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==The Thirteen and the other conversation we've been waiting for==

Over the last few years, the Thirteen have played a major role in multiple ''Transformers'' stories. However, this prominence—combined with Hasbro's increasingly loose approach their in-universe lore—has also led to increasingly divergent portrayals of the group and its individual members.

Around 2015, we took the step of consolidating all the different incarnations of the Thirteen on one page for each, with the rationale that the characters were former [[multiversal singularity|multiversal singularities]], and mostly shared similar backstories and personalities between incarnations. However, even at the time, this was not a completely ideal comporomise. Most notably, the various [[Alpha Trion]]s were not consolidated into one, partly due to length and partly because the existence of his [[Alpha Trion#Shattered Glass|murderously insane evil counterpart]] represented a massive contradiction to the entire notion.

However, over the years, multiple authors have drastically reinterpreted the Thirteen and their story. The role of "Thirteenth Prime" has been filled by multiple contradictory characters—[[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]], [[Zeta Prime (One)|Zeta Prime]], [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]—and individual depictions of the Primes themselves have grown increasingly divergent. "Shattered Glass" Alpha Trion is no longer the outlier, but rather an increasing trend: for instance, ''Transformers One'' features a completely heroic Megatronus who never becomes The Fallen, a Liege Maximo that looks nothing like Loki, and an incarnation of Nexus Prime that does not seem to be a combiner. With these data points in mind—and the potential for even further divergence in the coming years—I and several other editors feel that it may be time to reorganize our Thirteen coverage, splitting them out into individual [[continuity family]]-based incarnations the way we would for stock characters like [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime]], [[Bumblebee (disambiguation)|Bumblebee]], etc.

However, if we do adopt this approach, some further problems would need to be solved.

* '''How do we handle toys?''' With a few exceptions like ''Revenge of the Fallen'' The Fallen, the toys of the Thirteen are clearly meant to be somewhat continuity-agnostic. ''Age of the Primes'' Solus Prime is about as faithful to her depiction in ''The Covenant of Primus'' as it is to ''One'' or any of the IDW comics in which she appears. Even if we count them as "repurposes" across multiple pages, the format of the wiki means they'd have to be based ''somewhere''...

* '''FunPub stuff''': The Vector Prime of "Ask Vector Prime" is clearly meant to be a version of the same Vector Prime who appeared in the ''Cybertron'' cartoon, but at the same time makes reference to off-camera events, such as a time when he and the Thirteen lived in Ancient Greece—would we make a separate "FunPub" page for the Thirteen, or try and work these events onto Unicron Trilogy pages when necessary? Other similar problems exist: "[[Coalescence]]" is a story that features a movie universe Fallen jumping into the world of ''Shattered Glass'', and AVP established that "The Evil One" of GoBots fame, is another alternate-universe incarnation of The Fallen/Megatronus.

Feedback on this proposal is appreciated! [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 11:50, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:From my point of view, I think as it stands right now my thoughts on the Thirteenth Prime stuff is that I absolutely understand the concerns, but for me personally it kind of falls into the same view as like, IDW Primus being Rung, which I think our current model handles fairly well. For the other Primes, I'm tempted to say that like...as it stands, there's about as much divergence there as like, Unicron as he's depicted in The Last Knight (not really shown to be aggressive beyond being called Cybertron's enemy), and as it stands right now, I don't think that's enough to say there should be a full-on split, but I do think it's worth thinking about future-proofing. And I suppose my main concern right now about pushing ahead too soon is in the event there's some fiction accompanying the Age of the Primes stuff; certainly, the fact that we're getting a toy of the Fallen with the Megatronus name but with the original Dreamwave design does make me hesitant that there might be some further consolidation of disparate elements; and I remember that last time we did this in the early 2010s was that we figured the idea of the Aligned Primes not having any connections to the others was going to be the standard going forward, which turned out not to be the case, and I figure it might be worth considering if something like that happens again. But! I am open to ideas of how to implement this if we do go for it; I think the suite options we have for Primus and Unicron work perfectly fine if we go for something like that. Just figure it's worth considering the stuff I've brought up here first. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:35, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::Right now, I'm leaning toward the camp of not splitting them out for all the reasons you've given. I look at our current situation and, while not perfect, I feel that things can be tidied up simply with some "Conceptual history" sections for the pages that need them. The aforementioned Vector Prime is a particular case not just for everything stated about him above, but because [[Vector Prime: In the Beginning|his very first Fub Pub appearance]] written by [[Forest Lee]] leans so heavily far into the multiversal aspect of the character that it doesn't treat him like he is a native to the Cybertron cartoon universe but rather to the whole multiverse itself. Similarly, Nexus Prime was also continuity-agnostic by his very nature from the ground up. The safest solution for splitting him out would be to classify his Fun Pub incarnation under "(Timelines)" (the previous "(Classics)" tag we had him under was bleh), but that's typically a last-resort tag we have tried to avoid in the past.
::Regarding The Fallen, while he does tend to be evil in a majority of his depictions, and has had a few outlier cases where he either didn't go bad at all (TF One) or was the victim of other's manipulations (Covenant), it's implied that the majority of those evil versions weren't always evil from the start, and only went bad later. The TF One version of Megatronus never turned to the dark side, but one could argue that he was murdered before he ever would have gotten the chance to. ;-)
::Regarding the Thirteenth Prime and various conflicting the depictions, we solved that issue by simply creating the "[[Thirteenth Prime]]" article to explain everything there.
::You mention the situation with Alpha Trion, and I get it. The biggest reasons for simply not merging all of his pages together were that A) he was never originally meant to be one of the Thirteen since the original Dreamwave-based lore for the Thirteen had them all die before A3 was even born, and B) his Shattered Glass self. I used to be a proponent for keeping all of his versions separate because of A, but in the time since then we've had more and more depictions of him as a 13er who were all still pretty much the same as his traditional pre-Aligned depictions. If we were to merge all of his versions together, a "Conceptual history" section for him could explain the whole "Sometimes he's a 13er, sometimes he's not" situation.
::BUT, there still remains his SG version, which I wouldn't feel comfortable putting on the same page as his other versions. Reaching back to the [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Transformers:_Shattered_Glass_(franchise)#Separate_Continuity.3F original discussion] about how to handle the SG characters, I find myself still agreeing with those like Steve-o who pointed out how awkward "'''Continuity X''': Bumblebee loves humans and does lots of funny and cute stuff to help save the universe. '''Continuity Y''': Bumblebee loves humans and does lots of different but still funny and cute stuff to help save the universe. '''Shattered Glass''': Bumblebee is hardcore evil and wants to kill you for no particular reason. '''Continuity Z''': Bumblebee loves humans and does yet another set of funny and cute stuff to help save the universe." reads as a page. But, there is one thing we have nowadays that we did not have back when that original discussion was held and makes me wonder how differently the conversation might have gone if they had existed back then: Subpages. Looking at our [[Primus]] and [[Unicron]] articles, I find it to be a very fair and workable compromise that their respective SG versions are placed not on their respective main pages but as subpages for each. Doing the same for SG Alpha Trion were we to merge all of the non-SG A3's together could be a valid solution too, in my eyes. Unlike others, I don't see subpages as an annoying evil that much be dealt with and eliminated, but as a handy tool to work around tricky situations like this.
::Had they even existed back then, it's very possible that ALL SG characters may have ended up on subpages for their positive polarity counterparts instead of separate pages entirely. And since then, SG has grown to expand not just beyond the original Fun Pub SG G1 continuity but to other non-G1 SG continuities, like for the Movies, Animated, and Cybertron, forcing us to create such unsightly tags as "(SG Movie)", "(SG Animated)", and "(SG Cybertron)", when subpages could have prevented that with "(Movie)/Shattered Glass" or "(Animated)/Shattered Glass" and so on.
::But, I'm getting off topic. Backing up to the Thirteen, I'm for keeping the Thirteen together. In addition to what all I've said above, the Age of the Primes toys seem to be treating them as the standard or definitive versions of the Thirteen that apply for every version/universe/continuity, pulling from all across the board rather than sticking to a single depicted version of them. Prima has his Aligned body but the Sunbow Powerful Robot's head. The Fallen is just the Dreamwave design but with Aligned Megatronus's weapons from the books and RID 2015 cartoon. Micronus is likely to be based on his RID 2015 design which was itself based on the Aligned design. The statue group artwork makes Amalgamous looks more like his TF One design than his Aligned design. Vector Prime is just straight-up Cybertron Vector Prime. And Star Convoy was never one of the Thirteen in any version before now. Yet, all these disparately-sourced designs are being treated as if they all belong to the same group no matter what continuity they come from. So keeping them together as they are would just make it easier for us to not have to split hairs over which versions of which 13ers these are supposed to be when the answer would simply be "all of the above" (and we wouldn't have to put multiple entries of the same toy on, like, six or seven different characters' pages that would have to maintained equally across all of those pages). This model makes this particular version of the group feel inherently multiversal, with each member either originating from a different universe as each other, or being a multiversal hybrids comprised of different aspects of different versions of them from across the dimensions, as if Hasbro is trying to say that the AOTP versions represent *every* version of the Thirteen (minus Star Optimus, of course, since we know he's not a member in every version of this group). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:01, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::As somebody who's pushed for this split for a long time, I'm obviously all for it. I feel we can easily determine where the toys go based on their main inspirations (Fallen is G1 Dreamwave, Micronus is Aligned RID, etc) are or just make the links go to the G1 pages (since G1 is effectively the wastebasket taxon of this franchise anyway). For the FunPub stuff, we can either do it Sideways style or just do it like we do for Kre-O and ancillary stuff: place them based on the characterization/design used by the work. Multiversal Vector Prime is pretty much just Cybertron Vector Prime (and the TransTech incarnation from the last portion of AVP can be split out).
:::I am pretty much opposed to "subpages" because that is just duplicating the parentheses system we already have just for the sake of pedantry. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:03, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::Fully agree with both Escargon and Sabrblade, and their reasoning. I am biased against splits pretty much as a matter of cause, but the Thirteen ''in particular'' have for most of their history (including now, in the continuity-agnostic ''Age of the Primes!)'' been defined by their multiversal nature. I just don't think a split would be helpful. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 16:05, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::::So we need to wait five years of more non-multiversal stories to have this discussion again? That doesn't make sense. The COP version of the Thirteen weren't characterized as singularities in the first place, regardless; only FunPub cared about that aspect (and not even with the usual lineup we have now) and they tossed it because they realized it was an unworkable concept in this franchise and it's unlikely to ever get resurrected. It's been nearly a decade since the Shroud (the concept only existed from 2009-2015). You bring up AOTP but toylines clearly don't and never thought about those characters in terms of our organizational schema. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:19, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:I think we can probably leave the most of the old content together, since it might be a mess to split them apart and much of that content is based on the Covenant mythos anyway. I feel new iterations of the Thirteen (post-POTP?) should get their own pages, like ''Earthspark'' Quintus and the ''One'' Primes (particularly Megatronus since he's quite different). Though I suppose that begs the question of what to use in the parentheses for their current pages... —[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 13:10, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::How much of it is actually sticking to the Covenant? IDW1 had them be regular guys and some pre-Covenant stuff (notably Megatronus/Fallen) is more prominent for the character and not really compatible. Other Aligned stuff has also influenced other "continuity families", but we're not merging those articles, so I don't really see why this is different regarding the Thirteen. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:49, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:I’m against splitting pages, mostly because The Thirteen haven’t had enough drastic and unique depictions of them to stop “breaking the rules” for them and give them split pages.
::> The Thirteen haven’t followed the traditional convention of “every character gets a new page for that universe’s depiction”, mostly because of the whole multiversal singularity issue. Now while that concept isn’t used in fiction anymore, ''Age of the Primes'' seems to lean towards having a standard, continuity-agnostic depiction of the Thirteen from which future teams can use as the foundation of their depictions.
::> Escargon and Sabrblade make some good points regarding subpages, particularly with the example of the standard '''“Primus = God”''' and '''Rung (G1)''' incarnations. Rung is a distinct and unique take on the Primus character whose backstory is incompatible with virtually every other Primus incarnation, so placing him on the same page as the Primus of the Marvel Comics, or Cybertron, or the Aligned continuity, wouldn’t seem right.
::> ''The Covenant of Primus'' has been the foundation of every depiction of the Thirteen since it was released. Certain things might be modified, such as the 2005 IDW’s take on them, but even those Primes still follow certain story beats: Megatronus kills Solus, Liege Maximo is a manipulator, Prima’s role as the leader and his conflict with Megatronus, etc. ''One'' offers a depiction of the Thirteen who don’t enter a War of the Primes situation, but because we don’t really get any more information about them besides how they died, I wouldn’t say that they’re distinct enough or important enough to warrant their own pages.
::> Then there’s the fact that a lot of the Primes either have had very small roles or haven’t had any real importance to the franchise in several years: '''Micronus'''’s last big role was a few episodes in ''Robots in Disguise'' and a clever tie-in to the Microspace of the 2005 IDW universe. '''Onyx'''’s only big role was in the ''Covenant'', mostly thanks to '''[[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|this guy]]''' taking his place in another universe. Onyx has a few mentions in ''Cyberverse'', but I don’t think that alone should be the reason for splitting his page up. '''Nexus Prime''' and '''Vector Prime''' haven’t really done anything notable since the Shroud. '''Solus Prime''' has seen some prominence thanks to IDW's Caminus and ''Power of the Primes'', but those depictions again don’t stray too far from the ''Covenant''. '''Amalgamous Prime''' has had virtually no exploration as a character. The most we’ve gotten for him is a much easier-to-look-at design in ''One''.
::> Character-wise, story-wise… they’re all still heavily based on the ''Covenant''. Even '''Quintus Prime'''’s ''Earthspark'' depiction (with his more human-looking face) is based on his “Johnny Appleseed, made the Quintessons” lore established from the ''Covenant''. Now if we had a full group of the Thirteen from a Shattered Glass universe or had some “What-If?” incarnations of the characters that made them very different… splitting pages would make more sense to me.
::> A lot of the Thirteen have also maintained a consistent visual look to them since their introduction: all the Primes introduced in the Covenant have kept their look (Alchemist’s Lenses, Onyx’s face, Solus’ hair and color scheme), and every version of Megatronus seems to have a Decepticon insignia face, flames, and/or both. While ''One'' may have changed some color schemes (Liege Maximo missing his green), I don’t think just having a different color scheme and nothing else different warrants a new page.
::> I like the idea of conceptual history sections for now, and as I said on ''The Fallen''’s talk page, I think the beginning to his page needs a general rewrite from its “frozen in 2009” version. But until drastic new interpretations of those characters are created, if a member of the Thirteen has a single page… we should keep it as a single page --[[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 16:33, 7 December 2024 (EST)
: Splitting them would simply be a bigger headache. They're rather like Primus and Unicron where they're "bigger picture" characters (only this time around designed ''very specifically'' to '''''be''''' as such) and it's best to treat them as such, and really, there's not enough material to BOTHER splitting for most of them. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:29, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::Since it's related to this subject, it should probably also be mentioned here that there have recently been two discussions happening on the talk page for [[The Fallen]]. One about changing that article's mainpic and the other about moving the page's name to Megatronus. As of now, nothing has come out of either discussion, but I feel the results of this a bigger discussion may have an effect on either of those two smaller ones. Speaking as one who is in favor of not splitting out the Thirteen, my thoughts on these two smaller topics are that a good compromise would be to keep the article at its current name since many Megatronuses still become The Fallen, but replace the mainpic with The Fallen's Age of the Primes toy packaging art (as it depicts him in his original first body from Dreamwave but armed with his now-signature weapons from Aligned media, serving as a sort of visual overview for the character's history), along with a rewrite of his intro at the top of the page to be more all-encompassing, and the inclusion of a new "Conceptual history" section to give a proper overview of his different depictions. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:29, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::I'm going to second this. I've mulled it over a little bit and while there is an argument to be made for splitting them out, I feel that 12 of the 13 primes really don't warrant it. They just haven't had as much an impact on the story and while it could be future proofing to split them, until we get prominent appearances from them I don't think it's a viable option right now. Megatronus is clearly the exception to this rule. I don't know if there's a clean solution to dealing with him at the moment. Part of me thinks maybe we should suite out the Movie and RiD versions since those are his too big appearences to date. At the bare minimum though I think we should use either his Dreamwave or Age of Primes art as the mainpic. It's his first body and I think it's influenced more designs than his RoTF design has. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 22:57, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::::Erm, no. Neither his Movie or RiD sections (certainly not the latter) are big enough to warrant subpages for either. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:57, 8 December 2024 (EST)
:::I'm also of the opinion that a split would be a massive hassle for very little gain, but I do feel we should move The Fallen to Megatronus. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 06:54, 8 December 2024 (EST)
::::To me, renaming the page to Megatronus feels like renaming an Optimus Prime page to Orion Pax. The name was created to tell us what he was called ''before'' he became The Fallen, like how Orion Pax was what Optimus was called before he became Optimus Prime. TF One Megatronus never became The Fallen but he's an anomaly, not a new standard. As of now, the only impact TF One Megatronus has had on the brand is the official reveal video for Age of the Primes describing the very Dreamwave/Aligned-based AOTP version as "the most powerful Prime," while also putting a grim, pronounced emphasis on "The Fallen" when referring to him as "Megatronus... The Fallen". --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:16, 8 December 2024 (EST)
::::: '''Yes''' to changing The Fallen's mainpic back to the DW-style character design, huge-ass '''No''' to changing the page name; the Optimus/Orion comparison is spot-on. (And as to below... yes. The Thirteen are absolutely "set dressing that walks like a man" and best to approach them as such.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:11, 8 December 2024 (EST)

:After meditating upon this a while I think I've come to agree with the broad majority above that splitting each member of the Thirteen would hurt more than it would help. The way I see it what we should be striving for here is the approach that involves the least "hallucinating data" within our organizational system, and splitting will require making a lot of different calls on what "counts" to formulate micro-characterizations for dozens of serial continuity transplants, none of which do much individually, while obfuscating the larger context they are gesturing towards. Fundamentally what we may be running up against here is that the closest most of these guys have to a true "home continuity" as we typically think of it is... the brand bible. They are set dressing that walks like a man.

:To go one step further, if we want to talk future-proofing I would advocate formalizing the approach of treating them as a squad of mini-Unicrons/Primuses such that:

::1) My suggestion for the issues currently plaguing the Fallen (and to a lesser degree Trion) would be to make "Conceptual History" sections more or less standard issue across the board for the Thirteen, laying out swerves in characterization and appearance as they happened rather than trying to pry them apart ''or'' smoosh them together.

::2) I think it's worth revisiting merging Alpha Trion for consistency. In the decade+ since Prime cludged him into the lineup, Alpha Trion has consistently appeared as a member of the Thirteen, an insubstantial cameo, or both in pretty much every continuity he's appeared, and looking backwards I cannot help but notice that the fact that there's next to no meaningful daylight between his depictions has been the running gag of his [[Alpha Trion|disambiguation page]] since day one. If Shattered Glass remains a sticking point the Unicron/Primus style suite split approach is a reasonable compromise.

:I wouldn't say I'm married to any of this and counter-counter-proposals are welcome, but that's my two cents. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:08, 8 December 2024 (EST)
:I think just put a line at the end of the fallens intro article that says "while mostly a bad guy, there exists at least one universe (link to TF one section) where he's managed to defy all logic and be...good for once).[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 21:53, 8 December 2024 (EST)

I'm for splitting the Thirteen, for the same reasons Saix gave. If that doesn't work, I think the versions of Alpha Trion should be merged. It's the inconsistency that drives me batty. [[User:Boingus|--Boingus]] ([[User talk:Boingus|talk]]) 22:12, 8 December 2024 (EST)

===Checkpoint? (01/18/2025)===
This topic seems to have gotten as much interaction as it's going to get, so to take stock before it falls off the agenda completely:

:*'''Votes for splitting the Thirteen across the board:''' 4 (Locoman, Saix, BlueJayWarrior, Boingus)
:*'''Votes against:''' 8 (Escargon, Sabrblade, Wadapan, Daytonjhammon, M Sipher, Exim93, Dark T Zeratul, AzimuthAcolyte)

That seems like a pretty resounding 2:1 "no," but the discussion also generated some possible compromises/suggestions for future-proofing:

:*'''Votes for more widespread use of "Conceptual History" sections:''' 3 (Sabrblade, Daytonjhammon, AzimuthAcolyte)
:*'''Votes to merge Alpha Trion (with potential SG suite) for consistency:''' 3 (Sabrblade, AzimuthAcolyte, Boingus)

Lastly it generated some cross-bleed from the debates on [[Talk:The Fallen|The Fallen's talk page]] about some updates now that we're 16 years out from his [[live-action film series]] star turn:

1) Moving the page to "Megatronus":
:*'''For:''' 1 (Dark T Zeratul)
:*'''Against:''' 2 (Sabrblade, M Sipher)

2) Swapping back to a Dreamwave-style mainpic:
:*'''For:''' 3 (Sabrblade, Ezim93, M Sipher)

If anyone wants to try to resuscitate the mega-split speak now. If not, thoughts on the compromise proposals?

The Fallen discussion should probably return to his own page. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:33, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:My stances remain unchanged on all of the above. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:55, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::I'd be fine with splitting, but if we don't, we ''absolutely'' need to merge the Alpha Trions. There's no good justification for the others being together and him being split.
::As for the Fallen... I feel the need to point out that it's not ''just'' One Megatronus that didn't use the name. EVERY toyline and piece of media in the last decade — RID15, the Prime Wars cartoons, the POTP toy, the offhand mentions in Cyberverse — have used "Megatronus", completely dropping the idea that he stopped being Megatronus and became the Fallen. It's evidently how Hasbro thinks of the character; the Studio Series toy provides plenty of evidence that they ''could'' have just called the AOTP toy "The Fallen" if they'd wanted to. -[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 15:51, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:::I am also pro-merging Alpha Trions with a SG subpage along the lines of what we do for Primus and Unicron. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:11, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::::I disagree that we need to put SG Trion on a separate page. Just have his Shattered Glass section open with "In the mirror universe of Shattered Glass, Alpha Trion was..." --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:58, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::::I'm pro merging Alpha Trion as well and adding conceptual history. Fallen/Megatronus discussion I'm good with taking back to his page. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 16:20, 18 January 2025 (EST)

:Here's my 5 cents. We are under no obligation to be consistent with how we treat the members of the Thirteen. If it makes sense for the characters, we can have Alpha Trions on separate pages because he has a long rich history of appearances in wide and varied media, including media in which he is not a member of the Thirteen, and we can also have Amalgamous Prime on one page because he doesn't. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:48, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::I'm in agreement with this. "Consistency" is nice until it isn't, and merging Alpha's pages... isn't. I feel like that's just gonna result in a clusterfuck. "Conceptual history" is fine to add, but frankly I feel like only like... maybe only a third of the 13 would even ''need'' it. There's really not a lot to most of these. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:07, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:::I'm curious what would be the negative result of merging Alpha Trion's pages. The thing is that they ''are'' basically all identical barring the Shattered Glass version, and even that one is functionally the same guy, just evil. RID01, Energon, Animated and ROTF Alpha Trion are all footnotes, which just leaves us with G1 Trion (sometimes of the Thirteen), Aligned Trion (of the Thirteen), Cyberverse Trion (of the Thirteen) and One Trion (of the Thirteen). Is there some complicating factor that I'm missing...? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:38, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:::: Honestly, I think this just sold me on the idea of merging all the Alpha Trion pages, including the Shattered Glass version, into one page. A Conceptual History section could explain his development from sage to member of the Thirteen, with a paragraph about his Shattered Glass version. [[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 00:02, 19 January 2025 (EST)
:::::As I stated above, I used to be firmly against the idea of the Alpha Trions being merged, because of the facts that he wasn't originally supposed to be one of the Thirteen (a ship that has long since sailed), he was never a singularity like the other 13ers were (which no longer matters at all now since that concept was done away with), and he has a Shattered Glass version (but so too do Primus and Unicron, now, and their pages have set a good workable precedent for how to deal with SG versions of "set dressing characters" like them and the Thirteen). But now, as time goes on, the more it begins to feel like we're just keeping the Alpha Trions separate for more pedantic reasons than are necessary, especially since the AOTP toyline looks to be drawing influence from all continuities for its specific roster of the Thirteen, as if to say that the AOTP toys of the Thirteen represent *all* versions of the Thirteen (meaning AOTP Alpha Trion will represent *all* Alpha Trions).
:::::Sipher mentioned that conceptual history sections would only benefit a small number of the Thirteen, and, well, yes, that is a true statement. But the idea wouldn't be to give ''all'' of the Thirteen conceptual history sections, just the few that would need it. And a merged. But there being only a few that would need it no less diminishes the need of those few.
:::::However, I definitely draw the line at putting SG characters on the same webpages as their non-SG counterparts, as I go back to [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Transformers:_Shattered_Glass_(franchise)#Separate_Continuity.3Fthe original discussion about that very subject] and all the reasons given there (particularly from Steve-o, whom I already quoted above) for why SG characters should '''not''' share a webpage with their non-SG counterparts. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:47, 19 January 2025 (EST)
::::I feel like "they're all basically the same" is a charge that can be leveled at a lot of characters who are present in multiple continuity families. I'm all in favour of keeping non-entities to one page each, but Alpha Trion meets the threshold for actually having enough detail to have separate articles. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:32, 19 January 2025 (EST)
:My votes: No to splitting the 13 articles, yes for conceptual history, no to merging Trion (maybe expanding his disambig a la Sideways'?), no to moving the Fallen, maybe to changing his mainpic (compare to UT or Aligned characteers with major body changes - UT generally sticks with the Armada bodies, but Aligned favours Prime bodies over WFC). [[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] ([[User talk:BattleBlade|talk]]) 18:01, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:I also think that it wouldn´t be appropriate to separate the pages of the thirteen and that the articles about Alpha Trion should be merged, after he become one of the 13 he has been mostly the same across all media. --[[User:MikeOsix|MikeOsix]] ([[User_talk:MikeOsix|talk]]) 20:57, 18 January 2024 (EST)
My vote is that we should keep Prime pages *mostly* non-split- I do, however, think there is merit to a "Conceptual History" part, going over different variations of the characters over the Years. I originally wanted Alpha's pages to be kept apart- but after some talking, I figure it's best for him to also enjoy a conceptual history rather than a disambiguation page. (I still love Disambiguation pages though.)
On The Fallen's page getting a Dreamwave-style picture: I give it a hard thumbs up. That seems to be the design Hasbro is sticking with compared to the skeleton-furnace guy from the movies. -- [[User:OptiMay Primal|OptiMay Primal]] ([[User talk: BattleBlade|talk]]) 21:54, 18 January 2024 (PST)
:I cannot see any benefit to smushing all of the Alpha Trion articles together. Every time this happens, we get a lengthy, unfocused mess of a page that wards off attempts at maintenance because it's so large. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:16, 19 January 2025 (EST)
::I'm personally against merging all the Trions, but I could be convinced if someone sandboxes a merged page first as a proof of concept. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:59, 24 January 2025 (EST)
At Cyberlink's suggestion, I've slapped together a rough prototype of a merged Alpha Trion suite broadly mirroring the Fallen's setup that can be seen–
:*'''[[Alpha Trion|HERE]]'''
Intro etc not final, of course. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 16:27, 24 January 2025 (EST)
:I like this. It's no longer or less focused than [[Unicron]], for example. I'm still kind of dubious about the need to exclude Shattered Glass versions from these cross-continuity characters, but at least SG Trion is more substantial than SG Unicron. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:31, 24 January 2025 (EST)
:Posting to confirm I'm in favor of this. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 12:49, 25 January 2025 (EST)
:Yeah I like it too, when so many of his incarnations are so similar the unified article feels more user friendly [[User:LenaPrime|LenaPrime]] ([[User talk:LenaPrime|talk]]) 12:57, 25 January 2025 (EST)
:Adding that I think this works pretty well. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 18:42, 25 January 2025 (EST)
:Thought I'd stick my two cents in. I think this would work. If Unicron can have a merged page like this, then it should certainly work for Trion. [[User:Hilfam|Hilfam]] ([[User talk:Hilfam|talk]]) 23:44, 25 January 2025 (EST)
I've also started working on prototypes of rewrites / updates to Prima and The Fallen's pages, which can be seen...
:*'''[[User:Daytonjhammon/Sandbox/Prima|HERE for Prima]]''' and '''[[User:Daytonjhammon/Sandbox/The Fallen|HERE for The Fallen]]'''.
Discussion for The Fallen should probably stay on his [[Talk:The Fallen|own talk page]], but I'm linking them here since both have "conceptual history" sections I've drafted up. [[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 13:50, 26 January 2025 (EST)

===Checkpoint 2 (05/05/2025)===
This definitely fell way off the agenda but there was sufficient interest that I believe it is worth circling back. Following Dayton's excellent work on Prima and the Fallen's Conceptual History section going live, the final point of order remains the prospect of merging Alpha Trion (with SG suite) to reflect his Aligned-forward characterization and bring him in line with the other 12 + 2 (Thirteen, Primus, Unicron) "man-shaped set dressing" characters.

