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User:Boba Fett

2009-09-06T21:41:06Z

Boba Fett: /* Favorite Pictures */

Hey, I'm the user called Boba Fett. I'm still something of a newb when it comes to Transformers stuff, so I'm sorry if I mess some story content up. I don't really know much beyond the the two live-action movies. My favorite pages are the Fallen and the Optimus movie page.

==Personal canon==
*Nexus Maximus is/was "[[Anonymous Maximus]]".
*Primus used the Allspark to make the transformers in the movieverse.

==People I'd like in Transformers 3==
*Ultra Magnus
*Hod Rod
*Shockwave
*The Dinobots
*Omega Supreme
*Metroplex
*Tidal Wave

==Favorite Pictures==
[[Image:Timelinestoy-NexusMaximus.jpg|thumb|200px]]
[[Image:UnicronDeathstarII.jpg|thumb|left|200px]]
[[Image:Unicronsingularity.jpg|left|thumb|200px|The cause of - and solution to - all the continuity problems.]]
[[Image:WarWithinPrimus.jpg|200px]]
[[Image:NewDivide-silhouettes.jpg|thumb]]
[[Image:ROTF Optimus sphinx.jpg|thumb|right|200px|After consideration, Optimus decided not to add the Sphinx's face to his collection, but only because it was already damaged.]]
[[Image:RotF The Twelve heads.jpg|thumb]]

Talk:The Fallen

2009-07-13T00:15:53Z

Boba Fett: /* "saturn"? */

That bit about how the Fallen was created by Pat Lee? In the latest edition of Wayward's [http://www.insecticons.com/insecticomics.html Insecticomics] it is said that it was actually Furman who created the character, that Lee just did the design. When I asked her about it, she posted this [http://p206.ezboard.com/fthepaddedcell71381frm19.showMessage?topicID=2995.topic&index=107 transcript] which backs that up. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 14:46, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

OK so I just left line in the trivia, cos I thought it was funny.
* So he's the henchman of a evil being, has mystical supernatural powers, is a badass and is on fire? Someone might want to file a law suit.

Can it stay or should I take it back down?[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 09:33, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

..I don't even get that. [[User:AlwaysWrong|AlwaysWrong]] 22:44, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
:It was removed, it contained a link to the wikipedia article for Ghost Rider[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 09:33, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

==Head==
Anyone notice that his head is very Soundwave-y? When i first saw him, i clearly recognized his head as soundwave's with added badassery.--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 05:35, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

==Disambig time?==
http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/default.cfm?page=News/Item&newsid=59522272-D56F-E112-4C783175A8BBBAD6

Ah-heh.

(SOMEBODY IN THAT MOVIE DAMN WELL BETTER BE ON FIRE.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:39, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

==Fallen, Bludgeon and Megs==

I don't know about Bludgeon, but there is a connection between the Fallen and Megs: IDW Megatron's Cybertronian body is based off of the Fallen, right down to the design of the Fusion Cannon. [[User:GWolfv2]] 21.07 June 11

== Defiance issue 4 Fallen's backstory ==

Defiance issue 4 is out. [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/revenge-of-the-fallen-prequel-comic-defiance-4-provides-potential-movie-spoilers-167267/ TFW2005.com has posted all the Fallen-relevant spoilers from issue 4, but beware, if you're avoiding Defiance, this spoils the Fallen's crazy scheme in the movie]. The backstory for the Fallen seems fairly different to the Fallen we know. So are they still the same guy? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:56, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:Still appears to be a member of the Thirteen, still appears to betray them, still apparently serves a force that devours planets/stars.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:12, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::But from what I understand of the "multiversal singularity" characters thing, there's just one Fallen, so the guy created by Primus who eventually serves Unicron is also a guy created by a Cube who serves nobody but himself and is building solar towers to replenish the Cube. Or is the currently-untold story of the 13 vague enough that this still works? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:20, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::It does seem pretty distinct. One's a "created by mighty power source, got selfish, betrayed his brothers, now want to kick off where things went wrong" other "created as a multiversal control for entrophy and warrior against Unicron. Switched sides. Most dangerous servant of the ultimate evil ever". [[User:Eire]] 21.21 Apr 8 2009 (UTC)
:I don't trust a 3rd party summary written by someone who may not fully understand the story to accurately represent what's actually in the story. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:44, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::In any case, I suspect we are probably going to need to wait to see what the movie itself has to say before making a decision on this. It may expand on what is presented in the comic, it may contradict it in some way, it could make it easier to tie this version in with the previous mythos or may firmly separate it, etc. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 17:54, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:::I don't think we would have to wait until the movie if the comic is fairly clear on the matter. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:59, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::::I think we do, because as I said, we have no way of knowing in advance how well the actual movie will line up with the comic. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:05, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:The Fallen is one thing, but what about definite "multiversal singularity" Primus? Does the AllSpark=Primus in the movieverse? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:59, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::The AllSpark has been designated a [[sacred implement]] in Japanese fiction.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:07, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:::It is not uncommon for Transformers to have no knowledge of Primus or Unicron. For every world where they have a full-blown religion to fill them in, you have one where the Transformers have neither heard of either-- remember in [[The Transformers: The Movie]] Hot Rod and Kup had never even heard Unicron's name before. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:06, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
Did they not mention that the Fallen calls himself and his other pals "trans-dimensional beings"? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:48, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:Not the mention [http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2009-04-01-transformers-first-look_N.htm this interview] affirming he's the original and was "banished to another dimension." -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:06, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
::I think what they mean by that is that he's stuck in that stupid pylon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:15, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

==The Fallen gets Power Plans!==
[http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2009/05/transformers-movie-universe-preview.html] Preview page from the upcoming DK Ultimate Movie Guide, which is totally written by Furman. It establishes a few important things. The Fallen is an "omniversal tyrant." He betrayed his fellow Primes to serve the source of his new "chaotic" powers "from the very birth of the universe," forces which seek to replace morality with a "void." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:06, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
:If Nimoy is cast as him, it will be the second time in his career that he'll be playing some sort of servant of Unicron. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:36, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

== Subject Seperation ==

Will you make a separate page the live action version of the Fallen? --Some Random User guy {{unsigned|69.230.53.229|00:50, May 20, 2009 EDT}}
:As we far as we know, the Fallen is a multi-dimensional being that can... you get the picture. If this Fallen is established as a seperate being, then maybe.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 01:01, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
::And as seen in Walky's post above this, the DK guide establishes the Fallen as an "Omniversal tyrant". That more or less means the Fallen is one of those characters who can travel between dimensions, and there's only one of him. Thus, we consider ROTF Fallen to be the same guy as Dreamwave comics Fallen, unless the movie says otherwise (and it obviously won't). --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:36, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
::Despite the brain-bending problems this creates with the other 12, yes. Are they all birthed by the AllSpark then? That's not what The Ultimate Guide says... (We'll figure it out. Expect the backpedaling, qualifications and clarifications to begin trickling in this fall.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:15, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:::You know, the movie universe could have two individuals named the Fallen. I mean, it's not a real name, but rather a sort of title, right? Why couldn't the omniversal tyrant and some douchebag that came from the allspark live in the same universe? -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:26, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:::'''Two''' dimension-hopping flaming ancient Primes who discarded their name in favor of being called "The Fallen" after betraying their 12 fellow Primes, the oldest of Transformers?
:::We already have the Covenant and the Thirteen. Don't make this ''more'' complicated. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:39, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I personally think they should be seperated. I mean, he's been trapped in that relic, or whatever it exactly is, for a really long time. How could he of shown up in the IDW series? And, the other 12 sacrificed themselves, so, how could they exist either? -[[User:VakamaMetruNui|VakamaMetruNui]] 09:29, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
::::(The Dreamwave series, not the IDW series.) That's really easy to explain. The DW Fallen was also trapped in a dimension, same as the Movie one. He was able to break free of it due to a space bridge accident, and was apparently banished back to it by Primus. (He would have returned if DW hadn't gone bankrupt, so he wasn't dead.) Who knows how time and space work in there. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:11, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::Unicron keeps showing up in new places yet always gets defeated in more or less the same way; why should his gothy wanna-be have it any better? Since his "real" origin was as a creation of Primus, perhaps the entire Movie Allspark / Movie Original 13 was something the Fallen himself put together later--he tried his own hand at being a god, while actually not claiming credit for it but just inserting himself among the lineup, like Keyser Soze. Or maybe he used his woowoo omniversal magic to sense that some other god was about to create the Allspark, and then he twisted the whole process to his own ends. Who knows. And if all that sounds like a deus-ex-machina, remember that that is LITERALLY what he is. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 10:24, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
[[Image:Defianceissue4-creation.jpg|right|thumb|100px|What dimension did this happen in? The movie-verse? Not necessarily.]]
::::::I think splitting the page of a known dimension-hopper goes against common sense. Without a really good reason, of course. I don't think there is a good reason yet. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:47, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::At BotCon 2009, Hasbro copy-writer Forest Lee stated once again (at the Collectors' Club panel) that the Original 13 are all multiversal singularities. Apparently the upcoming movie hasn't changed his mind! So let's hold on to our current setup for the time being. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:11, 2 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::He didn't state this before, IIRC he stated that they were ''probably'' Multiversal singularities before.
::::::::Do you or anyone (Steve) have an exact working on his statement this weekend? It's worth citing it on the 13 page. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:52, 2 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::I don't, no. And Steve-o wasn't there this weekend, so we are without his meticulous information-gathering. He did specifically say that the original 13 were multiversal singularities, though. It was in response to someone asking if Shattered Glass The Fallen would be icy. Forest said that as one of the 13, The Fallen doesn't have any multiverse counterparts. There's just one of him, the same as Vector Prime and the others. (Trent noted that he liked to believe that if the Fallen were to ever wander into the Shattered universe, his flames would turn to ice, much to his confusion.)--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:53, 2 June 2009 (EDT)

== Movie altmode ==

FYI: If we get Hasbro photography depicting a toy with an altmode (we have!) and the paragraph in question is describing that toy, then ''the presence of said altmode is officially confirmed''. I don't know under what logic you can say otherwise.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:10, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
:Remember Scorponok's robot mode? I believe the debate is whether or not The Fallen's vehicle mode was something invented for the toyline. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 20:48, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
::Except the altmode description was removed from the toy section. The toy has an altmode. Plain as day. Thus the section describing that toy ought to mention said altmode.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:07, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Ah, right then. Well... most of what I said can be salvaged, assuming this argument comes up outside the toy section. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 21:14, 22 May 2009 (EDT)

== Decepticon symbol ==

I see there is a Decepticon symbol on The Fallen's page for a long while, is this something related to his toy(s)? Thanks. (I can't reach my Titanium Fallen now, so... ) --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 11:24, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
: His ROTF toy packaging consistently labels him a Decepticon. He helped Megatron START the Decepticon faction in the live-action continuity. And the Decepticon faction symbol is based on his face. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:35, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

:::So it is really due to the ROTF. Thanks. ;-D --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 12:55, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

::What they said.
::I notice the Beast-machines Dinobots symbol links to the Dinobots disambig page-- was it used tor the Wal-Mart Dinobots as well? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:56, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

==Mainpic==
When the Wikia site comes up on Google, it also has a secondary link, which is their version of this page. Our secondary link is [[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|''Animated'']], which is unfortunately now a bit less relevant than theirs. (Notably, they've even rebranded their site to have a Movie look.) Happily, our [[The Fallen]] is much better than theirs because we've expanded the DW section, and they still haven't written ANYTHING about the prequel comics. Plus, y'know, there's [[:Image:WikiaAdInsert_TheFallen.jpg|the stuff that made us leave in the first place]]. But in the interests of sealing the relevancy deal, I suggest we change the mainpic to be The Fallen's ROTF body. That way even at a GLANCE a viewer can see which one is more up-to-date. What do you all think? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 16:23, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:I support this. We've got good promo renders of it. Let's do it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:29, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:Sounds good to me, I say go for it. Maybe change it back when the movie buzz fades down, but for now, yeah, totally. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:44, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::Heh, so they merged the articles back. TX55 was an editor here. Doesn't he notice the borked layout of the images? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:00, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

==Grargh fiction==
Do we really need to separate out his various DK Ultimate Guide and Titanium information into their own little sections. Can't we throw those into the beginning of the Dreamwave continuity section and cite them appropriately? This page is now a real friggin' chore to read and understand. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:58, 6 June 2009 (EDT)
:Yeah, it sorta feels like it's... out of order. Cause, it is. Fictionally. I mean, I grok what Jackpot has done - he's put it in publication order, which I know is an approach that he's generall favoured in the past, but to me, it just doesn't "read" right. (Also, I am totally about to ruin the "he is on fire" joke. Watch me go!) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:05, 6 June 2009 (EDT)
::I feel a little weird about combining them like that, but I don't full-on object. I don't think there's ever been precedent for putting toy-bio info into a comic-series summary, but in this case there was clearly intent behind the bio to make it mesh, and there are no variant ''War Within'' "continuities." All I can do is note that it's unorthodox and move along.
::Oh, and Walky, thanks for restoring the continuity-family headers. My theory is that since our default organizational model is to separate our articles based on continuity family, whenever we break that "rule," we should call it out.
::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 16:49, 7 June 2009 (EDT)

==Really not buying the 'multiversal singularity' thing here==
Recently, I saw the new movie and....... I don't see how it could possibly be the same character as in Dreamwave's comics.
Not only is his entire backstory different, but his motives also seem different and the film also makes mention that The Fallen was a member of 8 original leaders (if I remember correctly), as opposed to 13.
Not to mention his radically different appearance (the other 'multiversal singularities' at least all looked alike) and abilities.

Unless the writers find a way of explaining how this could be possible, I don't see how it makes any form of sense.
:The fact it's 8 and not 13 is the first sign that the writers ''intend'' to explain it. They're backpedaling away from making it "The 13" because it creates ''way'' to many problems.
:We all basically agree that it makes not sense now, but this ('''very''' last-minute) change strongly indicates that it ''will'' make sense, and that Hasbro's story-gurus has finally figured out how they intend to make it fit. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:33, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::I seriously doubt that Hasbro's story-gurus had any imput whatsoever on the contents of the movie itself. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 20:35, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Yes, I think that rather than being The 'Multiversal Singularity' Fallen, The (ROTF) Fallen is just a 'fallen' Prime who is subsequently and coincidentally called "The Fallen". He happens to have the same name, like Prowl, Prowl, Prowl, Prowl and Prowl.[[Special:Contributions/218.214.49.189|218.214.49.189]] 21:02, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
::::That's nice, but Hasbro's packaging bio writer is saying that's not the case. Thus we have to go with what he says. --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:09, 23 June 2009 (EDT)

== Change of appearance ==

From TF; The Movie Universe
{{quote|The Fallen butchered and betrayed his brother Primes, disowning his given name in favor of one befitting his new, terrifying appearance.|[[Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe]] p86|"The Fallen"}}
Late intot he game, we have the idea that The Fallen may have changed his appearance. (And since his appearance is really no different than the other Primes... it begs the question what the hell this is talking about.)

Oh, and Walky was wondering abotu the curiously-regular panes of transparent plastic on The Fallen toy's shoulders... accordign to the guidebook, he has "Energon Distribution arcs" in his shoulders-- I think they're actually supposed to represent some sort of energy blade. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:44, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

== Unreliable narrator ==

So I saw the ROTF film. It really doesn't clash with the Multiversal Singularity thing too bad... it's Defiance that's the real problem. And I'm beginning to think that Definace just had a ''serious'' case of "unreliable narrator."

Let's assume (for a moment) that the Fallen ''was'' lying about parts of his backstory to Megatron. He certainly didn't mention Primus or Unicron (so we know he left stuff out) and we know he was snowing Megatron about making him a Prime (something you apparently have to be born to in the Movieverse.) He's ALREADY demonstrably lying, so lets throw out everything he said about his own origins, and assume he's actually the same dimension-hopping spanish-speaking nutjob we know and love-- what would the universe 'look' like?

Logically, The Fallen {{redact|''traveled'' to this universe and integrated himself with it-- somehow convincing the six Founding Primes of the universe that he was one of them. He then secretly endeavored to murder them all, destroy the Earth and seize ultimate power for himself using the sun harvester.}}

Of course, if this was '''actually''' what happened, and The Fallen is lying... you'd expect there to be some ''indicator['' of this in the IDW comics.

[[Image:Ros03 cuberitual.png|thumb|250px]]
Oh hey, look at that! It's the ancient illustration Starscream was trying to replicate in "Reign of Starscream"! The ''only'' piece of evidence from the era of the original Primes that ''doesn't'' come from our Unreliable Narrator. And what does it show?
{{redact|'''Six''' Primes surrounding the AllSpark cube as it is renewed by the Sun Harvester. '''Not''' seven.}} -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:55, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:As much as I really want to make this all work, I don't know if I want to go the Unreliable Narrator route. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:18, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::Neither do I... but if IDW chooses to quietly change the 13 primes to the 7 in their Movie Spotlight books... at ''that'' point the Fallen's retelling of history becomes much more actively wrong, and this bit from Reign of Starscream fits quite nicely.
::I figured it was worth highlighting as a possibility. It wouldn't be appropriate to present it as "fact" until IDW gets a crack at it. (It seems almost inevitable that there are Retcons Comings.) But i was pleased to discover that there's at least one ''fairly'' clean way here to make things more-or-less fit, and it ties into some pre-established continuity arond Starscream's plan with the [[Replica Allspark]], which is a definite plus in terms of making the change less jarring. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:27, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Your way probably works better than my "the other 6 Primes were busy." But still, that's fanon until Forest Lee gets a crack at it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:31, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::...That leaves me a little worried that we're putting our hopes on IDW. Especially since they caused quite a few of the problems. And lets not even get into their record of continuity consistency in okaying [[All Hail Megatron]]. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:34, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::But '''nothing''' the movies is 100% consistent with one another. Did you notice Leo mentioned the big fight from the 2007 movie took place in '''L.A.'''? And the IDW comics aren't in continuity with the ''first'' movie in a strict sense either-- Reign of starscream dedicated a page to re-doing the "gathering of the 'cons" from the dfirst movie ''just'' so they could assert "no, he's called BRAWL damnit." Or the helicopter being shot down over <strike>Afganistan</strike> America.
:::::Frankly, I think think the wiki would be best off is we weaned ourselves of this tendency to present the IDW comics as somehow "the primary continuity." They're definitely bound up tightly with the movies... but they ''aren't'' in perfect continuity with them-- and it's not just oddities, it's outright deliberate contradiction, like the Brawl thing. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:57, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Until I get an official reasoning to change continuity flow of various fiction, I'd rather leave the articles as they are. Brawl thing - who cares, really? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:36, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::By which you mean "structured differently than every other fiction section on the wiki." ;)
:::::::(I'm not really pushing for the restructure either. Just talking in general terms.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:54, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::I'm set in my ways, dagnabbit. Yeah, the movie kind of started the movement of supporting fiction such as comic books and novels more or less directly being in continuity with the primary fiction, something we saw later in Animated. As opposed to the traditional TF method of having comics and cartoons and books all going in completely different directions. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:26, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

::::You've got it backwards. The Mowry-penned stuff has some of the best internal consistency of the entire continuity.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:37, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Right, Mowry was foreshadowing the RotF plot in the second issue of Reign of Starscream, before ''anything'' had leaked. And he seems to have a pretty clear idea where almost ''every'' character "was" before and after the war, how they're related to one another, etc. He also did a ''lot'' of ground work to make the game drones fit right. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:57, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

== Voyager toy ==

The Voyager toy has slidable gauntlets, shinguards, and some kind of firey thing under the shinguards, but none of these are called out in the instructions, or seem to serve any point in either mode. Should this be mentioned in the article, and if not, does anyone know what the deal with them is?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 20:50, 4 July 2009 (EDT)

== "saturn"? ==

Especially because the novel specifically says it's not Saturn, can we get rid of this? Unless it was revealed in an interview or on a toy bio or something, all the movie shows is that it's on the moon of a ringed planet - without specifically identifying it.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 19:22, 12 July 2009 (EDT)

==Power of a Prime?==
Why is that important? --[[User:Boba Fett|Boba Fett]] 20:15, 12 July 2009 (EDT)

User talk:Boba Fett

2009-07-13T00:15:10Z

Boba Fett:

Please stop removing the Nexus Maximus link. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:59, 30 May 2009 (EDT)
:sorry, sir. Ill stop doing it. --[[User:Boba Fett|Boba Fett]] 18:01, 30 May 2009 (EDT)

I've noticed over the past couple of days that some of your edits (particularly the ones regarding The Fallen) are reverting and undoing fixed grammar, and breaking some links along the way (i.e. [[trademark]] into [[ ademark]]). I'm not seeing things, and am curious if you know that you're doing this?--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 20:31, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

Im seing this stuff to. I check and it's apparantly a glitch in my computer. iT sorta just deletes random letters together. I've ben working on it, but I haven't made any progres on it. Ill trying to stop editing those certain pages. or double-check the 'preview'page. --[[User:Boba Fett|Boba Fett]] 20:56, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

== The Fallen ==

How many ''different people'' need to revert you before you do the smart thing and take it to the article's talkpage?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:27, 12 July 2009 (EDT)

Sorry. --[[User:Boba Fett|Boba Fett]] 20:15, 12 July 2009 (EDT)

The Fallen

2009-07-12T19:53:14Z

Boba Fett: /* Revenge of the Fallen movie */ how is that important?

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[[Image:TheFallen_ROTF-AdaptationComic.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Not even the comic panel can contain him!]]

If the [[Thirteen original Transformers|first Transformers]] were [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s disciples, then '''The Fallen''' is its Judas. At the dawn of time, he was a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]], one of a brotherhood of vastly powerful beings dedicated to the well-being of their world. But The Fallen, whose original name has long since been forgotten, would gain his moniker by turning against his brothers and his purpose to pursue his own ends. His frightening form is a metal cage for primal, burning forces of [[Unicron|chaos]], giving him the appearance of a living furnace. These cauldron-like forces purged him of what empathy and morality remained.

The Fallen is immensely powerful. He commands mystic, entropic arts, and when at full strength he can un-make creation at his focused will. He is rarely defeated; at best he is contained, where he waits with eternal patience for the chance to unleash his dark powers once again. Though he has often been imprisoned between dimensions, this rarely lasts. The Fallen can open [[space bridge]]s and travel between dimensions, though he mostly uses this power to teleport short distances. Because of this ability, The Fallen has seen many universes. In several, he is the originator of the [[Decepticon]]s, the catalyst that prompted [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] to claim power for himself rather than the greater good.

If there is any reprieve, it is that there is only one of him. Like his brothers, The Fallen is a [[multiversal singularity]], meaning that in all of the vast [[Continuity|multiverse]], he has no alternate-universe doppelganger. But while the exact details of his past are hard to reconcile, two things remain consistent: He is bad news, and he's on fire.

{{quote|You...you're from ''before'', aren't you?|[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] on The Fallen|"[[Confrontation (issue)|Confrontation]]"}}

==Origins==
As explained in more detail below, The Fallen has been given different origin stories that may be at odds with each other. His ''[[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]]'' portrayal, wrapped in the [[Primus]]/[[Unicron]] mythology, presents him as having been created by Primus to oversee the orderly process of entropy throughout the universe. Fascinated by the idea of cosmic destruction, The Fallen fell under the sway of the ultimate destroyer, Unicron, and he tried to help his new master by sabotaging Primus's bodily form, Cybertron. This failed, and when Unicron lost the battle against Primus, both he and The Fallen were banished to another dimension. From then on, The Fallen craved only the release of his master and the ultimate death of the universe.

This cosmology is reinforced by The Fallen's brief [[Unicron Trilogy]] appearance, where he is seen among the other 13 original Transformers, some of whom are known to have also survived to the present day.

However, his ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' portrayal lacks the Primus/Unicron element; the only creative power is the [[All Spark]], a far more impersonal entity. The Fallen and his fellow "Primes," who were not actually "Transformers" per se, had one mission: to recharge the All Spark by siphoning solar energy. The Fallen's crimes were that he wanted all of that energy for himself, and he was willing to sacrifice an inhabited world (Earth) to do it. His brother Primes did stop him, but at the cost of their own lives. Despite (or perhaps because of) their deaths, they were able to imprison The Fallen in another dimension, from whence he plots and schemes his escape.

So, while similar in form, The Fallen's stories disagree in many details. The ''Revenge of the Fallen'' universe is still being fleshed out, so perhaps future information will clarify the questionable areas.

==Fiction==
===''Generation 1''===
====Dreamwave comics continuity====

[[Image:Thefallenseeksfour.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Hey, The Fallen, ever heard of Tums?]]
When Primus and Unicron first battled as planets, Primus created the first 13 Transformers to assist him in planet mode. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}} The Fallen's original purpose as one of the 13 was to oversee entropy, the orderly dissolution of all things in preparation for the next creation. But the concept of destruction fascinated him too much, and he lost sight of the goal of rebirth and the necessity of restraint. His investigations into the dark sciences led him to Unicron, to whom he gave himself. <ref>[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/toys/titanium/the-fallen/1126/2/9/ Fallen's ''Titanium Series'' on-package bio]</ref> Corrupted by Unicron, the Fallen then tried to sabotage his creator's body. This attempt ended in failure, and "The Fallen" fled to his master, but there was little refuge to be found: They were both sucked into a [[black hole]]. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}}

Approximately 7 million years before the 21st century, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] were lost in a [[space bridge]] accident. This accident weakened the barrier between reality and the dimension in which The Fallen was trapped, allowing The Fallen to eventually break free and return to Cybertron.

[[Image:Thefallen.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Ah, you know it's funny, these people, they go to sleep, they think everything's fine, everything's good... They wake up the next day and they're on fire.]]

The Fallen immediately set about initiating the "[[Unbinding]]", an event which required four particular Transformers, who would function as "angles in the geometry of dissolution". To help him round up the required Transformers, the Fallen recruited a [[Chaos Trinity|trio of Decepticon outcasts]], [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], [[Mindwipe]], and [[Bugly]], who hungered for a command of the occult. The Fallen promised them all manner of dark powers in exchange for serving him. Leading his three followers to a hidden room within Cybertron, he named [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] as the first of the angles to be gathered. {{storylink|Fragmentation}}

The Fallen and company proceeded to construct a strange machine within the [[Well of All Sparks]] in preparation for the Unbinding. Unfortunately, Bludgeon and friends got impatient for more than The Fallen's praise and demanded a more tangible reward: the arcane power he had promised them. The Fallen responded by grabbing Bludgeon’s head and giving him a mere glimpse of what he sought: images of a fiery vortex, demonic faces, stabbing swords and a human skull engulfed Bludgeon. The Fallen stated that this was but a peek inside a dark door he would fully open if they served him well. This left Bludgeon suitably inspired to begin hunting down their targets.

[[Image:Thefallengrimlock.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Someone should tell Grimlock this more often.]]

Bugly and Mindwipe leaked information to draw the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] out into combat with [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], while Bludgeon hatched a plot to snare both Grimlock and[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]. {{storylink|Escalation (IDW)|Escalation}} Bludgeon, Bugly, and Mindwipe ambushed Jetfire as he attempted a cross-faction meeting with [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. When Grimlock crashed the party earlier than they expected, however, The Fallen himself had to intervene and caught Grimlock’s blazing energo-sword in his bare hand. {{storylink|Revelation (The Dark Ages)|Revelation}}

Grimlock took one punch from The Fallen yet still got back up, so The Fallen grabbed him by the shoulders and unleashed a huge blast of energy that put the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] leader out cold. He dragged Grimlock and Jetfire away and commanded his followers to gather the third angle while he handled the fourth. The Fallen singlehandedly abducted [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] from his well-guarded holding cell in Autobot headquarters, shrugging off attacks by some of the Autobots' best warriors and causing their weapons to corrode away into uselessness with a mere gesture. Bludgeon's team, meanwhile, succeeded in acquiring [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]] from the Protectobots.

[[Image:Fallenmoreonfire.jpg|right|thumb|250px|The Fallen somehow sets himself ''more on fire''.]]

All four angles were strapped to the device in the Well of All Sparks. Launching into full B-movie villain mode, The Fallen theatrically monologued to the awakening Jetfire that they were casualties in the war of the Gods, and would be used to break the Seal of Primus, after which "all chaos will follow". {{storylink|Confrontation (issue)|Confrontation}}

The Fallen continued his villainous monologue, apparently directing it not at Jetfire but at Primus himself, as the four Transformers' unique sparks were drained to unlock the Seal of Primus. A combined army of forces from several factions defeated the Chaos Trinity and penetrated The Fallen's operation, while Jetfire arranged a force-field to contain the energy of Primus. The God of Light himself was subsequently roused from his slumber; with a gesture of his radiant hand, he engulfed his wayward creation in a torrent of searing energy that was then sucked back into the Seal of Primus. {{storylink|Conflagration}}
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===Unicron Trilogy===
====''Cybertron'' comic====
[[Image:Vectorprimeut.jpg|thumb|140px|Back, and to the left.]]
[[Vector Prime]]'s reminiscences of his mission and history included standing with his fellow 13 original Transformers, The Fallen's silhouette visible in their ranks. {{storylink|Vector Prime: In the Beginning}}

{{note|This story and comments by [[Hasbro]] copy-writer [[Forest Lee]] are the basis of the notion that The Fallen, Vector Prime, and the other original 13 are singular entities with no duplicates throughout the multiverse. This was reiterated at [[BotCon 2009]], even in the face of the upcoming ''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie. Brave men these Hasbro writers be!}}
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===Live-action film series===
====IDW ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics====
[[Image:Defianceissue4-creation.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Look [[Prima|familiar]]?]]

According to what The Fallen told [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] as part of the latter's recruitment, The Fallen and his brothers were the first creations of the [[All Spark]]. The planet that would become [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] was mostly barren, but as the All Spark gradually shaped Cybertron around them and gave The Fallen and his brothers power beyond measure, the All Spark became depleted. They learned that the its power could be replenished by harvesting the energy of stars, but they were unable to locate new stars to suit their purposes, despite their amazing ability to travel between dimensions using triangular "sarcophagi."

A breakthrough came when the All Spark created for them [[Transformer|workers]] that had a power of their own: They could change their forms! Some, called "[[Seeker (body-type)|seeker]]s," could even change into interstellar crafts that could locate suns for them. But as the workers built a [[Solar Harvester|solar harvester]] on [[Earth]] to gather this solar energy, The Fallen wondered evil thoughts. What if only one harvested the energy? What if the power was his alone?

The Fallen betrayed his brothers. To erase their existence, he destroyed their sarcophagi, in which their life forces were stored. But this drained him of almost all his energy, and while he was weak, the brothers he thought he had killed... acted. They sacrificed themselves to trap him in a fiery dimension within his own sarcophagus, while the harvester on Earth was covered by the [[Human|natives]] with a pyramid. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}

[[Image:Defiance4_Megatron_TheFallen.jpg|thumb|300px|All right, who changed the thermostat!?]]

Knowledge of this was lost through the ages, and eons later, a mysterious pylon was found buried on Cybertron by modern-day Transformers and delivered to Megatron's private quarters. Unbeknownst to them all, this was the sarcophagus of The Fallen, and upon activation, it healed the grievously-wounded Cybertronian military leader and established contact between him and its prisoner. Filled with a new resolve to destroy those who sought out the All Spark, Megatron's optics were tinted red by the encounter. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 2}} In the aftermath of Megatron's ruthless battle against a band of aliens seeking the All Spark, The Fallen further counseled him to seize control of Cybertron to make way for The Fallen's return. He also told him that [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] sought the All Spark for himself, and Megatron immediately decided that Optimus and his followers deserved to be killed for this transgression. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 3}}

But simply taking the planet would not be enough. The Fallen also ordered Megatron to build a [[Nemesis (Movie)|space cruiser]] to seek out the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]], which he said was a prerequisite to his return. As the ship's construction came to an end, The Fallen told Megatron the story of his origin (recounted above) and his plans regarding the harvester on Earth. The Fallen ordered Megatron to put his sarcophagus on the ship and then stay behind to fight Optimus's forces and safeguard the All Spark. [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] and a majority of the Decepticon soldiers crewed the ship, which ended up crashing on some barren world under unknown circumstances.

Meanwhile on Cybertron, civil war raged between Optimus's Autobots and Megatron's Decepticons, a war which eventually led to the All Spark being launched into space. As Megatron alone pursued the hurtling cube, he picked up a distress signal from the ''Nemesis.'' He found the crashed ship and within it the still-intact sarcophagus. He once again spoke with The Fallen, who was furious that Megatron had taken this detour from his pursuit of the All Spark. He ordered him to resume the chase immediately, confident that it would guide itself to the harvester. Megatron obeyed, leaving the sarcophagus in the barren wreckage. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}
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====''I Can Read'' storybook continuity====
[[Image:TheFallen-RiseoftheDecepticons.jpg|left|thumb|200px|I can has face?]]
[[Image:TheFallen-thrownintospace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Maybe Prime doesn't want your stupid face!]]
The Fallen is the most powerful and evil of Decepticons, but he has been asleep for ages. But now he's woken up, and he has designs on Earth! Will he and Megatron be too powerful to defeat? {{storylink|Rise of the Decepticons}}

The Fallen flies towards Earth. Since he feeds on energy, he is more powerful than even Megatron! He plans to absorb the energy of Earth's Sun.

Thankfully, Optimus Prime and his Autobots are here to stop him. Ultimately, The Fallen is thrown through a portal leading into outer space. {{storylink|I Am Optimus Prime (ROTF)|I Am Optimus Prime}}
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====DK ''Transformers: The Movie Universe'' book====
The original Transformers, all of them Primes, were united by a directive that safeguarded all life, and as such they refused to utilize the harvester on the inhabited Earth. One of their number, however, decided "I want Energon!" and slaughtered his brothers so he could harvest the Sun. He threw away his original name and became the Fallen. In the end, he slaughtered all of his brethren, but they were still able to imprison him in a pocket dimension and save the Earth. In the process, his appearance had changed to a terrifying, cage-like exostructure burning with chaotic energies from the universe's creation, forces that had purged him of all morality. Since his body was never meant to contain the unholy power flowing through it, he had to steadily vent that energy to ensure his own continued existence. This created the visual effect of a constant fiery nimbus.

While effectively harmless to the universe outside his prison, his powers remained vast: He could generate space bridges spontaneously, as well as focus his energies into discrete blasts that could unmake creation itself. Were he ever able to escape, he would be a supremely powerful danger. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe|The Movie Universe}}

====Titan Magazines ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics====

[[Image:Titan1_FallenStarscream.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Behold my <strike>resting</strike> mighty hand!]]

The sinister figure of the Fallen made contact with [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] soon after Megatron's death, using him to organise the Decepticon army and lay the groundwork for his return, his... revenge! He ordered Starscream and his forces to go to Cybertron and await further instruction, and promised that once the Matrix was found, [[Earth]] would ''burn''! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.1|Training Day}}

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====''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Tony Todd]] (English), [[Banjō Ginga]] (Japanese)
{{spoiler|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|July 24, 2009}}

Nineteen thousand years ago, The Fallen went against the wishes of [[Seven Primes|his brother Primes]] and tried to harvest the sun of an inhabited planet, [[Earth]]. However, The Fallen was defeated and the remaining Primes hid themselves and the [[Matrix of Leadership]], and The Fallen's [[solar harvester]] was concealed within a pyramid in [[Egypt]]. The Fallen became known as the first [[Decepticon]], and he became the master of [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], leader of the faction. He employed Megatron in the pursuit of the [[All Spark]], but after Megatron's defeat at [[Mission City]], the All Spark was reduced to a mere fragment.
[[Image:ROTFteaser2_firerobot.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Not shown: all the Autobots yet to be composited into this shot.]]
Upon Megatron's revival he traveled to the ''[[Nemesis (ROTF)|Nemesis]]'', currently lying wrecked on one of [[Saturn]]'s moons, and prostrated himself before the Fallen. His master revealed the true nature of the All Spark and its continued survival within the human, [[Sam Witwicky]]. The Fallen also explained that the only threat to him was the last surviving [[Prime (ROTF)|Prime]], [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]]. He ordered Megatron to use the boy to draw Prime out.
{{note|The [[Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|novel adaptation]] identifies the location of the Nemesis as a planet orbiting a cooling star no longer able to give light or life.}}
With the death of the last remaining Prime, The Fallen made his move. He and several other Decepticons traveled to the Earth's surface in [[transition form|re-entry mode]]s, destroying an [[United States Navy#U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71)|aircraft carrier]] as well as attacking several cities. The Fallen tapped into Earth's communication network, and announced the presence of the Transformers on Earth on worldwide television, demanding the "human hive" hand over Sam.

Unfortunately, Sam was in Egypt hunting for the [[Matrix of Leadership]] after being told it might be able to revive Optimus. He succeeded, but moments after Prime's resurrection, The Fallen appeared amongst the assorted NEST troops, pinning Optimus and stealing the Matrix. He then teleported to the now uncovered harvester and used the Matrix to power it. While it charged, he demonstrated his considerable power by destroying the attacking military forces with telekinesis, but a super-powered Optimus Prime, now fused with [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]], destroyed the harvester. After a short but intense battle, Optimus ripped off The Fallen's face and punched through his abdomen, crushing his spark core, as a wounded Megatron watched in horror.{{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}
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==Games==
===''Revenge of the Fallen: The Game''===
:''Voice actor:'' [[James Arnold Taylor]]

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==Toys==
===Titanium Series===
[[Image:Thefallentitanium.JPG|right|thumb|300px|Hey, Stegmutt! Mister The Fallen is ON FIRE!]]
*'''Fallen''' (6-inch Cybertron Heroes, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Display stand
: Instead of being based on his comic appearance, the Fallen toy is loosely based on [[Don Figueroa]]'s design for pre-[[Earth]] [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] as seen in ''[[Infiltration]]'' and ''[[Stormbringer (comics)|Stormbringer]]'', though obviously with The Fallen's head and deco. He transforms into a Cybertronic tank. Sadly his tank form doesn't hold together well, nor does he have actual hands, just blocks with holes in them. His side-mounted cannons can peg into his forearms in robot mode, or be held in his fists. He wears a faction symbol of his own effigy. So far, The Fallen is, by a fraction of an inch, the tallest (and the bulkiest) of the 6" Titanium Series figures.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Unicron/TheFallen/thefallen.htm More information on The Fallen at TFU.info]''

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===Revenge of the Fallen===
====Legends Class====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenLegends.jpg|right|thumb|300px|''*high-pitched helium voice*'' "I am the Faaallllleeeen!"]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Legends, 2009)
:Part of wave 3 of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends Class toys, The Fallen transforms from robot mode to a Cybertronian Destroyer.

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[[Image:ROTF_Legends_TheFallen_Lawson.jpg|thumb|300px|What, how dare they make me so small?! I was worshipped as a ''GOD!'']]
*'''Soundwave / EZ Collection The Fallen''' (2009)
:Available exclusively at the Lawson's convenience store in Japan (and the only way to obtain this figure in via TakaraTomy), this version of Legends class The Fallen has more paint applications than the Hasbro release. The Deluxe-class Preview Soundwave it comes with is unchanged from the regular release. Preorders opened on [[May 1]]st and close on [[June 30]]th, and the figure itself ships on [[October 16]]th.

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====Voyager Class====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenVoyager.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Smokin'!]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Voyager, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RD-10'''

:Part of wave two of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Voyager Class figures, The Fallen transforms from a robot into a "Cybertronian Destroyer" mode. The robot mode features several "slide-out energy absorption panels" on his head and arms which can either be deployed or hidden. In addition to that [[Mech Alive]] feature, his feet are spring-actioned so that when the toy is not standing on a surface (in other words, in jet mode), the toes ball up together. Setting the robot back down on a flat surface will splay the toes open again.

:There are rubbery connectors that attach his arms to his torso that increase accuracy to his visual portrayal in the live-action film, but this restricts his arm movement severely.

:There are at least two features to the toy not addressed on his instructions: first, the panels over the robot's forearms, which can be moved forward to cover the hands in vehicle mode; secondly, curved spikes which are normally in line with the upper legs can be rotated to point forward.

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[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenVoyagerorange.jpg|right|thumb|250px|CAUTION: HOT]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Voyager, 2009)

:A Target-[[exclusive]] redeco of The Fallen in a black and translucent orange colour scheme, both to homage the Fallen's original appearance in the Generation 1 continuity and presumably to show him being "on fire".
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*'''Gathering at Nemesis''' (Toys "R" Us-exclusive box set, 2009)
: This version of The Fallen comes with a silver Voyager Class Megatron from the first movie toyline and a ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Soundwave [[redeco]]ed in predominantly blue as an homage to the original Soundwave. It is unknown at this time if this The Fallen will have color differences.
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====Robot Replicas====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenRobotReplica.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Yes! We come from France!]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Robot Replica, 2009)
:This nonconvertible figurine of The Fallen boasts several points of articulation, a faithful replication of the robot mode, and little else.
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==Merchandise==
===7-11 Slurpee tie-in merchandise===
[[Image:ROTFmerchandise-TheFallenstraw.jpg|right|thumb|150px|''Great'' Transformers tie-in merchandise or the ''greatest'' Transformers tie-in merchandise?]]
*'''The Fallen'''
: The Fallen will help you uncreate your Slurpee with this Slurpee straw topper figurine! Comes attached to a straw in a baggie and is available at your local 7-11 while supplies last!
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===Burger King===
[[Image:ROTFmerchandise-BurgerKingTheFallen.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Flame grilled to perfection]]
*'''The Fallen Flip-Out''' (2009)
:An embossed [[Giant Decepticon insignia|plastic Decepticon insignia]], which flips up into a flat representation of The Fallen with some shoulder articulation. The Fallen, naturally, has flames behind him.
::*''[http://www.toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=242&itemid=14653 More information on The Fallen at Toy News International]''
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===Robot Heroes===
[[Image:Robotheroesmegatronfallenprimejetfireironhide.jpg|300px|thumb|right|Whoa, who ordered the extra-large The Fallen?]]
*'''Battle for the Fallen''' (box set, 2009)
:This ''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]'' box set of figures comes with The Fallen, Megatron (tank mode), Optimus Prime and [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] combined, and [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] (truck mode). He is twice as large as a regular ''Robot Heroes'' figure, and has simple swivel joints in his arms.

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==Notes==
[[Image:Fallenpatlee.jpg|right|thumb|150px|I'm The Fallen, and I can't get up!]]
*The Fallen design was created by [[Pat Lee]], his first (and only) original Transformers character. ([[Simon Furman]] created the concept, see next item.) The early design concept not only lacked The Fallen's characteristic mouthplate, but differed incredibly from the final product. Envisioned as a medieval, ancient-looking Transformer, he glowed like a furnace, though he was not depicted as being perpetually on fire until [[Andrew Wildman]] penciled his appearances in ''[[The Dark Ages]]'' and the colorists caught on.
*The Fallen was also used to recycle some of Simon Furman's unused [[Last Autobot]] plans.[http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~sstoneb/tf/tidbits/otfcc2004.txt]
*When questioned about him constantly being aflame, ''War Within'' writer Simon Furman stated that The Fallen is always on fire "because it looks cool".
[[Image:Thefallentank.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The Judasmobile.]]
*The Fallen's Dreamwave comics [[altmode]], a tank, though designed, was never used in-fiction. Similarly, The Fallen is said to have ''no'' alternate mode in IDW comics, and he does not actually transform in the film.
*Very little of The Fallen's backstory was given in his first fictional appearances, leaving much of ''The Dark Ages'' somewhat confusing on its own. Helpful inserts from the ''More Than Meets the Eye'' profile books and DK's ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'', published around the same time, spelled out more. Eventually, the packaging profile printed on his Titanium figure gave the rest. Oh, and then years later, he was the titular villain of a summer blockbuster film.
* The proper treatment of his name, with its capital-T "The", is established both in the comics and the ''Ultimate Guide''. The one dissenting source is his on-package [[bio]], which simply calls him "'''Fallen'''" (as in, "'''Fallen''' forgot his real name long ago"). The reason for this awkward treatment is unknown, though the usual culprits behind toy-name oddities (guess) [[trademark]] issues.
* The Fallen can speak Spanish. <ref>Fanclub-exclusive Mini Mayhem strip, March 19, 2007</ref>
*During San Diego Comic-Con 2008, in an interview on July 25th, [[Simon Furman]] claimed that ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]'' would feature a character called the Fallen, which was a character they created for Dreamwave's ''The War Within: The Dark Ages''.<ref>[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17412 Simon Furman confirms The Fallen is a character in an interview with Comic Book Resources (Fallen details removed)]</ref> Three days later, [[IDW Publishing]] writer [[Chris Mowry]] corroborated the claim in an interview with MTV Splash Page, calling "The Fallen" the main villain of the film.<ref>[http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/07/28/exclusive-transformers-2-prequel-comic-gives-inside-scoop-on-2009-movie/ MTV Splash Page interviews Chris Mowry (Fallen details removed)]</ref> Less than a week after this, however, [[Michael Bay]] reiterated that everything leaked thus far is part of their misinformation campaign and that only a handful of people involved with the production of ''Revenge'' have seen the script, contradicting IDW's interviews where their representatives confirm that they have the script.<ref>[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44729&postcount=2 A post made by Michael Bay on his forum]</ref> Curiously, on August 5th 2008, after a fan posted on Michael Bay's forum pointing out the contradiction, all references to The Fallen were removed from the aforementioned interviews, as well as any references to IDW Publishing having the script.
*In Titan ''Transformers Comic'' [[Transformers Comic issue 15|Aftermath Part 2]], the newly-ascendant [[President of the United States]] is named [[Theodore Allen|'''The'''odore '''F. Allen''']]. It remains to be seen if the wordplay has any significance beyond the fact that he is under Decepticon [[Cerebro-strip|mind-control]].
*No toy or merchandise item includes the staff that was The Fallen's primary weapon in the film.
* As The Fallen is a multiversal singularity, that would mean that he has lived through the events of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' multiple times - one for every variant telling (comics vs. film vs. sticker book vs. novelization). Maybe eventually he'll realize that this plan was a bit crap and go harass the [[Unicron Trilogy]] for a while.

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[[Image:TheFallen_ROTF-AdaptationComic.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Not even the comic panel can contain him!]]

If the [[Thirteen original Transformers|first Transformers]] were [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s disciples, then '''The Fallen''' is its Judas. At the dawn of time, he was a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]], one of a brotherhood of vastly powerful beings dedicated to the well-being of their world. But The Fallen, whose original name has long since been forgotten, would gain his moniker by turning against his brothers and his purpose to pursue his own ends. His frightening form is a metal cage for primal, burning forces of [[Unicron|chaos]], giving him the appearance of a living furnace. These cauldron-like forces purged him of what empathy and morality remained.

The Fallen is immensely powerful. He commands mystic, entropic arts, and when at full strength he can un-make creation at his focused will. He is rarely defeated; at best he is contained, where he waits with eternal patience for the chance to unleash his dark powers once again. Though he has often been imprisoned between dimensions, this rarely lasts. The Fallen can open [[space bridge]]s and travel between dimensions, though he mostly uses this power to teleport short distances. Because of this ability, The Fallen has seen many universes. In several, he is the originator of the [[Decepticon]]s, the catalyst that prompted [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] to claim power for himself rather than the greater good.

If there is any reprieve, it is that there is only one of him. Like his brothers, The Fallen is a [[multiversal singularity]], meaning that in all of the vast [[Continuity|multiverse]], he has no alternate-universe doppelganger. But while the exact details of his past are hard to reconcile, two things remain consistent: He is bad news, and he's on fire.

==Origins==
As explained in more detail below, The Fallen has been given different origin stories that may be at odds with each other. His ''[[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]]'' portrayal, wrapped in the [[Primus]]/[[Unicron]] mythology, presents him as having been created by Primus to oversee the orderly process of entropy throughout the universe. Fascinated by the idea of cosmic destruction, The Fallen fell under the sway of the ultimate destroyer, Unicron, and he tried to help his new master by sabotaging Primus's bodily form, Cybertron. This failed, and when Unicron lost the battle against Primus, both he and The Fallen were banished to another dimension. From then on, The Fallen craved only the release of his master and the ultimate death of the universe.

This cosmology is reinforced by The Fallen's brief [[Unicron Trilogy]] appearance, where he is seen among the other 13 original Transformers, some of whom are known to have also survived to the present day.

However, his ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' portrayal lacks the Primus/Unicron element; the only creative power is the [[All Spark]], a far more impersonal entity. The Fallen and his fellow "Primes," who were not actually "Transformers" per se, had one mission: to recharge the All Spark by siphoning solar energy. The Fallen's crimes were that he wanted all of that energy for himself, and he was willing to sacrifice an inhabited world (Earth) to do it. His brother Primes did stop him, but at the cost of their own lives. Despite (or perhaps because of) their deaths, they were able to imprison The Fallen in another dimension, from whence he plots and schemes his escape.

So, while similar in form, The Fallen's stories disagree in many details. The ''Revenge of the Fallen'' universe is still being fleshed out, so perhaps future information will clarify the questionable areas.

==Fiction==
===''Generation 1''===
====Dreamwave comics continuity====

[[Image:Thefallenseeksfour.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Hey, The Fallen, ever heard of Tums?]]
When Primus and Unicron first battled as planets, Primus created the first 13 Transformers to assist him in planet mode. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}} The Fallen's original purpose as one of the 13 was to oversee entropy, the orderly dissolution of all things in preparation for the next creation. But the concept of destruction fascinated him too much, and he lost sight of the goal of rebirth and the necessity of restraint. His investigations into the dark sciences led him to Unicron, to whom he gave himself. <ref>[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/toys/titanium/the-fallen/1126/2/9/ Fallen's ''Titanium Series'' on-package bio]</ref> Corrupted by Unicron, the Fallen then tried to sabotage his creator's body. This attempt ended in failure, and "The Fallen" fled to his master, but there was little refuge to be found: They were both sucked into a [[black hole]]. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}}

Approximately 7 million years before the 21st century, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] were lost in a [[space bridge]] accident. This accident weakened the barrier between reality and the dimension in which The Fallen was trapped, allowing The Fallen to eventually break free and return to Cybertron.

[[Image:Thefallen.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Ah, you know it's funny, these people, they go to sleep, they think everything's fine, everything's good... They wake up the next day and they're on fire.]]

The Fallen immediately set about initiating the "[[Unbinding]]", an event which required four particular Transformers, who would function as "angles in the geometry of dissolution". To help him round up the required Transformers, the Fallen recruited a [[Chaos Trinity|trio of Decepticon outcasts]], [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], [[Mindwipe]], and [[Bugly]], who hungered for a command of the occult. The Fallen promised them all manner of dark powers in exchange for serving him. Leading his three followers to a hidden room within Cybertron, he named [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] as the first of the angles to be gathered. {{storylink|Fragmentation}}

The Fallen and company proceeded to construct a strange machine within the [[Well of All Sparks]] in preparation for the Unbinding. Unfortunately, Bludgeon and friends got impatient for more than The Fallen's praise and demanded a more tangible reward: the arcane power he had promised them. The Fallen responded by grabbing Bludgeon’s head and giving him a mere glimpse of what he sought: images of a fiery vortex, demonic faces, stabbing swords and a human skull engulfed Bludgeon. The Fallen stated that this was but a peek inside a dark door he would fully open if they served him well. This left Bludgeon suitably inspired to begin hunting down their targets.

[[Image:Thefallengrimlock.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Someone should tell Grimlock this more often.]]

Bugly and Mindwipe leaked information to draw the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] out into combat with [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], while Bludgeon hatched a plot to snare both Grimlock and[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]. {{storylink|Escalation (IDW)|Escalation}} Bludgeon, Bugly, and Mindwipe ambushed Jetfire as he attempted a cross-faction meeting with [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. When Grimlock crashed the party earlier than they expected, however, The Fallen himself had to intervene and caught Grimlock’s blazing energo-sword in his bare hand. {{storylink|Revelation (The Dark Ages)|Revelation}}

Grimlock took one punch from The Fallen yet still got back up, so The Fallen grabbed him by the shoulders and unleashed a huge blast of energy that put the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] leader out cold. He dragged Grimlock and Jetfire away and commanded his followers to gather the third angle while he handled the fourth. The Fallen singlehandedly abducted [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] from his well-guarded holding cell in Autobot headquarters, shrugging off attacks by some of the Autobots' best warriors and causing their weapons to corrode away into uselessness with a mere gesture. Bludgeon's team, meanwhile, succeeded in acquiring [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]] from the Protectobots.

[[Image:Fallenmoreonfire.jpg|right|thumb|250px|The Fallen somehow sets himself ''more on fire''.]]

All four angles were strapped to the device in the Well of All Sparks. Launching into full B-movie villain mode, The Fallen theatrically monologued to the awakening Jetfire that they were casualties in the war of the Gods, and would be used to break the Seal of Primus, after which "all chaos will follow". {{storylink|Confrontation (issue)|Confrontation}}

The Fallen continued his villainous monologue, apparently directing it not at Jetfire but at Primus himself, as the four Transformers' unique sparks were drained to unlock the Seal of Primus. A combined army of forces from several factions defeated the Chaos Trinity and penetrated The Fallen's operation, while Jetfire arranged a force-field to contain the energy of Primus. The God of Light himself was subsequently roused from his slumber; with a gesture of his radiant hand, he engulfed his wayward creation in a torrent of searing energy that was then sucked back into the Seal of Primus. {{storylink|Conflagration}}
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===Unicron Trilogy===
====''Cybertron'' comic====
[[Image:Vectorprimeut.jpg|thumb|140px|Back, and to the left.]]
[[Vector Prime]]'s reminiscences of his mission and history included standing with his fellow 13 original Transformers, The Fallen's silhouette visible in their ranks. {{storylink|Vector Prime: In the Beginning}}

{{note|This story and comments by [[Hasbro]] copy-writer [[Forest Lee]] are the basis of the notion that The Fallen, Vector Prime, and the other original 13 are singular entities with no duplicates throughout the multiverse. This was reiterated at [[BotCon 2009]], even in the face of the upcoming ''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie. Brave men these Hasbro writers be!}}
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===Live-action film series===
====IDW ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics====
[[Image:Defianceissue4-creation.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Look [[Prima|familiar]]?]]

According to what The Fallen told [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] as part of the latter's recruitment, The Fallen and his brothers were the first creations of the [[All Spark]]. The planet that would become [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] was mostly barren, but as the All Spark gradually shaped Cybertron around them and gave The Fallen and his brothers power beyond measure, the All Spark became depleted. They learned that the its power could be replenished by harvesting the energy of stars, but they were unable to locate new stars to suit their purposes, despite their amazing ability to travel between dimensions using triangular "sarcophagi."

A breakthrough came when the All Spark created for them [[Transformer|workers]] that had a power of their own: They could change their forms! Some, called "[[Seeker (body-type)|seeker]]s," could even change into interstellar crafts that could locate suns for them. But as the workers built a [[Solar Harvester|solar harvester]] on [[Earth]] to gather this solar energy, The Fallen wondered evil thoughts. What if only one harvested the energy? What if the power was his alone?

The Fallen betrayed his brothers. To erase their existence, he destroyed their sarcophagi, in which their life forces were stored. But this drained him of almost all his energy, and while he was weak, the brothers he thought he had killed... acted. They sacrificed themselves to trap him in a fiery dimension within his own sarcophagus, while the harvester on Earth was covered by the [[Human|natives]] with a pyramid. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}

[[Image:Defiance4_Megatron_TheFallen.jpg|thumb|300px|All right, who changed the thermostat!?]]

Knowledge of this was lost through the ages, and eons later, a mysterious pylon was found buried on Cybertron by modern-day Transformers and delivered to Megatron's private quarters. Unbeknownst to them all, this was the sarcophagus of The Fallen, and upon activation, it healed the grievously-wounded Cybertronian military leader and established contact between him and its prisoner. Filled with a new resolve to destroy those who sought out the All Spark, Megatron's optics were tinted red by the encounter. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 2}} In the aftermath of Megatron's ruthless battle against a band of aliens seeking the All Spark, The Fallen further counseled him to seize control of Cybertron to make way for The Fallen's return. He also told him that [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] sought the All Spark for himself, and Megatron immediately decided that Optimus and his followers deserved to be killed for this transgression. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 3}}

But simply taking the planet would not be enough. The Fallen also ordered Megatron to build a [[Nemesis (Movie)|space cruiser]] to seek out the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]], which he said was a prerequisite to his return. As the ship's construction came to an end, The Fallen told Megatron the story of his origin (recounted above) and his plans regarding the harvester on Earth. The Fallen ordered Megatron to put his sarcophagus on the ship and then stay behind to fight Optimus's forces and safeguard the All Spark. [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] and a majority of the Decepticon soldiers crewed the ship, which ended up crashing on some barren world under unknown circumstances.

Meanwhile on Cybertron, civil war raged between Optimus's Autobots and Megatron's Decepticons, a war which eventually led to the All Spark being launched into space. As Megatron alone pursued the hurtling cube, he picked up a distress signal from the ''Nemesis.'' He found the crashed ship and within it the still-intact sarcophagus. He once again spoke with The Fallen, who was furious that Megatron had taken this detour from his pursuit of the All Spark. He ordered him to resume the chase immediately, confident that it would guide itself to the harvester. Megatron obeyed, leaving the sarcophagus in the barren wreckage. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}
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====''I Can Read'' storybook continuity====
[[Image:TheFallen-RiseoftheDecepticons.jpg|left|thumb|200px|I can has face?]]
[[Image:TheFallen-thrownintospace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Maybe Prime doesn't want your stupid face!]]
The Fallen is the most powerful and evil of Decepticons, but he has been asleep for ages. But now he's woken up, and he has designs on Earth! Will he and Megatron be too powerful to defeat? {{storylink|Rise of the Decepticons}}

The Fallen flies towards Earth. Since he feeds on energy, he is more powerful than even Megatron! He plans to absorb the energy of Earth's Sun.

Thankfully, Optimus Prime and his Autobots are here to stop him. Ultimately, The Fallen is thrown through a portal leading into outer space. {{storylink|I Am Optimus Prime (ROTF)|I Am Optimus Prime}}
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====DK ''Transformers: The Movie Universe'' book====
The original Transformers, all of them Primes, were united by a directive that safeguarded all life, and as such they refused to utilize the harvester on the inhabited Earth. One of their number, however, decided "I want Energon!" and slaughtered his brothers so he could harvest the Sun. He threw away his original name and became the Fallen. In the end, he slaughtered all of his brethren, but they were still able to imprison him in a pocket dimension and save the Earth. In the process, his appearance had changed to a terrifying, cage-like exostructure burning with chaotic energies from the universe's creation, forces that had purged him of all morality. Since his body was never meant to contain the unholy power flowing through it, he had to steadily vent that energy to ensure his own continued existence. This created the visual effect of a constant fiery nimbus.

While effectively harmless to the universe outside his prison, his powers remained vast: He could generate space bridges spontaneously, as well as focus his energies into discrete blasts that could unmake creation itself. Were he ever able to escape, he would be a supremely powerful danger. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe|The Movie Universe}}

====Titan Magazines ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics====

[[Image:Titan1_FallenStarscream.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Behold my <strike>resting</strike> mighty hand!]]

The sinister figure of the Fallen made contact with [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] soon after Megatron's death, using him to organise the Decepticon army and lay the groundwork for his return, his... revenge! He ordered Starscream and his forces to go to Cybertron and await further instruction, and promised that once the Matrix was found, [[Earth]] would ''burn''! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.1|Training Day}}

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====''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Tony Todd]] (English), [[Banjō Ginga]] (Japanese)
{{spoiler|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|July 24, 2009}}

Nineteen thousand years ago, The Fallen went against the wishes of [[Seven Primes|his brother Primes]] and tried to harvest the sun of an inhabited planet, [[Earth]]. However, The Fallen was defeated and the remaining Primes hid themselves and the [[Matrix of Leadership]], and The Fallen's [[solar harvester]] was concealed within a pyramid in [[Egypt]]. The Fallen became known as the first [[Decepticon]], and he became the master of [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], leader of the faction. He employed Megatron in the pursuit of the [[All Spark]], but after Megatron's defeat at [[Mission City]], the All Spark was reduced to a mere fragment.

[[Image:ROTFteaser2_firerobot.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Not shown: all the Autobots yet to be composited into this shot.]]

Upon Megatron's revival he traveled to the ''[[Nemesis (ROTF)|Nemesis]]'', currently lying wrecked on one of [[Saturn]]'s moons, and prostrated himself before the Fallen. His master revealed the true nature of the All Spark and its continued survival within the human, [[Sam Witwicky]]. The Fallen also explained that the only threat to him was the last surviving [[Prime (ROTF)|Prime]], [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]]. He ordered Megatron to use the boy to draw Prime out.

{{note|The [[Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|novel adaptation]] identifies the location of the Nemesis as a planet orbiting a cooling star no longer able to give light or life.}}

With the death of the last remaining Prime, The Fallen made his move. He and several other Decepticons traveled to the Earth's surface in [[transition form|re-entry mode]]s, destroying an [[United States Navy#U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71)|aircraft carrier]] as well as attacking several cities. The Fallen tapped into Earth's communication network, and announced the presence of the Transformers on Earth on worldwide television, demanding the "human hive" hand over Sam.

Unfortunately, Sam was in Egypt hunting for the [[Matrix of Leadership]] after being told it might be able to revive Optimus. He succeeded, but moments after Prime's resurrection, The Fallen appeared amongst the assorted NEST troops, pinning Optimus and stealing the Matrix. He then teleported to the now uncovered harvester and used the Matrix to power it. While it charged, he demonstrated his considerable power by destroying the attacking military forces with telekinesis, but a super-powered Optimus Prime, now fused with [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]], destroyed the harvester. After a short but intense battle, Optimus ripped off The Fallen's face and punched through his abdomen, crushing his spark core, as a wounded Megatron watched in horror.{{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

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==Games==
===''Revenge of the Fallen: The Game''===
:''Voice actor:'' [[James Arnold Taylor]]

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==Toys==
===Titanium Series===
[[Image:Thefallentitanium.JPG|right|thumb|300px|Hey, Stegmutt! Mister The Fallen is ON FIRE!]]
*'''Fallen''' (6-inch Cybertron Heroes, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Display stand
: Instead of being based on his comic appearance, the Fallen toy is loosely based on [[Don Figueroa]]'s design for pre-[[Earth]] [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] as seen in ''[[Infiltration]]'' and ''[[Stormbringer (comics)|Stormbringer]]'', though obviously with The Fallen's head and deco. He transforms into a Cybertronic tank. Sadly his tank form doesn't hold together well, nor does he have actual hands, just blocks with holes in them. His side-mounted cannons can peg into his forearms in robot mode, or be held in his fists. He wears a faction symbol of his own effigy. So far, The Fallen is, by a fraction of an inch, the tallest (and the bulkiest) of the 6" Titanium Series figures.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Unicron/TheFallen/thefallen.htm More information on The Fallen at TFU.info]''

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===Revenge of the Fallen===
====Legends Class====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenLegends.jpg|right|thumb|300px|''*high-pitched helium voice*'' "I am the Faaallllleeeen!"]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Legends, 2009)
:Part of wave 3 of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends Class toys, The Fallen transforms from robot mode to a Cybertronian Destroyer.

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[[Image:ROTF_Legends_TheFallen_Lawson.jpg|thumb|300px|What, how dare they make me so small?! I was worshipped as a ''GOD!'']]
*'''Soundwave / EZ Collection The Fallen''' (2009)
:Available exclusively at the Lawson's convenience store in Japan (and the only way to obtain this figure in via TakaraTomy), this version of Legends class The Fallen has more paint applications than the Hasbro release. The Deluxe-class Preview Soundwave it comes with is unchanged from the regular release. Preorders opened on [[May 1]]st and close on [[June 30]]th, and the figure itself ships on [[October 16]]th.

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====Voyager Class====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenVoyager.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Smokin'!]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Voyager, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RD-10'''

:Part of wave two of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Voyager Class figures, The Fallen transforms from a robot into a "Cybertronian Destroyer" mode. The robot mode features several "slide-out energy absorption panels" on his head and arms which can either be deployed or hidden. In addition to that [[Mech Alive]] feature, his feet are spring-actioned so that when the toy is not standing on a surface (in other words, in jet mode), the toes ball up together. Setting the robot back down on a flat surface will splay the toes open again.

:There are rubbery connectors that attach his arms to his torso that increase accuracy to his visual portrayal in the live-action film, but this restricts his arm movement severely.

:There are at least two features to the toy not addressed on his instructions: first, the panels over the robot's forearms, which can be moved forward to cover the hands in vehicle mode; secondly, curved spikes which are normally in line with the upper legs can be rotated to point forward.

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[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenVoyagerorange.jpg|right|thumb|250px|CAUTION: HOT]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Voyager, 2009)

:A Target-[[exclusive]] redeco of The Fallen in a black and translucent orange colour scheme, both to homage the Fallen's original appearance in the Generation 1 continuity and presumably to show him being "on fire".
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====Robot Replicas====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenRobotReplica.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Yes! We come from France!]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Robot Replica, 2009)
:This nonconvertible figurine of The Fallen boasts several points of articulation, a faithful replication of the robot mode, and little else.
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==Merchandise==
===7-11 Slurpee tie-in merchandise===
[[Image:ROTFmerchandise-TheFallenstraw.jpg|right|thumb|150px|''Great'' Transformers tie-in merchandise or the ''greatest'' Transformers tie-in merchandise?]]
*'''The Fallen'''
: The Fallen will help you uncreate your Slurpee with this Slurpee straw topper figurine! Comes attached to a straw in a baggie and is available at your local 7-11 while supplies last!
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===Burger King===
[[Image:ROTFmerchandise-BurgerKingTheFallen.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Flame grilled to perfection]]
*'''The Fallen Flip-Out''' (2009)
:An embossed [[Giant Decepticon insignia|plastic Decepticon insignia]], which flips up into a flat representation of The Fallen with some shoulder articulation. The Fallen, naturally, has flames behind him.
::*''[http://www.toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=242&itemid=14653 More information on The Fallen at Toy News International]''
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===Robot Heroes===
[[Image:Robotheroesmegatronfallenprimejetfireironhide.jpg|300px|thumb|right|Whoa, who ordered the extra-large The Fallen?]]
*'''Battle for the Fallen''' (box set, 2009)
:This ''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]'' box set of figures comes with The Fallen, Megatron (tank mode), Optimus Prime and [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] combined, and [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] (truck mode). He is twice as large as a regular ''Robot Heroes'' figure, and has simple swivel joints in his arms.

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==Notes==
[[Image:Fallenpatlee.jpg|right|thumb|150px|I'm The Fallen, and I can't get up!]]
*The Fallen design was created by [[Pat Lee]], his first (and only) original Transformers character. ([[Simon Furman]] created the concept, see next item.) The early design concept not only lacked The Fallen's characteristic mouthplate, but differed incredibly from the final product. Envisioned as a medieval, ancient-looking Transformer, he glowed like a furnace, though he was not depicted as being perpetually on fire until [[Andrew Wildman]] penciled his appearances in ''[[The Dark Ages]]'' and the colorists caught on.
*The Fallen was also used to recycle some of Simon Furman's unused [[Last Autobot]] plans.[http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~sstoneb/tf/tidbits/otfcc2004.txt]
*When questioned about him constantly being aflame, ''War Within'' writer Simon Furman stated that The Fallen is always on fire "because it looks cool".
[[Image:Thefallentank.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The Judasmobile.]]
*The Fallen's Dreamwave comics [[altmode]], a tank, though designed, was never used in-fiction. Similarly, The Fallen is said to have ''no'' alternate mode in IDW comics, and he does not actually transform in the film.
*Very little of The Fallen's backstory was given in his first fictional appearances, leaving much of ''The Dark Ages'' somewhat confusing on its own. Helpful inserts from the ''More Than Meets the Eye'' profile books and DK's ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'', published around the same time, spelled out more. Eventually, the packaging profile printed on his Titanium figure gave the rest. Oh, and then years later, he was the titular villain of a summer blockbuster film.
* The proper treatment of his name, with its capital-T "The", is established both in the comics and the ''Ultimate Guide''. The one dissenting source is his on-package [[bio]], which simply calls him "'''Fallen'''" (as in, "'''Fallen''' forgot his real name long ago"). The reason for this awkward treatment is unknown, though the usual culprits behind toy-name oddities (guess) [[trademark]] issues.
* The Fallen can speak Spanish. <ref>Fanclub-exclusive Mini Mayhem strip, March 19, 2007</ref>
*During San Diego Comic-Con 2008, in an interview on July 25th, [[Simon Furman]] claimed that ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]'' would feature a character called the Fallen, which was a character they created for Dreamwave's ''The War Within: The Dark Ages''.<ref>[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17412 Simon Furman confirms The Fallen is a character in an interview with Comic Book Resources (Fallen details removed)]</ref> Three days later, [[IDW Publishing]] writer [[Chris Mowry]] corroborated the claim in an interview with MTV Splash Page, calling "The Fallen" the main villain of the film.<ref>[http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/07/28/exclusive-transformers-2-prequel-comic-gives-inside-scoop-on-2009-movie/ MTV Splash Page interviews Chris Mowry (Fallen details removed)]</ref> Less than a week after this, however, [[Michael Bay]] reiterated that everything leaked thus far is part of their misinformation campaign and that only a handful of people involved with the production of ''Revenge'' have seen the script, contradicting IDW's interviews where their representatives confirm that they have the script.<ref>[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44729&postcount=2 A post made by Michael Bay on his forum]</ref> Curiously, on August 5th 2008, after a fan posted on Michael Bay's forum pointing out the contradiction, all references to The Fallen were removed from the aforementioned interviews, as well as any references to IDW Publishing having the script.
*In Titan ''Transformers Comic'' [[Transformers Comic issue 15|Aftermath Part 2]], the newly-ascendant [[President of the United States]] is named [[Theodore Allen|'''The'''odore '''F. Allen''']]. It remains to be seen if the wordplay has any significance beyond the fact that he is under Decepticon [[Cerebro-strip|mind-control]].
*No toy or merchandise item includes the staff that was The Fallen's primary weapon in the film.

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The Fallen

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[[Image:TheFallen_ROTF-AdaptationComic.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Not even the comic panel can contain him!]]

If the [[Thirteen original Transformers|first Transformers]] were [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s disciples, then '''The Fallen''' is its Judas. At the dawn of time, he was a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]], one of a brotherhood of vastly powerful beings dedicated to the well-being of their world. But The Fallen, whose original name has long since been forgotten, would gain his moniker by turning against his brothers and his purpose to pursue his own ends. His frightening form is a metal cage for primal, burning forces of [[Unicron|chaos]], giving him the appearance of a living furnace. These cauldron-like forces purged him of what empathy and morality remained.

The Fallen is immensely powerful. He commands mystic, entropic arts, and when at full strength he can un-make creation at his focused will. He is rarely defeated; at best he is contained, where he waits with eternal patience for the chance to unleash his dark powers once again. Though he has often been imprisoned between dimensions, this rarely lasts. The Fallen can open [[space bridge]]s and travel between dimensions, though he mostly uses this power to teleport short distances. Because of this ability, The Fallen has seen many universes. In several, he is the originator of the [[Decepticon]]s, the catalyst that prompted [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] to claim power for himself rather than the greater good.

If there is any reprieve, it is that there is only one of him. Like his brothers, The Fallen is a [[multiversal singularity]], meaning that in all of the vast [[Continuity|multiverse]], he has no alternate-universe doppelganger. But while the exact details of his past are hard to reconcile, two things remain consistent: He is bad news, and he's on fire.

==Origins==
As explained in more detail below, The Fallen has been given different origin stories that may be at odds with each other. His ''[[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]]'' portrayal, wrapped in the [[Primus]]/[[Unicron]] mythology, presents him as having been created by Primus to oversee the orderly process of entropy throughout the universe. Fascinated by the idea of cosmic destruction, The Fallen fell under the sway of the ultimate destroyer, Unicron, and he tried to help his new master by sabotaging Primus's bodily form, Cybertron. This failed, and when Unicron lost the battle against Primus, both he and The Fallen were banished to another dimension. From then on, The Fallen craved only the release of his master and the ultimate death of the universe.

This cosmology is reinforced by The Fallen's brief [[Unicron Trilogy]] appearance, where he is seen among the other 13 original Transformers, some of whom are known to have also survived to the present day.

However, his ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' portrayal lacks the Primus/Unicron element; the only creative power is the [[All Spark]], a far more impersonal entity. The Fallen and his fellow "Primes," who were not actually "Transformers" per se, had one mission: to recharge the All Spark by siphoning solar energy. The Fallen's crimes were that he wanted all of that energy for himself, and he was willing to sacrifice an inhabited world (Earth) to do it. His brother Primes did stop him, but at the cost of their own lives. Despite (or perhaps because of) their deaths, they were able to imprison The Fallen in another dimension, from whence he plots and schemes his escape.

So, while similar in form, The Fallen's stories disagree in many details. The ''Revenge of the Fallen'' universe is still being fleshed out, so perhaps future information will clarify the questionable areas.

==Fiction==
===''Generation 1''===
====Dreamwave comics continuity====

[[Image:Thefallenseeksfour.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Hey, The Fallen, ever heard of Tums?]]
When Primus and Unicron first battled as planets, Primus created the first 13 Transformers to assist him in planet mode. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}} The Fallen's original purpose as one of the 13 was to oversee entropy, the orderly dissolution of all things in preparation for the next creation. But the concept of destruction fascinated him too much, and he lost sight of the goal of rebirth and the necessity of restraint. His investigations into the dark sciences led him to Unicron, to whom he gave himself. <ref>[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/toys/titanium/the-fallen/1126/2/9/ Fallen's ''Titanium Series'' on-package bio]</ref> Corrupted by Unicron, the Fallen then tried to sabotage his creator's body. This attempt ended in failure, and "The Fallen" fled to his master, but there was little refuge to be found: They were both sucked into a [[black hole]]. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}}

Approximately 7 million years before the 21st century, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] were lost in a [[space bridge]] accident. This accident weakened the barrier between reality and the dimension in which The Fallen was trapped, allowing The Fallen to eventually break free and return to Cybertron.

[[Image:Thefallen.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Ah, you know it's funny, these people, they go to sleep, they think everything's fine, everything's good... They wake up the next day and they're on fire.]]

The Fallen immediately set about initiating the "[[Unbinding]]", an event which required four particular Transformers, who would function as "angles in the geometry of dissolution". To help him round up the required Transformers, the Fallen recruited a [[Chaos Trinity|trio of Decepticon outcasts]], [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], [[Mindwipe]], and [[Bugly]], who hungered for a command of the occult. The Fallen promised them all manner of dark powers in exchange for serving him. Leading his three followers to a hidden room within Cybertron, he named [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] as the first of the angles to be gathered. {{storylink|Fragmentation}}

The Fallen and company proceeded to construct a strange machine within the [[Well of All Sparks]] in preparation for the Unbinding. Unfortunately, Bludgeon and friends got impatient for more than The Fallen's praise and demanded a more tangible reward: the arcane power he had promised them. The Fallen responded by grabbing Bludgeon’s head and giving him a mere glimpse of what he sought: images of a fiery vortex, demonic faces, stabbing swords and a human skull engulfed Bludgeon. The Fallen stated that this was but a peek inside a dark door he would fully open if they served him well. This left Bludgeon suitably inspired to begin hunting down their targets.

[[Image:Thefallengrimlock.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Someone should tell Grimlock this more often.]]

Bugly and Mindwipe leaked information to draw the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] out into combat with [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], while Bludgeon hatched a plot to snare both Grimlock and[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]. {{storylink|Escalation (IDW)|Escalation}} Bludgeon, Bugly, and Mindwipe ambushed Jetfire as he attempted a cross-faction meeting with [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. When Grimlock crashed the party earlier than they expected, however, The Fallen himself had to intervene and caught Grimlock’s blazing energo-sword in his bare hand. {{storylink|Revelation (The Dark Ages)|Revelation}}

Grimlock took one punch from The Fallen yet still got back up, so The Fallen grabbed him by the shoulders and unleashed a huge blast of energy that put the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] leader out cold. He dragged Grimlock and Jetfire away and commanded his followers to gather the third angle while he handled the fourth. The Fallen singlehandedly abducted [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] from his well-guarded holding cell in Autobot headquarters, shrugging off attacks by some of the Autobots' best warriors and causing their weapons to corrode away into uselessness with a mere gesture. Bludgeon's team, meanwhile, succeeded in acquiring [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]] from the Protectobots.

[[Image:Fallenmoreonfire.jpg|right|thumb|250px|The Fallen somehow sets himself ''more on fire''.]]

All four angles were strapped to the device in the Well of All Sparks. Launching into full B-movie villain mode, The Fallen theatrically monologued to the awakening Jetfire that they were casualties in the war of the Gods, and would be used to break the Seal of Primus, after which "all chaos will follow". {{storylink|Confrontation (issue)|Confrontation}}

The Fallen continued his villainous monologue, apparently directing it not at Jetfire but at Primus himself, as the four Transformers' unique sparks were drained to unlock the Seal of Primus. A combined army of forces from several factions defeated the Chaos Trinity and penetrated The Fallen's operation, while Jetfire arranged a force-field to contain the energy of Primus. The God of Light himself was subsequently roused from his slumber; with a gesture of his radiant hand, he engulfed his wayward creation in a torrent of searing energy that was then sucked back into the Seal of Primus. {{storylink|Conflagration}}
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===Unicron Trilogy===
====''Cybertron'' comic====
[[Image:Vectorprimeut.jpg|thumb|140px|Back, and to the left.]]
[[Vector Prime]]'s reminiscences of his mission and history included standing with his fellow 13 original Transformers, The Fallen's silhouette visible in their ranks. {{storylink|Vector Prime: In the Beginning}}

{{note|This story and comments by [[Hasbro]] copy-writer [[Forest Lee]] are the basis of the notion that The Fallen, Vector Prime, and the other original 13 are singular entities with no duplicates throughout the multiverse. This was reiterated at [[BotCon 2009]], even in the face of the upcoming ''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie. Brave men these Hasbro writers be!}}
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===Live-action film series===
====IDW ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics====
[[Image:Defianceissue4-creation.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Look [[Prima|familiar]]?]]

