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Elegant Chaos Part 2: Stet

2025-03-16T04:00:55Z

Bluestreak7: /* Featured characters */ no question about it. Roberts's script specifically says Roller

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|title="Elegant Chaos Part 2: Stet"
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|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[February 4]], [[2015]]
|coverdate=January 2015
|written by=[[James Roberts]]
|art by=[[Alex Milne]]
|colors by=[[Joana Lafuente]] [[Josh Burcham]] (pgs 7–8)
|letters by=[[Tom B. Long]]
|editor=[[John Barber]]
|continuity=[[2005 IDW continuity]]
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'''Rodimus's team continues their pursuit of Brainstorm through time, only to find that they are more involved in past events than expected—and that Brainstorm's goal is not what they believed it to be.'''

==Synopsis==
[[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rodimus]]'s team has followed [[Brainstorm (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Brainstorm]] back to [[Clampdown (event)|Clampdown]]-era [[Rodion]], and have spread out to search for the rogue scientist. While Rodimus watches for [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Orion Pax]] at the police station alongside [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]], he checks in with the others: [[Rewind (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rewind]] is surveying the city from his position on an airship; the bored [[Riptide (G1)|Riptide]] is watching the waterways; a nervous [[Chromedome (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Chromedome]] is riding the rails to avoid the risk of running into his past self; and [[Cyclonus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Cyclonus]] and [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] look down on the city from a nearby cliff. Emotionally moved by the sight of the pristine planet, unblemished by war, to the point that he is struck dumb, Cyclonus doesn't respond to Rodimus, so Tailgate takes the communicator and quickly makes up a story about having set down for repairs. After a moment of silence, Cyclonus apologizes to Tailgate for physically abusing him in the past.

Rodimus then calls [[Perceptor (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Perceptor]], who expresses concern over the fact that Rewind's database is being overwritten, as it implies that Brainstorm's alteration to the timeline may have already happened, or is destined to. As such, if they cannot stop him, Perceptor must dismantle the time machine to undo the paradox, warning that many things could "go wrong". Reminded by those words that he had forgotten about [[Rung (G1)|Rung]], Rodimus contacts the psychotherapist, who is staking out [[Maccadam's Old Oil House|Maccadam's New Oil House]]. Unfortunately, Brainstorm is also watching the bar, and when he spots Rung building a model of the ''[[Lost Light]]'', he realizes that he has been followed back in time and abandons his plans. Brainstorm's flight is spotted by Rewind, and Cyclonus gives chase, but just before he can land a missile-hit, Brainstorm's [[time case|briefcase]] activates and he time-jumps away. At Perceptor's instruction, the team regroups at Maccadam's, and he sends them after their quarry.

[[File:Stet-Rungwhistle.jpg|thumb|left|upright=0.8]]
Arriving one year further in the past, in 4th Cycle 499, the team are contacted by Perceptor and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ultra Magnus]], who believe that Maccadam's is important, and that the deductions they made about Brainstorm's plans may have been hasty. Accordingly, the group splits in two: Chromedome, Rewind, and Whirl head for the police station while the rest remain at the bar. But Brainstorm has gone to neither, and is, in fact, at a wellbeing clinic several miles away, where he ambushes and knocks out the Rung of the past...

Later at the police station again, Chromedome and Rewind spend time stargazing, but Rewind is preoccupied with thoughts of the unknown fate of [[Dominus Ambus]]. He proposes using the time-case to finally discover what befell his former [[Conjunx Endura]], but Chromedome worries that he will want to change history and save Dominus's life, which would mean that his and Rewind's relationship would never happen. Before they can discuss those unfortunate ramifications too deeply, Whirl alerts them to the arrival of his own past self at the station. This day being so important in his life, Whirl is able to recognize the 'nobody' he's bringing in as being [[Crossbar]], and then realizes what specific day it is — the day [[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]] is arrested.

Back at Maccadam's, the rest of the team watch the younger Megatron and [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]] sitting at a nearby table. When Rung goes to fetch a [[curly straw]] for Tailgate, however, he accidentally knocks over a jumped-up cadet's drink, and winds up being thrown into Megatron and Impactor's table when he refuses to clean up the mess. This instigates the famous bar-room brawl that leads to Megatron's arrest, and as the ''Lost Light''ers make themselves scarce, Brainstorm, looking on from outside, grimaces at the realization his attempt to prevent it by incapacitating the past-Rung has failed.

[[File:Stet-Heavies&Friend.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6]]
A few hours later, at the police station, after Megatron has been arrested and subsequently released by Pax, the [[Senate]]'s goon squad arrives for payback and kills officers [[Springarm]] and [[Wheelarch]]. Chromedome refuses to let Rewind intervene, regrettably understanding that history must be preserved, but is too slow to stop the deranged Whirl leaping into the fray when three new thugs come stomping up—including the [[Heavies]], who destroyed Whirl's life when they wrecked his watchmaking business. Hungry for revenge, Whirl takes the two huge 'bots down with violent ease; Chromedome intervenes before he can kill them, reminding Whirl that they ''have'' to live, so that Chromedome can have his own encounter with them in a year's time. Whirl justifies his actions by explaining his history with the Heavies... a history which is then elaborated upon by Hammer, who tells Whirl that the pair acted on the orders of the [[Functionist Council]], who wanted him punished him for abandoning his assigned job in the Aerial Corps, and who were also responsible for his later [[empurata]]. With icy detachment, Whirl vents his rage by [[Sparkeater Gun|shooting]] the third 'bot, who is unfamiliar to him, but whom he deems guilty by association.

Back in the present, on the ''Lost Light'', Perceptor discovers that time has ceased to flow in all other parts of the universe, indicating the imminent collapse of the original timeline. Studying the dates Rodimus's team has travelled to, Megatron realizes that they have been working on a flawed principle: the dates correspond to major events in ''Megatron's'' life, not Orion Pax's. It is Megatron's life that Brainstorm is trying to unmake... and even as Ultra Magnus's internal criminal database is overwritten, and Megatron disappears from his records, in the past, Brainstorm appears at the moment of Megatron's creation, and levels his weapons at the once and future Decepticon leader's half-built form...
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==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
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* [[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rodimus]] (1)
* [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] (2)
* [[Rewind (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rewind]] (3)
* [[Riptide (G1)|Riptide]] (5)
* [[Chromedome (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Chromedome]] (6)
* [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] (8)
* [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ultra Magnus]] (9)
* [[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]] (10)
* [[Perceptor (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Perceptor]] (11)
* [[Rung (G1)|Rung]] (14)
|c2=
* [[Brainstorm (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Brainstorm]] (15)
|c4=
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'''Present day'''
* [[Cyclonus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Cyclonus]] (7)

'''Earlier timeframe - 51st Cycle 500'''
* [[Proteus (G1)|Proteus]] (Billboard, 4)
* [[Quark]] (12)
* [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] (13)
* "[[Streaker]]" (16)
* [[Sherma]]'s corpse (17)
* "[[Fallout (G1)|Fallout]]" (18)
* [[Scrounge (G1)|Scrounge]] (19)

'''Even earlier timeframe - 4th Cycle 499'''
* Rung (20)
* [[Crossbar]] (21)
* Whirl (22)
* Megatron (23)
* [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]] (24)
* Cadets (25-26)
* [[Valve]]? (27)
* [[Roller (IDW)|Roller]] (28)
* Visored green and indigo thug (29)
* [[Wheelarch]]'s head (30)
* [[Springarm]] (31)
* White and mauve thug (32)
* [[Heavies|Anvil]] (33)
* Future [[Sparkeater (creature)|Sparkeater]] thug (34)
* [[Heavies|Hammer]] (35)

'''Earliest timeframe - 1st Cycle 012'''
* Megatron's unfinished body (36)

{{!}}}
}}

==Quotes==
"You said the station was always busy. You said—" 
"I '''said''' it was a '''non-stop cop shop'''. An' I only said '''that''' 'cos it '''rhymed'''." 
"I can't tell if you're joking." 
"Welcome to the club."
:—'''Rodimus''' and '''Whirl'''

''Tailgate, after taking the communicator from Cyclonus and covering for his silence to Rodimus:'' 
"Is it the time travel? 'Cos I'm only just wrapping my head around it myself. I mean, '''think about it''': I'm somewhere out there right now, buried underground. Me! Underground! Right now! Me! The way I see it, you just have to accept what's happening as something that's... happening. And I think that's true of so many things in life." 
"It's beautiful." 
"Oh! Rodion." 
"Cybertron." 
"Yes, well, umm..drink it in, I guess." 
"It's been so '''long'''. So long since I saw it as it '''should''' be seen." 
''Both stare at the beauty of the city, then Cyclonus glances down at Tailgate'' 
"I'm sorry." 
"Noted." 

"No offense, but you couldn't draw attention to yourself if you '''tried'''. Even '''mirrors''' ignore you."
:—'''Rodimus''', to Rung

"Okay, as entrances go, that was only '''slightly''' less conspicuous than projecting "'''Your Attention Please'''" on a mushroom cloud."
:—'''Chromedome''' on the team's arrival in 4th Cycle 499

"Rodimus? It's Ultra Magnus speaking." 
"Listen, whatever I've done, it was an accident and I'm sorry." 
"The '''big picture:''' Brainstorm trying to kill Pax. We drew it at speed because we '''had to'''. But the more we look at it, the less it makes sense." 
"Magnus, the '''last''' thing I want to do is dissuade you from exploring the power of metaphor, but I really don't have the remotest idea what you're talking about."
:—'''Ultra Magnus''' and '''Rodimus'''

'''Rodimus:''' "The back door's this way. No one make eye contact with anybody. Especially not you, Tailgate." 
'''Tailgate:''' "Why especially not me?" 
'''Rodimus:''' "Because you've got one of those faces." 
'''Tailgate:''' "What's wrong with my face?" 
'''Rodimus:''' "It's basically a '''punch magnet.'''" 
'''Tailgate:''' "So '''rude!''' Cyclonus, did you hear that?" 
'''Cyclonus:''' "No. Was it about your face?"

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
* ''Elegant Chaos'' is the third part of a trilogy of flashback stories, following ''Chaos Theory'' and ''Shadowplay''.<ref>[http://www.transmissionspodcast.com/2015/03/transmissions-episode-94-james-roberts-mtmte-elegant-chaos-interview/ TransMissions Episode 94 – James Roberts MTMTE Elegant Chaos Interview] 36:00 to 36:07</ref>
[[File:Ongoing22 MaccadamsNewOilHouse.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6]]
* The first time period our heroes jump to is that of the first chapter of the "Shadowplay" trilogy, from [[Shadowplay, Part 1: Post Hoc|issue #9]], while the second is that of the first part of "Chaos Theory", from [[Chaos Theory Part 1|issue #21]] of the [[The Transformers (IDW)|2009-2011 ongoing series]]. Two pages from each issue are reprinted in context.
* The billboard-airship that Rewind hitches a lift on was seen in issue #9, and can be seen again in the reprinted pages.
* Cyclonus apologises for kicking Tailgate back in [[Life After the Big Bang|issue #4]].
* We get another look at "Magnus-vision", the way Magnus sees the world around him, seen before in [[Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations|the 2012 annual]].
* As Brainstorm flies away from Maccadam's, we see two 'bots carrying a body along the bridge below him. The corpse is that of [[Sherma|Senator Sherma]], who is about to be hung from the bridge, as we saw in issue #9; logically, it would follow that the two 'bots carrying it are the unnamed killers from [[Shadowplay, Part 2: Patternism|issue #10]], before their [[spark]]s are implanted in the bodies of [[Streaker]] and [[Fallout (G1)|Fallout]].
* Rung has previously been described as a "historical constant" by Rewind in [[Shadowplay (Conclusion): An Intimate Beheading|issue #11]], because of his presence at many important points in Cybertronian history. It now appears that this reputation is partly a product of the present-day Rung travelling back in time to these points in time, rather than his just happening to be there in the regular flow of history—we find out this issue that the Rung who appeared in the past sequences in "Chaos Theory" and "Shadowplay" were both the present-day Rung, in turn validating last issue's implication that the actions Rodimus's team are taking are and were always part of the timeline they knew.
* In-keeping with that, now we know why Rung didn't have any memory of the bar-room brawl when Megatron brought it up back in [[World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|issue #28]] - for him, it hadn't happened yet.
* Previously, issue 9's scene of Rung assembling a model of the ''Lost Light'' seemed to imply a history to the ship, which was further hinted at when Nightbeat appeared to recognize the vessel in [[...And the Damage Done: Dark Cybertron Finale|''Dark Cybertron Finale'']]. Now we understand that Nightbeat was remembering the model and recognizing its anachronistic nature.
* Past-Rung's scooter is his wheeled backpack, which we learned was a separate attachment back in [[Little Victories|issue #22]].
* The song that past-Rung whistles as Brainstorm ambushes him is "[[The Empyrean Suite]]", the enigmatic piece of music with sinister connotations of which we are not yet aware, previously mentioned in issues [[Scavengers (Part 2): Who's Afraid of the DJD?|#8]] and [[The Gloaming|#16]]. The notes in Rung's speech balloon match those when Swerve played the tune in #16.
* Chromedome and Rewind stargaze, imagining constellations in the shape of Prowl being beaten up, a habit of theirs mentioned in issue #16.
* Rewind brings up his and [[Dominus Ambus]]'s search for [[Moonbase One|Luna 1]], originally discussed in [[Before & After|issue #12]].
* The cadets mock Rung, sarcastically asking "Who are you, then? One of the '''[[Knights of Cybertron]]'''? The last of the [[Progenitor]]s? [[Alpha Trion (G1)#2005 IDW continuity|Alpha Trion]]'s long-lost [[Relatives|spark brother]]?" Turns out he's [[Primus#2005 IDW continuity|literally God]].
* Rung groans "always the head" after he gets clobbered, hearkening back to the grave cranial injuries he took in [[Interiors|issue #6]].
* When the police arrive to break up the bar fight, the vehicle they arrive in appears to be [[Roller (IDW)|Roller]], or at least a 'bot with his [[alternate mode]]. The policebots themselves share a [[body-type]] with [[Springarm]] and [[Wheelarch]].
* The Heavies and their history with Whirl were originally introduced in issue #6. Chromedome's encounter with them took place in [[Shadowplay (Conclusion): An Intimate Beheading|issue #11]], in which they, [[Kroma]] and [[Macabre]] raided the police station in order to capture [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Senator Shockwave]]. In the issue, [[Kroma]] noted in passing that Shockwave's whereabouts had been revealed through a tip-off from parties unknown; the Heavies go conspicuously ''un''-mindwiped at the end of this story, and hear Chromedome tell Whirl about the attack and Shockwave's presence. Could ''they'' have been the source of the information?
* Whirl kills the Heavies' unnamed cohort (who we've never seen before, for retroactively obvious reasons) with [[Sparkeater Gun|the curious weapon]] he took from Brainstorm's armory last issue.
* We learn that last issue's events, in 1st Cycle 502, took place on the same day as [[Megatron Origin issue 1|''Megatron Origin'' #1]].
* Though he has always been unforthcoming about his origins, we know that Megatron, as a [[Point One Percenter]], should have a green spark, but the one seen inside his half-built frame on the final page of this issue is the traditional blue. However, we ''very'' much doubt that's an error...

===Transformers references===
* Rodimus keeps his eye on the Rodion police station using a telescopic visor that slides down out of his helmet over his eyes, just like the one he used to zoom in on the captured shuttle in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''.
* A generic working the waterway is colored like [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]].
* The train track that Chromedome rides is labelled "C-131", the [[List of Japanese ID numbers|Japanese ID number]] of [[Raiden]], combined form of the [[Trainbot|''TRAIN''bots]].

===Real-life references===
* This issue's title, "Stet", is a Latin word meaning "let it stand", used in proofreading to indicate that a previously marked change is to be ignored, much like Brainstorm's attempts to change time.
* When trying to recall Quark's name, Rung believes it might be "{{w|QWERTY|Qwerty}}", after the most common modern-day keyboard layout.
* The address of Rung's wellbeing clinic is NX-74205, the registry number of the [[memoryalpha:USS Defiant (2370)|USS ''Defiant'']] on ''[[Star Trek|Star Trek: Deep Space Nine]]''.
* To add even more to the image of [[Jesus]] established in #21 of this series in which he's literally crucified for the sins of others, Rodimus refers to the past in which he was not born yet as P.R: Pre-Rodimus, similar to how we refer to everything that happened before year 1 as B.C: Before Christ.
* The reprint of ''Chaos Theory'' and ''Shadowplay'' scenes was inspired by ''[[Back to the Future|Back to the Future Part II]]'', which showed scenes from the first film from a different angle.

===Errors===
* The credits on the inside front cover mistakenly claim that the reprinted pages of Megatron and Rung's bar-room escapades are from [[Space Opera Act 2: Out of the Silent Planet|issue #20]] of the ongoing, rather than #22.
* On the same page, Kotteri's variant cover (see below) is listed as a "30th Anniversary cover", but the 30th anniversary is over; per the [[Onyx Interface Part Three: ONoffON|''The Transformers'' #37]], the third variant should be back to being a "retailer incentive" cover.
* The bar brawl and Megatron's arrest are dated here to 4th Cycle 499; issue #28 previously gave a date of 4th Cycle 496 for those same events.
* On page 5, panel 5 Percy is missing his microscope mount.

===Other trivia===
[[Image:Stet WhirlPreEmpurataFlashback.jpg|thumb|upright=0.6|right|You're broken… [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|I]] can fix it.]]
* Originally intended for release in January 2015, month-long delays afflicting multiple IDW titles saw this issue pushed to the first week of February.
* The pages reprinted from previous issues are included in addition to the regular 22 pages of story, making for a 26-page story.
* This issue features the first visible instance of Whirl's original, pre-Empurata face.
* Roberts had vaguely planned for a "Let's Kill Hitler" time-travel story for ages but Megatron becoming captain turned it into a more "multi-layered" story.<ref>[http://www.transmissionspodcast.com/2015/03/transmissions-episode-94-james-roberts-mtmte-elegant-chaos-interview/ TransMissions Episode 94 – James Roberts MTMTE Elegant Chaos Interview] 43:20 to 44:10</ref>
{{-}}

===Soundtrack===
* "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WMjwlRhjGY Where Damage Isn't Already Done]" by {{w|The Radio Dept.}}<ref>{{citesocial|quote=MTMTE #37. Song #1: 'Where Damage Isn't Already Done' by the Radio Dept. https://t.co/GVscxFMfEl|link=https://twitter.com/jroberts332/status/560590822417367040|name=James Roberts|site=Twitter|year=2015|month=01|day=29|(defunct=)}}</ref>
* "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPUrWmajIP4 The Certainty of Chance]" by {{w|The Divine Comedy (band)|The Divine Comedy}}<ref>{{citesocial|quote=MTMTE #37. Song #2: The Certainty of Chance by the Divine Comedy https://t.co/8oDPBALH23 (100+ musicians on this one, not that size matters)|link=https://twitter.com/jroberts332/status/560591817847345153|name=James Roberts|site=Twitter|year=2015|month=01|day=29|(defunct=)}}</ref>
* "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2NaqB_aVgI The Psychiatrist Is In]" from {{w|God Help the Girl}}<ref>{{citesocial|quote=MTMTE #37. Song/clip #3: 'The Psychiatrist Is In' - a scene from God Help The Girl: https://t.co/ssPOa0VIAZ|link=https://twitter.com/jroberts332/status/560594060902408193|name=James Roberts|site=Twitter|year=2015|month=01|day=29|(defunct=)}}</ref>
* "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaxpAhDPboI A Europewide Search for Love]" by {{w|Ballboy (band)|Ballboy}}<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Here's another song to accompany Wednesday's issue. It's sad but uplifting, which is what I want MTMTE to be: https://t.co/Uyz60VaMzf|link=https://twitter.com/jroberts332/status/562346415645814784|name=James Roberts|site=Twitter|year=2015|month=02|day=02|(defunct=)}}</ref>

===Foreign Localization===
'''Swedish'''
* ''Title:'' "'''Sofistikerat kaos del 2: Låt stå'''" ("Sophisticated Chaos Part 2: Stet")

===Covers (3)===
* '''Regular cover:''' Impactor, by [[Alex Milne]] and [[Josh Perez]]
* '''Subscription cover:''' The Heavies, by [[Nick Roche]] and [[Josh Burcham]]
* '''Retailer incentive cover:''' Skids, Cyclonus, and a glum Tailgate enjoy a drink, by [[Kotteri]]

<gallery>
File:MTMTE37 regcvr.jpg|Impactor's about to screw someone.
File:MTMTE37 subcvr.jpg|Heavy describe more than their personalities.
File:MTMTE37 cvrRI.jpg|Tailgate just got the bill.
</gallery>

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* ''Machi Koro'' (back cover)

===Reprints===
* '''''The Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye Volume 7''''' ([[May 13]], [[2015]]) ISBN 1631403273 / ISBN 978-1631403279
** Collects ''More than Meets the Eye'' issues #34–38.
** Bonus material includes covers of each issue.
** Trade paperback format.

* '''''[[The Transformers: The IDW Collection Phase Two: Volume 8]]''''' ([[December 5]], [[2018]]) ISBN 1684053722 / ISBN 978-1684053728
** Collects ''More than Meets the Eye'' issues #35–38 & #39–40, [[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|''The Transformers'' (2012)]] issues [[Onyx Interface Part One: Signals, Calls, and Marches|#35]]–[[The Onyx Interface Conclusion: The Obliterati|38]], ''[[The Transformers: Punishment|Punishment]]'' issues [[City of Steel (issue)|#1]]–[[Forever Is a Long Time Coming (issue)|5]], and ''[[The Transformers: Drift - Empire of Stone|Drift - Empire of Stone]]'' issues [[Drift - Empire of Stone issue 1|#1]]–[[Drift - Empire of Stone issue 4|4]].
** Hardcover format.

* '''''[[Transformers: The Definitive G1 Collection]]: Volume 63: Elegant Chaos''''' ([[June 12]], [[2019]])
** Collects ''More than Meets the Eye'' issues #35–42.
** Bonus material includes a cover gallery and a forward by [[Simon Furman]].
** Hardcover format.

* '''''Transformers: Du sköna nya värld''''' ([[November]], [[2022]])
** Collects ''More than Meets the Eye'' issues #28–38 & #40.
** Swedish reprint. Hardcover format.

<gallery>
File:MTMTE vol7.jpg|'''''More Than Meets the Eye Volume 7''''' – cover art by [[Alex Milne]] and [[Josh Perez]]
File:IDWCollectionP2V8.jpg|'''''The IDW Collection Phase Two: Volume 8''''' – cover art by [[Marcelo Matere]] and [[Tom B. Long]]
File:DefinitiveG1Collection v63.jpg|'''''The Definitive G1 Collection: Volume 63: Elegant Chaos''''' – cover art by [[Don Figueroa]] (Trailbreaker) and Alex Milne (retro)
File:MTMTE SWE 04.jpg|'''''Du sköna nya värld''''' – cover art by [[Casey Coller]] and [[Joana Lafuente]]
</gallery>

==References==
{{Reflist}}

==External links==
* [http://tformers.com/comics-preview-the-transformers-more-than-meets-the-eye-issue-37/25786/news.html Preview]

Elegant Chaos Part 1: All Our Parlous Yesterdays

2025-03-12T02:45:16Z

Bluestreak7: /* Other trivia */

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'''A squad of ''Lost Light''ers led back through time by Rodimus aids Orion Pax's team of outlaws in defending a hot spot against the machinations of the Senate.'''

==Synopsis==
Four million years ago, in the [[Alyon]] region of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Orion Pax]], [[Roller (IDW)|Roller]], and their gang of [[Outlier (group)|outliers]] defend a recently ignited [[hot spot (phenomenon)|hot spot]] against repeated incursions from [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]'s [[Elite Guard]]. As the Guardsmen flee from their latest failed attempt, Roller decides to help them on their way by transforming to [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]] and ramming them—but after doing so, his trailer section unexpectedly erupts with light, and opens to reveal [[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rodimus]], [[Rung (G1)|Rung]], [[Cyclonus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Cyclonus]], [[Riptide (G1)|Riptide]], [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]], [[Chromedome (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Chromedome]], [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]], and [[Rewind (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rewind]]!

''A short time earlier—relatively speaking—aboard the ''[[Lost Light]]'' in the present day, Rodimus gathers his team together and explains, with help from [[Perceptor (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Perceptor]], that [[Brainstorm (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Brainstorm]] has travelled into the past to kill Orion Pax. After travelling to [[Messatine]] as an apparent calibration exercise for his time machine, Brainstorm has now relocated himself to Cybertron; using autobiographical data on Optimus Prime from Rewind's database, the team concludes that he will be in Alyon, and they prepare to depart, with [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] gleefully raiding Brainstorm's armory for the mission.''

[[File:Trailbreaker all our parlous yesterdays.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.6]]
After a few moments of tense confusion, Rodimus's team establishes a cover story for themselves, pretending to be reinforcements teleported in to help Pax by [[Zeta Prime (G1)|Zeta]]. Recognizing Chromedome from their previous meeting, Pax accepts the team and brings them back to his squad's dugout, where he explains their belief that Sentinel and the Senate are attempting to destroy the hot spot—the first to ignite in a million years, and curiously shaped like a hand—in order to prevent the [[Functionist Council]] from exploiting it as proof of [[Primus]] and strengthening their waning hold over the public. Cyclonus observes a mysterious platform floating over the hot spot, which Pax explains is apparently a monitoring station that arrived the previous evening; their conversation is chimed in on by [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]], who has just risen from the camp's [[recharge slab]].

As everyone talks amongst themselves, Rodimus, taken aback by Trailbreaker's appearance, secretly takes him aside and, without telling him anything ''outright'', warns him of the circumstances of his future death on [[Ofsted XVII]] in order to prevent it from happening. Rung talks with Roller, tasting the "juicebox" the heavyweight 'bot always carries with him, only to realize Roller has added the [[circuit speeder]] [[C32]] to the drink. Roller solemnly claims he requires the boost to keep up with the Outliers, and that Pax only keeps him around because they're friends. [[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]] calls via the "[[time phone]]" communicator Rodimus has brought with him, but as Rodimus is busy with Trailbreaker, Orion is the one who answers. Pretending to be his younger self, Megatron has a conversation with the young police officer, whose optimism for the future is a mixed source of both affirmation and tragic amusement to Megatron. Rodimus returns from his talk with Trailbreaker and takes up the call, receiving a status update from Megatron that indicates a notable amount of background radiation is leaking through the [[quantum generator]]s from the past to the present. This causes Rodimus to believe that the senate's "monitoring station" is actually bombarding the hot spot with radiation in an attempt to sterilize it, but when he reveals this to the group, Rewind is able to use his database—altered to contain data from [[Functionist Universe|the alternate timeline]] that Brainstorm has created—to uncover the full story. The Senate are not trying to ''sterilize'' the hot spot with radiation: they're trying to ''mutate'' it, to find a way to artificially create outliers.

[[File:AllOurParlousYesterdays-Roller.jpg|thumb|upright=2]]
Now aware of the true threat, everyone heads outside, where Orion has Trailbreaker shield the hot spot with a forcefield. In response, the floating platform unveils a weapons array and opens fire on them. While Whirl and Cyclonus take to the air to combat the platform, Roller storms into the middle of the hot spot, risking his life to use a small mobile teleporter to send each [[spark]], one by one, to a safehouse in [[Nyon]]. Amid the chaos, Perceptor calls Rodimus with the news that Brainstorm has time-jumped again, further into the past; Rodimus refuses to let his team be sent after the renegade scientist yet, intent on seeing the sparks saved. In preparation, though, he checks with Chromedome on the modifications he has been making to his [[mnemosurgery]] needles—which will allow him to wipe the last few sub-cycles of a 'bot's memories via a simple handshake—and orders him not to touch Trailbreaker. Just then, Roller is caught by a blast from the weapons platform, and Orion determines to end things immediately: he has Trailbreaker wrap a forcefield tight around him, then has [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]] magnetically hurl him into the air, right through the weapons platform, crippling it and causing it to explode.

A short time later, the remaining sparks have all been teleported to safety, but Roller is still missing despite Pax's insistence that they continue searching for him. Their greater mission unable to be put off any longer, Rodimus's team says farewell, with a handshake from Chromedome wiping each 'bot's memory of the encounter. Trailbreaker refuses to let them leave without a handshake of his own, though, so despite the alarmed Rodimus's attempt to stop him, he too loses his memories, including the life-saving warning Rodimus gave him. Rodimus's team are forgotten as soon as they have time-jumped away... but they are not the only ones forgotten, as Trailbreaker picks up Roller's discarded juicebox, and, unable to remember the fate of its owner, suggests they all go for a drink.
{{--}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Orion Pax]] (4)
* [[Riptide (G1)|Riptide]] (6)
* [[Rung (G1)|Rung]] (7)
* [[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rodimus]] (9)
* [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] (10)
* [[Chromedome (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Chromedome]] (11)
* [[Rewind (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rewind]] (12)
* [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] (13)
* [[Perceptor (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Perceptor]] (14)
* [[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]] (15)
* [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ultra Magnus]] (16)
|c4=
'''Present day'''
* [[Cyclonus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Cyclonus]] (8)

'''Past - 1st Cycle 502'''
* [[Roller (IDW)|Roller]] (1)
* [[Tarn (G1)|Damus/Glitch]] (2)
* [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] (3)
* [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]] (5)
* [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]] (17)
}}

==Quotes==
"Hold on. Let's be '''absolutely clear''' about this. You're just given me permission to take '''whatever I like''' from Brainstorm's forbidden toy box? Even the '''experimental stuff'''—the stuff that '''unsettles''' people?" 
"No, I--" 
"''Shhh.'' On second thought, let's keep it '''ambiguous.'''"
:—'''Whirl''' and '''Rodimus'''

"How '''was''' Messatine?" 
"I worry it '''changed me.'''" 
"I'm sure it did. We're all of us the sum of our experiences." 
"Yes, but "the sum" implies an accumulation—an '''aggregation.''' What if something gets '''taken away?''' And how would you know if it has?" 
"I'm not sure I follow." 
"I know who I am, Orion, but I don't necessarily know who I '''was.''' I find it hard to compare the two."
:—'''Orion Pax''' and '''Megatron'''

"If I may... before you go..." 
"What?" 
"You sound '''lost.'''" 
"Lost? Oh, it's far worse than that. Ha! No, no. No, I know '''exactly''' where I'm going. I don't know if I could turn back now even, if I wanted to." 
"You could always join us. Join me. Why is that funny?" 
"It's not funny at all. It's '''tragic.'''" 
"Well then? Will you join us?" 
"I think so. Eventually."
:—'''Orion Pax''' and '''Megatron'''

"If you're going to kill '''newborns''' you'd want to do it '''discreetly.'''" 
"Cyclonus! That's an '''awful''' thing to say!" 
"I'm not '''endorsing''' it!" 
"It's still awful."
:—'''Cyclonus''' and '''Tailgate'''

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
* ''Elegant Chaos'' is the third part of a trilogy of flashback stories, following ''Chaos Theory'' and ''Shadowplay''.<ref>[http://www.transmissionspodcast.com/2015/03/transmissions-episode-94-james-roberts-mtmte-elegant-chaos-interview/ TransMissions Episode 94 – James Roberts MTMTE Elegant Chaos Interview] 36:00 to 36:07</ref>
* The past era seen in this issue falls between "Shadowplay" (issues [[Shadowplay, Part 1: Post Hoc|#9]]-[[Shadowplay (Conclusion): An Intimate Beheading|11]]) and ''[[The Transformers: Megatron Origin|Megatron: Origin]]''. As noted at various points during the issue, Pax is now working with Zeta and on the run from [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] following the events of "Shadowplay", while Megatron has been relocated from [[Messatine]] (seen in [[Births, Deaths, and Interventions|issue #34]]) to [[Mining Outpost C-12|Croteus 12]], ahead of the events of ''Megatron: Origin''.
* [[Empurata]] victim Glitch (here revealed to have the real name of "Damus") has had his claw-hands replaced with proper ones since we last saw him in issue #11.
* Roller is sucking on a [[Kremzeek]] juice box, which we saw him doing back in [[Shadowplay, Part 2: Patternism|issue #10]]; originally an idea for that issue by artist Alex Milne, James Roberts liked it so much he decided to work it into the development of Roller's character.
* The Elite Guardsmen that Pax and Windcharger wrestle with have the same design as the unpleasant fellow that Megatron kills in [[Megatron Origin issue 1|''Megatron: Origin'' #1]] as well as [[Gasket]]'s killers from [[The Transformers: Drift|''Drift'' #2]].
* As restated this issue, we learned last month that Brainstorm's time machine is coded to work only with his spark type. We've never been told Brainstorm's type, but most of the characters assembled are "Vitreous-Positive"; we learned that Rewind, Chromedome and Whirl shared this type in [[Before & After|issue #12]], and that Riptide shared it in [[Twenty Plus One|issue #31]]. Rodimus and Rung's types are unknown, ''but'', as we also learned in issue #31, Tailgate and Cyclonus are "Ferrum-Negative". This means that characters of at least ''two'' spark types have somehow used the machine—keep that in mind in [[Elegant Chaos Part 3: Predestination: An Expert's Guide|Part 3]]...
* Chromedome and Brainstorm's shared history at the [[Institute|New Institute]] has been touched upon before in [[Remembrance Day|issue #14]] and [[The Reluctant Specialist|''Spotlight: Trailcutter'']].
* Riptide expresses his dislike of exams, as introduced in issue #31.
* Rodimus makes a crack about "brain bullets"; this was a recurring phrase in ''[[The Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers|Last Stand of the Wreckers]]'', in reference to [[cerebro-sensitive bullet]]s.
* Upon seeing the Autobot symbol, Pax assumes Rodimus and the others work for the Senate; the Senate's enforcers were using the symbol as their own in ''Megatron: Origin'', though ''[[Omega's Conundrum|Spotlight: Orion Pax]]'' would later retcon it into being a symbol from ancient Cybertronian history.
* Pax met Chromedome in issue #10, though issue #14 would later reveal Chromedome was then known as Tumbler. This issue reveals the cause of Chromedome and [[Prowl (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Prowl]]'s "break-up", as Prowl decided to join Sentinel's security forces; Prowl was shown to be among the security forces in ''Megatron: Origin'' #1.
* The Skids of the past is quick to identify the hand-shaped hot spot as "the hand of Primus, pressing the planet into shape"—further evidence of the young theoretician's religiosity, previously evidenced back in issue #11 by the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] [[tattoo]] on his cheek, still visible in this issue.
* Pax remembers Megatron as "Megatron with an R"; when they first met in "[[Chaos Theory Part 1]]", Pax mistakenly believed his name was "Megaton" and was quickly corrected.
* Tailgate's strong reaction to the subject of killing "newborns" is apt, since he could be considered one himself. He might be one of the oldest members of the crew chronologically, but before joining the Lost Light he'd only spent about two weeks online.
* The plot to artificially create Outliers by irradiating sparks seems like a classic sci-fi insane mass-killing trope. That is, until [[Speak, Memory! (Part 2)|issue #49]]!
* The rescued sparks are sent to a clinic in Nyon to be nurtured. Given that ''[[The Transformers: Autocracy|Autocracy]]'' told us that Rodimus hails from Nyon, and further, that [[World, Shut Your Mouth Part 3: Predestination: A Beginner's Guide|issue #30]] told us he was around 4 million years old (4.2, "give or take"), and described him "waking up" in Nyon—an odd way of describing the birth of a spark which now makes more sense—the implication, then, seems to be that Rodimus himself is one of the saved sparks. This would imply the use of the old paradoxical time travel storytelling trick where, in going back to undo a change to their timeline, our heroes perform actions that are and somehow ''always were'' part of the established timeline. See our notes about Roller under "trivia", below for more; this is also in-line with both what we saw in issue #34, when Brainstorm's appearance in the past caused the evacuation of Messatine, freeing Megatron from Senate clutches, and [[Syndromica (2)|''Robots in Disguise'' #10]], which saw Orion Pax realise he was powerless to change events that had already transpired.
* The whereabouts in the past of several members of the "Time Team" were addressed above, but in full:
** Chromedome: Recently split from Prowl over his decision to join Sentinel Prime's security forces.
** Cyclonus: Trapped in the [[Dead Universe]] with the crew of the first ''Ark'' {{storylink|Spotlight: Cyclonus}}
** Rewind: Unconfirmed, but he and [[Dominus Ambus]] may have already left Cybertron to search for [[Moonbase One|Luna 1]] {{storylink|Before & After}}
** Riptide: A warborn [[M.T.O.]], Riptide hasn't been constructed cold yet. {{storylink|Twenty Plus One}}
** Rodimus: Unconfirmed (see previous note)
** Rung: Apparently shortly after Messatine, when he interrupted [[Froid]] and [[Trepan]]'s [[shadowplay]] on Megatron {{storylink|Births, Deaths, and Interventions}}
** Tailgate: Lying unconscious under the [[Mitteous Plateau]] {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 1: How to Say Goodbye and Mean It|How to Say Goodbye and Mean It}}
** Whirl: Imprisoned in [[Garrus-1]] on Luna 2 {{storylink|Shadowplay, Part 2: Patternism|Patternism}}

===Transformers references===
* As noted above, we've seen Kremzeek drinks in IDW continuity before, but they originated with [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]]'s [[Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Generation One comics]], specifically [[Skyfire (issue)|issue #4 of the 2004 ongoing]].
* The Senate's security forces are named the "[[Elite Guard]]" this issue, after the group from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]'', headed by that universe's [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]].

===Real-life references===
* This arc is named after the Julian Cope song, "An Elegant Chaos" (also part of this issue's soundtrack, see below). The song was part of Cope's album, ''{{w|World Shut Your Mouth (album)|World Shut Your Mouth}}'', which also lent its title to the opening three-parter of ''More than Meets the Eye'' season 2.
* When they originally appeared, the Outliers drew a clear parallel with [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]]'s [[X-Men]], being super-powered "mutants" secretly taught to use their abilities at a school. In what is surely another nod this issue, Windcharger "throws" Orion Pax in a manner similar to the classic X-Men manoeuvre, the [[Fastball Special]].

===Other trivia===
* When Rodimus is discussing the threat to the hot spot with Orion Pax, he refers to "fessile" radiation. Roberts chose the word deliberately. <ref>{{citesocial|quote=Deliberately close to but different|link=https://twitter.com/jroberts332/status/1797014792240021827|name=James Roberts|site=Twitter|year=2024|month=6|day=1}}</ref>
* A dropped scene would have had Zeta negotiating with Sentinel Prime, with Zeta saying he could get Pax's resistance fighters to stand down in exchange for him getting some influence in the Senate.<ref>[http://www.transmissionspodcast.com/2015/03/transmissions-episode-94-james-roberts-mtmte-elegant-chaos-interview/ TransMissions Episode 94 – James Roberts MTMTE Elegant Chaos Interview] 1:14:03 to 1:15:04</ref>
* When Chromedome shakes Glitch's hand, there are fewer concentric circles. Without realizing it, Glitch is interfering with the memory wipe. Originally we were to learn Glitch's memories weren't wiped with no one believing him, but this subplot was never elaborated on. <ref>Roberts, James The MTMTE Scriptbooks / Vol. 1: Elegant Chaos 2025</ref>
* By this point in ''More than Meets the Eye'''s run, fans had come up with the popular theory that, underneath his mask, [[Tarn (G1)|Tarn]] of the [[Decepticon Justice Division]] was really Roller. There wasn't really any evidence for the theory within the text of the comic; it was based on the circumstantial fact that Roller was a big guy whose present-day status was unknown. But suddenly, this issue is absolutely ''lousy'' with not-remotely-subtle hints that indicate the theory was correct—''so'' many that, why, a savvy reader might be inclined to think their leg was being deliberately pulled! But nobody ever accused ''Transformers'' fans of being savvy; the truth of the matter would eventually be revealed in [[The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|issue #54]]. These hints include:
** Roller is a Point One Percenter; Tarn was implied to be one in issue #14 (and later confirmed in #39)
** Roller is seen crushing an Elite Guardman's head with a look of virtual disinterest; Tarn did the same to the alternate [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] in [[slaughterhouse|issue #32]]
** Roller has an addictive personality; Tarn is addicted to [[Transformation|transforming]]
** Roller feels outclassed by the Outliers, a good reason for him to undergo the upgrades that put him on the level of [[Phase Sixer]]s, as noted in issue #14
** Orion encourages Roller to read Megatron's works this issue; Tarn is intimately familiar with Megatron's writings
** Roller is familiar with Megatron's slogan "You are being deceived" which Tarn later quotes when confronted with the [[Scavengers (G1)|Scavengers]]' "coffin"
** The left side of Roller's face is noticeably damaged this issue; Tarn has scarring around his left eye visible through his mask in closeups in [[Rules of Disengagement (issue)|issue #7]] and [[Scavengers (Part 2): Who's Afraid of the DJD?|#8]]
** And the big one, Roller is forgotten and "abandoned" by Orion Pax and his friends as a result of them being mind-wiped, setting up the possibility of him falling in with the opposite side.

===Soundtrack===
* "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDwgduDrtpY Fontanelle]" by {{w|Clem Snide}}<ref>{{citesocial|quote=So! Songs for MTMTE #36! First up, 'Fontanelle' by Clem Slide: https://t.co/PgT4DEthue|link=https://twitter.com/jroberts332/status/543572133692321792|name=James Roberts|site=Twitter|year=2014|month=12|day=13}}</ref>
* "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2soLr-1tXY An Elegant Chaos]" by {{w|Julian Cope}}<ref>{{citesocial|quote=MTMTE #36's second song is the one from which the new story arc takes its name: 'Elegant Chaos' by Julian Cope: https://t.co/NokQAFgJb6|link=https://twitter.com/jroberts332/status/543573294197522432|name=James Roberts|site=Twitter|year=2014|month=12|day=13}}</ref>

===Foreign Localization===

'''Swedish'''
* ''Title:'' "'''Sofistikerat kaos del 1: Alla dessa vanskliga dagar som flytt'''" ("Sophisticated Chaos Part 1: All These Parlous Days Gone By")
* The "Sophisticated Chaos" arc title uses the same logo as the 2011 [[Chaos (IDW)|Chaos]] storyline in this and the following two parts.

===Covers (4)===
* '''Regular cover:''' Roller, by [[Alex Milne]] and [[Josh Perez]]
* '''Subscription cover:''' Orion Pax broods, by [[Nick Roche]] and [[Josh Burcham]]
* '''30th Anniversary cover:''' The second half of 30th anniversary celebration image by [[Alex Milne]] and Josh Perez, which connects to the 30th Anniversary cover to [[Onyx Interface Part Two: Vs.|''Robots in Disguise'' #36]] to complete the picture. The full image is a cross-continuity mash-up featuring thirty characters; this cover includes [[Unicron]], [[Rung (G1)|Rung]], [[Sky-Byte (RID)|''Robots in Disguise'' Sky-Byte]], [[Hot Shot (Animated)|''Animated'' Hot Shot]], [[Dinobot (BW)|''Beast Wars'' Dinobot]], [[Bulkhead (Animated)|''Animated'' Bulkhead]], [[Devastator (G1)|G1 Devastator]], [[Impactor (G1)|IDW Impactor]], [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|IDW Galvatron]], [[Megatron (G1)|''Generation 2'' Megatron]], [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|IDW Shockwave]], [[Knock Out (Prime)|''Prime'' Knock Out]], [[Blackout (Movie)|live-action Blackout]], [[Drift (G1)|IDW Drift]], [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], [[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|IDW Rodimus]], [[Lio Convoy|''Beast Wars II'' Lio Convoy]], and [[Ratchet (WFC)|''Prime'' Ratchet]].
* '''SacAnime Exclusive cover:''' [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Generation 1 Optimus Prime]] arm-wrestles with [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|''Beast Hunters'' Optimus Prime]], by [[Tony Fleecs]]

<gallery>
File:MTMTE36 regcvr.jpg|Roller sips his little drink before he bludgeons someone to death.
File:MTMTE36 subcvr.jpg|Orion Pax does his best [[Batman]].
File:MTMTE36 cvrRI.jpg|This is madness!
File:MTMTE36 cvrRE.jpg|Over the Top!
</gallery>

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===Reprints===
* '''''The Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye Volume 7''''' ([[May 13]], [[2015]]) ISBN 1631403273 / ISBN 978-1631403279
** Collects ''More than Meets the Eye'' issues #34–38.
** Bonus material includes covers of each issue.
** Trade paperback format.

* '''''[[The Transformers: The IDW Collection Phase Two: Volume 8]]''''' ([[December 5]], [[2018]]) ISBN 1684053722 / ISBN 978-1684053728
** Collects ''More than Meets the Eye'' issues #35–38 & #39–40, [[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|''The Transformers'' (2012)]] issues [[Onyx Interface Part One: Signals, Calls, and Marches|#35]]–[[The Onyx Interface Conclusion: The Obliterati|38]], ''[[The Transformers: Punishment|Punishment]]'' issues [[City of Steel (issue)|#1]]–[[Forever Is a Long Time Coming (issue)|5]], and ''[[The Transformers: Drift - Empire of Stone|Drift - Empire of Stone]]'' issues [[Drift - Empire of Stone issue 1|#1]]–[[Drift - Empire of Stone issue 4|4]].
** Hardcover format.

* '''''[[Transformers: The Definitive G1 Collection]]: Volume 63: Elegant Chaos''''' ([[June 12]], [[2019]])
** Collects ''More than Meets the Eye'' issues #35–42.
** Bonus material includes a cover gallery and a forward by [[Simon Furman]].
** Hardcover format.

* '''''Transformers: Du sköna nya värld''''' ([[November]], [[2022]])
** Collects ''More than Meets the Eye'' issues #28–38 & #40.
** Swedish reprint. Hardcover format.

<gallery>
File:MTMTE vol7.jpg|'''''More Than Meets the Eye Volume 7''''' – cover art by [[Alex Milne]] and [[Josh Perez]]
File:IDWCollectionP2V8.jpg|'''''The IDW Collection Phase Two: Volume 8''''' – cover art by [[Marcelo Matere]] and [[Tom B. Long]]
File:DefinitiveG1Collection v63.jpg|'''''The Definitive G1 Collection: Volume 63: Elegant Chaos''''' – cover art by [[Don Figueroa]] (Trailbreaker) and Alex Milne (retro)
File:MTMTE SWE 04.jpg|'''''Du sköna nya värld''''' – cover art by [[Casey Coller]] and [[Joana Lafuente]]
</gallery>

==References==
{{Reflist}}

==External links==
* [http://tformers.com/idw-comics-preview-transformers-more-than-meets-the-eye-36-elegant-chaos-part-1/25409/news.html Preview]

This Evil Reborn

2023-11-07T03:03:37Z

Bluestreak7: /* Notes */ Including issue 1, since its just a reprint

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|prev=The End (Armada)
|next=What Lies Beneath
|title="This Evil Reborn"
|image=DW Energon 19.jpg
|caption=We told you [[Furmanism|it never ends]]!
|publisher=[[Dreamwave Productions]]
|date=[[January 14]], 2004
|coverdate=January, 2004
|writer=[[Simon Furman]]
|pencils=[[Guido Guidi]]
|inks=[[Elaine To]]
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|continuity=[[Dreamwave Armada continuity]]
}}
'''While Optimus Prime wonders if Unicron is truly gone, the Chaos Bringer takes on a group of Decepticons as his servants.'''

==Synopsis==
Optimus Prime gazes out over the rebuilt [[Cyber City]], ten years after the defeat of Unicron. He remarks to Hot Shot that he wants to believe the new era of peace will last, but evil doesn't die so easily. He even states as much to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s [[Autobot High Council|High Council]], but they do not listen to him, as they feel that the tenuous peace would be destroyed if preparations for war were to be made, even as a precaution.

Elsewhere, Battle Ravage, Tidal Wave, Insecticon, Cruellock, and Dive Bomb are venting their frustrations in an old processing plant. Starscream asks if this is the sum total of those still loyal to the Decepticon cause, remarking that Thrust is happy with his sheriff's badge and Demolishor never even gave them a second thought. Scorponok soon shows up however and, unwilling to listen to Starscream and wondering why Megatron ever did, blasts him into an ore grinder, destroying him. As Starscream's remains are melted down and processed, Scorponok opens a [[space bridge]] portal.

In [[Mini-Con Sector|one of the Mini-Con villages]], Optimus Prime approaches a strange pyramid that has been built into the surface asking for Over-Run. Skyblast and Signal Flare, who are standing guard, express doubt as to whether or not he's really Optimus Prime. As he begins to get irritated, the pyramid opens, revealing Over-Run, who is apparently interfaced with Cybertron itself. He dismisses the [[Omnicon]]s, telling Prime that their manners are still underdeveloped and explaining that they are a natural evolution that he been nurturing to fruition. Prime asks Over-Run if Unicron still exists and how long they have before he returns, and Over-Run responds that Prime should be asking the planet itself. With Hot Shot and Ironhide tagging along, Prime goes to a remote [[uplink platform]] that Over-Run directed him to and, touching it, finds himself in contact with the spirit of Alpha Trion. He takes Prime's spirit to the ruined surface of Unicron, where he sees Scorponok and the others step through the space bridge portal, presenting Tidal Wave to Alpha Quintesson as their newest recruit. He upgrades Tidal Wave's body and tells him that he must now serve Unicron forever. As Optimus Prime tries to make sense of what he's seen, he suddenly hears the tortured voice of Megatron. He tells Prime that he is imprisoned within the spark core of Unicron, and begs him to free him, in exchange for the knowledge of how to destroy Unicron once and for all. As Prime comes out of his trance, he tells Hot Shot that [[Earth]] is rich with [[energon]], and Unicron has sent his new Decepticon lackeys to claim it. Meanwhile, those previously known as Airazor, Rhinox, Cheetor and Terrorsaur, now reformatted as [[Unicron's Four Horsemen]], ask Alpha Quintesson if he trusts Unicron's new minions. He replies that they will betray him at the earliest possible moment, for they are expendable and will prove useful for a time. As for the Horsemen, it is their job to go to Cybertron and usher in the apocalypse...

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] (1)
* [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] (2)
* [[Avalon (Energon)|Avalon]] (3)
* [[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]] (16)
* [[Alpha Trion (Energon)|Alpha Trion]] (17)

'''Omnicons'''

* [[Skyblast (Energon)|Skyblast]] (11)
* [[Signal Flare (Energon)|Signal Flare]] (12)

|c2=
* [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] (9)
* [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] (18)

'''Terrorcons'''

* [[Battle Ravage]] (4)
* [[Divebomb (Energon)|Divebomb]] (5)
* [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave]] (6)
* [[Cruellock]] (7)
* [[Insecticon (Energon)|Insecticon]] (8)
* [[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]] (10)

|c4=
* [[Unicron]] (14)
* [[Alpha Quintesson]] (15)
* [[Airazor (Armada)|Death]] (19)
* [[Rhinox (Armada)|War]] (20)
* [[Terrorsaur (Armada)|Famine]] (21)
* [[Cheetor (Armada)|Pestilence]] (22)

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* [[Over-Run (Armada)|Over-Run]] (13)

}}
== Quotes ==
"H-Hey, point that thing someplace '''else'''. I can see you're serious here, but we can work '''together'''. My crackle, your snap, we--" 
"Starscream...I '''never''' understood why '''Megatron''' put up with you!"
:—'''Starscream''' fails to talk '''Scorponok''' out of killing him

"I wish to see '''Over-Run'''." 
"''VRZ!'' Who wants him?"" 
"Who...? '''I''' do! '''Optimus Prime!'''" 
"''CRZ!'' Is he?" 
"''VRZ!'' Dunno. Could be. I suppose. He's '''big'''."
:—'''Optimus Prime''' has a hard time proving his credentials to '''Signal Flare''' and '''Skyblast'''

==Notes==
===Transformers references===
*The barrel of Tidal Wave's rifle is shaped like the barrel of [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s space gun mode, paying homage to Tidal Wave's Japanese name.
*Starscream mentions that the last time he saw Scorponok, the guy was getting roasted by Unicron. This seems like a reference to G1 [[Scorponok_(G1)#Marvel_The_Transformers_comics|Scorponok]]'s ultimate fate in [[On the Edge of Extinction!|Marvel US #75]].
* '''Cameos:''' [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]], [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]], [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]], [[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]], [[Rodimus (Energon)|Rodimus]], [[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]], [[Inferno (Energon)|Inferno]] and [[Prowl (Energon)|Prowl]].

===Errors===
* When Prime appears on Unicron's surface and sees the renegade Decepticons, he is mistakenly colored in his original ''Armada'' colors, rather than his [[Powerlinx]] coloration.

===Other trivia===
* The [[Wavelengths]] page advertises "Devil May Cry" and contains an article from the desk of [[Rob Ruffolo]].
* On the DW Letters page, mail is answered by [[Adam Patyk]] and includes fan art.
* A Walmart exclusve deluxe version of the issue was released as "Issue #1," including a pull out poster, character profiles, and different advertisements.

===Covers (3)===
* Prime facing Scorponok with Unicron in the background consuming Megatron, art by [[Guido Guidi]].
* ''Energon'' Optimus Prime running, art by [[Pat Lee]].
* ''Energon'' Optimus Prime facing off against Scorponok's claws, art by ???

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* ''[[Transformers × Evangelion|Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'' DVD
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[[Category:Dreamwave Energon issues]]

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Tarn (Cyberverse)

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:''Tarn is a [[Decepticon]] [[Decepticon supersoldier|supersoldier]] from the [[Transformers: Cyberverse (franchise)|Cyberverse]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:Cyberverse-S4E2-The-Perfect-Decepticon-Tarn.jpg|thumb|350px|I hope they are watching. They'll see... they'll see... and they'll know... and they'll say... "why, he wouldn't even harm a fly..."]]

Part of the supposed [[Decepticon supersoldier|perfect Decepticon race]], '''Tarn''' was once simply a nameless drone, but no longer. With a mind of his own, his missing arm and battered state belies his sheer strength, though it pales in comparison to his deceptiveness. Living up to the symbol he wears on his face, Tarn deceives those around to accomplish his one goal: to surpass [[Megatron X (Cyberverse)|Megatron]] by finishing what he started. Much like the great leader he replaced, he fancies theatrics in front of a large audience to prove his capabilities and that of his army. If he did not believe other Decepticons would follow in his peace-destroying footsteps, Tarn would have been, and maybe still is, the perfect Decepticon.

{{bigquote|I have not betrayed. I have ''deceived''. Have you forgotten, Optimus... that I am a ''Decepticon?''|Tarn, "[[The Perfect Decepticon]]"}}

==Fiction==
===''Cyberverse'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[Marc Thompson]] (English)}}

In another universe, [[Megatron X (Cyberverse)|Megatron]] used the power of Vector Sigma to create a race of [[Decepticon supersoldier]]s. One of these soldiers evolved beyond his programming and named himself Tarn. He had, at some point, killed his universe's [[Soundwave (Cyberverse)| Soundwave]].

Following Megatron's demise, the supersoldiers began fighting each other for leadership. Tarn was attacked by two other clones and escaped to another universe that Megatron had previously attempted to conquer, with the other supersoldiers in pursuit. Despite the Autobots and Decepticons restraining his pursuers, Tarn shot them with his cannon, claiming they posed a threat to everyone. After attempts to stop the fighting between the supersoldiers proved fruitless, Tarn offered a solution in the form of the [[Cortex Helm]].

He accompanied a small group of Autobots and Decepticons to find [[Thunderhowl (Cyberverse)|Thunderhowl]], who led them to [[Onyx Prime]]'s invisible floating island. Upon reaching the chamber with with the Cortex Helm, Tarn stole it to reprogram all the supersoldiers for obedience to him. He gave the other Decepticons an opportunity to join him.

Tarn brought Optimus Prime to an arena to fight his minions while rekindling the civil war between the factions. He sent wave upon wave of his soldiers to fight Prime until he was overwhelmed by superior numbers. Tarn went to execute Optimus until Prime was saved by a group of Autobots. He ordered the Decepticons to attack, but they refused, sparking a battle between the combined Cybertronian factions and the invaders.

Tarn took the fight to Optimus himself while beaming in more forces. Having captured everyone, he gloated and went to execute Prime. Hot Rod attempted to steal Helm, but was beaten by Tarn. Soundwave stepped in and with the assistance of Laserbeak stole the Helm for himself. Tarn got it back but Soundwave responded with a huge sound blast, killing Tarn while sacrificing himself.

{{storylink|The Perfect Decepticon}}

==Notes==
*Tarn and the Decepticon supersoldiers are modeled after the original [[Tarn (DJD)|Tarn]], the fanatic [[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]] loyalist and leader of the [[Decepticon Justice Division]] in the [[2005 IDW continuity|2005-2018 comics]] from [[IDW Publishing]].

[[Category:Cartoon-only Transformers]]
[[Category:Cyberverse Decepticons]]
[[Category:Dimension hoppers]]

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== G.I. Joe wiki - a little help? ==

Hello, all. I just wanted to add a request for some help for what should really by this wiki's sister site, Joepedia, the G.I. Joe Wiki. Now, I posted a similar request on some other sci-fi themed wiki, but the only answer I got was being told that the rules forbid a request from another wiki to be made. Well, I think that was kind of stupid, considering the communal attitude the whole wiki concept represents. BUT, ANYWAY, the Joepedia has been growing over the years, but it's mostly frequented by a small dedicated group of contributors. Since Transformers and G.I. Joe are so closely linked, I hoped some folks on here would like to help.

I will add that I have no authority over on that site, and I don't really contribute much, mostly because of the time spent my own website. I'm just a concerned geeky citizen drumming up some support. --[[User:JMM|JMM]] 10:26, 7 September 2012 (EDT)
:Well, I would, but I really don't know jack shit about G.I. Joe. And when I think about it, I'm not sure this post belongs here. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]] 17:36, 7 September 2012 (EDT)
::Just looking around for a little help. This seemed like the closest thing to a G.I. Joe wiki out there, and I figured it was worth a try. --[[User:JMM|JMM]] 13:23, 13 September 2012 (EDT)
::I don't see a problem with a polite request for assistance or notification that a Joe wiki exists, since there IS some crossover interest. I just don't know how much ''useful'' crossover interest for the Joe wiki there is from this end outside of what we've already done. I mean, we've got extensive coverage of the parts of Joe directly involving TFs... I'd say that's probably going to be the most useful thing we have for you. But, if others wanna try it out... 
::...unless you're on Wikia.... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:27, 13 September 2012 (EDT)
:::Yeah, it was just a quick heads up so people who may be interested are aware. I know a number of people who are equally obsessed with TF and Joe. :) Oh, and yes, it is on Wikia! --[[User:JMM|JMM]] 14:22, 13 September 2012 (EDT)
::::We did at one point approach a partnership with Joepedia, and even had a template that cross-linked articles we shared. It was just a little premature at the time (which was years ago) as Joepedia was just starting out and often our articles were more complete than theirs, or theirs were just stubs. It looks like they've gotten off the ground a bit more now.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:30, 13 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::Yes, their wiki got started later than this one. They have a small group of dedicated contributers, but the site's yet to attract the kind of interest this one does. --[[User:JMM|JMM]] 16:34, 13 September 2012 (EDT)

== New stub templates ==
=== Video game stub template ===
Does anybody have any objections to a video game stub template? It would look something like this:
 {{messagebox
|header=This article is still in beta stage.
|message_text=''This video game article is a [[:Category:Video game stubs|stub]] and is missing information. You can help '''{{SITENAME}}''' by [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}|action=edit}} expanding it].''
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If anybody knows of a better picture that would go well with this, please upload it so it can be put in. Thanks! -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|Use this!]] 15:52, 2 October 2012 (EDT)

:How about a pic from the story where Prime dies in a video game? Heh if only Beta had ever been in a game, that'd be perfect. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 16:03, 2 October 2012 (EDT)
::What story was that? And yeah, that woulda been great. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|Use this!]] 19:53, 2 October 2012 (EDT)
:::That would be [[Afterdeath!]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:56, 2 October 2012 (EDT)
::::Well if people really want a picture from that, someone else will have to upload it, as I don't have access to it. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|Use this!]] 21:59, 2 October 2012 (EDT)
:::::[[:Image:Afterdeath-gameoverman.jpg|Right here, dude.]]--[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:34, 2 October 2012 (EDT)
::::::Thanks, man. It's on the ''[[Transformers: Prime - The Game|Prime: The Game]]'' page if you want to see it. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|Use this!]] 22:50, 2 October 2012 (EDT)

In addition to the video game stub, I'd like to suggest adding several templates, such as "section stub" and "fiction stub". Right now, we only have "characer stub fiction" for pages only missing fiction section, but no templates for non-character page missing fiction appearance. While "section stub" can use for articles only missing one or two sections. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 22:05, 2 October 2012 (EDT)
:Ok, so I'm gonna go ahead and make the video game one, and TX, if I get around to it later, maybe the others. If not, well, someone else will. Oh, and if I miss an article that the video game one should go on, put it here. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|Use this!]] 22:31, 2 October 2012 (EDT)

=== Novel stub template ===
Ok, who has an idea for a picture for a novel stub template? I'm not good with coming up with pictures for these templates. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|Use this!]] 22:11, 20 October 2012 (EDT)

It would look like this like this:
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-- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|Use this!]] 10:23, 21 October 2012 (EDT)

== Megatron Barcode Battler Card ==

Hi, I was wondering if anyone here had come across this Megatron card for the Barcode Battler, or knows where in the Wiki it should go:
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It seems to have been released by Toys R Us in 1992 as a promo for the Barcode Battler (which they were trying to sell in store), and was (as far as is known) the only such Transformers card, probably given away with two [http://barcodebattler.co.uk/scans/UK/ToysRUsF.jpg blank] [http://barcodebattler.co.uk/scans/UK/ToysRUsB.jpg cards] (the bottom scan - the middle is from the Barcode Battler box) to add your own barcodes to, and a card wallet.

The text ("Clad in steel, armed to the teeth, nobody toys with us good guys when this moody cool deadly-dudey is around.") is probably enough to make you want to forget this was ever made (is it really calling Megatron a good guy?), but it's cropped up in enough eBay sales (occasionally found in Barcode Battler lots with the seller unaware that they've got something rare) to make it likely to be genuine.

So does anyone else have any information on it, and whereabouts should this go? [[User:Xensyria|xensyria]] 12:26, 16 October 2012 (EDT) EDIT: 13:10, 16 October 2012 (EDT)
:I definitely don't know anything about it, besides that it's awesome, but if it's from 1992, then the only Megatron it could be is Megatron (G1), and so it should probably be on his toys/merchandise page.
:It's also plausible that someone who knows something about Barcode Battlers should make a short article on them for the wiki, since we have a lot of those "this broader thing had a TF thing released under it" pages. -[[User:LV|LV]] 12:31, 16 October 2012 (EDT)
::Or...this isn't anything to do with a licensed Transformers thing? I sort of blindly assumed Hasbro was the entity selling the Barcode Battler in the UK, but the packaging doesn't seem to support that. It's hard to believe it's not intended to be TF Megatron, but I'm also not sure it's an official product. Especially since this Megatron guy seems to be the boxfront "main character" for the UK Barcode Battler release. -[[User:LV|LV]] 12:37, 16 October 2012 (EDT)
:::Ah, that's a possibility, but Barcode Battler was being distributed in most of Europe by Tomy, so they probably gave Toys R Us rights to use Megatron. Perhaps they couldn't get the rights to use his picture though (as you say, it's Tomy's Barcode Battler cover on the card, so anyone who used the card probably wouldn't think it was supposed to be Megatron). I should also say that 1992 is more of an educated guess than fact, but it's bound to be somewhere around that.
:::If it's offical I don't mind making a Barcode Battler article (though I'll have to check out some of the other examples you mention first). [[User:Xensyria|xensyria]] 13:02, 16 October 2012 (EDT)
::::Wait, I just re-read Wikipedia, and Tomy was rivals with Takara who owned Transformers at the time. Still, I wonder if such big companies would risk a lawsuit over using Megatron, when they had all sorts of other franchises they could use instead; more likely Toys R Us arranged the deal with Hasbro, who they no doubt were one of the biggest retailers for at the time. [[User:Xensyria|xensyria]] 13:04, 16 October 2012 (EDT) EDIT: 13:12, 16 October 2012 (EDT)
:::::Unlikely to be a Hasbro/TF related thing. In 1992 TFs weren't even being made in the US and the UK line didn't have a Megatron, the Decepticons were led by Skyquake at that time. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:14, 16 October 2012 (EDT)
:::::Well, this is sort of like with Yu-Gi-Oh's Space Megatron, Hasbro's trademark just didn't apply to things like gaming cards, so Tomy, just like Konami later, was in a safe zone. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:20, 16 October 2012 (EDT)
::::::Ah, that would explain the "good guys" text as well. It seems to be a U.K. only thing, and though there may not have been Megatron toys there (is there a reference to them not being released in the U.K. on this on the wiki?) the name would have been familiar from the the film. Is there anywhere for similarly unofficial merchandice here, or should it be cast back into the purgatory of its makers' device? [[User:Xensyria|xensyria]] 15:11, 16 October 2012 (EDT)
:::::::While I never played it, I distinctively remember Barcode Battlers as well, so it's not a UK-only thing. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:15, 16 October 2012 (EDT)
::::::::My bad, I mean the Megatron card, which uses the Tomy box art (the U.S. version was by Irwin, and Japan by the developer, Epoch). [[User:Xensyria|xensyria]] 15:22, 16 October 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::See [[The Transformers (toyline)]] and [[Generation 1 (European toyline)]] for lists of what was released in the US and Europe each year of the original toyline. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:37, 16 October 2012 (EDT)
::::::::::Also, in answer to your question about unofficial merchandise, we only cover official products from Hasbro, Takara and their license holders. About the only place that this could really go on this site is the [[trademark]] page, in a similar use as the "Space Megatron" card from Yu-Gi-Oh! --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 07:53, 18 October 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::::Thanks to all of you for the info. I've added it to the [[Talk:Trademark#Old example: .22Megatron.22 Barcode Battler promo card|trademark talk page]], but will leave it up to you whether it's a notable enough example to be added to the article or not. [[User:Xensyria|xensyria]] 15:55, 19 October 2012 (EDT)

==Recent spamming==
Granted, I haven't been here all that often, but the recent spamming has me wondering if the perpetrator(s) are using some form of IP hopping. It's feeling rather hydra-ish at the moment. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 07:22, 18 October 2012 (EDT)
:I still suggest you add a recaptcha for edits that add external links, at least for new accounts.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 14:09, 18 October 2012 (EDT)
::If that's possible, I like that idea. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|Use this!]] 18:34, 18 October 2012 (EDT)
:::What IP guy said. Also, if we disabled all "Talk:/Talk" pages, that'd help a bit. Either way, the latest spambot assault is obliterating the recent changes page. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 08:21, 24 October 2012 (EDT)
::::The "Talk:/Talk" thing has been mentioned numerous times in the past, I was actually surprised to see these still popping up. I'm guessing some other wikis have already implemented this, as there seems no other reason for the several "Talk:T/alk" (note order of characters) pages that have popped up recently. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:03, 24 October 2012 (EDT)
:::::I don't care what we do, but we need to do something, and we need to do it now. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:09, 24 October 2012 (EDT)
::::::What McFeely said. This crap needs to stop. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|Use this!]] 08:47, 25 October 2012 (EDT)
:::::::Looking at the recent changes, this is getting worse. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|Use this!]] 18:20, 25 October 2012 (EDT)

According to McFly, anon editing has been eliminated. This kills a lot of it, plus a chunk of human-born vandalism. The next step is that new accounts will get an automated confirmation email with a link that will unlock the new account, which should hopefully take out the other major spambot problems. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:30, 25 October 2012 (EDT)
:Leaving those that make accounts just to spam. Well, one step at a time. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 00:29, 26 October 2012 (EDT)
::Well, there's not much we can do with dedicated human antagonists. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:43, 26 October 2012 (EDT)
:::And, the worst problem was the spambots anyway. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|Use this!]] 06:45, 26 October 2012 (EDT)
::::Rather than blocking all IP editing, did you guys ever try out recaptcha for new accounts or articles?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 20:27, 9 November 2012 (EST)

== Universe/UT Micromaster combiners ==

There isn't any general page for these, so I'm putting this here.

Given our treatment of the ROTF/Universe (2008) Bruticus Maximus and Superion sets, I wonder if the Universe (2003) Micromaster combiners whose European releases were branded as Energon ([[Defensor (Universe)|Defensor]], [[Devastator (Universe Micromaster)|Constructicon Devastator]]) or Cybertron ([[Superion (Universe)|Superion]], [[Rail Racer (Universe)|Rail Racer]]) should be considered Unicron Trilogy characters. It's the same basic situation, except that the nature of Universe (2003) means that just because the European versions are Energon/Cybertron doesn't mean they're different guys. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 11:00, 18 October 2012 (EDT)
:Aren't they already listed that way? Defensor and Constructicon Devastator have "Energon Autobot" and "Energon Decepticon" categories and Superion and Rail Racer are in the category "Cybertron Autobots". I haven't checked the individual team members yet. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:59, 18 October 2012 (EDT)
:Just checked the team members and found only one that was not categorized as Energon or Cybertron characters (Long Haul), I added the appropriate category. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:04, 18 October 2012 (EDT)
::I guess he's talking about the continuity identifier at the top? [[Special:Contributions/24.211.29.87|24.211.29.87]] 13:24, 18 October 2012 (EDT)
:::Ah, that makes sense. I could see something like the one used for [[King Atlas]]. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:49, 18 October 2012 (EDT)
::::Yeah, I meant the continuity identifiers (and in the case of some components, like [[Red Alert (Universe)|Red Alert]], the "relation unknown" bio notes). The categories honestly never occurred to me. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 12:36, 19 October 2012 (EDT)

== Election Day ==

Perhaps the [[President of the United States]] should be the featured article... just for today.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 10:41, 6 November 2012 (EST)
:Much as I like the idea, it doesn't have much of an intro paragraph, which makes it hard to front-page it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:20, 6 November 2012 (EST)
::Transtech Optimus and Megatron might also be good choices.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 13:02, 6 November 2012 (EST)
:::[[Democracy]]? --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 13:06, 6 November 2012 (EST)
::::Yeah, that's got a proper intro paragraph and is actually a fairly nice article. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 13:08, 6 November 2012 (EST)
:::::We've used it on Election Day before, s'why. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:23, 6 November 2012 (EST)

== Aligned ==

Can we... can we just disambiguate WFC/FOC/Prime stuff like we do everything else on this wiki, please? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:51, 11 November 2012 (EST)

:I am still not clear as to why WFC and FOC are treated as franchises of their own rather than specific iterations of the Prime franchise. I would support changing all the disambigs of WFC/FOC/Prime to Prime. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:03, 11 November 2012 (EST)

::WFC and FOC have their own franchise branding. For example, the Fall of Cybertron comic is branded as Fall of Cybertron, not as Prime. When you have a series of related properties with "Transformers: ________" as a shared title with its own logo, that's a more often than not a franchise. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:26, 12 November 2012 (EST)

:::And for that matter, WFC and FOC encompass even our most strict definition of franchise, as each of them is at minimum a game, a comic, and a toyline.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:54, 12 November 2012 (EST)

:So what are you asking for, here, Walky? For [[Optimus Prime (Prime)]] to be at "Optimus Prime (WFC)"? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:05, 12 November 2012 (EST)
::::Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:15, 12 November 2012 (EST)

::Frankly, I'd love to see Optimus Prime (WFC), Optimus Prime (Prime) and Optimus Prime (RB). --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 12:31, 12 November 2012 (EST)
:::Why would we part out a character's page by separate franchises within the same continuity family? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:00, 12 November 2012 (EST)

:I agree that some of the disambig'ing is getting pretty mad. Like Aligned Bruticus being at (Prime) due to a piece of concept art for a foreign-market MMO that isn't even used on the page, for instance. Given that the original reason for overriding (WFC) disambigs was to avoid confusion, it seems pretty ridiculous. I understand the original intention was to help people looking for the show characters, but the same could be said of, say, [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]], who is disambig'd based on a less well known first appearance rather than a starring cartoon role, and we haven't changed him. My opinion's that we should either, as Walky says, abandon the 'Prime takes precedence for disambigs' thing, or come up with a more concrete set of guidelines than 'the moment they appear in anything the tiniest bit ''Prime''-y, change the disambig'. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 13:36, 12 November 2012 (EST)
::As someone who initially advocated for our current methodology, I'd really only intended it for show characters or characters in the Prime toyline. That's my only real hang-up here, that if a new user comes here after watching the show or picking up a toy, they shouldn't get tangled up by the fact that we're insisting on putting (WFC) on the end of something because it debuted in the game. Parentheticals are for ease of use, not dogmatic technicality.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:59, 12 November 2012 (EST)

For what it's worth, I still think that we should do our disambiguations by continuity families. We still have one article per character per continuity family, so it seems the most logical to me to call that the disambiguation and only go deeper when we have two different characters from the same continuity family with the same name. After all, when you go to the current disambiguation pages, that's how we describe the character in text.
It would avoid this entire mess. Basically, the principal I think we should employ is to use the highest possible level when disambiguating characters. If a character is unique, no disambiguation necessary. If only one guy named 'Optimus Prime' shows up in Aligned, then call him Optimus Prime (Aligned). I realized that that means that the Unicron Trilogy and movie franchises, with their rampant name reuse, will tend to go one level deeper... but since that's what we're doing today, it shouldn't be too big of an issue.
As we've seen, the lines between franchises are only getting blurrier, and we have every reason to believe this trend will continue. In maybe 95% of cases, we really will have only one character per name per continuity family, and then we (and our readers) won't have to try to figure out where Aligned Prime first popped his head up. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 18:33, 12 November 2012 (EST)
:I find myself agreeing with this. As someone who was not to long ago just a reader, I can say that disambiguating by continuity family would probably help ''a lot'' of people. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|Use this!]] 20:00, 12 November 2012 (EST)
::If you do that, may I suggest you take the opportunity to come up with a less confusing name for the G1 continuity family that isn't the same as the franchise. That way there won't be a bunch of Beast Wars characters with (G1). How about the "inaugural continuity family"? Optimus Prime (Inaugural)
::Cons
::*Continuity family names are unofficial for the most part.
::*Fiction-only dimension hoppers are a bit of a problem. Do they go in their "home" continuity family or the continuity family of the piece of fiction they originated in?
::*Pros
::*I would personally feel better about the IDW original characters if they were disambiguated by the G1 continuity family (or the inaugural continuity family) instead of the G1 franchise. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:17, 12 November 2012 (EST)
:If it's a choice between having (WFC) disambigs on Prime characters or radically changing how we organize the wiki and having to move thousands of articles (who's going to have time to even do that?), I prefer the former as a solution. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:36, 12 November 2012 (EST)
::In full agreement there. But I do think redirects with other franchise disambigs would be helpful to newcomers. Like someone who may have watched Cybertron but not be aware of the Armada toy who might try to search for "Thundercracker (Cybertron)", for example. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:49, 12 November 2012 (EST)
:''For what it's worth, I still think that we should do our disambiguations by continuity families.''
:Agree. The only reason we don't for the Unicron Trilogy is because of the absolutely rampant name reuse, but Prime hasn't seen that problem. I think that (in principle) everyone should be disambig'd (Aligned).
:That or you have to more Breakdown (Prime) to Breakdown (WFC).
:...also Rescue Bots. Aligned they are. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:45, 13 November 2012 (EST)
::I strongly feel we should stick to using official terms and abbreviations thereof in our disambiguation, and "aligned" is not really official (it was from a Hasbro guy describing their aim as a "new aligned continuity" ISTR). Unless we renamed it to the "Prime continuity family", but that way possibly lies madness. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:33, 13 November 2012 (EST)
:::I bet you anything that if we looked around we could find someone official referring to it as Aligned. (If only because we do.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:36, 13 November 2012 (EST)
::::Not that I want to do everything by continuity family, because I absolutely do not, but even "Generation 1" started out as a fan term, and "Unicron Trilogy" was based on something Aaron Archer said once but became widespread because the Wiki used it. "Aligned," another thing said once by Hasbro, is no different. But again, argh, no, disambiging by continuity family raises more headaches than it solves. UT isn't the only continuity family where name reuse is rampant. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:08, 14 November 2012 (EST)
:::::Yeah, ''colossal'' headaches if we tried to smoosh the various comic and toy characters from each movie's ancillary franchise together.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 01:22, 14 November 2012 (EST)
::::::Would it be? If they're different characters, they're different characters. So, Sentinel Prime would go from Sentienl Prime (ROTF) to Sentinel Prime (Movie). He's a good example of a confusing disambiuation. He's the villain in movie 3, but is at movie 2 because of an unnamed montage sequence. Someone like movie Devastator, who is two separate characters, would remain exactly as they are.--[[User:Joefan|Joefan]] 12:06, 14 November 2012 (EST)
:::::::Except if it's by continuity family, he'd be at "Sentinel Prime (LAMS)". I think changing our entire way of naming articles and moving thousands of articles just to fix the "(Prime)" issue is like using a nuclear bomb to hammer in a nail. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 14:12, 14 November 2012 (EST)
::::::::My view on this topic has changed, and I now agree with this. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|Use this!]] 15:44, 14 November 2012 (EST)
:::::::::My understanding was that we HAD been disambig-ing by Continuity family, and chose NOT to for the Unicron Trilogy and LAMS because the rampant name reuse would make this horribly confusing. But for Aligned... so far we've already gotten three franchises and virtually no overlap.
:::::::::I'm going to cite [[Help:Ignore all standards]], which states that ''Standards are good; TFWiki.net likes standards. We're just not under the illusion that standards are perfect.'' and more importantly '''"In situations where the standards intended to prevent confusion would instead contribute to it, common sense should rule."'''
:::::::::Actually... wasn't disambiging the UT series by franchise a case of H:IAS? We decided to do that because the way rampant name reuse rendered other approaches impractical. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:05, 16 November 2012 (EST)
::::::::::We don't disambig by franchise because of the UT. We disambig by franchise because of EVERYTHING. UT was never ever ever the straw that broke the camel's back. The back came pre-broken. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:22, 16 November 2012 (EST)
:::::::::::Whatever. Can I move Breakdown (Prime) to Breakdown (WFC) or not? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:35, 16 November 2012 (EST)
::::::::::::That's what I'd like to do eventually, but I don't think we've reached a firm enough consensus to do something that big and sprawling. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:16, 16 November 2012 (EST)
:::::::::::::...he's got the wrong disambig. We disambig by the franchise he first appeared in. His WFC appearance was 6 months prior to his Prime appearance. Why does that require some sort of confab?
:::::::::::::: You are preaching to the choir on this point, but previously a consensus was made that Prime stuff operates differently from everything else on the wiki. I want to overturn that, but until I do, the previous consensus stands. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:58, 16 November 2012 (EST)
:::::::::::::Of course the answer is "because we're already in an <tt>Ignore all standards</tt> situation; we want to disambig them with (Prime) even though that's against our standard treatment, but we haven't properly dealt-with/processed/mourned that."
:::::::::::::If we give in to a rigid standard and move him (and everyone else) to (WFC), ''I'' think it's almost inevitable that there will be a pushback against the anti-intuitive mess that makes the disambigs, which will itself lead to either returning them to (Prime) or switching everything to (Aligned) I just do not see (WFC) for the main characters 'standing.'
:::::::::::::Which would mean that we aren't facing a choice between standard-vs-nonstandard, but between nonstandard-vs-nonstandard. And given that choice I think (Aligned) is the better nonstandard.
:::::::::::::(You may feel free to disagree with my assessment of the outcome of a (WFC) move. I recognize that my beliefs about "what would probably happen after" are just a hypothesis and should not be treated as fact.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:56, 16 November 2012 (EST)

If we do go to strict franchise of origin on Aligned continuity family characters, we are going to have to be ''super'' diligent on redirects for anyone that appears in the Prime show or toyline.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:55, 16 November 2012 (EST)
: I half-agree, if only because we won't have to be TOO diligent on the pages that exist already, because that would involve merely not deleting the redirects from the old locations once we move the pages. It'd be a kind of reverse-diligence, since it would really mean one less step than usual. Otherwise, yes, if a character is in Prime, there should be a redirect from there. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:13, 16 November 2012 (EST)

So have people have a chance to mull this over some? I'm leaning towards going back to the "by franchise" rule and having "Breakdown (WFC)" because it's both simpler than any of the alternatives, and it's consistent with what we do everywhere else. So long as "Breakdown (Prime)" redirects there, and I don't see any reason for it not to, people will still be able to find it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:56, 27 November 2012 (EST)

== Fun fact ==

According to my calculations we had around about 6876 articles when we left Wikia, so we've added over 10000 more in the four and a bit years since we left. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:27, 19 November 2012 (EST)

:While wikia has added... 929 articles.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 12:09, 19 November 2012 (EST)

::929, really? No offense but I thought it was less. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 13:47, 19 November 2012 (EST) <13:57, 19 November 2012 (EST) edit>

:::Hey, be fair, they've also added a blog. GUH. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:49, 19 November 2012 (EST)
::::And a video library! Because people go to wikis to watch movie trailers! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 14:43, 19 November 2012 (EST)
:::I was just there the other day... their article for Animated Bulkhead still has an "ongoing" tag... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:06, 19 November 2012 (EST)

== Split Pages ==

We have several characters on the list of [[Special:Longpages|Long pages]]–such as [[Kup (G1)]], ‎[[Prowl (G1)]], [[Megatron (G1)]], [[Ratchet (G1)]], and [[Hot Rod]]. So I suggest to split their G1 cartoon, Marvel comics, and IDW comics section into new pages. – [[User:Thunderweb|Thunderweb]] 01:40, 20 November 2012 (EST)
:That's cool and all, but please don't split off pages if you're not going to write proper intros/summaries for them and include appropriate categories on the sub pages. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:12, 24 November 2012 (EST)

== Aligned section breakup is warping canon ==

Currently{{now|21:19, 26 November 2012 (EST)}} our [[Breakdown (WFC)]] page lists all his Prime appearances then ghettotizes out his Fall of Cybertron appearances into a subsequent section as a separate continuity, and thus less important than the cartoon despite coming first.

[[Bulkhead (Prime)]] and [[Knock Out (Prime)]] are a little better, but the Prime wii game (by the series writers, intended to fit in season 2 albeit without a specific "after this episode and before this episode" date) is broken out as a '''seperate continuity'''

Traditionally this has been our way of dealing with games because they are a secondary media; being sorta warped reflections of some core media with (for the most part) minimal contribution to continuity. But, you know, Aligned is different. The War for Cybertron / Fall of Cybertron games are part of the same continuity, occurring before the cartoon. We sort of rolled our eyes when Hasbro first insisted on this (mostly because the [[Transformers: Exodus]] novel doesn't fit well with the game ''or'' the cartoon.) But the reality increasingly is that they '''are''' one continuity. Hell, this is a quote from an interview w/ John Barber, writer of [[Transformers Prime: Rage of the Dinobots|Rage of the Dinobots]].

{{quote|JB: The Transformers story has been going on continuously for a very long time, and I think it’s fair to say the Prime universe is working to take the best elements of every expression and build a world. What’s really exciting is that what we’re doing in the comic is going to impact this world across various mediums. So, it isn’t a case where we’re doing a book that’s subservient to the TV show—we’re doing an all-new story set in that same universe, and the stories we tell are going to be reflected in the shows and the novels and everything else. It’s “canon.” Which is cool, and sort of rare and unique.

RS: The book is a truly cross-media venture tying in with the upcoming game Fall of Cybertron as well as the Transformers Prime series, how much of a 'juggling act' is it to coordinate the story between the different outlets?

JB: Fortunately I get to work with some of the best people in the business. Michael Kelly, who’s Hasbro’s Director of Global Publishing, is a great friend and somebody I get to work with very closely. He coordinates with the Transformers brand team at Hasbro—which contains some really good friends of mine, too. Plus I’ll talk to the folks at Random House, and we’re constantly emailing with everybody at High Moon, who produce FALL OF CYBERTRON, so while there are a lot of moving parts, we’re all talking. And we’re all building toward the same goals of good storytelling and a cohesive worldview.

Also—the new Prime comic is being written by Mike Johnson and Mairghread Scott, both of whom—in addition to being comics writers, both write for thePrime TV show. So they know what’s what.|John Barber|[http://www.aintitcool.com/node/58236 AICN COMICS Q&@: Russ Sheath talks to IDW's John Barber about TRANSFORMERS PRIME: RAGE OF THE DINOBOTS!]}}

Messy as it was for the rollout, the people producing the stuff '''intend for it to be one universe and are writing it at such'''. And the various franchises '''are''' slowly converging as a result.

We need to consolidate these sections under a single "Aligned continuity" header. Because the way we're doing it right now is fucking things up.

(And no we can't have WFC/Prime subsection headers for the same reason we can't separate the Movieverse prequel minis, they interleve. The games don't deal with Prime and Megatron's pre-war history bot the novels and TV shows do mention it.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:19, 26 November 2012 (EST)
: Yeah, I think the way we do it now is better-organized. Video game stuff, no matter how high-profile it is, tends to be overwritten by the "real" stories that later adapt it. I'd rather keep stuff separated by medium. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:28, 26 November 2012 (EST)
::Agreed. There's no way to kludge it all together under one heading without either ignoring some details or presenting them in a vague, unhelpful manner, given the contradictions that exist. You cite the Prime game, but at no point in season 2 do the Decepticons EVER consist of Megatron, Starscream, Airachnid and Dreadwing at the same time. It can't fit. And your other example - it's all well and good to quote that Barber quote, Derik, but the preview for "Rage of the Dinobots" alone has shown Grimlock present on Cybertron, Sludge being alive and Blast Off dying at a point when in the games, Grimlock has vanished, Sludge has died and Blast Off needs to be alive. (Not to say that the comic might not address these points, it's just the example foremost in my brain as it's been discussed recently.) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:16, 27 November 2012 (EST)
:::Chris, the only contradiction we've seen in the Rage of the Dinobots comic preview thus far is Sludge being alive. It's set after the Ark left, during which Grimlock ''was'' still on Cybertron. And Blast Off being there ties in with Jazz and Jetfire having knocked Bruticus off the Ark before it went through the space bridge. He was last seen plummeting, seemingly, back to Cybertron; and judging by this comic, it looks like he made it.
:::Now, as for my thoughts on the reorganization of the Aligned fiction sections, I offer a counterproposal. Keep each section separate as they are, but I'd feel more confortable with the WFC and FOC sections place above the Prime sections to coincide with their chronological placement in the timeline. Perhaps put the Exodus section first, then the WFC sections, then the FOC comic section, the FOC the game, then Exiles or Rage of the Dinobots (depending on how that comic with play out will determent if it's better set before or after Exiles), then the Prime comic, then the Prime cartoon, then the Prime game, and then the Rescue Bots cartoon. Each keeps its own section, but arranged in as close to chronological order as possible. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 12:20, 27 November 2012 (EST)
::::I don't understand how putting some of the video game stuff outside of the video game section is intuitive, because presumably we'd be keeping the Prime game stuff down below. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:23, 27 November 2012 (EST)
:::::I'm saying to treat the games as fiction themselves instead of a second tier category, since, unlike previous continuities, they're of a greater importance to their master continuity than any past games have ever been. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 12:39, 27 November 2012 (EST)
::::::The [[Breakdown (WFC)]] article separates along '''Fiction''' and '''Games''', placing the WFC/FOC games in the latter when they are part of the same body of fiction. Even if you don't want to place them in the same continuity, they should both be in the '''Fiction''' header.
::::::The separate header for games system has its origins in the traditional relationship of games to other fiction, where they present a wildly divergent or exclusive or alternate version of another existing franchise or story. These are primary story material which have no 'primary story' they present an alternate version of because they ''are'' the primary story. You can't ghettoize them as "something other than fiction." -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:28, 27 November 2012 (EST)
:::::::That's what I'm saying. Putting the individual video game subsections into the main fiction section instead of putting them in a separate video game section since the games aren't a second tier of the main story this time. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 17:37, 27 November 2012 (EST)
::::I realize this isn't the time or place for this, but regarding those points, I'll say that the clear implication at the end of FoC is that Grimlock has vanished through the spacebridge (he doesn't get out before the explosion and the Dinobots watch as something shoots up the beam into the portal), and as the Ark is the ''last'' of the vessels to leave in the game, it can't fit with what we're seeing here with Blast Off's timeline. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:26, 27 November 2012 (EST)
:::::I never got the impression that Grimlock got sent through the space bridge. His fate was rather amibiguous to the nth degree, leaving plenty open room for him to still be on Cybertron after the game. He's running away, there's a blinding light, and then the scene cuts away. for all we know, he could have fallen off the platform he was on and plummeted far to the ground below, away from the space bridge's reach (though he'd be in for some serious repairs after a fall form that height). As for the other ships, we know that the planet was completely abandoned by the present day, so the Dinobots and Wreckers would have had to have gotten off the planet somehow and at some point. Just because the Ark was the last vessel to leave during the Great Exodus doesn't mean there weren't more ships set aside in reserve for or built later by those who stayed behind so they could eventually leave when the time would come for them to do so ''after'' the Great Exodus. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 12:39, 27 November 2012 (EST)
::::::And thus, we see the the hand-wringing necessary to align everything. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:50, 27 November 2012 (EST)
:::::::Pun not intended. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:39, 27 November 2012 (EST)
:::::::Yeah, and until we get canonical answers to things like where the Prime game or Optimus/Bumblebee's appearances in Rescue Bots fit, sticking everything under one header is just not possible. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 14:59, 27 November 2012 (EST)

I think my main qualm here is that every time someone tries to make the case that Aligned is somehow ''different'' and thus deserves us altering the way we treat it relative to other continuity families, we end up with ''even more'' examples of how Aligned is pretty much a branching, loosely-connected thing ''just like every other continuity family''. I mean sure, it'll never get quite to the point of how spread out the G1 continuity family is. Regardless, this is no different from how obvious it was that Bay's writers didn't give a damn about the movie comics, and so forth.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:49, 27 November 2012 (EST)

:It's very easy to say "this doesn't seem to fit" but Barber says he's coordinating his story with High Moon Studios so there aren't any conflicts.
:The people writing these things are ''trying'' to make them one continuity, damnit! Do we have to fight them this hard? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:22, 27 November 2012 (EST)
::And IDW ''tried'' to make the comics jive with the live-action movies, and Barber himself is the one that had to get the mop whenever that didn't work out. Heck, Barber had early drafts of the movie scripts in many cases, and ended up drawing off of concepts that ultimately weren't even used in the movies.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:07, 27 November 2012 (EST)
:::I cant' tell if you're saying IDW succeeded or not, there's a lot of handwaving in the IDW timeline but it mostly works, largely thanks to Barber bending over backwards to explain how the DotM conspiracy could possibly be present during the 2007 movie and somehow miss Megatron. ;) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:05, 28 November 2012 (EST)
::::I'm not faulting the man's efforts, and certainly he must have won a No-Prize back in the day from the Merry Marvel Marching Squad, but all I'm really saying is ''this is nothing new''.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 01:43, 28 November 2012 (EST)
:::::What are you saying? The Movieverse comics and the films are in the same continuity. Just read the [[Movie continuity]] page. I don't care so much how the fiction is listed in character pages, but I'd like to see the [[Aligned continuity family]] page moved to "Aligned continuity" and the appropriate changes made to reflect the fact that the Aligned stuff is all ''officially'' the same continuity. Officially! Nobody in G1 tried to say "all this stuff is in the same continuity." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:10, 28 November 2012 (EST)

== James Roberts notes ==

As self-referencial as Roberts' work gets, most of the notes sections on MTMTE pages are getting ridiculously long. Some of them have become big blocks of text that cover an entire screen. Is there any way we can break these down into smaller subsections? ''"Roberts referencing Roberts"'' vs. ''"Roberts referencing other stories"''? ''"Story notes"'' vs. ''"Easter eggs"''?--[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 09:52, 13 December 2012 (EST)
: I don't think any of the notes sections for Roberts stories are "ridiculously long." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:41, 13 December 2012 (EST)
:: Four of the last five regular issues have Notes sections that cover my entire monitor. One big screen of bullet points. It's aesthetically unpleasing, my eyes glaze over just looking at it, and I can't be the only one. We discourage big blocks of text in the History sections, and this isn't much different.
:: I'm not saying the Notes themselves aren't "note-worthy". It just...doesn't look good. I think an effort could be made to make it easier on the eyes. More images in that section, or some sub-sections to break up the bullet points is not unreasonable to suggest. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 11:12, 13 December 2012 (EST)

== "Things that don't exist" category ==

FYI, readers that don't have accounts can't access this category through articles because they're blocked from the editing page, which the red link automatically takes them to. [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] 02:52, 18 December 2012 (EST)
:Hmm, we could possibly use javascript to amend links to it to point to http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Category:Things_that_don%27t_exist instead, which does work for logged out users. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:06, 18 December 2012 (EST)
::It looks like this was resolved in MediaWiki 1.15 which automatically redirects logged-out users to the working Category page. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:01, 23 April 2013 (EDT)

Cobra

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Bluestreak7: /* Transformers vs. G.I. Joe */

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[[File:Cobralogo.png|thumb|COBRAAAAAA!]]
'''Cobra''' is a ruthless terrorist organization determined to rule the world!

Led primarily by [[Cobra Commander]] and sometimes by [[Serpentor]], they've had their ups and downs in their struggle against the [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] team.

They sometimes team up with or [[Sidney Biggles-Jones|rebuild]] Transformers, primarily the [[Decepticon]]s.

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
[[File:CC-OldSnake02.jpg|thumb|"Fine, I'll make my ''own'' 2006! With blackjack, and hookers! In fact, forget the 2006 and the blackjack!"]]

By the year [[2006]] [[Cobra Commander|Old Snake]], Cobra's one-time leader, was a homeless vagrant, selling the use of his organization's [[synthoid]] technology to [[Victor Drath|small-time mobsters]].

While nothing is stated outright, it appears that the threat of mighty Cobra is now but a memory. {{storylink|Only Human}}

{{-}}
====''Binaltech''====
Earlier, in [[2004]], [[Garrison Kreiger]], a former financial backer of Cobra and enemy of G.I. Joe's [[Sgt. Savage]], served as a member of the nefarious [[Concurrence]].

Among the other members of the Concurrence was [[Iron Klaw|Count von Rani]], who himself clashed with Sgt. Savage as Iron Klaw, but who otherwise has no known connection to Cobra. {{storylink|Expose All of Evil's Designs!}}

====''Wings Universe''====
{{wingsnote}}
Old Snake's encounter with the Autobots reignited his taste for domination. To that end, he reactivated an old Cobra project to amalgamate Earth's greatest military minds into the ultimate warrior, using the discarded body of a [[Sweep (G1)|Sweep]] to do so. Unfortunately, the [[Earth Defense Command]] interrupted him, and General [[Hawk (G.I. Joe)|Hawk]]'s brain was accidentally scanned, resulting in [[Serpentor]], a Decepticon with EDC sympathies. {{storylink|A Common Foe|Serpent O.R.'s ''Wings Universe'' profile}}

====Ask Vector Prime====
In the blighted reality of [[Primax 1185.04 Alpha]], Cobra conquered the world thanks to the [[M.A.S.S. Device]]. When the Transformers woke up in 1984, the Decepticons found themselves unable to plunder the world and the Autobots, while disgusted by Cobra's junta, did not think it their place to interfere and quietly abandoned the planet. Megatron eventually teamed up with [[Sub-Atlantica]] but that only led to Cobra invading ''them'', Cobra Commander just happening to have made soldiers with gills; Sub-Atlantica surrendered Megatron to Cobra Commander as a peace offering.

Eventually, some real American heroes showed up from [[Primax 984.17 Alpha]] to get up in Cobra's grill. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 13/6/2015}}

{{note|And that's where all the Transformers were in ''G.I. Joe''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s "Worlds Without End" two-parter!}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
====''G.I. Joe and the Transformers''====
[[File:Serpentor.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Cobra's got ''style''.]]
One way or another, Cobra made contact with Senator [[Barbara Larkin]]. As part of an overly complicated scheme to save face, Larkin designed the unstable [[Power Station Alpha]] which Cobra would then steal. {{storylink|Ashes, Ashes...}}

Even as [[Cobra Commander]] was threatened by the upstart [[Serpentor]], he sent the [[Dreadnok]]s to steal Alpha only for the ineptitude to bungle things up, compounded by the [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s involving themselves in things. {{storylink|Blood on the Tracks}}

In the battle, the Decepticons had used a [[cerebro-shell]] to assume remote control of Alpha, [[Doctor Mindbender]] hacking into it and bringing it to [[Cobra Island]]. By the time it arrived, Serpentor had deposed Cobra Commander, with the Decepticons following the station. [[Shockwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Shockwave]] proposed that the two parties ally with one another, only for Mindbender to later overhear that Shockwave's modifications to Alpha would destroy the Earth. {{storylink|Power Struggle}}

Outmatched by the evil of the Decepticons, Cobra played along when ordered to attack the [[Ark (G1)|''Ark'']] where they disabled [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] as a show of good faith to the Autobots while the [[Baroness]] met with Larkin. When the Decepticons prepared to destroy Earth, Cobra properly sealed their alliance with the Autobots when the Joes suddenly arrived, {{storylink|Ashes, Ashes...}} to join in hiding in the ''Ark''. Working together, all three factions managed to destroy Alpha. Cobra slipped away once Alpha blew up but their actions, along with those of the Joes, left the Autobots doubting if humans could ever be trusted. {{storylink|...All Fall Down!}}

Operatives involved in this mission included [[Baroness]], [[Buzzer (G.I. Joe)|Buzzer]], [[Cobra Commander]], [[Destro]], [[Doctor Mindbender|Dr. Mindbender]], [[Serpentor]], [[Torch (G.I. Joe)|Torch]], [[Ripper (G.I. Joe)|Ripper]], [[Zarana]], and [[Zartan]].

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====''Generation 2''====
In the midst of a scheme by [[Cobra Commander]] to bring new glory to his organization, the reconfigurable [[Silent Castle]] he had seized from [[Destro]] was put into a state of constant metamorphosis. This caught the attention of a heavily damaged [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]], who flew to [[Trans-Carpathia]] from Canada and was enraged to discover a non-sentient piece of architecture instead of another Transformer. {{storylink|Unfoldings!}}

This confrontation eventually led to an agreement between Megatron and Cobra whereby Megatron would receive a new, more powerful body (designed by [[Sidney Biggles-Jones|Dr. Sidney Biggles-Jones]]) in exchange for the technologies of the downed-but-functional Autobot [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]. {{storylink|Realignments}}

[[File:Cobra-139.jpg|thumb|"I just want some pants. A DECENT PAIR OF PANTS!"]]
Cobra helicopters led Megatron and the unearthed Ark from Canada to the Cobra-controlled town of [[Milleville]], New York, where its brainwashed denizens began to unload the spacecraft. Their operation was discovered by the [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] team, who Megatron was vocally uninterested in battling. {{storylink|Goin' South}}

Not too long afterwards, a group of Autobots ([[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]], [[Chase (G1)|Chase]], [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]], [[Override (G1)|Override]], [[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)|Skydive]], and [[Steeljaw (G1)|Steeljaw]]) arrived and battled Megatron in Milleville, causing considerable damage to Cobra's property holdings and destroying any vestiges of the town's use as a secret base.

As the situation continued to degrade, Cobra Commander ordered an evacuation of the town's assets and personnel from a position near the Ark. Megatron then arrived, and having captured Dr. Biggles-Jones, abruptly disregarded his previous agreement with Cobra Commander. He took the Ark for himself and blasted off, much to Cobra Commander's extreme annoyance.

In-transit, Megatron voiced that he had transferred a virus that had been implanted in his new body by Dr. Biggles-Jones to the Cybertronian technology in Cobra's possession, which would render it inoperable. {{storylink|Final Transformations}}

Operatives involved in this mission included [[Cobra Commander]], [[Dice (G.I. Joe)|Dice]], [[Night Creeper Leader]], [[Doctor Mindbender|Dr. Mindbender]], [[Road Pig (G.I. Joe)|Road Pig]], [[Slice (G.I. Joe)|Slice]], and [[Zarana]].

Following Megatron's departure in the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], a convoy of Cobra vehicles departed [[Milleville]], safeguarding a transport containing the (unknowingly infected) Cybertronian technology they had acquired.

[[File:Cobra-G2.jpg|left|thumb|Wait, that was a Paralyzer a minute ago.]]
The convoy was assaulted by Autobot [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]], who feared the havoc that could be created by the alien technology in Cobra's hands. As Cobra soldiers prepared to retaliate against him, they were cut down by [[Snake-Eyes]] and [[Hawk (G.I. Joe)|General Hawk]], which gave Hot Spot the opportunity to destroy the transport.

Surrounded and heavily damaged, Hot Spot destroyed himself rather than be captured and dissected by Cobra's technicians for knowledge. {{storylink|All or Nothing!}}

Operatives involved in this mission included [[Cobra Commander]].

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===''Transformers/G.I. Joe''===
In [[1938]], Major Sebastian Bludd discovered [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and his [[Decepticon]]s in a shrine in the [[Fera Islands]]. Soon Megatron allied himself with Bludd's master, Cobra Commander, and they joined forces to conquer [[Europe]]. Even the mighty [[Maginot Line]] could not stop them as they rolled through [[Berlin]], [[Paris]], and [[Rome]] and enslaving their inhabitants. Before long, the Decepticon/Cobra onslaught reached [[United Kingdom|Great Britain]].

[[File:DW GIJoe Issue3.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]

However, treachery from Destro, the Baroness, and [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] led the newly formed G.I. Joe team to their [[Terrordrome]]. {{storylink|The Line}} While engaging Cobra troops commanded by Storm Shadow, the Joes encountered the [[Autobot]]s, who repaired and revived themselves. The Joes soon found themselves under fire from a squadron of [[Rattler]]s and [[Seeker (body-type)|Seekers]] led by Wild Weasel, {{storylink|Transformed}} but they were driven back by [[Lady Jaye]] and the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]].

As this transpired, Megatron attempted to dispose of his insufficiently-efficient human partners, but was humbled by a [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]-bearing Cobra Commander.

While the Cobra aircraft were driven off, they left behind paratroopers and [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]. {{storylink|Trial by Fire}} The Joes managed to defeat the troops, and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] and [[Scarlett]] destroyed Rumble, but Zartan managed to murder and replace [[Breaker]] in the confusion. He was quickly discovered, but not before he allowed [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] to capture [[Flint (G.I. Joe)|Flint]].

Storm Shadow left the main Cobra force to engage in a deadly duel with his sword-brother [[Snake-Eyes]], now a member of G.I. Joe. Despite the intervention of [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]], Snake-Eyes defeated Storm Shadow, who was then eaten by a shark.

Soon, Cobra prepared to defend the town of [[Torhavn]] against the approaching Autobots and Joes, using slaves as human shields. {{storylink|Wolves}} Another Cobra air attack was foiled by Lady Jaye and [[Superion (G1)|Superion]], leading to the death of Wild Weasel, and Lady Jaye defeated Bludd and the [[Dreadnok]]s. Meanwhile, a small Joe strikeforce infiltrated the Terrordrome, destroying [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] in the process.

As the Joes, Autobots, and an Allied fleet neared, [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] destroyed Superion and a number of ships, damaging himself severely in the process. {{storylink|Trenches}} But despite heavy losses, the Autobots soldiered on.

Destro and the Baroness took advantage of the chaos to unleash their monstrous creation [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] upon both sides—but not before slaying their co-conspirator, Starscream. Bruticus' attack crippled Cobra Commander, allowing the Baroness to execute him with Megatron's pistol form. Her victory was short-lived—before the Commander's body could cool, she and Destro were arrested by Scarlett and Snake-Eyes. As the metal monster tore through the Autobots, Snake-Eyes took the Matrix from the Commander's corpse and destroyed it, killing the Autobots, Decepticons, and Bruticus and ending the threat of Cobra. {{storylink|The Iron Fist}}

Operatives involved in this mission included [[Baroness]], [[Buzzer (G.I. Joe)|Buzzer]], [[Cobra Commander]], [[Destro]], [[Doctor Mindbender|Dr. Mindbender]], [[Major Bludd]], [[Ripper (G.I. Joe)|Ripper]], [[Storm Shadow]], [[Torch (G.I. Joe)|Torch]], [[Wild Weasel]], and [[Zartan]].

Some 45 years after the conquest of Europe, Cobra rose again. Under the command of Cobra Commander, Cobra established extensive operations in the United States. In [[1985]], G.I. Joe attacked a Cobra shipping facility commanded by Destro. While the facility was largely destroyed, Destro and Scrap-Iron managed to escape via [[Flight Pod|Trouble Bubble]]. Soon afterwards, Cobra detected the crash of an [[Autobot]] shuttlecraft near [[Portland]]. Their retrieval force was repelled by a team of G.I. Joe rookies. {{storylink|Targets of Opportunity}}

Operatives involved in this mission included [[Cobra Commander]], [[Destro]], [[Scrap-Iron]], and [[Smith (G.I. Joe)|Smith]].

===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
[[File:GIJoevsTF3 SNAKE.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|Evil murderous terrorists get to have awesome robot suits and play with them. And ''you'' don't.]]

The fledgling terrorist organization Cobra discovered the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] and its Transformer crew in [[stasis lock]], and took them to their headquarters on [[Cobra Island]]. With the help of mad scientist Dr. Mindbender and weapons dealer Destro, they turned most of the Transformers into remote-controlled war machines—with the exception of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], who was kept by Cobra Commander as a trophy, locked in pistol mode. They were smuggled into [[Washington, D.C.]] using Cobra's front company [[Arbco]] and used to strike at a [[United Nations]] summit, causing mass panic. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 1|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #1}}

Despite problems reprogramming some units (especially [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]), Cobra launched an attack on the [[SPS Research Facility]]. While several of Cobra's Transformers were destroyed in the attack, thanks to the intervention of the newly formed G.I. Joe as well as two escaped Autobots, [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] and [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]], Firefly managed to acquire the satellite technology and destroy the facility. Their success was short-lived, however, as Cobra's Transformers overrode their programming ''en masse'' and rebelled against their masters. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 3|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #3}} Cobra Commander was forced to unleash Megatron to battle Optimus Prime as he attempted to flee. As Cobra troops were slain left and right, the Commander and several other officers managed to secure [[S.N.A.K.E.]] suits and fight their way through the vengeful mechanoids.

Meanwhile, Megatron and [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] had taken control of Cobra headquarters and used the stolen satellite technology to begin producing [[energon]] cubes. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 4|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #4}} The Autobots and Joes took the command centre and incapacitated Megatron, but were then alerted to an American nuclear missile headed straight for them. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 5|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #5}} Enlisting the help of Mindbender, the Joes managed to shoot the nuke down with the SPS, with the side-effect of the satellite showering the island with deadly heat-blasts. After the blasts incapacitated most of the Decepticons, Optimus Prime managed to shoot down the satellite and defeat Megatron. Destro, Mindbender, and the Baroness escaped, and Cobra Commander fled with the aid of [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 6|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #6}}

[[File:Percy viper.jpg|upright=1.2|thumb|Beware the fearsome Cobra Vipers!]]

Operatives involved in this mission included [[Baroness]], [[Cobra Commander]], [[Destro]], [[Doctor Mindbender|Dr. Mindbender]], [[Firefly]], [[Major Bludd]], [[Storm Shadow]], and [[Zartan]].

Over the next two years, Cobra rebuilt itself. G.I. Joe continued to bedevil them, breaking up a weapons-smuggling ring and capturing the cyborgified Dreadnoks. Eventually, Cobra hatched a plan to gain access to [[Teletran 3]], a computer that would give Cobra access to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s [[space bridge]] network, allowing for instantaneous troop and supply movements. G.I. Joe agent [[Chuckles]] discovered the plan, and led the team to Cobra's [[Boston]] headquarters. As the Joes attacked, they disrupted the gate, first sending the Joes, Cobras, and Starscream to Cybertron, and then scattering a number of Transformers throughout time. The time disruption threatened to destroy Earth, forcing Cobra to team up with G.I. Joe to retrieve the missing mechanoids.

Zartan, Storm Shadow, [[Lady Jaye]], and [[Snake-Eyes]] were successful in retrieving [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]], [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], and [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] from the 1970s, {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 1|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II #1}} and the Baroness, [[Percy]], [[Roadblock (G.I. Joe)|Roadblock]], and [[Beachhead]] barely managed to retrieve [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]] from 1930s [[Chicago]]. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 2|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II #2}} Meanwhile, Tomax, Xamot, Mindbender, [[Barbecue]], and [[Spirit]] found themselves in a nightmarish Decepticon-ruled future Earth. They were forced to take [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] back to the present against his will, andXamot was slain by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] as soon as they returned to Cybertron. The Autobots were taken captive by Shockwave's Decepticons, the time gate was deactivated, and the Joes and Cobras were forced to flee. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 3|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II #3}} All seemed lost until Lady Jaye and Roadblock infiltrated the control center and reactivated the time gate, bringing [[Dusty]], [[Shipwreck]], [[Gung-Ho]], and a Viper back - along with the fearsome [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]]. The Dinobots routed Shockwave's forces, giving Joes and Cobras a safe passage home.

Meanwhile, Dr. Mindbender, who had been left on Earth, was arrested, but soon found himself enlisted to harness the power of [[Unicron]] by the enigmatic forces of [[Cobra-La]]! {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 4|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II #4}}

Operatives involved in this mission included [[Baroness]], [[Buzzer (G.I. Joe)|Buzzer]], [[Cobra Commander]], [[Destro]], [[Doctor Mindbender|Dr. Mindbender]], [[Percy]], [[Ripper (G.I. Joe)|Ripper]], [[Storm Shadow]], [[Tomax and Xamot|Tomax]], [[Torch (G.I. Joe)|Torch]], [[Tomax and Xamot|Xamot]], and [[Zartan]].

[[File:ArtofWar2 CobraCommander Bumblebee.jpg|left|upright=1.5|thumb|Shut your face! YOUR FACE! FAAAACE!]]

While attacking [[Area 52 (G1)|Area 52]] with the monstrous [[Cobratron]], Cobra Commander infiltrated the base and activated the deadly [[Serpentor|Serpent O.R.]] in the hopes of controlling the powerful humanoid, {{storylink|The Art of War issue 1|The Art of War #1}} only to have him escape to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] {{storylink|The Art of War issue 2|The Art of War #2}} and reunite the shattered Decepticon forces.{{storylink|The Art of War issue 3|The Art of War #3}} Cobra Commander managed to briefly take mental control of Serpent O.R., but was rendered catatonic when he was exposed to the energies of the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 5|The Art of War #5}}

Operatives involved in this mission included [[Baroness]], [[Cobra Commander]], [[Knox|Doctor Knox]], [[Zarana]], and [[Zartan]].

By the arrival of [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]], a number of Cobra operatives had been captured by [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]], including [[Darklon (G.I. Joe)|Darklon]], [[Overlord (G.I. Joe)|Overlord]], [[Tomax and Xamot|Tomax]]. The [[Baroness]], [[Destro]], [[Doctor Mindbender]], [[Firefly]], [[Iron Klaw]], and [[Zartan]] remained at large. {{storylink|Black Horizon, Part 1 of 2}}

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===''Transformers vs. G.I. Joe''===
Cobra was an ancient cult, founded around the worship of [[Koh-Buru-Lah (creature)|Koh-Buru-Lah]]. Though Cobra would use technology over the years, the writings of their deity had led them to venerate the organic over the technological. {{storylink|Expelled from the Garden}} In the closing days of the 20th century, Cobra Commander hired [[Destro]] as the group's exclusive arms dealer. {{storylink|Stick To Your Guns}}

By the late 20th century, Cobra had begun a war with G.I. Joe. When the brawling [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] intervened in a battle between the two human groups, it ended with Cobra Commander being presumed death. {{storylink|The Golden Boys}} With the Joes confident in their victory, they mopped up the grunts of Cobra unaware that the Serpentress, the rebranded Baroness was guiding Cobra behind the scenes. When the Decepticons arrived on Earth, Cobra secured an alliance with the invaders through their rescue of [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] and [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]]. {{storylink|I Saw Three Ships}}

Allied as "DeceptiCobra", the group attacked the ''[[USS Flagg]]'' only to fall into a Joe trap. Given their failures, Destro teleported himself to Cybertron to speak to Megatron. {{storylink|Funeral for a Friend}} The troopers later failed to stop [[Duke (G.I. Joe)|Duke]] from using the [[M.A.S.S. Device]]. {{storylink|Form Follows Function}}

Having been granted the services of [[Mini-Megatron]], [[Destro]] tried to kill the comatose Cobra Commander only to discover that the Commander had slipped away and left a Fred in his place. Let loose on the world, the Commander freed those that his former subordinates had tossed to G.I. Joe. {{storylink|Everybody Hates Metroplex}} Though acting independently, both factions of Cobra launched an attack on the [[United Nations]], the Commander's faction reinforced by Koh-Buru-Lah itself. {{storylink|Expelled from the Garden}}

At Megatron's order, Cybertron collided with Earth, seemingly destroying the organic planet. {{storylink|Pax Megatronus}} Under the Serpentress' rule, Cobra reestablished themselves on Cybertron. {{storylink|Earth: R.I.P.}} Cobra Commander eventually made his way to the metallic planet and retook control of his organization. As the Decepticons fought the Autobot/Joe alliance, Cobra Commander bargained for ownership of the planet [[Mars (planet)|Mars]] from Megatron. {{storylink|Transformers vs. G.I. Joe issue 12|Transformers vs. G.I. Joe #12}}

Though Cobra helped the Decepticons against their mutual foes, the chaos of the battle quickly made them irrelevant. After the Commander had been killed, Cobra retreated to [[Venus (planet)|Venus]] to await the birth of the prophesied [[Serpentor|Cobra Emperor]]. {{storylink|The War Never Ends}}

===''Knights of Unicron''===
The Cobra [[Terrordrome]] was the fourth venue for the [[Knights of Unicron (band)|Knights of Unicron]] on their 2014 "Till All Are One" tour. {{storylink|Knights of Unicron (band)|Knights of Unicron}}

===2005 IDW continuity===
{{mainIDW|Cobra}}
Cobra was a long-lived, dangerous secret society turned world conquerors. Their exact history is a mass of fiction and lies, but we're pretty sure Dante Aligieri (yeah, ''that'' Dante) was part of it. {{storylink|The Secret of the Mummy's Tomb}} The U.S. military team G.I. Joe became aware of them around [[2009]] and the two groups fought a war that escalated to the point where Cobra nuked out [[Nanzhao]], an atrocity second only to [[Surge (event)|the Decepticon invasion]] in all of Earth history. {{storylink|Secret Raiders: A Revolution Prelude|Secret Raiders}} At their height, they even managed to create a moonbase called [[Section Sabine]] but when the Joes cut off Cobra's access to it, everyone at Sabine ''died slowly'' as the Joes couldn't afford to retrieve them. {{storylink|Enter The Shadow}}

By the mid-2010s, under [[Tomax and Xamot|Tomax Paoli]]'s leadership, they attempted to publicly rebrand as 'peacekeepers'. This went tits up when [[Galibi]] and [[Schleteva]] went to war {{storylink|Crisis Intervention}} and in their moment of maximum weakness, Duke, [[Big Ben]], and [[Isaac Craft]] struck hard and successfully cratered the organisation. (Snake-Eyes, spying within Cobra at the time, was forced to kill Craft to keep his cover) {{storylink|The Iron Klaw}} When the Joes were reinstated as an international counter-alien force, Cobra remained in ruins. {{storylink|Revolution Humble Bundle trading cards}}

[[File:vol5-2 cobra tags.jpg|upright=1.2|thumb|"Neil, the bathroom's free. Unlike the country under the Thatcherite junta!"]]

Unknown to the world and indeed most of the eventually reformed G.I. Joe, the Baroness had been captured and was locked up without trial by Scarlett. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vol. 5 issue 2|G.I. Joe vol. 5 #2}} Other former Cobra bigwigs remained at large: in 2017, [[Crystal Ball]] resurfaced in Inner Mongolia, radicalising local insurgents with the Dreadnoks {{storylink|G.I. Joe vol. 5 issue 1|G.I. Joe vol. 5 #1}}, while Major Bludd was caught running around with the [[Oktober Guard]] {{storylink|Crisis Intervention}} and totally-not-a-crim-guys Tomax Paoli took a job as CEO of [[I.R.O.N.]] on behalf of [[Iron Klaw|Count von Rani]]. {{storylink|The Secret of the Mummy's Tomb}} Section Sabine was taken over on the quiet by [[Doctor X]]. {{storylink|Enter The Shadow}}

To the surprise of the Joes, a brief check of [[Greece|Greek]] anarchists found they were starting to use Cobra's insignia as a symbol of their movement. [[Gung-Ho]] believed they were just trying to shock their elders but Scarlett duly interrogated Baroness for info; the terrorists claimed she knew nothing about any potential Cobra revival. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vol. 5 issue 2|G.I. Joe vol. 5 #2}} The "Cobranarchist" organisers turned out to be [[Dire Wraith]]s and were violently put down. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vol. 5 issue 3|G.I. Joe vol. 5 #3}}{{storylink|G.I. Joe vol. 5 issue 4|G.I. Joe vol. 5 #4}}

[[Joe Colton]] and Professor X tried to get Tomax to take the mantle of Cobra Commander to fight the [[Revolutionaries]] {{storylink|The Secret of the Mummy's Tomb}} and he was eventually forced to do so. It didn't work too well! {{storylink|Strange Visitors}}

Baroness ''shockingly'' turned out to be lying about being unaware of the Cobra revival when the Cobranarchists and Dreadnoks freed her. A response by G.I. Joe stopped her from doing too much initial damage but she escaped to a newly constructed temple base, formally reviving Cobra with ''her'' as the new Cobra Commander! {{storylink|G.I. Joe vol. 5 issue 8|G.I. Joe vol. 5 #8}}{{storylink|G.I. Joe vol. 5 issue 9|G.I. Joe vol. 5 #9}} While also working for the new Cobra, Destro and Dr Mindbender were helping their old enemy Colton in his [[Iron Ring|anti-Transformer crusade]]. {{storylink|First Strike}} During that plot, Cobra Commaroness took advantage of the distracted Joes and not only absorbed [[V.E.N.O.M.]] into her ranks, she initiated a plan to steal artifacts that could be used to open a portal to [[Cobra-La]]. V.E.N.O.M. and their new combining robot were quickly sacrificed to pull the scheme off {{storylink|G.I. Joe: First Strike}}{{storylink|M.A.S.K.: First Strike}} and with the portal open, Cobranarchists could be sent through and turned into/replaced by snake monsters dubbed [[Cobra Viper|Vipers]].

Cobra goon Cesspool was taken in by the Joes and, fearing reprisals from the new Commander, snitched on the location of Cobra's new base: the [[Arctic|North Pole]], now partially melted and covered in dinosaurs! {{storylink|Scarlett's Strike Force issue 1|Scarlett's Strike Force #1}}

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===''Beast Wars: Uprising''===
When the Transformers first made themselves known in [[1984]], some people speculated that they were a new breed of Cobra weaponry. Concurrently, the band [[Duran Duran]] promised that their single "Union of the Snake" had absolutely nothing to do with Cobra. {{storylink|Cultural Appropriation}}

At some point in the late 20th/early 21st century, Cobra was defeated. The controversial [[Operation Staple Gun]] saw 731 Cobra scientists, engineers, and technicians offered amnesty if they agreed to work for U.S. intelligence agencies in dealing with the increasingly violent and dangerous threat posed by the Transformers. {{storylink|The Inexorable March}}

==Toys==
===''Titanium Series''===
*The character bio for the 6" ''[[Titanium Series]]'' [[Megatron (G1)/toys|Megatron]] makes reference to him currently being controlled by [[Cobra Commander]] and his [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]. This makes him the first Hasbro product officially recognizing a ''Transformers''/''G.I. Joe'' crossover—unlike [[Cyclonus (Armada)#Energon|Snow Cat]], where there was no explicit reference.

