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Airachnid (Prime)

2013-06-29T15:50:42Z

Bobcat2022: /* Prime cartoon */ minor spelling and capitalization correction

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:''Airachnid is a Decepticon from the [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)| Prime]] portion of the [[Aligned continuity family]].''

[[Image:Airachnid-HowToDraw.jpg|right|thumb|300px|There once was a spider who knew how to fly / I don't know why the spider could fly / Perhaps you'll die]]

Long ago, '''Airachnid''' was with the [[Decepticon]]s, where her cruel, cold-sparked, murderous demeanor served her well. After the [[Great Exodus]] of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], however, she decided to go solo. These days, Airachnid spends her time engaging in her new hobby: collecting [[Airachnid's specimens|endangered species]]... well, parts of endangered species, mostly the heads. Now, if a species ''isn't'' endangered? Oh, they will be. She'll make ''sure'' of that, and she'll make sure it's a slow, painful process.

Less trustworthy than even [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]], she is more than willing to kill her own [[Breakdown (WFC)|men]] or leave her [[Megatron (WFC)|commanding officers]] behind if it means getting what she wants. The pain and trauma she had inflicted on [[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee]], from said [[Autobot]]'s torture to the brutal execution of [[Tailgate (Prime)|her partner]], have given them a vicious, bitter history, and both will stop at nothing to kill each other. She also has the ability to control [[Insecticon (Prime)|Insecticons]].

==Fiction==
===''Prime'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[Gina Torres]] (English), [[Ryōka Yuzuki]] (Japanese)|[[Erica Edwards]] (Latin American-Spanish), [[Heide Domanowski]] (German), [[Julia Martínez]] (Spain-Spanish), [[Marina Thovez]] (Italian)}}

[[Image:Airachnid.jpg|left|300px|thumb|Shelob gave dieting a go after seeing how much weight her director lost.]]

During the war for Cybertron, Airachnid managed to capture [[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee]] and her partner [[Tailgate (Prime)|Tailgate]]. Quickly realizing that Arcee would resist the physical torture she used, Airachnid decided to employ a simpler threat: Tell her the attack coordinates of an impeding attack, or Tailgate dies. Arcee insisted she didn't know the coordinates, but Airachnid didn't believe her and killed Tailgate. Moments later, [[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]] and [[Cliffjumper (WFC)|Cliffjumper]] burst into the holding room, killing the two [[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicon]]s and rescuing Arcee. Airachnid, however, escaped.

Following the [[Great Exodus]], Airachnid concluded that the war was over, meaning she needed a new way to spend her time. Abandoning the Decepticons, she decided to hunt sentient species, then wipe them out after getting a trophy. Eventually, Airachnid crash-landed [[Airachnid's ship|her ship]] on [[Earth]]. She initially laid her optics on a lone camper, but was ambushed by Arcee. While Arcee gained the upper hand, she was distracted by her human partner, [[Jack Darby]], and Airachnid webbed her to a rock. Having learned of Cliffjumper's recent demise, Airachnid decided that making Jack her next trophy would be a delicious way to hurt Arcee before finally snuffing out her [[spark]]. She chased Jack back to her ship, but discovered too late that the human had snuck out the underside. She spotted Jack ''just'' in time to see him hurl a flaming stick into a pool of [[energon]] that was leaking from her ship. Airachnid barely managed to escape the explosion, but she was wounded and ''really'' pissed. She managed to web the fleeing Jack to a tree, but before Airachnid could deliver the killing blow, Arcee came to the rescue and absolutely wiped the forest floor with the Decepticon. Deciding she had endured enough for one night, Airachnid drilled into the ground and fled. {{storylink|Predatory}}

[[Image:Crisscross-helicopter.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Finally a use for those helicopter cockpit halves on her shoulders!]]
Learning of [[MECH]]'s treatment of [[Breakdown (WFC)|Breakdown]], Airachnid engineered a distress call which lured [[Silas]] to the forest. She made a deal with the MECH agent to give him Arcee – at least, what would be ''left'' of her – if he could deliver Jack to her. Silas used the [[Internet]] to track down information on Jack and have [[June Darby]] kidnapped so Airachnid cocooned her and dangled her from a building in the disused [[Jasper]] factory MECH was occupying. When Jack arrived, Airacnid gave him six minutes to rescue his mother. She followed Jack around the factory and, when he eventually found June and claimed victory, she pointed out the task was to ''rescue'' mom, not just find her. Before Airachnid could start with the dismemberment, Arcee arrived to attack her and the two enemies fought at length around the building's structure. During the fight, Airachnid was thrown into a container and coated with concrete, but managed to get free and web Arcee to the ground. She was about to finish off Arcee when she was attacked by [[William Fowler|Agent Fowler]]'s helicopters, and was forced to [[scanning|scan]] one so she could escape. {{storylink|Crisscross}}

[[Image:MetalAttraction-Airachnidcaptured.jpg|thumb|left|250px|"Breakdown, you have a bug on your... um... windshield?"]]
Airachnid followed a magnetic signal and found [[Breakdown (WFC)|Breakdown]] with a [[polarity gauntlet]]. Seeking to obtain the weapon, she buried him underground, but he escaped and she was forced to fight him. Then Arcee turned up with a [[Bulkhead (Prime)|new partner for her to snuff]] and she had to fight them as well. When Breakdown activated the gauntlet, she fled in alarm. She later ambushed the 'Con on his way back to the ''[[Trypticon (WFC)|Nemesis]]'', taking the gauntlet from him and reacting with disdain to his suggestion they could take it back to [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] together. The Autobots caught up with them, and Airachnid used the gauntlet to draw Arcee to her for a little one-on-one fighting. When the battle started to turn sour, however, she grabbed the gauntlet and attempted to flee in her helicopter form. Unfortunately, Bulkhead grabbed her and threw her into Breakdown. Fused magnetically to the 'Con, she was carried back to the ''Nemesis'', where she had no choice but to rejoin the Decepticons. {{storylink|Metal Attraction}}

[[Image:Partners-Immobilizer.jpg|thumb|250px|"Even shinier than the [[Polarity gauntlet]]!"]]
Immediately ingratiating herself with Megatron, Airachnid told the Decepticon leader that [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]] had been keeping information to himself, such as the location of the crashed Decepticon ship, the ''[[Harbinger]]''. Megatron ordered Starscream to take Airachnid to the ship's crash site and secure the experimental weapon it contained. Once there, Airachnid discovered that the half of the ship containing the [[Immobilizer]] had broken off before impact. She webbed up Starscream and forced him to tell her the location of the aft section, but was attacked by the Autobots while leaving. After a brief fight with Arcee, Airachnid was chased off by [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]], and instead went to find the ''Harbinger''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> aft. She quickly located it and retrieved the Immobilizer, then lay in wait as Optimus's team approached the ship. She was able to freeze Bulkhead and Optimus, but some deft trickery by Bumblebee allowed him to sneak up on her and destroy the Immobilizer. She retreated back to the ''Nemesis'' where she tried to blame the loss of the Immobilizer on Starscream as well as explain why she left him behind. Unluckily for her, an enraged Megatron roared that by allowing the Decepticon second-in-command to be taken prisoner, she'd just put all Decepticon intelligence at the fingertips of the Autobots. {{storylink|Partners}}

Despite this, she was promoted to Second in Command during Starscream's absence. {{storylink|One Shall Fall}} Breakdown seemed to have developed a crush on Airachnid. {{storylink|Stronger, Faster}}

[[Image:Tfprime Airachnid thoughts of betrayal.jpg|thumb|250px|left|Who needs Starscream?]]
When the Decepticons located the last part they needed for their space bridge in a human installation, Airachnid suggested she could burrow up under it, but Megatron announced that the time for stealth was past, so she didn't. Once they secured the power source they needed, Airachnid and Knock Out observed Megatron acting strangely and wondered if their leader was losing it. {{storylink|One Shall Fall}} While the [[Decepticon Miner|miners]] gathered up [[Dark Energon]], Airachnid hung out on the bridge and watched as [[Soundwave (WFC)|Soundwave]] played back [[Unicron]]'s pulse. She reported to Megatron that the hold was full, and they should think about retreating. He responded by leaving her in charge while he went to go and talk to Unicron. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 1}} Airachnid returned the ''Nemesis'' to orbit to wait. When no further word came from Megatron, she told Soundwave that Megatron might not be coming back. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 2}}

[[Image:OneShallRise3-SoundwaveAirachnid.jpg|right|thumb|250px|''Round One. FIGHT!!!'']]
When she called the ''Nemesis''<nowiki>'</nowiki> crew to the bridge, she had deduced that Megatron, either deceased or deep within Unicron, had abandoned them, and with Earth falling into chaos, decided that they should relocate to [[Regulon Four]]. As none of the other Decepticons spoke out against her, Airachnid ordered Soundwave to set the ''Nemesis'' on course, however the silent Decepticon refused to comply. She attempted to assert her leadership by attacking him, only to discover that she was no match for Soundwave and his Minicon [[Laserbeak (WFC)|Laserbeak]]. The pair double-teamed her, and she was forced to yield when held underfoot. She subsequently decided to be elsewhere when Megatron did return. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 3}}

Airachnid was soon back as Megatron's subordinate, though she expressed her concern about the amnesiac Optimus Prime being allowed full run of the ship. When Arcee sneaked on board The Nemesis to find Optimus, Airachnid readily volunteered to go and deal with her, even offering to offline the Autobot. However, Megatron felt that the situation needed to be dealt with more subtly, so he sent Soundwave instead. {{storylink|Orion Pax, Part 1}}

[[Image:Crossfire Airachnid captures Arcee.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Let the shipping commence!]]
Airachnid offered to employ her tracking skills in finding more artifacts, and Megatron sent her, [[Dreadwing (Prime)|Dreadwing]] and Breakdown on a search mission. However, the whole mission was a ploy; her partners were under orders to terminate her for her attempts to wrest command of the Decepticons during Megatron's brief absence. Her relentless needling of Breakdown made the 'Con lose his cool and try and kill her before Dreadwing gave the order. She quickly webbed Dreadwing to a tree, leading Breakdown on a chase through the woods. Though she was damaged in the chase, she eventually caught Breakdown in a webbing trap, and promptly dismantled him. Limping away, she ran across an [[Insecticon (Prime)|Insecticon]] which she was able to control. Starscream, missing his [[transformation cog]], happened upon the pairing and offered a partnership. Airachnid instead sicced the Insecticon on him, hoping for another kill, but the weaselly Decepticon managed to escape. Airachnid then lured Megatron to an abandoned energon mine and set the Insecticon on him, watching the fight until she was attacked by Arcee. The Autobot pursued her as she burrowed away, but Airachnid managed to ambush her foe. She was prevented from terminating the helpless Arcee by Starscream, and instead had to flee yet again, but this fortuitously led her to stumble on a whole Insecticon hive. {{Storylink|Crossfire}}

Detecting a beacon transmitting from the ''Nemesis'', Airachnid woke the Insecticon army to go eliminate Megatron. Their activity drew the attention of the Autobots, and though Airachnid sent Insecticons after them, Arcee broke away from the swarm and relentlessly pursued her nemesis into the Insecticon hive. As the two fought, Arcee managed to maneuver Airachnid onto one of the Insecticon's open stasis pods, which quickly snapped closed around her, breaking off one of her spider-legs in the process. The stasis-locked Airachnid was taken back to [[Autobot Outpost Omega One|the Autobot base]]... leaving Megatron suddenly in control of Airachnid's former army. {{storylink|Armada (episode)|Armada}}

The Autobots stashed her in the same place they kept the Iacon relics. When new recruit [[Smokescreen (Prime)|Smokescreen]] was given a tour of the base by Jack, they walked past the spider bot's pod, and Jack warned him that she was not the kind they wanted to mess with. {{storylink|New Recruit}} Later, when Starscream used his [[Red Energon]] to infiltrate the Autobot base and steal the [[Omega Key]]s, he came across Airachnid. Seeing her predicament answered a few of Starscream's questions about her whereabouts. {{storylink|Inside Job}} Following the destruction of the Autobot base, {{storylink|Darkest Hour (episode)|Darkest Hour}} Airachnid's stasis pod was pulled from the wreckage by the Decepticons. {{storylink|Darkmount, NV}} Rather than free her, they placed her stasis pod in storage on the ''Nemesis'', where Smokescreen later stumbled on it while looking for the [[Forge of Solus Prime]]. {{storylink|Prey (episode)|Prey}}

[[File:Thirst-Airachnidzombie.jpg|thumb|right|300px|If you thought she was a vamp before...]]

Airachnid was finally freed when Cylas, having been infused with a mixture of Dark and Synthetic Energon, ripped open her stasis pod in an attempt to drink her energon. She managed to fight him off, terminating him in the process, and promptly retook control of the Insecticons on board the ''Nemesis''. She instructed them to destroy all of the Decepticons, however the group first encountered Soundwave, who used the space bridge to transport them all to one of Cybertron's moons. Having been infected by Cylas while fighting him (via a small scratch on her neck), Airachnid soon became an Energon-vampire herself. She then ordered the Insecticons to approach and serve their queen, as she drained their Energon. {{storylink|Thirst}}

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== Games ==
=== ''Transformers: Prime - The Game'' ===
[[Image:PrimeTheGameAirachnid.jpg|thumb|right|150px|You've faced my Insecticons and lived, but will you survive my tinier, weaker Insecticons?]]
{{voiceactor|[[Gina Torres]] (English)}}
Airachnid, ordered by Starscream to locate the Autobots who had fallen to Earth, found Arcee near a factory outside Jasper, Nevada. Her Insecticon troops were easily dispatched by Arcee. Airachnid then engaged Arcee herself. As Arcee prepared to terminate Airachnid, Jack arrived on the scene. Airachnid took advantage of Arcee's distraction, capturing Jack and flying away with him. Arcee pursued her, managing to free Jack before Airachnid escaped.

Later, Airachnid set a trap for Arcee when the latter infiltrated the ''Nemesis''. Airachnid took Arcee to the top of the ship to fight her once again. As before, Arcee emerged victorious. But before Arcee could finish Airachnid off, two Insecticons attacked. Airachnid fled while Arcee blasted the Insecticons.
{{storylink|Transformers: Prime - The Game}}

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==Toys==
===Prime===
[[Image:Primetoy-AirachnidRID.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Quite possibly does the meanest [[wikipedia:Robot (dance)|robot]] this side of the Milky Way.]]
[[Image:Primetoy-TakaraTomyDeluxeAirachnid.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Seems like quite a bit of effort and money just for a single, primitively-engineered chunk of plastic. And the Micron.]]
*'''Airachnid''' (Deluxe, 2012)
**''Series / number:'' '''1 / 012'''
**''Japanese release date'': '''[[August 25|8-25]]-2012'''
**''Japanese ID number'': '''AM-18'''
**''Accessories'': Rotor/Triple-bladed sword, two "electro-stingers" (Hasbro only), "Ida" Arms Micron (TakaraTomy only)

: Part of the fourth wave of ''[[Transformers: Prime (toyline)#Robots in Disguise (2012)|Prime: Robots in Disguise]]'' toys, Airachnid transforms into a stealth helicopter with an opening canopy. She comes with two "electro-stingers" which can [[5mm post|mount]] onto her open palms or onto the helicopter sides/her upper arms. These weapons each feature two pegs in two different locations and a peg-hole in-between, allowing the weapons to be mounted/held in different ways, while her rotors can also detach from her base and be used as a sword via a [[5mm post]], meaning all of her weapons can combine with each other to form a larger weapon.

:In robot mode, Airachnid has a ''severely'' limited range of [[articulation]]. Her head is unable to turn or tilt in any significant way due to her [[light-piping]] plastic being molded as the helicopter seat and being blocked by the surrounding cockpit, her hands cannot be swung down parallel to her panel arms due to a bit of the panel getting in the way, and while her legs ''were'' designed to have thigh [[Swivel joint|swivel]]s, her thigh panels and the helicopter kibble behind it block ''much'' of her leg articulation.

:Her [[stock photography]] depicts paint details on her legs and toes that were omitted on the final product.

:The [[TakaraTomy]] release, part of the sixth wave of Japanese ''[[Transformers: Prime (toyline)|Prime]]'' toys, omits some of her detail-based [[paint operation]]s, replacing them with customer-applied foil [[sticker]]s. (She even comes with an extra "spiderweb" sticker for you to stick wherever it amuses you to.) She has also been slightly [[retool]]ed, giving her a pair of rocket-thrusters just under her rotor blades. Each thruster has a 5mm post and hole as part of the line-wide [[Arms Micron]] [[gimmick]]. These additional post-holes actually make it pretty easy to [http://higekumatoytoy.blog60.fc2.com/blog-entry-1652.html re-create her "spider-lady" robot mode with an extra set of rotors], though the TakaraTomy version uses a darker purple plastic than the [[Hasbro]] version, meaning you need to buy two of ''either'' version unless you don't care about mismatched rotor colors. Instead of her electro-stingers, she comes with an [[Arms Micron]], [[Ida]], a spider that transforms into a bladed shield-weapon-thing.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Decepticon/Airachnid/airachnid.htm More information on ''Robots in Disguise'' Airachnid at TFU.info]''

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===Beast Hunters===
{{anchor|Cyberverse}}
[[Image:PrimeBeastHunterstoy-CyberverseAirachnid.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Surprisingly better articulated than her larger toy.]]
*'''Airachnid''' (Cyberverse Legion, 2013)
**''Series / number:'' '''3 / 003'''
**''Japanese ID number'': '''EG08'''
**''Accessories'': Nova Stinger Bow, rotor

: Part of the first wave of ''Prime: [[Beast Hunters]]'' [[Cyberverse]] Legion Class toys, this Airachnid is a smaller-scale toy. She features [[C joint|3mm port]]s for her hands, on her helicopter sides/robot shoulders, and one underneath her cockpit, which ends up behind and above her robot head.

:Her rotors can also detach from the base/her robot back, revealing another port, and allowing the rotors to mount elsewhere via 3mm post. She also comes with the "Nova Stinger Bow", a crossbow which has two 3mm ports and three posts, allowing it to mount/be mounted in different ways. This bow, in the same colors, was also used by [[Bumblebee (WFC)#BHCyberverse|Bumblebee]].

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==Notes==
* Airachnid's head design and largely black color scheme have heavy similarities to the Disney villain [[wikipedia:Maleficent|Maleficent]].
* Airachnid's alternate mode doesn't really make sense: Airachnid scanned Agent Fowler's Bell 212 Huey helicopter, but she somehow ended up with a stylized RAH-66 stealth helicopter alt mode.
* The existence of the name "Airachnid" was first revealed when Hasbro filed an intent-to-use [http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=77892423 trademark application] for the term with the US Trademark and Patent Office. However, the application was eventually denied for registration.<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/beast-wars-2/case-closed---goodbye-airachnid-170451/ "Case Closed – Goodbye Airachnid"]</ref>.
* Deluxe Airachnid's electro-stingers are modeled after the [[Null-ray#Prime_cartoon|null-ray]] Knock Out offered Starscream in "[[Shadowzone (episode)|Shadowzone]]."
* In the Japanese dub of ''Prime'', Airachnid's personality is completely different from her US interpretation. In the dub, she is a bubbly, giggling, high-strung chatterbox that is obsessed with collecting handsome boys as trophies. Played up as something of a female [[wikipedia:Pepé Le Pew|Pepe Le Pew]], she constantly swoons over Jack, calling him her "hunk," her "darling," her "cutie Jack-chan" and various other lovey-dovey remarks as she amorously pursues him (even going so far as to sing love songs to him, mid-chase). When she finally catches Jack near the end of "Predatory", she even proposes marriage to him.
* Also regarding the Japanese dub, Airachnid is played by [[Ryōka Yuzuki]], the actress who dubbed ''Beast Wars'' [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Black Widow]] and ''Animated'' [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]]. As such, many of the quirks she conceived for those characters (such as a habit of making a hissing ''tshaaa—'' noise) are present. Likewise, the constant, incessant talking seems to be a throwback to the "ad-libbing" prevalent in the Japanese dub of ''Beast Wars''. Whenever she fires her webbing, she shouts "Sticky-Sticky Attack!" (粘粘攻撃, ''nebaneba kougeki'').
*Airachnid's actually the ''second'' [[Britt|female vampire Decepticon with a helicopter altmode]].

===Arms Up Modes===
In the Japanese ''Prime'' toyline, Airachnid has named powered-up modes when given various [[Arms Micron]]s in certain configurations:

*'''Hunter Mode''' (ハンターモード ''Hantā Mōdo'')
**''Arms Microns'': Ida, Jida, Noji
: Seen on her box-back photo, this mode is simply Airachnid brandishing the [[Lunatic Chainsaw]] Super Combo Weapon. Wheeeeeeeeeee.

==References==
{{Reflist}}

[[Category:Cyberverse]]
[[Category:Female Transformers]]
[[Category:Prime Decepticons]]
[[Category:Transformers with three modes]]
[[Category:Vampires]]

Talk:Sentinel Prime (ROTF)

2011-07-14T19:39:11Z

Bobcat2022: /* 316 meaning? */

Do you have a quote of Sentinel being specifically mentioned in the comic? I don't remember anything past the uni scene. While the original thirteen were killed by the Fallen in the comic and novel, there's nothing to confirm Sentinel wasn't a descendant like Optimus. Again, correct me if I'm wrong[[User:Eire]] 20.14 Oct 12 09 (UTC)
:"See, if you break down the elemental components of energon and assume a constant decay rate then extrapolate for each of the fourteen galactic convergences it took '''''Sentinel Prime's''''' expedition to get an echo you end up with a formula for inter-dimensional energy that mass and light alone can't '''''possibly''''' explain." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:28, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
::Erm ok, thanks for the quote Starfield, anyway, Jetfire explained in the adaptations that The Fallen returned to Cybertron, after the battle with the first generation for Earth, slaughtering all the Primes except for the child hidden from him (Optimus). Unless Sentinel is revealed to be alive in TF3, which is unlikely considering this was not mentioned in the final edit of ROTF, then he probably died because of The Fallen. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 17:57, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Starfield, I actually wanted the answer Alientraveller gave. I'm well aware of Sentinel's existence in the movieverse, but I just couldn't remember a reference in issue 3 [[User:Eire]]

::"the fourteen galactic convergences it took '''the''' Sentinel Prime expedition to"
::"The", and no possessive.
::Look, '''I''' think it's the leader of the 7/12/13 too... but the phrasing in the movie itself (which I just checked on, er... Youtube) '''isn't''' clear-cut enough to even say for certain that Sentinel Prime is an individual-- let alone that he's one of the 12! The phrasing is just... ambiguous, and the timeline is a godawful mess thanks to ROTF's 17,000 years retcon, and questions of whether the 13 in the movie are '''the''' 13 or not. (They're not. I mean... the movie fucking cut them down to 7. But until something official comes through to make it certain... it's just a collosal brain-ache that makes logical inference almost impossible.)
::Now... I ''thought'' that something... (a book or video game?) mentioned movieverse Sentinel Prime in a clearer light, but if so... it was around the time we were swamped with new stuff, and the ref never got documented. Does this sound familiar to anyone else?
::I have checked the following sources, and they do '''not''' mention Sentinel Prime in a helpful manner:
::*ROTF novelization (quote same as movie, with an added bit at the end. Nothing from Jetfire's history lesson or the Infinite White.)
::*The Movie Universe guidebook. No mention of Sentinel Prime by name
::-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:59, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
:::The first time I heard Sentinel mentioned was in the movie. And the Sentinel Prime expedition. You'd be forgiven for presuming, and really there's no reason not too, it was named after the Prime in charge. And given the massively different origin of the Primes in the movie compared to the adaptations, it seems again logical that he's simple a predecessor of Optimus, not one of the original Primes. There is some assumptions being made, however they are logical assumptions. IF you're concerned, throw in a note at the bottom. Personally, I think it's a bit of an assumption that Sentinel in the comics is one of the original Primes, but I can see why AT put it the way he did [[User:Eire]] 13.35 Oct 13 09 (UTC)

== Fannon ==

I'm '''really''' uncomfortable witht he ammoutn of assumptions and made-up shit on this page. The cited blog post ''does'' establish Sentinel Prime to be a character-- but it doesn't ''in any way'' say he's Prime and Megatron's father, or that he's one of the original 12. And the storylink citing his death... Sentinel Prime's name isn't even MENTIONED in that issue! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:37, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
:I'm just going to risk my life here and say "Is this Shattered Glass Derik speaking?" --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:51, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

== Move to (DOTM)? ==

Should we move this to "Sentinel Prime (DOTM)"? We moved "Soundwave (Movie)" to [[Soundwave (ROTF)]], ignoring when he was mentioned by Starscream in the UK magazine for the first film. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 15:03, 11 February 2011 (EST)
:An offhand mention in the freaking UK mag letters page is not exactly the same thing as Sentinel's existence being firmly established in the Revenge of the Fallen film. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:18, 11 February 2011 (EST)
::The Lord Of All Cheeses thirds the motion.
::- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 10:25 PM, 15 February 2011 A.D.
:::Thirds what motion? We have one person on each side so far. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 01:42, 16 February 2011 (EST)
::::I'm saying this page ought to be moved. '''Alientraveler''' proposed the idea. '''Detour''' seems to be saying this guy shouldn't be in ROTF (unless I misinterpreted; he seems to say "a mention in a UK comic's letters page doesn't count as Sentinel's existence in ROTF"). '''My vote''' makes a three.
::::- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 9:48 PM, February 2011 A.D.
:::::Detour is pointing out that Sentinel Prime is mentioned in the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' film, which counts as establishing SP's existence, so ROTF is correct. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:59, 17 February 2011 (EST)
::::::http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/Semysane/Response%20Images/748411.gif -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:59, 18 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::Sam mentions Sentinel Prime during his meltdown in the classroom in ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', thus establishing Sentinel Prime exists as a character. As the first mention of Sentinel Prime is in ''Revenge of the Fallen'', his article is as "Sentinel Prime (ROTF)". Clearer? :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:13, 18 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::Oh, I got it. I just never get enough chances to use that image. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:33, 18 February 2011 (EST)
:I get that it's established wiki policy to always go with the earliest whatever, but it's very confusing to all but the most hardcore and observant RotF viewers and wiki editors (sorry for the redundancy there). In DotM he was the major plot-driving character voiced by an actor with decades of Transformers association; in RotF he was about a syllable and a half of incoherent mumbling. Unlike Arcee in the first movie franchise, S.P. didn't even get a toy in RotF. For the sake of clarity and the casual browser, might his entry be attached to the film in which he actually appears? Is there perhaps a more general title, even, to indicate immediately that this article fully encompasses the one singular character throughout the Bay films' continuity family? [[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 23:02, 10 July 2011 (EDT)
::I think a simple redirect solves all problems. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:02, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

== Sentinel~Vector? ==

Is it my imagination, or does Sentinel Prime bear a striking resemblence to Vector Prime?--[[User:Cydra|Cydra]] 01:48, 13 February 2011 (EST)
:Definitely your imagination. [[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 05:49, 18 February 2011 (EST)
::I see the resemblance mostly in those enormous shoulders. Beyond that, not really much of a resemblance. --[[User:Kaymac192|Kaymac192]] 11:35, 3 March 2011 (EST)
::: Indeed. He more resembles RID Prime. [[Special:Contributions/96.247.85.33|96.247.85.33]] 00:16, 22 March 2011 (EDT)

== Sentinel Prime in Empire magazine. ==

How should we mention [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/375241-sentinel-optimus-uk-empire-cover.html these images?] --[[User:Kaymac192|Kaymac192]] 11:42, 3 March 2011 (EST)

== Caption ==

Live-action Hyper Goldfish? WTF is that?--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 13:51, 6 March 2011 (EST)
:The Japanese version of Optimus Prime (RID) had a voice chip that sounded to some people as if it were saying "Hyper Goldfish Golfball". The Leader class Sentinel Prime looks something like the RID Prime, and is from a live action movie. Thus, Live-action Hyper Goldfish. I would recommend a crosslink in the caption, but some people hate those with an unreasoning passion. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:00, 6 March 2011 (EST)
::Much thanks for the clarification. The RiD Optimus Prime page doesn't even mention the background you so helpfully supply. Is there some sort of award for most obscure caption reference on the site? [[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 23:08, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

== Alpha Trion caption ==

How does it not work anymore?--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 13:15, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
:Personally, I don't see why it ever worked in the first place. --[[Special:Contributions/81.164.209.246|81.164.209.246]] 13:24, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
::It never did, no. It was never an Alpha Trion homage redeco. It was just heavily-airbrushed enough to look purpleish. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:25, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
:::I think that was the joke (such as it was) that there's "already" an Alpha Trion redeco due to the purple nature of the image, which, at the time, was the only stock photo of that toy. Anyway, I replaced the photo because the colours were pretty damn wrong. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:35, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== Two different Speed Stars Bumbebee two packs ==

Hey, why are there two slightly different Bumblebee Speed Stars two packs. [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/shop/details.cfm?R=69D4438D-5056-900B-1000-7E6F6EA5EAE9:en_US Item 29596] and [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/shop/details.cfm?R=6EDC5079-5056-900B-10F1-6428DAB7F112:en_US item 29588]? The package art is even slightly different. Both should be listed, right? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:41, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== Three sayings on the Leader toy? ==

Er... there must be something I'm doing wrong, then.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 02:05, 18 May 2011 (EDT)
:You have to put a MechTach weapon in his shoulder peg hole to hear them.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 16:12, 19 May 2011 (EDT)
::Just tried it out and it's apparently true. Still, I'm pretty sure the article should mention that little feature and how to ''enable'' it... [[Special:Contributions/58.69.69.194|58.69.69.194]] 21:43, 21 May 2011 (EDT)

== Minor design flaw? ==

On mine, it looks like the left heel pieces don't seem to line up correctly, and as such don't snap together right. Is anyone else having this issue? -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 11:07, 23 May 2011 (EDT)

== We need to make this a featured. ==

Any way we could come together and finish his fiction sections and whatnot? I think it's important this page is our featured this coming month, like The Fallen was for the last movie. I'm pretty okay with just promoting it anyway once July starts, even if there's some stuff left out. It just needs a spotlight. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:05, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

== Spoilers on Sentinel. ==

Okay, I haven't seen the movie yet, but I have seen spoilers, and there is one question I have that could seriously spoil for anyone, so be warned: <span style="background:black;"> Should we consider Sentinel a Decepticon?</span> -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 15:58, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
: No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:01, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
::<span style="background:black;">My memory may be fuzzy, but doesn't he call himself a Decepticon once they take over Chicago? Or does he keep calling himself an Autobot?</span>[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 17:13, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
:::<span style="background:black;">Sentinel makes a point of slapping Megatron around when he tries talking like they're all a happy family, so...no.</span>[[User:ShinRa Actual|ShinRa Actual]] 18:05, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
::::I've noticed this news actually spread on this site already (Shockwave's page pretty much blows it). Should we remove instances that we see so not to spoil the film just yet [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 10:11, 1 July 2011 (EDT)
Sentinel Prime wouldn't be the first Autobot to make a deal with the devil. {{unsigned|Dragonspike74}}

== Caption request ==

When we start adding screenshots from the movie, can one of them use <span style="background:black;">"This is the one where Spock goes crazy."</span>?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 13:14, 1 July 2011 (EDT)
:"Goes nuts." And once the movie's been seen by more people, maybe in a week or two, that quote is TOTALLY going up at the top of the DOTM film article, same place as last movie's "I will have my revenge!" It sums up the movie pretty much the best. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:17, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

== Jerk ==

Could we mention (perhaps in a caption) that as a turncoat, this actully makes him a bigger jerk than his Animated counterpart, which I thought was impossible.[[User:Burnout|Burnout]] 17:39, 2 July 2011 (EDT)
:That joke was tired two years ago.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 21:08, 4 July 2011 (EDT)
Hey, I thought he was BIG jerk too.(Never seen the movie though.)
Maybe Sentinel(TFA) wanted to get revenge on Optimus(TFA).
So, he decided to get a role on Dark of the Moon.
His audition was successful. All he needed to do was change his alternate mode to make sure nobody knew it was him.
When the moment was right he could get revenge on Optimus(For stealing his fifteen stellar cycles of fame).
However,on set he was killed. And it was caught on film!
Let's just say there is more than meets the eye with Sentinel.

== Back Kibble ==
What exactly are those things? I swear in parts of the movie, they wiggled as if some kind of flexible cape or tank-treads.. what part of the vehicle do they correspond to?
:On the Leader Class toy, the kibble hanging off his back in robot mode (which, I agree, looks like a cape of some kind) becomes the side panels of his vehicle mode. [[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 22:42, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

I've plugged in a mechtech weapon on the back Sentinel's head. He looks a little funny with Barricade's weapon sticking up. {{unsigned|Dragonspike74}}

== About the Genesis Caption... ==

I don't get it...can anyone explain?[[User:Kaine852|Kaine852]] 00:29, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
:It's a line from Mr. Spock in Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan. Spock was played by Leonard Nimoy, who voiced Sentinel Prime. I'm more curious about why it's used on two different images. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:44, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

== 316 meaning? ==
Is there a particular meaning or significance to the number 316 on SP's vehicle mode? Seems lately like anything of that sort on a TF is an in-joke or reference (Wal-Mart "84" DotM Bumblebee, anyone?). I'm in the dark on this one, though. -- [[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 23:46, 10 July 2011 (EDT)
:[[wikipedia: John 3:16]] Stone Cold used to reference it back in the 90s, etc. [[User:ShinRa Actual|ShinRa Actual]] 20:06, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
::While that is a meaning for 316, I'm not sure if it is relevant here. Do you really think that the person who designed Sentinel Prime's deco was thinking of that when the number was selected? He or she could have meant it that way, but I'd like official confirmation.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:13, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
::You're right; John 3:16 may be the most widely known association for the number, but it doesn't seem to fit here. It's not a biblical verse that's particularly relevant to the story of this Sentinel Prime... If they were going for biblical references I'd expect something about a deal with the devil or about the ends justifying the means, something related to the DotM plot. Unless it's known that the designer(s) for SP is/are devout Christians/big pro wrestling fans? A Steve Austin joke is fine for a caption, but as yet the connection seems a bit tenuous for the wiki proper. -- [[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 15:39, 14 July 2011 (EDT)

Sentinel Prime (ROTF)

2011-07-11T05:12:45Z

Bobcat2022: /* Notes */ referenced and linked to Rosenbauer's page on its fire truck being featured in DotM

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:''Sentinel Prime is an [[Autobot]] from the [[live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:SentinelPrimeDOTMpromo.jpg|300px|thumb|What does Spock need with a starship?]]

'''Sentinel Prime''' hails from an older time, when [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] was the galaxy's crown jewel, and the [[Transformer]] race was full of promise and potential. The only known remaining [[Prime (rank)|Prime]], he personified what a leader should be: wise, compassionate, and a more than worthy warrior. Revered by both Autobot and Decepticon, few would dare stand against his shield and [[Primax Blade]].

But when Sentinel was presumably lost forever on board the [[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]], [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], his hand-picked successor, was left to fill his void. The loss of Sentinel signaled the end of Cybertron's golden age, and the planet spiraled deeper into war. Some who recall Sentinel's reign bitterly remember when Transformers were masters of their fate, rather than scattered to the stars and living as exiles.

==Fiction==
===IDW live-action film comics===
[[Image:Foundation1-SentinelPrimeaword.jpg|left|thumb|225px|"That word is ''fart''."]]
Sentinel Prime was a direct descendant of the first Cybertronian, [[Primus]], and was believed to be the last of the [[Prime (rank)|Primes]]. He told tales to his much younger Cybertronian brethren of how the [[Dynasty of Primes]] had called upon a legendary artifact, the star-powered [[AllSpark]], to give life to their world. But the AllSpark had been lost to history, and their world had tumbled through the cosmos without a star to orbit for eons. Sentinel Prime had plans to rectify this, and he gathered followers who believed in his path to a new age of life on Cybertron. With the help of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]], [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], and their legions, they searched the planet for the legendary artifact and a way to power it. However, there were the [[Thetacon (tribe)|Thetacons]], a tribe of separatist Transformers who disbelieved in Sentinel Prime's vision, and warred against him and his followers. This conflict ended when, with the help of [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack]], a sun to orbit was brought to Cybertron, and the AllSpark discovered and energized.

[[Image:Foundation1 freedom.jpg|right|225px|thumb|]]

Though Sentinel Prime had finally returned the forgotten concept of "freedom" back to Cybertron, he felt he no longer had a part in its path to the future. He was old and tired, and spoke in confidence to Optimus, believing that young Autobot was also part of the Prime lineage and requesting that he take on the mantle of leadership. Though Optimus was too humble to accept, not believing Sentinel's claims about his heritage, Megatron overheard their conversation and became jealous of his "brother." {{storylink|Foundation issue 1|Foundation #1}} Sentinel formulated another plan for Cybertron's future: it would be governed by Optimus's [[Science Division]] and Megatron's [[Defense Force]]. By having Optimus investigate the remains of the Primes' civilization, it would encourage him to believe in his lineage. {{storylink|Foundation issue 2|Foundation #2}}

Alas, after two generations of successful shared leadership, Megatron fell under the sway of [[The Fallen]], and reshaped his Defense Force as the [[Decepticon]]s, declaring war on Cybertron. Sentinel Prime was at the archaeological dig in Simfur when the first strike took place, and was quick to opt for a technique of self-preservation, rather than attempting to save the Science Division's work. Optimus soon arrived to fend the Decepticons off, and revealed that his studies had proven the truth of Sentinel's words: he was indeed a descendant of the Primes. He did not believe that this made him a born leader, but Sentinel impressed upon Optimus the necessity that he take up command of the [[Autobot]]s, that Cybertron might be saved from Megatron's destructive ambitions.

[[Image:Foundation3 sentinels torch.jpg|left|thumb|"Jim... I am, and forever shall be, your friend."]]

As time passed, and the war rolled on with no signs of stopping, Sentinel invented a mysterious "torch" that he promised would end the war. {{storylink|Foundation issue 3|Foundation #3}} The torch had to be brought into contact with the AllSpark to be activated, so the Autobots launched an attack on the Simfur temple to carry out this action while Sentinel stood by with a spacecraft, the [[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]], to await delivery of the active torch. [[Elita-One (Movie)|Elita One]] soon returned with the torch, at which point Sentinel instructed Wheeljack to take the [[Ark (Movie)|second Ark]] and collect the remaining Autobots from [[Tyger Pax]], while he himself headed to Simfur to collect Optimus's forces. Upon arrival at Simfur, however, Sentinel's Ark was attacked by [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], and was consumed by a huge explosion, leaving all present to believe it, Sentinel, and all aboard had been destroyed. {{storylink|Foundation issue 4|Foundation #4}}

In actuality, Sentinel's Ark had not been vaporized as believed: it had been teleported away by the [[space bridge]] technology it was outfitted with. With all hands knocked into stasis by the explosion, the ship automatically jinked through space and time on a series of random space bridge jumps, until at last, its sensors locked on to the energy of the AllSpark, which had since been ejected from Cybertron and had crash-landed on the planet [[Earth]]. On its penultimate jump, the Ark crossed paths with the Decepticon ship ''[[Nemesis (ROTF)|Nemesis]]'', which had departed Cybertron just as the war was beginning, and was now also following the AllSpark's trail. The Ark materialized from its jump into the same physical space as the ''Nemesis'', crippling both ships beyond repair; the Ark made one final bridge jump, reappearing in the immediate vicinity of Earth in 1962, where it crashed violently onto Earth's [[moon (moon)|Moon]]. All the Autobots aboard perished save for Sentinel himself, who was in the crash vault and remained slumbering in stasis. {{storylink|Convergence chapter 1|Convergence chapter 1}}
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===''Revenge of the Fallen'' film===
When [[Sam Witwicky]] launched into a rambling lecture on the nature of space and time while in a trance brought on by the knowledge of the AllSpark entering his mind, he recalled Sentinel Prime's "expedition" to find Cybertron a new sun, commenting that it took "fourteen galactic convergences" to get an echo. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

===Titan Magazines ''Dark of the Moon'' prequels===

Sentinel is a direct descendant of [[Primus]], the first Cybertronian, and one of the last surviving Primes. With a firm but just hand, he ruled the Autobots before the war. During the war, he named Optimus his successor before departing on a mission into deep space, only for his ship to be shot down by enemy fire...

But his Ark merely crashed somewhere near Earth in 1962, a fragment of it landing in Fiesole, [[Italy]]. When a human discovered it in 2011, [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] and [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] tried to prevent the Autobots from getting that fragment and finding their way to the lost Ark. The Autobots finding Sentinel was ''not'' an option for Starscream and the concept unnerved him, while an ominous narrator told us the fragment had the power to make martyrs of the good and bad alike... {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 3.1|Fight for Fiesole}}

===''Dark of the Moon'' film===
:''Voice actor'': [[Leonard Nimoy]] (English), [[Arturo Casanova]] (Latin American Spanish)
{{spoiler|Dark of the Moon (film)|July 29, 2011}}

{{bigquote|So lost are you, Optimus. On Cybertron we were gods. And here... here they call us "machines."}}

Long ago, during the war on Cybertron, a heated battle erupted around the [[Ark (DOTM)|''Ark'']], a shuttle commandeered by Sentinel Prime and a small crew, which carried a special, secret cargo that Sentinel claimed would end the war. However, the shuttle was hit in battle, disappeared, and presumed lost forever. In [[1962]], the ''Ark'' hit [[Earth]]'s [[moon (moon)|moon]], crashing there, and its impact was detected by [[NASA]]. This event inspired the [[United States of America]]'s eventual first trip to the moon in [[1969]], which was secretly an attempt to inspect the crashed alien ship. Though NASA astronauts would make a handful of trips to the moon in the next few years, none would stumble upon the ''Ark''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> crash vault, which contained Sentinel Prime's comatose body and a small fraction of his secret cargo.

In order for Sentinal to be revived, the Decepticons wanted the Autobots, and particularly Optimus Prime, to discover Sentinel's existence on the moon. The United States government had classified the moon missions' real purpose, even from the Autobots, and so information was leaked through a human associate of [[Laserbeak (DOTM)|Laserbeak]] to Col. [[William Lennox]]. Optimus Prime and a [[NEST]] team traveled to the ruins of [[Chernobyl]] where Optimus located and identified a piece of technology from the missing ''Ark''. After retrieving the ''Ark'' piece, he confronted the US government for hiding this information from him, and subsequently traveled to the moon with [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] to find and retrieve Sentinel Prime.

With Sentinel Prime's comatose body returned successfully to NEST's headquarters, along with five "pillars," Optimus Prime used his [[Matrix of Leadership]] to return Sentinel Prime to operational status. Disoriented, Sentinel attacked Optimus, pushing him to the ground and shoving his [[Primax blade|blade]] near his face, and after some worried protests from Optimus, Sentinel finally realized his surroundings and disengaged. Optimus tried to further console his predecessor with news that they had also recovered the five pillars that were in the crash vault with him, but Sentinel grew further frustrated, as there should have been hundreds of them. Sentinel explained that the pillars were the anchors of a new [[space bridge]] technology that he had intended to use to bring resources back to Cybertron to replenish it. National Security Director [[Charlotte Mearing]] did not like this idea at all, and announced her intent to take possession of these pillars, as they could be used to bring an army to Earth to destroy it. Sentinel did not like being condescended to by the human. The technology was his, and the humans had no right to it.

[[Image:DOTM-SentinelOptimusMatrix.jpg|left|thumb|300px|'''Sentinel''': Optimus Prime, you must understand that the needs of the many outweigh that of the few. <br> '''Optimus''': Sentinel, why are you copying Spock from ''Star Trek''? <br> '''Sentinel''': Uhhhhm, no reason, Optimus...]]

Optimus gave Sentinel a tour of Earth, culminating in a view of a sunset. Sentinel marveled at the beauty and the liveliness of the planet as it reminded him of Cybertron in its prime. Optimus took this moment to offer Sentinel back the Matrix of Leadership, believing Sentinel to deserve it more. But Sentinel refused it, as Sentinel was only more experienced long ago on Cybertron, while this new world of Earth was unfamiliar to him.

The Autobots' young human ally, [[Sam Witwicky]] found evidence that led him to believe that the Decepticons possessed the the missing pillars and would be coming after Sentinel Prime since they needed him to activate the technology. In an attempt to shield Sentinel from the Decepticons, several Autobots escorted Sentinel Prime back to NEST headquarters. [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] and the others successfully fended off a [[Dread (subgroup)|team of Decepticons]], but once Sentinel reached their destination, he unveiled a terrible truth. He had been secretly (and reluctantly) working with Megatron for centuries, and the space bridge was technology Sentinel had created so that he and the Decepticons could bring Earth's resources back to Cybertron so that they could rebuild their dead homeworld. But as both Megatron and Sentinel Prime had ended up in stasis for centuries, this secret plan had gone waylaid... until now, after the Decepticons and their human allies had conspired to lead Optimus Prime to the moon where he could retrieve and revive his predecessor for them.

Sentinel punctuated his bombshell by shooting Ironhide in the back repeatedly with his [[cosmic rust]] weapon. As Ironhide crumbled away, Sentinel fired at Bumblebee as well, though the scout was able to dodge his blasts. Sentinel dove into NEST headquarters, tore the place apart, and retrieved the five remaining pillars from the compound's vault. As Megatron arrived in truck mode from his exile in [[Africa]], Sentinel Prime set up a small space bridge portal on the Reflecting Pool facing the [[Lincoln Memorial]]. As troops hidden on the Moon began to burst through the portal and scan local vehicle forms, Optimus Prime interrupted Sentinel's work with an angry tackle. Optimus demanded an explanation for Sentinel's betrayal, and Sentinel responded that Optimus never had the resolve to make the tough choices, and that Earth must be sacrificed for Cybertron to be reborn. Sentinel left Optimus to stew in his anger, telling his former protege that he was lucky Sentinel left him alive.

Speaking to the [[United Nations]], Sentinel demanded that the "Autobot rebels" be expelled from Earth and that he and the Decepticons be able to take what resources from Earth they required. The humans had no choice but to agree, and the [[Xantium (DOTM)|''Xantium'']] was launched with Earth's remaining 11 Autobots inside... though [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] was waiting in orbit to blast the shuttle to bits, and the Autobots were seemingly destroyed.

Decepticons around the world began positioning the pillars precisely according to Sentinel's instructions as the first brunt of the Decepticons' assault began in [[Chicago]]. Sentinel had chosen a tall, domed building in Chicago's downtown as the focal point of the space bridge. Megatron joined him on the roof of this building, and the Decepticon leader began to glow about their partnership. Sentinel, however, felt his partner was getting too chummy, and violently reminded Megatron of his place. Sentinel did not work ''for'' Megatron, Megatron worked for ''Sentinel''. Megatron was shoved off the building into the street below.

Sentinel and the Decepticons succeeded in occupying Chicago, but the Autobots, who had managed to survive their apparent destruction through subterfuge, arrived in the city to take it back and destroy the space bridge technology. Sentinel activated the space bridge, and a large portal opened in space above Earth, through which the massive planet Cybertron began to travel. After defeating most of the Decepticon forces, the Autobots caught Sentinel Prime's attention, and their former leader descended from his building perch to battle Optimus Prime. After a prolonged fight, and the removal of one of Optimus's arms, it became obvious that Sentinel was the more powerful of the two.

Before Sentinel could deliver the killing blow, however, he came under attack by Megatron, who had been goaded into action by Sam's girlfriend [[Carly Spencer]]. Megatron realized how far he had fallen in power within the past few years, and had decided to once again take his rightful place at the top of the command chain. Sentinel was taken by surprise and amassed critical damage. Though this action by Megatron saved Optimus's life, the Autobot leader refused Megatron's offer of a truce and killed his seemingly eternal foe, leaving Optimus and Sentinel alone once more. Finally Sentinel seemed to understand how far he himself had also fallen, and apologized for betraying the Autobots. Optimus countered that Sentinel had more importantly betrayed himself and his professed ideals, and as his former mentor cried for mercy, Optimus executed Sentinel Prime with Megatron's gun.

Optimus Prime threw down the weapon in disgust. {{storylink|Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}

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==Toys==
===Dark of the Moon===
====Cyberverse====
[[Image:DOTM_CyberverseCommander_SentinelPrime_toy.jpg|thumb|300px|Prime 3:16!]]
*'''Sentinel Prime''' (Cyberverse Commander, 2011)
**''Series''
**''Number:''
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''CV05'''
**''Accessories:'' Primax blade, shield

:Sentinel Prime is in the first wave of [[Dark of the Moon (toyline)|''Dark of the Moon'']] ''[[Cyberverse]]'' Commander Class toys. He transforms from a Rosenbauer Panther 6x6 airport fire truck to robot and back.

:On some (early?) Sentinels, the Rosenbauer logo on the right side of the truck is reversed.
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*'''Dark Sentinel Prime''' (Cyberverse Commander, 2011)
**''Series''
**''Number:''
**''Japanese ID number:''
**''Accessories:'' Primax blade, shield

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====Voyager Class toys====
[[Image:DOTMtoy-SentinelPrimeVoyager.jpg|right|thumb|300px|There's no fire? There ''will'' be!]]
*'''Sentinel Prime''' (MechTech Voyager, 2011)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''DA20'''
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Boom Lift/[[Fusion Cannon]]

:Sentinel Prime is in the third wave of ''Dark of the Moon'' ''[[MechTech]]'' Voyagers. He converts from a Rosenbauer Panther 6x6 airport fire truck to robot and back. With the pull of a lever, his vehicle mode water cannon becomes a MechTech weapon.

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====Leader Class toys====
[[Image:DOTMtoy-SentinelPrimeMechtechLeader.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Live-action hyper goldfish!]]
*'''Sentinel Prime''' (MechTech Leader, 2011)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''DA02'''
**''Accessories:'' Primax Blade, MechTech Shield/Bladed Blaster

:[[MechTech]] Leader Class Sentinel Prime converts from a Rosenbauer Panther 6x6 airport fire truck to robot and back! In vehicle mode, he features a rotating, extending firefighting boom arm, a small flip-up nozzle on the front fender, and siren lights and sounds, activated by a small grey button on the roof of the cabin. Sentinel's double-bladed Primax Blade stores underneath the grey panels forming the roof of much of the vehicle, while the MechTech shield is stored under the truck. There are two [[5mm post]] hole MechTech ports in this mode; the one on the right hand side of the vehicle has a button inside, that when pushed in (by plugging in a MechTech weapon), activates a weapon sound effect. Removing the MechTech weapon activates a transformation sound effect. A Stealth Force-style attack vehicle mode can be formed by opening panels on the rearward sides of the vehicle to expose hidden weapons and two more MechTech ports, activating the MechTech Shield's Bladed Blaster mode (by pressing the large panel on it marked by the [[Cyberglyphics]]) and attaching that to the vehicle MechTech ports, and clipping the Primax Blade's handle into the two tabs on top of the Shield/Bladed Blaster's turret.

:In robot mode, when the button on Sentinel Prime's chest is pushed, his eyes light up, his chin moves and he says "I am Sentinel Prime!" Two more phrases, "Good to see you alive, Optimus." and "What has happened to the [[AllSpark]]?" are heard when a weapon is inserted into the MechTech port with the button inside of it and the chest button pushed. Unfortunately, the [[Canada|Canadian]] release only says "Sentinel Prime" because of language laws. The siren lights and sounds can still be activated by pressing the grey button back and to the left of Sentinel Prime's head.

:In this mode, Sentinel has four more 5mm MechTech ports: one each on either shoulder and one each on either forearm. If that's still not enough, the screw holes under his wrists can accommodate 5mm weapons as well, for a total of eight weapons beyond those included with the figure. The Primax Blade and Shield can both be held via their respective handles in either of Sentinel's articulated hands; the shield can also be plugged into the MechTech port in Sentinel's forearms.

:The Japanese release comes packed with a character card and an accompanying transparent plastic card of his MechTech weapon for the MechTech Wars online game.
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==Merchandise==
===Speed Stars===
====Mini Changers====
[[Image:SpeedStars_StealthForce_MiniChangers_Bumblebee&SentinelPrime.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Stealth Force Bumblebee & Sentinel Prime''' (2011)

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[[Image:SpeedStars_StealthForce_MiniChangers_Sideswipe&SentinelPrime.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Stealth Force Sideswipe & Sentinel Prime''' (2011)

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==Notes==
[[Image:DOTM-SentinelPrimetrailer.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Jim, you left me on Genesis. Why did you do that?]]

{{quote|Sentinel Prime is great. He's great...I can't tell you anything else, other than he's great.|Michael Bay<ref>[http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1657670/michael-bay-transformers-dark-of-the-moon.jhtml Interview at MTV]</ref>}}

*In an early draft of ''[[Transformers (2007)|Transformers]]'', time stops as [[Sam Witwicky]] falls down the building [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] smashed, and Sentinel appears to him via the [[AllSpark]]. Sentinel would've clarified the history of the war and the relationship between Optimus and Megatron (when the writers intended them to be siblings) and given him a clue to defeating Megatron with the Cube.<ref>[http://badflipblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/tf1-amblin.html Blog post] from [[Ken Christiansen]].</ref>

*Call sheets for ''Dark of the Moon'' referred to Sentinel Prime as '''Ultra Magnus'''.<ref>[http://tilallaremine.wordpress.com/2011/07/01/dark-of-the-moon-call-sheets/ Dark of the Moon Call Sheets! at Til All Are Mine blog.]</ref><ref>[http://www.joshnizzi.com/TF3.htm joshnizzi.com]</ref>

*In the debut trailer for the film ''[[Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]'', Sentinel Prime is seen in a gold and silver color scheme. This shot was redone for the movie proper, and he consistently appears red throughout the film.

*The Rosenbauer Panther fire truck cast as Sentinel Prime was entirely repainted specifically for the film, at a cost of thousands of dollars; real-world aircraft fire-fighting vehicles are required by FAA regulations to have a much lighter color scheme.<ref>[http://www.rosenbaueramerica.com/press/2011/06/rosenbauer-panther-6x6-to-be-f/ Rosenbauer America press release, June 28, 2011]</ref>

*In ''Dark of the Moon'', Sentinel Prime says "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." Leonard Nimoy said the same line in the 1982 film ''[[Wikipedia:Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan|Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan]]'' as [[Spock]], in one of several Star Trek references in the movie.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Sentinel Prime''' (センチネル・プライム ''Senchineru Puraimu'')

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Cyberverse]]
[[Category:Dark of the Moon Autobots]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen Autobots]]

Sentinel Prime (ROTF)

2011-07-11T05:03:55Z

Bobcat2022: /* Dark of the Moon film */ operational "stasis"? Changed to "status"

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:''Sentinel Prime is an [[Autobot]] from the [[live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:SentinelPrimeDOTMpromo.jpg|300px|thumb|What does Spock need with a starship?]]

'''Sentinel Prime''' hails from an older time, when [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] was the galaxy's crown jewel, and the [[Transformer]] race was full of promise and potential. The only known remaining [[Prime (rank)|Prime]], he personified what a leader should be: wise, compassionate, and a more than worthy warrior. Revered by both Autobot and Decepticon, few would dare stand against his shield and [[Primax Blade]].

But when Sentinel was presumably lost forever on board the [[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]], [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], his hand-picked successor, was left to fill his void. The loss of Sentinel signaled the end of Cybertron's golden age, and the planet spiraled deeper into war. Some who recall Sentinel's reign bitterly remember when Transformers were masters of their fate, rather than scattered to the stars and living as exiles.

==Fiction==
===IDW live-action film comics===
[[Image:Foundation1-SentinelPrimeaword.jpg|left|thumb|225px|"That word is ''fart''."]]
Sentinel Prime was a direct descendant of the first Cybertronian, [[Primus]], and was believed to be the last of the [[Prime (rank)|Primes]]. He told tales to his much younger Cybertronian brethren of how the [[Dynasty of Primes]] had called upon a legendary artifact, the star-powered [[AllSpark]], to give life to their world. But the AllSpark had been lost to history, and their world had tumbled through the cosmos without a star to orbit for eons. Sentinel Prime had plans to rectify this, and he gathered followers who believed in his path to a new age of life on Cybertron. With the help of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]], [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], and their legions, they searched the planet for the legendary artifact and a way to power it. However, there were the [[Thetacon (tribe)|Thetacons]], a tribe of separatist Transformers who disbelieved in Sentinel Prime's vision, and warred against him and his followers. This conflict ended when, with the help of [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack]], a sun to orbit was brought to Cybertron, and the AllSpark discovered and energized.

[[Image:Foundation1 freedom.jpg|right|225px|thumb|]]

Though Sentinel Prime had finally returned the forgotten concept of "freedom" back to Cybertron, he felt he no longer had a part in its path to the future. He was old and tired, and spoke in confidence to Optimus, believing that young Autobot was also part of the Prime lineage and requesting that he take on the mantle of leadership. Though Optimus was too humble to accept, not believing Sentinel's claims about his heritage, Megatron overheard their conversation and became jealous of his "brother." {{storylink|Foundation issue 1|Foundation #1}} Sentinel formulated another plan for Cybertron's future: it would be governed by Optimus's [[Science Division]] and Megatron's [[Defense Force]]. By having Optimus investigate the remains of the Primes' civilization, it would encourage him to believe in his lineage. {{storylink|Foundation issue 2|Foundation #2}}

Alas, after two generations of successful shared leadership, Megatron fell under the sway of [[The Fallen]], and reshaped his Defense Force as the [[Decepticon]]s, declaring war on Cybertron. Sentinel Prime was at the archaeological dig in Simfur when the first strike took place, and was quick to opt for a technique of self-preservation, rather than attempting to save the Science Division's work. Optimus soon arrived to fend the Decepticons off, and revealed that his studies had proven the truth of Sentinel's words: he was indeed a descendant of the Primes. He did not believe that this made him a born leader, but Sentinel impressed upon Optimus the necessity that he take up command of the [[Autobot]]s, that Cybertron might be saved from Megatron's destructive ambitions.

[[Image:Foundation3 sentinels torch.jpg|left|thumb|"Jim... I am, and forever shall be, your friend."]]

As time passed, and the war rolled on with no signs of stopping, Sentinel invented a mysterious "torch" that he promised would end the war. {{storylink|Foundation issue 3|Foundation #3}} The torch had to be brought into contact with the AllSpark to be activated, so the Autobots launched an attack on the Simfur temple to carry out this action while Sentinel stood by with a spacecraft, the [[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]], to await delivery of the active torch. [[Elita-One (Movie)|Elita One]] soon returned with the torch, at which point Sentinel instructed Wheeljack to take the [[Ark (Movie)|second Ark]] and collect the remaining Autobots from [[Tyger Pax]], while he himself headed to Simfur to collect Optimus's forces. Upon arrival at Simfur, however, Sentinel's Ark was attacked by [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], and was consumed by a huge explosion, leaving all present to believe it, Sentinel, and all aboard had been destroyed. {{storylink|Foundation issue 4|Foundation #4}}

In actuality, Sentinel's Ark had not been vaporized as believed: it had been teleported away by the [[space bridge]] technology it was outfitted with. With all hands knocked into stasis by the explosion, the ship automatically jinked through space and time on a series of random space bridge jumps, until at last, its sensors locked on to the energy of the AllSpark, which had since been ejected from Cybertron and had crash-landed on the planet [[Earth]]. On its penultimate jump, the Ark crossed paths with the Decepticon ship ''[[Nemesis (ROTF)|Nemesis]]'', which had departed Cybertron just as the war was beginning, and was now also following the AllSpark's trail. The Ark materialized from its jump into the same physical space as the ''Nemesis'', crippling both ships beyond repair; the Ark made one final bridge jump, reappearing in the immediate vicinity of Earth in 1962, where it crashed violently onto Earth's [[moon (moon)|Moon]]. All the Autobots aboard perished save for Sentinel himself, who was in the crash vault and remained slumbering in stasis. {{storylink|Convergence chapter 1|Convergence chapter 1}}
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===''Revenge of the Fallen'' film===
When [[Sam Witwicky]] launched into a rambling lecture on the nature of space and time while in a trance brought on by the knowledge of the AllSpark entering his mind, he recalled Sentinel Prime's "expedition" to find Cybertron a new sun, commenting that it took "fourteen galactic convergences" to get an echo. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

===Titan Magazines ''Dark of the Moon'' prequels===

Sentinel is a direct descendant of [[Primus]], the first Cybertronian, and one of the last surviving Primes. With a firm but just hand, he ruled the Autobots before the war. During the war, he named Optimus his successor before departing on a mission into deep space, only for his ship to be shot down by enemy fire...

But his Ark merely crashed somewhere near Earth in 1962, a fragment of it landing in Fiesole, [[Italy]]. When a human discovered it in 2011, [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] and [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] tried to prevent the Autobots from getting that fragment and finding their way to the lost Ark. The Autobots finding Sentinel was ''not'' an option for Starscream and the concept unnerved him, while an ominous narrator told us the fragment had the power to make martyrs of the good and bad alike... {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 3.1|Fight for Fiesole}}

===''Dark of the Moon'' film===
:''Voice actor'': [[Leonard Nimoy]] (English), [[Arturo Casanova]] (Latin American Spanish)
{{spoiler|Dark of the Moon (film)|July 29, 2011}}

{{bigquote|So lost are you, Optimus. On Cybertron we were gods. And here... here they call us "machines."}}

Long ago, during the war on Cybertron, a heated battle erupted around the [[Ark (DOTM)|''Ark'']], a shuttle commandeered by Sentinel Prime and a small crew, which carried a special, secret cargo that Sentinel claimed would end the war. However, the shuttle was hit in battle, disappeared, and presumed lost forever. In [[1962]], the ''Ark'' hit [[Earth]]'s [[moon (moon)|moon]], crashing there, and its impact was detected by [[NASA]]. This event inspired the [[United States of America]]'s eventual first trip to the moon in [[1969]], which was secretly an attempt to inspect the crashed alien ship. Though NASA astronauts would make a handful of trips to the moon in the next few years, none would stumble upon the ''Ark''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> crash vault, which contained Sentinel Prime's comatose body and a small fraction of his secret cargo.

In order for Sentinal to be revived, the Decepticons wanted the Autobots, and particularly Optimus Prime, to discover Sentinel's existence on the moon. The United States government had classified the moon missions' real purpose, even from the Autobots, and so information was leaked through a human associate of [[Laserbeak (DOTM)|Laserbeak]] to Col. [[William Lennox]]. Optimus Prime and a [[NEST]] team traveled to the ruins of [[Chernobyl]] where Optimus located and identified a piece of technology from the missing ''Ark''. After retrieving the ''Ark'' piece, he confronted the US government for hiding this information from him, and subsequently traveled to the moon with [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] to find and retrieve Sentinel Prime.

With Sentinel Prime's comatose body returned successfully to NEST's headquarters, along with five "pillars," Optimus Prime used his [[Matrix of Leadership]] to return Sentinel Prime to operational status. Disoriented, Sentinel attacked Optimus, pushing him to the ground and shoving his [[Primax blade|blade]] near his face, and after some worried protests from Optimus, Sentinel finally realized his surroundings and disengaged. Optimus tried to further console his predecessor with news that they had also recovered the five pillars that were in the crash vault with him, but Sentinel grew further frustrated, as there should have been hundreds of them. Sentinel explained that the pillars were the anchors of a new [[space bridge]] technology that he had intended to use to bring resources back to Cybertron to replenish it. National Security Director [[Charlotte Mearing]] did not like this idea at all, and announced her intent to take possession of these pillars, as they could be used to bring an army to Earth to destroy it. Sentinel did not like being condescended to by the human. The technology was his, and the humans had no right to it.

[[Image:DOTM-SentinelOptimusMatrix.jpg|left|thumb|300px|'''Sentinel''': Optimus Prime, you must understand that the needs of the many outweigh that of the few. <br> '''Optimus''': Sentinel, why are you copying Spock from ''Star Trek''? <br> '''Sentinel''': Uhhhhm, no reason, Optimus...]]

Optimus gave Sentinel a tour of Earth, culminating in a view of a sunset. Sentinel marveled at the beauty and the liveliness of the planet as it reminded him of Cybertron in its prime. Optimus took this moment to offer Sentinel back the Matrix of Leadership, believing Sentinel to deserve it more. But Sentinel refused it, as Sentinel was only more experienced long ago on Cybertron, while this new world of Earth was unfamiliar to him.

The Autobots' young human ally, [[Sam Witwicky]] found evidence that led him to believe that the Decepticons possessed the the missing pillars and would be coming after Sentinel Prime since they needed him to activate the technology. In an attempt to shield Sentinel from the Decepticons, several Autobots escorted Sentinel Prime back to NEST headquarters. [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] and the others successfully fended off a [[Dread (subgroup)|team of Decepticons]], but once Sentinel reached their destination, he unveiled a terrible truth. He had been secretly (and reluctantly) working with Megatron for centuries, and the space bridge was technology Sentinel had created so that he and the Decepticons could bring Earth's resources back to Cybertron so that they could rebuild their dead homeworld. But as both Megatron and Sentinel Prime had ended up in stasis for centuries, this secret plan had gone waylaid... until now, after the Decepticons and their human allies had conspired to lead Optimus Prime to the moon where he could retrieve and revive his predecessor for them.

Sentinel punctuated his bombshell by shooting Ironhide in the back repeatedly with his [[cosmic rust]] weapon. As Ironhide crumbled away, Sentinel fired at Bumblebee as well, though the scout was able to dodge his blasts. Sentinel dove into NEST headquarters, tore the place apart, and retrieved the five remaining pillars from the compound's vault. As Megatron arrived in truck mode from his exile in [[Africa]], Sentinel Prime set up a small space bridge portal on the Reflecting Pool facing the [[Lincoln Memorial]]. As troops hidden on the Moon began to burst through the portal and scan local vehicle forms, Optimus Prime interrupted Sentinel's work with an angry tackle. Optimus demanded an explanation for Sentinel's betrayal, and Sentinel responded that Optimus never had the resolve to make the tough choices, and that Earth must be sacrificed for Cybertron to be reborn. Sentinel left Optimus to stew in his anger, telling his former protege that he was lucky Sentinel left him alive.

Speaking to the [[United Nations]], Sentinel demanded that the "Autobot rebels" be expelled from Earth and that he and the Decepticons be able to take what resources from Earth they required. The humans had no choice but to agree, and the [[Xantium (DOTM)|''Xantium'']] was launched with Earth's remaining 11 Autobots inside... though [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] was waiting in orbit to blast the shuttle to bits, and the Autobots were seemingly destroyed.

Decepticons around the world began positioning the pillars precisely according to Sentinel's instructions as the first brunt of the Decepticons' assault began in [[Chicago]]. Sentinel had chosen a tall, domed building in Chicago's downtown as the focal point of the space bridge. Megatron joined him on the roof of this building, and the Decepticon leader began to glow about their partnership. Sentinel, however, felt his partner was getting too chummy, and violently reminded Megatron of his place. Sentinel did not work ''for'' Megatron, Megatron worked for ''Sentinel''. Megatron was shoved off the building into the street below.

Sentinel and the Decepticons succeeded in occupying Chicago, but the Autobots, who had managed to survive their apparent destruction through subterfuge, arrived in the city to take it back and destroy the space bridge technology. Sentinel activated the space bridge, and a large portal opened in space above Earth, through which the massive planet Cybertron began to travel. After defeating most of the Decepticon forces, the Autobots caught Sentinel Prime's attention, and their former leader descended from his building perch to battle Optimus Prime. After a prolonged fight, and the removal of one of Optimus's arms, it became obvious that Sentinel was the more powerful of the two.

Before Sentinel could deliver the killing blow, however, he came under attack by Megatron, who had been goaded into action by Sam's girlfriend [[Carly Spencer]]. Megatron realized how far he had fallen in power within the past few years, and had decided to once again take his rightful place at the top of the command chain. Sentinel was taken by surprise and amassed critical damage. Though this action by Megatron saved Optimus's life, the Autobot leader refused Megatron's offer of a truce and killed his seemingly eternal foe, leaving Optimus and Sentinel alone once more. Finally Sentinel seemed to understand how far he himself had also fallen, and apologized for betraying the Autobots. Optimus countered that Sentinel had more importantly betrayed himself and his professed ideals, and as his former mentor cried for mercy, Optimus executed him with Megatron's gun.

Optimus Prime threw down the weapon in disgust.
{{storylink|Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}

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==Toys==
===Dark of the Moon===
====Cyberverse====
[[Image:DOTM_CyberverseCommander_SentinelPrime_toy.jpg|thumb|300px|Prime 3:16!]]
*'''Sentinel Prime''' (Cyberverse Commander, 2011)
**''Series''
**''Number:''
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''CV05'''
**''Accessories:'' Primax blade, shield

:Sentinel Prime is in the first wave of [[Dark of the Moon (toyline)|''Dark of the Moon'']] ''[[Cyberverse]]'' Commander Class toys. He transforms from a Rosenbauer Panther 6x6 airport fire truck to robot and back.

:On some (early?) Sentinels, the Rosenbauer logo on the right side of the truck is reversed.
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*'''Dark Sentinel Prime''' (Cyberverse Commander, 2011)
**''Series''
**''Number:''
**''Japanese ID number:''
**''Accessories:'' Primax blade, shield

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====Voyager Class toys====
[[Image:DOTMtoy-SentinelPrimeVoyager.jpg|right|thumb|300px|There's no fire? There ''will'' be!]]
*'''Sentinel Prime''' (MechTech Voyager, 2011)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''DA20'''
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Boom Lift/[[Fusion Cannon]]

:Sentinel Prime is in the third wave of ''Dark of the Moon'' ''[[MechTech]]'' Voyagers. He converts from a Rosenbauer Panther 6x6 airport fire truck to robot and back. With the pull of a lever, his vehicle mode water cannon becomes a MechTech weapon.

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====Leader Class toys====
[[Image:DOTMtoy-SentinelPrimeMechtechLeader.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Live-action hyper goldfish!]]
*'''Sentinel Prime''' (MechTech Leader, 2011)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''DA02'''
**''Accessories:'' Primax Blade, MechTech Shield/Bladed Blaster

:[[MechTech]] Leader Class Sentinel Prime converts from a Rosenbauer Panther 6x6 airport fire truck to robot and back! In vehicle mode, he features a rotating, extending firefighting boom arm, a small flip-up nozzle on the front fender, and siren lights and sounds, activated by a small grey button on the roof of the cabin. Sentinel's double-bladed Primax Blade stores underneath the grey panels forming the roof of much of the vehicle, while the MechTech shield is stored under the truck. There are two [[5mm post]] hole MechTech ports in this mode; the one on the right hand side of the vehicle has a button inside, that when pushed in (by plugging in a MechTech weapon), activates a weapon sound effect. Removing the MechTech weapon activates a transformation sound effect. A Stealth Force-style attack vehicle mode can be formed by opening panels on the rearward sides of the vehicle to expose hidden weapons and two more MechTech ports, activating the MechTech Shield's Bladed Blaster mode (by pressing the large panel on it marked by the [[Cyberglyphics]]) and attaching that to the vehicle MechTech ports, and clipping the Primax Blade's handle into the two tabs on top of the Shield/Bladed Blaster's turret.

