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|title=''Transformers The Game''
|image=TransformersTheGamePSP Cover.jpg
|caption=If you're a mid- to late-00s kid and remember this game, then your childhood was honestly pretty weird and unsavory.
|developer=[[Savage Entertainment]]
|publisher=[[Activision]]
|date=[[June 19]], [[2007]] (NA) [[July 18]], 2007 (AU) [[July 20]], 2007 (EU)
|platform=[[PlayStation]] Portable
|ratings=ESRB: E10+ PEGI: 12+
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'''''Transformers The Game''''' on the Sony PlayStation Portable (PSP) was developed by [[Savage Entertainment]] and published by [[Activision]] in conjunction with the [[Transformers (film)|2007 live-action ''Transformers'' film]].

Unlike most versions of the game, the PSP version supports multiplayer.

{{quote|Envision the dullest possible game about giant robots beating one another up, and then find a way to make it even duller. That's Transformers in a nutshell.|>—1981camaroz28}}

==Gameplay==
In contrast to the [[Transformers The Game (console)|console]] version of the game, which features two separate sets of missions for the [[Autobot]]s and the [[Decepticon]]s, or the [[Transformers Autobots/Decepticons|Nintendo DS]] version, which is split across two games for the factions, the PSP version is one continuous adventure, placing control of both the Autobots and the Decepticons in the player's hands at different stages of the story. Players bust, stomp, blast, smash, drive and fly through twenty levels, telling a much-expanded version of the movie's story with an increased cast. As the game proceeds, the player unlocks several bonus "rewards", including music tracks and image galleries (including concept art and a lot of [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] images), and several additional characters for use in the game's online multiplayer mode.

It is absolutely abominable in just about every imaginable way. Imagine walking through molasses while trying to shoot with a target lock-on which refuses to live up to its name and is attached to the most painfully unhelpful button in relation to the position of the analog stick, and you're halfway there. Jab yourself in the eye with a rusty fork to complete the journey.

===Playable characters===
Outside of its expanded story, the major distinguishing feature of the PSP game is its large roster of characters, including the entire movie cast, all the drones (save [[Scrapper (Movie)|Scrapper]]) from the console version of the game, and several unique characters. These include:

*'''[[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]]''' – Ol' One-Eye appears in the console version of the game as a helicopter/artillery emplacement triple changer, but appears in this game as a tank.
*'''[[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]]''' – Unusually, rather than sharing a mold with Starscream, Thundercracker is based on the [[Dreadwing (Movie)|Dreadwing]] drone, but with a real head.
*'''[[Hound (Movie)|Hound]]''' – Autobot tech specialist who transforms into a green military vehicle.
*'''[[Trailbreaker (Movie)|Trailbreaker]]''' – Autobot jokester, based on the [[Dropkick (Movie)|Dropkick]] drone body.
*'''[[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]]''' – a red sports car.
*'''[[Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack]]''' – a G1-style sports car.
*'''[[Hoist (Movie)|Hoist]]''' – a G1-deco'd version of the [[Longarm (Movie)|Longarm]] drone body.

In the course of the single-player game, players will get to control [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/games|Optimus Prime]], [[Bumblebee (Movie)/games|Bumblebee]], [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]], [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]], [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]], [[Hound (Movie)|Hound]], [[Starscream (Movie)/games|Starscream]] and [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]], some more than once. As the game progresses, all the other characters are unlocked for use in the online multiplayer mode. This expanded multiplayer roster offers players the choice of the entire movie cast (sans [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]] and [[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]]), all the drones from the PSP game, and the new characters listed above. Notably, the PSP version of the game is the only iteration to make [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]] or any of the drones playable characters.

==Synopsis==
''As the Autobots speed away from [[Hoover Dam]] with the [[AllSpark|All Spark]] in their hands, they are attacked by Decepticon drones. [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/games|Optimus Prime]] defends [[Bumblebee (Movie)/games|Bumblebee]], who escapes as Prime faces off against [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]]. After besting his opponent, Prime looks at the destruction all around him and is given pause to recall how it all began...''

Hunting for the All Spark, Bumblebee arrives on Earth and follows the trail to [[Sam Witwicky]], whose [[Archibald Witwicky|grandfather]] discovered the lost [[Megatron (Movie)/games|Megatron]] frozen in the Arctic years beforehand, and had the location of the All Spark imprinted upon his spectacles by the Decepticon leader. Posing as the boy's car in order to stay close to him, Bumblebee sneaks away to beam a message on his progress to Optimus Prime, but is followed by Sam, who discovers the truth about his supposed car. Sam is in turn followed by the Decepticon [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] and a platoon of drones, who have pursued Bumblebee to Earth, but Bumblebee is able to defeat the villains in a battle in a steel processing plant. Soon after, Optimus Prime arrives on Earth, accompanied by [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]], [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]], [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]], [[Hound (Movie)|Hound]], and [[Trailbreaker (Movie)|Trailbreaker]]. Prime dispatches Hound and Trailbreaker to the Arctic to investigate the site where Megatron was discovered, while he and the rest of the Autobots stick with Sam.

Unfortunately for the Autobots, Barricade is not the only Decepticon on Earth. At the same time, in [[Qatar]], [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]] attacks an American military base in search of information on the whereabouts of Megatron. As he razes the base, [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] and [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]] arrive to tell him of Barricade's discoveries. Subsequently, Shockwave and Thundercracker head for the Arctic, where they discover that the secret government organization known as [[Sector Seven]] has moved Megatron's body from its cavern. The trip is not wasted, however: Shockwave scans an abandoned computer terminal and discovers that Megatron brought a veritable army of drones to Earth with him to aid in the search for the All Spark, drones which are currently lying dormant all over Earth. Hound and Trailbreaker's Autobot team get the drop on the Decepticons and plant charges in the cavern, but the two villains are narrowly able to escape the blast and quickly head for a rocket launch site. While Thundercracker creates a distraction, Shockwave programs the code that will awaken the drones into the rocket, and once the craft launches, the signal is subsequently beamed down over the world, bringing the drones back online to serve as his own personal army.

In the interim, Bumblebee has been captured by Sector Seven forces, and the rest of the Autobots are following his distress call to Hoover Dam when they are attacked by the Decepticon drones. Ironhide and Ratchet break off from the rest of the team to take the drones down, only to be attacked by Thundercracker. The two Autobots prevail, and they grill Thundercracker for information on the origins of the drones. With the information he provides, Autobot scientist [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack]] (who has recently arrived to join the other Autobots on Earth along with [[Hoist (Movie)|Hoist]] and [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]]) is able to create a virus that will send the drones back into sleep mode. Trailbreaker and Hound break into a military facility to use their satellite dish to broadcast the virus, and Hound sacrifices himself to accomplish the task.

Just after Shockwave and Blackout discover that the drone army has been shut down, Shockwave receives a communiqué from [[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]], who has stowed away with the Autobots heading for Hoover Dam (which they have since reached). Frenzy reports that the frozen body of Megatron is hidden within the dam, and [[Starscream (Movie)/games|Starscream]] and Barricade are already on their way there to liberate the Decepticon leader. Starscream forces open the blast doors to the dam complex, and Barricade speeds inside, quickly locating Megatron and bringing him back online. With Starscream watching his back, Megatron proceeds to re-energize himself by absorbing power from the base's generators, and the pair then set off after the fleeing Autobots, who are attempting to escape with the All Spark.

''And that's where we came in...''

Prime continues to safeguard Bumblebee against opposing drones as the two Autobots head for [[Center City (Movie)|Center City]], but once they arrive in the city streets, Megatron swoops down from the sky and tackles Bumblebee to the ground. Seizing the All Spark, Megatron channels its power and faces off against Optimus Prime in a protracted final battle, bringing numerous vehicles to life to make things even tougher for the Autobot leader. Eventually, Prime prevails and knocks the All Spark from Megatron's grasp, at which point Sam darts into action, scooping up the cube and plunging it into Megatron's chest. The Decepticon leader is consumed by the All Spark's power and perishes.

Some time later, Optimus Prime broadcasts a message into space, alerting any other Autobots that may be listening to the location of Earth. Meanwhile, Starscream and Shockwave have retreated back to Cybertron, where they engage in a duel for leadership of the Decepticons, with Starscream emerging victorious.

==Differences between movie and game==
In addition to the obvious point of numerous additional characters and drones that have their own roles in side-stories throughout the game, differences between the storyline of the game and the film include the following:

* Archibald Witwicky is identified as Sam's ''grandfather'', not his great-great-grandfather, and Sam knew him, having been told stories of the ice-man in his youth. Considering that he died in 1938, Sam and his father are apparently much older than they look.
* The Autobots follow a distress call from Bumblebee to the Hoover Dam, rather than following the code on Archibald's glasses there (rendering the glasses pretty much ''entirely'' pointless to the plot of the game).
* Bumblebee transmitting his signal to the other Autobots and his clash with Barricade—two separate events in the film—are combined into one for the game.
* Blackout's attack in Qatar takes place at the same time Barricade and Bumblebee battle, as opposed to some time before.
* Barricade is responsible for reactivating Megatron, rather than Frenzy.
* The final battle with Megatron takes place in "Center City," rather than [[Mission City]], as in the film.
* Megatron obtains the All Spark during the final battle and uses it to boost his power before Sam uses it to kill him. Why it would kill him when he was just fine using it mere moments before his death is best not thought about.

==External links==
*[http://www.transformersgame.com Official website for Transformers: The Game]

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== Site Logo revamp ==

Up until now, our rotating logo on the main page tends to have a batch of logos pointing to pages from the most recent franchises and series, plus a few from older franchises that we forgot or didn't bother to remove. I'd like to rework this system a bit to have a more even balance franchise-wise. I think we should have one character for every franchise that has had a cartoon or movie (including the JG1 shows), plus one from each of the major English-language comic runs (Marvel, Dreamwave, IDW1, and IDW2 at the bare minimum). This would be a good way to demonstrate the breadth of the franchise scope of the wiki, and help drive new readers towards legacy content. (Of course, we'd still have a few extra banners based on whatever is currently running for the "Hey, I know that guy!" factor. Would love to get some thoughts on this, and potentially character suggestions for each franchise. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 00:59, 18 December 2021 (EST)
:I think this is a great idea! Though, I'm unsure on which characters from each show would be good to use. Like, would we go most popular/memorable characters or just some really random left field obscurities like G1 Skids who appeared in only two episodes of ''The Transformers'', just to get some more eyes on character articles from franchises newer fans may not be fully aware of? Also, would Japanese-exclusive shows include ''Go!'', ''Q-Transformers'' and ''Robotmasters''? If so, maybe even an image from ''Portal'' (the Russian show) would be worthwhile too. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 02:47, 18 December 2021 (EST)
::Obscure/minor stuff risks just being the GO! Boxes again, and we already have those. For the big logo, best to go with majorish characters from majorish media. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 07:19, 18 December 2021 (EST)
:This sounds like a great idea. We could break it down like this:
G1 Seasons 1 and 2 - Optimus Prime,
TFTM/G1 Seasons 3 and 4 - Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime,
G1 Marvel - Ratchet,
Headmasters - Fort Max,
Masterforce - Minerva,
Victory - Star Saber,
Idk if we would do Zone or any of the Japanese G1 stories that came after,
Beast Wars - Megatron,
Beast Wars II - Lio Convoy,
Beast Wars Neo - Magmatron,
RID/Car Robots - Side Burn,
I've never read Dreamwave so I don't know a good character that represents it,
Unicron Trilogy - Hot Shot,
IDW could be broken into a few character reps because of how long it went on,
IDW Furman Era - IDW Bumblebee,
IDW Post Furman - IDW Galvatron,
IDW MTMTE/LL - Nautica,
IDW RID/OP - IDW Optimus Prime,
Animated - Bulkhead,
Movies - Bumblebee,
WFC Games - Bruticus,
Prime - Starscream,
RID15 - Strongarm,
Cyberverse - Windblade,
WFC Trilogy - G1 Megatron,
And then we can have a few slots open for characters from the latest shows/movies. This list would give new readers an idea on how big the franchise truly is and how diverse the characters are. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 18:03, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:Certainly if anyone's gonna represent CR/RiD'01, it's gonna be Sky-Byte, the breakout star of the show, and not Side Burn, the Autobot womanizer. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:26, 5 January 2022 (EST)
::Funilly enough I meant to put him there lol. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 20:43, 5 January 2022 (EST)
::Dreamwave, I'd pick War Within Grimlock. Certainly Shockwave should be part of 2005 IDW since he's responsible for the whole sha-bang.--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 18:40, 5 January 2022 (EST)

== Splitting Cloud characters ==

So now we have some sorta adequate translations, I'm being increasingly convinced that merging them just on the basis of AVP was a mistake and that the Cloud characters should be split out for simplicity and ease of explanation. Notably, the central conceit is far more similar to TransTech than G1—and more different to G1 than Cyberverse, for instance. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 02:44, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I was against it then and I'm against it now. They're nothing like the TransTech; they are practically nigh identical to the G1 guys, there's a war going on in their universe, and the "central conceit" of them being multiversal guardians is more akin to Alternity than it is to TransTech, who for the majority of their fiction were at most passive observers. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 07:05, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::I am declining to weigh in personally until I finish first pass translations but please at least pretend to look over the translated material before repeating the same arguments. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:19, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::I have looked over it. Nothing is convincing me that it's all that separate from G1 stuff. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:29, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::"War going on" describes most of Transformer fiction. What makes Cyberverse "not G1", but Cloud G1, other than convenience for us editors? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:02, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::: As far as I can tell, there is no basic divergence, aside from Grimlock's origins, from the Cloud characters to the G1 counterparts. I could point to a fair few examples on the side of Cyberverse that rank higher than that (Grimlock's presenations, the origins of the Quintessons and Sharkticons, Skywarp, Acid Storm, etc etc.) [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:23, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::We can be here all day debating over character minutiae, but the point is that Cyberverse ultimately doesn't diverge that much from G1 in its general premise as opposed to Cloud. G1 is bloated enough as it is; it doesn't hurt to take out the one thing that doesn't really fit in and make it its own thing. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:29, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::: Well that just comes right back to my question: what actually makes Cloud World's core conceit any different from G1 beyond the fact that they have technology that allows them dimensional travel? Because if it is just that, I simply do not believe that is enough to justify a split for characters who are almost all made to look like and have the same personality as the G1 characters. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:51, 28 December 2021 (EST)
I agree for the sake of wiki presentation. *Cloud* is more like *TransTech* than it is like *Alternity*. *Cloud* characters got to travel to both the G1 and MD worlds as equally separate destinations. TakaraTomy used the *Generations War for Cybertron* moulds as the *United* series, which is G1 and not Aligned by our classification. *Cloud* recycling unused *Generations Fall of Cybertron* toys in a non-Aligned setting strikes me as more evidence that we can allow *Cloud* to live on its own rather than as another G1 setting. And *Cloud* was chosen by e-HOBBY over the competing proposal *Prime Shattered Glass* which would also have been on separate wiki pages despite employing purely redeco mould choiceis. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:08, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I'm not convinced by the idea that them saying "G1 World" is an indicator of separateness when there is also designations for "BW Spacetime" and "MF Spacetime." Brawn is depicted as practically identical in appearance to G1 Brawn before being upgraded. As for the Prime Shattered Glass choice, I think it's pretty obvious why that would be completely separate from this particular issue. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:25, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::The only reason Brawn is shown as the G1 body is if you take consideration that all Cloud members are drawn according to the latest toy or model available... he got no real toy before that, the only options were either G1 Sunbow, G1 toy or the tiny Universe 2.0 Legends. Now if you remove their appearance and focus on the story, Cloud is still more akin to Transtech than Alternity, Deadlock for example even got to visit the Legends World, a Aligned world (possibly the Adventure toyline) and the Ehobby spin-off dimension (now called Precursor World) -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 17:55, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::Yes, I am aware of how Cloud repurposings work. Nothing prevents one G1 universe from visiting another. And aside from that, Japan has had barely any non-JG1 cartoon related G1 fiction; of course Cloud World, which isn't directly JG1 related, would be indicated as different; that doesn't mean that it's not able to be categorized as G1. If it were an American storyline, where we have always had multiple G1 storylines, I feel that this would not nearly be as much of a point of contention. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:05, 28 December 2021 (EST)
I'm in favor of splitting Cloud from G1. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 19:32, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I haven't read any of the Cloud fiction myself, but I know that if our translation team collectively agrees on something based on the material available, then that's more than enough convincing for me to agree with them also. In other words, I agree with a split. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 19:52, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::I'd vastly prefer if we could get someone like McFeely to weigh in on this. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:56, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::i'm in favour of the split. The cloud people have enough characteristics to distonguist them from theur jg1 counterpatts.--[[User:ZacAttack|ZacAttack]] ([[User talk:ZacAttack|talk]]) 20:14, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::Alright, seriously, what characteristics are there actually to distinguish them from G1? Because nobody has been able to give me a concrete example so far. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:17, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::::dinobot, heavy usage of aligned designs, hellwarp --[[User:ZacAttack|ZacAttack]] ([[User talk:ZacAttack|talk]]) 21:36, 28 December 2021 (EST)
Looks like Escargon is the only voice against the split thus far. Still, I suggest the discussion should remain open longer than usual, out of courtesy for people not checking the wiki as regularly given the holiday season. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 21:47, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:As the translations are still ongoing, I think the most we can suggest at this time is a note regarding its a classification as a Primax setting by AVP. As more information comes to light I'm becoming increasingly convinced that it was a decision made on shaky logic. Unlike the Alternity there doesn't seem to be any evidence of these guys being derived in-universe from G1 guys. And as fiction, it's about a bunch of super advanced parallel universe monitor guys who regularly travel to other universes. If it's literally just "the cast is mostly recolours of toys with G1 fiction" then maybe we need to start talking about listing the War for Cybertron games as G1 too. [[User:Star Spangled Sam|Star Spangled Sam]] ([[User talk:Star Spangled Sam|talk]]) 01:44, 29 December 2021 (EST)
::What exactly is super-advanced about them beyond SARA, who, as far as I can tell, is a gift from some being and not even their own creation? Because otherwise, they seem to be basic Transformers. Not a single person has been able to tell me that so far, and I'd be far more willing to listen if someone would just spell out what exactly makes them so distinct that means they can't be G1. It's not about in-universe stuff, because for all intents and purposes, the characters themselves are nigh-identical to the Generation 1 characters; you look at Cloud Megatron or Cloud Rodimus and it is obvious that, irregardless of whatever the fiction might say, they are being sold as new versions of the G1 characters. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 04:29, 29 December 2021 (EST)
:::By the same logic, then why not put the FOC and WFC games under the G1 banner since it heavly takes inspirations from it, same settings (war on cybertron, the resources are becoming low, escaping to another world), closest designs to G1.. hell they were more marketed towards G1 than the Movies and Prime in mind (let's face it.. that's what Hasbro always does).. but the further Hasbro tied them to Aligned and they became their own thing.. Cloud is about that, maybe marketed as G1 at first but they became their own thing at the end -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 13:20, 29 December 2021 (EST)
::::The WFC games are their own case that, despite what you say, were always clearly a part of Hasbro's ideas for the Aligned continuity, which is something that I'm not going to bother going into here. Nothing about Cloud registers to me as being somehow so separate that it requires us splitting off things into their own pages. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:24, 29 December 2021 (EST)
Bumping for more opinions. If there's no overall opposition to it by Friday or so, I'll start splitting. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:07, 4 January 2022 (EST)
:The Cloud fiction prominently features the Cloud characters interacting with their own G1 counterparts. If nothing else, it should be split on same basis as [[Galvatron II]]. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 16:50, 4 January 2022 (EST)
::We've seen that with other fiction. I'm not sure why it would justify them having their whole separate pages (Galvatron II is a unique case). If that's what it takes though to not go through some inane total split, though, then fine, whatever. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:03, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:If there is to be movement on this in the immediate future I suppose I should go ahead and weigh in. As the one doing the translation I broadly agree with Riptide. While I am unmoved by philosophical discussions on what constitutes "G1-ness" or "Transtech-ness," I believe it is important to return to our guiding principle of the end user experience. Given the already convoluted nature of the material as well as the cast's consistent interaction with both various Generation 1 continuities in general and their own incarnations in specific, I believe it will be in the best interests of intelligibility for the reader to split out Cloud from Generation 1. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:25, 5 January 2022 (EST)

We are not going to pretend that these are completely separate from the Generation 1 characters. Put up a suite or a "see [X] article for more information" because it is completely ridiculous to pretend that Cloud is it's own little continuity. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:38, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:I disagree. Cloud should be split off entirely. So let's have an official vote and resolve this. I say '''Split'''. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:28, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::The articles have already been split. You'll forgive me if I don't show confidence in the decision from people who blew me off when I pointed out their original reason for splitting was incorrect (that supposedly the Almanac had come out before Cloud was truly explained, but in fact it had come after almost all of it had been published). [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:35, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::This discussion has been open for twelve days. An unofficial tally shows at least 7-to-1 in favor of splitting. No one else has openly agreed with your position. Given that, and that Saix announced days in advance he would start splitting if there was no further discussion, it wasn't unreasonable for him to begin. But maybe there's a different split of opinions on the Discord or wherever, so it's certainly appropriate to ask for an official vote. Beyond that...the decision is just not up to you alone. The point of democracy is for all voices to be heard, not to leave every voice feeling satisfied with the outcome. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 11:08, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::::I have no idea what's going on in the Discord server; I'm barred from it. I certainly hope there's not more discussion going on over there, because I was told that there would be a push to have these sorts of big discussions to be on the wiki. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:42, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::With all due respect: You need to stop putting so much emphasis on the in-universe designation, which AVP itself pointed out was ultimately arbitrary. I understand that AVP and the Almanacs are important to you, but Jim is not infallible, and while I'm sure he had good reasons for calling it "Primax" that's ultimately just ''his opinion''. Cloud being "its own thing" isn't some essential property; it's a matter of how to organise the wiki in order to make the fiction clear. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:47, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:I also vote '''Split''' if only because of how better translations now has pointed out various past errors/assumptions/presumptions that needed correcting, and thus updating is needed so as to make things easier to categorize and organize here. Any wiki really worth their salt and wanting to do proper service to their respective franchises' fandoms would do the same. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 14:43, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::I ''still'' haven't got an answer for what makes Cloud so different that makes it ''need'' to be split. If there were a crossover between say, Marvel and Sunbow, nobody in their right mind we should completely separate, say, Huffer from Huffer. I'm willing to admit that I might just be missing something, but nothing in the stories themselves, as far as I can see, suggests it, beyond the aforementioned Cloud World classification, which for me is not enough of a justification. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:33, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::Neither Marvel nor Sunbow consists primarily of crossovers with another G1 continuity. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:20, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::::If that's the main avenue of justification then frankly I don't think I'm ever going to agree with that line of reasoning, but I can clearly see I'm outvoted on this. I wish there would have been more people asked before the split was done, though, because I can see that this could very easily end up being another whole "retitling things to FSRLF" situation. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:00, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::We functionally split out Marvel and Sunbow versions for a lot of characters anyway. We're at the point where we draw lines based on how easy/hard it is for the information to be conveyed, not whether it's G1 enough or not. We think Cloud, as its own fullblown storyline/premise, falls on the side of "it's easier to read and parse it if they get their own shebang" instead of burying them in overlong G1 articles. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:11, 8 January 2022 (EST)

I'm not gonna argue further on this because I recognize it's a losing battle, but I think that the line of thought of "this one bit of media shouldn't be kept in an article because it won't get out there otherwise" sets a bad precedent that could easily be misused in the future. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:39, 8 January 2022 (EST)

Should the Cloud toys also be removed from the G1 character's pages? [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 09:21, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:Yeah no, It vould be too convoluted, example look at the redirections [[Transformers_Cloud#Toys|there]]... where should each toy be redirected?? + the fiction regarding said toys has their own page now -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 10:58, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::...What on earth are you talking about? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:16, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::Srry I misread his question.. I thought he meant "added" not "removed" from the G1 pages...
:Not entirely certain what you're asking, but the eight toys in the Cloud toyline (plus Deadlock) have already been moved to the Cloud pages in conjunction with the fiction, as they solely represent Cloud characters. The remaining Cloud characters repurpose existing toys. The writeups for those toys remain on the original pages with duplicates on the repurpose pages, as is standard practice. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:54, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::I mean, for example, [[Blaster_(G1)/toys#Generations|G1 Blaster's toy page]] has FOC Blaster on it, due to FOC Blaster being repurposed as Cloud Blaster. Should that repurposing be removed from G1 Blaster's page, since Cloud Blaster isn't considered to be G1 Blaster anymore? [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 12:34, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::I believe yeah, the splitting between G1 and Cloud was recent (done last month) so there's still leftover traces on the wiki, if you can take your time to remove them why not -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 16:44, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::::Ok, good. I just wanted to check I wasn't missing anything. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 17:13, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::::Oh! Yes those should go, good eye! -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 10:52, 18 February 2022 (EST)

==Split Movie Character Toy lists?==
Just as what happened with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys]] and [[Megatron (G1)/toys]], I suggest we split certain Movie toy pages such as [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys]] and [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys]] as both pages have become excessively bloated. I suggest we separate them by having the original Bay film toylines (07, ROFT, DOTM, AOE, TLK, and any pre SS sub lines) have their own page and starting a new one that Contains SS, BB, and the upcoming ROTB toylines, alongside any future movie toylines until the new page itself becomes heavily bloated [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 18:43, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:Sorry for being this late but given that ROTB toys are apparently coming this spring, I suggest you split like one part contains all 5 movies while the other starts with SS and BB until now -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 15:26, 22 January 2022 (EST)

== Multi-part comic stories ==

For old Marvel UK multi-part stories like [[Target: 2006]] or [[Time Wars]], we put the whole thing under a single article, but for modern-day ones like each storyline in [[Transformers (2019 comic)]] we have a separate article for each issue. Is there a good reason for the discrepancy, or are the old ones just an artefact of a time in the wiki's history that didn't follow our current standards? --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 09:36, 22 January 2022 (EST)
:The thing with that is that it's a result of how the UK comic was written; there'd be about 8 or so pages per issue, meaning that we'd have a lot of little articles that are easier just grouped together. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:16, 22 January 2022 (EST)
::Makes sense, although that's essentially what we have for [[The Transformers: Autocracy]] et al., which are also 8 pages per issue. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 15:38, 23 January 2022 (EST)
:::The difference with Autocracy lies mostly in that pretty much all of those issues have a beginning and end, and also have different titles. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:47, 23 January 2022 (EST)
::::Oh, I always thought our headings on the Marvel UK story pages ''were'' the issue titles. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 01:21, 24 January 2022 (EST)

== Composite characters and page transclusion ==

This is something I've had the idea about for a while, but I've finally had a look at how the markup for it works and have come up with a proposal. The pages for [[Greatshot]] and [[Sixshot (G1)]] contain an entirely duplicated section set around the ''Victory'' cartoon owing to a retcon that occurred in the much later Legends manga. This is not an ideal solution because, among other reasons, any edits to Greatshot's cartoon section necessitates making the same edit to Sixshot's section.

Over in my sandbox, I've whipped up the page [[User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot-test]], containing only the events that happened to both Greatshot and the retconned Sixshot. By inserting <nowiki>{{:User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot-test}}</nowiki> into the relevant parts of Greatshot and Sixshot's pages (also sandboxed [[User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot|here]] and [[User:TheLastGherkin/Sixshot|here]]), the same information is automatically transcluded. And clicking "Edit" on, for example, the Legends manga section on Sixshot's page automatically redirects the user to editing that portion of Greatshot-test, thus updating all three pages at once.

If we go forward with this, I can see it being used for other characters in similar situations, like BWU [[Wolfang (Maximal)#Beast Wars: Uprising|Wolfang]], or Unite Warriors [[Roller (IDW)#Unite Warriors|Roller]], or putting the lion's share (pun intended) of [[Victory Leo]]'s fictional appearances back onto Victory Leo's page. With refinements, like say a <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki> explanation for what each subpage is for the layperson ("This page covers the events of the Japanese Generation 1 continuity, where Greatshot and Sixshot are the same individual...") and maybe a [[:Category:Transcluded pages]], I could see this really working, and it could probably be bent into shape for repurposed toys as well. [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 12:48, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:If we cannot avoid this sort of duplicated information entirely, this does seem like a pretty ideal solve to mitigate the constant peril of copy editing flubs maintaining multiple copies of one write-up entails. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:56, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::Is there any way to get rid of the "This section is transcluded from another page. To edit it, please edit the transcluded page." notice? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:06, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:::There is! I just put that there manually while experimenting and also to make clear where the transcluded section is. In practice, since clicking "Edit" on a transcluded section takes you to the source page, a notice like that can be relegated to a commented-out note for editors who click to Edit the entire page (or a larger section). [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 16:16, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::::Oh, I thought it was automatic software stuff. Whoops, never mind. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:22, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::Also, this works for fiction, but I see it running into issues when it comes to toys. (Thinking of Sixshot/Greatshot, Sixshot always gets toys first with Greatshot as the retool later in the same line.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:14, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:I've made some tweaks to my sandboxes, including standardising the transcluded page. Are there any objections before I start implementing this (in fiction sections)? [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 07:10, 12 February 2022 (EST)
::I sense that there could be an issue in the future where, for whatever reason, these sorts of characters diverge back into separate ones, whether it be through alternate continuities or whatever. Also, in the case of Greatshot, I feel like at the very beginning of his entry, there has to be something different to set up the Sixshot retcon, and just having the same opening text doesn't do that. 08:57, 12 February 2022 (EST)
:::His toy bio that mentions Sixshot as a separate person could go there. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:21, 16 February 2022 (EST)
:This could also be applied to Primus and Vector Sigma for their 3H comics sections since they are one and the same in that continuity. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:26, 26 February 2022 (EST)

== What makes a franchise? Or, does "Precursor World" exist? ==

So, browsing around the wiki, as one does, and came across this: [[Precursor World continuity|Precursor World (franchise)]]

Now, I'm not as well-versed in the Legends + Selects comics, so maybe this is incorrect, but to the best of my understanding, the branding "Precursor World" doesn't exist — this story was told across Generations Selects and Legends, and no toy or story was ever released branded as "Precursor World". It doesn't seem like the name even existed until pretty recently.

This...isn't a franchise, right? It's a long-running story told across various medium, but it's not a franchise, and calling it such implies something that isn't true.

Particularly, the idea that there is a "toyline" seems a bit of a stretch. There are only three listed "official" toys, but none of them were released under the "Precursor World" branding (which near as I can tell does not exist) and the list of "repurposings" seems almost entirely just "this toy/characters showed up in this story" which doesn't seem like anything's been repurposed to me. The IDW comics used a bunch of existing/prior toys, but that doesn't create a toyline of that comic series.

Am I off base here? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 12:16, 3 March 2022 (EST)
:Okay there's a lot to unpack here but to begin with every single one of those toys is being repurposed as a separate object/character in a separate setting a la, for example, [[Green Tender Convoy]] and the [[Matrix Buster|Red Matrix]]. Most of the unnamed crowdfillers are minimized to footnotes on existing articles to avoid generating a bazillion stubs. The closest analogue I can give you is the [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|toyline]] for the original ''Timelines'' iteration of Shattered Glass. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:35, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::I'll grant that those indeed seem to be repurposings, but the vast majority of toys on this list merely link to the toy entry for the toy on the regular character's page. I don't think having a list of members of these groups is bad (it's good!) but I don't think this is a toyline. Again, crucially, Shattered Glass has a brand, with the official toys released under that brand, whereas precursor world does not. IDW repurposed WfC/FoC/aligned toys as G1 characters, but this didn't create a virtual toyline associated with that comic. --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 12:46, 3 March 2022 (EST)

:::Arguably Shattered Glass toys weren't really released under their own brand either until the recent Hasbro Pulse stuff, until then the figures were all just released under the ''Timelines'' banner or whatever else Fun Pub used at the time - the idea of a singular "Shattered Glass toyline" was just as much of a constructed idea until like a year ago. I can't say "franchise" and "toyline" ''aren't'' slightly more non-literal labels than usual in this context, but I do think there's value in having the info collated like this, and I can't think of ''better'' labels that aren't something stupid like "(meta franchise)". [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:57, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::::To be honest, I'm inclined to agree re: Shattered Glass, and would not be opposed to restructuring the toyline page to delineate between the "Shatted Glass Collection" and "Shattered Glass toys released via Timelines" or something. Shattered Glass does, however, have a leg up on Precursor World given that every official SG toy was branded as "Shattered Glass" in some way, though perhaps not as a "franchise". The box set is called Shattered Glass, and every official toy was called "Shattered Glass". There's some nuance there, of course, as arguably those are part of the character's names ala "Prime Universe Bulkhead" is still a Legacy toy, not a Prime toy, but I'd be happy to have a debate around the best way to frame Shattered Glass stuff given those discrepancies. Allll that said, Shattered Glass is today a franchise, but there have been zero anythings released with Precursor World branding or labeling. --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 13:06, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::I don't think the page should be removed or even severely modified, but I do think the terminology is flawed. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 16:02, 3 March 2022 (EST)
Precursor World is definitely not a "franchise" and should not have that label. The model to look at here is the [[Beast Wars: Uprising]] article, which gives an overview of the thing, lists it's stories and toys, but does not use the "franchise" label, and doesn't ''need'' to use it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 15:07, 3 March 2022 (EST)

Yeah, no, this is not a "franchise", and the page should not be labeled as such. It is a ''setting''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:04, 3 March 2022 (EST)

:I like the solution that AzimuthAcolyte gave on Discord: move "Precursor World (franchise)" to "Precursor World continuity" (with all uses of the word "franchise" changed to "continuity") and "Precursor World (toyline)" to "List of Precursor World toys". Simple and elegant. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:55, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::Seconded.[[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 19:00, 3 March 2022 (EST)
:::That seems reasonable to me. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:00, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::::I'm for that. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 19:04, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::That's fair. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:59, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::Works for me, somewhat obviously! If there are no major objections over the next day or two I'll get those moved over. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:48, 4 March 2022 (EST)
::Ohhh, That works -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 18:19, 4 March 2022 (EST)
Alrighty as it's been a day or so with no objections I am proceeding with the moves away from (franchise) and (toyline). --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 18:06, 5 March 2022 (EST)

== Episode Order ==
It's come to my attention that all cartoons have been listed in production order '''except''' Beast Wars, RID01, RB, and RBA. While I understand production order is not available for the latter two I suggest we change the first two for consistency's sake - Unless I'm wrong and they are ''not'' all in production order. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 13:48, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
:We're not touching Beast Wars. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:52, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
::Beast Wars and RiD'01 not being in production order are accepted exceptions to the norm. We leave them as they are for reasons specific to each. But as for RB and RBA, we do have an idea of the production orders for each, but we instead use a weird mixture of production order and airing order that is consistent with no other series we cover. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:53, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
:OK quick correction to myself, turns out that it's all supposed to be chronological order; That just happens to be production order for everything but those four. Sorry! [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 14:09, 16 March 2022 (EDT)

==Help with statues / figurines==
I wrote up many of the [[Super7#Transformers ULTIMATES!|ULTIMATES!]] entries, simply because no one else had. I don't actually care about that sort of merch and it ended up being me paraphrasing from press releases and copying their pics. Just today I learned there are 3 waves of TF [[Minimates]] that have no coverage here at all. It definitely seems like a lot of high-end statues are falling through the cracks as well. Is there someone who is willing to make that stuff more of a project? If not, could we perhaps put out a call for submissions on our Twitter feed? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:47, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:I fear this is just... going to continue to be an Issue. The wiki is a labor of love, and the brand is at a point where there's a lot of stuff out there... well, that a lot of people probably aren't gonna love. Hasbro's moichandized the everloving HELL out of TF over the years, with more and more niche "G1" stuff that seemingly would never appeal to people for whom G1 is the big center of their fandom. I mean I just found some Micro Figures merch at a Big Lots, I've never seen these before, and I don't know offhand if they're on the wiki. They're kind of a nothing. It's hard to keep up. Same for stuff like phone games. 
:I don't know if there's an actual solution. ''Someone'' certainly needs to step up, but I kinda got my plate overflowing with my own pet (ha ha) niche chunk of TF history to exhaustively document, never mind dealing with stuff I am almost aggressively disinterested in. (Seriously what little Minimates experience I have left me with a worse impression of them than I already had from their hideous aesthetic alone.) Asking Twitter for people more well-versed in this stuff might could help for phone games, but... IS there anyone into Minimates as a whole Brand and not just in a "I get the licenses I like" sense to fill in gaps? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:20, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::Once I had composed the thought "Hey, it's bad that there are a lot of Minimates out with us not covering them at all," it was too late, and I just had to burn 40 minutes on some cut-and-paste writups for the entire series. That's one "solution," I guess, but even ''my'' obsessive-compulsiveness can only go so far. Editing this site really should not feel like a job... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:18, 22 March 2022 (EDT)

==Implementing galleries==
I propose making galleries on character pages a wiki standard. The current mainpic + show screenshots format doesn't cover images like character models (Unless used as a mainpic), concept art, appearances in posters or toy murals, comic book covers, etc.
Other wikis have successfully implemented galleries, I think the Hololive Wiki galleries in particular work well as an example https://hololive.wiki/wiki/Tokino_Sora#Media.
This gallery header covers character models and has suites for concept art and even character uses in collaborative merch.[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 13:27, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:Seconded. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 13:30, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:I would say some version of this concept for a section has merit, if nothing else as a solve for major characters with several prominent character models, perhaps as a fairly unobtrusive method of documenting alt modes, etc etc. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:38, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::I'm for this. As a good example, the BotBots characters all look to have been radically redesigned for the show. By default the current standard is to keep the original stock art look will appear as the mainpic each page. Having a gallery option would be a good way to show both versions. [[User:ParadoxFactor|ParadoxFactor]] ([[User talk:ParadoxFactor|talk]]) 14:24, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:Oppose. There is no reason for these to take up space on the character pages. Would not oppose separate "gallery" pages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:57, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::If we are open to workshopping implementation I do agree a separate "gallery page" in the style we already use for more conceptual articles here and there would probably be cleaner. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::I love the gallery idea. There's a question of how much to include, and the exact implementation details of how to portion out overflow if there's too many images. It's a shame there isn't some way to generate them automatically just by tagging images with the characters they depict. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 14:24, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::A separate page seems like it would be overkill for someone like [[Flamewar (G1)|Flamewar]], who would only take a few images to cover appearances not already covered by fiction section images. I assume if a small gallery was to be used on a character's page, it would be near the bottom at any rate? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:22, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::Yes, at the bottom would be ideal, no different from any of the galleries on our artist pages. IMO, separate gallery pages should only be used in instances where the number of images can't be comfortably fit onto one or two lines. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:33, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::::I agree with Cyberlink. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:29, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::Fair; Using gallery sections for those with few images and gallery pages for those with many images might make sense. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 15:46, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::::See [[Megatron (G1)/gallery|G1 Megatron]] and [[Megatron (BW)/gallery|BW Megatron]] for examples of characters with enough images to justify separate gallery pages. [[Rhinox (BW)/gallery|BW Rhinox]], as it is now, is probably right on the line between "split it off" and "stick it at the bottom of the page". -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:58, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
I think choosing between a header at the bottom or a suite depending on image amount is a good solution instead of sticking to just one method.
[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 11:29, 22 March 2022 (EDT)
:Yeah, I think that would be good, as has been pointed out earlier. I do have to ask - because sometimes the artistic difference between characters in comics is slight with details only a little different in shape or kibble - would those fall under gallery stuff? Because they're effectively different per artist interpretation. I would be inclined to say yes, because effectively a different artist's rendition is shown usually of the same character without having reformatted or taken up armor or so forth. --[[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 10:56AM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I am very much on board with this idea. Having a gallery section or page depending on the character would be great, especially for characters like Flamewar who have a extremely prominent new design that we can't use as a main pic and for characters who have tons of designs, especially in the case of IDW where some characters change bodies every Tuesday. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 11:35 AM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I think artistic liberty vs. new design would have to be on a case by case basis. Burcham's art of the BW cast wouldn't count for gallery purposes, in my opinion. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:08, 27 March 2022 (EDT)
:::I think it would be cool to have art of the same designs in different artstyles, but I agree it should probably be on case by case basis. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 6:17 PM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I currently have a sandbox to test galleries using Tigatron https://tfwiki.net/wiki/User:MrRald/sandbox/Tigatron#Gallery. I'd appreciate any feedback on things to add or change! [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 23:44, 1 April 2022 (EDT)
::: I like what you have so far, I think we should maybe add a few more versions of Tigatron, like his different comic appearances and such. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]])

: Now that we're actually going ahead with this... I have to ask, what are the galleries actually ''for''? When we were discussing this I was under the impression that they were going to be for "behind-the-scenes" images that wouldn't otherwise have a place on the wiki, like out-of-universe character models, character concept art, or full-body renders from stuff like guidebooks. Right now, a lot of the galleries just feel redundant, given that they're just a bunch of cartoon and comic screengrabs taken from the relevant section and removed of all context... and a lot of them, like [[Blaster (G1)/gallery]] are just completely empty. The fact that every character ''can'' have a gallery does not mean that all of them ''should'', especially if most of them are just going to be redundant or mostly empty. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 18:57, 4 August 2022 (EDT)
::Agreed, I feel like this is bloating the wiki and toeing over the line of our vague remit. Despite having a LOT of images, we're not an image repository. Also, a lot of these could probably be done as a single subsection of the characters' mainpage under below "Notes" of whatever rather than as separate mostly-blank-space sub-pages full of sub-headers with like two images total in them. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 06:11, 5 August 2022 (EDT)
:::Yeah, I didn't think they'd be separate pages. What I was expecting was whichever of the cartoon character model, Dreamwave profile art or package art weren't being used for the mainpic, plus behind-the-scenes stuff, plus maybe extra bits from artbooks, covers, or sources like that. Stuff that can't just be slotted into a fiction writeup—and I don't mean "comic crops we don't have room for because equivalent/better panels are already in the fiction section". —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 06:35, 5 August 2022 (EDT)
My intentions for the gallery pages were for users to actually do the work in uploading character models, renders, et al., not dumping whatever cartoon screencaps we already have in fiction sections. And separate pages would be on a case by case basis. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:46, 5 August 2022 (EDT)
I don't see the point, honestly. It seems like pretty much any significant body a significant enough character has will appear on the wiki at some point in a comic panel or a toy info image or a screenshot or something, somewhere. I'm not sure this is a problem that needs solving. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] ([[User talk:Hooper X|talk]]) 20:36, 29 August 2022 (EDT)

===G1 model images===
To branch off of this topic, how would we feel about using [https://www.allspark.com/forums/threads/the-most-accurately-coloured-g1-animation-models-online.301/ DM's coloured models] for the G1 cartoon model galleries? The last time I brought this topic up (on Discord), some people were against the idea, due to them being fan-colour works and not official, but a few newer developments have been made since I last brought it up.

To clarify, for those unaware of DM's works:

* All of the line art is original and unedited (unlike several of the models in ''The Ark'' books, which had been tweaked, altered and traced by Bill Forster to make them presentable for publishing).
* The models are the final ones used throughout the majority of the cartoon (in Toei-animated episodes at least). Note: several of the models in ''The Ark'' books we have also come to discover were unfinalized ones, due to the internet and more stuff being made public since what was originally found around 2007—not to discredit Jim and Bill's hard work in putting those books together, it's just some of what we knew then isn't entirely correct now.
* And finally, the colours (which was the big thing some people were against). Unlike the handful of fan-coloured models that were originally uploaded to the wiki in the past, which eye dropped colors straight from poor quality episode masters, DM's colours are based directly on Toei and Marvel Productions' model colour guides, colour codes, charts, colour chips found by a member of the ''Dragon Ball'' fandom (who has scanned and digitized said colour chips) and other original production materials, meaning that the colours DM has used are all coming from the ''original'' original source.

An alternative Mr. Rald had brought up on Discord is that we could possibly look at using the uncoloured model line art instead, if people feel strongly against using fan-coloured works, but I think in order to present the G1 character models fully as references, you kinda need the colours included, especially given how poor the cartoon production was, what with all the animation errors (even in Toei episodes) etc, making it hard to gather decent references for the characters, which is mostly what these galleries are for.

Also, for the record, DM has given us permission to use his colourings on the wiki.

Let me know you thoughts. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 01:39, 6 April 2022 (EDT)

: I personally think that we should use DM's coloured models, they are as official as coloured models are going to get, and it's not like DM just randomly picked and chose want colours to use as FOCS said. We could just have the model and the colour guide, but at that point, just have the model sheet coloured. I would however be in favour of the uncoloured models with colour guides and the sheets with the fully coloured models to cover all our bases. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 11:16 AM, 6 April 2022 (PDT)

== Making a page for the Unreal Engine? ==

War for Cybertron, Dark of the Moon (PS3/X360), Fall of Cybertron, and Rise of the Dark Spark all run on Unreal Engine, specifically Unreal Engine 3. Why isn't there a page for it. It could have good info on those wanting to mod those games.

Unrelated, but there's a server revival project being worked on for those games. Right now it's only on PC, and progress is slow, but should we include info for it in the pages for those games? It's not official btw, there's a Discord server for it and a few YouTube vids about it.[[User:Trashatron|Trashatron]] ([[User talk:Trashatron|talk]]) 17:29, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I'm not sure what information we could put on an Unreal Engine page that would be useful to modders. An Unreal Engine page would be general info on the engine and a list of games which use it. Diving into technical details isn't really something we do. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:52, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I think linking to {{W|Unreal Engine|Wikipedia}} should be sufficient. That's what I did when I ''unfortunately'' had to document the Funko NFTs. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 19:11, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I don't see what value there would be to this. Unreal warrants, at ''most'', a mention on the relevant game pages. We don't have pages for every program used to make every piece of TF media/product. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:33, 24 March 2022 (EDT)

== Category for characters with no established gender ==

So I just had this idea and decided to share it here because why not? We have categories for female characters and variable gender characters but not for characters with undetermined genders. Many BotBots for example don't have genders and I think this category could be a useful way of grouping them together. And who knows, maybe someday it could even help official creators specifically looking for genderless characters to establish a gender to them. Does anyone agree to implement this category? -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 19:06, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
:This concept has been discussed before in the past, and generally the feeling has been that this would be a bit too much like the wiki actively trying to shape canon. Don't get me wrong, creators taking advantage of characters with no official pronouns is neat and I'm all for it, but IMO the wiki shouldn't directly serve up them. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 19:26, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
::Interestingly, I can't seem to find a prior community portal discussion about this matter, though I know it has come up on the Discord server more than once, to the conclusion Jalaguy mentioned. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 19:35, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
:::Just to clarify, I thought of "official creators using it" as a quick example in favor of the category, but now I can totally see how it sounded like trying to influence canon too much. Regardless, I'd still be down for having the category if we agreed on it being useful for any other reason. -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 19:51, 3 April 2022 (EDT)

== Category for trans characters ==

We had a productive conversation about the no established gender thing on the wiki discord and it made me realize that there should be a transgender category for the five established trans characters that there are so far, Arcee (who has established trans characterization on two different pages), Howlback, Arcadis, Anode, and Lug. Jalaguy mentioned that this has been discussed and people thought it was a good idea but it hasn't happened, so I just thought I'd ask for go-ahead on this. I figured that transgender rather than just trans could be a good word to use for this, due to them all being people who have gender. The term trans is merely more broad and could cover different kinds of transness than that or aesthetic stuff that is similar to gender, but we have no confirmation of being there yet in canon. Thus I think transgender would be the most accurate and desirable term here, and the umbrella trans can always be tacked on later if we need to. --[[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 5:40PM 3 April 2022 (PDT) (edited 5:48PM PDT for clarity)
:Seconded. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 5:53 PM, 3 April 2022 (PDT)
::Since there are no objections, I'll go ahead. :3 -- [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 4:19AM, 11 April 2022 (PDT)

==Streamlining disambig headers (revist)==
So I remember this conversation from last year about streamlining the disambiguation headers. I checked back on the talk page discussion (link to said discussion archive here https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive69#Streamlining_disambig_headers) to see what happened and even though there was a lot of people who liked the idea with some who did not, it did not seem like it went anywhere. I thought I'd see if anyone else would like to revisit this idea as I feel like this would streamline things more, especially for Movie and Aligned and maybe a bit of UT especially for the guys who show up in all 3 shows or those don't have other bots who are completely different sharing the same name within the trilogy. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 9:01 PM, 12 April 2022 (PDT)

== Disambig tags and suites for Masterforce paired pages ==

We need to balance out our page titles for ''Masterforce'' human + transtector character pairs. Right now we have among extant pages and tentative redlinks:

Bullhorn (G1), Cab (human), Cancer (G1), Clouder, Ginrai (human), Shūta Gō, Lightfoot (G1), Minerva (human), Ranger, Road King, Wilder (G1)

Bullhorn (robot), Cab (robot), Cancer (robot), [something], Ginrai (robot), Goshooter, Lightfoot (robot), Minerva (G1 robot), Ranger (robot), Road King (robot), Wilder (robot)

I propose either we do human gets no species tag with the robot getting a species tag as the splinter page:

Bullhorn (G1) | Bullhorn (G1)/robot

or the human does get a species tag to equally balance with the robot:

Bullhorn (G1)/human | Bullhorn (G1)/robot

This would eliminate the need to have any longer-within-parentheses tag like "Minerva (G1 robot)" which would be affected by future continuities which may not yet have happened. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:55, 22 April 2022 (EDT)
:I would prefer either the human gets the "default" continuity tag with no further disambiguation or (human)/(robot) (with needed variations for disambiguation). The slash system is ugly to me. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:59, 22 April 2022 (EDT)
::I'm of the opinion that the slash option for both feels the most fair. While the human versions were the first and thus feel the most deserving of the "default" tag, the robot versions are likely to become more commonplace and relevant as newer fiction dips its toes into using more Japanese characters. On a similar note, it was decided not to give the "BW" tag to either BW Silverbolt out of fairness, so while a similar "human/robot" concept could be implemented, there is the problem with Minerva having an Animated counterpart who is also a robot, Cancer having an Animated counterpart who is also a human, there being a Kre-O Bullhorn who is also a robot, a G.I. Joe Lightfoot who is also a human, and an IDW Wilder who is also a human. "Minerva (Headmaster)" also doesn't work for the G1 robot since the human was a Headmaster too. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 16:29, 22 April 2022 (EDT)
::The slash system may not be entirely visually pleasant, but I consider having "Minerva (G1 robot)" in parentheses worse. In my proposal, all transtector characters would be unified symmetrically as "(robot)". [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 17:47, 24 April 2022 (EDT)

Here are three proposals to unify the namespaces:

Possibility 1: humans get nothing and robots get slashes

Bullhorn (G1), Cab, Cancer (G1), Clouder, Ginrai, Shūta Gō, Lightfoot (G1), Minerva (G1), Ranger, Road King, Wilder (G1)

Bullhorn (G1)/robot, Cab/robot, Cancer (G1)/robot, Doubleclouder, Ginrai/robot, Goshooter, Lightfoot (G1)/robot, Minerva (G1)/robot, Ranger/robot, Road King/robot, Wilder (G1)/robot

Possibility 2: both humans and robots get slashes

Bullhorn (G1)/human, Cab/human, Cancer (G1)/human, Clouder/human, Ginrai/human, Shūta Gō/human, Lightfoot (G1)/human, Minerva (G1)/human, Ranger/human, Road King/human, Wilder (G1)/human

Bullhorn (G1)/robot, Cab/robot, Cancer (G1)/robot, Doubleclouder, Ginrai/robot, Goshooter, Lightfoot (G1)/robot, Minerva (G1)/robot, Ranger/robot, Road King/robot, Wilder (G1)/robot

Possibility 3: both humans and robots get parentheses

Bullhorn (G1 human), Cab (human), Cancer (G1 human), Clouder, Ginrai (human), Shūta Gō, Lightfoot (G1 human), Minerva (G1 human), Ranger (human), Road King (human), Wilder (G1 human)

Bullhorn (G1 robot), Cab (robot), Cancer (G1 robot), Doubleclouder, Ginrai (robot), Goshooter, Lightfoot (G1 robot), Minerva (G1 robot), Ranger (robot), Road King (robot), Wilder (G1 robot)

Thoughts? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 01:12, 12 June 2022 (EDT)
:Isn't Option 1 one basically just a slightly different version of what we're already using and what you're proposing to change in the first place? Anyway, like I said above, Option 2 is the most fair between the human and robot depictions (as Option 1 feels like we're saying "The human versions are the more important versions" when it's the robot versions that are more likely to get any representation in future comic appearances), and it reduces the amount of multiple-word parentheses tags that we usually dislike using and try to avoid as best we can (which is the exact opposite of what Option 3 is proposing). Though, drop the "/human" from Clouder and Shūta Gō since their names already differ from "Doubleclouder" and "Goshooter". No need to complicate those two. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 08:45, 12 June 2022 (EDT)

==Transformers: Armada (Trading Card Collection)==
I recently discovered that Fleer published a Trading Card collection in 2003 for Transformers Armada.
I've documented everything I could find about it - including an Energon (preview) Scorponok card I got from a local retro game store.
[[Iacon0/Sandbox]]
Is it alright if I roll this out? [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 12:52, 1 May 2022 (EDT)

== WFC/FOC Reenergized Server Project info? ==

Info: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLO5yzrWE9yVT56Rgxl9oqntVysxWr2k7e

Basically, it brings back the multiplayer servers for the Cybertron games, PC and PS3. Should this be talked about in the pages for those games? (ROTDS and ROTF aren't online at the moment, and 360 versions won't have support) [[User:Trashatron|Trashatron]] ([[User talk:Trashatron|talk]])}
:It's not official, so no, it shouldn't. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 14:54, 27 June 2022 (EDT)

== Handling of "former GoBots" and "former Diaclone" characters on the wiki ==

So recently we've been seeing multiple characters that had previously been portrayed as dimension-hoppers from non-Transformers realities, but using Transformers designs — [[Bug Bite (GoBots)]], [[Burn Out (Diaclone)]] and [[Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)]] — appearing as "normal" Transformers ([[Bug Bite (G1)]], [[Burn Out (Diaclone)]], [[Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)]]). There's some heavy dispute over whether we should put them on the same page or split them out (e.g. "since the GoBots Bug Bite isn't ''originally'' from a G1 universe, he shouldn't go on the G1 Bug Bite page), so I thought we should probably have a centralised place to put together a comprehensive set of standards.

My take, personally, is that GoBots and Diaclone are *not* continuity families, they're their own properties that happen to cross over with Transformers, and so shouldn't be split on that basis. I feel that Burn Out and Lift-Ticket, regardless of them being portrayed as Diaclone mecha in their initial appearance, are the same basic concept as the likes of Road Rage and Tigertrack — "Transformers versions" of existing Diaclone toys and decoes. It helps that [[Spin-Out (G1)]] inherently blurs the lines, having first appeared as a "normal" Transformer ''before'' he was portrayed as a former Diaclone mech.

