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==Naming Issues==
I wouldn't mind not increasing traffic to that, um, non-Transformers related website. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:18, 30 May 2009 (EDT)
:Well, Critical Name Research Failure ''is'' the sort of thing we tend to find news-worthy, and I'm not sure how else to cite it... --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:27, 30 May 2009 (EDT)
::As a side note, at least as of today this wiki page has pulled ahead of the, shall we say, "original" Nexus Maximus page. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 05:24, 4 August 2009 (EDT)

So..... ummm in the Club comics he is a Prime now (Nexus Prime) ....... there goes all the jokes.... ho huh........ [[User:Protoman|Protoman]] 12:07, 27 September 2009 (EDT)
: Source please. Let's make this better, £5 if it's not leaked.[[User:Metal Gear NOIZE|Metal Gear NOIZE]] 14:26, 27 September 2009 (EDT)
::Er, his source is probably just what he said it was: the club comics. Specifically Reunification: Part 5, which according to the TFCC webpage the first-class subscribers should be getting right now. (As a lowly third-classer, I have to wait.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 14:30, 27 September 2009 (EDT)

::::Yup 's from the mag. And to officially raise the question, didn't we establish that "in fiction" names trump "on package" names for the wiki? That would mean this should move, Yes? (Or does unintentionally hilarious names trump in fiction names?) --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 07:29, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::I'd speculate that, hilarious name or no, they were probably always intending to call him "Nexus Prime" in the story itself (since being one of the 13, he should ''be'' a Prime), and just had to make a concession for the toy since Hasbro are persnickity about what "Prime" gets put on. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:29, 28 September 2009 (EDT)

:::::I always thought it was the other way around... toy trumps fiction as the official name. (Or is that only for which franchise to put people in?) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 09:05, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::Naw, it's always been fiction-first. "Beast Changer", and all that. I don't think we have anyone at their toy-name if they have a different in fiction. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:19, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Yup, fiction trumps toys for us, always has. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:19, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::That's... not true, really, otherwise we wouldn't have "[[Brawl (Movie)]]" or "[[Jolt (Movie)]]", neither of which I think should be moved. It's just exceedingly rare for the circumstances to arise where a toy is named first then the later fiction decides to name them something else (or, well, Brawl's bizarre case). In almost every instance, the fiction goes with the names pre-set by the toys, since ''in most instances'' the toys come first and fiction is crafted around it. Toys of characters developed for fiction first are a fairly recent and still pretty rare occurrence, and obviously, they're going to shoot for the name the character was given first when they name the toy. Nexus here, we know the backstory that they always wanted "Nexus Prime", and Hasbro's recent reluctance to "water down" the Prime designation, so the current name here I'm okay with. It's not a 100% every-time rule... it's just ''generally'' the way naming works in this franchise based on real-world chronology... which I consider the bigger trump card, and even that's not absolute. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:06, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::You are of course correct. I guess the actual policy is something more akin to 'the most prominent name for the character,' taking toys and fiction and out of universe info into account.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 22:19, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Not particularly - surely, to pick one example, [[Overhaul (Cybertron)]] would be at [[Leobreaker]] if that was the case, yes? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 23:34, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::What if the wiki were more flexible where you didn't have to pick one name to be the most prominent to be the name of the article. There would be a list of valid names and whatever one you searched for or linked from would appear at the top of the article with a list of other valid names directly below it. That would be cool. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:59, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::::You mean like, if there were some way where if you typed in "Leobreaker" you were somehow... redirected... to Overhaul? My god, it's brilliant. :D [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 10:42, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::I believe he's looking more for something like typing in "Leobreaker" and you'd be directed to Overhaul's page, but "Leobreaker" would still show as the page title, with "Overhaul" and any other redirects listed below it. Having the page title change like that isn't really that good an idea, though. When you get redirected, there's already a note at the top saying so, indicating that the wiki didn't ignore what you typed. As for having all the page redirects listed...well, what for? If you've already found the page, you don't need them. They'd just take up space, I'd think.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 11:07, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::Uh, no, I meant what I said. Meaning "if we went purely on prominence, surely the Overhaul page should be moved to Leobreaker" (and I was using that as '''an''' example, not as the only example. There are other pages at perhaps less-prominent-but-later names). - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 17:25, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

::::::::::::::Yes, there is a little note saying that you were redirected, like from "Leobreaker" to "Overhaul" but that doesn't stop big discussions as to the all-important big name at the top of the article. It forces the wiki to take a stance as to which name is more prominent. The list of other names is to immediately let the reader who is on the "Leobreaker" page know that there is not also a separate "Overhaul" page. It might not be practical, but it would allow the wiki to be more neutral to such things. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:40, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::I don't know what possible benefit we would get from this.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:50, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::I do. We'd never have to argue about which name takes primacy. Do we file Animated [[Wasp]] under Wasp or Waspinator? Doesn't matter, whichever you type in is what the name on the top of the page says. Nexus Prime or Nexus Maximus? Doesn't matter. Elita-1 or Blackarachnia? V.V.H. or Variable Voltage Harness? Brigadoon or Flying island? Optimus Prime or Orion Pax or Optronix? As long as there's no debate about whether a name is valid or not, then we can avoid a lot of handwringing by making a little code. I think it's a great idea. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:05, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::::Regardless of how beneficial or not it would be, I don't think it would even be possible, since the wiki database uses the title of an article in storing it, and I doubt there's any way to feasibly tie redirects to a main article in terms of rewriting the HTML. I have a feeling it'd be a lot more than just "a little code". You'd pretty much have to rewrite the database schema itself to enable it to store aliases of some sort for a page. And then I'm not sure how you could make it so that redirects=stored as aliases.
:::::::::::::::::But IANAP (I Am Not a Programmer), so take this with a few grains of salt. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:22, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

Nexus Prime seems to be his true form, does that mean he is like the opposite of a combiner, a disassemble-er? Instead of the minds of several Transformers gestalting into one, his mind fractures into five? Oh, and I vote for the move. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:14, 28 September 2009 (EDT)

Remember, we have a 30-day grace period enforced before we add Club Magazine material. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:06, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
:Correct, but surely this doesn't extend to something as simple as rectifying a name?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:15, 28 September 2009 (EDT)

The link at the bottom, "posted an image" leads to a password protected site. [[Special:Contributions/76.252.60.224|76.252.60.224]] 01:16, 19 June 2010 (EDT)
: We are well aware. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:26, 19 June 2010 (EDT)

==Official Configuration==
"Fun Publications stated at BotCon 2009 that the official limb arrangement for Nexus Prime is that of the configuration in his instructions. With Landquake as the right arm, Topspin as the left arm, Breakaway as the right leg, and Skyfall as the left leg. Why he was depicted in a different arrangement in the caverns around the Caretaker no one knows."

Considering that his comic setup ended up being Landquake=right arm, Topspin=right leg, Breakaway=left arm, Skyfall=left leg, and I don't have access to his instructions or BotCon 09 info, I have no idea if this is an editing goof on our part (and the BotCon 09/instruction info needs fixing), or if ''both'' the BotCon 09/instruction setup and the Caretaker setup ended up not matching the comic. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:47, 11 February 2010 (EST)
:Wouldn't this note be better put in the toy description? Not to mention redoing the photo to actually match it. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:50, 11 February 2010 (EST)

== Link ==

I really think the link to the site the "orriginal" Nexus Maximus is sold should be removed. Any child could come here and click it.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 18:46, 10 April 2011 (EDT)
: Any young child on the Internet should be under direct supervision. If not, then they get to learn something neat. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:54, 10 April 2011 (EDT)
:There's a disclaimer. That should suffice. What are you, the morality police? First Knock Out, now this. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:55, 10 April 2011 (EDT)
::I can't wait for them to find the Kiss Player stuff! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:57, 10 April 2011 (EDT)
:::I believe I actually bolded the "not safe for work" part a few weeks ago due to similar concerns. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:56, 11 April 2011 (EDT)
::::I have absolutely no way of saying this without incriminating myself, but the, erm, item in question is discontinued anyway. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 14:50, 18 February 2013 (EST)

== HOW Do We Work This? ==

So... Exiles/Aligned Nexus has a lot of Facets of his appearance, nature, components and all that DO NOT match up to the version we see in the Fun Pub stuff. I know we're keeping the Thirteen to the one page cause of the singularity stuff. (Even if that doesn't apply to Aligned). So my question is... Is everyone OK if I pull all the Fun Pub Specific stuff down from the opening to the appropriate fiction section and then add the Exiles stuff to that fiction section. That seems the way we'll have to go if we want to keep them one page AND want the opening bio to be universal and continuity non-specific which is what we shoot for. Yes?--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 15:10, 11 October 2011 (EDT)
:I'm wondering if we need separate pages for (Prime) Clocker, Mainspring, Chaindrive, Pinion, and Cannonspring. I mean, [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]] and friends had several years worth of Fun Pub stories to develop as individuals, not to mention their own toys / images that could fill up their pages. Nexus Prime's (Prime) components, though, only appeared in this single novel, as varying levels of background character, with little to no description of their appearances or even alt modes. Is there anything about them that couldn't just be contained in the ''Exiles'' fiction section, with some redirects? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 16:20, 18 November 2011 (EST)
::The individual components have their own names and they did things in fiction. I think they deserve their own pages. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:29, 18 November 2011 (EST)

==Split==
Nexus Prime from the pre-Aligned multiverse and Nexus Prime from Exiles are different characters and should have been split long ago. Just because it took us forever to concede that Alpha Trion needed to be split doesn't mean splitting Nexus Prime should be dragged out forever. -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 10:43, 25 October 2014 (EDT)
:Where would IDW Nexus go in that case, though? He (obviously) couldn't go on the Aligned article, but yet he's also not a multiversal demi-god directly born to Primus. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 11:33, 25 October 2014 (EDT)
::The real answer is "then probably none of them are actually multiversal singularities and without Aaron in charge that will continue to be the case", but the softer, less-feelings-hurty version is "there are separate Nexus-Prime-the-singularity and Nexus-Prime-the-early-combiner-leader-guy" characters, much like there are two Megatrons in the G1 continuity, one from long before the other. -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 12:01, 25 October 2014 (EDT)
:::Yeah, this is most likely the best approach at this point. Although I would really hate to see this impact Unicron and Primus' articles too, mostly because they're concepts like Energon and the Matrix that exist throughout TF history. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:07, 25 October 2014 (EDT)
::::Yeah, in this post-Archer era, I'd be happy with splitting every member of the Thirteen by continuity family (as Alpha Trion is now), and just noting how the multiversal singularity thing used to be true. The only complication would be the ones like Nexus where their multiversal-ness was actually embraced in fiction and you couldn't easily say "this is the Nexus Prime from the ____ continuity family." [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:17, 25 October 2014 (EDT)

::::@Escargon: Not really. There are years before any of those bar energon showed up (note even the infamous scan of Optimus' internals in the pre-TFTM G1 cartoon that so clearly failed to show the Matrix), and there was the cartoon origin for the TFs that so clearly had no Primus, and an entirely unrelated origin for Unicron. Even energon was initially just the Decepticons fuel of choice in the cartoon that could be made from anything (Autobots didn't use it until TFTM, and had never heard of it at first! It was ages before any form of it showed up in the Marvel Comics, and even then it never became predominant). Everything else is retcon that tries to prevail some current idea over what was actually said at the time.
::::<nowiki>*is slightly</nowiki> surprised that, in that spirit, no-one tried to link [[energy crystal]]s and [[energon crystal]]s post-Beast Wars...* - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 12:35, 25 October 2014 (EDT)
:::::Well, yeah, I know that, I was attempting to say in reference to that they're importance and relevance to the history of the brand has been mostly unchanged throughout their duration of it, beyond examples like the ones you mentioned. Unicron and Primus still have the same basic concept in Aligned as they do in most of everything else and it seems unecessary to me to split them. Hopefully that makes some kind of sense. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 14:11, 25 October 2014 (EDT)
::::::Has they stayed the same any more than ''any other'' thing which Keeps Turning Up? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 15:04, 25 October 2014 (EDT)

I just want to say that with the exception of slightly problematic issue of Alpha Trion's inclusion, I see absolutely no conflict between the way the IDW Thirteen have been presented and their being the same ol' multiversal singularities. No, they are not presented as "multiversal demi-gods directly born to Primus," but that is no different than how any of the singularities are presented in stories that aren't ''about'' the multiverse. I see no reason not to think "this is what the Thirteen did when they came to this particular dimension." --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 14:18, 25 October 2014 (EDT)
:"...with the exception of..." In other word, you do see a conflict. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 15:04, 25 October 2014 (EDT)
::Not in the overall presentation of IDW's 13, is the main point. Alpha Trion being a singularity yet somehow having a Shattered Glass counterpart is a Thing That Would Need Explaining Hint Hint FunPub Writers, but that's it --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:22, 25 October 2014 (EDT)
:::I hope Jim Sorenson is making notes of all this. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:25, 25 October 2014 (EDT)
:Indeed. I feel like the IDW 13, presenting a version of the "multiverse 13" that is so clearly drawn from the "Aligned 13" is more evidence than ever for ''not'' splitting them. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 15:05, 25 October 2014 (EDT)
::The "Aligned 13" are gods, the first Cybertronians. The IDW 13 are not - Alpha Trion explicitly rejects that the term applies to them - and are the ''third'' generation after the Guiding Hand and the Knights of Cybertron. Other than that, how is IDW Nexus any more similar to Club Nexus or Aligned Nexus than Optimus Prime A is from Optimus Prime B? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 15:47, 25 October 2014 (EDT)
:::Seems like it would be more of a case of "Marvel Blaster vs. Sunbow Blaster" than anything to me. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:57, 25 October 2014 (EDT)
::::Then at what point do we merge Every Optimus Prime Ever? (Because you know this is where it's heading. Remember the "one true Prime" bit where Optimus woke the Necrotitan?) - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 16:35, 25 October 2014 (EDT)
I had originally categorized Nexus here as a Classics toy, mistakenly remembering Skyfall first showing up in an FP Classics comic. It was correctly pointed out to me that it was actually a Cybertron story. Regardless, Nexus Prime, in his combined form, first showed up in a Shattered Glass story. This talk page should be moved to that article and this one deleted. -- [[User:Shellspark|Shellspark]] ([[User talk:Shellspark|talk]]) 02:08, 28 October 2014 (EDT)
:The carving—the first fictional indication of Nexus Prime—was in a Classics story. That's what I assumed you were working off. Either way, the history is on this page, so the (SG) one should be deleted and this moved over if we decide to do so. [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] ([[User talk:Mimi|talk]]) 02:11, 28 October 2014 (EDT)

== Disambig parenthetical ==

Why's this at (SG)? Surely in the carving in the Classics comic is Nexus's first appearance? Yes, it's not an appearance of the actual guy, but, for instance, movie Sentinel Prime is at (ROTF) because his name was mentioned in ROTF. Is this not an analogous situation? I mean, the first storylink on the article is to the Classics comic, y'know? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 05:30, 28 October 2014 (EDT)
:Personally, I just feel an article with the SG parenthetical that ISN'T about a negative-polarity evil-universe version of someone is disingenuous and misleading. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 06:40, 28 October 2014 (EDT)
::And yeah, that too. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 06:51, 28 October 2014 (EDT)
:::This should absolutely be at (Classics) or (Timelines). --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 08:20, 28 October 2014 (EDT)
::::I agree. There's enough justification to support either move, and Classics just makes more sense. Though I'm still not sure I understand why he needs more than one article, given the singularity thing.--[[User:Blackrock|Blackrock]] ([[User talk:Blackrock|talk]]) 09:52, 28 October 2014 (EDT)

Thirteen

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{{disambig2|the group of ancient [[Transformer]]s|the comic series that might never be published|Transformers: The Thirteen}}
[[File:Original13.jpg|center|upright=2.8|thumb|Guess the one on fire!]]
{{quote|We are the 13, the first, the forgotten, each of us serving a function vital to the survival of the universe. Each of us designated a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]] and given a function to serve during the long march of infinity.|[[Vector Prime (Cybertron)|Vector Prime]]|"[[Vector Prime: In the Beginning]]"}}

The '''Thirteen''' are the first [[Transformer]]s created by [[Primus]]. Rightfully huge and powerful, each was designated a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]],<ref>A Hasbro Q&A response would later try to alter this. See Notes above.</ref> and given unique roles and natures to battle Primus's ancient foe [[Unicron]].

==Conceptual history==
[[File:BW Covenant.jpg|left|thumb|The [[Covenant]] shares a very similar base concept with the Thirteen, and may have been the original inspiration for them.]]
The concept of the Thirteen has only been around for about a third of the Transformers brand's thirty-year history, and the slow drip-feeding of information that characterised the early stages of their story wasn't been presented in a very linear manner. The development of the concept is described in this section to minimize confusion; for details of their history and actions in specific bits of fiction, see below.

The very earliest seeds of the Thirteen can probably be found in material produced by [[3H Productions]] for [[BotCon]], most notably 2000's "[[Herald, Covenant, Schism, Paradox|Covenant]]". This story introduces the undeniably similar concept of the [[Covenant]], a group of twelve zodiac-themed robots who are the first creations of [[Primus]], created as a test-run for the Transformer race. Despite the basic similarity between the Covenant and the Thirteen, though, the two groups have not been connected, and those same stories by 3H would ultimately contradict the later lore of the Thirteen by introducing [[Primon]], a Matrix-bearer who preceded [[Prima (G1)|Prima]], which should not be possible.

[[File:Vectorprimeut.jpg|thumb|[[Fun Publications]] established [[Vector Prime (Cybertron)|Vector Prime]] to be a member of the Thirteen in 2005.]]

It was in the pages of 2004's ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' that the mysterious "Thirteen Original Transformers" were first spoken of, and their basic origin was laid down: they were the first Transformers created by Primus to battle Unicron, and their number included Prima, the first [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]-bearer from the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel Comics series]] and [[The Fallen]], an enigmatic servant of Unicron from [[Dreamwave Productions]]' 2003 comic, ''[[Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages|War Within: The Dark Ages]]''. The book also noted that if ''[[Alignment]]'' had been published, the [[Liege Maximo (G2)|Liege Maximo]], an ancient evil [[Cybertronian]] from the [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|''Generation 2'' comics]], would have been counted among them as well (retroactively, of course, since ''Alignment'' predated the idea of the Thirteen). The book also contained a passing mention that the enigmatic [[Maccadam|manager]] of [[Maccadam's Old Oil House]], a Cybertronian pub introduced in the UK ''Generation 1'' Marvel Comics, was rumored to be one of the Thirteen (though it also admits that this could be a fabrication by the pub's drunken patrons). Not surprisingly, it was the creator of all four of these characters, [[Simon Furman]], who both wrote the guide and conceived the idea of the Thirteen.<ref>Simon Furman panel, BotCon 2012</ref> While it was Furman who also created the Covenant, it is not yet known whether or not he was deliberately drawing upon his old idea when he introduced the Thirteen in this book.

The concept of the Thirteen quietly bubbled under for the next year, until another element was added with the introduction of [[Vector Prime (Cybertron)|Vector Prime]] in 2005's ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'' series. Although presented merely as a very ancient [[Autobot]] in the original Japanese version of the ''Cybertron'' cartoon, Hasbro envisioned him as one of the Thirteen, and writer [[Forest Lee]] made this explicit in [[Vector Prime: In the Beginning|the first story]] produced for the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]]. This story also introduced the idea that all of the Thirteen were [[Prime (rank)|Primes]], and that each had a specific function or purpose; Vector Prime's was stewardship of time, while a 2007 [[bio]] written for The Fallen's ''[[Titanium Series]]'' toy would later reveal he was the overseer of entropy. Between these two releases, in 2006, the short Japanese text story ''[[Beast Wars Reborn]]'' introduced [[Soundblaster (Cybertron)|Logos Prime]]; as a Japanese creation, his status among the Thirteen would be in question for years not because of anything in the fiction itself—which was pretty clear-cut on the matter—but purely because fans doubted that Hasbro were ''aware'' of the character.

[[File:NexusPrimeflankedbyotherPrimes.jpg|left|thumb|Fun Publications also introduced the first [[combiner]], [[Nexus Prime (SG)|Nexus Prime.]]]]
While it was not immediately apparent, Hasbro had put a plan in motion for the Thirteen with the Collectors' Club comic: across the next five years, five separate robots were introduced who were gradually revealed to be components of a combiner, Nexus Prime, who was one of the Thirteen. During this five-year span, the subject of the Thirteen often came up at BotCon Q&A sessions, during which the idea of them being [[multiversal singularity|multiversal singularities]] solidified.

Also during this time, current Transformers comic license holders [[IDW Publishing]] spoke often of a potential comic book mini-series about the Thirteen to be written by Simon Furman, but this was eventually nixed, with Furman noting in 2009 that this was because it had "become more of a [[Hasbro]] thing than an IDW thing."<ref>[http://hombreimaginario.deviantart.com/art/Interviews-10-Simon-Furman-130246343 Furman talks about the Thirteen in an interview on DeviantArt]</ref> Hasbro's desire to control and fully conceptualize the story of the Thirteen was further made evident when, after [[Fun Publications]]' Nexus Prime story concluded in the same year, they effectively took "custody" of the character as part of their future plans. This control, however, was evidently not all-encompassing: also in 2009, The Fallen made a surprising appearance as the titular villain of the second-live action Transformers film, ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', where he was a member not of a group of thirteen, but only ''seven'' Primes. Hasbro's [[Hasbro Q&A/October 2009#AllSpark.com|October 2009 online Q&A]] retroactively justified this by explaining that while all the Thirteen were Primes, only seven actually had the word "Prime" ''in their names''.
[[File:TransformersVault-Prima.jpg|thumb|The new design for [[Prima (Prime)|Prima]] was revealed at [[BotCon 2010]].]]
Eventually, in 2010, the grand scope of the new [[Aligned continuity family]] became the "delivery method" for Hasbro's long-percolating tale of the Thirteen. However, the "Aligned" continuity was also established to ''not'' be part of the multiverse in which all preceding Transformers fiction took place, which until then had lain the groundwork for the Thirteen. As such, the new information introduced by the Aligned continuity was only true for ''that'' continuity, and even chose to ignore or overrule some previous pieces of the story that had been revealed in "Multiverse" stories—The Fallen was given a much more tragic origin story that involved no connection to Unicron, Logos Prime was not included in the ranked of the "Aligned Thirteen" (which does not preclude his inclusion in the "Multiverse Thirteen"), while [[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]] was named as a member of the Aligned group, while he cannot possibly be a member of the Multiverse group given the established existence of alternate versions of himself (most significantly, his evil mirror universe [[Alpha Trion (SG)|''Shattered Glass'' self]]).

It was the novel ''[[Transformers: Exodus]]'' which revealed Trion to be one of the Thirteen, and which also revealed the Fallen's real name to be "Megatronus". New "Aligned" designs for Megatronus (and his "Fallen" form), Prima, Vector Prime, Alpha Trion and the now-canonized Liege Maximo were revealed at [[BotCon 2010]], with the new designs for Nexus Prime and newcomer [[Solus Prime (Prime)|Solus Prime]] revealed the following year at [[BotCon 2011]]. It was here that it was explained that each of the Thirteen represented one aspect of the Transformer race, their ranks also including a beast-mode Transformer and a [[Mini-Con]]. Solus would later factor into the ''[[Transformers: Exiles]]'' novel, which also introduced [[Amalgamous Prime]] and [[Alchemist Prime]]. Right around this time, the story of the Thirteen finally made the leap to the small screen, when, after years of being consigned to fan-targeted comics and convention panels, their origin tale was told in the ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'' episode, "[[One Shall Rise, Part 1]]".

In December 2013, ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus]]'' was released, detailing in full the complete history of the Thirteen in the Aligned Continuity.

A year later, in October 2014, IDW's version of The Thirteen was explored in [[The Crucible]].
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==Members==
===Multiverse===
Within the multiverse in which most Transformers fiction occurs, the Thirteen are [[multiversal singularity|multiversal singularities]]—across all the different [[universal stream]]s, only one incarnation of each of the Thirteen exists, moving between worlds. The group's roster has not been fully revealed, and known members include:

*'''[[Prima (G1)|Prima]]''' - The first [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix-bearer]] and first Transformer born from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], the leader of the Thirteen.<ref>''Sentinel Prime was one of a dynasty of Primes, stretching back to the original '''13 Transformers''' and their leader, Prima.'' — ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' (2005) 1st ed p15, "Sentinel Prime"</ref>
*'''[[Vector Prime (Cybertron)|Vector Prime]]''' - The guardian of space and time, who spent most of his life outside of reality, observing it and occasionally stepping in to help.
*'''[[The Fallen]]''' - Formerly the guardian of entropy, whose true name was stricken from history when he betrayed his brothers and became a [[Herald of Unicron]].<ref>''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]''</ref>
*'''[[Nexus Prime (Classics)|Nexus Prime]]''' - The first combiner, and the guardian of [[Rarified Energon]].
*'''[[Soundblaster (Cybertron)|Logos Prime]]'''— an enigmatic figure who, in the present day, sought to pass on his incredible powers over time and space to an heir.

The [[Liege Maximo (G2)|Liege Maximo]] was implied to be one of the group, but has not been confirmed in any canon source. Also, [[Maccadam]] was rumored (albeit half-jokingly) to be one of the Thirteen in ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide|The Ultimate Guide]]'', but this has not been touched upon since.

===Aligned===
[[File:OneShallRise1-WellofAllSparks.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
Within the Aligned continuity family, which exists separately from the rest of the Transformers multiverse, the full roster of the Thirteen is known. Each possesses a special [[Artifacts of the Primes|artifact]] of great power that is tied to their identity and role in Primus' plan. Listed in the order of their creation by Primus, they are:

*'''[[Prima (Prime)|Prima]]''' - The leader of the Thirteen, a warrior of light who wielded the [[Star Saber (Prima)|Star Saber]].
*'''[[Vector Prime (WFC)|Vector Prime]]''' - The master of time and space, which he could manipulate through his [[Blades of Time]].
*'''[[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]]''' - Holder of the [[Quill]], which he uses to record the past, present, and future of Cybertron in the [[Covenant of Primus]] in his role as recordskeeper of the Primes.
*'''[[Solus Prime (Prime)|Solus Prime]]''' - The master artificer and creator of many of the Primes' weapons through use of her incredible [[Forge of Solus Prime|Forge]]. She was the first [[female Transformer|female Cybertronian]].
*'''[[Micronus Prime]]''' - The conscience of the Thirteen, and the first [[Mini-Con]], able to [[Powerlinx|link up with and enhance the power]] of his siblings through the use of his [[Chimera Stone]].
*'''[[Alchemist Prime]]''' - Student of the elemental structure of the natural world, aided in this by his [[Lenses]], which allowed him to see further and deeper than anyone, in both material and spiritual senses. Co-founder of Cybertronian civilization with Alpha Trion.
*'''[[Nexus Prime (Prime)|Nexus Prime]]''' - The first and greatest combiner, granted the ability to divide himself into separate forms by his [[Enigma of Combination]]. Unpredictable, fascinated by change, and a lighthearted prankster.
*'''[[Onyx Prime (Prime)|Onyx Prime]]''' - The first beast-form Cybertronian, a primitive and spiritual being able to view other times, places, souls and even the afterlife through his three-faced [[Triptych Mask]].
*'''[[Amalgamous Prime]]''' - The joker of the Thirteen and the first [[Shifter]], unpredictable and easygoing. He was first Cybertronian with the ability of [[transformation]], granted him by his [[Transformation Cog]], which became the basis for the cogs in all subsequent Trasnformer life.
*'''[[Quintus Prime]]''' - A daydreamer and perfectionist whose drive to express his ideas led him to become a scientist. His artifact was the [[Emberstone]], which gave him the ability to create life; the [[Quintesson]]s were among his creations.
*'''[[Liege Maximo (WFC)|Liege Maximo]]''' - The manipulator. Though his artifact was notionally the toxin-loaded [[Legian Darts]], his real skill was his ability to talk others into his way of thinking—a black art that ultimately caused the downfall of the Thirteen.
*'''[[Megatronus (WFC)|Megatronus]]''' - The warrior of darkness, Prima's opposite number, whose role as the necessary counterbalance set him apart from his fellow Primes. His artifact was the [[Requiem Blaster (Prime)|Requiem Blaster]], created for him by Solus; this act began a doomed romance between the two that led to his turning on his brothers and becoming known as '''The Fallen'''.
*'''[[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]]''' - The mediator of the Primes, who united the Thirteen by being the first among them to raise an arm in greeting. He would subsequently be reincarnated as '''Orion Pax'''.

==Fiction==
===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
[[File:Thefallen.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|No, seriously guys, is it just me, or is it hot in here?]]
[[The Fallen]] was thwarted in his attempt to sabotage [[Primus]]' [[Cybertron (planet)|physical form]], and the Thirteen allegedly died after casting the Fallen and his master [[Unicron]] through a [[black hole]] into another dimension. In truth, the Fallen was imprisoned in another dimension, while [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] kept watch over the Transformers in the [[Well of All Sparks]] and Primus entered his eternal sleep to hide from Unicron. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}}

After [[Optimus Prime (G1)#Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)#Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Megatron]] were lost in a [[space bridge]] explosion, the Fallen was free from his prison in [[Transwarp|underspace]], and returned to Cybertron. He immediately set about trying to undo the [[Seal of Primus]] that locked the Well of All Sparks. However, upon his success, the Fallen was promptly destroyed by his reawoken creator. {{storylink|Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages}}

{{note|It was revealed long after the demise of ''Dreamwave'' that an issue was planned which involved the return of both [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] and the Fallen, meaning his "death" would not have been final. The Fallen would have appeared in a one-shot story entitled "[[The Enemy Within]]", when in the present, Jetfire discovered Shockwave broke the Seal for his cloning experiments. The Fallen's essence escaped and corrupted [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]], and following his death, passed into Jetfire. ''Dreamwave'''s bankruptcy meant the story was never published.}}

===Fun Publications===
[[Vector Prime (Cybertron)|Vector Prime]] aided the [[Autobot]]s in finding the [[Cyber Planet Key]]s to close the [[Unicron Singularity]]. He regularly reported their progress to [[Alpha Trion (Energon)|Alpha Trion]], but during one visit Unicron's servants [[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]] and [[Nemesis Prime (Universe)|Nemesis Prime]] attacked. {{storylink|Balancing Act}} [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]] came to Cybertron looking for clues to his past, only to be attacked by [[Scorponok (Energon)|Dark Scorponok]], {{storylink|Balancing Act, Part 2}} but his forcefield protected him. Ramjet offered him clues to his past in exchange for his <s>soul</s> service. {{storylink|Balancing Act, Part 3}} They went to Primus' spark core to destroy him with the [[Dead Matrix]], but Vector and [[Sentinel Maximus]] fought back. {{storylink|Balancing Act, Part 4}} Ramjet said he would stop trying to kill Primus if Vector aided them in restoring the balance by resurrecting Unicron, but he refused. {{storylink|Balancing Act, Pt 5}} Skyfall tried to save Ramjet but his forcefield only ignited an explosion that killed Ramjet. {{storylink|Revelations Part 1}} Vector had drones repair Skyfall and found [[Omega Prime]]—Trion's creation from a [[Viron]] universe—had helped Sentinel defeated Nemesis. Omega's presence saddened Vector, as it confirmed the multiverse was falling apart, and he left. {{storylink|Revelations Part 2}}

Skyfall was helping Sentinel repair [[Vector Sigma]], when [[Over-Run (Armada)|Over-Run]] informed him he had found a twenty-million-cycle-old carving of him and another bot. {{storylink|Revelations Part 4}} Immediately during a battle between [[Mini-Con]] Autobots and [[Decepticon]]s, Skyfall found [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]]. {{storylink|Revelations Part 5}} The two seemingly vanished when Unicron attacked, {{storylink|Revelations Part 6}} when they had been transported to [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]]'s universe, {{storylink|Crossing Over, Part 1}} and the trio and went through a [[space bridge]] {{storylink|Crossing Over: Part 6}} to find [[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]] in [[Axiom Nexus]]. [[Cheetor (TransTech)|Cheetor]] and [[Silverbolt (TransTech)|Silverbolt]] introduced the trio to [[Alpha Trion (SG)|Alpha Trion]]. However, [[Shockwave (TransTech)|Shockwave]] had Breakaway quietly subdued and taken to his laboratory. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 1}} Skyfall and Landquake realized Breakaway was gone, but Alpha Trion told them to come with him if they wanted to rescue their brother from the evil [[Transcendent Technomorph|TransTechs]]. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 2}} He explained he was not from this dimension and was part of a resistance movement, introducing them to Topspin, whose job was to transfer their [[lowtech]] followers' [[spark]]s into their TransTech counterparts. Realizing Topspin was one of their kin, Skyfall and Landquake agreed to help. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 3}} [[Nightscream (TransTech)|Nightscream]] found Breakaway was being held near the portal to Alpha Trion's dimension, {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 4}} and his acolytes attacked, rescuing Breakaway {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 5}} and entering the [[transwarp]] device. Alpha Trion explained to Skyfall he was the key to the reunification, and killed him as they entered [[Shattered Glass|his universe]]. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 6}}
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Despite his claim his was a peaceful world, Alpha Trion shot [[Downshift (SG)|Downshift]], and Breakaway realized Skyfall had been killed by an energy blade rather than shot from behind as the old Autobot claimed. Alpha Trion's troops arrived, took the four components and he proclaimed he would kill them all—as reunification still worked with one of them dead—and that his reign would begin. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 1}} Landquake manipulated the raw energon and used smokebombs to escape, with Topspin and Breakaway carrying Skyfall. Weeks later, after trying unsuccessfully to revive Skyfall, {{storylink|Reunification: Part 2}} the [[Quintesson]] [[Aquarius (SG)|Aquarius]] appeared to take them to [[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 3}} Landquake explained their situation to the Decepticons, and Megatron asked [[Cyclonus (SG)|Cyclonus]] to bring [[Heatwave (Timelines)|Heatwave]], but then Cyclonus, revealing himself to be an agent of Alpha Trion, assassinated Megatron. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 4}} Breakaway suggested they use their powers to revive Megatron, and found themselves in a white space with Skyfall and Primus. They made their choice: [[Nexus Prime (Classics)|Nexus Prime]] was reborn. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 5}} Nexus resurrected Megatron as Galvatron and defeated [[Omega Doom]]. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 6}} Using Galvatron's gift of the [[stellar spanner]], Nexus and Aquarius began dimension-hopping to find the shards of the [[Star Saber (Prima)|artifact]] he had been entrusted with, so he could complete his memories. {{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 1}}

===''Beast Wars Reborn''===
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The '''Ancients''' (エンシェント ''Enshento'') were the original clan of Transformers created by Primus before he became [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], and possessed extraordinary powers over space and time. One of them, [[Soundblaster (Cybertron)|Logos Prime]], lost sight of his objective and memory of him faded away. {{Storylink|Planetfall (BWR)|Planetfall}} He would return under the name of Soundblaster, abducting [[Optimus Primal/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]] and [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]] so he could apparently appoint Megatron as his successor. [[Vector Prime (Cybertron)|Vector Prime]] was sent by Primus to stop the plot and was taken aback when confronted with his fellow Ancient who he thought lost. {{Storylink|Master of the Game}} While Vector Prime and what remained of Logos Prime fought on the astral plane, Soundblaster revealed the [[Zeonomicon]], the key to his power, and had Optimus and Megatron hunt it down on [[Animatron]] to decide who would inherit his power. {{storylink|Planetfall (BWR)|Planetfall}}

===Live-action film series===
{{main|Dynasty of Primes}}
[[File:ROTF-sixprimes.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|The Primes in the Matrix/Allspark/surreal part of Primus's imagination.]]
The Primes were the guardians of the [[AllSpark]], charged with replenishing it. They commanded [[Seeker (ROTF)|Seekers]] and [[Constructicon (ROTF)|workers]] to find stars and replenish the AllSpark with their energy. The Fallen began seeing himself as the AllSpark's chosen one and began destroying solar systems with sentient life to replenish the Cube. His brothers warned him not to do it again, so The Fallen tried it again on [[Earth]] to lure them. {{storylink|Tales of the Fallen issue 3|Tales of the Fallen #3}} The Fallen slaughtered all his brothers bar Prima himself, who gathered his brothers' lifeforce to trap The Fallen in his [[sarcophagus]]. Prima sacrificed himself to form a [[Tomb of the Primes|tomb]] with his brothers' bodies to hide the Matrix. {{storylink|Tales of the Fallen issue 4|Tales of the Fallen #4}}

A long time passed, and The Fallen was eventually dug up. From his prison, he pushed [[Megatron (Movie)|High Protector Megatron]] into forming the Decepticons. {{storylink|Defiance issue 2|Defiance #2}} Thousands of years later, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], the sole surviving descendant of the Primes to survive The Fallen's rampage, {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen issue 3|Revenge of the Fallen #3}} had been killed. The Primes appeared to [[Sam Witwicky (Movie)|Sam Witwicky]], giving him the Matrix to revive Optimus, and Optimus avenged The Fallen's brothers by killing him. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

{{note|The ''Revenge of the Fallen'' adaptations have thirteen Primes. While designs were made for twelve non-Fallen Prime heads, the finished film shows only seven Primes, and this change was followed in ''[[Transformers: Tales of the Fallen|Tales of the Fallen]]'' and [[Transformers (Titan Magazine)|the Titan magazine]]. Prima's appearance was retconned by Hasbro at [[BotCon 2010]].}}

===Aligned continuity===
{{note|"Anything you know from past generations of the brand may or may not be factual in the new continuity."<ref>[[Hasbro Q&A/September 2010: Answers|Hasbro Q&A, September 2010: {{SITENAME SHORT}}]]</ref><ref>[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=74182 Hasbro Q&A, September 2010: AllSpark.com]</ref>}}
[[File:OneShallRise1-TheThirteen.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|They're not a fan of direct lighting.]]
Legend says that [[Primus]] created the Thirteen to defeat [[Unicron]]. The Thirteen succeeded, and Unicron's defeated form was cast by them into space. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 1}}

Statues of the Thirteen were created at some point after they defeated Unicron. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 3}}

What is known about the Primes is that their war made "enemies of brothers, murderers of lovers, heroes of the insignificant, and cowards of the mighty". Allegiances formed and broke apart: Megatronus refused to bow before his brothers, and he believed he would be vindicated someday despite his destructive methods. The murder of one sent them across the stars, to battle among themselves for billions of cycles. Finally, there came a time when Prima had to relinquish the Matrix. Afterwards, the [[Covenant of Primus]] decreed Cybertron could only have one Prime at a time.
[[File:OneShallRise1-Thirteenattack.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.66|Three seconds of one episode made up for a lifetime of lack of Thirteen images.]]
[[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]] remained on Cybertron, recording these events into the Covenant, and the Primes became myths doubted by [[Jazz (WFC)|some]]. Alpha Trion retreated into becoming the Archivist of the [[Hall of Records]] when [[Sentinel Zeta Prime|Sentinel Prime]], the [[Autobot High Council|High Council]] and the [[Guilds of Cybertron]] ignored his protests about the [[caste system]]. The [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] did not bestow itself onto another until the unworthy Sentinel died, and [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] was imbued with it, while his nemesis had become known as [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]], who like his namesake had come to destroy that he believed in. {{storylink|Transformers: Exodus|Exodus}}

===IDW continuity===
Ten million years ago, the civil war between the thirteen tribes of Cybertron came to an end as [[Nova Prime|Nova Major]] and [[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]] defeated the beastial hordes of Nexus Prime. All of the Thirteen, save [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]], were believed dead or exiled. Despite persistent rumors that a Prime could only be killed by another Prime, Galvatron slays Nexus Prime. {{storylink|The Crucible}}
{{--}}

==Notes==
*''Transformers: The Ultimate Guide'' asserts that all of the Thirteen were destroyed in the early battle between Primus and Unicron, but the statement was disproven by the book itself, since it recounted how The Fallen was not destroyed but exiled to a transdimensional prison from which he later escaped. Fun Publications comics would later depict Vector Prime as the sole surviving member of the Thirteen, and then go on to introduce Nexus Prime as a co-survivor alongside him.
*In Hasbro Q&A on October, 2009 from [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=63609 ''The Allspark Forum''], The Thirteen are referred to as "the Original Epic Warriors of Cybertron" by Hasbro.
*The notion of the Primes being originally huge is similar to early ''Revenge of the Fallen'' concepts where the Fallen dwarfed Optimus and was almost the size of a pyramid, as evident from [[Defiance issue 4|''Defiance'' #4]] and the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|novelization]].
*In "[[Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations]]", [[James Roberts]] came up with a completely different creation story for [[IDW Publishing]]'s Transformers, just because he ''can''. There is still [[Guiding Hand|an original group of Transformers]] and a war caused by treachery, but in that version the traitor is another god named [[Mortilus]]. "[[The Crucible]]", by [[John Barber]], subsequently established there existed Thirteen Original Primes in the IDW continuity, based off the Thirteen as depicted in the Aligned continuity family. While unknown if they were the original Transformers, Alpha Trion mentions they possessed a bond to Primus.

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Thirteen

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{{disambig2|the group of ancient [[Transformer]]s|the comic series that might never be published|Transformers: The Thirteen}}
[[File:Original13.jpg|center|upright=2.8|thumb|Guess the one on fire!]]
{{quote|We are the 13, the first, the forgotten, each of us serving a function vital to the survival of the universe. Each of us designated a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]] and given a function to serve during the long march of infinity.|[[Vector Prime (Cybertron)|Vector Prime]]|"[[Vector Prime: In the Beginning]]"}}

The '''Thirteen''' are the first [[Transformer]]s created by [[Primus]]. Rightfully huge and powerful, each was designated a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]],<ref>A Hasbro Q&A response would later try to alter this. See Notes above.</ref> and given unique roles and natures to battle Primus's ancient foe [[Unicron]].

==Conceptual history==
[[File:BW Covenant.jpg|left|thumb|The [[Covenant]] shares a very similar base concept with the Thirteen, and may have been the original inspiration for them.]]
The concept of the Thirteen has only been around for about a third of the Transformers brand's thirty-year history, and the slow drip-feeding of information that characterised the early stages of their story wasn't been presented in a very linear manner. The development of the concept is described in this section to minimize confusion; for details of their history and actions in specific bits of fiction, see below.

The very earliest seeds of the Thirteen can probably be found in material produced by [[3H Productions]] for [[BotCon]], most notably 2000's "[[Herald, Covenant, Schism, Paradox|Covenant]]". This story introduces the undeniably similar concept of the [[Covenant]], a group of twelve zodiac-themed robots who are the first creations of [[Primus]], created as a test-run for the Transformer race. Despite the basic similarity between the Covenant and the Thirteen, though, the two groups have not been connected, and those same stories by 3H would ultimately contradict the later lore of the Thirteen by introducing [[Primon]], a Matrix-bearer who preceded [[Prima (G1)|Prima]], which should not be possible.

[[File:Vectorprimeut.jpg|thumb|[[Fun Publications]] established [[Vector Prime (Cybertron)|Vector Prime]] to be a member of the Thirteen in 2005.]]

