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		<title>Bob Budiansky</title>
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		<updated>2008-05-29T00:01:19Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Botch the Crab: /* Transformers comics credits */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{picsneeded|Higher quality and/or more recent photo}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Bobbudiansky.jpg|thumb|right|Not actually Kirk Cameron. You can tell because he writes about [[Earth]] being millions of years old.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Bob Budiansky&#039;&#039;&#039; was the writer of most of the [[Generation 1 (Marvel comic)|Marvel US &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; comic book]] series and the creator of much of the mythos, characters, and names behind the first several years of the franchise.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In late 1983, [[Hasbro]] approached Marvel Comics to create a storyline around a series of transforming toy robots they had licensed from Takara.  Editors [[Denny O&#039;Neil]] and [[Jim Shooter]] created some of the early background for &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039;, including several names, but much of the material for the first 28 characters was rejected by Hasbro. Revision duties were passed to editor/writer Bob Budiansky, who renamed most of the characters and revised the personalities.  Though [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] was named by O&#039;Neil, Bob Budiansky is responsible for the names of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]], [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]], and countless others.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Due to its success, &#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; four-issue miniseries became an ongoing. Bob Budiansky was moved from editing duties to writer. It was in these years that he developed popular characters [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]], and [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] into the roles they&#039;re famous for today. He also created the concept of the Autobot [[Creation Matrix|Matrix]]. Budiansky continued to write [[bio]]s and name characters until the end of the original series.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Towards the end of his time on the comic book series, Budiansky started to feel fatigue. It was complicated and frustrating, from a story-crafting point of view, [[to sell toys|to introduce so many new characters in so few issues]]. At Budiansky&#039;s recommendation, the writer of the Marvel UK &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; comic, [[Simon Furman]], took over Budiansky&#039;s duties on the US comic.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
An artist as well, Budianksy also drew several covers for &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; and pencilled his final issue.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Outside of &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; Budiansky is perhaps best known for drawing &#039;&#039;Ghost Rider&#039;&#039;, creating &#039;&#039;Sleepwalker&#039;&#039; and writing the entire series, and serving as group editor-in-chief of the &#039;&#039;[[Spider-Man]]&#039;&#039; titles between 1994 &amp;amp; 1995.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{-}}&lt;br /&gt;
==&#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; comics credits==&lt;br /&gt;
Marvel &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; (US):  &lt;br /&gt;
:Editor - Issues 1-4&lt;br /&gt;
:Writer - Issues 5-15, 17-32, 35-42, 44-55&lt;br /&gt;
:Penciller - Issue 55&lt;br /&gt;
:Cover Artist - Issues 14, 29, 31, 45, 47&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Marvel &#039;&#039;Transformers Universe&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:Writer/Consulting Editor - Issues 1-4&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Marvel &#039;&#039;[[The Transformers: The Movie]]&#039;&#039; comic adaptation&lt;br /&gt;
:Editor - Issues 1-3&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;Headmasters&#039;&#039; mini-series&lt;br /&gt;
:Writer - Issues 1-4&lt;br /&gt;
:Cover Artist - Issue 1&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
IDW &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: The Animated Movie]]&#039;&#039; comic adaptation&lt;br /&gt;
:Writer - Issues 1-4&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Budianskyisms==&lt;br /&gt;
Though not as prominent or well-remembered as the so-called &amp;quot;[[Furmanism]]s&amp;quot; that successor writer Simon Furman would popularize, Bob Budiansky also had a few turns of phrase that he repeatedly fell back on:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:thetorquerifle.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Enjoy a nice serving of Brown Betty, with DEATH!!  But mostly, eat death.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;quot;Have some (X), courtesy of my (Y)!&amp;quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
::where&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
::&amp;quot;X&amp;quot; = some form of damage, dismemberment or death&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
::&amp;quot;Y&amp;quot; = the special weapon of the character in question&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::Examples:&lt;br /&gt;