For the GoBots characters, I'd frankly be tempted to go even more radical and just merge ''all'' of them — put all the [[Cy-Kill (disambiguation)|Cy-Kill]] cameos on one page, like we do for other external property characters. Even in the edge cases like [[Fracture (Movie)|Fracture]], there's the precedent of her actually being intended as just ''being'' the GoBot. It feels a lot simpler to me than the headache of having Bug Bite, the white Bumblebee who appeared in G1 stories, and Bug Bite, the ''other'' white Bumblebee who appeared in G1 stories, having separate pages on a technicality. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:57, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:Hard disagree on GoBots. By virtue of covering the Scioli comic in full, we have a GoBots continuity family to put them in. I say keep the ones who are explicitly GoBots at (GoBots), and put the ones who are Transformers (or ambiguous) at their respective continuity families. Basically, what we're doing for Bug Bite, do for all of them. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:23, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:I don't agree on movie-Fracture in specific and the mass-merge of ''all'' GoBots-based characters in general. Fracture's a movie-universe character who premiered in a movie-based toyline and appeared in movie-timeline fiction. "The toy was originally conceived as" holds very little water there in light of all the rest of that. I'm not wild about merging characters from different continuity families (aka "major franchise umbrellas", the point of that divide was always less "fiction-detail based" and more "real-world Hasbro/Takara starting over based" as an organizational tool), as that leans heavily towards the Wikipedia style "just lump 'em all together" manner that... doesn't really work for our scope. There's SG Bug Bite and Crasher too, I don't think they should go under a giant singular page for the character concept.
: But ''in general'' I agree with keeping stuff like Lift-Ticket and Burn Out together because the distinction is really too nitpicky to be useful. If we get an EarthSpark Lift-Ticket who is a red Hoist-like bot, then they can go on a separate page because "new major franchise umbrella" gives a decent degree of separation. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:25, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:: Oh, well, the SG GoBots are an obvious exception. If it's a "mirror universe" I feel like it should never share a page because the point is that it's the opposite.
:: That said, there are other nuances I admit I skimmed over — stuff like Wings Universe Cop-Tur, who's based on the original but is a secret genius and a good guy, I'm not sure he should be merged in. At the same time, though, splitting the Bug Bites feels disingenuous, and I'm not sure whether there's a good middle ground between "split 'em all" and "merge 'em all". --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 20:44, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:::I also agree there isn't really a good middle ground. But here's the thing: If GoBots wasn't a factor and it was just G1 and Cyberverse, we wouldn't be having this conversation. At the end of the day, they're from another IP, but they're also genuine Transformers characters, and thus they should remain split like other Transformers characters. And that includes treating the genuine GoBot incarnations as separate entities. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:51, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:::I am, honestly, not sold either way on splitting/merging re: the "very distinctly the Tonka GoBots who originated from the Tonka GoBots franchise". I feel that there are '''''definitely''''' some bots that should not be merged with the Tonkas, by virtue of being from different continuity-families/hub-franchises (bots from the live action movies and Cyberverse, for example, should really stay separate). I'm less concerned about "in-fiction origin" because that's a clusterfuck all its own since 1984 best just left alone and we already disregard that for like Nebulans and stuff anyway, though I'd also argue that like, it should be taken into consideration the diff between an homage and an iteration (I'd argue ''Timelines'' Cop-Tur is the former and probably shouldn't be merged). But even just looking at them from the real-world staggered integration of the franchises, GoBots ARE a weird edge case (whaaat, something Scioli was involved in got weird? ''nnnoooOOOOOooooo'') and it kinda feels off to not treat them as a separate thing given their ultimate origins. But like, they are, functionally, "G1" characters as far as "how they were brought to TF" goes in the real world, and I'm not convinced that splitting out WFC Bug Bite is really a good idea or terribly helpful. So like, I dunno. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 02:06, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
::::And then there's the ''very'' unique case of GoBots Stretch having been given a retroactive backstory of being born in the world of Transformers Animated before he crossed dimensions and became a GoBot. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 02:23, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
:::::If anything, Stretch is a Transformer pretending to be a GoBot.
:::::The criteria that keep this wiki running and readable have always had some smudgy bits, and if you stare too long at any of them pretty soon all one sees is the smudge, not the dividing line or even the story itself. Cyberverse and Prime are each ''basically'' a retelling of G1, and if they didn't have a few features we've accepted as clear dividers from "real" G1, they could have gone within G1 just as much as the IDW comics have. The divisions are necessary to keep information from being a useless, unstructured, unnavigable mess; hopefully we can draw the lines in a way that comes to require the fewest exceptions later. '''My thoughts''': when there's a Bug Bite whose origin is explicitly "I'm not a Transformer, I'm hiding among them, creatures like myself find Transformers to be nauseating uncanny valley aliens," then that's a pretty extreme division, more extreme than many others we've been holding up for years without controversy, and should stay very much separate from any other Bug Bites who are just plain ol' white car Transformers. The various Cy-Kill cameos in G1 and Armada should stay separate, just because that's how we handle other hi-and-die cameos across firm storyline borders (Animated Overlord, SG Krok). I agreed at first with splitting the Burnouts/Lift-Tickets, but if it is really causing a huge dilemma I do not object to re-merging them. Each pair exists within the G1 storytelling universe. It is not essential that we build 2 different pages for G1 universe Lift-Tickets where one of them is a Diaclone mech and the other looks just like it and comes from someplace called Diaclone. We could paper that over with a "Note" explanation. The really important part is that both the Burn-Out and Lift-Ticket cases must get the same resolution. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 05:10, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
:I vote for split. I regret ever pushing for merging similar concepts around the time of ''Ask Vector Prime'' because a decade ago this wouldn't have been a question, it would have been settled with "obvious they're different characters." [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:38, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:Strongly in favor of putting the Diaclones back together so long as they remain essentially G1 guys. Especially since we now have ''two nigh-identical Burn-Out pages that differ only by which sliver of fiction section they possess''. Moderately in favor of putting all the dumb Cy-Kill cameos together because, like, it's only moderately funny to split out Cy-Kill (Armada) on a technicality. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:47, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:: I'm going to stay out of the Bugbite / Fracture question. I'm too involved on the creative side. I think Walky nails it about Burn-Out & Lift-Ticket. And probably the Cy-Kill cameos too. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 21:11, 29 July 2022 (EDT)

:I have to ask: if this is a concern, why did we split out the Cloud articles a month ago. Because they also are clearly designed to look like G1 characters, and aside from some minor changes in personality and dimension hopping stuff (which also applies to these three examples here), are near-identical in fiction to their Generation 1 counterparts. What makes them different from Bug Bite, Burn Out, and Lift-Ticket? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:29, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
::Lead Cloud translator here. As we discussed in-depth at the time, the Cloud characters do nothing *but* dimension hop and frequently cross over with the Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity and their own G1 incarnations, rendering them nigh unintelligible when buried in A-list G1 articles. The Cloud issue was one of logistics and readability, not one on the philosophy of intrinsic "G1-ness," as I believe was said at the time. I would also argue something on the scale of Cloud is a different discussion entirely from the current topic of merging two one-paragraph articles.

::On a most practical level re-merging a thoroughly deliberated and reasonably large scale split from a couple months ago just strikes me as kind of a waste of community resources.

::For those that missed it the impetus was translating the other 80-90% of the prose and the discussion can be found [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#Splitting_Cloud_characters|here]]. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:40, 30 July 2022 (EDT)

Had a brainwave about a potential way to handle the GoBots characters—as a compromise between "treating them like full Transformers characters" and "treating them like external properties", use the GoBots page as a "hub" for the others. I've mocked up a couple of sandboxes for [[User:Riptide/Sandbox:Cy-Kill|Cy-Kill]] and [[User:Riptide/Sandbox:Bug Bite|Bug Bite]]. Any thoughts? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:16, 31 July 2022 (EDT)
:If we absolutely have to (which I still really don't agree with) I'd prefer this over full fledged merging. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:02, 31 July 2022 (EDT)
:I think this is a good compromise. The important thing is that there's a clear delineation between the dimension-hopping GoBots and native Cybertronians, and I think this fits the bill. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:03, 31 July 2022 (EDT)
::I still don't like the idea of rolling in the ''Cyberverse'' Bug Bite or any other not-G1-franchise iterations on the GB character concepts (like movieverse Fracture), even in the proposed super-abridged-and-linked-to-main-article format. For the appearances within the franchise of TF-origin, sure, I think this works. Cy-Kill's multiverse of murder... ehn. I'm not really feeling strongly either way but like we got hi-then-die charcater micropages aplenty, I don't think Cy is something terribly unique to not get them. Like... we got a page for "the many deaths of Optimus Prime", I feel like "the many deaths of Cy-Kill" could probably stand to be its own thing if we REALLY wanted to hammer the point of how stupid and hack it is home. Which, come to think about it, I kinda DO. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:42, 31 July 2022 (EDT)
:::Ah, see, Fracture was something I was specifically thinking of here — I thought it would work to accomodate both the original intent and how she's been tied back to Crasher in <s>Jim's nonsense</s> fan-targeted media while still respecting the practical reality of Fracture as her own, movieverse character. That said, I do understand your reluctance, so if the majority is against this I'm not too fussed. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:22, 1 August 2022 (EDT)
:::Yeah, it feels like "Bug Bite, the white Bumblebee" is its own Transformers thing at this point. He may have originated as a GoBots transplant (both in real life and in fiction), but that doesn't automatically make every iteration of Bug Bite a GoBot, any more than every subsequent iteration of Lockdown or Lugnut is considered an Animated character. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 04:34, 1 August 2022 (EDT)
::::I appreciate the work Riptide put into this and like the writing / presentation style employed... and I just still don't think it's necessary. Between disambigs and "You Look Familiar...", we already have ways to cope with characters who look alike across different continuities but who aren't the same character. Most of these transplanted GoBots are absolutely not the same characters as each other - most of the Cy-Kill cameos, Cyberverse Bug Bite. There is no need for us to build a new way to unite those cross-continuity characters when nothing unites them more than the "basic concepts" that we've kept separate on hundreds of other name / appearance reuses. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 08:43, 1 August 2022 (EDT)
::I adore this brain blast, over and above what I proposed below (as it actually accommodates, in Cy-Kill's case, say, the ''Armada/TransTech/Animated'' cameos), and think the fact that people on both sides of this polarising issue aren't immediately opposed to it makes it strike me as a really good compromise. I still would prefer the ''Diaclone'' pages to be merged with their G1 counterparts, but whether or not it's a full merge or just the "main article" structure here, the intro phrasing proposed with Cy-Kill and Bug-Bite is perfect in my opinion. The key thing for me is that, when people look up info on Cy-Kill or Burn Out, they still find a pointer to the relevant information at the exact point they'd expect it to be, and not only that, but they can chart the entire conceptual history of the character on one page (I know the disambigs theoretically do the same, but in practise Jo's approach is much more effective). Assuming the same policy isn't applied to ''Uprising'' appearances, I still think something should be done about those—but otherwise I'd be very happy with this. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 06:16, 1 August 2022 (EDT)

So as I understand it, the consensus is that Diaclone characters should share a page with their G1 counterparts, and that — at least for the moment — GoBot characters should be left as-is, with White Bumblebee's G1 adventures split between the GoBot and G1 pages? Would appreciate some more input before we begin implementing this. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:09, 2 August 2022 (EDT)
:I still don't like the Diaclone thing but clearly I'm outvoted. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:48, 2 August 2022 (EDT)
:More or less. I'm fine with rolling G1 WFC Bug Bite in with the explicitly-GoBots one in the manner test-bedded above on the same grounds as the whole "Nebulan/Cybertronian" deal with Targetmaster gun-bots we've done forever; I think the proposed format both works with the way we've handled disparate depictions between different fictions within the same franchise chunk for a very long time now while noting the important real-world issues with these transplanted characters. And it's not like the combo page would be anywhere near big enough to make a split-out necessary. But I'm willing to table that for the moment while moving ahead with rolling the Diaclones back in. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:15, 2 August 2022 (EDT)
::I agree with this completely. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 08:11, 3 August 2022 (EDT)
:Diaclone characters should share pages with G1 counterparts who are also canonically said to be Diaclone-y. If we ever get a "Gobots Universe Bug Bite" that would be merged too - but just "white car Bug Bite" should not. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:21, 3 August 2022 (EDT)

==Proposal re: G1 pages==
I'm not expecting anything other than a hard "no" on this from the vast majority of editors, but a few people impelled me to post it, so here goes. In particular, I think this perspective is one held by many casual readers of the wiki. As I said over on [[Talk:Burn Out (Diaclone)|Burn Out's talk page]], I think both camps feel a sense of "''obviously'' these are (not) the same character", depending on whether they're coming from a strictly in-universe perspective or not. I want to put that whole discussion into an even broader perspective. Plus, I think the list of characters below is an interesting resource in its own right.

For ages, the wiki's had it so G1 appearances of characters originating in ''Robots in Disguise''—such as [[Sky-Byte (RID)]]—just get put on those pages. My understanding is that RID was considered something of a special case, because of how it was originally conceived as an in-continuity G1 thing, and remained such in Japanese continuity. For a less-prominent example, see also ''[[Power Core Combiners]]'', which similarly lists the IDW G1 appearances of [[Smolder (PCC)]] and [[Steamhammer (PCC)]] just on those pages. Again, this was a special case, because PCC was never concretely established as being a live-action movieverse thing or a G1 thing (which makes sense, because in Hasbro's eyes at the time, that wasn't a distinction that mattered to them).

There are other areas on the wiki that take a continuity-agnostic approach; I think it's just character pages that are handled so strictly. Check out [[Noisemaze Mass Production Type Version]]—which honestly ''is'' a character page in every way that matters—for a recently-made-relevant-again example. For many bigger-picture concept pages, a similar approach is used to great effect: [[Transformation]], [[Scanning]], [[Energon]], [[Protoform]], [[Spark]], [[Living metal]], [[Mini-Con]], [[Energon mutation]], just to grab a few random examples.

To draw attention to one last point, which I predict will resonate a lot with people who already agree with me and not at all with people who don't: any and all ''Beast Wars'' or ''Beast Machines'' original characters are exempt from this issue—despite, on a real-world level, there not really being any difference between those franchises and the likes of ''Armada'' or ''Animated''. It's just the lore connection that keeps it tethered, despite the wiki treating it as its ''own'' continuity family in basically every other way that matters.

My specific proposal is this: '''for characters originating ''outside of G1'', don't keep separate G1 pages.''' Treat those characters as we do Sky-Byte, ignoring the "continuity family" divide, and put the appearances on the page where they're most relevant. Here are the salient benefits of this approach:
*Have all the information on many popular post-G1 characters in the place where most casual readers would expect to look.
*Cut the Gordian knot of the GoBots/Diaclone debate.
*Finally ditch all those (BWU) pages consisting of a single sentence and a duplicated toy entry.
*Fewer redundant toy writeups which need to be maintained in parallel.
*Far, far fewer awkward paragraphs in Notes sections talking about "continuity transplants" like those are a real thing.

Here is a list of pages which I think would be affected, sorted by continuity, just from an hour or so of searching:
*'''''Diaclone''''': [[Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)]], [[Burn Out (Diaclone)]]
*'''''GoBots''''': [[Bug Bite (G1)]], [[Crasher (G1)]], [[Cy-Kill (G1)]], [[Leader-1 (G1)]], [[Rest-Q (G1)]], [[Cop-Tur (G1)]] (!)
*'''''Armada''''': [[Hot Shot (G1)]], [[Red Alert (IDW)]], [[Demolisher (G1)]], [[Tidal Wave (G1)]], [[Sideways (RM)]] (!), [[Treadshot (IDW)]]
*'''''Energon''''': [[Steam Hammer]], [[Doom-Lock (BWU)]], [[Avalon (BWU)]]
*'''''Cybertron''''': [[Override (BWU)]], [[Ransack (IDW)]], [[Wing Saber (BWU)]], [[Cannonball (G1)]], [[Signal Lancer (G1)]], [[Shortround (BWU)]]
*'''Movies''': [[Barricade (IDW)]], [[Black-Out]], [[Reckage]], [[Hatchet (BWU)]], [[Breacher (G1)]], [[Terradive (G1)]], [[Hailstorm (G1)]], [[Skipjack (BWU)]], [[Sea Spray (BWU)]], [[Fearswoop (BWU)]], [[Depthcharge (BWU)]], [[Rav (BWU)]], [[Evac (BWU)]], [[Drydock (BWU)]], [[Photon (BWU)]]
*'''''Animated''''': [[Bulkhead (G1)]] (!), [[Lugnut (TF 2010)]], [[Lockdown (G1)]], [[Slipstream (G1)]] (!), [[Oil Slick (G1)]], [[Lightbright (G1)]], [[Lickety-Split (G1)]]
*'''''TransTech''''': [[Ego (BWU)]]
*'''''War for Cybertron''''': [[Contrail (BWU)]], [[Sigil (BWU)]], [[Halogen (G1)]], [[Gauntlet (BWU)]]
*'''''Prime''''': [[Knock Out (G1)]], [[Breakdown (IDW)]], [[Airachnid (G1)]], [[Predaking (Kingdom)]], [[Ser-Ket (BWU)]], [[Rot Gut (BWU)]], [[Twinstrike (BWU)]], [[Gaidora (BWU)]], [[Budora (BWU)]], [[Darksteel (BWU)]], [[Vertebreak (BWU)]], [[Grimwing (BWU)]], [[Blackbeak (BWU)]], [[Judora (BWU)]]
*'''''Rescue Bots''''': [[Medix (G1)]]
*'''''Robots in Disguise''''': [[Strongarm (G1)]], [[Thunderhoof (BWU)]], [[Bisk (BWU)]], [[Paralon (BWU)]], [[Quillfire (BWU)]], [[Scatterspike (G1)]], [[Ped (BWU)]], [[Psychobat (BWU)]], [[Headlock (G1)]], [[Springload (BWU)]], [[Transit (G1)]], [[Fracture (Cybertron)]], [[Snitch (BWU)]], [[Razorgrille (BWU)]]
*'''''Cyberverse''''': [[Shadow Striker (G1)]], [[Croaton (G1)]], [[Meteorfire (G1)]], [[Wildwheel (G1)]]
*'''''Transformers Online''''': [[Doomwings (G1)]], [[Ursa Major (G1)]], [[Astral Knight (BWU)]], [[Psychic Shortstop (BWU)]], [[Wrath Thunder (BWU)]], [[Deep Blue (BWU)]]
*'''Mini-Cons''': (deep breath) [[Synapse (BWU)]], [[Black Out]], [[Twirl (G1)]], [[Steamhammer (BWU)]], [[Sky Blast (G1)]], [[Sureshock (G1)]], [[Flat-Out (BWU)]], [[Six-Speed (BWU)]], [[Zapmaster (BWU)]], [[Crumplezone (BWU)]], [[Cannon (BWU)]], [[Bulge (BWU)]], [[Bomb (BWU)]], [[Shot (BWU)]], [[Crack (BWU)]], [[Thunderblast (BWU)]], [[Wreckage (BWU)]], [[Bonecrusher (BWU)]], [[Broadside (BWU)]], [[Tankor (BWU)]], [[Caliburn (BWU)]], [[Torque (BWU)]], [[Bilge (BWU)]], [[Search (BWU)]], [[Refute (BWU)]], [[Kingbolt (BWU)]], [[Starcatcher (BWU)]], [[Clench (BWU)]], [[Run-Over (BWU)]], [[Deepdive (BWU)]], [[Astro-Sinker (BWU)]], [[Snow Cat (BWU)]], [[Draft (BWU)]], [[Screw (BWU)]], [[Aston (BWU)]] (deep sigh)
*'''Other''': [[Terrastar (BWU)]], [[Hyperborea (BWU)]], [[Alchemor (BWU)]], [[Minion of Unicron (BWU)]]
I assuredly missed some, so feel free to edit the lists above to add any other characters that would be affected by this proposal which are omitted!

Again, the vast majority of these are from ''Beast Wars Uprising'', which does have some weird lingering cases that would need further individual discussion, I think: [[Clobber (BWU)]], [[Apex (BWU)]], [[Offshoot (BWU)]], [[Cybaxx (BWU)]], [[Overbite (BWU)]], and [[Terrorcon (BWU)]]. But for the most part, I really don't see any reason why there should be all these tiny nothing pages; the only reason all those Mini-Cons were not called Mini-Cons is that in the ''Uprising'' universe, Mini-Cons are called Micromasters instead (which is the lore equivalent of "[[Barricade (G1)]] doesn't look like he's made of knives"). This is even ''less'' an irreconcilable lore detail than, for example, the organic/robotic split for Targetmasters and the like. My main goal with sharing this is to revisit the ''Uprising'' policy, because from where I'm sitting, it's resulted in exactly the same horribly inconvenient setup as the ''Diaclone'' stuff. A different, specific policy there would deal with most of the examples above, and I'd be very happy; what I've suggested is just a one-size-fits-all policy.

The weirdest victim of this stated policy, I think, is that of [[Bulkhead (G1)]], who technically originated with Animated, but whose appearances in G1 media have all drawn specifically from the ''Prime'' version. [[Slipstream (G1)]] is in a similar situation. I guess my proposal here would be to actually split the G1 content across the various pages: [[Slipstream (Animated)]], [[Slipstream (WFC)]] and [[Slipstream (Cyberverse)]], depending on which specific version is being depicted. That means all of the Bulkhead appearances would actually go on the ''Prime'' page. I really don't feel strongly on this detail, though. [[Cop-Tur (G1)]], as mentioned in the above discussion, is another edge case. One more strange case ''not'' listed above is that of [[Emissary (IDW)]], who homages the ''Robots in Disguise'' character but genuinely has what I'd consider to be a radically different portrayal, likely inspired as much by the ''Titans Return'' figure as anything.

To be clear, I consider G1 a special case because of how it's a catch-all label for anything that isn't Hasbro's newest ground-up reboot du jour. Like it or not, G1 usually doesn't actually mean "G1" any more, it just means ''Transformers''. I absolutely wouldn't want to start merging anything from other continuity families—that way pure madness lies. But I think this proposal has clear-cut criteria for inclusion, and would feel more consistent with other areas of existing wiki policy. To give a specific, relevant example: I don't think [[Fracture (Movie)]]'s appearances should be folded onto her merged ''GoBots'' page as some have suggested, ''but'' I do think her toy writeup should be on both without any "blah blah repurposed" hedging, and likewise for the other movieverse characters based on redecos designed by [[Joe Kyde]] contemporaneously with Classics and Universe with specific G1 characters (mostly Micromasters) in mind, some of which were even intended to be released as part of the ''Universe'' toyline. These being: [[Fracture (Movie)]], [[Big Daddy (Movie)]], [[Jolt (Movie)]], [[Grindcore (Movie)]], [[Breakaway (Movie)]], and [[Crankcase (Movie)]]. [[Mudflap (Movie)]] and [[Inferno (Movie)]] are basically the exact same but nobody ever talks about that.

Finally, I think [[Gigatron (G1)]]/[[Overlord (G1)]], [[Zaptrap]]/[[Kuwagatrer]], and [[Rotorbolt (Timelines)]]/[[Skyklik]]/[[Fumes]] should prrrooobably be revisited? In the former two cases, they exist due to niche media establishing them as separate individuals within the same continuity, but we already have precedent for dealing with that—see [[Hot Shot (G1)]]. I will concede that the Rotorbolt situation is quite funny.

I understand that the wiki is structured the way it is for good reasons, but the post-[[Evergreen]] state of the franchise is one where most writers are plucking characters from anywhere in the franchise's history without any significant changes to their depiction. The existing policy will only become more cumbersome as time goes on, in my eyes—I know for many editors, the list of pages above is a horrible scary list of Exceptions, but from where I'm sitting, they feel more like exceptions as they already stand? —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 07:25, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
:As someone who is basically sympathetic to your goals and not knee-jerk opposed to the idea, this:
:::"Slipstream (G1) is in a similar situation. I guess my proposal here would be to actually split the G1 content across the various pages: Slipstream (Animated), Slipstream (WFC) and Slipstream (Cyberverse), depending on which specific version is being depicted."
:is the worst thing I've ever read. Just, why? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 08:14, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
::I was mostly being glib, I don't have a good answer there! Just wanted to draw attention to the fact that it ''would'' be a problem with the proposal. It's also been pointed out that all of [[Lockdown (G1)|Lockdown]]'s appearances are visually based on the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' toy! —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 08:56, 30 July 2022 (EDT)

:Absolutely not. There's so much here that's based on false assumptions/incorrect information that I absolutely refuse to take any of this seriously. Concepts are on the same page because they are just that: concepts. There's so much to pick apart here but because I have important things to do, I'll just say that right now, the only reason why there was ''ever'' any confusion over Power Core Combiners is because fans took behind the scenes information from the company overly literally. You actually look at the one piece of information about the toyline (the brief history provided directly by Hasbro the club) and it makes it abundantly clear that it was always meant to be movieverse; I even argued back at the time about Smoulder and Steamhammer being put on that page, and the only reason why it's still that way is because the argument just fizzled out. And once again, I really have to ask: why the hell are we pushing forward merges based on "vibes" when we still keep the Sideways' (someone who is actually said in fiction to all be the same guy) apart based on moronic, petty reasons? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:01, 30 July 2022 (EDT)

:Yeah, no, sorry, I think this is ultimately unhelpful and going to cause more accessibility issues than it solves. "The wiki sorts the brand into broad franchise-based chunks (G1/BW, UT, movie, etc), and characters are split up by which of those chunks they appeared in" is perhaps a little confusing to new readers, but it's ultimately fairly self-consistent and easy to navigate once you understand the basic concept; "The wiki sorts the brand into broad franchise-based chunks (G1/BW, UT, movie, etc), and characters are split up by which of those chunks they appeared in, with the exception of RID01 which shares its pages with G1, and any latter-day characters imported into G1, which go on the pages of their non-G1 incarnations" is very confusing and requires you to be deep in the sauce to understand which characters are and are not exceptions to the rule. I obviously think that flexibility of the system is a good thing — the RID/G1 merge, while less than ideal, is definitely the best way to solve a very unintuitive issue — but the more holes we poke in the tower the closer it comes to collapsing, if you catch my drift.
:Ultimately I think the occasional silliness of "Shadow Striker (G1) who is identical to Shadow Striker (Cyberverse)" and such is the price we pay for having any structure whatsoever. The more we make exceptions on the basis of ultimately arbitrary "well this one's SO similar" the less consistent the wiki overall gets, and the harder it gets to navigate. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 09:40, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
::Basically, this. And I don't even think that drawing the franchise-based chunk distinction is all that confusing given I think most people grok the idea that characters will pop up across sub-fictions of major multi-media franchises with varying levels of similarity to prior incarnations that are still "oh, it's a wholly separate storyline, okay". That's just how these things ''do''. (and like "multiverse" has kinda become a ''thing'' in other franchises the last several years) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 10:00, 30 July 2022 (EDT)

:"We've always put RID guys appearing in G1 as still being the RID character, look at Sky Byte" - what other examples make this an "always"? There WERE two Sky Byte pages, for years. We only stopped having a Sky-Byte (G2) when its character model in the IDW G1 comic was explicitly based off the new T30 toy sculpt which wound up with like half of these separate articles duplicating each other. It was argued on that talk page for a long while. The only other case I can think of at all is Gigatron (G1), and we ''don't'' treat him like Megatron (RID).
:"We treat BW as a continuity family like Armada, it looks like we are showing favoritism to them" - we treat it like a franchise within G1, which is what it is. And we disambig by franchise, not by continuity family. "Chase (RB)", not "Chase (Aligned)" or "Chase (Prime)". This was one of the concerns I raised last year when we turned Victory, Masterforce et al into G1 because they had no separate box branding of their own, wait it turned out they did, welp whattaya gonna do, no backsies.
:'''Last but MOST''', I'd say that, yes, "lore connections" mean a great deal here, it is a feature not a bug. This is a fiction-centric wiki as surely as it's an English-centric one. We put character writeups first, above the toys. We give the toys the character names and say "his stickers", not "its stickers" and talk about how it represents the character, not about how many micrograms of silicon it contains. Separating characters because they come from different storyline eras / offerings is entirely normal and reasonable for us. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 09:43, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
::I don't disagree in general, but G1/IDW Gigatron DOES share a page with RID Megatron. [[Gigatron (G1)]] is the Overlord repurpose. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 09:49, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
:::Oof. Don't know why I clearly remembered them as being separate, but in any case I regret the error. Thank you.--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:14, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
There's no way to organize something like this place without something somewhere seeming arbitrary. I think the existing structure is arbitrary in the best way that makes the most sense, and trying to "mitigate" that arbitrariness just creates different arbitrariness. A lot of this "but what if we redid all this to fix this particular thing" shuffling just relitigates why we already do the stuff we already do. so, like: no --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 09:54, 30 July 2022 (EDT)

== The Discord ==

Alright, seriously, we need to talk about this. It is beyond frustrating that a greater than 50% chunk of discussion about what big edits will happen on the wiki are happening on an app that people either aren't on or (in my case) aren't allowed on. I was told it was going to just to get voices onto things but that clearly isn't how it's working out. We need either some sort of archival dump of all these posts or something because I'm tired of getting into arguments where half the responses haven't even happened on the main site itself. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 07:45, 17 August 2022 (EDT)
: I think you're drastically overestimating how much discussion about big edits is happening on the Discord. No actual big decisions are getting made there, and we make it a point to repeatedly remind people that discussion for major changes needs to happen here before anything gets decided. But we also can't stop anyone from simply talking about things there the same way we couldn't stop discussion on the AllSpark thread when that was a thing, and having a public log of discussions from the editing channel is both infeasible and frankly unnecessary. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 09:09, 17 August 2022 (EDT)

==Designer bylines on toy writeups==

As those of us who have been tuning in to the [[Hasbro Pulse#Livestreams|Hasbro Pulse livestreams]] have no doubt noticed, one side effect of the unprecedented transparency of the current team on the ''Generations'' franchise is that we are now pretty consistently being blasted with a fire hose of toy designer credits. While there's been a scramble to record them on the designers' pages as best we can, this rapidly growing body of information is not doing the average reader a whole lot of good sequestered away on pages that require them to already know the designers by name. As such, I've put together a template to act as a designer byline for relevant toy write-ups, largely following the formatting of our existing voice actor template.

Documentation for the prototype template which I've named '''<nowiki>{{toydesigner}}</nowiki>''' can be found here:

*[[:Template:Toydesigner]]

And a variety of examples of implementation can be found here:

*[[User:AzimuthAcolyte/Sandbox/Toy credits demo]]

Is this something we would be interested in implementing?

Questions, concerns, suggestions etc are welcome. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:33, 22 August 2022 (EDT)

:I support adding this template, it's valid information and helps put names and faces in a historically anonymous industry due to the lack of credits in the products themselves.
[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 13:38, 22 August 2022 (EDT)
::I think this is a great idea. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:52, 22 August 2022 (EDT)
:::I really like it. The only possible negative is that unless a whole bunch of people are very dedicated to this (or one brave soul is ''extremely'' dedicated to it) we might end up seeing it only appear on a small handful of toy entries and most will never feature it. I vote for going ahead with it regardless.
:::While we are addressing the "designer credits" issue, can we also please find a better phrase to use on the designer pages than "Toys So-and-so is known to have had a hand in creating"? It's just so overwrought. I think "Design Team Credits Include:" gets the point across much more naturally.... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:54, 22 August 2022 (EDT)
::::This is a fair point. Maybe something as blunt as "Known Design Work" mirroring the "Published Works" thing we use for writers/artists? -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:17, 25 August 2022 (EDT)
:Looks good to me. Hope we can scrounge together sources and lists for older design teams too. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 15:05, 22 August 2022 (EDT)
::I can't see any reason not to do this. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 16:05, 22 August 2022 (EDT)
:I'm not a toy person, but that looks really cool! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:23, 22 August 2022 (EDT)
Oh wow, I'm blown away by the universally positive reception here! If there are no concerns in the next few days I guess I'll get started rolling this out. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:17, 25 August 2022 (EDT)
:Alrighty it's been a fair bit with no further concerns, so I have pushed the template live to [[:Template:Toydesigner]] and will begin implementing it as I have time. Any and all help is appreciated, as this will of course be a huge job. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 16:13, 29 August 2022 (EDT)

== Wiki Toy Photo Quality Standards ==
So we know (and had long suspected anyway) that Hasbro designers are sometimes pulling Wiki photos for reference. That's great, but we've got some toy photography on here that's a good bit off from what the figures look like in reality for one reason or another. Is there any way to flag shots that are out of whack so that they might get tweaked or replaced? This issue comes to mind since, while I've been here more or less since the Wiki started, I don't recall there being a formal set of standards for photos since it just wasn't really a big deal before now. Oversaturation is my main complaint, since one user a long while ago was going through, taking existing shots into Photoshop and oversaturating the hell out of them without regard to the actual toy, and I've noticed some updated photography like [[Prowl (Magnaboss)]] that does basically the same. It's a larger photo, but that Prowl is definitely not blazing yellow in person. Apologies in advance and please disregard if this has already been discussed elsewhere or before.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG|talk]]) 16:10, 24 August 2022 (EDT)
:For the record, my lighting set up is very warm, hence why Prowl's colours appear so bright. I haven't figured out the right balance in Photoshop to get the colours of figures to look spot on so figures either appear too bright or too dull in the finished product. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 17:30, 24 August 2022 (EDT)
::Oh, I'm not intending to put you on the spot, that's just the first example I had on hand of a wider issue that we probably need to start being careful about since it appears to be (hilariously) affecting actual figures now, like Titans Return PMOP or Legacy Iguanus. When it was the one guy tweaking things to be inaccurate "because it looked better", I could follow him and revert stuff, but I can't when there's nothing to revert in most cases.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG|talk]]) 18:38, 24 August 2022 (EDT)
::I recommend ring lights, you can get some pretty cheap, they've good at spreading light out rather than heavy-focus, and they have adjustable brightness and warm/cool light settings: use "cool" (aka white/blue-tinted). Even before I got ring lights, I used "cool" light bulbs in the lamps. The problem is these are nowhere as common as the "normal" yellow-tinted bulbs, thus, go with the ring lights.
::As for "standards"... well, good luck with that. Every camera's a little different. Every MONITOR is a little different. Hell, I have a double-monitor setup with different models and they have small but distinct differences in brightness & etc; honestly I'm good with it since it lets me check how things may look to different people. But I think maybe a tag for photos that we are CERTAIN are too far off from final product (be they user-made or stock images) may not be a bad idea. Assuming we notice. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:44, 24 August 2022 (EDT)
:::Yeah, a tag we can throw on to a photo just to make it at least visible that it's incorrect would be useful. And would probably prompt a deco designer to gather some secondary reference material, assuming the tag's obvious. I like the idea.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG|talk]]) 16:29, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:::I've noticed that the quality of the UT stuff in the toys section flunctuates greatly-- for example, ML Starscream still uses the guidebook picture, and Superlink ver of the combining Optimus downright doesn't exist. I've started to collect UT toys since Hasbro has been updating UT stuff with more commitment and I have 0 faith in them doing it right, and most of the stuff I've gotten are the JP versions. For minor alterations like ML/ Armada Megs, is it worth uploading a completely new picture of ML Megatron onto his page? Another issue worth regarding discussing is "cartoon accuracy". Whilst Hasbro is indeed working on making more accurate figures, they obviously aren't 100% accurate, like 86 starscream using the commonly accepted G1 logo instead of the sunbow accurate one with the spike in the middle, and even from a sculpt and proportional standppint the ER mold is far from accurate compared to the sunbow model, let alone MP52. I actually cleaned up the page for TM2 Megatron because he deviates pretty heavily if you compare the CG model to the final toy, and changed the claim that Skids is "toon" accurate as he is blantently based on the original toy in deco. The same goes for Starscream, aside from the forearms and forehead hes blatently based on the T30 toy. I also had to edit that bit --[[User: Pixelmaster|Pixelmaster]] 3:31 HKT

==Reconsolidating some of our pages==
This is something I've been thinking about for a while, but I'd like to propose re-merging some of our excessively split articles back into something more manageable. It seems like that once a page is split out, a) we get a lot less editorial oversight, as the recent toy page trimming has revealed, b), stuff does not get updated nearly as often as they would be on their respective mainpages, and c) it makes information harder to find by pushing it behind a subpage that's not readily accessible.

Obviously I understand that splits are necessary for the really long pages like [[Optimus Prime (G1)]], [[Megatron (G1)]], and soforth, but when you get down to like, [[Mirage (G1)]] or [[Hound (G1)]] or [[Hot Shot (Armada)]], there's barely anything of any significance on their main pages beyond Dreamwave or the odd IDW cameo. Are, for instance, [[Ravage (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ravage]]'s Marvel adventures that major that they can't fit into the main page? Are [[Hook (G1)/toys|Hook]] or [[Warpath (G1)#Toys|Warpath]] really that inundated with toys that they need their own subpage? If it's a problem of just ''length'', then a lot of the subpaged articles or mainpage stuff like the storybooks could just be trimmed down into something more manageable—as I did with G1 Cliffjumper's Marvel section earlier this year. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 17:00, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:I 100% agree with this. --[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 17:04, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
: Fully in favour. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 17:20, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
: Sub-pages should, on their own, be significantly sizable pages to justify making readers link-jump. A dozen toys does not strike me as remotely enough to justify a subpage split. Being ''in'' a major long-running fiction but mostly having appearances in a minority of installments that can be summed up in two sentences doesn't justify a split. New editing tools are fun and all, but just 'cuz you gotta new hammer doesn't mean you have to go hunting for anything that looks vaguely nail-like. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:18, 29 August 2022 (EDT)

== Incoming maintenance ==

Just a heads up, our host is going to be doing some maintenance in about an hour that may cause problems with the site, so if you have trouble reaching it and therefore cannot read this message, that's what it is. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 00:11, 23 November 2022 (EST)

== Foreign names ==

A dispute came up recently on the [[Megatron (ES)]] page. User:Kiké Prime has been providing Hungarian names for all the characters, but this one apparently is just "Megatron". Cyberlink420 removed it. I disputed it, pointing out that not listing it leaves the implication that we do not know the name of the character in the language. Despite having my reversion again reverted, I still find deliberately leaving blanks in our name lists odd. I am thus bringing the matter here for further discussion. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:16, 5 December 2022 (EST)
:My understanding has always been that we only add foreign names if they are different from the English name. Per pages like [[Megatron (G1)]], this includes examples where the name is the same, but is spelled with a diacritic or using a different alphabet. So "Megatron" wouldn't be different enough to justify inclusion, but examples like Mégatron, Megatrón, Мегатрон and メガトロン would. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:10, 5 December 2022 (EST)

== Nonbinary Character Category ==

So, we now have another nonbinary character (who actually used their pronouns during the media no less), [[Nightshade (ES)|Nightshade]] from [[Transformers: EarthSpark (franchise)|Earthspark]] (Nightshade at time of posting doesn't have a page yet)! The other fully for certain fully intentional one is [[Screwball]] from [[Beast Wars: Uprising]] while [[Acid Storm (Cyberverse)|Acid Storm]] was at least an out of media by writer retcon of animation, and [[Overlord_(G1)#Ask_Vector_Prime|Overlord's]] gender is somewhat nebulous on where that fits beyond being gender expansive due to being [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#December 23, 2015|"what some would call genderfluid"]] but that at least puts us at three. Given that we have a trans category now we thought it best to at this point suggestion a nonbinary category for the sake of users (including gender expansive people) easily finding nonbinary characters on here. Obviously adding Nightshade will have to wait until they have a page but any thoughts on this yea or nay? [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 18:28, 8 December 2022 (EST)
:I forgot about Screwball. I think with three confirmed examples, even without the edge case of Overlord, that's probably enough to justify one. Care will have to be taken, however, to only include confirmed examples and not use it as a dumping ground for any character whose gender has never been explicitly identified. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:37, 8 December 2022 (EST)
::Authorial intent and all, but I can say that if I had the option to go back and rewrite it I would have used the term non binary for Overlord. I feel like Acid Storm is more of an edge case; it’s what one person said on their account to justify it. Whenever Acid Storm actually says something they’re animated with a female face; it’s not done at random.[[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:47, 8 December 2022 (EST)
:::Acid Storm changes from masculine male to feminine female and back. Gender-fluid, sure, but definitely non-binary? As for Overlord, in the Legends manga Mega gives Overlord a female-presenting face - is there a pronoun change during that time? Would we have more candidates for inclusion in a Gender-fluid category first? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 20:17, 8 December 2022 (EST)
:::::Thank for the notes folks, that does help to piece this together! Just want to note that a pronoun change is not necessary for a gender being experienced in fluidity to be the one expressed or what have you, so unless the Legends manga actually has some sort of statement about Overlord's fluidity that kind of puts us back with an umbrella term of nonbinary (which we are unsure as not having read the Legends manga if that would work for that Overlord so we can't speak to where/if Overlord falls under gender expansiveness beyond the fact that Overlord's presentation changes depending on the binary bond partner right?). Acid Storm is an edge case yes but if we do count the edge case that they are we think it is worth noting that for Acid Storm what Catt said was specifically that changing expression is just something they do, and "any pronouns" work for Acid Storm, no statement about the binary. Of course, we only see two faces which are the two different Seeker faces that were otherwise delineated by gender, but at this point we're getting into the opt-in thing of 'x person is genderfluid and thus considers themself nonbinary' or 'z person is genderfluid and only considers themself as under the multigender umbrella'. Which we don't have detail on really if Acid Storm is genderfluid as how they know themselves right? Because that's just a thing that was written in the Female Transformers page because of (no blame being given, it's understandable) the user finding that to be the term that fit best? Feel like we've ended up just pointing out an need for just a gender expansive category instead but ah well. [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 21:46, 1 January 2023 (EST)
::::::We seem to have killed this with a non-solution for the nonbinary category by pointing out that gender expansive is more certain than saying genderfluid. If we count Nightshade, Overlord, and Screwball, is that a go on nonbinary, or should we just have a gender expansive category at this point that would also be one trans characters use? For people wondering what gender expansive means you can find a definition here https://www.diversitystyleguide.com/glossary/gender-expansive/ https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/08/gender-expansive-mean/ [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 23:18, 6 February 2023 (EST)
:::::::Respectfully, I think needing to invoke a glossary suggests the term is so little-used in common parlance that it would not be useful for our needs and style. We don't have a category tag at the bottom of a bunch of BW characters saying "tetrapods" or "perissodactyls" (we ''do'' talk like that on [[Popular beast alternate modes]], maybe a grouping ''page'' would be a better approach? Just a thought...). If we are looking for a category tag I think it would be better to find the term that unambiguously covers the largest number of candidates, without a need to rely on edge cases, maintaining both accuracy and readability. I see three characters that could sensibly go in a Gender-fluid tag, one that could go in a Non-binary tag (meaning we wouldn't make the latter). We may be facing a case where there are few enough disparate examples that there isn't one single category tag that usefully unites them. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:55, 7 February 2023 (EST)
::::::::With the most recent block of EarthSpark episodes having further explored Nightshade's character and introduced a new nonbinary character in the form of Sam (this also saw the term nonbinary used in the show for the first time), we have been discussing the topic of introducing a Nonbinary characters category on the Discord. Doing some research, AVP also confirmed the Tigerhawk of Primax 496.22 Alpha (the Beast Wars cartoon continuity) to be nonbinary, so that's another character to justify that category. It's been suggested by an expert on the matter that we could introduce a "Gender expansive characters" category as an umbrella category, with Genderfluid characters, Nonbinary characters, and Transgender characters existing as subcategories as a way of future-proofing our coverage of gender expansive characters, while also ensuring we don't lump every gender expansive character together into a single broad category and hopefully making these concepts easier to navigate for casual readers. - [[User:Archforce|Archforce]] ([[User talk:Archforce|talk]]) 17:26, 4 March 2023 (EST)
:::::::::In sequence you replied to my post of Feb 7 but seem to have side-stepped the part where I questioned the usefulness of a category tag that will not be widely understood. Also, creating such a category exactly ''is'' "lumping them all together into a single broad category." So is that approach desirable or not? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 17:43, 4 March 2023 (EST)
:::::::::: They said the word nonbinary in the show. In a show full of nonbinary rep. And then nonbinary characters exists outside of that show, and it would not be a dangerous bet to expect this to continue. But people are born with an innate understanding of what an Alpha Primax 9384u743 is, or Transmetals, or Powermasters, but not what a nonbinary person is so yeah maybe we are going too far on this website for nerds who want to learn more about things related to Transformers (like nonbinary characters). We have a category called council members. Literally for any character who has served on any council. I did not understand what "council members" actually refered to before I clicked on it, assumed it was more specific than it was, but in fact it took me two seconds to figure it out. A non-binary category and/or gender-expansive category would surely be the same. And as Archforce says, make these concepts easier to navigate. Or if that was too long, what Walky said. Seriously. You also appear to misunderstand what is meant by lumping together. Because putting all non-binary people in a non-binary category is accurate, and is something I and at least some others want, putting all non-binary people on a transgender page would be a misrepresentative "all of these are the same thing right?". Gender-expansive on the other hand comes from someone familiar with the matter, and as a non-binary person myself, as someone who has researched gender representation in media at an honours level (to flex some credentials that yeah I could be making up), I agree with what is being said on the Discord. Gender expansive as an umbrella provides the room to not lump everyone together while recognising yeah there is something shared in any act of gender that is not one of cisgender conformity. Having transgender and nonbinary characters on the same page while called out as two seperate subcategories I again think helps casual readers navigate based on this. [[User:Bumblebee2000|Bumblebee2000]] ([[User talk:Bumblebee2000|talk]]) 18:40, 4 March 2023 (EST)
::::::::::Not using the best useful terms because they're not understood by enough people is extremely self-defeating. I reject that line of thinking. (also, like, c'mon, the first complete article for this wiki was gaddang Robot-Master, not Optimus Prime, so I think we can say the words "gender expansive" even if someone hasn't heard of them) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 17:49, 4 March 2023 (EST)
:::::::::::Thank you all for the discussion! To clarify regarding aesthetics (because gender is aesthetics, we can give recommendations on stuff to read re that), the term gender expansive does not in fact cover everybody, merely all the bots we're talking about it in this instance and likely future unless we get canon transformers fiction that actually uses a variable alien aesthetic system that isn't gender but is something similar. To put this another way: not all human societies' aesthetic category concepts and formulation of individual and collective context for self such as pronouns, names, expressions, (to use Leslie Feinberg's words for navigating transness and gender itself, the 'poetics,' not just construction) etc. used or uses those in a way that neatly fits modern Western gender constructs with a large number of examples both from outside Europe and within it. In a similar vein some xeno aesthetic spectrum folks (like some of ourselves, and yes we're getting very obscure here the gender parallel is xenogender) and speculative fiction/sci-fi about aliens live or navigates the idea of aesthetic structures that are not gender at all but merely overlap or parallel.
:::::::::::Transformers fiction has really only touched on the subject of the alien aspect of the bots' gender or lack thereof when trying to portray that something is there by e.g.; parallel with the embodying and living of their various modes such as when Lodestar speaks to having weapon retrofit dysphoria in the 2021 annual (yes, the 'embodying and living' is something we're borrowing from Gayle Salamon on how she frames gender), their unique histories, the December 23rd 2015 AVP gender answer having a note about continuities where the concept of gender is barely relevant, and possibly that time 'gal' got put in quotations (it's still unclear what Maggs meant by that but that's okay). So rest assured that while gender expansive is a broad category- it only future proofs us until alien terminology or narrative that is clearly shown in replacement of when gender would otherwise be used in a story actually happens in canon. Which would be incredibly exciting, but isn't where we are right now. [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 19:11, 4 March 2023 (EST)
:::::::::::But we are nonetheless at a special point in time in the transformations of transformers, that the categories genderfluid, nonbinary, and gender expansive would be useful for. <3 [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 19:15, 4 March 2023 (EST)
::::::::::::Gosh that felt good to dedicating an afternoon to doing, thank you for the help! We feel that [[Editor|Chief]] ought to be included in the gender expansive category, and given the entry regarding Tigerhawk that was mentioned here, Spittor arguably also could be [[Source:Ask_Vector_Prime/Facebook#May_23.2C_2015|"In some universes where Spittor scans an organic alternate mode, his biological system conforms to female while his Cybertronian gender identity is male."]]. Chief seems fairly obvious? RE Spittor where his situation could be argued to break down is the cybertronian understanding of gender maybe not matching gender and anatomy as framed by humans but then that in itself still qualifies. [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 20:32, 5 March 2023 (EST)
:::::::::::: *shrugs* maybe the latter re Spittor and similar situations is just something to note in an eventual article rather than to throw in the category itself [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 20:45, 5 March 2023 (EST)
:::::::::::::I'm gonna say that I'm for Editor while Spittor is ultimately a way of just saying that his alt-mode is a female frog even though he's male. Ala Tigatron in the cartoon, Waspinator, etc. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:57, 5 March 2023 (EST)
::::::::::::::Thank you, that helps clarify things! :3 [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 21:47, 5 March 2023 (EST)

== Adding an informative table to each character page ==
I was thinking about it since it's striking.. lack.. There should be a way to tell people in which and how many episodes/issues/movies each character appears in the continuity they belong to, their debut episode/issue movie, what aliases they have had and nicknames they were given by other characters, a more centered area for the voice or live actors, a link to their gallery pages(if they have any) and one to their disambiguation pages etc. The kind of information that one would prefer to find with greater ease, especially if they aren't members. And talking about their appearances, that should prove quite useful for future page edits, since we'll know exactly where to look especially when it's about latecomers or characters that don't appear on a regular basis. I just think it'd be useful. [[User:Darthrone|Darthrone]] ([[User talk:Darthrone|talk]]) 15:44, 2 February 2023 (EST)
:This kind of infobox was discussed at the very earliest days of this wiki, and it was decided that there was just way, way too much information for it to work... and this was in 2006, BEFORE the franchise exploded. TF is such a fragmented kludge of fictions from multiple sources and creators spanning 40 years that any major character would end up with one ultra-massive thing of dubious use (can't say I see the value in a "number of appearances" tally, aside from the headache of keeping that accurate over time and arguing "what counts"), or a billion splintered ones spread across the page for the different fictions. And "nicknames" is always a minefield as those tend to turn into a massive list of "someone called them this once" which is... not helpful. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:46, 2 February 2023 (EST)
::Even if it had been a day-1 thing, I don't see how this is more informative than our current style. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 17:58, 2 February 2023 (EST)
:::I'm for infoboxes, but the information you're asking for is far too abstract and meaningless in this franchise. (We are absolutely not doing "nicknames". No.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:09, 2 February 2023 (EST)

==The (BWU) tag==
I understand the reasons why [[#Proposal re: G1 pages|my previous proposal]] regarding the proliferation of (G1) pages for random newer characters was soundly rejected. However, my main motivation for raising it was that I find the huge quantity of (BWU) pages for "repurposed" Mini-Cons and bestial Transformers to be reader-unfriendly, so I wanted to make a case for making an exception for ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' cameos. ''Uprising'' was an obscure barely-canon multi-continuity-drifting web serial which we are very unlikely to get further instalments of, and most of the relevant characters are similarly very deep pulls who will assuredly not be appearing again in future stories, and who will otherwise be stuck with tiny stub-pages forever. Most of these are Mini-Cons (here Micromasters) or bestial Transformers (here Protoformers), with a few boats or Constructicons from "[[Derailment]]". In many cases, I perceive ''Uprising'' as having tried to give these toys a hint of fiction where previously they had none at all, much like [[Ask Vector Prime]] before it. It's a very different phenomenon to most so-called "continuity transplants" we've seen in other series (such as with, say, [[Hot Shot (G1)]]), which are instead rooted in the popularity of those characters.

I think the problem here is that strictly speaking ''Uprising'' is a "Primax" continuity, sure, but it lifts dozens of characters (let alone concepts) unchanged from later stories. Slavishly hewing to that label when it's such an intertextual melting pot has resulted in this unfriendly setup. It feels like a fair decision made at the time (was [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive64#Derailment & Uprising pages|this discussion]] the one?) but in my opinion the wiki's policy kinda fails here. If we get rid of the (BWU) tag, the (G1) back-ports remaining (a minority!) will be for more significant characters, often adapted more radically. Here's the list of tiny pages we could be rid of, just like that:

*'''''Energon''''': [[Steam Hammer]], [[Doom-Lock (BWU)]], [[Avalon (BWU)]]
*'''''Cybertron''''': [[Wing Saber (BWU)]], [[Shortround (BWU)]]
*'''Movies''': [[Reckage]], [[Hatchet (BWU)]], [[Skipjack (BWU)]], [[Sea Spray (BWU)]], [[Fearswoop (BWU)]], [[Depthcharge (BWU)]], [[Rav (BWU)]], [[Evac (BWU)]], [[Drydock (BWU)]], [[Photon (BWU)]]
*'''''TransTech''''': [[Ego (BWU)]]
*'''''War for Cybertron''''': [[Contrail (BWU)]], [[Sigil (BWU)]], [[Gauntlet (BWU)]]
*'''''Prime''''': [[Ser-Ket (BWU)]], [[Rot Gut (BWU)]], [[Twinstrike (BWU)]], [[Budora (BWU)]], [[Darksteel (BWU)]], [[Vertebreak (BWU)]], [[Grimwing (BWU)]], [[Blackbeak (BWU)]], [[Judora (BWU)]]
*'''''Robots in Disguise''''': [[Bisk (BWU)]], [[Paralon (BWU)]], [[Quillfire (BWU)]], [[Ped (BWU)]], [[Psychobat (BWU)]], [[Springload (BWU)]], [[Snitch (BWU)]], [[Razorgrille (BWU)]]
*'''''Transformers Online''''': [[Astral Knight (BWU)]], [[Psychic Shortstop (BWU)]], [[Wrath Thunder (BWU)]], [[Deep Blue (BWU)]]
*'''Mini-Cons''': [[Synapse (BWU)]], [[Black Out]], [[Steamhammer (BWU)]], [[Flat-Out (BWU)]], [[Six-Speed (BWU)]], [[Zapmaster (BWU)]], [[Crumplezone (BWU)]], [[Cannon (BWU)]], [[Bulge (BWU)]], [[Bomb (BWU)]], [[Shot (BWU)]], [[Crack (BWU)]], [[Thunderblast (BWU)]], [[Wreckage (BWU)]], [[Bonecrusher (BWU)]], [[Broadside (BWU)]], [[Tankor (BWU)]], [[Caliburn (BWU)]], [[Torque (BWU)]], [[Bilge (BWU)]], [[Search (BWU)]], [[Refute (BWU)]], [[Kingbolt (BWU)]], [[Starcatcher (BWU)]], [[Clench (BWU)]], [[Run-Over (BWU)]], [[Deepdive (BWU)]], [[Astro-Sinker (BWU)]], [[Snow Cat (BWU)]], [[Draft (BWU)]], [[Screw (BWU)]], [[Aston (BWU)]] (deep sigh)
*'''Other''': [[Terrastar (BWU)]], [[Hyperborea (BWU)]], [[Alchemor (BWU)]], [[Minion of Unicron (BWU)]]

There's a handful of ''Uprising'' characters that need a (G1) page anyway for non-''Uprising'' reasons; I'm totally ambivalent about where the ''Uprising'' content ends up for these: [[Tidal Wave (G1)]], [[Override (BWU)]] (!), [[Cannonball (G1)]], [[Black-Out]], [[Halogen (G1)]], [[Knock Out (G1)]], [[Gaidora (BWU)]], [[Strongarm (G1)]], [[Thunderhoof (BWU)]], [[Twirl (G1)]].

Finally there's a few weird cases that would merit individual discussion but would probably just need to keep their own pages: [[Clobber (BWU)]], [[Apex (BWU)]], [[Offshoot (BWU)]], [[Cybaxx (BWU)]], [[Overbite (BWU)]], and [[Terrorcon (BWU)]].

Here is a ([https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=0&redirs=1&profile=all&search=%22from+the%22+%22continuity+families%22 probably non-exhaustive]) list of existing cases of multi-continuity drifting you should probably consider before weighing in:
* [[Buckethead]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#July 31, 2015|this Ask Vector Prime answer]])
* [[Drydock (TF 2010)]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#September 13, 2015|this answer]] which explicitly has him travel from one continuity to another)
* [[Drelnar Feh'd]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#September 17, 2015|this one]])
* [[Scorpia (G2)]], [[Autoceptor]], [[Deceptor]], and [[Kaltor]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#June 12, 2015|this one]])
* The [[Night Rescue Team]], [[Clear Skies Team]], [[Rapid Intervention Team]], [[Prehistoric Team]], [[Demolition Team]], [[Dirt Digger Team]], [[Heavy Load (Universe)]] and the [[Mobile Fortification Team]], and [[Detectas]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#September 28, 2015|this one]]).
**However, exceptions from these Mini-Con teams are [[Nightscream (Cybertron)|Nightscream]], [[Offshoot (Cybertron)|Offshoot]], [[Strongarm (Cybertron)|Strongarm]] and [[Knockdown (Cybertron)|Knockdown]], who all have separate (Cybertron) basis on the basis of receiving separate bios after being packed in with ''Cybertron'' Primus...
**...but then [[Liftor]] is all on a single page, despite his ''Classics'' bio.
**[[Snarl (Classics)|Snarl]], [[Sledge (Classics)|Sledge]], [[Wideload (Classics)|Wideload]], [[Knockdown (Classics)|Knockdown]], and [[Steel Wind]] already have ''Uprising'' content on their pages, but that makes sense as these were originally ''Classics'' guys.
* The [[Saurian Strike Team]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#September 28, 2015|this one]])
* The [[Minicon 8 Pack]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#July 24, 2015|this one]])
* The ''Dark of the Moon'' Mini-Cons [[Dualor (DOTM)]], [[Triceradon (DOTM)]], [[Rav (DOTM)]], and [[Catilla (DOTM)]], plus [[Ironlunge]], [[Reptix]], [[Sling (AOE)]], [[Gnashteeth]], [[Wedge Shape]], [[Brimstone (Universe)]], [[Apexus]], [[Gredator]], and [[Dragoyell]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#August 13, 2015|this one]])
** Weirdly, we ''separately'' have a page for [[Rav (BWU)]], but Catilla has Unicron Trilogy, movie, and ''Uprising'' appearances covered all on the one page!
* [[Galadria]] and [[Ramak]] (because of [[Source:Transformers: Spacewarp's Log#December 5, 2015|this post]])
* Am I to understand that [[Wind Sheer (RID)]], [[Skyfire (RID)]] and the [[Dimensional Patrol]] each have just a single page because (RID) ''is'' part of the G1 continuity family sometimes...?
* And I understand that [[Primus Vanguard]] cameos just go on their original pages because that's a weird thing kinda outside of G1 anyway (at least from an in-universe perspective, if not a real-world one).
* ''Diaclone'' examples like [[Burn Out (Diaclone)]], [[Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)]], and [[Chifumi Takahashi]] have been discussed to death.
* [[Monsterous]] was retconned to originally be from an Aligned universe (in [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Guest column#October 21, 2015|this post]], though I can't actually find any mention of Uniend? EDIT: [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Guest column#November 7, 2015|found it]]!)
* [[Primacron]] was apparently mentioned in ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II| The AllSpark Almanac II]]''.
* And [[Sentinel Supreme]] is just an Easter egg that everyone seemed to shrug about at the time.