:In robot mode, when the button on Sentinel Prime's chest is pushed, his eyes light up, his chin moves and he says "I am Sentinel Prime!" Two more phrases, "Good to see you alive, Optimus." and "What has happened to the [[AllSpark]]?" are heard when a weapon is inserted into the MechTech port with the button inside of it and the chest button pushed. Unfortunately, the [[Canada|Canadian]] release only says "Sentinel Prime" because of language laws. The siren lights and sounds can still be activated by pressing the grey button back and to the left of Sentinel Prime's head.

:In this mode, Sentinel has four more 5mm MechTech ports: one each on either shoulder and one each on either forearm. If that's still not enough, the screw holes under his wrists can accommodate 5mm weapons as well, for a total of eight weapons beyond those included with the figure. The Primax Blade and Shield can both be held via their respective handles in either of Sentinel's articulated hands; the shield can also be plugged into the MechTech port in Sentinel's forearms.

:The Japanese release comes packed with a character card and an accompanying transparent plastic card of his MechTech weapon for the MechTech Wars online game.
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==Merchandise==
===Speed Stars===
====Mini Changers====
[[Image:SpeedStars_StealthForce_MiniChangers_Bumblebee&SentinelPrime.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Stealth Force Bumblebee & Sentinel Prime''' (2011)

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[[Image:SpeedStars_StealthForce_MiniChangers_Sideswipe&SentinelPrime.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Stealth Force Sideswipe & Sentinel Prime''' (2011)

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==Notes==
[[Image:DOTM-SentinelPrimetrailer.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Jim, you left me on Genesis. Why did you do that?]]

{{quote|Sentinel Prime is great. He's great...I can't tell you anything else, other than he's great.|Michael Bay<ref>[http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1657670/michael-bay-transformers-dark-of-the-moon.jhtml Interview at MTV]</ref>}}

*In an early draft of ''[[Transformers (2007)|Transformers]]'', time stops as [[Sam Witwicky]] falls down the building [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] smashed, and Sentinel appears to him via the [[AllSpark]]. Sentinel would've clarified the history of the war and the relationship between Optimus and Megatron (when the writers intended them to be siblings) and given him a clue to defeating Megatron with the Cube.<ref>[http://badflipblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/tf1-amblin.html Blog post] from [[Ken Christiansen]].</ref>

*Call sheets for ''Dark of the Moon'' referred to Sentinel Prime as '''Ultra Magnus'''.<ref>[http://tilallaremine.wordpress.com/2011/07/01/dark-of-the-moon-call-sheets/ Dark of the Moon Call Sheets! at Til All Are Mine blog.]</ref><ref>[http://www.joshnizzi.com/TF3.htm joshnizzi.com]</ref>

*In the debut trailer for the film ''[[Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]'', Sentinel Prime is seen in a gold and silver color scheme. This shot was redone for the movie proper, and he consistently appears red throughout the film.

*In ''Dark of the Moon'', Sentinel Prime says "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." Leonard Nimoy said the same line in the 1982 film ''[[Wikipedia:Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan|Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan]]'' as [[Spock]], in one of several Star Trek references in the movie.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Sentinel Prime''' (センチネル・プライム ''Senchineru Puraimu'')

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Cyberverse]]
[[Category:Dark of the Moon Autobots]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen Autobots]]

Sentinel Prime (ROTF)

2011-07-11T05:02:14Z

Bobcat2022: /* Titan Magazines Dark of the Moon prequels */ removed " (wait so who was in charge before then??)", which question I don't understand and which might be better placed on the Discussion page

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:''Sentinel Prime is an [[Autobot]] from the [[live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:SentinelPrimeDOTMpromo.jpg|300px|thumb|What does Spock need with a starship?]]

'''Sentinel Prime''' hails from an older time, when [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] was the galaxy's crown jewel, and the [[Transformer]] race was full of promise and potential. The only known remaining [[Prime (rank)|Prime]], he personified what a leader should be: wise, compassionate, and a more than worthy warrior. Revered by both Autobot and Decepticon, few would dare stand against his shield and [[Primax Blade]].

But when Sentinel was presumably lost forever on board the [[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]], [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], his hand-picked successor, was left to fill his void. The loss of Sentinel signaled the end of Cybertron's golden age, and the planet spiraled deeper into war. Some who recall Sentinel's reign bitterly remember when Transformers were masters of their fate, rather than scattered to the stars and living as exiles.

==Fiction==
===IDW live-action film comics===
[[Image:Foundation1-SentinelPrimeaword.jpg|left|thumb|225px|"That word is ''fart''."]]
Sentinel Prime was a direct descendant of the first Cybertronian, [[Primus]], and was believed to be the last of the [[Prime (rank)|Primes]]. He told tales to his much younger Cybertronian brethren of how the [[Dynasty of Primes]] had called upon a legendary artifact, the star-powered [[AllSpark]], to give life to their world. But the AllSpark had been lost to history, and their world had tumbled through the cosmos without a star to orbit for eons. Sentinel Prime had plans to rectify this, and he gathered followers who believed in his path to a new age of life on Cybertron. With the help of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]], [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], and their legions, they searched the planet for the legendary artifact and a way to power it. However, there were the [[Thetacon (tribe)|Thetacons]], a tribe of separatist Transformers who disbelieved in Sentinel Prime's vision, and warred against him and his followers. This conflict ended when, with the help of [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack]], a sun to orbit was brought to Cybertron, and the AllSpark discovered and energized.

[[Image:Foundation1 freedom.jpg|right|225px|thumb|]]

Though Sentinel Prime had finally returned the forgotten concept of "freedom" back to Cybertron, he felt he no longer had a part in its path to the future. He was old and tired, and spoke in confidence to Optimus, believing that young Autobot was also part of the Prime lineage and requesting that he take on the mantle of leadership. Though Optimus was too humble to accept, not believing Sentinel's claims about his heritage, Megatron overheard their conversation and became jealous of his "brother." {{storylink|Foundation issue 1|Foundation #1}} Sentinel formulated another plan for Cybertron's future: it would be governed by Optimus's [[Science Division]] and Megatron's [[Defense Force]]. By having Optimus investigate the remains of the Primes' civilization, it would encourage him to believe in his lineage. {{storylink|Foundation issue 2|Foundation #2}}

Alas, after two generations of successful shared leadership, Megatron fell under the sway of [[The Fallen]], and reshaped his Defense Force as the [[Decepticon]]s, declaring war on Cybertron. Sentinel Prime was at the archaeological dig in Simfur when the first strike took place, and was quick to opt for a technique of self-preservation, rather than attempting to save the Science Division's work. Optimus soon arrived to fend the Decepticons off, and revealed that his studies had proven the truth of Sentinel's words: he was indeed a descendant of the Primes. He did not believe that this made him a born leader, but Sentinel impressed upon Optimus the necessity that he take up command of the [[Autobot]]s, that Cybertron might be saved from Megatron's destructive ambitions.

[[Image:Foundation3 sentinels torch.jpg|left|thumb|"Jim... I am, and forever shall be, your friend."]]

As time passed, and the war rolled on with no signs of stopping, Sentinel invented a mysterious "torch" that he promised would end the war. {{storylink|Foundation issue 3|Foundation #3}} The torch had to be brought into contact with the AllSpark to be activated, so the Autobots launched an attack on the Simfur temple to carry out this action while Sentinel stood by with a spacecraft, the [[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]], to await delivery of the active torch. [[Elita-One (Movie)|Elita One]] soon returned with the torch, at which point Sentinel instructed Wheeljack to take the [[Ark (Movie)|second Ark]] and collect the remaining Autobots from [[Tyger Pax]], while he himself headed to Simfur to collect Optimus's forces. Upon arrival at Simfur, however, Sentinel's Ark was attacked by [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], and was consumed by a huge explosion, leaving all present to believe it, Sentinel, and all aboard had been destroyed. {{storylink|Foundation issue 4|Foundation #4}}

In actuality, Sentinel's Ark had not been vaporized as believed: it had been teleported away by the [[space bridge]] technology it was outfitted with. With all hands knocked into stasis by the explosion, the ship automatically jinked through space and time on a series of random space bridge jumps, until at last, its sensors locked on to the energy of the AllSpark, which had since been ejected from Cybertron and had crash-landed on the planet [[Earth]]. On its penultimate jump, the Ark crossed paths with the Decepticon ship ''[[Nemesis (ROTF)|Nemesis]]'', which had departed Cybertron just as the war was beginning, and was now also following the AllSpark's trail. The Ark materialized from its jump into the same physical space as the ''Nemesis'', crippling both ships beyond repair; the Ark made one final bridge jump, reappearing in the immediate vicinity of Earth in 1962, where it crashed violently onto Earth's [[moon (moon)|Moon]]. All the Autobots aboard perished save for Sentinel himself, who was in the crash vault and remained slumbering in stasis. {{storylink|Convergence chapter 1|Convergence chapter 1}}
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===''Revenge of the Fallen'' film===
When [[Sam Witwicky]] launched into a rambling lecture on the nature of space and time while in a trance brought on by the knowledge of the AllSpark entering his mind, he recalled Sentinel Prime's "expedition" to find Cybertron a new sun, commenting that it took "fourteen galactic convergences" to get an echo. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

===Titan Magazines ''Dark of the Moon'' prequels===

Sentinel is a direct descendant of [[Primus]], the first Cybertronian, and one of the last surviving Primes. With a firm but just hand, he ruled the Autobots before the war. During the war, he named Optimus his successor before departing on a mission into deep space, only for his ship to be shot down by enemy fire...

But his Ark merely crashed somewhere near Earth in 1962, a fragment of it landing in Fiesole, [[Italy]]. When a human discovered it in 2011, [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] and [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] tried to prevent the Autobots from getting that fragment and finding their way to the lost Ark. The Autobots finding Sentinel was ''not'' an option for Starscream and the concept unnerved him, while an ominous narrator told us the fragment had the power to make martyrs of the good and bad alike... {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 3.1|Fight for Fiesole}}

===''Dark of the Moon'' film===
:''Voice actor'': [[Leonard Nimoy]] (English), [[Arturo Casanova]] (Latin American Spanish)
{{spoiler|Dark of the Moon (film)|July 29, 2011}}

{{bigquote|So lost are you, Optimus. On Cybertron we were gods. And here... here they call us "machines."}}

Long ago, during the war on Cybertron, a heated battle erupted around the [[Ark (DOTM)|''Ark'']], a shuttle commandeered by Sentinel Prime and a small crew, which carried a special, secret cargo that Sentinel claimed would end the war. However, the shuttle was hit in battle, disappeared, and presumed lost forever. In [[1962]], the ''Ark'' hit [[Earth]]'s [[moon (moon)|moon]], crashing there, and its impact was detected by [[NASA]]. This event inspired the [[United States of America]]'s eventual first trip to the moon in [[1969]], which was secretly an attempt to inspect the crashed alien ship. Though NASA astronauts would make a handful of trips to the moon in the next few years, none would stumble upon the ''Ark''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> crash vault, which contained Sentinel Prime's comatose body and a small fraction of his secret cargo.

In order for Sentinal to be revived, the Decepticons wanted the Autobots, and particularly Optimus Prime, to discover Sentinel's existence on the moon. The United States government had classified the moon missions' real purpose, even from the Autobots, and so information was leaked through a human associate of [[Laserbeak (DOTM)|Laserbeak]] to Col. [[William Lennox]]. Optimus Prime and a [[NEST]] team traveled to the ruins of [[Chernobyl]] where Optimus located and identified a piece of technology from the missing ''Ark''. After retrieving the ''Ark'' piece, he confronted the US government for hiding this information from him, and subsequently traveled to the moon with [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] to find and retrieve Sentinel Prime.

With Sentinel Prime's comatose body returned successfully to NEST's headquarters, along with five "pillars," Optimus Prime used his [[Matrix of Leadership]] to return Sentinel Prime to operational stasis. Disoriented, Sentinel attacked Optimus, pushing him to the ground and shoving his [[Primax blade|blade]] near his face, and after some worried protests from Optimus, Sentinel finally realized his surroundings and disengaged. Optimus tried to further console his predecessor with news that they had also recovered the five pillars that were in the crash vault with him, but Sentinel grew further frustrated, as there should have been hundreds of them. Sentinel explained that the pillars were the anchors of a new [[space bridge]] technology that he had intended to use to bring resources back to Cybertron to replenish it. National Security Director [[Charlotte Mearing]] did not like this idea at all, and announced her intent to take possession of these pillars, as they could be used to bring an army to Earth to destroy it. Sentinel did not like being condescended to by the human. The technology was his, and the humans had no right to it.

[[Image:DOTM-SentinelOptimusMatrix.jpg|left|thumb|300px|'''Sentinel''': Optimus Prime, you must understand that the needs of the many outweigh that of the few. <br> '''Optimus''': Sentinel, why are you copying Spock from ''Star Trek''? <br> '''Sentinel''': Uhhhhm, no reason, Optimus...]]

Optimus gave Sentinel a tour of Earth, culminating in a view of a sunset. Sentinel marveled at the beauty and the liveliness of the planet as it reminded him of Cybertron in its prime. Optimus took this moment to offer Sentinel back the Matrix of Leadership, believing Sentinel to deserve it more. But Sentinel refused it, as Sentinel was only more experienced long ago on Cybertron, while this new world of Earth was unfamiliar to him.

The Autobots' young human ally, [[Sam Witwicky]] found evidence that led him to believe that the Decepticons possessed the the missing pillars and would be coming after Sentinel Prime since they needed him to activate the technology. In an attempt to shield Sentinel from the Decepticons, several Autobots escorted Sentinel Prime back to NEST headquarters. [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] and the others successfully fended off a [[Dread (subgroup)|team of Decepticons]], but once Sentinel reached their destination, he unveiled a terrible truth. He had been secretly (and reluctantly) working with Megatron for centuries, and the space bridge was technology Sentinel had created so that he and the Decepticons could bring Earth's resources back to Cybertron so that they could rebuild their dead homeworld. But as both Megatron and Sentinel Prime had ended up in stasis for centuries, this secret plan had gone waylaid... until now, after the Decepticons and their human allies had conspired to lead Optimus Prime to the moon where he could retrieve and revive his predecessor for them.

Sentinel punctuated his bombshell by shooting Ironhide in the back repeatedly with his [[cosmic rust]] weapon. As Ironhide crumbled away, Sentinel fired at Bumblebee as well, though the scout was able to dodge his blasts. Sentinel dove into NEST headquarters, tore the place apart, and retrieved the five remaining pillars from the compound's vault. As Megatron arrived in truck mode from his exile in [[Africa]], Sentinel Prime set up a small space bridge portal on the Reflecting Pool facing the [[Lincoln Memorial]]. As troops hidden on the Moon began to burst through the portal and scan local vehicle forms, Optimus Prime interrupted Sentinel's work with an angry tackle. Optimus demanded an explanation for Sentinel's betrayal, and Sentinel responded that Optimus never had the resolve to make the tough choices, and that Earth must be sacrificed for Cybertron to be reborn. Sentinel left Optimus to stew in his anger, telling his former protege that he was lucky Sentinel left him alive.

Speaking to the [[United Nations]], Sentinel demanded that the "Autobot rebels" be expelled from Earth and that he and the Decepticons be able to take what resources from Earth they required. The humans had no choice but to agree, and the [[Xantium (DOTM)|''Xantium'']] was launched with Earth's remaining 11 Autobots inside... though [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] was waiting in orbit to blast the shuttle to bits, and the Autobots were seemingly destroyed.

Decepticons around the world began positioning the pillars precisely according to Sentinel's instructions as the first brunt of the Decepticons' assault began in [[Chicago]]. Sentinel had chosen a tall, domed building in Chicago's downtown as the focal point of the space bridge. Megatron joined him on the roof of this building, and the Decepticon leader began to glow about their partnership. Sentinel, however, felt his partner was getting too chummy, and violently reminded Megatron of his place. Sentinel did not work ''for'' Megatron, Megatron worked for ''Sentinel''. Megatron was shoved off the building into the street below.

Sentinel and the Decepticons succeeded in occupying Chicago, but the Autobots, who had managed to survive their apparent destruction through subterfuge, arrived in the city to take it back and destroy the space bridge technology. Sentinel activated the space bridge, and a large portal opened in space above Earth, through which the massive planet Cybertron began to travel. After defeating most of the Decepticon forces, the Autobots caught Sentinel Prime's attention, and their former leader descended from his building perch to battle Optimus Prime. After a prolonged fight, and the removal of one of Optimus's arms, it became obvious that Sentinel was the more powerful of the two.

Before Sentinel could deliver the killing blow, however, he came under attack by Megatron, who had been goaded into action by Sam's girlfriend [[Carly Spencer]]. Megatron realized how far he had fallen in power within the past few years, and had decided to once again take his rightful place at the top of the command chain. Sentinel was taken by surprise and amassed critical damage. Though this action by Megatron saved Optimus's life, the Autobot leader refused Megatron's offer of a truce and killed his seemingly eternal foe, leaving Optimus and Sentinel alone once more. Finally Sentinel seemed to understand how far he himself had also fallen, and apologized for betraying the Autobots. Optimus countered that Sentinel had more importantly betrayed himself and his professed ideals, and as his former mentor cried for mercy, Optimus executed him with Megatron's gun.

Optimus Prime threw down the weapon in disgust.
{{storylink|Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}

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==Toys==
===Dark of the Moon===
====Cyberverse====
[[Image:DOTM_CyberverseCommander_SentinelPrime_toy.jpg|thumb|300px|Prime 3:16!]]
*'''Sentinel Prime''' (Cyberverse Commander, 2011)
**''Series''
**''Number:''
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''CV05'''
**''Accessories:'' Primax blade, shield

:Sentinel Prime is in the first wave of [[Dark of the Moon (toyline)|''Dark of the Moon'']] ''[[Cyberverse]]'' Commander Class toys. He transforms from a Rosenbauer Panther 6x6 airport fire truck to robot and back.

:On some (early?) Sentinels, the Rosenbauer logo on the right side of the truck is reversed.
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*'''Dark Sentinel Prime''' (Cyberverse Commander, 2011)
**''Series''
**''Number:''
**''Japanese ID number:''
**''Accessories:'' Primax blade, shield

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====Voyager Class toys====
[[Image:DOTMtoy-SentinelPrimeVoyager.jpg|right|thumb|300px|There's no fire? There ''will'' be!]]
*'''Sentinel Prime''' (MechTech Voyager, 2011)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''DA20'''
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Boom Lift/[[Fusion Cannon]]

:Sentinel Prime is in the third wave of ''Dark of the Moon'' ''[[MechTech]]'' Voyagers. He converts from a Rosenbauer Panther 6x6 airport fire truck to robot and back. With the pull of a lever, his vehicle mode water cannon becomes a MechTech weapon.

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====Leader Class toys====
[[Image:DOTMtoy-SentinelPrimeMechtechLeader.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Live-action hyper goldfish!]]
*'''Sentinel Prime''' (MechTech Leader, 2011)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''DA02'''
**''Accessories:'' Primax Blade, MechTech Shield/Bladed Blaster

:[[MechTech]] Leader Class Sentinel Prime converts from a Rosenbauer Panther 6x6 airport fire truck to robot and back! In vehicle mode, he features a rotating, extending firefighting boom arm, a small flip-up nozzle on the front fender, and siren lights and sounds, activated by a small grey button on the roof of the cabin. Sentinel's double-bladed Primax Blade stores underneath the grey panels forming the roof of much of the vehicle, while the MechTech shield is stored under the truck. There are two [[5mm post]] hole MechTech ports in this mode; the one on the right hand side of the vehicle has a button inside, that when pushed in (by plugging in a MechTech weapon), activates a weapon sound effect. Removing the MechTech weapon activates a transformation sound effect. A Stealth Force-style attack vehicle mode can be formed by opening panels on the rearward sides of the vehicle to expose hidden weapons and two more MechTech ports, activating the MechTech Shield's Bladed Blaster mode (by pressing the large panel on it marked by the [[Cyberglyphics]]) and attaching that to the vehicle MechTech ports, and clipping the Primax Blade's handle into the two tabs on top of the Shield/Bladed Blaster's turret.

:In robot mode, when the button on Sentinel Prime's chest is pushed, his eyes light up, his chin moves and he says "I am Sentinel Prime!" Two more phrases, "Good to see you alive, Optimus." and "What has happened to the [[AllSpark]]?" are heard when a weapon is inserted into the MechTech port with the button inside of it and the chest button pushed. Unfortunately, the [[Canada|Canadian]] release only says "Sentinel Prime" because of language laws. The siren lights and sounds can still be activated by pressing the grey button back and to the left of Sentinel Prime's head.

:In this mode, Sentinel has four more 5mm MechTech ports: one each on either shoulder and one each on either forearm. If that's still not enough, the screw holes under his wrists can accommodate 5mm weapons as well, for a total of eight weapons beyond those included with the figure. The Primax Blade and Shield can both be held via their respective handles in either of Sentinel's articulated hands; the shield can also be plugged into the MechTech port in Sentinel's forearms.

:The Japanese release comes packed with a character card and an accompanying transparent plastic card of his MechTech weapon for the MechTech Wars online game.
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==Merchandise==
===Speed Stars===
====Mini Changers====
[[Image:SpeedStars_StealthForce_MiniChangers_Bumblebee&SentinelPrime.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Stealth Force Bumblebee & Sentinel Prime''' (2011)

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[[Image:SpeedStars_StealthForce_MiniChangers_Sideswipe&SentinelPrime.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Stealth Force Sideswipe & Sentinel Prime''' (2011)

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==Notes==
[[Image:DOTM-SentinelPrimetrailer.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Jim, you left me on Genesis. Why did you do that?]]

{{quote|Sentinel Prime is great. He's great...I can't tell you anything else, other than he's great.|Michael Bay<ref>[http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1657670/michael-bay-transformers-dark-of-the-moon.jhtml Interview at MTV]</ref>}}

*In an early draft of ''[[Transformers (2007)|Transformers]]'', time stops as [[Sam Witwicky]] falls down the building [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] smashed, and Sentinel appears to him via the [[AllSpark]]. Sentinel would've clarified the history of the war and the relationship between Optimus and Megatron (when the writers intended them to be siblings) and given him a clue to defeating Megatron with the Cube.<ref>[http://badflipblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/tf1-amblin.html Blog post] from [[Ken Christiansen]].</ref>

*Call sheets for ''Dark of the Moon'' referred to Sentinel Prime as '''Ultra Magnus'''.<ref>[http://tilallaremine.wordpress.com/2011/07/01/dark-of-the-moon-call-sheets/ Dark of the Moon Call Sheets! at Til All Are Mine blog.]</ref><ref>[http://www.joshnizzi.com/TF3.htm joshnizzi.com]</ref>

*In the debut trailer for the film ''[[Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]'', Sentinel Prime is seen in a gold and silver color scheme. This shot was redone for the movie proper, and he consistently appears red throughout the film.

*In ''Dark of the Moon'', Sentinel Prime says "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." Leonard Nimoy said the same line in the 1982 film ''[[Wikipedia:Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan|Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan]]'' as [[Spock]], in one of several Star Trek references in the movie.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Sentinel Prime''' (センチネル・プライム ''Senchineru Puraimu'')

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Cyberverse]]
[[Category:Dark of the Moon Autobots]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen Autobots]]

Wheeljack (Movie)

2011-07-11T03:49:27Z

Bobcat2022: /* Notes */

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{{disambig3|Wheeljack}}
:''Wheeljack is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] continuity family. He is sometimes referred to as '''Que'''.''
[[Image:DOTM trailer wheeljack.jpg|right|thumb|300px|With this look and those guns, he could give [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] a run for his money.]]
'''Wheeljack''' will hook you up with all the latest stuff. He resembles a certain famous [[Albert Einstein|scientist]] too!

==Fiction==
===IDW ''Dark of the Moon'' prequel comics===
[[Image: Foundation1_wheeljack.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Yeah, but what you have done for us ''lately''?]]
Thousands of years ago on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Wheeljack was one of [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]]'s followers. He was a crucial figure in the culmination of Sentinel Prime's plan to save the dying planet: While Sentinel's other pupils held off an attack by the heretic [[Thetacon (tribe)|Thetacons]], Wheeljack's technical skills went to work creating a device that, once linked to the AllSpark, warped time and space, teleporting a sun into Cybertronian space. The sun's energy revitalized the [[AllSpark]], bringing life and energy back to Cybertron, and Wheeljack calmly remarked that, wouldn't you know it, it seemed they'd only gone and saved the world. {{storylink|Foundation issue 1|Foundation #1}} Soon after, Wheeljack stood by Sentinel Prime's side when he addressed the collective populace of the planet on [[Unification Day]], announcing the new direction for the revitalized Cybertron. The world was to be governed by a [[Science Division]] led by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]], and a [[Defense Force]] under [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]'s command; naturally, Wheeljack elected to join the former.{{storylink|Foundation issue 2|Foundation #2}}

Years later, Wheeljack was with Sentinel Prime and [[Elita-One (Movie)|Elita-One]] at one of the division's archaeological digs when they came under attack from Megatron's forces, which he had rechristened "[[Decepticon]]s" with the intent of seizing control of the planet. Optimus—now Optimus ''Prime''—rallied those who opposed Megatron under him as the [[Autobot]]s, Wheeljack included. {{storylink|Foundation issue 3|Foundation #3}}

As the war worsened, Sentinel Prime presented the Autobots with a mysterious "torch" he had invented that would somehow end the war. An Autobot strike team under Optimus assault [[Simfur]] in order to activate the torch by bringing it into contact with the AllSpark, while Wheeljack stayed by Sentinel's side, awaiting its return and preparing to depart aboard the two great [[Ark (disambiguation)|Arks]] the Autobots had built. Elita-One soon arrived with the active torch, at which point Sentinel ordered a reluctant Wheeljack to take the first [[Ark (Movie)|Ark]] and collected the other Autobots from their base in [[Tyger Pax]], while Sentinel himself took the torch and went to pick up Optimus's team aboard his own [[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]]. Consequently, Sentinel's Ark and all aboard were apparently destroyed by the Decepticons upon arrival. Furious at the death of his mentor, Optimus Prime enacted a new plan: while he kept Megatron busy, Wheeljack took the rest of the Autobots and attacked Simfur again, overwhelming the weakened Decepticons there and capturing the AllSpark. The cube was removed from the machine Wheeljack had invented, which caused Cybertron's sun to disappear. {{storylink|Foundation issue 4|Foundation #4}}

Thousands of years later, Wheeljack joined Optimus Prime on Earth at some point after 2009, alongside [[Mirage (Movie)|Mirage]]. The pair joined [[NEST]], and were assigned to a unit stationed in [[Washington, D.C.]]. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 3}} This put them closest to the action when a huge Decepticon battalion attacked [[Sam Witwicky]]'s school in [[Philadelphia]], and they arrived just in time to help [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] fight off the villains. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 2}} Wheeljack generated a powerful [[force field]] to shield Sam and other human bystanders as they ran from the battle, {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 3}} and the pair helped hold the line until Optimus Prime arrived with reinforcements. Observing that the Decepticons were attempting to flee, Prime ordered Wheeljack to extend his force field in order to keep them from escaping, but before the scientist could comply, the merciless [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] descended onto the battlefield and grievously damaged Wheeljack with a powerful blast. Luckily, Wheeljack remained just functional enough to complete his recalibration, trapping Shockwave inside his force field with a very unhappy Optimus Prime. After Prime defeated Shockwave, [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] examined Wheeljack's broken body and reported that he could be repaired, though he probably wouldn't be "quite the same". {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 4}}
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===''Dark of the Moon'' film===
:''Voice actor:'' [[George Coe]] (English), [[Abel Rocha]] (Latin American Spanish), [[Giorgio Lopez]] (Italian)
{{spoiler|Dark of the Moon (film)|when=July 29, 2011}}

Que, disguised as a blue Mercedes-Benz E550, posed as an escort to the prime minister’s vehicle to cross the [[Iran]]ian border. Once there, he, Bumblebee, Sideswipe and Dino investigated and destroyed an illegal nuclear facility.

At NEST’s new base of operations in Washington, D.C., Que provided weapons-specialist Ironhide with a weapons upgrade, supplying him with two powerful rifles. When National Intelligence Director [[Charlotte Mearing]] arrived, he politely introduced himself and informed them about Optimus Prime’s upset mood. He stood in the background with his fellow Autobots and observed Optimus berate the government officials for keeping the wreckage of the ''[[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]]'' a secret from the Autobots.

When the Autobots were exiled from Earth by the government, Que boarded the ''[[Xantium (DOTM)|Xantium]]'' alongside his fellow Autobots. However, after launch, [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] attacked the ''Xantium'' from space and it exploded.

Secretly, the Autobots had suspected treachery, and hid inside one of their shuttle's fuel pods which had detached shortly before Starscream's attack. Que arrived alongside his comrades as a member of Optimus Prime’s strike team into the midst of the Decepticon-occupied [[Chicago]]. Que provided the humans with several new anti-Decepticon weapons that he had constructed that, as he put it, “kick ass.” Later on, when several Autobots were overwhelmed and captured, he was taken hostage alongside Bumblebee, Sideswipe, Dino and Ratchet. At [[Dylan Gould]]'s prodding, [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] decided to make trophies of the prisoners, starting with Que. Despite Que’s pleas for mercy, he was fatally shot by [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] before being swiftly finished off by Soundwave. His death left Bumblebee distraught, mourning his lost friend. But Bumblebee soon avenged his fallen friend by killing Soundwave. {{storylink|Dark of the Moon (film)}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Autobots'' video game===
Wheeljack upgraded [[Create-A-Bot (Autobot)|Create-A-Bot]] so that he could store the data of and, thus, adopt multiple vehicle forms. {{storylink|Transformers Autobots/Decepticons|Transformers: Autobots}}

===''Transformers: The Game'' (PSP)===
[[Image:Wheeljack movie psp.jpg|180px|thumb|right]]

:''Voice actor:'' [[Erik Passoja]]

Wheeljack arrived on [[Earth]] some time after [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and his team, apparently at the same time as [[Hoist (Movie)|Hoist]] and [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]]. At that time, the Autobots were coming under attack from an army of Decepticon drones, and Wheeljack was able to concoct a virus that would send the drones back into sleep mode. [[Hound (Movie)|Hound]] and [[Trailbreaker (Movie)|Trailbreaker]] were charged with transmitting the virus to an orbiting satellite, broadcasting it to all the drones simultaneously. Although they succeeded, Wheeljack was left with the unfortunate task of relaying to Optimus Prime that Hound had died in the process.

A little later, Wheeljack accompanied the Autobots on their mission to the [[Hoover Dam]], and was seen escaping the complex when the Decepticons attacked. {{storylink|Transformers The Game (PSP)|Transformers The Game (PSP)}}

===''Transformers: Dark of the Moon - The Game''===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Jamie Alcroft]]

====Xbox 360/PS3====

Wheeljack aided his Autobot comrades from behind the scenes, arming them with newer, more potent weaponry almost as soon as he was done building them. He had NEST forces deliver one of these new weapons to Ironhide as the latter was battling the Decepticons in Detroit. The gun Wheeljack sent him enabled Ironhide to destroy Mixmaster's shields, leaving the Decepticon vulnerable.

Soundwave later infiltrated an old Sector Seven base that was evidently used as a workshop by Wheeljack to develop new MechTech weapons. Unfortunately, Soundwave managed to destroy the base and the MechTech with it, while what few weapons were already en route to Optimus Prime were intercepted by Starscream.

==Notes==
* Wheeljack's onscreen name "Que" is most likely a nod to the famous ''[[Wikipedia:James Bond|James Bond]]'' character [[wikipedia:Q (James Bond)| Q]], who similarily provided his allies with equipment and gadgets.

* His head design in ''Dark of the Moon'' is an homage to [[Wikipedia:Albert Einstein|Albert Einstein]].

* An early working name for him was '''Steeljaw''', and his head was considered to be based on [[Wikipedia:Christopher Lloyd|Christopher Lloyd's]] [[Wikipedia:Emmett Brown|Doc Brown]] from the [[Wikipedia:Back to the Future trilogy|''Back to the Future'' movies]] rather than Einstein.<ref name="wburt">[http://conceptartworld.com/?p=8388 Wesley Burt DOTM concepts.]</ref>
*Numerous adaptations of Dark of the Moon (such as the [[Dark of the Moon (comic series)|comic adaptation]] and [[Dark of the Moon: The Junior Novel|junior novelization]]) illustrated that during the Autobot capture in Chicago, it was Dino/Mirage who was executed by Soundwave. However this was changed in the movie to Que/Wheeljack being killed instead while Dino/Mirage survived the battle.

==Footnotes==
<references/>
[[Category:Movie Autobots]]
[[Category:Dark of the Moon Autobots]]
[[Category:Fiction-only Transformers]]
[[Category:NEST]]
[[Category:Scientists]]

Talk:Sentinel Prime (ROTF)

2011-07-11T03:46:09Z

Bobcat2022: 316 means what in this case?

Do you have a quote of Sentinel being specifically mentioned in the comic? I don't remember anything past the uni scene. While the original thirteen were killed by the Fallen in the comic and novel, there's nothing to confirm Sentinel wasn't a descendant like Optimus. Again, correct me if I'm wrong[[User:Eire]] 20.14 Oct 12 09 (UTC)
:"See, if you break down the elemental components of energon and assume a constant decay rate then extrapolate for each of the fourteen galactic convergences it took '''''Sentinel Prime's''''' expedition to get an echo you end up with a formula for inter-dimensional energy that mass and light alone can't '''''possibly''''' explain." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:28, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
::Erm ok, thanks for the quote Starfield, anyway, Jetfire explained in the adaptations that The Fallen returned to Cybertron, after the battle with the first generation for Earth, slaughtering all the Primes except for the child hidden from him (Optimus). Unless Sentinel is revealed to be alive in TF3, which is unlikely considering this was not mentioned in the final edit of ROTF, then he probably died because of The Fallen. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 17:57, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Starfield, I actually wanted the answer Alientraveller gave. I'm well aware of Sentinel's existence in the movieverse, but I just couldn't remember a reference in issue 3 [[User:Eire]]

::"the fourteen galactic convergences it took '''the''' Sentinel Prime expedition to"
::"The", and no possessive.
::Look, '''I''' think it's the leader of the 7/12/13 too... but the phrasing in the movie itself (which I just checked on, er... Youtube) '''isn't''' clear-cut enough to even say for certain that Sentinel Prime is an individual-- let alone that he's one of the 12! The phrasing is just... ambiguous, and the timeline is a godawful mess thanks to ROTF's 17,000 years retcon, and questions of whether the 13 in the movie are '''the''' 13 or not. (They're not. I mean... the movie fucking cut them down to 7. But until something official comes through to make it certain... it's just a collosal brain-ache that makes logical inference almost impossible.)
::Now... I ''thought'' that something... (a book or video game?) mentioned movieverse Sentinel Prime in a clearer light, but if so... it was around the time we were swamped with new stuff, and the ref never got documented. Does this sound familiar to anyone else?
::I have checked the following sources, and they do '''not''' mention Sentinel Prime in a helpful manner:
::*ROTF novelization (quote same as movie, with an added bit at the end. Nothing from Jetfire's history lesson or the Infinite White.)
::*The Movie Universe guidebook. No mention of Sentinel Prime by name
::-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:59, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
:::The first time I heard Sentinel mentioned was in the movie. And the Sentinel Prime expedition. You'd be forgiven for presuming, and really there's no reason not too, it was named after the Prime in charge. And given the massively different origin of the Primes in the movie compared to the adaptations, it seems again logical that he's simple a predecessor of Optimus, not one of the original Primes. There is some assumptions being made, however they are logical assumptions. IF you're concerned, throw in a note at the bottom. Personally, I think it's a bit of an assumption that Sentinel in the comics is one of the original Primes, but I can see why AT put it the way he did [[User:Eire]] 13.35 Oct 13 09 (UTC)

== Fannon ==

I'm '''really''' uncomfortable witht he ammoutn of assumptions and made-up shit on this page. The cited blog post ''does'' establish Sentinel Prime to be a character-- but it doesn't ''in any way'' say he's Prime and Megatron's father, or that he's one of the original 12. And the storylink citing his death... Sentinel Prime's name isn't even MENTIONED in that issue! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:37, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
:I'm just going to risk my life here and say "Is this Shattered Glass Derik speaking?" --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:51, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

== Move to (DOTM)? ==

Should we move this to "Sentinel Prime (DOTM)"? We moved "Soundwave (Movie)" to [[Soundwave (ROTF)]], ignoring when he was mentioned by Starscream in the UK magazine for the first film. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 15:03, 11 February 2011 (EST)
:An offhand mention in the freaking UK mag letters page is not exactly the same thing as Sentinel's existence being firmly established in the Revenge of the Fallen film. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:18, 11 February 2011 (EST)
::The Lord Of All Cheeses thirds the motion.
::- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 10:25 PM, 15 February 2011 A.D.
:::Thirds what motion? We have one person on each side so far. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 01:42, 16 February 2011 (EST)
::::I'm saying this page ought to be moved. '''Alientraveler''' proposed the idea. '''Detour''' seems to be saying this guy shouldn't be in ROTF (unless I misinterpreted; he seems to say "a mention in a UK comic's letters page doesn't count as Sentinel's existence in ROTF"). '''My vote''' makes a three.
::::- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 9:48 PM, February 2011 A.D.
:::::Detour is pointing out that Sentinel Prime is mentioned in the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' film, which counts as establishing SP's existence, so ROTF is correct. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:59, 17 February 2011 (EST)
::::::http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/Semysane/Response%20Images/748411.gif -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:59, 18 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::Sam mentions Sentinel Prime during his meltdown in the classroom in ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', thus establishing Sentinel Prime exists as a character. As the first mention of Sentinel Prime is in ''Revenge of the Fallen'', his article is as "Sentinel Prime (ROTF)". Clearer? :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:13, 18 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::Oh, I got it. I just never get enough chances to use that image. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:33, 18 February 2011 (EST)
:I get that it's established wiki policy to always go with the earliest whatever, but it's very confusing to all but the most hardcore and observant RotF viewers and wiki editors (sorry for the redundancy there). In DotM he was the major plot-driving character voiced by an actor with decades of Transformers association; in RotF he was about a syllable and a half of incoherent mumbling. Unlike Arcee in the first movie franchise, S.P. didn't even get a toy in RotF. For the sake of clarity and the casual browser, might his entry be attached to the film in which he actually appears? Is there perhaps a more general title, even, to indicate immediately that this article fully encompasses the one singular character throughout the Bay films' continuity family? [[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 23:02, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

== Sentinel~Vector? ==

Is it my imagination, or does Sentinel Prime bear a striking resemblence to Vector Prime?--[[User:Cydra|Cydra]] 01:48, 13 February 2011 (EST)
:Definitely your imagination. [[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 05:49, 18 February 2011 (EST)
::I see the resemblance mostly in those enormous shoulders. Beyond that, not really much of a resemblance. --[[User:Kaymac192|Kaymac192]] 11:35, 3 March 2011 (EST)
::: Indeed. He more resembles RID Prime. [[Special:Contributions/96.247.85.33|96.247.85.33]] 00:16, 22 March 2011 (EDT)

== Sentinel Prime in Empire magazine. ==

How should we mention [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/375241-sentinel-optimus-uk-empire-cover.html these images?] --[[User:Kaymac192|Kaymac192]] 11:42, 3 March 2011 (EST)

== Caption ==

Live-action Hyper Goldfish? WTF is that?--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 13:51, 6 March 2011 (EST)
:The Japanese version of Optimus Prime (RID) had a voice chip that sounded to some people as if it were saying "Hyper Goldfish Golfball". The Leader class Sentinel Prime looks something like the RID Prime, and is from a live action movie. Thus, Live-action Hyper Goldfish. I would recommend a crosslink in the caption, but some people hate those with an unreasoning passion. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:00, 6 March 2011 (EST)
::Much thanks for the clarification. The RiD Optimus Prime page doesn't even mention the background you so helpfully supply. Is there some sort of award for most obscure caption reference on the site? [[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 23:08, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

== Alpha Trion caption ==

How does it not work anymore?--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 13:15, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
:Personally, I don't see why it ever worked in the first place. --[[Special:Contributions/81.164.209.246|81.164.209.246]] 13:24, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
::It never did, no. It was never an Alpha Trion homage redeco. It was just heavily-airbrushed enough to look purpleish. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:25, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
:::I think that was the joke (such as it was) that there's "already" an Alpha Trion redeco due to the purple nature of the image, which, at the time, was the only stock photo of that toy. Anyway, I replaced the photo because the colours were pretty damn wrong. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:35, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== Two different Speed Stars Bumbebee two packs ==

Hey, why are there two slightly different Bumblebee Speed Stars two packs. [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/shop/details.cfm?R=69D4438D-5056-900B-1000-7E6F6EA5EAE9:en_US Item 29596] and [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/shop/details.cfm?R=6EDC5079-5056-900B-10F1-6428DAB7F112:en_US item 29588]? The package art is even slightly different. Both should be listed, right? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:41, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== Three sayings on the Leader toy? ==

Er... there must be something I'm doing wrong, then.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 02:05, 18 May 2011 (EDT)
:You have to put a MechTach weapon in his shoulder peg hole to hear them.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 16:12, 19 May 2011 (EDT)
::Just tried it out and it's apparently true. Still, I'm pretty sure the article should mention that little feature and how to ''enable'' it... [[Special:Contributions/58.69.69.194|58.69.69.194]] 21:43, 21 May 2011 (EDT)

== Minor design flaw? ==

On mine, it looks like the left heel pieces don't seem to line up correctly, and as such don't snap together right. Is anyone else having this issue? -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 11:07, 23 May 2011 (EDT)

== We need to make this a featured. ==

Any way we could come together and finish his fiction sections and whatnot? I think it's important this page is our featured this coming month, like The Fallen was for the last movie. I'm pretty okay with just promoting it anyway once July starts, even if there's some stuff left out. It just needs a spotlight. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:05, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

== Spoilers on Sentinel. ==

Okay, I haven't seen the movie yet, but I have seen spoilers, and there is one question I have that could seriously spoil for anyone, so be warned: <span style="background:black;"> Should we consider Sentinel a Decepticon?</span> -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 15:58, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
: No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:01, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
::<span style="background:black;">My memory may be fuzzy, but doesn't he call himself a Decepticon once they take over Chicago? Or does he keep calling himself an Autobot?</span>[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 17:13, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
:::<span style="background:black;">Sentinel makes a point of slapping Megatron around when he tries talking like they're all a happy family, so...no.</span>[[User:ShinRa Actual|ShinRa Actual]] 18:05, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
::::I've noticed this news actually spread on this site already (Shockwave's page pretty much blows it). Should we remove instances that we see so not to spoil the film just yet [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 10:11, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

== Caption request ==

When we start adding screenshots from the movie, can one of them use <span style="background:black;">"This is the one where Spock goes crazy."</span>?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 13:14, 1 July 2011 (EDT)
:"Goes nuts." And once the movie's been seen by more people, maybe in a week or two, that quote is TOTALLY going up at the top of the DOTM film article, same place as last movie's "I will have my revenge!" It sums up the movie pretty much the best. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:17, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

== Jerk ==

Could we mention (perhaps in a caption) that as a turncoat, this actully makes him a bigger jerk than his Animated counterpart, which I thought was impossible.[[User:Burnout|Burnout]] 17:39, 2 July 2011 (EDT)
:That joke was tired two years ago.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 21:08, 4 July 2011 (EDT)
Hey, I thought he was BIG jerk too.(Never seen the movie though.)
Maybe Sentinel(TFA) wanted to get revenge on Optimus(TFA).
So, he decided to get a role on Dark of the Moon.
His audition was successful. All he needed to do was change his alternate mode to make sure nobody knew it was him.
When the moment was right he could get revenge on Optimus(For stealing his fifteen stellar cycles of fame).
However,on set he was killed. And it was caught on film!
Let's just say there is more than meets the eye with Sentinel.

== Back Kibble ==
What exactly are those things? I swear in parts of the movie, they wiggled as if some kind of flexible cape or tank-treads.. what part of the vehicle do they correspond to?
:On the Leader Class toy, the kibble hanging off his back in robot mode (which, I agree, looks like a cape of some kind) becomes the side panels of his vehicle mode. [[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 22:42, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

== About the Genesis Caption... ==

I don't get it...can anyone explain?[[User:Kaine852|Kaine852]] 00:29, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
:It's a line from Mr. Spock in Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan. Spock was played by Leonard Nimoy, who voiced Sentinel Prime. I'm more curious about why it's used on two different images. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:44, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

== 316 meaning? ==
Is there a particular meaning or significance to the number 316 on SP's vehicle mode? Seems lately like anything of that sort on a TF is an in-joke or reference (Wal-Mart "84" DotM Bumblebee, anyone?). I'm in the dark on this one, though. -- [[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 23:46, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

User talk:Khajidha/archive

2011-07-11T03:17:59Z

Bobcat2022:

==Stop==

We include the foreign titles so as to make the foreign spellings available. We strive to be as informative as possible and whether the foriegn words translate the same as the English titles is immaterial. We want that info present. So please stop removing information from the pages. If it upsets you that much, then let a discussion actually progress in the talk pages first, before going on a massive info-deleting spree. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 01:28, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

: I thought I was following the example set on the Revenge of the Fallen talk page. There, Walky had stated that foreign titles shouldn't be listed if they were simply a direct translation. I thought that was the consensus and was simply trying to catch examples that had fallen through the cracks. Apparently I was wrong, and I apologize for acting prematurely. Perhaps it is time to examine this policy. I will, of course, follow any decision made. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:28, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

==Primes==
Dear Khajidha,
I believe you have made an error in your statement "(→Notes: Nexus prime is one of the 13, not the lineage of primes (matrix bearers))". Right here on tfwiki.net you will find the following statements:
"They were the first Transformers, and all Primes..... In an answer in October 2009's Q&A Hasbro indicated that only seven of the 13 were Primes."
This clearly suggests that since Forest Lee had claimed Nexus to be a Prime and that there exists exactly seven "spirit guides" and that these must therefore be the seven aforesaid Primes, THEN Nexus Prime must be one of these seven "spirit guide" Primes. Can you disprove this by logic?
Sincerely, P.C. -{{unsigned|Deszarasu}} 00:31, 2 August 2010 (EDT)
:The spirit guides from Five Faces of Darkness are seven holders of the Matrix of Leadership before Rodimus Prime. The fact that there are seven of them is a simple coincidence with the "seven of the [original] 13" were Primes. Of the original 13 we have Primon/Alpha Prime, Megatronus Prime/The Fallen, Vector Prime, and Nexus Prime. Only Primon is also one of the Spirit Guides, as he was also the first Matrix bearer. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:58, 2 August 2010 (EDT)

== Thanks ==

Merci on the spelling fix in my sandbox. [[User:JW|JW]] 12:02, 5 August 2010 (EDT)

== Megatron (Myth) ==

I am sorry, but I would like to post the fact the G1 Megatron would have named himself after the Preacon who named himself after the G1 Megatron. Is their a neater way you would prefer me to write it as, you said it was poorly written. [[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 10:47, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

== Transformers 3 ==

I did have a source for that, I just forgot where it was. It was revealed on TFW2005.com that on set, a pole with Megatron's head and a pole with Soundwave's head was found on set. Also, on the same website, Starscream's fate was revealed, so he must be in the movie. (I shall not reveal the fate unless asked.)[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 19:54, 5 September 2010 (EDT)
:Set leaks from TFW2005 do not count as official information. Neither does some website about caps talking about what they heard happens. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:45, 5 September 2010 (EDT)
:You know, the film crew just confirmed he will be in it and what he turns into. Just saying. Please don't try to kill me Detour. I know you a reading this.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 17:36, 28 October 2010 (EDT)

== Answer ==
Agreed. --[[User:He-l-en1959|Waz-z-z-zpinator59]] 08:48, 12 September 2010 (EDT)

== Megatron comment ==

You know, I kinda thought that Kibble comment that person wrote on 2007 Megatron's leader class toy caption was kinda funny. It is true, he does have a lot of kibble. Why did you delete that? Was it because of the grammer?[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 17:41, 28 October 2010 (EDT)
:The anonymous editor has not built a record of useful edits, policy is to revert. Also wasn't funny. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:41, 28 October 2010 (EDT)
::Whatever. I liked it, you didn't. Lets just leave it the way it is without a caption comment.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:39, 29 October 2010 (EDT)

== Scoop Bastard ==

Why can't I remove just that one tag? I said one thing that Megatron, Starscream and Soundwave are going to be in transformers 3 and I am automatically a scoop bastard because of one thing? So what their heads were seen on set! Who cares. Not to mention the fact that the actual wikipedia says they are in DOTM, so are you going to call them scoop bastards too? I have never done anything else and because of one thing one user doesn't like I am now a scoop bastard? What kind of crap is this? I am not removing the sign your posts thing or the spelling thing, just the thing that says I "stole" information.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 14:23, 31 October 2010 (EDT)
:You posted unverified information, that means you earned the scoop tag. The term "scoopbastard" may be unfortunate, but that is the name of the tag. What Wikipedia says is irrelevant. No official notice of them being in the movie had been released as of the time you added the information and the tag was added to your page. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:29, 31 October 2010 (EDT)
::So, I will just have to deal with it. Ok. Look, I can tell i have been getting on your nerves recently. I would just want to apologize for that. It's been a stressful week.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:40, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:::Just make sure to keep the advice in mind in the future. After a long while (say, this time next year) you can move all of this old stuff to an archive page linked to your talk page. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:32, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::OK, Thanks for the help. Sorry for the trouble.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:31, 3 November 2010 (EDT)

== BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Editor_XXV/Archive#20_January_2011 Enjoy]. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 06:12, 23 January 2011 (EST)
:At least they came to the correct conclusion. People CAN agree without being the same person, even if others don't like what they agree on. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:51, 23 January 2011 (EST)

== Good ==

now i'm A-1, thanks

--[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 16:58, 2 April 2011 (EDT)

==Still pretty confused==
I read the disambig but am kind of in the dark. How many pages should be in a category before it is needed? I thought 2 was minimum, I get if it's a higher number but I'm wondering if the guideline's written somewhere so I can be consistant and know what to look for prior to creating anymore.

I'm also not sure why Sumdac should redirect to Isaac Sumdac rather than Sari or being a disambig for the two. Couldn't either of them be referred to like this? Plus "Sari" redirects to Sari Sumdac yet the redirect from Isaac to Isaac Sumdac isn't allowed? I guess I'm not sure, it's like the dad's never called by his given name nor Sari by her surname, very confusing. [[User:Tyciol|Ty]] 01:17, 31 May 2011 (EDT)
:Categories generally require at least 7 members. Disambiguation pages are only created when there are at least 3 items with the same name. When there are just two, the unmodified name should redirect to one of them. Since "Sumdac" is used for Isaac most often, it redirects to him. Since there are no other "Isaac's", typing Isaac into the search box will automatically bring him up in the list. The "Sari Sumdac" page was created as "Sari" and later moved, leaving a redirect behind. It probably could be deleted, I'll make the recommendation.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 06:04, 31 May 2011 (EDT)

== Re: HOF ==

I based the inclusion on the toys shown at the Hall of Fame. Check them out [http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.228373357188447.77714.166004856758631 here]. I'm still waiting on the tribute videos to go online to see if Hasbro counts ''Cybertron'' Soundwave. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 12:37, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:I think you're putting a little too much emphasis on which toys were used for these rather random displays. For example, no RID Prime or Megatron is present in the displays but Hasbro said that no version of OP or Megs was eligible for the fan votes as they were automatically inducted as part of the first class. Similar language was used to exclude any version of Ironhide etc in this year's voting. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:47, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
::I doubt they were that random. I don't think Hasbro considers ''Energon'' Ironhide the same character because he's a kid-appeal character as opposed to Optimus's gruff right-hand bot. That's why I'm waiting on the videos for a final check: we used the videos to determine which pages went into the category last year and mentioned the odd exception (the RID versions in their notes). [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 13:12, 6 June 2011 (EDT)

== Username Origin ==

(Original section title: Uh...) Where'd you get your name from? --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:44, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:It was the magic word used by the Silver Age Blue Beetle. I think I may have misspelled it, though. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 06:40, 7 June 2011 (EDT)
::I think you've got it right— that's how they spell it in the Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes) comics (which are excellent), although I believe they put a space or a hyphen or somesuch in the middle. Nice username, strong approval, etc. --[[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 23:13, 10 July 2011 (EDT)
::Just to be a completist (I'm in the right place for that, yes?) I looked it up, and officially nowadays there's no second H ("da" instead of "dha"). Close enough for government work, though. --[[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 23:17, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

== Gaea ==

Sorry about that. I didn't see that the note was a recent addition, and thought it was meant to be there.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.165|192.249.47.165]] 18:04, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

== Brawl ==

While I agree that the entire script should not appear in the quotes section, what is there is far from approaching that.

Furthermore, I feel that the quotes I added are significant & add to the section since:
1) One shows a recurring theme of Spike's romantic interests and
2) The other is an rather adult quote for a kids show, much more deserving of the higher PG rating than the "bloody" comment. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that was part of the reason it got that rating.

I didn't randomly pick these, and put some thought into it. I would argue that there are other quotes that add less to the section, but more importantly, the section is not so big that it would constitute the "entire script". Other episodes have larger quote sections with many more superficial quotes.
:1)The recurring theme of Spike's romances is better handled as a note than a quote. 2)I think you are rather reaching for your adult interpretation. 3)We have been [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#Hey.2C_I.27ve_got_a_new_user_talk_page_template_request...|having discussions]] here about reducing quote sections. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 06:53, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
::About the quote, Wise has said in an interview (I think the same one that said that Dion died) the visual with the screw was intentional, so I wouldn't be surprised about the quote. But that too would be better for a note than quote. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 07:24, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
:::Interesting, Geewunling. I meant to mention earlier that part of why I had said what I said about the "entire script" was that (at least) one of the quotes that Brawl added was a continuation of a quote that was already there. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:30, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

User talk:Khajidha/archive

2011-07-11T03:13:54Z

Bobcat2022: /* Uh... */

==Stop==

We include the foreign titles so as to make the foreign spellings available. We strive to be as informative as possible and whether the foriegn words translate the same as the English titles is immaterial. We want that info present. So please stop removing information from the pages. If it upsets you that much, then let a discussion actually progress in the talk pages first, before going on a massive info-deleting spree. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 01:28, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

: I thought I was following the example set on the Revenge of the Fallen talk page. There, Walky had stated that foreign titles shouldn't be listed if they were simply a direct translation. I thought that was the consensus and was simply trying to catch examples that had fallen through the cracks. Apparently I was wrong, and I apologize for acting prematurely. Perhaps it is time to examine this policy. I will, of course, follow any decision made. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:28, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

==Primes==
Dear Khajidha,
I believe you have made an error in your statement "(→Notes: Nexus prime is one of the 13, not the lineage of primes (matrix bearers))". Right here on tfwiki.net you will find the following statements:
"They were the first Transformers, and all Primes..... In an answer in October 2009's Q&A Hasbro indicated that only seven of the 13 were Primes."
This clearly suggests that since Forest Lee had claimed Nexus to be a Prime and that there exists exactly seven "spirit guides" and that these must therefore be the seven aforesaid Primes, THEN Nexus Prime must be one of these seven "spirit guide" Primes. Can you disprove this by logic?
Sincerely, P.C. -{{unsigned|Deszarasu}} 00:31, 2 August 2010 (EDT)
:The spirit guides from Five Faces of Darkness are seven holders of the Matrix of Leadership before Rodimus Prime. The fact that there are seven of them is a simple coincidence with the "seven of the [original] 13" were Primes. Of the original 13 we have Primon/Alpha Prime, Megatronus Prime/The Fallen, Vector Prime, and Nexus Prime. Only Primon is also one of the Spirit Guides, as he was also the first Matrix bearer. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:58, 2 August 2010 (EDT)

== Thanks ==

Merci on the spelling fix in my sandbox. [[User:JW|JW]] 12:02, 5 August 2010 (EDT)

== Megatron (Myth) ==

I am sorry, but I would like to post the fact the G1 Megatron would have named himself after the Preacon who named himself after the G1 Megatron. Is their a neater way you would prefer me to write it as, you said it was poorly written. [[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 10:47, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

== Transformers 3 ==

I did have a source for that, I just forgot where it was. It was revealed on TFW2005.com that on set, a pole with Megatron's head and a pole with Soundwave's head was found on set. Also, on the same website, Starscream's fate was revealed, so he must be in the movie. (I shall not reveal the fate unless asked.)[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 19:54, 5 September 2010 (EDT)
:Set leaks from TFW2005 do not count as official information. Neither does some website about caps talking about what they heard happens. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:45, 5 September 2010 (EDT)
:You know, the film crew just confirmed he will be in it and what he turns into. Just saying. Please don't try to kill me Detour. I know you a reading this.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 17:36, 28 October 2010 (EDT)

== Answer ==
Agreed. --[[User:He-l-en1959|Waz-z-z-zpinator59]] 08:48, 12 September 2010 (EDT)

== Megatron comment ==

You know, I kinda thought that Kibble comment that person wrote on 2007 Megatron's leader class toy caption was kinda funny. It is true, he does have a lot of kibble. Why did you delete that? Was it because of the grammer?[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 17:41, 28 October 2010 (EDT)
:The anonymous editor has not built a record of useful edits, policy is to revert. Also wasn't funny. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:41, 28 October 2010 (EDT)
::Whatever. I liked it, you didn't. Lets just leave it the way it is without a caption comment.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:39, 29 October 2010 (EDT)

== Scoop Bastard ==

Why can't I remove just that one tag? I said one thing that Megatron, Starscream and Soundwave are going to be in transformers 3 and I am automatically a scoop bastard because of one thing? So what their heads were seen on set! Who cares. Not to mention the fact that the actual wikipedia says they are in DOTM, so are you going to call them scoop bastards too? I have never done anything else and because of one thing one user doesn't like I am now a scoop bastard? What kind of crap is this? I am not removing the sign your posts thing or the spelling thing, just the thing that says I "stole" information.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 14:23, 31 October 2010 (EDT)
:You posted unverified information, that means you earned the scoop tag. The term "scoopbastard" may be unfortunate, but that is the name of the tag. What Wikipedia says is irrelevant. No official notice of them being in the movie had been released as of the time you added the information and the tag was added to your page. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:29, 31 October 2010 (EDT)
::So, I will just have to deal with it. Ok. Look, I can tell i have been getting on your nerves recently. I would just want to apologize for that. It's been a stressful week.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:40, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:::Just make sure to keep the advice in mind in the future. After a long while (say, this time next year) you can move all of this old stuff to an archive page linked to your talk page. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:32, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::OK, Thanks for the help. Sorry for the trouble.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:31, 3 November 2010 (EDT)

== BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Editor_XXV/Archive#20_January_2011 Enjoy]. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 06:12, 23 January 2011 (EST)
:At least they came to the correct conclusion. People CAN agree without being the same person, even if others don't like what they agree on. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:51, 23 January 2011 (EST)

== Good ==

now i'm A-1, thanks

--[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 16:58, 2 April 2011 (EDT)

==Still pretty confused==
I read the disambig but am kind of in the dark. How many pages should be in a category before it is needed? I thought 2 was minimum, I get if it's a higher number but I'm wondering if the guideline's written somewhere so I can be consistant and know what to look for prior to creating anymore.

I'm also not sure why Sumdac should redirect to Isaac Sumdac rather than Sari or being a disambig for the two. Couldn't either of them be referred to like this? Plus "Sari" redirects to Sari Sumdac yet the redirect from Isaac to Isaac Sumdac isn't allowed? I guess I'm not sure, it's like the dad's never called by his given name nor Sari by her surname, very confusing. [[User:Tyciol|Ty]] 01:17, 31 May 2011 (EDT)
:Categories generally require at least 7 members. Disambiguation pages are only created when there are at least 3 items with the same name. When there are just two, the unmodified name should redirect to one of them. Since "Sumdac" is used for Isaac most often, it redirects to him. Since there are no other "Isaac's", typing Isaac into the search box will automatically bring him up in the list. The "Sari Sumdac" page was created as "Sari" and later moved, leaving a redirect behind. It probably could be deleted, I'll make the recommendation.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 06:04, 31 May 2011 (EDT)

== Re: HOF ==

I based the inclusion on the toys shown at the Hall of Fame. Check them out [http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.228373357188447.77714.166004856758631 here]. I'm still waiting on the tribute videos to go online to see if Hasbro counts ''Cybertron'' Soundwave. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 12:37, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:I think you're putting a little too much emphasis on which toys were used for these rather random displays. For example, no RID Prime or Megatron is present in the displays but Hasbro said that no version of OP or Megs was eligible for the fan votes as they were automatically inducted as part of the first class. Similar language was used to exclude any version of Ironhide etc in this year's voting. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:47, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
::I doubt they were that random. I don't think Hasbro considers ''Energon'' Ironhide the same character because he's a kid-appeal character as opposed to Optimus's gruff right-hand bot. That's why I'm waiting on the videos for a final check: we used the videos to determine which pages went into the category last year and mentioned the odd exception (the RID versions in their notes). [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 13:12, 6 June 2011 (EDT)

== Username source ==

(Original section title: Uh...) Where'd you get your name from? --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:44, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:It was the magic word used by the Silver Age Blue Beetle. I think I may have misspelled it, though. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 06:40, 7 June 2011 (EDT)
::I think you've got it right— that's how they spell it in the Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes) comics (which are excellent), although I believe they put a space or a hyphen or somesuch in the middle. Nice username, strong approval, etc. --[[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 23:13, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

== Gaea ==

Sorry about that. I didn't see that the note was a recent addition, and thought it was meant to be there.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.165|192.249.47.165]] 18:04, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

== Brawl ==

While I agree that the entire script should not appear in the quotes section, what is there is far from approaching that.

Furthermore, I feel that the quotes I added are significant & add to the section since:
1) One shows a recurring theme of Spike's romantic interests and
2) The other is an rather adult quote for a kids show, much more deserving of the higher PG rating than the "bloody" comment. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that was part of the reason it got that rating.

I didn't randomly pick these, and put some thought into it. I would argue that there are other quotes that add less to the section, but more importantly, the section is not so big that it would constitute the "entire script". Other episodes have larger quote sections with many more superficial quotes.
:1)The recurring theme of Spike's romances is better handled as a note than a quote. 2)I think you are rather reaching for your adult interpretation. 3)We have been [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#Hey.2C_I.27ve_got_a_new_user_talk_page_template_request...|having discussions]] here about reducing quote sections. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 06:53, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
::About the quote, Wise has said in an interview (I think the same one that said that Dion died) the visual with the screw was intentional, so I wouldn't be surprised about the quote. But that too would be better for a note than quote. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 07:24, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
:::Interesting, Geewunling. I meant to mention earlier that part of why I had said what I said about the "entire script" was that (at least) one of the quotes that Brawl added was a continuation of a quote that was already there. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:30, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Sentinel Prime (ROTF)

2011-07-11T03:08:49Z

Bobcat2022: /* Caption */

Do you have a quote of Sentinel being specifically mentioned in the comic? I don't remember anything past the uni scene. While the original thirteen were killed by the Fallen in the comic and novel, there's nothing to confirm Sentinel wasn't a descendant like Optimus. Again, correct me if I'm wrong[[User:Eire]] 20.14 Oct 12 09 (UTC)
:"See, if you break down the elemental components of energon and assume a constant decay rate then extrapolate for each of the fourteen galactic convergences it took '''''Sentinel Prime's''''' expedition to get an echo you end up with a formula for inter-dimensional energy that mass and light alone can't '''''possibly''''' explain." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:28, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
::Erm ok, thanks for the quote Starfield, anyway, Jetfire explained in the adaptations that The Fallen returned to Cybertron, after the battle with the first generation for Earth, slaughtering all the Primes except for the child hidden from him (Optimus). Unless Sentinel is revealed to be alive in TF3, which is unlikely considering this was not mentioned in the final edit of ROTF, then he probably died because of The Fallen. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 17:57, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Starfield, I actually wanted the answer Alientraveller gave. I'm well aware of Sentinel's existence in the movieverse, but I just couldn't remember a reference in issue 3 [[User:Eire]]

::"the fourteen galactic convergences it took '''the''' Sentinel Prime expedition to"
::"The", and no possessive.
::Look, '''I''' think it's the leader of the 7/12/13 too... but the phrasing in the movie itself (which I just checked on, er... Youtube) '''isn't''' clear-cut enough to even say for certain that Sentinel Prime is an individual-- let alone that he's one of the 12! The phrasing is just... ambiguous, and the timeline is a godawful mess thanks to ROTF's 17,000 years retcon, and questions of whether the 13 in the movie are '''the''' 13 or not. (They're not. I mean... the movie fucking cut them down to 7. But until something official comes through to make it certain... it's just a collosal brain-ache that makes logical inference almost impossible.)
::Now... I ''thought'' that something... (a book or video game?) mentioned movieverse Sentinel Prime in a clearer light, but if so... it was around the time we were swamped with new stuff, and the ref never got documented. Does this sound familiar to anyone else?
::I have checked the following sources, and they do '''not''' mention Sentinel Prime in a helpful manner:
::*ROTF novelization (quote same as movie, with an added bit at the end. Nothing from Jetfire's history lesson or the Infinite White.)
::*The Movie Universe guidebook. No mention of Sentinel Prime by name
::-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:59, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
:::The first time I heard Sentinel mentioned was in the movie. And the Sentinel Prime expedition. You'd be forgiven for presuming, and really there's no reason not too, it was named after the Prime in charge. And given the massively different origin of the Primes in the movie compared to the adaptations, it seems again logical that he's simple a predecessor of Optimus, not one of the original Primes. There is some assumptions being made, however they are logical assumptions. IF you're concerned, throw in a note at the bottom. Personally, I think it's a bit of an assumption that Sentinel in the comics is one of the original Primes, but I can see why AT put it the way he did [[User:Eire]] 13.35 Oct 13 09 (UTC)

== Fannon ==

I'm '''really''' uncomfortable witht he ammoutn of assumptions and made-up shit on this page. The cited blog post ''does'' establish Sentinel Prime to be a character-- but it doesn't ''in any way'' say he's Prime and Megatron's father, or that he's one of the original 12. And the storylink citing his death... Sentinel Prime's name isn't even MENTIONED in that issue! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:37, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
:I'm just going to risk my life here and say "Is this Shattered Glass Derik speaking?" --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:51, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

== Move to (DOTM)? ==

Should we move this to "Sentinel Prime (DOTM)"? We moved "Soundwave (Movie)" to [[Soundwave (ROTF)]], ignoring when he was mentioned by Starscream in the UK magazine for the first film. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 15:03, 11 February 2011 (EST)
:An offhand mention in the freaking UK mag letters page is not exactly the same thing as Sentinel's existence being firmly established in the Revenge of the Fallen film. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:18, 11 February 2011 (EST)
::The Lord Of All Cheeses thirds the motion.
::- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 10:25 PM, 15 February 2011 A.D.
:::Thirds what motion? We have one person on each side so far. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 01:42, 16 February 2011 (EST)
::::I'm saying this page ought to be moved. '''Alientraveler''' proposed the idea. '''Detour''' seems to be saying this guy shouldn't be in ROTF (unless I misinterpreted; he seems to say "a mention in a UK comic's letters page doesn't count as Sentinel's existence in ROTF"). '''My vote''' makes a three.
::::- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 9:48 PM, February 2011 A.D.
:::::Detour is pointing out that Sentinel Prime is mentioned in the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' film, which counts as establishing SP's existence, so ROTF is correct. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:59, 17 February 2011 (EST)
::::::http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/Semysane/Response%20Images/748411.gif -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:59, 18 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::Sam mentions Sentinel Prime during his meltdown in the classroom in ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', thus establishing Sentinel Prime exists as a character. As the first mention of Sentinel Prime is in ''Revenge of the Fallen'', his article is as "Sentinel Prime (ROTF)". Clearer? :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:13, 18 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::Oh, I got it. I just never get enough chances to use that image. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:33, 18 February 2011 (EST)
:I get that it's established wiki policy to always go with the earliest whatever, but it's very confusing to all but the most hardcore and observant RotF viewers and wiki editors (sorry for the redundancy there). In DotM he was the major plot-driving character voiced by an actor with decades of Transformers association; in RotF he was about a syllable and a half of incoherent mumbling. Unlike Arcee in the first movie franchise, S.P. didn't even get a toy in RotF. For the sake of clarity and the casual browser, might his entry be attached to the film in which he actually appears? Is there perhaps a more general title, even, to indicate immediately that this article fully encompasses the one singular character throughout the Bay films' continuity family? [[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 23:02, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

== Sentinel~Vector? ==

Is it my imagination, or does Sentinel Prime bear a striking resemblence to Vector Prime?--[[User:Cydra|Cydra]] 01:48, 13 February 2011 (EST)
:Definitely your imagination. [[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 05:49, 18 February 2011 (EST)
::I see the resemblance mostly in those enormous shoulders. Beyond that, not really much of a resemblance. --[[User:Kaymac192|Kaymac192]] 11:35, 3 March 2011 (EST)
::: Indeed. He more resembles RID Prime. [[Special:Contributions/96.247.85.33|96.247.85.33]] 00:16, 22 March 2011 (EDT)

== Sentinel Prime in Empire magazine. ==

How should we mention [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/375241-sentinel-optimus-uk-empire-cover.html these images?] --[[User:Kaymac192|Kaymac192]] 11:42, 3 March 2011 (EST)

== Caption ==

Live-action Hyper Goldfish? WTF is that?--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 13:51, 6 March 2011 (EST)
:The Japanese version of Optimus Prime (RID) had a voice chip that sounded to some people as if it were saying "Hyper Goldfish Golfball". The Leader class Sentinel Prime looks something like the RID Prime, and is from a live action movie. Thus, Live-action Hyper Goldfish. I would recommend a crosslink in the caption, but some people hate those with an unreasoning passion. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:00, 6 March 2011 (EST)
::Much thanks for the clarification. The RiD Optimus Prime page doesn't even mention the background you so helpfully supply. Is there some sort of award for most obscure caption reference on the site? [[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 23:08, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

== Alpha Trion caption ==

How does it not work anymore?--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 13:15, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
:Personally, I don't see why it ever worked in the first place. --[[Special:Contributions/81.164.209.246|81.164.209.246]] 13:24, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
::It never did, no. It was never an Alpha Trion homage redeco. It was just heavily-airbrushed enough to look purpleish. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:25, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
:::I think that was the joke (such as it was) that there's "already" an Alpha Trion redeco due to the purple nature of the image, which, at the time, was the only stock photo of that toy. Anyway, I replaced the photo because the colours were pretty damn wrong. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:35, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== Two different Speed Stars Bumbebee two packs ==

Hey, why are there two slightly different Bumblebee Speed Stars two packs. [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/shop/details.cfm?R=69D4438D-5056-900B-1000-7E6F6EA5EAE9:en_US Item 29596] and [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/shop/details.cfm?R=6EDC5079-5056-900B-10F1-6428DAB7F112:en_US item 29588]? The package art is even slightly different. Both should be listed, right? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:41, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== Three sayings on the Leader toy? ==

Er... there must be something I'm doing wrong, then.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 02:05, 18 May 2011 (EDT)
:You have to put a MechTach weapon in his shoulder peg hole to hear them.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 16:12, 19 May 2011 (EDT)
::Just tried it out and it's apparently true. Still, I'm pretty sure the article should mention that little feature and how to ''enable'' it... [[Special:Contributions/58.69.69.194|58.69.69.194]] 21:43, 21 May 2011 (EDT)

== Minor design flaw? ==

On mine, it looks like the left heel pieces don't seem to line up correctly, and as such don't snap together right. Is anyone else having this issue? -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 11:07, 23 May 2011 (EDT)

== We need to make this a featured. ==

Any way we could come together and finish his fiction sections and whatnot? I think it's important this page is our featured this coming month, like The Fallen was for the last movie. I'm pretty okay with just promoting it anyway once July starts, even if there's some stuff left out. It just needs a spotlight. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:05, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

== Spoilers on Sentinel. ==

Okay, I haven't seen the movie yet, but I have seen spoilers, and there is one question I have that could seriously spoil for anyone, so be warned: <span style="background:black;"> Should we consider Sentinel a Decepticon?</span> -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 15:58, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
: No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:01, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
::<span style="background:black;">My memory may be fuzzy, but doesn't he call himself a Decepticon once they take over Chicago? Or does he keep calling himself an Autobot?</span>[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 17:13, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
:::<span style="background:black;">Sentinel makes a point of slapping Megatron around when he tries talking like they're all a happy family, so...no.</span>[[User:ShinRa Actual|ShinRa Actual]] 18:05, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
::::I've noticed this news actually spread on this site already (Shockwave's page pretty much blows it). Should we remove instances that we see so not to spoil the film just yet [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 10:11, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

== Caption request ==

When we start adding screenshots from the movie, can one of them use <span style="background:black;">"This is the one where Spock goes crazy."</span>?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 13:14, 1 July 2011 (EDT)
:"Goes nuts." And once the movie's been seen by more people, maybe in a week or two, that quote is TOTALLY going up at the top of the DOTM film article, same place as last movie's "I will have my revenge!" It sums up the movie pretty much the best. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:17, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

== Jerk ==

Could we mention (perhaps in a caption) that as a turncoat, this actully makes him a bigger jerk than his Animated counterpart, which I thought was impossible.[[User:Burnout|Burnout]] 17:39, 2 July 2011 (EDT)
:That joke was tired two years ago.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 21:08, 4 July 2011 (EDT)
Hey, I thought he was BIG jerk too.(Never seen the movie though.)
Maybe Sentinel(TFA) wanted to get revenge on Optimus(TFA).
So, he decided to get a role on Dark of the Moon.
His audition was successful. All he needed to do was change his alternate mode to make sure nobody knew it was him.
When the moment was right he could get revenge on Optimus(For stealing his fifteen stellar cycles of fame).
However,on set he was killed. And it was caught on film!
Let's just say there is more than meets the eye with Sentinel.