According to what The Fallen told [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] as part of the latter's recruitment, The Fallen and his brothers were the first creations of the [[All Spark]]. The planet that would become [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] was mostly barren, but as the All Spark gradually shaped Cybertron around them and gave The Fallen and his brothers power beyond measure, the All Spark became depleted. They learned that the its power could be replenished by harvesting the energy of stars, but they were unable to locate new stars to suit their purposes, despite their amazing ability to travel between dimensions using triangular "sarcophagi."

A breakthrough came when the All Spark created for them [[Transformer|workers]] that had a power of their own: They could change their forms! Some, called "[[Seeker (body-type)|seeker]]s," could even change into interstellar crafts that could locate suns for them. But as the workers built a [[Solar Harvester|solar harvester]] on [[Earth]] to gather this solar energy, The Fallen wondered evil thoughts. What if only one harvested the energy? What if the power was his alone?

The Fallen betrayed his brothers. To erase their existence, he destroyed their sarcophagi, in which their life forces were stored. But this drained him of almost all his energy, and while he was weak, the brothers he thought he had killed... acted. They sacrificed themselves to trap him in a fiery dimension within his own sarcophagus, while the harvester on Earth was covered by the [[Human|natives]] with a pyramid. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}

[[Image:Defiance4_Megatron_TheFallen.jpg|thumb|300px|All right, who changed the thermostat!?]]

Knowledge of this was lost through the ages, and eons later, a mysterious pylon was found buried on Cybertron by modern-day Transformers and delivered to Megatron's private quarters. Unbeknownst to them all, this was the sarcophagus of The Fallen, and upon activation, it healed the grievously-wounded Cybertronian military leader and established contact between him and its prisoner. Filled with a new resolve to destroy those who sought out the All Spark, Megatron's optics were tinted red by the encounter. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 2}} In the aftermath of Megatron's ruthless battle against a band of aliens seeking the All Spark, The Fallen further counseled him to seize control of Cybertron to make way for The Fallen's return. He also told him that [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] sought the All Spark for himself, and Megatron immediately decided that Optimus and his followers deserved to be killed for this transgression. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 3}}

But simply taking the planet would not be enough. The Fallen also ordered Megatron to build a [[Nemesis (Movie)|space cruiser]] to seek out the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]], which he said was a prerequisite to his return. As the ship's construction came to an end, The Fallen told Megatron the story of his origin (recounted above) and his plans regarding the harvester on Earth. The Fallen ordered Megatron to put his sarcophagus on the ship and then stay behind to fight Optimus's forces and safeguard the All Spark. [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] and a majority of the Decepticon soldiers crewed the ship, which ended up crashing on some barren world under unknown circumstances.

Meanwhile on Cybertron, civil war raged between Optimus's Autobots and Megatron's Decepticons, a war which eventually led to the All Spark being launched into space. As Megatron alone pursued the hurtling cube, he picked up a distress signal from the ''Nemesis.'' He found the crashed ship and within it the still-intact sarcophagus. He once again spoke with The Fallen, who was furious that Megatron had taken this detour from his pursuit of the All Spark. He ordered him to resume the chase immediately, confident that it would guide itself to the harvester. Megatron obeyed, leaving the sarcophagus in the barren wreckage. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}
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====''I Can Read'' storybook continuity====
[[Image:TheFallen-RiseoftheDecepticons.jpg|left|thumb|200px|I can has face?]]
[[Image:TheFallen-thrownintospace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Maybe Prime doesn't want your stupid face!]]
The Fallen is the most powerful and evil of Decepticons, but he has been asleep for ages. But now he's woken up, and he has designs on Earth! Will he and Megatron be too powerful to defeat? {{storylink|Rise of the Decepticons}}

The Fallen flies towards Earth. Since he feeds on energy, he is more powerful than even Megatron! He plans to absorb the energy of Earth's Sun.

Thankfully, Optimus Prime and his Autobots are here to stop him. Ultimately, The Fallen is thrown through a portal leading into outer space. {{storylink|I Am Optimus Prime (ROTF)|I Am Optimus Prime}}
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====DK ''Transformers: The Movie Universe'' book====
The original Transformers, all of them Primes, were united by a directive that safeguarded all life, and as such they refused to utilize the harvester on the inhabited Earth. One of their number, however, decided "I want Energon!" and slaughtered his brothers so he could harvest the Sun. He threw away his original name and became the Fallen. In the end, he slaughtered all of his brethren, but they were still able to imprison him in a pocket dimension and save the Earth. In the process, his appearance had changed to a terrifying, cage-like exostructure burning with chaotic energies from the universe's creation, forces that had purged him of all morality. Since his body was never meant to contain the unholy power flowing through it, he had to steadily vent that energy to ensure his own continued existence. This created the visual effect of a constant fiery nimbus.

While effectively harmless to the universe outside his prison, his powers remained vast: He could generate space bridges spontaneously, as well as focus his energies into discrete blasts that could unmake creation itself. Were he ever able to escape, he would be a supremely powerful danger. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe|The Movie Universe}}

====Titan Magazines ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics====

[[Image:Titan1_FallenStarscream.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Behold my <strike>resting</strike> mighty hand!]]

The sinister figure of the Fallen made contact with [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] soon after Megatron's death, using him to organise the Decepticon army and lay the groundwork for his return, his... revenge! He ordered Starscream and his forces to go to Cybertron and await further instruction, and promised that once the Matrix was found, [[Earth]] would ''burn''! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.1|Training Day}}

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====''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Tony Todd]] (English), [[Banjō Ginga]] (Japanese)
{{spoiler|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|July 24, 2009}}

Nineteen thousand years ago, The Fallen went against the wishes of [[Seven Primes|his brother Primes]] and tried to harvest the sun of an inhabited planet, [[Earth]]. However, The Fallen was defeated and the remaining Primes hid themselves and the [[Matrix of Leadership]], and The Fallen's [[solar harvester]] was concealed within a pyramid in [[Egypt]]. The Fallen became known as the first [[Decepticon]], and he became the master of [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], leader of the faction. He employed Megatron in the pursuit of the [[All Spark]], but after Megatron's defeat at [[Mission City]], the All Spark was reduced to a mere fragment.

[[Image:ROTFteaser2_firerobot.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Not shown: all the Autobots yet to be composited into this shot.]]

Upon Megatron's revival he traveled to the ''[[Nemesis (ROTF)|Nemesis]]'', currently lying wrecked on one of [[Saturn]]'s moons, and prostrated himself before the Fallen. His master revealed the true nature of the All Spark and its continued survival within the human, [[Sam Witwicky]]. The Fallen also explained that the only threat to him was the last surviving [[Prime (ROTF)|Prime]], [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]]. He ordered Megatron to use the boy to draw Prime out.

{{note|The [[Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|novel adaptation]] identifies the location of the Nemesis as a planet orbiting a cooling star no longer able to give light or life.}}

With the death of the last remaining Prime, The Fallen made his move. He and several other Decepticons traveled to the Earth's surface in [[transition form|re-entry mode]]s, destroying an [[United States Navy#U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71)|aircraft carrier]] as well as attacking several cities. The Fallen tapped into Earth's communication network, and announced the presence of the Transformers on Earth on worldwide television, demanding the "human hive" hand over Sam.

Unfortunately, Sam was in Egypt hunting for the [[Matrix of Leadership]] after being told it might be able to revive Optimus. He succeeded, but moments after Prime's resurrection, The Fallen appeared amongst the assorted NEST troops, pinning Optimus and stealing the Matrix. He then teleported to the now uncovered harvester and used the Matrix to power it. While it charged, he demonstrated his considerable power by destroying the attacking military forces with telekinesis, but a super-powered Optimus Prime, now fused with [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]], destroyed the harvester. After a short but intense battle, Optimus ripped off The Fallen's face and punched through his abdomen, crushing his spark core, as a wounded Megatron watched in horror.{{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

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==Games==
===''Revenge of the Fallen: The Game''===
:''Voice actor:'' [[James Arnold Taylor]]

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==Toys==
===Titanium Series===
[[Image:Thefallentitanium.JPG|right|thumb|300px|Hey, Stegmutt! Mister The Fallen is ON FIRE!]]
*'''Fallen''' (6-inch Cybertron Heroes, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Display stand
: Instead of being based on his comic appearance, the Fallen toy is loosely based on [[Don Figueroa]]'s design for pre-[[Earth]] [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] as seen in ''[[Infiltration]]'' and ''[[Stormbringer (comics)|Stormbringer]]'', though obviously with The Fallen's head and deco. He transforms into a Cybertronic tank. Sadly his tank form doesn't hold together well, nor does he have actual hands, just blocks with holes in them. His side-mounted cannons can peg into his forearms in robot mode, or be held in his fists. He wears a faction symbol of his own effigy. So far, The Fallen is, by a fraction of an inch, the tallest (and the bulkiest) of the 6" Titanium Series figures.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Unicron/TheFallen/thefallen.htm More information on The Fallen at TFU.info]''

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===Revenge of the Fallen===
====Legends Class====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenLegends.jpg|right|thumb|300px|''*high-pitched helium voice*'' "I am the Faaallllleeeen!"]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Legends, 2009)
:Part of wave 3 of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends Class toys, The Fallen transforms from robot mode to a Cybertronian Destroyer.

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[[Image:ROTF_Legends_TheFallen_Lawson.jpg|thumb|300px|What, how dare they make me so small?! I was worshipped as a ''GOD!'']]
*'''Soundwave / EZ Collection The Fallen''' (2009)
:Available exclusively at the Lawson's convenience store in Japan (and the only way to obtain this figure in via TakaraTomy), this version of Legends class The Fallen has more paint applications than the Hasbro release. The Deluxe-class Preview Soundwave it comes with is unchanged from the regular release. Preorders opened on [[May 1]]st and close on [[June 30]]th, and the figure itself ships on [[October 16]]th.

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====Voyager Class====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenVoyager.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Smokin'!]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Voyager, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RD-10'''

:Part of wave two of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Voyager Class figures, The Fallen transforms from a robot into a "Cybertronian Destroyer" mode. The robot mode features several "slide-out energy absorption panels" on his head and arms which can either be deployed or hidden. In addition to that [[Mech Alive]] feature, his feet are spring-actioned so that when the toy is not standing on a surface (in other words, in jet mode), the toes ball up together. Setting the robot back down on a flat surface will splay the toes open again.

:There are rubbery connectors that attach his arms to his torso that increase accuracy to his visual portrayal in the live-action film, but this restricts his arm movement severely.

:There are at least two features to the toy not addressed on his instructions: first, the panels over the robot's forearms, which can be moved forward to cover the hands in vehicle mode; secondly, curved spikes which are normally in line with the upper legs can be rotated to point forward.

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[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenVoyagerorange.jpg|right|thumb|250px|CAUTION: HOT]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Voyager, 2009)

:A Target-[[exclusive]] redeco of The Fallen in a black and translucent orange colour scheme, both to homage the Fallen's original appearance in the Generation 1 continuity and presumably to show him being "on fire".
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====Robot Replicas====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenRobotReplica.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Yes! We come from France!]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Robot Replica, 2009)
:This nonconvertible figurine of The Fallen boasts several points of articulation, a faithful replication of the robot mode, and little else.
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==Merchandise==
===7-11 Slurpee tie-in merchandise===
[[Image:ROTFmerchandise-TheFallenstraw.jpg|right|thumb|150px|''Great'' Transformers tie-in merchandise or the ''greatest'' Transformers tie-in merchandise?]]
*'''The Fallen'''
: The Fallen will help you uncreate your Slurpee with this Slurpee straw topper figurine! Comes attached to a straw in a baggie and is available at your local 7-11 while supplies last!
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===Burger King===
[[Image:ROTFmerchandise-BurgerKingTheFallen.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Flame grilled to perfection]]
*'''The Fallen Flip-Out''' (2009)
:An embossed [[Giant Decepticon insignia|plastic Decepticon insignia]], which flips up into a flat representation of The Fallen with some shoulder articulation. The Fallen, naturally, has flames behind him.
::*''[http://www.toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=242&itemid=14653 More information on The Fallen at Toy News International]''
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===Robot Heroes===
[[Image:Robotheroesmegatronfallenprimejetfireironhide.jpg|300px|thumb|right|Whoa, who ordered the extra-large The Fallen?]]
*'''Battle for the Fallen''' (box set, 2009)
:This ''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]'' box set of figures comes with The Fallen, Megatron (tank mode), Optimus Prime and [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] combined, and [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] (truck mode). He is twice as large as a regular ''Robot Heroes'' figure, and has simple swivel joints in his arms.

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==Notes==
[[Image:Fallenpatlee.jpg|right|thumb|150px|I'm The Fallen, and I can't get up!]]
*The Fallen design was created by [[Pat Lee]], his first (and only) original Transformers character. ([[Simon Furman]] created the concept, see next item.) The early design concept not only lacked The Fallen's characteristic mouthplate, but differed incredibly from the final product. Envisioned as a medieval, ancient-looking Transformer, he glowed like a furnace, though he was not depicted as being perpetually on fire until [[Andrew Wildman]] penciled his appearances in ''[[The Dark Ages]]'' and the colorists caught on.
*The Fallen was also used to recycle some of Simon Furman's unused [[Last Autobot]] plans.[http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~sstoneb/tf/tidbits/otfcc2004.txt]
*When questioned about him constantly being aflame, ''War Within'' writer Simon Furman stated that The Fallen is always on fire "because it looks cool".
[[Image:Thefallentank.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The Judasmobile.]]
*The Fallen's Dreamwave comics [[altmode]], a tank, though designed, was never used in-fiction. Similarly, The Fallen is said to have ''no'' alternate mode in IDW comics, and he does not actually transform in the film.
*Very little of The Fallen's backstory was given in his first fictional appearances, leaving much of ''The Dark Ages'' somewhat confusing on its own. Helpful inserts from the ''More Than Meets the Eye'' profile books and DK's ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'', published around the same time, spelled out more. Eventually, the packaging profile printed on his Titanium figure gave the rest. Oh, and then years later, he was the titular villain of a summer blockbuster film.
* The proper treatment of his name, with its capital-T "The", is established both in the comics and the ''Ultimate Guide''. The one dissenting source is his on-package [[bio]], which simply calls him "'''Fallen'''" (as in, "'''Fallen''' forgot his real name long ago"). The reason for this awkward treatment is unknown, though the usual culprits behind toy-name oddities (guess) [[trademark]] issues.
* The Fallen can speak Spanish. <ref>Fanclub-exclusive Mini Mayhem strip, March 19, 2007</ref>
*During San Diego Comic-Con 2008, in an interview on July 25th, [[Simon Furman]] claimed that ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]'' would feature a character called the Fallen, which was a character they created for Dreamwave's ''The War Within: The Dark Ages''.<ref>[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17412 Simon Furman confirms The Fallen is a character in an interview with Comic Book Resources (Fallen details removed)]</ref> Three days later, [[IDW Publishing]] writer [[Chris Mowry]] corroborated the claim in an interview with MTV Splash Page, calling "The Fallen" the main villain of the film.<ref>[http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/07/28/exclusive-transformers-2-prequel-comic-gives-inside-scoop-on-2009-movie/ MTV Splash Page interviews Chris Mowry (Fallen details removed)]</ref> Less than a week after this, however, [[Michael Bay]] reiterated that everything leaked thus far is part of their misinformation campaign and that only a handful of people involved with the production of ''Revenge'' have seen the script, contradicting IDW's interviews where their representatives confirm that they have the script.<ref>[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44729&postcount=2 A post made by Michael Bay on his forum]</ref> Curiously, on August 5th 2008, after a fan posted on Michael Bay's forum pointing out the contradiction, all references to The Fallen were removed from the aforementioned interviews, as well as any references to IDW Publishing having the script.
*In Titan ''Transformers Comic'' [[Transformers Comic issue 15|Aftermath Part 2]], the newly-ascendant [[President of the United States]] is named [[Theodore Allen|'''The'''odore '''F. Allen''']]. It remains to be seen if the wordplay has any significance beyond the fact that he is under Decepticon [[Cerebro-strip|mind-control]].
*No toy or merchandise item includes the staff that was The Fallen's primary weapon in the film.

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[[Image:TheFallen_ROTF-AdaptationComic.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Not even the comic panel can contain him!]]

If the [[Thirteen original Transformers|first Transformers]] were [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s disciples, then '''The Fallen''' is its Judas. At the dawn of time, he was a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]], one of a brotherhood of vastly powerful beings dedicated to the well-being of their world. But The Fallen, whose original name has long since been forgotten, would gain his moniker by turning against his brothers and his purpose to pursue his own ends. His frightening form is a metal cage for primal, burning forces of [[Unicron|chaos]], giving him the appearance of a living furnace. These cauldron-like forces purged him of what empathy and morality remained.

The Fallen is immensely powerful. He commands mystic, entropic arts, and when at full strength he can un-make creation at his focused will. He is rarely defeated; at best he is contained, where he waits with eternal patience for the chance to unleash his dark powers once again. Though he has often been imprisoned between dimensions, this rarely lasts. The Fallen can open [[space bridge]]s and travel between dimensions, though he mostly uses this power to teleport short distances. Because of this ability, The Fallen has seen many universes. In several, he is the originator of the [[Decepticon]]s, the catalyst that prompted [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] to claim power for himself rather than the greater good.

If there is any reprieve, it is that there is only one of him. Like his brothers, The Fallen is a [[multiversal singularity]], meaning that in all of the vast [[Continuity|multiverse]], he has no alternate-universe doppelganger. But while the exact details of his past are hard to reconcile, two things remain consistent: He is bad news, and he's on fire.

==Origins==
As explained in more detail below, The Fallen has been given different origin stories that may be at odds with each other. His ''[[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]]'' portrayal, wrapped in the [[Primus]]/[[Unicron]] mythology, presents him as having been created by Primus to oversee the orderly process of entropy throughout the universe. Fascinated by the idea of cosmic destruction, The Fallen fell under the sway of the ultimate destroyer, Unicron, and he tried to help his new master by sabotaging Primus's bodily form, Cybertron. This failed, and when Unicron lost the battle against Primus, both he and The Fallen were banished to another dimension. From then on, The Fallen craved only the release of his master and the ultimate death of the universe.

This cosmology is reinforced by The Fallen's brief [[Unicron Trilogy]] appearance, where he is seen among the other 13 original Transformers, some of whom are known to have also survived to the present day.

However, his ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' portrayal lacks the Primus/Unicron element; the only creative power is the [[All Spark]], a far more impersonal entity. The Fallen and his fellow "Primes," who were not actually "Transformers" per se, had one mission: to recharge the All Spark by siphoning solar energy. The Fallen's crimes were that he wanted all of that energy for himself, and he was willing to sacrifice an inhabited world (Earth) to do it. His brother Primes did stop him, but at the cost of their own lives. Despite (or perhaps because of) their deaths, they were able to imprison The Fallen in another dimension, from whence he plots and schemes his escape.

So, while similar in form, The Fallen's stories disagree in many details. The ''Revenge of the Fallen'' universe is still being fleshed out, so perhaps future information will clarify the questionable areas.

==Fiction==
===''Generation 1''===
====Dreamwave comics continuity====

[[Image:Thefallenseeksfour.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Hey, The Fallen, ever heard of Tums?]]
When Primus and Unicron first battled as planets, Primus created the first 13 Transformers to assist him in planet mode. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}} The Fallen's original purpose as one of the 13 was to oversee entropy, the orderly dissolution of all things in preparation for the next creation. But the concept of destruction fascinated him too much, and he lost sight of the goal of rebirth and the necessity of restraint. His investigations into the dark sciences led him to Unicron, to whom he gave himself. <ref>[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/toys/titanium/the-fallen/1126/2/9/ Fallen's ''Titanium Series'' on-package bio]</ref> Corrupted by Unicron, the Fallen then tried to sabotage his creator's body. This attempt ended in failure, and "The Fallen" fled to his master, but there was little refuge to be found: They were both sucked into a [[black hole]]. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}}

Approximately 7 million years before the 21st century, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] were lost in a [[space bridge]] accident. This accident weakened the barrier between reality and the dimension in which The Fallen was trapped, allowing The Fallen to eventually break free and return to Cybertron.

[[Image:Thefallen.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Ah, you know it's funny, these people, they go to sleep, they think everything's fine, everything's good... They wake up the next day and they're on fire.]]

The Fallen immediately set about initiating the "[[Unbinding]]", an event which required four particular Transformers, who would function as "angles in the geometry of dissolution". To help him round up the required Transformers, the Fallen recruited a [[Chaos Trinity|trio of Decepticon outcasts]], [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], [[Mindwipe]], and [[Bugly]], who hungered for a command of the occult. The Fallen promised them all manner of dark powers in exchange for serving him. Leading his three followers to a hidden room within Cybertron, he named [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] as the first of the angles to be gathered. {{storylink|Fragmentation}}

The Fallen and company proceeded to construct a strange machine within the [[Well of All Sparks]] in preparation for the Unbinding. Unfortunately, Bludgeon and friends got impatient for more than The Fallen's praise and demanded a more tangible reward: the arcane power he had promised them. The Fallen responded by grabbing Bludgeon’s head and giving him a mere glimpse of what he sought: images of a fiery vortex, demonic faces, stabbing swords and a human skull engulfed Bludgeon. The Fallen stated that this was but a peek inside a dark door he would fully open if they served him well. This left Bludgeon suitably inspired to begin hunting down their targets.

[[Image:Thefallengrimlock.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Someone should tell Grimlock this more often.]]

Bugly and Mindwipe leaked information to draw the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] out into combat with [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], while Bludgeon hatched a plot to snare both Grimlock and[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]. {{storylink|Escalation (IDW)|Escalation}} Bludgeon, Bugly, and Mindwipe ambushed Jetfire as he attempted a cross-faction meeting with [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. When Grimlock crashed the party earlier than they expected, however, The Fallen himself had to intervene and caught Grimlock’s blazing energo-sword in his bare hand. {{storylink|Revelation (The Dark Ages)|Revelation}}

Grimlock took one punch from The Fallen yet still got back up, so The Fallen grabbed him by the shoulders and unleashed a huge blast of energy that put the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] leader out cold. He dragged Grimlock and Jetfire away and commanded his followers to gather the third angle while he handled the fourth. The Fallen singlehandedly abducted [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] from his well-guarded holding cell in Autobot headquarters, shrugging off attacks by some of the Autobots' best warriors and causing their weapons to corrode away into uselessness with a mere gesture. Bludgeon's team, meanwhile, succeeded in acquiring [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]] from the Protectobots.

[[Image:Fallenmoreonfire.jpg|right|thumb|250px|The Fallen somehow sets himself ''more on fire''.]]

All four angles were strapped to the device in the Well of All Sparks. Launching into full B-movie villain mode, The Fallen theatrically monologued to the awakening Jetfire that they were casualties in the war of the Gods, and would be used to break the Seal of Primus, after which "all chaos will follow". {{storylink|Confrontation (issue)|Confrontation}}

The Fallen continued his villainous monologue, apparently directing it not at Jetfire but at Primus himself, as the four Transformers' unique sparks were drained to unlock the Seal of Primus. A combined army of forces from several factions defeated the Chaos Trinity and penetrated The Fallen's operation, while Jetfire arranged a force-field to contain the energy of Primus. The God of Light himself was subsequently roused from his slumber; with a gesture of his radiant hand, he engulfed his wayward creation in a torrent of searing energy that was then sucked back into the Seal of Primus. {{storylink|Conflagration}}
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===Unicron Trilogy===
====''Cybertron'' comic====
[[Image:Vectorprimeut.jpg|thumb|140px|Back, and to the left.]]
[[Vector Prime]]'s reminiscences of his mission and history included standing with his fellow 13 original Transformers, The Fallen's silhouette visible in their ranks. {{storylink|Vector Prime: In the Beginning}}

{{note|This story and comments by [[Hasbro]] copy-writer [[Forest Lee]] are the basis of the notion that The Fallen, Vector Prime, and the other original 13 are singular entities with no duplicates throughout the multiverse. This was reiterated at [[BotCon 2009]], even in the face of the upcoming ''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie. Brave men these Hasbro writers be!}}
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===Live-action film series===
====IDW ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics====
[[Image:Defianceissue4-creation.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Look [[Prima|familiar]]?]]

According to what The Fallen told [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] as part of the latter's recruitment, The Fallen and his brothers were the first creations of the [[All Spark]]. The planet that would become [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] was mostly barren, but as the All Spark gradually shaped Cybertron around them and gave The Fallen and his brothers power beyond measure, the All Spark became depleted. They learned that the its power could be replenished by harvesting the energy of stars, but they were unable to locate new stars to suit their purposes, despite their amazing ability to travel between dimensions using triangular "sarcophagi."

A breakthrough came when the All Spark created for them [[Transformer|workers]] that had a power of their own: They could change their forms! Some, called "[[Seeker (body-type)|seeker]]s," could even change into interstellar crafts that could locate suns for them. But as the workers built a [[Solar Harvester|solar harvester]] on [[Earth]] to gather this solar energy, The Fallen wondered evil thoughts. What if only one harvested the energy? What if the power was his alone?

The Fallen betrayed his brothers. To erase their existence, he destroyed their sarcophagi, in which their life forces were stored. But this drained him of almost all his energy, and while he was weak, the brothers he thought he had killed... acted. They sacrificed themselves to trap him in a fiery dimension within his own sarcophagus, while the harvester on Earth was covered by the [[Human|natives]] with a pyramid. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}

[[Image:Defiance4_Megatron_TheFallen.jpg|thumb|300px|All right, who changed the thermostat!?]]

Knowledge of this was lost through the ages, and eons later, a mysterious pylon was found buried on Cybertron by modern-day Transformers and delivered to Megatron's private quarters. Unbeknownst to them all, this was the sarcophagus of The Fallen, and upon activation, it healed the grievously-wounded Cybertronian military leader and established contact between him and its prisoner. Filled with a new resolve to destroy those who sought out the All Spark, Megatron's optics were tinted red by the encounter. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 2}} In the aftermath of Megatron's ruthless battle against a band of aliens seeking the All Spark, The Fallen further counseled him to seize control of Cybertron to make way for The Fallen's return. He also told him that [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] sought the All Spark for himself, and Megatron immediately decided that Optimus and his followers deserved to be killed for this transgression. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 3}}

But simply taking the planet would not be enough. The Fallen also ordered Megatron to build a [[Nemesis (Movie)|space cruiser]] to seek out the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]], which he said was a prerequisite to his return. As the ship's construction came to an end, The Fallen told Megatron the story of his origin (recounted above) and his plans regarding the harvester on Earth. The Fallen ordered Megatron to put his sarcophagus on the ship and then stay behind to fight Optimus's forces and safeguard the All Spark. [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] and a majority of the Decepticon soldiers crewed the ship, which ended up crashing on some barren world under unknown circumstances.

Meanwhile on Cybertron, civil war raged between Optimus's Autobots and Megatron's Decepticons, a war which eventually led to the All Spark being launched into space. As Megatron alone pursued the hurtling cube, he picked up a distress signal from the ''Nemesis.'' He found the crashed ship and within it the still-intact sarcophagus. He once again spoke with The Fallen, who was furious that Megatron had taken this detour from his pursuit of the All Spark. He ordered him to resume the chase immediately, confident that it would guide itself to the harvester. Megatron obeyed, leaving the sarcophagus in the barren wreckage. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}
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====''I Can Read'' storybook continuity====
[[Image:TheFallen-RiseoftheDecepticons.jpg|left|thumb|200px|I can has face?]]
[[Image:TheFallen-thrownintospace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Maybe Prime doesn't want your stupid face!]]
The Fallen is the most powerful and evil of Decepticons, but he has been asleep for ages. But now he's woken up, and he has designs on Earth! Will he and Megatron be too powerful to defeat? {{storylink|Rise of the Decepticons}}

The Fallen flies towards Earth. Since he feeds on energy, he is more powerful than even Megatron! He plans to absorb the energy of Earth's Sun.

Thankfully, Optimus Prime and his Autobots are here to stop him. Ultimately, The Fallen is thrown through a portal leading into outer space. {{storylink|I Am Optimus Prime (ROTF)|I Am Optimus Prime}}
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====DK ''Transformers: The Movie Universe'' book====
The original Transformers, all of them Primes, were united by a directive that safeguarded all life, and as such they refused to utilize the harvester on the inhabited Earth. One of their number, however, decided "I want Energon!" and slaughtered his brothers so he could harvest the Sun. He threw away his original name and became the Fallen. In the end, he slaughtered all of his brethren, but they were still able to imprison him in a pocket dimension and save the Earth. In the process, his appearance had changed to a terrifying, cage-like exostructure burning with chaotic energies from the universe's creation, forces that had purged him of all morality. Since his body was never meant to contain the unholy power flowing through it, he had to steadily vent that energy to ensure his own continued existence. This created the visual effect of a constant fiery nimbus.

While effectively harmless to the universe outside his prison, his powers remained vast: He could generate space bridges spontaneously, as well as focus his energies into discrete blasts that could unmake creation itself. Were he ever able to escape, he would be a supremely powerful danger. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe|The Movie Universe}}

====Titan Magazines ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics====

[[Image:Titan1_FallenStarscream.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Behold my <strike>resting</strike> mighty hand!]]

The sinister figure of the Fallen made contact with [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] soon after Megatron's death, using him to organise the Decepticon army and lay the groundwork for his return, his... revenge! He ordered Starscream and his forces to go to Cybertron and await further instruction, and promised that once the Matrix was found, [[Earth]] would ''burn''! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.1|Training Day}}

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====''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Tony Todd]] (English), [[Banjō Ginga]] (Japanese)
{{spoiler|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|July 24, 2009}}

Nineteen thousand years ago, The Fallen went against the wishes of [[Seven Primes|his brother Primes]] and tried to harvest the sun of an inhabited planet, [[Earth]]. However, The Fallen was defeated and the remaining Primes hid themselves and the [[Matrix of Leadership]], and The Fallen's [[solar harvester]] was concealed within a pyramid in [[Egypt]]. The Fallen became known as the first [[Decepticon]], and he became the master of [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], leader of the faction. He employed Megatron in the pursuit of the [[All Spark]], but after Megatron's defeat at [[Mission City]], the All Spark was reduced to a mere fragment.

[[Image:ROTFteaser2_firerobot.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Not shown: all the Autobots yet to be composited into this shot.]]

Upon Megatron's revival he traveled to the ''[[Nemesis (ROTF)|Nemesis]]'', currently lying wrecked on one of [[Saturn]]'s moons, and prostrated himself before the Fallen. His master revealed the true nature of the All Spark and its continued survival within the human, [[Sam Witwicky]]. The Fallen also explained that the only threat to him was the last surviving [[Prime (ROTF)|Prime]], [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]]. He ordered Megatron to use the boy to draw Prime out.

{{note|The [[Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|novel adaptation]] identifies the location of the Nemesis as a planet orbiting a cooling star no longer able to give light or life.}}

With the death of the last remaining Prime, The Fallen made his move. He and several other Decepticons traveled to the Earth's surface in [[transition form|re-entry mode]]s, destroying an [[United States Navy#U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71)|aircraft carrier]] as well as attacking several cities. The Fallen tapped into Earth's communication network, and announced the presence of the Transformers on Earth on worldwide television, demanding the "human hive" hand over Sam.

Unfortunately, Sam was in Egypt hunting for the [[Matrix of Leadership]] after being told it might be able to revive Optimus. He succeeded, but moments after Prime's resurrection, The Fallen appeared amongst the assorted NEST troops, pinning Optimus and stealing the Matrix. He then teleported to the now uncovered harvester and used the Matrix to power it. While it charged, he demonstrated his considerable power by destroying the attacking military forces with telekinesis, but a super-powered Optimus Prime, now fused with [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]], destroyed the harvester. After a short but intense battle, Optimus ripped off The Fallen's face and punched through his abdomen, crushing his spark core, as a wounded Megatron watched in horror.{{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

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==Games==
===''Revenge of the Fallen: The Game''===
:''Voice actor:'' [[James Arnold Taylor]]

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==Toys==
===Titanium Series===
[[Image:Thefallentitanium.JPG|right|thumb|300px|Hey, Stegmutt! Mister The Fallen is ON FIRE!]]
*'''Fallen''' (6-inch Cybertron Heroes, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Display stand
: Instead of being based on his comic appearance, the Fallen toy is loosely based on [[Don Figueroa]]'s design for pre-[[Earth]] [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] as seen in ''[[Infiltration]]'' and ''[[Stormbringer (comics)|Stormbringer]]'', though obviously with The Fallen's head and deco. He transforms into a Cybertronic tank. Sadly his tank form doesn't hold together well, nor does he have actual hands, just blocks with holes in them. His side-mounted cannons can peg into his forearms in robot mode, or be held in his fists. He wears a faction symbol of his own effigy. So far, The Fallen is, by a fraction of an inch, the tallest (and the bulkiest) of the 6" Titanium Series figures.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Unicron/TheFallen/thefallen.htm More information on The Fallen at TFU.info]''

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===Revenge of the Fallen===
====Legends Class====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenLegends.jpg|right|thumb|300px|''*high-pitched helium voice*'' "I am the Faaallllleeeen!"]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Legends, 2009)
:Part of wave 3 of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends Class toys, The Fallen transforms from robot mode to a Cybertronian Destroyer.

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[[Image:ROTF_Legends_TheFallen_Lawson.jpg|thumb|300px|What, how dare they make me so small?! I was worshipped as a ''GOD!'']]
*'''Soundwave / EZ Collection The Fallen''' (2009)
:Available exclusively at the Lawson's convenience store in Japan (and the only way to obtain this figure in via TakaraTomy), this version of Legends class The Fallen has more paint applications than the Hasbro release. The Deluxe-class Preview Soundwave it comes with is unchanged from the regular release. Preorders opened on [[May 1]]st and close on [[June 30]]th, and the figure itself ships on [[October 16]]th.

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====Voyager Class====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenVoyager.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Smokin'!]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Voyager, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RD-10'''

:Part of wave two of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Voyager Class figures, The Fallen transforms from a robot into a "Cybertronian Destroyer" mode. The robot mode features several "slide-out energy absorption panels" on his head and arms which can either be deployed or hidden. In addition to that [[Mech Alive]] feature, his feet are spring-actioned so that when the toy is not standing on a surface (in other words, in jet mode), the toes ball up together. Setting the robot back down on a flat surface will splay the toes open again.

:There are rubbery connectors that attach his arms to his torso that increase accuracy to his visual portrayal in the live-action film, but this restricts his arm movement severely.

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[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenVoyagerorange.jpg|right|thumb|250px|CAUTION: HOT]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Voyager, 2009)

:A Target-[[exclusive]] redeco of The Fallen in a black and translucent orange colour scheme, both to homage the Fallen's original appearance in the Generation 1 continuity and presumably to show him being "on fire".
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====Robot Replicas====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenRobotReplica.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Yes! We come from France!]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Robot Replica, 2009)
:This nonconvertible figurine of The Fallen boasts several points of articulation, a faithful replication of the robot mode, and little else.
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==Merchandise==
===7-11 Slurpee tie-in merchandise===
[[Image:ROTFmerchandise-TheFallenstraw.jpg|right|thumb|150px|''Great'' Transformers tie-in merchandise or the ''greatest'' Transformers tie-in merchandise?]]
*'''The Fallen'''
: The Fallen will help you uncreate your Slurpee with this Slurpee straw topper figurine! Comes attached to a straw in a baggie and is available at your local 7-11 while supplies last!
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===Burger King===
[[Image:ROTFmerchandise-BurgerKingTheFallen.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Flame grilled to perfection]]
*'''The Fallen Flip-Out''' (2009)
:An embossed [[Giant Decepticon insignia|plastic Decepticon insignia]], which flips up into a flat representation of The Fallen with some shoulder articulation. The Fallen, naturally, has flames behind him.
::*''[http://www.toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=242&itemid=14653 More information on The Fallen at Toy News International]''
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===Robot Heroes===
[[Image:Robotheroesmegatronfallenprimejetfireironhide.jpg|300px|thumb|right|Whoa, who ordered the extra-large The Fallen?]]
*'''Battle for the Fallen''' (box set, 2009)
:This ''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]'' box set of figures comes with The Fallen, Megatron (tank mode), Optimus Prime and [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] combined, and [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] (truck mode). He is twice as large as a regular ''Robot Heroes'' figure, and has simple swivel joints in his arms.

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==Notes==
[[Image:Fallenpatlee.jpg|right|thumb|150px|I'm The Fallen, and I can't get up!]]
*The Fallen design was created by [[Pat Lee]], his first (and only) original Transformers character. ([[Simon Furman]] created the concept, see next item.) The early design concept not only lacked The Fallen's characteristic mouthplate, but differed incredibly from the final product. Envisioned as a medieval, ancient-looking Transformer, he glowed like a furnace, though he was not depicted as being perpetually on fire until [[Andrew Wildman]] penciled his appearances in ''[[The Dark Ages]]'' and the colorists caught on.
*The Fallen was also used to recycle some of Simon Furman's unused [[Last Autobot]] plans.[http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~sstoneb/tf/tidbits/otfcc2004.txt]
*When questioned about him constantly being aflame, ''War Within'' writer Simon Furman stated that The Fallen is always on fire "because it looks cool".
[[Image:Thefallentank.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The Judasmobile.]]
*The Fallen's Dreamwave comics [[altmode]], a tank, though designed, was never used in-fiction. Similarly, The Fallen is said to have ''no'' alternate mode in IDW comics, and he does not actually transform in the film.
*Very little of The Fallen's backstory was given in his first fictional appearances, leaving much of ''The Dark Ages'' somewhat confusing on its own. Helpful inserts from the ''More Than Meets the Eye'' profile books and DK's ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'', published around the same time, spelled out more. Eventually, the packaging profile printed on his Titanium figure gave the rest. Oh, and then years later, he was the titular villain of a summer blockbuster film.
* The proper treatment of his name, with its capital-T "The", is established both in the comics and the ''Ultimate Guide''. The one dissenting source is his on-package [[bio]], which simply calls him "'''Fallen'''" (as in, "'''Fallen''' forgot his real name long ago"). The reason for this awkward treatment is unknown, though the usual culprits behind toy-name oddities (guess) [[trademark]] issues.
* The Fallen can speak Spanish. <ref>Fanclub-exclusive Mini Mayhem strip, March 19, 2007</ref>
*During San Diego Comic-Con 2008, in an interview on July 25th, [[Simon Furman]] claimed that ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]'' would feature a character called the Fallen, which was a character they created for Dreamwave's ''The War Within: The Dark Ages''.<ref>[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17412 Simon Furman confirms The Fallen is a character in an interview with Comic Book Resources (Fallen details removed)]</ref> Three days later, [[IDW Publishing]] writer [[Chris Mowry]] corroborated the claim in an interview with MTV Splash Page, calling "The Fallen" the main villain of the film.<ref>[http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/07/28/exclusive-transformers-2-prequel-comic-gives-inside-scoop-on-2009-movie/ MTV Splash Page interviews Chris Mowry (Fallen details removed)]</ref> Less than a week after this, however, [[Michael Bay]] reiterated that everything leaked thus far is part of their misinformation campaign and that only a handful of people involved with the production of ''Revenge'' have seen the script, contradicting IDW's interviews where their representatives confirm that they have the script.<ref>[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44729&postcount=2 A post made by Michael Bay on his forum]</ref> Curiously, on August 5th 2008, after a fan posted on Michael Bay's forum pointing out the contradiction, all references to The Fallen were removed from the aforementioned interviews, as well as any references to IDW Publishing having the script.
*In Titan ''Transformers Comic'' [[Transformers Comic issue 15|Aftermath Part 2]], the newly-ascendant [[President of the United States]] is named [[Theodore Allen|'''The'''odore '''F. Allen''']]. It remains to be seen if the wordplay has any significance beyond the fact that he is under Decepticon [[Cerebro-strip|mind-control]].
*No toy or merchandise item includes the staff that was The Fallen's primary weapon in the film.

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Omega Prime

2009-07-05T00:46:22Z

Boba Fett: /* Fun Publications Cybertron Comic */

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:''Omega Prime is an [[Autobot]] in the [[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|Robots in Disguise]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:Omega Prime official.jpg|thumb|He can get any girl he wants... Even ''your'' girlfriend.]]

Due to the greed of [[Ultra Magnus (RID)|Ultra Magnus]], [[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus Prime]] was forced into a combination with his brother. Ultra Magnus merely wanted the power of the [[Matrix of Leadership]] for himself, thinking that a combination would let him access that power. The result of their combination is '''Omega Prime''', arguably the most powerful character to ever bear the name "Prime", as he has easily defeated the entire antagonist cast in [[Robots in Disguise (cartoon)| Robots in Disguise]] on his own on multiple occasions.

:'''Japanese name:''' ''God Fire Convoy''

==Fiction==
===Robots in Disguise cartoon===
[[Image:Omega Prime closeup.jpg|thumb|right|He's neither making a list, nor checking it twice!]]
:''Voice actor:'' [[Daniel Riordan]] (English), ? (Japanese)
During a fight with [[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]], Optimus was ganged up on by several [[Predacon (RID)|Predacons]] who nearly destroyed him. Ultra Magnus showed after having followed [[Sky-Byte]] via a hidden tracking device. Feigning compassion and understanding his brother's heavy burden in carrying the Matrix, Ultra Magnus pretended to offer Prime his helping hand, only to seize it and force the two of them to combine. What he didn't expect, though, was that Optimus had as much control over their new body as UM did. His plan to steal the power of the Matrix backfired and he had to cooperate with Prime to defeat the Predacons. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus: Forced Fusion!|Ultra Magnus: Forced Fusion!}}

Omega Prime would later wield the [[Matrix Blade]] in the final battle against Galvatron. {{storylink|The Final Battle (RID)|The Final Battle}}

===Universe===
===Fun Publications Cybertron Comic===
Once again, Optimus and Magnus would team up to become Omega Prime. When the twins were abducted by the [[Unicron|Chaos Bringer]] and pitted against his minions, the two combined into Omega Prime in order to fight off the Planet Eater's forces. The fight ended early, as Unicron's physical form was destroyed in another universe, resulting in a [[Unicron Singularity|gigantic black hole]] that threatened to unravel the very fabric of existence. He later used his boot of justice to stop [[Nemesis Prime (Universe 2003)|Nemesis Prime]] from using the [[Dead Matrix]] to revive Unicron, having been re-directed to [[Primus]]'s core by [[Over-Run (Armada)|Over-Run]].

He later joined [[Sentinel Maximus]], [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]], and [[Downshift (Energon)|Downshift]] in fighting the [[Mini-Con Civil War]], and against Unicron. {{storylink|Revelations|Revelations}}

==Toys==
===Car Robots===
{{cleanup|April 2009|Were Fire Convoy and God Magnus released in a regular 2 pack ever?}}
[[Image:Omega Prime toy.jpg|thumb|right|TIIIMBERRRR!!!]]
* '''Super Fire Convoy''' and '''God Magnus''' (2000)

: Simply a combination of Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus, this toy was available in a two pack of the two smaller robots. However, the two-pack was short-lived and the easiest way to get it was to buy the two separate toys individually.

*'''God Fire Convoy''' (2000)
**''Accessories:'' Matrix Blade

: Released on November 23, 2000 as a Toys'R'Us Japan [[exclusive]], the God Fire Convoy set featured Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus cast in metallic speckled translucent plastics with colour changes. The main draw card of the set is the [[Matrix Blade]], which was a redeco of the [[Master Sword]] from the Japanese version of [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] with a new (floppy) long handle.

===Universe===
* '''Optimus Prime''' and '''Ultra Magnus''' (Sam's Club exclusives, 2003)

: Redecos of the first toys, the red on Prime was replaced with yellow, and Magnus's blue was replaced with black.

===Cybertron===
* '''Optimus Prime''' and '''Ultra Magnus''' (CostCo Exclusive, 2006)

: This set used Prime's RID deco and Magnus's Universe deco packaged in a single gigantic box. In the [[United States]], it was only available in CostCo for slightly less than the two individual figures. In [[Australia]], it was carried by Myer, costing less than two leader class ''Cybertron'' figures, but slightly more than the cost of RID Optimus Prime and RID Ultra Magnus at 2001 prices.

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/2001/Autobot/OmegaPrime/omegaprime.htm Omega Prime at TFU.info]
*[http://www.mykooltoyz.com/godfireconvoy.html God Fire Convoy gallery at MyKoolToyz.com]

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The Fallen

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[[Image:TheFallen_ROTF-AdaptationComic.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Not even the comic panel can contain him!]]

If the [[Thirteen original Transformers|first Transformers]] were [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s disciples, then '''The Fallen''' is its Judas. At the dawn of time, he was a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]], one of a brotherhood of vastly powerful beings dedicated to the well-being of their world. But The Fallen, whose original name has long since been forgotten, would gain his moniker by turning against his brothers and his purpose to pursue his own ends. His frightening form is a metal cage for primal, burning forces of [[Unicron|chaos]], giving him the appearance of a living furnace. These cauldron-like forces purged him of what empathy and morality remained.

The Fallen is immensely powerful. He commands mystic, entropic arts, and when at full strength he can un-make creation at his focused will. He is rarely defeated; at best he is contained, where he waits with eternal patience for the chance to unleash his dark powers once again. Though he has often been imprisoned between dimensions, this rarely lasts. The Fallen can open [[space bridge]]s and travel between dimensions, though he mostly uses this power to teleport short distances. Because of this ability, The Fallen has seen many universes. In several, he is the originator of the [[Decepticon]]s, the catalyst that prompted [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] to claim power for himself rather than the greater good.

If there is any reprieve, it is that there is only one of him. Like his brothers, The Fallen is a [[multiversal singularity]], meaning that in all of the vast [[Continuity|multiverse]], he has no alternate-universe doppelganger. But while the the exact details of his past are hard to reconcile, two things remain consistent: He is bad news, and he's on fire.

==Origins==
As explained in more detail below, The Fallen has been given different origin stories that may be at odds with each other. His ''[[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]]'' portrayal, wrapped in the [[Primus]]/[[Unicron]] mythology, presents him as having been created by Primus to oversee the orderly process of entropy throughout the universe. Fascinated by the idea of cosmic destruction, The Fallen fell under the sway of the ultimate destroyer, Unicron, and he tried to help his new master by sabotaging Primus's bodily form, Cybertron. This failed, and when Unicron lost the battle against Primus, both he and The Fallen were banished to another dimension. From then on, The Fallen craved only the release of his master and the ultimate death of the universe.

This cosmology is reinforced by The Fallen's brief [[Unicron Trilogy]] appearance, where he is seen among the other 13 original Transformers, some of whom are known to have also survived to the present day.

However, his ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' portrayal lacks the Primus/Unicron element; the only creative power is the [[All Spark]], a far more impersonal entity. The Fallen and his fellow "Primes," who were not actually "Transformers" per se, had one mission: to recharge the All Spark by siphoning solar energy. The Fallen's crimes were that he wanted all of that energy for himself, and he was willing to sacrifice an inhabited world (Earth) to do it. His brother Primes did stop him, but at the cost of their own lives. Despite (or perhaps because of) their deaths, they were able to imprison The Fallen in another dimension, from whence he plots and schemes his escape.

So, while similar in form, The Fallen's stories disagree in many details. The ''Revenge of the Fallen'' universe is still being fleshed out, so perhaps future information will clarify the questionable areas.

==Fiction==
===''Generation 1''===
====Dreamwave comics continuity====

[[Image:Thefallenseeksfour.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Hey, The Fallen, ever heard of Tums?]]
When Primus and Unicron first battled as planets, Primus created the first 13 Transformers to assist him in planet mode. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}} The Fallen's original purpose as one of the 13 was to oversee entropy, the orderly dissolution of all things in preparation for the next creation. But the concept of destruction fascinated him too much, and he lost sight of the goal of rebirth and the necessity of restraint. His investigations into the dark sciences led him to Unicron, to whom he gave himself. <ref>[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/toys/titanium/the-fallen/1126/2/9/ Fallen's ''Titanium Series'' on-package bio]</ref> Corrupted by Unicron, the Fallen then tried to sabotage his creator's body. This attempt ended in failure, and "The Fallen" fled to his master, but there was little refuge to be found: They were both sucked into a [[black hole]]. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}}

Approximately 7 million years before the 21st century, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] were lost in a [[space bridge]] accident. This accident weakened the barrier between reality and the dimension in which The Fallen was trapped, allowing The Fallen to eventually break free and return to Cybertron.

[[Image:Thefallen.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Ah, you know it's funny, these people, they go to sleep, they think everything's fine, everything's good... They wake up the next day and they're on fire.]]

The Fallen immediately set about initiating the "[[Unbinding]]", an event which required four particular Transformers, who would function as "angles in the geometry of dissolution". To help him round up the required Transformers, the Fallen recruited a [[Chaos Trinity|trio of Decepticon outcasts]], [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], [[Mindwipe]], and [[Bugly]], who hungered for a command of the occult. The Fallen promised them all manner of dark powers in exchange for serving him. Leading his three followers to a hidden room within Cybertron, he named [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] as the first of the angles to be gathered. {{storylink|Fragmentation}}

The Fallen and company proceeded to construct a strange machine within the [[Well of All Sparks]] in preparation for the Unbinding. Unfortunately, Bludgeon and friends got impatient for more than The Fallen's praise and demanded a more tangible reward: the arcane power he had promised them. The Fallen responded by grabbing Bludgeon’s head and giving him a mere glimpse of what he sought: images of a fiery vortex, demonic faces, stabbing swords and a human skull engulfed Bludgeon. The Fallen stated that this was but a peek inside a dark door he would fully open if they served him well. This left Bludgeon suitably inspired to begin hunting down their targets.

[[Image:Thefallengrimlock.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Someone should tell Grimlock this more often.]]

Bugly and Mindwipe leaked information to draw the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] out into combat with [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], while Bludgeon hatched a plot to snare both Grimlock and[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]. {{storylink|Escalation (IDW)|Escalation}} Bludgeon, Bugly, and Mindwipe ambushed Jetfire as he attempted a cross-faction meeting with [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. When Grimlock crashed the party earlier than they expected, however, The Fallen himself had to intervene and caught Grimlock’s blazing energo-sword in his bare hand. {{storylink|Revelation (The Dark Ages)|Revelation}}

Grimlock took one punch from The Fallen yet still got back up, so The Fallen grabbed him by the shoulders and unleashed a huge blast of energy that put the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] leader out cold. He dragged Grimlock and Jetfire away and commanded his followers to gather the third angle while he handled the fourth. The Fallen singlehandedly abducted [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] from his well-guarded holding cell in Autobot headquarters, shrugging off attacks by some of the Autobots' best warriors and causing their weapons to corrode away into uselessness with a mere gesture. Bludgeon's team, meanwhile, succeeded in acquiring [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]] from the Protectobots.

[[Image:Fallenmoreonfire.jpg|right|thumb|250px|The Fallen somehow sets himself ''more on fire''.]]

All four angles were strapped to the device in the Well of All Sparks. Launching into full B-movie villain mode, The Fallen theatrically monologued to the awakening Jetfire that they were casualties in the war of the Gods, and would be used to break the Seal of Primus, after which "all chaos will follow". {{storylink|Confrontation (issue)|Confrontation}}

The Fallen continued his villainous monologue, apparently directing it not at Jetfire but at Primus himself, as the four Transformers' unique sparks were drained to unlock the Seal of Primus. A combined army of forces from several factions defeated the Chaos Trinity and penetrated The Fallen's operation, while Jetfire arranged a force-field to contain the energy of Primus. The God of Light himself was subsequently roused from his slumber; with a gesture of his radiant hand, he engulfed his wayward creation in a torrent of searing energy that was then sucked back into the Seal of Primus. {{storylink|Conflagration}}
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===Unicron Trilogy===
====''Cybertron'' comic====
[[Image:Vectorprimeut.jpg|thumb|140px|Back, and to the left.]]
[[Vector Prime]]'s reminiscences of his mission and history included standing with his fellow 13 original Transformers, The Fallen's silhouette visible in their ranks. {{storylink|Vector Prime: In the Beginning}}

{{note|This story and comments by [[Hasbro]] copy-writer [[Forest Lee]] are the basis of the notion that The Fallen, Vector Prime, and the other original 13 are singular entities with no duplicates throughout the multiverse. This was reiterated at [[BotCon 2009]], even in the face of the upcoming ''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie. Brave men these Hasbro writers be!}}
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===Live-action film series===
====IDW ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics====
[[Image:Defianceissue4-creation.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Look [[Prima|familiar]]?]]

According to what The Fallen told [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] as part of the latter's recruitment, The Fallen and his brothers were the first creations of the [[All Spark]]. The planet that would become [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] was mostly barren, but as the All Spark gradually shaped Cybertron around them and gave The Fallen and his brothers power beyond measure, the All Spark became depleted. They learned that the its power could be replenished by harvesting the energy of stars, but they were unable to locate new stars to suit their purposes, despite their amazing ability to travel between dimensions using triangular "sarcophagi."

A breakthrough came when the All Spark created for them [[Transformer|workers]] that had a power of their own: They could change their forms! Some, called "[[Seeker (body-type)|seeker]]s," could even change into interstellar crafts that could locate suns for them. But as the workers built a [[Solar Harvester|solar harvester]] on [[Earth]] to gather this solar energy, The Fallen wondered evil thoughts. What if only one harvested the energy? What if the power was his alone?

The Fallen betrayed his brothers. To erase their existence, he destroyed their sarcophagi, in which their life forces were stored. But this drained him of almost all his energy, and while he was weak, the brothers he thought he had killed... acted. They sacrificed themselves to trap him in a fiery dimension within his own sarcophagus, while the harvester on Earth was covered by the [[Human|natives]] with a pyramid. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}

[[Image:Defiance4_Megatron_TheFallen.jpg|thumb|300px|All right, who changed the thermostat!?]]

Knowledge of this was lost through the ages, and eons later, a mysterious pylon was found buried on Cybertron by modern-day Transformers and delivered to Megatron's private quarters. Unbeknownst to them all, this was the sarcophagus of The Fallen, and upon activation, it healed the grievously-wounded Cybertronian military leader and established contact between him and its prisoner. Filled with a new resolve to destroy those who sought out the All Spark, Megatron's optics were tinted red by the encounter. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 2}} In the aftermath of Megatron's ruthless battle against a band of aliens seeking the All Spark, The Fallen further counseled him to seize control of Cybertron to make way for The Fallen's return. He also told him that [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] sought the All Spark for himself, and Megatron immediately decided that Optimus and his followers deserved to be killed for this transgression. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 3}}

But simply taking the planet would not be enough. The Fallen also ordered Megatron to build a [[Nemesis (Movie)|space cruiser]] to seek out the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]], which he said was a prerequisite to his return. As the ship's construction came to an end, The Fallen told Megatron the story of his origin (recounted above) and his plans regarding the harvester on Earth. The Fallen ordered Megatron to put his sarcophagus on the ship and then stay behind to fight Optimus's forces and safeguard the All Spark. [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] and a majority of the Decepticon soldiers crewed the ship, which ended up crashing on some barren world under unknown circumstances.

Meanwhile on Cybertron, civil war raged between Optimus's Autobots and Megatron's Decepticons, a war which eventually led to the All Spark being launched into space. As Megatron alone pursued the hurtling cube, he picked up a distress signal from the ''Nemesis.'' He found the crashed ship and within it the still-intact sarcophagus. He once again spoke with The Fallen, who was furious that Megatron had taken this detour from his pursuit of the All Spark. He ordered him to resume the chase immediately, confident that it would guide itself to the harvester. Megatron obeyed, leaving the sarcophagus in the barren wreckage. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}
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====''I Can Read'' storybook continuity====
[[Image:TheFallen-RiseoftheDecepticons.jpg|left|thumb|200px|I can has face?]]
[[Image:TheFallen-thrownintospace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Maybe Prime doesn't want your stupid face!]]
The Fallen is the most powerful and evil of Decepticons, but he has been asleep for ages. But now he's woken up, and he has designs on Earth! Will he and Megatron be too powerful to defeat? {{storylink|Rise of the Decepticons}}

The Fallen flies towards Earth. Since he feeds on energy, he is more powerful than even Megatron! He plans to absorb the energy of Earth's Sun.

Thankfully, Optimus Prime and his Autobots are here to stop him. Ultimately, The Fallen is thrown through a portal leading into outer space. {{storylink|I Am Optimus Prime (ROTF)|I Am Optimus Prime}}
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====DK ''Transformers: The Movie Universe'' book====
The original Transformers, all of them Primes, were united by a directive that safeguarded all life, and as such they refused to utilize the harvester on the inhabited Earth. One of their number, however, decided "I want Energon!" and slaughtered his brothers so he could harvest the Sun. He threw away his original name became the Fallen. In the end, he slaughtered all of his brethren, but they were still able to imprison him in a pocket dimension and save the Earth. In the process, his appearance had changed to a terrifying, cage-like exostructure burning with chaotic energies from the universe's creation, forces that had purged him of all morality. Since his body was never meant to contain the unholy power flowing through it, he had to steadily vent that energy to ensure his own continued existence. This created the visual effect of a constant fiery nimbus.

While effectively harmless to the universe outside his prison, his powers remained vast: He could generate space bridges spontaneously, as well as focus his energies into discrete blasts that could unmake creation itself. Were he ever able to escape, he would be a supremely powerful danger. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe|The Movie Universe}}

====Titan Magazines ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics====

[[Image:Titan1_FallenStarscream.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Behold my <strike>resting</strike> mighty hand!]]

The sinister figure of the Fallen made contact with [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] soon after Megatron's death, using him to organise the Decepticon army and lay the groundwork for his return, his... revenge! He ordered Starscream and his forces to go to Cybertron and await further instruction, and promised that once the Matrix was found, [[Earth]] would ''burn''! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.1|Training Day}}

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====''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Tony Todd]] (English), [[Banjō Ginga]] (Japanese)
{{spoiler|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|July 24, 2009}}

Nineteen thousand years ago, The Fallen went against the wishes of [[Seven Primes|his brother Primes]] and tried to harvest the sun of an inhabited planet, [[Earth]]. However, The Fallen was defeated and the remaining Primes hid themselves and the [[Matrix of Leadership]], and The Fallen's [[solar harvester]] was concealed within a pyramid in [[Egypt]]. The Fallen became known as the first [[Decepticon]], and he became the master of [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], leader of the faction. He employed Megatron in the pursuit of the [[All Spark]], but after Megatron's defeat at [[Mission City]], the All Spark was reduced to a mere fragment.

[[Image:ROTFteaser2_firerobot.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Not shown: all the Autobots yet to be composited into this shot.]]

Upon Megatron's revival he traveled to the ''[[Nemesis (ROTF)|Nemesis]]'', currently lying wrecked on one of [[Saturn]]'s moons, and prostrated himself before the Fallen. His master revealed the true nature of the All Spark and its continued survival within the human, [[Sam Witwicky]]. The Fallen also explained that the only threat to him was the last surviving [[Prime (ROTF)|Prime]], [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]]. He ordered Megatron to use the boy to draw Prime out.

{{note|The [[Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|novel adaptation]] identifies the location of the Nemesis as a planet orbiting a cooling star no longer able to give light or life.}}

With the death of the last remaining Prime, The Fallen made his move. He and several other Decepticons traveled to the Earth's surface in [[transition form|re-entry mode]]s, destroying an [[United States Navy#U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71)|aircraft carrier]] as well as attacking several cities. The Fallen tapped into Earth's communication network, and announced the presence of the Transformers on Earth on worldwide television, demanding the "human hive" hand over Sam.

Unfortunately, Sam was in Egypt hunting for the [[Matrix of Leadership]] after being told it might be able to revive Optimus. He succeeded, but moments after Prime's resurrection, The Fallen appeared amongst the assorted NEST troops, pinning Optimus and stealing the Matrix. He then teleported to the now uncovered harvester and used the Matrix to power it. While it charged, he demonstrated his considerable power by destroying the attacking military forces with telekinesis, but a super-powered Optimus Prime, now fused with [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]], destroyed the harvester. After a short but intense battle, Optimus ripped off The Fallen's face and punched through his abdomen, crushing his spark core, as a wounded Megatron watched in horror.{{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

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==Games==
===''Revenge of the Fallen: The Game''===
:''Voice actor:'' [[James Arnold Taylor]]

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==Toys==
===Titanium Series===
[[Image:Thefallentitanium.JPG|right|thumb|300px|Hey, Stegmutt! Mister The Fallen is ON FIRE!]]
*'''Fallen''' (6-inch Cybertron Heroes, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Display stand
: Instead of being based on his comic appearance, the Fallen toy is loosely based on [[Don Figueroa]]'s design for pre-[[Earth]] [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] as seen in ''[[Infiltration]]'' and ''[[Stormbringer (comics)|Stormbringer]]'', though obviously with The Fallen's head and deco. He transforms into a Cybertronic tank. Sadly his tank form doesn't hold together well, nor does he have actual hands, just blocks with holes in them. His side-mounted cannons can peg into his forearms in robot mode, or be held in his fists. He wears a faction symbol of his own effigy. So far, The Fallen is, by a fraction of an inch, the tallest (and the bulkiest) of the 6" Titanium Series figures.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Unicron/TheFallen/thefallen.htm More information on The Fallen at TFU.info]''

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===Revenge of the Fallen===
====Legends Class====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenLegends.jpg|right|thumb|300px|''*high-pitched helium voice*'' "I am the Faaallllleeeen!"]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Legends, 2009)
:Part of wave 3 of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends Class toys, The Fallen transforms from robot mode to a Cybertronian Destroyer.

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[[Image:ROTF_Legends_TheFallen_Lawson.jpg|thumb|300px|What, how dare they make me so small?! I was worshipped as a ''GOD!'']]
*'''Soundwave / EZ Collection The Fallen''' (2009)
:Available exclusively at the Lawson's convenience store in Japan (and the only way to obtain this figure in via TakaraTomy), this version of Legends class The Fallen has more paint applications than the Hasbro release. The Deluxe-class Preview Soundwave it comes with is unchanged from the regular release. Preorders opened on [[May 1]]st and close on [[June 30]]th, and the figure itself ships on [[October 16]]th.

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====Voyager Class====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenVoyager.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Smokin'!]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Voyager, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RD-10'''

:Part of wave two of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Voyager Class figures, The Fallen transforms from a robot into a "Cybertronian Destroyer" mode. The robot mode features several "slide-out energy absorption panels" on his head and arms which can either be deployed or hidden. In addition to that [[Mech Alive]] feature, his feet are spring-actioned so that when the toy is not standing on a surface (in other words, in jet mode), the toes ball up together. Setting the robot back down on a flat surface will splay the toes open again.

:There are rubbery connectors that attach his arms to his torso that increase accuracy to his visual portrayal in the live-action film, but this restricts his arm movement severely.

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[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenVoyagerorange.jpg|right|thumb|250px|CAUTION: HOT]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Voyager, 2009)

:A Target-[[exclusive]] redeco of The Fallen in a black and translucent orange colour scheme, both to homage the Fallen's original appearance in the Generation 1 continuity and presumably to show him being "on fire".
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====Robot Replicas====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenRobotReplica.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Yes! We come from France!]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Robot Replica, 2009)
:This nonconvertible figurine of The Fallen boasts several points of articulation, a faithful replication of the robot mode, and little else.
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==Merchandise==
===7-11 Slurpee tie-in merchandise===
[[Image:ROTFmerchandise-TheFallenstraw.jpg|right|thumb|150px|''Great'' Transformers tie-in merchandise or the ''greatest'' Transformers tie-in merchandise?]]
*'''The Fallen'''
: The Fallen will help you uncreate your Slurpee with this Slurpee straw topper figurine! Comes attached to a straw in a baggie and is available at your local 7-11 while supplies last!
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===Burger King===
[[Image:ROTFmerchandise-BurgerKingTheFallen.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Flame grilled to perfection]]
*'''The Fallen Flip-Out''' (2009)
:An embossed [[Giant Decepticon insignia|plastic Decepticon insignia]], which flips up into a flat representation of The Fallen with some shoulder articulation. The Fallen, naturally, has flames behind him.
::*''[http://www.toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=242&itemid=14653 More information on The Fallen at Toy News International]''
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===Robot Heroes===
[[Image:Robotheroesmegatronfallenprimejetfireironhide.jpg|300px|thumb|right|Whoa, who ordered the extra-large The Fallen?]]
*'''Battle for the Fallen''' (box set, 2009)
:This ''[[Robot Heroes]]'' box set of figures comes with The Fallen, Megatron (tank mode), Optimus Prime and [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] combined, and [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] (truck mode). He is twice as large as a regular ''Robot Heroes'' figure, and has simple swivel joints in his arms.

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==Notes==
[[Image:Fallenpatlee.jpg|right|thumb|150px|I'm The Fallen, and I can't get up!]]
*The Fallen design was created by [[Pat Lee]], his first (and only) original Transformers character. ([[Simon Furman]] created the concept, see next item.) The early design concept not only lacked The Fallen's characteristic mouthplate, but differed incredibly from the final product. Envisioned as a medieval, ancient-looking Transformer, he glowed like a furnace, though he was not depicted as being perpetually on fire until [[Andrew Wildman]] penciled his appearances in ''[[The Dark Ages]]'' and the colorists caught on.
*The Fallen was also used to recycle some of Simon Furman's unused [[Last Autobot]] plans.[http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~sstoneb/tf/tidbits/otfcc2004.txt]
*When questioned about him constantly being aflame, ''War Within'' writer Simon Furman stated that The Fallen is always on fire "because it looks cool".
[[Image:Thefallentank.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The Judasmobile.]]
*The Fallen's Dreamwave comics [[altmode]], a tank, though designed, was never used in-fiction. Similarly, The Fallen is said to have ''no'' alternate mode in IDW comics, and he does not actually transform in the film.
*Very little of The Fallen's backstory was given in his first fictional appearances, leaving much of ''The Dark Ages'' somewhat confusing on its own. Helpful inserts from the ''More Than Meets the Eye'' profile books and DK's ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'', published around the same time, spelled out more. Eventually, the packaging profile printed on his Titanium figure gave the rest. Oh, and then years later, he was the titular villain of a summer blockbuster film.
* The proper treatment of his name, with its capital-T "The", is established both in the comics and the ''Ultimate Guide''. The one dissenting source is his on-package [[bio]], which simply calls him "'''Fallen'''" (as in, "'''Fallen''' forgot his real name long ago"). The reason for this awkward treatment is unknown, though the usual culprits behind toy-name oddities (guess) [[trademark]] issues.
* The Fallen can speak Spanish. <ref>Fanclub-exclusive Mini Mayhem strip, March 19, 2007</ref>
*During San Diego Comic-Con 2008, in an interview on July 25th, [[Simon Furman]] claimed that ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]'' would feature a character called the Fallen, which was a character they created for Dreamwave's ''The War Within: The Dark Ages''.<ref>[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17412 Simon Furman confirms The Fallen is a character in an interview with Comic Book Resources (Fallen details removed)]</ref> Three days later, [[IDW Publishing]] writer [[Chris Mowry]] corroborated the claim in an interview with MTV Splash Page, calling "The Fallen" the main villain of the film.<ref>[http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/07/28/exclusive-transformers-2-prequel-comic-gives-inside-scoop-on-2009-movie/ MTV Splash Page interviews Chris Mowry (Fallen details removed)]</ref> Less than a week after this, however, [[Michael Bay]] reiterated that everything leaked thus far is part of their misinformation campaign and that only a handful of people involved with the production of ''Revenge'' have seen the script, contradicting IDW's interviews where their representatives confirm that they have the script.<ref>[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44729&postcount=2 A post made by Michael Bay on his forum]</ref> Curiously, on August 5th 2008, after a fan posted on Michael Bay's forum pointing out the contradiction, all references to The Fallen were removed from the aforementioned interviews, as well as any references to IDW Publishing having the script.
*In Titan ''Transformers Comic'' [[Aftermath Part 2]], the newly-ascendant [[President of the United States]] is named [[Theodore Allen|'''The'''odore '''F. Allen''']]. It remains to be seen if the wordplay has any significance beyond the fact that he is under Decepticon [[Cerebro-strip|mind-control]].
*No toy or merchandise item includes the staff that was The Fallen's primary weapon in the film.

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The Fallen

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[[Image:TheFallen_ROTF-AdaptationComic.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Not even the comic panel can contain him!]]

If the [[Thirteen original Transformers|first Transformers]] were [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s disciples, then '''The Fallen''' is its Judas. At the dawn of time, he was a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]], one of a brotherhood of vastly powerful beings dedicated to the well-being of their world. But The Fallen, whose original name has long since been forgotten, would gain his moniker by turning against his brothers and his purpose to pursue his own ends. His frightening form is a metal cage for primal, burning forces of [[Unicron|chaos]], giving him the appearance of a living furnace. These cauldron-like forces purged him of what empathy and morality remained.

The Fallen is immensely powerful. He commands mystic, entropic arts, and when at full strength he can un-make creation at his focused will. He is rarely defeated; at best he is contained, where he waits with eternal patience for the chance to unleash his dark powers once again. Though he has often been imprisoned between dimensions, this rarely lasts. The Fallen can open [[space bridge]]s and travel between dimensions, though he mostly uses this power to teleport short distances. Because of this ability, The Fallen has seen many universes. In several, he is the originator of the [[Decepticon]]s, the catalyst that prompted [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] to claim power for himself rather than the greater good.

If there is any reprieve, it is that there is only one of him. Like his brothers, The Fallen is a [[multiversal singularity]], meaning that in all of the vast [[Continuity|multiverse]], he has no alternate-universe doppelganger. But while the the exact details of his past are hard to reconcile, two things remain consistent: He is bad news, and he's on fire.

==Origins==
As explained in more detail below, The Fallen has been given different origin stories that may be at odds with each other. His ''[[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]]'' portrayal, wrapped in the [[Primus]]/[[Unicron]] mythology, presents him as having been created by Primus to oversee the orderly process of entropy throughout the universe. Fascinated by the idea of cosmic destruction, The Fallen fell under the sway of the ultimate destroyer, Unicron, and he tried to help his new master by sabotaging Primus's bodily form, Cybertron. This failed, and when Unicron lost the battle against Primus, both he and The Fallen were banished to another dimension. From then on, The Fallen craved only the release of his master and the ultimate death of the universe.

This cosmology is reinforced by The Fallen's brief [[Unicron Trilogy]] appearance, where he is seen among the other 13 original Transformers, some of whom are known to have also survived to the present day.

However, his ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' portrayal lacks the Primus/Unicron element; the only creative power is the [[All Spark]], a far more impersonal entity. The Fallen and his fellow "Primes," who were not actually "Transformers" per se, had one mission: to recharge the All Spark by siphoning solar energy. The Fallen's crimes were that he wanted all of that energy for himself, and he was willing to sacrifice an inhabited world (Earth) to do it. His brother Primes did stop him, but at the cost of their own lives. Despite (or perhaps because of) their deaths, they were able to imprison The Fallen in another dimension, from whence he plots and schemes his escape.

So, while similar in form, The Fallen's stories disagree in many details. The ''Revenge of the Fallen'' universe is still being fleshed out, so perhaps future information will clarify the questionable areas.

==Fiction==
===''Generation 1''===
====Dreamwave comics continuity====

[[Image:Thefallenseeksfour.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Hey, The Fallen, ever heard of Tums?]]
When Primus and Unicron first battled as planets, Primus created the first 13 Transformers to assist him in planet mode. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}} The Fallen's original purpose as one of the 13 was to oversee entropy, the orderly dissolution of all things in preparation for the next creation. But the concept of destruction fascinated him too much, and he lost sight of the goal of rebirth and the necessity of restraint. His investigations into the dark sciences led him to Unicron, to whom he gave himself. <ref>[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/toys/titanium/the-fallen/1126/2/9/ Fallen's ''Titanium Series'' on-package bio]</ref> Corrupted by Unicron, the Fallen then tried to sabotage his creator's body. This attempt ended in failure, and "The Fallen" fled to his master, but there was little refuge to be found: They were both sucked into a [[black hole]]. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}}

Approximately 7 million years before the 21st century, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] were lost in a [[space bridge]] accident. This accident weakened the barrier between reality and the dimension in which The Fallen was trapped, allowing The Fallen to eventually break free and return to Cybertron.

[[Image:Thefallen.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Ah, you know it's funny, these people, they go to sleep, they think everything's fine, everything's good... They wake up the next day and they're on fire.]]

The Fallen immediately set about initiating the "[[Unbinding]]", an event which required four particular Transformers, who would function as "angles in the geometry of dissolution". To help him round up the required Transformers, the Fallen recruited a [[Chaos Trinity|trio of Decepticon outcasts]], [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], [[Mindwipe]], and [[Bugly]], who hungered for a command of the occult. The Fallen promised them all manner of dark powers in exchange for serving him. Leading his three followers to a hidden room within Cybertron, he named [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] as the first of the angles to be gathered. {{storylink|Fragmentation}}

The Fallen and company proceeded to construct a strange machine within the [[Well of All Sparks]] in preparation for the Unbinding. Unfortunately, Bludgeon and friends got impatient for more than The Fallen's praise and demanded a more tangible reward: the arcane power he had promised them. The Fallen responded by grabbing Bludgeon’s head and giving him a mere glimpse of what he sought: images of a fiery vortex, demonic faces, stabbing swords and a human skull engulfed Bludgeon. The Fallen stated that this was but a peek inside a dark door he would fully open if they served him well. This left Bludgeon suitably inspired to begin hunting down their targets.

[[Image:Thefallengrimlock.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Someone should tell Grimlock this more often.]]

Bugly and Mindwipe leaked information to draw the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] out into combat with [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], while Bludgeon hatched a plot to snare both Grimlock and[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]. {{storylink|Escalation (IDW)|Escalation}} Bludgeon, Bugly, and Mindwipe ambushed Jetfire as he attempted a cross-faction meeting with [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. When Grimlock crashed the party earlier than they expected, however, The Fallen himself had to intervene and caught Grimlock’s blazing energo-sword in his bare hand. {{storylink|Revelation (The Dark Ages)|Revelation}}

Grimlock took one punch from The Fallen yet still got back up, so The Fallen grabbed him by the shoulders and unleashed a huge blast of energy that put the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] leader out cold. He dragged Grimlock and Jetfire away and commanded his followers to gather the third angle while he handled the fourth. The Fallen singlehandedly abducted [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] from his well-guarded holding cell in Autobot headquarters, shrugging off attacks by some of the Autobots' best warriors and causing their weapons to corrode away into uselessness with a mere gesture. Bludgeon's team, meanwhile, succeeded in acquiring [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]] from the Protectobots.

[[Image:Fallenmoreonfire.jpg|right|thumb|250px|The Fallen somehow sets himself ''more on fire''.]]

All four angles were strapped to the device in the Well of All Sparks. Launching into full B-movie villain mode, The Fallen theatrically monologued to the awakening Jetfire that they were casualties in the war of the Gods, and would be used to break the Seal of Primus, after which "all chaos will follow". {{storylink|Confrontation (issue)|Confrontation}}

The Fallen continued his villainous monologue, apparently directing it not at Jetfire but at Primus himself, as the four Transformers' unique sparks were drained to unlock the Seal of Primus. A combined army of forces from several factions defeated the Chaos Trinity and penetrated The Fallen's operation, while Jetfire arranged a force-field to contain the energy of Primus. The God of Light himself was subsequently roused from his slumber; with a gesture of his radiant hand, he engulfed his wayward creation in a torrent of searing energy that was then sucked back into the Seal of Primus. {{storylink|Conflagration}}
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===Unicron Trilogy===
====''Cybertron'' comic====
[[Image:Vectorprimeut.jpg|thumb|140px|Back, and to the left.]]
[[Vector Prime]]'s reminiscences of his mission and history included standing with his fellow 13 original Transformers, The Fallen's silhouette visible in their ranks. {{storylink|Vector Prime: In the Beginning}}

{{note|This story and comments by [[Hasbro]] copy-writer [[Forest Lee]] are the basis of the notion that The Fallen, Vector Prime, and the other original 13 are singular entities with no duplicates throughout the multiverse. This was reiterated at [[BotCon 2009]], even in the face of the upcoming ''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie. Brave men these Hasbro writers be!}}
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===Live-action film series===
====IDW ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics====
[[Image:Defianceissue4-creation.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Look [[Prima|familiar]]?]]

According to what The Fallen told [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] as part of the latter's recruitment, The Fallen and his brothers were the first creations of the [[All Spark]]. The planet that would become [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] was mostly barren, but as the All Spark gradually shaped Cybertron around them and gave The Fallen and his brothers power beyond measure, the All Spark became depleted. They learned that the its power could be replenished by harvesting the energy of stars, but they were unable to locate new stars to suit their purposes, despite their amazing ability to travel between dimensions using triangular "sarcophagi."

A breakthrough came when the All Spark created for them [[Transformer|workers]] that had a power of their own: They could change their forms! Some, called "[[Seeker (body-type)|seeker]]s," could even change into interstellar crafts that could locate suns for them. But as the workers built a [[Solar Harvester|solar harvester]] on [[Earth]] to gather this solar energy, The Fallen wondered evil thoughts. What if only one harvested the energy? What if the power was his alone?

The Fallen betrayed his brothers. To erase their existence, he destroyed their sarcophagi, in which their life forces were stored. But this drained him of almost all his energy, and while he was weak, the brothers he thought he had killed... acted. They sacrificed themselves to trap him in a fiery dimension within his own sarcophagus, while the harvester on Earth was covered by the [[Human|natives]] with a pyramid. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}

[[Image:Defiance4_Megatron_TheFallen.jpg|thumb|300px|All right, who changed the thermostat!?]]