It was in the pages of 2004's ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' that the mysterious "Thirteen Original Transformers" were first spoken of, and their basic origin was laid down: they were the first Transformers created by Primus to battle Unicron, and their number included Prima, the first [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]-bearer from the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel Comics series]] and [[The Fallen]], an enigmatic servant of Unicron from [[Dreamwave Productions]]' 2003 comic, ''[[Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages|War Within: The Dark Ages]]''. The book also noted that if ''[[Alignment]]'' had been published, the [[Liege Maximo (G2)|Liege Maximo]], an ancient evil [[Cybertronian]] from the [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|''Generation 2'' comics]], would have been counted among them as well (retroactively, of course, since ''Alignment'' predated the idea of the Thirteen). The book also contained a passing mention that the enigmatic [[Maccadam|manager]] of [[Maccadam's Old Oil House]], a Cybertronian pub introduced in the UK ''Generation 1'' Marvel Comics, was rumored to be one of the Thirteen (though it also admits that this could be a fabrication by the pub's drunken patrons). Not surprisingly, it was the creator of all four of these characters, [[Simon Furman]], who both wrote the guide and conceived the idea of the Thirteen.<ref>Simon Furman panel, BotCon 2012</ref> While it was Furman who also created the Covenant, it is not yet known whether or not he was deliberately drawing upon his old idea when he introduced the Thirteen in this book.

The concept of the Thirteen quietly bubbled under for the next year, until another element was added with the introduction of [[Vector Prime (Cybertron)|Vector Prime]] in 2005's ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'' series. Although presented merely as a very ancient [[Autobot]] in the original Japanese version of the ''Cybertron'' cartoon, Hasbro envisioned him as one of the Thirteen, and writer [[Forest Lee]] made this explicit in [[Vector Prime: In the Beginning|the first story]] produced for the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]]. This story also introduced the idea that all of the Thirteen were [[Prime (rank)|Primes]], and that each had a specific function or purpose; Vector Prime's was stewardship of time, while a 2007 [[bio]] written for The Fallen's ''[[Titanium Series]]'' toy would later reveal he was the overseer of entropy. Between these two releases, in 2006, the short Japanese text story ''[[Beast Wars Reborn]]'' introduced [[Soundblaster (Cybertron)|Logos Prime]]; as a Japanese creation, his status among the Thirteen would be in question for years not because of anything in the fiction itself—which was pretty clear-cut on the matter—but purely because fans doubted that Hasbro were ''aware'' of the character.

[[File:NexusPrimeflankedbyotherPrimes.jpg|left|thumb|Fun Publications also introduced the first [[combiner]], [[Nexus Prime (SG)|Nexus Prime.]]]]
While it was not immediately apparent, Hasbro had put a plan in motion for the Thirteen with the Collectors' Club comic: across the next five years, five separate robots were introduced who were gradually revealed to be components of a combiner, Nexus Prime, who was one of the Thirteen. During this five-year span, the subject of the Thirteen often came up at BotCon Q&A sessions, during which the idea of them being [[multiversal singularity|multiversal singularities]] solidified.

Also during this time, current Transformers comic license holders [[IDW Publishing]] spoke often of a potential comic book mini-series about the Thirteen to be written by Simon Furman, but this was eventually nixed, with Furman noting in 2009 that this was because it had "become more of a [[Hasbro]] thing than an IDW thing."<ref>[http://hombreimaginario.deviantart.com/art/Interviews-10-Simon-Furman-130246343 Furman talks about the Thirteen in an interview on DeviantArt]</ref> Hasbro's desire to control and fully conceptualize the story of the Thirteen was further made evident when, after [[Fun Publications]]' Nexus Prime story concluded in the same year, they effectively took "custody" of the character as part of their future plans. This control, however, was evidently not all-encompassing: also in 2009, The Fallen made a surprising appearance as the titular villain of the second-live action Transformers film, ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', where he was a member not of a group of thirteen, but only ''seven'' Primes. Hasbro's [[Hasbro Q&A/October 2009#AllSpark.com|October 2009 online Q&A]] retroactively justified this by explaining that while all the Thirteen were Primes, only seven actually had the word "Prime" ''in their names''.
[[File:TransformersVault-Prima.jpg|thumb|The new design for [[Prima (Prime)|Prima]] was revealed at [[BotCon 2010]].]]
Eventually, in 2010, the grand scope of the new [[Aligned continuity family]] became the "delivery method" for Hasbro's long-percolating tale of the Thirteen. However, the "Aligned" continuity was also established to ''not'' be part of the multiverse in which all preceding Transformers fiction took place, which until then had lain the groundwork for the Thirteen. As such, the new information introduced by the Aligned continuity was only true for ''that'' continuity, and even chose to ignore or overrule some previous pieces of the story that had been revealed in "Multiverse" stories—The Fallen was given a much more tragic origin story that involved no connection to Unicron, Logos Prime was not included in the ranked of the "Aligned Thirteen" (which does not preclude his inclusion in the "Multiverse Thirteen"), while [[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]] was named as a member of the Aligned group, while he cannot possibly be a member of the Multiverse group given the established existence of alternate versions of himself (most significantly, his evil mirror universe [[Alpha Trion (SG)|''Shattered Glass'' self]]).

It was the novel ''[[Transformers: Exodus]]'' which revealed Trion to be one of the Thirteen, and which also revealed the Fallen's real name to be "Megatronus". New "Aligned" designs for Megatronus (and his "Fallen" form), Prima, Vector Prime, Alpha Trion and the now-canonized Liege Maximo were revealed at [[BotCon 2010]], with the new designs for Nexus Prime and newcomer [[Solus Prime (Prime)|Solus Prime]] revealed the following year at [[BotCon 2011]]. It was here that it was explained that each of the Thirteen represented one aspect of the Transformer race, their ranks also including a beast-mode Transformer and a [[Mini-Con]]. Solus would later factor into the ''[[Transformers: Exiles]]'' novel, which also introduced [[Amalgamous Prime]] and [[Alchemist Prime]]. Right around this time, the story of the Thirteen finally made the leap to the small screen, when, after years of being consigned to fan-targeted comics and convention panels, their origin tale was told in the ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'' episode, "[[One Shall Rise, Part 1]]".

In December 2013, ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus]]'' was released, detailing in full the complete history of the Thirteen in the Aligned Continuity.

A year later, in October 2014, IDW's version of The Thirteen was explored in [[The Crucible]].
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==Members==
===Multiverse===
Within the multiverse in which most Transformers fiction occurs, the Thirteen are [[multiversal singularity|multiversal singularities]]—across all the different [[universal stream]]s, only one incarnation of each of the Thirteen exists, moving between worlds. The group's roster has not been fully revealed, and known members include:

*'''[[Prima (G1)|Prima]]''' - The first [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix-bearer]] and first Transformer born from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], the leader of the Thirteen.<ref>''Sentinel Prime was one of a dynasty of Primes, stretching back to the original '''13 Transformers''' and their leader, Prima.'' — ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' (2005) 1st ed p15, "Sentinel Prime"</ref>
*'''[[Vector Prime (Cybertron)|Vector Prime]]''' - The guardian of space and time, who spent most of his life outside of reality, observing it and occasionally stepping in to help.
*'''[[The Fallen]]''' - Formerly the guardian of entropy, whose true name was stricken from history when he betrayed his brothers and became a [[Herald of Unicron]].<ref>''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]''</ref>
*'''[[Nexus Prime (Classics)|Nexus Prime]]''' - The first combiner, and the guardian of [[Rarified Energon]].
*'''[[Soundblaster (Cybertron)|Logos Prime]]'''— an enigmatic figure who, in the present day, sought to pass on his incredible powers over time and space to an heir.

The [[Liege Maximo (G2)|Liege Maximo]] was implied to be one of the group, but has not been confirmed in any canon source. Also, [[Maccadam]] was rumored (albeit half-jokingly) to be one of the Thirteen in ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide|The Ultimate Guide]]'', but this has not been touched upon since.

===Aligned===
[[File:OneShallRise1-WellofAllSparks.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
Within the Aligned continuity family, which exists separately from the rest of the Transformers multiverse, the full roster of the Thirteen is known. Each possesses a special [[Artifacts of the Primes|artifact]] of great power that is tied to their identity and role in Primus' plan. Listed in the order of their creation by Primus, they are:

*'''[[Prima (Prime)|Prima]]''' - The leader of the Thirteen, a warrior of light who wielded the [[Star Saber (Prima)|Star Saber]].
*'''[[Vector Prime (WFC)|Vector Prime]]''' - The master of time and space, which he could manipulate through his [[Blades of Time]].
*'''[[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]]''' - Holder of the [[Quill]], which he uses to record the past, present, and future of Cybertron in the [[Covenant of Primus]] in his role as recordskeeper of the Primes.
*'''[[Solus Prime (Prime)|Solus Prime]]''' - The master artificer and creator of many of the Primes' weapons through use of her incredible [[Forge of Solus Prime|Forge]]. She was the first [[female Transformer|female Cybertronian]].
*'''[[Micronus Prime]]''' - The conscience of the Thirteen, and the first [[Mini-Con]], able to [[Powerlinx|link up with and enhance the power]] of his siblings through the use of his [[Chimera Stone]].
*'''[[Alchemist Prime]]''' - Student of the elemental structure of the natural world, aided in this by his [[Lenses]], which allowed him to see further and deeper than anyone, in both material and spiritual senses. Co-founder of Cybertronian civilization with Alpha Trion.
*'''[[Nexus Prime (Prime)|Nexus Prime]]''' - The first and greatest combiner, granted the ability to divide himself into separate forms by his [[Enigma of Combination]]. Unpredictable, fascinated by change, and a lighthearted prankster.
*'''[[Onyx Prime (Prime)|Onyx Prime]]''' - The first beast-form Cybertronian, a primitive and spiritual being able to view other times, places, souls and even the afterlife through his three-faced [[Triptych Mask]].
*'''[[Amalgamous Prime]]''' - The joker of the Thirteen and the first [[Shifter]], unpredictable and easygoing. He was first Cybertronian with the ability of [[transformation]], granted him by his [[Transformation Cog]], which became the basis for the cogs in all subsequent Trasnformer life.
*'''[[Quintus Prime]]''' - A daydreamer and perfectionist whose drive to express his ideas led him to become a scientist. His artifact was the [[Emberstone]], which gave him the ability to create life; the [[Quintesson]]s were among his creations.
*'''[[Liege Maximo (WFC)|Liege Maximo]]''' - The manipulator. Though his artifact was notionally the toxin-loaded [[Legian Darts]], his real skill was his ability to talk others into his way of thinking—a black art that ultimately caused the downfall of the Thirteen.
*'''[[Megatronus (WFC)|Megatronus]]''' - The warrior of darkness, Prima's opposite number, whose role as the necessary counterbalance set him apart from his fellow Primes. His artifact was the [[Requiem Blaster (Prime)|Requiem Blaster]], created for him by Solus; this act began a doomed romance between the two that led to his turning on his brothers and becoming known as '''The Fallen'''.
*'''[[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]]''' - The mediator of the Primes, who united the Thirteen by being the first among them to raise an arm in greeting. He would subsequently be reincarnated as '''Orion Pax'''.

==Fiction==
===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
[[File:Thefallen.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|No, seriously guys, is it just me, or is it hot in here?]]
[[The Fallen]] was thwarted in his attempt to sabotage [[Primus]]' [[Cybertron (planet)|physical form]], and the Thirteen allegedly died after casting the Fallen and his master [[Unicron]] through a [[black hole]] into another dimension. In truth, the Fallen was imprisoned in another dimension, while [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] kept watch over the Transformers in the [[Well of All Sparks]] and Primus entered his eternal sleep to hide from Unicron. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}}

After [[Optimus Prime (G1)#Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)#Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Megatron]] were lost in a [[space bridge]] explosion, the Fallen was free from his prison in [[Transwarp|underspace]], and returned to Cybertron. He immediately set about trying to undo the [[Seal of Primus]] that locked the Well of All Sparks. However, upon his success, the Fallen was promptly destroyed by his reawoken creator. {{storylink|Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages}}

{{note|It was revealed long after the demise of ''Dreamwave'' that an issue was planned which involved the return of both [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] and the Fallen, meaning his "death" would not have been final. The Fallen would have appeared in a one-shot story entitled "[[The Enemy Within]]", when in the present, Jetfire discovered Shockwave broke the Seal for his cloning experiments. The Fallen's essence escaped and corrupted [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]], and following his death, passed into Jetfire. ''Dreamwave'''s bankruptcy meant the story was never published.}}

===Fun Publications===
[[Vector Prime (Cybertron)|Vector Prime]] aided the [[Autobot]]s in finding the [[Cyber Planet Key]]s to close the [[Unicron Singularity]]. He regularly reported their progress to [[Alpha Trion (Energon)|Alpha Trion]], but during one visit Unicron's servants [[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]] and [[Nemesis Prime (Universe)|Nemesis Prime]] attacked. {{storylink|Balancing Act}} [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]] came to Cybertron looking for clues to his past, only to be attacked by [[Scorponok (Energon)|Dark Scorponok]], {{storylink|Balancing Act, Part 2}} but his forcefield protected him. Ramjet offered him clues to his past in exchange for his <s>soul</s> service. {{storylink|Balancing Act, Part 3}} They went to Primus' spark core to destroy him with the [[Dead Matrix]], but Vector and [[Sentinel Maximus]] fought back. {{storylink|Balancing Act, Part 4}} Ramjet said he would stop trying to kill Primus if Vector aided them in restoring the balance by resurrecting Unicron, but he refused. {{storylink|Balancing Act, Pt 5}} Skyfall tried to save Ramjet but his forcefield only ignited an explosion that killed Ramjet. {{storylink|Revelations Part 1}} Vector had drones repair Skyfall and found [[Omega Prime]]—Trion's creation from a [[Viron]] universe—had helped Sentinel defeated Nemesis. Omega's presence saddened Vector, as it confirmed the multiverse was falling apart, and he left. {{storylink|Revelations Part 2}}

Skyfall was helping Sentinel repair [[Vector Sigma]], when [[Over-Run (Armada)|Over-Run]] informed him he had found a twenty-million-cycle-old carving of him and another bot. {{storylink|Revelations Part 4}} Immediately during a battle between [[Mini-Con]] Autobots and [[Decepticon]]s, Skyfall found [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]]. {{storylink|Revelations Part 5}} The two seemingly vanished when Unicron attacked, {{storylink|Revelations Part 6}} when they had been transported to [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]]'s universe, {{storylink|Crossing Over, Part 1}} and the trio and went through a [[space bridge]] {{storylink|Crossing Over: Part 6}} to find [[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]] in [[Axiom Nexus]]. [[Cheetor (TransTech)|Cheetor]] and [[Silverbolt (TransTech)|Silverbolt]] introduced the trio to [[Alpha Trion (SG)|Alpha Trion]]. However, [[Shockwave (TransTech)|Shockwave]] had Breakaway quietly subdued and taken to his laboratory. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 1}} Skyfall and Landquake realized Breakaway was gone, but Alpha Trion told them to come with him if they wanted to rescue their brother from the evil [[Transcendent Technomorph|TransTechs]]. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 2}} He explained he was not from this dimension and was part of a resistance movement, introducing them to Topspin, whose job was to transfer their [[lowtech]] followers' [[spark]]s into their TransTech counterparts. Realizing Topspin was one of their kin, Skyfall and Landquake agreed to help. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 3}} [[Nightscream (TransTech)|Nightscream]] found Breakaway was being held near the portal to Alpha Trion's dimension, {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 4}} and his acolytes attacked, rescuing Breakaway {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 5}} and entering the [[transwarp]] device. Alpha Trion explained to Skyfall he was the key to the reunification, and killed him as they entered [[Shattered Glass|his universe]]. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 6}}
[[File:Reunification5-arisenexusprime.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.95]]
Despite his claim his was a peaceful world, Alpha Trion shot [[Downshift (SG)|Downshift]], and Breakaway realized Skyfall had been killed by an energy blade rather than shot from behind as the old Autobot claimed. Alpha Trion's troops arrived, took the four components and he proclaimed he would kill them all—as reunification still worked with one of them dead—and that his reign would begin. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 1}} Landquake manipulated the raw energon and used smokebombs to escape, with Topspin and Breakaway carrying Skyfall. Weeks later, after trying unsuccessfully to revive Skyfall, {{storylink|Reunification: Part 2}} the [[Quintesson]] [[Aquarius (SG)|Aquarius]] appeared to take them to [[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 3}} Landquake explained their situation to the Decepticons, and Megatron asked [[Cyclonus (SG)|Cyclonus]] to bring [[Heatwave (Timelines)|Heatwave]], but then Cyclonus, revealing himself to be an agent of Alpha Trion, assassinated Megatron. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 4}} Breakaway suggested they use their powers to revive Megatron, and found themselves in a white space with Skyfall and Primus. They made their choice: [[Nexus Prime (Classics)|Nexus Prime]] was reborn. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 5}} Nexus resurrected Megatron as Galvatron and defeated [[Omega Doom]]. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 6}} Using Galvatron's gift of the [[stellar spanner]], Nexus and Aquarius began dimension-hopping to find the shards of the [[Star Saber (Prima)|artifact]] he had been entrusted with, so he could complete his memories. {{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 1}}

===''Beast Wars Reborn''===
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The '''Ancients''' (エンシェント ''Enshento'') were the original clan of Transformers created by Primus before he became [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], and possessed extraordinary powers over space and time. One of them, [[Soundblaster (Cybertron)|Logos Prime]], lost sight of his objective and memory of him faded away. {{Storylink|Planetfall (BWR)|Planetfall}} He would return under the name of Soundblaster, abducting [[Optimus Primal/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]] and [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]] so he could apparently appoint Megatron as his successor. [[Vector Prime (Cybertron)|Vector Prime]] was sent by Primus to stop the plot and was taken aback when confronted with his fellow Ancient who he thought lost. {{Storylink|Master of the Game}} While Vector Prime and what remained of Logos Prime fought on the astral plane, Soundblaster revealed the [[Zeonomicon]], the key to his power, and had Optimus and Megatron hunt it down on [[Animatron]] to decide who would inherit his power. {{storylink|Planetfall (BWR)|Planetfall}}

===Live-action film series===
{{main|Dynasty of Primes}}
[[File:ROTF-sixprimes.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|The Primes in the Matrix/Allspark/surreal part of Primus's imagination.]]
The Primes were the guardians of the [[AllSpark]], charged with replenishing it. They commanded [[Seeker (ROTF)|Seekers]] and [[Constructicon (ROTF)|workers]] to find stars and replenish the AllSpark with their energy. The Fallen began seeing himself as the AllSpark's chosen one and began destroying solar systems with sentient life to replenish the Cube. His brothers warned him not to do it again, so The Fallen tried it again on [[Earth]] to lure them. {{storylink|Tales of the Fallen issue 3|Tales of the Fallen #3}} The Fallen slaughtered all his brothers bar Prima himself, who gathered his brothers' lifeforce to trap The Fallen in his [[sarcophagus]]. Prima sacrificed himself to form a [[Tomb of the Primes|tomb]] with his brothers' bodies to hide the Matrix. {{storylink|Tales of the Fallen issue 4|Tales of the Fallen #4}}

A long time passed, and The Fallen was eventually dug up. From his prison, he pushed [[Megatron (Movie)|High Protector Megatron]] into forming the Decepticons. {{storylink|Defiance issue 2|Defiance #2}} Thousands of years later, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], the sole surviving descendant of the Primes to survive The Fallen's rampage, {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen issue 3|Revenge of the Fallen #3}} had been killed. The Primes appeared to [[Sam Witwicky (Movie)|Sam Witwicky]], giving him the Matrix to revive Optimus, and Optimus avenged The Fallen's brothers by killing him. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

{{note|The ''Revenge of the Fallen'' adaptations have thirteen Primes. While designs were made for twelve non-Fallen Prime heads, the finished film shows only seven Primes, and this change was followed in ''[[Transformers: Tales of the Fallen|Tales of the Fallen]]'' and [[Transformers (Titan Magazine)|the Titan magazine]]. Prima's appearance was retconned by Hasbro at [[BotCon 2010]].}}

===Aligned continuity===
{{note|"Anything you know from past generations of the brand may or may not be factual in the new continuity."<ref>[[Hasbro Q&A/September 2010: Answers|Hasbro Q&A, September 2010: {{SITENAME SHORT}}]]</ref><ref>[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=74182 Hasbro Q&A, September 2010: AllSpark.com]</ref>}}
[[File:OneShallRise1-TheThirteen.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|They're not a fan of direct lighting.]]
Legend says that [[Primus]] created the Thirteen to defeat [[Unicron]]. The Thirteen succeeded, and Unicron's defeated form was cast by them into space. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 1}}

Statues of the Thirteen were created at some point after they defeated Unicron. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 3}}

What is known about the Primes is that their war made "enemies of brothers, murderers of lovers, heroes of the insignificant, and cowards of the mighty". Allegiances formed and broke apart: Megatronus refused to bow before his brothers, and he believed he would be vindicated someday despite his destructive methods. The murder of one sent them across the stars, to battle among themselves for billions of cycles. Finally, there came a time when Prima had to relinquish the Matrix. Afterwards, the [[Covenant of Primus]] decreed Cybertron could only have one Prime at a time.
[[File:OneShallRise1-Thirteenattack.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.66|Three seconds of one episode made up for a lifetime of lack of Thirteen images.]]
[[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]] remained on Cybertron, recording these events into the Covenant, and the Primes became myths doubted by [[Jazz (WFC)|some]]. Alpha Trion retreated into becoming the Archivist of the [[Hall of Records]] when [[Sentinel Zeta Prime|Sentinel Prime]], the [[Autobot High Council|High Council]] and the [[Guilds of Cybertron]] ignored his protests about the [[caste system]]. The [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] did not bestow itself onto another until the unworthy Sentinel died, and [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] was imbued with it, while his nemesis had become known as [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]], who like his namesake had come to destroy that he believed in. {{storylink|Transformers: Exodus|Exodus}}
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==Notes==
*''Transformers: The Ultimate Guide'' asserts that all of the Thirteen were destroyed in the early battle between Primus and Unicron, but the statement was disproven by the book itself, since it recounted how The Fallen was not destroyed but exiled to a transdimensional prison from which he later escaped. Fun Publications comics would later depict Vector Prime as the sole surviving member of the Thirteen, and then go on to introduce Nexus Prime as a co-survivor alongside him.
*In Hasbro Q&A on October, 2009 from [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=63609 ''The Allspark Forum''], The Thirteen are referred to as "the Original Epic Warriors of Cybertron" by Hasbro.
*The notion of the Primes being originally huge is similar to early ''Revenge of the Fallen'' concepts where the Fallen dwarfed Optimus and was almost the size of a pyramid, as evident from [[Defiance issue 4|''Defiance'' #4]] and the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|novelization]].
*In "[[Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations]]", [[James Roberts]] came up with a completely different creation story for [[IDW Publishing]]'s Transformers, just because he ''can''. There is still [[Guiding Hand|an original group of Transformers]] and a war caused by treachery, but in that version the traitor is another god named [[Mortilus]]. "[[The Crucible]]", by [[John Barber]], subsequently established there existed Thirteen Original Primes in the IDW continuity, based off the Thirteen as depicted in the Aligned continuity family. While unknown if they were the original Transformers, Alpha Trion mentions they possessed a bond to Primus.

==References==
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Legacy: The Art of Transformers Packaging

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|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|written by=[[Jim Sorenson]] & [[Bill Forster]]
|date=[[October 8]], [[2014]]
|pagecount=296
|price=$49.99 USD
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|ISBN=ISBN 1613779437 ISBN 978-1613779439
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'''''LEGACY: The Art of Transformers Packaging''''' is a hardcover book featuring the [[package art|packaging art]] of [[The_Transformers_(toyline)|Generation 1]] and [[Transformers:_Generation_2_(toyline)|Generation 2]]. Additional content is to include interviews and essays from the original artists, [[catalog]] art, design sketches, and unused packaging artwork.

==Contents==
===Part One: The Early Years===
*Foreword.
*[[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] mint in box photograph.
*[[Tantrum (G1)|Tantrum]] pre-production package photograph.
*1985 Japanese Catalogue artwork.
*"Illustrators Wanted" advert mock-up.
====Chapter One: Classics====
*"Classic" Era Autobot and Decepticon packaging artwork.
*1986 Japanese package back.
====Chapter Two: Movie Era====
*"Movie Era" Autobot and Decepticon packaging artwork.
===Part Two: More Than Meets the Eye===
*Action Master [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] mint on card photograph.
*Pretender proof-of-concept illustration.
*Early Action Masters packaging mock-up.
*Powermaster Optimus Prime mint in sealed box photograph.
====Chapter Three: Scramble City====
*1986 Japanese [[Scramble City (toyline)|Scramble City]] in-store display artwork.
*Early draft of [[Blades (G1)|Blades]] artwork.
*Scramble City Autobot and Decepticon packaging artwork.
*1987 package back.

====Chapter Four: Nebulan Era====
*Early concept sketches for Powermaster Optimus Prime.
*"Nebulan Era" Autobot and Decepticon packaging artwork.
====Chapter Five: Pretenders====
*1989 Pretenders package battle scene.
*Unused Pretenders logo.
*Pretenders Autobot and Decepticon packaging artwork.
====Chapter Six: Micromasters====
*1989 Micromasters package battle scenes.
*G2 logo with pantone guide.
*Pretender and Micromaster logos.
*Autobot sigils for 1988-89 and 1990.
*Autobot logo, 1988-90.
*Micromasters Autobot and Decepticon packaging artwork.
====Chapter Seven: Action Masters====
*1990 Action Masters package back.
*Action Masters Autobot and Decepticon packaging artwork.
===Part Three: Made in Japan===
*[[Roadfire]] mint in box photograph.
*[[Minerva]] mint in sealed box photograph.
*[[Blacker]] 360 degrees view mint in sealed box photograph.
*1985 package back (Japanese variant).
====Chapter Eight: Headmasters+====
*"Headmaster+" Cybertron and Destron packaging artwork.
*1988 package back.
====Chapter Nine: Masterforce====
*"Masterforce" Cybertron and Destron packaging artwork.
====Chapter Ten: Victory====
*1989 Victory package back.
*"Victory" Cybertron and Destron packaging artwork.
*1991 Return of Convoy package back.
*G2 Decepticon sigil with pantone.
*1990 nameplate.
*Pretenders and Micromasters logos.
*Decepticon sigil 1988-1989, 1990.
*Decepticon logo, 19888-1990.
====Chapter Eleven: Zone & Beyond====
*"Zone & Beyond" Cybertron and Destron packaging artwork.
===Part Four: Generations===
*Unreleased Generation 2 [[Breakdown (G1)|Breakdown]] photograph.
*[[Electro]] with FX overlay.
*G2 [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] sketch.
*Generation 2 [[Gobots]] production proof card.
*Generation 2 style guide page.
====Chapter Twelve: Generation 2====
*1995 Japanese Generation 2 catalog artwork.
*Early development drawing for Optimus Prime.
*"Generation 2" Autobot and Decepticon packaging artwork.
====Chapter Thirteen: Unused====
*Early Takara concept artwork.
*Unused Transformers logos.
*Unused Autobot and Decepticon packaging artwork.
*Diaclone vs Micro Change "Exciting Robots" proposal.
====Chapter Fourteen: Oddities====
*Oddities pre-Transformers packaging artwork.
*1989 package battle scenes.
*1984 package back.
*[[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] catalog artwork.
*1985 package back.
*1986 package back.
*Colorforms artwork.
*Neo G1 packaging artwork.
*Return of Convoy package back (alternate).
*Japanese exclusive [[Defeat Trypticon Strategy Game]] cover.
*UK exclusives packaging artwork.
*US Puzzle art.
*UK puzzle art.
*Variants packaging artwork.
*Afterword
*Acknowledgements.

==Errors==
*On page 156, [[Minerva (Masterforce)|Minerva]] is spelled "Minera".

[[Category:Generation 1 books]]
[[Category:Generation 2 media]]

Package art

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[[File:G1 OptimusPrime boxart.jpg|thumb|upright=1.95|Box art for [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] in 1984 by [[Jeffrey Mangiat]].]]

Throughout the life of the [[Transformers brand|''Transformers'' brand]], '''package art''' has been one of its most common elements. Though not as widely noted and celebrated as [[Tech Spec]]s, it is just as enduring and iconic to the brand. In the fandom, it is also referred to as '''box art''', though it also appears on carded toy [[Packaging|packages]].

''Transformers'' package art most often serves to portray the toy in the mode that it isn't packaged in. As most Transformers are sold in their non-robot forms, it typically shows them as robots (or whatever their equivalent primary mode is.)

===Generation 1===
[[File:Thunderwingboxart.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|All that hard work and they STILL missed a mode.]]
Every Transformer sold in Generation 1 featured hand-painted artwork on the front of the package, most often showing the robot mode, with the vehicle form of the actual toy visible alongside it through a clear plastic window or bubble. A smaller version of the art was shown as part of the character's [[bio]]graphy and [[Tech Spec]] profile. Generation 1's package art also showed up in numerous merchandising items, such as [[Action Cards]], [[Pack-in material|pack-in flyers]], [[iron-on patch]]es, party hats, and more.

Some toys would also have art depicting their vehicle mode. The [[Jumpstarter]]s had vehicle art because they were packaged in robot mode, and the [[Triple Changer]]s had art for the vehicle mode the toy wasn't packaged in. The tech specs still used the robot art only. [[Punch (G1)|Punch]] also had boxart for both of his robot modes. Another exception to the rule was the [[Clone (subgroup)|Clones]], sold packaged in their identical robot modes, with artwork of their different alternate modes alongside them. Vehicle mode art was generally used only on windowed boxes, since the non-windowed boxes (such as [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]], and [[Countdown (G1)|Countdown]]) had large pictures of all alternate modes on the front.

Package art for the multiple-form [[Pretender]]s featured all of their forms: outer shell and both modes of the inner robot. As the multiple-form [[Mega Pretender|Mega]] and [[Ultra Pretender]] toys came along, this resulted in some rather crowded package art.

[[File:G1 boxart at botcon.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|When we win the lottery, this is where we're going.]]
The character art for many of the [[Diaclone]]-licensed characters was directly appropriated from their original Diaclone boxes, including Autobot vehicles, Dinobots, and Decepticon cassettes. This style was maintained for all newly commissioned Generation 1 (and Generation 2) character art, presumably for consistency.

This art style often depicted a somewhat fictionalized version of the robot mode. While the reproduction of the toy's finer details was done very faithfully, the actual poses were often utterly impossible to reproduce given the limited articulation of most ''Generation 1'' toys. Seemingly, the less the posable the toy was, the greater the artistic exaggeration tended to be; thus, the [[Throttlebot]]s and [[Battlecharger]]s were shown with jointed arms, separable legs and posable heads, even though the represented toys lacked all these features.

Some of the first year's character art, such as [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]], and some of the [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]]s, were painted by [[Jeffrey Mangiat]]. The [[Mini Vehicle#Generation 1|1984 mini-vehicles]], as well as [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]], were illustrated by [[Mark Watts]]. A large portion of the 1986 through 1988 character line art was done by [[Richard Marcej]][http://www.baboonbooks.com/portfolio/Illustration_images/Transformers/trans_illus.html], including some if not all of the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]], [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]], [[Targetmaster]]s, [[Powermaster]]s, [[Seacon (G1)|Seacons]] and [[Pretender]]s. Much of the late-run ''Generation 1'' package art was the work of Japanese illustrator [[Hidetsugu Yoshioka]], whose work brought a dynamic and appealing style to the often blocky and simplistic toys.

A number of the original ''Generation 1'' paintings have appeared for sale at recent [[BotCon]]s, at asking prices starting at $650 and ranging up to several thousand dollars.
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====Back of the box art====
[[File:G1 1984 backofboxbattle.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|My name is Optimus Prime. I'm Japanese!]]
For the first five years, the boxed toys of ''Generation 1'' also featured hand-painted, mural-like artwork depicting that year's toyline engaged in battle.

Compared to the fiction which developed around the toys, these paintings often feature some rather surreal elements. Multiples of the same character are shown (sometimes to depict movement, and possibly a result of the ''Transformers'' toys' original fictional origin as piloted mecha), and cars are seen to fly through space. Occasional off-model characters appear as well, such as a red Tracks or a strange-looking Broadside.

The original 1984 painting by [[David Schleinkofer]] showed the Transformers battling in deep space. The 1985 toy assortment was shown fighting in Earth orbit, with the planet sustaining some massive damage below them. In 1986, they were on the barren surface of a planet, centered around Metroplex. (1985 and 1986's were painted by Jeffrey Mangiat.) The 1987 battle was once again in deep space, with [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] and [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] as the clear centerpieces; 1988 was likewise set in deep space.

[[File:SpaceshotAngry.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|I'll finish you yet, Dudley Do-Right!]]
With the proliferation of Pretenders and [[Micromaster]] bases in 1989, the standardized back-of-box art was replaced with a series of rather crude and cartoonish hand-drawn scenes, each showing a few of that year's characters engaged in combat, typically the toy type (Micromaster base, Mega Pretender, etc.) that was being sold in the package. The line art for these illustrations was apparently all done by [[Richard Marcej]] [http://www.baboonbooks.com/portfolio/Illustration_images/Battle%20Scenes/TransbattleIllus.html], who was creditably also responsible for much of the higher-quality character art from earlier years.

The Action Masters in 1990 did get a more traditional mural painting, showing a battle in low Earth orbit, complete with ground vehicles flying through space.
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===Generation 2===
''Generation 2'' featured a combination of retouched (or redrawn-to-look-as-if-it-were-retouched) ''Generation 1'' (obviously for the repainted or retooled ''Generation 1'' toys) and all-new artwork to accompany the new toys. This new artwork was closer in resemblance to the artwork seen in the last years of ''Generation 1'' than the early art.

Some of ''Generation 2'''s package art was reproduced on a series of pack-in [[Real Action Pop-Ups 3-D Transformer Trading Card]]s.

===Beast Wars===
[[File:Sonar-bw-packageart.jpg|left|upright=0.85|thumb|The Batclaw.]]
''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' continued the painted-art standard of ''Generation 1'', though the artwork tended to exaggerate the beastly qualities of the robot modes. Occasional use of the mutant head feature on the early ''Beast Wars'' toys sometimes led to rather strange results.

[[File:Rampage-backofthebox.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Terror Claws, the nemesis of Echowarrior.]]

Three of the largest ''Beast Wars'' toys (the Transmetals [[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]], [[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]] and [[Optimus Primal|Optimal Optimus]]) featured a "schematic" drawing of the toy in robot mode on the back of the box, in blue line-on-black form, alongside a photograph of the actual toy. The drawing had call-outs for such [[Power Plans|bizarre technical details]] as "[[galva-conductor]]s", "terror claws", "space cruiser wings", and "LED smart missile plasma cannons".

The later Transmetal 2 toys [[Tigerhawk]] and Megatron omitted the line art and used the toy photo to call out the techno-nonsense. These two toys also featured added box art placed so that the toys, visible through the box's plastic window, appeared to be firing their weapons. Megatron, for example, appeared to have a stream of fire spewing from his dragon head's mouth.
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===Machine Wars===
''[[Machine Wars: Transformers|Machine Wars]]'' was composed of mostly repaints/retools from the 1992 European ''Generation 1'' toyline and previously unused ''Generation 2''. The only packaging art created for the line was the art for [[Hubcap (MW)|Hubcap]] and [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]]. [[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]], [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] used art from the [[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1 toys]] they were [[redeco]]es of. The Basic jets used recolored [[Predator (subgroup)|Predator]] art, and [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] and [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] used [[Laser Rod]] [[Jolt (G2)|Jolt]]'s art. Oddly, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] didn't use [[Thunder Clash]]'s art, but instead used a heavily edited version of Laser Optimus Prime's art. (As a result, Prime's box art indicates that the toy has a mouthplate, which is not the case.)

===Beast Machines===
The ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Machines]]'' toyline was the first to break with the tradition established by ''Generation 1''. Most packages featured the CGI-rendered robot mode of [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]], rather than the character whose toy was being sold. For the "The Battle for the Sparks" subline, Cheetor was replaced by [[Optimus Primal]] in beast mode. The "Dinobots" subline featured [[T-Wrecks]] in beast mode.

The CGI model of boxed characters who appeared on [[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)|the show]], such as [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]], appeared on the back of their boxes alongside their profile.

===Robots in Disguise===
''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (toyline)|Robots in Disguise]]'' restored individual character portrayals to the front of packages... but these were simply computer-enhanced photographs of the actual toys within, often transformed to varying degrees of accuracy. The Japanese ''Car Robots'' releases continued to use the type of CGI boxart used on the Japanese ''Beast Wars'' toys.

===Armada===
[[File:OptimusPrimeUT-Armada.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Obesity is my destiny!]]
With the new ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Armada]]'' toyline and franchise continuity, Hasbro's ''Transformers'' packaging returned to hand-drawn character art for the first time since the end of ''Beast Wars''. Drawn by artists from [[Dreamwave Productions]], this art followed a comic book style with modern Photoshop colouring, rather than the hand-painted work of ''Generation 1''.

This art was also reproduced onto a collectible sticker that was included with all ''Armada'' toys from the Super-Con size class and upwards.

*The Mini-Con class toys featured a single piece of artwork of one of the Mini-Con team members on the insert tray card
*The Super-Con class toys did not feature artwork directly on the packaging card itself, instead opting to display the collector sticker in the packaging bubble.
*Max-Con, Giga-Con, Super Base and Supreme class toys all featured art directly printed onto the packaging.
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===Commemorative Series===
The ''[[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Generation One Commemorative Series]]'' series featured a wide range of previously seen art, from the original 1980s packaging art to the ''Transformers Collection'' reissue artwork by [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]]. Additionally, all-new art by Dreamwave artist/president [[Pat Lee]] was commissioned for several of the later reissues, coupled with a few instances of recycled artwork originally drawn by Lee for the covers of Dreamwave's [[Prime Directive|first ''Generation 1'' mini-series]].

===Universe===
[[File:KingAtlas-card.jpg|120px|thumb|Hey! Come back with my purse!]]
''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' packaging art were mostly by the Dreamwave affiliated artists, but while the penciling was of the same general quality and style of the mainline art, the colouring was often much flatter and lacking in depth. Additionally, some toys featured artwork by Hasbro's in-house artists attempting to emulate the then-popular Dreamwave style, to extremely varied results.

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===Energon===
[[File:Energon Perceptor cardart.jpg|left|100px|thumb|Hahahaha, I've got your purse!]]
The ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' toyline featured the same style of comic artwork first seen in the ''Armada'' line, this time featuring all of the characters included in a toy package where possible (for example, an entire Mini-Con team as opposed to just a single member as seen during ''Armada''). Once again, artists affiliated with Dreamwave Productions provided the artwork. Similarly to ''Armada'', for toys Deluxe class and upwards the packaging art was reproduced on collectible tech spec cards included with paperwork or taped inside the packaging bubble.
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===Alternators===
[[File:Swindleart.jpg|100px|thumb|Combaticon Night Fever]]
The ''[[Transformers: Alternators|Alternators]]'' toyline originally featured the same style of full-body artwork seen in the other ''Transformers'' toylines at the time, once again by various Dreamwave artists (namely [[Pat Lee]], [[Don Figueroa]], [[Alex Milne]], [[Joe Ng]], [[Guido Guidi]] and [[Marcelo Matere]]). However, when the packaging style switched to the large plastic bubble/cardboard tray configuration in late 2005, the packaging art style—now entirely drawn by Marcelo Matere—was changed to emulate the focused upper torso style seen in the ''Cybertron'' toyline, though the art was coloured more closely to the comic book style.
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===Cybertron===
[[File:Armorhide-UTA.jpg|left|100px|thumb|It's gonna be a Cybertronsical Transformertastic Snit in the [[Pit]]! Only $49.95 on Pay-Per-View!]]
''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'s'' packaging artwork headed in a dramatically different direction to the previous years, dropping the comic book style in favour of focusing on the upper torso of the character while they were in a 'ready to fight' pose, similar to the advertising [[posters]] of boxing matches. The artwork was drawn mostly by now-freelance ex-Dreamwave artists, and coloured in a style passably similar to the painted ''Generation 1''/''Generation 2'' art.
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===Classics===
Similarly to ''Robots in Disguise'', the ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' toyline was created as a 'filler' line, to plug the gap between the end of ''Cybertron'' and the beginning of the 2007 live action movie toyline. As such, Hasbro once again returned to using photographs of the toys instead of actual drawn artwork.

A feature of the packaging was a card on the front that, when moved, revealed one of the toy's modes.

===Masterpiece===
[[File:MP Starscream book cover art.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Starscream in his elder years.]]
''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' figures use photographs for their box art, but also have "real" package art on the covers of their [[Instructions|instruction booklets]] and on their included collectible cards.
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===Robot Heroes===
''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]'' featured ''extremely'' cute [[super deformed]]-style artwork of the figures.

===Transformers (2007)===
[[File:Blackout-packageart.jpg|left|100px|thumb|Like most movie characters, he could stab you with his head.]]
[[File:Brawl-cyber-slammer-boxart.jpg|125px|thumb|Cyber Slammer [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]], adorable death machine.]]
The majority of the "main line" toys from the [[Movie (toyline)|2007 movie toyline]] featured a very exactingly detailed mugshot of the character (seemingly hand-painted), surrounded by technological greeblies. The characters featured in the film appear to use the movie models as a starting point, though there are some difference in coloration and detail.

In Europe, this art was replaced by a photo of the toy in robot mode, which was also used on the rear of the packaging. Some of this art (as well as the packaging design) was also used by several licensed merchandise manufacturers.

The [[Fast Action Battlers]] and [[Cyber Slammers]] sublines had traditional hand-drawn art, but done in a more rounded, 'cuter' style to fit the younger target age group of the toys.

The [[Real Gear Robot]]s opted to use a closeup photograph of the toy's upper torso, similarly to ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'', while the Target-exclusive Scout class range of redecos lacked any sort of packaging art.
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===Transformers Animated===
[[File:Prowl-animated-packageart.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|Three annoying companions, two bladed mecha stars, and a ninja in a park tree.]]
[[File:Ratchet-animated-packageart.jpg|85px|thumb|Grumpy bot for sale.]]
The ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]'' line predominantly uses character models and promotional images from the actual [[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers Animated cartoon]], which is a first for the North American Transformers toyline.

The Deluxe packaging features a large image of the character, showing the bulk of their body and generally in an action pose, on the front of the plastic packaging bubble. A different image is used as a smaller mug shot on the side of the bubble and on the back of the card by their quote, possibly making ''Animated'' the first series to give each toy ''two'' unique pieces of character package art.