Again, a full mock-up of this concept can be seen-

:*'''[[Alpha Trion|HERE]]'''

The current tally stands at:

:*'''Votes for merging Alpha Trion into one cross-continuity article with SG sub-page:''' 12 (Sabrblade, AzimuthAcolyte, Boingus, Broadside, Escargon, Ezim93, Daytonjhammon, MikeOsix, OptiMay Primal, LenaPrime, IGEBM13, Hilfam)
:*'''Votes against:''' 5 (abates, M Sipher, BattleBlade, Saix, Cyberlink420)

That's overwhelming support a ways past 2:1. Does anyone care to answer a last call for comment?

Suggestions or concerns for the prototype are particularly welcome. For my part I would appreciate assistance drafting a Conceptual History section. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:18, 5 May 2025 (EDT)
: Chipping in to reiterate that I'm in favour, though I'm unconvinced that the SG subpage is necessary. I do recognise that it's in line with how we currently treat Unicron, but like... is there anything we gain from having it be a separate page that we couldn't get from just putting "in one mirror universe, alpha trion was a real sicko!" at the top of the section? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 18:20, 6 May 2025 (EDT)
::On principle alone, I'm against putting SG characters on the same pages as their non-SG counterparts, no matter what. The day we make such allowance for just one of them is the day we open the floodgates for potentially doing that for any and all SG characters. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:54, 6 May 2025 (EDT)
:::The (SG) system is simple. What exactly does messing with it accomplish? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:28, 8 May 2025 (EDT)
::::See, my understanding was not that SG characters are "special exceptions", it's that we treat Shattered Glass as its own continuity family (and likewise SG Animated, et al). It's not "messing with" the system to put the SG version of a character on a cross-continuity family page for that character. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:53, 13 May 2025 (EDT)
:::::It's messing with what Thylacine mentions for the sake of insisting on making categorization exceptions for the Thirteen. It's not useful to either editor or reader, especially if we're going to do the pointless lateral move that is "/Shattered Glass" anyway. (SG) is straightforward and easy to parse as opposed to "here's the explicitly negative AU guy buried here because arbitrary wiki reasons". [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:42, 13 May 2025 (EDT)
:::Looks like it doesn't matter anymore, but the difference between SG and non-SG material - the whole fact that SG exists to be an irreconcilable opposite to G1 - is more fundamental and important than the sum total of all appearances and history of at least 10 of the 13. We should not be wiping away important conceptual distinctions for the sake of unimportant asterisk characters who basically only ever existed in a list. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:59, 13 May 2025 (EDT)

== International Sightings ==

So, as of late, mentions of "toy appeared in (non-US country) without prior announcement" type lines have been getting purged from the wiki. This makes me wonder: am I allowed to even mention them anymore when a new toy appears somewhere? I'm not really sure why these relatively harmless information lines are getting removed, nor am I really a fan of it, but if I can't mention them anymore I will happily oblige.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 21:04, 7 January 2025 (EST)
:They're being removed because "toy first showed up at a random store in Asia" is not useful information. That's how toy retail has worked for decades. Hasbro deigning to announce some product doesn't make it the standard. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:57, 7 January 2025 (EST)
::Oh, ok, I'll keep that in mind from now on.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 23:11, 7 January 2025 (EST)

==First revealed at (some regular online update)==
On a similar note to the international sightings, what do people think of "toy was first revealed in Hasbro Instagram post / Fans First Friday / Pulse livestream of whatever date," etc.? We note this constantly, because it's another fact to include about a just-announced toy nobody owns yet. A year later it looks unimportant. Is this something we like and value, or more of a space-filing habit? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:34, 8 January 2025 (EST)
:I think it's a lot of blather, but at least it's documenting Hasbro marketing as opposed to random retail appearances. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:25, 8 January 2025 (EST)
: I'm lukewarm at best on 'em. But often these announcements are followed up almost immediately by pre-orders opening up through official channels, and that feels a bit more... noteworthy. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 12:31, 8 January 2025 (EST)
: Seems pretty relevant to me! There's value in preserving a toy's history, after all. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 10:14, 6 April 2025 (EDT))

==Update Navigation==
Should the Navigation sidebar be changed to replace [[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]] with [[Transformers: Age of the Primes|Age of the Primes]] or should we wait a bit?--[[User:CyclonustheWarrior|CyclonustheWarrior]] ([[User talk:CyclonustheWarrior|talk]]) 20:49, 2 February 2025 (EST)
:Good question. I think we could change it now since almost all of wave 1 is out at retail over in Asia, but I’ll wait for someone higher than me to make the final decision lol - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 23:10, 5 February 2025 (EST)

==Adding a "Transformers in [Country name]" section to country articles==
So, by some weird coincidence, a lot of my edits in these past months have involved expanding on the quirks of how individual aspects of the Transformers brand were represented in countries like [[Brazil]], [[Argentina]], [[Greece]], and [[Portugal]] - however; something that I've noticed is that there's usually no comprehensive summary of this information in the actual pages we have for those countries, with most or all of it being restricted to the individual articles regarding those things instead (for instance; Argentina had a whole three companies that produced Transformers toys with [[Antex]], [[Comando Toys]], and [[Lynsa]], but none of them are even mentioned in Argentina's page!). As such, and in the spirit of making our wiki more international, I propose that we add a small section to every country page specifically regarding the presence of the Transformers brand within it.

Some information that could go into these sections, if available (naturally, not ''everything'' here needs to be mentioned):
* When Transformers media first premiered in the country
* When Transformers toys first released in the country
* Previous releases of [[pre-Transformers]] in the country, if any (e.g.; Italy's ''Trasformer'', the UK's ''Convertors'', Finland's ''Diaclone'', etc.)
* Brands that might have made toys or merchandise for Transformers in the country, if any (e.g.; [[Estrela]] in Brazil, [[IGA]] in Mexico, [[GiG]] in Italy, [[El Greco]] in Greece, etc.)
* Notable figures, variants, and/or entire toylines that are exclusive to the country, if any (obviously, a fully comprehensive list would be difficult for a country like Japan, but it seems feasible for others here.)
* Transformers media that's unique to the country, if any (again; it would be hard to form a comprehensive list for Japan or the US, but it might not be too difficult elsewhere.)
* Peculiar quirks and factoids regarding the distribution of Transformers toys in the country, if any (e.g.; Galaxy Shuttle releasing in Italy, Star Saber releasing in Portugal, Spain's translated G1 blister cards, [[Sonokong]]'s many odd releases of Transformers toys in South Korea, etc.)
* Transformers-connected artists that were born in the country (e.g.; Brazil's [[Marcelo Matere]], Spain's [[José Avilés]], etc.)
* Perhaps some notable aspects of the fandom in the country (e.g., fan organizations, conventions - whether they're [[Convention|official]] or [[Unofficial conventions|unofficial]] - etc.)

Editing these sections could also make for a pretty fun multinational effort: certainly, Transformers fans from all over the world have pretty unique knowledge about the brand in their regions that's undocumented until now, and it would be pretty cool for them to visit the pages for their respective countries and see a section that basically invites them to add that knowledge. If this idea seems acceptable then I would be happy to move ahead with introducing the section to some of the countries that I'm most familiar with (mostly in Europe and Latin America) - let me know what everyone else thinks! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 10:07, 6 April 2025 (EDT))
:I like this idea! I think it’ll be really helpful for both readers and the site’s general organization to have information about international Transformers products and media on their respective countries’ pages. I’m not too well-versed in the foreign aspects of the brand outside of Japan, but I do know one piece of information we can add to Russia’s page is that ''Masterforce'' was the first show to air there :D - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 10:47, 6 April 2025 (EDT)
::I had no idea about that, how interesting! Hopefully more people can give the go-ahead to this. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 11:04, 6 April 2025 (EDT))
:::This strikes me as a proposal with a lot potential if we can get enough manpower behind it. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 17:00, 6 April 2025 (EDT)
:I've made versions of this proposed section for the Portugal, Spain, and Brazil pages, and posted them on [[User:FortressMaxxing/Sandbox|my sandbox]]. Any thoughts would be welcome! Also, shouldn't we maybe add the country flags to their respective pages? The Wikipedia SVGs are on public domain, so I guess we could just import those. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 09:43, 7 April 2025 (EDT))
::I like the way these early write-ups look, it could prove very interesting. Though we should only add the country flags if they appeared in fiction, as we do with the [[Soviet Union]] or [[United States of America]]. Otherwise it's just not important. Every country has a flag, you don't need to come ''here'' to look at them or find out their capital cities, populations, national birds, etc. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:01, 7 April 2025 (EDT)
:::I mean, if we're also to discuss the "meta" details of Transformers in the country - meaning that the pages are no longer restricted to just fiction - then I think it makes sense to at least have a country flag up on the opening paragraph, no? I'm not saying we need to add an Wikipedia-like infobox with the capital and population count and whatever else, but if we also have stuff like logos for companies in their respective pages then it makes sense to at least have what's basically the largest and most important international identifier that a country has attached to a page about it. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 11:29, 7 April 2025 (EDT))
:Given how there seem to be no objections to this project, I hope that it's fine to begin adding these sections to their respective pages during this weekend. I have added entries for Argentina, Italy, and Greece [[User:FortressMaxxing/Sandbox|to my sandbox]], so, together with the other three I previously shared; that will be six "The Transformers franchise in X country" sections coming from me - hopefully others will also be interested in adding similar sections to the pages of whatever countries they're most familiar with! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 18:37, 11 April 2025 (EDT))
::I think the names could be simplified to "Transformers in X". [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 19:51, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
:::That was actually close to the previous name I had in this topic ("The Transformers in X") before renaming it because I thought it could be a little ambiguous, haha - but actually, I think you're right, "Transformers in Brazil" / "Transformers in Greece" / etc. does sound better and I guess all the ambiguities are kinda cleared up in context of the contents of the sections themselves! "Transformers in X" it shall be then, I've now again renamed this topic accordingly. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 20:06, 11 April 2025 (EDT))
::::Yeah, it could be an ambiguous statement by itself, but we're not making "Transformers in Brazil" for all the fictional times Transformers characters appeared in Brazil because that's already covered by [[Brazil]] itself. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:29, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
:Ayo, I posted the first batch of "Transformers in X" sections a few days ago in the [[Portugal]], [[Spain]], [[Italy]], [[Greece]], [[Brazil]], and [[Argentina]] pages! There are still way more countries that need a similar level of development and since I won't be able to do all of them alone, I wanted to highlight at least the most important ones in the hopes that maybe other users will have an interest in working on them. So, here are '''the pages that most urgently need a "Transformers in X" section''' (plus '''some of the things they should mention'''):

* [[Japan]], obviously: The birth of the transforming robot as a Japanese cultural product (see [[Yonezawa Toys|Yonezawa]] and some of the later transforming robot toys leading up to Takara's Cosmo Countach and eventually the Diaclone Car Robots), the country's transition from Diaclone to Transformers, the introduction of the original show to Japan, a brief mention of the original media and toylines that were only released there, an assessment of the popularity of the franchise in Japan relative to other 'giant robot'-centric media like Gundam and NGE (Also, I've noticed that there is already a small "non-fiction" section that briefly touches on the importance of Japan to the Transformers: it could be used as a starting basis, and I guess that it also suggests someone already had the idea for a similar wiki-project!)
* The [[United States of America|United States]], also quite obviously: Brief summarization of the birth and sustained popularity of the Transformers brand in America, the most prominent retail exclusives that were only launched in U.S. stores, BotCon and all the other big fan conventions
<s>* [[United Kingdom]]: Received a pair of pre-Transformers toylines with the Grandstand Convertors and Tandy's Galactic Man, the UK Marvel Transformers comic, large conventions like TFNation and TFUKcon</s> '''(Done!)'''
* [[France]]: Received a pre-Transformers toyline with [[Joustra|Ceji / Joustra]] releasing Diaclone, Orli Jouet's Robotrack, later Joustra-made G1 Transformers toys, original cartoon had a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itPo0Q9zmrc|a pretty funky unique theme song], major national toy company [[Majorette]] would briefly become a Transformers licensee in the 2000s
* [[Finland]]: Received a pre-Transformers toyline with Takara directly releasing Diaclone, "black Tracks" was unique to it (and later homaged with [[Loudpedal]])
* [[China]]: Hasbro factories, the Chinese G1 reissue toyline, the commercial success of Age of Extinction and how it brought about a sharp rise in the popularity of Transformers across the country, [[Nezha: Transformers (franchise)|Nezha]]
* [[South Korea]]: The unusual line-ups of [[Young Toys]] and [[Sonokong]], the mystery of [[ToonTown]]
* [[Mexico]]: [[IGA]] and their unique variants of G1 figures
* [[Venezuela]] (which somehow doesn't exist yet despite [[Transformers Comic-Magazin issue 17|already having an in-fiction mention]]?): [[Rubiplas]] made some unique Mini-Vehicles
<s>* [[Peru]]: [[Lynsa]] released multiple unique Mini-Vehicles in both countries, Museo Transformers</s> '''(Done!)'''
* [[Chile]]: Also received [[Lynsa]] Mini-Vehicles
* [[Vietnam]]: Major manufacturing hub for Transformers toys '''(Work in progress)'''
* [[Germany]]: GAMA's "Trans Robot" (pre-Transformers Omega Supreme), had the biggest Transformers convention in continental Europe until it dissolved not too long ago

:On an unrelated note, check out these fancy new GoBoxes down below! If anyone wants to do more in this style (quirky collage of country flag, plus national iconography, plus a Transformer toy that's emblematic of that specific country in some way) then that'd be pretty sweet! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 17:47, 16 April 2025 (EDT))
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::Hey, I noticed that a lot of your claims aren't really sourced, it would be nice if you could cite your sources for us. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 08:01, 21 April 2025 (EDT)
:::For sure! A lot of what's been added to these pages isn't cited because it is already discussed at greater length in their respective articles (and usually cited in said articles) - nonetheless; I will go ahead and add a more extensive round of sources soon. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 12:54, 21 April 2025 (EDT))
:::: Great! Remember to post about that here when it happens. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 13:45, 21 April 2025 (EDT)
::::: All done, I've provided as many citations for whatever information's more obscure or not as well-documented in the English web as I could! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 16:21, 21 April 2025 (EDT))
:::::: Thank you! I appreciate it, though I have noticed that your source about Portuguese people seeing Star Convoy on retail is only available to members of the Facebook group. I understand that information for things like this is hard to come by so if can't change it it's alright but it would be great if you could list a publicly available source instead. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 08:58, 22 April 2025 (EDT)
::::::: Oops, I didn't realize that Transformers Portugal was private on Facebook - but let this not be a problem, because I've just added a translated screenshot to that citation instead! Although I must also add that, unfortunately, I don't know how to really cite the later portion of that trivia - that Star Convoy is also really common on the Portuguese secondary market - because this is basically the product of my own personal experience of living in Portugal and seeing at least four loose Star Convoys on the Portuguese secondary market in the past couple of years across various occasions, all of them being the original version with the white trailer rather than the later reissue (thus suggesting that they come from the aforementioned retail distribution), and all of them being sold for really cheap prices rounding just ~20-40 euros from people who clearly did not know about this being an unusual toy (I got one myself one circa ~2022!). It's just that I frankly didn't know how to cite this in the page (Would "[[User:FortressMaxxing|This editor]] can attest to seeing an inordinate amount of Portuguese Star Convoy copies on the secondary market" be too anecdotal of a reference to have?), so... There's that. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 13:04, 22 April 2025 (EDT))
:::::::: Don't worry, the fist citation should be enough, now's the time to move on to the rest of the countries. I'm a bit busy at the moment but I might be able to take on the UK write up. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 13:53, 22 April 2025 (EDT)
::::::::: Sweet, I'll be excited to see what you write up! Tell us here when you do :) ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 13:58, 22 April 2025 (EDT))
:I made a first draft of the UK write-up at my sandbox [[User:Wildstrike/Sandbox/United_Kingdom|here]]. It is not at all done I'm passing this through the people to make sure I didn't get anything wrong, and to hear out any suggestions. Also I didn't mention the Tandy's Galactic Man figure because it doesn't seem to be exclusive to to the UK. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 11:14, 26 April 2025 (EDT)
::Hey, it's good, short but very well-cited! I do think Galactic Man merits at least a brief one-line mention since apparently the UK was the only other territory beyond the U.S. where it was released in (and also the UK Galactic Man might be slightly different, per how the pre-TF page describes him as [[Pre-Transformers#Pre-Transformers lines|"''almost'' identical"]]?), but otherwise, I have no disagreement with the information presented here. Very curious to see how you're gonna expand on that draft! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 18:46, 27 April 2025 (EDT))
:::Okay, I did a bit of research and according to the [https://astromagnum.blogspot.com/2024/04/galactic-man-tandy-radio-shack-shackwave.html Astro Magnum] blog the Tandy version of Galactic Man has slightly different packaging, different stickers, and is made of materials more resistant to the yellowing prevalent in the Radio Shack versions of the toy. I'll be sure to edit the draft when I have time. Also, I found about an [https://batterseapowerstation.co.uk/retailers/transformers/ official transformers store] at the Battersea power station which I plan on incorporating at some point. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 11:49, 28 April 2025 (EDT)
:Ooohh, here's a pretty cool thing that I found out which definitely should be added to the Peru page: there's a mall [https://www.facebook.com/MuseoTF with a Transformers toy museum within it], and apparently it's been in operation since 2020! It even features a display specifically for [https://scontent.flis9-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/483676983_1040341464571272_305592738604936521_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=OsCqdAxWZTQQ7kNvwGe1-WQ&_nc_oc=Adn6enKyI9P6hsp1VO2t492l7iu8t1CtWQCm3bbMYXOemGAOpKTj-0fB96Co-Jhqnm4&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.flis9-1.fna&_nc_gid=0aKRlr6ClLSdhzhjlFM8cA&oh=00_AfFq1ClChLr67ItyZAhHBe0MPRKxcrRFUfQLY48v0THRPA&oe=68149CCC Transformers stuff made in Peru], which I think would be a great photographic addition to the article :) ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 20:36, 27 April 2025 (EDT))

:I've finally expanded my write-up (link [[User:Wildstrike/Sandbox/United_Kingdom|here]]), and would like to receive comment on it if possible. As for the ''Transformers'' store I mentioned above, I'm not quite sure how to incorporate it into the rest of the article and am debating just leaving it in the notes section. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 12:06, 30 May 2025 (EDT)
::Hey, sorry for taking so long to review it but it's good! I think the Transformers store can be added as its own small (even if one-line) paragraph in the section, no need to throw it all the way down to notes when it's a definitely pretty relevant to the history of Transformers in the UK. Regardless, I'd say it's time to go live with that section! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 00:24, 12 June 2025 (EDT))
:::It's finally live baby! As you may have noticed, I decided to expand the section a little bit more and mention some of the other British people that have worked on Transformers over the years as well as [[BotCon Europe 1999]], I hope you're happy with all the changes. — [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 15:05, 12 June 2025 (EDT)
:Per recent edits, I'm scratching out the UK and Peru pages off the list, as they now also have proper "Transformers in [Country]" sections (great job on the UK one by the way, it's pretty extensive and rich in information and I feel like I learned quite a few new things with it!). I also added Germany and Vietnam to the list, so if any TF fans from those nationalities are around to see this some help in filling those out wold be greatly appreciated! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 08:22, 18 June 2025 (EDT))

== Size of this page ==

Could someone archive the last year on this page? It's getting ridiculously long and is hard to scroll through. [[User:Hilfam|Hilfam]] ([[User talk:Hilfam|talk]]) 19:48, 15 April 2025 (EDT)
:Done. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:25, 15 April 2025 (EDT)

== ToonTown / Korean Transformers that might or might not be bootlegs ==
Hey, so... What do we do about [https://x.com/tfwiki/status/1036114311142363136?lang=ar this], and [https://lmb3.net/2024/12/29/blog-2500-toy-review-transformers-korean-modified-optimus-prime/ this], and [https://tformers.com/daily-prime-korean-generation-2-optimus-prime-gold-watch/43599/news.html this], and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYJ8Nev7DGo this]? It basically seems like there's a massive ambiguity as to whether or not these toys are bootlegs, and while at least one of them (see the recently-edited "Globo" section on the [[knockoff]] page) has distinct bootleg origins, it's also worth remembering that there is [[Radio AM Robot|at least one known case of a bootleg being later rebranded into an official Transformers toy]], so... Maybe this is not much of an indicator?

In the replies to that first tweet, there's a person who says that "[https://x.com/tfwiki/status/1036114311142363136/ Hasbro's legal stance is that if it has their copyright on the box, it is an official product. This is what they've told me in the past when inquiring about other products]". Assuming that this is the case, and given that all of these have a Hasbro copyright on their packaging despite how genuinely weird they are, should we add them to their respective character pages, as well as maybe creating a separate page for ToonTown as a Transformers-associated company? The [[Soundwave (G1)/merchandise#Transformers Gum|Soundwave]] and [[Starscream (G1)/merchandise#Transformers Gum|Starscream]] ''Transformers Gum'' tabs already mention their ToonTown releases, so it seems like it kind of follows to add the others, no? I've left them a mention on the knockoff page as of now, but it would be good to get a final decision as to where exactly they should stay on this wiki. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 21:58, 19 April 2025 (EDT))
:Decades ago, [[Raksha]] wrote that the Toon Town stuff had been released in both South Korea and Taiwan (https://web.archive.org/web/20080917123934fw_/http://www.plumed-serpent.com/swartifacts.html). Added to what you wrote above, I believe that is the sum of all the knowledge we have on the issue, so it would be hard to write an article about it. I agree that since we have the Soundwave and Starscream stuff, the other confirmed releases are fair game to include too. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 15:18, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
::Here's another one, this time not saying Toon Town, still showing the "real" logos and symbols, and said by its owner to be a knockoff: https://toy-wizards.com/2019/03/16/super-rare-korean-transformers-toys-at-tf-con-and-the-conspiracy-theory-behind-them/?amp I'm really drawing a blank on Toon Town and it is possible we will never get enough verified info to be worth an article here. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 18:53, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
:::One more source for now: http://fredsworkshop.com/vkorea.html --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 18:57, 7 May 2025 (EDT)

::::Argh, another, and with even more links at the bottom, and were no closer to a conclusive truth. http://fredsworkshop.com/vkorea5.html --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 19:05, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
:::::For what it's worth, I think it'd be good to have a page laying out the ambiguity of the matter, explaining what we know and how hard to verify it all is. Sorta like the [[unknown Generation 1 animation studios]]. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 19:35, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
:::::: Yeah, I'd agree with this. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:45, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
::::::: Seconding this, it seems like we have more than enough to at least create an article about this weird company that explains the ambiguity. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 01:15, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
:Alright, as per the above discussion, the [[ToonTown]] article is now up! I didn't go over every source mentioned here yet and therefore still haven't added every ToonTown-branded figure to it (and neither to the character pages, the currently existing wikilinks just to go their broader toy sections for now), but hopefully this is a good start. Would love to see your contributions to this page, if you have any to give! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 09:09, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
::Update, the remaining ToonTown toys and merchandise that I could find has also been added. Turn out to be a shorter affair than expected! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 09:53, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
:::Thank you for setting this up so quickly! I am doing my best to state very clearly that these might or might not be legit, that if they're knockoffs they aren't like your typical ones... The last thing I'd ever want would be for this wiki to give people the sense that fake stuff was real, but we can present the nebulous case and leave it to readers to judge. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:58, 8 May 2025 (EDT)
::::All good! This is just such an interesting case that it does really feel like it needs to be in the wiki insofar as we don't know whether or not they're fake. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 11:07, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
::Hey, Google Lens led me to the discovery of another ToonTown oddity and I'd love some community help in finding out more about it before it's added into the article: [https://m.blog.naver.com/eoiipp/130144214329 This Optimus Prime model kit] doesn't appear to be based on any Kabaya / Transformers Gum kit that I know of (and the Transformers Gum section on the Optimus merchandise page says that his ToonTown kit comes as a pack-in with Starscream rather than being a standalone like this one), and in fact; he actually looks to be fairly sizable and complex compared to the usual Kabaya affair. On [https://m.totoy.com/product/%EB%AF%B8%EB%8B%B4%EC%82%B0%EC%97%85-%ED%8A%B8%EB%9E%9C%EC%8A%A4%ED%8F%AC%EB%A8%B8-g2-%EB%A1%9C%EB%B4%87-%ED%8A%B8%EB%A0%88%EC%9D%BC%EB%9F%AC-%EC%98%B5%ED%8B%B0%EB%A8%B8%EC%8A%A4-%ED%94%84%EB%9D%BC%EC%9E%84/5333/ this listing] for the same kit, you can zoom in and see what seems to be the usual ToonTown / 3D Licensing International markings, but most importantly; both of those links identify him as being made by a company called "Midam Industry" which even seems to have its own unique logo on the upper right corner of the toys (albeit it's pretty difficult to make out with how low-res all these pictures are), but that I can't find anything about them on the web. Does anyone know more about this Midam Industry Optimus, as well as maybe potentially being aware of other kits from the same series? Cheers! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 16:46, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
:::After searching for a little while, I believe that this is, in fact, the only Transformers kit released by Midam Industry (although it has a handful of variants!), thus; it - as well as a Midam Industry entry - has been added to their respective pages. I've taken the liberty to classify it as a toy rather than a piece of merchandise since it is, for the standards of a Transformers model kit, actually a fairly elaborate and fully-transforming model that doesn't really seem to count as "merchandise" in the same way that Transformers Gum stuff does (it doesn't even come with any food!) - hopefully others will be in agreement on this. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 19:16, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
::::And, just as I thought I was done with editing the ToonTown page for the day, I realized that the packaging for these kits advertises other kits, even though no pictures of those seem to be available. Aw well, duty calls... ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 19:31, 8 May 2025 (EDT))

== Proposing a "The Transformers (Latin American toylines)" page ==
So the title is self-explanatory, but basically; I've noticed that our Generation 1 navbox is missing the many, many Latin American Transformers G1 toylines like those produced by [[Estrela]], [[Antex]], [[Lynsa]], [[IGA]], etc. Since there might be way too many for them to all to be individually listed in the navbox, and since we already have the "[[The Transformers (toyline)]]" (for the US toyline), "[[The Transformers (European toyline)]]", "[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1 (Japanese toyline)]]", and "[[The Transformers (Chinese toyline)]]" pages all on the navbox, shouldn't we also make a "The Transformers (Latin American toylines)" page where we list all of the known releases from the various Latin American toylines, with the eventual addition of some "Main article" tags for the manufacturers of each of those toylines? ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 19:49, 24 April 2025 (EDT))
:I don't think the toyline or name was consistent across Latin America, so it would be more "Generation 1 toylines in Latin America"?
::That's fair, it is true that most of them removed the 'The' prefix and were usually just called ''Transformers''. Since we don't use the ''The Transformers'' name for the Japanese toyline page then it does make sense to also not use it in this instance. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 22:33, 24 April 2025 (EDT))
:[[Generation 1 toylines in Latin America|Page has been made!]] ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 17:17, 25 April 2025 (EDT))

== Free Comic Book Day Worst Bot Ever preview ==

I know it’s standard procedure not to create articles for comic issues until the issue actually comes out, even if a small preview is officially released online. But I’m wondering if the Ballpoint preview issue should be an exception? It is just the online page preview Skybound put out a few months ago (I believe with a couple new pages), but since it is an officially released physical comic issue that new fans will be picking up and wanting to research, I figure there’s an argument to create the article now with what we know and simply update it when the graphic novel proper comes out. For now, the article would cover what’s in the FCBD issue, and when it comes out proper we’d add to/replace it with a full synopsis and include a note about how the first 16 pages were released on FCBD. Thoughts? [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 16:58, 3 May 2025 (EDT)

== Shattered Glass and cross-continuity-family pages ==

Felt like this was worth being discussed in its own section, so: at present, [[Unicron]], [[Primus]] and [[Alpha Trion]] all have dedicated "Shattered Glass" subpages suited out. They're unique in this respect; every other page for concepts that span multiple continuity families keep the Shattered Glass versions on the same page as everything else. A good example is [[Spark]]; even though Embers have a different name and are supposedly fundamentally different in the mirror universe, they still share a page. If we're going to treat Unicron, Primus and the Thirteen like cross-continuity concepts, rather than how we treat most characters, then I don't think we should make an exception to that for Shattered Glass.