== Back Kibble ==
What exactly are those things? I swear in parts of the movie, they wiggled as if some kind of flexible cape or tank-treads.. what part of the vehicle do they correspond to?
:On the Leader Class toy, the kibble hanging off his back in robot mode (which, I agree, looks like a cape of some kind) becomes the side panels of his vehicle mode. [[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 22:42, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

== About the Genesis Caption... ==

I don't get it...can anyone explain?[[User:Kaine852|Kaine852]] 00:29, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
:It's a line from Mr. Spock in Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan. Spock was played by Leonard Nimoy, who voiced Sentinel Prime. I'm more curious about why it's used on two different images. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:44, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Sentinel Prime (ROTF)

2011-07-11T03:02:11Z

Bobcat2022: /* Move to (DOTM)? */ another, likely futile, plea for moving the article to DotM

Do you have a quote of Sentinel being specifically mentioned in the comic? I don't remember anything past the uni scene. While the original thirteen were killed by the Fallen in the comic and novel, there's nothing to confirm Sentinel wasn't a descendant like Optimus. Again, correct me if I'm wrong[[User:Eire]] 20.14 Oct 12 09 (UTC)
:"See, if you break down the elemental components of energon and assume a constant decay rate then extrapolate for each of the fourteen galactic convergences it took '''''Sentinel Prime's''''' expedition to get an echo you end up with a formula for inter-dimensional energy that mass and light alone can't '''''possibly''''' explain." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:28, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
::Erm ok, thanks for the quote Starfield, anyway, Jetfire explained in the adaptations that The Fallen returned to Cybertron, after the battle with the first generation for Earth, slaughtering all the Primes except for the child hidden from him (Optimus). Unless Sentinel is revealed to be alive in TF3, which is unlikely considering this was not mentioned in the final edit of ROTF, then he probably died because of The Fallen. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 17:57, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Starfield, I actually wanted the answer Alientraveller gave. I'm well aware of Sentinel's existence in the movieverse, but I just couldn't remember a reference in issue 3 [[User:Eire]]

::"the fourteen galactic convergences it took '''the''' Sentinel Prime expedition to"
::"The", and no possessive.
::Look, '''I''' think it's the leader of the 7/12/13 too... but the phrasing in the movie itself (which I just checked on, er... Youtube) '''isn't''' clear-cut enough to even say for certain that Sentinel Prime is an individual-- let alone that he's one of the 12! The phrasing is just... ambiguous, and the timeline is a godawful mess thanks to ROTF's 17,000 years retcon, and questions of whether the 13 in the movie are '''the''' 13 or not. (They're not. I mean... the movie fucking cut them down to 7. But until something official comes through to make it certain... it's just a collosal brain-ache that makes logical inference almost impossible.)
::Now... I ''thought'' that something... (a book or video game?) mentioned movieverse Sentinel Prime in a clearer light, but if so... it was around the time we were swamped with new stuff, and the ref never got documented. Does this sound familiar to anyone else?
::I have checked the following sources, and they do '''not''' mention Sentinel Prime in a helpful manner:
::*ROTF novelization (quote same as movie, with an added bit at the end. Nothing from Jetfire's history lesson or the Infinite White.)
::*The Movie Universe guidebook. No mention of Sentinel Prime by name
::-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:59, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
:::The first time I heard Sentinel mentioned was in the movie. And the Sentinel Prime expedition. You'd be forgiven for presuming, and really there's no reason not too, it was named after the Prime in charge. And given the massively different origin of the Primes in the movie compared to the adaptations, it seems again logical that he's simple a predecessor of Optimus, not one of the original Primes. There is some assumptions being made, however they are logical assumptions. IF you're concerned, throw in a note at the bottom. Personally, I think it's a bit of an assumption that Sentinel in the comics is one of the original Primes, but I can see why AT put it the way he did [[User:Eire]] 13.35 Oct 13 09 (UTC)

== Fannon ==

I'm '''really''' uncomfortable witht he ammoutn of assumptions and made-up shit on this page. The cited blog post ''does'' establish Sentinel Prime to be a character-- but it doesn't ''in any way'' say he's Prime and Megatron's father, or that he's one of the original 12. And the storylink citing his death... Sentinel Prime's name isn't even MENTIONED in that issue! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:37, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
:I'm just going to risk my life here and say "Is this Shattered Glass Derik speaking?" --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:51, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

== Move to (DOTM)? ==

Should we move this to "Sentinel Prime (DOTM)"? We moved "Soundwave (Movie)" to [[Soundwave (ROTF)]], ignoring when he was mentioned by Starscream in the UK magazine for the first film. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 15:03, 11 February 2011 (EST)
:An offhand mention in the freaking UK mag letters page is not exactly the same thing as Sentinel's existence being firmly established in the Revenge of the Fallen film. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:18, 11 February 2011 (EST)
::The Lord Of All Cheeses thirds the motion.
::- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 10:25 PM, 15 February 2011 A.D.
:::Thirds what motion? We have one person on each side so far. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 01:42, 16 February 2011 (EST)
::::I'm saying this page ought to be moved. '''Alientraveler''' proposed the idea. '''Detour''' seems to be saying this guy shouldn't be in ROTF (unless I misinterpreted; he seems to say "a mention in a UK comic's letters page doesn't count as Sentinel's existence in ROTF"). '''My vote''' makes a three.
::::- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 9:48 PM, February 2011 A.D.
:::::Detour is pointing out that Sentinel Prime is mentioned in the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' film, which counts as establishing SP's existence, so ROTF is correct. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:59, 17 February 2011 (EST)
::::::http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/Semysane/Response%20Images/748411.gif -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:59, 18 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::Sam mentions Sentinel Prime during his meltdown in the classroom in ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', thus establishing Sentinel Prime exists as a character. As the first mention of Sentinel Prime is in ''Revenge of the Fallen'', his article is as "Sentinel Prime (ROTF)". Clearer? :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:13, 18 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::Oh, I got it. I just never get enough chances to use that image. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:33, 18 February 2011 (EST)
:I get that it's established wiki policy to always go with the earliest whatever, but it's very confusing to all but the most hardcore and observant RotF viewers and wiki editors (sorry for the redundancy there). In DotM he was the major plot-driving character voiced by an actor with decades of Transformers association; in RotF he was about a syllable and a half of incoherent mumbling. Unlike Arcee in the first movie franchise, S.P. didn't even get a toy in RotF. For the sake of clarity and the casual browser, might his entry be attached to the film in which he actually appears? Is there perhaps a more general title, even, to indicate immediately that this article fully encompasses the one singular character throughout the Bay films' continuity family? [[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 23:02, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

== Sentinel~Vector? ==

Is it my imagination, or does Sentinel Prime bear a striking resemblence to Vector Prime?--[[User:Cydra|Cydra]] 01:48, 13 February 2011 (EST)
:Definitely your imagination. [[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 05:49, 18 February 2011 (EST)
::I see the resemblance mostly in those enormous shoulders. Beyond that, not really much of a resemblance. --[[User:Kaymac192|Kaymac192]] 11:35, 3 March 2011 (EST)
::: Indeed. He more resembles RID Prime. [[Special:Contributions/96.247.85.33|96.247.85.33]] 00:16, 22 March 2011 (EDT)

== Sentinel Prime in Empire magazine. ==

How should we mention [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/375241-sentinel-optimus-uk-empire-cover.html these images?] --[[User:Kaymac192|Kaymac192]] 11:42, 3 March 2011 (EST)

== Caption ==

Live-action Hyper Goldfish? WTF is that?--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 13:51, 6 March 2011 (EST)
:The Japanese version of Optimus Prime (RID) had a voice chip that sounded to some people as if it were saying "Hyper Goldfish Golfball". The Leader class Sentinel Prime looks something like the RID Prime, and is from a live action movie. Thus, Live-action Hyper Goldfish. I would recommend a crosslink in the caption, but some people hate those with an unreasoning passion. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:00, 6 March 2011 (EST)

== Alpha Trion caption ==

How does it not work anymore?--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 13:15, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
:Personally, I don't see why it ever worked in the first place. --[[Special:Contributions/81.164.209.246|81.164.209.246]] 13:24, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
::It never did, no. It was never an Alpha Trion homage redeco. It was just heavily-airbrushed enough to look purpleish. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:25, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
:::I think that was the joke (such as it was) that there's "already" an Alpha Trion redeco due to the purple nature of the image, which, at the time, was the only stock photo of that toy. Anyway, I replaced the photo because the colours were pretty damn wrong. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:35, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== Two different Speed Stars Bumbebee two packs ==

Hey, why are there two slightly different Bumblebee Speed Stars two packs. [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/shop/details.cfm?R=69D4438D-5056-900B-1000-7E6F6EA5EAE9:en_US Item 29596] and [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/shop/details.cfm?R=6EDC5079-5056-900B-10F1-6428DAB7F112:en_US item 29588]? The package art is even slightly different. Both should be listed, right? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:41, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== Three sayings on the Leader toy? ==

Er... there must be something I'm doing wrong, then.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 02:05, 18 May 2011 (EDT)
:You have to put a MechTach weapon in his shoulder peg hole to hear them.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 16:12, 19 May 2011 (EDT)
::Just tried it out and it's apparently true. Still, I'm pretty sure the article should mention that little feature and how to ''enable'' it... [[Special:Contributions/58.69.69.194|58.69.69.194]] 21:43, 21 May 2011 (EDT)

== Minor design flaw? ==

On mine, it looks like the left heel pieces don't seem to line up correctly, and as such don't snap together right. Is anyone else having this issue? -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 11:07, 23 May 2011 (EDT)

== We need to make this a featured. ==

Any way we could come together and finish his fiction sections and whatnot? I think it's important this page is our featured this coming month, like The Fallen was for the last movie. I'm pretty okay with just promoting it anyway once July starts, even if there's some stuff left out. It just needs a spotlight. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:05, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

== Spoilers on Sentinel. ==

Okay, I haven't seen the movie yet, but I have seen spoilers, and there is one question I have that could seriously spoil for anyone, so be warned: <span style="background:black;"> Should we consider Sentinel a Decepticon?</span> -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 15:58, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
: No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:01, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
::<span style="background:black;">My memory may be fuzzy, but doesn't he call himself a Decepticon once they take over Chicago? Or does he keep calling himself an Autobot?</span>[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 17:13, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
:::<span style="background:black;">Sentinel makes a point of slapping Megatron around when he tries talking like they're all a happy family, so...no.</span>[[User:ShinRa Actual|ShinRa Actual]] 18:05, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
::::I've noticed this news actually spread on this site already (Shockwave's page pretty much blows it). Should we remove instances that we see so not to spoil the film just yet [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 10:11, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

== Caption request ==

When we start adding screenshots from the movie, can one of them use <span style="background:black;">"This is the one where Spock goes crazy."</span>?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 13:14, 1 July 2011 (EDT)
:"Goes nuts." And once the movie's been seen by more people, maybe in a week or two, that quote is TOTALLY going up at the top of the DOTM film article, same place as last movie's "I will have my revenge!" It sums up the movie pretty much the best. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:17, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

== Jerk ==

Could we mention (perhaps in a caption) that as a turncoat, this actully makes him a bigger jerk than his Animated counterpart, which I thought was impossible.[[User:Burnout|Burnout]] 17:39, 2 July 2011 (EDT)
:That joke was tired two years ago.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 21:08, 4 July 2011 (EDT)
Hey, I thought he was BIG jerk too.(Never seen the movie though.)
Maybe Sentinel(TFA) wanted to get revenge on Optimus(TFA).
So, he decided to get a role on Dark of the Moon.
His audition was successful. All he needed to do was change his alternate mode to make sure nobody knew it was him.
When the moment was right he could get revenge on Optimus(For stealing his fifteen stellar cycles of fame).
However,on set he was killed. And it was caught on film!
Let's just say there is more than meets the eye with Sentinel.

== Back Kibble ==
What exactly are those things? I swear in parts of the movie, they wiggled as if some kind of flexible cape or tank-treads.. what part of the vehicle do they correspond to?
:On the Leader Class toy, the kibble hanging off his back in robot mode (which, I agree, looks like a cape of some kind) becomes the side panels of his vehicle mode. [[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 22:42, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

== About the Genesis Caption... ==

I don't get it...can anyone explain?[[User:Kaine852|Kaine852]] 00:29, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
:It's a line from Mr. Spock in Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan. Spock was played by Leonard Nimoy, who voiced Sentinel Prime. I'm more curious about why it's used on two different images. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:44, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

Sentinel Prime (ROTF)

2011-07-11T02:50:23Z

Bobcat2022: /* Leader Class toys */ Sentinel Prime has a really large amount of 5mm ports.

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:''Sentinel Prime is an [[Autobot]] from the [[live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:SentinelPrimeDOTMpromo.jpg|300px|thumb|What does Spock need with a starship?]]

'''Sentinel Prime''' hails from an older time, when [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] was the galaxy's crown jewel, and the [[Transformer]] race was full of promise and potential. The only known remaining [[Prime (rank)|Prime]], he personified what a leader should be: wise, compassionate, and a more than worthy warrior. Revered by both Autobot and Decepticon, few would dare stand against his shield and [[Primax Blade]].

But when Sentinel was presumably lost forever on board the [[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]], [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], his hand-picked successor, was left to fill his void. The loss of Sentinel signaled the end of Cybertron's golden age, and the planet spiraled deeper into war. Some who recall Sentinel's reign bitterly remember when Transformers were masters of their fate, rather than scattered to the stars and living as exiles.

==Fiction==
===IDW live-action film comics===
[[Image:Foundation1-SentinelPrimeaword.jpg|left|thumb|225px|"That word is ''fart''."]]
Sentinel Prime was a direct descendant of the first Cybertronian, [[Primus]], and was believed to be the last of the [[Prime (rank)|Primes]]. He told tales to his much younger Cybertronian brethren of how the [[Dynasty of Primes]] had called upon a legendary artifact, the star-powered [[AllSpark]], to give life to their world. But the AllSpark had been lost to history, and their world had tumbled through the cosmos without a star to orbit for eons. Sentinel Prime had plans to rectify this, and he gathered followers who believed in his path to a new age of life on Cybertron. With the help of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]], [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], and their legions, they searched the planet for the legendary artifact and a way to power it. However, there were the [[Thetacon (tribe)|Thetacons]], a tribe of separatist Transformers who disbelieved in Sentinel Prime's vision, and warred against him and his followers. This conflict ended when, with the help of [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack]], a sun to orbit was brought to Cybertron, and the AllSpark discovered and energized.

[[Image:Foundation1 freedom.jpg|right|225px|thumb|]]

Though Sentinel Prime had finally returned the forgotten concept of "freedom" back to Cybertron, he felt he no longer had a part in its path to the future. He was old and tired, and spoke in confidence to Optimus, believing that young Autobot was also part of the Prime lineage and requesting that he take on the mantle of leadership. Though Optimus was too humble to accept, not believing Sentinel's claims about his heritage, Megatron overheard their conversation and became jealous of his "brother." {{storylink|Foundation issue 1|Foundation #1}} Sentinel formulated another plan for Cybertron's future: it would be governed by Optimus's [[Science Division]] and Megatron's [[Defense Force]]. By having Optimus investigate the remains of the Primes' civilization, it would encourage him to believe in his lineage. {{storylink|Foundation issue 2|Foundation #2}}

Alas, after two generations of successful shared leadership, Megatron fell under the sway of [[The Fallen]], and reshaped his Defense Force as the [[Decepticon]]s, declaring war on Cybertron. Sentinel Prime was at the archaeological dig in Simfur when the first strike took place, and was quick to opt for a technique of self-preservation, rather than attempting to save the Science Division's work. Optimus soon arrived to fend the Decepticons off, and revealed that his studies had proven the truth of Sentinel's words: he was indeed a descendant of the Primes. He did not believe that this made him a born leader, but Sentinel impressed upon Optimus the necessity that he take up command of the [[Autobot]]s, that Cybertron might be saved from Megatron's destructive ambitions.

[[Image:Foundation3 sentinels torch.jpg|left|thumb|"Jim... I am, and forever shall be, your friend."]]

As time passed, and the war rolled on with no signs of stopping, Sentinel invented a mysterious "torch" that he promised would end the war. {{storylink|Foundation issue 3|Foundation #3}} The torch had to be brought into contact with the AllSpark to be activated, so the Autobots launched an attack on the Simfur temple to carry out this action while Sentinel stood by with a spacecraft, the [[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]], to await delivery of the active torch. [[Elita-One (Movie)|Elita One]] soon returned with the torch, at which point Sentinel instructed Wheeljack to take the [[Ark (Movie)|second Ark]] and collect the remaining Autobots from [[Tyger Pax]], while he himself headed to Simfur to collect Optimus's forces. Upon arrival at Simfur, however, Sentinel's Ark was attacked by [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], and was consumed by a huge explosion, leaving all present to believe it, Sentinel, and all aboard had been destroyed. {{storylink|Foundation issue 4|Foundation #4}}

In actuality, Sentinel's Ark had not been vaporized as believed: it had been teleported away by the [[space bridge]] technology it was outfitted with. With all hands knocked into stasis by the explosion, the ship automatically jinked through space and time on a series of random space bridge jumps, until at last, its sensors locked on to the energy of the AllSpark, which had since been ejected from Cybertron and had crash-landed on the planet [[Earth]]. On its penultimate jump, the Ark crossed paths with the Decepticon ship ''[[Nemesis (ROTF)|Nemesis]]'', which had departed Cybertron just as the war was beginning, and was now also following the AllSpark's trail. The Ark materialized from its jump into the same physical space as the ''Nemesis'', crippling both ships beyond repair; the Ark made one final bridge jump, reappearing in the immediate vicinity of Earth in 1962, where it crashed violently onto Earth's [[moon (moon)|Moon]]. All the Autobots aboard perished save for Sentinel himself, who was in the crash vault and remained slumbering in stasis. {{storylink|Convergence chapter 1|Convergence chapter 1}}
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===''Revenge of the Fallen'' film===
When [[Sam Witwicky]] launched into a rambling lecture on the nature of space and time while in a trance brought on by the knowledge of the AllSpark entering his mind, he recalled Sentinel Prime's "expedition" to find Cybertron a new sun, commenting that it took "fourteen galactic convergences" to get an echo. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

===Titan Magazines ''Dark of the Moon'' prequels===

Sentinel is a direct descendant of [[Primus]], the first Cybertronian, and one of the last surviving Primes. With a firm but just hand, he ruled the Autobots before the war. During the war, he named Optimus his successor (wait so who was in charge before then??) before departing on a mission into deep space, only for his ship to be shot down by enemy fire...

But his Ark merely crashed somewhere near Earth in 1962, a fragment of it landing in Fiesole, [[Italy]]. When a human discovered it in 2011, [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] and [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] tried to prevent the Autobots from getting that fragment and finding their way to the lost Ark. The Autobots finding Sentinel was ''not'' an option for Starscream and the concept unnerved him, while an ominous narrator told us the fragment had the power to make martyrs of the good and bad alike... {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 3.1|Fight for Fiesole}}

===''Dark of the Moon'' film===
:''Voice actor'': [[Leonard Nimoy]] (English), [[Arturo Casanova]] (Latin American Spanish)
{{spoiler|Dark of the Moon (film)|July 29, 2011}}

{{bigquote|So lost are you, Optimus. On Cybertron we were gods. And here... here they call us "machines."}}

Long ago, during the war on Cybertron, a heated battle erupted around the [[Ark (DOTM)|''Ark'']], a shuttle commandeered by Sentinel Prime and a small crew, which carried a special, secret cargo that Sentinel claimed would end the war. However, the shuttle was hit in battle, disappeared, and presumed lost forever. In [[1962]], the ''Ark'' hit [[Earth]]'s [[moon (moon)|moon]], crashing there, and its impact was detected by [[NASA]]. This event inspired the [[United States of America]]'s eventual first trip to the moon in [[1969]], which was secretly an attempt to inspect the crashed alien ship. Though NASA astronauts would make a handful of trips to the moon in the next few years, none would stumble upon the ''Ark''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> crash vault, which contained Sentinel Prime's comatose body and a small fraction of his secret cargo.

In order for Sentinal to be revived, the Decepticons wanted the Autobots, and particularly Optimus Prime, to discover Sentinel's existence on the moon. The United States government had classified the moon missions' real purpose, even from the Autobots, and so information was leaked through a human associate of [[Laserbeak (DOTM)|Laserbeak]] to Col. [[William Lennox]]. Optimus Prime and a [[NEST]] team traveled to the ruins of [[Chernobyl]] where Optimus located and identified a piece of technology from the missing ''Ark''. After retrieving the ''Ark'' piece, he confronted the US government for hiding this information from him, and subsequently traveled to the moon with [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] to find and retrieve Sentinel Prime.

With Sentinel Prime's comatose body returned successfully to NEST's headquarters, along with five "pillars," Optimus Prime used his [[Matrix of Leadership]] to return Sentinel Prime to operational stasis. Disoriented, Sentinel attacked Optimus, pushing him to the ground and shoving his [[Primax blade|blade]] near his face, and after some worried protests from Optimus, Sentinel finally realized his surroundings and disengaged. Optimus tried to further console his predecessor with news that they had also recovered the five pillars that were in the crash vault with him, but Sentinel grew further frustrated, as there should have been hundreds of them. Sentinel explained that the pillars were the anchors of a new [[space bridge]] technology that he had intended to use to bring resources back to Cybertron to replenish it. National Security Director [[Charlotte Mearing]] did not like this idea at all, and announced her intent to take possession of these pillars, as they could be used to bring an army to Earth to destroy it. Sentinel did not like being condescended to by the human. The technology was his, and the humans had no right to it.

[[Image:DOTM-SentinelOptimusMatrix.jpg|left|thumb|300px|'''Sentinel''': Optimus Prime, you must understand that the needs of the many outweigh that of the few. <br> '''Optimus''': Sentinel, why are you copying Spock from ''Star Trek''? <br> '''Sentinel''': Uhhhhm, no reason, Optimus...]]

Optimus gave Sentinel a tour of Earth, culminating in a view of a sunset. Sentinel marveled at the beauty and the liveliness of the planet as it reminded him of Cybertron in its prime. Optimus took this moment to offer Sentinel back the Matrix of Leadership, believing Sentinel to deserve it more. But Sentinel refused it, as Sentinel was only more experienced long ago on Cybertron, while this new world of Earth was unfamiliar to him.

The Autobots' young human ally, [[Sam Witwicky]] found evidence that led him to believe that the Decepticons possessed the the missing pillars and would be coming after Sentinel Prime since they needed him to activate the technology. In an attempt to shield Sentinel from the Decepticons, several Autobots escorted Sentinel Prime back to NEST headquarters. [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] and the others successfully fended off a [[Dread (subgroup)|team of Decepticons]], but once Sentinel reached their destination, he unveiled a terrible truth. He had been secretly (and reluctantly) working with Megatron for centuries, and the space bridge was technology Sentinel had created so that he and the Decepticons could bring Earth's resources back to Cybertron so that they could rebuild their dead homeworld. But as both Megatron and Sentinel Prime had ended up in stasis for centuries, this secret plan had gone waylaid... until now, after the Decepticons and their human allies had conspired to lead Optimus Prime to the moon where he could retrieve and revive his predecessor for them.

Sentinel punctuated his bombshell by shooting Ironhide in the back repeatedly with his [[cosmic rust]] weapon. As Ironhide crumbled away, Sentinel fired at Bumblebee as well, though the scout was able to dodge his blasts. Sentinel dove into NEST headquarters, tore the place apart, and retrieved the five remaining pillars from the compound's vault. As Megatron arrived in truck mode from his exile in [[Africa]], Sentinel Prime set up a small space bridge portal on the Reflecting Pool facing the [[Lincoln Memorial]]. As troops hidden on the Moon began to burst through the portal and scan local vehicle forms, Optimus Prime interrupted Sentinel's work with an angry tackle. Optimus demanded an explanation for Sentinel's betrayal, and Sentinel responded that Optimus never had the resolve to make the tough choices, and that Earth must be sacrificed for Cybertron to be reborn. Sentinel left Optimus to stew in his anger, telling his former protege that he was lucky Sentinel left him alive.

Speaking to the [[United Nations]], Sentinel demanded that the "Autobot rebels" be expelled from Earth and that he and the Decepticons be able to take what resources from Earth they required. The humans had no choice but to agree, and the [[Xantium (DOTM)|''Xantium'']] was launched with Earth's remaining 11 Autobots inside... though [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] was waiting in orbit to blast the shuttle to bits, and the Autobots were seemingly destroyed.

Decepticons around the world began positioning the pillars precisely according to Sentinel's instructions as the first brunt of the Decepticons' assault began in [[Chicago]]. Sentinel had chosen a tall, domed building in Chicago's downtown as the focal point of the space bridge. Megatron joined him on the roof of this building, and the Decepticon leader began to glow about their partnership. Sentinel, however, felt his partner was getting too chummy, and violently reminded Megatron of his place. Sentinel did not work ''for'' Megatron, Megatron worked for ''Sentinel''. Megatron was shoved off the building into the street below.

Sentinel and the Decepticons succeeded in occupying Chicago, but the Autobots, who had managed to survive their apparent destruction through subterfuge, arrived in the city to take it back and destroy the space bridge technology. Sentinel activated the space bridge, and a large portal opened in space above Earth, through which the massive planet Cybertron began to travel. After defeating most of the Decepticon forces, the Autobots caught Sentinel Prime's attention, and their former leader descended from his building perch to battle Optimus Prime. After a prolonged fight, and the removal of one of Optimus's arms, it became obvious that Sentinel was the more powerful of the two.

Before Sentinel could deliver the killing blow, however, he came under attack by Megatron, who had been goaded into action by Sam's girlfriend [[Carly Spencer]]. Megatron realized how far he had fallen in power within the past few years, and had decided to once again take his rightful place at the top of the command chain. Sentinel was taken by surprise and amassed critical damage. Though this action by Megatron saved Optimus's life, the Autobot leader refused Megatron's offer of a truce and killed his seemingly eternal foe, leaving Optimus and Sentinel alone once more. Finally Sentinel seemed to understand how far he himself had also fallen, and apologized for betraying the Autobots. Optimus countered that Sentinel had more importantly betrayed himself and his professed ideals, and as his former mentor cried for mercy, Optimus executed him with Megatron's gun.

Optimus Prime threw down the weapon in disgust.
{{storylink|Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}

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==Toys==
===Dark of the Moon===
====Cyberverse====
[[Image:DOTM_CyberverseCommander_SentinelPrime_toy.jpg|thumb|300px|Prime 3:16!]]
*'''Sentinel Prime''' (Cyberverse Commander, 2011)
**''Series''
**''Number:''
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''CV05'''
**''Accessories:'' Primax blade, shield

:Sentinel Prime is in the first wave of [[Dark of the Moon (toyline)|''Dark of the Moon'']] ''[[Cyberverse]]'' Commander Class toys. He transforms from a Rosenbauer Panther 6x6 airport fire truck to robot and back.

:On some (early?) Sentinels, the Rosenbauer logo on the right side of the truck is reversed.
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*'''Dark Sentinel Prime''' (Cyberverse Commander, 2011)
**''Series''
**''Number:''
**''Japanese ID number:''
**''Accessories:'' Primax blade, shield

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====Voyager Class toys====
[[Image:DOTMtoy-SentinelPrimeVoyager.jpg|right|thumb|300px|There's no fire? There ''will'' be!]]
*'''Sentinel Prime''' (MechTech Voyager, 2011)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''DA20'''
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Boom Lift/[[Fusion Cannon]]

:Sentinel Prime is in the third wave of ''Dark of the Moon'' ''[[MechTech]]'' Voyagers. He converts from a Rosenbauer Panther 6x6 airport fire truck to robot and back. With the pull of a lever, his vehicle mode water cannon becomes a MechTech weapon.

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====Leader Class toys====
[[Image:DOTMtoy-SentinelPrimeMechtechLeader.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Live-action hyper goldfish!]]
*'''Sentinel Prime''' (MechTech Leader, 2011)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''DA02'''
**''Accessories:'' Primax Blade, MechTech Shield/Bladed Blaster

:[[MechTech]] Leader Class Sentinel Prime converts from a Rosenbauer Panther 6x6 airport fire truck to robot and back! In vehicle mode, he features a rotating, extending firefighting boom arm, a small flip-up nozzle on the front fender, and siren lights and sounds, activated by a small grey button on the roof of the cabin. Sentinel's double-bladed Primax Blade stores underneath the grey panels forming the roof of much of the vehicle, while the MechTech shield is stored under the truck. There are two [[5mm post]] hole MechTech ports in this mode; the one on the right hand side of the vehicle has a button inside, that when pushed in (by plugging in a MechTech weapon), activates a weapon sound effect. Removing the MechTech weapon activates a transformation sound effect. A Stealth Force-style attack vehicle mode can be formed by opening panels on the rearward sides of the vehicle to expose hidden weapons and two more MechTech ports, activating the MechTech Shield's Bladed Blaster mode (by pressing the large panel on it marked by the [[Cyberglyphics]]) and attaching that to the vehicle MechTech ports, and clipping the Primax Blade's handle into the two tabs on top of the Shield/Bladed Blaster's turret.

:In robot mode, when the button on Sentinel Prime's chest is pushed, his eyes light up, his chin moves and he says "I am Sentinel Prime!" Two more phrases, "Good to see you alive, Optimus." and "What has happened to the [[AllSpark]]?" are heard when a weapon is inserted into the MechTech port with the button inside of it and the chest button pushed. Unfortunately, the [[Canada|Canadian]] release only says "Sentinel Prime" because of language laws. The siren lights and sounds can still be activated by pressing the grey button back and to the left of Sentinel Prime's head.

:In this mode, Sentinel has four more 5mm MechTech ports: one each on either shoulder and one each on either forearm. If that's still not enough, the screw holes under his wrists can accommodate 5mm weapons as well, for a total of eight weapons beyond those included with the figure. The Primax Blade and Shield can both be held via their respective handles in either of Sentinel's articulated hands; the shield can also be plugged into the MechTech port in Sentinel's forearms.

:The Japanese release comes packed with a character card and an accompanying transparent plastic card of his MechTech weapon for the MechTech Wars online game.
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==Merchandise==
===Speed Stars===
====Mini Changers====
[[Image:SpeedStars_StealthForce_MiniChangers_Bumblebee&SentinelPrime.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Stealth Force Bumblebee & Sentinel Prime''' (2011)

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[[Image:SpeedStars_StealthForce_MiniChangers_Sideswipe&SentinelPrime.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Stealth Force Sideswipe & Sentinel Prime''' (2011)

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==Notes==
[[Image:DOTM-SentinelPrimetrailer.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Jim, you left me on Genesis. Why did you do that?]]

{{quote|Sentinel Prime is great. He's great...I can't tell you anything else, other than he's great.|Michael Bay<ref>[http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1657670/michael-bay-transformers-dark-of-the-moon.jhtml Interview at MTV]</ref>}}

*In an early draft of ''[[Transformers (2007)|Transformers]]'', time stops as [[Sam Witwicky]] falls down the building [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] smashed, and Sentinel appears to him via the [[AllSpark]]. Sentinel would've clarified the history of the war and the relationship between Optimus and Megatron (when the writers intended them to be siblings) and given him a clue to defeating Megatron with the Cube.<ref>[http://badflipblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/tf1-amblin.html Blog post] from [[Ken Christiansen]].</ref>

*Call sheets for ''Dark of the Moon'' referred to Sentinel Prime as '''Ultra Magnus'''.<ref>[http://tilallaremine.wordpress.com/2011/07/01/dark-of-the-moon-call-sheets/ Dark of the Moon Call Sheets! at Til All Are Mine blog.]</ref><ref>[http://www.joshnizzi.com/TF3.htm joshnizzi.com]</ref>

*In the debut trailer for the film ''[[Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]'', Sentinel Prime is seen in a gold and silver color scheme. This shot was redone for the movie proper, and he consistently appears red throughout the film.

*In ''Dark of the Moon'', Sentinel Prime says "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." Leonard Nimoy said the same line in the 1982 film ''[[Wikipedia:Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan|Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan]]'' as [[Spock]], in one of several Star Trek references in the movie.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Sentinel Prime''' (センチネル・プライム ''Senchineru Puraimu'')

==References==
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[[Category:Cyberverse]]
[[Category:Dark of the Moon Autobots]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen Autobots]]

Talk:Sentinel Prime (ROTF)

2011-07-11T02:42:17Z

Bobcat2022: Answered question on back kibble

Do you have a quote of Sentinel being specifically mentioned in the comic? I don't remember anything past the uni scene. While the original thirteen were killed by the Fallen in the comic and novel, there's nothing to confirm Sentinel wasn't a descendant like Optimus. Again, correct me if I'm wrong[[User:Eire]] 20.14 Oct 12 09 (UTC)
:"See, if you break down the elemental components of energon and assume a constant decay rate then extrapolate for each of the fourteen galactic convergences it took '''''Sentinel Prime's''''' expedition to get an echo you end up with a formula for inter-dimensional energy that mass and light alone can't '''''possibly''''' explain." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:28, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
::Erm ok, thanks for the quote Starfield, anyway, Jetfire explained in the adaptations that The Fallen returned to Cybertron, after the battle with the first generation for Earth, slaughtering all the Primes except for the child hidden from him (Optimus). Unless Sentinel is revealed to be alive in TF3, which is unlikely considering this was not mentioned in the final edit of ROTF, then he probably died because of The Fallen. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 17:57, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Starfield, I actually wanted the answer Alientraveller gave. I'm well aware of Sentinel's existence in the movieverse, but I just couldn't remember a reference in issue 3 [[User:Eire]]

::"the fourteen galactic convergences it took '''the''' Sentinel Prime expedition to"
::"The", and no possessive.
::Look, '''I''' think it's the leader of the 7/12/13 too... but the phrasing in the movie itself (which I just checked on, er... Youtube) '''isn't''' clear-cut enough to even say for certain that Sentinel Prime is an individual-- let alone that he's one of the 12! The phrasing is just... ambiguous, and the timeline is a godawful mess thanks to ROTF's 17,000 years retcon, and questions of whether the 13 in the movie are '''the''' 13 or not. (They're not. I mean... the movie fucking cut them down to 7. But until something official comes through to make it certain... it's just a collosal brain-ache that makes logical inference almost impossible.)
::Now... I ''thought'' that something... (a book or video game?) mentioned movieverse Sentinel Prime in a clearer light, but if so... it was around the time we were swamped with new stuff, and the ref never got documented. Does this sound familiar to anyone else?
::I have checked the following sources, and they do '''not''' mention Sentinel Prime in a helpful manner:
::*ROTF novelization (quote same as movie, with an added bit at the end. Nothing from Jetfire's history lesson or the Infinite White.)
::*The Movie Universe guidebook. No mention of Sentinel Prime by name
::-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:59, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
:::The first time I heard Sentinel mentioned was in the movie. And the Sentinel Prime expedition. You'd be forgiven for presuming, and really there's no reason not too, it was named after the Prime in charge. And given the massively different origin of the Primes in the movie compared to the adaptations, it seems again logical that he's simple a predecessor of Optimus, not one of the original Primes. There is some assumptions being made, however they are logical assumptions. IF you're concerned, throw in a note at the bottom. Personally, I think it's a bit of an assumption that Sentinel in the comics is one of the original Primes, but I can see why AT put it the way he did [[User:Eire]] 13.35 Oct 13 09 (UTC)

== Fannon ==

I'm '''really''' uncomfortable witht he ammoutn of assumptions and made-up shit on this page. The cited blog post ''does'' establish Sentinel Prime to be a character-- but it doesn't ''in any way'' say he's Prime and Megatron's father, or that he's one of the original 12. And the storylink citing his death... Sentinel Prime's name isn't even MENTIONED in that issue! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:37, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
:I'm just going to risk my life here and say "Is this Shattered Glass Derik speaking?" --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:51, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

== Move to (DOTM)? ==

Should we move this to "Sentinel Prime (DOTM)"? We moved "Soundwave (Movie)" to [[Soundwave (ROTF)]], ignoring when he was mentioned by Starscream in the UK magazine for the first film. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 15:03, 11 February 2011 (EST)
:An offhand mention in the freaking UK mag letters page is not exactly the same thing as Sentinel's existence being firmly established in the Revenge of the Fallen film. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:18, 11 February 2011 (EST)
::The Lord Of All Cheeses thirds the motion.
::- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 10:25 PM, 15 February 2011 A.D.
:::Thirds what motion? We have one person on each side so far. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 01:42, 16 February 2011 (EST)
::::I'm saying this page ought to be moved. '''Alientraveler''' proposed the idea. '''Detour''' seems to be saying this guy shouldn't be in ROTF (unless I misinterpreted; he seems to say "a mention in a UK comic's letters page doesn't count as Sentinel's existence in ROTF"). '''My vote''' makes a three.
::::- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 9:48 PM, February 2011 A.D.
:::::Detour is pointing out that Sentinel Prime is mentioned in the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' film, which counts as establishing SP's existence, so ROTF is correct. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:59, 17 February 2011 (EST)
::::::http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/Semysane/Response%20Images/748411.gif -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:59, 18 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::Sam mentions Sentinel Prime during his meltdown in the classroom in ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', thus establishing Sentinel Prime exists as a character. As the first mention of Sentinel Prime is in ''Revenge of the Fallen'', his article is as "Sentinel Prime (ROTF)". Clearer? :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:13, 18 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::Oh, I got it. I just never get enough chances to use that image. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:33, 18 February 2011 (EST)

== Sentinel~Vector? ==

Is it my imagination, or does Sentinel Prime bear a striking resemblence to Vector Prime?--[[User:Cydra|Cydra]] 01:48, 13 February 2011 (EST)
:Definitely your imagination. [[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 05:49, 18 February 2011 (EST)
::I see the resemblance mostly in those enormous shoulders. Beyond that, not really much of a resemblance. --[[User:Kaymac192|Kaymac192]] 11:35, 3 March 2011 (EST)
::: Indeed. He more resembles RID Prime. [[Special:Contributions/96.247.85.33|96.247.85.33]] 00:16, 22 March 2011 (EDT)

== Sentinel Prime in Empire magazine. ==

How should we mention [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/375241-sentinel-optimus-uk-empire-cover.html these images?] --[[User:Kaymac192|Kaymac192]] 11:42, 3 March 2011 (EST)

== Caption ==

Live-action Hyper Goldfish? WTF is that?--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 13:51, 6 March 2011 (EST)
:The Japanese version of Optimus Prime (RID) had a voice chip that sounded to some people as if it were saying "Hyper Goldfish Golfball". The Leader class Sentinel Prime looks something like the RID Prime, and is from a live action movie. Thus, Live-action Hyper Goldfish. I would recommend a crosslink in the caption, but some people hate those with an unreasoning passion. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:00, 6 March 2011 (EST)

== Alpha Trion caption ==

How does it not work anymore?--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 13:15, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
:Personally, I don't see why it ever worked in the first place. --[[Special:Contributions/81.164.209.246|81.164.209.246]] 13:24, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
::It never did, no. It was never an Alpha Trion homage redeco. It was just heavily-airbrushed enough to look purpleish. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:25, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
:::I think that was the joke (such as it was) that there's "already" an Alpha Trion redeco due to the purple nature of the image, which, at the time, was the only stock photo of that toy. Anyway, I replaced the photo because the colours were pretty damn wrong. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:35, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== Two different Speed Stars Bumbebee two packs ==

Hey, why are there two slightly different Bumblebee Speed Stars two packs. [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/shop/details.cfm?R=69D4438D-5056-900B-1000-7E6F6EA5EAE9:en_US Item 29596] and [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/shop/details.cfm?R=6EDC5079-5056-900B-10F1-6428DAB7F112:en_US item 29588]? The package art is even slightly different. Both should be listed, right? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:41, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== Three sayings on the Leader toy? ==

Er... there must be something I'm doing wrong, then.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 02:05, 18 May 2011 (EDT)
:You have to put a MechTach weapon in his shoulder peg hole to hear them.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 16:12, 19 May 2011 (EDT)
::Just tried it out and it's apparently true. Still, I'm pretty sure the article should mention that little feature and how to ''enable'' it... [[Special:Contributions/58.69.69.194|58.69.69.194]] 21:43, 21 May 2011 (EDT)

== Minor design flaw? ==

On mine, it looks like the left heel pieces don't seem to line up correctly, and as such don't snap together right. Is anyone else having this issue? -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 11:07, 23 May 2011 (EDT)

== We need to make this a featured. ==

Any way we could come together and finish his fiction sections and whatnot? I think it's important this page is our featured this coming month, like The Fallen was for the last movie. I'm pretty okay with just promoting it anyway once July starts, even if there's some stuff left out. It just needs a spotlight. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:05, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

== Spoilers on Sentinel. ==

Okay, I haven't seen the movie yet, but I have seen spoilers, and there is one question I have that could seriously spoil for anyone, so be warned: <span style="background:black;"> Should we consider Sentinel a Decepticon?</span> -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 15:58, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
: No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:01, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
::<span style="background:black;">My memory may be fuzzy, but doesn't he call himself a Decepticon once they take over Chicago? Or does he keep calling himself an Autobot?</span>[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 17:13, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
:::<span style="background:black;">Sentinel makes a point of slapping Megatron around when he tries talking like they're all a happy family, so...no.</span>[[User:ShinRa Actual|ShinRa Actual]] 18:05, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
::::I've noticed this news actually spread on this site already (Shockwave's page pretty much blows it). Should we remove instances that we see so not to spoil the film just yet [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 10:11, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

== Caption request ==

When we start adding screenshots from the movie, can one of them use <span style="background:black;">"This is the one where Spock goes crazy."</span>?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 13:14, 1 July 2011 (EDT)
:"Goes nuts." And once the movie's been seen by more people, maybe in a week or two, that quote is TOTALLY going up at the top of the DOTM film article, same place as last movie's "I will have my revenge!" It sums up the movie pretty much the best. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:17, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

== Jerk ==

Could we mention (perhaps in a caption) that as a turncoat, this actully makes him a bigger jerk than his Animated counterpart, which I thought was impossible.[[User:Burnout|Burnout]] 17:39, 2 July 2011 (EDT)
:That joke was tired two years ago.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 21:08, 4 July 2011 (EDT)
Hey, I thought he was BIG jerk too.(Never seen the movie though.)
Maybe Sentinel(TFA) wanted to get revenge on Optimus(TFA).
So, he decided to get a role on Dark of the Moon.
His audition was successful. All he needed to do was change his alternate mode to make sure nobody knew it was him.
When the moment was right he could get revenge on Optimus(For stealing his fifteen stellar cycles of fame).
However,on set he was killed. And it was caught on film!
Let's just say there is more than meets the eye with Sentinel.

== Back Kibble ==
What exactly are those things? I swear in parts of the movie, they wiggled as if some kind of flexible cape or tank-treads.. what part of the vehicle do they correspond to?
:On the Leader Class toy, the kibble hanging off his back in robot mode (which, I agree, looks like a cape of some kind) becomes the side panels of his vehicle mode. [[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 22:42, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

== About the Genesis Caption... ==

I don't get it...can anyone explain?[[User:Kaine852|Kaine852]] 00:29, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
:It's a line from Mr. Spock in Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan. Spock was played by Leonard Nimoy, who voiced Sentinel Prime. I'm more curious about why it's used on two different images. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:44, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

Bumblebee (Movie)/toys

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Bobcat2022: /* Deluxe Class toys */ corrected punctuation

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'''[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]''' is the star of a [[Live-action film series|multi-billion-dollar film franchise]]. Ergo, he gets a lot of toys and merchandise!

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===Transformers (2007)===
====Legends Class toys====
[[Image:Bumblebeemovielegends.jpg|right|300px|thumb|It's not a fiesta with racing stripes... it's a fiesta OF racing stripes!]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Legends Class, 2007)
**''Japanese name:'' '''EZ Collection Bumblebee'''

: Legends Bumblebee transforms into a yellow 1976 Chevrolet Camaro. Being a highly simplified toy of a highly complex design, Legends-class Bumblebee does not replicate the appearance of the robot mode very well, and has very limited articulation, detail and paint application. On the other hand, he's pocket-sized and inexpensive, perfect for the younger set. The toy has a sculpted rear window, but it's not painted like the other windows. instead, the racing stripes extend over them.

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*'''Optimus Prime bonus pack''' (Costco exclusive multi-pack, 2007)

:A Costco exclusive special pack of Leader Class Optimus Prime with Legends Class Bumblebee and [[Jazz (Movie)|Autobot Jazz]] as bonus figures. None of the three toys is changed from their respective original releases.

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[[Image:Movie Allspark Legends pack.jpg|right|300px|thumb|The classic G1 cast...plus Barricade.]]
*'''Battle for the Allspark''' (Toys'R'Us exclusive multi-pack, 2007)

: A Toys'R'Us exclusive, this six-pack of Legends class figures contains unmodified toys of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]], Bumblebee, [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] and [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]].

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*'''Bumblebee Scanning Ver.''' (''Hyper Hobby'' magazine exclusive EZ Collection variant, 2007)

: A Japanese-exclusive version of the Legends Bumblebee toy, "scanning version" Bumblebee uses transparent plastics for his yellow parts. He was available as a mail-order item from ''Hyper Hobby'' magazine in September of 2007.

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[[Image:Melltallic Bumblebee.jpg|right|300px|thumb|You know you know you want me]]
*'''Metallic Bumblebee''' (Tsutaya Records exclusive EZ collection variant, 2007)

: This Japanese metallic repaint of Legends class Bumblebee is an exclusive included with purchase of the Movie DVD at Tsutaya Records.

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[[Image:Movie Legends Bumblebee Scorponok toys.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Bee stings.]]
*'''Bumblebee vs. Scorponok''' (Legends Allspark Battles two-pack, 2008)

: As part of the ''AllSpark Battles'' Legends two-packs, a slightly redecoed Legends class Bumblebee, now sporting "battle damage" paint applications, comes with an all-new Legends [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]] figure.

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====Deluxe Class toys====
[[Image:Bumblebeemovietoydeluxe67.jpg|right|300px|thumb|These used cars are fully loaded!]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Deluxe Class Classic Camaro, 2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MA-03'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 projectiles

: The first Deluxe Class version of Movie Bumblebee transforms into a yellow [[wikipedia:Second-generation_Chevrolet_Camaro|1976 Chevrolet Camaro]] with a quite reasonable level of sculpted detail. In contrast to the other Deluxe-class car Transformers in the Movie toyline, he does not have clear windows, instead opting for opaque yellow plastic with painted metallic blue.

: Bumblebee is armed with two shoulder-mounted spring-loaded missile launchers (inspired by the shoulder-mounted missile launchers he uses to fight Brawl/Devastator in the movie), which also double as hand-held weapons or can be mounted on ports on the undersides of his elbows. His legs and chest [[Automorph]] during transformation.

: The initial release of the toy featured even tabs for the Automorph gimmick; oddly, Hasbro later decided to [[retool]] the feature so the tab would be uneven.<ref>[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=29613 Original Allspark thread about the retool of Bumblebee's Automorph gimmick]</ref> This resulted in many reported cases of the tab snapping during transformation. Press the button or you'll break him. Seriously. The retooled Automorph gimmick would be used for all subsequent versions of the mold, including the Japanese ones, and the breakage problem wouldn't be fixed until the UK exclusive "Towed to Safety" two-pack and the Target exclusive "Evolution of a Hero" two-pack.

[[Image:Movie Deluxe 1974 Bumblebee JPtoy.jpg|left|300px|thumb|Never seen so much translucent plastic in all my life.]]
: Packaging photos and early [[Prototype|test shots]] of Hasbro's Bumblebee featured transparent blue plastic windows and missile parts. However, the final Hasbro production toy has opaque yellow plastic. The Japanese [[TakaraTomy]] release of Bumblebee retains the transparent blue plastic parts, with yellow paint for the outer car shell. As a consequence, the missiles, which are on the same sprue, are also made of clear blue plastic, just like the early prototype seen in the Hasbro stock photos for the toy. He also uses the retooled version of the mold with the fixed [[Automorph]] gimmick.

The packaging used for the Japanese toy is the same as for the Hasbro version, with the exception of additional stickers identifying it as a Japanese market release.

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[[Image:Bumblebee Barricade deluxeboxset.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"Go ahead, make my day!"]]
*'''Bumblebee vs. Barricade: First Encounter''' (Deluxe two-pack, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' 2 projectiles

: This battle pack contains the 1976 Camaro deluxe-class Bumblebee and the deluxe-class [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]]/[[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]] figures, based upon their confrontation as seen in the movie. The box features a diorama-style background from a movie scene, but the toys themselves are unchanged from their original carded releases.

: The set originally retailed for only slightly less than buying the two individual toys. However, for a short while, it was about the only way to ''get'' Bumblebee in the first place, thanks to the [[Movie (toyline)|toy drought]] following the movie's record-smashing opening.

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*'''Bumblebee Limited Metallic Color Version''' (Lawson exclusive Deluxe-sized Classic Camaro, TakaraTomy 2007)
**''Accessories:'' 2 projectiles

: A redeco of the Japanese version of the Classic Camaro Bumblebee mold (retaining the clear blue windows and missiles) that was exclusively available with the purchase of a ticket for the movie in Japanese Lawson stores.

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[[Image:Movie TowedtoSafety toys.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Sadly, All Spark Insurance doesn't cover towing charges.]]
*'''Towed to Safety''' (Deluxe two-pack, UK 2007)
**''Accessories:'' 2 projectiles

: This set features an unaltered Deluxe class [[Longarm (Movie)|Longarm]] figure and a Deluxe class 1976 Camaro Bumblebee figure. The window box features a diorama background of the battle in [[Mission City]] (basically the same packaging inner tray from the "Bumblebee vs. Barricade: First Encounter" pack). As is generally the case with the European releases of the Movie toys, the pictures on the front of the box show the robot-mode toys instead of an artist's depiction of their faces.

: For this two-pack, Hasbro slightly retooled Bumblebee's Automorph gimmick again, adding another small tab that finally resolved the breakage issues that had plagued the previous variation of the mold.<ref>[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=38149 Allspark thread about the second retool of Bumblebee's Automorph gimmick]</ref>

:Thus far, this pack has only been released in the United Kingdom.

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[[Image:Movie Deluxe 2009 Bumblebee toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Nu-uh! You don't want none of this!]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Deluxe Class, 2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MA-10'''
**''Accessories:'' Plasma cannon

: The second Deluxe class Bumblebee toy, which shares no parts with the previous one (even the head, despite being based on the same general design, is a different sculpt), transforms into the [[wikipedia:Fifth-generation_Chevrolet_Camaro|concept vehicle for the 2009 Chevrolet Camaro]]. Maintaining the high standard for car accuracy in the movie line, Bumblebee is very faithful to the real-life vehicle, featuring clear blue windows in contrast to the opaque windows seen in both his previous Deluxe class toy and the Ultimate Bumblebee toy.

: Bumblebee features two [[Automorph|Automorphing]] gimmicks during transformation: ''(a)'' swinging his hood down into robot mode position also moves his arms up and ''(b)'', swinging his feet down will move the rear fenders up and behind his calves, as well as swinging the rear windows to his inner calves in a spring-loaded action. Unusually, this version of Bumblebee is much more accurate to the CGI design than either the older-model Deluxe OR the Ultimate figure, with the chest properly articulating in a fairly Movie-accurate manner. He's also slightly taller than most of the other Deluxe Class figures.

: Bumblebee features a superb range of articulation, with ball joints in his shoulders, neck, torso, wrists and upper legs, with ratcheting and swivels making up the remaining joints. Instead of the rather inaccurate missile launchers from the 1976 Camaro toy, '09 Bumblebee comes with a mostly accurate version of his plasma cannon as it appears in the movie, but for added play value, it can Automorph into an energy blade by opening up the halves of the gun barrel and swinging them back. The cannon can be held in either of his hands.

: Care should be taken when removing the cannon from Bumblebee's hands, as excessive force can damage the wrist ball joint socket.

: Contrary to popular opinion, the yellow pieces on the back of Bumblebee's feet are ''not'' supposed to be heel spurs, nor have they been mis-assembled. They are supposed to fold up to emulate the detail found on the CGI design.

: A running change version of this mold adds tabs to the hip panels, which makes the vehicle mode hold together better, as well as sculpted pupils inside Bumblebee's eyes.<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=144325 TFW2005 thread about the retool for the second Deluxe Bumblebee toy]</ref> Initially this was believed to be a variant for the Japanese market; however, later shipments of the Hasbro toy featured those changes as well, as did all subsequent versions of the mold.

: This mold was also used to make "Allspark Power" [[Cliffjumper (Movie)|Cliffjumper]].

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[[Image:Movie Bumblebee Evolutionofahero.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Hey, look, Concept Camaro, now ''you're'' the piece o' crap.]]
*'''Evolution of a Hero''' (Target exclusive two-pack, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' 2 projectiles, Plasma cannon

: A Target exclusive, this figure multi-pack contains an unchanged Deluxe-class 1976 Bumblebee and an exclusive "battle damaged" 2009 Camaro Concept Bumblebee. Even though the 2009 figure is supposed to represent Bumblebee's damaged state as he appeared during the final battle in the movie, oddly enough the "damage" paint decos do not appear to extend to his legs, restricting themselves to his upper torso and car roof/door parts. Maybe they didn't bother because they thought you'd take them off like in the movie. Go figure.

:The Classic Camaro Bumblebee toy included in this package features the same "fixed" Automorph gimmick also found on the version included in the UK exclusive "Towed to Safety" two-pack. In addition, the Automorph button on the hood ''finally'' sports the painted pinstripes that had been missing on ''all'' previous releases of the mold.

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*'''Bumblebee and Optimus Prime''' (Argos exclusive two-pack, UK 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Plasma cannon

: A two-pack, exclusively available at Argos stores in the United Kingdom, which contains an unchanged Voyager-class [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and an equally unchanged Deluxe-class Concept Camaro Bumblebee.

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[[Image:Movie ScreenBattles CaptureofBB.jpg|right|300px|thumb|You'll never take me alive!]]
*'''Capture of Bumblebee''' (Screen Battles diorama pack, 2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''SB-04'''
**''Accessories:'' Plasma cannon

: This ''Screen Battles'' pack comes a [[Redeco|redecoed]] Camaro Concept Deluxe-class Bumblebee featuring a more accurate gray color scheme for his robot mode parts and a silver-painted face, Autobot symbol and toes. Additionally, a new red Autobot symbol is placed on his forehead, while his translucent parts are now a greener blue. The pack also comes with non-posable figurines of [[Sector Seven]] agent [[Seymour Simmons]] and two Sector Seven soldiers; one carrying a cryo-freezing cannon and one carrying a grenade launcher.

: This set comes in a special window box featuring a diorama background of the scene in which Bumblebee is captured by Sector Seven forces.

:According to details listed in an official checklist on Hasbro's website{{fact}}, this pack was originally supposed to feature "ice soldiers" (plural), in addition to an "S7 agent" and an "S7 soldier". Apparently budget ultimately only allowed for one. The grenade launcher-wielding S7 soldier also looks conspicuously like [[William Lennox|Captain Lennox]] colored as a Sector Seven soldier (it's possible that the figure had originally been intended for the Screen Battles "Desert Attack" pack with [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]]).

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[[Image:MovieTargetAllsparkDeluxeBumblebee.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Bumblebee just went neon. For Playskool, see the Cyber Slammers version.]]
*'''All Spark-Enhanced Bumblebee''' (Target Exclusive Deluxe, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Plasma cannon

: This Target exclusive features the Deluxe Class Bumblebee in unique cylindrical packaging, with the only difference from his standard release being that key robot mode parts are highlighted by the slavish 'All Spark Blue' color for no other reason than [[to sell toys]].

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[[Image:Movie Deluxe StealthBumblebee toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Bumblebee, as he appears in [[Shattered Glass (franchise)|Bizarro World]].]]
*'''Stealth Bumblebee''' (Deluxe Class Concept Camaro, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Plasma cannon

: Stealth Bumblebee is an extensive redeco and minor retool of the Deluxe class 2009 Camaro Bumblebee toy. The redeco itself is unusual in that the yellow parts are still cast in yellow plastic, but painted black. Other color differences include changing the robot mode body parts from black to gray and adding bright blue ''AllSpark Power'' decos.

:The head has also been retooled to reflect Bumblebee's 'battle mask' as seen in the Movie. The "mask" does not flip up to reveal his head. Bummer.

:Downloadable content for the [[Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)|Xbox 360/PS3 version of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' game]] features this deco as an alternate skin for Bumblebee.

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[[Image:MovieDeluxePremiumBumblebee.jpg|right|300px|thumb|You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' ("Premium Series" Deluxe Class Concept Camaro, 2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MA-22'''
**''Accessories:'' Plasma cannon

:This [[redeco]] of the Deluxe-class Concept Camaro toy features a similar deco as the Screen Battles version in terms of plastic colours, but replaces the head sculpt with the "battle mask" sculpt previously used for Stealth Bumblebee. All of his outer car body panels have been coated in a metallic yellow paint job.

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[[Image:WMTheLegacyOfBumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px|Featuring Whitebread Edition Bumblebee, Limey Edition Bumblebee, and ''Animated'' Edition Bumblebee. (What'd you '''think''' we were gonna say?)]]
*'''The Legacy of Bumblebee''' (Deluxe class multi-pack, 2008)

:A Walmart [[exclusive]] three pack, ''The Legacy of Bumblebee'' collector's set comes with [[Bumblebee (G1)|''Classics'']], Movie Deluxe Concept Camaro ([[Premium Series]]) and ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]'' [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] figures. While the ''Movie'' and ''Animated'' Bumblebees are identical to their original, single carded releases, the ''Classics'' Bumblebee has been redecoed to more closely resemble his ''Movie'' and ''Animated'' counterparts, changing his white stripes to black, and his grey/silver plastic to yellow, similarly to ''Henkei! Henkei!'' Bumble.

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====Screen Battles====
[[Image:Movie ScreenBattles FinalStand1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"Half a bee, philosophically/ Must, ipso facto, half not be./ But half the bee has got to be/ Vis-a-vis, its entity. D'you see?"]]
*'''Final Stand''' (Screen Battles, 2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''SB-02'''

: This ''Screen Battles'' pack comes with an altered [[Longarm (Movie)|Longarm]] toy and a posable, non-transforming, battle-damaged Bumblebee figure very similar to the ''Robot Replicas'' toy, yet surprisingly utilizing none of the same parts despite being on an identical scale. This set comes in a special window box featuring a diorama background of the battle in Mission City.

:Although entirely comprised of original sculpting, such as the gimpy leg-stumps, the Bumblebee figure oddly does not feature the character's distinctive car door "wings" on his back. However, keen [[customizing|customisers]] can easily rectify this by slicing the "Robot Replicas" version's wings off and whittling their connecting plastic into simple posts that very handily plug into large holes in the tires on Final Stand 'Bee's back. In fact, these holes almost seem designed to accommodate a missing part. (Considering how all the other Screen Battles sets were apparently originally intended to feature more, or at least more elaborate, accessory figures based on their entries in an official checklist on Hasbro's website{{fact}}, this seems indeed very plausible.)

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====Ultimate====
[[Image:Ultimate Bumblebee toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|All those extras and they couldn't make me more accurate than the deluxe class toy.]]
*'''Ultimate Bumblebee''' (Ultimate, 2007)
**''Accessories:''

: Similar in appearance to the second Deluxe-class Bumblebee toy, albeit much larger and more complex, the 'Ultimate' version of Bumblebee also transforms into the 2009 concept Camaro. The toy features animatronic movement in robot mode (flapping wings, moving arms and a rotating head) and light-up eyes and headlights, activated by the movement or sounds made by the person playing with the toy, or by pressing his buttons, which also activate an obscene number of interactive electronic sound effects. Oddly enough, despite being mute for most of the movie, Bumblebee has a wide range of phrases (Which don't even sound like him). His chest button yields various phrases and a new version of the ''Transformers'' theme tune, while a button on his side produces blaster noises, more speech, and musical samples, including four different ones from Devo's "Whip It." This button also causes the toy to raise its cannon-arm and automatically fire a missile. Playing with the toy by moving it will make him repeat various phrases and samples activated by other features, as well as crashing battle noises, but when he is left idle, more unique phrases will be uttered inquiring where everyone has gone, as well as radio snippets to the same effect, before the toy eventually deactivates. Pressing any button will bring him back online with a cheerful shout.

: Transforming the toy between modes is accompanied by the classic transformation noise, and if left unattended between modes, it will make stalling engine noises, car horn and a car alarm sounds. Once in car mode, new electronics are unlocked, beginning with the sound of an engine starting up. The chest button now activates the car's horn, and rolling the figure along will create an accelerating noise that increases the faster the toy is moved. More unique musical snippets will play as the car rolls along; when the rolling stops, brake lights activate and the tires screech. Yet more sounds are produced when Bumblebee is rolled backwards, and the car mode also features different crashing battle noises to the robot mode.

: All of the toy's features can be turned off by a switch, and it has an additional "Try Me" mode which allows you to hear various sounds from the toy's various functions just by pressing the chest button.

: The toy is mistransformed in the package, and all promo photos of the figure made the same mistake, presenting the car hood as a solid block resting on Bumblebee's chest. In reality, it splits up into five separate pieces to fold and collapse into a more movie-like appearance.

: In the holiday season, Wal-Mart carried an exclusive "Bonus Buy" version of the toy, which had the Deluxe [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]] and [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]] toys added as freebies. Costco also carried an exclusive version, with the 3" [[Titanium Series]] version of Bumblebee packed in. However, it did not include the display stand.

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*'''Ultimate Bumblebee bonus pack''' (Costco exclusive two-pack, 2007)
**''Accessories:''

:A Costco-exclusive special pack of Ultimate Bumblebee with Titanium Series Bumblebee (see below) as a bonus figure. Neither toy is changed from its respective original release.

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*'''Ultimate Bumblebee Bonus Value pack''' (Wal*Mart exclusive multi-pack, 2007)
**''Accessories:''

:A Wal*Mart-exclusive special pack of Ultimate Bumblebee with Deluxe Class [[Brawl (Movie)|Decepticon Brawl]] and [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]] as bonus figures. None of the three toys are changed from their respective original releases.

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====Fast Action Battlers====
[[Image:Bumblebeemoviefab.jpg|right|300px|thumb| Fast and actiony.. you know, for the kids!]]
*'''Plasma Punch Bumblebee''' (Fast Action Battler, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Plasma Bolt

:[[Fast Action Battler|Fast Action Battlers]] Bumblebee transforms from concept Camaro to robot with a considerably simpler transformation than the standard deluxe toy, intended for the slightly younger set. His main "gimmick" is a spring-loaded missile launcher in his right arm. As is also the case with Ultimate Bumblebee, the toy is mistransformed in the package, and all promo photos of the figure make the same mistake, presenting the car hood as a solid block. In reality, the chest/bumper consists of two rotating pieces which can pivot down so as to more accurately emulate the appearance in the movie.

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[[Image:FAB Rally Rocket BB.jpg|right|300px|thumb|It's Buckaroo Banzai! The latest issue!]]
*'''Rally Rocket Bumblebee''' (Fast Action Battler, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Plasma Bolt

:A [[repaint]] of Plasma Punch Bumblebee. It transforms from concept Camaro to robot with a simple transformation. The right arm is a spring loaded missile launcher. As is also the case with the original [[Fast Action Battlers]] Bumblebee, the hood is presented as a solid brick.

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====Cyber Slammers toys====
[[Image:Bumblebeemoviecyberslammer.jpg|right|300px|thumb|A Battlecharger for the new millennium.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Classic Camaro Cyber Slammer, 2007)

: Cyber Slammers Bumblebee is an amazingly cute 1976 Camaro that transforms into an amazingly cute Autobot buddy of human characters. "Slam" his robot mode down into car mode and he rolls along for a while, then snaps back up into robot mode.

: This toy was also made available during the 2007 holiday season as a freebie "Bonus Buy" packaged with Cyber Stompin' [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] at Wal-Mart stores.

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[[Image:Movie Bumblebee CamaroConcept CyberSlammer.jpg|right|300px|thumb|And so, Bumblebee rejoins the Throttlebots.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Concept Camaro Cyber Slammer, 2007)

:The second [[Cyber Slammers]] Bumblebee figure toy transforms into a Concept Camaro and shares no parts with the previous Cyber Slammers Bumblebee figure. Like all Cyber Slammers, the toy features motorized action. When you push down on the car, it zooms forward, then pops up into robot mode! Sure to please the toddler you brought with you to the PG-13 movie. Like most Cyber Slammers, Bumblebee manages to cram most of his vehicle mode's major details into a compact, super-deformed version of that mode.

: This toy was later redecoed into [[Cliffjumper (Movie)|Cliffjumper]].

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====Trans-Scanning====
[[Image:Movie TranScanning Bumblebee toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|whY mY SHoUlDeRs hUrT?(Now I know how Hot Shot feels)]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TS-02'''
**''Accessories:'' Display stand

: [[Trans-scan|Trans-scanning]] Bumblebee is a Japanese-exclusive figure with many interchangeable parts. At its most basic, the figure is a spindly skeleton referred to as a "Core Body". To this skeleton, two sets of armor pieces can be attached to create one of two forms for Bumblebee: his [[protoform]] mode or his Earth mode.

: The protoform mode consists of eight pieces of golden plastic that plug into the arms, chest, pelvis and legs of the figure. With these pieces attached, the figure can be manipulated in a manner that might charitably be called "transformation" into his meteor-like "entry mode," accomplished by doing little more than tucking the head out of sight and folding the chest back. This golden-and-grey lump can be mounted on a three-piece stand that comes with the figure, allowing you to display it in mid-plummet. Bumblebee's Earth mode, meanwhile, is made up of nineteen armor pieces (including a particularly large backpack) that form a rather [[Kibble|kibbly]] robot mode, which can then transform into a Camaro Concept.

: Bumblebee also includes a pair of interchangeable, open-palmed hands that can be swapped out for the clenched fists that are in place in-package. The Core Body mold was re-used for the simultaneously released Trans-Scanning [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Optimus Prime]] figure.