To those who say the exception I'm proposing would be confusing, I submit these existing examples where we've apparently neglected to split something out as evidence that the only people this confuses are wiki editors like me wondering why they're not all that way. Maybe I'm just unaware of some aspect of the existing policy which accounts for all these cases? But is it really helpful to anyone to have a given toy's associated fiction squirrelled away somewhere separate you have to go into the disambiguation to find? We recently merged [[Chromhorn]] (another Sorenson job) on the basis that "There's literally no reason for these to be on different pages. They are the same thing." Can we not do the same for these Sorenson-penned cases that are basically going "look, the exact same guy shows up in multiple universes, alright?" And if the answer is no, will someone go through and split all these out? —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 18:27, 6 February 2023 (EST)

:I think my response to your earlier G1-import proposal still applies here: the more exceptions we make to our system for the sake of "accessibility", the harder the overall structure becomes to grok for a new reader, and thus ironically it all becomes ''less'' accessible. Why should ''Uprising'' Steel Jaw be at [[Steel Jaw]], but ''Uprising'' Bisk be at [[Bisk (RID)]]? Or, conversely, why should ''Uprising'' Steel Jaw be at [[Steeljaw (RID)]], but LBS Steeljaw be at [[Steel Jaw|Steeljaw (IDW)]]? Neither solution is good.
:As for the current list of exceptions, I'd argue everything you list from Buckethead to the DOTM Mini-Cons should probably be split. Galadria and Ramak are characters from outside media, so we don't split them across continuity lines. Wind Sheer and Skyfire have one page for consistency with the other RID guys. The source on Monsterous being Aligned is [[Source:Ask_Vector_Prime/Facebook#November_7.2C_2015|here]], but I would argue that's just giving an origin to the GoBot and so they should share a page anyway.
:Lastly - I object to you bringing the Chromhorn thing into this, as I don't think it's a fair comparison. Chromhorn wasn't making any exception to our categorisation system; it was one page saying "Chromhorn is a green variant of Insecticon from the UT" and another saying "Chromhorn Forest Type is a green variant of Insecticon from the UT", and the former was somehow a "repurposing" of the fictionless latter. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 20:24, 6 February 2023 (EST)
::Totally get the Steeljaw example—although it ''is'' crazy that we're currently disambiguating G1 wolf Steeljaw simply by [[Steel Jaw]]. You should post about the disambiguation tag policy change you suggested on Discord, I think a lot of people were thinking along similar lines there. Agree with your interpretation of the current policy as to which of the examples listed should be split and which shouldn't—although the more I think about the Primus Vanguard, the more I think those should technically be split too. While I guess the [[Time Warrior (AVP)|Time Warrior]]s are multiversal travellers like Drydock. RE: Chromhorn, I understand why it's technically different; I brought it up because I think it speaks to the tenor of ''Ask Vector Prime'' answers—in spirit, I think its aim was exactly the same as with the Mini-Con examples I've given.
::What do I mean by that? To match your Steeljaw example, from the opposite angle: say I'm your typical fan scrolling [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)]], and I click on, say, [[Dualor (DOTM)]], wondering if he's ever shown up in anything. In their current state, I get my answer immediately. With the proposed split for consistency, I instead get a page telling me that Dualor (DOTM) is a dinosaur Mini-Con from ''Dark of the Moon'', some info about the toy, ''maybe'' ending with an inscrutable note about how he was "repurposed" as an identical guy. Now, there's ''already'' an unrelated [[Dualor (Armada)]], so we'd need to make a disambiguation page. We can see this already by looking at [[Snow Cat (Universe)]], which is barren (the very scenario AVP so often tried to address!), and doesn't even admit to the existence of [[Snow Cat (BWU)]] aside from a general Snow Cat disambiguation tag. In some existing cases like [[Steamhammer (BWU)]], we've mirrored a toy writeup, which needs upkeep in parallel; in others, like Snow Cat, we're asking the user to visit the other page to read about the toy ''anyway''. To my mind, this is inarguably less accessible. I don't understand arguments made about accessibility here which are predicated on readers having learned editing policy to begin with, and I don't think this proposal would actually make it any harder to learn the system.
::I regret not listing out all the individual members of those Mini-Con teams above, to better communicate the sheer number of pages that would need to be made (and pages that would need to be renamed, in case of conflicts) to create this inconvenience in service of a rule we've already been ignoring without issue. Nobody wants to do this work, and I think it's less that no-one cares, and more that some people think it'd actually make the wiki worse, and the rest don't particularly think it'd make the wiki better.
::What about just making an exception for Mini-Cons/Micromasters? I've talked about ''Uprising'', but obviously the vast majority of cases that theoretically need splitting aren't from ''Uprising'' at all. Could probably even do a generic template like "X exists in multiple continuity families, and is a Micromaster/Maximal/Predacon in those without Mini-Cons". Thus your Steeljaws and Bisks and Overrides go unchanged, no problems or ambiguity there! —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 17:09, 7 February 2023 (EST)
:Once upon a time, I probably would have pushed for something like this, but where we are now: I am not a fan of any push towards treating something differently based on how "relevant" something is or not. It goes against the very spirit this wiki was founded on, because that is what was happening to the Wikipedia coverage of Transformers where they were just getting rid of things wholesale because of "relevancy." I can understand the basic point behind this, but I feel that doing so would set a bad precedent that could be exploited in the future.
:I'd be fine with splitting most of these out. I've said it before elsewhere but by and large a lot of the inconsistencies were largely the result of different contributors adding stuff or splitting stuff without a general consensus, and they haven't been cleaned up afterwards. Also, a minor note, but the Liftor thing was mainly cause no one noticed at the time until I wrote up about the profile years after the fact. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:26, 6 February 2023 (EST)
::If I gave the impression "relevancy" was the main thrust of my argument here, I didn't mean to! Like, it goes both ways—would we be merging because ''Uprising'' is so irrelevant that we shouldn't devote all these random stub pages to it, ''or'' are we merging because it's sufficiently relevant that we shouldn't be hiding that content in stub pages nobody visits? Either is true! I'm arguing for convenience and clarity. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 17:09, 7 February 2023 (EST)
::: This definitely feels like the strongest argument to the merge in my mind. The wiki is no stranger to niche pages, pages for nameless, fictionless, toyless nonentities. But I believe these fictionless toys and toyless fiction which are really the same thing would be a richer niche page for the merges. [[User:Bumblebee2000|Bumblebee2000]] ([[User talk:Bumblebee2000|talk]]) 20:36, 7 February 2023 (EST)
::: I really think that once again, this overrates the number of people who would be confused by this, and underrates the number of people who would be able to figure out where to go if they wish to find the information. Like, I hate to do the whole "I was able to figure it out" thing but I was a small child with a single-digit age when I first discovered the wiki and I was able to figure out pretty quick why it was laid out the way it was. I'm not saying there's no room for improvement; I think there's a lot of cases in which the way we have things set up now is kind of ridiculous. But in this particular case, I don't really see how merging things would be any more convenient than just leaving them the way they are and splitting out the cases that we never got around to. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:52, 7 February 2023 (EST)

Just found some more pages that would need splitting under current policy: [[Crystal Widow]], [[Seawave]], [[Cradon]], [[Freefall (Kre-O)]], [[Liftoff]], and [[Epsilon Holdings]]. All due to ''Uprising'' and ''The Allspark Almanac''. Really hoping someone can propose a solution here that doesn't involve creating a billion pages and disambigs. --[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 09:24, 18 February 2023 (EST)
:We don't split businesses/locations/organizations, so Epsilon Holdings isn't one we need to consider. Kre-O doesn't really occupy a continuity family in our organization and I would just split the rest, especially Crystal Widow. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:28, 18 February 2023 (EST)

Noticed the ''[[Transformers: Earth Wars| Earth Wars]]'' stub templates on Mini-Con pages for [[Wheeljack Kunai]] and [[Bido]]. The game had previously added [[Gabu]], [[Zori]], [[Baru]], [[Bashbreaker]], [[Windstrike]], and [[Tricerashot]]. Following policy, these should ''all'' be split—see [[Giza (POTP)]] and [[Giza (Prime)]], although to be fair they're not the same animal at least. As always, I think the fiction for those toys should go on the pages for those toys. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 12:39, 17 March 2023 (EDT)

Just finished going through documenting the preliminary bios for the [[Night Rescue Team]], [[Predator Attack Team]], and [[Mini-Con Council of Sages]], from when the ''Classics'' Mini-Cons were still going to be released as ''Cybertron'' two-packs, and it occurs to me that if ''all'' of those guys end up getting duplicate pages, the Unicron Trilogy pages would be where that information should probably end up. Right now it's all a bit of a mess, as some of those characters have (Cybertron) pages via the Primus bonus-pack-in, some don't, and others had their names changed from their would've-been ''Cybertron'' incarnations anyway. I've generally tried to stick to linking to the existing pages rather than redlinking—naturally I remain convinced that it'd be for the best if we didn't distinguish between ''Classics'' and ''Cybertron'' at all in this case and just kept all the relevant information for each of those Mini-Cons on one page per; I think [[Liftor]] is proof that this is in fact perfectly fine and much, much less of a headache for readers. See whatever the hell is going on with the page for the [[Night Rescue Team]], which names the patrol car as "[[Strongarm (Classics)|Strongarm]]/[[Strongarm (Cybertron)|Strongarm]]" as though that's something which makes any sense at all. Tangentially, I also reckon the material from these early bios (which evidently made it out via the official Hasbro website ''somehow'') should probably just be written up in fiction sections proper, along the lines of, say, cancelled Dreamwave issues...? —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 18:03, 23 April 2023 (EDT)
:The Cybertron Primus pack-in guys had bios written by Sepelak and Troop (who also wrote the bios for the Classics guys) that deliberately made them different characters for the Club website with little in common besides their physical appearances. It's not a case of "old rules" at all, it was something specific done at the time. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:28, 23 April 2023 (EDT)

==Wikia links still around?==
https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Smelting_pool&direction=prev&oldid=109505
Are other archived "intermediate / obsolete" edit pages still pointing to Wikia? Or have they been somehow neutralized? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:52, 25 May 2023 (EDT)
:Not exactly sure what you're asking? I mean, the link is literally part of the text in that edit, so it wouldn't be removed. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:25, 25 May 2023 (EDT)
::Is that page (and presumably any other intermediate edit page from those years) still directing search engines to Wikia? Some years ago it was seen as pretty urgent that every last such link be removed, regardless of location. Not "gone from current pages," gone from ''everything''. As I recall, there were even refs to Wikia pre-struck-out on pages so people could only see them in mid-edit, but they were still boosting Wikia's rankings, and an admin had to create a bot to scrape them out of everywhere. If they still persist on hundreds of intermediate edit pages from those years, should those pages be totally erased, as they would be when randos insert porn or hate speech here? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:10, 26 May 2023 (EDT)
:::Historic page revisions are not indexed by Google, so they won't boost Wikia rankings. Those links will be present on any revisions before March 2008, as those revisions are from a backup imported from when the site was on Wikia. We still do have some Wikia links on live pages ([[Miscolorings based on the Generation 1 cartoon]] is an example) but those links will be marked nofollow as all external links are, so they should, in theory, not be boosting Wikia's ranking either. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:04, 26 May 2023 (EDT)

== ROTB being a reboot - what should we do with that? ==

I don't necessarily hold an opinion on this issue, but according to an interview with the director of ROTB, Rise of the Beasts will be a reboot of the live-action movie franchise. Will this affect how existing articles are grouped and written? Or does the wiki just consider it a case of authorial intent? ([https://news.tfw2005.com/2023/05/27/transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-director-steven-caple-jr-confirms-rotb-set-in-a-rebooted-universe-484900 source]) [[User:Gigirassy|Gigirassy]] ([[User talk:Gigirassy|talk]]) 16:19, 27 May 2023 (EDT)
:The wiki is intentionally waiting for the movie's official release to make a stand on the matter. Regardless, even if the movie is a reboot it will not affect the wiki as much as you may be thinking it will; both movie series will simply be considered as two different continuities that are still part of the same continuity family overall (just like the multitude of G1 universes out there that are all in the same family). What may or may not happen is some characters may get splitted pages depending on if there's enough evidence for that, but for now all we can do is just wait and see. -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 16:56, 27 May 2023 (EDT)

== Adaptation notes ==

Can we figure out a way to format this information that isn't an ugly and intrusive note that fucks up the formatting? Like, convert them into storylinks or references. Collapsible notes. Something. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:06, 21 June 2023 (EDT)
:(also probably take a weed whacker to the insane number of images people try to stuff into those film sections but that's another discussion) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:09, 21 June 2023 (EDT)
::I second that. Though we would also have to find a place to put the extra information those notes sometimes provide about how the adaptation differs from the source material. Like how [[Optimus Prime (Movie)#Transformers film|Optimus Prime]]'s notes on the 07 movie mention he kills Barricade in the adaptations when that doesn't happen in the movie itself. Or the very recent example of how ROTB [[Wheeljack (ROTB)|Wheeljack]] appears [[Mission at the Museum|in a book based entirely on the half of the movie he wasn't supposed to appear in]]. So how will we deal with that? -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 16:40, 21 June 2023 (EDT)

Against this. When it comes to an informational wiki, utility should be a higher priority than aesthetic taste. Speaking of aesthetics, however… [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:24, 21 June 2023 (EDT)
:We can be informative without haphazardly shoving "hey, here's some inconsequential adaptations you likely don't care about" into readers' faces. Not all information is created equal, as we've already established by hiding any VAs that the great majority of readers don't care about. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:41, 21 June 2023 (EDT)

I'd be against this. The notes make it clear that one thing is an adaptation of another, allow differences to be described succinctly without wholesale repetition of an entire story section, and I honestly think a mass of stoylyinks for every movie character in the first 3 Bay films after their write-up would be far more visually obtrusive and difficult to parse than the note that's already there, for example.[[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 22:31, 21 June 2023 (EDT)
:I'm gonna more or less agree with the above. Storylinks are ''absolutely'' a bad idea once you get beyond, like, two in a row. And I really don't feel like there's ever going to be enough adaptations of any one thing to justify a whole template, where "voice actors in a dozen languages" and "holy crap they redecoed/retooled/rereleased this toy THIS MANY TIMES" certainly can get hugely bulky. And honestly, if they're not a huge list, I like the easy discoverability of keeping them in a note below; hiding them whiffs of "we should de-prioritize the coloring books and not-current media on character pages" that we rejected from the get-go. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:56, 22 June 2023 (EDT)

== Images and formatting ==

Here’s something that baffles me; at least far back as the MP announcement of the Trainbots, there’s been a push by some to remove images from articles for reasons that mostly elude me. I agree that a lot of our older writeups have images that aren’t good, but what I don’t get is the removal of them from sections that only have one image. Sure, a lot of the time it’s for characters that have very minor roles in something, but I’ve always thought that McFeely’s way of making articles (by getting the best possible image of each character in every section whenever possible) is the gold standard for how we make articles. On a loosely related note; I’m not convinced by Sipher’s recent push to align images to the right; I think the alternating thing we usually have is much cleaner (aside from in toy sections). [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:29, 21 June 2023 (EDT)
: Opening a section with a left-justified image almost invariably fucks up the normal "flow" of how your eyes move when you reach the end of a line: you move down and ''left'' to the next line. Most of the time, left-justified images at the top of the section push that next line of text to the ''right'' of the header. It may look "better" if you unfocus and just look at the page as a blur, but if you're actually ''reading'' the text, it's a subtle but very there stumbler. If it's a section where there's a "voice actors" bit or a note template ''above'' the image where the end of that is ''definitely'' going to end up beyond the rightmost border of the image, that's fair. ''Every'' image doesn't have to be on the right. Alternating is fine within longer sections. But opening with left should be used sparingly and judiciously. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:24, 21 June 2023 (EDT)

==Two things sandboxed a while ago maybe we might consider==
*[[User:M Sipher/Sandbox:ToysBullets]]
*[[User:M Sipher/sandbox:ToypageAltmodesAdded]]
I mean I'm not gonna lie, these are both in the "oh my grodd so many pages" realm, and worse, they're not something we can really get a bot to do. But, Iunno, something to consider. 
The insignia bullet point thing on individual character pages, only so many characters have toys across multiple factions (most would have G1/G2 variants), so this doesn't feel as "important" an addition, but, well. Could be useful. Adding altmodes to the toyline page listings, however, I think there's a decent case for, especially when dealing with obscure toy-only characters in lines loaded to the gills with toys. It'll certianly help the "man I remember I had this cool toy what was its name" searches. And it involves tweaking considerably fewer pages. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:09, 27 June 2023 (EDT)
:I'm in favor of the first from a readability standpoint. It just looks better. On the alt modes, I worry it might open the door to edit skirmishes on some of the more vague vehicle modes out there (thinking specifically of Devcon that just came out, or things that are just indeterminate like Cybertron Menasor or Protoform Optimus/Starscream), that just "Cybertronic car/jet/whatever" isn't a common term people outside the Wiki would really think to search, and how specific we'd need to get a la "truck" versus "longnose truck" versus "Peterbilt 379 truck". Hard to call, in my opinion.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG|talk]]) 23:37, 27 June 2023 (EDT)
::The bullet points hit me a little weird at first but I could get used to them, I think it's a neat idea. And I can see the inclusion of alt modes in toy pages as something useful, though no doubt a lot of pages would have to be slightly rearranged to make room for them. Regardless, I'd gladly give a hand with some of the editing if either one gets approved. --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 09:46, 28 June 2023 (EDT)
::: RE: altmodes on toyline pages... As far as "arguments" go, you get those ''anyway''. I think for these pages we can afford a bit of looseness ("red Lamborghini" for 1984 Sideswipe since there's a lot of sports cars (and two Lambos) in that line/assortment, "blue sports car" for Cyb Hot Shot since there are fewer "sports cars" in that line), giving enough for a quick ID'ing. Spacing... yeah, this will stretch the pages vertically a bit, but like, that's generally fine if the space has ''information'' in it. Plus it will likely mean we can add another pic to the right-hand side of many sections, letting us give a few more examples. And it'll beef up the absolutely anemic sections slightly. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 01:53, 29 June 2023 (EDT)
:So, anyone got any objections to these, other than "holy hell that's a lot of manual work"? If anything, it'd also be a good excuse to go in and find out what entries are in need of some sprucing up and getting to today's standards... properly sorting the features into cohesive paragraphs, moving release dates to bullet points, trimming excess or filling out light writeups, making sure links to other toys have the proper anchors, etc. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:32, 4 July 2023 (EDT)
::The faction symbols look neat, no issue there. ''Really'' dislike the alt-mode descriptions on the toyline pages; it's a huge amount of visual noise for very little informational gain, not even to mention the actual work involved. I honestly think they would be very error-prone as a rule, or at the very least lead to some extremely tiresome debates—for example, you've labelled Soundwave/Sideways as "Cybertronian" jets, but my understanding is that they're not Cybertronians at all...? Even until pretty recently, I often find myself clicking links on toy pages only to find that they've been broken by the epidemic of "/toys" splits (and then the subsequent merges now that that's being corrected!); so far as I'm concerned, if you're consistently able to click a link on a toyline page and immediately jump to a write-up with an actual image of the toy in question, that'd be far more useful than a brief indicator of alt-mode, especially considering most readers are going to know that Starscream probably turns into "a jet". Something else this has brought to mind for me, though—for the ''Cybertron'' toyline, could be nice to have extra faction bullets for the various Cyber Key types they came with! —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 14:53, 6 July 2023 (EDT)
::: Late to the party, but I've seen some of the faction bullets have been implemented in some character articles and I really like how they look. I think it will also help in the long run with figures that are marketed as a certain faction on Hasbro's websites or packaging, but not on the toy itself or utilized in any fiction. Like, for example: ''Studio Series'' Sentinel Prime. His packaging features a Decepticon insignia, while his instructions feature an Autobot insignia, which means the toy is marketed as both factions, even if both insignia are absent on the toy itself. The alt-mode descriptors, on the other hand, are a no from me, better to leave those kinds of specifics to the toy write ups themselves, as some toy listings in toyline articles are already pretty cluttered as it is, due to all of the characters included in some sets. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 01:20, 5 August 2023 (EDT)
::::I'm in favor of both. I think the faction bullets look neat and visually appealing, and I wouldn't mind helping with the edits. I also think that the alt-mode listings would be very helpful, and while I agree that it could create a lot of visual noise, I think it could be lessened by some formatting alterations. In particular, making the alt-mode descriptors (small) and/or on a separate line, and having fewer columns in each row so they aren't so scrunched. Played around with a couple variations here: [[User:Ashendawn/sandbox:ToypageAltmodesAdded]] --[[User:Ashendawn|Ashendawn]] ([[User talk:Ashendawn|talk]]) 15:07, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
:::::I'm quite coming to like the faction symbols, but here's another vote against the alt descriptions. In addition to suddenly making the pages denser and busier... a lot of them are subjective and generic, and it will definitely be noticeable to have multiple generic vehicle types listed so close together. In that last sandbox, "missile truck" and "missile tank" are one on top of the other, and what's really the difference between an "off-road vehicle" and a "military buggy"? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 15:17, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
::::::I feel like that's REALLY getting into push-glasses-up-nose um-actually-ing and missing the entire point of the descriptors. The point is not to give a superprecise What They Very Definitely Are, but a general guide to people who don't actually remember every single toy's name and are thinking "who was that small blue truck?" while looking at the toyline pages. It's for the people who are not hyper-versed in Everything Transformers. It's for the same reasons we implemented "Major (character name here)"s on the disambiguation pages. Generalities is kind of the ''aim''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:06, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
:::::::But the descriptors aren't "small blue truck." None of them list either color or size. Instead we see "Cybertronian space cruiser", "Cybertronian jet", and "Cybertronian shuttle" directly adjacent to each other. The amount of space we reasonably have available, and the undeniable vagueness of many TF toys, makes me think our setup isn't the right one for helping people identify unknown / barely remembered toys. And then there's the question of how someone with an unknown / barely remembered toy would know to go to the right series in the first place. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 09:21, 4 October 2023 (EDT)
::::::::I do think listing the most predominant color(s) could be helpful. Shortening the "Cybertronian [x]" to "Cyber[x]" when possible, or omitting it (in the case of the space cruiser for example, since those don't actually exist outside of sci-fi) could help. As far as the usefulness factor goes--at least in my personal experience--as I've been working on identification of my spouse's childhood toys, we're usually able to identify the era but don't know the name of the specific toy (especially in the case of UT and and toy-only movie guys). Being able to control+F "green" and/or "jet" to find them would have saved me a lot of time. --[[User:Ashendawn|Ashendawn]] ([[User talk:Ashendawn|talk]]) 11:58, 4 October 2023 (EDT)
::::::::You're getting incredibly lost in vicious pedantry over something that's still in the process. You're acting like the proposal was for something EXACTLY unchanged from what was presented as a prototype, that still (and always would) be tweakable to see what worked better. Part of proposing this is to see if the wording and exact formatting could be tweaked, and other people have added ideas to it that I think really improve on things. The phrasing can be changed, and actually has been in the working example. ("RE: "Cybertronian", we could go with "tech" or "sci-fi" instead if we need that kind of qualifier or for space issues.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:41, 4 October 2023 (EDT)
::::::Oh and I think making the descriptors small text helps a lot, but not wild about changing the number of columns; in most cases that'd leave some real MASSIVE gaps. Brevity will help alleviate width/clutter concerns. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:08, 2 October 2023 (EDT)

== Alternators/Binaltech headers on toy pages ==

It feels like something from the old days of the wiki that has become outdated by our modern standards. Binaltech is not its own toyline, it's just the Takara version of Alternators, as reflected by both lines [[Transformers: Alternators|sharing the same page]]. So I propose we stop using "Alternators/Binaltech" headers on toy pages. Keep "Binaltech" on characters that ''only'' have Takara toys and standardize to just "Alternators" on all pages with either only Hasbro toys or both Hasbro and Takara toys. To use similar examples, we only have "[[Fortress Maximus (RID)#Car Robots|Car Robots]]" and "[[Lockdown (RID)#Adventure|Adventure]]" headers on Takara-only toy pages, while all other pages have "Robots in Disguise (2001)" and "Robots in Disguise (2015)" regardless of if they have Takara toys or not. There's no "Robots in Disguise/Car Robots" or "Robots in Disguise/Adventure" headers. So can we please start using the same standard to Alternators? --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 14:58, 29 June 2023 (EDT)

== Energon Universe coverage ==

With Void Rivals #2 due out next week, I think we need to start a discussion about how much coverage we give non-TF issues in the Energon Universe. This isn't like IDW where the shared universe element came years later; we're starting out on the ground floor, with Transformers part of the universe from the very first released issue. It's going to be closely involved with all the comics going forward, so I think we need to figure out if we're going to cover everything, and if not, what qualifies for coverage. For example, it sounds like Energon is going to be a recurring element in both Void Rivals and G.I. Joe. Is that alone enough to qualify, or do there need to be actual Transformers characters? I think we need to start asking these sorts of questions so we can figure out the scope of our coverage. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:39, 10 July 2023 (EDT)
:I'm fine with covering everything. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 23:42, 10 July 2023 (EDT)
:I am also in favor of covering it all, the universe has established immediately that Transformers seem to be intrinsic to it, and this way we can keep all reading to one wiki. [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 23:46, 10 July 2023 (EDT)
::Agreed. They are presenting it as a shared, intrinsically connected universe - and yeah it's called the Energon Universe so that's very clearly transformery to us unless energon moves on from here to be a generic hasbroverse term, which we doubt. [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 23:52, 10 July 2023 (EDT)
:Yeah. I think "cover everything" is the best approach to begin with, and then if we want to discuss splitting things off at a later date we can do that. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 00:00, 11 July 2023 (EDT)
:Nothing against a "cover everything" either. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 00:53, 12 July 2023 (EDT)

==Stock image sizes==
Okay, I wanted to bring this up before going on a revertathon but... is there ANY need for HD stock imagery here? Frankly, 4000x2000 images at nearly a meg each seems like absolute overkill and just adding incrementally to server load (good god various Optimuses' toy pages are bad enough as it is, we prolly shouldn't be doing things to make that worse). We just need images big enough to be clear, we're not here to archive print-quality images. I've been sticking to a general 600px vertical with the odd 700px for bigger/more involved toys when doing pics, and like, that sure seems more than fine. Once you hit 1000px it feels real excessive. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 04:01, 3 August 2023 (EDT)

== Video game cameos ==

{{collist|2|
*[[Kunai]]
*[[Sawtooth (G1)]]
*[[Tricerashot (G1)]]
*[[Windstrike (G1)]]
*[[Zori (G1)]]
*[[Bashbreaker (G1)]]
*[[Baru (G1)]]
*[[Bido (G1)]]
*[[Gabu (G1)]]}}

I'm not seeing the point in being persnickety about continuity families when it comes to mobile game cameos, especially when said game already has established characters from other continuity families. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:52, 6 August 2023 (EDT)
:If you bothered to do some due diligence, you would know these guys are selectable for individual play, not "cameos". As long as our continuity family policy remains in place, they merit pages just as ''Prime'' Knock Out's G1 transplant does. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:56, 6 August 2023 (EDT)
::Dude, they're support units without any real role in the story (which, again, includes multiversal travelers already). That's cameo level to me. It's not comparable to Knock Out. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:04, 6 August 2023 (EDT)
:::Late, but they're definitely not cameos. The COMBAT bots frequently have their own dialogue and play a part in the event storylines. They're probably ''exactly'' the same situation as Knock Out, who so far as I can tell was introduced without any fanfare as to whether he's a native to the ''Earth Wars'' universe or a dimension-hopper. The same even appears true of "Breakdown Prime"! In the past, when characters from other continuities have shown up, there's always been lots of hullabaloo in the dialogues explaining where they've come from. It's silly to make definitive claims one way or another until we successfully scrape the scripts from the last couple of years and can read everything, so under current wiki policy unless someone can produce dialogues where Windstrike says "whoa, this Earth Wars universe is crazy, not at all like my home reality!" we just have to assume they're G1 versions of those characters and give them separate pages. Personally, I would actually ''agree'' that it's really silly to have created all of these tiny stub pages for these so-called "continuity transplants", and even brought up the fact earlier on the Portal that nobody had seemed to consider it problematic when they were all just lumped in on the Aligned pages, but if this is how it's gotta be then someone who feels strongly about the split oughta commit to having the coverage on the G1 pages, not the Aligned pages, and disambiguate between them properly. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 08:14, 25 August 2023 (EDT)

== Subcategory trimming ==

Looking at some of our character categories, such as the subcats under [[:Category:Generation 1 Autobots]] and [[:Category:Generation 1 Decepticons]], I'm starting to wonder if all of these are strictly necessary. I think there's merit to having categories for whole franchises, but I'm unsure whether we necessarily need to add more categories for inclusion in specific media or toylines, like "G1 cartoon Autobots" or "G1 toy Decepticons"; after a while, it starts to feel a little excessive and perhaps even counterproductive. Thoughts? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:44, 23 August 2023 (EDT)
:On the one hand, with "G1" being basically Brobdingnagian in scope, I think media/toyline subcategorization is definitely important... but I'm unsold in either direction on if the Autobot/Decep split in said subcats are necessary. I ''will'' put forward the argument ''for'' the subcategorization that categories are a very helpful method of quick-checking "who's in group x", especially with something as massive as "the Marvel comics cast". Looking for obscure comic Decepticons to maybe feature in something is a lot easier when you don't have to fish through a list that also includes every obscure comic-only Autobot. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:53, 23 August 2023 (EDT)
:: I"m good for keeping "Generation 1 cartoon" and "Marvel comic" categories the way we do with Dreamwave, IDW1, and IDW2 characters (although I think that the Marvel category should be merged with the preexisting [[:Category:Regeneration One Decepticons]] into a single "Marvel Comics continuity" category). "Generation 1 toy" seems... less necessary to me. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 19:31, 23 August 2023 (EDT)
::: The [[:Category:Generation 1 Seekers]] and [[:Category:Generation 1 Aerialbots]] categories are good and useful categories to me, as the subgroup is the main thing, in these cases (IMO), and the subgroups have been divided on the franchise/continuity-family level.--[[User:Karanseraph|Karanseraph]] ([[User talk:Karanseraph|talk]]) 12:25, 25 August 2023 (EDT)
I would definitely dump the Regeneration One categories. It's just a miniseries, and not a very impactful one at that. Plus, 99% of those characters are already in Marvel G1 anyway. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:30, 25 August 2023 (EDT)

== Wiki Format ==

I have a question regarding the set-up of this site. It is one of the only ones I've seen not using fandom and has a nice set up. The Gundam fandom users are talking about maybe moving off of fandom, and this site has shown promising to be a potential new site if a similar format can be created but changed to be Gundam style. I know of someone who "runs" the wiki, and would like to possibly get in contact with them to look at this and see if its plausible replacement for that. If anyone can do something like that, or if it's not possible to use this format like that, then please lmk, thnx! (PS: I'm on the discord, GrootimusPrime, if that would be easier contact as that's also how I'll probably get the Gundam wiki spokesperson to see.) [[User:SkywarpsTwin|SkywarpsTwin]] ([[User talk:SkywarpsTwin|talk]]) 11:29, 7 September 2023 (EDT)
:The skin we use is just one of the standard skins that comes with Mediawiki (Monobook) with some styling applied. If they have someone who is expert at tweaking stylesheets, they should be fine doing that, though there are other standard skins they could also look at tweaking. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:05, 7 September 2023 (EDT)
::Alright thanks, Ill look into that and relay to Iserlohn. Thanks! [[User:SkywarpsTwin|SkywarpsTwin]] ([[User talk:SkywarpsTwin|talk]])
What hosting service is used? While I'm not quite sure of preferences of admin, I'm just looking into cheaper hosts that can run this wiki to be good and useable for all editors, as they span most of the world, centering around Asia and America. (PS. If anyone knows Fandom gund-wiki users, please keep this on the low-down, we are attempting to keep this relatively low-key as there has been problems between ours and their teams. Thanks.) [[User:SkywarpsTwin|SkywarpsTwin]] ([[User talk:SkywarpsTwin|talk]]) 09:55, 12 September 2023 (EDT)
:We're hosted by Linode. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:04, 12 September 2023 (EDT)

== Include these? ==

I feel like on fiction related pages, we should include major event sections (so readers don't have to spend 10h scouring the page for info). And maybe we also should indicate some characters' debut (and also indicate when it is the first time a char appears on that continuity, like hot rod debuting in the movie, then state which ep he debuted in the show proper, and so on so forth).[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 19:26, 7 September 2023 (EDT)
:I feel like this would be more character based, as there are subcategories, mostly of continuities and such, but then major events would typically be character based, as outside of debuts, most characters major events are different than others and arent shared.[[User:SkywarpsTwin|SkywarpsTwin]] ([[User talk:SkywarpsTwin|talk]]) 10:15, 12 September 2023 (EDT)

== Gundam ==
So I've noticed a few references to Gundam here, and a few important people mentioned regarding it, but the links all go to the wiki page which isn't really that helpful, so I was wondering if I could possibly make a new page for it similar to like the go-bots where it gives a gist of it and directs to mentions of people related to it in here? [[User:SkywarpsTwin|SkywarpsTwin]] ([[User talk:SkywarpsTwin|talk]]) 09:26, 21 September 2023 (EDT)
:No. Wiki pages are only made for other properties when they cross over ''directly'' with Transformers. Just sharing tropes or staff isn't enough. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 09:33, 21 September 2023 (EDT)
::Then second question, where does one email Hasbro to angrily complain about the fact there hasn't been a crossover on the most crossover-able series ever. Literally they are perfect for each other, and if Gundam can crossover with hello kitty I think tformers would be good.[[User:SkywarpsTwin|SkywarpsTwin]] ([[User talk:SkywarpsTwin|talk]]) 09:37, 21 September 2023 (EDT)
:::This isn't the place for this. Talk pages are for meaningful discussions on how to improve the wiki, not for fandom bantering. -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 09:48, 21 September 2023 (EDT)

== Fandom Terminology: #maccadam ==
So on the Fandom Page we have a page for fandom terminology that became official and we also have a Category for Fan Terminology, right? 
Maybe it could be useful to have an actual page dedicated to widespread fanmade terms aswell in order to make it easier to get into the fandom? 
Similarly to the Page for "Ruined FOREVER", which is essentially also just a list for common (ridiculous) opinions so to speak. 
For example the #maccadam tag is mostly used for Fanart on platforms like Twitter, Instagram etc. but looking it up on Google leads you to the actual character and it takes some time to find an actual explanation what the tag actually means (it was supposed to make it easier for fans to differentiate between Bayverse and Non-Bayverse Content. Interesting way to split the fandom y'all.). 
The Fanart community is really big for Transformers and given that Fan fiction even has its own page I feel it to also be logical to include the Fanart-Tag somewhere. 
As an alternative, the tag could also just be mentioned in Maccadam's wiki entry in the Trivia section, but yeah that's why I'm here, to wonder and ask before adding info on the fandom. 
[[User:Thunderwave|Thunderwave/Bwans_Art]] ([[User talk:Thunderwave|talk]]) 17:54, 20 October 2023 (EDT)

== Remastering the Wiki's logo and background ==
This proposal is to recreate the current logo and background of the wiki in nicer quality and colors that are more accurate to the Transformers Animated logo.

It would NOT be a redesign of the wiki's skin, I'm talking about simply replacing the current files for ones in a nicer resolution. This would also be more convenient to any social media publication that requires the use of the logo, which has become a running issue due to the unavailability of a high quality file of it.

To elaborate on the colors, the current logo and background have noticeably darker and purpler shades of blue than the Animated logo, so ideally the new versions would correct that.

As an added value, having newer files whose PSD/AI files are available could open the doors to variations for Holidays such as Christmas or Halloween, which had been done in the past. [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 16:54, 26 October 2023 (EDT)

:I think that it would be a nice idea. Does this also mean remastering the headers of the links (The "Navigation", "Search", "Toolbox" and "Advertisement" thingies.) on the sides of each webpage? [[User:JJ2104|JJ2104]] ([[User talk:JJ2104|talk]]) 18:29, 27 October 2023 (EDT)
:That is a possibility, yes. It will depend on how well they look alongside the hypothetical new Logo and Background. [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 23:49, 27 October 2023 (EDT)
:I'd say this is a no-brainer and probably something we should be doing every few years. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:13, 28 October 2023 (EDT)

== Up button ==

As per a request, I added a floating up button that will take you to the top of the page you're on. It should only appear once you've scrolled a little way down a page, and will take you back to the top when clicked. I'm adding this section here so people can offer feedback. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 20:34, 27 October 2023 (EDT)
:I see it when I load a page and it goes away when I scroll down. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:42, 27 October 2023 (EDT)
::It might require doing a shift-reload or whatever the equivalent is in your browser, as stuff can get cached. If that doesn't fix it, let me know which browser you're using, as it might be browser specific. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 20:47, 27 October 2023 (EDT)
::Gotcha, works now. (Using Chrome.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:56, 27 October 2023 (EDT)

:Oh that's nice. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:12, 27 October 2023 (EDT)
:I like it! -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 22:09, 27 October 2023 (EDT)
:I personally find the new up button a bit distracting (I think just because it's a large button placed in the middle of the important content part, though I understand we don't have unlimited screen real estate here) but I can see its purpose. I like the red arrow which matches well with the GO! buttons, gives it cohesion and prevents it from clashing with the rest of the site aesthetically too much. Personally blocking it in uBlock Origin for now myself just because it's not too useful for me personally, but I can imagine a quick way to the top being a valuable addition. --[[User:ShyAndroid|ShyAndroid]] ([[User talk:ShyAndroid|talk]]) 23:57, 27 October 2023 (EDT)
::I can kinda see the opinion of it being distracting, what with it being a bright red object appearing in the top-middle of the screen. Were it off to the side like, say, on the top-right or bottom-right corner of the screen, it'd be more conveniently out of the way. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 02:44, 28 October 2023 (EDT)
:::Definitely a great UX improvement. As to workshopping, perhaps moving it to the left of the screen where we maintain a big ol bar of negative space anyway? Presuming we can set it only to appear once the reader is below the bottom banner ad to avoid overlap, of course. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 03:30, 28 October 2023 (EDT)
::::I dunno, if we're gonna move it to either side, maybe the right near the scroll bar would be better and more intuitive, people're more likely to look in that direction if they wanna jump (and if this works on mobile, which I've not checked, even better since mobile scroll bars ''suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck''). I think the center is fine tho. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 03:58, 28 October 2023 (EDT)
:::::Nah, having it in the centre looks hideous. It'd be better off on one of the sides - I'd say the left side, under the banner ad in the negative space column, but the right side could work if it doesn't block the edit buttons or anything like that. [[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] ([[User talk:BattleBlade|talk]]) 10:36, 28 October 2023 (EDT)
:::::: I say the right because putting it on the left would make it appear over all the various sidebars we have over there. We don't have anything on the right side, so it would have plenty of negative space to hover over out of the way. Put it either in the top-right corner or the bottom-right corner. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:05, 28 October 2023 (EDT)
:::::::Again, going left justified is only being discussed ''under the condition'' we can prevent it from appearing until the user is below the sidebars. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:20, 28 October 2023 (EDT)
:::::::I think it's appearing way too early and on pages that are too short. Right now it's hovering there right after the sidebar hits the top of my screen, where scrolling back to the top is laughably easy. Also, having it in the middle doesn't seem readability friendly – I clicked through to this section of discussion from Recent Changes, and having an arrow obscuring the body text of the section I was directly linked to seems like a bad idea. I'm seconding the need for it to be somewhere less obtrusive – preferably the blue space on the left once one scrolls past the sidebars/ad. —[[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 13:31, 28 October 2023 (EDT) P.S. it seems weird to have it on editing/backstage pages??
:::::::I agree with the opinion that the mostly empty space on the lower left is the best solution, appearing after all the actual stuff there is out of the way. Articles short enough to not go past the useful part of the left side benefit little from its appearance since the left sidebars aren't all too long, and it's a convenient spot where it wouldn't block anything else. While I can see where people discussing placement in the lower right are coming from, if we can get it appearing after all of the important things, I'd be in full support of its placement in the lower left. [[User:ShyAndroid|ShyAndroid]] ([[User talk:ShyAndroid|talk]]) 14:26, 28 October 2023 (EDT)
:::::I would prefer that it appear ''only'' on mobile if it has to appear at all. When I browse webpages on my PC, I can just hit the Home key to jump to the top. [[User:Bag of Magic Food|Bag of Magic Food]] ([[User talk:Bag of Magic Food|talk]]) 15:14, 28 October 2023 (EDT)
:Since a lot of users on the Discord were confused by its appearance, it does seem that its function isn't immediately obvious at first glance, so we may implement a new version with "GO to top!" written below it for clarity. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:01, 28 October 2023 (EDT)

Transform and Roll Out

2021-08-11T06:18:02Z

Bag of Magic Food: /* Foreign localization */ Did you know there was Super Sentai music in this?! ...That's all I got.

{{disambig2|the ''Transformers Animated'' multi-part episode|the command phrase|roll out}}
{{episode|
|series=Anitoon
|series2=AniJapan
|image=TFA_TFandRollout_AutobotHeroes.jpg
|caption=''Epic''
|next=Home Is Where the Spark Is
|next2=Sound and Fury
|ep=1, 2 and 3
|next=Home Is Where the Spark Is
|title="Transform and Roll Out"
|airdate=[[December 26]], [[2007]]
|written by=[[Marty Isenberg]]
|directed by= [[Matt Youngberg]] [[Yutaka Kagawa]] [[Minoru Yamaoka]] [[Makoto Fuchigami]]
|animation studio= [[Mook]]
|continuity=[[Animated cartoon continuity]]}}
'''When a small crew of maintenance Autobots comes into possession of the powerful AllSpark, a battle with their long-forgotten enemies sends them crashing toward a strange, distant planet known as... ''Earth.'''''

==Synopsis==
===Part 1===
In deep, deep space, [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] watches a history vid of the [[Great War (Animated)|Great War]], prompting [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] to complain about him watching that "junk" when the other members of the crew need assistance. Prime wonders if they were designed for more than repairing [[space bridge]]s. The two 'Bots transform into their vehicle modes and head out into the asteroid field.

[[File:TFA TFandRollout TheAllsparkdiscovered.jpg|left|upright=0.85|thumb|Well... at least there's no [[Size changing|mass-shifting]].]]
Outside, [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]], dangling from a high rock by his wrecking ball (and becoming quite queasy in the process), is freed by [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]], who also ends up taking a tumble. Bumblebee complains about the sheer amount of rocks blocking the space bridge node, and one is shattered unexpectedly by [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]]'s throwing star. Prime gives his troops a speech about teamwork (which Prowl moans at theatrically), but at that point the space bridge lights up, sending rocks and Autobots flying. Fancy footwork by Optimus saves each of his teammates from the debris, and a well-aimed grappling line shuts down the bridge. With his subordinates stunned at their leader's skills, Prime is forced to admit he trained at [[Autobot Academy|Cybertron's military academy]]. Bumblebee's query as to what the heck he's doing on a nowhere maintenance assignment is left unanswered as they notice something glowing in the rubble.

Prime clears away the debris to reveal a large, chest-like object. Ratchet is horrified and immediately demands they throw it back into the space bridge, but an alert from [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Teletran-1]] announces the arrival of a signature consistent with the long-lost [[Decepticon]]s. Ratchet then insists they take the object and just get out of there post-haste.

[[File:TFA TFandRollout Decepticonship.jpg|right|upright=0.85|thumb|Yes, this is a scout ship. Way to go, Magnanimous.]]
On board their ship, Ratchet finally reveals what they've found: the [[AllSpark]], the source of all Transformer life that was lost centuries ago. Optimus, worried about the oncoming Decepticon signal, contacts the [[Elite Guard|Cybertron Elite Guard]] for help. After taking a bit of snark from [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]], Optimus reveals what they found, which shuts Sentinel up fast. Sentinel then puts the crew through to [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]], who tells Optimus Prime to stay put while they send reinforcements... and not to worry about that Decepticon thing. Optimus, considering this to be a really stupid move, orders the crew to start booking it out of there.

[[File:Ani crew.JPG|left|upright=1.1|thumb|[[Scotty]], engage!]]
This proves wise, as the signal is indeed a Decepticon ship—a [[Nemesis (Animated)|command ship]], in fact. The identification markings are ones that Optimus and Ratchet recognize, meaning its commander can only be one person: [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]], leader of the Decepticons. On board the Decepticon ship, [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] doubts the AllSpark is aboard the Autobot ship and declares Megatron a fool. [[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]] denounces Starscream as a traitor, while [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] calls Lugnut an idiot for his blind loyalty and [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] just acts... well, crazy. The Decepticons continue to bicker at each other until Megatron enters, shutting up all of them. The Decepticons chase the Autobot ship, and Starscream volunteers to board them. Megatron quickly shoots that idea down, saying he'll tend to this matter personally. Just before he leaves, Starscream wishes his commander "luck" with a pat on the back... affixing a bomb to Megatron in the process.

Megatron makes his way to the Autobots' ship and begins to melt his way through its hull. Optimus uses external manipulator arms to grapple with Megatron, until the bomb detonates, sending the ship careening uncontrollably into a space bridge node, which explodes after they go through the gate. Starscream begins to make a speech declaring himself the new Decepticon leader, but the other three have abandoned ship, noting that the fireball from the space bridge explosion is only getting larger. Too late, Starscream realizes the trouble he's in...

An unknown distance away, the Autobot ship reappears above a [[Earth|small blue and green planet]]. Prime checks on his troops, but Megatron has gotten aboard, having survived the explosion, but at the cost of his right arm. Prime uses his grappling line to shut off the gravity, making it more difficult for Megatron to fight. All five Autobots face off against the Decepticon, but he's too strong (though Prowl does manage to cut off Megatron's damaged arm). Prime and Megatron both end up in the storage bay where the AllSpark is... and as the ship enters the atmosphere, Prime is able to blow the hatch and kick the screaming Megatron out of the ship.

[[File:TFA TFandRollout Arkatmosphere.jpg|right|upright=0.85|thumb|Oddly familiar.]]
On a small farm, a young boy hears a thud and runs to where something has landed in a not-too-distant field. He is shocked to find a robotic head staring lifelessly up at him.

Meanwhile, Prime orders his team into emergency stasis pods to prepare for a crash-landing. He manages to steer the ship away from the city below and gets to a stasis pod just before the ship plunges into [[Lake Erie]].

Fifty years later, [[Detroit]] is once again a thriving city, but instead of manufacturing automobiles, robots are the city's stock-in-trade. [[Isaac Sumdac (Animated)|Isaac Sumdac]] is talking to a public school class taking a tour of his facilities, which gets interrupted by Isaac's daughter, [[Sari Sumdac (Animated)|Sari Sumdac]], and her robot dog, [[Sparkplug (robot dog)|Sparkplug]]. As Sari is carted off to her lessons by a [[Tutor Bot|robot tutor]], Isaac shows the school kids a nanotech lab, just in time to witness a roach infused with microbots grow out of control and start consuming everything in sight. Isaac tries to keep things calm, but the monster bursts out of the lab...

===Part 2===
[[File:TFA TFandRollout Firefighters monster.jpg|left|upright=0.85|thumb|Yeah, watering it will surely stop the beast.]]
The monster continues to grow, absorbing just about everything it touches to increase its size and power. In the process, it destroys a lot of the factory. [[Carmine Fanzone|Captain Fanzone]], the S.W.A.T team, the fire department, ambulances, and robot drones arrive, but the creature absorbs several of the responding vehicles, too. Fanzone uses a bazooka-type weapon and destroys the beast, despite Sumdac's objection. This protest proves well-founded, as the remnants of the creature start flowing back together again, save for one piece that drops into the nearby lake and works its way down to the Autobots' ship, its nanites seeking the absorbable technology there. It infiltrates via a small breach in the outer hull, but thankfully, the ship's intruder alert systems are functional and awaken the Autobots before any damage is done. Examining the situation, they decide to have Teletran-1 give them Earth forms so they can blend in and help out. A probe is launched into the chaos and scans various vehicles, including an ambulance, a police motorcycle, an armored personnel carrier, a fire truck, and [[Captain Fanzone's car]]. Everyone deploys except Ratchet, who remains behind to analyze the sample of alien material.

[[File:TFA TFandRollout Autobots.jpg|right|upright=1.1|thumb|[[Avengers]], ASSEMBLE!]]
During the fight, Bulkhead and Bumblebee spot Sari trying to wrest her security key from Sparkplug's mouth. Mistaking which is owner and which is pet, they approach her, but Bulkhead's greeting only scares her away. She quickly gets nabbed by the monster, but Bumblebee saves her, earning her trust and friendship. Prowl attempts to take on the bug-slug by himself, against Prime's orders, and gets absorbed. Prime orders Ratchet to join them in battle to save Prowl, but the old veteran insists that finding a "cure" code to neutralize the nanites' programming makes more sense than coming out and getting trashed. A somewhat chastened Prime agrees, and Ratchet soon delivers the goods. However, the new program must be uploaded by direct contact—meaning from inside the monster. This means the smallest, fastest one of them has to do it. Bumblebee reluctantly takes on the task. The beast has been using some of Prowl's absorbed intelligence and comm link tech, though, so it knows what they're planning and is now smart enough to fight back. Despite this, Bumblebee succeeds in delivering the code, and the bug dissolves into a dusty shower of deactivated nanites. Prowl is soon uncovered, but he's suffered grave wounds and must be taken back to the Autobots' ship for repairs. Sari pesters Bumblebee to be taken along, and her new friend reluctantly agrees, since there's no time to make her go away quietly.

[[File:TFA TFandRollout Sari followedmehome.jpg|left|upright=0.85|thumb|Bumblebee, having a pet is a big responsibility.]]
Once on board, Sari's refusal to stay still and quiet causes 'Bee some embarrassment. He quickly and discreetly ejects her into a ventilation port and joins the others. However, the port opens onto a shaft that takes Sari right to the chamber where the AllSpark is being kept. Curious, she touches it, and it reacts to her, sending its energies into her security card key and reconfiguring it into [[AllSpark Key|a key of another sort entirely]]. Prime finds her almost immediately thereafter, but with no time left to spare away from Prowl, he has to bring her back with him to the repair table. Ratchet's prognosis is bleak, but the [[AllSpark Key]] abruptly reacts, glowing and tugging her toward Prowl. Bumblebee, seeming to grasp what's happening, helps her onto the table, and as she approaches, her Key reshapes itself to fit into a slot on Prowl's chest. She inserts it, and with a burst of energy, the Autobot ninja is whole again. The Autobots then take Sari home and, after a brief misunderstanding, are made heroes and are even invited to a ceremony.

In outer space, Starscream sits aboard the damaged but functional Decepticon ship, babbling that he will find the AllSpark, even though he's been attempting it on his own for the last fifty solar cycles. The ship's computers then detect the traces of AllSpark-like energy in action, and Starscream learns where the Autobots are...
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===Part 3===
[[File:Sariprime.jpg|right|upright=0.85|thumb|INSERT WHAT WHERE?!]]
The Autobots are later seen trying to fit in. Bulkhead gets firsthand experience in traffic jams, some birds mistake Prowl for the statue of the {{w|Hazen S. Pingree|bald guy}} next to him, Bumblebee learns how organics fuel up, and Ratchet can't get a stasis nap without getting a dozen or so parking tickets. Optimus Prime remarks that the Autobots are programmed to respect life, which they always understood to stem from the AllSpark, but as organics are life, they must respect and protect them too. Optimus also expresses curiosity about how little organics are made. Sari's whispered explanation leaves him rather... shocked. The Autobots make a [[Autobot Earth Base|new home base]] out of a building Sari's dad got out of a merger, an abandoned auto factory that Bumblebee describes as a real fixer-upper—a REAL fixer-upper. All of a sudden, they get alerted to a fire. The Autobots proceed to douse the blaze and save its victims, no problem, unaware they are being watched by Starscream.

The next day, during the inauguration ceremony for the Sumdac [[Fully Automated Rapid Transit System]] (F.A.R.T.S., for short), Starscream enters Earth's atmosphere and takes on a group of fighter jets. He destroys all but one, which he scans. As the civilians and Autobots watch the aerial display of the [[Crimson Angels]], Isaac Sumdac notices there is an extra jet present that he didn't hire. That one jet then leaves the formation and streaks toward the ceremony platform, where it transforms into Starscream, who fires his null-ray cannons at the Autobots.

After a short fight, which the Autobots lose, Starscream knocks out Bumblebee and takes him, Isaac, the mayor, and Capt. Fanzone hostage in the F.A.R.T.S. train, flying it to the top of a very tall tower. He demands that the Autobots deliver the AllSpark if they want him to release the train car. The Autobots don't trust him, but don't want to risk human lives, so Sari offers a plan, but they ignore her. She continues to tell a sob story until the Autobots listen. The Autobots proceed with her plan, and Prowl and Sari fly up to the transit pod to rescue the hostages while the other Autobots keep Starscream busy. Once Starscream realizes what's happening, he takes a brief beating but recovers quickly. Starscream then throws the train—thus keeping his end of the deal—with Sari, Prowl, and Bumblebee on top of/in it. Between Bumblebee's agility and Prowl's thrusters plus Ratchet's magnets, Sari is rescued and the train lands without much damage. The Autobots then challenge Starscream to a friendly game of Keep Away, during which Starscream almost gets the AllSpark, but Bulkhead gets it instead, because he said he got it. A furious Starscream unleashes a devastating, prolonged (as in nearly 12 seconds) null-ray blast on the Autobots, briefly knocking them all senseless.

[[File:TFA TFandRollout Prime SS Allsparkactivates.jpg|left|upright=0.85|thumb|In the old days, [[The Touch]] would have started playing now.]]
With the Autobots down, Starscream takes the AllSpark from Optimus and blows a couple of blocks of Detroit right off the map. Not ready to give up, Optimus climbs all the way up a building to get it back from Starscream, which Starscream doesn't see coming because he was too busy gloating. After a quick back-and-forth exchange of possessing it, both grab it at the same time. As they struggle, the AllSpark opens and emits a strange energy wave that blasts Starscream away.

The explosion has left Prime dangling precariously, and he takes a tremendous plummet to the pavement. He notes weakly that he now knows what it feels like to be a hero, then dies, but Sari uses the AllSpark Key to revive him.<ref>[[The many deaths of Optimus Prime|This is something of an Optimus Prime record]]: Dead after only three episodes, revived a mere 75 seconds later. Way to go.</ref> The Autobots later go about fixing up Detroit, earning the enduring gratitude of the citizenry. Professor Sumdac is also grateful, for the Autobots saved him and Sari, but he fears what will happen if the Autobots—not to mention the rest of the world—were to discover the source of his robotic empire.

Unseen by Sumdac, one of the [[Sensors|optics]] of his source of technology glows in a darkened room. Megatron still functions...
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==Featured characters==
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*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (1)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (2)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (3)
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (4)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (5)
*[[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] (7)
*[[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] (8)

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*[[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] (9)
*[[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]] (10)
*[[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] (11)
*[[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] (12)
*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (13)

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*[[Isaac Sumdac (Animated)|Isaac Sumdac]] (14)
*[[Daniel Witwicky (Animated)|Daniel]] (17)
*[[Spike Witwicky (Animated)|Spike]] (18)
*[[Carly Witwicky (Animated)|Carly]] (19)
*Kid (20)
*[[Sari Sumdac (Animated)|Sari Sumdac]] (22)
*[[Eddie Fairchild and Matt Conroy|Sumdac technicians]] (24)
*[[Carmine Fanzone|Captain Fanzone]] (25)
*Irate driver (27)
*[[Lester Black]] (29)
*[[Augustus Edsel|Mayor Edsel]] (30)

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*[[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Teletran-1]] (6)
*[[Trash Bot]] (15)
*[[Hot Dog Bot]] (16)
*[[Sparkplug (robot dog)|Sparkplug]] (21)
*[[Tutor Bot]] (23)
*[[Copterdrone]]s (26)
*[[Burger Bot]] (28)}}

==History vid==
{{quote|Many millions of years ago, war raged between the forces of the heroic Autobots and the brutal Decepticons for control of the planet Cybertron. The Autobots battled valiantly in the name of honor—their courageous exploits bringing hope and glory to a beleaguered war-torn planet, and inspiring countless generations of robots yet to come on-line.|Narrator}}
Scene 1: Decepticon troopers attack led by their commander. Their numbers appear overwhelming. 
Scene 2: Two tetrajets pursue two Autobots over a Cybertronian highway. 
Scene 3: [[Omega Sentinel (Animated)|Omega Sentinel]]-like robots counter-attack the Decepticon troopers and appear to turn the tide. 
Scene 4: Transport trucks enter a storage facility. 
Scene 5: [[Dion (G1)|An inspired Transformer]] salute.

==Quotes==
"Do you ever get the feeling that you were programmed for something more than just repairing space bridges?" 
"I got a diagnostics program that can delete that feeling like a bad line of code."
:—'''Optimus Prime''''s dreams are crushed to a fine powder by '''Ratchet'''.

'''Icy Blitzwing''': *freezes Blackarachnia's left arm* As usual, ''Blackarachnia'', youe demeanor is as unpleasant as that accursed, organic mode of yours. 
'''Blackarachnia''': Blow it out your actuator, three face. *snarls and breaks the ice on her hand* 
'''Hothead Blitzwing''': Ze name is '''BLITZWING''', insect! REMEMBER IT! Because it's the last thing you're going to hear before I- 
'''Random Blitzwing''': Express my feelings in song! ZE ITSY BITSY SPIDER...
:—Blitzwing cements his position as a fan favorite in less than a minute.

"What do you want now, Starscream?" 
"Only to wish you luck, my liege." 
"I do not believe in luck." 
"Neither do I."
:—'''Megatron''' fails to notice '''Starscream''' place his explosive.

"Know what? You're even uglier at this angle!"
:—'''Bumblebee''' is about to realize there are some things you should never, EVER, say to a Decepticon.

"Hi, I'm Bumblebee!" 
"I'm Sari." 
"Oh, don't be, I like my name."
:—'''Bumblebee''' and '''Sari''' are off to an awkward start.

"Y'know, all things considered, fixin' space bridges wasn't such a bad gig."
:—'''Bumblebee''', just before embarking on the plan to dissolve the bug monster.

"Uh...am I going to be able to ''breathe'' down there?" 
"Oh, sure! ...What's 'breathe'?"
:—'''Sari''' is in good hands with '''Bumblebee'''.

"And to think, Ultra Magnus told me not to be a hero. Is this what it was like in your day?" 
"The Decepticons didn't leave us very much to cheer about."
:—'''Optimus Prime''' and '''Ratchet''' at the ceremony.

"Enjoy it while you can, 'heroes.' You're about to take a fall."
:—'''Starscream''', watching a news report on the Autobots.

"Give up the AllSpark or give up the Earth. How am I supposed to decide?" 
"Heroes are the ones who make the hard choices."
:—'''Optimus Prime''' and '''Ratchet''' after Starscream makes his ultimatum.

"Let go, Autobot!" 
"Never! The AllSpark is life!" 
"Then, let it end yours!"
:—'''Starscream''' and '''Optimus Prime''', fighting over the AllSpark.

"So, this...is what it feels like...to be a hero."
:—'''Optimus Prime''', just before dying.

"Fixing bridges? Isn't this where we started out?"
:—'''Bumblebee''', as the Autobots clean up the city.

