew under the banner of the [[Decepticon]]s. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 3|Defiance #3}}

[[File:Defiance4 Ironhide madeforwar.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|Ironhide '''''REALLY''''' wants to join the Autobots.]]

Disillusioned with what the military had become, Ironhide wandered far from [[Trypticon (Movie)|Trypticon]] to search for answers, and so preoccupied was his thoughts that he was captured by forces loyal to Optimus Prime in [[Burthov]]. Brought before the rebel leader, Ironhide pledged his allegiance to Optimus's Autobots, stating that he had no desire to destroy the innocent, and he knew the Autobots to be innocent of what Megatron charged them with. Besides, they needed somebody with his experience as a soldier. When the Autobots discovered that Megatron was building [[Nemesis (ROTF)|a massive warship]], they thought it would be best to build one of their own, though they lacked the means to do so. Ironhide, however, knew of [[Ark (Movie)|a fix-er-upper]] that they could repair in secret. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 4|Defiance #4}}

As more gathered to Optimus Prime's cause, a young Autobot named [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]] came to train under Ironhide. After Ironhide showed him the ropes, he went on to be assigned to a settlement of displaced Autobots. That assignment went disastrously, as [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] massacred the entire settlement, leaving Ironhide's student for dead. Sideswipe returned to the same unit as his former mentor embittered, suffering from survivor's guilt. Noting the new recklessness and ruthlessness that Sideswipe displayed, Ironhide attempted to reach out to his old student. Angrily, Sideswipe declared that he had grown beyond Ironhide's tutelage. {{storylink|Tales of the Fallen issue 2|Tales of the Fallen #2}}

As the war raged, Sentinel revealed he had constructed a [[pillar|torch]] that would end the war and prevent more deaths. It required the AllSpark to be activated, and Ironhide led the Autobot charge on Simfur Temple. [[Elita-One (Movie)|Elita-One]] successfully activated the torch and delivered it to Sentinel, who boarded the [[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]]. The ship arrived at Simfur, but Starscream destroyed it. Ironhide carried Arcee and Chromia off the battlefield during the retreat. A vengeful Optimus led an attack on [[Lord High Protector citadel|Megatron's citadel]], and Ironhide stood by his side, sustaining heavy damage when he pushed Optimus out of the way of the [[smelting pool]]. Optimus entered the citadel to confront Megatron alone, while Starscream and [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] attacked Ironhide. Optimus revealed the attack was a distraction from the theft of the AllSpark by [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack]]'s Autobots aboard the second [[Ark (Movie)|Ark]], and opted to rescue his best friend instead of killing Megatron. {{storylink|Foundation issue 3|Foundation #3}} {{storylink|Foundation issue 4|Foundation #4}}

Optimus claimed they would take the AllSpark aboard the Ark as they left Cybertron, but what he didn't reveal to all but a select few was that they were really going to blast the AllSpark into deep space to both distract the Decepticons and to buy them valuable time. Ironhide was one of those who followed Prime on the ''Ark'' to chase after the AllSpark, which, unbeknownst to the Autobots, had locked onto the position of a [[Star Harvester]] in a distant star system. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 4|Defiance #4}}

As the Autobots and their human allies made their way to Mission City, Ironhide rammed [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] into a support pylon on the freeway, putting the Decepticon out of commission. {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream issue 1|The Reign of Starscream #1}}

[[File:Alliance1 Ironhide Lennox realfirepower.jpg|left|upright=1.67|thumb|"I'm not impressed by someone who blows up JUST ONE CAR."]]
In the immediate aftermath of the battle in Mission City, Ironhide accompanied Captain Lennox and his soldiers, hunting for [[AllSpark Mutation|creatures created by the AllSpark energies]]. They had already destroyed three of the creatures when [[Xbox 360 robot|another one]] fled into a red minivan, which Lennox's men peppered with small arms fire. Ironhide decided to show them what ''real'' firepower was and blew up the van with one shot. As the Autobots prepared to move out and flee the approaching Sector Seven and government forces, Ironhide placed Jazz's remains into a trailer [[Robert Epps|Sergeant Epps]] had found, and together the soldiers had a moment of silence for their fallen comrade. A month later, after he was approached by [[Seymour Simmons|Agent Simmons]], Lennox requested the Autobots help escort the human convoy transporting the remains of the fallen Decepticons. However, the Autobots had been shadowed on their way to the meeting place by a police car, whom both Lennox and Ironhide guessed was Barricade. {{storylink|Alliance issue 1|Alliance #1}}

[[File:Alliance1 Ironhide-Jazz momentofsilence.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|At least [[Human|they're]] more emotional about this than Prime, and ''they never knew him''.]]
Ironhide and the other Autobots arrived at Sector Seven's secret [[Nevada]] desert installation to participate in the convoy that would transport the Decepticon bodies to San Francisco. He disagreed with Optimus Prime's decision to leave the AllSpark fragment in the custody of Sector Seven while they were away, but nevertheless respected his commander's decision. On the freeway, Optimus Prime had a change of heart and sent Ironhide and Bumblebee back to retrieve the AllSpark fragment. Unfortunately, Ironhide, being the slower of the two Autobots, didn't reach the base until after [[Wreckage (Movie)|Wreckage]] and Starscream had caused significant death and destruction. During the cleanup, he could be seen comforting the injured Bumblebee. {{storylink|Alliance issue 2|Alliance #2}}

[[File:Alliance3 Ironhide Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4]]
Amidst the scene of devastation at Sector Seven's Nevada base, Ironhide praised Bumblebee for his courage in attempting to defend the humans, but Bumblebee regretted that he could not save them all. After Jazz's burial two weeks later, Optimus Prime accepted a proposal from Captain Lennox that the humans and the Autobots form [[NEST|a special unit]] tasked with defending their mutual home. The Autobots began training with their human allies on the island of [[Diego Garcia]], however, the lack of coordination meant even Bumblebee showed up the humans. Ironhide opined that Bumblebee's shot was "awesome". Regardless of some teething issues, the team rolled out when the Decepticon [[Swindle (Movie)|Swindle]] was spotted in [[San Francisco]]. {{storylink|Alliance issue 3|Alliance #3}}

On the plane trip to the city, Ironhide commented on the likelihood of Swindle and [[Jolt (Movie)|Dead End]] putting up a fight, and how he hated flying. On the safe, stable ground, Lennox gave orders, Ratchet and Epps were assigned to team two, who would set the trap. En route to the Decepticons, Ratchet and Ironhide bantered about how the former's vehicle mode was more suited to [[NEST]]'s cover story of a chemical spill, while the latter asserted that he was the more stylish of the pair. After the Decepticons were disposed of, Major Lennox and Optimus Prime decided to send Bumblebee back to the United States to once again assume the role of Sam's guardian. Ironhide reminded his little buddy to stay out of trouble, at least until the larger Autobot arrived to take over the protector role. Soon, more Decepticons were spotted on Earth, and Ironhide was deployed to [[Italy]] to deal with [[Fracture (Movie)|Fracture]]'s team. After [[Reverb (Movie)|Reverb]] and [[Gunbarrel (Movie)|Gunbarrel]] had been destroyed, NEST forces led Fracture to Ironhide, who rammed the [[Female Transformer|female Decepticon]] off the cliff road she was racing upon. Somewhere in the United States, Barricade managed to evade capture or destruction, forcing Ironhide to give Bumblebee warning. {{Storylink|Alliance issue 4|Alliance #4}}

Ironhide was reunited with Sideswipe at [[Diego Garcia]] after the younger bot had answered Optimus Prime's homing beacon and joined [[NEST]]. He found that Sideswipe had changed little, and if anything had become even more of a loose cannon in his pursuit of Demolishor. Unable to reach his former trainee with words, Ironhide was reduced to performing damage control in the skirmish at [[Buenos Aires]], [[Argentina]]. However, in the aftermath, Sideswipe saw the destruction he had wrought and the fear it engendered in the humans, begrudgingly admitting that Ironhide had been right all along. {{storylink|Tales of the Fallen issue 2|Tales of the Fallen #2}}

[[File:Ironhidehitnefarious2.jpeg|thumb|upright=1.65]]
Ironhide was part of the team that halted [[Alice (ROTF)|Alice]]'s rampage after the Decepticon stole an RV. He didn't contribute much to the battle, possibly because subtlety was called for. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 1|Nefarious #1}} He joined Sideswipe in stopping three Decepticons fleeing a site in [[Utah]]. He warned Sideswipe of the possible effects of hubris, and rammed [[Reverb (ROTF)|Reverb]]. When [[Dirt Boss (ROTF)|Dirt Boss]] seemed to surrender, Ironhide prevented Sideswipe from doing anything fatal to the Decepticon so they could have an interrogation, but Dirt Boss's surrender was merely to allow time for [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] to attack. Ironhide was pounced on by [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]] and then shot at by Soundwave, but luckily [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] chose that point to come to their rescue and Soundwave was captured. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 2|Nefarious #2}}

Ironhide began preparing an old nuclear shelter in [[Texas]] to house Soundwave, though he was sceptical that the Decepticon would reach it. As it turned out, he was right, and Soundwave escaped en route. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 3|Nefarious #3}} When he heard Galloway was under Decepticon attack, Ironhide put forward the opinion that the man was a "pain in the aft", but Optimus reminded him they should still help. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 4|Nefarious #4}}

Soundwave led the Autobots to the location of the [[Initiative base]] in [[California]], but it was gone. Ironhide figured that it must have had something to do with the recent mysterious activities. Soundwave's research relocated the base in [[Utah]], so the Autobots drove there and attacked, only to find themselves facing brainwashed [[Transformer]]s. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 5|Nefarious #5}} Ironhide and Ratchet fought on, ramming a bunch of the brainwashed 'bots in their vehicle modes. They felt the effects when [[Carter Newell]] attempted to destroy all Cybertronian life on the planet using the [[AllSpark]] constructed by the Initiative, however the battle turned in the Autobots' favor and they eventually triumphed. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 6|Nefarious #6}}

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Ironhide was part of a human-Autobot joint strike team that took out a group of Decepticons dealing weapons to Earth's human populace. When Divebomb attempted to use Lennox, Galloway and another NEST soldier as a hostage to extricate himself from the situation, Ironhide blew a hole through the Decepticon, telling him not to threaten humans. This display of power was enough to make the remaining Decepticon, Fearswoop, surrender unconditionally. Ironhide escorted Fearswoop back to NEST headquarters, keeping his cannons locked on the 'con at all times. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 1|Rising Storm #1}} When Sam called in that he was being attacked by a group of Decepticons, after the [[Brains|Brain Unit]] that he had stumbled onto, Ironhide was deployed to help with the situation. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 2|Rising Storm #2}} Ironhide's group arrived in Philadelphia just in time to rescue Sam from being killed by Starscream's hand. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 3|Rising Storm #3}} But Ironhide noticed something odd about the battle. The Decepticons weren't fighting back, merely trying to make their getaway. The battle had turned out to be a diversion orchestrated by Shockwave in order to get to several Autobot refugees left behind at the NEST headquarters. Shockwave himself soon joined the battle, turning the tide in the Decepticons' favour. The Autobots managed to send Shockwave fleeing with his pet Driller, but only just barely. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 4|Rising Storm #4}}
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===Titan movie comics===
[[File:Titan Ironhidetranisition.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Okay, when even your ''transition form'' has eff-off great weapons...]]
That mega-bazooka of his has been with him since he was a proto-chip. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 20|Return to Cybertron: Part 4}}

During the war, Ironhide ran training missions for the younger Autobot recruits. These missions would often have the recruits thrown into the sharp end: one, involving [[Signal Flare (Movie)|Signal Flare]], [[Strongarm (Movie)|Strongarm]] and [[Skyblast (Movie)|Skyblast]], abruptly turned into a raid on a [[Deserted Decepticon outpost|Decepticon base]] and rescuing [[Longview (Movie)|a prisoner]]. He also developed skills at resisting psychic interrogation techniques. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 5|Lost In Space 3: Ironhide}}

He would later be one of three Autobots who tried to prevent [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] from reaching the [[AllSpark#Live-action movie universe|AllSpark]]. They hadn't, however, expected for [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]] to be demented enough to set off a [[foldspace warhead]] at pointblank range - a weapon that warped everyone to different parts of the galaxy. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2|Prelude: Megatron}}

After spending some time planet-hopping, Ironhide detected [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]]'s homing signal and headed for it. En route, he was captured by an alien spacecraft, one that appeared to belong to immense entities that created the AllSpark and wanted it back. Ironhide, shrugging off a psychic probe, worked out these entities were an illusion - the ship was a derelict that had been salvaged by a group of aquatic aliens who wanted to find & exploit the AllSpark. Ironhide removed their ability to do so by taking the derelict's device that tracked down AllSpark energy. While he then went on his way, he was left wondering what race had originally owned this vessel and what their connection to the AllSpark was... {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 5|Lost In Space 3: Ironhide}}

[[File:Movie TitanTransformers6 Ironhide.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|[[War Machine|HERE'S MY SUNDAY BEST!!!]]]]
After meeting up with Ratchet, the two began searching for Jazz. They found he was the prisoner of a living, predatory planet; Ironhide reasoned with the planet to let their friend go (i.e. shot it repeatedly with his slag-off great cannon) and they took him back to Cybertron with them. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 6|Lost In Space Part 4: Jazz}}

Following the [[Mission City]] battle, he got into ''another'' battle with [[zombie]] Decepticons. Already injured and exhausted from the last fight, he almost fell before Ratchet found a solution. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 7|Starscream's Militia}}

[[File:Movie TitanTransformers8 ScorpieIronhide1.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|Ratchet was right. That tingles!]]
After that, he worked with a [[United States Marine Corps]] team to track down [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]]. The Decepticon led them into a trap and took control of Ironhide's motor functions, causing him to attack the humans. They attempted to fight back - oh, you know those sabot rounds that are supposed to harm Transformers? They had no effect. Luckily, one of the soldiers was able to sever Scorponok's connection before he killed them all, and Ironhide killed the Decepticon the old-fashioned way: ''brutally''. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 8|Scorpion Sting}}

[[File:Ironhidetwins KLUNNG.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|You may now kiss the bride.]]

Ironhide was later the commanding officer at the [[NEST]] base at Edwards [[United States Air Force|Air Force]] Base, [[California]]. To his intense annoyance, [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] had turned up, claiming to have a message for Optimus Prime and ''only'' him. Since they'd cried wolf before and Optimus was busy on another mission, Ironhide refused. So the twins ''ambushed him with piles of crates'' so they could reach NEST's ops room and send in a call. Ironhide hurt them for this.

He grew more frustrated when, after NEST picked up a Decepticon signal heading for [[Las Vegas]] and Ironhide headed up a strike team, the twins pleaded to come along. He bluntly stated they couldn't be trusted ''not'' to screw up the way they were going, and if they wanted his trust they'd have to earn it.

Once in Las Vegas, Ironhide led his team to capture [[Grindor (ROTF)|the Decepticon Grindor]]. The target used his rotors to blast cars at everyone, knocking Ironhide over, though the human soldiers under [[Dundee|Sergeant Dundee]] completed the mission. Then the twins turned up to earn his trust and show their skills! ...which caused Grindor to be accidentally freed. This time, seeming to notice his way of dealing with the twins wasn't helping matters, Ironhide calmly pointed out that they'd made a mistake, but so does everyone: the trick is to ''learn'' from them. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.3|Learning Curve}}

He had them sent to be trained by [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]], but didn't act on their claims of important info {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.4|New Tricks}} as he still doesn't trust them. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.5|Previously...}} Soon after that, they turned traitor ([[Soundwave (ROTF)|or so it seemed]]) and Ironhide worked with Optimus to capture them. When an anonymous tip-off came in that the twins were abducting [[Sam Witwicky]], Ironhide stated that the call seemed dodgy but they couldn't afford to not follow it up. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.6|Outlaw Blues}}

Later, after being alerted to the twins' position and while in a NEST carrier plane, Ironhide (with Sideswipe) watched the fugitives battle the very Decepticons they thought the twins had been aiding and abetting. With the plane unable to land, Ironhide continued to monitor the situation {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.7|Turnabout}} and would track the twins to the Decepticons' [[Mars (planet)|Phobos]] base. As a result, the Autobots cleared out a whole nest of [[Purple generic drone|drones]]. Finally realising that the twins ''had'' been innocent all along, Ironhide apologised to them and officially welcomed them into the Autobot's Earth division. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.8|Back-to-Back}}

[[File:Titan11 cleaningupHoist.jpg|left|upright=1.67|thumb|"I think we've [[Hoist (Movie)|made a mistake]] here."]]