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====Cyber Stompin' robots====
[[Image:Bumblebeemoviecyberstompin.jpg|right|150px|thumb|These boots were made for—you know the rest.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Cyber Stompin' Robots, 2007)

: [[Cyber Stompin' Robots]] Bee is a large electronic action figure, featuring a rather cutified design. He's got electronic lights and sounds up the whazzoo and fires missiles and a fist. He totally plays the original theme song.

: Later in the year, Wal-Mart stores sold this toy as a "Bonus Buy" item, which came with a free Cyber Slammer [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] attached to the box back.

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====Robot Replicas====
[[Image:Movie RobotReplica Bumblebee.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Heli-pack not included]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Robot Replicas, 2007)

: As part of the [[Robot Replicas]] sub-line, this version of concept-Camaro Bumblebee is a non-transforming action figure that hews very close to the movie's CGI model. It features joints similar to the [[Revoltech]] toys, plus his right forearm can be replaced with his blaster-arm (or any other arm attachments from other Robot Replicas, which could lead to some fun Frankensteins). For some reason, he's closer to orange than his normal yellow.

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====Micro IR Transformers Cars====
[[Image:Movie Bumblebee MircroIR.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Drives and shoots!]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2007)

: Made by [[RadioShack]] under license from [[Hasbro]] and [[Dreamworks]]. The three-function infrared remote, in Bumblebee's signature colors, gives you control of the car with forward and reverse turn movement. More than just a car styled after the Movie character, the car also transforms to robot mode. The top of the gun-shaped IR remote's barrel serves as a display stand. The tip of the gun barrel can also be unscrewed, revealing a pen (!) inside.

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===Titanium Series===
[[Image:Bumblebeemoviets3.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Special feature: Can't talk, just like the real Bumblebee!]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Robot Masters, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Movie-style Autobot sigil display stand

: This Bumblebee is a three-inch tall painted mini-statue of his 1976 Camaro body form. He features die-cast in his torso and thighs, and he has swivel joints at the shoulders, head and waist. Oh, and he comes with a Movie-style Autobot logo base to stand on.

: This item was also packed in with Ultimate Bumblebee as a Costco-exclusive set.

: This mold was later used to make ''Titanium Series'' [[Cliffjumper (Movie)#Titanium Series|Cliffjumper]] for ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''.
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===Revenge of the Fallen===
====Legends Class toys====
[[Image:ROTF Legends Bumblebee.jpg|right|300px|thumb| Designed for the impulse buyer in all of us.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Legends, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''EZ-03'''

:''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends class Bumblebee is based upon the updated Camaro Concept featured in the movie (unlike the 2007 Legends class Bumblebee which was based on the 1976 Camaro). Compared to the previous Movie Legends, he has better, more accurate detailing and proportions (or as accurate as can be obtained at this [[pricepoint]]).

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/LegBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Bumblebee at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:ROTF-toy_Legends_ReconBumblebee.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Surely he will blend into the crowd with this look!]]
*'''Recon Bumblebee''' (Legends, 2009)

:Recon Bumblebee is a redeco of the regular Legends-class Bumblebee, featuring new details such as different stripes, a pattern on his doors and an Autobot insignia on his hood.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/LegReconBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Recon Bumblebee at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:ROTF-toy_Legends_StealthBumblebee.jpg|right|300px|thumb| Hasbro isn't too creative with this type of thing...]]
*'''Stealth Bumblebee''' (Legends, 2010)

:Stealth Bumblebee is another redeco that inverts Bumblebee's colors, giving him yellow stripes on a black body.

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[[Image:ROTF-toy BumblebeeStealthJDVD.jpg|thumb|300px| The [[Exclusive| special edition]], only available in [[Japan]] one is LESS detailed?!]]
*'''EZ Collection Stealth Bumblebee''' (Legends, 2009)

:This black redeco of Legends class Bumblebee is available [[exclusive]]ly with standard ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' DVDs purchased at various stores in Japan. Its deco is similar, but not identical, to that of Hasbro's Stealth Bumblebee, using less-detailed car-mode stripes and less robot-mode deco.

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[[Image:ROTFDVD__Tsutaya_clearBumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px|Bumblepee]]
*'''EZ Collection Clear Bumblebee''' (Legends, 2009)

:Clear Bumblebee is made partly from translucent yellow plastic, but uses the same opaque black plastic and paint applications as the mass-retail Bumblebee. He is only available with ''Revenge of the Fallen'' DVDs purchased at Tsutaya stores in Japan, and only comes with the transforming Bumblebee DVD-case version.
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[[Image:ROTF-toy_Legends_2packBumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|More Legends Bumblebee! MORE!]]
*'''Bumblebee vs Shadow Striker''' (Legends two-pack, 2010)

:The Bumblebee mold was given new paint applications for this two-pack with [[Shadow Striker (ROTF)|Shadow Striker]], such as [[cyberglyphics]] on his doors. The two-pack was exclusive to [[Target]] stores and eligible for the "[[N.E.S.T. Global Alliance]]" promotion.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Autobot/TargetLegBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on two-pack Bumblebee at TFU.info]''

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====Deluxe Class toys====
[[Image:Bumblebeerotfpreviewtoy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Yes, you're buying this mold again. Surprise!]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-03'''
**''Accessories:'' Pulse Missile

:Released as part of the preview series of figures for [[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen's toyline]] alongside [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]], Bumblebee is a retool of the Camaro Concept Bumblebee mold, feature a new vehicle front end, hood and wheels to reflect the changes to the prop vehicle used in the movie; and in robot mode has a new, more accurate headsculpt. His right arm has been retooled to accommodate a built-in spring-loaded plasma cannon, replacing the converting plasma cannon/blade weapon from the previous version of this mold. Don't look at his eyes for too long, you'll have nightmares.

:Strangely, the missile for his right arm is slightly too long for the slot in the arm itself, so it either has to be slightly cut down to fit or the cannon must be swiveled outwards to accommodate the missile. (This has been fixed in later releases, such as the European market). Also, instead of having movie accurate gray colored "toe" sections on his feet like the later 2007 figures, his toes are ''painted'' yellow ...on top of yellow plastic. Oookay...

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[[Image:ROTFtoy-CannonBumblebee.jpg|right|thumb|300px|New from the ass up!]]
*'''Cannon Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-14'''

:This extensive retool of Bumblebee changes the entire upper half of the robot mode, and thus half of the car, to newly designed parts, including more articulated arms with open palms, less obstructive vehicle [[kibble]], a differently transforming chest, and two flip-out (non-firing) missile launcher racks behind his head. Only the legs remain unaltered from the original version of the mold. Interestingly, his arms can be detached and easily popped onto the original mold, resulting in a more [[show-accuracy|show-accurate]] robot mode, though this sacrifices transformation. This extensive retooling results in a car interior with seats and a crude dashboard, but the windows are so opaque that these new details can't easily be seen. A variant with clear blue windows was released in later shipments.

:His "heels" are assembled backwards, which keeps them from being folded up against the back of the shins. Disappointingly, his chest cannot deform like the previous releases of this mold (or his Fast Action Battler, which still has a deforming chest).

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[[Image:ROTF_NEST_Battle_Pack_Bumblebee.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Yeah, [[Fandom| we're]] going to get one of [[Redeco| these]] every few waves.]]
*'''Alliance Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-27'''
**''Accessories:'' Pulse Missile

:Alliance Bumblebee is a [[redeco]] of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Preview Bumblebee. He now has several black thick black stripes across the hood and roof, stripes and [[NEST]] logos across the doors and side fender panels. He also has black arms, legs and torso to match this new colour scheme, instead of the more accurate grey colours seen in the previous release and Cannon Bumblebee. The yellow shoulder pieces are now pinned in place.

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[[Image:ROTFtoy-BumblebeeNESTAlliance.jpg|right|thumb|300px| Blame it on kids... [[Wal-Mart]]... [[Target]]... [[Hasbro]]... okay blame EVERYONE.]]
*'''Battlefield Bumblebee Vs. Infiltration Soundwave NEST set''' (Deluxe 2-pack, 2009)

:A redeco and retool of Cannon Bumblebee with a new head featuring his battle mask, close to Stealth Bumblebee from the 2007 movie line. He was only available in a two-pack with a redecoed [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]]. Also included in the packaging is a "Mission Guide" catalog and ordering form for the mail-in exclusive [[Ravage (ROTF)|Recon Ravage]], a "starter sticker" for said ordering form, and a [[NEST Global Alliance]] iron-on patch. Two additional stickers from specially-marked NEST Global Alliance products and $4.95 shipping are required for the promotion. The promotion to get Recon Ravage was only available in North America, and Recon Ravage was available in most other markets at a retailer exclusive.

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====Human Alliance====
[[Image:ROTF HumanAlliance Bumblebee%26Sam.jpg|right|300px|thumb|NOT a headmaster.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' / '''Sam Witwicky''' (Human Alliance, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-21'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 Missiles

:Human Alliance Bumblebee comes with a posable figure of [[Sam Witwicky]] that can fit inside in Bumblebee's vehicle mode (plugging into his seat via a small hole in his back) and drive him. In robot mode, Bumblebee's vehicle-mode seats end up on his arms, and Sam can sit in either of them; the seat on Bumblebee's right has a headrest that can fold down to look slightly less conspicuous in robot mode, while the seat on Bumblebee's left arm features a pair of cannons which flip over Sam's shoulders, offering him some offensive hardware to protect his rather precarious position. Sam can also stand on a platform that flips out from the small of Bumblebee's back (again, via peg-holes on his feet), manning a small non-firing cannon that flips out over Bumblebee's right shoulder. Finally, Bumblebee's left palm also contains a peg, meaning Sam can securely stand or sit in his big buddy's hand. Bumblebee himself features a spring-loaded cannon for his left arm, which can fire the two missiles the figure comes with, a flip-out double-barreled silver cannon that points over his head, and a functional flip-down battle mask. Much like the rest of his Human Alliance brethren, Bumblebee is roughly the same size as an ''[[Alternators]]'' toy, being slightly taller than ''Alternators'' [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] in robot mode.

[[Image:Human Alliance Bumblebee Prototype.jpg|thumb|150px|left|Modders, vindicated by the prototype.]]
:There is a significant [[misassembly]] issue with Bumblebee: according to TakaraTomy's images of the resin [[prototype]] as well as Bumblebee's CG design, the retail toy's legs are on the wrong sides of his body, so the details on his legs are inverted. Since the instructions reflect this assembly, it's possible that this was [[design change|done on purpose]] because with the toy in its originally intended assembly, the waist section could be rather difficult to transform for children. The toy's originally intended assembly can still be [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/radicons-customs/243649-human-alliance-bumblebee-leg-mod.html easily achieved by disassembling his crotch and reassembling the legs backwards.] Once this is complete, Bumblebee will look the way he was intended to look, while adding some minor extra steps during transformation.

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====Ultimate====
[[Image:ROTF UltimateBumblebee.jpg|right|300px|thumb| Now available in expensive.]]
*''' Ultimate Bumblebee Battle Charged''' (Ultimate, 2009)

:''Revenge of the Fallen's'' Ultimate Bumblebee is a retool of the 2007 version, with new rims, hood, front fenders. He also features a new, more accurate head sculpt with a battle mask. This time, his sound chip plays [[Stan Bush]]'s "[[The Touch]]".

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====Fast Action Battlers====
[[Image:ROTF_FAB_Pulse_Blast_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px| Faster and Actiony-er... you know, for the kids!]]
*'''Pulse Blast Bumblebee''' (Fast Action Battler, 2009)
**''Accessories:'' Plasma Bolt

:Pulse Blast Bumblebee is a retool of 2007's Plasma Punch Bumblebee, with updated vehicle mode parts to reflect the changes in the prop Camaro vehicle, along with a new, more accurate head sculpt. Like the 2007's Plasma Punch photo, stock photographs by Hasbro neglect to tilt the car front fender panels.

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[[Image:ROTF_FAB_Sand_Attack_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px| [[Anakin Skywalker| I hate sand... it's so coarse and rough.]]]]
*'''Sand Attack Bumblebee''' (Fast Action Battler, 2009)
**''Accessories:'' Plasma Bolt

:Sand Attack Bumblebee is a redeco of Plasma Punch Bumblebee, not using the retooled parts of Pulse Blast Bumblebee. The deco itself consists of a sand-blasted-like camouflage pattern, or alternatively, a sand-worn appearance.

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====Gravity Bots====
[[Image:ROTF GravityBot Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px| The evolution of Jumpstarters!]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Gravity Bot, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''GB-02'''

:Plonk him down. Lift him up. Plonk him down. Lift him up. This addictive toy transforms automatically when stood up (vehicle to robot), or placed on his back (robot to vehicle). A switch underneath his feet or his car mode releases the transformation — so the toy can be played with in relatively stable modes if held in the air, or just rolling along the ground.

:Because gravity is the powering force in the transformation there's no motors to wear out or batteries to use up when playing with the toy. Which is good, because you will be transforming him no less than nine million times.

:Bumblebee features dumpy proportions and low movie accuracy (no door wings here), forced upon the toy to accommodate the [[Gravity Bot]]s transformation gimmick. His robot mode has no articulation, not even head. But at least he has big feet! Or legs... or whatever the heck they are. Stump? At least he has a big stump.
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[[Image:ROTF_GravityBots_BoltBumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px|Hasbro, once again showing their uncreativity.]]
*'''Bolt Bumblebee''' (Gravity Bot, 2009)

: A [[redeco]] of Gravity Bots Bumblebee in a predominantly black colour scheme that recalls 2008's Stealth Bumblebee redeco of the Deluxe class Bumblebee toy.

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====Battle Chargers====
[[Image:ROTF Battle Chargers Bumblebee.jpg|right|300px|thumb|You know, you shouldn't think too hard about this.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Battle Charger, 2009)

:Part of the [[Robot Powered Machines]] subline, Battle Charger Bumblebee is a [[super-deformed]] Concept Camaro with a [[pull-back motor]]. When pulled back and let go, the car's roof flips open and Bumblebee's equally cutesified robot mode pops out.

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[[Image:ROTF_BattleChargers_StealthBumblebee.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Or this. Bumblebee giving birth to himself can wreck your mind.]]
*'''Stealth Bumblebee''' (Battle Charger, 2009)

:A redeco of Battle Charger Bumblebee in yellow-on-black. Again.
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====Power Bots====
[[Image:ROTF PowerBots Bumblebee.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Hello, I'm Bumblebee, and my shoulders hurt.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Power Bot, 2009)

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====Robot Replicas====
[[Image:ROTF-toy_RobotReplicas_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|150px| Bumblebee played around with [[Nucleon]] in high school.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Robot Replicas, 2009)

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===Transformers (2010)===
====Legends Class toys====
[[Image:TF2010-toy_Legends_Cyberfire_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px| Impulse Buying Evolved.]]
*'''Cyberfire Bumblebee''' (Legends, 2010)

: This redeco of Legends class ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Bumblebee features a paint deco inspired by ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]'' [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]].

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====Deluxe Class toys====
[[Image:TF2010-toy Deluxe Battle Blade Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px| About freaking time, Hasbro.]]
*'''Battle Blade Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2010)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''AA-02'''

:This entirely new Deluxe class Bumblebee for the ''[[Transformers (2010 toyline)|Transformers'' (2010)]] toyline features a much more accurate sculpt in robot mode compared to previous versions of Deluxe class Camaro Concept Bumblebee, with the transformation scheme taking many cues from ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Human Alliance Bumblebee, scaled down to Deluxe size, while using an [[Automorph Technology|Automorph]] design for the leg transformation directly based on the original Deluxe Class Concept Camaro Bumblebee. Despite the very similar looks, Battle Blade Bumblebee uses no parts from previous toys; everything about him is an entirely new sculpt.

:His right hand can be switched out for his cannon by opening the arm guard, flipping out the cannon barrel, folding away the right hand and folding the cannon over to the wrist. Due to how the parts were distributed on the plastic sprues during production, the cannon barrel is yellow rather than grey. The left arm-guard has a flip-out axe made of transluscent blue plastic, representing the axe weapon Bumblebee uses in the [[Revenge of the Fallen (video games)|''Revenge of the Fallen'' video games]], which itself may have been based upon the electrical [[Stinger (weapon)|stinger]] that was once considered as a melee weapon for Bumblebee in the first movie. The axe is spring-loaded, activated by a button on his arm-guard. This version of Movie Bumblebee also features a flip-down battle mask, very similar to Human Alliance Bumblebee. In other words, pure premium awesome-sauce.

:Stock photos show that the axe was originally made in such a way that the blade was mounted on a rod and could be rotated downwards, but this was changed entirely for unknown reasons (possibly fragility). As a result, the blade is mounted upside-down.

:The Japanese ''Autobot Alliance'' release features marginally darker yellow plastic and paint.

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[[Image:Transformers2010_Deluxe_SpecialEditionBattleBladesBumblebee.jpg|thumb|200px|]]
*'''Special Edition Battle Blade Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2010)

:As part of their "Transformers 'Fan of the Year' Competition" at the Animation-Comic-Game Hong Kong (ACGHK) material-entertainment fair 2010, Hasbro Hong Kong offered a one-of-a-kind [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum metallized]] Battle Blade Bumblebee for whomever happened to spend the most money purchasing Transformers products at Hasbro's booth over the course of the fair. The figure is presented in a wood and perspex display case.

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[[Image:TargetCrashLandingAttackBumblebeeThrust.jpg|thumb|300px|Bumblebee walks down to Electric Avenue, then takes Thrust lower.]]
*'''Crash Landing Attack''' (Target exclusive 2-pack, 2010)
**''Accessories:'' Pulse Missile

:A [[redeco]] of the first ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Deluxe class Bumblebee, this version is fluorescent yellow and blue. The car doors and hood feature a new deco of overlaid black and silver streaks, as well as a solid black stripe down the middle with a large silver Autobot symbol at the front. It is packaged with a redeco of [[Thrust (ROTF)|Thrust]]. It is also [[Generation 2 (franchise)|G2-a-licious]].

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[[Image:WMBombRunBattleBumblebeeGrindor.jpg|thumb|300px|Hasbro, you tease. Give us a [[Wasp]]!]]
*'''Bombing Run Battle''' (Walmart Exclusive 2-pack, 2010)

:A redeco of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Cannon Bumblebee in a brighter yellow with dark pine green replacing the former toy's metallic teal. The windows are cast in transparent green plastic with green trim and the outsides of his arms are also painted green. Additionally, there is a green stripe running across and between the fenders on each side with green accents on the face and helmet as well. The face has been painted silver and lacks the pupils of the previous deco. His thumbs are now black and the tailpipes have been painted gunmetal. The tiny Autobot symbol by the driver's side door has been replaced with a larger white one on the right rear window. He came packaged with a Legends [[Grindor (ROTF)|Grindor]] redeco.

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*'''Rampage Among The Ruins''' (Toys "R" Us Exclusive 3-pack, 2010)

:Essentially a redeco of "Bombing Run Battle" Bumblebee (using the same shade of yellow plastic) but using the head of the [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#VsSoundwave|NEST 2-pack Bumblebee]] head. All of the green parts have been replaced with a chocolate brown including the tires with brown stripes over his eyes which run across the top of his battle helmet. The thumbs and insides of his upper arms are also painted brown. The windows are clear and untinted. He has a brown "wash" over his lower arms and on his doors probably to simulate caked on dirt or mud. There are also silver "scratches" on both doors as well as the driver's side of the hood. He has a tiny black-on-white Autobot symbol on his lower abdomen. Unlike previous versions of this mold, the rear lights, tailpipes, and lower front headlights are unpainted. Bumblebee was packaged with redecoes of [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]] and [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]] and available exclusively Toys "R" Us stores.

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====Human Alliance====
[[Image:TF2010 Human Alliance Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px| The Evolution of Repacking!]]
*'''Bumblebee w/ Sam Witwicky''' (Human Alliance, 2010)
**''Accessories:'' 2 missiles

: A slight redeco of the first Human Alliance Bumblebee in new gold ''Transformers'' packaging. Bumblebee now has green eyes while Sam is a new mold with a white shirt and a teeny tiny head.

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====Battle Ops====
[[Image:Battle_Ops_bumblebee_both.JPEG|right|thumb|300px| When Bumblebee has a toy as tall as [[Optimus Prime (Movie)| Prime]]... things are getting bad.]]
*'''Battle Ops Bumblebee''' (2010)

:Battle Ops Bumblebee is a large (roughly leader size) new mold with "guardian" and "warrior" robot modes, which changes weapons and sound effects. He has a flip down battle mask, a right arm that converts to a plasma cannon, and two shoulder/hood missile launchers (non-functional).

:As revealed at the Hasbro designers panel at [[BotCon 2010]], an easter egg is hidden in Battle Ops Bumblebee's electronics: a button on one of the front wheels when pressed several times will play the first verse of the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|the original ''Transformers'']] [[theme song]], and subsequent presses will play further verses.
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*'''Battle Ops Bumblebee''' (2010)

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====Activators====
[[Image:TF2010-toy_Activators_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px| Expect repaints... LOTS of repaints.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Activator, 2010)

:''[[Activators]]'' Bumblebee is a small and simple toy with cutesified proportions. By pressing a button on his vehicle mode roof, he [[autotransformation|autotransforms]] into robot mode.

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[[Image:TF2010-toy_RallyRumbleBumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|'''Many''' redecoes.]]
*'''Rally Rumble Bumblebee''' (Activator, 2010)

:A redeco of ''Activators'' Bumblebee with a black hood and rally-themed markings. His yellow plastic is distinctly... ''yellower'' than his usual orangey yellow color.

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====Power Bots====
[[Image:TF2010-toy_PowerBots_StealthBumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|200px| Can't we get a Cliffjumper for once [[Hasbro]]?]]
*'''Stealth Bumblebee''' (Power Bot, 2010)

:A redeco of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Power Bots Bumblebee in his recurring black "stealth" color scheme. It remains to be seen if his lights or sounds have been changed.

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===Masterpiece===
[[Image:Masterpiece_Movie_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MPM-2'''

:''[[Masterpiece]]'' Movie Bumblebee is a redeco of Battle Ops Bumblebee. He is a large (roughly leader size) new mold with "guardian" and "warrior" robot modes, which changes weapons and sound effects. He has a flip down battle mask, a right arm that converts to a plasma cannon, and two shoulder/hood missile launchers (non-functional).

:Unlike the Hasbro version, he features a very extensive paint job including chromed rims, and features no yellow plastic despite his appearance. Instead all of his yellow parts are painted over gray plastic, to give it as close to a Movie like appearance as possible.

:Among other notable plastic color changes, the [[TakaraTomy]] version features a clear colorless right hand rather than clear blue like the Hasbro release.
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===Dark of the Moon===
====Cyberverse====
[[Image:DOTM_CyberverseLegion_Bumblebee_toy.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Cyberverse Legion, 2011)
**''Series:'' '''1'''
**''Number:'' '''001'''
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''CV08'''

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*'''Bumblebee / Mobile Battle Bunker''' (Cyberverse Action Set, 2011)
**''Series:''
**''Number:'' '''001'''
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''CV02'''
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*'''Bumblebee / Soundwave''' with '''Rodimus''' (Cyberverse 3-pack, 2011)

:Available exclusively at [[Walmart]] in a three pack with [[Soundwave (ROTF)#Cyberverse|Soundwave]] and [[Rodimus (DOTM)|Rodimus]], this gold and silver Cyberverse Bumblebee is a redeco of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends class Bumblebee, and lacks the new hands that were added to the Target-exclusive Cyberverse Bumblebee and Bolt Bumblebee (see below).
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[[Image:DOTM_Cyberverse_Target_BumblebeeVsMegatron.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee vs Megatron''' (Cyberverse 2-pack, 2011)
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**''Number:''
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:[[Exclusive]] to [[Target]], this Cyberverse Bumblebee is a [[retool]] of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends class Bumblebee. His new hand enables him to hold his accompanying blaster. Bumblebee comes packed with a [[Motormaster (G1)|Generation 1 Motormaster]]-inspired redeco of Cyberverse Commander [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#TargetCyberverseVs|Megatron]].
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*'''Bolt Bumblebee''' (Cyberverse Legion, 2011)
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:Bolt Bumblebee is, like the Bumblebee included in the Bumblebee vs Megatron pack, a retool of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends class Bumblebee with new hands to enable him to hold accessories.
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====Deluxe Class toys====
[[Image:DOTM_MechtechDeluxe_Bumblebee_toy.jpg|thumb|300px|Well, his Attacktix toy got cancelled. He's gotta have ''something.'']]
*'''Bumblebee''' (MechTech Deluxe, 2011)
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Blaster/Plasma Cannon

:Part of the first wave of ''[[Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]'' Deluxe Class figures, Bumblebee is an entirely new figure that resembles in many ways the 2010 toyline Battle Blade Bumblebee. In addition to the cosmetic changes made to the vehicle mode and robot mode to resemble the third movie's altered visual design, this Bumblebee also comes with a [[MechTech]] weapon. When a lever is pulled back on the "blaster" weapon, it opens up into a larger "plasma cannon" weapon, but it springs back into its original position once the lever is left alone. The MechTech weapon can be held in his hands, attach via 5mm pegholes on his forearms, or plug in a "concealed" 5mm peghole on the vehicle mode's roof. Additionally, [[C joint]] bars are sculpted into Bumblebee's forearms.

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*'''Bumblebee''' & '''MechTech Holder''' (MechTech Deluxe, [[May 14]], 2011)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''DA05'''
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Blaster/Plasma Cannon

:The Japanese release of ''Dark of the Moon'' Bumblebee is packed with a "MechTech Holder", a device for storing the MechTech Wars collectible cards included with every Japanese ''Dark of the Moon'' mainline toy. Both Bumblebee and the MechTech Holder are packed into a Voyager class-sized box, with an accompanying increase in retail price.
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*'''Silver Bumblebee''' (MechTech Deluxe, [[May 13]]-[[May 14]], 2011)
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Blaster/Plasma Cannon

:A silver [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum metallized]] version of ''Dark of the Moon'' Bumblebee, presented in a perspex case.

:These toys were available as the [[Lucky Draw figure|Lucky Draw]] prize for the ''Transformers'' Midnight Madness event at major [[Toys"R"Us]] stores in mainland [[China]], Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan, Malaysia and Thailand between May 13 and May 14, 2011.

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[[Image:DOTM_Deluxe_Walmart_Bumblebee_toy.jpg|thumb|300px|Man, I've got about as much fanwank on me as your average episode of [[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Animated]].]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2011)
**''Accessories:'' Plasma Cannon

:This [[Walmart]]-[[exclusive]] Bumblebee is a redeco of the [[Movie (toyline)|2007 ''Transformers'']] Deluxe Class Concept Camaro Bumblebee. Bumblebee features many different ''Transformers'' [[insignia]]s from across different continuities, namely; [[:Image:Ancient Autobot Symbol.png|Generation 1 Prehistory Autobot]], [[:Image:Auto-g2.png|Generation 2 Autobot]], [[:Image:Minicon symbol.png|Armada Mini-Con]], [[:Image:Sumdac Systems.PNG|Animated Sumdac Systems]], [[:Image:Playschool Go-Bots G.png|Playschool Go-Bot]], [[S.T.A.R.S.]], "FLY [[Omega Supreme|Ω SUPREME]]", [[G.B. Blackrock|"Black Rock"]], and the number [[1984|84]], all in addition to his live-action movie Autobot insignia.
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[[Image:DOTM_Deluxe_Target_Clear_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2011)

:Released as part of [[Target]]'s exclusive range of Deluxe class redecos, this version of Cannon Bumblebee has had all of his yellow plastic cast in an translucent yellow, and is covered in [[Cyberglyphics|cyberglyphic]] markings.
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[[Image:DOTM_Deluxe_Scan_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2011)
**''Accessories:'' Pulse Missile

:This redeco of Deluxe class ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Bumblebee is [[exclusive]] to [[Toys"R"Us]]' Mission Earth: The Scan Series, to represent him [[Trans-scan|trans-scanning]] his vehicle mode. As such, the rear half of his vehicle mode (and thus, part of his robot mode) is cast in translucent clear plastic.
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[[Image:DOTM_AutobotDaredevilSquad_toys.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Autobot Daredevil Squad''' (Multi-pack, 2011)

:Exclusive to [[Kmart]], the Autobot Daredevil Squad Bumblebee is another redeco Cannon Bumblebee as part of, for some reason, the [[Human Alliance]] play pattern.

:He comes packaged with a Human Alliance [[Sam Witwicky]], a redeco of [[Backfire (TF 2010)|Backfire]], and an Autobot Alliance patch.
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*'''Nitro Bumblebee''' (MechTech Deluxe, 2011)
**''Japanese ID number:''
**''Accessories:'' MechTech gun

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*'''Cyberfire Bumblebee''' (MechTech Deluxe, 2011)
**''Japanese ID number:''
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Blaster/Plasma Cannon

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[[Image:DOTM_Deluxe_LuckyDraw_TritaniumBumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Tritanium Bumblebee''' (MechTech Deluxe, 2011)
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Blaster/Plasma Cannon

:This gold [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum metallized]] version of MechTech Deluxe class ''Dark of the Moon'' Bumblebee is Prize A in [[TakaraTomy]]'s ''Dark of the Moon'' [[Lucky Draw figure|Lucky Draw]] campaign. The campaign begins on [[May 14]] 2011, and is entered by entering two barcode numbers from MechTech character cards (packed with Japanese ''Dark of the Moon'' figures) into the TakaraTomy ''Transformers'' website. This toy is limited to 10 pieces.
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====Leader Class toys====
[[Image:DOTM_MechtechLeader_Bumblebee_toy.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (MechTech Leader, 2011)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''DA01'''
**''Accessories:''

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====Human Alliance====
[[Image:DOTM_HumanAlliance_Bumblebee_Sam.jpg|thumb|300px|Second time in a row the stock photographer neglected to properly transform his knees.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' / '''Sam Witwicky''' (Human Alliance, 2011)
**''Japanese ID number:''
**''Accessories:'' 2 missiles

:A redeco of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Bumblebee, in a Stealth Bumblebee-inspired color scheme, with even more robot mode yellow than usual. The included Sam Witwicky figure is largely unchanged from the original ''Revenge of the Fallen'' release, and rather than using the usual "4NZZ454" [[license plate]], this one's license plates sport the word BEE with the Autobot sigil next to it.
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====Robo Power====
=====Activators=====
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[[Image:DOTM_Activators_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2011)

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=====Bash Bots=====
[[Image:DOTM_BashBots_BumblebeeVsMegatron.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee Vs Megatron''' (2011)

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=====Go-Bots=====
[[Image:DOTM_Go-Bots_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2011)

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=====Revving Robots=====
[[Image:DOTM_RevvingRobots_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|200px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2011)

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=====Robo Fighters=====
[[Image:DOTM_Robofighters_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2011)

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==Merchandise==
===3D Battle Card game===
[[Image:3DBattleCard_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (3D Battle-Card, 2007)
**''Card number'': '''1'''

: Bumblebee is a 20-point "Rare" piece in the [[3D Battle-Card Game]]. Constructed of punch-out pieces from randomly packed plastic cards (two full robots per pack), he can be assembled into his car mode (model undetermined) or into a rather stumpy robot mode. One of his blaster-weapons is held in his right hand, the other can mount on either shoulder.

: He uses the same construction as [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]], [[Mirage (Movie)|Mirage]], [[Swerve (Movie)|Swerve]] and [[Prowl (G1)|Generation 1 Prowl]].

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[[Image:3DBattleCard_ProtoformBumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Protoform Bumblebee''' (3D Battle-Card, 2007)
**''Card number'': '''10'''

: Protoform Bumblebee is a 27-point "Uncommon" piece in the [[3D Battle-Card Game]].

: He uses the same construction as protoform [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]].

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===Attacktix===
[[Image:Attacktix MovieTransformers Tournament Set.jpg|right|300px|thumb|]]
*'''Transformers Tournament Set''' (<strike>2007</strike>)

: An [[Attacktix]] tournament set featuring unique playing pieces of Bumblebee, Optimus Prime, Megatron and Bonecrusher was at one point scheduled for release. Along with a vast amount of other Attacktix product, it ended being canceled.

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===Transformers (2007)===
====Lunchables====
* '''Bumblebee''' ("Pocket Transformers" toy prize, 2007)

: A fold-out "pseudo-figure" of Bumblebee "transforms" from a flat, yellow platform decorated with the Autobot symbol and the word "Transformers" to a robot by folding out. Bumblebee is represented by stickers decorated with artwork of the character on the top, bottom, and two fold out "arms". His name is also spelled out, across his feet in this mode.

: This mold was also used to create the lunchables figure for [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]], and [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]. A similar mold was used to creature the Lunchables figure for [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]] and [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], though with the Decepticon symbol sculpted in instead of the Autobot one. Each iteration of this mold was made with a different color of plastic.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/LunchBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Lunchables Blackout at TFU.info]''

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*'''Transformers Gummy Candy''' (2006)

:Made by the [[Frankford Candy & Chocolate Company]] at the behest of [[Hasbro]]'s Cap Candy Company unit, this large Bumblebee-shaped [[Transformers Gummy Candy|gummy candy]] was available throughout 2006 to 2007. Also available was an [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]-shaped gummy candies.

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[[Image:Mov-toy BeatmixBumblebee.jpg|right|150px|thumb|"Dance my puppet, DANCE! MAW HA HA HA HA HA!!!"]]
*'''Beatmix Bumblebee''' (2007)

: ''Beatmix'' Bumblebee is a device that hooks up to a music device, similarly to an ''iDog''. Like the aforementioned product, ''Beatmix'' Bumblebee reacts to the music being played (outputted via a speaker within him). With a touch, he can also sample the owner's music tracks and replay them with sound effects from the movie. His arms are posable, but Bumblebee cannot transform.

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[[Image:Movie Bumblebee Allsparkblaster.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Well, that's original.]]
*'''Bumblebee AllSpark Blaster''' (2008)

:The Bumblebee AllSpark Blaster is one of several Movie Roleplay toys. The toy consists of a a blaster attached to Bumblebee's (hollow) hand which a child can slip their own hand inside like a glove and wield. Pulling the trigger causes the toy to emit transformation sounds, allowing the user to transform the toy weapon from laser blaster mode to plasma cannon mode, by pulling the handle on the back. Laser blaster mode features laser pulse sounds and a "laser flare beam" (lights), while the plasma cannon mode has "plasma pulse lights" and explosion sounds.

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*'''Transformers car air freshener''' (2007)

: A faithful replica of the "Bee-Otch" air freshener dangling from Bumblebee's rear-view mirror, with cinnamon scent. It was given out by the handful at [[BotCon 2007]]. Supposedly it was also available at retail, but no reliable sightings have been reported.

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*'''TRANSFORMERS Chess Set''' (2007)

: Two identical bronze-colored plastic statues of Bumblebee serve as the [[Chess]] set's Autobot-side knights.

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====Unleashed====
[[Image:Unleashed movie bumblebee.jpg|right|200px|thumb|What are YOU lookin' at?]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2007)

:''[[Unleashed]]'' Bumblebee is a sculpture of Bumblebee in his Camaro Concept body, in an action pose, standing atop the wrecked remains of a somewhat super-deformed car. Like most of the other products in the ''Unleashed'' line, he became a notorious [[shelfwarmer]].

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====XMODS====
[[Image:Movie Bumblebee XMODS.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Transforms from vehicle mode to modified vehicle!]]
*'''XMODS® Evolution Transformers Bumblebee''' (2007)
**''Model Number'': '''60-186'''

[[Image:Movie Bumblebee XMODS Weapons.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Bumblebee is now more battle ready than Ironhide...I think.]]
: Bumblebee, in his Camaro Concept form, is one of the first Transformers characters to be licensed by [[RadioShack]] from [[Hasbro]] and [[Dreamworks]] for their XMODS Evolution line of radio control cars. "The maximum in modification", Bumblebee is a base kit that can be upgraded with a '''Evolution Weapons and Light Kit for Bumblebee''' (''Model Number'': '''60-191'''), which adds two racks of missiles to his doors, his plasma cannon onto the hood, as well as LED red taillights and white headlights. Bumblebee is also compatible with any of the optional motor upgrades, body kits, steering and suspension upgrades, and more available for the brand.

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====ZipZaps====
[[Image:Movie Bumblebee ZipZaps.jpg|right|200px|thumb|A long stream of urine, disguised as radio wire]]
*'''ZipZaps® Micro RC Starter Kit 1.0 Transformers® Bumblebee™''' (2007)
**''Model Number'': '''60-180'''

: Bumblebee is also one of the first Transformers characters licensed by RadioShack for their ZipZaps line of pocket-size radio control cars. As a ZipZap, Bumblebee can be customized, trimmed, and tuned with any other accessories available for the brand. He has working headlights and requires four "AAA" batteries for the charger.

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====XKites====
[[Image:Movie_XKites_Bumblebee_SkyDelta42.jpg|thumb|300px| Flying through the sky so fancy free...]]
*'''SkyDelta 42 Transformers Kite''' (2007)

:[[XKites]] made several poly delta kites with stock images of ''Transformers'' characters printed on them. This model had a 42" wingspan and a fibreglass airframe, and featured an image of Bumblebee.
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====Basic Fun====
*'''Keychain''' (2007)

: Produced by [[Basic Fun]], this keychain is a likeness of Bumblebee's robot mode with articulated arms, legs, head, waist, and a keyring sticking out of his ass.

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====Transformers Movie Danglers====
[[Image:Movie Bumblebee dangler.jpg|right|300px|thumb| Things don't get much weirder than this... [[Kiss Players (franchise)| OH WAIT...]] ]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2007)

:Released by [[Tomy Yujin]] in November 2007 <ref name="TomyYujin">[http://www.gachausa.com/products/transformers.asp Tomy Yujin ''Transformers'' page]</ref> as part of the [[Danglers Collection]], this toy is a weird plastic [[super-deformed]] version of Bumblebee that poops out his vehicle mode when you squeeze him. This little figurine has a little strap on it so that it can be put on cell phones or portable gaming devices.

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====Transformers Movie Screen Cleaners====
[[Image:Movie Bumblebee screencleaner.jpg|right|200px|thumb| [[Frenzy (Movie)| He]] cleans his screen with these.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2008)

:Released by Tomy Yujin on January 2008<ref name="TomyYujin">[http://www.gachausa.com/products/transformers.asp Tomy Yujin ''Transformers'' page]</ref>, this dangler is a faction logo-shaped screen cleaner for your cell phone, with a stock image of Bumblebee printed on the other side.

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===Revenge of the Fallen===
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*'''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Bubble Bath''' (2009)

: ''Revenge of the Fallen''-branded bubble bath was released on March 2009. The generic bottle features a stock image of Bumblebee.
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[[Image:ROTF Bumblebee VoiceChanger.jpg|right|150px|thumb|A Voice Changer Helmet for a character who has no voice and talks through the radio.]]
*'''Bumblebee Voice Changer'''
**''Parts:'' Antennas(l+r), Side pieces (l+r), Helmet top, Adjustable straps (pre-installed), Battery cover (pre-installed), Switch retainer (red!), AAA batteries (3), Helmet.

:The Bumblebee voice changer helmet, much like the [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Optimus_Prime_Voice_Changer|Optimus Prime helmet from 2007]], is a detailed helmet designed to... uhh... change your voice. Oh! And to make your head look like a highly detailed, and movie accurate replicate of Bumblebee. The helmet is nearly fully enclosed around the head, unlike the Prime helmet, and is adjustable so it can be sized to fit adults and children. The helmet is really, really yellow.

:The helmet features three different buttons, the ''voice mixer'', ''battle phrases'' and ''conversion sounds'' buttons.

:The ''voice mixer'' button makes the helmet modulate your voice and play wicked beats at the same time so you can get down with your bad self. The ''battle phrases'' are meant to sound like random radio mixing, but really sound like a couple of guys in a studio yelling at a microphone with silly voices. Enjoy fun phrases like, "You are no match for my new kung fu!" in a delightfully bad Chop Socky voice! However, there are at least a few radio voice clips from the actual movie. The ''conversion sounds'' button plays the transforming sound, or if you hold the button down plays the transforming sound as if it were being remixed live by a DJ on a turntable. Okay, y'know... like with a baby scratch or a backwards loop or something.

:The helmet has three play modes. There's ''demo'', ''on'' and the parents' favourite, ''off''. The helmet comes packaged in the ''demo'' mode with a ''switch retainer'' to keep it there. You'll need to take that sucker off to put him in the all important ''on'' mode. But don't throw it out! It's a really pretty red.

:In order to avoid language barriers, the European version doesn't play battle phrases. However, later releases did feature voiceclips.

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[[Image:ROTF Bumblebee PlasmaCannon.jpg|right|300px|thumb| FIGHTING TO SAVE THE WORLD!]]
*'''Bumblebee Plasma Cannon''' (2009)
: The Plasma Cannon is a stylized version of Bumblebee's fist that converts to a plasma cannon roleplay toy when the barrel is slid forward or the trigger is pulled. When fired, a ring of red lights around the barrel flashes (totally awesome). If the trigger is only pulled half-way, a "charging" sound is made. There is also an Autobot sigil on the side that, when pressed, causes sound effects to be heard. These include conversion noises, a revving engine, and clips from [[Stan Bush]]'s "[[The Touch]]" (also awesome, but only in the "Try Me" setting, which is not quite as awesome).

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====Missile Mania Board Game====
*'''Bumblebee''' (2009)

: Bumblebee is one of eight characters featured in the [[Missile Mania]] board game, represented by a small standee adorned with artwork of the character.
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====RPMs - Robot Powered Machines====
[[Image:ROTF-toy_RPM_Bumblebee_vs_Barricade.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Lack-of-Action Masters.]]
*'''Bumblebee VS Barricade''' (2009)
**''Series:'' '''Battle Series'''
**''Number:'' '''01 of 08'''

: Bumblebee's first ''[[Robot Powered Machines]]'' is a "Mini-Vehicle"—a small, non-transforming car with his robot mode sculpted underneath. This version of Bumblebee is his 1970's Camaro form, complete with painted dirt. He was only available in a two-pack with [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]].

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[[Image:ROTF-toy_RPM_Commander_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2009)
**''Series:'' '''Commander Series'''
**''Number:'' '''02 of 04'''

: This Bumblebee Mini-Vehicle depicts his Concept Camaro form, and the sculpted robot mode underneath has its battle mask down.

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[[Image:ROTF-toy_RPM_Speed_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2009)
**''Series:'' '''Speed Series'''
**''Number:'' '''02 of 04'''

: The third Bumblebee Mini-Vehicle depicts the Super Sport version seen in the second film, his face is Bumblebee without his battle mask. It also uses different [[paint application]]s, such as new stripes and an Autobot insignia on its roof.

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[[Image:ROTF-toy_RC_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|We'd make another caption about his shoulders hurting but three's a crowd]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2009)
**''Series:'' '''Radio Control'''

: Radio Control Bumblebee is, as you might have guessed, an remote-control car (depicting his Concept Camaro form). Like the Mini-Vehicles, he does not transform, although his dual-joystick controller is shaped like his robot mode. Batteries (of Hasbro's own [[Powrfuel]] brand) were included for the controller, but not for the car.

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*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)
**''Series:'' '''Lights and Sounds'''

: "Lights and Sounds" Bumblebee is a cutesified car with flashing headlights and playing sounds, and like the Mini-Vehicles, features a sculpted robot mode on its underside. The sounds include racing sounds and various phrases in Bumblebee's radio-mashup manner of speaking, and play either when you press the Autobot insignia on his hood or zoom him around on his wheels.

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====Robo-Q Transformers====
*'''Bumblebee''' (2009)

:This tiny radio-controlled [[Robo-Q]] Bumblebee figure can be charged by directly plugging him into the back of the controller unit, and on a full charge he can waddle around a flat surface. The figure features lights while the controller has sounds.

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====Transformers Digital Watch====
[[Image:ROTF_Bumblebeedigitalwatch.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee Digital Watch''' (2009)

:Made by [[Fab Starpoint]], this Bumblebee-themed digital watch has a nylon velcro strap with a rubber pull tab, a plastic case and chrome bezel, and an LCD display on the face.
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====Transformers Wacky Wobblers====
[[Image:WackyWobblers_ROTFBumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|200px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2009)

: This Bumblebee [[wikipedia:Bobblehead|bobblehead]] is part of the popular ''[[Wacky Wobblers]]'' line produced by [[wikipedia:Funko|Funko]]. Naturally, has a big ol' wobbly head but not much else. His design is very accurate, and he is permanently fixed to a base bearing his name.

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====Basic Fun====
*'''Articulated keychain''' (2009)

: Produced by [[Basic Fun]], this keychain is a likeness of Bumblebee's robot mode with articulated arms, legs, head, waist, and a keyring sticking out of his ass.

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*'''Slide Puzzle''' (2009)
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*'''Mini Figural Clip-Ons''' (2009)
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====Burger King====
[[Image:ROTFmerchandise-BurgerKingBumblebee.jpg|right|thumb|200px|You will press the button over and over just to make the Noise.]]
*'''Change-Up Bumblebee''' (2009)
:This [[Burger King]] toy is a representation of Bumblebee's concept Camaro vehicle form; though Bumblebee's four wheels are molded in, he has three extra wheels underneath to provide the ability to roll out. Pressing a button on his roof will play a sound clip of the [[Transformation#The_noise|G1 transformation sound effect]] and a small projectile will be launched from his front grill. The projectile has a sticker showing his robot mode on it. Flicking a switch on Bumblebee's underside will silence the sound chip, so the button will only launch the projectile.

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====Figure Collection====
[[Image:ROTF-Merchandise Figure Collection Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|150px]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)
**''Accessories:'' Stand

:The [[Figure Collection]] edition of Bumblebee depicts him in his concept Camero form, with his cannon deployed on his right arm.

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====McDonald's====
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*'''Bumblebee''' (Happy Meal, 2010)
**''Accessories:'' missile

:Part of the 2010 [[McDonald's]] Revenge of the Fallen promotion, Bumblebee does not transform but fires a projectile instead. Bumblebee features blue [[light-piping]], an unexpected feature for a fast food promotional toy, and features two points of articulation. He was only available during week 3 of the promotion, and came with an instruction sheet that doubles as an ad for [[McWorld]], featuring an exclusive code for the website.

====KLIK====
*'''Bumblebee''' (KLIK candy dispencer, 2009)

:This KLIK candy dispencer, made by Au'some inc., features Bumblebee's head on top. When you pull back a lever, it springs forward and launches the candy into your mouth, similar to PEZ.
'''''CAUTION''''': Do ''not'' aim at face.
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===Robot Heroes===
[[Image:Movie RobotHeroes BumblebeevsBarricade.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Back off man! I've got a gun!]]
*'''Bumblebee vs. Barricade''' (2007)

:The first ''Robot Heroes'' Bumblebee is based on his Camaro Concept body. It's also just about the only fiction-accurate RH pack ever made.....

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[[Image:Rhstarbee.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Bee's gonna pull it away when Screamer runs up to kick it.]]
*'''Armored Bumblebee vs. Starscream''' (2007)

:This version of ''Robot Heroes'' Bumblebee has his battle mask flipped down, posed holding the [[AllSpark (Movie)|All Spark]] cube as if he is warding away Decepticon aggressors.

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[[Image:RH Movie Bumblebee Starscream.jpg|right|300px|thumb|FINALLY! I have solved this accursed Rubik's Cube!]]
*'''Bumblebee vs. Starscream''' (2008)

:This version of Bumblebee is posed based upon the scene in the movie where he activates and transforms the All Spark cube.

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[[Image:RobotHeroes_BumblebeeLongHaul.JPG|right|300px|thumb|]]
*'''Bumblebee and Long Haul''' (2009)

:For the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' portion of ''Robot Heroes'', Bumblebee got a new crouching mold and was packaged with [[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]].

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[[Image:RobotHeroes_BattlefortheAllspark.jpg|300px|thumb|right|Is he...melting?]]
*'''Battle for the AllSpark''' (2009)

:Packaged in a set depicting the battle in [[Mission City]] with [[Brawl (Movie)|Decepticon Brawl]], [[Ratchet (Movie)|Autobot Ratchet]], [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], plus new figures of Sam Witwicky, [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] in fighter mode and Optimus Prime in vehicle mode, this is the first Bumblebee Robot Heroes figurine in vehicle mode.

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===Mighty Muggs===
[[Image:MightyMuggs_MovieBumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|200px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2009)
**''Accessories:'' Doors

: This [[super-deformed]], non-transformable Bumblebee figure uses the standard [[Mighty Muggs]] body template, with swivel joints in his neck and arms. What sets him apart from other Muggs (except [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Mighty Muggs|Starscream]]) is his detachable door-wings. Like the rest of his wave, Bumblebee was an exclusive at Diamond Distributors and [[Toys"R"Us]] stores.

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===Transformers (2010)===
[[Image:TF2010_Bumblebee_helmet.jpg|thumb|right|200px|]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Roleplay, 2010)

:A simple plastic mask based on Bumblebee's face. Does not provide protection!

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===Speed Stars===
====Mini-Vehicles====
[[Image:SpeedStars_MetalHeroes_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)
**''Series:'' '''Metal Heroes'''
**''Number:'' '''01 of 08'''

: This is one of the many redecoes of the RPM Speed Series Bumblebee mold with less paint details. Like all toys in the ''[[SpeedStars]]'' line, Bumblebee's Autobot insignia on the base of his vehicle mode has not been included.

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[[Image:SpeedStars_CyberHunt_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)
**''Series:'' '''Cyber Hunt'''
**''Number:'' '''01 of 04'''

: A redeco of Speed Series Bumblebee painting the back half of the car silver and adding cyberglyphics and other details.

: The back of Cyber Hunt Bumblebee's packaging shows another upcoming Bumblebee Mini-Vehicle in the Cyber Hunt line... but this toy does not appear among the Cyber Hunt series on a poster on the ''Speed Stars'' website. It remains to be seen what's up with that.

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[[Image:SpeedStars_NEST_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)
**''Series:'' '''N.E.S.T. Global Alliance'''
**''Number:'' '''01 of 03'''

: A redeco of Speed Series Bumblebee with different stripes and [[NEST]] logos on his doors.

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[[Image:SpeedStars_Stunticon_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Blatantly being the same toy each time, and you bought all four of them ''didn't you''?]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)
**''Series:'' '''Stunticon'''
**''Number:'' '''01 of 03'''

: A redeco of Speed Series Bumblebee with a single stripe and an Autobot logo on his hood, a paintjob based on the Legends class [[#Transformers (2010)|Cyberfire Bumblebee]] toy.

: During the period between 26 December 2010 and 31 January 2011, Hasbro ran their "[[Supercharge Your Holidays]]" promotion: for every $20 spent on Hasbro-branded product, customers could receive a free, random product from a list provided by Hasbro. Among the items on the list were "Transformers Combiners and Speed Star Mini-Vehicle" and "Transformers Activator and Speed Star Mini-Vehicle." According to [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=75487 this discussion thread on Allspark.com], Speed Stars Stunticon Bumblebee was one of the figures distributed.

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[[Image:SpeedStars_DoubleSiders_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010?)
**''Series:'' '''Double Siders'''
**''Number:'' '''0? of 03'''

: "Double Siders" Bumblebee is named such because of his new mold which features huge tires, allowing him to roll upside-down.

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[[Image:SpeedStars_Revealers_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)
**''Series:'' '''Revealers'''
**''Number:'' '''02 of 03'''

: "Revealers" Bumblebee is sculpted with various robot-mode parts protruding from his car mode, as if he's in mid-transformation.

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[[Image:SpeedStars_RoadAssault_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)
**''Series:'' '''Road Assault'''
**''Number:'' '''0? of 04'''

: A redeco of Speed Series Bumblebee with his name and robot mode silhouette on the doors.

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[[Image:SpeedStars_RobotRiders_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|That's... that's not his ''penis'', is it?]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010?)
**''Series:'' '''Robot Riders'''
**''Number:'' '''0? of 03'''

: Unlike all other ''SpeedStars'' Bumblebees, this one is sculpted in his robot mode. He's in a kneeling position with his gun in front of him, and can roll back and forth due to wheels under his legs.

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[[Image:Speedstars battleseries nightwatchbumblebee.jpg|300px|thumb|right|]]
*'''Nightwatch Bumblebee VS Patrol Barricade''' (2010)
**''Series:'' '''Battle Series 2'''
**''Number:'' '''02 of 06'''

: For the second series of two-packs, the Speed Series Bumblebee mold was redecoed in the common "inverted" color scheme of yellow on black. Aside from the regular yellow hubcaps that are common with this deco, Nightwatch Bumblebee has huge Autobot insignias covering the sides of the car. He was again packaged with Barricade, now redecoed blue. Like all toys in the SpeedStars line, Bumblebee's Autobot insignia on the base of his vehicle mode has not been included, despite what the package art depicts.

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*'''Bumblebee Track Set''' (2010)
**''Accessories:'' Bumblebee car
:The Bumblebee Track Set features a [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] figure for Bumblebee to smash into pieces. The Bumblebee included is a redeco of RPM Metal Heroes Bumblebee and features no paint applications on the "robot mode" on the underside of the car and has "Bumblebee" written on the sides.

:[http://www.hasbro.com/common/documents/dad2613e1c4311ddbd0b0800200c9a66/45C7096619B9F3691067135C264C241F.pdf Bumblebee Track Set online instructions.]

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[[Image:SpeedStars_BeastMachines_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2011)
**''Series:'' '''Beast Machines'''
**''Number:'' '''2 of 3'''

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[[Image:SpeedStars_NightAttack_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2011)
**''Series:'' '''Night Attack'''
**''Number:'' '''3 of 3'''

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[[Image:SpeedStars_Mini-Vehicles_StealthForce_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2011)
**''Series:'' '''Stealth Force'''
**''Number:'' '''2 of 5'''

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[[Image:SpeedStars_TransScan_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2011)
**''Series:'' '''Trans Scan'''
**''Number:'' '''1 of 3'''

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====Lights & Sounds====
[[Image:SpeedStars_LightsSounds_BasicBumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Basic, 2010)

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[[Image:SpeedStars_LightSounds_DeluxeBumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2010)

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====Radio Control====
[[Image:SpeedStars_RadioControl_Bumblebee.jpg|300px|thumb|right|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)

:This incarnation of remote controlled Bumblebee is a different mold from the RPM version, and has a more generic controller with a stock picture of Bumblebee's face on it. It uses the same controller and wheel molds as Radio Control [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]].

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====Stealth Force====
=====Mini Changers=====
[[Image:SpeedStars_StealthForce_MiniChangers_Bumblebee&SentinelPrime.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Stealth Force Bumblebee & Sentinel Prime''' (2011)

:The Bumblebee toy was included with the Wii video game ''[[Dark of the Moon (Wii)|Transformers: Dark of the Moon - Stealth Force Edition]]''
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[[Image:SpeedStars_StealthForce_MiniChangers_CrumplezoneVsBumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Stealth Force Crumplezone Vs. Bumblebee''' (2011)

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=====Basic=====
[[Image:SpeedStars_StealthForce_Bumblebee.jpg|300px|thumb|right|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)

:''Stealth Force'' Bumblebee is a non-transforming car with several hidden weapons throughout his frame. Pushing or pulling his rear bumper causes non-firing blasters to pop out of his hood, doors and fenders.

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*'''Bumblebee''' (2011)

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=====Electronic=====
*'''Bumblebee''' (2011)

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===Dual Model Kit===
[[Image:DOTM_DualModelKit_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2011)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''DMK02'''

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==Bigger Toys==
[[Image:ChevyCamaroTransformersSpecialEdition.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Chevrolet Camaro Transformers Special Edition''' (2009)

:Starting [[June 1]], 2009, [[General Motors|Chevrolet]] began taking orders for the Bumblebee Edition package for the 2009/2010 Chevy Camaro. The package consists of Rally Yellow exterior color with black "Bumblebee" stripes and "''Transformers''" badging on the wheel center caps, sill plates and embroidered console lid. The package was available for Camaro LT and SS models.

:Production of the Transformers Special Edition ceased on [[January 12]], [[2010]], and with an estimated 1,500 Camaro to have been produced straight from order workbenches.<ref>[http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48563 "Camaro changes - Aqua Blue and Transformers Edition to end; high wing spoiler; hurst". Camaro5.com]</ref> Though production for this full package (with an order of a new Camaro) has ceased, the individual parts that made up the package can still be purchased through authorised GM accessory dealers. However, inspection of the the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) would reveal if the Camaro was a true Transformers Special Edition or an after-market clone.

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==Notes==
[[Image:ROTF Legends Bumblebee HTS.jpg|thumb|200px|Are you calling me yellow? ... wait.]]
* A weapon considered for Bumblebee was a pair of arm-mounted electrical [[Stinger (weapon)|stingers]]. The Bumblebee Camaro '09 toy's blade weapon might have been influenced by this early concept.
*Stock photos of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends-class Bumblebee toy show it in a much brighter shade of yellow plastic than it was released as. The reason for this change is unknown.

==References==
<references />

==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/Bumblebee/bumblebee.htm Bumblebee at TFU.info]
* [http://www.seibertron.com/toys/index.php?f_series=40&f_name=bumblebee&f_t Bumblebee toy galleries at Seibertron.com]

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Dark science

2010-12-28T22:42:23Z

Bobcat2022: /* Notes */ edited syntax to clarify that "all the fiction above" was written by Furman, not that it was all first to mention.

:''Dark science is a source of power from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:WarWithin_Escalation_Bludgeons_vision.jpg|thumb|right|350px|''"Fencing diamonds, fixing cockfights, publishing indecent magazines. / You'll pay for every crime! / Knee-deep in electric slime! / You'll suffer 'till the end of time, / enduring tortures, most of which rhyme, / trapped forever, here in Robot Hell!"'']]
'''Dark science''' is a source of power residing in every [[Transformer]], albeit in dormant state. It seems to be related to the power of [[Primus|their]] [[Unicron|gods]] and entails a deep understanding of the possibilities of their heritage.

It should not be confused with [[magic]], which has nothing on science.

{{bigquote|That's '''dark science''' for you! There are more things in the [[Universe (universe)|universe]] and [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] than are '''dreamed''' of in your philosophy!|[[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] puts down [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], who only has a grasp on average science|"[[Revelation (The Dark Ages)|Revelation]]"}}

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==Fiction==
===Generation 1===
====Dreamwave Generation 1 comics====
[[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], [[Bugly]] and [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]] had split from [[Decepticon|their former faction]] and formed the [[Chaos Trinity]]. Residing in [[Kalis]], the three used dark science to conjure a swarm of insectoid robots to rain vengeance on their enemies. Yet in the middle of the proceedings, they were approached by [[The Fallen]], who poked fun at what little understanding they actually had about the dark arts. He then offered them access to powers far greater if they would be willing to help him find the "four angles in the geometry of dissolution" for a ceremony called "the [[Unbinding]]". Naturally, they accepted. {{storylink|Fragmentation}}

After helping with the preparations at the [[Seal of Primus]], Bludgeon voiced the Chaos Trinity's need for some proof of the power The Fallen had promised them. The Fallen indulged, giving Bludgeon a vision of what realm lingered in the forgotten corner of the Transformer race's origins. By this, Bludgeon was more than motivated to carry out the rest of The Fallen's orders. Utilizing both his intellect and grasp on dark science, he designed for two of the angles, [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] and [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]], to deliver themselves into their hands. {{storylink|Escalation (Dreamwave)|Escalation}} Jetfire arrived to meet with [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] as arranged in the [[Neutral Territories]], where the dark science-enhanced Chaos Trinity took them out with ease and proceeded to abduct Jetfire. Grimlock, however, had gotten around their scheme and launched a surprise attack the three stood powerless against. Not amused, The Fallen came into action then himself to take out Grimlock, {{storylink|Revelation (The Dark Ages)|Revelation}} and ordered the Chaos Trinity to go after [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]] while he'd use his power to get the final angle, [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]], out of Autobot imprisonment. {{storylink|Confrontation (issue)|Confrontation}}

Taking power from the four unique sparks they had collected, The Fallen started the Unbinding to force Primus out of his hiding and, as a result, return Unicron from his banishment. Meanwhile, on the planet's surface above, the Chaos Trinity was assigned to keep the joined forces of the Decepticons and Autobots at bay long enough for the Unbinding to succeed, at which point they'd receive their reward. But even with their already awakened abilities, they were no match for the legion of Transformers that came to stop whatever was going on, and were taken out. The Fallen also did not fare very well; for all the power at his disposal, he could not prevent Grimlock and Jetfire from sabotaging the ceremony and destroying him. {{storylink|Conflagration}}

===''Universe''===
====3H comics====
[[Unicron]] and [[Minion of Unicron|his servants]] had thrown up dark science shields to prevent [[Primus]] from spying on them. {{storylink|Homecoming (issue)|Homecoming}}

==Notes==
* The unofficial story "[[Alignment]]"– written, like all the fiction above, by [[Simon Furman]]– was the first Transformers fiction to mention dark science. It was practiced in there by a former acolyte of Unicron named Direwolf, who used his powers to bring together the sparks of himself, [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]], [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] and [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] to provide the energy needed to revive [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]].

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Talk:Overlord (G1)

2010-12-28T22:36:32Z

Bobcat2022: /* Gender? */ have I got a roughly correct grasp of Overlord's pronoun situation?

== Overlord vs. Gigatron ==
Is Gigatron really a different character than Overlord, or is it just another instance of two seperate names for the same Transformer? [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 21:47, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
:Dreamwave's MTMTE guide went on to characterise him as an ancient mechanoid who first conceived the Powermaster process, so I'd say yes. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:53, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

::Raising the inevitable question- is Gigatron UK Overlord, or are Gigatron, Overlord (UK) and VOerlord (MF) all 3 seperate characters? (Overlord (UK) is certainly not Overlord (MF), he's not even a Powermaster!) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:55, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
:::This is a question I choose not to answer! :D (Although one might theorise that Overlord UK is the post-MF fully robotic Overlord Transtector.) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:59, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

:Dreamwave also had Dai Atlas and Deathsaurus as ancient TF's. And it has Sunstorm (who is not generally a clone) as a clone, along with a bunch of other non-clones like Ricochet and Monacle. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:03, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
::Mmn, but at the same time, they didn't change their names. "Same body, same names, different setting" would equal "alternate version of same character," moreso than "different name, different setting, same body" would. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:04, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

:::Isn't there also a UK comic character called Overlord? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:08, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
::::Yah, from "State Games," I think. But IIRC, that was a title ("The Overlord") rather than the bloke's actual NAME, for what that's worth. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:10, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

:::::Last of The Overlords, who had once ruled Cybertron. I construed the ovelords were reponsible for the city-state clustering, having foudned them as personal power bases before dying off of old age... but there's nothign int he story itself to support that. They were a source of stability on Cybertronw hile they held power. After they died, planetary war broke otu almost imemdiately and never really ended. One cour argue this indicates TF's, which have a sort of inherited monarchy system, were not culturally ready for self-rule.-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:25, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

::Going by that logic, Derik, then every different G1 continuity should be completely removed from all the others as far as characters go. Skyfire and Jetfire (his Marvel version, anyway) are obviously the same character, yet their origins are just as different as Dreamwave's interpretations of Sunstorm and Gigatron/Overlord. And as I recall, this same discussion came up regarding Stepper/Ricochet. To me, it seems like we really need some solid criteria for deciding when an American name of a Japanese character makes it a new character, and when it's merely the difference between Prime and Convoy. Especially because expecting a new G1 continuity to be exactly the same as an old one is just ridiculous. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 11:35, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

:::The point of me bringing up Sunstorm (whi in other continuities is NOT a clone) was to say "Dreamwave did somethigtn funky- but that does nto necessarily mean he's not one of the other Overlords." -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:15, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

::::Well, I've gussied up the section to make the question a bit more open. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:22, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Gingatron apparently take his QUOOTE from the UK Overlord, but his bio from his Japanese bio. (which wasn't much like wh was on the show, but there uyou go, that's why Gigatron's bio soudns so wierd.)

Based on '''that''' are we thinkign that Gigatron == Overlord UK == Overlord JP? They have to be at different points in his life-- energon figures are clearly '''not''' Powermasters or Godmasters, but are we confident in sayign hese 3 characters are in fact 1 character? -21:47, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

:In different timelines/dimensions, sure. Jsut as how, as noted, Sunstorm can be a generic trooper, a super-powered clone, or a minion of Megazarak all at once. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:56, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

:Hmn, y'know, you're right. I don't know WHY I thought it was based on his UK bio... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 23:00, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

:: Well, if you compare: [http://members.aol.com/regenesis0/overlord.jpg Overlord's spec], [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.toys.transformers.moderated/msg/eea8dc38822feee0?hl=en& Godmaster Ovalrolled's spec], and [http://www.bwtf.com/pvc/hoc/techspecs/gigatronback.jpg Gigatron's epec]

:: You see all 3 actally cotain similar language, refering to the weapons plant in him.

::So, if we assume the Dreamweave continutiy refers to Hic Gigatron (And I think it does, because we know they had plans for Gigatron from itnerviews) Then we have 3 warring interpetations of the character:
* Dreamwave: Ancient Transformer who made initial forays into what would (when later perfected by the Autobots on Nebulos) be known as Powermaster techology. Developed the technology for the original Decepticon push towards space. Powermaster.
* UK: Legendy Transformer who emerges from the shadows to wasge a one-man-war, with a promise of a full-scale invasion if he secures a beachhead. Armed with something similar to Powermaster technolgoy (dependign on what you think Energon figures are, they have to be power-related)
* Japanese: Undersea monster not seen until Masterforce's present, may have existed for centuries, but did not (based on all evidence) exist on Cybertron, or have a history there.

::All 3 share elements of their tech-specs,t he weapons refinery. Two share quotes, 1 lacks a quote. They are Powermaster, Energon-figure and Godmaster.

::I'm sayign 3 aspects of 1 character, with the MF version being odd-man-out because it lacks any real 'history' prior to MF.
::And while the HoC Gigatron's conflict with PM Optimus was probably a ''reference;; to Masterforce, I thin had Dreamwave made it allt he way to Nebulos, Gigatron would have shown up there. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:41, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Is there any canonical material linking HOC Gigatron to Dreamwave Gigatron? All DW ever officially published about Gigatron was his name and his anciently-powerfulness. No physical description, no image. James McDonaugh and Adam Patyk had said in some interview somewhere that they wanted Gigatron to be Overlord after all--but that development was never published. So does it count? If we start kowtowing to unpublished non-canonical material, don't we plummet into 'Dark Glass' territory?

My point is that given the Lioconvoy --> Leo Prime business, I think there is clear precedence to turn Overlord into Gigatron, and the DW published canonical material that gave Gigatron a different backstory never linked Gigatron to being Overlord in any way, shape, or form.

: Again, though, there are TONS of instances of characters who are portrayed wildly different in different continuities. Take Marvel Grimlock vs. Cartoon Grimlock. Or Shockwave. Or Blaster. Hell, in Dreamwave's continuity, Scourge and Cyclonus are completely different robots rather than being reformatted from the seekers or the Insecticons. Should they get different pages, too? It's quite clear that Overlord and Gigatron are meant to be the same character, even if they were portrayed differently in different continuities. The same holds true for Leo Prime and Lio Convoy. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 08:07, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I like the way this is done now with the UK story info from his bio IN the fiction section. A LOT of the toy bios actually have STORY in them when you come down to it and I don't think that story should be ignored or marginalized just cause of it's location. It's still Story and it is still something these entries should inform folks about. I think when warented Tech Spec story deserves its own entry in the Fiction catagory, such as it is here.

:Sign your goddamn posts bitch. If you can't b bothered to sign in, do it manually. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:48, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

== Combined Jet Mode ==

This is the first I've heard about it, and I can't seem to find any pictures. Anyone got any info on when this mode was used and/or pictures they can put up of the mode? --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] 21:58, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
:I often wondered that myself. I finally found the answer [http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/masterforce-overlord-s-alternate-large-jet-mode-what-is-it-t60019s300.php here] - basically, attach the tank halves to the jet mode. That's all.--[[User:Cyberman|Cyberman]] 07:33, 9 August 2010 (EDT)

== Euro Overlord bio - dimension crossing ==

Is that the first official reference to what we now know as the TF multiverse? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:35, 30 August 2009 (EDT)

==Overlord (G1) vs Overlord (Masterforce)==

Let me preface this by saying that I think the whole 'disambig by franchise' for the Japanese G1 series is very silly and I don't like it. That said, just because this guy LATER shows up in a G1 series doesn't mean that his franchise of origin isn't Masterforce, right? So shouldn't he stay at Overlord (Masterforce), as much as I'm not keen? Or am I overthinking this? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 18:41, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
:I suppose if we were being literal about it, yes. But I feel that it's just a dishonest descriptor - "Overlord (Masterforce)" is a lifeless robot controlled by two human begins, which could not be farther from what the other Overlords/Gigatrons are. "G1" just seems to encapsulate the variant version fo the character better.
:(I am, incidentally, ''really, really not happy about this'', as a result of my closeness with Masterforce, and godamimt, I just really want this to go to G1, so ''bloody well just let it stay there guys for god's sake I am a cauldron of rage'' . I shook Nick Roche vigorously when I found out about this at Auto Assembly to get him to call the character "Gigatron", but it was not to be. And I know you're grinning out there, Derik, stop it!) - }[[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:52, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
:::''But I feel that it's just a dishonest descriptor - "Overlord (Masterforce)" is a lifeless robot controlled by two human begins, which could not be farther from what the other Overlords/Gigatrons are.''
::In which case, '''why are they on the same frigging page'''?! Have an [[Overlord (G1)]] (neé Gigatron) *and* an [[Overlord (Masterforce)]] if need be, but keep them separate. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:28, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
:::I...! Well.... that.... I... like the way you think! Hmn! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:30, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Technically, there could be up to seven separate character pages. The only real question is which pages should be combined.
:::#Giga
:::#Mega
:::#Overlord—Giga and Mega's lifeless (multi-component) transtector.
:::#Overlord—post-human Overlord #3 after getting a life of his own.
:::#Overlord—the European toy that features two [[Energon figure]]s.
:::#Gigatron—the Powermaster.
:::#Overlord—the IDW Transformer.
:::For the other Masterforce characters, their human component, lifeless transtector, and post-human living transtector all share the same page. Overlord has his two human components separated out. #5 is loosely connected to #4 due to a cryptic reference to dimension-hopping in #5's bio. #6 is loosely tied to #5 by virtue of looking alike and having a weapons factory in their bodies but the mechanics of their gimmicks are different and have different names. That means #4 is loosely connected to #6 because they are both loosely connected to #5. #7 is presumably going to be a completely re-invented homage of... somebody. If it were me, because the whole mess is so complicated I would probably have all seven pages. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:09, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
::::Well, on 3 & 4, we separate [[Teletran-1]] and [[Omega Supreme (Animated)]]... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:42, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
::::Thus, you see, the reason I just put them all on one page - becuase there's so many variant versions, a lot of which don't really have anything to do with one another beyond looking the same and having the same name, but the lines between which are blurred ''just'' enough to make it an issue of debate, that it's just *easier*. Much as it rankles me, I think this is the simplest, smoothest way of relating the information. But so far as this notion goes, I'd just put 3-4 on the "Masterforce" page, and 5-8 on a "G1" page. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:10, 15 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::I see the problem. Due to dimension hopping, #5 could actually ''be'' the same character as #4. #7 is a G1 character but probably a re-imaged version of #3 and/or #4 with an ordinary backstory instead of once being two humans. So I agree it is least confusing to have them all on one page. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:29, 28 January 2010 (EST)

==Overlord (G1) vs Overlord (Masterforce) revisited==
OK, clearly, I'm not the only person who has a hard time wrapping their brain around this whole franchise-thing. I've been dwelling on it a bit and I think the issue is this - we have only one article per character per continuity family. So, that being the case, why on Earth are we disambiguating down to the franchise (i.e. the logo associated with it) level?