===''Combiner Wars''===
[[File:CW-toy Viper.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|It's me! I was the turkey all along!]]
*'''Decepticon Viper''' (Legends class, 2015)

:Part of wave 3 of ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' Legends class, Viper is a [[retool]] of [[Powerglide (G1)/toys#Generations|Powerglide]], transforming into a modified-for-legal-reasons approximation of an [[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes#A-10 Thunderbolt II|A-10 Thunderbolt II assault plane]]. He can also transform into a multi-barreled cannon that can be held by larger toys.

: Viper's deco is an overt [[homage]] to the Cobra [[Rattler]] from ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]]'', including two Cobra insignias (with [[:File:GI_Joe_vs_Transformers_hc.jpg|integrated]] [[:File:Cobra_Decepticon_symbol.png|Decepticon]] [[:File:TF2015-Legends1.jpg|insignia]], no less), and the "ZØ6" marking of Rattler pilot [[Wild Weasel]]'s personal Rattler on his right wing. His new face is even styled after Wild Weasel's flight mask.

: His packaging identifies him as an adjunct to [[Galvatronus (CW)|Galvatronus]].

: The mold was redecoed to make ''Adventure'' [[Dogfight (RID)#Adventure|Dogfight]].
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==Notes==
===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Cobra Army''' (コブラ軍団 ''Kobura Gundan'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Yǎnjìngshé Bùduì''' (眼镜蛇部队, "Cobra Troop")

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User:Spiderman

2021-12-08T19:33:02Z

Bluestreak7: dead link removal

I want to delete this account. I don't care about Transformers anymore because I've felt RUINED FOREVER with mainline because everything is just rehash of the same few guys with bland incremental design changes. Also this site is a security risk.

Talk:Autobot Shuttle Omega Delta

2021-12-08T19:32:06Z

Bluestreak7: dead link removal

Shouldn't this page just be at Omega Delta? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 17:36, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
:I dunno, is "Omega Delta" a name or a designation? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:52, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
::Is there particularly a difference? It just feels kind of like having a page at "Autobot Leader Optimus Prime", to me. Hell, this page doesn't use "Autobot Shuttle" ''once'', not even in the opening paragraph. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 17:58, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
:::Well, like "the ''Thirteen''" vs "Autobot Shuttle #13". I don't remember how it was ever phrased in the show, so I can't help in that aspect. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:11, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
::::I don't think moving this page will improve its content or accessibility at all. There is no benefit to doing so, other than ''potentially'' satisfying a technicality on naming conventions. Leave it where it is. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 18:28, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
:::::Nobody is going to search for we already have an [[Autobot shuttle]] article, and it makes no sense to have "Autobot Shuttle" here because it's an adjective, not the name of the shuttle. Move it. --[[User:DannyBoy|DannyBoy]] ([[User talk:DannyBoy|talk]]) 18:47, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
::::::I agree it's a minor, somewhat picayune even, alteration, but, well...
{{quote|The difference between the right word and the almost-right word is really quite important. It's the difference between the lightning and the lightning-bug.|Mark Twain}}
::::::We're not Hasbro, and we don't need to title pages like "Autobot Wheeljack". So, in short: this should be moved. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 20:11, 26 July 2017 (EDT)

FWIW, Blackarachnia called it "Autobot Shuttle Omega Delta." For encyclopedic purposes I could see the value in keeping it. It's the difference between "F-16" and "General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon," or "Enterprise" and "USS Enterprise." --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:12, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
:We've got articles for "Ark" and "Ark-19", but nobody's suggesting we move the latter to just "19". See also [[Subsector Hooks]] or [[Grid Zeiram]]. And "Omega Delta" is such a generic term, not clearly referring to a ship or specific thing, removing the "Autobot Shuttle" from the front would actually make it more obscure and harder to identify in searches. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 21:17, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
::Yes. I despise the size this talk page has already grown to discussing this. This is how it's referred to in dialogue. There's no advantage to moving it. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 21:19, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
:::If it's actually referred to this way in dialogue, then I stand corrected. -[[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:39, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
::::The shuttle is only referred to by name ONCE, in which it is "Autobot Shuttle Omega Delta". The words "Omega Delta" are ''never'' again used to refer to the shuttle either by name or without the "Autobot Shuttle" part. The words "Autobot shuttle" are used more than once in multiple media to refer to the ship ''as a general descriptor'', but its name was only ever spoken one time, and with all four words. Leave this article's title as it is. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 01:26, 27 July 2017 (EDT)

Thunderhoof (RID)

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{{faction|decepticon|primusvanguard}}
{{disambig2|the ''Robots in Disguise'' Decepticon|the ''Beast Wars: Uprising'' Maximal|Thunderhoof (BWU)}}
:''Thunderhoof is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 franchise)|Robots in Disguise]] portion of the [[Aligned continuity family]].''
[[Image:Thunderhoof.jpg|thumb|350px|"We see John Deere has come out with this year's line of rototillers. ''Surprise, surprise...'' They're green! I say it's time to send John Deere a ''Dear John''." "AH HA HA HA! Oh, that's ''classic!''" "You don't have to patronize me."]]

EYY YOO! So there's this bot, see? Goes by the name a' '''Thunderhoof'''. Heard of 'im? No? Well, youse is about to.

See, back on ol' [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], he was the big bot in charge of all kindsa... let's call 'em "legitimate enterprises", all right? Even a whole lotta the local law on 'is payroll to make ''sure'' they was legit, capisce? Any bot who messed with his operations, well, they better ''wish'' he sent [[Scowl (RID)|a goon]] or [[Silverhound|two]] out ta correct the problem. 'Cuz ol' 'Hoof's tough enough ta knock even a [[Dinobot (RID)|Dinobot]] for a loop. An' it ain't just the horns on 'is head that'll rough ya up. They don't call 'im "Thunderhoof" for nothin', know whut I'm sayin'? One good stomp from them big feet of 'is can send a surge o' energy strong enough t'a rip through th' ground an' really mess up anyone in th' way.

Which was just fine til some [[Clampdown (RID)|filthy snivelin' snitch]] got the bad cops (them's the ones who ''wasn't'' playin' nice with 'Hoof's boys, got it?) on the boss's case, so's they caught up with 'im, slapped 'im in a [[stasis pod#Aligned continuity|stasis cell]] an' shipped 'im offworld. Still, if ya know anythin' about th' boss, it's that he don't give up, ya see? If he can get outta that cell, you can bet your gearbox 'e's gonna be schemin' a way back ta Cybertron an' reclaim what's his.

And tear that dirty little squealer a new exhaust if'n he ever gets th' chance.<ref>Depiction in the 2015 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon.</ref>

{{quote|It ain't who wins the most fights, just who wins th' last one!|Thunderhoof|"[[Decepticon Island (Part 2)]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Cartoon continuity===
====2015 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Frank Stallone]] (English), [[Hiroaki Hirata]] (Japanese)|[[Alberto Sette]] (Italian), [[Gábor Seder]] (Hungarian), [[Frederik Haùgness]] (French, ''More than Meets the Eye''), [[David Manet]] (French, ''Out of Focus''), [[Yvan Reekmans]] (French, season 3), [[Matthias Deutelmoser]] (German), [[Eduardo Fonseca]] (Latin-American Spanish), [[Silas Borges]] (Brazilian Portuguese)}}
[[File:AsTheKospegoCommands Thunderhoof stomps.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Thunderhoof is on the move, Thundercats are loose.]]
Thunderhoof was a successful crime boss on Cybertron, who had managed to carve out a criminal empire by bribing law enforcement. {{storylink|As the Kospego Commands!}} He had plenty of tough bots like [[Scowl (RID)|Scowl]] {{storylink|Similarly Different}} and [[Silverhound]] on his payroll. {{storylink|Impounded}} Things were going well, until the Decepticon informant [[Clampdown (RID)|Clampdown]] alerted the law to his illegal activities. {{storylink|Sideways (episode)|Sideways}} He was eventually imprisoned aboard the ''[[Alchemor (RID)|Alchemor]]'' in a [[Stasis pod|stasis cell]]. Thunderhoof was freed when the ship crashed on [[Earth]].

Aiming to build a [[space bridge]] so he could return to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] and retake the reins of his criminal operation, Thunderhoof posed as a local legendary creature, the [[Kospego (myth)|Kospego]], and intimidated some [[human]]s into becoming his new minions. He provided them with a list of parts he needed for an "altar"- in reality a space bridge. When they proved unable to secure a generator, Thunderhoof took matters into his own hands and broke into a nearby dam. He knocked the sense out of [[Grimlock (RID 2015)|Grimlock]] and managed to secure the generator. He later returned to his construction site, only to find that [[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]] and [[Sideswipe (RID)|Sideswipe]] had chased off his workers. After defeating Bumblebee, Thunderhoof found Sideswipe willing to help him, but when the space bridge turned a strange color, he decided the Autobot should go through it first as a test. Instead the two Autobots forced him into the space bridge and he was transported elsewhere. Rather than Cybertron, Thunderhoof found himself still stranded on Earth, elsewhere in the woods. While he was contemplating restarting his criminal empire on Earth, he was approached by [[Steeljaw (RID)|Steeljaw]] who proposed they [[Steeljaw's Pack|team up]]. {{storylink|As the Kospego Commands!}}

[[File:Sideways Thunderhoof menaces Clampdown.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Thunderhoof wasn't exactly [[Rung (G1)|Rung's]] favorite when it came to therapy.]]
Steeljaw had Thunderhoof scout for a larger base than the [[Crown River Dam]]. {{storylink|True Colors}} Evidently, Thunderhoof succeeded as the Decepticons were later holed up in an abandoned factory. When Steeljaw brought Clampdown to join the gang, Thunderhoof recognized him as the snitch who had resulted in the crime boss's arrest. Infuriated, he attacked Clampdown over Steeljaw's protests. As Clampdown fled, he gave chase with the rest of the team chasing them ''both'', until they ended up in a landfill. As the rest of the Decepticons handled the Autobots who had come to capture Clampdown as well, Thunderhoof finally cornered Clampdown in a crater... and in the struggle, the two slammed heads together, rendering them both unconscious and easy arrests. Fortunately for them both, Steeljaw was able to free the whole gang before the Autbots could transport them back to base, and Thunderhoof reluctantly watched as Clampdown was inducted into the gang. {{storylink|Sideways (episode)|Sideways}}

[[File:Lockout Thunderhoof vehicle mode.jpg|thumb|left|260px|She thinks my tractor's sexy, it really turns her on.]]
Thunderhoof took part in a plan to take over the Autobots' scrapyard, though he was disgruntled at having to play the role of lackey to Steeljaw. After Underbite let the two captive humans escape, he was reluctantly teamed up with Clampdown to look for them. The pair ended up taking a ride down a rollercoaster though they manage to recapture Denny. Once the Autobots regained access to the base, Thunderhoof was defeated by Sideswipe, and later had to flee back to the Decepticon hideout with the rest of the team. {{storylink|Lockout}}

Out collecting parts for the device Steeljaw's [[The Fallen|mysterious friend]] wanted them to build, Underbite and Thunderhoof happened across Sideswipe and Strongarm, promptly capturing the pair with Fracture's help. Thunderhoof was amused when the "First Decepticon" started torturing Clampdown to make Steeljaw comply with his wishes, and the Decepticons were soon constructing the devices Steeljaw's ally needed. When Bumblebee and Drift arrived, Steeljaw sent Thunderhoof and Underbite to deal with them, and Thunderhoof was able to pin Bumblebee long enough for Megatronus to put in his appearance. He and the other Decepticons were rendered unconscious when [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] tried to interfere with the arrival. {{storylink|Battlegrounds, Part 1}} They came around in time to prevent the Autobots getting hold of Megatronus's staff, however when Megatronus turned on Steeljaw, Underbite, Thunderhoof and Clampdown attempted to flee. They ran straight into Team Bee, who took them all out after a brief fight. They were later safely stored in stasis pods. {{storylink|Battlegrounds, Part 2}}

After Steeljaw broke into the scrapyard, he deactivated Thunderhoof's stasis pod, alongside several others, as part of a bid to bolster [[Glowstrike]]'s forces. When Thunderhoof brought up Steeljaw's past failures at leadership, reminding him how he had gotten him captured, Steeljaw informed the Decepticons of his alliance with Glowstrike, and gave them coordinates to follow while he remained at the scrapyard. The escapees later reconvened at the wreck of the ''Alchemor'''s stern. There, they were inspected by Glowstrike, who seemed pleased by the new cadre of "elite warriors". {{storylink|Misdirection}}

[[File:PortalThunderhoof-UnderwhelmingMutiny.jpg|thumb|right|250px|"Yeah, I lost something. I lost peace and quiet. What do you need?! What do you want?! Can I not just live here, without having to occasionally deal with you animals?!?!"]]
Thunderhoof gathered with Steeljaw's other followers on the roof of the ship, where he and Clampdown debated staying loyal to Steeljaw. His would-be mutiny was shut down by Steeljaw, who updated his gathered brethren about his plans to overthrow Glowstike, until she and [[Saberhorn]] arrived to talk with Steeljaw alone. {{storylink|Portals}}

[[File:DecepticonIslandP2-EhOhWhat'sThis.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Anyone want to tell me who wrote "The Moon Rules #1" on my car with a key?]]Thunderhoof was present after the Autobots staged a raid on the Decepticon base, and were subsequently surrounded by the base's occupants. {{storylink|Decepticon Island (Part 1)}} Though the Autobots slipped away from them at this time, Thunderhoof and [[Groundpounder (RID)|Groundpounder]] later cornered Grimlock, Strongarm, and Sideswipe in a communications room. While Groundpounder and Grimlock faced off, Thunderhoof gleefully used his seismic stomp attacks on the other two Autobots. But Sideswipe managed to reach the console and create a debilitating high-frequency signal. Groundpounder and Thunderhoof both proved unable to cope with the noise and were knocked unconscious. They were presumably re-frozen after Optimus and Bumblebee detonated a [[stasis bomb]] in the ship's ventilation system. Thunderhoof was then taken back to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] by Optimus Prime, [[Windblade (RID)|Windblade]] and [[Ratchet (WFC)|Ratchet]]. {{storylink|Decepticon Island (Part 2)}}

The Autobots used a [[Simulator|training drone]] disguised as Thunderhoof in a training exercise. {{storylink|Strongarm's Big Score}}

When the [[Autobot High Council|High Council]] released Steeljaw from prison to keep Bumblebee and his team occupied while they made plans to summon [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]], {{storylink|Freedom Fighters}} Thunderhoof was also released with the promise of a full pardon should the Pack succeed in terminating the Bee Team. Returning to Earth, they mounted on assault on the scrapyard which drove out the Autobots, but lost track of where their quarry had gone. Thunderhoof immediately got into a disagreement with Steeljaw and announced he was leaving the planet on his own, but Steeljaw persuaded him otherwise by mashing his face in the ground. The Pack managed to lure the Bee Team to the [[Crown City Dam]] however they conclusively lost the fight that followed, with Thunderhoof first being thrown into an overloading generator, then managing to join the other Decepticons in plunging into the raging river. {{storylink|Exiles}}

[[File:PrisonerPrinciples Thunderhoof holds up Clampdown.jpg|thumb|right|290px|Tonight, You.]]
Thunderhoof and the other member of the Pack split up to search for members of the Bee Team. {{storylink|Breathing Room}} Gaining new orders from [[Soundwave (WFC)|Soundwave]], the Pack headed to a waste disposal site so they could dig up radioactive substances. The Bee Team showed up, resulting in another fight which ended when Thunderhoof used his ground stomp to open up a crevasse under the Autobots, though Steeljaw wasn't happy about the results. The Decepticons left with their prize, only to again encounter the Autobots in a warehouse, with the battle that ensued not ending favorably for the Decepticons. {{storylink|Prepare for Departure}}

Hearing that Clampdown had been arrested by the Autobots, Thunderhoof automatically assumed the 'Con had blabbed their current plan to break into the nuclear power plant. He turned out to be right, and when Clampdown arrived handcuffed to Strongarm, Thunderhoof set his sights on clobbering his fellow 'Con. His pursuit ended when Grimlock landed on him. Despite this interference, he managed to follow the Autobots into the power plant and rejoin Steeljaw, though the pair were again clobbered by Grimlock as they tried to escape with the nuclear fuel rods they'd acquired. The unconscious Thunderhoof was still mattering about Clampdown as the Autobots dragged him out of the plant. He and the other captured Pack members were later incarcerated in makeshift cells in the Autobots' cave. {{storylink|Prisoner Principles}}

When the Autobots returned to their scrapyard base, Thunderhoof and the other Decepticons were taken with them and reinstated in stasis pods. {{storylink|Something He Ate}}
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====2015 ''Robots in Disguise'' books====
After being reprimanded by Steeljaw, Thunderhoof and [[Underbite]] went for a stroll down to the Crown City docks, where they stumbled on [[Slink]]'s pet food hoarding operation. Thunderhoof tried unsuccessfully to sweettalk the catbot into letting him in on the action. When the Autobots arrived, Thunderhoof fought Sideswipe until he spotted Slink and her gang trying to escape with the pet food, and brought the whole warehouse down, unfortunately with himself still in it. He dug himself out and caught up with Sideswipe, only to charge off a cliff and end up at the bottom of the sea, facing a long walk to shore. {{storylink|Sideswipe Versus Thunderhoof}}

====IDW ''Robots in Disguise'' comic====
[[File:RIDissue6-thunderhoofvssideswipe.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Hit the Button, I'm Deadpool too.]]
Shortly after the defeat of Megatronus, Thunderhoof was freed from his stasis pod by Steeljaw along with the rest of Steeljaw's team. They set about mining [[energon]], though Thunderhoof wasn't happy with taking instructions from [[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicons]]. When Team Bee turned up, Thunderhoof gladly took part in the combat until the Vehicons eventually turned on Steeljaw. A bomb hurled by [[Steve (Vehicon)|Steve]] brought the mountain down on Thunderhoof and his fellows, who swiftly found themselves abandoned by Steeljaw and were returned to their stasis pods. {{storylink|Robots in Disguise issue 6|Robots in Disguise #6}}

===Precursor World===
Thunderhoof was a member of the [[Blue Order]] of the [[Primus Vanguard]]. When the traitorous [[Straxus (G1)#Precursor World|Straxus twins]] unleashed a rage virus to destroy the corps from within, he was slain in the ensuing brawl. Vanguard supreme leader [[Primus#The old universe|Primus]] later loaded Thunderhoof's lingering [[spark]] into his [[Golden Noah]] in an attempt to ferry his soul to the [[G1 World|next world]]. {{storylink|God Neptune comic 1}} Unfortunately, this did not work. {{storylink|Generations Selects Special Comic Finale Part 2|Finale 2}}

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==Games==
===''Robots in Disguise'' mobile game===
[[File:TFRID-Game-Thunderhoof.jpg|upright=1.33|thumb|You talkin' ta me? You talkin' ta me? I don't see no one else here, so you must be talkin' ta me!]]
*''unlock Starter'' — 500 Energon Cubes or 10 Ultra Sparks
*''unlock 1-Step'' — 2000 Energon Cubes or 40 Ultra Sparks
<gallery>
File:Thunderhoofstarter.JPG|''Frank Stallone?'' What, was Jim Belushi too busy? 
File:Thunderhoofonestep.JPG|Secretly, he transforms into a menorah. 
</gallery>

{{Note|Though he appears in the story as a CPU-controlled boss, Thunderhoof is also a playable character. Yes, he can beat himself up. His various toy-forms can be temporarily unlocked by scanning the badges on said toys. However, these and his show-accurate "Starter" form (which the CPU boss uses) can also be permanently unlocked by spending Energon Cubes. A "Starter" version can be unlocked for 500 cubes, and one modeled on a One-Step Changer toy can be unlocked for 2000 cubes. Neither is particularly powerful, and both turn into identical tractors with thresher attachments.}} {{storylink|Transformers: Robots in Disguise (mobile game)|Robots in Disguise}}

===''Protect Crown City''===
There were lots of Thunderhooves! They attempted to escape before the Autobots secured them back into their stasis pods. {{storylink|Protect Crown City}}
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==Toys==
===''Robots in Disguise'' (2015)===
{{note|Virtually every toy in this list has a scannable [[insignia]] sticker on it. For [[Hasbro]] releases, it temporarily unlocks that toy as a playable character in the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (mobile game)|''Robots in Disguise'' mobile game]], and can only be scanned once per day. [[TakaraTomy]] releases simply check that off on their mobile app's collection list. It's honestly quicker and less redundant to say which toys '''don't''' have this feature.}}

{{anchor|OneStep}}
[[File:RID2015OneStepThunderhoof.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.67|Transforming plastic fork of doom! ''(Hasbro Version Pictured)'']]
[[File:Transformers-Adventure-TED-12-Thunderhoof.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''(TakaraTomy version pictured)'']]
*'''Thunderhoof''' (One-Step Changer, 2015)
**''Japanese release date:'' '''2015-[[September 19|09-19]]'''
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TED-12'''

:Part of the third wave of ''Robots in Disguise'' One-Step Changers, (and the first Thunderhoof figure to be released), Thunderhoof transforms from robot to tractor in just one easy step! For reasons unknown, his vehicle-mode threshing blades do not form his robot-mode antlers. Thunderhoof can ride on [[Grimlock_(RID_2015)#Stomp_.26_Chomp|Stomp & Chomp Grimlock]], but does not activate any of the larger figure's gimmicks.

:His scannable Decepticon insignia is on his robot mode chest or vehicle mode back. As he's packaged in vehicle mode, this badge is scannable in-package, but is somewhat obscured by the front packaging card.

:His current stock photo is mistranformed: His vehicle mode's rake is not folded down.

:The TakaraTomy release of the toy, under the "Easy Dynamic Series" line, features additional paint applications to the body, shoulders, fists, and replacing the blue details on the thighs with gray. Thunderhoof also features a scan-badge, which is compatible with TakaraTomy's ''Transformers Chronicle'' checklist app.

::*''[http://www.transformers-universe.com/i.php?ID=5864 More information on Thunderhoof (1-Step-Changer) at Transformers-Universe.com]''

{{-}}{{anchor|Legion}}
[[File:RID2015-Legion-Class-Thunderhoof.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Thunderhoof''' (Legion Class, 2016)

:Part of the 6th wave of the ''Robots in Disguise'' Legion Class toys, Thunderhoof transforms from robot to tractor and back, and he features 3mm posts on his pair of hands and both sides of the tractor. His scannable Decepticon insignia is on his robot mode chest or vehicle mode hood, easily accessible while in-package.

:Due to his transformation scheme, Thunderhoof is one of the [[Fixit (RID)#Legion|two Legion Class figures]] to have a poseable head. His current stock photo is mistranformed: His vehicle mode's rake is not folded down.

::*''[http://www.transformers-universe.com/i.php?ID=6243 More information on Thunderhoof (Legion) at Transformers-Universe.com]''

{{-}}{{anchor|Warrior}}
[[File:2015RIDWarriorClassThunderhoof.jpeg|thumb|right|upright=1.67|''I'm a kingpin cooking Energon in the middle of the day'' ''Having dinner by the pool with the DEA'' ''Run you over with my tractor, GTA'' ''If you ever try to stop HeisenHoof getting paid! (Hasbro Version Pictured)'']]
[[File:Transformers-Adventure-TAV38-Thunderhoof.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''(TakaraTomy Version Pictured)'']]
*'''Thunderhoof''' (Warrior Class, 2016)
**''Japanese Release Date'': '''2016-[[March 19|03-19]]'''
**''Japanese ID Number'': '''TAV38'''
**''Accessories'': Rifle

:Part of the first wave of 2016 Warrior class figures, this Deluxe-sized Thunderhoof transforms from Tractor to Robot and back! He also comes with his own rifle weapon, which can be stored underneath his vehicle mode. His horns/rake is also poseable. His scannable Decepticon insignia is on his robot mode chest or vehicle mode hood, easily accessible while in-package.

:The ''Adventure'' release of Thunderhoof features an extensive paint applications to closely resemble his appearances in the cartoon, with his rifle now redecoed in the same color as his light blue body.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2016/Decepticon/Thunderhoof/thunderhoof.htm More information on Thunderhoof (Warrior) at TFU.info]''

{{-}}{{anchor|ThreeStep}}
[[File:RID2015-Three-Step-Changer-Thunderhoof.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|I'm gonna make ya an offer ya can't refuse. ''(Hasbro version pictured)'']]
[[File:Transformers-Adventure-TED16-Thunderhoof.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''(TakaraTomy version pictured)'']]
*'''Thunderhoof''' (Three-Step Changers, 2016)
**''Japanese ID Number'': '''TED-16'''

:Part of the 6th wave of the ''Robots in Disguise'' Three-Step Changers, Thunderhoof transforms from robot to tractor and back in just 3-easy steps!

:His scannable Decepticon insignia is on his robot mode chest or vehicle mode windshield, easily scanned while he's in-package.

:The TakaraTomy release of the toy features extensive paint applications to make him show-accurate. Thunderhoof also features a different scan-badge, which is compatible to the''Transformers Chronicle'' app.

::*''[http://www.transformers-universe.com/i.php?ID=6337 More information on Thunderhoof (3-Step-Changer) at Transformers-Universe.com]''

{{-}}{{anchor|SeismicStrike}}
[[File:TF-RID2015-Three-Step-Seismic-Strike-Thunderhoof.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|]]
*'''Seismic Strike Thunderhoof''' (Three-Step Changers, 2017)
:A redeco of Three-Step Changer Thunderhoof released under the ''Combiner Force'' [[subline imprint]]. His packaging advertises a "Hyper-Hook" gimmick (No, not a grappling hook gimmick, sadly).

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===''Adventure''===
{{anchor|TAV48}}
[[File:TF-Adventure-TAV-48-Legion-Thunderhoof.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Eyy yoo, 3 against 1 ain't fair!]]
*'''Team Bumblebee vs Thunderhoof Set''' (EZ Collection 4-pack, 2016-[[May 31|05-31]])
**''Japanese ID Number'': '''TAV48'''

:A redeco of the Legion Class Thunderhoof figure with extensive paint applications to any possible paintable plastic to make him show-accurate.

:Thunderhoof was released as a four-pack along with Bumblebee, Windblade, and Fixit. Like the rest of the ''Adventure'' EZ Collection sets, some online retailers like Amazon Japan were still selling it 2 years later at greatly reduced prices (70% off).
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==Merchandise==
===''Tiny Titans''===
{{anchor|TinyTitan}}
[[File:Thunderhooftinytitan.JPG|right|thumb|"No, my name isn't supposed to be hyphenated, it just wouldn't fit."]]
*'''Thunderhoof''' (Tiny Titans, 2015)
**''Series'': '''1'''
**''Number'': '''8/12'''

: Part of the initial assortment of ''[[Tiny Titans]]'' [[blindpacking|blindpacks]], this super-adorable version of Thunderhoof is a very small, soft-plastic figure of his robot mode.

: He includes a collectible card that includes a scan-badge for the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (mobile game)|''Robots in Disguise'' mobile game]], which unlocks a random amount of Energon "currency" and a randomized bonus power-up item.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2015/Decepticon/TTThunderhoof/thunderhoof.htm More information on ''Tiny Titans'' Thunderhoof at TFU.info]''

{{-}}{{anchor|TinyTitans2}}
*'''Thunderhoof''' (Tiny Titans, 2015)
**''Series'': '''5'''
**''Number'': '''9/12'''

: Part of the fifth ''Tiny Titans'' assortment, this version of Thunderhoof carries the bladed blaster from his Warrior-class toy (see above).

:As per usual, he includes a collectible card that includes a scan-badge for the ''Robots in Disguise'' mobile game, which unlocks a random amount of Energon "currency" and a randomized bonus power-up item.

:This assortment saw minimal-at-best distribution at "big box" retail, most reliably hitting through online outlets before filtering out through drug store chains.

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===McDonald's===
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==Notes==
[[File:RID-Thunderhoof-Hasbro-art-vehicle.jpg|thumb|250px|]]
*When asked about Thunderhoof's ultimate fate, [[Adam Beechen]] stated in a deleted blog post that he was brought back with the other imprisoned Decepticons to Cybertron after the events of "[[Freedom Fighters]]".
*Thunderhoof's name was previously used by the ''[[My Little Pony]]'' character "[[wikia:mlp:Chief Thunderhooves|Chief Thunderhooves]]".

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Thunderhoof''' (サンダーフーフ ''Sandāfūfu'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Léi Tí''' (雷蹄, "Thunder Hoof")
*''Russian:'' '''Thunderhoof''' (Сандерхуф ''Sanderkhuf'')

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Blue Order]]
[[Category:Gangsters]]
[[Category:McDonald's exclusives]]
[[Category:Robots in Disguise (2015) Decepticons]]
[[Category:Steeljaw's Pack]]

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SELAMAT DATANG DI HALAMAN PEMBICARAAN SAYA. INI DITULIS KARENA SAYA TAK INGIN HALAMAN INI TERLIHAT KACAU. KECUALI ADA YANG MERASA SAYA MELANGGAR PERATURAN WIKI INI, MOHON JANGAN MENGHAPUS SUNTINGAN INI. 

VIDESTURA SO MA SPRACHÈPAAG. ESTO WRITES CASÀ NO ICK WAAN ESTI SPRACHÈPAAG VISTES SÒ DESORGANISÉS. EXEPTO ÁNO QUÉ (UN FIÝL) ICK DÉFAXÉS L'RÚLOS DEL ESTI WIKI, IPCAS NO UNDO ESTI EDITE. 

WELCOME TO MY TALK PAGE. THIS WAS WRITTEN BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THIS TALK PAGE LOOKS VERY DISOGRGANISED. UNLESS ANYONE THINK (AND FEEL) I DEFIED THE RULES OF THIS WIKI, PLEASE DON'T UNDO THIS EDIT. 
--[[User:Andreanromanky18|Andreanromanky18]] 00:55, 4 August 2013 (UTC+7)

== Videstura - Welcome ==
{{welcome}}

== Romanisation or Romanization ==
Is there a reason you moved [[Romanization]] to "Romanisation"? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:24, 19 April 2013 (EDT)

That move wasn't necessary in the first place. If you believe that it should be moved to "Romanisation", give your reasons first at the discussion page on why. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 21:12, 19 April 2013 (EDT)

:Did I move it? I just waked up this morning. Well, I though it's my brother. He's a TF fan too. I left my tablet unlocked for the whole night. I guess he played it and open this site, then done unexpected acts. I'm sorry for this accident. You can move it back it neccessary. Really, I'm so sorry. --[[User:Andreanromanky18|Andreanromanky18]] 11:42, 20 April 2013 (UTC+7)
::Best to log out when you're done editing. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 01:11, 20 April 2013 (EDT)
:::This account has related to my tablet, for easier access. Usually when I done playing, I lock my tablet and my brother will use his own account. Anyway, thanks for the advice. --[[User:Andreanromanky18|Andreanromanky18]] 16:14, 20 April 2013 (UTC+7)

== About your talkpage... ==

Please refer to [[Transformers Wiki:User page|this article]], which says,

"While a user's page is theirs, the user's talk page (User talk:Username) 'belongs' to everyone else; it is a public forum for discussing that user."

and

"While performing cleanup and maintenance to your own user talk page is considered fine, simply removing content (especially criticism) may be seen as an attempt to whitewash your reputation. Your user talk page is 'for' other users to talk to/about you; artificially curtailing that talk can be considered vandalism, especially if a user is under fire/banned. Persistent attempts to remove talk page content are one of the few things that can result in a user talk page being locked against all editing."

"Cleanup and maintenance" may refer to moving old discussions to archive pages, removing vandalism, changing links, etc., but what you're doing is deleting messages and discussions. Please don't do that. [[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] 03:16, 22 April 2013 (EDT)

:Just do everything you want. I suffering for being harrased this week. [[User:Andreanromanky18|Andreanromanky18]] 03:26, 22 April 2013 (EDT)

== Your user page ==
You do know your address is on your user page? Unless it's your brother... --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 04:16, 22 April 2013 (EDT)
:Which one? --[[User:Andreanromanky18|Andreanromanky18]] 17:34, 22 April 2013 (UTC+7
:: If you mean your address, it's on your [[User:Andreanromanky18|main user page]]. We don't recommend revealing overly personal information like that. Also, I Google-translated your [[User:Andreanromanky18/Sandbox|sandbox page]]. What the... is that an argument/rant concerning your/your brother's edits or something? Ever thought about changing your password? [[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] 06:49, 22 April 2013 (EDT)

== Foreign names ==

In the foreign name sections, words in quotation marks are for what the name means in other languages. Words in italics are for direct transliterations. [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] 04:05, 30 April 2013 (EDT)

== About your English/"Evolution" contributions... ==

No, you didn't download a bad episode. Your Indonesian English is just rather confusing, and your grammar needs improvement. As for your reverted contributions in the "[[Evolution]]" article:

# The quote was perhaps seen as not being relevant enough.
# The "grenade" note is hard to understand, and is likely unnecessary from what I can gather. The grenade's explosion triggered a chain reaction that caused the rest of the lab to explode. The cave could just big enough that even an explosion that size would take a while to get to the Wreckers.
# While we ''do'' document it whenever proper terms pop up, like "Vehicon" or "Seeker", "[[Units of time|cycle]]" is just too generic a term. It's like documenting every usage of the word "[[scrap]]".
# Shockwave knows the Wreckers are there because the entire encounter is ''staged''.

Couple all of that with misspellings and missing/improper words, and people would likely just revert the edit altogether rather than fix each mistake. Hope this helps. [[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] 22:31, 3 July 2013 (EDT)

:Thanks, I got the point. I could really spend this holiday on Britain. [[User:Andreanromanky18|Andreanromanky18]] 00:42, 5 July 2013 (UTC+7)

==Orion's Senator Friend==
Just to be clear, I reverted your edit on that issue page because later stories did say that the Senator was Shockwave; the "Mysterious Senator" link in the character listing also goes to Shockwave. So, it's not speculation, but a fact confirmed by later fiction. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo|talk]]) 13:06, 27 December 2013 (EST)

Talk:Optimus Prime (WFC)

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[[Image:PrimeBeastHunters-Optimus-Prime2.0.jpg|right|thumb]]

This disambig tag fills me with glee. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 13:12, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:Though why people find this funny confuses me. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:22, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::I just imagine [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]] saying it, it. Or would that be Optimus Prime (Prime), (Prime)? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:34, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

I guess the archivist thing is from Exodus? 'cause in the WfC game he instead mentions having been a dock worker.[[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 14:44, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::When did he mention that? I honestly don't remember him saying that, but my memory is not exactly something to go on. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:06, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::It's during the in-game banter, I'd say during the second autobot chapter but could be the third. If memory serves, a teammate voices his approval of Optimus' taking matters in his own hands and acting like a leader and Optimus retorts as soon as the war's over he'll go back to working at the docks. [[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 03:47, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
: Yay, more inconsistencies! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:46, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::And I thought nothing could be more inconsistent with established continuity than AHM. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:49, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::And is it 100 percent certain the Optimus in WFC and the one in Prime will be the same guy, cause I've been tracking the news, and beyond a lot of speculation and vague suggestion, nothing seems confirmed [[Special:Contributions/148.197.8.240|148.197.8.240]] 00.01 30 Jube 2010
::::Everyone at Hasbro sure seems to think so. ''Exodus'', which is written apparently from the ''Prime'' show backstory, includes the events of WFC loosely within its second half. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:11, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::Even if they're not in the exact same universe, they're certainly in the same continuity family, so they'd get the same page. Just as Sunbow Prime and IDW Prime are both on the G1 page.[[User:Kaje|Kaje]] 19:31, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::And there are others. Well, I haven't read Exodus but based on the summary on this wiki it's more like two different stories that reach the same end point. For one, in WfC Optimus doesn't become a Prime at the beginning of the war, but after Zeta's death, mere days before the evacuation. And the Matrix is introduced in a completely different way, possibly doesnt even ''exist'' until the end of chapter 8. [[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 08:29, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::Exodus tries to have it both ways. Once you get to the end of the book and Sentinel dies, Optimus gets the Matrix then, and Alpha Trion notes that Prime wasn't truly a Prime until this moment, regardless of what the council said. So he was dubbed a Prime by the council at the beginning, but it wasn't really true until just before they left Earth. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:34, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::::Yeah, I guess it's an honorable fix, yet still doesn't mesh, mind you. In the game it's mentioned Optimus first refused to be a Prime, which is why he doesn't have the title (whether or not this landed Zeta the job is unclear since the way they word it at times I may almost think they could have several Primes at once) and the Matrix is unrelated to the Council and the Prime title they bestow.[[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 08:42, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::Why don't we just change the opening to "The young bot who would become Optimus Prime" rather than have it at Optimus or Orion Pax, and wait until Prime premiers and see if it ever goes with one or the other?

In the game, it's Optimus, not Orion Pax. Does the book override the game, or vice versa?
-ThiAthEhn
: The events of the game happen within the last half of the novel, after Optimus has stopped being Orion Pax. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:52, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::The tricky bit is still that the game starts before he decides to become Optimus Prime, ie in the novel he goes from Orion Pax to Optimus Prime, while in the game he goes from Optimus to Optimus Prime.[[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 12:52, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::Yeah, the article's current bio doesn't take into account the WFC game at all. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:59, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Hmm. The game does have a scene where Megatron and Optimus talk about something that happened between them before the game started. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:19, 2 July 2010 (EDT)

Small correction needed in Exiles section: "Blurr, Prime and Ransack." should be "Blurr, Override and Ransack." --[[User:Proximus|Proximus]] 19:08, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

== So, do we have to move WFC stuff I've written to new character articles? ==

Argh. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:48, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:Just like I predicted, yes. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 14:00, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::I'm too tired to clean this giant mess right now. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:01, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

== Profile Should Be Rewritten ==

The Character profile here right now is all Exodus stuff. But almost all of it is stuff that is totally different in WfC. The Character profiles are supposed to be generic and fit all version of the character. I think this one needs to be moved to the Exodus sub-section and a new more general Prime (Prime) (that's fun) profile written, Yes?--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 08:57, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
:I agree, it's a bit too specific about the Exodus stuff considering what a big deal WFC is as a form of Prime media. I believe the reason it totally lacks WFC stuff is because Walky wrote it and apparently hasn't played WFC yet. Well, I presume on the last, anyway. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:55, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
::I guess nobody cares then. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:57, 4 July 2010 (EDT)
:::I care, and I think it does need to be rewritten but I think that'll be a LOT easier to do once Prime is on TV and we have more to work with. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 07:23, 11 August 2010 (EDT)
:Exodus appears to be the official backstory of the Prime continuity, judging by the [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=7fd5ecd9-19b9-f369-1041-a7635be83172 official timeline]. For all the marketing hype about how WFC was totally in-continuity and everything, it appears the video game is, as video games usually are, a [[micro-continuity]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:44, 11 August 2010 (EDT)

== G1==

So Exodus is based off the prime cartoon but war for cybertron is a prequel to g1.And if you disagree hasbro themselves sayed that. {{unsigned|98.204.17.1|14:54, July 5, 2010 (EDT)}}
:Yes, it is, no it isn't, no they haven't, sign your posts, Do The Research. Thank you for your time. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:41, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
::I wouldn't jump to conclusions right now. Videogames based on franchises tend to get retconned, like what happened to the Ultimate Spider-Man video game. Also, the show has been described as a mix of Animated and Live-Action films, which the game doesn't really reflect. If we are going to reclassify characters we should use something like "Optimus Prime (WFC)" until everything gets really confirmed.[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 22:19, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
THANK YOU someone gets it. "unregistered" 11:35, 6 July 2010 (EDT){{unsigned|98.204.17.1}}

For Primus' sake, it was confirmed at Comic-Con that Prime follows on from WFC. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 16:33, 30 July 2010 (EDT)

== Toy ==

The fig looks awesome with [[Octane#Universe_.282008.29|Tankor]]'s guns on his forearms! [[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 14:33, 21 August 2010 (EDT)
:And this is relevant how? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:26, 21 August 2010 (EDT)

== Move ==

So yeah, I've been suggesting this for a while, and this goes for all WFC (including ''Exodus'') articles, which we're really treating as a separate franchise now we've gone with Aligned as the continuity family's name for now. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 05:02, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:I disagree with moving this article, because WFC isn't really a separate franchise. It's some tie-in games that Hasbro licensed to launch their new continuity with. The related toys didn't even have their own logo, they were released as "Generations". --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:17, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:Moving it just sort of feels "wrong" to me in a way I can't properly articulate. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:58, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:I disagree with moving any of these articles, for the reasons articulated by abates. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:01, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:No. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 08:09, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:I don't even consider War for Cybertron to be a franchise, so no. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 08:44, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:No chance in Hades. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:49, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::Right now I can see two distinct reasons beyond "no" (this isn't a poll actually). One, WFC is no less a franchise than Power Core Combiners, and it was a game accompanied by a novel, a comic and toys. At one point ''Prime'' toys were going to be released as Generations, but it's still a Transformers franchise. Afterall, [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] was released as part of the unsubtitled range last year, but he's still a G1 character.
::Chris, I know how you feel about moving it to (WFC) as ''Prime'' is where we're really getting to know these characters, that's why we have the ''Prime'' designs as the main images. If you are for uniformity, perhaps it is time to move [[Optimus Prime (Movie)]] to "Optimus Prime (LVF)", and this to "Optimus Prime (Aligned)"?
::Regardless, I will be adding WFC Autobots and Decepticons cats to these pages. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 09:45, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::Remember "a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds", or in more wiki-related terms "[[Help:Ignore all standards|in situations where the standards intended to prevent confusion would instead contribute to it, common sense should rule.]]" That's why all the Shattered Glass characters are at (SG) even though some of them are technically (Timelines).--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:12, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::"[[Optimus Prime (Prime)]]" debuted before "''Prime''" even existed. He predates ''Prime''. So I don't like "Optimus Prime (Prime)." Categorizing Aligned things by franchise might be obsolete. The toyline is no longer organized by franchise. I think "Optimus Prime (Aligned)" is the way to go. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:36, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::::I lean towards Optimus Prime (Aligned) myself because it's Right, though I also think there's a good argument for keeping it Prime (Prime) because its Simpler for Users. So...?--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 12:45, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::::No one outside the wiki will know what "aligned" means, and we don't disambiguate by continuity family anyway. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 13:48, 28 February 2011 (EST)

:::I didn't realize this conversation existed, so I started [[Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)#"(WFC)" instead of "(Prime)" for characters that originated in this franchise?|another one on the same topic over here]] and covered basically everything people have brought up. For the record, I agree entirely with what Alientraveller has said. "(WFC)" for most of these guys, "(Prime)" for the ones that originated in the cartoon, and "(Aligned)" for none of them because we disambig by franchise, not family. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:06, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::I feel if we're going to talk about moving a bunch of high-profile characters, it should probably be discussed somewhere more central like the community portal. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:43, 28 February 2011 (EST)

I believe we should keep O.P. (Prime) seperate from his WFC page. In my opinion, they are different enough to warrent seperation.--[[User:Megatron Prime|Megatron Prime]] 10:34, 2 March 2011 (EST)
: That is absolutely not going to happen. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:32, 2 March 2011 (EST)
:Yeah, because nobody is allowed to change in personality over the course of '''untold millions of years'''. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:45, 2 March 2011 (EST)
::He's not talking about the personality. At least, I hope not, since they're both Stock Movie Peter Cullen Prime. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:32, 2 March 2011 (EST)
:::Well, my point about change still stands just as well in regards to appearance as it does in regards to personality. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:36, 2 March 2011 (EST)
::::Yeah, just run down the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys]] page and look at all the 30 million bodies he went through. Prime (Prime) just has two. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:53, 2 March 2011 (EST)

: No no no no no no no no no no nononono fucking NO. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:20, 2 March 2011 (EST)
: If Hasbro hadn't specifically said that WFC and Prime go together, you might have had a point. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:27, 2 March 2011 (EST)

I agree with Sipher.

Page is staying at (Prime) for now, as with all WFC characters who are in ''Prime'', per an agreement at the Community Portal to keep those characters at (Prime) to not confuse the normal readers. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 14:07, 5 March 2011 (EST)

== Animated? ==

"The instructions show the rifle being plugged in by its shorter peg, which causes it to resemble the Transformers Animated Voyager-class Optimus Prime...", how does it resemble him at all?--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 16:18, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
:It's referring to the shape of the guns being similar. [[Special:Contributions/98.209.73.178|98.209.73.178]] 19:39, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
::And yet they aren't, at all. The note is removed. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:21, 25 March 2011 (EDT)

== Generations Prime stress marks ==

Should it be mentioned in the article that the panel his back wheels are attached to causes stress marks to the surrounding plastic around the hinges on the sides of his legs when the panel is flipped? I have the United and Darkside versions, and they both feature plastic hinge parts that are quite thick, meaning that the panel is tense, is difficult to flip over, and that the plastic tends to press hard onto his legs when flipped, resulting in some nasty stress marks. I'm just wondering whether anybody else has this problem. <strike>[[Special:Contributions/58.69.199.160|58.69.199.160]] 22:32, 10 November 2011 (EST)</strike> [[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] 21:45, 7 December 2011 (EST)

== Quick Question ==

Now that Optimus is a Decepticon, can anyone add a Decepticon insignia on the page?--[[Special:Contributions/69.19.14.39|69.19.14.39]] 17:01, 15 November 2011 (EST) P.S. I wonder if Optimus eventually will say "Tyranny is the right of all sentient beings.". The World will NEVER KNOW!
::No. That violates "Spoiler Rules." --[[User:Primo|Primo]] 23:25, 20 December 2011 (EST)
:::It has nothing to do with spoiler rules. We do not withhold information based on "spoilers". [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:28, 20 December 2011 (EST)
:::: We certainly do in some cases, and in those rare cases when we do, it's at the very top of articles. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:33, 20 December 2011 (EST)

==HOF?==
Is this optimus a hall of famer?

-Yep [[User:Laserbeak's Drunk Uncle|Laserbeak's Drunk Uncle]] 15:43, 11 November 2012 (EST)Laserbeak's Drunk Uncle

==Transformation Instructions==
"Push down on his ''hood?''" He doesn't ''have'' a hood. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:53, 28 November 2011 (EST)

==Aligned?==
What evidence is there that Optimus Prime is the same guy as WFC/Prime Optimus, other than the off-the-cuff comment that Cybertron is uninhabitable? It's not like a deserted Cybertron is exclusive to the Aligned continuity family, after all. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 18:04, 18 December 2011 (EST)
: The cartoon goes to great lengths to suggest there's a larger Transformers universe that Rescue Bots is not allowed to interact with. If this cartoon were truly its own thing, with no connections to any concurrently-running television show, they wouldn't be going out of their way to bring up the war and then make up excuses for why these dudes don't get to be a part of it. That this is [[Optimus Prime (Prime)]]'s "secret second family" is the simplest answer to the question of why all this complexity for no reason.
: Plus, frankly, I bet anything Hasbro produces these days is from that Aligned bible. The only reason these guys have separate pages to begin with is that representatives at Toy Fair said these guys were from a universe with no Decepticons. Clearly, that's not the case. And if we were never told that, I would have bunched up these characters with the Prime universe.
: Remember, the Prime continuity family also includes War for Cybertron. Two out of three of Hasbro's new outlets for Transformers content (WFC, Prime cartoon) are in the Aligned continuity family. To think that the third, Rescue Bots, is not included in this group, even though the RB cartoon spends considerable time to make it possible for the three to coexist... is illogical. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:17, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:: Fair enough, but I think we should at least wait for some kind of official confirmation before doing anything too drastic. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 18:21, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:::That might be a long wait. I mean, even if they stick a bit in Prime where someone walks in on Optimus having a secret phone call with Heatwave, a bunch of stuff needs to happen in Prime before they can get to that point. :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:32, 18 December 2011 (EST)
::::Yeah, given how Prime is currently going, I am pretty damn sure that Rescue Bots takes place either before or during the first season. I don't think it could happen during at least the beginning of the second, or possibly beyond. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:37, 18 December 2011 (EST)
::::: Wild mass guessing time! I'd probably say it would take place during the three-year lull in Decepticon activity before Darkness Rising. This would also probably explain away the minor but equally niggling aspect of Prime's different truck mode. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 18:50, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:::::: '''I don't think the visuals matter at all. Comparing WFC with Prime, for example, Hasbro feels that the visual style of any particular area within their Aligned universe can look however it wants, so long as it works for the story.''' --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:58, 18 December 2011 (EST)
::::::: I know, I know, I just like to fanwank over minor details. :p [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 19:00, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:: Also, where in Aligned would RB take place? I mean, Prime seems to take place in contemporary times, whereas RB seems to be set at some time in the future... [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 18:23, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:::RB takes place on an island which is specifically indicated as being a special place for experimental technology. That's another piece of evidence for RB sharing a universe with the Prime cartoon. If it didn't need to share a universe, they wouldn't have had to spend time talking about how this is a place different from everywhere else. They could have just set it in the future. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:26, 18 December 2011 (EST)
::::I think if it was in the TFP universe, Prime's priority would proooobably have any newcomer Autobots help with the war effort.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 19:01, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:::::Although, at the same time, it's made clear that the Rescue Bots are not designed for fighting, and it's not like Prime to force people into the war effort. Plus, there's the fact that this may or may not take place during a time when there was no Decepticon activity anyways. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 19:18, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:::::As Tom says. The war is brought up, but Optimus won't let them join. Why? Because they're the last known survivors of a rescue class of Transformer. Again, the show itself attempts frequently to explain why this RB show exists concurrently with the Prime cartoon while still making sense. It brings up all of the questions we would ask and answers them. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:13, 18 December 2011 (EST)

But it said the only human that knew their secret was charlie burns it the first episode. what about Fowler? ([[Special:Contributions/184.56.19.73|184.56.19.73]] 19:43, 18 December 2011 (EST))
:If Optimus didn't tell Fowler about the Rescue Bots, he's gonna be really annoyed. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:56, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:In the second episode, Optimus says, "I have found that the young of the species have been our most valuable allies." Clearly Charlie Burns was the only human to know about the Transformers... on that island. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:10, 18 December 2011 (EST)

I was going to say that this cartoon could also fit into the Movieverse.... except by the time Prime first starts his recorded broadcasts welcoming other Autobots to Earth, it's the end of Movie 1 and all of humankind already knows about TFs, meaning there's no need for secrecy for the Rescue guys. It would be very fun to merge Prime and RB, though I'm a bit concerned that that judgment might be being nudged forwards more by how much fun it is rather than how ironclad solid the evidence is. I don't think we are at our usual standard of evidence yet, but I also don't think we will ever get any more than what we've got now. The [[Galvatron II]] page includes the bio writeup for Universe Galvatron because he's potentially a toy of that character, with a disclaimer stating that he might not be as well. If these two Optimi are merged, I recommend taking the same tack: put in an intro note and/or italicize all the actions described from this medium. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:32, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:I say that let's all wait for a few more episodes to air. For example, if Bumblebee appears on the show and he justs happens to be able to talk, then it's confirmed to be an alternate universe or continuity from Transformers Prime. -- [[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 15:06, 19 December 2011 (EST)
:: His character model doesn't give him a mouth. Also, he has no voice actor. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:27, 19 December 2011 (EST)
:::But he still hasn't appeared yet so we can't know for sure. And his character model was concept art not final. Plus, what happens to all the human companions discarded in favor of the Burns?- [[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 18:26, 19 December 2011 (EST)
::It's already likely an alternate universe from Prime. The question is whether it fits into the Aligned continuity family, not the Prime continuity. I think it at least does the former. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:55, 19 December 2011 (EST)
:::I think the cartoon is pretty clearly intended to be in the same universe, with perhaps a few minor continuity hiccups. It is the toyline that appears to be in a slightly different universe from the cartoon so far. Cody is older, Charlie is younger, not a policeman, and not partnered with Chase, and the other characters have different partners. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:16, 19 December 2011 (EST)
::: Would it be too early to make a note of it on the [[Aligned timeline]] page? [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 19:18, 19 December 2011 (EST)
::: We only have some toys and 2 episodes For now. There are not enough proof to say that RB is part of Aligned Continuity or not. So can't we wait for further information? - [[User:Thunderweb|Thunderweb]] 06:49, 20 December 2011 (EST) (edited by [[User:Thunderweb|Thunderweb]] 07:08, 20 December 2011 (EST))
::::As I stated on the other talk page discussion, the burden of proof is on those who say it doesn't fit. Hasbro's said that all of their new properties going forward are working from the Aligned bible. Until something comes up that tells us this cartoon is strangely exempt from that edict, RB is by default in Aligned. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:28, 20 December 2011 (EST)
I just realized one thing that doesn't add up with this show and Prime. In Prime, the Earth's core is filled with Dark Energon/Unicron. In Rescue Bots, it's filled with lava/magma. Though, at the end of "One Shall Rise, Part 3" the Dark Energon in that volcano looked like turned (back?) into lava, so... what's the connection between Dark Energon and lava? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 11:51, 21 December 2011 (EST)
: Volcanic lava does not come from the Earth's core. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:57, 21 December 2011 (EST)
::Okay. Though, there's still the matter of one volcano spewing lava and another spewing Dark Energon if they're both linked to the same planetary core. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 12:16, 21 December 2011 (EST)
::: Volcanoes do not work that way. Good night. :p [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 12:18, 21 December 2011 (EST)
:::Lava obviously ''does exist'' in the Aligned universe. ''Prime'' even mentions other normal volcanic eruptions, like the one at the [[Kamchatka Peninsula]]. It's not a problem. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:20, 21 December 2011 (EST)
::::Thanks, Chris. I'm all for Rescue Bots being in Aligned. Just pointing out any things that need clearing up. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 12:27, 21 December 2011 (EST)
Something that makes me lean more towards it taking place before Prime season 1 would be Optimus Prime's altmode. In Prime, he is certainly a long-nosed truck. The Rescue Bots Optimus toy has him turn into a flat-nosed truck. If he ever eventually transforms in the Rescue Bots cartoon, here's hoping his altmode is one that doesn't interfere with the overall shape of his Prime altmode. Cuz, unless he's doing some spontaneous altmode switching, him turning into a flat-nosed truck would lean more towards Rescue Bots taking place before Prime, allowing Optimus to be two different kinds of trucks in both shows. But, if the show has him turn into a long-nosed truck, in spite of what toy turns into, then there's more leeway for the Rescue Bots cartoon to occur at either time (before or during Prime season 1). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:56, 31 December 2011 (EST)
:See the edit I bolded above. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:00, 31 December 2011 (EST)

== Robot Heroes and Prime Together? ==

Has hasbro ever said that Robot heroes and and Prime are in the same continuity and if so does that mean that the Prime cartoon and the Robot Heroes cartoon are in the same time line? Doesn't that kinda contradict each other? --[[User:Mojotron|Mojotron]]
: It's "Rescue Bots." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:15, 31 December 2011 (EST)
: 1)Same "continuity family" not necissarily same timeline (look up the difference if you don't know) and 2) No, not at all.
Crap. Don't know why I said why I said Robot Heroes. Has Hasbro ever said said they share the same continuity?
:See above. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:53, 31 December 2011 (EST)
Sure it could be in another timeline but what evidence do we have that they are in the '''SAME CONTINUITY?''' just 'cuz they both show on the Hub doesn't mean that they are the same continuity [[User:Jazzerprime]] 2:47, February 3 2011
::See above "Aligned" conversation. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 02:44, 3 February 2012 (EST)
: Kline said in a web-interview-thing that yes, they're in the same continuity, just to clear up who said it. ~[[User:Oberoniss]]

== Orion Pax, Part 1 ==

You forgot to update the article. Even though by the time you read this it might already be done. You forgot to add info on Orion Pax, Part 1 and on Rescue Bots. They both aired today. I know because I watched both of them.[[Special:Contributions/71.162.103.239|71.162.103.239]] 23:08, 18 February 2012 (EST)
:People will edit articles when they feel like it. We do not need your reminders. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:12, 18 February 2012 (EST)
::Rescue Bots is already covered too. Eesh. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:13, 18 February 2012 (EST)

Should we put a Decepticon insignia in the top right corner, seeing as "Orion" bore their insignia in "[[Orion Pax, Part 1]]"? What do you think?{{unsigned|68.147.45.66}}
:Seems logical. Silverbolt gets one because he was a member for like a half-hour in one episode. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:24, 18 February 2012 (EST)
::I was going to ask the same thing? But never mind. I just have to say that things can change fast sometimes. This is one of those times. [[Special:Contributions/71.162.103.239|71.162.103.239]] 23:27, 18 February 2012 (EST)

== Mergining the Rescue bots and Prime cartoonssection ==
Since Exiles and Exodus sections were merged to a single section named Alinged Novels, then i had an idea why not we merge the Prime and RB Cartoons section aswell?. just an idea [[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]] 23:21, 22 April 2012 (EDT) [[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]]
: No. We don't know in which order events happen between the two series, even if we wanted to merge those sections. There's a huge difference between putting two consecutive novels from the same series in a section and two completely different cartoon shows in the same section. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:46, 22 April 2012 (EDT)

== BS Optimus w/ Trailer/Launcher ==
Its been out for about 3 months. --[[User:Kohu Maximus|Kohu Maximus]] 16:20, 6 May 2012 (EDT)
: And you've had the ability to update such information yourself for 5 years. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:24, 6 May 2012 (EDT)

==Latest Edits==
I updated this page for Optimus Prime with what may appear to be an essay, but is a lowdown of his personality - because it's HIS PAGE. Additionally, some of the information was getting a little out of date. Please, Its Walky, don't go about reverting it just because you think it should be short.
[[User:Harley Quinn hyenaholic|Harley Quinn hyenaholic]] 10:31, 21 September 2012 (EDT)

== Rename ==

Since he started out as Orion Pax, shouldn't the page be called that? That's usually the case.[[User:Transfan 1992|Transfan 1992]] 18:28, 21 December 2012 (EST)
:What? No, it isn't. [[Optimus Prime (G1)]] is not at Orion Pax (G1). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:44, 21 December 2012 (EST)
::Well the difference is, the G1 Optimus has several origins. In some stories, he is Orion Pax, in others he's Optronix, and in some, he's just Optimus at the beginning. With this incarnation, he's always Orion Pax. And with this whole Aligned continuity and there having to be one universe, it's unlikely this Optimus will get a contridicting backstory. I mean [[Smokescreen (Armada)]] isn't named "Hoist (Armada)".[[User:Transfan 1992|Transfan 1992]] 15:35, 25 December 2012 (EST)
:::He already has a contradictory backstory: His pre-Prime name is "Orion Pax" in Exodus and "Optimus" in War for Cybertron. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:21, 27 December 2012 (EST)

== Moving? ==

[[User:ArceeFanGirl|ArceeFanGirl]] 17:42, 27 December 2012 (EST)I think you should make seperate character pages for WFC characters and leave the Prime characters where they are.

It should be like this.

Optimus Prime (WFC)
Optimus Prime (Prime)
:Wait, split? Why? They're the same character. That's like saying we should split consider Sunbow cartoon Optimus Prime a separate character from Marvel comics Optimus Prime. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:10, 27 December 2012 (EST)
: That would present false information, so no. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:27, 27 December 2012 (EST)

== Optimus Prime profile photo ==
[[File:Optimus Prime-Prime-stock-render-alternate.jpg|150px]] [[File:PrimeBeastHunters-Optimus-Prime2.0.jpg|250px]]

Hi I'm curious to know if your planning to upgrade Optimus profile pic from his season 1-3 look to his 2.0 look that he got in Transformers: Prime season 3 Beast Hunters "Rebellion"?--[[User:Optimal OptimusPrime|Optimal OptimusPrime]] 14:31, 29 July 2013 (EDT)
:Our policy seems to be "first body or most well-known body" with the mainpics, which is his season 1-2 body. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 14:36, 29 July 2013 (EDT)
::To quote [[Help:Example character article|the relevant help page]], "''Characters often have multiple bodies, so the main image should be their original "real world" form, and as full-body as possible.''" [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 14:40, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

== Toy Page? ==

Should we move the toys/merchandise to a toys category?
- [[User:Kuptrion|Kuptrion]] 20:02, 20 October 2013 (EDT)

==[http://tylerscarletart.blogspot.hu/2012/10/transformers-prime-orion-pax-design.html Interesting Concept Art for TFP!Orion Pax]==
I found this in a link while scrolling tumblr, it was done by an artist who was interning at Hasbro in 2010. He said it was an assignment given too him while he was there. I know the design concepts are unofficial, so I figured they shouldn't be posted or uploaded too the wiki. But I figure since this guy worked so hard on it, it deserved to be shared with the fans. I also thought you guys might wanna see it. [[User:Ixbran|Ixbran]] ([[User talk:Ixbran|talk]]) 21:30, 18 November 2013 (EST)

== Tiny Titans caption? ==

[[File:BotToTheFuture Optimus steps forward.jpg|thumb|Guest starring in an all new ''Tiny Titans'' comic book.]]
Since i imagine [[Tiny Titans|Transformers]] [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Search?search=%22tiny+titans%22&fulltext=Search Tiny Titans] have little or nothing to do with the [http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Tiny_Titans Tiny Titans] referenced in the [[Optimus_Prime_(WFC)#Rescue_Bots_cartoon]] caption transcribed here, should we maybe change or remove that caption? ...Then again, who knows if somewhere in the near future there might not ''be'' a Tiny TF Titans comic book with an Optimus looking like this.

--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 00:54, 8 March 2015 (EST)

--Question--
Optimus Prime did not appear in The Reign of Morroco but was away from his base but yet it is mentioned but he did nothing but concept art for him was shown in Double Villainy-SeanTF1967

== Is it too early... ==

...to divide the main page into subsection pages like we do with various characters from ''G1''/''Beast Wars''/the live-action films, etc.? I'm talking about the potential of a page like "Optimus Prime (WFC)/Cartoon continuity."

Or would it not work since the works of the Aligned continuity are much closer related than all of the G1 sub-stories? [[User:John3637881|John3637881]] ([[User talk:John3637881|talk]]) 14:42, 2 June 2016 (EDT)
:It's certainly a candidate, being the [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:LongPages 17th largest page on the wiki right now]. I think in this case the wisest option would be to simply split off just the ''Prime'' cartoon and maybe explicity ''Prime''-branded tie-in fiction, since as you say, it would be very hard to define a specific "cartoon continuity" with Aligned where everything is kind of in continuity but also kind of not at the same time. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 15:06, 2 June 2016 (EDT)

== First reveal of this Optimus being in the Thirteen ==

What media first officially revealed that this Optimus was a member of the Thirteen? I was surprised, considering how prominent the information is on this page, that the whole of ''Transformers: Prime'' doesn't reference this fact - I watched the whole show waiting for a plot twist that never occurred... I gather from the information on this page that ''Robots in Disguise'' goes on to address it, but had it already been revealed anywhere else? --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 14:46, 27 November 2017 (EST)
:It came from the ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus]]'', December 2013, roughly six months after ''[[Deadlock]]''. The Covenant was the first time the full roster of the Thirteen was revealed by any media. See their page (and talk page) for the conflicts this caused. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 15:09, 27 November 2017 (EST)

== Optimus Prime's Pre-Prime name ==

In WFC game, Optimus' name was Optimus before he became a Prime. But according to FoC, his name was Orion Pax. So, this means: Orion Pax> Optimus> Optimus Prime. But, in WFC comic, Halogen made Orion Pax ''Optimus Prime''.
My theory: After the war started, Optimus Prime has dropped “Prime” from his name, so he became “Optimus”. Somehow, Sentinel Zeta Prime escaped from the Decepticons and became leader of the Autobots. [[User:HispasatBot|HispasatBot]] 18 February 2020

User talk:Abates/Archive 6

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==Moderators==
Hi! Just wanted to ask if all moderators were chosen during the early days of TFwiki. Thanks. [[User:Optimus Prime (Convoy)|Optimus Prime (Convoy)]] ([[User talk:Optimus Prime (Convoy)|talk]]) 03:41, 1 January 2015 (EST)
:By the way, apparently iOS doesn't like to allow users to view recent edits, histories or even edit at all.[[User:Optimus Prime (Convoy)|Optimus Prime (Convoy)]] ([[User talk:Optimus Prime (Convoy)|talk]]) 03:44, 1 January 2015 (EST)
::The admins were gradually picked over the years the wiki has been in operation (almost ten years now!) --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:32, 1 January 2015 (EST)

==Small favor==
While extracting Macro's backstory from the game files, two letters didn't come out right. I don't know much about Transformers Lore and just wondering if you got any suggestions on what each of the letters might be? (Considering the rest of Macro's backstory does seem mention references to existing locations in TF lore.)
Here's the words that contain missing letters:
*"Speed*a"
*"Tower of *ion"
[[User:Plasmapause|Plasmapause]] ([[User talk:Plasmapause|talk]]) 16:17, 5 January 2015 (EST)
:For the first, there's the [[Speedia|Speedia 500]] - Speedia is also the Japanese name for [[Velocitron]].
:For the second, probably the [[Tower of Pion]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:28, 5 January 2015 (EST)
::That certainly fits in perfectly, many thanks for your help! -- [[User:Plasmapause|Plasmapause]] ([[User talk:Plasmapause|talk]]) 16:48, 5 January 2015 (EST)

== Double-redirects ==

Sorry, forgot t'check the really obvious bits! - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 05:34, 21 January 2015 (EST)
:No worries! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 05:50, 21 January 2015 (EST)

== Image Import Error ==

I stuck a bunch of files with no description whatsoever in C:IIE a while back in the hope it might prompt someone to identify where they came from. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 06:19, 8 February 2015 (EST)
:That's really a situation where applying a template would be better, I think. They're more visible on the image description than a category is. :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:32, 8 February 2015 (EST)
::Fair point. I think I didn't want to create the template at the time. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 19:24, 8 February 2015 (EST)

==Paper Magic Group==

Dunno what's going on with them, but we usually have 2 - 3 sets a year from them with the same name despite covering different continuities. I find that sticking a franchise tag on each page is likely the best way to keep them apart. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 16:46, 25 February 2015 (EST)

== WWOD image ==

Any chance you could replace [[:File:RID2015-BumblebeecontactsOptimus.jpg]] with a better-quality 16:9 image? Its mismatch with the other images on the page is really bugging me. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 04:42, 6 May 2015 (EDT)
:Sorted! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:53, 6 May 2015 (EDT)
::Thank you! [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 04:57, 6 May 2015 (EDT)
Can you do the same for "File:RID-bumblebeeholdsdebris.jpg"? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 02:05, 2 June 2015 (EDT)
:I've been meaning to start a discussion about replacing that as a main image, actually. Typically our main images are either something notable about the episode, or a particularly funny moment, and that image seems like neither to me. I need to find a better suggestion first though! Just haven't gotten around to looking. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:47, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

== TFU Weapons ==

Hello Abates. Sorry to bother you, but I saw that you fixed the [[Badlands Saws]] page when I noted it was missing some info. After I found that, I double-checked the rest of the TFU weapons and found that the Badlands Saws were also missing the "tip quote" most of the other pages had. On top of that, the pages for the [[Assail Laser Rifle]], [[Atomic Axe]], [[Galactic Axe]], [[Lambda Pulse Blaster]], [[Maxima Missile Launcher]], [[Positron Shotgun]], [[Solo SMGs]], and [[Vice Heavy Grenade Launcher]] are all missing their tip quotes AND their info underneath their images. I had made a note of it on the Badlands Saws talk page, but it's been a few days since I posted it and it hasn't changed and I unfortunately cannot make the changes myself. "[[User:SoundJack426|SoundJack426]] ([[User talk:SoundJack426|talk]]) 10:14, 28 December 2015 (EST)"
:Hey, it's not too difficult to find the info. If you go to the page of the owner of the weapon, it'll have a link to their profile page in the references section. Though the Transformers Universe site no longer exists, you can go to [http://archive.org/web/ the Internet Archive] and put the URL in to see what it looked like when it was operational. E.G. this is Doubletake's profile page: [http://web.archive.org/web/20141222061650/https://www.transformersuniverse.com/warriors/doubletake]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:01, 28 December 2015 (EST)
::Ok! Thank you very much for showing me that! I'll take care of those other pages now. "[[User:SoundJack426|SoundJack426]] ([[User talk:SoundJack426|talk]]) 17:30, 28 December 2015 (EST)"

== "Fleshy" versus "Fleshie" ==

I saw that you spelled the word "F-L-E-S-H-I-E" [[:File:PrimeVsZombies Fleshie Zombie.jpg|here]]. Is this an acceptable spelling of the word in your reigon? I haven't been able to find anything suggesting that this is the case in my Google searches, but I thought I'd double check before dismissing your spelling as "incorrect". -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 16:16, 19 January 2016 (EST)
:Ordinarily it should be "fleshy," but "fleshie" may be how the game spells it. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 16:45, 19 January 2016 (EST)
::Fleshie as in a zombie made from a [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Search?search=fleshie&go=Go fleshie], not a zombie which is fleshy. It's not a term that is used in the game, as far as I recall. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:50, 19 January 2016 (EST)
:::Ooooooohhhhhh. In that case, it should stay the way it is. Glad I checked. Cheers! -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 17:04, 19 January 2016 (EST)

== Redirect to delete ==

"Conspicuously-unnamed senator", since it's protected and I can't tag it to be deleted. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:50, 22 January 2016 (EST)
:Sorted! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:32, 22 January 2016 (EST)

== Tarantulas ==

Sorry about that. In my excitement I thought his minimal involvement in the two released issues was sufficient for that to go in the intro section. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:58, 25 January 2016 (EST)
:Erring on the safe side is usually best where spoilers are concerned, and it's best to wait until the whole issue comes out before adding info from it anyway. I mean it's unlikely, but on the pages we haven't seen, he might go "HAHAHA! Only kidding, I'm actually Sideways." --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:36, 25 January 2016 (EST)

==Page histories to be merged==
I think [[Noble (BM)]] has missing history under "Noble/Savage"? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:44, 11 February 2016 (EST)
:Yep, done! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:53, 11 February 2016 (EST)

==Upload Images==
How do i become able to upload images? I tried to add some but it says insobt have permission to creat a new page. Thanks.
[[User:Wellofallsparks|Wellofallsparks]] ([[User talk:Wellofallsparks|talk]])

== Episode Template ==

I'm interested in replicating the code used for the "prev" and "next" buttons on other wikis, if that's okay. It looks like the button is handled as a "tti_buttonlink" class, which means I don't know where the code for it is held. Could you help me figure that out?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 14:02, 2 May 2016 (EDT)
:Hey! It's about halfway down [[User:Derik/Common tmp.css|this page]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:23, 2 May 2016 (EDT)

Talk:Nemesis Prime (Animated)

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This is probably a "no", but has there been any merchandising info to suggest that "Image:AniVoyagerOptimusBlackVersion.jpg|Black Optimus" is meant to be a Nemesis?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:55, 10 June 2011 (EDT)
:As I understand it, Nemesis Prime ''is'' Black Optimus repurposed. And by "repurposed," I believe I mean "has a Decepticon symbol instead of an Autobot one." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:04, 10 June 2011 (EDT)
::In that case, would it be okay to put that toy section up on this article?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 22:33, 10 June 2011 (EDT)

== Reference to Alt Nemesis Prime ==
"Yeah, except this one was stolen by Straxus, not lost in a timehole."
Which is exactly my point. Instead of thinking the reference is wrong because one mentions Straxus and one doesn't, look at the events. In both cases, immediately after their creation, they both vanish mysteriously; Animated by Straxus' hand, Binaltech by Optimus Primal's spark. No, they're not exactly the same, which is why it's a reference, not a recreation. Particularly as the article is claiming to know better than the official record (DJW). {{unsigned|118.209.85.95}}
:Yeah, except DJW said the bit about Straxus was taken from Alt Nemesis Prime's bio. Not the bit about "vanishing soon after his creation". Straxus having to do with Nemesis Prime comes from the Universe toy bio. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:20, 12 January 2012 (EST)
:: The article doesn't say that at all; that the involvement of Straxus (period) being a reference to <strike>Alt</strike> U2.0 Nem Prime. It says "the bit about ''Straxus taking command of Nemesis''". Which doesn't match up with the Universe 2.0 bio; Straxus essentially created U2.0 N.P, not took command of him. So, what you seem to have here is a dual-reference of "[[Nemesis_Prime_%28G1%29#Universe_Classic_Series_toy_bio|Straxus]] [[Nemesis_Prime_(G1)#Story_of_Binaltech|taking command of Nemesis (not forgetting all the vanishing)]]". {{unsigned|118.209.85.95}}

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== Beast Wars vs Beast Era ==

The "Beast Wars" is the battle between Optimus Primal's Maximals and Megatron's Predacons that occurred on prehistoric Earth. The Beast Era is the native time era of those characters. The distinction is, perhaps, not made clear in the sentence that you changed. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:02, 13 October 2010 (EDT)

:Thanks, however, while I do understand the difference between the Beast Wars and the overall Beast Era, it seems to me that the period that is described as taking place over a variable 3-ish million years is surely supposed to be the Great War depicted earlier in the G1 timeline by the G1 franchise (to make a similar distinction), rather than the Beast Era/Wars, which is how that part of the sentence originally read. As originally written, the sentence appeared to be vaguely contradictory, unless what you mean is that the overall conflict between Primal and Megatron's Beast Warriors (The Beast Wars) are look place ACROSS a 3 million year period DUE TO TIME TRAVEL, as distinct from the date of the "native" beast era being 300 years after G1?
:I'm now actually pretty sure the latter is the original intent of the sentence, but as my confusion indicates, it is not a particularly clearly-expressed point.
:May I suggest and alternative phrasing to better clarify the issue?
::From the [[Beast Wars (franchise)]] page
:::==Prehistoric Earth==
:::The Beast Wars' time period (like its exact location,<ref>Visual evidence suggests Northern Africa, but that would of course be impossible given some of the distances shown being covered on foot. (The main reason their location was left vague, thus, was a narrative one.)</ref>) was never established during the cartoon's original run. In the years ''after'' the cartoon ended several official dates have been given:

:::* 3,000,000 years ago — [[The Transformers: Micromaster|Reissue Sixtrain Booklet]]<ref>The Japanese dating of the events of Beast Wars as "3 Million Years Ago" appears to stem from mis-reading Optimus Primal's statement in the episode "[[Optimal Situation]]" that they would have four million years to "scrape Megatron off the walls" as a literal rather than figurative timeframe. Regardless, 3 million years is unquestionably 'correct' ''for'' ''[[The Transformers: Micromaster]]'' continuity... it was the age of wreckage discovered from that era.</ref> — (August, 2003)
:::* 180,000 [[wikipedia:Anno Domino|BC]] — "[[Primeval Dawn Part 2]]" — (July, 2004)
:::* 70,000 [[wikipedia:Anno Domino|BC]] — [[The Gathering issue 2|''Beast Wars: The Gathering'' #2]] — (March, 2006)

:::Each of these dates applies to a different [[continuity]] or "alternate dimension" within the Transformers Multiverse, so they do not ''conflict'' with one another. The Maximals and Predacons in those dimensions simply crashed at different times, but had otherwise identical adventures. (Generally with different events taking place 'offscreen' unique to each "expanded continuity".)

:::Though Earth's geology and biology seen in the cartoon does not fit any single era, the loose "window" of 70,000–180,000 B.C. seems to represent two extremes that are "about right."

::Thus, the events of the Beast Wars are said to have occurred 3 million years ago, 180000 years ago, or 70000 years ago depending on the exact continuity being discussed. However, the Beast Era the characters originated from is ALWAYS ~300 years later than the destruction of Unicron. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:28, 13 October 2010 (EDT)

:::: Aha! So, I was still wrong on all counts.
:::: :-X
:::: Thanks very much for explaining, it is certainly appreciated. May I suggest that the statement as written in the article is still sufficiently obscure/unclear (albeit technically accurate) to warrant slight rewriting/expansion to better illustrate the point, as you have now successfully explained it to me? I doubt I'm the first person to make either of my two successive false interpretations of what that sentence actually means.
:::::Agreed. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:44, 13 October 2010 (EDT)
:: Thanks dude. Would you mind having a stab at it yourself? You clearly have a more comprehensive command of the material.

Category:Optimus Prime issues

2021-12-06T23:08:48Z

Bluestreak7:

{{chapters|title=''Optimus Prime'' issues|prev=The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|content=
*[[New Cybertron Part 1: To Walk Among the Chosen|#1]]
*[[New Cybertron Part 2: A Lonely Pillar on the Plain|#2]]
*[[New Cybertron Part 3: Behind My Bleeding Back|#3]]
*[[New Cybertron Part 4: Dance Among the Shadows|#4]]
*[[New Cybertron Part 5: Future Glories Lost|#5]]
*[[New Cybertron End: Feel Safe Without Regrets|#6]]
*[[The Next Day, and the Next|#7]]
*[[What It's Really Like|#8]]
*[[Ghost Stories|Annual 2017]]
*[[The Life of Sideswipe|#9]]
*[[Origin Myths|#10]]
*[[Unification Day: Dawn|First Strike]]
*[[Primeless, Part 1|#11]]
*[[Primeless, Part 2|#12]]
*[[The Dead Come Home, Part 1 (of 2)|#13]]
*[[The Dead Come Home, Part 2 (of 2)|#14]]
*[[Starscream: The Movie (comic)|Annual 2018]]
*[[The Falling, Chapter 1: Surfeit of Primes|#15]]
*[[The Falling, Chapter 2: Another Mine|#16]]
*[[The Falling, Chapter 3: The Ground|#17]]
*[[The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|#18]]
*[[The Falling, Chapter 4: The Hallowing|#19]]
*[[The Falling, Chapter 5: Endless Forever|#20]]
*[[The Falling, Chapter 6: Unforgivable|#21]]
*[[Unstopped and Unstoppable|#22]]
*[[Time Will Rust|#23]]
*[[A Sunrise Dark|#24]]
*[[Post|#25]]}}

[[Category:IDW (2005) issues]]
[[Category:IDW Optimus Prime]]

Michael Teitelbaum

2021-06-29T18:45:13Z

Bluestreak7:

'''Michael Teitelbaum''' is a children's book author, known for his adaptations of children's properties from Disney, DC and Marvel Comics. In Transformers he has written multiple young readers books in the Reader's Digest and I Can Read series, as well as two "Stand up Movers," whatever the heck those are.

He once did a Hungry Caterpillar spoof with a ZOMBIE.

==Works Written==
{{collist|3|
===Stand Up Movers===
*[[Transformers Prime Optimus Prime Stand Up Mover]]
*[[Transformers Prime Bumblebee Stand Up Mover]]

===Guidebooks===
*[[Transformers: Armada Official Guidebook]]
*[[Transformers: Energon Official Guidebook]]

===Novelizations===
*[[Transformers Armada: The Battle Begins]]
*[[Transformers Armada: Race for the Mini-Con Robots]]
*[[Transformers Armada: Secret of the Star Saber]]
*[[Transformers Armada: The Autobots Strike Back]]

===3-D Model Books===
*[[Transformers Armada: Enter the Mini-Cons]]
*[[Transformers Armada: Decepticon Attack!]]

===Activity Books===
*[[Transformers Prime Time]]

===I Can Read! storybooks===
*[[Training Day (book)|Transformers: Hunt for the Decepticons: Training Day]]

|}}

==External links==
*[http://www.amazon.com/Michael%20Teitelbaum/e/B000APJAHO/ref=la_B000APJAHO_st?rh=n%3A283155%2Cp_82%3AB000APJAHO&qid=1452201659&sort=review-rank Mihcael Teitelbaum on Amazon]

{{DEFAULTSORT:Teitelbaum, Michael}}
[[Category:Writers]]

Robot Roll Call

2021-05-31T01:12:09Z

Bluestreak7: This is really all the info there js

{{comicstory
|prev=
|seriesissue=''[[I Can Read!]] Transformers Animated''
|next=The Decepticons Invade!
|image=Robot Roll Call cover.jpg
|caption=[[Reflector (Animated)|Cambot]]! [[Ravage (ROTF)|GPC]]! Tom [[Servo (LOTM)|Servo]]! [[Crow Convoy|Croooooooowwww]]!
|title="Robot Roll Call"
|publisher=[[HarperCollins Publishers]]
|imprint=HarperTrophy
|date=[[May 6]], [[2008]]
|story by=[[Jennifer Frantz]]
|continuity=[[Animated cartoon continuity]]
|pagecount=32
|price=$3.99
|ISBN=0060888083 978-0060888084
|printed in=[[United States of America]]
}}

==Synopsis==
This book introduces the reader to the main cast of Autobots and Decepticons, illustrated with stock character art.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (1)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (2)
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (3)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (4)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (5)
|c2=
*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (8)
*[[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] (9)
*[[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] (10)
*[[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]] (11)
*[[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]] (12)
|c3=
*[[Sari Sumdac (Animated)|Sari Sumdac]] (6)
*[[Isaac Sumdac (Animated)|Isaac Sumdac]] (7)
}}

==Notes==
*The book's title may be a reference to the theme of ''[[Mystery Science Theater 3000]]''.
===Reprints===
*[[2010]] — ''[[Adventures of Transformers Animated]]''

==External links==
*[http://www.icanread.com/search/BookDetail.cfm?ISBN13=9780060888084 Listing at icanread.com]
*[http://www.harpercollins.com/books/Transformers-Animated-Robot-Roll-Call-Jennifer-Frantz/?isbn=9780060888084 Listing at HarperCollins.com]

[[Category:Animated storybooks]]

Transformers: Battlegrounds

2021-03-08T21:35:24Z

Bluestreak7: /* Act II */ next level

{{disambig3|Battlegrounds}}
{{Nav-cyberverse}}

{{videogame
|title=''Transformers: Battlegrounds''
|image=Transformers Battlegrounds cover.jpg
|caption=Good luck, Commander. We will be watching.
|developer=[[Coatsink]]
|publisher=[[Outright Games]] [[Bandai Namco Entertainment]] (Europe)
|writer=
|additionalwriting=
|date=[[October 23]], [[2020]]
|platform=Nintendo Switch, [[PlayStation]] 4, Xbox One, PC
|ratings=ESRB: RP PEGI: 7+
}}

'''''Transformers: Battlegrounds''''' is a video game by [[Coatsink]], released [[October 23]], [[2020]]. It is the first new ''Transformers'' game released for a home console since [[Activision]]'s previous game development license expired. Described as a "tactical warfare adventure" game, ''Battlegrounds'' is based on the ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (franchise)|Cyberverse]]'' franchise, featuring the character designs and voice actors from the accompanying [[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|animated series]].

==Synopsis==

===Act I===

In [[Central City|Central City]] the Decepticons are attacking. [[Bumblebee (Cyberverse)|Bumblebee]] saves [[You|a random human]]. When asked to move the human to safety, [[Teletraan-X (Cyberverse)|Teletraan-X]] takes them into the sky to Bumblebee's complete confusion. Afterwards, he takes the fight to the Decepticon forces, relying on the human's guidance to navigate the suburban landscape. Along the way, he links up with [[Windblade (Cyberverse)|Windblade]], fights [[Shadow Striker (Cyberverse)|Shadow Striker]], and rescues [[Grimlock (Cyberverse)|Grimlock]] from a unit of [[Seeker (Cyberverse)|Seeker]]s led by [[Slipstream (Cyberverse)|Slipstream]]. After the trio reunite, they deal with [[Soundwave (Cyberverse)|Soundwave]] and [[Starscream (Cyberverse)|Starscream]] before heading off to locate [[Optimus Prime (Cyberverse)|Optimus Prime]].

===Act II===
In the desert, [[Arcee (Cyberverse)|Arcee]] and [[Wheeljack (Cyberverse)|Wheeljack]] are in hiding, hoping to delay the Decepticons when Teletraan-X arrives. After complaining about the drone's lack of clarity and bemusement at the new commander, they set out to find Optimus, regrouping with the other Autobots. They find an injured Windblade after battling a group of Deceptions, then team up with her to face [[Shockwave (Cyberverse)|Shockwave]] and a trio of his drones. With Shockwave defeated, Bumblebee and Grimlock arrive.

===Act III===

===Act IV===
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==Featured characters==
{{Featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (Cyberverse)|Optimus Prime]] ([[Jake Foushee]])
*[[Bumblebee (Cyberverse)|Bumblebee]] ([[Jeremy Levy]])
*[[Arcee (Cyberverse)|Arcee]] ([[Jaime Lamchick]])
*[[Grimlock (Cyberverse)|Grimlock]] ([[Ryan Andes]])
*[[Windblade (Cyberverse)|Windblade]] ([[Jessica DiGiovanni]])
*[[Wheeljack (Cyberverse)|Wheeljack]] ([[Billy Bob Thompson]])
|c2=
*[[Megatron (Cyberverse)|Megatron]] ([[Marc Thompson]])
*[[Soundwave (Cyberverse)|Soundwave]] ([[Marc Swint]])
*[[Shockwave (Cyberverse)|Shockwave]] (Ryan Andes)
*[[Shadow Striker (Cyberverse)|Shadow Striker]] ([[Deanna McGovern]])
*[[Hyperdrive (Cyberverse)|Hyperdrive]] ([[Kellen Goff]])
*[[Offroad (Cyberverse)|Offroad]] (Marc Swint)
*[[Dead End (Cyberverse)|Dead End]]
*[[Battletrap (Cyberverse)|Battletrap]]
*[[Blackjack (Cyberverse)|Blackjack]]
*[[Roadtrap (Cyberverse)|Roadtrap]]
;[[Seeker (Cyberverse)|Seeker]]s
*[[Starscream (Cyberverse)|Starscream]] (Billy Bob Thompson)
*[[Slipstream (Cyberverse)|Slipstream]] ([[Erin Yvette]])
*[[Acid Storm (Cyberverse)|Acid Storm]] (Jaime Lamchick)
*[[Thundercracker (Cyberverse)|Thundercracker]]
*[[Nova Storm (Cyberverse)|Nova Storm]]
*[[Thrust (Cyberverse)|Thrust]]
*[[Ramjet (Cyberverse)|Ramjet]]
*[[Dirge (Cyberverse)|Dirge]]
|c4=
*[[Teletraan-X (Cyberverse)|Teletraan-X]] ([[Tony Daniels]])
*[[You]]
}}

==Quotes==
"After countless cycles, it's mine." 
"Enough." 
"What? The Allspark - it SPEAKS!" 
"No, Megatron. I am Optimus Prime."
:— '''Megatron's''' supposed talk with the Allspark prior to '''Optimus Prime''' revealing himself.

==Gameplay==
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===Downloadable content===
Several pieces of downloadable content were released for ''Battlegrounds'':
* A "Nemesis Prime and Goldfire Bumblebee" pack was available only as a pre-order bonus for the game. This pack adds skins based on Nemesis Prime and Goldfire for Optimus and Bumblebee respectively.
* Four different packs containing new skins for each of the six Autobots were released at launch, available individually or as part of the Deluxe Edition. These include the "Energon Autobot Skin Pack", the "Gold Autobot Skin Pack", the "Battle Autobot Skin Pack", and the "Neon Autobot Skin Pack".
* A "Cube Arcade Mode Add-on" was released at launch and can only be obtained as part of the Deluxe Edition. This adds a [[Cube (sport)|Cube]] game type to the Arcade mode, allowing up to two players to compete against one another in the sport.
* A full expansion, "Shattered Spacebridge", was released on [[February 26]], [[2021]]. The expansion adds a new mini campaign in which the Autobots are trapped in a [[spacebridge]] hub, forcing them to travel the multiverse and win randomly-generated encounters to recover the pieces of their own spacebridge and return home.

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
* ''Battlegrounds'' is set in an alternate version of the [[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|''Cyberverse'' cartoon continuity]]; although it picks up where "[[Eruption]]" left off, it is otherwise largely irreconcilable with the events of that show's second season. A conversation between [[Arcee (Cyberverse)|Arcee]] and [[Wheeljack (Cyberverse)|Wheeljack]] suggests that this game takes place in one of the many alternate universes that the ''Cyberverse'' cartoon repeatedly alluded to over the course of its second and third seasons.

===Transformers references===
*Windblade namedrops [[Ratchet (Cyberverse)|Ratchet]] during her first transmission to Bumblebee.
* The Decepticon Scout model is based off the [[Dead End (G1)#Toys|original Generation 1 Dead End toy]] whereas the Decepticon Bruiser model is based off the [[Offroad (Generations)#Toys|''Combinder Wars'' Offroad toy]]. We are reaching the return of ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' redeco frenzies, folks.

* [[Ramjet (Cyberverse)|Ramjet]] and [[Dirge (Cyberverse)|Dirge]] are depicted as redecos of the male Seeker design, rather than their distinct [[conehead]] designs used in the show itself.
* [[Dead End (Cyberverse)|Dead End]] is one of three individuals whose design is a recolor of the Decepticon Scouts, rather than his ''Combiner Wars''-inspired design from the cartoon.
** The other two Scout recolors are new versions of Generation 1 [[Micromaster]]s [[Blackjack (G1)|Blackjack]] and [[Hyperdrive (Micromaster)|Hyperdrive]].
* Of the three indiviuals whose design is a recolor of the Decepticon Brusiers, [[Offroad (Cyberverse)|Offroad]] retains his G1 namesake's color scheme.
** The other two Bruiser are new versions of [[Roadtrap (Generations)|Roadtrap]] from ''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' and classic G1 character [[Battletrap (G1)|Battletrap]].

=== Other notes ===
* None of the Autobots understand why Teletraan-X kidnapped a human to be their commander. Somehow, the Decepticons never notice them despite the amount of Seekers fought during the game.
* All the named Seekers outside of [[Skywarp (Cyberverse)|Skywarp]] appear in the game, despite the ending taking place on Cybertron where she is stationed.
* How did no one notice a space bridge in the middle of central city?

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Video games]]

Prime's Directive, Part Three

2019-12-26T01:47:22Z

Bluestreak7: /* Errors */

{{disambig2|the IDW issue|the Dreamwave issue|Prime Directive issue 3}}

{{Comicstory
|seriesissue=''[[Star Trek vs. Transformers]]'' #3
|prev=Prime's Directive, Part Two
|next=Prime's Directive, Part Four
|image=STvsTF3-cvrB.jpg
|title="Prime's Directive, Part Three"
|caption=
|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[December 5]], [[2018]]
|coverdate=November 2018
|written by=[[John Barber]] and [[Mike Johnson]]
|art by=[[Jack Lawrence]]
|colors by=[[Josh Burcham]]
|letters by=[[Christa Miesner]]
|editor=[[Chase Marotz]] and [[David Mariotte]]
|continuity=''[[Star Trek vs. Transformers]]''
}}

'''Titans clash as Kirk makes an unusual new friend, and the battle for Cygnus Seven takes a surprising new direction.'''

==Synopsis==
With the other Autobots trapped underground and [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] badly wounded, [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] join their fellow [[Decepticon]]s as they lay waste to [[Cygnus Seven]], gleefully watching as the inhabitants of the local mining colony flee in terror. Though [[Scotty]] and [[Spock]] return fire with their [[Phaser (weapon)|phasers]], their weapons aren't able to penetrate the Decepticons' armor. Despite his wounds, Optimus insists on protecting the organics; over [[Doctor McCoy]]'s protests, Prime uses his body to shield one group of miners from [[Airachnid (G1)|Airachnid]]'s blasts, and although they do their best to evacuate the [[Federation]] miners targeted by the Decepticons, it's clear that their desperate rearguard action can't hold out forever.

Deep beneath the local [[dilithium]] mine, inside [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]'s body, [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] finishes his adjustments to the [[Titan (group)|Titan]]'s inner workings, so that [[James Kirk|Captain Kirk]] can interface with the gigantic Autobot. [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] has misgivings of her own about the plan, unsure if the human can handle the mental strain of merging with Fortress Maximus's consciousness, but [[Sulu]] reassures her—if ''anyone'' can handle it, it's Kirk. Ratchet obliges and activates the device.

Merged with the Titan's mind, Kirk struggles to handle the overwhelming mental merge, glimpsing fragmented memories of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] and the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]] in between flashes of his ''own'' youth. Ratchet and the other Autobots watch as Kirk's memories focus on an object closer to the present day: the starship ''[[USS Enterprise|Enterprise]],'' a ship that Kirk knows back-to-front. As a disoriented Kirk returns to reality, [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] commends the captain's bravery, while Ratchet explains the next step of his plan: using the ''Enterprise'' schematics obtained from Kirk's brain, he can get to work on bringing Fortress Maximus back online and into fighting shape.

[[File:STvsTF3-FortressTiberious.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|But he doesn't have a shirt to rip!]]

On the surface of the planet, Starscream gloats as he takes stock of his victory. As McCoy and the other members of the ''Enterprise'' weigh up their options, the blusterous [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]] demands that Prime face him or be destroyed. The Autobot leader, unwilling to see any more organic lives caught in the crossfire of the war, offers to sacrifice himself so that the organics can make their escape. Though McCoy protests this course of action, Spock has ''already'' weighed up their options and chosen the most logical course of action; as the others watch, he calmly walks in front of Starscream to announce their surrender, much to the amusement of [[Klingon]] commander [[Kuri]] as he beams in, ever-eager to assert the dominance of the [[Klingon Empire]] over the Federation. Spock tells the villains that they'll surrender so long as the Federation miners can safely leave, a statement echoed by Prime as he struggles to his feet to stand alongside the half-[[Vulcan]]. Starscream is unmoved; after all, what does he stand to gain by ''not'' killing Prime on the spot? Before anyone can come up with an answer, however, the ground shakes and a mighty starship bursts through the ground: Fortress Maximus, transformed into a copy of the ''Enterprise''! The other Autobots and their new allies burst through the hole created by their passage to join the battle, but they're not the ''only'' group with a surprise weapon, as Kuri's [[Warbird (Star Trek)|Warbird]] transforms to reveal itself as the monstrous [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]], contemptuously blasting the Autobots aside with his fiery breath!

Inside Fortress Maximus—his interior reshaped into a Cybertronian-sized copy of the ''Enterprise''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s bridge—Ratchet coaches Kirk as the captain uses a special headset to take control of the living ship, blasting Trypticon with a volley of phaser fire as the other Autobots swing into action. Sulu and Windblade dogfight with [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] and [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]], [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] and [[M'Ress]] trip up Soundwave, and [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] helps keep Airachnid off [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]]'s back. Frustrated by their setback, Kuri and Starscream trade barbs, but their bickering is cut short when Arcee knocks the Seeker commander to the ground and orders the miners to get to the ''Enterprise''.

As Scott and Spock wonder how the captain could be piloting the ship ''alone'', however, villainous reinforcements arrive in the shape of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and a group of Klingons, with the Decepticon leader taking the opportunity to shoot Optimus in the back! The Klingons promptly point their weapons at the Federation miners, only for Kirk to swoop in and beam them and Arcee to safety. As he does so, Ratchet encourages Kirk to pull off the ship's final trick. Kirk strains to concentrate, and as he does so Fortress Maximus begins to [[Transformation|transform]] around him. As Trypticon watches in astonishment, their two minds merge as the Titan assumes his new robot mode, declaring himself the mighty Fortress Tiberius!

{{-}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] (5)
* [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (10)
* [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (11)
* [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] (13)
* [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] (14)
* [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] (16)
* [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus/Fortress Tiberius]] (19)

|c2=
* [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (1)
* [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (2)
* [[Airachnid (G1)|Airachnid]] (3)
* [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (4)
* [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (17)
* [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] (20)
* [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] (21)
* [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] (22)

|h3=[[Federation]]|c3=
* [[Doctor McCoy]] (6)
* [[Scotty]] (7)
* [[Spock]] (8)
* [[James Kirk]] (9)
* [[M'Ress]] (12)
* [[Sulu]] (15)

|h4=[[Klingon]]s|c4=
* [[Kuri]] (18)
}}

==Quotes==
"Away with ye, ye wicked contraption!"
:—'''Scotty''' takes on '''Airachnid'''

"It appears to resemble an overly-large '''metal''' version of the extinct Earth creature ''Tyrannosaurus rex''. Though, I admit this seems a '''highly illogical''' form for a Cybertronian to take."
:—'''Spock''' has yet to meet Grimlock...

"The '''captain—'''operating a ''Constitution''-class starship '''alone? Impossible.''' At a minimum, '''twenty-three''' crew members would be required to—" "'''Ach!''' With the right modifications I could do it with '''five,''' maybe '''four''' in a pinch."
:—'''Spock''' and '''Scotty'''

"You don't see '''that''' every day." 
"Well, maybe '''you''' don't..."
:—'''M'Ress''' and '''Bumblebee''' regard Fortress Tiberius

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
* Optimus Prime describes Trypticon as the "very thing that ended our mission to find [[energon]]," referencing the backstory from [[Prime's Directive, Part Two|the previous issue]]. Similarly, Starscream notes that the humans "would not hesitate to put an end to [him]," a presumable allusion to the events of [[World War III]] and the [[Eugenics Wars]].

===Transformers references===
* The concept behind "Fortress Tiberius" seems loosely inspired by the [[binary bonding]] technology alluded to in various ancillary media, which depicted [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] and their ilk as existing in a quasi-symbiotic relationship, a process by which memories and emotions could unconsciously "bleed" from one partner into the other. This concept was first explored in [[The Man in the Machine!|issue #51]] of the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel comic]], and taken to its logical extreme in the ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' story "[[Head Games]]." All this said, [[Cerebros (G1)|Cerebros]] is nowhere to be found in this comic, and Fort Max's head doesn't look like it's formed from Kirk...
* While merged with Fortress Maximus, Kirk catches a glimpse of an unidentified Cybertronian city, based off [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]'s appearance in the original [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' cartoon]] during the planet's [[Golden Age]].
* Arcee's battle against Airachnid might be a reference to their long-running rivalry in the ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'' cartoon.

===Star Trek references===
* Kirk's memories include his childhood, growing up on a farm in [[memoryalpha:Riverside|Riverside]], [[Iowa]], and another scene of him as a young man attending [[memoryalpha:Starfleet Academy|Starfleet Academy]] in [[San Francisco]].
* Kuri derogatorily refers to his Federation captives as "[[memoryalpha:Targ|targs]]", a Klingon animal somewhat like a wild boar that is often kept as a pet.
* Scotty's claim that ''Constitution''-class vessels could be crewed by about five people given the right modifications is exactly what would happen in ''[[memoryalpha:Star Trek III: The Search for Spock|Star Trek III: The Search for Spock]]''.
* McCoy drops his catchphrase once again, claiming "I'm a doctor, not a magnet!"
* Fortress Maximus's new moniker is based off Kirk's own middle name, "Tiberius." But see "Errors," below...

===Errors===
* In the final panel of the comic, "Fortress Tiberius" is misspelled with an extra "o." This was corrected for the trade paperback.

===Other notes===
* Years ago, the [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (novel)|''Dark of the Moon'' novelization]] had [[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]] joke about a theoretical ''Star Trek'' episode where the ''Enterprise'' was revealed as a Transformer. As if ''that'' could ever happen...
* Originally solicited for November, this issue arrives late, landing in the first full week of December.
* Backmatter includes an exclusive interview with ''Star Trek'' authors Jackson Lanzing and Collin Kelley.

===Covers (3)===
* '''Cover A:''' The crew of the ''Enterprise'' encounter Soundwave and the [[Decepticon Mini-Cassette]]s, by [[Philip Murphy]]
* '''Cover B:''' Kirk, Spock, and [[Uhura]] flee Megatron, by [[Gavin Fullerton]]
* '''Retailer incentive cover:''' Women of the Federation and Cybertron: Windblade, Arcee, Uhura, M'Ress, and Nurse Chapel; by [[Megan Levens]] and [[Charlie Kirchoff]]
<gallery>
File:STvsTF3-cvrA.jpg|Buzzsaw eject. Target: Kirk's wig.
File:STvsTF3-cvrB.jpg|Kirk, your acting is bad comedy!
File:STvsTF3-cvrRI.jpg|It's Ladies Night!
</gallery>

===Advertisements===
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* ''Star Trek: Waypoint'' comic
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* ''Atomic Robo'' comic
* IDW/[[Marvel Comics|Marvel]] ''[[Avengers]]'' comic series
* ''{{gb|Go-Bots}}'' comic series (back cover)

==External links==
*[https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2018/12/preview-of-star-trek-vs-transformers-3/ Preview]
*[[memoryalpha:Star Trek vs. Transformers, Issue 3|Issue article]] at Memory Alpha
*[[wikia:memory-beta:Star Trek vs. Transformers, Issue 3|Issue article]] at Memory Beta, the non-canon ''Star Trek'' wiki

[[Category:Star Trek vs. Transformers issues]]

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Prime's Directive, Part One

2019-12-26T01:09:26Z

Bluestreak7: /* Errors */

{{disambig2|the IDW issue|the Dreamwave issue|Prime Directive issue 1}}

{{Comicstory
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|title="Prime's Directive, Part One"
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|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[September 26]], [[2018]]
|coverdate=September 2018
|written by=[[John Barber]] and [[Mike Johnson]]
|art by=[[Philip Murphy]]
|colors by=[[Priscilla Tramontano]]
|letters by=[[Christa Miesner]]
|editor=[[Chase Marotz]] and [[David Mariotte]]
|continuity=''[[Star Trek vs. Transformers]]''
}}

'''A distress call diverts the voyage of the ''Enterprise'' to a Federation colony under attack by 20th century Earth vehicles—but this threat is much more than meets the eye.'''

==Synopsis==
In the 23rd century, the starship ''[[USS Enterprise|Enterprise]]'' is called off-course from its five-year mission to investigate a distress signal emanating from the remote [[dilithium]]-mining colony of [[Cygnus Seven]], located on the fringes of [[Klingon]] space. As they arrive over the planet, Lieutenant [[Spock]] reports that the ship's sensors have been scrambled by an unknown foe, leaving the crew with no other alternative than beaming down to investigate. Captain [[James Kirk|Kirk]] assembles an away team to do just that, but when they beam down to Cygnus Seven, they discover that the peaceful [[Federation]] mining colony is under attack... and, stranger still, under attack from antique 20th-century jets and helicopters!

When [[Starscream (G1)|one of these jets]] doubles back to strafe Kirk's crew, Kirk catches a glimpse of its cockpit, and both he and Spock realize that something's not right: these supposedly outdated vehicles are somehow driving themselves. Another blast from the jet blows open a hole in a nearby mountain, and despite Lieutenant [[M'Ress]]'s assurances that they'll be able to use the passageway to rescue the trapped miners, things take an even stranger turn when a [[Optimus Prime (G1)|red-and-blue truck]] comes hurtling out of the mountain, using its trailer to shield the Federation officers from the next barrage. Kirk suspects a Klingon trick, however, and uses his [[Phaser (weapon)|phaser]] to blast his impromptu rescuer in the cab; in doing so, however, the truck ''screams'' in pain, and transforms into a gigantic robot! Revealed as [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], he manages to convince the crew of the ''Enterprise'' of his good intentions before his injuries force him offline, begging the captain to protect the humans that he's inadvertently dragged into their war.

Kirk shouts for their attackers to identify themselves, and they oblige by transforming into [[Decepticon]]s! [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] orders [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] to take out the humans with a sonic blast, but doesn't realize that this same attack is able to dissipate the interference jamming the ''Enterprise's'' communications, giving Kirk the opening he needs to contact [[Arex (Star Trek)|Arex]] and order a [[photon torpedo]] strike on their location. The blast catches the Decepticons off-guard, wounding Soundwave, and a subsequent round of phaser fire convinces the Decepticons to retreat to a nearby moon, where Soundwave detects a Decepticon signal...

With the threat temporarily banished, Spock takes electrical readings to confirm that Optimus is still alive. Kirk contacts [[Scotty]] and [[Doctor McCoy]] to see what can be done, and the pair join the rest of the crew to investigate the wounded robot up close; though Kirk is unable to explain to the skeptical doctor that their patient seemed to be ''more'' than just a simple automaton, the conversation is cut short when Spock detects more electrical signals deeper into the mine. Leaving the two specialists with their new patient, Kirk takes M'Ress and [[Sulu]] to investigate.

Having beaten their retreat, the Decepticons regroup on the moon, where they discover—much to [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'s surprise—[[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] in his city mode, now occupied by a group of Klingons. Their leader, [[Kuri]], explains to Megatron that the humans had no right to be mining in this sector of space, but when Megatron mentions the ''Enterprise'', Kuri realizes he has a chance for revenge against his nemesis Kirk, and the two agree to join forces.

Back on Cygnus Seven, Scotty is impressed by Prime's incredibly advanced circuitry. His enthusiasm for the wounded alien wins over the crusty doctor, who points out that, despite his advanced technology, they still don't know how to wake him up. Kirk and his team, meanwhile, have continued to investigate the deepest reaches of the dilithium mine; led onward by Sulu's readings, the group stumble across a massive metal wall emblazoned with an [[Autobot|unknown insignia]]. Kirk formulates a plan to cut through the metal with their phasers... but before he can do so, the wall is blown apart by an explosion. The crew finds themselves face-to-face with more Autobots, and [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] demands to know what they've done with Optimus Prime!

==Featured characters==
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*[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] (15)
*[[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] (23)
*[[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] (24)
*[[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (25)
*[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] (26)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (27)

|c2=
*[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (7)
*[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (8)
*[[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] (9)
*[[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] (10)
*[[Airachnid (G1)|Airachnid]] (11)
*[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (12)
*[[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] (13)
*[[Acid Storm (G1)|Acid Storm]] (14)
*[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (16)
*[[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (17)
*[[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] (20)

|h3=[[Federation]]|c3=
*[[Uhura]] (1)
*[[James Kirk]] (2)
*[[Spock]] (3)
*[[Arex (Star Trek)|Arex]] (4)
*[[Sulu]] (5)
*[[M'Ress]] (6)
*[[Scotty]] (18)
*[[Doctor McCoy]] (19)

|h4=[[Klingon]]s|c4=
*[[Kor]] (21)
*[[Kali]] (22)
*[[Kaz]] (23)
*[[Kuri]] (24)
}}

==Quotes==
"Spare this one. He's cute. I'll keep him as a '''pet'''." 
"Flattered, but you're not my type."
:— '''Airachnid''' and '''Kirk'''

"Retreat is undignified." 
"Really, Starscream? But you're so '''good''' at it!"
:— '''Starscream''' and '''Airachnid'''

"This isn't any simple machine, Bones. It '''spoke''' to me." 
"So what? Lots of computers talk. In fact, sometimes I wish they'd shut up."
:— '''Kirk''' and '''Dr. McCoy'''

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
*''Star Trek vs. Transformers'' is set in the universe of ''Star Trek''; specifically, during the time period of ''{{w|Star Trek: The Animated Series}}'', from which it draws its cast and aesthetic. While it wouldn't be considered {{w|Star Trek canon|canon}}, the series doesn't conflict too much with ''Star Trek'' plot elements; that brand has never made much use of [[micro-continuity|micro-continuities]].
*The ''Transformers'' elements of the issue, meanwhile, draw the vast majority of their influence from [[The Transformers (cartoon)|the original cartoon]], though backstory elements established in later issues render it canonically incompatible with the cartoon itself.
*The captain's log at the start of the issue gives the {{w|stardate}} as 5892.7. Though stardates in the ''Star Trek'' universe are notoriously inconsistent both within and between individual series, this date is greater than most of those in season 1 of ''Star Trek: The Animated Series'' and lower than the majority of those in season 2; thus, assuming a ''general'' upwards progression, this would presumably place ''Star Trek vs. Transformers'' between the two seasons of the animated show.<ref>[http://startreklist.blogspot.com/2011/04/list-of-all-star-trek-episodes-sorted.html "List of all Star Trek episodes sorted by star date" at The Star Trek List]</ref>

===Transformers references===
[[File:STvT Airachnid.jpg|thumb|200px|A particularly harsh case of Barclay's Protomorphosis Syndrome.]]
*While the majority of the ''Transformers'' character designs are pulled straight from the original cartoon's character models, they are supplemented by retro versions of later characters [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] and [[Airachnid (G1)|Airachnid]]. Both characters sport new and simplified designs in an effort to match the Sunbow aesthetic, but Airachnid gets a much more dramatic makeover, now sporting a V-shaped head crest with multiple extra eyes on it.
*Spock mentions that there may be "more to this situation than meets the eye," because, well, of course.
*[[Kremzeek (G1)|Kremzeek]] appears on Starscream's heads-up display.

===Star Trek references===
*The name of the story is a reference to ''Star Trek''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s famous {{w|Prime Directive}}. (What, you thought it was ''only'' referring to Optimus Prime?)
*As mentioned, the art style and Star Trek elements here are adapted from ''Star Trek: The Animated Series''; the non-human ''Enterprise'' crew M'Ress and Arex originated in that series, and the comic even adapts some of the series' goofier visual quirks; page 5 has an awkwardly close-up shot of Spock's face, while page 11 features the crew doing the cartoon's overly stiff stock run animation!
* The comic begins with the ''Enterprise'' passing by a cratered green planet, akin to the planet that appeared in the title card of every ''Animated Series'' episode.
*On seeing the Decepticons, Sulu whispers "oh my"—a memetic catchphrase that Sulu's actor [[George Takei]] has adopted in recent years.
* An [[Andorian]] appears among the inhabitants of Cygnus Seven.
* Sulu namedrops the [[Eugenics Wars]] when discussing the age of the Transformers' alternate modes; this is a key event in ''Star Trek'' lore, usually established as having occured during the 1990s.
* "I'm a doctor, not a mechanic," complains McCoy, dropping the character's most famous catchphrase.
* All of the Klingons in this issue are preexisting ''Star Trek'' characters who appeared in the ''Animated Series'' episode "[[memoryalpha:The Time Trap (episode)|The Time Trap]]". With the exception of Kor, none of them would go on to appear in any other ''Star Trek'' media until this issue.

===Errors===
* When Scotty says he's glad Kirk is still alive, Kirk responds with "That's makes two of us," with an extraneous apostrophe and s. This has been corrected in the trade paperback.
* Like all the other characters, Trypticon's city mode is based very precisely on his Generation 1 character model—except it's been mirror-flipped, so the unique tower and radar dish designs appear on the wrong sides.

===Other notes===
*A planet named Cygnus has appeared in both ''Star Trek'' and ''Transformers'' media (which might explain its role here as the main setting); on the ''Transformers'' side of things, [[Cygnus Seven]] appeared in the ''Transformers'' episode "[[The Big Broadcast of 2006 (episode)|The Big Broadcast of 2006]]", while numerous planets in the Cygnus system have cropped up over the years in both canon and non-canon ''Star Trek'' media.
*Backmatter for this issue includes a tribute to {{w|Harlan Ellison}} by IDW Publishing's Scott Tipton.

===Covers (4)===
*'''Cover A:''' The Autobots and the ''Enterprise'' crew, by [[Philip Murphy]]; combines with cover B to make a larger image
*'''Cover B:''' The Decepticons and the Klingons, by Philip Murphy; combines with cover A to make a larger image
*'''Retailer incentive cover A:''' M'Ress vs [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]], by [[Paulina Ganucheau]]
*'''Retailer incentive cover B:''' Our heroes doing an awkward and stiff stock run, by [[Derek Charm]]
<gallery>
File:STvsTF1 cvrA.jpg|Da Good Guyz
File:STvsTF1 cvrB.jpg|Da Bad Guyz
File:STvsTF1 cvrRIA.jpg|Da Kitty Kats
File:STvsTF1 cvrRIB.jpg|Race on the galaxy's smallest planet
</gallery>

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==References==
{{Reflist}}

==External links==
*[https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2018/09/preview-of-star-trek-vs-transformers-1/ Preview]
*[[memoryalpha:Star Trek vs. Transformers, Issue 1|Issue article]] at Memory Alpha
*[[wikia:memory-beta:Prime's Directive, Part One|Issue article]] at Memory Beta, the non-canon ''Star Trek'' wiki

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How To Say Goodbye And Mean It: Part 2

2019-11-25T19:20:10Z

Bluestreak7: /* Errors */ I wouldn't say that. He's just partially faded in the background. Looks more pink and yellow

{{Comicstory
|seriesissue=''[[The Transformers: Lost Light|The Transformers: Lost Light]]'' #25
|prev=Crucible (Part 6): A Spark Among Embers
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|title="How To Say Goodbye And Mean It: Part 2"
|caption=[[Liars, A to D Part 1: How to Say Goodbye and Mean It|They made something of it.]]
|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[November 7]], 2018
|coverdate=October 2018
|written by=[[James Roberts]]
|art by=[[Jack Lawrence]]
|colors by=[[Joana Lafuente]]
|letters by=[[Tom B. Long]]
|editor=[[David Mariotte]]
|continuity=[[2005 IDW continuity|IDW continuity]]
|chronology=[[IDW timeline|Current era]]
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'''After a final "lap of honor" it's time for the ''Lost Light'' crew to say goodbye and move on with their lives... until tragedy reunites them one last time.'''

==Synopsis==
{{note|This story is told in non-linear form. This synopsis reorders it for ease of reading.}}

Some time after the defeat of the [[Functionist Council]], [[Prowl (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Prowl]] arrives on "Functionist Cybertron" to survey the situation. His visit is to be a short one; the planet is largely to be left to its own devices while the universe's native Cybertronian population begins their new lives on [[Earth]] following the apocalyptic attack of [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]], but the billion new [[spark]]s that have ignited from [[Moonbase One|Luna 1]]'s [[hot spot]] must be dealt with, and most importantly, with the [[Knights of Cybertron]] having been proven not to exist, [[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]] must stand trial once again, this time with the [[Galactic Council]] presiding. [[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rodimus]] objects, but Megatron himself agrees. Prowl also announces his intention to remove the ''[[Lost Light]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s [[quantum generator]]s and use them to double Functionist Cybertron's [[energon]] reserves, for use in bringing the sparks to term; again, Rodimus initially refuses, before finally giving in, on the condition that Prowl allows him and the crew to take one final "victory lap" trip aboard the ship before it is decommissioned.

The crew are granted one day for their trip, and it passes without incident. [[Rewind (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rewind]] makes a complete recording of every corridor and room on the ship for posterity; in the process, he and [[Chromedome (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Chromedome]] come upon [[Rung (G1)|Rung]]'s old quarters, but tragically, they and the rest of the crew have already lost all their memories of the terminally-forgettable psychiatrist. The pair rejoin the rest of the crew on the bridge as the ''Lost Light'' turns to head back to Functionist Cybertron, and conversation turns to the inevitability to endings, and how to make the most of them; Rodimus remarks that he would ''rather'' see the ''Lost Light'' decommissioned than allowed to become a monument or "just another spaceship," so that its meaning can never be diminished. [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] announces one last party in [[Swerve's|his bar]], but just before everyone heads off, [[Nautica (G1)|Nautica]], [[Brainstorm (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Brainstorm]], and [[Perceptor (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Perceptor]] take Rodimus aside to propose one final, risky, complicated, ludicrous stunt for the ''Lost Light'' to pull: when they quantum jump back to Functionist Cybertron, there is the infinitesimally slim chance they can intentionally recreate the accident from the ship's original launch that caused the creation of a quantum duplicate of it and the crew, ''and'' shunt the duplicate into a parallel universe so that there will be no risk of its existence being cancelled out like the last one, thereby allowing the crew to continue adventuring on their own terms in a new world. Rodimus puts the idea to a vote, and the crew agrees.

Of course, there's no way for the crew to know if the idea succeeds, since from their point of view, all that happens is that they successfully quantum jump back to Cybertron, and settle in for one last night of drinks, singing, and stories at Swerve's. [[Anode]] and [[Lug (IDW)|Lug]] decide to give up adventuring and settle down on Luna 1; [[Fortress Maximus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Fortress Maximus]] makes peace with the [[Scavenger (group)|Scavengers]]; and [[Drift (G1)|Drift]] and [[Ratchet (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ratchet]]—now finally romantically involved—explain to the crew their theory that the "visions" that have been guiding Drift since the start of their quest were actually messages sent back through time via the [[Warren]] by the telepaths from [[Mederi]]. [[Thunder Clash|Thunderclash]] hauls Rodimus's desk into the bar, and everyone pores over the map etched into its surface, reminiscing about the places they have been and the things they have seen and done on their quest. Inspired by the revelation that Megatron pseudonymously wrote his favorite poem, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ultra Magnus]] delivers a toast to the ship and its crew, and to the unexpected joy that he found when the crew turned from colleagues into true friends. Swerve tries to declare a lock-in, but, to punctuate the finality of the moment, construction cranes abruptly begin tearing into the ship as it sits on the spaceport runway, beginning its disassembly.

Thus does the parting of the ways begin. [[Grimlock (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Grimlock]] and the Scavengers head back to [[Troja Major]], where [[Crankcase (G1)|Crankcase]]—having taken [[Cyclonus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Cyclonus]]'s advice on love—plans to reunite with [[CONS4EVA]]. Chromedome and Rewind head off on a trip to [[Milnex]]; Nautica and [[Velocity (G1)|Velocity]] are taken to visit Earth by [[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]]; Cyclonus places a tender kiss on Rodimus's cheek to thank him for everything. Prowl takes Megatron into custody, and Magnus goes with them, leaving Rodimus alone. After a moment, he hollers "[['Til all are one|Till All Are One]]" after Magnus, but his words go unheard.

Some time later, Megatron's trial is held. Magnus acts for his defense; Rodimus testifies and lies on the stand, claiming that ''Megatron'' was the one who was able to open the final [[Matrix of Leadership]] when he could not. While a jury is deliberating over "execution" or "infinite imprisonment," Rodimus visits Megatron in his cell for one last conversation, during which Megatron reveals that he still has the [[Rodimus Star]] Rodimus gave him, having held onto it for nearly a millennia, through all his centuries in the [[Functionist Universe]]. Presently, Megatron and Magnus are called in for sentencing; Megatron bids Rodimus farewell, and Magnus tells Megatron that he will take his advice and destroy the [[Magnus Armor]], living the rest of his life as his own 'bot.

Years pass.

Life goes on.

[[File:LL25 - Lunarian 113.jpg|thumb|right|200px| ''In their eyes, I see you, Alexander, I see you every time...'']]
Many of the crew settle on Functionist Cybertron. Swerve successfully turns his bar into a franchise, but it eventually fails and he has to close all but one location. Nautica writes a memoir of the crew's quest. Rewind becomes obsessed with learning everything there is to know about the history of the Functionist Universe, but winds up overloading and corrupting his brain, contracting the neuro-degenerative disease [[Delta's Malady]]; he becomes trapped in data stick form when he forgets how to transform, but continues to live and love with Chromedome. Brainstorm injures himself in a lab accident, requiring him to use his [[time case|infamous briefcase]] as a mobile life support system. Magnus no more, Minimus Ambus helps with the resettlement of all the new "[[Lunarian]]" 'bots born from the sparks from Luna-1, totally unaware that they all resemble Rung. Bereft of direction, [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] returns to his old troublemaking ways, and soon finds himself in and out of prison. Still eager for adventure, Rodimus signs onto the crew of Thunderclash's new ship, the ''[[Exitus]]''. And Ratchet and Drift become [[Conjunx Endura]]... until the day that Ratchet's advanced age finally catches up to him, and it is discovered that he is going to die of "age-related burnout."

Ratchet's peaceful passing brings the crew of the ''Lost Light'' together again for his funeral in [[Rivets Field]]; Drift arranges for Whirl to be granted day release from prison to attend. Cyclonus and [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] have been off-planet for an extended period of time and have been out of touch with their old friends, so after the ceremony, Swerve, [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]], and Brainstorm bring them up to speed on what has been happening with everyone. Dismayed to discover what has become of Whirl, Cyclonus and Tailgate invite him to come and live with them when he is next released, and he happily accepts. Whirl is so moved by their act of compassion that he begins to find worth in himself again, and turns down a gift from Drift—Ratchet's hands, to replace his own, lost so long ago—on the basis that he is not broken and does not need to be fixed.