To be clear, '''this is NOT proposing that we merge all Shattered Glass characters into their G1 counterparts'''. My position is that Shattered Glass is its own continuity family, and so we keep their pages separate, and I don't think there's something special about Shattered Glass that makes it an exception to what we're doing with the cross-continuity pages. Input would be appreciated. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:52, 14 May 2025 (EDT)
: I agree. Especially because Primus and Unicron have about a paragraph's worth of information on them each. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 18:21, 14 May 2025 (EDT)
: SG is different enough that the character pages should be separated somehow. Otherwise it’d be jarring for those unfamiliar with SG to have the one batshit crazy evil Alpha Trion in and amongst all the nice ones. Personally, I’m on the same boat as Sabrblade back up in the Thirteen discussion from a few months ago. I think suite pages are a useful tool, not a necessary evil. It’s somewhat subjective, but I can see suite pages used in this way for other cross-continuity concepts where one universe diverges far enough from the norm. [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 18:49, 15 May 2025 (EDT)
::Moreso than one crazy evil [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]] in and among all the nice ones? I don't think you're giving readers enough credit, frankly. If we opened the section "In one mirror universe, Alpha Trion was not a kindly mentor, but a cruel manipulator" I don't think anyone would think twice. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:25, 15 May 2025 (EDT)
:::Touché. [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 02:04, 16 May 2025 (EDT)
:I was waiting to weigh in until the Alpha Trion merge was fully complete, but I now feel comfortable saying this strikes me as basically reasonable, both conceptually and in terms of the small volume of material involved. The Fallen's [[The Fallen#Shattered Glass|''Shattered Glass'' content]] is already folded into his main page by necessity, after all. I do think people might feel less skittish if we more clearly telegraphed that the 13+2 were unique character/concept article hybrids not to be used as precedent down the food chain. Maybe something like:
::* Category:Concept-Characters
::*With a description like, "These subjects act as facets of the ''Transformers'' brand's baseline worldbuilding first and characters in their own right second. For the defunct fictional concept riffing on this phenomenon, see [[multiversal singularity]]."
:Is that anything? --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 18:20, 26 May 2025 (EDT)
::I like that idea. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 20:52, 26 May 2025 (EDT)
:::Seems like an excellent idea to me! --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 00:07, 27 May 2025 (EDT)
::::Yeah, seems alright for now. However, I do think it's worth having some kind of plan in place in case a concept-character winds up getting expanded on in the future. — [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 04:50, 2 June 2025 (EDT)
::::: I do like the category idea. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:51, 5 June 2025 (EDT)
Last call for objections before I go ahead with this? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:01, 12 June 2025 (EDT)
:I think there's an exception to be made for Alpha Trion, as the SG page is pretty long, and still incomplete, but otherwise, yeah; was surprised by how short SG Primus and Unicron's articles are. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 16:24, 12 June 2025 (EDT)
:: It's not very long compared to the rest of the page, especially considering the toys are already on Trion's toys page. I feel like if we were gonna split a section off for length reasons it'd be Generation 1. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 20:55, 12 June 2025 (EDT)

== Interwiki link request ==

Having reached another milestone in my ongoing project to document the non-''Transformers'' [[back-up strips]] printed in the Marvel UK book, I'd like to request that tfuk.app (<tt><nowiki>https://tfuk.app/wiki/$1</nowiki></tt>) gets added to the interwiki table. Thanks. [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 11:11, 20 May 2025 (EDT)
:Goddamn, this is an incredible amount of work: more than being added to the interwiki table, it frankly feels worthy of being pinned into the "sister wikis" section on the opening page. Great job! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 12:08, 20 May 2025 (EDT))
::Seconding Fortress on front page sister wiki status, frankly. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:31, 20 May 2025 (EDT)
::Thirded on adding it to the sister wikis list, that’s amazing. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 16:07, 20 May 2025 (EDT)
::Fourthing! -- [[User:DannyBoy|DannyBoy]] ([[User talk:DannyBoy|talk]]) 10:19, 21 May 2025 (EDT)
:That seems eminently reasonable: [[tfuk:Main Page|The Transformers UK Appendix]] --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:15, 20 May 2025 (EDT)
::Thank you! [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 17:32, 20 May 2025 (EDT)

== Skybound’s Marvel compendium edits ==

So I’ve got Skybound’s [[The Transformers Compendium Volume 1]] in hand and am reading it. I was under the impression that Skybound was, for the most part, just using IDW’s Classics reprint with maybe some polish here and there, but comparing Skybound’s version to the wiki notes about IDW classics edits, there are actually several changes from those that are going to need to be noted on each issue’s article. (For instance, the Wheeljack/Hoist panel comparison on [[I, Robot-Master!]] has a new color scheme to add to it.) Are we gonna want to make a new section on each article underneath the “Classics edits” one? Are we gonna want to wait until the Kickstarter-exclusive versions come out so we can do it all at once? (I’m just talking about differences I’ve noticed while ''skimming'' articles; I imagine there are lots more. This is the first time I’ve read the comic and thus I don’t have originals/IDW reprints to directly compare to. Just something I wanted to bring to your guys’ attention.) [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 02:04, 1 June 2025 (EDT)
:Making a new section under "Classics Edits" seems like the best move. As for the second question, I feel it would be best if we started making note of the changes now so that there will be less work to when the Kickstarter exclusives do release. — [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 04:58, 2 June 2025 (EDT)

== Continuity of origin listings? ==
I happened to see the [[Sentius Magnus]] and [[Sentius Malus]], and that sent me looking to see if there were any other new characters unique to [[Transformers: Earth Wars|Earth Wars]]. When I couldn't find any such listing, I realized I don't think we have any real way to identify original characters by their original continuity. Might it make sense to have, say, categories for brand-new characters that originated in each continuity? i.e. "Earth Wars original characters" or "IDW 2005 original characters" or "Marvel comics original characters", etc? Or, if not categories, some way of compiling that information?<br>Also, to be clear, I wouldn't consider characters that began as toys to be original to whatever fiction they first appeared in; this would just be for the likes of the aforementioned Sentius twins, or [[Xaaron (G1)|Xaaron]], or [[Devcon (G1)|Devcon]], or [[Tarn (G1)|Tarn]]. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 06:29, 16 June 2025 (EDT)
:I think that would be a good idea, and very helpful organization-wise. (Also, you’re correct in that there are no other TFEW-original characters beyond maybe SB Optimus Prime and SB Megatron.) - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 09:09, 16 June 2025 (EDT)
: I feel that would be unnecessary, fans can find it out by looking at the work page. [[User:Vrung|Vrung]] ([[User talk:Vrung|talk]]) 16:53, 16 June 2025 (EDT)
::Unless there's a way I missed, the only way to "figure it out" by looking at the work page is to individually check the pages for every single listed character appearance to see if they've ever appeared anywhere else. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 20:33, 16 June 2025 (EDT)

==Concept characters and sorting by continuity family==
Based on discussions above, I've implemented [[:Category:Deep lore characters|Category:Concept characters]] to cover things like the Thirteen and Primus and Unicron. However, I've noticed that these pages seem to have been rearranged so they aren't sorted by continuity family, except in the case of the movie and Aligned families? I gather that it's to "preserve the flow of conceptual development", but that seems silly when we have "conceputal history" sections on the relevant characters. Other concept pages (e.g. [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] are sorted by family, so this just seems unintuitive. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 19:49, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:I agree; we've always tried to sort concepts and ideas by continuity family and it's more confusing if we start arbitrarily enforcing this standard on some pages but not on others. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 20:00, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
::I concur that how we've been organizing big pages like this by continuity family makes sense, especially if they have "Conceptual history" sections. Like, it's weird to jump around from a G1 section, to a Beast Era section, to a UT section, and then back to a G1 section, then to a Movie section, then Aligned, then back to another G1, then back to another Movie, then back to G1 again, then Cyberverse, then G1 again, then another Movie, and so forth. Just let the "Conceptual history" sections do their job. And if there isn't one, then, well... why not make one? They only ''enhance'' each article that has one. I'd say an article like "[[Cybertron (planet)]]" could definitely benefit from a good "Conceptual history" section of its own. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 20:00, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:::Agreed on all fronts. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:20, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
I think if we're going to have cross-continuity pages for whatever reason, because the "continuity family" thing isn't working... why then organize the pages that way? "G1 continuity family" is a unit of wiki organization, not a Real Thing either narratively or creatively, unlike Aligned or Movieverse. That feels like trying to have our cake and eat it—either we're organizing things by continuity family or we aren't. IDW Megatronus is more linked to Aligned Megatronus than Dreamwave Fallen. Why does it make sense to put IDW and Dreamwave together in terms of the character? Forget arbitrary wiki categorization for a minute and ask what's the intended throughline there. Are we presenting the character's evolution in a logical way or are we simply sticking to continuity families because arbitrary wiki organization? (Also an excessive amount of tiny headers as you force them all down one level looks awful.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:00, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:I don't buy that "movieverse" is any less arbitrary than "G1 continuity family". None of the Alpha Trion entries sorted under "movie continuity family" have anything to do with each other. I would argue that using continuity families for these pages provides a reasonable measure of organisation to make it easier to find specific fiction entries rather than having to scroll through the entire history of the character. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 21:19, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
::Not to beat the dead horse, but that's why we had separate pages in the first place. Movieverse fiction uses the movies as the fundamental springing board for their narrative (and is especially relevant to the Fallen). G1 does not have that and is purely organized by aesthetics and convenience. Why are Cyberverse, EarthSpark, and Wild King not "G1" while IDW1 is? Arbitrary convenience. Which is fine, but it still drills in the point that it's not a meaningful categorization narratively or creatively, especially if we're going to eschew it at the article level regardless. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:51, 18 June 2025 (EDT
:::I simply think we should be consistent about how we sort fiction sections within "concept" articles. To use [[Cybertron (planet)]] as an example again, should we no longer organise the fiction entries on that page by continuity family? If you think so, fine, but I think that's a poor idea. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 21:55, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
::::That page seems to eschew the Fiction header in the first place (which does take care of my tiny header complaint, I suppose), so it's not quite consistent to begin with. But I don't really consider location and character pages to have the same considerations; Cybertron is pretty much the same across all continuities (backstory varies, yes, but mechanical homeworld of the Transformers is always the status quo) while characters are always shifting, changing, and bringing forward new ideas into next iterations. (Gun to my head, yes, I would prefer chronological, but planet articles are not a priority to me.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:09, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:::::Right, but the thing about the Thirteen et al is that they ''don't'' have the same considerations as other characters, so we treat them the same as other cross-continuity concept articles. I don't think they should have their own unique format that's the only thing on the wiki that ''completely'' eschews continuity families for organisation. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:59, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
Two questions: 1. Are we talking about just the organization of Thirteen/Primus/Unicron pages or across the board, new standard for all pages? 2. For either side (organize by continuity family vs organize by chronology/release date), are there examples of pages with either formatting that can serve as proof of concepts or visuals that show why that specific way is the better one? [[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 21:15, 18 June 2025 (EDT)

Bit of an aside but is there a different or more distinct category name we could use? For me and most tf fans I know "Concept characters" brings to mind "concept art" characters, aka unused designs and the like. I think renaming it to "Cross-continuity concept characters" or something similar would make it clearer. —[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 22:39, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:That would be fine by me, yeah. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:59, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
::Yeah, this was the problem that jumped out at me when I first saw the term proposed. Some other suggestions: continuity-agnostic, pan-continuity, meta-continuity, conceptual, lore, mythological, cosmological, multiversal, archetypal, foundational. I don't have a strong preference, just throwing these out there. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 12:54, 19 June 2025 (EDT)
:::conceptual, lore, and mythological feel a bit too... intangible ig? multiversal is way too close to multiversal singularity imo. I'd say continuity-agnostic, pan-continuity or meta-continuity would all be good. (personally leaning towards meta-continuity) [[User:Arren1234|--Arren Meuchel]] ([[User talk:Arren1234|talk]]) 14:41, 19 June 2025 (EDT)

I'm definitely sympathetic towards [[User:Saix|Saix]] with regards to this specific change. The Thirteen are pretty much the tentpole for the "aligned" worldbuilding which pretty much marked the ''end'' of continuity families in the traditional sense, from a creative perspective at Hasbro (not that the concept was one they were considering to begin with). As he says, everything is G1 now, IDW is aligned, ''Cyberverse'' is IDW, and so on. After consideration I prefer the way he's laid it out. ''However'', there's also obviously an argument to be made from a wiki-consistency standpoint, and I want to state for the record that I don't think such a major reorganisation of those pages' contents should have been implemented without a consensus being reached on talkpages ''first''. This should have been a sandboxed proposal, not just something that was done hoping nobody would notice or care enough to raise an objection themselves. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 12:54, 19 June 2025 (EDT)

I apologize if I'm a bit off-base here, since I haven't been following these discussions as closely as some, but it seems to me that there are fundamentally two different things that are being presented here: the evolution of the character concept, and the actual fictional history of the various iterations of the character. If that's the case, wouldn't a good solution be to make a separate section for the former while continuing to organize the latter by continuity family like every other page? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 14:57, 19 June 2025 (EDT)

== Commentary trivia ==

Something I find a bit sad is commentary sounding Trivia having to be deleted from episode pages. Those are funny and can be interesting to see, shame they also hog space. Can there be a middle ground where I cam dump them into, say, wild king episodes Synopsis without sounding...unprofessional? (Because the commentary is one of the best parts of some episode descriptions...)[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 00:02, 3 July 2025 (EDT)

== Mentioned characters ==

Something I did back when I was revamping our coverage of the BotCon/Club stuff was add a "mentioned characters" section to the notes; for examples, see [[Cybertron's Most Wanted]], [[Gone Too Far]], and other stories linked to on the [[Transformers Timelines (fiction)]] page. It's something that we lack on other pages, and I think that it's worth implementing; in particular, when looking through some of James Roberts' work recently for a side project, I was struck by how often characters that otherwise never appear on page are mentioned. What I wanna propose is adding something like to this our media pages in general.

The Problem: I think that the benefits speak for themselves, but it does also come against the fact that we have hundreds (if not thousands) of episodes/comics/other media by this point, and that it's going to be a non-trivial amount of work getting this up to speed. For that reason, I don't really think a template is the best way to go about, especially if they're going to be sitting empty until someone goes back to read those comics or rewatch that episode or whatever. What I do think might be worth considering is that we add in something about doing it for media pages in their notes section here on out, so that we can have a headstart on at least the currently published stuff; once it becomes something feasible for a template on various pages, then I think we can revisit that idea. For my end, I've been contemplating a re-read of the comics for a few years now, and I'm more than happy to add stuff over the time I do that.

If anyone has any suggestions or comments, please respond here. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:22, 9 July 2025 (EDT)
:I always liked how Wookieepedia lists every proper noun in "Appearances" sections ([https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Episode_V_The_Empire_Strikes_Back#Appearances example]). I think this concept should expand to include locations, weapons, et al.—basically everything we would make a page for. Yes, it's work to add stuff, but that's editing. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:32, 9 July 2025 (EDT)
::That sounds like something that could be pretty beneficial information-wise, even if it’s a lot of work. I can definitely start doing something like it for my ''Earth Wars'' write-ups as I go through the event stories. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 10:49, 9 July 2025 (EDT)
:I definitely remember thinking—back when you were regularly working on the Fun Publications pages—that your exhaustive approach to filling out the notes sections with mentioned characters and concepts was ''really useful'', but that it could stand to be formalised in some way. As you say, it'd be a huge amount of work to bring articles for even the most popular stories up to that standard. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 11:20, 9 July 2025 (EDT)
::I agree this is something it would be valuable to do going forwards. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]])

== Plagiarism on the other site ==
Basically every EarthSpark character page on the other site is a copy-paste of our own. Some of Cyberverse too. Do we care about this? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 09:34, 11 July 2025 (EDT)
:I think the important first question is whether there's any attribution (though I assume the answer will be no). -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 15:53, 11 July 2025 (EDT)
::As in, "this was written by TFWiki" or "this is a unique article we here at Fandom invented"? We can see which users have been doing the copy-pasting. There's one in particular who pasted in Earthspark content (just choose a character), another who has been doing some weapons (i.e. [[Electro-scrambler]]). I know full well that fan wikis tend to get copied, so if our position is to simply disregard everything Fandom does, we can stick to that. But their site has, supposedly, had a black-and-white policy dating right back to the split that copying from us is not allowed. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 08:29, 12 July 2025 (EDT)
:::I think it could be to try and make the fandom wikis page look as good the pages here are. I confess, I did the same to bulbapedia and the fandom pokemon wiki.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 13:12, 12 July 2025 (EDT)
:::I see no reason to not make a stink about it to whatever passes for admin there. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 13:14, 12 July 2025 (EDT)
::::Thylacine - According to CC BY-SA 3.0, they are free to copy our material as long as they provide credit that it was copied from us. If they ''don't'' do that, and I'm very much assuming they don't, then we should absolutely raise hell about it, as M Sipher suggests.
::::As an example, after Wowpedia moved to wiki.gg and became Warcraft Wiki, Fandom put a blanket ban on linking to wiki.gg (for bullshit reasons) and so we've been aggressively deleting any Wowpedia pages that were copied from us because they are functionally unable to provide proper attribution and their staff fucked up and never depowered one of our admins. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 14:31, 13 July 2025 (EDT)a
:::::They are definitely not providing any credit, and they also still have ''as their very first listed policy'' "no copying from Wikipedia or TFWiki." transformers dot fandom dot com/wiki/Transformers_Wiki:Policies#Plagiarism --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:29, 13 July 2025 (EDT)

Their site lists four admins, of whom two are obviously long retired. One who was last active in May is the source of some of the plagiarism, and also showed themself to be unresponsive to multiple direct questions posted on their wall by Fandom higher-ups. That leaves the one who was last active in June. I wrote that one a message summarizing all this as best I can, bearing in mind that systematically comparing pages on some other peoples' wiki is not at all something I am interested in doing. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:02, 14 July 2025 (EDT)
:Honestly, failing any response from their admins (which I will imagine will be the case), I think anyone happening to spot plagiarised material can happily just go ahead and delete it on the spot, citing their own policy of not copying from TFWiki. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 10:11, 14 July 2025 (EDT)
::A response: transformers dot fandom dot com/wiki/Message_Wall:Moviejunkie2009

::I msged the other suggested admins, no response. I did NOT msg the suggested Fandom "community manager" because they have no reason to help us, if anything I expect their response would be to simply erase the relict, circa-2008 anti-plagiarism policy that the current community knows nothing about.

::I do ''not'' enjoy scanning their New Articles page every day and maxing out my allowed daily edits by blanking the neverending incoming pasted pages. I am going to stop doing this. It pisses me off that a zero-effort community can ignore its own rules and steal our work, but it feels even worse to compulsively devote my free time to marginally cleaning up a zero-effort community's messes. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 20:07, 17 July 2025 (EDT)

== The General commercial with Bumblebee and Shaq ==

I think we should have information on this commercial for The General with Bumblebee and Shaq:

https://tformers.com/watch-bumblebee-shaq-acting-up-in-new-the-general-insurance-spot/55134/news.html
--[[User:John Pannozzi|John Pannozzi]] ([[User talk:John Pannozzi|talk]]) 13:11, 26 July 2025 (EDT)

== Maintenance heads up ==

Just to let everyone know, I'm going to take the site offline temporarily in about an hour for maintenance. Should not be offline for too long, hopefully. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:24, 29 August 2025 (EDT)
:And we're back. Thank you for your patience.--[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 03:43, 29 August 2025 (EDT)
::Thank you for your work, abates! [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 03:53, 29 August 2025 (EDT)

== Coverage idea ==

We should add a "Major events" section to the episode articles. It helps keep track of events alongside continuity notes and could help finding specific episodes better.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 19:07, 16 September 2025 (EDT)
:Struggling to picture what exactly that would look like. --[[User:Arren1234 |Arren Meuchel]] [[User_talk:Arren1234 |(talk)]] 15:07, 17 September 2025 (EDT)
::Like a Major Events header, then the body text is any important Events that happen in the episode. (E.g. Darkest Hour in TFP: The autobot base is destroyed)[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 01:38, 13 October 2025 (EDT)
:::Perhaps you could put together an example on a sandbox page? [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 06:55, 14 October 2025 (EDT)
::::Uh, idk how to make sandboxes. There are examples over on Bulbapedia though, so that should give a rough idea on what im suggesting. [[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 08:02, 14 October 2025 (EDT)
:::::https://tfwiki.net/wiki/User:Poliwag06/Sandbox [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 09:55, 14 October 2025 (EDT)
:::::: I think this works for something like Bulbapedia because Pokemon is a pretty episodic 1000 episode anime with a set of regular events that it's useful to track (X caught / traded / lost a Pokemon / gym battle), whereas Transformers doesn't really work the same way? And things similar to that are already tracked in the trivia notes (the Alchemor prisoner manifest) or kinda fall into listicles which aren't popular (ie who used Cyber Keys that episode, what mini-cons were collected). Trying to qualify what counts as a "major event" outside of, say, "Character debuts / final appearances", which are also already in the trivia notes for for some series (definitely Animated, maybe others), especially in plot terms, feels difficult and liable to cruft and for people to just read the headline of the article. [[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 18:01, 14 October 2025 (EDT)
:::::::Yeah, the notes already serve as a pseudo-"major events" section with all the stuff you just named, and if you were to look for anything else to add you’d probably end up with something that has so many details it may as well just be the synopsis. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 20:53, 14 October 2025 (EDT)

== Overview of pre-TF page ==
Hey, just posting here to provide a wiki-wide notification of sorts that I started an "Overview" section on the [[Pre-Transformers]] page and it's in dire need of some chunks of summarized information primarily regarding Diaclone and Micro Change and their respective Transformers localizations, as per the various stub markers left in specific sections. It feels like that page has been needing a proper written history of pre-TFs for a while now, so if anyone could help me fill it out then I'd be glad! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 22:14, 12 October 2025 (EDT))
:I'll see about taking a crack at the Diaclone bits as I can. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 00:37, 13 October 2025 (EDT)
::Thank you for volunteering, and wow, I had no idea about [[Horloge Robot]]: his page has now been made! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 05:06, 13 October 2025 (EDT))
:::Wahey, thank you! As you can imagine I'd been meaning to get around to that for ages. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:45, 13 October 2025 (EDT)

== Overgear continuity ==
Maybe I'm asking this question a bit too early since we only have a vague premise and prototype images for [[Transformers Overgear]], but... Should we archive the figures released underneath it under their characters' G1 pages (when applicable) as it is usually done with odd Takara releases, or should they get entirely new pages instead? This feels like a toyline with a very distinct concept from most other regular ''Transformers'' assortments, so I'm frankly leaning on the latter. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 22:27, 16 October 2025 (EDT))
:It’s probably too early. And jumping the gun has bitten us in the ass before. Remember [[Cliffjumper (Yolopark)|Ladybug?]] [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 12:40, 17 October 2025 (EDT)