:: &amp;quot;Have some metal-eating slime, courtesy of my [[slime gun]], Autobots!&amp;quot;—Blot {{storylink|Brothers in Armor!!}}&lt;br /&gt;
:: &amp;quot;Have a mechanical malfunction, courtesy of my [[concussion cannon]]!&amp;quot;—Breakdown {{storylink|Heavy Traffic!}}&lt;br /&gt;
:: &amp;quot;Just a case of bad balance, courtesy of my [[electro-scrambler]].&amp;quot;—Blaster {{storylink|The Bridge to Nowhere!}}&lt;br /&gt;
:: &amp;quot;Energy feedback, courtesy of my electro-scrambler, tinhead.&amp;quot;—Blaster {{storylink|Totaled!}}&lt;br /&gt;
:: &amp;quot;You&#039;re going on a one-way trip, [[Monzo]], courtesy of my [[anti-gravity gun]]!&amp;quot;—Skullcruncher {{storylink|Love and Steel!}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;quot;I hope you (A) as well as you (B)!&amp;quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
::where&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
::&amp;quot;A&amp;quot; = perform some action, typically shooting&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
::&amp;quot;B&amp;quot; = boast, brag, or some other meaningless non-action&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::Examples:&lt;br /&gt;
:: &amp;quot;You &#039;&#039;boast&#039;&#039; better than you &#039;&#039;shoot&#039;&#039;, Dreadwind!&amp;quot;—Goldbug {{storylink|People Power!}}&lt;br /&gt;
:: &amp;quot;Grrr—I hope you &#039;&#039;shoot&#039;&#039; straighter than you &#039;&#039;think&#039;&#039;, Weirdwolf!&amp;quot;—Skullcruncher {{storylink|Trial by Fire!}}&lt;br /&gt;
:: &amp;quot;Only if you &#039;&#039;aim&#039;&#039; as well as you &#039;&#039;brag&#039;&#039;, Brawl!&amp;quot;—First Aid {{storylink|Used Autobots}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;quot;This wasn&#039;t in (Z)!&amp;quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
::where&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
::&amp;quot;Z&amp;quot; = amusingly bureaucratic item with no bearing on the situation at hand.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::Examples:&lt;br /&gt;
::&amp;quot;This...this wasn&#039;t in my job description!&amp;quot;—anonymous railway worker {{storylink|Child&#039;s Play}}&lt;br /&gt;
::&amp;quot;This wasn&#039;t on the trail guide!&amp;quot;—anonymous skier {{storylink|The Man in the Machine!}}&lt;br /&gt;
::&amp;quot;None of this was in the rehearsal!&amp;quot;—Sky Lynx {{storylink|The Cosmic Carnival!}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==External links==&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.alteredstatesmag.com/features/qanda/bbudiansky_1.php A Little Q&amp;amp;A with Bob Budiansky]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.bwtf.com/interviews/bb204.shtml Bob Budiansky Interview]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/32bc08f5d9b4678b? Transcript of Budiansky/Furman panel from OTFCC 2004]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/80a6fffaad63aa8d? Transcript of Budiansky/Figueroa panel from Iacon One]&lt;br /&gt;
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{{DEFAULTSORT:Budiansky, Bob}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category: Convention guests]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category: Editors]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category: IDW]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category: Illustrators]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category: Marvel Comics]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category: Writers]]&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Botch the Crab</name></author>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Package_art&amp;diff=167028</id>
		<title>Talk:Package art</title>
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		<updated>2008-03-11T02:12:11Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Botch the Crab: /* Richard Marcej */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Beast Machines ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I think... I &#039;&#039;theeeeenk&#039;&#039;... that the only instances of CGI models being used on the packaging were for the Mega toys, and they didn&#039;t actually appear on the FRONT of the boxes (Cheetor might&#039;ve still been there?), but on the BACK, in the vicinity of the bio-card. I know this was definitely the case with Tankor... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 00:32, 27 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Optimus Prime==&lt;br /&gt;
I won&#039;t argue too hard against replacing a run-of-the-mill Ordinary Joe example with the Shining Icon -- Prime&#039;s art was my first thought when I was starting this page --  but I &#039;&#039;really&#039;&#039; don&#039;t want to see this article become burdened with a ton of Optimus Prime images.   Better to stick with a wide variety of characters.   Also, I really liked the Rollbar art because it so aptly illustrates the exaggeration inherent in most G1 art; it&#039;d be nice to find a home for it on this page somewhere. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 07:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I wanted to use G1 Prime&#039;s art because it&#039;s the most well known and one of the best 1984 art. Supercon Armada Prime&#039;s art is there because it&#039;s the only neutral white background packaging art from Armada that I know of on this wiki (the other being Powerlinx Optimus Prime). As for exaggeration, I&#039;d say that&#039;s mostly for the first half of G1. During the Masters era and there after, the standard of packaging art was quite high. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Eh.  Thunderwing there has about 50 joints, none of which exist on his toys.  (Still not as extreme as the Throttlebots, though.  At least his toy HAS joints.  And feet.) -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 07:35, 27 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Oh, you mean the art making the character (and thus the toy) look like they have natural joints and articulation that allows the cool posing that toys today can&#039;t even dream of doing? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:55, 27 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==The movie&#039;s &amp;quot;computer-rendered&amp;quot; headshots==&lt;br /&gt;