Rodimus arrives late, after the ceremony has already concluded, and places Megatron's Rodimus Star—entrusted to him when the ex-Decepticon was taken away to his unrevealed fate—among the other offerings by Ratchet's grave. Drift can tell that the haggard Rodimus has been drinking, and expresses concern for him, knowing that life as part of Thunderclash's crew can't possibly compare to the way things used to be. One by the one, the mourners take their leave, until only Drift and Rodimus are left, whereupon Drift raises the subject they swore they'd never speak of: does Rodimus think the attempt to recreate the accident worked? Rodimus doesn't believe they will ever know one way or the other... and he tells himself that that is good, because that way, they can always pretend it did. The pair promise to keep in touch, and Rodimus departs.

''Many years earlier, the ''Lost Light'' quantum jumps back to Functionist Cybertron... but instead, the ship and crew find themselves in uncharted space, further than they have ever traveled before, with no idea of where they are. Realizing that they have succeeded in blasting themselves into another universe, the crew celebrate, with Perceptor crediting their accomplishment to knowledge gained from Brainstorm's earlier time travel experiments. Brainstorm is thrilled to finally have Perceptor's recognition, and Perceptor admits that the pair are "simpatico" after all. With co-captains Rodimus and Megatron at the helm, the ''Lost Light'' sets course for adventure in a new universe.''

''[[Furmanism|It never ends]]!''
[[File:LL25 It Never Ends.jpg|thumb|400px|center|''*curtains close*'']]

==Featured characters==
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*[[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] (1)
*[[Brainstorm (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Brainstorm]] (2)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ultra Magnus/Minimus Ambus]] (3)
*[[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] (4)
*[[Chromedome (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Chromedome]] (5)
*[[Rewind (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rewind]] (6)
*[[Velocity (G1)|Velocity]] (7)
*[[Nautica (G1)|Nautica]] (8)
*[[Riptide (G1)|Riptide]] (9)
*[[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] (11)
*[[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] (12)
*[[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] (13)
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*[[Hound (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Hound]] (14)
*[[Prowl (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Prowl]] (15)
*[[Perceptor (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Perceptor]] (16)
*[[Drift (G1)|Drift]] (17)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rodimus]] (18)
*[[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]] (19)
*[[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] (20)
*[[Gears (G1)|Gears]] (21)
*[[Grapple (G1)|Grapple]] (22)
*[[Ratchet (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ratchet]] (23)
*[[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] (25)
*[[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] (28)
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*[[Xaaron]] (29)
*[[Bluestreak (G1)|Bluestreak]] (30)
*[[Crosscut (Autobot)|Crosscut]] (33)
*[[Fortress Maximus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Fortress Maximus]] (36)
*[[Grimlock (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Grimlock]] (38)
*[[Thunder Clash|Thunderclash]] (40)
*[[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]] (41)
*[[Blades (G1)|Blades]] (42)
*[[Streetwise (G1)|Streetwise]] (43)
*[[Groove (G1)|Groove]] (44)
{{!}}}
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*[[Crankcase (G1)|Crankcase]] (24)
*[[Misfire (G1)|Misfire]] (27)
*[[Nickel]] (34)
*[[Fulcrum]] (35)
*[[Krok (G1)|Krok]] (37)
*[[Spinister (G1)|Spinister]] (39)

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*[[Cyclonus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Cyclonus]] (10)
*[[Roller (IDW)|Roller]] (26)
*[[Anode]] (31)
*[[Lug (IDW)|Lug]] (32)
*[[Clicker]] (45)
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==Quotes==
"A week, a month, a year... what's the difference? There'll always be '''an ending'''—and if you're lucky, you get to see it coming."
:—'''Ratchet'''

"I'm grateful for one more day. Especially a day like this." 
"Er—literally nothing happened. We flew past some planets and '''talked.'''" 
"Yes. And I wouldn't have changed a thing."
:—'''Megatron''' and '''Whirl'''

"Treat him well, Doc. He's a keeper."
:—'''Rodimus''' congratulates Ratchet on his new relationship

"'''That's''' how we should measure our lives. Not in distance traveled, or time passed, or worlds conquered, but in '''moments'''... and the rush of joy—of grace—that exists within them."
:—'''Megatron'''

"Rodimus. Whatever happens next—whatever my fate—I deserve worse."
:—'''Megatron'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s final words

"Megatron... before we go... I've been thinking a lot about what you said—about how I should let the world look me in the eyes—and yes, I'll do it. I'll destroy my armor." 
"Good. Because you're so much bigger without it."
:—'''Ultra Magnus''' and '''Megatron'''

"Turns out being at a '''loose end''' is bad for me—and even worse for '''society.'''"
:—'''Whirl'''

"WITHOUT LOVE THERE IS NO MEANING."
:—The inscription on Ratchet's grave marker

'''Rodimus:''' "Crankcase? Set a course for '''high jinks and mild peril!'''" 
'''Swerve:''' "I've just heard the best order that's ever been given." 
'''Ultra Magnus:''' "How long will it take us?" 
'''Rodimus:''' "What, to explore the '''entire universe?'''" 
'''Ultra Magnus:''' "I will accept an estimate." 
'''Rodimus:''' "Well, if I had to guess... taking account of all known variables and allowing for every possible outcome... if I had to guess, I'd say it'll take us more or less... '''forever.''' What do you think, co-captain?" 
'''Megatron:''' "What do I think?" 
'''Rodimus:''' "Yeah." 
'''Megatron:''' "I think forever sounds about right."

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
*The title of this issue is taken from the [[Liars, A to D Part 1: How to Say Goodbye and Mean It|first issue of ''More than Meets the Eye'']], where the ''Lost Light''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s adventure began just shy of seven years ago.
*The concept of "age-related burnout"—the Transformer equivalent of dying of natural causes—is a very new concept for both the Cybertronian race, and Transformers stories in general, with essentially all past media having presented the [[spark]] as immortal. The idea was introduced back in [[Remain in Light 1 of 5: The Fecund Moon|''More than Meets the Eye'' #17]], in which Ratchet himself observed the first case had only been reported recently.
*Though it was deliberately and intentionally released first, the flashforward portions of this issue represent the chronologically-final installment in the [[2005 IDW continuity]], taking place after the final issues of the [[Transformers: Unicron|''Unicron'' mini-series]] and ''[[Optimus Prime (comic)|Optimus Prime]]''. The present-day portions, meanwhile, take place ''between'' those two issues, and technically "spoil" that Prowl, [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]], and the planet Earth survived the apocalyptic events of ''Unicron'' (although if that last one surprises you, we don't know what to tell you). This highlights the continuity problem we previously pointed out in our notes for [[Crucible (Part 4): The Return of the King|issue #22]], which claimed that only a month had passed for Team Rodimus since the beginning of the series; the events of ''Unicron'' did not occur until "a few years" after the series began. Therefore, we ''have'' to conclude that the team's trip through the [[Warren]] in [[The Everlasting Voices (1): Metastasis|issue #16]] involved them travelling through time as well as space (but it does still feel like an after-the-fact fix for what was initially a goof).
*Prowl proposes setting up the decommissioned ''Lost Light'' as a monument on the [[Mitteous Plateau]], a region of Cybertron introduced all that way back in ''More than Meets the Eye'' #1, adjacent to the ship's original launch site.
*The bottle of [[Nightmare Fuel]] Swerve serves up at the final party comes from the departed Trailcutter's private stash, which is where Swerve got the ''first'' bottle of it we ever saw, back in [[Shadowplay (Conclusion): An Intimate Beheading|''More than Meets the Eye'' #11]]. The bottle is dated to 2012, the year that the series began.
*Ultra Magnus shows Brainstorm a piece of writing about a character named "Sprinklor"; this is the "sprinkler [[fan fiction|fan-fiction]]" Rodimus mentioned in [[Crucible (Part 2): Lūstrāre|issue #20]], which Swerve had told him Magnus writes. Magnus describes Sprinklor as "very by-the-book, very rule-driven," proving that even the ex-Duly Appointed Enforcer of the Tyrest Accord isn't above creating "Self-Insert" fanfic.
*The figurines on the table during the crew's last night in Swerve's are from [[Ten|Ten's]] collection of hand-crafted figures, and are of the crewmembers who didn't make it: [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailcutter]], [[Skids (G1)|Skids]], [[Ravage (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ravage]], [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]], and Ten himself.
*The figurines stand around a model Lost Light created by Rung back in [[Elegant Chaos Part 2: Stet|''More Than Meets the Eye'' #37]].
*Bluestreak reminisces with Lug and Anode about how he tried to kill them (after being turned into a Sparkeater) on Mederi, which we saw in [[Crucible (Part 1): A Dance Before Dying|issue #19]].
*Nickel and Roller appear to have hit it off, flirting with each other in Swerve's. Nickel was shown surreptitiously "checking him out" back during a group scene in [[Crucible (Part 3): Farsickness|issue #21]]. It only makes sense that she'd be attracted to someone of Roller's build, considering he was a chief suspect among the fanbase for [[Tarn (DJD)|Tarn]]'s identity for a long time.
*Fortress Maximus makes peace with the Scavengers after their previous rather violent meeting in [[Animals|''More than Meets the Eye'' #46]]. As he does so, Misfire is seen marveling over the guns in his legs, an attribute of Max's that was previously the subject of some humorous focus in [[Interiors|''More than Meets the Eye'' #6]].
*Aside from Swerve's recollection of the crew's trip to [[Hedonia]] in [[Cybertronian Homesick Blues|''More than Meets the Eye'' #13]], the rest of the escapades the crew remember all happened "off-panel" and have never been mentioned before, but they are framed as happening "near" places we know the ship visited: [[Temptoria]] in [[Before & After|''More than Meets the Eye'' #12]], and [[Scarvix]] in [[Our Steps Will Always Rhyme|''More than Meets the Eye'' #40]]. Notably, they laugh about an encounter with the "[[Improbability Police]]" that saw the ''Lost Light'' being impounded for "unlikely crimes" and Ultra Magnus getting them off by claiming the charges themselves were "too far-fetched"—a story that ''would'' have been told during the comic's third "season" had the decision not been made to end the IDW universe.
*The phrase "You flare, you flicker, you fade" was previously quoted by [[Shock (G1)|Shock]] in [[Liars, A to D Part 3: The Chaos of Warm Things|''More than Meets the Eye'' #3]], and is here revealed to be a line from "[[Afterlight]]," a poem written by Megatron in his youth. Megatron wistfully notes the poem was also [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]]'s favorite.
*Ultra Magnus isn't kidding when he opens his toast by saying "I never thought I'd say this... but it's been fun." He was incapable of saying the word "fun" in [[How Ratchet Got His Hands Back|''More than Meets the Eye'' #5]].
*Hot Spot, Blades, Streetwise, and Groove all appear along with First Aid during Magnus's toast, proving that they survived their rather fatal-looking injuries in [[The Plotters' Club (Part 3): Journey's End|issue #12]].
*The Scavengers are presumably heading back to Troja Major because [[Crucible (Part 1): A Dance Before Dying|issue #19]] told us Grimlock left the [[Firstborn]] in the care of [[Agonizer|the Curator]] following the events of [[Kill All 'Cons|issue #15]].
*Taking Cyclonus's advice on love, Crankcase contacts CONS4EVA, the [[Dire Wraith]] he met online in ''[[Nothing Will Ever Be the Same Again!|More than Meets the Eye: Revolution]]''.
*Nautica mistakenly refers to Earth as "[[Swearth]]," the name the crew gave the holomatter duplicate of the planet they visited in [[The One Where They Go to Earth|''More than Meets the Eye'' #43]].
*Minimus notes it's been years since he worked on "[[Terms of Peace]]," the rulebook he was established to be writing in [[Sardines|issue #13]].
*The harvest of Luna 1's hot spot is termed the "Bronze Harvest," after the [[Silver Harvest]], the population boom from around five million years ago first mentioned in [[Twenty Plus One|''More than Meets the Eye'' #31]].
*Ratchet makes good on the promise that Whirl could have his hands after he died, made in [[Under Cold Blue Stars|''More than Meets the Eye'' #15]].
*Both Whirl and Megatron spend time incarcerated in [[Garrus-10]], the newest in the "Garrus" series of prisons that you'd assume was only constructed after the fall of [[Garrus-9]] in ''[[The Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers|Last Stand of the Wreckers]]''.
*Rodimus and Megatron's final talk in the latter's cell mirrors their first, from back in [[World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|''More than Meets the Eye'' #28]], with Rodimus no longer believing Megatron deserves the fate he is destined for.
*Megatron was revealed to have been given a Rodimus Star ("for abandoning his evil ways") in [[Elegant Chaos Part 3: Predestination: An Expert's Guide|''More than Meets the Eye'' #38]]. Megatron's fate is not explicitly stated in the text of the comic, but the fact that Rodimus is in possession of the star in the future certainly seems intended to imply that the jury voted for "execution."
*Whirl and Cyclonus's final on-panel interaction is a mirror of one of their earliest, from [[Liars, A to D Part 2: Hangers On|''More than Meets the Eye'' #2]]; there, Cyclonus caught Whirl in a surprise hug, with two question marks hovering over the shocked Autobot; here it's Whirl who does the surprise hugging, while exclamation marks hover over Cyclonus.
*The crew encountered the original quantum duplicate of the ''Lost Light'' in [[slaughterhouse|''More than Meets the Eye'' #32]]-[[slaughterhouse Part 2: The Road Not Taken|33]]. Nautica calls replicating the accident a "magic trick," since [[World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|''More than Meets the Eye'' #28]] told us that "magic=science Rodimus doesn't understand."
*Perceptor finally admits that he and Brainstorm are "simpatico," tapping him on the forehead with his index finger in the same way Brainstorm did to him when he originally used the phrase, back in [[Into the Abyss: Dark Cybertron Chapter 4|''More than Meets the Eye'' #24]]. Later, on twitter, James Roberts would confirm that this indicated the two were a couple. More interestingly though, it would seem Brainstorm has a [[Quark|type]].
* All the way back in [[The Transformers: Infiltration|''Infiltration'']], the very first story-arc of this continuity, Ratchet was the first Autobot to be introduced, when he rescues [[Hunter O'Nion]] and [[Verity Carlo]] from [[Thundercracker (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Thundercracker]]. While not the last issue in terms of release, it is the last to happen chronologically, thanks to the scenes that take place during Ratchet's funeral years after the end of the quest. The entire continuity begins and ends with Ratchet.

===Transformers references===
[[File:LL25 RiD Museum Guard guarding Whirl.jpg|thumb|right|300px|"The guard gave him what could loosely be called an old-fashioned look. It was practically neolithic."]]
*The Garrus-10 guards who escort Whirl are based on the [[museum guard]]s seen in the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|2015 ''Robots in Disguise'']] episode, "[[Pilot (Part 1)]]." Another appears later in the story to arrest Megatron, accompanied by a grey-blue robot based on the [[Kup (G1)/toys#Titans Return|''Titans Return'' Kup toy]], with a new head design.
*As the group parts ways, Chromedome and Rewind leave to visit the census center on the planet [[Milnex]]—a final tip of the hat to longtime regular ''More than Meets the Eye'' artist, [[Alex Milne]].
*Similarly, Rodimus arrives late because the ''Exitus'' was on the other end of the "[[Acklaw System]]", a reference to series artist J'''ack Law'''rence.
*The ''Exitus'' itself is likely a reference to writer James Roberts' exit from IDW comics.
*In one last final pair of references to James Roberts's signature recurring number, "[[113 (disambiguation)|113]]," Swerve is noted to have 113 locations in his "Swerve's" franchise, and Whirl refers to the Lunarian Transformer who performs Ratchet's funeral as "Lunarian 113."

===Real-world references===
*Nautica's book, "There Is a Light That Never Goes Out," is named after {{w|There Is a Light That Never Goes Out|The Smiths' song of the same title}}.
*On page 9, Cyclonus sings a line from "[[The Power of Love]]," which we previously saw in [[Elegant Chaos Part 3: Predestination: An Expert's Guide|''More than Meets the Eye'' #38]] and [[The Frail Gaze|#42]] that he is fond of.
*Whirl's holo-avatar's shirt reads "ASK ME ABOUT MY FEMINIST AGENDA," a garment made famous by Marvel Comics character {{w|Mockingbird (comics)|Mockingbird}} when she wore it on the cover of [[wikia:marvel:Mockingbird Vol 1 8|issue #8 of her self-titled series in 2016]].
*Drift is shown to have started referring to Ratchet by the pet name of "Ratty" during their relationship. The name is a reference to ''{{w|The Wind in the Willows}}'' character Rat, who was known as "Ratty" to his friends.

===Errors===
*Among the mourners at Ratchet's funeral on page 1 is Bluestreak, coloured like Prowl. As this scene is set in the far future, of course, it is not ''impossible'' for this to actually be Prowl, having reverted at some point over the years to a Cybertronian body-design like Bluestreak (versus the Earth SUV design he has in the present-day segments), and indeed, Roberts claimed on Twitter that it ''was'' Prowl... but given that ''absolutely everybody else'' at the funeral is or was a ''Lost Light'' crewmember, and "Prowlstreak" is specifically standing with Bluestreak's fellow mutineers and recurring crew B-and-C-listers Hound, Blaster, and Perceptor, it really does feel like a goof that's being covered for.
*On page 16, panel 2, Minimus Ambus says: "500 million sparks brought to term. 500 Lunarians given somewhere to live..." That ought to be "500 ''million'' Lunarians," a restatement of the previous sentence in different terms, rather than the implication that only 500 of the 500,000,000 sparks had been given homes and jobs. This is corrected in the trade paperback.

===Soundtrack===
*"[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4jR9P9YJGo Human]" by {{w|The Killers}}
*"[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuYKUWM_o60 Here It Comes (The Road) Let's Go]" by {{w|Spiritualized}}
*"[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNBjMRvOB5M Go West]" by {{w|Pet Shop Boys}}
*"[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwixk2TOHbs Let's Get Out of this Country]" by {{w|Camera Obscura (band)|Camera Obscura}}; specifically envisioned as the "end credits" song of the series
*"[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqmuaCSQuCs Lost Light]" by [https://retronymmusic.bandcamp.com/ Retronym], a fan-made song celebrating the series

===Other trivia===
*Originally announced for release in October, this issue arrives a little late, in the first week of November.
*Items from throughout the series seen on Cover B include: Anode's trowel, Tailgate's hoverboard, the replacement horn Tailgate made for Cyclonus in [[Remain in Light 5 of 5: This Calamitous Life|''More than Meets the Eye'' #21]], a [[nudge gun]], a string of "signal boosters"/[[Christmas]] lights from [[Silent Light|''The Transformers Holiday Special'']], a bottle of Nightmare Fuel, a [[Great Sword]], Nightbeat's magnifying glass, a [[curly straw]], a datapad displaying "[[Towards Peace]]," Rewind's head camera, one of the Necrobot's spark-flowers, the Autobot symbol patch from Whirl's holomatter avatar's dungarees, a tray of drinks from Swerve's, Swerve's "[[My First Blaster]]," a [[sparkeater (creature)|sparkeater]] tentacle, the vial of [[innermost energon]] Cyclonus gave Tailgate in [[Speak, Memory! (Part 2)|''More than Meets the Eye'' #49]], [[Nautica's wrench]], the canister of "[[Fool's Energon]]" from [[World, Shut Your Mouth Part 2: Words Hang in the Air|''More than Meets the Eye'' #29]], Ultra Magnus's ridiculously long nameplate from [[How Ratchet Got His Hands Back|''More than Meets the Eye'' #5]], a photonic crystal, Rung's glasses, Brainstorm's briefcase, Rodimus's empty half of the Matrix casing, the keys to the ''Lost Light'' seen on the cover of [[World, Shut Your Mouth Part 3: Predestination: A Beginner's Guide|''More than Meets the Eye'' #30]], a Rodimus Star, and fluttering above it all, the "WE'VE ACHIEVED SOMETHING" banner from [[The Sensuous Frame|''More than Meets the Eye'' #41]]. Roche misspelled it "ACHIEIVED" and nobody noticed until the cover was revealed online; it was then corrected for the final release.
*The "Story So Far" recap on the inside front cover this issue simply reads: "You're joking, right?"
*The language used by Rodimus to describe the fate of the ''Lost Light'' is a metaphor for the comic itself, and the broader concepts of stories about ongoing licensed properties, changing creative teams, and the rarity of definitive endings in that industry in general. Were the ''Lost Light'' allowed to go on with someone else at the helm, Rodimus laments, over time, bit by bit, "they'd end up replacing it with (...) a bad copy," and he would rather see the ship get a "proper ending" from which there is "no going back."
*Similarly, the crew's discussion about the new universe they find themselves in at the end of the story alludes to the end of the current IDW universe and the impending launch of a [[Transformers (2019 comic)|brand new continuity]] from the company. "What [will it] be like?" wonders Misfire. "Too soon to say," replies Drift. "It could be virtually identical to ours, or it could be fantastically different."
*This final issue features 24 story pages instead of the usual 20, plus a three-page letter from James Roberts to close out the series, reflecting on it and ''More than Meets the Eye'' before it and thanking the audience and his many creative collaborators. Of particular note: Roberts once remarked in a [https://twitter.com/jroberts332/status/704107919369961472 tweet from February 2016] that "the last line of the last issue" of the series had already been written, but he explains in this letter that this final line was not used in the end. The line was "OVER TO YOU," to be scrawled graffiti-style on top of "THE END" on the final page, as both a handing-over of the reins of the IDW Transformers universe to the next creative team, and in another sense, the handing of the "alternate universe" ''Lost Light'' to the prolific community of fan writers and artists, who will produce works starring these incarnations of the characters long after the series is over, and to whom Roberts is implicitly giving his "blessing" with the gift of a universe where those adventures can happen, forever. Roberts doesn't elucidate, but it's easy to interpret the line being dropped due to the fact that the [[2005 IDW continuity|current IDW universe]] is ending, and there ''is'' no next creative team, and this really is... ''*sniff*'' ...''the end'' for these characters.

===Covers (3)===
*'''Cover A:''' Our happy crew together, by [[Jack Lawrence]] and [[Joana Lafuente]]
*'''Cover B:''' A departing Rodimus casts a ''Lost Light''-shaped shadow, containing many artifacts from throughout the series (see "Other trivia," above), by [[Nick Roche]] and [[Josh Burcham]]
*'''Retailer incentive cover:''' [[Alex Milne]] returns to draw our heroes one last time, in an "updated" companion piece to [[:File:MTMTE vol1.jpg|his cover for the first ''More than Meets the Eye'' trade paperback]]; colours by [[Josh Perez]].
<gallery>
File:LL25 cvrA.jpg|''And we sailed out on orders from him but we found''
File:LL25 cvrB.jpg|''The maps he sent to us''
File:LL25 cvrRI.jpg|''Didn’t mention lost coastlines...''
</gallery>

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[[Category:Lost Light issues]]

Primeless, Part 2

2018-12-31T02:05:21Z

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'''Aileron and the colonists join forces with Jazz to track the black market Cybertronian weapons to their source.'''

==Synopsis==
Following [[Aileron]]'s instructions, [[Thundercracker (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Thundercracker]] and [[Buster (IDW)|Buster]] head out to [[Sanctuary Station]] to check that all its [[Decepticon]] inhabitants are accounted for, to eliminate them as potential suspects in the attack on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. The pair are welcomed by [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]], [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]], [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] and [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]], and Cosmos is quick to provide the necessary info: [[Liberty One|one shuttle]] is unaccounted for. Cosmos asks [[Slugslinger (G1)|Slugslinger]] if he knows who took it, but Slugslinger says he has no idea...

''In a series of ongoing solo interviews looking back on recent events, Slugslinger reveals he knew full well who took the shuttle, but kept it to himself, not wanting to get involved with the ongoing back-and-forth between Cybertron and [[Earth]]. Cosmos is of the opposite opinion, believing they should all work together. [[Needlenose (G1)|Needlenose]] has no desire to see a new war erupt, but worries about his [[Tracks (G1)|brother]], while Sky-Byte composes a poem about what he thinks is the start of a new conflict. [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] cares nothing for Cybertron, having suffered under [[Functionism]], and is glad to have left; [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]], on the other hand, despite his better judgement, still feels homesick for the planet sometimes and fears for its safety.''

Down on Earth, in [[Mexico]], [[Aileron]] orders the colonists into action to disarm the humans currently attacking [[Jazz (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Jazz]] with Cybertronian weaponry. With emotions already running high among them, the young soldiers prove overly vicious in their efforts, with [[Slide]] even opening fire, but they manage to send the humans fleeing without actually harming anyone. Aileron informs Jazz of the recent events on Cybertron, and the fact that they are here to bring him home—something that comes as a surprise to Jazz, since he figured they, like him, were searching for the origin point of the humans' alien weapons. Finding one of their attackers—an aerospace manufacturuer named [[Mateo Chavez]]—hiding nearby, Jazz coerces the man into taking them to the suppliers, and Aileron and the colonists go with him.

''Several of the armed humans give their own video testimonials. Retired soldier [[Russell Hathaway]] believes humans need to work together across all borders to defend themselves against Cybertronians, while civil milita member [[Patricia Heaton]] doesn't trust governments to handle the issue and thinks it's up to the individual to arm themselves. College professor [[Leon Weaver]] can scarcely comprehend what the world has turned into, but believes in personal preparedness. Chavez doesn't ''want'' to fight, but will to protect his family. Ex-[[Skywatch]] soldier [[Lori Ha]] doesn't like arming civilians, but is willing to put her personal professional training to use, as she doubts the government will handle things correctly. And retiree [[Earl Howard]] is all set to go to war and kill him some robots.''

Jazz, Aileron, and the colonists are led north by Chavez, openly crashing their way through the US/Mexico border as they go, with Jazz assuring them that they're making the right call regardless of how bad it looks. In a little ghost town, they find the weapon suppliers: two "real Nineties guys" in black suits. Aileron is horrified by Jazz when he appears to stomp one of the men dead... only to watch in shock as the human de-rezzes and fades away upon contact with Jazz's foot, revealed to be a [[holomatter]] avatar. Emotions are at war inside Aileron as she watches Jazz rip through the town, uncovering first the cache of weapons, and then the perpetrators: [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] and [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]], whose attempted getaway an angry Aileron blocks. It turns out the two punks have been running guns for ''months'', selling off the excess weaponry from Galvatron's army—not trying to agitate anything, just looking to make a buck. [[Gimlet]] threatens the pair with "Autobot justice", but that causes an argument that unravels the whole situation: the pair are Decepticons, and the stolen property belongs to the Decepticons, so [[Soundwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Soundwave]] should have jurisdiction over them, and Autobots passing judgement on Decepticons, well... four-million-year-long wars have been fought over less, and if humanity finds out that sort of conflict is going on between Cybertronian factions, it's not going to look good. Aileron's heart sinks as she realizes they're going to have to cover it all up in the name of the greater good. A furious Slide tells Aileron that she won't be making any such decision, and that they will leave it up to Optimus... only for to Jazz to chime in and note that they ''all'' know that Optimus will make the same call. Jazz has already felt the sting of Optimus's dedication to the "greater good" after the Prime refused to stand by his side when he came under human scrutiny, and knowing that the colonists came to look for on their ''own'', not on Optimus's orders, is the last straw. Aileron's offer of trying to secure a pardon for him from the [[President of the United States|president]] in reparation for the recent human attack on Cybertron doesn't interest Jazz; he informs Aileron he's going to be on his own for a while, and transforms and heads off into the sunrise. Slide takes the time to toss one last insult in Aileron's direction, and Aileron snaps, screaming at the [[Devisiun (planet)|Devisen]] to shut up, lest she ''shut her up.'' Slide scoffs and stalks off, knowing Aileron can't deliver on any threats.

''In their interviews, the colonists share their feelings. A cheery-faced Slide talks about how "inspiring" Optimus Prime was for her and [[Oiler]]. Gimlet believes in Optimus Prime and loves him, but can't help but wonder why he doesn't love the colonists back. [[Bump]] has begun to wonder if the tales of the [[Thirteen|Primes]]' divinity are true. [[Roulette (Universe)|Roulette]] explains that she believes in Optimus because he lived his life as a normal 'bot, as "Orion Pax," before taking on the mantle of Primehood. [[Midnight Express (RID)|Midnight Express]] is indifferent to Cybertron's fate, and thinks the colonies can survive on their own. And Aileron... Aileron just wants to build a better future.''

Aileron's team return to [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]] with the captured weapons. They find that [[Jetfire (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Jetfire]] is in charge now, with Soundwave having left on a mission to [[Castle Destro]], and all Aileron can tell him is that they found the source of the weapons, without naming names. Exhausted, Aileron retires to her recharge slab, but, haunted by everything she has seen and done, finds herself unable to sleep.

==Featured characters==
{{Featuredcharacters
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*[[Jazz (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Jazz]] (11)
*[[Gimlet]] (12)
*[[Aileron]] (13)
*[[Slide]] (14)
*[[Midnight Express (RID)|Midnight Express]] (15)
*[[Bump]] (16)
*[[Roulette (Universe)|Roulette]] (17)
*[[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]] (26)
*[[Jetfire (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Jetfire]] (27)

|c2=
*[[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] (3)
*[[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]] (4)
*[[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]] (6)
*[[Squawkbox]] (7)
*[[Squeezeplay (G1)|Squeezeplay]] (8)
*[[Needlenose (G1)|Needlenose]] (9)
*[[Slugslinger (G1)|Slugslinger]] (10)
*[[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (24)
*[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] (25)

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*[[Mateo Chavez]] (18)
*[[Russell Hathaway]] (19)
*[[Patricia Heaton]] (20)
*[[Leon Weaver]] (21)
*[[Lori Ha]] (22)
*[[Earl Howard]] (23)

|h4=Other [[Transformer|Cybertronians]]|c4=
*[[Thundercracker (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Thundercracker]] (1)
*[[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]] (5)

|h6=Others|c6=
*[[Buster (IDW)|Buster]] (2)
}}

==Quotes==
"Oh, wow, is that Sky-Byte? You made any good '''poems''' lately, S.B.?" 
"Have I—why of '''course''' I—I am always composing—why would you '''ask''' that? Did someone say I '''didn't?'''"
:—'''Thundercracker''' and '''Sky-Byte'''

"'''Squawk!''' Now we've got '''two''' Decepticons who think they're '''writers.'''" 
"Quick! Somebody find an '''editor!'''"
:—'''Laserbeak''' and '''Buzzsaw''', on the above

'''Slide:''' "This is a '''bad idea.'''" 
'''Gimlet:''' "Transgressing '''national borders''' with impunity, or '''listening''' to Aileron?" 
'''Aileron:''' "I can '''hear''' you guys."

"You can't just go off on your '''own''' again." 
"Here's the '''thing'''—you make a mistake when you're playing '''jazz,''' you do that mistake again, then '''again.''' You make it part of the '''tune'''... until it's not a '''mistake''' anymore." 
:—'''Aileron''' and '''Jazz'''

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
*Cosmos is labelled only as an "Autobot ally," and says he only "feels" like an Autobot, indicating that he has formally resigned from the Autobot ranks to live on Sanctuary Station, where he has been staying since the events of [[All Hail Optimus Part 6: No Fair Fights|''The Transformers'' #55]].
*Sky-Byte and Slugslinger were some of the first Decepticons to arrive on Sanctuary Station, back in [[Conquerors Part 1: Aphelion|''The Transformers'' #46]], and have been hanging around in crowd scenes and group shots ever since. By contrast, the two characters name-checked as being absent, [[Acid Storm (G1)|Acid Storm]] and [[Squeezeplay (G1)|Squeezeplay]], were formerly on the side of [[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]]'s evil Decepticons; Squeezeplay was revealed to have defected in [[All Hail Optimus Part 4: It's Beginning To And Back Again|''The Transformers'' #53]], but this is the first time we're hearing of Acid Storm's change of heart. He was, in fact, last seen being taken into custody by the [[Earth Defense Command]] in [[White Light|''The Transformers'' #56]].
*Aileron catches herself before saying the name "[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]" out loud; she obviously knows Jazz won't want to hear it after they tried to ambush him in [[What It's Really Like|issue #8]].
*Jazz recalls the time he discovered Spike was stealing Cybertronian technology and went on a similar "rampage," in [[Police Action Part 3: A Second Chance at Eden|issue #29]] of the [[The Transformers (IDW)|2009-2011 ''Transformers'' comic]].
*Rumble and Frenzy are using the motorcycle alternate modes they previously employed in [[Onyx Interface Part Two: Vs.|''The Transformers'' #36]]. In fact, it doesn't appear the pair ever formatted ''out'' of those bodies after that issue, they just haven't transformed since then.
*Aileron specifically recalls the riot in Mexico City from [[New Cybertron Part 1: To Walk Among the Chosen|issue #1]] as she realizes Rumble and Frenzy were responsible for selling humans the weapons involved in it. Midnight Express remains angry about being shot during the events of that issue.
*Aileron recounts the time she told Optimus Prime "foundations must be strong," which happened in [[All Hail Optimus Part 3: The Medium and the Message|''The Transformers'' #52]].
*Slide's description of Optimus — "a charismatic ideologue with a cause" — mirrors Soundwave's description of [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] as "a charismatic ideologue who believed in himself more than the cause", from [[Earthfall Part 2: Detonation Boulevard|''Robots in Disguise'' #29]].
*Just as last issue ran roughly concurrently with [[First Strike issue 1|''First Strike'' #1]], this one runs parallel to [[First Strike issue 2|''First Strike'' #2]] and on into [[First Strike issue 3|''First Strike'' #3]]. By the time Aileron returns to Autobot City, Soundwave has departed for Castle Destro with G.I. Joe, which happened at the end of issue #2, and Jetfire notes he has lost contact with him, indicating this scene is occurring some time after Soundwave and the Joes used the [[M.A.S.S. Device]] to teleport to Cybertron in issue #3.

===Transformers references===
* Bump admits to having a personal crisis of faith regarding his colony's belief in the divinity of the Primes, which seems like a nod to the character's original depiction in the ''[[Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Neo (cartoon)|Beast Wars Neo]]'' series, where he was portrayed as an empirically-minded — and decidedly atheistic — academic.
* Slugslinger is labelled as a "Master of Targets," an unsubtle reference to his original designation as a [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmaster.]]

===Real-life references===
*The screen Cosmos reads is written in the [[Cybertronian language|"Ancient Autobot"]] font, and mostly consists of words like "shuttle bay" and "Liberty One" (the shuttle Rumble and Frenzy took), and portions of those words and phrases, repeating over and over again. But the last line translates as "[[Quinjet]]," the personal aircraft of [[Marvel Comics]] superheroes, the [[Avengers]].
*Rumble and Frenzy's "real Nineties guys" holomatter disguises are Vincent Vega and Jules Winnfield, the characters played by {{w|John Travolta}} and {{w|Samuel L. Jackson}} in the 1994 movie ''{{w|Pulp Fiction}}''.

===Errors===
*Squeezeplay makes a small cameo on page 1 on Sanctuary Station, when he is supposedly out in a shuttle with [[Acid Storm (G1)|Acid Storm]].
*On page 19, Slide refers to her colony as "Divisen", rather than "[[Devisiun (planet)|Devisiun]]". This is corrected in the trade.

===Other trivia===
*Originally solicited for release in October this issue arrives just a little late, on the first of November.
*Midnight Express thinks the colonies will be fine on their own, without Cybertron? That's pretty rich coming from a [[Caminus|Camien]], given that his world was in the throes of energy deprivation and needed Cybertron to help it, to the point that [[Windblade (G1)|a Camien representative]] was sent out to ''get'' that help. Stow that attitude, Midnight!

===Covers (4)===
*'''Cover A:''' Aileron, Pyra Magna, and Optimus Prime through a mirror crack'd, by [[Kei Zama]] and [[Josh Burcham]]
*'''Cover B:''' Jazz at gunpoint, by [[Casey Coller]] and [[John-Paul Bove]]
*'''Cover C:''' Thundercracker and Buster iiiinnn spaaaace! by [[Andrew Griffith]] and [[Josh Perez]]
*'''Retailer incentive cover:''' Wheeljack, Rodimus, Ironhide, Windblade, Optimus Prime, and Bumblebee versus Megatron, Starscream, and Soundwave, with everyone in their [[Evergreen]] character designs, by [[Joana Lafuente]]; part of a matching pair with Lafuente's retailer incentive cover for [[The Plotters' Club (Part 2): Filling in the Blanks|''Lost Light'' #11]], which shows the scene from the opposite angle

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:''Bumblebee is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:TF-Alliance03 Cover Nizzi.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb| Hi kids! I'm the new face of Transformers! Hope you enjoy!]]
'''Bumblebee''' is one of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]'s most trusted lieutenants. Although he is not the strongest or most powerful of the Autobots, Bumblebee more than makes up for this with a bottomless well of luck, determination and bravery. He would gladly give his life to protect others and stop the [[Decepticon]]s.

Badly damaged in battle, Bumblebee lost the ability to speak verbally, though he can still communicate over [[Inter-Autobot radio|inter-Autobot frequencies]] (in a fashion that seems somewhat akin to instant messaging, a usable but more distant and less personal means of interaction). He can also communicate with the Autobots' human allies and his friend, [[Sam Witwicky]], by playing audio clips from popular media on his radio. Though he has these stable forms of communication, Bumblebee would love nothing more than to finally get his voice back someday.

As the battles on Earth have raged on and more of their old friends have perished in the fighting, Bumblebee has found himself forced to step up as acting Autobot leader whenever Optimus isn't around. This stint at leadership isn't exactly going that well, as not only are there barely any surviving Autobots around to lead, not many of them respect his authority. Bumblebee's trying his best, but he shows all the signs of a young 'bot forced to grow up too fast, with his impulsiveness sometimes giving the Autobots as much trouble as their adversaries.

He is also known as '''N.B.E.-02''', '''ZB-7''', or '''B-127''', and has operated under the codename '''Goldwheels'''. He is also partnered with the [[Dinobot (AOE)|Dinobot]] [[Strafe (AOE)|Strafe]], and is brothers-in-arms with fellow Autobot [[Hot Rod (DOTM)|Hot Rod]].

{{quote|If there's anything you need, I won't be far away.|Bumblebee quoting ''{{w|Forrest Gump}}'' to Sam|''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''}}

==Fiction==
===Movies===
{{note|The movies are the primary component of the live-action movie continuity family. Their events should be taken as canon for all other pieces of fiction listed below, unless otherwise specified.}}

{{voiceactor|[[Mark Ryan]] (English; ''Transformers''), [[Erik Aadahl]] (English; ''The Last Knight''), [[Dylan O'Brien]] (English; ''Bumblebee''), [[Hiroshi Iwasaki]] (Japan radio voice), [[Akio Kato]] (Japan normal voice), [[Kōichi Yamadera]] (Japanese radio voice; ''Age of Extinction''), [[Masato Obara]] (Japanese; ''The Last Knight'')|[[Lu Kui]] (Chinese), [[Patrick Bethune]] (French, ''Transformers'' & ''Revenge of the Fallen''), [[Emmanuel Jacomy]] (French radio voice, ''Age of Extinction''), [[Helmut Gauß]] (German, ''Transformers''), [[Boris Tessman]] (German, ''The Last Knight'') [[Eduardo Borgerth]] (Brazil), [[Omar Soto]] (Latin American-Spanish Radio voice), [[Enrique Cervantes]], [[Arturo Acosta]] (Latin American-Spanish radio voice; ''Revenge of the Fallen''), [[Alfredo Gabriel Basurto]] (Latin American-Spanish normal voice), [[Ferso Velázquez]], (Latin American-Spanish radio voice; ''Dark of the Moon'' & ''Age of Extinction''), [[Gerardo Alonso]] (Latin American Spanish radio voice; ''Age of Extinction''), [[János Bácskai]] (Hungarian, ''Transformers'' & ''The Last Knight'')}}

[[File:TLK Bumblebee versus Nazis.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.8|He shot fifty men.]]
At some point in the past, Bumblebee had a phase where he became extremely insubordinate and disrespectful to Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction}} When the Autobots scattered to the stars in search of the lost [[AllSpark]], Bumblebee made his way to the planet [[Earth]], where he connected the trail of the lost relic to the [[Witwicky]] family line. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}} During [[World War II]], Bumblebee and [[Hot Rod (DOTM)|Hot Rod]] fought alongside Allies, during which the two met and befriended a young [[Edmund Burton]]. After the war however, Bumblebee resumed his search while Hot Rod remained behind. As the decades passed, Bumblebee would not come to remember World War II as a particularly noteworthy conflict. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}
[[File:VWBumblebee.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.8|"Do [[Sam Witwicky|you]] have your [[Archibald Witwicky|grandfather]]'s [[Archibald Witwicky's glasses|glasses]]- wait, sorry, [[Charlie Watson|wrong human]]."]]
[[File:Bumblejeep.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.8|"Maybe if I look like this, [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] will think I'm [[Swindle (G1)|a part]] of [[Combaticon (G1)|his brigade]]!"]]
{{comingsoon|when=December 21, 2018}}{{storylink|Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee}}
[[File:Movie2007 Bumblebee dealership.jpg|left|upright=1.8|thumb|Out with the old, and in with the new.]]

In 2007, disguised as a battered 1970s Camaro, Bumblebee followed [[Ron Witwicky]] and his son [[Sam Witwicky|Sam]] to [[Bolivia's Finest Quality Used Cars and Petting Zoo|a second rate car dealership]] and slipped himself amongst the vehicles, intending to have the boy purchase him so that he could get close to the family. When proprietor [[Bobby Bolivia]] couldn't agree on a price, however, it looked like Sam would wind up buying another car, so Bumblebee used a high-frequency sound wave to blow out the windows of every other vehicle in the lot, leaving Bolivia with no choice but to sell him.

[[File:Movie Bumblebee winner.jpg|right|upright=1.8|thumb|YOU BIG WINNER, HAHAHA.]]

The next day, Sam and his friend [[Miles Lancaster]] drove Bumblebee down to a party at the lake, where the disguised Autobot decided to do the boy a favor, playing "Drive" on his radio to subtly convince Sam to kick Miles out and offer his crush [[Mikaela Banes]] a ride home. When he neared a romantic spot overlooking the city, Bumblebee turned off his engine and began playing romantically suggestive songs; this didn't have the intended effect, and Bumblebee had to abruptly turn himself back on again when Mikaela started to walk off. After they returned Mikaela home, Bumblebee drove off during the night; Sam, believing it to be a car theft, followed him to a junkyard and witnessed the robot-mode Bumblebee sending a beacon into space to summon his fellow Autobots. Apparently unaware that he had been spotted, Bumblebee then scared off the junkyard's two guard dogs when they menaced Sam.

[[File:TF2007 bumblebee 2009 camaro.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.8|Out with the new, and in with the newer.]]

When Bumblebee returned to the Witwicky home the next day, a terrified Sam fled from what he dubbed "Satan's Camaro", only to wind up being attacked by the Decepticon [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]], who was also on the trail of the AllSpark. While fleeing this new threat, Sam ran into Mikaela, and Bumblebee then snatched the pair up and drove them away, with Barricade in hot pursuit. Taking refuge at a deserted chemical plant, Bumblebee revealed his robot form to the two humans so he could engage Barricade in combat, eventually knocked the Decepticon out after a brawl. Afterward, Bumblebee—able only to communicate in sound bites broadcast over his radio—properly introduced himself to Sam and Mikaela, and drove them to nearby [[Griffith Observatory]] to watch as the other Autobots he had called upon arrived in the sky overhead. Along the way, when Mikaela wondered aloud why a super-advanced robot turned into a "piece of crap Camaro", a mildly insulted Bumblebee scanned a passing 2009 Camaro, taking on its sleek and shiny form himself.

[[File:Movie BumblebeeCC guardian.jpg|right|upright=1.8|thumb|I may be your guardian, but I will not carry you through a crowd to the music of Whitney Houston.]]

Bumblebee took his friends to a secluded alleyway, where Sam and Mikaela met the other Autobots, including their leader, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]. Medical officer [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] explained that Bumblebee's inability to speak was a result of an old injury to his [[processor|vocal processor]], which Ratchet then treated with a regenerative plasma beam.<ref name="Orci">[http://boards.transformersmovie.com/showthread.php?t=12054 Post-movie Q&A with screenwriters Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman]</ref> Prime explained that Sam had been targeted because he owned [[Archibald Witwicky's glasses|a set]] of [[glasses]] belonging to his grandfather, [[Archibald Witwicky]], which had the location on the AllSpark inscribed on their lenses, and the entire group returned to the Witwicky home so they could obtain them.

[[File:Movie2007 Bumblebee lubricates Simmons.JPG|thumb|left|upright=1.8|"They should change my name to Bumble-PEE!!!" Ba Dum Tss! I'll be here all night!]]

Though the glasses were soon found, the forces of [[Sector Seven]] soon descended upon the house and apprehended Sam and Mikaela. The Autobots wasted no time in rescuing them, but when the interrogation of [[Seymour Simmons]] went nowhere, Bumblebee became so annoyed with his attitude that he released lubricant onto the agent. When Sector Seven reinforcements arrived, the Autobots were forced to hide; unfortunately, Sam and Mikaela fell from their hiding place beneath a bridge, and Bumblebee had to reveal himself to save them. Harpooned and frozen by Sector Seven agents, he was captured by the organization, with Optimus Prime regrettably unable to intercede as he knew the Autobots could not do so without harming the humans.

[[File:TF2007 bumblebee captured.jpg|thumb|upright=1.8|"I WAS FROZEN TODAY!"]]
Taken to Sector Seven's base at [[Hoover Dam]], Bumblebee was continually doused with cryoblasts to keep him subdued while experiments were performed on him, until Sam and Mikaela (with some armed persuasion from [[William Lennox|Captain Lennox]]) convinced S7 to let him go. Upon his release, Bumblebee almost lashed out at his human oppressors until Sam calmed him down, informing him of the presence of the AllSpark and [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] in the facility, and that the Decepticons were coming for both. Following the humans to the AllSpark's chamber, Bumblebee hesitantly reached out to the life source of his people and reformatted it, shrinking the cube until it was a size that the humans could manipulate. Cube in hand, Bumblebee and a military escort fled to [[Mission City]], meeting the Autobots en route.

[[File:TF2007 bumblebee gives sam allspark.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.8|"I can't carry it for you, but I can carry you!”]]
Soon after Bumblebee and the Autobots arrived in the city, the Decepticons descended in force, with a missile attack from Starscream blowing off Bumblebee's legs. To get him to safety, Mikaela and Sam hoisted Bumblebee onto an abandoned tow truck, but Bumblebee pushed the AllSpark into Sam's hands, urging him to run while he still could. As Sam reluctantly left, Mikaela drove Bumblebee away from the fighting to relative safety, but she was soon overcome with guilt for leaving Sam and the battle. With Bumblebee's assent, she turned headed back in, driving the truck in reverse so that Bumblebee could fire his weapons at [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]], helping take the tank Decepticon out. Subsequently, Sam used the AllSpark to destroy Megatron, and in the aftermath, Bumblebee found that his voice had returned,<ref name="Orci"/> and he used it to request permission to remain with Sam. Optimus and Sam agreed, and after his legs were repaired, Bumblebee allowed Sam and Mikaela to make out on top of him as Optimus sent his message to space calling other Autobots to Earth. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}}

{{note|Bumblebee's involvement in the preceding events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the novels “[[Transformers (novel)|Transformers]],” "[[Transformers: The Junior Novel]]” and "[[The Quest for the AllSpark]]"; the "[[Transformers: Movie Adaptation]]” and "[[Movie Trilogy]]" comics; the activity book "[[Look and Find Transformers]]"; and the storybooks “[[Bumblebee Rumble]],” “[[Optimus Prime Versus Megatron]],” “[[Sam's New Car]],” “[[Transformers (interactive Play-a-Sound Storybook)|Transformers Play-a-Sound]],” "[[Transformers Mix & Match]]," "[[Meet the Autobots]]," "[[Meet the Decepticons]]," and "[[Transformers: The Movie Storybook]]." In several, Bumblebee has his own [[Moustache Man]] hologram driver, which does not appear in the finished film.}}

[[File:ROTF bumblebee opens fire.jpg|thumb|upright=1.8]]
Two years after the battle of Mission City, his voice still not properly repaired, Bumblebee was dozing in the Witwicky garage the day Sam was packing for [[Princeton University]] when a scream from Sam saw him called into action to blast the [[AllSpark Mutation]]s a surviving sliver of the AllSpark had made of the Witwicky kitchen appliances. Shrugging off [[Judy Witwicky]]'s complaints that he had blown up much of their house, 'Bee returned to the garage, where he was dismayed to learn that Sam was not planning on taking him to college with him, as just he wanted a normal life.

[[File:ROTF bee makes trouble.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.8]]
Hoping that Sam could serve as an ambassador of sorts to help convince the [[President of the United States]] that it was important the Autobots stay on Earth to fight off the Decepticons, Optimus Prime had Bumblebee pick up Sam from college so he could talk to him. 'Bee caused trouble for Sam right away, disrupting a frat party he was attending, then wound up with an unwanted passenger in [[Alice]], about whom he could tell something wasn't right. Bonking her head off his dashboard and spraying her in liquid to get rid of her, he then took Sam to meet Optimus, but the boy turned down the Autobot leader's offer. Unfortunately, Sam soon proved to have little choice in whether or not he would be involved in the Transformers' war, when a resurrected Megatron captured him, and Bumblebee and Prime had to come to his rescue. 'Bee took Mikaela and Sam's roommate [[Leo Spitz]], to safety, but Optimus died protecting the boy.

[[File:ROTF bumblebee puppdogeyes.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.8]]

Bumblebee, together with [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]], took the three humans to an abandoned prison where they would be safe, but soon, the Decepticons' master [[The Fallen]] struck across Earth, demanding Sam he turned over to them. Bearing Sam no grudge for Optimus's death, Bumblebee promised to help his fugitive friend in any way, though he advised against Sam turning himself in. At Leo's suggestion, the group went to [[New York City]] to meet his internet rival, the Robo-Warrior—in actuality, Bumblebee's old lubrication post Seymour Simmons, who provided evidence that [[Seeker (ROTF)|a group of Decepticons]] had been on Earth thousands of years ago. Following this information, the group located and reactivated the ancient [[Jetfire (Movie)|Jetfire]], who teleported them to [[Egypt]] to search for the [[Matrix of Leadership]], which Sam hoped could be used to revive Optimus.

[[File:ROTF Bumblebee twin bash.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.6|Respect my authoritah!]]

Bumblebee transported the humans to [[Petra (Earth)|Petra]], the supposed location of the [[Tomb of the Primes]], but when it appeared to be a dead end, the Twins got into an argument over why they were following Sam around. The argument turned into a brawl which threatened to crush the humans in the close quarters, so Bumblebee picked his two subordinates, slammed them together, and threw them out of the temple. However, the Twins' brawl had managed to unearth the Tomb of the Primes, and Bumblebee further opened the hole with his plasma cannon, where they found the Matrix...which instantly turned to dust. Gathering up the dust in hopes it would still work, the team headed back to Egypt, but were [[Operation: Firestorm|assaulted]] by Starscream on the way. 'Bee, Simmons, Leo, and the Twins led Starscream and the Decepticons away while Sam and Mikaela went on ahead, and when it became apparent that Starscream was no longer pursuing them, Bumblebee left to rejoin the pair.

[[File:ROTF movie BumblebeevsRampage.jpg|thumb|upright=1.8|Move your body Rampage! Yeah, like that, gymnastics are really easy when you have two legs. Oh wait...]]

Arriving in the abandoned town Sam and Mikaela were hiding from the Decepticons in, Bumblebee found that Sam's parents were being held captive by [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]]. Sam distracted the [[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicon]] long enough for Bumblebee to jump him, but while they were grappling, [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]] ambushed Bumblebee. The plucky Autobot managed to fight off Ravage and ''rip out his spine'', then overpowered and killed Rampage. At Sam's instruction, Bumblebee took the boy's parents to safety, returning in time to see Sam apparently be killed by a blast from Megatron, upon which he broke down in grief. However, Sam miraculously survived the attack, and with the reformed Matrix of Leadership, resurrected Optimus Prime. Together, the assembled Autobots and humans watched as Optimus combined with the remains of Jetfire, destroyed the harvester and killed The Fallen. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

{{note|Bumblebee’s involvement in the preceding events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the novels “[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]],” “[[Revenge of the Fallen: The Junior Novel]]” and “[[The Last Prime]]"; the comic mini-series “[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Official Movie Adaptation]]”; and the storybooks "[[I Am Optimus Prime (ROTF)|I Am Optimus Prime]],” “[[When Robots Attack!]],” "[[Rise of the Decepticons]]," "[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Electronic Voice Changer]]" and "[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Mix & Match]]." In the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|novelization]] of the film, Bumblebee speaks—with difficulty—in his own voice several times, a story element that was cut from the finished film.}}

[[File:DOTFfilm-BumblebeeStealthForce.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.8|''Stealth'' Force? Right...]]
Three years after the defeat of The Fallen, Bumblebee no longer lived with Sam, having been put back on active NEST duty now regularly engaged in top secret missions with the rest of the Autobots, mostly to prevent human conflict. Alongside [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]], [[Mirage (Movie)|Dino]] and [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Que]], 'Bee investigated an illegal nuclear facility, employing his [[Stealth Force]] mode to destroy it. Upon returning to the [[NEST]] base, he assisted in teaching soldiers how to fight Decepticons.

[[File:DOTM bumblebee vs brazos.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.8]]

Having received information from his co-worker [[Jerry Wang]] that suggested a conspiracy of humans collaborating with the Decepticons, Sam and his new girlfriend [[Carly Spencer]] went to NEST headquarters to share what Sam had learned, but when the guards would not let him enter, he grabbed a radio and called for Bumblebee to "convince" them. The guards quickly backed off when Bumblebee burst out of the building, but the reunion wasn't an entirely happy one, as Sam made clear to his big 'bot buddy that he was upset that he wasn't around much any more. National Intelligence Director [[Charlotte Mearing]] had no interest in Sam's conspiracy theories, so Sam left with Bumblebee to investigate the matter himself. To "repay" Sam's boss eccentric [[Bruce Brazos]] for a few leads he was able to provide them, Bumblebee play-fought with the man, who tried some karate moves on him.

[[File:Dotm-sam&bumblebee-ahhh!-1-.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.8|Here comes another Flight of the Bumblebee joke...]]
After Sam, [[Seymour Simmons|Simmons]] and [[Dutch (DOTM)|Dutch]] learned that the Autobots' recent actions—recovering their lost former leader [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]] and his [[space bridge]] [[pillar]]s from the wreck of the ''[[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]]'' they had discovered on Earth's [[Moon (moon)|moon]]—had actually been orchestrated by the Decepticons, Bumblebee, Sideswipe and Dino escorted the humans and Sentinel back to the NEST base. En route, they were attacked by the [[Dread (DOTM)|Dreads]], and Bumblebee was forced to execute an impressive mid-air transformation to avoid a crashed truck, tossing Sam into the air as he switched modes, before transforming back to vehicle mode around the boy. When the group arrived back at NEST, Sentinel revealed he was in league with Megatron, and Bumblebee was unable to prevent [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] from being killed and the base from being destroyed as Sentinel retrieved his pillars.

[[File:DOTM-bumblebeesamsfriend.jpg|thumb|upright=1.8|Bee good.]]
Sentinel used his pillars to open a space bridge in the heart of Washington, and Bumblebee and the Autobots were vastly outnumbered by the Decepticon forces that poured through and had to retreat. When Sentinel forced the humans to exile the Autobots on their ship, the ''[[Xantium (DOTM)|Xantium]]'', Bumblebee was allowed a short time to say goodbye to Sam, and assured him he was always going to be his friend, before helping the others prepare the ship for launch. However shortly after lift-off, the ''Xantium'' was destroyed by [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], and Bumblebee and the rest of the Autobots were presumed dead.

[[File:DOTM bee and carly in ship.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.8]]
In actuality, the Autobots had hidden in a rocket booster that was jettisoned before the Xantium's destruction, and arrived in the Decepticon-occupied [[Chicago]] in time to help Sam, [[Robert Epps|Epps]] and a team of soldiers in finding the kidnapped Carly. Bumblebee piloted one of the downed Decepticon fighters to get Sam into the building in which Decepticon conspirator [[Dylan Gould]] was holding Carly, and used it to both rescue the pair and blast off [[Laserbeak (DOTM)|Laserbeak]]'s head. He rejoined his fellow Autobots in attacking the Decepticon forces, and arrived in time to save Sam and Lennox from falling to their deaths after Sam managed to kill Starscream.

[[File:830px-Dotm-helluvarun-1-.jpg|thumb|upright=1.8|He's right behind me, isn't he?]]
Unfortunately, Bumblebee, Sideswipe, Dino, Ratchet and Que were soon captured by [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] and his troops, and Bumblebee could only watch as Que was executed. He had barely a moment to mourn before he was pulled forward, sharing what seemed to be a final, heartfelt look with Sam... before [[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]] and [[Brains]] suddenly started dropping Decepticon fighters from a Decepticon warship above. With Soundwave distracted, Bumblebee attacked his would-be executioner, and after a short but intense battle, killed the Decepticon spy-master by punching straight through his chest and blasting his head to bits. Subsequently, Bumblebee joined the final battle, and with Ratchet's help, he tackled and destroyed the space bridge's control pillar, shutting the bridge down. After the defeat of the Decepticons and Sentinel Prime, Bumblebee produced a selection of gears and washers from inside his body so that Sam could use one as a ring to propose to Carly with, but Sam just told him that he needed to slow it down. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}
{{note|Bumblebee's involvement in the preceding events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the novels “[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (novel)|Transformers: Dark of the Moon]]” and “[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon: The Junior Novel]],” the “[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon Movie Adaptation]] and "[[Movie Trilogy]]" comics,” and the storybooks “[[Autobots Versus Decepticons]],” "[[The Lost Autobot]]," "[[Optimus Prime's Friends and Foes]]," “[[Bumblebee's Best Friend]]," "[[Dark of the Moon: Action Pop-ups!]]" and "[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon Mix & Match]]."}}

[[File:AOEBumblebee.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.8|After a wild bender, Bumblebee woke up in the desert, stripped of his 2011 Camaro kibble.]]
In the aftermath of the Battle of Chicago, Bumblebee remained on Earth with the other Autobots, but they were all soon forced to go on the run when US government disbanded [[NEST]], and [[Harold Attinger]]'s [[Cemetery Wind]] taskforce began hunting down Transformers. Disguised as a beat-up 1967 Camaro, Bumblebee even found himself having to take command of the remaining Autobot refugees when Optimus Prime disappeared, even though the others saw him as brash and inexperienced.

[[File:AOE bee and stinger.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.8|Bumblebee shares the same feeling with [[Stephanie Sheh|Usagi Tsukino]] when it comes to clones.]]

Five years after Chicago, Optimus returned and Bumblebee relinquished command, but this did not stop [[Drift (AOE)|Drift]] from complaining about Bumblebee's leadership skills. Indignant at being called a "child" by the Autobot samurai, Bumblebee briefly brawled with Drift, but greater matters soon demanded the Autobots' attention. Following information provided by Optimus's new human ally [[Cade Yeager]] that revealed Cemetery Wind were delivering the bodies of the Transformers they captured to [[Kinetic Solutions Incorporated]], the Autobots prepared to infiltrate the company's Chicago headquarters; Bumblebee falsified ID cards to get Cade and [[Shane Dyson]] into the building, then drove them to the site, masquerading as a non-sentient vehicle being brought in for [[scanning]]. Upon seeing the company's display of [[Stinger (AOE)|Stinger]], a drone based on his own design, as well several videos and posters claiming that he was inferior to the human-made Transformer, Bumblebee flipped out and knocked over the prototype, then left Shane to take the blame for the accident.

[[File:AOE bumblebee missiles.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.8|Hi Tom!]]

The information Cade brought out of KSI revealed to the Autobots that the captured Transformers were being melted down for their raw [[Living metal#Live-action film series|transformium]] metal. Learning that Ratchet had suffered this grisly fate, Bumblebee joined the Autobots in attacking the building, though not before he half-heartedly scanned a 2014 Camaro along the way, taking on a sleek new alternate mode. He got a lift from Drift's helicopter mode to the buildings upper levels and was able to rescue Cade from Attinger's clutches, having no regards for rampaging the building for Ratchet. The Autobots then withdrew, but were pursued by Stinger and KSI's premiere creation, Galvatron; 'Bee attempted to blast Galvatron with a cluster of missiles, but was left in utter shock when the drone disintegrated and reassembled himself to avoid the attack.

[[File:AOE-BeeIsTheBest.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.8|Never mind the fact we should be ripped to shreds by the shattered glass from this skyscraper, you're the best, Bee!]]
When Optimus was captured by [[Lockdown (ROTF)|Lockdown]], Bumblebee and the Autobots infiltrated the [[Knight Ship|bounty hunter's ship]]. Bumblebee helped their human allies escape from several [[Steeljaw (AOE)|Steeljaw]]s, and though he could not stop the ships anchors from being detached, causing the humans to fall towards Chicago, he still managed to save them by swinging down on the cables and grabbing them out of the air. Given a lift by [[Crosshairs (AOE)|Crosshairs]] in a stolen gunship, 'Bee had to take over piloting the craft while Crosshairs engaged Lockdown's pursuing henchmen, and although he managed to lose the ships chasing them by diving into an underground roadway, he then promptly crashed the gunship into the city streets.

Bumblebee and the humans regrouped with the other Autobots at a disused train yard, where they learned from Brains that Galvatron was, in actuality, a reborn Megatron, and was planning to detonate a cyberforming [[seed]]—given to KSI head [[Joshua Joyce]] by Lockdown—in [[Hong Kong]]. The team immediately headed for China, but upon arrival, their ship was shot down, and Bumblebee, [[Hound (Movie)|Hound]] and the humans fell out and had to escort the seed out of the city. [[File:CheapKnockOffs.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.8|But how does he feel about the length of his toy page?]] Bumblebee and Hound acted as a defensive line against Galvatron's forces, and though they destroyed many drones, they slowly became overwhelmed by the onslaught. Salvation came in the form of Optimus Prime and the newly recruited [[Dinobot (AOE)|Dinobots]]; their airborne member [[Strafe (AOE)|Strafe]] partnered himself up with Bumblebee, and together, they took out Stinger, who 'Bee "eulogized" by calling him a "cheap knockoff" and let Strafe gnaw on his head. With the battle reaching fever pitch, Bumblebee was tasked by Cade with taking his daughter [[Tessa Yeager|Tessa]] and Shane out of the city, but the pair soon convinced him to turn around and help Optimus and Cade fight the returned Lockdown. Bumblebee quickly found he was no match for Lockdown, but his intervention gave Tessa and Shane enough time to help Optimus recover, and the Autobot leader slew the bounty hunter. Bumblebee, alongside the other Autobots, was tasked with protecting the Yeager family from any threats when Optimus left Earth to confront Lockdown's employers, the mysterious [[creator (AOE)|creators]]. With Optimus off-world, Bumblebee was left in charge of the Autobots. {{storylink|Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction}}

[[File:TLK Bumblebee snags Santos.jpg|thumb|right|300px|If it's a Super Saiyan you're looking for, I can fill the part.]]
In the years since Optimus Prime's departure into space in search of the Creators, Bumblebee retook command of the remaining team of Autobots on Earth. He accompanied Cade and Hound to the Chicago No Go-Zone: a hotspot of Cybertronian artifacts that landed on Earth since the Battle of Chicago. He and Cade came to the aid of [[Izabella]] after her Autobot companion [[Canopy]] was killed with Bumblebee himself destroying one of the attacking Sentinels. When Cade was held up by the [[Transformers Reaction Force|TRF]], Bumblebee came to his assistance, albeit in an unorthodox manner. He blew himself apart, only for his individual pieces to piece back together and reassemble himself in order to dispose of the TRF forces, giving their side the advantage. If it weren't for Lennox's intervention, Bumblebee would very likely have killed TRF Commander [[Santos]]. With Cade easing the standoff to prevent any collateral damage and Hound arriving at the scene, he urged the TRF to lower their weapons and allow them to leave, but not without the TRF tagging Bumblebee with a tracker.

Back at the [[Junkyard (TLK)|junkyard]] where the other Autobots camped, he struggled to keep the team in order, with Grimlock stealing the local sheriff's cruiser and Crosshairs questioning his leadership skills, with whom he engaged in a small brawl. It wasn't helped by the arrival of the unscrupulous [[Daytrader]], who brought with him more of his shady trinkets, which included a [[Vatti Bot]] (which Bumblebee angrily crushed) and the deceased Starscream's head. The next morning, however, a convoy of Decepticons were heading towards at the junkyard. While Hound and [[Trench]] held the line, Bumblebee and others fled to a nearby town where Drift discovered and disabled the tracker the TRF had placed on Bumblebee. After the Decepticons had been lured into a trap, Bumblebee personally slew [[Mohawk]] before a [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] by the name of [[Cogman]] arrived on the scene to escort Cade to England to meet Sir Edmund Burton. Bumblebee accompanied Cade as extra muscle.

[[File:TLKOptimusVsBumblebee.jpg|left|upright=1.6|thumb|Ah, I was wondering what would break first! Your spirit -- ''or your body!'']]
At the castle, they were initially greeted by [[Bulldog (TLK)|a tank Transformer suffering from "robot-dimentia"]] attacking them before Sir Edmund scrolled him for firing at guests. Burton then expressed joy at seeing Bumblebee despite the Autobot not remembering him. It was then that Bumblebee was reunited with Hot Rod, who had sort of kidnapped a woman named [[Viviane Wembly]]. When the TRF arrived, Bumblebee served as a getaway car for Cade and Vivian, depositing them at her flat before he took the two to the [[HMS Alliance|HMS ''Alliance'']], during which he managed to get his Decepticon nemesis Barricade off his tail by blasting him aside. Leaving Hot Rod behind, Bumblebee took hold of the massive femme as she submerged and took the humans to a [[Guardian Knights' ship|submerged Cybertronian ship]]. Inside the ship, however, the group was forced to split as ocean debris had made the path accessible to humans but inaccessible to Bumblebee. He caught up with the two soon after Viviane had found the [[Staff of Merlin]] and seconds before [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Nemesis Prime]] arrived to demand the staff. After threatening Viviane's life for it, Nemesis walked out and Bumblebee, spurred on by Cade, followed Nemesis to try and reawaken his true personality.

On the deck of the ship, Nemesis promptly beat Bumblebee into submission only for the sound of Bumblebee's true voice to reawaken Optimus Prime. Allying with the [[Guardian Knight]]s, the Autobots flew to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] to confront and destroy [[Quintessa (TLK)|Quintessa]] while Viviane removed the staff from the [[ignition chamber]] to halt her plan. Though Cybertron's reconnecting and shifting geology proved an obstacle, the Autobots made it to the area of the ignition chamber only to be faced by a Decepticon army backed up by a gun emplacement and [[Infernocus]]; they were eventually destroy by Optimus and [[Sqweeks]]. Salvation came when the [[British Armed Forces|British military]] caused a nearby chunk of Cybertron to swing and impact the ignition chamber. In the temporary state of zero gravity, Bumblebee took the opportunity to kill [[Nitro Zeus]] by blowing up his head. Optimus then distracted Quintessa allowing Bumblebee to blast her from behind (with a quippy one liner) and Viviane to remove the staff saving Earth. on the surface of Earth, Optimus had felt that Cybertron had healed enough that the Autobots could return home and Bumblebee, after thanking the humans for saving Optimus, boarded the [[Knight Ship]] as it blasted off for Cybertron. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}

===Novels===
====''Ghosts of Yesterday''====
Before coming to Earth, Bumblebee was part of the crew of the [[Ark (Movie)|''Ark'']], searching through space for the lost AllSpark. In 1969, Earth-time, the crew encountered an alien ship, the ''[[Ghost 1]]'', in an abandoned solar system. After the ship turned tail and headed for one of the local planets, Optimus Prime sent Bumblebee down after it. Bumblebee located the ship, and was about to approach it when [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] arrived, and he was forced to retreat under the Decepticon's superior firepower. Shortly after Bumblebee discovered some apparently artificial pillars, the ground gave way beneath him, and 'Bee found himself plunged into a cave system. With his radio damaged, he explored the caves, and was attacked by giant, monstrous worm creatures, whose organic nature did not make them any less challenging as opponents. Fortunately, Optimus arrived in time to save him.

Prime and Bumblebee had a brief encounter with Starscream and the ''Ghost 1'', the crew of which had been persuaded by the Decepticon that the Autobots were the aggressors in the Transformer war. The pair retreated back below ground, and later found the ''Ghost 1'' in a battered state, having been abandoned by Starscream. Bumblebee made contact with its crew, a species known as "humans", and the earlier misunderstanding was soon cleared up. When more of the worm creatures turned up, Bumblebee acted as a diversion so Optimus could blast a way out of the caves, and everyone escaped intact. They returned to the ''Ark'' in time to fight the Decepticons once more. Bumblebee joined Ratchet in attacking Barricade, though the Decepticon gave them more than enough trouble. When the ''Ghost-1'' and its crew were lost during the battle, the Autobots turned their attention toward the planet from which it had hailed... Earth. {{storylink|Transformers: Ghosts of Yesterday|Ghosts of Yesterday}}

====''The Veiled Threat''====

Following the battle of Mission City and the destruction of the AllSpark, Bumblebee's guardianship of Sam Witwicky meant that he was not an activate participant in any missions carried out by the forces of NEST. {{storylink|Transformers: The Veiled Threat|The Veiled Threat}}

====''Classified'' novels====
[[File:Tfc-switchinggears.jpg|right|thumb|Psst, down here!]]
After the defeat of The Fallen, NEST resumed their regular business of hunting down rogue Decepticons. Bumblebee was at [[Edwards Air Force Base]] with Ratchet when they received word that two Cybertronians in transition forms had landed near [[Hurley's Crossing]]. The pair went there by helicopter and encountered [[Reverb (ROTF)|Reverb]], who claimed to be a Decepticon defector hunting down another Decepticon who was after the technology at [[Hawthorne Army Depot]]. Though Bumblebee was highly skeptical, he followed Ratchet's lead, and they took Reverb to the depot. When they reached it, [[Kevin Bowman]] let them know that [[Gears (ROTF)|Gears]] was an Autobot and in reality trying to protect an ancient weapons cache. The warning came too late, as Reverb turned the weapons on Bumblebee and Ratchet, who were unable to penetrate the personal forcefield Reverb had acquired. Despite this, Bumblebee lasted out Reverb's defeat with minimal damage. {{storylink|Transformers Classified: Switching Gears|Switching Gears}}

When Bumblebee and Gears were left at base, they received word from [[Douglas Porter]] that the Decepticon [[Blowback]] was heading up to [[Battle Mountain]] where a storehouse of Cybertronian artifacts had been discovered. The pair were compelled to travel to Battle Mountain with Kevin and Douglas, though Bumblebee made a detour to a [[Kwiki-Burger]] on the way. On arrival, they were attacked by Blowback and his men, and by the time they'd dispatched the four Decepticons, Kevin and Douglas had found the storehouse. They were subsequently picked up by Ironhide and taken back to face Optimus Prime's anger at them having gone off on their own. {{storylink|Transformers Classified: Battle Mountain|Battle Mountain}}

When the Battle Mountain cylinder was in danger of activating, Bumblebee and Gears took part in a convoy to transport the device to a NEST vault near [[Yucca Mountain]]. The trip was cut short when the convoy was ambushed outside [[Beatty]] by Reverb and some stolen [[Hyperdynamix]] autonomous tanks. They caught a break when Reverb was called away to the nearby Hyperdynamix Aerospace facility, and while Gears and Kevin followed the Decepticon, Bumblebee remained to protect the remains of the convoy. {{storylink|Transformers Classified: Satellite of Doom|Satellite of Doom}}
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===IDW movie comics===
[[File:Defiance1 Cliffjumper Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.8|"Tell Hasbro that [[Cliffjumper (disambiguation)|I]] don't want to be a [[repaint]] of [[Bumblebee (disambiguation)|you]] anymore!"]]

Bumblebee was born over 10,000 years ago, one of the second generation of Cybertronians spawned by the [[AllSpark]] since its rediscovery and the revitalization of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. {{storylink|Movie Prequel issue 1|Movie Prequel #1}} He and [[Cliffjumper (Movie)|Cliffjumper]] were guardians of the AllSpark at the [[Simfur Temple|Temple]] of [[Simfur]]. One day, when the AllSpark suddenly began giving off energy spikes, a nervous Bumblebee was troubled by the fact that planetary leaders Optimus and [[Lord High Protector]] Megatron were more concerned with a nearby archaeological excavation than with the source of the spikes, but Cliffjumper reassured him that they could handle whatever came their way. He would soon regret those words when [[Ejoornian|aliens]] from the nearby [[Eshems Nebula]] attacked Simfur. The pair were seeking cover inside the temple when Lord Megatron swooped in, berated them for not taking the fight to the enemy, and destroyed their opponent. {{storylink|Defiance issue 1|Defiance #1}} Instructed to stay out of the military's way, Bumblebee was concerned that the attack signalled the start of something ''big'', but Cliffjumper was unconcerned on the basis that two lowly guards wouldn't be part of whatever it was. [[Prowl (Movie)|Prowl]] agreed, ordering them to stay at their posts, after which he quizzed them on how the AllSpark had reacted during the battle. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 2|Defiance #2}}

[[File:Defiance3 Optimus Bumblebee orders.jpg|thumb|upright=1.8|Well, that's one way to make a first impression.]]

His ambition ignited by the [[The Fallen|mysterious relic]] discovered at the archaeological dig, a power-hungry Megatron sought to have Optimus disposed of, and sent a team led by Prowl—including Bumblebee—to apprehend him on charges of treason. When Optimus angrily demanded to know what he had done, Bumblebee pointed his weapon at the science leader and said they were just following orders, which seemed to satisfy Optimus. What 'Bee and the other security officers didn't know, however, was they were being led into a trap; on the way to the city of [[Metrotitan (ROTF)|Metrotitan]], they were ambushed by a soldiers loyal to Megatron, who had been ordered to kill them all, save Optimus. Bumblebee helped haul [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] to safety after the group was hit by an explosive round, and Optimus ordered them all to withdraw to [[Burthov]] while he took care of their attackers personally. {{storylink|Defiance issue 3|Defiance #3}} {{storylink|Foundation issue 3|Foundation #3}}

[[File:Defiance Bumblebee vehiclemodes.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.8|My alt mode is Pac-Man!]]

After it was learned that Megatron had rebuilt his Defense Force as an army known as the "Decepticons", Optimus—now Optimus ''Prime'', embracing his destiny—organized Bumblebee and the others loyal to him to stand against Megatron's forces as the "Autobots". While on an apparent scouting mission, Bumblebee and Arcee discovered the Decepticon starship ''[[Nemesis (ROTF)|Nemesis]]'' while it was under construction; some time later, when the vessel was complete, they also observed as the majority of the Decepticon forces boarded. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4|Defiance #4}} Returning to the camp at Burthov, they and all the assembled Autobots watched at the ''Nemesis'' took off. {{storylink|Foundation issue 3|Foundation #3}} With the bulk of the Decepticons gone, the Autobots launched their first strike against the Decepticons, and the war between the two factions truly began. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4|Defiance #4}}

[[File:MovieMegatron Bumblebee torture comic.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Megatron's attempt at a "Give me your arm!" meme didn't really take off...]]

After years of war, with no end in sight, Bumblebee participated in an assault on Simfur Temple to activate the "[[pillar|torch]]" [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]] had created, which Sentinel had promised would end the conflict. {{storylink|Foundation issue 3|Foundation #3}} Alas, Starscream blew up Sentinel's [[Ark (DOTM)|ship]], and Bumblebee retreated with the rest of the Autobots. However, the battle had weakened Decepticon forces to the extent that the Autobots were soon able to steal the AllSpark. {{storylink|Foundation issue 4|Foundation #4}} After moving the relic around the planet, Optimus Prime finally made the desperate decision to launch the AllSpark into space to put it beyond Megatron's reach. This decision took Bumblebee by surprise, but he supported Optimus. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4|Defiance #4}} Bumblebee was placed in command of a small Autobot unit at the AllSpark's hiding place in [[Tyger Pax]], on the assumption that the Decepticon would focus their attention on Simfur; unfortunately, Megatron sensed the AllSpark's true location, and Bumblebee and his men found themselves under attack by the Decepticon leader and his troops. [[Swindle (Movie)|Swindle]] tried and failed to torture the AllSpark's precise hiding spot out of Bumblebee, forcing Megatron to take up the task, but even 'Bee did not know ''exactly'' where it was—moments later, both he and Megatron could only watch as the cube was blasted into space from a launch site nearby. A furious Megatron crushed Bumblebee's voice capacitor beyond repair in a petty act of revenge and took off after the AllSpark; although the young bot survived and was dubbed a hero for his actions, he feared that all the Autobots had done was potentially spread their war to other worlds. {{storylink|Movie Prequel issue 1|Movie Prequel #1}}

[[File:MoviePrequel Interlude bee vs barricade.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.6]]

In time, the Autobots left Cybertron aboard the ''Ark'' in search of the AllSpark. {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream issue 1|The Reign of Starscream #1}} After years of questing, in 2003, Bumblebee traced the AllSpark to Earth's [[Solar System]], first touching down on [[Mars (planet)|Mars]], where his image was captured by the [[Hubble Space Telescope]] and passed to human organization [[Sector Seven]]. {{storylink|Movie Prequel issue 2|Movie Prequel #2}} Landing on Earth in the state of [[Virginia (state)|Virginia]], 'Bee quickly evaded S7 by scanning a battered old Camaro and making for [[St. Louis]], [[Missouri]]. There, he used a remote link to a coffee shop computer to search [[Shwiggle]] for any signs of extraterrestrial sightings, and discovered the story of Captain [[Archibald Witwicky]], who claimed to have seen an "Ice Man" that Bumblebee recognized as a frozen Megatron. {{storylink|Movie Prequel issue 3|Movie Prequel #3}} Bumblebee's followed Witwicky's trail to an [[Psychopathic Institute for the Long-Term Insane|asylum]] in [[Baton Rouge]], [[Louisiana]], where the late captain had been committed, {{storylink|Movie Prequel issue 4|Movie Prequel #4}} then headed downtown to [[asylum|another asylum]] that had computerized records he could scan. Having thus obtained a list of Witwicky's descendants, Bumblebee set course for [[Springfield]], Missouri, in search of his son [[Clarence Witwicky|Clarence]], evading an attack by Sector Seven along the way. In Springfield, he found records of Clarence's children and started out to track them down, starting with his eldest son [[Ben Witwicky|Ben]] in [[Denver]], [[Colorado]]. Ben proved a dead end, so 'Bee took off for [[Tucson]], only to be again attacked by Sector Seven, evading their helicopters by blinding them and rocketing off at high speed. Not long after, he learned the Decepticons had followed him to Earth when he was attacked by Barricade in the desert. {{storylink|Planetfall (Movie)|Planetfall}} {{storylink|Interlude}}

[[File:Prequel3 bumblebee altmode.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.8]]

Escaping his various pursuers, a damaged and smoking Bumblebee stopped by the roadside on the way out of Colorado to rest and recover. Suddenly detecting a burst of AllSpark energy, he trace the source to [[New Mexico]], where Barricade tracked him down and attacked once again. Other Decepticons, meanwhile, attacked the energy source and found it to be a Sector Seven ruse; consequently, assuming Bumblebee would have further leads they could exploit, Barricade let 'Bee escape so that they would be able to covertly track his movements. Eventually, Bumblebee's search took him to [[Tranquility]], [[Nevada]], {{storylink|Movie Prequel issue 4|Movie Prequel #4}} where he would soon encounter Sam Witwicky, whom he befriended and allied with during the subsequent battle for the AllSpark. {{storylink|Transformers: Movie Adaptation}}

[[File:Alliance2 Bumblebee takecove-rrk.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.8|"Why do they always aim for the throat!?"]]

Immediately following the battle in [[Mission City]], Bumblebee had his legs reattached by Ratchet, then he and the other Autobots rolled out to avoid Sector Seven's inquiries. 'Bee remained behind to guard Sam when the other Autobots were summoned to a meeting with Lennox a month later, {{storylink|Alliance issue 1|Alliance #1}} but then took part in the mission Lennox requested their help with: transporting the dead Decepticons' body to a navy base in [[San Diego]], [[California]] for disposal at sea. Before departing Sector Seven's [[Nevada]] base with the convoy, Optimus Prime gave the surviving AllSpark sliver to [[Vine|Professor Vine]] for safekeeping, but had second thoughts about his decision partway into the mision and sent Ironhide and Bumblebee back to the facility to retrieve it. Racing ahead, Bumblebee was greeted with an unexpected sight: the base aflame, and Decepticons [[Wreckage (Movie)|Wreckage]] and Starscream brawling in the midst of it all. 'Bee disarmed Wreckage with a well-aimed blast and Starscream finished him off, then turned his firepower on the humans; Bumblebee dived in front of them and took the blast, damaging his vocal processor once again. {{storylink|Alliance issue 2|Alliance #2}} {{storylink|Convergence chapter 4}} Ironhide praised him for his bravery and selflessness, Bumblebee regretted not being able to save everybody. {{storylink|Alliance issue 3|Alliance #3}}

[[File:Alliance3 Ironhide Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5|"I see dead people, I mean it, look there's one right over there."]]

Two weeks later, Bumblebee was present for the burial at sea of [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]] and the Decepticons, following which it was announced that the Autobots and Lennox's team would be working together as a new special unit, dedicated to protecting the Earth from threats posed by the remaining Decepticons. They began training on the island of Diego Garcia, but it took time for the humans and Autobots to learn to work together; during a training exercise on a shooting range, when Bumblebee instinctively fired on a target, he only narrowly avoiding blasting Epps in the process. {{storylink|Alliance issue 3|Alliance #3}} For their first mission, NEST was deployed to [[San Francisco]] to take out the Decepticons [[Jolt (Movie)|Deadend]] and 'Bee's old opponent Swindle. Bumblebee and Lennox chased Swindle onto the deserted [[Golden Gate Bridge]], where the Decepticon was amused upon realizing who it was he was facing once again. When Swindle turned on Lennox, however, he learned the folly of underestimating Bumblebee, who blasted his one-time torturer through the back, killing him. {{storylink|Alliance issue 4|Alliance #4}}

[[File:TotF1 bee vs barricade again.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4]]

Concerned that Sam Witwicky would become the target of the Decepticons again, Optimus selected Bumblebee to act as Sam's guardian again and sent him to live with the boy. {{storylink|Alliance issue 4|Alliance #4}} However, Bumblebee's attempts to integrate himself into Sam's life were not as smooth as he had hoped. Without the team structure of the Autobots, Bumblebee tended to act upon instinct, taking revenge on Mikaela's ex-boyfriend [[Trent DeMarco]] for his previous humiliations of Sam by wrecking his truck, smashing a would-be car thief with the door he was attempting to unlock, and inadvertently giving Sam traffic tickets by not observing the rules of the road. When Bumblebee was alone, he attempted to learn as much as he could about human culture, feeling that he owed it to his friend. {{storylink|Tales of the Fallen issue 1|Tales of the Fallen #1}} Though no longer on active NEST duty, Bumblebee very occasionally helped his Autobot allies out; in November 2008, he came on-scene to assist his team-mates after [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] had... demolished a sizeable amount of human property in [[Uruguay]]. {{storylink|Tales of the Fallen issue 2|Tales of the Fallen #2}}

Soon, the problem of Sam's impending departure for college arose: 'Bee intended to follow Sam wherever he went, but Sam feared that he might not be able to bring his car along with him. Not thrilled the prospect of Bumblebee continuing to live with them, Sam's father Ron decreed that once Sam had gone to school, Bumblebee would have to leave. However, unexpectedly, Ron came to Bumblebee seeking aid when Mikaela reported that Sam had never made a rendezvous with her. Speeding out of the garage without Ron (and without waiting for the garage door to open), Bumblebee searched for clues to Sam's whereabouts and eventually found a message from his old foe Barricade, who demanded the AllSpark in exchange for the boy. Finding the pair at an car wrecking yard, Bumblebee attacked Barricade, but was considerably outmatched, with the Decepticon gloating that Earth had made the Autobot soft, and their last encounter was down to pure luck. Eventually, with a distraction from Sam, Bumblebee was able to force Barricade into a pool of gasoline. With the Decepticon hardly down for the count, Bumblebee told Sam to run and ignited the gasoline, causing a tremendous explosion that sent both Transformers flying. In the aftermath, Bumblebee told Sam he had a feeling they hadn't seen the last of Barricade. {{storylink|Tales of the Fallen issue 1|Tales of the Fallen #1}}

[[File:After fight with Soundwave Nefarious 1.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.4|If you have a problem... if no one else can help... and if you can find them... maybe you can hire... The Bee Team.]]

In the wake of the Autobots' battle with The Fallen, {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Official Movie Adaptation|Revenge of the Fallen movie adaptation}} with more new Autobots arriving on Earth regularly, Bumblebee was brought back onto active duty and placed in charge of a team made up of rookies [[Jolt (ROTF)|Jolt]], [[Knock Out (ROTF)|Knock Out]], [[Dune Runner (ROTF)|Dune Runner]] and [[Breakaway (ROTF)|Breakaway]]. Bumblebee's team responded to Decepticon activity at [[Kingdom Petrochemicals]] in [[Florida]], but 'Bee and the other ground-based team-members arrived too late to save Breakaway from dying at Soundwave's hands. The Decepticons soon fled, as did a mysterious group of humans also active at the sight, leaving Bumblebee mystified as to what was going on. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 1|Nefarious #1}} He and his team returned to [[Edwards Air Force Base]], where Galloway was annoyed that he hadn't been notified about the arrival on Earth of some of the members of Bumblebee's team. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 2|Nefarious #2}}

After Optimus managed to capture Soundwave in [[Utah]], Bumblebee's team was assigned to escort the captive Decepticon to a NEST base in [[Odessa]], [[Texas]]. Decepticon. En route, their transport plane was shot down by [[Buzzsaw (ROTF)|Buzzsaw]], and when they attempt to continue the mission on the ground, they were soon obstructed by Soundwave's "mini-militia". Bumblebee tussled with [[Rumble (ROTF)|Rumble]], but quickly realized that his team was outmatched. Rather than a repeat of the loss of Breakaway, Bumblebee opted to release Soundwave. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 3|Nefarious #3}} Subsequently, Soundwave chose to ally himself with the Autobots to bring down the [[Initiative]], the human organization who had also been at Kingdom Petrochemicals, who were conspiring against the Transformers. Bumblebee's team were part of the NEST unit that follow Soundwave to the supposed location of the [[Initiative base|Initiative's base]] in [[Inyokern]], but the mobile facility had already relocated to [[Crater Lake]], [[Oregon]], by the time they got there. Pursuing it, 'Bee's team was sent to assault the base from the north, but when Bumblebee broke through the base wall, he was confronted by a most unexpected set of opponents: Initiative-controlled Transformers! {{storylink|Nefarious issue 5|Nefarious #5}} The damage he took from the initial blast knocked him out of the fight, but he had recovered in time to help during the clean-up. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 6|Nefarious #6}}

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While Bumblebee was picnicking with Sam and Arcee, a small earthquake, followed by the emergence of a Transformer energy signature, prompted the trio to investigate. Tracing the signal to a nearby cave, they were attacked by [[Space Case (DOTM)|Space Case]], who had been freed from his subterranean prison by the 'quake, and who promptly brought the cave down on top of the threesome. {{storylink|Transformers: Space Case}} Separated from Arcee in the cave-in, Bumblebee managed to hold up the collapsed ceiling, but could not get any transmissions out through the rocks, and found his strength slowly ebbing as the weight pressed down. 'Bee's mind drifted back to a recent encounter he and Sam had with Starscream, and remembered how the boy had aided him by using downed power lines to electrocute the Decepticon. Reminded that friendship meant trying your hardest and not letting your friends down, Bumblebee dug deep, and when a crack of light appeared overhead, managed to wrench the rocks clear. The pair were lifted to safety by Ratchet, who had been digging for them, and who was amazed that Bumblebee had had the strength to carry the weight for as long as he had. {{storylink|Transformers: Bumblebee}}

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While visiting Sam at college in [[Philadelphia]], Bumblebee was parked at the roadside waiting for him while he grabbed lunch when he was approached by "[[Brains]]", a Decepticon brain unit who had just recently come online and escaped from [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] and [[Astrotrain (DOTM)|Astrotrain]]. Believing him to be an ordinary Earth vehicle, but not understanding that said vehicles were not alive, Brains tried asking Bumblebee for help; naturally, Bee did not break cover by replying, but when an angry Brains then kicked him, 'Bee's temper got the better of him and he transformed. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 1|Rising Storm #1}} Sam and Bumblebee brought Brains back to his college, but this only made them targets for a force of Decepticons heralded by 'Bee's recurring opponent, Barricade. Vastly outnumbered, Bumblebee nearly met his maker at the end of [[Sonar (ROTF)|Sonar]]'s blaster, but was saved when NEST reinforcements [[Mirage (Movie)|Mirage]] and [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack]] arrived. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 2|Rising Storm #2}} As the battle intensified, Bumblebee and Barricade squared off once more, {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 3|Rising Storm #3}} but as more Autobot backup came to join the fight, Bumblebee got the better of his old enemy and defeated him yet again. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 4|Rising Storm #4}}

Concurrently with the battle in Philadelphia, Shockwave had staged a devastating attack on NEST's Diego Garcia base, necessitating a restructuring of the organization. NEST's [[Charlotte Mearing|new director]] removed Bumblebee from his position as Sam's guardian, and placed him on full-time NEST activity. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 4|Rising Storm #4}} Some time later, the Autobots faced the return of Sentinel Prime and Bumblebee and Sam were reunited to thwart his space bridge plot. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon Movie Adaptation|Dark of the Moon movie adaptation}}
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====''Transformers: Beginnings''====
[[File:MoviePrequel bumblebee seeks allspark.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.8|It's a great big universe, and we're all really puny We're just tiny little specs about the size of Mickey Rooney]]
{{voiceactor|[[Mark Ryan]]}}

[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] entrusted Bumblebee with the secret that the AllSpark would be sent into deep space to prevent Lord Megatron from possessing and corrupting it. Just after the launch, Megatron attacked Bumblebee in rage at losing the AllSpark and shattered the Autobot's voice capacitor beyond repair.

Bumblebee arrived on Earth and, sensing the AllSpark was near, took on local camouflage to search for the artifact. He immediately attracted the attention of Sector Seven agents and the Decepticons. {{storylink|Transformers: Beginnings (Movie)|Transformers: Beginnings}}

{{note|Transformers: Beginnings is a condensed, flash-animated retelling of the events of the [[Transformers: Movie Prequel|Movie Prequel]], described in the above section.}}
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====''Schick Hydrobot and the Transformers''====
While searching for Decepticons, Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, and Hound came across [[Hydrobot (TLK)|Hydrobot]] and mistook him for a [[Decepticon]]. Before they could catch him, Hydrobot escaped from the Autobots' clutches. The trio started to realize that they might have judged the small 'bot wrongly when Hound found out that the [[H-Boostium|substance]] Hydrobot left behind was nothing like something a Decepticon would use. They traced its source to a [[Schick]] R&D department and gained access into it in vehicle mode by fooling the guard into believing that the vehicles modes they were using was ordered by the scientist Dr. [[Hiroshi Benson]] himself. Upon gaining access to the laboratory, they confronted Hiroshi in robot mode, which left the human scientist baffled.

Shortly after the scientist finished explaining the origin of the substance and Hydrobot, a squadron of Decepticons led by Megatron suddenly bursted through the wall, explaining their intent to use the devices inside Hiroshi's laboratory to build the Energon converter. Luckily, Hydrobot arrived at the scene to help the Autobots by knocking over [[Onslaught (ROTF)|Onslaught]]. With help from Hiroshi's [[Energy-field razor|control set]], Bumblebee released a shock burst towards the Decepticons, prompting them to retreat. After all was said and done, the Autobots gave Hydrobot a lift and bid their farewells, but Bumblebee knew that he would return one day. {{storylink|A New Friend|A New Friend}}
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====''Bumblebee Movie Prequel''====
{{note|Bumblebee Movie Prequel follows along with the continuity twist regarding Bumblebee's arrival on Earth that was established in [[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight]].}}
[[File:BumblebeePrequelSketches.jpg|thumb|right|200px|"Bumblebee: Year One"]]
During the war for Cybertron, Bumblebee was friends with the Autobot [[Diabla (BB)|Diabla]], at one point battling alongside her in the [[smelting pool]]s of [[Polyhex]]. {{storylink|From Cybertron with Love}} Unbeknownst to Bumblebee, Diabla was a Decepticon mole who had infiltrated the Autobots to destabilize them from within; when Diabla's treachery was revealed, Bumblebee maintained that Diabla had ''always'' been an Autobot, albeit one who had gone bad and joined the Decepticons.

After arriving on Earth and serving in World War II, Bumblebee — prior to the loss of his voicebox — fell in with [[Sector Seven]] at some point after the end of the war. At some point during the early 1960s the organization traded him to [[MI6]], Bumblebee joining the ranks of Britain's elite counterintelligence agency [[P.R.O.G.R.A.M.M.E.]] Partnered with the not-so-suave superspy [[David Reeve]], {{storylink|The Man with the Golden Car}} and taking pointers from intelligence specialist [[Diana Lux]], {{storylink|The Living Headlights}} Bumblebee and Reeve embarked on a series of globetrotting adventures, battling against the forces of [[Konrad Gotell]]'s [[E.I.D.O.L.O.N.]] crime syndicate. In [[1964]], the duo tracked Gottell to [[Germany|East Berlin]]. Though Reeve discovered that Gotell had already been killed, and his office booby-trapped rigged to blow, Bumblebee was forced to evade the German police before he could rescue his partner from [[Wild Rider|Wildrider]], killing him by throwing him into the [[Berlin Wall]] and crushing him with a chunk of rubble.

Some time later, the duo returned to the United Kingdom to rendezvous with their handlers at [[Maundy Gregory Studio]]; though initially put out about being left in the rain, his position allowed him to realize that [[Pelham|the agency's director]] had been killed, his car coopted as a disguise for the Decepticon [[Runabout (BB)|Runabout]]. Bee was barely able to warn Reeve and Lux before the blast from Pelham's explosive-rigged body took out the studio, shielding his human friends from Runabout and Diabla's attacks. At Reeve's suggestion, Bumblebee fell back, deploying an oil slick to trip up the Decepticons while he made his escape. Regrouping on [[Victoria Embankment]], Reeve was barely able to recontact [[B.A.S.E.S.T.A.T.I.O.N.]] on a secure line: learning that P.R.O.G.R.A.M.M.E. had been potentially compromised by a human collaborator, the trio were sanctioned to do whatever it took to eliminate the compromised agent. {{storylink|The Man with the Golden Car}} Reeve was unaware that Bee and Lux had tapped the call, and though Lux briefly wondered if Reeve would kill ''them'' based on that suspicions, the sight of his partner raising his gun caused the Autobot to flee... until it became clear that Reeve was aiming at the Deception duo who had tailed them, and the subsequent chase took them across London until Bumblebee transformed to tangle with Diabla atop [[Tower Bridge]]. When it became clear that Diabla wouldn't listen to her old comrade, and that the Decepticon had him phsycially outmatched, Bumblebee escaped death by diving into the [[Thames]] so that he could meet up with his human contacts at a secret P.R.O.G.R.A.M.M.E. safehouse.

To meet with Gottell's old contact [[Vladimir Vladek]], the two humans disguised themselves as a photographer and a model, staking out [[Carnaby Street]] in the process and using Bumblebee's vehicle mode to block the road from Diabla so that the two humans could break into Vladek's headquarters. In the ensuing battle, Bumblebee attempted to talk down his old friend; this time, the Decepticon agreed, and the pair retreated to the roof to converse. Despite his best efforts, Bumblebee was unable to convince Diabla to reveal any information about her human connections, and the entire conversation was quickly revealed to be a distraction, so that [[Dead End (ROTF)|Dead End]] could tie up another loose end by killing Vladek while [[Blitzwing (BB)|Blitzwing]] eliminated the Autobot. {{storylink|The Living Headlights}}

Left to the mercy of Diabla and Blitzwing, Diabla's brief moment of mercy — when she briefly considered giving Bumblebee a quick and painless death — allowed Bumblebee to take on Blitzwing, though it quickly became clear that the Autobot was outmatched. Instead, Bee fired at a nearby gas main, using the explosion as cover to scoop up his human allies before transforming and fleeing into the [[London Underground]]. Pursued by Diabla, Bumblebee was able to outmaneuver his Decepticon foe by deploying his meager rear-mounted weaponry, baiting her into getting hit by an oncoming train while he re-emerged in south London.

Having eluded their pursuers, Reeve made contact with an "old friend" who promised more news regarding the activities of their foes. That evening, the group headed to [[Hyde Park]] to meet up with Reeve's ally; though momentarily surprised by a Decepticon ambush, their opponents were taken offline by [[Heath Donovan]], a Sector Seven agent in charge of keeping tabs on Bumblebee. New information revealed the full extent of the Decepticon's plans, including the extinction of humanity by turning the [[Cold War (history)|Cold War]] hot, but thanks to the homing device he'd tagged Diabla with in the Underground Bumblebee revealed that he was able to take them to their base of operations. Hitching a ride aboard a [[Jetfire (ROTF)|stealth jet]], the trio parachuted into an abandoned castle, with Bumblebee dropping [[Darksteel (DOTM)|a guard]] before fighting their way into the complex... and discovered the diminuitive Decepticon [[Malignus (BB)|Malignus]] as the mastermind behind the conflict. {{storylink|Energon Is Forever}}

Having revealed his role in recent events, gloating about his plans to push the nations of Earth into a nuclear war, Bumblebee begged Diabla for help one last time — only for Lux to reveal that she had previously turned Bumblebee's homing rounds into explosive devices, and detonated Diabla's, causing a momentary distraction that allowed the three heroes to slip their bonds. Deploying an underwater mode, Bumblebee was able to dive into the castle waterways, using his oil slick to blind the [[Sharkticon (BB)|Sharkticon]]s that pursued him. When it seemed like his luck had run out, however, he was unexpectedly rescued... by ''Diabla'', who assured him that she had saved him only so that ''she'' could kill him, as revenge for his killing of the humans of E.I.D.O.L.O.N., siccing Dead End on the yellow Autobot. Though Reeve was able to kill Malignus, his missile had already launched, and the three spies were unable to do anything about it — only becoming aware that the conflicted Diabla had already climbed aboard to defuse it too late to stop her. Momentarily throwing Dead End off balance by using a falling Sharkticon to crush the red Decepticon, Bumblebee was too focused on preventing Diabla from killing herself to notice the arrival of Blitzwing and Dead End, but a shout from Reeve caused Bee to duck, and Blitzwing's shot to blow Dead End apart. Grabbing his two human allies, Bumblebee leapt into the ocean as the disabled missile plummeted back into the castle, destroying it and all of its occupants.

In the aftermath, Bumblebee and his two human allies survived, but were unable to determine if Diabla had done the same. Bumblebee spied one of her tires, which led her to believe that his old friend had survived the battle. Ferrying his partners back to shore, the Autobot vowed to find her... and, if he couldn't find her, than to kill Blitzwing. Over the next twenty years, Bumblebee left his human friends behind to pursue his new mission, travelling across the globe and eventually dedicating himself to eliminating Blitzwing instead. Eventually, Bumblebee tracked Blitzwing down, and the pair prepared to do battle once more... {{storylink|From Cybertron with Love}}

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===Titan movie comics===
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Bumblebee was part of a mission to trick Megatron into looking in the wrong place for the AllSpark{{storylink|Movie Prequel issue 1|Reprint of Prequel #1}}, in which he was the only one who knew the truth (not even team leader [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] knew!) {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2|Recap in #2}} He lost his voice when Megatron crushed his vocal processor upon witnessing the launch of the AllSpark. The Decepticon leader immediately discarded his body and took off after the cube {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2|Prelude: Megatron}} and it was a long while before he was recovered. {{storylink|Transformers_Comic_issue_3#Items of note|Prelude: Ratchet}}

Rendered voiceless, he continued to fight on Cybertron and would encounter [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] when the two were about to be thrown into a Decepticon smelting pool. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.2|Dogfight!}} In 2003, he travelled to Earth while tracing the AllSpark and would spend years evading Decepticons and Sector 7 alike. {{storylink|Movie Prequel issue 3|Reprint of Prequel #3}} {{storylink|Movie Prequel issue 4|Reprint of Prequel #4}}

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Bumblebee and his fellow Autobots would ultimately follow the AllSpark to the planet Earth, where Bumblebee befriended the human Sam Witwicky. Some time after the battle of Mission City, Bumblebee was driven by the Witwickys to [[Princeton University|Sam's college]], where he quietly endured their bickering while scanning everything around him for potential threats. When he picked up radio transmissions from two new Autobots, he drove off into battle, and saved [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] from being slaughtered by [[Ransack (ROTF)|the Decepticon Ransack]]. But with the villain threatening a long game, Bumblebee knew that trouble was on the horizon. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.2|Dogfight!}} 'Bee brought Skids and Mudflap to meet with the other Autobots at [[Edwards Air Force Base]] in California, but no sooner had he turned his back than the pair snuck off to find Optimus Prime on their own, insisting they had a message for his ears only. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.3|Learning Curve}}

[[File:Titan2-6 aimedatyourheart.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.8|There's only room for ''one'' kid-appeal character...]]

Some time later, Bumblebee was hanging out in Sam's garage when he received an emergency call from NEST: the twins, having apparently fallen in with the Decepticons, had abducted Sam! 'Bee tore out of the garage, tracked down the twins, and demanded they stop immediately. When they didn't, he launched suppressive fire and began ramming Skids, which soon convinced them to release Sam. As Bumblebee held the twins at gunpoint, ready to eliminate if necessary, Mudflap's tried to explain that they hadd been framed and there was a bigger threat coming... but before 'Bee could hear any more, he was gunned down in a surprise attack from Soundwave. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.6|Outlaw Blues}} The "bigger threat" the twins had warned of soon arrived, in the form of The Fallen, but the Autobots were able to defeat the ancient Decepticon. Afterwards, back in the field in [[Beverly Hills]], Bumblebee was part of a unit assigned to captured [[Reverb (ROTF)|Reverb]]; Jolt messed the mission up, but Bumblebee saved the day by ''ramming'' the bike head-on. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.9|Culture Shock}}

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Later, with Lennox and his crew searching for [[Seeker (ROTF)|Seekers]], Bumblebee was left with only [[Robert Epps]] to investigate an attack on Malmstrom Air Force Base and the disappearance of Optimus Prime. Epps worked out that Optimus had been victim of an electromagnetic bomb, and Bumblebee tracked his leader to where he was being held (Poor Epps had to ride in Bumblebee jumping a ravine, and almost spewed up his breakfast). After locating Prime, they found he was a captive of the [[Free Men]] militia. At Epps command, Bumblebee hit the Free Men compound with his full firepower, swiftly defeating the militia. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.10| Bring Me the Head of Optimus Prime}}

[[File:Titan18 Bumblethumbsup.jpg|thumb|upright=1|It's true!]]

Bumblebee selected [[Death Valley]] as the site for a survival exercise for raw recruits Jolt, Dune Runner, and [[Rollbar (ROTF)|Rollbar]].{{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.11|Spare Parts!}} Later, he was summoned as back-up by NEST [[South Africa]] alongside [[Springer (ROTF)|Springer]] and Gears due to a Decepticon jailbreak led by [[Bludgeon (ROTF)|Bludgeon]], but Optimus ordered him to let the Decepticons leave to prevent civilian casualties. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.13|Inside Out!}}

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Ultimately, this failure left the Autobots' reputations in the toilet, and with concerns that public fights risked alienating humans, Bumblebee was tasked to head a covert unit with [[Slap Dash]] and [[Hubcap (TF 2010)|Hubcap]]. They were charged with operating under NEST's radar, monitoring Decepticons and waiting for windows of opportunity out of the public eye, before hitting hard and fast. In practice, this meant allowing Decepticons like [[Crankstart]], [[Brimstone (TF 2010)|Brimstone]], and [[Trenchmouth]] to run amok in cities, with Bumblebee restraining his desire to stop them and keeping his men from taking action. After an uncomfortable period of hoping nobody would be killed, the Decepticons went to an isolated stretch of road: now free to act, Bumblebee led his men in a vicious ambush and personally drove ''through'' Crankshaft. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.18|Shadow War}}

Information obtained from the Decepticon unit Bumblebee's covert squad had brought in allowed the Autobots to trace the location of Bludgeon's Decepticons' base to [[Arkhangelskaya Oblast]] in [[Russia]]. Regrettably, while strategizing together, Bumblebee and Ironhide made the mistake of dismissing Wheelie when he offered to help; insulted and angry, the little scrap drone sold the Autobots out to Bludgeon's Decepticons, who were able to ambush 'Bee and the Autobots when they moved to attacked their base, with Springer being shot out of the sky following an air strike by [[Skywarp (Movie)|Skywarp]] and [[Thrust (Movie)|Thrust]], Slap Dash being killed by Bludgeon, and Hubcap being subsequently killed/wounded as well. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.20|Divided Loyalties}} Fortunately for the Autobots, Megatron himself soon arrived and slew Bludgeon for his transgressions, meaning Bumblebee and the others did not have to battle the rogue Decepticon at all. In the wake of the two Decepticons' brawl, Bumblebee discovered the shattered remains of Wheelie, who had been torn to bits. Unaware of his treachery, 'Bee gathered up his parts to take back to Ratchet for repair... unaware that the cannibalistic Decepticon [[Dead End (ROTF)|Dead End]] was on his trail! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.21|A Short, Sharp Lesson!}}

Intrigued by the human ritual of "[[Christmas]]", Bumblebee convinced Sam to let him secretly observe the Witwicky family during the festive proceedings. Unfortunately, Dead End tracked the Autobot to the Witwickys' house and attacked on Christmas Eve, tearing bits of Bumblebee's mechanisms out to integrate into his own body. Luckily, 'Bee managed to shock the zombie-con into submission before their fight awoke Sam's parents, and he was even able to get into the gift-giving on Christmas morning, buying Judy Witwicky car wax. Sam's present was particularly timely: a new traction bearing to replace the one Dead End had torn out! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.19|The Nightmare Bee-4 Christmas}}

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When the Autobots were summoned to [[Fiesole Cathedral]] in [[Fiesole]], [[Italy]] to examine a mysterious object discovered there by an archaeology professor, Bumblebee accidentally smashed the cathedrals shrine to Saint Donatus. Determined to prevent the Autobots from getting ahold of the object—actually a piece of Sentinel Prime's ''Ark''—Starscream attacked the cathedral, blasting Bumblebee through a wall with a volley of missiles. Recovering, 'Bee joined Optimus Prime in pursuing Starscream to the cathedral's belltower, but the Decepticon then brought the tower down on top of them and escaped with the ''Ark'' component. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 3.1|Fight for Fiesole}}

At some point, Bumblebee uncovered some intel, pointing towards Soundwave working in conjunction with the [[Tanto Gang]], and passed on the information to Lennox. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 3.2|Gold And Blood}}

[[File:AcceptNoSubstitutes bumblebee vs stinger.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.5|Can ''you'' tell which is the real Bumblebee out of the guy who can talk and the one who can't?]]

Bumblebee was later teamed with Robert Epps to hunt down Soundwave in the Spanish [[Sierra Nevada]] mountain range, but NEST's intelligence regarding the Decepticons' operational status was flawed: Soundwave's weapons systems were in perfect working order, and Bumblebee was badly damaged by his attacks. Luckily, Optimus Prime arrived to save them. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 3.3|Dealing with the Devil}}

After the return of Sentinel Prime and the battle of Chicago, Bumblebee, Optimus Prime, and [[Crosshairs (AOE)|Crosshairs]] tracked three Decepticon survivors of the conflict to [[Jakarta]], [[Indonesia]]. When the Decepticons retreated and Crosshairs tracked them to [[Pulau Bidadari]], Bumblebee monitored the ranger and relayed the events to Optimus. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 5.2|Thousand Island Fight}}

Not long after, Bumblebee was shocked to see a news report claiming that he had attacked a human power plant. Though 'Bee was eager to hunt down his mysterious doppelgänger, Optimus Prime encouraged him to wait until he had the Autobot leader to back him up. The choice was soon taken out of Bumblebee's hands, however: responding to a fire at a remote human homestead, he was attacked by his mysterious duplicate, who introduced himself as "[[Stinger (AOE)|Stinger]]", and promptly welded 'Bee's battle mask shut so they would be totally indistinguishable from one another. Optimus Prime soon arrived and had to train his guns on the two identical Bumblebees... but the standoff was brief, as the real 'Bee revealed himself when he dived to save a human who had fallen from the burning building. Prime quickly sent Stinger packing, and he and Bumblebee rolled out together, wondering where Stinger had come from... {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 5.3|Accept No Substitutes!}}
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====Alternate timeline====

[[File:Titan MikaelaBumblebee.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|Why is he apologizing, you ask? Look where his left hand is.]]

In a parallel universe, the battle of Mission City turned out very differently—Megatron killed Sam, captured Optimus, and obtained the AllSpark. The Decepticons proceeded to conquer North America, and by the start of 2008, had begun a plan to cyberform the Earth using the AllSpark's energies. Bumblebee—his voice still functional—and Mikaela Banes went underground, working with [[Tom Banachek]] to fight a guerilla war against the Decepticons.

Considering Optimus their last, best hope for victory, Bumblebee and Mikaela went on a mission to rescue him from the old Sector Seven base in Hoover Dam, which the Decepticons were now using as their headquarters. Mikaela quickly shot down Bumblebee's concerns about her safety, though she ''did'' almost get squished when 'Bee took out the bunker guard Swindle. Entering, the pair quickly located Optimus, but in a most unexpected condition: frozen solid in the old cryo-system previously used to contain Megatron. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 9|Twilight's Last Gleaming, Part: 1}} Stalked by Megatron, Bumblebee kept the Decepticon leader busy while Mikaela attempt to deactivate the freezing system, {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 10|Twilight's Last Gleaming, Part: 2}} but was baited into revealing himself when the tyrant threatened to kill Mikaela. Bumblebee made a desperate attack, only to be beaten aside with ease, {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 11|Twilight's Last Gleaming, Part: 3}} but he remained defiant to the end and refused to beg for mercy. Luckily, Autobot reinforcements arrived; although even they were no match for Megatron, their added distraction provided Mikaela time to thaw out Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 12|Twilight's Last Gleaming, Part: 4}} While Prime and Megatron battled, Mikaela arrived with Phase Two of their plan: a Sector Seven nanovirus that targeted AllSpark energy. Loading the virus into himself, Bumblebee charged Megatron, forcibly transmitting the nano-virus into him via a light-beam from his headlights. The virus killed Megatron once and for all, but Bumblebee did not celebrate too loudly, as he knew too well that this just left a [[Starscream (Movie)|power vacuum]]... {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 13|Twilight's Last Gleaming, Part: 5}}

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Bumblebee and the Autobots [[Savannah]], [[Georgia]], to survey the damage done by the Decepticons' AllSpark cyberforming project. He took Mikaela to a nearby refugee camp, but as Optimus Prime had feared, the humans the were fearful of him, viewing all Cybertronians as an unwanted presence. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 14|Aftermath, Part 1}} In apparent further validation of this fear, the Autobots soon came under attack from a [[NATO]] unit while attempting to defend the camp from a Decepticon attack, but intel from Banachek suggested something was not right. Spotting the human in charge of the unit, Bumblebee and Mikaela ran a gauntlet of human and Decepticon firepower, blinding the former with his headlights and roasting the latter with his fiery exhaust, in order to get to the man. Having got in close enough, Bumblebee was able to detect a mind-controlling Decepticon [[cerebro-strip]] on the man, and Mikaela freed him from its effects, ending the conflict. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 15|Aftermath Part 2}} Following this battle, the Decepticons continued their attacks on human infrastructure; Bumblebee was part of a unit defending an oil pipeline in [[Crooked Creek]], [[Alaska]]. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 16|Dark Spark}}

[[File:ReturntoCybertronpt2 ironhide restrained.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|Leave it, mate, 'e's not worf it!]]

Bumblebee was part of a unit under Ironhide's command that was sent back to Cybertron in order to retrieve [[Nucleon (substance)|Nucleon]] in hopes it could be used to repair the damage inflicted upon the Earth by the AllSpark. Touching down on their homeworld, Bumblebee was sent on recon and discovered a strange satellite dish, but when the team investigated it, they were jumped by a team of Decepticons led by [[Stockade (Movie)|Stockade]]. The revelation that Stockade's "New Decepticons" were in control of the planet's Nucleon supply, followed by the appearance of a strange energy anomaly in Cybertron's orbit, {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 17|Return to Cybertron: Part 1}} convinced Bumblebee to try talking, rather than fighting; after convincing Ironhide to stop throwing his face at Stockade's fists, he learned from Stockade that the anomaly was a living entity the Decepticons had deliberately summoned, believing it would rejuvenate Cybertron. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 18|Return to Cybertron: Part 2}}

Not trusting this entity and wanting to stop all the Nucleon being used up, Bumblebee had the Autobots create a distraction while he turned the Nucleon transfer off, and sent a distress call to Optimus Prime on Earth. His efforts to prevent the arrival of the entity failed, and it revealed itself to be [[Unicron|Unicron, the Anti-Life]], as it began to possess Cybertron itself. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 18|Return to Cybertron: Part 2}} In the resulting chaos, Bumblebee had to rescue Ironhide when the satellite dish collapsed on him. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 19|Return to Cybertron: Part 3}} Optimus soon arrived in response to Bumblebee's summons, brokered an alliance with Stockade, and came up with a plan: Cut off the Nucleon that Unicron's body was using for power. Bumblebee and Armorhide were dispatched to drain the Nucleon seam, but were not able to siphon all of the fuel off fast enough, so Ratchet came up with a quicker alternative: blowing it up. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 20|Return to Cybertron: Part 4}}

[[File:Titan MikaelaBumblebeereunion.jpg|right|upright=1.4|thumb|OTP!]]

Upon returning to Earth, the Autobots found the Decepticons had pinched their base and all 600 square miles around it. They retreated, leaving Mikaela in Decepticon hands; Bumblebee was distraught over this. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 21|Hard Target}} He would be part of the raid to get her back, perfectly aware it was an obvious trap, but not caring due to how much they owed Mikaela. The raid was successful and the two were reunited, awwww! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 22|The Decepticon Who Haunted Himself}}

The pair's time together was short, as soon, the Decepticon-blackmailed American government ordering the Autobots off the planet. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 23|Revolution, Part 1}} Knowing that the Decepticons were behind, Optimus Prime had Bumblebee and Ironhide prepare a decoy ship; {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 25|Revolution Part 3}} the following day, after Bumblebee said his farewells to Mikaela (and beat up the Decepticon [[Dropkick (Movie)|Dropkick]] as an "up yours" gesture), the Decepticons had the ship blown up shortly after take off. [[File:Revolutionpt3 the end.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.8]] {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 23|Revolution, Part 1}} Believed dead, Bumblebee and the Autobots hid themselves on Cybertron, where they readied their final weapon against the Decepticons: a teleportation system that would trap the Decepticons on the dead planet, then teleport ''it'' off to the far reaches of the universe. When all was in readiness, the Autobots returned to Earth; Mikaela was ''not'' happy to find out they had not told her of their plan, but Bumblebee denied that it was because they didn't trust her—they had simply had to minimize any possible exposure. In the final battle that followed, Bumblebee tagged Megatron with the teleport tech, and the Decepticon leaders and his followers were soon exiled forever.

In the aftermath, after it became clear the Autobots had just exiled ''themselves'' to Earth forever—"Hey, there are worse fates," said Bumblebee—Mikaela forgave Bumblebee. Both had a lot of clean-up work to do, but also a brave new world to explore together...! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 25|Revolution, Part 3}}
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===Toy bios===

Bumblebee learned hand-to-hand combat at the most prestigious combat training center on Cybertron, where he received his converting energon blade as a reward for his skills. {{storylink|Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#WalmartRace|''Dark of the Moon'' Walmart-exclusive Bumblebee}} It was on the battlefields of Cybertron that Bumblebee first met the Decepticon Starscream, who he would meet again and again in combat. {{storylink|Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#BeeStarscream|Bumblebee/Starscream}} He also repeatedly crossed paths with fellow elite spy Decepticon [[Hardtop (Movie)|Hardtop]]; initially a professional rivalry, the relationship between the two 'bots slowly evolved into a personal vendetta that saw the pair battle across the galaxy. It was a crack shot by Hardtop that damaged Bumblebee's vocal processors, causing the Autobot pain when he tries to speak. {{storylink|Hardtop (Movie)#Transformers (2007)|Hardtop}}

Bumblebee was sent to Earth ahead of the other Autobot by Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#TF2007_76deluxe|Deluxe Bumblebee ('76 Camaro)}} Prior to his arrival on the planet, Bumblebee cared little for the appearance of his alternate mode, simply scanning the first vehicle he saw, {{storylink|Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#evoofhero|Evolution of a Hero}} but that changed upon befriending Sam Witicky. At the boy's urging, Bumblebee scanned a new Concept Camaro form, and came to appreciate how stylish he looked. {{storylink|Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#TF2007ConceptCamaro|Deluxe Bumblebee (Concept Camaro)}} His shiny new form was soon badly damaged, however, during the battle of Mission City—with his legs blown off, Bumblebee had to be towed to safety by the newborn [[Longarm (Movie)|Longarm]]. {{storylink|Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#TowedToSafety|Towed to Safety}}

When the AllSpark was destroyed, Bumblebee was briefly empowered by its radiation, and put the new power to use hunting down the straggling Decepticons. {{storylink|Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#AllSparkPower|AllSpark Power Bumblebee}} One such Decepticon was [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]], who he hunted across the [[Middle East]]. {{storylink|Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Allspark2pack|Bumblebee vs. Scorponok}} Then, with the initial threat over, Bumblebee decided to kick back and relax. Transcanning a rally car, he began hanging around at race tracks, pitting himself against the human racers. {{storylink|Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Fast Action Battlers|Rally Rocket Bumblebee}} Following this, he volunteered to be Sam's guardian. It was a pretty swank deal: he got to hang with Sam and Mikaela all the time, got lots of [[oil]], and could join Ironhide in killing Decepticons whenever he wanted. {{storylink|Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#ROTFdeluxe|''Revenge of the Fallen'' Bumblebee}} Peacetime afforded him the luxury of becoming meticulous about his alternate mode; he even had Ratchet learn a little about the cosmetic side of repair work. {{storylink|Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Premium|Premium Series Bumblebee}}

In time, Bumblebee came to realize that with pictures of him all over the internet, ''everyone'' recognised him... including newly arriving Decepticons, which put Sam and others in danger! With Mikaela's help, Bumblebee recoloured himself to help restore his disguise and make it easier to sneak up on the enemy. {{storylink|Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#TF2007Stealth|Stealth Bumblebee}} With the Decepticon forces constantly growing, he also decided to upgrade his arsenal and modified his vehicle mode so he could use weaponry in it, deciding he'd been caught off guard too many times before. {{storylink|Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Cannon|Cannon Bumblebee}} When the battle shifted to the deserts, he threw himself into the fray, upgrading himself for desert combat and wielding the mighty ''sand blast''! {{storylink|Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#SandAttack|Sand Attack Bumblebee}}

Following the defeat of The Fallen, Bumblebee returned to active NEST duty, hunting down the Decepticons hiding across Earth; Sam even began joining him in the field. {{storylink|Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#ROTFHumanAlliance|Human Alliance Bumblebee}} Discovering that [[Dirge (Movie)|Dirge]] had secreted himself inside NEST itself, Bumblebee teamed with [[Armorhide (Movie)#ROTFdlx|Armorhide]] to ferret him out. {{storylink|Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Alliance|Alliance Bumblebee}} He had particular dislike for [[Shadow Striker (ROTF)|Shadow Striker]], who really got under his metal skin. {{storylink|Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#LegendsVsShadowStriker|Bumblebee vs Shadow Striker}} He later took on Soundwave, {{storylink|Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#VsSoundwave|Battlefield Bumblebee vs Infiltration Soundwave}} and brought his battle blade to bear in combat with Ravage and [[Insecticon (Movie)|Insecticon]]. {{storylink|Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#BattleBlade|Battle Blade Bumblebee}} His experience fighting fliers also meant that he was fully equipped to deal with [[Thrust (Movie)|Thrust]] {{storylink|Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#CrashLandingAttack|Crash Landing Attack}} and [[Grindor (ROTF)|Grindor]]. {{storylink|Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#BombingRunBattle|Bombing Run Battle}}

Bumblebee was the first Autobot try out the new [[MechTech]] weapons developed by NEST, {{storylink|Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#DOTM|''Dark of the Moon'' Leader Bumblebee}} and also began toting a Mobile Battle Bunker around. {{storylink|Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#CyberverseActionSet|Bumblebee Mobile Battle Bunker}} Like several other Transformers, he took to inscribing [[Cyberglyphics]] on his armor before significant battles, out of a superstitious racial belief that they granted good luck. {{storylink|Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Cyberglyph|"Cyberglyph" Bumblebee}} When Soundwave reappeared on Earth, Bumblebee put a plan together to take care of him once and for all. {{storylink|Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#|BeeSoundwaveRodimus|Bumblebee/Soundwave}} Together with Sam and [[Backfire (TF 2010)|Backfire]], he formed the Autobot Daredevil Squad {{storylink|Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Daredevil|Autobot Daredevil Squad}} and battled Shockwave alongside Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#StreetsideBotBrawl|Streetside Bot Brawl}}

===''Mini Mayhem!''===
In a celebration of the Transformers brand, Bumblebee showed up as the representative for the “Movie” era of the franchise. {{storylink|Mini Mayhem!}}

===Cyber Missions===
{{voiceactor|[[Tom Anderson]], [[David Kledzik]], [[Tony Gialluca II]], [[Bronco D. Jackson]] (English)|[[José Antonio Macías]] (Latin American-Spanish), [[Alexandre Moreno]] (Brazilian Portuguese)}}

[[File:CyberMissions1 bumblebee datatrax lockdown.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.5]]

Some time after the defeat of The Fallen, Bumblebee and Ironhide were reviewing some [[datatrax]] that Optimus Prime had made for preservation in [[Vector Sigma]] when they detected an explosion outside their base. Bumblebee remained to lock down the most important data tracks while Ironhide went to investigate [[Bludgeon (ROTF)|the cause]] of the explosion. However, that turned out to be just what the Decepticons wanted, as moments later, Soundwave burst into the base, overwhelming Bumblebee with a sonic attack. Bumblebee attempted to counter with a shot from his shoulder cannon, but Soundwave absorbed the sonic boom and sent the acoustic energy back at him, bragging about his mastery of sound. Bumblebee decided to put his sonic skills to the absolute test, and unleashed a barrage of automatic weaponsfire at the Decepticon. At ten thousand rounds per minute, Soundwave was faced with too many sonic booms to absorb, and was soon flat on his back. {{storylink|Cyber Missions 1}} [[File:CyberMissions8 bumblebee in the arctic.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.5]] Bumblebee enclosed the defeated Soundwave in an electromagnetically sealed bubble, cut off from all sound. {{storylink|Cyber Missions 2}}

Ironhide, meanwhile, had gone missing in the jungle; Bumblebee reported the problem to Optimus, who had 'Bee perform a scan of the area. Bumblebee discovered several rich deposits of [[energon]] ore, which Prime pinpoint Ironhide's location. {{storylink|Cyber Missions 5}} Reunited, Bumblebee and Ironhide went on a training exercise in the Arctic, where the bigger 'bot put 'Bee through his paces. As Bumblebee was frequently singled out as a target by the Decepticons because of his small size, Ironhide taught him the importance of staying on guard and being mindful of his surroundings. As the pair sparred, Bumblebee learned another benefit of being aware of everything around him when Ironhide stopped their fight after they nearly crushed a strange little plant growing through the ice... a plant, Ironhide implied, that could well be sentient. {{storylink|Cyber Missions 8}}

[[File:CyberMissions9 Bumblebee.JPG|upright=1.5|thumb|BUUU!]]