==Notes==

===Transformers references===
*The title of the episode itself is a [[Roll out|reference to past Transformers lore]].
*Footage from the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]] episodes "[[War Dawn (episode)|War Dawn]]" and "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]" is used as history tapes detailing the events of the first [[Great War (Animated)|Great War]], millions of years prior, accompanied by narration from [[Corey Burton]] doing his best impression of [[Victor Caroli]]. [[Canon|This]] has been confirmed as purely an in-joke, and should not be taken as linking ''Animated'' to G1, continuity wise.
*The [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Autobot ship]] here bears a distinct resemblance to the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], albeit with a colour scheme more reminiscent of [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]. (As we learn [[A Bridge Too Close, Part II|much later]], there is a very good reason for that.)
*Bumblebee says "[[Rattrap (BW)|We're all gonna die.]]"
*Sari's robotic dog [[Sparkplug (robot dog)|Sparkplug]] is likely named after either [[Sparkplug Witwicky]] from G1, the ''Armada'' Mini-Con [[Sparkplug (Armada)|Sparkplug]], or both.
[[File:Spikecarlydanielanimated.jpg|right|upright=0.85|thumb|Twenty years later, and they're still overdressed.]]
*Characters resembling [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]], [[Carly]], and [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel Witwicky]] are seen at a hot dog stand, purchasing some sort of futuristic bunless wieners-on-a-stick. The characters went on to become recurring figures in the background cast of the show, and in "[[Garbage In, Garbage Out]]" it was revealed that their names were... [[Spike Witwicky (Animated)|Spike]], [[Carly Witwicky (Animated)|Carly]] and [[Daniel Witwicky (Animated)|Daniel Witwicky]].
*When Optimus Prime dies, his body fades to grays, just as [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Generation 1 Optimus Prime]] did in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''. His spark chamber opens in much the same manner as well.
*Teletran-1 (spelled with only one "a" in this universe) dispatches a small satellite very similar to the [[Sky Spy]] satellite used on occasion by the Autobots in the ''Generation 1'' cartoon. The glowing energy "boxes" with which it scans vehicles for the Autobots to transform into are lifted wholesale out of "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]".
*At one point, Bulkhead refers to Optimus as "Boss-bot", echoing an epithet used for ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]] by the [[Fuzor]] [[Quickstrike (BW)|Quickstrike]], and also used by Cheetor refer to Optimus Primal. Bumblebee also calls Optimus "Big-bot", again a term used by Cheetor to refer to Optimus.

===Real world references===
*In this episode, [[Tutor Bot]] tries to teach Sari about the {{w|Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act}}, a major economic blunder of the 1930s.
*In this episode, Starscream's engines use a sound effect borrowed from ''The Phantom Menace'': the sound made by Sebulba's podracer engines; and from “Attack of the Clones”: the sound made by Obi-Wan Kenobi's starfighter exiting hyperspace.
*When Prowl gets birdpooped on, he is standing next to a statue of {{w|Hazen S. Pingree}}, four-term mayor of Detroit and one-time governor of Michigan. In real life, the statue is located in Detroit's Grand Circus Park.
*A refurbished Michigan Central Station makes an appearance as the site for the dedication of Detroit's rapid transit system. The real-life station (abandoned since the '80s) was featured in the [[Transformers (film)|2007 live-action movie]].
*When Optimus comes back to life, he asks, "Is this the [[Well of All Sparks]]?" and Sari answers, "No, it's Detroit." This is an allusion to the movie ''Field of Dreams'', in which Shoeless Joe Jackson (Ray Liotta) asks Ray Kinsella (Kevin Costner), "Is this Heaven?" and Ray answers, "No, it's Iowa."
*In the Japanese dub, Bumblebee mentions ''Rescue Fire'', which is another [[TakaraTomy]] property that's based on Takara's Tomica toy car line. Prior to ''Animated''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s Japanese debut, it aired in the same timeslot and channel as ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|Galaxy Force]]'' did.
*The Crimson Angels are a reference to the {{w|Blue Angels}}.

===Animation or technical glitches===
*Megatron's vehicle mode was depicted flying upside-down, or backwards, or possibly both. To be fair, in space, there is no up and down (and to be even fairer, it's really hard to tell from the toys exactly what ''is'' the front of Megatron's Cybertronian spaceship mode), but that does not excuse the fact that any propulsion system used would be in the ''back'' of the mode.
*Prowl sliced off what was left of Megatron's arm below the elbow, but when Ratchet hurls it at Megs, it was sliced above (and subsequently includes) his elbow.
*Megatron's mouth doesn't move when he offers to spare the Autobots’ lives in exchange for the Allspark.
*When the Autobot get into the stasis pods, Prime, Bulkhead, and Ratchet are on the left side, with Bumblebee, Prowl, and an empty pod on the right, in that order. Yet when they get out later in the episode, Prime, Bumblebee, and Bulkhead are on the left, and the empty one, Prowl, and Ratchet on the right.
*As pre-Earth Prime enters the chamber which will re-format his body into his Earth mode, he walks past Ratchet, who is drawn mostly in his pre-Earth mode, except for the fact that his Cybertronian gut is replaced with his ambulance gut. In the next scene, Ratchet is properly drawn, pre-Earth gut and all.
*When Sari says to the Autobots it is okay to put down their hands, Bulkhead's face is black.
*When Bulkhead removes the Allspark from Ratchet's vehicle mode, in one frame the black outlining on his right arm vanishes and reappears one frame later.
*When Starscream tackles Optimus Prime through a building as the Autobot tries to escape with the AllSpark, Optimus's axe is missing from Starscream's left wing. It reappears moments later for Optimus to retrieve it.
*In at least one scene, Starscream's Earth-form wing is shown with a spike, in the same manner as his Cybertronian body.
*When Optimus' chest closes up after his Spark is restored, the wide 'spark cover' section is not seen flipping back down. It disappears when his windows close back over his spark.

===Continuity errors===
*There was a pretty big continuity error evident in the show's very premise that nobody really picked up on, which was: if the AllSpark was the source of Transformer life, and it was jettisoned into space at the end of the Great War, and most of Prime's crew weren't ''alive'' during the Great War... how did they come on-line? Despite the fact that nobody was asking the question, the ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|AllSpark Almanac II]]'' guidebook provided the answer by revealing that there is also a version of [[Vector Sigma]] in the ''Animated'' universe that could also grant life.
*The train Starscream blasts from the tower falls toward the ground very, very slowly.
*When we first meet Starscream, he states that he has been searching for the AllSpark for fifty ''solar'' cycles. In later episodes, a solar cycle is equivalent to a day and a ''stellar'' cycle is used for years. This is the only time a solar cycle has been used to reference years, so either Starscream entered some sort of temporal anomaly or someone messed up. For more <s>confusion</s> information, see our breakdown of [[units of time]].
*Sumdac is using Megatron's hand as a chair. However, he seems to be using the right hand, which was blown up by Starscream. (It ''could'' have fallen off the Autobots' ship, as it was still clinging to the hull when last seen, but that seems unlikely.)
*From Isaac Sumdac's monologue, it seems he ''somehow'' knows the source of this technology has some relation to the Decepticons. But, not only he has no way of knowing that, he [[Blast from the Past|later]] believes Megatron when he presents himself as an Autobot.
**Or, when he expresses his concerns, he could just have meant him dissecting one of their kind.
*When Optimus Prime first tries to activate the Orion's "Omega" emergency defense system, Teletran-1 claims it has been disabled due to energy conservation efforts. However, [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]] [[TransWarped|is in a modified stasis due to being critically injured]], not due to Cybertron's "green" initiatives. Optimus appears to be aware of the [[Omega Sentinel (Animated)|Omega Sentinel]] function, but has never actually used it.

===Trivia===
*Bumblebee's voice is slightly different in this episode from how it sounds later, as is Lugnut's voice, which seems very metallic.
*When mocking the Autobots, Starscream actually calls Megatron "the great Megatron" without any sarcasm. Apparently, he'll only give a sincere compliment to his leader when he's insulting something else. Either that or he's just trying to make ''himself'' sound more impressive by building up the reputation of the one he's defeated.
*According to responses at a panel at BotCon 2008, the unfortunate acronym for Fully Automated Rapid Transit System was totally unintentional...which makes it that much funnier.
*Ratchet is able to use his front windshield as a video screen.
*Several elements present in this opener were changed/dropped in the main series, including expressive vehicle modes, the replacement of solar cycles with stellar cycles in terminology, the recolouring of Ratchet's magnetism from yellow to pink, and Sari's Key changing shape. However, the expressions on vehicle mode were briefly used again by [[Wasp]] in the episode "[[Predacons Rising (Animated)|Predacons Rising]]".
*During [[Sari Sumdac (Animated)|Sari's]] "conversation" with the [[AllSpark]], it shows her the faces of Ultra Magnus, Optimus Prime, Megatron, and Starscream, then the Cybertronian [[Alternate mode|vehicle modes]] for Optimus and Ratchet, the AllSpark's case and the Autobots' ship. Then Sari unknowingly shows the AllSpark a man and a woman in suits, a boy, the planet [[Earth]], pyramids, purple flowers, a horse, an aircraft with a giant cloud coming from the back, a cell and a DNA strand. The woman has dark skin and red hair like Sari.
*This is the only episode in the series where Blackarachnia is shown to be working - or even aligned in any way - with the Decepticons. Beyond the opening [[introdump]] and [[Nemesis (Animated)|abandoning ship]], she's very much an independent agent.
**Although, the same could arguably be said for Starscream.
*This movie was (lovingly) lampooned at the [[MSTF]] panel for [[BotCon 2008]], along with "[[War Dawn (episode)|War Dawn]]", the episode from which most of the "history vid" footage was taken.
*Remarkably, when Optimus Prime's ship began free falling towards Detroit and crashed into Lake Erie, it did not catch one human bystander's attention, even in the dead of night. Now that's a city that sleeps.
*In addition, the giant yellow ship went unnoticed at the bottom of the lake for 50 years straight.
*This episode was adapted in comic book format using screen captures as "[[Transformers Animated Volume 1]]".

===Foreign localization===
'''Brazilian'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Transformar e Avançar!'''" ("Transform and Advance!")
:*''Original airdate:'' ???

'''French'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Les Transformers mettent la gomme'''" ("The Transformers put the pedal to the metal")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[September 3|3 September]] [[2008]]

'''German'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Transformieren und Abfahrt'''" ("Transform and Roll Out")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[May 3|3 May]] [[2008]] (Part 1), [[May 10|10 May]] 2008 (Part 2), [[May 17|17 May]] 2008 (Part 3)

'''Italian'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Viaggio verso l'ignoto'''" ("Journey towards the Unknown")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[September 20|20 September]] [[2008]] (Part 1), [[September 27|27 September]] 2008 (Part 2), [[October 4|4 October]] 2008 (Part 3)

'''Spanish (Latin America)'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Transformense y avancen'''" ("Transform and go forward")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[June 7|7 June]] [[2008]], (The Three episodes)

'''Japanese (Part 1)'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Shinshō! Transformer'''" (新章! トランスフォーマー, "A New Chapter! Transformers")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[April 3|3 April]] [[2010]]

::*The episode begins with the entire [[Otoboto family]] gathered as Yūka and Tatsuya tell the viewers in unison to watch in a well-lit room (to prevent seizures and damage to your eyesight, you know).
::*As the [[title sequence]] begins, [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] asks how everyone is doing, then introduces himself as leader of the Autobots. When he realizes nobody knows who he is, he ''assures'' them that he's leader of the Autobots. Then the [[Transformers Evo.|theme song]] starts.
::*'''Cut:''' Ratchet and Optimus's conversation as they walk down a hall, where Prime refers to feeling like being meant for "more than just repairing space bridges", and Ratchet's snarky response about deleting that feeling "like a bad line of code".
::*'''Cut:''' Bulkhead's comment on their medic being always grumpy, Ratchet responding to Bumblebee's age crack with a smack upside the head and the retort of "I may have one servo in the scrapheap, but I can still hear!".
::*The usual cries of "Transform!" and attack names are added in. ([[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]]'s "stingers" are now called "Energy Stingers", for instance.) Perhaps most annoyingly, ''every single thing Optimus does'' has the prefix of "Ultra" added to it. In the span of ten seconds, he goes through his "Ultra Anchor", "Ultra Axe" and "Ultra Net" attacks.
::*'''Cut:''' After shutting down the space bridge, the following sequence where Ratchet is repairing Bumblebee, Bulkhead commenting about Optimus's moves, Optimus reluctantly admitting that he used to train at the Academy, and Bumblebee saying that he should've been with the Elite Guard.
::*'''Cut:''' Ratchet's poking back at Optimus wanting to see some action, Bumblebee pointing out they're repair bots, Optimus requesting a link with Cybertron Command Headquarters and Bulkhead impressed by it.
::*Teletran-1 now speaks as though "she" is in a state of perpetual orgasm.
::*When the Autobots first happen upon the ''[[Nemesis (Animated)|Nemesis]]'' and all freak over [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]], a new [[scene transition]] is added when transitioning into the discussion between the Decepticon forces. A guitar riff of the classic Generation 1 scene transition music is even used.
::*[[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]]'s personae now speak with thick American accents, and spout English words like "Hey!" and "Man!"
::*New [[commercial bumper]]s have been crafted, featuring stock art of the characters with their voice actors screaming their name, followed by "Transform!"
::*'''Cut:''' [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]]'s entire speech on the bridge ("This is a dark day...") followed by him getting caught in the explosion.
::*When Bulkhead tumbles into Optimus, following his line "A little warning would have helped!", he screams out "Mommyyyyyyy!" Yeah, Japanese Bulkhead ain't so smart.
::*'''Cut:''' After Megatron is kicked from the ship, the establishing shots of Paw Paw (the street sign, the outside of the barn and the scroll across [[Isaac Sumdac (Animated)|Isaac Sumdac]]'s lab).
::*'''Cut:''' Following Prime's line "Not until I've steered us clear of this populated sector!", the brief scenes of the Autobots being sealed in their stasis pods.
::*'''Cut:''' As soon as the ship crashes into Lake Eerie and leaves a stream of upturned water on the surface, the scenes of the ship sinking and Teletran-1 "initiating emergency stasis mode" on the pods as they turn grey. The episode resumes at the long shot of the sinking ship slowly coming toward the camera, with a new voice-over of Teletran-1 telling the Autobots "good night".
::*'''Cut:''' As Isaac Sumdac narrates the history of Detroit and automaton manufacturing, the scene of the trash-collecting automaton has been cut.
::*'''Cut:''' The scenes of [[Sari Sumdac (Animated)|Sari]] pulling the bubblegum off her face, eating it, the crowd reacting in disgust, Isaac Sumdac reacting in frustration, the kid asking Sari what its like to grow up around robots and [[Tutor Bot]] hauling Sari off.
::*'''Cut:''' After the cockroach absorbs the nanobot liquid, all the scenes involving Isaac Sumdac explaining the nanobots to the children and the children looking through microscopes at the nanobots. The sequence cuts to the roach growing bigger.
::*'''Cut:''' The close-up of Isaac Sumdac saying "Nothing to be concerned about, children!" and the kid remarking that "This accident doesn't look too happy". The sequence cuts to the roach crashing through the window behind him.
::*The Otoboto Family segment features [[Hiroyuki Otoboto]] telling his son, [[Tatsuya Otoboto]], about ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers]]'', complete with clips from "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]", as well as a brief musical clip from the songs "Time Bomb Town" (by Lindsey Buckingham, from the ''[[Back to the Future]]'' soundtrack) and "Fairy Godmother Song" (from the ''Shrek 2'' soundtrack). Mr. Otoboto then produces a complete set of ''Animated'' Autobot toys. Tatsuya is thrilled, but wouldn't ya know it? [[Megumi Otoboto|Mrs. Otoboto]] comes in with dinner! During mealtime conversation, Mrs. Otoboto makes the mistake of using the word "transform", which inevitably causes Tatsuya to start talking about Transformers, much to the amusement of his father and the annoyance of his older sister, [[Yūka Otoboto|Yūka]]. Tatsuya then causes a "freeze frame" so that he can introduce himself and his family (messing with his father's glasses in the process for his own amusement). Oddly, despite being "frozen", everyone proceeds to blink. As time resumes its normal pace, Hiroyuki wonders what happened to his glasses. He then digs into his dinner, except, oh no! It's too hot! ''Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!''
::*During the "next episode" segment, Optimus Prime and Bumblebee proceed to have an argument. Bumblebee thinks Optimus's name is too long and hard to remember. Bumblebee suggests that "[[Convoy (rank)|Convoy]]" would be better, but Prime shoots the idea down immediately. Bumblebee opts to call him "Opti" (''Oputi''), since it has fewer syllables. Prime refuses to be called such a name (more fitting for a dog), so Bumblebee settles on "Pu-Pu" after "Opera" (''Opura'') is also rejected for sounding weird. Prime refuses that too, thinking it sounds cute, but that it would be hard not to laugh instinctively at it. Bumblebee then tricks Prime into answering to it, which frustrates him even ''further''. The argument proceeds ''past'' the "next episode" segment and straight into the sponsor cards.

'''Japanese (Part 2)'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Eiyū, sono Na wa Autobot'''" (英雄、その名はオートボット, "The Heroes Are Called Autobots")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[April 10|10 April]] [[2010]]

::*Hiroyuki and Tatsuya Otoboto tell the viewers in unison to watch the episode in a well-lit room (with Hiroyuki giving a creepy wink at the end).
::*Instead of Optimus introducing at the opening, Bumblebee introduces himself and tells viewers to listen to [[JAM Project]]'s [[Transformers Evo.|cool song]].
::*'''Cut:''' The rush of emergency vehicles driving through the city, alongside the following scene of Fanzone getting into his car, preparing to enjoy lunch at Burger Bot, and receiving the emergency call before departing.
::*'''Cut:''' Fanzone arriving at Sumdac laboratories, his little dilemma with the broken megaphone, and his first directions to the police force.
::*Optimus now has "Ultra Jump" added to his "arsenal" as he distracts the nano-monster.
::*Bulkhead now says "''dosukoi''" on occasion, a word usually used by {{w|Sumo|sumo wrestlers}}.
::*'''Cut:''' The left-to-right pan of the ruined laboratory where the tour had taken place.
::*'''Cut:''' Much of the flying debris from the monster falling into the ocean.
::*During the [[trans-scan]]ning, Teletran-1 announces the type of vehicle being scanned and the Autobots as they are reformatted.
::*'''Cut:''' Fanzone noticing the four vehicles confronting the monster and attempting to call them back before noticing that they are unmanned and include his own car.
::*'''Cut:''' Immediately after the previous cut, the scene where Bulkhead and Bumblebee attempt to converse with the police drones while fighting the monster.
::*The joke on Sari's name—"I'm Bumblebee." "I'm Sari." "Oh, don't be. I like my name." "No, I mean my name is..."—is somewhat altered. Instead, Bumblebee "corrects" her that ''he's'' not named "Sari" (the pun involving "I'm Sari" sounding like "I'm sorry" not working in the Japanese language, obviously).
::*'''Cut:''' After Bumblebee takes Sari into the parking garage, Fanzone's and Dr. Sumdac's observation of Bumblebee and his unknown purposes, and the ordering the police drones to save Sari.
::*Bumblebee counts off while disabling the police drones, and he has an extra line even though his mouth doesn't move.
::*'''Cut:''' Ratchet's comment on Optimus being a "typical [[Autobot Academy|Academy Bot]]", along with a shot of the computer analysis of the monster.
::*'''Cut:''' Sari's gasp when Bumblebee is jumping at the monster.
::*When Sari reassures Ratchet that humans "don't usually blow up things" with emergency symbols, Ratchet comments about being treated kindly.
::*'''Cut:''' After Dr. Sumdac shakes hands with Optimus at the ceremony, Optimus's comment regarding not being a hero, his question to Ratchet about things being "like this in your day", and Ratchet's rather ominous response.
::*'''Cut:''' After the ceremony, the foreshadowing scene in which Starscream is seen monologuing in the crashed ''Nemesis'' on the Moon.
::*For the Otoboto family segment, Hiroyuki and Tatsuya are playing on the living room carpet with their toys (Hiroyuki and his Optimus Prime against Tatsuya and his Bumblebee). Filled with nostalgia, Hiroyuki begins describing the Autobots and the roles of each character to the audience, only to have Tatsuya beat him to the punch by ending all his sentences. Suddenly, they hear a crashing sound coming from the kitchen. Hiroyuki and Tatsuya rise to the occasion, shout "Transform!" and "change" into Optimus Prime and Megatron t-shirts (accompanied by their own dramatic "transformation" sequences and the theme from ''[[Fandom:powerrangers:Hikari Sentai Maskman|Maskman]]''). But before they can battle the forces of Evil stirring up trouble in the kitchen, they first have to sit back down on the living room floor and transform their toys into vehicle mode. (So, what if there was a burglar beating your wife, dude?) As Hiroyuki completes the transformation of his Optimus toy, we are assured that the "adventure" of the Otoboto family will be continued next episode.
::*In the "next episode" segment, Bulkhead asks Ratchet about the name "Transformers Animated", and Bulkhead then mistakenly tells viewers to watch "Transformers Anime". Ratchet later jokes about shortening the title to "Tra-Ani" because the original title is a bit long.

'''Japanese (Part 3)'''
:*''Title:'' "'''AllSpark no Himitsu'''" (オールスパークの秘密, "Secret of the AllSpark")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[April 17|17 April]] [[2010]]

::*This time, it's mother and daughter, Megumi and Yūka Otoboto, who tell viewers to watch the episode in a well-lit room.
::*Starscream does the intro in a rather...perky manner.
::*'''Cut:''' The ''whole'' sequence of the Autobots integrating themselves into Detroit: Bulkhead walking through rush hour traffic, Prowl's encounter with the birds' "present", Bumblebee ordering at Burger Bot, Ratchet getting ticketed for napping in a no-parking zone, Sari traumatizing Optimus on human reproduction, and the Autobots checking out their new "home".
::*During the sequence in which the Autobots are responding to the building fire, there are some additional lines and a tweak: The entire team sound off their names while heading on scene; Bumblebee jokes about calling in [[Rescue Fire]], to which Bulkhead responds by breaking the fourth wall, "That's a different show"; and the news reporter's coverage/praise of the Autobots doesn't mention "Detroit" by name and lasts until the scene changes to Starscream watching from the ''Nemesis''.
::*Sumdac says "480" on introducing the F.A.R.T.S.'s speed, which makes sense, as Japan uses the metric system and 300 miles equals to 482.803 kilometers.
::*'''Cut:''' Optimus commenting to Ratchet on being constantly called "heroes" and not feeling any different than repairing space bridges before, and Ratchet's response on the grim ends of the "heroes" he's known and his reluctance to share their fates.
::*During Starscream's attack on the jet fighters, one of the pilots shouts additional "Mayday!"s, to which Starscream retorts that "It's not 'Mayday', it's Starscream! Remember it!"
::*'''Cut:''' Panning shot from the top of Michigan Central Station down to the gathered Transformers.
::*When Starscream claims he's the "new boss" (literally) of the Decepticons, Bulkhead corrects him instead of saying that he thought Megatron was in charge.
::*Extra lines: both Ratchet and Prowl after the station crumbles; Starscream has one before Prowl tricks him with a hologram and another while dragging Optimus about after Prime uses his grappling hook.
::*'''Cut:''' Optimus declaring his name after Starscream demands the AllSpark. Cuts right to Starscream tossing Bumblebee into the transit pod.
::*Starscream's gloating while circling Sumdac Tower before Optimus baits him with the AllSpark.
::*When Sumdac asks how Sari got up the tower, Prowl's line is changed from "Same way you're getting down," to "By me, father." Fanzone's "This is why I hate machines!" catchphrase during the trip down is also tweaked.
::*Fanzone seems to be screaming for his grandfather as Prowl is dropping down to the blimp.
::*Additional line for Starscream when Ratchet tries to stop him with his magnetic manipulators.
::*Add "Ultra Spray" to Optimus's list of "Ultra" attacks when he sprays Starscream with fire retardant foam twice. Oy...
::*Bumblebee has an extra line while trying to attack Starscream when the latter realizes the jig's up.
::*Prowl calls out to Bumblebee when the train is knocked over the edge, and Starscream shouts "Dual Sonic Blaster" on sending all three into free fall.
::*Joining Bumblebee's ''"Ikimasu!"'' and Bulkhead's ''"Dosukoi!"'', Prowl's verbal tic is ''"De aru!"'' (Literally, "to be" in formal speech.)
::*Bulkhead's rhetorical question on catching the train on the first bounce is changed to a vow to do his best.
::*Instead of shock absorbers, Sari asks if Bumblebee has a parachute.
::*Ratchet has "Magnet Power" as his attack call when he catches the youngest pair, Sari's "some shock absorbers" line is altered, Prowl has "They're floating." as an extra line, and Bumblebee thanks Ratchet. Optimus's "think fast" line is delayed to just as he throws the AllSpark, and the medic's "Aw, crud." line is changed to objecting on being called "gramps" by Bumblebee.
::*While Sari calls the game "Keep Away" in English, here it's changed to Tag, or 鬼ごっこ (''oni-gokko'').
::*Instead of going on how fast one can stop, Bumblebee talks about hitting the goal.
::*Bulkhead's "I said, 'I ''got'' it.'" is altered after he clocks Starscream and gets the AllSpark.
::*Starscream yells that the show isn't over yet when he attacks the Autobots again just as Optimus is contemplating on getting the AllSpark to a safe place.
::*Instead of responding that it's Detroit when Optimus asks whether he's in the Well of AllSparks, Sari just welcomes him back. Another line change is that she tells Bulkhead that humans also cry when they're happy, instead of the Autobots having much to learn about humans.
::*'''Cut:''' The news reporter covering the Autobots' rescue and repair efforts, Bumblebee commenting how they started out on fixing bridges, Sumdac's lament of his robotic empire's origin, and the camera pan to Megatron's head.
::*In this Otoboto family segment, Hiroyuki whips out his cellphone and goes into full chatting mode. Tatsuya wonders what kind of work his father does and whether it's actually work, as he usually sees Hiroyuki playing with Transformers figures almost all the time. Tatsuya then flashbacks to last week, when, after transforming their figures to vehicle mode, father and son are racing Optimus and Bumblebee before encountering Yūka's feet. Yūka thinks her father is quite the man-child and hands over a card from someone whom Hiroyuki thought passed away three years earlier.
::*The Autobots discuss their favorite sports player during the "next episode" segment, Optimus citing {{w|Shuzo Matsuoka}} as his favorite, much to the others' disappointment. As Prime waxes poetic about Matsuoka's passion and energetic character, he doesn't realize that his teammates have already left.

'''Polish'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Transformacja i jazda'''" ("Transform and Roll Out")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[October 11|11 October]] [[2008]] (Parts 1 and 2), [[October 12|12 October]] [[2010]] (Part 3)

==Home video releases==
;DVD
[[File:Flag of UN.png|20px|International release]] 2008 — ''Transformers Animated'' — The Battle Begins ([[Pack-in material|Hasbro]]) — Part 1 only. 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2008 — ''Transformers Animated'' — Transform and Roll Out ([[Transformers Animated (cartoon)/home video|Paramount]]) — English and Spanish audio. 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2008 — ''Transformers Animated'' — Transform and Roll Out (Paramount) — English and German audio. 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2008 — ''Transformers Animated'' — Transform and Roll Out (Paramount) — English and German audio. 
[[File:Flag of Germany.png|20px|Germany]] 2008 — ''Transformers Animated'' — Transformieren und Abfahrt (Paramount) — English and German audio. 
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2010 — ''Transformers Animated'' — Vol. 1 (Paramount) — Japanese audio only. 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2013 — ''Transformers Animated'' — Season One ([[Madman Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2014 — ''Transformers Animated'' — The Complete Series ([[Shout! Factory]])

== Footnote ==
<references/>

[[Category:Animated episodes]]
[[Category:MSTF]]

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2021-08-02T22:13:03Z

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Talk:Transformers timeline

2021-04-03T03:11:18Z

Bag of Magic Food: /* Joke overkill */

Should we have 70's entries, for things like Diaclone being released in Japan, maybe even some specific dates, if we know them (what date various series premiered, TFTM's theatrical release, etc?) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 14:21, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

: I can't think of a good reason not to. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:21, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

: Shouldn't we categorize this somehow? Or make it readily available from the main page? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:49, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

::II would think this would fall udner the same category as an article on a Botcon, which lists dates, attendance number,s keynote speakers, etc. Nonfictional information. (I have no idea if we have such a category though.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:53, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

"The Transformers launches in the US, in toy, comic and cartoon formats, forever ruining Transformers." Genius. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 18:36, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

My hat is off to whoever added that bit about "The dawn of time". [[User:TVsGrady|TVsGrady]] 02:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I noted the new preview of ''Transformers Animated''. Fans don't seem to be taking it that badly now. Instead of "RUINED FOREVER", we just get "RUINED". [[User:67.160.13.149|67.160.13.149]] 22:49, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I love how the first recorded fan reaction for Transformers is plain compaining and bashing... XD -[[User:Hepathos|Hepathos]] 23:56, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

==Dawn of time==
As much as I agree with it, I dunno if those jokes have a place here. ...at least, in the body of the article itself. Now, fit it in a caption, and we have cart blanche. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:41, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
:Despite my objections, I have fixed some errors. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:44, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

:what day of the week was October 23? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:59, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
::I dunno. My Windows calendar doesn't go back that far. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:26, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Sunday --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 04:23, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
:Also, the footnote should probably note that while the date referred to is G1:1, the date in question was calculated by all the begatting. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:02, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
::I guess we could put the "note" with [[Wikipedia:Image:God2-Sistine Chapel.png]] and remove the bullet point, but I don't think it has the same panache. Thanks for correcting my errors, anyway; I forgot it was 6,000 years before ''now'', not Christ. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 04:28, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

==De-snarking==
In like the of the recent deletions and reversions, I think this page actually could stand to be totally de-snarked, and would be better off purely as straight forward information. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:26, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
:I completely disagree. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:32, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
::Well, to cite a specific problem I have with it, things like "Everyone loves "Transformers 2000," but they hate Robots in Disguise" don't do much to help accurately convey information to people unfamiliar with the history of the brand and its fandom. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 22:59, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Footnote it! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:18, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
::::It would take quite an extensive footnote to explain the history of the non-existant "Transformers 2000." and to clarify that not "everyone" loved it, and that not "everyone" hated RiD. And we'd need plenty more footnotes for the other jokes here, too. How about we just make this article more focused on being user-friendly for readers looking to familiarize themselves with the history of Transformers, and forget about the self-amusement? Or is that crazy talk? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 23:25, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Have you seen the size of this thing? We're well past "user-friendly" and well into "established you're a dork about this if you're reading it" already. Plus, you know, there's the capability to link to the RID page that discusses TF2000 right in the article. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:02, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

==Time Frame==
Or whatever you call the eras of BC and AD. Not to be a stickler about this, but does anyone think that we should change the BC and AD time frames to BCE and CE? Yeah, we've been using the former for quite a few centuries, but since almost everything else in this world (and on the internet) has changed to the whole ''Common Era'' thing, anyone think we should? I'd be more than happy to do it, but not [[AU]] because, well, you know.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 20:46, 13 June 2009 (EDT)
:It's been a week, I'm doing it.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 13:00, 19 June 2009 (EDT)
::Whatever. Unless BC/AD is used in the fiction. The only instance I can think of that happening is in [[A Decepticon Raider in King Arthur's Court (episode)|the one cartoon episode]]. Actually I would prefer to use "[[MYA|millions of years ago]]" when appropriate and avoid the whole thing. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 13:43, 19 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Yeah, I noticed that after you reverted it and realized that AD would be the time era they would use in those times (it's been a couple years since I seen the episode). The only reason I went and changed the era names (there's only a few that actually use these names) is because I doubt a race of alien robots would use terms like Before Christ and The Year of Our Lord (only in Latin).--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 13:50, 19 June 2009 (EDT)

==Ruined Forever==
Look, I get why this was trimmed back, but god damnit, Hassenfeld Brothers "ruining the textile remnant industry forever" is hilarious and you know it. (Alternate caption: "Fans of textile remnants remain critical, however." -hx at work

== Joke overkill ==

Look, I love the "Ruined FOREVER" gag just as much as anyone else, and it definitely needs to stay on this article, but I think this article's taken it a ''little'' bit too far now. It's like every other sentence ends with "ruined FOREVER" now - it's threatening to become as tired as the things Bonecrusher hates. Incidentally, he hates how this article's overusing this gag.--[[User:Spin-Out|Spin-Out]] ([[User talk:Spin-Out|talk]]) 13:20, 7 March 2016 (EST) (edited to elaborate more)
:I really think it should only apply to things that they really said ruined it, too. It's funny to use it sarcastically a few times, but to apply it to Transformers Prime kills the joke, in my opinion. That's what I call the low hanging fruit of jokes. When you use it so obviously and predictably. In addition to TF: Prime being a smash hit with most fans, although that doesn't mean you can't make jokes about the show. --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 05:31, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
::Despite my laughing at most of them, I agree, and there are still a lot even now. (17 of them, I think cutting out at least 5 would help.) This article has forever ruined ruined FOREVER.--[[User:Oshenwave|Oshenwave]] ([[User talk:Oshenwave|talk]]) 19:33, 29 June 2020 (EDT)
::I rather expected "ruining ''Transformers Animated''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s chances at a fourth season forever." Would it be worth changing it to that, or would it seriously mislead more people into misblaming ''Prime''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s existence for the cancellation of ''Animated''? --[[User:Bag of Magic Food|Bag of Magic Food]] ([[User talk:Bag of Magic Food|talk]]) 23:11, 2 April 2021 (EDT)

File:MarkOliver.jpg

2020-10-04T01:01:48Z

Bag of Magic Food: Need to find the correct face later

{{badimage|This Mark Oliver doesn't appear to have been in any Transformers productions yet. You probably want the one at https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3568062/}}
Photo of [[Mark Oliver]] taken from the Internet Movie Database at http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0646936/
[[Category:Actor images]]

Mark Oliver

2020-10-04T00:39:09Z

Bag of Magic Food: /* External links */ IMDb link went to the wrong Mark Oliver.

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'''Mark Oliver''' (born [[1966]]) is a Canadian voice actor. Among his better-known roles are King Cryos on ''War Planets'', Rau Le Creuset on ''Gundam SEED'', Lord Garmadon on ''Ninjago: Masters of Spinjitsu'', and the Super-Skrull on ''Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes''.

==Voice roles==
===''Cybertron''===
* [[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]]
* [[Undermine (Cybertron)|Undermine]]
* [[Robert Hansen]]
* Chief [[Howes]] ("[[Collapse]]")

==External links==
* [https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3568062/ Mark Oliver on the Internet Movie Database]

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[[Category:English voice actors]]

Transformers Energon: Battle for Megatron

2020-09-08T04:57:19Z

Bag of Magic Food: added franchise category

[[File:Transformers Energon Battle for Megatron title.jpg|thumb|right|300px]]
'''''Transformers Energon: Battle for Megatron''''' is a small Shockwave game released on [[Cartoon Network]]'s website in February of [[2004]], shortly after the release of ''[[Transformers: Energon (cartoon)|Transformers: Energon]]''.

==Plot==
[[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]] and the [[Terrorcon (Energon)|Terrorcon]]s must invade [[Unicron]] and fight through the Chaos-Bringer's internal defenses (and [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]]) to rescue their leader, [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]].

==Gameplay==

The Terrorcons (Scorponok, [[Battle Ravage]], [[Divebomb (Energon)|Divebomb]], [[Cruellock]], and [[Insecticon (Energon)|Insecticon]]) play against computer-controlled enemies in a series of levels, with increasing difficulty. Each level has a set number of enemies which must be defeated before proceeding. The levels are set up for grid-based combat, with players and characters able to move a set number of squares each turn. Each Terrorcon can move a set number of squares at a time, called Speed in-game. A Terrorcon's Speed varies with each mode. Flyers like Scorponok and Divebomb have the greatest Speed, and can move around certain barriers.

Each Terrorcon has three bars for Health, Armor, and Energy per level:
* Health is the amount of damage a Terrorcon can take from attacks. If the Health bar drops to '0', the Terrorcon is defeated for that round. Health is the same in any mode.
* Armor absorbs damage from attacks, decreasing the Armor bar instead of the Health bar. Each mode has a different Armor bar. The more Armor a character has, the more effective it is.
* Energy is used to activate weapons and abilities. Energy is the same in any mode.

[[Energon]] cubes can be picked up to improve Health and Energy, but not Armor. Most Terrorcons have one or more "boost" abilities that can regenerate the Health, Armor, or Energy of their comrades in range. The Armor boosting ability, called "Repair", only refills the Armor bar for the current mode the Terrorcon is in.

Each Terrorcon has a unique set of weapons, abilities, and range of movement that distinguishes them from each other. The variety of attacks and moves is increased due to the fact that the Terrorcons can transform as well (Scorponok has all three modes available, each with different moves). Attacks and abilities vary based on damage, range, and cost. For instance, Battle Ravage has two attacks in robot mode. His Laser Cannon can only hit a single square for 20 points damage, but costs no Energy to fire and has mid-level range. Alternatively, his Grenade cannot travel as far and drains his Energy bar each use, but can hit multiple squares in the blast radius for 25 points each.

Enemies typically include various kinds of attack drones or towers. Like Terrorcons, enemies have different speed, attack range, and damage. Enemies can also have both Health and Armor, reducing the effectiveness of Terrorcon attacks until the Armor is destroyed.

==Terrorcons==
*Scorponok
**Robot mode - Scorponok uses a cost-free ''Scorp Punch'' for close range, and a ''Morale Boost'' to improve allies' Health.
**Scorpion mode - The ''Scorpion Sting'' is the strongest attack in the game for single enemies.
**Jet mode - ''Barrage'' is a multiple laser strike, short range but Scorponok's only attack that can hit more than one enemy. ''Repair'' allows him to regenerate Armor.

*Battle Ravage
**Robot mode - ''Laser Cannon'' is a ranged, cost-free attack striking a single square. ''Grenade'' uses Energy, but can strike multiple squares for greater damage.
**Cougar mode - ''Cougar Bite'' is a short range, cost-free attack. ''Tail Mace'' takes Energy, but can sweep over more than one square for greater damage.

*Divebomb
**Robot mode - ''Blade Strike'' is a strong, single enemy attack.
**Eagle mode - ''Eagle Strike'' is a cost-free attack with minor damage. ''Battlecry'' allows Divebomb to refill Energy bars, making him a good partner for Insecticon.

*Cruellock
**Robot mode - ''Cruel Slash'' and ''Cruel Stab'' are both single square attacks, with the latter costing more and dealing more damage than the former.
**Raptor mode - ''Raptor Claw'' is a low damage, cost-free attack. ''Turbocharge'' provides a permanent Speed boost, letting an ally move further in a single round.

*Insecticon
**Robot mode - ''Energy Blaster'' is a ranged, cost-free attack. ''Sniper'' is Energy expensive, but has the best range out of any weapon and ignores enemy Armor for good damage.
**Beetle mode - ''Acid Splash'' reduces enemy Armor in the splash zone. Insecticon can also ''Repair'' allies' Armor.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]]
|c2=
*[[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]]
*[[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]]
*[[Battle Ravage]]
*[[Divebomb (Energon)|Divebomb]]
*[[Cruellock]]
*[[Insecticon (Energon)|Insecticon]]
|c4=
*[[Unicron]]
*Unicron's Automated Defenses
**Pods
**Tentacle Pods
**Tendrils
**Spiderbots
**Shocktowers
**The Cortex
|nonumbering=true
}}

==Codes==

The codes that were aired on Cartoon Network and obtained at [[Walmart]] (as stated in the game) are:

*Hot Shot
*Inferno
*Scorponok
*Cybertron

The codes could be used to unlock new areas in the game.

==External link==
*[http://media.lmpd.com/94.dcr Battle for Megatron]

{{DEFAULTSORT:Energon: Battle for Megatron}}
[[Category:Energon media]]
[[Category:Online games]]

Talk:Transformers Energon: Battle for Megatron

2020-08-24T01:39:17Z

Bag of Magic Food: /* LMPD */

== LMPD ==

Does the game actually work for you on LMPD's site, Hellthunder? I just downloaded the most current Shockwave player, and it still doesn't work for me, at work or home. The LOADING bar loads up to the end, and then disappears. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 19:44, 15 January 2014 (EST)
:For future reference, I got the game to run in Internet Explorer after reading that Shockwave isn't compatible with 64-bit browsers. I wouldn't say it ran ''perfectly'' as it failed to show multiple attack hits in a row and failed to spawn the final enemy, but otherwise I could play it normally. And after how frustrating level 20 was, the ending consisting of the title screen with a text message doesn't seem so rewarding, but it was cute to fight Optimus Prime in this format on level 19. --[[User:Bag of Magic Food|Bag of Magic Food]] ([[User talk:Bag of Magic Food|talk]]) 21:39, 23 August 2020 (EDT)

Scorpinok (episode)

2020-08-20T07:47:42Z

Bag of Magic Food: /* Continuity errors */ An animation revision returns

{{disambig2|the ''Energon'' episode|the characters whose names you can't spell correctly|Scorponok (disambiguation)}}

{{episode|
|series=Energon
|ep=3
|prev=Energon Stars
|next=Megatron's Sword
|title="Scorpinok"
|japanese=メガザラックの罠
|romaji=MegaZarak no Wana
|translation=MegaZarak's Trap
|image=Scorpinok Scorponok.jpg
|caption=''Nokus scorpiones'' in his natural desert habitat, about to go on the hunt.
|production code=
|production company=[[TV Tokyo]], [[Nihon Ad Systems|NAS]]
|writer=[[Shōji Tonoike]]
|director=[[Naoki Ōhira]]
|animation studio=[[Actas Inc.|Actas]], [[Studio A-CAT]] (3D)
|airdate=[[January 23|23 January]] [[2004]] (Japanese) [[February 14]], 2004 (English)
|continuity=[[Unicron Trilogy]]
}}

'''At Desert City, the Autobots fend off the first Terrorcon attack against Earth.'''

==Synopsis==
Somewhere in space, a giant ship thing of some sort emerges from some kind of glowing spatial space thing. In space. Within, as [[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]] prepares to depart, [[Alpha Quintesson|Alpha Q]] gives him a "little gift": a holographic image showing a fried husk.

[[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave]] wonders where he's being taken. Alpha Q tells him that they merely require his services... and he doesn't get a say in the matter.

On his [[Mars (planet)|Mars]] orbital station, [[Carlos Lopez|Carlos]] searches video records for evidence of where Tidal Wave and [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]] went. Suddenly, he observes a comet-like object, which abruptly vanishes.

[[File:Energon-Tidal-Wave-Meets-Scorponok.jpg|230px|thumb|left|Scorponok tells Tidal Wave they can resurrect Megatron. Unfortunately for Scorponok, he will shortly discover he was telling the truth.]]

In [[Ocean City]], [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] briefs his troops on the mining operations underway there and in [[Plains City]] and [[Desert City]]. He sends [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] and [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] to defend the other two stations. [[Inferno (Energon)|Inferno]] passes along Carlos's comet sighting. [[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]] continues to grumble about his assignment, and Prime gives him a short dressing-down. Elsewhere, [[Misha Miramond|Meeka]] refuses to leave her city, to [[Kicker Jones|Kicker]]'s frustration.

Aboard his comet-ship, Scorponok explains that they need Tidal Wave's help in reviving someone. Tidal Wave asks who, and Scorponok shows him the hologram—the corpse of [[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Megatron]]. Scorponok explains to Tidal Wave that his superior needs his help to revive Megatron, via large quantities of [[energon]]. Tidal Wave is ready and willing.

Hot Shot arrives at Desert City, reassures Meeka, and briefs some generic troops on the [[Terrorcon (Energon)|Terrorcon]] threat. Jetfire does likewise at [[Plains City]]. An enemy force is detected just then; the [[Autobot]]s wonder where they're headed, but Kicker is certain they're bound for Desert City. Optimus believes his intuition, and they prepare to move out. The [[Omnicon]]s power them up and provide them with extra [[energon weapon]]s.

[[File:Energon-Ironhides-1st-Energon-Weapon.jpg|230px|thumb|This'll last a whole battle, right?]]

Hot Shot's troops defend Desert City as Tidal Wave leads a fleet of Terrorcons. Hot Shot is miffed to see that their former ally is attacking. That anger turns to shock when he hears Tidal Wave say "must revive Megatron". Scorponok soon arrives as well. As Tidal Wave advances, the Autobots fall back to defend the mine entrance.

Meeka frets as the battle closes in on the research center. The [[Omnicon]]s hurry as well, but decide not to abandon their posts. Gotta respect bots who will keep working in the face of certain death.

The Terrorcons break through, head into the mine, and begin munching away at all the tasty, yummy, energony goodness. Prime and company drive down out of the sky and head for the mine entrance. Tidal Wave attacks them, but Prime holds him off while the others head for the mine.

Prime demands an explanation from Tidal Wave, getting a "Must revive Megatron" in response. Scorponok introduces himself for no reason, then immediately orders Tidal Wave to destroy Prime. Kicker and Ironhide find Hot Shot. Informed that Meeka is still in the [[Extraterrestrial Research and Development Center|R&D center]], Kicker heads that way with Ironhide following.

[[File:Energon-Ironhide-Faces-Sunset.jpg|230px|thumb|left]]

The Omnicons create a special [[energon star]] to revive Hot Shot. The group loads him up and heads out the back exit from the mines just ahead of the swarming Terrorcons, only to find themselves face-to-claw with the mighty Scorponok. Ironhide attempts to hold him off but is no match for the titan. The Omnicons give him the energon star meant for Hot Shot, but Scorponok leads the Terrorcons away before Ironhide can attack them. Tidal Wave tries to grab a raw energon star and gets a shock for his troubles.

Ironhide is awarded a [[Spark of Combination|Combination Spark]] for his bravery, making him a full-fledged member of Prime's team.

At Ocean City, Demolishor wonders if Tidal Wave is right—can Megatron be re-awakened?
{{--}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] (7)
*[[Inferno (Energon)|Inferno]] (8)
*[[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]] (9)
*[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] (10)
*[[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] (11)
*[[Skyblast (Energon)|Skyblast]] (17)
*[[Strongarm (Energon)|Strongarm]] (18)

|c2=
*[[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave]] (4)
*[[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]] (14)

|c3=
*[[Carlos Lopez]] (6)
*[[Kicker Jones]] (12)
*[[Misha Miramond|Meeka]] (13)
*Scientist (19)

|c4=
*[[Alpha Quintesson]] (1)
*[[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]] (2)
*[[Divebomb (Energon)|Divebomb drones]] (3)
*[[Battle Ravage|Battle Ravage drones]] (5)
*[[Perceptor (Armada)|Perceptor]] (15)
*[[Sureshock (Armada)|Sureshock]] (16)
}}

==Quotes==
"Tidal Wave! Tidal Wave! Tidal Wave! Tidal Wave!(...)"
:—'''Tidal Wave''' works really hard to not forget his name.

"Tidal Wave! Tidal Wave! Where are you taking me?!"
:—'''Tidal Wave''' demands answers in his own unique style.

"Holy Frijoles! I know Tidal Wave was big, but this is ridiculous!"
:—'''Carlos''' calls out to [[Frijoles|his deity]] in surprise.

"Hey, let me put it this way. 'Worried' is putting it mildly."
:—'''Hot Shot''', master orator

"Man! Why doesn't that girl ever ''listen'' to me?!" 
"Hm. That kid might want to eat more fiber."
:—'''Kicker''', observed by '''Demolishor'''

"Wouldn't a cannon have been simpler?"
:—'''Ironhide''' comments on the Omnicons' energon weapons.

"You can never have too many weapons."
:— '''Optimus Prime''', champion of the Autobot ideals of peace and justice.

"Man, that kid really gets under my armor!"
:—'''Ironhide''''s reaction is not exactly unique among the Autobots.

"This just doesn't make any sense. How is it possible Tidal Wave said 'reanimated'?"
:—'''Demolishor''' questions Tidal Wave's potential to have a vocabulary.

==Notes==
===Lost in translation===
[[File:Energonep3 shock shock shock.jpg|thumb|]]
Amazingly, almost nothing:

* Jetfire mentions the enemy's penchant for rushing blindly toward energon, not mentioned in the dub but pretty clear from the animation.
* "Meeka" and her fellow scientist are worried about getting attacked because of the energon star the Omnicons are working to create, a point lost in the dub.
* In ''Super Link'', when Tidal Wave grabs the Energon star, we see a full-body shot of him writhing as he is shocked, which concludes with the appearance of his "lightning" scars and him collapsing on his back. ''Energon'', apparently working with unfinished animation, substitutes all of this with a still close up of Tidal Wave's head taken from earlier in the episode (and hence featuring a space backdrop), with white flashes superimposed over the top of it.
* At the end of the battle, Ironhide originally comments on Tidal Wave's intelligence, prompting Kicker to make a similar crack about Ironhide. This is why Ironhide is visibly frustrated at the end of the scene.

===Pain count===
* "Uh?": 7
* Stock footage: 3
* "It's time to:" 2
* Gimme a break: 1
* We're a team: 3

===Animation and technical errors===
[[File:E3 titlecard.jpg|thumb|]]
* What is that chick's name? Mika? Meeka? Misha? Whatever.
* The Terrorcons' energon stars are animated differently in ''Super Link''. In ''Energon'', the entire Terrorcon glows purple as the star is generated; in ''Super Link'', just the star itself lights up.
* After Skyblast gives Optimus an energon star, Optimus thanks Strongarm.
* When Ironhide runs toward the mine entrance, the background is animated so slowly it appears to be staying still. A more visible scroll was used in the ''Super Link'' version.
* Nobody can spell "[[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]]", apparently.
* The whereabouts of the missing "o" in "Scorpinok" (and the source of the "i") would eventually be revealed in "[[Imprisoned Inferno|Improsoned Inferno]]".
* When the Omnicon pushes the ore cart, his feet don't touch the floor.

===Continuity errors===
* The disappearing comet is Scorponok and Alpha Q's ship, but its disappearing act is never explained.
* Apparently Ironhide suffers from the same selective blindness that Hot Shot did in the previous episode. When Ironhide's energon weapon vanishes, Kicker says he's out of energon. Ironhide replies "You're right!" as he looks straight at the energon star which is still on his forearm. (And like last episode, the star ''does'' fade away completely in ''Super Link''.)
* Kicker's shout of "We're surrounded!" doesn't really translate to the reality of "A single rather big thing is ahead and to our right."
* So, did Tidal Wave retreat, or what? He's last shown getting zapped by the energon star he attempts to grab.

===Trivia===
* The Street Action Mini-Cons make an appearance in their combined form as Perceptor, and Sureshock as Kicker's ATV, but they're never mentioned by name (besides Sureshock) or given anything to do beyond acting as Kicker's vehicle(s).
* There's a lot of sweet looking generic bots shown in Desert City and Plains City.
**Multiple generic [[Padlock (Energon)|Padlocks]] and "[[Padlock (Energon)#Orange jet Autobot|orange jet Autobots]]" are among Hot Shot's troops at Desert City.
* The identities of Skyblast and Strongarm are very confused after this episode. They're clearly shown in Ocean City, but identical 'bots with identical voices are also shown in Desert City at the same time. Apparently there's just a lot of the same dude running around.
* Seriously. The energon powerups are totally useless. Ironhide hits ''one Terrorcon'' with his energon weapon, and it promptly fades away.
* "Out of energon" doesn't have the same meaning in this series as any other.
* Nobody seems to give a crap about all the generics who get shot up in this episode, seemingly exploding and dying after a single hit. Only Hot Shot matters!
* As Kicker emerges from the space bridge, he's animated in CGI for animation conveniences (easy to hide since he's wearing his protective suit). This is a really rare occurrence in the series, as normally humans are always hand-drawn. On the other hand, instances where the Transformers get the privilege of hand-drawn animation are few and far between. *sob*
* Scorponok's tail stinger is white instead of purple in this episode. Perhaps the color change is because he decided to lace it with poison after this battle? Or the animators goofed, go figure.
*Ironhide thinks it's a good idea to grab onto Scorponok's ''giant glowing tail blade'' of all places, with predictable results.

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;VHS
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2005 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — Volume 1: The Battle for Energon ([[Paramount Pictures|Paramount]]) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2005 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — Volume 1: The Battle for Energon (Paramount)
;DVD
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2004 — ''Transformer: Super Link'' — Volume 001 ([[Interchannel]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2004 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — Volume 1: The Battle for Energon (Paramount) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2005 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — Volume 1: The Battle for Energon (Paramount) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2005 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — Volume 1: The Battle for Energon (Paramount) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2008 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — The Ultimate Collection (Paramount) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2014 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — The Complete Series ([[Shout! Factory]])

[[Category:Energon episodes]]

Energon Stars

2020-08-19T04:40:35Z

Bag of Magic Food: just mentioning the DVD changes that affect errors

{{disambig2|the episode|the titular objects|Energon star}}

{{episode|
|series=Energon
|ep=2
|prev=Cybertron City (episode)
|next=Scorpinok (episode)
|title="Energon Stars"
|japanese=輝け! エネルゴンスター
|romaji=Kagakaye! Energon Star
|translation=Shine! Energon Stars
|image=E2_titlecard.jpg
|caption= The red ones make Autobots go faster. Ironically, so do the stars. Take one punch and kiss it goodbye!
|production code=
|production company=[[TV Tokyo]], [[Nihon Ad Systems|NAS]]
|writer=[[Akira Okeya]]
|director=[[Jun Kawagoe]]
|animation studio=[[Actas Inc.|Actas]], [[Studio A-CAT]] (3D)
|airdate=[[January 16|16 January]] [[2004]] (Japanese) [[February 7]], 2004 (English)
|continuity=[[Unicron Trilogy]]
}}

'''The Autobots prepare for the Terrorcons' second strike, but it's not where they expected.'''

==Synopsis==
[[Alexis Thi Dang|Alexis]], now an official of some importance, is driven into [[Ocean City]] on [[Earth]]. She meets [[Sally Jones|Sally]], but can't stay and chat—she has a meeting, much to Sally's disappointment.

Meanwhile, [[Kicker Jones|Kicker]] is marvelling at his new armor in his room, when an alarm sounds. He panics, and trips over a conveniently placed bench—then realizes, much to his frustration, that the alarm is sounding for the meeting.

[[File:Energon-Optimus-Holds-Kicker.jpg|230px|thumb|left|A rather interesting specimen, wouldn't you say?]] At the meeting, Prime, [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]], [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]] and others watch a satellite transmission showing a motionless [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave]], repeating his name and being carried away by a swarm of [[Terrorcon (Energon)|Terrorcon]] jaguars. A closeup reveals that the creatures eat [[energon]]. Alexis explains that the Terrorcons are high-tech androids, called... Terrorcons. [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Optimus]] deduces that the Terrorcons' next target will be the energon mines on [[Earth]], and Alexis agrees. However, to fight the Terrorcons would go against the [[Earth Federation Treaty]], which forbids [[Transformer]]s to take up arms against other Transformers. Kicker doesn't take well to this, of course, interrupting the meeting.

Alexis concludes that the only option is to evacuate Ocean City. Kicker starts shouting and arguing, demanding that nobody take him away from Earth. Optimus allows him to stay on Earth with the [[Autobot]]s, but tells him he'd better learn to follow orders. A [[Strongarm (Energon)|Strongarm]] wonders if the [[Omnicon]]s will be evacuated too, but before he can get an answer, a [[Skyblast (Energon)|Skyblast]] verbally drags him away to get back to work.

As the evacuation of the city proceeds, Kicker watches Sally leave and comments on how strange it will be without them. [[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]] informs him that he is now Kicker's guardian. Neither Kicker nor Ironhide are particularly happy about the situation.

Optimus Prime sends a [[radio]] transmission informing the other troops that they are moving to Defcon level 4 and that they know very little about their enemy. All the humans have been evacuated except for [[Misha Miramond|Mika]] and Kicker as the city submerges.

Ironhide grumbles about having to guard a boring [[human]] and vows that one day he'll get his [[Spark of Combination]]... then reality sets in and Ironhide deflates.

[[File:Energon-Tidal-Wave-Carried-Away.jpg|230px|thumb|He was once [[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Megatron's]] huge secret weapon, now being carried off by the guys who explode in one hit. Oh, how the mighty have fallen.]]

On the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]], [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]] can hardly wait for the battle to start, already firing off his guns. His shots are answered as a horde of Terrorcons attacks. Prime is taken by surprise, having anticipated an attack on Earth. [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] prepares to take the [[space bridge]] to the Moon as an initial reinforcement, and Kicker insists on coming along, to Ironhide's relief.

Ocean City raises, activating the space bridge. Hot Shot assures Ironhide that Prime will hear about it if he does well. The Omnicons power up Prime's team with [[energon star]]s, and the team then drives off into the sky.

On the Moon, Jetfire and Kicker have their hands full. Prime's team arrives and counterattacks, while Ironhide heads for the energon mines. After passing several fallen Transformers near the entrance, Ironhide heads down the elevator shaft, interrupting the Terrorcons at work there. Despite his [[energon star]] running out, he holds his own against them for a while, till Kicker and the others arrive to back him up. The surviving Terrorcons retreat.

[[File:Energon-Kicker-Finds-Mine.jpg|230px|thumb|left|Hello? Anyone there?]]

The Autobots return to Earth with the damaged Ironhide, who blames himself for the loss. Kicker starts to storm off, but Prime forcefully reminds him that Ironhide's his partner, so the human tries to cheer him up—by kicking him and arguing with him, of course. It works.

Demolishor asks what happened on the Moon and if they saw Cyclonus there. The Autobots report that there was no trace of him, to Demolishor's concern. Prime starts to remember something, but stops short of sharing it with the others.