This layout is replicated for the Voyager size-class toys, though obviously the front and side images are printed on exterior cardboard.
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===Universe (2008)===
[[File:Prowl-universe2008-packageart.jpg|100px|thumb|DO NOT WANT]]
The all-new ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' sees a return of comic book-style packaging art, with an upper torso drawing of the character printed either on the carded package or the box. To the amusement of all, some of the art also sees a return of the [[Dull surprise|glassy-eyed, slack-jawed expressions]] first seen during the days of Dreamwave Productions. Artist [[Marcelo Matere]] commented [http://mmatere.deviantart.com/art/Prowl-Classics-boxart-81892593?offset=10#comments on his deviantART page] that Hasbro had requested a more static, statue-like depiction for this line.
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===Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen===
[[File:ROTFBlowpipe headdesign.JPG|thumb|upright=0.85|left|[[Blowpipe (ROTF)|Blowpipe]]'s package art.]]
[[File:Demolishor-packageart.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85|[[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]]'s package art.]]
The return to the live-action movie toy line with ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' sees a return to minimalist character artwork. Instead of the 2007 movie line's head-on, forward-facing headshots, the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' toy line uses three-quarter profiles of the head.
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===Transformers (2010)===
[[File:Highbrow TF2010 boxart.jpg|thumb|left|110px|[[Highbrow (TF 2010)|Highbrow]]'s package art.]]
[[File:SteamhammerPackageArt.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85|[[Steamhammer (PCC)|Steamhammer]] with his [[Constructicon (PCC)|Constructicons]]. PELVIC THRUST. WOOOO!]]
The secondary-title-less [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'' line]] changes the Voyager [[size class]], with ''all'' toys in that size now being packaged in [[robot mode]]. As a consequence, the package art now depicts each toy in its [[alternate mode]] on the front of the packaging, with the robot mode art being placed on the side of the packaging, just above the [[bio]]. The Leader-class and Scout-class toys remain packaged in their robot modes, so they get the same treatment, although the small size of the Scout class limits their art to their alternate mode. The [[Power Core Combiners]] are also packaged in robot mode, so the two-packs feature their combined alternate mode/[[Mini-Con]] art. The five-packs' package art only depicts the [[Combiner|combined robot]] mode, however.
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===Transformers Generations===
The third iteration of the Classics/Universe franchise, the Deluxe-only ''[[Transformers: Generations]]'' line has ''two'' styles of packaging art, reflecting how it's essentially two separate lines connected by name. The first line of Generations toys were done with packaging art similar to Universe's style. However, the robots usually didn't suffer from [[Dull surprise]], and are a fair bit smaller. The second iteration of Generations, released in 2012 as a toyline for [[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|''Transformers: Fall of Cybertron'']] in all but name, have a much larger render of the respective robot behind the line's title.
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===Dark of the Moon===
[[File:DarkSteelPackagePic.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Darksteel's package art.]]
''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]'' once again returned to the live-action movie-style minimalist character artwork, all the while taking some cues from the previous 2010 toyline. Instead of the 2009 ''Revenge of the Fallen'' line's three-quarter profiled head-shots, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Deluxe Class toys 2|most]] Deluxe-class toys and all [[Cyberverse]] playsets now depict a rendered bust-like shot of the character, seen from a slightly upward angle and with the characters staring off into the distance. The Voyager, Leader, and Cyberverse Commander classes have rendered vehicle forms instead, also seen from an angle. The art itself takes a big step forward, with the renders themselves (which were made by [http://www.indigostudios.com/news/2011/07/1934/ Indigo Studios]) being ''ridiculously'' detailed and shiny, looking almost realistic and being as close to the live-action movie aesthetic as possible. This even applies to some non-film characters, like [[Space Case (DOTM)|Space Case]] and [[Darksteel (DOTM)|Darksteel]], who received incredibly detailed mugshots that make them look like they could plausibly be rendered and easily fit alongside the other robots on film.
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===Transformers: Prime===
[[File:Thundertronpackagingart.jpg|thumb|left|upright=0.85|Package art of "Robots in Disguise" [[Thundertron]], a character who had previously only existed in [[Transformers: Exiles|prose]]... and a canceled [[Transformers Online|Chinese MMORPG]].]]
[[File:Shockwave CGI Packaging 1.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85|Package art of "Beast Hunters" Voyager Class [[Shockwave (WFC)#Beast Hunters|Shockwave]], seen here wearing his fancy removable toy-accurate "beast armor", and, er, saluting?]]
There were essentially three toylines under the ''[[Transformers: Prime (toyline)|Transformers: Prime]]'' banner.
====First Edition====
The first toyline was "First Edition", a "preview" toyline of sorts which featured package art consisting of touched-up concept art of the cast of Prime.
====Robots in Disguise====
The "main" toyline was "Robots in Disguise", and used CGI renders of the characters for its package art. For [[redeco]]ed/[[retool]]ed characters, (such as [[Hot Shot (Prime)|Hot Shot]], a [[retool]] of [[Bumblebee (WFC)#Deluxe|Bumblebee]]) the CGI was often modified, featuring different colors, heads, and even poses/angles.

====Beast Hunters====
The third and final toyline was "[[Beast Hunters]]", which still used CGI renders for its package art. A CGI render of [[Predaking (Prime)|Predaking]] in his dragon mode was featured in some way on all of the packages, and the Deluxe Class and Cyberverse toys lacked individual package art, using only toy stock photos, whereas only the Voyager and Ultimate Class toys continued to use CGI renders.
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==Japan==

===Generation 1===

[[TakaraTomy|Takara]] followed Hasbro's lead with regard to the packaging design of Transformers, with the vast majority of the character artwork for the first three years of the line being identical to their U.S. releases. In some instances however, Takara utilized different artwork from Hasbro for some of the line's figures, including among others alternate character artwork for Optimus Prime, [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain (white version)]], [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] and Fortress Maximus. Takara also had new artwork in the same style as the preceding Diaclone and Hasbro character artwork created for Japanese-only retail figures, and this artwork style was maintained through to the end of the Japanese Generation 1 run in 1992. In some (but not all) instances where a toy was released in different colors than the Hasbro release, the Hasbro artwork was simply reused with the appropriate modifications, such as [[Quickswitch (G1)|Quickswitch]] and [[Sixknight]].

====Back of the box art====

For the back-of-box artwork Takara initially reused the 1984 painting for their initial releases in 1985, but later switched to a heavily modified version of Hasbro's 1985 back-of-box art, altered to include several more characters, most prominently [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], while at the same time totally removing the non-Takara toys such as the [[Insecticon (G1)|Deluxe Insecticons]] and [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]. For 1986, Takara had a totally unique piece of artwork in a similar style spotlighting the 1986 Scramble City combiner and citybot toys, in addition to also reusing Jeffrey Mangiat's 1986 mural on other boxes. For 1987 and 1988, Takara again used the same back-of-box artwork as Hasbro, but 1989's [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (toyline)|Victory]] line by necessity used a totally new piece of artwork spotlighting the unique-to-Japan toys. [[Transformers: Zone (toyline)|Zone]] did away with a fully painted battlescene, the back of the boxes simply including photographs of the main line. 1991's [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Return of Convoy (toyline)|Return of Convoy]] on the other hand had two new battlescenes painted for the line, one spotlighting Sky Garry and Grandus, and the other one appropriately featuring Star Convoy. [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Operation Combination (toyline)|Operation Combination]], like Zone, retained the painted character artwork but did not feature a new battlescene.

===Generation 2===

With the reintroduction of Transformers to Japan in 1995, Takara elected to try a new approach by utilizing computer generated models to represent the characters on the packaging instead of painted artwork.

===Beast Wars===

Takara initially returned to hand drawn artwork for the first several releases of their Beast Wars line in 1997, but rather than repurpose the U.S. artwork for the relevant toys, these were all-new renditions that, where appropriate, were based on the characters' visual appearance in the Beast Wars TV show (Optimus Primal having a mouth, for example). Shortly into the line, Takara abandoned the hand drawn artwork and returned to computer generated models, which were done in a style reminiscent of the Beast Wars animated series.

Takara continued this package style through the two subsequent "Beast" lines, [[Beast Wars II (toyline)|Beast Wars II]] and [[Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Neo (toyline)|Beast Wars Neo]], with only the [[Auto Roller]]s using traditional-style box art. [[Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Metals (franchise)|Beast Wars Metals]] abandoned character artwork on the boxes altogether in favor of larger windows to show off the toys.

===Car Robots===

[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (toyline)|Car Robots]] featured new computer-generated artwork on the line's boxed figures, with carded figures simply featuring the toy's corresponding collectors' card (complete with a CG rendition of the character) placed in a window above the figure.

===Micron Legend===

The [[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Micron Legend]] toys, much like Generation 1 before it, simply repurposed the artwork as drawn by Dreamwave Productions. Also like later Generation 1 figures, Takara altered the colors of [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|some]] characters where necessary to reflect their slightly different colors in the Japanese marketplace, and had new artwork done for the [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys#Armada|Magna Convoy DX Set]] in a similar style.

===Super Link===

Consistent with the corresponding animated series, the [[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Super Link]] toyline utilized CG artwork taken directly from the character models as used on the TV show.

===Galaxy Force===

As with Super Link before it, [[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Galaxy Force]] simply used the character's CG models from the accompanying animated series as the character artwork on the boxes. In the cases of non-show characters like [[Buzzsaw (Cybertron)|Buzzsaw]] and [[Runamuck (Cybertron)|Runabout]], hand-drawn artwork was used instead.

===Henkei! Henkei!===
[[File:Henkei C-08 Prowl box art.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|You don't want him pulling you over on the road.]]
[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]] used both toy photography and original art for their packaging art. The first four waves ([[List of Japanese ID numbers#Henkei! Henkei!|C-01 to C-06 and D-01 to D-04]]), plus C-18 Minibot Attack Team and C-19 Minibot Spy Team used simple toy photos of them in robot mode, [[Jetfire (G1)#Henkei! Henkei!|Skyfire]] in vehicle mode. The remaining waves had hand-drawn artwork done by artist [[Naoto Tsushima]].
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==Europe==
[[File:AltPrimeUSEuro.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|No deceptive advertising allowed.]]
For a long time, [[Multilingual packaging|European packaging]] had featured the same package artwork as the toys' respective North American versions (and, in the case of the European exclusive toys from the early Nineties, its own unique artwork). However, during the last waves of ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' (specifically, beginning with the second wave of the Superion Maximus limbs, [[Terradive (Energon)|Terradive]] and [[Windrazor (Energon)|Windrazor]]), the package art was replaced with airbrushed [[stock photography|stock photos]] of the toys themselves on European packaging. The same happened with European ''[[Transformers: Alternators|Alternators]]'' packaging starting with [[Windcharger (G1)#toys|Windcharger]] and [[Swindle (G1)#toys|Swindle]]. From then on, European ''Transformers'' packaging omitted any artistic renditions of the toys in favor of strictly accurate depictions of the products themselves (at least as "accurate" as Hasbro's early hand-painted/airbrushed prototype stock photography can be).

After the [[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]] and [[Fast Action Battlers]] from the [[Movie (toyline)|2007 Movie toyline]] had started to feature package art for the European packaging again, this policy was abandoned entirely with the advent of ''[[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Animated]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' in 2008, resulting in a full-scale return of character artwork.

No official explanation for these changes has ever been given by Hasbro. The most likely reason is a newly introduced European Union guideline (subsequently implemented into national law) regarding "misleading advertising", which ''could'' be interpreted to extend to artistic renditions of products on the packaging, especially in [[:File:SuperionMaximusCatalogArt.jpg|poses not actually possible with the toy]]. The question, however, is why artistic depictions suddenly became okay again several years later.
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==Canada and Latin America==
[[File:UniDelWave1CanMex.jpg|left|upright=1.66|thumb|It's ''Beast Machines'' all over again!]]
The [[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|2008 ''Universe'']] line also saw a strange twist for the [[Multilingual packaging|trilingual packaging]] used by Hasbro for the Canadian and Latin American markets: All the Deluxe Class figures only sport the character art of one "representative" toy per wave (Wave 1: [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]], Wave 2: [[Acid Storm (G1)|Acid Storm]], Wave 3: [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]]) on the front of the card, regardless of which toy actually ''is'' in the packaging. (The artwork on the side of the bubble is correct, though.) The Voyager Class toys, meanwhile, feature no character artwork on the front of the box at all.
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==Merchandise==
===Transformers Tapestry===
[[File:TransformersTapestry.jpg|left|100px|thumb|Holy...]]
The [[e-HOBBY]] New Year Special [[2008]] [[Transformers Tapestry]] is a 750mm x 615mm wall scroll that was released in spring 2008. It featured head and bust shots of the box art of every Transformer released in Japan from [[1984]] until [[1995]].

===Legacy: The Art of Transformers Packaging===
A 296 page art book from [[IDW Publishing]] released in fall of [[2014]] featuring the packaging art of Generation 1 and Generation 2.
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==External links==
*[http://www.botchthecrab.com/archive/ Botch's Transformers Box Art Archive] - covers Generation 1
*[http://pyresdomain.net/TF/BeastBoxArchive/ Pyre's Domain - Beast Wars Box Art Archive]

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Legacy: The Art of Transformers Packaging

2014-10-28T05:49:27Z

Blackrock: /* Chapter Fourteen: Oddities */

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|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|written by=[[Jim Sorenson]] & [[Bill Forster]]
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'''''LEGACY: The Art of Transformers Packaging''''' is a hardcover book featuring the [[package art|packaging art]] of [[The_Transformers_(toyline)|Generation 1]] and [[Transformers:_Generation_2_(toyline)|Generation 2]]. Additional content is to include interviews and essays from the original artists, [[catalog]] art, design sketches, and unused packaging artwork.

==Contents==
===Part One: The Early Years===
*Foreword.
*[[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] mint in box photograph.
*[[Tantrum (G1)|Tantrum]] pre-production package photograph.
*1985 Japanese Catalogue artwork.
*"Illustrators Wanted" advert mock-up.
====Chapter One: Classics====
*"Classic" Era Autobot and Decepticon packaging artwork.
*1986 Japanese package back.
====Chapter Two: Movie Era====
*"Movie Era" Autobot and Decepticon packaging artwork.
===Part Two: More Than Meets the Eye===
*Action Master [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] mint on card photograph.
*Pretender proof-of-concept illustration.
*Early Action Masters packaging mock-up.
*Powermaster Optimus Prime mint in sealed box photograph.
====Chapter Three: Scramble City====
*1986 Japanese Scramble City in-store display artwork.
*Early draft of [[Blades (G1)|Blades]] artwork.
*Scramble City Autobot and Decepticon packaging artwork.
*1987 package back.
====Chapter Four: Nebulan Era====
*Early concept sketches for Powermaster Optimus Prime.
*"Nebulan Era" Autobot and Decepticon packaging artwork.
====Chapter Five: Pretenders====
*1989 Pretenders package battle scene.
*Unused Pretenders logo.
*Pretenders Autobot and Decepticon packaging artwork.
====Chapter Six: Micromasters====
*1989 Micromasters package battle scenes.
*G2 logo with pantone guide.
*Pretender and Micromaster logos.
*Autobot sigils for 1988-89 and 1990.
*Autobot logo, 1988-90.
*Micromasters Autobot and Decepticon packaging artwork.
====Chapter Seven: Action Masters====
*1990 Action Masters package back.
*Action Masters Autobot and Decepticon packaging artwork.
===Part Three: Made in Japan===
*[[Roadfire]] mint in box photograph.
*[[Minerva]] mint in sealed box photograph.
*[[Blacker]] 360 degrees view mint in sealed box photograph.
*1985 package back (Japanese variant).
====Chapter Eight: Headmasters+====
*"Headmaster+" Cybertron and Destron packaging artwork.
*1988 package back.
====Chapter Nine: Masterforce====
*"Masterforce" Cybertron and Destron packaging artwork.
====Chapter Ten: Victory====
*1989 Victory package back.
*"Victory" Cybertron and Destron packaging artwork.
*1991 Return of Convoy package back.
*G2 Decepticon sigil with pantone.
*1990 nameplate.
*Pretenders and Micromasters logos.
*Decepticon sigil 1988-1989, 1990.
*Decepticon logo, 19888-1990.
====Chapter Eleven: Zone & Beyond====
*"Zone & Beyond" Cybertron and Destron packaging artwork.
===Part Four: Generations===
*Unreleased Generation 2 [[Breakdown (G1)|Breakdown]] photograph.
*[[Electro]] with FX overlay.
*G2 [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] sketch.
*Generation 2 [[Gobots]] production proof card.
*Generation 2 style guide page.
====Chapter Twelve: Generation 2====
*1995 Japanese Generation 2 catalog artwork.
*Early development drawing for Optimus Prime.
*"Generation 2" Autobot and Decepticon packaging artwork.
====Chapter Thirteen: Unused====
*Early Takara concept artwork.
*Unused Transformers logos.
*Unused Autobot and Decepticon packaging artwork.
*Diaclone vs Micro Change "Exciting Robots" proposal.
====Chapter Fourteen: Oddities====
*Oddities pre-Transformers packaging artwork.
*1989 package battle scenes.
*1984 package back.
*[[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] catalog artwork.
*1985 package back.
*1986 package back.
*Colorforms artwork.
*Neo G1 packaging artwork.
*Return of Convoy package back (alternate).
*Japanese exclusive [[Defeat Trypticon Strategy Game]] cover.
*UK exclusives packaging artwork.
*US Puzzle art.
*UK puzzle art.
*Variants packaging artwork.
*Afterword
*Acknowledgements.

==Errors==
*On page 156, [[Minerva (Masterforce)|Minerva]] is spelled "Minera".

[[Category:Generation 1 books]]
[[Category:Generation 2 media]]

Autobot Science Harmonium

2014-10-13T23:09:56Z

Blackrock:

The '''Autobot Science Harmonium''' is an [[Autobot]] research and engineering organization.

==Fiction==
===Dreamwave continuity===
The Autobot Science Harmonium drastically overhauled the [[mass intellect]] process, resulting in the [[Special Teams]] of the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] and the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]], and creating [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] and [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]]. {{storylink|Confrontation (issue)|Confrontation}}

===''The AllSpark Almanac''===
When [[Smokejumper]] and [[Dreadwind (RID)|Dreadwind]] from [[Viron 403.0 Beta]] trapped the [[Lunar Battle of 2011]] within [[Primax 1087.09 Alpha]] in a time loop, the Autobot Science Harmonium developed the universe-crossing [[Challenge Blaster]]. {{Storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|The AllSpark Almanac II}}

[[Category:Animated subgroups]]
[[Category:Autobot subgroups]]

Legacy: The Art of Transformers Packaging

2014-10-10T17:18:27Z

Blackrock:

Main Page/schedule

2014-10-03T15:58:29Z

Blackrock:

* '''[[Template:October|10–??]]''' — ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' [[More than Meets the Eye issue 34|#34]], ''[[The Transformers: Primacy|Primacy]]'' [[Primacy issue 3|#3]], ''[[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Robots in Disguise issue 34|#34]], ''[[Transformers vs. G.I. Joe]]'' [[Transformers vs. G.I. Joe issue 3|#3]] and [[Transformers vs. G.I. Joe issue 4|#4]] and ''[[The Transformers: Windblade|Windblade]]'' TPB are released by [[IDW Publishing]].
* '''[[October 8|10–08]]''' — ''[[Legacy: The Art of Transformers Packaging]]'' is released by [[IDW Publishing]].
* '''[[October 13|10–13]]''' — [[Hub Network]] is relaunched as Discovery Family, limiting the airing of Hasbro programming to daytime.

* '''[[Template:November|11–??]]''' — ''[[Angry Birds Transformers (comic)|Angry Birds/Transformers]]'' [[Angry Birds Transformers issue 1|#1]], ''[[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|The Transformers]]'' [[The Transformers issue 35|#35]], [[The Transformers: Drift - Empire of Stone]] [[Empire of Stone issue 1|#1]], ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' [[More than Meets the Eye issue 35|#35]], ''[[The Transformers: Primacy|Primacy]]'' [[Primacy issue 4|#4]] and ''[[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|Robots in Disguise]]'' Volume 6 TPB is released by [[IDW Publishing]].
* '''[[November 27|11–27]]''' — [[TakaraTomy]] releases ''[[Transformers Cloud|Cloud]]'' [[Hot Rodimus#Toys|TFC-A03 Hot Rodimus]] and [[Shockwave (Cloud)#Toys|TFC-D03 Shockwave]].
* '''[[November 28|11–28]]''' — [[TakaraTomy]] releases ''[[Transformers X Evangelion]]'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#eva|Convoy Mode "Eva"]].
* '''[[November 29|11–29]]''' — [[TakaraTomy]] releases ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|MP-21 Bumble]].

* '''[[Template:December|12–??]]''' — ''[[Dark Cybertron]]'' HC and ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' Volume 6 TPB are released by [[IDW Publishing]].
* '''[[December 13|12–13]]''' — [[TakaraTomy]] releases ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|MP-22 Ultra Magnus]].

* '''[[Template:February|02–??]]''' — [[TakaraTomy]] releases ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' [[Exhaust|MP-23 Exhaust]].

* '''[[March 15|03–15]]''' — [[TakaraTomy]] releases ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' [[Star Saber (Victory)#Masterpiece|MP-24 Star Saber]].
* '''[[Soon|Scheduled, but date TBD]]''' — ''[[Transformers Universe]]'' is released by [[Jagex]]. ''[[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron]]'' Deluxe Edition Hardcover is released by [[IDW Publishing]].

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Earthfall Part 5: I Dream of Wires

2014-09-25T20:45:36Z

Blackrock: /* Continuity notes */

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|title="Earthfall Chapter 5: I Dream of Wires"
|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[August 20]], [[2014]]
|coverdate=August 2014
|written by=[[John Barber]]
|art by=[[Andrew Griffith]] [[Brendan Cahill]] (pages 7, 10, 11, 13)
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'''Prowl turns the tables on the EDC and the Decepticons as the search for Alpha Trion reaches a climax. But what other secrets is the EDC hiding...?'''

==Synopsis==

''Half a million years ago on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], [[Prowl (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Prowl]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Bumblebee]] watch as [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] leaves the planet. Though he accepts that Metroplex's departure is necessary, Prowl bemoans the fact that it has only come about as a result of the illogicality of war. As he watches [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]] lead the charge into battle down below, he confides in his friend that Prime's reactive style of leadership is not what the Autobots need; rather, they need someone who can plan for the future...''

''As the [[Ark-7]] draws near to [[Earth]], Prowl remarks that it's "nice to come home", surprising [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]], who remembers the [[Autobot]]s' last visit to the planet and Prowl's dramatic fallout with [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]]. Prowl brushes the matter aside and changes the subject, asking if Cosmos trusts Prime's leadership, and revealing that he asked him to come along because he needs someone he can trust.''

As the Autobots are attacked by the Decepticon spaceship on [[Marshall Islands|Bikini Atoll]], in the secret [[Earth Defense Command]] base below the island's surface, Prowl stops [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] from disconnecting the captive [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] by pressing his gun to Jazz's head. Prowl withdraws the weapon as soon as he has Jazz's attention, having only intended to make a point, and explains that Trion's presence is not the final piece of the puzzle: the ancient Autobot has clearly only been there for a few months, and the EDC have obviously had their "mind bomb" weapon for longer than that. Realizing that there must be another Cybertronian within the base, the pair set out to search for it, unaware that their presence has already been detected by [[Sanjay Bharwaney]]'s equipment. At [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]'s direction, Bharwaney targets Prowl with the mind bomb, instantly knocking him out.

Meanwhile, [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] flies [[Marissa Faireborn]] to Bikini Atoll; as they draw closer, his confusion over the island's name gives way to a refusal to fly into the middle of the combat zone, out of concern for [[Buster (IDW)|Buster]]'s safety. He lands some distance away, and an exasperated Faireborn doesn't even bother to argue, racing for the base on foot.

As Jazz tries to drag Prowl's unconscious form through the base, his way is barred by Soundwave, who reveals the existence of his spy within the Autobot ranks. As this standoff plays out, however, Prowl's mind is hard at work: in actuality, he ''wanted'' to be attacked by the mind bomb, thereby allowing his mind to be connected to the EDC's network. As he searches through their computer banks from within, he comes upon a heavily encrypted data point, but has no time to decode it; instead, he interfaces with the base's weapons systems, and unleashes every missiles in the EDC's arsenal against the Decepticon ship, blowing it out of the sky. Next, he activates their army of tanks and jets, unleashing them on Soundwave, so that Jazz can continue getting himself and Prowl's body to safety.

Outside, Thundercracker runs for cover from the fire and debris created by the attack on the Decepticon ship, slipping and tumbling into a crevasse. Momentarily filled with horror over the belief that he has crushed Buster in the fall, his relief to discover that his canine companion is fine is immediately replaced with screaming terror at something unseen...

Jazz and Prowl emerge from the base, rejoining Prime's Autobot squad and the same time as the stealth-painted [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]]; [[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]] even reveals that he's not ''really'' a Decepticon spy, but fed Soundwave information on Prowl's orders. Prowl and the Constructicons merge into [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] and cover the Autobots as they quickly enter the base, recover Alpha Trion, then return to board [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] and withdraw. As [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] and [[D.O.C.]] administer medical aid to the ancient—but still chipper—'bot, Optimus chews Prowl out over his dangerous, secretive actions. Prowls retorts that the new age they now find themselves in holds many dangers, and that logic and planning are what is needed to survive, not heroic reaction. Prime backs down, begrudgingly admitting that the mission was a success, but Prowl then tells him about the EDC's secret data, and believes he knows who they need to find in order to solve the mystery.

As the EDC base crumbles, [[Sparkplug Witwicky|General Witwicky]] attempts to order an evacuation when he is confronted by [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]. The Decepticon commander remains displeased over the humans' use of the mind bomb against him, and is intent on revenge; although Witwicky tries to give him a message to pass on to his son, Galvatron pays him no need, and atomizes the general with a blast from his cannon. Marissa Faireborn presently arrives in the command centre, and Galvatron profess that Prowl was responsible for the general's death; Faireborn knows of the bad blood between Prowl and the Witwicky family, and is easily led into believing the lie.

Thundercracker and Buster flee Bikini Atoll, and as he circles the globe, the Seeker's experiences on the island clearly inform his continued work on his screenplay. As he writes about "Susan Journeyer" making a shocking discovery in "Josh Boyfriend's" secret apartment, his mind flashes back to the sight he glimpsed in the crevasse on the island... an EDC-made army of drones based on his old allies, [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] and [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]]!

==Featured characters==
Characters in ''italic text'' appear only in flashbacks. 
{{Featuredcharacters
|c1=
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*''[[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]'' (1)
*[[Prowl (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Prowl]] (2)
*''[[Bumblebee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Bumblebee]]'' (3)
*''[[Bluestreak (G1)|Bluestreak]]'' (4)
*''[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]]'' (5)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]] (6)
*[[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]] (7)
*[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] (8)
*[[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] (9)
*[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] (17)
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*[[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] (18)
*[[Kup (G1)|Kup]] (19)
*[[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] (20)
*[[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] (35)
{{!}}}
|c2=
*[[Needlenose]] (10)
*[[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] (11)
*[[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] (12)
*[[Brawl (G1)|Brawl]] (13)
*[[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (14)
*[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] (15)
*[[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]] (21)
*[[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (22)
*[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (26)
*[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] (36)

|h4=[[Human]]s|c4=
*[[Jones]] (23)
*[[Sparkplug Witwicky|Daniel Witwicky]] (24)
*[[Sanjay Bharwaney]] (25)
*[[Marissa Faireborn]] (27)
|h5=Others|c5=
*[[D.O.C.]] (16)
*[[Buster (IDW)|Buster]] (28)
*[[Hook (G1)|Hook]] (29)
*[[Mixmaster (G1)|Mixmaster]] (30)
*[[Long Haul (G1)|Long Haul]] (31)
*[[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]] (32)
*[[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]] (33)
*[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] (34)
*[[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] drones (37)
*[[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] drones (38)
}}

==Quotes==

"'''Bikini Atoll''', huh? I actually thought bikinis were '''something''' else entirely." 
"'''Thundercracker,''' just... just give me ten '''seconds''' to '''think'''." 
"Well, I want to be a better writer, so I '''have''' to learn about your human culture '''somehow''', Faireborn. If '''you''' don't tell me, I'll just pick it up on the '''internet'''."
:—'''Thundercracker''' and '''Marissa Faireborn'''

"The '''telepathic device.''' I '''understand''' the weapon, and I applaud the ingenuity. But you must '''understand'''... there are consequences to using it on '''me'''." 
"Wait. '''My son.''' Tell my son—" 
''(CHOOM!)'' 
"I hope your sun shines in whatever '''Afterspark''' awaits you, General Daniel."
:—'''Galvatron''' and '''Daniel Witwicky'''

"''Ah.'' "Son". An '''offspring.''' How... '''charming''' a method of procreation."
:—'''Galvatron'''

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
*The departure of Metroplex from Cybertron was previously seen in a flashback in [[Earthfall Part 1: Hello Cruel World|issue #28]].
*Ramjet and Thrust have been dead for quite some time in IDW continuity; Ramjet was torn to bits by [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] in his [[Spotlight: Ramjet|self-titled ''Spotlight'']] seven years prior, while an injured Thrust was left to burn by human police in ''[[Ride-Along|Spotlight: Prowl]]'' four years ago. EDC has evidently been able to get ahold of their remains to make this army of duplicates; in the case of Ramjet that's partially Megatron's fault, as he rather unwisely and rather prominently spread Ramjet's dismembered parts around the world.
**This isn't [[Machination|the first time]] humans have attempted to create an army of robots reverse-engineered from Cybertronians in the IDW Universe.

===Transformers references===
*The title page of this issue is an homage to the poster for ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''.

===Real-life references===
*This issue's sub-title is taken from the Gary Numan song, "I Dream of Wires".

===Errors===
*Prowl calls Scavenger "Scrapper" while explaining how he ordered them to leak information to the Decepticons.
*On the second-to-last page "Josh Boyfriend" is consistently misspelled as "Josh Boyfreind".

===Other trivia===
*This is labeled "chapter 5"; every other installment of "Earthfall" has been a "part", not a "chapter".

===Covers (3)===
*'''Regular cover:''' Optimus Prime, Thundercracker and Buster, by [[Andrew Griffith]] and [[Josh Perez]]
*'''Subscription cover:''' Optimus Prime versus Prowl, by [[Casey Coller]] and [[Joana Lafuente]]
*'''30th Anniversary cover:''' Optimus Prime kneels by [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s dead body during [[Unicron]]'s rampage, as seen in [[On the Edge of Extinction!|issue #75]] of the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel Comics series]], by Casey Coller and [[John-Paul Bove]]
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*''Spirit Animals''
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==External links==
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Reunification: Part 3

2014-09-24T16:33:37Z

Blackrock: /* Notes */

{{comicstory|seriesissue=[[Reunification]]
|prev=Reunification: Part 2
|next=Reunification: Part 4
|seriesissue2=''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (fiction)|Shattered Glass]]''
|title="Reunification: Part 3"
|publisher=[[Fun Publications]]
|published in=[[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 27|''Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club'' #27]]
|writer=[[Forest Lee]]
|pencils by=[[Robby Musso]]
|inks by=[[Robby Musso]]
|colors by=[[Josh Perez]]
|letters by=[[Jesse Wittenrich]]
|editor=[[Pete Sinclair]]
|continuity=[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (fiction)|Shattered Glass]]
}}
'''Landquake and company chill out with a most groovy visitor!'''

==Synopsis==
[[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]], [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]], and [[Topspin (Classics)|Topsin]] are baffled—the other robots around them cannot be detected or moved. A strange creature introducing himself as the [[Quintesson]] [[Aquarius (SG)|Aquarius]] explains that they're in a bubble of [[slow time]], and that ''he'' is the one who brought the trio here. When they protest that [[Alpha Trion (SG)|Alpha Trion]] was responsible for their presence here, Aquarius says that things aren't always what they seem. After conferring with his friends, Landquake agrees to listen to the Quintesson's tale.

The Quintessons, he explains, are explorers. They've had a covert research post on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] for a long time, mostly keeping a low profile, but occasionally taking "more direct action" (such as, apparently, killing off [[Fortress Maximus (SG)|Fortress Maximus]]). But now, [[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]]'s [[Omega Doom]] project is too big for even the Quintessons to handle....

''Optimus Prime consults with [[Ironhide (SG)|Ironhide]], regarding the scheduling and security for Project: Omega Doom, while [[Grimlock (SG)|Grimlock]] chows down on [[Blurr (SG)|Blurr]]'s shoulder. The project will let Optimus Prime and the [[Autobot]]s build a galaxy-wide empire; success will mean that Ironhide gets a star system of his own to rule. And the universe will surrender, or see its very stars extinguished...''

...which ends Aquarius's recap. He's certain that the trio can stop the project, along with [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]] (who, as Topspin helpfully points out, is dead) and "[[Heatwave (Timelines)|the fifth]]". What's more, Aquarius knows who the fifth is, and where to find him—namely, with [[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]]. Explication has to end at that point, however; the slow time bubble is expiring, and [[Computron (SG)|Computron]] rips his way into the building.

Elsewhere, Alpha Trion is in contact with one of his allies. Both of their assassins are in place, and the strike will happen today: Megatron and Optimus will both die! With that accomplished, Cybertron will belong to Alpha Trion, while [[Earth]] goes to... [[Rodimus (SG)|Rodimus ''Prime'']].

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters|h2=[[Autobot]]s||c2=
* [[Fortress Maximus (SG)|Fortress Maximus]] (6)
* [[Ironhide (SG)|Ironhide]] (7)
* [[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]] (8)
* [[Landcross (SG)|Landcross]] (9)
* [[Huffer (SG)|Huffer]] (10)
* [[Big Daddy (SG)|Big Daddy]] (11)
* [[Omega Doom]] (12)
* [[Grimlock (SG)|Grimlock]] (13)
* [[Blurr (SG)|Blurr]] (14)
* [[Computron (SG)|Computron]] (15)
* [[Alpha Trion (SG)|Alpha Trion]] (16)
* [[Rodimus (SG)|Rodimus]] (17)

|c4=
* [[Cypher]] (1)
* [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]] (2)
* [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]] (3)
* [[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]] (4)
* [[Aquarius (SG)|Aquarius]] (5)
}}

==Quotes==
"Can you...stop doing that thing with your faces? It's disconcerting."
:—Aquarius seems to be making '''Landquake''' a little motion-sick!

"I do not like this creature." 
"You don't like ''anyone'', Landquake. He seems fine to me."
:—'''Landquake''' is dour towards Aquarius; '''Breakaway''' is accepting. What else is new?

==Notes==
[[Image:Grimlock_reunification_nom_nom_nom.jpg|right|thumb|150px|]]
* Grimlock picks up a popular Internet meme as he chomps on Blurr: NOM NOM NOM!

===Errors===
'''Aquarius''': "I can explain more while we run, but Computron's about ''the'' rip the roof off this building." (correct: "Computron's about ''to'' rip the roof off this building.")

[[Category:Shattered Glass issues]]

File:Grimlock reunification nom nom nom.jpg

2014-09-24T16:31:42Z

Blackrock: ''Shattered Glass'' Grimlock chows down. *'''Art:''' Robby Musso *'''Colors:''' Josh Perez *'''Letters:''' Jesse Wittenrich {{FunPubcomicinterior|source=[[Reunification: Part...

''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Grimlock (SG)|Grimlock]] chows down.

*'''Art:''' [[Robby Musso]]
*'''Colors:''' [[Josh Perez]]
*'''Letters:''' [[Jesse Wittenrich]]

{{FunPubcomicinterior|source=[[Reunification: Part 3]]|year=09}}

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Conehead

2014-09-16T16:02:57Z

Blackrock: /* Notes */

{{factions|decepticon}}
{{stub}}
[[File:ConeheadsGenerations1.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|France! We come from France!]]
'''Conehead''' is a tongue-in-cheek fan term for the [[Seeker (body-type)|Seekers]] that were released in 1985—[[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]], [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] and [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]]. Though the toys were virtually identical to the original Seekers, their animation models were given a distinctive transformation that left the jet nosecone pointing up, hence the nickname. Another difference is that their wings don't flip up to appear as part of the upper body, and instead seem to be part of their legs. (Thrust's wings ''do'' change orientation—the leading edge of his wings faces ''down'' in robot mode, unlike the other two—but they remain part of his legs.) The animation models for the Conehead Seekers were designed by [[Floro Dery]], whereas the season one Seekers were done primarily by Japanese designer [[Shōhei Kohara]]. The name "[[Wikipedia:Coneheads|Conehead]]" is taken from an early "Saturday Night Live" sketch about a pointy-headed family from <s>outer space</s> France.

A simple way to remember which of the core six G1 Seekers are Coneheads, is that the names of the Coneheads are real words, as opposed to made-up words such as "[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]".

==Fiction==
===Generation 1===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
[[File:G1 generic conehead.jpg|left|thumb|100px|If Dan Aykroyd was a robot *sigh*]]
A generic conehead appeared in "[[Five Faces of Darkness]]".

====Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity====
Among the three [[Air Warrior|Aerospace Extermination Squadron units]] that went after [[Getaway]], there was one conehead. {{storylink|Transformers: War Within: The Age of Wrath|War Within: The Age of Wrath}}

{{--}}
===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers'' continuity===
At least one conehead was among the Transformers captured and enslaved by [[Cobra]], who modified him into a [[Rattler]] aircraft. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 2|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #2}} Though they were eventually released from Cobra's control, the conehead was killed by an energy beam fired by the out-of-control [[SPS Satellite]]. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 6|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #6}}

Since Cobra painted all their Rattlers blue, the identity of the conehead is unknown. He couldn't have been one of the main trio anyway, as Dirge, Ramjet and Thrust were all seen on Cybertron later on. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 1|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II #1}} {{storylink|The Art of War issue 5|The Art of War #5}}

===''Animated''===
[[File:TFA Liar cone.jpg|thumb|100px|"Now Swindle can't tell me apart from the bright orange one!"]]
[[Swindle (Animated)|Swindle]] gave the [[Ramjet (Animated)|lying Starscream clone]] a cone shaped helmet in order to tell him apart from [[Sunstorm (Animated)|Sunstorm]]. {{storylink|Decepticon Air}}

==Notes==
* During ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|Generation 2]]'', a desert-themed [[redeco]] of the Ramjet mold was proposed as a new character, [[Sandstorm (G2)|Sandstorm]]. Another mock-up deco variant of the Ramjet mold in sky colors is also known to exist, this may or may not have been intended as a new character. Possibly, these would have been coneheads as well.
*In their Generation 1 Italian release, all three coneheads featured names related to birds of prey: Thrust is Rapax, an African eagle; Dirge is Sparviero, a sparrowhadk; Ramjet is Nibbio, a kite.

[[Category:Fandom]]
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Call of the Primitives

2014-08-29T06:08:38Z

Blackrock:

{{disambig2|the cartoon episode|the ''[[Transformers Legends (mobile game)|Legends]]'' event|Call of the Primitives (Legends)}}
{{episode
|series=G1toon
|ep=91
|series2=2010
|ep2=26
|prev2=Grimlock's New Brain
|next2=The Face of the Nijika
|image=PrimitiveCall.jpg
|caption=Prim and Proper
|title="Call of the Primitives"
|production code=700-112
|airdate=[[November 18]], 1986
|written by=[[Donald F. Glut]]
|directed by=[[Masami Ōbari]]
|production company=[[Sunbow Productions]]
|animation studio=See ''Notes'' section
|continuity=[[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]
}}

'''All Transformers with animal modes are summoned to battle a being called Tornedron, the little brother of Unicron.'''

==Synopsis==
[[Image:AutobotsCall.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Having your energy drained changes your paint job.]]

Somewhere, an energy creature begins feeding off other forms of energy—slowly, at first. Then his creator gives him an [[energon cube]]. The creature grows and spreads out into the universe. Soon, it attacks [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. The [[Autobot]]s attack it, but it simply drains their energy from them. The creature's creator is pleased with him, saying he's done better than his predecessor, [[Unicron]].

[[Image:Ejectcall.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Ravage, why are you running away?]]

On [[Earth]]'s [[Moon (moon)|Moon]], [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Rodimus Prime]] is leading a group of Autobots against the [[Decepticon|Decepticons]]. However, the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]], [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcons]], [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]], [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]], and the animal-form [[Mini-Cassette]]s are all summoned by a mysterious voice. They leave the battle, and [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] orders a retreat. Suddenly, the energy creature arrives and drains the energy from both Autobots and Decepticons (including Rodimus Prime and Galvatron), as well as Earth and the Moon and Cybertron.

Most of the departed Transformers are riding Trypticon. Naturally, tempers flare after [[Headstrong]] picks a fight with the Dinobots by insulting [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]], so [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] suggests they stomp him. The Preds stick with their teammate and fight the Dinobots, and the Terrorcons decide to fight everyone. At Sky Lynx's suggestion, Trypticon shakes himself and causes his passengers to stop fighting. They arrive on [[Methuselah|an ancient planet]]<ref>[[Transformers_Animated:_The_AllSpark_Almanac_II]]</ref> near the center of the galaxy. After touching down, Sky Lynx assumes command of the group, despite the objections of [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]] and [[Hun-Gurrr (G1)|Hun-Gurrr]]. Finding a cave, they encounter [[Oracle (G1)|a strange entity]]. He explains that he summoned the [[Primitive|Primitives]], all animal-based Transformers, to come to fight [[Tornedron]], the energy being who was created by [[Primacron (G1)|Primacron]]. The entity, who was once Primacron's assistant, explains how Primacron created Unicron but was nearly destroyed by his creation. After Unicron's defeat, Primacron created Tornedron as a replacement. Primacron's assistant hopes that the Primitives' simple instincts will allow them to defeat Primacon's complex plans.

[[Image:Terrorconcall.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Ptooie]]

Suddenly, Tornedron arrives and drains Trypticon of his energy. Trypticon crashes, and Grimlock is believed destroyed. Sky Lynx attacks, only to have his energy drained as well. [[Slag (G1)|Slag]] leads the Dinobots in retreat, while the other Primitives split up, believing that Tornedron can't catch up to all of them if they go separate ways. Unfortunately, they prove to be wrong, as Tornedron separates into four parts to track them all down. He easily dispatches the Mini-Cassettes, chewing on [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] in the process. Headstrong declares that it would be better to [[Furmanism|fight and die]], and the Predacons form [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]], only to have their energy sucked away as well. The Terrorcons try to fight back, but are also drained. The Dinobots ambush Tornedron, but they too are dispatched. Declaring victory against the Primitives, Primacron orders Tornedron to return [[Protos|home back to his lab]]<ref>[[Transformers_Animated:_The_AllSpark_Almanac_II]]</ref>. Unknown to Tornedron and Primacron, however, Grimlock has survived his impact from Tyrpticon, and he secretly follows them.