When Decepticons [[Smolder]] and [[Chopster]] set fire to a building [[Scramble City (city)|Scramble City]], Bumblebee and Ratchet were dispatched to the scene by Optimus Prime. A menacing look from Bumblebee sent the diminutive Chopster running off in terror; 'Bee called after him to tell Smolder they would "like a word", hoping they could perhaps talk the situation out rather than fight, but Smolder wasn't interested. Bumblebee grappled with the pyromaniac Decepticon while Ratchet powered up his EMP blaster, which he then used to knock Smolder offline. {{storylink|Cyber Missions 9}}

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Optimus reported finding Megatron and Starscream in the Arctic regions of Earth, and Bumblebee was summoned to aid his leader in battle alongside Ironhide, Ratchet and Sideswipe. Leaving Megatron to handle Prime, Starscream attacked all the Autobots at once, but the combined fire of the four heroes was enough to ground the Decepticon. {{storylink|Cyber Missions 12}}

Optimus later laid a trap to lure the Decepticons to a final confrontation with a hologram of Soundwave, and Megatron indeed walked right into it. Bumblebee, Ironhide, and Ratchet arrived to join the battle, and in the ensuing fight, Bumblebee took on Mindwipe. The Decepticon tried to hypnotize Bumblebee into not fighting, but Bumblebee blocked out his voice and kept up the attack. An army of humans soon arrived and surrounded the combatants, and the day went to the Autobots. Optimus instructed the Decepticons to leave Earth to be destroyed, and after they had fled, Bumblebee stamped a huge Autobot symbol in the dirt, a marker visible from far away that let all Decepticons who saw it know that the Autobots protected the planet. {{storylink|Decepticons Attack}}
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===Transformers Annual 2011===
Bumblebee charged to Sam's defense when Starscream tried to abduct the boy, but proved no match for the Decepticon, and was flung around the yard. As Starscream started making off with Sam, Bumblebee made another attempt to stop him, and was brushed aside. Luckily Optimus arrived to help, and Starscream soon fled, but the Witwicky's yard was in ruins. {{storylink|Sam in Danger}}

===''Unite for the Universe''===
[[File:UnitefortheUniverse bumblebee vs ravage.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.6]]
During NEST's ongoing worldwide hunt for the Decepticons after the defeat of The Fallen, Bumblebee paid a visit to NEST's regional headquarters in [[Bloemfontein]], [[South Africa]]. As he entered the facility, Decepticon spy Ravage was able to quickly sneak through the closing door behind him, but Bumblebee spotted him in his rear-view mirror and quickly went on the attack. When Ravage pounced on him, Bumblebee triggered his headlights, blinding the feline Decepticon and sending him fleeing, leaving Bumblebee confused as to the point of the infiltration... unaware that an airborne nano-virus Ravage had carried with him had already picked NEST's computers clean of information regarding [[Project: Unite]]. {{storylink|Unite for the Universe issue 1|Ambition Instigated}}
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===''I Can Read!'' books===
[[File:BumblebeeandSideswipe-TrainingDay.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1]]
Bumblebee met up with Optimus, Ironhide and Sideswipe in a desert to train. He raced Sideswipe, only for their training to be interrupted by a large boulder tumbling towards a nearby town. The two Autobots destroyed the boulder before resuming their race. They met back up with Optimus and Ironhide afterwards, and Optimus revealed the they had encountered a "natural disaster" as well. The source of the disturbances soon revealed itself to be Megatron and Starscream tunneling underground. Though the two Decepticons attempted to ambush the Autobots, Bumblebee and the others were able to send them running thanks to the training they had gone through that day. {{storylink|Training Day (book)|Training Day}}

Bumblebee and Sideswipe had a nasty run-in with the Decepticons, leaving Bumblebee pinned under a massive metal bar. Thankfully, Ratchet came to their rescue, and repaired them both. Bumblebee later helped the Autobots defeat the Decepticons in Egypt. {{storylink|Ratchet to the Rescue}}

[[File:BeeandWheeliehighfive-BuddyBrawl.jpeg|thumb|right|upright=1.1]]
Bumblebee was out for a drive with Wheelie, Sam and Mikaela one day when Starscream swooped down and began to attack them! Bumblebee suggested to Wheelie that they gun for Starscream's wings to defeat the Decepticon. Wheelie disagreed, saying that they had to outsmart Starscream to defeat him. The two Autobots began to argue, becoming oblivious to Starscream attacking their human companions. Thankfully, Optimus Prime showed up to knock out Starscream. Optimus then chastised Bumblebee and Wheelie for allowing their feelings get in the way of protecting Sam and Mikaela. Bumblebee realized he was in the wrong, but was still too worked up to make his apologies to Wheelie. Instead, he stormed off. But he didn't get far before Starscream regained consciousness and resumed his attack. Optimus ordered Bumblebee to work with Wheelie to stop Starscream. The pair managed to do so by outwitting Starscream and destroying his wings, making the Decepticon crash into a nearby tunnel and crippling his flying abilities. With Starscream down, Bumblebee and the rest of the group celebrated another victory over the Decepticons. {{storylink|Buddy Brawl}}
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===''Hunt for the Decepticons'' storybooks===
[[File:AutobotsthankSam-SatelliteMeltdown.jpeg|thumb|left|upright=1.1]]
Sam witnessed the Decepticons [[Buzzsaw (ROTF)|Buzzsaw]] and [[Ratbat (ROTF)|Ratbat]] tear up a human city, while Soundwave declared that the Autobots had abandoned the humans. Refusing to believe the Decepticon's lies, Sam and Bumblebee set out to find Optimus Prime and the rest of the Autobots. It turned out that the Autobots had been tricked by Soundwave to go to the wrong location when they rolled out to engage the Decepticons. Sam and Bumblebee led Optimus and his troops to the scene of the conflict, where Optimus quickly dispatched the Decepticons. Afterwards, Optimus thanked for Sam's part in the day's events, while Bumblebee and the rest of the Autobots cheered. {{storylink|Satellite Meltdown}}

===''Spot the 'Bots''===
Bumblebee helped Optimus chase down Megatron to an old warehouse. There, Bumblebee duked it out with Starscream. The battle between the Autobots and Decepticons that ensued would decide the fate of the Earth! {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Spot the 'Bots}}
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===''How to Ride your Dinobot''===
====Cartoon====
[[File:Htryd-chapter-1-bumblebee-yikes.jpg|left|upright=1.6|thumb|I'VE CHANGED INTO WILE E. COYOTE.]]
Bumblebee had never ridden a [[Dinobot (AOE)|Dinobot]] before, and decided to start by trying to mount [[Strafe (AOE)|Strafe]]. Guided by a kind but astonishingly unhelpful narrator, Bumblebee's attempts to mount Strafe left something to be desired. After many failed efforts, Bumblebee simply destroyed the instruction manual to riding Dinobots before storming off in annoyance, much to the narrator's surprise.
{{storylink|How to Ride Your Dinobot Chapter 1: Getting on a Dinobot|Getting on a Dinobot}}
[[File:HowtoRide bumblebee and strafe.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.4]]
====Comic====

When Optimus Prime asked the Autobots to accompany him into the depths of a Chinese forest, Bumblebee was sure that their objective was important... but he never expected that the Autobot leader was taking them to learn the fine art of Dinobot riding! When Hound's tough-talking approach failed to win the Dinobots' hearts, 'Bee tried a kinder, gentler method, offering the Dinos a little snack. This worked a bit ''too'' well, and he would have been crushed when the Dinobots mobbed him to get the goodies had Strafe not lifted him into the air. Bumblebee pushed his luck when he climbed onto the flying Dinobot's back, however, and Strafe promptly threw him back to the ground. Subsequently, when Grimlock caught the scent of Decepticons nearby, Strafe and the other Dinobots relented and allowed Bumblebee and the Autobots to saddle up so they could all ride out to face the villains together. {{Storylink|How to Ride a Dinobot!}}
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===Yokohama Decepticon Secret Base===

[[File:YokohamaBase bumblebee.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4]]
Bumblebee was hanging out at the [[Transformers Expo]] in [[Yokohama]] when [[Yokohama Convoy|Nemesis Prime]] came crashing into the building. The evil Prime initially mistook Bumblebee for a cosplayer, only to realize that the little yellow Autobot was the real deal when he attacked him alongside the two versions of Optimus Prime also visiting the show. Nemesis soon got himself some backup in the form of a ''second'' [[Nemesis Prime (AOE)|Nemesis Prime]] and [[Nemesis Grimlock]], but before they could all do much more than glare at each other, the combined energies of the AllSpark, the Matrix of Leadership and the [[seed]]—all on display at the Expo, because why not—suddenly began reacting with the [[Dark Energon]] within the first Nemesis Prime. This was all part of a complicated plot by [[Unicron]], but fortunately, Nemesis resisted the dark urges within himself, and channeled all the Dark Energon into the stickers his creator [[Doctor Arkeville]] had used to make him evil. Nemesis ripped the stickers off and hurled them into the air, where all the Autobots and Decepticons—and even the Expo's human attendees, using their cell phones—blasted them and stopped the chain reaction.

All together, pretty odd. {{storylink|Yokohama Decepticon Secret Base}}
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===''Cheetos/Age of Extinction'' comic===
[[File:CheetosAOE bumblebee.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.2]]
Discovering that the Decepticons were increasing their strength through artifacts from the [[Cheetos (galaxy)|Cheetos galaxy]], Bumblebee and the Autobots recruited [[you]]r help to acquire the power-enhancing objects. {{storylink|Cheetos/Transformers: Age of Extinction}}
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===''Q-Transformers''===
{{voiceactor|[[Ryōhei Kimura]] (Japanese)}}
[[File:QTransformers the cast.jpg|left|thumb|upright=2]]
In this world, Bumblebee, Optimus Prime, and Lockdown were aware that they were toys: specifically, ''Q-Transformers'', a new line of cute-looking ''Transformers'' merchandise produced to tie-in with the 30th anniversary of the [[Transformers brand|''Transformers'' brand]]. Bumblebee occasionally changed his look to one more reminiscent of [[Bumblebee (G1)|his Generation 1 counterpart]], but his "default" form was that of a toy based on his ''Age of Extinction'' look. They hung out at different famous service areas on Japanese expressways, and talked about the ''[[Transformers: Mystery of Convoy|Mystery of Convoy]]'' video game, and the remake produced as a tie-in with their toyline, ''[[Q-Transformers: Mystery of Convoy Returns (mobile game)|Mystery of Convoy Returns]]''.

[[File:QTransformers1 Lockdown's bishonen fantasy.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.8|Bumblebee suddenly realized, much to his horror, that he was trapped in an anime high school AU.]]

Discussing the ins and outs of their cute designs, Optimus and his pals explained that they were created for the purpose of appealing to non-Transformers fans. Bumblebee suggested that another way to tap that market would be to create "Zodiac Transformers", based on all the different animals of the Chinese zodiac, but Lockdown had a different idea: a humanized Transformers "Boys Love" romance, where he and Optimus competed for Bumblebee's affection. Bumblebee was not impressed. {{storylink|Mystery of the 30th Anniversary Merchandise}} The trio went on to talk about the original ''Mystery of Convoy'', and Bumblebee got a telling-off from Optimus when he pointed out that it was a famously terribly game. Discussing traits that they thought made games bad, Bumblebee suggested that an RPG already completed when you started would be pretty awful. {{storylink|Mystery of Reliably Crappy Games}} When Lockdown suggested that re-releasing such a terrible game was like rubbing salt in a wound, Bumblebee didn't understand the expression. Optimus explained, and they all tried to come up with situations the phrase was applicable to; taking it a bit too far, Bumblebee suggested getting pooped on by bird, then looking up to discover that a meteor was about to crash into the Earth. {{storylink|Mystery of Smearing Salt in the Open Wound}} The group then talked about the rubbish stage bosses in ''Mystery of Convoy'', particularly the [[Destron Mark|floating Decepticon insignia]], and wondered what sort of fictional scenarios it could be used in. {{storylink|Mystery of the Stage Bosses}}

[[File:QTF bumblebee explorer.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.8]]

Prime and company began being joined by their friends to discuss facets of the game. [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] participated in a talk about the differences between the original and the remake, {{storylink|Mystery of the Wittily Similar Circumstances}} while [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] highlighted the tonal "gap" between the cute character designs and the very ''un''-cute action in the game. Everyone tried to think of examples of similar "gaps": Bumblebee suggested a handsome young man cooking a nice meal... for his mother. {{storylink|Mystery of the Gap of Unpopular Men}} [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] and [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] joined them to talk about classic terrible games, which turned into a discussion about adventure and exploring, and the comforts an explorer might like to have with them on such a journey—Bumblebee thought a nice pillow would be just the thing. {{storylink|Mystery of a Certain Explorer}} [[Bluestreak (G1)|Bluestreak]] and [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]] also talked about some famously awful old games, segueing into a discussion about psychokinetic powers; Bumblebee was concerned about the potential of such powers to interfere with television. {{storylink|Mystery of a Certain Psychic}}

When [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] came along to share his thoughts on points of commonality among famously awful games, the group talked about the technical advancements of video games, with Bumblebee mentioning motion-control. {{storylink|Mystery of Game Balance}} [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] also had some opinions on the common themes of bad games, but Bumblebee and Optimus's willingness to settle for less frustrated Lockdown. {{storylink|Mystery of the Lowest Possible Standards}}

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Bumblebee had changed his look when [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] dropped in, to one resembling his Generation 1 self but with a Daihatsu Copen alternate mode. They talked about the constantly changing looks of Transformers through history, and how Bumblebee used to be called "Bumble" in Japan. {{storylink|Mystery of Convoy}} Still sporting his Daihatsu Copen form, Bumblebee dropped in on a conversation between [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], the star of ''Mystery of Convoy''. He told them how Optimus and Lockdown would argue over the crappy's games merits—but to be reminded of the games shortcomings only sent Magnus into floods of shameful tears. {{storylink|Mystery of Mystery of Convoy}}

When [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] turned up to join the argument over just how bad ''Mystery of Convoy'' was, Optimus quickly switched bodies, taking on the form of [[Optimus Prime (G1)|his Generation 1 self]]; seeing this, Bumblebee also switched from his ''Age of Extinction'' form to his Daihatsu Copen body. They argued back and forth for a bit, discussing other ways the game could have been remade using staples of Japanese media, and Bumblebee proposed a "sports day"-style version. {{storylink|Mystery of Return of Convoy}}

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===''Legends'' comic===
In the [[Legends World]], Bumblebee was just a fictional character featured in a series of popular movies and toylines. When [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] turned into [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]] and tried to revert the world back to how it was in the '80s, Rattrap attempted to stop him by singing the praises of modern-day Transformers, including the ''Q-Transformers'' incarnation of Bumblebee. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 5|Bonus Edition Vol. 5}}

Bumblebee had a big presence at the ''Q-Transformers'' event held at the Decks Tokyo Beach shopping center which Rattrap, [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] and [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] attended, including a standee, a statue, an exclusive sticker, and even a themed "Bumblebee Mango" drink. At the neighboring Joypolis amusement park, his voice actor Ryōhei Kimura attended a Q&A! {{storylink|Deckss × Q-Transformers Collaboration Event Report|Deckss × Q-Transformers}}
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===Ask Vector Prime===
In [[Tyran 511.0 Kappa]], Bumblebee survived [[Cemetery Wind]]'s massacre and joined Optimus Prime along with fellow Autobot survivors [[Bulkhead (DOTM)|Bulkhead]] and [[Backtrack (Movie)|Backtrack]] as well as the desperate Decepticons [[Axor|Axel]] and [[Wild Rider]]. Initially skeptical of the Decepticons, the Autobots learned to appreciate Wild Rider, but Axel tried and failed to betray them to Lockdown. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/09/16}}

===Bee's Backtalk===
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With [[Vector Prime]] still missing in action, Bumblebee became the fourth guest contributor to Vector Prime's [[Ask Vector Prime|column]]. He renamed the column to "Bee's Backtalk", answering questions from readers through patched-together audioclips.

Bumblebee gave us some more details about the state of the Autobots and their allies following the Chicago crisis. When asked about the fate of Sam following the rise of Cemetery Wind, Bumblebee became upset, and declined to comment. He noted that the Autobots were still searching for any more survivors of Cemetery Wind. A comment about the workmanship of KSI's Stinger units was enough to make him hopping mad, although he immediately apologized for his behavior. When someone asked Bumblebee why things in the [[Tyran|Tyran Cluster]] are prone to exploding, he suddenly found himself in the middle of a battleground as everything around him exploded. The Axiom Nexus News team lost contact with him (disappointing the editor, who was pleased that Bumblebee was able to stabilize ratings). As Andromeda was the one who found Bumblebee, she was tasked with finding his replacement: someone who, in contrast to Bumblebee's cryptic radio answers, could speak their mind in a straightforward manner.

[[Cy-Kill (GoBots)|And look how ''that'' turned out]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Bee's Backtalk|Bee's Backtalk}}

===''Mission to Cybertron'' comic===
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==Commercial appearances==
*Both Optimus and Bumblebee could be seen driving around the [[Speed Stars]] logo in vehicle mode. {{storylink|Commercial#Speed Stars|Speed Stars commercials}}
*Bumblebee was resting in vehicle in Al's Chevrolet car dealership, getting caught on tape while the dealership's owner filmed a commercial. The place's squirrel mascot playfully bashed Bumblebee's hood with a foam hammer, provoking Bumblebee into transforming and tossing him away. Bumblebee then sped away in a huff. {{storylink|Commercial/Dark of the Moon#Chevy|Dark of the Moon Super Bowl XLV Chevrolet Camaro TV Spot}}
*Bumblebee joined Optimus Prime on the road as part of the "[[Win A Ride To School With The Autobots]]" contest. {{storylink|Commercial/Dark of the Moon#Win A Ride|Win A Ride To School With The Autobots contest and commercial}}
*Bumblebee dazzled a group of Valero patrons by showing up at the gas station in his vehicle mode and... popping his fuel filler flap. {{storylink|Commercial/Age of Extinction#Valero|Age of Extinction Valero tie-in commercial}}
*While driving about town, Bumblebee crossed paths with a little boy in possession of a Mega 1-Step Bumblebee toy. Impressed by his miniature likeness, he paused to admire it, then gave the boy a fist bump. {{storylink|Commercial/Age of Extinction#Flip and Change|1-Step Optimus Prime & Flip and Change Grimlock toy commercial}}

==Games==
{{main|Bumblebee (Movie)/games}}

==Toys==
{{main|Bumblebee (Movie)/toys}}

==Merchandise==
{{main|Bumblebee (Movie)/merchandise}}

==''Second Life''==
In the online virtual world simulation/game ''Second Life'', there was a full replica of the Sector Seven base which contained a giant discussion room where Michael Bay held a question board. This room contained a giant frozen Megatron replica and free avatars of both Bumblebee and Barricade. Both freebies were non-transforming. Also, the Bumblebee avatar had his battle mask down and it could not be raised.

==Notes==
===Classic Camaro===
*According to an article on [http://web.archive.org/web/20071013122820/http://edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=121138?imw=Y Edmunds.com], the film makers wanted Bumblebee's original Earth form to be the 1976 iteration of the Camaro because it was the worst Camaro possible that also had chrome bumpers.
*The same article indicates that the 1976 Camaros used in the film were all purchased via online auction for under $6000 each, one for less than $2000. That one didn't run.
*One of the 1976 Camaros was sold on eBay. The bidding ended on July 18, 2007; the final price was $40,100.01.

===Modern Camaro===
*The 2008 Concept Camaro used for Bumblebee in the first movie was built by Saleen in 30 days, using a heavily modified 2006 Holden Monaro chassis as the basis. The '08 Camaro was not in production at the time that the first film was being made, hence an identical mock-up was needed to fill the role.<ref>[http://www.saleen.com/transformers.htm Saleen article about the construction of the Barricade and Bumblebee vehicles]</ref>
*In ''[[Transformers (film)|Transformers]]'', Bumblebee scans a working, driveable new generation Camaro — conveniently with the same paint job as his classic Camaro disguise at that time — that wouldn't be released until some time in the year 2009. However, it is possible that the Camaro in question was being road-tested by GM engineers, like they were doing in the real world.
*Although unexplained in the films, Bumblebee's vehicle mode changes appearance subtly between ''[[Transformers (film)|Transformers]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''. This is probably because of product placement: Bumblebee's old [[alternate mode]] was an unavailable concept Camaro, while in ''Revenge'' he uses what seems to be the new Z/28 Camaro... whose mass production has since been canceled. Oops. However, it is perfectly reasonable to assume that it is the Camaro ZL1 that uses the same design.
*He changes models again between ''Revenge of the Fallen'' and ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]'' and becomes a production Camaro SS (rather than the previous two movies GTO-Based mock-ups); the movie prop car changes include the addition of a rear spoiler, the black racing stripes now being further apart while at the same time losing the outer pinstripes, the racing stripes now also covering the roof and Autobot badges in the front fenders.

===Robot mode and CG model(s)===
[[File:MovieBumblebeeStinger.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|He uses it once, then dies.]]

*The Bumblebee computer-generated model consisted of 7608 individual parts, 1,511,727 polygons, 19,722 rig nodes, and 8094 texture maps. The volume of all the pieces came to 1069.01 cubic feet.<ref>Robertson, Barbara (2007). Heavy Metal. ''Computer Graphics, 30''(7), 12-17.</ref>
*Bumblebee's character animation is based on the performance of {{w|Michael J. Fox}} in the ''{{w|Back to the Future}}'' movies.<ref>From ''Cinefex'' magazine, issue number 111, published October 2007.</ref>
[[File:ROTFBumblebeeAltColorsConcept.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|But will we ever '''get''' an orange Bumblebee? No, we'll just keep getting slightly different yellow ones.]]
*Bumblebee is equipped with a pair of arm-mounted electrical "[[Stinger (weapon)|stingers]]."<ref>Bumblebee's [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/Battle-Bios.cfm Battle Bio] at Hasbro.com</ref> While designed, the stingers were ultimately not featured in the movies, though they may have influenced [[Bumblebee (Animated)|other media]].
*Speaking of weapons, for someone whose main job is being subtle, Bumblebee is quite well armed, with a cannon powerful enough to rattle [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]] and a ring-shaped light missile launcher in each shoulder. He is also a capable close-combat fighter, as seen in his fights against [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]], [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]], [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]], and [[Stinger (AOE)|Stinger]].
*Despite this, he has a [[Fireblast]] rating of ''three''.
*According to designer [[Paul Ozzimo]] on his website, at one point there were plans to make Bumblebee into a Z/28 convertible for ''Revenge of the Fallen'', and the possibility of changing his color to orange or black with yellow was also discussed. While none of these alterations happened, concept art for both appeared on the "25 Years of Transformers" feature on the ''Revenge'' DVD... though the black version is only seen from behind.
*Bumblebee stands approximately 16 feet tall, according to the [[Transformers The Game|official game]] strategy guide.
*In 2011, Bumblebee appeared in a Super Bowl XLV-related commercial, parodying car dealers by tossing a squirrel mascot knocking his hood to literally hammer the point of low prices. The TV spot also revealed ILM's modifications to his design for ''Dark of the Moon'', namely more pronounced shoulders and ribs ala his [[Bumblebee (WFC)|''Prime'' counterpart]].<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RttT4jC7_10&feature=player_embedded Chevrolet Super Bowl spot]</ref>
*Despite his Camaro alternate mode used for ''Dark of the Moon'' no longer sporting the outer pinstripes bordering his black racing stripes, the CG robot model still has them. Whoops.
*Similarly, in the first movie, after he gains the modern Camaro alt mode, Bumblebee's robot mode still features the scratches and dirt on his paint job of his original 1976 Camaro alt mode.
*In ''Age of Extinction'', Bumblebee's concept Camaro robot model sports a death-lock pincer similar to that of ''Revenge of the Fallen'''s Megatron.
*Bumblebee's arm cannon in ''The Last Knight'' undergoes a slight visual tweak. Using his original trilogy's cannon design, the main barrel has a narrow barrel as the main firearm.
*In a profile image posted by the Movie series' Facebook page, Bumblebee is depicted to retain his battle mask from his ''Age of Extinction'' body, while the final cut features his original battle mask seen in the first 3 films.
*Meanwhile, although Bumblebee transforms into a regular, unarmored Mercedes-Benz cabriolet in ''The Last Knight'''s World War II flashback sequence, his robot-mode kibble is that of a {{w|Humber Scout Car|Humber Scout Car}}, and his ''[[Studio Series]]'' toy based on the scene is yet ''another'' Humber model, specifically a {{w|Humber Light Reconnaissance Car}}.
*The design for Bumblebee's Volkswagen body in ''Bumblebee'' draws heavily influence from his Generation 1 [[Bumblebee (G1)|namesake]].

===License plates===
Bumblebee sported several different [[license plate]]s between the movies, the video games and the toys:

*'''489 PCE''', registered in [[California]], was the 1976 Camaro's license plate in the first movie, which was kept consistent between the car prop and the CG model for the robot mode. The license plate was later auctioned off in 2008.<ref name="plate1">[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/movie-bumblebees-license-plate-for-sale/12255/ Movie Bumblebee (1976 Camaro edition) license plate for sale], Seibertron.com, January 2008.</ref>
*'''900 STRA''', without a state-specific registration, was the new license plate for the Concept Camaro car prop, which was kept for the production models used for all three subsequent movies. It was also used when the modern Camaro prop cars from the movies were on display at car shows and other events. Finally achieving consistency between both modes, Bumblebee also sported this plate in robot mode in ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]''. Furthermore, Hasbro started to use this license plate number with the Leader Class Bumblebee and Deluxe Class Nitro Bumblebee toys from the [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|''Dark of the Moon'' toy line]] (both sporting ''sculpted'' license plate inscriptions in both modes), and the [[Activision]] [[Dark of the Moon (video games)|''Dark of the Moon'' video game]] also uses it for the vehicle mode. The license plate used in ''Revenge of the Fallen'' was auctioned off in October 2009.<ref name="2009auct">[http://www.icollector.com/Hero-Bumblebee-license-plate-from-Transformers-Revenge-of-the-Fallen_i8633011 ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Bumblebee license plate auction], icollector.com</ref> In ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction]]'', he even uses this license plate in his 1967 Camaro disguise, and still keeps it when he upgrades to his new 2014 Camaro concept form.
*'''4NZZ454''', registered in California, is probably the most well-known license plate number due to being used on the CG model for the robot mode in the 2007 movie and ''Revenge of the Fallen''.<ref name="proctercg">[http://www.benprocter.com/storage/oldersites/sitev2/html/PROJPAGE_Trans_06.html Official Hasbro promo shots of the finalized CG model for Bumblebee] on Ben Procter's portfolio</ref> This number number was also used for a lot of Hasbro's toys from the first two movies' toy lines (in robot mode and often also in vehicle mode), including the Deluxe Class Classic Camaro.
*'''4NZZZ454''', with a red line indicative of a California registration, was an erroneous version of the above number with an extra "Z", used on some of Hasbro's toys, namely the Deluxe Class Concept Camaro Bumblebee toy from the [[Transformers (2007 toyline)|first movie's toy line]] (including several [[redeco]]s and [[retool]]s) and ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' [[Human Alliance]] Bumblebee.
*'''5LKZ213''' can be spotted on some photos of the life-sized robot prop from the Hoover Dam set from the first movie.<ref name="procterprop">[http://www.benprocter.com/storage/oldersites/sitev2/html/ZOOM_Trans/ZOOM_24.html Life-sized Bumblebee prop] on Ben Procter's portfolio</ref><ref name="unicubb">[http://www.unicron.us/tf2007/toypix/ultimate_bumblebee.html Review of Ultimate Bumblebee] at Unicron.com, including a set photo of the life-sized Bumblebee prop used for the movies.</ref>
*'''BUMBLBE''', registered in California, was used for the life-sized robot prop on various exhibits in 2007.<ref name="premiere">[http://www.flickr.com/photos/bob_karol/archives/date-taken/2007/06/27/ Transformers Movie premiere in Westwood Village, California], Flickr photostream of Candid Photos</ref><ref name="18foot">[http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/pictures-18-foot-bumblebee-transformer-invades-la "18 Foot Bumblebee Transformers invade LA"] at Techeblog</ref>
*'''FXPERTS''' (registered in California), a reference to the special effects company that built the life-sized robot prop,<ref name="fxperts">[http://www.fxpertsinc.com/trans.html Building the life-sized Bumblebee prop] at Fxperts</ref> was used on various exhibits in 2008.<ref name="dolby">[http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/ces-2008-giant-bumblebee-transformer-invades-the-dolby-booth "CES 2008: Giant BumbleBee Transformer Invades the Dolby Booth"] at Techeblog</ref><ref name="holloman08">[http://www.flickr.com/photos/61043118@N00/archives/date-taken/2008/09/22/ Transformers on display at Holloman Air Force Base in September 2008], Flickr photostream of snakebite000.</ref>
*'''KDM 0814''', registered in California, was used for the life-sized robot prop on various exhibits from 2009 to at least 2011.<ref name="sydney">[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/movie-bumblebee-prop-appears-in-sydney-australia/17305/ Life-sized Bumblebee prop in Sydney, Australia] at Seibertron.com</ref><ref name="vegas">[http://www.flickr.com/photos/deltamike/archives/date-taken/2009/03/30/ Transformers on display at the Las Vegas Strip], Flickr photostream of Mike Renlund</ref><ref name="childmuseum">[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=77515 "Bumblebee coming to the Children's Museum of Indianapolis"] at The Allspark, March 2011</ref> A variant of this, "KDM 814" minus the "0", had been previously used as the license plate of [[The Twins]]' combined ice cream truck mode in ''Revenge of the Fallen''.
*'''5BBM2''' (registered in California), mirrored on the other side, is used by Activision for the robot models used in the ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (video games)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' and ''[[Dark of the Moon (video games)|Dark of the Moon]]'' video games.<ref name="nextgen">[http://www.nextgn.com/2009/05/15/transformers-2-playable-characters-and-soundtrack-revealed/ ''Revenge of the Fallen'' video game models] at Next Gen News</ref><ref name="actidotm">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/video-games-17/transformers-dark-of-the-moon-the-game-hands-on-171673/ Activision trailer and promo stills for Dark of the Moon video game] at TFW2005.</ref> Due to its partially mirrored nature, this plate wouldn't actually be legal.
*'''4N7 454''' (registered in California), another erroneous variant of the robot mode license plate from the first two films, was seen on a hand-painted prototype used for early official stock photos of the ''Masterpiece Movie Series'' Bumblebee figure.<ref name="mpmsbb">[http://news.tfw2005.com/2017/01/10/shadow-spark-optimus-masterpiece-movie-bumblebee-official-images-330837 "Shadow Spark Optimus and Masterpiece Movie Bumblebee Official Images"] at TFW2005.com.</ref> Samples on display at both Hong Kong Toys & Games Fair 2017 and [[Toy Fair|New York Toy Fair]] 2017, on the other hand, sported a regular "900 STRA" license plate.
*'''ANZZ454''', ''another'' erroneous variant of the robot mode license plate from the first two films that mistakes the first "4" for the letter "A", was used for the redeco of ''Transformers'' (2007) Deluxe Class Classic Camaro Bumblebee from the ''[[Transformers Tribute]]'' [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Tribute|Bumblebee Evolution 3-Pack]].

===Lack of voice===
*For [[Transformers (film)|the first movie]], [[Paramount Pictures|Paramount]] had originally preferred the Transformers not to talk ''at all'' throughout the movie, a notion Hasbro heavily contested.<ref name="tfwtour">[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/139273-botcon-2007-botcon-2007-hasbro-tour-updated-friday-12-45pm.html BotCon 2007 Hasbro tour report.]</ref> Bumblebee still ended up being mute throughout most of the movie, which, according to Orci and Kurtzman, was inspired by [[Steven Spielberg]]'s ''{{w|E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial|E.T.}}'' and is supposed to signify that his friendship with Sam transcends words.<ref name="mtv">[http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1554426/20070312/story.jhtml MTV.com interview with Kurtzman and Orci.]</ref>
*According to the [[Movie Prequel issue 1|prequel comic]] by IDW Publishing, Megatron ripped out and crushed Bumblebee's voice capacitor during the battle at [[Tyger Pax]] back on Cybertron. [[Hardtop (Movie)|Hardtop]]'s toy bio claims the damage came from a shot fired by Hardtop. In the film itself, Ratchet only states to Sam that Bumblebee's "vocal processors were damaged in battle" and he was "still working on them". The [[Transformers: Bumblebee Movie Prequel|''Bumblebee'' prequel comic]] shows Bee talking, implying that the most canon explanation of his loss of voice occurred during the events of ''Bumblebee''.
*By the end of all the conflict (the climax of the first film proper), Bumblebee has regained his ability to speak. Although it was not confirmed on-screen, screenwriter [[Roberto Orci]] did confirm ''off''-screen<ref name="Orci"/> that Ratchet's (regenerative) beam fired at Bee's throat was indeed the reason. Just as well, Roberto Orci ''also'' admitted that Bumblebee's brief contact with the AllSpark would be an equally valid (and an even more "in-continuity") explanation.<ref name="Orci"/>
*When asked, Orci admitted there had been plans to have Bumblebee speak in ''Revenge of the Fallen''; however, ultimately they liked his "musical ability" too much, and [[Michael Bay]] wanted to focus more on [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]], since he thought kids would like the two characters.<ref name="orci">[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/180451-welcome-mr-roberto-orci-you-may-ask-him-questions-283.html#post3785383 Q&A with Roberto Orci at TFW2005]</ref>
*When Bumblebee finally did speak in the first movie, he had a slightly British accent. However, in ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight]]'', it appears he in fact has an ''American'' accent. As of yet, no explanation for this discrepancy has been made.
*In most foreign-language dubs, namely Japanese, French, and Spanish, Bumblebee is dubbed over by only one voice actor. This choice has been criticized for creating an obvious contradiction (If his voice box was damaged, how can he talk perfectly?"). However, in others, such as Hindi, Tamil, and Telugu, Bee is voiced my multiple uncredited voice actors, and all of their voices have certain audio effects. That's some good respect to the source material.

===Arrival on Earth===
*While the 2007 movie never states how long Bumblebee has been on Earth, all the prequel materials (in particular IDW's comic books) establish that he arrived only a few years prior to the movie's present day events. This was never explicitly contradicted by any other media until ''The Last Knight'' suddenly established that he had been active on Earth as early as [[World War II]], fighting on the side of the Allies alongside [[Hot Rod (DOTM)|Hot Rod]] and several other Autobots. ''Bumblebee'' has thus far officially been confirmed as taking place in 1987, so we can safely assume at this point that all the prequel materials are by now to be considered null and void... or maybe there is a live-action counterpart to [[Centurion (IDW)|Centurion]] running around.

===Other===
*Bumblebee is the only member of the original five Autobots to have appeared in all five ''Transformers'' films without dying.
*Bumblebee is a big fan of Earth cartoons! Some of his favourites include ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]]'', ''{{w|Ren and Stimpy}}'', ''{{w|Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law}}'', ''{{w|Futurama}}'', ''{{w|Voltron}}'', and ''{{w|Rick and Morty}}'', as noted in [[Ask Vector Prime]].
*Bumblebee's ability in ''The Last Knight'' to blow himself apart and magnetically reassemble himself came seemingly out of nowhere; with no explanation, having never demonstrated this ability before, and with no mention of this ability at any point in any other media whatsoever. The closest thing to an in-universe explanation for this ability would be that he was somehow able to mimic (for the purposes of repairs and as a battle strategy) a similar ability shown by the man-made KSI drones in ''Age of Extinction'' to disintegrate and re-materialize for the purposes of repairs and transformation (but even that's a ''huge'' stretch).
*According to artist [[Andrew Griffith]], Bumblebee's alternate mode in the [[Transformers: Bumblebee Movie Prequel|''Bumblebee'' prequel comic]] is a mixture of an {{w|Aston Martin}} and a {{w|Volkswagen Karmann Ghia|Karmann Ghia}}. <ref>[https://twitter.com/glovestudios/status/1014997829775917059 Andrew Griffith on Twitter]</ref>

===Foreign names===
*''Czech:'' '''Čmelák (first movie only) (Bumblebee)
*''Japanese:'' '''Bumblebee''' (バンブルビー ''Banburubī'')
*''Korean:'' '''Bumblebee''' (범블비 ''Beombeulbi'')
*''Cantonese:'' '''Daai Wong Fung''' (大黃蜂, "Bumblebee")
*''Hungarian:'' '''Űrdongó''' ("Space Bumblebee")
*''Mandarin:'' '''Dàhuángfēng''' (Taiwan, 大黃蜂, "Bumblebee"), '''Dàhuángfēng''' (China, 大黄蜂, "Bumblebee")
*''Spanish:'' '''Abejorro''' ("Bumblebee")
*''Ukrainian:'' '''Bdzhilka''' (Бджілка, "Bee")

==See also==
{{OtherVersions
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|disambig=Bumblebee (disambiguation)
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*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], the plucky yellow [[kid-appeal character]] from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]], the hothead yellow kid-appeal character from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]].''
*[[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]], the yellow kid-appeal character turned leader from the [[Aligned continuity family]].
*[[Bumblebee (Cyberverse)|Bumblebee]], the amnesiac yellow kid-appeal character from ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (franchise)|Transformers: Cyberverse]].''}}

==References==
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==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/Bumblebee/bumblebee.htm Bumblebee at TFU.info]
*[http://www.seibertron.com/toys/index.php?f_series=40&f_name=bumblebee&f_type=exact&Submit=Search Galleries of various different Bumblebee toys from the Movie]

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Video games

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Bluestreak7: /* Generation 1 games */

[[File:MarvelUS-24.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|But I can't die!... I pressed up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, start!]]
With a brand as large as [[Transformers brand|''Transformers'']], it is surprising how few '''video games''' have been produced for it. Until the obligatory [[Live-action film series|live action movie]] tie-in software deluge in 2007, Transformers video games were largely limited to the [[Japan]]ese market.

==Generation 1 games==
*''[[The Transformers (Commodore 64)|The Transformers]]'' (Commodore 64, Sinclair Spectrum)
*''[[The Transformers: Battle to Save the Earth]]'' (Commodore 64)
*''[[Transformers: Mystery of Convoy]]'' ([[Family Computer|Famicom]])
*''[[Transformers: The Headmasters (video game)|Transformers: The Headmasters]]'' (Famicom Disk System)
*''[[The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers]]'' (PS2)
*''[[Transformers G1: Awakening]]'' (mobile phone, Android, iOS)
*''[[Transformers Battle Universe]]''
*''[[Transformers Legends (mobile game)|Transformers Legends]]'' (Android, iOS)
*''[[Transformers Rising]]'' (Android, iOS)
*''[[Transformers: Battle Tactics]]'' (Android, iOS)
*''[[Q-Transformers: Mystery of Convoy Returns (mobile game)|Q-Transformers: Mystery of Convoy Returns]]'' (Android, iOS)
*''[[Transformers Ultimate Allstars]]'' (Android, iOS)
*''[[Transformers: Devastation]]'' (PC, PS3, PS4, Xbox One, [[Xbox 360]])
*''[[Transformers: Frontiers]]'' (Android, iOS)
*''[[Transformers Operation Omega]]'' (Android, iOS, iPad)
*''[[Transformers: Earth Wars]]'' (Android, iOS)
*''[[Transformers: Forged to Fight]]'' (Android, iOS)

===''Generation 2''===
*''[[Transformers: Generation 2 Handheld Game]]'' (Handheld)

===Beast Era===
*''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (video game)|Beast Wars: Transformers]]'' (PC, [[PlayStation|PS]])
*[[Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle|''Ketō Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Senshi Saikyō Ketteisen'']] (GBC)
*''[[Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals (PS)|Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals]]'' (PS)
*''[[Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals (N64)|Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals]]'' (N64)
*''[[Transformers Battle Universe]]''

==Unicron Trilogy games==
===''Armada''===
*''[[Transformers (PS2)|Transformers]]'' (PS2)
===''Cybertron''===
*''[[Transformers Cybertron: Quest for Cybertron|Quest for Cybertron]]'' (ION — Unreleased)

==Movie games==
*''[[Transformers The Game (console)|Transformers The Game]]'' (PS2, PS3, 360, Wii, PC)
*''[[Transformers The Game (PSP)|Transformers The Game]]'' (PSP)
*''[[Transformers (Glu)|Transformers]]'' (mobile phone)
*''[[Transformers Autobots/Decepticons]]'' (NDS)
*''[[Transformers Electronic Handheld Game]]'' (Handheld)
*''[[Transformers: Human Alliance]]''
*''[[Transformers Battle Universe]]''

===''Revenge of the Fallen''===
*''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)|Transformers Revenge of the Fallen]]'' (360, PS3, PC)
*''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Wii/PS2)|Transformers Revenge of the Fallen]]'' (Wii, PS2)
*''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (PSP)|Transformers Revenge of the Fallen]]'' (PSP)
*''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen: Autobots/Decepticons|Transformers Revenge of the Fallen Autobots/Decepticons]]'' (NDS)
*''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Glu)|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]'' (mobile phone)

===''Dark of the Moon''===
*''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (Xbox 360/PS3)|Transformers Dark of the Moon]]'' (360, PS3)
*''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon: Stealth Force Edition]]'' (Wii/3DS)
*''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon: Autobots/Decepticons]]'' (NDS)
*''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (mobile game)|Transformers: Dark of the Moon]]'' (iOS)
*''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (Glu)|Transformers: Dark of the Moon]]'' (mobile phone)
*''[[Defend the Earth]]'' (iOS)
*''[[Transformers: Battle Zone]]'' (Android)

===''Age of Extinction''===
*Half of ''[[Hasbro Arcade]]'' (Android, iOS)
*Half of ''[[Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark (console)|Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark]]'' (360, Xbox One, PS3, PS4, [[Wii U]], PC)
*Half of ''[[Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark (3DS)|Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark]]'' (3DS)
*''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (mobile game)|Transformers: Age of Extinction]]'' (Android, iOS)

==''Animated'' games==
*''[[Transformers Battle Universe]]''
*''[[Transformers Animated: The Game]]'' (NDS)

==Aligned games==
===''War for Cybertron''===
*''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (360/PS3/PC)|Transformers: War for Cybertron]]'' (360, PS3, PC)
*''[[Transformers: Cybertron Adventures]]'' (Wii)
*''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (DS)|Transformers: War for Cybertron — Autobots/Decepticons]]'' (NDS)
*''[[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron]]'' (360, PS3, PC)
*Half of ''[[Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark (console)|Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark]]'' (360, Xbox One, PS3, PS4, Wii U, PC)
*Half of ''[[Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark (3DS)|Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark]]'' (3DS)

===''Prime''===
*''[[Transformers: Prime - The Game]]'' (Wii, Wii U, NDS, 3DS)
*Half of ''[[Hasbro Arcade]]'' (Android, iOS)
*''[[Transformers Prime: Story Cube]]'' (Android)
*''[[TransformersCards]]'' (Android)

===''Rescue Bots''===
*''[[Race to the Rescue]]'' (Handheld)
*''[[Beam Box|Transformers: Rescue Bots Beam Box]]'' (Self-Contained Plug-And-Play System)
*''[[Sky Forest Rescue]]'' (Android, iOS)
*''[[Dino Island]]'' (Android, iOS)
*''[[Rescue Bots: Hero Adventures]]'' (iOS)

===''Robots in Disguise'' (2015)===
*''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (mobile game)|Transformers: Robots in Disguise]]'' (Android, iOS)
*''[[Nestlé Arcade]]'' (Android, iOS)
*''[[McPlay]]'' (Android)
*''[[Bike Ride X Transformers: Adventure]]'' (Nintendo 3DS)
*''[[Robots in Disguise: Autobots Unite]]'' (Apple TV)

==''Construct-Bots''==
*''[[Transformers: Construct-Bots (mobile game)|Transformers: Construct-Bots]]''

==''Battle Masters''==
*''[[Transformers: Battle Masters (mobile game)|Transformers: Battle Masters]]

==''Angry Birds''==
*''[[Angry Birds Transformers (mobile game)|Angry Birds Transformers]]''

==Online games==
:''For further information, see: [[Online game]]s''

==Other==
Though not a ''Transformers'' game, the [[Hudson Soft]] GameCube and PlayStation 2 game ''[[DreamMix TV World Fighters]]'', only released in Japan, features Transformers as both playable characters and cameos. Due to characters from at least two different companies being involved, legal entanglement makes it highly unlikely that the game will ever leave the country.

In the '90s, a game based on ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|Generation 2]]'' was in development for the Super Nintendo console, but the project was dropped. It has been rumored that this project then evolved into the SuperFX enabled game ''{{w|Vortex (video game)|Vortex}}''. This is supported by both games being made by {{w|Argonaut Games|Argonaut Software}}, the fact that the game involved a polygon-based transforming robot, and the timing of the release. However, Michael Wong-Powell, programmer of ''Vortex'', told British magazine ''{{w|Retro Gamer}}'' in 2015 that ''Vortex'' and ''Transformers: Generation 2'' were developed as separate games by Argonaut, with the ''Transformers'' game ultimately being cancelled.<ref>"The Making of: Vortex". Retro Gamer (147): 38–41. October 2015.</ref>

''[[Transformers Battle Universe]]'' for the Net Jet features characters from the ''Generation 1'', ''Beast Wars'', ''Movie'', and ''Animated'' franchises, belonging to all four instead of any particular one.

The [[Nintendo]] [[Wii U]] game ''[[Splatoon]]'' briefly featured a promotional tie-in with ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|Robots in Disguise]]'' in North America.

==Fiction==
===''The Transformers'' cartoon===
[[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]] met [[Carly]] in [[Robots Video Arcade]] while Bumblebee was playing ''[[Robot Resource]]''. {{storylink|The Immobilizer}}

===Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics===
[[Ethan Zachary]] enjoyed playing ''[[Multi-World]]'' on his [[Energy Futures Industries|employer's]] computer after hours. When [[Decepticon]]s and [[Autobot]]s showed up to fight over the [[hydrothermocline]], Zachary proposed settling their differences by playing a game of ''Multi-World''. [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] won by cheating, so [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] agreed to allow himself to be destroyed, per the initial agreement. {{storylink|Afterdeath!}}

Later, Zachary allowed Optimus Prime's personality (which was backed-up on a [[floppy disk]]) to exist as a character in the game [[Hyper-Fax]]. {{storylink|Pretender to the Throne!}}

===''Animated''===
[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]], [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]], and [[Sari Sumdac (Animated)|Sari Sumdac]] enjoyed playing video games. {{stub}}

When [[Wasp]] was disgused as Bumblebee, Bulkhead proposed using a game of ''[[Ninja Gladiator]]'' to reveal the true Bumblebee. {{storylink|Where Is Thy Sting?}}

===''Transformers'' film===
An [[Xbox 360]] console, which is designed to allow [[human]]s to play video games, was turned into a [[Xbox 360 robot|robot]] by the [[AllSpark]]. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}}

===''Prime''===
[[Jack Darby|Jack]], [[Miko Nakadai|Miko]], [[Raf Esquivel|Raf]], and [[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]] enjoyed playing a [[generic racing game]]. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 3}} {{storylink|Scrapheap (episode)|Scrapheap}}

==Footnotes==
<references/>

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Bluestreak7: /* "Fictional" and "real" categories */

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== "Fictional" and "real" categories ==
I think we need to come up with a consistent way to distinguish categories of things that are real and categories of things that have appeared in fiction. So far, we've skimmed the issue by using synonyms, such as [[:Category:Companies|companies]] and "Category:Businesses|businesses", but that doesn't really work for things like [[:Category:Magazines|magazines]], which is already used for real magazines. Currently, we have "Category:Fictional books", [[:Category:Fictional video games]] that consider the fictional entities "different". On the other hand, we have [[:Category:Real-world events by day]] and [[:Category:Real world films]]. We focus more on the fictional aspect of Transformers, so it makes sense to not point out the fictionality in categories, but "real world" sounds awkward to some. Which one should we use? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:26, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:I thought I'd cheat and see how some of the other fictional Wikis deal with the problem. Three different approaches I saw:
:*[http://tardis.wikia.com/ Doctor Who wiki] has a [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Real_world "Real World" category] for real world stuff and in most cases the categories for real world things are at "Real world X".
:*[http://wookiepedia.org/ Wookiepedia] goes the parenthetical route, with "Books" and "Books (real-world)". Though they also have one or two like "Real world companies".
:*[http://stargate.wikia.com/ Stargate wiki] has "Books" versus "Stargate books" for real world books.
:I kinda like the parenthetical approach that Wookiepedia have taken. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:11, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::I'd favor pointing out the status of both categories, just to make absolutely clear what they are for. The words can be "Fictional" and "Real-world" (I notice both real-world categories use a different spelling. Whichever it's gonna be (if), only one spelling should be used). "Nonfictional" kinda works as an alternative, would "Real-world" be disliked. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 04:35, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::If we go that route, I think "real-world" should be used, since "real world" is a lot more easier to fix than the other parsing. I like the Wookiepedia approach, but I'm not sure that's enough to change how we already do categories. The idea to label both categories sounds nice, but "Fictional X" seems incongruous with unlabeled categories, such as "weapons", "technology", etc.; considering that our main focus is the fiction, I'm leaning towards only labeling the real stuff. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:02, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::::I think it would be advantageous to put a {{tl|disambig2}} at the top, so people could easily go from the fictional to the real world category too. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:30, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::Yeah, I think I put that on [[:Category:Films]] a while ago. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:57, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::::Speaking of this, I found we handle [[:Category:Films]] like [[:Category:Real people]], wouldn't this be some, um, confusing? It's just, somehow, reverse? (Except for the fictional films like ''Honoji'') According to the logic of how we handle [[:Category:Real people]], shouldn't we place films like ''40-Year-Old Virgin'' or ''Godzilla'' in the [[:Category:Real world films]]? --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 23:04, 6 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::::Godzilla doesn't go in "Real world films" because it's not a real world ''Transformers'' film. The Transformers is implied in that category name. Presumably we could have a "Real films" category for Godzilla, etc, but I'm not sure it's worth doing. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:53, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::We shouldn't use "fictional X" for two reasons. One, there things like [[As the Kitchen Sinks]] that are fictional even within the fictional Transformers universe. Second, the wiki is written in-universe by default and putting [[Big Steve's Used Cars]] in a "fictional businesses" category would kind of break that. Within Transformers fiction, "Big Steve's Used Cars" is not a fictional company, but "As the Kitchen Sinks" is a fictional TV show. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:47, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::::In-universe, As the Kitchen Sinks is not a fictional show. It depicts fictional events and fictional people, yes, but the show itself, as a piece of entertainment, is not fictional. I do get your point, as we actually have things like [[Frankenstein]] that are two layers of fiction removed from us. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:18, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::::Yes, of course. I meant, in-universe, ''As the Kitchen Sinks'' is a work of fiction, whereas "Big Steve's Used Cars" is a real business that sells real used cars to real people. Have I been saying it wrong all this time? Wasn't ''Buck Rogers'' a fictional TV show? Anyway, it sounds like you got my point. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:14, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::::::Or, judging by the fact categories like "Magazines" in used for magazines in our real life and "Companies" for companies in real life, why not just use "Film" for films (such as DOTM) in real life, while we move current contents in "Films" to "Films in ''Transformers'' fictions"? --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 23:04, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::::::That seems like it would go counter to some of our existing naming schemes. e.g. if we split that out into films by franchise, you'd get "Films in Generation 1" rather than "Generation 1 films". Though admittedly the former title might have the advantage that it's clearer in meaning. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:50, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::::::::I think both are equally ambiguous in their meaning. If we still need to clarify the purpose of the categories, we can always spell it out in the category's introduction. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:03, 7 September 2011 (EDT)

== "Transformers: " ==
We talked a bit about adding back "Transformers: " to the titles of articles [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive51#When_to_omit_.22Transformers.22_from_an_article_title|previously]], and the general sentiment was that people were for it or didn't have an issue with it. Does anybody else have any input in this matter? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:34, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:I'm okay with this change, but I do have three questions on execution. 1.) Whether or not "Transformers" is followed by a colon seems random in our current system. How will that be handled? 2.) If "Transformers(:)" is going to be added to every relevant page name, then what about all the extra words in the titles of Japanese stuff? 3.) What conseuqneces will this have for categories, lists, storylinks, etc? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 04:41, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::#I think we've had two consistent rules about that: If the title is some kind of phrase, like "Transformers United", "The Transformers Collection", or "Transformers Animated", then we don't use the colon. If the title is some kind of obvious "title: subtitle" setup ("Transformers: Armada", "Transformers: Prime"), then we use the colon. There's some borderline examples, but I think we can figure them out one by one. Official sources will help with determining colon-status. The other rule seems to apply to only games: If the title has another subtitle, then the first colon is dropped (ex. [[Transformers Prime: Terrorcon Defense]]). I dunno why, but we can add back the colon, I suppose.
::#I guess we add them? We could argue it for ''Victory'', since it was released in English contexts as just "Transformers: Victory".
::#I think we're just going to continue the same in relation to those. The articles will still be sorted by their subtitles in categories. Storylinks I could go either way on, but I think the trend is to drop the main title. I've been doing that for the AAII storylinks to avoid excessively long links. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 12:49, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::::I don't see how "Transformers United" and "Transformers Animated" are any different from "Transformers: Prime". To me, all three could fall into either of your groups (phrase vs subtitle) and would prefer colons in all of those cases. Of your examples, only "The Transformers Collection" seems to really belong in the "phrase" group. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:22, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::"United" and "Animated" are adjectives that modify "Transformers" and have official sources that omit the colon. "Transformers Prime" doesn't make sense in that way. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:58, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::::I am not certain about those two "rules" for colons either. They're rather vague and bound to cause arguments and confusion. It needs to be made more obvious whether a colon should be used or not before "Transformers" can be added everywhere (a help page on the matter would also be handy in the future, me thinks).

::::I think that if we would put the cartoon at ''Transformers: Victory'', that would cause confusion with the manga, storypages, toyline and franchises, none of which were ever brought over and should thus not be named such. If moved, the ''Victory'' cartoon should best go to its Japanese name. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:28, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>shrug* The first rule is mostly there for Transformers Animated, which people will be resistant to moving to have a colon (plus, obvious cases like The Transformers Collection). The second rule I really don't care about and can be tossed (it mostly only concerns the movie series of video games and online games). [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:04, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::Are you suggesting there that Victory articles should be moved to "Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory"? I'd disagree with that, if so! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:25, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::Why? We can't go around writing out the full names of Western franchises and stuff but not do so for the Japanese stuff. We already have "Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers" written out for the 1985 & 1986 Japanese franchises, so why not ''Victory''? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 07:30, 10 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Victory (the cartoon) has been released in the West as "Transformers: Victory", to me that means that the official English name of the franchise ''is'' Transformers: Victory. Yes, we should give the full Japanese title at the beginning of the franchise page but there is no reason to move anything to that name. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:35, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::::That was pretty much my reasoning too (also typing out the full name every time we wanted to link to it would be tedious). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:59, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::::::Tying out "(franchise)" every time for everything is more tedious, but we still have it (for... some reason). Ditto long titles like [[The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers]] and [[Transformers Vault]]'s previous ridiculously long title.
:::::::::But I guess the general principle of "Transformers: " is acceptable to most. I'll start moving the noncontroversial pages (Western comics and cartoons with definite subtitles, etc.) if there's no opposition in the next few hours. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:08, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::::::Is there a difference between [[Transformers, Beast Wars: The Gathering]] and [[Transformers: Beast Wars: The Ascending]]? I must admit, the comma/colon distinction seems kinda arbitrary. Also, these page names seem kind of overlong and stupid, what's wrong with [[Transformers: Beast Wars: The Ascending|The Ascending]] and [[Transformers, Beast Wars: The Gathering|The Gathering]]? It's a Transformers wiki and those are Beast Wars series; prefixing everything we possibly can with "Transformers" is only going to clog up the search box and make editing just that bit more arduous. What were the arguments in favour of this again? --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 16:21, 12 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::::::::That's the formatting used in the indicia. Your complaint about the search box is silly; did you really think typing "Transformers" into it yielded anything useful 99% of the time?
:::::::::::Like it or not, "Transformers: " is the part of the name of many things, and the hoops we have to go through to maintain this silly system of dropping it from article titles has gotten ridiculous and inconsistent. Adding "Transformers: " to article titles, on the other hand, adds ''clarity'' and avoids pointless disambiguation. "The Transformers: Bumblebee" is preferable to "Bumblebee (comic)", "Transformers: Sector 7" to "Sector 7 (comic)", etc. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:44, 12 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::::::::I get that it's useful in some cases, but it just seems like applying the rule across the board means we're overcomplicating the issue. Occam's razor has a lot going for it, and for user-friendliness I'd go for brevity. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 17:11, 12 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::::::::Also on an Occam's razor tip, "Bumblebee (comic)" conveys more information in fewer characters than "Transformers: Bumblebee". I really don't understand why the latter is preferable. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 14:06, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::::::::::There's something to say for either argument, but as it is, we have proven to be unable to keep to one consistent "Transformers"-as-part-of-the-title policy at least since TFA. And if trying to keep "Transformers" out of the deal doesn't work, we oughta give the alternative a chance. I don't think it necesarilly makes it harder to find anything, as the search box reacts to words even if they are not the first part of a page title. And I want to have the changes in clear perspective before I might suggest deleting a few redirects, so at least for now, searches won't be any harder and we have a consistent policy. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 14:49, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

I gotta say, I'm hating how this is working in practice. Article titles seem long and ugly to me.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:46, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

:I feel the same, but it seems to be an necessary evil because "Transformers: ***" is a full title? duh. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 22:45, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

::I fear the day someone decides to add full titles to disambiguation suffixes as well, e.g. "Optimus Prime (Transformers Animated)", "Grindor (Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen)" etc.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 13:43, 15 September 2011 (EDT)

:::That would be silly, and I'm pretty sure most people would oppose it. Putting "Transformers:" in names is a change we'd already been drifting towards for a while with, for instance, the War for Cybertron articles all doing it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:32, 15 September 2011 (EDT)

::::On a related note, it's a pet peeve of mine when a writeup talks about a specific medium related to a franchise but links to the franchise as a whole instead, such as "Jetfire was released as part of wave 1 of the [[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]] toyline" or "in episode 6 of the [[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon]] cartoon...".--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 17:29, 15 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::Would the best solution there be something like "Jetfire was released as part of wave 1 of the [[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]] [[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|toyline]]"? --[[Special:Contributions/77.99.176.103|77.99.176.103]] 03:32, 29 September 2011 (EDT) (oops, emvee not logged in)
::::::I think linking to the toyline page is sufficent. There's no need for an additional link to the corresponding umbrella franchise. The thought behind this is: "If Joe McRandom sees something that interests him and clicks a link, does he want the link to take him straight to the specific topic or to a more general overview?" I think link targets should always be as specific as necessary. If someone gets interested in a broader overview, he can always go one level up. After all, a link referring to G1 Optimus Prime leads to [[Optimus Prime (G1)]], not to [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)]], either. In the same fashion, toyline pages should deeplink to the specific toy entries on the respective characters' pages (or even their toy pages, if applicable). Like, if Joe McRandom is on the [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe (2008 toyline)]] page, sees a "Prowl" toy listed under "Deluxe Class" and wants to read more about that toy, he wants the "Prowl" link to take him straight to [[Prowl (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)]], not to the [[Prowl (G1)|main character page]] where he then has to scroll down to "toys", see that G1 Prowl toys have their separate page, go ''there'', ''then'' scroll down to "Universe (2008)". (It currently links to [[Prowl (G1)/toys]], which is at least halfway there.) I will fix this wherever I see it, and implement it when doing writeups.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 08:11, 13 October 2011 (EDT)

===Suggestion to creating templates===

Do we need some kinds of templates when typing contents for convenience? For my experience in Terminator Wiki, we use templates like <nowiki>{{T3}} for ''[[Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]]'' or {{TSCC}} for ''[[Terminator: The Sarah Connnor Chronicles]]''</nowiki>. What I'm suggesting is that after we make all franchise names into full title (and we don't use redirect links), it is some how trouble some when typing the title. So we can make some templates like:
<pre>
{{tf|Armada}} -> ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Transformers: Armada]]''

{{tf|Armada|toyline|Pokeformer}} -> ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Pokeformer]]''

{{jptf|bwn}} -> ''[[Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Neo]]''

</pre>

If there is any user who can created complex template, we could make

<pre>
{{tf|armada|t}} -> ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Transformers: Armada]]''

parameter 1:
2010 = Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010 (toyline)
thm = Transformers: The Headmasters (toyline)
mf = Transformers: Super-God Masterforce (toyline)
v = Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory
z = Transformers: Zone
roc = Transformers: Return of Convoy
oc = Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Operation Combination
armada = Transformers Armada
bwn = Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Neo
mov = Movie
rotf = Revenge of the Fallen
tfa = Transformers Animated
...and (blah blah)

parameter 2:
*default* - franchise
t - toyline
ct - cartoon
co - comic
m - manga
f - film

And, if possible:
if parameter 3 = s (for example), it will become short title like ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Armada]]''

</pre>

--'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:42, 24 September 2011 (EDT)

:It's something I've thought about as well. Considering there are a lot of exceptions to the regular naming system (parts of franchises that are called something different or franchises that lack the (franchise) identifier on the wiki because it's not necessary to disambiguate it), I don't think a template can be coded to put a link together. A full list system like our TFtoon templates have could maybe work though. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:08, 25 September 2011 (EDT)
::I think with the number of franchises we have, it would end up being a hellishly big template and difficult to maintain for only a minor gain. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:03, 25 September 2011 (EDT)

==="Fight! Super Robot Lifeform" Transformers===
With the insertion of this phrase into the Victory page titles, should it also be inserted into the titles of The Headmasters, Super-God Masterforce, and Zone? now while the immediate answer would be "No", there are some places that do include this text above the "Toransufōmā" text in each of these series's logos. An example of this would the [[Transformers Tapestry]] (which even includes it in the Operation combination logo as well) and the [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Image:Columbia_Zone_DVD.jpg Columbia DVD of Zone]. Its inclusion in these places seems more than mere coincidence, so would we take this idea into consideration? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 14:33, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
:Um, that ''Zone'' DVD does not support your assertion. All of the ''actual'' media for those series (except for the Zone manga and story pages) do not include The "Fight!..." portion. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:58, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
::Technically the whole toyline in Japan from 1985 to 1992 was called "Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers" (as was written on the boxes), so at least the toyline pages for the series of those years would probably need the longer title than just "Transformers: ''X'' (toyline)" --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 16:04, 25 October 2011 (EDT)
:::So you want to move the toyline pages to some made-up name? Pick one: 1) Merge all of the toyline pages to "Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)" 2) Leave the toyline pages as they are instead of stressing over naming things that technically don't exist. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:23, 25 October 2011 (EDT)
::::How is it "made up"? "Tatakae! Chō Robot Seimeitai" means "Fight! Super Robot Lifeform" and is written above the "Toransufōmā" text on the packages of the 1985-1992 Japanese toys. I'm not proposing we merge all those toyline pages together, but rather something akin to the [[Transformers: Beast Wars (Japanese toyline)|Japanese Beast Wars toyline]] page, in which the individual toylines are kept separate even though they were all collectively the same-named toyline. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 17:25, 25 October 2011 (EDT)
:::::"Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: The Headmasters" and its ilk are the imaginary names. Those articles for imaginary toylines are fine where they are. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:53, 25 October 2011 (EDT)

==="Movie"===
There's still [[Movie (franchise)]], [[Movie (toyline)]] and more. Shouldn't that be "Transformers (2007 franchise)" and "Transformers (2007 toyline)", with the current [[Transformers (film)|Transformers (2007)]] becoming "Transformers (2007 movie)"?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 20:44, 24 October 2011 (EDT)

:Probably. I didn't move them, since I wanted to bring it up for discussion first. The film should be moved to just "Transformers (film)", though. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:05, 24 October 2011 (EDT)

:"Movie (''media'')" should be moved to "Transformers (2007 ''media'')" while "Transformers (2007)" goes "Transformers (film)". --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:27, 24 October 2011 (EDT)
::That push for lexical accuracy strikes me as creating more ambiguity than it resolves. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:06, 25 October 2011 (EDT)

==Jungaroo==
Someone made a lovely [[Jungaroo]] gobox, but there's no page for him. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:23, 6 September 2011 (EDT)
:I don't think he's in any applicable fiction, but his [http://home.comcast.net/~BattleBeastSD/MGCKang.html bio card is online here]. Someone will have to translate it from Japanese first though. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:25, 15 September 2011 (EDT)

== Making the search suggestion work better ==

I don't know if anyone else has this problem, but I noticed sometimes when I type something in the search box, the search suggestions below it jump around and end up on a list which doesn't quite match what I typed. I think it's something to do with the speed I'm typing and the amount of time the server takes to respond to each request.

Anyway, I tweaked the javascript for grabbing the suggestions from the server so it would only trigger when I stopped typing. That seems to fix the problem for me, and as a bonus it's not nagging the server on every keypress. The downside is no instant feedback when I type, but I can live without that if it fixes the other thing.

If anyone else is having that problem and wants to have a go, just copy and paste the following into your [[Special:MyPage/monacobook.js|monacobook.js]] (caveat: only tested on Firefox and Chrome):
<pre><nowiki>
var ss_memory = null;
var ss_timeron = 0;
var ss_timer;

function DoActualSearch() {
ss_timeron=0;
var newdiv = document.getElementById("searchsuggest");
if (!newdiv) {
var newdiv = document.createElement("div");
newdiv.id = "searchsuggest";
var searchdiv = document.getElementById("searchBody");
searchdiv.appendChild(newdiv);
}
var x = document.getElementById("searchInput").value;
if (x == ss_memory) {
return;
}
ss_memory = x;
document.getElementById("searchsuggest").style.display = 'none';
if (x.length < 30 && x.length > 1 && x.value != "") {
sajax_do_call("wfAjaxSearchSuggest", [x], newdiv);
document.getElementById("searchsuggest").style.display = 'block';
}
}

function MySearchCall() {
if(ss_timeron) {
clearTimeout(ss_timer);
ss_timer=setTimeout("DoActualSearch();",500);
} else {
ss_timer=setTimeout("DoActualSearch();",500);
ss_timeron=1;
}
}

function myss_ajax_onload(){
var x = document.getElementById('searchInput');
x.onkeyup = function(){
MySearchCall();
};
}

hookEvent("load", myss_ajax_onload);
</nowiki></pre>
Unfortunately it won't fix the actual contents of the search suggestions, so you'll still get a bunch of All Hail Megatron issues when you type "Megatron", but that requires changes on the server. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:02, 14 September 2011 (EDT)
:Hmm. I feel like adding <tt>ORDER BY `page_counter` DESC</tt> around line 20 of ''suggest.php'' might help w/ our search results, but it's hard to say for sure given how abstracted mediawiki database calls are, someone would have ot make the change then test it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:47, 15 September 2011 (EDT)
::The thought I had was to do a query on article titles starting with the search term, and then if that gives back less than 8 entries, do a second search to fill the rest of the list with titles with the term anywhere in the title. The search suggest currently supports both options, but not at the same time. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:07, 15 September 2011 (EDT)

==Stuff==
: Firstly, our organization of information related to the junior franchises is terrible and I'd love to do something about it, but I need feedback. We currently have most Japanese and American Go-Bots as separate characters, except for the Japanese Go-Bots from the 1-2-3 line. Though there are requests for a separate Chopper page. Should those pages be split or not? And if so, what about the figures that came with some of the toys. Kid-Bot clearly isn't the "red driver" or "blue driver", but the dog and "Gas-Bot" both have fiction in only one of the two franchises, so is it worth separating them? Also, does the unpublished coloring book count as apocrypha or not, seeing as it was mostly approved? And the human characters within, do they count as cameos like Kelly in the Dreamwave comics or separate characters? And does anyone know what the Japanese name was by which the First Transformers were released? The Go-Bots fansite has an image of Dumpkun's box featuring what looks like a G1 logo, the First Transformers logo and "初めてトランスフォーマー" written on it.
: Secondly, many disambiguation pages still mention if there's a separate page for the toys of a character. Is this system still necessary now that we use subpages to separate such stuff under? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 17:07, 23 September 2011 (EDT)

::I think unpublished stuff is treated as apocrypha, isn't it? The character page coverage of unreleased Dreamwave issues is in notes, for instance. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:48, 24 September 2011 (EDT)
:::True, but we don't know if those were approved or know those weren't approved. The coloring book was approved, just not released. That makes it better comparable to Wreckers #$, which we do not consider apocrypha (though I wouldn't know if we'd do that if Wreckers #5 didn't partially canonize it). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:39, 1 October 2011 (EDT)
::Just weighing in on the toy page issue: I find it useful to have these called out on the disambig pages. Being able to go directly from the disambig page to the toy page of a character saves me at least one click (if I see the suite box in time) and often some scrolling (if I don't see it). However, I won't fight too hard on this if consensus is for the removal of this feature. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 07:47, 26 September 2011 (EDT)

::Thinking some more about the Go-Bots stuff, as the Japanese version of Gas-Bot has no fiction, it probably doesn't need its own page - either link to Gas-Bot's page or just leave it unlinked in the appropriate toy sections. Same with the US version of the dog. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:30, 24 October 2011 (EDT)

== Help Wanted ==

Hello one and all. I'm here representing a newly created Role-Playing forum that is based in the Transformers Universe. We're in the early stages yet, and are looking for people to help get the ball rolling. Since this site seems to lack a dedicated forum (where requests like these would usually be made) and I haven't seen any other way to effectively say my piece in front of a large audience, I thought that posting here was the best way to "advertise" us, as it were. I sincerely apologize if this was the wrong move on our part, or if I've breached protocol at all, but I can assure everyone that our intentions aren't malign. Those interested, please contact me using any of the ways that I have listed on my username page here on this site. I won't tempt fate by linking our website here directly =P

Once again, you all have my sincere greetings, and I hope to hear from you soon. Also, as a side note: the difference in quality between this page and the transformers wikia is amazing. [[User:Rathian Warrior|Rathian Warrior]] 23:50, 3 October 2011 (EDT)
:I'm not sure if you've crossed any lines, and frankly, you were polite enough about it that it's not a big deal, but you could always buy some ad space if you want to raise awareness of your forum. It's cheap! There's usually a link on every page around the banners, but if you didn't catch it, you can follow this link: [https://www.projectwonderful.com/advertisehere.php?id=25311&type=4 Project Wonderful TFWiki Page]--[[User:McFly|McFly]] 16:13, 8 November 2011 (EST)

== Facebook. ==

Is '''<nowiki>http://www.facebook.com/pages/TFwikinet/191252494230187</nowiki>''' us? Because it's the #1 link when you search for "TFWiki Facebook," and our group is nowhere to be seen. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:32, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

:I think our group is not showing up because you have to have a Facebook account to see it? When I go to the group's URL, I just get a page prompting me to log in to Facebook. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:47, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

::The link is this one: [http://www.facebook.com/groups/28226443881/ http://www.facebook.com/groups/28226443881/], which is the #3 on the search by "TFwiki site:facebook.com" on Google. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 19:51, 12 October 2011 (EDT)
:::So the other one isn't ours, and we can't put a link on it pointing it to the group.
:::Annoying. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:01, 13 October 2011 (EDT)
::::It's a "Community page", whatever that is. Clicking on the "Create a page" button on the top right of that page does bring up some sort of form which seems like it will do something. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:12, 13 October 2011 (EDT)

== Aligned Timeline ==

I'm going to try and take a stab at creating an Aligned timeline that unites everything we know about the franchise(s) so far. Any help would be greatly appreciated. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 09:48, 17 October 2011 (EDT)

== Halloween ==

Presuming we're deco'ing our frontpage for Halloween... does anyone have any suggestions? Monsters, ghosts, gouls? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:09, 27 October 2011 (EDT)
:Animated Blitzwing's random face looks sorta Jack O'Lanterny and could work as a replacement for the Autobot insignia on the site logo, assuming we can find a head-on image of it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:35, 27 October 2011 (EDT)

== Moving "(Timelines)" articles ==

I'm thinking that, as we don't bother with "(Timelines)" for SG, TransTech, and Animated characters, we should apply the same across the board and only use it if necessary.

*Astrotrain (Timelines) → Astrotrain (Cybertron)
*Cannonball (Timelines) → Cannonball (G1)
*Cop-Tur (Timelines) → Cop-Tur (G1)
*Halogen (Timelines) → Halogen (G1)
*Side Burn (Timelines) → Side Burn (G1)
*Sky-Byte (Timelines) → Sky-Byte (G2)
*Switchblade (Timelines) → Switchblade (BW)
*Thunderblast (Timelines) → Thunderblast (G1)
*Yoketron (Timelines) → Yoketron (G1)

The exceptions are the Descent into Evil characters, who don't really fit in any pre-existing franchise, and the Nexus Prime characters, who don't originate from a particular universe.
*Buzzclaw (Timelines)
*Dirge (Timelines)
*Flareup (Timelines)
*Landquake (Timelines)
*Ricochet (Timelines)
*Heatwave (Timelines)

Thoughts? Or does nobody really care that much? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:19, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

:Since you asked, I'll pitch 2¢ into the conversation, since I know a little bit about it. I found out the hard way that wiki "doesn't bother with '(Timelines)' for Animated." And by hard way, I mean I was clobbered over the head without a hint of explanation for proposing that a Timelines-original Animated continuity character should be at "(Timelines)." But no hard feelings. I still think "franchise of origin" and not "continuity of origin" is best for disambiguations. For reasons that have been discussed previously on the subject. TransTech and SG are treated as a kind of sub-franchises of Timelines by the wiki, so I think they are an OK exception. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:00, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

::The prose stories are identified as "Transformers Timelines presents a Transformers: (franchise) story". I would say that both franchises are equally valid to the stories, and the fact that non-Timelines stories (Around Cybertron, magazine comics, etc.) bleed together with Timelines stories makes the "(Timelines)" designation convoluted. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:12, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

:::Well, that's different. It sounds like you are calling their actual franchise of origin into question, not just their disambiguation. I don't have an opinion about their actual franchise of origin. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:28, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

::::I'm not denying that they're Timelines, but saying that they're better categorized under their other franchise. Like the Animated guys, it seems more instinctive to file [[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn (Timelines)]] under "Side Burn (G1)" instead (not to mention that there's other Side Burn in Timelines: [[Side Burn (SG)]]).[[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:38, 2 November 2011 (EDT)
I'm hesitating, but let me think about the ramifications. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:20, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

:I'd be fine with this. Though, one thing I'd like to propose is giving the Wings Universe characters their own disambiguation suffix. Like maybe "(Wings)" or something. I know it's a part of G1, but it's kinda like its own series within the over G1 continuity family like the Japanese G1 series are (which are also given their own suffixes such as "(Victory)", "(ROC)", "(BT)" etc.).

:Though, as for the Descent into Evil characters, maybe something like "(DIE)" or "(Descent)" or even just "(Descent into Evil)". Or, if not, keep them at "(Timelines)". --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 11:51, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

::I think the DIE guys are fine where they are (although you could argue moving [[Ricochet (Timelines)]] because of [[Ricochet (SG)]], but I don't really care). As for the Wings Universe guys getting their own disambiguation, eh... [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 12:02, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

::I am '''definitely absolutely''' against creating a (Wings) disambiguation when (G1) or (Timelines) work perfectly fine. We do NOT disambiguate by continuity except by absolute necessity within a franchise. Making up a (Wings) parenthetical just because incredibly confuses our disambiguation policy for no real reason. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:46, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

::And what exactly keeps the Descent into Evil guys from being tagged G1? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:29, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

:::Is the intermezzo period between G1 and BW considered G1 or BW?

:::It's all G1 characters... and IIRC the Insecticons were supposed ot be part of Insecticon plans which had been around for ages, so the characters weren't "BW-era only" characters...

:::I could support a G1 disambigif you talked me into it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:01, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

::::DIE fiction (Descent into Evil itself and [[Intimidation Game]]) has elements of both BW and G1; it doesn't have a certain franchise placement. Dirge (Timelines) and Ricochet (Timelines) also have namesakes firmly in G1. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:14, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

:::::BW is both BW and G1. And G1 has been back-incorporating BW elements since, like, 1995. The fact DIE has G1 and BW doesn't mean it's part of neither. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:25, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

::I think that, by the nature of Timelines, it feels more natural to parse that specific set of characters by their continuity or parent-franchise of origin. Honestly, I think the Nexus components (''all'' of them) are really the best and only candidates for the Timelines parser.

::Also, I made a [http://digimon.wikia.com/wiki/Template:c quick template] that you guys could use here to simplify the coding for whenever you need to link a continuity-parsed name.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 15:37, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

:::Unfortunately I don't think that template would work as well here, because our articles are not consistently named by franchise. For instance [[Lightspeed (G1 Technobot)]], [[Flattop (Autobot)]] and [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]] are all (G1) characters but don't use (G1) in their title, so the template wouldn't work for linking to them. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:05, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

:I think that Timelines is a pretty clunky franchise for the purposes of this wiki, in that it covers multiple continuities. I think the proposal on the table makes sense.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:31, 3 November 2011 (EDT)

== Two spaces after a period in a sentence ==

I've noticed this for a while on the Wiki. In practice, it makes no difference as the software displays one space the same way it displays one. However, I've been wondering why people do it. Now I '''know: They''' were taught so in school. '''By teachers who were taught on friggin' ''typewriters''.''' So the "two spaces after a period" rule is a leftover from the typewriter days, where it was a necessity, but it's completely obsolete on computers. [http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2011/01/space_invaders.html Source]--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 07:16, 4 November 2011 (EDT)
:The sentence spacing rules were, in fact, developed by typographers, but were not phased out via the magical introduction of the personal computer. The em-space rule exists for monospaced fonts, which were still fairly common for a great number of printers through the mid-1980s. If you would like to begin a tyrannical series of grammar-based wiki edits, I would begin by avoiding the use of prepositions at the start of sentences. I would also advise some respect for the proper use of colons and semi-colons, as typographical errors should not take priority over proper word selection and punctuation. Cheers! --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 14:20, 7 November 2011 (EST)
::Are you referring to sentences beginning with prepositional phrases for the sake of emphasis (also known as an introductory modifiers)? That's totally valid. Or do you mean idiocies such as relative clauses that are separated from the preceding main clause by a period instead of a comma? The most glaring typographic blunders I encounter on the wiki typically go hand in hand with awkwardly worded sentences and clunky terminology, so I'm inclined to assume the same person(s) is/are responsible for all of those.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 20:14, 8 November 2011 (EST)
:::I have bolded an example. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:14, 8 November 2011 (EST)
::::Aw, you altered your post. No fair! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:16, 8 November 2011 (EST)
:::::What'd I alter? I just moved it up. Anyway... I'd call that one "deliberate departure from proper grammar for the sake of dramatic emphasis". It's about as improper as using a period after ''every. Single. Word.'' If it's obvious from the context that it's done for emphasis, I'd call it acceptable as long as it's not used inflationary. I'm sure we have a few cases of "We know it's not proper grammar, but we want to stress a point here" on the wiki. (How did the saying go again? "Know the rules first before you break them"?)--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 20:28, 8 November 2011 (EST)
:....or you can just set the bot to convert " " to " ". Since we don't output monospace font, or anything.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 15:22, 7 November 2011 (EST)
::Over the whole wiki, those extra spaces account for maybe 20kb of data, which I don't think is worth worrying about. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:21, 8 November 2011 (EST)
:::Typed text is typed text, and the double-space after a period is still correct. Shall we next be told that we're "wrong" for not having the wiki use the metric system, or for writing down dates with the month before the day instead of after it? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:31, 8 November 2011 (EST)
::::Oh, and I bolded something too. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:36, 8 November 2011 (EST)
Due to habit, I'm gonna double-space until I die. I really don't think that needs to be considered a problem. Is that really a problem? An extra millimeter between sentences? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:51, 8 November 2011 (EST)

Nevermore ''is'' right about it being mostly obsolete, but for purely technical reasons: All double (triple, etc.) spaces are collapsed down to one for display in HTML. If you want the extra spaces to actually be viewable as extra blank space, you have to use <tt>&</tt><tt></tt><tt>nbsp;</tt>. So if you double-space here on the wiki, it only shows up when you edit the page. For whatever that's worth. (Not really taking sides, just presenting the info.) --[[Special:Contributions/67.252.49.31|67.252.49.31]] 06:08, 9 November 2011 (EST)

== More on the search box/"Transformers" everything ==

Typing "Energon" into the search box does not give me [[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon (franchise)]], [[Transformers: Energon (cartoon)|Energon (cartoon)]] or [[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon (toyline)]] as top results. Same for "Cybertron". I assume this has to do with the recent "Transformers" prefixing for article titles. However, typing "Animated" into the seach box ''does'' give me franchise and toyline as top results, so it should be ''possible'' despite the prefixing.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 07:36, 6 November 2011 (EST)
:It's purely alphabetical, dude. ''Animated'' shows up before ''Arcee (Animated)'' because "An" precedes "Ar", whereas ''Arcee (Energon)'' comes up before ''Energon'' because "A" precedes "E". --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 08:13, 6 November 2011 (EST)
::There's an option in the search suggest tool to limit the results to stuff starting with the search query rather than with stuff with the term anywhere in their titles, however it's not something that can be configured through MediaWiki. There's a bit of discussion about it in the "Making the search suggestion work better" section up above. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 14:36, 6 November 2011 (EST)
:::If we wanted to do ''that'', when we shouldn't have prefixed "Transformers:" before hundreds of articles 3 weeks ago. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:06, 19 November 2011 (EST)
::::We still have the titles without "Transformers: " as redirects though, so they'll still show up. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:23, 19 November 2011 (EST)

== Spam-dalism ==

Is that the neologism for it? Anyway, somehow the ReCaptcha is failing to stop the automated spam, and I'm guessing the IP's are all very different.

How old are the accounts when they do this? If they're fairly new, would it be possible to simply block IPs and new accounts from inserting new external links? If not (or if that's unworkable), would it be possible to flag such edits for review the way that wikipedia does to edits on contested pages?

Also, is there any chance these are at least coming from the same proxy? The fact that they're getting past ReCaptcha makes it seem like these are actual people doing this, unless ReCaptcha only activates on certain namespaces.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 14:25, 18 November 2011 (EST)
:I was using captcha with images on my phpBB installation on another site (Doctor Who related) until yesterday and getting a half dozen spammers a day signing up in despite of it. Yesterday I switched to a Question Answer challenge which asks the person registering to name the main character's time machine, and so far it has stopped the spammers dead.
:MediaWiki has [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:QuestyCaptcha QuestyCaptcha] which looks like it works in exactly the same way, and works with the ConfirmEdit extension we already have installed. If we can get that installed and set up, it might be more effective than the image-based system we use now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:39, 18 November 2011 (EST)
::What would the questions be? It can't be too obvious or too obscure. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 17:31, 18 November 2011 (EST)
:::Not necessarily. The question I'm using on my Doctor Who site is obvious if you have any knowledge at all of the source material, but it seems to be working. We can always start with something easy and see how we go. Most likely all of the spammers are using bots anyway. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:49, 18 November 2011 (EST)
::::"What is the name of the red-and-blue semi Autobot?", "What's the name of the blue casette player Decepticon?", or "What is the name of the yellow semi Micromaster Autobot with a hydraulic crane?"[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 17:50, 18 November 2011 (EST)
::::: "What is the fandom's usual reaction when a new franchise is announced?" :p [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 17:56, 18 November 2011 (EST)
::::::<tt>If Dick has two apples and Jane has two apples, how many apples do they have? (3 letters.)</tt> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:09, 19 November 2011 (EST)
::Ah, but then it would be so easy for users to use only three exclamation marks, and forget the requisite four exclamation marks and a 1.
::No but yeah, a question helps a lot. Might even be worth doing for all IP edits and new accounts, not just those with external links.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 15:57, 19 November 2011 (EST)
::While we're on the subject, is it somehow possible to flag certain terms or words used by IP editors and auto-block them? *coughcoughobamacoughcough*[[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 16:31, 19 November 2011 (EST)
:::...but we have an article on [[Barack Obama|Barry Obama]].
:::Are you trying to whitewash the wiki? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:13, 19 November 2011 (EST)
:::: It was just an academic question; after all, I'm sure that you've noticed our considerable problem with a certain IP editor lately. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 17:19, 19 November 2011 (EST)
::::: Well yes... but I couldn't resist. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:43, 19 November 2011 (EST)
:::It's getting to the point where I'm thinking a temp ban on the whole ISP might get better results. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:51, 19 November 2011 (EST)
::::sooo...who would you need to talk to about getting this set up, and what exactly do you want to restrict?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 19:45, 21 November 2011 (EST)
:::::The guy whose IP addresses are always located in England who keeps vandalizing articles with Obama-related nonsense. Doesn't look like even banning IP ranges stops him. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:01, 22 November 2011 (EST)
:::::...so, there's no way to stop this lunatic? [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 11:09, 22 November 2011 (EST)
:Options, in order of severity:
#Block all new uses of the word "Obama" to all anonymous editors.
#Block anonymous editors entirely.
#Destroy England.
:But really, that's a separate issue with probably a separate solution, since the guy is a some kind of being. To deal with the spamdalism, I think you guys should add a "name that Transformer-mon!" question, which should cut down heavily on automated edits, and if they still get through, look at blocking all uses of external links for anonymous or new editors. The use of the question for all IP edits is fairly standard, so it should be easy to implement, and you can look into harsher measures if the bots still make it through. However, I really think you guys should make an effort to get this setup, because the conversation keeps kind of drifting down and the vandalism keeps happening.[[Special:Contributions/98.223.102.157|98.223.102.157]] 02:29, 23 November 2011 (EST)
:: On another note... isn't it cute how he keps trying to badly pass himself off as me? I think someone has a bad case of hero-worship. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 10:09, 23 November 2011 (EST)
:::Please stop egging on vandals. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:05, 23 November 2011 (EST)
::: OK, on a more serious note, is anyone averse to just locking the wiki for a few days? Bulbapedia does it regularily and they don't have much of a vandalism problem. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 12:36, 23 November 2011 (EST)
Removing the "Undo" option for anons would help, at the very least. We need a regular tech person (or give abates access to the MediaWiki stuff, since he seems to know his way around). [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:12, 25 November 2011 (EST)
::: What if we implemented a captcha system for anon edits? I mean, it wouldn't ''stop'' them, per se, but it would make persistent vandalism wars a hassle. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 14:16, 25 November 2011 (EST)
::::I would not be opposed to that, or simple stock questions. ("Who is the leader of the Autobots?", "What is two plus three?", etc.) [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:23, 25 November 2011 (EST)
:::: Rodimus Prime? :p
::::: But seriously, how did Mr. Obama Guy get past the rangeblock? Because that's rather worrysome in and of itself. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 14:26, 25 November 2011 (EST)
::::::BT Internet has a lot of IP ranges. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:58, 25 November 2011 (EST)

Okay. Listen. 
1) CAPTCHA won't change crap. It ''might'' stop a small number of bot edits, but we have a large, active mod presence that basically polices this place around the clock, and any of those crappy ad pages can be eliminated in mere minutes, if not within seconds of their creation. 
2) There is basically '''''NOTHING''''' that can be done to ''stop'' someone who has decided that the best use of their time is constant, repeated, easily-reverted vandalism of a wiki. Well, okay there are a few options, but they're not ones any kind of wiki coding is gonna be part of. They'll find ways around bans, and all these automated things that are being suggested are basically shooting blind and wasting time. This is not remotely the first time someone has thought to do this. It won't be the last. But we've outlasted all those others. And that's all it takes. Again... that large active 24-hour admin presence that quickly and coolly reverts the vandalism ''without getting all butthurt''. That's what vandals want, to watch you get pissy and panicky and angry... ''and that's what you're giving them.'' So '''''shut up''''' and stop feeding that, then they'll eventually get bored and leave. 
3) I can perhaps get behind removing the "Undo" option for anons. I don't think though that it will really help much, since making an account takes what, a few seconds? 
--[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:38, 25 November 2011 (EST)
:Um. I don't want to offend anyone, but the Obama-guy thing ''really'' isn't related to this topic, although some of the solutions to the spamdalism thing might work to hinder him. The bigger issue is the guys spamming the wiki with links to knockoff viagra, sort of thing, and putting up a simple question system for anons and new editors would work to stop that almost completely, at least everywhere I've seen it in use.
:The mod presence, yeah, things eventually get cleaned up by the end of the day, but a simple, standard change like adding the question will prevent that from happening in the first place.[[Special:Contributions/99.39.88.159|99.39.88.159]] 22:44, 26 November 2011 (EST)
:Just to alleviate any concerns: In my experience, the question captcha does not prevent human edits except from the most severely uninformed editors, and it completely prevents the bot-spam, which at this point almost totally covers the RC when I happen to check it. Many other independent wikis, such as Halopedian, use the question captcha, so if you guys wanted a first-person POV on it, you could also ask them for their experiences. Basically, the captcha question should totally eliminate the bot-spam, with the only drawback being that it adds maybe a fraction of a second to anonymous human edits. So, given that, does anyone have any objections to adding the captcha question?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 13:09, 1 December 2011 (EST)--(same anon as throughout this topic)

== Spelling throughout the Wiki ==

I've found that, on multiple spots on the Wiki, there are UK English spellings of words. Now, I know that the Transformers Wiki is a country-spanning project, but I'd like a consensus on whether or not we should change incidences of UK spellings (like "practise" and "polarize") to their American English counterparts. A streamlined flow using only one dialect would, I believe, make the editing process much easier. However, I do not want a backlash from UK users. 
P.S.: Damn you, Webster! You and your new-world dictionary! [[User:TheMZone|TheMZone]] 18:09, 23 November 2011 (EST)
:[[Help:Style guide#National varieties of English|Here is the wiki's policy on the subject]] just so you know. I myself don't think it needs changing. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:20, 23 November 2011 (EST)

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== "Fictional" and "real" categories ==
I think we need to come up with a consistent way to distinguish categories of things that are real and categories of things that have appeared in fiction. So far, we've skimmed the issue by using synonyms, such as [[:Category:Companies|companies]] and "Category:Businesses|businesses", but that doesn't really work for things like [[:Category:Magazines|magazines]], which is already used for real magazines. Currently, we have [[:Category:Fictional books]], [[:Category:Fictional video games]] that consider the fictional entities "different". On the other hand, we have [[:Category:Real-world events by day]] and [[:Category:Real world films]]. We focus more on the fictional aspect of Transformers, so it makes sense to not point out the fictionality in categories, but "real world" sounds awkward to some. Which one should we use? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:26, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:I thought I'd cheat and see how some of the other fictional Wikis deal with the problem. Three different approaches I saw:
:*[http://tardis.wikia.com/ Doctor Who wiki] has a [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Real_world "Real World" category] for real world stuff and in most cases the categories for real world things are at "Real world X".
:*[http://wookiepedia.org/ Wookiepedia] goes the parenthetical route, with "Books" and "Books (real-world)". Though they also have one or two like "Real world companies".
:*[http://stargate.wikia.com/ Stargate wiki] has "Books" versus "Stargate books" for real world books.
:I kinda like the parenthetical approach that Wookiepedia have taken. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:11, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::I'd favor pointing out the status of both categories, just to make absolutely clear what they are for. The words can be "Fictional" and "Real-world" (I notice both real-world categories use a different spelling. Whichever it's gonna be (if), only one spelling should be used). "Nonfictional" kinda works as an alternative, would "Real-world" be disliked. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 04:35, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::If we go that route, I think "real-world" should be used, since "real world" is a lot more easier to fix than the other parsing. I like the Wookiepedia approach, but I'm not sure that's enough to change how we already do categories. The idea to label both categories sounds nice, but "Fictional X" seems incongruous with unlabeled categories, such as "weapons", "technology", etc.; considering that our main focus is the fiction, I'm leaning towards only labeling the real stuff. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:02, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::::I think it would be advantageous to put a {{tl|disambig2}} at the top, so people could easily go from the fictional to the real world category too. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:30, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::Yeah, I think I put that on [[:Category:Films]] a while ago. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:57, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::::Speaking of this, I found we handle [[:Category:Films]] like [[:Category:Real people]], wouldn't this be some, um, confusing? It's just, somehow, reverse? (Except for the fictional films like ''Honoji'') According to the logic of how we handle [[:Category:Real people]], shouldn't we place films like ''40-Year-Old Virgin'' or ''Godzilla'' in the [[:Category:Real world films]]? --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 23:04, 6 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::::Godzilla doesn't go in "Real world films" because it's not a real world ''Transformers'' film. The Transformers is implied in that category name. Presumably we could have a "Real films" category for Godzilla, etc, but I'm not sure it's worth doing. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:53, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::We shouldn't use "fictional X" for two reasons. One, there things like [[As the Kitchen Sinks]] that are fictional even within the fictional Transformers universe. Second, the wiki is written in-universe by default and putting [[Big Steve's Used Cars]] in a "fictional businesses" category would kind of break that. Within Transformers fiction, "Big Steve's Used Cars" is not a fictional company, but "As the Kitchen Sinks" is a fictional TV show. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:47, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::::In-universe, As the Kitchen Sinks is not a fictional show. It depicts fictional events and fictional people, yes, but the show itself, as a piece of entertainment, is not fictional. I do get your point, as we actually have things like [[Frankenstein]] that are two layers of fiction removed from us. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:18, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::::Yes, of course. I meant, in-universe, ''As the Kitchen Sinks'' is a work of fiction, whereas "Big Steve's Used Cars" is a real business that sells real used cars to real people. Have I been saying it wrong all this time? Wasn't ''Buck Rogers'' a fictional TV show? Anyway, it sounds like you got my point. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:14, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::::::Or, judging by the fact categories like "Magazines" in used for magazines in our real life and "Companies" for companies in real life, why not just use "Film" for films (such as DOTM) in real life, while we move current contents in "Films" to "Films in ''Transformers'' fictions"? --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 23:04, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::::::That seems like it would go counter to some of our existing naming schemes. e.g. if we split that out into films by franchise, you'd get "Films in Generation 1" rather than "Generation 1 films". Though admittedly the former title might have the advantage that it's clearer in meaning. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:50, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::::::::I think both are equally ambiguous in their meaning. If we still need to clarify the purpose of the categories, we can always spell it out in the category's introduction. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:03, 7 September 2011 (EDT)

== "Transformers: " ==
We talked a bit about adding back "Transformers: " to the titles of articles [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive51#When_to_omit_.22Transformers.22_from_an_article_title|previously]], and the general sentiment was that people were for it or didn't have an issue with it. Does anybody else have any input in this matter? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:34, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:I'm okay with this change, but I do have three questions on execution. 1.) Whether or not "Transformers" is followed by a colon seems random in our current system. How will that be handled? 2.) If "Transformers(:)" is going to be added to every relevant page name, then what about all the extra words in the titles of Japanese stuff? 3.) What conseuqneces will this have for categories, lists, storylinks, etc? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 04:41, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::#I think we've had two consistent rules about that: If the title is some kind of phrase, like "Transformers United", "The Transformers Collection", or "Transformers Animated", then we don't use the colon. If the title is some kind of obvious "title: subtitle" setup ("Transformers: Armada", "Transformers: Prime"), then we use the colon. There's some borderline examples, but I think we can figure them out one by one. Official sources will help with determining colon-status. The other rule seems to apply to only games: If the title has another subtitle, then the first colon is dropped (ex. [[Transformers Prime: Terrorcon Defense]]). I dunno why, but we can add back the colon, I suppose.
::#I guess we add them? We could argue it for ''Victory'', since it was released in English contexts as just "Transformers: Victory".
::#I think we're just going to continue the same in relation to those. The articles will still be sorted by their subtitles in categories. Storylinks I could go either way on, but I think the trend is to drop the main title. I've been doing that for the AAII storylinks to avoid excessively long links. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 12:49, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::::I don't see how "Transformers United" and "Transformers Animated" are any different from "Transformers: Prime". To me, all three could fall into either of your groups (phrase vs subtitle) and would prefer colons in all of those cases. Of your examples, only "The Transformers Collection" seems to really belong in the "phrase" group. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:22, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::"United" and "Animated" are adjectives that modify "Transformers" and have official sources that omit the colon. "Transformers Prime" doesn't make sense in that way. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:58, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::::I am not certain about those two "rules" for colons either. They're rather vague and bound to cause arguments and confusion. It needs to be made more obvious whether a colon should be used or not before "Transformers" can be added everywhere (a help page on the matter would also be handy in the future, me thinks).

::::I think that if we would put the cartoon at ''Transformers: Victory'', that would cause confusion with the manga, storypages, toyline and franchises, none of which were ever brought over and should thus not be named such. If moved, the ''Victory'' cartoon should best go to its Japanese name. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:28, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>shrug* The first rule is mostly there for Transformers Animated, which people will be resistant to moving to have a colon (plus, obvious cases like The Transformers Collection). The second rule I really don't care about and can be tossed (it mostly only concerns the movie series of video games and online games). [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:04, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::Are you suggesting there that Victory articles should be moved to "Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory"? I'd disagree with that, if so! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:25, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::Why? We can't go around writing out the full names of Western franchises and stuff but not do so for the Japanese stuff. We already have "Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers" written out for the 1985 & 1986 Japanese franchises, so why not ''Victory''? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 07:30, 10 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Victory (the cartoon) has been released in the West as "Transformers: Victory", to me that means that the official English name of the franchise ''is'' Transformers: Victory. Yes, we should give the full Japanese title at the beginning of the franchise page but there is no reason to move anything to that name. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:35, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::::That was pretty much my reasoning too (also typing out the full name every time we wanted to link to it would be tedious). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:59, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::::::Tying out "(franchise)" every time for everything is more tedious, but we still have it (for... some reason). Ditto long titles like [[The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers]] and [[Transformers Vault]]'s previous ridiculously long title.
:::::::::But I guess the general principle of "Transformers: " is acceptable to most. I'll start moving the noncontroversial pages (Western comics and cartoons with definite subtitles, etc.) if there's no opposition in the next few hours. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:08, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::::::Is there a difference between [[Transformers, Beast Wars: The Gathering]] and [[Transformers: Beast Wars: The Ascending]]? I must admit, the comma/colon distinction seems kinda arbitrary. Also, these page names seem kind of overlong and stupid, what's wrong with [[Transformers: Beast Wars: The Ascending|The Ascending]] and [[Transformers, Beast Wars: The Gathering|The Gathering]]? It's a Transformers wiki and those are Beast Wars series; prefixing everything we possibly can with "Transformers" is only going to clog up the search box and make editing just that bit more arduous. What were the arguments in favour of this again? --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 16:21, 12 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::::::::That's the formatting used in the indicia. Your complaint about the search box is silly; did you really think typing "Transformers" into it yielded anything useful 99% of the time?
:::::::::::Like it or not, "Transformers: " is the part of the name of many things, and the hoops we have to go through to maintain this silly system of dropping it from article titles has gotten ridiculous and inconsistent. Adding "Transformers: " to article titles, on the other hand, adds ''clarity'' and avoids pointless disambiguation. "The Transformers: Bumblebee" is preferable to "Bumblebee (comic)", "Transformers: Sector 7" to "Sector 7 (comic)", etc. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:44, 12 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::::::::I get that it's useful in some cases, but it just seems like applying the rule across the board means we're overcomplicating the issue. Occam's razor has a lot going for it, and for user-friendliness I'd go for brevity. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 17:11, 12 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::::::::Also on an Occam's razor tip, "Bumblebee (comic)" conveys more information in fewer characters than "Transformers: Bumblebee". I really don't understand why the latter is preferable. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 14:06, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::::::::::There's something to say for either argument, but as it is, we have proven to be unable to keep to one consistent "Transformers"-as-part-of-the-title policy at least since TFA. And if trying to keep "Transformers" out of the deal doesn't work, we oughta give the alternative a chance. I don't think it necesarilly makes it harder to find anything, as the search box reacts to words even if they are not the first part of a page title. And I want to have the changes in clear perspective before I might suggest deleting a few redirects, so at least for now, searches won't be any harder and we have a consistent policy. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 14:49, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

I gotta say, I'm hating how this is working in practice. Article titles seem long and ugly to me.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:46, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

:I feel the same, but it seems to be an necessary evil because "Transformers: ***" is a full title? duh. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 22:45, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

::I fear the day someone decides to add full titles to disambiguation suffixes as well, e.g. "Optimus Prime (Transformers Animated)", "Grindor (Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen)" etc.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 13:43, 15 September 2011 (EDT)

:::That would be silly, and I'm pretty sure most people would oppose it. Putting "Transformers:" in names is a change we'd already been drifting towards for a while with, for instance, the War for Cybertron articles all doing it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:32, 15 September 2011 (EDT)

::::On a related note, it's a pet peeve of mine when a writeup talks about a specific medium related to a franchise but links to the franchise as a whole instead, such as "Jetfire was released as part of wave 1 of the [[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]] toyline" or "in episode 6 of the [[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon]] cartoon...".--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 17:29, 15 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::Would the best solution there be something like "Jetfire was released as part of wave 1 of the [[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]] [[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|toyline]]"? --[[Special:Contributions/77.99.176.103|77.99.176.103]] 03:32, 29 September 2011 (EDT) (oops, emvee not logged in)
::::::I think linking to the toyline page is sufficent. There's no need for an additional link to the corresponding umbrella franchise. The thought behind this is: "If Joe McRandom sees something that interests him and clicks a link, does he want the link to take him straight to the specific topic or to a more general overview?" I think link targets should always be as specific as necessary. If someone gets interested in a broader overview, he can always go one level up. After all, a link referring to G1 Optimus Prime leads to [[Optimus Prime (G1)]], not to [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)]], either. In the same fashion, toyline pages should deeplink to the specific toy entries on the respective characters' pages (or even their toy pages, if applicable). Like, if Joe McRandom is on the [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe (2008 toyline)]] page, sees a "Prowl" toy listed under "Deluxe Class" and wants to read more about that toy, he wants the "Prowl" link to take him straight to [[Prowl (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)]], not to the [[Prowl (G1)|main character page]] where he then has to scroll down to "toys", see that G1 Prowl toys have their separate page, go ''there'', ''then'' scroll down to "Universe (2008)". (It currently links to [[Prowl (G1)/toys]], which is at least halfway there.) I will fix this wherever I see it, and implement it when doing writeups.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 08:11, 13 October 2011 (EDT)

===Suggestion to creating templates===

Do we need some kinds of templates when typing contents for convenience? For my experience in Terminator Wiki, we use templates like <nowiki>{{T3}} for ''[[Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]]'' or {{TSCC}} for ''[[Terminator: The Sarah Connnor Chronicles]]''</nowiki>. What I'm suggesting is that after we make all franchise names into full title (and we don't use redirect links), it is some how trouble some when typing the title. So we can make some templates like:
<pre>
{{tf|Armada}} -> ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Transformers: Armada]]''

{{tf|Armada|toyline|Pokeformer}} -> ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Pokeformer]]''

{{jptf|bwn}} -> ''[[Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Neo]]''

</pre>

If there is any user who can created complex template, we could make

<pre>
{{tf|armada|t}} -> ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Transformers: Armada]]''

parameter 1:
2010 = Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010 (toyline)
thm = Transformers: The Headmasters (toyline)
mf = Transformers: Super-God Masterforce (toyline)
v = Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory
z = Transformers: Zone
roc = Transformers: Return of Convoy
oc = Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Operation Combination
armada = Transformers Armada
bwn = Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Neo
mov = Movie
rotf = Revenge of the Fallen
tfa = Transformers Animated
...and (blah blah)

parameter 2:
*default* - franchise
t - toyline
ct - cartoon
co - comic
m - manga
f - film

And, if possible:
if parameter 3 = s (for example), it will become short title like ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Armada]]''

</pre>

--'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:42, 24 September 2011 (EDT)

:It's something I've thought about as well. Considering there are a lot of exceptions to the regular naming system (parts of franchises that are called something different or franchises that lack the (franchise) identifier on the wiki because it's not necessary to disambiguate it), I don't think a template can be coded to put a link together. A full list system like our TFtoon templates have could maybe work though. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:08, 25 September 2011 (EDT)
::I think with the number of franchises we have, it would end up being a hellishly big template and difficult to maintain for only a minor gain. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:03, 25 September 2011 (EDT)

==="Fight! Super Robot Lifeform" Transformers===
With the insertion of this phrase into the Victory page titles, should it also be inserted into the titles of The Headmasters, Super-God Masterforce, and Zone? now while the immediate answer would be "No", there are some places that do include this text above the "Toransufōmā" text in each of these series's logos. An example of this would the [[Transformers Tapestry]] (which even includes it in the Operation combination logo as well) and the [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Image:Columbia_Zone_DVD.jpg Columbia DVD of Zone]. Its inclusion in these places seems more than mere coincidence, so would we take this idea into consideration? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 14:33, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
:Um, that ''Zone'' DVD does not support your assertion. All of the ''actual'' media for those series (except for the Zone manga and story pages) do not include The "Fight!..." portion. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:58, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
::Technically the whole toyline in Japan from 1985 to 1992 was called "Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers" (as was written on the boxes), so at least the toyline pages for the series of those years would probably need the longer title than just "Transformers: ''X'' (toyline)" --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 16:04, 25 October 2011 (EDT)
:::So you want to move the toyline pages to some made-up name? Pick one: 1) Merge all of the toyline pages to "Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)" 2) Leave the toyline pages as they are instead of stressing over naming things that technically don't exist. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:23, 25 October 2011 (EDT)
::::How is it "made up"? "Tatakae! Chō Robot Seimeitai" means "Fight! Super Robot Lifeform" and is written above the "Toransufōmā" text on the packages of the 1985-1992 Japanese toys. I'm not proposing we merge all those toyline pages together, but rather something akin to the [[Transformers: Beast Wars (Japanese toyline)|Japanese Beast Wars toyline]] page, in which the individual toylines are kept separate even though they were all collectively the same-named toyline. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 17:25, 25 October 2011 (EDT)
:::::"Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: The Headmasters" and its ilk are the imaginary names. Those articles for imaginary toylines are fine where they are. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:53, 25 October 2011 (EDT)

==="Movie"===
There's still [[Movie (franchise)]], [[Movie (toyline)]] and more. Shouldn't that be "Transformers (2007 franchise)" and "Transformers (2007 toyline)", with the current [[Transformers (film)|Transformers (2007)]] becoming "Transformers (2007 movie)"?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 20:44, 24 October 2011 (EDT)

:Probably. I didn't move them, since I wanted to bring it up for discussion first. The film should be moved to just "Transformers (film)", though. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:05, 24 October 2011 (EDT)

:"Movie (''media'')" should be moved to "Transformers (2007 ''media'')" while "Transformers (2007)" goes "Transformers (film)". --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:27, 24 October 2011 (EDT)
::That push for lexical accuracy strikes me as creating more ambiguity than it resolves. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:06, 25 October 2011 (EDT)

==Jungaroo==
Someone made a lovely [[Jungaroo]] gobox, but there's no page for him. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:23, 6 September 2011 (EDT)
:I don't think he's in any applicable fiction, but his [http://home.comcast.net/~BattleBeastSD/MGCKang.html bio card is online here]. Someone will have to translate it from Japanese first though. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:25, 15 September 2011 (EDT)

== Making the search suggestion work better ==

I don't know if anyone else has this problem, but I noticed sometimes when I type something in the search box, the search suggestions below it jump around and end up on a list which doesn't quite match what I typed. I think it's something to do with the speed I'm typing and the amount of time the server takes to respond to each request.

Anyway, I tweaked the javascript for grabbing the suggestions from the server so it would only trigger when I stopped typing. That seems to fix the problem for me, and as a bonus it's not nagging the server on every keypress. The downside is no instant feedback when I type, but I can live without that if it fixes the other thing.

If anyone else is having that problem and wants to have a go, just copy and paste the following into your [[Special:MyPage/monacobook.js|monacobook.js]] (caveat: only tested on Firefox and Chrome):
<pre><nowiki>
var ss_memory = null;
var ss_timeron = 0;
var ss_timer;

function DoActualSearch() {
ss_timeron=0;
var newdiv = document.getElementById("searchsuggest");
if (!newdiv) {
var newdiv = document.createElement("div");
newdiv.id = "searchsuggest";
var searchdiv = document.getElementById("searchBody");
searchdiv.appendChild(newdiv);
}
var x = document.getElementById("searchInput").value;
if (x == ss_memory) {
return;
}
ss_memory = x;
document.getElementById("searchsuggest").style.display = 'none';
if (x.length < 30 && x.length > 1 && x.value != "") {
sajax_do_call("wfAjaxSearchSuggest", [x], newdiv);
document.getElementById("searchsuggest").style.display = 'block';
}
}

function MySearchCall() {
if(ss_timeron) {
clearTimeout(ss_timer);
ss_timer=setTimeout("DoActualSearch();",500);
} else {
ss_timer=setTimeout("DoActualSearch();",500);
ss_timeron=1;
}
}

function myss_ajax_onload(){
var x = document.getElementById('searchInput');
x.onkeyup = function(){
MySearchCall();
};
}

hookEvent("load", myss_ajax_onload);
</nowiki></pre>
Unfortunately it won't fix the actual contents of the search suggestions, so you'll still get a bunch of All Hail Megatron issues when you type "Megatron", but that requires changes on the server. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:02, 14 September 2011 (EDT)
:Hmm. I feel like adding <tt>ORDER BY `page_counter` DESC</tt> around line 20 of ''suggest.php'' might help w/ our search results, but it's hard to say for sure given how abstracted mediawiki database calls are, someone would have ot make the change then test it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:47, 15 September 2011 (EDT)
::The thought I had was to do a query on article titles starting with the search term, and then if that gives back less than 8 entries, do a second search to fill the rest of the list with titles with the term anywhere in the title. The search suggest currently supports both options, but not at the same time. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:07, 15 September 2011 (EDT)

==Stuff==
: Firstly, our organization of information related to the junior franchises is terrible and I'd love to do something about it, but I need feedback. We currently have most Japanese and American Go-Bots as separate characters, except for the Japanese Go-Bots from the 1-2-3 line. Though there are requests for a separate Chopper page. Should those pages be split or not? And if so, what about the figures that came with some of the toys. Kid-Bot clearly isn't the "red driver" or "blue driver", but the dog and "Gas-Bot" both have fiction in only one of the two franchises, so is it worth separating them? Also, does the unpublished coloring book count as apocrypha or not, seeing as it was mostly approved? And the human characters within, do they count as cameos like Kelly in the Dreamwave comics or separate characters? And does anyone know what the Japanese name was by which the First Transformers were released? The Go-Bots fansite has an image of Dumpkun's box featuring what looks like a G1 logo, the First Transformers logo and "初めてトランスフォーマー" written on it.
: Secondly, many disambiguation pages still mention if there's a separate page for the toys of a character. Is this system still necessary now that we use subpages to separate such stuff under? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 17:07, 23 September 2011 (EDT)

::I think unpublished stuff is treated as apocrypha, isn't it? The character page coverage of unreleased Dreamwave issues is in notes, for instance. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:48, 24 September 2011 (EDT)
:::True, but we don't know if those were approved or know those weren't approved. The coloring book was approved, just not released. That makes it better comparable to Wreckers #$, which we do not consider apocrypha (though I wouldn't know if we'd do that if Wreckers #5 didn't partially canonize it). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:39, 1 October 2011 (EDT)
::Just weighing in on the toy page issue: I find it useful to have these called out on the disambig pages. Being able to go directly from the disambig page to the toy page of a character saves me at least one click (if I see the suite box in time) and often some scrolling (if I don't see it). However, I won't fight too hard on this if consensus is for the removal of this feature. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 07:47, 26 September 2011 (EDT)

::Thinking some more about the Go-Bots stuff, as the Japanese version of Gas-Bot has no fiction, it probably doesn't need its own page - either link to Gas-Bot's page or just leave it unlinked in the appropriate toy sections. Same with the US version of the dog. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:30, 24 October 2011 (EDT)

== Help Wanted ==

Hello one and all. I'm here representing a newly created Role-Playing forum that is based in the Transformers Universe. We're in the early stages yet, and are looking for people to help get the ball rolling. Since this site seems to lack a dedicated forum (where requests like these would usually be made) and I haven't seen any other way to effectively say my piece in front of a large audience, I thought that posting here was the best way to "advertise" us, as it were. I sincerely apologize if this was the wrong move on our part, or if I've breached protocol at all, but I can assure everyone that our intentions aren't malign. Those interested, please contact me using any of the ways that I have listed on my username page here on this site. I won't tempt fate by linking our website here directly =P

Once again, you all have my sincere greetings, and I hope to hear from you soon. Also, as a side note: the difference in quality between this page and the transformers wikia is amazing. [[User:Rathian Warrior|Rathian Warrior]] 23:50, 3 October 2011 (EDT)
:I'm not sure if you've crossed any lines, and frankly, you were polite enough about it that it's not a big deal, but you could always buy some ad space if you want to raise awareness of your forum. It's cheap! There's usually a link on every page around the banners, but if you didn't catch it, you can follow this link: [https://www.projectwonderful.com/advertisehere.php?id=25311&type=4 Project Wonderful TFWiki Page]--[[User:McFly|McFly]] 16:13, 8 November 2011 (EST)

== Facebook. ==

Is '''<nowiki>http://www.facebook.com/pages/TFwikinet/191252494230187</nowiki>''' us? Because it's the #1 link when you search for "TFWiki Facebook," and our group is nowhere to be seen. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:32, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

:I think our group is not showing up because you have to have a Facebook account to see it? When I go to the group's URL, I just get a page prompting me to log in to Facebook. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:47, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

::The link is this one: [http://www.facebook.com/groups/28226443881/ http://www.facebook.com/groups/28226443881/], which is the #3 on the search by "TFwiki site:facebook.com" on Google. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 19:51, 12 October 2011 (EDT)
:::So the other one isn't ours, and we can't put a link on it pointing it to the group.
:::Annoying. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:01, 13 October 2011 (EDT)
::::It's a "Community page", whatever that is. Clicking on the "Create a page" button on the top right of that page does bring up some sort of form which seems like it will do something. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:12, 13 October 2011 (EDT)

== Aligned Timeline ==

I'm going to try and take a stab at creating an Aligned timeline that unites everything we know about the franchise(s) so far. Any help would be greatly appreciated. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 09:48, 17 October 2011 (EDT)

== Halloween ==

Presuming we're deco'ing our frontpage for Halloween... does anyone have any suggestions? Monsters, ghosts, gouls? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:09, 27 October 2011 (EDT)
:Animated Blitzwing's random face looks sorta Jack O'Lanterny and could work as a replacement for the Autobot insignia on the site logo, assuming we can find a head-on image of it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:35, 27 October 2011 (EDT)

== Moving "(Timelines)" articles ==

I'm thinking that, as we don't bother with "(Timelines)" for SG, TransTech, and Animated characters, we should apply the same across the board and only use it if necessary.