After the Fallen's defeat, Ironhide led clean-up operations against the Decepticon stragglers on Earth. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.11|Spare Parts!}}

[[File:Titan17 ironhideUGH.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|[[Ironfist (disambiguation)|Iron's fist!]]]]

In one different mission, he, [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]], and [[William Lennox]] were investigating strange clearances in [[Peru]] alongside [[Redway|Doctor Redway]]'s ecological survey team. They found several statues of [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] in the jungle, while Ironhide was ''really'' eager to burn, but warned them the Decepticon was in the area. Ironhide identified blast damage as being caused by Starscream's Vulcan cannon, but before they could withdraw with the evidence the robot himself attack! Ironhide took him on, using his guns to clear the treeline and then engaging in hand-to-hand combat (and taking some major whacks to the face!), and eventually the Decepticon fled. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.17|The Kingdom of Starscream}}

As open battles were turning humans against the Transformers, Prime and Ironhide oversaw the creation of a secret covert unit that would monitor the Decepticons, wait for windows of opportunity out of the public eye, and then hit hard and fast. Ironhide was quite happy with the unit's performance, not knowing why Optimus was left disquiet about the tactics used.{{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.18|Shadow War}} When preparing for an assault on [[Bludgeon (ROTF)|Bludgeon]]'s base, Wheelie offered to help out. Unfotunately, Ironhide made the tragic mistake of declining the offer, as it lead to Wheelie turning on the Autobots. During the battle, Ironhide used himself as a human shield while Optimus and Bumblebee opened fire on [[Tankor (ROTF)|Tankor]] and [[Dead End (ROTF)|Dead End]]. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.20|Divided Loyalties}}

Sent on a mission with Ratchet, Ironhide confided in his companion that he would rather be on a suicide mission than where they were now—running public relations at an anti-[[Transformer|Cybertronian]] rally outside the [[Tech Museum of Innovation]]. After Ratchet's attempts to mollify the crowd failed, Ironhide tried his hand, but only managed to panic them further. Then, Starscream and Barricade arrived, and Ironhide boldly charged at them. Though he deftly disabled Barricade, Starscream threw a tanker truck at Ratchet and the humans. Ironhide body-slammed it out of the way and was promptly caught in the explosion. As the Decepticons prepared to finish him off, they were besieged by the protesters, who were now adamantly pro-Autobot. He was later well enough to request one of Castor's anti-Decepticon T-shirts. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 3.4|Automatic for the People}}

====Alternate timeline====
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In a [[Tyran 208.28 Gamma|divergent timeline]], the Decepticons succeeded at Mission City and conquered the United States. Ironhide was part of the Autobot resistance on [[Earth]] and was in contact with reinforcements from Cybertron. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 9|Twilight's Last Gleaming, Part: 1}} He and Ratchet were in a mission in Savannah, Georgia, the site of the Decepticon's [[cyberforming]] process. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 10|Twilight's Last Gleaming, Part: 2}} Using [[Payload (Movie)|Payload]] disguises, they sneaked in and Ironhide worked out how to destroy the facility and save the planet, only to find [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]] let them in to kill them! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 11|Twilight's Last Gleaming, Part: 3}} Ironhide got the slag kicked out of him until Ratchet saved him, {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 12|Twilight's Last Gleaming, Part: 4}} but he made up for it in keeping the Decepticons distracted while Ratchet finally took out the AllSpark. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 13|Twilight's Last Gleaming, Part: 5}}

He was stationed near a refugee shelter in Savannah following the liberation of America. When Decepticons attacked the shelter, a position with no strategic value, Ironhide suspected it was a trap—which it was, an attempt to keep the Autobots in a position where a manipulated [[NATO]] could kill them all. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 14|Aftermath Part 1}} Ironhide showed annoyance that the humans couldn't see the Autobots were just trying to help, and he replied with a curt "fine" when he was ordered not to return fire on any human tanks. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 15|Aftermath Part 2}}

Alongside [[Longarm (Movie)|Longarm]], he protected San Diego from a Decepticon raid, talking the younger Autobot through how to best drive off the attackers. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 16|Dark Spark}}

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When Optimus wanted [[Nucleon (substance)|Nucleon]] to be secretly brought from the long-dead Cybertron to Earth, Ironhide was the one chosen to lead the mission (Bumblebee, Arcee and Armorhide with him). Ironhide warned his team to be on their guard, trust nothing, and that they'd die if they got misty-eyed about being home. Soon after landing, they ran into [[Stockade (Movie)|Stockade]]'s Decepticons, and Ironhide was challenged to hand-to-hand combat to resolve the situation. The look on Ironhide's face as Stockade shrugged off his strongest blow was a joy to behold (but not for Ironhide cos he got battered). {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 17|Return to Cybertron: Part 1}}

[[File:StockadeVsIronhide.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|left|...Well, ''that's'' never happened before.]]
Ironhide absolutely refused to back down or surrender, leading to Stockade beating him up a few more times. When it became clear the Decepticons were going to use all the Nucleon to summon an alien entity into Cybertron's core, Ironhide decided to provide the "distraction" so the other Autobots could stop the plan: that distraction being to run over [[Divebomb (Movie)|Divebomb]] and smash into things, which ended when Stockade smashed him up one last time. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 18|Return to Cybertron: Part 2}}

When [[Unicron]] entered Cybertron's core and began reshaping the planet, Ironhide ordered Bumblebee to flee from falling rubble and not wait for him... and got squished. The other Autobots pulled him out, and he decided the only logical response to Unicron's invasion was to ''blow up the planet''. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 19|Return to Cybertron: Part 3}} Luckily, a newly arrived Optimus had a better plan: Cut off the Nucleon that Unicron was using to power his physical form. Ironhide was part of this mission and led the defensive action against Unicron's internal defender drones, but lost his mega-bazooka in the process. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 20|Return to Cybertron: Part 4}}

Upon returning to Earth and being fired on by Decepticons (who had seized Autobase and the six hundred square miles around it), he said he's the last guy to run from a firefight but they should... run from a firefight. He was both respectful of the fact the Autobots had not been around to stop the Decepticons and recognised the President was a blatant Decepticon slave. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 21|Hard Target}}

He was part of the raid to get [[Mikaela Banes]] back from the Decepticons, noting the Decepticons were letting them enter Savannah. His big contribution to the mission was to get thwacked by [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]]. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 22|The Decepticon Who Haunted Himself}}

Optimus and Ironhide both realised Allen would be used against them, and so two weeks before he ''was'', Ironhide covertly contatced [[Tom Banachek]] and set him up to identify ''every'' Decepticon cerebro-strip puppet in the US government. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 25|Revolution Part 3}} When it became clear Allen was going to order the Autobots off American soil, Ironhide headed off to do something ''mysteeeeerious'' with Bumblebee, which turned out to be setting things up so they could fake their own deaths. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 23|Revolution Part 1}} This gave the Autobots the freedom to rig up the means to forcibly exile the Decepticons on Cybertron, and once Banachek was done the Autobots returned to hit the [[Decepticon Heartland]].

Ironhide was in the spearhead, acting as Prime's second-in-command and having his dialogue stolen by [[Strongarm (Movie)|Strongarm]]. He forcibly teleported Starscream to Cybertron, helping finally win a lasting peace for Earth. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 25|Revolution Part 3}}

====Law and Disorder====
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[[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] was meant to be a solo letters page host, but Ironhide forcibly took co-ownership of the section. He spends his time undermining and dissing Barricade. Particularly, he used to seem focused on the fact Barricade was beaten by Bumblebee, viewing this as laughable and Bumblebee as a weak fighter (#2). ([[:File:Titan17 Bumblebeehandlesthis.jpg|Maybe he's trying to cover something...]]) He later began to admit Bumblebee is hardcore (#3, #7), and started switching tactics to taunting Barricade for his absence from the new video games (#4, #12) and the awesome popularity of [[Live-action film series|the Autobot propaganda films]]. (#5) He did try once to get on with Barricade but the Decepticon was having none of it. (#6)

While he's happy to dish it, he's not so happy when the Decepticon wins out. When a [[Female Transformer]] wrote in and engaged in heavy flirting with Barricade, Ironhide got grumpy and abruptly decided that was all the letters they had time for and ran reader's photos instead. (#5) At other times, he's tried to shame readers for being too pro-Decepticon (#7, #8) and dissed their creative work. (#11, #12) He's even menaced ''[[Simon Furman|Furman himself]]'' into writing more pro-Autobot scripts! (#12)

From #9, he started offering Barricade the opportunity to defect to the Autobots. And he ''will not stop''. He's even admitted that the Decepticon has grown on him and he's becoming fond of him, something Barricade considers an act of psychological warfare. (#11)

Barricade likes and admires ''your'' anal-retentive knowledge of Transformers trivia! (#1) Very soon after announcing this, he turned against it (fans must've kept emailing him). (#7) Despite this, he often encourages and defends the younger Autobot fans, encouraging young kids to dress as Transformers and send in pictures; he's also a supporter of [[unofficial conventions|fan conventions]]! (#7) We're not just his fans, we're his "biological insurgents"! (#9)

Ironhide is in talk with some producers about the third film being focused on ''him'', but is disgruntled that they're insisting on Bumblebee being in it as his sidekick. (#8)

He's a big fan of video games, especially the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)|Xbox 360 ROTF game]] (#4) and ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (games)|War for Cybertron]]'' (#12), and always loves playing against people in multiplayer! (#4)(#7) His other favourite things are [[Michael Bay]]'s explosive directing style (#5), and both heavy metal music and DJ Shadow. (#7) He also admires [[Batman]] cos his car has ''lots'' of weapons (#2).

Details about his past have been revealed: When Ironhide was four years old, he lived in [[Tyger Pax]] and assembled his first high yield plasma accelerator. He was often told off for hanging around the primary heat exchangers downtown. (#7) He's encountered the [[Combaticon (ROTF)|Combaticons]] before, along with Optimus, and warns readers to be careful around them! (#3) He has some awareness of [[Unicron]] too, describing him as being "as mad as his mouth is big, so pretty mad". (#6) More surprisingly, he was once active in the ''1980s'', [[Starscream (Movie)#Star Screams|similar to Starscream]], when he took the form of a [[Ironhide (G1)/toys|red version of Ratchet]]. He fought Barricade during this time, and still has disgust for mullets. (#12)

[[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]] annoys him. A ''lot''. (#9) Enough so that, upon hearing the punishment given to Decepticons who defect, he pleaded with Barricade to send someone to "collect" Wheelie... (#10)

Sometimes, he wistfully wonders what it must be like to have [[relatives|a son]]... (#10)

===Novels===
====''Ghosts of Yesterday''====
During their long search for the AllSpark, the crew of the ''[[Ark (Movie)|Ark]]'' encountered a strange ship in an abandoned star system. Ironhide identified it as Decepticon, but on second glance wasn't so sure. Though he was all in favor of destroying the mystery craft in case it was a Decepticon trap, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] disagreed, believing it to be of alien construction. As [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] followed the ship down to a planet, Ironhide appeared to express concern for his fellow, though he later dismissed this as not wanting their numbers depleted. Ironhide and [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]] backed up Optimus when the Decepticons sprang an attack on them, though Ironhide was growing increasingly uncomfortable with the passive tactics they were employing. He and Jazz ejected [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]] from the ''Ark''{{'}}s hangar. After the fight, Optimus departed to help Bumblebee, and left Ironhide in charge.

During a subsequent Decepticon attack, Ironhide and Jazz employed a new plan wherein Jazz distracted the foe, and Ironhide attempted to approach the ''[[Nemesis (Movie)|Nemesis]]'' from a sensor blind-spot. The plan might have succeeded had [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] not chosen that moment to return from the nearby planet. Jazz was badly damaged as a result, and Ironhide had to work with [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] to return them both safely to the ''Ark''. The return of Optimus and Bumblebee meant another battle, and Ironhide was matched up against Bonecrusher. He managed to avoid getting hit for the most part, though he did suffer some damage to his armor. Following the Decepticon retreat, and Optimus's news that [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] and possibly the AllSpark were located on Earth, Ironhide opined that Starscream would be reluctant to go there because he wanted Megatron to stay lost. {{storylink|Transformers: Ghosts of Yesterday|Ghosts of Yesterday}}

====''The Veiled Threat''====
{{Note|The events of ''The Veiled Threat'' take place during [[IDW Publishing]]'s ''[[Transformers: Alliance|Alliance]]'' comic.}}

During a trip back to Diego Garcia, Ironhide's ship was stopped by Somali pirates. Although the crew could have taken them, they decided to let Ironhide handle it. Transforming into [[robot mode]], Ironhide instructed the pirates to "walk the plank". Most of the pirates opted to instead jump off the ship at running speed.

Following reports that Starscream was operating in [[Zambia]], Ironhide accompanied Optimus, Ratchet, [[Salvage (Movie)|Salvage]], and [[Beachbreak]] to Africa with Captain Lennox, Sergeant Epps, [[Petr Andronov]], and [[Kaminari Ishihara]]. They confronted [[Macerator (ROTF)|Macerator]], [[Dropkick (Movie)|Dropkick]], and [[Payload (Movie)|Payload]] on the Zambezi, where the Decepticons fought in the river, pulling the Autobots downstream. Optimus nearly fell over the falls, but was saved by Beackbreak, at the cost of his life. Ironhide got some payback at a dam down the river, which the Decepticons were trying to destroy. Macerator was killed and Payload swept away when they opened the flood gates rather than allow him to destroy the dam, but Ironhide was forced to let Dropkick escape since he was heading toward the humans.

Following this, two separate signals of Decepticon activity were detected, in [[Peru]] and the [[Australia]]n outback. Ironhide accompanied Optimus, Salvage, Lennox, and Kaminara to Australia. As they reached the outback close to dark, they decided to begin searching in the day, with Lennox taking Ironhide's cab, a situation the old Autobot preferred, as he would have turned one of his lesser weapons on Kami's music devices (stop looking at him like that, he wouldn't have hurt her). The next day, Lennox realized that the Decepticons were interested in the two regions because of energy sources, uranium in Australia's case, and Lennox theorized that it might the Decepticons might hope to use the energy to reactivate a depleted Spark. Considering the situation, Ironhide conceded that a spark could be restored via a focused energy blast, but doubted that human resources could do the trick, and the individual in question would be only partially revived at best. Two days later, the NEST team discovered the [[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicon]]s [[Kickback (ROTF)|Kickback]], [[Tread]], and [[Trample]]. Ironhide wailed on Trample for a while before he grabbed Kami, but she used her weapon to disorient him and allow Ironhide to move in for the kill.

After their return to Diego Garcia, reports came in of [[Jolt (Movie)|Deadend]] and [[Swindle (Movie)|Swindle]] racing around in [[Rome]]. Ironhide went along as part of the NEST team, but found himself unable to enter the narrower streets that the two Decepticons were using to get around. Though [[Knock Out (ROTF)|Knockout]] managed to deal with the two cars on his own, Starscream arrived and challenged Prime to one-on-one combat. It was a ruse to lure Optimus into a trap, leaving Ironhide, Ratchet and Knockout to fight Starscream themselves. They managed to hold their own against the much larger Decepticon, largely thanks to Ironhide's might, until Optimus got free of the trap and joined them, at which point Starscream fled. {{storylink|Transformers: The Veiled Threat|The Veiled Threat}}

====''Classified'' novels====
Ironhide took part in several [[Battle of Polyhex|battles]] in [[Polyhex]] with Optimus Prime during the war.