== Proposing a comedic category for fraud ==

Given the ongoing hubhub over the probable scammers who call themselves [[Mbilia Studios]], how about we make up a "Category:Fraud" or "Category:Fraudsters" like we have "Category:Things that don't exist"? Pat Lee and Dreamwave Productions come to mind as possible members for such a wiki category. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 08:22, 4 November 2025 (EST)
:I see where you’re coming from but it also would be a massive vandal magnet. [[User:Hyperious|Hyperious]] ([[User talk:Hyperious|talk]]) 08:35, 4 November 2025 (EST)

::that also sounds legally actionable in a way the wiki probably doesn't want to deal with. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] ([[User talk:Hooper X|talk]]) 10:14, 4 November 2025 (EST)
:::Yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeah nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnoooooooo let's not. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:01, 4 November 2025 (EST)
::::Sounds like a bad idea to me as well... - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 16:52, 4 November 2025 (EST)
:Joining in to say that yeah, I also agree that this is a bad idea. But I do think that the Mbilia Studios page needs a Controversy section at the very least, the Trivia portion is ridiculously cluttered and it feels like a lot of it would be more comfortably read as just part of a standard couple of paragraphs. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 07:45, 12 November 2025 (EST))
::Agreed. I don't think we need that much detailing of how bad the AI video is. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:19, 12 November 2025 (EST)

== Binder of Revelation Illustration Credits ==
Okay, don't kill me here, I'm just hoping that the artists who contributed to the Binder fifteen-ish years ago get their proper due since it's out in the open now. I got in touch with the art director of the Binder of Revelation and have a fairly complete list of credits for who did what illustration. Since this isn't actually a published work, how do we go about giving proper illustration credits? Do we even credit anyone? Considering the document itself has no credits, I feel like it's worthwhile that the artists get recognized, even if we aren't putting any images up ourselves. [[User:MCRG|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG|talk]]) 21:37, 25 November 2025 (EST)
:I don't think this is objectionable info to note at the least. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 23:03, 25 November 2025 (EST)
::For now, maybe put your raw info on a sandbox so we can get a better sense of it? Most of the Binder art I know of was by Ken Christiansen, for instance, so if all but a few pieces are by him, it would seem silly to list them all individually. But I'm guessing it's more varied than that. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 00:26, 26 November 2025 (EST)
:::It's a pretty wide spread, surprisingly. A lot of the pieces are tag team works where Eric Siebenaler did roughs and other artists did the finals, but it's around 5-10 artists without me checking the exact notes at the moment. I'll start getting that together.[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG|talk]]) 14:41, 26 November 2025 (EST)
::::All known credits added. On a side note, is it worth pointing out somewhere that the Binder itself is written in the style of a RPG manual instead of an actual franchise bible? It goes a long way in explaining why it was so quickly disregarded by other creative teams when comparing it to bibles from other franchises or just other series bibles within Transformers on the whole, and the pricetag attached to the project.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG|talk]]) 15:23, 21 January 2026 (EST)

== What are we calling the new "Core" Transformers stuff? ==

So... what should we call the new generically branded "Transformers" toys that have been showing up? (Prime Changers, Smash Changers, Tiny Turbo Changers, maybe more in the future). Should it be a separate new thing or maybe part of [[Transformers Authentics|''Authentics'']]? The Prime Changer [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Authentics|Optimus]], [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Authentics|Bumbleebee]], and [[Megatron (G1)/toys#PrimeChanger|Megatron]] were previously added under ''Authentics'', while someone just started using "Transformers (2026)" for the Tiny Turbo [[Arcee (G1)/toys#Tiny Turbo Changers|Arcee]] and [[Elita One (G1)#Tiny Turbo Changers|Elita]], which got me thinking that we should probably figure this out soon.<br>From what I've gathered they all use "TRA Core" in their listing names, but their packaging design seems identical to current ''Authentics'' packaging design, also lacking a distinct subtitle and focusing on "Evergreen" characters to start off. Then again, Hasbro homogenizing all their packaging designs in the last year makes it hard to tell if this line is meant to be its own thing. Though it is notable that unlike prior ''Authentics'', this "Core" line is using bigger size classes and is available at bigger retailers like Target instead of dollar stores. –[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 18:24, 13 January 2026 (EST)

:I was JUST adding a section here and rather than rewriting...<br>
:Okay just kinda checking in, because thanks to Hasbro's goddamn infuriating thing about not promoting/announcing anything other than the expensive collector crap, the load of sub-line-less not-''Authentics'' "Core" stuff hitting Targets (at least, has anything popped up at Walmart?) is a bit of a "how do we handle this" deal. Both "how much product is there" and "do we treat this as a separate line, as an extension of Authentics despite it not being a 'discount' store line, or what". I'm leaning towards "just list it as its own line with G1 characters unless pretty explicitly otherwise". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:30, 13 January 2026 (EST)
::Oh right, Walmart. Off memory they do have the ''Authentics''-styled [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#MegaSting|Mega Sting Bumbleebee]] (could also be considered a "larger price point" I guess). No clue if any listings gave it a separate name like "Core" has. Walmart also has a bunch of merch stuff in ''Authentics''-style packaging like big head helicopters, Dancing Transformers and a giant RC Bumblebee. –[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 18:57, 13 January 2026 (EST)

== Size of the page again ==

This page is getting pretty long again, so could someone archive the last year? [[User:Hilfam|Hilfam]] ([[User talk:Hilfam|talk]]) 12:03, 22 January 2026 (EST)

== Idea for a page? ==

Perhaps a page discussing the various Transformers that have "base modes" as a third form, like Powermaster Prime, Motormaster, etc. It's a major recurring gimmick since G1. [[User:DrakeyC|DrakeyC]] ([[User talk:DrakeyC|talk]]) 09:09, 30 January 2026 (EST)
:I think a general "[[base mode]]" article would make sense, yeah. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:19, 30 January 2026 (EST)
::seconded. frankly shocked to learn there isn't one already --[[User:Arren1234 |Arren Meuchel]] [[User_talk:Arren1234 |(talk)]] 11:58, 30 January 2026 (EST)
:::I think base modes lend themselves better to a category page rather than a full-blown article. What would it even say? “Some Transformers have Base Modes. Here’s a list of all the toys, here’s a list of all the episodes/issues where a base mode appeared.” [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 16:51, 4 February 2026 (EST)
::::I don't see why not. We have articles specifically for [[Beast mode]], [[Super Mode]], [[attack mode]], and [[transportation mode]]. For such a prominent feature of Transformers since its early days I'm surprised there doesn't seem to be a specific write-up about city/base modes anywhere, and not even as single mention on the main [[alternate mode]] page. Closest I can find is [[Titan (group)#Alternate modes]]. —[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 18:01, 4 February 2026 (EST)
:::::I attempted a [[User:MahXyme/Sandbox/Base Mode|sandbox for a Base Mode page]] long ago, but I stopped since I realized it would require an extensive amount of work to list all fiction usages & differentiate what counts/what does not count not (something I struggled with the [[Micromaster#The Transformers|Micromasters Transports]] assorments -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 17:53, 5 February 2026 (EST)
::::::Seems like a good start at least. I'd argue for listing "groups" of base modes (Micromaster Stations, Titans Return Leaders, etc.) rather than individual figures --[[User:Arren1234 |Arren Meuchel]] [[User_talk:Arren1234 |(talk)]] 20:36, 5 February 2026 (EST)

Agreed on the organizational aspects. And, that sandbox is a good start, though yeah, it'd need a lot of work to go through all the toylines and make a comprehensive list. There's also the fact that certain toys with base modes are intended to link to others, some universal and some just one specific bot, so it may be tricky to document when that play feature is prevelant. [[User:DrakeyC|DrakeyC]] ([[User talk:DrakeyC|talk]]) 10:35, 18 February 2026 (EST)

==About character name translations==
Um... I'm new here. I have a question, and I'm not sure if this question falls under [[Help:Official info]]...

That is, I want to add the translated names of some characters. But I want to know what basis this wiki uses to choose foreign translations. Must the foreign translations be ones used by Hasbro and/or TakaraTomy and their licensees in order to remain on this wiki? Can some of the names translated by fan Chinese translation groups be considered valid? Especially in cases where they were the first to provide a translation for a work (possibly the only one) and fixed certain character names.

There are also some characters (such as [[Sentinel Maximus]]) whose works may never be introduced by licensors in certain languages, but they do have a commonly used translated name. Should we include this translated name, or just keep it without a translation in that language?

For example, when IDW comic books were introduced in China, the translation team at the time translated [[Tarn (G1)]] as '''璇玑湖'''. So this would count as an authorized translation. However, because this translated name has nothing to do with the original meaning (as well as some other controversies surrounding that Chinese translation group), the more common and widely used Chinese translation for [[Tarn (G1)]] is the direct transliteration '''塔恩'''. '''璇玑湖''' has basically been abandoned. In this case, which translation should we choose?

:I suddenly realized that 塔恩 could be used. The packaging of Blokees does indeed call him 塔恩.

Also, does the foreign name used in the product titles by the Hasbro official flagship store count?

Uh, this question might seem a bit silly, or it might come across as a bit strange because I'm speaking English through a translator. But if the existing Wiki rules already cover this issue, please just tell me, thank you.[[User:Micheva|Micheva]] ([[User talk:Micheva|talk]]) 10:18, 12 February 2026 (EST)
:This is a fantastic question. I have no authority here so don’t take this as word of law, but I believe that Romanizations on this wiki (which I think is somewhat similar) are case-by-case. The first romanization of [[Deathsaurus (G1)|Deathsaurus]] was “Deszarus”, but the page is still titled “Deathsaurus” because that’s what the name actually is supposed to be. (Deathsaurus’ name issues are actually pretty interesting, at least to me, and I’d recommend reading the wiki article’s section on it.) Conversely, [[Jallguar]] IS the first romanization used, and the article title, but in that instance I suppose that there isn’t really any convincing reason to use any of the other romanizations we’ve gotten over the years since none of them actually mean anything (it’s just the Japanese word for Jaguar with an extra syllable inserted). I’m rambling. What I would do for foreign names is, stick with the first official translation used, unless you think there’s a compelling reason to use a different one (like what you said with Tarn), and in that case bring it up on the discussion page for the article in question or in the Discord server. [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 02:43, 15 February 2026 (EST)
::They need to be translations used in official material. That's just the easiest line in the sand we can make. If different translations are used officially, we note them all, barring obvious typos and the such. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 05:22, 15 February 2026 (EST)
:::Does the name used for the flagship store count? Those works that were not introduced have kept them without translations, right?[[User:Micheva|Micheva]] ([[User talk:Micheva|talk]]) 06:52, 15 February 2026 (EST)

Some publications that contain many translations (such as the Chinese version of DW's MTMTE) I actually don't have the resources for, which is a pity.
I have come to realize some issues. For instance, if the translation team used a certain translation term when translating a publication, but later discovered that this term was incorrect, they made the correction in their subsequent fan-based translations. However, since the publication was not re-released after its introduction, the translation term in the authorized merchandise could not be modified. Can we adopt the revised translation term provided by this translation team?

There is another less rigorous question: Does THE translation given by the authorized Chinese translation and introduction team of Chris McFeely's TRANSFORMERS: THE BASICS count?[[User:Micheva|Micheva]] ([[User talk:Micheva|talk]]) 07:07, 15 February 2026 (EST)
:THE BASICS, while incredibly informative, is not official, so no, it would not count. [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 15:52, 16 February 2026 (EST)
::I reiterate, official material only. Mistakes are unfortunate, but that's how it goes and we can't presume unofficial translations will make it into official material. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:42, 16 February 2026 (EST)
OK, I will do it this way. Strictly follow the official materials.

And one more question: Can the translation names used by Hasbro's official store be used in this Wiki?[[User:Micheva|Micheva]] ([[User talk:Micheva|talk]]) 23:40, 16 February 2026 (EST)
:Material from Hasbro is fine. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 01:50, 17 February 2026 (EST)

== So when are we splitting the Legends World characters off? ==

It made sense to keep them together when ''Legends'' first started as Jungle Animals in Decidedly Non-Jungle Situations, and this wasn't worth pursuing before now since it'd be just moving the furniture around. But the lore got deeper and now with ''New Legends'' as ongoing fiction I think it's worth looking at again. As much as Legends World is treated as its own dimension, it is fundamentally just a location easily accessible from the JG1 timeline populated with clones* of Transformers from the wider continuity that exists around it. And when we write pages for duplicate characters who co-exist, do we not typically split them off? If that's the yardstick, several Legends Worlders interact with or refer to their JG1 selves, including Rattrap, Rhinox, Waspinator, Arcee, and T-AI. Leo Prime even moves in with Lio Convoy, and keeping those same dudes on the same page is complicating the already complex timeline presented by "[[Age of Primes (End of G1 Universe)|Age of Primes]]". — [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 12:44, 3 March 2026 (EST)
<sub>*"clones" is a simpler term for these guys than "magically created lifeforms in a telepathic dream world based on real people from 300 years in the future" but same diff</sub>
:It's always been strange to me that they weren't split off already. Having them on the same page is extremely confusing. I'd say go for it. --[[User:Arren1234 |Arren Meuchel]] [[User_talk:Arren1234 |(talk)]] 12:57, 3 March 2026 (EST)
:Personally I think this might be overthinking things. I'd agree that it's not quite 1 to 1 with other cross dimension stuff, but functionally Legends Rattrap is a version of the Beast Wars character even if he is in this weird pocket dimension type thing, and ever single "native" to the dimension we see is basically just a comedic version of a pre-existing character. And we've always kept cross dimensional stories with versions of the same character on the same page (Universe, TransTech, et cetera). It makes things complicated, sure, but JG1 stuff has been like that for nearly two decades now. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:00, 3 March 2026 (EST)
::For my money, there's just ''so much'' with the Legends idiots now, and there's going to keep being more of it, so we'd be best off siloing them into their own pages <s>and not having to think about them any more</s>. Universe and TransTech stories that had the characters interacting were generally one-offs or short runs. This is a Cloud or Galvatron II situation, to me. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 13:45, 3 March 2026 (EST)
:I am on the record as considering reader experience our prime directive and this would be such a drastic improvement to the readability of our coverage of the Legends rat's nest that I've been meaning to suggest it for years. Consider me emphatically in favor. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 20:12, 3 March 2026 (EST)
:I think I'm also generally leaning towards "this is already complicated and it's just going to get more complicated so let's detangle this shit sooner rather than later." -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:19, 3 March 2026 (EST)
::Fine with this idea. Are we using Japanese names since those characters have never shown up in material with Hasbro names? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:31, 3 March 2026 (EST)
:::That feels unnecessarily pedantic. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:16, 3 March 2026 (EST)
::::One could make the argument that it's too steeped in Japanese fan culture/terminology to use the Hasbro names, but I really only care about the human characters having Japanese names (because they're normal people living in Tokyo and wouldn't be named things like "T-AI"). [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:25, 3 March 2026 (EST)
:::::Also, I think Roadbuster, Whirl, and Windblade can stay as they are, since all three are meant to be the main JG1 versions of those characters anyway. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:37, 3 March 2026 (EST)
:::I'm theoretically in favour of Japanese names, since it would improve legibility of say, the time Rattle and Rattrap teamed up – and we're absolutely keeping Lio Convoy, since Leo Prime has gone through a textual name change – BUT: characters with toys, at least, had both the Japanese and Hasbro names on their packaging. It would be inconsistent to have Rattrap and Waspinator and Optimus Primal alongside Cheetus and — I can't think of another example, but I'm interrupting this train of thought because I CAN think of Optimus Minor being made Primal's son on the basis of Beast Convoy's western name. And how many minor guys like, I dunno, Build Boy, are named in dialogue? We could always title the article Wedge and slap a Noname-uncomfirmed on that bad boy like how we did with ''Shattered Glass'' in the distant past.
:::Also, what are we feeling is best for a disambig? (Legends)? (LG)? (LW)? — [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 04:43, 4 March 2026 (EST)
::::Or we could go with the Kre-O approach of "major characters get their own pages, cameos don't" I GUESS — [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 04:53, 4 March 2026 (EST)
::::Minor is only called "Minor" in Legends, so he wouldn't get the full name. I vote (Legends). [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 05:01, 4 March 2026 (EST)
:::::I second the "(Legends)" motion. It's the name of the franchise these character debuted in, in the name of the world they live in, and it's one word. We don't put Masterforce characters at "MF", for instance, and "Legends" isn't even a compound word that ''could'' be abbreviated. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 16:32, 4 March 2026 (EST)
::::::Doing a cursory sweep we appear to have already used "(Legends)" for a [[:Category:Transformers Legends episodes|bazillion mobile game events]] such that it might be prudent to avoid that one. My two cents would be to either use the "(LG)" abbreviation from the packaging/story titles/etc or straight up spell out "(Legends World)" for absolute maximum clarity. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 17:50, 4 March 2026 (EST)
::::::I'm leaning towards LG: it's on every toy box and in the title of the vast majority of chapters. Plus, Deadlock uses it in-universe. And it's shorter! — [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 18:02, 4 March 2026 (EST)
:::::::"Legends" is also spoken in-universe countless times all throughout the Legends manga series, even in the most recent End of G1 Universe comic starring the green Lio Convoy. The reason "LG" is on every toy box is because it's part of each toy's ID number, which we have never let dictate any of our disambiguation tags. Otherwise, we'd be using "(BT)" instead of "(Binaltech)", "(MP)" instead of "(Masterpiece)", "(UN)" instead of "(United)", "(TG)" instead of "(Generations)", "(TAV)" instead of "(Adventure)", "(PP)" for Power of the Primes instead of "(POTP)", "(SG)" instead of "(Siege)", "(TCV)" instead of "(Cyberverse)", "(ER)" instead of "(Earthrise)", "(KD)" instead of "(Kingdom)", "(TL)" instead of "(Legacy)", etc. That [[Transformers Legends (mobile game)|Transformers Legends mobile game]] (which has been dead for over a decade, even) that "(Legends)" is currently being used for is a nonissue when "(Legends)" is ''also'' currently being used for things from the [[Transformers Legends (book)|Transformers Legends anthology book]], particularly [[Susan (Legends)]]. And "(Legends)" has already been in use for things from the Legends manga, too, like [[Groundshaker (Legends)]], [[Synapse (Legends)]], [[Duncan (Legends)]], and [[Plasma Energy Chamber (Legends)]]. It's no different from how we use "(RID)" for things from both the 2001 and 2025 franchises, "(Universe)" for things from both the 2003 and 2008 franchises, and "(Generations)" for things from both the pre-Combiner Wars toyline and from the series of Japanese guidebooks. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:37, 5 March 2026 (EST)
::::::::Yes, the principle was always "least disambiguation necessary for titles". A particular disambiguation is fine to be used by different things. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 02:13, 5 March 2026 (EST)
:::::::::Speaking personally I cannot say I am terribly invested in any specific disambig so if y'all feel that strongly about "(Legends)," so be it. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 15:00, 5 March 2026 (EST)
:Historically I've leaned more in the direction of "this feels like putting these dumb animals on too much of a pedestal", given the meta-importance that page splits tend to imply to the wiki's audience, ''but'' I find the "these are functionally clones who exist within JG1 continuity specifically, not just 'normal' alternate versions of the characters" framing pretty compelling, so I'm surprising myself by saying I wouldn't be opposed to a split at this point. Making stuff like multiple Lios Convoy interacting less insane to write about is definitely a bonus too. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 04:34, 4 March 2026 (EST)
::Oh, also, and I hope it would go without saying, but obviously the toys that technically represent Transformerised Legends World guys would need to go on both pages (which I think we're already doing anyway for cases like the Targetmasters that are actually technically Kiss Players and Beastformers and stuff). [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 04:41, 4 March 2026 (EST)

Thinking about it more, the Galvatron II example is more presuasive to me; a suite style situation would be fine. As for names, I don't really care about T-AI but for any of the Transformers I think that's a bit much. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 08:08, 4 March 2026 (EST)

Having gone through [[:Category:Legends World natives]] and [[:Category:Legends World humans]], if we apply the Kre-O Rule of Notability, that gives us the following:
*'''Split:''' Airazor, Arcee, Big Convoy, Bighorn, Blackarachnia, Cheetor, Dinobot, Lio Convoy, Lio Junior, Megatron, Nightscream, Optimus Minor, Optimus Primal, Rattrap, Rhinox, Scorponok, Scuba, Scylla, Silverbolt, Stampy, Starscream, Tarantulas, Terrorsaur, Tigatron, Waspinator, Nightbeat, T-AI
*'''Lump:''' Roadbuster, Whirl, basically every real person making a cameo
*'''Small roles:''' Archadis, Armordillo, BB, Break, Bump, Colada, Diver, Drill Nuts, Gas Skunk, Guiledart, Heinrad, Ikard, Inferno, Longrack, Magmatron, Megastorm, Kobanzametarō, Prowl, Quickstrike, Rampage, Randy, Ravage, Saberback, Sling, Star Upper, Tasmania Kid, Transmutate, Venom, Wedge, Wolfang, Kelly, Kenneth Onishi, Koji Onishi
*'''TBD:''' Botanica (doesn't have a write-up yet), Buzz Saw (does not appear in JG1 elsewhere), Savage and Noble, Tank Drones (do we split subgroups?)
— [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 09:02, 4 March 2026 (EST)
:The Kre-O thing is because some characters (in fiction or toys) can't be exclusively slotted into G1 or movie buckets since they shift design cues between them. I think it's easier to just be consistent with the Legends gremlin people (other than real people cameos). Sensible to keep the sentient toys (Mini-Cons, Encore Big Convoy) and the three JG1 inductees (Roadbuster, Whirl, Windblade) on their respective character pages, I think. Like Wolfang/Howlinger, Buzz Saw exists in JG1 somewhere off-camera, since they got his toy. I don't think Tank Drone needs another page; it's a mass-produced bodytype that can cover instances across universes, not a specific person. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:19, 4 March 2026 (EST)
::I'm somewhere in the middle between "splitting them off the main article would help improve readability, yes," and "splitting them off entirely feels a bit too far since all of them are essentially just different versions of the main Beast Wars et al characters", so I think going the aforementioned route of suiting them would be the cleanest solution. Keeps them joined at the hip with the main versions that they're basically new versions of, while also giving them their own webpages to tidy up readability on the main pages. The Galvatron II analogy is very apropos in this case. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (EST)
::Coming back to this with refreshed knowledge, Botanica is split, Buzz Saw is small roles (which is now also split), Savage and Noble are split both from Noble (BM) and from each other, and Rhinox/Tankor can go on the same page. — [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 18:02, 4 March 2026 (EST)

So uh. I've come around on the split pages. However...I don't think completely removing any reference to them on the Beast Wars pages themselves is particularly helpful? Whether it be a suite or a "see this article for more information" I don't mind, but there should be some reference since like Sabrblade says, they are just comedic versions of the Beast Wars guys. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 07:37, 6 March 2026 (EST)
:Maybe do the disambiguation like this? [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 14:09, 6 March 2026 (EST) {{disambig3.5|the Beast Wars Maximal|his Legends World counterpart|Rattrap (Legends)|Rattrap}}

Alright, I've decided that for now I'm just going to add a note and a link mostly because I have little patience when it comes to formatting suite links. It's going to be along these lines:

{{note|Due to the unique nature of ''Legends'' place within JG1 continuity, we've opted to separate out this version of the character into its own micro-page. See [article link] for more details.}}

If anyone has any objections or comments, leave them below. Otherwise I'll just implement it tomorrow. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:28, 6 March 2026 (EST)
:I don't think this is necessary, but this can be phrased in-universe if we really need it. (<nowiki>"In the [[Zamojin (species)|Zamojin]]-created [[Legends World]], its [[Character (Legends)|Character]]'s existence formed based on Character."</nowiki> or something around that.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 19:55, 6 March 2026 (EST)
::Yeah, I like that much better. If nothing else it draws way less attention to itself. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 21:55, 6 March 2026 (EST)

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

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Broadside:

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

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Broadside: /* So when are we splitting the Legends World characters off? */

User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47

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Broadside: /* Disambiguation pages */

== Section names ==

It's just "Cybertron comic" and "Universe comic" because there are no other comics by those names. You do not need to add the publisher names. [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] ([[User talk:Mimi|talk]]) 01:53, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

== Contractions ==

Why are you expanding contractions in article writeups? That isn't necessary. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:28, 12 April 2015 (EDT)
:See above. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:55, 12 April 2015 (EDT)
::I thought that in a few instances, the sentence flowed better without the contraction. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 23:56, 12 April 2015 (EDT)
:::Hmm, fair enough! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 01:55, 13 April 2015 (EDT)

== Section headers ==

Pleeeease don't start adding "Beast Wars cartoon continuity" to every page for isolated sections without discussing its necessity. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:02, 16 April 2015 (EDT)
:Once again... [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 11:01, 9 May 2015 (EDT)

==Dimension hoppers==
Thank you for making it obvious why Axiom Nexus citizens make the Dimension Hoppers category pointless. Please undo your work. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 16:52, 26 April 2015 (EDT)
: I'm also wondering why a lot of these guys are being added to the Dimension Hoppers category. Why are the Autojetters and Seacons going in there? I don't see anything on their pages about going from one continuity family to another. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 16:55, 26 April 2015 (EDT)
: Okay okay, all right, apparently you have moved all of the G1 guys from "Invasion" into the category because they live in SG now. This is... arguably unnecessary, because if you read the dimension hoppers category, the category exists for characters who change continuity families, and both Classics and SG are Primax. Whether Positive Primax and Negative Primax constitute something different enough to warrant the category is NOT SOMETHING WE HAVE DISCUSSED, SO PLEASE MOVE THEM BACK UNTIL DISCUSSION IS HAD, THANK YOU. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 17:00, 26 April 2015 (EDT)
::Well they were there in "BW:SG" even though they didn't do anything with any actual Shattered Glass dudes. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:57, 26 April 2015 (EDT)
:::FACEPALM DIRECTED AT YOU, READ ABOVE --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 17:00, 26 April 2015 (EDT)
:::I hadn't noticed you'd updated with that when I began editing. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]])
::::When I started adding characters to the Dimension Hoppers category, characters like [[Ultra Magnus (SG)]] and [[Treadshot (SG)]] were already there. I figured that was because this wiki classifies G1 and ''Shattered Glass'' as different continuity families. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 17:05, 26 April 2015 (EDT)
:::::You also moved the entirety of the cast list of the Universe comics in there, despite the page explicitly excluding them. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 17:08, 26 April 2015 (EDT)
:::::For future reference, if you ever stumble across something that seemingly requires hundreds of edits, please please please please ask us about it first. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 17:11, 26 April 2015 (EDT)
::::::1. I apologize for breaking wiki protocol. 2. I guess I made a couple unnecessary edits with the ''Universe'' characters, but I was intentionally leaving out the characters who had only traveled to the Cauldron. 3. I moved the characters in "[[Invasion (issue)|Invasion]]" and ''[[Beast Wars Shattered Glass]]'' because I read on this wiki that G1 and Shattered Glass were different continuity families. I thought that the absence of all the ''Classics'' characters from "Invasion"/BWSG was a minor oversight to be corrected. 4. Why did you undo my alphebetization edit to [[Apelinq (BM)|Apelinq]] and Child of Primus category edit to 2001 RID Optimus Prime? 5. Do rapid conversations on talk pages always happen at this rate? I've had trouble responding because of edit conflicts.
:::::::In the course of running down your contributions list to revert everything, I figured there may have been some false positives, which I am in the process of fixing on a case-by-case basis. Also, I have placed Omega Prime in the dimension hopper category since he's actually gone from RID to the UT. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 17:40, 26 April 2015 (EDT)