[[Image:Tornedroncall.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Two scoops of raisins]]

At his base, Primacron is having trouble controlling Tornedron, ordering him to stop. Tornedron refuses to take any more orders and declares that he intends to feed on Primacron, and that all of Primacron's failsafes have failed, realizing that Tornedron is rebelling against him. Grimlock breaks into Primacron's lab to find that Primacron is a tiny little monkey-like alien...thing. Grimlock grabs Primacron and orders him to reverse his damage, but Primacron declares that he's tried everything. Grimlock fixes things easily: He throws the reverse switch, which reverses Tornedron's energy polarity, destroying Tornedron and restoring the life energy to the drained Transformers and planets of the galaxy. In celebration, Grimlock destroys Primacron's lab, declaring it the "smartest" thing he's ever done.
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==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] (15)
* [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] (16)
* [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Rodimus Prime]] (17)
* [[Slag (G1)|Slag]] (19)
* [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] (20)
* [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] (21)
* [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] (22)
* [[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blaster]] (23)
* [[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]] (25)
* [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (26)
* [[Jazz (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Jazz]] (27)
* [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]] (28)
* [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] (29)
* [[Blades (G1)|Blades]] (30)
* [[Slingshot (G1)|Slingshot]] (31)
* [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] (32)
* [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] (36)
* [[Ramhorn (G1)|Ramhorn]] (42)
* [[Steeljaw (G1)|Steeljaw]] (43)
|c2=
* [[Sweep]]s (3)
* [[Rampage (G1)|Rampage]] (4)
* [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]] (5)
* [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] (6)
* [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] (7)
* [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] (8)
* [[Hun-Gurrr (G1)|Hun-Gurrr]] (9)
* [[Rippersnapper (G1)|Rippersnapper]] (10)
* [[Sinnertwin (G1)|Sinnertwin]] (11)
* [[Blot (G1)|Blot]] (12)
* [[Cutthroat (G1)|Cutthroat]] (13)
* [[Divebomb (G1)|Divebomb]] (14)
* [[Tantrum]] (18)
* [[Headstrong]] (24)
* [[Abominus (G1)|Abominus]] (33)
* [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]] (34)
* [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] (35)
* [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]] (37)
* [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] (38)
* [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] (39)
* [[Slugfest (G1)|Slugfest]] (40)
* [[Overkill (G1)|Overkill]] (41)
|c4=
* [[Primacron (G1)|Primacron]] (1)
* [[Tornedron]] (2)
* [[Oracle (G1)|The Oracle]] (44)
* [[Unicron]] (45)
}}

==Quotes==
''Soundwave's chest opens and all of his cassettes eject, much to his surprise.'' 
"I'm malfunctioning! Ejection is self-activated!"
:—'''Soundwave''' deals with a very common problem among male bots.

''Blaster's chest opens and his cassettes leap out.'' 
'''Blaster''': Hey, something's happened to me too, and it's not on the top 40!
:—See! It wasn't ''just'' an inappropriate joke!

"Now remember, before you do anything, think, 'Is this what Sky Lynx would do in my position?', and you will not go far wrong."
:—'''Sky Lynx's''' sensible instructions to the rest of the Primitives.

"I have summoned you here to tell you a tale of long ago." 
"Oh, me Grimlock love long ago tale!" 
"Then allow me to tell it."
:—The '''Oracle''' slaps '''Grimlock''' into place.

"Suffer my rage, monster! I will show you no mercy! You will rue the day you crossed Sky—aaahhh!"
:—'''Sky Lynx'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s righteous fury at the deaths of Trypticon and Grimlock.

'''Ramhorn''': Sky Lynx is destroyed! Who will lead us now? 
'''Slag''': I, Slag, lead Dinobots away, till I get better idea. 
'''Hun-Gurrr''': Best idea yet! We run too!
:—Strategy is not their strong suit.

'''Headstrong''': I detest fleeing, I would rather die fighting! 
'''Razorclaw''': He is right! Predacons, unite! 
''[The Predacons combine.]'' 
'''Predaking''': Tornedron... face Predaking! To the end!
:—The Predacons decide that [[Furmanism|it is better to fight and die than live with the knowledge that they ran]].

"Only you can save the world now, Grimlock." 
"Me Grimlock feel important!"
:—The '''Oracle''' rests the fate of... erm, the universe, on '''Grimlock's''' shoulders.

'''Grimlock''': ''[chuckles]'' "''You'' are creator?" 
'''Primacron''': "Unfortunately....yes." 
'''Grimlock''': "Grimlock laugh at little wimp who cause big trouble!"
:—'''Grimlock''', about to give '''Primacron''' a wedgie.

'''Primacron''': We are ''finished''!! I've amplified the energy parameters, minimized the drivormenter, redirected the ion flow! I've tried EVERYTHING! 
'''Grimlock''': Me Grimlock solve problem! Wuh! 
''[Reaches over and pushes switch]'' 
'''Primacron''': Of course, the '''reverse switch!''' Why didn't ''I'' think of that?!
:—The universe's greatest genius gets one-upped by....'''Grimlock'''. Wait. What?!

'''Grimlock''': Grimlock saved universe! Grimlock hero! [Grimlock stomps in victory, causing the place to begin to collapse] 
'''Primacron''': Stop it! You stupid—! 
'''Grimlock''': Why you call Grimlock stupid? 
'''Primacron''': You've ruined my lab! 
'''Grimlock''': Me Grimlock think that is smartest thing I ever done!
:—You know, that probably ''is'' the smartest thing he's ever done.

==Notes==
===Animation or technical glitches===
*In the second overhead shot of the Autobots during the opening battle, Rodimus is missing his (freakin' huge) spoiler.
*When we first see him, Wheelie is missing his Autobot logo.
*When Blades, Slingshot and Wheelie open fire on Tornedron, the first shot is fired before they even raise their weapons.
*As Tornedron in the form of a giant bug steps over the bodies of Blades, Slingshot and Wheelie, its glowing aura is on a lower cel than their bodies, making it appear to pass under them, despite the fact they're lying on the ground.
[[Image:Windcharger-COTP01.jpg|right|200px|thumb|"Look alive, people! Uh, no offense, Windcharger."]]
* [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]] is seen running around on Cybertron, despite having been killed in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''. But hey, that [[Carnage in C-Minor|happens]] [[Wheeljack (G1)|all]] [[Prowl (G1)|the]] [[Ironhide (G1)|time]].
*When the Dinobots are being summoned, [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] is referred to as [[Sweep]].
*Galvatron's sporting a red Decepticon [[insignia]] when he calls in Trypticon.
*In the scene when Ravage and the other animal Mini-Cassettes eject from Soundwave, Cyclonus looks bigger than Galvatron due to wrong cel stacking (Galvatron should be on the background).
*Grimlock's whole neck is supposed to be gold, but the back of it is gray in several shots.
* As Sky Lynx tracks the signal, we see waves of energy expanding out towards him. In the next shot, they're flowing out'' from'' him.
*As the Predacons start firing on the Dinobots while inside Trypticon, one of the glowing effects doesn't quite match up with Headstrong's horn as it should (he moves his horn to the right position a moment later).
*Some of the Decepticon Primitives' lasers have the sound effect of Galvatron's cannon. So does Trypticon's laser later on.
*When Grimlock drops off the cliff, the other Autobots "slide" into the picture.
*When Sky Lynx tells the Dinobots to find the "alien" a star can be seen on his leg.
*When Tornedron drains Predaking's power and fall over, the Predacons transform on top of Predaking.
*When Grimlock gets out from under Trypticon, his forearms are huge and his chest looks more boxy than usual.
*Restoring the energy to the Moon also appears to rearrange all the craters.
*When Rodimus' team is restored, Rodimus is lying face up (he was face down), Ultra Magnus' shins are blue instead of white, and Blaster's chest is missing its detailing, switches and Autobot logo.

===Continuity errors===
*The depressions on Rodimus's shoulders are white again in this episode.
*Rodimus also carries a gray gun (instead of red) that doesn't have the usual Prime rifle sound effect.
* Unicron's head is gray (like a rock) during a camera pass. [[Grimlock's New Brain|The last time we saw it]], it was in bad shape, but still had the usual coloring.
* When summoning the Primitives, they forgot all about[[Laserbeak (G1)| Laserbeak]] and [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]]! Instead, Soundwave unleashes two new cassette Decepticons: [[Slugfest (G1)|Slugfest]] and [[Overkill (G1)|Overkill]]...who are then never seen again. Gee.
* Sky Lynx asks Grimlock if he's all right ''as he's falling down a cliff.''

===Continuity notes===
* This episode marks the last appearance of the Dinobots, Trypticon, Ravage, [[Jazz (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Jazz]] (he is seen running by in the background during the red alert on Cybertron), and [[Unicron]] in the western cartoon...bummer.
* A part of [[Oracle_(G1)|Primacron's assistant]] becomes the [[Autobot_Matrix_of_Leadership|Matrix of Leadership]]. How he ended up on Cybertron remains a mystery.

===Trivia===
[[Image:Unicroncall.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Where am I from?]]
* The art style in this episode is very different from all others in the Generation 1 series, with highly stylized "anime-like" [[character model]]s and proportions. Although popularly claimed to be, the models are most assuredly ''not'' those designed by [[Studio OX]]; they're simply more stylized versions of the standard animation models, lacking the additional toyetic touches and copious mecha-greeblies found in the OX designs. It is widely believed that this lone episode was animated by [[Tokyo Movie Shinsha]], though no evidence has been found to confirm this. [[Masami Ōbari]] is popularly cited as the animation director<ref>[[wikipedia:ja:大張正己]]</ref> and the unique style in this episode certainly fits with Ōbari's overall aesthetic.
[[Image:Firecall.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Me Grimlock like Predacons and Terrorcons Cajun style]]
* Unicron's origin is a bit...random.
* When Grimlock uses his [[flame breath]] on the Predacons and Terrorcons, they start to ''[[Humanization#Coughing|cough]]''...cause that's what you do when you're being hit with fire reaching several hundred degrees.
* This is the first and only time in the cartoon Swoop fires his wing blasters.
* One of Grimlock's two [[packaging|on-packaging]] [[bio]] weaknesses comes into play in this episode: His lack of speed. He is unable to get clear of Trypticon's falling body even at his top speed. It ends up being a blessing in disguise, though, as it obscures him from Tornedron's vision.
* This episode seems to resolidify the Dinobots' position as freakishly powerful (which took a beating in Season 3), as Grimlock alone seems to be a match for three Terrorcons and two Predacons, and the only Autobot sent flying is Swoop, who takes a blast to the chest early on. Also, the Dinobots seem to handle Tornedron with the most finesse.

==References==
{{reflist|1}}

===Foreign localization===
[[Image:TVMagazineOverkill.jpg|right|150px|thumb|"Eject—operation: Understudy."]]

'''German'''
:*''Title:'' '''Das geheimnisvolle Orakel''' ("The Mysterious Oracle")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

'''Japanese'''
:*''Title:'' 原始の呼び声 (''Genshi no Yobigoe'', "Primeval Call")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[June 5]], [[1987]]
:*Episode preview art published in [[TV Magazine]] inexplicably displays Slugfest and Overkill as if they were the stars of the episode.
:*In Japanese continuity, the scene where the Primitives encounter the [[Oracle (G1)|Oracle]] is set in the past; apparently, the Primitives arrived there via time travel. This is done to accommodate the idea that the Oracle later evolved into [[Vector Sigma]] and later [[Primus]].
:*A "[[Secret Files of Teletraan II]]" segment unique to Japan was attached to the end of this episode. The segment focuses on the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticon]]s. It replaces the original "Secret Files" segment focusing on the [[Mini-Cassette]]s used in the Western broadcast. That segment was never used in the Japanese broadcast of the series.

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;VHS
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1988 — ''Transformers'' — Call of the Primitives / The Girl Who Loved Powerglide ([[Tempo Video]]) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1989 — ''Transformers'' — Fight or Flee / Call of the Primitives (Tempo Video) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1992 — ''Transformers'' — Super Video (Tempo Video)
;Laserdisc
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1999 — ''The Transformers: 2010'' ([[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer LDC]]) — Japanese audio only.
;DVD
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2001 — ''The Transformers: 2010'' — DVD Box (Pioneer LDC) — Japanese audio only. 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2004 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 3 Part 2 & Season 4 ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]]) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Season 3 and Season 4 ([[Metrodome]]) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Collection 5: Series 3.2 ([[Madman Entertainment]]) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2006 — ''Transformers'' — The Complete Generation One Collection (Metrodome) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2006 — The Best of ''The Transformers'' (Madman Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2007 — ''Transformers'' — The Classic Episodes (Metrodome) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2007 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection (Madman Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2009 — ''Transformers'' — Season's Three & Four {{sic}} (Metrodome) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection: Decepticon Edition (Madman Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Series: 25th Anniversary "Matrix of Leadership" Collection ([[Shout! Factory]]) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2010 — ''The Transformers'' — Seasons Three & Four: 25th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory)

==External links==
*[http://cybertronchronicle.freewebspace.com/cartoon-dossier/synopses/call_of_the_primitives.html Dossier at the Cybertron Chronicle]

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Generation 1 episodes]]

Angry Archer

2014-08-22T23:45:29Z

Blackrock:

{{disambig2|the ''[[Transformers_Animated_(franchise)|Animated]]'' supervillain|the real-life Hasbro designer with the same name|Aaron Archer}}
:''Angry Archer is a [[human]] from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:AngryArcher01.jpg|right|250px|thumb|"Look, it's the Mad Archer!" "ANG-GU-REE! ANG-GU-REE! I AM THE ANG-GU-REE ARCHER!" "Whatever."]]
What, ho! Dost thou ponder the curious countenance of yon emerald-clad highwayman? 'Tis that villain of greatest renown, the '''Angry Archer'''! (real name '''Aaron A. Archer'''). Armed with naught but his wits, his trusty bow, and a profusion of wizardly-empowered arrowheads, the Angry Archer is the very scourge of olde [[Detroit|Detroit town]]!

{{bigquote| We steal from the rich and give to the poor. Namely, ''ourselves''.|Angry Archer on his career choices|"[[Garbage In, Garbage Out]]"}}

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
{{Idw-tfa}}
{{voiceactor|[[Jeff Glen Bennett]] (English), [[Katsuyuki Konishi]] (Japanese)|[[Kaspar Eichel]] (German), [[Matteo Zanotti]] (Italian)}}

[[Image:AngryArcher02.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Forsooth! 'Tis the Emerald Mechanism! Who shall lay waste to yonder festival whilst not being perceived! Hast thou ever witnessed the Turtle get doooown?]]
The Angry Archer didst reveal himself from within the shadows of the night. Dropping down on a passing horseless carriage, he bade its occupants stand and deliver. Howe'er, the local enforcers of the law didst vex him with their approach. This worried him not, for a swift rescue carriage was passing. Latching on't, he didst away with glee. But, forsooth, the carriage didst [[Transformation|shift form]] to become [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|a metal giant]], who defeated the Archer with reckless abandon.

Whilst the Angry Archer pled that he desired naught but fame and fortune, flying cameras arrived anon to record his humiliating fate. The metal giant then didst mock him most cruelly, advising the Archer he would have to settle for fame. Oh, what a twisted move by the fickle hand of fate. {{storylink|Home Is Where the Spark Is|Home Is Whither Thine Ember Is}}

''At a later date, the Angry Archer attempted to abscond with one of [[Motor City Motors and Mechanoids|many horseless carriages]]. Howe'er, after a [[Bumblebee (Animated)|golden carriage]] shifted form into a saffron champion, he fled the scene and was apprehended by yon [[Wraith|ghostly knight]]. {{storylink|Attention Surplus Disorder|He Who Craveth Vanity Shall Meet his Undoing}} The Archer's fancy for horseless carriages wert rightly piqued, and for the nonce he availed himself of a truly colossal coach forged in the likeness of the most powerful [[Bulkhead (Animated)|mail-plated behemoth]] he had e'er beheld. But alas, the Archer had aspired beyond his natural station, for his armored chariot proved slow and unwieldy. {{storylink|The Insincerest Form of Flattery|Thy Sweet Words Art Bespoke With Forked Tongue}}''

[[Image:Wreck-garangryarcher.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Prithee, good Sir Rubbish-Cart, dost thou dare to engage in such foolishness?]]
The Angry Archer was next espied fleeing from constables with his latest ill-gotten finery. His escape was madeth easier when said constables literally ran into [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Wreck-Gar]] and wer't dashed rightly senseless. The Archer convinced the clockwork squire to journey with him and help with future roguish gallantry, and did even give him his new appellation. Alas, yon giant couldst not distinguish a difference 'twixt jewels, tools, and spools, so much of the bounty would ne'er be seen again. In their next sortie to lay low an armored coach, the two highwaymen ran afoul of yet more [[Ratchet (Animated)|celestial]] [[Bumblebee (Animated)|knights]], who convinced the tractable trash-toting titan to turn 'gainst the valiant Archer. The befuddled behemoth didst then try to "catch" his former cohort by hurling him high into yon blue sky. When danger reared its ugly head, the Archer turned his tail and fled. {{storylink|Garbage In, Garbage Out|What Thou Casteth into the Midden, Thou Shalt Receive}}

The Angry Archer didst later sortie to [[Society of Ultimate Villainy|form a sacred order with like-minded knaves]], namely a [[Nanosec|velocity craving dervish]], a [[Professor Princess|cherubic maiden]] and a [[Slo-Mo|comely wench commanding mastery over Father Time himself]]. The merry band allied with [[Swindle (Animated)|a merchant of dubious caliber]] who offered them a stout sailing vessel's weight in treasure for their larcenous services. But ho, their benefactor was a [[Decepticon|celestial dark knight]] whose whims wouldst bring bloody rapine. Thus disadvantaged, they didst ally with yon [[Bumblebee (Animated)|saffron champion]] to avenge their wrongs. But, forsooth, they broke this pact when their quest was achieved, and were jailed by [[Carmine Fanzone|the city constable]]. {{storylink|SUV: Society of Ultimate Villainy|Order of the Tournament Chariot}}

''Once the celestial knights did riddeth themselves of the bonds of Earth, the Angry Archer verily ran rampant on the fair townspeople. He waylaid the lavish coach of one of Detroit's [[Porter C. Powell|well-monied barons]] and sought to away with a sliver of a [[AllSpark|star-crossed gem]]. But pandemonium held sway, as the mystical humours of the gem conjured into this mortal coil a new [[Stretch|armored knave]] with a foppish taste for finery. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|Necronomicon of Nerdly Nadir, Part the Second}}''
{{--}}

==Notes==
* This character's name and face are a play on Transformers design director [[Aaron Archer]]. The initial designs were conceived by [[Cartoon Network]] without Archer's awareness, and his original name would have been "Aaron the Archer," then "Aaron the Angry Archer."

* Once he learned of the character, the only change Aaron requested was to make the Archer left-handed, like Aaron himself. The Archer appears to be ambidextrous, though.

* His anachronistic robotic left hand was added to point out that even such a historically immersed character would still be taking advantage of future Detroit's advanced technology.

* The Angry Archer's arrowhead arsenal <s>ancludes</s> '''i'''ncludes....
** Magnetic grappling lines
** Laser cutters
** Steel fists
** Grenades

* He's also a parody of Robin Hood, Hawkeye and [[wikipedia:Green Arrow|Green Arrow]], and other archer-themed supercharacters, if you hadn't noticed.

* Angry Archer's voice is Jeff Bennett's [[wikipedia:John Cleese|John Cleese]] voice, which he's used for characters in other cartoons, including Lord Bravery (Legally, it's Lord Smoked Meats and Fishes) from ''[[wikipedia:Freakazoid|Freakazoid]]''.

* His theme music is evocative of the sound of a harpsichord.

* Angry Archer was intended to have a brief cameo in the season 3 episode "[[Human Error, Part II]]", in which he would be seen "sticking up" a Detroit citizen, only to have his mugging interrupted by several [[Sound Wave]] toys marching by in a parody of the Energizer Bunny commercials. The scene was cut for time according to ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|The AllSpark Almanac II]]''.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''A.A. Archer''' (A.A. アーチャー ''A.A. Āchā''), '''Angry Archer''' (アングリー・アーチャー ''Angurī Āchā'')

[[Category:Animated humans]]
[[Category:Fiction-only characters]]
[[Category:Supervillains]]

Aaron Archer

2014-08-22T23:44:11Z

Blackrock:

{{disambig2|the real-life Hasbro designer|the ''[[Transformers_Animated_(franchise)|Animated]]'' supervillain|Angry Archer}}
[[Image:Aaron-archer-botcon2005.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Aaron draws a portrait of Batman for fans at BotCon 2005. LEGENDS OF BATMAN!]]
'''Aaron Archer''' (born [[August 26]], [[1972]]<ref name="bday">[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-general-discussion/187887-happy-birthday-aaron-archer.html TFW2005 thread for Aaron's 36th birthday.]</ref> -) is a former high-ranking employee of [[Hasbro]].

Aaron's career was somewhat unusual insofar as he started out as a regular designer and eventually climbed up the corporate ladder.

As a designer, he first worked on toylines such as ''[[Batman]]'' and ''[[Jurassic Park]]'' before being moved to ''Transformers'' during the [[Transmetal]] 2 phase of ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars]]''. There, he designed toys like the Transmetal 2 incarnations of [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]], [[Iguanus (BW)|Iguanus]], [[Dinobot II|Dinobot]], [[Optimus Minor]], and [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]].

In the year 2000 Aaron was promoted to lead designer on the ''Transformers'' brand, where he played a large role in the planning of ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'', which was released in 2002. He played a similar role in the development of ''[[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'', as well as ''[[Transformers: Alternators| Alternators]]''. As well as designing characters and planning out the toylines, Aaron also wrote the story concepts for all three [[Unicron Trilogy]] lines that were eventually <s>made manifest in the lines' cartoon series</s> ignored by the Japanese production companies. In the middle of all of this, in 2004, he was further promoted to design director.

In later years, he held titles such as "Snr. Design Director", "Director of Global Design and Development" (for the ''Transformers'' and ''[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]'' brands) and, finally, "Vice President of Intellectual Property Development". In 2013, he resigned from Hasbro for undisclosed reasons.<ref name="aaronquit">[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=93321 "Aaron Archer No Longer With Hasbro, Yup"] at the Allspark.</ref>

Aaron is relatively well-known in the [[fandom]], partially because he spent several months posting to the boards at [http://www.tfw2005.com/ TFW2005] under the username "'''Orson'''", a name by which fans sometimes still refer to him. This is in turn a reference to [[Orson Welles]], the voice of [[Unicron]] in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''.

He now has a beard.

==Toys Aaron had a hand in designing==
===Beast Wars===
* [[Dinobot II|''Transmetal 2'' Dinobot]]
* [[Iguanus (BW)|''Transmetal 2'' Iguanus]]
* [[Megatron (BW)/toys|''Transmetal 2'' Megatron]]
* [[Optimus Minor]]

[[Image:ArcherinterviewArmadayearbook.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Proof that Archer is fluent in Japanese?]]
===Armada===
* [[Hot Shot (Armada)/toys|Hot Shot]]
* [[Megatron (Armada)/toys|Megatron]]
* [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]]
* [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]]
* [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]]
* [[Unicron]]
* Many, many [[Mini-Con]]s

===Energon===
* [[Signal Flare (Energon)|Signal Flare]]
* Early [[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]] concept

===Universe (2008)===
* [[Acid Storm (G1)|Acid Storm]] (deco stripe pattern)

==Orson's World==
[[Image:ActionAaron2009.jpg|thumb|200px|Aaron Archer did not actually have a magnificent beard when this internet drama was going on. Perhaps if he had, it could have all been avoided.]]

In early 2002, prior to the official launch of the ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' line, Aaron signed up to the boards of [http://www.tfw2005.com/ TFW2005] (then merged with the late Transfandom.net, later Transfandom.com) under the alias "Orson". After refuting a fan's pompous claims about the alleged properties of some of the ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Armada]]'' toys, the staff verified his identity as a Hasbro designer and created a special sub-forum for him, named "Orson's World". There, he would answer fan questions, but often only giving very vague hints or rejecting a carefully phrased, multi-point question with a blunt "NO." When the 2005 Boards split from Transfandom, "Orson's World" was migrated to the new TFW2005 site with Aaron's approval.

Aaron's stint as "Orson" eventually came to a sudden halt in September of 2003, when he was asked by his superiors to refrain from any further posts at TFW2005 and have his "Orson" account as well as his entire posting history deleted. Aaron initially blamed Jack, the owner of [http://www.tformers.com/ TFormers.com], another [[Fandom|fansite]], for sending a "sour grape email" to his PR department.<ref name="grapes">[http://macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?s=&showtopic=1445&view=findpost&p=24805 Mirrored version of Aaron Archer's farewell message as "Orson".]</ref> Jack initially rejected any involvement and threatened legal action for defamation of name, but later endorsed the termination of "Orson's World", without directly claiming responsibility: Allegedly, Aaron, in his "Orson" persona, had been behaving "unprofessionally", had been "rude" towards fans<ref name="tformers">[http://forums.tformers.com/talk/index.php?s=&showtopic=23309&view=findpost&p=420322 Jack's version of the story].</ref> and allegedly secretly supplied TFW2005 with photos of [[prototype]]s, thereby undermining a strict ban on photos of prototypes Hasbro had been enforcing for the better part of 2003. Other suspects blamed by "inside sources" were the staff of other fansites such as [http://www.seibertron.com/ Seibertron.com], [http://www.allspark.com/ The Allspark] (who later went on record several times denying any involvement, even explicitly mourning the loss of "Orson's World") and the owners of the late Transfandom.net/Transfandom.com, the latter of whom had allegedly phoned Hasbro and literally insulted their PR contact.<ref name="tfd">[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/1647228-post82.html Former Transfandom.com staff member telling his side of the story], [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/1647942-post91.html continued].</ref>

The true details of the goings-on behind the scenes that had led to the end of "Orson's World" will probably never be revealed in full. Which is probably for the better.

==Notes==
[[Image:Archerbot-04.jpg|right|180px|thumb|]]
* Aaron is a very, ''very'' bad speller. Reportedly, he was even known for this within Hasbro. The fact that he managed to rise that far up in the company's hierarchy despite his shortcomings in the writing field can be considered a testament to his skill, dedication and effort in the areas in which he excels.
* Aaron's favorite Transformer toy during the original run was [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]]. However, he felt Perceptor never got enough screen/panel time, which he attributes to the fact Perceptor turned into a difficult-to-utilize alternate form.<ref name="triple">''[[Triple Changer: From Toy To Comic To Screen]]'', [[Shout! Factory]] ''Transformers'' Season 1 DVD featurette</ref>
* When the [[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon]] '''Piranhacons''' (who would eventually become the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] [[Seacon (G1)|Seacons]]) were first introduced in a Hasbro panel at [[OTFCC 2004]], [[Skalor]] was labelled "Archerbot" after Aaron as a joke, as Skalor's name had not yet cleared Hasbro Legal.
*[[Longarm (Movie)|Movie Longarm]] has an ''Orson's Towing'' logo on his door panels, a somewhat obscure nod to Archer.
* Aaron's name and likeness are the basis for the ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]'' character [[Angry Archer]]. He was unaware of the character until fairly late in production, but went along with the idea when the Cartoon Network team agreed to give him a "robot arm" to fit into the future setting more and made him left handed (Archer is left handed).
* At the [[BotCon 2008]] Hasbro panel, Archer revealed that he was unable to find the Wal-Mart-[[exclusive]] [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Masterpiece Starscream]] at Wal-Mart retail stores. He was forced to purchase one off [[eBay]].
* Archer was featured on Shout! Factory's G1 Bonus Features "Triple Changer: From Toy to Comic to Screen", "The Combiner: Forming the Transformers Animated Series" and "The Autobots, the Decepticons & the Fans". He was also featured on Shout! Factory's Beast Wars Bonus Features "Maximize! Creating A New Breed Of Transformer" and "Remembering the Spark"

==Footnotes==
<references />

==External links==
*[http://www.aaronarcher.com/ Aaron's own website]
*[http://web.archive.org/web/20070710020958/http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=362808&Category=20&fromSearch=yes&subCategoryID=0 An interview with Aaron about his work on the Transformers and his youth, at CantonRep.com] (archived)
*[http://www.fieldsedge.com/Transformers.html An interview with Aaron at Fields Edge.com]
*[http://www.transformersclub.com/TFCCwedding.cfm Photos of Aaron's wedding.]
*[https://www.facebook.com/pages/Aaron-Archers-beard/102205256483486 Fans of Aaron Archer's beard]

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User:Blackrock

2014-08-21T01:25:03Z

Blackrock: Created page with "Hi."

Hi.

Ammo

2014-07-17T13:34:43Z

Blackrock:

{{factions|autobot}}
:''Ammo is an [[Autobot]] from the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW portion]] of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

[[File:Ammo.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]

'''Ammo''' is a member of the ''[[Lost Light]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s crew. He's a [[Militant Monoform Movement|monoformer]], and it's entirely possible he has criminal tendencies.

==Fiction==
===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
{{ongoing}}
Trapped in a cell by Chief Justice [[Tyrest (G1)|Tyrest]] on the legendarily lost [[Moonbase One|Luna 1]], [[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rodimus]] was informed by [[Minimus Ambus]] that amongst his crimes was harbouring a criminal aboard the ''Lost Light''. Trying to guess who among the ship's crew was the culprit, Rodimus picked Ammo fourth, after [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]], [[Atomizer]] and [[Lancet]]. {{storylink|Remain in Light 3 of 5: The Divided Self|The Divided Self}}

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{{storylink|Twenty Plus One}}

==Notes==
*When [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus]] first cast his eye over the crew manifest of the ''Lost Light'' in "[[Liars, A to D Part 1: How to Say Goodbye and Mean It|How to Say Goodbye and Mean It]]", he picked out several Autobots whose names begin with "A" that he considered to be potential troublemakers. It's likely that Ammo was one of these.
*In [[James Roberts]]' fan-novel ''Eugenesis'', there is an Autobot that is also called Ammo. However, ''that'' Ammo was killed and beheaded by [[Quintesson]] forces. Ouch.
*And if you dig deep enough into the [[Transmasters UK|Transmasters UK fan-continuity]], you may come across Ammo's name in one of Roberts' earlier fanfictions known as ''The Polyhex Wars''. In this piece, he is shown to have a much larger role as a totally epic sniper, previously known as ''Sights''. Whether or not this would match his persona in the IDW canon is unknown, but given the differences between the character ''Quark'' in his unofficial fan novel ''Eugenesis'' and the [[Quark]] in ''Shadowplay'', it would be best to leave Ammo's personality to the imagination of the reader.

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File:Scramble city packaging mural.jpg

2014-05-08T04:16:03Z

Blackrock:

''[[Scramble City (toyline)|Scramble City]]'' [[package art]]. Image courtesy of [http://www.botchthecrab.com/archive/ Botch's Box Art Archive].
{{G1packagingart}}

File:Beastbox g1.jpg

2014-05-08T04:15:43Z

Blackrock:

Hasbro's cardart for Decepticon Beastbox (from Botch's archive)
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Copyright 1988 Hasbro

Greg Weisman

2014-04-15T04:27:55Z

Blackrock: Since Star Wars gets a good deal of play on this wiki, this seems appropriate.

'''Greg Weisman''' ([[September 28]], [[1963]]) is a writer and producer who's best known for his involvement with all your favorite doomed shows: ''Gargoyles'', ''The Spectacular [[Spider-Man]]'', ''Young Justice'', ''[[Transformers: Prime]]'', you name it. He's like the Joss Whedon of animation. He's currently producing ''[[Star Wars]]: Renegades''.

==Writing credits==
===''Transformers Prime''===
*"[[Plus One]]"
===''Rescue Bots''===
*"[[Feed the Beast]]"

==External links==
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Weisman Greg Weisman @ Wikipedia]
* [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0918852/ Greg Weisman @ IMDb]
* [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/ Ask Greg @ Station 8]

[[Category: Writers|Weisman, Greg]]

Category talk:Knights

2014-03-24T21:34:36Z

Blackrock: Created page with "This category is ridiculous and I love it. --~~~~"

This category is ridiculous and I love it. --[[User:Blackrock|Blackrock]] ([[User talk:Blackrock|talk]]) 17:34, 24 March 2014 (EDT)

User talk:ItsWalky

2014-03-24T21:33:08Z

Blackrock: /* Dark Cybertron */

{{preview bastard}}

--I'm deeply sorry

[[User talk:ItsWalky/2006|2006 Archives]]

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==Paxs ship==

Can I ask what splash page you're on about? The one of him exiting the ship doesn't even show his feet? Also, the shadow clearly shows he's below the ship.
: The very next page. He's standing on top of the ship. Same reason everyone's having to look straight up in the air instead of, you know, directly in front of them. He's just standing on top of the dang ship. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:01, 6 January 2014 (EST)

==Things to say to you==
[[Image:Ttoc.GIF|right|thumb|We approve this message.]]

Just some thing I've been wanting to say to David...

First off, you're a monumental asshole. You have an ego the size of a small planet and it's irritating watching you act like an important SOB when you're basically just a nobody.

Second, your webcomics aren't funny. They're boring tripe that makes Penny Arcade look good(and believe me, Penny Arcade is garbage). Cyanide and Happiness is a funny webcomic, yours is not. Your "jokes" are painful, about like watching Michael Richards yell the n-word as a routine. You don't draw a comic, you draw an opinionated blog. I'm not sure which name suits your crap better, "ShitPacked" or "ShortDicked".

Your liberalism and your love of Indiana get on my nerves. You jab at Mallard Filmore? Yeah, one shitty comic making fun of another shitty comic. Or are you just pissed that his gets in newspapers while you're JUST a webcomic? As to Indiana, I live here, and if it were up to me, the state would be walled off and none of the freaks living there allowed to interact with the rest of the planet. The state is about 3 decades behind the times. But something tells me even you know this otherwise you'd still live here. I sure as hell do not live here by choice and as soon as I can, I'm moving far away from this joke of a state.

And your brand loyalty is typical fandom crap. You have Aaron Archer's rod so far down your throat it's unreal. And Aryan fucktard Michael Bay's rod has apparently joined it. I'd say soemthing abotu Don Murphy but he was born without one. Actually, I can say something- he's Kevin "unfunny asshole" Smith with more body fat. Hasbro didn't give the film to a competent director, just a cheap one. And neither Speilberg or ILM have done anything useful in years. Give WETA, or even Tom Savini a chance and we wouldn't be getting Bionicle bots. You're afraid to not like a Hasbro product. No wonder they don't have to go out of the way to please the "fans"- you'll accept it no matter what. But hey, you personally have been sucking off incompetent British bonehead Simon Furman and his shitty stories for years. There are no gods in Transformers. Unicron was built by a monkey, little man. Furman is dog shit.

And go figure this TF wiki is a joke full of misinformation, insults or outright lies- you're a mod here. You're never right. You're more of an incorrect pompous jerkoff than Defunct is. Right, ban me from editing, as if it would somehow matter, any info you don't agree with is pulled. You only have friends because people feel sorry for you. Me, I have no need. People are a commodity to be used and their wants only get in the way of what I'm out for. Use them and drop them.

Who am I? Go look who added a note about you on Encyclopedia Dramatica's Allspark page if you're not too lazy. As well as past AS, Kalidor, FIRRIB and Hooks entries(the hooks entry especially true). Oh, and just info on white people in general and that idiotic Nintendo Wii. I'm not making it that easy for you.
: Is it my birthday? This stuff ''feeds'' me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
: Duuuuude. Walky may be a dick, but I still ''like'' him for some inexplicable reason. You, on the other hand, are just one sore drama queen.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 17:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: This is some of the most funny stuff I've seen in a while. Comedy PLATINUM. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: Bwa ha ha ha ha. Priceless. I think someone needs to get off the internets for a few minutes. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 02:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: Wait, you mean I didn't get drunk and write this? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 05:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: I wish lame puns happened to me. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 20:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Why do I get the feeling that guy has been permanently banned?[[User:Florky Man|Mr. Florky]] 15:55, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Wow, an Encyclopedia Dramatica troll. No need to be so harsh on Walky. I, too, like the Baybots, and, I happen to like Bionicle. Also, his Webcomic is one of my favorites. So, if you have nothing nice to say, never ever EVER come back here.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 16:22, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

==BANNED==

What the hell did I do to warrant a ban, exactly? As far as I'm aware, I don't even think I broke any rules, and if I did, an official warning would be appropriate. I received no such warning. I was not here for trolling and you know that - you use that bullshit excuse to get people to ignore arguments you can't handle. But you, personally, who made this decision, know I'm not a troll.

This is fucking low. I had little enough respect for you down to your ranting against the fanbase, Willis, but this is a whole new level of buggery. If you're going to use your comic to rant against and discredit people you don't like, the least you can do is suck it up when people rant at you back, and not act like a control-freak child.

I really don't think you're aware of your own actions anymore.
*Do the words [[Wikipedia:WP:NPA|no personal attacks]] mean anything to you? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:18, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
:: Do the words "warning before ban" mean anything to you? Rulemongering doesn't justify a decision anyway, since Walky is one of the people making the rules. There were plenty of personal attacks leveled at me, but I did not report them officially.

::I really find it hard to believe that you think it's completely on a rational level of discourse to claim that the comic strip I draw is about child pornography. If I'm not mistaken about your identity, you've been banned from almost every single Transformers web board you've had an acquaintance with, and I'm only doing this place a favor by getting rid of you. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:22, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

::: That's not an excuse. I will openly admit I HAVE been banned from several forums, but only because I repeatedly opposed the staff on each and every one of them; and with good cause, they all have roughly the same problem. People bully others either into liking the movie or to agree with the kind of views you promote - and since nobody can directly attack or discredit anyone, these people(and you are) are left to their methods.
::: For your current decision to be validated, the admins of those boards, boards which are influenced in turn by your anti-fan attitude, would have to be near 100% correct in their decisions, and those decisions would have to occur within a context that would map exactly onto here. Any rational moderator does not base their decisions so much off performance on other boards, especially when it's not even a messageboard they're operating. Two different media. I have openly said I despise all active Transformers boards for their level of authoritarianism, yet level of tolerance towards the pushing of certain viewpoints.

::: Not to mention that you're still operating under the fallacy of Appeal to Majority - that alone means I shouldn't really even have to counter you.

::: And don't even use the "CHILD PORNOGRAPHY" thing as an excuse. Again, any rational moderator would warn several times before a ban, I personally reversed that edit even though it was obviously intended to be a joke as anyone reading this knows what pile'o'bile already is. You have no justification for what you did, but your ego is too big to realise you can actually do wrong with your power. You'll never admit it, but I wouldn't be surprised if some part of you is pissed that I defeated some of your ramblings, whether they were directly written by you or encouraged by you, it's still the kind of guff you normally blew, and I managed to defeat it. You, and the mods of the big sites will always have your ban buttons - but you will NEVER be able to justify your actions to me. That's how I know that I'm in the right, at least in situations like this - solidly backed justification is almost always absent.
:::: Personal attacks + deleting comments in response to you = banno --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:36, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
:::: P.S. Sign your posts. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:36, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

::::: I have never intentionally deleted comments in response to me. I just moved one recently as it was in the middle of a paragraph of text. Not to mention that happened after you banned my original IP. Personal attacks alone are not grounds enough for a ban, especially when you're doing an awful, awful lot to be mercilessly torn into.
Need I point out that once again, you are unable to defend yourself properly? When does the "You're insane?" come? Ganging up of all your little friends since a majority always means you're right?
Do you even realise what a fascist shithead you sound like? Just because you're an admin of a place doesn't give you a free pass to be a dick with it. There's a difference between what you can do and what you should do that you don't seem to have learned yet. [[User:67.159.44.88|67.159.44.88]]

: YOU BAN PEOPLE BECAUSE ****YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE

TRUTH****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111twelve FUCKING FASCIST PIGCOP NAZI WIKIPEDO '''ASSHOLE''' [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:32, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:: My gosh, now that I have seen someone mock the notion, it MUST be untrue. Please, where can I learn these 1337 debating skills?

:::Dude, I've been banned from twice as many forums as you, guaranfuckingteed, but they still let me post here because I'm not as goddamn retarded as you are. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:34, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:::: And can you demonstrate exactly how I'm more retarded than you? Or are you just, Walky style, dropping weighted terms to discredit someone's point of view without even trying?

:::::1. Hoop doesn't delete other people's comments on talk pages. 2. He actually signs his posts, which you've been asked to do many times, but haven't caught on. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:40, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:::::: I didn't delete anything. If I did, it was an accident because someone posted right in the middle of text it wasn't meant to be in the middle of. Not signing my posts doesn't make me retarded since it's blatant when I'm saying something. --[[User:67.159.44.88]]

Actually - come to think of it, you make fun of the idea that anyone running a site can be Nazi, yet you still mention you got banned from many forums. Does that perhaps mean that you genuinely got banned for being an asshole and not opposing the staff/local clique like I did?