Do we really know those are CGI?  They could very easily be paintings.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:01, 25 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I was about to say. I&#039;m pretty sure they&#039;re paintings. I&#039;m sure the movie bots&#039; headshots use CGI renders as a BASE, but do we really think they made CGI models of allllllll the non-movie bots&#039; noggins? I severely doubt it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:09, 25 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, that was just me making an ass-umption, working from memory and without looking too carefully.  I&#039;ll readily defer to your more artistically-experienced judgment.  On close inspection they pretty obviously aren&#039;t the movie models. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 18:12, 25 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Links from Botch&#039;s Site; Question about mirroring==&lt;br /&gt;
Hey hey, it&#039;s Botch. I wanted to mention that I put up a link to this page from the homepage of my [http://www.botchthecrab.com/archive Box Art Archive]. In truth, I was hoping there was some way that I could mirror an edited version of the contents of this page via a feed of some sort, but I haven&#039;t found any information or utility for that yet. My hope was&lt;br /&gt;
* Allow people to read the history of TF box/character art without leaving my site&lt;br /&gt;
* Advertise this Wiki and encourage people to visit and contribute. &lt;br /&gt;
So if anyone has any opinions on all of this, feel free to shout them at me. -- [[User:Botch the Crab|Botch the Crab]] 02:47, 9 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I don&#039;t think wikia sites have any kind of feed, but I&#039;m not the expert.  It&#039;s open source, so there&#039;s nothing to stop you from reproducing the content on your page in some form or other, but that wouldn&#039;t have live updating, of course.  Regardless, the link is appreciated! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 03:49, 9 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Richard Marcej==&lt;br /&gt;
This fellow&#039;s page shows instruction sheet line art, not package art paintings.  I&#039;m gonna guess that he was copying the paintings, rather than vice versa.  Anybody got facts to the contrary? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 03:49, 9 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Marcej did the line art upon which both the final box art and instruction sheet art were based. The instruction sheet renderings all appear to be simplified versions of Marcej&#039;s renderings, and the box art looks like final painted versions (with all the detail). I compared several of the character&#039;s instruction sheet art and box art against Marcej&#039;s art and what I said above seems universally the case.&lt;br /&gt;
:As far as &#039;facts&#039; (beyond what he presents on his site), Marcej even put out a [http://www.baboonbooks.com/merchandise/merchandise.html small book of illustrations] from his time as a Hasbro package designer. Honestly, based on the line art he&#039;s presented, I see no reason to doubt his word that he was at least the penciller/inker for all the box art I credited to him. &lt;br /&gt;
:There was an interview with him on Seibertron.com that is currently down, but I have asked them to restore it. It&#039;s [http://www.seibertron.com/people/interviews/view.php?interview_id=18 here], working or otherwise. -- [[User:Botch the Crab|Botch the Crab]] 02:12, 11 March 2008 (UTC)&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Botch the Crab</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Package_art&amp;diff=167026</id>
		<title>Talk:Package art</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Package_art&amp;diff=167026"/>
		<updated>2008-03-09T02:47:48Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Botch the Crab: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;== Beast Machines ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I think... I &#039;&#039;theeeeenk&#039;&#039;... that the only instances of CGI models being used on the packaging were for the Mega toys, and they didn&#039;t actually appear on the FRONT of the boxes (Cheetor might&#039;ve still been there?), but on the BACK, in the vicinity of the bio-card. I know this was definitely the case with Tankor... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 00:32, 27 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Optimus Prime==&lt;br /&gt;