*Astrotrain (Timelines) → Astrotrain (Cybertron)
*Cannonball (Timelines) → Cannonball (G1)
*Cop-Tur (Timelines) → Cop-Tur (G1)
*Halogen (Timelines) → Halogen (G1)
*Side Burn (Timelines) → Side Burn (G1)
*Sky-Byte (Timelines) → Sky-Byte (G2)
*Switchblade (Timelines) → Switchblade (BW)
*Thunderblast (Timelines) → Thunderblast (G1)
*Yoketron (Timelines) → Yoketron (G1)

The exceptions are the Descent into Evil characters, who don't really fit in any pre-existing franchise, and the Nexus Prime characters, who don't originate from a particular universe.
*Buzzclaw (Timelines)
*Dirge (Timelines)
*Flareup (Timelines)
*Landquake (Timelines)
*Ricochet (Timelines)
*Heatwave (Timelines)

Thoughts? Or does nobody really care that much? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:19, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

:Since you asked, I'll pitch 2¢ into the conversation, since I know a little bit about it. I found out the hard way that wiki "doesn't bother with '(Timelines)' for Animated." And by hard way, I mean I was clobbered over the head without a hint of explanation for proposing that a Timelines-original Animated continuity character should be at "(Timelines)." But no hard feelings. I still think "franchise of origin" and not "continuity of origin" is best for disambiguations. For reasons that have been discussed previously on the subject. TransTech and SG are treated as a kind of sub-franchises of Timelines by the wiki, so I think they are an OK exception. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:00, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

::The prose stories are identified as "Transformers Timelines presents a Transformers: (franchise) story". I would say that both franchises are equally valid to the stories, and the fact that non-Timelines stories (Around Cybertron, magazine comics, etc.) bleed together with Timelines stories makes the "(Timelines)" designation convoluted. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:12, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

:::Well, that's different. It sounds like you are calling their actual franchise of origin into question, not just their disambiguation. I don't have an opinion about their actual franchise of origin. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:28, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

::::I'm not denying that they're Timelines, but saying that they're better categorized under their other franchise. Like the Animated guys, it seems more instinctive to file [[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn (Timelines)]] under "Side Burn (G1)" instead (not to mention that there's other Side Burn in Timelines: [[Side Burn (SG)]]).[[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:38, 2 November 2011 (EDT)
I'm hesitating, but let me think about the ramifications. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:20, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

:I'd be fine with this. Though, one thing I'd like to propose is giving the Wings Universe characters their own disambiguation suffix. Like maybe "(Wings)" or something. I know it's a part of G1, but it's kinda like its own series within the over G1 continuity family like the Japanese G1 series are (which are also given their own suffixes such as "(Victory)", "(ROC)", "(BT)" etc.).

:Though, as for the Descent into Evil characters, maybe something like "(DIE)" or "(Descent)" or even just "(Descent into Evil)". Or, if not, keep them at "(Timelines)". --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 11:51, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

::I think the DIE guys are fine where they are (although you could argue moving [[Ricochet (Timelines)]] because of [[Ricochet (SG)]], but I don't really care). As for the Wings Universe guys getting their own disambiguation, eh... [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 12:02, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

::I am '''definitely absolutely''' against creating a (Wings) disambiguation when (G1) or (Timelines) work perfectly fine. We do NOT disambiguate by continuity except by absolute necessity within a franchise. Making up a (Wings) parenthetical just because incredibly confuses our disambiguation policy for no real reason. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:46, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

::And what exactly keeps the Descent into Evil guys from being tagged G1? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:29, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

:::Is the intermezzo period between G1 and BW considered G1 or BW?

:::It's all G1 characters... and IIRC the Insecticons were supposed ot be part of Insecticon plans which had been around for ages, so the characters weren't "BW-era only" characters...

:::I could support a G1 disambigif you talked me into it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:01, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

::::DIE fiction (Descent into Evil itself and [[Intimidation Game]]) has elements of both BW and G1; it doesn't have a certain franchise placement. Dirge (Timelines) and Ricochet (Timelines) also have namesakes firmly in G1. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:14, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

:::::BW is both BW and G1. And G1 has been back-incorporating BW elements since, like, 1995. The fact DIE has G1 and BW doesn't mean it's part of neither. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:25, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

::I think that, by the nature of Timelines, it feels more natural to parse that specific set of characters by their continuity or parent-franchise of origin. Honestly, I think the Nexus components (''all'' of them) are really the best and only candidates for the Timelines parser.

::Also, I made a [http://digimon.wikia.com/wiki/Template:c quick template] that you guys could use here to simplify the coding for whenever you need to link a continuity-parsed name.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 15:37, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

:::Unfortunately I don't think that template would work as well here, because our articles are not consistently named by franchise. For instance [[Lightspeed (G1 Technobot)]], [[Flattop (Autobot)]] and [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]] are all (G1) characters but don't use (G1) in their title, so the template wouldn't work for linking to them. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:05, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

:I think that Timelines is a pretty clunky franchise for the purposes of this wiki, in that it covers multiple continuities. I think the proposal on the table makes sense.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:31, 3 November 2011 (EDT)

== Two spaces after a period in a sentence ==

I've noticed this for a while on the Wiki. In practice, it makes no difference as the software displays one space the same way it displays one. However, I've been wondering why people do it. Now I '''know: They''' were taught so in school. '''By teachers who were taught on friggin' ''typewriters''.''' So the "two spaces after a period" rule is a leftover from the typewriter days, where it was a necessity, but it's completely obsolete on computers. [http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2011/01/space_invaders.html Source]--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 07:16, 4 November 2011 (EDT)
:The sentence spacing rules were, in fact, developed by typographers, but were not phased out via the magical introduction of the personal computer. The em-space rule exists for monospaced fonts, which were still fairly common for a great number of printers through the mid-1980s. If you would like to begin a tyrannical series of grammar-based wiki edits, I would begin by avoiding the use of prepositions at the start of sentences. I would also advise some respect for the proper use of colons and semi-colons, as typographical errors should not take priority over proper word selection and punctuation. Cheers! --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 14:20, 7 November 2011 (EST)
::Are you referring to sentences beginning with prepositional phrases for the sake of emphasis (also known as an introductory modifiers)? That's totally valid. Or do you mean idiocies such as relative clauses that are separated from the preceding main clause by a period instead of a comma? The most glaring typographic blunders I encounter on the wiki typically go hand in hand with awkwardly worded sentences and clunky terminology, so I'm inclined to assume the same person(s) is/are responsible for all of those.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 20:14, 8 November 2011 (EST)
:::I have bolded an example. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:14, 8 November 2011 (EST)
::::Aw, you altered your post. No fair! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:16, 8 November 2011 (EST)
:::::What'd I alter? I just moved it up. Anyway... I'd call that one "deliberate departure from proper grammar for the sake of dramatic emphasis". It's about as improper as using a period after ''every. Single. Word.'' If it's obvious from the context that it's done for emphasis, I'd call it acceptable as long as it's not used inflationary. I'm sure we have a few cases of "We know it's not proper grammar, but we want to stress a point here" on the wiki. (How did the saying go again? "Know the rules first before you break them"?)--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 20:28, 8 November 2011 (EST)
:....or you can just set the bot to convert " " to " ". Since we don't output monospace font, or anything.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 15:22, 7 November 2011 (EST)
::Over the whole wiki, those extra spaces account for maybe 20kb of data, which I don't think is worth worrying about. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:21, 8 November 2011 (EST)
:::Typed text is typed text, and the double-space after a period is still correct. Shall we next be told that we're "wrong" for not having the wiki use the metric system, or for writing down dates with the month before the day instead of after it? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:31, 8 November 2011 (EST)
::::Oh, and I bolded something too. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:36, 8 November 2011 (EST)
Due to habit, I'm gonna double-space until I die. I really don't think that needs to be considered a problem. Is that really a problem? An extra millimeter between sentences? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:51, 8 November 2011 (EST)

Nevermore ''is'' right about it being mostly obsolete, but for purely technical reasons: All double (triple, etc.) spaces are collapsed down to one for display in HTML. If you want the extra spaces to actually be viewable as extra blank space, you have to use <tt>&</tt><tt></tt><tt>nbsp;</tt>. So if you double-space here on the wiki, it only shows up when you edit the page. For whatever that's worth. (Not really taking sides, just presenting the info.) --[[Special:Contributions/67.252.49.31|67.252.49.31]] 06:08, 9 November 2011 (EST)

== More on the search box/"Transformers" everything ==

Typing "Energon" into the search box does not give me [[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon (franchise)]], [[Transformers: Energon (cartoon)|Energon (cartoon)]] or [[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon (toyline)]] as top results. Same for "Cybertron". I assume this has to do with the recent "Transformers" prefixing for article titles. However, typing "Animated" into the seach box ''does'' give me franchise and toyline as top results, so it should be ''possible'' despite the prefixing.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 07:36, 6 November 2011 (EST)
:It's purely alphabetical, dude. ''Animated'' shows up before ''Arcee (Animated)'' because "An" precedes "Ar", whereas ''Arcee (Energon)'' comes up before ''Energon'' because "A" precedes "E". --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 08:13, 6 November 2011 (EST)
::There's an option in the search suggest tool to limit the results to stuff starting with the search query rather than with stuff with the term anywhere in their titles, however it's not something that can be configured through MediaWiki. There's a bit of discussion about it in the "Making the search suggestion work better" section up above. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 14:36, 6 November 2011 (EST)
:::If we wanted to do ''that'', when we shouldn't have prefixed "Transformers:" before hundreds of articles 3 weeks ago. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:06, 19 November 2011 (EST)
::::We still have the titles without "Transformers: " as redirects though, so they'll still show up. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:23, 19 November 2011 (EST)

== Spam-dalism ==

Is that the neologism for it? Anyway, somehow the ReCaptcha is failing to stop the automated spam, and I'm guessing the IP's are all very different.

How old are the accounts when they do this? If they're fairly new, would it be possible to simply block IPs and new accounts from inserting new external links? If not (or if that's unworkable), would it be possible to flag such edits for review the way that wikipedia does to edits on contested pages?

Also, is there any chance these are at least coming from the same proxy? The fact that they're getting past ReCaptcha makes it seem like these are actual people doing this, unless ReCaptcha only activates on certain namespaces.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 14:25, 18 November 2011 (EST)
:I was using captcha with images on my phpBB installation on another site (Doctor Who related) until yesterday and getting a half dozen spammers a day signing up in despite of it. Yesterday I switched to a Question Answer challenge which asks the person registering to name the main character's time machine, and so far it has stopped the spammers dead.
:MediaWiki has [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:QuestyCaptcha QuestyCaptcha] which looks like it works in exactly the same way, and works with the ConfirmEdit extension we already have installed. If we can get that installed and set up, it might be more effective than the image-based system we use now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:39, 18 November 2011 (EST)
::What would the questions be? It can't be too obvious or too obscure. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 17:31, 18 November 2011 (EST)
:::Not necessarily. The question I'm using on my Doctor Who site is obvious if you have any knowledge at all of the source material, but it seems to be working. We can always start with something easy and see how we go. Most likely all of the spammers are using bots anyway. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:49, 18 November 2011 (EST)
::::"What is the name of the red-and-blue semi Autobot?", "What's the name of the blue casette player Decepticon?", or "What is the name of the yellow semi Micromaster Autobot with a hydraulic crane?"[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 17:50, 18 November 2011 (EST)
::::: "What is the fandom's usual reaction when a new franchise is announced?" :p [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 17:56, 18 November 2011 (EST)
::::::<tt>If Dick has two apples and Jane has two apples, how many apples do they have? (3 letters.)</tt> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:09, 19 November 2011 (EST)
::Ah, but then it would be so easy for users to use only three exclamation marks, and forget the requisite four exclamation marks and a 1.
::No but yeah, a question helps a lot. Might even be worth doing for all IP edits and new accounts, not just those with external links.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 15:57, 19 November 2011 (EST)
::While we're on the subject, is it somehow possible to flag certain terms or words used by IP editors and auto-block them? *coughcoughobamacoughcough*[[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 16:31, 19 November 2011 (EST)
:::...but we have an article on [[Barack Obama|Barry Obama]].
:::Are you trying to whitewash the wiki? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:13, 19 November 2011 (EST)
:::: It was just an academic question; after all, I'm sure that you've noticed our considerable problem with a certain IP editor lately. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 17:19, 19 November 2011 (EST)
::::: Well yes... but I couldn't resist. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:43, 19 November 2011 (EST)
:::It's getting to the point where I'm thinking a temp ban on the whole ISP might get better results. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:51, 19 November 2011 (EST)
::::sooo...who would you need to talk to about getting this set up, and what exactly do you want to restrict?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 19:45, 21 November 2011 (EST)
:::::The guy whose IP addresses are always located in England who keeps vandalizing articles with Obama-related nonsense. Doesn't look like even banning IP ranges stops him. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:01, 22 November 2011 (EST)
:::::...so, there's no way to stop this lunatic? [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 11:09, 22 November 2011 (EST)
:Options, in order of severity:
#Block all new uses of the word "Obama" to all anonymous editors.
#Block anonymous editors entirely.
#Destroy England.
:But really, that's a separate issue with probably a separate solution, since the guy is a some kind of being. To deal with the spamdalism, I think you guys should add a "name that Transformer-mon!" question, which should cut down heavily on automated edits, and if they still get through, look at blocking all uses of external links for anonymous or new editors. The use of the question for all IP edits is fairly standard, so it should be easy to implement, and you can look into harsher measures if the bots still make it through. However, I really think you guys should make an effort to get this setup, because the conversation keeps kind of drifting down and the vandalism keeps happening.[[Special:Contributions/98.223.102.157|98.223.102.157]] 02:29, 23 November 2011 (EST)
:: On another note... isn't it cute how he keps trying to badly pass himself off as me? I think someone has a bad case of hero-worship. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 10:09, 23 November 2011 (EST)
:::Please stop egging on vandals. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:05, 23 November 2011 (EST)
::: OK, on a more serious note, is anyone averse to just locking the wiki for a few days? Bulbapedia does it regularily and they don't have much of a vandalism problem. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 12:36, 23 November 2011 (EST)
Removing the "Undo" option for anons would help, at the very least. We need a regular tech person (or give abates access to the MediaWiki stuff, since he seems to know his way around). [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:12, 25 November 2011 (EST)
::: What if we implemented a captcha system for anon edits? I mean, it wouldn't ''stop'' them, per se, but it would make persistent vandalism wars a hassle. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 14:16, 25 November 2011 (EST)
::::I would not be opposed to that, or simple stock questions. ("Who is the leader of the Autobots?", "What is two plus three?", etc.) [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:23, 25 November 2011 (EST)
:::: Rodimus Prime? :p
::::: But seriously, how did Mr. Obama Guy get past the rangeblock? Because that's rather worrysome in and of itself. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 14:26, 25 November 2011 (EST)
::::::BT Internet has a lot of IP ranges. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:58, 25 November 2011 (EST)

Okay. Listen. 
1) CAPTCHA won't change crap. It ''might'' stop a small number of bot edits, but we have a large, active mod presence that basically polices this place around the clock, and any of those crappy ad pages can be eliminated in mere minutes, if not within seconds of their creation. 
2) There is basically '''''NOTHING''''' that can be done to ''stop'' someone who has decided that the best use of their time is constant, repeated, easily-reverted vandalism of a wiki. Well, okay there are a few options, but they're not ones any kind of wiki coding is gonna be part of. They'll find ways around bans, and all these automated things that are being suggested are basically shooting blind and wasting time. This is not remotely the first time someone has thought to do this. It won't be the last. But we've outlasted all those others. And that's all it takes. Again... that large active 24-hour admin presence that quickly and coolly reverts the vandalism ''without getting all butthurt''. That's what vandals want, to watch you get pissy and panicky and angry... ''and that's what you're giving them.'' So '''''shut up''''' and stop feeding that, then they'll eventually get bored and leave. 
3) I can perhaps get behind removing the "Undo" option for anons. I don't think though that it will really help much, since making an account takes what, a few seconds? 
--[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:38, 25 November 2011 (EST)
:Um. I don't want to offend anyone, but the Obama-guy thing ''really'' isn't related to this topic, although some of the solutions to the spamdalism thing might work to hinder him. The bigger issue is the guys spamming the wiki with links to knockoff viagra, sort of thing, and putting up a simple question system for anons and new editors would work to stop that almost completely, at least everywhere I've seen it in use.
:The mod presence, yeah, things eventually get cleaned up by the end of the day, but a simple, standard change like adding the question will prevent that from happening in the first place.[[Special:Contributions/99.39.88.159|99.39.88.159]] 22:44, 26 November 2011 (EST)
:Just to alleviate any concerns: In my experience, the question captcha does not prevent human edits except from the most severely uninformed editors, and it completely prevents the bot-spam, which at this point almost totally covers the RC when I happen to check it. Many other independent wikis, such as Halopedian, use the question captcha, so if you guys wanted a first-person POV on it, you could also ask them for their experiences. Basically, the captcha question should totally eliminate the bot-spam, with the only drawback being that it adds maybe a fraction of a second to anonymous human edits. So, given that, does anyone have any objections to adding the captcha question?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 13:09, 1 December 2011 (EST)--(same anon as throughout this topic)

== Spelling throughout the Wiki ==

I've found that, on multiple spots on the Wiki, there are UK English spellings of words. Now, I know that the Transformers Wiki is a country-spanning project, but I'd like a consensus on whether or not we should change incidences of UK spellings (like "practise" and "polarize") to their American English counterparts. A streamlined flow using only one dialect would, I believe, make the editing process much easier. However, I do not want a backlash from UK users. 
P.S.: Damn you, Webster! You and your new-world dictionary! [[User:TheMZone|TheMZone]] 18:09, 23 November 2011 (EST)
:[[Help:Style guide#National varieties of English|Here is the wiki's policy on the subject]] just so you know. I myself don't think it needs changing. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:20, 23 November 2011 (EST)

Category:Shining Armor issues

2018-12-09T00:32:08Z

Bluestreak7:

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*[[Shining Armor issue 1|#1]]
*[[Shining Armor issue 2|#2]]
*[[Shining Armor issue 3|#3]]
*[[Shining Armor issue 4|#4]]
*[[Shining Armor issue 5|#5]]
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[[Category:Shining Armor]]

Commercial/The Last Knight

2018-12-09T00:27:16Z

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Following in the footsteps of the first four live action films, ''Transformers: The Last Knight'' had its explosively large advertising campaign.

==Theatrical trailers==
* '''Teaser #1''' [https://www.instagram.com/p/BFfCGhRoMmW/]
Released [[May 17]], [[2016]], the first teaser for the movie features a static image of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] with Optimus Prime's voice in the background and a cut to the title logo.

* '''Teaser #2''' [https://www.instagram.com/p/BGFE1yyoMle/]
Released [[May 31]], [[2016]], the second teaser features a static image of [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] with growling noises in the background and a cut to the title logo.

* '''Trailer #1''' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyVKK87hYYM]
Released [[December 5]], [[2016]]. "It has been said... through the ages... without sacrifice, there can be no victory." "''From director Michael Bay''" "Two species at war - one flesh, one metal. Optimus Prime has left us. One hundred billion trillion planets in the cosmos... You want to know, don't you? Why they keep coming here?" "I want to stay... and I want to fight them." "And now, two worlds colliding... only one survives." "Oh my God." "Forgive me."

The trailer features a cover of the song ''Do You Realize??'' by [[Ursine Vulpine]] (Frederick Lloyd).

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==TV Spots==
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==Online==
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*'''Optimus Prime Dialogue Coach''' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7toS4s_79ZA]
Behind the scenes of the [[United Kingdom]] set, Optimus tests the patience of a dialect coach who is annoyed as he doesn't even try to make a British accent.
** In Brazil, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8rPEdRxZjA&list=PLsX3_DFG6oLPVL8T_lI1tEfti8U5tIWub seven dubbed versions of that commercial] (all featuring [[Guilherme Briggs]] as Optimus and Nádia Carvalho as the coach) have Optimus struggling to say regional slang from various Brazilian states.

==Toys==
*'''Deluxe & Voyager Class''' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xngO6v6R2ck] (30-second version) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_QLYA6HyBw] (15-second version)
:Narration: Unknown.
:''Toy segment'': Several shots of Optimus Prime's truck mode was shown, before it slowly transforms into robot mode by hand.
:''Notes'': Includes tail-end spot for the first waves of Deluxes & Voyagers.
:''For eons, they have lived among you, hiding in plain sight, waiting to become, more than meets the eye.''
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[[File:TF-TLK-Knight-Armor-CM-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Knight Armor Turbo Changers''' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrbcFO-kBdw] (20-second version) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KShGsFSdSI4] (15-second version) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fk1qa_aLq4] (6-second version)
:Narration: Some guy that sounds like Sir Edmond.
:''Toy segment'': Knight Armor Turbo Changer Optimus Prime toy being transformed into robot by a kid. The battle mask gimmick was later shown in the tail-end of the commercial.
:''Kidmation'': A blonde kid looks at a statue before he transforms a Knight Armor Turbo Changer Optimus Prime toy. And then, the kid imagines himself in a medieval battle field, and sees the arrival of Optimus Prime, and raises his toy and shouts "Knight Armor!" and Optimus Prime converts his Battle Mask.
:''Take Optimus Prime from a hero, to a legend!''
{{-}}

*'''Bumblebee Knight Armor Turbo Changer''' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me7kF9KnlBs] (30-second version) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npesIxZfkPo] (16-second version)
:Narration: Unknown.
:''Toy segment'': tbd
:''Answer the call of destiny.''

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*'''Transformers & Enterprise''' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07MDqPvv2b8]
:Narration: Unknown
:''Toy segment'': Megatron and Barricade being crashed by puny Enterprise toy cars, and Optimus Prime beating down Berserker.
:''Kidmation'': An African-American kid saying "How do you like that Customer Service, Megatron?" while he topples Megatron with a car, And a blonde kid saying "You just got ''sold''!" while crashing his car to poor, poor Barricade. Later, the kids gave a "whoa!" and high fives to each other.
:''The Decepticons are back, and the Autobots need help...from Enterprise!
:''Note'': First look to the samples of Deluxe Class Bumblebee, Crosshairs, Drift, and Leader Class Megatron & Optimus Prime.
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[[Category:Commercials]]

Fassad

2018-12-09T00:21:44Z

Bluestreak7: unnecessary

:''Fassad is a human from the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]] portion of the [[live-action film series|live action]] [[continuity family]].''

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General '''Fassad''' is an officer of some importance in the [[Egypt]]ian armed forces.

==Fiction==
===''Revenge of the Fallen'' novelization===
After [[William Lennox]]'s team bailed out of their cargo plane over [[Egypt]], Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff [[Morshower]] wanted to know what was going on over there. His satellite surveillance told him that all was well, but the communication black out made him suspicious. He contacted the [[Jordan]]ians and General Fassad of Egypt for assistance. He wanted General Fassad to clear reconnaissance overflights.

Once images of the battle of [[Aqaba]] came back to Morshower he set off to get as much military support as he could to the area in support of Lennox's team. He once again asked for General Fassad's assistance in sending his armor south. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|Revenge of the Fallen (novel)}}

==Notes==
*General Fassad does not appear in the novel, but Morshower orders his subordinates to contact him.
*We think General Fassad is from Egypt, but the novel is a little unclear on this point.

[[Category:Prose-only characters]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen humans]]

Rung (G1)

2018-11-08T16:23:53Z

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:''Rung is an [[Autobot]] from the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW portion]] of the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:Rungisolated LostLight4cvr.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5|"Tell me again about your mother."]]

The Autobots have this, you know, psy-ops specialist. He's red, right? Orangey-red? And tiny? Basically defenseless? Does anyone remember his name? It's something like... Ring? Rong? Rang? Dang. It's on the tip of my tongue. He files these reports, you know, for [[Autopedia]]? He's written entries for each Autobot, from [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] to [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]] to Red Alert again. As part of his duties, he performs the mental assessments of potential [[Wrecker]]s-to-be. He's very important. He's got... these huge eyebrows. You gotta know who this is describing, right? Collects and builds model spacecraft? Seriously. What's his name?

Oh, right! '''Rung'''! Thanks.

Or maybe Wrung. Who knows, really.

==Fiction==
===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
{{first|[[Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 1|''Last Stand of the Wreckers'' #1]] (prose); [[Chaos Theory Part 1|'' The Transformers'' vol. 1 #22]] (comic)}}

[[File:MtMtEAnn2012-TheGuidingHand.jpg|thumb|left|300px|The popular depictions of Primus and the Guiding Hand that would later surface in Cybertron's history bore little resemblance to the genuine articles.]]

The robot who would become known as '''Primus''' was supposedly the first [[Transformer]] to come into existence, bearing the unique serial number of "000000001". {{storylink|Crucible (Part 5): The Unremembering|The Unremembering}} One legend states that the original Cybertronian first learned that he could [[transformation|transform]] twelve million years ago, in the land that would one day become [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 1: How to Say Goodbye and Mean It|How to Say Goodbye and Mean It}}

In many ways, Primus was no different from the rest of the Cybertronian race that would one day come into existence, but was marked by several unique traits that no other Cybertronian displayed: he possessed supernatural durability, able to recover from wounds that no other Transformers could survive; {{storylink|Rules of Disengagement (issue)|Rules of Disengagement}} more importantly, however, he was able to manufacture [[photonic crystal]]s, which were able to indefinitely store the energies of a [[spark]]. {{storylink|Crucible (Part 5): The Unremembering|The Unremembering}} He was soon followed by a quartet of robots like himself, and together they would be remembered in mythology as the "[[Guiding Hand]]," each remembered as embodying an aspect of the Cybertronian race: [[Mortilus]], death, [[Epistemus]], wisdom, [[Solomus]], knowledge, and [[Adaptus]], change. {{storylink|Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations|You, Me, and Other Revelations}} {{storylink|Crucible (Part 5): The Unremembering|The Unremembering}}

[[File:LL-23-GuidingHandWar.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Behold the power of the Guiding Hand! Adaptus uses deadly laser blasts! Mortilus wields the Power Cosmic! Primus... has a stick!]]

Before long, [[hot spot]]s ignited across Cybertron, giving rise to the planet's first generation. {{storylink|Crucible (Part 5): The Unremembering|The Unremembering}} Supposedly, Primus delivered his [[Prime Pastoral]] on the site that would one day become the [[Crystal City]], and consorted with the [[Titan (IDW)|Titan]]s [[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]], [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] and [[Chela]]. {{storylink|Origin Myths}} Primus's many titles included the "Celestial Architect" and the "Mechanica Divine", {{storylink|The Everlasting Voices (1): Metastasis|Metastasis}} and the [[Primal Sacrament]] attributed the famous verse "Survive and Thrive" to Primus. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 2: Anomie|Anomie}}

At some point in the past, Primus used his ability to generate photonic crystals to create the divine artifact known as the [[Matrix of Leadership]], which subsequently fell into the care of the [[Knights of Cybertron]]. {{storylink|The Everlasting Voices (3): You Are Here|You Are Here}} The Guiding Hand ruled benevolently for some time, even transforming the planet into a utopia, but tensions arose when Adaptus, worrying that their way of life would only lead to stagnation, sought to wage war against the races of the universe so as to encourage expansion. Primus and the other members of the Hand refused, and so the treacherous Adaptus battled his former comrades in what would be known as the "[[God War]]", deploying a legion of experimental horrors from his base on [[Moonbase One|Cybertron's first moon]]. {{storylink|Crucible (Part 5): The Unremembering|The Unremembering}} {{storylink|The Everlasting Voices (2): The God War|The God War}}

[[File:TheUnremembering-informationcreep.jpg|thumb|left|300px|Forget him not.]]

When it became clear that Adaptus could not win against his brothers, he retreated to his lunar base and readied a massive electromagnetic blast that would leave the population of Cybertron confused and disoriented so that he could flee aboard his retrofitted moon, introducing the neurological phenomenon "[[information creep]]" to the planet. Primus sought to take as much of this blast as he could bear; in doing so, however, his memories of his origins and identity were garbled beyond repair, the fallout from the blast rendering him "permanently forgettable" so that nobody on Cybertron would be able to clearly remember him. {{storylink|Crucible (Part 5): The Unremembering|The Unremembering}}

Legends of Primus's existence continued on, however; in many religious sects, Primus would become remembered as a mighty warrior-god, "the clenched fist that became the Guiding Hand", {{storylink|Dissolution Part 2: Anomie|Anomie}} by literally dividing his essence into their being. Those same legends would come to demonize ''Mortilus'' as the evil member of the Guiding Hand, and the nature of Primus's final sacrifice became distorted by information creep—many would claim that, when the rest of the Guiding Hand had been trapped and deceived into giving up their divine forms, Primus had struck down Mortilus in their final battle, and the wounded god survived only by becoming the life-giving supercomputer [[Vector Sigma]]. {{storylink|Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations|You, Me, and Other Revelations}} {{storylink|The Everlasting Voices (2): The God War|The God War}}

[[File:Unicron-1-PrimusUnicronLegend.jpg|thumb|right|300px|A different version of the Primus myth hewed closer to the [[Primus#Toys|classic interpretation]] of the character.]]

A different story remembered Primus as the first Cybertronian, who supposedly dueled his dreaded "[[Unicron/Generation 1|opposite]]" in a war that predated the universe itself; in this permutation of the myth, Primus triumphed and became Cybertron itself. {{storylink|Unicron issue 1|Unicron #1}} At some point afterwards, the Knights of Cybertron left their homeworld, taking the Matrix with them, and in the absence of the Guiding Hand or their original acolytes, Cybertronian civilization descended into barbarism. {{storylink|The Everlasting Voices (3): You Are Here|You Are Here}} {{storylink|The Crucible}}

What became of the real Primus in this era is unknown; his influence was still felt, however, by the various primitive tribes that sprung up across Cybertron. One such group, an alliance of [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]s, commissioned the construction of the [[Crystal City]] to honor the ground where he had once stood. This would prove convenient for "[[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Onyx Prime]]", who painted a new flag to symbolize the alliance of the [[Thirteen]] and dubbed it the "First Face", claiming that it had been based off Metrotitan's description of the countenance of Primus. {{storylink|Origin Myths}} In time, however, a more secular culture would grip Cybertron, and fewer and fewer individuals came to see Primus and the other members of the Guiding Hand as concrete deities. {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 1: All Our Parlous Yesterdays|All Our Parlous Yesterdays}} {{storylink|Chaos Theory Part 2}} {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 5: Future Glories Lost|Future Glories Lost}}

When Primus himself reemerged, some seven million years ago, it was in the humble shape of '''Rung of the [[Pious Pools]]''', {{storylink|Little Victories}} a quiet, unassuming 'bot who was content to remain in the background. Rung had indeed forgotten everything about his origins—even interpreting his serial number upside down, leading him and everyone around him to believe that he was number 100000000. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 1: How to Say Goodbye and Mean It|How to Say Goodbye and Mean It}} Rung himself assumed that he remained so forgettable because of his [[mode attachment]], leaving everyone to get used to him. {{storylink|Signal to Noise}} In spite of this, he was one of [[Kup (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Kup]]'s oldest friends. {{storylink|Zero Point}}

Early into his new life, Rung was known to have lived in the [[Vinvissius Canals]] for a time, but left his home behind before they were redeveloped into the Vinvissisus Heights. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}} {{storylink|Dissolution Part 5: Modes of Production|Modes of Production}} As [[Nova Prime]] took the reins of Cybertronian civilization after the [[First Cybertronian Civil War]] and began his campaign of [[Expansion]], he required a massive population boom to maintain a sizeable interstellar colonization force. Rung somehow found himself pressed into the task of manufacturing enough photonic crystals to house the vast amount of sparks "bled" from the Matrix of Leadership during the event known as the "[[Silver Harvest]]". {{storylink|Remain in Light 3 of 5: The Divided Self|The Divided Self}} {{storylink|Dissolution Part 5: Modes of Production|Modes of Production}}

At some point afterwards, Rung forgot that he had been responsible for the creation of so many sparks, and, like most Cybertronians, came to believe that the crystals were artificially made. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 5: Modes of Production|Modes of Production}} Eventually, he chose to move into the field of psychotherapy, and by six million years ago, his "Rungian analysis" therapy was already in common parlance. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 1: How to Say Goodbye and Mean It|How to Say Goodbye and Mean It}} Though Rung was originally slated to join the crew of the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark-1]]'', he was recalled at the last second, as the [[Senate]] allegedly needed him. {{storylink|Speak, Memory: Part 1}}

During the reign of [[Nominus Prime]], Rung ran afoul of the [[Functionist Council]], as his strange alternate mode presented a unique problem: not even Rung himself knew the purpose of his alternate mode anymore, threatening to undermine their [[functionism|entire philosophy]] and the [[Grand Cybertronian Taxonomy]]. Rung was subjected to repeated and rigorous tests, to "reassure" other Cybertronians, he was forced to wear a false wheel on his back so as to fake an alternate mode. Eventually, even the Functionists found themselves stumped as to what Rung's purpose could be and so the problem was neatly sidestepped by creating a new entry in the [[Grand Cybertronian Taxonomy]] specifically for Rung's altmode: they classified him as an "[[Ornament class|ornament]]". {{storylink|Little Victories}}

Rung was subsequently employed by the Senate as a patho-psychologist alongside [[Froid]], {{storylink|Births, Deaths, and Interventions}} and though Froid claimed that they were friends, they endured a heated rivalry, clashing over the proper use of personality adjustment treatments {{storylink|Births, Deaths, and Interventions}} and eventually culminating in Froid ''stealing'' the [[Froidian Classification System]] of personality types from Rung.{{storylink|The Sensuous Frame}} {{storylink|Speak, Memory: Part 1}}

[[File:Stet-Rungwhistle.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.1|They see me rolling...]]

In 4th Cycle 499, Rung was returning to his wellbeing clinic when a time-traveling [[Brainstorm (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Brainstorm]] attacked him with electric knuckledusters, knocking the psychiatrist unconscious. {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 2: Stet|Stet}}

In 51st Cycle 500, Rung travelled to [[Mining Outpost C-12|Croteus 12]] after a secret Senate session amended the law to require two signatures on requests for [[shadowplay|personality adjustments]]. His arrival interrupted the use of the procedure on the exiled revolutionary [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]], which had been approved by Froid. However, before Rung could assess whether he would countersign the operation, an underground energy surge prompted a complete evacuation of the facility. {{storylink|Births, Deaths, and Interventions}}

Once Zeta Prime rose to power, Rung served as a psychotherapist under the new Autobot regime. He provided literature and adjustment assistance to bots undergoing body augmentation or retrofitting, including the New Senate operative [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Orion Pax]]. {{storylink|Omega's Conundrum}} At some point, Rung served aboard the Autobot vessel ''[[Fateful Archetype]].'' This would prove to be the source of one of his darkest secrets: after getting too close to a patient aboard the vessel, Rung had been disbarred from practicing medicine by a tribunal... but when that ship crashed, Rung's supernatural durability meant that he was the only survivor, with nobody else aware of the events aboard. Froid would use this as leverage over his rival. {{storylink|Speak, Memory: Part 1}} Serving aboard more ships, Rung picked up a hobby of making models of every ship he'd been part of. {{storylink|Speak, Memory: Part 1}}

After Zeta's death and the outbreak of the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]], Rung was present during a battle that saw [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] and [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] clash. {{storylink|Primacy issue 4|Primacy #4}}

As the war continued, [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] became one of Rung's patients. He'd stay one of Rung's patients for six centuries, his paranoia so bad it took ninety-seven sessions before he let Rung see his face, two hundred eighty-eight sessions before he told Rung his '''real''' name, and three hundred thirty-two sessions before he stopped recording their conversations. {{storylink|How Ratchet Got His Hands Back}}

Rung did a psychological evaluation of [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]] before his trial for [[Squadron X|unlawful executions]]. He ended up being physically assaulted and threatened with extreme violence if he tried 'putting ideas' in Impactor's head, but managed to calm the situation down. In the end, Rung was left questioning whether Autobot High Command shared the blame for Impactor's crimes for turning a blind eye to the robot's growing psychopathy. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 5|Impactor's Autopedia entry}}

Over time, Froid and other rivals inflicted irreparable damage on Rung's reputation. Long after their deaths, Rung would write papers but never distribute them. {{storylink|Signal to Noise}} With his reputation wrecked, Rung left Cybertron. {{storylink|Speak, Memory: Part 1}}

Rung later performed a pre-mission psych-screening on new Wreckers [[Rotorstorm (G1)|Rotorstorm]], [[Ironfist (G1)|Ironfist]], [[Pyro (G1)|Pyro]], and [[Guzzle (G1)|Guzzle]] to estimate if they were suited to be put on the [[Garrus-9]] case. Rung was unimpressed by Rotorstorm's unrelenting bragging and joking, and found himself cutting through the charade when he mentioned [[Simanzi Massacre|Simanzi]]. Taking note of his dual personality, Rung declared him cleared for mission. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 1|Rotorstorm's Autopedia entry}} With Pyro, he diagnosed the robot as an extreme sufferer of [[Primus apotheosis]] and noted with sadness that the robot was suppressing his own engaging personality for a copy of another's. He cleared Pyro with reservations, noting that apotheosis sufferers were known for sacrificing themselves. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 5|Pyro's Autopedia entry}} With Guzzle, he cleared the 'bot as having personality flaws but no real psychological flaws, though he was unnerved by his disturbing habit of playing with his gun's safety. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 5|Guzzle's Autopedia entry}}

When screening Ironfist, he was impressed by his enthusiasm and knowledge, but not so much by his actual combat experience and mentality. Rung advised against Ironfist's participation, but retracted his negative conclusion when he received 'unsolicited advice' from [[Prowl (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|an undisclosed party]]. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 4|Ironfist's Autopedia entry}}

[[File:Chaos3-KimiaSurvivors.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|At least Rung's right there to treat any outbreaks of claustrophobia.]]
Rung treated the shell-shocked Autobot [[Flattop (Autobot)|Flattop]]. He discovered Flattop was a survivor of the [[Babu Yar]] atrocity, but that was not his immediate problem. What pushed him over the edge this time was an encounter with the [[Shimmer]]. Rung tried to give rational explanations for the appearance of Shimmer, but Flattop died right there in his office. {{storylink|Bullets}}

Kup, one of Rung's oldest friends, asked him to examine [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] after a [[zero point]] affliction had left him in a coma. Believing that certain emotional triggers could cause Springer's subconscious to force his [[spark]] across the zero point, Rung asked [[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]] to read ''[[Wreckers: Declassified]]'' datalogs to him in hopes that the memories would have some effect. {{storylink|Zero Point}}

Rung was among the survivors of [[Cyclonus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Cyclonus]]'s attack on [[Kimia Facility]]. He and the others drifted in a cramped escape pod for some time until they were rescued by [[Arcee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Arcee]]. {{storylink|Chaos Part Three: Kings|Kings}} {{storylink|Chaos Part Four: Genesis|Genesis}}

[[File:LiarsAtoD3-RungSkids.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.67|This large panel is the source of 80% of Transformers-related shipping on Tumblr.]]
After Cybertron was reborn in the wake of the [[D-Void]]'s defeat, Rung joined [[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rodimus]]'s crew on the ''[[Lost Light]]'' in search for the [[Knights of Cybertron]]. Before he could get on the ship, his arm was detached by a wildly flying Cyclonus. {{Storylink|Liars, A to D Part 1: How to Say Goodbye and Mean It|How to Say Goodbye and Mean It}} After getting his arm repaired in [[Ratchet (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ratchet]]'s care, Rung was choked by an irrational and unresponsive [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]]. The psychiatrist managed to get him to release his grip when he reminded Whirl that he would go back to prison, forever, if he didn't stay in line. When [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] joined the crew, Rung informed him of their quest. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 2: Hangers On|Hangers On}} Rung later had a close call with a [[Sparkeater (creature)|Sparkeater]], but was saved by Skids. Rodimus used the two to lure the Sparkeater so he could defeat it. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 3: The Chaos of Warm Things|The Chaos of Warm Things}}

As a result of his almost never using it, the nature of Rung's [[alternate mode]] became the subject of a 100 [[shanix]] wager between [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] and [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]]. A early blow in this "war" came when Swerve repeatedly threw a hand grenade at the back of Rung's head, hoping to trigger an involuntary mode change. {{storylink|Little Victories}}

[[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]], previously thought cured, returned to therapy shortly after the launch of the ''Lost Light''. Rung was concerned that all the progress they had made on Red Alert's rampant paranoia over the years was coming undone. Red Alert informed Rung that he was hearing noises coming from a crack in the floor of the Sparkeater's chamber. He gave him a recording of the noise which Rung vaguely recognized as a voice, albeit tremendously slowed-down. When they sped the sound up, the words "kill...me" could be identified. {{storylink|How Ratchet Got His Hands Back}}

Rung held a session with the newly returned [[Fortress Maximus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Fortress Maximus]], whose mental state had been called into question after he had suffered torture and humiliation at the hands of [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]] for three years. Rung urged him to open up and explore his trauma, to no avail. Maximus later snapped and went on a rampage across the ''Lost Light'', gunning down Autobots that reminded him of Overlord. Rung was in the middle of a session with Whirl when Max broke in and took them both hostage. Rung was bound to his chair and Whirl was overpowered and pinned to the ground. Rung tried to reason with Maximus, while simultaneously recording and broadcasting what was happening in his office through the microphone in his thumb. When Maximus noticed it, he tore Rung's thumb off.

[[File:Rung FortMax Interiors.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|"Wait! I'm starting to come down with Stockholm syndrome...handsome!"]]
As the situation dragged on, Rung continued to try and break through to Maximus. Max kept dodging the issue, pinning the reason for his actions on [[Prowl (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Prowl]]'s delay in sending help to [[Garrus-9]], instead of acknowledging that Overlord was at the root of his psychosis. Maximus then confronted Whirl, who told Maximus about his life. Rung expressed wonder at this, as there were details that Whirl told Maximus that he had never told Rung. Whirl replied that Rung had never threatened any of his friends, to Rung's visible surprise. When a holo-image of Overlord torturing him was projected into the room by Rewind, Maximus froze up and crumbled to his knees. Rung tenderly comforted him and the hostage situation appeared to be at an end. Unfortunately, a shot from Swerve meant to disable Fortress Maximus instead hit Rung in the head. A memorial service was later held for Rung, which Rodimus presided over. {{storylink|Interiors}}

Surprisingly, Rung's spark and [[brain module]] ''survived'' and the medical staff believed he might pull through: something Ratchet said was akin to a miracle. Later, after a visit by [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] and a horrified Swerve, Red Alert came to see the comatose psychiatrist. Believing that Rung's near-death was a result of the recording he had played to Rung, the paranoid security officer said he couldn't tell anyone else the truth he'd discovered—the voice was Overlord's, the sadistic Decepticon "strung up and sedated" in the bowels of the ''Lost Light''. Expecting to be killed himself, he left a [[data slug]] of his findings in Rung's hand and said goodbye. Unfortunately, a [[Diagnostic Drone]] had recorded Red Alert's confession, and summoned a mysterious figure who removed the slug... {{storylink|Rules of Disengagement (issue)|Rules of Disengagement}} After the ''Lost Light''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s encounter with a [[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]], Swerve explained his religious interpretation of events to the comatose Rung. {{storylink|Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations|You, Me, and Other Revelations}}

[[File:CybertronianHomesickBlues-SkidsRung.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.1|How much is the bill?]]
After Rung's head was rebuilt, it took hours of patient work from [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] to get Rung to be able to distinguish between people and objects. Then it took Swerve talking for ''147 hours straight'' to get Rung to move again (placing a finger over Swerve's mouth). With Rung still locked into the fog of his own thoughts, {{storylink|Signal to Noise}} Rewind decided that they could help repair the psychiatrist's brain by telling him a story: hearing stories required the brain to use its cognitive functions. He assembled a group of Autobots who'd all been part of interlinked events and tried to use the story to kick-start Rung's brain. And then he tried again. {{storylink|Shadowplay, Part 2: Patternism|Patternism}} Not knowing when to try a different tack and intending to finally talk to Rung about [[Dominus Ambus]] {{storylink|No Guns, No Swords, No Briefcases}}, he then tried a third time with a group of 'Bots who had been involved in a chain of events during the [[Clampdown (event)|Clampdown]] and prompted them to talk about it. {{storylink|Shadowplay, Part 1: Post Hoc|Post Hoc}} Rewind checked Rung again during the story later and still found no mental signs in him {{storylink|Shadowplay, Part 2: Patternism|Patternism}} and he still showed no signs when the story was finished. Seeing that Rewind was on the wrong track, Skids tried a simpler idea, drawing from the sheer number of connections the psychiatrist had made during his lifespan without leaving an impact on many. He deliberately got his name wrong several times in front of him, and an irritated Rung immediately said his name was "Rung. Forever." {{storylink|Shadowplay (Conclusion): An Intimate Beheading|An Intimate Beheading}}

After being fully repaired and helping Brainstorm develop [[Holomatter|holomatter avatars]] that could reflect an Autobot's inner psyche, he went down to [[Hedonia]] for shore leave with Swerve, Skids, Tailgate, Rewind and Cyclonus, Whirl, and Ultra Magnus, who just tagged along. The group spent the evening between a bar {{storylink|Cybertronian Homesick Blues}} and a gift shop, where the sight of a memory stick caused the psychiatrist to remember his last conversation with Red Alert. {{storylink|Signal to Noise}} After a violent outburst from Cyclonus saw the group leave the bar, Rung helped bring an unconscious Ultra Magnus back to the shuttle. {{storylink|Cybertronian Homesick Blues}} Back aboard the ''Lost Light'', Rung shared Red Alert's concerns with Rodimus, but the ship's captain claimed to have greater priorities than immediately investigating. {{storylink|Signal to Noise}}

[[File:MTMTE22 Rung's alternate mode.jpg|thumb|upright=1.7|Maybe he turns into a Playstation Move.]]
As part of the ongoing bet, Tailgate attempted to have Rung transform as part of an "alt-mode party", although the psychiatrist wound up simply bemused. When the ''[[Vis Vitalis]]'' contacted the ''Lost Light'', Rung was excited at the prospect of meeting its captain, the superlative [[Thunder Clash|Thunderclash]]. However, the famous Autobot wound up held at gunpoint by his First Officer [[Paddox]], who had been revealed as an [[Ammonite]] spy. Rung was instrumental in saving the day, allowing Swerve to wield his "ornamental" alt mode as a blunt instrument with which to bludgeon the aggressor. Rung was also interviewed by Rewind, as part of the documentary the archivist was producing. {{storylink|Little Victories}}

Rung visited Fortress Maximus in the ship's brig, where he forgave the ex-warden for the events surrounding the psychiatrist's near-death. Their moment was interrupted, however, by an alarm signaling Overlord's escape into the ship. In the battle that followed, Rung mostly watched helplessly from the sidelines. {{storylink|Under Cold Blue Stars}}

After Overlord's defeat, Rodimus was left despondent and angry, and made angrier when Rung, correctly, realised his problem was that ''others'' had stopped Overlord and not him. At the funerals, Rung's stern, silent glance got Rodimus to admit that others, including the poor, dead Rewind, had saved the day. {{storylink|The Gloaming}} Speaking truth to power got Rung drafted for a mission to the legendary [[Moonbase One|Luna 1]], in pursuit of the missing Ultra Magnus: Rodimus needed someone who was willing to say things he didn't want to hear. After reaching the moon's surface, the group encountered a newly ignited [[hot spot]], but they were quickly chased away by a [[Titan Hunter|gang of mercenaries]] {{storylink|Remain in Light 1 of 5: The Fecund Moon|The Fecund Moon}} in the employ of [[Solomus|Chief Justice Tyrest]].

[[File:HouseofAmbus-Rung&Minimus.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.2|Given his history, Rung should really know better now than to get involved in situations with angry poets.]]
The group was charged with "crimes against creation", and shoved into a cell with a guy called Minimus Ambus. Rung swiftly picked up that Ambus had the same mannerisms, nervous tics, and speech patterns as Ultra Magnus. Keeping his suspicions to himself at first, Rung tested his theory by wearing his Autobot badge at an angle and deliberately making a mess. Before long, Ambus relented and confirmed his identity, {{storylink|Remain in Light 2 of 5: House of Ambus|House of Ambus}} explaining that "[[Magnus Armor|Ultra Magnus]]" was an identity passed down through the ages. Confused by the charges against the ''Lost Light'' crew, Ambus left to confront Tyrest, whilst Skids, Swerve, and [[Getaway]] were dumped into the cell. {{storylink|Remain in Light 3 of 5: The Divided Self|The Divided Self}}

Getaway revealed that he and the amnesiac Skids had been dispatched by Prowl to alter the unstable Tyrest's memories, and used his escapology skills to break the entire group out. Rung and the others confronted Tyrest, his deranged plan to kill all cold-constructed [[Transformer]]s and reach [[Cyberutopia]] revealed. Immobilizing the ''Lost Light''ers, the Chief Justice activated his [[universal killswitch]], {{storylink|Remain in Light 4 of 5: Arm the Lonely|Arm the Lonely}} but was defeated by Tailgate and Minimus Ambus. Whilst Rodimus and Perceptor used the [[Matrix of Leadership]] to disable the killswitch, Rung comforted First Aid, who had been goaded into killing Tyrest's accomplice [[Pharma (G1)|Pharma]]. When a final order from Tyrest brought his [[Legislator]] robots back to accost Rung and the others, Tailgate saved the day by amending the law at the Chief Justice's computer console. {{storylink|Remain in Light 5 of 5: This Calamitous Life|This Calamitous Life}} In the aftermath of the battle, Rung met with Fortress Maximus in Swerve's, and the ex-warden revealed that he had been offered the role of Duly Appointed Enforcer of the [[Tyrest Accord]] by Rodimus and Ultra Magnus. {{storylink|The Sound of Breaking Glass}}

When [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Orion Pax]] and the crew of the ''[[Skyroller]]'' came aboard the ''Lost Light'', Rung was present for the 'welcome aboard' party at Swerve's. {{storylink|Black Metal: Dark Cybertron Chapter 2|Black Metal}} Shortly afterwards, the ship quantum jumped beneath the seas of [[Hydrophena]] in search of Metroplex, and Rung was one of the crew members who disembarked to battle the [[Ammonite]]s who set upon the ''Lost Light''. The psychiatrist was able to split apart one "Minicon" combiner by striking its weak spot, but was immediately shoulder-barged by another. {{storylink|Into the Abyss: Dark Cybertron Chapter 4|Into the Abyss}} Eventually the ship's crew was able to rescue Metroplex and jump the Metrotitan and the ''Lost Light'' back to Cybertron. Rung was among the crew who met up with the contingent of Autobots and Decepticons fighting against [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]]'s machinations. {{storylink|Finis Temporis: Dark Cybertron Chapter 9|Finis Temporis}} With the scientist's [[Necrotitan]] defeated by Metroplex, the psychiatrist and several other Autobots took some time to relax at Swerve's, where Rung watched the bar's owner freak out over [[Blurr (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Blurr]]'s presence. {{storylink|The Becoming: Dark Cybertron Chapter 10|The Becoming}}

The festivities were cut short, however, by the materialization of seventy billion Ammonites in the planet's skies, and Rung mostly spent the battle that followed looking on in horror. {{storylink|Black Planet: Dark Cybertron Chapter 11|Black Planet}} After the dust settled, Rung was present to see Optimus Prime and Megatron stand side-by-side, the Decepticon leader having declared his new faction during the climactic confrontation with Shockwave. {{storylink|...And the Damage Done: Dark Cybertron Finale|...And the Damage Done}}

[[File:WordsHangInTheAir-Nightbeat.jpg|thumb|250px|Nightbeat's wondering why Raiz drew it differently.]]
In the days that followed, Rung was in the crowd on [[Moonbase Two|Luna 2]] observing Megatron stand trial for his crimes during the war. By the trial's resolution, Megatron was declared co-captain of the ''Lost Light'', and six months later, after the ship had resumed its quest, the former Decepticon attended a therapy session with the Autobot psychiatrist. Megatron spent much of the session evading Rung's inquiries, at one point changing the subject to the first time he encountered the psychotherapist, at [[Maccadam's Old Oil House]] in 4th Cycle 496. Unable to remember this incident, Rung took the opportunity to segue into discussing a first-edition copy of Megatron's original autobiography, ''Towards Peace'', that he had been given by new crew member [[Nautica (G1)|Nautica]]. Of interest was a dedication to 'Terminus' that the ex-Decepticon removed from all subsequent copies. The session was then interrupted by a brief black-out, and Megatron took the chance to end the meeting. As he left, Megatron revealed that Terminus was somebody who taught him "not to get attached". {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Towards Peace}} Later that day, [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] examined a schematic of Rung's enigmatic alt-mode, {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 2: Words Hang in the Air|Words Hang in the Air}} whilst the psychiatrist himself attended a screening of the [[Earth]] film ''{{w|Zulu (1964 film)|Zulu}}'' at Swerve's. The event was interrupted, however, when the ''Lost Light'' began disappearing piece by piece, and Rung escaped onto a shuttle. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 3: Predestination: A Beginner's Guide|Predestination: A Beginner's Guide}} Eventually Rung and every other original crew member disappeared, with the remaining ''Lost Light''ers discovering that the ship's initial quantum jump had caused it and its passengers to duplicate. The other ship's Rung, they learned, was "lost" during the explosive jump. Eventually, the ''Lost Light'' and its crew were restored and its duplicate vanished. {{storylink|slaughterhouse Part 2: The Road Not Taken|The Road Not Taken}}

Not long after the ship's reappearance, Rung was at [[Swerve's]] when Brainstorm activated an electro-sensitive poison, knocking everybody who'd been drinking from the spiked engex vats unconscious. As a teetotaler, Rung merely wound up buried under a pile of his collapsed crewmates. {{storylink|The Custom-Made Now - An Elegant Chaos Prologue|The Custom-Made Now}} When Brainstorm, apparently revealed as a Decepticon, travelled back in time, Rung was recruited to the team pursuing the engineer into the past. Materializing in [[Alyon]] in 1st Cycle 502, the group encountered a team of insurgents and [[Outlier]]s, led by Orion Pax, trying to protect a hot spot from Senate forces. Whilst the two teams rested, Rung was startled to discover that [[Roller (IDW)|Roller]] was taking [[circuit speeder]]s to keep up with his Outlier teammates, and warned of their health risks. After helping save the hot spot's newborn sparks, the ''Lost Light'' team followed Brainstorm further into the past, {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 1: All Our Parlous Yesterdays|All Our Parlous Yesterdays}} to 4th Cycle 501, during the Clampdown.

[[File:Chaos Theory P1 - Rung starts the Great War.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.7|"Hey, I didn't order that!"]]
Rung was assigned to survey Maccadam's New Oil House in [[Rodion]], where he passed the time building a model of the ''Lost Light''. Unbeknownst to him, he was observed by both Brainstorm, who realized that he had been pursued into the past, {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 2: Stet|Stet}} and [[Quark]] and Nightbeat, who bickered over whether the psychiatrist was a Senate spy or just a billy-no-mates. {{storylink|Shadowplay, Part 1: Post Hoc|Post Hoc}} After Brainstorm time-jumped again, Rung's crewmates regrouped at Maccadam's to be sent even further into the past, to 4th Cycle 499. When the group split up, Rung was in the contingent that stayed at the bar, and was dispatched to fetch a [[curly straw]] for Tailgate. In doing so, however, he spilled a Senate cadet's drink. {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 2: Stet|Stet}} After refusing to clean up the spill, the poor 'bot was tossed across the bar, right onto [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]] and Megatron's table. {{storylink|Chaos Theory Part 1|Chaos Theory Part 1}} A barfight quickly ensued, away from which Rodimus dragged the unconscious Rung. {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 2: Stet|Stet}}

Having realized that Brainstorm intended to kill Megatron, Rung and the ''Lost Light''ers pursued the engineer back to 1st Cycle 012, where the Decepticon-to-be had just been created in a cold construction facility. After Brainstorm was hit with a "grenado", Rung checked the facility's computer's and found that the rogue engineer had already wiped Megatron's batch code, and then spent ten minutes pointing his gun at the newborn. When Brainstorm pulled a pistol again, Rung was able to talk him down, realizing that the engineer was still conflicted. A short time later, the crew used Rodimus's "time phone" to send a warning message for their past selves, and Rung chipped in with instructions to not visit [[Delphi]] (though the message failed to reach its intended recipients). After the group returned to the present day, Rung visited Perceptor, who revealed that their actions in the past were pre-destined, already part of established history, and that tampering with the time machine might have lead to a multitude of alternate realities being created. {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 3: Predestination: An Expert's Guide|Predestination: An Expert's Guide}}

[[File:MTMTE48 skids and rung.jpg|thumb|upright=0.9|Let's face it, Rung isn't Robert's self-insert; he's ''ours''.]]
As well as helping on the ''Lost Light'', Rung was remotely providing aid to Fortress Maximus. The new enforcer of the Tyrest Accord admitted to him how he'd been thrown to discover some Decepticons had been a bunch of damaged guys and not complete monsters. Rung gently steered him towards changing his ultraviolent approach, as many Decepticons may be like that now. {{storylink|Animals}}

While assisting Skids with reclaiming his lost memories, Rung was surprised to find ''Froid'' (who was supposed to be [[death|dead]]) visiting the ''Lost Light''! [[File:MTMTE48 creepy froid.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.0|Aaaaaand this panel is the source of the other 20%.]] His rival wrangled a private chat with his "old friend" and began to mock, cajole, intimidate, and outright blackmail Rung to hand over all his patient notes. Even the threat of revealing he shouldn't be practicing therapy anymore wouldn't break Rung. Instead, Rung ran a sting and asked if he could 'help' with anything else while quietly alerting Skids to show up loaded for bastard. Unfortunately, it turned out Froid wanted the patient information as a way of feeding his "prisoner": monstrous serial killer and memory-eating [[Mnemosurgery|mnemosurgeon]], [[Sunder (G1)|Sunder the Tetraxian Ripper]]!

Sunder remotely accessed Rung's memories of the patients and broke out to have this all-you-can-eat buffet of repressed memories, starting with Skids. {{storylink|Speak, Memory: Part 1}} Rung had been recording the event and transmitted everything to Megatron, who declared the ship on lockdown. As Sunder prowled the ship, attacking anyone who hadn't locked themselves away, Rung was carrying Skids in a search for Chromedome, hoping the mnemosurgeon could stop the guy's memory surge. Froid tagged along and was brutally killed by Sunder before Thunderclash and Megatron could drive him back; when the monster proved too much, Rung saved Megatron with his ''ship collection'', all capable of flight and shooting!

Once the Ripper was finally stopped, Rung resigned as therapist: the transmission meant Megatron knew he had been struck off. When the captain tried to talk him out of this, Rung snapped that the only way you could defend what he'd done is if you thought his work was unimportant.{{storylink|Speak, Memory! (Part 2)}}

The crew found a shrinking 'time window' in [[Swerve's]] that could allow you to look back in its past. Rung and Chromedome both went to look back at Rewind's attempt to fix his brain-damaged self, and Rung would have to gently remind Chromedome when it was time to go. {{storylink|No Guns, No Swords, No Briefcases}}

Rung had been asked (and his mind wiped) by Getaway if he'd be willing to mutiny against Megatron. As he wasn't, the mutiny tricked Rung into leaving the ship with the other Megatron 'loyalists': a transmission was sent from the Necrobot's planet to draw them in. (A dying Necrobot, corrupting it in the hope of scaring people away, made it terrify them; Rung heard something he refused to discuss) The group followed the transmission to the planet and came under immediate, violent attack from the [[Decepticon Justice Division]] and [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]] before learning the ''Lost Light'' was abandoning them. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light: (1) How Bright Their Frail Deeds|How Bright Their Frail Deeds}} The Autobots holed up in the Necrobot's old house and Rung helped Rodimus run through their assets. Which were none.

Others found there were dozens of slumbering organics underneath the base and that there was a long-range teleporter, but using the latter meant abandoning the former. Rung listened with weariness as Brainstorm argued for abandoning the organics as they could do far more good for the world if they escaped but, after Megatron spoke in favour of staying, Rung stayed to protect the helpless. While preparing for battle, he and the others realized [[Ten]] had been trying to alert them they could create a forcefield. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 2: The Sun in Flight|The Sun in Flight}} After Nightbeat <s>put in a polite request to</s> begged Minimus Ambus to be allowed to investigate the hollow planet, Minimus agreed so long as Nightbeat had an escort. Nightbeat chose Rung for his total lack of fighting skills. Rung was not amused. Despite the two promising to be back by sunset, they weren't, {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 4: At Close of Day|At Close of Day}} prompting Rodimus and Drift to question what became of them after the D.J.D. had been defeated. [[Image:mtmte50 rung's funeral request.jpg|thumb|upright=1.2|]] Rung was very close to raising his voice at Nightbeat when the two finally breached the last layer of the "crust" to find the hollow insides where Nightbeat concluded that the intense gravitational forces were playing havoc with their internal clocks...which Rung couldn't care less about since an examination of the landscape, particularly an inverted pattern of the [[Vinvissius Canals]], led him to the conclusion that Necroworld was the mould into which Cybertron was poured. Then a [[Geobomb|geobomb]] showed up to ruin the moment. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}}

Three weeks after the mutiny, the crew's last messages, including Rung's, were received by several parties on Earth and Cybertron. Rung begged them to dismantle him if he died in alternate mode and "put me beyond use". {{storylink|The Dying of the Light: (1) How Bright Their Frail Deeds|How Bright Their Frail Deeds}}

When [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] tried to take over his mind, [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] used Rung's image as his inner voice to override the brainwashing. {{storylink|Last Light (issue)|Last Light}}

The geobomb had not killed anyone and just appeared to have itself out. It would be a while before anyone learned they'd been shunted into [[Functionist Universe|a parallel universe]]. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 1: Some Other Cybertron|Some Other Cybertron}} {{storylink|Dissolution Part 5: Modes of Production|Modes of Production}} Brainstorm teleported the two (nearly!) back to the surface where Rung asked to see Skids. Ratchet brought him to Skids' corpse. The trauma of the sight causing Rung to involuntarily create a photonic crystal {{storylink|Dissolution Part 1: Some Other Cybertron|Some Other Cybertron}} and thus reawakened his old memories of his true purpose. Nightbeat then asked to speak to Rung about the former psychiatrist's issues and feelings of uselessness. Rung confessed that [[Information creep|information creep]] had caused him to forget a good chunk of his past and what he was for. Rung showed Nightbeat the crystals he'd produced much to the detective's shock. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 5: Modes of Production|Modes of Production}} When Brainstorm had worked out a way back to their reality, Ratchet embraced Rung due to the fate of the psychologist's alternate self. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 6: This Machine Kills Fascists|This Machine Kills Fascists}} Rewind and Chromedome later took Rung aside to tell him the fate of his alternate self and how he'd served as an inspiration for billions much to the psychologist's shock and surprise. {{storylink|After Megatron (A Dissolution Epilogue)|After Megatron}}

Part of the group that left Necroworld aboard [[Skip]], {{storylink|After Megatron (A Dissolution Epilogue)|After Megatron}} Rung tucked himself away in alternate mode to deal with the limited space. When Skip began to contract and tensions mounted, Rung reverted back to robot mode. {{storylink|Sardines}} Ten surprisingly spoke up and directed the crew through the [[Warren]], a nexus of compressed space that was intended to bring them to safety. On the trek, however, Skip divested all his extra mass and Rung and the crew were forced to abandon ship. They awoke in what appeared to be the [[Transformer afterlife|Afterspark]], on the outskirts of the Matrix itself waiting to ascend to the final afterlife. {{storylink|The Everlasting Voices (1): Metastasis|Metastasis}} In fact, they had arrived on [[Mederi]], a ten million year old euthanasia clinic that used hallucinations and holomatter to serenely guide the terminally ill into the afterlife. The Knights of Cybertron had ended their space trek on Mederi and, mistaking the false environment for a perfect version of Cybertron, enshrined a map to Mederi inside the Matrix before sending it home. Mederi was [[Cyberutopia]], and the ''Lost Light''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s original mission was finished. {{storylink|The Everlasting Voices (3): You Are Here|You Are Here}}

When Getaway's mutineers, mutated into sparkeaters by [[Scorponok (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Scorponok]], attacked the crew on Mederi, Rung lost an arm to [[Jackpot (G1)|Jackpot]] before being saved by [[Thunder Clash|Thunderclash]]. {{storylink|Crucible (Part 1): A Dance Before Dying|A Dance Before Dying}}
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[[File:LL25 - Lunarian 113.jpg|thumb|left|upright=0.8|Daddy's little 'bot.]]
When [[Chromedome (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Chromedome]] and [[Rewind (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rewind]] undertook a thorough documentation of the ''Lost Light'' before its decomissioning, they found Rung's old quarters, but neither they or the rest of the crew could remember who had been berthed there. However Rung would be remembered in another way: the [[Lunarian]]s, birthed from the hot spot on [[Luna 1]] that he had inadvertantly reignited, had a marked tendency (not that anyone was aware of it) to resemble their progenitor. {{storylink|How To Say Goodbye And Mean It: Part 2}}

====The Functionist Universe====
[[File:Rung predestination an experts guide.jpg|thumb|upright=1.2|We ''told'' you he was an ornament.]]

In the [[Functionist Universe]], Primus was used as the justification for the dystopia and a square in [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] boasted a building sized statue of an old-school Primus, "SURVIVE AND THRIVE" inscribed under it. [[Twelve-of-Twelve]] expressed the opinion that if something was essential to anyone, Primus would have created a Cybertronian that turned into it. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 2: Anomie|Anomie}} [[Six-of-Twelve]] came to believe that Primus was speaking to him through the [[Matrix of Leadership]] and telling him to arm Cybertron for a coming war. [[Nine-of-Twelve]] expressed the belief that [[Team Rodimus]]' arrival in their universe was Primus' doing. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 3: A World Misplaced|A World Misplaced}}

When the [[Functionist Council]] discovered [[Rung (G1)#The_Functionist_Universe|Rung's]] ability to produce [[Photonic crystal|photonic crystals]] they first thought him the spawn of [[Mortilus]] before deciding it was Primus' endorsement of [[Reproduction|cold construction]]. Now having a way of storing new Sparks until bodies were built, the Council decided that their own function was to bring Functionism to the galaxy by removing any race that didn't serve a function in Primus' optics. In laybot's terms: Every single race that wasn't Cybertronian had to go to fulfill their vision of Primus' grand plan. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 5: Modes of Production|Modes of Production}}

No one could figure out the exact purpose of Rung's alternate mode, so he was locked up in [[Cog (base)|The Cog]] and regularly tortured for two million years by the scientist [[Quark]] to try and discern the mystery. {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 3: Predestination: An Expert's Guide|Predestination: An Expert's Guide}} His unique position in a purely functionist society caused a cult to develop around him. He was hailed as the "Useless One", with his "[[Female protester|followers]]" openly defying the government and being met with [[Death|a reminder of the status quo]]. {{storylink|The Custom-Made Now - An Elegant Chaos Prologue|The Custom-Made Now}} Eventually while he was cleaning Rung's cell [[Sweep (IDW)|Sweep]] (a ''janitor'', not a scientist) figured out his purpose, {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 3: Predestination: An Expert's Guide|Predestination: An Expert's Guide}} by finding the [[Photonic crystal|photonic crystals]] Rung had unconsciously produced. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 5: Modes of Production|Modes of Production}} [[One-of-Twelve]] was not pleased, labelling Rung a threat to the [[Functionist Council]] and the spawn of [[Mortilus]]. One-of-Twelve greeted the "Useless One" (which Rung commented was ironic given that One-of-Twelve's alternate mode needed eleven others to form and was useless itself) and pulled a gun to his head. Rung warned him that if he took the shot, the Functionist world would be destroyed and then proceeded to goad him into firing, {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 3: Predestination: An Expert's Guide|Predestination: An Expert's Guide}} so as to become a martyr for the [[Anti-Vocationist League]]. One-of-Twelve didn't take the bait and hid Rung for a year to try and work out how to spin this. Six-of-Twelve viewed Rung's purpose as endorsement of cold construction and further testing by One-of-Twelve showed that Rung could produce crystals against his will. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 5: Modes of Production|Modes of Production}}

[[File:AWorldDisplaced-RungAlternateMode.jpg|thumb|upright=1|left|His is the drill that will pierce the heavens.]]
A year later, the Functionist Council announced Revelation Day: at the end of the countdown, they'd disprove this whole "Useless One" anti-functionist talk by revealing exactly what Rung was for. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 2: Anomie|Anomie}}

Supposedly Rung turned into a colossal mining tank with a very conspicuous crystalline drill, something which Team Rodimus found suspicious. According to [[Six-of-Twelve]], the point of Rung's alternate mode was to drill through the [[Ununtrium|ununtrium]] wall that surrounded [[Vector Sigma]]. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 3: A World Misplaced|A World Misplaced}} Rung was teleported to Vector Sigma's chamber but left to the side in his alternate mode. Ratchet managed to return Rung to robot mode (causing the holo-matter treads to disappear and the "drill" to shatter) and he immediately told Ratchet to follow his instructions, {{storylink|Dissolution Part 4: Bad Moon Rising|Bad Moon Rising}} by pretending to hold him hostage so that Six-of-Twelve would release [[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rodimus]]. Before the group teleported away, Rung laid into the Council by mocking their own useless alternate mode and saying that all of them were the real "Useless Ones". Materializing in Iacon, Rung directed the group to steal [[Cog (base)|the Cog]] which he intended to ram into Luna 2 to destroy them both. Before that however, Rodimus demanded an explanation of Rung's true purpose and why the Functionists wanted him. Rung reluctantly displayed his ability to produce photonic crystals and explained the Functionists viewed that as Primus endorsing the cold construction process. As such, they wanted to draw more Sparks from Vector Sigma and store them in Rung's crystals to create an army of Cybertronians to purify the galaxy of alien life. When the Cog arrived at Adaptica, Rung locked in a collision course only for Rodimus to insist they save Luna 2 for its teleporter. Rung refused and said that Rodimus would have to fight him for Luna 2. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 5: Modes of Production|Modes of Production}}

[[File:ThisMachineKillsFascists-GiantRung.jpg|thumb|upright=1|''Nice.'']]
A single punch across the jaw was all it took for Rodimus to win the "fight" and gain control of the Cog. While Rewind scolded his captain, Rodimus came to his senses and ordered everyone else to evacuate while he and Rung crashed the Cog into Luna 2; however, The Cog was accidentally shot down by [[Terminus (G1)|Terminus]]. Emerging from the wreckage, Rung decided to enact his backup plan over Ratchet's protests to his health. To the shock of all, Rung used the mass displacement generator the Functionists had forcibly installed in him to grow to humungous size (far surpassing even the Titans) to punch Luna 2 out of the sky. The moon simply turned its guns on Rung and killed him, sending him back to the ground at normal size and in pieces. Megatron and Terminus briefly paused to comment on Rung before they continued to the teleporter. Rung's fate prompted Ratchet to hug the Rung of his own timeline when they reunited. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 6: This Machine Kills Fascists|This Machine Kills Fascists}} His fate and role as an inspiration to billions was told by Rewind and Chromedome to the Rung of their timeline. {{storylink|After Megatron (A Dissolution Epilogue)|After Megatron}}
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===''Kre-O'' online manga===
[[File:KreO-webcomic-6-Rung.jpg|75px|thumb|left|Insert appropriate Doc Brown sound here.]]
Rung directed a crane hauling a load of energy blocks into [[Metroplex (Kre-O)|Scramble City]] when the [[Devastator (Kre-O)|Constructicons]] attacked. {{Storylink|A New Menace! The Giant Soldier Devastator Appears!}}
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===Transformers Facebook page===
Rung managed to get his own TV show, ''[[Rung Up with Rung]]'', in which he analyzed a weekly Cybertronian guest.

==Toys==
===Fictional toys===
[[File:Mtmte22-coverb-rung-toy.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85|Quite articulated for a G1 dude.]]
*'''Rung'''
**''Accessories:'' Data Journal, "ARK-1" Model, Tech Specs Decoder

:In [[Micro-continuity|some time-lost continuity]], Swerve tried to figure out a Rung toy. Its features included moveable eyebrows to alter the robot's expression, and a "Listening Mode". {{storylink|Little Victories}}
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==Notes==
*A psychoanalyst named Rung was referenced in the unofficial Transformers novel ''Eugenesis'', written by [[James Roberts]].
*The name "Rung" is a reference to {{w|Carl Jung}}, founder of analytical psychology.<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/comics-16/tfw2005-interviews-james-roberts-175563/ TFW2005.com interview with James Roberts]</ref> The mention of "Rungian analysis" in [[Liars, A to D Part 1: How to Say Goodbye and Mean It|''More Than Meets the Eye'' #1]] is a further play on this.
*Rung's longest suffering patient was [[Bluestreak (G1)|Bluestreak]].
*[[Alex Milne]] modeled Rung's appearance on actors {{w|Brent Spiner}} and {{w|David Hyde-Pierce}}.<ref>[https://www.facebook.com/notes/transformers/transformers-more-than-meets-the-eye-vol-2-alex-milne-interview/395646703838863 Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye vol. 2 Alex Milne interview]</ref>
*Rung's Holomatter avatar is named {{w|Mary Sue}}, a tongue-in-cheek reference to the literary term of the same name and a wink at fans who consider Rung to be Roberts's own alter-ego.
*In [[Speak, Memory: Part 1|''More Than Meets the Eye'' #48]] we learn Rung collects models of ships he's served on. His collection has all the Arks from 1 to 9, as we know from [[Little Victories|''More Than Meets the Eye'' #22]].
*As with all non-toy Kreons, Rung is made entirely from pre-existing parts. It isn't particularly clear but it seems as though he's using Ironhide's helmet.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Rung''' (ラング ''Rangu'')

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
*[http://markerguru.deviantart.com/art/rung-colour-guide-253698917 Rung concept art at Alex Milne's deviantART]
*[http://markerguru.deviantart.com/gallery/?q=rung#/d471m8d More Rung design art, featuring an unused alternate mode concept]

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How To Say Goodbye And Mean It: Part 2

2018-11-07T23:49:45Z

Bluestreak7: /* Other trivia */ double checked both my physical and digital copies

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|title="How To Say Goodbye And Mean It: Part 2"
|caption=They made something of it.
|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[November 7]], 2018
|coverdate=October 2018
|written by=[[James Roberts]]
|art by=[[Jack Lawrence]]
|colors by=[[Joana Lafuente]]
|letters by=[[Tom B. Long]]
|editor=[[David Mariotte]]
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'''After a final "lap of honor" it's time for the ''Lost Light'' crew to say goodbye and move on with their lives... until tragedy reunites them one last time.'''

==Synopsis==
{{note|This story is told in non-linear form. This synopsis reorders it for ease of reading.}}

Some time after the defeat of the [[Functionist Council]], [[Prowl (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Prowl]] arrives on "Functionist Cybertron" to survey the situation. His visit is to be a short one; the planet is largely to be left to its own devices while the universe's native Cybertronian population begins their new lives on [[Earth]] following the apocalyptic attack of [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]], but the billion new [[spark]]s that have ignited from [[Moonbase One|Luna 1]]'s [[hot spot]] must be dealt with, and most importantly, with the [[Knights of Cybertron]] having been proven not to exist, [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] must stand trial once again, this time with the [[Galactic Council]] presiding. [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus]] objects, but Megatron himself agrees. Prowl also announces his intention to remove the ''[[Lost Light]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s [[quantum generator]]s and use them to double Functionist Cybertron's [[energon]] reserves, for use in bringing the sparks to term; again, Rodimus initially refuses, before finally giving in, on the condition that Prowl allow him and the crew to to take one final "victory lap" trip aboard the ship before it is decommissioned.

The crew are granted one day for their trip, and it passes without incident. [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]] makes a complete recording of every corridor and room on the ship for posterity; in the process, he and [[Chromedome (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Chromedome]] come upon [[Rung (G1)|Rung]]'s old quarters, but tragically, they and the rest of the crew have already lost all their memories of the terminally-forgettable psychiatrist. The pair rejoin the rest of the crew on the bridge as the ''Lost Light'' turns to head back to Functionist Cybertron, and conversation turns to the inevitability to endings, and how to make the most of them; Rodimus remarks that he would ''rather'' see the ''Lost Light'' decommissioned than allowed to become a monument or "just another spaceship," so that its meaning can never be diminished. [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] announces one last party in [[Swerve's|his bar]], but just before everyone heads off, [[Nautica (G1)|Nautica]], [[Brainstorm (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Brainstorm]], and [[Perceptor (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Perceptor]] take Rodimus aside to propose one final, risky, complicated, ludicrous stunt for the ''Lost Light'' to pull: when they quantum jump back to Functionist Cybertron, there is the infinitesimally slim chance they can intentionally recreate the accident from the ship's original launch that caused the creation of a quantum duplicate of it and the crew, ''and'' shunt the duplicate into a parallel universe so that there will be no risk of its existence being cancelled out like the last one, thereby allowing the crew to continue adventuring on their own terms in a new world. Rodimus puts the idea to a vote, and the crew agrees.

Of course, there's no way for the crew to know if they idea succeeds, since from their point of view, all that happens is that they successfully quantum jump back to Cybertron, and settle in for one last night of drinks, singing, and stories at Swerve's. [[Anode]] and [[Lug (IDW)|Lug]] decide to give up adventuring and settle down on Luna 1; [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] makes peace with the [[Scavenger (group)|Scavengers]]; and [[Drift (G1)|Drift]] and [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]]—now finally romantically involved—explain to the crew their theory that the "visions" that have been guiding Drift since the start of their quest were actually messages sent back through time via the [[Warren]] by the telepaths from [[Mederi]]. [[Thunder Clash|Thunderclash]] hauls Rodimus's desk into the bar, and everyone pores over the map etched into its surface, reminiscing about the places they have been and the things they have seen and done on their quest. Inspired by the revelation that Megatron pseudonymously wrote his favorite poem, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus]] delivers a toast to the ship and its crew, and to the unexpected joy that he found when the crew turned from colleagues into true friends. Swerve tries to declare a lock-in, but, to punctuate the finality of the moment, construction cranes abruptly begin tearing into the ship as it sits on the spaceport runway, beginning its disassembly.

Thus does the parting of the ways begin. [[Grimlock (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Grimlock]] and the Scavengers head back to [[Troja Major]], where [[Crankcase (G1)|Crankcase]]—having taken [[Cyclonus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Cyclonus]]'s advice on love—plans to reunite with [[CONS4EVA]]. Chromedome and Rewind head off on a trip to [[Milnex]]; Nautica and [[Velocity (G1)|Velocity]] are taken to visit Earth by [[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]]; Cyclonus places a tender kiss on Rodimus's cheek to thank him for everything. Prowl takes Megatron into custody, and Magnus goes with them, leaving Rodimus alone. After a moment, he hollers "[['Til all are one|Till All Are One]]" after Magnus, but his words go unheard.

Some time later, Megatron's trial is held. Magnus acts for his defense; Rodimus testifies and lies on the stand, claiming that ''Megatron'' was the one who was able to open the final [[Matrix of Leadership]] when he could not. While a jury is deliberating over "execution" or "infinite imprisonment," Rodimus visits Megatron in his cell for one last conversation, during which Megatron reveals that he still has the [[Rodimus Star]] Rodimus gave him, having held onto it for nearly a millennia, through all his centuries in the [[Functionist Universe]]. Presently, Megatron and Magnus are called in for sentencing; Megatron bids Rodimus farewell, and Magnus tells Megatron that he will take his advice and destroy the [[Magnus Armor]], living the rest of his life as his own 'bot.

Years pass.

Life goes on.

Many of the crew settle on Functionist Cybertron. Swerve successfully turns his bar into a franchise, but it eventually fails and he has to close all but one location. Nautica writes a memoir of the crew's quest. Rewind becomes obsessed with learning everything there is to know about the history of the Functionist Universe, but winds up overloading and corrupting his brain, contracting the neuro-degenerative disease [[Delta's Malady]]; he becomes trapped in data stick form when he forgets how to transform, but continues to live and love with Chromedome. Brainstorm injures himself in a lab accident, requiring him to use his [[time case|infamous briefcase]] as a mobile life support system. Magnus no more, Minimus Ambus helps with the resettlement of all the new "[[Lunarian]]" 'bots born from the sparks from Luna-1, totally unaware that they all resemble Rung. Bereft of direction, [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] returns to his old troublemaking ways, and soon finds himself in and out of prison. Still eager for adventure, Rodimus signs onto the crew of Thunderclash's new ship, the ''[[Exitus]]''. And Ratchet and Drift become [[Conjunx Endura]]... until the day that Ratchet's advanced age finally catches up to him, and it is discovered that he is going to die of "age-related burnout."

Ratchet's peaceful passing brings the crew of the ''Lost Light'' together again for his funeral in [[Rivets Field]]; Drift arranges for Whirl to be granted day release from prison to attend. Cyclonus and [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] have been off-planet for an extended period of time and have been out of touch with their old friends, so after the ceremony, Swerve, [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]], and Brainstorm bring them up to speed on what has been happening with everyone. Dismayed to discover what has become of Whirl, Cyclonus and Tailgate invite him to come and live with them when he is next released, and he happily accepts. Whirl is so moved by their act of compassion that he begins to find worth in himself again, and turns down a gift from Drift—Ratchet's hands, to replace his own, lost so long ago—on the basis that he is not broken and does not need to be fixed.

Rodimus arrives late, after the ceremony has already concluded, and places Megatron's Rodimus Star—entrusted to him when the ex-Decepticon was taken away to his unrevealed fate—among the other offerings by Ratchet's grave. Drift can tell that the haggard Rodimus has been drinking, and expresses concern for him, knowing that life as part of Thunderclash's crew can't possibly compare to the way things used to be. One by the one, the mourners take their leave, until only Drift and Rodimus are left, whereupon Drift raises the subject they swore they'd never speak of: does Rodimus think the attempt to recreate the accident worked? Rodimus doesn't believe they will ever know one way or the other... and he tells himself that that is good, because that way, they can always pretend it did. The pair promise to keep in touch, and Rodimus departs.

''Many years earlier, the ''Lost Light'' quantum jumps back to Functionist Cybertron... but instead, the ship and crew find themselves in uncharted space, further than they have ever traveled before, with no idea of where they are. Realizing that they have succeeded in blasting themselves into another universe, the crew celebrate, with Perceptor crediting their accomplishment to knowledge gained from Brainstorm's earlier time travel experiments. Brainstorm is thrilled to finally have Perceptor's recognition, and Perceptor admits that the pair are "simpatico" after all. With co-captains Rodimus and Megatron at the helm, the ''Lost Light'' sets course for adventure in a new universe.''

''[[Furmanism|It never ends]]!''

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==Quotes==
"A week, a month, a year... what's the difference? There'll always be '''an ending'''—and if you're lucky, you get to see it coming."
:—'''Ratchet'''

"I'm grateful for one more day. Especially a day like this." 
"Er—literally nothing happened. We flew past some planets and '''talked.'''" 
"Yes. And I wouldn't have changed a thing."
:—'''Megatron''' and '''Whirl'''

"Treat him well, Doc. He's a keeper."
:—'''Rodimus''' congratulates Ratchet on his new relationship

"'''That's''' how we should measure our lives. Not in distance traveled, or time passed, or worlds conquered, but in '''moments'''... and the rush of joy—of grace—that exists within them."
:—'''Megatron'''

"Rodimus. Whatever happens next—whatever my fate—I deserve worse."
:—'''Megatron'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s final words

"Megatron... before we go... I've been thinking a lot about what you said—about how I should let the world look me in the eyes—and yes, I'll do it. I'll destroy my armor." 
"Good. Because you're so much bigger without it."
:—'''Ultra Magnus''' and '''Megatron'''

"Turns out being at a '''loose end''' is bad for me—and even worse for '''society.'''"
:—'''Whirl'''

"WITHOUT LOVE THERE IS NO MEANING."
:—The inscription on Ratchet's grave marker

'''Rodimus:''' "Crankcase? Set a course for '''high jinks and mild peril!'''" 
'''Swerve:''' "I've just heard the best order that's ever been given." 
'''Ultra Magnus:''' "How long will it take us?" 
'''Rodimus:''' "What, to explore the '''entire universe?'''" 
'''Ultra Magnus:''' "I will accept an estimate." 
'''Rodimus:''' "Well, if I had to guess... taking account of all known variables and allowing for every possible outcome... if I had to guess, I'd say it'll take us more or less... '''forever.''' What do you think, co-captain?" 
'''Megatron:''' "What do I think?" 
'''Rodimus:''' "Yeah." 
'''Megatron:''' "I think forever sounds about right."

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
*The title of this issue is taken from the [[Liars, A to D Part 1: How to Say Goodbye and Mean It|first issue of ''More than Meets the Eye'']], where the ''Lost Light''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s adventure began just shy of seven years ago.
*The concept of "age-related burnout"—the Transformer equivalent of dying of natural causes—is a very new concept for both the Cybertronian race, and Transformers stories in general, with essentially all past media having presented the [[spark]] as immortal. The idea was introduced back in [[Remain in Light 1 of 5: The Fecund Moon|''More than Meets the Eye'' #17]], in which Ratchet himself observed the first case had only been reported recently.
*Though deliberately and intentionally released first, this issue is the chronologically-final installment in the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]], taking place in its entirety after the final issues of the [[Transformers: Unicron|''Unicron'' mini-series]] and ''Optimus Prime'' (thereby "spoiling" that Prowl, [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]], and the planet Earth survived the apocalyptic events of that story, but if that last one surprises you, we don't know what to tell you). This highlights the continuity problem we previously pointed out in our notes for [[Crucible (Part 4): The Return of the King|issue #22]], which claimed that only a month had passed for Team Rodimus since the beginning of the series; the events of ''Unicron'' did not occur until "a few years" after the series began. Therefore we ''have'' to conclude that the team's trip through the [[Warren]] in [[The Everlasting Voices (1): Metastasis|issue #16]] involved them travelling through time as well as space (but it does still feel like an after-the-fact fix for what was initially a goof).
*The bottle of [[Nightmare Fuel]] Swerve serves up at the final party comes from the departed Trailcutter's private stash, which is where Swerve got the ''first'' bottle of it we ever saw, back in [[Shadowplay (Conclusion): An Intimate Beheading|''More than Meets the Eye'' #11]]. The bottled is dated to 2012, the year that the series began.
*Ultra Magnus shows Brainstorm a piece of writing about a character named "Sprinklor"; this is the "sprinkler [[fan fiction|fan-fiction]]" Rodimus mentioned in [[Crucible (Part 2): Lūstrāre|issue #20]], which Swerve had told him Magnus writes. Magnus describes Sprinklor as "very by-the-book, very rule-driven," proving that even the ex-Duly Appointed Enforcer of the Tyrest Accord isn't above creating "Self-Insert" fanfic.
*The figurines on the table during the crew's last night in Swerve's are from [[Ten|Ten's]] collection of hand-crafted figures, and are of the crewmembers who didn't make it: [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailcutter]], [[Skids (G1)|Skids]], [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]], [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]], and Ten himself.
*Nickel and Roller appear to have hit it off, flirting with each other in Swerve's. Nickel was shown surreptitiously "checking him out" back during a group scene in [[Crucible (Part 3): Farsickness|issue #21]]. It only makes sense that she'd be attracted to someone of Roller's build, considering he was a chief suspect among the fanbase for [[Tarn (DJD)|Tarn]]'s identity for a long time.
*Fortress Maximus makes peace with the Scavengers after their previous rather violent meeting in [[Animals|''More than Meets the Eye'' #46]]. As he does so, Misfire is seen marveling over the guns in his legs, an attribute of Max's that was previously the subject of some humorous focus in [[Interiors|''More than Meets the Eye'' #6]].
*Aside from Swerve's recollection of the crew's trip to [[Hedonia]] in [[Cybertronian Homesick Blues|''More than Meets the Eye'' #13]], the rest of the escapades the crew remember all happened "off-panel" and have never been mentioned before, but they are framed as happening "near" places we know the ship visited: [[Temptoria]] in [[Before & After|''More than Meets the Eye'' #12]], and [[Scarvix]] in [[Our Steps Will Always Rhyme|''More than Meets the Eye'' #40]]. Notably, they laugh about an encounter with the "[[Improbability Police]]" that saw the ''Lost Light'' being impounded for "unlikely crimes" and Ultra Magnus getting them off by claiming the charges themselves were "too far-fetched"—a story that ''would'' have been told during the comic's third "season" had the decision not been made to end the IDW universe.
*The phrase "You flare, you flicker, you fade" was previously quoted by [[Shock (G1)|Shock]] in [[Liars, A to D Part 3: The Chaos of Warm Things|''More than Meets the Eye'' #3]], and is here revealed to be a line from a poem written by Megatron in his youth.
*Ultra Magnus isn't kidding when he opens his toast by saying "I never thought I'd say this... but it's been fun." He was incapable of saying the word "fun" in [[How Ratchet Got His Hands Back|''More than Meets the Eye'' #5]].
*Hot Spot, Blades, Streetwise, and Groove all appear along with First Aid during Magnus's toast, proving that they survived their rather fatal-looking injuries in [[The Plotters' Club (Part 3): Journey's End|issue #12]].
*The Scavengers are presumably heading back to Troja Major because [[Crucible (Part 1): A Dance Before Dying|issue #19]] told us Grimlock left the [[Firstborn]] in the care of [[Agonizer|the Curator]] following the events of [[Kill All 'Cons|issue #15]].
*Taking Cyclonus's advice on love, Crankcase contacts CONS4EVA, the [[Dire Wraith]] he met online in ''[[Nothing Will Ever Be the Same Again!|More than Meets the Eye: Revolution]]''.
*Nautica mistakenly refers to Earth as "[[Swearth]]," the name the crew gave the holomatter duplicate of the planet they visited in [[The One Where They Go to Earth|''More than Meets the Eye'' #43]].
*Minimus notes it's been years since he worked on "[[Terms of Peace]]," the rulebook he was established to be writing in [[Sardines|issue #13]].
*The harvest of Luna 1's hot spot is termed the "Bronze Harvest," after the [[Silver Harvest]], the population boom from around five million years ago first mentioned in [[Twenty Plus One|''More than Meets the Eye'' #31]].
*Ratchet makes good on the promise that Whirl could have his hands after he died, made in [[Under Cold Blue Stars|''More than Meets the Eye'' #15]].
*Both Whirl and Megatron spend time incarcerated in [[Garrus-10]], the newest in the "Garrus" series of prisons that you'd assume was only constructed after the fall of [[Garrus-9]] in ''[[The Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers|Last Stand of the Wreckers]]''.
*Rodimus and Megatron's final talk in the latter's cell mirrors their first, from back in [[World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|''More than Meets the Eye'' #28]], with Rodimus no longer believing Megatron deserves the fate he is destined for.
*Megatron was revealed to have been given a Rodimus Star ("for abandoning his evil ways") in [[Elegant Chaos Part 3: Predestination: An Expert's Guide|''More than Meets the Eye'' #38]].
*Whirl and Cyclonus's final on-panel interaction is a mirror of one of their earliest, from [[Liars, A to D Part 2: Hangers On|''More than Meets the Eye'' #2]]; there, Cyclonus caught Whirl in a surprise hug, with two question marks hovering over the shocked Autobot; here it's Whirl who does the surprise hugging, while exclamation marks hover over Cyclonus.
*The crew encountered the original quantum duplicate of the ''Lost Light'' in [[slaughterhouse|''More than Meets the Eye'' #32]]-[[slaughterhouse Part 2: The Road Not Taken|33]]. Nautica calls replicating the accident a "magic trick," since [[World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|''More than Meets the Eye'' #28]] told us that "magic=science Rodimus doesn't understand."
*Perceptor finally admits that he and Brainstorm are "simpatico," tapping him on the forehead with his index finger in the same way Brainstorm did to him when he originally used the phrase, back in [[Into the Abyss: Dark Cybertron Chapter 4|''More than Meets the Eye'' #24]].

===Transformers references===
[[File:LL25 RiD Museum Guard guarding Whirl.jpg|thumb|right|300px|"The guard gave him what could loosely be called an old-fashioned look. It was practically neolithic."]]
*The Garrus-10 guards who escort Whirl are based on the [[museum guard]]s seen in the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|2015 ''Robots in Disguise'']] episode, "[[Pilot (Part 1)]]." Another appears later in the story to arrest Megatron, accompanied by a grey-blue robot based on the [[Kup (G1)/toys#Titans Return|''Titans Return'' Kup toy]], with a new head design.
*As the group parts ways, Chromedome and Rewind leave to visit the census center on the planet [[Milnex]]—a final tip of the hat to longtime regular ''More than Meets the Eye'' artist, [[Alex Milne]].
*Similarly, Rodimus arrives late because the ''Exitus'' was on the other end of the "[[Acklaw System]]", a reference to series artist J'''ack Law'''rence.
*The ''Exitus'' itself is likely a reference to writer James Roberts' exit from IDW comics.
*In one last final pair of references to James Roberts's signature recurring number, "[[113 (disambiguation)|113]]," Swerve is noted to have 113 locations in his "Swerve's" franchise, and Whirl refers to the Lunarian Transformer who performs Ratchet's funeral as "Lunarian 113."

===Real-world references===
*Nautica's book, "There Is a Light That Never Goes Out," is named after {{w|There Is a Light That Never Goes Out|The Smiths' song of the same title}}.
*On page 9, Cyclonus sings a line from "[[The Power of Love]]," which we previously saw in [[Elegant Chaos Part 3: Predestination: An Expert's Guide|''More than Meets the Eye'' #38]] and [[The Frail Gaze|#42]] that he is fond of.
*Whirl's holo-avatar's shirt reads "ASK ME ABOUT MY FEMINIST AGENDA," a garment made famous by Marvel Comics character {{w|Mockingbird (comics)|Mockingbird}} when she wore it on the cover of [https://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Mockingbird_Vol_1_8 issue #8 of her self-titled series in 2016].

===Errors===
*Among the mourners at Ratchet's funeral on page 1 is Bluestreak, coloured like Prowl. As this scene is set in the far future, of course, it is not ''impossible'' for this to actually be Prowl, having reverted at some point over the years to a Cybertronian body-design like Bluestreak (versus the Earth SUV design he has in the present-day segments), and indeed, Roberts claimed on Twitter that it ''was'' Prowl... but given that ''absolutely everybody else'' at the funeral is or was a ''Lost Light'' crewmember, and "Prowlstreak" is specifically standing with Bluestreak's fellow mutineers and recurring crew B-and-C-listers Hound, Blaster, and Perceptor, it really does feel like a goof that's being covered for.

===Soundtrack===
*"[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4jR9P9YJGo Human]" by {{w|The Killers}}
*"[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuYKUWM_o60 Here It Comes (The Road) Let's Go]" by {{w|Spiritualized}}
*"[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNBjMRvOB5M Go West]" by {{w|Pet Shop Boys}}
*"[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwixk2TOHbs Let's Get Out of this County]" by {{w|Camera Obscura (band)|Camera Obscura}}; specifically envisioned as the "end credits" song of the series
*"[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqmuaCSQuCs Lost Light]" by [https://retronymmusic.bandcamp.com/ Retronym], a fan-made song celebrating the series

===Other trivia===
*Originally announced for release in October, this issue arrives a little late, in the first week of November.
*Items from throughout the series seen on Cover B include: Anode's trowel, Tailgate's hoverboard, the replacement horn Tailgate made for Cyclonus in [[Remain in Light 5 of 5: This Calamitous Life|''More than Meets the Eye'' #21]], a [[nudge gun]], a string of "signal boosters"/[[Christmas]] lights from [[Silent Light|''The Transformers Holiday Special'']], a bottle of Nightmare Fuel, a [[Great Sword]], Nightbeat's magnifying glass, a [[curly straw]], a datapad displaying "[[Towards Peace]]," Rewind's head camera, one of the Necrobot's spark-flowers, the Autobot symbol patch from Whirl's holomatter avatar's dungarees, a tray of drinks from Swerve's, Swerve's "[[My First Blaster]]," a [[sparkeater (creature)|sparkeater]] tentacle, the vial of [[innermost energon]] Cyclonus gave Tailgate in [[Speak, Memory! (Part 2)|''More than Meets the Eye'' #49]], Nautica's wrench, the cannister of "[[Fool's Energon]]" from [[World, Shut Your Mouth Part 2: Words Hang in the Air|''More than Meets the Eye'' #29]], Ultra Magnus's ridiculously long nameplate from [[How Ratchet Got His Hands Back|''More than Meets the Eye'' #5]], a photonic crystal, Rung's glasses, Brainstorm's briefcase, Rodimus's empty half of the Matrix casing, the keys to the ''Lost Light'' seen on the cover of [[World, Shut Your Mouth Part 3: Predestination: A Beginner's Guide|''More than Meets the Eye'' #30]], a Rodimus Star, and fluttering above it all, the "WE'VE ACHIEVED SOMETHING" banner from [[The Sensuous Frame|''More than Meets the Eye'' #41]]. Roche misspelled it "ACHIEIVED" and nobody noticed until the cover was revealed online; it was then corrected for the final release.
*The "Story So Far" recap on the inside front cover this issue simply reads: "You're joking, right?"
*The language used by Rodimus to describe the fate of the ''Lost Light'' is a metaphor for the comic itself, and the broader concepts of stories about ongoing licensed properties, changing creative teams, and the rarity of definitive endings in that industry in general. Were the ''Lost Light'' allowed to go on with someone else at the helm, Rodimus laments, over time, bit by bit, "they'd end up replacing it with (...) a bad copy," and he would rather see the ship get a "proper ending" from which there is "no going back."
*Similarly, the crew's discussion about the new universe they find themselves in at the end of the story alludes to the end of the current IDW universe and the impending launch of a brand new continuity from the company. "What [will it] be like?" wonders Misfire. "Too soon to say," replies Drift. "It could be virtually identical to ours, or it could be fantastically different."
*This final issue features 24 story pages instead of the usual 20, plus a three-page letter from James Roberts to close out the series, reflecting on it and ''More than Meets the Eye'' before it and thanking the audience and his many creative collaborators. Of particular note: Roberts once remarked in a [https://twitter.com/jroberts332/status/704107919369961472 tweet from February 2016] that "the last line of the last issue" of the series had already been written, but he explains in this letter that this final line was not used in the end. The line was "OVER TO YOU," to be scrawled graffiti-style on top of "THE END" on the final page, as a handing-over of the IDW Transformers universe into the hands of the next creative team (and, in a sense, to fan writers and artists, who will continue to produce works starring these incarnations of the characters long after the series is over). Roberts doesn't elucidate, but it's easy to interpret the line being dropped due to the the fact that the universe is ending, and there ''is'' no next creative team, and this really is... ''*snff*'' ...''the end'' for these characters.

===Covers (3)===
*'''Cover A:''' Our happy crew together, by [[Jack Lawrence]] and [[Joana Lafuente]]
*'''Cover B:''' A departing Rodimus casts a ''Lost Light''-shaped shadow, containing many artifacts from throughout the series (see "Other trivia," above), by [[Nick Roche]] and [[Josh Burcham]]
*'''Retailer incentive cover:''' [[Alex Milne]] returns to draw our heroes one last time, in an "updated" companion piece to [[:File:MTMTE vol1.jpg|his cover for the first ''More than Meets the Eye'' trade paperback]]; colours by [[Josh Perez]].
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[[Category: Lost Light issues]]

Life After the Big Bang

2018-11-05T02:19:35Z

Bluestreak7: /* Featured characters */ adding Dodger

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|title="Life After the Big Bang"
|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[April 18]], [[2012]]
|coverdate=April 2012
|story by=[[James Roberts]]
|art by=[[Alex Milne]]
|colors by=[[Josh Burcham]]
|letters by=[[Shawn Lee]]
|editor=[[John Barber]]
|continuity=[[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW continuity]]
|chronology=[[IDW timeline|Current era (2012)]]
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'''A mysterious transmission lures Ratchet, Drift and Pipes to the quarantined medical facility of Delphi, where Autobots are crying themselves to death...'''

==Synopsis==
[[File:Swerves bar life after the big bang.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.6]]
At the [[Autobot]] medical facility of [[Delphi]] on the planet [[Messatine]], [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] has begun to write a journal chronicling what he believes will be the last days of the outpost. After granting asylum to two [[Militant Monoform Movement]]-aligned [[Genericon]]s with a [[branched spark]] on the run from the [[Decepticon Justice Division]], Delphi has been beset by a terrible plague...a plague that sees its victims ''cry'' themselves to death...

Celebrations, meanwhile, are underway aboard the ''[[Lost Light]]'', as Autobots gather in [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]]'s newly-opened [[Swerve's|bar]] to celebrate finding themselves on the map. [[Ratchet (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ratchet]] and [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] talk privately about a strange occurrence the previous night; both former subscribers to [[Ironfist (G1)|Fisitron]]'s "[[Wreckers: Declassified]]" datalogs, the pair have just received a ''new'' datalog, which should be impossible, given that the author is dead. Although appearing to be only a string of random numbers, Ratchet recognized the data as medical statistics from Delphi, which reveal a bizarre trend: a constantly escalating death rate that has seen precisely half the outpost's patients die every month. Realizing that someone is trying to send him a message and that they are currently close to Messatine, Ratchet gathers up [[Drift (G1)|Drift]] and [[Pipes (G1)|Pipes]] for an excursion to the facility, hoping that it is nothing, and—with his own irreplaceable hands growing increasingly worn out—that he will be able to appoint its commanding officer [[Pharma (G1)|Pharma]] as new chief medical officer of the ''Lost Light'' in his place.

As this goes on, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus]] brings the news to [[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rodimus]] that [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] has decided he wants to be a [[Decepticon]]. With Magnus growing increasingly frustrated over his inability to enforce wartime laws in peacetime, Rodimus decides to have [[Rewind (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rewind]] give Tailgate a supercompressed history lesson, projecting the key moments of the war directly into his mind. Horrified by what he has seen, Tailgate realizes the foolishness of his choice, and immediately goes to take out his frustrations on [[Cyclonus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Cyclonus]], whom he believes gave him a twisted view of history to make him look a fool. Unfortunately, he makes the mistake of punching Cyclonus on the arm, provoking violent retribution from the ancient Cybertronian, who silently smashes him to the ground, kicks him, and leaves.

[[File:Drift killsDent LifeAfterBigBang.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5]]
On Messatine, Ratchet's team arrives at Delphi, discovering its main door marked with a gigantic red X. Pipes—over-impulsive due to the fact that this is his first time on another planet—smashes the door down before Ratchet can explain that the symbol warns of plague, and the little Autobot suddenly finds himself knee-deep in corpses, and in the path of a [[Dent|shambling, infected robot]]. Drift leaps to the rescue, slicing the plague carrier to pieces, at which point First Aid arrives to explain that, following a mysterious "big bang" five days prior, the facility has been infected by the [[Red Rust]] virus which liquefies its victims optics-first. Detailing their suspicion that the plague is the result of a chemical warfare bomb detonated by the D.J.D., First Aid leads them to ward manager [[Ambulon]], who suspects that Delphi's medics have been uniquely resistant to the infection, and further explains that long-term patients are likewise unaffected. First Aid requests Ratchet's input on a new process he has developed, using a healthy [[spark]] to jump-start an ailing one, that he hopes to use on one of the outpost's prominent coma patients, but Ratchet is more concerned with consulting with Pharma.

Pharma, unfortunately, was inside the facility's quarantine room when the big bang occurred, and has been automatically sealed inside and unable to communicate through its thick glass. As everyone is regarding his predicament, Pharma burns a message into his own hand, warning the assembled Autobots that, behind them, Pipes has succumbed to the plague. Drift keeps Pipes busy while Ratchet hacks the quarantine room lock and frees Pharma, but the Autobot samurai is splattered with some of Pipe's liquefied innards and he too falls prey to the Red Rust. Ratchet and Ambulon rush to do what they can as Pharma runs off to the holding cells, claiming that he has figured out what has happened, only to be greeted by the two Genericons, freed by parties unknown via a remote override. The two Decepticons corner the Autobots in the emergency ward, preparing to end them, but First Aid pipes up: he has gone ahead with his experimental process using his own spark, and successfully revived a ''very'' angry, fighting-mad [[Fortress Maximus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Fortress Maximus]]!
{{--}}

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*[[Rewind (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rewind]] (7)
*[[Skids (G1)|Skids]] (8)
*[[Sunstreaker (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Sunstreaker]] (9)
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==Quotes==

"Either it's '''very far away''', or you've invented the '''world's smallest drink.'''"
:—'''Ratchet'''

"'''Don't''' say I'm irritable. It really—it really irritates me."
:—'''Ultra Magnus'''

"You know, Ratchet, one day you'll say something '''nice''' to me—just before you tell me I've got a '''terminal illness''' or something."
:—'''Drift''', on his relationship with Ratchet

"That cross on the wall? The one you just '''ignored?''' It's the '''universal plague symbol'''. It means "stay the hell away" in a billion languages. It does '''not''' mean "ram raid a morgue"!" 
"Hands up who thinks this trip's just taken a slight turn for the worse."
:—'''Ratchet''' and '''Drift'''

"I '''know''' this guy. His name was Prowl." 
"Prowl?" 
"Not '''the''' Prowl, obviously. '''This''' Prowl changed his name to... '''Dent''', I think, to avoid confusion." 
"'''Dent?''' He called himself '''Dent?''' As in—as in '''dent?'''" 
"Yeah, well, all the best names are taken."
:—'''Ratchet''' and '''Drift'''

"'''Pipes,''' I presume?" 
"What gave it away? Was it the pipes?"
:—'''First Aid''' and '''Pipes'''

"I gave you the '''briefest''' overview of the war through the eyes of an outsider. '''You're''' the one who wanted to '''pick a side.''' Bad guys and good guys... do you '''really''' think life is as straightforward as that?"
:—'''Cyclonus''', mocking the entire fandom through Tailgate.

"Do you two realize where you're standing? No? Then let me '''explain.''' My name is '''Fortress Maximus'''. Five years ago I was attacked by a Decepticon so '''powerful''' he redefined the word. He took me down. '''Hard.''' I was paralyzed, lobotomized, and left for dead. All of which means that '''right now''', you two—you two '''Decepticons'''—being the '''very first''' Decepticons I've encountered since I was all but '''beaten to death'''—are standing in the '''very worst place in the universe.'''"
:—'''Fortress Maximus'''

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
*As with past issues, many story elements mentioned in James Roberts's earlier IDW works ''[[The Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers|Last Stand of the Wreckers]]'' and "[[Bullets]]" continue to return to play here, with [[Delphi]], [[Pharma (G1)|Pharma]], and [[Ambulon]] all getting their first pictorial appearances. In a silent but specific reference to the events of "Bullets", First Aid is shown to have given [[Dodger (G1)|Dodger]]'s Autobot badge pride of place among his collection after he found a message from [[Dominus Ambus|Agent 113]] embedded in it.
*The Militant Monoform Movement and the Transformer god [[Adaptus]] (suggested in this issue to be the god of transformation) were both previously mentioned in Robert's other IDW work, "[[Chaos Theory Part 1|Chaos Theory]]".
*In "[[Chaos Theory Part 1]]", Megatron refers to ancient apartheid over whether you were constructed cold or forged; here, we learn that forging is somehow associated with Adaptus, as Ratchet has to deny that he sees divine involvement in why forged Transformers make the best medics.
*Skids's mysterious gun disappears from his hand between pages 4 and 5. Although a few previous issues have contained errors that saw the gun left out, this time it is no mistake, as [[Rules of Disengagement (issue)|issue #7]] would go on to establish that Chromedome has palmed the weapon from the tipsy theoretician.
*Fortress Maximus has been offline since the events of ''Last Stand of the Wreckers''.
*First Aid mentions the phrase "life persists", likely in reference to Datalog 332 of ''Wreckers: Declassified'', which [[Verity Carlo]] completed in ''Last Stand of the Wreckers'' after Ironfist's death. First Aid was previously established as being a subscriber in "Bullets".
*Many key points of [[IDW timeline|Cybertronian history]] are mentioned during Rewind's speech. Those include the fall of the [[Grand Imperium]], [[Zeta Prime]], [[Declaration Day]], the [[Fall of the First Five Cities]], [[Vos (polity)|Vos]], [[Tarn (polity)|Tarn]], [[Helex (polity)|Helex]], [[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]], [[Tesarus (polity)|Tesarus]], [[Battle for Hell's Point|Hell's Point]], the resurgence of [[Militant Monoform Movement|Triple M]], the [[Simanzi Massacre]], the [[Endless Retaliation]], the rise of the [[Constellate]], [[Starscream (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Starscream]]'s attack on [[Moonbase Two|Luna 2]], [[Soundwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Soundwave]]'s [[anti-neutral pogrom]]s, [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s army, and the [[Five Dark Epochs]]: the [[Uprising (G1)|Uprising]], the [[Exodus (G1)|Exodus]], the [[Remote Age]], the [[Cataclysm (G1)|Cataclysm]], and the [[Surge (event)|Surge]].

===Transformers references===
*Ratchet, Drift, and Pipes ride [[Mobile Autobot Repair Bay|MARB]]s on Messatine, a kind of transport previously used by Ratchet way back in the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel comic]] story, "[[Repeat Performance!]]".
*Though a little hard to tell, what with him being all dissolving and the like, Dent's head design and the rather leonine sculpt to his chest seem to be references to the [[Prowl (G1)/toys#Beast Wars|''Beast Wars'' Prowl]] toy as a nod to their shared name, albeit in green, rather than yellow.
*Pipes has a retractable visor that covers his two eyes, allowing him to switch between his toy-based and [[character model]] looks.

===Trivia===
*The concept of a branched spark is another Roberts-ism introduced in ''Last Stand'' as a trait of the [[Jumpstarter]]s, with whom the two Genericons in this issue share some design cues.
*Tailgate's history lesson takes "11.3 seconds", another of James Roberts's [[113 (disambiguation)|many uses of the number 113]], in reference to [[Wanted: Galvatron — Dead or Alive!|the issue]] of the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)#Marvel UK|Marvel UK comic]] that hooked him on the series.
*Pharma claims that, for all they know, the Genericons could transform into [[Class 3 Ruination Tank]]s.

===Errors===
*On page 14, panel 4, First Aid "started" is misspelled "stared".

===Soundtrack===
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBsKxFrPmBA "The Next Life"] by {{w|Suede (band)|Suede}}
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYxNXj2L24s "Smokers Outside the Hospital Doors"] by {{w|Editors (band)|Editors}}

===Covers (3)===
*'''Cover A:''' Ratchet, Drift, and Pipes on Messatine, by Alex Milne and [[Josh Perez]].
*'''Cover B:''' Pipes, reflected in Drift's sword, by [[Nick Roche]] and [[Josh Burcham]].
*'''Cover RI:''' Ultra Magnus by [[Marcelo Matere]] and [[Priscilla Tramontano]], the first half of a combined image formed with the RI cover to ''[[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Devisive|#4]]

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File:MTMTE4_cvrA.jpg|[[Mobile Autobot Repair Bay|M.A.R.B.]]s!!!
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File:MTMTE4_cvrRI.jpg|Deal with this!
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Dodger (G1)

2018-11-05T02:18:31Z

Bluestreak7: Reading through the script I saw this interesting tidbit

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{{disambig2|the Autobot|the G.I. Joe human|Dodger (G.I. Joe)}}
:''Dodger is an [[Autobot]] from the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW portion]] of the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:DodgerG1.jpg|thumb|right|400px|His dodging days are over]]

'''Dodger''' is an Autobot soldier. He has no apparent Brooklyn accent.

==Fiction==
===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
Dodger was working with [[Dogfight (G1)|Dogfight]], [[Backstreet (G1)|Backstreet]], and [[Schema]] following the [[Surge (event)|Surge]] on the outskirts of Cybertronian contested space. He was caught in a firefight with the [[Decepticon Justice Division]], and got shot [[Dominus Ambus|cleanly through the eye of his Autobot insignia]]. For some reason this non-lethal, non-handicapping injury greatly concerned [[Delphi]]'s medic [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]], and he insisted on operating on Dodger immediately. {{storylink|Bullets}}

At one point he ended up back at Delphi in much worse condition. When [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] made a house call to the facility he inspected Dodger's comatose body and commented on how there was no signs of the [[Red Rust]] sickness that had taken over. A red X had been painted on his cheek to show he had contact with another afflicted, but remained in his original unconscious state. {{storylink|Life After the Big Bang}}

==Notes==
*Dodger is identified as the body Ratchet inspects in the original script for "Life After the Big Bang." In the script it points out he has an [[Autobot]] [[insignia]] in his midsection.

[[Category:IDW Generation 1 Autobots]]

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Talk:Dodger (G1)

2018-11-03T17:58:07Z

Bluestreak7: I'll do the work. I just want to make sure it's all good

I'm reading through the script for More Than Meets the Eye issue #4 and it says that Dodger is the bot that Ratchet is inspecting when he noticing that none of the long term patients are showing any signs of disease? That should be able to be included here even though it's not apparent in the final issue, right? We put in an image for [[Aquabat]] without him being called out directly in the comic. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] ([[User talk:Bluestreak7|talk]]) 13:58, 3 November 2018 (EDT)

Springer (G1)

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:''Springer is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:Springer-decipherthedecepticon.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|You're all clear kid, now let's blow this thing and go home!]]
'''Springer''' is the archetypal action hero: great in a fight, unselfconsciously brave, confident, and always ready with a dead-pan sarcastic quip to lighten the moment. Someone you can depend on to ride in, save the day and be smug about it.

Though his easy self-confidence is one of his most notable features, actually being responsible for others weighs heavily upon his otherwise jocular personality. Nonetheless, Springer ascended to lead the [[Wrecker]]s. He has twice been named as [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]]'s successor to take the [[Matrix of Leadership]] and lead the Autobots, though neither one actually came to pass.

Springer combines the thrusting power of his legs with his retro thrusters to move rapidly through the battlefield, leaping tall structures in a single bound. Although he is quite speedy, he is not faster than [[Superman|a speeding bullet]].

Sometimes he is previously known as '''Ostaros'''.

{{quote|I've got better things to do tonight than die.|Springer in the defense of [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]]|''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Neil Ross]] (English), [[Kenyū Horiuchi]] (Japanese)|[[Li Danqing]] (Chinese), [[Willi Röbke]] (German, "Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1–4" and "Nightmare Planet"), [[Peter Musäus]] (German), [[Ulrich Bernsdorff]] (German, "Webworld"), [[Bernd Simon]] (German, "Fight or Flee" and "Ghost in the Machine"), [[Frank Muth]] (German, ''The Movie'' TV dub), [[Pierre Hatet]] (French, ''The Movie''), [[Roberto Alexander]] (Spanish), [[János Bácskai]] (Hungarian, Second Movie Dub)}}

[[File:Springerarceecmonwoman.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|C'mon, woman!]]
Springer was among the first Autobots to leap into the [[Battle of Autobot City]] in 2005. He helped [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] transform the city into its heavily-armed, armored fortress configuration, and later used an oversized piece of artillery to bombard [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]].

[[File:Springer launcher devastator.jpg|right|upright=1.4|thumb|"Springer go make boom-boom now."]]
When [[Unicron]] made his existence known to the Autobots by destroying two of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s moons, Springer was among those who left Earth aboard a shuttle to stop the Chaos-Bringer somehow. The ship Springer was aboard crashlanded on the planet [[Junkion (planet)|Junk]], where a battle erupted between the Autobots and the native [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]], during which Springer dueled with the Junkion chieftain, [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]].

After arriving at Cybertron, Springer and the other Autobots wound up inside Unicron himself, where they desperately fought off Unicron's internal defenses. Luckily, just as one of the defensive claws was about to crush him, [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] opened the Matrix of Leadership, destroying Unicron and becoming Rodimus Prime. Springer and the rest escaped the monster by driving out through its eye and into space. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}
{{note|Springer’s involvement in these events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the comic mini-series “[[Transformers: The Animated Movie]],” the storybook “[[Transformers the Movie (Ladybird adaptation)|Transformers the Movie]]" and the "Special Edition The Transformers: The Movie extra page" of "[[Transformers: The Ultimate Pop-Up Universe]]."}}

[[File:Springerfivefacescopter.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|The physics of this makes no sense.]]
A year later, Springer attended the first [[Galactic Olympics]] alongside his fellow Autobots. Unfortunately, the festivities were interrupted by an [[Skuxxoid|alien mercenary]] who turned the Olympic torch into a giant flash/smoke grenade, and then a battalion of [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticons]] attacked. Springer was able to douse the torch from the air, but by then, the attackers had already fled, having captured [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]], [[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]] and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]]. Springer immediately volunteered to track the escaped alien saboteur, and was joined by Arcee. They followed their quarry to his strange base ship, an asteroid-like spacecraft referred to as a "[[Rockeroid]]". The mercenary fled after misleading his pursuers into believing that the Decepticons were behind the attack, and Springer was fortunately able to pilot his ship (barely). {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1}}

Springer flew the Rockeroid to the distant planet [[Chaar]], where he arrived just in time to save Rodimus Prime and [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] from being beaten to scrap by a mob of Decepticons. Later, a badly-damaged Rodimus prepared to pass the Matrix on to Springer in anticipation of his imminent demise. Fortunately, the Autobot leader did not die, but rather experienced the Cybertronian equivalent of a near-death experience, wherein his [[Spark|"life force"]] left his body to embark on a very trippy (and poorly animated) journey into the Matrix itself. Immediately afterwards, Springer participated in a daring rescue mission to save Ultra Magnus and the others from the [[Quintesson]]s, only for the group's ship to get caught in the explosion of [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintessa]]. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 2}}

Before long, they all wound up on [[Goo 8739B]], where Springer was disassembled by the planet's mobile garbage disposal unit. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 3}} Fortunately, he was rebuilt and restored to life by the Junkions. As Rodimus contemplated the mysteries of the Quintessons, Springer advised the others to leave him alone, give him some room to think, and trust him not to do anything rash. When he found that Rodimus had scrambled his own circuitry to enter the Matrix, Springer expressed his disapproval to his commanding officer in a calm and respectful manner. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}}

{{quote|Are you CRAZY?! Why'd you short-circuit yourself?! Get up, you... you moron!|Springer}}

Springer and the others returned to Cybertron in time to defend against a major Decepticon offensive. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}}

[[File:DarkAwakening-Springer.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a blaster by your-''WHERE'S MY BLASTER?!'']]
Sometime later, Springer, [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]], Grimlock and [[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)|Skydive]] were on-hand when [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] miraculously returned from the dead, telling tales of how Rodimus, Arcee and an Autobot shuttle crew gave their lives against the Quintessons so that he could escape, and return to Cybertron. Springer eagerly jumped on the bandwagon to follow Optimus and the entire Autobot fleet to hunt down the Quintessons and avenge Arcee and his friends. ''Especially'' Arcee. He was on board the flagship when Rodimus and the others, alive and well, intercepted the fleet and stopped the Quintesson trap from being sprung. {{storylink|Dark Awakening (episode)|Dark Awakening}}

When a strange unidentified ship entered Cybertronian air space, Rodimus Prime sent [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] and Springer out to rescue the occupant before he crash-landed. Inside, they found the long-lost Autobot Triple Changer known as [[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]], who now lived on a peaceful planet called [[Paradron]] which had just been invaded by the Decepticons. As the Autobots returned to Paradron to overthrow the Decepticon oppressors, Springer teamed up with Rodimus and Sandstorm to free the captive Paradronians. {{storylink|Fight or Flee (episode)|Fight or Flee}}

[[File:NightmarePlanetSteed.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|For Narnia!]]
Springer and Ultra Magnus picked up an electromagnetic disturbance in a remote region of Cybertron, and drove out with Rodimus Prime to investigate. They were ambushed by a [[Predacon (G1)|Predacon]] assassination squad, but ''all'' the Transformers were ambushed again by the Quintessons' latest toy: a device which turned the nightmarish dreams of [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel Witwicky]] into physical reality. Springer and the Predacon commander [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]] were kidnapped by a massive [[dragon]] and flown off to an isolated castle. Tossed into the dungeon, Springer and Razorclaw met a [[Fairy-tale princess|princess]] being held captive by the dragon. Going with the flow, Springer took up her quest to defeat the dragon and return the princess to her father. Knight Springer and his faithful steed Razorclaw, whom the princess had promised [[gold]] as reward, escaped the dungeon and took up the search for the "magic [[lance]]" necessary to kill the dragon. Riding into battle atop the Predacon's back, Springer plunged the lance into the dragon's chest and then followed the yellow brick road back to his friends. {{storylink|Nightmare Planet}}

While on monitor duty on Cybertron, Springer and Blurr caught sight of [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] on what appeared to be an attack vector. After the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] shot him down, the Autobots learned his "assault" was just the latest in a series of recent events involving [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream's ghost]], who had stolen the eyes of [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] and [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] for Unicron. Springer joined Ultra Magnus and the Protectobots on a spy mission to Unicron's head in order to investigate further, but they were violently repulsed by the Planet-Eater's internal defenses. Things got even more complicated once Scourge turned on his "partners" and reported to the Autobots that Unicron planned to use Trypticon's transforming cog to connect himself to Cybertron, and convert the entire planet into his new body. Luckily, Springer and the others were able to <s>casually chuck</s> plant energon explosives at the base of Unicron's head as he touched down, blasting him back out into space before he could connect with the planet. {{storylink|Ghost in the Machine (G1)|Ghost in the Machine}}

On a geological survey to uncover [[isidrite]] for their weaponry, Springer and the Autobots were attacked by [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]]'s forces, seeking the mineral for their own purposes. Luckily, Galvatron beat up most of his own troops for them, giving the Autobots a chance to depart. {{storylink|Webworld}}

[[File:VampireDepth.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|Coooookiiiieeees.]]
When Perceptor finished construction of a new experimental power core for Cybertron, Springer used his helicopter mode to lower the core into place. Naturally, the Decepticons attempted to acquire the power core for themselves, but were led astray by their Quintesson "allies" who instead directed them towards the [[Hibernation Chamber]] of the [[Trans-Organic]]s. Springer and the other Autobots caught up with the 'Cons just in time to find them in pitched battle with the unleashed Trans-Organics, including the massive and monstrous power-sapping [[Dweller]]. The Dweller drained the energy from its victims on contact, then placed them inside incubation tubes on its back. [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] and three [[Sweep (G1)|Sweeps]] were among its first victims. Springer valiantly scaled the creature and tore open its rear casing to free his friend and renew his series for another season. No good deed goes unpunished, though, for the creature had transformed Wreck-Gar into a [[Energy vampire|vampiric]] extension of itself, an undead robot who drained energy from others to feed it back into the Dweller itself. Springer became a victim of the very robot he tried to save. Luckily, Perceptor was able to concoct a method of correcting their power imbalance, restoring Springer, Wreck-Gar and the other victims to normal. The Dweller was launched into space once it latched onto the power core, thanks to Perceptor's bizarre security measures which allowed him to jettison the entire unit with the pull of a lever. {{storylink|The Dweller in the Depths}}

[[File:SpringerOnlyHuman.jpg|upright=0.9|thumb|Surprise, he's the green one!]]
Somewhere on Earth (it doesn't really matter where) a crime spree was raging, and the Autobots were called in to help. Springer lent his helicopter mode to rescue civilians trapped in burning buildings during a series of bombings. Springer, Arcee, Ultra Magnus and Rodimus Prime were called in by an anonymous tip that would be their "big break in the case". Springer laughed off the police chief when he suggested it might be a dangerous trap, but he stopped laughing when [[Victor Drath]] and "[[Cobra Commander|Old Snake]]" captured the Autobots inside of a minute. Not one to waste resources, Drath eliminated his enemies and developed powerful new weapons at the same time by converting the four Autobots' mental essence into synthetic organic forms. He ordered the organic material destroyed but, surprisingly, it seemed to form itself into four genuinely human bodies for the Autobots. Springer and the "Autobots" escaped Drath's thugs in the scrapyard where they were being disposed of, and sought cover in a nearby shed. In the sort of plot contrivance not revived until ''Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers'' years later, the Autobots found four matching jumpsuits inside, each perfectly replicating their individual color schemes. As a human, Springer faced some tough lessons, like shaving and dealing with sidewalk preachers.