Let's really examine this. Shattered Expectations came out BEFORE Shattered Glass, so shouldn't ANY SG character who appeared there go by the Transformers Collector's Club disambiguation instead? There's no SG logo or insignia anywhere on that fiction. Also, wouldn't characters who appear first in the Transformers / G.I. Joe crossover books belong in THAT 'franchise'? It seems to me that we're adding in a whole extra level of complexity for no good reason that I can think of.

Well, that's not quite true. The Unicron Trilogy was lousy with repeat names for different characters. This was, and still is, a relatively rare situation for most other continuity families. We can get the maximum benefit, though by disambiguating to the continuity family level as a default and going by franchise when necessary. And, if two articles from the same franchise have the same name, then we can disambiguate further.

Every time I see a character who was introduced in RotF having that label, even though the whole movie-verse is one big universe, it just seems incredibly silly.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 03:01, 15 December 2009 (EST)

:Especially now that he's appearing in [[Last Stand of the Wreckers]], I too throw in my vote for a move to Overlord (G1). -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 14:37, 26 January 2010 (EST)

:Even if we disambiguated at the continuity family level, there's [[Overlord (Cobra)|another Overlord in G1]], so in this case I'm thinking neither would get the G1 disambig anyway. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 14:58, 26 January 2010 (EST)
::Given that he's a G.I. Joe character, I don't think he really counts. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 15:06, 26 January 2010 (EST)
:::<s>It does still count, actually. Basically, there's two things with the same name in G1, thus they need to get disambiguated a different way.</s> Actually, no, you might be right, I forgot about [[Crankcase (disambiguation)]] off the top of my head. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:11, 26 January 2010 (EST)

:::Yeah, Transformers should always get dibs on "good suffixes" over non-Transformers. As for Overlord.... look, the whole reason he's in this comic at all is that TF fans like him, because he IS an "old-time" Japanese G1 character. This story is going to be his most widely-exposed fictional medium, and I am fairly confident when I say that I'm not expecting to see any organic humanoid drivers show up. The uniquely Masterforce storyline elements no longer really apply; the character role is all that matters. So I think he ought to be Overlord (G1). --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:15, 26 January 2010 (EST)
::::And really, if we disambig'd the same character in different continuities of the same continuity family, we'd be splitting up a lot more pages than just this; Scorponok comes to mind most readily as being in roughly the same situation as Overlord. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 15:19, 26 January 2010 (EST)
:::::Why is it that people have an immense problem with giving Japanese G1 characters their franchise of origin (which has always been our rule) as disambiguations while characters in ''Beast Wars II'', ''Beast Wars Neo'', ''Beast Machines'', and ''Return of the Fallen'' all get their respective franchises without a complaint? As for him appearing in a IDW comic: So what? Why should we move articles based on the flavor of the month? We've adhered steadfastly to the "franchise of origin" rule ([[Sideways (RID)]] being a prime example) and you want to break it because some IDW miniseries is imaginatively "going to be his most widely-exposed fictional medium"? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:38, 26 January 2010 (EST)
::::::Actually, I ''did'' think (and still think, for that matter) that giving characters ROTF disambigs was really silly because the movies are all a single continuity/storyline, but I got voted down on that one. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:14, 26 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::Franchise of origin is a terrible way to disambiguate someone, precisely because of the problems above. Disambiguation should be by the largest set appropriate. If a character, object, item, concept, place, or whatever has a unique name, no disambiguation is used. If there's more than one name but only one of the name shows up in a continuity family, then that's how we should disambiguate. If there's more than one name per continuity family but only one of a name shows up in a franchise, we should use that. If there's more than one name per franchise, then we should further sub-divide. Otherwise we are conveying mis-information. This all got started because of rampant reuse of minicon names in the UT ... there's no reason that to infect ROTF and G1 and whatnot. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:53, 26 January 2010 (EST)
::::::::Seems to me that problems with general policy should be taken up in the community portal discussion. UT Mini-Cons are not the only example of massive name reuse within a continuity family—you completely ignore the Beast Era and G2 being part of the G1 continuity family. Your proposed system of disambiguation would require us to move every single G1 character whose name got reused in either one, since "G1" would be taken to mean the continuity family and not the actual franchise. Are you okay with "Megatron (original G1 Decepticon leader)", since BW Megatron is of the G1 continuity family as well? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 22:17, 26 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::::Perhaps the discussion should be moved. But I'll point out that, in your example, the guy we currently call Megatron (G1) would default to Franchise, which for G1 we've always taken to be .... G1. So he'd remain Megatron (G1), and the guy we call Megatron (BW) would remain Megatron (BW). I'm sure you CAN find a bad example. (That G1 is both a Franchise and a continuity family is clumsy, but there you have it.) All that would happen is all the ROC and Masterforce and Headmaster disambiguations would mostly default to G1, which is IMO a good thing. It'd mean some work on the ROTF disambiguations, but it's much better to do the work NOW, before it gets too big, than later.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 22:49, 26 January 2010 (EST)
::::::::::"Megatron (G1)" would become ambiguous. Someone at the Megatron (G1) page could reasonably assume he was the only Megatron for the whole continuity family. I would suggest "Megatron (G1 franchise)". The continuity family for the movie-verse is currently [[live-action film series]]. So what would the disambiguation be? My opinion is that disambiguation by franchise isn't broke so don't try to fix it. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:02, 26 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::Jim, but wouldn't you be "conveying misinformation" by implying "Megatron (G1)" is the only Megatron in the G1 continuity family? And logically, we would have to move characters like [[Cheetor (BW)]] and [[Randy (BWN)]] to "Cheetor (G1)" and "Randy (G1)". [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:12, 26 January 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::Yes, that's what we'd need to do for Cheetor and Randy and whatnot, and I think it'd be for the better. And the G1 franchise / continuity family is an odd case but not one that I think anyone will find especially confusing.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 00:47, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::::I don't think I could possibly agree with this any less. This seems like an absolutely ridiculous amount of work for zero benefit whatsoever and a large number of detriments. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:49, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::::Yeah, that's what we said three years ago when we changed things from what you suggest to what we have now. "Hot Shot (UT)" used to be a page location! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:52, 26 January 2010 (EST)
::::::::::Why ever did you change it? Hot Shot (UT) is both more intuitive and more accurate than Hot Shot (Armada). (I know, I know, assloads of mini-cons, but again, it seems like a shame to hold the whole brand hostage to those corner cases.)--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 00:57, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::Because it was more useful and more informative to use the franchise-of-origin, rather than the more-obscure continuity family names. I see no reason to change it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:00, 27 January 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::More useful how? Informative I'll grant, in that it conveys more information, but I'd contend that that's not the purpose of a disambiguation note. I mean, if that REALLY was the TRUE purpose, we'd put the franchise of origin as part of EVERY article's name, whether we need a disambiguation note or not.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 01:09, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::::There are 2 different UT Ironhides, Prowls, Checkpoints, Cliffjumpers, Infernos, Thrusts, Sunstorms, Smokescreens, Knock Outs, Wreckages, Backstops, Armorhides, Blurrs, Laserbeaks... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:45, 27 January 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::Correct, so those guys would go down to the franchise level ... and the literally hundreds of guys who DON'T have two incarnations per continuity family wouldn't.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 10:06, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::::::I'm with Jim, disambiguate by largest available grouping. The ONLY problem with this system is that G1 is a franchise and a continuity family, and that should really be changed. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:43, 27 January 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::::Maybe the continuity family stays (G1) and the original franchise becomes (TF) since it WAS just called Transformers and the term G1 was a later creation?--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 10:47, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::::::::That would be good except there are later G1 characters introduced as part of an actual "Generation 1" franchise and not simply "Transformers". - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:10, 27 January 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::::::That's ... surprisingly not terrible. And Starfield, ARE there characters introduced as part of an actual "Generation 1" franchise? I don't recall seeing a "Generation 1" logo anywhere.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:17, 27 January 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::::I see Jim's point. That is how the wiki itself is organized. Characters are grouped by continuity family. However, "continuity family" is a concept sorta made up by the wiki. It would probably be better to disambiguate by something more concrete. Plus I think Jim is underestimating the amount of tear-up. And the system isn't broken right now. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:10, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::::::::I think it's more broken than people think. The fact that these debates come up time and time again (Overlord, The Swarm, the whole ROTF thing) means that a LOT of our contributors don't really get the franchise of origin thing. All of those cases are theoretically really straightforward with our current system, and yet a LOT of people are uncomfortable with them. The root cause for this discomfort is the disconnect between how we disambiguate and how we organize. And "continuity family" isn't entirely made up by us, it's acknowledged by several official sources including the Transtech stories, the AllSpark Almanac and Alternity.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:16, 27 January 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::::::Er, calling anything (TF) is a terrible idea, as I can see it confusing the heck out of non-editors and new folks not very familiar with our scheme. Plus, what would it mean for IDW and Dreamwave-only characters? Even the really obscure Primax identifier would be better than that.
::::::::::::::::::And, uh. Considering that the original universal stream references in TransTech were written into the stories by wiki editors, the continuity family idea '''is''' essentially completely made up by us. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:56, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::::::::::Well, so what? It's not '''USED''' only by us, there is actual official Transformers fiction that acknowledges it. Who cares where the idea comes from? I'm not looking to debate semantics here, but to actually understand the logic behind the current system and just possibly see if a different approach might work better. Starfield's point was that the continuity family idea is not concrete, in universe, and I was showing that that's incorrect.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:02, 27 January 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::::::::Again, since the concept is, AFAIK, only used by wiki editors so far other than the Alternity stuff, saying it really means something outside of wiki folks technically isn't all that correct. It's like that situation a while back where a Wikipedia article made something up, a newspaper published the info based solely on the wiki article, and then the wiki article claimed the newspaper article was now a notable reference. I'm not saying it isn't official now anyway, I'm just saying you're kidding yourself if you think the concept really means a whole lot outside of the wiki circle.
::::::::::::::::::::That doesn't mean I don't wish we could disambiguate by continuity family, however, as it doesn't matter whether our categorization scheme has an official basis or not so long as it works for us. But [[Help talk:Disambiguation/Franchise-based vs. Fiction-based|didn't we already decide it didn't seem feasible]]?
::::::::::::::::::::Or is this a different enough case that someone should make a new sandbox to figure out exactly what changes would result and whether it would work better? I actually don't think the Beast Wars stuff would be a problem, as we treat "Beast Era" as a continuity family anyway, but that still leaves G2 up in the air. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:48, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::::::::::::I think you've just hit on the heart of the problem. In some cases we treat "Beast Era" as a continuity family and in others as simply a part of the larger "G1" continuity family. Perhaps we should formalize this. Make "Beast Era" a separate thing, leave the rest of the "G1" continuity family at "G1", and state that the two are part of a larger "Primax" cluster. The Primax designation would NOT be used in disambigs. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:25, 27 January 2010 (EST) PS As I biologist I am seeing a parallel here with the cladistics/systematics debate in taxonomy.
Side note:
:"Let's really examine this. Shattered Expectations came out BEFORE Shattered Glass, so shouldn't ANY SG character who appeared there go by the Transformers Collector's Club disambiguation instead? There's no SG logo or insignia anywhere on that fiction."
:Er, SE was intended as a part of the SG franchise, so I don't see the issue here. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:27, 26 January 2010 (EST)
::Also, didn't we do it that way to start with and found it too confusing and hard to keep straight? Judicious use of the term "usually" can often improve the functioning of a rule.[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:25, 26 January 2010 (EST)
:::I think there's been an enormous amount of words with very little said here. IF the system is by the first franchise they appear in, and not the one we think is going to be the most well known, then this whole issue is moot. Overlord's a guy from Masterforce. The end. All this arguing over semantics is giving me an arse ache. Here's a much bigger issue, why has no American started working on the LSOTW page/character information? Hop to it people. Cause I sure as hell can't yet [[USer:Eire]] 16.44 27 Jan 2010(UTC)
:::::Hey, screw you! I've been working on LSOTW pages nonstop for over 24 hours! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:14, 28 January 2010 (EST)
::::I don't know if I can agree with this ''more''. I'm really not sure what all this jawboning is trying to accomplish. The sheer amount of work for an incredibly vague payoff that applies to so few entries with some of the proposed ramifications of this change being so far from counter-intuitive that I have a hard time believing they were actually seriously proposed... don't we have much better things to do? There's still plenty of FP stuff to wiki! --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:54, 27 January 2010 (EST)

Jim wrote: ''Starfield's point was that the continuity family idea is not concrete, in universe, and I was showing that that's incorrect.''

Okay, so "[[Optimus Prime (G1)]]" moves to "Optimus Prime (Primax)." Where would "[[Optimus Prime (Worlds Collide)]]" move to?
While it's '''nice''' to know that there is an in-universe system exactly ''like'' continuity families... our disambigs are currently '''loosely''' tied to continuity-family designations-- an out-fiction concept. If we tied them to an in-fiction concept... not only would we be using a more confusing nonmelementure, the numeber of arguments about who goes where would probably '''tripple''' because having adopted such a system it would logically become imperative that the information it communicates '''be correct''', and there are many characters for whom it's just impossible to say. What's Vector Prime's continuity-of-origin? Are we allowed to make assumptions and best-guesses? ...because we're now '''canonizing''' that guess as '''the name of the article'''.

Disambigs are <u>not supposed to convey information.</u> Because anytime we've seriously considered a system that did-- someone was able to come up with dozens of hundreds of system-breaking examples. '''strictly''' speaking, we sould probably disambiguate "Optimus Prime (1)", "Optimus Prime (2)", except that would be madness, and carries it's own problems involving Prowls and Catgirls.
* The purpose of the disambiguation tag is to keep articles on separate characters '''separate''', not to convey information.
* The purpose of standardizing the tags (within our limited ability to do so) is to make our jobs easier by making them easier to remember, not to make them harder by adopting a complicated system.
* If name-reuse was not rampant in the UT, then UT would probably be the disambig. "(Movie)" '''used''' to refer to the continuity-family. We had to have a long argument (ending in a vote for formal purposes though IIRC there was general agreement) to fully-disambiguate the two movies liek the UT franchises are-- so characters who premiered in ROTF dont' get "(Movie)".
* Discussing how "really the cartoon and comics version of Optimus Prime should be separate articles" is neither relevant nor helpful.
* Pointing out that "[[Transformers (2007)]]" should actually be "Movie (2007)" if we were being consistent is '''wildly''' unhelpful Derik, why are you even bringing it up?
** Oh, it's to point out that the overzealous pursuit of consistency will produce results which are '''incredibly retarded'''. That's '''why''' our standard disambigs are described as "consistently inconsistent", they are only as consistent as makes our lives easier. When doing so would make our jobs harder, they are allowed to remain inconsistent.

I also disagree with Jim's contention that the system is broken because many editors don't understand it, which resulting in arguments every few months. I argue that since editors are able to '''use''' the system despite '''not understanding how it works''', the system is in fact '''super-operative'''.
95% of the time, grasping the broad pattern of how disambigs work is "enough" to work with the system. The '''actual''' rules are ungodly complicated and hinge on a web of shifting precedent. Requiring that casual and new editors ''know'' that system is impractical-- because even experienced editors struggle with and argue over its application in problem-circumstances. In the 5% of cases where the casual editor mis-disambigs a character, it's swiftly corrected with no real "cost." In the .02% of cases where it devolves into a huge argument... '''it was probably going to devolves into a huge argument anyway.'''

I mean-- '''for gods sake'''. We have '''Straxus-Galvatron''' as "Galvatron (G1)," grouped with his cartoon (and Ladybird, and Coloring Books) counterparts, and Megatron-Galvatron as "Galvatron II"-- who is for some reason considered a seperate character, and the Ladybird guys aren't "also him." '''It's a messy, stupid, imperfect system.'''

But trying to impose a less-imperfect system would cause chaos-- because sometimes the disambigs just '''need''' to be that stupid, because the '''reality''' is that stupid or convoluted. No smart or elegant system can possibly hope to cope with the dumb and inelegant knots Transformers sometimes ties for itself.

Frankly, I think 90% of these arguments would go away if we caved and gave characters infoboxes, in which case people would stop looking at the disambigs and defer tot he boxes. But we'd never be able to stick with a '''small''' infobox-- it would inevitably feature-creep into a monstrous creation that would mis-represent anythign which didn't fit into neat little categories.
Transformers just isn't a 'tidy' fiction like that. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:03, 28 January 2010 (EST)
:As usual, Derik brings up some excellent points (he's right about the current system being super-operative) and, as usual, Derik misses some obvious ones (for instance, I'm not saying that the in-universe continuity family concept of primax, aurex, etc be used). That the idea of continuity families has some in universe support is not critical to my proposal. My basic thought process boils down to:
::'''"The wiki is organized by continuity family, with one article per character per continuity family. Disambiguations, ideally, should work the same way when possible." '''
:Everything else is just the nuts and bolts of how to get to this, IMO, highly desirable state. Is Beast Wars a continuity family? In universe, no, for the wiki, it's borderline. I'm really not worried about the work - we have only 10K articles, and a lot of them don't have disambiguations, and the majority of those that DO have disambiguations can be done by scripts. I'll do it by hand if I have to over a weekend.
:So, I think the real question I'm asking is, do other people agree or disagree with the 'mission statement' that I laid out above. If everyone disagrees with it, it's pointless to debate the practical matters of implementation. If people agree with it, we could sandbox out possible solutions and see if they actually work. They may not! But if people disagree with it, then there's no point in trying and I'll bow out gracefully.
:I'm not calling for a vote or anything, really I'm just trying to understand if my own intuition for how things SHOULD be jives with that of other peoples.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:22, 28 January 2010 (EST)
:::Even though the wiki is organized by continuity family, that's not how we should organize names. I don't see why that should be so. Hasbro basically uses every new franchise as an excuse to reuse its stockpile of names, therefore our current way of doing things is more functional. Plus, it's not broken. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:05, 28 January 2010 (EST)
::Why not just go ahead and do a sandbox of various examples? Last time this sort of convo came up, it was a good way to actually explore the idea and come up with more concrete examples of pro and con than just people's tastes. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:00, 28 January 2010 (EST)
::Ideally, yes I agree. However there is much I don't like about the implementation.
::*I don't like "G1" as the name of the continuity family. It leads to weird situations like a G2 original guy being labeled (G1). The continuity family should be the official term (Primax) or something else entirely.
::*What would the [[live-action film series]] disambiguation be? Please don't say "Movie".
::*There are some characters with unknown continuity families. Mostly from Universe 2003 I think.
::*We know how this system works. Questions over who belongs where have pretty much been settled. Even for this article. We all agree that this is where he belongs in the current system (see "Move" section below)—this discussion is whether we should change the system. The new system is somewhat unknown. It is unknown how many characters would have questionable disambiguations. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 13:05, 28 January 2010 (EST)
::::The system is fine as it is, and does NOT need to change. Even if we decided to move this ONE article, it should ONLY be done with understanding that we are making an EXCEPTION (Because allowing for exceptions where warranrted = A Good Thing!). I honestly don't care one way or the other about this article's title, but if moving this article meeans a system-wide change then I vote NO, NO, A THOUSAND TIMES NO. Also, I find even the suggestion we might start using (Primax) and the like to be absurd. We should be trying to be more friendly to the casual fan base, not less, and even amongst the dedicated fandom there are sure to be many people ''who have no idea what the hell a Primax is''. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 13:18, 28 January 2010 (EST)
:::::Agreed. Even within the hardest-core fandom, probably almost nobody can recognize on the spot what "Tyran" is supposed to be. It's uninformative. And even if they did..... there's no difference! Replace "G1" with "Primax" and you have the exact same content with just one single-word disambig swapped for another. The in-story fuzziness would very much remain. As a rule--and a rule that I think ought to be a lot firmer than our other, mostly-guideline rules--I am against radical all-across-everything changes on this wiki. Most of the distinctions do make sense as-is.
:::::I realize that I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth, since earlier in this cascade I recommended "Overlord (G1)". I have to keep reminding myself not to say shit like that here. I retract it thus. Leave things as they are. Nothing about Masterforce matters anymore, Overlord's "main" characterization from now on will have nothing to do with it.... but that's a unique case not important enough to justify this-and-that-and-the-other equivalent case that would pop up later. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:32, 28 January 2010 (EST)

OK, thanks to everyone who chimed in here. Since my underlying premise does not seem to be as 'intuitive' or as 'obviously desirable' to others as it is to me, I'll drop this line of inquiry.

I think that there ARE still some underlying oddities, and they mostly center around the use of G1 as both an umbrella franchise and a continuity family. But as much as perhaps THAT conversation didn't belong here, THAT conversation even more so doesn't belong here. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:21, 29 January 2010 (EST)

== Move ==
Completely separate from the above discussion about general disambig policy <small>(and the "Star Saber (G1)/Star Saber (Victory)" debate which, amazingly, has not yet broken out there</small> I contend that since Overlord was released, as Overlord, during [[Generation 1 (European toyline)|Europe's original Generation 1 toyline]] (1985-1993) he is a Generation 1 character and should be disambig'd with "(G1)."

Since this unique circumstances AFAIK applies '''only''' to this character, and does not affect the larger debate about how to disambig Japanese G1 characters with mini-franchises... I'd like to call for a simple vote on this matter.

'''Given:'''
* That this article now represents all versions of Overlord/Gigatron in the Generation 1 franchise
* And that '''unlike any other JTF-exclusive character''' Overlord was released as part of the Generation 1 toyline
'''It is proposed:'''
* That "Overlord (Masterforce)" be moved to "Overlord (G1)"

Show of hands. Yea or Nea. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:29, 28 January 2010 (EST)

:No, because his European release was three years after his Japanese release. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:33, 28 January 2010 (EST)
:You may be on to something there. Transformer names are English-centric. If a Transformer has an English name it doesn't matter what name he had first, we use the English name. So if there was a Hasbro release it doesn't matter if the Takara release was first, we go with the Hasbro franchise. Yea. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:43, 28 January 2010 (EST)
:Oh for the love of...Lio Convoy anyone? Anyone remember that little debacle? Just leave well enough alone. [[User:Eire]] 14.44 Jan 28 2010 (UTC)
::Separate from the general debate above? Then no! It's not every continuity the dude appears in, it's the franchise of origin. The franchise of origin is clearly Masterforce. (Though this DOES help prove my point.)--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 09:55, 28 January 2010 (EST)
:::I'm with Jim here. --[[Special:Contributions/76.95.138.170|76.95.138.170]] 10:38, 28 January 2010 (EST) (''Lonegamer78 not logged in'')
::::Ayep. While I'd be amenable to changing to continuity family-based categorization if it's feasible, by our current standards this page does have the right disambiguation.
::::Now, if we were talking splitting the page as at the top of this page due to said several wildly differently portrayed guys being stuck on the same page currently... --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 10:54, 28 January 2010 (EST)

:Absolutely yes. As Derik pointed out, the disambig tags are there for simplicity, not information. Most people, I think, are going to remember Overlord as a European/Japanese *G1* character, and not specifically that his fictional debut was in Masterforce. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 13:26, 28 January 2010 (EST)
::This only proves how stupid using anything along the lines of "notability" is for the disambig. Jesus. Overlord was NOTHING to TF fandom outside of Masterforce for what, 15 years? All of a sudden, one comic and... jeez. Leave well enough the fuck alone. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:42, 28 January 2010 (EST)
:::Yeah, I don't think anyone knew and/or cared that Overlord was also released in Europe for over a decade. He was just that guy controlled by those weird-lookin' dudes that beat the fuck out of God Ginrai. That was the sum of his fictional appearances for forever. "What's most notable" is incredibly fickle, and we should not be making our decisions by it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:56, 28 January 2010 (EST)
::We are not doing the disambig in the interest of providing information. We are doing it because we're consistent with "the franchise of origin" rule. This rule allows us to accommodate name reuses within continuity families. Overlord originated in ''Masterforce''. The end. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 05:30, 29 January 2010 (EST)

== Featured Article for May? ==
Since Last Stand of the Wreckers ends in May, and this article is more or less complete, perhaps it would be fitting to make it our featured article for the month of May?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 11:59, 5 April 2010 (EDT)
:I support this idea. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:25, 5 April 2010 (EDT)
:Add another '''yea''' vote. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:17, 5 April 2010 (EDT)
:A very good idea. [[User:MrBlud|MrBlud]] 02:40, 10 April 2010 (EDT)
:I can hardly disagree! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:15, 10 April 2010 (EDT)
:Brilliant. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 07:27, 10 April 2010 (EDT)
:That's a roger.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:53, 10 April 2010 (EDT)
:This is a brilliant idea and I see no reason not to go along with it except to be annoying, but I don't feel like being annoying today, so I'll just shut up now. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:57, 10 April 2010 (EDT)
:If I was allowed, I'd say yes. I'm not so I won't. [[User:Eire]] 18.51 April 10 2010 (UTC)
:Yay! Er, yea. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 17:43, 10 April 2010 (EDT)

== Gender? ==
Given the caption under the page's main image, would it be worthwhile to give Overlord a "Gender" sub-heading, similar to what [[Airazor (BW)]] has? Super-God Masterforce isn't a continuity area I know anything about, but it seems like a section giving a simple outline of what pronouns to use with which versions of the character might be useful. {{unsigned|Bobcat2022}}
:I think you misunderstand the situation. Overlord always is a male, but the original/japanese incarnation of the character is mentally (see the Godmaster article) the teamwork of husband and wife Giga and Mega. He is male always, but the Mega-side of his original/Japanese character gives it a female edge. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 06:24, 24 December 2010 (EST)
::Saying that I misunderstand the situation is a flatteringly courteous understatement. The gist I get with more reading is that the robot body (Transtector) is male (as much so as any other non-sentient giant robot, anyhow), but it does not become the being known as Overlord until is bonded to two humans, one male (Giga) and one female (Mega). So for pronoun purposes, am I correct to say that Overlord should be referred to with male (he), male/female (he/she), or genderless (it) pronouns, in that order of preference? Would a note to this effect on the main page be amiss? --[[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 17:36, 28 December 2010 (EST)

Protoform

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:''Protoforms are part of a Transformer's [[life cycle]] in many Transformers continuities.''

[[Image:Protoforms2.jpg|right|300px|thumb|TeH Nekkid [[Airrazor|AiRrazzer]]!1! L@@K]]

'''Protoforms''' consist of an unspecified, free-flowing, metallic matter layered over basic robotic systems. In many universes, a protoform is the first stage in a [[Transformer]]'s [[life cycle]]. These protoforms only await a life-giving [[spark]] and the alt-form information necessary to transform them into fully functional, living Transformer beings. Often, protoform modes are used to transport Transformers on intergalactic journeys.

Protoforms are transported or stored in [[stasis lock]], in which state they look like smooth, robotic humanoids. When not in stasis lock, protoforms are a roiling mass of liquid metal around their internal frame.<ref>Protoform states seen in "[[The Spark]]".</ref>

In some universes, existing Transformers can place their sparks in a newly created protoform in order to assume a new form, or to recreate their old one. This is one way of rapidly repairing even the most extreme damage, by virtue of totally replacing the body.

:''Japanese name:'' '''Prototype''' (''Beast Wars''), '''Cyberdrone''' (''Car Robots'')

==Fiction==
===''Beast Wars'' cartoon===
[[Image:Stasispod.jpg|right|200px|thumb| Six heroes arrived on the island's shores in canisters...]]
Protoforms are often contained within [[stasis pod]]s and dropped into unexplored worlds. The ''[[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]]'' carried many such stasis pods for exploration reasons, and also [[Rampage (BW)|Protoform X]], a failed attempt to create an immortal spark, which was intended for dumping somewhere barren. When the ship was shot down over prehistoric [[Earth]], [[Optimus Primal]] ordered the protoforms on board ejected into space. {{storylink|Beast Wars (Part 1)}} A while later, when the first stasis pod crashed to the ground, [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]] was able to use a laser link to activate the pod's [[DNA scanner]], allowing it to scan for compatible life-forms and reformat the protoform inside into [[Tigatron]]. {{storylink|Fallen Comrades}}

While [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] was in her protoform state, [[Tarantulas]] was able to install a [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] [[shell program]], turning her against the [[Maximal]]s. {{storylink|Double Jeopardy}} On a later occasion, [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] worked frantically to save another protoform and the [[spark]] it contained, ultimately succeeding and bringing forth [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]]. {{storylink|The Spark}} Another attempt on Tarantulas's part to create a third spider Predacon failed when it turned out that the stasis pod had already scanned a life form, and metamorphosed the protoform into [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]]. {{storylink|Spider's Game}}

The destruction of the [[Vok]] [[Planet Buster]] knocked the remaining stasis pods out of orbit. Two were damaged on impact, reformatting the protoforms within into [[Fuzor]]s. A third pod found by the Maximals contained a "[[blank]]" — a protoform with no spark. {{storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 1)}} Rhinox was able to bring back Optimus Primal from the dead using the blank protoform. {{storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 2)}} Protoform X also turned up, crashed in a swamp, and was able to be converted into a Predacon by [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|Bad Spark}} One protoform was twisted by a badly malfunctioning pod into the being which became known as [[Transmutate (character)|Transmutate]]. {{storylink|Transmutate (episode)|Transmutate}}

A blank protoform was used by Megatron in a grand experiment, the ultimate fruit of which was a [[Transmetal 2]] recreation of [[Dinobot II|Dinobot]]. {{storylink|Feral Scream Part 1}}

===''Beast Wars II'' cartoon===
[[Image:Protoforms1.jpg|left|180px|thumb|Pretty spry for globs of pudding]]

[[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] warriors, who look like protoforms, were shown moving about the Predacon warship using their own power, though they were not shown to speak or have any kind of personality. After the Predacons had gathered enough information about the machines of [[Gaea]]'s past, they then fed the information into the protoforms via energy waves. The protoforms were then altered into the [[Autoroller|Autorollers]]. {{storylink|White Lion, Run!}}

The atmosphere of the Planet Gaea could have caused the protoforms to rust. {{storylink|The New Forces Arrive!}} Despite this, a protoform was seen on the bridge of the ''[[Galvaburg II]]'' well into their visit to the planet. {{storylink|The Insect Corps Arrive}}

{{Note|Given that the Autorollers were apparently extant veterans, this would be a case similar to that of [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] and [[Tigatron]] in "[[Dawn of Future's Past]]", in which an already living Cybertronian had been downloaded into a new protoform body.}}

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===''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon===
Autobots (and possibly Predacons) can change into a protoform state during long journeys, presumably to conserve energy. Attributes of an Autobot's original form remain in whatever new form the being takes. For instance, [[Scourge (RID)|Scourge]] retained the ability to detect [[O-Part]]s.

A downside to the protoform process is that it leaves the Autobots vulnerable to tampering. [[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]] was able to use his [[spark]]'s energy to turn Autobot protoforms into [[Decepticon|malevolent entities]]. {{storylink|The Decepticons}}

===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' comics===
Protoforms are the first step in most (if not all) Transformer life. Convicted criminals are sometimes reduced to Protoform state, such as the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticon]]s. {{Storylink|Revelation (War and Peace)|Revelation}}

===''G.I. Joe vs the Transformers''===
A traditional Cybertronian song features the lines "Protoform/ Protoform/ What will you be?" {{storylink|Black Horizon, Part 1 of 2}}

===''Cybertron'' cartoon===
Protoforms are the first stage of Transformer life, which is usually followed by [[primary programming]].

===Live-action films===
[[Image:Movie OptimusPrime protoform.jpg|right|180px|thumb|I gotta find some clothes!]]

Protoforms grow and survive by feeding inside [[energon (fuel)|energon]] wombs. ''{{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}'' Protoforms are more than just the first stage of a Transformer's life, they are the "base" form that exists inside each robot. Protoforms are made of an ultra-dense, liquid metal material and are extremely hard to damage.

In the rare case they are not actively practicing their natural proclivity for chameleon-like disguise (usually only when engaged in interstellar travel), Transformers shed their exo-structure and return to their protoform state. This protoform is capable of transforming into its [[transition form]]: an armored, cometary shape capable of interstellar travel. Upon landing on a new world and transforming back into a protoform, the Transformer immediately begins [[trans-scan]]ning for new alternate forms to adopt. When one is chosen, the protoform draws on its own ultra-dense substance and any extraneous matter nearby to generate a new exostructure disguise. ''{{Storylink|Transformers: The Movie Guide}}''

[[Image:ROTF Protoform with weapon.jpg|thumb|left|180px|In Decepticon culture, it is customary for new recruits to fight completely naked.]]
[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]'s attempts to breed a new army were met with failure because of low energon supplies, and the "[[hatchling]]s", as they were affectionately termed, were dying. When many Decepticons arrived on Earth with [[The Fallen]] to claim the [[Sun]], they did not bother assuming alternate modes, and remained in their protoforms. ''{{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}''

{{Note|"Protoform" is used as a term for the movie continuity Transformers' Cybertronian forms, although this is also a chosen appearance for the [[self-regenerating molecular armor]] formed by the protoform.}}
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===''Animated'' cartoon===

Protoforms are created from "proto-matter", mined from Cybertron's [[Sonic Canyons]]. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|The AllSpark Almanac II}} In their pre-life state, they resemble featureless grey mannequins, and are stored in pods that line the walls of the secret [[Matrix Chamber]] hidden in the dojo of their assigned protectors, the venerable Autobot [[Cyber-Ninja Corps]]. {{storylink|Five Servos of Doom}} Customarily, prior to being brought on line, protoforms are placed into "moulds", pre-built robot shells, which their proto-matter expands to fill. {{storylink|Endgame, Part I}} Following this, either the [[AllSpark#Animated|AllSpark]] or the mega-computer [[Vector Sigma]] is used to bestow them with a [[spark]]. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|The AllSpark Almanac II}} It is possible, however, to forego the use of a mould and place a spark in a protoform directly. {{storylink|Five Servos of Doom}} The same basic mould can be used for multiple protoforms, leading to [[Retool|similarities]] in [[body-type]] and transformation schemes; the [[65356-9292-346]] type is particularly popular and widely-used. {{storylink|Autoboot Camp}} Where humans would describe themselves as being "born", Transformers are "protoformed". Additionally, "protoform" is sometimes used pejoratively in Cybertronian society as a mocking name for the young or inexperienced.

In the closing stages of the [[Great War (Animated)|Great War]], Cyber-Ninja sensei [[Yoketron]] revealed the Matrix Chamber and its legion of protoforms to his student [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]], lamenting that while they should be Cybertron's next great generation, they would wind up being used as an army of last resort if [[Project Omega]] failed to bring the war to an end. Subsequently, while Prowl was absent on a quest to commune with the AllSpark, [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]], another former student of Yoketron's, attacked the dojo and stole nearly all of the protoforms for [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|Five Servos of Doom}} As luck would have it, Project Omega ''did'' succeed in ending the war, and when the Decepticons were exiled from the planet, they secretly took the stolen protoforms with them. However, without the AllSpark, (which had been launched into space by the Autobots to keep it out of his clutches), Megatron had no means of bringing the protoforms to life, and so they remained in storage aboard the space cruiser ''[[Nemesis (Animated)|Nemesis]]'' for millions of years. {{storylink|Endgame, Part I}}

[[Image:TransWarpedProtoform.jpg|thumb|right|My Meebas live inside this tube, we grow and change with help from you!]]

Some time in the 22nd century, a protoform which had been granted a spark through means unknown, in a highly atypical foetus-like form, somehow materialized on [[Earth]], in the laboratory of human scientist [[Isaac Sumdac]]. When Sumdac touched the protoform, it scanned his DNA, and reconfigured itself into a techno-organic form resembling a human baby. Sumdac "adopted" the strange little creature, naming it [[Sari Sumdac|Sari]], and raising her as his daughter, never telling her of her true origins. {{storylink|TransWarped}}

Eight years after Sumdac found Sari, the quest for the AllSpark brought the Transformers' war to Earth, and Sari and her father became allies of [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]]'s Autobots. To forge a power base for himself, treacherous Decepticon lieutenant [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] set up base in the ''Nemesis'' (which he had crashed on Earth's [[Moon (moon)|moon]]), using the protoforms that still remained in its hold to create an army of clones of himself. {{storylink|A Fistful of Energon}} Starscream himself had previously died, but was being sustained through a sliver of the AllSpark wedged in his forehead, and so by breaking off tiny chips of it, he was able to give his clones—[[Skywarp (Animated)|Skywarp]], [[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]], [[Sunstorm (Animated)|Sunstorm]], [[Thundercracker (Animated)|Thundercracker]], and [[Ramjet (Animated)| Ramjet]]—the spark of life. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part I}}

Later, Megatron followed Starscream's example, using three protoforms and three AllSpark fragments to create giant cross-breed clones of [[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]] and [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]], the [[Lugnut Supreme]]s. While Megatron readied his new war machines, Starscream—who had by this point spent a protracted period of time as a decapitated head—used a protoform to create a new body for himself, but it didn't last long: to prevent Starscream from betraying him again, Megatron destroyed his new body, and all the remaining protoforms, save three. {{storylink|Endgame, Part I}} These three protoforms were then recovered by Optimus Prime's Autobots during their battle with the Lugnut Supremes. Sari believed that she was originally one of the protoforms who had been aboard the Nemesis, but her unusual shape and form while in protoform state, and the unanswered question of how she wound up in her father's lab, left the matter lacking in a definitive resolution. {{storylink|Endgame, Part II}}

===''Prime''===
Protoforms were created by the [[AllSpark (Prime)|AllSpark]] in the [[Well of All Sparks]]. In the past protoforms would escape from the [[Underworld]] to the Cybertronian surface, but in the era of the [[caste system]] they would be taught to transform, assume their most natural alternate mode and be put to work. Protoforms remained the standard name for one's [[robot mode]]. ''{{storylink|Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron}}''

==Toys==
Toys representing transitional protoform modes have been made for several characters from the [[Movie (franchise)|live-action Movie]] universe:
===Transformers (2007)===
[[Image:Movie ProtoformOptimusPrime toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Munkytruck feet!]]
*'''Protoform [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]''' (Deluxe Class, 2007), later [[Redeco|redecorated]] as Protoform Optimus Prime Fusion Cluster Edition. This form is usually Optimus Prime's pre-Earth body in [[IDW Publishing]]'s ''Transformers'' movie prequel comics.

*'''Protoform [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]''' (Deluxe, 2007), later redecorated as Protoform Starscream Fusion Cluster Edition. This form is usually Starscream's pre-Earth body in IDW's ''Transformers'' movie prequel comics.

* '''Trans Scanning [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]''' (2008)
* '''Trans Scanning Optimus Prime''' (2008)

:Both Trans-Scanning Bumblebee and Optimus Prime feature a highly articulated protoform robot mode that can transform into its comet-like transition mode. Snap-on armour based on their Earth robot and vehicle modes represent the characters after they have trans-scanned vehicles.

===Robot Heroes===
*[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]] [[Jazz (Movie)|Protoform Autobot Jazz]] vs. [[Brawl (Movie)|Decepticon Brawl]]

==Notes==
* [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]'s Cybertronian form depicted in ''Transformers'' [[Movie (franchise)|Movie]] comics and toys greatly resembles a protoform, presumably because it was Hasbro's only reference for an alien Autobot appearance.

==References==
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[[Category:Beast Wars II]]
[[Category:Biology]]
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User talk:Bobcat2022

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Bobcat2022:

Welcome to the TFWiki! --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 23:38, 15 December 2010 (EST)

Thanks! I've never been much of a wiki guy, so I apologize in advance for any mistakes I might make or toes upon which I might step. Guidance, suggestions, clarifications, etc, greatly appreciated. Specifically, any policies on linking to external sites as references? Couldn't find any in the help/style pages; I've been going off examples found in my random browsing. Also, I imagine I'm still not using this talk page correctly... :-! [[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 22:10, 16 December 2010 (EST)
:Well you're close. Questions regarding policies are usually better located on the Community portal talk page (link is in sidebar) or perhaps the talk page of a relevant help article. Or if you want to direct a question to a specific user, then their talk page would be appropriate. Other than that, just need to use a colon or colons to indent your paragraphs. Outlining paragraphs like that makes it easier to tell who's saying what in long discussions.
:As for your policy question, linking external sites as references is desired whenever possible and warranted. I'm not entirely sure what our guidelines would be for what situations warrant references though. That question should definitely be brought up in the Community portal. At the least, they're needed when quoting or paraphrasing a real person. Oh, and [[Help:Citing sources]] has some information (via Wikipedia mostly) on ways to format citations. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 02:51, 17 December 2010 (EST)
::Good info, ¡muchas gracias! Specifically, I was looking at overhauling the [[Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum]] page to include, for example, a link to their Transformers exhibit: http://airandspace.si.edu/exhibitions/uhc/case_transformers.cfm . I'm comfortable with MLA & similar formats, I'm more wondering where on the page citations ought to go. I can't recall seeing any examples in my own browsing of the wiki. --[[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 01:38, 24 December 2010 (EST)

Hi, when referring to an article like [[Autobot]] in the plural, you don't need to type the wikilink as "<nowiki>[[Autobot|Autobots]]</nowiki>". Just adding 's' at the end, outside of the brackets, and the link will work/appear correctly. Example: <nowiki>[[Autobot]]s</nowiki>. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:17, 19 December 2010 (EST)
:Thanks for the tip– I'd actually done that on purpose, if only because that's how they told us to do plural hyperlinks back in the sixth-grade HTML club. Is that contrary to the preferred style on this wiki? --[[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 01:38, 24 December 2010 (EST)

Talk:Overlord (G1)

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== Overlord vs. Gigatron ==
Is Gigatron really a different character than Overlord, or is it just another instance of two seperate names for the same Transformer? [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 21:47, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
:Dreamwave's MTMTE guide went on to characterise him as an ancient mechanoid who first conceived the Powermaster process, so I'd say yes. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:53, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

::Raising the inevitable question- is Gigatron UK Overlord, or are Gigatron, Overlord (UK) and VOerlord (MF) all 3 seperate characters? (Overlord (UK) is certainly not Overlord (MF), he's not even a Powermaster!) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:55, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
:::This is a question I choose not to answer! :D (Although one might theorise that Overlord UK is the post-MF fully robotic Overlord Transtector.) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:59, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

:Dreamwave also had Dai Atlas and Deathsaurus as ancient TF's. And it has Sunstorm (who is not generally a clone) as a clone, along with a bunch of other non-clones like Ricochet and Monacle. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:03, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
::Mmn, but at the same time, they didn't change their names. "Same body, same names, different setting" would equal "alternate version of same character," moreso than "different name, different setting, same body" would. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:04, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

:::Isn't there also a UK comic character called Overlord? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:08, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
::::Yah, from "State Games," I think. But IIRC, that was a title ("The Overlord") rather than the bloke's actual NAME, for what that's worth. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:10, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

:::::Last of The Overlords, who had once ruled Cybertron. I construed the ovelords were reponsible for the city-state clustering, having foudned them as personal power bases before dying off of old age... but there's nothign int he story itself to support that. They were a source of stability on Cybertronw hile they held power. After they died, planetary war broke otu almost imemdiately and never really ended. One cour argue this indicates TF's, which have a sort of inherited monarchy system, were not culturally ready for self-rule.-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:25, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

::Going by that logic, Derik, then every different G1 continuity should be completely removed from all the others as far as characters go. Skyfire and Jetfire (his Marvel version, anyway) are obviously the same character, yet their origins are just as different as Dreamwave's interpretations of Sunstorm and Gigatron/Overlord. And as I recall, this same discussion came up regarding Stepper/Ricochet. To me, it seems like we really need some solid criteria for deciding when an American name of a Japanese character makes it a new character, and when it's merely the difference between Prime and Convoy. Especially because expecting a new G1 continuity to be exactly the same as an old one is just ridiculous. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 11:35, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

:::The point of me bringing up Sunstorm (whi in other continuities is NOT a clone) was to say "Dreamwave did somethigtn funky- but that does nto necessarily mean he's not one of the other Overlords." -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:15, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

::::Well, I've gussied up the section to make the question a bit more open. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:22, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Gingatron apparently take his QUOOTE from the UK Overlord, but his bio from his Japanese bio. (which wasn't much like wh was on the show, but there uyou go, that's why Gigatron's bio soudns so wierd.)

Based on '''that''' are we thinkign that Gigatron == Overlord UK == Overlord JP? They have to be at different points in his life-- energon figures are clearly '''not''' Powermasters or Godmasters, but are we confident in sayign hese 3 characters are in fact 1 character? -21:47, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

:In different timelines/dimensions, sure. Jsut as how, as noted, Sunstorm can be a generic trooper, a super-powered clone, or a minion of Megazarak all at once. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:56, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

:Hmn, y'know, you're right. I don't know WHY I thought it was based on his UK bio... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 23:00, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

:: Well, if you compare: [http://members.aol.com/regenesis0/overlord.jpg Overlord's spec], [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.toys.transformers.moderated/msg/eea8dc38822feee0?hl=en& Godmaster Ovalrolled's spec], and [http://www.bwtf.com/pvc/hoc/techspecs/gigatronback.jpg Gigatron's epec]

:: You see all 3 actally cotain similar language, refering to the weapons plant in him.

::So, if we assume the Dreamweave continutiy refers to Hic Gigatron (And I think it does, because we know they had plans for Gigatron from itnerviews) Then we have 3 warring interpetations of the character:
* Dreamwave: Ancient Transformer who made initial forays into what would (when later perfected by the Autobots on Nebulos) be known as Powermaster techology. Developed the technology for the original Decepticon push towards space. Powermaster.
* UK: Legendy Transformer who emerges from the shadows to wasge a one-man-war, with a promise of a full-scale invasion if he secures a beachhead. Armed with something similar to Powermaster technolgoy (dependign on what you think Energon figures are, they have to be power-related)
* Japanese: Undersea monster not seen until Masterforce's present, may have existed for centuries, but did not (based on all evidence) exist on Cybertron, or have a history there.

::All 3 share elements of their tech-specs,t he weapons refinery. Two share quotes, 1 lacks a quote. They are Powermaster, Energon-figure and Godmaster.

::I'm sayign 3 aspects of 1 character, with the MF version being odd-man-out because it lacks any real 'history' prior to MF.
::And while the HoC Gigatron's conflict with PM Optimus was probably a ''reference;; to Masterforce, I thin had Dreamwave made it allt he way to Nebulos, Gigatron would have shown up there. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:41, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Is there any canonical material linking HOC Gigatron to Dreamwave Gigatron? All DW ever officially published about Gigatron was his name and his anciently-powerfulness. No physical description, no image. James McDonaugh and Adam Patyk had said in some interview somewhere that they wanted Gigatron to be Overlord after all--but that development was never published. So does it count? If we start kowtowing to unpublished non-canonical material, don't we plummet into 'Dark Glass' territory?

My point is that given the Lioconvoy --> Leo Prime business, I think there is clear precedence to turn Overlord into Gigatron, and the DW published canonical material that gave Gigatron a different backstory never linked Gigatron to being Overlord in any way, shape, or form.

: Again, though, there are TONS of instances of characters who are portrayed wildly different in different continuities. Take Marvel Grimlock vs. Cartoon Grimlock. Or Shockwave. Or Blaster. Hell, in Dreamwave's continuity, Scourge and Cyclonus are completely different robots rather than being reformatted from the seekers or the Insecticons. Should they get different pages, too? It's quite clear that Overlord and Gigatron are meant to be the same character, even if they were portrayed differently in different continuities. The same holds true for Leo Prime and Lio Convoy. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 08:07, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I like the way this is done now with the UK story info from his bio IN the fiction section. A LOT of the toy bios actually have STORY in them when you come down to it and I don't think that story should be ignored or marginalized just cause of it's location. It's still Story and it is still something these entries should inform folks about. I think when warented Tech Spec story deserves its own entry in the Fiction catagory, such as it is here.

:Sign your goddamn posts bitch. If you can't b bothered to sign in, do it manually. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:48, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

== Combined Jet Mode ==

This is the first I've heard about it, and I can't seem to find any pictures. Anyone got any info on when this mode was used and/or pictures they can put up of the mode? --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] 21:58, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
:I often wondered that myself. I finally found the answer [http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/masterforce-overlord-s-alternate-large-jet-mode-what-is-it-t60019s300.php here] - basically, attach the tank halves to the jet mode. That's all.--[[User:Cyberman|Cyberman]] 07:33, 9 August 2010 (EDT)

== Euro Overlord bio - dimension crossing ==

Is that the first official reference to what we now know as the TF multiverse? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:35, 30 August 2009 (EDT)

==Overlord (G1) vs Overlord (Masterforce)==

Let me preface this by saying that I think the whole 'disambig by franchise' for the Japanese G1 series is very silly and I don't like it. That said, just because this guy LATER shows up in a G1 series doesn't mean that his franchise of origin isn't Masterforce, right? So shouldn't he stay at Overlord (Masterforce), as much as I'm not keen? Or am I overthinking this? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 18:41, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
:I suppose if we were being literal about it, yes. But I feel that it's just a dishonest descriptor - "Overlord (Masterforce)" is a lifeless robot controlled by two human begins, which could not be farther from what the other Overlords/Gigatrons are. "G1" just seems to encapsulate the variant version fo the character better.
:(I am, incidentally, ''really, really not happy about this'', as a result of my closeness with Masterforce, and godamimt, I just really want this to go to G1, so ''bloody well just let it stay there guys for god's sake I am a cauldron of rage'' . I shook Nick Roche vigorously when I found out about this at Auto Assembly to get him to call the character "Gigatron", but it was not to be. And I know you're grinning out there, Derik, stop it!) - }[[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:52, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
:::''But I feel that it's just a dishonest descriptor - "Overlord (Masterforce)" is a lifeless robot controlled by two human begins, which could not be farther from what the other Overlords/Gigatrons are.''
::In which case, '''why are they on the same frigging page'''?! Have an [[Overlord (G1)]] (neé Gigatron) *and* an [[Overlord (Masterforce)]] if need be, but keep them separate. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:28, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
:::I...! Well.... that.... I... like the way you think! Hmn! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:30, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Technically, there could be up to seven separate character pages. The only real question is which pages should be combined.
:::#Giga
:::#Mega
:::#Overlord—Giga and Mega's lifeless (multi-component) transtector.
:::#Overlord—post-human Overlord #3 after getting a life of his own.
:::#Overlord—the European toy that features two [[Energon figure]]s.
:::#Gigatron—the Powermaster.
:::#Overlord—the IDW Transformer.
:::For the other Masterforce characters, their human component, lifeless transtector, and post-human living transtector all share the same page. Overlord has his two human components separated out. #5 is loosely connected to #4 due to a cryptic reference to dimension-hopping in #5's bio. #6 is loosely tied to #5 by virtue of looking alike and having a weapons factory in their bodies but the mechanics of their gimmicks are different and have different names. That means #4 is loosely connected to #6 because they are both loosely connected to #5. #7 is presumably going to be a completely re-invented homage of... somebody. If it were me, because the whole mess is so complicated I would probably have all seven pages. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:09, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
::::Well, on 3 & 4, we separate [[Teletran-1]] and [[Omega Supreme (Animated)]]... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:42, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
::::Thus, you see, the reason I just put them all on one page - becuase there's so many variant versions, a lot of which don't really have anything to do with one another beyond looking the same and having the same name, but the lines between which are blurred ''just'' enough to make it an issue of debate, that it's just *easier*. Much as it rankles me, I think this is the simplest, smoothest way of relating the information. But so far as this notion goes, I'd just put 3-4 on the "Masterforce" page, and 5-8 on a "G1" page. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:10, 15 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::I see the problem. Due to dimension hopping, #5 could actually ''be'' the same character as #4. #7 is a G1 character but probably a re-imaged version of #3 and/or #4 with an ordinary backstory instead of once being two humans. So I agree it is least confusing to have them all on one page. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:29, 28 January 2010 (EST)

==Overlord (G1) vs Overlord (Masterforce) revisited==
OK, clearly, I'm not the only person who has a hard time wrapping their brain around this whole franchise-thing. I've been dwelling on it a bit and I think the issue is this - we have only one article per character per continuity family. So, that being the case, why on Earth are we disambiguating down to the franchise (i.e. the logo associated with it) level?

Let's really examine this. Shattered Expectations came out BEFORE Shattered Glass, so shouldn't ANY SG character who appeared there go by the Transformers Collector's Club disambiguation instead? There's no SG logo or insignia anywhere on that fiction. Also, wouldn't characters who appear first in the Transformers / G.I. Joe crossover books belong in THAT 'franchise'? It seems to me that we're adding in a whole extra level of complexity for no good reason that I can think of.

Well, that's not quite true. The Unicron Trilogy was lousy with repeat names for different characters. This was, and still is, a relatively rare situation for most other continuity families. We can get the maximum benefit, though by disambiguating to the continuity family level as a default and going by franchise when necessary. And, if two articles from the same franchise have the same name, then we can disambiguate further.

Every time I see a character who was introduced in RotF having that label, even though the whole movie-verse is one big universe, it just seems incredibly silly.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 03:01, 15 December 2009 (EST)

:Especially now that he's appearing in [[Last Stand of the Wreckers]], I too throw in my vote for a move to Overlord (G1). -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 14:37, 26 January 2010 (EST)

:Even if we disambiguated at the continuity family level, there's [[Overlord (Cobra)|another Overlord in G1]], so in this case I'm thinking neither would get the G1 disambig anyway. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 14:58, 26 January 2010 (EST)
::Given that he's a G.I. Joe character, I don't think he really counts. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 15:06, 26 January 2010 (EST)
:::<s>It does still count, actually. Basically, there's two things with the same name in G1, thus they need to get disambiguated a different way.</s> Actually, no, you might be right, I forgot about [[Crankcase (disambiguation)]] off the top of my head. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:11, 26 January 2010 (EST)

:::Yeah, Transformers should always get dibs on "good suffixes" over non-Transformers. As for Overlord.... look, the whole reason he's in this comic at all is that TF fans like him, because he IS an "old-time" Japanese G1 character. This story is going to be his most widely-exposed fictional medium, and I am fairly confident when I say that I'm not expecting to see any organic humanoid drivers show up. The uniquely Masterforce storyline elements no longer really apply; the character role is all that matters. So I think he ought to be Overlord (G1). --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:15, 26 January 2010 (EST)
::::And really, if we disambig'd the same character in different continuities of the same continuity family, we'd be splitting up a lot more pages than just this; Scorponok comes to mind most readily as being in roughly the same situation as Overlord. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 15:19, 26 January 2010 (EST)
:::::Why is it that people have an immense problem with giving Japanese G1 characters their franchise of origin (which has always been our rule) as disambiguations while characters in ''Beast Wars II'', ''Beast Wars Neo'', ''Beast Machines'', and ''Return of the Fallen'' all get their respective franchises without a complaint? As for him appearing in a IDW comic: So what? Why should we move articles based on the flavor of the month? We've adhered steadfastly to the "franchise of origin" rule ([[Sideways (RID)]] being a prime example) and you want to break it because some IDW miniseries is imaginatively "going to be his most widely-exposed fictional medium"? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:38, 26 January 2010 (EST)
::::::Actually, I ''did'' think (and still think, for that matter) that giving characters ROTF disambigs was really silly because the movies are all a single continuity/storyline, but I got voted down on that one. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:14, 26 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::Franchise of origin is a terrible way to disambiguate someone, precisely because of the problems above. Disambiguation should be by the largest set appropriate. If a character, object, item, concept, place, or whatever has a unique name, no disambiguation is used. If there's more than one name but only one of the name shows up in a continuity family, then that's how we should disambiguate. If there's more than one name per continuity family but only one of a name shows up in a franchise, we should use that. If there's more than one name per franchise, then we should further sub-divide. Otherwise we are conveying mis-information. This all got started because of rampant reuse of minicon names in the UT ... there's no reason that to infect ROTF and G1 and whatnot. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:53, 26 January 2010 (EST)
::::::::Seems to me that problems with general policy should be taken up in the community portal discussion. UT Mini-Cons are not the only example of massive name reuse within a continuity family—you completely ignore the Beast Era and G2 being part of the G1 continuity family. Your proposed system of disambiguation would require us to move every single G1 character whose name got reused in either one, since "G1" would be taken to mean the continuity family and not the actual franchise. Are you okay with "Megatron (original G1 Decepticon leader)", since BW Megatron is of the G1 continuity family as well? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 22:17, 26 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::::Perhaps the discussion should be moved. But I'll point out that, in your example, the guy we currently call Megatron (G1) would default to Franchise, which for G1 we've always taken to be .... G1. So he'd remain Megatron (G1), and the guy we call Megatron (BW) would remain Megatron (BW). I'm sure you CAN find a bad example. (That G1 is both a Franchise and a continuity family is clumsy, but there you have it.) All that would happen is all the ROC and Masterforce and Headmaster disambiguations would mostly default to G1, which is IMO a good thing. It'd mean some work on the ROTF disambiguations, but it's much better to do the work NOW, before it gets too big, than later.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 22:49, 26 January 2010 (EST)
::::::::::"Megatron (G1)" would become ambiguous. Someone at the Megatron (G1) page could reasonably assume he was the only Megatron for the whole continuity family. I would suggest "Megatron (G1 franchise)". The continuity family for the movie-verse is currently [[live-action film series]]. So what would the disambiguation be? My opinion is that disambiguation by franchise isn't broke so don't try to fix it. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:02, 26 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::Jim, but wouldn't you be "conveying misinformation" by implying "Megatron (G1)" is the only Megatron in the G1 continuity family? And logically, we would have to move characters like [[Cheetor (BW)]] and [[Randy (BWN)]] to "Cheetor (G1)" and "Randy (G1)". [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:12, 26 January 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::Yes, that's what we'd need to do for Cheetor and Randy and whatnot, and I think it'd be for the better. And the G1 franchise / continuity family is an odd case but not one that I think anyone will find especially confusing.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 00:47, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::::I don't think I could possibly agree with this any less. This seems like an absolutely ridiculous amount of work for zero benefit whatsoever and a large number of detriments. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:49, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::::Yeah, that's what we said three years ago when we changed things from what you suggest to what we have now. "Hot Shot (UT)" used to be a page location! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:52, 26 January 2010 (EST)
::::::::::Why ever did you change it? Hot Shot (UT) is both more intuitive and more accurate than Hot Shot (Armada). (I know, I know, assloads of mini-cons, but again, it seems like a shame to hold the whole brand hostage to those corner cases.)--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 00:57, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::Because it was more useful and more informative to use the franchise-of-origin, rather than the more-obscure continuity family names. I see no reason to change it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:00, 27 January 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::More useful how? Informative I'll grant, in that it conveys more information, but I'd contend that that's not the purpose of a disambiguation note. I mean, if that REALLY was the TRUE purpose, we'd put the franchise of origin as part of EVERY article's name, whether we need a disambiguation note or not.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 01:09, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::::There are 2 different UT Ironhides, Prowls, Checkpoints, Cliffjumpers, Infernos, Thrusts, Sunstorms, Smokescreens, Knock Outs, Wreckages, Backstops, Armorhides, Blurrs, Laserbeaks... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:45, 27 January 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::Correct, so those guys would go down to the franchise level ... and the literally hundreds of guys who DON'T have two incarnations per continuity family wouldn't.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 10:06, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::::::I'm with Jim, disambiguate by largest available grouping. The ONLY problem with this system is that G1 is a franchise and a continuity family, and that should really be changed. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:43, 27 January 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::::Maybe the continuity family stays (G1) and the original franchise becomes (TF) since it WAS just called Transformers and the term G1 was a later creation?--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 10:47, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::::::::That would be good except there are later G1 characters introduced as part of an actual "Generation 1" franchise and not simply "Transformers". - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:10, 27 January 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::::::That's ... surprisingly not terrible. And Starfield, ARE there characters introduced as part of an actual "Generation 1" franchise? I don't recall seeing a "Generation 1" logo anywhere.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:17, 27 January 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::::I see Jim's point. That is how the wiki itself is organized. Characters are grouped by continuity family. However, "continuity family" is a concept sorta made up by the wiki. It would probably be better to disambiguate by something more concrete. Plus I think Jim is underestimating the amount of tear-up. And the system isn't broken right now. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:10, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::::::::I think it's more broken than people think. The fact that these debates come up time and time again (Overlord, The Swarm, the whole ROTF thing) means that a LOT of our contributors don't really get the franchise of origin thing. All of those cases are theoretically really straightforward with our current system, and yet a LOT of people are uncomfortable with them. The root cause for this discomfort is the disconnect between how we disambiguate and how we organize. And "continuity family" isn't entirely made up by us, it's acknowledged by several official sources including the Transtech stories, the AllSpark Almanac and Alternity.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:16, 27 January 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::::::Er, calling anything (TF) is a terrible idea, as I can see it confusing the heck out of non-editors and new folks not very familiar with our scheme. Plus, what would it mean for IDW and Dreamwave-only characters? Even the really obscure Primax identifier would be better than that.
::::::::::::::::::And, uh. Considering that the original universal stream references in TransTech were written into the stories by wiki editors, the continuity family idea '''is''' essentially completely made up by us. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:56, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::::::::::Well, so what? It's not '''USED''' only by us, there is actual official Transformers fiction that acknowledges it. Who cares where the idea comes from? I'm not looking to debate semantics here, but to actually understand the logic behind the current system and just possibly see if a different approach might work better. Starfield's point was that the continuity family idea is not concrete, in universe, and I was showing that that's incorrect.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:02, 27 January 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::::::::Again, since the concept is, AFAIK, only used by wiki editors so far other than the Alternity stuff, saying it really means something outside of wiki folks technically isn't all that correct. It's like that situation a while back where a Wikipedia article made something up, a newspaper published the info based solely on the wiki article, and then the wiki article claimed the newspaper article was now a notable reference. I'm not saying it isn't official now anyway, I'm just saying you're kidding yourself if you think the concept really means a whole lot outside of the wiki circle.
::::::::::::::::::::That doesn't mean I don't wish we could disambiguate by continuity family, however, as it doesn't matter whether our categorization scheme has an official basis or not so long as it works for us. But [[Help talk:Disambiguation/Franchise-based vs. Fiction-based|didn't we already decide it didn't seem feasible]]?
::::::::::::::::::::Or is this a different enough case that someone should make a new sandbox to figure out exactly what changes would result and whether it would work better? I actually don't think the Beast Wars stuff would be a problem, as we treat "Beast Era" as a continuity family anyway, but that still leaves G2 up in the air. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:48, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::::::::::::I think you've just hit on the heart of the problem. In some cases we treat "Beast Era" as a continuity family and in others as simply a part of the larger "G1" continuity family. Perhaps we should formalize this. Make "Beast Era" a separate thing, leave the rest of the "G1" continuity family at "G1", and state that the two are part of a larger "Primax" cluster. The Primax designation would NOT be used in disambigs. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:25, 27 January 2010 (EST) PS As I biologist I am seeing a parallel here with the cladistics/systematics debate in taxonomy.
Side note:
:"Let's really examine this. Shattered Expectations came out BEFORE Shattered Glass, so shouldn't ANY SG character who appeared there go by the Transformers Collector's Club disambiguation instead? There's no SG logo or insignia anywhere on that fiction."
:Er, SE was intended as a part of the SG franchise, so I don't see the issue here. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:27, 26 January 2010 (EST)
::Also, didn't we do it that way to start with and found it too confusing and hard to keep straight? Judicious use of the term "usually" can often improve the functioning of a rule.[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:25, 26 January 2010 (EST)
:::I think there's been an enormous amount of words with very little said here. IF the system is by the first franchise they appear in, and not the one we think is going to be the most well known, then this whole issue is moot. Overlord's a guy from Masterforce. The end. All this arguing over semantics is giving me an arse ache. Here's a much bigger issue, why has no American started working on the LSOTW page/character information? Hop to it people. Cause I sure as hell can't yet [[USer:Eire]] 16.44 27 Jan 2010(UTC)
:::::Hey, screw you! I've been working on LSOTW pages nonstop for over 24 hours! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:14, 28 January 2010 (EST)
::::I don't know if I can agree with this ''more''. I'm really not sure what all this jawboning is trying to accomplish. The sheer amount of work for an incredibly vague payoff that applies to so few entries with some of the proposed ramifications of this change being so far from counter-intuitive that I have a hard time believing they were actually seriously proposed... don't we have much better things to do? There's still plenty of FP stuff to wiki! --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:54, 27 January 2010 (EST)

Jim wrote: ''Starfield's point was that the continuity family idea is not concrete, in universe, and I was showing that that's incorrect.''

Okay, so "[[Optimus Prime (G1)]]" moves to "Optimus Prime (Primax)." Where would "[[Optimus Prime (Worlds Collide)]]" move to?
While it's '''nice''' to know that there is an in-universe system exactly ''like'' continuity families... our disambigs are currently '''loosely''' tied to continuity-family designations-- an out-fiction concept. If we tied them to an in-fiction concept... not only would we be using a more confusing nonmelementure, the numeber of arguments about who goes where would probably '''tripple''' because having adopted such a system it would logically become imperative that the information it communicates '''be correct''', and there are many characters for whom it's just impossible to say. What's Vector Prime's continuity-of-origin? Are we allowed to make assumptions and best-guesses? ...because we're now '''canonizing''' that guess as '''the name of the article'''.

Disambigs are <u>not supposed to convey information.</u> Because anytime we've seriously considered a system that did-- someone was able to come up with dozens of hundreds of system-breaking examples. '''strictly''' speaking, we sould probably disambiguate "Optimus Prime (1)", "Optimus Prime (2)", except that would be madness, and carries it's own problems involving Prowls and Catgirls.
* The purpose of the disambiguation tag is to keep articles on separate characters '''separate''', not to convey information.
* The purpose of standardizing the tags (within our limited ability to do so) is to make our jobs easier by making them easier to remember, not to make them harder by adopting a complicated system.
* If name-reuse was not rampant in the UT, then UT would probably be the disambig. "(Movie)" '''used''' to refer to the continuity-family. We had to have a long argument (ending in a vote for formal purposes though IIRC there was general agreement) to fully-disambiguate the two movies liek the UT franchises are-- so characters who premiered in ROTF dont' get "(Movie)".
* Discussing how "really the cartoon and comics version of Optimus Prime should be separate articles" is neither relevant nor helpful.
* Pointing out that "[[Transformers (2007)]]" should actually be "Movie (2007)" if we were being consistent is '''wildly''' unhelpful Derik, why are you even bringing it up?
** Oh, it's to point out that the overzealous pursuit of consistency will produce results which are '''incredibly retarded'''. That's '''why''' our standard disambigs are described as "consistently inconsistent", they are only as consistent as makes our lives easier. When doing so would make our jobs harder, they are allowed to remain inconsistent.

I also disagree with Jim's contention that the system is broken because many editors don't understand it, which resulting in arguments every few months. I argue that since editors are able to '''use''' the system despite '''not understanding how it works''', the system is in fact '''super-operative'''.
95% of the time, grasping the broad pattern of how disambigs work is "enough" to work with the system. The '''actual''' rules are ungodly complicated and hinge on a web of shifting precedent. Requiring that casual and new editors ''know'' that system is impractical-- because even experienced editors struggle with and argue over its application in problem-circumstances. In the 5% of cases where the casual editor mis-disambigs a character, it's swiftly corrected with no real "cost." In the .02% of cases where it devolves into a huge argument... '''it was probably going to devolves into a huge argument anyway.'''

I mean-- '''for gods sake'''. We have '''Straxus-Galvatron''' as "Galvatron (G1)," grouped with his cartoon (and Ladybird, and Coloring Books) counterparts, and Megatron-Galvatron as "Galvatron II"-- who is for some reason considered a seperate character, and the Ladybird guys aren't "also him." '''It's a messy, stupid, imperfect system.'''

But trying to impose a less-imperfect system would cause chaos-- because sometimes the disambigs just '''need''' to be that stupid, because the '''reality''' is that stupid or convoluted. No smart or elegant system can possibly hope to cope with the dumb and inelegant knots Transformers sometimes ties for itself.