I won&#039;t argue too hard against replacing a run-of-the-mill Ordinary Joe example with the Shining Icon -- Prime&#039;s art was my first thought when I was starting this page --  but I &#039;&#039;really&#039;&#039; don&#039;t want to see this article become burdened with a ton of Optimus Prime images.   Better to stick with a wide variety of characters.   Also, I really liked the Rollbar art because it so aptly illustrates the exaggeration inherent in most G1 art; it&#039;d be nice to find a home for it on this page somewhere. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 07:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I wanted to use G1 Prime&#039;s art because it&#039;s the most well known and one of the best 1984 art. Supercon Armada Prime&#039;s art is there because it&#039;s the only neutral white background packaging art from Armada that I know of on this wiki (the other being Powerlinx Optimus Prime). As for exaggeration, I&#039;d say that&#039;s mostly for the first half of G1. During the Masters era and there after, the standard of packaging art was quite high. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Eh.  Thunderwing there has about 50 joints, none of which exist on his toys.  (Still not as extreme as the Throttlebots, though.  At least his toy HAS joints.  And feet.) -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 07:35, 27 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Oh, you mean the art making the character (and thus the toy) look like they have natural joints and articulation that allows the cool posing that toys today can&#039;t even dream of doing? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:55, 27 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==The movie&#039;s &amp;quot;computer-rendered&amp;quot; headshots==&lt;br /&gt;
Do we really know those are CGI?  They could very easily be paintings.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:01, 25 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I was about to say. I&#039;m pretty sure they&#039;re paintings. I&#039;m sure the movie bots&#039; headshots use CGI renders as a BASE, but do we really think they made CGI models of allllllll the non-movie bots&#039; noggins? I severely doubt it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:09, 25 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, that was just me making an ass-umption, working from memory and without looking too carefully.  I&#039;ll readily defer to your more artistically-experienced judgment.  On close inspection they pretty obviously aren&#039;t the movie models. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 18:12, 25 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Links from Botch&#039;s Site; Question about mirroring==&lt;br /&gt;
Hey hey, it&#039;s Botch. I wanted to mention that I put up a link to this page from the homepage of my [http://www.botchthecrab.com/archive Box Art Archive]. In truth, I was hoping there was some way that I could mirror an edited version of the contents of this page via a feed of some sort, but I haven&#039;t found any information or utility for that yet. My hope was&lt;br /&gt;
* Allow people to read the history of TF box/character art without leaving my site&lt;br /&gt;
* Advertise this Wiki and encourage people to visit and contribute. &lt;br /&gt;
So if anyone has any opinions on all of this, feel free to shout them at me. -- [[User:Botch the Crab|Botch the Crab]] 02:47, 9 March 2008 (UTC)&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Botch the Crab</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User:Botch_the_Crab&amp;diff=147500</id>
		<title>User:Botch the Crab</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User:Botch_the_Crab&amp;diff=147500"/>
		<updated>2007-08-14T18:51:30Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Botch the Crab: New page: This be &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Botch the Crab&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;.   I&amp;#039;m the Decepticon behind [http://www.botchthecrab.com/archive Botch&amp;#039;s Transformers Box Art Archive], &amp;#039;&amp;#039;the&amp;#039;&amp;#039; destination for scans of Generation 1 ...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;This be &#039;&#039;&#039;Botch the Crab&#039;&#039;&#039;. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m the [[Decepticon]] behind [http://www.botchthecrab.com/archive Botch&#039;s Transformers Box Art Archive], &#039;&#039;the&#039;&#039; destination for scans of [[Generation 1]] Transformers box art (as well as accompanying [[tech specs]] and [[instructions]]). And I&#039;m very modest about it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m also rather new to this whole wiki thing, so be gentle.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You can read more about [http://www.botchthecrab.com/about/botch.asp Botch] and [http://www.botchthecrab.com/about/adam.asp Adam Alexander] (Botch&#039;s human master) on their [http://www.botchthecrab.com blog].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;hr&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In putting this together, I just realized that there&#039;s no page on this wiki for tech specs or instructions. Might have to do something about that.&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Botch the Crab</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Botch_the_Crab&amp;diff=147498</id>
		<title>User talk:Botch the Crab</title>