:''any rational moderator would warn several times before a ban''
:Not true, some things are auto-ban. I don't think you ''did'' any of them, but I'm just saying.
:Dude- you got an expedited ban because you showed no signs of contrition, argued every point, used personal insults, refused to sign your posts even when '''repeatedly asked to''' (I had to go back into history and dig out which incoherent chunks of text where yours, because the posts weren't hierarchied properly so the debate was really hard to follow. This is why signin posts is important dumbfuck.)
:And ultimately you got banned because you were making a major nuisance of yourself in ''without'' any correlating '''contribution''' to justify keeping you around. You're a negative. You edited 3 articles- Fandom, Shortpacking and Ruined Forever- and ''all' of those edits got reverted because they either flames or crappy jokes that make the articles ''worse''. Even if I were to (generously) believe you didn't intend to start a fight, you picked the 3 flamebaitiest articles you could find and masturbated across them. ''Allah forfend'' you should write an ''episode summary'' or something.
:Unrelated- Walky can Talk:Fandom be semi-protected instead of full? Loserbot isn't registered. -[[User:Derik|Derik]]01:06, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

==On an unrelated note: Thank you.==
I know this is an odd place to say it, but I figured if I only said it once, it wouldn't be a bother so here goes: Thank You. Shortpacked is hilarious, and when not laughing, I'm agreeing with alot of the statements the main character makes. (and feeling like I was the only one who noticed some of them, like the one about General Discussions.) I also noticed your a Hot Shot fan, which is also awesome. I also noticed its due to the efforts of you and other people here that the move was made from Wikia to Tfwiki, which was a good idea so I also want to say a long overdue thank you for doing that as well, and finally: thanks for doing what you can for this site, because without this site, I'd be out of the loops on Club Exclusive things, and other Misc. Transformers related content. I go here frequently for information (or lolz) and I'm quite sure not only me but many others are grateful to you and all others who help contribute to this place.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
:Thanks, and we do our best! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:08, 4 January 2010 (EST)
I love it too. Ive been going through the archives and im up to the part where amber gets a bit of a makeover and ive loved every second of it --[[User:Mrgalvaprime|Mrgalvaprime]] 17:25, 14 January 2012 (EST)
only webcomic I read daily.--
[[User:Mojotron|Mojotron]]

==Tulsa, Oklahoma==
Sorry to bother you (I tried to avoid saying something again sense I already did the 'Thank you' earlier, but I HAD to ask about this). Had nothing better to do so I've been reading shortpacked's full archive beginning to end today. (Well I'm currently on July 6 2009 to be fair) and I noticed something that I just HAD to ask about. I've noticed once you mentioned Oklahoma. I ignored it the first time but then later you said "Tulsa". Now you got me curious, because I live in Tulsa and thus wondered what made you decide to choose to mention here of all places, sense basically nothing ever happens here. (Aside from the occasional Convention and the recent BOK center. Granted I may be moving to Florida in a few years..I really hope so. Been here my whole life and its boring) Just thought I'd ask, before curiosity drove me nuts. Keep up the good work on the comic, peace.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

EDIT: haha on second thought..maybe I should've said this at Walkypedia..or do you even go there? (I'd assume you do.) Oh well, my mistake I guess. Hope you'll still answer my question regardless. lol--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

== WfC Starscream ==

You said: "We revert that back to Starscream every time you change it for a reason."
:Well that's just great since that is my first contribution to that page. And the picture itself says Skywarp so I was just making both consistent. I'll change the pic to Starscream as well.--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 11:22, 14 January 2010 (EST)
:: Ah, sorry. Got you confused with Blackout, who was also changing it to Skywarp. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:28, 14 January 2010 (EST)
::: No prob. Just re-uploaded the image with starscream in the name rather than skywarp. The old one now has the delete tag. Thanks. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 11:33, 14 January 2010 (EST)

== Quick Report ==

More vandalism, on Nekomimi A/B, section animated..I think? caption didn't seem right..
I heard you're supposed to report to an Admin, right?
-[[User:SlamBolt|Danny LeFox]] 23:37, 20 January 2010 (EST)
: The caption is okay. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:10, 21 January 2010 (EST)

== Independent Wikis ==
Hello Walky. This is Archaic, webmaster of Pokémon fansite Bulbagarden, and its associated wiki Bulbapedia. I sent you an email about 2 weeks ago (to the address linked on both your webcomics) regarding an idea I've recently been playing around with of a co-operative of independent wikis. I understand that you've been rather busy recently, so I just wanted to check if you had received that email or not, and if you might be interested in contributing your thoughts to the matter? --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 20:24, 25 January 2010 (EST)
: I did receive it! I'm sorry for not answering swiftly. Our answer depends on how much interaction you are looking for. Part of the appeal of leaving Wikia was breaking free of the mandatory link chain to "related wikis" that they put at the bottom of our frontpage. Our frontpage is now our own. That's not something I think we're interested in. We are, though, all in favor of people starting up their own wikis instead of depending on those lying Wikia assmongers. (to coin a phrase) But, I can't speak for the people here who help maintain this wiki and how much they would be willing to lend a hand. So, uh, the answer to your question at the moment is: "I don't know?" Um. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:47, 25 January 2010 (EST)
::Heh, no worries. We're all fairly busy at this time of year. For now, we're going full steam ahead with a limited version of this idea, focusing specifically on wikis linked to Nintendo franchises, which we're likely to launch within a couple of weeks. Perhaps it might be easiest if I'm able to show you what we're doing there? While we're doing quite a bit of integration between the partner wikis for this limited network, I'd imagine that any more general grouping of independent wikis would have to be a lot less so, if only for logistical reasons. As I mentioned in the email, it's all fairly up in the air right now. A lot of brainstorming, but not a lot of actual action at this point. --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 15:15, 26 January 2010 (EST)
:::If I may weigh in... basically, while I wager most (if not all) of us are individually supportive of any wikis that break free of Wikia, when it comes to linking on this wiki we generally only stick to links that add information to our articles, such as TFU.info, Marvel Universe TF profiles, Wookieepedia and GI Joe sites for Star Wars and GI Joe crossovers, etc. So unless there's some crossover connection between Pokemon and TF that we missed, I don't see that we can help, because we don't have anything that would need a link to your wiki. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:35, 26 January 2010 (EST)
::::What, not even with that page you have on Pokéformers? ;) Seriously though, I think you might have misunderstood what I was suggesting. I'm not looking at a 2-way affiliation or link here. Instead, what I've been investigating is much closer to what Walky has in Blank Label Comics for his webcomics. An alliance of wikis united by a common purpose. Exactly how far one would take that is the real question. I certainly wouldn't expect a link to every wiki in such a network on the front page of any wiki in it. As you've rightly pointed out, you value the independence you've regained after breaking from Wikia, and any such network would have to be very careful to maintain that for all sites while still offering something meaningful. *shrugs* Like I said, all very much pie-in-the-sky kind of vague ideas right now, just exploring possibilities. --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 20:47, 26 January 2010 (EST)

:::::I don't know if you've heard, but wikia has decided to make a change (mandatorily!) that is 100 times worse than what drove you guys to a new server. I am interested in finding info on how you guys actually performed your move, and what would need to be done before, during, and after to make it work. If you could give me even a link (so that I can show others), that would be hugely helpful.
:::::If you could message me on my wikia talk page (yes, I know), that would be most appreciated. Thanks![[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 10:18, 28 September 2010 (EDT)

==Yeaaaaaaaah==
:: ''Hey, were you the [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Tales_of_the_Fallen_issue_5&diff=414380&oldid=413827 guy who called a dude a schmuck for no real reason], and so then he [http://shortpacked.livejournal.com/593224.html?thread=14980936#t14980936 quit this wiki] because he was treated like shit? You don't get a vote. Especially since you think Florida and Cuba are separated by a friggin' river. (Anyway, I vote against rhyming in the Headmasters section.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:07, 8 February 2010 (EST)''
Yes because he was considering the entry was as bare and snarky as possible (You're hardly the soul of discretion all the time yourself sir) . And remarkably, being from a good distance across the planet, I don't know where everything is situated on that side of the world so the assumption of he ran into a river instead of the atlantic ocean, while my own fault I'll admit, is fairly understandable. But if I'm not aloud to voice my opinion cause a guy you don't know told you something about another guy you don't know, then tell me now please, save me trying to vote on something again. (I'm being completely serious by the way, if that's the case, I want to know). All the best. [[User:Eire]] 01.33 Feb 09 2010 (UTC)
::: When your opinion is "the guy who created this page is a schmuck," then you're probably going to get some flak for said opinion. It's not like the page was horribly put together. It was just abbreviated and snarky. It wasn't called for. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:52, 8 February 2010 (EST)

== Guess who's back..... ==

[[User:Masterman666]]
--[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:45, 11 February 2010 (EST)
: Remind me who he is, again? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:54, 11 February 2010 (EST)
::[[User:Masterman555]]. Banned for flaming and using a sockpuppet. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:01, 11 February 2010 (EST)
:::Then bye-bye, then! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:15, 11 February 2010 (EST)

== Breakaway image caption ==

Isn't Topspin the one with no personality? (Or was it a ref to Breakaway being Mister Likes-Everyone-Nice-Guy?) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:13, 11 February 2010 (EST)
: Topspin doesn't like being used, and ripped Kickback's spark out of him in angry fury. That's more than Breakaway ever emoted. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:16, 11 February 2010 (EST)
::Plus, his utter devotion to Alpha Trion was also more characterization than Breakaway got. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:19, 11 February 2010 (EST)
:::Fair enough... it's just that since Topspin was always the one with the "No personality" cracks in his page (and the one who's profile specifically says he's had his personality and will crushed out) it seemed potentially out of place, so I figured I'd ask.
:::(Personally I admit I wouldn't claim Breakaway (who did a fair bit of pep-talking everyone) has no personality any more than Heatwave, who's equally easy-going, friendly, and optimistic, can be said to not have one, but I was more checking for possible mistakes than taste...) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:47, 11 February 2010 (EST)

== RE: Divebomb ==
Hup, my bad. Thanks for catching that! [[User:Ayellowbirds|Ayellowbirds]] 11:06, 22 February 2010 (EST)

== Red Alert image ==
Thanks for color correcting it, looks much better. My desktop bit the dust last week, and my netbook chokes on photoshop. [[User:Kookaburra|Kookaburra]] 01:22, 30 March 2010 (EDT)

==Mainpage logos==
I'm shocked you haven't put up BC Breakdown yet. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:34, 8 April 2010 (EDT)
:I just put up *a* Breakdown. Really, I'd prefer to stick to art rather than toy images. Spark was an adrenaline rush exception. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:34, 8 April 2010 (EDT)

== I can't think of a suitable title to put here right now..... ==

[[Special:Log/block&page=User:Jeysie|This seems rather uncalled for.]]

Thank you for your attention. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:38, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
: Maybe you should have brought it up during the twenty-four hours in which she was banned, and not like a few minutes before it expired. And it was certainly called for, considering the disrespect she was showing other users. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:15, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
::You called her a bitch. Was that not disrespectful as well? - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:43, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
:::I think that was just me making an obvious point about her having talk page conversations ''entirely about other posters''. As usual, I make my points through sarcasm. Jeysie wasn't being sarcastic or trying to illustrate a greater point when she told me to stop "mouthing off." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:21, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
:::I'm not upset about being banned. What I am upset about is that the reason it's so irritating trying to have a conversation with you is that you are constantly responding to people trying to make reasonable points with mocking rude responses, often ones that illustrate that the point was missed. So, I don't like ''your'' disrespectful attitude any more than you like mine.
:::Considering you actually make good points on the few occasions you turn off the mocking attitude and take the time to understand the points being made, it'd make dealing with you a whole lot less frustrating if you'd keep the attitude turned off all the time. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:57, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
::::Ahahaha Jeysie is telling me to stop having a mocking attitude! I will mark that on my Jeysie-is-condescending calendar OH WAIT THERE IS NO ROOM --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:21, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
:::::Can we stop this? Both of you? You're both highly devoted editors to this wiki and we don't need a long lasting feud. Pretty Please? --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 17:28, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
::::::The kids don't like it when mommy and daddy fight.... --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:36, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
::::::Seconded. This is time and energy better spent on working on articles, and I've seen enough from both of you to know that it would benefit the wiki greatly if you did that. -- [[User:Ayellowbirds|Ayellowbirds]] 17:40, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
:::::::If Walky drops the attitude problem, there won't ''be'' a feud, because I'll have nothing to comment on to him, which will make me very happy.
:::::::The only reason I say anything at all is because I'm tired of his attitude always making trying to discuss something on the wiki a stressful chore instead of something productive. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:44, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
::::::::This is silly. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 17:48, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::Response to Walky: Maybe you're not aware, but I am on a different continent than you are. Different continent = different time zone = inability to respond at the same time as you Americans. And don't even TRY to shift the blame. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 05:07, 10 April 2010 (EDT)

==New bot==
Can I get a bot tag for [[User:DNAVI]] please? abates said you were the man for the job. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 02:25, 15 April 2010 (EDT)

== Regarding TG Studios and the guy you banned ==

[[Talk:TG Studios|You may want to check this out.]] --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:33, 29 April 2010 (EDT)

Can you make Timelines sharkticon on wirte and put on a image ?

== Squiggles! ==

If by "squiggles", you mean "Japanese", toss me a copy of that translation, eh, my fine fellow? For the annotations, don'tcha know! :) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:30, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
: In the filecard for Primal Major and Alpha Supreme, Maggie translated the two non-English characters at the end of it, which mean "Shanghai." That's all she's done (per my specific request), so I don't have anything else to tell you. :) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:35, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
::Ahh, that's still cool! I wouldn't have figured it out on my own! I have spotted at least one or two other bits of Japanese in there and was going to pester Spengler about them anyway. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:40, 5 July 2010 (EDT)

== King Starscream's bounty ==

So, do I get it if I turn myself in? - [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 12:55, 2 August 2010 (EDT)

== Look! ==

You suck! Along with most of the other administartors on this wiki. I can't believe you treat people the way you do. I've been watching for a while, and I will tell you, that you're just an asshole! Why don't you grow up, and quit being a dick to everyone! Banning people for ridiculous reasons! Telling people their work is shit! In fact, I created this account just to confront you! GROW UP AND QUIT BEING A DICK! YOU"RE AN ASSHOLE! {{unsigned|Generations123|17:32, 11 August 2010 (EDT)}}
:The irony is staggering. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 17:40, 11 August 2010 (EDT)
:: I think this guy deserves a Shortpacked! comic in his honor.--[[Special:Contributions/65.11.250.113|65.11.250.113]] 19:26, 29 August 2010 (EDT)

== My sandboxes ==

Hiya David, I was wondering if you will take a look at my improved Primes sandbox (not that I'm suggesting to retitle the article or anything, it's just the whim of my user space). I hadn't realized Marvel never uses the number 13, as it's been years since I read "Legacy of Unicron" or "Primal Scream", one takes these things for granted now. Also, regarding Alpha Trion, I finally have a response again to yesterday's chat, I feel we can compromise on this: the only thing bugging people about him being a multiversal singularity is SG. As you suggested, we should wait: we should wait to see if Forest or Hasbro explain his actions in that continuity or if multiversal singularities don't apply to mirrorverses like SG and that Alpha is truely unique from the original Prime who's more likely than not the one from G1/RID/UT/TA/ROTF/WFC. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 14:08, 12 August 2010 (EDT)

== Scan request ==

Since I can't find my copy of it at the minute, and since I know you had it out recent to scan that image of Rodimus Prime that's on the main page at the moment, might I trouble you to scan the panel from the third issue of the Marvel movie adaptation that features Hot Rod with a handful of energon sticks? On Junkion, when he's trying the universal greeting. Thanks! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 04:59, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

== Ultra Magnus ==

I think we need to rewrite the Dreamwave section. It's kind of old TFwiki there with the super-condensed summary and lack of links to individual issues. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:04, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

== Daleks ==

Listen, if you want behind the scenes proof, When the Daleks first appeared in Doctor Who, they were called Daleks, Davros calling the casing Mark 3 Travel Machine never happed until the time of the Forth Doctor. The information on the page is WRONG.
[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 16:19, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

Oh, and by the way, Davros if a Doctor Who character. Detour is giving us information from fiction too. The comment is wrong.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 16:22, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

== Something that might be of interest to the TFWiki... ==

I think you'll find [http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/original-g1-scripts-designs-other-items-on-heritage-auction/20162/ this] to be rather interesting, as it may contain certain materials that would be decent additions to this Wiki. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 19:39, 8 November 2010 (EST)
: Thanks. I took some screencaps where I could. We should tell [[Jim Sorenson]] these exist and maybe he has a million dollars. (Or maybe just a hundred. Not many bids on these, and who the hell even knows this auction site exists?) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:33, 8 November 2010 (EST)
::That site had some of the live-action movie props being auctioned either last year or earlier this year, IIRC. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 22:45, 8 November 2010 (EST)
:Should I/we let him know in his [[User talk:Jimsorenson|User Talk page]] about this? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 14:09, 9 November 2010 (EST)

==Question & request==
How come we should keep "Junkion trader"? I wouldn't know of a source that makes it a canon designation and before the article even had the noname-nickname template. So, why keep a made-up name that's no longer needed?
: Also, if you have ''The Complet Ark'', could you add an image of adult Chip Chase to his article? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 13:15, 14 November 2010 (EST)
:: Isn't "Junkion trader" from a magazine or something? I don't think we made it up. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:43, 14 November 2010 (EST)
:::I can't say anything about magazines (though I'd wonder which magazine would bother to mention such an obscure "character"), but mostly, Derik, who made the article, had it marked as "nickname" from the start and left a reason for naming Junkion 1 "Junkion trader" on the Omniverse talk page. Altogether, I think it's not canon in any capacity. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 13:49, 14 November 2010 (EST)
::::*clenches fist* ''Derik''!! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:50, 14 November 2010 (EST)

==Another request (Junkion related)==
I figure that before I completely lose my sight looking for Junkion models in a sea of red & random, I should ensure someone will move the Junkion articles (currently 3) I've been writing to their proper location. Would you be so kind? If the articles aren't clear enough on which model/character is described, there's a small extra description in the mainpic temapltes (that I just figured out don't show up on the actual page). Pretty please? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 12:40, 17 November 2010 (EST)
: I don't own the Complete Ark, so it will have to wait for someone to divulge that information. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:49, 17 November 2010 (EST)
:: :( Well, I guess I could try pestering Sorenson about it. Sorry for bothering you. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:55, 17 November 2010 (EST)
::: I have the Complete Ark, but I'm finding your descriptions a little vague. I think I'd need screen shots or comic panels or whatever to work out who you're talking about. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 17:06, 17 November 2010 (EST)
::::As I said, the mainpic template contains a "screenshot description" that should make it possible to track who is who. Otherwise, [[:Image:TFTM Junkions.JPG|the three most in front in order are: kisser, double-eye and mouthplate]]. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 17:09, 17 November 2010 (EST)

== Talk:Bulkhead (Prime) ==

But every other kind of comment is allowed including swearing. The whole point of discussion pages is to discuss despite whether you think it's a waste. If it was in the wrong place then you should have said. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 09:46, 29 November 2010 (EST)
: "He looks kind of purple when he's under certain lighting" is not something that's worth discussing. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:43, 29 November 2010 (EST)

== This might silence those who question the WFC/Exodus/Prime continuity ==

We finally have [http://www.unicron.com/news_item/2462/ official word] straight from the mouth of Hasbro itself that War for Cybertron, Exodus, and Prime are indeed in the same aligned continuity. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 16:16, 8 December 2010 (EST)
:So... exactly what we had BEFORE. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:24, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::Yeah, but, now we can point nonbelievers to the words directly, instead of them having to just take our word for it. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 16:33, 8 December 2010 (EST)
:::So... exactly what we had BEFORE. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:39, 8 December 2010 (EST)
:::On this very wiki: [[Hasbro_Q%26A/September_2010:_Answers]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:06, 8 December 2010 (EST)

== I Am Sorry ==

Hey look, I am here to apologize for the crap I have been saying. I was acting like a jerk for a while to you and It has really been haunting me recently. I know I need to work on my grammer, and I actually shouldn't posting anything since I am only in my second year in High School, and to be honest, I have only been a fan of TF for 9 years. I have really been a jerk recently and I just want to have a clean start now. I hope you understand. I am sorry, in other words, for all the crap I put you and this sight through.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 14:02, 22 December 2010 (EST)

== Walky..... ==
Care to tell me why you have blocked my IP? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 06:11, 23 January 2011 (EST)
:ItsWalky blocked your IP because of that Goldbug (IDW) toy deal of a few days ago. He may not have realized you were a regular contributor, but regardless, you should've started a third/fourth debate rather than declare the first two void because their results don't strike with your view on "reality". [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 06:20, 23 January 2011 (EST)
:: I blocked the anonymous IP who got into the edit war over removing Goldbug's toy info, which was just fucking obnoxious. If that was you, then whoops. Don't be a dickwad. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:16, 23 January 2011 (EST)

== You have Lugnut? ==

I've heard about you reviewing him, did you obtain him at a Brick & Mortar store like Walmart or Target? If so, which one (so the hunt may go on). Or was it through eBay/"specialty" store, or overseas? Moreso I'm wondering if the "not yet released" tag should still be applied to the Hasbro version on [[Lugnut (TF 2010)|his page]]. [[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 23:28, 11 February 2011 (EST)
: I got him from Big Bad Toy Store. He has been seen in stores, but like many other toys these days, he's having trouble hitting saturation. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:45, 12 February 2011 (EST)

==Aw look==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/David_Willis_(cartoonist)_(2nd_nomination) Your Wikipedia page is up for deletion].

-Blackout-
:Yeah, a nomination you started. Big effing whup. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:04, 9 March 2011 (EST)
::Which is why it got a SpeedyKeep and the deletion tag is already gone. Nice try. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:52, 9 March 2011 (EST)

== Generations Scourge ==

Ohhh, yes, I see now. I didn't realise that his head could extend so far up. I thought it was just the normal extension for his robot mode. Bit of a pain to push back down, though...

Anyway, I apologise.

[[Special:Contributions/24.143.42.51|24.143.42.51]] 16:40, 26 March 2011 (EDT)

== Thanks! ==

Thank you for backing me up on the bolded-comma issue. I knew all those things people said about you couldn't be true! [[User:JW|JW]] 16:24, 21 April 2011 (EDT)

==A week?==
Don't you think that's a bit long for a regular editor to be banned? Far as I can tell, he didn't even get a warning. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 12:58, 29 April 2011 (EDT)
: It's not his first week-long ban. And he's been warned (and banned) about this behavior before. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:07, 29 April 2011 (EDT)
::Don't you think that's a bit short since that's about the only thing he does? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 13:11, 29 April 2011 (EDT)

==Iacon Archives==
Looking through the history of "Laserbeak (Cybertron)" and "Revelations Part 3", I see you were the one who called the archives the 'Iacon Archives'. Where did you get this name from, as it is not in the comics? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 17:45, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
: The archives appeared to be in Iacon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:17, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
:: Could you elaborate on "appeared"? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 03:02, 21 May 2011 (EDT)
::: Everything in the story happened in Iacon. Or under Iacon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:43, 21 May 2011 (EDT)
:::: Not really, since Vector Prime and co. first hang out at Kalis and Kaon also gets namedropped at some point. So... I guess that means the Archives' location can't be pinpointend any better than "somewhere on Cybertron". Thanks for helping me! [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:14, 21 May 2011 (EDT)

==New User==
There I did everything you said also I don't know how to use user pages so I hope i'm doing this right.[[User:Chubzhac|Chubzhac]] 23:35, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

==External Links==
Is it ok to use external links for titles such as ''Star Trek: Leonard McCoy, Frontier Doctor''? -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 00:15, 31 May 2011 (EDT)
: In what context? I'd really rather prefer most external links remain in the External links section. I kinda hate when I click on a link in the body of an article, thinking there'll be something relevant on this site, only to be taken elsewhere. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:16, 31 May 2011 (EDT)
::That's a little contradictory since there are external links all over this site that isn't in the External Links section. So what specifically don't you like about it? Being misled into thinking you're going onto Lindsey Lohan's Wikipedia article, but instead go to Mandy Moore's? (or something like that) What I meant exactly was that in almost every issue's page there's an Advertisment section showing what else is from the same publisher (that's why I used ''Star Trek'' as an example). So could some of those advertisments have an external link to another wiki site that would specialise (or have more insight) in that particular title. I hope that was a little more straight foward and maybe a little easier to understand. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 13:16, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

== Probation appeal ==

So, the incident that led to my probation was proposing that [[Dead End (Animated)]] move to "Dead End (Timelines)" on the basis that that was his franchise-of-origin. I brought the issue up on the Allspark's "Major Wiki work" thread because I had no idea why it was reverted and I couldn't talk about it here (because of the probation thing). [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=51208&view=findpost&p=1825571 The conclusion seemed to be] that I was ''technically'' correct, but the Wiki just didn't want to do it that way.
{{quote|The idea of moving the BotCon-exclusive Animated characters to a "Timelines" disambig is just one of those occasional instances where the instruction to "[[Help:Ignore all standards|ignore all standards]]" comes into play. Sometimes, it's just easier, more aesthetically pleasing, or just feels RIGHT to do things a certain way that may not be the way everything else is done.|[[Chris McFeely]]}}
I went about everything the right way, as far as I know. I put one move proposal tag on one page so it could be talked about. I gave a technically correct reason, "Franchise of origin. Like [[Cop-Tur (Timelines)]]". I do my best to remember to not do what I have been hollered at for doing in the past, but seriously, I had no way of knowing I was stepping into an instance of "ignore all standards". All you really had to do was revert my one move proposal with a big "We are ignoring all standards you moron!" in the change log. You would have felt better for hollering at me and I would have been clued in on what was going on and that would have been the end of it. So, can I please have my probation lifted? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:59, 12 June 2011 (EDT)

==When the past comes to haunt you==
[[Vector Sigma Chamber]] - I have no clue how it could be written so that it's significantly different from the Vector Sigma page. You've stated you believe it could be an article with its own worth. If you have time, would you please give the page its long needed update? 
Meanwhile, I have never been able to track down the source that the ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]'' is Shockwave's underwater base in the Marvel comics. You and Derik talked about the source being one of the letters pages, but would you have any idea which issue's letters page? 
As an aside, [[TFWiki.net 2011 Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions/Entries|this page]] is locked, which would be all fine and stuff if not for the handful of article links that can not be fixed anymore. Could you please remove all of them? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:32, 15 June 2011 (EDT)

== New and ticked off ==

I'm new here. I have taken your suggestions into account, but there is one thing that still bothers me: no one else wants to help me. Can you lend a hand? --[[User:Ibreakthingz|The Breaker]] 19:24, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
:Nope - Random IP number
::What do you need help with? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:54, 20 June 2011 (EDT)
Let me tell you, I am SUPER excited to help the guy who starts off by telling me he's ticked off. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:03, 20 June 2011 (EDT)

== Oh man, sorry ==
I don't see any comments, only some guy asking about how the info and description of Cybertron should be. Sorry about the confusion. I actually don't think that I ever reverted it back O.o I don't remember that, I must have clicked on some wrong place or something. Again, sorry fellow Transformer-fan :) [[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] 11:15, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

== Dark of the Moon: Ship? ==

What exactly did they use to explore the moon then? Just wondering, thanks. [[User:Autow1ngz|Autow1ngz]] 02:22, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
: The novelization calls the ship Ratchet and Optimus Prime take to the moon the "Atlax X," a human-built craft. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:45, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
:Whoops, what I meant to say was what did Optimus and Ratchet use to recover the comatose (boy I love that word after seeing it on Tfwiki) body of Sentinel? [[User:Autow1ngz|Autow1ngz]] 03:00, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
::No, in the finished film, they ''do'' use the Xantium to go to the moon. Prime announces in a voiceover at the beginning of the scene, "Xantium approaching Tranquility base". - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:42, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
:::It feels weird, then, that they only really introduce the ship much later in the movie.--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:34, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
::::Quite agreed. Seems fairly obvious that it was originally going to be a human-built endeavour (it's the "Ares V" in the comic), but then someone said "Why do they need a human rocket if our script already features a pre-existing Autobot spaceship as a plot point?", and it got shoved in earlier without any real reworking of the later intro scene. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:38, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

== Evac (Prime) ==

At SDCC announced two new figures for a character called Evac, from the Prime franchise, should we wait until he makes an appearance in the show to create his own article? --[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 20:58, 23 July 2011 (EDT)
:Remember, one doesn't have to appear in the show to get a toy. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:03, 23 July 2011 (EDT)
::I could have sworn that Evac was supposed to be a character for the new Transformers ride...[[Special:Contributions/98.209.73.178|98.209.73.178]] 21:28, 23 July 2011 (EDT)
:::He's not from Prime, correct. He's a new character created for the movie-based Transformers ride at Universal. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:23, 23 July 2011 (EDT)

== I need to tell you something. ==

Hi. There's something that I've been feeling a bit guilty about for a long time. You see, on a different account (which I will reveal the name of after you respond to make sure there are no hard feelings) I was quite rude. I was irrational, confused and upset. Afterwards, I left this site in guilt, and ashamed because I wasn't thinking rationally a few times while on my account. Do you think you can maybe accept my apology for my actions, because I feel like a horrible person for the silly things I brought up and got into. Would you please accept my apology? If you can't, well, that's okay too. If you don't get this, well, I just wanted to say I'm sorry for being such a horrible person on such a good website. :(
[[Special:Contributions/74.82.64.16|74.82.64.16]] 15:27, 28 July 2011 (EDT)

== Guilt ==

Sorry, I was thinking about my previous heading "I need to tell you something" and I reliezed that although I ment it in a kind way, I thought it's possible that you could believe that to mean that I had some cruel things to say, which I did not. The message is still the same though! If it means anything, I would like to say you can be sure nothing like that could happen again with me.
[[Special:Contributions/74.82.64.17|74.82.64.17]] 16:05, 28 July 2011 (EDT)
: I don't know who you are, but I guess we're all right. It's hard to refuse an apology from an anonymous dude. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:12, 29 July 2011 (EDT)

== Harrison Ford ==

Was it rude? Horrifying even? Why did you undo my edit? An external reference isn't to much to ask for. Is it? -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 19:39, 13 October 2011 (EDT)
: I addressed this on the talk page. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:55, 13 October 2011 (EDT)

== Files on user pages ==

I removed the images from my user page because of fair use, but nobody had removed them in the meantime because of this. So did I do right by taking them off or can I put them back? -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 19:46, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
: I don't really understand what you're asking. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:35, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
::Let's try this again. On another wiki I added a pic to [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Anythingspossibleforapossible&oldid=39022 my user page] and it was [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Anythingspossibleforapossible&action=history removed]. [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Thailog#Using files on your own user page This is the reply I got when I inquired further]. If you still don't understand I'll just put them back. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 18:11, 24 October 2011 (EDT)
:::Over here, you're allowed to upload one pic specifically for your userpage. On top of that, from what I gather, you can add other pics that already exist for article, but obviously don't go overboard. Hope that helps! --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:10, 24 October 2011 (EDT)
:::::Thank you. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 18:11, 24 October 2011 (EDT)

== I noticed the BotCon Europe 2002 talk page ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Selective_deletion]

Just being helpful. :) --[[User:Krafty|K-K-Krafty!]] 10:22, 11 November 2011 (EST)

== About the caption bastard template... ==

I do not understand why you added that (mean-spirited) template. It's only two captions, and if you looked at my contributions, you would have noticed that I added a lot of information. I thought captions were supposed to be a reward for all that work. Adding a twist on an overused joke is at least an attempt to make it fresh, rather than stating some variation of "this joke sucks now", which is ''just'' as overused as plainly using an overused joke. [[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] 19:41, 6 January 2012 (EST)
: I apologize for using the template. I was going to write a more personal note, but remembered we had the template, forgetting how sharply worded it was. You have not been a bad editor. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:42, 6 January 2012 (EST)

==A massive favour to ask==
Ive just started getting into your webcomics (im up to date on shortpacked and it wasnt until this morning i realised about you're earlier ones) but i have a huge favour to ask of you. I am currntly stuck with this stupid school laptop for a home computer which includes a school blocking system. While Shortpacked and Joyce and Walky sites are unaffected when i try to open dumbing of age it comes up with
[[Image:Examplepagetoshowwalky.jpg|left|500px|thumb|]]
Is there anyway you could perhaps email me copies of the files for each update + all the ones so far. I can understand if you say no but i though there was no harm in asking--[[User:Mrgalvaprime|Mrgalvaprime]] 06:15, 17 January 2012 (EST)
: I'm sorry, but I cannot email you all my comics. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:12, 1 March 2012 (EST)
Oh well, it was a long shot anyway--[[User:Mrgalvaprime|Mrgalvaprime]] 03:47, 30 May 2012 (EDT)
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== Prime toys ==

You wouldn't happen to know when exactly the ''Transformers: Prime'' toys are scheduled to be released, would you?[[Special:Contributions/71.255.172.244|71.255.172.244]] 19:59, 1 March 2012 (EST)
: Transformers toys that aren't the first wave of product for a blockbuster movie don't tend to have release dates. Stores will receive them and put them out at some point after that. So I have no date for you. However, I've seen them out at some stores here for weeks, so the answer is "some time in the past, perhaps now, perhaps not until the future." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:10, 1 March 2012 (EST)
I haven't seen any toys in the stores, but thanks anyway.[[Special:Contributions/71.255.172.244|71.255.172.244]] 21:44, 1 March 2012 (EST)

The other convention-exclusive pink Arcee figure, they are availible on the web. How would I be able to get it without getting lead into a scam. I was hoping you or someone on this wiki would know how I would be able to get that toy. I didn't go to the convention.[[Special:Contributions/71.162.106.122|71.162.106.122]] 19:24, 4 March 2012 (EST)
: http://www.hasbrotoyshop.com/transformers-prime-bumblebee-and-arcee-set?BR=496&ID=29273 --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:58, 5 March 2012 (EST)
::Wow! Only $29.99. Thanks.
:::On Ebay, it costs $80.00.

== what you said to me ==

i will make sure i learn more english when i go to school today
: Mostly I hope they teach you about capital letters and punctuation. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:02, 19 March 2012 (EDT)

It's kind of hard to do that all when you're using a wii like I am [[User:Jacktransformerdude|Jacktransformerdude]] 02:08, 19 March 2012 (EDT)
: If you're editing the wiki with something that makes it nigh-impossible to edit the wiki, you probably shouldn't edit the wiki. I've tried it on my cellphone before, and it's extremely difficult to get all of the various coding right, but if I can't edit the wiki correctly, I just don't edit the wiki. Leaving a bunch of stuff that has to be deleted or completely overhauled is worse than not contributing at all. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:54, 19 March 2012 (EDT)

== The Fallen/Megatronus Prime artwork ==

I wanted to have someone verify this before I uploaded it, but is [http://t4ak.roblox.com/daaf9f4eb9b33f115661eb4a7c849007 this] the concept art for the ''Aligned'' pre-Fallen version of Megatronus Prime, and if so is is usable? --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 15:23, 10 April 2012 (EDT)
: That's not exactly what we saw at Hasbro's panels. It's not in the same style. (It'd look more like the Aligned Prima art, which is way more painterly.) This looks like an artist's recreation from memory to me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:07, 10 April 2012 (EDT)
::Thanks, just what I needed to know. Off to search again. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 16:53, 11 April 2012 (EDT)
:::Pictures were not allowed of those guys. If you somehow manage to find one, we wouldn't be able to use it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:15, 11 April 2012 (EDT)
::::Gotcha. Thanks anyway. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 21:37, 17 April 2012 (EDT)

== Prime Hot Shot toy image ==

Not really sure why you replaced the photos that I already took for the toy with your own, (which are kind of faded, especially with the red) but whatever. Just kind of wondering why, though. Well, there go my efforts... :/ [[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] 23:19, 7 May 2012 (EDT)
: M Sipher overwrote my Kick-Over photos. It happens. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:33, 7 May 2012 (EDT)

== Reno Wilson ==

If I sound impatient, I'm sorry, but I've explained the reasoning behind my edit to the Mudflap controversy several times over, and nobody has disagreed with me. A couple users explained what it's supposed to mean, but it turns out that it's based on an incorrect assumption to begin with. Both times that I've I changed it, though, the edit has been reverted without an explanation. If this is about my spate of edits to my own comments, then I'm sorry, but I'm just editing a minor note to be more factually accurate and less obtusely "snarky". How can I get it to stick? - [[User:Caswin|Caswin]] 17:00, 13 May 2012 (EDT)
: "Nobody has disagreed with me" is a pretty bold complaint, considering everyone on that talk page disagrees with you. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:08, 13 May 2012 (EDT)
::In my defense, that's a recent development. Nobody ''had'' disagreed with me when I wrote that. If anyone can prove me wrong or show that this is a special case, I'll shut up right now. However, while I understand if it became personal at some point, I have to admit I don't see the point in defending the wording of one note so closely to begin with, at least not unless it's funnier than I thought. - [[User:Caswin|Caswin]] 18:12, 13 May 2012 (EDT)
:::"Prove me wrong" is a red herring. The entire discussion is a "Yeah-huh"/"Nuh-uh" dynamic. You didn't understand the joke. Everyone else did. There's nothing left to prove or discuss. Please, please, please move on to something else. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:31, 13 May 2012 (EDT)

==IDW==
Ok. Fine but can you edit Ratchet then if I do my edits too long because I've been on it for quite awhile. Ed

===IDW Whirl==
Hi there, I'm not sure how else to get in touch with you.
Please don't include speculative conclusions to the Wiki. All that was written in MTMTE #6 regarding Whirl is that he was at one point an instructor, and that he changed his names a few times. Until it has been confirmed that Whirl IS or is not Jetstream, please don't state as such. (apple pie)
: I don't think you grasp the difference between speculative conclusions and the Whirl/Jetstream deal. Don't mess with those pages again. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:03, 27 June 2012 (EDT)

===Nightracer Changes===
I got a note from you and am not sure the proper method for messaging or response to you, so I'll just say it here? You needn't have so drastically changed both entries for Nightracer. I deliberately created a new page for the cloned Nightracer so once more was known about both, they could both be altered accordingly. You seemed to edit both pages until they were to YOUR liking, rather than letting them evolve as needs be. Really, you created a lot of work for yourself, so please don't get upset and send me condescending messages when you could have simply fixed the new entry, and let me know how they work. It's not exactly easy to find instructions on how to "discuss" things, so assuming you know EXACTLY how everything should work and then talking down to a newer user doesn't really make you look very good.
: YOU needn't have so drastically changed Nightracer's entries. That is my problem. I am trying to revert. As a new user, when you make many many changes to a page, to the point of moving the page itself, without asking about it first, I don't think you have a lot of room to get mad at someone else changing it a whole bunch to put it mostly back the way it was. Next time, ask. Certainly, at least, until you have a better grasp of how the wiki organizes information. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:08, 7 September 2012 (EDT)

===Reverting All My Edits==
Okay, so maybe I should quit adding captions. But why do you keep undoing my major edits to character bio pages too? Okay, it shouldn't be an essay. But this is a Wikipedia, and it's the Transformers Wikipedia to boot; people come here for specific information. On Transformers.
[[User:Harley Quinn hyenaholic|Harley Quinn hyenaholic]] 10:49, 21 September 2012 (EDT)
: You are not adding specific information. You are saying in fifteen paragraphs what the page is already saying in three paragraphs. It is not only unnecessary, but makes the page worse. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:52, 21 September 2012 (EDT)

==Secretary joke==
:I have no problem with acknowledging Arcee's less intense role in HM (note: I have yet to see about half of HM, so as for HM context I hardly have anything to say), but I question what is the joke's target: The Headmasters's writing... or secretaries and Japanese people? It's not just that joke, it's that this wiki has a small web of jokes and remarks relating to Arcee's job change that go beyond fair critique and into, well, bigotry. I'm trying to imagine how the way the wiki trashes on Arcee's job change must read to someone who is a secretary. As the child of a (once) secretary, I do see it as an attack on the job itself. You can't really deny that - just look at the image description I've changed that felt the need to specify the job warrior with "brave" as if being a secretary means you can't be brave (if this is HM context, it fails to specify that). Airazor's page used to have the same problem in her writeup about her gender in Japan. This also makes the joke gendered, given the usual associations of who does which job contrasted with the idea which job deserves more appreciation. For the other element of the joke that bugs me, I invite a look at BW Blackarachnia's note section. There's one at best humorous, at worst neutral treatment of an absolutely disgusting post on Blackarachnia's design process. The next note about Blackarachnia in Japan is written with much more condemnation while failing to convince me I'm reading about something worse than the previous note. And then there's that eternal remark about Arcee in HM again that again fails to offer a proper and coherent story rather than inside-crowd cover-aggression. I could also talk about the 'joke' showing up on TFA Arcee's page, which is kinda bull considering TFA had a bad-to-horrendous treatment of most of its female cast, Arcee included, but that's not commented on. No, what is commented on is a lesser worse treatment of G1 Arcee decennia ago in that awful country known as Japan.
:That's why I want the joke changed. Not because the wiki shouldn't talk about the job change and sexist/gender stereotypical script motivations, but because I don't think a small cover-aggressive caption will be enough to do that without being sexist itself. And in the context of the entire wiki, because I feel critique on Japanese writing is handled considerably bolder than critique on American writing.
:All that said, I'm taking a step aside from the above to thank you for the Arcee captions you've added. They're a great addition to her article. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 07:09, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
::I've yet to be convinced that you can tell the difference between making fun of bigotry and bigotry itself. You seem to constantly believe one is the other, and suggest that just dealing with the subject directly is embracing it. To that I say bullshit, and that's stupid. You're not going to win that argument. Making fun of stupid Transformers crap is what this wiki does, and "historically bad treatment of female characters" is not magically exempt from that.
:: The way to fix this is not to dial back on the criticism of stupid crap. If there are things you think we should lampshade but we are not, by all means, fix that. Animated Arcee already has a caption on her page talking about how she's just a prop. I added one to G1 Arcee's page last night about her less-than-stellar introduction into IDW continuity. (Both those are English fictions, btw.)
:: The "In Japan, I'm a secretary!" is a caption that is as old as her page, and originally belonged to a screencap from her then-only appearance in which her leg had gotten blown off in the line of duty. I don't think it's appropriate for the stock image for which it has substituted and could stand to be changed to match the image better. But if you're going to level the pretty incendiary charge of "bigotry," I think you could at least meet that serious charge with the footwork to determine the source and context of the content you're leveling the claim at. Again, this is part of my concern that you assume the worst of others' intentions without first attempting to understand them. Is a caption "bigotry" when it merely survived an earlier version of the page from a time when Animated Arcee didn't have the history she does now? Or do you just like throwing that damn word around because it's easy? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:34, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
:::You know what I don't get? That I can't simply say "this caption makes me uncomfortable" and that that is enough reason to change it (I could also add to that "these captions have ''always'' made me uncomfortable but I've been too scared and confused to do something about most of them earlier"). Also I don't get why you keep making this as if I am attacking individuals. The only reason I contacted you and M Sipher is because you both returned something that makes me uncomfortable and rather than start an edit war with an admin or two because I'd like to get a few things done before ever getting banned, I'm trying to talk this over. Yes, I'm using words as "bigotry" and "sexism", because I don't think they're big words that should be reserved for the most extreme, clearly visible of cases. The moment it plays into a system (that makes the extreme cases possible), it qualifies. But I don't call ''anyone'' any of those words, because I don't believe these jokes/critiques are bad on their own, but bad in a system, and I don't hold anyone of this wiki responsible for that system. Why I don't look up histories of page jokes/remarks - I'm not interested in who put it there and the reasons for it aren't really important either. All I'm concerned about is what is there now and how it connects with other such comments all over the wiki. Individual excuses are just going to cloud the systematic problem's presence.
:::And believe me, it's ''not'' easy using those words, because they're words that are likely to cause unwarranted defensiveness that blocks out the entire function of those words of pointing out systematic problems. If I'd go for easy, I'd be ass-kissing my way into your good graces right now.
:::I hope you'll excuse me that I'll give a specific reply to "I've yet to be convinced that you can tell the difference between making fun of bigotry and bigotry itself. You seem to constantly believe one is the other, and suggest that just dealing with the subject directly is embracing it." (only). There's two things I know of that are important in this, and those are all needed: that ironic sexism ís a form of sexism and that femmephobia is a terrible way of 'battling' sexism. That indeed puts a number of jokes and remarks around here in the same vein of bad as what they try to criticize. Call it a 'belief' if you want to, I'll keep calling it 'What is Sexism 101'. And lastly, it's nonsense that a caption can 'deal with a subject directly'. Nearly all captions rely on background knowledge, but do not provide it themselves. That's why a number of them criticizing content fail. Notes and elaborate sections tend to provide better 'deal with a subject directly'-stuff, but they're rare.
:::The thing is that I'd love to rewrite/write about some of the problematic content and 'deal with the subject directly' but I sincerely doubt that it would be appreciated. There was, for example, the matter of Override Prime's Primehood about a year ago that did not go down well. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 17:36, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
::::The problem is that you have a definition of "femmephobia" that others do not share, and so your claims of it aren't getting any traction. I still can't comprehend how pointing out that Arcee's function in America is "Warrior" but her function in Japan is "Go-fer" is in any way being hateful of ladies. Hear me out: I in no way want to diminish your feelings on a topic that you have a inside take on. As a female, you will always have a better understanding of the experience, and as dudes the best we can do is listen and understand. However, the problem is ''you are just one female.'' You don't represent all of them. I've been doing webcomics about ladies and gay folks for forever, and if there's anything I've learned over and over again it's that nobody agrees on what's offensive or sexist or bigoted. I've gotten yelled for jokes being construed as insensitive by a minority, while simultaneously a bunch of other folks from that same minority saying that other guy or gal is wrong and it was fine. If commentary could be vetoed by one person who didn't like it, there wouldn't be any commentary ever. And so while your word carries more weight on this topic due to circumstance of birth, your word will not always be Final. It can't work that way.
::::You can make a plea for why that caption is dumb, and if others agree we can certainly yank it out, but other people can outvote you. This wiki is a collaborative project and no one person can veto the decisions of the community, lest I remind you that we don't have an all-encompassing Sideways page. Your best course of action is to find others who agree with you and get them involved here. I bet you that on this topic the wiki would be willing to listen to a vocal minority (that is, consisting of more than one person). --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:37, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
::::At any rate, I've asked around: http://itswalky.tumblr.com/post/32361010306/a-question-to-the-ladies-who-follow-me-so (I want to emphasize through this exercise that while I may not agree with your take, I do take it seriously.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:17, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::Oh, I am familiar with your work and the controversies it causes. If I recall correctly, it was one of your comics that introduced me to the term "ableism". Came in handy when the D-drama in the MLP: Friendship is Magic fandom started.
:::::I am also well-aware I am not the chosen representative of all of womanhood, nor did I present myself as such. I very much appreciate you asking others for their opinions, even though I didn't have to look to know what the general attitude would be. It's commendable you took the time to do this for me. Thank you.
:::::That said, you unintentionally brought up another possible 'both be happy'-solution for this matter that doesn't require too much change I think. I don't know much about Arcee's role in HM, as said already, but if her role is so small that her job can be described as "gofer", then all I request is that word to be used on the wiki instead of "secretary" for me to be, well, a lot more okay with the situation, and definitely the caption. Would that be possible (I accept 'no')? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 14:05, 27 September 2012 (EDT)
::::::"Go-fer" is fine. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:43, 27 September 2012 (EDT)

== Question ==
Alright, I probably seem like a little kid for asking this, but how do you think I did on the ''[[Transformers: Prime - The Game|Prime - The Game]]'' page? -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|Use this!]] 08:19, 31 October 2012 (EDT)

== "Home in" ==

I don't understand how the merriam link disagrees with jalaguy; it specifically gives "a missile honing in on its target — Bob Greene" as an example.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 16:01, 27 November 2012 (EST)
: Yes, it gives examples of usage, but then spends a whole paragraph belaboring how it shouldn't be used. The page defines it, but then tells you not to use it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:34, 27 November 2012 (EST)
:: I hadn't expected to start a mini-edit war with that note. Thanks for the support! [[User:JW|JW]] 10:35, 28 November 2012 (EST)

== Predacon bird ==

I Looked it up and can't find anything on the Predacon bird from Car Robots. Can you please tell me where I can find the picture of the Predacon bird?[[User:Transfan 1992|Transfan 1992]] 19:50, 9 December 2012 (EST)
: I seriously have no idea what the hell you are talking about. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:25, 10 December 2012 (EST)
::He seems to be talking about some random shot cut from an [[The Decepticons|RID episode]]... [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 20:29, 10 December 2012 (EST)
:::Then I am of no help. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:21, 11 December 2012 (EST)

== NOOOOO.jpg ==

: [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] has had [tfwiki.net/wiki/File:NOOOOO.jpg this] marked to be moved since May. No one's done so, so I'd like to see if I you'd approve of the move?--[[User:Spin-Out|Spin-Out]] 18:29, 27 July 2013 (EDT)

== Question. ==

EDIT-Thank you.[[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 17:06, 19 August 2013 (EDT)

== Apologies ==

Hey ItsWalky,

Just saw your message. Just got rid of the link. Sorry about that.