[[Alpha Quintesson|Alpha Q]] muses that his army will soon be more powerful even than the [[Decepticon]]s, as [[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]] arises...
{{--}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] (8)
* [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] (9)
* [[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]] (11)
* [[Strongarm (Energon)|Strongarm]] (12)
* [[Skyblast (Energon)|Skyblast]] (13)
* [[Inferno (Energon)|Inferno]] (16)
* [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] (17)
* [[Generic|Generic Autobots]] (18 - 22)

|c2=
* [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]] (2)
* [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave]] (5)
* [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]] (23)

|c3=
* [[Alexis Thi Dang|Alexis]] (1)
* [[Sally Jones]] (3)
* [[Kicker Jones]] (4)
* [[Miranda Jones]] (10)
* [[Misha Miramond]] (14)

|c4=
* [[Battle Ravage]] (6)
* [[Divebomb (Energon)|Divebomb]] (7)
* [[Primus]] (15)
* [[Alpha Quintesson|Alpha Q]] (24)
* [[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]] (25)

}}

==Quotes==
"I ''ordered'' you to team up with Ironhide! Or did you forget that." 
"Aw, gimme a break." 
"If you want to ignore my orders, then I have no choice but to send you back to your ''mother''." 
"You ''wouldn't!''" 
"''Try me.''"
:—'''Optimus''' knows how to push '''Kicker'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s buttons

==Notes==
===Lost in translation===
* In ''Super Link'', Alexis doesn't just tell Sally about a meeting; she has her help assemble everyone. Sally is a bit unsure about telling her brother. The dub mangles their conversation in all sorts of strange ways, including having ''Sally'' say that she thought she'd never get past Demolishor (even though she ''lives in the city''), and having her ask Alexis if she's seen Kicker around—even though Alexis ''just got there''. The Paramount DVD skips this scene altogether!
* Alexis identifies the attackers as ''Transformers'', not ''Terrorcons'' as in the dub.
* In ''Energon'', Alexis says that the Earth government has declared that Transformers can't take up arms against other Transformers. What she's supposed to be explaining is that the Earth government has declared the battle to be entirely between Transformers, and hence is unwilling to interfere. ''That'' is why Kicker abruptly blows his stack at Alexis and everyone else. The Paramount DVD version awkwardly deletes all lines of dialog referring to the treaty, creating ''more'' confusion as to what Kicker is even supposed to be objecting to.
* The dub then makes it sound like Alexis is calling for the evacuation of the entire planet, rather than just Ocean City.
* Subtitles in the ''Super Link'' version identify [[Plains City]], [[Jungle City]], and [[Desert City]] during Prime's evacuation announcement. They remain unnamed in the dub.
* ''Super Link'' Ironhide is more angry that Kicker gets to leave ahead of him than relieved at being rid of him.
* Optimus originally tells the overconfident Ironhide not to rely too heavily on the Energon Star, a point lost in the dub.

===Pain count===
* "Uh?": 29
* Stock footage: 3
* Listen up: 1
* It's time to: 2
* (X) is counting on you/me/us: 1
* "Gimme a break": 2
* "You can't be serious": 1
* Like: 2
* Aw man: 4

===Animation and technical errors===
*When Kicker kicks Ironhide's head towards the end of the episode, his head moves ''before'' he kicks it.
===Continuity errors===
* The [[Mars City|Mars base]] is misidentified as "Cyber City"; later Ocean City is misidentified as "Cybertron City" ''and'' "Cyber City".
* Is she "Misha" or "Mika"?
* Are they energon ''chips'' per Skyblast, energon ''cells'' per Optimus Prime, or energon ''stars'' per the title? (The re-dub on the Paramount DVD revises both "chips" and "cells" to "stars"—never mind that they ''are'' called energon ''chips'' in the English-language toyline...)
* Ironhide doesn't even fire a shot before his energon star fades out.
* Prime is initially fine with Kicker running off with Jetfire, yet later berates him for not teaming up with Ironhide.
* Hot Shot complains about running out of energon, even though he still clearly has an energon star. (The Japanese version has the animation revised so that Hot Shot's star does fade away, while the English re-dub replaces his complaint with an assurance that he'll take point.)
*Optimus tells Jetfire to use the space bridge so as not to waste time raising the city. Then, ''as soon as he leaves'', raises the city anyway ''just to use the space bridge''.
*When Strongarm wonders if the Omnicons will be evacuated, Skyblast says "we can't worry about ''them''", as if they're ''not'' Omnicons.

===Trivia===
*As Optimus transforms during his stock transformation upon arriving at the moon, Generation 1 transformation sounds can be heard.
*When Optimus manhandles Kicker, his hand appears to be hand-drawn, as the CGI department seems to lack the means to realistically pose and articulate Optimus's hand grabbing a much smaller two-dimensional character in three dimensions.
*So one [[Kicker Jones|teenage human male]] kicking [[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]]'s shoulder cannon makes it tilt AND shoot? That's a bit awkward when you're in battle.

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;VHS
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2004 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — Volume 1: The Battle for Energon ([[Paramount Pictures|Paramount]]) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2005 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — Volume 1: The Battle for Energon (Paramount) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2005 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — Volume 1: The Battle for Energon (Paramount)
;DVD
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2004 — ''Transformer: Super Link'' — Volume 001 ([[Interchannel]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2004 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — Volume 1: The Battle for Energon (Paramount) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2005 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — Volume 1: The Battle for Energon (Paramount) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2005 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — Volume 1: The Battle for Energon (Paramount) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2008 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — The Ultimate Collection (Paramount) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2014 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — The Complete Series ([[Shout! Factory]])

[[Category:Energon episodes]]

Joyride (story)

2020-08-13T23:04:50Z

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{{disambig3|Joyride}}
{{Comicstory|
|seriesissue=[[Transformers Legends (book)|Transformers Legends]]
|prev=Two for the Price of One
|next=Lonesome Diesel
|title="Joyride"
|image=
|caption=
|publisher=[[ibooks]]
|date=[[November 30]], [[2004]]
|writer=[[Jenifer A. Ruth]]
|continuity=Generation 1 (Unique)
|pagecount=11
}}
'''Bumblebee gets carjacked. ''Again.'' Dude needs to install Lojack or something.'''

==Synopsis==
[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] arrives at school with [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]] and waits in the car park while Spike goes in. While the small [[Autobot]] is thinking to himself, [[Jack (thief)|Jack]] and [[Rick (thief)|Rick]], two car thieves, approach him. Though Rick is reluctant to steal such a "girly car", Jack talks him into it, and Rick attempts to hotwire 'Bee, who humors the pair by starting up.

Once they drive out of town, Bumblebee flicks on his car stereo, and starts driving erratically, passing cars at dangerous speeds and crossing the center line. He then goes offroad, driving across a desert floor and jumping sand dunes, all the while Rick and Jack are getting greener and more scared. Once the pair have had enough, he speeds back to the high school and asks what they think of his vehicle mode now.

After the two would-be thieves flee, Spike emerges from the school. Though Bumblebee claims nothing had been happening, Spike wonders why the seat is wet and Bumblebee's interior smells like a locker room.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (1)
|c3=
* [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] (2)
* [[Jack (thief)|Jack]] (3)
* [[Rick (thief)|Rick]] (4)
}}

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
* This story occurs in a variant of Generation 1 in which Spike attends high school.
===Trivia===
* Bumblebee was also stolen in "[[Plight of the Bumblebee!]]".

[[Category: Generation 1 media]]
[[Category: Text stories]]

Paddles (story)

2020-08-13T07:57:54Z

Bag of Magic Food: adding continuity category

{{disambig2|the eponymous story in which Paddles first appeared|the character himself|Paddles (G1)}}
{{Comicstory|
|seriesissue=[[Transformers Legends (book)|Transformers Legends]]
|prev=Collect and Save
|next=Redemption Center
|title="Paddles"
|image=
|caption=
|publisher=[[ibooks]]
|date=[[November 30]], 2004
|writer=[[Jean Rabe]]
|continuity=Generation 1 (Unique)
|pagecount=21
}}
'''The story of Paddles, the stupidest, gentlest Dinobot nobody loved, even the other Dinobots.'''

==Synopsis==
Lying under the sand, [[Paddles (G1)|Paddles]] hears voices and the sounds of digging, and wonders if he's being rescued finally. He is, in point of fact, being dug out by [[Randall]] and [[Ed (student)|Ed]], two archaeology students on a field trip, who are a bit annoyed they've been sent to a desert island to dig instead of China. Before long, they've uncovered part of the object they detected on their scope. Paddles continues to hope for rescue, and remembers the battle decades before that left him in this position:

:''Paddles and [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] track three [[Decepticon]]s to the southern end of [[Dinobot Island (G1)|Dinobot Island]], chasing off two of them, and cornering the last. Before Snarl is able to dispatch their foe, Paddles falls to a pulse-cannon burst and is later left for dead by the other Dinobots.''

Ed and Randall excitedly complete their uncovering of an oddly-colored elasmosaurus, but quickly realise it's metallic in nature and suspect it's a joke on the part of their professor, [[Boxer|Doctor Boxer]], though at least it's a bit more interesting than the jukebox some of the other students have uncovered.

As the students have dinner, Paddles uses power from their discarded scope to start repairing himself. The [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] anticipates being able to rejoin his [[Autobot]] friends, and struggles out of the hole in the sand to wander off in search of them, but is surprised to find that the island is a barren desert, with no sign of the trees or volcanoes which previously characterized it.

His confusion is interrupted by the sounds of explosions—the Decepticon [[Raze]] has reactivated and is attacking the archaeology students. Paddles distracts the Decepticon and draws him away from the camp. The pair battle with the last of their energy, before falling into a crevasse opened by Raze's [[earthquake (event)|earthquake]] powers. Decades later, Paddles hears the sound of someone digging him out.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Paddles (G1)|Paddles]] (1)
* [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] (4)
* [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] (5)
|c2=
* [[Raze]] (6)
|c3=
* [[Ed (student)|Ed]] (2)
* [[Randall]] (3)
* Dr. [[Boxer]]
* [[Shelly Marie Willicott]]
* "[[Dim Tim]]"
* [[Harcourt]]
* [[Rich]]
}}

==Notes==
===Errors===
* "Pulse-[[cannon (disambiguation)|cannon]]" is consistently misspelled "pulse-[[canon]]".
* Ed's friend changes names from "Shelly Marie" on page 55 to "Sheila Marie" on page 60.

===Continuity notes===
* ''Paddles'' takes place in its own continuity, roughly analogous to the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|1984 cartoon]] with some significant differences.
* As in the cartoon, the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] were created in [[War of the Dinobots|two separate "generations",]] the first consisting of [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] and [[Slag (G1)|Slag]] (no Sludge), and the second [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] and [[Paddles (G1)|Paddles]] (no Swoop).
* The story takes place after events equivalent to the episodes "[[Dinobot Island, Part 1|Dinobot Island 1]] [[Dinobot Island, Part 2|and 2]]", wherein the island was sealed off by [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]]'s force field.
* Paddles appears relatively newly created at the time of his deactivation; he had formed few associations among his fellow Autobots other than the affable [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], and though Grimlock and Slag were good friends with [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]], Paddles had never seen a human close up.
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] is frequently mentioned by Paddles, who swears by his leader's name frequently.
* [[Raze]] is a Decepticon jukebox unique to this world. He fulfills a role similar to [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]].
* The story makes vague allusions that Paddles and Raze may have been transported to another world (not inconceivable, given Dinobot Island's temporal anomalies), which would seem to jibe with Randall and Ed's ignorance about the existence of Transformers.

===Real-world references===
* The [[Great Wall of China]]
* Toohey's beer

===Trivia===
* The character of Paddles has many broad similarities to the Dinobot [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] (who does not exist in this continuity), but this is probably not intentional.
* Paddles was disabled when one of Raze's pulse-cannon bursts struck him at exactly the same spot as a "lucky burst of [[Fire-breath|fiery breath]]," the signature weapon of the ''Dinobots''.
* It is entirely possible that Grimlock, who disliked Paddles, arranged his accident. It [[Makin' Tracks!|wouldn't be the first time]].

[[Category:Generation 1 media]]
[[Category:Text stories]]

Collect and Save

2020-08-13T07:31:40Z

Bag of Magic Food: adding continuity category

{{Comicstory|
|seriesissue=[[Transformers Legends (book)|Transformers Legends]]
|prev=A Meeting of Minds
|next=Paddles (story)
|title="Collect and Save"
|image=
|caption=
|publisher=[[ibooks]]
|date=[[November 30]], 2004
|writer=[[Tim Waggoner]]
|continuity=[[The Transformers (cartoon)|The Transformers]] [[Generation 1 cartoon continuity|cartoon continuity]]
|pagecount=24
}}
'''Welcome to the Planet of Junk. You check in, but you don't check out.'''

==Synopsis==
Travelling through space in their ship, the ''[[Reclamation]]'', the [[Recyclon]]s have been fruitlessly searching for things to salvage for their masters, the [[Harvest Lords of Sigrath]]. Science officer [[Assessor]] detects a large quantity of potentially usable metal, so, after some debate, Captain [[Salvage (G1)|Salvage]] orders a closer look. A short time later, they reach their destination, which [[Detonator (G1)|Detonator]] recognizes as the [[Junkion (planet)|planet of Junk]], something the Recyclons previously believed to be a myth.

They land, and, after taking some scans, decide it's suitable to be converted into [[energon]]. To this end, six of the Recyclons merge into the [[Prime Processing Unit]]. Salvage is about to start it operating, when he's interrupted by [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], but he is unable to understand half of what Wreck-Gar is saying, and so simply shoots the Junkion. Wreck-Gar quickly fixes himself using the junk to hand, and more Junkions pop out of the ground to join the battle. The Recyclons quickly find they're no match for the Junkions, and only Salvage, Assessor and Extractor make it back to the ''Reclamation'' still functional, though they are able to retrieve the other three, who end up in the repair bay.

Despite their loss, Salvage is determined to convert the planet into energon. Assessor hits on the idea of processing it from space using the ship's communications array to boost the processor beam, though it will result in only a quarter of the potential energon being recovered. There's still the possibility that the Junkions may have spaceships to attack them with, so Salvage decides to distract them by engaging in peace talks. He returns to Junk and apologizes to Wreck-Gar...only to paralyze the Junkion with a surge of energy, informing him that the planet will soon be converted to energon.

As Salvage turned to leave, Wreck-Gar reveals that the Junkions aren't beaten yet; they possess a [[tractor beam]], which they promptly use to draw the ''Reclamation'' down to the planet's surface, where the Prime Processing Unit overloads, destroying the ship. Salvage is last seen with a number of Junkions closing in on him.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|h1=[[Recyclon]]s|c1=
* [[Assessor]] (1)
* [[Salvage (G1)|Salvage]] (2)
* [[Convertor]] (3)
* [[Torch (Recyclon)|Torch]] (4)
* [[Detonator (G1)|Detonator]] (5)
* [[Extractor]] (6)
* [[Activator]] (7)
|h2=[[Junkion (species)|Junkion]]s|c2=
* [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] (8)
* Other Junkions (9)
}}

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
* This story takes place prior to ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''.

===Errors===
* On page 41: "Salvage start running towards the ''Reclamation'', not pausing to look back to see if his crew followed." "Start" should be in the past tense.
* On page 42, there is an extra quotation mark before Salvage's first line of dialogue.

[[Category:Generation 1 media]]
[[Category:Text stories]]

The End (Armada)

2020-08-12T04:03:24Z

Bag of Magic Food: caught a disambiguation link and an unused character number

{{comicstory|seriesissue=[[Transformers: Armada (Dreamwave)|''Transformers: Armada'']] #18
|prev=Worlds Collide, Part 4 of 4
|next=This Evil Reborn
|title="The End"
|image=DW Armada 18.jpg
|caption=And in the end/The logo you take/Is equal to the logo you break.
|publisher=[[Dreamwave Productions]]
|date=[[December 10]], [[2003]]
|coverdate=December 2003
|writer=[[Simon Furman]]
|penciled by=[[Guido Guidi]]
|inks by=[[Elaine To]]
|colors by=[[David Cheung]]
|additional colors by=[[Jong-im Winterbell Lee|Jong-Im Lee]], [[Elliot Kravchik]], [[Sigmund Torre]]
|letters by=[[Ben Lee]]
|editorinchief=[[Roger Lee]]
|continuity=[[Dreamwave Armada continuity]]
}}

'''The Autobots and Decepticons forge an uneasy alliance in order to defeat Unicron.'''

==Synopsis==
On the [[Black Mesa]] of [[Arizona]], [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] addresses the entire population of [[Mini-Con]]s, who have gathered by a [[space bridge]] portal to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. With [[Over-Run (Armada)|Over-Run]]'s help, he explains that, in order to defeat [[Unicron]], every single one of them must join together and contribute their power to a common cause. The Mini-Cons briefly suspect a trap when the [[Decepticon]]s arrive, but Optimus Prime assures them that he has invited them, as they will all be needed. [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] releases [[Leader-1 (Armada)|Leader-1]], [[Swindle (Armada)|Swindle]], [[Blackout (Armada)|Blackout]], and [[Crumplezone (Armada)|Crumplezone]], but of the [[Destruction Mini-Con Team]] he remarks simply that, "we're all better off without them". [[Rad White|Rad]] asks where the other [[Autobot]]s are, and he replies that they went on ahead to Cybertron, because they did not completely agree with the alliance with the Decepticons.

As they arrive on Cybertron, the space bridge portals that have been opening around the planet have stabilized and formed into a single rift, through which Unicron soon comes forth. Upon seeing him and hearing him speak of their doom, the [[Transformer]]s are thrown into panic and disarray, but Optimus Prime rallies them all together to launch a massive attack on the Chaos Bringer. [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] asks Megatron if he seriously expects him to fight Unicron. Megatron responds that it would be impossible, so once the others have exhausted themselves, he intends to strike a deal with Unicron. Megatron then flies up to him. The other Autobots see this via [[Laserbeak (Armada)|Laserbeak]] and go out to meet him.

[[Airazor (Armada)|Airazor]], [[Cheetor (Armada)|Cheetor]], [[Rhinox (Armada)|Rhinox]], and [[Terrorsaur (Armada)|Terrorsaur]] charge out to attack, but are sucked up by Unicron. He has seen that things are not the way they should be and intends to get his answers from the four. Meanwhile, the Mini-Cons have all linked hands in a circle around the former capital building of [[Cyber City]]. Over-Run tells them that it is time to end the battle and channels the power of all of them into the [[Mini-Con Matrix]], firing an immense blast of energy that seriously damages Unicron.

As Optimus Prime pulls all the forces back, Megatron lands. Though he hadn't expected their plan to work, he still thinks he can take whatever he wishes from Unicron. Just then, [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]], [[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]], and [[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] show up. "This is for [[Smokescreen (Armada)|Smokescreen]]", says Hot Shot, and the three unload their weapons into Megatron, causing him to fall into the depths of Unicron. The Autobots pile into a shuttle and fly off as Unicron seemingly explodes. As the Transformers all get together and celebrate, Optimus Prime hopes that they can rebuild Cybertron, but remarks that they must be ever-vigilant should evil return.

It never ends...
{{--}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] (1)
* [[Rhinox (Armada)|Rhinox]] (39)
* [[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] (53)
* [[Smokescreen (Armada)|Smokescreen]] (54)
* [[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] (55)
* [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] (56)
* [[Blurr (Armada)|Blurr]] (57)
* [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] (58)
* [[Side Swipe (Armada)|Sideswipe]] (59)
*[[Overload (Armada)|Overload]] (60)
* [[Laserbeak (Armada)|Laserbeak]] (65)
* [[Airazor (Armada)|Airazor]] (66)
* [[Cheetor (Armada)|Cheetor]] (68)

|c2=
* [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] (43)
* [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]] (44)
* [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]] (45)
* [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] (46)
* [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] (47)
*[[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave]] (62)
*[[Wheeljack (Armada)|Wheeljack]] (63)
*[[Sideways (Armada)|Sideways]] (64)
* [[Terrorsaur (Armada)|Terrorsaur]] (67)
*[[Skywarp (Armada)|Skywarp]] (70)
|c3=
* [[Rad White|Rad]] (40)
* [[Alexis Thi Dang|Alexis]] (41)
* [[Carlos Lopez|Carlos]] (42)

|h4=[[Mini-Con]]s
|c4=
{{{!}}border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="background:transparent"
{{!}}-
{{!}}style="background:transparent; border-right: 0px" valign="top"{{!}}
*[[Nightbeat (Armada)|Nightbeat]] (2)
*[[Inferno (Armada)|Inferno]] (3)
*[[Rollbar (Armada)|Rollbar]] (4)
*[[Sparkplug (Armada)|Sparkplug]] (5)
*[[Longarm (Armada)|Longarm]] (6)
*[[Over-Run (Armada)|Over-Run]] (7)
*[[Liftor]] (8)
*[[Jolt (Armada)|Jolt]] (9)
*[[Refute (Armada)|Refute]] (10)
*[[High Wire (Armada)|High Wire]] (11)
*[[Mirage (Armada)|Mirage]] (12)
*[[Downshift (Armada)|Downshift]] (13)
*[[Dirt Boss (Armada)|Dirt Boss]] (14)
*[[Ransack (Armada)|Ransack]] (15)
*[[Dune Runner (Armada)|Dune Runner]] (16)
*[[Backtrack (Armada)|Backtrack]] (17)
*[[Oval]] (18)
*[[Astroscope]] (19)
*[[Payload (Armada)|Payload]] (20)
*[[Sky Blast (Armada)|Sky Blast]] (21)
*[[Sureshock (Armada)|Sureshock]] (22)
*[[Makeshift (Armada)|Makeshift]] (23)
{{!}}style="background:transparent; border-right: 0px" valign="top"{{!}}
*[[Incinerator (Armada)|Incinerator]] (24)
*[[Rook (Armada)|Rook]] (25)
*[[Crosswise (Armada)|Crosswise]] (26)
*[[Iceberg]] (27)
*[[Spiral]] (28)
*[[Wind Sheer (Armada)|Wind Sheer]] (29)
*[[Bonecrusher (Armada)|Bonecrusher]] (30)
*[[Wreckage (Armada)|Wreckage]] (31)
*[[Grindor (Armada)|Grindor]] (32)
*[[Firebot (Armada)|Firebot]] (33)
*[[Prowl (Armada)|Prowl]] (34)
*[[Jetstorm (Armada)|Jetstorm]] (35)
*[[Runway (Armada)|Runway]] (36)
*[[Sonar (Armada)|Sonar]] (37)
*[[Comettor (Armada)|Comettor]] (38)
*[[Knock Out (Armada)|Knock Out]] (48)
*[[Leader-1 (Armada)|Leader-1]] (49)
*[[Crumplezone (Armada)|Crumplezone]] (50)
*[[Blackout (Armada)|Blackout]] (51)
*[[Swindle (Armada)|Swindle]] (52)
*[[Ramjet (Armada)|Ramjet]] (69)
{{!}}}
|c5=
* [[Unicron]] (61)
}}

==Quotes==
"'''Howdy!''' Some spread, eh '''Starscream'''?" 
"Mm. Mini-Con pick'n'mix, '''Thrust'''-- my favorite!" 
"'''Yes'''! Credit where credit's due, Prime-- you '''have''' gathered the clan. And to think, all I ever needed...was to fashion an impending '''apocalypse'''."
:—'''Thrust''', '''Starscream''', and '''Megatron''' just gotta catch 'em all

"You don't '''seriously''' expect me to fight '''that''' thing, do you?" 
"Starscream, you are an idiot. That thing is '''power''', pure and simple. Once the others have '''exhausted''' themselves trying to stop this '''Unicron'''...I intend to strike a '''deal!'''" 
"Yeah, sure...nice knowing you, Megatron."
:—'''Starscream''' correctly predicts the outcome of '''Megatron''''s plan

"I feel you...'''all''' of you! The Mini-Con might of two worlds, '''united'''...'''unleashed!'''"
:—'''Over-Run''' unleashes the Mini-Con Matrix on '''Unicron'''

==Notes==

===Continuity notes===
* Once again, Rook immediately assumes the worst of the Autobots, claiming that the big Mini-Con gathering is a trap upon seeing the Decepticons arrive. He spoke out against the Autobots despite their best intentions back in [[Fire & Ice|''Armada'' #12]] as well, hinting at his probable secret (and never revealed in-comic) allegiance to Unicron.
* Megatron intimates that he's done away with the [[Destruction Mini-Con Team|Destruction Team]], following their betrayal as also seen in ''Armada'' #12.
* To reach Unicron, Megatron fits his legs with the same rocket-boosters he utilized back in [[Dreamwave Armada issue 9|''Armada'' #9]].

===Transformers references===
* Wreckage calls out "[[Battle Protocol]]" when ordering the Land Military Team to attack the incoming Decepticons.
* Among the ships launching to face Unicron in space is the ''[[Axalon (Armada)|Axalon]]''.

===Real-world references===
* The cover to this issue is an homage to the cover of [http://en.marveldatabase.com/X-Men_Vol_1_135 ''Uncanny X-Men'' #135], by John Byrne (itself an homage of [http://en.marveldatabase.com/X-Men_Vol_1_56 ''X-Men'' #56]'s cover by Neal Adams).
* The opening splash page, portraying Optimus Prime pointing at the reader and declaring "Mini-Cons-- Cybertron needs you!", is a loose homage to the famous "Uncle Sam" poster which features said figure of American folklore in a similar pose declaring "I want YOU for U.S. Army."

===Other trivia===
* Transformers speak in rectangular speech bubbles after previously spending the rest of the Armada comic speaking in round speech bubbles.
* The [[Wavelengths]] page advertises January's "Transformers Month" and contains an article from the desk of [[Alan Wang]].
* On the DW Letters page, mail is answered by [[Unicron]].

===Advertisements===
* ''Viewtiful Joe'' game
* ''I-Ninja'' game
* Kryptonics "Skater in a Box"
* [[Night of the Combaticons|''Generation One'' #1]]
* ''Saint Seiya'' DVD
* [[This Evil Reborn|''Energon'' #19]]
* [[Generation 1 issue 0|''Generation 1'' #0]]
* ''Darkminds Macropolis'' Vol.2 #3
* ''Duel Masters'' #2 (back cover)
* ''Megaman'' #4
* ''Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles'' #7
* ''[[Transformers/G.I. Joe]]'' #5
* ''[[Devastation (issue)|The Dark Ages #3]]''
* ''[[Revelation (The Dark Ages)|The Dark Ages #4]]''
* ''Duel Masters'' #3 (back cover)

===Reprints===
* '''''Transformers Armada: Volume 3: Worlds Collide''''' ([[April 28]], [[2004]]) ISBN 0973381744 / ISBN 978-0973381740
:*Collects issues #12–18.
:*Bonus material includes a cover gallery and a preview of the ''[[Transformers: Energon (comic)|Energon]]'' comic.

* '''''Transformers Armada'' Vol. 3 (Japan ed.)''' (December, 2004) ISBN 4861760631 / ISBN 978-4861760631
:*Same content as Dreamwave's volume 3, translated to Japanese.

* '''''Transformers Armada'' Vol. 7 (Spain ed.)''' (September, 2007) ISBN 978-8498472264
:* Reprints issues 16–18, translated to Spanish.

* '''''Transformers Armada: Volume 3'' (IDW reprint)''' ([[April 15]], [[2009]]) ISBN 1600104029 / ISBN 978-1600104022
:* Straight reprint of the Dreamwave trade with same contents.

* '''''Transformers Armada: Omnibus''''' ([[August 18]], [[2010]]) ISBN 160010715X / ISBN 978-1600107153
:*Contains issues 1–18.
:*Bonus material includes the [[Armada Preview]] issue.
:*Reissued in 2016 with a new cover.

* '''''[[Transformers: The Definitive G1 Collection]] Volume 28: Worlds Collide Part 2''''' ([[October 3]], [[2018]])
:* Collects issues #14–18 and Dreamwave's ''[[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye]]'' #8
:* Includes a brief overview of Dreamwave's ''[[Transformers: Energon (comic)|Energon]]'' comic, a bonus glossary section dedicated entirely to background material from the Dreamwave G1-verse, a cover gallery and an intro by Simon Furman.

<gallery>
File:DW Armada V3.jpg|'''''Transformers Armada: Volume 3: Worlds Collide'''''
File:DW Armada V3-Japan.jpg|'''''Transformers Armada:'' Volume 3 (Japan ed.)'''
File:DW Armada V7-Spain.jpg|'''''Transformers Armada:'' Volume 7 (Spain ed.)'''
File:DW Armada V3-IDW.jpg|'''''Transformers Armada:'' Volume 3 (IDW reprint)'''
File:Armada Omnibus-2010.jpg|'''''Transformers Armada: Omnibus'''''
File:Armada Omnibus-2016.jpg|'''''Transformers Armada: Omnibus'' (reissue)'''
File:DefinitiveG1Collection v28.jpg|'''''Definitive G1 Collection Vol. 28: Worlds Collide Part 2'''''
</gallery>

{{DEFAULTSORT:End}}
[[Category:Dreamwave Armada issues]]

Uprising (Armada)

2020-07-28T05:57:15Z

Bag of Magic Food: /* Differences with Micron Legend */ I hope this is all the visual changes. I'm not confident in handling the translation quibbles yet.

{{picsneeded}}
{{disambig3|Uprising}}
{{episode|
|series=Armada
|ep=44
|prev=Puppet
|next=Dash (episode)
|title="Uprising"
|furigana=せいばーとろん
|japanese=帰還
|romaji=Cybertron
|translation=Return: Cybertron
|image=Uprising-SidewaysSpookyGhost.jpg
|caption=
|production code=TF: A-44
|production company=[[TV Tokyo]], [[Nihon Ad Systems|NAS]]
|writer=[[Akira Okeya]]
|director=[[Ken'ichi Ishikura]]
|animation studio=[[Actas Inc.]]
|airdate=[[September 25]], [[2003]] (English, United Kingdom) [[October 31|31 October]] [[2003]] (Japanese) [[November 14]], [[2003]] (English, United States)
|continuity=[[Unicron Trilogy]]
}}

'''The Autobots arrive on Cybertron to find Galvatron has already conquered it, but a larger evil still approaches.'''

==Synopsis==
[[File:Decepticon Uprising.jpg|thumb|200px|left]]
As [[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Galvatron]]'s ship reaches [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], a fleet of ships rises from the surface of the planet to meet it. Using the [[Mini-Con]] weapons, the [[Decepticon]] leader is easily able to take down two of the ships, and he sends his men to the surface of the planet to engage the [[Autobot]]s below in combat. Although [[Starscream (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Starscream]] hesitates, believing Galvatron will steal all the glory, [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] says simply to follow his lead and the universe will be theirs.

Meanwhile, the Autobots are struggling to repair their ship after the damage it sustained during the last clash with the Decepticons. The kids worry that they're sitting ducks should the Decepticons decide to come back. Although [[Blurr (Armada)|Blurr]]'s calculations suggest that the heaviest fighting will be in the north of Cybertron, [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Optimus]] decides they'll set down in the south rather than going into battle immediately. With the drive finally repaired, they hit warp.

From space, Cybertron looks deserted. [[High Wire (Armada)|High Wire]], [[Grindor (Armada)|Grindor]] and [[Sureshock (Armada)|Sureshock]] suddenly become excited and jump out an airlock, closely followed by [[Carlos Lopez|Carlos]]. The boy watches as, cloaked in balls of green light, the swarm of Mini-Cons all begin to come together. Blurr intercepts Carlos. On the ship, the kids realise the Mini-Cons are forming a shield of some sort while what appears to be a black hole hangs menacingly in space. [[Alexis Thi Dang|Alexis]] believes that this means [[Unicron]] is coming. Optimus and [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] merge and go to talk to High Wire. A phantasm of [[Sideways (Armada)|Sideways]] appears and is fired on by the Mini-Cons. After telling the Mini-Cons to get lost, the apparition promptly disappears again.

The Decepticons realise that Optimus's group of Autobots have arrived.

The kids and the Autobots discuss the impending arrival of Unicron and the situation on Cybertron. Though the Autobots want to mount a single surprise attack, Optimus believes that a more dispersed attack is required. They touch down individually in pods to find a ruined landscape, and begin searching for survivors. Optimus and Jetfire soon run into trouble in the form of Galvatron and his men. Starscream and Thrust hang back above the fight. With the two Autobots pinned down, Optimus contacts the [[Axalon (Armada)|''Axalon'']] and orders the launch of [[Overload (Armada)|Overload]]. [[Side Swipe (Armada)|Side Swipe]] is hesitant, as it will leave the ship and Mini-Cons unprotected, but Red Alert reminds him it's an order. Optimus powerlinks with Overload and begins blasting the Decepticons.

Elsewhere, the other Autobots are fighting more Decepticons while searching for Autobot survivors. Autobot ships begin rising out of the ground and opening fire on the Decepticon fleet.

The kids on the ''Axalon'' realise their Mini-Cons have gone missing again and intercept the trio at the airlock, ready to go out and join the battle. Carlos is opposed to it, but the other kids feel that the Mini-Cons have a right to go out and fight for their home planet.

Galvatron and Optimus meet in one-on-one battle, but Optimus tells his foe of the oncoming danger going by the name of Unicron. Galvatron doesn't believe him, naturally, but the discussion is momentary interrupted by the ground quaking and a chunk of building almost hitting the Decepticon leader. Optimus points dramatically to the sky at the black hole. Chunks of ground begin floating upwards. Soon the debris and even the ships hanging in the sky begin to be sucked towards the black hole.

Thrust gloats that the plan is coming together, much to Starscream's confusion. Soon they notice a new activity: The Mini-Cons begin to pour into the black hole. More Mini-Cons reinforce the shield, and energy begins to rain down on Cybertron. The voice of the Mini-Cons implores for the fighting to stop.

Galvatron is still skeptical of Optimus, even when [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]] reports that the Mini-Cons have driven off whatever was attacking the planet, but he calls a retreat. Optimus orders the Autobots back to the ''Axalon''. Thrust observes that the Mini-Cons have stopped their attack on the black hole.

Sideways swears that the Mini-Cons will pay for their attack.

The kids and Autobots thank the Mini-Cons, but High Wire says that Unicron will be back, and the Mini-Cons will protect them again.

Galvatron still thinks Unicron is just an Autobot trick. Thrust muses that this foolish belief will make things much easier for his true master.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] (7)
*[[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] (8)
*[[Smokescreen (Armada)|Hoist]] (9)
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] (10)
*[[Blurr (Armada)|Blurr]] (19)
*[[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] (20)
*[[Side Swipe (Armada)|Side Swipe]] (22)
*[[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] (23)
*[[Overload (Armada)|Overload]] (24)
*[[generic|generic Autobots]]

|c2=
*[[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] (1)
*[[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]] (2)
*[[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] (3)
*[[Starscream (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Starscream]] (4)
*[[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]] (5)
*[[Wheeljack (Armada)|Wheeljack]] (6)
*[[generic|generic Decepticons]]

|c3=
*[[Fred (Armada)|Fred]] (11)
*[[Billy (Armada)|Billy]] (12)
*[[Alexis Thi Dang|Alexis]] (14)
*[[Rad White|Rad]] (15)
*[[Carlos Lopez|Carlos]] (17)

|h4=[[Mini-Con]]s|c4=
*[[Sureshock (Armada)|Sureshock]] (13)
*[[High Wire (Armada)|High Wire]] (16)
*[[Grindor (Armada)|Grindor]] (18)

|c5=
*[[Sideways (Armada)|Sideways]] (21)
}}

==Quotes==
"This is where the battle begins and ends, gentlemen."
:—'''Thrust'''

"Optimus Prime is marching right into the palm of my hand, where I will crush him."
:—'''Galvatron'''

"Welcome to Cybertron! It's so nice of you to join us. At least now we'll be able to bury you on your home planet, Optimus Prime."
:—'''Galvatron'''

"This war transcends far beyond us, Galvatron. A force is coming, and you and I alone cannot stop it."
:—'''Optimus''' attempts to warn Galvatron about Unicron.

"Would ya like a little cheese with your whine?"
:—'''Jetfire''' tries to be a generously insulting waiter for Cyclonus.

==Notes==
===Differences with ''Micron Legend''===
*During one of the opening pans with the assembled Decepticons in the background, ''Micron Legend'' removes an emblem from the floor in the foreground.
*When Thrust first speaks to Starscream, the wing on Thrust's left arm sticks out at a different angle. Thrust doesn't raise his arms at the end of the shot in ''Micron Legend''.
*During the zoom-in on the moon just before the title card, ''Micron Legend'' omits two of the incoming lasers seen in ''Armada'', yet their sound effects can still be heard.
*''Micron Legend'' corrects some coloring confusion between Blurr's vehicle-mode canopy and the chair in which he is sitting when Optimus Prime asks him about landing coordinates, making the canopy consistently red with gray trim and the chair consistently mint green. It also removes an odd barrier behind Blurr which turns out to have been completely concealing Red Alert!
*After Rad and Alexis first observe Cybertron, High Wire does not speak Japanese in ''Micron Legend'', only his usual beeps.
*''Armada'' shows lots of Mini-Con light balls "raining" straight down past the ''Axalon'', while ''Micron Legend'' has just seven of them whirling in circles.
*When Carlos pounds on the doors to the airlock, ''Micron Legend'' removes the white from his eyes.
*As Carlos floats out the airlock, the ceiling behind him is a dull brown in ''Armada'' but a medium blue in ''Micron Legend''.
*In the crowd of glowing Mini-Cons, the two in front who look like [[Sureshot (G1)|Sureshot]] and [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] in ''Armada'' are replaced with [[Spiral]] and [[Backtrack (Armada)|Backtrack]] in ''Micron Legend''.
*Upon cutting from the crew's speculation back to Blurr in space, the black hole is much smaller in ''Micron Legend'' than in the same shot in ''Armada''.
*High Wire only beeps instead of speaking Japanese to Jet Optimus in space in ''Micron Legend'' as well.
*After Sideways vanishes, the black hole is already present at the start of the next shot in ''Micron Legend'' but has to fade back into view in ''Armada''.
*Where the doors open to reveal Carlos and the Mini-Cons' return in ''Armada'', ''Micron Legend'' has them already standing in front of closed doors, yet there's still the sound of doors moving then.
*The Mini-Con speech phenomenon gets switched around when the kids ask the Mini-Cons about Unicron: High Wire only beeps in ''Armada'', but he speaks of "the Mini-Cons' enemy" in Japanese in ''Micron Legend'' and lights up his eyes yellow as he does so!
*In the exterior establishing shot for the Autobots conferring, Cybertron fills much more of the frame in ''Armada'', taking a while to even enter the frame in ''Micron Legend''.
*The Decepticon fleet's lasers that somehow became yellow upon impacting Cybertron in ''Armada'' were correctly recolored back to purple for ''Micron Legend''.
*When Jetfire remarks on the ambush, Optimus Prime's gray arm in ''Armada'' is recolored to its usual blue and yellow for ''Micron Legend''.
*Different music plays from when Optimus Prime transforms to Super Mode until the kids notice the Mini-Cons have left again.
*The first random Decepticon that Hot Shot attacks is recolored in ''Micron Legend'' to match the colors he receives on falling down in ''Armada''. The fourth Decepticon to take a hit is also recolored, possibly because ''Armada'' gave him the same color scheme as the first Decepticon.
*When the Mini-Cons are about to leave again, the second door to the airlock waits for the first door to open completely in ''Micron Legend'', but ''Armada'' has it open halfway simultaneously first.
*In their last shot before the Mini-Cons are outside again, Carlos and Rad are redrawn so that Rad doesn't appear to be rolling his eyes upward in ''Micron Legend''.
*After Galvatron dramatically leaps down to challenge Optimus Prime, ''Micron Legend'' adds an inert Overload to the background and Optimus Prime to the foreground, and it zooms out to reveal Prime there.
*When Galvatron charges at Optimus Prime with the [[Star Saber (Armada)|Star Saber]], he only has diagonal speed lines behind him in ''Armada'' but has an actual Cybertron background pulling back in ''Micron Legend''.
*When Optimus Prime stops Galvatron's sword hand, Optimus's own hand is recolored and his arm redrawn for ''Micron Legend'' for being erroneously drawn in Super Mode for this scene in ''Armada''.
*As Optimus tries to get through to Galvatron about the threat of Unicron, the (likely recycled) closeup of Galvatron's face from ''Armada'' is replaced by a whole new shot of Optimus and Galvatron leaning into each other. Then the following panning closeup of Optimus is entirely redrawn; notably, ''Armada'' features an unusual "radiator shutters" interpretation of his helmet crest that becomes a flat sheet of rectangles for ''Micron Legend''.
*The reverse shot of Galvatron grappling with Optimus Prime is redrawn for ''Micron Legend'' because Optimus is again in Super Mode by mistake in ''Armada''. The shot is also less cropped in ''Micron Legend'', bringing Optimus's face into the frame. And when Galvatron pushes him away, ''Micron Legend'' has an actual full-body animation of Optimus staggering back where ''Armada'' simply recycles the previous closeup with a bounce and a zoom-out to imply his steps.
*''Micron Legend'' adds Optimus Prime to the shot where the falling wreck near-misses Galvatron, making them both have to dash out of the way.
*The shot of the black hole that pans left in ''Armada'' pans right in ''Micron Legend'' and has a different space background with Cybertron added to the foreground.
*In ''Micron Legend'', the rubble that rises out of Cybertron has been recolored from blue to brown in the wide shot of Optimus Prime and Galvatron and behind Galvatron in his subsequent closeup, yet it's still blue in the rest of the scene, including in front of Optimus's face! Must be some varied ground there.
*The Mini-Cons glow much brighter when they first streak away in ''Armada''; ''Micron Legend'' recolors the streaks to the same shade of yellow they have in the rest of the scene.
*''Micron Legend'' adds a pillar of wreckage for Cyclonus to crash into in two shots where he appears to be pinned against nothing in ''Armada''. It does appear in ''Armada'' the second and fourth times it should, however.
*High Wire and Grindor both get to speak words in both English and Japanese in the end, but their eyes only glow yellow for the Japanese dub.
*When Demolishor objects to Galvatron's certainty at the end, their faces have been redrawn for ''Micron Legend''. For Galvatron this mainly makes his eyes shiny and his chin a little flatter. For Demolishor this makes his eyes more uneven, and he shifts into a grimace instead of a pucker of surprise.

===Animation and technical errors===
* Alexis calls Sureshock "Grindor", again.
* Optimus Prime refers to the ''Axalon'' as the ''Axion''.
**Shortly afterwards (just before he orders Overload to be launched), his left arm is colored entirely gray.
* In a shot where Galvatron boasts to Optimus while combined with Tidal Wave, the right arm armor piece is not drawn in. All the while the Requiem Blaster he's holding is miscolored dark purple and grey like the said armor piece he's missing.
* Hot Shot punches a [[generic]] Decepticon who has a yellow body and blue helmet and arms as the punch lands, and a blue body and a yellow helmet and arms as he hits the ground. That Powerlinx upgrade must really pack a wallop.
*When the Decepticons are to "take care of the small fry first" Wheeljack and the Autobot Generics shown just afterward are shown to fire without weapons, with shots coming from their FISTS! The Autobot generics' hands are also clearly supposed to be clutching guns.

===Trivia===
*It takes an amazingly short time for Galvatron to lay all of Cybertron to ruin.
*[[Sureshot (G1)|Sureshot]] and [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]]'s character models get used again, as generic Autobot soldiers who face the initial Decepticon attack, and again as Mini-Cons.

===Foreign localization===
'''German'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Der Aufstand'''" ("The Uprising")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[December 16|16 December]] [[2003]]

'''Hungarian'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Ütközet'''" ("Clash")

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;DVD
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2004 — ''Transformers: Micron Legend'' — Volume 11 ([[Columbia Music Entertainment]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2006 — ''Transformers: Armada'' — Season One: Part Two ([[Rhino Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of Germany.png|20px|Germany]] 2009 — ''Transformers: Armada'' — Volume Two ([[New KSM]]) — English and German audio. 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2014 — ''Transformers: Armada'' — The Complete Series ([[Shout! Factory]])

[[Category:Armada episodes]]

Talk:Remorse

2020-07-20T16:13:10Z

Bag of Magic Food: /* Has anyone seen this updated dub? */

"'''Hot Shot''' gets frustrated with how passively the other Autobots have been handling Prime's death, and goes to the teleporter room to meet with '''Hot Shot'''." ? --[[User:82.41.82.183|82.41.82.183]] 04:46, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
:He clearly meant to say "Leader-1 gets frustrated with how the other Leader-1s have been handling Leader-1's death, and goes to the teleporter room to meet with Leader-1." --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:04, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

== Has anyone seen this updated dub? ==

I've been watching this series on Tubi TV, and at this point I noticed something that doesn't jibe with what's been written on the wiki. I keep reading that "The Unicron Battles" doesn't begin until episode 41, but Tubi has the new Unicron Battles intro along with new commercial bumpers start right here in episode 40! Furthermore, Smokescreen is suddenly called "Hoist" in this episode, but the wiki doesn't acknowledge this happening until episode 42. So I found a recording of the original broadcast, and now I understand:

It was changed! Fred had his first line extended from "Is there any way we can fix Optimus?" to add, "the way we fixed up Smokescreen? I mean Hoist?", which required starting the line sooner and made his speech overlap with the animation of him just crying. Red Alert's response was then rewritten some to fit in another mention of Smokescreen's deal, going from...

"I'm sorry. It can't be done. Optimus's body released its Spark when it blocked the Hydra Cannon's blast, and without it, there's no way we can bring him back. I wish there was some way we could, but we're just going to have to pull ourselves together and carry on without him."

to...

"No. I'm sorry, we can't. Optimus's body released its Spark when it blocked the Hydra Cannon. We saved Smokescreen's Spark and were able to reformat him into Hoist. I wish there was some way that we could but... we're just going to have to carry on without him."

And sure enough, in the next scene, "Try and be more careful, Smokescreen!" was replaced with, "Please, try and be more careful, Hoist." So at some point this episode had parts rerecorded to introduce Smokescreen's new name two episodes earlier; I think the metallic ring on the Autobots' voices even sounds different on the replaced lines. Now I've read that an earlier episode had one mention of Sparkplug's name corrected for a DVD release, and I gather that these official online streams are based upon complete American DVD sets, so I'm guessing that one of those DVDs is where those changes were first released. So is there anyone who owns the DVD that could confirm whether the Unicron Battles intro and Hoist's name now begin with "Remorse" and no earlier before I try editing all this onto a page, pretty please? -[[User:Bag of Magic Food|Bag of Magic Food]] ([[User talk:Bag of Magic Food|talk]]) 06:07, 20 July 2020 (EDT)
:Gosh, this is the first I've ever heard of this. I can confirm that this change is ''not'' on the original Kid Rhino DVD set of the series. Perhaps it could be on the Shout Factory set? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 08:03, 20 July 2020 (EDT)
::Thanks for checking! Shout Factory does sound like a possibility, but I can't imagine why they'd wait so long to publish those vocal retakes. I was also a bit baffled when I watched the Generation 1 cartoon on Tubi last year, which presents the episodes in the order on Shout's discs, but the video seems to be from Rhino's original DVDs, with ''all'' the pre-retake animation mistakes and Rhino's meager attempts to fix a few, yet it doesn't include any of Rhino's new sound effects. The parts of the soundtrack that are known to differ between versions don't match what I've read about the Shout releases either, so there must be a ''third'' source in the mix that I have yet to pin down. -[[User:Bag of Magic Food|Bag of Magic Food]] ([[User talk:Bag of Magic Food|talk]]) 12:13, 20 July 2020 (EDT)

Talk:Remorse

2020-07-20T10:07:56Z

Bag of Magic Food: /* Has anyone seen this updated dub? */ new section

Sacrifice

2020-07-16T22:09:26Z

Bag of Magic Food: /* Differences with Micron Legend */ (I may come back and dig deeper into these differences after I learn how to take quality screenshots of this series, but I wanted to mention the mantis before I forgot.)

{{Picsneeded}}
{{episode|
|series=Armada
|ep=33
|prev=Past II
|next=Regeneration (Armada)
|title="Sacrifice"
|furigana=すていし
|japanese=犠牲
|romaji=Suteishi
|translation=Scapegoat: Sacrificed [[Go (game)|Go]] Stone
|image=sacrifice.jpg
|caption=
|production code=TF: A-33
|production company=[[TV Tokyo]], [[Nihon Ad Systems|NAS]]
|writer=[[Akira Okeya]]
|director=[[Shigeki Hatayama]]
|animation studio=[[Actas Inc.]]
|airdate=[[April 12]], [[2003]] (English) [[August 22|22 August]] [[2003]] (Japanese)
|continuity=[[Unicron Trilogy]]
}}

'''Megatron sends Starscream on a suicide mission and an Autobot falls in battle.'''

==Synopsis==
On the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]], [[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Megatron]] and [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] discuss the necessary tactics needed for the [[Decepticon]]s to obtain the [[Requiem Blaster (Armada)|Requiem Blaster]]. Megatron agrees to give up the [[Star Saber (Armada)|Star Saber]] for the time, but only on the condition that Thrust's plan is effective, or else Thrust will pay.

[[File:Autobot_stealth_sacrifice.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Has it occurred to them that if they want to hide, they might be slightly less visible in vehicle mode?]]

The [[Autobot]]s hide in the jungle, due to an anonymous tip that the Decepticons are in the area. [[Smokescreen (Armada)|Smokescreen]] and [[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] stay behind at the Autobot base, protecting the [[Space Mini-Con Team|Space Team]] [[Mini-Con]]s, in case the Decepticons attack. Smokescreen tries to make friends with the Mini-Cons, while the kids debate the ethics of using the Mini-Cons in battle. At the same time, the Autobots in the jungle have a similar debate.

[[Laserbeak (Armada)|Laserbeak]] detects Starscream in the area. Armed with the Star Saber, [[Starscream (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Starscream]] screams and tries to draw out the Autobots with yelling. After Starscream begins to destroy the jungle, [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] and [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] combine to fight back. Spying from a distance, Megatron and his goons wonder where the Requiem Blaster is. [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave]] and the [[Sea Mini-Con Team]] also fire into the forest to draw out the rest of the Autobots.

The kids and Red Alert find their equipment at the base is malfunctioning, courtesy of [[Sideways (Armada)|Sideways]]. Sideways also telepathically whispers images of the Requiem Blaster in the Autobot base to Thrust, but the tactician dismisses the message as a hallucination.

In the sky, Starscream strikes at Optimus Prime. With a flash of lightning, it suddenly starts to rain all over the forest. After the two warriors land, Optimus tries to reason with Starscream, but Starscream never listens and attacks the Autobot leader. Yet not a single slash connects. Eventually the Star Saber deactivates (possibly damaged from the rain), so Starscream calls for help from the other Decepticons. But to his dismay, Starscream finds all the other Decepticons have abandoned him, leaving Starscream on his own against the six Autobots. Before the six can beat down on the lone Decepticon, Laserbeak brings a message to the team that the Decepticons have invaded the base. The Autobots teleport home, leaving Starscream to cry in the rain.

The Autobots find their base trashed, with the kids in hiding. With help from Sideways, the Decepticons were able to invade the base and bypass the security systems that stopped them [[Swoop (episode)|before]]. In another section of the base, Smokescreen tries to protect the Mini-Cons. Megatron blows into the room and tears past Smokescreen, claiming the three Mini-Cons and combining them into the Requiem Blaster. Smokescreen refuses to stay down and takes on Megatron by himself, but Megatron fires his blaster right at Smokescreen.

[[File:Smokescreen dies sacrifice.jpg|200px|thumb|If you squint really really hard, you can see that he's giving Megatron the finger.]]
A torrent of energy pours from the blaster, shoving Smokescreen right through one of the Autobots' walls, his scream stunning the Autobots and humans. Even after such heavy abuse, Smokescreen rises again, a wide hole straight through his own torso, and his pieces all banged out of shape. The Autobot approaches Megatron while the air around him still ripples in the heat of the last blast. The determination of the melting Autobot scares the Decepticons into retreating with their prize.

In Optimus's arms, Smokescreen deactivates. The Autobots salute their fallen comrade, and Optimus screams in sadness.
{{--}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] (3)
*[[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] (4)
*[[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] (5)
*[[Blurr (Armada)|Blurr]] (6)
*[[Side Swipe (Armada)|Side Swipe]] (7)
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] (8)
*[[Smokescreen (Armada)|Smokescreen]] (10)
*[[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] (16)
*[[Laserbeak (Armada)|Laserbeak]] (17)

|c2=
*[[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Megatron]] (1)
*[[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] (2)
*[[Starscream (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Starscream]] (18)
*[[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]] (19)
*[[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave]] (20)
*[[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]] (23)
*[[Wheeljack (Armada)|Wheeljack]] (24)

|c3=
*[[Rad White]] (11)
*[[Carlos Lopez]] (12)
*[[Alexis Thi Dang|Alexis]] (13)
*[[Fred (Armada)|Fred]] (14)
*[[Billy (Armada)|Billy]] (15)

|h4=[[Mini-Con]]s|c4=
*[[Space Mini-Con Team]] (9)
*[[Sea Mini-Con Team]] (21)

|c5=
*[[Sideways (Armada)|Sideways]] (22)
}}

==Quotes==
'''Starscream:''' "Here I come, Autobots! You're all mine! So come out from your hiding places, you cowards, and face the most powerful Decepticon in the universe!" 
'''Jetfire:''' "Boy, sure doesn't have a self-image problem, does he?"
:—Jetfire calling the kettle black.

'''Demolishor:''' "I'm not talking to you, Eraserhead, I'm talking to Megatron. So butt out, will ya?"
:—Not the [[Crisis (Armada)#Quotes|last time]] someone will mock Thrust's head.

'''Sideways:''' "There shall never be peace in this universe, there must always be war."
:—A glimpse of Sideways's true motives.

==Notes==
===Differences with ''Micron Legend''===
*As Starscream and Jet Optimus are discussing the meaning of the war in the rain before dueling again, there is a wide shot that's completely static in ''Armada'', but ''Micron Legend'' makes it a focus-shifting pan over from a praying mantis eating a snail added to the foreground. Curiously, ''Armada'' does include the follow-up shot of the goo-dripping shell falling.
*Smokescreen's death scene is slightly different in ''Micron Legend''; the shot where the Requiem Blaster's beam pierces him, the background is colored deep red and white. Also, when the fatally wounded Smokescreen tries to walk, he is seen glowing with orange energy, which fades away when Convoy takes him in his arms.

===Animation and technical errors===
* At one point, Scavenger's hands are mismatched. His right hand has square- shaped fingertips, while his left hand has pointy triangular fingertips. Fortunately, only one of the square shaped fingers is visible due to the position of Scavenger's arms, so the error is excusable.
* Jetfire's "nose" is colored white in one shot.
* Just before the Decepticons teleport out of the Autobot base, Smokescreen's antenna/horn is colored blue instead of orange. In the scenes of Smokescreen dying afterward, he is missing the antenna/horn.

===Continuity errors===
* The Autobots have apparently forgotten they also possess the [[Skyboom (Armada)|Skyboom Shield]].
* Tidal Wave is referred to by his Japanese name, Shockwave, throughout this episode.
* Smokescreen has apparently forgotten that the Decepticons had once already invaded the base.

===Trivia===
*The kanji 犠牲 would be as "''gisei''", while "''suteishi''" is be used for either 捨て石, 捨石, 棄て石, or 棄石.

===Foreign localization===
'''German'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Smokescreens Ende'''" ("Smokescreens End")
:*''Original airdate:'' This episode was never shown on TV, but was dubbed in 2003. The dub premiered in 2009 with the German DVD release of the show.

'''Hungarian'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Áldozat'''" ("Sacrifice")

'''Korean'''
:*''Title:'' "'''값진 희생'''" ("Precious Sacrifice")

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;DVD
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2003 — ''Transformers: Micron Legend'' — Volume 9 ([[Columbia Music Entertainment]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2006 — ''Transformers: Armada'' — Season One: Part Two ([[Rhino Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of Germany.png|20px|Germany]] 2009 — ''Transformers: Armada'' — Volume Two ([[New KSM]]) — English and German audio. 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2014 — ''Transformers: Armada'' — The Complete Series ([[Shout! Factory]])

[[Category:Armada episodes]]

Something Robotic This Way Comes

2020-07-06T07:56:14Z

Bag of Magic Food: Added a category and tried making one Wikipedia link less redundant

{{Comicstory|
|seriesissue=[[Transformers Legends (book)|Transformers Legends]]
|prev=Redemption Center
|next=Two for the Price of One
|title="Something Robotic This Way Comes"
|image=
|caption=
|publisher=[[ibooks]]
|date=[[November 30]], [[2004]]
|writer=[[John J. Miller]]
|continuity=''Armada'' (Unique)
|pagecount=17
}}

'''Trick or... treat? Yeah. Treat. Beep.'''

==Synopsis==
''In the far future, on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], once a year the [[Mini-Con]]s gather to pass on stories in an oral tradition. This is one such story, as related by an extremely old Mini-Con.''

It's Autumn in [[South Dakota]], and [[Alexis Thi Dang|Alexis]], [[Carlos Lopez|Carlos]], and [[Rad White|Rad]] have gone camping with their Mini-Con friends. They discuss that night's [[Halloween]] celebration — Rad is intending to go as a [[zombie]], while Carlos's costume is a secret. Alexis professes to be above all that, and is going out collecting for {{w|UNICEF}} instead. Confused, the Mini-Cons ask what Halloween is. Alexis explains how it was an end-of-summer ritual which started in [[Ireland]] some 2500 years ago, but is now used by children to obtain candy from strangers. The Mini-Cons are still confused, so Rad suggests the kids bring the Mini-Cons with them when they trick-or-treat.

That night, in the school yard, Rad tells a ghost story, which causes the Mini-Cons to panic. While he's laughing, Alexis turns the tables by creeping up on him from behind and making him jump. Carlos asks to be helped into his costume, which turns out to be a poorly-constructed facsimile of a Mini-Con, and they go trick-or-treating.

Arriving at a street, they are initially uncertain as to what to do with the Mini-Cons, until Rad and Carlos decide they can come beg for candy. Alexis reveals her costume — she's trick-or-treating as a princess. The boys manage to keep straight faces. At the first house, they encounter a dog, but the residents restrain it and distribute candy (and money for UNICEF to Alexis and [[Sureshock (Armada)|Sureshock]]). Afterwards, they go over the rules again. Rad explains that if they don't get candy, they can later return to the house and "soap their windows or t.p. their trees". This established, the three humans and three Mini-Cons continue trick-or-treating.

''The story ended, the Mini-Cons announce that the lesson to be learned is "be generous in spirit, and others will be generous to you." The old Mini-Con, who is Sureshock, puts on an Alexis mask and, waving their bars of soap and rolls of t.p., the Mini-Cons go trick-or-treating.''

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|h1=[[Mini-Con]]s|c1=
* Future Mini-cons (1)
* [[Sureshock (Armada)|Sureshock]] (5)
* [[High Wire (Armada)|High Wire]] (6)
* [[Grindor (Armada)|Grindor]] (7)
|c3=
* [[Alexis Thi Dang|Alexis]] (2)
* [[Carlos Lopez|Carlos]] (3)
* [[Rad White|Rad]] (4)
}}

==Notes==
* Sureshock is male in this story.
===Errors===
* "Transformed" is spelled "trandformed" on page 114.
* "Bag" is mispelled as "big" on page 117.