Knowledge of this was lost through the ages, and eons later, a mysterious pylon was found buried on Cybertron by modern-day Transformers and delivered to Megatron's private quarters. Unbeknownst to them all, this was the sarcophagus of The Fallen, and upon activation, it healed the grievously-wounded Cybertronian military leader and established contact between him and its prisoner. Filled with a new resolve to destroy those who sought out the All Spark, Megatron's optics were tinted red by the encounter. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 2}} In the aftermath of Megatron's ruthless battle against a band of aliens seeking the All Spark, The Fallen further counseled him to seize control of Cybertron to make way for The Fallen's return. He also told him that [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] sought the All Spark for himself, and Megatron immediately decided that Optimus and his followers deserved to be killed for this transgression. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 3}}

But simply taking the planet would not be enough. The Fallen also ordered Megatron to build a [[Nemesis (Movie)|space cruiser]] to seek out the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]], which he said was a prerequisite to his return. As the ship's construction came to an end, The Fallen told Megatron the story of his origin (recounted above) and his plans regarding the harvester on Earth. The Fallen ordered Megatron to put his sarcophagus on the ship and then stay behind to fight Optimus's forces and safeguard the All Spark. [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] and a majority of the Decepticon soldiers crewed the ship, which ended up crashing on some barren world under unknown circumstances.

Meanwhile on Cybertron, civil war raged between Optimus's Autobots and Megatron's Decepticons, a war which eventually led to the All Spark being launched into space. As Megatron alone pursued the hurtling cube, he picked up a distress signal from the ''Nemesis.'' He found the crashed ship and within it the still-intact sarcophagus. He once again spoke with The Fallen, who was furious that Megatron had taken this detour from his pursuit of the All Spark. He ordered him to resume the chase immediately, confident that it would guide itself to the harvester. Megatron obeyed, leaving the sarcophagus in the barren wreckage. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}
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====''I Can Read'' storybook continuity====
[[Image:TheFallen-RiseoftheDecepticons.jpg|left|thumb|200px|I can has face?]]
[[Image:TheFallen-thrownintospace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Maybe Prime doesn't want your stupid face!]]
The Fallen is the most powerful and evil of Decepticons, but he has been asleep for ages. But now he's woken up, and he has designs on Earth! Will he and Megatron be too powerful to defeat? {{storylink|Rise of the Decepticons}}

The Fallen flies towards Earth. Since he feeds on energy, he is more powerful than even Megatron! He plans to absorb the energy of Earth's Sun.

Thankfully, Optimus Prime and his Autobots are here to stop him. Ultimately, The Fallen is thrown through a portal leading into outer space. {{storylink|I Am Optimus Prime (ROTF)|I Am Optimus Prime}}
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====DK ''Transformers: The Movie Universe'' book====
The original Transformers, all of them Primes, were united by a directive that safeguarded all life, and as such they refused to utilize the harvester on the inhabited Earth. One of their number, however, decided "I want Energon!" and slaughtered his brothers so he could harvest the Sun. He threw away his original name became the Fallen. In the end, he slaughtered all of his brethren, but they were still able to imprison him in a pocket dimension and save the Earth. In the process, his appearance had changed to a terrifying, cage-like exostructure burning with chaotic energies from the universe's creation, forces that had purged him of all morality. Since his body was never meant to contain the unholy power flowing through it, he had to steadily vent that energy to ensure his own continued existence. This created the visual effect of a constant fiery nimbus.

While effectively harmless to the universe outside his prison, his powers remained vast: He could generate space bridges spontaneously, as well as focus his energies into discrete blasts that could unmake creation itself. Were he ever able to escape, he would be a supremely powerful danger. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe|The Movie Universe}}

====Titan Magazines ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics====

[[Image:Titan1_FallenStarscream.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Behold my <strike>resting</strike> mighty hand!]]

The sinister figure of the Fallen made contact with [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] soon after Megatron's death, using him to organise the Decepticon army and lay the groundwork for his return, his... revenge! He ordered Starscream and his forces to go to Cybertron and await further instruction, and promised that once the Matrix was found, [[Earth]] would ''burn''! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.1|Training Day}}

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====''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Tony Todd]] (English), [[Banjō Ginga]] (Japanese)
{{spoiler|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|July 24, 2009}}

Nineteen thousand years ago, The Fallen went against the wishes of [[Seven Primes|his brother Primes]] and tried to harvest the sun of an inhabited planet, [[Earth]]. However, The Fallen was defeated and the remaining Primes hid themselves and the [[Matrix of Leadership]], and The Fallen's [[solar harvester]] was concealed within a pyramid in [[Egypt]]. The Fallen became known as the first [[Decepticon]], and he became the master of [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], leader of the faction. He employed Megatron in the pursuit of the [[All Spark]], but after Megatron's defeat at [[Mission City]], the All Spark was reduced to a mere fragment.

[[Image:ROTFteaser2_firerobot.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Not shown: all the Autobots yet to be composited into this shot.]]

Upon Megatron's revival he traveled to the ''[[Nemesis (ROTF)|Nemesis]]'', currently lying wrecked on one of [[Saturn]]'s moons, and prostrated himself before the Fallen. His master revealed the true nature of the All Spark and its continued survival within the human, [[Sam Witwicky]]. The Fallen also explained that the only threat to him was the last surviving [[Prime (ROTF)|Prime]], [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]]. He ordered Megatron to use the boy to draw Prime out.

{{note|The [[Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|novel adaptation]] identifies the location of the Nemesis as a planet orbiting a cooling star no longer able to give light or life.}}

With the death of the last remaining Prime, The Fallen made his move. He and several other Decepticons traveled to the Earth's surface in [[transition form|re-entry mode]]s, destroying an [[United States Navy#U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71)|aircraft carrier]] as well as attacking several cities. The Fallen tapped into Earth's communication network, and announced the presence of the Transformers on Earth on worldwide television, demanding the "human hive" hand over Sam.

Unfortunately, Sam was in Egypt hunting for the [[Matrix of Leadership]] after being told it might be able to revive Optimus. He succeeded, but moments after Prime's resurrection, The Fallen appeared amongst the assorted NEST troops, pinning Optimus and stealing the Matrix. He then teleported to the now uncovered harvester and used the Matrix to power it. While it charged, he demonstrated his considerable power by destroying the attacking military forces with telekinesis, but a super-powered Optimus Prime, now fused with [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]], destroyed the harvester. After a short but intense battle, Optimus ripped off The Fallen's face and killed him by punching through his abdomen, as a wounded Megatron watched in horror.{{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

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==Games==
===''Revenge of the Fallen: The Game''===
:''Voice actor:'' [[James Arnold Taylor]]

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==Toys==
===Titanium Series===
[[Image:Thefallentitanium.JPG|right|thumb|300px|Hey, Stegmutt! Mister The Fallen is ON FIRE!]]
*'''Fallen''' (6-inch Cybertron Heroes, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Display stand
: Instead of being based on his comic appearance, the Fallen toy is loosely based on [[Don Figueroa]]'s design for pre-[[Earth]] [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] as seen in ''[[Infiltration]]'' and ''[[Stormbringer (comics)|Stormbringer]]'', though obviously with The Fallen's head and deco. He transforms into a Cybertronic tank. Sadly his tank form doesn't hold together well, nor does he have actual hands, just blocks with holes in them. His side-mounted cannons can peg into his forearms in robot mode, or be held in his fists. He wears a faction symbol of his own effigy. So far, The Fallen is, by a fraction of an inch, the tallest (and the bulkiest) of the 6" Titanium Series figures.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Unicron/TheFallen/thefallen.htm More information on The Fallen at TFU.info]''

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===Revenge of the Fallen===
====Legends Class====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenLegends.jpg|right|thumb|300px|''*high-pitched helium voice*'' "I am the Faaallllleeeen!"]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Legends, 2009)
:Part of wave 3 of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends Class toys, The Fallen transforms from robot mode to a Cybertronian Destroyer.

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[[Image:ROTF_Legends_TheFallen_Lawson.jpg|thumb|300px|What, how dare they make me so small?! I was worshipped as a ''GOD!'']]
*'''Soundwave / EZ Collection The Fallen''' (2009)
:Available exclusively at the Lawson's convenience store in Japan (and the only way to obtain this figure in via TakaraTomy), this version of Legends class The Fallen has more paint applications than the Hasbro release. The Deluxe-class Preview Soundwave it comes with is unchanged from the regular release. Preorders opened on [[May 1]]st and close on [[June 30]]th, and the figure itself ships on [[October 16]]th.

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====Voyager Class====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenVoyager.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Smokin'!]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Voyager, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RD-10'''

:Part of wave two of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Voyager Class figures, The Fallen transforms from a robot into a "Cybertronian Destroyer" mode. The robot mode features several "slide-out energy absorption panels" on his head and arms which can either be deployed or hidden. In addition to that [[Mech Alive]] feature, his feet are spring-actioned so that when the toy is not standing on a surface (in other words, in jet mode), the toes ball up together. Setting the robot back down on a flat surface will splay the toes open again.

:There are rubbery connectors that attach his arms to his torso that increase accuracy to his visual portrayal in the live-action film, but this restricts his arm movement severely.

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[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenVoyagerorange.jpg|right|thumb|250px|CAUTION: HOT]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Voyager, 2009)

:A Target-[[exclusive]] redeco of The Fallen in a black and translucent orange colour scheme, both to homage the Fallen's original appearance in the Generation 1 continuity and presumably to show him being "on fire".
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====Robot Replicas====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenRobotReplica.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Yes! We come from France!]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Robot Replica, 2009)
:This nonconvertible figurine of The Fallen boasts several points of articulation, a faithful replication of the robot mode, and little else.
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==Merchandise==
===7-11 Slurpee tie-in merchandise===
[[Image:ROTFmerchandise-TheFallenstraw.jpg|right|thumb|150px|''Great'' Transformers tie-in merchandise or the ''greatest'' Transformers tie-in merchandise?]]
*'''The Fallen'''
: The Fallen will help you uncreate your Slurpee with this Slurpee straw topper figurine! Comes attached to a straw in a baggie and is available at your local 7-11 while supplies last!
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===Burger King===
[[Image:ROTFmerchandise-BurgerKingTheFallen.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Flame grilled to perfection]]
*'''The Fallen Flip-Out''' (2009)
:An embossed [[Giant Decepticon insignia|plastic Decepticon insignia]], which flips up into a flat representation of The Fallen with some shoulder articulation. The Fallen, naturally, has flames behind him.
::*''[http://www.toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=242&itemid=14653 More information on The Fallen at Toy News International]''
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===Robot Heroes===
[[Image:Robotheroesmegatronfallenprimejetfireironhide.jpg|300px|thumb|right|Whoa, who ordered the extra-large The Fallen?]]
*'''Battle for the Fallen''' (box set, 2009)
:This ''[[Robot Heroes]]'' box set of figures comes with The Fallen, Megatron (tank mode), Optimus Prime and [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] combined, and [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] (truck mode). He is twice as large as a regular ''Robot Heroes'' figure, and has simple swivel joints in his arms.

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==Notes==
[[Image:Fallenpatlee.jpg|right|thumb|150px|I'm The Fallen, and I can't get up!]]
*The Fallen design was created by [[Pat Lee]], his first (and only) original Transformers character. ([[Simon Furman]] created the concept, see next item.) The early design concept not only lacked The Fallen's characteristic mouthplate, but differed incredibly from the final product. Envisioned as a medieval, ancient-looking Transformer, he glowed like a furnace, though he was not depicted as being perpetually on fire until [[Andrew Wildman]] penciled his appearances in ''[[The Dark Ages]]'' and the colorists caught on.
*The Fallen was also used to recycle some of Simon Furman's unused [[Last Autobot]] plans.[http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~sstoneb/tf/tidbits/otfcc2004.txt]
*When questioned about him constantly being aflame, ''War Within'' writer Simon Furman stated that The Fallen is always on fire "because it looks cool".
[[Image:Thefallentank.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The Judasmobile.]]
*The Fallen's Dreamwave comics [[altmode]], a tank, though designed, was never used in-fiction. Similarly, the Fallen is said to have ''no'' alternate mode in IDW comics, and he does not actually transform in the film.
*Very little of The Fallen's backstory was given in his first fictional appearances, leaving much of ''The Dark Ages'' somewhat confusing on its own. Helpful inserts from the ''More Than Meets the Eye'' profile books and DK's ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'', published around the same time, spelled out more. Eventually, the packaging profile printed on his Titanium figure gave the rest. Oh, and then years later, he was the titular villain of a summer blockbuster film.
* The proper treatment of his name, with its capital-T "The", is established both in the comics and the ''Ultimate Guide''. The one dissenting source is his on-package [[bio]], which simply calls him "'''Fallen'''" (as in, "'''Fallen''' forgot his real name long ago"). The reason for this awkward treatment is unknown, though the usual culprits behind toy-name oddities (guess) [[trademark]] issues.
* The Fallen can speak Spanish. <ref>Fanclub-exclusive Mini Mayhem strip, March 19, 2007</ref>
*During San Diego Comic-Con 2008, in an interview on July 25th, [[Simon Furman]] claimed that ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]'' would feature a character called the Fallen, which was a character they created for Dreamwave's ''The War Within: The Dark Ages''.<ref>[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17412 Simon Furman confirms The Fallen is a character in an interview with Comic Book Resources (Fallen details removed)]</ref> Three days later, [[IDW Publishing]] writer [[Chris Mowry]] corroborated the claim in an interview with MTV Splash Page, calling "The Fallen" the main villain of the film.<ref>[http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/07/28/exclusive-transformers-2-prequel-comic-gives-inside-scoop-on-2009-movie/ MTV Splash Page interviews Chris Mowry (Fallen details removed)]</ref> Less than a week after this, however, [[Michael Bay]] reiterated that everything leaked thus far is part of their misinformation campaign and that only a handful of people involved with the production of ''Revenge'' have seen the script, contradicting IDW's interviews where their representatives confirm that they have the script.<ref>[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44729&postcount=2 A post made by Michael Bay on his forum]</ref> Curiously, on August 5th 2008, after a fan posted on Michael Bay's forum pointing out the contradiction, all references to The Fallen were removed from the aforementioned interviews, as well as any references to IDW Publishing having the script.
*In Titan ''Transformers Comic'' [[Aftermath Part 2]], the newly-ascendant [[President of the United States]] is named [[Theodore Allen|'''The'''odore '''F. Allen''']]. It remains to be seen if the wordplay has any significance beyond the fact that he is under Decepticon [[Cerebro-strip|mind-control]].
*No toy or merchandise item includes the staff that was The Fallen's primary weapon in the film.

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[[Image:TheFallen_ROTF-AdaptationComic.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Not even the comic panel can contain him!]]

If the [[Thirteen original Transformers|first Transformers]] were [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s disciples, then '''The Fallen''' is its Judas. At the dawn of time, he was a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]], one of a brotherhood of vastly powerful beings dedicated to the well-being of their world. But The Fallen, whose original name has long since been forgotten, would gain his moniker by turning against his brothers and his purpose to pursue his own ends. His frightening form is a metal cage for primal, burning forces of [[Unicron|chaos]], giving him the appearance of a living furnace. These cauldron-like forces purged him of what empathy and morality remained.

The Fallen is immensely powerful. He commands mystic, entropic arts, and when at full strength he can un-make creation at his focused will. He is rarely defeated; at best he is contained, where he waits with eternal patience for the chance to unleash his dark powers once again. Though he has often been imprisoned between dimensions, this rarely lasts. The Fallen can open [[space bridge]]s and travel between dimensions, though he mostly uses this power to teleport short distances. Because of this ability, The Fallen has seen many universes. In several, he is the originator of the [[Decepticon]]s, the catalyst that prompted [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] to claim power for himself rather than the greater good.

If there is any reprieve, it is that there is only one of him. Like his brothers, The Fallen is a [[multiversal singularity]], meaning that in all of the vast [[Continuity|multiverse]], he has no alternate-universe doppelganger. But while the the exact details of his past are hard to reconcile, two things remain consistent: He is bad news, and he's on fire.

==Origins==
As explained in more detail below, The Fallen has been given different origin stories that may be at odds with each other. His ''[[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]]'' portrayal, wrapped in the [[Primus]]/[[Unicron]] mythology, presents him as having been created by Primus to oversee the orderly process of entropy throughout the universe. Fascinated by the idea of cosmic destruction, The Fallen fell under the sway of the ultimate destroyer, Unicron, and he tried to help his new master by sabotaging Primus's bodily form, Cybertron. This failed, and when Unicron lost the battle against Primus, both he and The Fallen were banished to another dimension. From then on, The Fallen craved only the release of his master and the ultimate death of the universe.

This cosmology is reinforced by The Fallen's brief [[Unicron Trilogy]] appearance, where he is seen among the other 13 original Transformers, some of whom are known to have also survived to the present day.

However, his ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' portrayal lacks the Primus/Unicron element; the only creative power is the [[All Spark]], a far more impersonal entity. The Fallen and his fellow "Primes," who were not actually "Transformers" per se, had one mission: to recharge the All Spark by siphoning solar energy. The Fallen's crimes were that he wanted all of that energy for himself, and he was willing to sacrifice an inhabited world (Earth) to do it. His brother Primes did stop him, but at the cost of their own lives. Despite (or perhaps because of) their deaths, they were able to imprison The Fallen in another dimension, from whence he plots and schemes his escape.

So, while similar in form, The Fallen's stories disagree in many details. The ''Revenge of the Fallen'' universe is still being fleshed out, so perhaps future information will clarify the questionable areas.

==Fiction==
===''Generation 1''===
====Dreamwave comics continuity====

[[Image:Thefallenseeksfour.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Hey, The Fallen, ever heard of Tums?]]
When Primus and Unicron first battled as planets, Primus created the first 13 Transformers to assist him in planet mode. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}} The Fallen's original purpose as one of the 13 was to oversee entropy, the orderly dissolution of all things in preparation for the next creation. But the concept of destruction fascinated him too much, and he lost sight of the goal of rebirth and the necessity of restraint. His investigations into the dark sciences led him to Unicron, to whom he gave himself. <ref>[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/toys/titanium/the-fallen/1126/2/9/ Fallen's ''Titanium Series'' on-package bio]</ref> Corrupted by Unicron, the Fallen then tried to sabotage his creator's body. This attempt ended in failure, and "The Fallen" fled to his master, but there was little refuge to be found: They were both sucked into a [[black hole]]. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}}

Approximately 7 million years before the 21st century, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] were lost in a [[space bridge]] accident. This accident weakened the barrier between reality and the dimension in which The Fallen was trapped, allowing The Fallen to eventually break free and return to Cybertron.

[[Image:Thefallen.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Ah, you know it's funny, these people, they go to sleep, they think everything's fine, everything's good... They wake up the next day and they're on fire.]]

The Fallen immediately set about initiating the "[[Unbinding]]", an event which required four particular Transformers, who would function as "angles in the geometry of dissolution". To help him round up the required Transformers, the Fallen recruited a [[Chaos Trinity|trio of Decepticon outcasts]], [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], [[Mindwipe]], and [[Bugly]], who hungered for a command of the occult. The Fallen promised them all manner of dark powers in exchange for serving him. Leading his three followers to a hidden room within Cybertron, he named [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] as the first of the angles to be gathered. {{storylink|Fragmentation}}

The Fallen and company proceeded to construct a strange machine within the [[Well of All Sparks]] in preparation for the Unbinding. Unfortunately, Bludgeon and friends got impatient for more than The Fallen's praise and demanded a more tangible reward: the arcane power he had promised them. The Fallen responded by grabbing Bludgeon’s head and giving him a mere glimpse of what he sought: images of a fiery vortex, demonic faces, stabbing swords and a human skull engulfed Bludgeon. The Fallen stated that this was but a peek inside a dark door he would fully open if they served him well. This left Bludgeon suitably inspired to begin hunting down their targets.

[[Image:Thefallengrimlock.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Someone should tell Grimlock this more often.]]

Bugly and Mindwipe leaked information to draw the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] out into combat with [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], while Bludgeon hatched a plot to snare both Grimlock and[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]. {{storylink|Escalation (IDW)|Escalation}} Bludgeon, Bugly, and Mindwipe ambushed Jetfire as he attempted a cross-faction meeting with [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. When Grimlock crashed the party earlier than they expected, however, The Fallen himself had to intervene and caught Grimlock’s blazing energo-sword in his bare hand. {{storylink|Revelation (The Dark Ages)|Revelation}}

Grimlock took one punch from The Fallen yet still got back up, so The Fallen grabbed him by the shoulders and unleashed a huge blast of energy that put the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] leader out cold. He dragged Grimlock and Jetfire away and commanded his followers to gather the third angle while he handled the fourth. The Fallen singlehandedly abducted [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] from his well-guarded holding cell in Autobot headquarters, shrugging off attacks by some of the Autobots' best warriors and causing their weapons to corrode away into uselessness with a mere gesture. Bludgeon's team, meanwhile, succeeded in acquiring [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]] from the Protectobots.

[[Image:Fallenmoreonfire.jpg|right|thumb|250px|The Fallen somehow sets himself ''more on fire''.]]

All four angles were strapped to the device in the Well of All Sparks. Launching into full B-movie villain mode, The Fallen theatrically monologued to the awakening Jetfire that they were casualties in the war of the Gods, and would be used to break the Seal of Primus, after which "all chaos will follow". {{storylink|Confrontation (issue)|Confrontation}}

The Fallen continued his villainous monologue, apparently directing it not at Jetfire but at Primus himself, as the four Transformers' unique sparks were drained to unlock the Seal of Primus. A combined army of forces from several factions defeated the Chaos Trinity and penetrated The Fallen's operation, while Jetfire arranged a force-field to contain the energy of Primus. The God of Light himself was subsequently roused from his slumber; with a gesture of his radiant hand, he engulfed his wayward creation in a torrent of searing energy that was then sucked back into the Seal of Primus. {{storylink|Conflagration}}
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===Unicron Trilogy===
====''Cybertron'' comic====
[[Image:Vectorprimeut.jpg|thumb|140px|Back, and to the left.]]
[[Vector Prime]]'s reminiscences of his mission and history included standing with his fellow 13 original Transformers, The Fallen's silhouette visible in their ranks. {{storylink|Vector Prime: In the Beginning}}

{{note|This story and comments by [[Hasbro]] copy-writer [[Forest Lee]] are the basis of the notion that The Fallen, Vector Prime, and the other original 13 are singular entities with no duplicates throughout the multiverse. This was reiterated at [[BotCon 2009]], even in the face of the upcoming ''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie. Brave men these Hasbro writers be!}}
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===Live-action film series===
====IDW ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics====
[[Image:Defianceissue4-creation.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Look [[Prima|familiar]]?]]

According to what The Fallen told [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] as part of the latter's recruitment, The Fallen and his brothers were the first creations of the [[All Spark]]. The planet that would become [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] was mostly barren, but as the All Spark gradually shaped Cybertron around them and gave The Fallen and his brothers power beyond measure, the All Spark became depleted. They learned that the its power could be replenished by harvesting the energy of stars, but they were unable to locate new stars to suit their purposes, despite their amazing ability to travel between dimensions using triangular "sarcophagi."

A breakthrough came when the All Spark created for them [[Transformer|workers]] that had a power of their own: They could change their forms! Some, called "[[Seeker (body-type)|seeker]]s," could even change into interstellar crafts that could locate suns for them. But as the workers built a [[Solar Harvester|solar harvester]] on [[Earth]] to gather this solar energy, The Fallen wondered evil thoughts. What if only one harvested the energy? What if the power was his alone?

The Fallen betrayed his brothers. To erase their existence, he destroyed their sarcophagi, in which their life forces were stored. But this drained him of almost all his energy, and while he was weak, the brothers he thought he had killed... acted. They sacrificed themselves to trap him in a fiery dimension within his own sarcophagus, while the harvester on Earth was covered by the [[Human|natives]] with a pyramid. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}

[[Image:Defiance4_Megatron_TheFallen.jpg|thumb|300px|All right, who changed the thermostat!?]]

Knowledge of this was lost through the ages, and eons later, a mysterious pylon was found buried on Cybertron by modern-day Transformers and delivered to Megatron's private quarters. Unbeknownst to them all, this was the sarcophagus of The Fallen, and upon activation, it healed the grievously-wounded Cybertronian military leader and established contact between him and its prisoner. Filled with a new resolve to destroy those who sought out the All Spark, Megatron's optics were tinted red by the encounter. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 2}} In the aftermath of Megatron's ruthless battle against a band of aliens seeking the All Spark, The Fallen further counseled him to seize control of Cybertron to make way for The Fallen's return. He also told him that [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] sought the All Spark for himself, and Megatron immediately decided that Optimus and his followers deserved to be killed for this transgression. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 3}}

But simply taking the planet would not be enough. The Fallen also ordered Megatron to build a [[Nemesis (Movie)|space cruiser]] to seek out the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]], which he said was a prerequisite to his return. As the ship's construction came to an end, The Fallen told Megatron the story of his origin (recounted above) and his plans regarding the harvester on Earth. The Fallen ordered Megatron to put his sarcophagus on the ship and then stay behind to fight Optimus's forces and safeguard the All Spark. [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] and a majority of the Decepticon soldiers crewed the ship, which ended up crashing on some barren world under unknown circumstances.

Meanwhile on Cybertron, civil war raged between Optimus's Autobots and Megatron's Decepticons, a war which eventually led to the All Spark being launched into space. As Megatron alone pursued the hurtling cube, he picked up a distress signal from the ''Nemesis.'' He found the crashed ship and within it the still-intact sarcophagus. He once again spoke with The Fallen, who was furious that Megatron had taken this detour from his pursuit of the All Spark. He ordered him to resume the chase immediately, confident that it would guide itself to the harvester. Megatron obeyed, leaving the sarcophagus in the barren wreckage. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}
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====''I Can Read'' storybook continuity====
[[Image:TheFallen-RiseoftheDecepticons.jpg|left|thumb|200px|I can has face?]]
[[Image:TheFallen-thrownintospace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Maybe Prime doesn't want your stupid face!]]
The Fallen is the most powerful and evil of Decepticons, but he has been asleep for ages. But now he's woken up, and he has designs on Earth! Will he and Megatron be too powerful to defeat? {{storylink|Rise of the Decepticons}}

The Fallen flies towards Earth. Since he feeds on energy, he is more powerful than even Megatron! He plans to absorb the energy of Earth's Sun.

Thankfully, Optimus Prime and his Autobots are here to stop him. Ultimately, The Fallen is thrown through a portal leading into outer space. {{storylink|I Am Optimus Prime (ROTF)|I Am Optimus Prime}}
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====DK ''Transformers: The Movie Universe'' book====
The original Transformers, all of them Primes, were united by a directive that safeguarded all life, and as such they refused to utilize the harvester on the inhabited Earth. One of their number, however, decided "I want Energon!" and slaughtered his brothers so he could harvest the Sun. He threw away his original name became the Fallen. In the end, he slaughtered all of his brethren, but they were still able to imprison him in a pocket dimension and save the Earth. In the process, his appearance had changed to a terrifying, cage-like exostructure burning with chaotic energies from the universe's creation, forces that had purged him of all morality. Since his body was never meant to contain the unholy power flowing through it, he had to steadily vent that energy to ensure his own continued existence. This created the visual effect of a constant fiery nimbus.

While effectively harmless to the universe outside his prison, his powers remained vast: He could generate space bridges spontaneously, as well as focus his energies into discrete blasts that could unmake creation itself. Were he ever able to escape, he would be a supremely powerful danger. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe|The Movie Universe}}

====Titan Magazines ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics====

[[Image:Titan1_FallenStarscream.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Behold my <strike>resting</strike> mighty hand!]]

The sinister figure of the Fallen made contact with [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] soon after Megatron's death, using him to organise the Decepticon army and lay the groundwork for his return, his... revenge! He ordered Starscream and his forces to go to Cybertron and await further instruction, and promised that once the Matrix was found, [[Earth]] would ''burn''! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.1|Training Day}}

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====''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Tony Todd]] (English), [[Banjō Ginga]] (Japanese)
{{spoiler|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|July 24, 2009}}

Nineteen thousand years ago, The Fallen went against the wishes of [[Seven Primes|his brother Primes]] and tried to harvest the sun of an inhabited planet, [[Earth]]. However, The Fallen was defeated and the remaining Primes hid themselves and the [[Matrix of Leadership]], and The Fallen's [[solar harvester]] was concealed within a pyramid in [[Egypt]]. The Fallen became known as the first [[Decepticon]], and he became the master of [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], leader of the faction. He employed Megatron in the pursuit of the [[All Spark]], but after Megatron's defeat at [[Mission City]], the All Spark was reduced to a mere fragment.

[[Image:ROTFteaser2_firerobot.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Not shown: all the Autobots yet to be composited into this shot.]]

Upon Megatron's revival he traveled to the ''[[Nemesis (ROTF)|Nemesis]]'', currently lying wrecked on one of [[Saturn]]'s moons, and prostrated himself before the Fallen. His master revealed the true nature of the All Spark and its continued survival within the human, [[Sam Witwicky]]. The Fallen also explained that the only threat to him was the last surviving [[Prime (ROTF)|Prime]], [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]]. He ordered Megatron to use the boy to draw Prime out.

{{note|The [[Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|novel adaptation]] identifies the location of the Nemesis as a planet orbiting a cooling star no longer able to give light or life.}}

With the death of the last remaining Prime, The Fallen made his move. He and several other Decepticons traveled to the Earth's surface in [[transition form|re-entry mode]]s, destroying an [[United States Navy#U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71)|aircraft carrier]] as well as attacking several cities. The Fallen tapped into Earth's communication network, and announced the presence of the Transformers on Earth on worldwide television, demanding the "human hive" hand over Sam.

Unfortunately, Sam was in Egypt hunting for the [[Matrix of Leadership]] after being told it might be able to revive Optimus. He succeeded, but moments after Prime's resurrection, The Fallen appeared amongst the assorted NEST troops, pinning Optimus and stealing the Matrix. He then teleported to the now uncovered harvester and used the Matrix to power it. While it charged, he demonstrated his considerable power by destroying the attacking military forces with telekinesis, but a super-powered Optimus Prime, now fused with [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]], destroyed the harvester. After a short but intense battle, Optimus ripped off The Fallen's face and killed him by punching through his abdomen, as a wounded Megatron watched in horror.{{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

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==Games==
===''Revenge of the Fallen: The Game''===
:''Voice actor:'' [[James Arnold Taylor]]

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==Toys==
===Titanium Series===
[[Image:Thefallentitanium.JPG|right|thumb|300px|Hey, Stegmutt! Mister The Fallen is ON FIRE!]]
*'''Fallen''' (6-inch Cybertron Heroes, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Display stand
: Instead of being based on his comic appearance, the Fallen toy is loosely based on [[Don Figueroa]]'s design for pre-[[Earth]] [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] as seen in ''[[Infiltration]]'' and ''[[Stormbringer (comics)|Stormbringer]]'', though obviously with The Fallen's head and deco. He transforms into a Cybertronic tank. Sadly his tank form doesn't hold together well, nor does he have actual hands, just blocks with holes in them. His side-mounted cannons can peg into his forearms in robot mode, or be held in his fists. He wears a faction symbol of his own effigy. So far, The Fallen is, by a fraction of an inch, the tallest (and the bulkiest) of the 6" Titanium Series figures.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Unicron/TheFallen/thefallen.htm More information on The Fallen at TFU.info]''

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===Revenge of the Fallen===
====Legends Class====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenLegends.jpg|right|thumb|300px|''*high-pitched helium voice*'' "I am the Faaallllleeeen!"]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Legends, 2009)
:Part of wave 3 of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends Class toys, The Fallen transforms from robot mode to a Cybertronian Destroyer.

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[[Image:ROTF_Legends_TheFallen_Lawson.jpg|thumb|300px|What, how dare they make me so small?! I was worshipped as a ''GOD!'']]
*'''Soundwave / EZ Collection The Fallen''' (2009)
:Available exclusively at the Lawson's convenience store in Japan (and the only way to obtain this figure in via TakaraTomy), this version of Legends class The Fallen has more paint applications than the Hasbro release. The Deluxe-class Preview Soundwave it comes with is unchanged from the regular release. Preorders opened on [[May 1]]st and close on [[June 30]]th, and the figure itself ships on [[October 16]]th.

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====Voyager Class====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenVoyager.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Smokin'!]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Voyager, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RD-10'''

:Part of wave two of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Voyager Class figures, The Fallen transforms from a robot into a "Cybertronian Destroyer" mode. The robot mode features several "slide-out energy absorption panels" on his head and arms which can either be deployed or hidden. In addition to that [[Mech Alive]] feature, his feet are spring-actioned so that when the toy is not standing on a surface (in other words, in jet mode), the toes ball up together. Setting the robot back down on a flat surface will splay the toes open again.

:There are rubbery connectors that attach his arms to his torso that increase accuracy to his visual portrayal in the live-action film, but this restricts his arm movement severely.

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[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenVoyagerorange.jpg|right|thumb|250px|CAUTION: HOT]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Voyager, 2009)

:A Target-[[exclusive]] redeco of The Fallen in a black and translucent orange colour scheme, both to homage the Fallen's original appearance in the Generation 1 continuity and presumably to show him being "on fire".
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====Robot Replicas====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenRobotReplica.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Yes! We come from France!]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Robot Replica, 2009)
:This nonconvertible figurine of The Fallen boasts several points of articulation, a faithful replication of the robot mode, and little else.
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==Merchandise==
===7-11 Slurpee tie-in merchandise===
[[Image:ROTFmerchandise-TheFallenstraw.jpg|right|thumb|150px|''Great'' Transformers tie-in merchandise or the ''greatest'' Transformers tie-in merchandise?]]
*'''The Fallen'''
: The Fallen will help you uncreate your Slurpee with this Slurpee straw topper figurine! Comes attached to a straw in a baggie and is available at your local 7-11 while supplies last!
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===Burger King===
[[Image:ROTFmerchandise-BurgerKingTheFallen.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Flame grilled to perfection]]
*'''The Fallen Flip-Out''' (2009)
:An embossed [[Giant Decepticon insignia|plastic Decepticon insignia]], which flips up into a flat representation of The Fallen with some shoulder articulation. The Fallen, naturally, has flames behind him.
::*''[http://www.toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=242&itemid=14653 More information on The Fallen at Toy News International]''
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===Robot Heroes===
[[Image:Robotheroesmegatronfallenprimejetfireironhide.jpg|300px|thumb|right|Whoa, who ordered the extra-large The Fallen?]]
*'''Battle for the Fallen''' (box set, 2009)
:This ''[[Robot Heroes]]'' box set of figures comes with The Fallen, Megatron (tank mode), Optimus Prime and [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] combined, and [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] (truck mode). He is twice as large as a regular ''Robot Heroes'' figure, and has simple swivel joints in his arms.

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==Notes==
[[Image:Fallenpatlee.jpg|right|thumb|150px|I'm The Fallen, and I can't get up!]]

* The Fallen design was created by [[Pat Lee]], his first (and only) original Transformers character. ([[Simon Furman]] created the concept, see next item.) The early design concept not only lacked The Fallen's characteristic mouthplate, but differed incredibly from the final product. Envisioned as a medieval, ancient-looking Transformer, he glowed like a furnace, though he was not depicted as being perpetually on fire until [[Andrew Wildman]] penciled his appearances in ''[[The Dark Ages]]'' and the colorists caught on.

* The Fallen was also used to recycle some of Simon Furman's unused [[Last Autobot]] plans.[http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~sstoneb/tf/tidbits/otfcc2004.txt]

*When questioned about him constantly being aflame, ''War Within'' writer Simon Furman stated that The Fallen is always on fire "because it looks cool".

[[Image:Thefallentank.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The Judasmobile.]]
*The Fallen's Dreamwave comics [[altmode]], a tank, though designed, was never used in-fiction. Similarly, the Fallen is said to have ''no'' alternate mode in IDW comics, while in the film it is only glimpsed whenever he teleports.

*Very little of The Fallen's backstory was given in his first fictional appearances, leaving much of ''The Dark Ages'' somewhat confusing on its own. Helpful inserts from the ''More Than Meets the Eye'' profile books and DK's ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'', published around the same time, spelled out more. Eventually, the packaging profile printed on his Titanium figure gave the rest. Oh, and then years later, he was the titular villain of a summer blockbuster film.

* The proper treatment of his name, with its capital-T "The", is established both in the comics and the ''Ultimate Guide''. The one dissenting source is his on-package [[bio]], which simply calls him "'''Fallen'''" (as in, "'''Fallen''' forgot his real name long ago"). The reason for this awkward treatment is unknown, though the usual culprits behind toy-name oddities ar [[ mark]] issues.

* The Fallen can speak Spanish. ''"Estoy en fuego!"''<ref>Fanclub-exclusive Mini Mayhem strip, March 19, 2007</ref>

* During San Diego Comic-Con 2008, in an interview on July 25th, [[Simon Furman]] claimed that ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]'' would feature a character called the Fallen, which was a character they created for Dreamwave's ''The War Within: The Dark Ages''.<ref>[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17412 Simon Furman confirms The Fallen is a character in an interview with Comic Book Resources (Fallen details removed)]</ref> Three days later, [[IDW Publishing]] writer [[Chris Mowry]] corroborated the claim in an interview with MTV Splash Page, calling "The Fallen" the main villain of the film.<ref>[http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/07/28/exclusive-transformers-2-prequel-comic-gives-inside-scoop-on-2009-movie/ MTV Splash Page interviews Chris Mowry (Fallen details removed)]</ref> Less than a week after this, however, [[Michael Bay]] reiterated that everything leaked thus far is part of their misinformation campaign and that only a handful of people involved with the production of ''Revenge'' have seen the script, contradicting IDW's interviews where their representatives confirm that they have the script.<ref>[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44729&postcount=2 A post made by Michael Bay on his forum]</ref> Curiously, on August 5th 2008, after a fan posted on Michael Bay's forum pointing out the contradiction, all references to The Fallen were removed from the aforementioned interviews, as well as any references to IDW Publishing having the script.

* In Titan ''Transformers Comic'' [[Aftermath Part 2]], the newly-ascendant [[President of the United States]] is named [[Theodore Allen|'''The'''odore '''F. Allen''']]. It remains to be seen if the wordplay has any significance beyond the fact that he is under Decepticon [[Cerebro-strip|mind-control]].

* Just like in his other previous fictional appearance, the Fallen does not actually transform in the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie. Additionally, no toy or merchandise item includes the staff that was the Fallen's weapon in the film.

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Prime (rank)

2009-07-02T19:41:16Z

Boba Fett: /* Fun Publications fan club comics */

{{quote|We are Primus. We are Prima. We are Prime Nova. We are Sentinel Prime. We are Optimus Prime.}}
'''Prime''' is a rank of highest distinction in many [[Transformers]] continuities. Typically, it is used as the identification for the leader of the [[Autobot]]s, something that is bestowed only on those that carry the [[Matrix of Leadership]] within them. It is [[Retcon|retroactively]] derived from [[Primus]], the creator of the Transformers.

With the retcon that Primus is one singular entity that exists (and '''must''' exist) threaded through all Transformer continuities, the term Prime is likewise given one singular origin. It was, first of all, the designation granted by Primus to the [[Thirteen original Transformers]] created, by his own hand, at the dawn of the physical universe to crew his planetary form.

:''Japanese equivalent:'' '''[[Convoy]]'''

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comic continuity===
The idea of Prime being a title/rank has its first, fullest expression here. A direct lineage of Creation Matrix bearers is established, each taking on a derivation of the name of their god Primus. They are [[Prima]], [[Prime Nova]], [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]], [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], and [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]].

{{note|A later [[Simon Furman]] story drawing on this lineage he himself created added [[Primon]] to the beginning of this list. Of note is that the name Prime has no real necessary relation to Autobot leadership here. Optimus Prime becomes a Prime long before he becomes the overall Autobot Commander. Rather, Prime is a religious title (as the Creation Matrix is a religious artifact: a relic of their god). The closest human analogue to a Prime might be the Pope. }}

===Cartoon continuity===
The evidence for "Prime" being a rank here is weaker than elsewhere but the case can still be made. Though many Matrix-Bearers are seen, and all are by definition Autobot Leaders, only four are ever named; 2 Primes, 2 not: [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]], Optimus Prime, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], and Rodimus Prime. Without knowing any other names it is hard to make a concrete case here for "Prime" being a title given only to Matrix-Bearers.

It is of note though that if it were, then "Prime" in this continuity would be a military/political title (since it is the ''Matrix of Leadership''), rather than the religious title of the Marvel Comics.

'''Note:''' ''Not all Convoys are Primes (and vice-versa). If you can lead [[Ant-droid]]s to a picnic, you're a Convoy in Japan.

===Beast Wars continuity===
It's only passingly touched on, but may be noteworthy that the phrase, "Who died and made you Prime?" was used by [[Maximal]] characters in ''[[Beast Wars]],'' implying that, to them, "prime" was roughly equivalent to "leader". They also used the word to mean "great" or "good" in the phrases "That's just prime," (said sarcastically), and "Feeling prime."

===Dreamwave continuity===
This continuity also establishes Prime as designating the leader of the Autobots, but there is some muddled information. The Prime carried within him the Matrix of Leadership, but it appears that the Matrix doesn't contain the wisdom of past leaders, as that was held on a [[Golden Disk (council)|separate datatrak]]. Also, the Prime did not appoint his successor. A new Prime was chosen by the [[Council of Ancients]], supposedly through divine authority.

It's unknown what powers the Prime shared with the [[High Council]] and the Council of Ancients, but the Prime had several powers. In addition to being commander-in-chief of the Autobot Army, the Prime also had the authority to order a planet wide evacuation. Autobots gave oaths of loyalty to the Prime, and were expected to risk their lives for the Prime's safety (whether the Prime wanted them to or not). {{storylink|The War Within|The War Within}}

There are five known Primes in Dreamwave continuity, listed in MTMTE #8. These are Alpha Prime, Guardian Prime, Sentinel Prime, Optimus Prime and Rodimus Prime. The list does not specify chronology, and Rodimus Prime never appeared in any actual Dreamwave comics.

===Armada/Energon/Cybertron continuity===
Prime is indeed a title given to leaders and matrix bearers here, as evidenced by both Vector Prime and Optimus Prime, but no other Primes are ever named.

===IDW Comics continuity===
[[Image:Primes IDW.JPG|right|150px|thumb|Get on it, Hasbro!]]
Optimus Prime describes Primes as beings that define the eras they ruled. Thus, Nova Prime presided over an era in which the populace believed the Cybertronian race's destiny was in the stars, and commissioned the first [[Ark (G1)|''Ark'' spacecraft]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Optimus Prime}} Although certainly a matrix-bearer, as confirmed by Optimus and Galvatron, Nova Prime disappeared into the [[Benzuli Expanse]] while aboard the ''Ark'', with the Matrix guiding him into the [[Dead Universe]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Galvatron}}

Before the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]], Sentinel Prime served as the head of the Autobot Security Services, the chief law enforcement and military body on Cybertron. However, he stresses that he is ultimately subservient to the will of the [[Senate]] who enact the laws he enforces. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 3}}

After Cybertron is rendered uninhabitable, Optimus Prime is the apparent highest ranking Autobot, directing the galaxy-spanning conflict to deny the Decepticons conquest of additional planets. In this task, he occasionally seeks the guidance of the ancient Autobot and weapon of last resort [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]].

There appear to be at least four Primes predating Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Spotlight: Optimus Prime}}

There seems to be an Autobot who held the rank of "Prime" between Sentinel and Optimus in the IDW continuity. During an early skirmish during the opening days of the Great War, a pre-Prime Optimus and Blurr discuss a plan to rescue the Autobot commander [[Zeta Prime]]. It can be assumed that this "new" Prime was "sworn in" following Sentinel Prime's death in Megatron: Origins (LBJ style), before ultimately dying himself, passing the "Prime" mantle onto Optimus. {{storylink|Spotlight: Blurr}}

===Movie continuity===
{{main|Dynasty of Primes}}

{{note|The following has been [[retcon]]ned during the [[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]] phase of the film series.}}
The title of Prime was bestowed upon the civilian and spiritual leader of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] but at the same time, aided the [[Lord High Protector]] in stewarding the [[All Spark (Movie)|All Spark]] just as the Lord High Protector was co-ruler. Optimus Prime held this title before, during and after the war for the All Spark as leader of the [[Autobots]]. {{storylink|Ghosts of Yesterday}}

According to The Quest For the ALLSPARK paperback's opening paragraph, "...Most revered were Optimus and Megatron. They were twin brothers of the Prime dynasty."
This, along with the note from the Autobots version of the same DS game that Megatron "took the spark" of his and Optimus' father, implies that “Prime” may have been their father’s name and that Megatron may have also had the surname "Prime" as well.

===Transformers Animated===
Prime is still a rank in this continuity, but surprisingly one far lower than commander of all the Autobots ([[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] - the "[[Magnus]]" refers to his rank). This is revealed when [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] attempts to give an order to [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]]. Optimus is able to disregard this order because regardless of Sentinel's standing on the [[Cybertronian Elite Guard]], they are both still of equal rank, Primes. {{storylink|The Elite Guard}} Both Ultra Magnus and Sentinel Prime have bars on their forearms, with more bars present for the superior officer. Optimus Prime lacks these, and as such it is unknown if they are only present in the Elite Guard. The Rank of Prime seems to be equivalent to the human Naval rank of Captain in this continuity.

In addition to Optimus and Sentinel, there is also [[Rodimus Prime (Animated)|Rodimus Prime]] and Longarm Prime. Longarm is head of Cybertron Intelligence. Hilariously, since he's really [[Shockwave (Animated)|someone else]] in disguise.

===Fun Publications fan club comics===
[[Image:Clubcombinercarving.jpg|right|150px|thumb|A component of the Prime of Rarified Energon looks at a portrait of his complete self...]]
It is revealed that the first [[Thirteen original Transformers]] created by Primus to crew his planetary form were all designated Primes. In addition to this designation, each was given a specific task or role in sustaining the multiverse.

[[Vector Prime]] was granted guardianship of space-time. The Prime who would become [[The Fallen]] was charged to oversee the force of entropy. [[Nexus Maximus|Another of these Primes]] was made the guardian of [[Rarefied Energon]]. Of the known members of the Thirteen, only Prima's function is still unknown.

These Primes are multiversal singularities (like their creator, only one version of each existing across all realities).
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===Shattered Glass===
The title of Prime is not an honorary rank but the title of the diabolical leader of the Autobots. [[Optimus Prime (Shattered Glass)|Optimus Prime]] stands as the current Prime. For now. [[Rodimus (Shattered Glass)|Rodimus]] may very well usurp the title and position in the future.

==See also==
*[[Autobot commander (disambiguation)|Autobot Commander]]
*[[Supreme Commander]]
*[[Convoy]]
*[[Magnus]]

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Seven Primes

2009-07-01T23:07:38Z

Boba Fett: /* Trivia */ no, he was certainly part of the Dyastey of primes, but not one of the 7, unless we want to consider him one of the 13

[[Image:ROTF_movie_SevenPrimes.jpg|300px|thumb|You must avenge my death, Simba—uh, I mean, Sam.]]

The '''Seven Primes''' were the seven original leaders of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. Each possessed a form which differed greatly from their [[Transformers|descendants]]. They traveled the galaxy looking for suns from which they could harvest [[Energon_(fuel)#Live-action_film|Energon]]. However, they tempered their search for energy by vowing they would never take a life in its pursuit.

One of their number was [[The Fallen]].

== Fiction ==
===''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie===
:''Voice actors:'' [[Michael York]], [[Kevin Michael Richardson]], [[Robin Atkin Downes]]

{{spoiler|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|July 24, 2009}}

At least 19,000 years ago, ancient beings known as the Seven Primes reached a solar system in their quest to build a [[Solar harvester]] that would replenish their race's life enery. However, they discovered the chosen system contained [[Earth|a life-bearing world]], and so six of the Primes objected to using the harvester on the system's sun. The seventh, however, insisted on using the harvester anyway, and turned on his brothers and their creed, attacking them and slaughtering many of the world's [[human|semi-sapient creatures]]. He was thereafter ever known as The Fallen. The remaining Primes battled off the Fallen and hid the [[Matrix of Leadership#Live-action film series|Matrix of Leadership]], without which he could not activate the harvester, in a [[Tomb of the Primes|tomb composed of their own bodies]].

In the present day, their descendant [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] perished in battle whilst protecting to the human adolescent [[Sam Witwicky]], the chosen one of the [[All Spark (Movie)|All Spark Cube]] and the six Primes. With the confusing knowledge of an alien civilization in his mind, Sam and his companions set out to find the Matrix of Leadership after learning it may be the only thing that could resurrect the last of the Primes, who was the only being who could defeat The Fallen. Travelling to [[Petra]] in [[Jordan]], Sam discovered the Tomb of the Primes hidden inside, but when he touched the Matrix, it crumbled into dust. Nevertheless, he held onto his faith and gathered up the dust, intending to revive Optimus with it ''somehow''.

During the climatic battle around the Solar harvester between the [[Autobot]]s and The Fallen's [[Decepticon]]s, Sam sacrificed his life in an attempt to use the remnants of the Matrix to resurrect Optimus Prime. As he left his body, the six Primes appeared to Sam in a vision, telling him that they had been observing him for a long time, and pronounced him worthy of receiving the Matrix, that which is not found, but ''earned''. Sam's soul was sent back into his body, and he was able to fulfill his destiny by reviving Optimus Prime, bringing about the defeat of The Fallen. {{Storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

==Trivia==
*In the [[Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|novelization]] and [[Revenge of the Fallen Movie Adaptation|comic adaptation]], [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] explains that there were [[Thirteen original Transformers|Thirteen Primes]], and The Fallen killed eleven of them, with the twelth Prime sacrificing his spark to seal the Matrix in the Tomb.

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The Fallen

2009-07-01T23:01:58Z

Boba Fett: /* Revenge of the Fallen movie */

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If the [[Thirteen original Transformers|first Transformers]] were [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s disciples, then '''The Fallen''' is its Judas. At the dawn of time, he was a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]], one of a brotherhood of vastly powerful beings dedicated to the well-being of their world. But The Fallen, whose original name has long since been forgotten, would gain his moniker by turning against his brothers and his purpose to pursue his own ends. His frightening form is a metal cage for primal, burning forces of [[Unicron|chaos]], giving him the appearance of a living furnace. These cauldron-like forces purged him of what empathy and morality remained.

The Fallen is immensely powerful. He commands mystic, entropic arts, and when at full strength he can un-make creation at his focused will. He is rarely defeated; at best he is contained, where he waits with eternal patience for the chance to unleash his dark powers once again. Though he has often been imprisoned between dimensions, this rarely lasts. The Fallen can open [[space bridge]]s and travel between dimensions, though he mostly uses this power to teleport short distances. Because of this ability, The Fallen has seen many universes. In several, he is the originator of the [[Decepticon]]s, the catalyst that prompted [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] to claim power for himself rather than the greater good.

If there is any reprieve, it is that there is only one of him. Like his brothers, The Fallen is a [[multiversal singularity]], meaning that in all of the vast [[Continuity|multiverse]], he has no alternate-universe doppelganger. But while the the exact details of his past are hard to reconcile, two things remain consistent: He is bad news, and he's on fire.

==Origins==
As explained in more detail below, The Fallen has been given different origin stories that may be at odds with each other. His ''[[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]]'' portrayal, wrapped in the [[Primus]]/[[Unicron]] mythology, presents him as having been created by Primus to oversee the orderly process of entropy throughout the universe. Fascinated by the idea of cosmic destruction, The Fallen fell under the sway of the ultimate destroyer, Unicron, and he tried to help his new master by sabotaging Primus's bodily form, Cybertron. This failed, and when Unicron lost the battle against Primus, both he and The Fallen were banished to another dimension. From then on, The Fallen craved only the release of his master and the ultimate death of the universe.

This cosmology is reinforced by The Fallen's brief [[Unicron Trilogy]] appearance, where he is seen among the other 13 original Transformers, some of whom are known to have also survived to the present day.

However, his ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' portrayal lacks the Primus/Unicron element; the only creative power is the [[All Spark]], a far more impersonal entity. The Fallen and his fellow "Primes," who were not actually "Transformers" per se, had one mission: to recharge the All Spark by siphoning solar energy. The Fallen's crimes were that he wanted all of that energy for himself, and he was willing to sacrifice an inhabited world (Earth) to do it. His brother Primes did stop him, but at the cost of their own lives. Despite (or perhaps because of) their deaths, they were able to imprison The Fallen in another dimension, from whence he plots and schemes his escape.

So, while similar in form, The Fallen's stories disagree in many details. The ''Revenge of the Fallen'' universe is still being fleshed out, so perhaps future information will clarify the questionable areas.

==Fiction==
===''Generation 1''===
====Dreamwave comics continuity====

[[Image:Thefallenseeksfour.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Hey, The Fallen, ever heard of Tums?]]
When Primus and Unicron first battled as planets, Primus created the first 13 Transformers to assist him in planet mode. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}} The Fallen's original purpose as one of the 13 was to oversee entropy, the orderly dissolution of all things in preparation for the next creation. But the concept of destruction fascinated him too much, and he lost sight of the goal of rebirth and the necessity of restraint. His investigations into the dark sciences led him to Unicron, to whom he gave himself. <ref>[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/toys/titanium/the-fallen/1126/2/9/ Fallen's ''Titanium Series'' on-package bio]</ref> Corrupted by Unicron, the Fallen then tried to sabotage his creator's body. This attempt ended in failure, and "The Fallen" fled to his master, but there was little refuge to be found: They were both sucked into a [[black hole]]. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}}

Approximately 7 million years before the 21st century, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] were lost in a [[space bridge]] accident. This accident weakened the barrier between reality and the dimension in which The Fallen was trapped, allowing The Fallen to eventually break free and return to Cybertron.

[[Image:Thefallen.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Ah, you know it's funny, these people, they go to sleep, they think everything's fine, everything's good... They wake up the next day and they're on fire.]]

The Fallen immediately set about initiating the "[[Unbinding]]", an event which required four particular Transformers, who would function as "angles in the geometry of dissolution". To help him round up the required Transformers, the Fallen recruited a [[Chaos Trinity|trio of Decepticon outcasts]], [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], [[Mindwipe]], and [[Bugly]], who hungered for a command of the occult. The Fallen promised them all manner of dark powers in exchange for serving him. Leading his three followers to a hidden room within Cybertron, he named [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] as the first of the angles to be gathered. {{storylink|Fragmentation}}

The Fallen and company proceeded to construct a strange machine within the [[Well of All Sparks]] in preparation for the Unbinding. Unfortunately, Bludgeon and friends got impatient for more than The Fallen's praise and demanded a more tangible reward: the arcane power he had promised them. The Fallen responded by grabbing Bludgeon’s head and giving him a mere glimpse of what he sought: images of a fiery vortex, demonic faces, stabbing swords and a human skull engulfed Bludgeon. The Fallen stated that this was but a peek inside a dark door he would fully open if they served him well. This left Bludgeon suitably inspired to begin hunting down their targets.

[[Image:Thefallengrimlock.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Someone should tell Grimlock this more often.]]

Bugly and Mindwipe leaked information to draw the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] out into combat with [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], while Bludgeon hatched a plot to snare both Grimlock and[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]. {{storylink|Escalation (IDW)|Escalation}} Bludgeon, Bugly, and Mindwipe ambushed Jetfire as he attempted a cross-faction meeting with [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. When Grimlock crashed the party earlier than they expected, however, The Fallen himself had to intervene and caught Grimlock’s blazing energo-sword in his bare hand. {{storylink|Revelation (The Dark Ages)|Revelation}}

Grimlock took one punch from The Fallen yet still got back up, so The Fallen grabbed him by the shoulders and unleashed a huge blast of energy that put the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] leader out cold. He dragged Grimlock and Jetfire away and commanded his followers to gather the third angle while he handled the fourth. The Fallen singlehandedly abducted [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] from his well-guarded holding cell in Autobot headquarters, shrugging off attacks by some of the Autobots' best warriors and causing their weapons to corrode away into uselessness with a mere gesture. Bludgeon's team, meanwhile, succeeded in acquiring [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]] from the Protectobots.

[[Image:Fallenmoreonfire.jpg|right|thumb|250px|The Fallen somehow sets himself ''more on fire''.]]

All four angles were strapped to the device in the Well of All Sparks. Launching into full B-movie villain mode, The Fallen theatrically monologued to the awakening Jetfire that they were casualties in the war of the Gods, and would be used to break the Seal of Primus, after which "all chaos will follow". {{storylink|Confrontation (issue)|Confrontation}}

The Fallen continued his villainous monologue, apparently directing it not at Jetfire but at Primus himself, as the four Transformers' unique sparks were drained to unlock the Seal of Primus. A combined army of forces from several factions defeated the Chaos Trinity and penetrated The Fallen's operation, while Jetfire arranged a force-field to contain the energy of Primus. The God of Light himself was subsequently roused from his slumber; with a gesture of his radiant hand, he engulfed his wayward creation in a torrent of searing energy that was then sucked back into the Seal of Primus. {{storylink|Conflagration}}
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===Unicron Trilogy===
====''Cybertron'' comic====
[[Image:Vectorprimeut.jpg|thumb|140px|Back, and to the left.]]
[[Vector Prime]]'s reminiscences of his mission and history included standing with his fellow 13 original Transformers, The Fallen's silhouette visible in their ranks. {{storylink|Vector Prime: In the Beginning}}

{{note|This story and comments by [[Hasbro]] copy-writer [[Forest Lee]] are the basis of the notion that The Fallen, Vector Prime, and the other original 13 are singular entities with no duplicates throughout the multiverse. This was reiterated at [[BotCon 2009]], even in the face of the upcoming ''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie. Brave men these Hasbro writers be!}}
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===Live-action film series===
====IDW ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics====
[[Image:Defianceissue4-creation.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Look [[Prima|familiar]]?]]

According to what The Fallen told [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] as part of the latter's recruitment, The Fallen and his brothers were the first creations of the [[All Spark]]. The planet that would become [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] was mostly barren, but as the All Spark gradually shaped Cybertron around them and gave The Fallen and his brothers power beyond measure, the All Spark became depleted. They learned that the its power could be replenished by harvesting the energy of stars, but they were unable to locate new stars to suit their purposes, despite their amazing ability to travel between dimensions using triangular "sarcophagi."

A breakthrough came when the All Spark created for them [[Transformer|workers]] that had a power of their own: They could change their forms! Some, called "[[Seeker (body-type)|seeker]]s," could even change into interstellar crafts that could locate suns for them. But as the workers built a [[Solar Harvester|solar harvester]] on [[Earth]] to gather this solar energy, The Fallen wondered evil thoughts. What if only one harvested the energy? What if the power was his alone?

The Fallen betrayed his brothers. To erase their existence, he destroyed their sarcophagi, in which their life forces were stored. But this drained him of almost all his energy, and while he was weak, the brothers he thought he had killed... acted. They sacrificed themselves to trap him in a fiery dimension within his own sarcophagus, while the harvester on Earth was covered by the [[Human|natives]] with a pyramid. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}

[[Image:Defiance4_Megatron_TheFallen.jpg|thumb|300px|All right, who changed the thermostat!?]]

Knowledge of this was lost through the ages, and eons later, a mysterious pylon was found buried on Cybertron by modern-day Transformers and delivered to Megatron's private quarters. Unbeknownst to them all, this was the sarcophagus of The Fallen, and upon activation, it healed the grievously-wounded Cybertronian military leader and established contact between him and its prisoner. Filled with a new resolve to destroy those who sought out the All Spark, Megatron's optics were tinted red by the encounter. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 2}} In the aftermath of Megatron's ruthless battle against a band of aliens seeking the All Spark, The Fallen further counseled him to seize control of Cybertron to make way for The Fallen's return. He also told him that [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] sought the All Spark for himself, and Megatron immediately decided that Optimus and his followers deserved to be killed for this transgression. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 3}}

But simply taking the planet would not be enough. The Fallen also ordered Megatron to build a [[Nemesis (Movie)|space cruiser]] to seek out the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]], which he said was a prerequisite to his return. As the ship's construction came to an end, The Fallen told Megatron the story of his origin (recounted above) and his plans regarding the harvester on Earth. The Fallen ordered Megatron to put his sarcophagus on the ship and then stay behind to fight Optimus's forces and safeguard the All Spark. [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] and a majority of the Decepticon soldiers crewed the ship, which ended up crashing on some barren world under unknown circumstances.

Meanwhile on Cybertron, civil war raged between Optimus's Autobots and Megatron's Decepticons, a war which eventually led to the All Spark being launched into space. As Megatron alone pursued the hurtling cube, he picked up a distress signal from the ''Nemesis.'' He found the crashed ship and within it the still-intact sarcophagus. He once again spoke with The Fallen, who was furious that Megatron had taken this detour from his pursuit of the All Spark. He ordered him to resume the chase immediately, confident that it would guide itself to the harvester. Megatron obeyed, leaving the sarcophagus in the barren wreckage. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}
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====''I Can Read'' storybook continuity====
[[Image:TheFallen-RiseoftheDecepticons.jpg|left|thumb|200px|I can has face?]]
[[Image:TheFallen-thrownintospace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Maybe Prime doesn't want your stupid face!]]
The Fallen is the most powerful and evil of Decepticons, but he has been asleep for ages. But now he's woken up, and he has designs on Earth! Will he and Megatron be too powerful to defeat? {{storylink|Rise of the Decepticons}}

The Fallen flies towards Earth. Since he feeds on energy, he is more powerful than even Megatron! He plans to absorb the energy of Earth's Sun.

Thankfully, Optimus Prime and his Autobots are here to stop him. Ultimately, The Fallen is thrown through a portal leading into outer space. {{storylink|I Am Optimus Prime (ROTF)|I Am Optimus Prime}}
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====DK ''Transformers: The Movie Universe'' book====
The original Transformers, all of them Primes, were united by a directive that safeguarded all life, and as such they refused to utilize the harvester on the inhabited Earth. One of their number, however, decided "I want Energon!" and slaughtered his brothers so he could harvest the Sun. He threw away his original name became the Fallen. In the end, he slaughtered all of his brethren, but they were still able to imprison him in a pocket dimension and save the Earth. In the process, his appearance had changed to a terrifying, cage-like exostructure burning with chaotic energies from the universe's creation, forces that had purged him of all morality. Since his body was never meant to contain the unholy power flowing through it, he had to steadily vent that energy to ensure his own continued existence. This created the visual effect of a constant fiery nimbus.

While effectively harmless to the universe outside his prison, his powers remained vast: He could generate space bridges spontaneously, as well as focus his energies into discrete blasts that could unmake creation itself. Were he ever able to escape, he would be a supremely powerful danger. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe|The Movie Universe}}

====Titan Magazines ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics====

[[Image:Titan1_FallenStarscream.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Behold my <strike>resting</strike> mighty hand!]]

The sinister figure of the Fallen made contact with [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] soon after Megatron's death, using him to organise the Decepticon army and lay the groundwork for his return, his... revenge! He ordered Starscream and his forces to go to Cybertron and await further instruction, and promised that once the Matrix was found, [[Earth]] would ''burn''! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.1|Training Day}}

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====''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Tony Todd]] (English), [[Banjō Ginga]] (Japanese)
{{spoiler|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|July 24, 2009}}

Nineteen thousand years ago, The Fallen went against the wishes of [[Seven Primes|his brother Primes]] and tried to harvest the sun of an inhabited planet, [[Earth]]. However, The Fallen was defeated and the remaining Primes hid themselves and the [[Matrix of Leadership]], and The Fallen's [[solar harvester]] was concealed within a pyramid in [[Egypt]]. The Fallen became known as the first [[Decepticon]], and he became the master of [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], leader of the faction. He employed Megatron in the pursuit of the [[All Spark]], but after Megatron's defeat at [[Mission City]], the All Spark was reduced to a mere fragment.

[[Image:ROTFteaser2_firerobot.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Not shown: all the Autobots yet to be composited into this shot.]]

Upon Megatron's revival he traveled to the ''[[Nemesis (ROTF)|Nemesis]]'', currently lying wrecked on one of [[Saturn]]'s moons, and prostrated himself before the Fallen. His master revealed the true nature of the All Spark and its continued survival within the human, [[Sam Witwicky]]. The Fallen also explained that the only threat to him was the last surviving [[Prime (ROTF)|Prime]], [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]]. He ordered Megatron to use the boy to draw Prime out.

{{note|The [[Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|novel adaptation]] identifies the location of the Nemesis as a planet orbiting a cooling star no longer able to give light or life.}}

With the death of the last remaining Prime, The Fallen made his move. He and several other Decepticons traveled to the Earth's surface in [[transition form|re-entry mode]]s, destroying an [[United States Navy#U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71)|aircraft carrier]] as well as attacking several cities. The Fallen tapped into Earth's communication network, and announced the presence of the Transformers on Earth on worldwide television, demanding the "human hive" hand over Sam.

Unfortunately, Sam was in Egypt hunting for the [[Matrix of Leadership]] after being told it might be able to revive Optimus. He succeeded, but moments after Prime's resurrection, The Fallen appeared amongst the assorted NEST troops, pinning Optimus and stealing the Matrix. He then teleported to the now uncovered harvester and used the Matrix to power it. While it charged, he demonstrated his considerable power by destroying the attacking military forces with telekinesis, but a super-powered Optimus Prime, now fused with [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]], destroyed the harvester. After a short but intense battle, Optimus ripped off The Fallen's face and killed him by punching through his abdomen, as a wounded Megatron watched in horror.{{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

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==Games==
===''Revenge of the Fallen: The Game''===
:''Voice actor:'' [[James Arnold Taylor]]

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==Toys==
===Titanium Series===
[[Image:Thefallentitanium.JPG|right|thumb|300px|Hey, Stegmutt! Mister The Fallen is ON FIRE!]]
*'''Fallen''' (6-inch Cybertron Heroes, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Display stand
: Instead of being based on his comic appearance, the Fallen toy is loosely based on [[Don Figueroa]]'s design for pre-[[Earth]] [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] as seen in ''[[Infiltration]]'' and ''[[Stormbringer (comics)|Stormbringer]]'', though obviously with The Fallen's head and deco. He transforms into a Cybertronic tank. Sadly his tank form doesn't hold together well, nor does he have actual hands, just blocks with holes in them. His side-mounted cannons can peg into his forearms in robot mode, or be held in his fists. He wears a faction symbol of his own effigy. So far, The Fallen is, by a fraction of an inch, the tallest (and the bulkiest) of the 6" Titanium Series figures.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Unicron/TheFallen/thefallen.htm More information on The Fallen at TFU.info]''

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===Revenge of the Fallen===
====Legends Class====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenLegends.jpg|right|thumb|300px|''*high-pitched helium voice*'' "I am the Faaallllleeeen!"]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Legends, 2009)
:Part of wave 3 of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends Class toys, The Fallen transforms from robot mode to a Cybertronian Destroyer.

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[[Image:ROTF_Legends_TheFallen_Lawson.jpg|thumb|300px|What, how dare they make me so small?! I was worshipped as a ''GOD!'']]
*'''Soundwave / EZ Collection The Fallen''' (2009)
:Available exclusively at the Lawson's convenience store in Japan (and the only way to obtain this figure in via TakaraTomy), this version of Legends class The Fallen has more paint applications than the Hasbro release. The Deluxe-class Preview Soundwave it comes with is unchanged from the regular release. Preorders opened on [[May 1]]st and close on [[June 30]]th, and the figure itself ships on [[October 16]]th.

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====Voyager Class====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenVoyager.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Smokin'!]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Voyager, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RD-10'''

:Part of wave two of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Voyager Class figures, The Fallen transforms from a robot into a "Cybertronian Destroyer" mode. The robot mode features several "slide-out energy absorption panels" on his head and arms which can either be deployed or hidden. In addition to that [[Mech Alive]] feature, his feet are spring-actioned so that when the toy is not standing on a surface (in other words, in jet mode), the toes ball up together. Setting the robot back down on a flat surface will splay the toes open again.

:There are rubbery connectors that attach his arms to his torso that increase accuracy to his visual portrayal in the live-action film, but this restricts his arm movement severely.

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[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenVoyagerorange.jpg|right|thumb|250px|CAUTION: HOT]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Voyager, 2009)

:A Target-[[exclusive]] redeco of The Fallen in a black and translucent orange colour scheme, both to homage the Fallen's original appearance in the Generation 1 continuity and presumably to show him being "on fire".
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*'''Gathering at Nemesis''' (Toys "R" Us-exclusive box set, 2009)
: This version of The Fallen comes with a silver Voyager Class Megatron from the first movie toyline and a ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Soundwave [[redeco]]ed in predominantly blue as an homage to the original Soundwave. It is unknown at this time if this The Fallen will have color differences.
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====Robot Replicas====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenRobotReplica.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Yes! We come from France!]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Robot Replica, 2009)
:This nonconvertible figurine of The Fallen boasts several points of articulation, a faithful replication of the robot mode, and little else.
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==Merchandise==
===7-11 Slurpee tie-in merchandise===
[[Image:ROTFmerchandise-TheFallenstraw.jpg|right|thumb|150px|''Great'' Transformers tie-in merchandise or the ''greatest'' Transformers tie-in merchandise?]]
*'''The Fallen'''
: The Fallen will help you uncreate your Slurpee with this Slurpee straw topper figurine! Comes attached to a straw in a baggie and is available at your local 7-11 while supplies last!
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===Burger King===
[[Image:ROTFmerchandise-BurgerKingTheFallen.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Flame grilled to perfection]]
*'''The Fallen Flip-Out''' (2009)
:An embossed [[Giant Decepticon insignia|plastic Decepticon insignia]], which flips up into a flat representation of The Fallen with some shoulder articulation. The Fallen, naturally, has flames behind him.
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===Robot Heroes===
[[Image:Robotheroesmegatronfallenprimejetfireironhide.jpg|300px|thumb|right|Whoa, who ordered the extra-large The Fallen?]]
*'''Battle for the Fallen''' (box set, 2009)
:This ''[[Robot Heroes]]'' box set of figures comes with The Fallen, Megatron (tank mode), Optimus Prime and [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] combined, and [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] (truck mode). He is twice as large as a regular ''Robot Heroes'' figure, and has simple swivel joints in his arms.

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==Notes==
[[Image:Fallenpatlee.jpg|right|thumb|150px|I'm The Fallen, and I can't get up!]]

* The Fallen design was created by [[Pat Lee]], his first (and only) original Transformers character. ([[Simon Furman]] created the concept, see next item.) The early design concept not only lacked The Fallen's characteristic mouthplate, but differed incredibly from the final product. Envisioned as a medieval, ancient-looking Transformer, he glowed like a furnace, though he was not depicted as being perpetually on fire until [[Andrew Wildman]] penciled his appearances in ''[[The Dark Ages]]'' and the colorists caught on.

* The Fallen was also used to recycle some of Simon Furman's unused [[Last Autobot]] plans.[http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~sstoneb/tf/tidbits/otfcc2004.txt]

*When questioned about him constantly being aflame, ''War Within'' writer Simon Furman stated that The Fallen is always on fire "because it looks cool".

[[Image:Thefallentank.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The Judasmobile.]]
*The Fallen's Dreamwave comics [[altmode]], a tank, though designed, was never used in-fiction. Similarly, the Fallen is said to have ''no'' alternate mode in IDW comics, while in the film it is only glimpsed whenever he teleports.

*Very little of The Fallen's backstory was given in his first fictional appearances, leaving much of ''The Dark Ages'' somewhat confusing on its own. Helpful inserts from the ''More Than Meets the Eye'' profile books and DK's ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'', published around the same time, spelled out more. Eventually, the packaging profile printed on his Titanium figure gave the rest. Oh, and then years later, he was the titular villain of a summer blockbuster film.

* The proper treatment of his name, with its capital-T "The", is established both in the comics and the ''Ultimate Guide''. The one dissenting source is his on-package [[bio]], which simply calls him "'''Fallen'''" (as in, "'''Fallen''' forgot his real name long ago"). The reason for this awkward treatment is unknown, though the usual culprits behind toy-name oddities are [[trademark]] issues.

* The Fallen can speak Spanish. ''"Estoy en fuego!"''<ref>Fanclub-exclusive Mini Mayhem strip, March 19, 2007</ref>

* During San Diego Comic-Con 2008, in an interview on July 25th, [[Simon Furman]] claimed that ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]'' would feature a character called the Fallen, which was a character they created for Dreamwave's ''The War Within: The Dark Ages''.<ref>[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17412 Simon Furman confirms The Fallen is a character in an interview with Comic Book Resources (Fallen details removed)]</ref> Three days later, [[IDW Publishing]] writer [[Chris Mowry]] corroborated the claim in an interview with MTV Splash Page, calling "The Fallen" the main villain of the film.<ref>[http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/07/28/exclusive-transformers-2-prequel-comic-gives-inside-scoop-on-2009-movie/ MTV Splash Page interviews Chris Mowry (Fallen details removed)]</ref> Less than a week after this, however, [[Michael Bay]] reiterated that everything leaked thus far is part of their misinformation campaign and that only a handful of people involved with the production of ''Revenge'' have seen the script, contradicting IDW's interviews where their representatives confirm that they have the script.<ref>[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44729&postcount=2 A post made by Michael Bay on his forum]</ref> Curiously, on August 5th 2008, after a fan posted on Michael Bay's forum pointing out the contradiction, all references to The Fallen were removed from the aforementioned interviews, as well as any references to IDW Publishing having the script.

* In Titan ''Transformers Comic'' [[Aftermath Part 2]], the newly-ascendant [[President of the United States]] is named [[Theodore Allen|'''The'''odore '''F. Allen''']]. It remains to be seen if the wordplay has any significance beyond the fact that he is under Decepticon [[Cerebro-strip|mind-control]].

* Just as was the case with his other previous fictional appearances, the Fallen does not actually transform in the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie. Additionally, no toy or merchandise item includes the telekinetic / anti-gravity staff that was The Fallen's primary weapon in the film.

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The Fallen

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[[Image:TheFallen_ROTF-AdaptationComic.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Not even the comic panel can contain him!]]

If the [[Thirteen original Transformers|first Transformers]] were [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s disciples, then '''The Fallen''' is its Judas. At the dawn of time, he was a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]], one of a brotherhood of vastly powerful beings dedicated to the well-being of their world. But The Fallen, whose original name has long since been forgotten, would gain his moniker by turning against his brothers and his purpose to pursue his own ends. His frightening form is a metal cage for primal, burning forces of [[Unicron|chaos]], giving him the appearance of a living furnace. These cauldron-like forces purged him of what empathy and morality remained.

The Fallen is immensely powerful. He commands mystic, entropic arts, and when at full strength he can un-make creation at his focused will. He is rarely defeated; at best he is contained, where he waits with eternal patience for the chance to unleash his dark powers once again. Though he has often been imprisoned between dimensions, this rarely lasts. The Fallen can open [[space bridge]]s and travel between dimensions, though he mostly uses this power to teleport short distances. Because of this ability, The Fallen has seen many universes. In several, he is the originator of the [[Decepticon]]s, the catalyst that prompted [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] to claim power for himself rather than the greater good.

If there is any reprieve, it is that there is only one of him. Like his brothers, The Fallen is a [[multiversal singularity]], meaning that in all of the vast [[Continuity|multiverse]], he has no alternate-universe doppelganger. But while the the exact details of his past are hard to reconcile, two things remain consistent: He is bad news, and he's on fire.

==Origins==
As explained in more detail below, The Fallen has been given different origin stories that may be at odds with each other. His ''[[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]]'' portrayal, wrapped in the [[Primus]]/[[Unicron]] mythology, presents him as having been created by Primus to oversee the orderly process of entropy throughout the universe. Fascinated by the idea of cosmic destruction, The Fallen fell under the sway of the ultimate destroyer, Unicron, and he tried to help his new master by sabotaging Primus's bodily form, Cybertron. This failed, and when Unicron lost the battle against Primus, both he and The Fallen were banished to another dimension. From then on, The Fallen craved only the release of his master and the ultimate death of the universe.

This cosmology is reinforced by The Fallen's brief [[Unicron Trilogy]] appearance, where he is seen among the other 13 original Transformers, some of whom are known to have also survived to the present day.

However, his ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' portrayal lacks the Primus/Unicron element; the only creative power is the [[All Spark]], a far more impersonal entity. The Fallen and his fellow "Primes," who were not actually "Transformers" per se, had one mission: to recharge the All Spark by siphoning solar energy. The Fallen's crimes were that he wanted all of that energy for himself, and he was willing to sacrifice an inhabited world (Earth) to do it. His brother Primes did stop him, but at the cost of their own lives. Despite (or perhaps because of) their deaths, they were able to imprison The Fallen in another dimension, from whence he plots and schemes his escape.

So, while similar in form, The Fallen's stories disagree in many details. The ''Revenge of the Fallen'' universe is still being fleshed out, so perhaps future information will clarify the questionable areas.

==Fiction==
===''Generation 1''===
====Dreamwave comics continuity====

[[Image:Thefallenseeksfour.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Hey, The Fallen, ever heard of Tums?]]
When Primus and Unicron first battled as planets, Primus created the first 13 Transformers to assist him in planet mode. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}} The Fallen's original purpose as one of the 13 was to oversee entropy, the orderly dissolution of all things in preparation for the next creation. But the concept of destruction fascinated him too much, and he lost sight of the goal of rebirth and the necessity of restraint. His investigations into the dark sciences led him to Unicron, to whom he gave himself. <ref>[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/toys/titanium/the-fallen/1126/2/9/ Fallen's ''Titanium Series'' on-package bio]</ref> Corrupted by Unicron, the Fallen then tried to sabotage his creator's body. This attempt ended in failure, and "The Fallen" fled to his master, but there was little refuge to be found: They were both sucked into a [[black hole]]. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}}

Approximately 7 million years before the 21st century, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] were lost in a [[space bridge]] accident. This accident weakened the barrier between reality and the dimension in which The Fallen was trapped, allowing The Fallen to eventually break free and return to Cybertron.