I didn't mean to break any rules, I just wanted to know what to do with the info.

--[[User:Dean3|Dean3]] 01:00, 17 September 2013 (EDT)

Wait until it airs? Which is why the Predacons Rising page is LOCKED? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:02, 17 September 2013 (EDT)

Will do. Thanks again for the info. Also, as a side note, that's an ''awesome'' profile image you've got on your page. Plus your art is awesome too; just checked your blog page. --[[User:Dean3|Dean3]] 02:48, 17 September 2013 (EDT)

== Possible Second Alt Mode.... ==

Does perceptor in fall of cybertron transform into a microscope?
[[User:Hyruk]]
: I dunno, maybe read [[Perceptor (Prime)|Perceptor]]'s page to find out. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:40, 1 November 2013 (EDT)

== Recordicons 16 ==

Are the guys in the background besides Injector meant to be anybody? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:23, 26 February 2014 (EST)
: The only other real background guy is Ravage. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 16:50, 26 February 2014 (EST)
: Though the robot in the extreme foreground is [[:File:Maccadams bartender marvel uk 82.jpg|this person]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 16:52, 26 February 2014 (EST)

== Dark Cybertron ==

Hi Walky,
Can I ask why exactly my edits to DC #11 are just NO? They're perfectly valid points;
1) Prowl did remove the head from Powlistator in RID, and seeing though he hated it, had no reason to fix it back onto himself. So the combined mode SHOULD have no head in that issue.
2) Brainstorm HAS been dead all this time, and as it was established all the way back in the -Ations, anybody who has can't die again. He should not have been affected by the kill switch.
Looking forward to finding out just WHY I am incorrect,
-Drift
:The Brainstorm thing will OBVIOUSLY be explained later. Like, super-obviously. It is not an error. It's what Roberts DOES. It's been planned for YEARS. And if the Prowl head actually belongs to Prowl, he sure doesn't seem to be missing any mass. I mean, that head must be made out of some parts of him, right? So it either belongs to one of the other Constructicons or the creation of the altmode kibble is magical -- in either case, it's not an error. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 15:12, 24 March 2014 (EDT)
:: I tweeted Roberts about it as soon as it came out. Normally when it's going to be explained in a few issues he sort of gives a sly wink nod tweet back, and he didn't say anything, making me think that for once he didn't think about that. Also, if you look, Prowl HAS lost mass between the first time Griffith drew him and the times he has in DC. Even if he hasn't that would be an artist error, which doesn't change to fact it HAS happened. Even if it did come from a Constructicon, they too haven't had the time to fix that either as they left Iacon, meaning they wouldn't have had time to have it re-attached and I doubt it would have been high up their priorities. I'd possibly give you Brainstorm, but I think you're wrong about Devastator.{{unsigned|Drift1998}}
::: If the Devastator head thing must be mentioned, I would put it in notes. I don't think it's an outright error in the way we classify errors. There's too many ways to explain it. And, yes, Prowl is drawn smaller now... by other artists, particularly Rojo, who draws EVERYONE kind of tiny and skinny. That isn't really what I meant by missing mass -- I meant missing parts of himself. I didn't mean he, y'know, lost weight.
::: And there's way too many conspicuous things going on with Brainstorm to call that an error. He's the only one who's shot before the Killswitch is flipped, and this same shot (again) conspicuously unlinks his briefcase from his arm. There is stuff afoot here. If it is mentioned on the page, it should not be as an error, but as... speculation? But we don't really do that, so no. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 16:06, 24 March 2014 (EDT)

The War to End All Wars, Part 4

2014-02-27T14:32:42Z

Blackrock:

{{Comicstory|
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|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[February 25]], [[2014]]
|coverdate=February 2014
|writer=[[Simon Furman]]
|breakdowns=[[Guido Guidi]]
|finishes=[[Stephen Baskerville]]
|colorist=[[John-Paul Bove]]
|letterer=[[Chris Mowry]]
|editor=[[John Barber]]
|continuity=[[Marvel Comics continuity]]
}}

'''As the final battle with Jhiaxus's second generation of Cybertronians reaches its end, trouble brews on multiple fronts back on Cybertron.'''

==Synopsis==

In [[Zero Space]], the void of nothingness at the end of all time, [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] finds himself imprisoned in energy bonds. A disembodied voice informs Spike that he embodies "the trinity"—[[human]], [[Nebulan]] and [[Transformer]]—which he will use to cross over into the [[multiverse]]. When Spike demands that the speaker reveal themselves, the voice claims it has many aspects, and lets Spike "choose" the form it will take; accordingly, the voice manifests in the form of Spike's deceased brother [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster]], and reminds guilt-ridden Spike that it was his inaction which led to Buster's death.

On the [[Hub (G2)|Hub Network]]'s Throneworld, [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] has [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Rodimus Prime]] brought before him, and once again petitions him to join his empire. Jhiaxus even offers to incorporate the [[Autobot]]s of Rodimus's choice—presently held captive in the Hub's "Corral"—into his forces, recreating them with new bodies, save those who have been modified with "external species innovations." The one-sided negotiations are soon interrupted by a panicked [[Rook (G2)|Rook]], who brings news of explosions within the Hub that are severing worlds from the network and destabilizing it—the work of the [[Wrecker]]s, moving between worlds via the interplanetary "slam tube" rail system. Jhiaxus orders Rodimus to stop them, killing four of the imprisoned Autobots in an attempt to force him, but Rodimus has no means of contacting the Wreckers, and knows that nothing short of death will stop them. Jhiaxus sends forces out to locate the Wreckers; the fleet's departure is observed by the restored [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and the possessed [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]], who decide to take some action of their own.

On [[Earth]], [[Linda Chang]] readies her troops while [[G.B. Blackrock]] tries to repair [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] following his calamitous clash with [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]. Linda needs Prime alive to tell them how to re-open the [[space bridge]], so she can rescue Spike... after which a barrage of missiles will close the portal for good!

Meanwhile, peculiar events are transpiring in the [[Demon]]s' ghetto on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], where the confused [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] watch as the primordial creatures seal themselves within some form of cocoons. This sight causes Grimlock to have a sudden realization—he has recently been controlled by something, and had his memories of the experience erased. The confused Dinobots try to get an explanation out of him, but he hurries off, leaving them only more puzzled by his references to "the dark" and "[[VsQs]]".

Elsewhere on the planet, some Autobot techs in the [[Star Chamber]] report to their superior officer on the lack of communication from both Earth and [[Nebulos]]. As they are working on the matter, [[Galvatron II|Galvatron]] suddenly enters the chamber and begins slaughtering them all, dark energy streaming from his eyes as he proclaims himself the ravager of worlds!

Back in the Hub, Jhiaxus's forces have caught up with the Wreckers in the slam tubes, and a firefight has erupted. The second-generation warriors' adaptive shielding is making things tough for the Wreckers, but the well-placed detonation of an atmos-field by the commandos takes out their opponents and severs another world from the Hub. Not far away, Shockwave is also getting in on the act, severing more worlds and defending himself by using his still-existing symbiotic connection with the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] to hold off attackers with the ship's weaponry. Growing increasingly furious at his faltering control of the situation, Jhiaxus has Rodimus escorted from his throneroom and prepares to enter the fray himself. Just before he takes off, however, he is confronted by Starscream, now fully consumed by the re-emergent power of the [[Underbase]]. Jhiaxus recognizes the force possessing Starscream as the four senator cohorts he turned upon in millennia past, who seek to complete themselves by absorbing Jhiaxus back into their communal mindscape. As the Underbase energies consume him, Jhiaxus screams for help, but Rook leaves him to his fate.

As the chaos rages outside, Rodimus overpowers his guards with ease, then quickly proceeds to the Corral to liberate his fellow Autobots. With enough damage having been done to the Hub to push it past the point of no return, everyone flees the disintegrating structure—with Shockwave even pausing to recover the unconscious Starscream, surprising himself with his compassionate act. The Hub Network at last collapses in a series of colossal explosions, but as Rodimus surveys the remains, he can only consider the victory a Pyrrhic one; after all, Jhiaxus was merely following the genetic imperative [[Primus]] placed in all his children to thwart chaos with order. And this is but the latest experience by Rodimus that suggests Primus's "grand plan" is not all that it appears...

...as back on Cybertron, the corrupted fragment of the [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]] bursts from a lake of [[energon]]!

==Featured characters==
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*[[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Rodimus Prime]] (5)
*[[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] (6)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Bumblebee]] (7)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] (8)
*[[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (9)
*[[Kup (G1)|Kup]] (10)
*[[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]] (11)
*[[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] (12)
*[[Rack'n'Ruin]] (13)
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*[[Topspin (G1)|Topspin]] (14)
*[[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] (15)
*[[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]] (16)
*Jhiaxus's 1st victim (18)
*Jhiaxus's 2nd victim (19)
*[[Crosshairs (G1)|Crosshairs]] (20)
*[[Brainstorm]] (21)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] (25)
*[[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] (27)
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*[[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] (28)
*[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] (29)
*[[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] (30)
*[[Slag (G1)|Slag]] (31)
*[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] (38)
*[[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]] (39)
*[[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] (40)
*[[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] (41)
*[[Kick-Off (G1)|Kick-Off]] (43)
{{!}}}
|c2=
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] (22)
*[[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]] (23)
*[[Galvatron II|Galvatron]] (33)
*[[Gutcruncher (G1)|Gutcruncher]] (42)
*[[Axer (G1)|Axer]] (44)
|c3=
*[[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Circuit Smasher]] (1)
*''[[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]]'' (2)
*[[Linda Chang]] (24)
*[[G.B. Blackrock]] (26)
|h4=Others|c4=
*[[Primus]] (3)
*[[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] (4)
*[[Rook (G2)|Rook]] (17)
*[[Demon]]s (32)
*[[Boltax (G1)|Boltax]] (34)
*[[Decanus]] (35)
*[[Tallus]] (36)
*[[Rokan]] (37)
*Dark [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] creature (45)
}}

==Quotes==

"Know what you call thirty enemy combatants on the wrong side of an atmos-field?" 
''KABOOM!'' 
"A good start."
:—With a dry cool wit like that, '''Roadbuster''' could be an action hero

"The... '''logical''' course of action would be to depart forthwith. But I feel strangely compelled... to remove Starscream from harm's way. Interrogative: Is this... '''emotion?'''"
:—'''Shockwave'''

==Notes==

===Continuity notes===
*Buster died during [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]]'s conquest of Earth, as shown in [[Less Than Zero|issue #0]].
*Grimlock refers to his encounter with the corrupted Creation Matrix on [[VsQs]] (here spelled with a hyphen), from [[Dark Creation|issue #65]] of the original Marvel run.
*To nobody's surprise, the force possessing Starscream turns out to the portion of the Underbase made up of the minds of Jhiaxus's four old cohorts seen in issue #0, Boltax, Decanus, and, getting named for the first time, Tallus and Rokan.

===Transformers references===
*Topspin invites the other Wreckers to "hold onto [their] [[beryllium baloney]]."

===Errors===
*As he is freed from his cell, Hardhead is missing his shoulder cannon. It might have been removed by Jhiaxus's men before they locked him up, of course, but then, Ultra Magnus still has his shoulder launchers.
*Jhiaxus states that he will be eliminating those Autobots with "external species innovations." One of the two recognizable victims he kills, Crosshairs, has an organic component (his Targetmaster partner [[Pinpointer (G1)|Pinpointer]]) that isn't a part of his body, making it unclear which innovation Jhiaxus objects to. (Pinpointer isn't shown on panel, nor was he ''ever'' shown in human form again after his initial appearances in the Marvel run.) The other victim, Brainstorm, had a new body built for him by Nebulans.

===Covers (3)===
*'''Cover A:''' The Underbase-possessed Starscream confronts Jhiaxus, by [[Andrew Wildman]] and [[Jason Cardy]]
*'''Cover B:''' Galvatron infused with dark Matrix energy, by [[Guido Guidi]]
*'''Cover RI:''' Shockwave lays the smack down, by [[Geoff Senior]] and [[Josh Burcham]]
<gallery>
File:RG1 99 cvrA.jpg|
File:RG1 99 cvrB.jpg|
File:RG1 99 cvrRI.jpg|
</gallery>

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{{DEFAULTSORT:War to End All Wars, Part 4}}

The War to End All Wars, Part 4

2014-02-27T07:25:04Z

Blackrock: /* Notes */

{{Comicstory|
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|next=The War to End All Wars, Part 5
|title="The War to End All Wars" Part 4
|image=RG1 99 cvrA.jpg
|caption=
|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[February 25]], [[2014]]
|coverdate=February 2014
|writer=[[Simon Furman]]
|breakdowns=[[Guido Guidi]]
|finishes=[[Stephen Baskerville]]
|colorist=[[John-Paul Bove]]
|letterer=[[Chris Mowry]]
|editor=[[John Barber]]
|continuity=[[Marvel Comics continuity]]
}}

'''As the final battle with Jhiaxus's second generation of Cybertronians reaches its end, trouble brews on multiple fronts back on Cybertron.'''

==Synopsis==

In [[Zero Space]], the void of nothingness at the end of all time, [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] finds himself imprisoned in energy bonds. A disembodied voice informs Spike that he embodies "the trinity"—[[human]], [[Nebulan]] and [[Transformer]]—which he will use to cross over into the [[multiverse]]. When Spike demands that the speaker reveal themselves, the voice claims it has many aspects, and lets Spike "choose" the form it will take; accordingly, the voice manifests in the form of Spike's deceased brother [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster]], and reminds guilt-ridden Spike that it was his inaction which led to Buster's death.

On the [[Hub (G2)|Hub Network]]'s Throneworld, [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] has [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Rodimus Prime]] brought before him, and once again petitions him to join his empire. Jhiaxus even offers to incorporate the [[Autobot]]s of Rodimus's choice—presently held captive in the Hub's "Corral"—into his forces, recreating them with new bodies, save those who have been modified with organic components. The one-sided negotiations are soon interrupted by a panicked [[Rook (G2)|Rook]], who brings news of explosions within the Hub that are severing worlds from the network and destabilizing it—the work of the [[Wrecker]]s, moving between worlds via the interplanetary "slam tube" rail system. Jhiaxus orders Rodimus to stop them, killing four of the imprisoned Autobots in an attempt to force him, but Rodimus has no means of contacting the Wreckers, and knows that nothing short of death will stop them. Jhiaxus sends forces out to locate the Wreckers; the fleet's departure is observed by the restored [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and the possessed [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]], who decide to take some action of their own.

On [[Earth]], [[Linda Chang]] readies her troops while [[G.B. Blackrock]] tries to repair [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] following his calamitous clash with [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]. Linda needs Prime alive to tell them how to re-open the [[space bridge]], so she can rescue Spike... after which a barrage of missiles will close the portal for good!

Meanwhile, peculiar events are transpiring in the [[Demon]]s' ghetto on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], where the confused [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] watch as the primordial creatures seal themselves within some form of cocoons. This sight causes Grimlock to have a sudden realization—he has recently been controlled by something, and had his memories of the experience erased. The confused Dinobots try to get an explanation out of him, but he hurries off, leaving them only more puzzled by his references to "the dark" and "[[VsQs]]".

Elsewhere on the planet, some Autobot techs in the [[Star Chamber]] report to their superior officer on the lack of communication from both Earth and [[Nebulos]]. As they are working on the matter, [[Galvatron II|Galvatron]] suddenly enters the chamber and begins slaughtering them all, dark energy streaming from his eyes as he proclaims himself the ravager of worlds!

Back in the Hub, Jhiaxus's forces have caught up with the Wreckers in the slam tubes, and a firefight has erupted. The second-generation warriors' adaptive shielding is making things tough for the Wreckers, but the well-placed detonation of an atmos-field by the commandos takes out their opponents and severs another world from the Hub. Not far away, Shockwave is also getting in on the act, severing more worlds and defending himself by using his still-existing symbiotic connection with the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] to hold off attackers with the ship's weaponry. Growing increasingly furious at his faltering control of the situation, Jhiaxus has Rodimus escorted from his throneroom and prepares to enter the fray himself. Just before he takes off, however, he is confronted by Starscream, now fully consumed by the re-emergent power of the [[Underbase]]. Jhiaxus recognizes the force possessing Starscream as the four senator cohorts he turned upon in millennia past, who seek to complete themselves by absorbing Jhiaxus back into their communal mindscape. As the Underbase energies consume him, Jhiaxus screams for help, but Rook leaves him to his fate.

As the chaos rages outside, Rodimus overpowers his guards with ease, then quickly proceeds to the Corral to liberate his fellow Autobots. With enough damage having been done to the Hub to push it past the point of no return, everyone flees the disintegrating structure—with Shockwave even pausing to recover the unconscious Starscream, surprising himself with his compassionate act. The Hub Network at last collapses in a series of colossal explosions, but as Rodimus surveys the remains, he can only consider the victory a Pyrrhic one; after all, Jhiaxus was merely following the genetic imperative [[Primus]] placed in all his children to thwart chaos with order. And this is but the latest experience by Rodimus that suggests Primus's "grand plan" is not all that it appears...

...as back on Cybertron, the corrupted fragment of the [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]] bursts from a lake of [[energon]]!

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
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{{{!}}border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="background:transparent"
{{!}}-
{{!}}style="background:transparent; border-right: 0px" valign="top"{{!}}
*[[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Rodimus Prime]] (5)
*[[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] (6)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Bumblebee]] (7)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] (8)
*[[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (9)
*[[Kup (G1)|Kup]] (10)
*[[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]] (11)
*[[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] (12)
*[[Rack'n'Ruin]] (13)
{{!}}style="background:transparent; border-right: 0px" valign="top"{{!}}
*[[Topspin (G1)|Topspin]] (14)
*[[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] (15)
*[[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]] (16)
*Jhiaxus's 1st victim (18)
*Jhiaxus's 2nd victim (19)
*[[Crosshairs (G1)|Crosshairs]] (20)
*[[Brainstorm]] (21)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] (25)
*[[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] (27)
{{!}}style="background:transparent; border-right: 0px" valign="top"{{!}}
*[[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] (28)
*[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] (29)
*[[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] (30)
*[[Slag (G1)|Slag]] (31)
*[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] (38)
*[[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]] (39)
*[[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] (40)
*[[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] (41)
*[[Kick-Off (G1)|Kick-Off]] (43)
{{!}}}
|c2=
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] (22)
*[[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]] (23)
*[[Galvatron II|Galvatron]] (33)
*[[Gutcruncher (G1)|Gutcruncher]] (42)
*[[Axer (G1)|Axer]] (44)
|c3=
*[[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Circuit Smasher]] (1)
*''[[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]]'' (2)
*[[Linda Chang]] (24)
*[[G.B. Blackrock]] (26)
|h4=Others|c4=
*[[Primus]] (3)
*[[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] (4)
*[[Rook (G2)|Rook]] (17)
*[[Demon]]s (32)
*[[Boltax (G1)|Boltax]] (34)
*[[Decanus]] (35)
*[[Tallus]] (36)
*[[Rokan]] (37)
*Dark [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] creature (45)
}}

==Quotes==

"Know what you call thirty enemy combatants on the wrong side of an atmos-field?" 
''KABOOM!'' 
"A good start."
:—With a dry cool wit like that, '''Roadbuster''' could be an action hero

"The... '''logical''' course of action would be to depart forthwith. But I feel strangely compelled... to remove Starscream from harm's way. Interrogative: Is this... '''emotion?'''"
:—'''Shockwave'''

==Notes==

===Continuity notes===
*Buster died during [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]]'s conquest of Earth, as shown in [[Less Than Zero|issue #0]].
*Grimlock refers to his encounter with the corrupted Creation Matrix on [[VsQs]] (here spelled with a hyphen), from [[Dark Creation|issue #65]] of the original Marvel run.
*To nobody's surprise, the force possessing Starscream turns out to the portion of the Underbase made up of the minds of Jhiaxus's four old cohorts seen in issue #0, Boltax, Decanus, and, getting named for the first time, Tallus and Rokan.

===Transformers references===
*Topspin invites the other Wreckers to "hold onto [their] [[beryllium baloney]]."

===Errors===
*As he is freed from his cell, Hardhead is missing his shoulder cannon. It might have been removed by Jhiaxus's men before they locked him up, of course, but then, Ultra Magnus still has his shoulder launchers.
*Jhiaxus states that he will be eliminating those Autobots with "external species innovations." One of the two recognizable victims he kills, Crosshairs, has an organic component (his Targetmaster partner [[Pinpointer (G1)|Pinpointer]]) that isn't a part of his body, making it unclear which innovation Jhiaxus objects to. (Pinpointer isn't shown on panel, nor was he ''ever'' shown in human form again after his initial appearances in the Marvel run.) The other victim, Brainstorm, had a new body built for him by Nebulans.

===Covers (3)===
*'''Cover A:''' The Underbase-possessed Starscream confronts Jhiaxus, by [[Andrew Wildman]] and [[Jason Cardy]]
*'''Cover B:''' Galvatron infused with dark Matrix energy, by [[Guido Guidi]]
*'''Cover RI:''' Shockwave lays the smack down, by [[Geoff Senior]] and [[Josh Burcham]]
<gallery>
File:RG1 99 cvrA.jpg|
File:RG1 99 cvrB.jpg|
File:RG1 99 cvrRI.jpg|
</gallery>

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*IDW: Getting Into Your Head for 15 Years (back cover)

{{DEFAULTSORT:War to End All Wars, Part 4}}

Revenge (disambiguation)

2014-02-22T05:33:07Z

Blackrock:

The name '''Revenge''' can refer to several different things:

{{disamb|y=1986|''[[Revenge (G1)|Revenge]]'', the [[Unicron]]-created [[Decepticon]] warship from [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]].}}
{{disamb|y=2009|"[[Revenge (Henkei)|Revenge]]", the tenth issue of the ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (Comic Bun Bun)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' manga.}}
{{disamb|y=2009|"[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Transformers: Revenge]]", the Japanese title for Revenge of the Fallen.}}
{{disamb|y=2010|''[[Revenge (Animated)|Revenge]]'', the [[Decepticon]] warship from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2013|"[[Revenge (All Spark)|Revenge]]", the fifth issue of the ''[[Transformers: All Spark]]'' manga.}}

{{disambig}}

Ore

2014-02-13T14:37:16Z

Blackrock:

{{disambig2|the ill-fated Autobot|Shockwave's various experimental ores|Regenesis}}
{{Factions|autobot}}
:''Ore is an [[Autobot]] [[Duobot]] from the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW portion]] of the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:Ore in the Generator.jpg|thumb|"With Lost Light Insurance, you can combine your life and your generator policies." "That's great, I JUST combined them!"]]

'''Ore''' is the blue [[Duobot]], although rarely seen independently from his partner [[Shock]], to the point that most other Autobots didn't bother remembering which was "the blue Duobot" and which was "the red one". Despite being damaged by the four-million year long Cybertronian civil war, he hasn't entirely lost hope and with the war over hopes to get a showy [[alternate mode]] and make friends with a formerly conscripted [[Decepticon]]. He has a drill in place of a left hand.

==Fiction==
===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
The Duobots survived through the war together, making it through the battle surrounding the warship ''[[Hell's Point]]'', surviving "the day it rained" on [[Babu Yar]], and escaping the [[Simanzi Massacre]], where they braved the [[Crucible]]. They also had a prankster streak, having welded [[Prowl (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Prowl's]] hands together for a gag once. Exactly how the uptight policebot reacted is unknown. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 3: The Chaos of Warm Things|The Chaos of Warm Things}}

Later, Prowl manipulated them into joining the crew of the ''[[Lost Light]]'' as a "favour", to plant a tracking device aboard for him. Ore struck up a conversation with [[Pipes (G1)|Pipes]] on the launchpad, but planned to bail with his fellow Duobot when they reached a likely planet. {{storylink|Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations}}

Unfortunately, while Ore was trying to place the tracker near the ship's [[quantum generator]], the engines activated. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 3: The Chaos of Warm Things|The Chaos of Warm Things}} In consequence, the blue Duobot was found by Brainstorm "totally mashed into the generator itself". {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 2: Hangers On‎|Hangers On}} Shock covered up Ore's connection to Prowl, only to be killed by a [[Sparkeater (creature)|Sparkeater]] soon after. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 3: The Chaos of Warm Things|The Chaos of Warm Things}} His body was left in the generator, where it later had its drill hand stolen by [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]]. {{storylink|Interiors}}

The "psychic scream" of a [[Metrotitan (body-type)|Metrotitan]] later restored him to life, though still firmly embedded in the generator, freaking out [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]]. Blinded and unaware of his exact condition — Swerve having been warned by [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] that panicking Ore could cause a random quantum jump — Ore had a long conversation with Swerve (whose voice he mistook for [[Pipes (G1)|Pipes]], slagging Swerve off in the process, leading the motormouth bot to pretend to be Pipes) on life, the war and the [[Afterspark]]. Ultimately, when the Metrotitan teleported away, Ore vanished from the engine block. Exactly what happened to him is unknown — Swerve believed [[Primus]] had intervened and sent him to the Afterspark, but the more practical [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] suggested that his revival had bound him to the Metrotitan and he had thus been teleported along with him. {{storylink|Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations}}

[[Category:Comic-only Transformers]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Autobots]]

Insecticon clone

2014-01-19T03:46:37Z

Blackrock: /* Notes */

{{factions|decepticon}}
:''Insecticon clones are a type of mass-produced [[drone]] from the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|cartoon]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[Image:QuestForSurvival Insecticon swarm.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Because ''Incest''icon clones would be too creepy.]]
The [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]]s have the ability to make '''clones''' of themselves (sometimes called '''Insecticlones'''<ref name="Hobby">[http://www.e-hobby.co.jp/cgi-bin/omc?port=33301&req=PRODUCT&ett=20071012060930400309000000 Japanese & English Insecticon "Clone Army" bios at e-hobby]</ref>) out of scrap metal.<ref>[[A Plague of Insecticons]]</ref> They have [[ability|abilities]] similar to those of the Insecticons themselves, but lack the intelligence and individual initiative needed to be effective without the guidance of the Insecticons. If the beams controlling them are interrupted, they will disintegrate.<ref name="Hobby" />

The Insecticon clones as known are:
*[[Salvo]]
*[[Shothole]]
*[[Zaptrap]]

{{TOCclear}}
==Fiction==
===''The Transformers'' cartoon===
On the island of [[Bali]], the Insecticons were feeding off of human farmland when confronted by [[Jetfire (G1)|Skyfire]], [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]], [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]], [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]], and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]]. Being outnumbered, the Insecticons created clones to defend themselves. [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]] destroyed a [[Wikipedia:Combine harvester|combine]] with an "insectishell". [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]] and [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]]<ref>The dialog suggests Shrapnel is alone creating the clones with "his" clone beams, but the animation shows clone beams coming from Kickback's antennae as well.</ref> then created clones from the resulting scrap metal using "electronic clone beams". With the clones, the Insecticons were now more than a match for the four Autobots who then fled into the cover of the crops.

Later, after the Insecticons teamed up with [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]], the Insecticons left their clones in the control of Megatron to help take over an oil refinery. The Insecticons themselves went to prevent the Autobots from following them. The Autobots arrived at the refinery anyway and there was a battle. The clones had Bumblebee and Spike surrounded when [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]] used his force field to interrupt Shrapnel's control beam. The clones crumbled. {{storylink|A Plague of Insecticons}}

The Insecticons teamed up with Megatron once again and created a vast number of new clones to serve as the Insecticon Army. The Insecticons and their clones feasted on farmland as a way to harvest energy which was then extracted from them using an [[Energon Transfer Device]]. The Insecticon Army was too powerful for the Autobots so [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] sent [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]], Bumblebee, and Spike to [[Floron III]] to pick up some [[robotic insecticide]]. On the way back, Cosmos was contaminated with [[Morphobot]] spores. When Cosmos returned to [[Earth]], he crashed and the spores rapidly spread an infestation of Morphobots to a valley. Megatron warned the Insecticons not to come near the valley because they were vulnerable to the robotic insecticide. The Insecticons reasoned that Megatron was lying to them to keep them away from some source of energy and went to the valley anyway.

Megatron had destroyed the robotic insecticide, but when the Insecticons saw the Morphobots they thought they would make a good source of energy and the entire Insecticon Army descended for what they thought would be a feast. The Morphobots feasted on the clones instead. Only the Insecticons themselves made it out alive. {{storylink|Quest for Survival}}

Under the command of Megatron, the Insecticons and some clones were eating a city. The [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] evacuated the city, allowing the Autobots to destroy all the clones. {{storylink|The Revenge of Bruticus}}

The [[Sweep]]s, being rebuilt from dead Insecticons, possess a limited form of the cloning ability, accounting for the limitless supply of them. {{storylink|The Transformers Menagerie}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
For unknown reasons, [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] sent Bombshell, Kickback and Shrapnel to Earth, where they set up a hidden base of operations in and around [[San Desto]], California. The long period of isolation and unique insectile alt modes didn't help their sanity much, and Bombshell began concocting even weirder experiments than normal. Using artificial growth pods, he managed to synthesize techno-organic clones of each of the "Insecticons" in their insect modes, and took over San Desto. A group of Autobots and [[Earth Defense Command]] operatives came to investigate, but rapidly found themselves outnumbered. {{storylink|Infestation (Dreamwave)|Infestation}}

It was bug-squashing time for the Autobots, as they wadded through dozens of Insecticlones looking for the real Bombshell. [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] uncovered the "nest" and torched the remaining techno-organic larvae before any more could be hatched, but there were still plenty of bugs to go around. Ultimately, it was the rookie named [[Bumper (G1)|Bumper]] who came up with the idea to send a disruptive pulse back through one of Bombshell's cerebro-shells, disrupting his control over ALL the drones at once. {{storylink|Extermination}}

===Descent into Evil===
In [[Beast Era|a future era]], [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]] sought to resurrect the latent Insecticon cloning capabilities in what was left of the former Insecticon clan. For this, he recruited [[Buzzclaw (G1)|Buzzclaw]] and [[Dirge (Timelines)|Dirge]] and extracted from them the genetic codes to make the [[Virulent Clone]]s. {{storylink|Virulent Clone|Virulent Clones' bio}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Insectron Clone Army''' (multi-pack, 2004)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''73, 74, 75''' (individuals), '''76''' (clones set)

:[[Salvo]], [[Shothole]], and [[Zaptrap]] are included in this [[e-HOBBY]] [[exclusive]] set. They are [[redeco]]s of the Insecticons Bombshell, Kickback, and Shrapnel.

==Notes==
* The ability to create clones in their own image is a trait given to the Insecticons by the cartoon. It therefore did not appear in the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel comics]], but has come to be a standard for the depiction of the Insecticons in later fiction. The [[IDW Publishing|IDW comics]] deviated the most with [[Insecticon swarm|their interpretation]] of the "Insecticon clones" as being failed attempts to create proper Insecticons.
* Both the [[e-HOBBY]] and the ''[[Descent into Evil]]'' bios state that cloning is an ability possessed by "Insecticons". Therefore, it is possible that the Deluxe Insecticons ([[Barrage (Insecticon)|Barrage]], [[Chop Shop]], [[Ransack (G1)|Ransack]], and [[Venom (G1)|Venom]]) are also capable of self-replicating. In case of the e-HOBBY bios, the Deluxe Insecticons might not have been meant to be included by virtue of them not existing in the Japanese version of Generation 1. On the other hand, e-Hobby occasionally referenced Western ''Transformers'' material, so...[[Personal canon|just take your pick]].

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:Clones]]
[[Category:E-Hobby]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Decepticons]]
[[Category:Generation 1 drones]]
[[Category:Insecticons]]
[[Category:Mass-produced Transformers]]

Insecticon clone

2014-01-19T03:44:39Z

Blackrock: /* The Transformers cartoon */

{{factions|decepticon}}
:''Insecticon clones are a type of mass-produced [[drone]] from the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|cartoon]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[Image:QuestForSurvival Insecticon swarm.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Because ''Incest''icon clones would be too creepy.]]
The [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]]s have the ability to make '''clones''' of themselves (sometimes called '''Insecticlones'''<ref name="Hobby">[http://www.e-hobby.co.jp/cgi-bin/omc?port=33301&req=PRODUCT&ett=20071012060930400309000000 Japanese & English Insecticon "Clone Army" bios at e-hobby]</ref>) out of scrap metal.<ref>[[A Plague of Insecticons]]</ref> They have [[ability|abilities]] similar to those of the Insecticons themselves, but lack the intelligence and individual initiative needed to be effective without the guidance of the Insecticons. If the beams controlling them are interrupted, they will disintegrate.<ref name="Hobby" />

The Insecticon clones as known are:
*[[Salvo]]
*[[Shothole]]
*[[Zaptrap]]

{{TOCclear}}
==Fiction==
===''The Transformers'' cartoon===
On the island of [[Bali]], the Insecticons were feeding off of human farmland when confronted by [[Jetfire (G1)|Skyfire]], [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]], [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]], [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]], and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]]. Being outnumbered, the Insecticons created clones to defend themselves. [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]] destroyed a [[Wikipedia:Combine harvester|combine]] with an "insectishell". [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]] and [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]]<ref>The dialog suggests Shrapnel is alone creating the clones with "his" clone beams, but the animation shows clone beams coming from Kickback's antennae as well.</ref> then created clones from the resulting scrap metal using "electronic clone beams". With the clones, the Insecticons were now more than a match for the four Autobots who then fled into the cover of the crops.

Later, after the Insecticons teamed up with [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]], the Insecticons left their clones in the control of Megatron to help take over an oil refinery. The Insecticons themselves went to prevent the Autobots from following them. The Autobots arrived at the refinery anyway and there was a battle. The clones had Bumblebee and Spike surrounded when [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]] used his force field to interrupt Shrapnel's control beam. The clones crumbled. {{storylink|A Plague of Insecticons}}

The Insecticons teamed up with Megatron once again and created a vast number of new clones to serve as the Insecticon Army. The Insecticons and their clones feasted on farmland as a way to harvest energy which was then extracted from them using an [[Energon Transfer Device]]. The Insecticon Army was too powerful for the Autobots so [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] sent [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]], Bumblebee, and Spike to [[Floron III]] to pick up some [[robotic insecticide]]. On the way back, Cosmos was contaminated with [[Morphobot]] spores. When Cosmos returned to [[Earth]], he crashed and the spores rapidly spread an infestation of Morphobots to a valley. Megatron warned the Insecticons not to come near the valley because they were vulnerable to the robotic insecticide. The Insecticons reasoned that Megatron was lying to them to keep them away from some source of energy and went to the valley anyway.

Megatron had destroyed the robotic insecticide, but when the Insecticons saw the Morphobots they thought they would make a good source of energy and the entire Insecticon Army descended for what they thought would be a feast. The Morphobots feasted on the clones instead. Only the Insecticons themselves made it out alive. {{storylink|Quest for Survival}}

Under the command of Megatron, the Insecticons and some clones were eating a city. The [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] evacuated the city, allowing the Autobots to destroy all the clones. {{storylink|The Revenge of Bruticus}}

The [[Sweep]]s, being rebuilt from dead Insecticons, possess a limited form of the cloning ability, accounting for the limitless supply of them. {{storylink|The Transformers Menagerie}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
For unknown reasons, [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] sent Bombshell, Kickback and Shrapnel to Earth, where they set up a hidden base of operations in and around [[San Desto]], California. The long period of isolation and unique insectile alt modes didn't help their sanity much, and Bombshell began concocting even weirder experiments than normal. Using artificial growth pods, he managed to synthesize techno-organic clones of each of the "Insecticons" in their insect modes, and took over San Desto. A group of Autobots and [[Earth Defense Command]] operatives came to investigate, but rapidly found themselves outnumbered. {{storylink|Infestation (Dreamwave)|Infestation}}

It was bug-squashing time for the Autobots, as they wadded through dozens of Insecticlones looking for the real Bombshell. [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] uncovered the "nest" and torched the remaining techno-organic larvae before any more could be hatched, but there were still plenty of bugs to go around. Ultimately, it was the rookie named [[Bumper (G1)|Bumper]] who came up with the idea to send a disruptive pulse back through one of Bombshell's cerebro-shells, disrupting his control over ALL the drones at once. {{storylink|Extermination}}

===Descent into Evil===
In [[Beast Era|a future era]], [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]] sought to resurrect the latent Insecticon cloning capabilities in what was left of the former Insecticon clan. For this, he recruited [[Buzzclaw (G1)|Buzzclaw]] and [[Dirge (Timelines)|Dirge]] and extracted from them the genetic codes to make the [[Virulent Clone]]s. {{storylink|Virulent Clone|Virulent Clones' bio}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Insectron Clone Army''' (multi-pack, 2004)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''73, 74, 75''' (individuals), '''76''' (clones set)

:[[Salvo]], [[Shothole]], and [[Zaptrap]] are included in this [[e-HOBBY]] [[exclusive]] set. They are [[redeco]]s of the Insecticons Bombshell, Kickback, and Shrapnel.

==Notes==
* The ability to create clones in their own image is a trait given to the Insecticons by the cartoon. It therefore did not appear in the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel comics]], but has come to be a standard for the depiction of the Insecticons in later fiction. The [[IDW Publishing|IDW comics]] deviated the most with [[Insecticon swarm|their interpretation]] of the "Insecticon clones" as being failed attempts to create proper Insecticons.
* Both the [[e-HOBBY]] and the ''[[Descent into Evil]]'' bios state that cloning is an ability possessed by "Insecticons". Therefore, it is possible that the Deluxe Insecticons ([[Barrage (Insecticon)|Barrage]], [[Chop Shop]], [[Ransack (G1)|Ransack]], and [[Venom (G1)|Venom]]) are also capable of self-replicating. In case of the e-HOBBY bios, the Deluxe Insecticons might not have been meant to be included by virtue of them not existing in the Japanese version of Generation 1. On the other hand, e-Hobby occasionally referenced Western ''Transformers'' material, so...[[Personal canon|just take your pick]].
* A [[Fanon|theory of the fandom]] to explain the steady numbers of the cannonfodder known as the [[Sweep]]s (and to a lesser extent, the [[Cyclonus's Armada|Armada]]) is that they can be restored the same way Insecticon clones can, since the Insecticons ([[Authorial intent|possibly]]) were among the Decepticons recycled by [[Unicron]].

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:Clones]]
[[Category:E-Hobby]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Decepticons]]
[[Category:Generation 1 drones]]
[[Category:Insecticons]]
[[Category:Mass-produced Transformers]]

Fanon

2014-01-19T03:43:27Z

Blackrock: /* Examples */

'''Fanon''' is a portmanteau word comprised out of the words "[[fandom|fan]]" and "[[canon]]". It refers to so-called "facts" that a significant number of fans think are true, but for which there is no evidence in any official material. A piece of fanon usually becomes widespread due to having been discussed and picked up by other fans. Some fanon is based on misinterpretations of canon (especially when translations from Japanese material are involved) and some is simply stuff fans made up. While fanon originates with fans rather than the official canon of the Transformers [[Continuity|multiverse]], it sometimes becomes incorporated into the canon via [[retcon]] or other means if a writer decides to establish the fans' interpretation in official fiction. Sometimes, this can also happen because an official writer mistakes fanon for established canon.

Misuse of the term has broadened the word's definition (among some) to include fan-characters and fan-fiction. (See "Transfanon Wiki" link below.) The difference is that fan-fiction is an ''extension'' built upon canon, while fanon is an ''interpretation'' or ''explanation'' of existing canon.

==Examples==
Fanon terms or ideas that later became canon:
* "Gestalt" as a term for [[Combiner|combiners]]
* The name of the Predacon ship being the [[Darksyde|''Darkside'' or ''Darksyde'']].
* The [[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|''Armada'' beast redecoes]] being [[Unicron's Four Horsemen|Unicron's "horsemen"]].
* "[[Herald of Unicron]]"
* [[Subspace storage pocket|Subspace]] as an interdimensional storage medium
* [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] is crazy and craves [[JaAm|jam]]
* U-Haul Robot from the cartoon is [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]].
* The large number of [[Sweep]]s are due to them possessing [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]] [[Insecticon clone|cloning abilities]].

Fanon terms or ideas that never became canon:
* [[Dion]] having been rebuilt into somebody "important"
* [[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]] being a "[[zombie]]" [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], or [[cloning|cloned]] from a severed leg.

==Fanon and this wiki==
{{SITENAME SHORT}} generally tries to avoid including fanon, until it becomes so widespread that excluding it is quixotic. Even then, however, fanon should be clearly identified as such. The best way to reference fanon in articles without interrupting the coverage of actual canon is to confine it to trivia notes sections (or, if ''really'' necessary, clearly marked notes within a paragraph.)

==External links==
*[http://transfanon.wikia.com/ The Transfanon Wiki]

{{stub}}

[[Category:Fandom]]

Sweep (G1)

2014-01-19T03:39:29Z

Blackrock: /* The Transformers cartoon */

{{factions|decepticon|unicron}}
{{picsneeded|And no, we will not accept pictures that are actually Scourge!}}
{{disambig2|the 1986 Decepticon|the 2003 Mini-con known as "Sweep" in Japan|Run-Over}}
:''Sweeps are [[Decepticon]]s from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:TVM0287Sweeps.jpg|thumb|350px|Noticeably not involved in a heart-warming musical number with Dick van Dyke and Julie Andrews.]]