==Night Viper==

Just to clarify, he was always going to be a Maximal toy. The Predacon history was his original intended backstory. Makes sense, him being a snake and all. Most of the reptiles were Preds.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 18:53, 7 July 2015 (EDT)
:Apologies. I will rectify that. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 18:58, 7 July 2015 (EDT)

==Removing "cartoon-only" categories...==
If a formerly-cartoon-only character appears in a comic, then you need to replace "cartoon only" with "Category: Fiction-only Transformers", not just delete the category outright. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:59, 14 July 2015 (EDT)
:Sorry about that. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:00, 15 July 2015 (EDT)

==Universe==
Nice work on this section. If you're up for it, other attributions for Children/Minions would be useful. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 23:27, 31 July 2015 (EDT)

==Overbite==
I meant merge Overbite with the G1 one page, not adding the new information to his Universe page but actually, I already add that.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 17:38, 2 August 2015 (EDT)

==References==
Do you know why refs that I added don't show up at the end of the page? I referenced Ask Vctor Prime in [[Uniend 812.21 Kappa|this page]] but it don't show up.[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 20:15, 30 August 2015 (EDT)
: You have to put <nowiki>{{reflist}}</nowiki> at the bottom of the page. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:23, 30 August 2015 (EDT)
::Thanks.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 20:35, 30 August 2015 (EDT)

== The reason for Grum's name not showing up==

Though I can't say for sure, I suspect that [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal&curid=474&diff=1041903&oldid=1041898 Grum's name was missing] because he inserted one too many tildes when signing his post, causing it to put only the date, like so: 22:26, 6 January 2016 (EST) -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 22:26, 6 January 2016 (EST)

==Gargent==

You deleted the Gargent image for the Universal stream page? Are we not allowed to use GoBots images like that? [[User:Lush City|Lush City]] ([[User talk:Lush City|talk]]) 19:56, 28 January 2016 (EST)
:I don't recall exactly which discussion it was, but I believe it was agreed that we shouldn't use images which AVP askers uploaded with their questions. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 21:05, 28 January 2016 (EST)

== Disambiguating Wilder ==

Hey, you're pretty knowledgeable about diambiguation pages and such, right? How would we handle [[Wilder (G1)|Wilder]], [[L. W. Wilder]], and [[Wilder (IDW)|Wilder (G1)]]? Would we need a <nowiki>[[Wilder (disambiguation)]]</nowiki>? I hate to bother you with this, but his stuff confuses me. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 22:17, 22 February 2016 (EST)
:Huh. I've never noticed that before, but I beleive three guys like that is sufficient to merit a disambiguation. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 22:18, 22 February 2016 (EST)
::Yeah, that one must have slipped through the cracks. Anyway, I'll probably start fixing some links to Wilder, but I won't be able to do them all tonight. Thanks for your help! -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 22:29, 22 February 2016 (EST)

==Link fix==
Since I wasn't sure if you'd get a notification when I did it or not, I just wanted to let you know that I fixed a link on your talk page (specifically, Apelinq -> Apelinq (BM)) Cheers! -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 17:11, 29 February 2016 (EST)

== Ain't No Rat ==

To answer your question, Dreamwave was planning to tie Beast Wars into its G1 continuity, and its comics were written with that in mind. It also simplifies things by putting the MTMTE and Summer Special content together. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:36, 21 April 2016 (EDT)

== We don't do that? ==

http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Thrashclaw&diff=1097114&oldid=1097112

Surely we should link directly to [[Of Masters and Mayhem]] somewhere in that article? and that seems as good a place as any--better than anywhere else, even, because the text is already there; i just made it a link. No offense intended; i just don't understand why we don't/shouldn't do it this way.

Thanks. --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 20:12, 26 May 2016 (EDT)

P.S.--
http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Slice&diff=1097118&oldid=1097108
...Wow. Thanks! --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 20:15, 26 May 2016 (EDT)
:I'm not aware if it is specifically stated in any rule, but we don't do it anywhere on the wiki. If you think we should, bring it to the talk page. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 23:28, 31 May 2016 (EDT)

== Changing dates ==

Why are you changing dates to have the year first? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 06:22, 19 August 2016 (EDT)
:I'm sick of the confusion between U.S. and UK order, and in any case, ymd format is how the Japanese do it. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 12:05, 19 August 2016 (EDT)
::Not a huge fan, as I've always grown up with MDY, but I guess as long as it's consistent. BTW, the wiki server itself has "19 August 2016". --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 15:53, 19 August 2016 (EDT)

== Deluge vs Drench ==

Thanks to [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Shatterpoint&diff=1124654&oldid=1124649 you], the [[Shatterpoint]] article once again SAYS Generation 2 Deluge while it LINKS to G1 Deluge (who has a rather different deco from [[Deluge (G2)]]). i explained this in my edit summary. Please revert your revert.

--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 04:28, 31 August 2016 (EDT)
:Then maybe next time you should use proper text formatting. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 04:38, 31 August 2016 (EDT)
::i see. i thought it'd be fine to leave the franchise identifiers as suffixes rather than prefixes. (The way i had it wasn't even grammatically incorrect.) Sorry. For future reference, how would you feel about ''His color scheme is based somewhat loosely on that of [[Deluge (G1)|G1 Deluge]] or [[Drench (G2)|G2 Drench]],'' or ''His color scheme is based somewhat loosely on that of [[Deluge (G1)|Deluge]] or [[Drench (G2)|Drench]]''? Also, is there a reason you italicized "''Generation 2''" but not "Generation 1"? --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 04:55, 31 August 2016 (EDT)
:::Either of those should be fine, though I think the latter is a bit vague to readers. And ''Generation 2'' is italicized because it is the actual published product branding; "Generation 1" is a retronym for ''The Transformers''. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 05:48, 31 August 2016 (EDT)

== Animated Blackout IS Prominent Enough ==

How is Animated Blackout not prominent enough? We have Animated Perceptor on the [[Perceptor (disambiguation)]] page, and unlike Blackout, he doesn't even have a toy. Heck, we have RID Kickback on [[Kickback (disambiguation)]]. --[[User:DannyBoy|DannyBoy]] ([[User talk:DannyBoy|talk]]) 07:12, 23 September 2016 (EDT)
:Perhaps I acted in haste, but I don't count a single episode appearance and a toy which wasn't released in the U.S. as sufficiently prominent. Heck, ''Animated'' Perceptor and ''Robots in Disguise'' Kickback could probably be removed. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 07:17, 23 September 2016 (EDT)

== Club magazine content ==

We have only three more months to go in which "we have a 30 day grace period for FP magazine content to go on the wiki" is still relevant, so, like.... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 21:38, 22 October 2016 (EDT)
:? What have I done which hasn't been out for 30 days yet? Do you mean creating stubs for the SG Animated characters? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 21:43, 22 October 2016 (EDT)
::Isn't the Thunder Mayhem image from this most recent issue? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 21:55, 22 October 2016 (EDT)
:::Aha, it is not. Ignore me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 21:56, 22 October 2016 (EDT)

==Date formatting==
We don't format dates year-first. Never have. Nobody does. Stop changing this. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:25, 27 October 2016 (EDT)

== Reflist ==

Thanks for the backstop on Gargent 984.08 Alpha. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 18:35, 13 December 2016 (EST)

== "Anomie" Date error ==
Ultra Magnus or anybody, the date "1st cycle 3041" is way off, isn't it? Why remove this error? --[[User:Kmc|Kmc]] ([[User talk:Kmc|talk]]) 21:08, 3 February 2017 (EST)
:I thought the logical explanation was that James Roberts had deliberately refreshed the calendar to a new cycle. In any event, Chris McFeely moved it to issue #1's page. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 10:27, 4 February 2017 (EST)

==Kre-O moves==
When you move the Kre-O character page contents, try to remember that you're going to have to make some alterations/additions to the text. These new sections in the toy area will need links to "[[Kre-O]]" and "[[Kreon]]" in them since these would likely be the first instances of those words on those pages. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:41, 19 February 2017 (EST)
:I'll keep that in mind. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 19:42, 19 February 2017 (EST)

== Nemesis Prime ==

That character is the same one as Optimus Prime, though? I mean, it's not like say, Tankor, cause the basic remnants of the personality are still there, but evil. He's more like Rhinox in Dark Designs. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:15, 7 March 2017 (EST)
:I can see where you are coming from. The Nemesis Prime personality has a coloration of its own which fits with the rest of the "[[Nemesis Prime (G1)]]" page; hence why I think it all belongs on the Nemesis Prime page. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:20, 7 March 2017 (EST)
::Sure but isn't that also the case of say, Yokohama Convoy? I mean obviously Optimus doesn't have stickers on him. but still. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:22, 7 March 2017 (EST)

==Mini-Cons==
Why are you wiping out information on those pages? What is the point of sending readers to a separate page for repurposed toys? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:33, 26 April 2017 (EDT)

==Invasion Boxart==
Hey, I noticed that your crop for [[Treadshot (SG)|Treadshot]] had a better quality than simply cropping the lithograph online. Do you happen to have the entire Botcon 2012 lithograph by any chance? Thanks in advance
[[User:Ed|Ed]] ([[User talk:Ed|talk]]) 20:18, 26 April 2017 (EDT)
:I found a close-up shot from Seibertron from [https://www.seibertron.com/transformers-toys/gallery/exclusives/treadshot/2727/1/ their BotCon 2012 Treadshot gallery]. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 22:36, 26 April 2017 (EDT)
Oh, okay. Thanks [[User:Ed|Ed]] ([[User talk:Ed|talk]]) 00:04, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

== Foreign names ==

Pardon me if I'm wrong, but aren't all foreign names supposed to go at the end of articles? I thought that was the standard. [[User:Rotary|Rotary]] ([[User talk:Rotary|talk]]) 20:12, 15 May 2017 (EDT)
:When a character debuts in a foreign territory with a foreign-script name, the standard is just to put it at the top. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 20:27, 15 May 2017 (EDT)
::Oh, gotcha. My mistake. Thanks for fixing it! [[User:Rotary|Rotary]] ([[User talk:Rotary|talk]]) 20:32, 15 May 2017 (EDT)

== A Hopefully Friendly Suggestion ==
Hey, man, you're a friend, so I hope you take this the right way. I've noticed a recent trend in your edits towards trying to apply a kind of lawyery view of the wiky's policies towards the articles. Despite what Hermes Conrad says, technically correct is not always the best kind of correct. When you're faced with a corner case, like Clutch the Decepticon turned Renegade or the two Cryoteks, before you stake out a position, maybe you should ask yourself if you're actually making the wiki a better place. Is the Clutch article better now that it has an ugly "this article lacks any official visual representation" box? Would the two Cryoteks be better in any reasonable sense if you merge them? If the answer to either of those questions is no, then you should really take a step back and wonder if you are helping, or just stirring the pot. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 09:23, 18 June 2017 (EDT)

==Twinferno==
There is a Titans Return Deluxe Twinferno and a RID Warrior Twinferno. Please specify. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo|talk]]) 20:56, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
:EDIT: Nevermind. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo|talk]]) 20:57, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
::EDIT EDIT: I did some cross-checking, and to the best of my determination, Titans Return Voyager Alpha Trion came out around August and therefore wouldn't count as 4th quarter 2016 product. I realize you voted before I did the research, but would appreciate it if you would still alter your vote. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo|talk]]) 22:46, 10 July 2017 (EDT)

== Bad Boy and Dealbreaker ==
I've noticed that you've restored these names on Powerflash and Tap-Out's pages, but why? Bad Boy and Deal Breaker weren't names they personally identified themselves with, those names were just disguises. That's like writing on Optimus Prime's page, "also goes by Motormaster because he disguised as him in that one G1 episode." --[[User:Nom|Nom]] ([[User talk:Nom|talk]]) 01:47, 11 July 2017 (EDT)
:<nowiki>*shrug*</nowiki> I thought it was interesting. If you think it really doesn't belong, be my guest. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 22:23, 11 July 2017 (EDT)

== Bluestreak box art ==

[[File_talk:G1_Bluestreak_Boxart-Blue.jpg|Thanks.]] i still think Bluestreak's article should actually [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Bluestreak_%28G1%29&diff=1193253&oldid=1193203 show the miscolored art.] (Rather than just talking about it and linking to some [[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers|other article]] that shows it.) i used your pic this time. Let me know if there's a reason you think Bluestreak's article ''shouldn't'' show the Diaclone-colored box art.
--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 01:28, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

== "Autobot-allied Mini-Cons" ==

The Weaponizers ''did'' all explicitly become Autobots during the course of "[[Worthy]]", so I don't think saying "Autobot-allied" is accurate. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 00:27, 17 July 2017 (EDT)

== Shatterpoint ==

Thanks for catching that. I misread Wind-Sheer's page as SP being a Unicron BELIEVER. My bad. [[User:Crossfire|<font color="SlateGray">'''Cross'''</font>]][[User talk:Crossfire|<font color="Black">'''fire'''</font>]] 21:48, 16 January 2018 (EST)
:No problem! [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 21:50, 16 January 2018 (EST)

== Size classes ==

Why do you keep adding size classes to Japanese releases that are not sold at consistent price points like Hasbro products or sometimes not engineered to fit budgetary concerns? Godbomber and Super Ginrai were not sold at the same price point and weren't made with consideration to Hasbro's size class limitations; likewise, Blitzwing with Big Fight isn't the same thing as Leo Prime sold by himself. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:24, 19 March 2018 (EDT)

== Studio Series ==

Why are you having it so characters say Generations and Studio Series when they only have one Generations toy? Take any character from Generations released under a subline imprint, and when that is there only toy, it goes under the general Generations subheading instead. Why are you changing this for the Studio Series guys? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 15:59, 27 May 2018 (EDT)
:Okay I see, you posted something on the Community Portal, and I put my thoughts down. But I think you should've at least put the post up before you made all your changes to get more opinions on the subject. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 16:11, 27 May 2018 (EDT)

== Progress Report ==

All Combiner Wars images have been completed. [[User:Notirishman|notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 23:48, 15 July 2018 (EDT)
:T30 too. This leaves POTP and Movie Editon images out of Generations. [[User:Notirishman|notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 00:25, 16 July 2018 (EDT)

== JG1 toyline revamp ==

[[Generation 1 (Japanese toylines)|There]], better?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 06:22, 8 August 2018 (EDT)

== What's wrong with the redirects? ==

Why shouldn't we use redirects on pages? Should we avoid using redirects when the time arises? [[User:Notirishman|notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 00:49, 26 August 2018 (EDT)
:Yes, because it wastes time for users and is an unneeded load on the server. People eliminate redirects on the site all the time. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 22:03, 27 August 2018 (EDT)
::Okay, thank you, I wasn't aware. [[User:Notirishman|notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 22:11, 27 August 2018 (EDT)

We could use some '''serious''' help with removing all Ker-O-related redirects. It's too tiresome for one person to do alone! -[[User:NexusShard17|NexusShard17]] ([[User talk:NexusShard17|talk]]) 09:51, 26 September 2018 (EDT)

== Page Delection ==
The page currently titled "Jetfire (Movie)" is ready for deletion. All the necessary information from that page has been moved to the one titled "Jetfire (ROTF)". I am asking for help with deleting "Jetfire (Movie)" so "Jetfire (ROTF)" can be renamed as such. --[[User:NexusShard17|NexusShard17]] ([[User talk:NexusShard17|talk]]) 09:14, 19 September 2018 (EDT)
:Uh, he isn't an admin. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 09:48, 19 September 2018 (EDT)
::If that's the case, then who ''is''? -[[User:NexusShard17|NexusShard17]] ([[User talk:NexusShard17|talk]]) 09:52, 26 September 2018 (EDT)

== Hachette covers main image ==

I started filling these out assuming Guido Guidi was by default the artist of the "new" image, but I now realize this is not always the case. Several are by Don Figueroa and others. Do the books themselves ID the cover art? I hate having to put "unknown" but may have to in some cases. Is it listed online anywhere? [[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 17:20, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
:Sorry, that's not what I have seen from Hachette. I was hoping that by enlisting your help, I could find out the artists more easily. I'm not much of an art identifier myself. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:23, 8 October 2018 (EDT)

== Siege Leader Class Ultra Magnus ==

Why did you undo my edit? And why is there no mention of the ''War For Cybertron: Siege'' Leader Class Optimus Prime anywhere on this wiki? [[User:Bumblebee392|My other car is an Autobot.]] ([[User talk:Bumblebee392|talk]]) 15:25, 10 February 2019 (EST)
:Presumably because Leader Class Optimus hasn't been officially announced yet. We don't cover leaks here. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:35, 10 February 2019 (EST)

== Why? ==

OK, WHY put Animated Punch and Computron's pages up for deletion when you can just improve them? I mean, I understand why there's no effort, as I made the pages when I was still new to the wiki, but still, why out them up for deletion?--[[User:CyclonustheWarrior|CyclonustheWarrior]] ([[User talk:CyclonustheWarrior|talk]]) 13:23, 11 February 2019 (EST)
: A: you made them when you hadn't even read ''anything'' about the characters. B: instead of demanding others to do it for you, you should find out for yourself what they did, and then edit it in. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:29, 11 February 2019 (EST)
::This is getting frustrating. Look, I'll be more specific when I add pages now.--[[User:CyclonustheWarrior|CyclonustheWarrior]] ([[User talk:CyclonustheWarrior|talk]]) 13:35, 11 February 2019 (EST)
:::If you are only creating a page to say "this thing exists", don't create the page. If you don't have some actual info to put on there, it is better to leave it as a red link. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 14:20, 11 February 2019 (EST)

== IDW categories ==

There's no "move" tab on categories for me. - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] ([[User talk:Mammalian Verisimilitude|talk]]) 21:59, 27 March 2019 (EDT)
And when I manually enter it, I get:
:Permissions errors
:You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reason:
:Cannot move pages in namespace "Category"
- [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] ([[User talk:Mammalian Verisimilitude|talk]]) 22:00, 27 March 2019 (EDT)
:Huh, I could have sworn there was. Never mind that then. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 22:02, 27 March 2019 (EDT)

== Treble redirects ==

[https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&hidelinks=1&target=2005+IDW+continuity&namespace= Seriously?] - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] ([[User talk:Mammalian Verisimilitude|talk]]) 18:14, 3 April 2019 (EDT)
:Hold your horses; I will get to those soon enough. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 18:16, 3 April 2019 (EDT)

== BotCon Legacy Comic ==

I saw that you posted part of the 2015 BotCon Legacy comic on the Apelinq page and I was wondering if you had a scan of the full thing? - [[User:JDApex|JDApex]] ([[User talk:JDApex|talk]]) 20:30, 9 April 2019 (EDT)

== Hey Are you a Admin? ==
Hey I'm having some trouble finding the admins, I'm assuming because you make a lot of edits you're one? If not then that's okay. - https://tfwiki.net/wiki/User:Cyclonusawesome
:Haha, no I am merely a frequent user. If you would like to speak to active admins, your best bet is honestly to join the TFWiki's Discord server. https://discord.gg/tfwiki [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 04:28, 24 September 2020 (EDT)
Oh thank you

== Split Happy ==
Stop splitting every toy section into separate articles. Windcharger, Omega Supreme, Warpath, and the like don't need separate toy pages. [[User:Planned Planethood|Voxel]] ([[User talk:Planned Planethood|talk]]) 18:34, 11 December 2020 (EST)

==Jazz G2 Box Art==
I've got a good quality image here for Generation 2 Jazz but I don't really want to replace the image that's there already. What do you want me to do with it?
[[User:Doggus Fightus|Doggus Fightus]] ([[User talk:Doggus Fightus|talk]]) 13:18, 17 June 2021 (EDT)
:If it depicts the same box art, just do it. What is there not to improve? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:50, 17 June 2021 (EDT)

==Rubiplas Huffer pic==
Hey, why was the white background for the Rubiplas Huffer pic reverted? Is it because of the watermark? Because, I mean, it's already cut off in the pic as is anyways (and also adequately sourced in the image description as usual). ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 00:45, 2 May 2025 (EDT))
:Since it's been a week and you haven't provided an explanation as to why this was done, I've changed the image back to its white background version. Some explanation would be appreciated in future instances of reverting images. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 09:51, 7 May 2025 (EDT))

== Disambiguation pages ==

Hi, sorry, why are you changing all the disambiguation pages to use Skybound art with no discussion? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2025 (EST)
: I'm going to pre-emptively vote against replacing the art with Whatever Is New Now. Getting IDW flashbacks. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:32, 25 November 2025 (EST)
:: That's quite the ironic perspective on making a complaint given I got feedback years ago that "[[Blurr (disambiguation)]]" should not use an IDW Blurr image, hence my attempt to fix that gap with a Skybound Blurr image. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:56, 4 December 2025 (EST)
For god's sake, STOP IT. If you wantus to adjust our policy, bring it up in the community portal. Consider this a formal warning. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 18:28, 1 March 2026 (EST)

Talk:Black redeco

2026-03-01T02:31:39Z

Broadside:

I don't think G1 Skywarp really fits the description. He was before the trend of "black repainting" and he came out about at the same as the others, so I think Skywarp is just a redeco who happens to be black. Soundblaster is probably the first true example as an existing character who was redecoed as black. Also, I don't really see the point of this page, but that's OK. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:39, 3 September 2009 (EDT)
:The page is about a ''very'' noteworthy trend in TF toys -- it definitely belongs. I agree about Skywarp. A true "black repaint" is generally an "evil clone" or some other such nonsense, made solely because OMG BLAKK AWZUM. Skywarp's a legitimate independent character. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 11:53, 3 September 2009 (EDT)
::I disagree. How can a "repaint" (using the term loosely) that is black, not be a "black repaint"? Black repaints are extremely easy ways of making more uses of a mold. That many of them have been "evil clones" and such is a secondary phenomenon. Just my opinion. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 01:36, 3 January 2010 (EST)
::Skywarp is absolutely a black repaint. Saying he isn't because black repaints are usually evil clones or stealth mode variants is like saying Cybertron Longrack isn't really a construction vehicle redeco because construction vehicle redecoes are usually Constructicon homages: it's utterly ridiculous and you should be ashamed of yourselves.
::To take a slightly less "wtf are you stupid" approach, neither Scourge nor Soundblaster is a particularly strong match for our new arbitrarily restrictive definition either. Soundblaster would appear to have been motivated by "let's redeco Soundwave" and then black being selected as a color that looked nice, rather than the omgblackkewl mentality--otherwise, Twincast would be black as well (or perhaps white). Scourge is an evil clone in fiction, but not of the character whose toy he was redecoed from, which wasn't even from the same line--not at all in the same spirit as, say, Reverse Evolution Sixturbo. Universe Nemesis Prime has a similar problem; while he does ''look'' like the guy he's cloned from, that guy is fiction-only. If we're disqualifying Skywarp, then these three really shouldn't count either, which means we've kicked all the most prominent black repaints out of the black repaint club for not being black repainty enough.
::Oh, and Skywarp was a new color scheme for Transformers, while Starscream and Thundercracker were in Diaclone, so he ''is'' a black version of a preexisting toy. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]]
:::How do you even know Skywarp is even a repaint? Maybe he is the "paint" and Starscream and Thundercracker are the "repaint"s. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:10, 12 February 2010 (EST)
::::Well... Skywarp is the only deco not from the Diaclone line. So he's the repaint. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:17, 12 February 2010 (EST)
:::::Yeah but Diaclone is technically a different toy than Transformers. They just happen to use the same mold, so that shouldn't count. Starscream, Thundercracker, and Skywarp all debuted at the same time. If, say, Sunstorm was black, I could see the case for him being a black repaint. [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 16:24, 12 February 2010 (EST)
:::::For me, Black repaints are usually a crass attempt to squeese a few more bucks out of an old toy. Something like Stalker Scorpinok or Nightwatch Prime [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 16:27, 12 February 2010 (EST)
::::::ANY repaint is "a crass attempt to squeese a few more bucks out of an old toy", so how is that more relevant to the examples you gave than to any other repaint? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:48, 12 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::Because all three characters debuted at the same time. They are all repaints of one mold. It's like saying Huey is a ripoff of Dewey and Louie. Now, if a year later they came out with Shmuey, well Shmuey just seems like a lack of better ideas because the three original nephews are old news. I think the idea is that simply reissueing a previous (emphasis on "previous") mold in black or "evil" as opposed to a new, nifty character seems particually uninspired. Just my opinion. [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 16:19, 15 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::My god, this is ridiculous. "OH, SKYWARP IS A BLACK REDECO OF AN EXISTING TOY PREVIOUSLY AVAILABLE IN TWO NOT-BLACK COLOR SCHEMES THAT AREN'T ''TECHNICALLY'' TRANSFORMERS DESPITE BEING ESSENTIALLY IDENTICAL TO THEM, THEREFORE HE DOESN'T COUNT." And how the hell is he ''not'' a blatant excuse to try to get more money from an existing tooling? Was there some more "legitimate" reason Hasbro needed a third jet? No. Skywarp is a black repaint. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 11:12, 23 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::::He lack the traditional gold or aqua accents though! :3 -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:55, 23 February 2010 (EST)