Frankly, I think 90% of these arguments would go away if we caved and gave characters infoboxes, in which case people would stop looking at the disambigs and defer tot he boxes. But we'd never be able to stick with a '''small''' infobox-- it would inevitably feature-creep into a monstrous creation that would mis-represent anythign which didn't fit into neat little categories.
Transformers just isn't a 'tidy' fiction like that. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:03, 28 January 2010 (EST)
:As usual, Derik brings up some excellent points (he's right about the current system being super-operative) and, as usual, Derik misses some obvious ones (for instance, I'm not saying that the in-universe continuity family concept of primax, aurex, etc be used). That the idea of continuity families has some in universe support is not critical to my proposal. My basic thought process boils down to:
::'''"The wiki is organized by continuity family, with one article per character per continuity family. Disambiguations, ideally, should work the same way when possible." '''
:Everything else is just the nuts and bolts of how to get to this, IMO, highly desirable state. Is Beast Wars a continuity family? In universe, no, for the wiki, it's borderline. I'm really not worried about the work - we have only 10K articles, and a lot of them don't have disambiguations, and the majority of those that DO have disambiguations can be done by scripts. I'll do it by hand if I have to over a weekend.
:So, I think the real question I'm asking is, do other people agree or disagree with the 'mission statement' that I laid out above. If everyone disagrees with it, it's pointless to debate the practical matters of implementation. If people agree with it, we could sandbox out possible solutions and see if they actually work. They may not! But if people disagree with it, then there's no point in trying and I'll bow out gracefully.
:I'm not calling for a vote or anything, really I'm just trying to understand if my own intuition for how things SHOULD be jives with that of other peoples.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:22, 28 January 2010 (EST)
:::Even though the wiki is organized by continuity family, that's not how we should organize names. I don't see why that should be so. Hasbro basically uses every new franchise as an excuse to reuse its stockpile of names, therefore our current way of doing things is more functional. Plus, it's not broken. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:05, 28 January 2010 (EST)
::Why not just go ahead and do a sandbox of various examples? Last time this sort of convo came up, it was a good way to actually explore the idea and come up with more concrete examples of pro and con than just people's tastes. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:00, 28 January 2010 (EST)
::Ideally, yes I agree. However there is much I don't like about the implementation.
::*I don't like "G1" as the name of the continuity family. It leads to weird situations like a G2 original guy being labeled (G1). The continuity family should be the official term (Primax) or something else entirely.
::*What would the [[live-action film series]] disambiguation be? Please don't say "Movie".
::*There are some characters with unknown continuity families. Mostly from Universe 2003 I think.
::*We know how this system works. Questions over who belongs where have pretty much been settled. Even for this article. We all agree that this is where he belongs in the current system (see "Move" section below)—this discussion is whether we should change the system. The new system is somewhat unknown. It is unknown how many characters would have questionable disambiguations. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 13:05, 28 January 2010 (EST)
::::The system is fine as it is, and does NOT need to change. Even if we decided to move this ONE article, it should ONLY be done with understanding that we are making an EXCEPTION (Because allowing for exceptions where warranrted = A Good Thing!). I honestly don't care one way or the other about this article's title, but if moving this article meeans a system-wide change then I vote NO, NO, A THOUSAND TIMES NO. Also, I find even the suggestion we might start using (Primax) and the like to be absurd. We should be trying to be more friendly to the casual fan base, not less, and even amongst the dedicated fandom there are sure to be many people ''who have no idea what the hell a Primax is''. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 13:18, 28 January 2010 (EST)
:::::Agreed. Even within the hardest-core fandom, probably almost nobody can recognize on the spot what "Tyran" is supposed to be. It's uninformative. And even if they did..... there's no difference! Replace "G1" with "Primax" and you have the exact same content with just one single-word disambig swapped for another. The in-story fuzziness would very much remain. As a rule--and a rule that I think ought to be a lot firmer than our other, mostly-guideline rules--I am against radical all-across-everything changes on this wiki. Most of the distinctions do make sense as-is.
:::::I realize that I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth, since earlier in this cascade I recommended "Overlord (G1)". I have to keep reminding myself not to say shit like that here. I retract it thus. Leave things as they are. Nothing about Masterforce matters anymore, Overlord's "main" characterization from now on will have nothing to do with it.... but that's a unique case not important enough to justify this-and-that-and-the-other equivalent case that would pop up later. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:32, 28 January 2010 (EST)

OK, thanks to everyone who chimed in here. Since my underlying premise does not seem to be as 'intuitive' or as 'obviously desirable' to others as it is to me, I'll drop this line of inquiry.

I think that there ARE still some underlying oddities, and they mostly center around the use of G1 as both an umbrella franchise and a continuity family. But as much as perhaps THAT conversation didn't belong here, THAT conversation even more so doesn't belong here. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:21, 29 January 2010 (EST)

== Move ==
Completely separate from the above discussion about general disambig policy <small>(and the "Star Saber (G1)/Star Saber (Victory)" debate which, amazingly, has not yet broken out there</small> I contend that since Overlord was released, as Overlord, during [[Generation 1 (European toyline)|Europe's original Generation 1 toyline]] (1985-1993) he is a Generation 1 character and should be disambig'd with "(G1)."

Since this unique circumstances AFAIK applies '''only''' to this character, and does not affect the larger debate about how to disambig Japanese G1 characters with mini-franchises... I'd like to call for a simple vote on this matter.

'''Given:'''
* That this article now represents all versions of Overlord/Gigatron in the Generation 1 franchise
* And that '''unlike any other JTF-exclusive character''' Overlord was released as part of the Generation 1 toyline
'''It is proposed:'''
* That "Overlord (Masterforce)" be moved to "Overlord (G1)"

Show of hands. Yea or Nea. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:29, 28 January 2010 (EST)

:No, because his European release was three years after his Japanese release. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:33, 28 January 2010 (EST)
:You may be on to something there. Transformer names are English-centric. If a Transformer has an English name it doesn't matter what name he had first, we use the English name. So if there was a Hasbro release it doesn't matter if the Takara release was first, we go with the Hasbro franchise. Yea. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:43, 28 January 2010 (EST)
:Oh for the love of...Lio Convoy anyone? Anyone remember that little debacle? Just leave well enough alone. [[User:Eire]] 14.44 Jan 28 2010 (UTC)
::Separate from the general debate above? Then no! It's not every continuity the dude appears in, it's the franchise of origin. The franchise of origin is clearly Masterforce. (Though this DOES help prove my point.)--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 09:55, 28 January 2010 (EST)
:::I'm with Jim here. --[[Special:Contributions/76.95.138.170|76.95.138.170]] 10:38, 28 January 2010 (EST) (''Lonegamer78 not logged in'')
::::Ayep. While I'd be amenable to changing to continuity family-based categorization if it's feasible, by our current standards this page does have the right disambiguation.
::::Now, if we were talking splitting the page as at the top of this page due to said several wildly differently portrayed guys being stuck on the same page currently... --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 10:54, 28 January 2010 (EST)

:Absolutely yes. As Derik pointed out, the disambig tags are there for simplicity, not information. Most people, I think, are going to remember Overlord as a European/Japanese *G1* character, and not specifically that his fictional debut was in Masterforce. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 13:26, 28 January 2010 (EST)
::This only proves how stupid using anything along the lines of "notability" is for the disambig. Jesus. Overlord was NOTHING to TF fandom outside of Masterforce for what, 15 years? All of a sudden, one comic and... jeez. Leave well enough the fuck alone. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:42, 28 January 2010 (EST)
:::Yeah, I don't think anyone knew and/or cared that Overlord was also released in Europe for over a decade. He was just that guy controlled by those weird-lookin' dudes that beat the fuck out of God Ginrai. That was the sum of his fictional appearances for forever. "What's most notable" is incredibly fickle, and we should not be making our decisions by it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:56, 28 January 2010 (EST)
::We are not doing the disambig in the interest of providing information. We are doing it because we're consistent with "the franchise of origin" rule. This rule allows us to accommodate name reuses within continuity families. Overlord originated in ''Masterforce''. The end. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 05:30, 29 January 2010 (EST)

== Featured Article for May? ==
Since Last Stand of the Wreckers ends in May, and this article is more or less complete, perhaps it would be fitting to make it our featured article for the month of May?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 11:59, 5 April 2010 (EDT)
:I support this idea. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:25, 5 April 2010 (EDT)
:Add another '''yea''' vote. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:17, 5 April 2010 (EDT)
:A very good idea. [[User:MrBlud|MrBlud]] 02:40, 10 April 2010 (EDT)
:I can hardly disagree! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:15, 10 April 2010 (EDT)
:Brilliant. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 07:27, 10 April 2010 (EDT)
:That's a roger.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:53, 10 April 2010 (EDT)
:This is a brilliant idea and I see no reason not to go along with it except to be annoying, but I don't feel like being annoying today, so I'll just shut up now. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:57, 10 April 2010 (EDT)
:If I was allowed, I'd say yes. I'm not so I won't. [[User:Eire]] 18.51 April 10 2010 (UTC)
:Yay! Er, yea. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 17:43, 10 April 2010 (EDT)

== Gender? ==

Given the caption under the page's main image, would it be worthwhile to give Overlord a "Gender" sub-heading, similar to what [[Airazor (BW)]] has? Super-God Masterforce isn't a continuity area I know anything about, but it seems like a section giving a simple outline of what pronouns to use with which versions of the character might be useful.

Protoform

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Bobcat2022: /* Animated cartoon */ changed "manyy" [sic] to "nearly all"

:''Protoforms are part of a Transformer's [[life cycle]] in many Transformers continuities.''

[[Image:Protoforms2.jpg|right|300px|thumb|TeH Nekkid [[Airrazor|AiRrazzer]]!1! L@@K]]

'''Protoforms''' consist of an unspecified, free-flowing, metallic matter layered over basic robotic systems. In many universes, a protoform is the first stage in a [[Transformer]]'s [[life cycle]]. These protoforms only await a life-giving [[spark]] and the alt-form information necessary to transform them into fully functional, living Transformer beings. Often, protoform modes are used to transport Transformers on intergalactic journeys.

Protoforms are transported or stored in [[stasis lock]], in which state they look like smooth, robotic humanoids. When not in stasis lock, protoforms are a roiling mass of liquid metal around their internal frame.<ref>Protoform states seen in "[[The Spark]]".</ref>

In some universes, existing Transformers can place their sparks in a newly created protoform in order to assume a new form, or to recreate their old one. This is one way of rapidly repairing even the most extreme damage, by virtue of totally replacing the body.

:''Japanese name:'' '''Prototype''' (''Beast Wars''), '''Cyberdrone''' (''Car Robots'')

==Fiction==
===''Beast Wars'' cartoon===
[[Image:Stasispod.jpg|right|200px|thumb| Six heroes arrived on the island's shores in canisters...]]
Protoforms are often contained within [[stasis pod]]s and dropped into unexplored worlds. The ''[[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]]'' carried many such stasis pods for exploration reasons, and also [[Rampage (BW)|Protoform X]], a failed attempt to create an immortal spark, which was intended for dumping somewhere barren. When the ship was shot down over prehistoric [[Earth]], [[Optimus Primal]] ordered the protoforms on board ejected into space. {{storylink|Beast Wars (Part 1)}} A while later, when the first stasis pod crashed to the ground, [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]] was able to use a laser link to activate the pod's [[DNA scanner]], allowing it to scan for compatible life-forms and reformat the protoform inside into [[Tigatron]]. {{storylink|Fallen Comrades}}

While [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] was in her protoform state, [[Tarantulas]] was able to install a [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] [[shell program]], turning her against the [[Maximal]]s. {{storylink|Double Jeopardy}} On a later occasion, [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] worked frantically to save another protoform and the [[spark]] it contained, ultimately succeeding and bringing forth [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]]. {{storylink|The Spark}} Another attempt on Tarantulas's part to create a third spider Predacon failed when it turned out that the stasis pod had already scanned a life form, and metamorphosed the protoform into [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]]. {{storylink|Spider's Game}}

The destruction of the [[Vok]] [[Planet Buster]] knocked the remaining stasis pods out of orbit. Two were damaged on impact, reformatting the protoforms within into [[Fuzor]]s. A third pod found by the Maximals contained a "[[blank]]" — a protoform with no spark. {{storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 1)}} Rhinox was able to bring back Optimus Primal from the dead using the blank protoform. {{storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 2)}} Protoform X also turned up, crashed in a swamp, and was able to be converted into a Predacon by [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|Bad Spark}} One protoform was twisted by a badly malfunctioning pod into the being which became known as [[Transmutate (character)|Transmutate]]. {{storylink|Transmutate (episode)|Transmutate}}

A blank protoform was used by Megatron in a grand experiment, the ultimate fruit of which was a [[Transmetal 2]] recreation of [[Dinobot II|Dinobot]]. {{storylink|Feral Scream Part 1}}

===''Beast Wars II'' cartoon===
[[Image:Protoforms1.jpg|left|180px|thumb|Pretty spry for globs of pudding]]

[[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] warriors, who look like protoforms, were shown moving about the Predacon warship using their own power, though they were not shown to speak or have any kind of personality. After the Predacons had gathered enough information about the machines of [[Gaea]]'s past, they then fed the information into the protoforms via energy waves. The protoforms were then altered into the [[Autoroller|Autorollers]]. {{storylink|White Lion, Run!}}

The atmosphere of the Planet Gaea could have caused the protoforms to rust. {{storylink|The New Forces Arrive!}} Despite this, a protoform was seen on the bridge of the ''[[Galvaburg II]]'' well into their visit to the planet. {{storylink|The Insect Corps Arrive}}

{{Note|Given that the Autorollers were apparently extant veterans, this would be a case similar to that of [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] and [[Tigatron]] in "[[Dawn of Future's Past]]", in which an already living Cybertronian had been downloaded into a new protoform body.}}

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===''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon===
Autobots (and possibly Predacons) can change into a protoform state during long journeys, presumably to conserve energy. Attributes of an Autobot's original form remain in whatever new form the being takes. For instance, [[Scourge (RID)|Scourge]] retained the ability to detect [[O-Part]]s.

A downside to the protoform process is that it leaves the Autobots vulnerable to tampering. [[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]] was able to use his [[spark]]'s energy to turn Autobot protoforms into [[Decepticon|malevolent entities]]. {{storylink|The Decepticons}}

===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' comics===
Protoforms are the first step in most (if not all) Transformer life. Convicted criminals are sometimes reduced to Protoform state, such as the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticon]]s. {{Storylink|Revelation (War and Peace)|Revelation}}

===''G.I. Joe vs the Transformers''===
A traditional Cybertronian song features the lines "Protoform/ Protoform/ What will you be?" {{storylink|Black Horizon, Part 1 of 2}}

===''Cybertron'' cartoon===
Protoforms are the first stage of Transformer life, which is usually followed by [[primary programming]].

===Live-action films===
[[Image:Movie OptimusPrime protoform.jpg|right|180px|thumb|I gotta find some clothes!]]

Protoforms grow and survive by feeding inside [[energon (fuel)|energon]] wombs. ''{{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}'' Protoforms are more than just the first stage of a Transformer's life, they are the "base" form that exists inside each robot. Protoforms are made of an ultra-dense, liquid metal material and are extremely hard to damage.

In the rare case they are not actively practicing their natural proclivity for chameleon-like disguise (usually only when engaged in interstellar travel), Transformers shed their exo-structure and return to their protoform state. This protoform is capable of transforming into its [[transition form]]: an armored, cometary shape capable of interstellar travel. Upon landing on a new world and transforming back into a protoform, the Transformer immediately begins [[trans-scan]]ning for new alternate forms to adopt. When one is chosen, the protoform draws on its own ultra-dense substance and any extraneous matter nearby to generate a new exostructure disguise. ''{{Storylink|Transformers: The Movie Guide}}''

[[Image:ROTF Protoform with weapon.jpg|thumb|left|180px|In Decepticon culture, it is customary for new recruits to fight completely naked.]]
[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]'s attempts to breed a new army were met with failure because of low energon supplies, and the "[[hatchling]]s", as they were affectionately termed, were dying. When many Decepticons arrived on Earth with [[The Fallen]] to claim the [[Sun]], they did not bother assuming alternate modes, and remained in their protoforms. ''{{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}''

{{Note|"Protoform" is used as a term for the movie continuity Transformers' Cybertronian forms, although this is also a chosen appearance for the [[self-regenerating molecular armor]] formed by the protoform.}}
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===''Animated'' cartoon===

Protoforms are created from "proto-matter", mined from Cybertron's [[Sonic Canyons]]. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|The AllSpark Almanac II}} In their pre-life state, they resemble featureless grey mannequins, and are stored in pods that line the walls of the secret [[Matrix Chamber]] hidden in the dojo of their assigned protectors, the venerable Autobot [[Cyber-Ninja Corps]]. {{storylink|Five Servos of Doom}} Customarily, prior to being brought on line, protoforms are placed into "moulds", pre-built robot shells, which their proto-matter expands to fill. {{storylink|Endgame, Part I}} Following this, either the [[AllSpark#Animated|AllSpark]] or the mega-computer [[Vector Sigma]] is used to bestow them with a [[spark]]. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|The AllSpark Almanac II}} It is possible, however, to forego the use of a mould and place a spark in a protoform directly. {{storylink|Five Servos of Doom}} The same basic mould can be used for multiple protoforms, leading to [[Retool|similarities]] in [[body-type]] and transformation schemes; the [[65356-9292-346]] type is particularly popular and widely-used. {{storylink|Autoboot Camp}} Where humans would describe themselves as being "born", Transformers are "protoformed". Additionally, "protoform" is sometimes used pejoratively in Cybertronian society as a mocking name for the young or inexperienced.

In the closing stages of the [[Great War (Animated)|Great War]], Cyber-Ninja sensei [[Yoketron]] revealed the Matrix Chamber and its legion of protoforms to his student [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]], lamenting that while they should be Cybertron's next great generation, they would wind up being used as an army of last resort if [[Project Omega]] failed to bring the war to an end. Subsequently, while Prowl was absent on a quest to commune with the AllSpark, [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]], another former student of Yoketron's, attacked the dojo and stole nearly all of the protoforms for [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|Five Servos of Doom}} As luck would have it, Project Omega ''did'' succeed in ending the war, and when the Decepticons were exiled from the planet, they secretly took the stolen protoforms with them. However, without the AllSpark, (which had been launched into space by the Autobots to keep it out of his clutches), Megatron had no means of bringing the protoforms to life, and so they remained in storage aboard the space cruiser ''[[Nemesis (Animated)|Nemesis]]'' for millions of years. {{storylink|Endgame, Part I}}

[[Image:TransWarpedProtoform.jpg|thumb|right|My Meebas live inside this tube, we grow and change with help from you!]]

Some time in the 22nd century, a protoform which had been granted a spark through means unknown, in a highly atypical foetus-like form, somehow materialized on [[Earth]], in the laboratory of human scientist [[Isaac Sumdac]]. When Sumdac touched the protoform, it scanned his DNA, and reconfigured itself into a techno-organic form resembling a human baby. Sumdac "adopted" the strange little creature, naming it [[Sari Sumdac|Sari]], and raising her as his daughter, never telling her of her true origins. {{storylink|TransWarped}}

Eight years after Sumdac found Sari, the quest for the AllSpark brought the Transformers' war to Earth, and Sari and her father became allies of [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]]'s Autobots. To forge a power base for himself, treacherous Decepticon lieutenant [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] set up base in the ''Nemesis'' (which he had crashed on Earth's [[Moon (moon)|moon]], using the protoforms that still remained in its hold to create an army of clones of himself. {{storylink|A Fistful of Energon}} Starscream himself had previously died, but was being sustained through a sliver of the AllSpark wedged in his forehead, and so by breaking off tiny chips of it, he was able to give his clones—[[Skywarp (Animated)|Skywarp]], [[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]], [[Sunstorm (Animated)|Sunstorm]], [[Thundercracker (Animated)|Thundercracker]], and [[Ramjet (Animated)| Ramjet]]—the spark of life. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part I}}

Later, Megatron followed Starscream's example, using three protoforms and three AllSpark fragments to create giant cross-breed clones of [[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]] and [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]], the [[Lugnut Supreme]]s. While Megatron readied his new war machines, Starscream—who had by this point spent a protracted period of time as a decapitated head—used a protoform to create a new body for himself, but it didn't last long: to prevent Starscream from betraying him again, Megatron destroyed his new body, and all the remaining protoforms, save three. {{storylink|Endgame, Part I}} These three protoforms were then recovered by Optimus Prime's Autobots during their battle with the Lugnut Supremes. Sari believed that she was originally one of the protoforms who had been aboard the Nemesis, but her unusual shape and form while in protoform state, and the unanswered question of how she wound up in her father's lab, left the matter lacking in a definitive resolution. {{storylink|Endgame, Part II}}

===''Prime''===
Protoforms were created by the [[AllSpark (Prime)|AllSpark]] in the [[Well of All Sparks]]. In the past protoforms would escape from the [[Underworld]] to the Cybertronian surface, but in the era of the [[caste system]] they would be taught to transform, assume their most natural alternate mode and be put to work. Protoforms remained the standard name for one's [[robot mode]]. ''{{storylink|Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron}}''

==Toys==
Toys representing transitional protoform modes have been made for several characters from the [[Movie (franchise)|live-action Movie]] universe:
===Transformers (2007)===
[[Image:Movie ProtoformOptimusPrime toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Munkytruck feet!]]
*'''Protoform [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]''' (Deluxe Class, 2007), later [[Redeco|redecorated]] as Protoform Optimus Prime Fusion Cluster Edition. This form is usually Optimus Prime's pre-Earth body in [[IDW Publishing]]'s ''Transformers'' movie prequel comics.

*'''Protoform [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]''' (Deluxe, 2007), later redecorated as Protoform Starscream Fusion Cluster Edition. This form is usually Starscream's pre-Earth body in IDW's ''Transformers'' movie prequel comics.

* '''Trans Scanning [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]''' (2008)
* '''Trans Scanning Optimus Prime''' (2008)

:Both Trans-Scanning Bumblebee and Optimus Prime feature a highly articulated protoform robot mode that can transform into its comet-like transition mode. Snap-on armour based on their Earth robot and vehicle modes represent the characters after they have trans-scanned vehicles.

===Robot Heroes===
*[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]] [[Jazz (Movie)|Protoform Autobot Jazz]] vs. [[Brawl (Movie)|Decepticon Brawl]]

==Notes==
* [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]'s Cybertronian form depicted in ''Transformers'' [[Movie (franchise)|Movie]] comics and toys greatly resembles a protoform, presumably because it was Hasbro's only reference for an alien Autobot appearance.

==References==
{{Reflist}}

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[[Category:Beast Wars]]
[[Category:Beast Wars II]]
[[Category:Biology]]
[[Category:Cybertron]]
[[Category:Generation 1]]
[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category:Robots in Disguise]]

Onebox component

2010-12-23T10:01:57Z

Bobcat2022: /* Timelines */ linked from the Energon Tow-Line redeco/retools to the appropriate page.

{{factions|autobot}}
{{noname-nickname}}
:''Onebox components are Transformer components from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Onebox components universe.jpg|right|thumb|250px|When you need a fix, try not to get the repair bay and war machine mixed up.]]

When [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] and [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] transform into robot mode, part of their [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]] forms the '''Onebox component'''. Ironhide's becomes a weapons platform and Ratchet's is likely a repair bay.

{{TOCclear}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1===
====Cartoon continuity====
[[Image:Ratchetg1cartoon.jpg|right|thumb|100px]]
Ratchet's component stood ready as [[Hauler]] rescued [[Hound (G1)|Hound]]. {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye, Part 1}}

{{-}}

====Marvel Comics continuity====
[[Image:Ironhideg1firstappearance.jpg|thumb|left|100px]]
[[Image:Ratchetg1first.jpg|thumb|right|100px]]
When first arriving on [[Earth]], Ironhide and Ratchet rode their components around. {{storylink|The Transformers (issue)|The Transformers}} {{storylink|Power Play!}}

[[Image:Ratchetgetstofixgears.jpg|right|thumb|100px|I talk in this issue.]]

Soon, however, both Ironhide and Ratchet began walking without the aid of their component.

Ratchet's component helped repair [[Gears (G1)|Gears]]. It even spoke, reporting when it finished minimum repairs on Gears. {{storylink|Prisoner of War!}}

{{-}}

====IDW comics continuity====
As Ratchet repaired [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] and [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]], his repair bay sat next to him. {{storylink|International Incident Part 2: "Ranks of Bronze"}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Ironhide''' (1984/1991/2001)[[Image:G1 Ironhide toy.jpg|right|150px|thumb|]]
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''98'''
**''Accessories:'' "Static Laser Gun", gun post, 3 missiles

:Ironhide splits when he transforms, with most of the rear section of his van mode transforming into a battle platform, and the remainder becoming his rather misshapen, headless robot form.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1984/Autobot/Ironhide/ironhide.htm More information on Ironhide at TFU.info]''

{{-}}

[[Image:Ratchettoyg1.jpg|right|150px|thumb|]]
* '''Ratchet''' (1984/1986/1990/2001/2007)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''99'''
**''Accessories'': "Static Laser Gun", gun connector, 3 missiles

:The toy transforms from an ambulance to a robot and gun-station.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1984/Autobot/Ratchet/ratchet.htm More information on Ratchet at TFU.info]''

{{-}}

===Timelines===
[[Image:TimelinesIronhide toy.jpg|right|150px|thumb|]]
*'''Descent into Evil''' (Multi-figure boxset, 2005)
**''Accessories:'' Fold out gun/radar energon weapon, BotCon 2005 pin

:Like Ironhide's original toy, this redeco/[[retool]] of [[Tow-Line (Energon)|''Energon'' Tow-Line]] splits from a van into a robot mode and a battle sled.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Autobot/BCIronhide/ironhide.htm More information on Timelines Ironhide at TFU.info]''
{{-}}

[[Image:Timelinestoy-RatchetDiE.jpg|right|150px|thumb|]]
* '''Autobot Ratchet & Flareup''' (2005)
**''Accessories'': Lightbar/blaster

:In robot mode, his lower vehicle portion becomes a mobile battle/repair platform. Also a redeco/[[retool]] of [[Tow-Line (Energon)|''Energon'' Tow-Line]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Autobot/BCRatchet/ratchet.htm More information on BotCon Ratchet at TFU.info]''

===Encore===
*'''Ironhide''' (2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''05'''
**''Accessories:'' "Static Laser Gun", gun post, 3 missiles
: Ironhide's original Generation 1 toy was made available again in mid-December 2007 as part of Takara's ongoing ''[[Encore]]'' line of [[Generation 1 reissues|reissues]].

*'''Ratchet''' (2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''05'''
**''Accessories:'' "Static Laser Gun", gun post, 3 missiles

:Ratchet's original Generation 1 toy was made available again in mid-December 2007 as part of Takara's ongoing ''[[Encore]]'' line of [[Generation 1 reissues|reissues]].

[[Image:G1toy protect black ironhide.jpg|right|thumb|150px]]
*'''Protect Black Ironhide''' (2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''05'''
**''Accessories:'' "Static Laser Gun", gun post, 3 missiles

:Tied in to Ironhide's ''Encore'' reissue was [[e-Hobby]]'s [[exclusive]] "New Year Special" [[redeco]] of the figure: Protect Black Ironhide.

{{-}}

[[Image:Encoreratchetemergencygreen.jpg|right|150px|thumb|]]
* '''Ratchet Emergency Green''' (2008)
**''Accessories'': "Static Laser Gun", gun connector, 3 missiles

: A [[redeco]] of the original toy (well, the retooled Encore version) which [[homage]]s [[Ratchet (Movie)|the live-action movie Ratchet]], Ratchet Emergency Green is a Japanese mail-away exclusive available with a purchase of the book ''[[Transformers Visualworks]]''.

{{-}}

==Notes==
*A gun platform on the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] strongly resembles this component. {{storylink|The Transformers (issue)|The Transformers}}
*This component is absent in Ironhide and Ratchet's [[character model]], where the robot transforms directly into the whole vehicle. The robot mode itself was extensively redesigned, giving these characters a very low degree of [[show-accuracy|toy-accuracy]].
*This component is not mentioned in the text of the characters' [[bio]]s, [[Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)|Universe profiles]], or [[More Than Meets The Eye (G1)|MTMTE profiles]], but it is included in the artwork.
*Other Ironhide and Ratchet toys have been produced that do not include this component.

==External links==
*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Ironhide Ironhide's Universe profile at NTFA.net]
* [http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Ratchet Ratchet's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

[[Category:Autobots]]
[[Category:Generation 1]]
[[Category:Drones]]

Prisoner of War!

2010-12-23T09:45:54Z

Bobcat2022: Discrete as in "separate", as in the covers section. But we're a little shamed by the syntax used previously, yes. Let's compromise:

{{comicstory|seriesissue=[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (US)]] #3
|prev=Power Play!
|next=The Last Stand
|title=Prisoner of War!
|seriesissue2=[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)#Marvel UK|''The Transformers'' (UK)]] #5–6
|prev2=Power Play!
|next2=The Last Stand
|image=MarvelUS-03.jpg
|caption=Is he strong? Listen, [[bud]], he made Megatron go thud.
|publisher=[[Marvel Comics]]
|date=[[October 2]], 1984
|coverdate=January 1985
|writer=[[Jim Salicrup]]
|penciler=[[Frank Springer]]
|inker=[[Kim DeMulder]], [[Mike Esposito]]
|colorist=[[Nelson Yomtov]]
|letterers=[[Janice Chiang]] & Others
|editor=[[Bob Budiansky]]
|continuity=[[Marvel Comics continuity]]
}}
'''When Sparkplug is kidnapped, it's up to Gears and Spider-Man to save him.'''

==Synopsis==
The [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] bring Sparkplug Witwicky to their [[Fortress Sinister|fortress]] and Megatron deliberates internally on Starscream's loyalty. The Decepticons demand that Sparkplug create a method to convert gas into fuel compatible with their forms. A Korean War vet, Sparkplug equates his capture to his time spent as a POW in Korea and refuses, until he's forcefully persuaded.

Back at the Witwicky garage, Buster and his friends are wondering what to do next. Optimus orders everyone back to the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] for fuel and repairs, inviting Buster along the ride. When they arrive, he marvels at the size of the [[Autobot|Autobots]]' HQ.

Soundwave, Rumble and Starscream are out stealing components for Sparkplug's fuel conversion process, and their crime spree attracts attention from the press and world governments. As camera crews and the military surround the Decepticon fortress, photojournalist Peter Parker decides to switch to his alter ego [[Spider-Man]] in order to get some better shots of the action. He runs into Gears, and after a short tussle Gears proves that he's a good guy when he saves a crowd of humans from getting squashed flat by a tank. The Autobots team up with Spider-Man to break through the line of reporters and soldiers, and an all-out battle breaks out between the 'Cons and the 'Bots.

Meanwhile, Gears and Spider-Man are making their way into the fortress. After a short scrap with Ravage, Gears and Spider-Man break in and steal Sparkplug from under Megatron's nose. The Decepticon leader shoots out the floor beneath them, and while Spider-Man saves Sparkplug, Gears' weight breaks the web Spider-Man tried to save him with and he plummets to the earth below.

On their return to the Ark, Buster and Sparkplug are reunited and the Autobots say goodbye to Spider-Man. Ratchet brings Gears back to a functional level and he informs the Autobots that the Decepticons got what they wanted out of Sparkplug. Dad, say it ain't so!
{{-}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (12)
* [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] (13)
* [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] (14)
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] (16)
* [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (17)
* [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]] (18)
* [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] (21)
* [[Gears (G1)|Gears]] (22)
* [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] (23)
* [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (24)
* [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] (29)
* [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (30)
* [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] (31)
|c2=
* [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (1)
* [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (2)
* [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (3)
* [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (5)
* [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (6)
* [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (7)
* [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] (8)
* [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] (9)
* [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]] (10)
* [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] (11)
|c3=
* [[Sparkplug Witwicky]] (4)
* [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]] (15)
* [[Jesse]] (19)
* [["O"]] (20)
* [[Dum Dum|Dum Dum Dugan]] (25)
* [[Nicholas|Nick Fury]] (26)
* [[Joe Robertson]] (27)
* [[Spider-Man|Peter Parker]] (28)
}}
==Errors==
* Page 5: Ironhide is colored like... uh... uh... well, he's got blue arms, blue and gray legs, and a white windshield frame. Windcharger is colored white and blue instead of red and gray. ([[Tailgate|Coincidence!]]) The silhouettes behind Optimus don't match anyone from the Autobot ranks.
* Page 8: Ratchet is colored with a red crest, shoulders, and legs. They should all be white. For the rest of Ratchet's appearances in this issue, he's colored with a blue windshield frame and red shoulders; it happens consistently enough to suggest that it was an earlier color scheme rather than a flat-out error.
* Page 9: [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] is shown hanging out with the Decepticons. Next issue will reveal that he's still buried in rock at this point.
* Page 11: Skywarp's jet mode is colored as if his cockpit canopy extended all the way back to his tail fins. When he lands on the Air Force jet, his wings are missing.
* Page 15: As the Autobots transform, Sunstreaker is colored red instead of yellow. In the next panel, Cliffjumper's head is colored yellow instead of red.
* Page 16: A blue-colored Gears is drawn behind Brawn, even though Gears is off somewhere else with Spider-Man. It should probably be Frenzy, who shows up in the next panel.
* Page 17: Gears' legs can't seem to decide what color they are.
* Page 18: Panel 1: Megatron is drawn instead of Soundwave. Amusingly, the thought bubbles ''almost'' work for Megatron.
* Page 19: Soundwave is drawn with a strange, enormous cannon attached to his arm, rather than his usual weapon.
* Page 21: Brawn and Cliffjumper are both white and blue instead of their normal color schemes. Sunstreaker is blue, white and red, and has the wrong head, AND is missing most of his left arm.
* Page 22:
** Panel 3: Optimus is drawn with strange huge conjoined goggles instead of his usual separate eyes.
** Panel 4: Cliffjumper is still white and blue, while Hound is colored red and white instead of green. Ratchet's repair bay is colored red instead of white.
** Panel 5: Optimus's head is ''tiny''!

==Items of note==
*First Appearances- Humans: Spider-Man, Nick Fury, Dum Dum Dugan.
* '''Cameos:''' Startled onlookers, traffic cop, security guard, trucker, the [[President of the United States]] and his adviser (voices only), Russian adviser (voice only), agents of [[SHIELD]], reporters, [[United States military]].
* Advertised as part 3 in a [[The Transformers Four-Issue Limited Series|four-issue limited series]].
* As one of the issues written during the period when the series was considered to be part of the mainstream [[wikipedia:Marvel_Universe|Marvel Universe]], this installment features a guest appearance by Spider-Man in his [[Venom (Crossovers)|black symbiote costume]], complete with a footnote that dates the story as occurring before the issue of his own title in which he disposed of the suit.
* A much shorter guest appearance by [[U.S. 1]] can be seen in the background as the Autobots drive down the highway.
* Many characters (Ratchet and Bumblebee being among the more prominent examples) are suddenly drawn to match their animation models after two issues of being drawn with toy-based designs.
* Ratchet's [[Onebox component|repair sled]] speaks! Ratchet himself speaks immediately afterwards, making it seem less likely that this was merely a misattributed speech balloon.
* Amongst the military vehicles seen in this issue, the MOBAT and the [[Wolverine (G.I. Joe)|Wolverine]] from the ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]]'' series appear repeatedly.
* Although he doesn't appear in the cover art proper despite his prominent role in the story, Gears does get the cover corner box, the only time in the U.S. series that a character not designated as Autobot or Decepticon leader at the time of the comic gets in the cover box.
* In 2007's "[[Man and Machine, Part Four]]", Spider-Man web-swings around Megatron in a visual homage to the cover of this issue.
* When [[IDW]] released the original Transformers comics onto the Digital Comics Service, this comic was missing from the listings. Hhhhmm, I wonder why that could be? Maybe Peter Parker can tell me?

===References===
* Although it is later established that Transformers existed outside the regular Marvel universe, there is a footnote indicating this story takes place before Spider-Man #258 (when he learns the black costume is a living symbiote).

===Covers (4)===
<gallery>
Image:MarvelUS-03.jpg|'''US issue #3''' - [[Man and Machine, Part Four|Not the only time this has happened.]]
Image:MarvelUK-5.jpg|'''UK issue #5''' - I'm glad my pants are already brown!
Image:MarvelUK-6.jpg|'''UK issue #6''' - The UK needs more RED.
Image:Tfcolcom02.jpg|'''Collected Comics #2'''
</gallery>
* '''US issue #3 cover:''' Spider-Man webbing Megatron, by [[Michael Golden]].
* '''UK issue #5 cover:''' Thundercracker and Sparkplug, by [[John Ridgway]].
* '''UK issue #6 cover:''' reuse of art from U.S. issue
* '''Collected Comics #2 cover:''' Reuse of US issue #4's cover.

===Advertisements===
* None yet identified

[[Category:Marvel US issues]]
[[Category:Marvel UK issues]]

Transformers: Crossovers

2010-12-19T03:06:07Z

Bobcat2022: /* Marvel */ edited syntax to clarify that the second Iron Man TF was not a redeco of a War Machine mold.

{{picsneeded|Logo.}}
'''''Crossovers''''' is a ''Transformers'' [[franchise]] that began in 2008. This line is intended to incorporate properties originating outside of the ''Transformers'' brand. The line currently has [[Marvel Comics]] and ''[[Star Wars]]'' properties making up its products. It is considered to be a continuation and rebranding of the prior ''Star Wars Transformers'' toyline, expanding its scope and retroactively including the older toys.

==2008==
===Marvel===
[[Image:MarvelCrossover Spider-manblack.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Back in Black]]

'''Wave 1'''
*[[Hulk]]
*[[Iron Man]]
*[[Spider-Man]]
*[[Venom (Crossovers)|Venom]]

'''Wave 2'''
*[[Spider-Man|Black Costume Spider-Man]]
*[[Hulk]] (grey redeco)
*[[Human Torch]]
*[[Wolverine (superhero)|Wolverine]]

===Star Wars===
{{main|Star Wars}}
[[Image:SWTF-toy CommanderCody.JPG|right|250px|thumb|]]

'''Wave 1'''
*[[Darth Vader|Jedi Starfighter to Anakin Skywalker]]
*[[Boba Fett|Boba Fett to Slave I]] (repackaged from ''Star Wars Transformers'')
*[[Cody|Clone Commander Cody to Turbo Tank]] (repackaged from ''Star Wars Transformers'')
*[[Clone Pilot|Clone ARC Pilot to ARC-170 Starfighter]] ([[redeco]]ed from ''Star Wars Transformers'')
*[[Clone Pilot|Clone Pilot to Republic Gunship]] ([[retool]]ed and redecoed from ''Star Wars Transformers'')
*[[Obi-Wan Kenobi|Jedi Starfighter to Obi-Wan Kenobi]] (repackaged from ''Star Wars Transformers'')

'''Wave 2'''
*[[Palpatine|Emperor Palpatine to Imperial Shuttle]] (redecoed from ''Star Wars Transformers'')
*[[Grievous|General Grievous to Grievous Starfighter]]
*[[AT-AT|Imperial Trooper to AT-AT]] (redecoed from ''Star Wars Transformers'')
*[[Luke Skywalker|Snowspeeder to Luke Skywalker]] (repackaged from ''Star Wars Transformers'')
*[[TIE Fighter|TIE Pilot to TIE Bomber]]

==2009==
===Marvel===
[[Image:MarvelCrossovers Captainamerica.JPG|right|250px|thumb|]]

'''Wave 3'''
*[[Captain America]]
*[[Carnage]] (Venom redeco)
*[[Iron Man]] (Redeco in War Machine colors)
*[[Thor]]

'''Wave 4'''
*[[Spider-Man]]/[[Iron Man]] combiner
*[[Wolverine (superhero)|Wolverine]] (brown redeco)

'''Wave 5'''
*[[Hulk]] (new bulldozer mold)
*[[Spider-Man]] (new sports car mold)
*[[Wolverine (superhero)|Wolverine]] (black redeco)

===Star Wars===
[[Image:Crossovers-toy_PloKoon.JPG|right|250px|thumb|]]

'''Wave 3'''
*[[Rex|Captain Rex to AT-TE]]
*[[Clone Pilot|Clone Pilot to V-19 Torrent Starfighter]]
*[[Darth Vader|Darth Vader to TIE Advanced X1 Starfighter]] (repackaged from ''Star Wars Transformers'')

'''Wave 4'''
*[[Ahsoka Tano|Ahsoka Tano to Jedi Starfighter]]
*[[MagnaGuard|MagnaGuard to MagnaGuard Starfighter]]

'''Wave 5'''
*[[Plo Koon|Plo Koon to Jedi Starfighter]]
*[[Shock Trooper|Shock Trooper to V-Wing Starfighter]]

'''Wave 6'''
*[[Battle Droid|Battle Droid to AAT]]
*[[Kit Fisto|Jedi Starfighter to Kit Fisto]]

'''Wave 7'''
*[[Battle Droid|Battle Droid Commander to Armored Assault Tank]]
*[[Clone Pilot|Clone Pilot to V-Wing Starfighter]]

{{note|With this wave, the toys' packaging was changed from white and blue to a new white and red style.}}

'''Wave 8'''
*[[Grievous|General Grievous to Grievous' Starfighter]] (repackaged)
*[[Obi-Wan Kenobi|Obi-Wan Kenobi to Jedi Starfighter]] (repackaged from ''Star Wars Transformers'')

==2010==
===Marvel===
'''Wave 6'''
*[[Iron Man]] (new sports car mold)
*[[Spider-Man]] (black redeco of sports car mold)

'''Wave 7 (''Iron Man 2'' Concept Series wave)'''
*Iron Man (redeco of sports car mold)
*Iron Man (redeco of original jet mold)
*Iron Man (retool of Captain America mold)
*[[War Machine]] (redeco of Iron Man jet from the Spider-Man combiner)

'''Wave 8'''
*[[Ghost Rider]]
*Spider-Man (single-packed redeco of helicopter mold from the Iron Man combiner)

'''Future waves'''
*[[Thing]]
*Iron Man/War Machine combiner

{{comingsoontoy}}

'''Canceled wave'''
*[[Human Torch]] (blue and black redeco)
*[[Punisher]]

{{canceledtoy}}

===Star Wars===
'''Wave 9'''
*[[Darth Vader|Anakin Skywalker to The ''Twilight'']]
*[[Y-wing|Y-wing Pilot to Y-wing]]

'''Wave 10'''
*[[Cad Bane|Cad Bane to the ''Xanadu Blood'']]
*[[Darth Vader|Anakin Skywalker to Y-wing Bomber]]
*[[Obi-Wan Kenobi|Obi-Wan Kenobi to Jedi Starfighter]] (retool of Delta-7 mold)

'''Wave 11'''
*[[Darth Vader|Anakin Skywalker to Y-wing Bomber]] (repackaged)
*[[Rex|Captain Rex to AT-TE]] (repackaged)
*[[Rex|Captain Rex to Freeco Bike]]
*[[Darth Vader|Darth Vader to TIE Advanced X1 Starfighter]] (repackaged)
*[[Yoda|Yoda to Republic Attack Shuttle]]

{{note|With this wave, the packaging was changed to a new black and blue style.}}

'''Wave 12'''
*[[Darth Vader|Anakin Skywalker to Jedi Starfighter]] (repackaged ''Episode II'' version with less accessories)
*[[Clone Gunner|Clone Gunner to Republic Fighter Tank]]
*[[Cad Bane|Cad Bane to Cad Bane's ''Xanadu Blood'']] (repackaged)
*[[Obi-Wan Kenobi|Obi-Wan Kenobi to Jedi Starfighter]] (repackaged wave 10 mold version)

'''Wave 13'''
*[[Thire|Lieutenant Thire to Republic Assault Cruiser]]

==See also==
*[[Animorphs (toyline)|Animorphs]]
*[[Disney Label]]

[[Category:Crossovers| ]]
[[Category:Franchises]]
[[Category:Multi-property brands]]

Spider-Man

2010-12-19T02:58:15Z

Bobcat2022: /* IDW comics continuity */

:''Spider-Man is a [[human]] character from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Spider-man.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Someday we may learn more about this mysterious Spider-Man.]]

'''Peter Benjamin Parker''' is a photographer for the ''[[Daily Bugle]]'' newspaper under Editor-in-Chief [[Joe Robertson]]. Parker is ''also'' the friendly costumed hero '''Spider-Man'''. Spider-Man possesses the abilities of Earth arachnids, allowing him to fire thread-like projectiles from his wrists. These threads may be used to spin webs of near-limitless size, as well as to capture thieves and other assorted rogues in the selfsame manner as a spider entraps traditional insects. Those who wonder about his boundless strength would be advised to listen closely, as his spectacular might is the result of radioactive energy flowing through his very veins. The aforementioned web-like materials fired from his wrists can also be used as a means of swinging to and fro, meaning that those who wish to observe the Spider-Man in action can best do so by simply looking overhead. In addition, he is known to be primarily a nocturnal adventurer, appearing in the deep of night wherever evil is afoot. His alacrity is so great, his timing so amazing, he has been compared to a flash of light. Despite his best efforts and good intentions, it seems that his attempts at justice are often overlooked, and while other heroes may find celebrity and fortune, poor Parker is constantly in one hang-up or another. Regardless, the Spider-Man soldiers on; wherever there is a fight or ruckus or tussle, the Spider-Man can be found!

Sometimes he has a black costume, which he can control with his mind, and can shapeshift into normal clothes.

He's kind of a smartass.

{{bigquote|Doom's robot army. Somebody did a full drive by on em-|[[Luke Cage]]}}
{{bigquote|-in their own hood. What? I can "talk street"!|Spider-Man...making a bad crossover that little bit more bearable|"[[Man and Machine, Part One]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1===
====Marvel Comics continuity====
{{noteukonly}}

In 1984, while covering the news of the new [[Decepticon]] fortress in [[Oregon]], Peter Parker/Spider-Man intercepted [[Gears (G1)|Gears]], who had been sent on a scouting mission, and attacked, thinking Gears was one of the invaders. When [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] threw a tank at a gaggle of unwary reporters, Gears saved them, convincing Spider-Man he was good.

Spider-Man teamed up with the [[Autobot]]s to help rescue [[Sparkplug Witwicky]] from the [[Decepticon]]s. Spider-Man noted that he has had many adventures in his long history as a superhero. [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] replied that he is sure tales of his exploits would be interesting... they could possibly even be described as ''amazing''.

Spidey managed to get the Autobots past the army with a little subterfuge, which lasted about ten seconds. While the Autobots dealt with both the human army ''and'' some invading Decepticons, he and Gears made their way into the base. After dispatching the cassettes and [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]], the pair found Sparkplug, and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]! He used his webbing to completely mummify Megatron, but it didn't hold for very long. Megatron blasted a hole in the floor of their base, so Gears, and Sparkplug would plummet to their deaths. Webbing saved Spider and Spark, but couldn't hold Gears' weight.

Spider-Man was aghast that the Autobots would treat their comrade's apparent death so nonchalantly. He followed the Autobots back to the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], and Prime failed to explain in any adequate sense how Gears was neither dead nor alive right then. But Spider-Man couldn't stick around, so he left. {{storylink|Prisoner of War!}}

[[Image:M23 noahacionrecycles.jpg|right|100px|thumb|Jameson was right, he ''is'' a bad influence.]]

''Megatron referenced Spider-Man's involvement just before reprimanding Starscream for challenging his authority.'' {{storylink|The Enemy Within!}}

Later, Spider-Man had become an iconic figure wearing a different costume, featuring a red mask with a black spiderweb pattern. [[Noah Acton]] wears a t-shirt bearing his likeness, indicating either kid appeal or counterculture status. {{storylink|Decepticon Graffiti!}}
{{-}}

====Cartoon continuity====
[[Image:TheAutobotRun-Spideyshirt.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Kid, move your damn hand. We're more interested in Spider-Man, not you.]]
In 1985, Spider-Man had become an iconic figure wearing a different costume, featuring a red mask with a black spiderweb pattern. T-shirts were made of his likeness! <br>...wait, is that Noah? {{storylink|The Autobot Run}}

{{-}}
====IDW comics continuity====

[[Image:Megsandspidy.jpg|left|200px|thumb|[[Prisoner of War!|Not the first time this has happened.]]]]

As part of the [[Avengers]], Spider-Man traveled to [[Latveria]] to investigate [[Doctor Doom]]'s apparent attack on the neighboring country, [[Symkaria]]. Upon arrival, he and his fellow heroes found a dome-shaped structure emitting radiation and broke into it. Inside the building, they came under attack from automated laser turrets, and while Spider-Man was busy webbing them up and cracking jokes, he was suddenly electrocuted into submission and kidnapped by [[Runabout]]. When he regained consciousness, he found himself strapped to a table by a giant robot named [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], who explained that the hero was about to help him and his [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] conquer the world. {{storylink|Man and Machine, Part One}} Megatron began extracting Spider-Man's radioactive blood, refining it into a powerful [[Energon (fuel)|energon]] isotope that he used to supercharge his troops. All Spidey could do was lay there and weakly taunt him. {{storylink|Man and Machine, Part Two}}

[[Luke Cage]] and [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] came to his rescue, but were promptly defeated by the charged-up Megatron. {{storylink|Man and Machine, Part Three}} However, after Megatron left to deal with the attacking Avengers and [[Autobot|Autobots]] outside, Spider-Man proved he still had enough strength to burst out of his restraints. After meeting with Ratchet and [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]], he agreed to power them up using Megatron's device as well. Ultimately, he didn't have to sacrifice even more blood, though, as [[Wolverine (superhero)|Wolverine]] offered to take his place. Spider-Man followed Ratchet and Prowl outside, where he webbed up Megatron in an attempt to stop him from escaping. It ultimately failed, but at least he made the Decepticon leader look mighty silly as he lay tied up and helpless on the ground! After everything was wrapped up, Spidey and the other Avengers returned home on the [[Quinjet]]. {{storylink|Man and Machine, Part Four}}

===Crossovers===
Unseen scientist [[Mister Fantastic]] constructed large, transforming [[Mech|battle armour]] for various superhumans; Spider-Man received two, one based on each of his costumes, both of which could transform into a high-speed motorcycle. It is likely Richards gained the idea from Spider-Man, as it is inconceivable the encounter with the Transformers wouldn't have a lasting impact on the vigilante.<ref>''Crossovers'' Motorcyle Spider-Man packaging bio</ref>

One sign of such an impact is that Spider-Man's activities seem to be focused solely on fighting [[Carnage|hostile]] [[Venom (Crossovers)|aliens]]. One of those aliens has somehow stolen and altered Spider-Man's loyal living costume; how he'll reclaim it is unknown. He clearly misses it, based on his second, black-painted armour!

Spider-Man later teamed up with fellow superhero [[Iron Man]], who built him a third battle suit—one that transformed into a helicopter and could combine with Iron Man's own bomber mech to form a "super jet".<ref>''Crossovers'' Spider-Man/Iron Man packaging bio</ref>

Iron Man apparently has a soft spot for the wall-crawler, as he constructed Spider-Man a ''fourth'' battle suit for when two wheels just aren't good enough. The transforming car mech can match Iron Man's suit in speed and is better armored than the original cycle suit.<ref>''Crossovers'' Race Car Spider-Man packaging bio</ref>

==Toys==
===Crossovers===
[[Image:MarvelcrossoversSpider-man.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Is it perverted to think that this is actually a good likeness?]]
*'''Spider-Man''' (Marvel, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' 2 missiles

:''[[Crossovers]]'' Spider-Man transforms into a red and blue motorcycle. He has a "webbing missile" launcher on each arm, and the missiles become twin exhaust pipes in vehicle mode. Also, much of his transformation mirrors that of the 2007 movie [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]].

:[[Venom (Crossovers)|Venom]] is delightfully not a [[black repaint]] of him.

{{-}}
[[Image:MarvelCrossover Spider-manblack.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Alternate scene from ''Spider-Man 3'': What would have happened if the symbiotes possessed Peter's scooter, not his shoe.]]
*'''Black Costume Spider-Man''' (Marvel, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' 2 missiles

:A solid black [[redeco]] of the above toy, including the formerly transparent parts. Er, yeah.

:Although this likeness of Spider-Man is obviously his appearance after he was infected by the Symbiotes (hence his proper name now being Symbiote Spider-Man), he was most likely named "Black Costume" to avoid [[trademark]] issues.

{{-}}
[[Image:Crossovers-toy_SpiderMan09.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Raise your hand if you're sure.]]
*'''Spider-Man''' (Marvel, 2009)
**''Accessories:'' 2 missiles

:Another redeco of the original toy, the 2009 edition of Spider-Man replaces the light blue parts with dark blue, akin to his film and some of his comic appearances. This release featured new box art of Spider-Man.

{{-}}
[[Image:Crossovers-toy_SpiderManCombiner.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Great, so now he really is Iron Man's bitch.]]
*'''Spider-Man / Iron-Man''' (Marvel two-pack, 2009)

:This Spider-Man toy transforms into a slim, high-speed helicopter with big underslung engine pods. He comes packaged with [[Iron Man]] (who transforms into a stealth bomber), and can combine with him in either mode to form a "giant super bomber"... or Spider-Man with a stealth bomber on his head.

{{-}}
[[Image:Crossovers-toy_SpiderManCar.JPG|right|250px|thumb|Oh god no! Does this mean he'll end up like that other [[wikipedia:Spider-Man%27s_powers_and_equipment#Spider-Mobile|Spider-Mobile?]] ]]
*'''Spider-Man''' (Marvel, 2010)

:This Spider-Man toy transforms into a streamlined futuristic "Spider-Car" based loosely on a LeMans-style racer. It is fairly compact and unfolds in to a roughly 7" tall robot with much more angular features than the original motorcycle version. Unlike nearly ever other [[Crossovers]] figure, this one lacks a [[gimmick]] of any kind other than being a transforming Spider-Man.

:The toy's instructions are also somewhat crazy as they go through the entire transformation sequence, then ends with a picture of Spider-Man transformed a totally different way from the waist down (resembling the picture on the back of the card). This was likely done because transforming him the correct way makes it impossible for him to stand without splaying his legs far out to the sides. The instructions also fail to note the step wherein his legs extend slightly to reveal double-jointed knees.

{{-}}
[[Image:Crossovers-toy_BlackSpiderManCar.jpg|thumb|right|250px| [[Redeco]] deja vu!]]
*'''Black Costume Spider-Man''' (Marvel, 2010)

:A second "black costume" redeco, now for the car version of Spider-Man. This toy most likely also encounters the same naming problems as the black repaint before, the most likely reason as to why he is named "Black Costume" Spider-Man.

{{-}}
[[Image:Crossovers-toy_SpiderManHelicopter.jpg|thumb|right|250px|]]
*'''Spider-Man''' (Marvel, 2010)

:A single-packed version of the helicopter Spider-Man from the Iron Man combiner pack, differing only in the shades of red and blue used for the plastic. While he has no combiner buddy anymore, he can always be combined with the similarly single-packed flying wing [[War Machine]] toy, if you're so inclined.

{{comingsoontoy}}
{{--}}

==Notes==
* Reprints of Spider-Man's encounter with [[Iron Man|the Iron Man of 2020]] were used as a back-up strip in [[The Transformers (Marvel Comics)|''Transformers'' UK]].
* It's occasionally claimed that a Spider-Man story published as part of the "[[wikipedia:Clone_Saga|Clone Saga]]" during the 1990s features a line where Peter claims that he had never been to Oregon, thereby "clearly" establishing Spidey's guest appearance in [[Prisoner of War!|issue 3]] of the Marvel US ''Transformers'' comic as being not part of the mainstream ("616") Marvel universe. In fact, however, Peter claims (in a monologue) having never been to '''Utah''' in ''Spider-Man'' #57 (1995), since [[wikipedia:Kaine|Kaine's]] murder of Louise Kennedy had happened there (in ''Spider-Man: The Lost Years'' #3).
*Spider-Man and other Marvel characters who have interacted with Transformers are now considered to be from the [[Earth-120185]] universe and not the [http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Earth-616 616 universe].

==External links==
* [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/c:Marveldatabase:Peter_Parker_%28Earth-616%29 Spider-Man at Marvel Database]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man Spider-Man at Wikipedia]

==References==
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[[Category:Crossovers characters]]
[[Category:Combiners]]
[[Category:Generation 1 humans]]
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[[Category:Superheroes]]

File:Megsandspidy.jpg

2010-12-19T02:56:16Z

Bobcat2022: fixed a typo, sorry

[[Spider-Man]] shows [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] that he can he swing from a thread, in a visual homage to the cover of 1984's [[Prisoner of War!]].
{{art
|pencils=[[Tyler Kirkham]]
|inks=[[Sal Regla]]
|color=[[Annette Kwok]]
|letters=[[Todd Klein]]
|script=[[Stuart Moore]]
|from=''[[New Avengers / Transformers]]'' [[Man and Machine, Part Four]]
}}
© [[2007]] [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]], [[IDW Publishing]]

Prisoner of War!

2010-12-19T02:55:03Z

Bobcat2022: Linked to Spider-Man's page in Synopsis, added hyphen to his name in "Items of Note", and moved link to "Man and Machine" to a more discrete location.

{{comicstory|seriesissue=[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (US)]] #3
|prev=Power Play!
|next=The Last Stand
|title=Prisoner of War!
|seriesissue2=[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)#Marvel UK|''The Transformers'' (UK)]] #5–6
|prev2=Power Play!
|next2=The Last Stand
|image=MarvelUS-03.jpg
|caption=Is he strong? Listen, [[bud]], he made Megatron go thud.
|publisher=[[Marvel Comics]]
|date=[[October 2]], 1984
|coverdate=January 1985
|writer=[[Jim Salicrup]]
|penciler=[[Frank Springer]]
|inker=[[Kim DeMulder]], [[Mike Esposito]]
|colorist=[[Nelson Yomtov]]
|letterers=[[Janice Chiang]] & Others
|editor=[[Bob Budiansky]]
|continuity=[[Marvel Comics continuity]]
}}
'''When Sparkplug is kidnapped, it's up to Gears and Spider-Man to save him.'''

==Synopsis==
The [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] bring Sparkplug Witwicky to their [[Fortress Sinister|fortress]] and Megatron deliberates internally on Starscream's loyalty. The Decepticons demand that Sparkplug create a method to convert gas into fuel compatible with their forms. A Korean War vet, Sparkplug equates his capture to his time spent as a POW in Korea and refuses, until he's forcefully persuaded.

Back at the Witwicky garage, Buster and his friends are wondering what to do next. Optimus orders everyone back to the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] for fuel and repairs, inviting Buster along the ride. When they arrive, he marvels at the size of the [[Autobot|Autobots]]' HQ.

Soundwave, Rumble and Starscream are out stealing components for Sparkplug's fuel conversion process, and their crime spree attracts attention from the press and world governments. As camera crews and the military surround the Decepticon fortress, photojournalist Peter Parker decides to switch to his alter ego [[Spider-Man]] in order to get some better shots of the action. He runs into Gears, and after a short tussle Gears proves that he's a good guy when he saves a crowd of humans from getting squashed flat by a tank. The Autobots team up with Spider-Man to break through the line of reporters and soldiers, and an all-out battle breaks out between the 'Cons and the 'Bots.

Meanwhile, Gears and Spider-Man are making their way into the fortress. After a short scrap with Ravage, Gears and Spider-Man break in and steal Sparkplug from under Megatron's nose. The Decepticon leader shoots out the floor beneath them, and while Spider-Man saves Sparkplug, Gears' weight breaks the web Spider-Man tried to save him with and he plummets to the earth below.

On their return to the Ark, Buster and Sparkplug are reunited and the Autobots say goodbye to Spider-Man. Ratchet brings Gears back to a functional level and he informs the Autobots that the Decepticons got what they wanted out of Sparkplug. Dad, say it ain't so!
{{-}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (12)
* [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] (13)
* [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] (14)
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] (16)
* [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (17)
* [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]] (18)
* [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] (21)
* [[Gears (G1)|Gears]] (22)
* [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] (23)
* [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (24)
* [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] (29)
* [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (30)
* [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] (31)
|c2=
* [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (1)
* [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (2)
* [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (3)
* [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (5)
* [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (6)
* [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (7)
* [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] (8)
* [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] (9)
* [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]] (10)
* [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] (11)
|c3=
* [[Sparkplug Witwicky]] (4)
* [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]] (15)
* [[Jesse]] (19)
* [["O"]] (20)
* [[Dum Dum|Dum Dum Dugan]] (25)
* [[Nicholas|Nick Fury]] (26)
* [[Joe Robertson]] (27)
* [[Spider-Man|Peter Parker]] (28)
}}
==Errors==
* Page 5: Ironhide is colored like... uh... uh... well, he's got blue arms, blue and gray legs, and a white windshield frame. Windcharger is colored white and blue instead of red and gray. ([[Tailgate|Coincidence!]]) The silhouettes behind Optimus don't match anyone from the Autobot ranks.
* Page 8: Ratchet is colored with a red crest, shoulders, and legs. They should all be white. For the rest of Ratchet's appearances in this issue, he's colored with a blue windshield frame and red shoulders; it happens consistently enough to suggest that it was an earlier color scheme rather than a flat-out error.
* Page 9: [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] is shown hanging out with the Decepticons. Next issue will reveal that he's still buried in rock at this point.
* Page 11: Skywarp's jet mode is colored as if his cockpit canopy extended all the way back to his tail fins. When he lands on the Air Force jet, his wings are missing.
* Page 15: As the Autobots transform, Sunstreaker is colored red instead of yellow. In the next panel, Cliffjumper's head is colored yellow instead of red.
* Page 16: A blue-colored Gears is drawn behind Brawn, even though Gears is off somewhere else with Spider-Man. It should probably be Frenzy, who shows up in the next panel.
* Page 17: Gears' legs can't seem to decide what color they are.
* Page 18: Panel 1: Megatron is drawn instead of Soundwave. Amusingly, the thought bubbles ''almost'' work for Megatron.
* Page 19: Soundwave is drawn with a strange, enormous cannon attached to his arm, rather than his usual weapon.
* Page 21: Brawn and Cliffjumper are both white and blue instead of their normal color schemes. Sunstreaker is blue, white and red, and has the wrong head, AND is missing most of his left arm.
* Page 22:
** Panel 3: Optimus is drawn with strange huge conjoined goggles instead of his usual separate eyes.
** Panel 4: Cliffjumper is still white and blue, while Hound is colored red and white instead of green. Ratchet's repair bay is colored red instead of white.
** Panel 5: Optimus's head is ''tiny''!

==Items of note==
*First Appearances- Humans: Spider-Man, Nick Fury, Dum Dum Dugan.
* '''Cameos:''' Startled onlookers, traffic cop, security guard, trucker, the [[President of the United States]] and his adviser (voices only), Russian adviser (voice only), agents of [[SHIELD]], reporters, [[United States military]].
* Advertised as part 3 in a [[The Transformers Four-Issue Limited Series|four-issue limited series]].
* As one of the issues written during the period when the series was considered to be part of the mainstream [[wikipedia:Marvel_Universe|Marvel Universe]], this installment features a guest appearance by Spider-Man in his [[Venom (Crossovers)|black symbiote costume]], complete with a footnote that dates the story as occurring before the issue of his own title in which he disposed of the suit.
* A much shorter guest appearance by [[U.S. 1]] can be seen in the background as the Autobots drive down the highway.
* Many characters (Ratchet and Bumblebee being among the more prominent examples) are suddenly drawn to match their animation models after two issues of being drawn with toy-based designs.
* Ratchet's [[Onebox component|repair sled]] speaks! Ratchet himself speaks immediately afterwards, making it seem less likely that this was merely a misattributed speech balloon.
* Amongst the military vehicles seen in this issue, the MOBAT and the Wolverine from the [[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]] series appear repeatedly.
* Although he doesn't appear in the cover art proper despite his prominent role in the story, Gears does get the cover corner box, the only time in the U.S. series that a character not designated as Autobot or Decepticon leader at the time of the comic gets in the cover box.
* When [[IDW]] released the original Transformers comics onto the Digital Comics Service, this comic was missing from the listings. Hhhhmm, I wonder why that could be? Maybe Peter Parker can tell me?

===References===
* Although it is later established that Transformers existed outside the regular Marvel universe, there is a footnote indicating this story takes place before Spider-Man #258 (when he learns the black costume is a living symbiote).

===Covers (4)===
<gallery>
Image:MarvelUS-03.jpg|'''US issue #3''' - [[Man and Machine, Part Four|Not the only time this has happened.]]
Image:MarvelUK-5.jpg|'''UK issue #5''' - I'm glad my pants are already brown!
Image:MarvelUK-6.jpg|'''UK issue #6''' - The UK needs more RED.
Image:Tfcolcom02.jpg|'''Collected Comics #2'''
</gallery>
* '''US issue #3 cover:''' Spider-Man webbing Megatron, by [[Michael Golden]].
* '''UK issue #5 cover:''' Thundercracker and Sparkplug, by [[John Ridgway]].
* '''UK issue #6 cover:''' reuse of art from U.S. issue
* '''Collected Comics #2 cover:''' Reuse of US issue #4's cover.

===Advertisements===
* None yet identified

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[[Category:Marvel UK issues]]

File:Megsandspidy.jpg

2010-12-19T02:46:03Z

Bobcat2022: Linked to Spider-Man and Megatron's pages.

[[Spider-Man]] shows [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron] that he can he swing from a thread, in a visual homage to the cover of 1984's [[Prisoner of War!]].
{{art
|pencils=[[Tyler Kirkham]]
|inks=[[Sal Regla]]
|color=[[Annette Kwok]]
|letters=[[Todd Klein]]
|script=[[Stuart Moore]]
|from=''[[New Avengers / Transformers]]'' [[Man and Machine, Part Four]]
}}
© [[2007]] [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]], [[IDW Publishing]]

Spider-Man

2010-12-19T02:45:00Z

Bobcat2022: /* IDW comics continuity */ Added link to Prisoner of War in the caption to the image which homages it, for those who may be feeling deja vu.

:''Spider-Man is a [[human]] character from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Spider-man.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Someday we may learn more about this mysterious Spider-Man.]]

'''Peter Benjamin Parker''' is a photographer for the ''[[Daily Bugle]]'' newspaper under Editor-in-Chief [[Joe Robertson]]. Parker is ''also'' the friendly costumed hero '''Spider-Man'''. Spider-Man possesses the abilities of Earth arachnids, allowing him to fire thread-like projectiles from his wrists. These threads may be used to spin webs of near-limitless size, as well as to capture thieves and other assorted rogues in the selfsame manner as a spider entraps traditional insects. Those who wonder about his boundless strength would be advised to listen closely, as his spectacular might is the result of radioactive energy flowing through his very veins. The aforementioned web-like materials fired from his wrists can also be used as a means of swinging to and fro, meaning that those who wish to observe the Spider-Man in action can best do so by simply looking overhead. In addition, he is known to be primarily a nocturnal adventurer, appearing in the deep of night wherever evil is afoot. His alacrity is so great, his timing so amazing, he has been compared to a flash of light. Despite his best efforts and good intentions, it seems that his attempts at justice are often overlooked, and while other heroes may find celebrity and fortune, poor Parker is constantly in one hang-up or another. Regardless, the Spider-Man soldiers on; wherever there is a fight or ruckus or tussle, the Spider-Man can be found!

Sometimes he has a black costume, which he can control with his mind, and can shapeshift into normal clothes.

He's kind of a smartass.

{{bigquote|Doom's robot army. Somebody did a full drive by on em-|[[Luke Cage]]}}
{{bigquote|-in their own hood. What? I can "talk street"!|Spider-Man...making a bad crossover that little bit more bearable|"[[Man and Machine, Part One]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1===
====Marvel Comics continuity====
{{noteukonly}}

In 1984, while covering the news of the new [[Decepticon]] fortress in [[Oregon]], Peter Parker/Spider-Man intercepted [[Gears (G1)|Gears]], who had been sent on a scouting mission, and attacked, thinking Gears was one of the invaders. When [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] threw a tank at a gaggle of unwary reporters, Gears saved them, convincing Spider-Man he was good.

Spider-Man teamed up with the [[Autobot]]s to help rescue [[Sparkplug Witwicky]] from the [[Decepticon]]s. Spider-Man noted that he has had many adventures in his long history as a superhero. [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] replied that he is sure tales of his exploits would be interesting... they could possibly even be described as ''amazing''.

Spidey managed to get the Autobots past the army with a little subterfuge, which lasted about ten seconds. While the Autobots dealt with both the human army ''and'' some invading Decepticons, he and Gears made their way into the base. After dispatching the cassettes and [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]], the pair found Sparkplug, and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]! He used his webbing to completely mummify Megatron, but it didn't hold for very long. Megatron blasted a hole in the floor of their base, so Gears, and Sparkplug would plummet to their deaths. Webbing saved Spider and Spark, but couldn't hold Gears' weight.

Spider-Man was aghast that the Autobots would treat their comrade's apparent death so nonchalantly. He followed the Autobots back to the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], and Prime failed to explain in any adequate sense how Gears was neither dead nor alive right then. But Spider-Man couldn't stick around, so he left. {{storylink|Prisoner of War!}}

[[Image:M23 noahacionrecycles.jpg|right|100px|thumb|Jameson was right, he ''is'' a bad influence.]]

''Megatron referenced Spider-Man's involvement just before reprimanding Starscream for challenging his authority.'' {{storylink|The Enemy Within!}}

Later, Spider-Man had become an iconic figure wearing a different costume, featuring a red mask with a black spiderweb pattern. [[Noah Acton]] wears a t-shirt bearing his likeness, indicating either kid appeal or counterculture status. {{storylink|Decepticon Graffiti!}}
{{-}}

====Cartoon continuity====
[[Image:TheAutobotRun-Spideyshirt.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Kid, move your damn hand. We're more interested in Spider-Man, not you.]]
In 1985, Spider-Man had become an iconic figure wearing a different costume, featuring a red mask with a black spiderweb pattern. T-shirts were made of his likeness! <br>...wait, is that Noah? {{storylink|The Autobot Run}}

{{-}}
====IDW comics continuity====

[[Image:Megsandspidy.jpg|left|200px|thumb|[[Prisoner of War!|Not the first time this has happened.]]]]

As part of the [[Avengers]], Spider-Man traveled to [[Latveria]] to investigate [[Doctor Doom]]'s apparent attack on the neighboring country, [[Symkaria]]. Upon arrival, he and his fellow heroes found a dome-shaped structure emitting radiation and broke into it. Inside the building, they came under attack from automated laser turrets, and while Spider-Man was busy webbing them up and cracking jokes, he was suddenly electrocuted into submission and kidnapped by [[Runabout]]. When he regained consciousness, he found himself strapped to a table by a giant robot named [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], who explained that the hero was about to help him and his [[Decepticon]]s conquer the world. {{storylink|Man and Machine, Part One}} Megatron began extracting Spider-Man's radioactive blood, refining it into a powerful [[Energon (fuel)|energon]] isotope that he used to supercharge his troops. All Spidey could do was lay there and weakly taunt him. {{storylink|Man and Machine, Part Two}}

[[Luke Cage]] and [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] came to his rescue, but were promptly defeated by the charged-up Megatron. {{storylink|Man and Machine, Part Three}} However, after Megatron left to deal with the attacking Avengers and [[Autobot]]s outside, Spider-Man proved he still had enough strength to burst out of his restraints. After meeting with Ratchet and [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]], he agreed to power them up using Megatron's device as well. Ultimately, he didn't have to sacrifice even more blood, though, as [[Wolverine (superhero)|Wolverine]] offered to take his place. Spider-Man followed Ratchet and Prowl outside, where he webbed up Megatron in an attempt to stop him from escaping. It ultimately failed, but at least he made the Decepticon leader look mighty silly as he lay tied up and helpless on the ground! After everything was wrapped up, Spidey and the other Avengers returned home on the [[Quinjet]]. {{storylink|Man and Machine, Part Four}}

===Crossovers===
Unseen scientist [[Mister Fantastic]] constructed large, transforming [[Mech|battle armour]] for various superhumans; Spider-Man received two, one based on each of his costumes, both of which could transform into a high-speed motorcycle. It is likely Richards gained the idea from Spider-Man, as it is inconceivable the encounter with the Transformers wouldn't have a lasting impact on the vigilante.<ref>''Crossovers'' Motorcyle Spider-Man packaging bio</ref>

One sign of such an impact is that Spider-Man's activities seem to be focused solely on fighting [[Carnage|hostile]] [[Venom (Crossovers)|aliens]]. One of those aliens has somehow stolen and altered Spider-Man's loyal living costume; how he'll reclaim it is unknown. He clearly misses it, based on his second, black-painted armour!