On [[Earth]], he and Optimus later used the same tactics while dealing with a trio of Decepticons who attacked the [[Nevada Test and Training Range]]. Also he killed [[Tracer (Classified)|Tracer]] by shooting the Decepticon in the face. Afterwards, Ironhide wondered if the humans might give them medals, but Optimus revealed that the trio had been communicating with an unidentified third party. Ironhide was annoyed when the humans later kept them out of the loop. Optimus and Ironhide later traveled to [[Hawthorne Army Depot]], where [[Reverb (ROTF)|Reverb]] had uncovered an ancient cache of weapons, including a personal [[force field]]. This made it difficult for Ironhide to use his guns on the Decepticon, and even trying to punch Reverb resulted in Ironhide being knocked backwards and being hit by Reverb's sonic cannon. He was too injured to do much for the rest of the battle, though a missile he later fired proved that Reverb's force field had failed. {{storylink|Transformers Classified: Switching Gears|Switching Gears}}

Ironhide was back up to fighting strength a month later, and helped [[Hyperdynamix]] test their new prototype tank, though he almost lost the battle with it. When Decepticons later attacked Hyperdynamix, he, Optimus and Ratchet went to defend the location, but had trouble locating the Decepticons in question. The game of hide and seek ended for Ironhide when he was sent by helicopter to [[Battle Mountain]] to pick up [[Gears (ROTF)|Gears]], [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] and [[Kevin Bowman]], who had left the base without permission. To his disappointment, he arrived back at Hyperdynamix to find the three attacking Decepticons had already been finished off. {{storylink|Transformers Classified: Battle Mountain|Battle Mountain}}

During a visit to Hyperdynamix Aerospace to learn about the [[Hyperdynamix Orbital Debris Disposal Initiative Station|HODDIS]] station intended to track incoming Cybertronians, and the satellite with which [[Alexander Porter|Dr. Porter]] intended to wipe out the Decepticons, incoming meteoroids were detected. Optimus, Ironhide and Ratchet and his team went to the crash site in [[Idaho]], and found themselves having to fight the giant robot centipedes which came out of the meteoroids. Dubbing them "[[robo-pede]]s", Ironhide teamed up with Ratchet to take down two of them before they could reach a human town, and had to follow one into a lake to catch it. {{storylink|Transformers Classified: Satellite of Doom|Satellite of Doom}}

===Toy bios===
Even before the war began, Ironhide loved weapons. Nothing made him happier than travelling to some remote asteroid field where he could let loose and blast rocks to his spark's content. These days, Ironhide's targets are all mobile, and the length of the war has started to take the fun out of heavy weaponry for him. {{storylink|Ironhide (Movie)/toys#Titanium Series|Titanium Series Ironhide}} Nonetheless, he found time between fights to train Arcee in combat. {{storylink|Arcee (Movie)#Scout Class toys|Arcee (Scout)}}

Just before coming to Earth, Jazz was badly hurt in a battle with Brawl. As part of his recovery, Ironhide helped upgrade Jazz's endoskeleton reinforcements. {{storylink|Jazz (Movie)#Premium|Premium Series Jazz}}

When Ironhide got himself a new pulse cannon, he couldn't wait to test it out on the Decepticons. {{storylink|#Fast Action Battlers|Pulse Cannon Ironhide}} At some point, he had a knock-down, drag-out fight with Blackout, possibly in a desert. {{storylink|#Legends Class toys|Ironhide Vs Desert Blackout}}

With the war over, and infused with the power of the AllSpark, Ironhide felt like a young 'bot again and decided to spend his new spare time exploring Earth. Together with his new human friends, he's having the time of his life conquering the most challenging trails on the planet, from Death Valley to the darkest Amazon basin! {{storylink|#Voyager Class toys|Offroad Ironhide}} He does this with William Lennox, who he stays with; when the soldier's away, Ironhide watches his family for him. And he also gets to play with [[Sector Seven]] experimental weaponry! Yay peace! {{storylink|#Voyager Class toys|Premium Series Ironhide}}

During this relatively quiet period, Ironhide also began mentoring [[Landmine (Movie)|Landmine]] in the ways of battle. {{storylink|Landmine (Movie)|Landmine (Deluxe)}}

With Megatron dead, the Autobots are able to go on the offensive. Hunting down and killing Decepticons is the most fun Ironhide ever had! {{storylink|Ironhide (Movie)/toys#Voyager Class toys 2|''Revenge of the Fallen'' Voyager Ironhide}} As part of this mission, he got spiffy new red armor, making him far tougher. {{storylink|Ironhide (Movie)/toys#Fast Action Battlers 2|Cannon Force Ironhide}}

Ironhide took on specific missions against especially dangerous Decepticons, such as leading a team consisting of himself, Mudflap, and [[Swerve (Movie)|Swerve]] against the infamous and ferocious [[Sparkcrusher]] and [[Runamuck (ROTF)|Runamuck]] {{storylink|Straightaway Shootout}} and using stealth tactics to hunt down the murderous [[Bludgeon (ROTF)|Bludgeon]] in Southeast Asian jungles alongside [[Armorhide (Movie)|Armorhide]]. {{storylink|Ironhide (Movie)/toys#Recon|Recon Ironhide}} {{storylink|Armorhide (Movie)#Revenge of the Fallen|Armorhide (Deluxe)}}

Ironhide volunteered for a solo op against weapons specialist [[Hailstorm (TF 2010)|Hailstorm]], as the two used to belong to the same gun club on Cybertron. Knowing how dangerous Hailstorm is, he was eager to test ''his'' guns against him! {{storylink|Ironhide (Movie)/toys#Deluxe Class toys|''Hunt for the Decepticons'' Deluxe Ironhide}}

Somewhat disturbingly, Ironhide feels ''nothing'' matches the thrill of establishing a target lock, and the world slows down around him as he heads into battle. Part of him hopes he ''never'' runs out of Decepticons to kill... {{storylink|Ironhide (Movie)/toys#Robot Replicas|Robot Replicas Ironhide}}

Ironhide spent months training Skids on how to effectively handle himself in a fight. {{storylink|Skids (ROTF)#Cyberverse|Cyberverse Autobot Skids}}

===''Beast Wars Diorama Story''===
At some point, Ironhide and multiple Autobots and Decepticons traversed dimensions and found themselves on a different [[Earth]], in the distant past. They crossed paths with new Transformer factions, the [[Maximal]]s and the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s, who were engaged in a conflict called the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]]. A battle broke out between the four factions. The Autobots and the Decepticons eventually returned to their home dimension, leaving the Maximals and Predacons behind to settle the Beast Wars. {{storylink|Transformers: Beast Wars Diorama Story|Beast Wars Diorama Story}}

===''Mini Mayhem!''===
Sam asked Ironhide and [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] whether either of them ever thought of defeating [[The Fallen]] with water, him always being on fire and all. Ironhide responded that they had instead tried to "fight fire with fire" in the most literal sense, though the results were less than desirable. {{storylink|Mini Mayhem!}}

===''Cyber Missions''===
{{voiceactor|[[Bronco D. Jackson]] (English)|[[Germán Fabregat]] (Latin American-Spanish), [[Luiz Carlos Persy]] (Brazilian Portuguese)}}
[[File:Ironhide Cyber Missions.JPG‎|thumb|upright=1.67|left|About to get a fright.]]

While reviewing some [[Datatrax|data tracks]] with [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], an explosion was detected outside of [[NEST]] HQ. Ironhide told Bumblebee to lock down the most important data tracks while he went to investigate the explosion. As it turned out, it was [[Bludgeon (ROTF)|Bludgeon]], whom Ironhide had been hoping for a rematch. After a brief struggle, Bludgeon lured Ironhide into the jungle, and hit him with a tree. Bumblebee then contacted Ironhide (to inform him that Bludgeon was a feint to allow [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] to break into the base) but Ironhide told Bumblebee that this was between him and Bludgeon. {{storylink|Cyber Missions 1}} Optimus Prime, however, disagreed, and by morning, told Ironhide to not engage Bludgeon. The Decepticon made that difficult, but Ironhide eventually gained the upper hand, cornering him at a cliff. Deciding to extend the olive branch, Ironhide offered to ensure Bludgeon would receive amnesty if he joined the Autobots (and people say Ironhide is too aggressive). Bludgeon rejected the offer out of fear of Megatron's wrath and jumped off the cliff, escaping. {{storylink|Cyber Missions 2}}

Lost in the jungle, Ironhide stumbled onto a cave. There he was hypnotised by [[Mindwipe (ROTF)|Mindwipe]] and commanded to gather up the deposits of [[energon]] scattered around the cave floor. He remained that way until Optimus Prime was able to defeat Mindwipe, at which point he wondered what the heck had been going on. {{storylink|Cyber Missions 5}} Some time later, he took Bumblebee to train in some snowy wastes. While he was somewhat aggressive with his training methods, he suddenly stopped when he saw that they had almost crushed a flower growing in the snow. Bumblebee wondered what the fuss was, until Ironhide pointed out that the flower was giving off sentient life readings, and swore the smaller bot to secrecy, as the revelation might have weirded out the humans. {{storylink|Cyber Missions 8}}

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While speeding down [[Interstate 95]], Ironhide was pulled over by a police car. He was just contemplating Optimus's reaction to him having been pulled over by the Earth authorities, when he realised that he'd been ambushed by [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] and [[Lockdown (ROTF)|Lockdown]]. While he was holding them at bay with his bravado, Lockdown grabbed the missile right out of his launcher, only for the missile to explode and knock the Decepticon down. Ironhide followed this up by picking up a nearby dump truck and emptying its contents on Barricade, before chasing the two Decepticons off. {{storylink|Cyber Missions 11}}

Ironhide was one of the group of Autobots who went to aid Optimus Prime in a remote area of the [[Arctic]]. They were intercepted by [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], but brought the Decepticon jet down and caught up with Optimus in time to see him letting [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] go. {{storylink|Cyber Missions 12}} Ironhide took part in a gambit to trap the Decepticons. As Optimus and Megatron fought, Ironhide, Ratchet and Bumblebee attacked the other Decepticons. Starscream tried to flee, but Ironhide fired on him, forcing the Decepticon to try and engage him in combat at ground level. Ironhide easily matched him for strength and, with the defeat of Megatron, the Decepticons fled. Bumblebee and Ironhide celebrated their victory as Optimus delivered yet another speech. {{storylink|Decepticons Attack}}
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===''I Can Read!'' books===
[[File:OptimusandIronhide-TrainingDay.jpeg|thumb|left|upright=1.1]]
Ironhide met up with Optimus, Sideswipe and Bumblebee in a desert to train. He and Optimus tackled a rough off-road trail, only for their training to be interrupted by a nearby dam bursting open. The two Autobots sealed up the dam using rocks from a nearby quarry. They met back up with Bumblebee and Sideswipe afterwards, who admitted to have encountered their own "natural disaster." The source of the disturbances soon revealed itself to be Megatron and Starscream tunneling underground. Though the two Decepticons attempted to ambush the Autobots, Ironhide and the others were able to send them running thanks to the training they had gone through that day. {{storylink|Training Day (book)|Training Day}}

[[File:ScalpelvsIronhide-RttR.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1]]
Ironhide and Ratchet encountered [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]], [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]] and [[Scalpel (ROTF)|Scalpel]] at a sea-side dock. Ratchet was able to hold off the Decepticons with an electrical discharge, allowing both Autobots to escape safely. Ironhide later helped the Autobots defeat the Decepticons in Egypt. {{storylink|Ratchet to the Rescue}}
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===''Hunt for the Decepticons'' storybooks===
[[File:SamwarnsAutobots-SatelliteMeltdown.jpeg|thumb|upright=1.1|right]]
Upon learning that [[Buzzsaw (ROTF)|Buzzsaw]] and [[Ratbat (ROTF)|Ratbat]] were causing trouble, Optimus ordered Ironhide and the rest of the Autobots to roll out to face the Decepticons. Thanks to Soundwave's tampering with their communications, however, the Autobots arrived at an abandonned warehouse instead of where the trouble was taking place. Thankfully, Sam and Bumblebee met with the Autobots, and led them to the correct location. The Decepticons were defeated and the Autobots cheered Sam for his help in the mission. {{storylink|Satellite Meltdown}}

===''Spot the 'Bots''===
Ironhide and a group of other Autobots duked it out against the Decepticons in an old warehouse in a battle that would decide the fate of the Earth! {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Spot the 'Bots}}
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===''Unite for the Universe''===
Ironhide was aiding N.E.S.T. operatives dispose of the remains of fallen Decepticons by smelting them when [[Skystalker (ROTF)|Skystalker]] attacked the group. He was unable to stop the Decepticon from teleporting away with several Decepticon carcasses, though the humans were kept safe thanks to his efforts. {{storylink|Unite for the Universe issue 1|Unite for the Universe #1|Ambition Instigated}}

===Transformers Annual 2011===
When Decepticon activity was detected in [[Tokyo]], Ironhide headed there with Optimus, Sideswipe and Ratchet. Unfortunately for him, he was elsewhere in the city when all the fun occurred. {{storylink|Sam in Danger}}

==Games==
===''Transformers'' The Game (Console)===
{{voiceactor|[[Mark Ryan]] (English)|[[Patrice Melennec]] (French), [[Ángel Amorós]] (Castilian Spanish)}}

====Autobot campaign====
Ironhide arrived on Earth alongside the other Autobots upon Bumblebee's call. As [[Sector Seven]] forces closed in on them, Jazz was given the task of drawing the human authorities' attention away from the others. When Jazz soon found himself trapped by both human agents ''and'' Decepticons, Ironhide was sent to rescue him (without, Prime ordered him, another incident like that on [[Kyber-5]]), a task that ended with his tangling with a [[Mixmaster (Movie)|Mixmaster]] unit in a construction lot.

A brief aside with Optimus Prime during the rescue revealed Ironhide's actions may have resulted in the destruction of [[Kyber-5|a small planet]] at one point. Ironhide maintained that it was going to blow up ''anyway''.

In [[Mission City]], Ironhide once again was called to the rescue, as Bumblebee was trapped by a massive swarm of [[Energon drone]]s activated by the [[AllSpark#Live-action movie universe|AllSpark]]. Ironhide waded into the thick of them and destroyed every last one. Shortly afterwards, he responded to Jazz's S.O.S. call, but was too late; the warrior had been killed by [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]]. Enraged, Ironhide engaged the tank, smashing through the backup drone-units before finally taking on Brawl himself. {{storylink|Transformers The Game (console)|Transformers The Game (console)}}

====Decepticon campaign====
As the Decepticons closed in on the AllSpark within Mission City, [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]] was tasked with bringing down the mighty Ironhide. Ironhide's powerful cannons, force shielding and hordes of backup drones made this fight ''incredibly'' difficult for Blackout, but the mammoth Decepticon was finally able to take Ironhide out. {{storylink|Transformers The Game (console)|Transformers The Game (console)}}

===''Transformers: The Game'' (PSP)===
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===Transformers Autobots===
Ironhide served as a mentor to the young [[Create-A-Bot (Autobot)|Create-A-Bot]] as he learned the ropes on Earth. He was a bit annoyed by the kid's spunk, but knew he had a good Spark deep down. He later accompanied him to the Arctic to find Megatron, but discovered that the Decepticon leader had been moved elsewhere. On their way out of the region, they were attacked by Starscream, but the old war horse was able to fend him off.

In Tranquility, Ironhide met up with his leader and the rest of the team, and laid low until Optimus summoned them. After revealing Sector Seven's custody of both Megatron and the AllSpark, Bumblebee was sent to create a distraction so the group could escape. However, the rookie ended up getting Bumblebee caught by trying to show off. Ironhide scolded him, but was enraged to learn that Optimus decided to leave Bumblebee behind in favor of the AllSpark. Ironhide blew up at his leader, claiming that Optimus only cared about killing his brother, a belief he'd apparently been bottling up for some time. Jazz coldly told him to leave, and Ironhide eventually joined the group on their way to Hoover Dam.

When Bumblebee was eventually found, Ironhide apologized for his attack on his leader. However, before he could finish, Optimus reassured him that no harm was done between the two old friends. When Megatron was released and the Decepticons set about to bomb the dam, Ironhide was able to halt the scheme and headed for Tranquility. In the ensuing city-wide battle, Ironhide fought off countless Decepticons with the help of the rookie, who himself fell in battle defeating Megatron. Ironhide joined the other Autobots in solidarity as Optimus called out for more to join them on Earth.