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		<updated>2007-08-14T18:36:37Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Botch the Crab: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Hey, welcome to the TF wiki! Just to clarify, you&#039;re the dude whose site has a database of TF box art scans, right? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:07, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I am that same dude, yes. I am still relatively new to the whole wiki thing and its protocols. I will work on getting myself up to date. Maybe I should briefly update my, um, &amp;quot;User Page&amp;quot;? --[[User:Botch the Crab|Botch the Crab]] 18:36, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Talk:Shockwave (G1)</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Botch the Crab: Shockwave Variants page proposal&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;There was a rumor for a long time that Shockwave was killed in TF:TM.  If he can indeed be spotted in Season 3, the name of the episode should be included here.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 17:19, 24 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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He was killed in the script to the movie, but that part was not animated, or at least not animated clearly so you could see him die.  Shockwave does appear in later episodes in group shots, but then, these same group shots have combiner super robots standing next to their components and zombie versions of Brawn.  Shockwave&#039;s post-movie status is indeterminable.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:33, 24 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Wasn&#039;t there a laser-disc floating around which had large portions of Shockwave&#039;s personality encoded onto it?  Even if he did actually DIE, there&#039;s certainly precedence for Transformers being resurrected from that kind of backup.--[[User:TheTurnipKing|TheTurnipKing]] 06:32, 25 April 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Perhaps you&#039;re referring to the disc that Shockwave gave to the Predacons in US issue #25.  I&#039;ve always assumed that the extent of Shockwave&#039;s personality on that disc was largely a claim made by Shockwave calculated to make Megatron think of Optimus Prime, driving him further into madness.  I&#039;m not sure the claim is meant to be taken seriously, but it &#039;&#039;is&#039;&#039; up for interpretation.  In any event, this was a comic continuity occurrence, and wouldn&#039;t have anything to do with the cartoon Shockwave&#039;s post-movie status.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 13:44, 25 April 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Only thing is, how could Shockwave have made Megatron deliberately think of Prime with that reference, since it was never implied that Shockwave was even aware of the fact that Optimus Prime wasn&#039;t actually dead, let alone that his personality was stored on a floppy disc? It always seemed like a coincidence too perfect to me. [[User:Takeshi357|Takeshi357]] 15:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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This page totally needs a screenshot of Shockwave with the Himself Gun.  --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 20:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Consider it done. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:59, 8 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yay! --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 21:34, 8 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Wow..  I don&#039;t think there&#039;s much more to add here! --[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 22:36, 11 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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it would be better if season 3 pictures of Shockwave can be found.&lt;br /&gt;
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Could those season 3 episodes Five Faces of Darkness, Part 3 and Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4 animation errors be his clones?.&lt;br /&gt;
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Should the prototype photo be included in the article?&lt;br /&gt;
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== Shockwave Variants page ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey guys. I&#039;m considering making a page dedicated to the multiple variant versions of Shockwave, such as Astro Magnum and the Four Star Astrogun. A couple of these are already mentioned in the G1 toy section of Shockwave&#039;s page. I figured a dedicated page would be better, and the Shockwave G1 toy section can mention and link to it. &lt;br /&gt;
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I wanted to do it on the wiki because:&lt;br /&gt;
a) it&#039;s a strong part of Shockwave&#039;s history;&lt;br /&gt;
b) it would be helpful to fans trying to identify their Shockwave variants (no other really good page online does this);&lt;br /&gt;
c) I&#039;m not the foremost expert on the topic, so it would benefit from community revision;&lt;br /&gt;
d) Shockwave is awesome.&lt;br /&gt;
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I ran this buy [[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] and he said he would support it. He said if I wanted to be conservative about it I should post here in advance first. So here I post.&lt;br /&gt;
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On the assumption that no one will object, I&#039;ll start working on the page soon.&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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