[[File:Only-human-springer-helicoptermode.jpg|upright=1.1|left||thumb|Ultra-Titan-Masterpiece Springer - it's ''bigger'' than the real thing.]]
After finding Drath's men test-driving the Autobots' now-inanimate bodies in the city, Springer ingratiated himself with the gang due to his ability to "pilot" the Autobot like a pro. The gang was set to infiltrate Autobot City inside their robot drones and then detonate Metroplex from the inside-out. After learning the plan, Springer carjacked himself (rescuing the captured Ultra Magnus in the process) and then flew to intercept the other Autobots before they reached Autobot City. Desperate to keep the Autobots from innocently letting their "friends" inside, Springer opened fire on Autobot City himself in order to force the Autobots to raise their defenses before the explosive-laden vehicles got too close. He succeeded in getting himself shot out of the sky, but at least Metroplex was put on alert and the bombing of Autobot City was stopped. Perceptor whipped up a reversal-transference doodad, and Springer and the others were returned to their rightful bodies. {{storylink|Only Human}}

After Galvatron's goons sabotaged the master power generator on Cybertron with [[anti-electron]]s, the Autobots began experiencing system irregularities. In Springer's case, he was attempted to fly [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] to the repair bay when he transformed in mid-air and crashed instead. The problem was eventually corrected, but surely Springer missed out on a good opportunity to tease Sky Lynx about tarnishing his "oh so perfect" flight record. {{storylink|Grimlock's New Brain}}

[[File:CotP-BlasterEject.jpg|right|upright=1.1|thumb|Blaster, please, now isn't the time for this!]]
On a barren planetoid, Springer was fighting alongside Rodimus Prime, Ultra Magnus and [[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blaster]] against the Decepticons. They were pinned down in the trenches, waiting for "[[Sky Lynx (G1)|Commander Modesty]]" to arrive and lend some air support. Once he arrived, though, Sky Lynx and the other "[[primitive]]s" on both sides were called into space by a signal only they could hear. Before either side could fully comprehend what had happened, a massive energy creature known as [[Tornedron]] arrived, draining them dry of their energy. Luckily, Grimlock and the primitives eventually managed to save the universe and undo the power loss suffered by Springer and the others. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}

During a skirmish in [[Japan]], Springer was present when Rodimus temporarily reverted to Hot Rod. He and the other Autobots held off an attack by the Decepticons when Scourge briefly took control of them and the Matrix of Leadership. {{storylink|The Burden Hardest to Bear}}

When the Quintesson scientist was describing the consequences of leaving the [[Time Window|time window]] open, the scene showing temporal loops included a race, in which Springer was a participant.
{{storylink|Forever Is a Long Time Coming (episode)|Forever Is a Long Time Coming}}

====Japanese cartoon continuity====
=====''Legends'' comic (1)=====
In the [[Legends World|Legends Universe]], upon recognizing [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] and [[Tigatron]] recalled the scene where she fought [[Unicron]]'s inner defenses alongside Springer and Kup. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 10|Bonus Edition Vol. 10}}

In [[2004]], Springer founded the new Autobot unit known as the [[Wrecker]]s {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 7|Bonus Edition Vol. 7}} simply because he'd learned the name from [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] and [[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]] and thought it sounded cool. Their mission statement was "doing cool stuff", and when Optimus Prime disagreed and changed it to "cleaning up around [[Mount St. Hilary]]", Springer got so upset he transferred to [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]] instead. {{storylink|Jumpstarter Chapter}}

=====Wars manga=====
Springer fought against [[Shockwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Shockwave]]'s army of evil Autobot clones on one of Cybertron's moons. When Hot Rod and [[Dark Hot Rod]] went out to destroy the Decepticons' cloning facility, he didn't have much faith in them. {{storylink|Rodimus Wars}}

=====''The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms''=====
Responding to an SOS from deep space, a team of Autobots including Springer helped rescue a human spacecraft from the jaws of a spaceship-eating Decepticon vessel. {{storylink|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers issue 1|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers #1}}

When the Autobots were attacked by the [[Megatron Corps]], Springer speculated that perhaps the Quintesson were behind this new threat. The Megatrons proved to be tough opponents, and Springer and the other Autobots encouraged Rodimus to get away to safety while they held the Megatrons back, but the Autobot leader refused. Soon, it was discovered that one of the Megatrons was Galvatron in disguise, who was remote-controlling the duplicate Megatrons himself. Rodimus dispatched Galvatron, and the Megatrons lost power, allowing Springer and [[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]] to make short work of them. {{storylink|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers issue 2|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers #2}}

Springer was part of the Autobot team who traveled to the planet [[Feminia]] to defend its [[Prime Energy Tower]] against a Decepticon attack. Though things looked grim when [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]] joined the fight, the Autobots wound up winning the day when the [[Omnibot (G1)|Omnibot]]s showed up and toppled the Decepticon into its fellow combiners [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]], [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]], and [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. {{storylink|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers issue 5|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers #5}}

=====''The Great Transformer War''=====
After the resurrection of Optimus Prime, Springer battled [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and the other Decepticons in deep space. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 3|The Great Transformer War #3}}

=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
Alongside [[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]] and [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]], Springer was sent from [[Athenia]] to Cybertron in order to defend against a major Decepticon assault. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}} The Triple Changers then travelled to Earth, where they helped [[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Twincast]] sneak into [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] by keeping their Decepticon counterparts busy with a dogfight. {{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}}

=====''Legends'' comic (2)=====
After his separation from Arcee, Springer began to eat his feelings and, by the [[2030]]s, his Wrecker teammates began to show concern for his increased girth. Embarrassed, Springer vowed to turn his life around. When [[Whirl (G1)#Legends comic|Whirl]] and [[Roadbuster (G1)#Transformers Legends comic|Roadbuster]] told him of their homeplace of the [[Legends World]] and that he could get a new body there, Springer contacted [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] there, who created a portal for them to pass over. There, Springer got a new, sleek body from [[Rhinox (BW)#Legends comic|Rhinox]], and he immediately got a cadre of admirers. {{storylink|LG19 Sprung Prologue}} This drove [[Tigatron]] to jealously, and he stole Alpha Trion's [[10.2 ultra-drill|ultra-drill]] to bring in women from across the [[multiverse]] to adore the tiger. They all ultimately turned their attentions to Springer. Eventually, Springer came across the Legends Universe's [[Arcee (G1)#Transformers Legends comic|Arcee]], who he confused as [[Arcee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|his Arcee]]. After being corrected, Springer asked her out, but was immediately turned down. In shame, Springer fled back to his home dimension. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 19|Bonus Edition Vol. 19}}

On Springer's return, the other Wreckers pushed him into confessing his love to his own Arcee, though how she responded is unknown. When the Wreckers learned that the Legends World was under attack by [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]], they all agreed they had to help and traveled over there, {{storylink|Jumpstarter Chapter}} where Springer ended up held back by Windblade's [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmasters]] while [[Twin Twist]] battled her. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 65|Bonus Edition Vol. 65}} Once Windblade was defeated, Springer considered the case closed, though Twin Twist and [[Topspin (G1)|Topspin]] weren't so sure. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 66|Bonus Edition Vol. 66}}

====Madman ''The Transformers'' comic====
Springer aided in the Autobots' exodus of Cybertron when, in the year 2001, the Decepticons had managed to conquer the entire planet. He helped a wounded Wheeljack get aboard a spaceship as Optimus Prime covered their escape. {{storylink|The Transformers (Madman)|The Transformers}}

====''Wings Universe''====
{{Wingsnote}}
At the dawn of the [[Machine Wars (event)|Machine Wars]], Springer was granted full access to a "confiscated weapons" hold to better equip himself against [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] and his clone army. After arming himself to the teeth, he followed [[Strika (BM)|Strika]] and [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]] into battle against the invaders. {{storylink|Termination}}

====Ask Vector Prime====
In a universe where [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]] and [[gbwiki:Gong|Gong]] had mixed [[GoBot]]s into the [[Unicron War]], Springer helped fight off [[Cy-Kill (GoBots)|Cy-Kill]]'s ambush on Autobot City. He fired on [[gbwiki:Water Walk|Water Walk]] and teamed up with Arcee to help shift the fortress into its defensive configuration.

Then the universes twisted around each other, creating a timeline where the [[Guardian (GoBots)|Guardian]]s were besieged by Decepticons—a timeline where Springer never existed—and then a new timeline where members of all four factions were running around. After the death of [[Leader-1 (GoBots)|Leader-1]] and the advance of Unicron, Springer was forced to flee Earth with [[gbwiki:Major Mo|Major Mo]], Arcee, Nick, and A.J. when Galvatron and his new minions [[Fracture (Movie)|Fracture]] and [[Deadlift]] attacked.

Springer's ship was shot down over [[Quartex (planet)|Quartex]], where they encountered [[gbwiki:Magmar|Magmar]]'s evil [[Rock Lord]]s. When Kup and Hot Rod arrived from [[Antares 3|Antares III]], the re-united forces forged an alliance with [[gbwiki:Boulder|Boulder]]'s heroic Rock Lords and drove off the villains. The Autobots, Guardians, [[gbwiki:RoGuns|RoGun]]s, and Rock Lords made their way to Cybertron, where they battled Unicron. Unbeknownst to any, [[Vector Prime]] had fixed the crumbling reality from behind the scenes, and restored the Matrix to its normal state, allowing for Hot Rod to become Rodimus Prime and save the day. {{storylink|Echoes and Fragments}}

====''Deviations''====
In a world where Optimus survived the Battle of Autobot City, Springer was aboard Ultra Magnus’s shuttle; on Optimus’s orders, they planned to return to Cybertron and finish the Decepticons before they could regroup.

On the way back to Cybertron, the Autobot convoy was attacked by “Megascream” – the new leader of the Decepticons, a reformatted Starscream now in service of Unicron. Hot Rod impulsively decided to reverse the engines, and his maneuver warped the ship to the [[Tyrolian Quadrant]], above the planet Junkion. With the shuttle now critically damaged, Springer yelled at Hot Rod for his recklessness; although Hot Rod and Daniel ejected aboard an escape pod, the other members of the ship died when the shuttle exploded over Junkion. {{storylink|Transformers: Deviations|Deviations}}

===Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics===
{{noteukexclusive|Springer}}
[[File:Triplechangerstarget2006.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|This trinity's going to war!]]
Springer was a member of the Wreckers commando squad, originally meant (with the other Triple Changers) to substitute for [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Magnus]] in [[Operation: Volcano]] to fend off the [[Decepticon]] reinforcements while the other Wreckers dealt with Cybertron's deadliest. [[Emirate]] [[Xaaron]] decided to the best way to convince [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]] that Springer, [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]], and [[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]] were up to replace Magnus was by having them pretend to be Decepticons and beating the [[Slag (slang)|slag]] out of him. So that's more or less what they did. Except they had to gang up against him. While he was unarmed. And with an [[inhibitor claw]] on his back. Nonetheless they did impress the Wreckers leader, and quickly begun training in [[Debris]]. But even as Volcano began, there were still worries that the three newcomers might not be enough to replace Magnus. Ultimately, Volcano did not take place, instead being replaced by Impactor having half his head blown off by a [[Macabre|nobody Decepticon]]. After blowing Macabre away, Springer and the Wreckers watched Impactor's life pass away. Evidently particularly impressed by Springer, Impactor chose him as his replacement to lead his motley crew. {{storylink|Target: 2006}}

[[File:Magnus springer under fire.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|"Springer, I swear this is just pollen."]]
Despite Springer being placed in this position of authority, he continued to unquestioningly take orders from Ultra Magnus. Under his command, they tracked down what Magnus thought was a Decepticon spy disguised as Optimus Prime, and prepared to gun him down. Unbeknownst to them, the Autobot commander was the genuine article. The execution was interrupted by Outback, who distracted Springer and his Wreckers with a gas particle bomb in order to allow Prime to escape. Springer was unperturbed by this turn of events, and assured Ultra Magnus that his troops would catch up to the escapees in a few breems. Magnus requested instead that he be allowed to chase down the "spy" himself, borrowing a trio of [[Guardian (Marvel)|Guardian]] units to do so. {{storylink|Under Fire!}} Doubt began to creep into Magnus's mind as he pursued his quarry, however. Springer and the other Wreckers joined in chasing the "spy" while [[Xaaron|Emirate Xaaron]] was called in to voice his opinion on the situation. Springer, Whirl, Broadside and Sandstorm were the ones who located the target first, but Xaaron arrived in time to recognize that Optimus truly was who he purported to be, and Optimus was welcomed back into the fold. {{storylink|Distant Thunder!}} Afterwards Prime rallied the Autobot forces on Cybertron, leading Springer and the other Wreckers on raids to secure Decepticon-held ressources. The last of these raids launched without Optimus present however, as it served as a distraction, allowing him to face off against Megatron while Springer and the others kept the Decepticon rank-and-file occupied. {{storylink|Resurrection!}}

After the super-Decepticon [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] wound up trapped in the hardened lava-flow of [[Mount Verona]] on Earth, Springer sent three of his soldier, [[Sizzle (G1)|Sizzle]], [[Guzzle (G1)|Guzzle]], and [[Fizzle]], to keep tabs on him. But when their first report came in, they had shocking news: not only had Galvatron broken free from his prison, but the trio had lost track of him after he had made his way to the Ocean floor off the coast of Florida. Springer was at a loss on what to do next, considering that Galvatron had proved near-invincible in the past. {{storylink|Enemy Action!}}

[[File:Generic autobots marvel uk 166.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.3|Being nuked is no excuse for lack of proper hallway etiquette, Springer. ]]
Springer felt unworthy of his role as leader, and suffered from worries that he couldn't handle it, worries made worse when he proved unprepared as [[Kalis]] was overrun by the undead. Upon facing Impactor's [[zombie]], Springer mentally crumbled, rendering him completely ineffective against the shambling horde. The Wreckers were captured by the zombies' master, the mad scientist [[Flame (Marvel)|Flame]], and the lot of them were put in a cell guarded by the undead Impactor. As they were all fitted with [[inhibitor band]]s, preventing them from transforming, Springer's leaping abilities presented the Wrecker's with only one means of escape; the tormented Triple Changer would have to overcome his self-doubt, and jump through a ceiling grate to reach the surface. Xaaron convinced Springer to once more believe in himself, but as he made the jump, Impactor grabbed a hold of Springer, and both burst into the ventilation ducting above. By imploring him to fight Flame's control, Springer succeeded in getting Impactor's mind to resurface, allowing him to carry on to meet up with Ultra Magnus's team. {{storylink|Legion of the Lost!}} After informing Magnus's team of had been going on, Springer doubled back to put an end to the crazed scientist's schemes. As they walked, Springer learned that Magnus had also recently made a questionable decision as leader of his unit; letting his Decepticon captive, [[Flywheels]], go in order to secure reinforcements. Springer sympathized with his fellow commander, as they both were forced to make impossible decisions and live with the consequences.

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By the time Springer's group made it back to the Wreckers' cell, the prisoners had already freed themselves and made short work of another legion of zombies. Both groups merged, only to find their path blocked by a massive blast door. Taking [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] with him, Springer headed for the surface once more, this time to grab some heavy armament and blast through this newest obstacle. They didn't get far before coming upon [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]! But the massive Decepticon was on their side; Flywheels had come through with reinforcements after all. With the behemoth's help, the Autobots breached Flame's inner sanctum, though a little too late. The planetary engines were already destabilizing, and the only way to shut them down was to go into a control room already bathed in deadly radiation. Springer volunteered to lay down his life for the mission, but Xaaron insisted on doing it himself. Cutting through the remnants of Flame's zombie army, Springer made it back to the surface... and was soon joined by Xaaron after all! It turned out, the undead Impactor had once more sacrificed himself to save his homeworld. Springer and the Autobots stood in solemn silence, paying homage to their fallen comrade for his heroism. {{storylink|Meltdown!}}

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That done, it was time for the main mission: Take the Wreckers to Earth to face [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]. Springer helped prepare for the journey while Ultra Magnus and the Sparkler Mini-bots found themselves getting roped into another mission on Cybertron. {{storylink|Deadly Games!}} Unfortunately, Springer's team found themselves sent by the [[space bridge]] to a human city, as Galvatron was meeting with two other time-displaced Decepticons, [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]]. Though this threatened to compromise the mission immediately, the Wreckers nonetheless threw themselves at their foe. As Springer had predicted, the fight against Galvatron began causing major destruction and endangerment of human life, so he decided to lure Cyclonus and Scourge away, pretending he'd captured Galvatron's time-jump device. The rest of his team quickly followed, saving Springer from getting killed by the two Decepticon stooges, but allowing Galvatron to escape in the process. The mission a failure, Springer led the Wreckers back to Cybertron with the intent of returning for Galvatron later. {{storylink|Wrecking Havoc}}

[[File:Uk203 cover detail.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|"See Springer, that's the difference between you and I. Organization. Careful thinking. Forward
planning. And that is why I sleep in the arms of a beautiful woman and you spend your evenings alone in your bedsit. With ''cheap porn''."]]
On their homeworld, Springer managed to form a tenuous alliance with [[Carnivac (G1)|Carnivac]]'s [[Mayhem Attack Squad]]; a time storm resulting from the super-Decepticon's prolonged stay in the past had formed, threatening all of reality and convincing the Decepticons to aid in the Wreckers' mission to return him to his proper era. Unfortunately, by the time the Autobots' [[Advance Surveillance Unit]] located Galvatron once more, he had formed an alliance with "[[Straxus (G1)|Megatron]]." Even with the support of the Decepticons, the Wreckers were massacred, with Springer's order to retreat and fight a running battle doing nothing to stop the slaughter. He did manage to speak with Scourge during the battle though, convincing him to help in mending the [[time rift]] by fetching Cyclonus's body. Furthermore, Springer's heroism impressed Mayhem leader [[Carnivac (G1)|Carnivac]] so much he disobeyed his orders to kill the surviving Autobots; the two also saved each other's life during the battle. {{storylink|Time Wars}}

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In the battle's aftermath, Springer and his remaining teammates were left stranded on Earth, with their compatriots on Cybertron telling them they were unable to send over a new ship. Growing frustrated and paranoid, the Wreckers began to believe that the other Autobots were embarrassed by their task force, and were purposely ignoring them. They were approached by Carnivac and Catilla, who felt equally abandoned by their own faction. With them was another Decepticon [[Pretender]], [[Snarler]], who still felt that allying with the Autobots constituted treason. Himself hesitant to join forces, Springer was relieved when Inferno reported on a procession of emergency vehicles passing by, and used this development to postpone the conversation. Springer, Inferno, and Broadside investigated while the Decepticons hung back.

The Autobots found [[Skids (G1)|Skids]], recently released from [[Limbo]], threatening to explode the [[Hudden Nuclear Power Plant]] in order to eradicate several monsters that had spawned from his dreams in the nether-dimension. Springer and the others managed to talk him down from triggering a nuclear meltdown, but hesitated in killing the monsters, fearing that their destruction would lead to Skids's death. The odds stacked against them, Springer called upon the Decepticons they had met earlier for aid. Snarler and Catilla arrived in time to turn the tide of battle and all of the monsters were killed. Better yet, it turned out that Skids could survive independently from the monsters after all! Fighting alongside Carnivac once more put to rest any doubts Springer had; he readily accepted the Decepticon's offer to band together. Their group branded themselves the "[[Survivors]]," with Springer becoming their leader. {{storylink|Survivors!}}

[[File:Springer broadside inferno skids survival run.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|That WAS a unicorn, I swear it!]]
Carnivac eventually chafed under his leadership, and whacked Springer one, while ranting that he had grown tired of rescuing humans all the time. Though Catilla tried to convince Springer to have patience with the Decepticon, Carnivac's outburst convinced Springer that they would never see eye-to-eye. Unfortunately for Carnivac, he left Springer's group right when a new Mayhem Attacked Squad arrived to kill him! {{storylink|Way of the Warrior}} When he learned of Carnivac's plight, Springer decided that their teammate had forfeited his membership to the Survivors already, and thus was on his own to deal with his attackers. Catilla was outraged by this verdict, and left to help out his fellow ex-Decepticon. Springer turned to his fellow Autobots, looking for approval for his decision, only to be met with glares and scowls. {{storylink|Survival Run}} He was convinced by the others to go to Carnivac's aid, but while Carnivac was saved, [[Catilla (G1)|Catilla]] was killed. {{storylink|A Savage Place!}}
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====Earthforce====
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[[File:Wolf in the Fold Springer.jpg|left|upright=0.85|thumb|Grrrrr. >:(]]
Springer wanted to wait for the Mayhem Attack Squad to make the first mistake before seeking vengeance for Catilla, but Carnivac couldn't wait. He set off on his own to enact his revenge. Without time to formulate a decent plan, Springer realized the Survivors would need raw numbers to defeat the Mayhems, and that meant dealing with [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] and [[Earthforce]]. Asking for help to save a Decepticon... Springer ruminated that Grimlock was likely to declare them all traitors on the spot. {{storylink|Wolf in the Fold!}} Still, they went to Earthforce, pledging the Survivors' allegiance in return for them helping rescue Carnivac. Upon storming the beach where the Mayhems were holed up however, Springer learned from Bludgeon that they were apparently too late; according to him, Carnivac was already dead! However, it turned out that Carnivac had only faked his death by allowing the destruction of his Pretender shell. He turned up just as Springer was about to execute Bludgeon in revenge, staying the Autobot's hand in order to deny Bludgeon a warrior's death. The remaining Mayhems were taken into Autobot custody, Snarler, Needlenose, and Spinister having already met their end at Carnivac's hands. {{storylink|Where Wolf?}}

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Soon thereafter, the Earth-based Decepticons under [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]] and [[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]] attempted to divide the Autobots' attention, staging a full-scale assault on [[Earthbase]] while Starscream secured a [[Oil tanker|tanker full of fuel]] in the meantime. While the main Earthforce defended their base, however, Springer led the Survivors in fighting back against Starscream's energy-stealing attempt. {{storylink|Divide and Conquer!}} When [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] came under the mental thrall of one of [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]]'s cerebro shells, Springer acompanied Grimlock and [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] in their attempts to stop the rampaging combiner. Superion proved to be too powerful to stop with brute force, and so the Autobots coerced [[Irwin Spoon]] into infiltrating Superion's infra-structure, and removing the cerebro shell manually. Irwin succeeded in the nick of time, stopping Superion just before Springer and the others were forced to open fire on him to prevent a township from being crushed. {{storylink|Inside Story!}}
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====Marvel UK future timelines====
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''At some point, earlier in their careers, Springer and Ultra Magnus managed to evade Megatron's forces by triggering a domino-effect within an asteroid field near the planet [[Beta 4|Beta Four]]. They caused the space rocks to collide into one another until the debris made it impossible for the Decepticons to track them.'' {{storylink|Judgment Day!}}

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''In [[2005]], Springer was stationed at [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]] when it came under a major offensive from Megatron and his Decepticons. He and Arcee transformed the outpost into its defensive configuration, but the enemy nevertheless managed to breach its walls. The Decepticons were eventually driven off, but at a steep price; in the battle's aftermath, Optimus lay mortally wounded. Afterwards, Springer witnessed Optimus pass on the Matrix of Leadership over to Ultra Magnus before expiring on his deathbed.'' {{storylink|The Planet-Eater!}}

''The Autobots were only given a brief respite before more bad news reached them: a "monster planet," [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]], was encroaching on Cybertron, and devouring its moons! The Autobots quickly prepared to head to Cybertron aboard two shuttles, only to be attacked by Decepticon forces led by [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], the upgraded form of Megatron. In a last-ditch effort to lose the Decepticons, Ultra Magnus ordered an emergency separation of his group's shuttle. After Galvatron destroyed the jettisoned portion of the vessel (and declared the Matrix destroyed), Springer and his crewmates landed their craft on the [[Junkion (planet)|Planet of Junk]] for repairs.'' {{storylink|Judgment Day!}}

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''Though the young boy [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel]] insisted he wanted to help out, Springer dismissed him, advising the human to stay inside and "play with crayons or something." He showed a more supportive side, however, after Arcee provided Daniel with an [[exosuit]], allowing him to match the Autobots' resilience. But the Autobots barely got any work done before the Decepticons tracked them down once more. Ultra Magnus was drawn in quarters, and Galvatron took off with the Matrix in hand. Worse yet, the hostile [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]] next moved in for an attack. Thankfully, Another group, comprising Kup, Hot Rod, and others, then arrived and made peace-talk with the Junkions. All those on Junk then readied for a confrontation against Unicron. This engagement saw the Autobots' ship crash through the titan's eye, and Springer's group found Bumblebee, Jazz, and Spike inside Unicron. Also within Unicron, Hot Rod retrieved the Matrix, which both upgraded him into Rodimus Prime and began a chain reaction, culminating in Unicron's destruction! With the threat now dealt with, the Autobots gathered around Rodimus Prime, who announced that this day would mark a new chapter in Cybertronian history, one that would hopefully contain much peace and happiness.'' {{storylink|The Final Battle!}}

[[File:Peace Rodimus Springer.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|left|Springimus Prime?]]
In [[2008]], Springer was briefly seen among a massive melee between the Autobots and Decepticons on Cybertron. {{storylink|The Legacy of Unicron!}} Later that year, he was stationed in Autobot City on Earth as it came under siege from Quintesson invaders. All Autobots within the outpost were off-lined and strung up to its outer walls by the aggressors. They were eventually rescued after Hot Rod managed to activate [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] and drove the Quintessons off. {{storylink|Space Pirates!}}

In one future, set in the year [[2510]], the war with the Decepticons finally came to a conclusion. Springer led his Wreckers into battle in Cybertron's northern hemisphere, wiping out the last of the remaining Decepticon warriors. When [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Rodimus Prime]] officially declared the war over, he decided to nominate Springer to carry on the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] for him. Tragically, however, things wouldn't be that simple. A deep-cover Decepticon named [[Triton]] stirred up trouble at the meeting by declaring Ultra Magnus a better choice for the new Autobot leader. His antics led to a brawl between Springer's Wreckers and the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]], who favored Ultra Magnus. Although Triton was killed in the fight, it was too late: the war began again, this time with Autobot vs. Autobot. {{storylink|Peace}}

====Another Time & Place====
[[File:Another Time Place Fangry.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb]]
Grimlock and the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] rushed off half-cocked searching for a cure for [[Nucleon (substance)|Nucleon]] on [[Hydrus Four]], and it was up to the Autobots to bail them out of trouble when they were caught by the Decepticons. Working with a small group (including [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]], [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]], [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]), Springer caught the Decepticon [[Fangry (G1)|Fangry]] alone and pulled him into the sea. Before he could fight back, Springer used a thermal knife to amputate both of his arms, leaving the [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] helpless against his Autobot attackers. Cold, Springer. Awesome, but cold.

The Autobots then sprung a surprise attack on the remaining Decepticons, ending in a total victory for Springer and his teammates. With [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s defeat, and [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]]'s revival aborted, the war finally came to an end. {{storylink|Another Time & Place}}

====Marvel ''Generation 2'' comic====
[[File:Springerg2.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|left|Hey, Marvel US, it's me!]]
When the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronians]] ambushed the [[Autobot]]s on the planet [[Ethos]], Springer was in charge of a squad consisting of former [[Wrecker]]s buddies [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] and [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]], Inferno's buddy [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]], and [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]]. Although Springer warned his squad to stay close together, Smokescreen broke formation, resulting in his death and the injuring of Ironhide. Smokescreen's death caused Inferno to lose his temper, and he subsequently also died despite Springer's warnings. {{storylink|Escalation!}}

Springer later helped lay [[Sky Sniper]] mines on Earth, in preparation for a final stand against the coming of the [[Swarm (G2)|Swarm]]. {{storylink|A Rage in Heaven!}}
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====''Classics''====
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[[File:Classics Ultramagnus Springer Grimlock comic.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Springer's the one who doesn't know how binoculars work. Well, one of them, anyway.]]
Springer mainly worked alone against the Decepticons until after [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s defeat on [[Klo]]. Fearing the end of the conflict that was so important to him, he was eager to sign on with Grimlock's crew. {{storylink|Games of Deception|''Classics'' Springer's ''Timelines'' profile}}

Fifteen years after the Autobot/Decepticon war ended on Klo, Springer was head of security under Substitute Commander Ultra Magnus aboard the ''[[Graviton (Classics)|Graviton]]'' as it tracked [[Bug Bite (GoBots)|Bug Bite]] to Earth. Springer was looking forward to seeing Grimlock again. Once on Earth, Springer and Ultra Magnus were spying on a meeting between the Decepticons that had followed Bludgeon and those that had thrown their lot in with Starscream. After observing Mirage get captured and Bug Bite using modified [[cerebro-shell]]s to control some of the assembled Decepticons, they withdrew. Later using modified cerebro-shell jammers, Springer was part of the Autobot force that disrupted Bug Bite's meeting with [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]]. The disrupted meeting led to Decepticon firing on Decepticon and in the chaos that followed, Springer disabled the Decepticon computers, allowing the raiding party to withdraw with a rescued Mirage. {{storylink|Games of Deception}}

[[File:AtFightsEnd-OverkillDragstripAcidStorm.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|And then there was a fight. We guess.]]
Later, [[Acid Storm (G1)|Acid Storm]], [[Drag Strip (G1)|Drag Strip]], and [[Overkill (G1)|Overkill]] were waiting on a dusty planet when Springer's rogue team of Autobots attempted to hunt them down. {{storylink|At Fight's End}}
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====''Regeneration One''====
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[[File:Wreckers loose ends.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Alright you lazy bums, it's time to make 'em sorry for leaving us outta the first eighty issues!]]
Springer interrupted [[Kup (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Kup]]'s [[solid light simulation|holographic training session]] (just before Kup would have been defeated by [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]]) to tell him that the [[Skyscorcher]]s were holed up in the [[Pax Cybertronia Decommissioning Depot]], where they feared they would detonate [[Warbird|cobalt-60 warheads]]. Though disapproved by [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]], Springer and the [[Wrecker]]s invaded the facility and captured the Deluxe [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]]s, saving countless lives. The Wreckers joined Kup in his quest to help the other planets affected by the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]], and travelled to [[Earth]], hitching a ride aboard the [[Cosmic Carnival]]. Unfortunately they learned the entire planet had been devastated, and were summarily blown out of the sky by nuclear missiles, launched by Megatron. {{storylink|Loose Ends, Part 1}}

[[File:Springer ratbat loose ends.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.2| Let me tell you, getting BOFFed is no laughing matter.]]
Using escape pods, they crash-landed on Earth. To send a message of their findings to Cybertron, Springer and the Wreckers targeted the [[Deep Space Network]]. While [[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]], [[Leadfoot (G2)|Leadfoot]] and [[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]] drew off most of the pursuing zombie-cons, Kup, [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] and Springer made for the dish. When more pursuers appeared, Kup peeled off to deal with them, urging Springer and Whirl to get the message through. {{storylink|Loose Ends, Part 2}} After [[Rack'n'Ruin (G1)|Rack'n'Ruin]] discovered and was attacked by [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Circuit Smasher]], Springer and the other Wreckers quickly surrounded the super-human until a truce was reached. Circuit Smasher, a.k.a. Spike Witwicky took the Wreckers to [[Argus Base]] where they met with [[G.B. Blackrock]]. As they all discussed the fate of Earth and of Spike, they received a broadcast from Megatron holding Kup hostage—an obvious trap, but one that gave Springer an idea. {{storylink|Loose Ends, Part 3}}

Springer took fellow helicopters Sandstorm and Whirl to engage Megatron's forces—knowing it was likely a suicide mission—to give the other Wreckers and Spike's team a chance to storm the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]. After Springer was brought down by [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]], Megatron told him that though killing had lost its appeal, he occasionally would do so to set an example to those who would oppose him. Before Megatron could follow through, Optimus Prime and his team arrived. {{storylink|Loose Ends, Part 4}}

Prime commanded Megatron to let Springer go, but the Decepticon leader coldly executed him, sending Prime into a furious attack. {{storylink|Loose Ends, Part 5}} Kup was very upset over Springer's death, and blamed his death on Optimus's inaction. {{storylink|Natural Selection, Part One}}

Another version of Springer was killed in a parallel future, and his corpse was briefly seen by Hot Rod as he passed through on a journey from Primus. {{storylink|Less Than Zero}}

===Marvel coloring books===
Millions of years ago, before the Ark first left for the Earth, Springer loaded a particularly large shipment of Energon onto the Ark. It would later become lost when the Ark crashed into Mt. St. Hillary. {{storylink|The Lost Treasure of Cybertron}}

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Springer was returning from a road trip with Daniel, Hound and Hot Rod, Bumblebee, Blurr, Wheelie, Kup and Sunstreaker when the group paused to eat at a rest stop. As the Autobots ingested Energon Cubes, Hot Rod asked Kup to tell a story. Kup told the others the story of the loss of the large shipment of Energon, and how it remained lost to the day. Enthralled by Kup's story, the rest of the group were all eager to go looking for this lost treasure. Then Sunstreaker and Springer noticed Laserbeak taking off from their location. The two Autobots realized that Laserbeak had been spying on them the whole time, and would soon inform Galvatron about the lost Energon shipment. Springer and Susntreaker attempted to shoot down Laserbeak to no avail. Springer and the others rushed back to Metroplex to inform Ultra Magnus on the situation. After a brief conference, Ultra Magnus led his troops to the Ark's crash site. Finding the Decepticons there already, the two factions began to fight. The stash of Energon was uncovered when Rumble used his earthquake-inducing abilities. Springer snatched the box up immediately, and attempted to keep it away from the Decepticons by tossing it to Brawn, who in turn tossed it to Grimlock. The box of energon was torn open and was completely gobbled up by Starscream, who proclaimed himself the most powerful Decepticon. With nothing left to fight over, Springer and the Autobots left Galvatron and Starscream to their squabble. {{storylink|The Lost Treasure of Cybertron}}

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===Sticker Adventures===
[[File:Springer botjp.jpg|left|upright=0.85|thumb|In the Special Edition, Wreck-Gar shoots first.]]
Springer was one of four Autobots working on mapping the universe when their shuttle is hit by a meteor. Forced into an emergency landing on the [[Junkion (planet)|Junk Planet]], they were attacked by [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]] until Hot Rod & Kup arrived to save their skidplates. {{storylink|Battle on the Junk Planet}}
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===Toy pack-in material===
Springer teamed up with [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] and [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] during a tumultuous battle on a moonbase, in an attempt to slay [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]. Springer managed to sock Galvatron good, sending the tyrant hurling away. {{storylink|Decipher the Decepticon}}

When the Decepticons stole the Creation Matrix, Springer was called upon by Ultra Magnus to help retrieve it. Thanks to an army of [[decoy]]s, the Autobots were successful in retrieving their sacred relic. {{storylink|Start Your Own Decoy Collection}}

===Find Your Fate Junior===
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====Autobot Alert!====
Alongside Beachcomber and Blurr, Springer was assigned a secret mission; to uncover the location of a sphere of cybertite, containing an ancient Autobot formula. Partway through the mission, Decepticon storm troopers blasted their way into the Autobots’ research centre, stole a secret message Springer had coded for Kup’s eyes only, and short-circuited him.

In one possible scenario, a squad of Autobots reached the Autobots’ desert research centre, and Sringer was fixed up by Ratchet. Fully operational once more, he explained that the cybertite sphere crashed down in a nearby crater centuries ago, but was found by humans during the 16th century who subsequently moved it. If the Decepticons had decoded Springer's message, they would be searching off the coast of California, where the ship containing the sphere had sunk. If they hadn’t decoded the message, the Decepticons would still be digging in the nearby crater. Springer was for heading towards the crater first.

If Ultra Magnus decided to head for the California coast right away, he split up his forces to more efficiently handle the situation. Springer was part of the main Autobot forces that were led towards the coast by Ultra Magnus. Arriving at the scene, Ultra Magnus’s troops were informed by Powerglide (who had flown ahead of the land-bound group) that he had discovered the location of the sunken ship containing the cybertite sphere. Simultaneously, Blurr caught up with the group to inform them that the Decepticons were quickly approaching. The Autobots then needed to decide whether they would raise the ship themselves, or try and ambush the Decepticons after they had done so.

If Ultra Magnus decided to have his Autobots hide while the Decepticons raised the ship, Springer found himself in a cave with Seaspray and Topspin. The three Autobots spied Devastator retrieving the sunken ship from the water, and decided that the three of them would snatch the sphere away from the Decepticons.

If Springer Seaspray and Topspin executed their plan before any of the other Autobots, Springer instructed the two seaworthy Autobots to head out a few miles, and then return to create a distraction while he retrieved the sphere. The plan went off without a hitch, and Springer used his powerful leg mechanisms to leap his way back to Metroplex. {{storylink|Autobot Alert!}}
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====The Invisibility Factor====
In one possible scenario, the Autobots were informed by Kup and Hot Rod that the Decepticons had taken possession of an [[Invisibility Device]], created by the human [[Sarah Sanders]], and taken it into space to study it. Ultra Magnus put together a team of Autobots and took off in one of their shuttles to pursue them. Springer was the shuttle’s pilot. Once in space, however, the Autobots had difficulty pinpointing the Decepticons’ location. The ship’s crew had to decided where to look next for the Decepticons. Springer grimly considered that the Decepticons might be anywhere, as they had already figured out the workings of the Invisibility Device.

If the Autobots decided to investigate the dark side of the moon, they found themselves unable to see anything on the satellite’s shadowy surface. Springer waited silently as Ultra Magnus, Jazz and Hot Rod discussed possible plans of action.

If Ultra Magnus decided to go through with Hot Rod’s plan of shooting down to trick the Decepticons into revealing themselves, the Autobots succeeded only in making themselves an easy target for their enemies. The Decepticons blasted their shuttle to bits. Springer and his friends were reduced to space junk.

If Ultra Magnus listened to Jazz’s plan, he ordered his Autobots to remain silent, and to shut off all of the shuttle’s lights and mechanisms. Launching a probe as a decoy, the Autobots successfully tricked the Decepticons into revealing their position when they mistook the probe as their shuttle and opened fire upon it. Firing back, the Autobots began crippling the Decepticons’ ship, until a lucky shot rocked their own shuttle. Though the Decepticons attempted to escape while the Autobots were off-balance, Springer took careful aim and delivered the finishing blow, ending the Decepticons’ menace as the evil robots' ship exploded.

In an alternate scenario wherein the Autobots listened to Prowl’s suggested and searched the Asteroid Belt beyond Mars, they soon found themselves struggling to get through the maze of floating rocks. Though they began receiving damage as they travelled deeper into the asteroid field, Springer wanted to continue exploring it, stating that if the Decepticons could do it, so could he. Hot Rod pointed out that they did not even know for sure if the Decepticons had headed into the belt in the first place.

If the Autobots pushed on their search in the Asteroid Belt, they soon found themselves on a collision course with two enormous asteroids. If despite his best efforts, Springer only managed to blast one of asteroids, the Autobots were forced to retreat back to Earth after their shuttle took substantial damage. If Springer managed to blast neither of the Asteroids, they were all crushed between the giant pieces of space debris.

If they managed to blast away both asteroids, they reached a vast, empty expanse of space within the asteroid belt. Springer and the others were not given much time to regain their bearings, as the Decepticons, now invisible, began firing upon their shuttle. The Autobots considered retreating, but Kup reminded them that Sarah Sanders had not perfected her device yet, and the Decepticons’ invisibility may yet wear off.

If the Autobots attempted to flee from the Decepticons’ attack, they found themselves at too much of a disadvantage to successfully make it out of the Asteroid Belt. They were blown into space junk before they could reach Earth.

If the Autobots held their ground, they were instructed by Ultra Magnus not to open fire upon the Decepticons until ordered to do so. Though things were tense as the Autobots were hit over and over again by their invisible opponents, soon the enemy ship came into view, just as Kup had predicted. The Autobots opened fire on the flimsier vessel, blowing it and the Decepticons within to smithereens.

If the Autobots did retreat out of the Asteroid Belt, they convinced one another that the Decepticons most likely perished within it. Then, a few days later, when the invisible Decepticons attacked Metroplex city, Springer and the rest of the Autobots were reduced to scrap metal, unable to fight the unseen enemy.

In a completely different possible scenario, Springer was sent out with Jazz, Prowl and Sunstreaker to accompany Kup and Hot Rod when the latter two reported having seen the mysterious ship land in the middle of the desert.

If the Autobots gave up searching for the ship, Ultra Magnus and the rest of the Autobots within Metroplex were caught by surprise by a fleet of identical ships swooping down upon them. The Autobots were all destroyed as Galvatron gloated of his victory.

If Hot Rod and Kup convinced the other Autobots to keep on looking, Hot Rod eventually found trail marks, indicating that a heavy object the size of their spacecraft had indeed landed and had been dragged away. Springer and the others followed the trail to a more rocky terrain, where tracking the ship would become more difficult. The trail seemingly lost, the Autobots then heard someone incoming, and took cover. From their hiding places, they saw the Decepticons Scavenger, a human captive within the grasp of his steam-shovel.

If the Autobots decided to rescue Sarah immediately, Scavenger dropped the woman, and cried for help while attempting to flee.

If the Autobots pursued Scavenger, they found him rejoining a whole squadron of Decepticons.

If the Autobots pursued Scavenger, they found him rejoining a whole squadron of Decepticons. Fighting the Decepticons immediately would cost them their lives. Otherwise, if the Autobots decided on a retreat when faced by the whole squadron of Decepticons, they managed to do so by blinding their enemies by their high beams and then splitting off into different direction. They later regrouped and found Sarah Sanders wandering in the desert.

If the Autobots asked Sarah to build them their own Invisibility Device, Sarah refused, stating she would not build weapons for war. Running away from the group Sarah was almost killed when Dirge passed overhead and dropped a missile on her position. After rescuing her from the Decepticon attack, Springer and the others brought Sarah to safety within Metroplex. Grateful for the rescue, Sarah showed the Autobots how to create an [[Invisibility Scrambler]] to counteract the Decepticons’ Invisibility Device. Anticipating the Decepticons’ attack, the Autobots successfully defeated the evil robots when they came.

If instead of asking Sarah to build them an Invisibility Device, Springer and the others attempted once more to retrieve her ship, the whole group snuck over to where the Decepticons were stationed. Once there, Hot Rod and Prowl argued over which plan of action would be the smartest to undertake next.

If the Autobots agreed with Hot Rod to try and take the Decepticons by surprise with a head-on attack, the Autobots manage to stun the Decepticons by dazzling them with their headlights. springer provided Hot Rod some cover fire while the young Autobot raced down and snatched the Invisibility Device from the Decepticons. The Autobots then successfully peeled back, congratulating one another on a job well done.

If the Autobots agreed with Prowl to take a moment to come up with a more detailed plan, Prowl instructed Hot Rod to taunt the Decepticons into following him. The plan worked, and the bulk of the Decepticons took off after the young Autobot. With only Scavenger, Shockwave and Galvatron left behind, Springer and the others easily defeated the Decepticons still guarding the spaceship, and forced Galvatron to retreat. In one possible scenario that followed, Springer helped destroy a hidden Decepticon base that Hot Rod found while the Decepticons gave him chase. In another, Springer watched on as Sarah left in her spaceship in order to destroy it, vowing it would never be used to bring destruction.

In an alternate scenario where the Autobots silently trailed Scavenger while the Decepticon held Sarah Sanders captive, Springer and the others followed him all the way to the Decepticons’ secret desert base. Inside, they spied upon Galvatron telling Sarah Sanders that the Decepticons would use Cerebro-Shells to control her mind, so that she would reveal to them to secret of invisibility. At this point, the Autobots decided to step in. A direct attack would only end in the Autobots’ defeat.

In order to rescue Sarah, the Autobots would need to employ trickery. Using Jazz’s special abilities, the Autobots could do just that. In this scenario, the Autobots grabbed Sarah while the Decepticons were too dazzled by the illusions that Jazz projected. Sarah directed the Autobots towards where the Decepticons had stored her ship. Upon following her directions, Springer and the others came upon two doors, unable to tell behind which one they would find their means of escape.

If the Autobots happened upon Sarah’s ship as they were, they would be destroyed by the droids guarding it. However, if the Autobots first opened the door which lead to a closet filled with Decepticon spare parts, they found a pile of spare Decepticon emblems. Donning them, Springer and the rest of his team were able to fool the Decepticon Droids guarding Sarah’s ship. Escaping in the ship, despite the Decepticons best efforts to stop them, the Autobots returned to Metroplex. Sarah then gave the Autobots the secret to her Invisibility Device, ensuring the Autobots their victory in their war against the Decepticons. {{storylink|The Invisibility Factor}}
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===St. Michael ''The Transformers'' Sticker Book===
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Springer served on an alien spacecraft with the Autobots [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], [[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]], and [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] under the command of Ultra Magnus. While fighting Decepticons, their spaceship took heavy damage and crash-landed on the planet [[Barrenikon]]. There, he met [[you]], having just emerged from the Vortex, a portal through space and time contained within the planet. Together, you went on an adventure, fighting Decepticons, braving Barrenikon's barren desert or its putrid swamp, and trying to find a way to get the Autobots space-bound once more. {{storylink|The Transformers Sticker Book (St. Michael)|The Transformers Sticker Book}}
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===3H comics===
Not long after the signing of the [[Pax Cybertronia]], the Wrecker Springer attempted (fruitlessly) to cheer up [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]], who had become severely depressed following the death of her surrogate son and Headmaster companion [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel Witwicky]]. Afterward, he and Hot Rod, now called simply "Rodimus", both checked out and later underwent the [[Great Upgrade|Maximal Upgrade]]. {{storylink|Departure}}

===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
[[File:TWW Escalation Springer.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Spring-heeled jerk.]]
Shortly after [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] rose to become leader of the Autobots, the [[Forum of Enlightenment]] was destroyed by [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] in a spectacular explosion. Springer investigated its ruins afterwards from the air. {{storylink|The War Within issue 2|The War Within #2}}

After Optimus disappeared along with Megatron into prototype [[space bridge]], Springer broke off from the Autobot army and formed the Wreckers. Springer was leading the Wreckers into an investigation of the [[Tagan Heights]] Industrial Quadrant East, but they were discovered by [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]], who unleashed [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] upon them. Springer, alongside his fellow Wreckers, attacked the Ultracon Combiner but he ended up tangled in cabling. This gave Ratbat the chance to gloat at Springer. Once news of Devastator aligning with the [[Ultracon]]s reached [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]] and the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]], they moved in to aid the Wreckers, combining into [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]] and battling Devastator. {{storylink|Escalation}}

Freed in the confusion, Springer leaped at Ratbat, screaming at the Ultracon leader for violating the [[Crisis Intervention Accord]]. Ratbat mocked Springer's newfound concern for treaties, pointing out how the Wreckers themselves only abided by them whenever it suited their needs. Changing tactics, Springer approached Defensor, trying to talk him down after Devastator seemed defeated. Unfortunately, Devastator wasn't quite down for the count, and when he began swatting at Springer, the Autobot suddenly found that Defensor was nowhere to be seen. But the individual Protectobots hadn't abandoned Springer after disengaging from their combined modes; they simply had decided to fight smarter. Plugging Devastator into the Tagan Heights' power grid, they managed to overload and defeat the brute. Though Springer was electrocuted as well, First Aid tended to his injuries, and assured him he would make a full recovery. {{storylink|Devastation}}

{{Unreleased WW comic}}
After Megatron took over Cybertron, Springer was enslaved and put to work in a labor camp. While working, fellow prisoner Ultra Magnus revealed to Springer that he planned to destroy Cybertron's core if no other means presented itself to keep it out of Megatron's hands. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.4}} It didn't come to this as Grimlock, recently returned from the dead, was able to distract Megatron long enough for Blaster to free Springer and the other enslaved Autobots. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.5}}

[[File:DW Countdown to Extinction Springer.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1]]
Millions of years later, after the [[Great Shutdown]], [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] had managed to "unite" Cybertron uner his totalitarian rule. Springer became part of an underground resistance, waging a guerilla war against Shockwave's government. Together with Hot Rod and Blurr, Springer spotted a Decepticon shuttle emerging from [[transwarp]] over the [[Wastelands]] of Cybertron. Unknown to the trio, the shuttle actually contained allies in the fight against Shockwave; the Dinobots! {{storylink|Cold War (issue)|Cold War}} These new arrivals sowed so much destruction in their wake that Shockwave was forced to activate the [[Guardian robot]]s to stop them. Upon learning this, Springer reported back to his resistance cell, recently joined by Optimus Prime, that the situation in [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] had become worse, with martial law having been imposed. {{storylink|Passive Aggression}} The rebels were thus forced to make their final stand against Shockwave immediately. Springer joined Ironhide and Hot Rod on the front lines during the advance, providing Optimus with the cover he needed to breach Shockwave's inner sanctum. Whilst fighting the Guardian robots outside of Shockwave's fortress, Springer saw the Matrix fire a beam of light towards an [[Unicron|unknown entity]]. {{storylink|countdown to Extinction (issue)|Countdown to Extinction}}

Afterwards, Springer was part of the Autobot council that reestablished a connection to their forces on Earth. {{storylink|Generation 1 issue 0|Generation 1 #0}}

Later still, whilst Hot Rod and Kup were training, Springer took the opportunity to hang out with Arcee on Landing Platform A as they observed Prowl and his group of Autobots heading back to Earth. {{storylink|Lost and Found (issue)|Lost and Found}} He attended Ultra Magnus's mission assignment meeting later at Autobase, with Arcee still at his side. This, and the fact that Springer was assigned his own team, served to remind Hot Rod just how much standing he had lost since Shockwave's reign had been overthrown. {{storylink|The Route of All Evil}}

{{Unreleased DW G1 comic}}
After an amusing conversation took place between Kup and [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]], the two of them, along with Arcee, Snarl, and Slag, joined Springer, Grimlock, and Swoop on their shuttle's bridge. Together, they all saw an approaching Quintesson ship. {{storylink|Unreleased Dreamwave issues#Issue 11|Generation 1 #11}}
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===The Beast Within===
Springer sustained heavy damage during a savage battle against the Decepticons. Though he pleaded Grimlock to come to his aid, Megatron got to him first, and unceremoniously crushed Springer’s head underfoot. {{storylink|The Beast Within}}

Then his head became un-crushed somehow, and Springer became un-killed. Springer’s wounded body lay safely inside Jetfire’s passenger compartment as the latter managed to rescue the few remaining Autobot troops. {{storylink|The Beast Within Part 2, Consequences}}
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===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
[[File:ArtofWar3 Sandstorm Springer.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Get to the Choppah!]]
Springer accompanied [[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]] in searching for a missing team of Autobots and [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joes]]. However, their radars were jammed by [[Serpentor|Serpent O.R.]], so their search was fruitless. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 3|The Art of War #3}}
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===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
:*''First Appearance:'' [[Stormbringer issue 2|Transformers: Stormbringer #2]]

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[[File:SoTW-Ostaros.jpg|thumb|left|200px|"Would you risk your life for your fellow man, even if he was a synth?"]]

During the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]], [[Tarantulas (BW)|Mesothulas]] succeeded in creating '''Ostaros''', an artificial Cybertronian powered by an artificial [[spark]] and maintained by a synthesized copy of the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]'s energy field, making him indistinguishable from the genuine article. At some point, Mesothulas's partner [[Prowl (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Prowl]] had a crisis of conscience as their collaborative efforts grew increasingly depraved. {{storylink|Sins of the Wreckers issue 3|Sins of the Wreckers #3}} [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]] was sent to take care of the scientist and his inventions; after hurling Ostaros's creator into the [[Noisemaze]], Impactor came across the robot and refused to kill him. Prowl was also incapable of pulling the trigger himself and so Ostaros was recruited into the Autobots as "Springer", never knowing the truth of his origin. {{storylink|Sins of the Wreckers issue 5|Sins of the Wreckers #5}}

[[File:Autocracy10-Springer.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]

During the rule of [[Zeta Prime]], Springer was a member of [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus]]'s security force. Once they learned that Zeta was draining civilians of their [[energon]], they turned on him and helped [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Orion Pax]] and the [[Decepticon]]s overthrow him. {{storylink|Overthrown}} The Decepticons then betrayed the Autobots and imprisoned them, but Springer managed to get his hands on a gun, break out together with his cellmates, and join some other escapees in the search for Orion Pax. Once they found him, they were shocked to learn that he had acquired the [[Matrix of Leadership]] and become Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Rise}} Alongside many other Autobots, Springer rallied behind the new Prime and helped chase the Decepticons out of [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]. {{storylink|Endgame}}

Springer acted as a security guard at [[Starsreach Spaceport]] during the [[Exodus (G1)|mass exodus]] of neutrals in the early days of the war. {{storylink|Massacre}} He later aided in defending [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] against a Decepticon attack, ruthlessly killing invaders alongside Sandstorm. {{storylink|Primacy issue 4|Primacy #4}} Some time later, he participated in a battle that the Autobots couldn't win. [[Ironhide (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ironhide]] suggested they counter-attack from the west, but the young Autobot leader realized that it was a trap,and advocated falling back to [[Polyhex]]. Optimus was proven right when Springer, acting as aerial support, spotted [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] arriving to the west. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 13|Old Ways}}

Early in the war, Springer had a simple view of the war: the Autobots were the good guys, the Decepticons were the bad guys, and the [[Autobot Code]] was a way of life. Years of fighting changed him, however, as he stopped seeing everything in black and white and realized being a decent 'bot was only holding him back. After witnessing [[Wrecker]] leader [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]] single-handedly bring down a Decepticon shuttle, he was inspired to sign up as a Wrecker reservist. Later, as he was working with the [[Heliobot]]s in the [[Toxic Sludge Swamps]], Impactor approached him in the midst of battle to recruit him. {{storylink|Zero Point}} {{storylink|Dead Men's Boots}}

A member of the Wreckers' 17th lineup, Springer became Impactor's first officer and began seeing him as an older brother. However, as the war grew more violent and dirty, so did the Wreckers, and they began breaking more and more rules of war. Springer convinced himself that it wasn't his problem if he wasn't the one doing it, but as time went on he became desensitized and began intervening less and less. Unlike the others, Springer's moral compass required him to have an ''excuse'' for killing Decepticons, so before the final showdown with the Wreckers' Decepticons counterparts [[Squadron X]], he had to pump himself up by telling stories of all the crimes they had committed. The other Wreckers thought this only served to make Impactor even more unstable than he already was. {{storylink|Zero Point}}

[[File:LastStandoftheWreckers5 Springer arrives too late.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|You monster! THEY WERE FANWANK!!!]]
The Wreckers' rivalry with Squadron X came to an end on the planet [[Pova]], where they found themselves in a bad way after Springer was trapped under some collapsed rubble. Despite Springer's pleas, Impactor used his own body as a shield against Squadron X's advancing troops, firing through it. This helped turn the tide, and the Wreckers rounded up all of Squadron X for transport offworld. Unfortunately, Impactor snapped when [[Prowl (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Prowl]] told him that Pova was neutral territory, and that he was ordered to set them free or else the Autobots would face diplomatic repercussions. Impactor locked himself in their ship, and as Springer tried to break through the door, personally executed every member of Squadron X while they were restrained. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 5|Last Stand of the Wreckers #5}}

Horrified by Impactor's actions, Springer reported him to [[Autobot High Command]] as soon as he got the chance. Before the trial took place, Springer was visited by the other Wreckers, each believing they were alone in approaching him. They all pleaded with him that they hadn't seen Impactor's murders coming and were worried that High Command might shut down the Wreckers because of them. Springer promised to testify that they had nothing to do with it and to become their new leader once everything was over. {{storylink|Zero Point}}

Springer testified against Impactor through [[Aequitas]], and the disgraced Wreckers leader was sentenced to be imprisoned on [[Garrus-9]]. A cover story for what happened on Pova was released which involved Springer suggesting Impactor fire through his torso and Squadron X later escaping their restraints, necessitating their execution. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 4|Last Stand of the Wreckers #4}} As Impactor was dragged to his cell, Springer told his former commander something he didn't want to hear, something he would dwell upon for the length of his incarceration: Squadron X deserved to die for their crimes, but Impactor didn't have the right to kill them. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 5|Last Stand of the Wreckers #5}}

At some point during the war, Springer fought alongside Ultra Magnus, Perceptor and Wheelie. Unfortunately, like most other bots, he had a tendency to overlook Wheelie, due to the latter's small stature. {{storylink|Spotlight: Wheelie}} He and the Wreckers also fought (and horribly murdered) most of [[Krok (G1)|Krok]]'s squad during one encounter in the war. {{storylink|Animals}}

[[File:Stormbringer2 Springer.jpg|upright=1.95|thumb|The Wreckers don't half go on about that, do they?]]
Years later on the planet [[Varas Centralus]], Springer, now commander of the Wreckers, was coordinating the counter-offensive against a [[Phase Sixer|Phase Six]] [[infiltration protocol|Decepticon siege bunker]] when he got the call from Optimus Prime that [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] might be active again on Cybertron. Pulling the Wreckers out of Varas Centralus, Springer was of the opinion that if Thunderwing was still alive, they should nuke Cybertron and take the monster with it. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 2|Stormbringer #2}} After [[Nosecone (G1)|Nosecone]] and [[Afterburner (G1)|Afterburner]] were rescued, the Wreckers prepared to breach [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s cultist lair at [[Thunderhead Pass]]. Springer tried to dissuade Optimus Prime from joining the battle, but the Autobot leader was not to be deterred. After routing the cultists, a new problem arose: Thunderwing, sent off to wreak havoc on [[Nebulos]], was returning. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 3|Stormbringer #3}} The Wreckers gave it their all against Thunderwing, but were seriously outmatched, with Springer's rotors being destroyed by the monstrous titan. As Thunderwing bore down on him, unexpected help came from the Decepticon battleship ''[[Thanatos]]'', and the combined efforts managed to stagger the giant, forcing it to draw more [[Ore-13|Ultra-Energon]] from the environment, whose side effects eventually forced it to shut down. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 4|Stormbringer #4}}

Shortly after coming to Earth, Optimus Prime was getting updates from the various unit commanders and officers out in the universe while aboard the ''[[Ark-19]]'', amongst them Springer. {{storylink|Escalation issue 1|Escalation #1}}

[[File:SpotlightKup Springersholograph.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Ebeneezer Kup!]]
Not long thereafter, Springer excused himself from actively leading the Wreckers when he heard his old mentor Kup had finally been found, after being MIA for some time. Rescue conditions were hardly ideal, however: [[Tsiehshi|the planet]] the old warhorse was stuck on was permeated with [[Ore-8|highly unstable energy crystals]] which produced massive amounts of debilitating radiation and a single spark might set off an explosive chain reaction that would destroy the planet. Kup, meanwhile, had somehow survived exposure to this environment, yet had gone over the brink of madness, attacking the Autobot teams that beamed down to retrieve him because their thick radiation armors made them appear monstrous to his eyes. Despite these complications, Springer insisted rescue efforts continue, even after many Autobots were destroyed in the attempt. Finally, [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]] arrived as a defensive specialist, and used his force field to block the radiation and get Kup to recognize him. Kup was brought in for repairs, and Springer returned to the Wreckers. {{storylink|Spotlight: Kup}} Once again Springer was seen reporting to Optimus Prime, this time about Kup's condition. {{storylink|Spotlight: Optimus Prime}}

Later, Springer, along with Autobots across the galaxy, watched an Autobot news report heralding the miraculous return of [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Blaster}}

When the denizens of the [[Dead Universe]] stepped up their plans to merge the living and unliving universes together, Springer and the Wreckers were called in once again to battle Thunderwing when he was found guarding a cave on planet [[Corata-Vaz]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Hardhead}} They didn't have much luck. {{storylink|Spotlight: Doubledealer}} However, once [[Jetfire (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Jetfire]] managed to take control of Thunderwing, Springer and the Wreckers snuck past it and into the cave to retrieve one of the [[Nega-Core]]s, which were crucial to the Dead Universe plans. Unfortunately, as they were doing so, [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] regained control of Thunderwing, and the Wreckers were forced to hold the line until the Nega-Core could be removed and deposited back into the Dead Universe via a portable [[space bridge]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Sideswipe}}

[[File:AHM15 SpringerpunchesProwl.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Why should [[Ironhide (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ironhide]] get [[All Hail Megatron issue 4|all the fun?]]]]
Springer was making regular trips to the ''[[Ark-17]]'' to check up on Kup, but one day found that the old warrior had been transferred to the [[Kimia Facility]] without his knowledge. Filled with rage, Springer traveled to the facility and delivered an uppercut to [[Prowl (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Prowl]]'s chin, only to learn that Kup had been fully repaired using [[Pretender]] technology. While he was skeptical at first, Springer's spirits were soon lifted when he got to meet the rejuvenated Kup. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 15|Everything in Its Right Place}}

Led by Kup, Springer later helped rescue a number of Wreckers who had been captured by the Decepticon [[Turmoil]]. Following this mission, Springer and his fellow Wrecker [[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]] joined Kup's personal strike force on board the starship ''[[Trion]]''. He argued against letting [[Drift (G1)|Drift]] into the team, but Kup felt that everyone deserves a second chance. {{storylink|Spotlight: Drift}} Shortly afterwards, the team caught a distress call from [[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Hot Rod]], who was being chased by Decepticons. Kup's team went to his aid, but unfortunately their opponent was the abominable [[Monstructor (G1)|Monstructor]], who melted Springer's rotor blades with acid. Eventually, the giant was toppled by [[Perceptor (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Perceptor]]'s new sniping skills. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 15|Lost & Found}}

While chasing the Decepticon cruiser ''[[Torment]]'', the ''Trion'' was lured into a trap and shot down above the planet Cybertron. The crew was "bonded" with the ship at the time, and Springer refused to disconnect from the doomed vessel as he attempted to steer it into a crash landing. He succeeded, and later met with another Autobot unit that had also ended up on the abandoned planet. Kup's team decided to show the others how badass they were, a showcase which ended with Springer being wrestled to the floor by [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] and his weapon being used to hold Kup at gunpoint. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 5|All Hail Megatron #5}} After this little show of force, the two groups teamed up to fight off the [[Insecticon swarm]] that was inhabiting the planet along with them. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 6|All Hail Megatron #6}}

[[File:LastStandoftheWreckers1 Springer introduction.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|''Lookin' back on the track, for a little green bag...'']]
When the Autobots relocated to another base, Springer participated in the caravan in his ground vehicle mode. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 7|All Hail Megatron #7}} At the new base, Springer helped set up a large defensive cannon to use against the incoming swarm. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 9|All Hail Megatron #9}} Despite Springer's best use of fisticuffs, the Autobots were overrun by the thousands of Insecticons, and only saved by the intervention of [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 10|All Hail Megatron #10}} Omega took everyone to [[New York City]] on [[Earth]], where Megatron and his forces were located. During the great battle, Springer shoved his knee hard in [[Viewfinder]]'s abdomen. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 11|All Hail Megatron #11}}

Springer had medics at key facilities look out for messages from [[Dominus Ambus|Agent 113]], a spy in the [[Decepticon Justice Division]] with a unique way of sending reports. One of these medics was [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]], who contacted him when Agent 113 reported the Decepticon occupation of Garrus-9. {{storylink|Bullets}} After Megatron's defeat on Earth and the general collapse of the Decepticon war effort, Prowl formulated a desperate plan to use the Wreckers to retake Garrus-9 from the Decepticons and retrieve the potentially damaging war criminal trial data from supercomputer Aequitas. Springer began recruiting new members into the Wreckers, noting with irony that he had now assumed Impactor's role, though the main difference was Springer offered the potential recruits a choice, and sometimes they said no. {{storylink|Dead Men's Boots}}

On Ultra Magnus's ship Springer introduced himself to the new team members: [[Rotorstorm (G1)|Rotorstorm]], [[Ironfist (G1)|Ironfist]], [[Pyro (G1)|Pyro]], and [[Guzzle (G1)|Guzzle]]. He told them that their first mission was to clean up [[Garrus-9]] and warned them that their first day as a Wrecker could be their last. When Ironfist fainted, Springer felt he needed to keep an eye on him. Afterward he spoke with [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] and shared thoughts about Impactor until Ultra Magnus called for him to return to the bridge. He arrived just in time to see a Decepticon starship explode, revealing the former Wrecker. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 1|Last Stand of the Wreckers #1}}

[[File:LastStandoftheWreckers2 SpringerImpactorReunion.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Reunited and it feeeels so bad!]]
Once Impactor was aboard, Springer asked him how he got out of Garrus-9. After hearing Impactor's tale of escape and the revelation that infamous [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]] was now the death camp warden, Springer felt that the mission was finally getting interesting. He then shared words with Impactor about the incident on [[Pova]]. Impactor stormed out, but Springer still felt it would be a good idea to use him on the team. Ultra Magnus then relayed something that Prowl wanted done, but only revealed the name: Aequitas.

While nearing Garrus-9 orbit, Springer assisted Ultra Magnus with the mission briefing. He outlined the mission, dividing them into two teams to penetrate the [[lattice forcefield]] via [[drop pod]]s. He took control of one of the pods before relaying control over to Rotorstorm for a simultaneous hit against the forcefield. Once through the pod came under instant attack, but Springer managed a crash landing. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 2|Last Stand of the Wreckers #2}}

Upon planetfall, Springer's team ran from an oncoming horde of Decepticons. He took a look at [[Twin Twist]]'s wounds while Guzzle, Kup, and Impactor held off the Decepticons. Springer ordered Guzzle into tank mode to bring down the ceiling, granting them an moment's reprieve. He then sent Kup and Guzzle to get backup while Twin Twist drilled through the floor. He drilled into an open area, but was saved by Springer, who jumped through and quickly transformed into helicopter mode. On the ground they found the demolished remains of [[Kick-Off (G1)|Kick-Off]], but Twin Twist warned them that they had just set off a defense mechanism. Springer attempted to escape but was zapped unconscious, ending up in [[Stalker (G1)|Stalker]]'s Spark Extinction Chamber. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 3|Last Stand of the Wreckers #3}}

[[File:LastStandoftheWreckers4 faceshot.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1||Right in the kissah!]]
Springer came to after a torturing round from Stalker and began arguing with Impactor about the events that led to the former Wrecker commander to be imprisoned on Garrus-9. Springer expressed the desire to forgive Impactor and himself for what happened on Pova, but this couldn't happen until Impactor admitted that what he did was wrong. They were interrupted by the return of Stalker, who had retrieved his latest instrument of torture, the [[endoscopic claw]]. After Twin Twist died as a result of [[Topspin (G1)|Topspin]]'s sacrifice to activate Aequitas, Stalker was about to move onto the others when help arrived in the form of Guzzle, Kup and [[Snare]]. Kup sprang Springer, who brought a quick end to Stalker with the torturer's own endoscopic claw. This respite didn't last long, as [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]] blasted through the wall having been radioed by Stalker. The large Decepticon simply asked if the Wreckers were ready, with Springer replying affirmative. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 4|Last Stand of the Wreckers #4}}

[[File:LastStandoftheWreckers SpringerOverlordFaceoff.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Give me your- [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Oh, you know.]]]]
The battle with Overlord took the combatants to Garrus-9's roof, but it soon became apparent that Springer's team were fighting a losing battle. After Impactor was seemingly defeated, Ironfist, Perceptor and Verity arrived with a large rotary cannon for Springer to use that would supposedly turn the tide. The Wreckers commander emptied the massive weapon into Overlord, who at merely seemed annoyed at the attack, knocked the weapon away and tore Springer's face off. As he advanced on Ironfist, the diminutive Autobot detonated the payload of [[deterrence chip]]s that the Springer had fired into Overlord, and Verity broke his will by revealing that Megatron had since died, robbing the insane Overlord of his obsessive desire to face the Decepticon leader in combat. After Impactor disabled Overlord, he refused to kill him, stating that it was not what Springer wanted. With G-9's liberation, Ultra Magnus took the survivors back to [[Earth]], where Springer was still alive but on life-support, with Kup by his bedside. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 5|Last Stand of the Wreckers #5}}

Though his body was repaired, Springer was left in a coma due to a [[zero point]], an affliction that kept his [[spark]] from moving through his body. After the liberation of Garrus-9, the comatose Springer was transferred to ''[[Debris]]'', where he was left under the care of Roadbuster and Whirl. {{storylink|Zero Point}} Convinced their leader would never wake up, Whirl attempted to euthanize him using Roadbuster's [[Sparkeater (weapon)|Sparkeater weapon]], but was caught in the act by Roadbuster and punished. {{storylink|Interiors}} At [[Rung (G1)|Rung]]'s suggestion, Roadbuster began reading the ''[[Wreckers: Declassified]]'' datalogs to Springer in hopes that an emotional response might cause his subconscious to bypass the zero point. When he came to the complete lie of a datalog detailing Pova, Roadbuster gave up and chose to tell Springer the truth: the Wreckers had been ''glad'' to see Impactor kill Squadron X, and they had only asked Springer to lead them because they didn't want to be thrown in prison alongside him. Just as he went on to admit that Springer had still proven to be their greatest leader, Springer began showing signs of life again. {{storylink|Zero Point}}

[[Chromedome (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Chromedome]] would later edit Overlord's memories of his battle with Springer and the Wreckers in order to embed a [[Trepan's Trigger]] in his head. {{storylink|Remembrance Day}} Footage of Springer saying "keep going without me" was used by [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]] in his stitched-together final message to Chromedome. {{storylink|The Gloaming}}

[[File:SinsoftheWreckers Springer flashbacks.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|left]]
After more than four years in his comatose state, even Impactor began believing it would be better if they let Springer go. Fate, however, seemed to have other ideas, as Kup and [[Arcee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Arcee]] set off an automatic recording of Prowl's, who recent actions had led to his disappearance, requesting Springer for the task of finding and rescuing him. As a result, Kup called Springer with a message imploring that he wake up. Kup's words seemed to be what was needed to reawaken the comatose Wrecker, who immediately organised the inhabitants of Debris into journeying to Earth and arriving in time to disrupt Arcee's interrogation of Verity. {{storylink|Sins of the Wreckers issue 1|Sins of the Wreckers #1}} Things started to fall to bits quickly, not helped by Springer still being disoriented from the coma and haunted by dreams of Garrus-9, and the Wreckers being a big mess. While Springer suspected Decepticons, unclear of how much had changed in four years, they soon learned it was [[Tarantulas (BW)|Mesothulas]]. To Springer's horror, they learned it when Kup began ''talking in Prowl's voice'' as the strategist had installed a backdoor in his brain years ago and could remotely hack him; afterwards, Springer had to comfort his friend who was now aware of what he'd done when mad.

[[File:SinsoftheWreckers3-Noisemaze.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6]]
Battle was soon joined with [[Mayhem Attack Squad|Mayhem]], anarchist cross-factional beast-formers who'd teamed up with Mesothulas to capture Prowl. Springer was shot out of the sky by [[Carnivac (G1)|Carnivac]], who pitched that the Wrecker should ''join'' them. The Autobot kept fighting anyway and the Wreckers tracked down and boarded the Mayhem's [[Tidal Wave (G1)|living, mobile aquabase]]... where Springer was aghast to see Roadbuster, the very bot who'd read to him for years, torturing a helpless captive. Roadbuster told him that he could be those two things. The brutalised [[Claw Jaw]] led Springer's team to the [[Noisemaze]] where Prowl was... {{storylink|Sins of the Wreckers issue 2|Sins of the Wreckers #2}} and they immediately collapsed in pain, unable to handle the sensory overload. Tarantulas ''née'' Mesothulas soon had Springer, Roadbuster, and Arcee strapped in to Aequitas's sister computer [[Impetus]], a guilt ''extractor'' that was forcing them to confess their worst sins: Springer lamented failing Squadron X and sending so many to die rescuing Kup. {{storylink|Sins of the Wreckers issue 3|Sins of the Wreckers #3}} Hubcap released Springer and the others while Tarantulas was distracted and Springer aided in attacking the spider. After Roadbuster carried the battle away, Prowl informed Springer that they must destroy all of Tarantulas's work. Springer began placing explosives in the Obtenteum chamber when Tarantulas returned. {{storylink|Sins of the Wreckers issue 4|Sins of the Wreckers #4}} {{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Sins of the Wreckers issue 5|Sins of the Wreckers #5}} {{storylink|Transformers: Requiem of the Wreckers|Requiem of the Wreckers}}}}
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===''Transformers vs. G.I. Joe''===
{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Escape from Primus}} {{storylink|The War Never Ends}}}}

===IDW ''Beast Wars'' comics===
Springer was a participant in the Great War up until its very end in [[2035]]. After both [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] fell in battle, the [[Primal Council]] had Springer marshal their forces in anticipation for the Decepticons' next attack. {{storylink|Dawn of the Predacus}}

==Commercial appearances==
[[File:SpringerWreckGarCommercial1.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
*Springer's shuttle was shot down by the [[Revenge (G1)|Revenge]] over the planet [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]], where he was forced to do battle with an aggressive [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] and another [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]]. Prime described Springer as "the toughest of the Autobot [[Triple Changer]]s". {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Springer and Wreck-Gar|Springer and Wreck-Gar commercial}}
*Springer grappled with [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] during a vicious battle between Autobots and Decepticons on Cybertron. While some fought, others left Cybertron behind to expand the Transformers' war to the planet [[Nebulos]]. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Headmaster comic book|Headmaster comic book commercial}}
*Springer was part of a massive battle between Kreons. He managed to knock over [[Ripclaw]] with his sword, taunting that he would "catch him on the flip-side." He continued to make good work of his swordsmanship skills against the Decepticons until [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]] and [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] joined the fight, forcing the Autobots to flee. Ripclaw got his revenge later, using his fire-breath to torch Springer's behind. {{storylink|Commercial#Kre-O|KRE-O Transformers Micro Changers and Combiners Construction Sets commercial}}

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==Games==
===The Transformers (PS2)===
{{voiceactor|[[Phil Gibbon]] (English)}}
When [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] threatened the universe using [[Zel Quartz]] in 2010, Springer was one of the Autobots warriors who travelled back in time to 2003 to prevent Zel Quartz from ever being cultivated for use by Cybertronians. Separated from the rest of his team in the crash, he rejoined the present and future Autobots in their campaign after the first false lead for the quartz on [[Zel Samine]]. {{storylink|The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers}}

===''Transformers Legends''===
As Wreckers, Springer and [[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]] were sent to prevent [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] and [[Darkwing (G1)|Darkwing]] from reviving [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]. They failed, and were forced to help the two Decepticons defeat Thunderwing. {{storylink|Stormbringer (Legends)|Stormbringer}}

When [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], [[Kup (G1)|Kup]], and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]] were abducted by [[Skuxxoid]]s during the [[Galactic Olympics|Galactic Games]], [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] and Springer gave chase. Instead of finding the Skuxxoids, they caught up with [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]], just as their leader was having a vision that the [[Quintesson]]s were behind the kidnapping. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness: Part 1}} Arcee, Rodimus, Ultra Magnus and Springer were trapped in human bodies by [[Victor Drath]] and [[Cobra Commander|Old Snake]], but still managed to foil the pair's plan to destroy Autobot City. They were later successfully returned to their robot bodies. {{storylink|Only Human (Legends)|Only Human}}

===''Transformers: Battle Tactics''===
[[File:BattleTacticsSpringer.jpg|thumb|right|400px|I've got better things to do tonight than being easily defeated!]]
[[File:Battle-Tactics-Springer-(Gen).jpg|thumb|right|400px|And all the Triple Changer Springers were thrown away. Especially if you had ten of him.]]
Springer participated in battles against a variety of opponents, both Autobots and Decepticons. Sometimes there were many of him! He appeared in two different bodies:
*''Springer'' — This Super Rare character could be recruited by collecting 275 units of Cybermetal, 85 units of Transmetal, 55 hunter cores, and 5 cores of this character.
*''Springer (Gen)'' — This Epic character was available as a reward to 100 leagues in the "Transform and Roll Out!" event.
{{storylink|Transformers: Battle Tactics}}
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===''Transformers: Frontiers''===
{{charstubgame|{{storylink|Transformers: Frontiers}}}}

===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
[[File:SpringerEarthWars.jpg|thumb|upright=1.75|I've got better things to do tonight then die and teleport into the sky!]]

*'''Class''': Triple Changer
*'''Lowest Star Rating:''' 2 star
*Abilities: Being a triple changer, Springer has two abilities available to him:
**'''Defensive Perimeter''': Bombard all nearby targets with 8 missles that deal 27 damage. Also puts up a defensive shield that attracts defensives!
**'''Aerial Support''': Rush to a friendly bot healing heath in a wide area when landing.
[http://wiki.transformersearthwars.com/character:springer| Springer at Transformers: Earth Wars Wiki]
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==Toys==
{{main|Springer (G1)/toys}}

==Notes==
*Like all of the new characters created for ''The Transformers: The Movie'', Springer has an earlier, alternate [[character model]] that served as the basis for his toy, and which was used for his appearances in the Marvel comic. In terms of animation, Springer's early design appears in "[[Only Human]]", used for the duration of the episode.
*Springer's name comes from his ability to jump well. As you'd expect from someone who has a flying altmode, it's not an ability he uses much.
*Springer's former name in [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW continuity]], Ostaros, is derived from Ostara (known better as [[w:Ēostre|Ēostre]])- a Germanic goddess of, among other things, ''spring''.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Sprang''' or '''Sprung''' (スプラング ''Supurangu''), '''Springer''' (スプリンガー ''Supringā'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Tán Huáng''' (China 弹簧 "Springs"), '''Bǎi Zhàng Tiào''' (China 百丈跳 "Thousand-feet jump")
*''French:'' '''Ricochet''' (Canada)
*''Hungarian:'' '''Szökkenő''' ("Springer")
*''Italian:'' '''Bora'''
*''Russian:'' '''Sprinter''' (Спринтер)

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Pack-in material

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[[File:Youhavebeenchosen.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|The besotted [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys|Ultra Magnus]] has chosen [[You|YOU]].]]
Since the very beginning of ''Transformers,'' [[Hasbro]] has been including '''pack-in material''' with toys. The first example was the [[Catalog|toy catalog]], simply advertising all the available Transformers. But soon these were accompanied with mail-order flyers for additional exclusive toys, then mini-comics, contests, and more. In more recent years, CD-ROMs and DVDs have come into vogue, containing cartoon episodes and various interactive features, though more "low-tech" items like stickers and collector cards are still common.
{{note|The term "pack-in material" is used here for lack of a better, official option. If Hasbro has a term for this kind of media, we are unaware of it.}}

==Catalogs==
{{main|Catalog}}
Hasbro has often used pack-in catalogs to advertise their range of available toys. In the days of ''Generation 1,'' they were expansive affairs that would document an entire year's worth of product. In more recent lines, they tend to have a more limited focus, though they do occasionally branch out into advertising for other toylines.

==Mail-order flyers==
In Generation 1, Hasbro sold certain toys exclusively via mail-order flyers included with retail toys. [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]], the [[Omnibot (G1)|Omnibots]], and the [[Powerdasher]]s are probably the most well-known of these. Mail-order flyers were also used to sell a few other Transformers that had been discontinued from the main line. Membership in the [[S.T.A.R.S.]] fanclub was also available, and many flyers contained story material related to this that constituted a [[S.T.A.R.S. continuity|distinct micro-continuity]].

;1984
[[File:Lookinsideforaspecialoffer.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]
*"[[Reinforcements from Cybertron!]]"

;1985
*"[[The battle is far from over!]]"
*"[[Earthlings: THE S.T.A.R.S. need your help now!]]"
*"[[Look Inside for a Special Offer!]]"
*"[[Have the Decepticons defeated us once and for all?]]"

;1986
[[File:Decipherthedecepticon3a.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]
*"[[Can one boy, alone, hold back the evil Decepticons?]]"
*"[[Decipher the Decepticon]]" Sweepstakes (4 different [[posters]])
*"[[You Have Been Chosen.]]"
*"[[Inside...a Transformer Not Sold in Any Store!]]"

;1987
*"[[Rodimus Prime remembers the Transformers greatest battle on Earth.]]"
*"[[Transformers Combat Data]]"

;1988
*"[[The Autobots Are Under Attack!]]"

==Mini-comics==
Hasbro and Takara have been known to include mini-comics with toys, sometimes to tie in with a specific promotion, and sometimes to augment the line as a whole.

;Generation 1
*"[[Start Your Own Decoy Collection]]", packed alongside [[decoy]]s on certain carded Transformers.
*"[[In the Transformers]]", included with toys distributed in Europe by [[Milton Bradley]].

;''Generation 2''
*A series of 16 [[Transformers: G-2 (pack-in manga)|mini-comics]] by [[Hidetsugu Yoshioka]] were packaged with the instruction manuals by [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] for the line's Japanese release.

;''Beast Wars''
*"[[Optimus Primal vs Megatron!]]", included only with the two-pack of Basic-sized [[Megatron (BW)/toys|Megatron]] and [[Optimus Primal/toys|Optimus Primal]].

;''Armada''
*[[Transformers: Armada (mini-comic)|''Transformers: Armada'' mini-comics]], four issues printed as part of that line's toy catalogs.

;''Energon''
*[[Transformers: Energon (mini-comic)|''Transformers: Energon'' mini-comics]], four issues printed as part of that line's toy catalogs.

;''Rescue Hero Go-Bots''
*[[Kids' Transformers: Rescue Hero Go-Bots (manga)|''Kids' Transformers: Rescue Hero Go-Bots'' mini-manga]], nineteen issues were produced and distributed with the toys either in a booklet or on the box.

;''Robotmasters''
*A series of two [[Robotmasters (pack-in manga)|mini-comics]] came packaged with early ''Robotmasters'' toys.

;''Henkei! Henkei!''
*Mini-[[manga]] were packaged with every toy in each wave, totaling [[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (pack-in manga)|12 volumes]].

;''Transformers: Dark of the Moon''
*The four Target exclusive Deluxe toys [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Bumblebee]], [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]], [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]], and [[Space Case (DOTM)|Space Case]], and two Voyager toys [[Ratchet (Movie)/toys|Ratchet]] and [[Starscream (Movie)/toys|Starscream]], each contained a character-specific mini-comic.

==Full-sized comics==
;"Titanium - War Within"
*An IDW-labeled variant-cover (War Within Optimus Prime fighting War Within Megatron in front of a yellow smoke-filled sky) of defunct Dreamwave's 2003 War Within #5, Vol. 1 comic, included with the 2007 'Battle Packs' 2-figure box release of this series' versions of Optimus Prime and Megatron. IDW also numbered this #5.
;''Universe (2008)''
*Reprints of Dreamwave-branded [[Escalation|''War Within: The Dark Ages'' #2]], and also an unbranded comic-cover issue retelling parts 5 and 6 of Marvel UK's [[Target: 2006]] story arc in original form, were included with thematically-relevant two-packs... except each two-pack accidentally came with the comic intended for the other one. Whoops. Even worse, the Canadian releases of these two-packs completely lacked the comics despite advertising them on their packaging.
*A reprint of [[Marvel Comics]]' [[The Transformers (issue)|''The Transformers'' #1]] was included with the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Generation 1 Series|"25th Anniversary" reissue of Optimus Prime]]. This time around, the bilingual English/French Canadian release ''didn't'' advertise the (English-only) comic on the packaging but included it nonetheless!

;"Reveal the Shield"
*A new IDW comic titled Rodimus vs. Cyclonus was included in this 'Battle In Space' 2-pack which included Classics deluxe Rodimus and Universe deluxe Cyclonus with Nightstick. This comic takes place during the events of The Transformers: The Movie.

;''Animated''
*[[First (and Second) in Flight|The final issue]] of the ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]'' comic series ''[[Transformers Animated: The Arrival]]'' was included with the [[Jetfire (Animated)|Jetfire]] and [[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]] toy twin pack.

;''Generations''
[[File:T30 Trailcutter pk US CALA EU.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.67|''Thrilling 30'': English-only United States packaging with comic book (right), multilingual Canadian/Latin American "waste of space" version without comic book (center) and multilingual European "compact" version without comic book (right).]]
*The United States releases of the ''[[Thrilling 30]]''-branded Deluxe Class figures came with reprints of [[IDW Publishing|IDW]] comics (sporting new "Hasbro exclusive" covers) in which the respective character plays a (more or less) prominent part. The first two waves of ''Thrilling 30'' figures included reprints of the characters' ''[[The Transformers: Spotlight|Spotlight]]'' issues; the third wave included four issues that served as lead-ups to the ''[[Dark Cybertron (IDW)|Dark Cybertron]]'' event; and the remaining four waves included the twelve-issue ''Dark Cybertron'' event itself in its entirety. These comics are generally bowdlerized versions of the original printings, removing overt references to weaponry and death and substituting them with more family-friendly turns of phrase such as "destroy" or "blaster" (though not always with 100% consistency), as well as various other inexplicable changes. While Australia, New Zealand and Hasbro's Asian markets received the same versions that were released in the United States (as per usual) including the comics, the [[multilingual packaging|multilingual]] Canadian/Latin American versions once again lacked the comics, as did the European versions (though only wave 1 of the ''Thrilling 30'' Deluxes actually saw a European release).
*Likewise, the ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]''-branded Deluxe Class figures came with reprints of IDW comics as well, this time including the ''[[Combiner Wars (comic)|Combiner Wars]]'' event and assorted issues that were retroactively declared "prequels". Since all other ''Combiner Wars'' price points included collector cards, Hasbro took the opportunity and included such collector cards with the Deluxes in those markets that wouldn't get comic books as well. Due to production schedule problems,<ref name="tf15jerry">[http://bwtf.com/events/toyfair2015/interview-part1 Interview with Jerry Jivoin at BWTF.com]</ref> the wave 1 Deluxes were initially only available in Canadian/Latin American packaging (with collector cards) in the U.S. and Australasia. Though a re-release of those figures including the comics was planned, only [[Drag Strip (G1)#Generations|Decepticon Dragstrip]] was actually re-released in this fashion. The comics themselves were released as a 4-pack as an exclusive to a Taiwanese comic con, and wave 5 Deluxes were also released with the same comics that were intended for wave 1.
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==Collector's cards==
A common pack-in item, collector's cards are an easy way for Hasbro to give customers a little something extra with their purchases.

;''Generation 2''
{{main|Real Action Pop-Ups 3-D Transformer Trading Card}}
*Some toys in the ''Generation 2'' line came with a multi-fold card which featured the toy's [[bio]] and [[Tech Spec]] inside, and a pop-up version of the [[package art|character art]] on the outside.

;''Beast Wars''
*The Japanese editions of ''Beast Wars'' toys each came with a collector's card (alternately labeled a "DESTRON CARD" or "CYBERTRON CARD") featuring a faction symbol on one side, and character art, a bio and Specs on the other.

;''Beast Wars II''
*Toys from the ''Beast Wars II'' line each came with a collector's card featuring a rendering of the character on a photographic background on one side, and a toy photo, bio and Tech Specs on the other.

;''Beast Wars Neo''
*The ''Beast Wars Neo'' toys each came with a collector's card featuring character art on one side, and toy photos, a bio and Specs on the other.

;''Armada''
*''Armada'' toys came with a glossy, single-sided, playing card-sized sticker featuring character art by [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]].
*''Micron Legend'' toys came with a collector's card featuring package art on one side and toy photos, bios and Tech Specs on the other.

;''Heroes of Cybertron''
*Toys in the ''[[Heroes of Cybertron]]'' line each came with collector's card with the character's package art on one side, and a bio and Tech Specs on the other.

;''Energon''
[[File:CW Swindle pk US CALA EU.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.67|''Combiner Wars'' Deluxes in English-only packaging (left) included comic books, while those on multilingual Canadian/Latin American (center) or European (right) packaging included collector cards instead.]]
*Toys from the ''Energon'' franchise included a playing-card sized collector's card, with character art on one side, and tri-lingual Tech Spec ratings on the other.

;''Masterpiece''
*''Masterpiece'' toys each come with a collector's card featuring package art on one side with bios and Tech Specs on the reverse.

;''Generations''
*As mentioned above, collector cards were included with all ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' [[size class|price points]] that came in [[multilingual packaging]], except for the Deluxes which were available in English-only packaging in the United States, Australia and Hasbro's Asian markets (but ''did'' come with collector cards in Canada, Latin America and Europe).
*With ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'', English-only packaging and comic books were dropped entirely, thus ''all'' price points except for the single-pack [[Titan Master]]s were available in multilingual packaging with collector cards regardless of market. This time, the cards featured Tech Specs stats on their back.
*''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' followed suit and gave collector cards to every price point except for [[Prime Master]]s. The card backs feature a one-line bios describing the powers a Prime Master gives to the character: as a result, each card comes in 12 different variants, one for each Prime Master.
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==VHS Tapes==
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In [[1998]], Hasbro included VHS tapes of ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' with [[redeco]]es of [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] and [[Razorclaw (BW)|Razorclaw]] in the US and [[Claw Jaw]] and [[Spittor (BW)|Spittor]] in the UK.

==CD-ROMs and DVDs==
In the modern era, compact-disc storage has become an economical way to include promotional material with toys, from mini-comics to games to full TV episodes.

;''Universe (2003)'' / ''Armada''
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*The ''Transformers: Universe'' CD-ROM was included with select ''Universe'' and ''Armada'' toys.

;''Robotmasters''
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*DVDs were packaged with redecoes of ''Robotmasters'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Robotmasters|G1 Convoy]], [[Optimus Primal/toys#Robotmasters|Beast Convoy]] and [[Lio Convoy#Robotmasters|Lio Convoy]].

;''Cybertron''
*A DVD of the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|Cybertron]]'' episode "[[Hidden]]" was included with select ''Cybertron'' toys.
*In Australian retail stores, some Voyager-class figures (namely Cybertron Defense Scattorshot and Nemesis Breaker) came with a DVD which contained the first four episodes of the cartoon in airing order (Haven through Space).

;''Classics''
[[File:UltimateBattleUSEuro.jpg|right|thumb|European packaging for the "Ultimate Battle" boxset was noticeably smaller because it lacked the DVD case. In the United Kingdom and the Netherlands, the DVD was included only in a paper sleeve; in other European stores, it was given as a freebie separately.]]
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*The ''Classics'' "[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Classics|Optimus Prime]] vs [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Megatron]]" toy twin pack came with a DVD recounting the events of the [[Unicron Trilogy]].

;''Beast Wars 10th Anniversary''
*The ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars 10th Anniversary|Beast Wars 10th Anniversary]]'' toys each came with a DVD containing an episode of ''Beast Wars''.
**"[[Equal Measures]]" with [[Cheetor (BW)/toys#Beast Wars 10th Anniversary|Cheetor]]
**"[[A Better Mousetrap]]" with [[Rattrap (BW)#Beast Wars 10th Anniversary|Rattrap]].
**"[[The Spark]]" with [[Rhinox (BW)#Beast Wars 10th Anniversary|Rhinox]].
**"[[Spider's Game]]" with [[Tarantulas (BW)#Beast Wars 10th Anniversary|Predacon Tarantulus]].
**"[[Possession]]" with [[Waspinator (BW)#Beast Wars 10th Anniversary|Waspinator]] or [[Optimus Primal/toys#Beast Wars 10th Anniversary|Optimus Primal]] vs. [[Megatron (BW)/toys#Beast Wars 10th Anniversary|Megatron]].
**"[[Code of Hero]]" with [[Dinobot (BW)#Beast Wars 10th Anniversary|Dinobot]].
*The ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars Telemocha Series|Beast Wars Telemocha Series]]'' toys each came with a DVD containing a Japanese-dubbed episode of ''Beast Wars'' and a commercial for the toyline, along with advertisements for the 2007 movie. The toys also came with a collector's card with show-based character art on one side, and toy photos, bio and specs on the other.
**"[[Beast Wars (Part 1)|Super Lifeform Transformers Appear]]" and "[[Victory (episode)|Make a Dramatic Comeback, Destrons]]" with [[Optimus Primal/toys#Beast Wars Telemocha Series|DX Convoy]].
**"[[Beast Wars (Part 2)|Destroy the Destrons]]" with [[Optimus Primal/toys#Beast Wars Telemocha Series|Convoy]].
**"[[The Web|Cheetus's Crisis]]" with [[Rhinox (BW)#Beast Wars Telemocha Series|Rhinox]].
**"[[Equal Measures|Operation: Time Bomb Transfer]]" with [[Megatron (BW)/toys#Beast Wars Telemocha Series|Megatron]].
**"[[Chain of Command (BW)|Convoy Disappeared]]" with [[Cheetor (BW)/toys#Beast Wars Telemocha Series|Cheetus]].
**"[[Power Surge (episode)|The Sky-Mountains Explode]]" with [[Waspinator (BW)#Beast Wars Telemocha Series|Waspeeter]].
**"[[Fallen Comrades|Solitary Warrior, Tigatron]]" with [[Tigatron#Beast Wars Telemocha Series|Tigatron]].
**"[[Double Jeopardy|Kick of the Spider Woman]]" with [[Wolfang (Predacon)#Beast Wars Telemocha Series|Wolfang]].
**"[[The Probe|New Weapons of Terror!]]" with [[Dinobot (BW)#Beast Wars Telemocha Series|Dinobot]].
**"[[Gorilla Warfare|The Assassin Virus]]" with [[Blackarachnia (BW)#Beast Wars Telemocha Series|Blackwidow]].
**"[[A Better Mousetrap|Goodbye, Rattle!?]]" with [[Cohrada#Beast Wars Telemocha Series|Cohrada]].
**"[[The Spark|Falcon Warrior, Airazor]]" with [[Gimlet#Beast Wars Telemocha Series|Gimlet]].
**"[[The Trigger, Part 1|Floating Island Death Match, Part 1]]" and "[[The Trigger, Part 2|Floating Island Death Match, Part 2]]" with [[Megatron (BW)/toys#Beast Wars Telemocha Series|DX Megatron]].
**"[[Dark Voyage|Around and Around the Jungle]]" with [[Archadis#Beast Wars Telemocha Series|Archadis]].
**"[[Possession|The Immortal Starscream]]" with [[Motorarm (BWII)#Beast Wars Telemocha Series|Motorarm]].

;Universe (2003)
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[[File:Universetoy 25th anniversary optimus prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|''Universe'' "25th Anniversary" Optimus Prime with all his accessories… that is, if you happen to live in the United States.]]
*A DVD of the three part episode "[[More than Meets the Eye (mini-series)|More than Meets the Eye]]" was included with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Generation 1 series|"25th Anniversary" reissue of Optimus Prime]]… but only with the United States release. In Asia, Australia and Canada, the DVD was omitted (even though the comic book was still included).

;''Animated''
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*A DVD titled "The Battle Begins" was included with the ''Animated'' "[[Optimus Prime (Animated)/toys#Toys|Optimus Prime]] vs [[Megatron (Animated)#Toys|Megatron]]" Deluxe two-pack.

;''Prime''
*A DVD of the Transformers Prime episode titled "[[Masters & Students]]" was included in an "Entertainment Pack" with a deluxe [[Megatron (WFC)/toys#Toys|Megatron]] and [[Optimus Prime (WFC)/toys#Toys|Optimus Prime]], as well as PVC figurines of [[Jack Darby]], [[Miko Nakadai]], and [[Raf Esquivel]]. The same episode was ''also'' included with special "DVD Edition" versions of the [[Cyberverse (toyline)#Series 2|Cyberverse]] Commander Class [[Optimus Prime (WFC)/toys#Cyberverse|Optimus Prime]], [[Bulkhead (Prime)#Cyberverse|Bulkhead]], [[Starscream (WFC)#Cyberverse|Starscream]] and [[Megatron (WFC)/toys#Cyberverse|Megatron]] figures.
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==Contests==
Occasionally Hasbro has run contests based on pack-in material:

;Generation 1
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*[[Iron-on patch]]es were included with the [[combiner]] limbs and 1986 [[Mini Vehicle]]s, promoting the Prizes in Disguise contest.

;''Cybertron''
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*Peel-off stickers and game pieces promoted the "Get Your Key To Cybertron" instant win game.

==References==
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Sticker

2018-10-30T16:32:49Z

Bluestreak7:

[[File:BotCon2010-customclassSideswipe.jpg|250px|thumb|Customization class Sideswipe]]
Details on a [[Transformer]]s toy that are not molded, [[tampograph|printed]], or [[Paint operation|painted]] on may be provided by the application of one or more '''stickers'''. Generally called labels, peel-and-stick labels, pressure-sensitive decals, or simply decals in polite conversation, none of these terms have achieved the popularity of the simpler vernacular.

These devices are simply a flexible substrate with colors and designs printed on one side, and some sort of gummy glue on the other. Generally they are stuck to a wax-coated protective sheet before use, and often the individual stickers are die-cut from a single sheet of backing while attached to this waxy sheet. Many toys have stickers already applied to them at the manufacturing plant.

Stickers were abundant throughout the first decade of the ''Transformers'' franchise, but since then have been all but totally replaced with other detailing methods.

==Use in Transformers==
===Generation 1===
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As the original line lost retail steam around the globe, cost-saving measures went into effect, and paper decals became more prevalent.

===Generation 2===
As the first year of ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' in the US was almost wholly recycled molds, stickers were still the norm. The concurrent molds from the European line (which were often released in both the prior-year's packaging style ''and'' under the new ''Generation 2'' brand) kept stickers as well, both factory-applied and on separate sticker sheets. Most new-mold toys from this year used foil stickers (the [[Color Changer]]s/[[Aquaspeeder]]s/[[Stormtrooper (G1)|Stormtrooper]]s, the [[Axelerator]]s and [[Skyscorcher]]s,) though others ([[Megatron (G1)/toys#Generation 2|tank Megatron]], the [[Lightformer]]s, [[Trakkon]]s and [[Obliterator]]s) kept with thick paper, thankfully using stronger adhesives than the Japanese paper-decal toys just a few years prior.

[[File:AeroRaid-stickers.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|You didn't buy this, and you certainly didn't apply this.]]

As the line entered its second year though, the apply-your-own separate sticker sheets vanished almost completely. Most toys still used factory-applied paper decals for more intricate detailing, typically for rally deco and text, but paint operations and tampographs became more and more commonplace. Even the recycled Generation 1 [[Aerialbot (G1)#Generation 2|Aerialbot]] and [[Combaticon (G1)#Generation 2|Combaticon]] toys lacked separate sticker sheets (as did the ultimately-unreleased [[Protectobot (G1)#Generation 2|Protectobots]] and [[Stunticon (G1)#Generation 2|Stunticons]]). By 1995, many toys had eschewed sticker detailing altogether.

The only exception to the "no separate sticker sheet" rule in the US line from 1994 until ''Generation 2''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> end is [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#LaserOptimusPrime|Laser Optimus Prime]], 1995's big-ticket item, which also featured a lot of "random [[robot mode]] tech greeblies" sticker detailing that called back to the early days of the line. Japan also brought back separate sticker sheets, though in a much more low-key manner; their releases of the Autobot [[Cyberjet]]s each came with a separate transparent-plastic sheet full of extra detailing, including "battle damage" markings. It appears, however, that no instructions were given as to ''where'' on the toy these decals were supposed to go. You could take a few educated guesses, but still.
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===Beast Wars===
In 1996, the rounded, organic, heavy-sculpted-detail styling of the [[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|''Beast Wars'' toys]] made even factory-applied stickers ridiculously impractical for detailing purposes. Paint operations became the norm, and sticker detailing all but disappeared from new-mold toys since then. In the second year of ''Beast Wars'', the toys gained a very subtle sticker addition; the "[[rubsign|energon chip]]", a tiny, often-hidden heat-reactive sticker that would reveal the robot's allegiance, bringing back the classic "rubsign" [[gimmick]] from Generation 1. These stickers stuck (ha ha) with the line up through the third year, but were replaced by the snazzier-looking "[[spark crystal]]s" of the [[Transmetal 2|Transmetals 2]].

Stickers made a very brief comeback in the super-short 1997 ''[[Machine Wars: Transformers|Machine Wars]]'' sub-series, liberally mixing painted details with decals. The Basic-sized figures had factory-applied paper stickers only, while the larger boxed toys retained apply-your-own paper sticker sheets, modified from the original iterations of the toys.

Japan would once again let stickers linger a bit longer with their unique releases. ''[[Beast Wars II (toyline)|Beast Wars II]]'' made ample use of molds developed for ''Generation 2'', resulting in a fair amount of factory-applied stickers on [[Megastorm#Toys|Megastorm]], [[Starscream (BWII)#Toys|Starscream]] and [[BB#Toys|BB]]. In 1999, ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars Metals|Metals]]'' [[Ravage (G1)/toys#Beast Wars Metals|Jaguar]] not only had a factory-applied sticker inside an opening chest compartment (revealing a [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] faction symbol), but also the first separate sticker sheet in a ''Transformers'' toy since 1995. This foil sticker sheet featured two replacement "viewscreen" images for the chest-sticker ([[Megatron (G1)|Generation 1 Megatron]]'s head, and the classic [[Decepticon]] insignia on a purple grid background) as well as two Predacon symbols and two Decepticon symbols to be placed on his biceps as you wish. Mind, due to the rounded biceps, they don't really stay on well. The [[redeco]] of this toy, [[BotCon 2001]]'s [[Tigatron#BC01|Transmetal Tigatron]], also had a similar decal sheet.

===Beyond the beasts===
Despite the general return to toys with more flat planes suitable for stickers once the [[Beast Era]] ended, for the most part they have been replaced by paint operations and tampographs. From this point forward, it is far quicker to name the individual toys that ''do'' have stickers than to list all the groups that ''don't''.

Most of these have come in the form of [[convention]]-[[exclusive]] toys, and mostly due to necessity rather than preference. Aside from the aforementioned [[BotCon 2001]] Tigatron, [[OTFCC 2003]]'s [[Sideswipe (G1)/toys#Universe|Sideswipe]] and [[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys#Universe|Sunstreaker]] had simple block-decals on their roofs, due to the use of white [[unpaintable plastic]] as part of their [[Alternate mode|car mode]] exteriors, which were supposed to be red and yellow (respectively). [[BotCon 2007]] [[Thrust (G1)#Timelines|Thrust]] had small circular stickers applied to the tops of the screws in his new-mold wings, in order to hide them since they were ''supposed'' to be on the ''underside'', but an error placed them on top. And while 2011's [[Ramjet (G1)#Timelines|''Generation 2'' "Classics" style Ramjet]] is not technically a convention toy, being a [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] release, it's in the same spirit, and uses factory-applied stickers to replicate a lot of the detailing from [[Ramjet (G1)#Generation 2|the original ''Generation 2'' Ramjet toy]]. Two sticker sheets were released, both with some sigils and stickers for BotCon 2016 Megatron. The first was for ''Combiner Wars'' Magnaboss, then TFSS Bluestreak.

Stickers used on toys released at "normal" retail are rare nowadays, but do happen from time to time.

The [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 toyline)|''Car Robots/Robots in Disguise'' toylines]] (beginning in 2000 in Japan) featured several pieces that were redecoes of older toys and thus included some stickers. ''Car Robots'''s [[Mega-Octane|Dolrailer]] and [[Ruination (RID)|Baldigus]] had several factory-applied stickers (which were removed from the Hasbro version of the toy, one of several small but significant deco changes made), as did as both versions of [[Scourge (RID)|Black Convoy / Scourge]]. The [[Target]]-exclusive [[Dreadwind (RID)|Dreadwind]] and [[Smokejumper]] set also utilized a traditional peel-off sticker sheet.

2003's ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|Optimus Prime]] used stickers to put images on the flip-up "communications screens" on his forearms. In the same vein, the older-collector-oriented ''[[Transformers: Alternators|Alternators/Binaltech]]'' line (as well as its spin-offs) would see multiple uses of separate sticker sheets, though the overwhelming majority of them were from Japan. Later releases of [[Tracks (G1)#Alternators|the ''Binaltech'' blue Tracks]] came with an optional hood decal based on the [[Tracks (G1)#Toys|flame-deco of his original toy]]; this sheet was also included without changes (yes, even having Japanese text) with [[Swerve (G1)#Alternators|''Alternators'' Swerve]], making that rarely-spotted toy all the more desirable to collectors. [[Skids (G1)#Alternators|''Binaltech'' Skids]] lost the Hasbro version's flame tampographs, but toy came with a sticker sheet with the flames, a set of stripes resembling [[Skids (G1)#Toys|those from his original toy]] (Takara slavish to 1985? ''Noooooooo!''), as well as a Japanese "New Driver" badge for the window. His ''[[The Transformers: Binaltech Asterisk|Binaltech Asterisk]]'' redeco, [[Blaster (G1)#Binaltech Asterisk|Broadblast]], also came with a separate sheet of stickers, including the flames, but also decals to turn him into a "TBN" news-Scion. Finally, the ''[[Transformers: Kiss Players (toyline)|Kiss Players]]'' [[Autorooper#Toys|Autorooper]] came with a sticker sheet full of squad markings, enabling you to have your Autorooper be any of the 48 individual units from the story, not simply the one assigned to [[Atari Hitotonari]], his pack-in "partner". (It is unknown if anyone actually ''did'' assemble a full compliment of 48 Autoroopers. And if they did, what the hell they did with the other 47 Ataris. Though 48 [[Kremzeek]]s sound pretty awesome.)

Several of the [[Movie (toyline)|2007 movie's]] [[Real Gear Robot]]s have factory-applied stickers used for display images. These include [[Farsight T-20]], [[Hacker X-3]], [[Highline 1070]], [[Longview (Movie)|Longview]], [[Photon T-34]], [[Power Up VT6]], [[Speed Dial 800]], [[Spy Shot 6]], [[Wire Tap V20]], and [[Zoom Out 25X]]. The Real Gear Robots were originally designed for ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'', and several of these displays feature images from that franchise.

In 2011, Hasbro [[rebranding|rebranded]] the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|gold-packaging ''Transformers'' line]] as "[[Reveal the Shield]]", bringing the heat-sensitive [[rubsign]]s back for another go, though this time rather than being squares, they were cut in the rough shape of the Autobot [[insignia]]. The brick-based ''[[Kre-O]]'' line from this year also made use of user-applied sticker sheets.

In 2012 to 2013, the TakaraTomy releases of the ''[[Transformers: Prime (toyline)|Prime]]'' toys dropped many (but not all) of the Hasbro releases' paint operations, replacing them with customer-applied stickers. Instead of the Hasbro weapons, these releases featured their own [[Arms Micron]] accessories, all of which also relied on stickers for detail.

In 2013, the TakaraTomy version ''Fall of Cybertron'' [[Vortex (FOC)|Vortex]] has a Decepticon sigil sticker of his midsection.

In 2013, the massive ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations:]] [[Thrilling 30]]'' Titan Class [[Metroplex (G1)#Generations|Metroplex]] toy used over 100 customer-applied stickers for detail, presumably because doing all those details in [[Paint operation|paint]] would have skyrocketed the budget of this already-expensive figure.

In 2014, ''Generations: Thrilling 30'' [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] and [[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]] came with stickers too.

In 2015 to 2016, ''Combiner Wars'' [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Combiner Wars|Megatron]] had a small sticker sheet included with the figure. [[Menasor (G1)#Generations|Menasor]] and [[Superion (G1)#Generations|Superion]], [[Defensor (G1)#Generations|Defensor]] and [[Optimus Maximus (G1)|Optimus Maximus]], and [[Devastator (G1)#Generations|Devastator]] each had a sticker sheet exclusive to Hasbro Asia markets.

In 2015 to 2017, the entire ''Robots in Disguise'' toyline features faction symbol stickers called "Shields", which can be scanned with the accompanying Robots in Disguise app to temporarily unlock the toy for use in-game.

In 2016 to 2017, the ''Titans Return'' toyline features some factory-applied stickers for detailing (initially only on the Legends Class molds that turned into PDAs to decipt their screens, but starting from Wave 3 they became the norm for Voyager and Leader Class figures), along with Titan Class [[Fortress Maximus (G1)/toys#Generations|Fortress Maximus]] and [[Trypticon (G1)#Generations|Trypticon]] in a similar style to Metroplex. Wave 1 and 2 Deluxe, Voyager, and Leader Class figures had a sticker sheet per wave exclusive to Hasbro Asia Markets.

In 2017 to 2018, the ''Power of the Primes'' toyline features once again factory-applied stickers for detailing on Voyager Class figures and up. Due to the TakaraTomy versions of the figures being the same, they still have those stickers.

In 2018, ''Legends'' G2 Megatron came with a small sticker sheet referencing the original Hero version.

===Modern Generation 1 reissues & redecos===
Reissues and redecoes of Generation 1 molds naturally retained their separate decal sheets, but as time went on, more and more began replacing factory-applied stickers with more durable tampographs. The most notable examples are in the reissues and redecoes of the [[Sideswipe (G1)/toys#Toys|original Sideswipe mold]]: the rally-deco headlamps on every use of the mold since the "New Year Special" release in 2002. The Takara ''[[The Transformers: Micromaster|Micromaster]]'' series (also begun in 2002) used nothing but paint operations for the five Micromaster six-teams, often leaving areas once covered by more complex-detail stickers blank and adding entirely new detailing to other areas. However, the final releases in the series, the "DX Micromaster" versions of [[Multiforce]], used factory-applied paper decals for their robot mode torso detailing.

==Pros and cons==
A distinct advantage of stickers over paint in general is the ability to do much more intricately-detailed, multicolor detailing for a cheaper price. Many fans also enjoy the simple act of applying stickers, adding an almost personal touch to the toy upon ownership.

But, well... there are some disadvantages to them too. Okay, a lot of disadvantages.

Stickers are a common area for early wear-and-tear, as the designs can be abraded away, leaving ugly residue underneath. (There are many plastic-safe chemicals to quickly remove this munge, but still.) Some toys have stickers meant to be applied to areas all but guaranteed to destroy them by simply transforming the toy, one of the most notorious being the thigh stickers on the original [[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]] [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Generation 1|Hot Rod]]. While the later [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Targetmaster|Targetmaster Hot Rod]] used smaller thigh decals, scraping was still a problem. Paper stickers can lose their clear-plastic top-layer, making the paper underneath ''much'' more vulnerable to damage, plus they are (obviously) more susceptible to water damage, so no tub-time play!

While the transparent-plastic decals are probably the most resilient to physical damage, they have their own problem, namely that even the color details tend to be semi-transparent, which can lead to the details getting lost should the sticker be applied to darker plastics. Also, any dirt that happens to get under the sticker becomes much more visible, and discoloring has been known to happen. Foil stickers have also been known to simply fade, losing their color details without the sticker below being scraped.

Just how "sticky" a sticker is can also lead to problems, especially when taking into account the materials they're made of and the surfaces they're meant to cover. As noted above, the paper decals used on several toys in the ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (toyline)|Victory]]'' line and beyond in Japan had notoriously weak adhesive, meaning stickers wouldn't stay on terribly well. This was especially problematic with stickers meant to bend around corners or rounded surfaces, as the thickness of the paper made them more likely to come off on one side. (Apparently they've yet to properly solve this problem as the 2004 [[e-HOBBY]] [[Detritus (G1)|Detritus]] toy also suffered from paper-sticker issues). Even foil stickers can have this problem, the most notorious example being the ridiculous "eye" sticker on the [[Seeker (body-type)#Generation 1|original "Seeker"-style jet mold]] that was supposed to go over the bridge of its nose, though several ''[[Diaclone]]'' molds wanted you to fold stickers at a 90-degree angle. [[Skids (G1)#Toys|The original Skids toy]] does that, plus has the problem of the instructions telling you to place circular stickers over the rounded screw-heads on his shoulders, which actually stick out ''beyond'' the background plastic of the shoulders! There's almost no way those are going to stay put, even if you never ever rotate his shoulders outward. Add in that his upper-thigh decals are much too easy to place in a way where they scrape against his crotch-plate when transforming, and you've got the triumvirate of Sticker Placement Annoyances.

And bringing back the "apply it yourself" angle, this often causes minor issues when buying old toys secondhand. More often than not, these stickers were applied without a lot of care by little kids, which mean stickers can end up misaligned or just flat-out in the wrong places. The sometimes-ambiguous instructions don't help.

[[File:SpringerG1Toy.JPG|thumb|upright=0.85|I demand to be called "Blinger" now.]]

One complaint about stickers that pops up that is not really inherent to stickers themselves, but still worth noting, is their aesthetic value even when mint. Throughout Generation 1, most of the robot mode sticker detailing can be best described as multicolored, utterly random, meaningless "greeblies", though some are worse than others (see the image to the right for a particularly egregious example). While [[live-action film series|excessive amounts of tech detailing are not necessarily a bad thing]], some find them very incongruous with the simpler, blockier designs of the early toys, especially their rainbow of colors and occasionally odd stylistic choices, such as the reel-to-reel tape details on [[Hot Spot (G1)#Toys|Generation 1 Hot Spot's crotch]] (which makes the sticker featuring 5-inch [[floppy disk]] drives on [[Kup (G1)#toys|the original Kup toy]], a figure of an "old guy" character, all the funnier). Some fans prefer to omit certain stickers based on looks alone, particularly if leaving a spot bare could make the toy [[Show-accuracy|more closely resemble]] the [[Character model|animation model]].

All told, it's little wonder why stickers have fallen out of favor with [[Hasbro]] and [[TakaraTomy]], as well as most other toymakers, it seems. While paint may not be as intricate (at least, not affordably intricate), such intricacy is rarely called for nowadays, and it is (usually) far more durable and fade-resistant.

==Aftermarket replacements==
Aftermarket manufacturers have sprung up that supply reproduction stickers. Some are available that were designed and never used on the original toy; others are original designs supplied as improvements, providing detail not previously found, to help make the toy more screen- or comic-accurate. Still other designs may allow a toy to be repurposed as a different character, made to resemble a real-life vehicle on which its alt mode is based, improve flaws on official figures, or may add a novelty factor.

[[Category:Toys]]

File:IDWMtMtE15-FortMaxOverlordThwok.jpg

2018-10-30T16:32:10Z

Bluestreak7:

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|description=[[Fortress Maximus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Fortress Maximus]] briefly shifts into [[alt mode|vehicle mode]] for a runup to give [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]] a good THWOK!ing.
{{art|script=[[James Roberts]]
|pencils=[[Alex Milne]]
|inks=Pick one from Alex Milne, [[Marc Deering]], [[Brian Shearer]] and [[Phyllis Novin]]
|colors=[[Josh Burcham]] with [[Josh Perez]] and [[Joana Lafuente]]
|letters=[[Tom B. Long]]
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|issueno=15
|storytitle=Under Cold Blue Stars
|pageno=17
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|year=13}}
[[Category:Images by Alex Milne]]
[[Category:Images by Tom B. Long]]

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2018-10-30T16:28:25Z

Bluestreak7:

Promotional image for [[The Loyal Subjects]] 8" vinyl [[Nemesis Prime (Armada)|Nemesis Prime]] figure.

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{{c}} 2013 Loyal Subjects.
[[Category:The Loyal Subjects toy images]]

Ultra Magnus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity

2018-10-30T16:26:58Z

Bluestreak7: /* Lost in time and space */

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[[File:SpotlightUltraMagnus-HisWayOrTheHardWay.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Aww, betcha say that to all the treaty-breaking weapons dealers."]]
Even in war, there are laws. '''[[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]''', Duly Appointed Enforcer of the [[Tyrest Accord]], is the thin blue line that enforces those laws. Whether Autobot or Decepticon, break them and you can do things his way... or the hard way.

He's so popular that people just love to cosplay as him!