Saying Skywarp is a black repaint completely misses the point of why this page exists and not, say, red repaint or green repaint. Also, this isn't a comprehensive list of all of them, but some notable examples. Soundblaster yes, Scourge oh GOD yes, probably Shadow Panther would be a good one, and the whole Nemesis Prime thing is kind of infamous. The fact that there is so much disagreement about Skywarp indicates that he's not a good representative example even if he might technically fit the criteria.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:20, 23 February 2010 (EST)
:The page exists because black redecos are common enough that they're thought of as their own "thing." Whether that is a good ''reason'' for the page to exist is another matter, but as the guy who made the page in the first place, I think I would have a pretty good idea of why it happened. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi, a.k.a. Can't-Stay-Logged-In-Man]] 14:04, 23 February 2010 (EST)
:So is Blackarachnia a black repaint?
::From the beginning this page has stated 1) Transformers are often repainted in black decos, 2) these decos are often evil clones. The first point is about toy manufacturing practice, the second about the storyline justification. It seems that Jim and several others want this page to be solely/primarily about the storyline justification; while Andrusi, myself and others see it as being primarily about the toy manufacturing process. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:16, 23 February 2010 (EST)
:::Skywarp existed well before the statement "Transformers are often repainted in black decos" was true. At the time, Transformers were not often repainted black, at least, not more than any other color. At best Skywarp can retroactively be called a "black repaint", which is weird. I just think he is a redeco that happens to be black. It is kind of like [[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]] and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]. Are they examples of [[blastification]]? They predate blastification. They aren't part of blastification, they just happen to have "Blast" in their name. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:30, 23 February 2010 (EST)
:::Well put, Starfield. But I was attempting to synthesize the two viewpoints into something that all could live with. Certainly, Skywarp is a black transformer toy where the mold has also been used for non-black color schemes, I can see how he'd be worth a mention. I do think that the timing makes it pretty sketchy, but hey, with a bit of a qualifier I'm fine with leaving it in. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 14:31, 23 February 2010 (EST)
::::The whole "transformers are often repainted in black decos" is a backward looking statement, so I fail to see how the first instance can be excluded. There was a mold, it was released in other colors and in black. That IS the very definition of black repaint as a toy manufacturing process. Blaster and Blast-Off are excluded from Blastification because they did not have preexisting names that were changed to Blast-something or other. Moving on, I also appreciate Jim's attempt to synthesize the two viewpoints and actually like how he has done it. I consider the matter closed. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:11, 23 February 2010 (EST)
::::Yes, I thought your note on Skywarp was good. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:37, 23 February 2010 (EST)
::::The reasoning "the article mentions that black repaints are common, and Skywarp came out before they were common, so clearly he is not a black repaint" makes me want to hurt someone. The top of Kup's article says he's old--does that mean that, when he was younger, he wasn't Kup?
::::As for the blastification argument, Blast Off and Blaster are excluded because in both cases the "blast" makes sense in a meaningful way, which is contrary to the definition of the word--note that the article ''does'' consider [[Aquablast]], who predates the concept by over a decade, to be an example. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 14:54, 23 February 2010 (EST)
:::::This article needs to be focused on toys with specific criteria beyond "is black", otherwise there's no reason to justify a lack of pages for red repaints, blue repaints, silver repaints... The term '''black repaint''' has specific connotations that separate it from any random repaint. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 19:20, 23 February 2010 (EST)
:*sigh* Jim and Starfield are right. Skywarp is not a black repaint in the way that this article defines black repaints. (Will anyone hurt me if I say this should technically be at Black Redeco?) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:00, 23 February 2010 (EST)
::The article defines black repaints (a term which it justifies in the second sentence: "The term is usually inaccurate, as the toys are almost always redecos and not actually repaints, but the name has stuck.") as redecos which are black, and mentions in the middle of the article that a lot of the time they're evil counterparts or stealth modes. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 15:03, 23 February 2010 (EST)
::::Potentially key distinction: Black repaints are '''never''' the first/primary use of a mold. Skywarp was one of 3 simultaneous first uses of that mold, and thus wouldn't qualify any more than Scamper would. More to the point... just coloring a toy in black does not a black-repaint make. "Black repaint" is a ''concept'', and while it's a bit squishy around the edges, merely "toys which are colored black" does not meet its base requirements. Movieverse Skywarp came out later-- but he's ''still'' not a black repaint of Starscream, because "Black Repaint" != "a black redeco."
::::Black Repaints are variants, special versions, or "reflections" of previously existing characters. Powerups, special-use decos, convention exclusives... or evil clones. The term is toyetic, but it's strongly entwined with fiction as well. The prototypical examples are probably JAFCON Optimus Prime (2000, black recolor of the 1984 toy, no story), E-Hobby Starscream (2001, got a bio-card relating to/explaining his colors) and Black Rodimus (2001, evil clone bio.) Throw in some historical notes-- Raideen got a black repaint (or was that in Diaclone only?) and Battle Conboy from CR as the first black repaint in mainstream fiction. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:14, 23 February 2010 (EST)
:::::Obviously first uses are not repaints, but the simultaneity of release means that Skywarp is not unambiguously first. Second, you consider it a concept that means what you have gone on to mention. Many others consider it only the reuse of a toy mold in dark colors. The article is phrased (and has always been phrased) in such a way that the evil redeco is not part of the basic definition. That's what is confusing. If the term was defined as a dark deco version of a toy released as an evil clone, then no Skywarp would not qualify. The way the article is, Skywarp does qualify. What you and others WANT the article to be is not necessarily what it has been. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:21, 23 February 2010 (EST)
::::::No, I think black redecos are "part" of the whole Black-repaint concept... but only if they're '''same-character''' redecos.
::::::Under this logic [[Deep Cover]] would not be considered a Black repaint. But if his bio made him an evil clone of Sideswipe, he would be. Conversely Soundblaster obviously is-- a "powered up version."
::::::Suggest that the article should open '''''The term "black repaint"''' refers to a concept...'', and maybe we create a very short "Black redeco" article which helps defines the term in contrast-- "a black redeco is any toy which is redeco'd in black. Many but not all are also [[black repaint]]s" or something like that. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:31, 23 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::I'm willing to concede Black Repaints to including more than just redeco's of the same character. I just don't get the idea that any mold painted in black fits the defintition of "Black Repaint" as a concept. If that's the case, then the Insecticons are black repaints too. Heck, if Hasbro changed one detail on the molds that would become Trailbreaker and Ravage, then they're black repaints too. These seem more justified as toys as does Skywarp (Did you see the meager Decepticon ranks the first year, they needed at least three jets to fill them out). When the Transformesr brand were created, certain molds were selected and sometimes the color black was used on them. It's not the same as tossing out a previous mold under no other justification than "well, he's black now" which is the complaint behind "Black Repaint".[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 16:29, 23 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::Each of your counter examples is the first use of the mold as a Transformer, and thus would not be a "repaint" at all. If Skywarp had been released first and then the other two seekers, he would not be a repaint either. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:39, 23 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::: The Insecticons were originally Insecter Robo in the Diaclone line in different colors. By your definition they are black repaints.[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 16:47, 23 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::::Different toyline, doesn't count. Black repaints to me mean a reuse within the same toyline. Skywarp counts because his deco was decided on after those of his concurrently released moldmates. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:21, 23 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::But you don't know whose deco was decided on first. Like I said earlier, all three debuted at the same time so none of them can be repaints of each other. For all you know, Hasbro developed the colorscheme for Skywarp first then said, "Hell with it. Lets use the the same colorscheme's that other toyline used." You can't discount the Diaclone toys for the Insecticon argument but use diaclone to argue for Skywarp.[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 19:55, 23 February 2010 (EST)
Wow! this has gone on for a while. Maybe black repaints are in the eye of the beholder. I really like the version Jim used to describe Skywarp.[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 19:55, 23 February 2010 (EST)
:Well, [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]], and [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]], we appear to be at an impasse. "I really like the version Jim used to describe Skywarp." - Riddlerj. "Moving on, I also appreciate Jim's attempt to synthesize the two viewpoints and actually like how he has done it. I consider the matter closed." Khajidha. I think the two of you will have to just agree to agree on this matter.
:Seriously, thought, I think we've got a working compromise here. Let's not waste time endlessly debating something that we mostly seem to agree is working as-is.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 20:31, 23 February 2010 (EST)
::There was a thing a while back, I think Hydra posted it to ATT back in the day, about black repaints as a Japan-specific thing, that it was just something that Japanese toy companies ''do''. There's a black repaint of the MMPR Megazord that doesn't make any real sense, it's just cool. Anyone recall this, and know more about the cultural thing? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 23:11, 23 February 2010 (EST)

== On a completely unrelated note ==
We should probably have a picture on this page of someone who ''doesn't'' turn into a lion. Anyone have a particular example they want? --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 15:12, 23 February 2010 (EST)
:Either Scourge, as the most prominent "ascended" example, or just a pic of various black repaints like the Creamsicle Squad on [[Sunstorm (disambiguation)]] -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:20, 23 February 2010 (EST)

==Stealth==
Does anyone know for certain the first black repaint for stealth?--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 09:46, 27 February 2010 (EST)
: Ever? GIJoe had "Night Force" as far back as 1988 or so, that was just black "night attack" repaints of toys from two-three years earlier. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 09:57, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::I think limiting our scope to Transformers might be more productive.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 10:27, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:::Did any Night Force versions of the GI Joe characters ever show up in TF fiction? If so, then a note similar to the one about Serpentor on [[Gold Plastic Syndrome]] might be appropriate. But ONLY if the Night Force version was used in TF fiction. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:57, 27 February 2010 (EST)

==Seriously, I counted.==
There are 11 black repaints of Movie Bumblebee toys, and then a couple more of the RPMs, Battle Chargers, etc. That's a shitton of STEALTH NIGHT STRIKE WHATEVER Bumblebee. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 10:17, 27 September 2013 (EDT)

==Ludicrous Examples==
I think Darkside Megatron is a dumb enough concept to be included here, based solely on the fact that he's an evil clone of ''Megatron.'' Voxel 07:11, 20 July 2020 (EDT)

== Other possible considerations ==
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:There are 20 images already. You are going to need a compelling reason to add more. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:50, 6 December 2024 (EST)

== Does this page need to exist? ==

I'm really struggling to see the point of this one. There's no meaningful information conveyed here beyond "transformers get redecoed in black more often than other colours, and sometimes it's for stealth, and sometimes they're evil clones". It's not even effective as a summary of fan terminology, because that was always "black repaint"! If people are really attached to it as a piece of historical context, I'm willing to listen, but as it stands this doesn't feel either informative or funny enough to stick around. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 21:30, 28 February 2026 (EST)

Talk:Black redeco

2026-03-01T02:30:29Z

Broadside: /* Does this page need to exist? */ new section

I don't think G1 Skywarp really fits the description. He was before the trend of "black repainting" and he came out about at the same as the others, so I think Skywarp is just a redeco who happens to be black. Soundblaster is probably the first true example as an existing character who was redecoed as black. Also, I don't really see the point of this page, but that's OK. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:39, 3 September 2009 (EDT)
:The page is about a ''very'' noteworthy trend in TF toys -- it definitely belongs. I agree about Skywarp. A true "black repaint" is generally an "evil clone" or some other such nonsense, made solely because OMG BLAKK AWZUM. Skywarp's a legitimate independent character. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 11:53, 3 September 2009 (EDT)
::I disagree. How can a "repaint" (using the term loosely) that is black, not be a "black repaint"? Black repaints are extremely easy ways of making more uses of a mold. That many of them have been "evil clones" and such is a secondary phenomenon. Just my opinion. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 01:36, 3 January 2010 (EST)
::Skywarp is absolutely a black repaint. Saying he isn't because black repaints are usually evil clones or stealth mode variants is like saying Cybertron Longrack isn't really a construction vehicle redeco because construction vehicle redecoes are usually Constructicon homages: it's utterly ridiculous and you should be ashamed of yourselves.
::To take a slightly less "wtf are you stupid" approach, neither Scourge nor Soundblaster is a particularly strong match for our new arbitrarily restrictive definition either. Soundblaster would appear to have been motivated by "let's redeco Soundwave" and then black being selected as a color that looked nice, rather than the omgblackkewl mentality--otherwise, Twincast would be black as well (or perhaps white). Scourge is an evil clone in fiction, but not of the character whose toy he was redecoed from, which wasn't even from the same line--not at all in the same spirit as, say, Reverse Evolution Sixturbo. Universe Nemesis Prime has a similar problem; while he does ''look'' like the guy he's cloned from, that guy is fiction-only. If we're disqualifying Skywarp, then these three really shouldn't count either, which means we've kicked all the most prominent black repaints out of the black repaint club for not being black repainty enough.
::Oh, and Skywarp was a new color scheme for Transformers, while Starscream and Thundercracker were in Diaclone, so he ''is'' a black version of a preexisting toy. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]]
:::How do you even know Skywarp is even a repaint? Maybe he is the "paint" and Starscream and Thundercracker are the "repaint"s. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:10, 12 February 2010 (EST)
::::Well... Skywarp is the only deco not from the Diaclone line. So he's the repaint. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:17, 12 February 2010 (EST)
:::::Yeah but Diaclone is technically a different toy than Transformers. They just happen to use the same mold, so that shouldn't count. Starscream, Thundercracker, and Skywarp all debuted at the same time. If, say, Sunstorm was black, I could see the case for him being a black repaint. [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 16:24, 12 February 2010 (EST)
:::::For me, Black repaints are usually a crass attempt to squeese a few more bucks out of an old toy. Something like Stalker Scorpinok or Nightwatch Prime [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 16:27, 12 February 2010 (EST)
::::::ANY repaint is "a crass attempt to squeese a few more bucks out of an old toy", so how is that more relevant to the examples you gave than to any other repaint? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:48, 12 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::Because all three characters debuted at the same time. They are all repaints of one mold. It's like saying Huey is a ripoff of Dewey and Louie. Now, if a year later they came out with Shmuey, well Shmuey just seems like a lack of better ideas because the three original nephews are old news. I think the idea is that simply reissueing a previous (emphasis on "previous") mold in black or "evil" as opposed to a new, nifty character seems particually uninspired. Just my opinion. [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 16:19, 15 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::My god, this is ridiculous. "OH, SKYWARP IS A BLACK REDECO OF AN EXISTING TOY PREVIOUSLY AVAILABLE IN TWO NOT-BLACK COLOR SCHEMES THAT AREN'T ''TECHNICALLY'' TRANSFORMERS DESPITE BEING ESSENTIALLY IDENTICAL TO THEM, THEREFORE HE DOESN'T COUNT." And how the hell is he ''not'' a blatant excuse to try to get more money from an existing tooling? Was there some more "legitimate" reason Hasbro needed a third jet? No. Skywarp is a black repaint. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 11:12, 23 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::::He lack the traditional gold or aqua accents though! :3 -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:55, 23 February 2010 (EST)

Saying Skywarp is a black repaint completely misses the point of why this page exists and not, say, red repaint or green repaint. Also, this isn't a comprehensive list of all of them, but some notable examples. Soundblaster yes, Scourge oh GOD yes, probably Shadow Panther would be a good one, and the whole Nemesis Prime thing is kind of infamous. The fact that there is so much disagreement about Skywarp indicates that he's not a good representative example even if he might technically fit the criteria.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:20, 23 February 2010 (EST)
:The page exists because black redecos are common enough that they're thought of as their own "thing." Whether that is a good ''reason'' for the page to exist is another matter, but as the guy who made the page in the first place, I think I would have a pretty good idea of why it happened. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi, a.k.a. Can't-Stay-Logged-In-Man]] 14:04, 23 February 2010 (EST)
:So is Blackarachnia a black repaint?
::From the beginning this page has stated 1) Transformers are often repainted in black decos, 2) these decos are often evil clones. The first point is about toy manufacturing practice, the second about the storyline justification. It seems that Jim and several others want this page to be solely/primarily about the storyline justification; while Andrusi, myself and others see it as being primarily about the toy manufacturing process. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:16, 23 February 2010 (EST)
:::Skywarp existed well before the statement "Transformers are often repainted in black decos" was true. At the time, Transformers were not often repainted black, at least, not more than any other color. At best Skywarp can retroactively be called a "black repaint", which is weird. I just think he is a redeco that happens to be black. It is kind of like [[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]] and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]. Are they examples of [[blastification]]? They predate blastification. They aren't part of blastification, they just happen to have "Blast" in their name. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:30, 23 February 2010 (EST)
:::Well put, Starfield. But I was attempting to synthesize the two viewpoints into something that all could live with. Certainly, Skywarp is a black transformer toy where the mold has also been used for non-black color schemes, I can see how he'd be worth a mention. I do think that the timing makes it pretty sketchy, but hey, with a bit of a qualifier I'm fine with leaving it in. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 14:31, 23 February 2010 (EST)
::::The whole "transformers are often repainted in black decos" is a backward looking statement, so I fail to see how the first instance can be excluded. There was a mold, it was released in other colors and in black. That IS the very definition of black repaint as a toy manufacturing process. Blaster and Blast-Off are excluded from Blastification because they did not have preexisting names that were changed to Blast-something or other. Moving on, I also appreciate Jim's attempt to synthesize the two viewpoints and actually like how he has done it. I consider the matter closed. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:11, 23 February 2010 (EST)
::::Yes, I thought your note on Skywarp was good. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:37, 23 February 2010 (EST)
::::The reasoning "the article mentions that black repaints are common, and Skywarp came out before they were common, so clearly he is not a black repaint" makes me want to hurt someone. The top of Kup's article says he's old--does that mean that, when he was younger, he wasn't Kup?
::::As for the blastification argument, Blast Off and Blaster are excluded because in both cases the "blast" makes sense in a meaningful way, which is contrary to the definition of the word--note that the article ''does'' consider [[Aquablast]], who predates the concept by over a decade, to be an example. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 14:54, 23 February 2010 (EST)
:::::This article needs to be focused on toys with specific criteria beyond "is black", otherwise there's no reason to justify a lack of pages for red repaints, blue repaints, silver repaints... The term '''black repaint''' has specific connotations that separate it from any random repaint. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 19:20, 23 February 2010 (EST)
:*sigh* Jim and Starfield are right. Skywarp is not a black repaint in the way that this article defines black repaints. (Will anyone hurt me if I say this should technically be at Black Redeco?) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:00, 23 February 2010 (EST)
::The article defines black repaints (a term which it justifies in the second sentence: "The term is usually inaccurate, as the toys are almost always redecos and not actually repaints, but the name has stuck.") as redecos which are black, and mentions in the middle of the article that a lot of the time they're evil counterparts or stealth modes. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 15:03, 23 February 2010 (EST)
::::Potentially key distinction: Black repaints are '''never''' the first/primary use of a mold. Skywarp was one of 3 simultaneous first uses of that mold, and thus wouldn't qualify any more than Scamper would. More to the point... just coloring a toy in black does not a black-repaint make. "Black repaint" is a ''concept'', and while it's a bit squishy around the edges, merely "toys which are colored black" does not meet its base requirements. Movieverse Skywarp came out later-- but he's ''still'' not a black repaint of Starscream, because "Black Repaint" != "a black redeco."
::::Black Repaints are variants, special versions, or "reflections" of previously existing characters. Powerups, special-use decos, convention exclusives... or evil clones. The term is toyetic, but it's strongly entwined with fiction as well. The prototypical examples are probably JAFCON Optimus Prime (2000, black recolor of the 1984 toy, no story), E-Hobby Starscream (2001, got a bio-card relating to/explaining his colors) and Black Rodimus (2001, evil clone bio.) Throw in some historical notes-- Raideen got a black repaint (or was that in Diaclone only?) and Battle Conboy from CR as the first black repaint in mainstream fiction. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:14, 23 February 2010 (EST)
:::::Obviously first uses are not repaints, but the simultaneity of release means that Skywarp is not unambiguously first. Second, you consider it a concept that means what you have gone on to mention. Many others consider it only the reuse of a toy mold in dark colors. The article is phrased (and has always been phrased) in such a way that the evil redeco is not part of the basic definition. That's what is confusing. If the term was defined as a dark deco version of a toy released as an evil clone, then no Skywarp would not qualify. The way the article is, Skywarp does qualify. What you and others WANT the article to be is not necessarily what it has been. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:21, 23 February 2010 (EST)
::::::No, I think black redecos are "part" of the whole Black-repaint concept... but only if they're '''same-character''' redecos.
::::::Under this logic [[Deep Cover]] would not be considered a Black repaint. But if his bio made him an evil clone of Sideswipe, he would be. Conversely Soundblaster obviously is-- a "powered up version."
::::::Suggest that the article should open '''''The term "black repaint"''' refers to a concept...'', and maybe we create a very short "Black redeco" article which helps defines the term in contrast-- "a black redeco is any toy which is redeco'd in black. Many but not all are also [[black repaint]]s" or something like that. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:31, 23 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::I'm willing to concede Black Repaints to including more than just redeco's of the same character. I just don't get the idea that any mold painted in black fits the defintition of "Black Repaint" as a concept. If that's the case, then the Insecticons are black repaints too. Heck, if Hasbro changed one detail on the molds that would become Trailbreaker and Ravage, then they're black repaints too. These seem more justified as toys as does Skywarp (Did you see the meager Decepticon ranks the first year, they needed at least three jets to fill them out). When the Transformesr brand were created, certain molds were selected and sometimes the color black was used on them. It's not the same as tossing out a previous mold under no other justification than "well, he's black now" which is the complaint behind "Black Repaint".[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 16:29, 23 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::Each of your counter examples is the first use of the mold as a Transformer, and thus would not be a "repaint" at all. If Skywarp had been released first and then the other two seekers, he would not be a repaint either. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:39, 23 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::: The Insecticons were originally Insecter Robo in the Diaclone line in different colors. By your definition they are black repaints.[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 16:47, 23 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::::Different toyline, doesn't count. Black repaints to me mean a reuse within the same toyline. Skywarp counts because his deco was decided on after those of his concurrently released moldmates. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:21, 23 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::But you don't know whose deco was decided on first. Like I said earlier, all three debuted at the same time so none of them can be repaints of each other. For all you know, Hasbro developed the colorscheme for Skywarp first then said, "Hell with it. Lets use the the same colorscheme's that other toyline used." You can't discount the Diaclone toys for the Insecticon argument but use diaclone to argue for Skywarp.[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 19:55, 23 February 2010 (EST)
Wow! this has gone on for a while. Maybe black repaints are in the eye of the beholder. I really like the version Jim used to describe Skywarp.[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 19:55, 23 February 2010 (EST)
:Well, [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]], and [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]], we appear to be at an impasse. "I really like the version Jim used to describe Skywarp." - Riddlerj. "Moving on, I also appreciate Jim's attempt to synthesize the two viewpoints and actually like how he has done it. I consider the matter closed." Khajidha. I think the two of you will have to just agree to agree on this matter.
:Seriously, thought, I think we've got a working compromise here. Let's not waste time endlessly debating something that we mostly seem to agree is working as-is.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 20:31, 23 February 2010 (EST)
::There was a thing a while back, I think Hydra posted it to ATT back in the day, about black repaints as a Japan-specific thing, that it was just something that Japanese toy companies ''do''. There's a black repaint of the MMPR Megazord that doesn't make any real sense, it's just cool. Anyone recall this, and know more about the cultural thing? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 23:11, 23 February 2010 (EST)

== On a completely unrelated note ==
We should probably have a picture on this page of someone who ''doesn't'' turn into a lion. Anyone have a particular example they want? --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 15:12, 23 February 2010 (EST)
:Either Scourge, as the most prominent "ascended" example, or just a pic of various black repaints like the Creamsicle Squad on [[Sunstorm (disambiguation)]] -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:20, 23 February 2010 (EST)

==Stealth==
Does anyone know for certain the first black repaint for stealth?--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 09:46, 27 February 2010 (EST)
: Ever? GIJoe had "Night Force" as far back as 1988 or so, that was just black "night attack" repaints of toys from two-three years earlier. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 09:57, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::I think limiting our scope to Transformers might be more productive.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 10:27, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:::Did any Night Force versions of the GI Joe characters ever show up in TF fiction? If so, then a note similar to the one about Serpentor on [[Gold Plastic Syndrome]] might be appropriate. But ONLY if the Night Force version was used in TF fiction. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:57, 27 February 2010 (EST)

==Seriously, I counted.==
There are 11 black repaints of Movie Bumblebee toys, and then a couple more of the RPMs, Battle Chargers, etc. That's a shitton of STEALTH NIGHT STRIKE WHATEVER Bumblebee. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 10:17, 27 September 2013 (EDT)

==Ludicrous Examples==
I think Darkside Megatron is a dumb enough concept to be included here, based solely on the fact that he's an evil clone of ''Megatron.'' Voxel 07:11, 20 July 2020 (EDT)

== Other possible considerations ==
(removed list) {{unsigned|JasonTFWIKI}}
:There are 20 images already. You are going to need a compelling reason to add more. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:50, 6 December 2024 (EST)

== Does this page need to exist? ==

I'm really struggling to see the point of this one. There's no meaningful information conveyed here beyond "transformers get redecoed in black more often than other colours, and sometimes it's for stealth, and sometimes they're evil clones, and sometimes they're skywarp". It's not even effective as a summary of fan terminology, because that was always "black repaint"! If people are really attached to it as a piece of historical context, I'm willing to listen, but as it stands this doesn't feel either informative or funny enough to stick around. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 21:30, 28 February 2026 (EST)

Star Eagle

2026-02-28T01:28:52Z

Broadside: this one was agreed on in the discord's editing server

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[[File:StarEagle PackagingArt.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5|Did you know the average lifespan of an empire is 250 years?]]

'''Star Eagle''' is a [[Maximal]] who celebrates the [[United States of America]].
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==Toys==
===''Transformers''===
[[File:USA Star Eagle Toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5|Still nowhere near as much of a red-blooded American as [[Valvotron|the guy that transforms into an oil can.]]]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-m1|'''Star Eagle''' (Deluxe Class, [[2026]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': 2 rocket blasters<ref>[https://newsroom.hasbro.com/static-files/bd7a8f8c-7280-468e-b732-1e39efae6f4c Hasbro press release] description calls the rockets "attachable rocket blaster accessories"</ref>
{{toydesigner|[[Yūya Ōnishi]] (TakaraTomy)}}

: Releasing to commemorate the 250th anniversary of the United States signing their Declaration of Independence, "Star Eagle" is a redeco of Deluxe Class [[Airazor (BW)#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Airazor]] from the ''[[War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Kingdom]]'' line, transforming into a realistic peregrine falcon colored as a red, white and blue bald eagle in 22 steps. The beast mode has multiple joints in their wings, legs, and head, and an opening beak. Star Eagle includes two red rocket accessories that can be held in their hands or attach to their arms, and can store on their beast mode rear.

: Being designed to celebrate the USA, Star Eagle's packaging is decked with several stars and stripes on the box's outside and the cardboard inserts. Unlike the [[Nerf]] blasters that Hasbro is also releasing under the 250th anniversary branding, Star Eagle lacks any tacky stars or stripes on the figure itself.

: It is currently unknown if the wings' stress mark issue from the original Airazor release is still present.

: Per the press release, pre-orders for Star Eagle will begin in March 2026 on Walmart and Hasbro Pulse, and will ship in Spring 2026. Star Eagle's package does not appear to mention any toyline, but the design closely adheres to the new layout followed by the [[2025]] ''[[Transformers: Age of the Primes|Age of the Primes]]'' and ''[[Studio Series]]'' toylines.