[[Image:Thefallen.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Ah, you know it's funny, these people, they go to sleep, they think everything's fine, everything's good... They wake up the next day and they're on fire.]]

The Fallen immediately set about initiating the "[[Unbinding]]", an event which required four particular Transformers, who would function as "angles in the geometry of dissolution". To help him round up the required Transformers, the Fallen recruited a [[Chaos Trinity|trio of Decepticon outcasts]], [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], [[Mindwipe]], and [[Bugly]], who hungered for a command of the occult. The Fallen promised them all manner of dark powers in exchange for serving him. Leading his three followers to a hidden room within Cybertron, he named [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] as the first of the angles to be gathered. {{storylink|Fragmentation}}

The Fallen and company proceeded to construct a strange machine within the [[Well of All Sparks]] in preparation for the Unbinding. Unfortunately, Bludgeon and friends got impatient for more than The Fallen's praise and demanded a more tangible reward: the arcane power he had promised them. The Fallen responded by grabbing Bludgeon’s head and giving him a mere glimpse of what he sought: images of a fiery vortex, demonic faces, stabbing swords and a human skull engulfed Bludgeon. The Fallen stated that this was but a peek inside a dark door he would fully open if they served him well. This left Bludgeon suitably inspired to begin hunting down their targets.

[[Image:Thefallengrimlock.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Someone should tell Grimlock this more often.]]

Bugly and Mindwipe leaked information to draw the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] out into combat with [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], while Bludgeon hatched a plot to snare both Grimlock and[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]. {{storylink|Escalation (IDW)|Escalation}} Bludgeon, Bugly, and Mindwipe ambushed Jetfire as he attempted a cross-faction meeting with [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. When Grimlock crashed the party earlier than they expected, however, The Fallen himself had to intervene and caught Grimlock’s blazing energo-sword in his bare hand. {{storylink|Revelation (The Dark Ages)|Revelation}}

Grimlock took one punch from The Fallen yet still got back up, so The Fallen grabbed him by the shoulders and unleashed a huge blast of energy that put the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] leader out cold. He dragged Grimlock and Jetfire away and commanded his followers to gather the third angle while he handled the fourth. The Fallen singlehandedly abducted [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] from his well-guarded holding cell in Autobot headquarters, shrugging off attacks by some of the Autobots' best warriors and causing their weapons to corrode away into uselessness with a mere gesture. Bludgeon's team, meanwhile, succeeded in acquiring [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]] from the Protectobots.

[[Image:Fallenmoreonfire.jpg|right|thumb|250px|The Fallen somehow sets himself ''more on fire''.]]

All four angles were strapped to the device in the Well of All Sparks. Launching into full B-movie villain mode, The Fallen theatrically monologued to the awakening Jetfire that they were casualties in the war of the Gods, and would be used to break the Seal of Primus, after which "all chaos will follow". {{storylink|Confrontation (issue)|Confrontation}}

The Fallen continued his villainous monologue, apparently directing it not at Jetfire but at Primus himself, as the four Transformers' unique sparks were drained to unlock the Seal of Primus. A combined army of forces from several factions defeated the Chaos Trinity and penetrated The Fallen's operation, while Jetfire arranged a force-field to contain the energy of Primus. The God of Light himself was subsequently roused from his slumber; with a gesture of his radiant hand, he engulfed his wayward creation in a torrent of searing energy that was then sucked back into the Seal of Primus. {{storylink|Conflagration}}
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===Unicron Trilogy===
====''Cybertron'' comic====
[[Image:Vectorprimeut.jpg|thumb|140px|Back, and to the left.]]
[[Vector Prime]]'s reminiscences of his mission and history included standing with his fellow 13 original Transformers, The Fallen's silhouette visible in their ranks. {{storylink|Vector Prime: In the Beginning}}

{{note|This story and comments by [[Hasbro]] copy-writer [[Forest Lee]] are the basis of the notion that The Fallen, Vector Prime, and the other original 13 are singular entities with no duplicates throughout the multiverse. This was reiterated at [[BotCon 2009]], even in the face of the upcoming ''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie. Brave men these Hasbro writers be!}}
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===Live-action film series===
====IDW ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics====
[[Image:Defianceissue4-creation.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Look [[Prima|familiar]]?]]

According to what The Fallen told [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] as part of the latter's recruitment, The Fallen and his brothers were the first creations of the [[All Spark]]. The planet that would become [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] was mostly barren, but as the All Spark gradually shaped Cybertron around them and gave The Fallen and his brothers power beyond measure, the All Spark became depleted. They learned that the its power could be replenished by harvesting the energy of stars, but they were unable to locate new stars to suit their purposes, despite their amazing ability to travel between dimensions using triangular "sarcophagi."

A breakthrough came when the All Spark created for them [[Transformer|workers]] that had a power of their own: They could change their forms! Some, called "[[Seeker (body-type)|seeker]]s," could even change into interstellar crafts that could locate suns for them. But as the workers built a [[Solar Harvester|solar harvester]] on [[Earth]] to gather this solar energy, The Fallen wondered evil thoughts. What if only one harvested the energy? What if the power was his alone?

The Fallen betrayed his brothers. To erase their existence, he destroyed their sarcophagi, in which their life forces were stored. But this drained him of almost all his energy, and while he was weak, the brothers he thought he had killed... acted. They sacrificed themselves to trap him in a fiery dimension within his own sarcophagus, while the harvester on Earth was covered by the [[Human|natives]] with a pyramid. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}

[[Image:Defiance4_Megatron_TheFallen.jpg|thumb|300px|All right, who changed the thermostat!?]]

Knowledge of this was lost through the ages, and eons later, a mysterious pylon was found buried on Cybertron by modern-day Transformers and delivered to Megatron's private quarters. Unbeknownst to them all, this was the sarcophagus of The Fallen, and upon activation, it healed the grievously-wounded Cybertronian military leader and established contact between him and its prisoner. Filled with a new resolve to destroy those who sought out the All Spark, Megatron's optics were tinted red by the encounter. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 2}} In the aftermath of Megatron's ruthless battle against a band of aliens seeking the All Spark, The Fallen further counseled him to seize control of Cybertron to make way for The Fallen's return. He also told him that [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] sought the All Spark for himself, and Megatron immediately decided that Optimus and his followers deserved to be killed for this transgression. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 3}}

But simply taking the planet would not be enough. The Fallen also ordered Megatron to build a [[Nemesis (Movie)|space cruiser]] to seek out the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]], which he said was a prerequisite to his return. As the ship's construction came to an end, The Fallen told Megatron the story of his origin (recounted above) and his plans regarding the harvester on Earth. The Fallen ordered Megatron to put his sarcophagus on the ship and then stay behind to fight Optimus's forces and safeguard the All Spark. [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] and a majority of the Decepticon soldiers crewed the ship, which ended up crashing on some barren world under unknown circumstances.

Meanwhile on Cybertron, civil war raged between Optimus's Autobots and Megatron's Decepticons, a war which eventually led to the All Spark being launched into space. As Megatron alone pursued the hurtling cube, he picked up a distress signal from the ''Nemesis.'' He found the crashed ship and within it the still-intact sarcophagus. He once again spoke with The Fallen, who was furious that Megatron had taken this detour from his pursuit of the All Spark. He ordered him to resume the chase immediately, confident that it would guide itself to the harvester. Megatron obeyed, leaving the sarcophagus in the barren wreckage. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}
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====''I Can Read'' storybook continuity====
[[Image:TheFallen-RiseoftheDecepticons.jpg|left|thumb|200px|I can has face?]]
[[Image:TheFallen-thrownintospace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Maybe Prime doesn't want your stupid face!]]
The Fallen is the most powerful and evil of Decepticons, but he has been asleep for ages. But now he's woken up, and he has designs on Earth! Will he and Megatron be too powerful to defeat? {{storylink|Rise of the Decepticons}}

The Fallen flies towards Earth. Since he feeds on energy, he is more powerful than even Megatron! He plans to absorb the energy of Earth's Sun.

Thankfully, Optimus Prime and his Autobots are here to stop him. Ultimately, The Fallen is thrown through a portal leading into outer space. {{storylink|I Am Optimus Prime (ROTF)|I Am Optimus Prime}}
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====DK ''Transformers: The Movie Universe'' book====
The original Transformers, all of them Primes, were united by a directive that safeguarded all life, and as such they refused to utilize the harvester on the inhabited Earth. One of their number, however, decided "I want Energon!" and slaughtered his brothers so he could harvest the Sun. He threw away his original name became the Fallen. In the end, he slaughtered all of his brethren, but they were still able to imprison him in a pocket dimension and save the Earth. In the process, his appearance had changed to a terrifying, cage-like exostructure burning with chaotic energies from the universe's creation, forces that had purged him of all morality. Since his body was never meant to contain the unholy power flowing through it, he had to steadily vent that energy to ensure his own continued existence. This created the visual effect of a constant fiery nimbus.

While effectively harmless to the universe outside his prison, his powers remained vast: He could generate space bridges spontaneously, as well as focus his energies into discrete blasts that could unmake creation itself. Were he ever able to escape, he would be a supremely powerful danger. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe|The Movie Universe}}

====Titan Magazines ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics====

[[Image:Titan1_FallenStarscream.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Behold my <strike>resting</strike> mighty hand!]]

The sinister figure of the Fallen made contact with [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] soon after Megatron's death, using him to organise the Decepticon army and lay the groundwork for his return, his... revenge! He ordered Starscream and his forces to go to Cybertron and await further instruction, and promised that once the Matrix was found, [[Earth]] would ''burn''! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.1|Training Day}}

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====''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Tony Todd]] (English), [[Banjō Ginga]] (Japanese)
{{spoiler|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|July 24, 2009}}

Nineteen thousand years ago, The Fallen went against the wishes of [[Seven Primes|his brother Primes]] and tried to harvest the sun of an inhabited planet, [[Earth]]. However, The Fallen was defeated and the remaining Primes hid themselves and the [[Matrix of Leadership]], and The Fallen's [[solar harvester]] was concealed within a pyramid in [[Egypt]]. The Fallen became known as the first [[Decepticon]], and he became the master of [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], leader of the faction. He employed Megatron in the pursuit of the [[All Spark]], but after Megatron's defeat at [[Mission City]], the All Spark was reduced to a mere fragment.
[[Image:ROTFteaser2_firerobot.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Not shown: all the Autobots yet to be composited into this shot.]]
Upon Megatron's revival he traveled to the ''[[Nemesis (ROTF)|Nemesis]]'', currently lying wrecked on one of [[Saturn]]'s moons, and prostrated himself before the Fallen. His master revealed the true nature of the All Spark and its continued survival within the human, [[Sam Witwicky]]. The Fallen also explained that the only threat to him was the last surviving [[Prime (ROTF)|Prime]], [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]]. He ordered Megatron to use the boy to draw Prime out.
{{note|The [[Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|novel adaptation]] identifies the location of the Nemesis as a planet orbiting a cooling star no longer able to give light or life.}}
With the death of the last remaining Prime, The Fallen made his move. He and several other Decepticons traveled to the Earth's surface in [[transition form|re-entry mode]]s, destroying an [[United States Navy#U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71)|aircraft carrier]] as well as attacking several cities. The Fallen tapped into Earth's communication network, and announced the presence of the Transformers on Earth on worldwide television, demanding the "human hive" hand over Sam.

Unfortunately, Sam was in Egypt hunting for the [[Matrix of Leadership]] after being told it might be able to revive Optimus. He succeeded, but moments after Prime's resurrection, The Fallen appeared amongst the assorted NEST troops, pinning Optimus and stealing the Matrix. He then teleported to the now uncovered harvester and used the Matrix to power it. While it charged, he demonstrated his considerable power by destroying the attacking military forces with telekinesis, but a super-powered Optimus Prime, now fused with [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]], destroyed the harvester. After a short but intense battle, Optimus ripped off The Fallen's face and killed him.{{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}
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==Games==
===''Revenge of the Fallen: The Game''===
:''Voice actor:'' [[James Arnold Taylor]]

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==Toys==
===Titanium Series===
[[Image:Thefallentitanium.JPG|right|thumb|300px|Hey, Stegmutt! Mister The Fallen is ON FIRE!]]
*'''Fallen''' (6-inch Cybertron Heroes, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Display stand
: Instead of being based on his comic appearance, the Fallen toy is loosely based on [[Don Figueroa]]'s design for pre-[[Earth]] [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] as seen in ''[[Infiltration]]'' and ''[[Stormbringer (comics)|Stormbringer]]'', though obviously with The Fallen's head and deco. He transforms into a Cybertronic tank. Sadly his tank form doesn't hold together well, nor does he have actual hands, just blocks with holes in them. His side-mounted cannons can peg into his forearms in robot mode, or be held in his fists. He wears a faction symbol of his own effigy. So far, The Fallen is, by a fraction of an inch, the tallest (and the bulkiest) of the 6" Titanium Series figures.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Unicron/TheFallen/thefallen.htm More information on The Fallen at TFU.info]''

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===Revenge of the Fallen===
====Legends Class====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenLegends.jpg|right|thumb|300px|''*high-pitched helium voice*'' "I am the Faaallllleeeen!"]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Legends, 2009)
:Part of wave 3 of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends Class toys, The Fallen transforms from robot mode to a Cybertronian Destroyer.

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[[Image:ROTF_Legends_TheFallen_Lawson.jpg|thumb|300px|What, how dare they make me so small?! I was worshipped as a ''GOD!'']]
*'''Soundwave / EZ Collection The Fallen''' (2009)
:Available exclusively at the Lawson's convenience store in Japan (and the only way to obtain this figure in via TakaraTomy), this version of Legends class The Fallen has more paint applications than the Hasbro release. The Deluxe-class Preview Soundwave it comes with is unchanged from the regular release. Preorders opened on [[May 1]]st and close on [[June 30]]th, and the figure itself ships on [[October 16]]th.

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====Voyager Class====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenVoyager.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Smokin'!]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Voyager, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RD-10'''

:Part of wave two of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Voyager Class figures, The Fallen transforms from a robot into a "Cybertronian Destroyer" mode. The robot mode features several "slide-out energy absorption panels" on his head and arms which can either be deployed or hidden. In addition to that [[Mech Alive]] feature, his feet are spring-actioned so that when the toy is not standing on a surface (in other words, in jet mode), the toes ball up together. Setting the robot back down on a flat surface will splay the toes open again.

:There are rubbery connectors that attach his arms to his torso that increase accuracy to his visual portrayal in the live-action film, but this restricts his arm movement severely.

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[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenVoyagerorange.jpg|right|thumb|250px|CAUTION: HOT]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Voyager, 2009)

:A Target-[[exclusive]] redeco of The Fallen in a black and translucent orange colour scheme, both to homage the Fallen's original appearance in the Generation 1 continuity and presumably to show him being "on fire".
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*'''Gathering at Nemesis''' (Toys "R" Us-exclusive box set, 2009)
: This version of The Fallen comes with a silver Voyager Class Megatron from the first movie toyline and a ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Soundwave [[redeco]]ed in predominantly blue as an homage to the original Soundwave. It is unknown at this time if this The Fallen will have color differences.
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====Robot Replicas====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenRobotReplica.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Yes! We come from France!]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Robot Replica, 2009)
:This nonconvertible figurine of The Fallen boasts several points of articulation, a faithful replication of the robot mode, and little else.
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==Merchandise==
===7-11 Slurpee tie-in merchandise===
[[Image:ROTFmerchandise-TheFallenstraw.jpg|right|thumb|150px|''Great'' Transformers tie-in merchandise or the ''greatest'' Transformers tie-in merchandise?]]
*'''The Fallen'''
: The Fallen will help you uncreate your Slurpee with this Slurpee straw topper figurine! Comes attached to a straw in a baggie and is available at your local 7-11 while supplies last!
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===Burger King===
[[Image:ROTFmerchandise-BurgerKingTheFallen.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Flame grilled to perfection]]
*'''The Fallen Flip-Out''' (2009)
:An embossed [[Giant Decepticon insignia|plastic Decepticon insignia]], which flips up into a flat representation of The Fallen with some shoulder articulation. The Fallen, naturally, has flames behind him.
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===Robot Heroes===
[[Image:Robotheroesmegatronfallenprimejetfireironhide.jpg|300px|thumb|right|Whoa, who ordered the extra-large The Fallen?]]
*'''Battle for the Fallen''' (box set, 2009)
:This ''[[Robot Heroes]]'' box set of figures comes with The Fallen, Megatron (tank mode), Optimus Prime and [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] combined, and [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] (truck mode). He is twice as large as a regular ''Robot Heroes'' figure, and has simple swivel joints in his arms.

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==Notes==
[[Image:Fallenpatlee.jpg|right|thumb|150px|I'm The Fallen, and I can't get up!]]

* The Fallen design was created by [[Pat Lee]], his first (and only) original Transformers character. ([[Simon Furman]] created the concept, see next item.) The early design concept not only lacked The Fallen's characteristic mouthplate, but differed incredibly from the final product. Envisioned as a medieval, ancient-looking Transformer, he glowed like a furnace, though he was not depicted as being perpetually on fire until [[Andrew Wildman]] penciled his appearances in ''[[The Dark Ages]]'' and the colorists caught on.

* The Fallen was also used to recycle some of Simon Furman's unused [[Last Autobot]] plans.[http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~sstoneb/tf/tidbits/otfcc2004.txt]

*When questioned about him constantly being aflame, ''War Within'' writer Simon Furman stated that The Fallen is always on fire "because it looks cool".

[[Image:Thefallentank.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The Judasmobile.]]
*The Fallen's Dreamwave comics [[altmode]], a tank, though designed, was never used in-fiction. Similarly, the Fallen is said to have ''no'' alternate mode in IDW comics, while in the film it is only glimpsed whenever he teleports.

*Very little of The Fallen's backstory was given in his first fictional appearances, leaving much of ''The Dark Ages'' somewhat confusing on its own. Helpful inserts from the ''More Than Meets the Eye'' profile books and DK's ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'', published around the same time, spelled out more. Eventually, the packaging profile printed on his Titanium figure gave the rest. Oh, and then years later, he was the titular villain of a summer blockbuster film.

* The proper treatment of his name, with its capital-T "The", is established both in the comics and the ''Ultimate Guide''. The one dissenting source is his on-package [[bio]], which simply calls him "'''Fallen'''" (as in, "'''Fallen''' forgot his real name long ago"). The reason for this awkward treatment is unknown, though the usual culprits behind toy-name oddities are [[trademark]] issues.

* The Fallen can speak Spanish. ''"Estoy en fuego!"''<ref>Fanclub-exclusive Mini Mayhem strip, March 19, 2007</ref>

* During San Diego Comic-Con 2008, in an interview on July 25th, [[Simon Furman]] claimed that ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]'' would feature a character called the Fallen, which was a character they created for Dreamwave's ''The War Within: The Dark Ages''.<ref>[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17412 Simon Furman confirms The Fallen is a character in an interview with Comic Book Resources (Fallen details removed)]</ref> Three days later, [[IDW Publishing]] writer [[Chris Mowry]] corroborated the claim in an interview with MTV Splash Page, calling "The Fallen" the main villain of the film.<ref>[http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/07/28/exclusive-transformers-2-prequel-comic-gives-inside-scoop-on-2009-movie/ MTV Splash Page interviews Chris Mowry (Fallen details removed)]</ref> Less than a week after this, however, [[Michael Bay]] reiterated that everything leaked thus far is part of their misinformation campaign and that only a handful of people involved with the production of ''Revenge'' have seen the script, contradicting IDW's interviews where their representatives confirm that they have the script.<ref>[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44729&postcount=2 A post made by Michael Bay on his forum]</ref> Curiously, on August 5th 2008, after a fan posted on Michael Bay's forum pointing out the contradiction, all references to The Fallen were removed from the aforementioned interviews, as well as any references to IDW Publishing having the script.

* In Titan ''Transformers Comic'' [[Aftermath Part 2]], the newly-ascendant [[President of the United States]] is named [[Theodore Allen|'''The'''odore '''F. Allen''']]. It remains to be seen if the wordplay has any significance beyond the fact that he is under Decepticon [[Cerebro-strip|mind-control]].

* Just as was the case with his other previous fictional appearances, the Fallen does not actually transform in the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie. Additionally, no toy or merchandise item includes the telekinetic / anti-gravity staff that was The Fallen's primary weapon in the film.

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The Fallen

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[[Image:TheFallen_ROTF-AdaptationComic.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Not even the comic panel can contain him!]]

If the [[Thirteen original Transformers|first Transformers]] were [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s disciples, then '''The Fallen''' is its Judas. At the dawn of time, he was a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]], one of a brotherhood of vastly powerful beings dedicated to the well-being of their world. But The Fallen, whose original name has long since been forgotten, would gain his moniker by turning against his brothers and his purpose to pursue his own ends. His frightening form is a metal cage for primal, burning forces of [[Unicron|chaos]], giving him the appearance of a living furnace. These cauldron-like forces purged him of what empathy and morality remained.

The Fallen is immensely powerful. He commands , entropic arts, and when at full strength he can un-make creation at his focused will. He is rarely defeated; at best he is contained, where he waits with eternal patience for the chance to unleash his dark powers once again. Though he has often been imprisoned between dimensions, this rarely lasts. The Fallen can open [[space bridge]]s and travel between dimensions, though he mostly uses this power to teleport short distances. Because of this ability, The Fallen has seen many universes. In several, he is the originator of the [[Decepticon]]s, the catalyst that prompted [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] to claim power for himself rather than the greater good.

If there is any reprieve, it is that there is only one of him. Like his brothers, The Fallen is a [[multiversal singularity]], meaning that in all of the vast [[Continuity|multiverse]], he has no alternate-universe doppelganger. But while the the exact details of his past are hard to reconcile, two things remain consistent: He is bad news, and he's on fire.

==Origins==
As explained in more detail below, The Fallen has been given different origin stories that may be at odds with each other. His ''[[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]]'' portrayal, wrapped in the [[Primus]]/[[Unicron]] mythology, presents him as having been created by Primus to oversee the orderly process of entropy throughout the universe. Fascinated by the idea of cosmic destruction, The Fallen fell under the sway of the ultimate destroyer, Unicron, and he tried to help his new master by sabotaging Primus's bodily form, Cybertron. This failed, and when Unicron lost the battle against Primus, both he and The Fallen were banished to another dimension. From then on, The Fallen craved only the release of his master and the ultimate death of the universe.

This cosmology is reinforced by The Fallen's brief [[Unicron Trilogy]] appearance, where he is seen among the other 13 original Transformers, some of whom are known to have also survived to the present day.

However, his ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' portrayal lacks the Primus/Unicron element; the only creative power is the [[All Spark]], a far more impersonal entity. The Fallen and his fellow "Primes," who were not actually "Transformers" per se, had one mission: to recharge the All Spark by siphoning solar energy. The Fallen's crimes were that he wanted all of that energy for himself, and he was willing to sacrifice an inhabited world (Earth) to do it. His brother Primes did stop him, but at the cost of their own lives. Despite (or perhaps because of) their deaths, they were able to imprison The Fallen in another dimension, from whence he plots and schemes his escape.

So, while similar in form, The Fallen's stories disagree in many details. The ''Revenge of the Fallen'' universe is still being fleshed out, so perhaps future information will clarify the questionable areas.

==Fiction==
===''Generation 1''===
====Dreamwave comics continuity====

[[Image:Thefallenseeksfour.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Hey, The Fallen, ever heard of Tums?]]
When Primus and Unicron first battled as planets, Primus created the first 13 Transformers to assist him in planet mode. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}} The Fallen's original purpose as one of the 13 was to oversee entropy, the orderly dissolution of all things in preparation for the next creation. But the concept of destruction fascinated him too much, and he lost sight of the goal of rebirth and the necessity of restraint. His investigations into the dark sciences led him to Unicron, to whom he gave himself. <ref>[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/toys/titanium/the-fallen/1126/2/9/ Fallen's ''Titanium Series'' on-package bio]</ref> Corrupted by Unicron, the Fallen then tried to sabotage his creator's body. This attempt ended in failure, and "The Fallen" fled to his master, but there was little refuge to be found: They were both sucked into a [[black hole]]. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}}

Approximately 7 million years before the 21st century, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] were lost in a [[space bridge]] accident. This accident weakened the barrier between reality and the dimension in which The Fallen was trapped, allowing The Fallen to eventually break free and return to Cybertron.

[[Image:Thefallen.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Ah, you know it's funny, these people, they go to sleep, they think everything's fine, everything's good... They wake up the next day and they're on fire.]]

The Fallen immediately set about initiating the "[[Unbinding]]", an event which required four particular Transformers, who would function as "angles in the geometry of dissolution". To help him round up the required Transformers, the Fallen recruited a [[Chaos Trinity|trio of Decepticon outcasts]], [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], [[Mindwipe]], and [[Bugly]], who hungered for a command of the . The Fallen promised them all manner of dark powers in exchange for serving him. Leading his three followers to a hidden room within Cybertron, he named [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] as the first of the angles to be gathered. {{storylink|Fragmentation}}

The Fallen and company proceeded to construct a strange machine within the [[Well of All Sparks]] in preparation for the Unbinding. Unfortunately, Bludgeon and friends got impatient for more than The Fallen's praise and demanded a more tangible reward: the arcane power he had promised them. The Fallen responded by grabbing Bludgeon’s head and giving him a mere glimpse of what he sought: images of a fiery vortex, demonic faces, stabbing swords and a human skull engulfed Bludgeon. The Fallen stated that this was but a peek inside a dark door he would fully open if they served him well. This left Bludgeon suitably inspired to begin hunting down their targets.

[[Image:Thefallengrimlock.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Someone should tell Grimlock this more often.]]

Bugly and Mindwipe leaked information to draw the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] out into combat with [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], while Bludgeon hatched a p snare both Grimlock and[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]. {{storylink|Escalation (IDW)|Escalation}} Bludgeon, Bugly, and Mindwipe ambushed Jetfire as he attempted a cross-faction meeting with [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. When Grimlock crashed the party earlier than they expected, however, The Fallen himself had to intervene and caught Grimlock’s blazing energo-sword in his bare hand. {{storylink|Revelation (The Dark Ages)|Revelation}}

Grimlock took one punch from The Fallen yet still got back up, so The Fallen grabbed him by the shoulders and unleashed a huge blast of energy that put the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] leader out cold. He dragged Grimlock and Jetfire away and commanded his followers to gather the third angle while he handled the fourth. The Fallen singlehandedly abducted [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] from his well-guarded holding cell in Autobot headquarters, shrugging off attacks by some of the Autobots' best warriors and causing their weapons to corrode away into uselessness with a mere gesture. Bludgeon's team, meanwhile, succeeded in acquiring [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]] from the Protectobots.

[[Image:Fallenmoreonfire.jpg|right|thumb|250px|The Fallen somehow sets himself ''more on fire''.]]

All four angles were strapped to the device in the Well of All Sparks. Launching into full B-movie villain mode, The Fallen theatrically monologued to the awakening Jetfire that they were casualties in the war of the Gods, and would be used to break the Seal of Primus, after which "all chaos will follow". {{storylink|Confrontation (issue)|Confrontation}}

The Fallen continued his villainous monologue, apparently directing it not at Jetfire but at Primus himself, as the four Transformers' unique sparks were drained to unlock the Seal of Primus. A combined army of forces from several factions defeated the Chaos Trinity and penetrated The Fallen's operation, while Jetfire arranged a force-field to contain the energy of Primus. The God of Light himself was subsequently roused from his slumber; with a gesture of his radiant hand, he engulfed his wayward creation in a torrent of searing energy that was then sucked back into the Seal of Primus. {{storylink|Conflagration}}
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===Unicron Trilogy===
====''Cybertron'' comic====
[[Image:Vectorprimeut.jpg|thumb|140px|Back, and to the left.]]
[[Vector Prime]]'s reminiscences of his mission and history included standing with his fellow 13 original Transformers, The Fallen's silhouette visible in their ranks. {{storylink|Vector Prime: In the Beginning}}

{{note|This story and comments by [[Hasbro]] copy-writer [[Forest Lee]] are the basis of the notion that The Fallen, Vector Prime, and the other original 13 are singular entities with no duplicates throughout the multiverse. This was reiterated at [[BotCon 2009]], even in the face of the upcoming ''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie. Brave men these Hasbro writers be!}}
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===Live-action film series===
====IDW ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics====
[[Image:Defianceissue4-creation.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Look [[Prima|familiar]]?]]

According to what The Fallen told [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] as part of the latter's recruitment, The Fallen and his brothers were the first creations of the [[All Spark]]. The planet that would become [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] was mostly barren, but as the All Spark gradually shaped Cybertron around them and gave The Fallen and his brothers power beyond measure, the All Spark became depleted. They learned that the its power could be replenished by harvesting the energy of stars, but they were unable to locate new stars to suit their purposes, despite their amazing ability to travel between dimensions using triangular "sarcophagi."

A breakthrough came when the All Spark created for them [[Transformer|workers]] that had a power of their own: They could change their forms! Some, called "[[Seeker (body-type)|seeker]]s," could even change into interstellar crafts that could locate suns for them. But as the workers built a [[Solar Harvester|solar harvester]] on [[Earth]] to gather this solar energy, The Fallen wondered evil thoughts. What if only one harvested the energy? What if the power was his alone?

The Fallen betrayed his brothers. To erase their existence, he destroyed their sarcophagi, in which their life forces were stored. But this drained him of almost all his energy, and while he was weak, the brothers he thought he had killed... acted. They sacrificed themselves to trap him in a fiery dimension within his own sarcophagus, while the harvester on Earth was covered by the [[Human|natives]] with a pyramid. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}

[[Image:Defiance4_Megatron_TheFallen.jpg|thumb|300px|All right, who changed the thermostat!?]]

Knowledge of this was lost through the ages, and eons later, a mysterious pylon was found buried on Cybertron by modern-day Transformers and delivered to Megatron's private quarters. Unbeknownst to them all, this was the sarcophagus of The Fallen, and upon activation, it healed the grievously-wounded Cybertronian military leader and established contact between him and its prisoner. Filled with a new resolve to destroy those who sought out the All Spark, Megatron's optics were tinted red by the encounter. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 2}} In the aftermath of Megatron's ruthless battle against a band of aliens seeking the All Spark, The Fallen further counseled him to seize control of Cybertron to make way for The Fallen's return. He also told him that [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] sought the All Spark for himself, and Megatron immediately decided that Optimus and his followers deserved to be killed for this transgression. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 3}}

But simply taking the planet would not be enough. The Fallen also ordered Megatron to build a [[Nemesis ( )| pace cruiser]] to seek out the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]], which he said was a prerequisite to his return. As the ship's construction came to an end, The Fallen told Megatron the story of his origin (recounted above) and his plans regarding the harvester on Earth. The Fallen ordered Megatron to put his sarcophagus on the ship and then stay behind to fight Optimus's forces and safeguard the All Spark. [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] and a majority of the Decepticon soldiers crewed the ship, which ended up crashing on some barren world under unknown circumstances.

Meanwhile on Cybertron, civil war raged between Optimus's Autobots and Megatron's Decepticons, a war which eventually led to the All Spark being launched into space. As Megatron alone pursued the hurtling cube, he picked up a distress signal from the ''Nemesis.'' He found the crashed ship and within it the still-intact sarcophagus. He once again spoke with The Fallen, who was furious that Megatron had taken this detour from his pursuit of the All Spark. He ordered him to resume the chase immediately, confident that it would guide itself to the harvester. Megatron obeyed, leaving the sarcophagus in the barren wreckage. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}
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====''I Can Read'' storybook continuity====
[[Image:TheFallen-RiseoftheDecepticons.jpg|left|thumb|200px|I can has face?]]
[[Image:TheFallen-thrownintospace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Maybe Prime doesn't want your stupid face!]]
The Fallen is the most powerful and evil of Decepticons, but he has been asleep for ages. But now he's woken up, and he has designs on Earth! Will he and Megatron be too powerful to defeat? {{storylink|Rise of the Decepticons}}

The Fallen flies towards Earth. Since he feeds on energy, he is more powerful than even Megatron! He plans to absorb the energy of Earth's Sun.

Thankfully, Optimus Prime and his Autobots are here to stop him. Ultimately, The Fallen is thrown through a portal leading into outer space. {{storylink|I Am Optimus Prime (ROTF)|I Am Optimus Prime}}
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====DK ''Transformers: The Movie Universe'' book====
The original Transformers, all of them Primes, were united by a directive that safeguarded all life, and as such they refused to utilize the harvester on the inhabited Earth. One of their number, however, decided "I want Energon!" and slaughtered his brothers so he could harvest the Sun. He threw away his original name became the Fallen. In the end, he slaughtered all of his brethren, but they were still able to imprison him in a pocket dimension and save the Earth. In the process, his appearance had changed to a terrifying, cage-like exostructure burning with chaotic energies from the universe's creation, forces that had purged him of all morality. Since his body was never meant to contain the unholy power flowing through it, he had to steadily vent that energy to ensure his own continued existence. This created the visual effect of a constant fiery nimbus.

While effectively harmless to the universe outside his prison, his powers remained vast: He could generate space bridges spontaneously, as well as focus his energies into discrete blasts that could unmake creation itself. Were he ever able to escape, he would be a supremely powerful danger. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe|The Movie Universe}}

====Titan Magazines ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics====

[[Image:Titan1_FallenStarscream.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Behold my <strike>resting</strike> mighty hand!]]

The sinister figure of the Fallen made contact with [[Starscream ( )| tarscream]] soon after Megatron's death, using him to organise the Decepticon army and lay the groundwork for his return, his... revenge! He ordered Starscream and his forces to go to Cybertron and await further instruction, and promised that once the Matrix was found, [[Earth]] would ''burn''! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.1|Training Day}}

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====''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Tony Todd]] (English), [[Banjō Ginga]] (Japanese)
{{spoiler|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|July 24, 2009}}

Nineteen thousand years ago, The Fallen went against the wishes of [[Seven Primes|his brother Primes]] and tried to harvest the sun of an inhabited planet, [[Earth]]. However, The Fallen was defeated and the remaining Primes hid themselves and the [[Matrix of Leadership]], and The Fallen's [[solar harvester]] was concealed within a pyramid in [[Egypt]]. The Fallen became known as the first [[Decepticon]], and he became the master of [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], leader of the faction. He employed Megatron in the pursuit of the [[All Spark]], but after Megatron's defeat at [[Mission City]], the All Spark was reduced to a mere fragment.

[[Image:ROTFteaser2_firerobot.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Not shown: all the Autobots yet to be composited into this shot.]]

Upon Megatron's revival he traveled to the ''[[Nemesis (ROTF)|Nemesis]]'', currently lying wrecked on one of [[Saturn]]'s moons, and prostrated himself before the Fallen. His master revealed the true nature of the All Spark and its continued survival within the human, [[Sam Witwicky]]. The Fallen also explained that the only threat to him was the last surviving [[Prime (ROTF)|Prime]], [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]]. He ordered Megatron to use the boy to draw Prime out.

{{note|The [[Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|novel adaptation]] identifies the location of the Nemesis as a planet orbiting a cooling star no longer able to give light or life.}}

With the death of the last remaining Prime, The Fallen made his move. He and several other Decepticons traveled to the Earth's surface in [[transition form|re-entry mode]]s, destroying an [[United States Navy#U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71)|aircraft carrier]] as well as attacking several cities. The Fallen tapped into Earth's communication network, and announced the presence of the Transformers on Earth on worldwide television, demanding the "human hive" hand over Sam.

Unfortunately, Sam was in Egypt hunting for the [[Matrix of Leadership]] after being told it might be able to revive Optimus. He succeeded, but moments after Prime's resurrection, The Fallen appeared amongst the assorted NEST troops, pinning Optimus and stealing the Matrix. He then teleported to the now uncovered harvester and used the Matrix to power it. While it charged, he demonstrated his considerable power by destroying the attacking military forces with telekinesis, but a super-powered Optimus Prime, now fused with [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]], destroyed the harvester. After a short but intense battle, Optimus ripped off The Fallen's face and killed him by punching through his abdomen, as a wounded Megatron watched in horror.{{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

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==Games==
===''Revenge of the Fallen: The Game''===
:''Voice actor:'' [[James Arnold Taylor]]

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==Toys==
===Titanium Series===
[[Image:Thefallentitanium.JPG|right|thumb|300px|Hey, Stegmutt! Mister The Fallen is ON FIRE!]]
*'''Fallen''' (6-inch Cybertron Heroes, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Display stand
: Instead of being based on his comic appearance, the Fallen toy is loosely based on [[Don Figueroa]]'s design for pre-[[Earth]] [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] as seen in ''[[Infiltration]]'' and ''[[Stormbringer (comics)|Stormbringer]]'', though obviously with The Fallen's head and deco. He transforms into a Cybertronic tank. Sadly his tank form doesn't hold together well, nor does he have actual hands, just blocks with holes in them. His side-mounted cannons can peg into his forearms in robot mode, or be held in his fists. He wears a faction symbol of his own effigy. So far, The Fallen is, by a fraction of an inch, the tallest (and the bulkiest) of the 6" Titanium Series figures.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Unicron/TheFallen/thefallen.htm More information on The Fallen at TFU.info]''

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===Revenge of the Fallen===
====Legends Class====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenLegends.jpg|right|thumb|300px|''*high-pitched helium voice*'' "I am the Faaallllleeeen!"]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Legends, 2009)
:Part of wave 3 of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends Class toys, The Fallen transforms from robot mode to a Cybertronian Destroyer.

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[[Image:ROTF_Legends_TheFallen_Lawson.jpg|thumb|300px|What, how dare they make me so small?! I was worshipped as a ''GOD!'']]
*'''Soundwave / EZ Collection The Fallen''' (2009)
:Available exclusively at the Lawson's convenience store in Japan (and the only way to obtain this figure in via TakaraTomy), this version of Legends class The Fallen has more paint applications than the Hasbro release. The Deluxe-class Preview Soundwave it comes with is unchanged from the regular release. Preorders opened on [[May 1]]st and close on [[June 30]]th, and the figure itself ships on [[October 16]]th.

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====Voyager Class====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenVoyager.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Smokin'!]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Voyager, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RD-10'''

:Part of wave two of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Voyager Class figures, The Fallen transforms from a robot into a "Cybertronian Destroyer" mode. The robot mode features several "slide-out energy absorption panels" on his head and arms which can either be deployed or hidden. In addition to that [[Mech Alive]] feature, his feet are spring-actioned so that when the toy is not standing on a surface (in other words, in jet mode), the toes ball up together. Setting the robot back down on a flat surface will splay the toes open again.

:There are rubbery connectors that attach his arms to his torso that increase accuracy to his visual portrayal in the live-action film, but this restricts his arm movement severely.

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[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenVoyagerorange.jpg|right|thumb|250px|CAUTION: HOT]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Voyager, 2009)

:A Target-[[exclusive]] redeco of The Fallen in a black and translucent orange colour scheme, both to homage the Fallen's original appearance in the Generation 1 continuity and presumably to show him being "on fire".
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*'''Gathering at Nemesis''' (Toys "R" Us-exclusive box set, 2009)
: This version of The Fallen comes with a silver Voyager Class Megatron from the first movie toyline and a ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Soundwave [[redeco]]ed in predominantly blue as an homage to the original Soundwave. It is unknown at this time if this The Fallen will have color differences.
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====Robot Replicas====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenRobotReplica.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Yes! We come from France!]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Robot Replica, 2009)
:This nonconvertible figurine of The Fallen boasts several points of articulation, a faithful replication of the robot mode, and little else.
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==Merchandise==
===7-11 Slurpee tie-in merchandise===
[[Image:ROTFmerchandise-TheFallenstraw.jpg|right|thumb|150px|''Great'' Transformers tie-in merchandise or the ''greatest'' Transformers tie-in merchandise?]]
*'''The Fallen'''
: The Fallen will help you uncreate your Slurpee with this Slurpee straw topper figurine! Comes attached to a straw in a baggie and is available at your local 7-11 while supplies last!
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===Burger King===
[[Image:ROTFmerchandise-BurgerKingTheFallen.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Flame grilled to perfection]]
*'''The Fallen Flip-Out''' (2009)
:An embossed [[Giant Decepticon insignia|plastic Decepticon insignia]], which flips up into a flat representation of The Fallen with some shoulder articulation. The Fallen, naturally, has flames behind him.
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===Robot Heroes===
[[Image:Robotheroesmegatronfallenprimejetfireironhide.jpg|300px|thumb|right|Whoa, who ordered the extra-large The Fallen?]]
*'''Battle for the Fallen''' (box set, 2009)
:This ''[[Robot Heroes]]'' box set of figures comes with The Fallen, Megatron (tank mode), Optimus Prime and [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] combined, and [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] (truck mode). He is twice as large as a regular ''Robot Heroes'' figure, and has simple swivel joints in his arms.

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==Notes==
[[Image:Fallenpatlee.jpg|right|thumb|150px|I'm The Fallen, and I can't get up!]]

* The Fallen design was created by [[Pat Lee]], his first (and only) original Transformers character. ([[Simon Furman]] created the concept, see next item.) The early design concept not only lacked The Fallen's characteristic mouthplate, but differed incredibly from the final product. Envisioned as a medieval, ancient-looking Transformer, he glowed like a furnace, though he was not depicted as being perpetually on fire until [[Andrew Wildman]] penciled his appearances in ''[[The Dark Ages]]'' and the colorists caught on.

* The Fallen was also used to recycle some of Simon Furman's unused [[Last Autobot]] plans.[http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~sstoneb/tf/tidbits/otfcc2004.txt]

*When questioned about him constantly being aflame, ''War Within'' writer Simon Furman stated that The Fallen is always on fire "because it looks cool".

[[Image:Thefallentank.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The Judasmobile.]]
*The Fallen's Dreamwave comics [[altmode]], a tank, though designed, was never used in-fiction. Similarly, the Fallen is said to have ''no'' alternate mode in IDW comics, while in the film it is only glimpsed whenever he teleports.

*Very little of The Fallen's backstory was given in his first fictional appearances, leaving much of ''The Dark Ages'' somewhat confusing on its own. Helpful inserts from the ''More Than Meets the Eye'' profile books and DK's ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'', published around the same time, spelled out more. Eventually, the packaging profile printed on his Titanium figure gave the rest. Oh, and then years later, he was the titular villain of a summer blockbuster film.

* The proper treatment of his name, with its capital-T "The", is established both in the comics and the ''Ultimate Guide''. The one dissenting source is his on-package [[bio]], which simply calls him "'''Fallen'''" (as in, "'''Fallen''' forgot his real name long ago"). The reason for this awkward treatment is unknown, though the usual culprits behind toy-name oddities ar [[ mark]] issues.

* The Fallen can speak Spanish. ''"Estoy en fuego!"''<ref>Fanclub-exclusive Mini Mayhem strip, March 19, 2007</ref>

* During San Diego Comic-Con 2008, in an interview on July 25th, [[Simon Furman]] claimed that ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]'' would feature a character called the Fallen, which was a character they created for Dreamwave's ''The War Within: The Dark Ages''.<ref>[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17412 Simon Furman confirms The Fallen is a character in an interview with Comic Book Resources (Fallen details removed)]</ref> Three days later, [[IDW Publishing]] writer [[Chris Mowry]] corroborated the claim in an interview with MTV Splash Page, calling "The Fallen" the main villain of the film.<ref>[http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/07/28/exclusive-transformers-2-prequel-comic-gives-inside-scoop-on-2009-movie/ MTV Splash Page interviews Chris Mowry (Fallen details removed)]</ref> Less than a week after this, however, [[Michael Bay]] reiterated that everything leaked thus far is part of their misinformation campaign and that only a handful of people involved with the production of ''Revenge'' have seen the script, contradicting IDW's interviews where their representatives confirm that they have the script.<ref>[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44729&postcount=2 A post made by Michael Bay on his forum]</ref> Curiously, on August 5th 2008, after a fan posted on Michael Bay's forum pointing out the contradiction, all references to The Fallen were removed from the aforementioned interviews, as well as any references to IDW Publishing having the script.

* In Titan ''Transformers Comic'' [[Aftermath Part 2]], the newly-ascendant [[President of the United States]] is named [[Theodore Allen|'''The'''odore '''F. Allen''']]. It remains to be seen if the wordplay has any significance beyond the fact that he is under Decepticon [[Cerebro-strip|mind-control]].

* Just as was the case with his other previous fictional appearances, the Fallen does not actually transform in the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie. Additionally, no toy or merchandise item includes the telekinetic / anti-gravity staff that was The Fallen's primary weapon in the film.

==References==
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Thirteen

2009-07-01T15:06:24Z

Boba Fett: /* Live-action movie franchise */

[[Image:Original13.jpg|center|500px|thumb|Guess the one on fire!]]
{{quote|We are the 13, the first, the forgotten, each of us serving a function vital to the survival of the universe. Each of us designated a Prime and given a function to serve during the long march of infinity.|Vector Prime|"[[Vector Prime: In the Beginning]]"}}

When [[Primus]] first created [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], he created a crew of '''thirteen living robotic beings''' to man him. These beings, in imitation of [[Unicron]]'s transformation abilities, were able to change their forms into the likeness of vehicles, weapons, and machinery. They were the first Transformers and all "[[Prime (rank)|Primes]]". Many of the thirteen died in a cataclysmic first battle with Unicron, where he was sucked down into a black hole and trapped along with his acolyte known as [[The Fallen]], one of the thirteen who had turned against his brothers and joined Unicron. Of those that survived, many abandoned their original functions and were lost to time. Only [[Vector Prime]] was known to still be following the path he was set upon by Primus.

==The thirteen==
[[Image:Vectorprimeut.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Vector Prime steps forward from the First Thirteen Tabernacle Choir with a heartfelt solo.]]
The identities of most of the thirteen remain shrouded in mystery.

'''Confirmed members are:'''
*[[Prima]], the first [[Matrix|Matrix-bearer]] and first Transformer born from Cybertron, leader of the 13.<ref><tt>Sentinel Prime was one of a dynasty of Primes, stretching back to the original '''13 Transformers''' and their leader, Prima.</tt> — ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' (2005) 1st ed p15, "Sentinel Prime"</ref>
*"[[The Fallen]]" (original name unknown), the guardian of entropy.
*[[Vector Prime]], the guardian of space and time.
*Logos Prime, also known as [[Soundblaster (Cybertron)|Soundblaster]]. The ''Beast Wars Reborn'' text story establishes Soundblaster as an "[[Ancients|Ancient]]", equal with Vector Prime. There is also a silhouette resembling him in the image from the ''[[World of Transformers]]'' web site, found at the top of this article.
*[[Nexus Maximus]], the guardian of the multiverse's [[Rarified Energon]], capable of splitting into 5 smaller robots:
**[[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]]
**[[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]]
**[[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]]
**[[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]]
**[[Heatwave]]

'''Possible members are:'''
*The Liege Maximo; he was confirmed in [[Simon Furman]]'s "[[Alignment]]" story as one of the first thirteen, but that story was "unofficial" and of debatable canonicity.
*[[Maccadam]]; rumor on Cybertron says that he is one of the thirteen and that his bar exists outside regular space-time, linking all realities, though sometimes this rumor is chalked up to the imaginations of the bar's drunken patrons. The story "[[Prime Spark]]" from the ''[[Transformers Legends]]'' anthology confirms half of this rumor, portraying the bar as a multiversal nexus of sorts, though not making any specific revelations about Maccadam himself. The anthology labels all its stories as not being part of mainstream continuity, so its revelations [[author intent|could be viewed]] as irrelevant.
*The [[Last Autobot]]; according to the words he spoke "Since Cybertron's Creation, I have slumbered within the planet, awaiting a time long foreseen by your creator, Primus", it can be inferred that he might be one of the thirteen.

Numerous other very ancient Transformers exist—[[Boltax]], steward of the [[Underbase]], and the [[Keeper (Transformer)|Keeper]], protector of the slumbering Primus—but none have been included in the ranks of the thirteen.

==Functions==
Aside from their base functions as "crew" for Primus's planet form and their duty to battle Unicron, the quote above hints that each was given another charge. Three of the four known members of the thirteen were also charged with protecting specific aspects of the multiverse. It is possible, but unconfirmed, that each of the other ten might also have originally had an assigned role as guardian to some aspect of reality.

Vector Prime was tasked with overseeing the space and time continuum. The Prime who would eventually become the Fallen was tasked with overseeing the process of entropy. Nexus Maximus was tasked with overseeing the [[multiverse]]'s Rarified Energon.

==Multiversal singularities==
The original thirteen are [[Multiversal singularity|multiversal singularities]] like Primus and Unicron, with each character spanning the whole multiverse. For example, though The Fallen originated from the Dreamwave Generation 1 continuity, there is one of him in whatever universe Vector Prime, a [[Unicron Trilogy]] character, originated. Vector Prime's stewardship of Primus's children throughout multiple timelines and universes certainly lends credence to it as well.

==Live-action movie franchise==
===IDW ''Transformers'' movie comics===
{{note|This information was given by the Fallen and clashes with the above multiversal singularity origin.}}
[[Image:Defianceissue4-creation.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The Thirteen being created.]]
A race of beings that included the Fallen were the first creations of the [[All Spark]]. They were extremely powerful and able to travel across dimensions. The Allspark then created the [[Transformer]]s to seek out stars that could replenish itself. With their descendants, they formed the [[Dynasty of Primes]], protecting Cybertron and the All Spark. The Fallen decided he wanted the Allspark's power for himself, and so slew the rest of his brothers...but they trapped him within a sarcophagus in the process. A long time passed, and he was eventually dug up. From his prison, he then pushed [[Megatron (Movie)|High Protector Megatron]] into forming the Decepticons. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}

===DK Transformers: The Movie Universe book===
{{note|This origin information was given by Simon Furman and '''also''' clashes with the above multiversal singularity origin.}}
The All Spark created "the Primes". One of their number, however, fought the other twelve as he prepared to harvest the power of [[Earth]]'s sun. In the end, he slaughtered all of his brethren, but they were still able to imprison this Fallen being in a pocket dimension and save the Earth. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe|The Movie Universe}}

===''Revenge of the Fallen''===
{{note|The ROTF adaptations have thirteen Primes. The film itself has only seven instead.}}
::''See [[Seven Primes]]''

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==Trivia==
*IDW comics talked repeatedly about a planned/potential miniseries telling the story of the Thirteen. What similarity this new telling would have to the previous original thirteen stories is unknown. Hasbro became quite involved, and Simon Furman stated that it "seems pretty likely that Vector Prime will be amongst the 13, the Liege Maximo too, and possibly Alpha Trion. But nothing’s set in stone here yet." [http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=5032] No release date for this series was ever set. As of Botcon 09, IDW says this series is off their publishing schedule, presumably till further notice.

==References==
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Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)

2009-06-30T17:14:53Z

Boba Fett: /* Errors */ i think it only ripped his head off, leavin ga eye

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'''''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen''''' is the first of two planned sequels to ''[[Transformers (2007)|Transformers]]''. It was released in North America on [[June 24]], 2009.

{{quote|Revenge is mine!|The Fallen, ''[[Revenge of the Fallen]]''}}

:''Japanese title:'' '''''Transformers: Revenge'''''
:''French title:'' '''''Transformers 2: La Revanche''''' (''Transformers 2: The Revenge'')
:''German title:'' '''''Transformers: Die Rache''''' (''Transformers: The Revenge'')
:''Polish title:'' '''''Transformers: Zemsta Upadłych''''' (''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen'', except the word "Fallen" is a plural.)
:''Italian title:'' '''''Transformers 2: La Vendetta del Caduto''''' (''Transformers 2: The Revenge Of The Fallen'')
:''Serbian title:'' '''''Transformers 2: Najveće govno ikada''''' (''Transformers 2: The Revenge Of The Fallen'')
:''Spanish title:'' '''''Transformers: La Venganza de los Caídos''''' (Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, except the word "Fallen" is a plural.)
:''Russian title:'' '''''Transformery: Mest' Padshikh''''', cyrillic: '''''Трансформеры: Месть падших''''' (''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Ones'')

==Main cast==
{{spoiler|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|July 24, 2009}}

{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] ([[Peter Cullen]]) (6)
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] (12)
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] ([[Jess Harnell]]) (4)
*[[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] ([[Robert Foxworth]]) (16)
*[[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] ([[Mark Ryan]]) (37)
*[[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] ([[Grey DeLisle]]) (8)
*[[Chromia (ROTF)|Chromia]] (8)
*[[Purple motorcycle Autobot]] (8)
*[[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] ([[Tom Kenny]]) (10)
*[[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] ([[Reno Wilson]]) (11)
*[[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]] ([[André Sogliuzzo]]) (9)
*[[Jolt (ROTF)|Jolt]] (17)
*[[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]] ([[Tom Kenny]]) (14)

|c2=
*[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] ([[Hugo Weaving]]) (31)
*[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] ([[Charlie Adler]]) (32)
*[[The Fallen]] ([[Tony Todd]]) (1)
*[[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]] (19)
*[[Alice]] ([[Isabel Lucas]]) (24)
*[[Grindor (ROTF)|Grindor]] (34)
*[[Scalpel]] ([[John Di Crosta]]) (30)
*[[Reedman]] ([[Frank Welker]]) (20)
*[[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]] (7)
*[[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]] (41)
*[[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] ([[Frank Welker]]) (15)
*A [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]] lookalike (42)
*[[Decepticon]] protoform army (41)
*[[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicon]]s
**[[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]] ([[Frank Welker]]) (38)
**[[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]] ([[Kevin Michael Richardson]]) (25)
**[[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]] (26)
**[[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]] (27)
**[[Scrapper (ROTF)|Scrapper]] (28)
**[[Hightower (ROTF)|Hightower]] (29)
**[[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] ([[Calvin Wimmer]]) (6)
|c3=
*[[Sam Witwicky]] ([[Shia LaBeouf]]) (9)
*[[Mikaela Banes]] ([[Megan Fox]]) (13)
*[[William Lennox]] ([[Josh Duhamel]]) (2)
*[[Robert Epps]] ([[Tyrese Gibson]]) (3)
*[[Leo Spitz]] ([[Ramon Rodriguez]]) (21)
*[[Seymour Simmons]] ([[John Turturro]]) (36)
*[[Theodore Galloway]] ([[John Benjamin Hickey]]) (18)
*[[Judy Witwicky]] ([[Julie White]]) (10)
*[[Ron Witwicky]] ([[Kevin Dunn]]) (11)
*[[General Morshower]] ([[Glenn Morshower]]) (15)
*[[Professor Colan]] ([[Rainn Wilson]]) (33)
*[[Tova Simmons]] ([[Annie Korzen]]) (35)
*[[Fassbinder]] ([[Jonathon Trent]]) (22)
*[[Sharsky]] ([[Walker Howard]]) (23)
}}

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==Short synopsis==
[[Image:ROTFteaserposter.jpg|right|250px|thumb|For dry, red eyes, the difference is clear: Clear Eyes.]]

The Autobots have found a home in "NEST", a secret military unit created to seek out and eliminate the remaining Decepticons. All is not well, however. Unbeknownst to them, Soundwave is in orbit, coordinating the Decepticon counterstrike. After Ravage steals the Allspark shard from NEST, a team of Constructicons and The Doctor journey to the bottom of the ocean and use it revive Megatron. The Decepticon leader journeys to the crashed Nemesis, rebukes Starscream, and meets with his master, The Fallen.

The Fallen explains that he had constructed a Solar Harvester on Earth, in violation of the Primes' code to never harm an inhabited planet. The Primes turned on him, banished and imprisoned him. However the Harvester still stands, and only one Prime remains. If Megatron destroys Optimus Prime, The Fallen will be freed to activate the Harvester, which will kill off the humans and provide the Decepticons with enough energon to raise an army. Megatron eagerly agrees, and returns to Earth with a vengeance.

It transpires that the location of the Harvester is hidden within Sam Witwicky, who absorbed the knowledge from another Allspark fragment. The Decepticons begin an all-out war across the Earth as they hunt down the human, and the Autobots and NEST are blamed for the ensuing carnage. Witwicky goes to ground, and must turn to unlikely allies in the race to find a solution. Ultimately, the last of the Primes defeats The Fallen, destroys the Harvester, and proves the Transformers' greatest power is found in their unexpectedly-ancient alliance with the humans.

==Full synopsis==
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==Quotes==


"Ding-a-ling, come out an' get yo' ice cream. Any bad robot out there better get ready for an ass-whoopin'."
:— '''Skids''' and '''Mudflap''' speaking their first line in the movie as the ice cream truck.

"Sam, fate rarely calls upon us at a moment of our choosing."
:— '''Optimus Prime'''

"Need parts. Kill ze little one!"
:— '''Scalpel''' instructs the Constructicons to kill one of their own, which they so happily oblige.

"Starscream, I'm home!"
:— '''Megatron'''. And the fangirls go wild!

"I know you’re pissed-I know you’re pissed, I tried to kill you, right? It’s totally understandable. I mean, if you tried to kill me, I’d be pissed, too."
:— '''Sam Witwicky''' tries to relate with '''Megatron'''.

"Is the fate of our race not worth one human life?" 
"You'd never stop at just ''one''. '''I'll take you all on!'''"
:— '''Megatron''' tries to justify killing Sam, but '''Optimus Prime''' disapproves based on the potato chip theory. Beatdown ensues.

"What planet am I on?" 
"Earth." 
"''Earth''? Terrible name for a planet. Might as well call it ''Dirt''. Planet Dirt."
:— '''Jetfire''' asks '''Simmons''' where he is, only to have negative thoughts.

"You know what my father was? [[Scrounge|A wheel]]! The first wheel! And you know what he transformed into? NOTHING! But he did so with honor! Dignity!"
:— '''Jetfire''' tells a story.

"Beginning. Middle. End. Facts. Details. Condense. Plot. Tell it."
:— '''Simmons''' demands more coherent exposition from Jetfire.

"Lemme show ya how we brought the pain in ''my'' day!!"
:—'''Jetfire''' enters the fray to show us young whippersnappers how it's ''really'' done.

"One man, alone, abandoned by the country he loves."
:— '''Agent Simmons''' being, well, Agent Simmons as he bravely charges off to lure the Decepticons away.

"GIVE ME YOUR FACE."
:—'''Optimus Prime''' warns The Fallen of his violent fetish.

"Not to call you a coward, master, but, sometimes, cowards do survive."
:— '''Starscream''' pitches his usual battle plan to an unusually receptive Megatron.

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==Production staff==
* Writers [[Roberto Orci]] and [[Alex Kurtzman]] recruited [[Ehren Kruger]] to help them write the screenplay. [[Michael Bay]] and producers [[Don Murphy]], [[Tom DeSanto]], and [[Lorenzo di Bonaventura]] also returned.<ref>[http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6372 Transformers 2 Writers Confirmed]</ref>
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===Visual effects===
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===Locations department===
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==Prequel material==
===Titan Magazines ''Transformers'' movie comics===
While the Decepticons were disgusted with the pro-Autobot propaganda of Bay's first documentary {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 13|#13's Star Screams}}, they're quite optimistic about the second film. [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] has taken a strong interest in it, going to the trouble of personally convincing [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] to be in the film {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 15|15's Star Screams}}.

The Decepticons promise this new documentary will show a glorious Decepticon victory {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 10|#10's Star Screams}} - whether it's in the script or not. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 18|#18's Star Screams}}

Shockingly, even ''they'' are under a non-disclosure agreement regarding the script; Starscream fearfully refers to a greater power keeping him quiet. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 22|#22's Star Screams}} Talking about it could even undermine the Decepticon war effort! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 23|#23's Star Screams}}

In the same week the film came out, the Decepticons suddenly became unhappy with it and the detente period ended. Bay, Kurtzman, and Orci are once again marked for extermination for their propaganda films. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.1|#1's Law and Disorder}}

===IDW ''Transformers'' movie comics===
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==Adaptations==
:''Main article:'' [[Revenge of the Fallen Movie Adaptation]]
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'''Children's adaptations'''
{{main|Revenge of the Fallen: The Junior Novel}}
{{main|The Last Prime}}
{{main|Operation Autobot}}
{{main|When Robots Attack!}}
{{main|I Am Optimus Prime (ROTF)}}
{{main|Rise of the Decepticons}}
{{main|Revenge of the Fallen: Sound Like the Transformers}}

==Sequels==
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==Soundtrack==
:''Main article:'' [[Revenge of the Fallen: The Soundtrack]]

==Score==
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:''Main article:'' [[Revenge of the Fallen: The Score]]
* [[Linkin Park]] and Hans Zimmer worked with Steve Jablonsky on the score of the movie. Linkin Park also wrote a song, called "New Divide". It was one of the theme songs for the movie, and they did several interpretations on that theme. <ref>[http://www.mikeshinoba.com/blog/special_events-recommended_music-in_the_studio-featured-linkin_park_/transformers_2_new_linkin_park_song_and_score]</ref>

==DVD release==

==Theatrical posters==
<center><gallery perrow="3">
Image:ROTFteaserposter.jpg|Teaser poster
Image:ROTF Theatrical poster.jpg|Theatrical poster
Image:ROTF International poster.jpg|International poster
Image:ROTF Prime poster.jpg|Prime poster
Image:ROTF bumblebee poster.jpg|Bumblebee poster
Image:ROTF Starscream poster.jpg|Wait...Starscream gets a poster but Megatron doesn't? That's just wrong.
</gallery></center>

==Reception==
{{quote|Transformers: ROTF has mostly gotten pretty hideous reviews, but that's because people don't understand that this isn't a movie, in the conventional sense.|[http://io9.com/5301898/michael-bay-finally-made-an-art-movie Michael Bay Finally Made An Art Movie], Charlie Jane Anders|[http://i09.com i09.com,] [[June 24]], [[2009]]}}
{{quote|[The critics] never seem to understand that I make movies for people to take a ride and escape.|[http://tinyurl.com/nyscnv forum post] by Michael Bay|[http://shootfortheedit.com shootfortheedit.com,] [[June 25]], [[2009]]}}

In the week leading up to the United States release, while the film had been released in Japan and the United Kingdom, ''Revenge of the Fallen'' was ranking 38% fresh on [http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/transformers_revenge_of_the_fallen/ Rotten Tomatoes.com]. As American reviews were added into the ranking on June 24, the movie's freshness slipped slowly to 22%. RottenTomatoes.com's consensus was that "''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen'' is a noisy, underplotted, and overlong special effects extravaganza that lacks a human touch." Roger Ebert, who gave the movie one star, remarked that "if you want to save yourself the ticket price, go into the kitchen, cue up a male choir singing the music of hell, and get a kid to start banging pots and pans together." <ref>[http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090623/REVIEWS/906239997 Roger Ebert's ''Revenge of the Fallen'' review] on RogerEbert.com</ref> Todd Gilchrist of Cinematical.com said Michael Bay "has exceeded even the possibilities of sequel-driven 'moreness,' combining his own muscular, high-gloss sensibility with the conventions of blockbusters past, present, and probably future to create a monolithic action masterpiece that feels destined to be the biggest movie of all time." <ref>[http://www.cinematical.com/2009/06/22/review-transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen/ Review: Transformers Revenge of the Fallen] on Cinematical.com</ref> Michael Phillips from the Chicago Tribune said "the first, comparatively lucid ''Transformers'' was a headache, but I sort of enjoyed it....''Revenge of the Fallen'' is more like listening to rocks in a clothes dryer for 2½ hours." <ref>[http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/movies/chi-tc-mov-transformers-0623-0624jun23,0,7350387.story 'Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen' stars Shia LaBeouf, Megan Fox, Josh Duhamel] on chicagotribune.com </ref> Roger Ebert went back for more in a second article, declaring not only that ''Revenge of the Fallen'' was awful, but that it'd [[Ruined FOREVER|ruined action films FOREVER]]. <ref>[http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2009/06/the_fall_of_the_revengers.html "The Fall of the Revengers"] on suntimes.com</ref>

Despite the overwhelmingly negative reviews, ''Revenge of the Fallen'' poised itself quickly as a blockbuster maelstrom. It grossed $16 million in its opening midnight showings alone, an all-time record for Wednesday openings and a second-best for openings on any day of the week behind ''The Dark Knight''. After the full Wednesday was over, ''Revenge of the Fallen'' had grossed $55 million in domestic ticket sales, surpassing the previous Wednesday release record, held by ''Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix'', by over $10 million. <ref> [http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1614673/story.jhtml 'Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen' Breaks Wednesday Box-Office Record] on MTV.com</ref> By the end of the first five days, ''Revenge of the Fallen'' had taken an estimated $201.2 million in the United States, just shy of ''The Dark Knight's'' record $203.8 million 5-day US total. In the same period, international markets took in $186.1 million, bringing the 5-day worldwide total to $387.3 million.<ref>[http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2601&p=.htm BoxOfficeMojo.com - Weekend Report: ‘Revenge of the Fallen' Rises with Optimal Debut, June 28, 2009]</ref>

==Trivia==
*The official title of the film is ''Revenge of the Fallen'' (with a lower-case "t" in "the") even though it is apparently referring to [[The Fallen]] (with a capital "T" in "The").
*Leo's room features posters for [[Wikipedia:Naruto|Naruto]], [[Wikipedia:Cloverfield|Cloverfield]], and [[Wikipedia:Bad Boys 2|Bad Boys 2]].
*During the scenes set in and around the deli in NYC, posters for the bands [[Wikipedia:Catch 22 (band)|Catch Twenty-Two]] and [[wikipedia:Voodoo Glow Skulls|Voodoo Glow Skulls]] are prominently featured.
*[[Frank Welker]] dubbed [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] not only in English but also in Italian, as a result, in the Italian edition of the movie Soundwave speaks with a strange, foreign accent.

==Transformers references==
In addition to carryovers from the previous film, various concepts and characters are derived from previous iterations of Transformers:
* The whole concept of "Transformers disguised as a human" used for [[Alice]] is inspired by the [[Pretender]]s. Roberto Orci even used the term "Pretender" during an interview before the movie release. However, a Transformer with an "organic" alt-mode instead of an external shell is a concept more reminiscent of the [[Beast Era]].
* The Generation 1 iteration of [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] is frequently portrayed as switching from Decepticon to Autobot (he's usually a young and technologically up-to-the-minute 'bot, however.)
* [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and his ejectible minion [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] both have Generation 1 counterparts. Movie Soundwave even has the same voice actor as 1984 cartoon Soundwave, using the same voice, though without the synthetic vocal processing that made the cartoon voice so distinctive.
* [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] bears little physical resemblance to his Generation 1 namesake, but is a vaguely similar character archetype, and he ''does'' have that characteristic door armor hanging from his elbows.
* Generation 1 [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] was the first female Transformer with a starring role, and was likewise a pink-colored girlbot. The idea of Arcee the pink girlbot as a motorcycle dates back to ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]''.
* [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], the combined form of the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]], was the first [[combiner]] robot in Generation 1.
* The characters are new, but the names "[[Mudflap]]", "[[Skids]]", "[[Jolt]]", "[[Rampage]]" and "[[Wheelie]]" are not. Likewise for the concept of "[[Seeker]]s".
* Prime dying and coming back to life has been done [[The many deaths of Optimus Prime|times beyond counting]].
* Prime combining with another 'bot to increase his power (and often gain flight capabilities) is a trope that has occurred in many recent Transformers series (''Robots in Disguise'', ''Armada'', ''Energon'', ''Cybertron''.) In ''Armada'', a different [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] was his most frequent combination partner. This is the first time the other 'bot had to die for it to happen, though.
* The Fallen is based on a comic book character that made his debut in the 2004 miniseries [[The War Within: The Dark Ages]]. In fact, according to Hasbro, he is the ''exact'' same character!
* The [[Matrix of Leadership]] is one of the franchise's oldest MacGuffins.
* [[Energon (fuel)|Energon]] (mentioned though never seen) is the Transformers' power source in numerous incarnations, beginning with the original cartoon.
* Though it is almost certainly not an actual ''reference'' (it's a pretty generic and predictable sci-fi trope), the [[solar harvester]] is quite similar in function to the [[Solar Needle]] from the Generation 1 episode "[[Changing Gears]]", sucking energy from the [[Sun]] to produce energon. Both devices would have destroyed the Sun if allowed to fulfill their function.
* The same is true for Sam having Cybertronian knowledge pumped directly into his brain via a sacred Transformer talisman, which is reminiscent of [[Buster Witwicky]]'s similar situation in the [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]] G1 comics.

==Development details==
===Cast and crew signing on===
On may 30, 2007, a month before the official release of ''[[Transformers (2007)|Transformers]]'', [[DreamWorks]] announced that two sequels were already being planned.<ref name="spy">[http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/a58430/two-transformers-sequels-in-pipeline.html Digital Spy article from May 2007, confirming that two sequels were being planned]</ref> [[Megan Fox]] had already been confirmed for the first of those sequels twelve days eaerlier<ref name="foxcon">[http://www.mtvmoviesblog.com/2007/05/18/megan-fox-confirmed-for-transformers-sequel/ MTV confirming Megan Fox for the sequel]</ref>, while [[Shia LaBeouf]] had already confirmed his participation in an–at that time still theoretical–sequel in November 2006.<ref name="shias">Rebecca Murray: [http://movies.about.com/od/bobby/a/bobbysl111006_4.htm Interview with Shia LaBeouf from 2006, confirming his participation in a theoretical sequel]</ref> Director [[Michael Bay]], meanwhile, only once briefly questioned his involvement in a sequel in August 2007, when [[Paramount Pictures]] announced that ''Transformers'' would be released on HD DVD, but not on Blu-ray Disc.<ref name="bayhd">[http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/08/21/michael-bay-responds-to-paramounts-abandonment-of-blu-ray-no/ One of many sites reporting Michael Bay's announcement that he would not direct the sequel if the first movie wouldn't be released on Blu-ray]. Bay deleted his original post after changing his mind.</ref> Bay quickly changed his mind, however, and Paramount would later release the first movie on Blu-ray anyway, after the HD DVD had been abandoned.

In September of 2007, Paramount officially announced the first sequel for June 2009.<ref name="reldat">[http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117972852.html?categoryid=1236&cs=1 Variety reporting Paramount's official announcement of the first sequel]</ref> Bay was given a budget of $200 million, and ultimately managed to come in $4 million below that.<ref name="showest">[http://www.collider.com/entertainment/interviews/article.asp/aid/11461/tcid/1 Michael Bay talking the ''Transformers'' sequel at ShoWest“]</ref>

The ''Transformers'' screenwriters, [[Roberto Orci]] and [[Alex Kurtzman]], initially hesitated writing the sequel, but ultimately had a change of mind.<ref name="sciforc">[http://scifiwire.com/2009/03/orci-kurtzman-reveal-tran.php Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman talking to Sci Fi Wire.]</ref> In October 2007, [[Ehren Kruger]] was confirmed as a third writer, who, according to Kurtzman, brought in a "fresh perspective"<ref name="kickoff">[http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/01/14/kicking-off-2009-with-writers-alex-kurtzman-and-roberto-orci-part-two-transformers-2/ Another interview with Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci]</ref>, and who reportedly impressed both director Michael Bay and [[Hasbro]] CEO [[Brian Goldner]] with his knowledge of ''Transformers'' mythology.<ref name="writersr">[http://www.zap2it.com/movies/news/zap-transformers2writers,0,1938976.story Zap2it story about the ROTF writers]</ref>

In April 2009, Roberto Orci confirmed that cartoon voice actor [[Frank Welker]] would voice Soundwave.<ref name="welkers">[http://www.cinemablend.com/new.php?id=12917 Roberto orci confirming Welker as Soundwave]</ref> Welker had previously been considered as [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron's]] voice actor in the first movie, but ultimately Michael Bay had given that part to [[Hugo Weaving]] instead. Both Bay and the writers were also hoping that [[leonard Nimoy]] could voice a character in the movie.<ref name="sciforc"> Bay later stated that he was nervous of asking his relative Leonard Nimoy to voice The Fallen for fear of offending him with the relatively low pay allotted to voice actors.<ref name="nimoy1">[http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2009/04/21/michael-bay-afraid-to-offend-leonard-nimoy-with-transformers-family-reunion-offer/ ''Michael Bay Afraid To Offend Leonard Nimoy With ‘Transformers’ Family Reunion Offer'', MTV.com Movies blog, April 21, 2009]</ref> Even though Leonard Nimoy openly asked Bay to simply give him a call<ref name="nimoy2">[http://www.latinoreview.com/news/leonard-nimoy-to-michael-bay-call-me-6682 Leonard Nimoy To Michael Bay: "Call Me!"], Latino Review</ref>, and The Fallen was voiced by [[Tony Todd]] in the movie instead.

===Writing and production===
For the movie, Orci and Kurtzman searched the various ''Transformers'' comics and cartoons for "the most elemental bad guy", and eventually found one in [[The Fallen]].<ref name="sciforc"/>

In addition to that, they wanted to include many things in the sequel that hadn't made it into the first movie, including the Decepticon [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]]. Likewise, the [[Matrix of Leadership]] had initially been intended to be used in the first movie, but for fear of confusion with the ''Matrix'' movies, the cube had been renamed into [[All Spark]]. In return, the Matrix in ''Revenge of the Fallen'' bears more resemblance to the ''[[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] Matrix.

In late 2007, during pre-production for then-untitled ''Transformers'' sequel, the [[wikipedia:2007–2008 Writers Guild of America strike|Writers Guild of America went on strike]], but according to all parties involved, this didn't slow down preparations of the movie much in the long run. Screenwriters Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci turned in their first outline of the script the night before the strike officially began. During the strike, director Michael Bay used the script as a basis for preparing the movie. After the strike had ended, Kurtzman, Orci and Ehren Kruger continued their work on the script, based on Bay's changes.<ref name="kickoff"/> One consequence of this development was that Michael Bay and Hasbro had selected some of the new Transformers characters that were to would appear in the movie during the strike, because of the long production run of the toys, while they had legally not been allowed to consult with the screenwriters.<ref name="sciforc"/> The "Twins", [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]], are Bay's creation.<ref name="jive">[http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2009-06-24-transformers_N.htm?csp=34 USA Today article on accusations of racism with the "Twins", and Michael Bay's response.]</ref>

Principal shooting began in June 2008 in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.<ref name="pennlive">[http://blog.pennlive.com/lvbreakingnews/2008/06/shooting_starts_today_on_trans_1.html Pennlive story about the beginning of ROTF's principal shooting in Bethlehem]</ref> Other shooting sites were Philadelphia, the Campus of Princeton University, Long Beach, the Holloman Air Force Base and the White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico. Some scenes were also shot in other countries, at the [[Wikipedia:Egyptian pyramids|Pyramids of Giza]] and in Luxor, Egypt, in Jordan and in Paris.

According to director Michael Bay, ''Revenge of ther Fallen'' is the first movie in abour 30 years to be given permission to shoot at the Pyramids of Giza, and the first movie ''ever'' to film on top of [[Wikipedia:Petra|Petra]].<ref name="bayclub">[http://www.transformersclub.com/tfrof-intv09.cfm Transformers Collectors' Club interview with Michael Bay]</ref> He obtained permission to film in Egypt by contacting Zahi Hawass, secretary general of Egypt's council of antiquities, who turned out to be a fan of the 2007 ''Transformers'' movie.<ref>[http://www.collider.com/entertainment/interviews/article.asp/aid/10866/tcid/1 The Collider article and video interview with Michael Bay, February 9, 2009]</ref>

During the time of shooting, actor Shia LaBeouf suffered a severe injury of his left hand in a car accident. Ultimately, however, filming was only briefly halted, and his injury worked into the film, thereby not adversely affecting the filming schedule.<ref name="TheList2008">[http://www.list.co.uk/article/10788-shia-labeoufs-transformers-hand/ The List 1 August 2008]</ref> For the movie, director Michael Bay earned himself an entry in the Guiness Book of Records for the "biggest explosion on film with actors present".<ref name="guiness">[http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10579085 New zealand Herald article mentioning Bay' Guiness Book entry]</ref>

===Sponsors and partners===
====Hasbro====
[[Hasbro]] once again acted both as a licensor and actively participated in the development of the movie. Together with the first ''Transformers'' movie, the ''[[G.I. Joe]]'' movie ''Rise of the Cobra'' and several other planned movie projects such as ''Monopoly'', ''Stretch Armstrong'' and ''Battleships'', ''Revenge of the Fallen'' marks the beginning of a new company policy for Hasbro, believing that the new "the movie of the toy" strategy will be more lucrative than the old "the toy of the movie" concept, which involves hefty licensing fees.<ref name="brandweek">[http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jun2009/db20090611_333306.htm Brandweek article on Hasbro's new movie-related business strategy]</ref> Still, director [[Michael Bay]] receives an 8% cut of all toy sales from the ''Transformers'' movies.<ref name="forbesbay">[http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/0622/celebrity-09-transformers-michael-bay-making-movies-enemies-money.html Michael Bay article on Forbes.com June 4, 2009]</ref> During the 2007–2008 Writers Guild of America strike, when nobody was legally allowed to consult with the screenwriters, Hasbro and Bay selected several of the new Transformers characters that were to appear in the movie.<ref name="sciforc"/>

====US military====
The [[United States military]] also supported the movie again, providing vehicles, shooting locations and military personnel that appear as extras in the movie.<ref name="milit">[http://www.military.com/entertainment/movies/movie-news/military-unites-with-hollywood-on-transformers?wh=entertainment American Forces Press Service press relase about the US military's contribution to ROTF]</ref> Due to scheduling coincidences, ''Revenge of the Fallen'' was given a larger support by the US Department of Defense than ''G.I. Joe: Rise of the Cobra'', which was produced at the same time. <ref name="dod">Jeff Schogol: [http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=62955 Stars and Stripes article about DOD support for ''revenge of the Fallen'' and ''G.I. Joe: Rise of the Cobra'']</ref> Initially, Bay had intended to include German soldiers in the movie (presumably as members of [[NEST]]), but even though the soldiers were eager to participate, the German government denied the request.<ref name="szpremiere">[http://newsticker.sueddeutsche.de/list/id/657558 Report from the German press conference (in German laguage)]</ref>

====General Motors====
American car manufacturer General Motors once again provided vehicles that were used by the Autobots as their [[alternate mode]]s. Returning from the first movie were the GMC Topkick ([[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]), the Hummer H2 ([[ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]]) and the new Chevrolet Camaro ([[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]), the latter this time as a slightly updated Z/28 model as compared to the first movie's concept car model. Newcomers for ''Revenge of the Fallen'' are all from the Chevrolet brand, namely the Chevrolet Beat ([[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]]), the Chevrolet Trax ([[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]]), a new Chevrolet Corvette Stingray concept car ([[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]]) and, as a last minute addition, the new Chevrolet Volt electric car ([[Jolt (ROTF)|Jolt]]).