{{storylink|Transformers Autobots/Decepticons}}

===Transformers Decepticons===
Ironhide took part in the battle for Tranquility when Megatron stormed it for the AllSpark, and ran into his old nemesis Brawl. Despite his best efforts, Ironhide ultimately died defending the city.

{{storylink|Transformers Autobots/Decepticons}}

===AllSpark Wars===
After the first battle with the Decepticons on Earth, Ironhide and the other Autobots went into stasis lock, held in storage around the world. {{storylink|AllSpark Wars}}

===Allspark Highway===
The Autobots obtained the AllSpark, and needed to bring it to a secure location. Relaying it to one another, Ironhide being the third link in the chain, the Autobots kept the AllSpark out of Decepticon hands until the evil robots simply gave up the chase. {{storylink|Allspark Highway}}
===''Transformers Video Mash-Up''===
{{note|Various short clips featuring Ironhide were available for users to custom-create their own short film about the Transformers.}} {{storylink|Transformers Video Mash-Up}}

===Autobot Stronghold===
The Decepticons were invading an Autobot stronghold in the city, and Ironhide and the Autobots placed themselves at key positions to defend it from attack. {{storylink|Autobot Stronghold}}

===''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen'' - The Game===
{{voiceactor|[[Jess Harnell]] (English)|[[Patrice Melennec]] (French), [[Ángel Amorós]] (Castilian Spanish)}}

====Xbox 360/Sony PS3/PC====
=====Autobot campaign=====
Ironhide was the Autobots' heavy weapons specialist, armed with dual pulse cannons firing shotgun-like energy bursts, and proximity grenade launchers. He could deploy missile turrets for added firepower.

Ironhide oversaw both [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] and [[Breakaway (ROTF)|Breakaway]]'s training in Tranquility, near [[Colin Banes|Mikaela's father's]] garage.

When [[Robert Epps|Sergeant Epps]] detected the presence of [[Stunticon (ROTF)|Stunticons]] in Shanghai, NEST deployed Ironhide to take them out. After fighting through numerous drones, their leader [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]] appeared, leading the Ironhide in a pursuit through the winding back alleys of the city. Finally, the Decepticon was cornered on the roof of an apartment building, and with one mighty punch, Ironhide sent Sideways to the ground. Unfortunately, Ironhide was soon jumped by the [[Combaticon (ROTF)|Combaticons]] and [[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]] at the nearby spiral freeway and had to wait for Ratchet to rescue him. After being repaired, Ironhide returned to the spiral freeway and paid back Long Haul for his earlier defeat.

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{{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)|Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)}}

=====Decepticon Campaign=====
After taking care of Sideways, Ironhide was sent to defend the spiral freeway to help the NEST units under attack by Long Haul. After a ferocious battle, Long Haul got the best of him. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)|Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)}}

====Wii/PS2====
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{{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Wii/PS2)}}

====PSP====
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===Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Autobots/Decepticons===
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{{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen: Autobots/Decepticons}}

===Transformers RPMs: Devastator's Demise===
[[File:Devastatorsdemise ironhide.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.1]]
Ironhide was slow, but he made up for it in muscle. His 4x4 grip on the road was unequaled.

In order to defeat [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]], Bumblebee, Optimus and Ironhide drove through Cairo and avoided obstacles. {{storylink|Transformers RPMs: Devastator's Demise}}
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===Hunt for the Decepticons===
Once [[you]] were welcomed into the Autobots, Ironhide trained you in order to improve your strength, in order to prepare you for your fight with Megatron. Once the Decepticon tyrant was defeated, Ironhide and the rest of the Autobots thanked you for your contribution to the Autobot cause. {{storylink|Hunt for the Decepticons}}

===StrikeZone Showdown===
Ironhide, Ratchet and Bumblebee faced off against Megatron, Lockdown and Bludgeon in the middle of a forest in a battle to the death. Ironhide would launch missiles in high arcs to defeat his opponents. {{storylink|Transformers StrikeZone Showdown|StrikeZone Showdown}}

===''Web Wars''===
Ironhide battled the Decepticons across the digital frontier, defending numerous websites across the internet from their encroachment! {{storylink|Web Wars}}

===''Transformers: Dark of the Moon'' - The Game===
{{voiceactor|[[Jess Harnell]] (English)|[[Pascal Casanova]] (French), [[Ángel Amorós]] (Castilian Spanish)}}

====(Xbox 360/PS3)====
[[File:Ironhide, Ratchet and Optimus.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.67]]
After [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] succeeded in planting a virus into the Decepticon's network, [[NEST]] major [[Reynolds]] picked up an attack on Detroit which was reported to [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]]. Ironhide was contacted and ordered to go in and assist in the evacuation effort (which would involve killing lots of Decepticons). Ironhide arrived and, as he transformed, Optimus ordered him to destroy all Decepticons with minimal environmental damage much to Ironhide's disappointment. Ironhide met up with [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] and pointed him in the right direction to the Decepticons. Ironhide went in to attack while Ratchet went to evacuate civilians. After fighting through many Decepticons, Ratchet sent out a distress call to Ironhide. Once Ironhide met up with Ratchet he discovered that the Decepticon, [[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]], had heavily damaged him. Ironhide managed to make Mixmaster fall through the floor and saved Ratchet. Ratchet then required self repair and had Ironhide cover him until the repairs were finished. Once Ratchet finished repairs, Ironhide was informed [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack]] would send a new version of Ironhide's [[Heavy Iron]] weapon to him. This Heavy Iron 2.0 would be able to penetrate Mixmaster's shield and destroy him.

[[File:Ironhide VS Mixmaster.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
Ironhide eventually found Mixmaster and, after a brief fight, managed to destroy him.

Much later, Starscream stole a piece of [[MechTech]] from a defeated [[Stratosphere]] and tried to use it as a new weapon for the Decepticon cause. Instead, the weapon contained a tracking system that allowed the Autobots to find the Decepticon hideout and launch a full-scale assault on it. While attacking the base, Ironhide managed to find Megatron and shot him, causing Megatron to go flying through a wall. Megatron survived and vowed that Ironhide would pay for his interference.

[[File:Ironhide and Ratchet.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.67]]
Ironhide assisted Ratchet in the evacuation of the wounded soldiers after the battle. They tried to get a fix on Optimus' location with no success, while at the same time failing to notice Megatron in his new vehicle mode leaving the base. Optimus however was fine but busy fighting [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] and his [[Driller]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (Xbox 360/PS3)|Dark of the Moon (Xbox 360/PS3)}}

====Autobots/Decepticons====
[[File:DOTMDS Ironhide.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]
Optimus Prime alerted Ironhide to the fact that [[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]] might be trying to bring the [[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicon]]s back online, but more importantly that [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] was hanging around a nearby industrial park. Ironhide headed for the industrial park and protected a bunch of buildings from the Decepticons. Some time later, Mirage contacted Ironhide to tell him that Lockdown had infiltrated the NEST base, and Ironhide was eventually able to chase the Decepticon down. When the Autobots tracked the Decepticons to [[Siberia]], Ironhide was selected to gain access to their base by shutting down the radar installations surrounding it. Once they got inside and worked out where Megatron was, Ironhide asked Optimus who he was taking in with him. Optimus opted to go in alone, and was overcome by Megatron and [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]], leading Ironhide to go in himself. Despite the Decepticons escaping, Optimus complemented Ironhide's skills as a warrior. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon: Autobots/Decepticons|Dark of the Moon: Autobots/Decepticons}}
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===''Transformers: Dark of the Moon'' (mobile game)===
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===''Cyberverse Battle Builder''===
Ironhide joined the rest of the Autobots in combating the Decepticons on battlefields on Earth, the Earth's Moon and on Cybertron. Sometimes there were many of him! {{storylink|Cyberverse Battle Builder}}

===''MechTech Weapons Challenge''===
When Bumblebee was sent off on missions to retrieve stolen MechTech weapons technology from the Decepticons, Ironhide could provide him with a plethora of weaponry to aid him in his trials. {{storylink|MechTech Weapons Challenge}}

===''Transformers: Age of Extinction'' (mobile game)===
Ironhide was one of the Autobots, who helped destroy the Decepticons on streets of Texas, Detroit and Chicago (Despite his death). He also get a red paintjob too.
{{storylink|Transformers: Age of Extinction (mobile game)}}

===''Transformers: The Ride – 3D''===
{{voiceactor|[[Jess Harnell]] (English)}}

To his distaste, Ironhide had to try to whip some new NEST recruits into shape, and lectured them on how inferior they were to Cybertronians. He made it clear that the NEST recruits would not defeat any Decepticon on their own; rather, Ironhide promised that as a unit, they would defeat the Decepticons... as long as they stopped bringing in churros, that is. He could later be seen firing on Devastator along with Ratchet.
{{storylink|Transformers: The Ride – 3D}}

===''Transformers: Forged to Fight''===
[[File:Ironhide-Forged-to-Fight.jpg|thumb|300px|Are you glad to see me alive and kicking?]]
Ironhide was one of the Autobots pulled from [[Live-action film series|his universe]] by the [[Quintesson]]s and forced to fight. He eventually joins the [[You|Commander]]. There are at least a few of him running around! As a Demolitions bot, his cannons tear enemies apart with Burning missiles that deal Obliterang amounts of Critical Damage. {{storylink|Transformers: Forged to Fight}}

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==Toys==
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==Merchandise==
{{main|Ironhide (Movie)/toys#Merchandise}}

==Notes==
[[File:MovieIronhidevsLost.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85|The crossover you never expected to see!]]

*In the initial draft of the [[Transformers (film)|first movie]], Ironhide was not present among the Autobot cast. However, he replaced female Autobot [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] in later drafts and the subsequent final script.
*According to his animation files in the [[Transformers The Game|video game]], his alternate mode was going to be a GMC Dually instead of a GMC Topkick.
*In an earlier draft of the 2007 movie called the ''Prime Directive'', while introducing him, Optimus Prime adds that Ironhide was forged in the Tri-Peninsular Torus states of [[Praxus]].
*In the first movie, Ironhide's guns ''alone'' have 10,000 CGI parts ''each''. Yet this was somehow passed over in the Academy Awards for {{w|The Golden Compass (film)|talking polar bears}}.
*Ironhide's robot CG model in the first movie sports the [[license plate]] "4PCI382" on his chest. Despite not being visible in the movie itself, the GMC Topkick car prop used as his [[alternate mode]] sports the same plate (registered in California in January), as seen in set photos. This appears to be a license plate reserved for Hollywood productions, as it was also used for the ''{{w|Lost (TV series)|Lost}}'' season 5 episode "[[wikia:lostpedia:The Little Prince|The Little Prince]]", for the car driven by minor character Dan Norton. The ''Transformers'' version of the license plate was later auctioned off.<ref name="auction plate">[http://www.yourprops.com/Ironhide-Screen-Used-License-Plate-original---screen-used-movie-props-Transformers--2007--prop-15186.html Ironhide license plate prop for auction, YourProps.com]</ref> Oddly enough, in ''Revenge of the Fallen'', Ironhide clearly sports ''no'' license plate in vehicle mode anymore, whereas on the [[Chicago]] set for ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]'', the GMC Topkick car prop sported a black plate with a [[NEST]] logo on it<ref name="chicago2">[http://www.seibertron.com/live-action-films/gallery.php?id=132&size=0&start=100 Dark of the Moon Chicago set (2)] at Seibertron.com.</ref>... yet his old "4PCI382" plate can still be seen on his [[robot mode]] chest in both movies.
*The GMC Topkick prop vehicle only has one vent on the right side above the front wheel well, however, Ironhide's CGI model sports one on either side of his chest. [[Industrial Light & Magic|ILM animators]] had stated in the "making of" featurette for the first film that some of the parts used on the robot modes were duplicated for symmetry even if the vehicle itself only has one of those parts present.
*Ironhide has a large scar covering most of the right side of his face, including his eye, which is kinda cool.
*Ironhide's movements throughout the films indicates that he walks and runs with a slight limp.
*Apparently, he's a bit of a fan of [[Batman]]. {{Storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.2|Dogfight!}}
*The [[NEST]] "Special Programs" logo on the first ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' Voyager class Ironhide's toy is based upon a shoulder patch on [[Graham]]'s uniform.
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*[[TakaraTomy]] marketing director, [[Masahiko Yamazaki]], has claimed that the Japanese version of ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers Animated]]'' takes place in the Movie continuity and that [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (renamed Ironhide in Japan) would actually ''be'' Movie Ironhide. Yamazaki's statement has come under some contradiction, as he also said that Bulkhead would have his "world view" altered in the dub to reflect Movie Ironhide's when, in fact, Japanese Bulkhead remains the same in personality as US Bulkhead. So whether Bulkhead actually ''is'' Ironhide in Japan remains uncertain at the moment.
*During Chapter Two of the ''Dark of the Moon'' video game, Ironhide's old cannons can be seen on his arms with battle damage, in following with his ejection of them during the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' film and implying he retrieved them.
*Ironhide is the basis for the non-toy character [[Nagoya Prime]].
*In ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction]]'', Ironhide is seen on the cards [[Harold Attinger]] pulls out early in the film, listed as deceased and having been last seen in Chicago. However, Ironhide was killed by Sentinel Prime in Washington, D.C., midway through ''Dark of the Moon'', and long before the final battle in Chicago.
*Ironhide's Cybertronian design in ''Bumblebee'' is heavily inspired by his Generation 1 [[Ironhide (G1)|namesake]].
*A Seibertron article on [[Jon Bailey]]'s experience shows that Bailey auditioned for Ironhide, meaning he was originally meant to speak in ''Bumblebee''.<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/bumblebee-movie-voice-actor-jon-bailey-talks-about-his-experience/42553/ Seibertron article Bailey's experience]</ref>

===Foreign names===
*''Czech:'' '''Železňák''' (first movie's first dub only) ("Iron guy")
*''Japanese:'' '''Ironhide''' (アイアンハイド ''Aianhaido'')
*''Hungarian:'' '''Acélfej''' ("Steelhead")
*''Mandarin:'' '''Tiěpí''' (Taiwan, 鐵皮, China, 铁皮, "Iron Hide")
*''Ukrainian:'' '''Staleshkir''' (Сталешкір, "Steelskin")

==References==
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[[Category:Age of Extinction Autobots]]
[[Category:Beast Wars Autobots]]
[[Category:Bumblebee Autobots]]
[[Category:Classified Autobots]]
[[Category:Cyber Missions characters]]
[[Category:Dark of the Moon Autobots]]
[[Category:Hall of Fame characters]]
[[Category:Letters page answerers]]
[[Category:Movie Autobots]]
[[Category:NEST]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen Autobots]]
[[Category:The Last Knight Autobots]]

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AutoTrooper2801: /* Quintessa? */

Uh, why is "Quintessa" listed as under "should not be confused with"? am I missing something? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:21, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Its a in-joke from DW's Micromasters
:Once again, X-BoB, please use your signature when you comment. Also, jokes should be clearly stated as such, including references, if included at all. This is an encyclopedia of Transformers-related information, and not the place for throwing jokes around. As you can see, people get confused when facts and humor are not made clearly distinct.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 17:38, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

::In fairness, the disambig does warn s NOT TO CONFUSE Astrotrain with Quintessa, so it's not like it's learing us wrong. :-) -[[User:150.253.70.55|150.253.70.55]] 17:51, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

:::And once the Astrotrain and Quintessa entries get further filling out, the gag will be explained. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

::::Which poor soul has to read Micromasters to do it? -[[User:71.37.253.98|71.37.253.98]] 02:21, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Should this be deleted? There are only two Astrotrains. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 00:02, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
:I'm inclined to think so. [[User:TVsGrady|TVsGrady]] 18:40, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
:: But Quintessa! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:51, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
:: Funny jab at Rufollo trumps mild rule. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:54, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

== Quintessa? ==

What? I just read both Astrotrain's and Quintessa's Pages and I still dont get it. If its something that someone just put in there for the sake of it like I suspect it is can I remove it please? ([[User:AutoTrooper2801|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801|talk]]) 14:18, 19 June 2023 (EDT))