Spider-Man later teamed up with fellow superhero [[Iron Man]], who built him a third battle suit—one that transformed into a helicopter and could combine with Iron Man's own bomber mech to form a "super jet".<ref>''Crossovers'' Spider-Man/Iron Man packaging bio</ref>

Iron Man apparently has a soft spot for the wall-crawler, as he constructed Spider-Man a ''fourth'' battle suit for when two wheels just aren't good enough. The transforming car mech can match Iron Man's suit in speed and is better armored than the original cycle suit.<ref>''Crossovers'' Race Car Spider-Man packaging bio</ref>

==Toys==
===Crossovers===
[[Image:MarvelcrossoversSpider-man.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Is it perverted to think that this is actually a good likeness?]]
*'''Spider-Man''' (Marvel, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' 2 missiles

:''[[Crossovers]]'' Spider-Man transforms into a red and blue motorcycle. He has a "webbing missile" launcher on each arm, and the missiles become twin exhaust pipes in vehicle mode. Also, much of his transformation mirrors that of the 2007 movie [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]].

:[[Venom (Crossovers)|Venom]] is delightfully not a [[black repaint]] of him.

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[[Image:MarvelCrossover Spider-manblack.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Alternate scene from ''Spider-Man 3'': What would have happened if the symbiotes possessed Peter's scooter, not his shoe.]]
*'''Black Costume Spider-Man''' (Marvel, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' 2 missiles

:A solid black [[redeco]] of the above toy, including the formerly transparent parts. Er, yeah.

:Although this likeness of Spider-Man is obviously his appearance after he was infected by the Symbiotes (hence his proper name now being Symbiote Spider-Man), he was most likely named "Black Costume" to avoid [[trademark]] issues.

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[[Image:Crossovers-toy_SpiderMan09.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Raise your hand if you're sure.]]
*'''Spider-Man''' (Marvel, 2009)
**''Accessories:'' 2 missiles

:Another redeco of the original toy, the 2009 edition of Spider-Man replaces the light blue parts with dark blue, akin to his film and some of his comic appearances. This release featured new box art of Spider-Man.

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[[Image:Crossovers-toy_SpiderManCombiner.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Great, so now he really is Iron Man's bitch.]]
*'''Spider-Man / Iron-Man''' (Marvel two-pack, 2009)

:This Spider-Man toy transforms into a slim, high-speed helicopter with big underslung engine pods. He comes packaged with [[Iron Man]] (who transforms into a stealth bomber), and can combine with him in either mode to form a "giant super bomber"... or Spider-Man with a stealth bomber on his head.

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[[Image:Crossovers-toy_SpiderManCar.JPG|right|250px|thumb|Oh god no! Does this mean he'll end up like that other [[wikipedia:Spider-Man%27s_powers_and_equipment#Spider-Mobile|Spider-Mobile?]] ]]
*'''Spider-Man''' (Marvel, 2010)

:This Spider-Man toy transforms into a streamlined futuristic "Spider-Car" based loosely on a LeMans-style racer. It is fairly compact and unfolds in to a roughly 7" tall robot with much more angular features than the original motorcycle version. Unlike nearly ever other [[Crossovers]] figure, this one lacks a [[gimmick]] of any kind other than being a transforming Spider-Man.

:The toy's instructions are also somewhat crazy as they go through the entire transformation sequence, then ends with a picture of Spider-Man transformed a totally different way from the waist down (resembling the picture on the back of the card). This was likely done because transforming him the correct way makes it impossible for him to stand without splaying his legs far out to the sides. The instructions also fail to note the step wherein his legs extend slightly to reveal double-jointed knees.

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[[Image:Crossovers-toy_BlackSpiderManCar.jpg|thumb|right|250px| [[Redeco]] deja vu!]]
*'''Black Costume Spider-Man''' (Marvel, 2010)

:A second "black costume" redeco, now for the car version of Spider-Man. This toy most likely also encounters the same naming problems as the black repaint before, the most likely reason as to why he is named "Black Costume" Spider-Man.

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[[Image:Crossovers-toy_SpiderManHelicopter.jpg|thumb|right|250px|]]
*'''Spider-Man''' (Marvel, 2010)

:A single-packed version of the helicopter Spider-Man from the Iron Man combiner pack, differing only in the shades of red and blue used for the plastic. While he has no combiner buddy anymore, he can always be combined with the similarly single-packed flying wing [[War Machine]] toy, if you're so inclined.

{{comingsoontoy}}
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==Notes==
* Reprints of Spider-Man's encounter with [[Iron Man|the Iron Man of 2020]] were used as a back-up strip in [[The Transformers (Marvel Comics)|''Transformers'' UK]].
* It's occasionally claimed that a Spider-Man story published as part of the "[[wikipedia:Clone_Saga|Clone Saga]]" during the 1990s features a line where Peter claims that he had never been to Oregon, thereby "clearly" establishing Spidey's guest appearance in [[Prisoner of War!|issue 3]] of the Marvel US ''Transformers'' comic as being not part of the mainstream ("616") Marvel universe. In fact, however, Peter claims (in a monologue) having never been to '''Utah''' in ''Spider-Man'' #57 (1995), since [[wikipedia:Kaine|Kaine's]] murder of Louise Kennedy had happened there (in ''Spider-Man: The Lost Years'' #3).
*Spider-Man and other Marvel characters who have interacted with Transformers are now considered to be from the [[Earth-120185]] universe and not the [http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Earth-616 616 universe].

==External links==
* [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/c:Marveldatabase:Peter_Parker_%28Earth-616%29 Spider-Man at Marvel Database]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man Spider-Man at Wikipedia]

==References==
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[[Category:Attacktix]]
[[Category:Crossovers characters]]
[[Category:Combiners]]
[[Category:Generation 1 humans]]
[[Category:Marvel properties]]
[[Category:Superheroes]]

File:Megsandspidy.jpg

2010-12-19T02:39:31Z

Bobcat2022: Added link to "Prisoners of War!", the 1984 comic whose cover is homaged by the panel shown here.

Spider-Man shows that he can he swing from a thread, in a visual homage to the cover of his 1984 encounter with Cybertronians, [[Prisoner of War!]].
{{art
|pencils=[[Tyler Kirkham]]
|inks=[[Sal Regla]]
|color=[[Annette Kwok]]
|letters=[[Todd Klein]]
|script=[[Stuart Moore]]
|from=''[[New Avengers / Transformers]]'' [[Man and Machine, Part Four]]
}}
© [[2007]] [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]], [[IDW Publishing]]

First (and Second) in Flight

2010-12-18T06:28:32Z

Bobcat2022: Linked Swoop's name to his article.

{{Comicstory|
|seriesissue=''Transformers Animated: Rise of Safeguard''<br>[[The Arrival|''Transformers Animated: The Arrival'']] #6
|prev=The Arrival issue 5
|next=
|title="First (and Second) in Flight"
|image=Rise of Safeguard.jpg
|caption=
|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=2009
|coverdate=2008
|story by=[[Eric Siebenaler]] and [[Marty Isenberg]]
|written by=Marty Isenberg
|art by=[[Boo]] (pp.1~12)<br/>[[Matthew Frank]] (pp13~24)
|colors by=[[Liam Shalloo]]
|letters by=[[Robbie Robbins]]
|edits by=[[Kris Oprisko]]
|continuity=[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]
|packaged with=[[Jetfire (Animated)#Animated|Jetfire and Jetstorm]]
}}

'''The Autobot Elite Guard intends to use the captive Starscream to help create the first flying Autobot. But the resulting twin brothers Jetfire and Jetstorm are more than they bargained for.'''

==Synopsis==
In the wake of the [[Decepticon]] uprisings on the rim of the galaxy, Ultra Magnus sends a secure transmission to the Autobot troops, stressing a need for a decisive show of force to remind the Decepticons of Autobot military superiority. Though he does not feel the situation is dire enough to revive [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Project Omega]], clearly action is needed, and he is willing to pursue unorthodox combat upgrade protocols for the Autobots. Back at the [[Cybertron Elite Guard]] flagship, this is met with some skepticism by Sentinel Prime and Jazz. Ultra Magnus has suggested installing flight protocols into Autobots, a feat that is entirely unprecedented. Magnus stresses that they have a rare opportunity in the form of the captured Decepticon Starscream, and that downloading his programming may allow them to do what was previously thought impossible.

Unfortunately, Starscream escapes in the process, but soon Magnus is able to address the Autobot Council on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] and announce that the data download of the Decepticon's programming was successful. He turns this data over to the [[Ministry of Science]], tasking Perceptor with the means to commence with Project Safeguard. Perceptor expresses some unease at the risks involved, prompting Magnus to tell him not to endanger Elite Guard resources, and instead find test subjects that are expendable from the farms and refineries.

[[Image:Jetfirejetstormzackly.jpg|left|250px|thumb|The future of Cybertron, folks.]]
As if on cue, a pair of refinery bots are engaging in grievous shenanigans while on the job, and as a result fall victim to a catastrophic industrial accident. Perceptor promptly has them shipped back to the Ministry of Science, sensing that his "volunteers" have been procured. Indeed, as the test-subjects are split protoforms, Perceptor crows that this is a grand opportunity to experiment a bit with the project. Wheeljack reins in his comrade's scientific glee with the possibility that the data-merge will have unfortunate side-effects upon the twins.

In an upgrade process that takes the better part of a deca-cycle, the twins' structures are reinforced to better withstand the stresses of the data-merge that Red Alert is providing. Even the considerable resources of the Ministry of Science are strained, and things get a bit touch-and-go for a bit. However, Perceptor is soon able to present the finished product to Ultra Magnus.

Magnus assigns the twins to Sentinel Prime for training, who somewhat resents being busted back down to drill sergeant. Assigning the twins the codenames of Jetfire and Jetstorm, he laments that he's out of practice on naming. The twins pass his combat tests with flying colors, but sadly lay waste to most of the training grounds. Ultra Magnus arrives and recommends simulated combat in the future.

Jazz oversees the twins' servo-to-servo combat training. Initially he is able to defeat them easily, but as soon as he turns his back to them, they promptly kick his skidplate. He remarks to Magnus afterward that their flight abilities may be helping them ace the combat training, but that the twins are quickly becoming overconfident. Magnus agrees with these concerns, and Perceptor comments that Starscream's programming could be used to upgrade the combat simulator to give the twins a real challenge.

Strapped into the simulator, the twins make easy work of most of the drone troops sent after them, but have considerably more trouble once the machine tosses a simulated Starscream at them. Proving a much greater danger, Starscream brutalizes the twins up and down the battlefield, eventually grounding Jetstorm. The Starscream may be simulated, but his sadistic nature is spot-on, and he prepares to mutilate Jetstorm for the pleasure of it. Perceptor is alarmed by this, as it wasn't part of the program he'd prepared. Sentinel Prime goes to disconnect the twins before it's too late. This proves impossible, as the simulator rigs are arcing with electricity, preventing the Elite Guard from approaching.

[[Image:Safeguardriseofsafeguard.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Rise of this, rise of that...]]
Incensed by his brother's treatment at Starscream's hands, Jetfire manifests a previously unknown ability to project flames, blasting the Decepticon away from his sibling. This is mirrored by his body being immolated in the simulator rig, endangering the facility. Thankfully, his recovered sibling discovers a similar ability to use his wind turbines to produce intense cold, balancing out Jetfire. Starscream recovers from Jetfire's blast and once again floors the twins. They counter by initiating a ''third'' previously unknown ability and merge into a [[Combiner|gestalt]] form. Now the potent Autobot known as Safeguard, they are finally able to dispatch Starscream, which allows Perceptor to end the simulation.

Convinced of their usefulness, Ultra Magnus inducts the twins as junior officers in the Elite Guard and assigns them to join Sentinel Prime in pursuing the Autobot traitor [[Wasp|Waspinator]].
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==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters|c1=
* [[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]] (1)
* [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] (3)
* [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] (4)
* [[Wheeljack (Animated)|Wheeljack]] (5)
* [[Perceptor (Animated)|Perceptor]] (6)
* [[Jetfire (Animated)|Jetfire]] (7)
* [[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]] (8)
* [[Red Alert (Animated)|Red Alert]] (9)
* [[Safeguard (Animated)|Safeguard]] (10)
|c2=
* [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] (2)
}}
==Errors==
* [[Red Alert (Animated)|Red Alert]] is depicted as having a real left hand, when that should be the arm that ends in her hard-light surgical tool.
* Although he doesn't transform, it's clear from several shots that Sentinel Prime still has his Earth alt mode, despite the episode "[[Autoboot Camp]]" showing that he had reverted to his Cybertronian alt mode soon after leaving Earth. This was explained in ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac|The AllSpark Almanac]]'' as Sentinel changing his mind and re-adopting his Earth mode after Ultra-Magnus decided to keep his (the suck-up!). By coincidence or design, this all fitted very nicely with "[[TransWarped]]", which depicted Sentinel with his Earth mode before he knew he'd be heading back to the planet again.
**Jazz also still appears to have his Earth-mode kibble, but since we never saw his Cybertronian mode, it's hard to say for sure. (It's also possible that Jazz kept his Earth alt mode, since he really seemed to like it.)
* [[Wasp]] is referred to as "Waspinator" by Ultra Magnus, but is still universally called "Wasp" by both the Autobots and himself in ''Animated'' episodes which take place afterward. Somewhat surprisingly, this was corrected to "Wasp" for the European printing of the comic; likewise, the trade paperback edition of the story.
* Jetfire and Jetstorm are clearly stated to be the ''first'' flying Autobots; it seems everyone has forgotten about the [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|giant Autobot that saved everyone]] in the [[Great War (Animated)|Great War]] (though, Project Omega was mentioned by Ultra Magnus). [[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]] can also fly. Everyone forgets about poor Swoop.

==Items of note==
* This issue was available with the Jetstorm/Jetfire action figure set, with the words "Rise of Safeguard" printed on the cover. Originally, it was also supposed to be printed as the sixth issue of ''[[The Arrival]]'' and sold through comic book retailers, but it was canceled on the basis that the ''Arrival'' edition of the story would have wound up being released before the toys were, thereby robbing the printing included with the toys of its promised-on-package exclusivity. ''The Arrival'' trade paperback collection ''does'' contain the issue, with the addition of the proper title.

* There are two Autobots alongside Ultra Magnus in the [[Metroplex (Animated)|Autobot Council Chamber]] who look like they share [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl's]] bodyframe, but in red and green trim. ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|The AllSpark Almanac II]]'' would go on to name these characters [[Horsepower (Animated)|Horsepower]] and [[Sparkride (Animated)|Sparkride]].

*When the comic was released in Europe, it was printed in a "flip-book" style featuring two versions of the story, each in a trilingual style ''a la'' the [[Armada (mini-comic)|''Armada'' mini-comic]]: English, French and German; and Spanish, Italian and Dutch. Alas, this meant that the English language section had to be edited down from the original US printing in order to fit all the languages into speech bubbles. The lives of Europeans are, indeed, [[JaAm|pAiN]].

* The Elite Guard considers non-members to be "expendable", and has no problems with performing dangerous experiments on ordinary robots who don't appear to have volunteered. Wheeljack himself said that using Starscream's code could turn them both into raging psychopaths. Ultra Magnus thinks that Sentinel showed great initiative when he claims to have used live ammo for a test which could have easily resulted in both Jetstorm and Jetfire dying if they hadn't happened to be so naturally adept at flying. And then they pop them into an untested and rather buggy simulator with Starscream, which nearly kills them. ''These'' are the good guys?

* This book must extend over two or three weeks, as the beginning of the comic book is before "[[A Fistful of Energon]]", then Jetstorm and Jetfire are created a [[units of time|deca-cycle]] later, which, according to Magnus himself, is when he (Magnus) was able to contact Optimus and the Autobots. The end of this issue seems to happen shortly before the present-day events of "[[Autoboot Camp]]".

===Transformers references===
* Jazz mentions the cyber-ninjitsu martial arts [[Circuit-Su]] and [[Metallikato]].
* When Jazz is training with Jetstorm and Jetfire, there is a target practice doll of a [[Conehead]] in the background.

===Real world references===
* Jazz continues to speak in 1950s beatnik slang, using words such as "Clyde", "dig", "nowheresville", and "square".

===Covers===
* '''Cover that came w/ the 2-Pack:''' Jetstorm and Jetfire flying through space; art by [[Boo]] and colors by [[Benjamin Meier]].
* '''Unused ''The Arrival'' #6 cover:''' Sentinel Prime with Jetfire and Jetstorm; art by Boo and colors by [[Liam Shalloo]]. This was included in the TPB, along with an additional version that has the two brothers recolored to represent them using their powers.
<gallery>
Image:Rise of Safeguard.jpg|Jets. Jets with fire!
Image:Arrival issue 6 unused.jpg|Alas, it was not to be.
</gallery>

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[[Category:The Arrival issues]]

Jazz (Animated)

2010-12-18T05:59:44Z

Bobcat2022: /* Animated cartoon */ Fixed some grammar errors in Safeguard comic summary.

{{disambig3|Jazz}}
{{factions|autobot|eliteguard}}
:''Jazz is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:TFA Jazz promoimage.JPG|right|228px|thumb|"When push comes to shove, you've gotta do what you love, even if it's not a good idea!"]]
Though a member of the [[Cybertron Elite Guard]], '''Jazz''' is a bit of an independent thinker. He's reluctant to disobey orders, but he has more of an appreciation for the finer things than his compatriots. This is evidenced in his better choice of vehicle mode disguise, a "sweet ride" drawn from Earth culture. He is a [[Cyber-Ninja Corps|Cyber-Ninja]], like [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]]. However, his training is more progressed, and instead of ninja stars he wields a pair of nunchaku. He seems to be the only one of the Elite Guard willing to learn, and fits in with the Earth team pretty well.

He is ''incredibly'' cool.

{{bigquote|Any species that can come up with a sweet ride like this can't be all bad!|Jazz digs his new [[Alternate mode|altmode]] and the humans that created it|[[The Elite Guard]]}}

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
{{Idw-tfa}}
:''Voice actor'': [[Phil LaMarr]] (English), [[Hideo Ishikawa]] (Japanese), [[Jens-Uwe Bogadtke]] (German), [[Gabriele Calindri]] (Italian), [[Abel Musa]] (Latin American Spanish)

[[Image:Freaked jazz-1.jpg|left|180px|thumb|Booga booga!]]
Jazz accompanied [[Supreme Commander]] [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] and [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] to [[Earth]] to retrieve [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]]'s crew and the [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]]. When Magnus ordered Jazz to activate a [[force field]] around [[Steelhaven (Animated)|their ship]] to prevent organic contamination from the [[Human|natives]], Jazz expressed interest in getting a closer look at them. This prompted Sentinel Prime to warn Jazz that the organics would eventually spit acidic goo that would melt through his body armor and destroy vital [[Circuits|circuitry]]. Jazz was...less willing to meet the organics after that.

[[Image:Jazzanimatedaltmode.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Suddenly, Bumblebee's less popular.]]
When [[Sari Sumdac]] managed to sneak aboard their ship, he tried to send her out without provoking her. When she realized that Jazz was afraid of her, she tried to scare him. After [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] explained that humans were harmless (and [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] explained that Sentinel Prime was a jerk), Jazz accompanied the Autobots to a Sumdac manufacturing plant that was going haywire. Jazz and Prowl managed to keep the AllSpark-powered [[police drone]]s away from Sari and Optimus long enough for Sari to shut down the assembly line. He and Prowl traded several martial arts-centered quips throughout the battle, talking about [[Metallikato]] moves like the "[[Five Servos of Doom]]" attack. {{storylink|The Elite Guard}}

When Ultra Magnus started to receive reports of [[Decepticon]] uprisings at the rim of the galaxy, Jazz commented that it was probably because they'd "got wind" that [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] was still online.

[[Image:Sentinel vs Optimus%2C with Jazz in the middle.jpg|left|180px|thumb|"Right now, we need to stop fighting each other and start fighting the bad guy. Dig?"]]
Later, Jazz noticed a spike in AllSpark energy, and Ultra Magnus took him to investigate, leaving Sentinel Prime to watch Optimus Prime. Their combined attempt to remove the "SmallSpark", which [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] had booby-trapped, failed, and they were blown off the train in which it was embedded. Optimus and his crew, with the help of Sari and the [[AllSpark Key]], successfully and safely removed the AllSpark fragment, but Jazz could only watch as they received a dressing-down from Ultra Magnus for becoming involved. Then Starscream himself crashed to Earth, courtesy of Megatron's cannon, and knocked out Magnus. Jazz turned to Sentinel for orders, but the panicking Guardsbot was unable to think of anything. Optimus took over, directing his crew and Sari to various tasks and himself, Jazz and Sentinel to take down Starscream—although Jazz needed to talk down the posturing pair of [[Prime (rank)|Primes]] before they could get to fighting the bad guy.

His nunchaku proved ineffective, however, and he was swiftly knocked out, leaving Optimus to save the day again. Jazz later escorted Optimus's crew in taking the [[Stasis lock|stasis-locked]] and gagged Starscream to be imprisoned in the Elite Guard's ship, before the three Guardsbots and their ship departed, leaving Optimus and his crew to deal with the remaining Decepticons on Earth. {{storylink|Mission Accomplished}}

Jazz was present as Starscream escaped the Elite Guard ship. {{storylink|A Fistful of Energon}}

''When Ultra Magnus decided to begin [[Safeguard (Animated)|Project Safeguard]], Jazz and Sentinel voiced dissent, stating that Autobots don't fly (their cautions went unheeded, however, and it was in the process of downloading the captive Starscream's [[CNA|flight protocols]] for this project that the Decepticon escaped). Jazz's discomfort only worsened when he saw [[Jetfire (Animated)|Jetfire]] and [[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]]. He was soon assigned to train them. While taking them on in battle to gauge their abilities, Jazz seemingly won quite quickly, but as soon as he turned his back, the twins defeated him with ease. Later, he was observing the twins in simulated training when [[Perceptor (Animated)|Perceptor]] tried putting Starscream's coding into the program. The Starscream code took over, trapping the twins and preventing Jazz and Sentinel from disconnecting them. They were powerless to help, and the twins had to save themselves by discovering the ability to merge into Safeguard. {{storylink|First (and Second) in Flight}}''

Jazz was still on board the Elite Guard ship, along with Ultra Magnus and Sentinel, during the galactic battles with the Decepticon rebels when they received a transmission from [[Rodimus Prime (Animated)|Rodimus]] requesting back-up. Jazz had told him to hold on a little longer, but by the time the Elite Guard had arrived, [[Team Chaar]] had already left, albeit on [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron's]] orders. {{storylink|TransWarped}}

[[Shockwave (Animated)|Longarm Prime]] later sent Jazz, accompanied by Sentinel, Jetfire, and Jetstorm, to go after the supposed traitor [[Wasp]]. However, Wasp had retreated to Earth, much to Longarm's dismay, as he had ordered all contact with that planet be filtered through him. Despite this, Jazz and the others still went after the traitor. They found Optimus Prime's crew, who revealed that Longarm was really Shockwave, a Decepticon double-agent, and that Wasp had been innocent the whole time. Despite this, Sentinel Prime still wanted Wasp brought in, but the crazed Autobot got away. {{storylink|Where Is Thy Sting?}}

Sentinel later succeeded in capturing [[Swindle (Animated)|Swindle]], [[Sunstorm (Animated)|Sunstorm]], [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]], and [[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]], leaving [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] to suspect he was getting help. Jazz had this suspicion, too, and they followed Sentinel to find that he was bargaining with [[Lockdown (Animated)|a double-dealing, bounty-hunting scum]]. Jazz and the others defeated Lockdown, along with [[Ramjet (Animated)|another Decepticon fugitive]]. While they captured the clone, Lockdown escaped. Jazz later became impressed by Prowl's new armor, especially [[Yoketron]]'s helmet. {{storylink|Five Servos of Doom}}

When Sentinel realised he was needed on Cybertron, the Elite Guard packed up and headed for home. Jazz was disappointed, as he had enjoyed being on Earth. {{storylink|Predacons Rising}}

On the return trip, Jazz and Sentinel were contacted by the Autobot council, who wished to discuss Sentinel's temporary promotion. Sentinel let this go to his head and told Jazz to refer to him as "Commander". He also directed Jazz to take them through an unstable ion storm, despite Jazz's protests. As Jazz piloted them in, energy from the storm somehow restored Swindle, who had been stuck in his [[Alternate mode|alt mode]]. Swindle instigated a prison break, releasing the other Decepticons, and lead them in an attack on the Elite Guard. Jazz requested that Sentinel contact Cybertron for help, but fearing repercussions for allowing the escape to happen on his watch, Sentinel sent a coded message to Optimus instead. Appearing unexpectedly through a transwarp link within Swindle's chest, Optimus Prime was able to free the Elite Guard. He then made sure the Decepticons could hear him order Jazz to modify the ship's decontamination chamber to freeze its occupants. However, he simultaneously gave Jazz a secret coded order to set up the chamber to freeze those ''outside'' of it. Thus, when the Decepticons eventually recaptured the Autobots and placed them in the chamber, it backfired, allowing the Autobots to escape and recapture all the prisoners but Swindle and Lugnut. {{storylink|Decepticon Air}}

Having returned to Cybertron, Jazz began chafing under Sentinel Magnus's militant approach. When [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] and [[Captain Fanzone]] accidentally transwarped to Cybertron, Jazz followed orders and helped capture them. However, once they escaped, he tailed them and eventually helped them by granting them access to the Elite Guard infirmary so they could search for [[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]]. After battling [[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]], Ratchet was able to recapture the [[Magnus Hammer]], but refused to give it to Sentinel. Instead, he took it with him back to Earth, intent on keeping it from Sentinel and protecting it for Ultra Magnus. Sentinel started to follow, but Jazz volunteered to go instead. Upon his arrival on Earth, Jazz informed Ratchet that he'd had enough of Sentinel and promptly volunteered his services to the Earthbound Autobots. {{storylink|This Is Why I Hate Machines}}

Jazz was mighty impressed with Prowl's mastery of [[processor-over-matter]], though his query regarding why Prowl never finished his training went unanswered. When Prowl volunteered to go to the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]] to check up on Megatron's activities, Jazz insisted he stay on Earth to complete his Cyber-Ninja training. The pair retired to some woods, where, with Jazz's encouragement, Prowl was able to reconstitute a fragment of the AllSpark solely through his mental prowess. They returned to base in time to see three [[Lugnut Supreme]]s dropping on the city. {{storylink|Endgame, Part I}}

As Optimus Prime attacked the Omega clones with the Magnus Hammer, Jazz helped the rest of the Autobots protect the humans. He later aided Prowl in attacking the two remaining Lugnut Supremes, though to little effect, and the pair retired to Sumdac Tower to work on reconstituting the AllSpark using processor-over-matter. Pooling their processors, they were able to reassemble most of the AllSpark from the scattered fragments, but not enough to protect the city. Prowl donated his own spark, despite Jazz's protest, to complete the AllSpark, and Jazz caught his comrade's lifeless body. Though the city was subsequently saved through their actions and the Autobots were celebratory, Jazz had to break the bad news. With the Earth saved, Jazz returned to Cybertron with the Autobots and received a triumphant welcome. {{storylink|Endgame, Part II}}

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===''The Cool'' comic===

Jazz and the Elite Guard journeyed to Earth in order to extract an explanation from Optimus Prime regarding why he had yet to return to Cybertron with his crew. {{storylink|The Cool issue 5}}

==Toys==
===Animated===
[[Image:Animated jazz both mode1.JPG|right|300px|thumb|Enter the Dragon Wagon]]
*'''Autobot Jazz''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TA-29'''
**''Accessories'': 2 side-pipe "energy chucks"

: Part of the third wave of ''[[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Animated]]'' deluxes, Jazz transforms into a car that looks like a cross between [[Jazz (G1)|his Generation 1 counterpart]] and a 1950s Corvette. The toy features translucent blue [[light-piping]] for its visor, as well as translucent blue headlights. Curiously, all the toy's vehicle mode windows are ''also'' cast from this plastic, but tinted black by [[Paint operation|paint applications]]. The toy's exhaust pipes can be removed from its forearms, and are connected by a short length of string to serve as nunchaku-style "energy chucks" weapons. They can also be assembled into claw-like weapons.

: Also, in vehicle mode, if you flip the trunk open and leave it that way, Jazz will appear to have spoilers, similar to his [[Jazz (G1)|G1 counterpart]]'s vehicle mode.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/Jazz/jazz.htm Jazz at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:Animated-toy_FreewayJazz.jpg|right|300px|thumb|What's crackin', little ninjas?]]
*'''Freeway Jazz''' (Deluxe, 2009)
**''Accessories'': 2 side-pipe "energy chucks"

: Freeway Jazz is a [[redeco]] of Deluxe Autobot Jazz in [[Jazz (Movie)|movie]]-inspired colors.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/FreewayJazz/jazz.htm Freeway Jazz at TFU.info]

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[[Image:BumperBattlers Jazz toy.JPG|right|300px|thumb|Comes with the world's shortest jump rope.]]
*'''Autobot Jazz''' (Bumper Battler, 2008)

:Jazz is part of the second wave of [[Bumper Battlers]]. Pressing on the vehicle mode's front bumper activates electronic noises and pops up the roof, revealing a relief of Jazz's robot form. Pressing on the Autobot faction symbol on the hood activates a random string of sound effects and voice samples from the samples available on the toy's sound chip.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/BBJazz/jazz.htm Bumper Battlers Jazz at TFU.info]
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[[Image:Animated_StealthNinjaJazz_bumperbattler.jpg|thumb|200px|Because nothing says "stealth" like silver paint and bright blue pinstriping.]]
*'''Stealth Ninja Jazz''' (Bumper Battler, 2009)

: A silver redeco of Bumper Battlers Jazz. Alongside [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Workzone Bulkhead]], it saw release in Australian stores, but whether it will ever arrive in North America is unknown.
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==Notes==
* ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac|The Allspark Almanac]]'' identifies his weapons as "laser nunchako," as did his [[character model]] sheet.
* ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac Volume 2|The Allspark Almanac Volume 2]]'' revealed that, had a fourth season of ''Animated'' gone into production, Jazz was to become part of the main cast, replacing Prowl, just as [[Ironhide (Animated)|Ironhide]] was to take [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead's]] place.

[[Category:Animated Autobots]]
[[Category:Elite Guard]]
[[Category:Ninjas]]

Jazz (Animated)

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Bobcat2022: Since Starscream's escape in "Fistful of Energon" takes place on page 3 of the Safeguard comic, moved the comic summary to the correct point in the cartoon timeline.

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:''Jazz is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:TFA Jazz promoimage.JPG|right|228px|thumb|"When push comes to shove, you've gotta do what you love, even if it's not a good idea!"]]
Though a member of the [[Cybertron Elite Guard]], '''Jazz''' is a bit of an independent thinker. He's reluctant to disobey orders, but he has more of an appreciation for the finer things than his compatriots. This is evidenced in his better choice of vehicle mode disguise, a "sweet ride" drawn from Earth culture. He is a [[Cyber-Ninja Corps|Cyber-Ninja]], like [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]]. However, his training is more progressed, and instead of ninja stars he wields a pair of nunchaku. He seems to be the only one of the Elite Guard willing to learn, and fits in with the Earth team pretty well.

He is ''incredibly'' cool.

{{bigquote|Any species that can come up with a sweet ride like this can't be all bad!|Jazz digs his new [[Alternate mode|altmode]] and the humans that created it|[[The Elite Guard]]}}

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
{{Idw-tfa}}
:''Voice actor'': [[Phil LaMarr]] (English), [[Hideo Ishikawa]] (Japanese), [[Jens-Uwe Bogadtke]] (German), [[Gabriele Calindri]] (Italian), [[Abel Musa]] (Latin American Spanish)

[[Image:Freaked jazz-1.jpg|left|180px|thumb|Booga booga!]]
Jazz accompanied [[Supreme Commander]] [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] and [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] to [[Earth]] to retrieve [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]]'s crew and the [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]]. When Magnus ordered Jazz to activate a [[force field]] around [[Steelhaven (Animated)|their ship]] to prevent organic contamination from the [[Human|natives]], Jazz expressed interest in getting a closer look at them. This prompted Sentinel Prime to warn Jazz that the organics would eventually spit acidic goo that would melt through his body armor and destroy vital [[Circuits|circuitry]]. Jazz was...less willing to meet the organics after that.

[[Image:Jazzanimatedaltmode.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Suddenly, Bumblebee's less popular.]]
When [[Sari Sumdac]] managed to sneak aboard their ship, he tried to send her out without provoking her. When she realized that Jazz was afraid of her, she tried to scare him. After [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] explained that humans were harmless (and [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] explained that Sentinel Prime was a jerk), Jazz accompanied the Autobots to a Sumdac manufacturing plant that was going haywire. Jazz and Prowl managed to keep the AllSpark-powered [[police drone]]s away from Sari and Optimus long enough for Sari to shut down the assembly line. He and Prowl traded several martial arts-centered quips throughout the battle, talking about [[Metallikato]] moves like the "[[Five Servos of Doom]]" attack. {{storylink|The Elite Guard}}

When Ultra Magnus started to receive reports of [[Decepticon]] uprisings at the rim of the galaxy, Jazz commented that it was probably because they'd "got wind" that [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] was still online.

[[Image:Sentinel vs Optimus%2C with Jazz in the middle.jpg|left|180px|thumb|"Right now, we need to stop fighting each other and start fighting the bad guy. Dig?"]]
Later, Jazz noticed a spike in AllSpark energy, and Ultra Magnus took him to investigate, leaving Sentinel Prime to watch Optimus Prime. Their combined attempt to remove the "SmallSpark", which [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] had booby-trapped, failed, and they were blown off the train in which it was embedded. Optimus and his crew, with the help of Sari and the [[AllSpark Key]], successfully and safely removed the AllSpark fragment, but Jazz could only watch as they received a dressing-down from Ultra Magnus for becoming involved. Then Starscream himself crashed to Earth, courtesy of Megatron's cannon, and knocked out Magnus. Jazz turned to Sentinel for orders, but the panicking Guardsbot was unable to think of anything. Optimus took over, directing his crew and Sari to various tasks and himself, Jazz and Sentinel to take down Starscream—although Jazz needed to talk down the posturing pair of [[Prime (rank)|Primes]] before they could get to fighting the bad guy.

His nunchaku proved ineffective, however, and he was swiftly knocked out, leaving Optimus to save the day again. Jazz later escorted Optimus's crew in taking the [[Stasis lock|stasis-locked]] and gagged Starscream to be imprisoned in the Elite Guard's ship, before the three Guardsbots and their ship departed, leaving Optimus and his crew to deal with the remaining Decepticons on Earth. {{storylink|Mission Accomplished}}

Jazz was present as Starscream escaped the Elite Guard ship. {{storylink|A Fistful of Energon}}

''When the Ultra Magnus decided to begin [[Safeguard (Animated)|Project Safeguard]], Jazz and Sentinel voiced dissent, stating that Autobots don't fly. Their cautions went unheeded, however, and it was in the process of downloading the captive Starscream's [[CNA|flight protocols]] for this project that the Decepticon seized the opportunity to escape. Jazz's discomfort only worsened when he saw [[Jetfire (Animated)|Jetfire]] and [[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]]. He was soon assigned to train them. While taking them on in battle to gauge their abilities, Jazz seemingly won quite quickly, but as soon as he turned his back, the twins defeated him with ease. Later, he was observing the twins in simulated training when [[Perceptor (Animated)|Perceptor]] tried putting Starscream's coding into the program. The Starscream code took over, trapping the twins and preventing Jazz and Sentinel from disconnecting them. They were powerless to help, and the twins had to save themselves by discovering the ability to merge into Safeguard. {{storylink|First (and Second) in Flight}}''

Jazz was still on board the Elite Guard ship, along with Ultra Magnus and Sentinel, during the galactic battles with the Decepticon rebels when they received a transmission from [[Rodimus Prime (Animated)|Rodimus]] requesting back-up. Jazz had told him to hold on a little longer, but by the time the Elite Guard had arrived, [[Team Chaar]] had already left, albeit on [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron's]] orders. {{storylink|TransWarped}}

[[Shockwave (Animated)|Longarm Prime]] later sent Jazz, accompanied by Sentinel, Jetfire, and Jetstorm, to go after the supposed traitor [[Wasp]]. However, Wasp had retreated to Earth, much to Longarm's dismay, as he had ordered all contact with that planet be filtered through him. Despite this, Jazz and the others still went after the traitor. They found Optimus Prime's crew, who revealed that Longarm was really Shockwave, a Decepticon double-agent, and that Wasp had been innocent the whole time. Despite this, Sentinel Prime still wanted Wasp brought in, but the crazed Autobot got away. {{storylink|Where Is Thy Sting?}}

Sentinel later succeeded in capturing [[Swindle (Animated)|Swindle]], [[Sunstorm (Animated)|Sunstorm]], [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]], and [[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]], leaving [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] to suspect he was getting help. Jazz had this suspicion, too, and they followed Sentinel to find that he was bargaining with [[Lockdown (Animated)|a double-dealing, bounty-hunting scum]]. Jazz and the others defeated Lockdown, along with [[Ramjet (Animated)|another Decepticon fugitive]]. While they captured the clone, Lockdown escaped. Jazz later became impressed by Prowl's new armor, especially [[Yoketron]]'s helmet. {{storylink|Five Servos of Doom}}

When Sentinel realised he was needed on Cybertron, the Elite Guard packed up and headed for home. Jazz was disappointed, as he had enjoyed being on Earth. {{storylink|Predacons Rising}}

On the return trip, Jazz and Sentinel were contacted by the Autobot council, who wished to discuss Sentinel's temporary promotion. Sentinel let this go to his head and told Jazz to refer to him as "Commander". He also directed Jazz to take them through an unstable ion storm, despite Jazz's protests. As Jazz piloted them in, energy from the storm somehow restored Swindle, who had been stuck in his [[Alternate mode|alt mode]]. Swindle instigated a prison break, releasing the other Decepticons, and lead them in an attack on the Elite Guard. Jazz requested that Sentinel contact Cybertron for help, but fearing repercussions for allowing the escape to happen on his watch, Sentinel sent a coded message to Optimus instead. Appearing unexpectedly through a transwarp link within Swindle's chest, Optimus Prime was able to free the Elite Guard. He then made sure the Decepticons could hear him order Jazz to modify the ship's decontamination chamber to freeze its occupants. However, he simultaneously gave Jazz a secret coded order to set up the chamber to freeze those ''outside'' of it. Thus, when the Decepticons eventually recaptured the Autobots and placed them in the chamber, it backfired, allowing the Autobots to escape and recapture all the prisoners but Swindle and Lugnut. {{storylink|Decepticon Air}}

Having returned to Cybertron, Jazz began chafing under Sentinel Magnus's militant approach. When [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] and [[Captain Fanzone]] accidentally transwarped to Cybertron, Jazz followed orders and helped capture them. However, once they escaped, he tailed them and eventually helped them by granting them access to the Elite Guard infirmary so they could search for [[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]]. After battling [[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]], Ratchet was able to recapture the [[Magnus Hammer]], but refused to give it to Sentinel. Instead, he took it with him back to Earth, intent on keeping it from Sentinel and protecting it for Ultra Magnus. Sentinel started to follow, but Jazz volunteered to go instead. Upon his arrival on Earth, Jazz informed Ratchet that he'd had enough of Sentinel and promptly volunteered his services to the Earthbound Autobots. {{storylink|This Is Why I Hate Machines}}

Jazz was mighty impressed with Prowl's mastery of [[processor-over-matter]], though his query regarding why Prowl never finished his training went unanswered. When Prowl volunteered to go to the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]] to check up on Megatron's activities, Jazz insisted he stay on Earth to complete his Cyber-Ninja training. The pair retired to some woods, where, with Jazz's encouragement, Prowl was able to reconstitute a fragment of the AllSpark solely through his mental prowess. They returned to base in time to see three [[Lugnut Supreme]]s dropping on the city. {{storylink|Endgame, Part I}}

As Optimus Prime attacked the Omega clones with the Magnus Hammer, Jazz helped the rest of the Autobots protect the humans. He later aided Prowl in attacking the two remaining Lugnut Supremes, though to little effect, and the pair retired to Sumdac Tower to work on reconstituting the AllSpark using processor-over-matter. Pooling their processors, they were able to reassemble most of the AllSpark from the scattered fragments, but not enough to protect the city. Prowl donated his own spark, despite Jazz's protest, to complete the AllSpark, and Jazz caught his comrade's lifeless body. Though the city was subsequently saved through their actions and the Autobots were celebratory, Jazz had to break the bad news. With the Earth saved, Jazz returned to Cybertron with the Autobots and received a triumphant welcome. {{storylink|Endgame, Part II}}

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===''The Cool'' comic===

Jazz and the Elite Guard journeyed to Earth in order to extract an explanation from Optimus Prime regarding why he had yet to return to Cybertron with his crew. {{storylink|The Cool issue 5}}

==Toys==
===Animated===
[[Image:Animated jazz both mode1.JPG|right|300px|thumb|Enter the Dragon Wagon]]
*'''Autobot Jazz''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TA-29'''
**''Accessories'': 2 side-pipe "energy chucks"

: Part of the third wave of ''[[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Animated]]'' deluxes, Jazz transforms into a car that looks like a cross between [[Jazz (G1)|his Generation 1 counterpart]] and a 1950s Corvette. The toy features translucent blue [[light-piping]] for its visor, as well as translucent blue headlights. Curiously, all the toy's vehicle mode windows are ''also'' cast from this plastic, but tinted black by [[Paint operation|paint applications]]. The toy's exhaust pipes can be removed from its forearms, and are connected by a short length of string to serve as nunchaku-style "energy chucks" weapons. They can also be assembled into claw-like weapons.

: Also, in vehicle mode, if you flip the trunk open and leave it that way, Jazz will appear to have spoilers, similar to his [[Jazz (G1)|G1 counterpart]]'s vehicle mode.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/Jazz/jazz.htm Jazz at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:Animated-toy_FreewayJazz.jpg|right|300px|thumb|What's crackin', little ninjas?]]
*'''Freeway Jazz''' (Deluxe, 2009)
**''Accessories'': 2 side-pipe "energy chucks"

: Freeway Jazz is a [[redeco]] of Deluxe Autobot Jazz in [[Jazz (Movie)|movie]]-inspired colors.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/FreewayJazz/jazz.htm Freeway Jazz at TFU.info]

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[[Image:BumperBattlers Jazz toy.JPG|right|300px|thumb|Comes with the world's shortest jump rope.]]
*'''Autobot Jazz''' (Bumper Battler, 2008)

:Jazz is part of the second wave of [[Bumper Battlers]]. Pressing on the vehicle mode's front bumper activates electronic noises and pops up the roof, revealing a relief of Jazz's robot form. Pressing on the Autobot faction symbol on the hood activates a random string of sound effects and voice samples from the samples available on the toy's sound chip.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/BBJazz/jazz.htm Bumper Battlers Jazz at TFU.info]
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[[Image:Animated_StealthNinjaJazz_bumperbattler.jpg|thumb|200px|Because nothing says "stealth" like silver paint and bright blue pinstriping.]]
*'''Stealth Ninja Jazz''' (Bumper Battler, 2009)

: A silver redeco of Bumper Battlers Jazz. Alongside [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Workzone Bulkhead]], it saw release in Australian stores, but whether it will ever arrive in North America is unknown.
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==Notes==
* ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac|The Allspark Almanac]]'' identifies his weapons as "laser nunchako," as did his [[character model]] sheet.
* ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac Volume 2|The Allspark Almanac Volume 2]]'' revealed that, had a fourth season of ''Animated'' gone into production, Jazz was to become part of the main cast, replacing Prowl, just as [[Ironhide (Animated)|Ironhide]] was to take [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead's]] place.

[[Category:Animated Autobots]]
[[Category:Elite Guard]]
[[Category:Ninjas]]

User:Bobcat2022

2010-12-17T16:51:26Z

Bobcat2022:

This guy likes grammar and giant robots. Back in the day, he read all fifty-four [[Animorphs (toyline)|Animorphs]] books (plus the tie-ins/spin-offs), even though the TV show made him sad (he still has a [[Tobias]] deluxe-class packed away somewhere, and though he acknowledges that the toyline as a whole was... sub-optimal, he's yet to encounter a better winged-humanoid action figure).

He also can't look at [[Ransack (Universe 2008)|Ransack]], [[Stockade (Universe 2008)|Stockade]], and [[Windrazor (Universe)|Windrazor]]– a red T-Rex, a blue Triceratops, and a pink Pterodactyl– without thinking "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zords_in_Mighty_Morphin_Power_Rangers#Dinozords Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers]". Just can't do it.

User:Bobcat2022

2010-12-17T16:44:24Z

Bobcat2022:

This guy likes grammar and giant robots.

He also can't look at [[Ransack (Universe 2008)|Ransack]], [[Stockade (Universe 2008)|Stockade]], and [[Windrazor (Universe)|Windrazor]]– a red T-Rex, a blue Triceratops, and a pink Pterodactyl– without thinking "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zords_in_Mighty_Morphin_Power_Rangers#Dinozords Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers]". Just can't do it.

User:Bobcat2022

2010-12-17T03:12:05Z

Bobcat2022:

User talk:Bobcat2022

2010-12-17T03:10:05Z

Bobcat2022:

Help:Example character article

2010-12-17T03:04:53Z

Bobcat2022: Edited example of past tense/present tense for clarity

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:''Exemplar-Kun is an [[Autobot]] and sometimes [[Sith]] from the [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[Continuity family|continuity family]].''

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'''Exemplar-Kun''' (also sometimes '''Darth Primal''') is a resolute crusader for old-fashioned Autobot Values, called by many "the second coming of [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]." He wades into battle bellowing the [[Ancient Autobot]] battle cry "Collect Them All!" and firing his corrosive "Sixshot" blasters with reckless abandon, a one-man wrecking crew who quotes chapter-and-verse from the Covenant of Primus as he works.

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In truth, though Exemplar-Kun's kernel includes portions of Sentinel's legendary [[Battle Protocol|Battle Protocols]], he secretly loathes the violence of his duties as [[Captimus Primus]]<ref>This title comes from a Dark Horse letters column, responding to a question about Darth Primal.</ref> and wishes he could return to a simple life as a digital sharecropper on the potato farm where he was created. In order to hide his disillusionment, Exemplar-Kun has adopted a jokester's personality, often making horrible puns.

[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] is appalled by Exemplar-Kun's grisly habit of painting "[[Robot Point|Robot Points]]" on his body to show how many souls he has collected for [[Primus]], but there is no arguing with his strength in battle. Exemplar-Kun often tells others that his strength is as the strength of ten "because his heart is pure," but the truth is that the doubts which plague him are often crippling, leaving him unwilling even to activate and face the day unless there is an immediate crisis demanding his attention.

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:''Japanese name:'' '''Scar Cowboy'''
:''Spanish name:'' '''Gaucho del Oucho'''
:''Hungarian name:'' '''Spider-man'''<ref>This is part of a longstanding trademark conflict relating to the ''Star Wars'' toys in Hungary.</ref>
:''Italian name:'' '''Robo di Canto'''

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==Origin==
Exemplar-Kun was originally an anonymous, generic Autobot soldier appearing in the ''Armada'' episode "Platoon". The episode summary from the Japanese ''Micron Legend'' DVD (apparently taken with his two-gun style) declared he was the base's commander and dubbed him "Scar Cowboy". US Fan Club material subsequently re-christened him "Exemplar-Kun"<ref>The "My First Transformers" were all given the affectionate/diminutive suffix "-kun" in Japan. In English, it apparently sounds badass rather than adorable.</ref> and gave him a (decidedly un-cowboylike) crusader backstory relating to the [[First Transformers]] line.

A year later, Dark Horse picked up the character for an 8-page "Crossovers" story one-shot, apparently because the character's name resembled a historical Sith Lord's. He was portrayed here as an embittered samurai and killed.

Meanwhile Takara's [[World of the Transformers]] website has described the character as a "wisecracking cowboy."

(It's kinda a mess.)

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==Fiction==
===Unicron Trilogy===
====''Armada'' cartoon continuity====
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Exemplar-Kun commanded the defense of the Autobot power station on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. {{storylink|Help:Example episode article|Platoon}}

Exemplar-Kun discovered the evil Decepticon scientist [[Cy-Kill (Armada)|Psi-Kill]]'s plan to generate a [[Black hole|black hole]] to swallow the Autobot ship [[Axalon (Armada)|''Axalon'']] before it reached Cybertron. He led a strike force into Psi-Kill's ''Keep Twisting'', where he fought [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]] and suffered crippling injuries. {{storylink|Help:Example episode article|There Shall Come...a Warrior!}}

Exemplar-Kun subsequently retired back to the farm in [[Uraya]] where he was built.

====''Star Wars: Crossovers'' one-shot comic====
Exemplar-Kun was selected for the [[Voyager Project]] and became stranded in the [[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Warriors]] universe. Initially mistaken for a remnant of the [[Battle Droid|droid army]] plaguing the galaxy, Exemplar-Kun was shot down over [[wikipedia:Dantooine| Dantooine]]. [[Darth Vader|Anakin Skywalker]] used the power of the [[Force]] to reformat him as a TIE Advanced fighter to help him on his mission, but tension grew between them when [[Obi-Wan Kenobi|Anakin's master]] named this strange living machine "Darth Primal", and in the end, Exemplar-Kun was destroyed by his companion. {{storylink|Help:Example comic issue article|Code of Legacy}}

==Toys==
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[[Image:SWTIE Advanced.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Blessed be the TIEs that bind...]]
*'''Darth Vader TIE Advanced Fighter''' ("Deluxe", 2006)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''SW-01'''
**''Accessories'': 2 Lightsaber/missiles

:[[Darth Vader]]'s mecha transforms into a [[TIE Fighter|TIE Advanced Starfighter]], featuring twin spring-loaded missile launchers. These missiles become "lightsaber" melee weapons for the robot mode. One of the vehicle mode's solar panel arrays forms a "cape" for the robot mode, the other a large deflector shield. Like all ''Star Wars Transformers'' toys, it comes with a tiny mini-figure of its pilot.

:A 2008 [[Attacktix]] comic-book [[Retcon|retroactively]] declared this toy to represent Darth Primal.

: This mold was also used to make [[Steve]].

::*''Link to a toy gallery''

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*'''Duel of the Force Guys''' (Multi-pack, 2007)
**''Accessories'': 2 Lightsaber/missiles

: Darth Vader's TIE Advanced was also available in a Wal-Mart [[Exclusive|exclusive]] multi-pack with a blue version of [[Obi-Wan Kenobi#Multipack|Obi-Wan Kenobi]]'s [[wikia:starwars:Delta-7_Aethersprite-class_light_interceptor|Jedi Starfighter]]. This version of Vader's TIE uses brighter "gray" plastics than the single-pack release.

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==Notes==
* Exemplar-Kun has at least 3 canon personalities.
* The [[Mini-Con]] scout [[Jack (Cybertron)|Shane]] is generally believed to be Exemplar-Kun's partner (though this has never been explicitly established.) His character seems to be based on the Brad Jorgensen character from the John Wayne film ''The Searchers'', reinforcing the confusingly inconsistent cowboy motif.

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==Footnotes==
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==External Links==
* Link to a translation of DVD-summaries

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:'''Note:''' ''While all of the specific examples of "weird things" presented here are fictional, there is no strange circumstance in this article which hasn't actually ''happened'' at one point or another. (Admittedly, not all at once like this.)''}}

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:''Exemplar-Kun is an [[Autobot]] and sometimes [[Sith]] from the [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[Continuity family|continuity family]].''

<div style="float:right;z-index: 2;width:240px;position:relative;">[[Image:Gort MTMTE.jpg|right|214px|thumb|"Your death brings me no pleasure and only limited amusement."]]<br style="clear:both;" />
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'''Exemplar-Kun''' (also sometimes '''Darth Primal''') is a resolute crusader for old-fashioned Autobot Values, called by many "the second coming of [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]." He wades into battle bellowing the [[Ancient Autobot]] battle cry "Collect Them All!" and firing his corrosive "Sixshot" blasters with reckless abandon, a one-man wrecking crew who quotes chapter-and-verse from the Covenant of Primus as he works.

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In truth, though Exemplar-Kun's kernel includes portions of Sentinel's legendary [[Battle Protocol|Battle Protocols]], he secretly loathes the violence of his duties as [[Captimus Primus]]<ref>This title comes from a Dark Horse letters column, responding to a question about Darth Primal.</ref> and wishes he could return to a simple life as a digital sharecropper on the potato farm where he was created. In order to hide his disillusionment, Exemplar-Kun has adopted a jokester's personality, often making horrible puns.

[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] is appalled by Exemplar-Kun's grisly habit of painting "[[Robot Point|Robot Points]]" on his body to show how many souls he has collected for [[Primus]], but there is no arguing with his strength in battle. Exemplar-Kun often tells others that his strength is as the strength of ten "because his heart is pure," but the truth is that the doubts which plague him are often crippling, leaving him unwilling even to activate and face the day unless there is an immediate crisis demanding his attention.

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{{quote|'In the spark of an enemy, there will be salvation, and in the darkest hour, there will be a light.' As it was said in the Writings of Furman, so shall it come to pass today, as we are that light, and the enemy is upon us!|Exemplar-Kun rallies the troops with sacred quotes from the Covenant of Primus|"[[Help:Example episode article|Platoon]]"}}
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:''Japanese name:'' '''Scar Cowboy'''
:''Spanish name:'' '''Gaucho del Oucho'''
:''Hungarian name:'' '''Spider-man'''<ref>This is part of a longstanding trademark conflict relating to the ''Star Wars'' toys in Hungary.</ref>
:''Italian name:'' '''Robo di Canto'''

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==Origin==
Exemplar-Kun was originally an anonymous, generic Autobot soldier appearing in the ''Armada'' episode "Platoon". The episode summary from the Japanese ''Micron Legend'' DVD (apparently taken with his two-gun style) declared he was the base's commander and dubbed him "Scar Cowboy". US Fan Club material subsequently re-christened him "Exemplar-Kun"<ref>The "My First Transformers" were all given the affectionate/diminutive suffix "-kun" in Japan. In English, it apparently sounds badass rather than adorable.</ref> and gave him a (decidedly un-cowboylike) crusader backstory relating to the [[First Transformers]] line.

A year later, Dark Horse picked up the character for an 8-page "Crossovers" story one-shot, apparently because the character's name resembled a historical Sith Lord's. He was portrayed here as an embittered samurai and killed.

Meanwhile Takara's [[World of the Transformers]] website has described the character as a "wisecracking cowboy."

(It's kinda a mess.)

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==Fiction==
===Unicron Trilogy===
====''Armada'' cartoon continuity====
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Exemplar-Kun commanded the defense of the Autobot power station on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. {{storylink|Help:Example episode article|Platoon}}

Exemplar-Kun discovered the evil Decepticon scientist [[Cy-Kill (Armada)|Psi-Kill]]'s plan to generate a [[Black hole|black hole]] to swallow the Autobot ship [[Axalon (Armada)|''Axalon'']] before it reached Cybertron. He led a strike force into Psi-Kill's ''Keep Twisting'', where he fought [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]] and suffered crippling injuries. {{storylink|Help:Example episode article|There Shall Come...a Warrior!}}

Exemplar-Kun subsequently retired back to the farm in [[Uraya]] where he was built.

====''Star Wars: Crossovers'' one-shot comic====
Exemplar-Kun was selected for the [[Voyager Project]] and became stranded in the [[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Warriors]] universe. Initially mistaken for a remnant of the [[Battle Droid|droid army]] plaguing the galaxy, Exemplar-Kun was shot down over [[wikipedia:Dantooine| Dantooine]]. [[Darth Vader|Anakin Skywalker]] used the power of the [[Force]] to reformat him as a TIE Advanced fighter to help him on his mission, but tension grew between them when [[Obi-Wan Kenobi|Anakin's master]] named this strange living machine "Darth Primal", and in the end, Exemplar-Kun was destroyed by his companion. {{storylink|Help:Example comic issue article|Code of Legacy}}

==Toys==
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[[Image:SWTIE Advanced.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Blessed be the TIEs that bind...]]
*'''Darth Vader TIE Advanced Fighter''' ("Deluxe", 2006)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''SW-01'''
**''Accessories'': 2 Lightsaber/missiles

:[[Darth Vader]]'s mecha transforms into a [[TIE Fighter|TIE Advanced Starfighter]], featuring twin spring-loaded missile launchers. These missiles become "lightsaber" melee weapons for the robot mode. One of the vehicle mode's solar panel arrays forms a "cape" for the robot mode, the other a large deflector shield. Like all ''Star Wars Transformers'' toys, it comes with a tiny mini-figure of its pilot.

:A 2008 [[Attacktix]] comic-book [[Retcon|retroactively]] declared this toy to represent Darth Primal.

: This mold was also used to make [[Steve]].

::*''Link to a toy gallery''

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*'''Duel of the Force Guys''' (Multi-pack, 2007)
**''Accessories'': 2 Lightsaber/missiles

: Darth Vader's TIE Advanced was also available in a Wal-Mart [[Exclusive|exclusive]] multi-pack with a blue version of [[Obi-Wan Kenobi#Multipack|Obi-Wan Kenobi]]'s [[wikia:starwars:Delta-7_Aethersprite-class_light_interceptor|Jedi Starfighter]]. This version of Vader's TIE uses brighter "gray" plastics than the single-pack release.

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==Notes==
* Exemplar-Kun has at least 3 canon personalities.
* The [[Mini-Con]] scout [[Jack (Cybertron)|Shane]] is generally believed to be Exemplar-Kun's partner (though this has never been explicitly established.) His character seems to be based on the Brad Jorgensen character from the John Wayne film ''The Searchers'', reinforcing the confusingly inconsistent cowboy motif.

<div style="position:relative;border:dashed 2px #999;background-color:#fff799;padding:.5em 2em;margin:.25em 3em .25em 3em;"><div style="position:absolute;left:-.75em;bottom:.15em;font-size:200%;font-weight:900;">↓</div>Footnotes sections (optional) should only be included if the article has footnotes. If all of the footnotes are source-of-information citations, this section can be renamed "References", though no one really cares if you leave it named "Footnotes".
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==Footnotes==
<references />

==External Links==
* Link to a translation of DVD-summaries

<div style="position:relative;border:dashed 2px #999;background-color:#fff799;padding:.5em 2em;margin:.25em 3em .25em 3em;"><div style="position:absolute;left:-.75em;bottom:.15em;font-size:200%;font-weight:900;">↓</div>Finally, each page should have '''categories''' assigned to it. This allows the page to be found in lists of other articles on similar subjects. Categories should be listed in alphabetical order. (Some templates automatically add categories to the front of the list. There's nothing to be done about that, so don't worry.) At the end of the article, simply add in '''[[Category: _____]]''', and the page will be placed in the relevant categories. In this example, Exemplar-Kun will have the categories...<br />
'''Armada characters, Autobots, Sith, Star Wars, Wal-Mart exclusives'''<br />
Please note that not every subgroup in existence has a category. Check to make sure you're not adding existing categories, and ask about the viability of creating a new category for certain "groups" on a Talk page rather than just making one.

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[[Category:Help]]

User:Bobcat2022

2010-12-17T02:52:25Z

Bobcat2022:

Can't look at [[Ransack (Universe 2008)|Ransack]], [[Stockade (Universe 2008)|Stockade]], and [[Windrazor (Universe)|Windrazor]]– a red T-Rex, a blue Triceratops, and a pink Pterodactyl– without thinking "Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers". Just can't do it.

Help:Ignore all standards

2010-12-17T01:54:50Z

Bobcat2022: /* Background */ "fall back on to guidelines" changed to "fall back on as guidelines" ("to" changed to "as")

'''Ignore all standards''' is the official {{SITENAME_SHORT}} policy of... ignoring policies.

Loosely based on Wikipedia's "[[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Ignore_all_rules|Ignore all Rules]]" <small>(adapted since {{SITENAME_SHORT}} tends to favor precedent and consensus rather than written rules)</small> '''Ignore all standards''' broadly states; <tt>"In situations where the standards intended to ''prevent'' confusion would instead ''contribute'' to it, common sense should rule."</tt>

==Background==
On a website like [[wikipedia:Main_Page|Wikipedia]], which has ''millions'' of pages, there are at least 50 of everything, and plenty of examples to fall back on as guidelines. Conversely, while {{SITENAME_SHORT}} is currently<sup>([[May 3]], 2009)</sup> approaching ten thousand pages, we still regularly run into oddball one-off format-busting properties. '''Example:''' The Transformers theatrical films in [[The Transformers: The Movie|1986]], [[Beast Wars Special Super Lifeform Transformers|1998]] and [[Transformers (2007)|2007]] are all formatted differently, being part of an animated series, an [[wikipedia:Original video animation|OAV]] and a standalone feature, respectively.

==What "ignore all standards" is not==
Ignore all standards is ''not'' a [[wiktionary:carte_blanche|carte blanche]] to ignore or make-up standards on the spot. Its purpose is to allow users flexibility to ''respond'' to circumstances where existing standards are inadequate, ''not'' the promotion of anarchy.

Standards are ''good''; {{SITENAME_SHORT}} ''likes'' standards. We're just not under the illusion that standards are ''perfect''.

[[Category:Help]]

MediaWiki:Policies

2010-12-16T22:51:16Z

Bobcat2022: /* Multiple user names */ removed grammatically-incorrect redundancy in phrase "pretending to be another person who supports support your own point of view"

{{officialpolicy}}

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=={{SITENAME}} is not Wikipedia==
===No Wikipedia Articles===
'''{{SITENAME}}''''s users have decided against using ''Transformers'' articles from [[Wikipedia:|Wikipedia]]. There are several reasons.

# '''Audience''' — Wikipedia is general ''Transformers'' information for people interested in Transformers in a general way. {{SITENAME}} is incredibly specific, detailed and comprehensive ''Transformers'' information for fans and creators who love to wallow in the strange, obscure and disturbing back corners of ''Transformers''.
# '''Formatting''' — Wikipedia has completely different article formatting, markup and structure than we do. An article literally ''cannot'' simply be cut-and-pasted from Wikipedia. It will end up with little red invalid links and error messages all over because the ''Transformers'' articles on Wikipedia use layout templates for presenting information that would be impossible to use on {{SITENAME}} without simplifying the information to the point it would no longer be useful.
#:'''Example:''' The Wikipedia <tt><nowiki>{{character box}}</nowiki></tt> allows you to list a character's 'Alternate Modes'. Optimus Prime's box lists 6 (one of which is "a variety of Cybertronian trucks.") He's had over 30.<ref>See [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)|various articles in this wiki.]]</ref>
# '''Quality''' — Bluntly, a lot of Wikipedia's ''Transformers'' content is vaguely worded summaries of how the writer ''remembers'' it happened, sections of slavish detail alternating with glossed-over simplification and lists. (We hate lists.)
# '''Copyright''' — Though Wikipedia's articles are available for anyone to use or edit under a Creative Commons Free Documentation License, we still require that all article content be written specifically for {{SITENAME}} to meet {{SITENAME}}'s different standards and unique needs. Taking a Wikipedia article and reformatting it to match our layout and structure does not change the fact it was written to a different standard of quality for a different audience. To prevent this, '''{{SITENAME}} requires that the copyright on all submitted article content be held solely by the uploader.'''<ref>You may notice a few articles on {{SITENAME}} (such as [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]]) that appear very similar to their [[Wikipedia:Cyclonus|Wikipedia counterparts]]. They are ''not'' based on the Wikipedia articles; the Wikipedia articles are based on original text written by and {{c}} people who gave Wikipedia permission to use it, but who also rewrote that text for {{SITENAME}}.<br/>'''Lawyer-to-English Translation:''' The complete content of the original Wikipedia article was written by a user (probably [[User:Chris McFeely|McFeely]]) who subsequently took the time to rewrite it to {{SITENAME}}'s standards. That user holds the copyright on his original work, and though he has given Wikipedia the right to fold, spindle and reuse it, he has given the ''same right'' to {{SITENAME}} separately, and our use of that text is in no way beholden to the terms of redistribution of Wikipedia's Creative Commons License. They are instead subject to the ''identical'' terms of redistribution of ''our'' Creative Commons License. Confused? Good!</ref>

''Mostly this is a legal justification for a policy motivated by reasons stated above, however.

{{SITENAME}} uses some Wikipedia layout templates we've judged to be useful, but layout is a question of form rather than content, and the above policy is about content.

===Humor===
{{bigquote|It's got the perfect mix of retentive detail and irreverence.|Pablo Hidalgo, Lucasfilm website content manager, on this very wiki|[http://blogs.starwars.com/pablog/110/comments "Turns Out I'm A Wikipedian"]}}
The most fundamental guiding principle of Wikipedia is [[Wikipedia:WP:NPOV|WP:NPOV]], requiring all articles to be written in a '''neutral point of view''' in order to represent the subject fairly and accurately, which Wikipedia founder [[Wikipedia:Jimmy Wales]] calls "absolute and non-negotiable."

That is a laudable goal. Unfortunately, the scope of WP:NPOV has been expanded far beyond its original intent, and it is now used to require that all articles be not just neutral and fair, but humorless and boring.<ref>It is worth noting that nowhere in WP:NPOV, WP:NOR, or WP:VERIFY (Wikipedia's 3 guiding principles) is humor mentioned, let alone proscribed.</ref> Wikipedia even includes a notice in its [[wikipedia:Template:Humor|Humor template]] warning users that this template should never appear in an article because articles should contain only factual and encyclopedic information.

{{SITENAME}} has chosen to allow humor within its articles, '''provided that it does not get in the way of delivering accurate information'''.

====In Images====
: Most of this humor is restricted to the captions of images because the consensus was that '''it is fundamentally pointless to caption of picture of Megatron in [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron's article]] with "A picture of Megatron." That is ''obvious to anyone with two neurons to run a spark between''.'''

: A joke or humorous observation is better than a needlessly redundant description. Jokes can be about the article text, some element of the character, his toy, an actor who has portrayed him/her, an obscure or notorious event, song lyrics (usually source uncredited), puns, in-jokes, snark, an unrelated familiar or obscure quote that is humorous juxtaposed against the image (also usually source uncredited), meta-commentary about fans or fandom, or simply [[Phoenix|something completely random]].

{{see|Project:Caption}}

: '''Important Distinction:''' Humorous captions are encouraged because 95% of the time a descriptive caption is considered redundant. However in the 5% of the time when captions are actually used to convey useful information they should '''never be replaced''' because it makes the article less useful and is considered vandalism. Use your head.

====In articles====
: Humor is much less tolerated in the articles themselves. In general, humor in an article can be:

:# ''An ironic contrast'' — such as creating a link to another article with a humorous or whimsical connotation. '''Example:''' The [[Forbidden Zone]] article links to the out-universe article about safety testing.
:# ''Inappropriate or selective detail'' — The [[Skids (G1)#Cartoon_continuity|Skids]] article includes a lengthy write-up of his role in the animated series, where he was a non-speaking background character that appeared ''twice''. Alternately, the [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] article goes to great lengths to point out every instance of Sunstreaker being a jerk, no matter how small, since being a colossal jerk is his distinguishing character trait.
:# ''Restricted to the opening write-up'' — [[Scattershot|Scattershot's]] profile contains an extended joke about the coloring book ''[[Decepticon Patrol]]'', but it is used in a manner that still illustrates his personality.
:# ''Non-intrusive'' — The [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] article is written entirely in rhyme, to reflect the character's speaking style. It is a completely functional article, covering all his appearances, abilities and distinguishing characteristics...written entirely in rhymed couplets.

: In summation, humor should be used with great restraint (if at all) in an article body. If it misleads, confuses or gets in the way, it has to go. The article's functionality comes first.

===Secondary source vs. Tertiary source===
Wikipedia regards itself as a ''tertiary'' source for all human knowledge. This distinction goes as follows:
# '''Primary sources''' — are sources very close to an event. The testimony of an eyewitness, or one of the principles involved. In regard to academic discussion of a film, the film itself would be a primary source.
# '''Secondary sources''' — at least one step removed from an event. Biographies that have interviewed principles and witnesses and placed them in a framework for consumption or understanding. Guidebooks, compendiums, companions, or non-fiction histories. In film, an "annotated notes" on the film would be a very ''clean'' example of a secondary source. Or commentary on a DVD.
# '''Tertiary sources''' — Publications that summarize or compile information from many secondary sources, choosing the best sources for accuracy, but having no original content, research or conclusions not found in the secondary sources. In film, a "History of Cinema" textbook would re-present the commonly-agreed-on milestones, not generate an all-new list of great films.

{{quote|Wikipedia itself is a tertiary source.|[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:No_original_research#Primary.2C_secondary_and_tertiary_sources|WP:NOR]]:''Tertiary Sources''}}

{{quote|I don't think [{{SITENAME_SHORT}}] is— or ''wants to be''— encyclopedic. [...] Encyclopedias are supposed to be ''starting points'' for a search for information ...[{{SITENAME_SHORT}}] is an ''ending point'' for a search for information. ...only ''one'' generation removed from reading and viewing all the source material itself.|[[User:Derik]]|"[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/dd745c1e2043a6da?hl%3Den%26dmode%3Dsource The infamous Wikia site]"}}

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==We Hate Lists==
Lists are barely a form of content. Would you read the phone book to learn what the people in your neighborhood were like?

Lists may sometimes be a necessary evil, tolerated because they are useful, but they are never a virtue (except on year pages).