===Continuity notes===
* This story takes place in an ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' continuity where the Autobot/Decepticon war effectively hasn't ended, but the Mini-Cons have returned to Cybertron anyway.
* Lincoln is located in South Dakota pointing to this story specifically taking place in [[Transformers: Armada (Dreamwave)|Dreamwave's comic continuity]].

===Real-world references===
* Appropriately for Halloween, the title is a reference to the classic line "{{w|Something Wicked This Way Comes|Something wicked this way comes}}" from "{{w|Macbeth}}".

===Trivia===
* Let's hope they don't t.p. ol' [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]]'s place, or there'll be hell to pay.

[[Category:Armada media]]
[[Category:Text stories]]

Singularity Ablyss

2020-07-06T07:32:15Z

Bag of Magic Food: Beast Machines media category

{{Comicstory|
|seriesissue=[[Transformers Legends (book)|Transformers Legends]]
|prev=Fire in the Dark
|title="Singularity Ablyss"
|image=
|caption=
|publisher=[[ibooks]]
|date=[[November 30]], [[2004]]
|writer=[[Bob Skir|Robert N. Skir]]
|continuity=[[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Machines cartoon]]
|pagecount=25
}}
'''Why ''Beast Machines''-era Megatron is frickin' ''hardcore''.'''

==Synopsis==
[[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]] finds himself floating in confusion, reflecting on the events which led to his attempt to purify [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] of the organic. As he streaks through the streets of [[Cybertropolis]], he has a brief encounter with something on the same plane as himself, before fleeing. He possesses a patchwork body and attacks [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] and [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]] with it. After turning Blackarachnia's attack back against her, his body overloads, releasing his spark. He soon encounters the strange form again, and realises it is [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]], the [[Maximal]] he had used to create [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]].

Rhinox is to act as Megatron's guide on his final journey to the [[Transformer afterlife|Allspark]], leaving the corporeal world behind. Megatron soon finds himself being led against his will to a higher plane, through metaphorical realms, the first of which are Splendor and Eternity. Though them, Megatron is able to perceive the whole of time and space, and the patterns that lie therein. Soon, Megatron finds himself in the [[technorganic orchard]], attacking [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] and [[Botanica (BM)|Botanica]] until his spark is once again rejected by the [[Cycle Drone|cycle drone]] it was occupying.

Back in the incorporeal world, Rhinox guides Megatron through the realms of Beauty and Severity, the latter of which Rhinox defines as resolve and determination. They visit the sphere of Mercy, which Megatron finds difficult to grasp before he is pulled back to the physical world in the body of a [[Aero Drone|Jetstorm drone]]. In this form, he finds [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]] and [[Strika (BM)|Strika]] accepting [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] and [[Nightscream (BM)|Nightscream]]'s offer to join them. Furious, he attacks them, fighting all four of them until his body again explodes.

Rhinox welcomes Megatron to the realms of Understanding and Wisdom. At the same time, Megatron sees his own spark knock Silverbolt out of the air and tangle with his ex-generals. He suddenly realises that the spiritual journey he is on is as real as the events on Cybertron. Rhinox is pleased with his pupil's final understanding, and they arrive at the Allspark; however, Megatron finds the idea of being absorbed and becoming a part of the whole distasteful. Aware of Rattrap struggling with a [[spark extractor]], Megatron realises that his spark must have become depolarized, and uses the knowledge of his physical state to annihilate Rhinox's spirit.

Though he expects to also be destroyed by the action, he finds himself back in the physical world, trapped in the body of a [[Diagnostic Drone]]. However now, with the knowledge he has gained from his spiritual journey, Megatron intends to assimilate the Allspark itself and become a god.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|h1=[[Maximal]]s|c1=
*[[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] (2)
*[[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] (3)
*[[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]] (4)
*[[Botanica (BM)|Botanica]] (5)
*[[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] (6)
*[[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] (8)
*[[Nightscream (BM)|Nightscream]] (9)

|h2=[[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicons]]|c2=
*[[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]] (1)
*[[Thrust (BM)|Thrust]] (7)
*[[Strika (BM)|Strika]] (10)
*[[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]] (11)
}}

==Notes==
===Errors===
* On page 274: "awaiting the agonizing deaths I was only to willing to deliver." That should be "too willing to deliver."
* Blackarachnia is consistently spelled "Black Arachnia".
* Silverbolt is described as "angelically-winged", though his [[technorganic]] body's robot mode doesn't possess wings.
* On page 289, Megatron speaks of deliver the "coup d'morte," though the proper spelling should be "coup-de-mort." It's French for "death-stroke."
* Nightscream is described as having "taser fangs" which deliver a shock, which is inconsistent with their use on the show to drain energy.

===Continuity notes===
* Despite the statement in the foreword of ''Transformers Legends'', this story is written by the editor of ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'', and can pretty much slot into the events of "[[Spark of Darkness]]", albeit not seamlessly. That said, we totally won't blame you if you want to completely [[Personal canon|disregard it]] and choose to believe Rhinox is still hanging around somewhere in the [[Transformer afterlife|Allspark]].
* Though the scenes are laid out to tie in with "Spark of Darkness", there are some notable alterations:
** Rather than fleeing from the first zombie, Silverbolt assumes it's a revived Cybertronian and tries to reassure it. This encounter is substantially cut down from what was onscreen.
** The encounter with Rattrap and Botanica ends with Megatron's drone body exploding, whereas in the episode, it merely falls over.
** Strika gets some extra dialog where she asks the Jet drone who it is. Cheetor then tries to contact [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus]] only to find the comm links are jammed.
** The sequence with the drone trying to drag Cheetor to his doom is gone.

===Transformers references===
* The depiction of the afterlife here is very similar to its depiction in "[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 2]]", but this is purely a coincidence as the author of this story had never seen that episode.

===Real-world references===
* The tour through the Transformer afterlife is based on [[Dante Alighieri]]'s {{w|Divine Comedy}}, a 14th-century epic poem detailing the Christian afterlife. Where Dante is led by Virgil and Beatrice, Megatron is led by Rhinox through [[Tree of Life|several layers]] of the Matrix afterlife, though in contrast to Dante's work, the layers used here are the ten sephirot of the Tree of Life from the Jewish Kaballah; no analogy, their names are just used straight-up. Whereas in Dante's stories souls ascend to heaven insofar they 'love' God, Sparks ascend insofar they can share their self with the world around them, become part of the whole. Of course, Megatron misses the point by, instead of seeing how all of existence pulse in the same rhythm, he is of the opinion that all of existence pulses in HIS rhythm.

===Trivia===
* Jet drones are made of a polytitanium alloy and can travel at Mach six.

[[Category:Beast Machines media]]
[[Category:Text stories]]

Talk:Bonecrusher (Armada)

2020-06-27T06:37:45Z

Bag of Magic Food: Checked what this piece was supposed to look like

== Misassembly? ==

So I noticed on my Bonecrusher figure has a left crotch piece on his right side making the crotch look asymmetrical. Was this a common thing on Bonecrusher figures and its redecos? --[[User:Wildstreak|Wildstreak]] ([[User talk:Wildstreak|talk]]) 13:29, 29 March 2020 (EDT)

Well, I have [[Scattor (Armada)#Toys|Scattor]], and his crotch is fine. (That is the weirdest sentence I have ever typed.)--[[User:CyclonustheWarrior|CyclonustheWarrior]] ([[User talk:CyclonustheWarrior|talk]]) 14:11, 29 March 2020 (EDT)
:Well I have the Thunderblast figure and his crotch is fine. I also noticed that the ''Bomb Ultimate Edition'' picture here is as asymmetrical in the same way mine is. Maybe it is just Bonecrusher that has this issue? --[[User:Wildstreak|Wildstreak]] ([[User talk:Wildstreak|talk]]) 16:05, 29 March 2020 (EDT)
::It looks like the [[:File:Bonecrusher armada toy.jpg]] might be displaying this same issue? Comparing it to [[:File:Arm-toy BonecrusherUltimate.jpg]], the Ultimate one has divots above both legs instead of just the right leg. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 23:04, 29 March 2020 (EDT)
:::According to all other pictures of this toy sculpt I could find, it's the bulge in the center that's meant to be symmetrical, not the divots. Additionally, the rear sports a single raised rectangle on the right "buttock"... which is what the Bomb Ultimate Edition in our current photo has in place of the other half of the bulge, so I can only conclude that it's got two of the same pelvis half joined to itself and therefore is the misassembly. [[User:Bag of Magic Food|Bag of Magic Food]] ([[User talk:Bag of Magic Food|talk]]) 02:37, 27 June 2020 (EDT)

Metamorphosis (Armada)

2020-06-23T21:17:11Z

Bag of Magic Food: /* Differences with Micron Legend */ This difference seemed to have been written completely backwards from what I observed in the two versions.

{{disambig2|the episode of ''Armada''|the ''Cloud'' story|Metamorphosis (Cloud)}}

{{episode|
|series=Armada
|ep=2
|prev=First Encounter
|next=Base
|title="Metamorphosis"
|furigana=へんしん
|japanese=擬態
|romaji=Henshin
|translation=Mimicry: Metamorphosis
|image=Metamorphcontact.JPG
|caption=Grindor phone home
|production code=TF: A-02
|production company=[[TV Tokyo]], [[Nihon Ad Systems|NAS]]
|writer=[[Ryō Motohira]]
|director=[[Takashi Sano]]
|animation studio=[[Actas Inc.]]
|airdate=[[August 23]], [[2002]] (English) [[January 17|17 January]] [[2003]] (Japanese)
|continuity=[[Unicron Trilogy]]
}}

'''Pursued by the Decepticons, Rad, Carlos, and Alexis find they have allies in the form of Optimus Prime and his Autobots.'''

==Synopsis==
[[File:Metamorphdeceps.JPG|left|155px|thumb|"Hello, you brats! Welcome to first contact!" "Aw, but I liked "Generations" more..."]]

[[Billy (Armada)|Billy]] and [[Fred (Armada)|Fred]] find that a cave-in has trapped them both underground. Above ground, the fight between [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Megatron]] continues. [[Rad White|Rad]], [[Carlos Lopez|Carlos]] and [[Alexis Thi Dang|Alexis]] attempt to flee with their new [[Mini-Con]] friend, only to be cut off by two new robots teleporting in: [[Starscream (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Starscream]] and [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]]. As Demolishor reaches for Rad and Carlos, two more robots appear and the youngsters find themselves surrounded. Alexis begins to lead her friends away, but Starscream spots [[High Wire (Armada)|High Wire]] and moves to grab the Mini-Con. He's blocked by [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]], however, and the pair grapple.

Alexis has enough time to spy the Autobot sigil on Hot Shot's shoulder before Rad announces they're heading for the caves. Before Demolishor can make a move to stop them, he's tackled by [[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] and pummeled repeatedly, so that his optical sensor is damaged. Megatron scornfully calls him "a weakling", but a moment later he is knocked down to the ground by Optimus Prime. Optimus demands that they surrender, but Megatron suddenly disappears, promising that he will return again. The other two Decepticons quickly retreat via teleport, leaving three surprised Autobots. Optimus tells his troops they have to stop Megatron getting hold of the Mini-Cons. Hot Shot points out the Decepticons are using short-[[warp drive|warp]] equipment and must have a base nearby, which leads Red Alert to suspect they're based on the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]].

[[File:Metamorphdeceps2.JPG|155px|thumb|"I wasn't sleeping! I was just, errr... resting my eyes! Yeah, that's it."]]

The Decepticons are indeed using the crashed Mini-Con spaceship as a base. The three Decepticons arrive there, waking [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]] who is taking a nap in a hallway. The latter immediately begins fawning over Megatron and is ignored. His inquiry over whether they found the Mini-Cons is met with glares, and Starscream suggests he could be put in charge of finding them. Megatron agrees but makes clear the price of failure.

Back in the caves, Rad thinks they're safe, but Alexis is sure the giant robots will come after them, or, more specifically, High Wire. None of the kids can understand High Wire's speech but they follow the Mini-Con into another chamber and a door slowly slides closed behind them. Rad and Carlos assure Alexis this is a good thing. The lights come up and the trio realise they're standing on the threshold of a spaceship. Rad is able to access the ship's computer, letting the kids learn about Megatron and Optimus Prime. Alexis recognises the Autobot symbol from earlier.

Up on the Moon, Megatron stands outside the ship musing over how he will find the Mini-Cons and spies a glint of light on the Moon's surface.

High Wire goes nuts, much to the confusion of the three children. He opens a wall panel, revealing two [[Mini-Con storage panel]]s which Alexis and Carlos activate. The panels reveal an [[Sureshock (Armada)|orange she-Mini-Con]] and a [[Grindor (Armada)|blue Mini-Con]], who pair up with Alexis and Carlos respectively.

[[File:Metamorphleader1.JPG|left|155px|thumb|Twinkle, twinkle, little star!]]
On the Moon, Megatron has found another storage panel, which he activates to reveal his old Mini-Con [[Leader-1 (Armada)|Leader-1]]. Megatron is filled with evil glee.

Fred and Billy finally manage to pull themselves out of the cave, only to panic at the sight of a giant footprint. Underground, Carlos and Alexis let the Mini-Cons scan their skateboard and scooter for alternate modes.

Back on the Moon, Megatron demands to know why Cyclonus was unable to detect a Mini-Con right under his nose. Cyclonus can offer no excuse, and Starscream's chuckle only enrages the Decepticon leader further. Megatron tells them to witness the power of his Mini-Con, prompting Leader-1 to show his fire power. The two Decepticons are frightened and astonished. Demolishor arrives to report with the news that two more Mini-Cons have been activated on Earth. Megatron puts Cyclonus in charge of the recovery team and gives his troops new [[Alternate mode|alt-modes]] based on Earth vehicles. Starscream transforms into a supersonic jet-fighter, Demolishor can become a self-propelled gun, Cyclonus looks like a military helicopter, and Megatron himself transforms into a tank. They leave for Earth again.

Meanwhile, the three kids have a good time with their Mini-friends. They race on the Mini-Cons through a forest, across water and up a cliff. But there they run unexpectedly right into Megatron and his troops. They try to run away but the Decepticons surround them, as does Megatron's triumphant laughter. It seems to Rad that it's all over for them... until Megatron is rammed into a rock wall by a large red-and-blue truck. Cyclonus and Starscream are so astonished that they simply remain poised in mid-air instead of doing anything. The truck pulls up by the three kids and asks them to get in; Alexis recognises the Autobot symbol on its side and jumps right in. Rad and Carlos are more hesitant, until Demolishor looms up behind them. The Decepticon attempts to stop the truck leaving and gets shot repeatedly in the face, then run over. Attempting to pursue, he's promptly rammed by a yellow sports car.

[[File:Metamorphsuperop.JPG|155px|thumb|"Do you feel your knees trembling? No? You '''will'''."]]
Safely out of danger, the truck lets them out and transforms into robot mode — it's Optimus Prime, naturally. Likewise Hot Shot and Red Alert appear in car mode and transform into robots. The kids observe the oncoming Decepticon forces, and Optimus combines with his trailer into super mode. Rad reflects that the Autobots might need his help while they're on Earth. The Autobots and Decepticons prepare to do battle.
{{--}}

==Featured characters==
({{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] (4)
*[[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] (11)
*[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] (12)

|c2=
*[[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Megatron]] (3)
*[[Starscream (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Starscream]] (9)
*[[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]] (10)
*[[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]] (13)

|c3=
*[[Billy (Armada)|Billy]] (1)
*[[Fred (Armada)|Fred]] (2)
*[[Rad White]] (5)
*[[Carlos Lopez]] (6)
*[[Alexis Thi Dang|Alexis]] (7)
*Truck driver (17)

|h4=[[Mini-Con]]s|c4=
*[[High Wire (Armada)|High Wire]] (8)
*[[Sureshock (Armada)|Sureshock]] (14)
*[[Grindor (Armada)|Grindor]] (15)
*[[Leader-1 (Armada)|Leader-1]] (16)
}}

==Quotes==
"What a weakling."

:—'''Megatron''' is not impressed at Demolishor being taken down by Red Alert.

'''Hot Shot:''' They're using short-warp equipment, so they must have a base set up somewhere near here. 
'''Red Alert:''' ''(looking at the moon)'' They're up there.

:—200,000 miles is "near"?

"You had better not. If you do, I'll have you dismantled for scrap, then I'll launch what's left of you straight into the sun, understand?"

:—'''Megatron''' on what will happen if Cyclonus fails.

"So he really is from outer space! I bet he came from some distant galaxy a long time ago, to escape those big robots. Maybe they use small robots like him to increase their power or something. His ship must have crash landed on Earth and now they've tracked him down." 
"Wow, you think so?" 
"That's the only reason I can think of why those big robots would come after him."

:—'''Rad''' comes up with the most far-fetched, unbelievable explanation ever. '''Alexis''' is impressed.

"Hey, guess what? He understands me! He does, he really does!" 
"Are you sure? This one's not reacting to anything I say. Aw, his batteries must be low. Maybe he needs to be recharged or something."

:—'''Alexis''' and '''Carlos''' on meeting their Mini-Cons.

"Shut your mouth, you worthless piece of junk!"

:—'''Megatron''' on Cyclonus' failure.

"Megatron! Uh... sir? What happened in here?"

:—'''Demolishor''' is surprised at Leader-1's redecorating.

==Notes==
===Differences with ''Micron Legend''===
* ''Armada'' has Red Alert express concern for Optimus Prime after the fight, but as is so often the case with Autobots in Japanese fiction, they're all business in ''Micron Legend'', where Prime goes straight to talking about short-range warp equipment. The brief extension made to the conversation in ''Armada'' means that Hot Shot is given this line in the English version.
* In ''Armada'', Red Alert immediately twigs that the Decepticons have their base on the moon, whereas our heroes have no idea where they've gone in ''Micron Legend''. This is, of course, a huge continuity error going forward, since their lack of knowledge about the location of the villains' base factors into the plot on a few occasions.
* The discussion the Decepticons have in the Mini-Con ship is entirely different across the two versions of the show. In ''Armada'', Megatron wants to know if Starscream has had any luck finding Mini-Cons by scanning the planet, and Starscream suggests Cyclonus would do a better job, prompting the crazy 'copter to reluctantly take up the task. In ''Micron Legend'', on the other hand, the exchange is about how Cyclonus went to sleep instead of searching the ship for any Mini-Cons, this task having been the reason he didn't accompany the others to Earth. Megatron tells him to get back to work, but is ''far'' less threatening about it than in ''Armada'', since the Autobots don't know about the ship yet and they can afford to take their time.
* Once they have taken cover in the caves, the kids worry about the Transformers coming after them in ''Armada'', but are hoping their parents will come find them in ''Micron Legend''. Moments later, rather than ask High Wire if the Transformers are after him as she does in ''Armada'', Alexis inquires if "Mini-Con" is his real name.
*As we saw in the previous episode, Rad is consistently able to translate all of High Wire's beeping and booping in ''Micron Legend'', while in ''Armada'', as will be anything ''but'' consistent, he cannot. As such, a lot of the dialogue that was originally him speaking for High Wire—like the Mini-Cons' history and who and what the Autobots and Decepticons are—is replaced with him guessing, deducing things on his own (and making massive leaps of logic in the process), reading from another source, or just outright filler babble.
*This extends to the other kids, too. In ''Micron Legend'', Alexis expresses her amazement at being able to understand Sureshock, but in ''Armada'', she's amazed at ''Sureshock's'' ability to understand ''her''. Carlos, meanwhile, complains that Grindor is ''not'' reacting to him in ''Armada'', while in ''Micron Legend'', he repeats for the others what Grindor has just told him: that the Mini-Cons have been waiting four million years for the kids to arrive. This enigmatic comment will be properly explained near the end of the series.
*In ''Armada'', Megatron explicitly recognizes Leader-1 when he emerges from his panel, saying that he used to be his partner in the past. It's less clear in ''Micron Legend''; he seems to recognize the Mini-Con, but later episodes will imply the Decepticons also just make up names for the Mini-Cons when they free them, too. The later episode "[[Prehistory]]," however, would confirm that Leader-1 was indeed partners with Megatron in the past, and that that wasn't an ''Armada'' dub-ism.
*And while we're talking about Megatron: As he looks up at the Earth, he's not vowing to find the Mini-Cons in ''Micron Legend''; he's just cursing Optimus Prime for going to Earth. ''Armada'' Megatron is really quite calm and collected.
*While the kids merely whoop about how awesome their Mini-Cons are in ''Armada'', in ''Micron Legend'', Alexis expresses distress over Sureshock's alternate mode (presumably referencing the fact she has transformed into a moped, rather than the razor scooter she scanned). Rad and Carlos blame both her age and her being asleep for so long.
*''Armada'' omits a part of Megatron's tirade against Cyclonus: the fact that Cyclonus must refer to Leader-1 with the Japanese suffix "sama", to show respect for his leader's Mini-Con. As well as groveling, Cyclonus also asks what did Leader-1 say, and Megatron quietly replies that he doesn't actually ''know'' yet.
*''Armada'' adds a couple of lines to the otherwise silent scene in ''Micron Legend'' where Optimus scans the semi truck that will become his vehicle form.

===Animation and technical errors===
* When Megatron threatens Cyclonus with what will happen should he fail his task, Megatron's mouth stays shut the entire time he is speaking.
* After being threatened by Megatron, Cyclonus' hand changes color from its normal dark gray to the same yellow as his forearms and hips.
* Megatron's first on-screen transformation includes different animation hiccups. The animation of his arms folding into his shoulders is layered incorrectly, as the arms appear to fold on top of his shoulders rather than inside of them. As his animation model then moves his upper half outside the camera, his lower body is placed too low in the frame, showing that it's really not attached to anything. Lastly, when his legs fold up, his crotch disappears for one frame.
* Optimus' face plate is briefly miscolored yellow in during his Super Mode [[Stock footage|transformation sequence]].

===Real-world references===
* Leader-1 is named after [[Leader-1 (GoBots)|Leader-1]], leader of the [[Guardian (GoBots)|Guardians]] from the [[GoBots|''GoBots'' cartoon and toyline]].

===Trivia===
*The kanji 擬態 would normally be pronounced as "''gitai''", while "''henshin''" is the kanji 変身.
*When Starscream first appears, he is shown to use an ability akin to a heat vision to detect Mini-Con amongst humans on the battlefield, accompanied with retracting eyelids. An ability like this is never showcased again for rest of the series after he obtains his new Earth alt-mode.
*Pre-Earth mode Optimus is standing on a ledge above as a truck passes below. When he's finished scanning, the truck passes by, and we see Optimus again, already in his truck altmode. [[Transformers (film)|You will see this again.]]
*Alexis refers to the female Sureshock as male. Then again, she gives no indication of understanding anything Sureshock says either, so it's not surprising she has no indication...
*This is the last time Mini-Cons are seen awakening in their Cybertronian forms and scanning Earth-based alternate modes, as in the future episode the ones that transform into minimized Earth vehicles have those modes applied as soon as they're awakened.
*In a true anime-like fashion, Demolisher's eye [[Humanization#Crying|tears up]] a little bit as he struggles to hold back truck mode Optimus.

===Foreign localization===
'''German'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Transformation!'''" ("Transformation!")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[December 2|2 December]] [[2003]]

'''Hungarian'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Átalakulás'''" ("Transformation")

'''Polish'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Przemiana'''" ("Metamorphosis")

'''Portuguese'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Metamorfose'''" ("Metamorphosis")

'''French'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Métamorphoses'''" ("Metamorphoses")

'''Korean'''
:*''Title:'' "'''변신하는 초로봇 생명체'''" ("Transforming First Robots Living Beings")

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;DVD
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2003 — ''Transformers: Micron Legend'' — Volume 1 ([[Columbia Music Entertainment]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2003 — ''Transformers: Armada'' — Vol:01 ([[Universal]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2004 — ''Transformers: Armada'' — Best Battles ([[Rhino Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2004 — ''Transformers: Armada'' — Season One: Part One (Rhino Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2005 — ''Transformers: Armada'' — Triple Collection (Universal) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2008 — ''Transformers: Armada'' — Bumper Double DVD Collection (Universal) 
[[File:Flag of Germany.png|20px|Germany]] 2008 — ''Transformers: Armada'' — Volume One ([[New KSM]]) — English and German audio. 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2014 — ''Transformers: Armada'' — The Complete Series ([[Shout! Factory]])

[[Category:Armada episodes]]

McMath Maximum Security Correctional Facility

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Bag of Magic Food: "Washington" should not go to the disambiguation page

[[File:GIJoevsTFII 4 McMath.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Turns out math actually IS good for something!]]

'''McMath Maximum Security Correctional Facility''' in [[Spokane]], [[Washington (state)|Washington]] is a place where terrorists such as members of [[Cobra]] may be imprisoned.

==Fiction==
===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
Following [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] and Cobra's [[time travel]] adventures on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], [[Doctor Mindbender]] of Cobra was captured by the Joes and imprisoned at McMath's. Three months later, however, two men from [[Cobra-La]] posing as agents of the [[NSA|National Security Agency]] had him released so that they could make use of his skills. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 4}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Mcmath Maximum Security Correctional Facility}}
[[Category:Generation 1 locations]]
[[Category:Pacific Northwest]]
[[Category:Penal institutions]]

Lost and Found (issue)

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Bag of Magic Food: Fixed a Wikipedia link and some character numbering

{{disambig3|Lost and Found}}
{{comicstory|seriesissue=[[Transformers: Generation 1 (Dreamwave)|''Transformers: Generation One'']] #9
|prev=Extermination
|next=The Route of All Evil
|title="Lost and Found"
|image=G1 Vol.3 Issue9 1.jpg
|caption=[[The New Order|Are all dead?]] No. Stop asking.
|publisher=[[Dreamwave Productions]]
|date=[[November 10]], [[2004]]
|coverdate=October 2004
|story=[[James McDonough]] and [[Adam Patyk]]
|pencils=[[Don Figueroa]]
|inks=[[Elaine To]]
|colors=[[Espen Grundetjern]]
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|continuity=[[Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Dreamwave continuity]]
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'''Jazz says goodbye to the EDC. Spike and Bumblebee fight urban crime. Oh, and Megatron's back.'''

==Synopsis==
Hidden within the [[Wastelands]] of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] and [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] consider having some fun by using the guns to destroy a wandering derelict they've picked up on the scanners. [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] stops the two goons from taking actions that would jeopardize his long-term planning. The two [[Triple Changer]]s go outside to personally identify the [[Empty]], but as soon as Blitzwing recognizes it as one of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s [[Air Warrior|old seeker drones]], it seizes Blitzwing's face. Astrotrain blasts the drone's head off, and Blitzwing slices the drone in half. As the two return to their base, victorious, they're ambushed by [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]]!

Inside the base, Shockwave becomes frustrated with a string of mechanical problems, when he, too is ambushed.

On an [[Earth]] simulation, [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] relaxes by destroying some [[Decepticon]] practice targets. His training then takes him into confrontation with [[Kup (G1)|Kup]], who forces Hot Rod into a lake using only rocks and physical contact. But Hot Rod wins the holographic training exercise by using his back-up firearm to cause a tree to collapse on Kup. The two debate if Hot Rod's victory could be considered legitimate, when Kup reveals that [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] is the real winner—hanging out with [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]].

Springer (on his hot date with Arcee at landing platform A) watches [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]]'s team take off to return to Earth. Arcee feels irrelevant, staying behind on Cybertron while the other warriors return to protect Earth, but Springer reminds Arcee how valuable she is to her friends.

Aboard the shuttle, Prowl reminds [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] how important Huffer is to the crew of the new mission, and together they say goodbye to Cybertron again.

On [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintessa]], the [[Quintesson]]s plot an internal assault against the [[Autobot]]s. They also seem to have a fascination with Hot Rod, who has an affinity with [[Matrix of Leadership|the object]], and the Quintessons plan to get at Hot Rod using… Arcee?

At the [[Earth Defense Command|EDC]] base in [[Area 51]], [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] says goodbye to an Autobot-hungry [[Marissa Faireborn]]. Before she can get further with her crush, [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] and the ''[[Orion]]'' arrive to retrieve the repaired Autobots, leaving Marissa without any love.

Living on the roads in [[Cincinnati]], [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] drive around a bad part of town, pouring out their emotions to each other—the sight of a man yelling at his own car drawing some strange looks from the ladies. Seconds later, a call for help prompts Spike to rush to save the same lady from a mugger. When the mugger takes out a gun, Spike is saved by his giant robot friend.

Back on Cybertron, Shockwave stands literally disarmed by Megatron. Megatron explains how being abandoned in space led to him revitalizing his hunger for conquest, as the drones attach a containment device onto Shockwave's stump. Shockwave is re-introduced to the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]]—and the fact that his crew (with the exception of Blitzwing) have joined Megatron. With an army at his ready, Megatron announces the goal of his conquest: Earth!

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*[[Gears (G1)|Gears]] (13)
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*[[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]] (5)
*[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (6)
*[[Tantrum (G1)|Tantrum]] (30)
*[[Divebomb (G1)|Divebomb]] (31)
*[[Rampage (G1)|Rampage]] (32)
*[[Headstrong (G1)|Headstrong]] (33)
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==Quotes==
"It doesn't really count as a victory lad, if you ain't around to celebrate, ''does it'' lad?"
:—'''Kup'''

"Spare me the '''melodrama''', Shockwave-- it doesn't '''suit''' you. The old Megatron may have disposed of you for petty revenge… but your treachery and my struggle to return have taught me to temper such unbridled emotion. You are currently too '''valuable''' for me to carelessly dispose of…"
:—'''Megatron'''

"Foolish Shockwave, not only did I '''locate''' them, I also '''improved''' them. Isn't that usually '''your''' area of expertise?"
:—'''Megatron'''

==Notes==
===Artwork and technical errors===
*One of the narrative captions references ''[[Unreleased Dreamwave issues|TF Datatracks 2004]]'', which was never produced. This might have been a reference to the [[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|''More than Meets the Eye'' guidebook]], but that was referenced on… the next panel?
*Hey, this time one of Marissa's speech bubbles is entirely missing its white fill. How weird is that? And later Spike and his new friend suffer from translucent speech bubbles. Must be the drinking watch.

===Continuity notes===
*Megatron recruited Razorclaw and the Predacons in the story, "[[Welcome to the Jungle]]" in the ''[[20th Anniversary Transformers Summer Special]]''.
*The Quintessons having some connection to Arcee—who presumably appeared sometime between ''[[Transformers: Micromasters|Micromasters]]'' and ''[[War and Peace]]''—mixes with the fact that [[Female Transformer]]s were seen on [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintessa]] in [[Generation 1 issue 0|issue #0]].
*[[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]] joined the military? Could that be a plot element later?
*Astrotrain and Blitzwing's dialog here suggests that Shockwave has created a new multi-changing Transformer. [[Sixshot|Hmmmm....]]
*On one of the monitors in Megatron's base, [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]]'s ship is visible, explaining how he was able to get from planet to planet.

===Transformers references===
* The Autobot ship is based on ''Zone'' [[Sonic Bomber]].

===Production notes===
*On the "Prime Transmissions" page, reader mail is answered by writers [[James McDonough]] and [[Adam Patyk]].
*The "[[Wavelengths]]" page contains an article from the desk of [[Pat Lee|Pat "Psycho" Lee]].

===Real-life references===
*Spike's shirt has the name "[[Voltes V]]" on it. Apparently, he's a fan of ''{{w|Chōdenji Machine Voltes V}}''.
*One of the putative muggers calls Spike "[[Charlie Bronson]]". Gary Oldman's character Drexl Spivey uses this name as a synonym for "tough guy" in the [[1993]] movie ''{{w|True Romance}}'', in a reference to the action movie star {{w|Charles Bronson}}.

===Advertisements===
*[[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|''More Than Meets the Eye'' collection, volume two]]
*''{{w|G-Force: Guardians of Space|G-Force}}'' and ''{{w|Battle of the Planets}}'' DVDs
*[[Transformers: Energon (cartoon)|''Transformers: Energon'']] DVDs
*[[Multiplicity, Pt. 4|Energon'' #29'']]
*''[[Transformers: War Within: The Age of Wrath|The War Within: The Age of Wrath]]''
*[[Unreleased Dreamwave issues|''Transformers/G.I. Joe: Divided Front'' #2]], which was never released
*[[Unreleased Dreamwave issues|''Beast Wars'']] comic series, which was never released
*Dreamwave pocket digests

===Reprints===
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Talk:Pat Lee

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Bag of Magic Food: /* Patimus Prime */

Kudos on the disambiguation gag. :D --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 00:46, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

it says he's a Canadian artists, wouldn't the slang abbreviation "Can artist" be more effective? btw that quote was found by me I am great--[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 02:37, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I missed that business. What's the full story with Alex Milne? --[[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 02:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

:[http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/index.cgi?column=litg&article=2581] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
::Hey, shouldn't we have this LITG article "External links"ed from both Pat & Alex's pages? -- M Sipher

At TFcon 2007, Alex vented his heavy distaste for Pat Lee, even so much so that if they ever met again..... he then trailed off at that point (it was during the artist panel), not a happy camper thanks to the "SUPASTAR!" [[User:ProtomanXRED|ProtomanXRED]]
==Cartoon before toys?==

Can anyone confirm the "He believes that the Transformers cartoon was so amazing that it was only a matter of time before the toys were made" line? It was added by an anonymous user, so I'm tempted to delete it, but I ''want'' it to be true. So... reference? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:01, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
:I... want to say it was a pre-DW-gets-the-license interview. We should most ''definitely'' source it on this page once we track it down. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:36, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
::There's discussion of it on ATT from March 2001, but not an actual link to the interview. Definitely makes reference to the "cartoons first, matter-of-time" quote. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/search?group=alt.toys.transformers&q=Pat+Lee+matter+of+time+toys --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 20:41, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Which really shows the reason why Dreamwave continuity was as animation-centric as it was.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 20:45, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

== "serfdom" ==

I've seen on a few pages when Pat Lee is mentionned the term "serfdom" is inserted... what does it mean, exactly? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:53, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
:In this context, his notion that people should keep working for him merely on the ''promise'' that someday he'll pay them. Maybe.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 19:55, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

== Kudos ==

1000% more informative now, Nevermore. Damned good job.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 20:11, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
:Hell, I'd nominate this for a featured article now. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:56, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

==Pictures==
I think we need more pictures in this article, if only to break up the text abit. How about funny photos of Lee or particularly shoddy Transformers art (assuming he drew it)? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm, maybe a few of Transformers with the gigantic feet? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 14:49, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
::I added in the extremely short-bus robot that was his design for the [[Fallen]] before Wildman cleaned it up.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:09, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
:I think the number of images is okay right now... I wouldn't want to see more than 2-3 put in at this point. It would start getting cluttered. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:10, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

==Andy Wildman==
What's the source for the altering of his art? We've, like, seen his pencils. They don't look any different. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:49, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
: I think he meant that Wildman made the Fallen look better than Lee's original concept. I can agree with that statement. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 17:14, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
::Yes, but Walky is instead asking about the allegation that the inkers changed Wildman's art in The Dark Ages.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:16, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
::: would this be an appropriate reference? [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/archive/index.php/t-108053.html] --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 17:26, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
:::: I don't see anything that makes a good case. There's some questions asked that state the alteration as a given, and when Matt Moylan is pressed about it, he doesn't recall such a thing. I think this is just a run-away rumor based on Wildman choosing to draw his TF hands like Figueroa's. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:46, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
::::: Had to remove the reference again. The interview linked said that Andrew Wildman was surprised at how "dark" the "finishing" was, but he's just talking about the coloring work. The scans of his pencils are hard to find these days, so it's not as easy to support my statements from two years ago, but his pencils were unaltered. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:01, 25 April 2009 (EDT)
::::: I should add that the source of this rumor came from people startled at how Wildman's art looked, not realizing his art just looks like that when it's not inked by Baskerville. All his subsequent Transformers pencilwork looks basically just like his Dark Ages work. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:04, 25 April 2009 (EDT)

==Quotable==
Okay, I don't know if it was a mistake or a joke, but the "they much oftener succeed thrugh failures" quote isn't actually Pat Lee's originally. A google search turned up several attributions to Samuel Smiles. --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] 22:21, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

==Recent activities section?==
In light of recent pictures of Lee drawing on somebody's apartment wall, should we do some kind of 'Pat Lee's recent activities' section? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:53, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:I'd say not. It's fan-art. Why do we need to mention it? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 05:28, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
::Because it's funny? Besides, in presenting the case against Pat Lee, we make do mention of things that happened after he was done with Tranformers. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:39, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

==Wikipedia trolling==
We have two sections mentioning his wikipedia trolling (or somebody doing it for him. Which one should we keep? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:19, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

== New sources ==

I just thought it might be interesting to rework this article, considering the number of new sources that have popped up in regards to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pat_Lee&diff=prev&oldid=215782387 "NPOV"] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pat_Lee#Cleaned_up B.S.] going on over at Wikipedia. We've got sources from Don, Guido, Milne, Patyk, Raiz... I think we should put em to good use on Pat's article and on Dreamwave's as well. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:32, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:I'd certainly support this. We are an appropriate venue, and the tone of the article already shows we're not pulling any punches.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::As the person who dug up those sources for the Wikipedia article, now seeing them all dismissed as "unreliable", I'm totally in favor of this notion. I'm willing to help out in any way I can.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 00:25, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Always funny that Wikipedia can wax loquacious on, say, ''Naruto'' but anything even remotely controversial gets neutered down to the stub level.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::::90% of the articles on Wikipedia falls into one of two categories: a) Unmoderated ones that are horribly long and contain laods of false bullshit, and b) overmoderated ones that trim down anything to a stub-class article because some all-high-and-mighty admin is on a "THE RRRRULES!" trip.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 00:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::So, updated. As the author of the (now deleted) section at Wikipedia, I gave myself permission to directly copy some of its content into this article. I also added a lot of other shit. Does anyone still have a link to the Adny Wildman pencils for War Within vol. 2?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 11:18, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

== Returning to Canada ==

From Pat's Alivenotdead blog:
{{quote|I will be heading back to Toronto middle of next month to hang out with family }}
Which authorities should be notified? And any idea how to notify them? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:51, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

:Given its ''Canada'', there are only the Mounties. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:23, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:Notify of ''what''? That a citizen of their country is returning from Hong Kong?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 17:44, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::Something about creditors who're owed money, I think.... -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 18:02, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Have those creators taken legal action against Pat Lee? Is there currently an arrest warrant on his name?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 18:06, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::::No idea. This is entirely someone-said-that-someone-said, far as I know. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 18:17, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

== possible source on not paying ==

I seem to recall someone from IDW mentioning that they cannot reprint some Dreamwave issues because the creators were not paid. Does anyone remember something like that, and if so, where from? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:59, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:Of course that'd still be entirely unsuitable for Wikipedia unless a newspaper were to report that IDW did indeed say this at a convention or a messgae board, and even then out would be the evil conglomerative Dreamwave (with Roger Lee sharing the blame) responsible, not Pat himself.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 23:25, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

== "Pat Lee once set a hill on fire"? ==

I followed the link, but I still don't get it. Was something removed? [[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 17:19, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:Evidently. I've never been able to hang around long enough at his old site to try and fix the link, though. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:32, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::[http://www.angelfire.com/pa/infrarred/infrarred4.html Check here], "Most hated memory: When I started a hill on fire."... Yeah. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:55, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

== Another source to take advantage of ==

[http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily/796425.html#cutid1 Despises: Backstabbers]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:43, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
:Despises backstabbers is hilarious, but his parting words are hilariously quote-worthy! --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:41, 13 August 2009 (EDT)

== Latest status ==

Although still linked from his Alive Not Dead and Twitter and whatnot accounts, [http://www.patleeproductions.com/ Pat Lee Productions] appears to be dead. Meanwhile, Pat is now working as a "director" at [http://deepskypictures.net/ DeepSky Pictures].--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 18:43, 13 September 2009 (EDT)

== Aaaand loads of biographical/trivia info: ==

[http://www.alivenotdead.com/patlee/How-to-draw-Transformers-Wizard-Magazine-profile-678562.html] Geez.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 18:52, 13 September 2009 (EDT)
:Yeah, I already yanked a quote from the Pat Lee Sez section of that article. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:54, 13 September 2009 (EDT)
::I recall an interview with - I dunno; Simon? Don? Guido? Joe Ng? Patyk & McDonough? - where Pat nd the other Dreamwave folks were described as heavy smokers. Does anyone know where I can find said interview?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 19:21, 13 September 2009 (EDT)

== Roger selling Pat's artwork on ebay for ridiculous prices ==

Is this noteworthy info? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 10:41, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

==Patimus Prime==
Amazon lists him in paranthesis as a name for Pat Lee. I'm not kidding. If no one finds it, I'll link ya, but I just felt it worth...mentioning. I facepalmed and lol'd a little myself.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
:This was likely referring to [[Prime Directive issue 1]], in which ''every'' person credited was also given a Transformer-ized nickname. [[User:Bag of Magic Food|Bag of Magic Food]] ([[User talk:Bag of Magic Food|talk]]) 16:48, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
:Speaking of nicknames, how about calling his fans "patsies"? [[User:Takeshi357|Takeshi357]] ([[User talk:Takeshi357|talk]]) 16:24, 10 February 2015 (EST)

==Alex's own comments on Pat Lee's Transformers Art==
http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=7556&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=150
"i never touched any of his transformers work, so i think most of you should give it a rest now. if you must comment on how i did a lot of the work for him, then make sure your facts are straight. it was only for the last 3 and half issues of Cyberforce. the only other stuff i worked on of his was MK Spider Man, and a few pages of Superman/Batman. and those were just backgrounds. i never touched anything of his that was transformers.

as for drawing tf's like him, i don't really see it. but if thats what you see who am i to argue that. i personally think i draw straighter bots then him, and i don't draw prime with boobs, but if thats what you see." Nuff said.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

== Explosion Picture ==

I don't quite get how the explosion picture is "Chillingly Prophetic". Could someone please explain?--[[Special:Contributions/24.161.127.166|24.161.127.166]] 20:14, 27 December 2010 (EST)
:I'm guessing it's a reference to the dramatic demise of DreamWave. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:16, 27 December 2010 (EST)
::Or how he has lung cancer. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 20:44, 27 December 2010 (EST)

== Rich Johnston interview ==

Dos that thing really deserve its own section? Especially such a pedantic blow-by-blow coverage? A summary of the main points would be more then sufficient.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 20:53, 29 December 2010 (EST)
: If Nevermore thinks it's too much, then wow! Let's cut this thing down. I mean, I haven't gone to read it myself yet, but I assume this is the worst thing ever. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:18, 29 December 2010 (EST)

== Hasbro ==
I think this page could benefit from some (if any) reactions from Hasbro on the Pat Lee scandal and how it relflected on the Transformers brand? [[User:GelsharkTown|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown|talk]]) 17:12, 5 December 2014 (EST)
:Hasbro rarely responds to controversy, not even concerns about how kid-friendly (or not) the films were. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 19:03, 5 December 2014 (EST)
:: Is there nothing? Nothing at all? Even if it's rare, this could be an exception, right?
::: I see no reason Hasbro would ever talk about this. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 23:57, 5 December 2014 (EST)

== Middle initials ==

I noticed these got removed from the Wikipedia article a few months back, so I had a look to see if I could find a source for them and came up empty. We may have originally gotten the initials from Wikipedia (they were added there in Oct 2006, and added here in Oct 2007). Googling "Patrick C.K. Lee" gives me seemingly unrelated Facebook pages and some comic listing sites, who may well have also copied the initials from Wikipedia. Do we have a reliable source for those initials? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:30, 21 January 2019 (EST)

File:Tow-Line Goes Haywire OptimusBattleMode.jpg

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Bag of Magic Food: Bag of Magic Food uploaded a new version of "File:Tow-Line Goes Haywire OptimusBattleMode.jpg": I redid this screenshot combo to eliminate empty margins, misalignment, and upscaling.

{{RID2001cap|The first shot shows [[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus]] chilling at the Autobot base while in his battle mode. I mean, you gotta flaunt those gains every once in a while?
The second shot shows how he wisely chose to fight in his standard mode.
|Tow-Line Goes Haywire|1}}

Commandos

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Bag of Magic Food: Movor got left off the character list

{{disambig3|Commando}}
{{episode|
|series=RiD
|ep=15
|title="Commandos"
|japanese=5体合体! バルディガス
|romaji=Gotai Gattai! Baldigus
|translation=Quintuple Merge! Baldigus
|image=Decptidam.jpg
|caption="All we need is a pet dog with a racist name and we're sorted!"
|production code=
|production company=[[TV Tokyo]], [[Nihon Ad Systems|NAS]], [[Studio Gallop]]
|written by=[[Yukiyoshi Ōhashi]] (Japanese) [[Marc Handler]] (English)
|director=[[Yoshiaki Tsutsui]]
|animation studio=Studio Gallop
|airdate=[[July 12|12 July]] [[2000]] (Japanese) [[September 24]], [[2001]] (English)
|continuity=
}}

'''New troops prove themselves''' 
'''Decepticons versus dam''' 
'''Four Optimuses?!'''

==Synopsis==
[[Scourge (RID)|Scourge]] and the [[Decepticon]]s demonstrate their firepower to [[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]] by destroying a dam at a remote location. They then plan to attack another one on which people depend. [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]], meanwhile, is angry that the Decepticons are gaining Megatron's interest, and he enlists [[Slapper (RID)|Slapper]], [[Dark Scream]] and [[Gas Skunk]] for his plan to steal the credit for Scourge's next plan by disguising themselves as Autobots.

[[File:Commandos Optimi.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|"No, I'm Optimus!"]]
For their part, the [[Autobot]]s have witnessed the Commandos' assault, and [[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus Prime]] sends patrols to a number of other dams. At the [[Sherman Dam]] near the [[Los Bogus]] desert resort, [[Koji Onishi]] and his friend [[Bridget|Doctor Bridget]] are going on a tour of the dam by themselves. Meanwhile, [[X-Brawn]] is patrolling the dam as well when he encounters Scourge, [[Mega-Octane]], [[Armorhide (RID)|Armorhide]] and [[Rollbar (RID)|Rollbar]]. He engages the Decepticons in battle, only to be thrown by Scourge into the water, where he finds he can't swim to the surface. The [[Predacon (RID)|Predacons]] watch all this from a distance. When the Decepticons start to plant their [[pulsar bomb]]s, Koji alerts Optimus, who sends in [[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn]] and [[Prowl (RID)|Prowl]]. Meanwhile, Sky-Byte orders his disguised Predacons to attack the Decepticon group, who are still planting bombs as they climb up the dam. Scourge goes to deal with this diversion and ends up attacking Side Burn and Prowl, throwing the two into the same water as X-Brawn, where they find themselves similarly stuck. As this occurs, Sky-Byte sends Dark Scream to install a transmitter to take control of the bombs.

[[File:Commandos Megatron.jpg|right|upright=1.1|thumb|''And nothing ever happens ''Nothing happens at all...'']]
While Optimus Prime arrives elsewhere, Megatron broadcasts his threats to Los Bogus, which relies on the dam and includes a casino [[Kelly (RID)|Kelly]] is visiting. Megatron orders Scourge to destroy the dam, but when Scourge obediently trips the detonator, nothing happens, because Sky-Byte has taken control of it. Sky-Byte then says ''he'' will trigger the bombs at Megatron's word, but just as Megatron finishes a three-count for him, Optimus intervenes, and the detonator falls into the water where the Autobot Brothers are waiting. Angered at being made a fool of in front of the humans, Megatron orders Scourge to destroy the dam by any means necessary. Mega-Octane fires at the main bomb, blasting a hole in the dam and causing a blackout in the casino just as Kelly is close to getting a jackpot. While Optimus Prime wrestles with Scourge, the Autobot Brothers slide towards the Commandos and attempt to overturn them. [[Ro-Tor (RID)|Ro-Tor]] and [[Movor]] try to provide air support, only to be blocked by [[Team Bullet Train]].

[[File:Commandos Scourgeoptimus.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Dance off!]]
Sky-Byte and the Predacons hope to take out both parties with some indiscriminate fire, but the plan boomerangs on them when Scourge tries to shoot at the dam, only for Optimus to tackle him. He unwittingly fires at Sky-Byte and company, sending them into the water.

Team Bullet Train decides to combine into [[Rail Racer (RID)|Rail Racer]], but the Commandos counter this by forming [[Ruination (RID)|Ruination]]. They initially pin down the giant Autobot, but the three Autobot Brothers jump into the fray, allowing Rail Racer to blast Ruination into his separate components. Scourge is forced to abort the mission.

The dam is then repaired and power is restored, revealing to Kelly that she didn't win anything. Meanwhile, Megatron is angry with Scourge, while Sky-Byte vows to make Earth his own personal domain.
{{--}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus Prime]] (9)
*[[T-AI]] (10)
*[[X-Brawn]] (16)
*[[Prowl (RID)|Prowl]] (17)
*[[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn]] (18)
*[[Midnight Express (RID)|Midnight Express]] (20)
*[[Rapid Run (RID)|Rapid Run]] (21)
*[[Railspike (RID)|Railspike]] (22)
*[[Rail Racer (RID)|Rail Racer]] (23)

|h2=[[Predacon (RID)|Predacons]]
|c2=
*[[Scourge (RID)|Scourge]] (1)
*[[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]] (2)
*[[Mega-Octane]] (3)
*[[Ro-Tor (RID)|Ro-Tor]] (4)
*[[Armorhide (RID)|Armorhide]] (5)
*[[Rollbar (RID)|Rollbar]] (6)
*[[Movor]] (7)
*[[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]] (8)
*[[Slapper (RID)|Slapper]] (11)
*[[Dark Scream]] (12)
*[[Gas Skunk]] (13)
*[[Ruination (RID)|Ruination]] (24)

|c3=
*[[Koji Onishi]] (14)
*[[Bridget]] (15)
*[[Kelly (RID)|Kelly]] (19)
}}

==Quotes==
"Rollbar is all-terrain terror!"
:—'''Scourge''''s <s>sales pitch</s> introduction for his teammate.

'''Slapper''': "Well, if we're gonna dress up like Autobots, then I'm gonna look like Optimus Prime! Yeah, that's it!" 
'''Gas Skunk''': "No, I'm gonna be Optimus Prime! I'll have a red helmet and a siren..." 
'''Dark Scream''': "I'll be Optimus Prime, I want him!" 
'''Sky-Byte''': "Stop this nonsense! If you had any brains, you'd be dangerous. I, of course, shall be Optimus Prime." 
'''Slapper''': "Well, ain't that just prime."
:—The Predacons seem to have a slight fixation.

"Ha! Hey, I like being a good guy, as long as I can blow things up."
:—'''Slapper''' has a keen sense of priorities.

'''Sky-Byte''': "Silence! I'm Optimus Prime, I told you that!" 
'''Slapper''': "Whoa, check him out. He really went all out." 
'''Gas Skunk''': "We've got four Optimus Primes here." 
'''Dark Scream''': "It's kind of...embarrassing, you know!"
:—The Commandos fell for '''''THIS?!?''''' Who swapped their intelligence?

'''Side Burn''': "We must have some options." 
'''X-Brawn''': "Sure we do! I spy, with my little eye, something beginning with 'F'." 
'''Side Burn''': "Oh, I hate that game. How about we play a round of Old Maid instead, huh?" 
'''Prowl''': "Don't encourage him, X-Brawn. Next thing you know, he'll be down here playing Go Fish!" 
'''Side Burn''': "HA HA HA HA HA!"
:—The Autobot Brothers amuse themselves while stuck at the bottom of the dam.

"Someone will pay for this! They are all going to feel my wrath!" 
"I like that line. 'They are all going to feel my wrath.' Who wrote this script, somebody's fiancée?"
:—'''Megatron''' talks big, and '''Kelly''' gets nasty.

'''Megatron''': "I can't believe I trusted you, Sky-Byte! You made me look like an idiot! It's terrible, people are laughing at me!" 
'''Sky-Byte''': "He came out of nowhere—like lightning! It was Optimus Prime!" 
'''Megatron''': "AAUUUGGHHH, NOT PRIME AGAIN! I CAN'T ''STAND IT''! ....hooo, got this under control. Scourge, you're going to blow up that dam RIGHT NOW, understand? I don't care how. Blast it with your lasers. Burn it with your flamethrowers. RIP it apart with your BARE HANDS. Just MAKE IT GO AWAY!" 
'''Scourge''': "We can do that."
:—Megatron in full diva mode.

"I've been waiting for you, Prime." 
"Then you've been waiting for trouble!"
:—'''Scourge''' and '''Optimus Prime'''

==Notes==
===Differences with ''Car Robots''===
*The opening scene of the episode is carried out in relative silence in ''Car Robots'', but reinterpreted as an [[introdump]] for ''Robots in Disguise'' to re-introduce the Commandos to the audience. Additional footage is added to the scene of Megatron in his throne room, as Scourge reports on their attack on the dam to him and lists off the Commandos names and powers; in ''Car Robots'', his raising his open palm to his face and clenching it into a fist is just a dramatic gesture, while ''Robots in Disguise'' reinterprets this as him talking into a communicator on his wrist as he speaks to Megatron.
*Megatron's goal for this episode is fairly aimless in ''Car Robots'': he merely wishes to "spread terror" with a grand act of villainy—the destruction of Sherman Dam—and the destruction of the dam in the opening scene is presented as a test run for this. In ''Robots in Disguise'', his motives are to force humanity into surrendering to Decepticon rule by destroying major sources of power.
*As Dr. Bridget rattles off Sherman Dam's tech specs, ''Robots in Disguise'' shortens the sequence by cutting out bits of the pan over the dam and fading instead of cutting between the angles.
*Some extra footage is inserted between shots in ''Robots in Disguise'' as Koji calls Optimus, including a shot of a screen in the Autobot base blinking to life and displaying Koji's image, and Prime reacting to his call.
*An extra shot of Slapper opening fire on the Commandos is added as the disguised Predacons attack in ''Robots in Disguise''.
*As Side Burn and Prowl sink into the water, the joke they deliver is much the same in both versions: the stroke Prowl uses is a formal one (a traditional Japanese stroke in ''Car Robots''; taught by the police academy in ''Robots in Disguise''), and Side Burn quips about its lack of effectiveness. Once they hit bottom, though, the humor gets changed up: while ''Robots in Disguise'' has the characters joke about playing games to pass the time, in ''Car Robots'', Side Burn suggests they have themselves rebuilt to be amphibious, prompting Prowl to joke that if they did that, he'd spend his time chasing red submarines.
*''Robots in Disguise'' amps up the tension by adding a commercial break just before Scourge flips the switch for the bombs; as the show returns, some additional footage of Megatron giving the order to flip the switch is added, and the shot of the detonator in Scourge's hand is also repeated and this time shown to conclusion as the switch is thrown.
*Though ''Robots in Disguise'' has already consistently played up Megatron much more theatrically than in ''Car Robots'', his threat to destroy the dam and subsequent embarrassment when the dam doesn't explode (twice) is played ''waaaay'' more over-the-top than usual in the dub, resembling [[w:Lord Zedd|Lord Zedd]] levels of hysteria. Whereas in ''Car Robots'', Megatron's much more subdued demeanor in these scenes is much less exaggerated from his usual bouts of frustration.
[[File:Commandos povs.jpg|thumb|225px]]
*A CGI overlay is added to ''Robots in Disguise'' as Mega-Octane targets the explosives; this one is the same as the standard Predacon overlay we've seen in multiple past episodes, but with a Decepticon insignia instead.
*As he grapples with Prime, ''Robots in Disguise'' has Scourge order Mega-Octane to "get ready to take out the Autobot Brothers", as if he knows the brothers are about to come tumbling through the hole in the dam. In ''Car Robots'', he simply orders Mega-Octane to blow the explosives.
*In ''Robots in Disguise'', Prime instructs the Autobot brothers to "consider themselves a wrecking crew" as a cue to attack. In ''Car Robots'', he gives the rather more specific instruction for the brothers to not let the Decepticons use their weapons; this is reflected in the animation even in ''Robots in Disguise'', as the brothers are clearly shown grappling with their opponents' weapons, throwing their aim off.
*In ''Car Robots'', Sky-Byte's plan is to open fire on the bombs, destroying the dam and washing the Autobots and Decepticons away, leaving him as Megatron's second in command. ''Robots in Disguise'' changes this to him planning to just open fire on the 'Bots and 'Cons directly, wiping them out, and figuring that such a "bold move" will land him in Megatron's good graces.
*Sky-Byte's screaming, flailing retreat is played more for exaggerated humor in ''Car Robots'', as he does it in response to Gas Skunk asking what they're going to do next. ''Robots in Disguise'' changes Gas Skunk's dialogue to have him suggest the Autobots have just heard Sky-Byte insulting them, prompting him to flee in terror.
*''Robots in Disguise'' adds a commercial break after Sky-Byte's crew swims off, editing out a fade between this scene and the next.
*Other scenes extended for ''Robots in Disguise'' include:
**Scourge hailing Megatron's name
**Sky-Byte berating the Predacons for thinking about helping Scourge
**X-Brawn grumbling about his patrol
**Scourge ordering the Decepticons to begin preparations at the dam

===Animation and technical errors===
*At the end of Ruination's combination sequence, his right arm (formed by Movor) is behind him making his thumb clip into his shoulder. All subsequent uses of the sequence have this fixed.

===Continuity errors===
*The Autobot brothers have no trouble swimming in "[[The Hunt for Black Pyramid]]", but in this episode they sink like rocks.

===Coninuity notes===
*The ''[[Megastar]]'' is still resting in the same mountainous desert as it was in [[The Decepticons|last episode]].

===Transformers references===
*Slapper quotes [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]]: "Well, ain't that just Prime."
*[[Sherman Dam]] is named after the dam which appeared in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1]] episode "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 2|More Than Meets the Eye, Part 2]]".

===Real-world references===
[[File:Commandos Kelly and casino patrons.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Also, possibly [[Orson Welles]] back there.]]
*Though ''Robots in Disguise'' identifies the dam as [[Sherman Dam|''Sherman'' Dam]] (and the desert resort it powers as "Los Bogus"), the dam is implied in ''Car Robots'' to instead be [[Hoover Dam|''Hoover'' Dam]], with Los Bogus actually being [[Las Vegas]].
*When Kelly criticises Megatron's speech, she is standing next to a man who bears a striking resemblance to [[Steve Blum|Spike Spiegel]] of ''{{w|Cowboy Bebop}}''
*X-Brawn speaks Spanish on multiple occasions while underwater.