Talk:Astrotrain (disambiguation)

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Talk:Astrotrain (G1)

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Another thing I'm missing, or just a typo? That the Quintessons have a planet called 'Astrotrain'? - [[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 08:24, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
: Sorry, I guess that's an old April Fools joke that got left. You see, there was this comic book series from Dreamwave called Micromasters, and the art was bad. Incomprehensible. So confusing this art was, that in a later letters page, they had to clarify that "That thing in the sky is not the Planet Quintessa, it is Astrotrain." So, uh, disambiguification link ahoy. Because it's hilarious. To me.
: Feel free to dispose of it now, if you wish. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:10, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
:: I think it's funny and should be kept... since once Astrotrain's entry is filled out, there should CERTAINLY be a note about Micromasters. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:38, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

HA! "Choo Choo Rocket." I approve. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:00, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

==Blitzwing and Astrotrain's fiction section orderings==
I think SFH moved the Marvel Comics section up front because I often move that section up front because issue 1 published before the animated series debuted. However, I need to make it more obvious (by which I mean, put it in writing, instead of just being something I do...) that this is only so cut-and-dry for the 1984 characters. The real rule I have in mind is to list first the continuity in which the characters debuted. For example, 1986 movie characters would have the movie listed first, rather than their Marvel Comics appearances, as the movie was the genesis of these folks. And, in the case of the Triple Changers, I'm fairly certain they would have shown up in the cartoon before they showed up in the comics. (For example, in the cartoon, two of the three are pre-movie characters, but in the comics they don't arrive until Megatron and Prime are long dead.) This means, of course, that for the vast majority of G1, which continuity to list first is not so terribly obvious. Use your best judgment. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:49, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
:Oh. My mistake. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 04:56, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
::No probs. It wasn't exactly spelled out anywhere. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:09, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

For what it's worth--

:Astrotrain
:First Cartoon Appearance
:Megatron's Master Plan pt2/Original Air Date: 10.15.1985
:First Marvel US Appearance
:Crater Critters/June, 1987

:Blitzwing
:First Cartoon Appearance
:Dinobot Island pt1/Original Air Date: 09.25.1985
:First Marvel US Appearance
:Crater Critters/June, 1987

And their Target: 2006 appearances would have been somewhere between September-October of 1986, so... yeah. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 05:16, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

== Puttin' the Train in Astrotrain ==

In his IDW appearances, has he used his train altmode yet? (I'm waiting for the trade to pick up Devastation.) [[User:JW|JW]] 15:20, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:He's a train in Devastation. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:36, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
::Gratzi beaucoup. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:::While I was an anonymous user I added full details for Astrotrain's locomotive mode in IDW after trawling through archives of the three major US locomotive manufacturers (Electro-Motive-Divison, General-Electric, Alco) to find a match. Someone then deleted it for no apparent reason. Since it's relevant and accurate info that I went to an effort to research, I've put those details back in. --[[User:Rbdavies86|Rbdavies86]] 07.59, 15 March 2008 (GMT)
::::The IDW fiction section is not the right place to put that sort of information. The main article body is usually for what they've done in fiction. I've rewritten it slightly and moved it down to trivia. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:17, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

== Pesky tailfin ==

On the original toy, is he supposed to have his tailfin folded up and tucked away, or folded out flat like overgrown pecs? The pic shows him both ways. [[User:JW|JW]] 13:48, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
:Yes. Seriously, it could go either way. The [http://www.botchthecrab.com/archive/decepticon/1985/astrotrain.jpg box art] and [http://www.botchthecrab.com/archive/instructions/decepticon/1985/instr_astrotrain.jpg instructions] indicate that the fin should be split as a chestplate. The fin gets tucked away early during the transformation to keep it out of the way. However, the original animation model (and thus his other fictional appearances) show it tucked away in robot mode. This should probably be a trivia note.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:21, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
::Actually the animation model (as well as Marvel profile) has the tailfin on his BACK in robot mode. Figure THAT one out - lol. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 17:23, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Per the note on the page, the animation model shows the fin tucked into his chest AND sticking out on his back.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:26, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

== hover? ==

Was Astrotrain ever a [[wikipedia:hovertrain|hovertrain]] (hover over the surface while in train mode)? -[[Special:Contributions/69.110.156.148|69.110.156.148]] 03:06, 22 May 2010 (EDT)
:Not that I've ever noticed. [[User:JW|JW]] 10:43, 20 July 2010 (EDT)

== War Within absence ==

I... think it's because Astrotrain only appeared in a roster list for the Predacons found in the trade paperback (like [[Grotusque#Dreamwave_comic_continuity|Grotusque]]). So, he doesn't actually appear in the story, but his membership is still noted for completion. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 04:01, 12 November 2011 (EST)
:Aha! That explains it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:06, 12 November 2011 (EST)
::I don't have the TPB myself, so somebody else will have to confirm. If my assumption is accurate, then it needs a reference or something. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 04:50, 12 November 2011 (EST)
::Isn't that Astrotrain behind Motormaster in [[:Image:Predaconstww.jpg|this image]], though? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 04:53, 12 November 2011 (EST)
:::Yes, so it is! I guess our appearances sections for some of the War Within issues need additions. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:02, 12 November 2011 (EST)
::::It's a general problem with old issue articles. People only put "major" characters in the FC section and sometimes relegated "cameos" to the notes section. It's part of the reason I'm going through all of the Marvel issues now. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 05:05, 12 November 2011 (EST)

== NASA stickers ==

The writeup for Astrotrain's original toy says that when Takara reissued him in 2004, they replaced the "NASA" stickers with "ASTR". I was going to include him on the [[NASA]] page, but I don't see any stickers saying "NASA" on [[:Image:G1Astrotrain toy.jpg|our toy image]] or the toy images on [http://www.tfu.info/1985/Decepticon/Astrotrain/astrotrain.htm tfu.info] or [http://shmax.com/part_details/1832 Shmax]. Did the original have any NASA specific stickers? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:33, 17 November 2011 (EST)
:Ah, scratch that, it was the Diaclone version that had the NASA stickers. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:05, 17 November 2011 (EST)
Abates, with all due respect, your wrong. There never was a diaclone astrotrain, he either was a transformer originated mold, or a diaclone mold not ever put in catalogs or retail.
[[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 08:51, 20 May 2018 (EDT)
:Correct, the NASA stickers were on the Takara release of Astrotrain, as it says on his toy page. I assume 7 years ago I stumbled on some wrong information. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:43, 21 May 2018 (EDT)

== Titans Return ==
Alright, so TR Astrotrain is officially confirmed now (thanks to Hasbro Australia), so I've taken the liberty of editing the article to add some info on his toy, as well as noting the toy on Sentinel's article and the Titan Master article. Just so you know that this isn't a leak. :p [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 20:58, 19 March 2016 (EDT)

== Quintessa? ==

What? I just read both Astrotrain's and Quintessa's Pages and I still dont get it. If its nothing can I remove it please? Edit: Wrong Talk Page sorry ([[User:AutoTrooper2801|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801|talk]]) 14:15, 19 June 2023 (EDT))

Talk:Astrotrain (G1)

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Another thing I'm missing, or just a typo? That the Quintessons have a planet called 'Astrotrain'? - [[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 08:24, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
: Sorry, I guess that's an old April Fools joke that got left. You see, there was this comic book series from Dreamwave called Micromasters, and the art was bad. Incomprehensible. So confusing this art was, that in a later letters page, they had to clarify that "That thing in the sky is not the Planet Quintessa, it is Astrotrain." So, uh, disambiguification link ahoy. Because it's hilarious. To me.
: Feel free to dispose of it now, if you wish. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:10, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
:: I think it's funny and should be kept... since once Astrotrain's entry is filled out, there should CERTAINLY be a note about Micromasters. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:38, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

HA! "Choo Choo Rocket." I approve. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:00, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

==Blitzwing and Astrotrain's fiction section orderings==
I think SFH moved the Marvel Comics section up front because I often move that section up front because issue 1 published before the animated series debuted. However, I need to make it more obvious (by which I mean, put it in writing, instead of just being something I do...) that this is only so cut-and-dry for the 1984 characters. The real rule I have in mind is to list first the continuity in which the characters debuted. For example, 1986 movie characters would have the movie listed first, rather than their Marvel Comics appearances, as the movie was the genesis of these folks. And, in the case of the Triple Changers, I'm fairly certain they would have shown up in the cartoon before they showed up in the comics. (For example, in the cartoon, two of the three are pre-movie characters, but in the comics they don't arrive until Megatron and Prime are long dead.) This means, of course, that for the vast majority of G1, which continuity to list first is not so terribly obvious. Use your best judgment. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:49, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
:Oh. My mistake. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 04:56, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
::No probs. It wasn't exactly spelled out anywhere. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:09, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

For what it's worth--

:Astrotrain
:First Cartoon Appearance
:Megatron's Master Plan pt2/Original Air Date: 10.15.1985
:First Marvel US Appearance
:Crater Critters/June, 1987

:Blitzwing
:First Cartoon Appearance
:Dinobot Island pt1/Original Air Date: 09.25.1985
:First Marvel US Appearance
:Crater Critters/June, 1987

And their Target: 2006 appearances would have been somewhere between September-October of 1986, so... yeah. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 05:16, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

== Puttin' the Train in Astrotrain ==

In his IDW appearances, has he used his train altmode yet? (I'm waiting for the trade to pick up Devastation.) [[User:JW|JW]] 15:20, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:He's a train in Devastation. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:36, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
::Gratzi beaucoup. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:::While I was an anonymous user I added full details for Astrotrain's locomotive mode in IDW after trawling through archives of the three major US locomotive manufacturers (Electro-Motive-Divison, General-Electric, Alco) to find a match. Someone then deleted it for no apparent reason. Since it's relevant and accurate info that I went to an effort to research, I've put those details back in. --[[User:Rbdavies86|Rbdavies86]] 07.59, 15 March 2008 (GMT)
::::The IDW fiction section is not the right place to put that sort of information. The main article body is usually for what they've done in fiction. I've rewritten it slightly and moved it down to trivia. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:17, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

== Pesky tailfin ==

On the original toy, is he supposed to have his tailfin folded up and tucked away, or folded out flat like overgrown pecs? The pic shows him both ways. [[User:JW|JW]] 13:48, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
:Yes. Seriously, it could go either way. The [http://www.botchthecrab.com/archive/decepticon/1985/astrotrain.jpg box art] and [http://www.botchthecrab.com/archive/instructions/decepticon/1985/instr_astrotrain.jpg instructions] indicate that the fin should be split as a chestplate. The fin gets tucked away early during the transformation to keep it out of the way. However, the original animation model (and thus his other fictional appearances) show it tucked away in robot mode. This should probably be a trivia note.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:21, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
::Actually the animation model (as well as Marvel profile) has the tailfin on his BACK in robot mode. Figure THAT one out - lol. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 17:23, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Per the note on the page, the animation model shows the fin tucked into his chest AND sticking out on his back.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:26, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

== hover? ==

Was Astrotrain ever a [[wikipedia:hovertrain|hovertrain]] (hover over the surface while in train mode)? -[[Special:Contributions/69.110.156.148|69.110.156.148]] 03:06, 22 May 2010 (EDT)
:Not that I've ever noticed. [[User:JW|JW]] 10:43, 20 July 2010 (EDT)

== War Within absence ==

I... think it's because Astrotrain only appeared in a roster list for the Predacons found in the trade paperback (like [[Grotusque#Dreamwave_comic_continuity|Grotusque]]). So, he doesn't actually appear in the story, but his membership is still noted for completion. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 04:01, 12 November 2011 (EST)
:Aha! That explains it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:06, 12 November 2011 (EST)
::I don't have the TPB myself, so somebody else will have to confirm. If my assumption is accurate, then it needs a reference or something. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 04:50, 12 November 2011 (EST)
::Isn't that Astrotrain behind Motormaster in [[:Image:Predaconstww.jpg|this image]], though? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 04:53, 12 November 2011 (EST)
:::Yes, so it is! I guess our appearances sections for some of the War Within issues need additions. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:02, 12 November 2011 (EST)
::::It's a general problem with old issue articles. People only put "major" characters in the FC section and sometimes relegated "cameos" to the notes section. It's part of the reason I'm going through all of the Marvel issues now. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 05:05, 12 November 2011 (EST)

== NASA stickers ==

The writeup for Astrotrain's original toy says that when Takara reissued him in 2004, they replaced the "NASA" stickers with "ASTR". I was going to include him on the [[NASA]] page, but I don't see any stickers saying "NASA" on [[:Image:G1Astrotrain toy.jpg|our toy image]] or the toy images on [http://www.tfu.info/1985/Decepticon/Astrotrain/astrotrain.htm tfu.info] or [http://shmax.com/part_details/1832 Shmax]. Did the original have any NASA specific stickers? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:33, 17 November 2011 (EST)
:Ah, scratch that, it was the Diaclone version that had the NASA stickers. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:05, 17 November 2011 (EST)
Abates, with all due respect, your wrong. There never was a diaclone astrotrain, he either was a transformer originated mold, or a diaclone mold not ever put in catalogs or retail.
[[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 08:51, 20 May 2018 (EDT)
:Correct, the NASA stickers were on the Takara release of Astrotrain, as it says on his toy page. I assume 7 years ago I stumbled on some wrong information. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:43, 21 May 2018 (EDT)

== Titans Return ==
Alright, so TR Astrotrain is officially confirmed now (thanks to Hasbro Australia), so I've taken the liberty of editing the article to add some info on his toy, as well as noting the toy on Sentinel's article and the Titan Master article. Just so you know that this isn't a leak. :p [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 20:58, 19 March 2016 (EDT)

== Quintessa? ==

What? I just read both Astrotrain's and Quintessa's Pages and I still dont get it. If its nothing can I remove it please? ([[User:AutoTrooper2801|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801|talk]]) 14:15, 19 June 2023 (EDT))

Quintesson Bailiff

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{{disambig2|the Quintesson type from Generation 1|the [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticon]] Bailiff from ''Cyberverse''|Biter}}
:''Quintesson Bailiffs are a type of [[Quintesson]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[File:Quintbailiff anime.jpg|300px|thumb]]

Guardians of the courtrooms on [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintessa]], the '''Quintesson Bailiffs''' are one of many types of evil [[Quintesson]]s.

==Fiction==
===''The Transformers'' cartoon===
During the time when the Quintessons controlled [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], a Bailiff, [[Quintesson Judge|Judge]] and [[Quintesson Executioner|Executioner]] were watching a gladiatorial match when one of the combatants attacked them. The Quintessons were all later forced to flee the planet after their [[Transformer|own creations]] rose up against them. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}}

During the Quintesson court sessions on [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintessa]], Bailiffs escorted prisoners from the cells to the courtroom before standing on platforms on either side of the accused. This was demonstrated for [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] and [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] when a pair of Bailiffs dragged [[Kranix (G1)|Kranix]] from the neighboring cell. The Bailiffs later fled along with the Judge after [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] turned the [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticon]]s against their masters. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}} After [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] and Kup were captured, a group of Bailiffs and an [[Allicon]] escorted them from the cells along with Judge [[Deliberata]]. They were overpowered by their own prisoners, who took Deliberata prisoner and headed for the courtroom. Two more Bailiffs there aimed their weapons at the escapees, however the Judges present solved the problem by sentencing both the prisoners and Deliberata to death. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 2}}

===Controverse===
Bailiffs guarded [[Primacron]] during his trial on [[Millaath]]. They were taken aback along with the presiding [[Quintesson Judge|Judge]], [[Adveraros]], when Primacron turned the tables on the Quintessons by taking control of their [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticons]]. {{storylink|Controverse}}

===''Generations Selects Special Comic''===
At least one Bailiff was trapped in a time warp for some time till he finally escaped with his brethren to [[Dinobot Island (G1)|Dinobot Island]], where they fought against the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] before retreating. {{storylink|Volcanicus comic 1}} The Bailiff served the Judge at the [[Mother Computer]] when the Quintessons worked to seize control of Earth's [[Angolmois Energy]]. They provided support for their [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcon]]s in the field by sending the [[Terrorbreaster]]. {{storylink|Abominus comic 1}} After the Judge turned on [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]], the human uploaded his mind into [[Neo Autobot X]], who defeated the Bailiff. {{storylink|Abominus comic 2}}
{{--}}

==Toys==
===''War for Cybertron Trilogy''===
[[File:WFCT-toy QuintessonBailiff.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Get your very own incorrectly colored exclusive variant!]]
*'''Quintesson Pit of Judgement''' (2020)
**''Accessories:'' Ax, mace, tail-sword
{{toydesigner|[[Ken Christiansen]] (concept artist), [[Mario Carreiro]] and [[AJ Piejko-Brown]] (packaging)}}

: The "Quintesson Bailiff" is a [[retool]]ing of the ''[[War for Cybertron: Earthrise]]'' Deluxe Class [[Allicon#Toys|Allicon]] with a new robot head, robot chest, upper beast head, and shoulders, transforming into a bipedal alligator-like thing. Along with the tail-sword, it comes with two new weapons, a double-bladed ax and a mace, which can connect to form the animation model's staff-thing.