'''Sweeps''' are the minions of [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] created by [[Unicron]]. Sweeps are visually indistinguishable from Scourge himself, although Sweeps do not necessarily have identical voices. Although only a few are seen initially during Unicron's threat, there appears to be an inexhaustible supply of them later on. That's actually a good thing, as [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] tends to shoot them.

Like, all the time.

Only three Sweeps have been graced with defined personalities and identifiers, namely Sweeps [[Sweep Two|Two]], [[Sweep Six|Six]] and [[Sweep Seven|Seven]].

{{quote|Dumb Sweep.|[[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] calling the kettle black|"[[Webworld]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Jack Angel]], [[Dick Gautier]], [[Jerry Houser]], [[Aron Kincaid]], [[Chris Latta]], [[Hal Rayle]], [[Frank Welker]] (English), [[Yoku Shioya]] (Japanese)|[[Holger Schwiers]], [[Reinhard Brock]], [[Imo Heite]], [[Hans-Rainer Müller]], [[Ulrich Bernsdorff]], [[Gerhard Acktun]], [[Bernd Simon]], [[Gernot Duda]], [[Thomas Rau]], [[Gerd Wiedenhofen]] (German)}}

Two Sweeps were created by Unicron from the fallen Decepticons [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]] and [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]], though seconds later there were suddenly more of them. They soon followed [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] to [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]], where one Sweep was destroyed by the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]]' [[fire-breath]]. The [[Autobot]]s fled the city, but Galvatron's troops followed suit, and the Sweeps killed [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] on the [[Junkion (planet)|planet of Junk]]. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}

{{note|One of the great continuity problems within the G1 animated series concerns the minions of Unicron. Namely, Cyclonus, Scourge, and the Sweeps. The issue stems from the original script never specifying which Decepticons were thrown off Astrotrain and remade into Galvatron’s followers essentially rendering them [[generic]]s. As the third season episodes were most likely made using the script and not the as-yet-unfinished film, the Insecticons regularly reappeared in later episodes as well as later on in the movie itself. Much scuttlebutt has been made about who has been turned into whom, but ultimately, it falls on the viewer to decide who were the genuine article and who were Decepticons that simply looked like these characters.}}

[[File:FFOD3 Sweeps.JPG|left|280px|thumb|A rare moment of not being shot by Galvatron.]]

After Galvatron's defeat at the hands of [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Rodimus Prime]], the Sweeps followed Scourge and [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] in their search for him. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1}} They eventually discovered him on the planet of [[Thrull]], only to be attacked by their crazed leader. Galvatron sent every single Sweep crashing into the planet's plasma pits, and the only one that fought back did no damage whatsoever to his leader. They all survived, though, and followed Galvatron's commands after he regained his senses (kind of). {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 2}}

One of them got shot in the face by [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]], and promptly crashed into a storm on the surface of [[Jupiter]], screaming all the way down. As this Sweep died an agonizing death, the last thing he likely heard was his own commander calling him a big baby. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 3}} Next, Galvatron led the Sweeps to the planet [[Goo 8739B|Goo]] and ordered them to fire on all Decepticons who were following the [[Quintesson]]s instead of him. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}} After Galvatron joined forces with the Quintessons, the Sweeps participated in an all-out attack on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. [[Slingshot (G1)|Slingshot]] sent one of them spinning out of control, causing a bunch of them to crash into each other (and Cyclonus). {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}}

[[File:StarscreamsGhost Sweeps.jpg|250px|thumb|"They're mongrels. No spots! No spots at all!"]]
Some Sweeps were part of the Decepticon armada that pursued an Autobot ship. They pursued the ship to an [[Autobot Mausoleum]], where they were fought off by the resurrected [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|Dark Awakening}} Much later, three Sweeps hunted the Decepticon exile [[Octane]] alongside Scourge and Cyclonus, and cornered him in a [[Decepticon Crypt|crypt]] on Cybertron. When Scourge ordered the Sweeps to enter the crypt, all three cowardly refused to be the first one in, until Cyclonus got fed up with it and offered to fight whoever was the last one in. The Sweeps were suddenly very quick on their feet after that. {{storylink|Starscream's Ghost}}

Cyclonus and Scourge were accompanied by some Sweeps when they followed [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel Witwicky]] and [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] to a [[Lost Cybertronian Storage Asteroid|storage asteroid]]. Ultra Magnus turned up to rescue Daniel, and made short work of the Sweeps. {{storylink|Surprise Party}} Scourge was later possessed by the ghost of [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]], and the Sweeps briefly fell under the command of Cyclonus. {{storylink|Ghost in the Machine (episode)|Ghost in the Machine}}

[[File:Webworld Sweeps.jpg|thumb|left|230px|Don't be fooled by the dynamic camera shot, they get beaten up shortly.]]
More Sweeps were unfortunately enough to be with Galvatron during a battle over [[isidrite]], and were bashed around by their leader nearly as much as by the Autobots. {{storylink|Webworld}} Cyclonus was accompanied by a number of Sweeps as he investigated strange activity on Junk. Once the [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]]s had been fried from the influence of the Quintessons, they sent Cyclonus and hsi men packing. {{storylink|The Big Broadcast of 2006 (episode)|The Big Broadcast of 2006}} They later helped Galvatron temporarily take possession of a [[Quintesson Journal]], at least until the Quintessons themselves arrived and took it back. {{storylink|The Quintesson Journal}}

A number of Sweeps later followed Galvatron when he was tricked by the [[Quintesson]]s into releasing the dangerous [[Trans-Organic]]s sealed beneath Cybertron's surface. They didn't fare too well against the monsters, and even worse against the one known as the "[[Dweller]]". As Galvatron fled from the beast, he threw the remaining Sweeps at its horde of [[energy vampire]]s in order to slow them down. The Sweeps all became energy vampires themselves, but were later cured by a massive power surge. {{storylink|The Dweller in the Depths}}

During a battle with the Autobots on the [[Moon (moon)|moon]], "Sweeps [[Sweep Six|Six]] and [[Sweep Seven|Seven]]" made an attack run on the enemy position. This is the only known occasion when the Sweeps received any form of individual identification. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}} The Sweeps took part in a couple of attacks on [[Japan]], but were beaten back by the Autobots both times. {{storylink|The Burden Hardest to Bear}} When the madness-inducing [[Hate Plague]] spread throughout the universe, the Sweeps were among its numerous victims. At least one of them was shot down by Galvatron as they chased him across [[Chaar]]. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2}}

After the great war, Perceptor noted that the Sweeps possess a limited form of the Insecticon cloning ability, thus accounting for the seemingly limitless number observed. {{storylink|The Transformers Menagerie}}

====''The Headmasters'' cartoon====
[[File:HM6 Galvatron, Scourge and Sweeps.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The one on the right is actually Scourge.]]
Peeking their heads out to see if Galvatron was still kill-crazy, two Sweeps joined Scourge in sabotaging Autobot rescue operations after [[Metamorphose]] twisted the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbot]]s into a mess. {{storylink|Approach of the Demon Meteorite}} Several Sweeps were also seen on the [[Moon (moon)|moon]] during [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s grand declaration of leadership. {{storylink|Return of the Immortal Emperor}}
{{--}}

====''Wings Universe''====
Cyclonus, Scourge, and his Sweeps surrounded an [[Autobot shuttle]] during a surprise attack. They temporarily lost track of the shuttle when it disappeared into a nebula, but eventually found it again and blasted their way into it. Unfortunately, what they found inside was five ''very'' angry [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], who promptly tore the Sweeps apart. {{storylink|Wings of Honor}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
The Sweeps were created by Unicron to be a pack of hunters for the sole purpose of hunting Autobots and their human allies. Their leader is Scourge. {{storylink|The Transformers Universe|Scourge's ''Universe'' profile}}

===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
[[File:GIJoeVsTFII3 Sweeps.jpg|thumb|left|250px]]
In a dystopian future where the Decepticons had conquered Earth, Sweeps patrolled the ruins of [[New York City]]. They discovered a group of time-displaced [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joes]] and [[Cobra]] members, but were taken out by the [[Dreadnok]]s. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 3|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II #3}} Some time after that timeline was averted via [[time travel]], the Sweeps were seen among [[Serpentor|Serpent O.R.]]'s forces on Cybertron, fighting back against a combined Autobot/[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] strike force. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 5|The Art of War #5}}
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===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
On [[Gorlam Prime]], [[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]] tossed the dying [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] into a [[solar pool]] and using the power of the [[Darkness (G1)|Heart of Darkness]], brought him back to full strength. The pool, which also contained the remains of denizens from the [[Dead Universe]], reformatted the bodies into clones of Scourge, who would be their master. Galvatron was incensed that the Sweeps were not created in ''his'' image. Scourge, his Sweeps and [[Cyclonus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Cyclonus]] then began to aid Galvatron on his new quest. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 14|All Hail Megatron #14}} Their first mission was to scour Gorlam Prime for its inhabitants, who had disappeared without a trace. While Galvatron, Scourge and Cyclonus went underground and found [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]], the Sweeps were apparently all busy searching other parts of the planet. {{storylink|Heart of Darkness issue 1|Heart of Darkness #1}}

The Sweeps accompanied Galvatron as he traveled the galaxy raising the dead to form an army with which to oppose [[D-Void]]. Among the many planets they visited was [[Spindrift]]. {{storylink|Heart of Darkness issue 3|Heart of Darkness #3}} They were present when Galvatron fought [[Nova Prime|Nemesis Prime]] on the planet [[Dykayra]], and several of them were killed when Scourge ordered them to attack the D-Void-powered menace. {{storylink|Heart of Darkness issue 4|Heart of Darkness #4}} Over time, members of Galvatron's undead army were gradually turned into additional Sweeps until the army consisted of nothing but identical soldiers, a change likely brought about by the Heart of Darkness. {{storylink|A Better Tomorrow}}

In a universe where a [[zombie]] virus collectively called [[Undermind]] was attempting to spread to other universes, four portals opened that depicted scenes from four separate universes. In one of these portals, an infected Sweep or two was seen amongst zombified robots and humans. {{storylink|Infestation issue 1|Infestation #1}} The infection had occurred when Galvatron's ship encountered a space-time anomaly on its way to [[Earth]]. He ordered three Sweeps to retrieve a frozen chunk of wreckage that had been flung from the anomaly, but when it was brought on board, zombie humans and robots erupted from it, infecting the three Sweeps. Eventually, the ship crash-landed on Earth, where the infected Sweeps scattered through [[Las Vegas]]. {{storylink|The Transformers: Infestation issue 1|The Transformers: Infestation #1}}

After the zombie threat had been dealt with, Galvatron took his army with him to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], their first line of defense against D-Void. As the Sweeps were sent out to scout the planet, one of them discovered [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus]] and [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]]. Noting that they were [[Slingshot (weapon)|armed]], he broke Galvatron's orders by engaging the Autobots, and was subsequently shot down by Wheelie. Galvatron used the Darkness to heal the Sweep's injuries and scolded him, telling him that all Transformers needed to work together. The other Sweeps then tried and failed to stop Rodimus's starship from leaving Cybertron. {{storylink|Heart of Darkness issue 4|Heart of Darkness #4}} {{storylink|Space Opera Act 2: Out of the Silent Planet}}

Under the command of Cyclonus, a large number of Sweeps invaded [[Kimia Facility]] in order to take control of it for Galvatron's use. Their numbers easily overwhelmed the Autobot defenders, and some of them were even seen ''eating'' their enemies. Meanwhile, [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]] arrived on Cybertron but refused to join Galvatron's army, and several Sweeps were sent to destroy him and his landing party. They were all killed, and [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] used one of the corpses to clobber Galvatron. {{storylink|Chaos Part One: Lamentations}} While a number of Sweeps defended Kimia from aerial Autobot forces, most stayed behind with Galvatron until Wheelie tried to snipe him only to kill a Sweep instead. An enraged Galvatron sent his entire Sweep army at him and [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]], who in turn called for reinforcements, leading to a large-scale battle between the Sweeps and Optimus Prime's troops. Wheelie and Cliffjumper were almost overrun, but were suddenly saved by [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]]. {{storylink|Chaos Part Two: Numbers}}

Megatron, heavily upgraded and very unhappy, took on hundreds and hundreds of Sweeps on his own with little trouble. Together with Megatron's Decepticon forces, the entire Sweep army then came under the influence of D-Void, causing them to combine into an enormous monster. {{storylink|Chaos Part Three: Kings}} Megatron challenged this "[[Deceptigod]]", blowing huge chunks of Sweeps off its body with his blasts and ultimately defeating it. When Galvatron gave up the Heart of Darkness and D-Void began to enter the universe, the Sweeps began disintegrating and returned to being dead. {{storylink|Chaos Part Four: Genesis}}

After Galvatron was defeated and Cybertron was "reset" into a primordial state, Sweep corpses could be found littering the planet. {{storylink|Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime|The Death of Optimus Prime}} The less-than-balanced [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] used some of them as stress relief, mutilating the dead bodies and stringing them up on walls. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 1: How to Say Goodbye and Mean It|How to Say Goodbye and Mean It}} Later, [[Sky-Byte (G2)|Sky-Byte]] found some of them and was reminded of someone he once knew. {{storylink|A Better Tomorrow}} Megatron was carrying several Sweep heads when he reemerged months after his battle with them. {{storylink|City on Fire}}

==Toys==
===Timelines===
[[File:Timelinestoy-SweepsWoH.jpg|thumb|300px|Why are all the armybuilding versions of this mold rare exclusives?]]
*'''Sweeps''' (multipack, 2009)
**''Accessories:'' Six wings/blades (left and right), three yellow [[Planet X (Cybertron)|Planet X]]-style [[Cyber Key]]s

: Sweeps [[Sweep Two#Toys|Two]], [[Sweep Six#Toys|Six]] and [[Sweep Seven#Toys|Seven]] came in an [[exclusive]] three-pack at [[BotCon 2009]], all three being identical [[redeco]]s of the ''Timelines'' [[Scourge (G1)#Timelines|Scourge]] toy available at the same convention. The mold is a [[retool]] of ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'' [[Sideways (RID)#Cybertron|Sideways]] with a new head, transforming into a teal and white alien spacefighter with yellow detailing. The Sweeps are armed with "battle shields" with Cyber Key-activated pop-out blades. Their wings can also detach from their ankles and also be used as blades, with both [[5mm post|pegging]] into their hands, either with one blade in each hand, or with both blades pegging into the top and bottom of a single hand, forming a double-bladed weapon. They come with three yellow Planet X-style Cyber Keys with teal deco.

: The Sweeps were later repurposed as ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Scourge (SG)|Scourge]]. The original version of this mold was also used for the Japanese DVD-exclusive [[Noisemaze Mass Production Type Version#Galaxy Force|Noisemaze Mass Production Type Version]] and ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Ratbat (G1)#Universe (2008)|Ratbat]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/BCSweeps/sweeps.htm More information on Sweeps at TFU.info]''
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==Notes==
[[File:Scourge and Sweeps.jpg|thumb|300px|Imaginaaaaation-land!]]
* While there have been no ''official'' toys of the Sweeps that were mass-released, and no official toys ''at all'' prior to 2009, anyone interested in [[army-building|building a Sweep army]] is not without options! As the Sweeps are physically identical to Scourge, an enterprising fan, like the one who created the scene pictured at right, can purchase multiples of Scourge's original 1986 toy, his [[Titanium Series]] figure or his [[Scourge (G1)#Generations|2011 Generations toy]], and make pretend.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Sweeps''' (スウィープス ''Suīpusu'')
*''Italian:'' '''Incrociatori'''

[[Category:Decepticon subgroups]]
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[[Category:Wings Universe Decepticons]]
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The Transformers Menagerie

2014-01-19T03:31:31Z

Blackrock: /* Installments */

'''The Transformers Menagerie''' is a column in the [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)|Collectors' Club magazine]] starting from [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 49|issue 49]]. It promises to trace the evolution of [[Primitive]]s throughout the years, and is presented as a series of in-universe essays by [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]].

==Installments==
*{{anchor|Part1}}'''Part 1: Cassette Technology''' — The creation of [[Cryo-Condor]]s [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] and [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]] and [[Cougaraider]] [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] as [[Decepticon Mini-Cassette|Recordicons]]. Also the later creation of [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] and the [[Autobot]]s' [[Autobot Mini-Cassette|Recordabots]]. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 49|Part 1}}
*{{anchor|Part1}}'''Part 2: The Dinobots''' — the creation of the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] and the implications for the future of the Transformer race. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 50|Part 2}}
*{{anchor|Part3}}'''Part 3: The Insecticons''' — how the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]]s came to be, and their many abilities. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 51|Part 3}}
*{{anchor|Part4}}'''Part 4: The Terrorcons''' — The unclear origins of the [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcon]]s, and their ability to combine into [[Abominus (G1)|Abominus]]. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 53|Part 4}}
*{{anchor|Part5}}'''Part 5: The Predacons''' — The influence of the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacon]]s on the [[Predacon (BW)|future evolution]] of the Cybertronian race. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 54|Part 5}}

{{stub}}

[[Category:Reference texts]]

Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 54

2014-01-19T03:26:06Z

Blackrock:

{{comicstory|seriesissue=[[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club]] #54
|prev=Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 53
|next=Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 55
|image=Htcc-54.jpg
|caption=
|publisher=[[Fun Publications|Fun Publications]]
|date=mid December October
|coverdate=Dec/Jan 14
|editorinchief=[[Brian Savage]]
|editor=[[Pete Sinclair]]
|creative director=[[Lanny Lathem]]
|associate editor=[[Jesse Wittenrich]]
|research editor=[[Karl Hartman]]
|mtmte profiles=[[Evan Gauntt]]
|proofreaders=[[Heather Choplin]], [[Jeremiah McNatt]]
|contributors=[[David Willis]] [[Greg Black]] [[Jim Sorenson]] [[Bill Forster|Bill Forrester]] [[Derrick J. Wyatt]] [[Trent Troop|S. Trent Troop]] [[Greg Sepelak]] [[Richard Chang]] [[Ben Yee|Benson Yee]]
}}

'''Rattrap!'''

==Contents==
* On the cover: ''Generations'' Rattrap
* Brian's Bytes and Bolts, From the Editor's Desk (inside cover)
* Remembering the Raging Beast - A Transformers Prime Interview (p. 3 and 13)
* [[The Transformers Menagerie]], Part 5: The Predacons (p. 4-5)
* Transformers 2014 Preview: Rattrap, Tankor, and Crosscut
* "[[Shattered Destiny]]" - comic story (pp. 7-12)
* Profile: [[Rhinox (TransTech)|Rhinox]] (p. 14)
* Profile: [[God Neptune (BWSG)|God Neptune]] (p. 15)
* [[Transformers I.Q.]] trivia, ''[[Recordicons]]'', Transformers I.Q. Trivia Bonus (p. 16)

==Notes==
* Bill Forster's last name is suddenly "Forrester."
* some idiot put a hyphen in Batbot's name

[[Category:Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issues]]

Emiliano Santalucia

2014-01-13T18:11:39Z

Blackrock: /* Book art */

'''Emiliano Santalucia''' is an Italian comic book artist. Santalucia did his first professional work for Star Comics and Play Press in 1988-89. A big fan of ''Masters of the Universe'', in 2002 he scored the job to illustrate Image Comics' ''Masters of the Universe'' comic, based upon Mattel's relaunched cartoon series and toyline. He has also worked on [[Devil's Due Press]]' ''[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]'' comics, such as ''A Real American Hero'' and ''Snake Eyes: Declassified''.

==Comic book artwork==
===Devil's Due Press===
* ''[[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II]]'' [[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 3|#3]]

===IDW Publishing===
* ''[[Spotlight: Blaster]]''
* [[All Hail Megatron issue 9|''All Hail Megatron'' #9]], [[All Hail Megatron issue 10|#10]], [[All Hail Megatron issue 14|#14]] ("Replay")

===Hasbro===
* [[Unit:E (issue)|Unit:E]] (pencils and inks, pages 16-17)

==DVD cover art==
===Medianetwork Communication===
* [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Transformers Volume 1]]
* Transformers Volume 2
* Transformers Volume 3
* Transformers Volume 4
* Transformers Volume 5
* Transformers Volume 6

==Aligned Continuity Bible Designs==
* [[Jazz (WFC)| Jazz]] <ref>[http://santalux.blogspot.ca/2012/12/transformers-concepts-jazz.html Transformers Concepts: Jazz]</ref>
* [[Thundertron]] <ref>[http://santalux.blogspot.ca/2012/11/thundetron-concept-sketches.html Thundertron concept sketches!]</ref>
* [[Sideswipe (WFC)| Sideswipe]] <ref>[http://santalux.blogspot.it/2012/06/transformers-concepts-sideswipe.html Transformers Concepts - Sideswipe]</ref>

==Book art==
*''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus]]''
**Original illustrations: pages 78, 126, 155, 171
**Reused from the Binder of Revelations: pages 86, 92, 123, 128

==External links==
* [http://santalux.blogspot.com/ Blog]
* [http://www.comicartcommunity.com/gallery/categories.php?cat_id=401 Gallery of various comic book art]

==Footnotes==
{{reflist}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Santalucia, Emiliano}}
[[Category:Illustrators]]

Emiliano Santalucia

2014-01-11T04:25:40Z

Blackrock: /* Book art */

'''Emiliano Santalucia''' is an Italian comic book artist. Santalucia did his first professional work for Star Comics and Play Press in 1988-89. A big fan of ''Masters of the Universe'', in 2002 he scored the job to illustrate Image Comics' ''Masters of the Universe'' comic, based upon Mattel's relaunched cartoon series and toyline. He has also worked on [[Devil's Due Press]]' ''[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]'' comics, such as ''A Real American Hero'' and ''Snake Eyes: Declassified''.

==Comic book artwork==
===Devil's Due Press===
* ''[[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II]]'' [[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 3|#3]]

===IDW Publishing===
* ''[[Spotlight: Blaster]]''
* [[All Hail Megatron issue 9|''All Hail Megatron'' #9]], [[All Hail Megatron issue 10|#10]], [[All Hail Megatron issue 14|#14]] ("Replay")

===Hasbro===
* [[Unit:E (issue)|Unit:E]] (pencils and inks, pages 16-17)

==DVD cover art==
===Medianetwork Communication===
* [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Transformers Volume 1]]
* Transformers Volume 2
* Transformers Volume 3
* Transformers Volume 4
* Transformers Volume 5
* Transformers Volume 6

==Aligned Continuity Bible Designs==
* [[Jazz (WFC)| Jazz]] <ref>[http://santalux.blogspot.ca/2012/12/transformers-concepts-jazz.html Transformers Concepts: Jazz]</ref>
* [[Thundertron]] <ref>[http://santalux.blogspot.ca/2012/11/thundetron-concept-sketches.html Thundertron concept sketches!]</ref>
* [[Sideswipe (WFC)| Sideswipe]] <ref>[http://santalux.blogspot.it/2012/06/transformers-concepts-sideswipe.html Transformers Concepts - Sideswipe]</ref>

==Book art==
*''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus]]''
**Original illustrations: pages 78, 126,, 155, 171
**Reused from the Binder of Revelations: Pages 86, 92, 123, 128

==External links==
* [http://santalux.blogspot.com/ Blog]
* [http://www.comicartcommunity.com/gallery/categories.php?cat_id=401 Gallery of various comic book art]

==Footnotes==
{{reflist}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Santalucia, Emiliano}}
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Talk:Belzone

2014-01-05T14:22:18Z

Blackrock: Created page with "Is this definitely an unreleased guy? I just assumed that they used placeholder names on the Ironhide packaging mockups before they settled on Ironhide as a name. --~~~~"

Is this definitely an unreleased guy? I just assumed that they used placeholder names on the Ironhide packaging mockups before they settled on Ironhide as a name. --[[User:Blackrock|Blackrock]] ([[User talk:Blackrock|talk]]) 09:22, 5 January 2014 (EST)

Jim Sorenson

2013-12-18T23:12:01Z

Blackrock: /* IDW */

{{factions|empire}}
{{disambig3.5|the real world [[human]]|his [[negative universe]] counterpart|Jim Sorenson (Animated)|Jim}}
[[Image:Jimsorrenson-evil genius.jpg|thumb|400px|]]

'''James M. Sorenson''', better known as '''Jim''', (born [[July 15]], [[1976]]) is a [[Los Angeles]]-based Transformers fan who freelances with [[IDW Publishing]]. Along with [[Bill Forster]], he restored and did layouts of character designs in the [[The Ark series|''Ark'' books]]. He also wrote the copy and compiled the material from fans and professionals like [[Andrew Hall]] (aka Hydra) and [[Bob Budiansky]]. In the course of compiling this material, he came across several original series notes, some of which (nicknames and extended biographies) he has made available to online forums. He is also an [[User:Jimsorenson| active participant]] on this wiki.

Prior to making the leap to pro, he had been a longtime fan, contributing to alt.toys.transformers as early as [[1994]]. He was perhaps best known for deciphering the [[Maximal]] and [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] [[Cybertronix|languages]] as used in the [[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]] show and making the text, in canonical order, available as a true-type font.<ref>[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_thread/thread/77395bc6a16258d7/b5bae9cb3dd23c81?lnk=gst&q=maximal+font#b5bae9cb3dd23c81 ATT Thread from 1999]</ref> In the late '90s, Sorenson created fonts based on [[Cybertronian languages| writing]] in "[[Cosmic Rust (episode)|Cosmic Rust]]" and "[[Decepticon Graffiti!]]"; in [[2007]], these fonts were [[Retcon|retroactively made official]] when they were incorporated into the [[AllSpark Wars]] Mini-ARG (Alternate Reality Game). The Autobot language was subsequently used by [[Burger King]]'s [[Transform Your Way]] contest. He also provided material used by [[Shout! Factory]] in their DVD releases.

== IDW ==
* ''[[Transformers: The Ark]]''
* ''[[Transformers: The Ark II]]''
* ''[[Transformers: The Complete Ark]]''
* ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac]]''
* ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II]]''
* ''[[Transformers: The Art of Prime]]''
* ''[[Legacy: The Art of Transformers Packaging]]''

==Convention appearances==
* [[BotCon 2008]]
* [[BotCon 2009]]
* [[BotCon 2010]]
* [[BotCon 2012]]
* [[Botcon 2013]]

==External links==
*Jim Sorenson's [http://boltax.blogspot.com/ blog]
*Jim Sorenson's [http://pics.livejournal.com/shortpacked/pic/001y40w0/g232 belt]

==References==
<references />

{{DEFAULTSORT:Sorenson, Jim}}

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[[Category:Writers]]

Bill Forster

2013-12-18T23:11:49Z

Blackrock: /* IDW */

{{disambig3.5|the real world [[human]]|his [[negative universe]] counterpart|Bill Forster (Animated)|Bill}}

[[Image:Bill Forster.jpg|thumb|right|200px|*cue Iron Maiden riff*]]
'''Bill Forster''' (born [[February 24]], [[1973]]) is an author and artist with [[IDW Publishing]]. Along with [[Jim Sorenson]], he restored and did layouts of character designs in the [[The Ark series|''Ark'' books]].

[[Image:Bill forster tattoo.jpg|left|100px|thumb|Forty-three species of parrots! Slugs! Nipples for men! Are we not in the hands of a lunatic?]]
He also, with full licensing from Hasbro, got a tattoo of [[Victory Leo]] as part of the television show called [[Wikipedia:LA Ink|''LA Ink'']] on [[Wikipedia:TLC (TV channel)|TLC]].<ref>[http://boltax.blogspot.com/2009/06/post-no-bills-premier-edition-la-ink.html Blog post describing his tattoo experience]</ref>. The original air date of Bill receiving the tattoo was [[August 20]], [[2009]].
{{--}}
== IDW ==
* ''[[Transformers: The Ark]]''
* ''[[Transformers: The Ark II]]''
* ''[[Transformers: The Complete Ark]]''
* ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac]]''
* ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II]]''
* ''[[Legacy: The Art of Transformers Packaging]]''

==Convention appearances==
* [[BotCon 2009]]
* [[BotCon 2010]]
* [[BotCon 2012]]
* [[Botcon 2013]]

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
*[http://www.formspring.me/BillForster Bill Forster at FormSpring]
*[http://www.billforster.deviantart.com/ Bill Forster on DeviantArt]
*[http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5S_W5aLP95o/Ty9MdULfAoI/AAAAAAAACkI/HNIi4B755Sk/s1600/Hasbro+Legal+Doc+-+LA+Inc+License.jpg Document granting Bill Forster the right to have a Hasbro character tattooed on him on LA Ink]

{{DEFAULTSORT:Forster, Bill}}

[[Category:Fandom]]
[[Category:Writers]]

Package art

2013-12-18T23:10:57Z

Blackrock: /* Merchandise */

{{suite}}

{{picsneeded|Generation 2, Machine Wars}}

[[Image:G1_OptimusPrime_boxart.jpg|right|thumb|350px|Box art for [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] in 1984 by [[Jeffrey Mangiat]].]]

Throughout the life of the [[Transformers brand|''Transformers'' brand]], '''package art''' has been one of its most common elements. Though not as widely noted and celebrated as [[Tech Spec|Tech Specs]], it is just as enduring and iconic to the brand. In the fandom, it is also referred to as '''box art''', though it also appears on carded toy [[Packaging|packages]].

''Transformers'' package art most often serves to portray the toy in the mode that it isn't packaged in. As most Transformers are sold in their non-robot forms, it typically shows them as robots (or whatever their equivalent primary mode is.)

===Generation 1===
[[Image:Thunderwingboxart.jpg|left|200px|thumb|All that hard work and they STILL missed a mode.]]
Every Transformer sold in Generation 1 featured hand-painted artwork on the front of the package, most often showing the robot mode, with the vehicle form of the actual toy visible alongside it through a clear plastic window or bubble. A smaller version of the art was shown as part of the character's [[Bio|biography]] and [[Tech Spec]] profile. Generation 1's package art also showed up in numerous merchandising items, such as [[Action Cards]], [[Pack-in material|pack-in flyers]], [[Iron-on patch|iron-on patches]], party hats, and more.

Some toys would also have art depicting their vehicle mode. The [[Jumpstarter|Jumpstarters]] had vehicle art because they were packaged in robot mode, and the [[Triple Changer|Triple Changers]] had art for the vehicle mode the toy wasn't packaged in. The tech specs still used the robot art only. [[Punch (G1)|Punch]] also had boxart for both of his robot modes. Another exception to the rule was the [[Clone (subgroup)|Clones]], sold packaged in their identical robot modes, with artwork of their different alternate modes alongside them. Vehicle mode art was generally used only on windowed boxes, since the non-windowed boxes (such as [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]], and [[Countdown (G1)|Countdown]]) had large pictures of all alternate modes on the front.

Package art for the multiple-form [[Pretender]]s featured all of their forms: outer shell and both modes of the inner robot. As the multiple-form [[Mega Pretender|Mega]] and [[Ultra Pretender]] toys came along, this resulted in some rather crowded package art.

[[Image:G1 boxart at botcon.jpg|right|250px|thumb|When we win the lottery, this is where we're going.]]
The character art for many of the [[Diaclone]]-licensed characters was directly appropriated from their original Diaclone boxes, including Autobot vehicles, Dinobots, and Decepticon cassettes. This style was maintained for all newly-commissioned Generation 1 (and Generation 2) character art, presumably for consistency.

This art style often depicted a somewhat fictionalized version of the robot mode. While the reproduction of the toy's finer details was done very faithfully, the actual poses were often utterly impossible to reproduce given the limited articulation of most ''Generation 1'' toys. Seemingly, the less the posable the toy was, the greater the artistic exaggeration tended to be; thus, the [[Throttlebot]]s and [[Battlecharger]]s were shown with jointed arms, separable legs and posable heads, even though the represented toys lacked all these features.

Some of the first year's character art, such as [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]], and some of the [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]]s, were painted by [[Jeffrey Mangiat]]. The [[Mini Vehicle#Generation_1|1984 mini-vehicles]], as well as [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]], were illustrated by [[Mark Watts]]. A large portion of the 1986 through 1988 character line art was done by [[Richard Marcej]][http://www.baboonbooks.com/portfolio/Illustration_images/Transformers/trans_illus.html], including some if not all of the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]], [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]], [[Targetmaster]]s, [[Powermaster]]s, [[Seacon (G1)|Seacons]] and [[Pretender]]s. Much of the late-run ''Generation 1'' package art was the work of Japanese illustrator [[Hidetsugu Yoshioka]], whose work brought a dynamic and appealing style to the often blocky and simplistic toys.

A number of the original ''Generation 1'' paintings have appeared for sale at recent [[BotCon|BotCons]], at asking prices starting at $650 and ranging up to several thousand dollars.
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====Back of the box art====
[[Image:G1 1984 backofboxbattle.jpg|left|200px|thumb|My name is Optimus Prime. I'm Japanese!]]
For the first five years, the boxed toys of ''Generation 1'' also featured hand-painted, mural-like artwork depicting that year's toyline engaged in battle.

Compared to the fiction which developed around the toys, these paintings often feature some rather surreal elements. Multiples of the same character are shown (sometimes to depict movement, and possibly a result of the ''Transformers'' toys' original fictional origin as piloted mecha), and cars are seen to fly through space. Occasional off-model characters appear as well, such as a red Tracks or a strange-looking Broadside.

The original 1984 painting by [[David Schleinkofer]] showed the Transformers battling in deep space. The 1985 toy assortment was shown fighting in Earth orbit, with the planet sustaining some massive damage below them. In 1986, they were on the barren surface of a planet, centered around Metroplex. (1985 and 1986's were painted by Jeffrey Mangiat.) The 1987 battle was once again in deep space, with [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] and [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] as the clear centerpieces; 1988 was likewise set in deep space.

[[Image:SpaceshotAngry.jpg|right|150px|thumb|I'll finish you yet, Dudley Do-Right!]]
With the proliferation of Pretenders and [[Micromaster]] bases in 1989, the standardized back-of-box art was replaced with a series of rather crude and cartoonish hand-drawn scenes, each showing a few of that year's characters engaged in combat, typically the toy type (Micromaster base, Mega Pretender, etc.) that was being sold in the package. The line art for these illustrations was apparently all done by [[Richard Marcej| Richard Marcej]] [http://www.baboonbooks.com/portfolio/Illustration_images/Battle%20Scenes/TransbattleIllus.html], who was creditably also responsible for much of the higher-quality character art from earlier years.

The Action Masters in 1990 did get a more traditional mural painting, showing a battle in low Earth orbit, complete with ground vehicles flying through space.
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===Generation 2===
''Generation 2'' featured a combination of retouched (or redrawn-to-look-as-if-it-were-retouched) ''Generation 1'' (obviously for the repainted or retooled ''Generation 1'' toys) and all-new artwork to accompany the new toys. This new artwork was closer in resemblance to the artwork seen in the last years of ''Generation 1'' than the early art.

Some of ''Generation 2'''s package art was reproduced on a series of pack-in [[Real Action Pop-Ups 3-D Transformer Trading Card|Real Action Pop-Ups 3-D Transformer Trading Cards]].

===Beast Wars===
[[Image:Sonar-bw-packageart.jpg|left|150px|thumb|The Batclaw.]]
''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' continued the painted-art standard of ''Generation 1'', though the artwork tended to exaggerate the beastly qualities of the robot modes. Occasional use of the mutant head feature on the early ''Beast Wars'' toys sometimes led to rather strange results.

[[Image:Rampage-backofthebox.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Terror Claws, the arch nemesis of Echowarrior.]]

Three of the largest ''Beast Wars'' toys (the Transmetals [[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]], [[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]] and [[Optimus Primal|Optimal Optimus]]) featured a "schematic" drawing of the toy in robot mode on the back of the box, in blue line-on-black form, alongside a photograph of the actual toy. The drawing had call-outs for such [[Power Plans|bizarre technical details]] as "[[Galva-conductor|galva-conductors]]", "terror claws", "space cruiser wings", and "LED smart missile plasma cannons".

The later Transmetal 2 toys [[Tigerhawk]] and Megatron omitted the line art and used the toy photo to call out the techno-nonsense. These two toys also featured added box art placed so that the toys, visible through the box's plastic window, appeared to be firing their weapons. Megatron, for example, appeared to have a stream of fire spewing from his dragon head's mouth.
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===Machine Wars===
''[[Machine Wars: Transformers|Machine Wars]]'' was composed of mostly repaints/retools from the 1992 European ''Generation 1'' toyline and previously unused ''Generation 2''. The only packaging art created for the line was the art for [[Hubcap (MW)|Hubcap]] and [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]]. [[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]], [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] used art from the [[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1 toys]] they were [[Redeco|redecoes]] of. The Basic jets used recolored [[Predator (subgroup)|Predator]] art, and [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] and [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] used [[Laser Rod]] [[Jolt (G2)|Jolt]]'s art. Oddly, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] didn't use [[Thunder Clash]]'s art, but instead used a heavily edited version of Laser Optimus Prime's art. (As a result, Prime's box art indicates that the toy has a mouthplate, which is not the case.)

===Beast Machines===
The ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Machines]]'' toyline was the first to break with the tradition established by ''Generation 1''. Most packages featured the CGI-rendered robot mode of [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]], rather than the character whose toy was being sold. For the "The Battle for the Sparks" subline, Cheetor was replaced by [[Optimus Primal]] in beast mode. The "Dinobots" subline featured [[T-Wrecks]] in beast mode.

The CGI model of boxed characters who appeared on [[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)|the show]], such as [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]], appeared on the back of their boxes alongside their profile.

===Robots in Disguise===
''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (toyline)|Robots in Disguise]]'' restored individual character portrayals to the front of packages... but these were simply computer-enhanced photographs of the actual toys within, often transformed to varying degrees of accuracy. The Japanese ''Car Robots'' releases continued to use the type of CGI boxart used on the Japanese ''Beast Wars'' toys.

===Armada===
[[Image:OptimusPrimeUT-Armada.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Obesity is my destiny!]]
With the new ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Armada]]'' toyline and franchise continuity, Hasbro's ''Transformers'' packaging returned to hand-drawn character art for the first time since the end of ''Beast Wars''. Drawn by artists from [[Dreamwave Productions]], this art followed a comic book style with modern Photoshop colouring, rather than the hand-painted work of ''Generation 1''.

This art was also reproduced onto a collectible sticker that was included with all ''Armada'' toys from the Super-Con size class and upwards.

*The Mini-Con class toys featured a single piece of artwork of one of the Mini-Con team members on the insert tray card
*The Super-Con class toys did not feature artwork directly on the packaging card itself, instead opting to display the collector sticker in the packaging bubble.
*Max-Con, Giga-Con, Super Base and Supreme class toys all featured art directly printed onto the packaging.
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===Commemorative Series===
The ''[[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series| Generation One Commemorative Series]]'' series featured a wide range of previously seen art, from the original 1980s packaging art to the ''Transformers Collection'' reissue artwork by [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]]. Additionally, all-new art by Dreamwave artist/president [[Pat Lee]] was commissioned for several of the later reissues, coupled with a few instances of recycled artwork originally drawn by Lee for the covers of Dreamwave's [[Prime Directive|first ''Generation 1'' mini-series]].

===Universe===
[[Image:KingAtlas-card.jpg|right|120px|thumb|Hey! Come back with my purse!]]
''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' packaging art were mostly by the Dreamwave affiliated artists, but while the penciling was of the same general quality and style of the mainline art, the colouring was often much flatter and lacking in depth. Additionally, some toys featured artwork by Hasbro's in-house artists attempting to emulate the then-popular Dreamwave style, to extremely varied results.

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===Energon===
[[Image:Energon Perceptor cardart.jpg|left|100px|thumb|Hahahaha, I've got your purse!]]
The ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' toyline featured the same style of comic artwork first seen in the ''Armada'' line, this time featuring all of the characters included in a toy package where possible (for example, an entire Mini-Con team as opposed to just a single member as seen during ''Armada''). Once again, artists affiliated with Dreamwave Productions provided the artwork. Similarly to ''Armada'', for toys Deluxe class and upwards the packaging art was reproduced on collectible tech spec cards included with paperwork or taped inside the packaging bubble.
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===Alternators===
[[Image:Swindleart.jpg|right|100px|thumb|Combaticon Night Fever]]
The ''[[Transformers: Alternators| Alternators]]'' toyline originally featured the same style of full-body artwork seen in the other ''Transformers'' toylines at the time, once again by various Dreamwave artists (namely [[Pat Lee]], [[Don Figueroa]], [[Alex Milne]], [[Joe Ng]], [[Guido Guidi]] and [[Marcelo Matere]]). However, when the packaging style switched to the large plastic bubble/cardboard tray configuration in late 2005, the packaging art style—now entirely drawn by Marcelo Matere—was changed to emulate the focused upper torso style seen in the ''Cybertron'' toyline, though the art was coloured more closely to the comic book style.
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===Cybertron===
[[Image:Armorhide-UTA.jpg|left|100px|thumb|It's gonna be a Cybertronsical Transformertastic Snit in the [[Pit]]! Only $49.95 on Pay-Per-View!]]
''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'s'' packaging artwork headed in a dramatically different direction to the previous years, dropping the comic book style in favour of focusing on the upper torso of the character while they were in a 'ready to fight' pose, similar to the advertising [[Posters|posters]] of boxing matches. The artwork was drawn mostly by now-freelance ex-Dreamwave artists, and coloured in a style passably similar to the painted ''Generation 1''/''Generation 2'' art.
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===Classics===
Similarly to ''Robots in Disguise'', the ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' toyline was created as a 'filler' line, to plug the gap between the end of ''Cybertron'' and the beginning of the 2007 live action movie toyline. As such, Hasbro once again returned to using photographs of the toys instead of actual drawn artwork.

A feature of the packaging was a card on the front that, when moved, revealed one of the toy's modes.

===Masterpiece===
[[Image:MP Starscream book cover art.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Starscream in his elder years.]]
''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece| Masterpiece]]'' figures use photographs for their box art, but also have "real" package art on the covers of their [[Instructions|instruction booklets]] and on their included collectible cards.
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===Robot Heroes===
''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]'' featured ''extremely'' cute [[Super deformed|super deformed]]-style artwork of the figures.

===Transformers (2007)===
[[Image:Blackout-packageart.jpg|left|100px|thumb|Like most movie characters, he could stab you with his head.]]
[[Image:Brawl-cyber-slammer-boxart.jpg|right|125px|thumb|Cyber Slammer [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]], adorable death machine.]]
The majority of the "main line" toys from the [[Movie (toyline)|2007 movie toyline]] featured a very exactingly detailed mugshot of the character (seemingly hand-painted), surrounded by technological greeblies. The characters featured in the film appear to use the movie models as a starting point, though there are some difference in coloration and detail.

In Europe, this art was replaced by a photo of the toy in robot mode, which was also used on the rear of the packaging. Some of this art (as well as the packaging design) was also used by several licensed merchandise manufacturers.

The [[Fast Action Battlers]] and [[Cyber Slammers]] sublines had traditional hand-drawn art, but done in a more rounded, 'cuter' style to fit the younger target age group of the toys.