{{quote|But is it enough to make me "bend"? In my book, one compromise leads to another... and '''''another'''''... and pretty soon... you've '''''crossed''''' the line you're supposed to be holding.|Ultra Magnus|''[[Spotlight: Ultra Magnus]]''}}

:*''First Appearance:'' [[Escalation issue 1|Transformers: Escalation #1]] (Minimus Ambus, as Ultra Magnus)
:**[[Parasites|Transformers: Autocracy #2]] (the original Ultra Magnus)
:**[[The Gloaming|Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #16]] (Datum, as Ultra Magnus)
:**[[Remain in Light 1 of 5: The Fecund Moon|Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #17]] (Minimus Ambus, as himself)
:**[[Shining Armor issue 1|Rom vs. Transformers: Shining Armor #1]] (Convoy, as Ultra Magnus)

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==IDW Generation 1 continuity==
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===The original Magnus===
[[File:Parasites-OrionPaxUltraMagnusSparring.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|Foreshadowing!]]
The legend of Ultra Magnus began with the first 'bot to bear the name: a stern, no-nonsense Autobot who, during the early years of the war, fought alongside [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Orion Pax]], [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] and the legendary [[Delta Magnus]] to contain the Decepticons. {{storylink|Parasites}} {{storylink|Remain in Light 3 of 5: The Divided Self|The Divided Self}} When Orion sided with [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] to overthrow [[Zeta Prime]]'s corrupt government, Magnus and his security forces stood with them, {{storylink|Overthrown}} but when Zeta was deposed, Megatron betrayed Orion and took over the planet, sending Magnus, [[Ironhide (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ironhide]], and [[Bumblebee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Bumblebee]] into hiding. They were captured when their safehouse was raided by the Decepticons, {{storylink|Transformation (issue)|Transformation}} but were soon liberated by [[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Hot Rod]] and met back up with Orion, who had been transformed into [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]] and awoken the dormant [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]. {{storylink|Rise}} Alongside the entire Autobot army, Ultra Magnus then marched on the [[Citadel]] to fight Megatron for the control of Cybertron. {{storylink|Broadcast}} After the Decepticons had been chased out of [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]], Magnus aided Optimus Prime in inspecting the remains of Zeta Prime's cache of outlawed weaponry. {{storylink|Endgame}}

Shortly after Optimus Prime's rise to leadership, Ultra Magnus was part of a unit sent to defend the [[Toraxxis mega-refinery]] from [[Scorponok (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Scorponok]]'s Decepticons. {{storylink|Rage (IDW)|Rage}} During the Autobots' attempts at stopping a rampaging [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]], Magnus was responsible for bringing out the strongest weapons in the Autobot arsenal {{storylink|The Illusion of Control}} and subsequently fought at Prime's side during the battle with the beast in [[Harmonex]]. {{storylink|Annihilation}} Following the defeat of Trypticon at the hands of Megatron and [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], Ultra Magnus saw the calm as a chance to arrest Megatron, but was discouraged from doing so when the rest of the Decepticon army arrived. {{storylink|Belly of the Beast (issue)|Belly of the Beast}} He went on to oversee the process of cleansing Grimlock's systems of Trypticon's corrupted energon, {{storylink|Primacy issue 1|Primacy #1}} and witness the epic battle between Trypticon and Metroplex. {{storylink|Primacy issue 3|Primacy #3}} Once Trypticon's attack turned out to be the first phase of a Decepticon invasion, Ultra Magnus stood with the other Autobots in defense of Iacon. {{storylink|Primacy issue 4|Primacy #4}}

===The immortal lawman===
[[File:MTMTE19 magnus armor.jpg|thumb|225px|"I've never seen anything so awesome in the entire galaxy...Alright, give me the bomb."]]
But all beings have a fixed lifespan, and Ultra Magnus was no different. When he passed away (under currently unrevealed circumstances), the legend he left in his wake inspired Chief Justice [[Solomus|Tyrest]] to ensure that he lived on. Circulating a rumor that Magnus had merely faked his death, Tyrest fashioned a suit of [[Magnus Armor|armor]] cast in Magnus's image and bestowed it upon a succession of other 'bots—the first being '''[[Suture (G1)|Suture]]''', with later successors including '''[[Datum]]''', '''[[Ramp]]''' and '''[[Blockus]]'''—who took on Magnus's name and reputation, and served Tyrest as a Duly Appointed Enforcer of the [[Tyrest Accord]], upholding the [[Code of Interplanetary Conflict]], a treaty between Autobots, Decepticons and other alien races. Each wearer was a "loadbearer", a kind of [[Point One Percenter]] possessing a [[spark]] with an animating force strong enough to integrate the Magnus armor. Upon the passing of each wearer, a trigger in the armor would return it to Tyrest wherever he was in the galaxy, so that it could be passed on to his next chosen enforcer. The Cybertronian public only ever believed that there was a solitary Ultra Magnus who flouted death at every turn; {{storylink|Remain in Light 3 of 5: The Divided Self|The Divided Self}} the "freak recoveries" he made only enhanced Magnus's reputation, and he would later be cited by [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] as an example of a larger sized bot whose Spark could recover from the kind of damage suffered by [[Rewind (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rewind]]. {{storylink|Before & After}}

[[File:MTMTE16 magnus on simanzi.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.67|You know Magnus, you don't need this much firepower just to fix a leak in your basement.]]
As such, it becomes hard to know exactly which Magnus was involved in which of his recorded appearances, such as his battle against [[Black Shadow (Victory)|Black Shadow]] as part of the [[113th Battalion]]. {{storylink|Rules of Disengagement (issue)|Rules of Disengagement}} One bearer of the Magnus Armor perished on [[Simanzi]], 1st Cycle 3718, when he was caught offguard by a [[Cybernought|Cybernaught]] while heading toward the [[Crucible]] with [[Rotorstorm (G1)|Rotorstorm]]. Later, during the 2nd Cycle, another Magnus fell when he took a direct hit from the [[K-Class]] Decepticon [[Torque (G1)|Torque]] while giving orders during a battle on [[Clemency]] over the [[Nightmare Engine]]. In the 3rd Cycle, the statistician Datum was wearing the Magnus Armor and took part in the [[Battle for Hell's Point]], during which he blocked the exhaust vent of [[Hell's Point|the ship in question]] with his body, trusting that the [[Warriors Elite]] wouldn't risk destroying it by blasting him off without Megatron's permission. Unfortunately, he hadn't realized Megatron was right there, hiding in plain sight in his new gun alternate mode, which [[Heretech]] used to blast him. {{storylink|The Gloaming}} Legend held that the smirk Magnus had given the warriors when he thought he had them beaten was the only time he ever smiled in his life. {{Storylink|Liars, A to D Part 2: Hangers On|Hangers On}} One Magnus would fall victim to the Spark affliction known as a [[zero point]], {{storylink|Zero Point}} and another to the [[Fast-Folding Sun]]. {{storylink|Remain in Light 3 of 5: The Divided Self|The Divided Self}}

One of the Ultra Magnuses had Wheelie work under him, who supplied him with reserve ammunition. Unfortunately, due to Wheelie's small size, Magnus had a tendency to overlook the little bot. {{storylink|Spotlight: Wheelie}}

Only a few Autobots ever knew the truth of Magnus's identity; by the time of the 19th century, they included Optimus Prime, [[Ironhide (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ironhide]], {{storylink|Shining Armor issue 5|Shining Armor #5}} [[Prowl (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Prowl]], {{storylink|The Becoming: Dark Cybertron Chapter 10|The Becoming}} [[Ratchet (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ratchet]] {{storylink|The Sound of Breaking Glass}} and [[Bumblebee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Bumblebee]], the latter only aware because people tended to tell him their secrets. {{storylink|Shining Armor issue 5|Shining Armor #5}} However, the secret did leak in the form of a conspiracy theory claiming that Ultra Magnus was "just a little guy in armor", though it wasn't widely believed. {{storylink|Winners & Losers: Dark Cybertron Chapter 3|Winners & Losers}}

[[File:MTMTE18 minimus ambus.jpg|thumb|And then Takara saw this and were all like, "Oh, hmmm. We need to do a [[Alpha Trion (G1)#Legends|redeco]], don't we?"]]
After burning through several other load bearers, '''[[Minimus Ambus]]''', spark brother to the noted Autobot philanthropist [[Dominus Ambus]], took up the mantle of Ultra Magnus. {{storylink|Remain in Light 3 of 5: The Divided Self|The Divided Self}} Minimus found his overachieving brother difficult to get along with, but loved him all the same; he was off-planet when Dominus mysteriously disappeared, but the connection the brothers shared led Minimus to believe his brother had died. His physical resemblance to Dominus (including the shared "facial insignia" moustache of the [[House of Ambus]]) pained Minimus, so when Tyrest chose him to be the next Ultra Magnus—to become a different person—Minimus was happy to take on the role. He aspired to be the kind of no-nonsense lawman the original had been. {{storylink|The Not Knowing}}

Renowned for his stalwart personality and his commitment to the job, Minimus became the longest serving wearer of the Magnus Armor. {{storylink|Remain in Light 3 of 5: The Divided Self|The Divided Self}} As Magnus, Minimus had many adventures in his duties as enforcer of the Tyrest Accord, including the arrests of both a Decepticon peddling miniaturization technology who infected him with [[Nanocon]]s, {{storylink|Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations|You, Me, and Other Revelations}} and wannabe [[Sparkeater (creature)|Sparkeater]] [[Blip]]. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 3: The Chaos of Warm Things|The Chaos of Warm Things}} When [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]]'s renegade "patient" [[Arcee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Arcee]] cut a swathe of destruction across the galaxy, Magnus hunted her down, using a combination of holographic trickery and shock grenades to subdue her so she could be sent to the [[Garrus-9]] penitentiary. {{storylink|Spotlight: Arcee}}

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===Xetaxxis and back===
[[File:ShiningArmor2-spacewalk.jpg|thumb||left|upright=1.4]]

Some three hundred years ago, Minimus Ambus was gravely wounded and opted to take a sabbatical from his duties. In his place, Tyrest appointed '''[[Convoy (G1)|Convoy]]''' as the next Point One Percenter to don the armor. Convoy brought his own unique spin on Ultra Magnus to the table: eschewing his predecessor's stern, measured approach, Convoy was hotheaded, triggerhappy, and prejudiced against organics. {{storylink|Shining Armor issue 5|Shining Armor #5}}

In the mid-19th century, Ultra Magnus and his crew of [[Bumblebee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Bumblebee]] and [[Sky Blast (G1)|Sky Blast]] were patrolling the [[Zugzwang Cluster]] when they came across a pair of Decepticons assaulting a [[Galactic Council]] shuttle. They quickly overwhelmed their foes and, at Magnus' urging, investigated the wreckage to ensure that nobody had survived. The two found that the Decepticons had been trying to destroy the Council ship to cover up their tracks; smelling a conspiracy, Magnus hacked into the shuttle's security and discovered the Council had been bound for the backwater planet of [[Xetaxxis]]. The Autobots followed, and eventually caught up with them over the [[Solstar Order]] space station ''[[Orchid Crossing]]''; leaving Sky Blast to watch the ship, {{storylink|Shining Armor issue 2|Shining Armor #2}} the pair made a dramatic entrance by blasting their way in through a wall. {{storylink|Shining Armor issue 1|Shining Armor #1}}

[[File:ShiningArmor2-wereintrouble.jpg|thumb||right|upright=1.4]]

The two Autobots were immediately attacked by four [[Space Knight]]s; misreading the situation, Magnus mistook the Cybertronian orphan [[Stardrive]] for a Decepticon operative and opened fire on Starscream and the Knights as the chaotic battle began tearing the space station apart. Sky Blast joined the fight, but was jumped by one of the Decepticon's [[Dire Wraith]] allies and subsequently mutated into an out-of-control monster.

Deciding the battle was lost, Magnus hacked into the space station's systems and disabled everything, sending ''Orchid Crossing'' plummeting into Xetaxxis in the hopes that atmospheric reentry would burn the hybrid up with them. Stardrive - hoping to rescue the Cybertronians - used her starfighter configuration to rescue them, and all three Transformers plummeted onto the icy surface of the planet. Quickly recovering form his ordeal, Magnus placed her under arrest for violating the [[Tyrest Accord]]s; Stardrive agreed to go with Magnus under the condition that they find her Space Knight comrades. Irked at the idea of helping organics, Magnus didn't get far into his argument before Rom, [[Livia]], and [[Sata]] arrived and shot him. {{storylink|Shining Armor issue 2|Shining Armor #2}}

[[File:ShiningArmor4-MagnusVsWraiths.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4]]

Recovering from the blast, the two Autobots engaged the Space Knights in a brief shootout as he shielded Stardrive from [[Neutralizer]] fire. Stardrive managed to break up the fighting and properly introduced herself to the two feuding factions. Rom was left confused by talk of the Decepticons, prompting Ultra Magnus to explain the nature of the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]] and the factionalized state of the Cybertronian species. When Stardrive revealed the existence of her energon synthesizer, the Autobots and Knights agreed to a temporary teamup and rolled out to find the synthesizer before the Decepticons could. The ground-bound Autobots and Sata were delayed when Bumblebee stopped to help the native [[Xetaxxan|Xetaxxians]] cope with the extreme cold, a violation of the Tyrest Accord which earned the ire of Ultra Magnus. It didn't take long before the "Xetaxxians" revealed themselves as Dire Wraith imposters as [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] and [[Vekktral]] attacked. Magnus ordered his two comrades to join the others while he stayed behind to hold off the horde. {{storylink|Shining Armor issue 3|Shining Armor #3}}

Using the superheated rock as an improvised weapon, Magnus fought wave after wave of Wraiths, shrugging off their blows before he began to tire. After dispatching a hundred of the aliens, an exhausted Magnus was slowly worn down by their onslaught and pinned to the ground as Vekktral approached, boasting that he now understood how to properly control Cybertronian biology. Possessed by Vekktral, the Wraith-Magnus regrouped with the Decepticons and, using his new knowledge, immediately turned on Starscream and the other Decepticons. {{storylink|Shining Armor issue 4|Shining Armor #4}}

[[File:ShiningArmor4-UltraMonster.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.4|[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Guzzlord_(Pok%C3%A9mon) Guzzlord], is that you?]]

Decepticons, Autobots, and Space Knights formed a strange alliance against Vekktral and his body-snatching forces, Vekktral losing an arm from their combined attack. Within his mind, Magnus continued to struggle against Vekktral before Convoy realized that the Wraith had made a crucial oversight; unaware of the nature of the [[Magnus Armor]], Vekktral had failed to account for the inner robot. Convoy was thus able to stop Vekktral by forcing Ultra Magnus's chest open, giving Rom opening he needed to end the threat by allowing Rom to shoot him.

Following the sterilization of Xetaxxis, Bumblebee used the armor's recall switch to return to the Autobot fleet and inform Optimus Prime about Convoy's passing. Optimus Prime briefly eulogizied Convoy as he laid the fallen Autobot to rest; after a century of recuperation, Minimus Ambus returned to active duty and donned the repaired armor to become Ultra Magnus once more. {{storylink|Shining Armor issue 5|Shining Armor #5}}
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===The hunt for Scorponok===
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Tracking down Decepticon wheeler-dealer [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] on the planet [[Zull]], Magnus was convinced to let the criminal go in exchange for information on the current whereabouts of an even greater offender: [[Scorponok (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Scorponok]], against whom Magnus bore a personal grudge. Magnus followed Swindle's lead to the planet [[Nebulos]], and although he disrupted Scorponok's operations, the Decepticon was able to escape. {{storylink|Spotlight: Ultra Magnus}} The cycle repeated years later when Magnus caught up to Swindle again, arresting him for yet another violation, only to wind up once again letting him go in return for a fresh lead on Scorponok's new location. {{storylink|Escalation issue 1|Escalation #1}} {{storylink|Spotlight: Optimus Prime}}

While en route to help deal with the fallout of a [[Spotlight: Arcee|break-in at Garrus-9]], Magnus changed course in response to a distress call from [[Hound (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Hound]]'s crew, who were under attack by [[Cyclonus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Cyclonus]]. After Magnus drove Cyclonus off, he teamed with Hound's crew to track him to [[Corata-Vaz]] and stage an ambush, only to be beaten back when he unleashed [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] on them. {{storylink|Spotlight: Cyclonus}} {{storylink|Spotlight: Hardhead}} After obtaining further intel on the plot being orchestrated by Cyclonus and his fellow [[Dead Universe]] Transformers, {{storylink|Spotlight: Doubledealer}} Magnus co-ordinated a simultaneous strike against their various [[Nega-Core]] installations. {{storylink|Spotlight: Sideswipe}}

[[File:MaxDinos5 Grimlock Magnus.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.66|It's now my job to jail all the interesting guys.]]
Sometime after the foiling of the Dead Universe [[Expansion]], Ultra Magnus received a signal from a battered Hot Rod, requesting some backup for [[Sunstreaker (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Sunstreaker]], who was in the process of confronting Scorponok on Earth. Determined to put an end to his old quarry once and for all, Magnus headed for Earth. {{storylink|Maximum Dinobots issue 1|Maximum Dinobots #1}} {{storylink|Maximum Dinobots issue 4|Maximum Dinobots #4}} Scorponok had already been defeated by the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dynobots]] by the time Magnus arrived, though he made it in time to stop them from killing him, intent on seeing Scorponok punished by the law. After stripping Scorponok's [[Machination]] facility of Cybertronian tech and providing Optimus Prime with a report on the events, Magnus departed for Garrus-9 with Scorponok, [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]] and Grimlock, who had surrendered to Magnus in exchange for his rescinding the warrants on the other Dynobots. {{storylink|Maximum Dinobots issue 5|Maximum Dinobots #5}}

===Taking charge===
[[File:LastStandoftheWreckers1-trysomethinghilarious.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|Ultra Magnus uses sarcasm quotes to remind you he doesn't find ''anything'' hilarious.]]
Magnus was soon to discover that he had picked up a stowaway when he left Earth: human runaway [[Verity Carlo]]. Surprisingly, Magnus warmed to Verity in his own way and allowed her to stay with him; she, in return, affectionately dubbed him "Uncle Magnus". After about four years of adventuring together, Magnus and Verity were called upon by Prowl to transport the Autobot commando squad known as the [[Wrecker]]s to Garrus-9, which had been overrun by Decepticons during a [[Surge (G1)|galaxy-wide uprising]] a few years before. En route, the group picked up former Wreckers leader and Garrus-9 escapee [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]], {{Storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 1|Last Stand of the Wreckers #1}} who Magnus encouraged the recalcitrant [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] to take on the mission with them. Magnus proceeded to brief the Wreckers and sent them on their way, but refrained from participating in the mission himself, both to turn a blind eye to the Wreckers' often-brutal methods, and because Prowl had requested his presence back on Earth to investigate the murder of Ironhide. {{Storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 2|Last Stand of the Wreckers #2}} The mission was a disaster at best, with many Wreckers dying at the hands of [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]]; Magnus would go on to carry great guilt over his non-participation. {{storylink|Under Cold Blue Stars}} Further, on the return trip, Magnus discovered that Verity had also left him, having stolen away with the Wreckers on their mission; {{storylink|In Word and Deed}} despite appearances, he would dearly miss her. {{storylink|Cybertronian Homesick Blues}}

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Arriving on Earth, {{storylink|Things Fall Apart, Part 1: "New Arrivals, Old Encounters"|New Arrivals, Old Encounters}} Magnus discovered the Autobots in disarray, Ironhide's death having caused Optimus Prime to surrender to human agency [[Skywatch]], leaving Bumblebee in charge. Magnus called for the Autobots' full cooperation, but after performing an autopsy of Ironhide's body and learning that the 'bot who had led the mission on which he died, Hot Rod, had broken away from Bumblebee's group, he elected to search Hot Rod out for questioning. {{storylink|Things Fall Apart, Part 2: "A Rude Awakening"|A Rude Awakening}} Discovering that Hot Rod—now calling himself "Rodimus Prime"—had begun to construct a rocket to leave Earth, and had allied himself with Decepticons in order to do so, including Magnus's old stoolie Swindle, Magnus attempted to arrest Rodimus under charges of treason. Prowl stood up for Rodimus, and, unable to arrest ''everyone'', the furious Magnus returned to Bumblebee's cave. {{storylink|Things Fall Apart, Part 3: "Seasons in Flight"|Seasons in Flight}} In short order, he forcibly recruited a team of Autobots to arrest Rodimus and his followers, but when they returned to Rodimus's launch site, they were confronted by Swindle's secret weapon: the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticon]] [[combiner]] [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]], who was ordered to kill Magnus first. {{storylink|Things Fall Apart, Part 4: "Enemies of the System"|Enemies of the System}} Magnus fared poorly in the battle, but was saved from death at Menasor's hands by Optimus Prime, who had brokered an alliance with Skywatch. Repaired after the battle, Magnus was furious to find Swindle had slipped through his fingers again, and took out his frustrations on Rodimus. When Bumblebee tried to defuse the situation, Magnus attempted to cite his greater authority of his legal jurisdiction, but was put in his place when the younger Autobot pointed out that on Earth, ''he'' was in charge. However, as this was going on, Rodimus took off in Ultra Magnus' shuttle, leaving him stuck on Earth with the other Autobots. {{storylink|Things Fall Apart, Part 5: "Earthworks"|Earthworks}}

Temporarily provided with a ship by Skywatch, {{storylink|International Incident Part 1: "The Land Ironclads"|The Land Ironclads}} Magnus recovered the surviving Wreckers from Garrus-9, and delivered the fruit of their mission to Prowl: a [[data slug]] containing complete records of Autobot war crimes from the [[Aequitas]] computer. Knowing that it would be disastrous if the data got out, Magnus maintained his plausible deniability and left it in Prowl's hands. {{Storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 5|Last Stand of the Wreckers #5}}

[[File:IDW16 magnus under fire.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.95|Eastbound and Down.]]
Some time later, when Bumblebee was the victim of an attempted assassination, Magnus lost patience with [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]]'s raging and threatened to have him restrained. He was interrupted by the news that the plane carrying Optimus Prime's team back from [[North Korea]] had been blown out of the sky, but before he and [[Kyle Pennington|Pennington]] could get any real information about the attack, the Decepticons launched an attack on the base. Ultra Magnus was incapacitated by [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]]'s sonic powers, allowing the Decepticons to free their captive comrades and escape. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 1: The Demolished Man|The Demolished Man}} In the aftermath of the attack, Magnus took command and relocated everyone to [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]'s location, but not before leaving Brawn with a mission to find and recruit the aid of the disenfranchised Decepticon [[Thundercracker (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Thundercracker]]. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 2: Altered Carbon|Altered Carbon}} On the way to Omega, the Autobots were attacked by humans who didn't want them on their planet, and Pennington had to talk Ultra Magnus out of retaliating. Unfortunately, things got worse when Megatron himself showed up and easily dispatched Ultra Magnus and his troops. Assuming that he was out to destroy the Autobots as usual, Magnus tried to distract Megatron from killing the Skywatch soldiers, but the Decepticon made it clear that the humans were just as important targets for his revenge. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 3: Woken Furies|Woken Furies}} The injured Magnus was held hostage by Megatron and [[Soundwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Soundwave]] and used as leverage to get Optimus Prime to meet with them. This meeting ended with Megatron retreating with a [[stasis lock]]ed Soundwave, and Ultra Magnus was brought to safety. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 4: Burning Chrome|Burning Chrome}} As he awaited repairs, Magnus told Prime that he had managed to place a tracking chip on Soundwave, allowing the Autobots to find Megatron's hideout. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 5: Enemy Mine|Enemy Mine}}

Six weeks later, Ultra Magnus watched as Rodimus returned to Earth with the [[Matrix of Leadership]] and several lost Autobots in tow. He brought news that Galvatron had built an army and taken control of Cybertron, prompting Optimus Prime to lead his Autobots back to their home planet. On Bumblebee's orders, Ultra Magnus remained on Earth with him, Prowl and a few others to investigate charges brought against [[Spike Witwicky (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Spike Witwicky]] for the supposed murder of [[Scrapper (G1)|Scrapper]]. {{storylink|Space Opera—Final Tableaux: Orphans of the Helix|Orphans of the Helix}} He still participated in talks of what would be done with Megatron, who had surrendered himself and been taken into space with Prime's Autobots. When [[Xaaron]] explained that they needed a neutral third party to judge the Decepticon leader for his crimes, Magnus suggested [[Solomus|Chief Justice Tyrest]], and opined that they should aim for a death sentence. {{storylink|Chaos Theory Part 1|Chaos Theory #1}}

[[File:IDW29 magnus arrests swindle.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.95|"Don't worry, Swindle. I kept your room the way you left it."]]
Magnus chewed out Prowl and [[Streetwise (G1)|Streetwise]] after the latter had broken protocol and transformed into [[robot mode]] during a mission to spy on Witwicky. Prowl brought up his suspicions of anti-Transformer pundit [[Ben Simpson]] and of a deeper Decepticon conspiracy, but Magnus ordered him to stick to the case at hand. {{storylink|Police Action: Part 1|Police Action #1}} The Autobots then brought in [[Sandra (G1)|Sandra]], a former Skywatch agent who abandoned Spike's unit once it started breaking too many rules. Ultra Magnus commended her for sticking to military protocol before questioning her on Spike's past. {{storylink|Police Action Part 2: Only Forward|Only Forward}} Around this time, Ultra Magnus was on hand to witness Bumblebee bring all five Stunticons into custody to everyone's surprise. {{storylink|The Question}} Then, after learning the whereabouts of Ben Simpson from Sandra, Bumblebee and Magnus agreed to circumvent the slow human legal system and rolled out with Skywatch to confront Simpson, discovering him to be a [[facsimile construct]] controlled by none other than Swindle. The Decepticon tried to escape again, but Ultra Magnus dismembered him and dragged him back to base, where he admitted under interrogation that he had been supplying Spike Witwicky and Skywatch with Cybertronian technology from the start. This revelation caused the Autobots to sever their ties with Skywatch. {{storylink|Police Action Part 3: A Second Chance at Eden|A Second Chance at Eden}}
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===The problem with peace===
[[File:LiarsAtoD1-MagnusVision.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|Risk of criminal activity: None. Practically perfect in every way.]]
The Autobots on Earth returned to Cybertron once Optimus Prime's team had defeated Galvatron, the [[D-Void]], and the Decepticons. Feeling that the Autobots were no longer wanted on post-war Cybertron, Ultra Magnus decided to accompany Rodimus and [[Drift (G1)|Drift]] on their quest to find the [[Knights of Cybertron]]. {{storylink|Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime|The Death of Optimus Prime}} He joined the crew of the ''[[Lost Light]]'' as Rodimus's second-in-command, but soon started to become increasingly petty about minor infractions and had many, ''many'' reservations about those who had signed up for the quest. Magnus's troubles on the ''Lost Light'' started when an accident at launch caused the ship to [[Quantum generator|quantum jump]] to a random point in space. {{Storylink|Liars, A to D Part 1: How to Say Goodbye and Mean It|How to Say Goodbye and Mean It}} A ruptured hull led to a portion of the crew being sucked out into space, so Rodimus and Ultra Magnus set the ''Lost Light'' down on a nearby planet and went out searching for them. {{Storylink|Liars, A to D Part 2: Hangers On|Hangers On}} The ship was soon repaired and took off again, only for a [[Sparkeater (creature)|Sparkeater]] to be discovered on board, reminding Ultra Magnus of Blip. Magnus heavily disapproved of Rodimus using [[Rung (G1)|Rung]] as bait to lure the creature in to be killed, and told Rodimus that he had to call him out on that because nobody else would, but Rodimus brushed off the lecture, stating that ''he'' was in charge now. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 3: The Chaos of Warm Things|The Chaos of Warm Things}}

As time went on, Magnus became increasingly anal about ''everything'', especially minor, pointless things like dirt {{storylink|How Ratchet Got His Hands Back}}, Autobrands at angles, lighting problems, and so on—an inability to cope with peacetime had led to a full-blown nervous breakdown for Magnus that saw him try to append as much weight to the everyday rules of life as he had to the rules of war. {{storylink|Parasites}} {{storylink|Remain in Light 3 of 5: The Divided Self|The Divided Self}} He made life hell for just about everyone of the ship with his obsessive-compulsive tendencies and relentless attempts to enforce petty, pointless standards of conduct that the entire crew did their best to defy, Rodimus most of all, who simply started ignoring his many, many memos. He started to question why he'd joined the quest and tried to leave several times, but Rodimus would keep talking him into staying. {{storylink|Cybertronian Homesick Blues}}

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Discovering that the naive [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]], who had been offline for the duration of the war, wanted to be a Decepticon Magnus reported him to Rodimus. A history lesson courtesy of Rewind quickly disabused Tailgate of this notion, and he decided to be an Autobot instead {{storylink|Life After the Big Bang}} so Magnus began educating him in the [[Autobot Code]]—a long tortuous process that saw Magnus pore over the unabridged version and go over it in [[Semicolon|excruciating detail]]. {{storylink|How Ratchet Got His Hands Back}}

After attending a ceremony honoring [[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]], [[Chromedome (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Chromedome]] and [[Brainstorm (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Brainstorm]], Ultra Magnus was among the crew members temporarily frozen in place by one of Brainstorm's backfiring weapons. {{storylink|The Reluctant Specialist}} Learning of the [[Swerve's|bar]] that [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] had set up, he promptly arrested the big-mouthed 'bot, and sent him to join Rewind replacing rivets on the ship's hull. When Fortress Maximus took Rung and [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] hostage, Magnus listened in on his threats. {{storylink|Interiors}}

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The infestation of Nanocons, long thought eradicated, became active within Ultra Magnus, so a team of hardy Autobots were miniaturized and implanted inside him to try to fight the creatures. The Nanocons eventually ended up at Magnus's mouth pistons, and he was forced to destroy them by smiling—not without great effort, as those mechanisms had become rusted with disuse. Though he was greatly embarrassed by it and the crew consequently mocked him for it, Rodimus assured him that it meant they were beginning to accept him. When the ''Lost Light'' encountered the [[Galactic Council]] ship ''[[The Benign Intervention]]'', Magnus was able to use his bureaucratic skills to talk [[K'gard|Captain K'gard]] into allowing a delegation of Autobots to visit Crystal City. He himself was beamed aboard the Council ship, where K'gard told him that he was trusted by the Council and tried unsuccessfully to talk him into joining them—he even smiled at the idea the other Autobots might influence him to be less strict in his outlook. When the Council ship came under apparent attack from the surface, Magnus was beamed back aboard the ''Lost Light'' before K'gard began the process of destroying the Autobot ship with an incineration shell. Fortunately the ship had a last-minute save, courtesy of a freed [[Titan (IDW)|Titan]]. {{storylink|Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations|You, Me, and Other Revelations}}

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Following a reconnaissance mission to [[Temptoria]], {{storylink|Before & After}} Magnus returned to the ''Lost Light'' to find Cyclonus had been blamed for an attack on [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]], and was forced to restrain Cyclonus after Drift's attempted interrogation turned violent. {{storylink|Shadowplay, Part 2: Patternism|Patternism}} When it turned out Red Alert's decapitation was self-inflicted, Magnus suggested putting him into cold storage, something Rodimus reluctantly agreed with. {{storylink|Shadowplay (Conclusion): An Intimate Beheading|An Intimate Beheading}} This matter dealt with, the Autobots were able to follow up on Magnus's information from Temptoria, which pointed to the missing [[Circle of Light]] possibly being held there by Decepticons. Magnus joined a task force of Autobots in an attack on the Decepticon base on the planet, his prowess in the subsequent battle particularly impressing Tailgate. Though they liberated Temptoria's capital, they failed to find the Circle of Light. {{storylink|Before & After}}

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Having been ordered by Rodimus to go on shore leave to Hedonia, Magnus joined Swerve's social group and debuted his holomatter avatar: a copy of Verity. Slipped a [[Nucleon (substance)|nucleon]] mickey by Whirl, Magnus fell unconscious, awakening just long enough to break down in front of Swerve, admitting that he hated the quest, was upset that nobody liked him, and believed everything had gone wrong when he'd accepted Tyrest's offer. Passing out once more, his unconscious body was hauled out into the street by Swerve and friends, where they jumped up and down on him until he reflexively transformed, allowing them to drive him back to the shuttle. {{storylink|Cybertronian Homesick Blues}} Afterwards, he tried to socialise with Rung and even tried jokes, to toe-curlingly embarrassing failure. Despite that, they got on quite well. {{storylink|Signal to Noise}}

Magnus was among those interviewed for Rewind's documentary about life on the ship, "Little Victories". He used his authority to censor the parts that made him look silly. {{storylink|Little Victories}} But it would be some time before the video would be seen by the other crewmembers, given what was about to happen...

===Identity revealed===
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Unbeknownst to Magnus, the captive Overlord was being held in a secret cell on the ''Lost Light''. When he was accidentally allowed to escape, Magnus was the first one to charge against the loose Decepticon, still carrying the guilt after the Garrus-9 fiasco. He managed to briefly beat Overlord into submission until the Decepticon stabbed him through the spark with Drift's [[Great Sword]]. While the rest of the crew dealt with dispatching Overlord, [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] tended to Magnus's injuries, only to discover that he would be unable to prevent the collapse of his spark. {{storylink|Under Cold Blue Stars}} The comatose Magnus was given only ten days to live, but before his end could come, within the Magnus Armor, Ambus reflexively tripped the recall switch. Under its own power, the armor levitated from the med-slab, carrying Ambus within it, appropriating a shuttle that would take him to Tyrest, who currently dwelt on Cybertron's lost moon, [[Moonbase One|Luna 1]]. {{storylink|The Gloaming}} The switch normally functioned as a teleporter, but Ambus deliberately chose to activate the manual recall, which he knew would allow the ''Lost Light'' to follow him, in hopes that Tyrest would properly discipline Rodimus for the reckless leadership that Magnus had been unable to curb. {{storylink|Remain in Light 5 of 5: This Calamitous Life|This Calamitous Life}}

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Upon arrival, Magnus's body was recovered by Tyrest and taken to [[Pharma (G1)|Pharma]], who was able to use Tyrest's collection of bleeding-edge tech to save his life. While the doctor worked, however, Tyrest reviewed Magnus's journals, and was appalled to see how he had become reduced to an officious, bureaucratic ''joke''. He angrily deactivated the Magnus Armor, stripping Minimus Ambus of the role he had played for years and made his very life. {{storylink|Remain in Light 3 of 5: The Divided Self|The Divided Self}} Presently, when Rodimus and a contingent of ''Lost Light''ers arrived on Luna 1 as Magnus had expected, they were promptly captured by Tyrest's forces. {{storylink|Remain in Light 1 of 5: The Fecund Moon|The Fecund Moon}} Learning from Tyrest that they were to be put to death for harboring a criminal—amnesiac crewmember [[Skids (G1)|Skids]]—Ambus requested that he be placed in a cell alongside them. {{storylink|Remain in Light 3 of 5: The Divided Self|The Divided Self}} He pretended to be an energon trader in order to get them to tell him about their recent escapades, hoping to prove to Tyrest that they, like he, had no knowledge of Skids's criminal past. {{storylink|Remain in Light 2 of 5: House of Ambus|House of Ambus}} {{storylink|Remain in Light 3 of 5: The Divided Self|The Divided Self}} That went wrong when Rung was able to recognize the personal tics of Magnus in Ambus, and he forced Ambus to come clean about his identity and explain his life story to Rodimus and the others. Rodimus's story also had its share of surprises for Ambus, as he learned that Tyrest was working with the Decepticon [[Titan Hunter]]s and had amassed a graveyard of [[Titan (IDW)|Titan]] remains. Determined to find out what was going on, and why the ''Lost Light''ers were being charged with "crimes against creation", he confronted Tyrest for answers. The revelations were shocking: Tyrest believed that all Transformers "constructed cold" were abominations and he intended to exterminate them all with a [[universal killswitch]]. Ambus refused to allow him to go through with his plans, so Tyrest initiated the newest amendment to his accord—pre-emptive execution—and had one of his [[Legislator]] robots crush Ambus's head. {{storylink|Remain in Light 3 of 5: The Divided Self|The Divided Self}}

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Soon after, Rodimus and the others escaped their cell burst into Tyrest's control room. Tyrest warned them against interfering, gesturing at Ambus's fallen body as an example of what happened to those who opposed him. {{storylink|Remain in Light 4 of 5: Arm the Lonely|Arm the Lonely}} Fortunately, the Magnus Armor was not the only load that Ambus was capable of carrying: the head that was crushed by the Legislator belonged to ''another'' layer of augmentation around his irreducible core. After Tyrest activated the killswitch, Minimus awoke and punched his way clear of his intermediate body's remains and, grabbing one of the Legislators' guns, shot Tyrest in the back. Along with [[Perceptor (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Perceptor]], he devised a way to use Rodimus's half of the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] to reverse the effects of Tyrest's killswitch, though at great risk to Rodimus's own life. Before it was put into operation Rodimus and Ambus took the opportunity to clear the air between them, with Minimus revealing that he didn't consider Rodimus a fit captain and Rodimus revealing that he had done far worse, but promising to make amends. Though their plan was successful and Rodimus survived, they were quickly overrun with Legislators and Ambus had to take up his gun once again to fight them off before [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] managed to use everything Magnus had taught him about the Autobot Code to re-write Tyrest's laws and shut them all down. {{storylink|Remain in Light 5 of 5: This Calamitous Life|This Calamitous Life}}

In the aftermath of the battle, Ambus retrieved his outer shell and reintegrated with it. Later in the ''Lost Light''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s medbay, [[Ratchet (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ratchet]] helped him put the Magnus Armor back on, revealing that he had known about it all along, right back to the original Ultra Magnus, but since he had known Minimus the longest he considered him to be the ''true'' Ultra Magnus. {{storylink|The Sound of Breaking Glass}} With his armor reattached, Magnus met with Rodimus to take stock of recent events, then, upon learning that Cyclonus and had saved Tailgate's life, formally welcomed the ancient Transformer on board. {{storylink|Remain in Light 5 of 5: This Calamitous Life|This Calamitous Life}}

===Seeing justice done===
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After the ''Lost Light'' rescued Orion Pax from the destruction of the planet [[Gorlam Prime]], Magnus accompanied him and Rodimus on a tour of the ship, {{storylink|Dark Dawn: Dark Cybertron Chapter 1|Dark Dawn}} and later joined them for a drink in Swerve's to discuss the current state of affairs. Having learned that a portal to the Dead Universe had appeared on Cybertron, Rodimus and Pax ventured through the portal that had consumed Gorlam Prime to investigate the mystery from the other side, while Magnus was left in charge of the ''Lost Light'' and given orders to track down Jhiaxus, who Prime suspected was responsible. {{storylink|Black Metal: Dark Cybertron Chapter 2|Black Metal}} Before long, however, the ''Lost Light'' found itself pushed off-course by Metroplex's thumb, which they had previously recovered. After conferring with the crew, Magnus made the decision to foll the thumb's pull and go in search of Metroplex. {{storylink|Winners & Losers: Dark Cybertron Chapter 3|Winners & Losers}}

Locking on to the thumb's signal and quantum-jumping to the ocean world of [[Hydrophena]], the ship was attacked by [[Ammonite]]s. Magnus's group took to the sea in the [[Rodpod]] and soon found Metroplex, {{storylink|Into the Abyss: Dark Cybertron Chapter 4|Into the Abyss}} only to discover that the giant's brain module was missing. {{storylink|No Exit: Dark Cybertron Chapter 6|No Exit}} While searching Metroplex's interior, they learned that Shockwave was the architect of their recent misfortunes, and encountered the [[Caminus|Camiens]] [[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]] and [[Nautica (G1)|Nautica]]. {{storylink|The Dead Are Not Enough: Dark Cybertron Chapter 7|The Dead Are Not Enough}} Their companion [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] was able to fill the group in on Metroplex's status, and Magnus had the idea to jumpstart Metroplex with the ''Lost Light''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> quantum engines. This successfully allowed Metroplex to quantum jump back to Cybertron. {{storylink|Burning Bright: Dark Cybertron Chapter 8|Burning Bright}} From Metroplex, Ultra Magnus and the other had a front row seat as the giant defeated the [[Necrotitan]] that had been battering [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]. {{storylink|Finis Temporis: Dark Cybertron Chapter 9|Finis Temporis}}

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In the aftermath, Ultra Magnus tried to learn more from Metroplex about the Knights of Cybertron, but could glean nothing. Receiving word of a fight between Chromedome and Prowl, he left to break the scuffle up; Prowl took offense at his intrusion, prompting Magnus to offer some choice words for the police 'bot regarding his underhanded tactics and how they harmed people. A fight seemed like it might break out between the two, until the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]], who had become fond of Prowl, stepped in, and Magnus left Prowl with his new "friends". {{storylink|The Becoming: Dark Cybertron Chapter 10|The Becoming}} As an army of seventy billion Ammonites descended upon Cybertron, Magnus joined a team led by Bumblebee to confront Shockwave in his [[Crystal City]] headquarters, though Magnus became sidetracked fighting [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] with Skids and Brainstorm while the others went on. Bludgeon was about to stab him through the chest when Optimus Prime's team suddenly emerged through a wormhole inside Brainstorm and saved him. {{storylink|Black Planet: Dark Cybertron Chapter 11|Black Planet}} Prime, Magnus and Megatron confronted Shockwave, but Magnus was blasted by Shockwave and taken out of the fight early. He was fortunately intact enough to escape after Shockwave's time drive collapsed into a black hole. {{storylink|...And the Damage Done: Dark Cybertron Finale|...And the Damage Done}}

As a direct outcome of Shockwave's defeat, Megatron decided to lay down his arms and become an Autobot. When the public of Cybertron demanded that the ex-Decepticon be placed on trial, Optimus appointed Ultra Magnus as the defense, a position he accepted, albeit not without a brief hesitation. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Towards Peace}} [[File:MTMTE30 magnus hammer.jpg|left|thumb|upright=2.25|[[Diedrich Bader|HAMMER OF JUSTICE!!!]]]] Following testimony from Starscream—which Magnus had to interrupt to object to the former air commander's granstanding—Megatron asked Magnus to change his plea to not guilty. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 2: Words Hang in the Air|Words Hang in the Air}} After Magnus resignedly read Megatron's statement to the crowd, however, a group of Decepticons attacked the proceedings, and Magnus grabbed a giant hammer from one of the arena's statues to beat them back. Subsequently, during a recess, Megatron explained that this change of plea was a ploy to evoke an ancient legal loophole that permitted him to be tried not by his peers, but by the Knights of Cybertron. To that end, Optimus Prime assigned him co-captaincy of the ''Lost Light'' alongside Rodimus, and Ultra Magnus rejoined the ship's crew as it left Cybertron to resume its quest. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 3: Predestination: A Beginner's Guide|Predestination: A Beginner's Guide}}
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===A change in perspective===
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Some time into the journey, the ''Lost Light'' encountered an object in space which turned out to be a coffin. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Towards Peace}} Magnus objected to Megatron's decision to bring it onboard, but was relieved that he was at least willing to follow proper quarantine protocols. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 2: Words Hang in the Air|Words Hang in the Air}} Following the discovery that the coffin contained a dead second Rodimus and that the ''Lost Light'' was disappearing piece by piece, the crew were forced to abandon ship, with Magnus and Rodimus escaping in the ''[[Leading Light]]''. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 3: Predestination: A Beginner's Guide|Predestination: A Beginner's Guide}} As crew members began disappearing as well, Magnus used his holomatter avatar to communicate with Megatron on the Rodpod, only to disappear mid-conversation. {{storylink|Twenty Plus One}} The remaining crew discovered that these disappearances were the result of their coming into proximity with a quantum duplicate of the ''Lost Light'', created in the original quantum jump launch accident, which was "overwriting" theirs. Investigating the wreckage of the duplicate, the small group of survivors discovered that the entire duplicate crew, including Ultra Magnus, had been slaughtered by the [[Decepticon Justice Division]]. {{storylink|slaughterhouse}} Fortunately, they were soon able to shut down the duplicate ship's quantum engines, causing it to disappear and the other ship and crew to reappear. {{storylink|slaughterhouse Part 2: The Road Not Taken|The Road Not Taken}}

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As everyone gathered in Swerve's to celebrate their survival, Brainstorm—revealed to be an undercover Decepticon—made his move, triggering a posion he had laced the bar's drinks with that incapacitated the whole crew. Only Magnus, as a teetotaler, remained to confront him, but Brainstorm had prepared for that eventuality and blasted Magnus with a [[disaggregator gun]], which ripped the armor off Minimus. By the time he pulled himself together, Brainstorm had escaped via his [[Time case|time-machine briefcase]]; Megatron found the whole situation so ridiculous that he lost his temper, but Magnus reassured him that having a mental breakdown on the ''Lost Light'' was perfectly normal. {{storylink|The Custom-Made Now - An Elegant Chaos Prologue|The Custom-Made Now}} Believing that Brainstorm intended to alter history by killing Orion Pax, Rodimus took a team back in time after him; Magnus remained in the present, though he questioned Rodimus's wisdom in taking Whirl along on the mission. {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 1: All Our Parlous Yesterdays|All Our Parlous Yesterdays}} Things did not go well; when Megatron vanished from Magnus's internal database, they realized that they had made a mistake, and that it was the Decepticon leader himself, not Orion Pax, who was Brainstorm's target. {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 2: Stet|Stet}} Megatron took this as well as could be expected, forcing Magnus to physically restrain him as he tried to force Perceptor to send him back in time to save himself. After Megatron was calmed down, Magnus tried to lighten the mood by comparing [[Rodimus Star]]s; he won his for "Neatest Handwriting". Ultimately, the time-travellers were able to keep history from being altered, and when they returned to their present, Magnus joined the rest of the crew in Swerve's for celebrations. {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 3: Predestination: An Expert's Guide|Predestination: An Expert's Guide}}

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The [[Lost Light Internal Legal Affairs Committee]] was subsequently convened to decide upon Brainstorm's fate, overseen by Rodimus, Magnus, and [[Xaaron]], where it was decided that since Brainstorm was not actually a Decepticon, but had only been using them for their resources to accomplish what he thought would be to the betterment of history, he would not be kicked off the ship. Following the verdict, Magnus visited Megatron in his quarters, suspecting he had stolen a datapad that had vanished from Magnus's quarters, but found nothing. Called in to see Ratchet for a checkup, Magnus admitted to the medic that his irritation stemmed from the fact he was feeling "enfeebled"; now that everyone on the ship knew he was really Minimus Ambus, he believed they no longer respected him, and he had even found a little figurine of Minimus outside his door that he felt sure had been left there to mock him. Ratchet soon discovered, however, that it was just the opposite: the figurine had been sculpted by Swerve's bouncer [[Ten]], who thought Magnus was the bee's knees and had taken his missing datapad, leaving the figurine as a trade. Discovering the that datapad contained ''poetry'' that Magnus had been trying to write, Ratchet wrote a message for him on it advising him to be more open, and told Ten to deliver it. Encouraged by Ratchet's words, Magnus accepted Ten as a friend, and removed his armor to get a drink with him at Swerve's as Minimus Ambus. {{storylink|Our Steps Will Always Rhyme}}

When the ''Lost Light'' crew attended a pre-wake for Thunderclash, Minimus Ambus attended sans armor, and studied the supposed map to [[Cyberutopia]] that Thunderclash had carved into a wall. {{storylink|The Sensuous Frame}} Unfortunately, his lack of armor left him defenseless when the crew were attacked by the [[personality tick]]s that had brought Thunderclash to the brink of death, but the combined charisma of Rodimus and Megatron proved enough to "overdose" the psychic monsters. A little later, back in his armor on the ''Lost Light'', Magnus informed [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] that [[Skater]], [[Flex]], and [[Borer]] had solved the mystery of the ticks before him and were much more humble in doing it. {{storylink|The Frail Gaze}} Shortly thereafter, the ''Lost Light'' was contacted by Optimus Prime on Cybertron, inviting them to return to their homeworld in order to be present for the historic first contact with the colony world of [[Caminus]]. Unwilling to pause their quest again, they agreed to send an ambassador on their behalf; Magnus tried to tell Prime about recent events, but Rodimus cut him off. {{storylink|First Contact (IDW)|First Contact}}

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When Swerve's mind retreated to [[Swearth|holomatter duplicate of Earth]], Magnus (along with the rest of the crew) sent a holomatter avatar to help search for the minibot's mind, in the process recreating ''[[Community]]'' with Chromedome and Rewind. {{storylink|The One Where They Go to Earth}} Later, as Swerve was recuperating, Magnus, having had enough of Rodimus's dirty office, took it upon himself to clean it up, but in the process he discovered that the doodles Rodimus had carved into his desk were a map to Cyberutopia. Another revelation followed hot on the heels of this one; Swerve's condition had been caused by an infection resulting from a message bullet lodged in his shoulder by the Autobot spy [[Dominus Ambus|Agent 113]]. Magnus and Megatron examined the contents of the bullet together, which contained co-ordinate pointing the way to the home base of the supposedly-mythical "[[Mortilus|Necrobot]]". Magnus objected to exploring this tangent rather than following the Cyberutopia map, but was overruled by Megatron. Consequently, Magnus shed his armor and took Rewind aside; the little archivist was a former [[Conjunx Endura]] of his missing spark brother Dominus, and Minimus cautioned him against being too hopeful that they would find evidence that Dominus still lived. {{storylink|The Not Knowing}}

After an altercation involving Cyclonus and Tailgate, which ended with the latter hospitalized, Rodimus had Chromedome use his mnemosurgery abilities to discover just what had happened, revealing Getaway had been conspiring to get Megatron killed or arrested, at the cost of Tailgate's life. So Ultra Magnus went to arrest him, at which point Getaway's co-conspirator Atomizer took offense and tried attacking him, for all the good that did. Shortly thereafter, noted psychiatrist [[Froid]] arrived on-board, in a ship containing the infamous murderer Sunder. For some reason this made Ultra Magnus incredibly unwelcoming toward Froid. {{storylink|Speak, Memory: Part 1}} And that was before Sunder got free and started make people tear themselves inside out, Rodimus included. Fortunately, everything turned out fine thanks to Tailgate. In the aftermath, Ultra Magnus helped Megatron make witty comments at his re-covered co-captain. {{storylink|Speak, Memory! (Part 2)}}

Around late December of that year, Rodimus took off for three days to go surfing on comets, much to Minimus and Megatron's shared exasperation. By the time he returned, the ship had started moving close to Mauler territory, and in order to protect the crew they had to hide their spark energy signatures in Biometric Envelopment Devices, while Brainstorm's cloaking device hid the ship. Rodimus returned just in time to find Megatron helping Minimus put the last finishing touches on the device.

A short while later, as he crooned merrily to himself, Minimus found Swerve, Nautica and Whirl looking stiff and humorless outside his office, rather than in their B.E.Ds. Before he could finish lecturing them, he got a call from Rewind, who was finding the concept of "one bot to a B.E.D." difficult to grasp. Then, as he entered his office Minimus was set upon by his own armor, which had apparently come to life. Before he could react, Minimus was knocked unconscious by a stray wrench. {{storylink|Silent Light}} Of course, the armor had just been taken over by a swarm of scraplets, and in the aftermath Minimus spent several days fumigating it, just to be sure, distracting him from being concerned about Perceptor's experiments with space-time fissures in ''Swerve's'', though he did join the crew in a toast to surprises. {{storylink|No Guns, No Swords, No Briefcases}}

===Lost in time and space===
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Some weeks after Sunder's rampage, Magnus was part of the Autobot force that heroically defended the people of [[Miliarium]], fighting alongside Thunderclash. Later, on-board the Lost Light, Minimus was present for Megatron's lecture on the Knights of Cybertron, and what the crew had learnt about them. As Mimimus praised for the discipline and focus he was bringing, Megatron started having spasms. When Mimimus tried approaching him, Megatron lashed out. Later, Velocity noted that if Megatron hadn't been taking Fool's Energon, the blow would've likely killed Minimus.

That night, at thirty-one oh-seven hours, several members of the crew were subject to a psychological assault. Rodimus, ever the beacon of rationality, suggested tracking it to it's source, distracting Magnus from his concerns with a grammatical slip. Magnus then joined the expedition, which wound up with the Rodpod inside a planet, which soon turned out to be the Necrobot's. Before the crew could dwell on that one, they were attacked. As they fled toward the Necrobot's compound, the Rodpod was shot down and destroyed, Magnus losing an arm in his effort to shield Swerve from the destruction.

Once inside, the bad news just kept on coming. It turned out the crew had been lured to the planet thanks to Getaway, and his fellow conspirators. As in, the rest of the crew, who had gotten fed up with Megatron being in charge, and Rodimus's leadership. So they arranged for them to be stranded there, with no means of getting off the planet and no means of contacting the Lost Light, their punishment for daring to side with the enemy. And just to round off the bad news, the D.J.D. were there too. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light: (1) How Bright Their Frail Deeds|How Bright Their Frail Deeds}} The Autobots were given until sundown before the enemy would storm them, in a bit of psychological warfare, but Magnus and the others learned that the Necrobot's teleportation chamber was still active and they could escape. Problem was, that would mean abandoning dozens of slumbering organics in stasis pods that the Necrobot had been keeping. Magnus, along with the others, decided to stay and ensure the organics wouldn't be murdered after Megatron gave a rousing speech. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 2: The Sun in Flight|The Sun in Flight}}

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A surprise appearance by Ratchet and Drift, taking the DJD's [[turbofox]] "Pet" as a hostage, gave them a titchy edge, undone by Megatron being near-killed by [[Tarn (DJD)|Tarn]] when trying to negotiate. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 3: Your Fierce Tears|Your Fierce Tears}} The crew began to fortify the place while Magnus, in Ambus form, was measured for a new suit of armour by Brainstorm. The ''biggest possible'' suit Brainstorm could fit on his loadbearing self! MiniMagnus was clear they were all going to die and that was the be all end all (and he had a [http://www.greatwar.co.uk/poems/poets/mccraearticle.htm poem about poppies] to read out for it), and told Nightbeat that to get him to ''stop talking'' about this unimportant hollow bit of the Necroworld; just to keep him quiet, he told Nightbeat he could go investigate as long as it wasn't alone. Mid-measurement, Rewind arranged it so the crew could broadcast into space how they wanted their corpses to be disposed of.
{{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 4: At Close of Day|At Close of Day}} Minimus Ambus, blaming himself for having fun instead of stopping all of this, requested to be buried in his armour at the Luna-1 hot spot. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light: (1) How Bright Their Frail Deeds|How Bright Their Frail Deeds}}

[[File:AtCloseOfDay-MaximusAmbus.jpg|thumb|left|250px|He's bigger, faster, and stronger too. He's the first member of the ''Lost Light'' crew.]]
While berating Rewind for searching the Necrobot's files, Minimus casually mentioned that his brother Dominus had also been a loadbearer, something Rewind hadn't known. This upset Rewind and he wanted to know what Dominus really looked like... and Minimus showed him Dominus' turbofox form, unaware that the "Pet" they'd captured was ''his brother, lobotimised and "domesticated"'', and left unaware when Rewind killed Dominus to prevent Chromedome's own death while fixing the man. He was still blissfully unaware when he arrived in his new '''MAXIMUS AMBUS''' armour, courtesy of Brainstorm; armour he remarked was "tasty". In the end, after Rodimus thanked everyone for travelling with him, Magnus and his friends charged the Decepticon guns, {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 4: At Close of Day|At Close of Day}} but not before everyone received a power boost from Skids. Ambus was one of the most ferocious opponents to face the Decepticons, knocking the daylights out of [[Helex (DJD)|Helex]] during the battle's opening stages. Soon, however, the power boost wore off and the Autobots were surrounded. Megatron joined the battle and covered the crew's retreat back into the fortress. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 5: Rage, Rage|Rage, Rage}} After Megatron emerged victorious and the DJD were defeated, Minimus was present with the old command trio of him, Rodimus, and Drift at the Momument to the [[Disappeared]], as Rewind explained how several missing 'bots were rescued by the Necrobot, and Rewind paid a last tribute to his deceased brother. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}}

The ''Lost Light'' crew were now joined by dozens of disoriented Cybertronians yanked from across time and space, and so Ultra Magnus took it upon himself to bring the new arrivals up to speed with the help of an extremely long slideshow. His audiovisual presentation did little to impress new arrival [[Anode]]. Minimus Ambus subsequently shed his outer armor to travel back to Cybertron with Rodimus and a small crew of other Autobots to pick up a new ship, using a jury-rigged [[Teleport chamber|teleporter]]. They discovered, however, that their entire world had been shunted into an [[Functionist Universe|alternate reality]] thanks to a rogue Galactic Council [[geobomb]]. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 1: Some Other Cybertron|Some Other Cybertron}}

The entire group was arrested by [[Twelve-of-Twelve]], believing them to be rogue members of the [[Anti-Vocationist League]], and paraded through the streets in a public spectacle; when Rodimus looked to Minimus for consolation, the tiny Autobot only succeeded in making Rodimus feel worse about their predicament. That's when the real AVL showed up to free the captives, but their prowess left something to be desired and resulted in Megatron taking command of the battle. In the aftermath, [[Clicker]] offered to take the group back to [[Kalis|Adaptica]], their base of operations.{{storylink|Dissolution Part 2: Anomie|Anomie}} The group met up with rogue [[Functionist Council]] member [[Nine-of-Twelve]], from whom they learned more about the history of the Functionist Universe. Their history lesson was overshadowed when [[Six-of-Twelve]] announced "Revelation Day" and unveiled Rung's supposed alternate mode: a gigantic mining tank that left Minimus suspicious. Before the Autobots, could coordinate their next move, they were interrupted by the sudden return of [[Moonbase Two|Luna Two]], thought lost after a string of wars against the greater galaxy. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 3: A World Misplaced|A World Misplaced}}

The moon, as it turned out, had been weaponized into a gigantic [[harvester unit]] and began laying siege to the city, dragging buildings and their occupants into the air to be stripped down and processed. Having learned of a way to return to their own universe, Rodimus and Megatron butted heads as they argued about whether to save this Cybertron or flee back to their home reality, forcing Minimus to step in. Ultimately, Minimus stayed behind in Adaptica with Megatron while Rodimus's crew went off to rescue Rung, helping to coordinate the evacuation as Cybertronians fled the city. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 4: Bad Moon Rising|Bad Moon Rising}} {{storylink|Dissolution Part 5: Modes of Production|Modes of Production}}

With time running out, Minimus relayed an urgent communique from Brainstorm back on the dimensionally-displaced Necroworld, warning the Autobots that they had less than twenty minutes before it would be impossible for them to return home. With Rung laying down his life to fight the moon, the Autobots hatched a new plan where they would teleport the entire moon away from Cybertron, saving the planet and allowing them to return home. Clicker led the group to a [[matter transporter]], which turned out to be a dud, and then to a second device, which worked. Frustrated that Megatron and Terminus had yet to return, Minimus warned Rodimus that they couldn't let the ex-Decepticon "get away"... which provoked Rodimus into leaving the two behind. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 6: This Machine Kills Fascists|This Machine Kills Fascists}}

In the wake of their adventure, Minimus donned his new Magnus Armor once again, only to discover that it wasn't working properly. Unbeknownst to the tiny Autobot, this hardware failure was a result of his internal cognitive dissonance after letting Megatron escape, unable to reconcile the murderous Decepticon with the odd friendship he had formed with the ex-Decepticon leader. Realizing that he was uncharacteristically late for an inspection, Minimus Ambus headed off to check up on [[Skip]]'s makeshift starship form. Once more ensconced in his malfunctioning armor, Ultra Magnus sadly mused on Rodimus's leadership versus Megatron's own stint as captain. Rodimus admitted that he had come to accept Megatron's change of heart... which prompted Ultra Magnus to snap at Rodimus, decrying his captain's judgement and denouncing Megatron as an abuser and manipulator. This tirade snapped Ultra Magnus's armor back to normal, and he promptly stomped off to conduct a proper inspection before takeoff. {{storylink|After Megatron (A Dissolution Epilogue)|After Megatron}}

Three weeks after the mutiny and the adventure in the Functionist Universe, the funerary broadcast reached Cybertron and Earth. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light: (1) How Bright Their Frail Deeds|How Bright Their Frail Deeds}}

At some unspecified point after this, a message reached Ultra Magnus and Whirl via the holographic [[Shimmer]] - Springer, sending out a message to those he trusted, asking them to destroy the legacy of the Wreckers and make a better future. {{storylink|Transformers:_Requiem_of_the_Wreckers|Requiem of the Wreckers}}

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==Prevenge==
{{voiceactor|[[Jack Angel]] (English)}}
Ultra Magnus was lecturing Tailgate on the Autobot Code when he was suddenly transported away from the Lost Light through a trans-dimensional portal. He found himself in a metal corridor, accompanied by a reverse-polarity [[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]]. The recordicon's speech mannerisms soon began to annoy Ultra Magnus, but "thankfully," auto-cannons popped out from the corridor, giving Ultra Magnus something to blast. The two of them made their way through the labyrinth they found themselves in, eventually meeting with six other abductees from different universes: [[Blades (RB)|Blades]], [[Sonar (BW)|Sonar]], [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]], [[Ironhide (RID)|Ironhide]], [[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]], and [[Sureshock (Armada)|Sureshock]]. Despite Sureshock's protests, Ultra Magnus established himself as being in charge, stating that it was his business to be the ranking officer in any given situation.

A menacing voice then made itself heard, saying that it was responsible for bringing everyone together inside its death trap. After rather embarrassingly unleashing a sick and rusted [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticon]] against the group, the voice commanded the lot to fight one another to the death. The group (for the most part) refused, and forced the [[Skuxxoid]] to reveal himself as the architect behind the whole plot. The villain was disposed of in short order, leaving the abductees to devise a way to get themselves back home. Sonar suggested that since the place they were in was governed inherently ridiculous laws, an equally ridiculous solution was called for. Ultra Magnus went along with the idea, despite it going against everything he held dear in life. The group settled on all laughing together, as characters in a cheesy cartoon are prone to do when an episode comes to an end. Surprisingly enough, this worked, and Ultra Magnus found himself on the Lost Light once more. Shaken by his adventure, he made Tailgate promise to never speak of what had just happened, and dismissed him from his lessons for the day. {{storylink|Prevenge}}

==Notes==
*Magnus here is very different to the previous G1 takes. [[Simon Furman]] stated this was out of his 2005-06 desire to be different and not repeat things; rather than be uncertain of his role as he was in [[Marvel Comics]], this character would be utterly certain and unwavering. <ref>[http://insidepulse.com/2006/08/04/50140/ Comics Nexus: "Caught in the Nexus: Simon Furman"]</ref>
*Furman spent some time teasing an Ultra Magnus/[[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]] fight in homage to the [[Marvel Comics|Marvel UK]] [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''Transformers'' comic]], but had abandoned it by the time he wrote ''Revelation''.<ref>[http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/its-qa-time-again/ IT’S Q&A TIME AGAIN! | simon furman] ''
''20. You previously mentioned that we’d see Ultra Magnus vs Galvatron. Is this still going to happen?
SF) This was where my plans for Revelation/Expansion really did change, and not just because of the shift in format. Originally, I really wanted to have an Ultra Magnus/Galvatron smackdown in the tradition of the one from Target: 2006, but once I'd arranged all the players in Revelation I realised it just wasn’t going to work.</ref>
*Optimus Prime's unnamed Senator friend wandered around the "Shadowplay" 3-parter in not only a Magnus-style design, but in Ultra Magnus' colours. This was deliberate, making us believe that this was going to be the origin of Ultra Magnus rather than the origin of [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]].<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-comics-discussion/716601-transformers-more-than-meets-eye-11-discussion-spoilers-29.html#post8649838 Forum post by Alex Milne]</ref>
*James Roberts had carefully seeded some clues of Ultra Magnus's true identities in issues of ''More Than Meets The Eye'':
**In "[[Interiors]]", Skids mentions that Magnus used to do wisecracks.
**In the [[Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations|2012 annual]], he prescriptively describes himself using the third person. Twice.
**Magnus refers to Tyrest giving him everything he wanted in "[[Cybertronian Homesick Blues]]".
**The fatal damage done to Magnus in "[[Under Cold Blue Stars]]", the damage First Aid says can't be fixed? It's exactly the same type of damage First Aid says Magnus survived once before in "[[Before & After]]".
**"[[The Gloaming]]" flashbacks showed Ultra Magnus dirty, with a crooked badge, and wise-cracking, all things his present self could never do, and each flashback ended with damage that Magnus would be really lucky to survive.
*Tragically, Ultra Magnus is the best hugger on the ''Lost Light''.<ref>[https://twitter.com/jroberts332/status/799406382181220353 James Roberts during a whiskey-induced Q&A on Twitter]</ref>

==References==
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[[Category:IDW Generation 1 Autobots]]
[[Category:Law enforcement]]
[[Category:Lost Light crew]]
[[Category:Point One Percenters]]

Crucible (Part 4): The Return of the King

2018-08-10T00:20:58Z

Bluestreak7: /* Errors */ story arcs never seem to get their own pages, so I just linked it to the first issue

{{Comicstory
|seriesissue=''[[The Transformers: Lost Light|The Transformers: Lost Light]]'' #22
|prev=Crucible (Part 3): Farsickness
|next=Crucible (Part 5): The Unremembering
|image=LL22_cvrA.jpg
|title="Crucible (Part 4): The Return of the King"
|caption="Certainty of death. Small chance of success. What are we waiting for?"
|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[August 8]], 2018
|coverdate=Late July, 2018
|written by=[[James Roberts]]
|art by=[[Brendan Cahill]]
|colors by=[[Joana Lafuente]]
|letters by=[[Tom B. Long]]
|editor=[[David Mariotte]]
|continuity=[[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW continuity]]
|chronology=[[IDW timeline|Current era]]
}}
'''As the wrath of the Functionist Council is unleashed upon the universe, our heroes reunite with Megatron and learn that among both their friends and their foes, not everyone is who they appear to be.'''

==Synopsis==
[[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rodimus]] believes [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] has returned to his evil ways and is staging an invasion, but Megatron is quick to explain that the fleet behind his ship, the ''[[Last Light (ship)|Last Light]]'', is ''not'' his! Everyone watches in horrified awe as the true enemy to whom this fleet belongs, the threat the [[Grand Architect]] has been preparing for, at last emerges from the portal the Architect has opened: the [[Functionist Universe]]'s [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] itself, transformed by the [[Functionist Council]] into a colossal robot mode cast in the image of [[Primus]]! Rodimus begrudgingly gives Megatron their location, and he prepares to come to their rescue.

[[Pharma (G1)|Pharma]], [[Tyrest (G1)|Tyrest]], and [[Flame (Marvel)|Flame]] watch as the faux-Primus seizes [[Mederi]] and tears it to shreds. Enormous as this threat is, Tyrest finds his attention divided between it and Pharma himself; this is Tyrest's first in-person meeting with the so-called "Grand Architect"... whose voice is different to that of the Pharma Tyrest used to know. The Architect, it turns out, is ''not'' Pharma—but someone else, wearing Pharma's body! Reminded by Flame that they have more pressing matters to deal with than the Architect's true identity, the trio turn their attention to launching an attack, deploying the [[Worldsweeper]]s, the [[Infinite]]s, and the [[Black Block Consortia]] to engage the Functionist fleet and keep "Primus" busy while the [[God Gun]] recharges to blast open a new portal they can force it back through. Unfortunately, before this can be accomplished, "Primus" turns on the Architect's duplicate Cybertrons and begins destroying them one after another. The loss of the God Gun panicks Tyrest... but the Architect remains strangely calm, his attention drawn to the video feed of his prisoners. Spotting [[Ratchet (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ratchet]] among them, he demands to see them immediately.

Deep within the Functionist Cybertron, the seven remaining members of the Functionist Council control the movements of "Primus" from [[Vector Sigma]]'s chamber, determined to eradicate the "graven images" that are the Architect's replicas of Cybertron. [[Three-of-Twelve]] observes that the portal has closed behind them, but [[Twelve-of-Twelve]] is unfazed by this; this new universe, he reasons, is a gift the true Primus has given unto the Council to purify. Before they move on from the replica Cybertrons to the rest of the universe, however, the Council is determined to finally exterminate Megatron...

Just as the Architect, Tyrest, Flame, and their guards enter the hangar deck where the ''[[Lost Light]]'' crew are being held, Megatron's ''Last Light'' begins firing on the ship, intending to provide an escape route by blowing out the wall. The Architect's troops open fire on the prisoners to stop their escape, badly wounding [[Drift (G1)|Drift]] just before the wall ruptures, and the crew start to be sucked out into space. Megatron pulls them to safety aboard his ship, but the Architect activates the hangar's vacuum shields and seals the breach before the entire crew is rescued. Rodimus, Ratchet, [[Rung (G1)|Rung]], [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]], and [[Nautica (G1)|Nautica]] remain in the Architect's clutches—and they are more than a little shocked to see that he appears to be Pharma, who they believed to be dead. The Architect begins his explanations by detailing how the [[space bridge]] Tyrest built on [[Moonbase One|Luna 1]] all those years ago did not lead to [[Cyberutopia]], as the Chief Justice thought—rather, it led into the ''Architect's mind.'' When [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] stepped through, only to quickly turn and leave, the Architect reached out after him and found Pharma's body, taking it for his own. Pharma's consciousness, however, still exists, long submerged under the Architect's, but now fighting to emerge due to the sight of Ratchet. As the Architect wrestles to keep Pharma's mind down, Ratchet invites him to tell them who he ''really'' is. The Architect agrees: he is [[Adaptus]]!

Aboard the ''Last Light'', Megatron welcomes the rest of the crew, but [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus]] is still wounded by Megatron's apparent betrayal. [[Velocity (G1)|Velocity]] and [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] try to tend to Drift's wounds, but it becomes apparent he has developed a [[zero point]]; Megatron kneels beside them, revealing that the "[[fusion cannon]]" on his arm is, in fact, a huge medical kit, which he uses to repair Drift. The group relocates to the bridge of the ''Last Light'', where Megatron fills them in on what happened following their departure from the Functionist Universe. With the loss of [[Moonbase Two|Luna 2]], the Functionist Council chose to use Cybertron itself to carry out their plan of exterminating all non-Cybertronian life in the universe, reformatting the planet with a robot mode to increase its maneuverability. Megatron harbors great guilt over all the worlds and peoples he and the [[Anti-Vocationist League]] have failed to save, but [[Clicker]] and [[Nine-of-Twelve]] try to remind him that for all the times they have failed, they have still managed to save ''billions'' of lives. Magnus and others are confused, given that this seems like a lot to have happened in the few short weeks that have passed since their trip to the Functionist Universe, but Megatron explains that both the Council and the League have made extensive use of the [[Warren]] to travel through space and time on their crusade, and that due to this, from his perspective, ''centuries'' have passed. With everyone caught up, discussion to turns to what to do about "Primus," with [[Grimlock (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Grimlock]] advocating that they just blow him up. The [[Magnificence]] suddenly pipes up to agree, once again highlighting the importance of Rodimus, Rung, Ratchet, and [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]], but Megatron refuses; they cannot blow "Primus" up, because "Primus" is still populated by the helpless citizenry of Cybertron!

Tyrest and Flame are just as incredulous as Rodimus and the others over the Architect's claim that he is a literal god, but Adaptus believes Rodimus and others are faking their lack of knowledge, given Nautica's previously-displayed ability to speak his language. Rodimus explains that the ''Lost Light''ers were just explorers looking for the [[Knights of Cybertron]]... a mission they failed. Adaptus disagrees; they might have failed to find the Knights, but they ''did'' find someone else much more important: the [[Guiding Hand]]. Unlike Adaptus, however, the other members of the Hand no longer have any memory of their true identities. Like [[Mortilus]], the god of death... or as the crew knew him, [[Censere|Censere, the Necrobot]]. Or [[Solomus]], god of wisdom—standing in the room with them under his new identity as Tyrest. Or [[Epistemus]], the god of knowledge—his body reduced to the Magnificence hanging around [[Nickel]]'s neck. Whirl gestures to the Functionist Cybertron outside, assuming it to be the fifth and final member of the Hand, Primus. Adaptus laughs; ''that's'' not Primus.

''Rung'' is.

==Featured characters==
Characters in ''italic text'' appear only in flashbacks. 
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*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus]] (1)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rodimus]] (2)
*[[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] (6)
*[[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] (8)
*[[Chromedome (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Chromedome]] (10)
*[[Riptide (G1)|Riptide]] (12)
*[[Grimlock (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Grimlock]] (15)
*[[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] (21)
*[[Brainstorm (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Brainstorm]] (35)
*[[Rung (G1)|Rung]]/[[Primus]] (36)
*[[Ratchet (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ratchet]] (37)
*[[Rewind (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rewind]] (38)
*[[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] (39)
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*[[Drift (G1)|Drift]] (40)
*[[Nautica (G1)|Nautica]] (41)
*[[Thunder Clash|Thunderclash]] (42)
*[[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] (43)
*[[Velocity (G1)|Velocity]] (47)
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*[[Krok (G1)|Krok]] (11)
*[[Scorponok (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Scorponok]]'s corpse (19)
*[[Nickel]] (22)
*[[Fulcrum]] (33)
*[[Spinister (G1)|Spinister]] (44)
*[[Crankcase (G1)|Crankcase]] (48)
*[[Misfire (G1)|Misfire]] (49)

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*[[Flame (Motorvator)|Flame]] (3)
*[[Lightspeed (Motorvator)|Lightspeed]] (4)
*[[Clicker]] (5)
*[[Nine-of-Twelve]] (7)
*[[Decibel]] (14)

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*[[Twelve-of-Twelve]] (24)
*[[Three-of-Twelve]] (25)
*[[One-of-Twelve]] (26)
*[[Two-of-Twelve]] (27)
*[[Eleven-of-Twelve]] (28)
*[[Six-of-Twelve]] (29)
*[[Five-of-Twelve]] (30)

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*[[Froid]] (9)
*[[Lug (IDW)|Lug]] (13)
*[[Tyrest (G1)|Tyrest]]/[[Solomus]] (16)
*[[Adaptus]]/[[Pharma (G1)|Pharma]] (17)
*[[Flame (Marvel)|Flame]] (18)
*Multiple [[Infinite]]s (20)
*[[Epistemus]]/[[Magnificence]] (23)
*[[Cyclonus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Cyclonus]] (31)
*[[Anode]] (32)
*[[Wipe-Out]] (34)
*[[Roller (IDW)|Roller]] (45)
*[[Sunder (G1)|Sunder]] (46)
*''[[Censere]]/[[Mortilus]]'' (50)
}}

==Quotes==
"'''Megatron?'''" 
"I never thought I'd say this, but... he's not that bad when you get to know him."
:—'''Grimlock''' and '''Rodimus'''

'''Megatron:''' "Krok! Spinister! Fulcrum! Crankcase! Misfire!" 
'''Fulcrum:''' "He knows our names...!" 
'''Spinister:''' "He knows our '''nicknames'''...!"

"Hello, Drift. I'm conscious that you and I haven't really spoken since I changed sides. In our defense, we've both been busy. When we first met—do you remember? All those years ago? When we first met, I said you'd make a good Decepticon. And you did... but you made a much better Autobot." 
"Thank you." 
"Thank '''you.''' For leading the way."
:—'''Megatron''' and '''Drift'''

"You've saved billions of lives, Megatron." 
"I could have saved more."
:—'''Nine-of-Twelve''' and '''Megatron'''

"Look, I'm glad everyone's on the '''same page'''... but it's the last page in a book called '''''We're All Going To Die.'''''" 
"What? That's not even clever. I love it."
:—'''Misfire''' and '''Swerve'''

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
*Twelve-of-Twelve's role in the Council is ''castigator'', so it's fitting that he's the one in charge of controlling galactic deathbringer-Primus over even Matrix-bearer Six.
*The Functionist Council list off Megatron's allies, who they have all killed: [[Terminus (G1)|Terminus]], [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Orion Pax]] (with whom Megatron established radio contact at the end of [[Dissolution Part 6: This Machine Kills Fascists|issue #6]]), Rung, and [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]] (with whom Megatron was friends in "our" universe before the war, as seen in [[Chaos Theory Part 1|''The Transformers'' vol. 1 #22]]).
*Unless [[mass displacement]] was involved in the transformation, "Primus" is much, much larger than any of the five ancient Cybertrons. We learned in [[Dissolution Part 4: Bad Moon Rising|issue #4]] that the Functionists had been planning to ''"enlarge and enhance Cybertron in honor of Primus"'' using [[Luna 2]] to harvest the necessary materials – losing it must not have set them back very far!
*In a bit of misdirection, last issue implied that Tyrest's space bridge from [[Remain in Light 5 of 5: This Calamitous Life|''More than Meets the Eye'' #21]] led into the future, and that Skids and Pharma had caught a glimpse of the events of this story. In reality, the bridge led into the Architect's mind, which means that what Skids saw was only the ''idea'' of the five Cybertrons, before the Architect had made them real, and that the orb of energy Skids encountered was the Architect's consciousness.
*The "[[zero point]]" condition was first introduced in the [[Zero Point|prose story that bore its name]].
*In his centuries away, Megatron has fulfilled his original ambition in life—to become a medic, as he revealed in [[The Becoming: Dark Cybertron Chapter 10|''More than Meets the Eye'' #27]].
*It's logical that the Functionist Universe would have its own version of the ''Lost Light'', since the ship was constructed five million years ago, before the two universe's timelines diverged. Megatron notes that the ship's quantum engines aren't on the same level as "our" universe's ''Lost Light''—which is because that version of the ship's was never upgraded by its time-travelling crew from the future like ours was, as seen in [[Elegant Chaos Part 3: Predestination: An Expert's Guide|''More than Meets the Eye'' #38]]. Consequently, the ship never left Cybertron, and retained its original name, the ''Unitrex-1,'' until Megatron renamed it.
*The Scavengers are ecstatic at Megatron knowing not only their names but their nicknames. As established in [[Kill All 'Cons|issue #15]], Misfire's real name is "Flyhigh", and, as described in ''More than Meets the Eye'' [[Some Of My Best Friends Are Autobots|#45]], Krok was the butt of [[Skullcruncher (G1)|Skullcruncher]]'s jokes for renaming himself after his dead pet.
*Chromedome notes that, in-universe, only a month at maximum has passed between ''Lost Light'' #6 and this issue. This means that ''Lost Light'' is actually ''massively'' behind the rest of the IDW universe; released the same week as this issue, [[Unstopped and Unstoppable|''Optimus Prime'' #22]] notes that its events take place "a few ''years''" after events roughly concurrent with the crew's [[The Dying of the Light|adventure on Necroworld]] and trip to Functionist Universe did. However, see "Errors", below.
*With the revelation that the Grand Architect is really Adaptus, "god of transformation," the infamous gear-like symbol that he has been using as his insignia takes on new meaning: it's shaped like a ''[[transformation cog]]!'' Its use by the Knights of Cybertron is explained as them "marching under Adaptus's banner."
*The other four symbols we saw back in [[An Axe to Break the Ice|issue #8]] are explained to each represent one of the other four members of the Guiding Hand; naturally, the symbol that [[Agonizer]] observed on the surface of the Magnificence in [[The Ties That Bind|issue #14]] turns out to be the symbol of Epistemus.

===Transformers references===
*Obscure characters among the ranks of the AVL include [[Flame (Motorvator)|Flame]] and [[Lightspeed (Motorvator)|Lightspeed]], two members of the European-exclusive [[Motorvator]] sub-group from 1991, and [[Decibel]], combined form of the 1987 Japanese-exclusive [[Autobot Mini-Cassette]]s [[Graphy]] and [[Noise]].
*Functionist Primus combines the IDW look for Primus with design elements from his old ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' [[Primus#Cybertron|toy]].
*Among the list of Megatron's fallen allies that the Functionist Council list off is a name not heard in the IDW universe before: [[Nightstalker (G1)|Nightstalker]], a Transformer from the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel UK comic]] who briefly worked with Megatron to defend [[Overlord (rank)|Autobot Overlord]] in the seminal story "[[State Games]]."
* The concept of Cybertron as a cosmos-conquering dreadnought goes way back to the Marvel comics; Megatron mentions it as his ultimate plan in [[The Transformers (issue)|the very first issue]] -- and now here he is fighting against it! The concept saw a bit more elaboration in the UK story "[[Legion of the Lost!]]".

===Real world references===
*This story takes its title from the {{w|The Return of the King|book of the same name}}, the third and final chapter of the ''{{w|The Lord of the Rings|Lord of the Rings}}'' trilogy.

===Errors===
*You won't see this error if you've got a physical copy of the issue! On page 13, panel 1, Whirl is drawn among the group rescued by Megatron, when he's supposed to be back on the Architect's Worldsweeper with Rodimus and the others, part of the smaller group who didn't manage to escape. This goof was caught before the issue went to print, but still made it into the initial digital release.<ref>[https://twitter.com/IDW_David_M/status/1027283055394746368 James Roberts (@jroberts332) and David Mariotte (@IDW_David_M) on Twitter, 2018/08/08]</ref>
*The idea that it's only been a month since "Dissolution" just... doesn't add up. [[The Dying of the Light: (1) How Bright Their Frail Deeds|''More than Meets the Eye'' #50]] established through a cameo from [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]] and [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] that the events of "The Dying of the Light" took place either parallel to or shortly before the "[[All Hail Optimus Part 1: Once Upon a Time on Earth|All Hail Optimus]]" arc of [[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|''The Transformers'']], and [[After Megatron (A Dissolution Epilogue)|''Lost Light'' #7]] claimed that "The Dying of the Light" and "Dissolution" took place across 7 days. So far, so good... except that this issue has to take place after ''[[Revolution]]'' and its [[Nothing Will Ever Be the Same Again!|''MTMTE'' tie-in]], which, as established by [[Concorde Hymn|''Revolution'' #1]] and ''{{i|Field Test|ROM: Revolution}}'', took place ''six months'' after "All Hail Optimus". (You could ''maybe'' no-prize it that, with all the universe-hopping and Warren travel, it's just been a week from the perspective of the Rod Squad and has been longer in real time, but that'd definitely be an after-the-fact justification.)
*In the latest example of a recurring error, the Necrobot's name, "Censere," is misspelled with an extra "r" as "Censerre." It's happened so often now we'd think that was the intended spelling, except they keep fixing the error for the trade paperbacks!

===Other trivia===
*Originally solicited for release in late July 2018, as the second of two issues of ''Lost Light'' that were supposed to be released that month, this issue arrived late, in the second week of August. However, it was released a week early on IDW's website by mistake, allowing a small number of purchases to be made before the error was spotted and the issue was taken down.
*The Guiding Hand has always occupied a deliberately ambiguous "maybe fact, maybe fiction" space in the IDW Transformers cosmology, to the point where apparent hard evidence for Mortilus's existence in ''[[The Illusion of Control|Monstrosity #10]]'' (where [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] is described as his "spawn") was subtly retconned in ''[[World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|More than Meets the Eye #28]]'' (where the term "spawn of Mortilus" is shown to be a common, colloquial idiom). ''[[The Crucible|Robots in Disguise #34]]'' blames [[information creep]] for why no living Cybertronian, as old as they can be, remembers whether the Guiding Hand truly existed. Even the "Guiding Hand" encountered in ''[[The Everlasting Voices (2): The God War|Lost Light #17]]'' ultimately proved to be nothing more than another facet of Mederi's simulated Afterspark. This issue's reveal that they really did exist – especially the fact that they're ''still around'' – is pretty big news, needless to say.

===Soundtrack===
TBC

===Covers (3)===
*'''Cover A:''' Chromedome wielding Rung in alternate mode, by [[Nick Roche]] and [[Josh Burcham]]
*'''Cover B:''' Rodimus versus Megatron, by [[Geoff Senior]] and [[Josh Burcham]]
*'''Retailer incentive cover:''' Roche's black and white lineart from Cover A
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==References==
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==External links==
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[[Category: Lost Light issues]]

Transformers: Armada Official Guidebook

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Bluestreak7: filled with content

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|seriesissue=''Transformers: Armada Official Guidebook''
|next=Transformers: Energon Official Guidebook
|image=Dk armofficialguidebook.jpg
|caption=
|publisher=[[Reader's Digest]]
|written by=[[Michael Teitelbaum]]
|date=[[August 13]], [[2003]]
|illustrated by=
|continuity=[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]
|pagecount=48
|ISBN=ISBN 0794402496 
ISBN 978-0794402495
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'''''Transformers: Armada Official Guidebook''''' is a basic profile book for the [[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Transformers: Armada]] series. It doesn't follow either the [[Transformers: Armada (cartoon)|cartoon]] or [[Transformers: Armada (Dreamwave)|comic]] continuities, but instead gives basic information similar to a [[Tech Spec]]. Profiles even include tech spec stats and quotes. All artwork is existing, either taken from the comics or the box art. Toy stock photography is also present.

==Profiles==
*[[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]]/Galvatron
*[[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]]
*[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]]
*[[Smokescreen (Armada)|Smokescreen]]
*[[Laserbeak (Armada)|Laserbeak]]
*[[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]]
*[[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]]
*[[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]]
*[[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]]
*[[Rad White|Rad]], [[Carlos Lopez|Carlos]], & [[Alexis Thi Dang|Alexis]]
*The [[Mini-Con|Mini-Cons]]
*[[Jolt (Armada)|Jolt]]
*[[Longarm (Armada)|Longarm]]
*[[Sparkplug (Armada)|Sparkplug]]
*[[Leader-1 (Armada)|Leader-1]]
*[[Swindle (Armada)|Swindle]]
*[[Crumplezone (Armada)|Crumplezone]]
*[[Street Action Mini-Con Team]]
*[[Air Defense Mini-Con Team (Armada)|Air Defense Mini-Con Team]]
*[[Perceptor (Armada)|Perceptor]]
*[[Star Saber (Armada)|Star Saber]]
*[[Land Military Mini-Con Team]]
*[[Adventure Mini-Con Team]]
*[[Race Mini-Con Team]]
*[[Street Speed Mini-Con Team]]
*[[Destruction Mini-Con Team]]
*[[Space Mini-Con Team]]
*[[Sideways (Armada)|Sideways]]

[[Category:Armada media|Official Guidebook]]
[[Category:Reference texts]]

Brainstorm (G1)

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:''Brainstorm is an [[Autobot]] [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] and one of the most <s>famous</s> notorious inventors from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:Brainstormg1.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|If a job's worth doing, it's worth OVERDOING!]]
'''Brainstorm''' (aka '''Genitus''' and '''Charon''') is a never-ending font of ideas. Whether he's in the middle of a battle or consciously working on another of his projects, new ideas are the background noise of his mind, sometimes to such an extent that his brain will overheat. In his zeal to see these ideas realized, Brainstorm sometimes forgets about things like "basic safety" and "proper experimental procedure". He will happily hand out new and untested inventions to less-than-responsible comrades for field-testing. His inventions range from useful biotechnology, to [[Metafictional bomb|outlandish anti-personnel weaponry]], to [[Time case|devices that harness the bizarre and unthinkable]].

Brainstorm is at least partly responsible for developing the [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] process. It's sometimes hard to tell how much of it was his doing and how much was his Headmaster partner [[Arcana]]'s, the two work together so seamlessly.

{{note|Brainstorm was quite different in Japan's [[Transformers: The Headmasters (cartoon)|''The Headmasters'' animated series]]. See below for details.}}

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics====
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[[File:Brainstormtrialbyfire.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|He's green, dammit! Green!]]
After [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] and his troops aboard the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] went missing, Brainstorm was one of several under the leadership of [[Fortress Maximus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Fortress Maximus]]. Their faction was mired in a seemingly endless war with a band of [[Decepticon]]s led by [[Scorponok (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Scorponok]], in a struggle so pointless and self-perpetuating that Fortress Maximus decided to leave [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] and its war and settle on the peaceful planet [[Nebulos]]. Brainstorm followed Fortress Maximus' lead, building the ''[[Steelhaven (G1)|Steelhaven]]'' and departing their war-torn home.

It would not be so easy. The [[Nebulan]]s were xenophobic towards the strange robots which invaded their world, and after several missteps in communication, Fortress Maximus, Brainstorm, and a handful of others surrendered their heads as hopeful proof of their benevolence and compliance. {{storylink|Ring of Hate!}}

[[File:Brainstormworldsapart.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Brainstorm would rather fight and die than live with the knowledge that he ran.]]
When the Decepticons arrived on Nebulos, Fortress Maximus and Brainstorm's heads convinced [[Galen]] to attempt the creation of hybrid warriors through a bio-mechanical engineering process. An experimental surgeon named [[Arcana]] constructed the necessary equipment based on the Autobots' theories and underwent the process himself along with several other Nebulans, [[binary bonding]] with Brainstorm. Together, the Autobots and their Nebulan partners were able to force the aggressors into a retreat, with Brainstorm and Arcana taking on Scorponok himself during the skirmish. {{storylink|Broken Glass!}} ''During his recollection of this battle, [[Stylor]] pointed out that Arcana and Brainstorm had been especially effective thanks to their amazing speed.'' {{storylink|Stylor's Story}}

''During an adventure that happened at some unspecified point that was logically impossible given the circumstances, Brainstorm and the other Autobot Headmasters fought the Decepticon [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] while the Autobot [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmasters]] were held captive by the Decepticons. Mindwipe hypnotized Brainstorm, causing him to crash into [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]], but the others were able to pick up the slack and overcome the enemy. Despite the victory coming a bit too easily, Brainstorm insisted they press on, as the Autobot Targetmasters were being held as Decepticon prisoners. The four attacked the Decepticons' [[Fortress of Despair]] where Brainstorm quickly located the captive Autobots, only to be ambushed by Scorponok and more of his lackeys. The Autobots learned that the Decepticons had thrown the earlier fight to lure them into Scorponok's trap; he was having trouble replicating the Headmaster process, and he planed to dissect them to work out its finer intricacies. Though overwhelmed at first, the Headmasters managed to free their brethren, bolstering their numbers. Because the Autobots learned to work together with their new Nebulan partners, they were able to send Scorponok fleeing.'' {{storylink|Worlds Apart!}}

The Decepticons continued to sow destruction across the globe, and next attacked the city-resort of [[Splendora]]. Brainstorm and Hardhead assisted the Technobots in defeating both the Terrorcons and Horrorcons there, though Splendora lay in ruins in the battle's aftermath. Following this pyrrhic victory, the Autobots came under heavy scrutiny from the Nebulan authorities. While Arcana and the others met with representatives from Nebulos's Council of Peers, they received a message alerting them that [[Zarak (G1)|Lord Zarak]] was among a group taken captive by the Decepticons. The Headmasters once more sped off to meet the Decepticons in battle and rescue their captives. Upon their arrival however, the Autobots realized that the "captives" had allied themselves with Scorponok, forming a new team of evil Headmasters! In the battle that ensued, Brainstorm was defeated by a shot to the chest. {{storylink|Love and Steel!}} The new Headmasters managed to drive off the Decepticons, but also inadvertently created a new "arms race", as the Decepticons later created Headmasters of their own, and both sides also implemented Targetmaster warriors as well. {{storylink|Brothers in Armor!!}}

''Fortress Maximus once made a vid-phone call to Brainstorm and Arcana's workshop, and the two eggheads managed to invent a new, smaller, and more efficient vid-phone between the conversation's beginning and its end. They later worked together to design a fuel convertor to get the Autobots to Earth aboard ''Steelhaven''. However, this device was stolen through Decepticon trickery.'' {{storylink|The Final Conflict}}

{{note|The events in this UK story differ in significant ways to the [[The Transformers: Headmasters|Headmasters]] mini-series.}}

Fearing things could only get worse for Nebulos, Fortress Maximus and Galen took the excuse of an intercepted distress signal from Earth to abandon Nebulos and prevent the war from causing any further harm to the planet. {{storylink|Brothers in Armor!!}}

On the way to Earth, Brainstorm and Chromedome worked together to re-engineer Fortress Maximus to be larger and stronger than ever before. Their leader now a veritable war machine, Brainstorm put Galen through the paces of testing out his new form. Then, he and Arcana managed to triangulate the Autobot signal to [[Mount St. Hilary]]. Meeting up with [[Bumblebee (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Goldbug]] there (who's mind had been transplanted into a [[Toy Soldiers!|toy car]]) and learning from him that his human friend had been captured by the Decepticons, Brainstorm suggested they rescue the "Earthen." But Maximus was eager to instead continue seeking out their fellow Autobots. [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]], the aforementioned human's older brother, emerged from a hiding spot, and implored the Autobots to help in finding his [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|younger sibling]]. Despite refusing him outright at first, Maximus fought to defend the boy from the Decepticons when they too arrived on Earth. This led to the death of Galen, and Spike taking over as controller of Fortress Maximus. {{storylink|Trial by Fire!}}

As the ''Steelhaven'' orbited the Earth, Brainstorm was kept busy building [[Bumblebee (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Goldbug]] a new body and repairing the injured Fortress Maximus. Goldbug was completed first, and so Brainstorm advised him to head out into the field when the Autobots intercepted a call made on behalf of "Optimus Prime," the legendary Autobot leader long-thought dead. Goldbug reported more than just making contact with Optimus: he also beamed back data from the Decepticons' genetics lab, detailing how to create [[Pretender]] warriors. Brainstorm enlisted six volunteers to undergo the process, and with them created the Autobot Pretenders. {{storylink|Pretender to the Throne!}} Unfortunately, Brainstorm's projects used up most of the group's available resources and prevented the proper recreation of Optimus Prime. The project proceeded despite Brainstorm's accurate warnings of failure. Afterwards, Maximus's crew made contact with another team of Autobots, under the leadership of [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]. The latter proved to be overtly hostile and eager to defend his position as supreme leader of the Autobots. Brainstorm was forced to watch as the cruel [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] took [[Bumblebee (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Goldbug]] prisoner, seeing as the little 'bot was considered a fugitive from his forces. But a challenger soon arose to contest Grimlock's position, and Brainstorm was audience to Blaster battling the Dinobot on the surface of the Earth's moon. The proceedings were interrupted by a Decepticon attack, which convinced the two duelists to momentarily put their differences aside to lead the troops together, allowing the Autobots to send [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]]'s forces into a retreat. {{storylink|Totaled!}}

[[File:Tastybrainstorm.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Can Unicron detect how much cinnamon is packed into every bite of Brainstorm?]]
''Brainstorm was displaced to [[Limbo]] along with a handful of other Autobots when [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Rodimus Prime]] traveled to the past with a group of Autobots of his own.'' {{storylink|Time Wars}} Later, he was one of the victims of a rogue Autobot [[Guardian (Marvel)|Mark V Guardian droid]], which resulted in him being thrown from the Ark and landing at the feet of Optimus Prime. Brainstorm's flaming body helped contribute to the Autobot leader regaining his desire to fight. {{storylink|Yesterday's Heroes!}}

Brainstorm was killed when [[Unicron]] ravaged Cybertron in [[1991]]. Even Brainstorm's vast intellect failed him when confronted with the devil himself, so he simply screamed and shot desperately until Unicron scooped him up and ate him. By Unicron's own admission, Brainstorm was quite tasty. {{storylink|On the Edge of Extinction!}}
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====''Regeneration One''====
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[[File:Brainstorm project lazarus loose ends.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|"I've been asleep ''how long''?! Why did I even invent the alarm clock if no one's going to ''freaking set it''?!]]
Twenty-one years after the death of Arcana and destruction of Brainstorm's original body, Nebulos had signed an [[Interplanetary Trade Treaty]] with Cybertron, which included [[Project Lazarus]]—a project to build new bodies for the original heads of the now-deceased Headmasters. Grimlock reviewed transmissions in which Senior Scientist [[Borx]] explained that the initial attempts had led to extreme pain and complete rejection of the new bodies, including footage of a disastrous attempt at integrating Brainstorm's head with a new body, until data from Zarak's old files improved the process. {{storylink|Loose Ends, Part 2}}

[[File:Autobot headmasters natural selecton.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|"They took off my faceplate and painted me blue."]]
However, this "unauthorised" decryption awakened the original head of Scorponok. Aided by knowledge gleamed from his binary bond with the deceased Zarak, he was able to enslave the Nebulans, complete Project Lazarus, and have them build a "mint replica of [his] original body". {{storylink|Natural Selection, Part One}} With the aid of Grimlock's [[Nucleon (substance)|Nucleon]]-soaked [[CNA]], who he had captured while seeking a new body for himself and the other Nucleon victims, he completed another project—to create a "[[Gene Key]]" which could mute the consciences of Autobots, turning them into "Decepticons". The rebuilt Brainstorm—whose faceplate had apparently been forcibly removed, leaving a discolored lower face—was one of the three subjects he demonstrated this on, along with [[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]] and [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]], and as soon as they were freed, they proceeded to attack Grimlock for wearing an Autobot symbol. After Brainstorm had been chucked around a bit by Grimlock, Scorponok stopped them, as Grimlock was now working for him under blackmail anyway. They proceeded to travel to Cybertron to begin converting the populace into Decepticons. As soon as they landed at [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]'s [[Civil Defense Hub]], the twisted Autobots shot the shocked [[Slapdash (G1)|Slapdash]] in the face. Leaving him for dead, they then marched in and began killing [[Cybertronian Civil Defense|Civil Defense Force]] members until the coast was clear for Scorponok. {{storylink|Natural Selection, Part Two}}

[[File:Autobot headmasters destiny.jpg|thumb|upright=1.8]]
Later, he stormed through Iacon, turning Autobots with the Gene Key, blindsiding [[Overdrive]] amongst others. As the [[Omnibot (G1)|Omnibot]] roared away, eager to cause chaos, Brainstorm turned on Grimlock, who had been wandering the city searching for the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], telling him that Scorponok had ordered him back to the Civil Defense Hub and escorting him there. Scorponok sought to assure himself of the Dinobot's loyaly, and so ordered Grimlock to execute [[Punch (G1)|Punch]], who was immune to the key's effect, while the others looked on. Ultimately, Grimlock found himself unable to go through with the deed. {{storylink|Natural Selection, Part Three}} Grimlock escaped, but was soon found again, now accompanied by the other Dinobots at the Nursery. Brainstorm, [[Darkwing (G1)|Darkwing]], and [[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] readied to execute them, but on their arrival, Grimlock shot open the containment capsule holding [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]]. With his temperature spiking to dangerous levels, owing to his Nucleon exposure, Inferno begged them to get clear to no avail—as Grimlock intended, the resulting blast incapacitated Brainstorm and the two Decepticons. {{storylink|Natural Selection, Part Four}}

Ultimately, [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] corrupted Scorponok's "master" Gene Key, intended to convert holdouts across the whole planet, and all the affected were converted back into "Autobots", including Brainstorm. {{storylink|Natural Selection, Part Five}} Though they wouldn't have been held accountable for their actions while altered by the Gene Key, the three former Headmasters turned themselves in to be tried as war criminals, unable to live with the thought of what they were capable of. {{storylink|Destiny, Part One}} Despite this, Brainstorm and the others stepped forward to defend Cybertron when Bludgeon and the Warworld attacked. {{storylink|Destiny, Part Four}}

Brainstorm later took part in the assault on Jhiaxus's [[Hub (G2)|Hub Network]] but was then captured and held at the [[Corral]], and later executed along with [[Joyride (G1)|Joyride]], [[Sky High (Pretender)|Sky High]], and [[Crosshairs (G1)|Crosshairs]] when Rodimus couldn't call off the Wreckers. {{storylink|The War to End All Wars, Part 4}}
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===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Michael Bell]] (English), [[Hiroshi Naka]] (Japanese)}}
[[File:Brainstormspike.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|"Okay, we'll become Headmasters, but you gotta take the old man."]]Brainstorm was first seen on Cybertron, touting his new theory that an integration of human and Autobot would dramatically enhance their fighting abilities. Most of the other Autobots, though, thought he was a crackpot. Things turned around when he and a group of Autobots met a band of freedom fighters while stranded on the planet Nebulos. With several comrades kidnapped and the safety of the <s>MacGuffin</s> [[Key to the Plasma Energy Chamber|key]] to the [[Plasma Energy Chamber]] in jeopardy, the Autobots arranged to bond with the Nebulan soldiers. Their heads were reconstructed to accommodate Nebulan passengers and then "transform" around their partners as personal battle armor. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 1}}

[[File:Brainstormrebirthvehicle.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Uh, Arcana, he has a cockpit.]]
With the help of their partners, the Autobot Headmasters freed their comrades and drove off the Decepticons. Unfortunately, their foes then joined forces with the freedom fighters' enemies, a group of evil machinesmiths called the [[Hive (G1)|Hive]]. Along with recreating the same Headmaster process performed by the Autobots, they also created a new form of binary bonding called Targetmasters. The revitalized Decepticons returned and engaged the Autobots in battle anew, resulting in an enraged Brainstorm declaring his intent to sue them for stealing his idea. [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]] detected the key on Brainstorm and managed to disarm him. Several Hive agents then swarmed Brainstorm and removed the key from him, but he was able to run a full spectrum exo-scan on [[Nightstick (G1)|Nightstick]], one of the Targetmaster partners, before they got away. With that information, Brainstorm was able to recreate the Targetmaster process for the Autobots. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 2}}

Returning to Cybertron in pursuit of the key and the new Decepticon city-base, Scorponok, Brainstorm and the others joined forces with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]], and their partners were instrumental in reversing the chamber's power to usher in a new [[Golden Age]] for Cybertron. In the aftermath, Brainstorm and the Headmasters returned to Nebulos to clear out the Hive's machines and restore the planet to peace and prosperity. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 3}}

====''Wings Universe''====
{{Wingsnote}}
[[File:FlashForward3-Headmasters.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.1|Brainstorm has a crippling fear of cows.]]
Following [[Hi-Q]]'s kidnapping, Brainstorm turned out with Highbrow, [[Crosshairs (G1)|Crosshairs]], and Chromedome to brief [[Pyro (G1)|Pyro]]'s team. {{storylink|A Flash Forward, Part 3}}
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===Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
{{note|In Japan, "Brainstorm" is the name for the combined small head-robot and [[transtector]] body. When separated from the large, lifeless robot body, the head unit is called '''Cana'''.}}

====''The Headmasters'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Ryōichi Tanaka]] (Japanese)|[[John Culkin]] (English, Omni Productions dub)}}
[[File:Headmasters tf stuck.jpg|thumb|230px]]
Four million years ago, Brainstorm was one of a number of [[Cyberdroid|small Cybertronians]] who left [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] in search of a new home. {{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}} they ended up crashlanding on [[Master (planet)|Master]], an inhospitable world with harsh weather conditions and a hostile environment, forcing them to rapidly advance in technology to survive. Brainstorm was among those to become a Headmaster, mastering the art of [[transformation|transforming]] so he could take control of a [[Transtector]]. {{storylink|The Four-Million-Year-Old Veil of Mystery}} Unfortunately once they'd succeeded, a number of the Headmasters broke away from [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress]]'s leadership under the command of [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]. {{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}}

[[File:HM3 Brainstorm.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|"What do you mean 'shouldn't you have a mouthplate?'?"]]
In the year 2011, when Galvatron launched his latest attack on Cybertron with the added power of his new Decepticon Headmasters, Brainstorm and his fellow Autobot Headmasters travelled to the planet to help their comrades defend their homeworld. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}} On arrival, they set about fighting the Decepticons. Brainstorm and Chromedome were able to overcome [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]], despite the Decepticon's powers of hypnotism. Following the battle's conclusion, they traveled to [[Athenia]] on board Battleship Maximus to join the Autobot forces there. Though they volunteered to accompany [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] to [[Earth]] to help search for the [[Matrix of Leadership]], he insisted on sidelining them. {{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}} After [[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blaster]]'s death, the Headmasters joined Hot Rod anyway and helped him search. When the came under attack from [[Abominus (G1)|Abominus]], they were able to hold the Decepticon off long enough for Hot Rod to dig up the Matrix. They accompanied him back to Cybertron, where Hot Rod once more became Rodimus Prime, but they failed to stabilize [[Vector Sigma]], and [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] was forced to do it himself by sacrificing his life. {{storylink|Birth of the Fantastic Double Prime}}

When the Decepticons created the [[Madmachine]], the four Headmasters were ready to storm over to [[Chaar]] and destroy it, but Rodimus intended instead to send the [[Autobot Mini-Cassette|Cassettes]]. When the Cassettes refused the mission, Brainstorm blocked their way, wanting to know what their problem was. Daniel pointed out they were still upset about Blaster's death, however Fortress resurrected Blaster as Twincast. While Twincast went to Earth, the Headmasters were sent to Cybertron and helped [[Throttlebot]]s to destroy the Madmachine. {{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}} While on patrol in Battleship Maximus, the Headmasters encountered two [[Beastformer]]s, leading them to travel to planet [[Beast (planet)|Beast]] to thwart a Decepticon invasion. {{Storylink|Rebellion on Planet Beast}} After failing to destroy a [[Metamorphose|strange meteor]], they aided the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobot]]s in a fight against Decepticons. Partway though, they were called back to Athenia so they could accompany Daniel on a mission to destroy the meteor, and Brainstorm and his fellows kept [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]]'s men busy while Daniel completed said mission. {{Storylink|Approach of the Demon Meteorite}}

[[File:HM8 Highbrow and Brainstorm sitting around.jpg|thumb|280px|"Brainstorm, it's okay. The cow can't hurt you." "No! Keep that thing away from me!"]]
The Headmasters were sent to [[Praum]] to investigate reports of a Decepticon attack. On arrival, they found the base had been devastated and the occupants apparently destroyed, moving Brainstorm to make the sign of the cross. It turned out to be a trap set by Scorponok, but the five Headmasters remembered their struggles back on Master and swapped Transtectors in order to escape. Brainstorm made great use of [[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]]'s Transtector during the ensuing battle against the Decepticons. {{storylink|The Four-Million-Year-Old Veil of Mystery}} While investigating a mysterious blackmailer, the Headmasters checked out the [[Statue of Liberty]]. They arrived in [[London]] with [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], only to find the Decepticons had leveled the place. They similarly arrived back in [[New York City|New York]] too late, though Brainstorm spotted [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]]. They later aided the [[Trainbot]]s in catching up with and defeating [[Sixshot]], whom they'd encountered before on Master. {{storylink|Terror! The Six Shadows}}

The Headmasters continued to train, Brainstorm by lifting weights. When Decepticons were reported to be heading for Earth, he opted to remain on Athenia, and later traveled to Cybertron with Fortress when the Decepticons mounted an all-out attack on the planet. {{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 1}} When the Decepticon Headmasters split mid-battle, Brainstorm figured they were up to something, and they eventually discovered the Decepticons were heading for Vector Sigma and gave pursuit. Unfortunately they failed to stop the Decepticons destroying Cybertron. {{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 2}}

[[File:HM12 Brainstorm vehicle mode.jpg|left|thumb|230px]]
During the launch of the [[Sol 1]] satellite, the Headmasters defended [[Sol System Center|the launch pad]]. Brainstorm took to the air to try and chase off Cyclonus and Scourge. They succeeded in launching the satellite, but when the Decepticons made another play for it, Sixshot kept the Autobot Headmasters busy. Brainstorm was ready to charge over to Chaar to get Sol 1 back, but Fortress had a better idea where it was. The Headmasters found the satellite near [[Zarak (planet)|Zarak]], but were forced to destroy it to keep it out of Decepticon hands. {{storylink|The Shadow Emperor, Scorponok}}

The Headmasters went to Earth to assist when a Peruvian volcano erupted. While fighting [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]] and the Decepticon Headmasters, Brainstorm used his whirlwind attack to draw hot ash from an ash cloud and blast the Decepticons with it. He also assisted during the evacuation of the village of [[Pan]] by rescuing [[Pipiro]]'s donkey, [[Koro]]. {{storylink|The Dormant Volcano Mysteriously Erupts}} When they attacked a [[buridanka]] plant on Earth, Brainstorm boldly threw himself into one of the plant's mouths. The rest of the fight didn't go much better, and the Headmasters found themselves in danger of termination until Fortress broke out the [[Master Sword]] and cut the thing to shreds. {{storylink|Head On!! Fortress Maximus}}

When reports came in of the Decepticons being up to something on [[Mars (planet)|Mars]], Brainstorm and the other Headmasters traveled there in [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]]. After tangling with Predaking they rescued Daniel and found out that the Decepticons were planning to blow the entire planet up. Interrogating the Decepticons led them to a crater which naturally turned out to be a trap. {{storylink|Explosion on Mars!! Maximus Is in Danger}} Both Brainstorm and Highbrow were injured enough that they had to undergo extensive repairs. They finally returned to the fight to save Mars in time to witness MegaZarak's arrival, and Brainstorm's jet mode was swatted out of the air by the titan. As Mars exploded, the four Headmasters joined Fortress aboard Maximus, and they were able to escape the planet thanks to the explosions recharging Maximus' power. {{storylink|Explosion on Mars!! MegaZarak Appears}}

[[File:HM17 Brainstorm works on transtector.jpg|thumb|240px|"Hey, listen up down there. That thing is called a 'cockpit'. Not a bathroom."]]
Brainstorm offered the opinion that a UFO Daniel saw might be aliens. He and the other Headmasters patrolled space near Chaar and came under attack from MegaZarak, but escaped thanks to another appearance by the mystery UFO. It wasn't until the Autobots gatecrashed Scorponok's coronation ceremony that the UFO was revealed to be the returned Galvatron, and they had to retreat. {{storylink|Return of the Immortal Emperor}} After an SOS was received from [[Sandra (planet)|Sandra]], the Headmasters prepared to take a shipment of energy to that world. The Decepticons set out to stop them, but Brainstorm and Highbrow kept them busy while Chromedome and Hardhead sneaked ahead with the energy. The Autobots arrived on Sandra in time to fight off the incoming Decepticons. {{storylink|SOS from Planet Sandra}}

As part of [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]]'s plan to negotiate with the Decepticon, the four Headmasters accompanied him to [[Shangri-La Island]] on Earth as an escort. When the Galvatron who met with Spike turned out to be an impostor, Brainstorm and the others rescued [[Carly]] and Daniel before attacking the Decepticons. During the escape, Sixshot destroyed the [[space bridge]] network, and the Autobots set out in pursuit in Battleship Maximus. {{storylink|Daniel Faces His Biggest Crisis Ever!!}} When the Decepticons invaded [[Hive (planet)|Hive]], the Autobots attempted to go help, but were stopped by the Hive ships which opened fire on Maximus. Even Chromedome, Hardhead and Brainstorm going out to try to reason with them failed, and the trio returned to the ship. {{storylink|Fight to the Death on Planet Hive!!}}

[[File:HM20 Brainstorm closeup.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|"Black Mesa can eat my bankrupt-"]]
As Maximus neared the [[Twin Star]] system, Brainstorm got the other riled up by claiming battle was about brain over brawn. He volunteered to accompany Daniel, [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] and [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] to the planet of Toruin while the others fought the Decepticons on Spherity. The four of them weren't on the barren planet for long before they stumbled on an underground city—the inhabitants of Spherity were using the planet as a refuge. Brainstorm returned to the battle on Spherity, using a head swap technique with the other Headmasters so he could reach Fortress and deliver the news that Spherity was an empty world. He later apologized to the other Headmasters for his earlier comments about warfare. {{storylink|Battle for Defense of the False Planet}}

An SOS led the Headmasters to the planet [[Daros]] where they fought the Decepticons again and overthrew the corrupt government. {{storylink|Find MegaZarak's Weak Spot!!}} Brainstorm noticed that Battleship Maximus' weapons systems were malfunctioning and had Chromedome and Hardhead go to fix them. When Highbrow was captured by the Decepticons on the planet of [[Paradise]], the three other Headmasters were forced to go rescue him. {{storylink|Head Formation of Friendship}}

[[File:HM26 Brainstorm shocked.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|"There was ''cow meat'' in [[BBQ Double Stackticon|that burger]]? Oh god, I've been contaminated! SOMEBODY GET ME SOAP! I HAVE TO CLEANSE MYSELF!"]]
Brainstorm was keen to take the fight to the Decepticons before their foe could return to Chaar. The Headmasters took part in a battle on the [[Pirate Planet]], though there turned out to be no energy there. {{storylink|Mystery of the Space Pirate Ship}} As the Decepticons returned to Chaar, the Autobot Headmasters returned to Athenia. They traveled to Earth to try to stem a Decepticon attack, but were too late to prevent [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]]'s death at the hands of Sixshot. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus Dies!!}}

The Decepticons began striking at points across the Earth, but the Headmasters followed Galvatron to [[Alaska]], where they were able to use information passed on by Punch to defeat Galvatron, trapping him beneath the ice. {{storylink|The Emperor of Destruction Vanishes on an Iceberg}} New information pointed to the Decepticons trying to destroy Earth altogether. As Chromedome had become consumed with guilt over endangering Spike, Brainstorm was put in temporary charge of the Headmasters and sent to the [[Kamchatka Peninsula]] with Hardhead and Highbrow. They didn't fare well against the Decepticons there until Chromedome successfully completed Highbrow's research and arrived with the knowledge of MegaZarak's weak spot. {{storylink|I Risk My Life for Earth}}

[[File:HM29 Brainstorm transform dash!.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|Sure, he thinks it's funny to use the ejector seat on Arcana ''now'', but he'll regret it when he tries to transform and realizes he has no head.]]
With Earth largely abandoned by the Decepticons, the Autobot Headmasters set about finding the bombs they'd planted. Brainstorm and Highbrow retrieved a bomb from a mine and returned it to Battleship Maximus. During the disposal of the bombs in space, an accident created the [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmasters]] from a group of refugees from Master and some Autobots and Decepticons. {{storylink|Miraculous Warriors, Targetmasters (Part 1)}} Brainstorm and Highbrow carried [[Pointblank]] back to the ship, though the newcomer dismissed their combat skills. Warned by the refugees, the Headmasters returned to their home world and fought the Decepticons. {{Storylink|Miraculous Warriors, Targetmasters (Part 2)}}

After the Decepticons ransomed Wheelie for information on the Master Sword, Brainstorm and the other Autobots were unsuccessful in keeping said information out of the Decepticons' hands, even after Wheelie was rescued. {{storylink|The Master Sword Is in Danger!!}} The Headmasters worked on finding Scorponok by searching for unique energy wavelengths and even found the cavern where he was constructing the [[Zarak Shield]], but were too late to prevent its completion. {{storylink|The Zarak Shield Turns the Tide}} Brainstorm went along with Chromedome's plan to rally the residents of Master against the Decepticons, but it went horribly wrong when Scorponok popped up in the middle of the city and defeated Fortress Maximus in combat. {{storylink|Operation: Destroy the Decepticons}}

The Headmasters traced Daniel to planet [[Daira]] after he became separated from the ship, and were surprised to find he'd been looked after by Sixshot. {{storylink|My Friend Sixshot!}} When Sixshot challenged Chromedome to a duel and the other Headmasters failed to talk their friend out of it, Brainstorm offered to be Chromedome's second and got a punch in the mouth for his troubles. They were reluctant to let him go alone, but when it turned out the whole thing was a diversion while the other Decepticons headed for Earth, they had no choice but to let him go it alone. {{storylink|Duel on the Asteroid}}

The Autobots hurried back to Earth, where the Decepticons were busy erecting [[Death Tower]]s. When they learned that Spike and Carly's plane had crashed in the [[Andes Mountains|Andes]], the four Headmasters went there with Daniel and Wheelie to rescue them. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 1)}} On their way to [[Egypt]] to deal with another Death Tower, the four Headmasters had to contend with Mindwipe, Skullcruncher and Weirdwolf, though the trio didn't present much of a threat in the end. After failing to stop the Death Tower from rising, the Autobots' entire army went to the [[Arctic|North Pole]] where they faced the Decepticons in a final battle to save Earth. As Fortress Maximus was caught in the energies preparing to tear the planet apart, Brainstorm and the other three Headmasters attempted a Head Formation to give him more power. It was only when the other Autobots joined in that they succeeded, and the Decepticons' satellite was destroyed. With the Decepticons having fled into space, the Autobots left Earth to pursue them. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 2)}}

====''The Great Transformer War''====
Before the Headmasters joined the greater Transformer war, Brainstorm, as part of the [[Headmasters of Justice]], hunted down the [[Headmasters of Evil]] on a barren planet. Their ensuing battle was interrupted when [[Sixshot]] arrived to retrieve the Headmasters of Evil, as Galvatron had need of them. As they left, Fortress met up with the four Autobot Headmasters and they all boarded Battleship Maximus to pursue the Decepticons to Cybertron. {{Storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 3|The Great Transformer War #3}}

====''The Headmasters'' manga====
On [[Athenia]], Brainstorm attended the unveiling of the [[Optimus Prime memorial]] statue. He and the other Headmasters of Justice also waylaid a Decepticon bombing attack on the planet. {{storylink|The Headmasters issue 1|The Headmasters #1}}

Venturing to [[Beast (planet)|Beast]], Brainstorm and the Headmasters of Justice investigated an SOS from their allies. On aerial recon, Brainstorm and Highbrow found [[Alligatron]] and Predaking attacking innocent Beasts. The Headmasters heroically bought time for the Beasts to flee, but were captured by the Decepticons. Luckily, Hardhead and Chromedome found reinforcements in [[Kane]] and the Autobot Beastformers. They provided a needed distraction for Highbrow and Brainstorm to break free from their captors. Through quick thinking and teamwork, the Headmasters, [[Trainbot]]s, and Beastformers successfully drove the Decepticon forces off of Beest and back to Chaar. {{storylink|Great Decisive Battle of Planet Beast!}}

Brainstorm and the Headmasters next traveled to an Alaskan energy refinery, where the Headmasters of Evil managed to temporarily get the drop on them, separating the Masters from their [[Transtector]]s. Through quick thinking and teamwork, the Autobot Headmasters reunited with their Transtectors and defeated the enemy. {{storylink|The Headmasters issue 2|The Headmasters #2}}

The Trainbots joined Brainstorm and the Headmasters on an undersea mission where they found [[Rippersnapper (G1)|Rippersnapper]], [[Skullcruncher (G1)|Skullcruncher]] and the [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticon]]s stealing(?) energy from subaquatic vents. They also found a giant robot squid lying in wait. Through quick thinking and teamwork, the Headmasters and Trainbots dismantled the squid and stopped the Decepticons' scheme. {{storylink|The Headmasters issue 3|The Headmasters #3}}

In a battle with [[Sixshot]], Brainstorm and the Headmasters of Justice failed to prevent the Six Clan ninja from stealing food rations. And kidnapping [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel]]. By accident. Way to go, guys. {{storylink|The Headmasters issue 4|The Headmasters #4}}

During the Christmas season, Brainstorm and his friends entertained the patients at a children's hospital until the Decepticons arrived. Through quick thinking and teamwork...aw, you get the picture. {{storylink|The Headmasters issue 6|The Headmasters #6}}

On Earth, Brainstorm and the crew of the Battleship Maximus helped put out a fire so that [[Ricochet (Headmasters)|Ricochet]] and [[Artfire]] could concentrate on battling the Decepticons. {{storylink|The Headmasters issue 7|The Headmasters #7}}
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====''Super-God Masterforce'' cartoon continuity====
=====''Super-God Masterforce'' cartoon=====
Archive footage of a battle in space involving Brainstorm was used to educate the future [[Headmaster Junior]]s about the [[Master Wars]]. {{storylink|Birth! Headmaster Jrs}}

=====''Unite Warriors''=====
Brainstorm and his comrades' involvement in Galvatron's defeat and icy entombment was recounted. {{storylink|Grand Galvatron Chapter}}

=====''Transformers Legends'' comic=====
[[File:LegendsManga BonusEdition9 BrainstormAndRattle.jpg|right|thumb|]]

In one of [[Rattrap (BW)#Transformers Legends comic|Rattrap]]'s dreams wrought about by his size complex, he was sent into another dimension and met Cana, Brainstorm's head stage, who yelled at him to never feel bad about his small stature. He told the [[Maximal]] that anyone can grow bigger and stronger with practice, using his [[transtector]] as an example, then combined with it into Brainstorm and shared the story of how he and his compatriots ended up on [[Master (planet)|Master]]. His point was that despite their size and deadliness of the planet, they didn't just lay down and die, but fought back and became stronger—strong enough that Brainstorm could even defeat [[Scorponok (G1)|MegaZarak]]. When Rattrap woke up, Brainstorm's final words to keep training and never give up inspired him to go jogging. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 9|Bonus Edition Vol. 9}}

[[File:LegendsManga BonusEdition39 BrainstormAndRattle.jpg|left|thumb|]]

Brainstorm was asked by Rattrap why he looked different from the old days, and he confirmed he'd trained hard and acquired a new version of his transtector. This bothered [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]], who found it unfair that out of all the [[Headmasters of Justice]] only ''he'' got an upgrade. Cana later woke up with his Transtector missing, only to find Rattrap had stolen it and was smugly claiming he too "trained hard" to get a bigger body. When Rattrap refused to return it, telling the Headmaster to just get a new one, an angry Cana combined with the body anyway, causing its flip-down [[Tech Spec]] to trap the rat. {{storylink|Transformers 2015 Brainstorm Chapter|Brainstorm Chapter}}

Puzzled over how Rattrap's presence had powered him up enough to take out MegaZarak alone, Brainstorm began researching the phenomenon at the transtector factory in [[G Nebula 89]], which led to the development of [[Getmaster]] technology. While putting the finishing touches on a third new body for himself that was both a Headmaster and Getmaster, he was again visited by Rattrap through his dreams and shared with him the good news. When [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]] attacked the factory, Brainstorm invited Rattrap to power him up like last time, and just like before the rat's [[Chōkon Power|Beast Power]] granted him the strength to defeat their foe. Brainstorm then traveled to the Legends Universe, where he was happily reunited with Rattrap and joined the [[Axalon Trading Company|Autobot Axalon Trading Company]]. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 39|Bonus Edition Vol. 39}}

One day, Brainstorm, Chromedome and Hardhead were attacked by three look-a-likes of themselves who locked them in their transtectors, explaining that they were battling [[Zarak (G1)|Zarak]] and needed robotic bodies to form heads for. The Headmasters agreed to help by controlling the transtectors from their cockpits, and Brainstorm let his counterpart [[Arcana]] form its head during the battle with Zarak. {{storylink|LGEX Headmaster Set Chapter}} He later helped with the construction of a new [[Godbomber]]. {{Storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 42|Bonus Edition Vol. 42}} When [[Scourge (RID)|Black Convoy]] and the [[Dimensional Patrol]] locked down everyone's transtectors, the Autobots resisted and took down some of his [[Black Convoy Mass Production Type Drone|drones]], which they then modified transtectors so they could fight back. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. EX (Black Convoy 2)|Bonus Edition Vol. EX}} During [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]'s attack on the city, Brainstorm and the other Headmasters attacked the Decepticon Headmasters who had rebuilt him, but were defeated by Trypticon himself. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 43|Bonus Edition Vol. 43}}

====''Super-God Masterforce'' manga====
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When [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] and [[Metalhawk (Masterforce)|Metalhawk]] were about to be defeated while defending the [[Godbomber|Bomber Project]] from [[Jin (Masterforce)|Jin]], [[Mirai]], and [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]], Brainstorm and the other Autobot Headmasters showed up with the Godcannon in tow. Using the cannon, they were able to defeat their opponents. {{Storylink|Headmasters VS Masterforce}}

===Swamp of the Scorpion===
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Highbrow and Brainstorm once battled Cyclonus, using an [[electronic circuit jammer]] to prevent the Decepticon from taking flight.