: It also comes in a brownish-green deco based on a fan-colored character model [[:File:Quintbailiff anime.png|previously uploaded to the wiki]], which was based on a poor DVD master of the movie that [[Miscolorings based on the Generation 1 cartoon|misrepresented the Baliff's color scheme]].

: Because of how the new shoulders are shaped, the Baliff has more restricted outward arm movement than the Allicon in robot mode.

: This toy was only available in the "Quintesson Pit of Judgement" box set, along with redecos of the [[Quintesson Judge#Pit|Quintesson Judge]], [[Sharkticon (species)#War For Cybertron Trilogy|Sharkticon]], and brand-new mini-figures of the [[Quintesson Prosecutor#Toys|Quintesson Prosecutor]] and [[Kranix (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Kranix]]. It was available first for people who attended the Hasbro Fans Expo in [[Hong Kong]] and preordered the set. It was later made a [[Hasbro PulseCon 2020]] [[exclusive]] in the United States and Canada (except for Quebec), available to Premium members on [[September 23]] 2020, then opened up to all members on [[September 24|the 24th]], where it sold out, went to pre-orders for more, then sold out of pre-orders within a few short hours despite a (stated) 1-per-customer limit.{{--}}

===''Buzzworthy Bumblebee''===
[[File:TF-Legacy-Buzzworthy-Bumblebee-Quintesson-Trooper.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Ah, that's better.]]
*'''Troop Builder Multipack''' (4-pack, 2023)
**''Series:'' '''''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy: Evolution]]'''''
**''Accessories:'' Axe, mace, tail-sword, [[Allicon]] head

:One of four figures in the ''Buzzworthy Bumblebee'' "[[Army-building|Troop Builder]] Multipack", the Quintesson Trooper is a redeco of the ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' Quintesson Bailiff in a more cartoon-accurate color scheme, retaining that figure's accessories. Additionally, the Trooper also includes a copy of the ''Earthrise'' Allicon's head, with additional paint compared to the original release. While the multipack's packaging and instructions suggest optionally swapping this head onto the Quintesson Trooper to create a sort of Bailiff/Allicon hybrid, a savvy purchaser can instead substitute it onto an original ''Earthrise'' Allicon toy to give it a more cartoon-accurate head.

:The Troop Builder Multipack also included a [[Air Warrior#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Decepticon Seeker]], a [[Cybertronian (faction)#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|G2 Universe Cybertronian Trooper]], and an [[Autotrooper (Animated)#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Animated Universe Autotrooper]].
{{--}}
{{comingsoontoy}}

==Notes==
===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Rōban''' (牢番, "jailer"), '''eihei''' (衛兵, "guard")

[[Category:Generations Selects Quintessons]]
[[Category:Legacy characters]]
[[Category:Quintessons]]
[[Category:War for Cybertron Trilogy characters]]

Allicon

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{{disambig2|the Quintesson guards|the drone built from pieces of Optimus Prime|Alligaticon}}

[[File:Allicon model.jpg|thumb|500px]]
'''Allicons''' are another breed of the [[Quintesson]]s' enforcer units, often used as guards for more important members of the race. They are slightly smarter than the [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticons]], even capable of speech, but free will has been pretty thoroughly removed from their programming, to the point where they will malfunction if resisting a direct order.

They transform into bipedal, vaguely crocodilian creatures.

{{bigquote|Devour, enforce, and obey.|Allicon's ''Earthrise''<ref name="earthrise">[https://transformers.hasbro.com/en-us/brands/earthrise ''Earthrise'' website]</ref> motto}}

==Fiction==
===''The Transformers'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[Aron Kincaid]] (English, "The Killing Jar")|[[Reinhard Brock]] (German, "The Quintesson Journal"), [[Georges Atlas]] (European French, "The Killing Jar"), [[János Bácskai]] (Hungarian, second "The Movie" dub), [[Garcia Neto]] (Portuguese, "The Movie" TV dub), [[Paulo Flores]] (Portuguese, "The Quintesson Journal")}}

[[File:TFTM-Alliconsapproach.jpg|right|thumb|300px|You are required to buy this many ''Earthrise'' Allicons.]]

A group of Allicons intercepted [[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]] and [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] when the two Autobots were lost on [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintessa]]. Kup used the [[universal greeting]] and offered them [[energon goodie]]s, which made the Allicons friendly... until the goodies ran out. Oops. The Allicons subdued the two Autobots and took them to the Quintessons' court chambers, tossing them into the cell next to [[Kranix (G1)|Kranix]], muttering the Universal Greeting as they did. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}

{{note|The Allicons' involvement in these events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the storybook ''[[Transformers the Movie (Ladybird adaptation)|Transformers the Movie]]''.}}

[[File:Killing Jar Allicon beastmode.jpg|upright=1.1|left|thumb|The better to eat you with!]]
Some Allicons guarded [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]], Kup and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Spike]] to their trial after they were captured by the Quintessons during the [[Galactic Olympics]]. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1}}

A single Allicon later served as the guard for a Quintesson scientist who kidnapped [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]], [[Cyclonus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Cyclonus]], [[Marissa Faireborn]] and [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] in an attempt to find weaknesses in each prisoner's group. The ship got caught in an electron storm, and the Allicon steered the ship in the wrong direction attempting to pull free, which earned a slap from the scientist before it corrected and changed course. When the captives escaped, it dueled Wreck-Gar with a spear until the Quintesson's ship started being dragged into a [[black hole]]. The Allicon set the ship in reverse thrust to try and resist the gravity well, and activated a distress beacon in hopes that a passing ship might rescue them before the ship's thrusters lost power. When the Quintesson tried to flee in the only escape pod, the Allicon alerted them to the attempt and ran to the escape pod as well, but then froze up when the scientist ordered it to stop. That lockup cleared up as soon as Marissa ran for the pod, and the guard pulled her from Magnus's hands, wihch resulted in the pod launching with no-one inside. When the ship eventually fell into the black hole, they found themselves in a "negative universe", and the Allicon donated some of its parts to repair the engines and rocket back to their home universe through the "white hole". Finding thmselves in the middle of a stalemated skirmish between their various factions who had come to rescue them, the group agreed to simply part ways without further fighting, and the Allicon and its master went off on their own. {{storylink|The Killing Jar (episode)|The Killing Jar}}

An uncharacteristically intelligent Allicon once talked strategy with a judge-type Quintesson. {{storylink|The Quintesson Journal}}

====''Generations Selects Special Comic''====
Many Allicons went into dimensional exile with the Quintessons for decades until they returned through a time portal on [[Dinobot Island (G1)|Dinobot Island]] in [[2050]]. The Quintessons had their Allicons attack the Dinobots, but these minions failed. {{storylink|Volcanicus comic 1}} Later on, some Allicons were seen with the Sharkticons and Terrorcons attacking the [[Cybertron Alliance]] and [[Selector]]s. {{storylink|Abominus comic 1}}

===Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics===
{{noteukexclusive|Allicons}}
When [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintessa]] was threatened with destruction by the growing force of the time storm, the Quintessons activated the Trawler Project to find a new suitable homeworld to relocate to, by force if necessary. Allicon agents were sent out to many worlds to determine their suitability for colonization. But a freak cosmic storm diverted the message canister containing the results to the planet of [[Junkion (planet)|Junk]], where it was recovered by [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] and the [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]]s. Wreck-Gar was interrogated by the Quintessons, but provided no useful information. An Allicon led Wreck-Gar to his execution at the [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticon]] pits, but was overpowered by the Junkion and tossed into the pit himself. Wreck-Gar fought past a number of other Allicons before making his escape.

In the meantime, General [[Ghyrik]] led a fleet of Allicons and Quintessons to Earth for Plan B: the taking of [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]]!

Ghyrik and the Allicons breached the outer walls using Trident attack crafts, and a commando raid secured the city itself in a matter of minutes. An Allicon soon informed Ghyrik that Phase 2 was underway: the conquest of Cybertron. Other Allicons continued the pursuit of Wreck-Gar away from Quintessa, but he evaded them. Allicon shock troopers simultaneously ambushed the Decepticon forces on Cybertron and stole the [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]] from [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Rodimus Prime]] when he arrived at Autobot City. They pursued the now reduced Hot Rod and [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] while working to crush the Autobot reinforcements at the City. Hot Rod managed to turn the tide by releasing [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]'s [[Autobot Mini-Cassette|Mini-Cassette]]s and reactivating [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] from deep within Autobot City's core. Meanwhile, the Decepticons on Cybertron received a helping hand from [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Magnus]] and the Autobots. Magnus saved [[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]]'s life when an Allicon nearly shot him in the back, and the battle turned against the Quintesson forces on both planets. Metroplex swatted the Allicons like flies, and the united Cybertronians drove off the other Quintesson invaders from their homeworld. {{storylink|Space Pirates!}}

===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
{{Unreleased WW comic}}

Following [[Flash (G1)|Flash]]'s teleportation to [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintessa]] during the [[Age of Internment]], he encountered a mob of Sharkticons and Allicons, but managed to evade them by taking shelter in a Quintesson Citadel. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.4}}

Allicons and Sharkticons stood guard on Quintessa while the Quintessons detailed their plans for [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|Generation 1 issue 0|Generation 1 #0}}

===3H comics===
[[File:Wreckers Mutants.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
A school of Sharkticons and Allicons devoured the [[Mutant (BW)|Beast Mutant]]s when they arrived on Quintessa. {{storylink|Betrayal}}

Allicon troopers were involved in the invasion of Cybertron by the Quintessons set shortly after the techno-organic wave reformatted the planet's surface. It had all been part of a plot by the Quintessons through the [[Oracle (BM)|Oracle]], their private interface to the supercomputer, [[Vector Sigma]]. Little did they know that [[Primus]] had manipulated their plans to his own ends, advancing the evolution of his people. The Allicon troopers got more than they bargained for as the mechanical, bio-mechanical, and techno-organic denizens of Cybertron devastated the Quintesson invaders and secured their homeland for future generations. {{storylink|Wreckers: Finale Part II}}

===''Animated'' cartoon continuity===
[[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] considered [[Seaspray (Animated)|Seaspray]] on land to be clumsier than an one-legged Allicon. Nevertheless, Seaspray claimed to have destroyed hundreds of Allicons during the [[War of the Waves]] on [[Antilla]]. {{Storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|The AllSpark Almanac II}}

===''Transformers vs. G.I. Joe''===
The Quintessons sent hordes of Allicons to stop [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], [[Duke (G.I. Joe)|Duke]] and [[Snake-Eyes]] from escaping their trial, though they failed. {{storylink|Everybody Hates Metroplex}}

===Ask Vector Prime===
[[Vector Prime]], in response to a question about [[My Little Pony|Alicorns]], stated that Allicons are their own separate sub-species of Transformer similar to the Sharkticons, and that he is not aware of any other Transformer sharing an alt-mode with them. {{storylink|Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#May 25, 2015|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/05/25}}

===Swindle's Spiel===
[[Swindle, Swindle and Swindle]] had Allicons among their drones for sale. {{storylink|Source:Ask Vector Prime/Guest column#October 5, 2015|Swindle's Spiel, 2015/10/05}}

===''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' marketing material===
The [[Quintesson]]s were one of the few unforeseen dangers ahead of the Autobots and Decepticons in their race for the [[AllSpark]]. The Allicons' function was the Quintesson Guard. Their primary objective was to punish the judged, and their primary weapons were their giant jaws. The Allicons themselves were also one of the [[Quintesson Judge]]'s primary weapons. {{storylink|War for Cybertron: Earthrise|''Earthrise'' webpage}}<ref name="earthrise" />

==Toys==
===''War for Cybertron: Earthrise''===
[[File:TF-WFC-E-Deluxe-Quintesson-Allicon.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|It's either I bite your head off, or I stab you with this spear. Take your pick.]]
*'''Quintesson Allicon''' (Deluxe Class, [[2020]])
**''Hasbro ID Number'': '''WFC-E19'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''ER EX-07'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': [[August 29]], 2020
**''Accessories'': Spear, blade

:Released in the second wave of the ''[[War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Earthrise]]'' Deluxe Class lineup, this "Quintesson Allicon" converts into a humanoid crocodilian beast mode in 14 steps. He has two different weapons: a spear modeled after the one used in "[[The Killing Jar (episode)|The Killing Jar]]" that can also tab onto his back for storage, and a curved blade made from the inner part of his tail.

:In robot mode, this figure is relatively short for a Deluxe Class toy, but is very solidly built with only the backs of his legs being hollow. Those hollow areas allow the Allicon to compress his legs a decent amount, allowing him to assume a more hunched stance when transformed. On that note, he features an autotransformation gimmick: when transforming from alligator mode to robot mode, folding his alligator head and tail back will automatically cause his robot mode head to rise up into position. However, when converting from robot mode to alligator mode, his robot mode head must be pushed down into its storage position manually.

:The CG render of the beast mode is slightly mistransformed: the robot mode arms are not pegged into the figure's torso, which, in turn, tilts the beast mode arms outward. [[:File:ER-toy Allicon TakTom stock.jpg|Initial stock photos provided by TakaraTomy]] depicted the figure being partially cast with pink and light violet parts instead of shades of gray, but subsequent stock photos showed the figure in colors nearly identical to the ones seen in the render, with the only differences being the gray parts of the shins and the backplate being blue while the blue parts of the beast mode head and its teeth are tan instead. The final figure's color scheme is almost identical to the stock render, but with sand-colored teeth. Inexplicably, the render on the back of the box has been recolored to match the original TakaraTomy stock photos.

:Like most ''Earthrise'' toys, the inside of the back of the Allicon's package includes an exclusive clip-and-save piece of a larger star map, along with a translucent red "decoder". The Allicon's piece contains the labeled location of [[Gigantion|GIGANTION]]. Like most ''Earthrise'' figures from Wave 2, however, it is misprinted, and overlays the "decodable" red graphics from the map piece included with [[Hoist (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|''Earthrise'' Hoist]] on top of the details unique to the Allicon's piece.

:In Japan, the Quintesson Allicon was released as a [[TakaraTomy Mall]] exclusive. This mold was retooled to make the ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]'' [[Quintesson Bailiff#Toys|Quintesson Bailiff]].
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===''Buzzworthy Bumblebee''===
[[File:TF-Legacy-Buzzworthy-Bumblebee-Quintesson-Trooper.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|]]
*'''Troop Builder Multipack''' (4-pack, 2023)
**''Series:'' '''''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy: Evolution]]'''''
**''Accessories:'' Axe, mace, tail-sword, Allicon head

:One of four figures in the ''Buzzworthy Bumblebee'' "[[Army-building|Troop Builder]] Multipack", the Quintesson Trooper is a redeco of the ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' Quintesson Bailiff in a more cartoon-accurate color scheme, retaining that figure's accessories. Additionally, the Trooper also includes a copy of the ''Earthrise'' Allicon's head, with additional paint compared to the original release. While the multipack's packaging and instructions suggest optionally swapping this head onto the Quintesson Trooper to create a sort of Bailiff/Allicon hybrid, a savvy purchaser can instead substitute it onto an original ''Earthrise'' Allicon toy to give it a more cartoon-accurate head.