{{WFCKingdomAirazorMold}}

{{comingsoontoy|Spring 2026}}
{{--}}

==Notes==

* Star Eagle is part of a [[Walmart]]-exclusive initiative across multiple [[Hasbro]] brands to, uh, celebrate the United States' 250th anniversary in [[2026]]. Other toylines getting the USA treatment include [[Nerf]]—so children can patriotically shoot at <s>each other</s> soda cans with star-spangled sidearms bearing fanciful names such as "Dunk-Fill Freedom", "Freedom Frenzy", and the van mural-style "Stars & Stripes Eagle Blaster"—and ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]]'', via [[Super7]]'s ReAction+ line, which features the Real American Heroes [[Duke (G.I. Joe)|Duke]], [[Lady Jaye]], [[Snake-Eyes]], and [[Falcon (G.I. Joe)|Falcon]] in red, white, and blue fatigues. <small>Yuck.</small>

==References==
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[[Category:Maximals]]
[[Category:United States of America]]

Star Eagle

2026-02-16T20:04:37Z

Broadside:

{{factions|maximal}}
[[File:USA Star Eagle Toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5|Did you know the average lifespan of an empire is 250 years?]]

'''Star Eagle''' is a [[Maximal]] who celebrates the [[United States of America]].

==Toys==
===''Transformers''===
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-m1|'''Star Eagle''' (Deluxe Class, [[2026]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': 2 rocket blasters<ref>[https://newsroom.hasbro.com/static-files/bd7a8f8c-7280-468e-b732-1e39efae6f4c Hasbro press release] description calls the rockets "attachable rocket blaster accessories"</ref>
{{toydesigner|[[Yūya Ōnishi]] (TakaraTomy)}}

: Releasing to commemorate the 250th anniversary of the United States signing their Declaration of Independence, "Star Eagle" is a redeco of Deluxe Class [[Airazor (BW)#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Airazor]] from the ''[[War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Kingdom]]'' line, transforming into a realistic peregrine falcon colored as a red, white and blue bald eagle in 22 steps. The beast mode has multiple joints in their wings, legs, and head, and an opening beak. Star Eagle includes two red rocket accessories that can be held in their hands or attach to their arms, and can store on their beast mode rear.

: Being designed to celebrate the USA, Star Eagle's packaging is decked with several starts and stripes on the box's outside and the cardboard inserts. Unlike the [[Nerf]] blasters that Hasbro is also releasing under the 250th anniversary branding, Star Eagle lacks any tacky stars or stripes on the figure itself.

: It is currently unknown if the wings' stress mark issue from the original Airazor release is still present.

: Per the press release, pre-orders for Star Eagle will begin in March 2026 on Walmart and Hasbro Pulse, and will ship in Spring 2026. Star Eagle's package does not appear to mention any toyline, but the design closely adheres to the new layout followed by the [[2025]] ''[[Transformers: Age of the Primes|Age of the Primes]]'' and ''[[Studio Series]]'' toylines.

{{WFCKingdomAirazorMold}}

{{comingsoontoy|Spring 2026}}
{{--}}

==Notes==

* Star Eagle is part of a [[Walmart]]-exclusive initiative across multiple [[Hasbro]] brands to, uh, celebrate the United States' 250th anniversary in [[2026]]. Other toylines getting the USA treatment include [[Nerf]]—so children can patriotically shoot at <s>each other</s> soda cans with star-spangled sidearms bearing fanciful names such as "Dunk-Fill Freedom", "Freedom Frenzy", and the van mural-style "Stars & Stripes Eagle Blaster"—and ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]]'', via [[Super7]]'s ReAction+ line, which features the Real American Heroes [[Duke (G.I. Joe)|Duke]], [[Lady Jaye]], [[Snake-Eyes]], and [[Falcon (G.I. Joe)|Falcon]] in red, white, and blue fatigues. <small>Yuck.</small>

==References==
{{Reflist}}

[[Category:Maximals]]
[[Category:United States of America]]

Liege Maximo

2026-01-31T18:16:57Z

Broadside:

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[[File:Liegemaximo.jpg|upright=2.3|thumb|Here I go again on my throne.]]
Evil is infinite, a natural counterforce to good in the universe that can never be truly defeated. None strikes greater fear into the [[sparks]] of Transformers than the horned demon, destroyer of worlds—wait, no, that's [[Unicron|his uncle]]. Still, of the [[Thirteen]] primordial deities, there is one whose planet-shaking evil was so unforgivable that—no, wait, that's [[The Fallen|his brother]].

Look, the '''Liege Maximo''' is still pretty evil, okay? Either he's the Prime of pure evil—the inevitable counterpart of the goodness embodied in [[Prima|the first Prime]], the root of [[Decepticon|all evil]], his name [[Maximal#2005 IDW continuity|reverberating through the ages]]—''ooor'' he's the Prime of lies. He's definitely at least one of those.

And what evil plans he has! [[Hot Rod (ES)|Manipulating others]] with his silver tongue, gathering [[Emberstone|artifacts]] and [[Cybertronian (faction)|allies]], biding his time, waiting for the planets to come into [[Hub (G2)|alignment]]. Boy are the Transformers in for it. Darts will be involved! You know—the [[Liegian Darts]]? The Liege Maximo's famous darts. Trust him, it's going to be epic.

==Fiction==
===Marvel ''Generation 2'' comic===
From the Liege Maximo were [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] and the [[Decepticon]]s descended. The Liege Maximo's throne sat at the [[Hub (G2)|Hub]], a network of planetoids created by the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian Empire]] that existed in the outer fringes of known space.

With the [[Liege Centuro]] [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] destroyed, Jhiaxus's fleet wiped out by [[Swarm (G2)|The Swarm]], and the [[Autobot]]s and Decepticons united in peace under one banner, [[Rook (G2)|Rook]] reported to the Liege Maximo on the day's devastating events. The Liege Maximo, an ancient and monumental titan, accepted the destruction of Jhiaxus's forces as merely a minor disruption. Sneering at the Transformers' alliance as a fragile thing, the Liege Maximo promised a day of reckoning. {{storylink|A Rage in Heaven!|A Rage in Heaven!}}

====Alignment====
{{note|"Alignment" was written by [[Simon Furman]] without permission of [[Hasbro]] and is included here as [[pseudocanon]] to provide insight into [[authorial intent]].}}
[[File:Alignment Liege Maximo.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5|Woe, darts be upon ye]]
Liege Maximo was one of the [[Thirteen|thirteen original Transformers]] created by [[Primus]]. Unlike his fellows, he had chosen not to [[Reproduction|subdivide]] repeatedly, doing so only selectively. This created a small taint in the Transformer race which spread through subsequent generations, ultimately flowering with the rise of the Decepticons. Because of this sparse sub-division, the Liege Maximo's connection to the divine origins of the Transformer race was comparatively undiluted, and he sought to embrace it. To this end, he instructed Jhiaxus and the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian Empire]] to subject various planets to [[cyberforming|eco-structuring]]. These planets were steadily woven together to form the Hub, a massive, resonating structure that would allow him to ascend to the realm of the gods. Two Transformer groups, one led by [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] and one by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Magnus]] and [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]], disrupted this process by forcing the Liege to leave his corporeal body, then destroying both it and his portal. Left with nowhere to go, the Liege Maximo's essence dissipated, and he was destroyed. {{storylink|Alignment}}

====Ask Vector Prime====
In [[Primax 490.0 Gamma]], the Maximo actually became a heroic figure: Unicron devouring Cybertron had caused Primus's essence to be scattered among the surviving Transformers, most of whom were now the Cybertronian Empire. The Liege Maximo would lead this reformed army and the survivors of Cybertron against Unicron, finally battling the Chaos Bringer himself on the astral plane. He saved this reality at the cost of his own spark. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/24}}

In [[Primax 994.0 Gamma]], the Liege Maximo's plot for ascension was foiled by the Autobots, prompting Liege Centuro [[Firecrest]] to move the remnants of the Cybertronian Empire to [[Planet X (Cybertron)|Planet X]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/05}}

===3H comics===
The [[Covenant (group)|Covenant]] witnessed a vision of the ancient past, in which the Liege Maximo tore the [[Matrix of Leadership]] from the defeated [[Primon]]. When and why this happened remain unanswered questions. {{storylink|Covenant (story)|Covenant}}

Centuries later, in a future timeline when Cybertron was ruled by a tyrant named [[Shokaract]], a [[Maximal]] resistance leader known simply as "the [[Swoop (G1)|Veteran]]" reminisced about other tyrants who had come and gone over the years preceding Shokaract's rule. Among these past tyrants was the Liege Maximo. {{storylink|Schism (story)|Schism}}

===''TransTech''===
The city of [[Axiom Nexus]] in the peaceful universe of [[Nexus 208.0 Epsilon]] was able to achieve unimaginable feats in technology and scientific discovery, but these were secretly possible by the amoral experiments of [[Shockwave (TransTech)|Shockwave]] and his master [[Jhiaxus (TransTech)|Jhiaxus]] under a secret government partnership with the Liege Maximo.<ref>[[Shockwave (TransTech)|Shockwave]]'s profile in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 22|''Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club'' #22]].</ref> An archivist named [[Optimus Prime (TransTech)|Optimus]] and the military professional [[Megatron (TransTech)|Megatron]] exposed [[Sentinel Prime (TransTech)|Sentinel Prime]]'s ties with the Liege Maximo. After a dramatic, violent battle with the Liege Maximo,<ref>[[Megatron (TransTech)|Megatron]]'s profile in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 24|''Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club'' #24]].</ref> much of the government was caught in this controversy, and as a result, few were left standing when the legal proceedings ended. Optimus became the new [[Prime (rank)|Prime]], and Cybertron entered a new [[Golden Age]], but it was not a complete fresh start, as Megatron convinced the [[High Senate]] to allow Shockwave to continue performing experiments under his guidance, and [[Starscream (TransTech)|Starscream]] miraculously emerged unscathed from the incident despite his heavy involvement.<ref>[[Starscream (TransTech)|Starscream]]'s profile in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 23|''Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club'' #23]].</ref> The TransTechs thereafter considered this incident to be the closest that their Cybertron had ever come to a [[Great War (disambiguation)|Great War]] as most other universal streams had. {{storylink|Rook - Axiom Nexus News: Investigative Journalist|Rook - Axiom Nexus News, 2015/05/06}}

===Aligned continuity family===
====''The Covenant of Primus''====
[[File:TFPLiegeMaximo.jpg|thumb|200px|left|"Puny God".]]
Liege Maximo was the eleventh member of the [[Thirteen]] created by [[Primus]] to fight against [[Unicron#Aligned continuity family|Unicron]], and was a master manipulator whose artifact was the [[Liegian Darts]]. Maximo was one of the strategists of the Thirteen, alongside [[Alpha Trion]], [[Quintus Prime|Quintus]], and [[Micronus Prime|Micronus]].

After the defeat of Unicron, Maximo focused on the mining, storage and refining of [[energon]], but grew resentful of [[Prima]] and his allies' interference. Regardless, Maximo acted as an emissary for the different factions within the Thirteen, making use of his natural beguiling charm.

Maximo was ultimately the one who led to the group fracturing, by revealing to the rest that Prima had plotted which of the Primes were the most like Unicron. It was also around this time that it was revealed that Maximo had been experimenting with creating new robotic beasts when he requested a powerful armor suit to deal with them. Prima ordered Maximo to shut down his "[[Farm]]", and it was further revealed by Alpha Trion that Maximo had been pitting the beasts against each other.

Whether Maximo had the right to experiment with the beasts was a source of conflict between the Thirteen and was later resolved by a vote which decided that he did not have the right to do so. However, Maximo convinced [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] to try and retrieve the armor from [[Solus Prime|Solus]]—an action that inadvertently led to Solus's demise and the creation of the [[Well of All Sparks]].

Maximo was revealed have placed a monitoring device on a "pet" that he had given to Solus. When the creature tried to attack Megatronus, he reacted by blasting it—leading to Solus attacking him.

Upon being confronted at the "Farm", Maximo tried to accuse Megatronus of being the true mastermind behind the war beasts by claiming it was all part of Megatronus's need to test himself against them. When Megatronus realized that Maximo had been manipulating and using the Thirteen the whole time, and was trying to blame him, a conflict broke out that led to the Primes being set upon by three massive war beasts.

Once the conflict was over, Maximo was found torn to pieces with his head destroyed by the [[Requiem Blaster (Thirteen)|Requiem Blaster]], though no one was sure who had actually fired the fatal shot. Maximo was buried in a [[Liege Maximo's tomb|tomb]] from where his arm would eventually be taken by [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] to allow him to use the [[Forge of Solus Prime]]. {{storylink|Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|The Covenant of Primus}}

====Aligned novels====
[[The Fallen|Megatronus]] and the Liege Maximo disliked [[Nexus Prime]] due to his favor in the eyes of [[Solus Prime]]. After the betrayal of the Fallen and defeat of Unicron the Liege Maximo plotted against his brothers and made his own play for power. He was defeated and fled to a far galaxy. His premeditated betrayal broke the spirit of [[Vector Prime]]. In the end, he was pursued to that far galaxy by [[Maccadam|Alchemist Prime]]. Though he had no firm information, [[Alpha Trion]] believed Alchemist had succeeded in imprisoning the Liege. {{storylink|Transformers: Exiles|Exiles}}

Like the other members of the [[Thirteen]], Liege Maximo was considered a myth. [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] proclaimed Transformers were free to do as they pleased, without pondering what the long-gone Liege Maximo or his [[The Fallen|treacherous brother]] would think. The [[Hub (G2)|Hub]] once became a part of the [[space bridge]] network during the Golden Age. {{storylink|Transformers: Exodus|Exodus}}

====''Prime'' cartoon====
[[File:OneShallRise1-WellofAllSparks.jpg|thumb|300px|Everyone is amazed at the shiny bottomless pit.]]
According to legend, at the beginning of time, [[Unicron#Aligned continuity family|Unicron]] and [[Primus]] battled each other for eons, with neither side remaining victorious for long. Till, that is, Primus created the [[Thirteen]]. These Thirteen defeated Unicron and cast him into space. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 1}}

Liege Maximo eventually died and was placed in a [[Liege Maximo's tomb|tomb]]. The tomb was later visited by [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] and [[Dreadwing (Prime)|Dreadwing]], who took Maximo's arm so that Megatron could use the [[Forge of Solus Prime]]. {{storylink|Alpha/Omega}}

====''Robots in Disguise'' books====
{{quote|Liege Maximo is not necessarily evil, but his petty jealousy and boredom motivate him to be a tricky troublemaker.|''[[The Trials of Optimus Prime]]''}}

After the [[AllSpark]] had been returned to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Liege Maximo persisted within the [[Realm of the Primes]] with several of the other [[Thirteen]]. Possessing a cape, horns, sharp darts holstered at his waist, and a cackling voice, he saw the training of [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] to ready him for battle against [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] as an opportunity to cause mischief. He began by increasing the deadliness of the holographic Decepticons that [[Micronus Prime|Micronus]] had created, giving them dangerous buzzsaws. Next, he projected an image of Optimus Prime on [[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]]'s computer on Earth, laughingly teasing that the Autobots would soon be attacked by him. Later, Liege Maximo's image of Optimus Prime appeared again while the Autobots were battling the escaped Decepticon [[Skinkbomb]], and the fake Optimus called Bumblebee a fool and the Autobots stupid, and that he was going to join the Decepticons. This severely traumatized Bumblebee, which caused Liege Maximo to laugh a lot to himself because he's kind of a tool. Unfortunately, Micronus found out his plans and Bumblebee wised up to his tricks, enraging him into making Optimus Prime's training even harder. Micronus managed to take him down and Optimus dispatched to fake Bee Team, while Maximo faced punishment from his fellow Primes.
{{storylink|The Trials of Optimus Prime}}

===2005 IDW continuity===
{{first|[[The Crucible|''Robots in Disguise'' #34]] (mentioned); [[Rubicon|''Till All Are One'' #8]] (depicted)}}

[[File:OriginMyths-OnyxPrimeAndLiegeMaximo.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|"Freedom, freedom is life's great lie. And once you accept that, in your heart... you will know peace."]]

Approximately twelve million years ago, in the primitive era following the departure of the [[Knights of Cybertron]] from their homeworld, Liege Maximo rose to become the monarch of the [[Forgotten Plains]], slaying [[Imperator Maximo]] and [[Praetus Maximo]] to consolidate his power, {{storylink|Origin Myths}} while gathering an army of bestial followers who became known as the "[[Maximal]]s". {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 5: Endless Forever|Endless Forever}}

At some point, Liege Maximo came into contact with the bestial "[[Onyx Prime]]", and formed an alliance with the so-called [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]; {{storylink|Origin Myths}} however, Liege Maximo had not yet learned the truth about his new ally: "Onyx Prime" was a convenient alias for a time-travelling [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Shockwave]], who had set himself a new mission: to raise a permanent [[Decepticon Empire]] by manipulating all of Cybertron's history. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} {{storylink|Last Stand (Unicron)|Last Stand}}

Through a combination of [[shadowplay]] and manipulation Onyx molded the silver-tongued Liege Maximo into the figure that history would later remember; among Shockwave's modifications were psychic barriers akin to Shockwave's own, so that telepathic [[Outlier (group)|outliers]] could not read his mind. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 2: Another Mine|Another Mine}} Liege Maximo became an ally of "Onyx", even granting him control over his Maximals and granting them the ability to assume animalistic shapes to enhance Onyx's reputation as the "lord of beasts". {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 5: Endless Forever|Endless Forever}} {{storylink|Stranger Eons}}

By the time that Onyx began enacting his ultimate scheme in earnest, he had already groomed another Cybertronian into the dreaded warrior [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] to provide the primitive planet with a threat to unify against. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} In service of this plan, Onyx and Liege Maximo travelled to the village that would one day become the [[Crystal City]], fabricating a story that Liege had lost his kingdom to Megatronus and his hordes of [[Darklands|Darklander]]s. Onyx introduced him to four Primes, who were deeply unimpressed with him; despite their apprehensions, the group decided to unite, pitting their warriors, joined by the Maximals, against the marauding Darklanders. When their fighting summoned a trio of [[Titan (group)|Titans]] from beneath the surface of Cybertron, the warring factions made peace and all eight Primes agreed to join forces to govern their world. {{storylink|Origin Myths}}

In the age that followed, Liege Maximo became one of the [[Thirteen]], a coalition of Primes who jointly ruled Cybertron. {{storylink|The Crucible}} Each Prime attracted like-minded followers, and the silver-tongued Liege Maximo and his new group of devotees developed a reputation as charismatic diplomats, working to consolidate alliances between the groups. {{storylink|Heavy}} Like the other members of the Thirteen, Liege Maximo won the loyalty of a Titan; in his case, he allied with the mighty warrior [[Vigilem]]. {{storylink|Rubicon}} Unbeknownst to the other members of the Thirteen, Onyx had already turned his attention to destabilizing their alliance—just as history had foretold. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

[[File:FirstWhoWasNamed-LiegeMaximo.jpg|thumb|300px|"Remember me as being a super-huge monster with a giant cannon arm!"]]
Cybertronian history would later claim that Maximo had come to realize that a helpful lie could be more useful than a harmful truth, a sentiment that would spread to his followers. {{storylink|Heavy}} How much of this change of heart was due to Onyx's influence is debatable; by the time that Liege Maximo had fully embraced this talent for manipulation, Megatronus had fallen out of favor with their leader [[Prima]] after a disastrous offworld expedition. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} Maximo formed an alliance with Onyx's other pawn, {{storylink|Heavy}} and, on Shockwave's instructions, encouraged him to launch a public coup against their leader. [[Solus Prime]] was slain, and this betrayal would ignite the conflict known as the [[First Cybertronian Civil War]], turning the Thirteen and their tribes against one another and permanently shattering their alliance. {{storylink|The Crucible}} {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} Maximo's plan failed due to one crucial detail: he had failed to take Megatronus's emotions into account, and after killing Solus Prime, his co-conspirator had fled in shame rather than destroying Prima as intended. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

[[File:Rubicon-LiegeMaximo.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.2|Liege Maximo's escaped! Recruit a team of teenagers with attitude!]]
At some point, Liege Maximo was "betrayed" by [[Micronus Prime]]. {{storylink|White Heat}} Prima, who had correctly suspected Liege Maximo's involvement in Megatronus's betrayal, was able to catch and try him for his crimes. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} His role in the killing of Solus Prime revealed, many of Liege Maximo's followers chose to turn on him. {{storylink|Heavy}} Liege was tried by his fellow Primes, and a suitable sentence was eventually decided: Liege would be imprisoned inside Vigilem, who himself had been subdued by his fellow Titans, and exiled from Cybertron forever, trapped within his lobotomized servant: {{storylink|Rubicon}} a process carried out by Onyx Prime himself. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} One group of former followers chose to become his jailers, ensuring that their charge would never escape; in repentance for following the deceitful Prime, they swore off lying forever {{storylink|Heavy}} and eventually came to regard deception as the ultimate crime. When the people of Vigilem, now "Carcer", joined the [[Council of Worlds]], {{storylink|The Will of the Few}} they chose to keep Maximo's existence a secret, fearing that his existence could sow undue strife. {{storylink|Heavy}}

For his many crimes, Liege Maximo would come to be remembered by many names in many different Cybertronian societies, including the "Great Betrayer" {{storylink|Rubicon}} and "The Prime of Lies". {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 2: Another Mine|Another Mine}}

Eons later, the younger [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Shockwave]] sent one of his [[Regenesis]] ores to a planet associated with Liege Maximo, {{storylink|The Crucible}} though he himself was unaware of this connection thanks to the actions of this time-travelling future self. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

Liege Maximo remained imprisoned until the year [[2017]], when a crisis on Cybertron prompted a desperate [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] to reawaken Vigilem. {{storylink|Desperate Measures (Till All Are One)|Desperate Measures}} Though [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]] and her crew put up a fight, the Titan set about releasing his master. Elita was able to kill the Titan, but not before he finally released Maximo, unleashing a burst of energy that knocked out everyone who had tried to stop the ancient Prime. Free once more, Maximo mocked [[Strika (BM)|Strika]] before thanking Vilgilem for his service, promising to avenge his Titan before teleporting away. {{storylink|Rubicon}}

[[File:TheChosenOne-Circuit.jpg|thumb|300px|Artist rendition by senior ''*cough*'' the news staff's senior artist.]]
As Cybertron attempted to rebuild from this crisis, Elita warned [[Starscream (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Starscream]] and several Council members present for the events aboard Carcer that Maximo would soon take his revenge by destroying Cybertron. Fearing that news of his return could cause panic and division amongst the people of Cybertron, Elita argued that they would need to keep the truth hidden to ensure that Cybertron would stay strong and united when he inevitably came back. By a vote of three to two, the Council opted to keep Maximo's freedom a secret for the time being, and Starscream later released [[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]] on the condition that she hunt down Liege Maximo and bring his head back to Starscream. {{storylink|Heavy}} Chromia was provided with a ship and a crew in the form of [[Greenlight]] and [[Lancer]] to hunt down the ancient Prime. {{storylink|The Chosen One}}

During the [[Iron Ring]]'s attack on Iacon some months later, Elita One and [[Knock Out (G1)|Knock Out]] agreed that Liege Maximo was the greater threat, one that was worth killing all humans in Iacon to focus on. {{storylink|First Strike issue 4|First Strike #4}}

[[File:OP15-LiegeChained.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.2|Liege Maximo, Prime of Kinks.]]
When Windblade was due to properly retake her place on the Council of Worlds, she surveyed the damage done to Iacon and wondered if Liege Maximo would even have anything to tear down. Learning that the public was not yet aware of Liege Maximo's freedom was the final straw for her. Catching up with [[Circuit (G1)|Circuit]] and [[Longtooth]], Windblade exposed the truth about the events surrounding "Carcer" and told them of Maximo's inevitable return. The news made waves in Cybertronian society, sparking off protests against the Council's duplicity, and kindling feelings of anger, terror, and in at least one case, religious sympathy for the fallen Prime. {{storylink|The Chosen One}}

At some point, Liege Maximo came into contact with Onyx Prime again as his old ally made a course for Cybertron aboard [[Nemesis (BW)|Nemesis]]; in order to win the Council of Worlds' good graces, Onyx pretended to have taken Liege Maximo prisoner, "delivering" him to Cybertron so that he could be tried for his crimes once more. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 1: Surfeit of Primes|Surfeit of Primes}} Onyx brought Maximo to the [[Spire]] so that he could convince the Council that neither he nor his forces were a threat, assigning a pair of Maximals to stand guard over him. Maximo was soon visited by a suspicious [[Soundwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Soundwave]], who had his doubts about Onyx's pageantry; when he attempted to read Maximo's mind, he found that he could hear nothing thanks to Shockwave's shadowplay. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 2: Another Mine|Another Mine}} When Onyx detonated a bomb in the Spire to sow confusion, Maximo easily slipped his chains {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 3: The Ground|The Ground}} and rejoined Onyx—now unmasked as Shockwave—as the purple Decepticon monologued to an imprisoned [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

Shockwave then ordered Liege Maximo to take a detachment of Maximals to finish off the survivors of [[Metrotitan (G1)|Metrotitan]], whom Shockwave had shot down; despite Maximo's grumbling, he complied, and his forces wound up battling [[Arcee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Arcee]]. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 4: The Hallowing|The Hallowing}} Though Arcee was able to take down dozens of Maximals, she was eventually taken prisoner by their leader, who brought her back to Nemesis on Shockwave's orders. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 5: Endless Forever|Endless Forever}}

Using supplies of Shockwave's gravity-warping [[Ore-4]], Maximo used its powers to begin levitating himself, his prisoners, and Arcee back up to the ship... only for his captive to take advantage of the weightless environment to break free and destroy the Ore-4 crystal responsible for suspending them in midair. The helpless Liege Maximo plummeted from the sky and crashed into [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]'s shoulder at terminal velocity, dashing his body to bits. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 6: Unforgivable|Unforgivable}}
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===''Beast Wars: Uprising''===
[[Ser-Ket (BWU)|Ser-Ket]] claimed to be part of a warrior lineage that stretched back to the Liege Maximo and others. {{storylink|Head Games}}

===Fun Publications===
[[File:AphroditeLiegeMaximoAVP.jpg|thumb|The original [[shellformer]].]]
Though Vector Prime would claim that history was likely correct to record Liege Maximo as a "monster", he still had many happy memories of times shared with his brother from before the falling out between the Thirteen, {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/14}} and thought of his actions more as "tragic" than evil. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/12}} He recalled his brother's skill at social gatherings, and his ability to spin incredible stories, {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/05/15}} including tales of the [[Covenant (group)|Covenant]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/10}} During the Thirteen's time in ancient Greece, Liege's female holomatter avatar—which, thanks to Liege's flair for the dramatic, first manifested by appearing out of the sea in a giant shell—inspired the myth of Aphrodite. By this time, he had formed an enmity with Solus, who manifested in Greece as the male Hephaestus, and Prima had them "bonded" together in hopes they could work through their differences. Naturally, this only resulted in further conflict; "Interesting times," Vector called them. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/08/08}} He also noted that legends claimed that the god [[Xal]] might merely be another name for Liege Maximo, but could say nothing with certainty. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/12}}

When the quantum membrane between the wider multiverse and the [[Uniend]] Cluster was punctured, Vector Prime began to experience memories of the Uniend incarnation of Liege Maximo, and expressed surprise at the existence of an iteration of his brother who had died before founding an empire of his own. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/14}}

As Nexus Prime brought together the [[Terminus Blade]] and the [[Star Saber (Thirteen)|Star Saber]], his fellow Thirteen including Liege Maximo were drawn to his actions. These multiversal singularities were splintered and scattered by the act, making them into repeating parallel, but variable, versions of themselves throughout the multiverse instead of the singular beings they were before. {{storylink|Out of the One, Many}}

===''Power of the Primes'' toy bios===
Liege Maximo's [[Spark]] passed into the possession of one of the twelve [[Prime Master]]s; hidden within a suit of decoy armor, they safeguarded the abilities of the Primes until the present day. By uniting with a larger Transformer, the Prime Master could channel the powers of Liege Maximo's Spark and grant them unique abilities that varied with each new partner. {{storylink|#Generations|''Power of the Primes'' Skullgrin / Liege Maximo online bio}}

{{note|For a list of every permutation of Liege Maximo's abilities, see [[Prime Master/Combinations|this link]].}}

===''Cyberverse'' cartoon===
Liege Maximo was one of the [[Thirteen]]. {{storylink|Dweller In The Depths (Cyberverse)|Dweller In The Depths}} {{storylink|Silent Strike}} {{storylink|The Other One}}

===2019 IDW continuity===
Liege Maximo was one of the Thirteen Primes. {{storylink|Lord of Misrule: Sea of Rust I|Sea of Rust I}} Along with the other Thirteen, he bore witness to Cybertron at the earliest stage of its development as a world. {{storylink|End of Time}}

===''One'' film===
[[File:TransformersOne-AmalgamousLiegeMaximoholograms.jpg|left|thumb|300px|I'm on the right! So they say.]]
[[File:TransformersOne-LiegeMaximocave.jpg|right|thumb|300px|I'll become green one way or another!!!!]]
Liege Maximo and the other twelve Primes were created by [[Primus]] at the dawn of Cybertron, and they ruled Cybertron benevolently through its Golden Age. When a war with the Quintessons threw the planet into a protracted, violent conflict, the Primes' secretary, [[Sentinel Prime (One)|Sentinel Prime]], herded the [[Thirteen]] into a Quintesson ambush within a remote cave. [[Quintesson Soldier]]s swarmed the cave and overwhelmed Liege Maximo, presumably killing him before Sentinel Prime could murderously betray the rest of his brethren. Fifty cycles later, Liege Maximo's corpse, frozen into a defensive position, was found in this cave by [[Optimus Prime (One)|Orion Pax]], [[Megatron (One)|D-16]], [[Elita-1 (One)|Elita-1]], and [[Bumblebee (One)|B-127]].