In total, General Motors provided 67 vehicles, 52 of them being prototypes not intended for sale.<ref name="chevytroubles">[http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2009-06-15-gm-transformers_N.htm USA Tosday story on Chevrolet's participation in the movie]</ref> as a consequence of the 2007-onwards financial crisis, however,
General Motors reduced their financial support for ''Revenge'' in April of 2009.<ref name="horsep">[http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-cotown-transformers6-2009apr06,0,5419006.story LA Times story on General Motors cutting their support for ''Revenge of the Fallen'']</ref>

Director Michael Bay estimates that, without the support of general Motors and the military, production of the movie would have cost $10 million more than the $195 million ultimate spent.<ref name="forbesbay"/> Coinciding with the release of ''Revenge of the Fallen'', General Motors reported that sales of the new Chevrolet Camaro were so strong that orders were outrunning the supply, even though the car was being sold above MSRP in many places. A direct connection to the movie, however, could not be proven.<ref name="camarosells">[http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aZCnXEtqqTcc Bloomberg reporting on strong sales for the new Chevrolet Camaro</ref>

====Product placement====
Like in the first movie, numerous companies signed a deal with the filmmakers with allowed for their product being included in prominent places in the movie. A Mountain Dew vvending machine can be seen in [[Leo Spitz|Leo's]] room, computer screens feature visible Cisco logos, [[Sam Witwicky|Sam]] and [[Mikaela Banes|Mikaela]] intend to communicate via iChat, a huge HSBC logo is seen at Times Squre in New York City, a Budweiser bottle is prominently featured in one of the Paris scenes, CNN is everyone's preferred news channel, and a giant IMAX logo is seen inside the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum. In return, Mars heavily advertized ''Revenge of the Fallen'' with their chocolate candy brand M&M's.

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* Also on January 29, 2009, Simon Furman commented on MTV Movie Blog about how the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] wouldn't fit very well into the movie's universe, and that he is glad they were dropped from the cast very early in development.<ref>[http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2009/01/29/no-dinobots-in-transformers-2-revenge-of-the-fallen-original-film-consultant-explains-why/ MTV Movie Blog interview with Simon Furman, January 29, 2009.]</ref>
* On June 8th, 2009, the movie had its world premiere in Japan. Michael Bay, Shia LaBeouf, Megan Fox, Josh Duhamel, Tyrese Gibson, Isabel Lucas and Ramon Rodriguez attended.<ref>[http://www.michaelbay.com/newsblog/files/47a23fdbb6ddc8ece6a0a6c87ccc2bbe-499.html Japanese Premiere photos at Michael Bay.com, June 8, 2009]</ref>. Other countries such as South Korea<ref>[http://www.michaelbay.com/newsblog/files/f7a7af7e754cfa877a635b95d8908eea-506.html Korean Premiere photos at Michael Bay.com, June 9, 2009]</ref>, the United Kingdom and Germany followed over the course of the next few days.

===Disinformation===
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* Michael Bay has claimed that the studio is putting out deliberate misinformation, to obscure real leaks.<ref>[http://io9.com/382919/michael-bay-plays-internet-punkd Michael Bay Plays Internet Punk'd]</ref> (Like our jobs weren't hard enough.)
* During San Diego Comic-Con 2008, in an interview on July 25th, [[Simon Furman]] claimed that the film would feature a character called [[The Fallen]], which was a character they created for [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]]'s ''[[The War Within: The Dark Ages]]''<ref>[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17412 Simon Furman confirms The Fallen is a character in an interview with Comic Book Resources]</ref> Three days later, [[IDW Publishing]] writer [[Chris Mowry]] corroborated the claim in an interview with MTV Splash Page, calling "The Fallen" the main villain of ''Revenge'' ([[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] was also confirmed in the same interview, but the reference to her was mysteriously removed shortly after publication). <ref>[http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/07/28/exclusive-transformers-2-prequel-comic-gives-inside-scoop-on-2009-movie/ MTV Splash Page interviews Chris Mowry]</ref> Less than a week after this, however, Michael Bay reiterated that everything leaked thus far is part of their misinformation campaign and that only a handful of people involved with the production of ''Revenge'' have seen the script, contradicting IDW's interviews where their representatives confirm that they have the script. Additionally, Bay claimed the only truth about the film was Sam going to college.<ref>[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44729&postcount=2 A post made by Michael Bay on his forum]</ref> Curiously, on August 5th 2008, after a fan posted on Michael Bay's forum pointing out the contradiction, all references to the Fallen were removed from the aforementioned interviews, as well as any references to IDW Publishing having the script.
* ''Empire'' magazine's February 2009 issue features information on the role of the Egyptian Pyramids in the Movieverse's backstory. Michael Bay also confirmed The Fallen and denied Megatron would be resurrected (this later turned out to be untrue). Ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics resembling helicopters will be revealed to be depictions of Transformers who visited Earth before the pyramids were built.<ref name="EmpireFeb2009">''Empire'' article entitled "20 to watch in 2009", written by Nick de Semelyn, dated February 2009, pages 68 and 69, issue 236</ref>
* After a short and poorly excuted "misinformation campaign" on the part of Michael Bay, Paramount and their licensees where they claimed that Megatron was not in the movie despite all ''officially released'' evidence to the contrary (including Megatron's brief appearance in the February 1 Superbowl tv spot and the February teaser trailer), Roberto Orci confirmed that Megatron does indeed return.<ref name="Megatron returns">[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/180451-welcome-mr-roberto-orci-you-may-ask-him-questions-211.html#post3333713 Roberto Orci confirms Megatron's return on TFW2005.com - February 22, 2009]</ref>
* On March 6, due to the reports of Weaving's return, Michael Bay finally admitted Megatron was back, but claimed that Megatron would only appear briefly in a flashback to the past, despite the fact Megatron can be seen pinning Sam Witwicky to the ground in ''Revenge's'' tv spot and teaser trailer. One can assume that the director was trying to salvage some form of audience surprise in seeing Megatron return in the movie. In other news of a presumably legitimate kind, Bay said that the movie would go into the distant past and explain the history of the [[Prime]]s.<ref>[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=66825&postcount=4 Michael Bay on his forum - March 6, 2009]</ref>

==Errors==
*Bumblebee picks up Sam at a frat party in the evening. He then takes him to a graveyard where it's daytime.

*During Sam's campus freakout, when he drops his notes on the steps, a blonde woman in a suit can be seen coming down the steps to his left, nearly reaching him. However, when the camera angle shifts, the woman is suddenly at the top of the stairs again.

*On the sonar, there are "five contacts" diving down to Megatron's location, and "six contacts" going up after his resurrection. Since one Constructicon was killed to repair Megatron, shouldn't there be only five contacts going up as well? Keep in mind, Scalpel is too small to register on sonar, but Ravage is just large enough.

*When the [[Wikipedia:USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71)|USS ''Theodore Roosevelt'']] is sunk by Decepticon [[transition form]]s, the hull number of 74 can clearly be seen.{{fact}} CVN-74 belongs to the [[Wikipedia:USS John C. Stennis (CVN-74)|USS ''John C. Stennis'']], a carrier that shows up later in the film and was also the carrier used for filming.

*When Jetfire is activated at the [[Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum]] (actually the [[Wikipedia:Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center|Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center]], an annex of the Smithsonian) in Washington, he leaves the exhibition center and exits into the desert location of the [[Wikipedia:309th Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group|309th Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group (aka The Boneyard)]], which is in Tuscon, Arizona. When Jetfire breaks out of the building, we can see a composited image of the Boneyard's rows of planes, so it's arguable that in this universe the middle of Washington DC happens to be a desert full of old planes, and no buildings and uh... heh heh. Given that this and the Transformers are the ''only'' changes between this universe and ours, that's a stretch.

==External links==
*[http://www.transformersmovie.com Dreamworks/Paramount's ''Transformers'' Movie website]
*[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/ Hasbro's ''Transformers'' homepage]
*[http://www.collider.com/entertainment/interviews/article.asp/aid/10866/tcid/1 Interview with Michael Bay 02/09/2009] — Collider.com

==References==
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[[Category:Films]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen]]

Dinobot (Classics)

2009-06-30T00:04:03Z

Boba Fett:

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[[Image:Dinobots-MiniCons.jpg|thumb|250px|right|Concentrated ''awesome''. (Hacksaw unavailable.)]]
The '''Dinobots''' are a rough-and-tumble group of [[Mini-Con]] warriors who are at their best in harsh environments. Allied with the [[Autobot]]s, whenever a mission is set in a dangerous jungle or festering swamp, the Dinobots are the ones to handle it!

The Mini-Con Dinobots consist of...

*[[Hacksaw]] a stegosaurus and the team leader
*[[Knockdown (Classics)|Knockdown]] a triceratops
*[[Terrorsaur (Classics)|Terrorsaur]] a tyrannosaurus rex
*[[Swoop (G1)#Classics_2|Swoop]] a pterodactyl

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
Swoop originated as a [[bulk]], serving [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] as part of the original crew of the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] where he was rebuilt into a pteranodon. {{storylink|The Last Stand}} He had many adventures as a part of [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'s [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]]s until he was critically injured by an [[Underbase]]-powered [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]. {{storylink|Dark Star (issue)|Dark Star}} He spent much time off-line until he was restored by Grimlock using [[Nucleon]] just in time to participate in the battle against [[Unicron]]. {{storylink|On the Edge of Extinction!}}

====''Classics''====
Hacksaw, Knockdown, and Terrorsaur were among the many Mini-Cons created by the [[Last Autobot]] for the purpose of restoring [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. Together they were the Dinobots, a fierce team of warriors that worked to clear Cybertron's [[underworld]] of [[mutant (G1)|mutant]]s. Hacksaw served both as leader of the Dinobots and as second-in-command to Mini-Con leader [[Modus Prime]]. {{storylink|The New World}}

After the defeat of [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s forces, the already nucleon-infused Swoop was caught in a titanic explosion at a nucleon-processing plant and was drastically mutated. The quick reaction of the Autobot Mini-Cons saved him and ''boom''; Mini-Con Swoop was born. {{storylink|Games of Deception}}

==Toys==
===Classics===
*'''Dinobots''' (Mini-Con Team, 2006)

: Knockdown, Swoop, and Terrorsaur were sold as a set. The Dinobots are part of the first wave of "[[Classics (2006)|Classics]] Mini-Cons".

[[Category: Autobot subgroups]]
[[Category: Classics]]
[[Category: Dinobots| Mini-Cons]]
[[Category: Mini-Con teams]]

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)

2009-06-30T00:00:25Z

Boba Fett: /* Errors */ that's not an error

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'''''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen''''' is the first of two planned sequels to ''[[Transformers (2007)|Transformers]]''. It was released in North America on [[June 24]], 2009.

{{quote|Revenge is mine!|The Fallen, ''[[Revenge of the Fallen]]''}}

:''Japanese title:'' '''''Transformers: Revenge'''''
:''French title:'' '''''Transformers: La Revanche''''' (''Transformers: The Revenge'')
:''German title:'' '''''Transformers: Die Rache''''' (''Transformers: The Revenge'')
:''Polish title:'' '''''Transformers: Zemsta Upadłych''''' (''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen'', except the word "Fallen" is a plural.)
:''Italian title:'' '''''Transformers 2: La Vendetta Del Caduto''''' (''Transformers 2: The Revenge Of The Fallen'')
:''Serbian title:'' '''''Transformers 2: Najveće govno ikada''''' (''Transformers 2: The Revenge Of The Fallen'')

==Main cast==
{{spoiler|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|July 24, 2009}}

{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] ([[Peter Cullen]])
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] ([[Jess Harnell]])
*[[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] ([[Robert Foxworth]])
*[[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] ([[Mark Ryan]])
*[[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] ([[Grey DeLisle]])
*[[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] ([[Tom Kenny]])
*[[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] ([[Reno Wilson]])
*[[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]] ([[André Sogliuzzo]])
*[[Jolt (ROTF)|Jolt]]
*[[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]] ([[Tom Kenny]])

|c2=
*[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] ([[Hugo Weaving]])
*[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] ([[Charlie Adler]])
*[[The Fallen]] ([[Tony Todd]])
*[[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]]
*[[Alice]] ([[Isabel Lucas]])
*[[Grindor (ROTF)|Grindor]]
*[[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]] ([[Tom Kenny]])
*[[Scalpel]] ([[John Di Crosta]])
*[[Reedman]] ([[Frank Welker]])
*[[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]
*[[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]]
*[[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] ([[Frank Welker]])
*A [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]] lookalike
*[[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicon]]s
**[[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]] ([[Frank Welker]])
**[[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] ([[Calvin Wimmer]])
**[[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]] ([[Kevin Michael Richardson]])
**[[Scavenger (ROTF)|Scavenger]]
**[[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]]
**[[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]]
**[[Scrapper (ROTF)|Scrapper]]
**[[Hightower (ROTF)|Hightower]]
**[[Overload (ROTF)|Overload]]
|c3=
*[[Sam Witwicky]] ([[Shia LaBeouf]])
*[[Mikaela Banes]] ([[Megan Fox]])
*[[William Lennox]] ([[Josh Duhamel]])
*[[Robert Epps]] ([[Tyrese Gibson]])
*[[Leo Spitz]] ([[Ramon Rodriguez]])
*[[Seymour Simmons]] ([[John Turturro]])
*[[Theodore Galloway]] ([[John Benjamin Hickey]])
*[[Judy Witwicky]] ([[Julie White]])
*[[Ron Witwicky]] ([[Kevin Dunn]])
*[[General Morshower]] ([[Glenn Morshower]])
*[[Professor Colan]] ([[Rainn Wilson]])
*[[Tova Simmons]] ([[Annie Korzen]])
*[[Fassbinder]] ([[Jonathon Trent]])
*[[Sharsky]] ([[Walker Howard]])
}}

==Technical details==
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==Short synopsis==
[[Image:ROTFteaserposter.jpg|right|250px|thumb|For dry, red eyes, the difference is clear: Clear Eyes.]]

The Autobots have found a home in "NEST", a secret military unit created to seek out and eliminate the remaining Decepticons. All is not well, however. Unbeknownst to them, Soundwave is in orbit, coordinating the Decepticon counterstrike. After Ravage steals the Allspark shard from NEST, a team of Constructicons and The Doctor journey to the bottom of the ocean and use it revive Megatron. The Decepticon leader journeys to the crashed Nemesis, rebukes Starscream, and meets with his master, The Fallen.

The Fallen explains that he had constructed a Solar Harvester on Earth, in violation of the Primes' code to never harm an inhabited planet. The Primes turned on him, banished and imprisoned him. However the Harvester still stands, and only one Prime remains. If Megatron destroys Optimus Prime, The Fallen will be freed to activate the Harvester, which will kill off the humans and provide the Decepticons with enough energon to raise an army. Megatron eagerly agrees, and returns to Earth with a vengeance.

It transpires that the location of the Harvester is hidden within Sam Witwicky, who absorbed the knowledge from another Allspark fragment. The Decepticons begin an all-out war across the Earth as they hunt down the human, and the Autobots and NEST are blamed for the ensuing carnage. Witwicky goes to ground, and must turn to unlikely allies in the race to find a solution. Ultimately, the last of the Primes defeats The Fallen, destroys the Harvester, and proves the Transformers' greatest power is found in their unexpectedly-ancient alliance with the humans.

==Full synopsis==
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==Quotes==


"Ding-a-ling, come out an' get yo' ice cream. Any bad robot out there better get ready for an ass-whoopin'."
:— '''Skids''' and '''Mudflap''' speaking their first line in the movie as the ice cream truck.

"Sam, fate rarely calls upon us at a moment of our choosing."
:— '''Optimus Prime'''

"Need parts. Kill ze little one!"
:— '''Scalpel''' instructs the Constructicons to kill one of their own, which they so happily oblige.

"Starscream, I'm home!"
:— '''Megatron'''. And the fangirls go wild!

"I know you’re pissed-I know you’re pissed, I tried to kill you, right? It’s totally understandable. I mean, if you tried to kill me, I’d be pissed, too."
:— '''Sam Witwicky''' tries to relate with '''Megatron'''.

"Is the fate of our race not worth one human life?" 
"You'd never stop at just ''one''. '''I'll take you all on!'''"
:— '''Megatron''' tries to justify killing Sam, but '''Optimus Prime''' disapproves based on the potato chip theory. Beatdown ensues.

"What planet am I on?" 
"Earth." 
"''Earth''? Terrible name for a planet. Might as well call it ''Dirt''. Planet Dirt."
:— '''Jetfire''' asks '''Simmons''' where he is, only to have negative thoughts.

"You know what my father was? [[Scrounge|A wheel]]! The first wheel! And you know what he transformed into? NOTHING! But he did so with honor! Dignity!"
:— '''Jetfire''' tells a story.

"Beginning. Middle. End. Facts. Details. Condense. Plot. Tell it."
:— '''Simmons''' demands more coherent exposition from Jetfire.

"Lemme show ya how we brought the pain in ''my'' day!!"
:—'''Jetfire''' enters the fray to show us young whippersnappers how it's ''really'' done.

"One man, alone, abandoned by the country he loves."
:— '''Agent Simmons''' being, well, Agent Simmons as he bravely charges off to lure the Decepticons away.

"GIVE ME YOUR FACE."
:—'''Optimus Prime''' warns The Fallen of his violent fetish.

"Not to call you a coward, master, but, sometimes, cowards do survive."
:— '''Starscream''' pitches his usual battle plan to an unusually receptive Megatron.

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==Production staff==
* Writers [[Roberto Orci]] and [[Alex Kurtzman]] recruited [[Ehren Kruger]] to help them write the screenplay. [[Michael Bay]] and producers [[Don Murphy]], [[Tom DeSanto]], and [[Lorenzo di Bonaventura]] also returned.<ref>[http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6372 Transformers 2 Writers Confirmed]</ref>
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===Visual effects===
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===Locations department===
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==Prequel material==
===Titan Magazines ''Transformers'' movie comics===
While the Decepticons were disgusted with the pro-Autobot propaganda of Bay's first documentary {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 13|#13's Star Screams}}, they're quite optimistic about the second film. [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] has taken a strong interest in it, going to the trouble of personally convincing [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] to be in the film {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 15|15's Star Screams}}.

The Decepticons promise this new documentary will show a glorious Decepticon victory {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 10|#10's Star Screams}} - whether it's in the script or not. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 18|#18's Star Screams}}

Shockingly, even ''they'' are under a non-disclosure agreement regarding the script; Starscream fearfully refers to a greater power keeping him quiet. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 22|#22's Star Screams}} Talking about it could even undermine the Decepticon war effort! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 23|#23's Star Screams}}

In the same week the film came out, the Decepticons suddenly became unhappy with it and the detente period ended. Bay, Kurtzman, and Orci are once again marked for extermination for their propaganda films. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.1|#1's Law and Disorder}}

===IDW ''Transformers'' movie comics===
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==Adaptations==
:''Main article:'' [[Revenge of the Fallen Movie Adaptation]]
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'''Children's adaptations'''
{{main|Revenge of the Fallen: The Junior Novel}}
{{main|The Last Prime}}
{{main|Operation Autobot}}
{{main|When Robots Attack!}}
{{main|I Am Optimus Prime (ROTF)}}
{{main|Rise of the Decepticons}}

==Sequels==
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==Soundtrack==
:''Main article:'' [[Revenge of the Fallen: The Soundtrack]]

==Score==
{{cleanup|June 25, 2009}}
:''Main article:'' [[Revenge of the Fallen: The Score]]
* [[Linkin Park]] and Hans Zimmer worked with Steve Jablonsky on the score of the movie. Linkin Park also wrote a song, called "New Divide". It was one of the theme songs for the movie, and they did several interpretations on that theme. <ref>[http://www.mikeshinoba.com/blog/special_events-recommended_music-in_the_studio-featured-linkin_park_/transformers_2_new_linkin_park_song_and_score]</ref>

==DVD release==

==Theatrical posters==
<gallery perrow="3">
Image:ROTFteaserposter.jpg|Teaser poster
Image:ROTF Theatrical poster.jpg|Theatrical poster
Image:ROTF International poster.jpg|International poster
Image:ROTF Prime poster.jpg|Prime poster
Image:ROTF bumblebee poster.jpg|Bumblebee poster
Image:ROTF Starscream poster.jpg|Wait...Starscream gets a poster but Megatron doesn't? That's just wrong.
</gallery>

==Reception==
{{quote|Transformers: ROTF has mostly gotten pretty hideous reviews, but that's because people don't understand that this isn't a movie, in the conventional sense.|[http://io9.com/5301898/michael-bay-finally-made-an-art-movie Michael Bay Finally Made An Art Movie], Charlie Jane Anders|[http://i09.com i09.com,] [[June 24]], [[2009]]}}
{{quote|[The critics] never seem to understand that I make movies for people to take a ride and escape.|[http://tinyurl.com/nyscnv forum post] by Michael Bay|[http://shootfortheedit.com shootfortheedit.com,] [[June 25]], [[2009]]}}

In the week leading up to the United States release, while the film had been released in Japan and the United Kingdom, ''Revenge of the Fallen'' was ranking 38% fresh on [http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/transformers_revenge_of_the_fallen/ Rotten Tomatoes.com]. As American reviews were added into the ranking on June 24, the movie's freshness slipped slowly to 22%. RottenTomatoes.com's consensus was that "''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen'' is a noisy, underplotted, and overlong special effects extravaganza that lacks a human touch." Roger Ebert, who gave the movie one star, remarked that "if you want to save yourself the ticket price, go into the kitchen, cue up a male choir singing the music of hell, and get a kid to start banging pots and pans together." <ref>[http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090623/REVIEWS/906239997 Roger Ebert's ''Revenge of the Fallen'' review] on RogerEbert.com</ref> Todd Gilchrist of Cinematical.com said Michael Bay "has exceeded even the possibilities of sequel-driven 'moreness,' combining his own muscular, high-gloss sensibility with the conventions of blockbusters past, present, and probably future to create a monolithic action masterpiece that feels destined to be the biggest movie of all time." <ref>[http://www.cinematical.com/2009/06/22/review-transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen/ Review: Transformers Revenge of the Fallen] on Cinematical.com</ref> Michael Phillips from the Chicago Tribune said "the first, comparatively lucid ''Transformers'' was a headache, but I sort of enjoyed it....''Revenge of the Fallen'' is more like listening to rocks in a clothes dryer for 2½ hours." <ref>[http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/movies/chi-tc-mov-transformers-0623-0624jun23,0,7350387.story 'Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen' stars Shia LaBeouf, Megan Fox, Josh Duhamel] on chicagotribune.com </ref> Roger Ebert went back for more in a second article, declaring not only that ''Revenge of the Fallen'' was awful, but that it'd [[Ruined FOREVER|ruined action films FOREVER]]. <ref>[http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2009/06/the_fall_of_the_revengers.html "The Fall of the Revengers"] on suntimes.com</ref>

Despite the overwhelmingly negative reviews, ''Revenge of the Fallen'' poised itself quickly as a blockbuster maelstrom. It grossed $16 million in its opening midnight showings alone, an all-time record for Wednesday openings and a second-best for openings on any day of the week behind ''The Dark Knight''. After the full Wednesday was over, ''Revenge of the Fallen'' had grossed $55 million in domestic ticket sales, surpassing the previous Wednesday release record, held by ''Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix'', by over $10 million. <ref> [http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1614673/story.jhtml 'Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen' Breaks Wednesday Box-Office Record] on MTV.com</ref> By the end of the first five days, ''Revenge of the Fallen'' had taken an estimated $201.2 million in the United States, just shy of ''The Dark Knight's'' record $203.8 million 5-day US total. In the same period, international markets took in $186.1 million, bringing the 5-day worldwide total to $387.3 million.<ref>[http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2601&p=.htm BoxOfficeMojo.com - Weekend Report: ‘Revenge of the Fallen' Rises with Optimal Debut, June 28, 2009]</ref>

==Trivia==
*The official title of the film is ''Revenge of the Fallen'' (with a lower-case "t" in "the") even though it is apparently referring to [[The Fallen]] (with a capital "T" in "The").
*Leo's room features posters for [[Wikipedia:Naruto|Naruto]], [[Wikipedia:Cloverfield|Cloverfield]], and [[Wikipedia:Bad Boys 2|Bad Boys 2]].
*During the scenes set in and around the deli in NYC, posters for the bands [[Wikipedia:Catch 22 (band)|Catch Twenty-Two]] and [[wikipedia:Voodoo Glow Skulls|Voodoo Glow Skulls]] are prominently featured.
*[[Frank Welker]] dubbed [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] not only in English but also in Italian, as a result, in the Italian edition of the movie Soundwave speaks with a strange, foreign accent.

==Transformers references==
In addition to carryovers from the previous film, various concepts and characters are derived from previous iterations of Transformers:
* The whole concept of "Transformers disguised as a human" used for [[Alice]] is inspired by the [[Pretender]]s. Roberto Orci even used the term "Pretender" during an interview before the movie release. However, a Transformer with an "organic" alt-mode instead of an external shell is a concept more reminiscent of the [[Beast Era]].
* The Generation 1 iteration of [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] is frequently portrayed as switching from Decepticon to Autobot (he's usually a young and technologically up-to-the-minute 'bot, however.)
* [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and his ejectible minion [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] both have Generation 1 counterparts. Movie Soundwave even has the same voice actor as 1984 cartoon Soundwave, using the same voice, though without the synthetic vocal processing that made the cartoon voice so distinctive.
* [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] bears little physical resemblance to his Generation 1 namesake, but is a vaguely similar character archetype, and he ''does'' have that characteristic door armor hanging from his elbows.
* Generation 1 [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] was the first female Transformer with a starring role, and was likewise a pink-colored girlbot. The idea of Arcee the pink girlbot as a motorcycle dates back to ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]''.
* [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], the combined form of the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]], was the first combiner robot in Generation 1.
* The characters are new, but the names "[[Mudflap]]", "[[Skids]]", "[[Jolt]]", "[[Rampage]]" and "[[Wheelie]]" are not. Likewise for the concept of "[[Seeker]]s".
* Prime dying and coming back to life has been done [[The many deaths of Optimus Prime|times beyond counting]].
* Prime combining with another 'bot to increase his power (and often gain flight capabilities) is a trope that has occurred in many recent Transformers series (''Robots in Disguise'', ''Armada'', ''Energon'', ''Cybertron''.) In ''Armada'', a different [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] was his most frequent combination partner. This is the first time the other 'bot had to die for it to happen, though.
* The Fallen is based on a comic book character that made his debut in the 2004 miniseries [[The War Within: The Dark Ages]]. In fact, according to Hasbro, he is the ''exact'' same character! (Don't bother trying to make sense of it).
* The [[Matrix of Leadership]] is one of the franchise's oldest McGuffins.
* [[Energon]] (mentioned though never seen) is the Transformers' power source in numerous incarnations, beginning with the original cartoon.

==Development details==
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* In an interview with BANG! Showbiz, Shia LeBouf stated that the injuries he suffered in his recent vehicular collision were written into the script and did not adversely affect the filming schedule.<ref name="TheList2008">[http://www.list.co.uk/article/10788-shia-labeoufs-transformers-hand/ The List 1 August 2008]</ref>
* Also on January 29, 2009, Simon Furman commented on MTV Movie Blog about how the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] wouldn't fit very well into the movie's universe, and that he is glad they were dropped from the cast very early in development.<ref>[http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2009/01/29/no-dinobots-in-transformers-2-revenge-of-the-fallen-original-film-consultant-explains-why/ MTV Movie Blog interview with Simon Furman, January 29, 2009.]</ref>
* Michael Bay stated in interview with ''The Collider'' that he obtained permission to film in Egypt by contacting [[Zahi Hawass]], secretary general of Egypt's council of antiquities, who turned out to be a fan of the 2007 ''Transformers'' movie.<ref>[http://www.collider.com/entertainment/interviews/article.asp/aid/10866/tcid/1 The Collider article and video interview with Michael Bay, February 9, 2009]</ref>
* In an interview with Sci Fi Wire on March 31st, Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman said they had looked through the comics and cartoons for the "most elemental bad guy" that "jumped off the material" and found that in the Fallen. They also stated that due to production necessities (Hasbro and Bay needing characters for scenes and design to begin as soon as possible) and the 2008-2009 Writers Strike, some characters were in their initial treatment while others were designed specifically for the movie production, and that due to the overall numbers of robots, the audience would not get to know all of the Transformers closely. Indeed, Orci and Kurtzman referred to some characters via descriptors such "Volt" (Jolt) and "Wheelbot" (Demolishor). They also confirmed that Nimoy was open to playing the Fallen if the role was offered, and that they were in the middle of hashing it out with Frank Welker over a role in the movie, but the final decision was down to Bay.<ref name="scifiwireMarch2009">[http://scifiwire.com/2009/03/orci-kurtzman-reveal-tran.php SciFi Wire March 2009 interview with Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman]</ref>
* On the MTV Movies blog, Michael Bay reported that they were still doing for the voices for the film, and that he was (jokingly) nervous of asking his relative Leonard Nimoy if he wanted to voice The Fallen in the movie for fear of offending him with the relatively low pay allotted to voice actors.<ref>[http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2009/04/21/michael-bay-afraid-to-offend-leonard-nimoy-with-transformers-family-reunion-offer/ ''Michael Bay Afraid To Offend Leonard Nimoy With ‘Transformers’ Family Reunion Offer'', MTV.com Movies blog, April 21, 2009]</ref>
* In a June 22nd article in Forbes (released online on June 4th), Michael Bay talked about his philosphy in movie-making, his demand of part-ownership of movies he makes, and the revelation that he receives an 8% cut of all toy sales from the ''Transformers'' movies.<ref>[http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/0622/celebrity-09-transformers-michael-bay-making-movies-enemies-money.html Michael Bay article on Forbes.com June 4, 2009]</ref>
* On June 8th, 2009, the movie had its world premiere in Japan. Michael Bay, Shia LaBeouf, Megan Fox, Josh Duhamel, Tyrese Gibson, Isabel Lucas and Ramon Rodriguez attended.<ref>[http://www.michaelbay.com/newsblog/files/47a23fdbb6ddc8ece6a0a6c87ccc2bbe-499.html Japanese Premiere photos at Michael Bay.com, June 8, 2009]</ref>. Other countries such as South Korea<ref>[http://www.michaelbay.com/newsblog/files/f7a7af7e754cfa877a635b95d8908eea-506.html Korean Premiere photos at Michael Bay.com, June 9, 2009]</ref>, the United Kingdom and Germany followed over the course of the next few days.
===Disinformation===
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* Michael Bay has claimed that the studio is putting out deliberate misinformation, to obscure real leaks.<ref>[http://io9.com/382919/michael-bay-plays-internet-punkd Michael Bay Plays Internet Punk'd]</ref> (Like our jobs weren't hard enough.)
* During San Diego Comic-Con 2008, in an interview on July 25th, [[Simon Furman]] claimed that the film would feature a character called [[The Fallen]], which was a character they created for [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]]'s ''[[The War Within: The Dark Ages]]''<ref>[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17412 Simon Furman confirms The Fallen is a character in an interview with Comic Book Resources]</ref> Three days later, [[IDW Publishing]] writer [[Chris Mowry]] corroborated the claim in an interview with MTV Splash Page, calling "The Fallen" the main villain of ''Revenge'' ([[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] was also confirmed in the same interview, but the reference to her was mysteriously removed shortly after publication). <ref>[http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/07/28/exclusive-transformers-2-prequel-comic-gives-inside-scoop-on-2009-movie/ MTV Splash Page interviews Chris Mowry]</ref> Less than a week after this, however, Michael Bay reiterated that everything leaked thus far is part of their misinformation campaign and that only a handful of people involved with the production of ''Revenge'' have seen the script, contradicting IDW's interviews where their representatives confirm that they have the script. Additionally, Bay claimed the only truth about the film was Sam going to college.<ref>[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44729&postcount=2 A post made by Michael Bay on his forum]</ref> Curiously, on August 5th 2008, after a fan posted on Michael Bay's forum pointing out the contradiction, all references to the Fallen were removed from the aforementioned interviews, as well as any references to IDW Publishing having the script.
* ''Empire'' magazine's February 2009 issue features information on the role of the Egyptian Pyramids in the Movieverse's backstory. Michael Bay also confirmed The Fallen and denied Megatron would be resurrected (this later turned out to be untrue). Ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics resembling helicopters will be revealed to be depictions of Transformers who visited Earth before the pyramids were built.<ref name="EmpireFeb2009">''Empire'' article entitled "20 to watch in 2009", written by Nick de Semelyn, dated February 2009, pages 68 and 69, issue 236</ref>
* After a short and poorly excuted "misinformation campaign" on the part of Michael Bay, Paramount and their licensees where they claimed that Megatron was not in the movie despite all ''officially released'' evidence to the contrary (including Megatron's brief appearance in the February 1 Superbowl tv spot and the February teaser trailer), Roberto Orci confirmed that Megatron does indeed return.<ref name="Megatron returns">[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/180451-welcome-mr-roberto-orci-you-may-ask-him-questions-211.html#post3333713 Roberto Orci confirms Megatron's return on TFW2005.com - February 22, 2009]</ref>
* On March 6, due to the reports of Weaving's return, Michael Bay finally admitted Megatron was back, but claimed that Megatron would only appear briefly in a flashback to the past, despite the fact Megatron can be seen pinning Sam Witwicky to the ground in ''Revenge's'' tv spot and teaser trailer. One can assume that the director was trying to salvage some form of audience surprise in seeing Megatron return in the movie. In other news of a presumably legitimate kind, Bay said that the movie would go into the distant past and explain the history of the [[Prime]]s.<ref>[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=66825&postcount=4 Michael Bay on his forum - March 6, 2009]</ref>

===''Transformers'' sequel and the 2007-2008 Writers Strike===
In late 2007, during preproduction for then-untitled ''Transformers'' sequel, the [[wikipedia:2007–2008 Writers Guild of America strike|Writers Guild of America went on strike]]. At the time, Roberto Orci stated that the strike could likely delay ''Transformers 2's'' release. However, Michael Bay refuted this, claiming the movie was still on schedule.<ref>[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6200#post6200 Robert Orci discusses the strike & TF2]</ref> The reason behind Bay's confidence was discovered by Orci shortly after the strike ended. The director had apparently taken the outline the writers had handed in the night before the strike, and began pre-production based on it. <ref>[http://www.donmurphy.net/board/showthread.php?t=24357&page=4 Don Murphy message board - Orci on the aftermath of the strike]</ref>

==Errors==
*Bumblebee picks up Sam at a frat party in the evening. He then takes him to a graveyard where it's daytime.
*On the sonar, there are "five contacts" diving down to Megatron's location, and "six contacts" going up after his resurrection. Since one Constructicon was killed to repair Megatron, shouldn't there be only five contacts going up as well? Keep in mind, Scalpel is too small to register on sonar, but Ravage is just large enough.
*When Jetfire is activated at the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum (actually the [[Wikipedia:Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center|Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center]], an annex of the Smithsonian) in Washington, he leaves the exhibition center and exits into the desert location of the [[Wikipedia:309th Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group|309th Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group (aka The Boneyard)]], which is in Tuscon, Arizona. When Jetfire breaks out of the building, we can see a composited image of the Boneyard's rows of planes, so it's arguable that in this universe the middle of Washington DC happens to be a desert full of old planes, and no buildings and uh... heh heh. Given that this and the Transformers are the ''only'' changes between this universe and ours, that's a stretch.
*During Sam's campus freakout, when he drops his notes on the steps, a blonde woman in a suit can be seen coming down the steps to his left, nearly reaching him. However, when the camera angle shifts, the woman is suddenly at the top of the stairs again.

==External links==
*[http://www.transformersmovie.com Dreamworks/Paramount's ''Transformers'' Movie website]
*[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/ Hasbro's ''Transformers'' homepage]
*[http://www.collider.com/entertainment/interviews/article.asp/aid/10866/tcid/1 Interview with Michael Bay 02/09/2009] — Collider.com

==References==
{{Reflist|2}}

[[Category:Films]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen]]

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)

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'''''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen''''' is the first of two planned sequels to ''[[Transformers (2007)|Transformers]]''. It was released in North America on [[June 24]], 2009.

{{quote|Revenge is mine!|The Fallen, ''[[Revenge of the Fallen]]''}}

:''Japanese title:'' '''''Transformers: Revenge'''''
:''French title:'' '''''Transformers: La Revanche''''' (''Transformers: The Revenge'')
:''German title:'' '''''Transformers: Die Rache''''' (''Transformers: The Revenge'')
:''Polish title:'' '''''Transformers: Zemsta Upadłych''''' (''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen'', except the word "Fallen" is a plural.)
:''Italian title:'' '''''Transformers 2: La Vendetta Del Caduto''''' (''Transformers 2: The Revenge Of The Fallen'')
:''Serbian title:'' '''''Transformers 2: Najveće govno ikada''''' (''Transformers 2: The Revenge Of The Fallen'')

==Main cast==
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{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] ([[Peter Cullen]])
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] ([[Jess Harnell]])
*[[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] ([[Robert Foxworth]])
*[[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] ([[Mark Ryan]])
*[[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] ([[Grey DeLisle]])
*[[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] ([[Tom Kenny]])
*[[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] ([[Reno Wilson]])
*[[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]] ([[André Sogliuzzo]])
*[[Jolt (ROTF)|Jolt]]
*[[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]] ([[Tom Kenny]])

|c2=
*[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] ([[Hugo Weaving]])
*[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] ([[Charlie Adler]])
*[[The Fallen]] ([[Tony Todd]])
*[[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]]
*[[Alice]] ([[Isabel Lucas]])
*[[Grindor (ROTF)|Grindor]]
*[[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]] ([[Tom Kenny]])
*[[Scalpel]] ([[John Di Crosta]])
*[[Reedman]] ([[Frank Welker]])
*[[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]
*[[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]]
*[[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] ([[Frank Welker]])
*A [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]] lookalike
*[[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicon]]s
**[[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]] ([[Frank Welker]])
**[[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] ([[Calvin Wimmer]])
**[[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]] ([[Kevin Michael Richardson]])
**[[Scavenger (ROTF)|Scavenger]]
**[[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]]
**[[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]]
**[[Scrapper (ROTF)|Scrapper]]
**[[Hightower (ROTF)|Hightower]]
**[[Overload (ROTF)|Overload]]
|c3=
*[[Sam Witwicky]] ([[Shia LaBeouf]])
*[[Mikaela Banes]] ([[Megan Fox]])
*[[William Lennox]] ([[Josh Duhamel]])
*[[Robert Epps]] ([[Tyrese Gibson]])
*[[Leo Spitz]] ([[Ramon Rodriguez]])
*[[Seymour Simmons]] ([[John Turturro]])
*[[Theodore Galloway]] ([[John Benjamin Hickey]])
*[[Judy Witwicky]] ([[Julie White]])
*[[Ron Witwicky]] ([[Kevin Dunn]])
*[[General Morshower]] ([[Glenn Morshower]])
*[[Professor Colan]] ([[Rainn Wilson]])
*[[Tova Simmons]] ([[Annie Korzen]])
*[[Fassbinder]] ([[Jonathon Trent]])
*[[Sharsky]] ([[Walker Howard]])
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==Technical details==
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==Short synopsis==
[[Image:ROTFteaserposter.jpg|right|250px|thumb|For dry, red eyes, the difference is clear: Clear Eyes.]]

The Autobots have found a home in "NEST", a secret military unit created to seek out and eliminate the remaining Decepticons. All is not well, however. Unbeknownst to them, Soundwave is in orbit, coordinating the Decepticon counterstrike. After Ravage steals the Allspark shard from NEST, a team of Constructicons and The Doctor journey to the bottom of the ocean and use it revive Megatron. The Decepticon leader journeys to the crashed Nemesis, rebukes Starscream, and meets with his master, The Fallen.

The Fallen explains that he had constructed a Solar Harvester on Earth, in violation of the Primes' code to never harm an inhabited planet. The Primes turned on him, banished and imprisoned him. However the Harvester still stands, and only one Prime remains. If Megatron destroys Optimus Prime, The Fallen will be freed to activate the Harvester, which will kill off the humans and provide the Decepticons with enough energon to raise an army. Megatron eagerly agrees, and returns to Earth with a vengeance.

It transpires that the location of the Harvester is hidden within Sam Witwicky, who absorbed the knowledge from another Allspark fragment. The Decepticons begin an all-out war across the Earth as they hunt down the human, and the Autobots and NEST are blamed for the ensuing carnage. Witwicky goes to ground, and must turn to unlikely allies in the race to find a solution. Ultimately, the last of the Primes defeats The Fallen, destroys the Harvester, and proves the Transformers' greatest power is found in their unexpectedly-ancient alliance with the humans.

==Full synopsis==
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==Quotes==


"Ding-a-ling, come out an' get yo' ice cream. Any bad robot out there better get ready for an ass-whoopin'."
:— '''Skids''' and '''Mudflap''' speaking their first line in the movie as the ice cream truck.

"Sam, fate rarely calls upon us at a moment of our choosing."
:— '''Optimus Prime'''

"Need parts. Kill ze little one!"
:— '''Scalpel''' instructs the Constructicons to kill one of their own, which they so happily oblige.

"Starscream, I'm home!"
:— '''Megatron'''. And the fangirls go wild!

"I know you’re pissed-I know you’re pissed, I tried to kill you, right? It’s totally understandable. I mean, if you tried to kill me, I’d be pissed, too."
:— '''Sam Witwicky''' tries to relate with '''Megatron'''.

"Is the fate of our race not worth one human life?" 
"You'd never stop at just ''one''. '''I'll take you all on!'''"
:— '''Megatron''' tries to justify killing Sam, but '''Optimus Prime''' disapproves based on the potato chip theory. Beatdown ensues.

"What planet am I on?" 
"Earth." 
"''Earth''? Terrible name for a planet. Might as well call it ''Dirt''. Planet Dirt."
:— '''Jetfire''' asks '''Simmons''' where he is, only to have negative thoughts.

"You know what my father was? [[Scrounge|A wheel]]! The first wheel! And you know what he transformed into? NOTHING! But he did so with honor! Dignity!"
:— '''Jetfire''' tells a story.

"Beginning. Middle. End. Facts. Details. Condense. Plot. Tell it."
:— '''Simmons''' demands more coherent exposition from Jetfire.

"Lemme show ya how we brought the pain in ''my'' day!!"
:—'''Jetfire''' enters the fray to show us young whippersnappers how it's ''really'' done.

"One man, alone, abandoned by the country he loves."
:— '''Agent Simmons''' being, well, Agent Simmons as he bravely charges off to lure the Decepticons away.

"GIVE ME YOUR FACE."
:—'''Optimus Prime''' warns The Fallen of his violent fetish.

"Not to call you a coward, master, but, sometimes, cowards do survive."
:— '''Starscream''' pitches his usual battle plan to an unusually receptive Megatron.

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==Production staff==
* Writers [[Roberto Orci]] and [[Alex Kurtzman]] recruited [[Ehren Kruger]] to help them write the screenplay. [[Michael Bay]] and producers [[Don Murphy]], [[Tom DeSanto]], and [[Lorenzo di Bonaventura]] also returned.<ref>[http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6372 Transformers 2 Writers Confirmed]</ref>
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===Visual effects===
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===Locations department===
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==Prequel material==
===Titan Magazines ''Transformers'' movie comics===
While the Decepticons were disgusted with the pro-Autobot propaganda of Bay's first documentary {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 13|#13's Star Screams}}, they're quite optimistic about the second film. [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] has taken a strong interest in it, going to the trouble of personally convincing [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] to be in the film {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 15|15's Star Screams}}.

The Decepticons promise this new documentary will show a glorious Decepticon victory {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 10|#10's Star Screams}} - whether it's in the script or not. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 18|#18's Star Screams}}

Shockingly, even ''they'' are under a non-disclosure agreement regarding the script; Starscream fearfully refers to a greater power keeping him quiet. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 22|#22's Star Screams}} Talking about it could even undermine the Decepticon war effort! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 23|#23's Star Screams}}

In the same week the film came out, the Decepticons suddenly became unhappy with it and the detente period ended. Bay, Kurtzman, and Orci are once again marked for extermination for their propaganda films. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.1|#1's Law and Disorder}}

===IDW ''Transformers'' movie comics===
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==Adaptations==
:''Main article:'' [[Revenge of the Fallen Movie Adaptation]]
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'''Children's adaptations'''
{{main|Revenge of the Fallen: The Junior Novel}}
{{main|The Last Prime}}
{{main|Operation Autobot}}
{{main|When Robots Attack!}}
{{main|I Am Optimus Prime (ROTF)}}
{{main|Rise of the Decepticons}}

==Sequels==
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==Soundtrack==
:''Main article:'' [[Revenge of the Fallen: The Soundtrack]]

==Score==
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:''Main article:'' [[Revenge of the Fallen: The Score]]
* [[Linkin Park]] and Hans Zimmer worked with Steve Jablonsky on the score of the movie. Linkin Park also wrote a song, called "New Divide". It was one of the theme songs for the movie, and they did several interpretations on that theme. <ref>[http://www.mikeshinoba.com/blog/special_events-recommended_music-in_the_studio-featured-linkin_park_/transformers_2_new_linkin_park_song_and_score]</ref>

==DVD release==

==Theatrical posters==
<gallery perrow="3">
Image:ROTFteaserposter.jpg|Teaser poster
Image:ROTF Theatrical poster.jpg|Theatrical poster
Image:ROTF International poster.jpg|International poster
Image:ROTF Prime poster.jpg|Prime poster
Image:ROTF bumblebee poster.jpg|Bumblebee poster
Image:ROTF Starscream poster.jpg|Wait...Starscream gets a poster but Megatron doesn't? That's just wrong.
</gallery>

==Reception==
{{quote|Transformers: ROTF has mostly gotten pretty hideous reviews, but that's because people don't understand that this isn't a movie, in the conventional sense.|[http://io9.com/5301898/michael-bay-finally-made-an-art-movie Michael Bay Finally Made An Art Movie], Charlie Jane Anders|[http://i09.com i09.com,] [[June 24]], [[2009]]}}
{{quote|[The critics] never seem to understand that I make movies for people to take a ride and escape.|[http://tinyurl.com/nyscnv forum post] by Michael Bay|[http://shootfortheedit.com shootfortheedit.com,] [[June 25]], [[2009]]}}

In the week leading up to the United States release, while the film had been released in Japan and the United Kingdom, ''Revenge of the Fallen'' was ranking 38% fresh on [http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/transformers_revenge_of_the_fallen/ Rotten Tomatoes.com]. As American reviews were added into the ranking on June 24, the movie's freshness slipped slowly to 22%. RottenTomatoes.com's consensus was that "''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen'' is a noisy, underplotted, and overlong special effects extravaganza that lacks a human touch." Roger Ebert, who gave the movie one star, remarked that "if you want to save yourself the ticket price, go into the kitchen, cue up a male choir singing the music of hell, and get a kid to start banging pots and pans together." <ref>[http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090623/REVIEWS/906239997 Roger Ebert's ''Revenge of the Fallen'' review] on RogerEbert.com</ref> Todd Gilchrist of Cinematical.com said Michael Bay "has exceeded even the possibilities of sequel-driven 'moreness,' combining his own muscular, high-gloss sensibility with the conventions of blockbusters past, present, and probably future to create a monolithic action masterpiece that feels destined to be the biggest movie of all time." <ref>[http://www.cinematical.com/2009/06/22/review-transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen/ Review: Transformers Revenge of the Fallen] on Cinematical.com</ref> Michael Phillips from the Chicago Tribune said "the first, comparatively lucid ''Transformers'' was a headache, but I sort of enjoyed it....''Revenge of the Fallen'' is more like listening to rocks in a clothes dryer for 2½ hours." <ref>[http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/movies/chi-tc-mov-transformers-0623-0624jun23,0,7350387.story 'Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen' stars Shia LaBeouf, Megan Fox, Josh Duhamel] on chicagotribune.com </ref> Roger Ebert went back for more in a second article, declaring not only that ''Revenge of the Fallen'' was awful, but that it'd [[Ruined FOREVER|ruined action films FOREVER]]. <ref>[http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2009/06/the_fall_of_the_revengers.html "The Fall of the Revengers"] on suntimes.com</ref>

Despite the overwhelmingly negative reviews, ''Revenge of the Fallen'' poised itself quickly as a blockbuster maelstrom. It grossed $16 million in its opening midnight showings alone, an all-time record for Wednesday openings and a second-best for openings on any day of the week behind ''The Dark Knight''. After the full Wednesday was over, ''Revenge of the Fallen'' had grossed $55 million in domestic ticket sales, surpassing the previous Wednesday release record, held by ''Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix'', by over $10 million. <ref> [http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1614673/story.jhtml 'Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen' Breaks Wednesday Box-Office Record] on MTV.com</ref> By the end of the first five days, ''Revenge of the Fallen'' had taken an estimated $201.2 million in the United States, just shy of ''The Dark Knight's'' record $203.8 million 5-day US total. In the same period, international markets took in $186.1 million, bringing the 5-day worldwide total to $387.3 million.<ref>[http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2601&p=.htm BoxOfficeMojo.com - Weekend Report: ‘Revenge of the Fallen' Rises with Optimal Debut, June 28, 2009]</ref>

==Trivia==
*The official title of the film is ''Revenge of the Fallen'' (with a lower-case "t" in "the") even though it is apparently referring to [[The Fallen]] (with a capital "T" in "The").
*Leo's room features posters for [[Wikipedia:Naruto|Naruto]], [[Wikipedia:Cloverfield|Cloverfield]], and [[Wikipedia:Bad Boys 2|Bad Boys 2]].
*During the scenes set in and around the deli in NYC, posters for the bands [[Wikipedia:Catch 22 (band)|Catch Twenty-Two]] and [[wikipedia:Voodoo Glow Skulls|Voodoo Glow Skulls]] are prominently featured.
*[[Frank Welker]] dubbed [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] not only in English but also in Italian, as a result, in the Italian edition of the movie Soundwave speaks with a strange, foreign accent.

==Transformers references==
In addition to carryovers from the previous film, various concepts and characters are derived from previous iterations of Transformers:
* The whole concept of "Transformers disguised as a human" used for [[Alice]] is inspired by the [[Pretender]]s. Roberto Orci even used the term "Pretender" during an interview before the movie release. However, a Transformer with an "organic" alt-mode instead of an external shell is a concept more reminiscent of the [[Beast Era]].
* The Generation 1 iteration of [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] is frequently portrayed as switching from Decepticon to Autobot (he's usually a young and technologically up-to-the-minute 'bot, however.)
* [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and his ejectible minion [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] both have Generation 1 counterparts. Movie Soundwave even has the same voice actor as 1984 cartoon Soundwave, using the same voice, though without the synthetic vocal processing that made the cartoon voice so distinctive.
* [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] bears little physical resemblance to his Generation 1 namesake, but is a vaguely similar character archetype, and he ''does'' have that characteristic door armor hanging from his elbows.
* Generation 1 [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] was the first female Transformer with a starring role, and was likewise a pink-colored girlbot. The idea of Arcee the pink girlbot as a motorcycle dates back to ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]''.
* [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], the combined form of the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]], was the first combiner robot in Generation 1.
* The characters are new, but the names "[[Mudflap]]", "[[Skids]]", "[[Jolt]]", "[[Rampage]]" and "[[Wheelie]]" are not. Likewise for the concept of "[[Seeker]]s".
* Prime dying and coming back to life has been done [[The many deaths of Optimus Prime|times beyond counting]].
* Prime combining with another 'bot to increase his power (and often gain flight capabilities) is a trope that has occurred in many recent Transformers series (''Robots in Disguise'', ''Armada'', ''Energon'', ''Cybertron''.) In ''Armada'', a different [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] was his most frequent combination partner. This is the first time the other 'bot had to die for it to happen, though.
* The Fallen is based on a comic book character that made his debut in the 2004 miniseries [[The War Within: The Dark Ages]]. In fact, according to Hasbro, he is the ''exact'' same character! (Don't bother trying to make sense of it).
* The [[Matrix of Leadership]] is one of the franchise's oldest McGuffins.
* [[Energon]] (mentioned though never seen) is the Transformers' power source in numerous incarnations, beginning with the original cartoon.

==Development details==
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* In an interview with BANG! Showbiz, Shia LeBouf stated that the injuries he suffered in his recent vehicular collision were written into the script and did not adversely affect the filming schedule.<ref name="TheList2008">[http://www.list.co.uk/article/10788-shia-labeoufs-transformers-hand/ The List 1 August 2008]</ref>
* Also on January 29, 2009, Simon Furman commented on MTV Movie Blog about how the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] wouldn't fit very well into the movie's universe, and that he is glad they were dropped from the cast very early in development.<ref>[http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2009/01/29/no-dinobots-in-transformers-2-revenge-of-the-fallen-original-film-consultant-explains-why/ MTV Movie Blog interview with Simon Furman, January 29, 2009.]</ref>
* Michael Bay stated in interview with ''The Collider'' that he obtained permission to film in Egypt by contacting [[Zahi Hawass]], secretary general of Egypt's council of antiquities, who turned out to be a fan of the 2007 ''Transformers'' movie.<ref>[http://www.collider.com/entertainment/interviews/article.asp/aid/10866/tcid/1 The Collider article and video interview with Michael Bay, February 9, 2009]</ref>
* In an interview with Sci Fi Wire on March 31st, Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman said they had looked through the comics and cartoons for the "most elemental bad guy" that "jumped off the material" and found that in the Fallen. They also stated that due to production necessities (Hasbro and Bay needing characters for scenes and design to begin as soon as possible) and the 2008-2009 Writers Strike, some characters were in their initial treatment while others were designed specifically for the movie production, and that due to the overall numbers of robots, the audience would not get to know all of the Transformers closely. Indeed, Orci and Kurtzman referred to some characters via descriptors such "Volt" (Jolt) and "Wheelbot" (Demolishor). They also confirmed that Nimoy was open to playing the Fallen if the role was offered, and that they were in the middle of hashing it out with Frank Welker over a role in the movie, but the final decision was down to Bay.<ref name="scifiwireMarch2009">[http://scifiwire.com/2009/03/orci-kurtzman-reveal-tran.php SciFi Wire March 2009 interview with Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman]</ref>
* On the MTV Movies blog, Michael Bay reported that they were still doing for the voices for the film, and that he was (jokingly) nervous of asking his relative Leonard Nimoy if he wanted to voice The Fallen in the movie for fear of offending him with the relatively low pay allotted to voice actors.<ref>[http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2009/04/21/michael-bay-afraid-to-offend-leonard-nimoy-with-transformers-family-reunion-offer/ ''Michael Bay Afraid To Offend Leonard Nimoy With ‘Transformers’ Family Reunion Offer'', MTV.com Movies blog, April 21, 2009]</ref>
* In a June 22nd article in Forbes (released online on June 4th), Michael Bay talked about his philosphy in movie-making, his demand of part-ownership of movies he makes, and the revelation that he receives an 8% cut of all toy sales from the ''Transformers'' movies.<ref>[http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/0622/celebrity-09-transformers-michael-bay-making-movies-enemies-money.html Michael Bay article on Forbes.com June 4, 2009]</ref>
* On June 8th, 2009, the movie had its world premiere in Japan. Michael Bay, Shia LaBeouf, Megan Fox, Josh Duhamel, Tyrese Gibson, Isabel Lucas and Ramon Rodriguez attended.<ref>[http://www.michaelbay.com/newsblog/files/47a23fdbb6ddc8ece6a0a6c87ccc2bbe-499.html Japanese Premiere photos at Michael Bay.com, June 8, 2009]</ref>. Other countries such as South Korea<ref>[http://www.michaelbay.com/newsblog/files/f7a7af7e754cfa877a635b95d8908eea-506.html Korean Premiere photos at Michael Bay.com, June 9, 2009]</ref>, the United Kingdom and Germany followed over the course of the next few days.
===Disinformation===
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* Michael Bay has claimed that the studio is putting out deliberate misinformation, to obscure real leaks.<ref>[http://io9.com/382919/michael-bay-plays-internet-punkd Michael Bay Plays Internet Punk'd]</ref> (Like our jobs weren't hard enough.)
* During San Diego Comic-Con 2008, in an interview on July 25th, [[Simon Furman]] claimed that the film would feature a character called [[The Fallen]], which was a character they created for [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]]'s ''[[The War Within: The Dark Ages]]''<ref>[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17412 Simon Furman confirms The Fallen is a character in an interview with Comic Book Resources]</ref> Three days later, [[IDW Publishing]] writer [[Chris Mowry]] corroborated the claim in an interview with MTV Splash Page, calling "The Fallen" the main villain of ''Revenge'' ([[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] was also confirmed in the same interview, but the reference to her was mysteriously removed shortly after publication). <ref>[http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/07/28/exclusive-transformers-2-prequel-comic-gives-inside-scoop-on-2009-movie/ MTV Splash Page interviews Chris Mowry]</ref> Less than a week after this, however, Michael Bay reiterated that everything leaked thus far is part of their misinformation campaign and that only a handful of people involved with the production of ''Revenge'' have seen the script, contradicting IDW's interviews where their representatives confirm that they have the script. Additionally, Bay claimed the only truth about the film was Sam going to college.<ref>[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44729&postcount=2 A post made by Michael Bay on his forum]</ref> Curiously, on August 5th 2008, after a fan posted on Michael Bay's forum pointing out the contradiction, all references to the Fallen were removed from the aforementioned interviews, as well as any references to IDW Publishing having the script.
* ''Empire'' magazine's February 2009 issue features information on the role of the Egyptian Pyramids in the Movieverse's backstory. Michael Bay also confirmed The Fallen and denied Megatron would be resurrected (this later turned out to be untrue). Ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics resembling helicopters will be revealed to be depictions of Transformers who visited Earth before the pyramids were built.<ref name="EmpireFeb2009">''Empire'' article entitled "20 to watch in 2009", written by Nick de Semelyn, dated February 2009, pages 68 and 69, issue 236</ref>
* After a short and poorly excuted "misinformation campaign" on the part of Michael Bay, Paramount and their licensees where they claimed that Megatron was not in the movie despite all ''officially released'' evidence to the contrary (including Megatron's brief appearance in the February 1 Superbowl tv spot and the February teaser trailer), Roberto Orci confirmed that Megatron does indeed return.<ref name="Megatron returns">[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/180451-welcome-mr-roberto-orci-you-may-ask-him-questions-211.html#post3333713 Roberto Orci confirms Megatron's return on TFW2005.com - February 22, 2009]</ref>
* On March 6, due to the reports of Weaving's return, Michael Bay finally admitted Megatron was back, but claimed that Megatron would only appear briefly in a flashback to the past, despite the fact Megatron can be seen pinning Sam Witwicky to the ground in ''Revenge's'' tv spot and teaser trailer. One can assume that the director was trying to salvage some form of audience surprise in seeing Megatron return in the movie. In other news of a presumably legitimate kind, Bay said that the movie would go into the distant past and explain the history of the [[Prime]]s.<ref>[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=66825&postcount=4 Michael Bay on his forum - March 6, 2009]</ref>

===''Transformers'' sequel and the 2007-2008 Writers Strike===
In late 2007, during preproduction for then-untitled ''Transformers'' sequel, the [[wikipedia:2007–2008 Writers Guild of America strike|Writers Guild of America went on strike]]. At the time, Roberto Orci stated that the strike could likely delay ''Transformers 2's'' release. However, Michael Bay refuted this, claiming the movie was still on schedule.<ref>[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6200#post6200 Robert Orci discusses the strike & TF2]</ref> The reason behind Bay's confidence was discovered by Orci shortly after the strike ended. The director had apparently taken the outline the writers had handed in the night before the strike, and began pre-production based on it. <ref>[http://www.donmurphy.net/board/showthread.php?t=24357&page=4 Don Murphy message board - Orci on the aftermath of the strike]</ref>

==Errors==
*Bumblebee picks up Sam at a frat party in the evening. He then takes him to a graveyard where it's daytime.
*On the sonar, there are "five contacts" diving down to Megatron's location, and "six contacts" going up after his resurrection. Since one Constructicon was killed to repair Megatron, shouldn't there be only five contacts going up as well? Keep in mind, Scalpel is too small to register on sonar, but Ravage is just large enough.
*Pulling a [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]], Scalpel vanishes after Optimus' arrival, the Twins are not seen again after the Devastator fight, Arcee's remaining operational blue motorcycle disappears mid-battle, and Wheelie disappears for the entire third act. What the hell, man?
*When Jetfire is activated at the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum (actually the [[Wikipedia:Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center|Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center]], an annex of the Smithsonian) in Washington, he leaves the exhibition center and exits into the desert location of the [[Wikipedia:309th Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group|309th Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group (aka The Boneyard)]], which is in Tuscon, Arizona. When Jetfire breaks out of the building, we can see a composited image of the Boneyard's rows of planes, so it's arguable that in this universe the middle of Washington DC happens to be a desert full of old planes, and no buildings and uh... heh heh. Given that this and the Transformers are the ''only'' changes between this universe and ours, that's a stretch.
*During Sam's campus freakout, when he drops his notes on the steps, a blonde woman in a suit can be seen coming down the steps to his left, nearly reaching him. However, when the camera angle shifts, the woman is suddenly at the top of the stairs again.

==External links==
*[http://www.transformersmovie.com Dreamworks/Paramount's ''Transformers'' Movie website]
*[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/ Hasbro's ''Transformers'' homepage]
*[http://www.collider.com/entertainment/interviews/article.asp/aid/10866/tcid/1 Interview with Michael Bay 02/09/2009] — Collider.com

==References==
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[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen]]

Dynasty of Primes

2009-06-29T23:57:20Z

Boba Fett:

:''The Dynasty of Primes is a group from the Live action movie continuity family.''

The '''Dynasty of Primes''' was the ruling class of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] eons ago. Formed by the first [[Thirteen original Transformers|<strike>Thirteen</strike>]] [[The Seven Primes|<strike>Seven</strike>]] [[Transformers]], the Dynasty ruled Cybertron and protected the [[All Spark]] until they were betrayed by [[The Fallen|one of their own]].

==Fiction==
===IDW Comics===
Eons ago, the All Spark created thirteen beings, the first Cybertronians. They soon realized that the All Spark's power, though vast, was not infinite, and required the energy of stars to be replenished. Once a nearby star went nova, the All Spark created a worker race, the Transformers, who would assist the Dynasty in replenishing the All Spark. However, one of the thirteen, later known as the Fallen, betrayed his brothers and tried to steal the power of the All Spark for himself. However, once he had destroyed his brothers [[sarcophagus|sarcophagi]], he realized that they were able to still act, trapping him in his own Sarcophagus. Knowledge of the thirteen faded, and the Dynasty of Primes became little more than a myth. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}

Thousands of years later, the [[Science Division]] discovered the Fallen's sarcophagus and the remains of the other Twelve's sarcophagi. As the Fallen influenced [[Lord High Protector]] [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], the members of the Science Division studied the remains of the other relics and discovered the [[Cyberglyphics|symbol of the Primes]]. This was the first proof that they had found of the Dynasty, and what's more, the symbol was etched on the head of the Science Division's leader, who was soon dubbed [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] [[Prime (rank)|Prime]] by his fellow scientists. After the [[Autobot]]s refused to follow Megatron's [[Decepticon]]s, the term Prime came to denote Optimus as leader of the Autobots. {{storylink|Defiance issue 3}}

===Revenge of The Fallen===
{{spoilers|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|July 24}}
According to [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] (and this alone may make it suspect), the Dynasty of Primes was formed by the first Cybertronians. One could not become a Prime, they could only be born as such, for only a Prime could kill a Prime. The Dynasty ruled Cybertron and protected the All Spark, replenishing it with the energy harvested from stars. However, the Dynasty of Primes was also benevolent, believing that all life was sacred and refused to harvest stars with worlds inhabited by sentient races. However, The Fallen believed that they should harvest the star [[Sun|Sol]], which was orbited by a small world with primitive inhabitants, humans. The Fallen betrayed and killed most of his brothers, but one survived and hid the [[Matrix of Leadership]], the key necessary to activating the [[solar harvester]], in the [[Tomb of the Primes]] on [[Earth]]. The Fallen dispatched the [[Seeker]]s to retrieve the Matrix, but were unsuccessful. On Cybertron, the Fallen hunted down and killed every last Prime he could find, knowing that they were a threat to him. A single orphan was hidden away with no knowledge of his lineage: [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]].

When Megatron left Optimus Prime in stasis lock, the last threat to the Fallen was removed, and he prepared for his return to Earth. However, [[Sam Witwicky]], using the knowledge of the All Spark within his mind, found the Matrix in [[Egypt]], not far from the harvester. Unfortunately, it had turned to dust in the millennia in the tomb. When his heart stopped after an attack by Megatron, Sam communed with the [[spark]]s of the original Cybertronians, who had judged Sam worthy of stewardship of the Matrix. With the Matrix restored, Sam used it to revive Optimus Prime and give him the knowledge of his ancestors. Using parts donated by a critically injured Jetfire, Optimus went to the solar harvester and confronted the Fallen. After a fierce battle, Optimus defeated the Fallen by ripping off his face. With the death of the Fallen, Optimus Prime became sole inheritor of the Matrix and the last of the Dynasty of Primes {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of The Fallen}}

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User:Boba Fett

2009-06-29T22:46:01Z

Boba Fett: /* People I'd like in transformers 3 */

User:Boba Fett

2009-06-29T22:45:27Z

Boba Fett: /* People I'd like in transformers 3 */

Hey, I'm the user called Boba Fett. I'm still something of a newb when it comes to Transformers stuff, so I'm sorry if I mess some story content up. I don't really know much beyond the the two live-action movies. My favorite pages are the Fallen and the Optimus movie page.

==Personal canon==
*Nexus Maximus is/was "[[Anonymous Maximus]]".
*Primus used the Allspark to make the transformers in the movieverse.

==People I'd like in transformers 3==
*Ultra Magnus
*Hod Rod
*Shockwave
*The Dinobots
*Omega Supreme
*Metroplex
*Tidal Wave

==Favorite Pictures==
[[Image:Timelinestoy-NexusMaximus.jpg|thumb|200px]]
[[Image:UnicronDeathstarII.jpg|thumb|left|200px]]
[[Image:Unicronsingularity.jpg|left|thumb|200px|The cause of - and solution to - all the continuity problems.]]
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Arcee (Movie)

2009-06-27T19:58:21Z

Boba Fett: /* Revenge of the Fallen movie */

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:''Arcee is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Arceemovie.jpg|right|250px|thumb|She's got legs, she knows how to use them. Temporarily, anyway.]]
Though small compared to many of her peers and adversaries, '''Arcee''' compensates with speed and aggressive maneuvers, making her one of the most dangerous Autobots around. Moreover, Arcee is a born hunter. She honed her speed hunting [[Turbofox|turbofoxes]] with other speedsters, challenging herself to get as close as possible before tagging them with her bow. She's a crack shot with said crossbow weapon, and [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] has trained her to use her speed to her advantage in battle, striking suddenly and swiftly and then vanishing away again as fast as she appeared.

The events at [[Tyger Pax]] created a nagging doubt in Arcee about her abilities. She carries some guilt about [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]'s injuries, and part of what drives her is the desire to prove herself, not only in the optics of her friends and comrades, but most importantly in her own.

==Fiction==
===IDW ''Transformers'' movie comics===
Many, many years in the past, Arcee was a member of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus's]] science division, in charge of excavation site LT34 near the temple of [[Simfur]]. While Optimus was showing Protector [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] around, her team discovered a mysterious relic with a [[Decepticon|strange symbol]] etched into it. She led her superiors to the ancient relic and watched as Megatron and Optimus began to argue when the former demanded the relic be relocated to his private quarters, Optimus relenting due to a sudden alien attack. Arcee assisted with its evacuation from the dig site. {{storylink|Defiance issue 1}}

[[Image:Defiance2_Arcee_Clocker.jpg|thumb|left|250px|]]

After the attack, Arcee tried to save the life of one of the aliens, but was unsuccessful. She and [[Clocker (Movie)|Clocker]] moved the bodies to [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]]'s lab, where they discovered that the beings were similar in structure to the cybertronians, only lacking the ability to [[transformation|transform]]. Before they could speculate further about the common ancestry of the two races, [[Signal Flare (Movie)|Signal Flare]] arrive with orders from Optimus to assemble at the Simfur excavation site for a meeting. There, Arcee and the other scientists learned of Protector Megatron's demand for war and Optimus' thoughts on the issue. After most of the scientists agreed to follow Optimus, they travelled to [[Trypticon (Movie)|Trypticon]] to watch Megatron deliver his saber-rattling war rally. {{storylink|Defiance issue 2}}

Ratchet, Arcee and [[Elita-One]] returned to the lab to analyze the other relic fragments recovered from the Simfur excavation, while Optimus, [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]] and [[Prowl (Movie)|Prowl]] broke into Megatron's quarters to examine the intact relic. Before Optimus could explain to Ratchet the strange condition of the artifact, Arcee reported a finding - a symbol that appeared in the same place on all the different fragments: the same symbol that was on Optimus' head. Ratchet theorised that the legend of the [[Dynasty of Primes]] was true, and that Optimus was somehow connected to all of this. Later, at the dig site near [[Burthov]], Arcee, Ratchet and Optimus were arrested by Prowl's security forces on orders from Megatron for treason. What they didn't know was they were all being led into a trap, and the assassins Megatron sent would only take Optimus alive. After [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl's]] initial attack, Optimus ordered the group to escape to Burthov while he took care of [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] and his soldiers. {{storylink|Defiance issue 3}}

Arcee was part of the team who captured the disenchanted soldier [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] and brought him before Optimus Prime. Ironhide pledged alliegence with Prime and brought news of ''[[Nemesis (ROTF)|Nemesis]]'', a massive starship that Megatron was building. While observing its construction and taking images of the ship, Arcee remarked that she had never seen its like before. During the subsequent civil war, Arcee defended civilians who were being targeted by Megatron's Decepticons for refusing to join in the war against Optimus Prime's Autobots. She was under command of Bumblebee and desperately fought against Megatron's vast army at [[Tyger Pax]]. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}

[[Image:MoviePrequel1 Arcee Bumblebee.jpg|right|250px|thumb|"Can I say something?" "Whatever it is now is not the right time!"]]

However, Arcee and the rest of those under Bumblebee's command didn't know the true purpose of their battle, for they were a diversion to keep Megatron busy while other Autobots readied the [[All Spark (Movie)|All Spark]] for launch from Cybertron. She was captured and interrogated by the Decepticons but survived the ordeal. She recounted to their Autobot rescuers Bumblebee's heroics in delaying Megatron, preventing Megatron from intercepting the wormhole-bound All Spark. {{storylink|Movie Prequel issue 1|Prime Directive (IDW) issue 1}}

Many years later, following the death of [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] and the destruction of the All Spark on [[Earth]], Arcee was in command of an Autobot assault team on [[Mars]] and led [[Cliffjumper (Movie)|Cliffjumper]] and others in an attack on [[Nemesis (Movie)|Starscream's ship]]. {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream Issue Number Two}}

[[Image:ReignofStarscream4 Arcee.jpg|left|150px|thumb|She's so happy to be home, she doesn't even care that Payload's looking up her dress.]]

While her team made short work of the [[Swindle (Movie)|Swindle]], [[Dreadwing (Movie)|Dreadwing]], and [[Payload (Movie)|Payload]] drones the Decepticons sent against them, Arcee killed the Decepticon sniper [[Hardtop (Movie)|Hardtop]] before he could snipe [[Smokescreen (Movie)|Smokescreen]]. Her teammates were unprepared for the arrival of [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]], however, and he quickly slew [[Camshaft (Movie)|Camshaft]] and wounded [[Cliffjumper (Movie)|Cliffjumper]]. Remembering her failure at Tyger Pax, Arcee leapt into action, and soon she and Cliffjumper had Thundercracker at their mercy. The arrival of Starscream changed that, as he killed Smokescreen and Air Raid and badly damaged Cliffjumper. As she attempted to pull the last surviving member of her team to safety, Arcee was kicked aside by Starscream. {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream Issue Number Three}}

However, Arcee recovered an instant later. The Decepticon starship was already taking off, but she jumped and grabbed onto a piece of landing gear, holding on tight...through the [[space bridge]]. Wow. Later, she made her way back to an Autobot facility, where she unexpectedly met Clocker and [[Crosshairs (Movie)|Crosshairs]]. Along with a large force of Autobots, the three moved in on the Simfur temple, where Starscream was using captured Autobots for a strange project of his. {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream Issue Number Four}}

[[Image:Alliance4_bikeAutobots.jpg|thumb|180px|May I introduce myselfs?]]

She split her troops into two forces: One would attack the city of [[Trypticon (Movie)|Trypticon]] as a diversion, while the other moved in on Simfur. Arcee and her team could only watch helplessly as Starscream drained the life out of the Autobot prisoners strapped onto the replica All Spark, despite her friend Elita-One's pleas for mercy. An opportunity to cause havoc presented itself when [[Dreadwing (Movie)|Dreadwing]]'s forces attempted a coup. Arcee lined up her sights on the generator holding the life energy of the deceased prisoners, dedicated the shot to Elita, and destroyed it, annihilating the Cube and sending the Decepticons into disarray. Arcee's team fought their way through the disorganised Decepticons, linked up with [[Wingblade]]'s team, and rolled out just as the crippled 'starship came crashing down on the city. With the destruction of the capitol and the defeat of a significant portion of the Decepticon drone army, Arcee considered this to be the turning point of the war, but as long as Starscream was alive, he was a thread that she had to track down. {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream Issue Number Five}}

Sometime later, a reconfigured Arcee arrived on [[Earth]] with a small group of other Autobots to answer Optimus Prime's rallying call, but their joy was cut short with news of more Decepticon sightings on their new home. They caught up and reconnected through their training at [[N.E.S.T.]]'s facility, as that was all the time they had. The new recruits were soon called upon to put their training into use: the Decepticon [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] had been sighted in [[Shanghai]], [[China]]. {{Storylink|Alliance issue 4}}
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===Target Robovision bio===
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Arcee was on [[Earth]] for a short time at the beginning of the conflict there, presumably arriving shortly after Bumblebee. When the situation on Earth began to ramp up into out-and-out combat, she was reassigned elsewhere, where her stealth skills would be of more use.

Now she fights in the [[Charii system]] against a Decepticon splinter cell working on a star-breaking weapon. If she has her way, the only things breaking will be their heads.

===Titan Magazines ''Transformers'' movie comics===
{{Note|Arcee's appearance in [[IDW]]'s [[Movie Prequel (2007)|2007 Prime Directive movie prequel]] is in continuity with the following appearance in [[Titan]]'s comics.}}

Originally, Arcee didn't serve either faction, working alone to solve injustices in her own way. [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] personally decided to make an example of her, and only an Autobot extraction team led by [[Kup (Movie)|Kup]] saved her life. This debt saw her join the Autobots. She's chimerical in nature and is constantly changing her alt-mode in an effort to go as fast as possible (maybe that's why her robot mode always looks different!). She [[Arcee (G1)|previously had a hover-car form]], but on Earth takes a modified bike mode. Once you earn her trust, she's [[Rick Astley|never going to let you down]]. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 21|Arcee bio}}

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[[Image:Titan13 Arcee.jpg|right|150px|thumb|She's pissed off that she hasn't got her cool live-action design.]]

Arcee was one of the six Autobot reinforcements hiding on the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]]. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 9|Twilight's Last Gleaming, Part: 1}} When [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] attacked them, the quick-thinking Arcee was the one who took command and rallied the troops. When this still failed to work, she ordered them to Earth (following [[Strongarm (Movie)|Strongarm's]] initiative) and their prearranged targets. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 11|Twilight's Last Gleaming, Part: 3}} Alongside [[Armorhide (Movie)|Armorhide]], she guarded [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] while he destroyed the captive [[All Spark]] and thus saved Earth from being cyberformed. When the other Autobots had believed they'd lost, Arcee was the only one who outright refused to accept defeat. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 13|Twilight's Last Gleaming, Part: 5}}

And, of course, they didn't lose. However, Arcee was left bewildered by the idea that Humanity would not trust and love the Autobots, and Optimus explained to her that, from a human point of view, all the Transformers are alien horrors fighting on their planet. Following this, she guarded the [[Savannah]], [[Georgia]] shelter and was caught in [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream's]] ambush. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 14|Aftermath Part 1}} {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 15|Aftermath Part 2}}

Among other engagements to protect the American infrastructure, she served with Bumblebee in protecting an Alaskan pipeline. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 16|Dark Spark}}

[[Image:Titan22 Arcee.jpg|left|200px|thumb|''That's'' better!]]