:The Troop Builder Multipack also included a [[Air Warrior#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Decepticon Seeker]], a [[Cybertronian (faction)#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|G2 Universe Cybertronian Trooper]], and an [[Autotrooper (Animated)#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Animated Universe Autotrooper]].
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{{comingsoontoy}}

==Notes==
[[File:Allicons.jpg|thumb|Okay, which one's Hawk and which one's Animal?]]
*The script for the movie originally called for the Allicons' scene to feature Sharkticons, but we got these critters instead. They were indeed Sharkticons in the first comic adaptation. Neither in this scene, nor in any of their reappearances during the series were they referred to by name—the script for "[[The Killing Jar (episode)|The Killing Jar]]" identified them only as "Quintesson Guards". Fans online had generally taken to calling them "Allicons", which was finally made [[canon]] in [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]]'s 2004 ''[[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More Than Meets The Eye]]'' series.
*Thanks to "The Killing Jar", an Allicon's [[beast mode]] was the first official use of the term "[[alternate mode]]".

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Guard''' (ガード ''Gādo''), '''Allicon''' (アリコン ''Arikon'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Èyú Jīng''' (鳄鱼精, "Alligator Demon")
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==Gallery==
<gallery>
File:Earthrise-Allicon-art.jpg|''Earthrise'' art
</gallery>

==References==
{{Reflist}}

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[[Category:Generation 1 cartoon species]]
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[[Category:Generations Selects Quintessons]]
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Autotrooper (Animated)

2023-06-19T12:43:15Z

AutoTrooper2801:

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:''The Autotroopers are an [[Autobot]] police force from the [[Animated continuity family]].''

[[Image:TFA_Autotrooper_model.jpg|right|thumb|250px|]]

The '''Autotroopers''' (aka '''Autobot Troopers''') are the police force responsible for safeguarding [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s streets. They wear the [[256-OZU-004]] body type.

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' continuity===
====''Animated'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Chris Ho]] (English)}}
{{Idw-tfa}}

[[Image:TFAni ThisIsWhyIHateMachines Autotroopers Decepticon.jpg|left|thumb|Cybertron doesn't look kindly on bad cosplayers.]]

A lone Autotrooper was one of the many Autobots there to celebrate the return of [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel "Magnus"]], who swore to take revenge on [[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]] for what he did to [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]]. {{storylink|Decepticon Air}}

More Autotroopers were shown apprehending "[[Hoist (Animated)|Decepticon fugitives]]" in a <s>propaganda film</s> [[public service announcement]] from Sentinel Prime. {{storylink|This Is Why I Hate Machines}}

''An Autotrooper rushed to [[Cheetor (Animated)|Cheetor's]] chaotic arrest of [[Ransack (Animated)|Ransack]] and [[Crumplezone (Animated)|Crumplezone]].'' {{storylink|Moving Violations}} ''Several Autotroopers were seen at the [[Metroplex (Animated)|Metroplex]] working for Cybertron Defense Command. They performed many duties including escorting trouble-makers from the stadium of [[The Motor Master]]'s Stunt Convoy, reporting dispatches to [[Sideswipe (Animated)|Sideswipe]], and assisting [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ironfist (Animated)|Ironfist]] with their [[Toxitron (Animated)|Toxitron]] camouflage.'' {{storylink|The Stunti-Con Job}}

====''Legends'' comic====
Autotroopers participated in the search for the fugitive Decepticon [[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]]. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 16|Bonus Edition Vol. 16}}

===''Kre-O'' cartoon===
Some Autobot Troopers joined in the celebrations after the Autobots foiled a Decepticon plan to make a grilled cheese sandwich. {{storylink|Quest for Energon, Part 2}}

===Precursor World===
Several [[Primus Vanguard|Warriors of the Seven Lights]] resembling Autotroopers were members of the [[White Order]] of the [[Primus Vanguard]].

One was a member of Order leader [[White Gallant Convoy]]'s retinue as they traveled to the Order's headquarters on the [[White Planet]].

Two more manned the telecommunications array inside as Gallant observed the struggles of the [[G1 World|extradimensional]] warriors [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Star Convoy]] and [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity#Generations Selects Special Comic (1)|Super Megatron]] on the [[Blue Planet (GS)|Blue Planet]]. {{storylink|God Neptune comic 2}}

==Toys==
===''Timelines''===
[[File:Timelinesautotrooperdeluxe.jpg|thumb|300px]]
*'''Autotrooper''' (Deluxe, [[BotCon 2011]] multipack)
**''Accessories:'' Left & right "shock paddles"

: The Autotroopers are [[redeco]]s and [[retool]]s of the ''[[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Animated]]'' [[Ratchet (Animated)#Cybertronian|Cybertronian Ratchet]]/[[Ironhide (Animated)#Toys|Ironhide]] mold, available only as a multipack souvenir at [[BotCon 2011]]. In addition to sporting a new head sculpt, the Autotroopers also wear unique Autobot emblems. Each comes with two "shock paddle" accessories which peg over his fists, and his right fist punches forward when a tab on his elbow is pushed. These "shock paddles" plug into the rear of his vehicle mode. The toy also comes with a Generation 1 style [[Tech Spec]]s-style [[bio]] that was written by [[Jim Sorenson]].

: This mold with this headsculpt was also used to make the BotCon 2011 attendee exclusive [[Ironfist (Animated)#Toys|Fisitron]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/BCAutotrooper/autotrooper.htm More information on the Autotrooper at TFU.info]''
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===''Kre-O''===
*'''Cycle Chase''' (Kreon, 2012)
**''Accessories'': Two small blasters, large rifle
[[Image:KreO-CycleChase.jpg|thumb|300px]]

: Part of the second series of ''Transformers [[Kre-O]]'' sets, a trio of [[Kreon]] Autobot Troopers are chasing [[Barricade (Kre-O)|Barricade]]. They are based on the [[Autotrooper (Animated)|Autotrooper]]s, and have varying appearances and clear-blue weapons. Two come with door and wing [[kibble]], and the door-winged Trooper wears a striped helmet and wields a big rifle, possibly denoting that he is of high [[Tech Spec|rank]]. They have redecos of [[Hound (Kre-O)|Hound]]'s helmet. They come with a road block.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Autobot/Kre-OAutobotTrooper/autobottrooper.htm More information on door Autobot Trooper at TFU.info]''
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Autobot/Kre-OAutobotTrooper2/autobottrooper.htm More information on winged Autobot Trooper at TFU.info]''
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Autobot/Kre-OAutobotTrooper3/autobottrooper.htm More information on bareback Autobot Trooper at TFU.info]''
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===''Buzzworthy Bumblebee''===
[[File:TF-Legacy-Buzzworthy-Bumblebee-Autotrooper.jpg|thumb|300px|Derrick would've had ''shelves'' of these guys.]]
*'''Troop Builder Multipack''' (4-pack, 2023)
**''Series:'' '''''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy: Evolution]]'''''
**''Accessories:'' blaster, alternate head

:A new-head [[retool]] of the ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege]]'' Deluxe class [[Ironhide (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Ironhide]] figure, "Animated Universe Autotrooper" transforms from robot to Cybertronian van and back. As a retool of Ironhide, Autotrooper's vehicle mode has several design cues taken from ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' [[Kup (G1)/toys#Titans Return|Sergeant Kup]]. Autotrooper includes a redeco of Ironhide's "W-35 LR Doomblast Forge Launcher," which is [[C.O.M.B.A.T. System]]-compatible and can convert into a large hammer. There are multiple hardpoints on the figure and their weapons to accomodate [[Fire Blast effect]] parts, which can be used to simulate blaster fire or explosions. Most intriguingly, however, Autotrooper also includes an alternate head based on the original ''[[Kiss Players (franchise)|Kiss Players]]'' [[Autorooper]] design, intended to be used with a second copy of the figure for [[troop-building]]. ''Neat?''

:Assuming it hasn't been fixed, Autotrooper shares the same production flaw as ''Siege'' Ironhide that causes the molded hinges on their legs to be too small to properly house the side panels from their vehicle mode, causing them to pop off at the slightest pressure. This can be resolved by removing the panels and using a small screwdriver to carefully widen the pegholes, which creates enough clearance to properly house the panels within the hinges.

:Autotrooper is one of four figures included in the Troop Builder Multipack, the others being [[Air Warrior#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Decepticon Seeker]], [[Quintesson Bailiff#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Quintesson Trooper]], and [[Cybertronian (faction)#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|G2 Universe Cybertronian Trooper]].
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{{comingsoontoy}}
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==Notes==
* The Autotroopers have a unique [[insignia]], making the Autobot symbol more badge-like.
* Chris Ho voiced the Autotroopers in "The Stunti-Con Job" script reading with an Irish accent.
*An ''Animated'' Autotrooper made an Easter-egg appearance in the Generation 1 continuity in ''[[Transformers: Deviations]]'' as one of the many victims of the [[Battle of Autobot City]] in an alternate version of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Autorooper''' (オートルーパー ''Ōtorūpā'')

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[[Category:White Order]]

Talk:Netflix

2023-06-16T13:51:27Z

AutoTrooper2801: /* Earthspark in Brazil */ new section

Is that the UN flag in the corner? What does the UN have to do with Netflix? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 16:26, 25 July 2018 (EDT)
:Looks like Cr85747 added it to illustrate "worldwide" status, which I didn't even know we had a designated corner insignia for that. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:48, 25 July 2018 (EDT)
::It doesn't make any sense for any number of reasons. Why would we need a faction symbol for "worldwide"? Why would it be the UN flag, and link to wikipedia's UN article? Why would it be on this article, when I'm pretty sure Netflix isn't actually available in ''every'' country in the world? (Netflix ''is'' available in Taiwan, which isn't a UN member.) --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:25, 25 July 2018 (EDT)

== Earthspark in Brazil ==

There are also 10 Episodes of Earthspark on Netflix in Brazil now ([[User:AutoTrooper2801|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801|talk]]) 09:51, 16 June 2023 (EDT))

Talk:Jones (disambiguation)

2023-05-30T20:40:31Z

AutoTrooper2801:

"CHAD "Kicker" Jones"? Where is that from? ([[User:AutoTrooper2801|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801|talk]]) 16:40, 30 May 2023 (EDT))

Talk:Jones (disambiguation)

2023-05-30T20:40:10Z

AutoTrooper2801:

"CHAD "Kicker" Jones"? Where is that from ([[User:AutoTrooper2801|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801|talk]]) 16:40, 30 May 2023 (EDT))

Talk:Jones (disambiguation)

2023-05-30T20:39:46Z

AutoTrooper2801: Created page with ""CHAD "Kicker" Jones"?"

"CHAD "Kicker" Jones"?

Talk:Gatoraider

2023-05-28T01:41:34Z

AutoTrooper2801: Created page with "If in IDW Krok named himself after his dead Pet does that mean that in IDW Gatoraider's name was Krok? (~~~~)"

If in IDW Krok named himself after his dead Pet does that mean that in IDW Gatoraider's name was Krok? ([[User:AutoTrooper2801|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801|talk]]) 21:41, 27 May 2023 (EDT))

Talk:Battle of Autobot City

2023-05-26T19:36:00Z

AutoTrooper2801: /* Beachcomber */ new section

''Springer to transform Autobot City (presumably into the robot mode of the giant Autobot Metroplex)''

I don't think there's any evidence of that parenthetical supposition. Is there? [[User:JW|JW]] 01:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

No, but some backwards reasoning suggests it: according to one of the alterations made after I created this page, the Decepticons' first strike probably took out Metroplex's transformation cog, preventing the Autobots from converting the city to robot mode. Personally I don't buy that explanation either, but given they did a TV episode on the subject later (referenced in the article on the cog) I was just retconning the article to reflect it.

Although I see the point you're probably making: to transform Autobot City into Metroplex might well have resulted in some injuries and deaths given a solid number of Autobots were inside the city when it would have gone to robot mode. (User 210.185.64.133 ... I am going to create an account, I swear...)

:Hmm, if Metroplex isn't mentioned in the actual movie, and the fact that his transformation cog was damaged is only mentioned in a followup episode, this should be mentioned in the article. E.g., "transform Autobot City (according to the later episode #foo, into the robot mode of the giant Autobot Metroplex)" or somesuch. [[User:JW|JW]] 13:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

==Outnumbered?==
I remmeber there being an awful lot of characters on both sides, but I haven't seen any definitive numbers. Do we have a complete list, so we can verify that the Autobots were outnumbered? Or is it stated in the dialogue? [[User:JW|JW]] 13:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:Springer claims they're outnumbered as Starscream strafe's Ultra Magnus' team. Decepticons had their 1984 crew, the coneheads, the Constructicons, the Insecticons, the Triple Changes and Reflector. Not counting the tape guys since they hadn't appeared yet when Springer made that announcement. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:57, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
:It's in the dialogue.
:'''Perceptor:''' Ultra Magnus -- an analysis of Decepticon capabilities indicates a distinct tactical deficiency.
:'''Ultra Magnus:''' In other words, Perceptor...?
:'''Springer:''' We're outnumbered!
:(Cue explosion from a Seeker than roars past, shooting.
(Me again. Still have to make myself an account...)

== Metroplex ==
Yes, you're correct Steve. [[Floro Dery]] has even gone so far as to say in interviews that he was not aware of Metroplex when making the movie designs for Autobot City. He of course tries to turn it around and say that his Autobot City designs ''inspired'' Metroplex (Which they likely did) but that he had to go with his secondary design as opposed to his primary design which was much better, capable of curing cancer, and could make angels weep openly.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 00:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
: This raises the question of whether the writers of FFoD were doing a retcon -- were trying to explicitly say that Springer's team were transforming Metroplex in the movie -- and they just didn't make it obvious enough. You also have to ask if it really counts as a retcon, since FFoD was the very next bit of animation to come out, and the same guy, Flint Dille, was story consultant on TFTM and the writer of FFoD. We're hanging on the very flimsy edge of "retcon" when one guy contributes to one story and then clarifies things in the next. So: If we think that Dille's authorial intent in FFoD was to say they were transforming Metroplex, we should mention that, with appropriate "apparnetly"s and "arguably"s. [[User:JW|JW]] 01:50, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
::It is definitely not ''my'' intent to say that Dille intended that. In the finished fiction, Autobot City and Metroplex are ''not the same thing''. Metroplex is, at most, a sentient, mobile "piece" of the city. Before catching up on wiki today, I had never in my life heard anyone claim that Springer and Arcee were trying to transform Metroplex manually despite his damaged cog, and I see no reason to make that speculation. Taking everything at face value, they initiated a clearly-automated sequence for converting the city into a battle fortress. Metroplex is later claimed to have been damaged, clumsily "explaining" why he didn't do anything despite apparently having existed (and not explaining why nobody mentioned him). --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 04:49, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
:::I defer to your judgment. [[User:JW|JW]] 13:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

plus Metroplex if in the movie should have said something like "oh crap i have been shot?" or something i think Autobot City was to damaged to repair and the Autobots used the parts to create Metroplex after the movie, the damaged cog was the one for the city that would have been given to Metroplex but was damaged. (MChase)

== Prime kill shot image ==
If that image that Zobovor removed, and then was reverted back in, actually was swiped from his site, then it probably shouldn't be here unless he okays it, being as it is not just a plain screenshot but an image put together from two shots. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:08, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think putting together two screenshots of a copyrighted work owned by Hasbro into one image really qualifies the image as "his". [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:46, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::No, but if it was taken from his website and he put them together, he should at least get some credit in the upload. He doesn't. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 23:49, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::It's still pretty rude to take it from his site without acknowledging where it was taken from, at the very least. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Fair enough. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:16, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== I Spy Smokescreen ==

While rewatching this battle again, I think I may have spotted Smokescreen's body lying where Wheeljack's body turns up a second later. Watch [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJcuCWllVeQ here] from 0:16-0:18, look in the far lefthand side at where Arcee is dragging Windcharger's body and behind her you'll see a dead bot that looks like Smokescreen, then at 0:28 it's replaced by Wheeljack's corpse. I could be wrong, but it does look kinda like him to me. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 22:14, 16 March 2010 (EDT)
:That's Wheeljack colored like Smokescreen. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:22, 16 March 2010 (EDT)
::While it is Wheeljack's model, I'm not entirely convinced it's in Smokescreen's colors. Here's an enlarged picture.