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;DVD
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2000 — ''Transformers: Car Robots'' — Vol. 4 ([[Pony Canyon]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2004 — ''Transformers: Robots in Disguise'' — Three-Disc Box Set: Part 1 of 2 ([[Maximum Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2007 — ''Transformers: Robots in Disguise'' — Season One (Maximum Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2007 — ''Transformers: Robots in Disguise'' — Ultimate Collection (Maximum Entertainment)

==External links==
*[http://www.ridforever.info/episode-transcripts/rid-episode-15-commandos "Commandos" transcript on RIDForever.info]

[[Category:Robots in Disguise (2001) episodes]]

2003

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Bag of Magic Food: Added a manga and a game and moved Games for consistency with other year pages

{{yearofthe|2003}}

The year '''2003''' (MMIII) is the twentieth year of the [[Transformers brand]].

{{see|Transformers timeline}}

==Events==
===Non-Fiction===
* Cadillac introduces the XLR model, [[alternate mode|alt mode]] of [[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]] [[Side Burn (Armada)|Side Burn]], [[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon]] [[Override (Energon)|Override]], [[Redline]] and others, at the [[Detroit]] Motor Show.
* Animation company [[ArtDuck Studios]] founded.
====Deaths====
* [[January 11]] — [[Lillian Evans]]
* [[January 12]] — [[Ulrich Bernsdorff]]
* [[March 28]] — [[Bob Matz]]
* [[May 7]] — [[Kayoko Fuyumori]]
* [[May 14]] — [[Robert Stack]]
* [[November 1]] — [[Toshitaka Shimizu]]
* [[December 8]] — [[Joe Morrison]]

==== Conventions ====
*[[OTFCC 2003]]: [[July 25]]–[[July 27|27]]

*Auto Assembly 2003: August 2
*Cybcon 2003: July 19
*Cybercon Expo I 2003: April 5
*Cybercon Expo Wave 2 2003 : November 1
*Dairycon 3.0 2003: October 18
*TransformersCon 2003: June 22

===Fiction===
====Panini ''Armada'' comics====
* The events of ''[[Transformers: Armada (Panini)|Armada]]'' take place.
* [[December 7]] — [[Quint]] and [[Hathaway]] of the [[Extra-Terrestrial Response Division]] try to sell off the [[Land Military Mini-Con Team]] in a private auction, but the [[Autobot]]s stop them and save the three [[Mini-Con]]s. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 7|Sale of the Century!}}

====IDW movie comics====
* [[Ron Witwicky]] presents his son, [[Sam Witwicky|Sam]], with his ancestor [[Archibald Witwicky|Archibald]]'s personal effects from the latter's arctic voyage. {{Storylink|Movie Prequel issue 3|Movie Prequel #3}}

====''Beast Wars: Uprising''====
* The [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] [[Star Brigade]] is reorganized into the [[Earth Defense Command]]. {{storylink|Micro-Aggressions}}

== Media ==
=== Television ===
* ''[[Transformers: Armada (cartoon)|Transformers: Armada]]'' episodes 17–52
* ''[[Transformers: Armada (cartoon)|Super Robot Lifeform: Micron Densetsu]]'' episodes 1–52

=== Music ===
==== Albums ====
* ''[[The Transformers Legends of the Microns: Sound of Evolution Vol. 1|The Transformers: Legends of the Microns — Sound of Evolution: Vol. 1]]''
* ''[[The Transformers Legends of the Microns: Sound of Evolution Vol. 2|The Transformers: Legends of the Microns — Sound of Evolution: Vol. 2]]''
* ''[[Transformers Theme Song Collection|Transformers — Theme Song Collection]]''

==== Singles ====
* "[[Transformer: Dream Again|TRANSFORMER -Dream Again-]]" / "[[Mune Ippai no...]]"
* "[[Transformer: Dream Again|TRANSFORMER -Dream Again-]]" / "[[Never Ending Road]]"
* "[[Transformers: Kōtetsu no Yūki|Transformers ~Kōtetsu no Yūki~]]" / "[[Don't Give Up!!]]"

==Print==
===Comics===
==== [[3H Productions]] ====
* ''[[Transformers: Universe (comic)|Transformers: Universe]]'' [[Abduction|#1]]

==== [[Devil's Due Press]]====
* ''[[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers]]'' (issues 1–5, 5 issues)

==== [[Dreamwave Productions]] ====
* ''[[Transformers: The War Within|The War Within]]'' (issues 4–6, 6 issues)
* ''[[Transformers: Armada (Dreamwave)|Armada]]'' (issues 7–18, 18 issues)
* [[War and Peace|''Transformers: Generation 1'' vol. 2: War and Peace]] (issues 1–6, 6 issues plus a preview)
* ''[[Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages|War Within: The Dark Ages]]'' (issues 1–3, 6 issues)
* ''[[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More Than Meets The Eye]]'' (issues 1–8, 8 issues)
* ''[[Transformers/G.I. Joe]]'' (issues 1–4, 6 issues)

==== [[Super Robot Magazine]] ====
* ''[[Transformers: The Battle of the Star Gate]]'' (issues 1-4, 4 issues)

=== Books ===
==== [[Bendon Publishing International, Inc.]] ====
* ''[[Cave Catastrophe]]''
* ''[[Race to Disaster]]''

==== [[DK Publishing]] ====
* ''[[Transformers Armada: The Awakening]]''
* ''[[Transformers Armada: The Quest]]''
* ''[[Transformers Armada: Sticker Book]]''

==== [[Egmont Books Ltd.]] (UK)====
* ''[[Transformers Armada - Carry Along Colouring: Colouring Fun]]''

==== [[ibooks]] ====
* ''[[Transformers: Hardwired]]''
* ''[[Transformers: Annihilation]]''

==== [[Image Comics]] ====
* ''[[Genesis: The Art of Transformers]]''

==== [[JIVE Ltd.]] ====
* ''[[Micron Densetsu Year Book 2003|Chō Robot Seimeitai Transformers Micron Densetsu Year Book 2003]]''

==== [[Reader's Digest]] ====
* ''[[Transformers: Armada Official Guidebook]]''
* ''[[Transformers Armada: Race for the Mini-Con Robots]]''
* ''[[Transformers Armada: The Battle Begins]]''
* ''[[Transformers Armada: Enter the Mini-Cons]]''
* ''[[Transformers Armada: Decepticon Attack!]]''
* ''[[Transformers Armada: Secret of the Star Saber]]''

==== [[Red Bird Publishing]] (UK)====
* ''[[Transformers Armada - The Ultimate 3D Combat Files: Space Raiders]]''
* ''[[Transformers Armada - The Ultimate 3D Combat Files: Dark Invaders]]''
* ''[[Transformers Armada - The Ultimate 3D Combat Files: Space Heroes]]''

==Games==
===Console===
* ''[[The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers]]'' (PS2)
* ''[[DreamMix TV World Fighters]]'' (GCN, PS2)

===Online===
* ''[[Transformers Armada: The Energon Within]]''

== Collections ==
=== Video ===
==== [[Columbia Music Entertainment]] (Japan) ====
'''DVD'''
* ''Transformers: Micron Densetsu'' 1
* ''Transformers: Micron Densetsu'' 2
* ''Transformers: Micron Densetsu'' 3
* ''Transformers: Micron Densetsu'' 4
* ''Transformers: Micron Densetsu'' 5
* ''Transformers: Micron Densetsu'' 6
* ''Transformers: Micron Densetsu'' 7
* ''Transformers: Micron Densetsu'' 8
* ''Transformers: Micron Densetsu'' 9

==== [[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer]] (Japan) ====
'''DVD'''
* ''Transformers: Super-God Masterforce'' — DVD BOX 01
* ''Transformers: Super-God Masterforce'' — DVD BOX 02
* ''Transformers: Victory'' — DVD BOX 01
* ''Transformers: Victory'' — DVD BOX 02

==== [[Madman Entertainment]] (AUS) ====
'''DVD'''
* ''Transformers'' — Collection 1: Series 1
* ''Transformers: The Movie''

==== [[Metrodome]] (UK) ====
'''DVD'''
* ''Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 1
* ''Transformers: The Movie''

==== [[Rhino Entertainment]] ====
'''DVD'''
* ''Beast Wars: Transformers'' — The Complete First Season
* ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2
* ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2: Vol. 5
* ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2: Vol. 6
* ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2: Vol. 7
* ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2: Vol. 8
* ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 3 Part 1
* ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 3 Part 1: Vol. 1
* ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 3 Part 1: Vol. 2
* ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 3 Part 1: Vol. 3

==== [[Tiger Electronics]] ====
'''Video Now'''
* ''Transformers: Armada'' 3 Disc Pack

==== [[Universal]] (UK) ====
'''DVD'''
* ''Transformers: Armada'' — Vol:01
* ''Transformers: Armada'' — Vol:02

==== [[Warner Bros.]] (AUS)====
'''DVD'''
* ''Transformers: Armada'' — Vol:02
* ''Transformers: Armada'' — Vol:04
* ''Transformers: Armada'' — Vol:09
* ''Transformers: Armada'' — Vol:10
* ''Transformers: Armada'' — Vol:14

===Comics===
====Dreamwave Productions====
* ''[[Transformers: Armada (Dreamwave)|Transformers: Armada]]'' Volume 1 TPB
* ''[[Transformers: The War Within]]'' TPB
* ''[[Prime Directive|Transformers Generation One, Vol. 1]]'' Hardcover

====[[Titan Books]]====
=====U.S.=====
* ''[[Transformers: Rage in Heaven]]''
* ''[[Transformers: Beginnings (G1)|Transformers: Beginnings]]''
* ''[[Transformers: New Order]]''
* ''[[Transformers: Cybertron Redux]]''
* ''[[Transformers: Showdown]]''

=====UK=====
* ''[[Transformers: Fallen Angel]]''
* ''[[Transformers: Legacy of Unicron]]''
* ''[[Transformers: Space Pirates]]''
* ''[[Transformers: Time Wars]]''
* ''[[Transformers: City of Fear]]''

== Merchandise ==
* ''[[War Within (franchise)|War Within]]''-themed collectible plates with [[Don Figueroa]] artwork
===Takara===
====[[Generation 1 Figure-Collection]]====
*'''C-1''' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Convoy]] (gun)
*'''C-2''' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Convoy]] (pointing)
*'''C-3''' [[Jazz (G1)/toys|Meister]]
*'''C-4''' [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys|Bumble]]
*'''C-5''' [[Grimlock (G1)/toys|Grimlock]]
*'''C-6''' [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys|Rodimus Convoy]]
*'''C-7''' [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys|Ultra Magnus]]
*'''D-1''' [[Megatron (G1)/toys|Megatron]]
*'''D-2''' [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]]
*'''D-3''' [[Soundwave (G1)/toys|Soundwave]]
*'''D-4''' [[Devastator (G1)|Devastor]]
*'''D-5''' [[Galvatron (G1)/toys|Galvatron]]
=====Chase=====
*'''C-1''' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Convoy]] (full color)
*'''D-1''' [[Megatron (G1)/toys|Megatron]] (full color)

== Toys ==
=== Hasbro ===
*TBD
==== OTFCC 2003 Exclusives ====
* [[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys#Universe|Universe Sunstreaker]] (hotel exclusive)
* [[Sideswipe (G1)/toys#Universe|Universe Side Swipe]]
* [[Roulette (Universe)|Roulette]]
* [[Shadow Striker (Universe)|Shadow Striker]]

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[[Category:Fictional events by year]]
[[Category:Real-world events by year]]

Talk:Tasmania Kid (BW)

2020-05-08T08:25:43Z

Bag of Magic Food: /* Alias */

Are we now distinguishing between BW shows? I thought that, by default, we were using BW for beast-era? Or is (BW) jsut the catchall for anything ambiguious that falls witin the beast era?-[[User:71.37.253.98|71.37.253.98]] 10:41, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
:Fixed. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:36, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
:So, no (BWN) and (BWII) then? I saw that Magmatron and Ratorwhatever had been moved to have (BWN), so I changed some disambiguation page links, but if we're just sticking with plain (BW) for II and Neo guys, I'll change those back. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 17:33, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

== Alias ==

"He is also known as Tasmanian Kid." - Where? None of the Fiction sections use this name. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 03:33, 16 September 2018 (EDT)
:[[Transformers: Beast Wars Sourcebook#Divergence from original sources|Beast Wars Sourcebook]] --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 08:23, 16 September 2018 (EDT)
::I did see "TASMANIAN-KID" on Data File-002 of volume 1 of the collected ''Beast Wars II'' manga. Could that have been the original source of the spelling? --[[User:Bag of Magic Food|Bag of Magic Food]] ([[User talk:Bag of Magic Food|talk]]) 04:25, 8 May 2020 (EDT)

Commercial

2020-05-06T01:12:58Z

Bag of Magic Food: /* 2001 */ Caught a use of the Marvel comic

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[[File:Targetmasters.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|And watch the cartoon, too! It's not nearly this pretty, but it gives you time to blink.]]
Despite the existence of comics, cartoons, and other media intended to advertise [[Toy|Transformers toys]], Hasbro has routinely commissioned standard [[television]] '''commercials''' to promote their current toy lines. These commercials typically use a combination of animation and live-action film featuring the characters/toys in question.

During the Generation 1 days, animation used in the commercials consisted largely of newly commissioned pieces that told a story. Since then, nearly all animation featured in ''Transformers'' commercials can be classified as either re-used excerpts from the current cartoon or short animations used to merely introduce the ad. Live-action toy segments have stayed mostly the same, with most US and international ads showing kids (or a pair of hands) transforming the toys. Japanese ads, by contrast, have shown a much larger preference for stop-motion toy segments.

As the goal of any advertising is to influence the viewer into buying the advertised product,''Transformers'' commercials have naturally played a large part in the perception of the [[Transformers brand]]. The narration of [[Victor Caroli]], along with the animation, enabled Generation 1 commercials to create the idea of a Transformers world with many stories to be told. The ''Beast Wars'' ad campaign created a similar feel of a whole world waiting to be explored but this time with organic beasts. This recurring theme of a huge world of stories has captivated many a Transformers fan and is largely responsible for the brand's rabid [[fandom]]. More recently, the massive ad campaigns for the [[live-action film series]] and associated merchandise has kept the Transformers brand in the eye of the public, and made the films feel like the blockbuster events they were intended to be.

==Generation 1==
{{main|Commercial/Generation 1}}

==Generation 2==
{{main|Commercial/Generation 2}}

==Beast Wars==
{{main|Commercial/Beast Wars}}

==Beast Machines==
===1999===
* '''Evolution Revolution sneak peek''' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA&t=7m04s]
: ''Animation:'' [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] and [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] emerging from the light of the [[Oracle (BM)|Oracle]].
: ''Narration:'' [[Jess Harnell]]
: ''Coming this fall...to Fox Kids...Beast Machines. Don't miss an exclusive first look. Today during the premiere of Digimon.''

[[File:Evolution Revolution.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|It's a conversion re-version.]]
* '''[[Evolution Revolution]]''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUH4qfS1xRc]
: ''Animation:'' Excerpts from [[The Reformatting]] and [[Master of the House]].
: ''Narration:'' ''Coming this fall to Fox Kids!'' at the very end by Jess Harnell
: ''It's a transformation revelation! It's Beast Machines.''
:* '''Evolution Revolution''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA&t=9m34s] - An edited down version of the previous ad.

* '''Series premiere promo''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA&t=10m35s]
: ''Animation:'' Excerpts from [[The Reformatting]] and [[Master of the House]].
: ''Narration:'' [[Neil Ross]]
: ''It's an all new show for a renegade group of Beast Machines.''
<table border="1" style="margin-left: 2em">
<tr><th>Version</th><th>Length</th><th>Link</th></tr>
<tr><td>Premiering Sat. Sept. 18th 10:00am</td><td>0:30 NET</td><td>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA&t=10m35s</td></tr>
<tr><td>Premiering Sat. Sept. 18th 11:00am</td><td>0:30 NET</td><td>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA&t=11m09s</td></tr>
<tr><td>Station</td><td>0:30 STA</td><td>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA&t=11m41s</td></tr>
<tr><td>Premiering Sat. Sept. 18th 10:00am</td><td>0:20 NET</td><td>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA&t=12m11s</td></tr>
<tr><td>Premiering Sat. Sept. 18th 11:00am</td><td>0:20 NET</td><td>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA&t=12m36s</td></tr>
<tr><td>Station</td><td>0:20 STA</td><td>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA&t=12m55s</td></tr>
<tr><td>Premiering Sat. Sept. 18th 10:00am</td><td>0:10 NET</td><td>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA&t=13m18s</td></tr>
<tr><td>Premiering Sat. Sept. 18th 11:00am</td><td>0:10 NET</td><td>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA&t=13m30s</td></tr>
<tr><td>Station</td><td>0:10 STA</td><td>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA&t=13m42s</td></tr>
</table>

* '''Season One promo''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Wj8B6ZAh9s]
: ''Animation:'' Various cartoon excerpts.
: ''Narration:'' Tom Kane
: ''An ape, a cat, a spider, a bat and a rat. Go wild with Beast Machines.''

[[File:MasterTheBeastCommerical.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Hey look, they put the [[Void]] in the poster!]]
* '''Master the Beast Sweepstakes''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA&t=13m55s]
: ''Animation:'' Excerpts of [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] transforming, [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]] turning his head, Optimus Primal landing in [[beast mode]], Megatron glaring, the Maximals together, Optimus Primal at the Oracle, Cheetor turning his head, Blackarachnia opening her eyes, Optimus Primal transforming, Rattrap in beast mode.
: ''Narration:'' Unknown
: ''Notes:'' This was an ad for the [[Master the Beast]] sweepstakes contest.
: ''Does changing into Beast Machines sound cool to you?''

* '''YTV promo''' [http://movies.tfarchive.com/movies/Beast_Machines/Beast_Machines_Commercial2.mpg]
: ''Animation:'' Excerpts of the Optimal/Transmetal 2 and Beast Machines versions of Optimus Primal, Blackarachnia and [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]] from the respective series.
: ''Narration:'' Edward Glen
: ''Notes:'' Each characters' ''Beast Wars'' Season 3 form is followed by their ''Beast Machines'' form accompanied by the narrator describing the changes as though he's narrating a fashion show.

[[File:Jetstorm and Primal Commercial.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|That kid in the back? Way too excited.]]
* '''Deluxe Jetstorm and Optimus Primal''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qIVLD-NelA&t=13m59s]

: ''Animation:'' Cartoon excerpts showing [[Jetstorm (BM)|Jetstorm]] firing at Optimus Primal and Optimus Primal jumping down from somewhere.
: ''Narration:'' [[SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY!!!]]
: ''Toy segment:'' Two boys at school fight in the only honorable way — by badly transforming Optimus Primal and Jetstorm.
: "Three o'clock at the flag pole." "I'll BE there!"
:* '''Deluxe Jetstorm and Optimus Primal''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csjzeY8vXqA] - Edited down from the previous commercial.

* '''Supreme Cheetor''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BEoOHppwAU&t=5m39s]

: ''Animation:'' Two excerpts featuring [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] transforming.
: ''Narration:'' None, apart from "New Beast Machines Electronic Cheetor Supreme sold separately" by the Cheetor Kid.
: ''Toy segment:'' Two kids face off in a gymnasium, surrounded by cheering friends. Megatron Kid makes threats to the other kid, who whips out Supreme Cheetor. Megatron Kid congratulates Cheetor Kid after losing their match.
: ''The challenge is in the change!''

* '''Nightscream and Ultra Jetstorm''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs_268NcQew] [[File:BM Ultras Commercial.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|"Nightscream likes EXTRA ketchup on his fries!" (Actual dialog)]]

: ''Animation:'' Excerpts of Jetstorm and [[Nightscream (BM)|Nightscream]] transforming.
: ''Narration:'' None, apart from "New Beast Machines Electronic Jetstorm and Electronic Nightscream sold separately" by Jetstorm Kid.
: ''Toy segment:'' Two kids ordering food are informed by the lady behind the counter that there is only one order of fries left, so they decide to fight it out with their Transformers. The "bad" kid grabs Ultra Jetstorm and shows it off for viewers' benefit, while the "good" kid transforms his Ultra Nightscream and shoots Jetty with his disk launcher. Nightscream Kid wins and tells Jetstorm Kid that "Nightscream likes EXTRA ketchup on his fries!" Jetstorm Kid warns him not to push it.
: "You're grounded Jetlag!"

* '''End of the Line promo''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykgTS7btJPk]
: ''Animation:'' Excerpts from [[End of the Line]].
: ''Narration:'' Jonathan David Cook
: ''Notes:'' This spot aired several times throughout the morning of ''End of the Line's'' initial airing.
: ''This morning, all sides have the key to...'' "Worldwide armageddon!" "Doomsday." ''But who will be the first to turn it?''

===2000===
* '''Season Two promo''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ibydIv9aeU]
: ''Animation:'' Various cartoon excerpts.
: ''Narration:'' [[Maurice LaMarche]] (?) and various local announcers.
: ''Maximize your mornings for an all new season of Beast Machines!''

* '''YTV promo 2''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwGkNh2EM08]
: ''Animation:'' An excerpt from [[Endgame Pt. III: Seeds of the Future]] as normal, then reversed in a loop.
: ''Narration:'' Edward Glen (as Optimus Primal) in an intentionally doofy voice dub featuring any other voice removed and the original sound effects replaced with more comedic ones.
: A bewildered Optimus Primal finds himself falling and then grabs onto some molding on the side of a building. The molding gives way and he falls down the side of the building. He mistakes the sparks created by his scraping fingernails as something shooting from his fingers. He finally catches another piece of molding as Megatron (in his Optimal Optimus body) strafes him. As he tries to explain that he's not [[King Kong]], the scene reverses itself and he finds himself stuck in some sort of time loop.
: ''Notes:'' This ad doesn't mention anything about the series finale from which the animation is taken. In fact, this seems to be just a regular old promo for the show. Assuming this aired before [[Endgame Pt. II: When Legends Fall]], anyone eagle-eyed enough to spot Optimal Optimus' jetmode would've caught a hefty spoiler.

==Animorphs==
[[File:AnimorphsCommercial.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|"ИƎI⅃A?"]]
===1999===
'''Animorphs''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty0k87cP5z8&t=0m35s] (15 second) / [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Boqg792QOk] (30 second)
: ''Narration:'' Unknown (possibly [[Shawn Ashmore]]).
: ''Notes:'' A brief explanation of the ''[[Animorphs]]'' story, with one of the characters saying "Animorphs, Transformers!" Features [[Jake (Animorphs)|Jake]], [[Tobias]], [[Size class|Mega class]] [[Aximili-Esgarrouth-Isthill|Ax]], [[Size class|Mega class]] [[Visser Three]] and [[Rachel]]. Some footage from the ''Animorphs'' TV series is seen, and an instrumental version of the series' theme plays underneath. The synthesized "Transformers!" digital voice (as with the concurrent ''Beast Wars'' ads, apparently taken from older ''Generation 1'' ads) plays at the end.
: ''The alien invasion has begun. Animorphs, Transformers!''
{{-}}

==Robots in Disguise (2001)==
===2001===
* '''Series premiere promo''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA]
: ''Animation:'' Various cartoon excerpts.
: ''Narration:'' [[Koji Onishi]] ([[Jason Spisak]]), [[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus Prime]] ([[Neil Kaplan]]) and various other Autobots as a group, "ONLY on [[Fox Kids]]".
: ''Strap in, because this ride's about to...'' "Transform." "Transform!" ''Transform!''

* '''Series premiere promo #2''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA&t=0m30s]
: ''Animation:'' Excerpts from [[Battle Protocol!]]
: ''Narration:'' ONLY on Fox Kids
: ''They came to destroy earth. NOW, the only ones strong enough to take them on, are hiding right, under, your...HOOD!''

[[File:Omega Prime Commercial.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Neither golden retriever, nor lawn mower, nor white picket fence, nor bright of day, shall stay these kids from the swift completion of their appointed Prime.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' and '''Ultra Magnus''' [http://www.ridforever.info/Video/commercials-toys/HASBRO_COMMERCIAL_OMEGA_2_.MPEG]

: ''Animation:'' [[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]] transforms, and Optimus Prime finds himself surrounded by the [[Predacon (RID)|Predacons]].
: ''Narration:'' [[Steve Blum]]
: ''Toy segment:'' Two kids who live next door to each other grab their respective Autobot Super figures and run into each other at full speed; as soon as they touch, they combine!
: ''Notes:'' One of the kids had a poster for the 1986 animated movie in his room. The whole commercial has a dubbed over feel, as Megatron and Optimus Prime sound nothing like the voices used for the show (presumably because casting had not yet been done) and the sound quality of the narration seems below that of the rest of the commercial.
:*'''Optimus Prime''' and '''Ultra Magnus''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA&t=0m50s] - Same as previous commercial, but Neil Kaplan voices Optimus Prime and the narration is the actor used for the rest of the ''Robots in Disguise'' commercials. The blank panels in the first kid's comic book have been filled in with an appropriate screenshot and quote, though it's still surrounded by panels from "[[Prime Time!]]". Also, the background music doesn't stop while the kids shout to each other from their windows.

[[File:Megatron Sky-Byte and Autobot Cars Commercial.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Nope, still not fearsome or impressive.]]
*'''Megatron''', '''Sky-Byte''' and '''[[Autobot Brothers|Deluxe Cars]]''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA&t=1m20s]

: ''Animation:'' CGI Optimus Prime transforms from truck to super-mode; Cartoon excerpts of Megatron (with [[Daniel Riordan|correct voice]]) talking, Optimus transforming, and [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]] taking a chunk out of the rear of a moving vehicle.
: ''Narration:'' Steve Blum
: ''Toy segment:'' Kids yell the names of the toys while showing them off or transforming them. They do this in what appears to be a poorly lit basement of some sort.
: ''Notes:'' "Prowl" just does not sound fearsome or impressive no matter how much you growl when you yell it.

[[File:TeamBulletTrainAndGalvatronCommercial.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Hey, show us your Lark pack!]]
* '''Team Bullet Train and Galvatron''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA&t=6m18s]

: ''Animation:'' Cartoon excerpts - [[Team Bullet Train]] finishes forming [[Rail Racer (RID)|Rail Racer]]; [[Megatron (RID)|Galvatron]] says "Foolish Autobots! Bring it on!".
: ''Narration:'' Steve Blum
: ''Toy segment:'' Two kids play with the bullet trains aboard a subway car.
:* '''Team Bullet Train and Galvatron''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA&t=6m48s] - Edited from the previous commercial.

* '''[[Landfill (RID)|Landfill]] and [[Ruination (RID)|Ruination]]'''

: ''Animation:''
: ''Narration:''
: ''Toy segment:''

* '''Shift, Shape, & Save'''
: ''Animation:'' Various cartoon excerpts.
: ''Narration:'' Koji Onishi (Jason Spisak), Optimus Prime (Neil Kaplan), various other Autobots as a group, and John Garry.
: ''Notes:'' This commercial was aired in various lengths with various end tags. Version names below are confirmed, except where noted.
<table border="1" style="margin-left: 2em">
<tr><th>Version</th><th>Length</th><th>Link</th></tr>
<tr><td>All New Saturday 8E/7C&P</td><td>0:30 NET</td><td>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA&t=1m35s</td></tr>
<tr><td>Mon-Fri Afternoons & Saturday Mornings</td><td>0:30 NET</td><td>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA&t=2m09s</td></tr>
<tr><td>Station</td><td>0:30 STA</td><td>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA&t=2m41s</td></tr>
<tr><td>All New Saturday 8E/7C&P</td><td>0:20 NET</td><td>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA&t=3m14s</td></tr>
<tr><td>Mon-Fri Afternoons & Saturday Mornings</td><td>0:20 NET</td><td>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA&t=3m36s</td></tr>
<tr><td>Station</td><td>0:20 STA</td><td>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA&t=4m00s</td></tr>
<tr><td>Coming Up (unconfirmed)</td><td>0:20 NET</td><td>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN4yssbZv5A</td></tr>
<tr><td>All New Saturday 8E/7C&P</td><td>0:10 NET</td><td>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA&t=4m23s</td></tr>
<tr><td>Mon-Fri Afternoons & Saturday Mornings</td><td>0:10 NET</td><td>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA&t=4m35s</td></tr>
<tr><td>Station</td><td>0:10 STA</td><td>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA&t=4m49s</td></tr>
<tr><td>Coming Up (unconfirmed)</td><td>0:10 NET</td><td>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWnayVCMUC0</td></tr>
</table>

* '''Cartoon promo''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA&t=5m47s]
: ''Animation:'' Excerpts of Optimus Prime, Ultra Magnus, [[Scourge (RID)|Scourge]], Galvatron and the [[Commando (RID)|Commandos]].
: ''Narration:'' Koji Onishi (Jason Spisak).
: ''Sit down, hold on and hush up, because in the battle for Earth, you're either gonna lead, follow, or get out of the way!'' "Tremble with fear, I AM GALVATRON!" "You're goin' down, down, down, down." "Transform!" ''Catch an all-new episode of Transformers: Robots in Disguise, next Saturday morning only on Fox Kids!''
: * '''Cartoon promo''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qIkfT81hOA&t=6m08s] - Edited down from the previous version.

* '''Cartoon promo 2''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkCmDrNmGpY&t=12m19s]
: ''Animation:'' Many of the same excerpts used in "Shift, Shape, & Save".
: ''Narration:'' [[Don LaFontaine]]
: ''This summer, Fox Kids will transform your TV into a blockbuster action machine. Transformers. Today after Digimon, on Fox Kids.''

* '''Cartoon promo 3''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewNb3osmAJY]
: ''Animation:'' Many of the same excerpts used in "Shift, Shape, & Save" along with excerpts of [[Fortress Maximus (RID)|Fortress Maximus]] and "Super" [[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn]].
: ''Narration:'' Alternating unknown male and female announcers.
: [Weight:] Male: ''"Fifteen tons."'' Female:''"All muscle."'' [A.I.:] ''"Artificial intelligence."'' ''"It's real."'' [Engine:] ''"One hundred thousand horse power."'' ''"Real dominance."'' [Fuel:] ''"The Matrix powers."'' ''"High octane."'' [Speed:] ''"From zero to action."'' ''"In a flash."'' [Mission:] ''"To save Earth."'' ''"No surrender."''

==Go-Bots==
===2002===
[[File:Go Go Go Bots Commercial.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Now if the guy had found a way to turn the "each sold separately" disclaimer into a rap too...]]
*'''[[Transformers: Go-Bots (franchise)|Transformers: Go-Bots]]''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBmvKjRvUbU]

: ''Animation:'' Cartoon excerpt of [[Aero-Bot]] transforming while [[Beast-Bot]] and [[Speed-Bot]] look on.
: ''Narration:'' [[Rap Guy]]
: ''Toy segment:'' The toys turn around on invisible turntables and transform.
: ''Notes:'' The rap is back! This commercial marks the brief return of rap in Transformers commercials.
: ''Aero-Bot, Beast-Bot, and Speed-Bot go! They only change, when you say so!''
:* '''Transformers: Go-Bots''' [http://adland.tv/commercials/hasbro-playskool-transformers-go-bots-2003-015-usa] - Edited down version of the previous commercial.

===2003===
*'''[[Hauler-Bot]]''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjt1bbhIUYI]

: ''Animation:'' Hauler-Bot departs a distant planet, then lands on Earth.
: ''Narration:'' [[Rap Guy]]
: ''Toy segment:'' Two boys playing with the Hauler-Bot components in front of green-screened techno-ish backgrounds of varying colors.
:''Sent to Earth from a world far away, Hauler-Bot Go-Bot saves the day!''

==Armada==
===2002===

[[File:First Armada Toy Commercial.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|But when I looked behind me, I only saw... uh... nine sets of footprints?]]
* '''[[Mini-Con]]s, [[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]], [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]], Megatron''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4b34MifYuw]

: ''Animation:'' From a sand background, CGI [[Sonar (Armada)|Sonar]] emerges from a [[Mini-Con storage panel]]. Sped-up cartoon footage of [[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Megatron]] transforming.
: ''Narration:'' [[Even Keel]]
: ''Toy segment:'' Kids play with the toys in a sandy environment with a sunset background. ''Woo woo woo woo.'' "Swindle. Starscream. Missiles away. Powerlink Mini-Cons for maximum firepower!"
: ''Kidmation:'' Terrifyingly large-mouthed kids hold the toys and mouth "robots in disguise" while the camera bobs drunkenly.
: ''Newww Transformers: Armada. With powerlinking Mini-Con '''warriors!'''''

* '''Megatron and Optimus Prime''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L5LGd3l6n0]

: ''Animation:'' From a watery background, CGI [[Grindor (Armada)|Grindor]] emerges from a storage panel. Cartoon excerpt: [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] stock footage.
: ''Narration:'' Even Keel
: ''Toy segment:'' Kids play with the toys in a sand-laden diorama environment. That ''can't'' be good for Prime's electronic innards.
: ''Kidmation:'' The large-mouthed kids again, with different toys.

[[File:Armada Supercon commercial.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|[[David Willis|Walky's]] dream job.]]
* '''[[Laserbeak (Armada)|Laserbeak]], Hot Shot, Demolishor''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWMvc3rWfk0]

: ''Narration:'' Even Keel
: ''Animation:'' From an ice background, CGI [[Jolt (Armada)|Jolt]] emerges from a storage panel. Cartoon excerpts: [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] stock footage; [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]] and [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]] running and firing.
: ''Toy segment:'' Kids play with the toys in a snowy diorama environment.
: ''Kidmation:'' The large-mouthed kids yet again, with different toys.
:* '''Laserbeak, Hot Shot, Demolishor''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BXd6S3c_F4] - Edited down from previous commercial.

* '''Series premiere promo''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPMEyvRI63E]

: ''Animation:'' Various excerpts from the first three episodes of ''Armada''.
: ''Narration:'' [[Peter Cullen]]
: ''Notes:'' ''Armada's'' first three episodes were combined into a mini-movie for its premiere on [[Toonami]]. This ad was kind of a big deal to fans as it was the first time Peter Cullen had done any work related to Transformers in thirteen years, dating back to the [[Action Master]] ads.
: ''Transformers: Armada. Friday at 4. Much more than meets the eye.''
:* '''Series premiere promo''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usvMNiU1qg0] - An edited down version of the previous commercial.

* '''''Armada'' marathon''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ogcXC0zzdk]

: ''Animation:'' Various cartoon excerpts, plus a brief CGI scene of TOM 2.0.
: ''Narration:'' TOM 2.0 ([[Steve Blum]])
: ''Everyone loves transforming robots, but sometimes twenty-two minutes isn't enough. We're here for ya.''

===2003===
[[File:Jetfire Galvatron Optimus Scavenger Commercial .jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|The Decepticon menace.]]
* '''Galvatron, Scavenger, Jetfire, Optimus Prime''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usvMNiU1qg0]

: ''Narration:'' Even Keel
: ''Animation:'' Cartoon [[stock footage]] of Optimus Prime
: ''Toy segment:'' In what looks like a {{w|Santiago Calatrava}} building, [[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] takes on [[Megatron (Armada)/toys|Galvatron]]; [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] and Prime [[Powerlinx|combine]] to counterattack.
: ''Kidmation:'' Two kids stand with their toys, back-to-back as if to make a final stand, while mouthing along with "robots in disguise!"

* '''[[Blurr (Armada)|Blurr]], [[Sideways (Armada)|Sideways]], [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]], [[Side Swipe (Armada)|Side Swipe]]''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0gxqH7cXJY]

: ''Narration:'' Even Keel
: ''Toy segment:'' Kids play with the toys in some kind of modernist corporate office setting.
: ''Kidmation:'' Back-to-back for the final stand again, this time against the corporate office's windows.
: ''Another battle for ultimate control!'' "Blurr attacks!" ''And Sideways betrays.''
: ''Notes:'' This commercial revealed Sideways to be a traitor long before the TV series did, spoiling the surprise for many fans.

*'''[[Overload (Armada)|Overload]], [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Powerlinx Optimus Prime]], [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave]], [[Megatron (Armada)|Galvatron]]'''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhQGeL0tRvA]

: ''Animation:'' Cartoon [[stock footage]] of Optimus Prime combined with Overload and Megatron combining with Tidal Wave.
: ''Narration:'' Even Keel
: ''Toy segment:'' Kids play with the toys near a public water fountain.

[[File:Unicron Commercial.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Johnny didn't do so well on his science project this year.]]
* '''Unicron''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooWCY1BubSg]

: ''Animation:'' Excerpt from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' of [[Unicron]] slamming his hand down on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s surface, accompanied by a newly recorded voice-over proclaiming "The universe is mine!". Also has an excerpt of Optimus Prime stock footage with Optimus telling Unicron to "fight someone your own size."
: ''Narration:'' Even Keel
: ''Toy segment:'' A kid plays with the toys, first in front of a projected space background, then in something resembling an empty warehouse.
: "Obviously, Optimus Prime, that would not be you!"
:* '''Unicron''' [http://adland.tv/commercials/transformers-armada-unicron-battles-devours-entire-worlds-2003-015] — Edited down from the previous commercial.

===2004===
* '''[[Transformers (PS2)|PlayStation 2 Armada game]] commercial''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWQVSAZTS-E]

: Starscream: "There's no ''escape''. Soundtrack is "Wishbone" by the band [[Dropbox]], who are actually shown rocking out between excerpts of game footage.
: ''The ultimate conflict begins.''

* '''PlayStation 2 Armada game trailer 1''' [http://www.gametrailers.com/video/trailer-1-transformers/4086]
: Idyllic scenes of nature on earth are followed by scenes of the Decepticon army mobilizing with an epic choral tune playing the background. The mood shifts as scenes of the Autobots taking action are accompanied by a rock version of the Generation 1 [[theme song|theme]].
: ''Notes:'' The "Transformers, robots in disguise" clip used in the rock rendition of the theme seems to be taken from the original G1 Season 1 theme song. This trailer is composed mostly of actual gameplay footage with a smattering of cut scene footage thrown in.
: ''Earth is not going to war. War is coming to Earth.''

* '''PlayStation 2 Armada game trailer 2''' [http://www.gametrailers.com/video/trailer-2-transformers/4087]
: Scenes of nature are followed by the Decpticons' arrival and subsequent battles with the Autobots.
: ''The ultimate conflict begins.''

==Energon==
===2004===
[[File:Energon Optimus and Scorponok Commercial.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Energon Unicron? Where you been!?]]
* '''[[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]] and [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]]''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfT_Z-rZ9mU]

: ''Narration:'' [[Even Keel]], with the cartoon's theme music.
: ''Toy segment:'' Kids playing with the toys in what looks like a basement or maybe a warehouse.
: ''Notes:'' Energon [[Unicron/toys|Unicron]] appears in the static shot of the toys at the end, as well as in the background of some of the other toy scenes. This suggests that a longer version of the commercial, which would feature Energon Unicron along with the other two toys, exists.
: ''Eachsoldseparatelybatteriesnotincludedactualchangetimewillvary.''

* '''[[Shockblast (Energon)|Shockblast]], [[Ironhide (Energon)|Energon Ironhide]], [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]]''' [http://adland.tv/commercials/hasbro-transformers-energon-2-2004-015-usa]

: ''Narration:'' Even Keel, with the cartoon's theme music.
: ''Toy segment:'' Kids play with the toys on a tabletop.
: ''Shockblast is on the hunt but Powerlinx Jetfire prepares for attack.''

* '''Starscream, [[Terrorcon (Energon)|Terrorcon]]s, Deluxe Autobots''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PYvg9YbVtg]

: ''Narration:'' Even Keel.
: ''Toy segment:'' Various kids on viewscreens are rotoscoped into the frame like members of some sinister corporation's executive board.
: ''Kidmation:'' The three kids drop separately into the rotoscope and mouth along to the song while holding up [[Hot Shot (Armada)/toys|Hot Shot]] [[powerlinx]]ed with [[Rodimus (Energon)|Rodimus]], [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] and [[Inferno (Energon)|Inferno]] powerlinxed with [[Prowl (Energon)|Prowl]].
: ''Decepticons attack with Hyper Power.''
:* '''Starscream, Terrorcons, Deluxe Autobots''' [http://adland.tv/commercials/hasbro-transformers-energon-2004-015-usa] — Edited down from the previous commercial.

[[File:Energon Omega Supreme and Megatron Commercial.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Oddly better quality than the show.]]
* '''Omega Supreme and Megatron''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uePLyCXTU-s]

: ''Animation:'' Cartoon excerpt: [[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Omega Supreme]] spins around in space.
: ''Narration:'' Even Keel
: ''Kidmation:'' Two serious-faced kids on a split screen hold up Omega and [[Megatron (Armada)/toys|Megatron]], while mouthing along with the hard rock [[theme song]].
: "Your weapons are ''useless'' against <s>Prince of Space</s> ''him!''"

* '''''Energon'' marathon''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoeTY5uN3lE]

: ''Animation:'' Various cartoon excerpts and a brief CGI scene featuring TOM 3.0.
: ''Narration:'' TOM 3.0 ([[Steve Blum]])
: ''Next Friday, the battle to control the Earth's supply of Energon is raging so hard, we're giving Optimus and the gang some extra airtime.''

===2005===

* '''Air Team and Optimus Prime''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddVPMX0Cy54]

: ''Animation:'' Cartoon excerpts: Optimus Prime forms his super mode; The Air Team forms [[Superion Maximus]], then attacks [[Constructicon Maximus]] and [[Bruticus Maximus (Energon)|Bruticus Maximus]].
: ''Narration:'' [[Dramatic Guy]]
: ''Toy segment:'' Various shots of the toys in their [[robot mode]]s.
: ''Notes:'' This commercial appears to represent an alternate continuity. Optimus Prime is implied to have created either combiners in general or just the Air Team in particular.
: ''Transformers: Energon. You can join the Powerlinx Battles.''

===2009===

* '''VHS & DVD trailer''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfS3oEAsjWE]

: ''Animation:'' Excerpts from ''[[Transformers: Energon (cartoon)|Transformers: Energon]]''.
: ''Narration:'' [[Jim Cummings]]
: ''Notes:'' Promotes the videos [[Paramount Pictures|"The Battle for Energon" and "The Return of Megatron"]].

{{-}}

==Cybertron==
===2005===
[[File:Cybertron Large Figures Commercial.jpg|upright=0.95|thumb|And you thought Sari's [[AllSpark Key]] was impressive.]]
* '''Optimus Prime, Megatron, Starscream''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeuBAMhs_uc]

: ''Narration:'' Dramatic Guy
: ''Live-action segment:'' A kid runs down a laser-lit passageway with a frisbee-sized [[Cyber Planet Key]], which he uses to unlock a giant door, which opens to reveal a giant CG ''Cybertron'' [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]]!
: ''Toy segment:'' Optimus Prime uses his Cyber Key Power to take down [[Megatron (Armada)/toys|Megatron]], but the giant [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] has his own Cyber Key!
:''You can go to Transformers.com! Ask your parents first.''
:* '''Starscream''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHjjDI-PGTo] - Edited down from the previous commercial, with new narration focusing solely on Starscream.

*'''''Cybertron'' on Toonami''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNSt9LS_J54]

: ''Animation:'' Various cartoon excerpts and a CGI scene of a Clyde explorer robot spray painting the ''Cybertron'' logo and airtime on a wall.
: ''Narration:'' TOM 3.0 ([[Steve Blum]])
: ''Transformers: Cybertron. New episodes Saturdays at seven. Unlock the power.''

*'''''Cybertron'' on the Kids' WB Aftertoons Show''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0BMiHDdaE0]

: ''Animation:'' Various cartoon excerpts, the [[Kids' WB]] rendering of the Warner Brothers' studio lot.
: ''Narration:'' [[Mr. Action]]
: ''Re-energize your weekdays with Transformers: Cybertron.''

===2006===
[[File:CybAd DarkcrumplezoneEvacDownshift.jpg|upright=0.95|thumb|Somehow more exciting than the TV show.]]
*'''Crumplezone, Downshift, Evac''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDjPB6tVX2o]

: ''Narration:'' Dramatic Guy
: ''Toy segment:'' A whole little plot plays out in an impressive-looking diorama environment. [[Crumplezone (Cybertron)|Dark Crumplezone]] steals a silver-bordered [[Earth]] Cyber Key! He transforms into [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]], uses the Cyber Key Power and races off with the heroic Autobots [[Downshift (Energon)|Downshift]] and [[Evac (Cybertron)|Evac]] in hot pursuit! Oh noes! Crumplezone shoves Downshift off the cliff-edge road they are racing on. Downshift is transformed and grabs Evac's rescue rope, then blasts Crumplezone into oblivion. The Key is saved!
: ''Notes:'' Oddly, and in contrast to previous commercials, [[Paul Oakenfold]]'s ''Cybertron'' [[theme song]] is not used. Instead, an alternate theme rendition is featured.
:''Ask your parents to take you to Transformers.com!''

===2007===
*'''''Cybertron'' marathon''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJcabPf5QEQ]

: ''Animation:'' Various cartoon excerpts.
: ''Narration:'' [[Peter Cullen]]
: ''All set to transform this summer? Well Toonami's got just the thing for you!''
:* '''''Cybertron'' marathon''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLWq-0At8X8] - An edited down version of the previous commercial.

*'''Sneak peek after the ''Cybertron'' marathon''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfSieHZvvb4]

: ''Animation:'' Various Cybertron excerpts.
: ''Narration:'' Peter Cullen
: ''Notes:'' This spot promoted a sneak preview of ''[[Transformers (film)|Transformers]]'' that aired after a Saturday marathon of [[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|Transformers: Cybertron]]. Features several scenes from the movie, all of which were frequently used in promo spots.
: ''This Saturday night, we're showing you a bright and shiny sneak peak at the new Transformers movie after the Transformers: Cybertron marathon. How's nineish for you?''

==Star Wars Transformers==
===2006===
[[File:SW Transformers Commercial.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Now the space wizards are robots, too!]]
* '''Darth Vader and Obi-Wan Kenobi''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwWHqkWJ1No]

: ''Narration:'' 2006-2007 Guy.
: ''Toy segment:'' Two kids, one dressed as a [[Sith]] Lord and the other a [[Jedi]] Knight, play with [[Darth Vader]] and [[Obi-Wan Kenobi|Obi-Wan]] respectively.
: ''Notes:'' Features excerpts of Darth Vader from ''Episode IV: A New Hope'' and ''Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back''.
:''NEW! Star Wars Transformers. Mech mode or vehicle mode. The battle for the universe rages on!''

[[File:SWTF Millennium Falcon Commercial.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Time to pull the wishbone!]]
* '''Millennium Falcon and Boba Fett''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrbwqLTmuRA]

: ''Narration:'' 2006-2007 Guy.
: ''Toy segment:'' Two unseen individuals demonstrate the play features of the [[Millennium Falcon]] and [[Boba Fett]] in front of a "Death Star interior" background.
: ''Notes:'' Features excerpts of [[Han Solo]] and [[Chewbacca]] in the Millennium Falcon from ''Episode IV: A New Hope'' and ''Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back''.

===2007===
[[File:SWTF Death Star Commercial.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb]]
* '''Death Star''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr5UtgsUK9Y]

: ''Narration:'' 2006-2007 Guy.
: ''Toy segment:'' An unseen individual demonstrates the toy's features in front of a space background.
: ''Notes:'' Features an excerpt of the [[Death Star]] destroying Alderaan from ''Episode IV: A New Hop''e.
: ''Now you can control the most devastating power in the galaxy.''
{{-}}

==Attacktix==
===2006===
[[File:Attacktix Commercial.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|I don't know. I think Prime could take him.]]
* '''Attacktix Intergalactic Showdown''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe9LDLUdJq8]

:''Narration:'' 2006-2007 Guy
:''Toy segment:'' Group of kids battle with Star Wars and Transformers [[Attacktix]] figures upon a table top.
:"Optimus Prime beat Darth Vader? No. Way." ''Find out with Attacktix.''
:* '''Attacktix Intergalactic Showdown''' [http://adland.tv/commercials/hasbro-attacktix-battle-figure-game-star-wars-transformers-2006-15-us] - Same as the previous commercial but with different toy footage, after the [[Megatron (Armada)/toys|''Cybertron'' Megatron]]/Darth Vader split screen, featuring Boba Fett, [[wikia:wookie:AT-RT|AT-RT]] and [[Omega Sentinel (Energon)|Omega Sentinel]].
{{-}}

==Transformers (2007) ==
{{main|Commercial/Transformers (2007)}}

==Animated==
===2007===
[[File:TFAnimatedTransformAndRolloutPremiereCommercial.jpg|thumb|"Here I come to save the day!"]]
*'''''Transform and Roll Out'' premiere''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYKMMX2gFLg]

: ''Animation:'' Excerpts from [[Transform and Roll Out]].
: ''Narration:'' [[Peter Cullen]]
: ''Bumblebee. Optimus Prime. Megatron. And more, like you've never seen them before!''

*'''Series premiere promo''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv7H05Byz6g]

: ''Animation:'' Excerpts from [[Transform and Roll Out]], [[The Thrill of the Hunt]], and [[Along Came a Spider]].
: ''Narration:'' Peter Cullen
: ''The Transformers are getting their own brand new series.''

===2008===
* '''YTV promo''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfSaBAIKXCY]
: ''Animation:'' Scenes of the [[Elite Guard]] arriving on Earth, [[Carmine Fanzone|Captain Fanzone]] standing by [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]], [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] shaking the hand of [[Augustus Edsel]], and Sentinel as just a head.
: ''Narration:'' Edward Glen (as Sentinel Prime)
: ''Notes:'' The animation is re-soundtracked with comedic background music and new narration from Sentinel Prime introducing himself to Captain Fanzone and explaining why it has to be robots.

* '''YTV promo 2''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUMBDhJka84] 
: ''Animation:'' Excerpts of [[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]] swinging his nunchucks, [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]], [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Wreck-Gar]] & [[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]], [[Sari Sumdac (Animated)|Sari]] & [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] playing video games, Optimus Prime being sprayed in the face by water, Optimus Prime laughing at body-less Sentinel Prime, Bumblebee tapping his foot, Sentinel shaking the [[Augustus Edsel|mayor]]'s hand, Sari sneezing from a cold, [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] and Bumblebee yelling "[[space barnacle]]s!" and Jazz recoiling in fear from Sari.
: ''Narration:'' Edward Glen
: ''Notes:'' The narrator talks about all the ways humans and Transformers are alike, using the animation as examples.

[[File:Toycommercial-Animated01.jpg|thumb|Bulkhead isn't small! He's just faaaar away.]]
*'''Wave 1 & 2 Voyagers and Deluxes''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch_DqDKJ_lw]
:''Animation:'' Cartoon excerpt of [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] swooping down and firing.
:''Narration:'' [[Dynamic!]]
:''Toy Segment:'' The evil Starscream prepares to attack, with the evil Decepticons [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] and... [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]]? Luckily, Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, Prowl, and [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] are there to save the day. Notice how Bulkhead is SHORTER than 'Bee.
:''Notes:'' Has an end tag advertising the 'Battle Begins' Optimus Prime/Megatron two-pack.
:* '''Wave 1 & 2 Voyagers and Deluxes''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M_bptK7T7Y] - Edited down from the previous commercial.

* '''Leader Megatron and Rollout Command Optimus Prime''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aXyzrpB2eg] (Original), [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CAr4_PdrwI] (with Leader Class Bulkhead)
:''Animation:'' None.
:''Narration:'' Dynamic!
:''Toy Segment:'' Optimus Prime races through a city diorama to meet Megatron and show off his "amazing auto-spin technology!" gimmick.
:''Note'': An alternate version of the commercial features Leader Class Bulkhead.

* '''[[McDonald's]] Happy Meal toys''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzkYFIBglK4] (Partial)
:Kids play with [[List of Transformers restaurant promotions|Animated Happy Meal Toys]] inside a giant, Happy Meal Box-shaped spaceship. Inexplicably, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|MOVIE Optimus Prime]] appears in the background.

*'''[[Transformers Animated: The Game]]''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYF8da0kEUs]
:Various excerpts of gameplay and animation from the game are shown, interspersed with text narration and voice over clips from Megatron, Bumblebee, Optimus Prime, and Prowl.
:''In this time of war, victory...depends on teamwork.''

===2009===
[[File:AnimatedJetfireandJetstormCommericalframes.jpg|thumb|This is the only trace we have of this commercial.]]
* '''[[Safeguard (Animated)|Jetstorm and Jetfire]]'''

:''Animation:'' None.
:''Narration:'' Unknown.
:''Toy Segment:''

*'''''TransWarped'' premiere''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNslpFyD0Ag]

: ''Animation:'' Excerpts from [[TransWarped]]
: ''Narration:'' [[Saturday Crush Zone]]
: ''You'll get more than one episode can hold. More than you bargained for. And more than meets the eye.''

==Revenge of the Fallen==
{{main|Commercial/Revenge of the Fallen}}

==War for Cybertron==
===2009===
[[File:WFC One Shall Stand Trailer.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|IT'S MECHAGODZILLA, AND HE'S GOT....glowing chest lights?]]
* '''Teaser Trailer''' [http://v.wordpress.com/wp-content/plugins/video/flvplayer.swf?ver=1.11&guid=kV2PWlEi]
: A brief trailer showing a transmission from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] before first contact with [[Earth]]. [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] speeds into battle, transforms in mid-air and charges with his fellow Autobots - slicing a Decepticon in half - and stopping as [[Omega Supreme (WFC)|Omega Supreme]] launches his energy weapon.

* '''One Shall Stand Trailer''' [http://www.gametrailers.com/video/one-shall-transformers-war/60792]

: Optimus Prime tells the story of the Transformers' war on Cybertron while a battle takes place between the opposing sides. He then comes to the rescue of a group of Autobots under attack by [[Skywarp (WFC)|Skywarp]]. Prime laments the war while [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] feels the war is necessary. Their discussion of the war continues as individuals on both sides continue to fight. Eventually, the two factions form unified fronts and charge towards each other. The trailer ends just as Prime and Megatron start to clash.
:''Notes:'' Narrated by [[Peter Cullen]] as Optimus Prime. The battle depicted in this trailer is the one shown in the transmission from the teaser trailer.
: "One shall stand." "One shall fall."

[[File:WFC Gamplay Reveal Trailer.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|The Axeman Cometh.]]
* '''Gameplay Reveal Trailer''' [http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/54828/transformers-war-for-cybertron/videos/transformwfc_trl_gameplay_revtrailer_22610.html]

: Optimus Prime tells us that Cybertron has never seen war until now and declares that the Autobots must stand as one against the Decepticon army.
: ''Experience the beginning. Fight to the end.''

* '''Multiplayer Character Trailer''' [http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/54828/transformers-war-for-cybertron/videos/transformerswfc_trl_multiplayerdebut_4710.html]

: The ability to create a custom multiplayer character and battles featuring such characters are heavily featured amongst other multiplayer footage.
: ''Become. The Ultimate. Weapon.''

* '''Multiplayer Overview Trailer''' [http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/transformerswarforcybertron/video/6261305]

: The game's various multiplayer modes are demonstrated as Optimus Prime names each one of them.
: ''Wage war online. Become the ultimate weapon.''

* '''E3 2010 Trailer''' [http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/54828/transformers-war-for-cybertron/videos/e32010_transformerswfc_trl_e3trailer_60410.html]
: Various game scenes are shown as Optimus Prime and Megatron argue over whether the Autobots should leave Cybertron or stay and fight.
: ''Fight to the end. In the war. That started it all. Become the ultimate weapon.''

[[File:WFC Gamestop Commercial.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''So I walked in the room, held mah '''BOOMBOX''' high, And what happened next will blow your mind!'']]
* '''Gamestop Exclusive TV spot''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtyYt7oRMhs]

: [[Shockwave (WFC)|Shockwave]] arrives to the location of Megatron, [[Soundwave (WFC)|Soundwave]] and [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]] prompting Megatron to take off and leave Shockwave in charge. Pleased by Megatron's decision, Shockwave takes this opportunity to order Soundwave to transform into boombox mode and play music for him to shoot Autobots by. His choice of song? "[[The Touch]]"! Starscream is not enthused by this and asks "Why this song?". Shockwave replies that when Starscream's hit percentage exceeds Shockwave's then he can choose the soundtrack.
: ''Notes:'' Shockwave's Autobot blasting is ''in time'' to the song! Shockwave's voice is provided once again by [[Corey Burton]].
{{-}}

==2010 Transformers toyline==
===2010===
[[File:PCC commercial.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|It's time to duel!]]
* '''[[Power Core Combiners]]''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxLrS3XwIaA]
: ''Narration:'' [[2006-2007 Guy]]
: ''Toy Segment:'' [[Huffer (PCC)|Huffer]] and [[Smolder]] seem to fly by buildings in robot mode while side-by-side in their own camera shots. Then [[Skyburst (PCC)|Skyburst]] flies to his drones before transforming, first to robot mode and then to combiner torso mode, in order to demonstrate [[Power Core Combination]]. [[Bombshock (PCC)|Bombshock]] combines with his drones and other Power Core Combiners are shown in their combined forms.
: ''Power Core technology lets a commander lead his Power Core drones OR combine forces with them to create a Bigger, BADder, BOT!''

* '''Leader Starscream and Optimus Prime''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ1I2qEIZKA] (15 sec.) / [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKHK2v8_9TQ] (21 sec, Chinese language) / [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vdu-6NGC2sg] (31 sec.)
: ''Narration:'' 2006-2007 Guy
: ''Toy Segment:'' [[Starscream (Movie)/toys|Starscream]] is located and hunted down by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Optimus Prime]], [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Bumblebee]] and [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]].
: ''Notes:'' The toy segment is followed by a plug for the [[Hunt for the Decepticons]] online game.