==Multiple user names==
Contributors are ''strongly'' encouraged to register their account on {{SITENAME}}, creating a permanent username to identify themselves instead of being an anonymous [[Transformers Wiki:Policies#IP user|IP User]]. This allows other users to keep track of who's doing what more easily.

Registering ''multiple'' user accounts? ...not so cool. Virtually ''every'' instance of multiple accounts in {{SITENAME_SHORT}}'s history has been used for [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet (Internet)|Sockpuppet]] abuse—typically pretending to be another person who supports your own point of view, verbally attacking others, or simply evading a ban. (Often all three at once.)

[[Wikipedia:]] has a exhaustive exploration of the issues surrounding Sockpuppets on their [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Sock Puppetry|policy page]]. While {{SITENAME}} is not necessarily bound by the policies and due process outlined there (they apply only to Wikipedia) it does present an accurate picture of our general feelings on the manner.

[[Project:Administrators|Sysop]]s are expected act unilaterally in dealing with sock puppets, often a permanent ban of all accounts associated with that user. Evading this ban by registering ''another'' account or editing anonymously is<small>, needless to say,</small> ''also'' punishable by ban.

If a Sysop banned you for using multiple accounts ''by mistake'', you can attempt to convince them you aren't the other person by posting on your own [[Special:Mytalk|talk page]], which you can edit even while banned.

If your talk page has been '''locked from editing''' because you were being abusive... then '''you do not have our sympathy'''.

The only ''officially sanctioned'' duplicate accounts on {{SITENAME_SHORT}} are the maintenance bots [[User:DiagnosticDrone]] run by Sysop [[User:Steve-o]] and [[User:Deceptitran]] run by [[User:Derik]].

No other multiples are officially given permission to exist. If for some reason you ''have'' registered multiple accounts, their user pages should include a '''highly visible notice''' indicating they belong the same person. Sysops will will deal with such accounts as they see fit.

==Profanity==
Because ''{{SITENAME_SHORT}}'' does not follow [[Wikipedia:WP:POV|WP:POV]], Wikipedia's policy that all articles be dry and humorless, the language used in articles can sometimes become somewhat...''spirited''.

Generally speaking ''{{SITENAME_SHORT}}'' permits language which is coarse, vulgar, or indecent, but not offensive. Since language's "offensiveness" is highly subjective, the [http://web.archive.org/web/20080430191004/http://www.randomhouse.com/words/language/oq_chart.html Random House Offensiveness Quotient for Sensitive Language] is recommended for resolving disputes.

Common swear words are not automatically offensive.<br>
:'''Rule of thumb:''' If you can say it in prime time or a PG-13 movie, you can say it here.
:'''Having said that:''' Profanity is the last resort of an ignorant man. You can probably say it better ''and'' funnier without the 4-letter words.

Language '''always inappropriate''' for articles includes<ref>Includes—but is not limited to!</ref> the [[Wikipedia:fuck|f-bomb]], the [[Wikipedia:cunt|c-bomb]], and their derivatives.

The above applies to '''articles only'''. Talk pages, user pages, etc., not being intended for general viewing, have no language restrictions. But please, at least ''try'' to be civil with one another.

==Glossary==
===De-snarking===
'''De-snarking''' refers to the process of curbing or altogether removing [[Wiktionary:snark|humor or sarcasm]] from an article.

De-snarking is necessary when excessive humor or sarcasm in an article interferes with the information the article is supposed to be delivering. Examples include:
* Sarcastic statements (saying the opposite of what they mean) open to being taken literally.
* Unnecessary, convoluted section structure in service of a joke.
* So much humor that the [[Transformers Wiki:Policies#Signal-to-Noise|signal-to-noise]] ratio of the article drops.

Humor should be used sparingly, if at all, in articles outside of image captions (where it is usually encouraged.)

The #1 cause of de-snarking is new users. New users often become so excited by {{SITENAME}}'s policy of allowing/encouraging appropriately humorous tone (unlike many wikis) that they add many more jokes to articles without adding any content to go along with it. The #2 cause is [[Transformers Wiki:Policies#Dogpile|dogpile edits]].

Reverting an edit when the only change was to replace one joke caption with a new, unfunny one is also commonly called de-snarking.

===Dogpile===
'''Dogpiling''' (verb or noun) occurs when multiple users make successive edits to an article (usually in a short period of time) that causes ''one aspect'' of the article to grow, then bloat, then spread like cancer. That which was once a ''good'' part of a balanced article has grown out of control and become unpleasant.

Dogpiling can cause one joke to spread through an article (each user only adding one or two instances of it) until it becomes unreadable. Less frequently, gentle jabs can turn nastier and unpleasant, and eventually toxic. The [[Fandom]] article began as a light-hearted poke at fans' sillier (and stupider) tendencies and slowly became a hate-fest that caused considerable conflict. (The entire article was cauterized down to a stub and has re-emerged in its present, dryly factual form.)

===IP user===
Activity by unregistered users on {{SITENAME}} shows up as an '''[[Wikipedia:IP address|IP address]]''', an anonymous string of numbers. Some internet service providers don't provide their users with "fixed" addresses, so many different addresses can represent a single user.

Dubious or unsupported claims by IP users ("Optimus Prime (Animated) will have a different voice actor in Australia") are usually deleted out-of-hand without asking why. IP users include the lion's share of {{SITENAME}}'s cranks and trolls. While their contributions are appreciated when helpful, there is very little patience towards them when annoying.

IP users involved in heated discussions on talk pages will often be told to register for an account <small>(they never ''do'', but we keep asking)</small> because it's very difficult to tell who's who, and arguing with "a number" makes regular users cranky. This is not merely elitism on the part of regulars; changing IP addresses and making unsigned posts can make it ''incredibly confusing'' to sort out to whom an anonymous post belongs.

===SIGN YOUR POSTS===
The all-caps request that another user '''SIGN YOUR POSTS''' on talk pages indicates that they've probably been asked before, and it's beginning to get annoying. Simply type four ~'s (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) at the end of a post, and Mediawiki will convert it to a name and timestamp. ([[User:Derik|Derik]]02:57, 30 August 2007 (UTC)) It makes ''everyone's'' life much, much easier, so please do it.

===Signal-to-Noise===
'''Signal-to-Noise''' is the measure of:
# How much information an article conveys per its length.
# A user's contributions to site content vs. their non-content edits. (Jokes, etc.)

Ideally, articles should have a high signal-to-noise ratio, being very informative. An article which is a stub with a joke image caption has a low signal-to-noise ratio.

{{SITENAME}} wants its users to contribute to the wiki. Writing or expanding articles, checking facts, making corrections, sorting, categorizing and generally increasing the ''informativeness'' of {{SITENAME}} is good. Adding (or removing) jokes, making funny edits, and complaining about wiki policy on talk pages without regard for the consensus are both deconstructive and bad.

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==Definitions==
This is somehow distinct from the above glossary section despite having a similar title.
===Toy-only/Comic-only...===
{{SITENAME}} has a category for [[:Category:Toy-only characters|Toy-only characters]], as well as several other single-media categories.

A toy-only character is defined as having never appeared in a story, anywhere. The character may have a ''place'' in fiction, but a tech-spec/profile book/box-back is not, for the purposes of this category, considered an "appearance". Meanwhile, a non-speaking, single-panel cameo ''is'', and would disqualify them from this category.

:''('''Note''': The jury is currently out as to whether or not a character being merely '''mentioned''' but not '''seen''' would count as an appearance. (Probably yes.))''

==Basic Conduct==
{{see|Help:Introduction}}

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==Legal Issues==
===Copyrights===
{{see|Transformers Wiki:Copyrights}}

{{-}}
==Attitude towards authority==
Transformers Wiki operates on a "house rules" basis, as in "he who owns the house, makes the rules." In this case that means the community, who has been working here and forming a policy consensus for two years now.

Users may disagree with the policies formed by the community, you may even engage in discussion about changing them... but no individual user may dictate to the community and demand it be changed. If you do that you will be asked, or possibly told, to leave. You want a site that's run your way? Start one on your own! All of TFWiki's content is available for anyone to use under the [[Project:Copyrights|License]], you are welcome to it!

<strike>Likewise, both users and the community as a whole are beholden to a basic level of respect towards the people who host our site: Wikia. That means understanding and showing a respect towards the User Agreement to which we agreed when we signed up, being sensitive to Wikia's business and community needs and goals, and trying to work ''with'' them rather than ''against'' them as they implement changes. Even though the community may disagree with Wikipedia's methods at times, they are our host, and a basic respect must exist. This is ''their'' site, and the Terms of Service are clear; if we don't like the way it's is being run, then we are free to leave and start our own.</strike><ref>Update: You can totally talk trash about Wikia now, but don't be a poopie-pants and go deleting stuff over at Previous Wiki, even if you really, really want to.</ref>

==Footnotes==
{{reflist}}

[[Category: Help]]

Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum

2010-12-16T22:24:36Z

Bobcat2022: /* Notes */ Clarified that the Udvar-Hazy Center is not in Washington, D.C. proper, not even a little.

:''The Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum is a museum from the [[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]] portion of the [[Live-action film series|live action]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:ROTF Smithsonian not really.jpg|thumb|right|350px]]
The '''Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum''' is a museum dedicated to the aviation history of the [[United States of America]].

{{bigquote|What sort of hideous mausoleum is this?!|[[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] isn't too impressed with his current address|[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]}}

==Fiction==

===''Revenge of the Fallen'' film===

When [[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]] told [[Sam Witwicky]], [[Mikaela Banes]], [[Seymour Simmons]], and [[Leo Spitz]] about the [[Seeker (ROTF)|Seeker]]s, he told them where to find the ancient [[Transformer]]s. The closest one was in [[Washington, D.C.]], in the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum. The trip brought back memories for Simmons (he always wanted to be an astronaut). As part of their plan to do their search uninterrupted, Leo distracted the guards by claiming that the restrooms were out of toilet paper, then tazing one who followed him...also tazing himself. Simmons managed to down another four guards, and the human quartet went to work. They managed to find that the SR-71 Blackbird in the museum was the Seeker in question. Reactivating him with the [[AllSpark (Movie)|All Spark]] shard Sam had, it turned out to be [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]], who had not aged very well and damaged a good portion of the museum while trying to get his bearings. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

==Notes==
*''Revenge of the Fallen'' does some rather serious failures in geography with regards to the Smithsonian. What was actually displayed in the movie was the [[Wikipedia:Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center|Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center]], which is administered by the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum and holds many of the aircraft seen in the film, but is a separate building located at [[Wikipedia:Washington Dulles International Airport|Dulles International Airport]], miles outside of D.C. itself. The [[Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|novelization]] makes the distinction about the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy center being a separate facility administered by the Smithsonian, but the film itself does not. Additionally, when Jetfire wanders outside, what is actually shown is the [[Wikipedia:309th Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group|309th Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group]] in Tucson, Arizona, implying that Washington, D.C. is actually an open desert.

*The Smithsonian seems to be proud of its role in ''Revenge of the Fallen'', as one of the exhibit cases at the [[Wikipedia:Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center|Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center]] closest to the SR-71 Blackbird now contains several Transformers toys, prototypes, and props used during filming at the facility, as well as a short clip depicting the development stages of Jetfire's CGI transformation sequence.

==External links==
*[[Wikipedia:National Air and Space Museum|Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum at Wikipedia]]

[[Category:United States of America]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen locations]]

Animorphs

2010-12-16T00:31:54Z

Bobcat2022: /* Fan reaction */ Edited syntax for clarity in explanation of why the Animorphs fiction did not translate successfully into the Transformers toy-design aesthetic

{{disambig2|the toyline based on the book series and television show|the organic beings empowered with the ability to "morph"|Animorph}}
<div class="center">[[Image:AniLogo.png|none|242px|]]</div>

[[Image:Animorphspromoart.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Fortunately, there were no sexy brooding vampires to be found.]]

In 1999, [[Hasbro]] released a small toyline based on the popular '''''[[wikipedia:Animorphs|Animorphs]]''''' book series by K. A. Applegate. The line was released under the ''Transformers'' brand name, though the two franchises have no relation to each other, story-wise. ''Animorphs'' toys were stocked on shelves alongside ''[[Beast Wars (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' [[Transmetal 2]] toys, and their presence may explain why the Transmetal 2 series was so small (only 17 toys.)
{{TOCclear}}

==Toys==
''Animorphs'' toys featured a small cast of human characters that transformed into various animals. Most figures also had a third "mid-morph" mode that represented a halfway point in the morphing process. There were also 2 alien "[[Andalite]]" characters, one hero and one villain. The villain, [[Visser Three]], had 2 figures.

As the line trickled to a close, two of the later figures ([[Marco]]/beetle and [[Ax]]/panther) became fairly rare and difficult to find. Another pair of figures, ([[Jake]]/stingray and [[Taxxon]]/Battlebeast), never saw release in the United States at all, though a few fans were able to get their hands on foreign versions.

With the cancellation of the line, a series of planned animal-to-animal toys were [[Retool|retooled]] and released under the ''Beast Wars'' banner as the [[Mutant (BW)|Mutants]].

===1999===
'''Deluxe'''

''(Each Deluxe toy came packed with a small [[Yeerk]] figure in either orange, purple, or red translucent plastic.)''

*[[Ax]] (human/panther)
*[[Cassie]] (human/wolf)
*[[Jake]] (human/tiger)
*[[Jake]] (human/bear)
*[[Marco]] (human/gorilla)
*[[Marco]] (human/beetle)
*[[Rachel]] (human/lion)
*[[Tobias]] (human/hawk)

'''Mega'''

*[[Ax]] ("Andalite"/scorpion)
*[[Visser Three]] ("Andalite"/"inferno creature")
*[[Tobias]] (human/hawk)

'''Ultra'''
*[[Visser Three]] ("Andalite"/"Hork-Bajir"/"inferno creature")

'''Super'''
*[[Tri-Rex]] ([[combiner]])

:*[[Cassie]] (human/''Tyrannosaurus rex'' tail)
:*[[Jake]] (human/''Tyrannosaurus rex'' head)
:*[[Marco]] (human/''Tyrannosaurus rex'' body)

===No US release===
*[[Jake]] (human/stingray)
*[[Taxxon]] ("Taxxon"/"Battlebeast")

==Fan reaction==
For the most part, the ''Animorphs'' line was, politely speaking, poorly received by ''Transformers'' fans for a variety of reasons:

# The franchise was totally unrelated to the ''Transformers'' universe, and many felt that Hasbro was [[Star Wars|trying to]] [[Crossovers|milk the]] [[Disney Label|brand name]] by using it on the ''Animorphs'' line.
# The main characters of Animorphs were organic beings and not robots. In-fiction, instead of drastically re-arranging their body parts, the Animorphs "transformed" by fluidly morphing from one state to the other (i.e. while morphing into a horse, a human's hands and feet would become hooves). This, of course, was impossible to recreate in toy form, so the toys fell back on the Transformers' method of rearranging the character's body parts. As such, the toys' "human" modes often had animal [[kibble]] hanging off them, if not still blatantly visible in both forms, and many of the animal forms required separate pieces that slid over the human hands to turn them into paws or claws. Some fans found this design approach <strike>sloppy</strike> unaesthetic.

==Notes==
*Several Animorphs toys with a human form feature articles of ragged clothing being worn by a character... But what exactly is happening to them is unclear. The clothing being ripped and wrecked seem to imply that the clothes are being destroyed due to the characters morphing, as is described happening in the Animorphs novels. Yet, the toy line advertises more heavily the television series over the books, and in said program the characters' clothes morphed alongside them into their animal forms, and the toys' sculpting and paint details hint that this is what is also happening with these figures. It can be speculated that either their garments are getting first torn to shreds and then subsequently morphing along the character into their animal forms, or that the Animorphs' clothes are in shambles due to being worn in combat.

== External link ==
*[[wikipedia:Animorphs|Animorphs at Wikipedia]]

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User:Bobcat2022

2010-12-16T00:24:09Z

Bobcat2022: This goes here, instead?

Apparently the only person who sees [[Ransack (Universe 2008)|Ransack]], [[Stockade (Universe 2008)|Stockade]], and [[Windrazor (Universe)|Windrazor]]– a red T-Rex, a blue Triceratops, and a pink Pterodactyl– and thinks "Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers".

User talk:Bobcat2022

2010-12-16T00:23:47Z

Bobcat2022: Apologies; unfamiliar with this site's protocol.

Icepick (PCC)

2010-12-10T16:22:00Z

Bobcat2022: /* Power Core Combiners */ mentioned Icepick's lack of fist holes.

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{{Disambig2|the Power Core Combiners character|the Pretender Monster from Generation 1|Icepick (G1)}}
:''Icepick is a [[Decepticon]] [[Commander (PCC)|Commander]] from [[Power Core Combiners]].''

[[Image:PCC_Icepick_&_Chainclaw.jpg|thumb|300px|]]

'''Icepick''' has no respect for his elders—or, in fact, for anyone less technologically-advanced than himself and his fellow [[combiner]]s. He believes they're fit for the scrap heap, and he's only too happy to send them there himself; outmoded [[Autobot]]s and Decepticons alike had best steer clear of this frigid fanatic.

==Toys==
===Power Core Combiners===
*'''Icepick with Chainclaw''' (Commander Class, 2010)
: Icepick is a Scout-size arctic vehicle who transforms into a robot. His [[Mini-Con]], [[Chainclaw (PCC)|Chainclaw]], can transform into a robot, or armor, vehicle weapon or robot weapon for Icepick. Icepick can swap between his normal head and a larger head so that he can also serve as a torso for ''Power Core Combiner'' drones sold separately. Unlike most Power Core Combiners Commander figures, Icepick does not have [[5mm post]] holes in or near his hands to allow him to wield his Mini-Con partner in a gun- or melee-weapon-like manner. He has some sweet claws, though.

[[Category: Power Core Combiners Decepticons]]
[[Category: Toy-only characters]]

Megatron (Animated)

2010-12-06T03:18:46Z

Bobcat2022: /* Animated cartoon */ Italicized backstory from Allspark Almanac; changed "her" to "Sari" in paragraph describing the episode Sound and Fury.

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:''Megatron is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Megatronanimated.jpg|300px|thumb|An insult to G1, we swear!]] If you were to ask '''Megatron''' to describe himself in one word, he'd probably go with "heroic". He sees himself as a freedom fighter, [[Decepticon leader#Animated|leading]] the Decepticons out of the days of "[[Autobot]] tyranny". The fact he's hoping to replace that with Decepticon tyranny isn't really a concern. A fanatic at [[spark]], he revels in every Autobot who suffers at Decepticon hands and doesn't register humans as anything more than "collateral damage."

Megatron demands loyalty from the Decepticons, loyalty he gains by his awe-inspiring power. With the combined threat of a sharp mind, his [[fusion cannon]], a pair of deadly swords and simple brute strength, there aren't many who'd dare cross him. Still, he has no problem manhandling troops as a gentle reminder.

The loss of his body and former power was only a minor setback for him, as Megatron proved a master manipulator. He effortlessly duped [[Isaac Sumdac]] into helping him—and once Megatron was restored to full power, he turned the tables on his old captor.

He is extremely intolerant of treachery and deals with [[Starscream (Animated)|said treacherous bots]] with a vicious no-nonsense efficiency, [[Megatron (G1)|unlike other Decepticon leaders]]. He is also a shrewd strategist who effortlessly [[Scrapper (Animated)|wraps]] [[Mixmaster (Animated)|others]] around his fingers.

{{bigquote|Decepticons... ''transform and rise up!''|Megatron puts a new twist on [[Roll out|an old saying]]|"[[Megatron Rising - Part 2]]"}}

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
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:''Voice actor:'' [[Corey Burton]] (English), [[Norio Wakamoto]] (Japanese), [[Jan Spitzer]] (German), [[Mirosław Neinert]] (Polish), [[Afonso Amajones]] (Portuguese)

[[Image:Megatron Cybertron.jpg|left|thumb|Pointier than thou.]]
''Eons ago, Megatron overthrew the Decepticon leader [[Megazarak (Animated)|Megazarak]] and took control of the faction for himself. He gave speeches and wrote manifestos calling for the Decepticons to rise up and take control of both Cybertron and the [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] from the Autobots. Finally, on the [[Cycle of Infamy]], he took the Decepticons from mere rhetoric to outright war.''

''The Decepticons overran Autobot space but the Autobots under [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] had one major advantages: they had exclusive [[space bridge]] technology, allowing them to move about the galaxy more easily. The Decepticon advance ground to a halt.'' {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac Volume 2}} However, Megatron's forces continued to fight on until the Autobots sent the AllSpark through the space bridge to random coordinates. Realizing that the AllSpark was the key to defeating the Autobots, Megatron abandoned the Cybertron theater and began searching the galaxy aboard his massive flagship, the ''[[Nemesis (Animated)|Nemesis]]''. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out}} With the war going badly after this, Megatron tried a last-ditch attempt with [[The False Calm]] and sent his troops at sub-light speeds to Cybertron, but this failed and the Decepticons were finally forced to agree to an armistice and exile. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac Volume 2}}

[[Image:TFA TARO Decepticons attention.JPG|175px|thumb|He's not planning on shaking Prime's hand...he's going to tear it off.]] However, Megatron continued to search for the AllSpark. Four million years later, the ''Nemesis's'' crew discovered a [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|small Autobot repair vessel]] after detecting the [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]]. When [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] volunteered to attack, Megatron saw his ambitions all too clearly, and pointedly remarked that he wasn't about to let four million solar cycles of searching for the AllSpark end with Starscream getting his greasy wings on it. No, Megatron would strike the Autobot ship and take the AllSpark himself. Just prior to his departure, Starscream approached him again, ostensibly to wish him luck, but actually to place an overload device on his leader's back. This device went off just as Megatron's fusion cannon was about to breach the hull of the Autobots' ship. The Autobot crew managed to steer the now-failing ship through an asteroid field and into a nearby [[space bridge]].

With the ship now plummeting through the Earth's atmosphere, a wounded Megatron still managed to thrash the crew soundly and nearly claimed the AllSpark. Quick thinking on the part of [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] sent the Decepticon leader out the cargo hatch and into free fall. Megatron [[Megatron (Movie)|fell from the sky]] and crashed in Paw Paw, Michigan, where his head (and later, a hand) was found by a young [[Isaac Sumdac]].

Over the next fifty years, Sumdac built a robotics empire by reverse-engineering Megatron's components, while, Megatron's inert head remained secretly in Sumdac's private lab, the source of the human's engineering genius and also a secret shame. Megatron's severed hand was there as well, used by Sumdac as a piece of furniture. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out}}

[[Image:AniMegsHead-TransformAndRollout.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Hey Megatron, don't lose your... oh.]]
After the Autobots re-awoke, [[Sari Sumdac|Sari]] used her [[AllSpark Key]] to sneak into her father's lab. He stopped her from seeing anything it contained, but the AllSpark energy from the Key was absorbed by Megatron's head, reawakening his spark and bringing him back online. Confused and disoriented, he automatically brought up video footage of Starscream and the Autobots, footage in which Starscream admitted to his treachery. Furious both at Starscream's betrayal and the fact he didn't have the hands to reach out and take the AllSpark which was finally within his grasp, he released a burst of energy which activated a small drone Dr. Sumdac had been working on. Megatron thus realized he could control the extremely primitive (by his standards) technology around him. Learning Sari was going to spend the night at the Autobot base, he secreted his drone into her backpack. Once she arrived, Megatron sent the drone to look for the AllSpark, but his search was fruitless. He decided to try a simpler method: Kill the Autobots and extract the data from their lifeless corpses. Interfacing with the factory's assembly line, he attacked. As the Autobots fought back, he decided to cut out the middleman and knocked a hole in a fuel tank. [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] realized the factory was working via motion sensors and managed to get close to the control panel. To counter him, Megatron simply took over the factory arms and snatched up Prowl. However, he failed to stop [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]], due to the primitive tools he was forced to use. With his plans foiled, Megatron was out of patience, refusing to work through these worthless proxy machines. He needed a body, which meant it was time to provide some more advanced technology to Sumdac... {{storylink|Home Is Where the Spark Is}}

Megatron soon revealed to Isaac that he still functioned and, when Isaac guessed he was a friend of the Autobots, Megatron played along. He persuaded Isaac to keep his existence secret until Isaac had built him a new body, as then the Autobots would be more forgiving of how Isaac had reverse-engineered their friend. Megatron then helped construct the [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobots]], deliberately programming them to go on a rampage and building fire-breath into them as a prototype for a planned army of drones. When they were defeated, Megatron despaired he might never gain a new body, but upon discovering they'd been turned into sentient Transformers, he quickly convinced them that cars, trucks and "[[Autobot|car robots]]" were evil beings that ate the fossil fuels supposedly derived from dinosaurs.

During their second rampage, Isaac realized Megatron had deliberately built weapons into the Dinobots. The tyrant feigned shame, saying he'd added experimental features out of a desire to have a body again. Isaac promised not to tell the Autobots and that Megatron would have a body again one day... {{storylink|Blast from the Past}}

Soon, Dr. Sumdac began attempting to build him some new servos, but these proved inadequate. Megatron revealed that his body would need [[Destronium]] to work, but Isaac responded there was only a small amount available and that it would have to be delivered across town in less than 10 minutes or it would become unstable. Taking notice of an experimental turbo suit Sumdac's labs were developing (with flaws that possibly precluded Isaac considering it as a solution), Megatron manipulated computer systems so the suit was delivered to small-time hood [[Nanosec|Nino Sexton]]. Once Sexton began using the suit to commit crimes too quickly to be stopped, Megatron contacted him with an offer of much money out of Dr. Sumdac's private account if Sexton used the suit to steal and deliver the Destronium. Between Autobot interference and the suit aging him prematurely, Sexton failed. Worse, the Destronium was energized to a critical level, risking an explosion that would destroy [[Detroit]]. The Autobots barely managed to send the Destronium sample into the upper atmosphere before it exploded, and they were left to wonder why a human had tried to steal it in the first place. {{storylink|Nanosec (episode)|Nanosec}}

After Megatron learned of the power of Sari's AllSpark Key and the careless nature in which she used it, he attempted to trick her into assisting him. He designed [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]], a musical toy that was secretly meant to grow more powerful every time Sari used the Key upon it, until eventually it would be a suitable robotic body for Megatron himself. When the Key instead brought Soundwave to independent life, Megatron changed his plan and, with convincing logic, recruited Soundwave as a Decepticon warrior. {{storylink|Sound and Fury}}

When [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] and [[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]] arrived on Earth, Megatron, remembering Starscream's betrayal, was hesitant to act. After witnessing a battle between his soldiers and the Autobots, Megatron concluded that Blitzwing was too unstable, but Lugnut was genuinely loyal. He contacted Lugnut only, instructing him to locate the AllSpark, which would help restore him. Later, he also informed Lugnut about the Key. Unfortunately, Lugnut and Blitzwing were defeated and damaged by the Autobots, severing Lugnut's link with Megatron—and Megatron's only link to the outside world. {{storylink|Lost and Found (episode)|Lost and Found}}

[[Image:Sumdac megatron%27s body.jpg|200px|thumb|Yeah, it's a fixer-upper.]]
Although Megatron himself was not mentally involved, his headless body was infected with [[space barnacles]], causing the barnacles to mutate into a semi-sentient form. After absorbing two mining bots and attacking a [[Sparkplug (Animated human)|miner]], it was defeated by Bumblebee and Prowl. Later, the body was discovered (minus space barnacles) by Isaac Sumdac and most likely brought back to his laboratory. Sumdac remarked that Megatron would be ''very'' pleased with the find... {{storylink|Nature Calls}}

[[Image:MegRisingRebuilt.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Don't call it a comeback; I've been here for years.]] Sumdac attempted to rebuild Megatron, but progress was slowed by a power failure. Frustrated, Megatron again contacted Lugnut and ordered him to bring him the AllSpark Key. This communication triggered Starscream's curiosity, and the treacherous jet located Megatron. Starscream didn't have time to <s>finish his speech</s> slay Megatron before he was distracted by the Autobots—and Megatron used that distraction to take Starscream by surprise and eject him from the lab. When Blitzwing and Lugnut arrived with the Key, Megatron revealed his true identity to his human "friend". Sumdac, seized by the mechanical hand he had so long used as a chair, could only watch and wail in horror as the Decepticon tyrant used the power of the AllSpark to reconstruct himself, more powerful than ever. Finally restored, he burst through the roof of [[Sumdac Tower]], to the horror of the Autobots and Starscream, ready to unleash his vengeance on all of them. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 1}}

[[Image:PayThePiper.JPG|200px|thumb|"Will anyone else attempt to fill his shoes?"]] Megatron's revenge was quick and brutal. Trashing the Autobots in short order, he called his Decepticons to him. As Starscream bootlicked, Megatron powered up his fusion cannon to destroy the one responsible for his defeat—then used the AllSpark Key to send a painful power surge through Starscream, extinguishing the traitor's spark and reinforcing his authority over Blitzwing and Lugnut. He commanded them to "transform and rise up," and the three Decepticons took to the sky, using the Key to track the AllSpark.

[[Image:Megatron Rising 2 All Spark Megs boom.jpg|left|200px|thumb|This is not good...]] Finding it aboard the Autobots' ship, the Decepticons caused the ship to crash on [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]], where Megatron proceeded to beat the [[Slag (slang)|slag]] out of Optimus Prime. Getting into the ship, Megatron removed the AllSpark from its casing and placed it in his chest, preparing to devastate Earth before conquering Cybertron. However, Professor Sumdac used his knowledge of Megatron's circuitry to disrupt his equilibrium sensors, causing Megatron to drop the AllSpark Key. Optimus Prime used the Key to force a surge of power through the AllSpark within Megatron, causing it to explode and disperse its energy.

And yet, it was not a total loss for Megatron; despite the damage, he escaped and managed to abduct Sumdac. Once again, their fates were intertwined, only this time Sumdac was Megatron's prisoner. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 2}}

Establishing a base deep underground in a mine, Megatron quickly adjusted his plans after the loss of the AllSpark. During his battle aboard the Autobot ship, he had managed to download a partial [[space bridge]] schematic from their computers. He planned to use the space bridge to teleport himself, Lugnut, and Blitzwing to Cybertron, then conquer the planet from within. To facilitate this plan, Megatron used the captive Professor Sumdac to reverse-engineer the space bridge and fill in the "gaps" within the schematics. However, when a service bot suddenly malfunctioned, it was revealed that a shard of the AllSpark was embedded within it. This gave Megatron hope that the AllSpark was not destroyed, but dispersed throughout the city of Detroit. {{storylink|The Elite Guard}}

[[Image:Swordscream.JPG|200px|thumb|Yes, Starscream, and we'll keep doing it until you get it right!]]
Finding out about the AllSpark fragments, however, didn't seem to result in any changes in his plans. Megatron received word from a spy that the Decepticons had begun making random assaults on the Autobots. He realized that they needed to make a concentrated effort in order to secure his victory. He had Lugnut and Blitzwing steal a tachyon transmitter from the [[Cybertron Elite Guard|Elite Guard]] so he could send his message, but was interrupted during his transmission by a revived Starscream. After quickly beating him to a pulp, Megatron relayed his commands to the spacefaring 'Cons, only to be repeatedly attacked by a seemingly invincible Starscream. The renegade even attempted to draw Megatron out with an AllSpark fragment. Megatron emerged victorious every time and was informed by his spy that all was going as planned: With his [[Decepticon Uprisings|forces now drawing the Autobots away from Cybertron]], Megatron could attack a weakened Cybertron from within as soon as his space bridge was completed. {{storylink|Mission Accomplished}}

Later, while at the Decepticon base, Lugnut detected an AllSpark energy signal emanating from Detroit. Megatron quickly dispatched Lugnut to retrieve the AllSpark shard before the Autobots could. Lugnut proceeded to praise his master's "grand and glorious plan", but Megatron, fed up with the adulation to the point of involuntary optic-twitching, curtly commanded his enforcer to get going. {{storylink|Garbage In, Garbage Out}}

[[Image:RiseoftheConstructicons-Megatron%27sprivateblend.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Gentlemen, to evil.]]
When Lugnut and Blitzwing brought the [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructobots]] back to base, Megatron saw the advantage of keeping them alive, and he invited them to have a look at his space bridge schematics. Impressed by their knowledge, he decided to put them to work stealing supplies. After an encounter with [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]], the Constructobots became convinced of "the funny guy's" less-than-noble intentions, and they returned to the mine to confront him. Megatron calmly slammed them both against a rock face and asked them to explain. He feigned shock and brought them in to discuss things over his own private oil blend. Megatron showed himself to be a bit of an oil connoisseur, possessing stylish little goblets for it made of twisted oil drums, as well as a secret stash of top-quality oil and a chamber to drink it in. Megatron spoke of the glories they could achieve as Constructicons: the adulation, the statues in their honor...the barrels of oil they could down. Ever the shrewd worker, it didn't take much for him to convince them to join up, and he promptly sent them to the Autobot base to retrieve the AllSpark fragments. {{storylink|Rise of the Constructicons}}

[[Image:Rise Constructicons Megatron what.jpg|200px|thumb|Constructicons say WHAAAAAT?]]
When Starscream escaped from the Elite Guard's ship, Megatron received [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]]'s alert to the Autobots thanks to the stolen tachyon transmitter. Megatron had placed a bounty on the traitor, and [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]] (with the unknowing aid of Prowl) pretty much took the opportunity to bring him to the Decepticon leader. Lockdown contacted Megatron to confirm that he had captured a purple-ish "Starscream" (who was acting quite odd and cowardly) and agreed to meet at an abandoned warehouse for the exchange. As "Starscream" was brought to Megatron, Prowl, who was hiding on a rafter high above, accidentally scuffed a small bolt, which grabbed the Decepticons' attention. Not too long after, the Autobots appeared with another, different-colored Starscream. Megatron intercepted Lockdown's escape and announced confusedly that no one was to leave until they found out which was the true Starscream. However, it turned out that both Starscreams were clones with bombs in their [[spark]] chambers designed to destroy Megatron and the Autobots in one go. Quickly thinking up a plan, Megatron and the other Decepticons transformed and escaped forcibly through the ceiling. However, Prowl used the upgrades given to him by Lockdown to send the [[Starscream clone (Animated)|clones]] into the air, not too far from the fleeing Decepticons, when the bombs exploded. It is unknown if they were wounded, but Megatron later raised the bounty on Starscream—insisting on the ''real'' one this time. {{storylink|A Fistful of Energon}}

He was later contacted by [[Swindle (Animated)|Swindle]], who attempted to sell him a new weapon. Nothing came of this, as Swindle was defeated before the deal could be closed. {{storylink|SUV: Society of Ultimate Villainy}} Megatron also made some ''"secret"'' transmissions to his [[Shockwave (Animated)|double agent]] on Cybertron in order to settle his new plans for the coming Autobot-Decepticon war. {{storylink|Autoboot Camp}}

[[Image:TFA ABTC1 Megatron Sumdac Hostage.jpg|left|200px|thumb|"Did I tell you about the time I killed the cult leader?"]]
Megatron's plans finally seemed on the verge of fruition when Sumdac and the Constructicons completed the space bridge. However, some vital technical aspects made it inoperable. In order to remedy this, Megatron contacted Shockwave to learn who was Cybertron's leading [[Space bridge technician]], which turned out to be the Autobot Bulkhead. Not wishing to leave Doctor Sumdac alone to sabotage the Constructicons' efforts, Megatron took him along as a hostage while he went to capture Bulkhead. Once he had the big Autobot in custody, Megatron threatened to use the [[Headmaster (Animated)|Headmaster]] unit on him if he didn't help make the space bridge operational. To Megatron's satisfaction, Bulkhead agreed and finished the project. Just as the machine was activated, both the Autobots and Starscream and his clone army attacked. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part I}}

The three-way free-for-all ironically forced Megatron and Optimus Prime to team up temporarily, but this quickly ended when Megatron used Prime's body as a shield against one of Starscream's clone's attacks. Despite putting up a decent resistance, Megatron was overwhelmed and held down by two of the Starscream clones. As the original Starscream gloated, he was head-jacked by Isaac Sumdac in the Headmaster unit. Sumdac prepared to fight Megatron himself, but Megatron simply used his strength to throw the two Starscream clones at him, knocking off the Headmaster unit and proving himself the victor. With Starscream incapacitated, the clones sided with Megatron. He then made his own victory speech to his soldiers, declaring he would send Optimus Prime through the bridge to test it. However, the Autobots got some [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|reinforcements]]. Megatron quickly ordered the majority of his forces to deal with this new menace while the Constructicons cleared the space bridge area of rubble. Grabbing Optimus, Megatron threw him into the portal, but was frustrated when Prowl freed his leader in the nick of time, at which point the bridge shut down. Bulkhead declared the power source wasn't strong enough to maintain the link for long, so Megatron grabbed Starscream's AllSpark-powered head to maintain the gateway. However, this provided too much power, sending the space bridge portal out of control. An enraged Megatron decided to terminate Optimus Prime, only for Optimus to slap [[stasis cuffs]] on him, causing him to lose his grip and fall into the portal.

[[Image:TFA ABTC2 Megatron Screamer End.jpg|200px|thumb|"Stop staring at me!"]]
With the overload having deleted the space bridge's receiving coordinates, the defeated Megatron was transported to some unknown sector of space. Still immobilized by the stasis cuffs, Megatron's only companion was now Starscream's head, which a cruel twist of Fate had deposited right next to him. Forced to remain face to face with his traitorous ex-lieutenant, Megatron could only trade verbal blows. A most cruel fate, indeed. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part II}}

After their bickering subsided, Starscream began trying to free Megatron from the stasis cuffs, but having no body was a hinderance. Megatron was only freed when Starscream revealed a previously unseen weapon from his mouth. Before their could react, Omega Supreme appeared, offline. Getting aboard him, Megatron was captured by Omega, but was able to convince the simple processor possessing behemoth to take him to Cybertron to face a war crimes tribunal. However, Omega Supreme's attempt to transwarp to Cybertron left them somewhere else in space, but did drain Omega for the time being. Initially disgusted that he was trapped aboard the cause of the Decepticons defeat, as well without his weapons and only Starscream for company, Megatron soon realized that if he could reprogram Omega to serve him, he would be a great advantage.

Managing to hotwire the Autobot with the stasis cuffs and Starscream's AllSpark charged head, Megatron contacted Shockwave to give him a status report on the Earth space bridge. However, the situation was worse than Megatron realized: not only was the space bridge network shut down, but the Earth Autobots could expose Shockwave at any moment. Although Omega Supreme provided an advantage that could end both problems, Megatron decided that the space bridge invasion plan was a failure, and issued a fleet wide stand down order. Heading to Earth, Megatron attempted to use Omega to destroy the Autobots (even though he couldn't remember their names). However, Prowl and Optimus Prime managed to board Omega and sever Megatron's control over him. Unfortunately, Starscream managed to gain control over Omega Supreme, capturing Megatron again. Ever the manipulator, Megatron convinced Starscream that his time would be better spent conquering Cybertron. However, the Autobots managed to install the [[plasmadynamic thruster]] from Megatron's space bridge into Omega Supreme, sending Omega and the two Decepticons aboard warping through space randomly. {{storylink|TransWarped}}

[[Image:TFAni Decepticon Air Lugnut Megatron.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Don't you just hate it when fanboys keep following you?]]
Later, as Lugnut was floating through space following his half-successful escape from the Elite Guard flagship, Omega Supreme transwarped to directly in front of him and he smashed into the bridge window. When Starscream asked Megatron if they were picking up hitchhickers, Megatron simply slapped his head of its position. That was for asking stupid questions.. {{storylink|Decepticon Air}}

Soon thereafter, Megatron gained control of Omega Supreme's transforming mechanism, and by detaching the plasmadynamic thruster was also able to direct their transwarp jumps; however, he could not get the weapons online without the proper access codes. Megatron brought the ship to Cybertron, where they could do little but float helplessly in the air; Megatron reasoned—correctly—that the Autobots would not dare fire on their own most famous weapon (though [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel "Magnus"]] sure wanted to). Megatron ordered Shockwave to hurry up his search for the access codes; once Shockwave successfully abducted Arcee and boarded the ship, they transwarped into Earth orbit right before Sentinel opened fire. Megatron welcomed Shockwave aboard as his "most loyal" servant, to the great concern of Lugnut. {{storylink|This Is Why I Hate Machines}}

Now on the moon, Megatron commanded Shockwave to extract the access codes from Arcee's mind. When Starscream re-attached his head to another clone body, Megatron pursued him and destroyed all the remaining clones, teasing Starscream for having always thought on a small scale. Megatron's ultimate plans for the protoforms aboard the ''Nemesis'' was to use them to create his own clone fleet of Omega Supremes--based on the personality template of his ''truly'' most loyal minion, Lugnut. That part of the plan went just fine, but Shockwave was still unable to get Arcee to do his bidding--perhaps because although she was fooled by his Longarm Prime persona, she saw the evil Megatron standing right behind him and refused to cooperate. After a few technical bypasses put Lugnut in mental command of the "[[Lugnut Supreme]]" fleet, Megatron ordered his new weapons to test their skills by destroying the Earthbound Autobots. {{storylink|Endgame, Part I}}

Observing from within one of the Lugnut Supremes, Megatron's first target for destruction was his former prison, Sumdac Tower. But when the tower's forcefield proved impenetrable and Optimus Prime was able to destroy one of the Lugnut Supremes and severely damage the other two by using the [[Magnus Hammer]], Megatron settled on a new plan: destroying everything that wasn't him. He flew cover over the advancing Lugnut Supremes, directly engaging Optimus Prime (at first mistaken for [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]], then dismissed as a [[knockoff|"cheap imitation"]]) so Prime would not again be able to use the Magnus Hammer on the giants. As their combat raged on, Megatron was at last able to remember Optimus Prime's name, to Prime's bitter enjoyment. The two were later trapped within a prison of Allspark energy--meant to seal in the timebomb that Starscream had secretly placed in one of the Lugnut Supremes--and Megatron reasoned that even if he himself had to die, he could at least kill Prime first. But Prowl's ghost was having none of that, and Megatron soon found himself left alone to be blown up. Though massively damaged, he survived this and turned to attack the Autobots once more. He was quickly defeated by Optimus Prime, and when Megatron then invited Prime to kill him, Prime retorted that that would be "the easy way out," which Megatron did not deserve. Megatron was placed in [[stasis cuffs]] and arrested, then brought back to Cybertron and displayed as a prisoner before the cheering Autobot masses. {{storylink|Endgame, Part II}}

===''Quest for the AllSpark''===
Megatron took to hanging around online using the alias "Meg A. Tron". Masquerading thusly, he was able to recruit the unwitting help of [[Heinz Von Furstwartz|Professor Heinz Von Furstwartz]] in his scheme to sow confusion amongst the Autobots and get hold of the AllSpark. He was also able to take control of Detroit's legion of robot workers, forcing the Autobots to enact an elaborate plan to keep the AllSpark safe. {{storylink|Quest for the AllSpark}}

===Titan Magazines===
[[Image:MegatronTitan23.jpg|right|180px|thumb|"NIXON'S BAAACK!"]]

Apart from showing interest in the activities of [[Quake-Maker]], {{storylink|Animated Comic issue 1|Burnout!}} Megatron seemed idle... but what the Autobots were unaware of was that he'd constructed a Spark-less drone unit, [[Afterburn]], as a prototype of a future army, and then sent Afterburn off to spy on the Autobots.

He not only received repeated communications from his spy, but gained directions to the Autobot base! Megatron entered with explosive results {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 23|Divebomb}} and then ''killed'' Afterburn while rubbing [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]]'s nose in it. He proceeded to summon the other Decepticons and thrash most of the Autobots with ease, making some really bad puns along the way, only stopped when [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] secretly got him buried under a crane. Starscream then "saved" him, making Megatron think he'd turned over a new leaf and thus giving him temporary command until he got better. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 24|Megatron's Revenge}}

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===Animated shorts===
[[Image:MockMegs-bunny.jpg|thumb|left|200px|If only [[Cyclonus (Animated)|he]] was around to see this]]
While Megatron gave an inspirational speech to his Decepticons (which seemed to be very similar to [[Mission Accomplished|another message]] he'd sent out), Starscream proceeded to make fun of him behind his back—making faces, giving Megatron bunny ears, and shaking his butt at his leader. Megatron was suspicious of Starscream's actions, but each time he turned to look, his lieutenant was standing there innocently, doing nothing unseemly. Megatron apparently decided to let it go, as did the other Decepticons (even Lugnut), until he finally caught Starscream in mid-heckle and dealt with him by blasting him through a wall. {{storylink|Starscream Heckles Megatron}}
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===''The Cool'' comic===
[[Image:TheCoolMegatronChokesPrime01.jpg|thumb|200px|right|All aboard the Crazy Train! ''Toot! Toot!'']]

At some point, [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] double-crossed Megatron and attempted to kill him. Unbeknownst to anyone, Megatron's head survived his destruction and had hooked into [[Detroit]]'s closed-circut video surveillance system. Following the dispersion of the [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] (and Starscream's apparent demise), Megatron became intrigued by [[Sari Sumdac|Sari's]] [[AllSpark Key|key]] after she used it to bring [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] back to life. Interests piqued, Megatron declared the time was right to initiate the next phase of his operation. {{storylink|The Cool issue 2|The Cool #2}}

Megatron eventually got his hands on the key and used its power to revive himself. After killing Starscream, Megatron engaged Optimus Prime in a sword-to-axe duel. The outcome of that fight is unknown, though apparently the Autobots survived the day. {{storylink|The Cool issue 5|The Cool #5}}

Megatron later hired [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]] to capture the (somehow still alive) Starscream. Lockdown mistakenly captured [[Clone number 3370318|Clone #3370318]], instead, while the Autobots captured [[Clone number 2716057|Clone #2716057]]. Megatron was met with both clones at his meeting place in a warehouse and demanded to know why there were ''two'' Starscreams. When the clones turned out to be bombs, Megatron attempted to flee in helicopter mode, only to be chased down by the explosives after [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] attached a pair of rockets to them. Megatron screamed in confusion as he was caught in the explosion. {{storylink|The Cool issue 6|The Cool #6}}

With the [[Space Bridge]] nearly completed, Megatron was caught off-guard by a surprise attack from Optimus Prime and the Autobots. Clashing sword with Prime's axe, Megatron arrogantly told the Autobot he could never win, though his efforts were amusing. Megatron was then met by a second surprise: an attack by Starscream and his [[Starscream clone (Animated)|Clone Army]]. Megatron was forced to fight side by side with Optimus, but quickly dissolved the partnership when he use Prime as a shield to block one of [[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]]'s shots. Dropping Prime's smoking body, Megatron informed all listening that the universe belonged to him. {{storylink|The Cool issue 7|The Cool #7}}

Megatron then installed the severed head of Starscream into the Space Bridge in order to power it with his [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] fragment. The fragment proved ''too'' powerful and caused the Space Bridge to overload. Optimus, recovered, took Megatron's distraction as an opportunity to defeat the villain once and for all. Slapping a pair of stasis cuffs on him, Optimus kicked Megatron in the jaw and sent him hurtling into the vortex.{{storylink|The Cool issue 8|The Cool #8}}
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==Toys==
===Animated===
[[Image:TFAnimated Deluxe BattleBegins Megatron toy.jpg|250px|thumb|SPAAAACE ROOOAAACH!]]
*'''Optimus Prime vs. Megatron: The Battle Begins''' (Entertainment Pack, 2008)
**''Accessories'': Missile

: Transforms into a sleek spacecraft with, er, VTOL turbofans (presumably designed to show some lineage with his eventual helicopter mode. It's best if you don't think about it too hard). Megatron's signature fusion cannon forms the central chassis and cockpit section of the spacecraft (officially, a "Fusion Fighter"); his sword sections mount on the sides of the cannon for storage, though the blade is unremovable and effectively useless. Like the [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Prime]] figure he comes with, he features a punching gimmick, having a spring-loaded waist that snaps back when twisted. Unfortunately, Megatron's balljoint hips and the swivel joints between his thighs and knees are rather loose, making it difficult to pose the figure in such a way that he stands on his own. The figure features a silver color scheme and battle damage paint applications. Also included was [[Transformers Animated (cartoon)/DVD#Pack-in disc|a DVD]] featuring the first episode of ''Transformers Animated''.

:The design makes it tricky to tell which end of his Fusion Fighter is the front and which is the back.

:This toy was also released in a 2-pack with Prowl as a Wal*Mart [[exclusive]] (see below).

:If you want to be pedantic about it, the battle implied by the battle-pack pairing is technically a timeline impossibility, insofar as it depicts Cybertron Mode Megatron versus Earth Mode Optimus. It is also [[scale]]d incorrectly, as Megatron was shown as being notably larger than Optimus in "[[Transform and Roll Out]]".

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/BattleBeginsMegatron/megatron.htm More information on "The Battle Begins" Megatron at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:Animated megatron voyager.jpg|250px|thumb|Curse you, Earth's atmosphere!]]
*'''CYBERTRON Mode Megatron''' (Voyager, 2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TA-06'''
**''Accessories'': Missile

: A larger, bulkier, more detailed, and more gimmick-laden iteration of the same character design used in the deluxe-scaled versus pack toy. Note that while both modes of both toys look very similar, they have different transformation mechanisms and are not a simple upscaling/downscaling of each other. Where the deluxe version is straight silver, this version has a pearl-gray paint scheme. The figure features an [[automorph]] gimmick in the chest, which closes like a clamshell in transforming to robot mode. A second automorph gimmick is built into the energon blades on the cannon, swinging them into place to form a polearm. Red translucent plastic is heavily used throughout the figure, including in the light piping for the head and the missile for the spring-loaded cannon. Even his ''fingers'' are made of energon, it seems.

:This toy apparently had a safety modification done late on in the design process (late enough that it doesn't show up on the instructions), possibly as a result of drop test failure. The strut that holds his fusion cannon has been reinforced, and as a result, his cannon cannot be mounted flush against his arm. It is also noted that his cannon easily pops off.

:As with the smaller figure above, it's not obvious exactly what end is the front of his spaceship mode. Neither orientation really matches up to the version seen in the show, which had the fusion cannon mounted in a way that's impossible with both toys.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/VoyagerMegatron/megatron.htm More information on Cybertron Mode Megatron at TFU.info]''
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[[Image:Animated megatron leader.jpg|250px|thumb|"I kill you till you're dead!"]]
*'''Megatron''' (Leader, 2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TA-26'''
**''Accessories'' Missile, 2 rotor-swords

: Megatron's "Earth" robot mode bears a significant resemblance to Generation 1 [[Megatron (G1)#The Battlestars|Super Megatron]] from the ''Battlestars'' storyline, and thus, in turn, to his original G1 body. His alt-mode is a dual-rotored helicopter design, somewhat like an [[Incinerator (Movie)|Osprey]] [[Obsidian|helicopter]] or the [[Cobra]] Mamba. Its rotors form double-bladed swords. The fusion cannon is attached to the left arm out of the box, but it can be detached and put on either arm. It has wheels for use in vehicle mode, and if it is removed, then (undocumented) landing gear can be deployed to make up for the loss. Interestingly, it seems the alt-mode was originally intended to allow for the removal of the cannon without removal of the bottom half of the fuselage. With a fair amount of force the cannon can be popped off (and will reattach), but the cannon mount/fuselage lower half does not provide the front landing gear with sufficient clearance to fully extend. The toy has a [[Gimmick|voice chip]], activated by pressing the Decepticon symbol on his chest. If used in robot mode it says one of three quotes: "Crush the Autobots!", "Where is the AllSpark?", and (glorious) evil laughter. In helicopter mode it makes the sound of the rotors warming up, spinning, and powering down. When the cockpit is moved during transformation the classic G1/Animated [[Transformation#The noise|transformation noise]] is heard. It is compatible with the [[Headmaster (Animated)|Headmaster]] toy, but it does not change his quotes.

: The instructions leave a couple of things out. First, the shoulders should be pushed backwards/upwards for vehicle mode. This lowers the wings down and aligns the front of the engines with the back. Second, the barrel of the cannon can be rotated 180 degrees (at a separate pivot from the one at its base) for robot mode, to better match how it looks in the cartoon, with the red stripes facing his arm. Considering how padded the instructions are to mask the relatively simple transformation (two whole steps just to move the rear landing gear), leaving all this out is quite a feat. Bad Hasbro.

:There is no doubt whatsoever as to which end is the front and which is the back of his vehicle mode.

: The TakaraTomy version of the toy features a metallic silver and red paint job, and replaces the English voice clips with typically hammy Japanese ones by [[Norio Wakamoto]]: "I am Megatron" in Japanese and "Megatron, transform!" and "Fusion Cannon!" in [[Engrish]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/Megatron/megatron.htm More information on Leader Megatron at TFU.info]''

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*'''Megatron''' (McDonald's Happy Meal Toys, 2008)

:This is a very simple representation of Megatron in his Earth form. It transforms by rotating the head, lying face down and flipping the arms onto the back. The robot mode seems to have taken priority in the design process, since the vehicle mode looks like his robot mode lying down. Megatron does not come with his signature arm cannon.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/McMegatron/megatron.htm More information on McDonald's Megatron at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:Megatronanimatedactivator.jpg|250px|thumb|"Transform and shrink down!"]]
*'''Megatron''' (Activators, 2008)

:Part of the fourth wave of [[Activators]], this version of Megatron is a very simplified, roughly-Basic-sized version of his Earth mode. His spring-loaded transformation from vehicle to robot mode is activated by a single switch on the back of his copter mode.

:Despite having a cannon on the bottom of his vehicle mode, he does not possess one on either arm in robot mode.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/ActMegatron/megatron.htm More information on Activators Megatron at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:SBAniMegs..jpg|200px|thumb|I defy the Unicron Trilogy. Defy it, I say!]]
*'''Shadow Blade Megatron''' (Leader, 2008)

: A [[Black repaint|black]], grey and purple redeco of Megatron's leader class mold with a slight remolding to the tail... that's NOT called [[Megatron (Armada)/toys|Galvatron]]. YeabuhWHA?

:Surprisingly for a Hasbro produced redeco, Shadow Blade Megatron is cast entirely in black plastic with the exception of his translucent parts. His nose is not painted, so whenever his lights light up...his nose glows red.

: He has a slight molding problem that prevents him from actually moving his face when his Decepticon insignia is pressed.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/SBMegatron/megatron.htm More information on Shadow Blade Megatron at TFU.info]''

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*'''Fight of Start''' (Deluxe 2-pack, 2010)
**''Accessories'': Missile
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''VS-F'''

:For its Japanese release, "Battle Begins" Megatron was given a shinier metallic paint job (sans battle damage) and white-bordered Decepticon symbols, like the majority of the TakaraTomy ''Animated'' toys. The figure was only available in a 2-pack with a redecoed version of the Deluxe-scale CYBERTRON Mode Optimus Prime.

:The title of this set in Japanese is "hajimari no taiketsu" - which amounts to "the battle begins" when translated, but the back of the box chooses to render the phrase as "Fight of Start". [[Engrish|Oh well...]]

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[[Image:AniDXMegsGoldVersion.jpg|thumb|250px| All that glitters is gold.]]
*'''Megatron Gold Version''' (Deluxe, 2011)
**''Accessories'': Missile

:A gold-chromed version of the Deluxe-class Battle Begins Megatron, Megatron Gold Version was made available to residents of Japan via a lottery. There were several ways to enter the drawing for him: one could clip out and send in a barcode from a single standard ''Animated'' toy or a single standard ''Autobot Alliance'' live action film series toy (or four EZ Collection barcodes), '''or''' send in 5 Sega Transformers trading cards, '''or''' cut out and send in the appropriate portion of the character cards included with volumes 4 or 5 of Paramount of Japan's ''Animated'' DVDs or the "[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Transformers: Revenge]] Greatest Hits" DVD. The entry period of the drawing was November 1st, 2010 to January 16th, 2011.

:Megatron Gold Version was limited to 1,000 pieces.

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[[Image:MarauderMegatron.jpg|200px|thumb|Tonight, I dine on turtle soup!]]
*'''Marauder Megatron'''
**''Accessories:'' Missiles

:A mold of Megatron as a [[Triple Changer]] in the canceled fourth season. He has a jet mode and a tank mode, and his robot mode head has a muzzle-like plate over the mouth in a homage to ''[[Beast Machines (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'' [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]. [[Derrick J. Wyatt]] also based the design on [[Super Megatron|Super and Ultra Megatron]].[http://www.formspring.me/DerrickJWyatt/q/878717866]

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==Notes==
[[Image:AnimatedMegatronMovieHat.jpg|150px|thumb|They moonlight as lawn darts.]]

[[Image:AnimatedMegatronAltmode.jpg|150px|thumb|[[Show-accuracy]] be damned!]]

[[Image:AniMegsKatana.jpg|thumb|150px|Where is my [[fusion cannon]]?! All Megatrons should have them! ALL OF THEM, I TELL YOU!!!]]

* Megatron's pre-Earth head has a rather pointed resemblance to the somewhat early head of 2007 movie's [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], which went unused in the actual movie but appeared on loads of promotional materials and merchandise. Also in common with Movie Megatron, ''Animated'' Megatron lay inert for many years while his technology was [[Sector Seven|reverse-engineered by humans]].

* He is, additionally, [[Megatron (BW)|not the only Megatron]] to spend time as [[Grand Mal|a giant, disembodied head]].

* Megatron's cannon makes the same sound as his [[Megatron (G1)|Generation 1 counterpart]]'s weapon, except with additional effects mixed in to make it actually sound like a laser cannon and not a blender.

* Megatron's outer space alt mode, shown for all of 20 seconds, has ''two'' toy molds devoted to it. Though these "Cybertron mode" toys resemble each other, neither looks anything like the alt mode of the pre-Earth Megatron seen on the show.

* Megatron is the only one of the original 5 Decepticons in ''Animated'' actually to have a Cybertronian vehicle mode design. Although the others have different robot mode kibble before they scan their Earth modes, none of them had an alt-mode created. Having a toy helps. (This is in contrast to the Autobots, who all had Cybertronian-modes designed for them from the start, even if we didn't see them in the first episode.)

* Sumdac found Megatron's head intact in its original Cybertronian mode. The head housed in his lab, however, is essentially a damaged version of his Earth-mode head. Presumably, this change is the result of Sumdac's destructive tinkering and research over the fifty years Megatron was in stasis lock.

* According to ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac|The Allspark Almanac]]'', Megatron's Earth mode cockpit seats five.

* When he was a disembodied head, Megatron had a pupil in his right eye, similar to the Autobots. Once he regained his body, this never appeared again.

* An early image of Megatron's Earth body had slight differences from the finished product, most notably the lack of a fusion cannon and the presence of a katana instead of his twin swords. This image originally appeared as part of an Amazon.com listing for [[Transformers Animated Volume 2|volume 2]] of [[IDW Publishing]]'s screenshot-based ''[[Transformers Animated (IDW Publishing)|Transformers Animated]]'' adaption series.

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2010-11-30T05:21:15Z

Bobcat2022:

User talk:Bobcat2022

2010-11-30T04:47:41Z

Bobcat2022: New page: Apparently the only person who sees Ransack, Stockade, and Windrazor– a red T-Rex, a blue Triceratops, and a...

Apparently the only person who sees [[Ransack (Universe)|Ransack]], [[Stockade (Universe 2008)|Stockade]], and [[Windrazor (Universe)|Windrazor]]– a red T-Rex, a blue Triceratops, and a pink Pterodactyl– and thinks "Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers".

Toy Fair 2010

2010-11-30T04:28:37Z

Bobcat2022: /* Legends */ changed "as same as" to "as with"

[[Image:ToyFair2010.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Not pictured: 30 feet of snow]]

'''Toy Fair 2010''', hosted in [[New York City]] from [[February 14]]–[[February 17|17]], boasts "over 20,000 attendies, 350,000 square feet of exhibit space, 100,000 products with over 7,000 never before seen in the world, 1200+ exhibitors, [and] 1000 global media representatives."

{{SITENAME}} was invited to [[Hasbro]]'s '''2010 Collector-Fan Media Day''' at ''The Times Center'' on Saturday, [[February 13]], and wiki contributors [[David Willis]] and [[Greg Sepelak]] attended. Following a presentation starting at 1pm, fan representatives were allowed into Hasbro's product showroom.

==Coverage==
<center><gallery>
Image:ToyFair2010-outside.jpg|Waiting outside Hasbro's Toy Fair showroom
Image:ToyFair2010-statue.jpg|Once let inside for check-in, Bumblebee stands guard
Image:ToyFair2010-tfwikicom.jpg|Our URL is what, now?
Image:ToyFair2010-presentation.jpg|No photos or video allowed! Unless you're from Seibertron.com.
Image:ToyFair2010-Transformersarea.jpg|[http://www.asmzine.com That man] will take better pictures than us.
</gallery></center>

===Revenge of the Fallen/Adjectiveless Transformers===
*Hasbro wants a "broader scope," and hopes to "reinvent" the line as one that isn't specifically tied to the live-action film, though it may contain characters from it. It will be a general celebration of Transformers.
*A "HUNT FOR DECEPTICONS" promotion will accompany the line. Codes can be found in packages that will "unlock" mini-games on Transformers.com.

====Legends====
*[[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]]
*[[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]] (New mold, not the same as the Devastator one)
*[[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]] (New mold, as with Rampage)
*[[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]] (Classics [[Beachcomber (G1)|Beachcomber]] redeco)
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Fireburst Optimus Prime]] (redeco)
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Cyberfire Bumblebee]] (redeco)

<center>
<gallery>
Image:ToyFair2010-LegendsLongHaul.jpg
Image:ToyFair2010-LegendsRampage.jpg
Image:ToyFair2010-LegendsRavage.jpg
</gallery>
</center>

====Scouts====
*[[Hubcap (TF 2010)|Hubcap]] (Autobot muscle car)
*[[Brimstone (TF 2010)|Brimstone]] (Decepticon chopper cycle)
*[[Crankstart]] (Decepticon Dune Runner redeco)
*[[Backfire (TF 2010)|Backfire]] (Autobot Knock-Out redeco)
*[[Insecticon (Movie)|Insecticon]] (insect thing from movie)
*[[Breacher]] (SWAT vehicle who fits on Sea Spray)

<center>
<gallery>
Image:ToyFair2010-ScoutBrimstone.jpg|Brimstone
Image:ToyFair2010-ScoutBackfire.jpg|Backfire
Image:ToyFair2010-ScoutBackfirebio.jpg|Backfire's cardback
Image:ToyFair2010-ScoutHubcap.jpg|Hubcap
</gallery>
</center>

====Deluxe====
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] w/ drone unit
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Battle Blade Bumblebee]] (all new)
*[[Jetblade]] (redeco of [[Dirge (ROTF)|Dirge]])
*[[Ravage (ROTF)|Sea Attack Ravage]]
*[[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sidearm Sideswipe]] (new mold with guns instead of swords)
*[[Hailstorm (TF 2010)|Hailstorm]] (he's [[Mindset]])
*[[Elita-1 (ROTF)|Elita-1]] ([[Chromia (ROTF)|Chromia]] black/purple redeco, instructions for combination will be online)
<center>
<gallery>
Image:ToyFair2010-DeluxeBumblebee.jpg|Bumblebee
Image:ToyFair2010-DeluxeIronhide.jpg|Ironhide
Image:ToyFair2010-DeluxeJetblade.jpg|Jetblade
</gallery></center>

====Voyager====
*[[Sea Spray]]
*[[Ratchet (Movie)|Night Ops Ratchet]] (redeco)
*[[Payload (Movie)|Payload]] (yellow Long Haul)
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Battle Blades Optimus Prime]] (new mold with [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]])
<center><gallery>
Image:ToyFair2010-VoyagerPayload.jpg|Payload
Image:ToyFair2010-VoyagerRatchet.jpg|Night Ops Ratchet
Image:ToyFair2010-VoyagerSeaSpray.jpg|Sea Spray
</gallery></center>

====Leader====
*[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Battle Hooks Optimus Prime]] with hooks, "battle damage" paint and the mouth face from Buster Optimus Prime
<center><gallery>
Image:ToyFair2010-LeaderStarscreamPrime.jpg
Image:ToyFair2010-LeaderPrimeface.jpg
</gallery></center>

====Human Alliance====
*[[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]] w/ [[William Lennox|Lennox]] (shield gun becomes motorcycle)

====Battle Ops Bumblebee====
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Battle Ops Bumblebee]]

<center>
<gallery>
Image:ToyFair2010-BattleOpsBumblebee.jpg
</gallery>
</center>

====Activators====
*[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]

====Powerbots====
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Stealth Bumblebee]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]

====Roleplay====
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] Cyber Sword

====SpeedStars/Action Fleet====
*Stealth Force, larger vehicles with pop-out weaponry
*A boatload of new R.P.M-scale toys, including characters in robot mode, in midtransformation, and cars with giant wheels
*The Bumblebee Track Set, featuring vehicle-mode Bumblebee versus a static backdrop of Optimus Prime and Megatron battling

<center><gallery>
Image:ToyFair2010-RPMshelf3.jpg
Image:ToyFair2010-RPMshelf2.jpg
Image:ToyFair2010-RPMshelf1.jpg
Image:ToyFair2010-RPMPrimeweapons.jpg
Image:ToyFair2010-RPMGears.jpg
Image:ToyFair2010-RPMHoundMegatron.jpg
</gallery></center>

===Generations===
*[[Drift (G1)|Autobot Drift]]
*[[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] (''Gentei! Gentei!'' mold)
*Darkmount (motherfriggin' [[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]] triple changer)
*Bumblebee (''War for Cybertron'')
*Optimus Prime (''War for Cybertron'')
*Megatron (''War for Cybertron'')
<center>
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Image:ToyFair2010-GenDrift.jpg|[[Drift (G1)|Autobot Drift]]
Image:ToyFair2010-GenBumblebee.jpg|''[[War for Cybertron]]'' [[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]]
Image:ToyFair2010-GenPrime.jpg|''[[War for Cybertron]]'' [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]]
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===Power Core Combiners===
====Commander 2-packs====
Every Commander figure has two heads—one for robot, one for torso. Torso mode can combine with 5-pack drones (see below). Standard Mini-Con Powerlinx points!
* [[Huffer (PCC)|Huffer]] (semi cab) and [[Caliburst (PCC)|Caliburst]]
* [[Smolder]] (fire department brush truck) and [[Chopster]] (axe)
* [[Searchlight (PCC)|Searchlight]] (rescue helicopter) and [[Backwind]] (winch)
* [[Icepick (PCC)|Icepick]] (arctic vehicle) and [[Chainclaw (PCC)|Chainclaw]]
* [[Leadfoot (PCC)|Leadfoot]] (F1 racer) and [[Pinpoint]]
* [[Sledge (PCC)|Sledge]] (construction vehicle) and [[Throttler]] (drill)

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Image:ToyFair2010-PCCSledge.jpg|[[Sledge (PCC)|Sledge]] and [[Throttler]]
Image:ToyFair2010-PCCIcepick.jpg|[[Icepick (PCC)|Icepick]] and [[Chainclaw (PCC)|Chainclaw]]
Image:ToyFair2010-PCCSearchlight.jpg|[[Searchlight (PCC)|Searchlight]] and Huffer's partner [[Caliburst (PCC)|Caliburst]]
Image:ToyFair2010-PCCHuffer.jpg|[[Huffer (PCC)|Huffer]] and Caliburst
Image:ToyFair2010-PCCSmolder.jpg|[[Smolder]] and [[Chopster]]
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====5-packs====
1 core robot/vehicle & 4 drone-vehicle limbs. Drones can attach to any Commander 2-pack bot to make new combinations. Arm-drones and leg-drones cannot swap functions. Automatic "deploy" transformation when they attach, automatic retract to vehicle when detached. Each drone has Mini-Con powerlinx hardpoints.

* [[Bombshock (PCC)|Bombshock]] ([[Combaticon (PCC)|Combaticons]])
* [[Skyburst]] ([[Aerialbot (PCC)|Aerialbots]])
* [[Double Clutch (PCC)|Double Clutch]] ([[Rallybot]]s)
* [[Mudslinger (PCC)|Mudslinger]] ([[Destructicon (PCC)|Destructicon]]s)

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Image:ToyFair2010-PCCBombshock.jpg|Bombshock combined with his Combaticons
Image:ToyFair2010-PCCSkyburst.jpg|Skyburst combined with his Aerialbots
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===Exclusives===
*Masterpiece [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] with crown (Toys R Us)
*[[Starscream (Movie)|Nebular Starscream]] (Kmart)
* Reissue Generation 1 [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] with [[Eject]], [[Steeljaw (G1)|Steeljaw]], and [[Ramhorn]] (Comic-Con)
* Mighty Muggs Prowl (Comic-Con exclusive)

===Crossovers===

====Star Wars====
*[[Yoda]] as a [[Republic Shuttle]]
*[[Cad Bane]] as the ''[[Xanadu Blood]]''
*[[Darth Vader|Anakin Skywalker]] as a [[Y-wing]]
*[[Obi-Wan Kenobi]] as a [[Jedi Starfighter]]
*Clone Commander [[Rex]] as a [[Freeco Bike]]

====Marvel====
*[[Iron Man]] (Car)
*[[Iron Man]] / [[War Machine]] two-pack combiner
*[[Spider-Man]] (Race Car, black redeco)
*[[Ghost Rider|GHOST RIDER]]

==Notes==
*While the Toy Fair ''Transformers'' press release rechristened the [[Robot Powered Machines]] range "Action Fleet", the packaging at Toy Fair featured the name "SpeedStars". "SpeedStars" ended up being the final name for the line.

==External links==
*[http://www.hasbro.com/corporate/media/press-releases/HASBRO-S-TRANSFORMERS-BRAND-EXPANDS-MORE-THAN-MEETS-THE-EYE-UNIVERSE-IN-2010-WITH-NEW-TOYS-AND-PROMOTIONS-THAT-CAPTURE-THE-EXCITEMENT-AND-ENTERTAINMENT-OF-THE-ICONIC-PROPERTY.cfm Official Hasbro Transformers Toy Fair press release]
*[http://toyfair10.asmzine.com/ Toy Fair 2010 at ASMZine.com]
*[http://toyfair10.asmzine.com/gallery/hasbro/hasbro-transformers-press-kit/index.html ASMZine.com's Toy Fair 2010 Hasbro Transformers press kit gallery]
*[http://toyfair10.asmzine.com/gallery/hasbro/hasbro-transformers/index.html ASMZine.com's Toy Fair 2010 Transformers booth gallery]

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