::[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/TFTMDeadJack.jpg Viola]. The purple legs makes me think it's just a made-up scheme... --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 22:25, 16 March 2010 (EDT)

:::Oooo, you're right. Closest match is probably Sideswipe. Hey, Pat Lee was right! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:43, 16 March 2010 (EDT)
Interesting. I just figured that it might've been Smokescreen due to the red torso and the fact that Smokescreen was supposed to be the corpse there instead of Wheeljack. But, animation error is as animation error does, I guess. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 11:07, 17 March 2010 (EDT)

==Known participants==
Any reason for removing it? I kind of like having it. Is there a downside?--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:34, 5 February 2011 (EST)
:I can foresee the inclusion of Lugnut being contentious, but if we have a note about why he's included on the list, I think it'd be all right. I'd like the list more if it was formatted using {{tl|featuredcharacters}} though. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:15, 10 February 2011 (EST)
:::''(Moved to page)''
::Like so! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:26, 10 February 2011 (EST)
::My bad. Out of reflex. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 03:42, 10 February 2011 (EST)
:::I'm okay with a list participants, but I prefer some extra focus on the dudes not originally part of the fight. Can they get an asterisk behind their name with a note below the list that either refers to the trivia section or gets the line from the trivia section? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 03:47, 10 February 2011 (EST)
::::I was thinking possibly a <ref> with the notes underneath. Shockwave may need one too, as he's an animation error, ISTR! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:54, 10 February 2011 (EST)
:::::Works for me! [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 04:05, 10 February 2011 (EST)

== Do the Decpticons that are reformated count as dead? ==

Megatron, Thundercracker, Skywarp, Insecticons, etc. are technically dead then turned into Galvatron, Scourge, & Cyclonus respectively.--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 18:12, 9 March 2015 (EDT)

they all remember who they use to be, in fact only Autobots died in this battle ALL Decepticons lived (they might have died later IF Starscream had not launched them into space for Unicron to find)[[User:Chasemarc1701|Chasemarc1701]] ([[User talk:Chasemarc1701|talk]]) 21:49, 25 August 2015 (EDT)

== Beachcomber ==

"Both a retroactive inclusion and a casualty. While Beachcomber's dead body is shown in the IDW adaptation of the movie, he is alive and well in "Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5", making this somewhat of an odd retrocative inclusion."
Except that that guy in the IDW Adaptation looks nothing like Beachcomber. Someone even mentioned this in Beachcomber's Talk Page ([[User:AutoTrooper2801|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801|talk]]) 15:36, 26 May 2023 (EDT))

Talk:Breaker (G1)

2022-11-28T22:50:46Z

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...Do we know for sure that he's from the Generation 1 continuity? Cause as far as I can tell there hasn't been anything that says that, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone somewhere said he's from the "Diaclone" universe. Of course if I'm wrong feel free to correct me. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:22, 22 July 2022 (EDT)
:"Diaclone Universe" in this line so far is less "character is from another universe" and more "deco is from Diaclone". [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 11:33, 22 July 2022 (EDT)

== Why is this guy at Breaker instead of DK-3 Breaker while the other guy is at DK-2 Guard instead of Guard? ==

Just wondering ([[User:AutoTrooper2801|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801|talk]]) 17:50, 28 November 2022 (EST))

Talk:Breaker (G1)

2022-11-28T22:50:25Z

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...Do we know for sure that he's from the Generation 1 continuity? Cause as far as I can tell there hasn't been anything that says that, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone somewhere said he's from the "Diaclone" universe. Of course if I'm wrong feel free to correct me. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:22, 22 July 2022 (EDT)
:"Diaclone Universe" in this line so far is less "character is from another universe" and more "deco is from Diaclone". [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 11:33, 22 July 2022 (EDT)

== Why is this guy at Breaker instead of DK-3 Breaker while the other guy is at DK-2 Guard instead of Guard? ==

[[Media:Example.ogg]]

Just wondering ([[User:AutoTrooper2801|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801|talk]]) 17:50, 28 November 2022 (EST))

Talk:Cybertronian Knight

2022-09-22T18:19:16Z

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== Difference from Knights of Cybertron ==

Other than the fact that the Knights of Cybertron are Ancient in origins, what makes the Cybertronian Knights different than KoC? Also, did I see where Alpha Trizer basically said they were the new Knights of Cybertron? [[User:Amalgamous Prime|Amalgamous Prime]] ([[User talk:Amalgamous Prime|talk]]) 01:01, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
: Look, I'm just going off how they were named on the danged filecards. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 01:35, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
: Well perhaps the fact that the Knights of Cybertron ''being'' ancient is their entire defining deal, that they're the first generation of Cybertronians after the Guiding Hand who have vanished into the realm of myth, whereas the Knights in the BotCon story are literally just some dudes who call themselves knights. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 11:00, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
::Devcon's bio card refers to the group that Trizer convinced Devcon to join as the "Knights of Cybertron". As do the log entries written by Apelinq on Tornado's Facebook. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:09, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
:::Perhaps we should pay closer attention to punctuation. From Knight Ginrai's filecard: "This is why he has taken leadership of KNIGHT ALPHA TRIZER's new team of CYBERTRONIAN KNIGHTS, a tribute to the original KNIGHTS of CYBERTRON." Does the lower case "of" in the middle make "KNIGHTS of CYBERTRON" two proper nouns connected by a preposition rather than a full three-word name? Is he asking him to join the knights of Cybertron rather than the KNIGHTS OF CYBERTRON? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 13:21, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
::::What of Apelinq's log entries that have no ALL CAPS format for any names? [https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_AaAWT6x2Nmc1kzY0JCN2R4bVk/edit This entry] makes it sound like Alpha Trizer is reforming the old group with new members, rather than creating an all new group merely inspired by the original. And it ''was'' first released online before the toy bios were released at the con. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 15:58, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
::This is what happens when take a thing that's specific to one continuity and shove it sideways into another one with a completely different history. Who the heck even are the "original Knights of Cybertron" in the cartoon-based Wingsverse? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 16:16, 8 July 2014 (EDT)

well someone just ask nightviper --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 16:29, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
:{{quote|Naming them the Cybertronian Knights rather than them taking the name of their predecessors was intentional. Yet at the same time they are meant as a revival of the Knights of Cybertron, fulfilling the same duties and tasks of protecting the planet and keeping the peace. They're just...still rookies and not quite up to that full title and respect just yet.}} [http://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/103568-botcon-2014-superthread/?p=2623571] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:13, 8 July 2014 (EDT)

Did they ever explain what were 8 Autobots doing alive in the freaking post-Beast Machines Era? ([[User:AutoTrooper2801|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801|talk]]) 14:19, 22 September 2022 (EDT))

Talk:Flux (Mini-Con)

2022-07-27T22:55:53Z

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== Flux (Victim) ==

Uh... Is the Note talking about the Disambig or was the other guy supposed to be on this Page or something? I might try to merge them if you guys want ([[User:AutoTrooper2801|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801|talk]]) 18:55, 27 July 2022 (EDT))

Talk:The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 1

2022-07-21T21:44:50Z

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== Reanimated drones ==

Did anybody else think that the way the centurion robots destroyed the reanimated drone decoys was far more violent than most actual fighting that happens between the Transformers themselves? I don't have the episode on hand, but I seem to recall a lot of smashing of heads and ripping and tearing and stuff. [[User:CarrerCrytharis|CarrerCrytharis]] 05:29, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Tricob's reply (02/08/2010; 10:49 P.M. Central Time) - Agreed. It's comparable to War Dawn at some points. They were also kind of brutal to Alpha Trion as well. Speaking of Alpha, although it probably wasn't the writer's intention, we learn - offhandedly - that Alpha definitely wasn't built (or re-designed) for combat, even after millions of years in the war. The only weapons he ever uses are guns attached from the ceiling of his own lab, and he displays no fighting tactics of any kind when the Autobots fight the Centurion Droids.

== "Cybernetic" VS "Cybertronian" ==
From Megatron's description of the Stunticons as "cybernetic," the "Transformers References" section infers that Vector Sigma isn't supposed to give life to robots that weren't built on Cybertron. I submit that Megatron wasn't saying the Stunticons were Cybertronian; "cybernetic" and "Cybertronian" aren't synonyms, as evinced by the existence of cybernetic beings that did not come from Cybertron - like the Xetaxxins.[[User:Thirtysilver|Thirtysilver]] 01:53, 10 August 2011 (EDT)

== "I'm Wildrider and I wanna bust a nut!" ==

That has to be the actual line, right? It barely sounds like "bust something up".
:You're trolling us, right? It most definitely is "bust something up".--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:55, 19 January 2018 (EST)
::It wouldn't hurt to get a sense of humor, y'know.
:::You're right, it wouldn't hurt you at all to actually get one. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:33, 21 January 2018 (EST)
::::You're the one that has a stick up the ass. Maybe if you take it out, it'll hurt less than you getting a sense of humor.

== "Annnnd Mueller takes it!" ==

I'm assuming that is the Driver? If so shouldnt he get a page? I could try and create it if you guys want to ([[User:AutoTrooper2801|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801|talk]]) 17:44, 21 July 2022 (EDT))

Talk:Abraham Dante

2022-07-19T01:00:43Z

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== Moved discussion from "Talk:Dante" ==
=== Merge with Abraham Dante? ===
[[Ask Vector Prime]] has established that character archetypes can transcend species, such as with [[Minimus Ambus]]. Should we merge the BWU Builder with the IDW human? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 18:18, 21 July 2015 (EDT)
:Makes sense to me.--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 18:19, 21 July 2015 (EDT)

== Corumcan Corruptors ==

Inst the City actually called Corumkan? With a "k" instead of and not a "c"? I want to fix it but I'm not sure if its a typo or if the Team was actually called that in the story ([[User:AutoTrooper2801|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801|talk]]) 21:00, 18 July 2022 (EDT))

Talk:Red Alert (IDW)

2022-07-05T23:02:59Z

AutoTrooper2801:

So why does this guy get a Page? The Energon Wing Saber, Armada Blurr, Cybertron Crumplezone, Energon Tow-Line, Armada Cyclonus, Energon Sky Shadow, Energon Ironhide, Armada Sparkplug, Energon Prowl, Energon Snow Cat, Cybertron Brakedown, Armada Hoist, Energon Bulkhead, Energon Ultra Magnus, Energon Beachcomber, and Energon Hot Shot from More than Meets the Eye 35 "The Custom-Made Now - An Elegant Chaos Prologue" for example dont get pages ([[User:AutoTrooper2801|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801|talk]]) 17:21, 14 June 2022 (EDT))
:...Have you looked at the actual page contents? Have you read the issue in question? This is quite a different scenario. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 14:43, 16 June 2022 (EDT)
::I gotta be honest, I do on some vague level agree that our whole thing with regards to these sorts of of cameos is incredibly inconsistent. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 22:39, 16 June 2022 (EDT)
::: I feel like the writer of the comic drawing and coloring a specific character does kind of count "above", like, Jack Lawrence or whoever filling out a crowd scene with block coloured UT guys. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 23:35, 16 June 2022 (EDT)
:::: Sure, but even then, half the time we put those "crowd-fillers" on pages anyway. The big offending example of this is the G1 Hot Shot page, for instance. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 08:00, 17 June 2022 (EDT)
:::: Unless I'm missing something all those guys I mentioned were also colored like "themselves" ([[User:AutoTrooper2801|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801|talk]]) 19:02, 5 July 2022 (EDT))

Talk:Haywire (Targetmaster)

2022-07-01T19:29:32Z

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===Hyperfire = Haywire?===

Soooo, Titans Return Hyperfire looks nothing like Haywire (he's based on Stylor design-wise), has an entirely different nature/backstory than Haywire, transforms into something different, and obviously has a different name. Is the only reason we're considering them "the same guy" because he's a small toy figure partnered with Blurr? Is that enough reason? I kinda feel like he might rate a separate page. Thoughts? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] ([[User talk:ZacWilliam|talk]]) 16:18, 28 July 2016 (EDT)
:I think the name is pretty obviously "We couldn't get Haywire, so here's something close enough". Hyperfire is Haywire like how TR Fracas is Targetmaster Fracas. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:21, 28 July 2016 (EDT)
::Also, [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbJBoiyUAAEUJBd.jpg early packaged samples we saw at cons] even mistakenly used the name Haywire in the bio. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:23, 28 July 2016 (EDT)
:::Fair enough, if that's good enough for folks it's not a big deal. I just kinda think that if the end result released is a bot that doesn't look like Haywire, doesn't have the backstory/profile of Haywire, doesn't transform into or have the same powers as Haywire, and isn't named Haywire there's not too much reason to decide he's Haywire. Other than the precident of other existing partners being reused of course. Shrug. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] ([[User talk:ZacWilliam|talk]]) 16:31, 28 July 2016 (EDT)

== What happened to his Gun Mode? ==

The Page for the G1 Episode "Heavy Metal War" says "Grimlock actually uses his rocket launcher, though it's drawn as one of the barrels of his laser rifle shooting off like a rocket (similar to the future fate of Haywire's gun mode)." so I followed the Haywire Link here and there is nothing so couldnt anyone please explain? Also shouldnt it be mentioned in the Notes or something? ([[User:AutoTrooper2801|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801|talk]]) 15:29, 1 July 2022 (EDT))

Arvassian Range

2022-06-16T22:39:12Z

AutoTrooper2801: ""Mortilius" Zarak"

[[File:Arvassian Range.jpg|thumb]]

The '''Arvassian Range''' is a remote mountain range on [[Nebulos]]. It serves as a good storage stage for any weapons of mass destruction lying around.

==Fiction==
===Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics===
Long ago, [[Nebulan]]s stored all war weapons in a chamber in the Arvassian Range.

When the [[Autobot]]s arrived and the machinations of [[Zarak (G1)|Zarak]] make it appear as if the Autobots were dangerous, [[Galen]] traveled to the Arvassian Range to withdraw the weapons to use against the Autobots. {{storylink|Ring of Hate!}}

===Ask Vector Prime===
In [[Primax 1086.0 Kappa]], the Nebulans managed to defeat the [[Transformer]] invaders and stored their deactivated bodies in the Arvassian mountain range. Decades later, [[Zarak (G1)|Mortilus Zarak]], in a play for power, retrieved some bodies from the range to use in his plot. {{Storylink|Ask Vector Prime}}

==Notes==
===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Arvassian Sanmyaku''' (アーバシアン山脈)

[[Category:Generation 1 locations]]
[[Category:Marvel Generation 1 locations]]
[[Category:Mountains]]
[[Category:Nebulos]]

Talk:Transformers: EarthSpark (cartoon)

2022-06-15T19:51:36Z

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== "the series was later announced to be premiering globally on Paramount+ at Nickelodeon's upfront in March 2022." ==

But we are on June? So has the Series already premiered? ([[User:AutoTrooper2801|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801|talk]]) 15:51, 15 June 2022 (EDT))

Talk:Red Alert (IDW)

2022-06-14T21:22:19Z

AutoTrooper2801:

Talk:Red Alert (IDW)

2022-06-14T21:21:28Z

AutoTrooper2801: Created page with "So why does this guy get a Page? The Energon Wing Saber, Armada Blurr, Cybertron Crumplezone, Energon Tow-Line, Armada Cyclonus, Energon Sky Shadow, Energon Ironhide, Armada S..."

File talk:Mirage battle.JPG

2022-06-10T23:55:07Z

AutoTrooper2801: Created page with "Dino's page says that at some point he got his arm injured and cites him holding his arm in pain in the end as the source and I just wanted to say that in this Scene Dino actu..."

Dino's page says that at some point he got his arm injured and cites him holding his arm in pain in the end as the source and I just wanted to say that in this Scene Dino actually gets shot in the arm(Didnt seem to do much damage but still). I'm not quite sure how(Or if I should) add this to the Page but still ([[User:AutoTrooper2801|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801|talk]]) 19:55, 10 June 2022 (EDT))