Brainstorm was supposed to help Highbrow investigate Decepticon activity on the planet Nebulos. Before their mission was fully underway, however, his power-lines begun to over-heat. Brainstorm and Gort stopped at a nearby city to get repaired while Highbrow carried on with the mission. {{storylink|Swamp of the Scorpion}}
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===Ladybird Books continuity===
{{voiceactor|[[Peter Marinker]] (English)}}
As the Decepticons built an energy interceptor at Nebulos's north pole, the Autobots learned their device risked wiping out the entire planet. After destroying the first energy interceptor, the Autobots were nonplussed to learn the Decepticons built a second, more heavily guarded interceptor in its place. Thinking creatively, Brainstorm worked with the Autobot Targetmasters to turn the Decepticon fortress Scorponok's strength against it. During a sabotage raid, the Targetmasters used thermal lasers to melt the ice underneath Scorponok and the interceptor installation, causing them to fall helplessly into the slush. {{storylink|Decepticons at the Pole}}

[[File:Brainstorm-ASO.jpg|thumb|upright=1.0|Green Needle]]
When the Autobots located a vast reservoir of oil on the planet, Brainstorm spearheaded the effort to create a major pipeline to pump the oil back to Autobot base. {{storylink|Autobots Strike Oil}}

Brainstorm later assisted Optimus Prime in charting a planet-wide search for Decepticon activity on Nebulos. {{storylink|Decepticons Underground}}
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===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
{{main|Brainstorm (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity}}
[[File:Brainstorm's final word Will Always Rhyme.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|Brainy Smurf Storm.]]
Originally known as '''Genitus''', the cold-constructed 'bot who would become Brainstorm worked at [[Zeta Prime]]'s [[Institute|New Institute]], from where he got his head-themed nickname. He was infatuated with his co-worker [[Quark]], an unrequited love that would go on to have lasting repercussions. Following the outbreak of the Great War, Brainstorm joined the Autobots and became a double agent for the Decepticons, spinning old information in different ways to make it seem as if he was feeding the 'Cons intelligence about new advances. This job was a cover for a complicated plan to save Quark from his death at [[Grindcore (prison)|Grindcore]] prison, procuring parts to construct a paradox trap-exempt time machine with which he planned to save his love, at the cost of his own existence. This time machine took shape within in a [[Time case|briefcase]] that never left Brainstorm's care.

As the war ground on, he worked at [[Kimia Facility|Kimia]], producing all kinds of bizarre weapons that were mostly vetoed by the [[Ethics Committee]] as violations of the [[Non-Conventional Weapons Act]]. After the end of the war and the repopulation of Cybertron, Brainstorm was one of the 200 Autobots who volunteered to serve aboard the ''[[Lost Light]]'' as part of the quest for the [[Knights of Cybertron]]. Over the course of this voyage, Brainstorm had all sorts of adventures, brieftly returning to Cybertron to thwart Shockwave's "Dark Cybertron" scheme. Brainstorm eventually deployed his time machine in a bid to talk Megatron out of starting the war altogether. Believing him to be an undercover mole for the Decepticons, the Autobots pursued him through space and time; although Brainstorm failed in his mission, the adventure created the existence of a [[Functionist Universe|parallel universe]] where Megatron had died before he had been activated. Following a mutiny aboard the ''Lost Light'', he was one of the Autobots identified as a Megatron sympathist by [[Getaway]] and [[Atomizer]], and was subsequently marooned on the [[Necroworld]] with his fellow loyalists.
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===''TransTech''===
In [[Primax 806.30 Gamma]], Brainstorm was binary-bonded to the [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] weapons specialist [[Dynamite]] using reverse-engineered technology from [[Sgt. Savage]]. The binary-bonded Autobots joined up with the [[Screaming Eagles]] to battle the forces of [[S.K.A.R.]] The Autobots and Screaming Eagles ultimately emerged victorious from this destructive global conflict and ushered in a new Golden Age for Earth. {{storylink|Andromeda - Axiom Nexus News Reporter|Andromeda - Axiom Nexus News, 2016/05/01}}

===''Titans Return'' marketing material===
[[File:TitansReturn Brainstorm CardArt.jpg|right|thumb|200px|]]

When the [[Titan Master]]s joined the Autobot-Decepticon war, Brainstorm as partnered with [[Arcana|Teslor]], who enhanced Brainstorm's intelligence to make his inventions even more advanced. {{storylink|#TitansReturn|''Titans Return'' Teslor/Brainstorm toy bio}}
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==Commercial appearances==
*Brainstorm, [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]], [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]], and [[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]] awaited their [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] partners as [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] sent out a Decepticon alert. Once [[Arcana]] was aboard his vehicle mode, Brainstorm sped off to come to blows against the Decepticon Headmasters. Brainstorm and Arcana transformed and combined to ward off their enemies! {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Headmasters|Headmasters commercial}}
*A stone sculpture of Brainstorm was savaged by [[Skullcruncher (G1)|Skullcruncher]] as part of his training. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Decepticon Headmasters|Decepticon Headmasters commercial}}
*After Brainstorm and Highbrow were dealt one too many defeats at the hands of the Decepticons, their latest in a battle against [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]] and [[Weirdwolf (G1)|Weirdwolf]], the Autobots conceived of a new breed of warriors: Autobot [[Pretender]]s! {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Pretenders|Pretenders commercial}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: The Headmasters''===
Brainstorm was kidnapped by the Decepticons and held captive on the Jail planet by [[Abominus (G1)|Abominus]]. He was rescued by [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] and his other comrades, and in turn helped rescue those who were still imprisoned. Once they had reunited, Brainstorm and the others met with [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] for the last battle against [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]. {{storylink|Transformers: The Headmasters (video game)|Transformers: The Headmasters}}

===''The Transformers'' (PS2)===
{{voiceactor|[[Peter von Gomm]]}}

====Autobot story====
{{note|Brainstorm was available as a playable character in the Autobot campaign during the second playthrough.}}

====Decepticon story====
Brainstorm, believing he was the match of the Decepticon leader, challenged [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s march on [[Zel Samine]] as his forces made their way through an array of wind turbines. They handed his aft to him, leaving Brainstorm shocked and confused; how could his frontal attack against superior forces have failed?

He retreated to formulate a new plan.

Later, at ELTA, Chromedome and Brainstorm joined forces to battle the Decepticons again, to no avail. {{storylink|The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers}}

===''Transformers Legends''===
The Autobot Headmasters led by Brainstorm hunted for [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'s ghost by tracking the electro-magnetic spikes which signaled his manifestations. They were able to prevent him passing over into the physical world, and scattered the Decepticons who had aided him. {{storylink|Ghost in the Machine (Legends)|Ghost in the Machine}} When the Decepticons aimed to get hold of the [[Key to the Plasma Energy Chamber]], Brainstorm and his fellow Headmasters made off with it but soon crashed on Earth. They were aided by the [[Earth Defense Command|EDC]], who patched them up and helped them fight off [[Apeface]] and [[Skullcruncher (G1)|Skullcruncher]]. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Earth Defense Command}}

===''Transformers: Battle Tactics''===
[[File:BattleTacticsBrainstorm.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Seriously, Brainstorm once destroyed an entire village because he thought he saw a cow. And it turned out to be a washing machine.]]
Brainstorm participated in battles against a variety of opponents, both Autobots and Decepticons. Sometimes there were many of him! He was a Super Rare character who could be recruited for 300 units of Cybermetal, 95 units of Transmetal, 60 scout cores, and 5 cores of this character. {{storylink|Transformers: Battle Tactics}}
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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[File:G1-toy Brainstorm.jpg|right|300px|thumb|No no...]]
*'''Brainstorm''' (Headmaster, [[1987]])
**''Japanese ID number'': '''C-104'''
**''Accessories'': "Arcana" Headmaster pilot, left & right "High-Energy [[Photon pulse cannon|Photon Pulse Cannons]]"

:Brainstorm transforms into a turquoise Cybertronic fighter craft. Both of Brainstorm's twin pistols attach to the front of his alt-mode's nosecone to extend it and augment it with two canard wings. As with all larger Headmaster toys, Brainstorm features both a cockpit suitable for his partner, [[Arcana#Toys|Arcana]], to sit in and an abbreviated [[Tech Spec]]s bar graph inside his chest hidden under a hinged panel. When a compatible Headmaster head is plugged into the socket on Brainstorm's [[robot mode]], the bars will show three of that head unit's Tech Specs.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1987/Autobot/Brainstorm/brainstorm.htm More information on Brainstorm at TFU.info]''
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===Generations===
====Thrilling 30====
[[File:Generations 30 voyager Brainstorm.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|Briefcase sadly not included.]]
*'''Brainstorm''' (Voyager, [[2014]])
**''Series / Number'': '''02 / #009'''
**''Accessories'': Head/pilot robot, left & right blasters

:Part of the eighth wave of 2012-onwards ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' Voyager Class toys, ''[[Thrilling 30]]'' Brainstorm transforms into a turquoise Cybertronian aircraft based off of [[Nick Roche]]'s design for ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]''. He is notable for being the first general retail release toy of an existing headmaster to retain the gimmick. He also holds the distinction of being the first Headmaster-style figure with an articulated neck. He comes with two pistols which can attach via [[5mm post]] to his hands and the nosecone of the jet. [[Arcana#Generations|His head]] transforms into an unnamed robot that is most certainly Arcana, and can be inserted inside the cockpit to be used as a pilot. Putting the pilot robot into the neck socket will reveal Tech Specs like the G1 toy. The Tech Specs are based off the original figure, not the Tech Specs on the box.

:Exercise caution while using the Headmaster gimmick, as the main robot's neck socket is painted, making the pilot robot rather difficult to remove. Too much force could separate the pilot robot's own head from his body. However, there have been reports of a [[Variant#Running changes|running change]] in the toy that fixes the Headmaster gimmick; this is signified by a rubber band holding the head in place.

:Please take note that Arcana ''cannot'' connect to Brainstorm's Deluxe Class counterpart due to having different connectors, and any ''Titans Return'' Titan Master (including Teslor) is incompatible with Brainstorm's Voyager Class body.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/GenBrainstorm/brainstorm.htm More information on Generations Brainstorm on TFU.info]''
::*''[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/fixed-headmaster-gimmick-variant-of-generations-brainstorm-released/32023/ Fixed Headmaster gimmick running change]''

====Titans Return====
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[[File:TitansReturntoy-BrainstormTitanForce.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|I'm Charon in London.]]
*'''Titan Force''' (gift set, 2016)
**''Accessories:'' Gun, vehicle nosecone/Titan Master sled, "Autobot Teslor" Titan Master, sticker sheet of multiple Autobot and Decepticon faction symbols

:This version of Brainstorm is a [[retool]] of ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' [[Blurr (G1)/toys#TitansReturn|Blurr]], lacking the Titan Master pegs originally found on Blurr, and features a new face, shoulders, and vehicle mode parts, mostly inspired by his [[IDW Publishing|IDW]] ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' design. As with all Deluxe-or-larger ''Titans Return'' toys, his [[Titan Master]] head, [[Arcana#TitanForce|Autobot Teslor]], can be freely swapped between figures, and transforms into a robot which can pilot or peg onto alternate modes.

:[[File:Brainstorm vs Charon.jpg|thumb|left|upright=0.8|A rarity: A trademark conflict in a specific non-US market.]]
:Brainstorm includes a foil sticker sheet, featuring a choice of Autobot or Decepticon symbols for the sculpted spot under his windscreen in robot mode and for his wings (either to cover the tampographed symbols already there or to go on the reverse side for robot mode).

:This initial release of Brainstorm was only available as part of the "Titan Force" [[giftset]], which also includes a translucent plastic redeco of [[Sentinel Prime (G1)#TitanForce|''Titans Return'' Sentinel Prime]] and [[Windblade (G1)#TitanForce|Windblade]], a [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]-themed redeco of her ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 toyline)|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Windblade (RID)#Warrior|counterpart's Warrior Class sculpt]]. In the United States, the "Titan Force" set was [[exclusive]] to [[Hasbro Toy Shop]], initially available at their booth at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2016, and later also via the Hasbro Toy Shop website. For the United Kingdom, [[A1 Toys]] acquired exclusive distribution rights, with the set initially available at their booth at London Film & Comic-Con 2016, and later also via their website and at other UK conventions. Due to trademark issues, A1 Toys' release had to rename Brainstorm into "'''Charon'''" via stickers applied to the outside of the box. Furthermore, the set was also sold at Cybertron Con Shanghai 2016, at the Hasbro booth at Animation-Comic-Game Hong Kong 2016 and at the HasbroStore booth at Fan Expo 2016 in Canada, in each case retaining Brainstorm's original name.

:This retooled sculpt would've been redecoed as [[Devcon (G1)|Devcon]] with Titan Master [[Slizardo]] redecoed from [[Haywire#Generations|Hyperfire]] as a BotCon 2017 exclusive that never came to be.

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[[File:TF-Generations-Titans-Return-Brainstorm-(Individual-Release).jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|It's okay, [http://www.shortpacked.com/2005/comic/book-1-brings-back-the-80s/01-just-a-toy-store/batman-can-breathe-in-space/ Teslor can breathe in space.]]]
*'''Autobot Teslor & Brainstorm''' (Deluxe, 2016)
**''Accessories:'' Gun, vehicle nosecone/Titan Master sled, "Autobot Teslor" Titan Master

:A differently-decoed Brainstorm was also sold individually. Compared to the San Diego Comic-Con version, this one has a deco closer to the original G1 toy, including a yellow canopy. Although it has fewer paint apps than the Titan Force giftset version, it features more tampographed details instead. As with most ''Titans Return'' figures, Brainstorm also comes with a collectors' card based on his packaging art.

:Initial samples on display at conventions had his helmet left unpainted (showing the same darker gray as used on his wings and feet) and his Autobot symbol tampograph applied to the top of his canopy like on his Titan Force release. His stock photography, however, matches the version of the figure available at retail.

:In the United States, Brainstorm was available as the first ever exclusive to [[Walgreens]] drug stores. However, in late August 2016, before Brainstorm became widely available at Walgreens, a single case was discovered at a ''Walmart'' store in the United States, which ended up being an isolated incident.<ref name="walmart">http://news.tfw2005.com/2016/08/31/titans-return-walgreens-exclusive-brainstorm-found-wal-mart-324155</ref> In Hasbro's Asian markets, meanwhile, Brainstorm was available at general retail in a case all by himself, and ended up as a ''massive'' shelfwarmer at stores such as Toys"R"Us and AEON.

:The packaging features the assortment number for the general retail ''Titans Return'' Deluxe Class, implying that the decision to make him an exclusive was a late one.
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===''Legends''===
[[File:TF-Legends-LG09-Brainstorm.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|Some say this deco is overdoing it.]]
*'''Brainstorm''' (Voyager, 2015-[[January 24|01-24]])
**''ID number'': '''LG09'''
**''Accessories'': "Cana" Headmaster pilot, left & right weapons

:''[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]'' Brainstorm is a redeco of ''Generations'' Brainstorm with some minor changes in plastic, such as an orange canopy. He more noticeably features additional paint detail, including red and white highlights on his smaller wings, some white added to the red details on his chest, and a silver midriff. Brainstorm's bio is written from a ''The Headmasters'' perspective and as such names the Headmaster its Japanese name, Cana. He comes with [[Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 9|volume 9]] of the ''[[Transformers Legends (comic)|Transformers Legends Comic: Bonus Edition]]'' comic.

::*''[http://higekumatoytoy.blog60.fc2.com/blog-entry-2421.html Legends Voyager Brainstorm at Alfes's Blog Part 1]''
::*''[http://higekumatoytoy.blog60.fc2.com/blog-entry-2422.html Legends Voyager Brainstorm at Alfes's Blog Part 2]''

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[[File:LegendsTRBrainstorm.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|Yellow belly. (Well, close enough.)]]
*'''Brainstorm''' (Deluxe, [[2016]]-[[December 28|12-28]])
**''ID number'': '''LG39'''
**''Accessories'': Gun, vehicle nosecone/Headmaster sled, gun, "[[Synapse (Legends)|Synapse]]" partner drone, "Cana" Headmaster component

:The second ''Legends'' Brainstorm is a slight retool and redeco of the tooling used for the previously mentioned ''Titans Return'' Brainstorm releases. This figure's deco is based directly off of Brainstorm's character model in ''The Headmasters'' cartoon, and the Headmaster partner himself is retooled to match—notably removing his faceplate in favor of a mouth. Also included is [[Synapse (Legends)|Synapse]], a redeco of Titan Master [[Brawn (G1)/toys#TitansReturn|Brawn]]'s vehicle accessory, which is built to accommodate all Titan Masters/Headmasters.

::*''[http://higekumatoytoy.blog60.fc2.com/blog-entry-2736.html Legends Deluxe Brainstorm at Alfes's Blog]''
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==Notes==
[[File:G1BrainstormOriginalHead.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Please find us clearer footage.]]
[[File:Brainstormpretenderscommercial.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|His blue period.]]
*In early planning stages, the Large Headmasters were to have differently styled heads that would be replaced by their more familiar heads during the Headmaster process. A [[commercial]] for [[Ring of Hate!|Headmasters #1]] featuring animation of Brainstorm and others is the only time these designs were used.
*The Headmasters appeared in a second commercial with much more sophisticated animation. In this entry, we see the Autobot Headmasters lined up in [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]]s as their Nebulan partners run up into their cockpits and then launch into an attack. [http://youtube.com/watch?v=dDSemtc0JaU]
*Additional footage of the Headmasters featured in the animated introduction to the first commercial for the [[Pretender]]s. As Brainstorm battles [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]], the narration claims that after a series of defeats, the Autobots are required to up the ante by developing Pretender technology.
*In all three of these commercials, Brainstorm is colored in his [[Marvel Comics]] colors rather than his color scheme seen in "[[The Rebirth]]", with his dark green and orange being replaced with cyan and yellow.
*Brainstorm is a Christian! In the [[Transformers: The Headmasters (cartoon)|''Headmasters'' cartoon]] episode "[[The Four-Million-Year-Old Veil of Mystery]]", when the Headmasters encounter a massacre on the planet [[Praum]], [[:File:HM7 Brainstorm sign of cross.jpg|he crosses himself]].

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Cana''' (カーナ ''Kāna''), '''Brainstorm''' (ブレインストーム ''Bureinsutōmu'')
*''French:'' '''Cerveau''' (Canada, "Brain")
*''Hungarian:'' '''Agytröszt''' ("Genius", literally "Brain-Trust")
*''Italian:'' '''Goblin'''
*''Mandarin:'' '''Burn''' (Taiwan, 伯恩 ''Bó Ēn''), '''Xiǎo Zhūgé''' (China, 小诸葛, "Little {{w|Zhuge Liang|Zhuge}}")
*''Russian:'' '''Fantazyor''' (Фантазёр, "Dreamer")

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MediaWiki:TFWiki.net 2018 Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions/Character

2018-06-13T21:39:12Z

Bluestreak7: /* Poll entries */

This is the page for the '''TFWiki.net Transformers Hall of Fame Favorite Character Auditions''' entries. The rules are as follows:

#You must pick your top '''three''' ''Transformers'' characters, from any era. They must actually '''be''' Transformers; sorry, but no humans, non-Transformer aliens, non-Transformer robots, or anything else of the sort are being considered for the Hall of Fame. Any votes for such entities will '''not''' be tabulated. It is the sole discretion of the contest organizers to decide what does and does not count.
##"Hasbro Toy of the Year" votes '''[[Transformers Wiki:TFWiki.net 2018 Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions/Toy|go here!]]'''
#Take your top three list and '''put it in alphabetical order'''. Order of preference does not matter. Feel free to denote the character's franchise of origin, although these distinctions may or may not figure into the final results.
#You '''cannot''' pick a specific version of '''Arcee, Bumblebee, Cosmos, Dinobot, Galvatron, Grimlock, Ironhide, Jazz, Megatron, ''Beast Wars'' Megatron, Optimus Primal, Optimus Prime, Predaking (combiner), Prowl, Ratchet, Rodimus, Shockwave, Soundwave, Starscream, Ultra Magnus, Waspinator, or Wheeljack.''' They've already been inducted!
#Only one entry per user.

Please put your characters of choice and user name below in the following manner:

*Airrazor (BW), Laserbeak, Sentinel Prime (Animated)--<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>

==Poll entries==


*Blackarachnia, Hot Shot, Ravage --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 22:12, 12 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Cheetor, Wreck-Gar -- [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 22:22, 12 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Cheetor, Ginrai --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 23:33, 12 June 2018 (EDT)
*Lockdown, Ratbat, Unicron --[[User:Notirishman|notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 23:37, 12 June 2018 (EDT)
*Elita-One, Rattrap, Swindle --[[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 03:01, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Dreadwing, Onslaught --[[User:Jirr'kel|Shockblaster's Hideout]] ([[User talk:Jirr'kel|talk]]) 03:47, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Devastator, Impactor, Lockdown --[[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] ([[User talk:BattleBlade|talk]]) 04:25, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Rampage (BW), Tarantulas --[[User:DalekSupreme13|DalekSupreme13]] ([[User talk:DalekSupreme13|talk]]) 06:11, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Computron, Omega Supreme, Sky Lynx (G1) --[[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 06:54, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Bulkhead, Sky-Byte --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 07:15, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Devastator, Unicron --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 07:56, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Hot Shot, Lockdown --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 08:17, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Springer, Devastator, Unicron -- [[User:Darkwingduck|Darkwingduck]] ([[User talk:Darkwingduck|talk]]) 11:38, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Demolishor, Hot Shot, Sideways -- [[User:Stardust262|Stardust262]] ([[User talk:Stardust262|talk]]) 12:36, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Bisk, Tarantulas -- [[User:SoundJack426|SoundJack426]] ([[User talk:SoundJack426|talk]]) 13:23, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Chromedome, First Aid, Perceptor--[[User:Red|Red]] ([[User talk:Red|talk]]) 21:17, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Devastator, Hot Shot, Ravage--[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] ([[User talk:Bluestreak7|talk]]) 17:39, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

[[Category:TFWiki.net]]

Decepticon Justice Division

2018-02-17T05:37:09Z

Bluestreak7: /* IDW Generation 1 continuity */ missing storylink

{{factions|decepticon}}
:''The Decepticon Justice Division is a group from the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW portion]] of the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:Mtmte7 djd.jpg|thumb|upright=2.8|So it's just "Or Death" then?]]
{{bigquote|Find. Kill. Cleanse.|The D.J.D. motto}}
The '''Decepticon Justice Division''' is a division of the Decepticon army that handles justice. And by justice, we mean "unmarked graves". Assuming there's enough left of their victims to bury.

Traitors, deserters, and any manner of transgressors to the [[Decepticon]] cause end up on "[[The List]]", and are targeted by these enforcers of [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron's]] will. If the rumors are to be believed, they ''always'' find their quarry, and execute them in the messiest fashion possible to make an example of them. Several of them are living torture devices, either having horrific instruments of pain built into their bodies, or having [[alternate mode]]s that become such devices. As a group, they're even able to take down the mighty [[Phase Sixer]]s. So fearsome is their reputation that many Decepticons prefer suicide to waiting for the D.J.D. to find them... unfortunately, many Decepticons only find out they were ''on'' The List right as the D.J.D. arrive. Obviously, this makes them incredibly unpopular among the rank-and-file, many wondering just what level of minor infraction will get you on The List in the first damn place.

Their usual killing fields are in the proximity of the planet [[Messatine]], and they pursue targets in their spaceship the ''[[Peaceful Tyranny]]''.

The group's lineup has changed over the years, but its core five members always use the same five code-names: those of [[Fall of the First Five Cities|the first five cities]] to fall to the Decepticons. Should one member die, another Decepticon is eventually selected to take their place and name. Only the group's leader, [[Tarn (DJD)|Tarn]], is known to have been in the group from the start.

Known members include:

*[[Tarn (DJD)|Tarn]] (leader)
*[[Helex (DJD)|Helex]]
*[[Kaon (DJD)|Kaon]]
*[[Tesarus (DJD)|Tesarus]]
*[[Dominus Ambus|Agent 113]] (as "Vos")
*[[Vos (DJD)|Vos]]
*[[Nickel]]

==Fiction==
===IDW Generation 1 continuity===

[[File:Tarn transforms MTMTE08.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.1|]]

Tarn runs a tight ship. Each of his team have to do health and safety reports and are subjected to constant performance reviews. It's not all fun and games! {{storylink|The Permanent Revolution}}

The late and unlamented [[Crosscut (Decepticon)|Crosscut]] was often mistaken for a Justice Division man, which he used to his advantage. {{storylink|The Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers|Crosscut's Squadron X profile}}

The D.J.D. has killed quite a few of the renegade Decepticon warlord [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]]'s troops for their desertion. {{storylink|The Permanent Revolution}} But while the Division are primarily about killing Decepticons, they ''looooove'' killing Autobots too. They had a reputation of being Megatron's personal assassins and [[Gripper (G1)|Gripper]] lost many good friends to them. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 2: Words Hang in the Air|Words Hang in the Air}} {{storylink|slaughterhouse}}

[[File:MTMTE44 Agent113.jpg|thumb|left|Vos AKA Agent 113 AKA Dominus Ambus AKA Matches Malone AKA Keyser Soze.]]

The last-but-one Vos had hooks for hands and feet. Footage of him doing his usual business with the rest of the D.J.D. was recorded and presented as evidence during Megatron's trial. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 2: Words Hang in the Air|Words Hang in the Air}} Unknown to the Decepticons, that Vos was an [[Autobot]] mole, the famous [[Dominus Ambus]], codenamed Agent 113! {{storylink|The Not Knowing}}{{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 4: At Close of Day|At Close of Day}} He used his position to passing information to the Autobots and due to a justifiably extreme paranoia about being found out, he used info-slugs disguised as bullets to pass message covertly. Usually this information would be the turncoats and traitors that the Division was hunting down, whom the Autobots could protect from [[death|justice]] in return for information. {{storylink|Bullets}}

In order to ensure the safety of the Autobot medical facility of [[Delphi]] on the planet [[Messatine]], deep within D.J.D. territory, the facility's chief medical officer [[Pharma (G1)|Pharma]] entered into a deal with the Division's leader. In return for their leaving Delphi be, Pharma would provide Tarn with a constant supply of fresh [[transformation cog]]s from Delphi's dead, in order to feed his addiction to changing shape that caused him to constantly burn through cogs. {{storylink|How Ratchet Got His Hands Back}}

During Ambus's time, the Division had learned the mysterious [[Censere|Necrobot]] was real and the existence of his planet, [[Necroworld]]. They didn't bother to investigate it. {{storylink|The Not Knowing}} Shortly after, he fired a warning about numerous issues, as well as the Necroworld's location, into [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]], when he was witnessing a typical D.J.D. atrocity. Unfortunately, Swerve was never aware this had ''been'' a message bullet and none of the alerted medics ever saw him. The shock rendered Swerve speechless for six months, which was quite a feat for him. {{storylink|Life After the Big Bang}} {{storylink|The One Where They Go to Earth}}

Shortly after the Great Surge of 2008, the D.J.D. became concerned that the Decepticon forces attacking [[Garrus-9]] hadn't reported back. They dispatched an exploratory force to the colony and learned that any attempt to get near [[Garrus-9]] was blown out of the sky with extreme prejudice. Ambus passed this on to the Wreckers, via firing a message at [[Dodger]] when [[Dogfight (G1)|Dogfight's]] group had crossed the Division's path near Messatine's Serp Mines. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 1|Last Stand of the Wreckers #1}} {{storylink|Bullets}}

Eventually, the D.J.D. came across a ship piloted by none other than [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]] who was also on their list. Shockwave attempted to broker a deal with Tarn, offering his crew (consisting of virtually every Decepticon imprisoned in Garrus-9 who were on the list beneath him) in exchange for letting him live. However, the zealous Tarn had no intention of letting ''any'' of them live and attacked with his lethal voice. While [[Scorponok (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Scorponok]] and a [[Flame (Marvel)|few]] [[Flywheels|others]] abandoned ship, salvation came in the form of Shockwave blasting out the radio and back-up arriving in the form of the ''[[Torment]]''. Rather than face [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] and [[Monstructor (G1)|Monstructor]], the D.J.D. retreated. {{storylink|The Ties That Bind}}

Shortly after the Dogfight battle, the Division found out who "Vos" was. When a new Vos appeared, the Autobots assumed Agent 113 was dead {{storylink|The Not Knowing}} but in fact the Division had "domesticated" Ambus: a sadistic form of torture directed at beast-mode Transformers that leaves them lobotimised as a 'pet'. Now simply called "the Pet" and dragged around on a lead by Kaon, the once-mighty intellectual was used as a feral hunting dog and a propaganda tool (the Division claimed he was a tamed [[Sparkeater (creature)|sparkeater]]). In a bit of Lima syndrome, Kaon developed a twisted affection for his "pet". {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 4: At Close of Day|At Close of Day}}

Around 2009, the D.J.D. discovered a mutated form of nucleon on Messatine. They dubbed it [[Nuke]] and kept it to themselves: only Megatron was alerted, and he was playing dead at the time. {{storylink|The Permanent Revolution}}

Some time later, the D.J.D. discovered the ravaged Cybertronian colony founded by the [[Titan (IDW)|Titan]] [[Prion]] and recruited its sole survivor, Nickel, into their ranks. She took up a job as their nurse. {{storylink|The Permanent Revolution}}

With the D.J.D.'s monthly quota of cogs constantly rising, Pharma was forced into drastic action, seeking to escape the deal by shutting down the facility without implicating himself. To this end, he hired Decepticon nobodies [[Sonic (G1)|Sonic]] and [[Boom]] to pose as [[Monoformer]]s and seek asylum at Delphi, professing to be on the run from the D.J.D. Once inside, they detonated a viral soundbomb that infected Delphi with a corrosive plague that would be blamed on D.J.D. chemical warfare. {{storylink|Life After the Big Bang}} {{storylink|How Ratchet Got His Hands Back}}

Meanwhile, the D.J.D. caught up with [[Black Shadow (Victory)|Black Shadow]] and brutally tortured him to death after he sold his services to the Autobots. Despite popular conceptions, Tarn declared the war wasn't over until Megatron personally ''said'' it was over. Kaon then alerted Tarn to a signal on the planet Clemency from an undetonated [[K-Class]] named [[Fulcrum]]. When they arrived, Tarn gave Fulcrum's companions fifteen minutes to give him up and watch him die or be killed themselves. {{storylink|Rules of Disengagement (issue)|Rules of Disengagement}}

[[File:BrainstormDJDComeGetHim.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|left|Only Brainstorm invites genocidal murderers not to genocidally murder everyone on his ship.]] The so-called [[Scavenger (group)|Scavengers]] chose to fight, turning an incidentally captive [[Grimlock (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Grimlock]] against Tarn and the others. The initial surprise wore off, though, and the Scavengers got brutalized. Tesarus ground up [[Flywheels]] in his chest compartment, while Vos made [[Krok (G1)|Krok]] "wear his face". Even a [[Cybernought]] barely helped improve their odds. The remaining hapless Decepticons only survived because Kaon detected [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]]'s spark signature, and Fulcrum had seemingly died moments prior in a failed suicide-bomb attempt (he hadn't, but everyone was a little too busy to double-check). Tarn ordered the D.J.D. off to hunt for bigger fish, but not before warning the surviving Scavengers that their names had all been added to the List. {{storylink|Scavengers (Part 2): Who's Afraid of the DJD?|Who's Afraid of the DJD?}}

[[File:Slaughterhouse mtmte -32 djd attack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3|And the fandom collectively wept. Whether it was because they had [[spark|souls]] or because they loved watching the D.J.D. kill people has yet to be determined.]]‎
Following a tip-off from the Decepticon mole [[Brainstorm (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Brainstorm]], the D.J.D. caught up with the ''[[Lost Light]]'' (unbeknownst to anyone, one of two created by a quantum engine accident) over [[Ofsted XVII]]. Though Tarn had initially agreed to spare them in return for Overlord, after learning that known defector [[Drift (G1)|Drift]] was also onboard they slaughtered the entire crew before reaching the rogue Phase Sixer in his slow cell beneath the ship and sawing off his head. The D.J.D, however, left one member of the crew — [[Rewind (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rewind]], whom they'd sadistically forced to ''record'' their atrocities in exchange for his partner [[Chromedome (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Chromedome's]] life (and then killed Chromedome anyway when he refused to erase all memory of Rewind from his mind). {{storylink|slaughterhouse}} {{storylink|slaughterhouse Part 2: The Road Not Taken|The Road Not Taken}} {{storylink|The Permanent Revolution}}

Unbeknownst to them, on Cybertron they were being used as boogeymen for [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] to get a "protection" gig with Starscream. {{storylink|Applicable Skills}} When the [[Necrotitan]] marched on the city a year later, Megatron listed the Division as a loyal force he could call on to help them retake Cybertron from [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave's]] forces if a retreat was needed. {{storylink|Burning Bright: Dark Cybertron Chapter 8|Burning Bright}} Finally, at Megatron's trial, their atrocities were part of the evidence. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 2: Words Hang in the Air|Words Hang in the Air}}

Seventeen months later, the Division returned to the shattered ''Lost Light'' at Nickel's urging in order to steal the ship's [[Quantum generator|quantum engines]]. This turned out to be a mistake: the D.J.D. arrived in the middle of a battle between the [[Galactic Council]] and [[Black Block Consortia]], both of whom were also after the engines. Rather than leave Cybertronian technology in the hands of ''organics'', the D.J.D. attacked both sides, which simply led to the two organizations teaming up against them. {{storylink|The Permanent Revolution}}

[[File:BirthsDeathsAndInterventions-kaonkillstrailcutter.jpg|thumb|left|200px]]
Pursuing Council forces to the surface of Ofsted XVII, Vos and Kaon were trapped on the planet when an overwhelming number of organic reinforcements forced the ''Peaceful Tyranny'' to retreat. {{storylink|The Permanent Revolution}} The two Decepticons were left badly damaged and close to death by the battle. The pair's salvation arrived when a trio of Autobots (from the surviving ''Lost Light'' duplicate) helped them, initially unaware of who they were; after learning just who Vos was, [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailcutter]] still did the ethical thing and helped. He was rewarded by getting trapped in his panic bubble forcefield with Kaon and butchered to death. Vos and Kaon were able to call for a teleport back to their ship, bringing with them the new postwar edition of ''[[Towards Peace]]''. {{storylink|Births, Deaths, and Interventions}}

The rest of the D.J.D. caught up with and murdered [[Blip]] in the interim. Tesarus was feeling guilty about abandoning their two comrades, considering it "un-Decepticon"; this got him a beating from Tarn and a threat of death. {{storylink|The Permanent Revolution}}

Watching Megatron renounce and denounce the Decepticon cause in ''Towards Peace'' shook Tarn's faith in the movement, and he nearly killed himself by Nuke overdose before realizing a better option. The D.J.D. leader organized a meeting with the rogue Deathsaurus, not to murder him but to ''ally'' with him. In exchange, he and all of his troops would be stricken from The List. Despite some initial friction, Deathsaurus agreed to the alliance. With the D.J.D. now bolstered by the addition of Deathsaurus's considerable forces, Tarn declared their new objective: kill the traitorous Megatron and all of his allies aboard the ''Lost Light''. {{storylink|The Permanent Revolution}}

Meanwhile the ''Lost Light'' medics finally found and extracted the message bullet from Swerve, {{storylink|The One Where They Go to Earth}} but it had deteriorated: the only usable data was the location of the Necrobot [[Censere]]. {{storylink|The Not Knowing}}

Upon detecting long-missing AWOLs that had been on the List on Necroworld, the D.J.D. returned to the planet and learned that the ''Lost Light'' had been there not too long ago. Formulating a plan, the D.J.D. sent a distress signal to the Autobot ship using the Necrobot's own computers in order to lure them back. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}} The Division then butchered the Necrobot and ambushed Megatron, and his only loyal crew members, when they arrived. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light: (1) How Bright Their Frail Deeds|How Bright Their Frail Deeds}} As they'd been taught, and to Megatron's dismay, they made a display of strength before departing, promising to return at sundown: thus, they assumed, terrifying their foes (Deathsaurus thought this was dumb). While some of the Lost Light crew searched for an escape ship, Megatron tried to negotiate his surrender with Tarn. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 2: The Sun in Flight|The Sun in Flight}}

[[File:YourFierceTears-byebyekaon.jpg|thumb|right|250px|The DJD were determined to get into the ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' line.]]

That's when things began to deteriorate: the Pet was captured by the Autobots and Kaon let two new arrivals, Drift and [[Ratchet (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ratchet]], reach the others for fear of the Pet being hurt. Meanwhile, disgusted by how far his former leader had fallen, Tarn savagely attacked Megatron but was interrupted by the unexpected arrival of Overlord! Megatron escaped in the commotion and Tarn reluctantly brought Overlord into the plan. As the Phase Sixer constantly sniped at him, Kaon came in crying about the loss of his Pet and that they had to get him back... so, to Nickel's horror, Tarn ''killed him'' for the sin of emotion (and smooshed his head on Overlord's chest to shut the guy up), an act that disgusted even Overlord. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 3: Your Fierce Tears|Your Fierce Tears}}

Shortly before sunset, the Autobots learned the fate of Dominus Ambus and Rewind was forced to mercy-kill him. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 4: At Close of Day|At Close of Day}}

[[File:mtmte 55 antimatter.jpg|left|thumb|300px|The DJD learn the very hard way that as an Autobot leader, Megatron does indeed now have [[The Touch]]. The Touch of [[Instruments of Destruction|Destruction]].]]
During the final battle, the Autobots were worn down and Tarn ripped [[Ravage (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ravage]] in half to draw out Megatron. This finally succeeded and Tarn, to Nickel's dismay, ordered the troops to wade in and soak up gunfire so ''he'' could get the drop. Eventually, Megatron was disarmed and held at gunpoint, {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 5: Rage, Rage|Rage, Rage}} surviving only because Megatron had taken Trailcutter's forcefield for himself. The Division pounded on it to get in, even as Overlord wandered off and Deathsaurus ordered his army to retreat from the pointless slaughter, a disillusioned Nickel in tow.

This, however, was a trap: Megatron had rigged the forcefield to let them in but not out, ironically leaving them just as trapped as Trailcutter had been. Once in, he could finally unleash the antimatter weapon he'd been working on for so many years. Megatron raged that they'd ruined all his chances at redemption and leaving any conflict, and he wasn't going to give them the dignity of dying under their aliases. As he tore them to pieces, each was named: <strike>Vos</strike> Forestock, <strike>Helex</strike> Crucible, <strike>Tesarus</strike> Scissorsaw, and finally Glitch, who died with his mask off after bargaining and false bravado had both failed to stay Megatron's hand. With their deaths and Nickel's defection to Deathsaurus' forces, the Decepticon Justice Division was no more. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}}

Among [[Agonizer|Agonizer's]] rare items was an early version of [[The List]] with [[Starscream (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Starscream's]] name on it. {{storylink|An Axe to Break the Ice}}
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===''Beast Wars: Uprising''===
During the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]], the DJD operated out of the [[Mandala]] in [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] under the supervision of [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]. Three centuries after the end of the war, statues of Kaon and Tesarus remained in the halls of the Mandala, immortalizing their deeds. {{storylink|Trigger Warnings}}

==Notes==
*In an early plan for "[[Chaos Theory Part 1|Chaos Theory]]", the D.J.D. were going to attack.<ref>[http://www.fullmetalhero.com/t14540/ Moonbase2's second interview with James Roberts - 01:33:27 to 01:35:00]</ref>
*[[James Roberts]] elaborated that when a D.J.D. member dies, his replacement takes his name.<ref>[http://boards.idwpublishing.com/3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12651&start=15 IDW Forums James Roberts Q&A]</ref>

==References==
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[[Category:Beast Wars: Uprising subgroups]]
[[Category:Decepticon subgroups]]
[[Category:IDW Generation 1 subgroups]]
[[Category:IDW Generation 1 Transformer culture]]
[[Category:Law enforcement]]

Flywheels

2018-02-17T05:34:24Z

Bluestreak7: /* IDW Generation 1 continuity */ The Ties That Bind

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:''Flywheels is a [[Decepticon]] [[Duocon]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:Flywheelsboxart.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Howitzer'd!]]

'''Flywheels''' (aka '''Skytread''') tries to keep it together and stay upbeat, he really does, but it's hard when your mind (and often your body) is literally divided in two. A split personality would be trouble enough, but to add injury to illness, Flywheels' two halves are very jealous of each other and basically hate each other's guts. They spend more time fighting one another than the Autobots. It doesn't matter whether they're unified in robot form or not, Flywheels' two halves go right on arguing, which can be disconcerting to others around him, to say the least.

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics====
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[[File:Sixshotg1marvel.jpg|upright=0.6|thumb|"Hi. We're off to do other things now... elsewhere. Without you. Bye!"]]
Flywheels was a part of [[Scorponok (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Scorponok]]'s army of Decepticons on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. Upon learning the co-ordinates of the planet [[Nebulos]] from [[Zarak (G1)|Lord Zarak]], requesting the Decepticons help in ridding the [[Autobot]]s from his world, Scorponok ordered his army to lay siege to the alien planet. Flywheels was seen in jet mode as part of a battalion carrying Decepticons from their spacecraft to the surface of Nebulos, where he remained out of sight, away from the main events. {{storylink|Broken Glass!}} Later, every Decepticon on the planet left Nebulos in pursuit of the Autobots to planet Earth. {{storylink|Brothers in Armor!!}}

[[File:Zombieskalis.jpg|thumb|left|upright=0.9]]
''Back on Cybertron, Flywheels appeared in a brief battle against [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Magnus]] and the [[Sparkabot]]s. He was knocked out of the air by Ultra Magnus and was captured by the [[Autobot]]s. As a prisoner, he was soon forced to fight with his captors against a horde of [[zombie]] Transformers in [[Kalis]]. Though the Autobots had taken away his blaster, Flywheels was still able to pull his own weight in destroying the encroaching horde by using his tank mode. After he realized that they were slaughtering former Autobots, Ultra Magnus ordered a cease-fire, hoping they might instead come up with the means to revert the zombies to a fully-living state. Flywheels disobeyed Ultra Magnus' order, but soon stood down when his captors threatened to blast him next. The group retreated to a nearby building, where they puzzled out that they were indeed fighting the dead, but the zombots hadn't been risen through supernatural means; rather, a powerful radio-signal was controlling the motor functions of Cybertronian corpses. With this information in mind, Flywheels led Ultra Magnus to the [[Baird Beaming Transmitter]] so they could jam the signal. Reluctantly, Ultra Magnus returned Flywheels his weapons, so that the Decepticon could watch his back while he worked on shutting down the zombies. This proved fortuitous for Magnus, as Flywheels saved his life from a zombie who had managed to sneak up on him, just as he was finishing up his task.'' {{storylink|City of Fear!}} ''Ultra Magnus then allowed Flywheels to go and get reinforcements, though he had little expectation of the Duocon's return.'' {{storylink|Legion of the Lost!}} ''Surprisingly, Flywheels did come back with [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] to give the remaining zombots a good stomping, and force his way into the inner sanctum of the crazed scientist, [[Flame (Marvel)|Flame]], responsible for the entire Kalis incident.'' {{storylink|Meltdown!}}

[[File:Catilla flywheels retreat time wars.jpg|upright=1.7|thumb]]
''He later joined the [[Mayhem Attack Squad]] and took part in their joint attack with the [[Wrecker]]s on [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] and [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]]. He was one of only three Mayhems to escape alive from the gruesome twosome's base, but was killed by Galvatron after the retreat to the Decepticons' [[Decepticon heavy transport|heavy transport]].'' {{storylink|Time Wars}}

{{note|Although Flywheels's death is not shown, Galvatron [[:File:Galvatron flywheels.jpg|grabs him by the right arm]] during his and Megatron's assault on the Mayhems' ship, and his corpse (with the right arm torn off at the shoulder) [[:File:Time wars casualties.png|can be seen on the ground]] just before Rodimus Prime and the other Autobots intervene to save the remaining Wreckers and Mayhems. It's pretty clear what happened off-panel.}}

====''Regeneration One''====
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Flywheels took part in [[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]]'s attack on the [[Baird Beaming Transmitter]] in [[Kalis]], where he berated [[Ruckus (G1)|Ruckus]] for making too much noise. {{storylink|Counterpoint}}

===Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Headmasters'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Yūki Satō]] (Japanese)|[[John Culkin]] (English, Omni Productions dub)}}
[[File:DuelAsteroid Flywheels.JPG|upright=1.1|thumb|What is this ominous light that threatens to engulf us?]]
Flywheels, alongside [[Battletrap]], worked under [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]], who first sent them into battle when the Autobots and Decepticons were fighting over a [[Floppy disk|disk]] containing data on the [[Master Sword]]. The Duocons' double amount of vehicle modes was enough to overwhelm the Autobot [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmasters]], and the Decepticons quickly grabbed the disk and retreated. {{storylink|The Master Sword Is in Danger!!}} Flywheels soon appeared again to defend Scorponok as he used the disk's data to manufacture the [[Zarak Shield]]. {{storylink|The Zarak Shield Turns the Tide}}

The Duocons' next mission was to hide a time bomb on the asteroid [[Juno]], so that Scorponok could blow up [[Sixshot]] and [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] when the two arrived for their duel. {{storylink|Duel on the Asteroid}} Flywheels later participated in the climactic battle against the Autobots at the [[Arctic|North Pole]] and retreated into space when Scorponok put his plan to destroy the [[Earth]] into motion. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 2)}}
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====''Transformers Legends'' comic====
[[File:LegendsManga Vol40 Flywheel.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4]]
In 2021, Flywheels was among Scorponok's Decepticons who battled [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress]]'s Autobots near a [[black hole]], where he got his butt handed to him by [[Brawn (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Brawn]]. Scorponok's detonation of the black hole caused the combatants to lose their bodies, and they were forced to convert their heads into small [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] forms and travel to the [[Legends World]] in search of new ones. {{storylink|Targetmaster Chapter Prologue}} Flywheels joined up with the [[Astrotrain Transport Company]] for a free body, only to be enslaved by [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] until he and the other Headmasters were able to escape. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 40|Bonus Edition Vol. 40}} Now unemployed, Flywheels used his speed to pick pockets until he met [[Zarak (G1)|Zarak]], an alternate version of Scorponok from another dimension. Tempted by his offer of a new body, he figured any Scorponok was worth being loyal to and agreed to recruit additional soldiers to his cause, convincing [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] and Brawn to join him at his "new workplace". When Zarak moved to conquer the world, however, Flywheels was punched out by an angry Grimlock, then swatted into the distance by Zarak for daring to suggest he could help by forming Scorponok's head. {{storylink|LGEX Headmaster Set Chapter}}

Flywheels was unfortunate enough to be hanging around in [[Akihabara]] when [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] landed on top of it. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 43|Bonus Edition Vol. 43}}
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===''Transformers in 3-D''===
Flywheels and the Decepticon [[Clone (subgroup)|Clones]] volunteered for [[Sixshot]]'s mission to make [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]'s weekend more interesting. Whether they succeeded was never recorded. {{storylink|The Test (issue)|The Test}}
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===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
[[File:Duocons from MtMtE -8.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|"It is only logical that there will be no side-effects from this whatsoever."]]
[[Battletrap]] and Flywheels were created by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] as early prototypes for his [[Triple Changer]] fascination. Instead of achieving three alternating modes, however, they gained the ability to separate into two different alternate modes at once. {{storylink|Transformers: More than Meets the Eye#Issue #8|More Than Meets The Eye #8}}
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===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
Flywheels was a "twitchy [[Neoprimalism|neoprimalist]] with big feet" who suffered from a possibly made-up form of psychosomatic hyperflexia that caused him to change form when he lied. {{storylink|Rules of Disengagement (issue)|Rules of Disengagement}} During the war, he was stationed at [[Grindcore (prison)|Grindcore]], where he outfitted new prisoners such as [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] with nasty transformation-hindering [[inhibitor spike]]s. {{storylink|Speak, Memory: Part 1}}

At some point he was captured by the Autobots and imprisoned in [[Garrus-9]]. After [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]]'s sacking of the prison, Flywheels was allowed to leave as part of [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s crew. Not far out of the [[Elba System]], their ship ran afoul of the [[Decepticon Justice Division]]. As
Flywheels was the DJD's list of transgressors to the Decepticon cause, he and the rest of the crew specifically chosen by Shockwave to bargain for his life. When the DJD agreed to no bargain, Flywheels followed [[Flame (Marvel)|Flame]]'s advice and jettisoned himself into space along with [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]. {{storylink|The Ties That Bind}}

[[File:Flywheels tesarus whos afraid of the djd.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Flywheels about to feel the agony of "de feet."]]
Flywheels became part of [[Krok (G1)|Krok]]'s ragtag Decepticon crew along with [[Misfire (G1)|Misfire]], [[Spinister (G1)|Spinister]], and [[Crankcase (G1)|Crankcase]] after the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]] ended. Searching for [[energon]] and supplies on the planet [[Clemency]], Flywheels mistook the still-living body of [[Fulcrum]] firstly for a miracle and then for a [[zombie]] and an affront to [[Primus]]. Once that misunderstanding had been sorted out the group then chanced upon a P-6 [[Worldsweeper]], a type of [[Starship|ship]] that Flywheels noted was famous only for "crashing". What they found on board the ship, such as aborted [[protoform]]s, disconnected [[brain module]]s and a robot apparently made out of wood was disturbing enough, but then they were contacted by the [[Decepticon Justice Division]] through Flywheels' [[communicube]] and given an ultimatum to surrender one of their number so that the other six could watch him die. As there were only six of them the group reasoned that the D.J.D. must have miscounted, until Krok discovered that the ship also contained [[Grimlock (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Grimlock]] in a [[stasis pod]]. {{storylink|Rules of Disengagement (issue)|Rules of Disengagement}}

After agreeing on the seemingly-suicidal plan to fight their way out, the Scavengers spiked Grimlock's stasis pod with [[circuit speeder]]s and left him out for the D.J.D. to find. While [[Tarn (DJD)|Tarn]] battled the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] leader, the rest of the Decepticons tried to slip away but were ambushed in turn by the rest of the D.J.D. and Flywheels was killed by [[Tesarus (DJD)|Tesarus]]. His surviving comrades looted his corpse for spare parts and [[energon]] and left the body on [[Clemency]], where, 18 months later, his remains were examined by the [[Censere|Necrobot]]. {{storylink|Scavengers (Part 2): Who's Afraid of the DJD?|Who's Afraid of the DJD?}}
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===''Titans Return'' marketing material===
An ancient [[Titan Master]], Skytread could team up with other bots to grant them the ability to create a clone decoy of themselves. {{storylink|#Generations|''Titans Return'' Skytread online bio}}

===''Beast Wars: Uprising''===
When the Decepticon-[[Hive (G1)|Hive]] alliance developed the [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] process, [[Skytread]] and Flywheels became one of the first Headmasters, escalating the conflict on Nebulos with their power. {{storylink|A Brush With Infamy–Prologue}}

==Commercial appearances==
[[File:FlywheelsCommercialAndSeason4Intro.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
Flywheels's appearance on the battlefield caught the Autobots by surprise when they first thought that a jet was about to crash into a tank, only for the two vehicles to transform into one robot! The element of surprise quickly wore off, however, and Flywheels had to contend with [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]] pouncing on him. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Duocons and Throttlebots|Duocons and Throttlebots commercial}}
{{note|Animation from this commercial was recycled for the [[title sequence]] of [[The Rebirth|season 4]] of the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 animated series]], even though Flywheels himself didn't appear in the show.}}
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==Games==
===''The Transformers'' (PS2)===
{{Note|Flywheels is a non-playable character. He appears among the legion of Decepticon duplicates in the Autobot campaign.}}
{{storylink|The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers}}

===''Transformers Legends''===
Flywheels and [[Black Shadow (Victory)|Black Shadow]] encountered the D.J.D. on Clemency. They both died. {{storylink|Rules of Disengagement (Legends)|Rules of Disengagement}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[File:G1-toy Flywheels.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Hey, you know what they say about guys with big feet, right?"]]
*'''Flywheels''' (Duocon, [[1987]])
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-97'''
**''Accessories:'' "Laser cannon" pistol

:Flywheels' [[robot mode]] is made from the combination of two separate vehicles that make up his [[alternate mode]]: a maroon [[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes#F-4 Phantom|F-4 Phantom II fighter jet]] and a brown self-propelled howitzer of vague origin. Pressing the jet onto the tank's turret via friction-hold tabs triggers a spring-loaded [[autotransformation]] into the combined robot mode. Splitting the robot into the two vehicles is an entirely manual affair, however.

:His only robot-mode articulation is the sideways-swinging movement of his arms at the shoulder, but thankfully his rifle has a [[5mm post]] on the back end so it can at least point forward in robot mode, even if he has to hold it like a sword to do so. The rifle can also be mounted on the tank's front end or on the underside of the jet nosecone.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1987/Decepticon/Flywheels/flywheels.htm More information on Flywheels at TFU.info]''
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===Generations===
[[File:TF-Titans-Return-Skytread.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Oh sure, Battletrap gets a cool exclusive Voyager class and a new Legends Class toy! I lose my name! I lose my body! What do I get? A little more articulation and a little vehicle to ride around in. Huh.]]
*'''Skytread''' (Titan Master, [[2016]])
**''Accessories:'' Tank accessory
:A [[retool]] of ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' [[Horri-Bull#Generations|Terri-Bull]], Skytread (presumably renamed for [[trademark]] reasons) is a small robot who can transform into a Flywheels head that is compatible with any Deluxe-or-larger ''Titans Return'' figure. He is packaged with a small vehicle accessory redecoed from Terri-Bull's, which can form a tank for Skytread to ride in robot mode, a [[5mm post|5mm]] gun for larger figures to wield, or combine with Skytread to form a jet. Due to the sculpt of the head mode face, it can be difficult to get Skytread himself in and out of the jet configuration.

:As with Terri-Bull, the upper portion of Skytread's legs has been installed backwards. Due to this, his legs have a problem folding down in head mode due to their tolerance if not fixed.

:This toy also doubles as the separate ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' character [[Skytread]]. It was re-issued along with Nightbeat for the fourth wave of Titan Masters alongside [[Shuffler#Generations|Shuffler]] and [[Repugnus (G1)#Generations|Repugnus]], which unfortunately became prominent shelfwarmers.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2016/Decepticon/TRSkytread/skytread.htm More information on ''Titans Return'' Skytread at TFU.info]''
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===Legends===
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[[File:TF-Legends-LG-EX-Headmaster-Set-Flywheels.jpg|thumb|"OK Takara, now you fixed my legs; where's my larger body?"]]
*'''Headmaster Set''' ([[2017]]-[[February 19|02-19]])
**''ID number'': '''LG-EX'''

:Released as a Wonder Festival 2017 exclusive, this Headmaster version of "Flywheel" is a repaint of the ''Titans Return'' mold above, without the vehicle accessory, and features extensive paint apps. Unlike the Hasbro release, this Flywheel features correctly assembled legs.

:Flywheel was released along with [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Legends|Grimlock]], [[Chromedome (G1)#HeadmasterSet|Chromedome]], [[Hardhead (G1)#HeadmasterSet|Hardhead]], [[Brawn (G1)/toys#Legends|Gong]], and [[Brainstorm (G1)#HeadmasterSet|Brainstorm]].

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==Notes==
*It's often speculated that Battletrap and Flywheels' names were mistakenly swapped during production, as the rollers of tank treads are not generally thought of as wheels. Their names are even swapped in the ''Headmasters'' episode "[[The Master Sword Is in Danger!!]]".

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Flywheel''' (フライホイール ''Furaihoīru'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Fēilún''' (China, 飞轮, "Flywheel")

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=="Call 1-800-doctorb. The B is for Bargain!"==
''Voice actor:'' [[Maurice LaMarche]]

There wasn't a "." in "DrSpengler" so it wouldn't technically qualify as a proper "Dr." abbreviation. Just me keeping myname the way it's been for 7 years. ;(

But it's okay.

This isn't gonna change the name I use to log in, is it? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 00:58, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm doesn't look like it will. Alright, no big deal. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 01:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

He he he... I'm making mischief! (You can move it back if you like.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

==Monzo's thingy==
I realize these Japanese entries are basically stubs at this point, Speng, but you may want to copy the base code out of a pre-existing profile and use that... like, the first instance of a name in a profile is always bolded, the divisions for Fiction and Toy, etc. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 05:32, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

==Um==
Image:Scrash.jpg - ...what? --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:19, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Christ, I didn't think anybody was EVER gonna notice that. Oh, and that's an advertisement at a pizza joint here in Springfield that's been boggling the minds of pizza-lovers since the late 80's. I'm sure if the guys at TV Magazine ever got around to drawing Scrash they would've made him a little black girl. Almost positive, in fact.--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 05:25, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

==Images==
Hey, Spengler, I wouldn't give a shit if I couldn't see Derik freaking out over it in Recent changes, but be sure to add <nowiki>{{hastak}}</nowiki> to all of the images owned by Takara and Hasbro you upload and the specific company and date (the last part I'm not so sure about, but whatever), like on [[:Image:PredakingTVMag1.jpg]]. Thanks. Thumbs up to your manga edits. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 06:32, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

:It doesnt' actually bother me that much. I was bad at it when I first started too. (the wiki still has a bunch of un-credited images from it's early days before we cracked down on adding copyright info, we fix 'em as we see 'em)

:Spengler just had a LOT, so I fixed what I could find. I think I hit about 80% of 'em, and I'm willing to call it a day.

:Go forth and sin no more my son. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:37, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Not a problem. I was used to uploading pics in the regular Wikipedia, which had a drop-down bar on the uploading screen which allowed you to select specific copyright options. So when I found no such thing on this wiki I figured "Oh, guess it doesn't matter?" But yeah, not a problem. I'll start adjusting all my pics from now on. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 06:55, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

: Thank you! o^.^o -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:03, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, just went through my entire "User Contributions" list and added the copyright info to every single picture I've posted on this wiki, so we should be square. Thanks for getting so many of em for me.--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 07:16, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

==Notes==
:Ah, Speng? You don't have to add a series title after a profile's name if the name has never been used by another character. That's why people move some of the pages you make, like Predaking, Tigerhawk, etc - there aren't any other guys with those names, so the tagging is redundant.

:Also, the point of the italics at the opening section... it's supposed to be a one-sentence thing about what continuity they're in (like "so-and-so is a (faction) during the (whatever)"). The descrptive part after that (where the name gets bolded) is not italicized.

:When all else fails, default to [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Sunstreaker Sunstreaker] or [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Hot_Rod Hot Rod] for formatting - they're our formatting example boys.

:(And, er... this is just a personal point of view, but we don't require ''everything'' to be jokey/sarcastic. Feel free to be informative without mirth.)

:I apologize if I'm being blunt about this, but I felt the points worth mentioning. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 22:48, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

*No prob. It's taking me longer to get the hang of this than I tought. The (BWG1OCUC) crap is half me not thinking about it/half me thinking there was someone in another story with the same name. I'll hold back on those more often.

And the jokes, well, I'm just naturally a jokey kinda guy and one of the things Sipher stressed to me in the PM he sent requesting my help was "Just make em funny". If I've gone past the territoy of "funny" and into "obnoxious" I'll give it a rest, no sweat. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:52, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm faintly apalled that someoen other than me recognized lyrics to a rap song that onyl appeared ont he B-side of a movie soundtrack from the late 80's. -20:56, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

*I'm one of the four people on the planet who actually owned a copy of the Ghostbusters II soundtrack. You are in an exclusive club, Mister! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 21:05, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

:Then I'm probably the only person to reques this song on the radio, only to learn at a tender age that they only play singles. (This is probably a precursor to my only listenign to alternative radio that plays b-side tracks today, actually.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:55, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

==Seiyu==
I'm happy someone else is interested in seiyu. Most of the Transformers actors were listed individually in the [http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/4813010946/ Transformers: Generations] book. Some of the Laserdiscs and DVD sets also had cast info. Although sometimes some info condradicts other sources. The [http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/4861760364/ First Series Complete] lists many of The Rebirth dub actors (which I haven't been putting in here for the most part, so not to confuse people). The [http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/4902314282/ Micron Legend Year Book] lists virtually ''every'' character and voice from the series.

As for dubs of American movies, you might try [http://www.tora-2.com/index.html tora-2.com]. I got a few hits for the [http://www.google.co.jp/search?q=%83S%81%5B%83X%83g%83o%83X%83%5E%81%5B%83Y&hl=ja&btnG=Google+%8C%9F%8D%F5&domains=tora-2.com&sitesearch=tora-2.com DVD version of Ghostbusters] there.

If you want, I could try posting my giant (Japanese language) seiyu list on one of our talk pages or something. [[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 03:34, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

:...Speng is going voice actors? Sweet. 'cuz I dont' think I'll ever get back to [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_thread/thread/598c878dfd2f833c/9d29f063307b01fa?lnk=st&q=&rnum=2#9d29f063307b01fa this].

:(The link at the bottom also contaisn goodness) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:29, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh hey, you read Japanese, dont' you Speng? Which way am I supposed to read Doug's list relative to [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_thread/thread/598c878dfd2f833c/9d29f063307b01fa?lnk=st&q=&rnum=2#9d29f063307b01fa these pages?]
The way I'm doing it now makes Rhinox a pretty girl, and that doesn't seem right somehow. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

==Matrices==
Hey, Speng? Did you see [[Talk:Matrix_of_Leadership#Fire_Convoy|this discussion]] we had on Japanese Matrices? Given that both Lio Convoy and Fire Convoy specifically had an "Energon Matrix", I'm wondering if that's what Primal and Big Convoy were also supposed to have... I don't have any good Neo-specific books, though, and Big Convoy's instructions only call his device a "Matrix" (with no qualifiers). I DO have a book that's basically Cine-Manga of the BW2nd movie... maybe that would specify what Primal's is.

(Also, I continue to doubt the existence of the "Hyper Convoy" thing beyond it being something Star Upper once called himself.)

What do you think about all this? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 02:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Personally, the name "Leadership Matrix" never really sat well with me, as it was just sorta "made-up" as a means to differentiate it from the Matrix of Leadership. I wouldn't object to Leadership Matrix being changed to "Energon Matrix", since that's the name that's most commonly seen.

As for Hyper Convoy, that I really know little on, as I haven't had the pleasure of reading the Neo manga. I wrote the article-itself based on what I was told happened in the Neo manga. I honestly don't recall a single use of the term in any of the BW animation, though my memory of some of that show is a bit sketchy. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 02:39, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

==BWII Ships==
The Predacon ship in Beast Wars II has the incredibly unfortunate title of "Galvaburg II" - as in Hindenburg, one assumes. Which really makes one wonder what happened to the "Galvaburg I", and why Galvatron would decide to use that name ''again''.

The Maximal ship is the "Yukikaze", which I think literally means "snow wind" - however, since the name is rendered in katakana and not kanji, it doesn't get translated for the article title (a la Majin Zarak not being Demon Zarak). --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 22:04, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

== Speakin' of translating Manga ==

I've got a BW2 roleplaying book that has a bunch of BW2 omake (and a short left-to-right manga) in it. woulds you be interested in translating? (I've become more interested in documenting the omake since learning that FMA integrated a bunch of the manga's omake in the anime-- they may be AU-- but they're still cannon.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

:...a ...roleplaying... book? Like a sourcebook for a system or like a gamebook or what? I'm totally interested in this, as a retired RPG fag. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 03:45, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

If the kanji has furigana, and it's big-enough for me to see, then sure, I can give it a go. You can e-mail me the scans (or put em on photobucket, whichever). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 04:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

:If this is what I think it is, it's not a role-playing book in the sense of being an RPG stats book, but rather the book about ''how to play with your toys'' that I bought at BotCon. Like, "LioConvoy is captured under the desk! Pick a Cybertron with high stats to defeat Starscream and BB (assuming you own them)!" --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 23:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

*Good gravy... --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
::Japanese kids aren't expected to be very creative, I guess. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 23:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

....Wow. I kind of want a copy of it EVEN MORE now. That sounds in-fucking SANE. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 02:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

==Nemesis==
Hey, Speng. Just watched a boatload of BW2nd clips on youtube, and I noticed that... Galvatron's Nemesis appears to devour both Jupiter and Saturn. Sucked 'em up like a vaccuum cleaner. I don't have any context for when these events happened, but they definitely seem worthy of adding to the Nemesis's fiction section. Do you know where the info would go? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 13:42, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

*I believe it happened at the point where the Nemesis was looming menacingly over everyone's heads, figuratively, as Galvatron had summoned it to Gaia. It took, like, a thousand episodes to freaking GET THERE. But yeah, that IS significant. heck, there's even a screencap of the thing sucking Saturn at the [[Nemesis (BWII)]] article. I'll add it into the summary. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 16:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

==PD Type and G2 Manga Brat==

Hey speng, what were [http://www.tfarchive.com/comics/japanese/superdeformed.php?dgallery_show=deformed/SDComicTrans01.jpg these] packed in with? Theyr'e (c) 1990, which is why I asks. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:35, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

*Looking at my copy of Generations it would appear to be "gum pack toys". Tiny super deformed toys bearing the likeness of the PD Type comic characters came in tiny packs with gum, the manga and a character bio "interview". I did a quick article on it here: [[Transformers PD Type]]. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 05:02, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

And here's an archive of the comics online (untranslated, of course): [http://www.ne.jp/asahi/transformer/dinobase/etc/pdtf/pdtf_index.htm Kabay]. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 05:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

:You are cool, and punctual.
:What's [http://www.emopanda.com/JP.rar this kid's] name? I want to give him a page. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:59, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

*Looks like his name is "Junpei". No last name that I could find. "The Earth is in Danger" is actually next on my list to translate. Now that I've scanned over it more thoroughly looking for that punk's name, maybe I'll get to work on it this week... --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 05:44, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

==I'ma Questionin' Yer Thinkin'==
What's your source for the trivia over on [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]]' Japanese name? I know it's from somewhere given that you put it in, I just want to know where.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 04:26, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

:If Nevermore said it, I'd take his word for it considering how meticulously he researches... everything. So the article's probably fine.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 04:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

::Doug Dlin also has said so as well. There is also a Kinnikuman/Ultimate Muscle UFO character called '''The Adams''' (Ski Adams in the U.S.) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinnikuman_Nisei_characters].

==Capitalisation Question==
Hey man, thanks for the punctuation clean-up on my new [[Scale]] article; much appreciated. Just one question though, is it actually a rule that one has to decap all the Unicron "He"s and "Him"s? It is the appropriate usage for a god, after all... Let me know, ta, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

*Hmm I think you might have me confused with someone else. I don't recall doing that. Sorry. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 00:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

== Translatin' request ==

[[Talk:Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Neo (manga)|here]] -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:36, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Insert formula here

==Primitives?==

Do we need to tag all of those characters as such? It's pretty continuity-specific, which bugs me though maybe also applies to some existing tags. But it also is a really arbitrary descriptor. The "Primitives" in COTP were basically just the TFs with animal altmodes, and as such this category would include only those Transformers who existed at the time AND were included in the episode. This makes for quite a few characters who SHOULD fit in the category but arbitrarily won't, and even more so makes for a category that... basically means nothing.

Are we also going to make "Cars", "Trucks", "Helicoptors", and "Tanks" categories? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 05:01, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:The difference here is that "Primitives" is a specifically-named group. Also, I believe all the Transformers Spengler put in the category actually do belong there, unlike the person who originally made the page and threw in characters from UT and BW. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 05:35, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

What he said. "Primitives" doesn't apply to every animal Transformer, but just the ones that were summoned by the Oracle in "COTP". --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 11:59, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

:Well, like I said, then, that's a category that only applies to one very specific storyline in one particular continuity. Do we need a category like that? Is there a precedent; some other category that's similar that's been done already? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 13:32, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

:As I said on Category talk:Primitives the first time around, I think making a category for the primitives is unnecessary. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:36, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

== Title Translations Por Favor ==
<nowiki>
[[Beast Wars 2 Guidebook]],
[[Beast Wars Neo Guidebook]],
[[Beast Wars Special Super Lifeform Transformers Guidebook]],
[[Masterforce Guidebook]]</nowiki>

I'd like a more 'proper' title on these guys if you could (especially sicne I own another MAsterforce guidebook) feel free to move the page if you can come up with one. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:04, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

==About the Metros images==

I dunno your level of Photoshoppery, but would it be possible for you to cut the "main" images of the guys from their backgrounds onto solid white? I would, but I'm in the middle of another art project and really shouldn't even be letting myself get as distracted with wikiwork as I am now. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:08, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

:I'm not particularly good, but I'll try my hand at one of em. Hopefully I won't make it look any worse. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:11, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

:Well, I did [[Metrotank]], but ugh, I'm not very good at this. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:18, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

== source for Japanese G2 instruction manga images ==

Where did you get the images of the manga printed on the G2 instructions? If you still have the unedited ones as well as the actual instructions I'd like to host them on my site.

Also, do you know how to get in contact with Rik Ruff? he's the only one I know who ever had Car Robots instruction scans. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 20:51, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

== Foreign titles ==

Per your post on my talk page, I have ceased my deletions. I thought I was following the example set on the Revenge of the Fallen talk page. There Walky, had stated that foreign titles shouldn't be listed if they were simply a direct translation. I thought that was the consensus and was simply trying to catch examples that had fallen through the cracks. Apparently I was wrong, and I apologize for acting prematurely. Perhaps it is time to examine this policy. I will, of course, follow any decision made. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:30, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:That's fine. We've been discussing it in a thread over at the Allspark forums and a few good points have been brought up. For instance, if we remove all the Japanese titles that translate to being the same as the English one, but leave the Japanese titles for episodes where they translate differently, we'll end up looking like we have an incomplete record of foreign episode titles, rather than just omitting ones that aren't different enough. We could try and adjust things, like moving foreign titles down from the top of each article and into their own section, or perhaps something else. It's a decision that's not quite so cut and dry, certainly. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 15:24, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::If I may be pardoned for butting in, I'd say a good rule of thumb for this English-centric wiki would be that foreign-language titles should always included for completeness when the original title isn't in English, as this technically makes the English translation the foreign title. When the original language for the title is English, foreign titles can be omitted if they are essentially straight translations.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:19, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::But what Speng was saying-- that means you don't know if the title was omitted because it's never been translated, or simply because it's the same. Simple absence makes it impossible to know if this represents "work to be done" or "work already done." -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:22, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::What about adding a list of languages that the episode has appeared in with the different titles noted there? For example if an episode had appeared in French, Russian, and Japanese the sentence might read "Translated into French, Russian (Title Unknown), and Japanese (Different Title). A footnote would indicate that the French title was a direct, literal translation. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:34, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Personally, I just think it's "neat" info to have on the wiki. Even if "Krieg der Dinobots" directly translates into "War of the Dinobots", I like the idea of having the foreign spelling available for reference just for the sake of having such information. It's even nicer in Japanese, since we get to have the Japanese characters present for reference. I wouldn't mind compromising with an "International titles/names" section down with the notes, if having the redundant titles up at the top of the page bugs people. I just don't like the idea of losing information, even if its trivial. I don't want to lose "Krieg der Dinobots" even if it means "War of the Dinobots". So far as Germany is concerned, the title is "Krieg der Dinobots", not "War of the Dinobots". I can't think of any other place that would keep such a comprehensive list of foreign spellings of names and titles, and it gives us one more thing to flaunt. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 17:37, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::I don't see how it even IS information. If the title in a foreign language is simply a direct translation, then effectively it is the SAME title. The spelling in that other language is irrelevant, and (to me) uninteresting. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:30, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::It would BE info for those that are interested in the linguistics of things. I'm with Spengs on keeping the info, not just for posterity's sake, but for completion of the Wiki. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 23:57, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

==Thank you==
You, sir, are a [[Primus|God]] among men for translating the [[Asterisk Story|Binaltech Asterisk]] stuff for [[Blaster (G1)|Broadblast]] and updating his article. I've been trying to get that stuff translated for two years. I'd like to award you 5 [[Robot Point]]s in recognition of your achievements.
[[User:G1MarvelBlaster|G1MarvelBlaster]] 14:47, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
:Just figured I oughta get that info documented before it disappears from the internet and we lose it forever ala Rise of the Chevy Autobots text stories. But glad you enjoyed em! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:19, 22 October 2009 (EDT)

==Beast Wars II and Neo logos==
Think either you or the others could dig up clean logos of both series so we can put them into their navigation templates? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 02:44, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

:Depends on how big you want em, I suppose. There's a BWII one [http://tfarchive.com/cartoons/info/profiles_beast_wars_2.gif Here] and a BWNeo one [http://tfarchive.com/cartoons/info/profiles_beast_wars_neo.gif Here] (and a BWReturns one [http://tfarchive.com/cartoons/info/profiles_beast_wars_returns.gif Here]), but they're only 120x65, which is kinda small. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 11:33, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

::Ay... Any scans of magazine articles or books with their logos? Heck, even the VHS covers. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 17:12, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Well, I suppose you could always use the intro screencaps from Bigbot, but you'd have to chop the watermark off the bottom ([http://bigbot.com/beast_wars_2/pictures/cartoon_tv_show/Transformers_BeastWars_2.jpg BWII], [http://www.bigbot.com/beast_wars_neo/bwneo.jpg BWNeo]). Given their quality, you might be better off just making your own screencap from a You Tube video, though. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 17:34, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

==Kanji?==
Hey, Speng. Do you have the original Japanese name for [[Energy Planet X]]? Just for completeness. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:29, 9 November 2009 (EST)
:Here ya go: エネルギー惑星X (enerugii wakusei X). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 11:31, 9 November 2009 (EST)
::Thanks. I wasn't sure if they were using English words or Kanji. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:37, 9 November 2009 (EST)

==BWR dates==
Have we got a broadcast schedule for the Beast Wars Returns episodes? Any of them? The DVD release? If you don't feel like dealing with the calendar, I'll do it, just throw me the info. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:31, 18 December 2009 (EST)
:Jim just hit me up with the same question a few minutes ago. I checked Japanese Wikipedia and another Japanese Beast Wars info site, [http://www.ne.jp/asahi/transformer/dinobase/e_index.htm DinoBASE], and they both only gave me the month and year the series began airing on TAKARAND and Cartoon Network Japan, but no proper airdate listings. It's possible that the Japanese DVDs may include the information in liner notes or what have you, but you'll have to hook up with someone who owns them (Buster Darkwings at the Allspark does, I believe). But I dunno if those DVDs actually ''have'' that info. Sorry. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 16:37, 18 December 2009 (EST)
::If you sift through the lists there are some dates given for each episode [http://anime_list.at.infoseek.co.jp/list/2004/11.html here] (just progress the month/year to get to the rest), but I'm not sure how accurate they are. --[[User:Jon T|Jon T]] 08:38, 19 December 2009 (EST)
:::Many thanks. I went through each month, matched the titles with the ones here to make sure the Japanese episode order was the same as the Western one and posted all the airdates on Sipher's talk page. The month listings matched up with when I know the show premiered in Japan and the airdates were consistent with each other, so the site's listings look legit to me. Thanks again! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 09:20, 19 December 2009 (EST)

== Zone catalogues ==

A question for you, my good man. [http://tfarchive.com/comics/gallery.php?g2_itemId=14997 This page here] has something about Deathsaurus on it. I wonder, could you give it a bit of an ol' translate to confirm a suspicion I have - that ''this'' might have been the source of the comment in the [[Generation_1_cartoon_timeline_(Japan)|Kiss Players timeline]] that Deathy came back to life after ''Victory''. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:27, 1 February 2010 (EST)

:Sure thing. It might have to wait until I get home from work so I can use a program to zoom in on the itty bitty text, though. I vaguely recall that it was just a recap of Victory, leading into Zone, but now I'm not entirely certain. I'll let you know tonight. '''--Spengs (at work, can't log in)'''

Alright. Holy crap. This is it, McFeely! I totally glossed over the page as nothing but a recap of Victory when it was a completely original story AND the one mentioned in the Kiss Player timeline (how freakin obscure can you get?). While the word "resurrected" isn't used, Deathsaurus is indeed referred to as the "Dark Emperor" ("Ankokutaitei"). And while Energon Z is not mentioned specifically, Deathsaurus DOES lead an attack on the Micro Zone which, presumably, contained Energon Z as it did in the Zone OVA.

Here are my complete translations of the page:

1. "Darkness Emperor Deathsaurus lead his underlings in an offensive against the Micro Zone." 

2. "Terrible! Emergency dispatch! Go, Micro Transformer Team!" 

3. "At this rate, the Micro Zone will be destroyed!" 

4. "Micro Transformers and Destrons have an incredible battle. But the Micro Transformers put forth a tremendous effort and the Destrons are driven away." 

5. "The Micro Transformer Team earns a tremendous victory. After this, the combined power of everyone in the Micro Zone continue to defend! You can do it!" 

:Oh-ho yes! The team of McFeely and Spengler is unstoppable! *dramatic pose* - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:36, 2 February 2010 (EST)

== Fast Action Beast Wars! ==

Time for another McFeely-Spengler double-headed crazy Japanese mystery solver! [http://snakas.web.fc2.com/07movie/fab_optimus.html Here's an article about Fast Action Battlers Prime] at Autobase Aichi, which includes information about what the heck ''Beast Wars'' has to do with all of this. The section of text which follows the large collection of images of Prime seems to explain what the deal was (something to do with the BW Telemocha series, I think), and then there's a section further down about the back of the package that seems to say a little more about it. We can crack this! And by "we", I do mean "you". :) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:54, 25 February 2010 (EST)
:Well, it's the next best thing to having the action Japanese packaging to investigate. But to be fair, who the Hell would want to import some FABs from Japan just to get the box? There's a lotta text there, so this may take me a bit, but I'll endeavor to see if there's anything good in there. The section "日本での展開" (Development in Japan) seems to have all the Beast Wars info in it. Let's see if there's anything good...--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:22, 25 February 2010 (EST)
::Didn't take me as long as I thought, though you might be disappointed in hearing that there isn't really any "fiction" to go with this, at least not of any real substance.
Apparently, beginning with the Telemocha release of TM-11 Tigatron, they decided to cross-promote the Beast Wars Telemocha series with the FAB series, in print ads and on toy packaging. It sounds like this was done to give the toys some additional play value and to encourage kids, hungry for the Movie toys, to pick up those weird animal Transformers from ten years ago that they'd never heard of. The "fiction" was just a single packaging blurb, reproduced (or perhaps summarized) in the last sentence of that paragraph. It reads: "The story is that on the stage of the Beast Wars (Planet Energoa), a mysterious army of vehicles (Movie characters) have crossed from beyond space-time and attacked, beginning a battle between animals and vehicles."
So yeah, no "text stories" or anything like that. Just a packaging blurb to get kids who were crazy for the Movie to look into some repaints of ten year-old toys. We can probably take that bit off the front page's "wishlist", now. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:42, 25 February 2010 (EST)
:::Curious. So do you render 競演 as "cross-promotion", then?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 18:48, 25 February 2010 (EST)
::::Wha? "Kyouen"? The part about the contest? No...that's not the part I was talking about, so much. The article says that the two series shared various advertising in catalogs and such, and a magazine contest, but I didn't see anything describing lengthy text stories which is what we're looking for. The storyline as the article describes it is the same as it was described in the KP Timeline and nothing new. "Cross promotion" was my word for it, not a translation, but isn't that what this is? Telemocha and the FAB lines promoting one another by crossing over? If there's anything about deeper fiction in there that I missed, by all means, let me know since you're more fluent than I am. But I don't think I misinterpreted it that badly...? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:59, 25 February 2010 (EST)

It might be lame, but it's another win for the Spengler-McFeely team. :D - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:07, 25 February 2010 (EST)

:::::I wasn't asking if there was any lengthy text; I visited the page myself and figured out much the same thing you did. The only term used that puzzled me was 競演, which my dictionary sources render as "recital contest". This doesn't make any sense to me, and I couldn't find any alternate interpretations right off before you posted your response. Your use of "cross-promote" seemed to match the same point in context where the original uses 競演, though it seems I misinterpreted you on that point. (If anyone here has the DVD that came with TM-11 Tigatron, maybe they can describe the segment with the BW and FAB characters interacting (or post it to YouTube or something), since that's also supposed to be 競演, and we can get a better idea of what the term means in this context.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 19:09, 25 February 2010 (EST)
::::::''Ohhhhhh.'' I wasn't sure what you were getting at for some reason so I kinda got all worried that I might have catastrophically misinterpreted something. ''Phew''. I got that as "recital contest", too, but interpretted it as just being a part of a contest in a print magazine. The bit about the TM-11 Tigatron DVD seemed to just point toward the toys cohabiting a diorama in an advertisement, though if there's anything cool in there aside from toys standing around together, I would also like to see it. Storywise, though, I don't think there was anything more to the crossover aside from some pakaging and catalog background, though. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 19:13, 25 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::Sorry, guess I picked my words poorly.
:::::::''just being a part of a contest in a print magazine''
:::::::I considered that, but I couldn't resolve that interpretation with the fact that there's a diorama story of a recital contest (or whatever it is) included on that DVD.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 21:06, 25 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLIYvk76sNc This] is all I could find on YouTube. I'd check my TM-12 or TM-13 DVDs for anything more but they're in another town. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 09:55, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::As for "recital contest", [[Wikipedia:Discography_of_the_Devil_May_Cry_series#Devil May Cry 4 Original Soundtrack|Wikipedia]] translates it as "play opposite". Take that as you will. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:00, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::::I have every TM release except the Ultra 2-pack and TM-13 Motorarm, and am more than willing to post any recordings from them that you might need. Since it looks like you need TM-11 and 12, I'll go ahead and do those for now.--[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 14:21, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::Hey, that'd be great. I'm hoping that there's more to it than the video Interro posted, which was just two separate commercials for FABs and the Telemocha toys. I didn't notice any "diorama" to speak of, so I'm hoping there's more. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 14:25, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:::There is indeed more to it. There is a diorama, though I'm not sure I would describe it as a recital. Anyway here are the two videos: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiWA291oYn0 TM11] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzBCVv-bXIE TM12]
:::They're currently set to private non-YouTube user so you should be able to see it as long as you're one of the first 25 to click the link. Which there's no reason you shouldn't be. But if there is an issue with seeing the video, let me know. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:56, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::::Hmmm, I must not have been one of the first 25. I tried viewing it while logged in and logged out of my You Tube account, and both times it wouldn't let me see it. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:18, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:::::Whoops. My fault, I didn't have it set-up right. Needed to check the "Limited URL" check box and get the special link. Try [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=PiWA291oYn0&sharing_token=E-xWvrcpHagjzkYLdkqp5w] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=TzBCVv-bXIE&sharing_token=efwutVSJFsou9kOQSrDNMA] --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 18:43, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::::::Hmmm. I'm getting "invalid secret token", now. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 19:30, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::Ok, neglected to save the changes to the videos. I updated the links in my last edit and confirmed that they work. Sorry for the inconvience. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 19:39, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::And this is why the wiki community is awesome. It's all a learning experience! Seems like Motorarm's DVD would have covered the final FABs (Megatron and Brawl)... Hmm, I would say there's merit enough here to describe some of the content of these little staged fights in the respective characters' sections. "Tigatron once totally shot Starscream in the face, because God told him to." - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:05, 26 February 2010 (EST)
Okay, that's cooler than the other side of the pillow. Nice to see that there actually IS some meat to this crossover. Not much, more like a single slice of bologna, but the fact that its more than a sentence is comforting. I'll add some of the specifics to the individual characters' fiction sections, even if it just boils down to "Tigatron shot Starscream in the face before Optimus Primal and Optimus Prime double-teamed him". Thank you, Tigerpaw! This is the sort of obscure holy grail stuff the Wiki thrives on! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:12, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:Almost seems to me like they could be under a header of their own on the Movie character pages. "Toy bios" seems wrong, since it's... not in the bios. "Beast Wars Telemocha Series storyline" or "shorts" or something (and use that title for the BW character pages too). Because very little of this actually seems to ''involve'' the FAB toyline... it's just a blurb there, but there's actual shorts over in Telemocha... "Beast Wars Telemocha/Fast Action Battlers crossover"...? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:24, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::Hmmm, point taken. What should the storylink go to? The Japanese timeline as we have it now? The FAB article? The Telemocha article? Storylinks to BOTH the FAB and the Telemocha article? I am vexed. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:28, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:::As for section titles, each of these videos begins with the title "Diorama Story", so maybe we should go with "Beast Wars Telemocha/Fast Action Battlers Diorama Story"...? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:29, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::::Maybe we ought to just make an article about that and use that as the story link! That would probably merit investigating the precise content of the other DVDs to see if they have "Diorama Stories" on them, even if they don't have the movie characters in them. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:31, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:::::If nobody else does: I've got all of the DVDs (except for Tigatron and the Ultras). I just don't have access to them till next weekend. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:36, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::::::That's fine, I think I can contain myself until then. I don't own any of the DVDs, myself, so if someone who does could make a "skeleton article" for them, I can flesh them out with the diorama story portions (as they're made available to me). Not much meat to these things, so one article with fiction segments detailing each diorama battle should be appropriate. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:39, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::I can look into this tomorrow/later today. I can also get more of the videos uploaded, if there are more. Since Interrobang has all but Tigatron and I have all but Motorarm, we just need to find a source for the two pack. If all else fails, I do plan to pick it up eventually. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 00:58, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::Ditto. I can get the two now if anybody can point me in the direction of a store that sells both. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:19, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::By the way, Tigerpaw, it's not a two-pack. That's the ''[[Beast Wars Reborn]]'' one. That one has the remolded heads and their own CD. The ''Telemocha'' Ultras are sold separately, having more show-accurate colors but the molds' original heads. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:21, 27 February 2010 (EST)
Ah, thanks for correction Interrobang. I forgot those were separate. I've put up a rough skeleton which Mr. McFeely speedy deliveried to [[Transformers: Beast Wars Diorama Story|Beast Wars Diorama Story]]. I based the episode order on the disc/case numbers but I don't know if that's the correct way to do it. The numbering of the discs/cases doesn't follow that of the figures, the discs that come with the Ultras have two numbers on them, and numbers 16-19 are skipped entirely. I've put both the disc number and figure ID number in the titles for the YouTube videos: [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=YHZsjq-ulZk&sharing_token=b2YUF4Rj91ZFCGnfFrJ82g TM1], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=RM8M2PsqggI&sharing_token=cEdj4-2J1XKqrpEDDqFM2A TM2], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=IGxfvP-I6p0&sharing_token=_WOV62896tW0dpFFX898pg TM3], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=4aab9RqCHjU&sharing_token=VoZRUWo71wezjlgdNxPx8A TM4], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=sI0kBYAierw&sharing_token=FbPzwWEBbhEmrHDXcuuvYA TM5], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=CLekVHeuavo&sharing_token=9BW7U3JH1nXNXAjQV0EAMA TM6], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=Ge82snpIbLU&sharing_token=p_xvr-WxyyRy7B94kSBZIQ TM7], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=LDqrdggv7mQ&sharing_token=5O7dFKYo_lu09peLv7-3-g TM8], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=gPHuJW5BuAg&sharing_token=5_8JEkBYhmQNusJjfAwimA TM9], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=YMCIk-vYfaA&sharing_token=9Wsi6FzbF6FpGsHr2eZzlQ TM10]. The previous two have had their titles updated. The disc numbers for Ultra Convoy are 1 and 15, Ultra Megatron are 13 and 14 and Motorarm is 21. I've upped the video compression this go-round so I could upload the videos faster. If it's too much, I can upload better versions. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 21:27, 27 February 2010 (EST)
Come to think of it, I think figure ID might be the right way to do it, because you end up with 5 episodes in between the ones involving the FABs the other way. Going to go change that. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 21:38, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:Yeah, I was just casting my eye over it and was going to say the same thing. The little two-man fights showcased in each of these come in pairs reflected by the order of release as well. The numbers on the disc seem very random! Probably worth mentioning in a note.
:(this is awesome)
: - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:40, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::Alright, you guys rock! I'll get to work on gleaming the "story" from these things, though I fear it won't be more than "one time Gimlet joined the Predacons and became Tigatron's rival for five minutes and then everything went back to normal". But we love this shit, anyway. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 21:42, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:::Oh, hey, I just got it - the numbers on the discs are the numbers of the actual BW cartoon episodes that are on them (per the Japanese broadcast order, rather than the American one). That's why there are two numbers on the discs with the Ultra figures. Probably means there aren't two Diorama Stories on those ones. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 13:32, 28 February 2010 (EST)

Okay, I've filled out the [[Transformers: Beast Wars Diorama Story|Beast Wars Diorama Story]] article up through Gimlet's chapter. If you guys ever get the last three chapters, just post the video links here and I'll write them up. Thanks! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 14:18, 4 March 2010 (EST)
:Up high, my man. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 14:57, 4 March 2010 (EST)
::Excellent. Interrobang will probably have access to the last three sooner than I will. But I'm willing to help with getting them ripped and uploaded if needed. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 16:16, 4 March 2010 (EST)
===Interrobang uploads===
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t-WVHVQaQk Transformers: Beast Wars Diorama Story, Motorarm Hen]! 10th Anniversary Tarantulas makes a cameo. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:11, 4 March 2010 (EST)
:[http://www.youtube.com/user/Ittecap TM-SP DX Megatron]. It's just a "Character Data File" on "Megatron Energon Power Mode". The direct link is [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1B9M5N4wLY here], but you can only access it on my user account page at the moment. Scans of the catalog would be interesting, as they have power plans for Convoy and Megatron, plus some text snippets of the FAB thing, but I don't have a scanner on hand. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:34, 15 March 2010 (EDT)
::DX Convoy's up. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:05, 15 March 2010 (EDT)

== Untranslated PD types ==

So I see that [http://www.ne.jp/asahi/transformer/dinobase/etc/pdtf/pdtf_index.htm this site] has the few PD Type mangas we don't have translations for up in Japanese. Hint hint! ;) You probably knew this already, but I only just happened to click the link and find the site today. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:06, 9 March 2010 (EST)
:Heh. Yeah, they've actually been looming over my head for a while. They're really hard to translate because the scans are so poor the characters are hard to make out (and that's just for the strips; you can ''forget'' about the interviews and articles). For all the ones I've done, I had to zoom in with photoshop and basically stare at the blotch of ink until I could figure it out by context and with a kanji fastfinder for visual reference the furigana is pretty much illegible). More work for a one page strip than a ten page comic! I could try and get back on the horse, though. I came only 7 strips away from finishing... --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 16:17, 9 March 2010 (EST)

== Japanese Version sections ==

Could we locate these further down the page? Maybe before Trivia? Notes on the Western version should trump translations, IMO. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:03, 14 April 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah, probably a good idea. I bumped em all down to just above Trivia. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 00:08, 15 April 2010 (EDT)

== Hidehito Ueda ==

Do you want to tackle this Interview with Hidehito Ueda? [[Image:Hidehito Ueda.pdf]] He talks about some of the restrictions thrown at him that frustrated him. I've tried doing things like this before and got the entries "challenged" and the like, I thought you might have better luck. [[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 18:45, 28 April 2010 (EDT)

==vintage TFTM reviews==
If you have access to a college library (or the right public library) you could try a Lexis-Nexis search. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 12:39, 31 May 2010 (EDT)

:Well, I do go to NOVA, so I could ask about that next time I'm on campus. Mignash over at the AllSpark forums dug up a whole bunch for me that I can't go over right now, since I'm at work, but I'll take a look at as soon as I get home. Thanks! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 12:41, 31 May 2010 (EDT)

==Grand Scourge==
# [http://obscuretf.com/tfscans/GrandScourgeBio.jpg Grand Scourge bio], untranslated as far as I know. (I own both the comics, but am not 100% sure where I put them, which is why I never scanned 'em for lonegamer - I scanned the bio ages ago, though.)
# [[Grand Scourge|Uhh...]] what're you going to do about that? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:44, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
:(Wait, you do know there are two model kit comics, right?) --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:48, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
::No, I didn't know about *any* of that (or even the Grand Scourge article we already had). I was going off what scant info both Lonegamer and myself could find; didn't know you had all the stuff sitting around. I'll rework what I wrote, but if you could dig up those comics, that'd be even more helpful. Thanks! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 12:52, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
:::I'll see what I can do. Though, I will note - regarding your latest edit summary - that it's not a case of "we know he's a separate character from Nemesis Prime" so much as "there is a complete absence of information on the subject," so we separated them at the time for lack of anything better.

:::I'm half-sure that FantoFan translated the two minicomics way back when, but I don't believe the bio ever was ever done. IIRC, both Prime and Scourge got bios, but I don't think I scanned Prime's out of the assumption it would just be, well, a bio of Optimus Prime. But maybe it'll contain something interesting, so I'll scan it when I do everything else. -- [[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 13:11, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
::::The bio sure isn't worth much:
::::''Destron Dark Commander: Grand Scourge
::::''A mysterious warrior who attacks the Cybertron forces out of nowhere. Though his form is identical to Grand Convoy's he is ruthless and will do whatever it takes to win. His mighty Drill Arm punctures even extremely heavy armor. Just what is the truth behind Scourge!?''
::::In short: He's strong, ruthless, evil and looks just like Prime/Convoy. No one knows where he came from or who he really is. Nothing we couldn't tell from the package illo.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 18:07, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
::::Monzo is correct-- [http://www.fantofan.jp/fan/comic/fansub/modelkit-gc/model%20kit%20main.htm the comics were translated,] and unhelpful.
:::: Frankly as his ''only'' fiction, I want to say that Scourge's unfamiliarity w/ the group "and you must be the Autobots..." is a circumstantial indicator he is not the original Nemesis Convoy. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:46, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::Thanks for the link, Derik! It was lousy having to write up the summary based on the first page of Part 1, info gleamed from Japanese wiki and whatever was on the Ground Scourge article. I filled the article out completely now. Thanks! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 14:44, 19 September 2010 (EDT)

==Yoketron==
''After donning a set of power-boosting armor, Prowl soon discovered that his newfound powers came at the expense of the land the living things around him (when he inadvertantly destroyed an entire city park).''
:Er... huh? Is there a word missing there? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 21:24, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
::Yeah, I was typing up the character article summaries at work, trying to multitask and not doing it very well, apparently. Lemme fix that... --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:48, 11 September 2010 (EDT)

== Mystery of Convoy manga ==
I have a possible lead on a copy of the magazine this manga was in. Googling the kanji for Comic Bom Bom along with the number 1986 netted me a number of results where people were selling issues of Comic Bom Bom. Including [http://www.mandarake.co.jp/information/buy/zasshi/kodan.html this] one where it talks about a "Family Computer Winter 1986 Special". Since Famicom is short for Family Computer and our page on the game says the manga came out in a December 1986 issue, I'm guessing this might be the one. I'm not sure if the page is up to date, but I thought it worth throwing your way to see if you can follow up on it. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 23:07, 18 September 2010 (EDT)
:Yep, that's definately the issue. I have no idea how to order from that site, though (I've never ordered anything from any Japanese auction or mail order sites). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 00:01, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
::I know we have some people living in Japan. So maybe they could help? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 00:37, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
:::This is what I was thinking. I must've gotten you mixed up with Buster Darkwings, Spengs. Because I had it in my head that you live in Japan. Anyway, he or Hydra may be able to help. I'm willing to throw in some cash to help purchase the book if need be. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 22:32, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
Had to go rooting through a box to confirm my memories, but there are some small scans of six of its pages shrunk down to fit on one page of [[Transformers Visualworks]]. No dialogue and obviously not complete, but there are captions that you might be able to glean something from, maybe enough to knock together a basic article. Someone else is using my scanner right now, but I'll get you the page when it's free. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 09:01, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
:That'd be great! It'll certainly suffice until someone decides to be charitable, buys the book and sends me complete scans. So, basically, the Visualworks thumbnails are likely the best we'll ever get. Thanks! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 10:50, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
::[http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/4093/mysteryofconvoymanga.jpg Here ya go]. It's good and big! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:51, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
:::JAWESOME. I'm gonna need my kanji fastfinder to read a lotta dat, so it'll have to wait until I'm home from work. Looking at it, though, I have a feeling that's the ENTIRE manga. Just a how-to that goes through the boss battles of each stage, giving protips. A shame the dialogue's not there, but anything's better than nothing! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 14:57, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
::::Man, that'd be awesome if it was. I thought it was only a sampling because I assumed those the header numbers denoted pages 1, 2, 4, 5, 7 and 9, but actually bothering to translate the katakana, I see they're for the STAGES, so if the manga didn't do every stage... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:13, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::Hm, crud, it DID skip stages, now that I'm looking at it. Well, I'll give the text a deciphering and see if it says anything about the thumbnails being complete or not. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 15:16, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::Mmn, but those shown ''are'' the only identifiable bosses from the game, 3, 6 and 8 being that giant Decepticon logo, and these pages are quite specifically ''just'' about the bosses. Trypticon is left out, mind you, but that could be a spoiler thing... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:27, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
:Good point. Betcha TX may know something about this, as I recall he's the one who first brought up its existence. I'll give him a ring on his talk page. For better or worse, I WILL get those last two red links off the Manga article! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 16:02, 19 September 2010 (EDT)

== Japanese DVD questions ==
I saw you provided cover scans to TFArchive for some of the Japanese G1 DVD box sets, so I'm hoping you might be able to confirm whether any of the Japanese G1 or BW sets you own contain BW commercials as extras? I'm asking because Brian Ward is looking for commercials and such in the [http://www.shoutfactory.com/community/3306/thread.aspx Beast Wars thread over at the Shout! Factory forum] and I know one of the box sets did have some early US ads. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:12, 9 February 2011 (EST)
:I own the G1 DVD sets, but I'm afraid they don't have any Beast Wars commercials on them. They have a plethora of G1 and even Diaclone commercials, though, but I don't think that's of any use to Shout Factory is they're working on Beast Wars sets... --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:11, 9 February 2011 (EST)
::Thank you very much for confirming Spengs. I knew it didn't make much sense for them to be on the G1 sets but I thought they might originally have been on the Headmasters Laserdisc set and thus that might have followed through to DVD. I'm guessing you'd probably have added the info by now if so, but are any of the G1 ads on those DVDs not covered on the Wiki? --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 18:43, 9 February 2011 (EST)
:::It's been a while since I watched them. All the ones with animation have been covered on the wiki, I know that for sure. Obviously, we haven't covered any of the Diaclone ones (which oddly are a mishmash of commercials featuring Transformer moulds and commercials featuring Diaclone toys that never made it to Transformers, including one very elaborate one with live action actors). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:52, 9 February 2011 (EST)

==Reproganmar & Megsy's friend==
A number of pages mention that [[Megatron's dead friend]] is an ambassador and that his death caused Megatron to restart the war. However, I can't find confirmation of this among the material on TFArchive. Are those two "facts" an interpretation of the one image itself or do they get more substance from another source? 
Also, since you translated "Great Decisive Battle of Planet Beast!", could you confirm the kana of [[Reproganmar]]'s name? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 05:55, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
:The translation on the TFArchive pages are all I know for that material. I think, ''think'', the "ambassador" and "friend" things didn't come from the text-itself, but from the ooooooold TFCyberbon site where the image was originally hosted, in one of Hydra's "reviews" of the page. He said something like "You can really feel for Megatron as he cradles his dead friend in his arms". Something like that and people may have gotten that "review" confused with an actual "translation".
::And "Reproganmar" thing reads in Japanese, "吸熱植物リプロガンマー" (kyuunetsu shokubutsu ripuroganmaa). I originally translated that first part as "Fever Vegetation" but in retrospect that's an incomplete translation. "Heat-sucking Vegetation" would be better (吸 is "to suck/inhale" while 熱 is both "fever" and "temperature"). "Reproganmar", no matter how I tried to rationalize it, just came out as gibberish to me, but if you can see something lingual in there then go for it. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 12:35, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
:::I'm willing to believe from the image that Megatron liked the guy, it's his supposed job and influence on the story I question. So there's nothing at all linking the image to the actual story? That is one note I'm going to hate writing. Much thanks for the help and extra translation (and no, I can't make a word or name out of it either. Looks like "Reprogammer" to me, but that's still gibberish). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 13:41, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

==On scrum-age in Japan==
Apparently it's not just a Masumi Kaneda thing.

[http://obscuretf.com/ScrumLyrics01.jpg http://obscuretf.com/ScrumLyrics01.jpg]

[http://obscuretf.com/ScrumLyrics02.jpg http://obscuretf.com/ScrumLyrics02.jpg]

From the Super Sentai Spirits 2004 concert, the theme songs for "Battle Fever J" and "Goggle V", respectively. (I guess maybe it's not meant to be translated literally? Or maybe the subtitler just wanted the lyrics to flow better...) --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 19:24, 18 May 2011 (EDT)
:That makes sense, thinking about it; "scrum" being used to mean "coming together" rather than a literal rugby scrum. Kinda like how the Japanese use of "pinch" is often translated as "crisis" or "trouble" rather than the literal word. Still, when it comes to things like "scrum-buster", I can't really think of a way to render the intent without making it sound really clunky. And besides, most of the arguments about the use of "scrum" I've gotten on the talk pages here have been people insisting it's supposed to be "scram", short for "scramble power", which just isn't the case. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:38, 18 May 2011 (EDT)

== Out of curiosity... ==

Do you have the scans for the ''Masterforce'' manga laying around? I'm on a ''Masterforce'' kick now and I'd like to review over the manga to potentially complete any pages I've created. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 04:31, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
:No scans, sorry. I own a copy of Transformers: The Comics that has all the vintage TV Magazine manga in it. I only ever scanned for TFArchive the issues that I fully translated. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 10:08, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
::Ah. Thank you for answering, anyway. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:16, 19 June 2011 (EDT)

== Galvatron's "see main article" link ==

Don't we normally have a quick summary write-up of the linked continuity there, in addition to the link? Look on Optimus Prime's page for an example. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:42, 11 September 2011 (EDT)

Keyword being "quick", the edit I undid was huge. Not saying there shouldn't be a short paragraph there, but what that anon wrote wasn't it. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:05, 11 September 2011 (EDT)

== Thanks ==
Hi there. Thank you for your work for [[Brian Cummings]]. Would you find a Picture of [[Dave Fennoy]]? {{unsigned|Mr.Fennoy75}}

== Nathan Fillon Picture ==

Thanks for [[Dave Fennoy]] and his picture. Now we need Nathan Fillion's Picture.
[[User:MrFennoy75|Fen]] 9:30, 12 November 2011 (EST)

== 2 Stupid Dogs ==

Do you remember 2 Stupid Dogs?

:And speaking of dogs, any idea who the third missing dog is? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 22:10, 5 July 2013 (EDT)
::I didn't think we had an article for [[Patch (G1)|Patch]] so I didn't even look. But we DO have an article for Patch because OF COURSE we have an article for Patch! Incidentally, his design on that flyer reminds me of the title character from "The Family Dog", at least in the shape of his head. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:16, 5 July 2013 (EDT)

== Transformers Prime 2-Hour Special ==

For my own future use when I have time to work up the article:

トランスフォーマープライム深夜の完全変形 2時間ペシャル (''Transformers: Prime Shinya no Kanzen Henkei Nijikan Special''; Transformers: Prime Perfect Transformation Late Night 2-Hour Special). [http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xstkzs_%E3%83%88%E3%83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B9%E3%83%95%E3%82%A9%E3%83%BC%E3%83%9E%E3%83%BC%E3%83%97%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%83%A0-%E6%B7%B1%E5%A4%9C%E3%81%AE%E5%AE%8C%E5%85%A8%E5%A4%89%E5%BD%A2-2%E6%99%82%E9%96%93%E3%83%9A%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A3%E3%83%AB-1-3_shortfilms#.UeWB1hgo670 video for part 1] and [http://tf.takaratomy.co.jp/toy/event/2012/tv-tokyo/ the official webpage advertising it] --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 13:39, 16 July 2013 (EDT)

== Thanks! ==

Rhyming is not one of my best points. :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:58, 5 September 2013 (EDT)
:Not a problem! Most of my older rhymes need tightening, too, but I may never get around to redoing them. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 17:04, 5 September 2013 (EDT)

==Oubari==
Spengler, I have had this tweet from Oubari saved with no one to show it to. It seems to mention Transformers in some capacity? It might just be advertising the new DVD set.

https://twitter.com/g1_bari/status/158567583287746560

If nothing else, this seems to be Oubari's official Twitter account. I don't know if you use Twitter or can write conversational Japanese, but maybe we can work out a way to actually get some answers from the horse's mouth... --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:38, 18 October 2013 (EDT)
:A rough translation:
::"Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers DVD Set 1 is being released on the 25th of this month! I drew this jacket myself, and I'm really happy they're using it again (smiley face)."
:I don't have a Twitter account, no. I could write something simple, but I'm afraid I lack confidence in my conversational skills; I'd be worried about whether it would be polite, as I'd hate to come off as rude. A "please excuse my poor Japanese" qualifier doesn't seem very feasible via twitter's limited character length.
:Maybe break it up into two Tweets? A first one with the polite qualifier (済みません,私の日本語は余り良くないです. 私が質問をすることが?) ("Excuse me, my Japanese isn't very good. May I ask a question?") If he consents, then try a second tweet with a specific question, maybe. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 13:35, 18 October 2013 (EDT)

==G.I.Joe vs Tranformers==
Would've funk it? As I was reading those articles you were adding in the information I was actively wondering about. Thanks! [[User:Altercron|Altercron]] 14:15, 6 November 2013 (EST)
:An act of providence, no doubt! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 13:48, 6 November 2013 (EST)
::Indeed. Now I just have to track those down. I've got the vol1 tpb and a copy of issue 1 signed by Blaylock.--[[User:Altercron|Altercron]] 14:20, 6 November 2013 (EST)

==Forum==
Excuse me, but can you give me a link to the forums on this wiki? I'm lost. [[User:BlueSpeeder|BlueSpeeder]] ([[User talk:BlueSpeeder|talk]]) 17:34, 14 November 2013 (EST)
:Forum was a slip of the tongue; my bad. But you'll want to [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers_Wiki:Captions read this] before you go changing captions. New users need to provide meaningful content before they can alter captions. That's a site rule. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 18:08, 14 November 2013 (EST)

==Beastformers==
Spengs, I know you were translating some Beastformer material a while ago; this guy seems to have transcribed all(?) the pack-in pamphlets for the line.

[http://homepage3.nifty.com/redalert/toybox/tf/HM/BF/BFStory01.html http://homepage3.nifty.com/redalert/toybox/tf/HM/BF/BFStory01.html]

[http://homepage3.nifty.com/redalert/toybox/tf/HM/BF/BFStory02.html http://homepage3.nifty.com/redalert/toybox/tf/HM/BF/BFStory02.html]

One of them mentions Repug(nus), so they have some tangential relation to Transformers, at least. (Note that the guy says only one of the pamphlets had a title so he made 'em up for the rest, which might make organization a little difficult...) --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo|talk]]) 19:22, 23 November 2013 (EST)

== I'm not going to do these anymore==
aw c'moooon nobody else is gonna do iiiiit! --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo|talk]]) 15:19, 13 December 2013 (EST)

== The Creation Revoltech! ==

It's a four-panel comic from Figure Oh: [http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/revoltech-movie-optimus-prime-scan-from-figure-king-162-the-creation-revoltech/22465/] [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] ([[User talk:Mimi|talk]]) 11:06, 28 February 2014 (EST)
:Thanks! I'm gonna put that link in an External link section of the article, just so people know what it is for now. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 11:24, 28 February 2014 (EST)
::Could you possibly translate it for us. please? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 14:58, 28 February 2014 (EST)

== Jet packs ==

If you want to do a run down, [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Jet_pack|there you go]] ;) - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 11:28, 14 May 2014 (EDT)

==BW II & Neo==
So you know both J-BW series are now entirely available as raw torrents, right? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo|talk]]) 20:42, 9 July 2014 (EDT)

== G1 Season 5 ==

If it helps: [http://tfraw.blogspot.com/2013/09/transformers-g1-season-5.html] [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] ([[User talk:Mimi|talk]]) 16:10, 31 July 2014 (EDT)
:Oh man! You came to the rescue! I'm gonna tackle these today or tomorrow; should be fun. Thanks for the hookup! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 16:14, 31 July 2014 (EDT)
::Most of the thanks should go to Walruslaw. Dude's collection of the obscure is ''intense''. [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] ([[User talk:Mimi|talk]]) 16:18, 31 July 2014 (EDT)

== Whoops ==

Sorry about that. Was in a hurry, and when I deleted the issue 0 link from the bit I was copy/pasting, I accidentally cut too much! - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 11:21, 14 August 2014 (EDT)
:Sorry if I sounded curt; I didn't mean that as a dig against you! I was just starting to fix some typeos when I noticed I didn't have the opportunity to go after them all. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 11:22, 14 August 2014 (EDT)

== Ssssssspengs ==

There are pics of the Legends pack-in comics scattered about, if I get you links can you maybe get the titlesss...? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 11:52, 13 February 2015 (EST)

:Sho nuff. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 11:53, 13 February 2015 (EST)
::Nobody seems to be scanning these but a reviewer named Tagoal has been photographing them in his reviews, I don't know if you can even get anything from these, they might not even HAVE titles, but they are: [http://tagoal.flxsrv.org/images_2014_02/TFLG_RATTLE/_1610732.jpg #1], [http://tagoal.flxsrv.org/images_2014_02/TFLG_CONVOY/_1620018.jpg #2], [http://tagoal.flxsrv.org/images_2014_02/TFLG_TANKOR/_1660542.jpg #3], [http://tagoal.flxsrv.org/images_2014_02/TFLG_ROADBUSTER/_1670090.jpg #4], [http://tagoal.flxsrv.org/images_2014_02/TFLG_WHIRL/_1000950.jpg #5], [http://tagoal.flxsrv.org/images_2014_02/TFLG_GELSHARK/_1020798.jpg #6], [http://tagoal.flxsrv.org/images_2015_01/TFLG_JETFIRE/_1040782.jpg #7], [http://tagoal.flxsrv.org/images_2015_01/TFLG_TAILGATE/_1050627.jpg #8], [http://tagoal.flxsrv.org/images_2015_01/TFLG_BLAINSTORM/_1060525.jpg #9], and then the three Fembots will be #10-12. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 18:20, 13 February 2015 (EST)
:::Seibertron has some close up pictures for Brainstorm's and Tailgate/Swerve's in their galleries, although not for their gallery of Jetfire. Hope that helps. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:23, 13 February 2015 (EST)
::::Thanks, guys! Well, looking at them, I can see that the issues do not have unique titles, no. The pics are way too small for me to read all the dialogue, but I can make out the top right corner of Page 1 (so the left page) mostly from context. Looks like the yellow block that's slightly diagonal says 出張版 (Business Trip Edition) and the red block says 漫画トランスフォーマーレジェンズ (Transformers Legends Comic). Below that in the white block is the Volume number designations. So the individual titles should probably be "Transformers Legends Comic: Business Trip Edition Vol. 1" and so on. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2015 (EST)

== Transformers Telephone ==

Spengs, as ever, I call upon your linguistic skills! A user has contacted the Wiki through our Tumblr with what are apparently at least some of the Transformers Telephone recordings. Can you [https://www.mediafire.com/folder/gftowokdzksgk/Telephone_Transformers work your magic]? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 18:39, 6 March 2015 (EST)
:Well, I can definitely summarize the dialogue for you. It's pretty simple. But full translations are a little tougher because, I'll be upfront, I have always had a hard time understanding Megatron and ESPECIALLY Teletraan-1 because of all the robo-voice effects they have. I'll see what I can do. The story's pretty dry, though. Just a discussion of new toys/technology from the characters and a battle at Metroplex. This individual wouldn't happen to have the Operation Combination telephone adventures, would he? Now THOSE are a true Holy Grail, what with having all the info on Scrash in them. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 20:13, 6 March 2015 (EST)
::These alone are second-hand, unfortunately. Digging about a bit, it looks like the Fight Super Robot Life-era telphone adventures were included on a CD with the laserdisk series set in Japan, so that must be where these files come from, but they're only a fraction of the number out there. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 20:17, 6 March 2015 (EST)

#1: Scramble City

*Megatron: "Bastards! We'll attack the Autobots one more time. Scramble City will fall to Lord Megatron! Decepticons, attack!"
*(Battle noises)
*Optimus: "Damn you, Megatron! You won't prevail! Autobots, prepare for battle! Activate Scramble City! Transform!"
*(Battle noises)
*Optimus: "We will protect the peace of the universe! Let's go! Autobots, Full Throttle Scramble Power!"
*Megatron: "The Decepticons are invincible! Watch, Prime, as the Decepticons conquer the universe! Ha Ha Ha!"

Not perfect, particularly on Megatron's opening dialogue; but as you can see the adventures aren't too complex. I'll see about doing the rest. -[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 20:31, 6 March 2015 (EST)

== Translation request ==

Hey Spengs, help me out with this Movie Prime mountain I'm trying to climb: [http://decepticons.jp/index03.html this silly little Yokohama Base strip], is there ''any'' explanation in the dialogue about what the movieverse characters are doing there? Are they just ''there'', or at they, like, I dunno, expo statues on display that come to life, or something? Page 4 would be the one to look at I think. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 21:26, 17 May 2015 (EDT)

:It's not entirely clear. Nemesis Prime goes to the TF Expo and mistakes Prime and Bumblebee for "cartoon character costumes". When they attack, he remarks wit surprise that they're "the real thing". The relics present at the expo are all the true relics, too. When he arrives, Nemesis even laments the death of Movie Megatron with a "poor guy...". I mean, by initial appearances, this takes place in the Movie universe. But then Dr. Arkeville is there, and he's a G1 character, and the Prefecture Primes are there, and they're Aligned characters. It's all really silly and without explanation, unfortunately. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 12:15, 22 May 2015 (EDT)

::It's also entirely possible that the comic takes place in Sakamoto's Legends universe, where all these characters from different continuities coexist in a "dreamworld" created by Nijika. But that might be putting too much thought into it. This was probably just meant to be a silly comedy relief comic. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 12:34, 22 May 2015 (EDT)

:::Silly is fine with me! We're pretty good at not taking ourselves too seriously around here, but we need more thinks that laugh at attempts at classification and just ''are''. Many thanks, fellow! :D -[[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]])

Also, is there any possibility that you could translate the "The Creation Revoltech!" comic, since there's nothing on the internet outt there about it? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:42, 17 May 2015 (EDT)

== Beast Wars Metals ==

FYI, I've [[Talk:Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Metals (manga)#Scans|uploaded scans of the entire series]], in case you want to check them over for any details to add or corrections to your summaries. You can also buy the series as an ebook on http://www.ebookjapan.jp/ebj/index.asp, if you prefer. It's less than $5. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:52, 17 July 2015 (EDT)
:Thanks! I was writing those summaries blind, since I was going from the ancient ones on Dave's TF page. His summaries had been edited by Hydra and another Japanese speaker, so I took em on good faith. Thanks for correcting them (and for the scans). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 15:54, 17 July 2015 (EDT)

== Ed Flanders and the Saga of Terror ==

I'm goign through the series for reasons at the moment, and I ''would'' be willing to believe that "A Prime Problem" was animated by a separate studio from the norm - it has "softer" animation, moments of striking smoothness, and that odd "airbrushed" white sheen on metal. I doubt I'll be able to pick out any more by this same group, though Zobovor figured that "Auto Berserk" was by the same crowd as that one. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 12:45, 21 July 2015 (EDT)

::It's really hard to tell who did those 7 episodes since unlike AKOM, the unknown studio doesn't have visual cues that are obvious enough to distinguish it from Toei. I'd like to think that "Kremzeek" was by them, because it has all that really bad Japanese text in it, but that could ''also'' just be an effect of Toei farming out background work to one of the Korean sub-studios. And heck, even "A Prime Problem" has some animation in it that's actually pretty good, while other episodes that look off, like "B.O.T." or "Triple Takeover", don't look a thing like "A Prime Problem". Honestly, since there's no surefire way to be sure which 7 episodes are the non-Toei/AKOM episodes, we'd be better off not guessing. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 15:01, 21 July 2015 (EDT)

== Cloud. ==

I think it's there cause both version of the Cloud guys and versions of the actual cartoon characters show up in those stories. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:55, 27 August 2015 (EDT)
:Ohhhhhhhhh. My bad. There wasn't any text to provide context, so I hadn't a clue. I'll undo. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 17:56, 27 August 2015 (EDT)
::I'm just guessing, myself, since McFeely added the small bits that had been translated for Ironhide's stuff and it was the same sort of deal. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]])

== A question about terminology in a manga ==

I noticed that you are listed as the translator for "[[The New Battle!!]]" May I ask if you happen to have original copies or scans of the manga special in Japanese? I was wondering if in the original Japanese text "Cybertron", "Destron", "Convoy", etc. are used since the translation uses "Autobot", Decepticon", "Optimus Prime", etc. I would think the former as it is a 1990s Japanese work, but I don't have originals to check. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 17:30, 5 January 2016 (EST)
:Although my raw scans were lost when my old computer crashed, I can tell you that they used the Japanese names and terminology for all characters and concepts. Like with all my other thousand year-old translation, I localized the them and used English names and terms. Only other things of note: I mistranslated "Multi Shower Missile" as "March Shower Missile" and feel dumb because of it, and Kenji's radical dialogue was me having a little fun because every other word out of his mouth was "sugei/kakkoi" and just writing "cool/awesome" would have gotten old real fast. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 17:47, 5 January 2016 (EST)
::Alright, thank you! [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 18:11, 5 January 2016 (EST)

== No need to piece together Cloud fiction! ==

[[http://takaratomymall.jp/special/tfcloud/story01_06.html The entire stories]] are available online to read! I believe each of our pages for the Cloud chapters each have a link at the bottom to the appropriate story. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 17:50, 8 March 2016 (EST)