She was later part of Ironhide's team in retrieving [[Nucleon]] from Cybertron, which ran afoul of [[Stockade (Movie)|Stockade]]. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 17|Return to Cybertron: Part 1}} She acted as Bumblebee's distraction, drawing [[Storm Surge]] and [[Fracture]] away, {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 18|Return to Cybertron: Part 2}} and doubled back to regroup with Ironhide (and pull him out of rubble) when [[Unicron]] arrived. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 19|Return to Cybertron: Part 3}} Later, she got Optimus Prime up to speed on the situation. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 20|Return to Cybertron: Part 4}}

Following the Decepticon re-conquest of Savannah, Arcee was part of the raid to rescue [[Mikaela Banes]]. She got off one bit of bravado about how hitting things was her kind of shindig before [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]] hit ''her''. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 22|The Decepticon Who Haunted Himself}}

When the Autobots launched their final strike, Arcee was part of the spearhead team hittting the [[Decepticon Heartland]]. She started off the 'tagging' of Decepticons to teleport them away from Earth, getting [[Incinerator (Movie)|Incinerator]] in the back and looking very happy about it. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 25|Revolution Part Three}}

{{Note|The following takes place in Star Screams letter column continuity.}}

Arcee runs a lonely-hearts ad column called Arcee's Soulmates in her spare time.

No, really.

===''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Grey DeLisle]] (English)
{{spoiler|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|July 24, 2009}}

[[Image:ROTF-Arceethree.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Now I'm my own threesome!]]

Arcee answered the call from Optimus Prime to join his Autobots on Earth. Her consciousness was split between three motorcycles, all which could transform into individual robots, yet all three together were considered simply "Arcee." Her components also have the ability to recombine into a single robot mode.<ref>The Arcee components combining into one robot mode is not shown in the film, but in all other media.</ref> Under Optimus Prime's command, she was part of the Autobot/human military alliance known as [[NEST]], whose job was to hunt the remaindered Decepticons hiding across the globe.

Arcee and the rest of NEST. were able to trace two Decepticons hidden in [[Shanghai]], [[China]]. When one of them, [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]], revealed himself, the three components of Arcee were released from a N.E.S.T. truck trailer. Though Arcee was able to surround Sideways with herself and cover him in firepower, the Decepticon was able to elude her by jumping through a building. Unfortunately for Sideways, Arcee was also accompanied by [[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]], who quickly put the Decepticon down.

While not on missions, Arcee was parked with the other Autobots in their hanger at [[Diego Garcia]]. It was here that the Autobots received word from the [[President of the United States]] via [[Theodore Galloway|Director Galloway]] that the White House was concerned that the Autobots' living on Earth was the reason for the Decepticon activity, and that if need be, they would ask the Autobots to leave. Later, after [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] died in battle and [[The Fallen]] issued an ultimatum to Earth, the US government decided that the Autobots would be shipped back to Diego Garcia.

NEST. had a different idea, and instead shipped Arcee and the other Autobots to [[Egypt]] on the advice of [[Sam Witwicky]], who had the means to resurrect Optimus Prime. During the climactic battle between NEST and The Fallen's Decepticons, Sam and Mikeala attempted to make their way through the bombed-out Egyptian town that had become the battlefield. Arcee arrived to escort them through the warzone, but unfortunately, her purple and pink components were disabled by [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|a Decepticon]], and only the blue component remained operational when she was last seen. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

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==Toys==
===Transformers (2007)===
====Scout Class toys====
[[Image:Arceemoviescout.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Not Chromia.]]
*'''Arcee''' (Target exclusive Scout Class, 2007)
**''Accessories'': Launcher, missile, scope, 2 tailpipes, "energon" star

: Arcee is a [[redeco]] of ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'' [[Arcee (Energon)|Arcee]], replacing her pinks and most of her whites and blacks with blue, and her translucent red with smoky brown plastic. She transforms into a "superbike"-type racing motorcycle. Unusually for a Transformer, she does not hold her weapon in her hands as most figures do. Instead, her Energon Bow mounts on a peg on either arm, with her hands being positioned to give the appearance of her using the bow. The bow itself is spring-loaded, firing a grey "arrow" missile.

:Arcee (and the rest of the Scout wave) were [[exclusive]] to Target stores, where they were all part of a [[Robo-Vision]] promotion. Arcee came with a [[Robo-Vision Decoder]] which allows you to see the Robo-Vision Code ("BULLSEYE") printed on her cardback. Starting [[June 2]], 2007, Target's website allowed users to input those codes to access exclusive content, a concept similar to the online [[Cyber Planet Key]] info from the ''Transformers: Cybertron'' toyline.

: This mold also was used to make ''Superlink'' Ariel Paradron Type, as well as the [[BotCon 2005]] ''[[Descent into Evil]]'' set's [[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]], [[Flamewar]], [[Flareup (Timelines)|Flareup]], and the fellow Target-exclusive movieverse [[Elita-One]].
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====Deluxe Class toys====
[[Image:Movie Deluxe Arcee toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Pretty in...purple?]]
*'''Arcee''' (Deluxe Class, 2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MA-11'''
**''Accessories:'' Launcher, missile

: Deluxe Arcee transforms into a purple 2006 Buell Firebolt XB12R motorcycle, genericised to get around licensing issues. Arcee has references [[Tampograph|tampographed]] on her vehicle mode, such as her motorcycle's model name, "RC 1100", and her Massachusetts license plate marked TF7407, the original release date of the movie.

: Arcee's [[Automorph|Automorphing]] feature is located in her crossbow weapon (formed out of the seat/storage area of the bike), activated when the projectile (the bike's tailpipe) is inserted, which pushes out the recurved lath parts on the sides of the weapon. The rectangular peg which is supposed to be used to attach her weapon to her forearm in robot mode is sometimes a poor fit, and the weapon may pop off. As an alternative, the round peg by which the weapon is attached in ''vehicle'' mode can also be used in robot mode, with a little rearranging of parts.

: Undocumented in the instructions, the two shoulder-mounted half-wheels contain a small niche on the edge of the tires. By folding the wheels down with the hubcaps pointing towards the chest and turning the tires towards the shoulders, one can feel the wheels gently click into place via the tire niches and hidden tabs in the shoulders, allowing the wheels to remain in place and more closely resemble the figure as pictured on its packaging.

: As with most larger Transformers toys that become motorcycles, Arcee has a kickstand on the left side of the bike; unfortunately, it's mounted so low that she will fall in the opposite direction if it is fully extended.


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[[Image:Movietoy-Arceebattledamaged.jpg|right|thumb|300px|She's a dirty girl.]]
*'''Battle damage three-pack''' (Sam's Club exclusive three-pack, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Launcher, missile

: A three-pack, exclusive to Sam's Club stores, consisting of redecos of Voyager Class [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and Deluxe Class Arcee, both with battle damage deco, and an unchanged Voyager Class [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]].

: This version of Arcee later was sold at Asia online retailers and in European retail stores in the same packaging as the first release of Arcee. The packaging did not indicate any of the changes made to the figure, apart from a sticker on the bubble exclaiming "Exclusive! Battle-damage!".
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[[Image:Movie Arcee Black toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Not [[Flamewar]] and not [[Nightbird (G1)|Nightbird]].]]
*'''Black Arcee''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MA-20'''
**''Accessories:'' Launcher, missile, Allspark cube

: This Japan-only [[redeco]] of Deluxe Class Arcee is cast in black in an attempt to match the look of the motorcycle [[William Lennox|Captain Lennox]] rides near the end of the film. Surprisingly, it is not [[Black repaint|evil]].

: Like all Japanese "Allspark Power" toys, black Arcee comes with a small Allspark cube accessory.
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[[Image:Movie Arcee Wonder Festival G1 redeco.jpg|thumb|300px|How progressive. Wait, wait, no... the other thing.]]
*'''Arcee Limited Special Color Version''' (Deluxe-sized toy, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Launcher, missile

:This Arcee is decoed in pink and white, in homage to Generation 1 [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]], and was exclusive to the Wonder Festival 2008 Winter in Tokyo, Japan.

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===''Revenge of the Fallen''===
====Deluxe class toys====
[[Image:ROTF_Deluxe_Chromia.jpg|thumb|300px|Hey, I'm Arcee too, sometimes! Well, actually most times.]]
*'''Chromia''' (2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-11'''
**''Accessories:'' Missile, display stand

:Chromia converts from a motorcycle to... a unicycle. Her vehicle mode weapon can plug into the right arm to serve as a handheld weapon or attach as a display stand for either mode, ironically making a unicycle robot one of the most stable robot-modes. In robot mode, there is a spring-loaded missile between the tailpipes on Chromia's left hand in addition to the aforementioned non-firing blaster-stand. There is also a piece on the bottom of the vehicle mode (or back of the robot mode) that folds out, but there is no indication in the instructions as to what this piece is for.

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[[Image:ROTF_Deluxe_Arcee_toy.jpg|thumb|300px|''Anorexia: it's a true shame.'']]
*'''Arcee''' (2009)
**''Japanese ID number:''
**''Accessories:'' Side-car/display stand

:Deluxe class ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' Arcee has a side-car which can become a weapon or a display stand.
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====Human Alliance====
*'''Autobot Skids / Arcee / Mikaela Banes''' (Human Alliance, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:''
**''Accessories:''

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==Trivia==
[[Image:Movie scale chart.jpg|right|300px|thumb|In the time before time...]]
* As part of [[BotCon 2007]]'s Hasbro tour, fans viewed "Robot Scale Chart v03", dated 11.22.05, which showed Arcee's height as 9' (2.7m). However, all of the designs on this chart were very early and later heavily revised (though [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]] was revised far less than the others).

* Arcee was originally going to be a member of the live-action movie's Autobot cast, but was later replaced by [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]. According to screenwriter [[Roberto Orci]], they would have needed to explain the point behind female robots, which there wasn't any time for in the movie.<ref>[http://movies.ign.com/articles/801/801098p3.html Roberto Orci explaining the reasons for Arcee's removal from the script in an interview with IGN.]</ref> In another interview, Alex Kurtzman cited "scale issues" as an additional reason for dropping Arcee; allegedly, Michael Bay simply considered her too small as compared to the rest of the Autobots.<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20070714214451/http://www.wizarduniverse.com/movies/transformersmovie/005082421.cfm?page=1 Wizard interview with Kurtzman and Orci]</ref> It's commonly assumed that Arcee's big part in the movie would have been the scene in which [[William Lennox]] starts his solo assault on [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]] using an abandoned motorcycle. However, the screenwriters rejected that notion, stating that this scene wasn't written until ''after'' Arcee had already been dropped from the script—but if she ''had'' remained in the movie, that scene ''would'' have probably featured her as the motorcycle.<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/2288318-post539.html Orci once again clearing up the story between Arcee and the motorcycle Lennox uses during the final battle]</ref>

* Arcee came ''this'' close to being killed off in ''The Reign of Starscream'', as the trade states that two revisions of the plot had her dying.

* Within the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie itself (and discussed in more detail in the novelization of the film), Arcee is revealed to be a "[[tripartite Cybertronian]]," meaning she is not one, but ''three'' motorcycles, who are controlled by a singular intelligence, in the vein of [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 cartoon]]. The ''Revenge of the Fallen'' toyline, however, has identified Arcee as only ''one'' of the bikes (the pink/red one), and characterized another (the blue one) as an individual, [[Chromia (ROTF)|Chromia]]. The third, [[purple motorcycle Autobot|purple bike]] has yet to receive any such treatment, but we fully expect it'll happen down the road at some point.
**In a similar vein, it was originally intended that the three individual "Arcees" would combine into a singular, larger robot in the film, but this did not come to pass. The toys do possess the ability, however, and the combined form did appear in the film's novelization, and in two panels of the [[Revenge of the Fallen Movie Adaptation|comic adaptation]] (although in the first of these two instances, it was colored solid blue, as if it were Chromia).
**How to reconcile this new version of Arcee with the version seen in media associated with the first movie? The [[bio]] for ''Revenge of the Fallen'''s [[Knock Out (ROTF)|Knock Out]] holds the answer! This motorbike Autobot wants to undergo the new "combiner retrofit" he's been hearing about, strongly implying that Arcee underwent the same process, giving her the new powers she has in ''Revenge of the Fallen''. Whether or not the process involves getting combined with other, distinct Autobots (as the toyline would suggest, what with Chromia being an individual) or if it involves the Transformer's body being converted so that it splits into combining components (as the movie itself would suggest) is unknown.
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==Footnotes==
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==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/TargetArcee/arcee.htm Arcee at TFU.info]

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Sentinel Prime (ROTF)

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:''Sentinel Prime is an Autobot in the [[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]] portion of the [[live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''

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'''Sentinel Prime''' is a Prime!

==Fiction==
===''Revenge of the Fallen'' film===
Sentinel Prime led an expedition where it took him fourteen galactic convergences to get an echo of something.

Whether or not he is one of [[Seven Primes|the original Primes]] or in the later [[Dynasty of Primes]] is uncertain. He does however seem to be one of the direct ancestors of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen Movie Adaptation issue 2}}

Sentinel Prime was mentioned in a rambling lecture of [[Sam Witwicky]]'s while under an [[All Spark]] fragment-induced trance. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

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Seven Primes

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The '''Seven Primes''' were the seven original leaders of Cybertron. Each possessed a form which differed greatly from their descendants. They travelled the galaxy looking for suns from which they could harvest Energon.

One of their number ''may'' be [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|called Sentinel]]. Another was [[the Fallen]] before...well...before he ''fell''.

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The Fallen

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[[Image:TheFallen_ROTF-AdaptationComic.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Not even the comic panel can contain him!]]

The true name of '''The Fallen''' is lost to the mists of time. He was one of the [[Thirteen original Transformers|original Cybertronians]], a brotherhood of vastly powerful beings dedicated to the well-being of [[Cybertron (planet)|their world]]. But The Fallen would gain his moniker by turning against his brothers and his purpose to pursue his own ends. This avarice gained him only imprisonment in another dimension, where he waits with eternal patience for the chance to unleash his dark powers once again. In the meantime, he has been able to make contact with willing servants among the [[Transformer]]s and issue orders to hasten his return.

Like his brothers, The Fallen is a [[multiversal singularity]], meaning that in all of the vast [[Continuity|multiverse]], there is only one incarnation of him. But he has appeared in different universes, and in each one, his goal and history are described with a unique flavor.

Did we mention that he is also on fire?

==Origins==
As explained in more detail below, The Fallen has been given different origin stories that may be at odds with each other. His ''[[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]]'' portrayal, wrapped in the [[Primus]]/[[Unicron]] mythology, presents him as having been created by Primus to oversee the orderly process of entropy throughout the universe. Fascinated by the idea of cosmic destruction, The Fallen fell under the sway of the ultimate destroyer, Unicron, and he tried to help his new master by sabotaging Primus's bodily form, Cybertron. This failed, and when Unicron lost the battle against Primus, both he and The Fallen were banished to another dimension. From then on, The Fallen craved only the release of his master and the ultimate death of the universe.

This cosmology is reinforced by The Fallen's brief [[Unicron Trilogy]] appearance, where he is seen among the other 13 original Transformers, some of whom are known to have also survived to the present day.

However, his ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' portrayal lacks the Primus/Unicron element; the only creative power is the [[All Spark]], a far more impersonal entity. The Fallen and his fellow "Primes," who were not actually "Transformers" per se, had one mission: to recharge the All Spark by siphoning solar energy. The Fallen's crimes were that he wanted all of that energy for himself, and he was willing to sacrifice an inhabited world (Earth) to do it. His brother Primes did stop him, but at the cost of their own lives. Despite (or perhaps because of) their deaths, they were able to imprison The Fallen in another dimension, from whence he plots and schemes his escape.

So, while similar in form, The Fallen's stories disagree in many details. The ''Revenge of the Fallen'' universe is still being fleshed out, so perhaps future information will clarify the questionable areas.

==Fiction==
===''Generation 1''===
====Dreamwave comics continuity====

[[Image:Thefallenseeksfour.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Hey, The Fallen, ever heard of Tums?]]
When Primus and Unicron first battled as planets, Primus created the first 13 Transformers to assist him in planet mode. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}} The Fallen's original purpose as one of the 13 was to oversee entropy, the orderly dissolution of all things in preparation for the next creation. But the concept of destruction fascinated him too much, and he lost sight of the goal of rebirth and the necessity of restraint. His investigations into the dark sciences led him to Unicron, to whom he gave himself. <ref>[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/toys/titanium/the-fallen/1126/2/9/ Fallen's ''Titanium Series'' on-package bio]</ref> Corrupted by Unicron, the Fallen then tried to sabotage his creator's body. This attempt ended in failure, and "The Fallen" fled to his master, but there was little refuge to be found: They were both sucked into a [[black hole]]. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}}

Approximately 7 million years before the 21st century, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] were lost in a [[space bridge]] accident. This accident weakened the barrier between reality and the dimension in which The Fallen was trapped, allowing The Fallen to eventually break free and return to Cybertron.

[[Image:Thefallen.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Ah, you know it's funny, these people, they go to sleep, they think everything's fine, everything's good... They wake up the next day and they're on fire.]]

The Fallen immediately set about initiating the "[[Unbinding]]", an event which required four particular Transformers, who would function as "angles in the geometry of dissolution". To help him round up the required Transformers, the Fallen recruited a [[Chaos Trinity|trio of Decepticon outcasts]], [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], [[Mindwipe]], and [[Bugly]], who hungered for a command of the occult. The Fallen promised them all manner of dark powers in exchange for serving him. Leading his three followers to a hidden room within Cybertron, he named [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] as the first of the angles to be gathered. {{storylink|Fragmentation}}

The Fallen and company proceeded to construct a strange machine within the [[Well of All Sparks]] in preparation for the Unbinding. Unfortunately, Bludgeon and friends got impatient for more than The Fallen's praise and demanded a more tangible reward: the arcane power he had promised them. The Fallen responded by grabbing Bludgeon’s head and giving him a mere glimpse of what he sought: images of a fiery vortex, demonic faces, stabbing swords and a human skull engulfed Bludgeon. The Fallen stated that this was but a peek inside a dark door he would fully open if they served him well. This left Bludgeon suitably inspired to begin hunting down their targets.

[[Image:Thefallengrimlock.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Someone should tell Grimlock this more often.]]

Bugly and Mindwipe leaked information to draw the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] out into combat with [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], while Bludgeon hatched a plot to snare both Grimlock and[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]. {{storylink|Escalation (IDW)|Escalation}} Bludgeon, Bugly, and Mindwipe ambushed Jetfire as he attempted a cross-faction meeting with [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. When Grimlock crashed the party earlier than they expected, however, The Fallen himself had to intervene and caught Grimlock’s blazing energo-sword in his bare hand. {{storylink|Revelation (The Dark Ages)|Revelation}}

Grimlock took one punch from The Fallen yet still got back up, so The Fallen grabbed him by the shoulders and unleashed a huge blast of energy that put the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] leader out cold. He dragged Grimlock and Jetfire away and commanded his followers to gather the third angle while he handled the fourth. The Fallen singlehandedly abducted [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] from his well-guarded holding cell in Autobot headquarters, shrugging off attacks by some of the Autobots' best warriors and causing their weapons to corrode away into uselessness with a mere gesture. Bludgeon's team, meanwhile, succeeded in acquiring [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]] from the Protectobots.

[[Image:Fallenmoreonfire.jpg|right|thumb|250px|The Fallen somehow sets himself ''more on fire''.]]

All four angles were strapped to the device in the Well of All Sparks. Launching into full B-movie villain mode, The Fallen theatrically monologued to the awakening Jetfire that they were casualties in the war of the Gods, and would be used to break the Seal of Primus, after which "all chaos will follow". {{storylink|Confrontation (issue)|Confrontation}}

The Fallen continued his villainous monologue, apparently directing it not at Jetfire but at Primus himself, as the four Transformers' unique sparks were drained to unlock the Seal of Primus. A combined army of forces from several factions defeated the Chaos Trinity and penetrated The Fallen's operation, while Jetfire arranged a force-field to contain the energy of Primus. The God of Light himself was subsequently roused from his slumber; with a gesture of his radiant hand, he engulfed his wayward creation in a torrent of searing energy that was then sucked back into the Seal of Primus. {{storylink|Conflagration}}
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===Unicron Trilogy===
====''Cybertron'' comic====
[[Image:Vectorprimeut.jpg|thumb|140px|Back, and to the left.]]
[[Vector Prime]]'s reminiscences of his mission and history included standing with his fellow 13 original Transformers, The Fallen's silhouette visible in their ranks. {{storylink|Vector Prime: In the Beginning}}

{{note|This story and comments by [[Hasbro]] copy-writer [[Forest Lee]] are the basis of the notion that The Fallen, Vector Prime, and the other original 13 are singular entities with no duplicates throughout the multiverse. This was reiterated at [[BotCon 2009]], even in the face of the upcoming ''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie. Brave men these Hasbro writers be!}}
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===Live-action film series===
====IDW ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics====
[[Image:Defianceissue4-creation.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Look [[Prima|familiar]]?]]

According to what The Fallen told [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] as part of the latter's recruitment, The Fallen and his brothers were the first creations of the [[All Spark]]. The planet that would become [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] was mostly barren, but as the All Spark gradually shaped Cybertron around them and gave The Fallen and his brothers power beyond measure, the All Spark became depleted. They learned that the its power could be replenished by harvesting the energy of stars, but they were unable to locate new stars to suit their purposes, despite their amazing ability to travel between dimensions using triangular "sarcophagi."

A breakthrough came when the All Spark created for them [[Transformer|workers]] that had a power of their own: They could change their forms! Some, called "[[Seeker (body-type)|seeker]]s," could even change into interstellar crafts that could locate suns for them. But as the workers built a [[Solar Harvester|solar harvester]] on [[Earth]] to gather this solar energy, The Fallen wondered evil thoughts. What if only one harvested the energy? What if the power was his alone?

The Fallen betrayed his brothers. To erase their existence, he destroyed their sarcophagi, in which their life forces were stored. But this drained him of almost all his energy, and while he was weak, the brothers he thought he had killed... acted. They sacrificed themselves to trap him in a fiery dimension within his own sarcophagus, while the harvester on Earth was covered by the [[Human|natives]] with a pyramid. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}

[[Image:Defiance4_Megatron_TheFallen.jpg|thumb|300px|All right, who changed the thermostat!?]]

Knowledge of this was lost through the ages, and eons later, a mysterious pylon was found buried on Cybertron by modern-day Transformers and delivered to Megatron's private quarters. Unbeknownst to them all, this was the sarcophagus of The Fallen, and upon activation, it healed the grievously-wounded Cybertronian military leader and established contact between him and its prisoner. Filled with a new resolve to destroy those who sought out the All Spark, Megatron's optics were tinted red by the encounter. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 2}} In the aftermath of Megatron's ruthless battle against a band of aliens seeking the All Spark, The Fallen further counseled him to seize control of Cybertron to make way for The Fallen's return. He also told him that [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] sought the All Spark for himself, and Megatron immediately decided that Optimus and his followers deserved to be killed for this transgression. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 3}}

But simply taking the planet would not be enough. The Fallen also ordered Megatron to build a [[Nemesis (Movie)|space cruiser]] to seek out the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]], which he said was a prerequisite to his return. As the ship's construction came to an end, The Fallen told Megatron the story of his origin (recounted above) and his plans regarding the harvester on Earth. The Fallen ordered Megatron to put his sarcophagus on the ship and then stay behind to fight Optimus's forces and safeguard the All Spark. [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] and a majority of the Decepticon soldiers crewed the ship, which ended up crashing on some barren world under unknown circumstances.

Meanwhile on Cybertron, civil war raged between Optimus's Autobots and Megatron's Decepticons, a war which eventually led to the All Spark being launched into space. As Megatron alone pursued the hurtling cube, he picked up a distress signal from the ''Nemesis.'' He found the crashed ship and within it the still-intact sarcophagus. He once again spoke with The Fallen, who was furious that Megatron had taken this detour from his pursuit of the All Spark. He ordered him to resume the chase immediately, confident that it would guide itself to the harvester. Megatron obeyed, leaving the sarcophagus in the barren wreckage. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}
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====''I Can Read'' storybook continuity====
[[Image:TheFallen-thrownintospace.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Maybe Prime doesn't want your stupid face!]]
Earth has a new threat, and his name is The Fallen! He flies towards Earth. Since he feeds on energy, he is more powerful than even Megatron! He plans to absorb the energy of Earth's Sun.

Thankfully, Optimus Prime and his Autobots are here to stop him. Ultimately, The Fallen is thrown through a portal leading into outer space. {{storylink|I Am Optimus Prime (ROTF)|I Am Optimus Prime}}
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====DK ''Transformers: The Movie Universe'' book====
The original Transformers, all of them Primes, were united by a directive that safeguarded all life, and as such they refused to utilize the harvester on the inhabited Earth. One of their number, however, decided "I want Energon!" and slaughtered his brothers so he could harvest the Sun. He threw away his original name became the Fallen. In the end, he slaughtered all of his brethren, but they were still able to imprison him in a pocket dimension and save the Earth. In the process, his appearance had changed to a terrifying, cage-like exostructure burning with chaotic energies from the universe's creation, forces that had purged him of all morality. Since his body was never meant to contain the unholy power flowing through it, he had to steadily vent that energy to ensure his own continued existence. This created the visual effect of a constant fiery nimbus.

While effectively harmless to the universe outside his prison, his powers remained vast: He could generate space bridges spontaneously, as well as focus his energies into discrete blasts that could unmake creation itself. Were he ever able to escape, he would be a supremely powerful danger. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe|The Movie Universe}}

====Titan Magazines ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics====

[[Image:Titan1_FallenStarscream.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Behold my <strike>resting</strike> mighty hand!]]

The sinister figure of the Fallen made contact with [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] soon after Megatron's death, using him to organise the Decepticon army and lay the groundwork for his return, his... revenge! He ordered Starscream and his forces to go to Cybertron and await further instruction, and promised that once the Matrix was found, [[Earth]] would ''burn''! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.1|Training Day}}

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====''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Tony Todd]]
{{spoiler|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|July 24, 2009}}

Seventeen thousand years ago, the Fallen went against the wishes of [[Seven Primes|his brothers]] and tried to harvest the sun of [[Earth|an inhabited planet]]. However, the Fallen was defeated and the remaining Primes hid themselves and the [[Matrix of Leadership (Movie)|Matrix of Leadership]], and the Fallen's [[solar harvester]] was concealed within a pyramid in [[Egypt]]. the Fallen became known as the first [[Decepticon]], and he became the master of [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], leader of the faction. He employed Megatron in the pursuit of the [[All Spark]], but after Megatron's defeat at [[Mission City]], the All Spark was reduced to a mere fragment.
[[Image:ROTFteaser2_firerobot.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Not shown: all the Autobots yet to be composited into this shot.]]
Upon Megatron's revival he traveled to the ''[[Nemesis (ROTF)|Nemesis]]'', currently lying wrecked on one of [[Saturn]]'s moons, and prostrated himself before the Fallen. His master revealed the true nature of the All Spark and its continued survival within the human, [[Sam Witwicky]]. The Fallen also explained that the only threat to him was the last surviving [[Prime (ROTF)|Prime]], [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]]. He ordered Megatron to use the boy to draw Prime out.

With the death of the last remaining Prime, Optimus Prime, the Fallen made his move. He and several other Decepticons traveled to the Earth's surface in [[transition form|re-entry mode]]s, destroying an aircraft carrier as well as attacking several cities. The Fallen tapped into Earth's communication network, and announced the presence of the Transformers on Earth on worldwide television, demanding the humans hand over Sam.

Unfortunately, Sam was in Egypt hunting for the Matrix of Leadership after being told it might be able to revive Optimus. He succeeded, but moments after Prime's resurrection, the Fallen appeared amongst the assorted NEST troops, pinning Optimus and stealing the Matrix. He then teleported to the now uncovered harvester and used the Matrix to power it. While it charged, he demonstrated his considerable power by destroying the attacking military forces with telekinesis, but a super-powered Optimus Prime, now fused with [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]], destroyed the harvester. After a short but intense battle, Optimus ripped off the Fallen's face and killed him by punching through his abdomen, as a wounded Megatron watched in horror.{{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

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==Games==
===''Revenge of the Fallen: The Game''===
:''Voice actor:'' [[James Arnold Taylor]]

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==Toys==
===Titanium Series===
[[Image:Thefallentitanium.JPG|right|thumb|300px|Hey, Stegmutt! Mister The Fallen is ON FIRE!]]
*'''Fallen''' (6-inch Cybertron Heroes, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Display stand
: Instead of being based on his comic appearance, the Fallen toy is loosely based on [[Don Figueroa]]'s design for pre-[[Earth]] [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] as seen in ''[[Infiltration]]'' and ''[[Stormbringer (comics)|Stormbringer]]'', though obviously with The Fallen's head and deco. He transforms into a Cybertronic tank. Sadly his tank form doesn't hold together well, nor does he have actual hands, just blocks with holes in them. His side-mounted cannons can peg into his forearms in robot mode, or be held in his fists. He wears a faction symbol of his own effigy. So far, The Fallen is, by a fraction of an inch, the tallest (and the bulkiest) of the 6" Titanium Series figures.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Unicron/TheFallen/thefallen.htm More information on The Fallen at TFU.info]''

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===Revenge of the Fallen===
====Legends Class====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenLegends.jpg|right|thumb|300px|''*high-pitched helium voice*'' "I am the Faaallllleeeen!"]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Legends, 2009)
:Part of wave 3 of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends Class toys, The Fallen transforms from robot mode to a Cybertronian Destroyer.

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[[Image:ROTF_Legends_TheFallen_Lawson.jpg|thumb|300px|What, how dare they make me so small?! I was worshipped as a ''GOD!'']]
*'''Soundwave / EZ Collection The Fallen''' (2009)
:Available exclusively at the Lawson's convenience store in Japan (and the only way to obtain this figure in via TakaraTomy), this version of Legends class The Fallen has more paint applications than the Hasbro release. The Deluxe-class Preview Soundwave it comes with is unchanged from the regular release. Preorders opened on [[May 1]]st and close on [[June 30]]th, and the figure itself ships on [[October 16]]th.

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====Voyager Class====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenVoyager.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Smokin'!]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Voyager, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RD-10'''

:Part of wave two of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Voyager Class figures, The Fallen transforms from a robot into a "Cybertronian Destroyer" mode. The robot mode features several "slide-out energy absorption panels" on his head and arms which can either be deployed or hidden. In addition to that [[Mech Alive]] feature, his feet are spring-actioned so that when the toy is not standing on a surface (in other words, in jet mode), the toes ball up together. Setting the robot back down on a flat surface will splay the toes open again.

:There are rubbery connectors that attach his arms to his torso that increase accuracy to his visual portrayal in the live-action film, but this restricts his arm movement severely.

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[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenVoyagerorange.jpg|right|thumb|250px|CAUTION: HOT]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Voyager, 2009)

:A Target-[[exclusive]] redeco of The Fallen in a black and translucent orange colour scheme, both to homage the Fallen's original appearance in the Generation 1 continuity and presumably to show him being "on fire".
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*'''Gathering at Nemesis''' (Toys "R" Us-exclusive box set, 2009)
: This version of The Fallen comes with a silver Voyager Class Megatron from the first movie toyline and a ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Soundwave [[redeco]]ed in predominantly blue as an homage to the original Soundwave. It is unknown at this time if this The Fallen will have color differences.
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====Robot Replicas====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenRobotReplica.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Yes! We come from France!]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Robot Replica, 2009)
:This nonconvertible figurine of The Fallen boasts several points of articulation, a faithful replication of the robot mode, and little else.
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==Merchandise==
===7-11 Slurpee tie-in merchandise===
[[Image:ROTFmerchandise-TheFallenstraw.jpg|right|thumb|150px|''Great'' Transformers tie-in merchandise or the ''greatest'' Transformers tie-in merchandise?]]
*'''The Fallen'''
: The Fallen will help you uncreate your Slurpee with this Slurpee straw topper figurine! Comes attached to a straw in a baggie and is available at your local 7-11 while supplies last!
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===Burger King===
[[Image:ROTFmerchandise-BurgerKingTheFallen.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Flame grilled to perfection]]
*'''The Fallen Flip-Out''' (2009)
:An embossed [[Giant Decepticon insignia|plastic Decepticon insignia]], which flips up into a flat representation of The Fallen with some shoulder articulation. The Fallen, naturally, has flames behind him.
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===Robot Heroes===
*'''Battle for the Fallen''' (box set, 2009)
:This ''[[Robot Heroes]]'' box set of figures comes with The Fallen, Megatron (tank mode), Optimus Prime and [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] combined, and [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] (truck mode).

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==Notes==
[[Image:Fallenpatlee.jpg|right|thumb|150px|I'm The Fallen, and I can't get up!]]

* The Fallen design was created by [[Pat Lee]], his first (and only) original Transformers character. ([[Simon Furman]] created the concept, see next item.) The early design concept not only lacked The Fallen's characteristic mouthplate, but differed incredibly from the final product. Envisioned as a medieval, ancient-looking Transformer, he glowed like a furnace, though he was not depicted as being perpetually on fire until [[Andrew Wildman]] penciled his appearances in ''[[The Dark Ages]]'' and the colorists caught on.

* The Fallen was also used to recycle some of Simon Furman's unused [[Last Autobot]] plans.[http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~sstoneb/tf/tidbits/otfcc2004.txt]

*When questioned about him constantly being aflame, ''War Within'' writer Simon Furman stated that The Fallen is always on fire "because it looks cool".

[[Image:Thefallentank.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The Judasmobile.]]
*The Fallen's Dreamwave comics [[altmode]], a tank, though designed, was never used in-fiction.

*Very little of The Fallen's backstory was given in his first fictional appearances, leaving much of ''The Dark Ages'' somewhat confusing on its own. Helpful inserts from the ''More Than Meets the Eye'' profile books and DK's ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'', published around the same time, spelled out more. Eventually, the packaging profile printed on his Titanium figure gave the rest. Oh, and then years later, he was the titular villain of a summer blockbuster film.

* The proper treatment of his name, with its capital-T "The", is established both in the comics and the ''Ultimate Guide''. The one dissenting source is his on-package [[bio]], which simply calls him "'''Fallen'''" (as in, "'''Fallen''' forgot his real name long ago"). The reason for this awkward treatment is unknown, though the usual culprits behind toy-name oddities are [[trademark]] issues.

* The Fallen can speak Spanish. ''"Estoy en fuego!"''<ref>Fanclub-exclusive Mini Mayhem strip, March 19, 2007</ref>

* During San Diego Comic-Con 2008, in an interview on July 25th, [[Simon Furman]] claimed that ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]'' would feature a character called the Fallen, which was a character they created for Dreamwave's ''The War Within: The Dark Ages''.<ref>[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17412 Simon Furman confirms The Fallen is a character in an interview with Comic Book Resources (Fallen details removed)]</ref> Three days later, [[IDW Publishing]] writer [[Chris Mowry]] corroborated the claim in an interview with MTV Splash Page, calling "The Fallen" the main villain of the film.<ref>[http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/07/28/exclusive-transformers-2-prequel-comic-gives-inside-scoop-on-2009-movie/ MTV Splash Page interviews Chris Mowry (Fallen details removed)]</ref> Less than a week after this, however, [[Michael Bay]] reiterated that everything leaked thus far is part of their misinformation campaign and that only a handful of people involved with the production of ''Revenge'' have seen the script, contradicting IDW's interviews where their representatives confirm that they have the script.<ref>[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44729&postcount=2 A post made by Michael Bay on his forum]</ref> Curiously, on August 5th 2008, after a fan posted on Michael Bay's forum pointing out the contradiction, all references to The Fallen were removed from the aforementioned interviews, as well as any references to IDW Publishing having the script.

* In Titan ''Transformers Comic'' [[Aftermath Part 2]], the newly-ascendant [[President of the United States]] is named [[Theodore Allen|'''The'''odore '''F. Allen''']]. It remains to be seen if the wordplay has any significance beyond the fact that he is under Decepticon [[Cerebro-strip|mind-control]].

* The Fallen's head and face in ''Revenge of The Fallen'' appears to be some sort of blend of the [[Decepticon]] [[insignia]], [[Egypt|Pharaoh]], and the [[Wikipedia:Alien (film)|Alien]].

* The Fallen never actually transforms in ''Revenge of The Fallen'' and his primary weapon is a very large staff.

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Thirteen

2009-06-26T21:26:31Z

Boba Fett: /* Revenge of the Fallen movie */

[[Image:Original13.jpg|center|500px|thumb|Guess the one on fire!]]
{{quote|We are the 13, the first, the forgotten, each of us serving a function vital to the survival of the universe. Each of us designated a Prime and given a function to serve during the long march of infinity.|Vector Prime|"[[Vector Prime: In the Beginning]]"}}

When [[Primus]] first created [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], he created a crew of '''thirteen living robotic beings''' to man him. These beings, in imitation of [[Unicron]]'s transformation abilities, were able to change their forms into the likeness of vehicles, weapons, and machinery. They were the first Transformers and all "[[Prime (rank)|Primes]]". Many of the thirteen died in a cataclysmic first battle with Unicron, where he was sucked down into a black hole and trapped along with his acolyte known as [[The Fallen]], one of the thirteen who had turned against his brothers and joined Unicron. Of those that survived, many abandoned their original functions and were lost to time. Only [[Vector Prime]] was known to still be following the path he was set upon by Primus.

==The thirteen==
[[Image:Vectorprimeut.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Vector Prime steps forward from the First Thirteen Tabernacle Choir with a heartfelt solo.]]
The identities of most of the thirteen remain shrouded in mystery.

'''Confirmed members are:'''
*[[Prima]], the first [[Matrix|Matrix-bearer]] and first Transformer born from Cybertron, leader of the 13.<ref><tt>Sentinel Prime was one of a dynasty of Primes, stretching back to the original '''13 Transformers''' and their leader, Prima.</tt> — ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' (2005) 1st ed p15, "Sentinel Prime"</ref>
*"[[The Fallen]]" (original name unknown), the guardian of entropy.
*[[Vector Prime]], the guardian of space and time.
*Logos Prime, also known as [[Soundblaster (Cybertron)|Soundblaster]]. The ''Beast Wars Reborn'' text story establishes Soundblaster as an "[[Ancients|Ancient]]", equal with Vector Prime. There is also a silhouette resembling him in the image from the ''[[World of Transformers]]'' web site, found at the top of this article.
*[[Nexus Maximus]], the guardian of the multiverse's [[Rarified Energon]], capable of splitting into 5 smaller robots:
**[[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]]
**[[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]]
**[[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]]
**[[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]]
**[[Heatwave]]

'''Possible members are:'''
*The Liege Maximo; he was confirmed in [[Simon Furman]]'s "[[Alignment]]" story as one of the first thirteen, but that story was "unofficial" and of debatable canonicity.
*[[Maccadam]]; rumor on Cybertron says that he is one of the thirteen and that his bar exists outside regular space-time, linking all realities, though sometimes this rumor is chalked up to the imaginations of the bar's drunken patrons. The story "[[Prime Spark]]" from the ''[[Transformers Legends]]'' anthology confirms half of this rumor, portraying the bar as a multiversal nexus of sorts, though not making any specific revelations about Maccadam himself. The anthology labels all its stories as not being part of mainstream continuity, so its revelations [[author intent|could be viewed]] as irrelevant.
*The [[Last Autobot]]; according to the words he spoke "Since Cybertron's Creation, I have slumbered within the planet, awaiting a time long foreseen by your creator, Primus", it can be inferred that he might be one of the thirteen.

Numerous other very ancient Transformers exist—[[Boltax]], steward of the [[Underbase]], and the [[Keeper (Transformer)|Keeper]], protector of the slumbering Primus—but none have been included in the ranks of the thirteen.

==Functions==
Aside from their base functions as "crew" for Primus's planet form and their duty to battle Unicron, the quote above hints that each was given another charge. Three of the four known members of the thirteen were also charged with protecting specific aspects of the multiverse. It is possible, but unconfirmed, that each of the other ten might also have originally had an assigned role as guardian to some aspect of reality.

Vector Prime was tasked with overseeing the space and time continuum. The Prime who would eventually become the Fallen was tasked with overseeing the process of entropy. Nexus Maximus was tasked with overseeing the [[multiverse]]'s Rarified Energon.

==Multiversal singularities==
The original thirteen are [[Multiversal singularity|multiversal singularities]] like Primus and Unicron, with each character spanning the whole multiverse. For example, though The Fallen originated from the Dreamwave Generation 1 continuity, there is one of him in whatever universe Vector Prime, a [[Unicron Trilogy]] character, originated. Vector Prime's stewardship of Primus's children throughout multiple timelines and universes certainly lends credence to it as well.

==Live-action movie franchise==

===IDW ''Transformers'' movie comics===
{{note|This origin information was given by the Fallen and clashes with the above multiversal-true-to-all-continuities origin.}}
[[Image:Defianceissue4-creation.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The Thirteen being created.]]
A race of beings that included the Fallen were the first creations of the [[All Spark]]. They were extremely powerful and able to travel across dimensions. The Allspark then created the [[Transformer]]s to seek out stars that could replenish itself. The Fallen decided he wanted the Allspark's power for himself, and so slew the rest of his brothers...but they trapped him within a sarcophagus in the process. A long time passed, and he was eventually dug up. From his prison, he then pushed [[Megatron (Movie)|High Protector Megatron]] into forming the Decepticons. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}

===DK Transformers: The Movie Universe book===
{{note|This origin information was given by Simon Furman and '''also''' clashes with the above multiversal-true-to-all-continuities origin.}}

The All Spark created "the Primes". One of their number, however, fought the other twelve as he prepared to harvest the power of [[Earth]]'s sun. In the end, he slaughtered all of his brethren, but they were still able to imprison this Fallen being in a pocket dimension and save the Earth. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe|The Movie Universe}}

===''Revenge of the Fallen''===
{{note|The ROTF adaptations have thirteen Primes. The film itself has only seven instead.}}

::''See [[Seven Primes]]''

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==Trivia==
*IDW comics talked repeatedly about a planned/potential miniseries telling the story of the Thirteen. What similarity this new telling would have to the previous original thirteen stories is unknown. Hasbro became quite involved, and Simon Furman stated that it "seems pretty likely that Vector Prime will be amongst the 13, the Liege Maximo too, and possibly Alpha Trion. But nothing’s set in stone here yet." [http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=5032] No release date for this series was ever set. As of Botcon 09, IDW says this series is off their publishing schedule, presumably till further notice.

==References==
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Thirteen

2009-06-26T21:25:41Z

Boba Fett: /* Revenge of the Fallen movie */

[[Image:Original13.jpg|center|500px|thumb|Guess the one on fire!]]
{{quote|We are the 13, the first, the forgotten, each of us serving a function vital to the survival of the universe. Each of us designated a Prime and given a function to serve during the long march of infinity.|Vector Prime|"[[Vector Prime: In the Beginning]]"}}

When [[Primus]] first created [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], he created a crew of '''thirteen living robotic beings''' to man him. These beings, in imitation of [[Unicron]]'s transformation abilities, were able to change their forms into the likeness of vehicles, weapons, and machinery. They were the first Transformers and all "[[Prime (rank)|Primes]]". Many of the thirteen died in a cataclysmic first battle with Unicron, where he was sucked down into a black hole and trapped along with his acolyte known as [[The Fallen]], one of the thirteen who had turned against his brothers and joined Unicron. Of those that survived, many abandoned their original functions and were lost to time. Only [[Vector Prime]] was known to still be following the path he was set upon by Primus.

==The thirteen==
[[Image:Vectorprimeut.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Vector Prime steps forward from the First Thirteen Tabernacle Choir with a heartfelt solo.]]
The identities of most of the thirteen remain shrouded in mystery.

'''Confirmed members are:'''
*[[Prima]], the first [[Matrix|Matrix-bearer]] and first Transformer born from Cybertron, leader of the 13.<ref><tt>Sentinel Prime was one of a dynasty of Primes, stretching back to the original '''13 Transformers''' and their leader, Prima.</tt> — ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' (2005) 1st ed p15, "Sentinel Prime"</ref>
*"[[The Fallen]]" (original name unknown), the guardian of entropy.
*[[Vector Prime]], the guardian of space and time.
*Logos Prime, also known as [[Soundblaster (Cybertron)|Soundblaster]]. The ''Beast Wars Reborn'' text story establishes Soundblaster as an "[[Ancients|Ancient]]", equal with Vector Prime. There is also a silhouette resembling him in the image from the ''[[World of Transformers]]'' web site, found at the top of this article.
*[[Nexus Maximus]], the guardian of the multiverse's [[Rarified Energon]], capable of splitting into 5 smaller robots:
**[[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]]
**[[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]]
**[[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]]
**[[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]]
**[[Heatwave]]

'''Possible members are:'''
*The Liege Maximo; he was confirmed in [[Simon Furman]]'s "[[Alignment]]" story as one of the first thirteen, but that story was "unofficial" and of debatable canonicity.
*[[Maccadam]]; rumor on Cybertron says that he is one of the thirteen and that his bar exists outside regular space-time, linking all realities, though sometimes this rumor is chalked up to the imaginations of the bar's drunken patrons. The story "[[Prime Spark]]" from the ''[[Transformers Legends]]'' anthology confirms half of this rumor, portraying the bar as a multiversal nexus of sorts, though not making any specific revelations about Maccadam himself. The anthology labels all its stories as not being part of mainstream continuity, so its revelations [[author intent|could be viewed]] as irrelevant.
*The [[Last Autobot]]; according to the words he spoke "Since Cybertron's Creation, I have slumbered within the planet, awaiting a time long foreseen by your creator, Primus", it can be inferred that he might be one of the thirteen.

Numerous other very ancient Transformers exist—[[Boltax]], steward of the [[Underbase]], and the [[Keeper (Transformer)|Keeper]], protector of the slumbering Primus—but none have been included in the ranks of the thirteen.

==Functions==
Aside from their base functions as "crew" for Primus's planet form and their duty to battle Unicron, the quote above hints that each was given another charge. Three of the four known members of the thirteen were also charged with protecting specific aspects of the multiverse. It is possible, but unconfirmed, that each of the other ten might also have originally had an assigned role as guardian to some aspect of reality.

Vector Prime was tasked with overseeing the space and time continuum. The Prime who would eventually become the Fallen was tasked with overseeing the process of entropy. Nexus Maximus was tasked with overseeing the [[multiverse]]'s Rarified Energon.

==Multiversal singularities==
The original thirteen are [[Multiversal singularity|multiversal singularities]] like Primus and Unicron, with each character spanning the whole multiverse. For example, though The Fallen originated from the Dreamwave Generation 1 continuity, there is one of him in whatever universe Vector Prime, a [[Unicron Trilogy]] character, originated. Vector Prime's stewardship of Primus's children throughout multiple timelines and universes certainly lends credence to it as well.

==Live-action movie franchise==

===IDW ''Transformers'' movie comics===
{{note|This origin information was given by the Fallen and clashes with the above multiversal-true-to-all-continuities origin.}}
[[Image:Defianceissue4-creation.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The Thirteen being created.]]
A race of beings that included the Fallen were the first creations of the [[All Spark]]. They were extremely powerful and able to travel across dimensions. The Allspark then created the [[Transformer]]s to seek out stars that could replenish itself. The Fallen decided he wanted the Allspark's power for himself, and so slew the rest of his brothers...but they trapped him within a sarcophagus in the process. A long time passed, and he was eventually dug up. From his prison, he then pushed [[Megatron (Movie)|High Protector Megatron]] into forming the Decepticons. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}

===DK Transformers: The Movie Universe book===
{{note|This origin information was given by Simon Furman and '''also''' clashes with the above multiversal-true-to-all-continuities origin.}}

The All Spark created "the Primes". One of their number, however, fought the other twelve as he prepared to harvest the power of [[Earth]]'s sun. In the end, he slaughtered all of his brethren, but they were still able to imprison this Fallen being in a pocket dimension and save the Earth. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe|The Movie Universe}}

===''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie===
{{note|The ROTF adaptations have thirteen Primes. The film itself has only seven instead.}}

::''See [[Seven Primes]]''

{{-}}

==Trivia==
*IDW comics talked repeatedly about a planned/potential miniseries telling the story of the Thirteen. What similarity this new telling would have to the previous original thirteen stories is unknown. Hasbro became quite involved, and Simon Furman stated that it "seems pretty likely that Vector Prime will be amongst the 13, the Liege Maximo too, and possibly Alpha Trion. But nothing’s set in stone here yet." [http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=5032] No release date for this series was ever set. As of Botcon 09, IDW says this series is off their publishing schedule, presumably till further notice.

==References==
<references/>

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Seven Primes

2009-06-26T21:24:58Z

Boba Fett:

{{cleanup||I've honestly no idea how to go about this one}}

The '''Seven Primes''' were the seven original leaders of Cybertron. Each possessed a form which differed greatly from their descendants. They travelled the galaxy looking for suns from which they could harvest Energon.

One of their number ''may'' be [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|called Sentinel]]. Another was the [[Fallen]] before...well...before he ''fell''.

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Talk:Thirteen

2009-06-23T22:03:36Z

Boba Fett: /* Logos Prime */

{{Note|At the Botcon 2009 Question panel, [[Forest Lee]] (Hasbro's internal TF continuity guy) when asked what The Fallen would be like in "Shattered Glass" finally stated explicitly that The Fallen '''was''' a multiversal singularity-- there is no "SG" Fallen.. there is only The Fallen, one guy. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:14, 3 June 2009 (EDT) reported by Walky}}

==Multiversal singularities==
Are the first 13 all "continuity singularities" as Primus and Unicron are? One version existing across all realities? Vector Prime definately seems to be, and Maccadam as well if you include "Prime Spark" as cannon. Thoughts? [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 11:51, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

How can Unicron jump continuities wih all his different HISTORIES? he spent MILLIONS OF YEARS as Cybertrons' MOON fergods sake!

The whole singularities thing is a godawful mess. You have to start acceptign that Unicron, who DEMONSTRABLY spends tens or tens of MILLIONs of years in individual continuities is time-travelign as WELL as jumping continuities. Which is fine, but for some reason in the Armada comic he doesn't, and no one's ever even HEARD of Unicron before, he's a completely external threat with no history in this universe.

But then, I think brad Mick intended Thundercracker to be one of the 13, so what do I know? It's not like I have a decent track record at pattern recognition or anything... ''*cough*predaconpolitics*cough*''

Also, IS Primus a singularity across all continuities? I could have sworn we saw him DIE. ''I hate the sucky TFU-type Multiverse! it sucks, it sucks '''so hard''' Gregory!'' -[[User:Derik|Derik]]

...why is it impossible that no one's ever heard of Unicron in the Armada universe until he shows up? It makes perfect sense to me. Hell, the only person who's ever even investigated or shown more than a little interest Cybertron's past in the Armadaverse is Overrun, and he was from another universe anyway. If there's only one Unicron and infinite universes, of COURSE he's going to be new to some of them! Derik, start making sense. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:27, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

but if he's new to SOMe of them, how is he ancient in MANY of them? :~( does he exist simultaneously in the past of many universes? The marvel US Comic and Aramda toon BOTh, for instance, have Unicron at different locations in space in the year 1977. Is he time-traveling?

I guess mostly i just bitch because I think it sucks. -[[User:Derik|Derik]]

I took it as a given that he time-travels when he moves between dimensions. This isn't really that hard to figure out, man. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:48, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Say, do we know enough about how the TF multiverse works to say for sure that when it's 1977 in one universe it's 1977 in them all?
--[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]]

The Ultimate Guide refers to the non-Fallen original Cybertronic Transformers as "Prima and the Twelve", which, while not clear, implies to me that Prima is in addition to the twelve. Also, I see no reason to casually discount Primon's existence or Matrix-holding simply because we know Prima was the first Transformer on Cybertron - we know there were Transformers before Cybertron because the Covenant of Primus predate its creation. Primon could have held the Matrix before Prima ever existed.

Maccaddam being anything other than a bar-owner was a goddamn joke, and Legends explicitly de-continuities itself so its stories can't be used to support arguments. Prime Spark was a [[WARendfeld]] story anyway.

''(next part of argument contains minor spoilers for the club comic''

And I don't understand the concern about Unicron at all. He's not one guy who travels between all continuities, he's a single entity that exists in all continuities (or none, presently) simultaneously. That's why the Unicron the TFU away team flew to was in the depths of our space in Year-The-End-Of-BM-Plus-One but vanished when the Unicron in Energon was destroyed. Simply because he was a dormant moon in the Armadaverse in 1991 has no bearing on his activities in 1991 in the G1 comic (eating Cybertron) or the G1 cartoon (cruising around the universe to a groovy synth soundtrack). The same is clearly true of Primus - otherwise, you have to assume he's been physically dimension-hopping-and-time-travelling around the multiverse as well, which is not the case because otherwise there would only be a Cybertron in one universe at any given time. The club comic's discussion of Cybertron-as-hinge-point supports my view, I think.

Vector Prime is unlike Unicron and Primus in that he is a single entity existing in a single continuity at any given time, no different from Axer. It's possible that one of the Twelve in every continuity is a Vector Prime analogue, but in my opinion we don't have nearly enough evidence to say one way or another. -[[User:LV|LV]] 15:26, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I disagree strongly, LV. Though Unicron has the ability to move between dimensions at will, he is confined to one universe at a time. According to the Club comic itself, Primus is "a single, infinite curvea cross all realities; the only truly unique thing in all of creation." Unicron is "bound always by his imprisonment in a physical body, he's been incapable of destroying mroe than one reality at a time." Thing is, being dead in the black hole *changed* this dynamic. The Unicron singularity is what has, for the first time, consolidated the Unicron of allwhens into one black hole which is beginning to perpetuate itself across every timeline. This is why Cybertron's Unicron is beginning to affect Universe's Unicron. This occurrence is a new situation, unique to this storyline. It can't be used as evidence to support Unicron's properties in normal circumstances. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:21, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Then I agree with Derik. If Unicron only exists one place at one time, it is essentially irreconcilable with what has been shown in the fiction. If Unicron can happily time-travel when he changes dimensions, then there is nothing preventing him from existing in all dimensions simultaneously. He simply travels to the beginning of each when he leaves the previous one, thus existing linearly from his own perspective but simultaneously across all universes from every single other being's. You cannot have a time-and-space-travelling Unicron and a Unicron that can only be in one dimension at a time from any perspective but his own. In other words, as was said already, we can definitely place Unicron in at least two continuities in 1991, since he was actively eating Cybertron and orbiting Cybertron. If canon says otherwise, then it's canon, but it is fundamentally illogical and unworkable. And yes yes, transforming aliens from a planet the size of Saturn made of metal blah blah blah, but there is "unrealistic premise" and there is "an explanation which in no ways accounts for any of the material it purports to explain". But oh well. -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:32, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

But they were two different 1991s, man, in different timelines. He's not in 1991 twice at the same time, he's in two distinct 1991s at different times. Hell, as Kil said above, we don't even know that when it's 1977 in one universe, it's 1977 in them all. Hell, when it's 2030AD in the Unicron Trilogy, it's been demonstrated that it's apparently ~2350AD in Generation 1! I do not see it as irreconcileable. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:47, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

This is the sort of thing which is better illustrated with a picture, but Unicron CANNOT time-travel when changing dimensions without allowing the possibility of existing in multiple continuities simultaneously. That is just the way it is with multiple simultaneously-existing timelines. If you do not want them to be the same year, that is fine. Unicron can nonetheless exist in 2030AD in UT and 2350AD in G1 simultaneously if he can time-travel.

It is not an issue for debate; the canon says what it says. However, the canonical explanation is irrational. -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:50, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Wow. Here I was thinking no one would respond to this while I was at work and I come back to "this." Let's put this in talking points:

1) Primus is one single pan-dimensional being existing simultaniously in all continuities. We're all agreed on that right? We can like it or dislike it, but at the moment that's what cannon says.

2)Unicron has only ever existed in one continuity at a time (until Cybertron). Fine. Let's look at that. It *IS* odd that the brothers would be different this way without explination and that if he could jump through time and dimensions completely at will he wouldn't always jump to the begining of each one, and so, yes, to all perspectives but his own exist everywhen at once. There are two possible solutions to that part of the issue: either A) He can't travel through time in an unlimited fasion but only make small jumps time-wise or with great difficulty, or B) He cannot travel in time at all, not even when he jumps universes, but as Walky suggested, time is not in the same reletive place across universe. ie - When it's 1985 in the cartoon maybe it's only 1945 in the IDW books. If he jumped between them he would seem to travel intime but would not actually do so. Do those work, at least as a plausible enough to forget the iffyness solutions?

3)Why dismiss Maccadam as a joke? The entry in the DK guide seemed perfectly serious to me. Did it leave question as to whether it was true or a rummor? Sure. But I don't see anything that leans the suggestion one way or another. I rather like the idea myself. Legends, does put itself purposefully out of continuity, true, BUT when you're dealing with a multiverse can you totally do that? I mean if there are infinite universes the ones from Legends must be included in their somewhere right?

4)Getting back to my original question: Is the concensus that there are multiple Vector Prime's across continuities? It just seems that if his job is to safeguard space time that'd make things awefully complicated with ALL of him jumping around and constantly running into each other. Would one single Primus make an infinitude of reality jumping Vector Primes? And if he did, why doesn't an infinite army of VPs show up at each trouble spot to deal with the problem and wipe out and Unicron/Decepticon problems while they're at it? So far we've only seen ONE Vector Prime at work across the whole spectrum of past TF universe. We're sure he's not a singularity?

[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:15, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I can no longer make conclusions about Vector Prime based on the ludicrous canonical explanation for Unicron, so I abstain from commenting on him. However, I maintain that the reference in the UG to Maccaddam is clearly a joke - they're talking about a bar, and they immediately say that this absurd claim that the barkeeper is a legendary ancient Transformer with the observation that they serve extremely strong drinks. It's a joke about being drunk. Entirely in-character for Furman. -[[User:LV|LV]] 00:29, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

See I just don't read the Maccadam entry that way at all. It reads serious to me. The final line is meant to put a bit of humorus doubt on the rest, but only a bit of doubt/mystery IMO. Maccadam's has always been a bit of a special place and a pet local of Furman's and I can totally see him quite seriously setting it up to be used this way. I guess we'll just have to agree to differ in our takes on it. The important thing for the Wikki is that Maccadam remains a rumored, but not confirmed, member of the 13. [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 01:33, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I had another thought, the better to muddy the waters. With Unicron and Primus having god or near-god status, could their being the same, er, being doesn't necessarily mean they're actually bouncing back and forth between dimensions and times all the time? Could they be 'aspects' or 'splinters' of the same being?
(Way to be obscure: There's a ''Doctor Who'' story called ''The City of Death'' which has a neat example, but moving on...)
This could be what makes them so hard to finally kill, if they've got the entirety of their 'selves' spread out across multiple realities at a time. This also means it's not hard for Unicron to attack in the Marvel reality in 1991, the Dreamwave UT reality in 2003, the Movie reality in 2005, and so on. He doesn't (always) travel between dimensions, he just already exists that way.
Hmmm...OK, maybe that made sense.
[[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 05:41, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

:If Macadam as a member of the 13 was a joke, why did the pictue of Macadam's bad show characters from multiple continuities?

:Everyone sseems really comfortable saying "There's only one Primus, just liek Unicron." I admit I've msised some material lately- vould someone please tell me '''where''' this was established? Because-- we've kinda seen Primus die.

::and Unicron. But it's a fair point. For all their apparent similarities, Primus and Unicron represent fundamentally different things, so it's not unreasonable to assume that some aspects of them differ wildly. If Unicron represents chaos, then his random appearances and contradictory histories suddenly make quite a bit more sense to me. He's not MEANT to obey the normal rules. It's against his very nature.

:Unicron time-traveling I dont' really gundamentally have a hard time accepting. We saw in Worlds Collide (?) that the untuned Transwarp Space Bridge portals were flittign across space AND time, showing pictures of the distant past (BW) and buture (BW Neo/BM) as well as plainly laternate worlds (RiD.) So it's '''possible''' that Whisper's world Unicron was coming from int he very deep and distant future, and he decided that the Armada-toonverse was weak and ignorant enough he could just show up in the present and demolish it, and didn't need to lay deep plans to do so.

:But- where the hell did dreamwave!Armada's Mini-cons come from then if not Unicron?

:Has Unicron even marauded across 'infinite' realities? In Worlds Collide they call it his ''Ninth Emergence.'' That's not infinite realities. That's '''nine''' realities. And so what was up with Primus saying Unicron ate the previous Universe in us!Marvel#74? Was he just '''lying''' for no reason?

:My main complaint witht he Multiversal Unicron we were presented with si that it '''doesn't make sense''', not that they didnt' explain it all, it's that '''no''' possible explanation seems to explain it all. And not tiny inconstencies- massive, glaring fundamentally unworkable inconsistencies. Inconsistencies even in the material generated that's suppsoed to explain how this all works!

:Kang's explanation form Marvel comics, with time-travel and th war to pin down his various aspects works. Except- we'rs '''explicitly told''' that no, that's '''not''' the case. So... bah. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:19, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Primus and Unicron exist across multiple continuities, because they are Gods, and represent chaos and order. However, they CAN be removed from a given continuty, and still continue to exist in others.

Vector Prime exists across all continuities and times, because it's in his job description. (Even though he technically died, his "younger self" is still in the timestream, capable of visiting anywhere and anywhen.)

We know Unicron can manipulate time (Like when he yanked Galvatron II from a future timeline to use as his minion in the present) so it makes sense that he can travel through time. The only incongruity with this is if he is indeed a single entity hopping through timelines, then why would the Unicron singularity mess with him while he was in the Universe.. err.. Universe. It either wouldn't have happened to him yet, or would have been in his past; either way he wouldn't have gotten sucked into it from a different universe unless he either was a multiple Universe entity like Primus, or the singularity is something that winds up being both in his past and his future an infinite ammount of times.--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 07:16, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

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Wasn't The Last Autobot called such, because he was the last Autobot made by Primus? Shouldn't he have been one of the 13?

Or am I totally off base here? Again.--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 22:41, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Without more information, it's impossible to say. As far as I can tell, he's unique to the G1 comic continuity. Though he otherwise bears a number of striking resemblences to Vector Prime. In any case, this debate is probably better suited for [[Talk:Last_Autobot]].

T^he last Autobot was a name given to him by those who came later, not Primus. He's also known as The Ultimate Warrior and The Soulof Cybertron. He is convieniently refered to as TLA by fans because 1) his true name was never revealed 2) That was the tittle of one of the issues of the Marvel comic, giving the most 'weight' to that name of his 3. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:29, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
:(Part of comment deleted. I misread your statement. Sorry.) TLA is actually referred to as such by Optimus Prime on several occasions. It was in fact the title of issue #79 (something to keep in mind for disambiguation!), and Spike Witwicky also refers to himself as "TLA" in that issue. But at the same time, I'd say it's reasonably obvious that "TLA" is not the name Primus gave him.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 16:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
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As well as being mentioned in a Japanese timeline, Alpha Trion actually specically states that he is "a first generation product of Vector Sigma" in the TV show. Can't be sure of the episode offhand, but is very probably The Key To Vector Sigma.

I think that this may rule him out of being one of the Thirteen. -[[User:TheTurnipKing|TTK]]

:Really? I would have thought it made Alpha Trion an especially good candidate. I guess it comes down to what one considers Vector Sigma to be.... (By the way, please use signatures!)--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 16:20, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

:::Every flashback to the birth of the 13 shows them arising full-born from the ground. No Vector Sigma involved. Trion may be among the first of the first 'production generation' that came after that. (This, of course, holds up only until they retcon it, but ancient as Trion always seemed ot me- it was never 'ancient enough to be one of the 13.') -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:29, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

::::Certainly a plausible interpretation. But I wouldn't consider the matter closed one way or the other.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 18:32, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

:::::I can't remember where I read it, but I'm sure the thirteen were supposed to have been created BEFORE Primus became Cybetron. Vector Sigma apparently also pre-dated Cybertron, but I figure Vector Sigma wasn't pressed into service creating Transformers immediately. Infact, probably not 'till the Quintessons came along and installed the shell program that became the Oracle. But as you say, this period of Transformers pre-history is notoriously sketchy. I'll certainly be interested to see if they ever fill in the gaps. -[[User:TheTurnipKing|TTK]]

::::::The only pre-Cybertron Transformers I know of are from the text story [[Reaching the Omega Point]]. Before Primus trapped himself and Unicron in the planetoids, he had to be sure that the trick wour work, and that he would be able to shape his prison. So he shunted a bit of his essence into some lifeless rock and created the [[Covenant]], 12 Transformers based on our Earth zodiac. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 12:32, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::::Implicitly, [[Primon]] must also have been created before Cybertron, since we know he predates Prima as Matrix-holder and we know Prima was the first Transformer created on Cybertron. (Which may actually also imply that the Liege Maximo predates Cybertron... -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:02, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::::: Doesn't the Leige Maximo say though that when the first named Prime "rose from Cybertron" or something like that that he did too. That definately implies They were created there. Primon I think is simply an annomoly, a glitch in Furman's telling of the story that will likely never be followed up on.
::::::::: [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Liegemaximo.jpg] Here's the text. Considering we don't know when the "first named Prime" was created, that's a meaningless statement, so it's not helpful to us. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't this page be at "Thirteen original Transformers"? It would certainly make the bold part at the beginning look better. -[[User:LV|LV]] 06:44, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
: Done. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:47, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

=="Original"?==
Are these guys REALLY the first TFs? My reading of the stories puts the Covenant before them, since the whole idea of the Covenant being a test-run makes any functional predecessors nonsensical. I suppose the argument could be made that The 13 are fundamentally different beings from the rest of Transformerdom - maybe even easier for Primus to create - and a test was still necessary to determine if he could make creatures that were fully mired in space-time. (Though the Covenant was still AWARE of multi-dimensional events, and in fact seemed to serve much the same purpose as The 13...)

But even that aside, there's still the practical notion that The 13 were created ''for'' Cybertron, and Cybertron didn't exist yet when the Covenant was created. So, that having been said, what's the evidence that The 13 are actually "original"?

- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 15:44, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
:Basically: they aren't. If you include the Covenant, the Thirteen aren't the "original" Transformers at all, since they are necessarily predated by the Covenant for all the reasons you cite, as well as, inferentially, Primon and the Liege Maximo. Functionally, they are referred to as the "original thirteen" or "first thirteen" regardless of this, probably because not even Furman thinks about the Covenant when writing TF backstory. I think for logistical purposes it remains a useful name for them on this wiki - without it, they basically don't have any meaningful group name, and that's inconvenient - but I do think there should be some kind of indication in this article that some Transformers are more original than these fellows. -[[User:LV|LV]] 19:18, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

== The Ancients ==

I'm not sure where to place it, so I put it here as, um, sorta reference. :) --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 08:24, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:In the original Japanese dub of "Galaxy Force", [[Vector Prime]] is depicted as one of "The Ancients".

:According to the background settings of ''Galaxy Force'' anime, "The Ancients" is the earliest Transformers in the world/continuity of "Galaxy Force" (not "Cyertron").

:Though "The Thirteen" is mentioned by [http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/bible/index.html The World of Transformers], the site doesn't confirm that "The Thirteen = The Ancients" by far. What the site only mentioned is that there are two theories of the origin of Transformer race.

:So, by far, The Ancients is not the same group as The Thirteens, unless someday comes up an official information stating they are the same.
::Agreed. So shouldn't someone take the Logos Prime person off? --[[User:Boba Fett|Boba Fett]] 17:26, 17 May 2009 (EDT)

== Logos Prime ==

He's in both the confirmed and possible lists. Which is it? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:08, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:Magnus Maximus moved it to possible, Walky added to confirmed but didn't remove the possible, MM removed the duplicate in "confirmed", Walky blocked MM over it and readded it to "confirmed" while still leaving it in "possible". - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:12, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:: Argh, there's MORE stuff to change back? Is this the same dude we were reverting before? Some dude out there has a really serious hate-on for this Logos Prime thing. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:13, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Uhm... I don't think content was deleted here, just the "confirmed" status of Logos Prime questioned.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:14, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::::What's left to confirm? The evidence is stacked up. Logos Prime would have to be the red herring of red herrings to not be what this wiki says, and that's kind of ridiculous. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:17, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::Derik, what the hell. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:43, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::Y'know, ''by definition'' if this 13 crap covers THEWHOLEENTIRETFMULTIVERSEBYE, then Macaddam should be in "confirmed"... :p - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 23:08, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Not in a story that is specifically stated to be non-canon, "just for fun." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:15, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::::On a multiverse level, it's impossible NOT to be canon. Which is one of my major problems with this whole pile, actually. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 23:31, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::[[Author intent]] should be something this wiki describes and leaves up to individual fan judgment--not something we firmly take sides on in establishing internal-to-story facts. The entire reason we have articles for the "real" Transformer characters [[Geosensus]] and [[Paddles]] is that Cian's proviso is contradicted by the pre-existing context of a TF Multiverse, which I suspect he never knew existed. Having said that, Legends never actually specifically says Maccadam is one of the 13; it says he's multiversal, which fulfills ''half'' of the joke from the Ultimate Guide.<--Thy, can't login on IE.

So... MM moved the info (not '''deleted''' it, '''moved'''), Walky put the info back in the old place thus meaning the info was now put twice on the page, then banned MM because he removed one of the duplicate instances? Just making sure I got this straight. 
And no, MM is not the same guy we were reverting before. MM is the guy who's been adding a lot of valuable info like missing covers and stuff on the commercial bumper and scene transition pages. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:16, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:Yeah, you got it straight. He originally blocked him for a month as "YOU ARE DELETING CONTENT RIGHT NOW", then cut it to a week as "It's not smart to get in a revert war with an admin." - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 23:31, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::Well, then, remind me never to correct any mistakes, because I apparently might get reverted and banned for it. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:50, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::That occurred to me too... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 09:28, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

:So the original change was related to the previous discussion on this talk page about the Ancients not being the same thing as the first Thirteen? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:28, 28 May 2009 (EDT)
::Correct. [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Thirteen_original_Transformers&diff=301252&oldid=301026 MM edit 1 diff], [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Thirteen_original_Transformers&diff=next&oldid=301252 Willis adds a duplicate], [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Thirteen_original_Transformers&diff=next&oldid=301254 MM removes duplicate], [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Thirteen_original_Transformers&diff=next&oldid=301257 Willis reverts previous edit]. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 09:28, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

:::Based on this, I'm going out on a limb here and unbanning the guy. Seems like a pretty draconian punishment over what appears to be mostly a misunderstanding. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 10:58, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

Well, that was fun. Thanks for getting this situation sorted, guys. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 09:31, 29 May 2009 (EDT)

== Nexus Maximus ==

The five silhouettes next to Vector Prime seem to strongly resemble the individual components of Nexus Maximus, and since the five are both Transformers and part of a being considered "one of the thirteen", is it possible that they are numbered members as well? I mean, technically they are five transformers that were created in the first batch, so maybe?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 06:09, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

I would say no. Nexus Maximus is a member of the 13, but his 5 component pieces aren't. [[Special:Contributions/76.240.201.195|76.240.201.195]] 18:39, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

==Defiance==
To be clear - is that image depicting the trans-dimensional whatsits, or the first batch of "Transformers" made to serve them?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 06:09, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
:The first batch of "Transformers." There are actually two more in a different panel but this was the best group shot. [[:Image:Defianceissue4-creation.jpg|This is]] the creation of the trans-dimensional whatsits. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 07:50, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
::Okay, then the text needs to make that clearer, because right now it reads as if it's equating these Seekers/Constructicons with the Fallen and such.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 17:42, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

== Trans-dimensional AllSpark creations ==

Zuh? Why not The Thirteen?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:14, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
:Well, they aren't Transformers for one thing. They are a separate race. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:15, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
::...but we have no reason to believe they're not The Thirteen.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:16, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
:::Oh. Hmmm. The 13 aren't Transformers? That article should be renamed then. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:20, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
::::The article is just... I don't know. I don't think it conveys information. I think if anything it ''obfuscates'' information to obey some sort of semantic point.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:24, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::They do play the same general role. It didn't occur to me that they might be the 13 since they aren't Transformers. The articles would have to be merged carefully. In the live-action continuity there is the Fallen's race ''and'' 13 original Transformers (which would be the first 13 beings of the new Transformer's race). - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:41, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
::::::You invented what amounts to a fan term to explain what you believe to be a contradiction. We are needlessly multiplying entities here.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:31, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::The Fallen: "It gave us workers, but they were ''not like us''. They were special and were to be the first of ''your race''. Creatures born with the ability to change their forms." It seems pretty clear the Fallen's kind aren't Transformers. The Fallen could be distorting the facts, I suppose (he is The Fallen), or has a fuzzy memory. I'm not against merging this with the 13 Transformers, but I would be interested in how it was explained. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:48, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::::I dunno, saying that the Fallen and his brothers "aren't Transformers" seems to me to be a bit like saying we shouldn't have [[Beta]] in the Female Transformers category. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 22:07, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Hell, half the Matrix Guides, including Alpha Trion, shouldn't be considered Transformers! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:09, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::That doesn't seem to be a contradiction at all, Starfield. Even in the original continuity that had the thirteen, wasn't transformation an invention from later on? And Vector Prime still was eventually able to do it, so it's not unreasonable to assume that while the Trans-dimensionals weren't ''born'' with the ability to change their form, they modified themselves to do it. Which is why the Fallen can turn into a space fighter now.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 07:47, 28 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I still propose nuking it, but until we get consensus on that, I'm putting the shenanigans tag on it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:54, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Call me crazy, but I have this feeling there may be an actual name for these dudes soon. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:08, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::And on what are you basing this? I keep asking this, but you keep making up unofficial terms for things.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:15, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::The ROTF adaptation comic. I understand we aren't supposed to use that yet for spoiler reasons. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:22, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Okay, let me spell this out. There is at present no definition of this term you've invented that does not completely overlap with the Thirteen. Every member of the Thirteen is one of these, and every one of these is one of the Thirteen. Even if we accept that this is somehow a meaningful term, there is no way to separate it from the Thirteen. To pretend otherwise is to be painfully obtuse.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:14, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
Nuke it from orbit. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:18, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
:Y'all kinda seem to be jumping down Starfield's throat... IITC the Transdimensional beings page was created as a sorta precautionary things back then Alliance was still coming out when we weren't sure how it'd play out-- or even if the Fallen was a multiversal singularity. (We thought probably yes, but there was room foe debate, and the movie stuff IS '''awfully''' messy.)
:...of course it's just as likely that I'm missing something, in which case, please proceed tearing him a new transdimensional arsehole. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:29, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
::I'd like a transdimensional arsehole. I bet it would mean you wouldn't even have to get up to go to the bathroom. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:30, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
::I'm not taking it personally. It always was kind of a sloppy placeholder. I honestly thought they were going a different direction when I read Defiance 4, but now it looks like it is shaping up pretty good continuity wise. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:41, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
:::That's all well and good, but the article, as well as his defense of the term, continued long after its (however dubious) usefulness expired. So, I've nuked the article and archived the discussion here for posterity.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:36, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Oh, is ''that'' what's going on? ''<tt>slowpoke.jpg</tt>''
::::Well, I've certainly been there myself! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:38, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

== Prima ==

Why is Prima on this list? I would have thought Primon would be the more likely choice m'self. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:01, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:He is confirmed in at least one continuity as the first Cybertronian. Thus, he's the first of the Thirteen. Funny, innit?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:03, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::Which continuity, and sauce? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:45, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Marvel G1. Not explicitly stated, but able to be deduced.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:50, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::::But I don't think Prima should be on there. Primon seem to predate him/her.
::::If a guidebook SAID Prima was one of the 13 or something, that'd be different. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:22, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

Well here's how it goes, we have a Marvel G1 issue and a Marvel G2 issue which depict the first Cybertronian. One of those issues depicts said first Cybertronian as the first Matrix-Bearer. Marvel G1 also has a litany of the Matrix-Bearers which the Creation Matrix itself recites at several times during Matrix Quest, thus establishing this figure, though visually quite different the two times we see him, as Prima. So, insofar as anything can be consistent within Marvel G1 given the vast artistic differences which sprang up, the first Cybertronian and first Matrix-Bearer is Prima.