The [[Real Gear Robot|Real Gear Robots]] opted to use a closeup photograph of the toy's upper torso, similarly to ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'', while the Target-exclusive Scout class range of redecos lacked any sort of packaging art.
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===Transformers Animated===
[[Image:Prowl-animated-packageart.jpg|left|250px|thumb|Three annoying companions, two bladed mecha stars, and a ninja in a park tree.]]
[[Image:Ratchet-animated-packageart.jpg|right|85px|thumb|Grumpy bot for sale.]]
The ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]'' line predominantly uses character models and promotional images from the actual [[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers Animated cartoon]], which is a first for the North American Transformers toyline.

The Deluxe packaging features a large image of the character, showing the bulk of their body and generally in an action pose, on the front of the plastic packaging bubble. A different image is used as a smaller mug shot on the side of the bubble and on the back of the card by their quote, possibly making ''Animated'' the first series to give each toy ''two'' unique pieces of character package art.

This layout is replicated for the Voyager size-class toys, though obviously the front and side images are printed on exterior cardboard.
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===Universe (2008)===
[[Image:Prowl-universe2008-packageart.jpg|right|100px|thumb|DO NOT WANT]]
The all-new ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' sees a return of comic book-style packaging art, with an upper torso drawing of the character printed either on the carded package or the box. To the amusement of all, some of the art also sees a return of the [[Dull surprise|glassy-eyed, slack-jawed expressions]] first seen during the days of Dreamwave Productions. Artist [[Marcelo Matere]] commented [http://mmatere.deviantart.com/art/Prowl-Classics-boxart-81892593?offset=10#comments on his deviantART page] that Hasbro had requested a more static, statue-like depiction for this line.
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===Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen===
[[Image:ROTFBlowpipe_headdesign.JPG|thumb|150px|left|[[Blowpipe (ROTF)|Blowpipe]]'s package art.]]
[[Image:Demolishor-packageart.jpg|thumb|150px|right|[[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]]'s package art.]]
The return to the live-action movie toy line with ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' sees a return to minimalist character artwork. Instead of the 2007 movie line's head-on, forward-facing headshots, the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' toy line uses three-quarter profiles of the head.
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===Transformers (2010)===
[[Image:Highbrow TF2010 boxart.jpg|thumb|left|110px|[[Highbrow (TF 2010)|Highbrow]]'s package art.]]
[[Image:SteamhammerPackageArt.jpg|thumb|right|150px|[[Steamhammer (PCC)|Steamhammer]] with his [[Constructicon (PCC)|Constructicons]]. PELVIC THRUST. WOOOO!]]
The secondary-title-less [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'' line]] changes the Voyager [[size class]], with ''all'' toys in that size now being packaged in [[robot mode]]. As a consequence, the package art now depicts each toy in its [[alternate mode]] on the front of the packaging, with the robot mode art being placed on the side of the packaging, just above the [[bio]]. The Leader-class and Scout-class toys remain packaged in their robot modes, so they get the same treatment, although the small size of the Scout class limits their art to their alternate mode. The [[Power Core Combiners]] are also packaged in robot mode, so the two-packs feature their combined alternate mode/[[Mini-Con]] art. The five-packs' package art only depicts the [[Combiner|combined robot]] mode, however.
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===Transformers Generations===
The third iteration of the Classics/Universe franchise, the Deluxe-only [[Transformers: Generations|''Transformers: Generations'']] line has ''two'' styles of packaging art, reflecting how it's essentially two separate lines connected by name. The first line of Generations toys were done with packaging art similar to Universe's style. However, the robots usually didn't suffer from [[Dull surprise]], and are a fair bit smaller. The second iteration of Generations, released in 2012 as a toyline for [[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron| ''Transformers: Fall of Cybertron'']] in all but name, have a much larger render of the respective robot behind the line's title.
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===Dark of the Moon===
[[Image:DarkSteelPackagePic.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Darksteel's package art.]]
''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]'' once again returned to the live-action movie-style minimalist character artwork, all the while taking some cues from the previous 2010 toyline. Instead of the 2009 ''Revenge of the Fallen'' line's three-quarter profiled head-shots, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Deluxe_Class_toys_2|most]] Deluxe-class toys and all [[Cyberverse]] playsets now depict a rendered bust-like shot of the character, seen from a slightly upward angle and with the characters staring off into the distance. The Voyager, Leader, and Cyberverse Commander classes have rendered vehicle forms instead, also seen from an angle. The art itself takes a big step forward, with the renders themselves (which were made by [http://www.indigostudios.com/news/2011/07/1934/ Indigo Studios]) being ''ridiculously'' detailed and shiny, looking almost realistic and being as close to the live-action movie aesthetic as possible. This even applies to some non-film characters, like [[Space Case (DOTM)|Space Case]] and [[Darksteel (DOTM)|Darksteel]], who received incredibly detailed mugshots that make them look like they could plausibly be rendered and easily fit alongside the other robots on film.
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===Transformers: Prime===
[[Image:Thundertronpackagingart.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Package art of "Robots in Disguise" [[Thundertron]], a character who had previously only existed in [[Transformers: Exiles|prose]]... and a canceled [[Transformers Online|Chinese MMORPG]].]]
[[Image:Shockwave CGI Packaging 1.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Package art of "Beast Hunters" Voyager Class [[Shockwave (WFC)#Beast Hunters|Shockwave]], seen here wearing his fancy removable toy-accurate "beast armor", and, er, saluting?]]
There were essentially three toylines under the ''[[Transformers: Prime (toyline)|Transformers: Prime]]'' banner.
====First Edition====
The first toyline was "First Edition", a "preview" toyline of sorts which featured package art consisting of touched-up concept art of the cast of Prime.
====Robots in Disguise====
The "main" toyline was "Robots in Disguise", and used CGI renders of the characters for its package art. For [[redeco]]ed/[[retool]]ed characters, (such as [[Hot Shot (WFC)|Hot Shot]], a [[retool]] of [[Bumblebee (WFC)#Deluxe|Bumblebee]]) the CGI was often modified, featuring different colors, heads, and even poses/angles.

====Beast Hunters====
The third and final toyline was "[[Beast Hunters]]", which still used CGI renders for its package art. A CGI render of [[Predaking (Prime)|Predaking]] in his dragon mode was featured in some way on all of the packages, and the Deluxe Class and Cyberverse toys lacked individual package art, using only toy stock photos, whereas only the Voyager and Ultimate Class toys continued to use CGI renders.
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==Japan==

===Generation 1===

[[TakaraTomy|Takara]] followed Hasbro's lead with regard to the packaging design of Transformers, with the vast majority of the character artwork for the first three years of the line being identical to their U.S. releases. In some instances however, Takara utilized different artwork from Hasbro for some of the line's figures, including among others alternate character artwork for Optimus Prime, [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain (white version)]], [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] and Fortress Maximus. Takara also had new artwork in the same style as the preceding Diaclone and Hasbro character artwork created for Japanese-only retail figures, and this artwork style was maintained through to the end of the Japanese Generation 1 run in 1992. In some (but not all) instances where a toy was released in different colors than the Hasbro release, the Hasbro artwork was simply reused with the appropriate modifications, such as [[Quickswitch]] and [[Sixknight]].

====Back of the box art====

For the back-of-box artwork Takara initially reused the 1984 painting for their initial releases in 1985, but later switched to a heavily modified version of Hasbro's 1985 back-of-box art, altered to include several more characters, most prominently [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], while at the same time totally removing the non-Takara toys such as the [[Insecticon (G1)|Deluxe Insecticons]] and [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]. For 1986, Takara had a totally unique piece of artwork in a similar style spotlighting the 1986 Scramble City combiner and citybot toys, in addition to also reusing Jeffrey Mangiat's 1986 mural on other boxes. For 1987 and 1988, Takara again used the same back-of-box artwork as Hasbro, but 1989's [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (toyline)|Victory]] line by necessity used a totally new piece of artwork spotlighting the unique-to-Japan toys. [[Transformers: Zone (toyline)|Zone]] did away with a fully painted battlescene, the back of the boxes simply including photographs of the main line. 1991's [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Return of Convoy (toyline)|Return of Convoy]] on the other hand had two new battlescenes painted for the line, one spotlighting Sky Garry and Grandus, and the other one appropriately featuring Star Convoy. [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Operation Combination (toyline)|Operation Combination]], like Zone, retained the painted character artwork but did not feature a new battlescene.

===Generation 2===

With the reintroduction of Transformers to Japan in 1995, Takara elected to try a new approach by utilizing computer generated models to represent the characters on the packaging instead of painted artwork.

===Beast Wars===

Takara initially returned to hand drawn artwork for the first several releases of their Beast Wars line in 1997, but rather than repurpose the U.S. artwork for the relevant toys, these were all-new renditions that, where appropriate, were based on the characters' visual appearance in the Beast Wars TV show (Optimus Primal having a mouth, for example). Shortly into the line, Takara abandoned the hand drawn artwork and returned to computer generated models, which were done in a style reminiscent of the Beast Wars animated series.

Takara continued this package style through the two subsequent "Beast" lines, [[Beast Wars II (toyline)|Beast Wars II]] and [[Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Neo (toyline)|Beast Wars Neo]], with only the [[Auto Roller|Auto Rollers]] using traditional-style box art. [[Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Metals (franchise)|Beast Wars Metals]] abandoned character artwork on the boxes altogether in favor of larger windows to show off the toys.

===Car Robots===

[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (toyline)|Car Robots]] featured new computer-generated artwork on the line's boxed figures, with carded figures simply featuring the toy's corresponding collectors' card (complete with a CG rendition of the character) placed in a window above the figure.

===Micron Legend===

The [[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Micron Legend]] toys, much like Generation 1 before it, simply repurposed the artwork as drawn by Dreamwave Productions. Also like later Generation 1 figures, Takara altered the colors of [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|some]] characters where necessary to reflect their slightly different colors in the Japanese marketplace, and had new artwork done for the [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys#Armada|Magna Convoy DX Set]] in a similar style.

===Super Link===

Consistent with the corresponding animated series, the [[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Super Link]] toyline utilized CG artwork taken directly from the character models as used on the TV show.

===Galaxy Force===

As with Super Link before it, [[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Galaxy Force]] simply used the character's CG models from the accompanying animated series as the character artwork on the boxes. In the cases of non-show characters like [[Buzzsaw (Cybertron)|Buzzsaw]] and [[Runamuck (Cybertron)|Runabout]], hand-drawn artwork was used instead.

===Henkei! Henkei!===
[[Image:Henkei C-08 Prowl box art.jpg|right|200px|thumb|You don't want him pulling you over on the road.]]
[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]] used both toy photography and original art for their packaging art. The first four waves ([[List of Japanese ID numbers#Henkei! Henkei!|C-01 to C-06 and D-01 to D-04]]), plus C-18 Minibot Attack Team and C-19 Minibot Spy Team used simple toy photos of them in robot mode, [[Jetfire (G1)#Henkei! Henkei!|Skyfire]] in vehicle mode. The remaining waves had hand-drawn artwork done by artist [[Naoto Tsushima]].
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==Europe==
[[Image:AltPrimeUSEuro.jpg|right|200px|thumb|No deceptive advertising allowed.]]
For a long time, [[Multilingual packaging|European packaging]] had featured the same package artwork as the toys' respective North American versions (and, in the case of the European exclusive toys from the early Nineties, its own unique artwork). However, during the last waves of ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' (specifically, beginning with the second wave of the Superion Maximus limbs, [[Terradive (Energon)|Terradive]] and [[Windrazor (Energon)|Windrazor]]), the package art was replaced with airbrushed [[stock photography|stock photos]] of the toys themselves on European packaging. The same happened with European ''[[Transformers: Alternators| Alternators]]'' packaging starting with [[Windcharger (G1)#toys|Windcharger]] and [[Swindle (G1)#toys|Swindle]]. From then on, European ''Transformers'' packaging omitted any artistic renditions of the toys in favor of strictly accurate depictions of the products themselves (at least as "accurate" as Hasbro's early hand-painted/airbrushed prototype stock photography can be).

After the [[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]] and [[Fast Action Battlers]] from the [[Movie (toyline)|2007 Movie toyline]] had started to feature package art for the European packaging again, this policy was abandoned entirely with the advent of ''[[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Animated]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' in 2008, resulting in a full-scale return of character artwork.

No official explanation for these changes has ever been given by Hasbro. The most likely reason is a newly introduced European Union guideline (subsequently implemented into national law) regarding "misleading advertising", which ''could'' be interpreted to extend to artistic renditions of products on the packaging, especially in [[:Image:SuperionMaximusCatalogArt.jpg|poses not actually possible with the toy]]. The question, however, is why artistic depictions suddenly became okay again several years later.
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==Canada and Central/South America==
[[Image:UniDelWave1CanMex.jpg|left|300px|thumb|It's ''Beast Machines'' all over again!]]
The [[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|2008 ''Universe'']] line also saw a strange twist for the [[Multilingual packaging|trilingual packaging]] used by Hasbro for the Canadian and Central/South American markets: All the Deluxe Class figures only sport the character art of one "representative" toy per wave (Wave 1: [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]], Wave 2: [[Acid Storm (G1)|Acid Storm]], Wave 3: [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]]) on the front of the card, regardless of which toy actually ''is'' in the packaging. (The artwork on the side of the bubble is correct, though.) The Voyager Class toys, meanwhile, feature no character artwork on the front of the box at all.
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==Merchandise==
===Transformers Tapestry===
[[Image:TransformersTapestry.jpg|left|100px|thumb|Holy...]]
The [[e-HOBBY]] New Year Special [[2008]] [[Transformers Tapestry]] is a 750mm x 615mm wall scroll that was released in spring 2008. It featured head and bust shots of the box art of every Transformer released in Japan from [[1984]] until [[1995]].

===Legacy: The Art of Transformers Packaging===
A 300 page art book from [[IDW Publishing]] scheduled to be released in spring of [[2014]] featuring the packaging art of Generation 1 and Generation 2.

==External links==
*[http://www.botchthecrab.com/archive/ Botch's Transformers Box Art Archive] - covers Generation 1
*[http://pyresdomain.net/TF/BeastBoxArchive/ Pyre's Domain - Beast Wars Box Art Archive]

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Legacy: The Art of Transformers Packaging

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The cover of the [[Legacy: The Art of Transformers Packaging]] art book by [[Jim Sorenson]]. Illustration by [[David Schleinkofer]].

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[[File:Thehub.jpg|thumb|400px|Man, the [[The Hub|Discovery Kids Network]] sure has gone downhill!]]

The '''Hub''' is the seat of power of the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian Empire]]. It is a network of [[Eco-structuring|cyberformed]] structures wherein resides the [[Liege Maximo]], progenitor of the [[Decepticon]]s.

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Marvel ''Generation 2'' comic====

At the madness of [[Liege Centuro]] [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] escalated, his assistant [[Rook (G2)|Rook]] worried for the future of their empire. Once Jhiaxus had departed for the ''[[Twilight (G2)|Twilight]]'', Rook opened up communication with the Hub, wishing to speak to the Liege Maximo about Jhiaxus's rage. {{storylink|Dark Shadows!}}

Soon, as Jhiaxus and [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] fought within the ''Twilight'' as it was being consumed by the [[Swarm (G2)|Swarm]], the Liege Centuro claimed that he had been promised a place at the Hub. Unfortunately, Optimus and the rest of his [[Autobot]]/[[Decepticon]] throw-backs had ruined everything, denying Jhiaxus this honor.

Once Jhiaxus and his army were consumed by the Swarm and the "throwbacks" prevailed, Rook himself traveled to the Hub where he had been granted an audience with the Liege Maximo. The Liege Maximo told Rook not to worry, for despite the losses that day, Jhiaxus's army was but the tip of the iceberg. Evil... is infinite! {{storylink|A Rage in Heaven!}}

====''Alignment''====
{{note|''Alignment'' is an unofficial, non-[[canon]] novella, but it is considered enlightening in determining [[authorial intent]] regarding specific story elements left otherwise undeveloped in official materials.}}

The Hub had long been performing a complex operation through successive iterations, its accuracy improving as planets were added to the network. Inhabiting it were a wide variety of mechanical organisms, beings that might have once been Decepticons, but had been advanced to the point of having multiple forms and reduced to a hive mentality, little more than extensions of the Liege Maximo's will. The goal of this operation was to allow the Liege Maximo to ascend to the realm of the [[Unicron|Dark Gods]]. At a critical moment this operation was disrupted on two fronts by a small group of Autobots led by [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] and an alliance of Decepticons and Autobots led by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] and a resurrected [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]]. Megatron actually managed to wound his ancestor before perishing, which caused the Liege Maximo to panic and attempt to enter the portal prematurely. It collapsed, destroying him. The resolution of this threat led to the signing of the [[Pax Cybertronia]] and the end of the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]]. {{storylink|Alignment}}

====''Regeneration One''====
[[Image:The hub network - regeneration one.jpg|left|thumb|200px|"Oooo! Jhiaxus gets The Hub Network in HD apparently."]]
Jhiaxus bragged to [[Hot_Rod_(G1)/Marvel_Comics_continuity|Rodimus Prime]] that the Hub Network was a unified galactic empire. Rodimus was horrified to hear that some of the planets so [[Eco-structuring|mecha-formed]] had contained indigenous life. {{storylink|The War to End All Wars, Part 2}}

===''Exodus''===
The Hub was linked to Cybertron by [[space bridge]]s during the [[Golden Age]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Exodus|Exodus}}

[[Category:Computers]]
[[Category:Generation 2 planets]]
[[Category:War for Cybertron planets]]

Hub (G2)

2013-12-18T22:46:07Z

Blackrock:

{{disambig3|Hub}}
[[File:Thehub.jpg|thumb|400px|Man, the [[The Hub|Discovery Kids Network]] sure has gone downhill!]]

The '''Hub''' is the seat of power of the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian Empire]]. It is a network of [[Eco-structuring|cyberformed]] structures wherein resides the [[Liege Maximo]], progenitor of the [[Decepticon]]s.

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Marvel ''Generation 2'' comic====

At the madness of [[Liege Centuro]] [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] escalated, his assistant [[Rook (G2)|Rook]] worried for the future of their empire. Once Jhiaxus had departed for the ''[[Twilight (G2)|Twilight]]'', Rook opened up communication with the Hub, wishing to speak to the Liege Maximo about Jhiaxus's rage. {{storylink|Dark Shadows!}}

Soon, as Jhiaxus and [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] fought within the ''Twilight'' as it was being consumed by the [[Swarm (G2)|Swarm]], the Liege Centuro claimed that he had been promised a place at the Hub. Unfortunately, Optimus and the rest of his [[Autobot]]/[[Decepticon]] throw-backs had ruined everything, denying Jhiaxus this honor.

Once Jhiaxus and his army were consumed by the Swarm and the "throwbacks" prevailed, Rook himself traveled to the Hub where he had been granted an audience with the Liege Maximo. The Liege Maximo told Rook not to worry, for despite the losses that day, Jhiaxus's army was but the tip of the iceberg. Evil... is infinite! {{storylink|A Rage in Heaven!}}

====''Alignment''====
{{note|''Alignment'' is an unofficial, non-[[canon]] novella, but it is considered enlightening in determining [[authorial intent]] regarding specific story elements left otherwise undeveloped in official materials.}}

The Hub had long been performing a complex operation through successive iterations, its accuracy improving as planets were added to the network. Inhabiting it were a wide variety of mechanical organisms, beings that might have once been Decepticons, but had been advanced to the point of having multiple forms and reduced to a hive mentality, little more than extensions of the Liege Maximo's will. The goal of this operation was to allow the Liege Maximo to ascend to the realm of the [[Unicron|Dark Gods]]. At a critical moment this operation was disrupted on two fronts by a small group of Autobots led by [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] and an alliance of Decepticons and Autobots led by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] and a resurrected [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]]. Megatron actually managed to wound his ancestor before perishing, which caused the Liege Maximo to panic and attempt to enter the portal prematurely. It collapsed, destroying him. The resolution of this threat led to the signing of the [[Pax Cybertronia]] and the end of the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]]. {{storylink|Alignment}}

====''Regeneration One''====
Jhiaxus bragged to [[Hot_Rod_(G1)/Marvel_Comics_continuity|Rodimus Prime]] that the Hub Network was a unified galactic empire. Rodimus was horrified to hear that some of the planets so [[Eco-structuring|mecha-formed]] had contained indigenous life. {{storylink|The War to End All Wars, Part 2}}

===''Exodus''===
The Hub was linked to Cybertron by [[space bridge]]s during the [[Golden Age]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Exodus|Exodus}}

[[Category:Computers]]
[[Category:Generation 2 planets]]
[[Category:War for Cybertron planets]]

File:The hub network - regeneration one.jpg

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{{RG1|interior=true
|description=A hologram of the [[Hub (G2)|Hub Network]].
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|colors=[[John-Paul Bove]]
|letters=[[Chris Mowry]]
|script=[[Simon Furman]]}}
|issueno=97
|storytitle=The War to End All Wars, Part 2
|pageno=11
|panelno=4
|year=3}}

[Category: Images by Guido Guidi]]

John-Paul Bove

2013-11-11T02:49:16Z

Blackrock: /* Convention appearances */ Right, that's what I thought.

'''John-Paul Bove''' (born [[February 23]], [[1980]]) is a British comic artist. His non-''Transformers'' work has included ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]]'' and ''[[Doctor|Doctor Who]]'' for [[IDW Publishing]] and ''Wrath Of The Titans'' for Bluewater comics. He was originally inspired to tell his own stories by the [[Marvel Comics|Marvel UK]] Transformers comic.[http://wordmongerer.blogspot.com/2011/12/it-never-truly-ends.html] and has written and colored many stories for the Transformers Mosaic project including the 22 page story War Journal. In May 2013 his first licenced written work appeared in Panini UK's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles magazine.

==Colors==
*"[[Devastation issue 6|Feeling Yellow]]"
*[[International Incident Part 4: "All My Sins Remembered"]] (Comic-Con exclusive cover)
*''[[The Transformers: Regeneration One]]''

==Gallery==
*[[:Category:Images by John-Paul Bove|Extended John-Paul Bove gallery]]

==Convention appearances==
*[[BotCon 2011]]
*[[BotCon 2013]]

==External links==
*[http://www.jpbove.com/ John-Paul Bove's Website]
*[http://wordmongerer.deviantart.com/ John-Paul Bove's DeviantArt]

{{DEFAULTSORT:Bove, John-Paul}}
[[Category:Colorists]]

Marcelo Matere

2013-11-10T03:07:30Z

Blackrock: /* Convention Appearances */

[[Image:MarceloMatere.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Commando em ação]]
'''Marcelo Matere''' (born [[March 14]], [[1979]]) is a Brazilian artist. He is a freelance artist for [[Hasbro]] and has done comic book illustration for [[3H Productions|3H]], [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]], [[Titan Books|Titan Magazines]] and [[IDW Publishing|IDW]].

==Packaging art==
====Armada====
{{collist|3|
* [[Airazor (Armada)|Airazor]]
* [[Comettor (Armada)|Comettor]]
* [[Crumplezone (Armada)|Crumplezone]]
* [[Longarm (Armada)|Longarm]]
* [[Over-Run (Armada)|Over-Run]]
* [[Predacon (Armada)|Predacon]]
* [[Rhinox (Armada)|Rhinox]]
* [[Rollbar (Armada)|Rollbar]]
* [[Sparkplug (Armada)|Sparkplug]]
* [[Swindle (Armada)|Swindle]] (his first work for Hasbro <ref>[http://mmatere.tumblr.com/post/47617951283/minicon-swindle-transformers-armada-2002-first Matere's Tumblr]</ref>)
* [[Terrorsaur (Armada)|Terrorsaur]]
}}

He also did the package art for Armada's [[Sparkplug (Armada)|Corona Sparkplug]] and [[Wind Sheer (Armada)|Wind Sheer]], but it is undetermined if these were published anywhere.

====Energon====
{{collist|3|
* [[Alpha Quintesson]]
* [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]] (KB Toys exclusive)
* [[Grimlock (Energon)|Grimlock]]
* [[Megatron (Armada)/toys|Galvatron]]
* [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Mirage]]
* [[Omega Sentinel (Energon)|Omega Sentinel]]
* [[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Omega Supreme]]
* [[Overcast (Energon)|Overcast]]
* [[Quickstrike (Energon)|Quickstrike]]
* [[Sharkticon (Energon)|Sharkticon]]
* [[Starscream (Armada)|Energon Starscream]]
* [[Strongarm (Energon)|Energon Strongarm]]
* [[Swoop (Energon)|Swoop]]
}}

====Cybertron====
{{collist|3|
* [[Brimstone (Cybertron)|Brimstone]]
* [[Evac (Cybertron)|Evac]]
* [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]]
* [[Downshift (Energon)|Downshift]]
* [[Hot Shot (Armada)/toys|Cybertron Defense Hot Shot]]
* [[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Leobreaker]]
* [[Megatron (Armada)/toys|Megatron]]
* [[Megatron (Armada)/toys|Galvatron]]
* [[Red Alert (Armada)|Cybertron Defense Red Alert]]
* [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys|Galaxy Force Optimus Prime]]
* Optimus Prime (deluxe)
* Optimus Prime (gorilla)
* Optimus Prime (leader)
* [[Override (Cybertron)|Override GTS]]
* [[Primus]]
* [[Unicron]] (deluxe)
}}

===Universe===
{{collist|3|
* ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' mini-poster
* [[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]]
* [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]]
* [[King Atlas]]
}}

===Beast Wars Tenth Anniversary===
{{collist|3|
* [[Cheetor (BW)/toys|Cheetor]]
* [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]]
* [[Megatron (BW)/toys|Megatron]]
* [[Optimus Primal/toys|Optimus Primal]]
* [[Tarantulas (BW)|Predacon Tarantulus]]
* [[Rattrap]]
* [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]]
* [[Transmutate (character)|Trans-Mutate]]
* [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]]
}}

===Alternators===
{{collist|3|
* 06. [[Tracks (G1)|Autobot Tracks (bubble package)]]
* 07. [[Jazz (G1)/toys|Meister (bubble package)]]
* 10. [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]]
* 12. [[Shockwave (G1)/toys|Shockblast]]
* 13. [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]]
* 14. [[Decepticharge]]
* 16. [[Prowl (G1)/toys|Prowl (bubble package)]]
* 17. [[Skids (G1)|Autobot Skids]]
* 18. [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]]
* 19. [[Rollbar (G1)|Rollbar]]
* 20. [[Ricochet (Headmasters)|Ricochet]]
* 21. [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]]
* 22. [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]]
* 23. [[Camshaft (G1)|Autobot Camshaft]]
* 24. [[Nemesis Prime (G1)|Nemesis Prime]]
* 24. [[Rumble (G1)|Decepticon Rumble]]
* 25. [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage (Jaguar XK)]]
* 27. [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus]]
}}

===Star Wars/Transformers===
{{collist|3|
* [[Darth Vader|Anakin Skywalker]]/Jedi Starfighter (pencils)
* [[Boba Fett]]/Slave-1 (pencils)
* [[Chewbacca]]/Millennium Falcon
* [[Darth Vader]]/TIE Advanced Fighter
* [[Han Solo]]/Millennium Falcon
* [[Palpatine|Emperor Palpatine]]/Imperial Shuttle (pencils)
* [[Luke Skywalker]]/X-Wing Fighter
* [[Obi-Wan Kenobi]]/Jedi Starfighter
}}

===Transformers (2007)===
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Fast Action Battlers|Power Hook Optimus Prime]]

===Universe (2008)===
{{collist|3|
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]] (promotional)
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|25th Anniversary Optimus Prime]]
* [[Megatron (G1)/toys|Megatron]] (promotional)
* [[Prowl (G1)/toys|Prowl]]
* [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]]
* [[Octane|Tankor]]
* [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]]
}}

===Transformers Crossovers===
*[[Wolverine (superhero)|Wolverine]]
*[[Captain America]]

===Animated===
*[[Lugnut (Animated)|Atomic Lugnut]]
*[[Megatron (Animated)|Shadowblade Megatron]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)/toys|Optimus Prime]] vs [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] battle pack
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Samurai Prowl]]
*[[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Roadbuster Ultra Magnus]]
*[[Wasp|Waspinator]]
*[[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Wreck-Gar]]
*[[Jazz (Animated)|Freeway Jazz]]
*[[Soundwave (Animated)|Electrostatic Soundwave]]

===Revenge of the Fallen===
*

==Transformers licensing art==
*LOTS AND LOTS of licensing art

==Toy design==
===Universe (2003)===
* [[Roulette (Universe)|Roulette]] (head design)
* [[Shadow Striker (Universe)|Shadow Striker]] (head design)

===Beast Wars===
* [[Megatron (BW)/toys|BW 10th Anniversary Megatron]]
* [[Optimus Primal/toys|BW 10th Anniversary Optimus Primal]]

===Transformers (2007)===
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Cyber Stompin' Bumblebee]]

===Robot Heroes===
* All ''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]'' figures

===Transformers Crossovers===
*[[Wolverine (superhero)|Wolverine]]
*[[Captain America]]

===Universe (2008)===
*[[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]]

==Character designs==
===Transformers: War for Cybertron (DS)===
* [[Dragstrip (WFC)|Dragstrip]]
* [[Motormaster (WFC)|Motormaster]]
* [[Ultra Magnus (WFC)|Ultra Magnus]]
* [[Hot Shot (WFC)|Hot Shot]]

==Comic/story book art==
===Dreamwave===
* ''[[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More Than Meets The Eye]]'' (G1) #4
* ''More Than Meets The Eye'' (G1) #5
* ''More Than Meets The Eye'' (G1) #6
* ''More Than Meets The Eye'' (G1) #7
* ''[[More than Meets the Eye: Transformers: Armada|More Than Meets The Eye]]'' (Armada) #2
* ''[[Transformers: Energon (comic)|Energon]]'' [[No Exit|#30]]

===3H===
* ''[[Transformers: Universe (comic)|Universe]]'' [[Homecoming (Universe)|#3]] (select pages)

===IDW===
* ''[[The Transformers: Spotlight |Spotlight]]'' [[Spotlight: Soundwave|Soundwave]], [[Spotlight: Grimlock|Grimlock]], [[Spotlight: Metroplex|Metroplex]]
* ''[[The Transformers: Megatron Origin|Megatron Origin]]'' [[Megatron Origin issue 2|#2]] (select pages)
* ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars Sourcebook|Beast Wars Sourcebook]]'' #1, #2 (select pages)
* ''[[The Transformers: Maximum Dinobots|Maximum Dinobots]]'' (B covers)
* ''[[Spotlight: Metroplex]] interiors, cover A
* ''[[Transformers Animated: The Arrival|Transformers: Animated - The Arrival]]'' [[The Arrival issue 2|#2 (on "Whatever Happened To Whatisname?")]],
* ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac|The AllSpark Almanac]]'' cover
* ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|The AllSpark Almanac II]]'' cover
* ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (comic)| War for Cybertron]]'' cover

===Harper Collins/Harper Entertainment/Harper Festival===
* ''[[Transformers: The Movie Storybook]]''
* ''[[Rise of the Decepticons|Transformers: Revenge of The Fallen: Rise of the Decepticons]]''
* ''[[Satellite Meltdown|Transformers: Hunt for the Decepticons: Satellite Meltdown]]''

===Titan Magazines UK===
* [[Transformers Comic issue 6]] (Movie Jazz story)
* [[Transformers Comic issue 13]] (Twilight's Last Gleaming, Part: 4)

===Hasbro===

* [[Unit:E (issue)|Unit:E]] (pages 8-9)

==Convention Appearances==
* [[OTFCC 2003]]
* [[OTFCC 2004]]
* [[BotCon 2005]]
* [[BotCon 2006]]
* [[BotCon 2007]]
* [[BotCon 2008]]
* [[BotCon 2009]]
* [[BotCon 2011]]
* [[BotCon 2013]]

==Gallery==
<center><gallery>
Image:Allsparkalmanaccover.jpg|It's a dirty job but [[Ratchet (Animated)|someone's]] [[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac|gotta do it]].
Image:Squashed Sixshot.jpg|Think a chiropractor's going take on his [[Spotlight: Metroplex|case]]?
Image:Scorponok dies Energon.jpg|Taking [[No Exit|backstabbing]] to another direction.
</gallery>

*''[[:Category:Images by Marcelo Matere|Extended Marcelo Matere gallery]]''</center>

==Notes==
*The first piece of packaging artwork Marcelo did for [[Hasbro]] was ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' [[Swindle (Armada)|Swindle]].
* Matere was originally contracted to do 8 pages for [[Megatron Origin issue 4|''Megatron Origin'' #4]], which were drawn and submitted to IDW. However, apparently [[Alex Milne]] was also contracted to do those pages, and his versions were used instead.

==Footnotes==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
* [http://www.mmatere.com.br/ Marcelo Matere - Illustrator]
* [http://marcelomatere.deviantart.com/ Marcelo Matere at DeviantART.com]
* [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/interviews-27/tfw2005-interviews-transformers-comic-artist-marcelo-matere-166512/ Interview at TFW2005.com]

{{DEFAULTSORT:Matere, Marcelo}}
[[Category:Convention guests]]
[[Category:Designers]]
[[Category:Dreamwave Productions]]
[[Category:Hasbro]]
[[Category:Illustrators]]
[[Category:IDW Publishing]]

Casey Coller

2013-11-10T03:07:09Z

Blackrock: /* Convention appearances */

[[Image:CaseyColler headshot.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Living the dream]]
'''Casey Coller''' is an American comic book artist at [[IDW Publishing]]. He landed the gig to work for IDW after winning first place in IDW's comic cover contest. His first cover was an homage to the "Killing Joke" #1 cover. He currently provides variant covers for Robots In Disguise and occasionally More Than Meets the Eye.
{{--}}
==Comic book art==
===IDW Publishing===
* ''[[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron]]'' [[All Hail Megatron issue 1|#1 (Apocalypse Comics exclusive cover)]], [[All Hail Megatron issue 5|#5 (pages 1-4 and Cover A)]], [[All Hail Megatron issue 6|#6 (Cover A)]], [[All Hail Megatron issue 7|#7 (Cover A)]] , [[All Hail Megatron issue 8|#8 (Cover A)]] , [[All Hail Megatron issue 9|#9 (Cover A)]] , [[All Hail Megatron issue 10|#10 (Cover A)]]
* ''[[The Transformers: Spotlight |Spotlight]]'' [[Spotlight: Blurr|#20 Blurr (interiors, Cover A)]], [[Spotlight: Drift|#22 Drift (interiors, Cover A, Cover RI)]], [[Spotlight: Cliffjumper|#23 Cliffjumper (Cover RI)]],
*''[[The Transformers: Ironhide]]'' [[The Iron Age|#1]], [[Iron in the Blood|#2]], [[Ironing Out the Details|#3]], [[Any Old Iron|#4]]
*''[[The Transformers (IDW)|The Transformers]]'' [[Pax Cybertronia (issue)|#31]]

===Titan Magazines===
*[[Transformers Comic issue 21]]

==Profile art==
*[[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]]
*[[Gyronian Sentry]]
*[[Jetstorm (G2)|Jetstorm]]
*[[Magnum]]
*[[Moonracer]]
*[[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]]
*[[Over-Run (G1)|Over-Run]]
*[[Runabout (G1)|Runabout]]
*[[Sprocket (G1)|Sprocket]]

==Text story illustrations==
*"[[A Team Effort]]"
*"[[Transhuman]]"
*''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus]]''

==Gallery==
<center>
<gallery>
Image:Magnum.jpg|
Image:AHM5 Trion.jpg|
Image:AHM15casey.jpg|
Image:SpotlightDrift Deadlockisdead.jpg|
</gallery>
*''[[:Category:Images by Casey Coller|Extended Casey Coller gallery]]''
</center>

==Convention appearances==
* [[BotCon 2011]]
* [[BotCon 2012]]
* [[BotCon 2013]]

==External links==
*[http://caliber316.deviantart.com/ Casey's deviantART page]

{{DEFAULTSORT:Coller, Casey}}
[[Category:Fandom]]
[[Category:Fun Publications]]
[[Category:IDW Publishing]]
[[Category:Illustrators]]
[[Category:Titan]]

Jim Sorenson

2013-11-10T03:05:41Z

Blackrock: /* Convention appearances */

{{factions|empire}}
{{disambig3.5|the real world [[human]]|his [[negative universe]] counterpart|Jim Sorenson (Animated)|Jim}}
[[Image:Jimsorrenson-evil genius.jpg|thumb|400px|]]

'''James M. Sorenson''', better known as '''Jim''', (born [[July 15]], [[1976]]) is a [[Los Angeles]]-based Transformers fan who freelances with [[IDW Publishing]]. Along with [[Bill Forster]], he restored and did layouts of character designs in the [[The Ark series|''Ark'' books]]. He also wrote the copy and compiled the material from fans and professionals like [[Andrew Hall]] (aka Hydra) and [[Bob Budiansky]]. In the course of compiling this material, he came across several original series notes, some of which (nicknames and extended biographies) he has made available to online forums. He is also an [[User:Jimsorenson| active participant]] on this wiki.

Prior to making the leap to pro, he had been a longtime fan, contributing to alt.toys.transformers as early as [[1994]]. He was perhaps best known for deciphering the [[Maximal]] and [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] [[Cybertronix|languages]] as used in the [[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]] show and making the text, in canonical order, available as a true-type font.<ref>[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_thread/thread/77395bc6a16258d7/b5bae9cb3dd23c81?lnk=gst&q=maximal+font#b5bae9cb3dd23c81 ATT Thread from 1999]</ref> In the late '90s, Sorenson created fonts based on [[Cybertronian languages| writing]] in "[[Cosmic Rust (episode)|Cosmic Rust]]" and "[[Decepticon Graffiti!]]"; in [[2007]], these fonts were [[Retcon|retroactively made official]] when they were incorporated into the [[AllSpark Wars]] Mini-ARG (Alternate Reality Game). The Autobot language was subsequently used by [[Burger King]]'s [[Transform Your Way]] contest. He also provided material used by [[Shout! Factory]] in their DVD releases.

== IDW ==
* ''[[Transformers: The Ark]]''
* ''[[Transformers: The Ark II]]''
* ''[[Transformers: The Complete Ark]]''
* ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac]]''
* ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II]]''
* ''[[Transformers: The Art of Prime]]''

==Convention appearances==
* [[BotCon 2008]]
* [[BotCon 2009]]
* [[BotCon 2010]]
* [[BotCon 2012]]
* [[Botcon 2013]]

==External links==
*Jim Sorenson's [http://boltax.blogspot.com/ blog]
*Jim Sorenson's [http://pics.livejournal.com/shortpacked/pic/001y40w0/g232 belt]

==References==
<references />

{{DEFAULTSORT:Sorenson, Jim}}

[[Category:Fandom]]
[[Category:Writers]]

Bill Forster

2013-11-10T03:04:49Z

Blackrock: /* Convention appearances */

{{disambig3.5|the real world [[human]]|his [[negative universe]] counterpart|Bill Forster (Animated)|Bill}}

[[Image:Bill Forster.jpg|thumb|right|200px|*cue Iron Maiden riff*]]
'''Bill Forster''' (born [[February 24]], [[1973]]) is an author and artist with [[IDW Publishing]]. Along with [[Jim Sorenson]], he restored and did layouts of character designs in the [[The Ark series|''Ark'' books]].

[[Image:Bill forster tattoo.jpg|left|100px|thumb|Forty-three species of parrots! Slugs! Nipples for men! Are we not in the hands of a lunatic?]]
He also, with full licensing from Hasbro, got a tattoo of [[Victory Leo]] as part of the television show called [[Wikipedia:LA Ink|''LA Ink'']] on [[Wikipedia:TLC (TV channel)|TLC]].<ref>[http://boltax.blogspot.com/2009/06/post-no-bills-premier-edition-la-ink.html Blog post describing his tattoo experience]</ref>. The original air date of Bill receiving the tattoo was [[August 20]], [[2009]].
{{--}}
== IDW ==
* ''[[Transformers: The Ark]]''
* ''[[Transformers: The Ark II]]''
* ''[[Transformers: The Complete Ark]]''
* ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac]]''
* ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II]]''

==Convention appearances==
* [[BotCon 2009]]
* [[BotCon 2010]]
* [[BotCon 2012]]
* [[Botcon 2013]]

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
*[http://www.formspring.me/BillForster Bill Forster at FormSpring]
*[http://www.billforster.deviantart.com/ Bill Forster on DeviantArt]
*[http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5S_W5aLP95o/Ty9MdULfAoI/AAAAAAAACkI/HNIi4B755Sk/s1600/Hasbro+Legal+Doc+-+LA+Inc+License.jpg Document granting Bill Forster the right to have a Hasbro character tattooed on him on LA Ink]

{{DEFAULTSORT:Forster, Bill}}

[[Category:Fandom]]
[[Category:Writers]]

John Barber

2013-11-10T03:03:58Z

Blackrock: /* Convention appearances */

{{disambig3|John}}
[[Image:JohnBarber.jpg|thumb|I am God's gift to continuity.]]
'''John Barber''' is a freelance comic book writer and senior editor of [[IDW Publishing]].

Before working for IDW, Barber published his own comics and also worked for [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]], editing ''[[Wolverine (superhero)|Wolverine]]'' comics, gaining familiarity with wrestling an erratic continuity. He then wrote all of IDW's ''[[Dark of the Moon (comics)|Dark of the Moon]]'' comics, as well as three prequels to the movies to reconcile [[Chris Ryall]], [[Simon Furman]] and [[Chris Mowry]]'s stories, [[Alan Dean Foster]]'s novels, the films themselves and character [[bio|bios]]!<ref>[[Andy Schmidt]] discusses Barber's challenge in an [http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=207021#207021 IDW thread].</ref>

He is currently the author of the ongoing comic title ''[[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise]]'' and editor of RID's sister ongoing, ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye]]''.

==Writer==
*''[[Transformers: Sector 7]]''
*''[[Transformers: Foundation]]''
*''[[Transformers: Rising Storm]]''
*''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon Movie Adaptation]]''
**''[[Transformers: Convergence]]'' (text story)
*[[Target]]'s ''Transformers'' pack-in comics, including ''[[Transformers: Jazz|Jazz]]'', ''[[Transformers: Space Case|Space Case]]'', ''[[Transformers: Ratchet|Ratchet]]'', ''[[Transformers: Bumblebee|Bumblebee]]'', ''[[Transformers: Arcee|Arcee]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Starscream|Starscream]]''
*''[[Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime]]'' (with [[James Roberts]])
*''[[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise]]''
*''[[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron (comic)|Transformers: Fall of Cybertron]]''
* ''[[The Transformers: Spotlight|The Transformers Spotlight]]: [[The Hunting Party (IDW)|Thundercracker]]''
* ''[[The Transformers: Spotlight|The Transformers Spotlight]]: [[The Question|Bumblebee]]''

==Convention appearances==
*[[BotCon 2012]]
*[[BotCon 2013]]

==Footnotes==
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==External links==
*[http://idwpublishing.com/news/article/1866/ Press release of Barber's promotion]
*[http://www.webcomicsnation.com/thejohnbarber/ Barber's page at The Comics Nation]
*[http://twitter.com/thejohnbarber Barber's Twitter]
*[http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=10303 Q&A with John Barber on IDW's forums]

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