* '''Battle Ops Bumblebee''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtlT_JtH42I]
: ''Animation:'' Bumblebee flipping his mask down and looking at the camera for the introduction, Bumblebee continuing to look at the camera for the end.
: ''Narration:'' 2006-2007 Guy
: ''Toy Segment:'' A four-way split screen shows clips of Bumblebee in all four of his modes, with one mode per quadrant. The quadrants then pull to the exterior to reveal a full size clip of his Guardian vehicle mode, followed by his Battle vehicle mode as the narrator begins to describe the four modes. He continues as a pair of hands transforms Bumblebee to his two robots modes and demonstrates the electronics for both modes.
:* '''Battle Ops Bumblebee''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n94lcULZGGU] - An edited down version of the previous commercial.

[[File:2010 McDonalds Commercial.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb]]
* '''McDonald's Happy Meal''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NETH0bv_FY]
: Three kids, one has curly hair, one has long hair and one has short hair, sit at a kitchen table eating their [[McDonald's]] Transformers Happy Meals. The curly-haired kid gets up to leave and declares "Bumblebee is gonna guard my McNuggets. If you take anything, he'll blast you back to Cybertron!". His friends call his bluff and, much to their surprise, find themselves floating in space.

* '''Reveal the Shield''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ImjgEnXV8s]
: ''Narration:'' Unknown.
: ''Toy segment:'' [[Cyclonus (G1)/toys|Cyclonus]], [[Lugnut (TF 2010)|Lugnut]] and [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys|Rodimus]] strike dynamic poses in a poorly lit area resembling spaceship wreckage while the narrator provides the backstory. The spot ends with Rodimus, [[Grapple (G1)|Solar Storm Grappel]] and [[Jazz (G1)/toys|Autobot Jazz]] stare down Cyclonus, Lugnut, ...and [[Tracks (G1)|Turbo Tracks]]? This must be [[Total War!|total war]].
:''Notes:'' To be fair, Tracks being with the Decepticons does play into the whole unknown allegiance gimmick.
: ''But whose side are they on?''

== Speed Stars ==
=== 2010 ===
[[File:Stealth Force Prime Ad.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb]]
* '''Stealth Force Optimus Prime''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HufDT8lmUX8]
: ''Animation:'' Optimus Prime driving out from behind the [[Speed Stars]] logo.
: ''Narration:'' Dynamic!
: ''Toy Segment:'' [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Optimus Prime]] patrols a city street in Stealth Mode before switching Battle Mode to take on [[Megatron (Movie)/toys|Megatron]]. He is then joined as he speeds down the street by [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Bumblebee]] and [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]].

* '''Bumblebee Track Set''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvZT7CngRJk]
: ''Narration:'' Dynamic!
: ''Toy Segment:'' A kid plays with Bumblebee, having him zoom along his track set on a mission with an undisclosed purpose.
: ''Notes:'' A clip from ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' of Optimus Prime decking Megatron is used to help highlight the set's smashable Megatron figure.

==Prime==
{{main|Commercial/Prime}}

==Dark of the Moon==
{{main|Commercial/Dark of the Moon}}

==Kre-O==
=== 2011===
[[File:Kre-oTransformersTeaserTrailer.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
* '''KRE-O TRANSFORMERS teaser trailer''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PcsNMTqpBAE]
:Uploaded [[June 30]], [[2011]]. CG Kre-O Transformers duke it out. ''They came to our world... [[Commercial/Transformers (2007)|most have come to destroy us... some have come to protect us...]] and now there's a whole new way to battle, because the Transformers have never been built like this.'' ''The Transformers world has never been bigger.'' [[Bumblebee (Kre-O)|Bumblebee]]: "Never been smaller either."
: ''Notes:'' Bumblebee's voice is not provided by [[Dan Gilvezan|any]] [[Mark Ryan|of]] [[Bumper Robinson|his]] [[Johnny Yong Bosch|other]] [[Nicole Dubuc|voice]] [[Will Friedle|actors]]. In fact it sounds similar to the voice {{w|Seth Green}} uses for {{w|Family Guy|Chris Griffin}}.

* '''KRE-O TRANSFORMERS Online Exclusive''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMYBJgfaAww&NR=1]
:Uploaded June 30, 2011.
: ''Animation:'' [[Starscream (Kre-O)|Starscream]] and [[Megatron (Kre-O)|Megatron]] battle [[Optimus Prime (Kre-O)|Optimus Prime]], [[Ratchet (Kre-O)|Ratchet]] and Bumblebee in the desert. The action scenes have scenes of the Bumblebee KREO set building itself interspersed between them. ''[The action builds when you build!]''

=== 2012 ===
[[File:KreoBattleForEnergonCommercial.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
* '''"Battle for Energon" building set''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu2nadv4DQ8&feature=share&list=UUDtYGb16ru5UWC78xaaO34A]
:Uploaded [[October 30]], [[2012]].
: ''Animation:'' [[Tank Driver]] steals a shard of [[Dark Energon]] being held inside a bank. He is chased out by [[Security Officer]] and runs into the foot of Megatron, knocking him onto his back. Megatron grabs the Dark Energon shard, but Tank Driver hangs on, even with energy beginning to radiate from the crystal. Megatron gets decked by Optimus Prime. Somewhere else in the city, Optimus Prime speeds through an intersection and carelessly rams Megatron in his tank mode while a [[human]] watches from the nearby sidewalk. The collision results in an explosion which forces the human to flee from projectile debris. Optimus and Megatron then duke it out in robot mode, with humans fleeing the scene. A kick to Megatron's face allows Prime to recover the dark energon. Kreon Optimus throws Kreon Megatron behind bars with Tank Driver occupying an adjacent cell.
: ''Toy segment:'' Sped up footage of the Prime and Megatron sets being built into robot form, torn down and then rebuilt into their vehicle forms.

=== 2013 ===
* '''KRE-O Transformers Micro Changers and Combiners Construction Sets''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh_4xY_UTS8&feature=share&list=UUDtYGb16ru5UWC78xaaO34A]
:Uploaded [[March 19]], [[2013]].
: ''Animation:'' A huge Kreon battle takes place on a lightly forested field. [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] takes down [[Ripclaw]]. [[Silverbolt (G1)|Sliverbolt]] pounds [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] into parts, then blasts [[Tantrum (G1)|Headlock]]. This happens just before [[Scorch (G1)|Singe]] drives up, then transforms and leaps into a corkscrew spin, ending with a missile blast. Someone with a high pitched voice: (in dismay) "No, they're combining!" The Combaticons and Predacons combine. A blue generic, Springer, [[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]], and Singe are chased by [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]] and [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]]. This causes the generic and Warpath to run into each other and Silverbolt, of all bots, to complain that the combiners are showoffs. Ripclaw torches Springer's backside.
: ''Toy segment:'' A pan through half of the Wave 1 Microchangers plus Silverbolt and [[Fireflight (G1)|Firestrike]]. Fast motion transformation of Singe, Springer, [[Bludgeon (Kre-O)|Bludgeon]], and [[Airachnid (Prime)|Airachnid]] to vehicle mode. Fast motion combination of the Predacons and Combaticons into Predaking and Bruticus, respectively. A pan through various Preview Wave, Wave 1, and Combiner Microchangers.
: ''Notes:'' Silverbolt is not voiced by [[Charlie Adler]]. Involved in the mega battle scene are a number of duplicates, presumably due to the cost of working up a whole bunch of different CGI models. The scene includes two each of [[Spinister (G1)|Spinister]], [[Headstrong (G1)|Torox]] and [[Tantrum (G1)|Headlock]], three each of Ripclaw (one without wings), Springer, and [[Brawl (G1)|Brawl]], four [[Divebomb (G1)|Divebomb]]s, ''five'' Warpaths and '''''six''''' each of Silverbolt and Singe. Know that, surprisingly, there's only one [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]].
:* '''KRE-O Transformers Micro Changers Combiners Construction Sets''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fayfPfIb5Kk&feature=share&list=UUDtYGb16ru5UWC78xaaO34A]
::Uploaded March 19, 2013. An edited down version of the Micro Changers and Combiners ad.

=== 2014 ===
{{main|Commercial/Age of Extinction#Dino Force}}

=== 2015 ===
* ''KRE-O Battle Changers''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h20AJOLLzw]
:''Animation:'' Autobot logo built from Kre-O bricks. Grimlock finds out, to his surprise, that "With new Kre-o Battle Changers, you can build and convert!". Grimlock pauses from bashing Decepticons to test the claim by switching Bumblebee between modes until he breaks apart. Bumblebee reacts with audible disappointment: "Aw man!".
:''Toy segment:'' Fast motion assembly and conversion of Bumblebee.

==Rescue Bots==
=== 2011 ===
[[File:RescueBotsOnlineExclusiveTrailer.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Optimus' hopes of defending his 200 [[Units of length|mechanometer]] title were dashed by a pulled hamstring.]]
* '''Rescue Bots Online Exclusive trailer''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RXpHdIoJFo]
:Uploaded August [[2011]]. The narrator introduces the concept of the [[Transformers: Rescue Bots (franchise)|Rescue Bots]] while a young boy plays with the toys and demonstrates their features.
:"''Playskool Heroes brings the excitement of big boy brands to little boy hands with the all new Transformers Rescue Bots.''"

* '''[[Family of Heroes|Sneak]] [[Under Pressure|Preview]]''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUuLIPROmBE]
: ''Saturday!'' "Follow these coordinates." ''The Hub transforms your morning with an all-new sneak peak.'' "Robots! Transform!" ''New Autobots...'' "Happy to join the battle sir." ''...new adventures...brand new series.'' "Less talk, more action." ''Be the first to catch the hour long Hub sneak peak.'' "Thought you'd never ask." ''Transformers: Rescue Bots. Saturday starting at noon Eastern, 9AM Pacific. Only on the Hub.'' "Roll to the rescue!"

* '''Rescue Bots toys''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL9M-l6SExs]
: ''Animation:'' CGI [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]], [[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]], [[Heatwave (RB)|Heatwave]], [[Chase (RB)|Chase]], [[Blades (RB)|Blades]], and [[Boulder]] come running (or flying) out of [[Fire Station Prime]]. Prime, Bumblebee and Chase watch as Heatwave puts out a fire. The whole group gets into a heroic V-formation.
: ''Toy segment:'' A pan over of Fire Station Prime, Optimus Prime, Bee, Boulder, and Blades. Close up of two sets of hands transforming Chase and Heatwave to robot mode simultaneously. [[Cody Burns]] is placed into Heatwave and driven out of Fire Station Prime. Fire Station Prime is transformed. Heatwave is transformed to robot mode again. Fire Station Prime is transformed again. [[Jack Tracker]] rides the elevator with his jetpack. The Fire Station's water cannon is used to put out a fire. Cody Burns slides down the fire pole. Chase transforms to car mode.
: ''Notes:'' The narration of this ad consists of an unknown singer singing about the heroism of the Rescue Bots and what's going on in the toy and animation clips.
: "New from Transformers! Res-cue-Bots! Rescue Robots sa-ving the day. Working with humans, the Rescue Bot way. Fire station changes to Optimus Prime. Heatwave! Put out those fires crew. Rescue Bots ready any time. To put out fires and team up with youuuuuuuuuu! Res-cue-Bots! Rescue Robots sa-ving the day. Working with humans, the Rescue Bot way. Res-cue-Bots!" ''Heroes start here.''

=== 2012 ===

* '''Season 1 promo''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To6iSieJVOY]
: ''Saturdays on The Hub.'' "Rescue Bots, Roll to the Rescue!" ''They're the first on the scene.'' "Wherever there is an emergency, there are Rescue Bots." ''Heatwave, Chase, Boulder, and Blades!'' "Hi." ''They've got a mission to serve and protect [[Griffin Rock|our planet]], and that's just what they planned to do!'' "Preferably with high speed pursuits." "Now you're talking!" ''Transformers: Rescue Bots. Check local listings, only on The Hub.'' "We're happy to join the battle, sir."

* '''Season 1 [[It's a Bot Time|2]]-[[Bot to the Future|parter]] promo''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikd0LRByc9A]
: "What did Morocco do to Griffin Rock?" "Whatever it was, we have to undo it." ''Saturday on The Hub. Bumblebee and Optimus Prime join the Rescue Bots.'' "We suspected you might need some assistance." ''And in order to foil Doctor Morocco's evil plan--'' "Capture those robots." ''they'll need all the help they can get.'' "They've walled us in." ''A special 2-part episode of Transformers: Rescue Bots.'' "I like the sound of that." ''Check local listings. It Can Happen, only on The Hub.''

[[File:RescueBotsMobileHeadquartersCommercial.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
* '''Mobile Headquarters''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh84eeSmu70]
: ''Animation:'' The same clip of CGI Autobots getting into a V-formation as used in the previous commercial.
: ''Toy segment:'' The ladder of the headquarters is raised with Cody Burns in the basket. The vehicle is converted to base mode and Cody is dropped into the passenger compartment of Optimus Prime. Prime rolls out from the headquarters.
: ''Notes:'' The narration is a song again with different words but the same tune.
: ''Trannnsformers: Rescue Bots, it's time to roll. Chase and Heatwave out on patrol. Open up headquarters, don't delay. Roll out with Optimus and save the daaay! Res-cue-Bots!''

* '''Bots & Robbers Police Headquarters''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl9lyEqa-Ww]
: ''Animation:'' CGI Autobots forming into a V-formation.
: ''Toy segment:'' Chase is deployed from the police headquarters; he returns to the headquarters and locks the criminal in the jail cell.
: ''Notes:'' This ad has yet another narration song. The playset is referred to as the Rescue Bots Police Headquarters in the ad.
: ''Trannnsformers: Rescue Bots, are on the scene. First at responding, work as a team. Chase the Police Bot speeds away, catches the robber and saves the daaay! Res-cue-Bots!''

=== 2013 ===

* '''Energize figures''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh84eeSmu70]
: ''Animation:'' Bumblebee and Heatwave race to the scene of a burning building and a road that's splitting apart. All the Autobots raise their Energize tools to the air; Bumblebee uses his jackhammer to demolish rubble. Heatwave uses his "water" cannon to put out a fire.
: ''Narration:'' Unknown.
: ''Toy segment:'' Bee and Heatwave are pushed along, then Bee is transformed. Group shot of all the figures in robot mode. Bumblebee breaks through a wall in robot mode, then Boulder does the same in vehicle mode. Heatwave deals with a burning building. Two kids celebrate while all the figures stand in front of them.
: ''Notes:'' Sadly, there's no catchy tune this time.
: ''New tools, new rescues.''

[[File:BeamBoxCommercial.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"All right, Beatrice, there was no alien. The flash of light you saw in the sky was not a UFO. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus."]]
* '''Beam Box Game System''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgtWopfjBXw]
: ''Animation:'' None.
: ''Narration:'' Unknown.
: ''Toy segment:'' A young boy invites his friends to step inside...his closet? It turns out to be a surprisingly roomy closet that resembles a dimly lit warehouse. The boy inserts his [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] figure inside his [[Beam Box]] and tells his friends: "Prepare to be amazed!". Optimus Prime is then beamed into a magically appearing video screen. The narrator then proceeds to explain how the Beam Box "beams" the figures into various video games as the kids are shown playing the games.

* '''Marathon promo''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3Otbnk4H74]
: ''Saturday at 12:00 PM Eastern. Have no fear, The Hub is here--'' "Rescue Bots, Roll to the Rescue!" ''to save your Saturday! We're amping up your afternoon with eight episodes of Transformers: Rescue Bots right in a row. By adding action, diverting danger--'' "It's go time." ''and saving your Saturday from total disaster.'' (explosion) "This is a job for heavy machinery." ''Transform your Saturday with Transformers: Rescue Bots. Saturday at 12:00 PM Eastern, 9:00 Pacific, only on The Hub.''

=== 2014 ===

* '''Season 2 [[Road Trip|Premiere]]''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bciE8EjnMg0]
: (Cheering noises) "We're gonna need a bigger road." ''Saturday, March 1st.'' "Rescue Bots, Roll to the Rescue!" "I wanted to say that!" ''Your favorite Hub Network heroes are transforming with all-new adventures.'' (Grunt) "I can't believe it's real!" ''The all-new season of Transformers: Rescue Bots. Premieres Saturday, March 1st at 1:00 PM Eastern, 10:00 AM Pacific. Only on the Hub Network.'' "We're on our way!"

* '''Season 2 promo''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHGyKVfvIPg]
: ''This Saturday!'' "Ready, everybody?" "Yep!" ''The Hub Network's Transformers: Rescue Bots is all-new.'' "Our fans will want to see everything!" ''With adventure so incredible, there's only one word to describe it:'' "Interesting." "Awesome." "Incredible." "Fascinating." "Uhhh...[[Gremlin]]s." (Gremlin squeals.) ''Okay, maybe not that word.'' "Let's move, team!" ''Don't miss an all-new Transformers: Rescue Bots. Check local listings. You don't wanna miss this, only on the Hub Network!''

* '''Season 2 Summer promo''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ1xcSwTKG8]
: ''Saturday! The Hub Network is heating up your summer with all-new episodes of Transformers: Rescue Bots.'' "Hold the elevator, what?" ''All-new episodes of Transformers: Rescue Bots. Every Saturday!'' "Sounds great." ''The Rescue Bots are rolling to rescue your summer from boredom.'' "Because we're awesome." ''Because for them, that's what summer vacation is all about.'' "That sounds about right." ''Transformers: Rescue Bots, all new Saturday at 1:30 PM Eastern, 12:30 Central. Only on the Hub Network. Making Family Fun.''

* '''Transformers 4 July Marathon''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dzb56jIR7RI]
: ''Friday, July 4th. Celebrate the Transformers' 30th Anniversary with the Hub Network. "Lock and load." ''Featuring three decades of Transformers action-- "Roll out." ''All. Day. Long.'' "Let's go for it." "Brace yourselves." ''There's fireworks a plenty--'' "Boom." ''with the 4th of July Transformers Marathon. Friday, July 4th, starting at 11:00 AM Eastern, 10:00 AM Central. Only on the Hub Network.''
: Notes: this was a 2014 marathon featuring the re-titled ''[[The Transformers: The Movie|Transformers: The Animated Movie]]'', ''[[Predacons Rising (Prime)|Predacons Rising]]'', and various ''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots (cartoon)|Rescue Bots]]'' episodes.

[[File:MixableMashableHeroesCommercial.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
* '''Mixable, Mashable Heroes''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxzjaGFPSXM]
: ''Animation:'' [[Mr. Potato Head]] works on Optimus Prime in his garage when a transmission comes over the radio telling all Autobots to roll out. The two combine into [[Optimash Prime]].
: ''Narration:'' Unknown.
: ''Toy segment:'' Three boys mix and match Potato Head parts on a living room table.
: ''Mr. Potato Head is ready to save the day!''

* '''Season 3 Exclusive Preview''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IHKP0MO9_U]
: Premiered [[July 24]], [[2014]] at [[San Diego Comic-Con]]. The first 30 seconds features [[Blades (RB)|Blades]], [[Boulder]], [[Heatwave (RB)|Heatwave]], [[Chase (RB)|Chase]] and [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] transforming from vehicle mode to robot mode to dinosaur mode. The remaining 1:12 consists of various clips of Optimus Prime in dinosaur mode, set to an orchestral soundtrack.

[[File:RescueBotsOptimusPrimalCommercial.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
* '''Optimus Primal''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWxDDpyC8FA]
: ''Animation/Kidmation:'' Kidmation is back! The boy playing with his Optimus Primal toy, becomes a Rescue Bots animated version of himself and directs Optimus and Heatwave to "roar and rescue" Chase.
: ''Narration:'' Unknown.
: ''Toy Segment:'' A boy plays with [[Optimus Prime (WFC)/toys#Rescue Bots|Optimus Primal]] and [[Heatwave (RB)#electronicdinobottoy|Electronic Heatwave the Rescue Dinobot]] on a living room coffee table.
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== Bot Shots ==
=== 2012 ===
[[File:BotShotsOnlineBattleGameTeaserTrailer.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Round 1, FIGHT!]]
* '''Bot Shots Online Battle Game teaser trailer''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhQEQOzEzps]
: A CGI [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] and [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] are used to explain the mechanics of the Bot Shots game. Each "x beats y" combination of attacks is shown followed by Bumblebee beating up Starscream with the winning attack. There is no narration in this trailer.
: [Small bots.] [Big attitude.]

* '''Bot Shots''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCBARFhkDFI]
: ''Animation:'' CGI [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] collide in vehicle mode, then transform and battle. CGI Bumblebee and Starscream have their own confrontation. Bumblebee bursts through the end shot.
: ''Narration:'' Dynamic!
: ''Toy Segment:'' Two school lockers, with Autobot and Decepticon logos, shudder and shake. Two bookbags, that also have Autobot and Decepticons logos, bulge and glow with red and purple light. The lockers then glow and bulge themselves before a Bot Shot bursts out of each one. Bot Shots break out of the bookbags too, shooting through several full bookshelves before colliding. The Bot Shots from the lockers collide in a hallway. The announcer then describes the Bot Shots while their features are demonstrated on a table...somewhere.

[[File:BotShotsBattleForTheMatrixCommercial.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
* '''Battle For The Matrix''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMqbwoxMVt0]
: ''Animation:'' The same Optimus Prime/Megatron and Bumblebee/Starscream scenes from the previous ad. A live action segment has CGI Megatron goading Prime into a fight from the window of a neighboring house. Prime takes the bait and they charge at each other, ripping through the walls of the houses.
: ''Narration:'' Dynamic!
: ''Toy Segment:'' Demonstration of the Optimus Prime and Megatron figures battling and launching from their launchers.
: ''Notes:'' Megatron and Optimus Prime both have high pitched voices created via sped up playback. As a result both sound similar to Bumblebee whose voice has the same processing.
: "Hey you!" "Who me?" "Yeah, you! Bring it!" "Oh, let's do this!" "You want a piece of this?" "You got it!"

=== 2013 ===
* '''Dragon Track''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfuj72wsNNQ]
: ''Animation:'' Optimus Prime collides with Megatron, but this time it's the version of Megatron that comes with the [[Bot Shots (toyline)#Dragon Track|Dragon Track]]. A live action segment has startled onlookers witnessing [[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]] bursting through the door of a subway car in order to goad Optimus Prime into a fight. Being the macho idiot that he apparently he is in this universe, Prime takes the bait again and the two charge at each other.
: ''Narration:'' Dynamic!
: ''Toy Segment:'' The Dragon Track is demonstrated and the new moves it allows the Bot Shots to perform are highlighted.
: ''Notes:'' The ad also includes a plug for "bashing new beasts" at Transformers.com.
: "Hey Bot, it's go time!" "Oh yeah Beast? Bring it!"

== Fall of Cybertron ==
=== 2012 ===
[[File:FOCTeaserTrailerGrimlock.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|And here we see Yankee slugger Babe Ruth approaching home plate...]]
* '''Teaser Trailer''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhMsfJcQKSk]
: A series of black and white (with some red highlights) clips of Grimlock.

* '''Launch Trailer''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7yibXofJoM]
: Cybertron has been ravaged by the war between the Autobots and Decepticons. Optimus Prime realizes the planet can no longer sustain them and that only one transport remains. Megatron places the blame for the current situation on Prime. Both sides make plans to journey to another planet. One, according to Shockwave, that is [[Earth|primitive but rich in raw energy]]. Grimlock disagrees with the idea of escaping to another planet, preferring to stand and fight. Metroplex heeds the call of the "Last Prime".
: [The Fall Of Their World] [Is The Beginning Of Their Legend.]

[[File:FOCRetroOptimusPrimeTrailer.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
* '''Retro Optimus Prime trailer''' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFvFo7SpVzI]
: Starscream leads the Decepticons in an attack, only for G1 Optimus Prime to show up and [[The Touch|recreate a scene]] from [[The Transformers: The Movie]].

* '''Commercial''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFZrL0x63c8] (90 second) / [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baf0nYhmYgg] (30 second)
: Optimus Prime carries Bumblebee away from a battle. He stands over Bumblebee with Jazz and Ironhide, ready for a fight. Megatron stomps and smashes a generic Autobot. He commands the Combaticons to attack and they combine into Bruticus. Swoop and Slug transform and take off. They join the other Dinobots to take on Bruticus while Prime goes for Megatron. Megatron starts to gain the upper hand and goes for a killing blow. Before he can land it though, Prime calls upon Metroplex.
: [At The End Of Their World] [Their Last Stand Begins] [Experience The Battle] [That Changed Their Fate] [And Decided Our Future]

== Transformers: The Ride-3D ==
=== 2012 ===
* '''Teaser trailer''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-LE95WGDfc]
: After name checking the design team as the ones who brought you The Amazing Adventures of [[Spider-Man]] and [[King Kong]] 360 3-D, footage from the ride is shown. [[Evac (Ride)|Evac]] drives alongside a security fence before transforming and hopping over it. [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] kicks [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] in the back, knocking what looks like a canister out of Bee's hands and into Evac's. Megatron bursts out of a floor. [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]] grasps at thin air while falling from a building. [[Laserbeak (DOTM)|Laserbeak]] drags...something through a floor of an office building. [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] (speaking to the camera) congratulates some freedom fighters.
: ''Notes:'' Optimus Prime is not voiced by [[Peter Cullen]].
: [From the team that brought you The Amazing Adventures of Spider-Man] [King Kong 360 3-D] [And now] [Transformers The Ride-3D] [Ride it this May] "Well done, freedom fighters."

[[File:TransformersTheRide3DSuperbowlAdOptimus.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
* '''Super Bowl XLVI Commercial''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KorOHqxYSuo]
: Aired [[February 5]], [[2012]]. We appear to return to the broadcast of Super Bowl XLVI only to have the feed interrupted by a message from Optimus Prime. "Humans, you are in grave danger. The Decepticons have taken over, we need your help-" He is blasted then shoved out of the way by Megatron who "finishes" Optimus Prime's thought: "earthlings, and soon you will all perish!" The feed goes out as on screen text instructs us to "Prepare for Battle" and the narrator tells us to ride the attraction at Universal Studios.
: ''Notes:'' Peter Cullen reprises his role as Optimus Prime while [[Frank Welker]] supplies the voice of Megatron.

[[File:TransformersTheRide3DCommerical.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
* '''Commercial''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfCsnAI4IyA](Hollywood May 25)/[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu5i9YSH7VE](Orlando Now)
: A metal bar appears out of ice vapor. Megatron takes a swing at Optimus Prime and misses, slamming his fist into the ground. The metal bar rotates as more ice vapor eminates from the bar. Bumblebee rips a small Decepticon apart. A hand reaches for the metal bar. An unidentified arm ([[City of Steel (episode)|with the hand at the end of that arm holding a gun]]) moves towards [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]] and shoots him in the face. [[Grindor (ROTF)|Grindor]]? runs. The hand completes its grip on the bar. Two more hands grab the bar. Optimus Prime tries to restrain Megatron with a chain but Megs is able to fire his cannon at the camera anyway. The bar is revealed to be part of a theme park ride being held two men and a woman all wearing 3D glasses. Devastator sucks a car into his mouth.
: [Prepare] [For The Greatest] [Battle] [You'll Ever] [Ride] [Transformers The Ride-3D] ''Transformers: The Ride. Ride it. At Universal Studios Hollywood.''
: ''Notes:'' This ad came with either "Ride it [Month] [Day]" or "Ride it now" and was used for both Universal Studios Hollywood and Universal Resort Orlando.

* '''Radio ad''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-rOpJnxRHY]
: ''...for this, Universal Studios: Hollywood is offering their "Buy a day, get 2012 free" pass to the public for a limited time. You and your family can enjoy the park, or what remains of it, all year long for the price of one day. And experience your favorite rides again and again. Like the intense King Kong 360 3D and be able to return this May to live the exciting arrival of Transformers: The Ride - 3D. This offer ends April 29th, 2012 so we ask all civilians to hurry and purchase their annual pass today. This was an official message from the EDC, [[Earth Defense Command]] against the Decepticons. Black out dates and restrictions apply. Go to UniversalStudiosHollywood.com for details.''

[[File:TransformersTheRide3DSuperbowlAdMegatron.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
* '''Universal Resort Orlando Trailer''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHpmcRxPpd0]
: Optimus Prime delivers a warning about a Decepticon attack on Orlando and makes a plea for help from humankind, only to be interrupted by Megatron.
: "Humans, you are in grave danger. I, am Optimus Prime. I must warn you, that at this very moment the Decepticons are mobilizing to take over Orlando. Their plan is to destroy the human race. They will ravage your planet like they did our own, until it is consumed with death. But hope is not lost. We can rise against evil and defeat Megatron, but we cannot do it alone. Humans, we need your help to defend mankind ''before'' it is too late. Orlando, the time has come to prepare for battle-" "earthlings, and soon you will all perish."
: ''Notes:'' This is an extended and modified version of the message and interruption from the Super Bowl commercial. As such, [[Peter Cullen]] and [[Frank Welker]] voice Optimus Prime and Megatron respectively. The ride footage from the teaser trailer is tacked onto the end.

* '''Universal Studios Hollywood''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v49qrd6LN00]
: This is just the on screen text [Prepare For The Greatest Battle You'll Ever Ride] followed by an abbreviated version of the ride footage from the teaser trailer.
{{-}}

=== 2018 ===

* '''Peyton Manning: Vacation Quarterback''' [https://youtu.be/PlNoeTWSfe4?t=27s]
: Scene from an longer commercial, aired on [[February 4]], [[2018]] during the Super Bowl. While on vacation at Universal Studios with his family, {{w|Peyton Manning}} runs into Megatron, who Manning thinks [[Megatron (human)|used to play]] for [[Detroit]]. Megatron is sickened by the sight of Manning.

== Construct-Bots ==
=== 2013 ===
[[File:ConstructBotsCommercial.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
* '''Toy ad #1''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp5z6L9PVI8]
: ''Animation:'' [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] breaking out of his package; Bumblebee does the Cabbage Patch as [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] comes up behind him and knocks him down with a back legsweep. Megatron is quite amused by this until Bumblebee turns the table by stripping Megatron's parts off in a tornado of action, leaving him "naked". At the end, Bumblebee busts through the wall seen behind the Construct-Bots Bumblebee and [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] figures, does a somersault and then points at the camera: "Build ''your'' Bot!"
: ''Narration:'' [[Dynamic!]]
: ''Toy segment:'' The Bumblebee Construct-bot figure is built to robot mode, changed to vehicle mode and customized with parts from Soundwave.
: ''Notes:'' The narration switches from the narrator to Bumblebee without any change in voice. It's merely indicated by the animated Bumblebee's lips moving. Megatron's laugh, shriek and grunts are provided by an unknown voice actor. The animation was shared with the online video [[Switcheroo!]]
: ''Now, you can build your bot your way!''

* '''Toy ad #2''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6jE-bctjyg]
{{See also|Toys & App TV Commercial}}
: ''Animation:'' The Bumblebee breaking out of his package intro is re-used here. Bumblebee transforms into his jet mode and flies around. Much to his dismay he encounters Megatron trying to shoot him down. He is saved by [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] ramming into Megatron in truck mode. Megatron is hit so hard, he not only goes flying but all his armor flies off, once again leaving him "naked". Optimus Prime transforms to robot mode.
: ''Narration:'' [[Dynamic!]]
: ''Toy segment:'' The Construct-Bots app is demonstrated on a tablet PC. The Bumblebee figure is set down next to his package and that of Soundwave.
: ''Notes:'' Again, there is little to no distinction between the narrator voice and the Bumblebee voice. Megatron again has a laugh and shriek provided by an unknown actor. Thanks to the amount of animation and the app demonstration, the only actual toy footage is a seven second or so stretch of the Bumblebee figure being set down and then still visible on screen as CGI Bumblebee breaks through the wall, rolls forward and begins speaking to the camera.
: ''Unleash your ultimate Optimus Prime!''

* '''Cybertron Construction Zone on CartoonNetwork.com''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T4eKlJVSUA]
: ''Animation:'' None.
: ''Narration:'' Unknown.
: ''Toy segment:'' Optimus Prime and Megatron laying on circular platforms with their parts spread out around them. A CGI robotic camera analyzes them, and the connected computer system counts 67 pieces for Optimus Prime, 68 for Megatron and declares that there will be no mixing. A set of human hands builds Optimus Prime but finishes by adding Megatron's [[Insignia|faction symbol]], to the astonishment of the narrator. The computer starts to flip out, noting that "This is against protocol." The narrator tells the computer to relax then instructs kids (with the help of their parents) to go to [[Cartoon Network]]'s website to [[Construct-Bots Builder|"construct, customize and convert your own ultimate custom bots."]]
: ''Notes:'' The narrator refers to the camera/computer combo as 'Cyborg'.
: ''Should've tried that years ago.''

== Age of Extinction ==
{{main|Commercial/Age of Extinction}}

==Angry Birds Transformers==
===2014===
====Game====
[[File:AngryBirdsCinematicTrailer1.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*''Comic-Con trailer'' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExD-ZX-Z_Ds]
: Uploaded [[July 24]], 2014. [[Red (AB)|Red]] is deployed by [[Astrotrain (G1)|a familiar looking space shuttle]] onto a beach dotted with palms. He runs across the beach and into a jungle, taking out a trio of pigs as he goes. Red stops at the sight of a pile of rocks which transforms into a robot in order to attack him. Red tries to fight back but finds his attack to be ineffective. This prompts him to use a [[telepod]] to call in [[King Pig]] to help him. After defeating the robot, Red goes to shake Pig's hand. Pig does the old "pull hand away and slick back your hair" trick and then laughs at Red. Jerk.

[[File:AngryBirdsCinematicTrailer2.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Holy crap Prime. It's just a Taco Bell.]]
*''Cinematic trailer'' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lL_rOz2DUY]
: Uploaded [[August 29]], 2014. A comet?, streak of light? cross the universe and deposits the [[AllSpark#Angry Birds Transformers continuity family|AllSpark Egg]] onto a planet much like [[Earth|our own]]. The Angry Birds and Pigs race toward a standoff in a rocky, desert-like area. The Allspark egg turns them into the [[Autobird]]s and [[Deceptihog]]s. Nearby eggs are turned into the [[Eggbot (AB)|Eggbots]], who open fire on both groups. They also start turning rocks into automated gun turrets. Red and King Pig have a tense arm wrestling lockup which causes rocks to start flying. This is interrupted by the Eggbots who draw the Autobirds' full attentions. The Autobirds destroy the turrets and chase the Eggbots off towards a volcano.
{{Note|This trailer is an homage to the Season 1 [[title sequence]] of ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)|The Transformers]]'' complete with its own unique theme song (written in part by [[Vince DiCola]] himself) and the title text coming out from behind the volcano. The creators even went so far as to make the animation look like it's an authentic 1980's production ripped from a VHS tape with film defects and tracking issues.}}

*''Gameplay Trailer'' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejZmRyraq2g]
: Uploaded [[September 25]], 2014. A montage of gameplay footage.

*''Character trailers'' - Brief demos of the model for the highlighted character.
**"Red as Optimus Prime!": [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veUmALdUbfo]
**"Chuck as Bumblebee!": "[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzLL96i3WPs]
**"Hal as Grimlock!": [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svl_hrkIGAg]
**"Corporal Pig as Galvatron!": [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK0j9Bh2jCM]
**"Foreman Pig as Lockdown!": [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE_GNEGexxg]

*''Behind the scenes with Vince DiCola and Kenny Meriedeth!'' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LlkMgAQIkk]
: Uploaded [[August 29]], 2014. Vince DiCola and [[Kenny Meriedeth]] talk about what went into creating the soundtrack for [[Angry Birds Transformers (mobile game)|Angry Birds Transformers]].

* ''Launch trailer'' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp9MW6Yj0NA]
: Uploaded [[October 30]], 2014. A mixture of footage from the Cinematic trailer, the Gameplay trailer, and the Character trailers combined with footage of Angry Birds cosplayers at [[New York Comic Con#2014|New York Comic Con 2014]], set to the Angry Birds Transformers theme song. The soundtrack and the new ability to take a teammate into events are highlighted features.

====Toys====
{{stub}}

===2015===
====Game====
* ''Deceptihogs' Revenge'' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOLaQG34eSM]
: Uploaded [[January 14]], 2015. Optimus Prime Bird and Megatron Pig fist-bump as they drive up to the EggSpark. Megatron Pig reaches it first, and is entranced by its glow. Optimus Prime reaches out to him to be helped up... But Megatron Pig laughs maniacally in his face as the EggSpark upgrades him into Dark Megatron Pig! Dark Megatron Pig kicks Optimus Prime Bird away, and returns to the Deceptihogs' lair. He is followed by the Autobirds, who burst in to find... The Deceptihogs using the EggSpark as a dancelight.
{{Note|This trailer is a sort of "sequel" to the Cinematic Trailer detailed above, animated in the same style. The gameplay footage highlights the "Deceptihogs' Revenge" update.}}

* ''Best Buddies'' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnCsp0bVv6g]
: Uploaded [[April 28]], 2015. Bumblebee Bird faces off against a swarm of flying Pigbots, barely holding his own... then spots Heatwave Bird relaxing nearby in a hammock. Perplexed, he goes up to his friend for help, but Heatwave Bird is uninterested... until a stray shot blows off the little umbrella from his drink. Heatwave Bird blows up the Deceptihogs with one shot, before going back to nursing his drink.

* ''Arcee and Airachnid join the team!'' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwEBZB9mcVs]
: Uploaded [[May 21]], 2015. Arcee Bird does some heavy-lifting at the gym. As she finishes up, she walks by Galvatron Pig, spotting Megatron Pig at a nearby weight station. Galvatron Pig is distracted by Arcee Bird, and picks up her discarded lollypop, while Megatron Pig struggles with the weight he attempted to lift. Airachnid Bird does some yoga stretches, surrounded by japanese lanterns... but gets her leg stuck behind her neck. She hops past Megatron Pig, now at a punching bag. Optimus Prime Bird jogs across the countryside, and meets with Arcee Bird, Airachnid Bird, and Megatron Pig. They jump up in cheer together. Freezeframe.

* ''Meet Bluestreak and Prowl!'' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMnFZn16BV8]
: Uploaded [[July 15]], 2015. Optimus Prime Bird and Arcee Bird are on the run from some Flying Pigbots! Arriving at a cliff edge, they try to fight back, only to find that they are out of ammo. They duck behind a boulder for cover... And are rescued by Bluestreak Bird, teleporting in! Elsewhere, Heatwave Bird and Bumblebee Bird are driving by when... Aww, someone taped over this part with some gameplay footage!
{{Note|This trailer is yet another one made to look as though it was ripped fram a VHS tape. In keeping with the theme, a short portion of another "commercial" can be seen before the Angry Birds: Transformers" footage begins.}}

* ''Introduction to Energonicons'' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r13C9W01Re8]
: Uploaded [[July 24]], 2015. Nick from the Angry Birds Transformers team covers the subject of "Energonicons," a new feature included in the game as of its "1.6" update.

* ''Introduction to Crafting'' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCZFTlNLQ68]
: Uploaded [[July 27]], 2015. Nick from the Angry Birds Transformers team covers the subject of "Crafting" a new feature included in the game as of its "1.6" update.

* ''Introduction to Bluestreak'' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7Tr_nY_ruw]
: Uploaded [[July 27]], 2015. Nick from the Angry Birds Transformers team covers the subject of new character "Bluestreak" an addition to the game as of its "1.6" update.

== Hero Mashers ==
[[File:HeroMashersCommercial.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|No more, Optimus Prime! Grant me mercy, I beg of you! Use a breath mint!]]
=== 2014 ===
* '''Hero Mashers''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EmoVsaUkiM]
: ''Animation:'' Megatron battles it out on city street with Optimus Prime, Bumblebee and Grimlock. The three Autobots swap parts all the while and Prime borrows a few of Megs' parts at one point.
: ''Narration:'' Unknown.
: ''Toy segment:'' None.
: ''Notes:'' This ad continues the long history of music in Transformers commercials. This time however, it isn't a rap. It's a parody of "The Hokey Pokey".
: (Briskly, to the tune of "The Hokey Pokey") ''Optimus stumbles upon, pieces of Megatron. He tries them on for size, and they all fit to his surprise. More powerful than ever, enemies meet their demise, that's what it's all about. Autobots combine, Megatron's missiles miss. Using Grimlock's arms, they stop him with a dino fist. Taking bad guys down is easy, when you're mashing that with this. That's what it's all about.

== Battle Masters ==
[[File:BattleMastersCommercial.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Now boys, fight clean. No rough stuff. None of this. Or this. Or this. Or like so. Or this. Or this. Or this. You understand?]]
=== 2014 ===
* '''Battle Masters''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPRA1nyMfvg]
: ''Animation:'' [[Optimus Prime (Battle Masters)|Optimus Prime]] sits in his locker room, pumping himself up to fight [[Megatron (Battle Masters)|Megatron]]. After the fight, Prime hoists the title above a defeated Megatron.
: ''Narration:'' Unknown.
: ''Toy segment:'' Two boys play with the Battle Masters in the center of a boxing ring.
: ''Welcome to Fight Night.''
: This commercial was animated by [[Clockwork VFX]]

* '''Battle Masters Fight Night''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsQwKJN39Jg]
: An ad for a three day promotion for the [[Battle Masters mobile game]] where if a player beat the tournament, they would unlock the Brazen Brawler, [[Knockout (Battle Masters)|Knockout]]. The promotion ran from [[August 15]] to [[August 17]], [[2014]].

== Robots in Disguise (2015) ==
=== 2014 ===
* '''Exclusive First Look''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwsLeDPQCvA]
: Premiered [[July 24]], [[2014]] at [[San Diego Comic-Con]]. Features clips from ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|Robots In Disguise]]'' set to a techno track without any dialogue or sound effects.

* '''Season 1 trailer''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KjHtPfhHCg]
: Uploaded [[October 7]], 2014 to the Hasbro Studios YouTube channel. Presented on [[October 9]], 2014 at [[New York Comic Con]].
: ''Get ready...for a new mission...with a new team...and a new leader. Coming in 2015...a new team will roll out. Transformers: Robots in Disguise. Coming in 2015.''

* '''Bumblebee's Mission''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3qOX6p2xR4]
: Uploaded October 9, 2014 to the Hasbro Studios YouTube channel. A 3 minute clip of [[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]]'s team talking him into letting them help with his mission.

* '''Masters of Destruction''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgi7O-ycjuI]
: Uploaded October 9, 2014 to the Hasbro Studios YouTube channel. The Autobots take on [[Bisk (RID)|Bisk]].

===2015===
* '''Season 1 trailer #2''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_xFCPPbkUs]
: Uploaded [[February 23]], [[2015]] to the Official Transformers Channel.
: "I need you on Earth Bumblebee." "Optimus!" "We could be looking at a Decepticon army trying to take this planet." "Ready for your backup plan, sir." "I don't have one!" "Why don't we just start punchin' and see how it turns out?" "If we're gonna wrap these fugitives up, we need to be robots in disguise." "Woah." ''Transformers: Robots in Disguise. A brand new series. Only on Cartoon Network.''

* '''Series Premiere''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAb-J-EMk1U]
: Aired [[March 14]], [[2015]].
: "Playtime's over." ''The Transformers have a new mission.'' "And I'm stranded on Earth with two teenagers." ''Catch every fugitive Decepticon on Earth and get them back into their cells.'' "I could eat the whole planet. Just the crunchy parts." ''But it's not gonna be easy...'' "Roll up and roll out! I'll work on that last part." ''Transformers: Robots In Disguise. One hour series premiere. Tonight at six, five Central. On Cartoon Network.''

* '''One Step and Three Step Changers''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXhJWFTS2ks]
:Uploaded [[February 20]], 2015 to the Official Transformers Channel.
: ''Animation:'' CGI Bumblebee pulls into a parking lot near a beach as [[Steeljaw (RID)|Steeljaw]] pops out of some sand behind a live action boy. Bumblebee battles Steeljaw, eventually tossing him into the ocean.
: ''Narration:'' Standard RID 2015 Guy
: ''Toy segment:'' Live action kid transforming One Step Steeljaw and Three Step Bumblebee.
: ''Notes:'' Bumblebee's voice is provided by [[Will Friedle]].
:* '''One Step and Three Step Changers with Warrior Class Optimus Prime'''
: An edited version of the commercial above, featuring a brief clip of [[:File:Transformers-RID2015-spring-CM-ver-2-Optimus-Prime.jpg|Warrior Class Optimus Prime]].
: ''Notes:'' This [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] features unpainted thighs.
:* '''One Step and Three Step Changers''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOvHl0OGNqU]
: An edited version of the original commercial, featuring One Step Grimlock instead of Steeljaw. The ending shot also is replaced with a new one, showcasing One Step Grimlock and Sideswipe (the second mold), Warrior Optimus Prime and Strongarm, and Three Step Bumblebee and Thunderhoof.
:''Get on the action fast with One-Step, and Three Step Changers! And: Convert your favorite heroes with Warriors!''

* '''Mega Optimus Prime'''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owcaYg2OnEE]
: Uploaded [[June 16]], 2015 to the Official Transformers Channel.
: ''Animation'': Optimus Prime takes on [[Divebomb (RID)|Divebomb]], [[Airazor (RID)|Airazor]], and [[Fracture (RID)|Fracture]] in their rampage.
: ''Narration:'' Standard RID 2015 Guy
: ''Toy segment:'' Kid in yellow hoodie transforms Optimus Prime after driving him through a diorama.
: ''Notes:'' Optimus Prime's voice is not provided by [[Peter Cullen]].
:''Mega Optimus Prime converts fast in 3 Steps, from bot to battle!''

* '''Deployers: 'Mini-Con'''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVqc6Wifs-o]
: Uploaded August ?? 2015.
: ''Animation:'' None, apart from CGI manufacturing robot arms manipulating toys into place for the end shot.
: ''Narration:'' Standard RID 2015 Guy
: ''Toy segment'': Two kid scientists demonstrates the "science" of the Deployer gimmick, but only ended up fighting with their respective deployers when the kid from the left accidentally knocked off their ''only beaker''.
: ''Notes:'' When the camera pans out to show the two kids fighting across the table, there's no sign of the beaker anywhere.
: ''Oh yeah, now that's science!''

* '''Deployers''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BbcQTNPsPg] (30-second version)
: Uploaded September 20, 2015.
: ''Animation:'' Three different segments: [[Drift_(RID)|Drift]] deploys [[Jetstorm (RID)|Jetstorm]]; Fracture deploys Airazor and [[Divebomb (RID)|Divebomb]]; Drift deploys both Jetstorm and [[Slipstream (RID)]] and Fracture deploys his Mini-cons leading to a clash. Only the aftermath of the clash is seen with the Autobots standing tall over, and in the case of the Mini-cons standing tall on, the Decepticons.
: ''Narration:'' Standard RID 2015 Guy
: ''Toy segment:'' Two boys duel with Drift, Fracture and their Min-cons in a diorama.
: ''Notes:'' Diorama is the same one used for the Mega Optimus Prime ad.
:''Convert, Load, and Launch Mini-cons!''

* '''Super Bumblebee''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT-9ZCgOhAk] (15-second version) / [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiTpA1zsWHI] (30-second version)
: Uploaded August 23, 2015.
:''Animation'': Steeljaw approaches Bumblebee, and bee transforms himself into a ''bigger'' bot, and then plays Steeljaw like a toy.
: ''Toy segment'': A boy drives Bumblebee through a scenic diorama before transforming him. His scale with other figures and electronic features are also demonstrated.
: ''Notes:'' The diorama is the same as the previous commercial.
:''Super Bumblebee: converts fast!''

* '''McDonald's Happy Meal''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0saCzXCR8k]
: Happy Meal box A pulls out a Yoplait GoGurt tube from behind his back, much to the delight of a second Happy Meal box. Happy Meal box B spins the GoGurt (and thereby also twists the arm of box A) like an airplane propeller. This causes box A to fly around like an airplane, eventually knocking down box B from behind. After B gets up and sees A fly away again, Bumblebee shows up. B hops into Bee's driver seat and starts pressing all around Bumblebee's interior touch screen controls, triggering his transformation. Once transformed, Bee is tickled by the Happy Meal box banging around inside him, trying to get out. Box B eventually manages to pop out of a hatch behind Bumblebee's head, and the zaniness of the whole thing gives both of them a good laugh. Box A flies through the still shot of the actual toys just before his arm propeller runs out of steam and he crashes.

* '''Exhibit at The Children's Museum of Indiana''' [https://youtu.be/psXk7_r_yHE]
: Optimus Prime narrates, appealing to the citizens of Earth to join [[Autobot|his team]] to defend the Earth from the Decepticons, who have been sighted near the museum. This narration accompanies various shots of the exhibit being enjoyed by children and their parents.
: ''Notes:'' Optimus Prime's narration is provided by his usual cartoon voice actor, [[Peter Cullen]].
: "Citizens of Earth, Decepticons have been sighted at the children's museum. We need you to join our team. Are you Autobot or Decepticon? Where do you stand? You must choose. You must prepare yourself to explore our world. Train the young. Design new Transformers characters. To protect the Allspark, join me Optimus Prime, to defend Earth." "Transformers: Robots In Disguise, at the Children's Museum of Indianapolis. Open now."

===2016===

* '''Power Surge Optimus Prime''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkSXc6Nyewg]
: Uploaded September 1, 2016.
: ''Animation:'' [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]] lands in front of house where a boy comes out to defend it with his Power Surge Optimus Prime figure on a stormy night. Starscream then recoils in fear as [[Aerobolt]] being snapped onto the toy chest and activating its gimmicks causes the real Optimus Prime to show up.
: ''Narration:'' [[Peter Cullen]] with the Standard RID 2015 Guy doing the figure description at the end.
: ''Toy segment:'' Live action boy, flipping back the cab portion of the toy, then attaching Aerobolt to Prime's chest to trigger his pop-out wings and cannons.
:''When evil casts its shadow, step into the light to power up and be more than meets the eye.''

* '''Power Surge Bumblebee''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hRyIz-3_hk]
: Uploaded September 19, 2016.
: ''Animation:'' [[Thunderhoof (RID)|Thunderhoof]] transforms in the middle of a downtown intersection with a number of humans looking on. One of them, a young boy, steps up and holds his Power Surge Bumblebee figure up to Thunderhoof. This prompts the Decepticon to laugh and point at the child. The boy snaps [[Buzzstrike]] to the figure's chest to power it up. Thunderhoof is not swayed and continues laughing until he notices the real Bumblebee is standing behind him with Buzzstrike in-hand.
: ''Narration:'' Peter Cullen with the Standard RID 2015 Guy doing the figure description at the end.
: ''Toy Segment:'' Boy transforms Buzzstrike to chestplate mode and attaches him to Bumblebee.
:''Some forces will always try to stop you, but you have a choice. Power up and be more than meets the eye.''

* '''McDonald's Happy Meal''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcghgJtUzkU]
: Four kids sit on the front steps of a house, eating their [[McDonald's]] Happy Meal. One kid pulls out a robot mode Optimus Prime figure, which is strangely not bagged, from his Happy Meal box. As he shouts "Whoa, cool!", one of the other kids pulls out a robot mode Steeljaw figure. A third kid then shouts "You're outnumbered now, Optimus Prime!" as he holds up his robot mode Thunderhoof figure. Kid number four takes a bite out of his McNugget and nods knowingly at kid number one. After the still shot of the four toys, we find out that in an incredible coincidence kid four got vehicle mode Bumblebee. He asks "Who's out numbered now?" and flicks the toy forward. As the toy leaves the frame, it's replaced by a yellow Chevy Camaro that the four boys take to be the [[Bumblebee (Movie)|real-life Bumblebee]]

{{stub|Promos for the cartoon}}
{{-}}

===2017===

* '''Combiner Force: When Bots Collide''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlU2yNP1Gt0]
* Uploaded January 6, 2017.
: ''Animation:'' CG Optimus Prime & [[Strongarm (RID)|Strongarm]] collide and combine into Primestrong in a Southwestern U.S. desert. This happens behind a boy doing the same with his action figures.
: ''Narration:'' Unknown.
: ''Toy Segment:'' The animation segment is revealed to be a figment of the boy's imagination as a pan out from his eye shows him playing with the Combiner Force toys at what appears to be a picnic table.
:''Crash! and combine forces to become more than meets the eye! Now you can have the power to turn two, into one with new Robots in Disguise Crash Combiners ...and Activators.''

{{-}}

== Combiner Wars ==
===2015===
[[File:Transformers-Combiner-Wars-Commercial-Superion.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Transformers Generations: Combiner Wars''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy-n-pzrJvI] (30-second version) / [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUXbTUKK6W4] (15-second version)
:Uploaded June 28, 2015 to the Official Transformers Channel.
:''Animation:'' A head shot of [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] talking about the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]], while said team flies to the city to stop the rampaging [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]]. The Aerialbots combine to form [[Superion (G1)|Superion]], and they battle against the Decepticon gestalt.
: ''Toy Segment:'' The Aerialbots are combined into Superion, who faces off with Menasor.
: ''Notes:'' Powerglide only shows up in the toy segment after Superion is formed.

*'''Transformers Generations: Combiner Wars: Defensor''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3Mv1lNDMhg]
:''Animation:'' Same as the first Combiner Wars ad but with scenes featuring the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] and [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]] replacing those that featured the Aerialbots and Superion.
:''Notes:'' Groove is not present on the first scene of the Protectobot's alt modes, and he later appears to form Defensor's chest.

*'''Transformers Generations: Combiner Wars: Sky Reign''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKQXMwiE69k] (23-second version) / [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn7tZTWrDJE] (19-second version)
:''Animation:'' An abbreviated version of the animation from the first two Combiner Wars ads, featuring Menasor and Superion as the combiners. Optimus Prime's lines have been shortened as well. This time, instead of referring to any specific Transformers (himself included), he merely says "Six Decepticons have formed a massive combiner. Autobots, you have the power to combine." The animation from the end of the commercial has been omitted completely.
:''Toy Segment:'' [[Sky Reign]] is formed and placed in a faceoff against [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]].
:''Courage is stronger when combined!''

*'''Transformers Generations: Combiner Wars: Devastator trailer''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CELuyLdOg4]
: ''Animation:'' Excerpts from [[The Transformers (cartoon)|The Transformers]].
: ''Notes:'' The trailer is composed of text narration interspersed with snippets of the G1 cartoon and still frames of Devastators' various comic appearances all set to a background techno rock track. The cartoon snippets are occasionally accompanied by re-dubbed dialogue, presumably to avoid paying royalties for the use of the original voice actors' performances.
: ''The '''original''' combiner was made of | TOUGH STUFF | His return from G-1 [sic] | Has been 30 years in the making'' "Constructicons, merge into Dev-a-sta-tor." ''And now | We bring you'' "Devastator is back!" ''Devastator''
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== Titans Return ==
===2016===
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*'''Transformers Generations: Titans Return''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBYZ_6Q2kd8] (15-Second Fortress Maximus version) / [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfSTaOAyRc8] (15-second Powermaster Optimus Prime verison)
:''Animation:'' Sentinel Prime and Blurr transforming into robots with their Titan Masters forming their heads, with Fortress Maximus appearing from behind.
:''Toy Segment:'' There are two variants of the commercial, one where "You can even control Powermaster Optimus Prime!" and one where "You can even control Fortress Maximus!" In either case, the respective Transformer has their head plugged in and then is shown in their alternate mode.
:''Notes:'' The commercial was first seen in Cybertron Con 2016.
:''On Cybertron, the ancient Titans has returned!''

===2017===
*'''Transformers: Titans Return - "More than Meets the Eye"''' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM_0jMmkIio]
:''Animation:'' Sawback replaces Diac as Optimus Prime's head, then he shoots at Megatron, who dodges, then Fangry becomes his head and he stomps the ground, making a quake Optimus dodges. Hot Rod runs by, Ptero becomes his head and then he transforms.
:''Toy Segment:'' Diac is detached from Optimus Prime and transformed into robot mode, then Sawback is plugged in his place. Ending shot shows Optimus Prime, Hot Rod and Sawback.
:''On Cybertron, Titan Masters enhance Optimus Prime's Fireblast, Megatron's Strength and Hot Rod's Speed!''
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== The Last Knight ==
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== Power of the Primes ==
*'''Transformers: Power of the Primes''' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMziLNsacoI] (15-second version) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXtMR-jiUNY] (20-second version)
:''Animation:'' Micronus lands on Cybertron. Jazz escapes from Starscream's attacks, then Micronus comes out and boosts Jazz's power.
:''Toy Segment:'' Starscream lands and aims at Jazz and Micronus. Micronus is pulled out from his [[Prime Master|Decoy Armor]] and placed inside Jazz's chest armor.
:''Notes:'' In the 15 seconds version, the final shot shows Beachcomber alongside the three aforemented characters.
:''Unleash the Prime to become more than meets the eye!''

*'''Transformers: Power of the Primes Optimus Prime and Rodimus Prime''' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBPUi8aksB4]
:''Toy Segment:'' A kid asks to some super computer how Optimus and Rodimus became Primes. The computer answers that Orion Pax and Hot Rod became them by the power of the Matrix. The kid transforms the two Leader Class toys of them, pulls out Optimus's Matrix and inserts Rodimus's into his placement.
:''Notes:'' Multiple scenes from the 1986 movie are shown in the super computer's screen.

== Studio Series ==
*'''Transformers Studio Series''' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95Sp8a_TpHg]
:''Animation:'' Brief clip of Bumblebee transforming from the first movie.
:''Toy Segment:'' Bumblebee, Ratchet and Optimus Prime are set in front of the cardboard backdrops included with them.
:''Discover the moments and bring home the characters that defined a generation! You set the stage with Transformers Studio Series.''

*'''Transformers Studio Series''' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQCgOcalodA]
:''Animation:'' Same as above.
:''Toy Segment:'' Same as above, but Blackout replaces Ratchet.

== Cyberverse ==
*'''Action Attackers''' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOTHF3QWBM4] (20-second version) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyCpyIMe0SE] (15-second version)
:''Toy Segment:'' A kid transforms [[Bumblebee (Cyberverse)|Bumblebee]] and gasps at the activation of his car mode gimmick. He then transforms [[Grimlock (Cyberverse)|Grimlock]] too and activates his fire-breathing gimmick, and this time Bumblebee pokes out from behind the sofa to gasp at it in unison with the kid.
:''"WHOA" is right. Feel that thrill. There's always more than meets the eye! GET MORE WHOA with new Transformers Cyberverse Action Attackers!''
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