Pri''mon'' however has a far more fuzzy pedigree, a smaller corpus of source material establishing him, and his membership in the Thirteen is also predicated upon the Liege Maximo being a member, which is ''probable'', but as we've discussed before never really confirmed in official source material.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:29, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

:Your answer is full of fail and conjecture.
:Nevertheless, it got ''me'' to check the source material. The Ultimate Guide explicitly says Prima is one of the 13 on page 15. Further, Prima is their '''leader'''. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:40, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::Were I not at work, I could have done the same. But alas, I am limited until I hop in my car and drive home. I still say my answer is close enough for government work, though.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:43, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
{{quote|In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve.|Tocqueville}} -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:50, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
=="New Divide" video==
Hey, uh, there seems to be a very short clip of what appear to be silhouettes of some of the Thirteen... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:36, 12 June 2009 (EDT)
:Which one. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:51, 12 June 2009 (EDT)
::[[Image:NewDivide-silhouettes.jpg|thumb|300px|I wonder which one Vector Prime is!]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:08, 12 June 2009 (EDT)
:::So can any of our U.K. friends confirm or deny if these are indeed the Thirteen? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:13, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Weeellll... okay, spoilers to be safe... they ARE the Primes, the original Transformers, as it were. But... if I heard the dialogue right, and I'm not SWEARING that I did, but I have seen other people say they heard the same thing... IN the film itself... there are stated to only SEVEN of them. And the events of Defiance are really... at odds with the movie , too. In the gentlest terms. Honestly, I was watching the movie, and every so often something happened to make me go "Aw, fuck, the wiki's going to have its work cut out for it here." - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:28, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Yep, there's a mistake in there. Seven is definitely the number. The Fallen being so named because he chose to eradicate life in his quest for Energon (think Captain Ranson in Star Trek Voyager "Equinox"). Optimus Prime is apparently their last descendant (how they know this is not explained, nor is the concept of Primes, and why only a Prime can defeat the Fallen, when it looks like anybody can do what Prime finally did). Oh, and none of them look like any of our Primes. In fact they all look like the Fallen (customisers should be buying multiple Fallen toys to make them!) [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 20:05, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

:What a pain. Yet I think that will probably make patching things around the 13 easier.... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:11, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
::The only thing that would make this work with past information is if the Thirteen aren't multiversal singularities, and since the Powers That Be reconfirmed that at Botcon, I can only assume (or hope) that they have something planned for the Thirteen that will straighten this out. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:21, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:::You have to remember, there's already the "oddity" that the birth of these guys 13 doesn't really match other depictions-- and the AllSpark being some sort of sun-destroying monstrosity is... not very Primus-y. I think there's definitely wiggle room here. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:25, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Oddly, the adaptations say 13. How do we know what we know about the AllSpark and harvesters and the original Transformers? There is only one of them left. He wouldn't lie for his own purposes would he? They could, if they wanted, make much of the ROTF backstory be a load of bullcrap made up by The Fallen. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:46, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Maybe we can wilfully ignore {{redact|the seven thing as a mistake like Brawl/Devastator? In the Feb 2009 issue of Toyfare, producer [[Lorenzo di Bonaventura]] stated that The Fallen was a member of The Thirteen, and that we should think of the Thirteen as "apostles". So clearly, the movie production did number the Primes as thirteen quite late into post production.}} --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:06, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::"Mistakes" do happen in fiction, and we acknowledge them as such. (The art errors in the marvel comic, for example.)
::::::So even if the {{redact|the ancient Primes being the 13}} is a mistake, that still leaves us with The Fallen being The Fallen.
::::::The real question is how ''subsequent'' fiction addresses this. If it keeps re-iterating {{redact|the ancient Primes are the 13}} then that's a problem we have to deal with.
::::::I'm really beginning to suspect that the end scenario is going to be {{redact|there were some ancient beings, 7 in one story, 13 in another}} and just void any connection to the 13 entirely-- then figure out how to deal with The Fallen being The Fallen separately. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:17, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Also, re:{{redact|Devastator... there was a comment on the Brawl talk page recently claiming that the letters page to Titan #3 said that Devastator and Brawl are separate near-identical Transformers.}} Can McSweeny confirm whether this is true or not? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:26, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

So I'm watching [http://emopanda.com/tmp/eps/Linkin_Park_-_New_Divide.mp4 New Divide] and I'm confused... is the screencap Walky posted above {{redact|from the beginning of the movie, where everyone was working in the valley, or the end, during SAM's NDE}}? Can someone who's seen the movie answer this? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:20, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

:Haha, this is where it gets {{redact|metaphysical. Sam dies, and the Matrix (which at this point in the film has disintegrated into dust and is kept in a rolled up sock) merges with Sam. The next scene then features Sam in Heaven/The Matrix/Nirvana/The Tunnel with the Light at the End where he meets the Seven Prime/Fallen Clones. They tell him that they have been watching him and that the Matrix is not an object but a state of mind/personality quality, and he's got it, so go wake up from this death and kick some ass. He then is resurrected and the Matrix is now completely reformed into its key/boomerang formation, which he then sticks into Prime's chest. But then somebody else steals it again to stick into the Fallen's Galvatron Machine from the UK comics}} [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 08:04, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::Yes I know this. I've read the book. I construe from your response that this screencap is from the latter half of the movie? (It's a yes or no question... god forbid you manage to ''explicitly'' answer it.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:01, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:::That's a yes. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 14:52, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

It actually works out pretty easily. Those seven don't have to be the ''only'' members of the Thirteen, just the ones that gave their lives to seal The Fallen away and secure the Star Harvester.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:17, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

:Except there are multiple versions of "Movie" continuity (IDW and Titan) and the original 13 are singularities... so how do these 7 manged to die '''twice''' and their corpses show up in different universes? {{redact|for that matter, how does The Fallen manage to die in multiple continuities? He has but one life to give for the Multiverse!}} -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:24, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::Transformers: The Movie Universe implies that The Fallen has to work to maintain corporeality in a universe. It is possible that killing the physical form of one of the Thirteen is nowhere near as final as it may sound.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:26, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

:::Would Vector Prime's fate at the end of Cybertron support that? I have only passing knowledge of that show but didn't they show him fighting on in some other dimension after his "Death"? That could work on the same principle.--[[Special:Contributions/71.235.138.121|71.235.138.121]] 07:10, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Vector Prime was shown to be fighting Galvatron in the end-credits montage, so he's clearly not completely dead. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:36, 23 June 2009 (EDT)

== Logos Prime ==

If the Fallen represents Entropy, and Vector Prime represents time... what would Logos Prime represent? His hub-ship-thing seems to be tied to his "area of responsibility" somehow... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:55, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
:Opposition or competition? Some kind of "Balancing forces" deal, probably, judging by the story.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 04:23, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
::So... "Logos" arguably, logic? 10:39, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
:::I don't think their given names actually have anything to do with their charge - Vector isn't in charge of directions, and Nexus is in charge of Energon, not connections. Maybe the name's are personally chosen, or represent their personalities?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 12:27, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
:Maybe LP would have been the gaurdian of knowlegde or information? --[[User:Boba Fett|Boba Fett]] 18:03, 23 June 2009 (EDT)

== Twelve Apostles ==

Would it be at all acceptable to mention somewhere on the page the obvious basis of Jesus and the twelve apostles, or even how specific members of the Thirteen seem to be based on specific apostles?

For example:
*Prima is the chosen leader of the thirteen, carries Primus lifeforce in the form of the matrix (and so, is Primus's "child"), and his name even fits the ancient roman naming scheme for your children (well, daughters) - remove "us", fit "a".
*The Fallen is obviously Judas.
*Vector Prime appears to fit the role of Peter - the most loyal, who serves throughout time safeguarding the Transformers. He certainly acts like a space-pope, anyway.

Of course, beyond that, there's unlikely to be any use of the archetype, but would it at least be worth mentioning?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 04:49, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
:We have a good source for that comparison with [[Lorenzo di Bonaventura]]'s interview in ''Toyfare'' (February 2009). [[Special:Contributions/79.67.234.198|79.67.234.198]] 05:16, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
:I say we don't have enought info though. Afterall, we don't know about the Logo Prime or Nexus Maximus people. --[[User:Boba Fett|Boba Fett]] 14:10, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
::We know that the group as a whole is supposed to act as apostles to Primus. And yes, we can't really fit Logos or Nexus to a historical apostle, but we're extremely unlikely to, because beyond Jesus, Judas, and Peter, the various apostles are only really remembered for Catholic feast holidays, and aren't that culturally significant.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 14:22, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Oh,yeah...except for 'doubting Thomas'. OK --[[User:Boba Fett|Boba Fett]] 18:02, 23 June 2009 (EDT)

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Boba Fett: /* Twelve Apostles */

{{Note|At the Botcon 2009 Question panel, [[Forest Lee]] (Hasbro's internal TF continuity guy) when asked what The Fallen would be like in "Shattered Glass" finally stated explicitly that The Fallen '''was''' a multiversal singularity-- there is no "SG" Fallen.. there is only The Fallen, one guy. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:14, 3 June 2009 (EDT) reported by Walky}}

==Multiversal singularities==
Are the first 13 all "continuity singularities" as Primus and Unicron are? One version existing across all realities? Vector Prime definately seems to be, and Maccadam as well if you include "Prime Spark" as cannon. Thoughts? [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 11:51, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

How can Unicron jump continuities wih all his different HISTORIES? he spent MILLIONS OF YEARS as Cybertrons' MOON fergods sake!

The whole singularities thing is a godawful mess. You have to start acceptign that Unicron, who DEMONSTRABLY spends tens or tens of MILLIONs of years in individual continuities is time-travelign as WELL as jumping continuities. Which is fine, but for some reason in the Armada comic he doesn't, and no one's ever even HEARD of Unicron before, he's a completely external threat with no history in this universe.

But then, I think brad Mick intended Thundercracker to be one of the 13, so what do I know? It's not like I have a decent track record at pattern recognition or anything... ''*cough*predaconpolitics*cough*''

Also, IS Primus a singularity across all continuities? I could have sworn we saw him DIE. ''I hate the sucky TFU-type Multiverse! it sucks, it sucks '''so hard''' Gregory!'' -[[User:Derik|Derik]]

...why is it impossible that no one's ever heard of Unicron in the Armada universe until he shows up? It makes perfect sense to me. Hell, the only person who's ever even investigated or shown more than a little interest Cybertron's past in the Armadaverse is Overrun, and he was from another universe anyway. If there's only one Unicron and infinite universes, of COURSE he's going to be new to some of them! Derik, start making sense. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:27, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

but if he's new to SOMe of them, how is he ancient in MANY of them? :~( does he exist simultaneously in the past of many universes? The marvel US Comic and Aramda toon BOTh, for instance, have Unicron at different locations in space in the year 1977. Is he time-traveling?

I guess mostly i just bitch because I think it sucks. -[[User:Derik|Derik]]

I took it as a given that he time-travels when he moves between dimensions. This isn't really that hard to figure out, man. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:48, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Say, do we know enough about how the TF multiverse works to say for sure that when it's 1977 in one universe it's 1977 in them all?
--[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]]

The Ultimate Guide refers to the non-Fallen original Cybertronic Transformers as "Prima and the Twelve", which, while not clear, implies to me that Prima is in addition to the twelve. Also, I see no reason to casually discount Primon's existence or Matrix-holding simply because we know Prima was the first Transformer on Cybertron - we know there were Transformers before Cybertron because the Covenant of Primus predate its creation. Primon could have held the Matrix before Prima ever existed.

Maccaddam being anything other than a bar-owner was a goddamn joke, and Legends explicitly de-continuities itself so its stories can't be used to support arguments. Prime Spark was a [[WARendfeld]] story anyway.

''(next part of argument contains minor spoilers for the club comic''

And I don't understand the concern about Unicron at all. He's not one guy who travels between all continuities, he's a single entity that exists in all continuities (or none, presently) simultaneously. That's why the Unicron the TFU away team flew to was in the depths of our space in Year-The-End-Of-BM-Plus-One but vanished when the Unicron in Energon was destroyed. Simply because he was a dormant moon in the Armadaverse in 1991 has no bearing on his activities in 1991 in the G1 comic (eating Cybertron) or the G1 cartoon (cruising around the universe to a groovy synth soundtrack). The same is clearly true of Primus - otherwise, you have to assume he's been physically dimension-hopping-and-time-travelling around the multiverse as well, which is not the case because otherwise there would only be a Cybertron in one universe at any given time. The club comic's discussion of Cybertron-as-hinge-point supports my view, I think.

Vector Prime is unlike Unicron and Primus in that he is a single entity existing in a single continuity at any given time, no different from Axer. It's possible that one of the Twelve in every continuity is a Vector Prime analogue, but in my opinion we don't have nearly enough evidence to say one way or another. -[[User:LV|LV]] 15:26, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I disagree strongly, LV. Though Unicron has the ability to move between dimensions at will, he is confined to one universe at a time. According to the Club comic itself, Primus is "a single, infinite curvea cross all realities; the only truly unique thing in all of creation." Unicron is "bound always by his imprisonment in a physical body, he's been incapable of destroying mroe than one reality at a time." Thing is, being dead in the black hole *changed* this dynamic. The Unicron singularity is what has, for the first time, consolidated the Unicron of allwhens into one black hole which is beginning to perpetuate itself across every timeline. This is why Cybertron's Unicron is beginning to affect Universe's Unicron. This occurrence is a new situation, unique to this storyline. It can't be used as evidence to support Unicron's properties in normal circumstances. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:21, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Then I agree with Derik. If Unicron only exists one place at one time, it is essentially irreconcilable with what has been shown in the fiction. If Unicron can happily time-travel when he changes dimensions, then there is nothing preventing him from existing in all dimensions simultaneously. He simply travels to the beginning of each when he leaves the previous one, thus existing linearly from his own perspective but simultaneously across all universes from every single other being's. You cannot have a time-and-space-travelling Unicron and a Unicron that can only be in one dimension at a time from any perspective but his own. In other words, as was said already, we can definitely place Unicron in at least two continuities in 1991, since he was actively eating Cybertron and orbiting Cybertron. If canon says otherwise, then it's canon, but it is fundamentally illogical and unworkable. And yes yes, transforming aliens from a planet the size of Saturn made of metal blah blah blah, but there is "unrealistic premise" and there is "an explanation which in no ways accounts for any of the material it purports to explain". But oh well. -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:32, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

But they were two different 1991s, man, in different timelines. He's not in 1991 twice at the same time, he's in two distinct 1991s at different times. Hell, as Kil said above, we don't even know that when it's 1977 in one universe, it's 1977 in them all. Hell, when it's 2030AD in the Unicron Trilogy, it's been demonstrated that it's apparently ~2350AD in Generation 1! I do not see it as irreconcileable. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:47, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

This is the sort of thing which is better illustrated with a picture, but Unicron CANNOT time-travel when changing dimensions without allowing the possibility of existing in multiple continuities simultaneously. That is just the way it is with multiple simultaneously-existing timelines. If you do not want them to be the same year, that is fine. Unicron can nonetheless exist in 2030AD in UT and 2350AD in G1 simultaneously if he can time-travel.

It is not an issue for debate; the canon says what it says. However, the canonical explanation is irrational. -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:50, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Wow. Here I was thinking no one would respond to this while I was at work and I come back to "this." Let's put this in talking points:

1) Primus is one single pan-dimensional being existing simultaniously in all continuities. We're all agreed on that right? We can like it or dislike it, but at the moment that's what cannon says.

2)Unicron has only ever existed in one continuity at a time (until Cybertron). Fine. Let's look at that. It *IS* odd that the brothers would be different this way without explination and that if he could jump through time and dimensions completely at will he wouldn't always jump to the begining of each one, and so, yes, to all perspectives but his own exist everywhen at once. There are two possible solutions to that part of the issue: either A) He can't travel through time in an unlimited fasion but only make small jumps time-wise or with great difficulty, or B) He cannot travel in time at all, not even when he jumps universes, but as Walky suggested, time is not in the same reletive place across universe. ie - When it's 1985 in the cartoon maybe it's only 1945 in the IDW books. If he jumped between them he would seem to travel intime but would not actually do so. Do those work, at least as a plausible enough to forget the iffyness solutions?

3)Why dismiss Maccadam as a joke? The entry in the DK guide seemed perfectly serious to me. Did it leave question as to whether it was true or a rummor? Sure. But I don't see anything that leans the suggestion one way or another. I rather like the idea myself. Legends, does put itself purposefully out of continuity, true, BUT when you're dealing with a multiverse can you totally do that? I mean if there are infinite universes the ones from Legends must be included in their somewhere right?

4)Getting back to my original question: Is the concensus that there are multiple Vector Prime's across continuities? It just seems that if his job is to safeguard space time that'd make things awefully complicated with ALL of him jumping around and constantly running into each other. Would one single Primus make an infinitude of reality jumping Vector Primes? And if he did, why doesn't an infinite army of VPs show up at each trouble spot to deal with the problem and wipe out and Unicron/Decepticon problems while they're at it? So far we've only seen ONE Vector Prime at work across the whole spectrum of past TF universe. We're sure he's not a singularity?

[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:15, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I can no longer make conclusions about Vector Prime based on the ludicrous canonical explanation for Unicron, so I abstain from commenting on him. However, I maintain that the reference in the UG to Maccaddam is clearly a joke - they're talking about a bar, and they immediately say that this absurd claim that the barkeeper is a legendary ancient Transformer with the observation that they serve extremely strong drinks. It's a joke about being drunk. Entirely in-character for Furman. -[[User:LV|LV]] 00:29, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

See I just don't read the Maccadam entry that way at all. It reads serious to me. The final line is meant to put a bit of humorus doubt on the rest, but only a bit of doubt/mystery IMO. Maccadam's has always been a bit of a special place and a pet local of Furman's and I can totally see him quite seriously setting it up to be used this way. I guess we'll just have to agree to differ in our takes on it. The important thing for the Wikki is that Maccadam remains a rumored, but not confirmed, member of the 13. [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 01:33, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I had another thought, the better to muddy the waters. With Unicron and Primus having god or near-god status, could their being the same, er, being doesn't necessarily mean they're actually bouncing back and forth between dimensions and times all the time? Could they be 'aspects' or 'splinters' of the same being?
(Way to be obscure: There's a ''Doctor Who'' story called ''The City of Death'' which has a neat example, but moving on...)
This could be what makes them so hard to finally kill, if they've got the entirety of their 'selves' spread out across multiple realities at a time. This also means it's not hard for Unicron to attack in the Marvel reality in 1991, the Dreamwave UT reality in 2003, the Movie reality in 2005, and so on. He doesn't (always) travel between dimensions, he just already exists that way.
Hmmm...OK, maybe that made sense.
[[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 05:41, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

:If Macadam as a member of the 13 was a joke, why did the pictue of Macadam's bad show characters from multiple continuities?

:Everyone sseems really comfortable saying "There's only one Primus, just liek Unicron." I admit I've msised some material lately- vould someone please tell me '''where''' this was established? Because-- we've kinda seen Primus die.

::and Unicron. But it's a fair point. For all their apparent similarities, Primus and Unicron represent fundamentally different things, so it's not unreasonable to assume that some aspects of them differ wildly. If Unicron represents chaos, then his random appearances and contradictory histories suddenly make quite a bit more sense to me. He's not MEANT to obey the normal rules. It's against his very nature.

:Unicron time-traveling I dont' really gundamentally have a hard time accepting. We saw in Worlds Collide (?) that the untuned Transwarp Space Bridge portals were flittign across space AND time, showing pictures of the distant past (BW) and buture (BW Neo/BM) as well as plainly laternate worlds (RiD.) So it's '''possible''' that Whisper's world Unicron was coming from int he very deep and distant future, and he decided that the Armada-toonverse was weak and ignorant enough he could just show up in the present and demolish it, and didn't need to lay deep plans to do so.

:But- where the hell did dreamwave!Armada's Mini-cons come from then if not Unicron?

:Has Unicron even marauded across 'infinite' realities? In Worlds Collide they call it his ''Ninth Emergence.'' That's not infinite realities. That's '''nine''' realities. And so what was up with Primus saying Unicron ate the previous Universe in us!Marvel#74? Was he just '''lying''' for no reason?

:My main complaint witht he Multiversal Unicron we were presented with si that it '''doesn't make sense''', not that they didnt' explain it all, it's that '''no''' possible explanation seems to explain it all. And not tiny inconstencies- massive, glaring fundamentally unworkable inconsistencies. Inconsistencies even in the material generated that's suppsoed to explain how this all works!

:Kang's explanation form Marvel comics, with time-travel and th war to pin down his various aspects works. Except- we'rs '''explicitly told''' that no, that's '''not''' the case. So... bah. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:19, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Primus and Unicron exist across multiple continuities, because they are Gods, and represent chaos and order. However, they CAN be removed from a given continuty, and still continue to exist in others.

Vector Prime exists across all continuities and times, because it's in his job description. (Even though he technically died, his "younger self" is still in the timestream, capable of visiting anywhere and anywhen.)

We know Unicron can manipulate time (Like when he yanked Galvatron II from a future timeline to use as his minion in the present) so it makes sense that he can travel through time. The only incongruity with this is if he is indeed a single entity hopping through timelines, then why would the Unicron singularity mess with him while he was in the Universe.. err.. Universe. It either wouldn't have happened to him yet, or would have been in his past; either way he wouldn't have gotten sucked into it from a different universe unless he either was a multiple Universe entity like Primus, or the singularity is something that winds up being both in his past and his future an infinite ammount of times.--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 07:16, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

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Wasn't The Last Autobot called such, because he was the last Autobot made by Primus? Shouldn't he have been one of the 13?

Or am I totally off base here? Again.--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 22:41, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Without more information, it's impossible to say. As far as I can tell, he's unique to the G1 comic continuity. Though he otherwise bears a number of striking resemblences to Vector Prime. In any case, this debate is probably better suited for [[Talk:Last_Autobot]].

T^he last Autobot was a name given to him by those who came later, not Primus. He's also known as The Ultimate Warrior and The Soulof Cybertron. He is convieniently refered to as TLA by fans because 1) his true name was never revealed 2) That was the tittle of one of the issues of the Marvel comic, giving the most 'weight' to that name of his 3. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:29, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
:(Part of comment deleted. I misread your statement. Sorry.) TLA is actually referred to as such by Optimus Prime on several occasions. It was in fact the title of issue #79 (something to keep in mind for disambiguation!), and Spike Witwicky also refers to himself as "TLA" in that issue. But at the same time, I'd say it's reasonably obvious that "TLA" is not the name Primus gave him.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 16:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
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As well as being mentioned in a Japanese timeline, Alpha Trion actually specically states that he is "a first generation product of Vector Sigma" in the TV show. Can't be sure of the episode offhand, but is very probably The Key To Vector Sigma.

I think that this may rule him out of being one of the Thirteen. -[[User:TheTurnipKing|TTK]]

:Really? I would have thought it made Alpha Trion an especially good candidate. I guess it comes down to what one considers Vector Sigma to be.... (By the way, please use signatures!)--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 16:20, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

:::Every flashback to the birth of the 13 shows them arising full-born from the ground. No Vector Sigma involved. Trion may be among the first of the first 'production generation' that came after that. (This, of course, holds up only until they retcon it, but ancient as Trion always seemed ot me- it was never 'ancient enough to be one of the 13.') -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:29, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

::::Certainly a plausible interpretation. But I wouldn't consider the matter closed one way or the other.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 18:32, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

:::::I can't remember where I read it, but I'm sure the thirteen were supposed to have been created BEFORE Primus became Cybetron. Vector Sigma apparently also pre-dated Cybertron, but I figure Vector Sigma wasn't pressed into service creating Transformers immediately. Infact, probably not 'till the Quintessons came along and installed the shell program that became the Oracle. But as you say, this period of Transformers pre-history is notoriously sketchy. I'll certainly be interested to see if they ever fill in the gaps. -[[User:TheTurnipKing|TTK]]

::::::The only pre-Cybertron Transformers I know of are from the text story [[Reaching the Omega Point]]. Before Primus trapped himself and Unicron in the planetoids, he had to be sure that the trick wour work, and that he would be able to shape his prison. So he shunted a bit of his essence into some lifeless rock and created the [[Covenant]], 12 Transformers based on our Earth zodiac. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 12:32, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::::Implicitly, [[Primon]] must also have been created before Cybertron, since we know he predates Prima as Matrix-holder and we know Prima was the first Transformer created on Cybertron. (Which may actually also imply that the Liege Maximo predates Cybertron... -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:02, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::::: Doesn't the Leige Maximo say though that when the first named Prime "rose from Cybertron" or something like that that he did too. That definately implies They were created there. Primon I think is simply an annomoly, a glitch in Furman's telling of the story that will likely never be followed up on.
::::::::: [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Liegemaximo.jpg] Here's the text. Considering we don't know when the "first named Prime" was created, that's a meaningless statement, so it's not helpful to us. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't this page be at "Thirteen original Transformers"? It would certainly make the bold part at the beginning look better. -[[User:LV|LV]] 06:44, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
: Done. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:47, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

=="Original"?==
Are these guys REALLY the first TFs? My reading of the stories puts the Covenant before them, since the whole idea of the Covenant being a test-run makes any functional predecessors nonsensical. I suppose the argument could be made that The 13 are fundamentally different beings from the rest of Transformerdom - maybe even easier for Primus to create - and a test was still necessary to determine if he could make creatures that were fully mired in space-time. (Though the Covenant was still AWARE of multi-dimensional events, and in fact seemed to serve much the same purpose as The 13...)

But even that aside, there's still the practical notion that The 13 were created ''for'' Cybertron, and Cybertron didn't exist yet when the Covenant was created. So, that having been said, what's the evidence that The 13 are actually "original"?

- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 15:44, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
:Basically: they aren't. If you include the Covenant, the Thirteen aren't the "original" Transformers at all, since they are necessarily predated by the Covenant for all the reasons you cite, as well as, inferentially, Primon and the Liege Maximo. Functionally, they are referred to as the "original thirteen" or "first thirteen" regardless of this, probably because not even Furman thinks about the Covenant when writing TF backstory. I think for logistical purposes it remains a useful name for them on this wiki - without it, they basically don't have any meaningful group name, and that's inconvenient - but I do think there should be some kind of indication in this article that some Transformers are more original than these fellows. -[[User:LV|LV]] 19:18, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

== The Ancients ==

I'm not sure where to place it, so I put it here as, um, sorta reference. :) --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 08:24, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:In the original Japanese dub of "Galaxy Force", [[Vector Prime]] is depicted as one of "The Ancients".

:According to the background settings of ''Galaxy Force'' anime, "The Ancients" is the earliest Transformers in the world/continuity of "Galaxy Force" (not "Cyertron").

:Though "The Thirteen" is mentioned by [http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/bible/index.html The World of Transformers], the site doesn't confirm that "The Thirteen = The Ancients" by far. What the site only mentioned is that there are two theories of the origin of Transformer race.

:So, by far, The Ancients is not the same group as The Thirteens, unless someday comes up an official information stating they are the same.
::Agreed. So shouldn't someone take the Logos Prime person off? --[[User:Boba Fett|Boba Fett]] 17:26, 17 May 2009 (EDT)

== Logos Prime ==

He's in both the confirmed and possible lists. Which is it? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:08, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:Magnus Maximus moved it to possible, Walky added to confirmed but didn't remove the possible, MM removed the duplicate in "confirmed", Walky blocked MM over it and readded it to "confirmed" while still leaving it in "possible". - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:12, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:: Argh, there's MORE stuff to change back? Is this the same dude we were reverting before? Some dude out there has a really serious hate-on for this Logos Prime thing. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:13, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Uhm... I don't think content was deleted here, just the "confirmed" status of Logos Prime questioned.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:14, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::::What's left to confirm? The evidence is stacked up. Logos Prime would have to be the red herring of red herrings to not be what this wiki says, and that's kind of ridiculous. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:17, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::Derik, what the hell. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:43, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::Y'know, ''by definition'' if this 13 crap covers THEWHOLEENTIRETFMULTIVERSEBYE, then Macaddam should be in "confirmed"... :p - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 23:08, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Not in a story that is specifically stated to be non-canon, "just for fun." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:15, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::::On a multiverse level, it's impossible NOT to be canon. Which is one of my major problems with this whole pile, actually. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 23:31, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::[[Author intent]] should be something this wiki describes and leaves up to individual fan judgment--not something we firmly take sides on in establishing internal-to-story facts. The entire reason we have articles for the "real" Transformer characters [[Geosensus]] and [[Paddles]] is that Cian's proviso is contradicted by the pre-existing context of a TF Multiverse, which I suspect he never knew existed. Having said that, Legends never actually specifically says Maccadam is one of the 13; it says he's multiversal, which fulfills ''half'' of the joke from the Ultimate Guide.<--Thy, can't login on IE.

So... MM moved the info (not '''deleted''' it, '''moved'''), Walky put the info back in the old place thus meaning the info was now put twice on the page, then banned MM because he removed one of the duplicate instances? Just making sure I got this straight. 
And no, MM is not the same guy we were reverting before. MM is the guy who's been adding a lot of valuable info like missing covers and stuff on the commercial bumper and scene transition pages. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:16, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:Yeah, you got it straight. He originally blocked him for a month as "YOU ARE DELETING CONTENT RIGHT NOW", then cut it to a week as "It's not smart to get in a revert war with an admin." - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 23:31, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::Well, then, remind me never to correct any mistakes, because I apparently might get reverted and banned for it. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:50, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::That occurred to me too... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 09:28, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

:So the original change was related to the previous discussion on this talk page about the Ancients not being the same thing as the first Thirteen? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:28, 28 May 2009 (EDT)
::Correct. [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Thirteen_original_Transformers&diff=301252&oldid=301026 MM edit 1 diff], [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Thirteen_original_Transformers&diff=next&oldid=301252 Willis adds a duplicate], [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Thirteen_original_Transformers&diff=next&oldid=301254 MM removes duplicate], [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Thirteen_original_Transformers&diff=next&oldid=301257 Willis reverts previous edit]. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 09:28, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

:::Based on this, I'm going out on a limb here and unbanning the guy. Seems like a pretty draconian punishment over what appears to be mostly a misunderstanding. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 10:58, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

Well, that was fun. Thanks for getting this situation sorted, guys. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 09:31, 29 May 2009 (EDT)

== Nexus Maximus ==

The five silhouettes next to Vector Prime seem to strongly resemble the individual components of Nexus Maximus, and since the five are both Transformers and part of a being considered "one of the thirteen", is it possible that they are numbered members as well? I mean, technically they are five transformers that were created in the first batch, so maybe?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 06:09, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

I would say no. Nexus Maximus is a member of the 13, but his 5 component pieces aren't. [[Special:Contributions/76.240.201.195|76.240.201.195]] 18:39, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

==Defiance==
To be clear - is that image depicting the trans-dimensional whatsits, or the first batch of "Transformers" made to serve them?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 06:09, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
:The first batch of "Transformers." There are actually two more in a different panel but this was the best group shot. [[:Image:Defianceissue4-creation.jpg|This is]] the creation of the trans-dimensional whatsits. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 07:50, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
::Okay, then the text needs to make that clearer, because right now it reads as if it's equating these Seekers/Constructicons with the Fallen and such.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 17:42, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

== Trans-dimensional AllSpark creations ==

Zuh? Why not The Thirteen?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:14, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
:Well, they aren't Transformers for one thing. They are a separate race. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:15, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
::...but we have no reason to believe they're not The Thirteen.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:16, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
:::Oh. Hmmm. The 13 aren't Transformers? That article should be renamed then. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:20, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
::::The article is just... I don't know. I don't think it conveys information. I think if anything it ''obfuscates'' information to obey some sort of semantic point.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:24, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::They do play the same general role. It didn't occur to me that they might be the 13 since they aren't Transformers. The articles would have to be merged carefully. In the live-action continuity there is the Fallen's race ''and'' 13 original Transformers (which would be the first 13 beings of the new Transformer's race). - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:41, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
::::::You invented what amounts to a fan term to explain what you believe to be a contradiction. We are needlessly multiplying entities here.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:31, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::The Fallen: "It gave us workers, but they were ''not like us''. They were special and were to be the first of ''your race''. Creatures born with the ability to change their forms." It seems pretty clear the Fallen's kind aren't Transformers. The Fallen could be distorting the facts, I suppose (he is The Fallen), or has a fuzzy memory. I'm not against merging this with the 13 Transformers, but I would be interested in how it was explained. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:48, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::::I dunno, saying that the Fallen and his brothers "aren't Transformers" seems to me to be a bit like saying we shouldn't have [[Beta]] in the Female Transformers category. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 22:07, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Hell, half the Matrix Guides, including Alpha Trion, shouldn't be considered Transformers! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:09, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::That doesn't seem to be a contradiction at all, Starfield. Even in the original continuity that had the thirteen, wasn't transformation an invention from later on? And Vector Prime still was eventually able to do it, so it's not unreasonable to assume that while the Trans-dimensionals weren't ''born'' with the ability to change their form, they modified themselves to do it. Which is why the Fallen can turn into a space fighter now.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 07:47, 28 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I still propose nuking it, but until we get consensus on that, I'm putting the shenanigans tag on it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:54, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Call me crazy, but I have this feeling there may be an actual name for these dudes soon. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:08, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::And on what are you basing this? I keep asking this, but you keep making up unofficial terms for things.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:15, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::The ROTF adaptation comic. I understand we aren't supposed to use that yet for spoiler reasons. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:22, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Okay, let me spell this out. There is at present no definition of this term you've invented that does not completely overlap with the Thirteen. Every member of the Thirteen is one of these, and every one of these is one of the Thirteen. Even if we accept that this is somehow a meaningful term, there is no way to separate it from the Thirteen. To pretend otherwise is to be painfully obtuse.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:14, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
Nuke it from orbit. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:18, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
:Y'all kinda seem to be jumping down Starfield's throat... IITC the Transdimensional beings page was created as a sorta precautionary things back then Alliance was still coming out when we weren't sure how it'd play out-- or even if the Fallen was a multiversal singularity. (We thought probably yes, but there was room foe debate, and the movie stuff IS '''awfully''' messy.)
:...of course it's just as likely that I'm missing something, in which case, please proceed tearing him a new transdimensional arsehole. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:29, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
::I'd like a transdimensional arsehole. I bet it would mean you wouldn't even have to get up to go to the bathroom. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:30, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
::I'm not taking it personally. It always was kind of a sloppy placeholder. I honestly thought they were going a different direction when I read Defiance 4, but now it looks like it is shaping up pretty good continuity wise. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:41, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
:::That's all well and good, but the article, as well as his defense of the term, continued long after its (however dubious) usefulness expired. So, I've nuked the article and archived the discussion here for posterity.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:36, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Oh, is ''that'' what's going on? ''<tt>slowpoke.jpg</tt>''
::::Well, I've certainly been there myself! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:38, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

== Prima ==

Why is Prima on this list? I would have thought Primon would be the more likely choice m'self. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:01, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:He is confirmed in at least one continuity as the first Cybertronian. Thus, he's the first of the Thirteen. Funny, innit?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:03, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::Which continuity, and sauce? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:45, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Marvel G1. Not explicitly stated, but able to be deduced.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:50, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::::But I don't think Prima should be on there. Primon seem to predate him/her.
::::If a guidebook SAID Prima was one of the 13 or something, that'd be different. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:22, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

Well here's how it goes, we have a Marvel G1 issue and a Marvel G2 issue which depict the first Cybertronian. One of those issues depicts said first Cybertronian as the first Matrix-Bearer. Marvel G1 also has a litany of the Matrix-Bearers which the Creation Matrix itself recites at several times during Matrix Quest, thus establishing this figure, though visually quite different the two times we see him, as Prima. So, insofar as anything can be consistent within Marvel G1 given the vast artistic differences which sprang up, the first Cybertronian and first Matrix-Bearer is Prima.

Pri''mon'' however has a far more fuzzy pedigree, a smaller corpus of source material establishing him, and his membership in the Thirteen is also predicated upon the Liege Maximo being a member, which is ''probable'', but as we've discussed before never really confirmed in official source material.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:29, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

:Your answer is full of fail and conjecture.
:Nevertheless, it got ''me'' to check the source material. The Ultimate Guide explicitly says Prima is one of the 13 on page 15. Further, Prima is their '''leader'''. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:40, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::Were I not at work, I could have done the same. But alas, I am limited until I hop in my car and drive home. I still say my answer is close enough for government work, though.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:43, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
{{quote|In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve.|Tocqueville}} -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:50, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
=="New Divide" video==
Hey, uh, there seems to be a very short clip of what appear to be silhouettes of some of the Thirteen... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:36, 12 June 2009 (EDT)
:Which one. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:51, 12 June 2009 (EDT)
::[[Image:NewDivide-silhouettes.jpg|thumb|300px|I wonder which one Vector Prime is!]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:08, 12 June 2009 (EDT)
:::So can any of our U.K. friends confirm or deny if these are indeed the Thirteen? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:13, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Weeellll... okay, spoilers to be safe... they ARE the Primes, the original Transformers, as it were. But... if I heard the dialogue right, and I'm not SWEARING that I did, but I have seen other people say they heard the same thing... IN the film itself... there are stated to only SEVEN of them. And the events of Defiance are really... at odds with the movie , too. In the gentlest terms. Honestly, I was watching the movie, and every so often something happened to make me go "Aw, fuck, the wiki's going to have its work cut out for it here." - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:28, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Yep, there's a mistake in there. Seven is definitely the number. The Fallen being so named because he chose to eradicate life in his quest for Energon (think Captain Ranson in Star Trek Voyager "Equinox"). Optimus Prime is apparently their last descendant (how they know this is not explained, nor is the concept of Primes, and why only a Prime can defeat the Fallen, when it looks like anybody can do what Prime finally did). Oh, and none of them look like any of our Primes. In fact they all look like the Fallen (customisers should be buying multiple Fallen toys to make them!) [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 20:05, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

:What a pain. Yet I think that will probably make patching things around the 13 easier.... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:11, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
::The only thing that would make this work with past information is if the Thirteen aren't multiversal singularities, and since the Powers That Be reconfirmed that at Botcon, I can only assume (or hope) that they have something planned for the Thirteen that will straighten this out. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:21, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:::You have to remember, there's already the "oddity" that the birth of these guys 13 doesn't really match other depictions-- and the AllSpark being some sort of sun-destroying monstrosity is... not very Primus-y. I think there's definitely wiggle room here. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:25, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Oddly, the adaptations say 13. How do we know what we know about the AllSpark and harvesters and the original Transformers? There is only one of them left. He wouldn't lie for his own purposes would he? They could, if they wanted, make much of the ROTF backstory be a load of bullcrap made up by The Fallen. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:46, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Maybe we can wilfully ignore {{redact|the seven thing as a mistake like Brawl/Devastator? In the Feb 2009 issue of Toyfare, producer [[Lorenzo di Bonaventura]] stated that The Fallen was a member of The Thirteen, and that we should think of the Thirteen as "apostles". So clearly, the movie production did number the Primes as thirteen quite late into post production.}} --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:06, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::"Mistakes" do happen in fiction, and we acknowledge them as such. (The art errors in the marvel comic, for example.)
::::::So even if the {{redact|the ancient Primes being the 13}} is a mistake, that still leaves us with The Fallen being The Fallen.
::::::The real question is how ''subsequent'' fiction addresses this. If it keeps re-iterating {{redact|the ancient Primes are the 13}} then that's a problem we have to deal with.
::::::I'm really beginning to suspect that the end scenario is going to be {{redact|there were some ancient beings, 7 in one story, 13 in another}} and just void any connection to the 13 entirely-- then figure out how to deal with The Fallen being The Fallen separately. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:17, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Also, re:{{redact|Devastator... there was a comment on the Brawl talk page recently claiming that the letters page to Titan #3 said that Devastator and Brawl are separate near-identical Transformers.}} Can McSweeny confirm whether this is true or not? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:26, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

So I'm watching [http://emopanda.com/tmp/eps/Linkin_Park_-_New_Divide.mp4 New Divide] and I'm confused... is the screencap Walky posted above {{redact|from the beginning of the movie, where everyone was working in the valley, or the end, during SAM's NDE}}? Can someone who's seen the movie answer this? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:20, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

:Haha, this is where it gets {{redact|metaphysical. Sam dies, and the Matrix (which at this point in the film has disintegrated into dust and is kept in a rolled up sock) merges with Sam. The next scene then features Sam in Heaven/The Matrix/Nirvana/The Tunnel with the Light at the End where he meets the Seven Prime/Fallen Clones. They tell him that they have been watching him and that the Matrix is not an object but a state of mind/personality quality, and he's got it, so go wake up from this death and kick some ass. He then is resurrected and the Matrix is now completely reformed into its key/boomerang formation, which he then sticks into Prime's chest. But then somebody else steals it again to stick into the Fallen's Galvatron Machine from the UK comics}} [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 08:04, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::Yes I know this. I've read the book. I construe from your response that this screencap is from the latter half of the movie? (It's a yes or no question... god forbid you manage to ''explicitly'' answer it.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:01, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:::That's a yes. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 14:52, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

It actually works out pretty easily. Those seven don't have to be the ''only'' members of the Thirteen, just the ones that gave their lives to seal The Fallen away and secure the Star Harvester.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:17, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

:Except there are multiple versions of "Movie" continuity (IDW and Titan) and the original 13 are singularities... so how do these 7 manged to die '''twice''' and their corpses show up in different universes? {{redact|for that matter, how does The Fallen manage to die in multiple continuities? He has but one life to give for the Multiverse!}} -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:24, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::Transformers: The Movie Universe implies that The Fallen has to work to maintain corporeality in a universe. It is possible that killing the physical form of one of the Thirteen is nowhere near as final as it may sound.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:26, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

:::Would Vector Prime's fate at the end of Cybertron support that? I have only passing knowledge of that show but didn't they show him fighting on in some other dimension after his "Death"? That could work on the same principle.--[[Special:Contributions/71.235.138.121|71.235.138.121]] 07:10, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Vector Prime was shown to be fighting Galvatron in the end-credits montage, so he's clearly not completely dead. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:36, 23 June 2009 (EDT)

== Logos Prime ==

If the Fallen represents Entropy, and Vector Prime represents time... what would Logos Prime represent? His hub-ship-thing seems to be tied to his "area of responsibility" somehow... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:55, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
:Opposition or competition? Some kind of "Balancing forces" deal, probably, judging by the story.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 04:23, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
::So... "Logos" arguably, logic? 10:39, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
:::I don't think their given names actually have anything to do with their charge - Vector isn't in charge of directions, and Nexus is in charge of Energon, not connections. Maybe the name's are personally chosen, or represent their personalities?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 12:27, 23 June 2009 (EDT)

== Twelve Apostles ==

Would it be at all acceptable to mention somewhere on the page the obvious basis of Jesus and the twelve apostles, or even how specific members of the Thirteen seem to be based on specific apostles?

For example:
*Prima is the chosen leader of the thirteen, carries Primus lifeforce in the form of the matrix (and so, is Primus's "child"), and his name even fits the ancient roman naming scheme for your children (well, daughters) - remove "us", fit "a".
*The Fallen is obviously Judas.
*Vector Prime appears to fit the role of Peter - the most loyal, who serves throughout time safeguarding the Transformers. He certainly acts like a space-pope, anyway.

Of course, beyond that, there's unlikely to be any use of the archetype, but would it at least be worth mentioning?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 04:49, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
:We have a good source for that comparison with [[Lorenzo di Bonaventura]]'s interview in ''Toyfare'' (February 2009). [[Special:Contributions/79.67.234.198|79.67.234.198]] 05:16, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
:I say we don't have enought info though. Afterall, we don't know about the Logo Prime or Nexus Maximus people. --[[User:Boba Fett|Boba Fett]] 14:10, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
::We know that the group as a whole is supposed to act as apostles to Primus. And yes, we can't really fit Logos or Nexus to a historical apostle, but we're extremely unlikely to, because beyond Jesus, Judas, and Peter, the various apostles are only really remembered for Catholic feast holidays, and aren't that culturally significant.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 14:22, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Oh,yeah...except for 'doubting Thomas'. OK --[[User:Boba Fett|Boba Fett]] 18:02, 23 June 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Thirteen

2009-06-23T18:10:14Z

Boba Fett: /* Twelve Apostles */

{{Note|At the Botcon 2009 Question panel, [[Forest Lee]] (Hasbro's internal TF continuity guy) when asked what The Fallen would be like in "Shattered Glass" finally stated explicitly that The Fallen '''was''' a multiversal singularity-- there is no "SG" Fallen.. there is only The Fallen, one guy. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:14, 3 June 2009 (EDT) reported by Walky}}

==Multiversal singularities==
Are the first 13 all "continuity singularities" as Primus and Unicron are? One version existing across all realities? Vector Prime definately seems to be, and Maccadam as well if you include "Prime Spark" as cannon. Thoughts? [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 11:51, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

How can Unicron jump continuities wih all his different HISTORIES? he spent MILLIONS OF YEARS as Cybertrons' MOON fergods sake!

The whole singularities thing is a godawful mess. You have to start acceptign that Unicron, who DEMONSTRABLY spends tens or tens of MILLIONs of years in individual continuities is time-travelign as WELL as jumping continuities. Which is fine, but for some reason in the Armada comic he doesn't, and no one's ever even HEARD of Unicron before, he's a completely external threat with no history in this universe.

But then, I think brad Mick intended Thundercracker to be one of the 13, so what do I know? It's not like I have a decent track record at pattern recognition or anything... ''*cough*predaconpolitics*cough*''

Also, IS Primus a singularity across all continuities? I could have sworn we saw him DIE. ''I hate the sucky TFU-type Multiverse! it sucks, it sucks '''so hard''' Gregory!'' -[[User:Derik|Derik]]

...why is it impossible that no one's ever heard of Unicron in the Armada universe until he shows up? It makes perfect sense to me. Hell, the only person who's ever even investigated or shown more than a little interest Cybertron's past in the Armadaverse is Overrun, and he was from another universe anyway. If there's only one Unicron and infinite universes, of COURSE he's going to be new to some of them! Derik, start making sense. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:27, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

but if he's new to SOMe of them, how is he ancient in MANY of them? :~( does he exist simultaneously in the past of many universes? The marvel US Comic and Aramda toon BOTh, for instance, have Unicron at different locations in space in the year 1977. Is he time-traveling?

I guess mostly i just bitch because I think it sucks. -[[User:Derik|Derik]]

I took it as a given that he time-travels when he moves between dimensions. This isn't really that hard to figure out, man. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:48, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Say, do we know enough about how the TF multiverse works to say for sure that when it's 1977 in one universe it's 1977 in them all?
--[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]]

The Ultimate Guide refers to the non-Fallen original Cybertronic Transformers as "Prima and the Twelve", which, while not clear, implies to me that Prima is in addition to the twelve. Also, I see no reason to casually discount Primon's existence or Matrix-holding simply because we know Prima was the first Transformer on Cybertron - we know there were Transformers before Cybertron because the Covenant of Primus predate its creation. Primon could have held the Matrix before Prima ever existed.

Maccaddam being anything other than a bar-owner was a goddamn joke, and Legends explicitly de-continuities itself so its stories can't be used to support arguments. Prime Spark was a [[WARendfeld]] story anyway.

''(next part of argument contains minor spoilers for the club comic''

And I don't understand the concern about Unicron at all. He's not one guy who travels between all continuities, he's a single entity that exists in all continuities (or none, presently) simultaneously. That's why the Unicron the TFU away team flew to was in the depths of our space in Year-The-End-Of-BM-Plus-One but vanished when the Unicron in Energon was destroyed. Simply because he was a dormant moon in the Armadaverse in 1991 has no bearing on his activities in 1991 in the G1 comic (eating Cybertron) or the G1 cartoon (cruising around the universe to a groovy synth soundtrack). The same is clearly true of Primus - otherwise, you have to assume he's been physically dimension-hopping-and-time-travelling around the multiverse as well, which is not the case because otherwise there would only be a Cybertron in one universe at any given time. The club comic's discussion of Cybertron-as-hinge-point supports my view, I think.

Vector Prime is unlike Unicron and Primus in that he is a single entity existing in a single continuity at any given time, no different from Axer. It's possible that one of the Twelve in every continuity is a Vector Prime analogue, but in my opinion we don't have nearly enough evidence to say one way or another. -[[User:LV|LV]] 15:26, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I disagree strongly, LV. Though Unicron has the ability to move between dimensions at will, he is confined to one universe at a time. According to the Club comic itself, Primus is "a single, infinite curvea cross all realities; the only truly unique thing in all of creation." Unicron is "bound always by his imprisonment in a physical body, he's been incapable of destroying mroe than one reality at a time." Thing is, being dead in the black hole *changed* this dynamic. The Unicron singularity is what has, for the first time, consolidated the Unicron of allwhens into one black hole which is beginning to perpetuate itself across every timeline. This is why Cybertron's Unicron is beginning to affect Universe's Unicron. This occurrence is a new situation, unique to this storyline. It can't be used as evidence to support Unicron's properties in normal circumstances. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:21, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Then I agree with Derik. If Unicron only exists one place at one time, it is essentially irreconcilable with what has been shown in the fiction. If Unicron can happily time-travel when he changes dimensions, then there is nothing preventing him from existing in all dimensions simultaneously. He simply travels to the beginning of each when he leaves the previous one, thus existing linearly from his own perspective but simultaneously across all universes from every single other being's. You cannot have a time-and-space-travelling Unicron and a Unicron that can only be in one dimension at a time from any perspective but his own. In other words, as was said already, we can definitely place Unicron in at least two continuities in 1991, since he was actively eating Cybertron and orbiting Cybertron. If canon says otherwise, then it's canon, but it is fundamentally illogical and unworkable. And yes yes, transforming aliens from a planet the size of Saturn made of metal blah blah blah, but there is "unrealistic premise" and there is "an explanation which in no ways accounts for any of the material it purports to explain". But oh well. -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:32, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

But they were two different 1991s, man, in different timelines. He's not in 1991 twice at the same time, he's in two distinct 1991s at different times. Hell, as Kil said above, we don't even know that when it's 1977 in one universe, it's 1977 in them all. Hell, when it's 2030AD in the Unicron Trilogy, it's been demonstrated that it's apparently ~2350AD in Generation 1! I do not see it as irreconcileable. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:47, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

This is the sort of thing which is better illustrated with a picture, but Unicron CANNOT time-travel when changing dimensions without allowing the possibility of existing in multiple continuities simultaneously. That is just the way it is with multiple simultaneously-existing timelines. If you do not want them to be the same year, that is fine. Unicron can nonetheless exist in 2030AD in UT and 2350AD in G1 simultaneously if he can time-travel.

It is not an issue for debate; the canon says what it says. However, the canonical explanation is irrational. -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:50, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Wow. Here I was thinking no one would respond to this while I was at work and I come back to "this." Let's put this in talking points:

1) Primus is one single pan-dimensional being existing simultaniously in all continuities. We're all agreed on that right? We can like it or dislike it, but at the moment that's what cannon says.

2)Unicron has only ever existed in one continuity at a time (until Cybertron). Fine. Let's look at that. It *IS* odd that the brothers would be different this way without explination and that if he could jump through time and dimensions completely at will he wouldn't always jump to the begining of each one, and so, yes, to all perspectives but his own exist everywhen at once. There are two possible solutions to that part of the issue: either A) He can't travel through time in an unlimited fasion but only make small jumps time-wise or with great difficulty, or B) He cannot travel in time at all, not even when he jumps universes, but as Walky suggested, time is not in the same reletive place across universe. ie - When it's 1985 in the cartoon maybe it's only 1945 in the IDW books. If he jumped between them he would seem to travel intime but would not actually do so. Do those work, at least as a plausible enough to forget the iffyness solutions?

3)Why dismiss Maccadam as a joke? The entry in the DK guide seemed perfectly serious to me. Did it leave question as to whether it was true or a rummor? Sure. But I don't see anything that leans the suggestion one way or another. I rather like the idea myself. Legends, does put itself purposefully out of continuity, true, BUT when you're dealing with a multiverse can you totally do that? I mean if there are infinite universes the ones from Legends must be included in their somewhere right?

4)Getting back to my original question: Is the concensus that there are multiple Vector Prime's across continuities? It just seems that if his job is to safeguard space time that'd make things awefully complicated with ALL of him jumping around and constantly running into each other. Would one single Primus make an infinitude of reality jumping Vector Primes? And if he did, why doesn't an infinite army of VPs show up at each trouble spot to deal with the problem and wipe out and Unicron/Decepticon problems while they're at it? So far we've only seen ONE Vector Prime at work across the whole spectrum of past TF universe. We're sure he's not a singularity?

[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:15, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I can no longer make conclusions about Vector Prime based on the ludicrous canonical explanation for Unicron, so I abstain from commenting on him. However, I maintain that the reference in the UG to Maccaddam is clearly a joke - they're talking about a bar, and they immediately say that this absurd claim that the barkeeper is a legendary ancient Transformer with the observation that they serve extremely strong drinks. It's a joke about being drunk. Entirely in-character for Furman. -[[User:LV|LV]] 00:29, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

See I just don't read the Maccadam entry that way at all. It reads serious to me. The final line is meant to put a bit of humorus doubt on the rest, but only a bit of doubt/mystery IMO. Maccadam's has always been a bit of a special place and a pet local of Furman's and I can totally see him quite seriously setting it up to be used this way. I guess we'll just have to agree to differ in our takes on it. The important thing for the Wikki is that Maccadam remains a rumored, but not confirmed, member of the 13. [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 01:33, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I had another thought, the better to muddy the waters. With Unicron and Primus having god or near-god status, could their being the same, er, being doesn't necessarily mean they're actually bouncing back and forth between dimensions and times all the time? Could they be 'aspects' or 'splinters' of the same being?
(Way to be obscure: There's a ''Doctor Who'' story called ''The City of Death'' which has a neat example, but moving on...)
This could be what makes them so hard to finally kill, if they've got the entirety of their 'selves' spread out across multiple realities at a time. This also means it's not hard for Unicron to attack in the Marvel reality in 1991, the Dreamwave UT reality in 2003, the Movie reality in 2005, and so on. He doesn't (always) travel between dimensions, he just already exists that way.
Hmmm...OK, maybe that made sense.
[[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 05:41, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

:If Macadam as a member of the 13 was a joke, why did the pictue of Macadam's bad show characters from multiple continuities?

:Everyone sseems really comfortable saying "There's only one Primus, just liek Unicron." I admit I've msised some material lately- vould someone please tell me '''where''' this was established? Because-- we've kinda seen Primus die.

::and Unicron. But it's a fair point. For all their apparent similarities, Primus and Unicron represent fundamentally different things, so it's not unreasonable to assume that some aspects of them differ wildly. If Unicron represents chaos, then his random appearances and contradictory histories suddenly make quite a bit more sense to me. He's not MEANT to obey the normal rules. It's against his very nature.

:Unicron time-traveling I dont' really gundamentally have a hard time accepting. We saw in Worlds Collide (?) that the untuned Transwarp Space Bridge portals were flittign across space AND time, showing pictures of the distant past (BW) and buture (BW Neo/BM) as well as plainly laternate worlds (RiD.) So it's '''possible''' that Whisper's world Unicron was coming from int he very deep and distant future, and he decided that the Armada-toonverse was weak and ignorant enough he could just show up in the present and demolish it, and didn't need to lay deep plans to do so.

:But- where the hell did dreamwave!Armada's Mini-cons come from then if not Unicron?

:Has Unicron even marauded across 'infinite' realities? In Worlds Collide they call it his ''Ninth Emergence.'' That's not infinite realities. That's '''nine''' realities. And so what was up with Primus saying Unicron ate the previous Universe in us!Marvel#74? Was he just '''lying''' for no reason?

:My main complaint witht he Multiversal Unicron we were presented with si that it '''doesn't make sense''', not that they didnt' explain it all, it's that '''no''' possible explanation seems to explain it all. And not tiny inconstencies- massive, glaring fundamentally unworkable inconsistencies. Inconsistencies even in the material generated that's suppsoed to explain how this all works!

:Kang's explanation form Marvel comics, with time-travel and th war to pin down his various aspects works. Except- we'rs '''explicitly told''' that no, that's '''not''' the case. So... bah. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:19, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Primus and Unicron exist across multiple continuities, because they are Gods, and represent chaos and order. However, they CAN be removed from a given continuty, and still continue to exist in others.

Vector Prime exists across all continuities and times, because it's in his job description. (Even though he technically died, his "younger self" is still in the timestream, capable of visiting anywhere and anywhen.)

We know Unicron can manipulate time (Like when he yanked Galvatron II from a future timeline to use as his minion in the present) so it makes sense that he can travel through time. The only incongruity with this is if he is indeed a single entity hopping through timelines, then why would the Unicron singularity mess with him while he was in the Universe.. err.. Universe. It either wouldn't have happened to him yet, or would have been in his past; either way he wouldn't have gotten sucked into it from a different universe unless he either was a multiple Universe entity like Primus, or the singularity is something that winds up being both in his past and his future an infinite ammount of times.--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 07:16, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

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Wasn't The Last Autobot called such, because he was the last Autobot made by Primus? Shouldn't he have been one of the 13?

Or am I totally off base here? Again.--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 22:41, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Without more information, it's impossible to say. As far as I can tell, he's unique to the G1 comic continuity. Though he otherwise bears a number of striking resemblences to Vector Prime. In any case, this debate is probably better suited for [[Talk:Last_Autobot]].

T^he last Autobot was a name given to him by those who came later, not Primus. He's also known as The Ultimate Warrior and The Soulof Cybertron. He is convieniently refered to as TLA by fans because 1) his true name was never revealed 2) That was the tittle of one of the issues of the Marvel comic, giving the most 'weight' to that name of his 3. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:29, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
:(Part of comment deleted. I misread your statement. Sorry.) TLA is actually referred to as such by Optimus Prime on several occasions. It was in fact the title of issue #79 (something to keep in mind for disambiguation!), and Spike Witwicky also refers to himself as "TLA" in that issue. But at the same time, I'd say it's reasonably obvious that "TLA" is not the name Primus gave him.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 16:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
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As well as being mentioned in a Japanese timeline, Alpha Trion actually specically states that he is "a first generation product of Vector Sigma" in the TV show. Can't be sure of the episode offhand, but is very probably The Key To Vector Sigma.

I think that this may rule him out of being one of the Thirteen. -[[User:TheTurnipKing|TTK]]

:Really? I would have thought it made Alpha Trion an especially good candidate. I guess it comes down to what one considers Vector Sigma to be.... (By the way, please use signatures!)--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 16:20, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

:::Every flashback to the birth of the 13 shows them arising full-born from the ground. No Vector Sigma involved. Trion may be among the first of the first 'production generation' that came after that. (This, of course, holds up only until they retcon it, but ancient as Trion always seemed ot me- it was never 'ancient enough to be one of the 13.') -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:29, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

::::Certainly a plausible interpretation. But I wouldn't consider the matter closed one way or the other.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 18:32, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

:::::I can't remember where I read it, but I'm sure the thirteen were supposed to have been created BEFORE Primus became Cybetron. Vector Sigma apparently also pre-dated Cybertron, but I figure Vector Sigma wasn't pressed into service creating Transformers immediately. Infact, probably not 'till the Quintessons came along and installed the shell program that became the Oracle. But as you say, this period of Transformers pre-history is notoriously sketchy. I'll certainly be interested to see if they ever fill in the gaps. -[[User:TheTurnipKing|TTK]]

::::::The only pre-Cybertron Transformers I know of are from the text story [[Reaching the Omega Point]]. Before Primus trapped himself and Unicron in the planetoids, he had to be sure that the trick wour work, and that he would be able to shape his prison. So he shunted a bit of his essence into some lifeless rock and created the [[Covenant]], 12 Transformers based on our Earth zodiac. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 12:32, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::::Implicitly, [[Primon]] must also have been created before Cybertron, since we know he predates Prima as Matrix-holder and we know Prima was the first Transformer created on Cybertron. (Which may actually also imply that the Liege Maximo predates Cybertron... -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:02, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::::: Doesn't the Leige Maximo say though that when the first named Prime "rose from Cybertron" or something like that that he did too. That definately implies They were created there. Primon I think is simply an annomoly, a glitch in Furman's telling of the story that will likely never be followed up on.
::::::::: [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Liegemaximo.jpg] Here's the text. Considering we don't know when the "first named Prime" was created, that's a meaningless statement, so it's not helpful to us. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't this page be at "Thirteen original Transformers"? It would certainly make the bold part at the beginning look better. -[[User:LV|LV]] 06:44, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
: Done. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:47, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

=="Original"?==
Are these guys REALLY the first TFs? My reading of the stories puts the Covenant before them, since the whole idea of the Covenant being a test-run makes any functional predecessors nonsensical. I suppose the argument could be made that The 13 are fundamentally different beings from the rest of Transformerdom - maybe even easier for Primus to create - and a test was still necessary to determine if he could make creatures that were fully mired in space-time. (Though the Covenant was still AWARE of multi-dimensional events, and in fact seemed to serve much the same purpose as The 13...)

But even that aside, there's still the practical notion that The 13 were created ''for'' Cybertron, and Cybertron didn't exist yet when the Covenant was created. So, that having been said, what's the evidence that The 13 are actually "original"?

- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 15:44, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
:Basically: they aren't. If you include the Covenant, the Thirteen aren't the "original" Transformers at all, since they are necessarily predated by the Covenant for all the reasons you cite, as well as, inferentially, Primon and the Liege Maximo. Functionally, they are referred to as the "original thirteen" or "first thirteen" regardless of this, probably because not even Furman thinks about the Covenant when writing TF backstory. I think for logistical purposes it remains a useful name for them on this wiki - without it, they basically don't have any meaningful group name, and that's inconvenient - but I do think there should be some kind of indication in this article that some Transformers are more original than these fellows. -[[User:LV|LV]] 19:18, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

== The Ancients ==

I'm not sure where to place it, so I put it here as, um, sorta reference. :) --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 08:24, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:In the original Japanese dub of "Galaxy Force", [[Vector Prime]] is depicted as one of "The Ancients".

:According to the background settings of ''Galaxy Force'' anime, "The Ancients" is the earliest Transformers in the world/continuity of "Galaxy Force" (not "Cyertron").

:Though "The Thirteen" is mentioned by [http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/bible/index.html The World of Transformers], the site doesn't confirm that "The Thirteen = The Ancients" by far. What the site only mentioned is that there are two theories of the origin of Transformer race.

:So, by far, The Ancients is not the same group as The Thirteens, unless someday comes up an official information stating they are the same.
::Agreed. So shouldn't someone take the Logos Prime person off? --[[User:Boba Fett|Boba Fett]] 17:26, 17 May 2009 (EDT)

== Logos Prime ==

He's in both the confirmed and possible lists. Which is it? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:08, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:Magnus Maximus moved it to possible, Walky added to confirmed but didn't remove the possible, MM removed the duplicate in "confirmed", Walky blocked MM over it and readded it to "confirmed" while still leaving it in "possible". - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:12, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:: Argh, there's MORE stuff to change back? Is this the same dude we were reverting before? Some dude out there has a really serious hate-on for this Logos Prime thing. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:13, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Uhm... I don't think content was deleted here, just the "confirmed" status of Logos Prime questioned.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:14, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::::What's left to confirm? The evidence is stacked up. Logos Prime would have to be the red herring of red herrings to not be what this wiki says, and that's kind of ridiculous. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:17, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::Derik, what the hell. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:43, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::Y'know, ''by definition'' if this 13 crap covers THEWHOLEENTIRETFMULTIVERSEBYE, then Macaddam should be in "confirmed"... :p - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 23:08, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Not in a story that is specifically stated to be non-canon, "just for fun." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:15, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::::On a multiverse level, it's impossible NOT to be canon. Which is one of my major problems with this whole pile, actually. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 23:31, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::[[Author intent]] should be something this wiki describes and leaves up to individual fan judgment--not something we firmly take sides on in establishing internal-to-story facts. The entire reason we have articles for the "real" Transformer characters [[Geosensus]] and [[Paddles]] is that Cian's proviso is contradicted by the pre-existing context of a TF Multiverse, which I suspect he never knew existed. Having said that, Legends never actually specifically says Maccadam is one of the 13; it says he's multiversal, which fulfills ''half'' of the joke from the Ultimate Guide.<--Thy, can't login on IE.

So... MM moved the info (not '''deleted''' it, '''moved'''), Walky put the info back in the old place thus meaning the info was now put twice on the page, then banned MM because he removed one of the duplicate instances? Just making sure I got this straight. 
And no, MM is not the same guy we were reverting before. MM is the guy who's been adding a lot of valuable info like missing covers and stuff on the commercial bumper and scene transition pages. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:16, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:Yeah, you got it straight. He originally blocked him for a month as "YOU ARE DELETING CONTENT RIGHT NOW", then cut it to a week as "It's not smart to get in a revert war with an admin." - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 23:31, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::Well, then, remind me never to correct any mistakes, because I apparently might get reverted and banned for it. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:50, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::That occurred to me too... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 09:28, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

:So the original change was related to the previous discussion on this talk page about the Ancients not being the same thing as the first Thirteen? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:28, 28 May 2009 (EDT)
::Correct. [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Thirteen_original_Transformers&diff=301252&oldid=301026 MM edit 1 diff], [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Thirteen_original_Transformers&diff=next&oldid=301252 Willis adds a duplicate], [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Thirteen_original_Transformers&diff=next&oldid=301254 MM removes duplicate], [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Thirteen_original_Transformers&diff=next&oldid=301257 Willis reverts previous edit]. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 09:28, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

:::Based on this, I'm going out on a limb here and unbanning the guy. Seems like a pretty draconian punishment over what appears to be mostly a misunderstanding. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 10:58, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

Well, that was fun. Thanks for getting this situation sorted, guys. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 09:31, 29 May 2009 (EDT)

== Nexus Maximus ==

The five silhouettes next to Vector Prime seem to strongly resemble the individual components of Nexus Maximus, and since the five are both Transformers and part of a being considered "one of the thirteen", is it possible that they are numbered members as well? I mean, technically they are five transformers that were created in the first batch, so maybe?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 06:09, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

I would say no. Nexus Maximus is a member of the 13, but his 5 component pieces aren't. [[Special:Contributions/76.240.201.195|76.240.201.195]] 18:39, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

==Defiance==
To be clear - is that image depicting the trans-dimensional whatsits, or the first batch of "Transformers" made to serve them?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 06:09, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
:The first batch of "Transformers." There are actually two more in a different panel but this was the best group shot. [[:Image:Defianceissue4-creation.jpg|This is]] the creation of the trans-dimensional whatsits. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 07:50, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
::Okay, then the text needs to make that clearer, because right now it reads as if it's equating these Seekers/Constructicons with the Fallen and such.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 17:42, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

== Trans-dimensional AllSpark creations ==

Zuh? Why not The Thirteen?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:14, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
:Well, they aren't Transformers for one thing. They are a separate race. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:15, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
::...but we have no reason to believe they're not The Thirteen.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:16, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
:::Oh. Hmmm. The 13 aren't Transformers? That article should be renamed then. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:20, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
::::The article is just... I don't know. I don't think it conveys information. I think if anything it ''obfuscates'' information to obey some sort of semantic point.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:24, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::They do play the same general role. It didn't occur to me that they might be the 13 since they aren't Transformers. The articles would have to be merged carefully. In the live-action continuity there is the Fallen's race ''and'' 13 original Transformers (which would be the first 13 beings of the new Transformer's race). - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:41, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
::::::You invented what amounts to a fan term to explain what you believe to be a contradiction. We are needlessly multiplying entities here.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:31, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::The Fallen: "It gave us workers, but they were ''not like us''. They were special and were to be the first of ''your race''. Creatures born with the ability to change their forms." It seems pretty clear the Fallen's kind aren't Transformers. The Fallen could be distorting the facts, I suppose (he is The Fallen), or has a fuzzy memory. I'm not against merging this with the 13 Transformers, but I would be interested in how it was explained. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:48, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::::I dunno, saying that the Fallen and his brothers "aren't Transformers" seems to me to be a bit like saying we shouldn't have [[Beta]] in the Female Transformers category. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 22:07, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Hell, half the Matrix Guides, including Alpha Trion, shouldn't be considered Transformers! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:09, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::That doesn't seem to be a contradiction at all, Starfield. Even in the original continuity that had the thirteen, wasn't transformation an invention from later on? And Vector Prime still was eventually able to do it, so it's not unreasonable to assume that while the Trans-dimensionals weren't ''born'' with the ability to change their form, they modified themselves to do it. Which is why the Fallen can turn into a space fighter now.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 07:47, 28 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I still propose nuking it, but until we get consensus on that, I'm putting the shenanigans tag on it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:54, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Call me crazy, but I have this feeling there may be an actual name for these dudes soon. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:08, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::And on what are you basing this? I keep asking this, but you keep making up unofficial terms for things.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:15, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::The ROTF adaptation comic. I understand we aren't supposed to use that yet for spoiler reasons. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:22, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Okay, let me spell this out. There is at present no definition of this term you've invented that does not completely overlap with the Thirteen. Every member of the Thirteen is one of these, and every one of these is one of the Thirteen. Even if we accept that this is somehow a meaningful term, there is no way to separate it from the Thirteen. To pretend otherwise is to be painfully obtuse.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:14, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
Nuke it from orbit. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:18, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
:Y'all kinda seem to be jumping down Starfield's throat... IITC the Transdimensional beings page was created as a sorta precautionary things back then Alliance was still coming out when we weren't sure how it'd play out-- or even if the Fallen was a multiversal singularity. (We thought probably yes, but there was room foe debate, and the movie stuff IS '''awfully''' messy.)
:...of course it's just as likely that I'm missing something, in which case, please proceed tearing him a new transdimensional arsehole. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:29, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
::I'd like a transdimensional arsehole. I bet it would mean you wouldn't even have to get up to go to the bathroom. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:30, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
::I'm not taking it personally. It always was kind of a sloppy placeholder. I honestly thought they were going a different direction when I read Defiance 4, but now it looks like it is shaping up pretty good continuity wise. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:41, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
:::That's all well and good, but the article, as well as his defense of the term, continued long after its (however dubious) usefulness expired. So, I've nuked the article and archived the discussion here for posterity.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:36, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Oh, is ''that'' what's going on? ''<tt>slowpoke.jpg</tt>''
::::Well, I've certainly been there myself! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:38, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

== Prima ==

Why is Prima on this list? I would have thought Primon would be the more likely choice m'self. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:01, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:He is confirmed in at least one continuity as the first Cybertronian. Thus, he's the first of the Thirteen. Funny, innit?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:03, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::Which continuity, and sauce? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:45, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Marvel G1. Not explicitly stated, but able to be deduced.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:50, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::::But I don't think Prima should be on there. Primon seem to predate him/her.
::::If a guidebook SAID Prima was one of the 13 or something, that'd be different. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:22, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

Well here's how it goes, we have a Marvel G1 issue and a Marvel G2 issue which depict the first Cybertronian. One of those issues depicts said first Cybertronian as the first Matrix-Bearer. Marvel G1 also has a litany of the Matrix-Bearers which the Creation Matrix itself recites at several times during Matrix Quest, thus establishing this figure, though visually quite different the two times we see him, as Prima. So, insofar as anything can be consistent within Marvel G1 given the vast artistic differences which sprang up, the first Cybertronian and first Matrix-Bearer is Prima.

Pri''mon'' however has a far more fuzzy pedigree, a smaller corpus of source material establishing him, and his membership in the Thirteen is also predicated upon the Liege Maximo being a member, which is ''probable'', but as we've discussed before never really confirmed in official source material.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:29, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

:Your answer is full of fail and conjecture.
:Nevertheless, it got ''me'' to check the source material. The Ultimate Guide explicitly says Prima is one of the 13 on page 15. Further, Prima is their '''leader'''. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:40, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::Were I not at work, I could have done the same. But alas, I am limited until I hop in my car and drive home. I still say my answer is close enough for government work, though.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:43, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
{{quote|In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve.|Tocqueville}} -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:50, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
=="New Divide" video==
Hey, uh, there seems to be a very short clip of what appear to be silhouettes of some of the Thirteen... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:36, 12 June 2009 (EDT)
:Which one. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:51, 12 June 2009 (EDT)
::[[Image:NewDivide-silhouettes.jpg|thumb|300px|I wonder which one Vector Prime is!]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:08, 12 June 2009 (EDT)
:::So can any of our U.K. friends confirm or deny if these are indeed the Thirteen? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:13, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Weeellll... okay, spoilers to be safe... they ARE the Primes, the original Transformers, as it were. But... if I heard the dialogue right, and I'm not SWEARING that I did, but I have seen other people say they heard the same thing... IN the film itself... there are stated to only SEVEN of them. And the events of Defiance are really... at odds with the movie , too. In the gentlest terms. Honestly, I was watching the movie, and every so often something happened to make me go "Aw, fuck, the wiki's going to have its work cut out for it here." - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:28, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Yep, there's a mistake in there. Seven is definitely the number. The Fallen being so named because he chose to eradicate life in his quest for Energon (think Captain Ranson in Star Trek Voyager "Equinox"). Optimus Prime is apparently their last descendant (how they know this is not explained, nor is the concept of Primes, and why only a Prime can defeat the Fallen, when it looks like anybody can do what Prime finally did). Oh, and none of them look like any of our Primes. In fact they all look like the Fallen (customisers should be buying multiple Fallen toys to make them!) [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 20:05, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

:What a pain. Yet I think that will probably make patching things around the 13 easier.... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:11, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
::The only thing that would make this work with past information is if the Thirteen aren't multiversal singularities, and since the Powers That Be reconfirmed that at Botcon, I can only assume (or hope) that they have something planned for the Thirteen that will straighten this out. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:21, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:::You have to remember, there's already the "oddity" that the birth of these guys 13 doesn't really match other depictions-- and the AllSpark being some sort of sun-destroying monstrosity is... not very Primus-y. I think there's definitely wiggle room here. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:25, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Oddly, the adaptations say 13. How do we know what we know about the AllSpark and harvesters and the original Transformers? There is only one of them left. He wouldn't lie for his own purposes would he? They could, if they wanted, make much of the ROTF backstory be a load of bullcrap made up by The Fallen. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:46, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Maybe we can wilfully ignore {{redact|the seven thing as a mistake like Brawl/Devastator? In the Feb 2009 issue of Toyfare, producer [[Lorenzo di Bonaventura]] stated that The Fallen was a member of The Thirteen, and that we should think of the Thirteen as "apostles". So clearly, the movie production did number the Primes as thirteen quite late into post production.}} --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:06, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::"Mistakes" do happen in fiction, and we acknowledge them as such. (The art errors in the marvel comic, for example.)
::::::So even if the {{redact|the ancient Primes being the 13}} is a mistake, that still leaves us with The Fallen being The Fallen.
::::::The real question is how ''subsequent'' fiction addresses this. If it keeps re-iterating {{redact|the ancient Primes are the 13}} then that's a problem we have to deal with.
::::::I'm really beginning to suspect that the end scenario is going to be {{redact|there were some ancient beings, 7 in one story, 13 in another}} and just void any connection to the 13 entirely-- then figure out how to deal with The Fallen being The Fallen separately. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:17, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Also, re:{{redact|Devastator... there was a comment on the Brawl talk page recently claiming that the letters page to Titan #3 said that Devastator and Brawl are separate near-identical Transformers.}} Can McSweeny confirm whether this is true or not? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:26, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

So I'm watching [http://emopanda.com/tmp/eps/Linkin_Park_-_New_Divide.mp4 New Divide] and I'm confused... is the screencap Walky posted above {{redact|from the beginning of the movie, where everyone was working in the valley, or the end, during SAM's NDE}}? Can someone who's seen the movie answer this? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:20, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

:Haha, this is where it gets {{redact|metaphysical. Sam dies, and the Matrix (which at this point in the film has disintegrated into dust and is kept in a rolled up sock) merges with Sam. The next scene then features Sam in Heaven/The Matrix/Nirvana/The Tunnel with the Light at the End where he meets the Seven Prime/Fallen Clones. They tell him that they have been watching him and that the Matrix is not an object but a state of mind/personality quality, and he's got it, so go wake up from this death and kick some ass. He then is resurrected and the Matrix is now completely reformed into its key/boomerang formation, which he then sticks into Prime's chest. But then somebody else steals it again to stick into the Fallen's Galvatron Machine from the UK comics}} [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 08:04, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::Yes I know this. I've read the book. I construe from your response that this screencap is from the latter half of the movie? (It's a yes or no question... god forbid you manage to ''explicitly'' answer it.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:01, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:::That's a yes. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 14:52, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

It actually works out pretty easily. Those seven don't have to be the ''only'' members of the Thirteen, just the ones that gave their lives to seal The Fallen away and secure the Star Harvester.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:17, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

:Except there are multiple versions of "Movie" continuity (IDW and Titan) and the original 13 are singularities... so how do these 7 manged to die '''twice''' and their corpses show up in different universes? {{redact|for that matter, how does The Fallen manage to die in multiple continuities? He has but one life to give for the Multiverse!}} -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:24, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::Transformers: The Movie Universe implies that The Fallen has to work to maintain corporeality in a universe. It is possible that killing the physical form of one of the Thirteen is nowhere near as final as it may sound.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:26, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

:::Would Vector Prime's fate at the end of Cybertron support that? I have only passing knowledge of that show but didn't they show him fighting on in some other dimension after his "Death"? That could work on the same principle.--[[Special:Contributions/71.235.138.121|71.235.138.121]] 07:10, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Vector Prime was shown to be fighting Galvatron in the end-credits montage, so he's clearly not completely dead. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:36, 23 June 2009 (EDT)

== Logos Prime ==

If the Fallen represents Entropy, and Vector Prime represents time... what would Logos Prime represent? His hub-ship-thing seems to be tied to his "area of responsibility" somehow... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:55, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
:Opposition or competition? Some kind of "Balancing forces" deal, probably, judging by the story.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 04:23, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
::So... "Logos" arguably, logic? 10:39, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
:::I don't think their given names actually have anything to do with their charge - Vector isn't in charge of directions, and Nexus is in charge of Energon, not connections. Maybe the name's are personally chosen, or represent their personalities?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 12:27, 23 June 2009 (EDT)

== Twelve Apostles ==

Would it be at all acceptable to mention somewhere on the page the obvious basis of Jesus and the twelve apostles, or even how specific members of the Thirteen seem to be based on specific apostles?

For example:
*Prima is the chosen leader of the thirteen, carries Primus lifeforce in the form of the matrix (and so, is Primus's "child"), and his name even fits the ancient roman naming scheme for your children (well, daughters) - remove "us", fit "a".
*The Fallen is obviously Judas.
*Vector Prime appears to fit the role of Peter - the most loyal, who serves throughout time safeguarding the Transformers. He certainly acts like a space-pope, anyway.

Of course, beyond that, there's unlikely to be any use of the archetype, but would it at least be worth mentioning?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 04:49, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
:We have a good source for that comparison with [[Lorenzo di Bonaventura]]'s interview in ''Toyfare'' (February 2009). [[Special:Contributions/79.67.234.198|79.67.234.198]] 05:16, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
:I say we don't have enought info though. Afterall, we don't know about the Logo Prime or Nexus Maximus people. --[[User:Boba Fett|Boba Fett]] 14:10, 23 June 2009 (EDT)

Thirteen

2009-06-23T17:54:31Z

Boba Fett: /* Multiversal singularities */

[[Image:Original13.jpg|center|500px|thumb|Guess the one on fire!]]
{{quote|We are the 13, the first, the forgotten, each of us serving a function vital to the survival of the universe. Each of us designated a Prime and given a function to serve during the long march of infinity.|Vector Prime|"[[Vector Prime: In the Beginning]]"}}

When [[Primus]] first created [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], he created a crew of '''thirteen living robotic beings''' to man him. These beings, in imitation of [[Unicron]]'s transformation abilities, were able to change their forms into the likeness of vehicles, weapons, and machinery. They were the first Transformers and all "[[Prime (rank)|Primes]]". Many of the thirteen died in a cataclysmic first battle with Unicron, where he was sucked down into a black hole and trapped along with his acolyte known as [[The Fallen]], one of the thirteen who had turned against his brothers and joined Unicron. Of those that survived, many abandoned their original functions and were lost to time. Only [[Vector Prime]] was known to still be following the path he was set upon by Primus.

==The thirteen==
[[Image:Vectorprimeut.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Vector Prime steps forward from the First Thirteen Tabernacle Choir with a heartfelt solo.]]
The identities of most of the thirteen remain shrouded in mystery.

'''Confirmed members are:'''
*[[Prima]], the first [[Matrix|Matrix-bearer]] and first Transformer born from Cybertron, leader of the 13.<ref><tt>Sentinel Prime was one of a dynasty of Primes, stretching back to the original '''13 Transformers''' and their leader, Prima.</tt> — ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' (2005) 1st ed p15, "Sentinel Prime"</ref>
*"[[The Fallen]]" (original name unknown), the guardian of entropy.
*[[Vector Prime]], the guardian of space and time.
*Logos Prime, also known as [[Soundblaster (Cybertron)|Soundblaster]]. The ''Beast Wars Reborn'' text story establishes Soundblaster as an "[[Ancients|Ancient]]", equal with Vector Prime. There is also a silhouette resembling him in the image from the ''[[World of Transformers]]'' web site, found at the top of this article.
*[[Nexus Maximus]], the guardian of the multiverse's [[Rarified Energon]], capable of splitting into 5 smaller robots:
**[[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]]
**[[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]]
**[[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]]
**[[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]]
**[[Heatwave]]

'''Possible members are:'''
*The Liege Maximo; he was confirmed in [[Simon Furman]]'s "[[Alignment]]" story as one of the first thirteen, but that story was "unofficial" and of debatable canonicity.
*[[Maccadam]]; rumor on Cybertron says that he is one of the thirteen and that his bar exists outside regular space-time, linking all realities, though sometimes this rumor is chalked up to the imaginations of the bar's drunken patrons. The story "[[Prime Spark]]" from the ''[[Transformers Legends]]'' anthology confirms half of this rumor, portraying the bar as a multiversal nexus of sorts, though not making any specific revelations about Maccadam himself. The anthology labels all its stories as not being part of mainstream continuity, so its revelations [[author intent|could be viewed]] as irrelevant.
*The [[Last Autobot]]; according to the words he spoke "Since Cybertron's Creation, I have slumbered within the planet, awaiting a time long foreseen by your creator, Primus", it can be inferred that he might be one of the thirteen.

Numerous other very ancient Transformers exist—[[Boltax]], steward of the [[Underbase]], and the [[Keeper (Transformer)|Keeper]], protector of the slumbering Primus—but none have been included in the ranks of the thirteen.

==Functions==
Aside from their base functions as "crew" for Primus's planet form and their duty to battle Unicron, the quote above hints that each was given another charge. Three of the four known members of the thirteen were also charged with protecting specific aspects of the multiverse. It is possible, but unconfirmed, that each of the other ten might also have originally had an assigned role as guardian to some aspect of reality.

Vector Prime was tasked with overseeing the space and time continuum. The Prime who would eventually become the Fallen was tasked with overseeing the process of entropy. Nexus Maximus was tasked with overseeing the [[multiverse]]'s Rarified Energon.

==Multiversal singularities==
The original thirteen are [[Multiversal singularity|multiversal singularities]] like Primus and Unicron, with each character spanning the whole multiverse. For example, though The Fallen originated from the Dreamwave Generation 1 continuity, there is one of him in whatever universe Vector Prime, a [[Unicron Trilogy]] character, originated. Vector Prime's stewardship of Primus's children throughout multiple timelines and universes certainly lends credence to it as well.

==Live-action movie franchise==
===IDW ''Transformers'' movie comics===
{{note|This origin information was given by the Fallen and clashes with the above multiversal-true-to-all-continuities origin.}}
[[Image:Defianceissue4-creation.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The Thirteen being created.]]
A race of beings that included the Fallen were the first creations of the [[All Spark]]. They were extremely powerful and able to travel across dimensions. The Allspark then created the [[Transformer]]s to seek out stars that could replenish itself. The Fallen decided he wanted the Allspark's power for himself, and so slew the rest of his brothers...but they trapped him within a sarcophagus in the process. A long time passed, and he was eventually dug up. From his prison, he then pushed [[Megatron (Movie)|High Protector Megatron]] into forming the Decepticons. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}

===DK Transformers: The Movie Universe book===
{{note|This origin information was given by Simon Furman and '''also''' clashes with the above multiversal-true-to-all-continuities origin.}}

The All Spark created "the Primes". One of their number, however, fought the other twelve as he prepared to harvest the power of [[Earth]]'s sun. In the end, he slaughtered all of his brethren, but they were still able to imprison this Fallen being in a pocket dimension and save the Earth. {{storylink|The Movie Universe}}

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==Trivia==
*IDW comics talked repeatedly about a planned/potential miniseries telling the story of the Thirteen. What similarity this new telling would have to the previous original thirteen stories is unknown. Hasbro became quite involved, and Simon Furman stated that it "seems pretty likely that Vector Prime will be amongst the 13, the Liege Maximo too, and possibly Alpha Trion. But nothing’s set in stone here yet." [http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=5032] No release date for this series was ever set. As of Botcon 09, IDW says this series is off their publishing schedule, presumably till further notice.

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Nexus Prime

2009-06-20T17:10:57Z

Boba Fett: /* Notes */ it's not a joke

[[Image:Clubcombinercarving.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Say, haven't I seen you somewhere before?]]

One of the [[thirteen original Transformers]], '''Nexus Maximus''' was created by [[Primus]] shortly after he assumed his planet form for the first time to guard [[Rarified Energon]]. At an unknown point in time, this Transformer was broken into five other robots: [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]], [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]], [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]], [[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]], and [[Heatwave]].

==Fiction==
===''Classics''===
The [[Caretaker]] told its components that Nexus Maximus was "designated a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]", like the other original thirteen, {{storylink|Crossing Over: Part 6}} but apparently Nexus Maximus isn't so needy as to actually put "Prime" in his name.
{{-}}
==Toys==
===Cybertron, Classics, and Timelines===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-NexusMaximus.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Remember to use the instructions! You don't want to put something in the wrong hole.]]
*'''Nexus Maximus''' (2009)
:Nexus Maximus is composed of his five team members, with Heatwave forming his central body component. His limbs' [[energon weapon]]s form his hands and feet. Similarly to [[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]]'s "[[Scramble City]]" combiner teams, Nexus Maximus (as well as [[Superion Maximus]], [[Bruticus Maximus (Energon)|Bruticus Maximus]] and [[Constructicon Maximus]]) features universal connection points for the limbs, allowing many different combinations and even swapping of limbs from different teams. His combined form's head was [[retool]]ed to give him a unique one, which is an amalgamation of visual elements of its components' own heads: Skyfall's eyes, Landquake's chin, Breakaway's forehead, Topspin's "hair", and Heatwave's "ears".

:Nexus Maximus is the combined form of the first five [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] freebie toys: Skyfall, Landquake, Breakaway, Topspin, and Heatwave.

==Notes==
*Fun Publication originally submitted the possible names "Prime Nexus" and "Maximus Prime" to Hasbro for the character (reflecting the fact that the character is a Prime in-fiction), Hasbro rejected these, apparently because they are feeling protective towards the use of the name Prime (despite previously having approved the fiction that already named him a Prime, written by their own [[Forest Lee]]). Hasbro suggested merging the non-Prime segments of the two names instead... ooops.
*Apparently neither [[Hasbro]] nor [[Fun Publications]] did their research when naming Nexus Maximus, because there is another product which shares that name and is, as of [[May 24]], [[2009]], the top Google result. While it is definitely a "toy", it is most assuredly not intended for ages 5 and up. It's also probably not safe for work, so [http://www.vixencreations.com/store/maximus.html click here] at your own risk. According to the Fun Publications Club panel at [[BotCon 2009]], Hasbro did a search for the name with "safe search" on, causing them to not see... well, ''that''.
*The debate is still on whether Nexus Maximus constitutes a choking hazard.
*It's hard to say what toyline Nexus Maximus is from, as his components are from multiple franchises. How often does that happen?

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Thirteen

2009-06-19T19:17:21Z

Boba Fett: if it didn't say their mission...

[[Image:Original13.jpg|center|500px|thumb|Guess the one on fire!]]
{{quote|We are the 13, the first, the forgotten, each of us serving a function vital to the survival of the universe. Each of us designated a Prime and given a function to serve during the long march of infinity.|Vector Prime|"[[Vector Prime: In the Beginning]]"}}

When [[Primus]] first created [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], he created a crew of '''thirteen living robotic beings''' to man him. These beings, in imitation of [[Unicron]]'s transformation abilities, were able to change their forms into the likeness of vehicles, weapons, and machinery. They were the first Transformers and all "[[Prime (rank)|Primes]]". Many of the thirteen died in a cataclysmic first battle with Unicron, where he was sucked down into a black hole and trapped along with his acolyte known as [[The Fallen]], one of the thirteen who had turned against his brothers and joined Unicron. Of those that survived, many abandoned their original functions and were lost to time. Only [[Vector Prime]] was known to still be following the path he was set upon by Primus.

==The thirteen==
[[Image:Vectorprimeut.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Vector Prime steps forward from the First Thirteen Tabernacle Choir with a heartfelt solo.]]
The identities of most of the thirteen remain shrouded in mystery.

'''Confirmed members are:'''
*[[Prima]], the first [[Matrix|Matrix-bearer]] and first Transformer born from Cybertron, leader of the 13.<ref><tt>Sentinel Prime was one of a dynasty of Primes, stretching back to the original '''13 Transformers''' and their leader, Prima.</tt> — ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' (2005) 1st ed p15, "Sentinel Prime"</ref>
*"[[The Fallen]]" (original name unknown), the guardian of entropy.
*[[Vector Prime]], the guardian of space and time.
*Logos Prime, also known as [[Soundblaster (Cybertron)|Soundblaster]]. The ''Beast Wars Reborn'' text story establishes Soundblaster as an "[[Ancients|Ancient]]", equal with Vector Prime. There is also a silhouette resembling him in the image from the ''[[World of Transformers]]'' web site, found at the top of this article.
*[[Nexus Maximus]], the guardian of the multiverse's [[Rarified Energon]], capable of splitting into 5 smaller robots:
**[[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]]
**[[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]]
**[[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]]
**[[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]]
**[[Heatwave]]

'''Possible members are:'''
*The Liege Maximo; he was confirmed in [[Simon Furman]]'s "[[Alignment]]" story as one of the first thirteen, but that story was "unofficial" and of debatable canonicity.
*[[Maccadam]]; rumor on Cybertron says that he is one of the thirteen and that his bar exists outside regular space-time, linking all realities, though sometimes this rumor is chalked up to the imaginations of the bar's drunken patrons. The story "[[Prime Spark]]" from the ''[[Transformers Legends]]'' anthology confirms half of this rumor, portraying the bar as a multiversal nexus of sorts, though not making any specific revelations about Maccadam himself. The anthology labels all its stories as not being part of mainstream continuity, so its revelations [[author intent|could be viewed]] as irrelevant.
*The [[Last Autobot]]; according to the words he spoke "Since Cybertron's Creation, I have slumbered within the planet, awaiting a time long foreseen by your creator, Primus", it can be inferred that he might be one of the thirteen.

Numerous other very ancient Transformers exist—[[Boltax]], steward of the [[Underbase]], and the [[Keeper (Transformer)|Keeper]], protector of the slumbering Primus—but none have been included in the ranks of the thirteen.

==Functions==
Aside from their base functions as "crew" for Primus's planet form and their duty to battle Unicron, the quote above hints that each was given another charge. Three of the four known members of the thirteen were also charged with protecting specific aspects of the multiverse. It is possible, but unconfirmed, that each of the other ten might also have originally had an assigned role as guardian to some aspect of reality.

Vector Prime was tasked with overseeing the space and time continuum. The Prime who would eventually become the Fallen was tasked with overseeing the process of entropy. Nexus Maximus was tasked with overseeing the [[multiverse]]'s Rarified Energon.

==Multiversal singularities==
The original thirteen are [[Multiversal singularity|multiversal singularities]] like Primus and Unicron, with each character spanning the whole multiverse. For example, though The Fallen originated from the Dreamwave Generation 1 continuity, there also seems to be one of him in whatever universe Vector Prime, a [[Unicron Trilogy]] character, originated. Vector Prime's stewardship of Primus's children throughout multiple timelines and universes certainly lends credence to it as well.

==Live-action movie franchise==
===IDW ''Transformers'' movie comics===
{{note|This origin information was given by the Fallen and clashes with the above multiversal-true-to-all-continuities origin.}}
[[Image:Defianceissue4-creation.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The Thirteen being created.]]
A race of beings that included the Fallen were the first creations of the [[All Spark]]. They were extremely powerful and able to travel across dimensions. The Allspark then created the [[Transformer]]s to seek out stars that could replenish itself. The Fallen decided he wanted the Allspark's power for himself, and so slew the rest of his brothers...but they trapped him within a sarcophagus in the process. A long time passed, and he was eventually dug up. From his prison, he then pushed [[Megatron (Movie)|High Protector Megatron]] into forming the Decepticons. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}

===DK Transformers: The Movie Universe book===
{{note|This origin information was given by Simon Furman and '''also''' clashes with the above multiversal-true-to-all-continuities origin.}}

The All Spark created "the Primes". One of their number, however, fought the other twelve as he prepared to harvest the power of [[Earth]]'s sun. In the end, he slaughtered all of his brethren, but they were still able to imprison this Fallen being in a pocket dimension and save the Earth. {{storylink|The Movie Universe}}

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==Trivia==
*IDW comics talked repeatedly about a planned/potential miniseries telling the story of the Thirteen. What similarity this new telling would have to the previous original thirteen stories is unknown. Hasbro became quite involved, and Simon Furman stated that it "seems pretty likely that Vector Prime will be amongst the 13, the Liege Maximo too, and possibly Alpha Trion. But nothing’s set in stone here yet." [http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=5032] No release date for this series was ever set. As of Botcon 09, IDW says this series is off their publishing schedule, presumably till further notice.

==References==
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The Fallen

2009-06-19T19:16:21Z

Boba Fett: /* DK Transformers: The Movie Universe book */

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[[Image:TheFallen_ROTF-AdaptationComic.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Not even the comic panel can contain him!]]

The true name of '''The Fallen''' is lost to the mists of time. He was one of the [[Thirteen original Transformers|original Cybertronians]], a brotherhood of vastly powerful beings dedicated to the well-being of [[Cybertron (planet)|their world]]. But The Fallen would gain his moniker by turning against his brothers and his purpose to pursue his own ends. This avarice gained him only imprisonment in another dimension, where he waits with eternal patience for the chance to unleash his dark powers once again. In the meantime, he has been able to make contact with willing servants among the [[Transformer]]s and issue orders to hasten his return.

Like his brothers, The Fallen is a [[multiversal singularity]], meaning that in all of the vast [[Continuity|multiverse]], there is only one incarnation of him. But he has appeared in different universes, and in each one, his goal and history are described with a unique flavor.

Did we mention that he is also on fire?

==Origins==
As explained in more detail below, The Fallen has been given different origin stories that may be at odds with each other. His ''[[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]]'' portrayal, wrapped in the [[Primus]]/[[Unicron]] mythology, presents him as having been created by Primus to oversee the orderly process of entropy throughout the universe. Fascinated by the idea of cosmic destruction, The Fallen fell under the sway of the ultimate destroyer, Unicron, and he tried to help his new master by sabotaging Primus's bodily form, Cybertron. This failed, and when Unicron lost the battle against Primus, both he and The Fallen were banished to another dimension. From then on, The Fallen craved only the release of his master and the ultimate death of the universe.

This cosmology is reinforced by The Fallen's brief [[Unicron Trilogy]] appearance, where he is seen among the other 13 original Transformers, some of whom are known to have also survived to the present day.

However, his ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' portrayal lacks the Primus/Unicron element; the only creative power is the [[All Spark]], a far more impersonal entity. The Fallen and his fellow "Primes," who were not actually "Transformers" per se, had one mission: to recharge the All Spark by siphoning solar energy. The Fallen's crimes were that he wanted all of that energy for himself, and he was willing to sacrifice an inhabited world (Earth) to do it. His brother Primes did stop him, but at the cost of their own lives. Despite (or perhaps because of) their deaths, they were able to imprison The Fallen in another dimension, from whence he plots and schemes his escape.

So, while similar in form, The Fallen's stories disagree in many details. The ''Revenge of the Fallen'' universe is still being fleshed out, so perhaps future information will clarify the questionable areas.

==Fiction==
===''Generation 1''===
====Dreamwave comics continuity====

[[Image:Thefallenseeksfour.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Hey, The Fallen, ever heard of Tums?]]
When Primus and Unicron first battled as planets, Primus created the first 13 Transformers to assist him in planet mode. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}} The Fallen's original purpose as one of the 13 was to oversee entropy, the orderly dissolution of all things in preparation for the next creation. But the concept of destruction fascinated him too much, and he lost sight of the goal of rebirth and the necessity of restraint. His investigations into the dark sciences led him to Unicron, to whom he gave himself. <ref>[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/toys/titanium/the-fallen/1126/2/9/ Fallen's ''Titanium Series'' on-package bio]</ref> Corrupted by Unicron, the Fallen then tried to sabotage his creator's body. This attempt ended in failure, and "The Fallen" fled to his master, but there was little refuge to be found: They were both sucked into a [[black hole]]. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}}

Approximately 7 million years before the 21st century, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] were lost in a [[space bridge]] accident. This accident weakened the barrier between reality and the dimension in which The Fallen was trapped, allowing The Fallen to eventually break free and return to Cybertron.

[[Image:Thefallen.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Ah, you know it's funny, these people, they go to sleep, they think everything's fine, everything's good... They wake up the next day and they're on fire.]]

The Fallen immediately set about initiating the "[[Unbinding]]", an event which required four particular Transformers, who would function as "angles in the geometry of dissolution". To help him round up the required Transformers, the Fallen recruited a [[Chaos Trinity|trio of Decepticon outcasts]], [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], [[Mindwipe]], and [[Bugly]], who hungered for a command of the occult. The Fallen promised them all manner of dark powers in exchange for serving him. Leading his three followers to a hidden room within Cybertron, he named [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] as the first of the angles to be gathered. {{storylink|Fragmentation}}

The Fallen and company proceeded to construct a strange machine within the [[Well of All Sparks]] in preparation for the Unbinding. Unfortunately, Bludgeon and friends got impatient for more than The Fallen's praise and demanded a more tangible reward: the arcane power he had promised them. The Fallen responded by grabbing Bludgeon’s head and giving him a mere glimpse of what he sought: images of a fiery vortex, demonic faces, stabbing swords and a human skull engulfed Bludgeon. The Fallen stated that this was but a peek inside a dark door he would fully open if they served him well. This left Bludgeon suitably inspired to begin hunting down their targets.

[[Image:Thefallengrimlock.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Someone should tell Grimlock this more often.]]

Bugly and Mindwipe leaked information to draw the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] out into combat with [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], while Bludgeon hatched a plot to snare both Grimlock and[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]. {{storylink|Escalation (IDW)|Escalation}} Bludgeon, Bugly, and Mindwipe ambushed Jetfire as he attempted a cross-faction meeting with [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. When Grimlock crashed the party earlier than they expected, however, The Fallen himself had to intervene and caught Grimlock’s blazing energo-sword in his bare hand. {{storylink|Revelation (The Dark Ages)|Revelation}}

Grimlock took one punch from The Fallen yet still got back up, so The Fallen grabbed him by the shoulders and unleashed a huge blast of energy that put the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] leader out cold. He dragged Grimlock and Jetfire away and commanded his followers to gather the third angle while he handled the fourth. The Fallen singlehandedly abducted [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] from his well-guarded holding cell in Autobot headquarters, shrugging off attacks by some of the Autobots' best warriors and causing their weapons to corrode away into uselessness with a mere gesture. Bludgeon's team, meanwhile, succeeded in acquiring [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]] from the Protectobots.

[[Image:Fallenmoreonfire.jpg|right|thumb|250px|The Fallen somehow sets himself ''more on fire''.]]

All four angles were strapped to the device in the Well of All Sparks. Launching into full B-movie villain mode, The Fallen theatrically monologued to the awakening Jetfire that they were casualties in the war of the Gods, and would be used to break the Seal of Primus, after which "all chaos will follow". {{storylink|Confrontation (issue)|Confrontation}}

The Fallen continued his villainous monologue, apparently directing it not at Jetfire but at Primus himself, as the four Transformers' unique sparks were drained to unlock the Seal of Primus. A combined army of forces from several factions defeated the Chaos Trinity and penetrated The Fallen's operation, while Jetfire arranged a force-field to contain the energy of Primus. The God of Light himself was subsequently roused from his slumber; with a gesture of his radiant hand, he engulfed his wayward creation in a torrent of searing energy that was then sucked back into the Seal of Primus. {{storylink|Conflagration}}
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===Unicron Trilogy===
====''Cybertron'' comic====
[[Image:Vectorprimeut.jpg|thumb|140px|Back, and to the left.]]
[[Vector Prime]]'s reminiscences of his mission and history included standing with his fellow 13 original Transformers, The Fallen's silhouette visible in their ranks. {{storylink|Vector Prime: In the Beginning}}

{{note|This story and comments by [[Hasbro]] copy-writer [[Forest Lee]] are the basis of the notion that The Fallen, Vector Prime, and the other original 13 are singular entities with no duplicates throughout the multiverse. This was reiterated at [[BotCon 2009]], even in the face of the upcoming ''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie. Brave men these Hasbro writers be!}}
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===Live-action film series===
====IDW ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics====
[[Image:Defianceissue4-creation.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Look [[Prima|familiar]]?]]

According to what The Fallen told [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] as part of the latter's recruitment, The Fallen and his brothers were the first creations of the [[All Spark]]. The planet that would become [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] was mostly barren, but as the All Spark gradually shaped Cybertron around them and gave The Fallen and his brothers power beyond measure, the All Spark became depleted. They learned that the its power could be replenished by harvesting the energy of stars, but they were unable to locate new stars to suit their purposes, despite their amazing ability to travel between dimensions using triangular "sarcophagi."

A breakthrough came when the All Spark created for them [[Transformer|workers]] that had a power of their own: They could change their forms! Some, called "[[seeker (G1)|seeker]]s," could even change into interstellar crafts that could locate suns for them. But as the workers built a [[harvester]] on [[Earth]] to gather this solar energy, The Fallen wondered evil thoughts. What if only one harvested the energy? What if the power was his alone?

The Fallen betrayed his brothers. To erase their existence, he destroyed their sarcophagi, in which their life forces were stored. But this drained him of almost all his energy, and while he was weak, the brothers he thought he had killed... acted. They sacrificed themselves to trap him in a fiery dimension within his own sarcophagus, while the harvester on Earth was covered by the [[Human|natives]] with a pyramid. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}

[[Image:Defiance4_Megatron_TheFallen.jpg|thumb|300px|All right, who changed the thermostat!?]]

Knowledge of this was lost through the ages, and eons later, a mysterious pylon was found buried on Cybertron by modern-day Transformers and delivered to Megatron's private quarters. Unbeknownst to them all, this was the sarcophagus of The Fallen, and upon activation, it healed the grievously-wounded Cybertronian military leader and established contact between him and its prisoner. Filled with a new resolve to destroy those who sought out the All Spark, Megatron's optics were tinted red by the encounter. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 2}} In the aftermath of Megatron's ruthless battle against a band of aliens seeking the All Spark, The Fallen further counseled him to seize control of Cybertron to make way for The Fallen's return. He also told him that [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] sought the All Spark for himself, and Megatron immediately decided that Optimus and his followers deserved to be killed for this transgression. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 3}}

But simply taking the planet would not be enough. The Fallen also ordered Megatron to build a [[Nemesis (Movie)|space cruiser]] to seek out the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]], which he said was a prerequisite to his return. As the ship's construction came to an end, The Fallen told Megatron the story of his origin (recounted above) and his plans regarding the harvester on Earth. The Fallen ordered Megatron to put his sarcophagus on the ship and then stay behind to fight Optimus's forces and safeguard the All Spark. [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] and a majority of the Decepticon soldiers crewed the ship, which ended up crashing on some barren world under unknown circumstances.

Meanwhile on Cybertron, civil war raged between Optimus's Autobots and Megatron's Decepticons, a war which eventually led to the All Spark being launched into space. As Megatron alone pursued the hurtling cube, he picked up a distress signal from the ''Nemesis.'' He found the crashed ship and within it the still-intact sarcophagus. He once again spoke with The Fallen, who was furious that Megatron had taken this detour from his pursuit of the All Spark. He ordered him to resume the chase immediately, confident that it would guide itself to the harvester. Megatron obeyed, leaving the sarcophagus in the barren wreckage. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}
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====DK ''Transformers: The Movie Universe'' book====
The original Transformers, all of them Primes, were united by a directive that safeguarded all life, and as such they refused to utilize the harvester on the inhabited Earth. One of their number, however, decided "I want Energon!" and slaughtered his brothers so he could harvest the Sun. He threw away his original name became the Fallen. In the end, he slaughtered all of his brethren, but they were still able to imprison him in a pocket dimension and save the Earth. In the process, his appearance had changed to a terrifying, cage-like exostructure burning with chaotic energies from the universe's creation, forces that had purged him of all morality. Since his body was never meant to contain the unholy power flowing through it, he had to steadily vent that energy to ensure his own continued existence. This created the visual effect of a constant fiery nimbus.

While effectively harmless to the universe outside his prison, his powers remained vast: He could generate space bridges spontaneously, as well as focus his energies into discrete blasts that could unmake creation itself. Were he ever able to escape, he would be a supremely powerful danger. {{storylink|The Movie Universe}}

====Titan Magazines ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics====

[[Image:Titan1_FallenStarscream.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Behold my <strike>resting</strike> mighty hand!]]

The sinister figure of the Fallen made contact with [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] soon after Megatron's death, using him to organise the Decepticon army and lay the groundwork for his return, his... revenge! He ordered Starscream and his forces to go to Cybertron and await further instruction, and promised that once the Matrix was found, [[Earth]] would ''burn''! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.1|Training Day}}

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====''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Tony Todd]]
[[Image:ROTFteaser2_firerobot.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Touch-DOWN!!!]]

Some time later, he presumably gets out of that sarcophagus and makes it to Earth. He is ''so'' going to get revenge, you betcha. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

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==Games==
===''Revenge of the Fallen: The Game''===
:''Voice actor:'' [[James Arnold Taylor]]

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==Toys==
===Titanium Series===
[[Image:Thefallentitanium.JPG|right|thumb|300px|Hey, Stegmutt! Mister The Fallen is ON FIRE!]]
*'''Fallen''' (6-inch Cybertron Heroes, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Display stand
: Instead of being based on his comic appearance, the Fallen toy is loosely based on [[Don Figueroa]]'s design for pre-[[Earth]] [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] as seen in ''[[Infiltration]]'' and ''[[Stormbringer (comics)|Stormbringer]]'', though obviously with The Fallen's head and deco. He transforms into a Cybertronic tank. Sadly his tank form doesn't hold together well, nor does he have actual hands, just blocks with holes in them. His side-mounted cannons can peg into his forearms in robot mode, or be held in his fists. He wears a faction symbol of his own effigy. So far, The Fallen is, by a fraction of an inch, the tallest (and the bulkiest) of the 6" Titanium Series figures.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Unicron/TheFallen/thefallen.htm More information on The Fallen at TFU.info]''

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===Revenge of the Fallen===
====Legends Class====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenLegends.jpg|right|thumb|300px|''*high-pitched helium voice*'' "I am the Faaallllleeeen!"]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Legends class, 2009)
:Part of wave 3 of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends Class toys, The Fallen transforms from robot mode to a Cybertronian Destroyer.

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[[Image:ROTF_Legends_TheFallen_Lawson.jpg|thumb|300px|What, how dare they make me so small?! I was worshipped as a ''GOD!'']]
*'''Soundwave / EZ Collection The Fallen''' (2009)
:Available exclusively at the Lawson's convenience store in Japan (and the only way to obtain this figure in via TakaraTomy), this version of Legends class The Fallen has more paint applications than the Hasbro release. The Deluxe-class Preview Soundwave it comes with is unchanged from the regular release. Preorders opened on May 1st and close on June 30th, and the figure itself ships on October 16th.

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====Voyager Class====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenVoyager.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Smokin'!]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Voyager class, 2009)

:Part of wave two of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Voyager Class figures, The Fallen transforms from a robot into a "Cybertronian Destroyer" mode. The robot mode features several "slide-out energy absorption panels" on his head and arms which can either be deployed or hidden. In addition to that [[Mech Alive]] feature, his feet are spring-actioned so that when the toy is not standing on a surface (in other words, in jet mode), the toes ball up together. Setting the robot back down on a flat surface will splay the toes open again.

:There are rubbery connectors that attach his arms to his torso that increase accuracy to his visual portrayal in the live-action film, but this restricts his arm movement severely.

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[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenVoyagerorange.jpg|right|thumb|250px|CAUTION: HOT]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Voyager class, 2009)

:A Target-[[exclusive]] redeco of The Fallen in a black and translucent orange colour scheme, both to homage the Fallen's original appearance in the Generation 1 continuity and presumably to show him being "on fire".
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*'''Gathering at Nemesis''' (Toys "R" Us-exclusive box set, 2009)
: This version of The Fallen comes with a silver Voyager Class Megatron from the first movie toyline and a ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Soundwave [[redeco]]ed in predominantly blue as an homage to the original Soundwave. It is unknown at this time if this The Fallen will have color differences.
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====Robot Replicas====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenRobotReplica.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Yes! We come from France!]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Robot Replica, 2009)
:This nonconvertible figurine of The Fallen boasts several points of articulation, a faithful replication of the robot mode, and little else.
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==Merchandise==
===7-11 Slurpee tie-in merchandise===
[[Image:ROTFmerchandise-TheFallenstraw.jpg|right|thumb|150px|''Great'' Transformers tie-in merchandise or the ''greatest'' Transformers tie-in merchandise?]]
*'''The Fallen'''
: The Fallen will help you uncreate your Slurpee with this Slurpee straw topper figurine! Comes attached to a straw in a baggie and is available at your local 7-11 while supplies last!
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===Robot Heroes===
*'''Battle for the Fallen''' (box set, 2009)
:This ''[[Robot Heroes]]'' box set of figures comes with The Fallen, Megatron (tank mode), Optimus Prime and [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] combined, and [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] (truck mode).

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==Notes==
[[Image:Fallenpatlee.jpg|right|thumb|150px|I'm The Fallen, and I can't get up!]]

* The Fallen design was created by [[Pat Lee]], his first (and only) original Transformers character. ([[Simon Furman]] created the concept, see next item.) The early design concept not only lacked The Fallen's characteristic mouthplate, but differed incredibly from the final product. Envisioned as a medieval, ancient-looking Transformer, he glowed like a furnace, though he was not depicted as being perpetually on fire until [[Andrew Wildman]] penciled his appearances in ''[[The Dark Ages]]'' and the colorists caught on.

* The Fallen was also used to recycle some of Simon Furman's unused [[Last Autobot]] plans.[http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~sstoneb/tf/tidbits/otfcc2004.txt]

*When questioned about him constantly being aflame, ''War Within'' writer Simon Furman stated that The Fallen is always on fire "because it looks cool".

[[Image:Thefallentank.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The Judasmobile.]]
*The Fallen's Dreamwave comics [[altmode]], a tank, though designed, was never used in-fiction.

*Very little of The Fallen's backstory was given in his first fictional appearances, leaving much of ''The Dark Ages'' somewhat confusing on its own. Helpful inserts from the ''More Than Meets the Eye'' profile books and DK's ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'', published around the same time, spelled out more. Eventually, the packaging profile printed on his Titanium figure gave the rest. Oh, and then years later, he was the titular villain of a summer blockbuster film.

* The proper treatment of his name, with its capital-T "The", is established both in the comics and the ''Ultimate Guide''. The one dissenting source is his on-package [[bio]], which simply calls him "'''Fallen'''" (as in, "'''Fallen''' forgot his real name long ago"). The reason for this awkward treatment is unknown, though the usual culprits behind toy-name oddities are [[trademark]] issues.

* The Fallen can speak Spanish. ''"Estoy en fuego!"''<ref>Fanclub-exclusive Mini Mayhem strip, March 19, 2007</ref>

* During San Diego Comic-Con 2008, in an interview on July 25th, [[Simon Furman]] claimed that ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]'' would feature a character called the Fallen, which was a character they created for Dreamwave's ''The War Within: The Dark Ages''.<ref>[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17412 Simon Furman confirms The Fallen is a character in an interview with Comic Book Resources (Fallen details removed)]</ref> Three days later, [[IDW Publishing]] writer [[Chris Mowry]] corroborated the claim in an interview with MTV Splash Page, calling "The Fallen" the main villain of the film.<ref>[http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/07/28/exclusive-transformers-2-prequel-comic-gives-inside-scoop-on-2009-movie/ MTV Splash Page interviews Chris Mowry (Fallen details removed)]</ref> Less than a week after this, however, [[Michael Bay]] reiterated that everything leaked thus far is part of their misinformation campaign and that only a handful of people involved with the production of ''Revenge'' have seen the script, contradicting IDW's interviews where their representatives confirm that they have the script.<ref>[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44729&postcount=2 A post made by Michael Bay on his forum]</ref> Curiously, on August 5th 2008, after a fan posted on Michael Bay's forum pointing out the contradiction, all references to The Fallen were removed from the aforementioned interviews, as well as any references to IDW Publishing having the script.

* In Titan ''Transformers Comic'' [[Aftermath Part 2]], the newly-ascendant [[President of the United States]] is named [[Theodore Allen|'''The'''odore '''F. Allen''']]. It remains to be seen if the wordplay has any significance beyond the fact that he is under Decepticon [[Cerebro-strip|mind-control]].

* The Fallen's head and face in ''Revenge of The Fallen'' appears to be some sort of blend of the [[Decepticon]] [[insignia]], [[Egypt|Pharaoh]], and the [[Wikipedia:Alien (film)|Alien]].

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User:Boba Fett

2009-06-13T18:38:37Z

Boba Fett: /* People I'd like in transformers 3 */

Hey, I'm the user called Boba Fett. I'm still something of a newb when it comes to Transformers stuff, so I'm sorry if I mess some story content up. I don't really know much beyond the the two live-action movies. My favorite pages are the Fallen and the Optimus movie page.

==Personal canon==
*Nexus Maximus is/was "[[Anonymous Maximus]]".
*Primus used the Allspark to make the transformers in the movieverse.

==People I'd like in transformers 3==
*Ultra Magnus
*Hod Rod
*Shockwave
*The Dinobots
*Omega Supreme

==Favorite Pictures==
[[Image:Timelinestoy-NexusMaximus.jpg|thumb|200px]]
[[Image:UnicronDeathstarII.jpg|thumb|left|200px]]
[[Image:Unicronsingularity.jpg|left|thumb|200px|The cause of - and solution to - all the continuity problems.]]
[[Image:WarWithinPrimus.jpg|200px]]
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User:Boba Fett

2009-06-13T16:24:24Z

Boba Fett: /* favorite Pictures */

Hey, I'm the user called Boba Fett. I'm still something of a newb when it comes to Transformers stuff, so I'm sorry if I mess some story content up. I don't really know much beyond the the two live-action movies. My favorite pages are the Fallen and the Optimus movie page.

==Personal canon==
*Nexus Maximus is/was "[[Anonymous Maximus]]".
*Primus used the Allspark to make the transformers in the movieverse.

==People I'd like in transformers 3==
*Ultra Magnus
*Hod Rod
*Shockwave
*The Dinobots

==Favorite Pictures==
[[Image:Timelinestoy-NexusMaximus.jpg|thumb|200px]]
[[Image:UnicronDeathstarII.jpg|thumb|left|200px]]
[[Image:Unicronsingularity.jpg|left|thumb|200px|The cause of - and solution to - all the continuity problems.]]
[[Image:WarWithinPrimus.jpg|200px]]
[[Image:NewDivide-silhouettes.jpg|thumb]]

User:Boba Fett

2009-06-13T15:48:21Z

Boba Fett: /* favorite Pictures */ cool new picture. whicj one is NM?

Nexus Prime

2009-06-12T15:52:32Z

Boba Fett: what?

[[Image:Clubcombinercarving.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Say, haven't I seen you somewhere before?]]

One of the [[thirteen original Transformers]], '''Nexus Maximus''' was created by [[Primus]] shortly after he assumed his planet form for the first time to guard [[Rarified Energon]]. At an unknown point in time, this Transformer was broken into five other robots: [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]], [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]], [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]], [[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]], and [[Heatwave]].

==Fiction==
===''Classics''===
The [[Caretaker]] told its components that Nexus Maximus was "designated a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]", like the other original thirteen, {{storylink|Crossing Over: Part 6}} but apparently Nexus Maximus isn't so needy as to actually put "Prime" in his name.
{{-}}
==Toys==
===Cybertron, Classics, and Timelines===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-NexusMaximus.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Remember to use the instructions! You don't want to put something in the wrong hole.]]
*'''Nexus Maximus''' (2009)
:Nexus Maximus is composed of his five team members, with Heatwave forming his central body component. His limbs' [[energon weapon]]s form his hands and feet. Similarly to [[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]]'s "[[Scramble City]]" combiner teams, Nexus Maximus (as well as [[Superion Maximus]], [[Bruticus Maximus (Energon)|Bruticus Maximus]] and [[Constructicon Maximus]]) features universal connection points for the limbs, allowing many different combinations and even swapping of limbs from different teams. His combined form's head was [[retool]]ed to give him a unique one, which is an amalgamation of visual elements of its components' own heads: Skyfall's eyes, Landquake's chin, Breakaway's forehead, Topspin's "hair", and Heatwave's "ears".

:Nexus Maximus is the combined form of the first five [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] freebie toys: Skyfall, Landquake, Breakaway, Topspin, and Heatwave.

==Notes==
* Fun Publication originally submitted the possible names "Prime Nexus" and "Maximus Prime" to Hasbro for the character (reflecting the fact that the character is a Prime in-fiction), Hasbro rejected these, apparently because they are feeling protective towards the use of the name Prime (despite previously having approved the fiction that already named him a Prime, written by their own [[Forest Lee]]). Hasbro suggested merging the non-Prime segments of the two names instead... ooops.
* Apparently neither [[Hasbro]] nor [[Fun Publications]] did their research when naming Nexus Maximus, because there is another product which shares that name and is, as of [[May 24]], [[2009]], the top Google result. While it is definitely a "toy", it is most assuredly not intended for ages 5 and up. It's also probably not safe for work, so [http://www.vixencreations.com/store/maximus.html click here] at your own risk. According to the Fun Publications Club panel at [[BotCon 2009]], Hasbro did a search for the name with "safe search" on, causing them to not see... well, ''that''.
* The debate is still on whether Nexus Maximus constitutes a choking hazard.
* It's hard to say what toyline Nexus Maximus is from, as his components are from multiple franchises. How often does that happen?

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Nexus Prime

2009-06-09T16:15:26Z

Boba Fett: Undo revision 308677 by Metal Gear NOIZE (Talk) what does that mean though? his head is a combo of his body parts? wha?

[[Image:Clubcombinercarving.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Say, haven't I seen you somewhere before?]]

One of the [[thirteen original Transformers]], '''Nexus Maximus''' was created by [[Primus]] shortly after he assumed his planet form for the first time to guard [[Rarified Energon]]. At an unknown point in time, this Transformer was broken into five other robots: [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]], [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]], [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]], [[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]], and [[Heatwave]].

==Fiction==
===''Classics''===
The [[Caretaker]] told its components that Nexus Maximus was "designated a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]", like the other original thirteen, {{storylink|Crossing Over: Part 6}} but apparently Nexus Maximus isn't so needy as to actually put "Prime" in his name.
{{-}}
==Toys==
===Cybertron, Classics, and Timelines===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-NexusMaximus.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Remember to use the instructions! You don't want to put something in the wrong hole.]]
*'''Nexus Maximus''' (2009)
:Nexus Maximus is composed of his five team members, with Heatwave forming his central body component. His limbs' [[energon weapon]]s form his hands and feet. Similarly to [[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]]'s "[[Scramble City]]" combiner teams, Nexus Maximus (as well as [[Superion Maximus]], [[Bruticus Maximus (Energon)|Bruticus Maximus]] and [[Constructicon Maximus]]) features universal connection points for the limbs, allowing many different combinations and even swapping of limbs from different teams. His combined form's head was [[retool]]ed to give him a new one.

:Nexus Maximus is the combined form of the first five [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] freebie toys: Skyfall, Landquake, Breakaway, Topspin, and Heatwave.

==Notes==
* Fun Publication originally submitted the possible names "Prime Nexus" and "Maximus Prime" to Hasbro for the character (reflecting the fact that the character is a Prime in-fiction), Hasbro rejected these, apparently because they are feeling protective towards the use of the name Prime (despite previously having approved the fiction that already named him a Prime, written by their own [[Forest Lee]]). Hasbro suggested merging the non-Prime segments of the two names instead... ooops.

* Apparently neither [[Hasbro]] nor [[Fun Publications]] did their research when naming Nexus Maximus, because there is another product which shares that name and is, as of [[May 24]], [[2009]], the top Google result. While it is definitely a "toy", it is most assuredly not intended for ages 5 and up. It's also probably not safe for work, so [http://www. creations.com/store/maximus.html click here] at your own risk. According to the Fun Publications Club panel at [[BotCon 2009]], Hasbro did a search for the name with "safe search" on, causing them to not see... well, ''that''.

* The debate is still on whether Nexus Maximus constitutes a choking hazard.

* It's hard to say what toyline Nexus Maximus is from, as his components are from multiple franchises. How often does that happen?

[[category:Classics characters]]
[[Category:Combined forms]]
[[Category:Cybertron characters]]
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Nexus Prime

2009-06-08T19:45:42Z

Boba Fett: /* Cybertron, Classics, and Timelines */ ??

[[Image:Clubcombinercarving.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Say, haven't I seen you somewhere before?]]

One of the [[thirteen original Transformers]], '''Nexus Maximus''' was created by [[Primus]] shortly after he assumed his planet form for the first time to guard [[Rarified Energon]]. At an unknown point in time, this Transformer was broken into five other robots: [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]], [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]], [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]], [[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]], and [[Heatwave]].

==Fiction==
===''Classics''===
The [[Caretaker]] told its components that Nexus Maximus was "designated a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]", like the other original thirteen, {{storylink|Crossing Over: Part 6}} but apparently Nexus Maximus isn't so needy as to actually put "Prime" in his name.
{{-}}
==Toys==
===Cybertron, Classics, and Timelines===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-NexusMaximus.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Remember to use the instructions! You don't want to put something in the wrong hole.]]
*'''Nexus Maximus''' (2009)
:Nexus Maximus is composed of his five team members, with Heatwave forming his central body component. His limbs' [[energon weapon]]s form his hands and feet. Similarly to [[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]]'s "[[Scramble City]]" combiner teams, Nexus Maximus (as well as [[Superion Maximus]], [[Bruticus Maximus (Energon)|Bruticus Maximus]] and [[Constructicon Maximus]]) features universal connection points for the limbs, allowing many different combinations and even swapping of limbs from different teams. His combined form's head was [[retool]]ed to give him a new one.

:Nexus Maximus is the combined form of the first five [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] freebie toys: Skyfall, Landquake, Breakaway, Topspin, and Heatwave.

==Notes==
* Fun Publication originally submitted the possible names "Prime Nexus" and "Maximus Prime" to Hasbro for the character (reflecting the fact that the character is a Prime in-fiction), Hasbro rejected these, apparently because they are feeling protective towards the use of the name Prime (despite previously having approved the fiction that already named him a Prime, written by their own [[Forest Lee]]). Hasbro suggested merging the non-Prime segments of the two names instead... ooops.

* Apparently neither [[Hasbro]] nor [[Fun Publications]] did their research when naming Nexus Maximus, because there is another product which shares that name and is, as of [[May 24]], [[2009]], the top Google result. While it is definitely a "toy", it is most assuredly not intended for ages 5 and up. It's also probably not safe for work, so [http://www.vixencreations.com/store/maximus.html click here] at your own risk. According to the Fun Publications Club panel at [[BotCon 2009]], Hasbro did a search for the name with "safe search" on, causing them to not see... well, ''that''.

* The debate is still on whether Nexus Maximus constitutes a choking hazard.

* It's hard to say what toyline Nexus Maximus is from, as his components are from multiple franchises. How often does that happen?

[[category:Classics characters]]
[[Category:Combined forms]]
[[Category:Cybertron characters]]
[[Category:Primus]]
[[Category:Shattered Glass characters]]
[[Category:Thirteen original Transformers|Nexus Maximus 00]]
[[Category:Timelines characters]]
[[Category:TransTech characters]]

The Fallen

2009-06-08T19:42:58Z

Boba Fett: /* Legends Class */

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[[Image:TheFallen_ROTF-AdaptationComic.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Not even the comic panel can contain him!]]

The true name of '''The Fallen''' is lost to the mists of time. He was one of the [[Thirteen original Transformers|original Cybertronians]], a brotherhood of vastly powerful beings dedicated to the well-being of [[Cybertron (planet)|their world]]. But The Fallen would gain his moniker by turning against his brothers and his purpose to pursue his own ends. This avarice gained him only imprisonment in another dimension, where he waits with eternal patience for the chance to unleash his dark powers once again. In the meantime, he has been able to make contact with willing servants among the [[Transformer]]s and issue orders to hasten his return.

Like his brothers, The Fallen is a [[multiversal singularity]], meaning that in all of the vast [[Continuity|multiverse]], there is only one incarnation of him. But he has appeared in different universes, and in each one, his goal and history are described with a unique flavor.

Did we mention that he is also on fire?

==Origins==
As explained in more detail below, The Fallen has been given different origin stories that may be at odds with each other. His ''[[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]]'' portrayal, wrapped in the [[Primus]]/[[Unicron]] mythology, presents him as having been created by Primus to oversee the orderly process of entropy throughout the universe. Fascinated by the idea of cosmic destruction, The Fallen fell under the sway of the ultimate destroyer, Unicron, and he tried to help his new master by sabotaging Primus's bodily form, Cybertron. This failed, and when Unicron lost the battle against Primus, both he and The Fallen were banished to another dimension. From then on, The Fallen craved only the release of his master and the ultimate death of the universe.

This cosmology is reinforced by The Fallen's brief [[Unicron Trilogy]] appearance, where he is seen among the other 13 original Transformers, some of whom are known to have also survived to the present day.

However, his ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' portrayal lacks the Primus/Unicron element; the only creative power is the [[All Spark]], a far more impersonal entity. The Fallen and his fellow "Primes," who were not actually "Transformers" per se, had one mission: to recharge the All Spark by siphoning solar energy. The Fallen's crimes were that he wanted all of that energy for himself, and he was willing to sacrifice an inhabited world (Earth) to do it. His brother Primes did stop him, but at the cost of their own lives. Despite (or perhaps because of) their deaths, they were able to imprison The Fallen in another dimension, from whence he plots and schemes his escape.

So, while similar in form, The Fallen's stories disagree in many details. The ''Revenge of the Fallen'' universe is still being fleshed out, so perhaps future information will clarify the questionable areas.

==Fiction==
===''Generation 1''===
====Dreamwave comics continuity====

[[Image:Thefallenseeksfour.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Hey, The Fallen, ever heard of Tums?]]
When Primus and Unicron first battled as planets, Primus created the first 13 Transformers to assist him in planet mode. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}} The Fallen's original purpose as one of the 13 was to oversee entropy, the orderly dissolution of all things in preparation for the next creation. But the concept of destruction fascinated him too much, and he lost sight of the goal of rebirth and the necessity of restraint. His investigations into the dark sciences led him to Unicron, to whom he gave himself. <ref>[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/toys/titanium/the-fallen/1126/2/9/ Fallen's ''Titanium Series'' on-package bio]</ref> Corrupted by Unicron, the Fallen then tried to sabotage his creator's body. This attempt ended in failure, and "The Fallen" fled to his master, but there was little refuge to be found: They were both sucked into a [[black hole]]. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}}

Approximately 7 million years before the 21st century, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] were lost in a [[space bridge]] accident. This accident weakened the barrier between reality and the dimension in which The Fallen was trapped, allowing The Fallen to eventually break free and return to Cybertron.

[[Image:Thefallen.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Ah, you know it's funny, these people, they go to sleep, they think everything's fine, everything's good... They wake up the next day and they're on fire.]]

The Fallen immediately set about initiating the "[[Unbinding]]", an event which required four particular Transformers, who would function as "angles in the geometry of dissolution". To help him round up the required Transformers, the Fallen recruited a [[Chaos Trinity|trio of Decepticon outcasts]], [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], [[Mindwipe]], and [[Bugly]], who hungered for a command of the occult. The Fallen promised them all manner of dark powers in exchange for serving him. Leading his three followers to a hidden room within Cybertron, he named [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] as the first of the angles to be gathered. {{storylink|Fragmentation}}

The Fallen and company proceeded to construct a strange machine within the [[Well of All Sparks]] in preparation for the Unbinding. Unfortunately, Bludgeon and friends got impatient for more than The Fallen's praise and demanded a more tangible reward: the arcane power he had promised them. The Fallen responded by grabbing Bludgeon’s head and giving him a mere glimpse of what he sought: images of a fiery vortex, demonic faces, stabbing swords and a human skull engulfed Bludgeon. The Fallen stated that this was but a peek inside a dark door he would fully open if they served him well. This left Bludgeon suitably inspired to begin hunting down their targets.

[[Image:Thefallengrimlock.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Someone should tell Grimlock this more often.]]

Bugly and Mindwipe leaked information to draw the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] out into combat with [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], while Bludgeon hatched a plot to snare both Grimlock and[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]. {{storylink|Escalation (IDW)|Escalation}} Bludgeon, Bugly, and Mindwipe ambushed Jetfire as he attempted a cross-faction meeting with [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. When Grimlock crashed the party earlier than they expected, however, The Fallen himself had to intervene and caught Grimlock’s blazing energo-sword in his bare hand. {{storylink|Revelation (The Dark Ages)|Revelation}}

Grimlock took one punch from The Fallen yet still got back up, so The Fallen grabbed him by the shoulders and unleashed a huge blast of energy that put the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] leader out cold. He dragged Grimlock and Jetfire away and commanded his followers to gather the third angle while he handled the fourth. The Fallen singlehandedly abducted [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] from his well-guarded holding cell in Autobot headquarters, shrugging off attacks by some of the Autobots' best warriors and causing their weapons to corrode away into uselessness with a mere gesture. Bludgeon's team, meanwhile, succeeded in acquiring [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]] from the Protectobots.

[[Image:Fallenmoreonfire.jpg|right|thumb|250px|The Fallen somehow sets himself ''more on fire''.]]

All four angles were strapped to the device in the Well of All Sparks. Launching into full B-movie villain mode, The Fallen theatrically monologued to the awakening Jetfire that they were casualties in the war of the Gods, and would be used to break the Seal of Primus, after which "all chaos will follow". {{storylink|Confrontation (issue)|Confrontation}}

The Fallen continued his villainous monologue, apparently directing it not at Jetfire but at Primus himself, as the four Transformers' unique sparks were drained to unlock the Seal of Primus. A combined army of forces from several factions defeated the Chaos Trinity and penetrated The Fallen's operation, while Jetfire arranged a force-field to contain the energy of Primus. The God of Light himself was subsequently roused from his slumber; with a gesture of his radiant hand, he engulfed his wayward creation in a torrent of searing energy that was then sucked back into the Seal of Primus. {{storylink|Conflagration}}
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===Unicron Trilogy===
====''Cybertron'' comic====
[[Image:Vectorprimeut.jpg|thumb|140px|Back, and to the left.]]
[[Vector Prime]]'s reminiscences of his mission and history included standing with his fellow 13 original Transformers, The Fallen's silhouette visible in their ranks. {{storylink|Vector Prime: In the Beginning}}

{{note|This story and comments by [[Hasbro]] copy-writer [[Forest Lee]] are the basis of the notion that The Fallen, Vector Prime, and the other original 13 are singular entities with no duplicates throughout the multiverse. This was reiterated at [[BotCon 2009]], even in the face of the upcoming ''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie. Brave men these Hasbro writers be!}}
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===Live-action film series===
====IDW ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics====
[[Image:Defianceissue4-creation.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Look [[Prima|familiar]]?]]

According to what The Fallen told [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] as part of the latter's recruitment, The Fallen and his brothers were the first creations of the [[All Spark]]. The planet that would become [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] was mostly barren, but as the All Spark gradually shaped Cybertron around them and gave The Fallen and his brothers power beyond measure, the All Spark became depleted. They learned that the its power could be replenished by harvesting the energy of stars, but they were unable to locate new stars to suit their purposes, despite their amazing ability to travel between dimensions using triangular "sarcophagi."

A breakthrough came when the All Spark created for them [[Transformer|workers]] that had a power of their own: They could change their forms! Some, called "[[seeker (G1)|seeker]]s," could even change into interstellar crafts that could locate suns for them. But as the workers built a [[harvester]] on [[Earth]] to gather this solar energy, The Fallen wondered evil thoughts. What if only one harvested the energy? What if the power was his alone?

The Fallen betrayed his brothers. To erase their existence, he destroyed their sarcophagi, in which their life forces were stored. But this drained him of almost all his energy, and while he was weak, the brothers he thought he had killed... acted. They sacrificed themselves to trap him in a fiery dimension within his own sarcophagus, while the harvester on Earth was covered by the [[Human|natives]] with a pyramid. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}

[[Image:Defiance4_Megatron_TheFallen.jpg|thumb|300px|All right, who changed the thermostat!?]]

Knowledge of this was lost through the ages, and eons later, a mysterious pylon was found buried on Cybertron by modern-day Transformers and delivered to Megatron's private quarters. Unbeknownst to them all, this was the sarcophagus of The Fallen, and upon activation, it healed the grievously-wounded Cybertronian military leader and established contact between him and its prisoner. Filled with a new resolve to destroy those who sought out the All Spark, Megatron's optics were tinted red by the encounter. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 2}} In the aftermath of Megatron's ruthless battle against a band of aliens seeking the All Spark, The Fallen further counseled him to seize control of Cybertron to make way for The Fallen's return. He also told him that [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] sought the All Spark for himself, and Megatron immediately decided that Optimus and his followers deserved to be killed for this transgression. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 3}}

But simply taking the planet would not be enough. The Fallen also ordered Megatron to build a [[Nemesis (Movie)|space cruiser]] to seek out the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]], which he said was a prerequisite to his return. As the ship's construction came to an end, The Fallen told Megatron the story of his origin (recounted above) and his plans regarding the harvester on Earth. The Fallen ordered Megatron to put his sarcophagus on the ship and then stay behind to fight Optimus's forces and safeguard the All Spark. [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] and a majority of the Decepticon soldiers crewed the ship, which ended up crashing on some barren world under unknown circumstances.

Meanwhile on Cybertron, civil war raged between Optimus's Autobots and Megatron's Decepticons, a war which eventually led to the All Spark being launched into space. As Megatron alone pursued the hurtling cube, he picked up a distress signal from the ''Nemesis.'' He found the crashed ship and within it the still-intact sarcophagus. He once again spoke with The Fallen, who was furious that Megatron had taken this detour from his pursuit of the All Spark. He ordered him to resume the chase immediately, confident that it would guide itself to the harvester. Megatron obeyed, leaving the sarcophagus in the barren wreckage. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}
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====DK ''Transformers: The Movie Universe'' book====
The 13 original Cybertronians, known as "the Primes," were dedicated to protecting all life, and as such they refused to utilize the harvester on the inhabited Earth. One of their number, however, felt no such compunctions and did battle with the other 12 as he prepared to harvest the planet's sun. In the end, he slaughtered all of his brethren, but they were still able to imprison him in a pocket dimension and save the Earth. In the process, his appearance had changed to a terrifying, cage-like exostructure burning with chaotic energies from the universe's creation, forces that had purged him of all morality. Since his body was never meant to contain the unholy power flowing through it, he had to steadily vent that energy to ensure his own continued existence. This created the visual effect of a constant fiery nimbus. He disowned his old name in favor of "The Fallen", which he found in keeping with his new form.

While effectively harmless to the universe outside his prison, his powers remained vast: He could generate space bridges spontaneously, as well as focus his energies into discrete blasts that could unmake creation itself. Were he ever able to escape, he would be a supremely powerful danger. {{storylink|Transformers: The Movie Universe}}

====''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie====
[[Image:ROTFteaser2_firerobot.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Touch-DOWN!!!]]

Some time later, he presumably gets out of that sarcophagus and makes it to Earth. He is ''so'' going to get revenge, you betcha. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

{{comingsoon}}
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==Games==
===''Revenge of the Fallen: The Game''===
:''Voice actor:'' [[James Arnold Taylor]]

{{comingsoon}}

==Toys==
===Titanium Series===
[[Image:Thefallentitanium.JPG|right|thumb|300px|Hey, Stegmutt! Mister The Fallen is ON FIRE!]]
*'''Fallen''' (6-inch Cybertron Heroes, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Display stand
: Instead of being based on his comic appearance, the Fallen toy is loosely based on [[Don Figueroa]]'s design for pre-[[Earth]] [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] as seen in ''[[Infiltration]]'' and ''[[Stormbringer (comics)|Stormbringer]]'', though obviously with The Fallen's head and deco. He transforms into a Cybertronic tank. Sadly his tank form doesn't hold together well, nor does he have actual hands, just blocks with holes in them. His side-mounted cannons can peg into his forearms in robot mode, or be held in his fists. He wears a faction symbol of his own effigy. So far, The Fallen is, by a fraction of an inch, the tallest (and the bulkiest) of the 6" Titanium Series figures.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Unicron/TheFallen/thefallen.htm More information on The Fallen at TFU.info]''

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===Revenge of the Fallen===
====Legends Class====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenLegends.jpg|right|thumb|300px|''*high-pitched helium voice*'' "I am the Faaallllleeeen!"]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Legends class, 2009)
:Part of wave 3 of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends Class toys, The Fallen transforms from robot mode to a Cybertronian Destroyer.

{{comingsoontoy}}
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[[Image:ROTF_Legends_TheFallen_Lawson.jpg|thumb|300px|What, how dare they make me so small?! I was worshipped as a ''GOD!'']]
*'''Soundwave / EZ Collection The Fallen''' (2009)
:Available exclusively at the Lawson's convenience store in Japan (and the only way to obtain this figure in via TakaraTomy), this version of Legends class The Fallen has more paint applications than the Hasbro release. The Deluxe-class Preview Soundwave it comes with is unchanged from the regular release. Preorders opened on May 1st and close on June 30th, and the figure itself ships on October 16th.

{{comingsoontoy}}
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====Voyager Class====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenVoyager.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Smokin'!]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Voyager class, 2009)

:Part of wave two of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Voyager Class figures, The Fallen transforms from a robot into a "Cybertronian Destroyer" mode. The robot mode features several "slide-out energy absorption panels" on his head and arms which can either be deployed or hidden. In addition to that [[Mech Alive]] feature, his feet are spring-actioned so that when the toy is not standing on a surface (or in other words, in jet mode), the toes ball up together. Setting the robot back down on a flat surface will splay the toes open again.

:There are rubbery connectors that attach his arms to his torso that increase accuracy to his visual portrayal in the live-action film, but this restricts his arm movement severely.

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[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenVoyagerorange.jpg|right|thumb|250px|CAUTION: HOT]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Voyager class, 2009)

:A Target-[[exclusive]] redeco of The Fallen in a black and translucent orange colour scheme, both a homage to the Fallen's original appearance in the Generation 1 continuity, and to presumably to show him being "on fire".
{{comingsoontoy}}
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*'''Gathering at Nemesis''' (Toys "R" Us-exclusive box set, 2009)
: This version of The Fallen comes with a silver Voyager Class Megatron from the first movie toyline and a ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Soundwave [[redeco]]ed in predominantly blue as an homage to the original Soundwave. Unknown at this time if this The Fallen will have color differences.
{{comingsoontoy}}
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====Robot Replicas====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-TheFallenRobotReplica.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Yes! We come from France!]]
*'''The Fallen''' (Robot Replica, 2009)
:This nonconvertible figurine of The Fallen boasts several points of articulation, a faithful replication of the robot mode, and little else.
{{comingsoontoy}}
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==Merchandise==
===7-11 Slurpee straw topper===
[[Image:ROTFmerchandise-TheFallenstraw.jpg|right|thumb|150px|''Great'' Transformers tie-in merchandise or the ''greatest'' Transformers tie-in merchandise?]]
*'''The Fallen'''
: The Fallen will help you uncreate your Slurpee with this Slurpee straw topper figurine! Comes attached to a straw in a baggie and is available at your local 7-11 while supplies last!
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==Notes==
[[Image:Fallenpatlee.jpg|right|thumb|150px|I'm The Fallen, and I can't get up!]]

*The Fallen design was created by [[Pat Lee]], his first (and only) original Transformers character. ([[Simon Furman]] created the concept, see next item.) The early design concept not only lacked The Fallen's characteristic mouthplate, but differed incredibly from the final product. Envisioned as a medieval, ancient-looking Transformer, he glowed like a furnace, though he was not depicted as being perpetually on fire until [[Andrew Wildman]] penciled his appearances in ''[[The Dark Ages]]'' and the colorists caught on.

*The Fallen was also used to recycle some of Simon Furman's unused [[Last Autobot]] plans.[http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~sstoneb/tf/tidbits/otfcc2004.txt]

*When questioned about him constantly being aflame, ''War Within'' writer Simon Furman stated that The Fallen is always on fire "because it looks cool".

[[Image:Thefallentank.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The Judasmobile.]]
*The Fallen's [[altmode]], a tank, though designed, was never used in-fiction.

*Very little of The Fallen's backstory was given in his first fictional appearances, leaving much of ''The Dark Ages'' somewhat confusing on its own. Helpful inserts from the ''More Than Meets the Eye'' profile books and DK's ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'', published around the same time, spelled out more. Eventually, the packaging profile printed on his Titanium figure gave the rest. Oh, and then years later, he was the titular villain of a summer blockbuster film.

* The proper treatment of his name, with its capital-T "The", is established both in the comics and the ''Ultimate Guide''. The one dissenting source is his on-package [[bio]], which simply calls him "'''Fallen'''" (as in, "'''Fallen''' forgot his real name long ago"). The reason for this awkward treatment is unknown, though the usual culprits behind toy-name oddities are [[trademark]] issues.

* The Fallen can speak Spanish. ''"Estoy en fuego!"''<ref>Fanclub-exclusive Mini Mayhem strip, March 19, 2007</ref>

* During San Diego Comic-Con 2008, in an interview on July 25th, [[Simon Furman]] claimed that ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]'' would feature a character called the Fallen, which was a character they created for Dreamwave's ''The War Within: The Dark Ages''.<ref>[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17412 Simon Furman confirms The Fallen is a character in an interview with Comic Book Resources (Fallen details removed)]</ref> Three days later, [[IDW Publishing]] writer [[Chris Mowry]] corroborated the claim in an interview with MTV Splash Page, calling "The Fallen" the main villain of the film.<ref>[http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/07/28/exclusive-transformers-2-prequel-comic-gives-inside-scoop-on-2009-movie/ MTV Splash Page interviews Chris Mowry (Fallen details removed)]</ref> Less than a week after this, however, [[Michael Bay]] reiterated that everything leaked thus far is part of their misinformation campaign and that only a handful of people involved with the production of ''Revenge'' have seen the script, contradicting IDW's interviews where their representatives confirm that they have the script.<ref>[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44729&postcount=2 A post made by Michael Bay on his forum]</ref> Curiously, on August 5th 2008, after a fan posted on Michael Bay's forum pointing out the contradiction, all references to The Fallen were removed from the aforementioned interviews, as well as any references to IDW Publishing having the script.

* In Titan ''Transformers Comic'' [[Aftermath Part 2]], the newly-ascendant [[President of the United States]] is named [[Theodore Allen|'''The'''odore '''F. Allen''']]. It remains to be seen if the wordplay has any significance beyond the fact that he is under Decepticon [[Cerebro-strip|mind-control]].

==References==
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User:Boba Fett

2009-06-07T02:29:16Z

Boba Fett: /* favorite Pictures */ sounds cooler

Star Wars (event)

2009-06-06T18:17:42Z

Boba Fett: /* Crossovers/Star Wars Transformers */

[[Image:VaderVsPrime.jpg|right|250px|thumb|How can you strangle that which does not breathe?]]
'''Star Wars''' is the catch-all banner for an intergalactic conflict between several factions of humanoid aliens and robots engaged in a galactic war.

Known factions include Bounty Hunters, [[Empire]], [[Jedi]], [[Rebel Alliance]], [[Galactic Republic|Republic]], [[Confederacy of Independent Systems|Separatist]], and [[Sith]].

{{Wookiee}}

==Battle mechs==
Many "star warriors" fight using Transformer-like battle mecha that change from vehicles to large combat robots. These mecha are piloted from within and are not sapient beings like true Cybertronian [[Transformer|Transformers]]. The pilots trigger their vehicle's transformation by summoning something called "[[Force|The Force]]" or "the dark side". The nature of this mechanism is unclear, but we do know that vehicle-to-robot conversions are a "new technology" for them.

Rather unique to this conflict, many of the key figures in these Star Wars pilot clearly customized mecha whose robot modes are based closely on their own physical appearance. Based on the ''possible'' [[Scale|size]] of the star warriors relative to the average Transformer ''(see below)'', their transforming ships may be on a scale with massive city-bots like [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]].

==Size matters not?==
[[Image:Megatronvsluke.jpg|left|180px|thumb|Megatron is not Luke Skywalker's father. Probably.]]
Perhaps similar to the inhabitants of [[Femax]], these fearsome beings, though in many cases strikingly [[human]]-like, might be of a gigantic stature, equaling the [[Scale|size]] of many Transformers. Rare images of star warriors battling against Transformers from the [[Unicron Trilogy]] have been uncovered, though the context is unclear. It has also been speculated that perhaps the Transformers themselves had been somehow reduced in stature for this conflict, or the star warriors' size similarly increased from their normal standard, but without further context, it is impossible to determine which holds true.
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==Fiction==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:R2d2 c3po.jpg|right|180px|thumb|These aren't the droids we're looking for.]]
A pair of mechanoids ''similar'' to [[wikia:starwars:C-3PO|two]] [[wikia:starwars:R2-D2|droids]] that are known participants in the Star Wars ''have'' been seen in a Generation 1 universe at the [[Schaeffer Energy]] plant, suggesting either dimensional travel, or the existence of alternate universe analogues of at least some of the star warriors, or bloody amazing coincidence (actual scientific term). {{storylink|Battle Up of Wrath!!}} Since these droids only appear in the far foreground of a scene containing a human child, a [[Micromaster]], and [[Braver]] behind them, it is impossible to determine their heights.

At around the same time, [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]] travelled to the settlement of [[Iron Town]] on an unnamed planet. The population there included the [[wikia:starwars:Ewok|Ewok]] and [[wikia:starwars:Jawa|Jawa]] alien species involved in the Star Wars. {{storylink|The Brave Hero of the Universe - Star Saber}}

The tall golden droid (or robots that resemble him) has also been seen in ''another'' Generation 1 universe. One was a citizen of the [[Dead End (place)|Dead End]] of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], its appearance (and poor state of repair) recorded for posterity as [[Scrounge]] rolled through on one of his spy missions. {{storylink|The Smelting Pool!|The Smelting Pool!}} It also bears a striking resemblance to the [[Chromite]] mechanical aliens. {{storylink|Guess Who the Mecannibals Are Having for Dinner?}}

Movie director [[Rollie Friendly]] believed his film, ''[[Monster from Mars]]'', would be "bigger than Star Wars". {{storylink|Monstercon from Mars!}} Whether or not he was referring to the intergalactic conflict is unknown.

===Unicron Trilogy===
Indications are that the star warriors are native to a galaxy within the Unicron Trilogy family. In the [[Attacktix]] conflict, they are in an "Intergalactic Showdown" with [[Omega Sentinel (Energon)|Omega Sentinel]] and those continuities' then-current versions of [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]]. Given the name of their encounter and the lack of any scrap of a reference to travel between universes, [[wikipedia:Occam's razor|Occam's razor]] indicates we should assume that these characters are from another galaxy in the same universe. Since a galaxy outside the Milky Way is by definition far, far away from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], [[Earth]], and [[Mars|other]] [[Nebulos|planets]] local to the Transformers, encounters with the star warriors being an extreme rarity is no surprise.

Hopefully some day more information on this conflict and its [[Spider-Man|other]] [[Nicholas|participants]] may come to light, though the inclusion of numerous [[Generation 1]] and [[Movie (franchise)|Movie]] multiverse Transformers in the conflict casts an odd light on the issue.

===Live-action Movie continuity===
In the [[Sector Seven (game)|Sector Seven game]] universe within the [[Movie (franchise)|Movie]] [[continuity family]], [[Reggie Simmons]] and [[John Ho]] attended the premiere of the film ''Star Wars'' at [[wikipedia:Grauman's_Chinese_Theater|Grauman's Chinese Theater]] on May 25, 1977. This is the same universe in which the film ''Transformers'' (July 4, 2007) is part of a counter-intelligence campaign by Simmons' [[Sector Seven]] organization to discredit claims of the existence of alien robots. Make of that what you will. {{storylink|Sector Seven (game)}}

==Toys==
===Attacktix===
'''Intergalactic Showdown''' (Multi-pack, 2006)
* AT-RT with [[Clone Pilot]]
* [[Darth Vader]]
* [[Luke Skywalker]]

===Crossovers/Star Wars Transformers===
'''Bounty Hunters'''
* [[Boba Fett]] / Slave 1 | 2006
* [[Jango Fett]] / Slave 1 (redeco of Boba Fett) | 2007

'''Galactic Empire'''
* [[AT-AT|AT-AT Driver]] / AT-AT | 2007
* Darth Vader / TIE Advanced Fighter | 2006
* Darth Vader / TIE Advanced Fighter (2-pack light-gray repaint) | 2007
* Darth Vader / Sith Starfighter (retooled redeco of Obi-Wan Kenobi) | 2006
* Darth Vader / Death Star | 2007
* [[Emperor Palpatine]] / Imperial Shuttle | 2006
* Emperor Palpatine / Imperial Shuttle (black deco) | 2009
* [[AT-AT|Imperial Trooper]] / AT-AT (Endor 'forest stain' deco) | 2009
* [[TIE Fighter|TIE Pilot]] / TIE Bomber | 2008

'''Jedi Order'''
* [[Ahsoka Tano]] / Jedi Starfighter (retooled redeco of Saesee Tiin) | 2009
* [[Darth Vader|Anakin Skywalker]] / Jedi Starfighter (retooled redeco of Obi-Wan Kenobi) | 2006
* Anakin Skywalker / Jedi Starfighter (retooled redeco of Saesee Tiin) | 2008
* [[Kit Fisto]] / Jedi Starfighter (retooled redeco of Saesee Tiin) | 2009
* [[Mace Windu]] / Jedi Starfighter (retooled redeco of Obi-Wan Kenobi) | 2007
* [[Obi-Wan Kenobi]] / Jedi Starfighter (Episode III model) | 2006
* Obi-Wan Kenobi / Jedi Starfighter (2-pack blue repaint) | 2007
* Obi-Wan Kenobi / Jedi Starfighter (retooled redeco of Saesee Tiin) | 2008
* [[Plo Koon]] / Jedi Starfighter (retooled redeco of Saesee Tiin) | 2009
* [[Saesee Tiin]] / Jedi Starfighter (Episode II model) | 2007

'''Rebel Alliance'''
* [[Han Solo]] and [[Chewbacca]] / [[Millennium Falcon]] ([[combiner]]) | 2007
* [[Luke Skywalker]] / X-wing Fighter | 2006
* Luke Skywalker / Snowspeeder | 2007
* Princess Leia / Tantive IV | 2009

'''Galactic Republic'''
* [[Captain Rex]] / AT-TE | 2009
* [[Clone Pilot]] / ARC-170 Starfighter | 2006
* [[Clone Pilot|Clone ARC Pilot]] / ARC-170 Starfighter (tigershark redeco) | 2006
* Clone Pilot / Republic Gunship | 2007
* Clone ARC Pilot / Republic Gunship (tigershark redeco) | 2008
* Clone Pilot / Republic Gunship (redeco and retool without gunner pods) | 2009
* Clone Pilot / V-19 Torrent Starfighter | 2009
* [[Commander Cody]] / Turbo Tank | 2007
* [[Shock Trooper]] / V-Wing Fighter | 2009

'''Confederacy of Independent Systems'''
* [[Battle Droid]] / AAT | 2009
* [[General Grievous]] / Wheel Bike | 2006
* General Grievous / Grievous's Starfighter | 2008
* [[Magna Guard]] / Fighter | (2009)

'''Sith Order'''
* [[Darth Maul]] / Sith Infiltrator | 2006

==Notes==
* One of the "star warriors", a Han Solo, bears a passing resemblance to movie star [[Harold Edsel]]. Whether his co-star [[Karen Fishook]] also has a star warrior counterpart is unknown.

* It was partially owing to Hasbro's enormous product glut with their ''Star Wars: Episode I'' toyline that the ''[[Transtech]]'' line was scrapped.

* The ''Star Wars Transformers'' toys from 2006 through 2008 all feature little pilot mini-figures that sat in the toys' cockpits. Originally, this was done to make sure kids would not be confused and think that the giant robots were ''not'' piloted mecha but living robots like the Transformers. Starting with 2009's new ''[[Crossovers]]'' product, however, the pilot mini-figures were dropped from the toys, and the "carryover" older toys were packed with the pilot figures already in the cockpits. Hasbro cited this as being both a cost-saving measure (thanks to rising manufacturing costs) and a move born of their discovery through play-testing that kids really weren't getting "piloted mech" and "living robot" confused <ref>[http://www.actionfigs.com/index.php?categoryid=12&p2_articleid=1916 Hasbro ''Star Wars'' Q&A on ActionFigs.com], August 15th 2008</ref> (also the likely reason such figures were not included for the [[Marvel Comics]] ''Crossovers'' toys).

==References==
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==External links==
* [http://www.starwars.com The Official Star Wars Website]
* [[wikia:c:starwars|Wookieepedia, the Star Wars wiki]]

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Logos Prime

2009-06-06T02:41:56Z

Boba Fett: wa? nobody saids he was a 13 like the fallen, right? Help me here.

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{{disambig2|the Cybertron character|the Generation 1 character eventually upgraded to Soundblaster|Soundwave (G1)}}
[[Image:Bwreborn text.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Is the silhouette really necessary for the all black toy?]]
'''Soundblaster''', also known as '''Logos Prime''', is an ancient equal with [[Vector Prime]] and possessing extraordinary power over space and time. He can take any name and form that he chooses. Soundblaster is partnered with the bird-bot [[Hell Buzzsaw]], who he uses to speak through to mere mortals.

==Fiction==
===''Beast Wars Reborn''===
After the [[Great Reformatting]], Logos Prime abducted [[Optimus Primal]] and [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] onto his amazing starship, though they had lost their memories. After a series of confusing escapades between the two, Logos Prime introduced himself as Soundblaster. He offered his powers over space and time to Megatron, hoping that he'd be his successor. But [[Vector Prime]] appeared and interrupted. The two old Transformers recognized each other as [[Ancients]], and a battle was likely imminent... {{storylink|Master of the Game}}

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==Toys==
===Cybertron===
[[Image:GalaxyForcetoy-Soundblaster.jpg|right|thumb|300px|In the beginning was The Word. And The Word was a black repaint...]]
* '''Soundblaster''' (Voyager class, 2006)
** ''Japanese ID number:'' '''GX-03'''
** ''Accessories:'' "Hell Buzzsaw" partner, "Laser Cannon", "Blaster Gun", Planet X type Cyber Key
:Soundblaster is a [[redeco]] of the Cybertron [[Soundwave (Cybertron)|Soundwave]] toy, transforming into a Cybertronic stealth bomber. He comes with three hexagonal prism "bombs"; one converts into his partner Hell Buzzsaw, the other two unfold into non-firing blaster weapons. Any one of these "bombs" can be stored in his robot-mode chest, which opens by plugging a [[Cyber Planet Key]] into him. The other two store in indents on the underside of his wings. He comes with a silver-bordered Planet X style Cyber Planet Key.

: He was only available under the "Toy's Dream Project" series of [[exclusive]] hobby/collector toy releases.

: This mold was also used to make the [[Universe (2008 franchise)|2008 Universe-series]] version of [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]].

==Notes==
* Though Soundblaster's box was new, he came with Soundwave's instructions.

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