A vision of Liege Maximo and the other Primes later appeared as Alpha Trion declared a damaged Orion Pax to be the next wielder of the [[Matrix of Leadership]], Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Transformers One (film)|Transformers One}}
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===Energon Universe===
After Optimus Prime found himself in the [[Hall of the Primes]], he saw a statue of Liege Maximo among the others. {{storylink|Transformers (2023) issue 22|Transformers #22}}

===''EarthSpark'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[Nolan North]] (English)|[[David Krüger]] (French), [[Octavio Rojas]] (Latin American-Spanish), }}

[[File:LegacyofHope-LiegeMaximoRobbyMalto.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Evil is... infinite! But can be contained within a cape.]]

Long ago, [[Optimus Prime (ES)|Optimus Prime]] and the [[Thirteen|other Primes]] were forced to defeat and contain their brother, Liege Maximo, in a "lightless void" and remove all mention of him from Cybertronian history. Liege considered this a betrayal, and after he secretly escaped his imprisonment, he tracked down and murdered each of the other Primes one by one so he could confiscate their [[Artifacts of the Primes|thirteen powerful Artifacts]]. Intending to resume his original plan from before his defeat, just this time without the other Primes, he prepared to recreate [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] as his seat of power from which he would terraform other planets into sources of [[Energon]]. But to accomplish this, he needed Optimus Prime's [[Matrix of Leadership]] and [[Quintus Prime]]'s [[Emberstone]], the latter of which had been transformed into the [[cyber-sleeve]]s worn by the [[Earth]] children [[Robby Malto|Robby]] and [[Mo Malto]].

By this point, nearly all the Transformers on Cybertron had become followers of Liege Maximo, seeing no other way to survive. This was because Liege had claimed Optimus Prime had destroyed the [[AllSpark]] which had resulted in the very planet itself leaching energy from its denizens. When [[Hot Rod (ES)|Hot Rod]], under Liege's command, learned that the Emberstone still lived on in the cyber-sleeves, Liege tasked him with retrieving the Emberstone and had him use one of Liege Maximo's own artifacts, the [[Liegian Darts]], to draw it out of the cyber-sleeves.

Unbeknownst to Liege's followers, whom he ruled over with intimidation and a strict control over their Energon supply, Liege himself had hidden the AllSpark under his base and had used one of his darts to turn it from a life-giving artifact into a life-draining one.

When the dart was eventually removed by Robby Malto and the AllSpark was returned to normal, Liege's former followers realized he had lied to them and abandoned him to be fought and eventually defeated by the Malto family and their allies. {{storylink|Legacy of Hope}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Forged to Fight''===
While assisting the heroic Autobots of this universe, [[Starscream (SG)|Starscream]] invoked the name of the noble and honorable Liege Maximo, wishing that his light would shine on his new comrades. {{storylink|Shattered Bridges}}

===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
;'''Liege Maximo Core'''
[[File:Earth Wars Liege Maximo Core.jpg|thumb|upright=0.6]]

Liege Maximo's [[Prime Master#Transformers: Earth Wars|Prime Core]] (his "heart" as one of the primordial [[Thirteen|Thirteen Primes]]) fell to Earth under mysterious circumstances along with those of his siblings to become a hotly contested resource in the [[Earth Wars (conflict)|Earth Wars]]. {{storylink|Power of the Primes (Earth Wars)|Power of the Primes}}

*'''Effect:''' Hack nearby enemy [[Transformers: Earth Wars#Standard Bots|Bot]]s for a limited time. You are immune to hacking.

[https://tfew.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/4733780017183-Prime-Cores-Bot Liege Maximo Core at Transformers: Earth Wars Wiki]

{{chargamestub|{{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars}}}}

===''Transformers Roleplaying Game''===
Liege Maximo was known as the "Prime of Lies", and supposedly helped tear the Thirteen apart. A shadowy manipulator who wielded poisonous [[Liegian Darts]], Liege Maximo relied on minions and proxies, who created mighty empires in his name. Humans sometimes knew him as {{w|Aphrodite}}. {{storylink|Transformers One Sourcebook}}

==Toys==
===''Prime''===
[[File:Primetoy-FinalBattleMegatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Because it would be <s>non-aerodynamic</s> silly to mount the saber onto the back of the vehicle mode like a giant tail-fin.]]
<ul class = "iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Final Battle Megatron''' ([[February 25]], [[2013]])}}</ul>
:*''ID number'': '''AM-33'''
:''[[Transformers: Prime (toyline)|Prime]]'' [[Megatron (WFC)/toys#Darkest|Final Battle Megatron]]'s right forearm is decoed (but sadly not remolded) to resemble Liege Maximo's forearm that he substitutes for his own in those episodes.
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===''Power of the Primes''===
[[File:PowerOfThePrimestoy-LiegeMaximo.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|My alt-mode is a garden tool?]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Liege Maximo''' (Prime Master, [[2018]])}}</ul>
:*''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''PP-02'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': '''[[May 25]], [[2018]]'''
:*''Accessories'': [[Skullgrin#Power of the Primes|Skullgrin]] decoy armor, claw
:*''Known designers'': [[John Warden]] (Hasbro), [[Robby Musso]] (concept artist)

:''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' Liege Maximo is a [[Prime Master]] with Skullgrin decoy armor, visually based on the original [[Pretender]]'s inner robot and shell.

:This toy has identical features to the other Prime Masters in the line. The decoy armor has a weapon piece which can fold out to create a weapon mode, or detach and be held in the armor's 3 mm-compatible hand. The [[Titan Master]]-like robot can store inside the decoy armor or ride [[Size class|Legends Class]] figures in vehicle mode, and is fully compatible with toys from the previous ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' line. The "Power Swap" gimmick means its [[spark]] form can plug onto any decoy armor's weapon form (which has a [[5 mm post]] to be held by larger figures), Deluxe Class figures' chest armor, Voyager Class figures' bucklers, Leader Class figures' [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#Power of the Primes|Matrix]] (in place of their Matrix core), [[combiner]]s' torsos (in place of their [[Enigma of Combination#Power of the Primes|Enigma of Combination]]), or the [[Scepter of Sparks#Generations|Scepter of Sparks]]. With the power of [[you]]r imagination, this bestows the Prime Master's [[Prime Master/Combinations|unique power]] on the larger figure.

:Depending on the individual copy, the peg holes on Liege Maximo's legs varies from normal size to near-shallow, which the latter makes him somewhat prone to falling off from the decoy armor's weapon form. Unlike every other Titan Master/Prime Master, Liege Maximo and his fellow first wave Prime Masters feature backpacks/symbols secured by pins instead of screws.

:Liege Maximo/Skullgrin was retooled with a new [[Prime Master]] sigil and decoy armor front as [[The Fallen/toys#Power of the Primes|The Fallen]]/[[Bomb-Burst (G1)#Power of the Primes|Bomb-Burst]].
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==Notes==
*"Liege Maximo" was likely meant to be this character's title or rank, while his proper name remained unknown, but subsequent uses of the character have treated Liege Maximo as the character's name (or, in some cases, "Liege" as his name and "Maximo" as a title in the vein of "Prime"). Jhiaxus has a similar title, [[Liege Centuro]].
*Liege Maximo, was, at one point, established as a [[multiversal singularity]] who existed as one being throughout all of time and space, but that is [[Shroud|no longer the case]].
*In November 2007, [[Simon Furman]] cryptically hinted that the Liege Maximo would make a return in 2008 in IDW's comics.<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2007/11/19/script-wrap-15/#comment-1938|quote=Actually, I’m saving LM for something else BIG that’s happening in 08.|name=Simon Furman|site=Simon Furman: The Blog|year=2007|month=11|day=19|title=SCRIPT (W)RAP}}</ref> It didn't happen under his pen, however, and Liege Maximo wouldn't make his IDW debut until over 9 years later, in [[Rubicon|''Till All Are One'' #8]].
*Liege Maximo's "Aligned" design, by [[Eric Siebenaler]], seems to have been heavily inspired by the [[Marvel Comics]] version of {{w|Loki (comics)|Loki}}; fitting enough for a manipulator and liar. Contrary to what you might expect, this was ''not'' done as a response to the massive spike in popularity that Loki would get as portrayed by {{w|Tom Hiddleston}} in 2011's {{w|Thor (film)|''Thor''}}; his artwork was first shown at [[BotCon 2010]], prior to the film's Loki's design even being revealed—and, indeed, Aligned Liege Maximo seems to be based much more heavily on the classic "ugly old man" Loki than Hiddleston's youthful hunk.
*The dead Prime seen in the ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'' episode "[[Alpha/Omega]]" is identified as Liege Maximo in ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|The Covenant of Primus]]''. The concurrently published ''[[Transformers: The Art of Prime|Art of Prime]]'' claims that it is [[Sentinel Zeta Prime|Sentinel Prime]], but that doesn't make sense, since Sentinel is not a true Prime and, as such, his limb would not convey the power to use the Forge on Megatron. The dead Prime's arm in ''Prime'' is red-colored, which neither Sentinel nor Maximo are; it may be due to influence from [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|the live-action Sentinel]].
*The death of Liege Maximo in the ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|Covenant of Primus]]'' is also at odds with other stories from Aligned continuity. The [[Transformers: Exiles|''Exiles'' novel]] reports that Alchemist Prime left Cybertron to hunt down and capture Liege Maximo, while the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|2015 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon]] and [[The Trials of Optimus Prime|related materials]] show Liege Maximo as active in the [[Realm of the Primes]]. This is one of the larger examples of Aligned continuity's "It only works if you squint" rule towards the overall timeline.
*Behind-the-scenes concept art from ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|Cyberverse]]'' mislabels Liege Maximo's plinth in the Realm of the Primes as "Siege Maximo". Translating the words on the plinth, however, gives the correct name.<ref>[https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/025/493/315/large/nicolaas-frankefort-prime-slabs.jpg?1585959977 Concept art of "Prime slabs"]</ref>
*In [[2023]], [[Aaron Archer]] revealed on a personal stream several concept sketches of the Thirteen he had made sometime during the 2000s, when Hasbro was still developing the full roster for what would eventually become the [[Aligned continuity family]].<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Really we were trying to create a representation of each of the classic Transformer forms. So as I was creating the Thirteen, some had been figured out, right? So Megatronus I think, Liege Maximo, Alpha Trion I believe were already named characters... but then I tried to figure out how to bring the concept of beasts and combiners [and the Mini-Cons] and different elements into the concept, so that you had the whole pantheon of gods, different shapes and sizes and whatnot. So I went through and I drew kind of visions of what they could be. So this is not trying to figure the character out, but get the vibe of what the character was about, other talented people would come in behind me and do that. So there's like the idea that—why did the Quintessons think that they might have made the Transformers? Well they come from the guy that was like the Johnny Appleseed, or the character that seeded some of the planets, so they were confused... try to shore up some of these ideas for the Aligned continuity, right? Here's an elemental kind of concept, gears and metal and magnetism, kind of a proto-Transformer, kind of weird thing. [...] Here's another weird version of Megatronus, how big he is compared to like what Megatron would have been.|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQLQ4VzuCGA&t=689s|name=Aaron Archer|site=''The Toy Armada''|title=Toy Armada Friday night LIVE: Creating characters and lore|year=2023|month=05|day=26}}</ref> At this stage in development, the Liege Maximo's design was heavily inspired by the original G2 comic design instead of being based on Loki. In a bizarre deep cut, this early concept design was used as the basis for the character's appearance in the ''[[Age of the Primes]]'' key art.
*''[[Transformers: EarthSpark (cartoon)|EarthSpark]]'' Liege Maximo was designed by [[Nick Roche]].<ref>{{citesocial|quote=IT ME|link=https://bsky.app/profile/nickroche.bsky.social/post/3maoucmwxxc2w|name=Nick Roche|site=Bluesky|year=2025|month=12|day=23}}</ref>

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Liege Maximo''' (リージマキシモ ''Rīji Makishimo'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Maximo Dàdì''' (马克西莫大帝 ''Mǎkèxīmò Dàdì'', "Maximo the Great")

==Gallery==
<gallery>
File:LiegeMaximoAaronArcherSketch.jpg|A concept sketch created by Aaron Archer in the 2000s
File:Liege Maximo-Sara Pitre Durocher-TAAO-model.jpg|2005 IDW comic continuity
File:IDW2 The Liege Maximo.jpg|2019 IDW continuity
File:One-Liege-Maximo.jpg|''One'' film
File:LiegeMaximo-earthspark-stock.jpg|''EarthSpark'' cartoon
</gallery>

==References==
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Talk:Silverstreak

2026-01-24T17:21:11Z

Broadside: /* Coming back to this.... */

I'm really questioning why this was split out in the first place? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:05, 2 August 2023 (EDT)
:Agreed. Both the designer commentary and the Pulse listing cited make it pretty clear that this is G1 Bluestreak. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 12:42, 2 August 2023 (EDT)
::Uh, that is not how I read Mark Maher's commentary on Instagram. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:18, 2 August 2023 (EDT)
:::Another vote against splitting this out. Considering Mark Maher's commentary mentions CAD renders and such, it's not like he was speaking "in universe", just specifically about the toy itself.[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG|talk]]) 15:48, 2 August 2023 (EDT)
::::That’s how I read it. And it’s annoying that this toy is buried here instead of being at the logical spot based on nothing more than ambiguous designer notes. There’s more supporting IDW “Silverstreak” being a different guy than this. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:01, 2 August 2023 (EDT)
:::::While the Silverstreak debate continues, I have restored an entry on Bluestreak's toy page for informational purposes. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 17:45, 2 August 2023 (EDT)
::::::Mark talking about "characters" absolutely makes it sound like he thinks of Silverstreak as a different character rather than a new count of paint on Bluestreak, but at the same time I agree this toy should be on Bluestreak's page as well. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 18:24, 2 August 2023 (EDT)
:::::::Whereas the official product copy thinks he's Bluestreak, if we're taking the references to the cartoon literally. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:52, 2 August 2023 (EDT)
::::::::So are we weighing (disputed) implied designer intent over formal corporate sources? [[User:MCRG|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG|talk]]) 12:07, 3 August 2023 (EDT)
:::::::::Well, I mean, the official copy claims he's "inspired by the animated series", which he bluntly ''isn't''; he's inspired by the Diaclone toy, and never appeared in anything like this deco in the cartoon. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 13:37, 3 August 2023 (EDT)
::::::::::With this talk of "officialness" I do think it is worth keeping in mind that these Hasbro designer Instagram accounts are pretty transparently a polished marketing-managed PR initiative as opposed to, say, Hasbro employees firing off on their personal Twitter accounts after hours or something. The accounts aren't used for anything else. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:10, 3 August 2023 (EDT)
:I provided citations for all the sources I was working with beyond the ready availability of the "Bluestreak" trademark when I made the page, so do what you will with the evidence from there I suppose. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 15:35, 2 August 2023 (EDT)
:Another vote against this page. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 06:11, 3 August 2023 (EDT)
:Medix is *also* described as "inspired by The Transformers animated series", so I'm willing to wager it's copypasta based on "G1 Universe" being what the website would use. It's funny to report it as if it were true, but it should not be the deciding factor. After all, Shadowstrip is excellent precedent for a guy whose toy is simply on two pages from the getgo. [[User:Sky Shadow|Sky Shadow]] ([[User talk:Sky Shadow|talk]]) 14:04, 3 August 2023 (EDT)
:: Yeah, I was gonna say — with Shadowstrip, we have precedent for "this design team considers "new name for unusual deco of existing character" to mean a new character", which fits with Mark's designer notes. (This is ''also'' why I think "Laser Cycle" should be on a new page as well as on Jazz's page, but I can at least see that there's other mitigating factors there.) --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:10, 3 August 2023 (EDT)
::: Shadowstrip and Laser Cycle do not have the precedent of being an established, frequently used alternate name and look of an existing character with no full bio to contradict him not just being that guy again like this one. This feels very much like reading too much into that design commentary and the designers speaking on different terms than the wiki. [[User:MCRG|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG|talk]]) 20:46, 3 August 2023 (EDT)
::::That. Shadowstrip at least got some measure of a personality and the designer spelling out that it could be G2 Drag Strip or another guy. (And we're not giving Laser Cycle a page till it's actually been established to be a new character.) This guy is a nobody where the only content of his page outside the toy writeup and deco origin is jokes. (You could make up a Frankenstein page with this toy and IDW Silverstreak, I guess, but I doubt anybody here cares enough to do that.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:35, 3 August 2023 (EDT)
:::::Went ahead and added a deletion tag to this page. If Laser Cycle, a previously unreleased deco with a technically new name and an equal amount of character info, is (sensibly) being treated as just a new form of Jazz, there's absolutely no reason this guy should stand alone. --[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG|talk]]) 11:27, 15 August 2023 (EDT)
::::::Now hold on, I acknowledge deletion of this page is a pretty foregone conclusion at this point but leveraging the fiddly and somewhat-up-in-the-air case of Laser Cycle as precedent going forward strikes me as going a bit far. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 15:13, 15 August 2023 (EDT)

Got to be honest here: the burden of proof that we apparently require to split out a new character page is ''insane''. If I understand correctly, the entire argument against having this page rests on "Well, maybe Mark didn't mean "character" when he said character". Which, sure, is entirely possible - corporate language isn't always the same as Normal People language - but ''surely'' the most straightforward explanation is that Mark meant what he said, no? If there's reasonable doubt, why is the default to squirrel this away in the depths of Bluestreak's toy page?
If we're to take a previous toy as precedent, I feel like Shadowstrip is a closer point of comparison than Laser Cycle, because Silverstreak didn't come out in the same wave as a Bluestreak toy. Is there an actual reason that mirroring the toy writeup on both pages is unacceptable? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 17:20, 15 August 2023 (EDT)
:: I agree, I think this is a Shadowstrip situation where we can comfortably keep the toy on both pages with a note explaining the situation. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 17:23, 15 August 2023 (EDT)
:::Seems reasonable to me. Apologies if I was a bit overzealous in not leaving it in both places to start with. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 17:30, 15 August 2023 (EDT)
::::I also vote for keeping it. - [[User:DannyBoy|DannyBoy]] ([[User talk:DannyBoy|talk]]) 19:55, 15 August 2023 (EDT)
::I didn't have time to reply when this topic was first broached, but yeah, I find it wild that people are against this page—speaking as someone who is generally ''for'' page merges! Everything Mark said indicated to me that this was intended as a new character. Yeah, it uses a color scheme Bluestreak has used in the past, and it uses a ''name'' originally invented for Bluestreak... but those two things taken together, this guy isn't called Bluestreak and doesn't look like Bluestreak. It's obvious that Mark thought it would be funny to have the blue one be "Silverstreak" and the silver one be "Bluestreak", and it ''is'' funny, and surely it can't be that the TFWiki of all websites would be so unfunny as to act like this isn't the explicitly-stated idea behind the release. If the toy's on both pages, what's the problem with having this fun extra one? —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 17:43, 15 August 2023 (EDT)
:::How is it "squirreling away" anything? The only thing you can say about this toy that isn't a joke is that "Mark ambiguously said it's a 'character'". People who don't pore over every single Instagram comment will take this as what it appears as: a toy of Bluestreak. And look it up accordingly. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 19:32, 15 August 2023 (EDT)
::::People who don't pore over every single Instagram comment will probably look up "Silverstreak" since that's what's written on the package. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:49, 15 August 2023 (EDT)
:::::And they'll end up on Bluestreak because that's what [[Silverstreak]] points to. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 19:56, 15 August 2023 (EDT)
::::::I have to agree with Saix, i mean Silverstreask is LITERALLY apart of Bluestreak bio.--[[User:Pizza-king1|Pizza-king1]] ([[User talk:Pizza-king1|talk]]) 21:47, 15 August 2023 (EDT)
::::::We can update that redirect to go to the Silverstreak page. [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 21:48, 15 August 2023 (EDT)
:::::::If we're going that route, then the page should just be at "Silverstreak" to begin with? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:44, 16 August 2023 (EDT)
::::::::I'd agree with that, yes. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 17:21, 16 August 2023 (EDT)
Agreed with keeping this page, the designer himself said it's a new character, and also what Wads said about funy page being harmless. [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 21:48, 15 August 2023 (EDT)
:Considering the designer himself also says, "I have vowed to try and make every character release different then the last," implying he thinks this is a new release of a character that's already had a release, I find the "designer himself [definitively] said it's a new character" argument to still be weak. My next question becomes, if this page remains, in the future when more Silverstreak toys with no discernable bios get released, are they going to go here or Bluestreak's page or both?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG|talk]]) 13:23, 16 August 2023 (EDT)
::I would assume that if they're called "Silverstreak" and use the blue deco with no clarification, they'd go on both. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 17:21, 16 August 2023 (EDT)

== Conceptual history section ==

For the record: I've added a "conceptual history" to this page with the intent of making it an explanation of the complicated history of "Blue Bluestreak almost being his own guy but tripping at every hurdle". Hopefully this addresses the complaint of "there's not enough on the page to warrant it existing"; if anyone has input on stuff that should be removed or added I'd appreciate it. That said, with votes currently at 9:5 in favour of keeping this page, are people alright with taking off the delete template? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:38, 25 August 2023 (EDT)
:Late response, but this conceptual history section is the perfect expansion to complete the page. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 03:26, 6 October 2023 (EDT)

== Masterpiece bio Diaclone story thingy ==

Would it be appropriate to list the MP-18B Bluestreak figure on here, along with the elements of its (and Spin-Out's) bio added into a fiction section? Considering that it was supposed to represent the original Bluestreak under the influence of his "Diaclone counterpart". Or do we not consider Silverstreak as the Diaclone version due to being listed as G1 Universe instead of Diaclone Universe, like the Burn Out figure? --[[User:Dinobot Scorn|Dinobot Scorn]] ([[User talk:Dinobot Scorn|talk]]) 17:16, 10 August 2025 (EDT)

== Coming back to this.... ==

With Chris's recent video for the Basics on Bluestreak (particularly the fact that he doesn't really mention this at all), I've come back to look through Mark's comments and I gotta say...I'm not really convinced that what he's saying is that Silverstreak is a separate character. It feels very marketing speak in its vague way, and I dunno that we really can justify having him be seperate off of that alone, especially given that "Silverstreak" has no bio or tech specs to even outright separate him from the average Bluestreak. I think also with regards to the IDW character, Chee's art on the Bumblebee mini-series does seem like he was just kind of adding whoever; I don't know how detailed Zander Cannon's scripts were on that front, but Roadbuster appears in issue #2 without ever showing up in the Costa ongoing otherwise, and later fiction indicating he was elsewhere. I think it's probably worth coming back to re-examining what's happening with this. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:26, 24 January 2026 (EST)
:Why would the toy be called "Silverstreak" if it was intended to be Bluestreak? We have the precedent of things like Red Cog and Diaclone Universe Twin Twist to indicate that the Generations team is happy to use "character name with a modifier" if they think of the toy as the same guy. And ultimately, what ''harm'' does having this page cause? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 12:21, 24 January 2026 (EST)

Daburu (TR)

2026-01-14T22:52:52Z

Broadside:

{{factions|autobot|optimus}}
{{disambig2|the Generation 1 Transformer|the ''Shattered Glass'' alien|Daburu (SG)}}
{{merge|White Leo|Obvious homage, functionally the same as the difference between Nebulan Headmasters and Cybertronian Titan Masters}}
:''Daburu is an [[Autobot]] [[Titan Master]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:TF-Generations-Titans-Return-Daburu.jpg|upright=1.33|thumb|"Now, count up your sins!"]]
'''Daburu''' is a Titan Master partnered with [[Doublecross|Twinferno]]. As a Titan Master, he provides his host with an Energon jolt, propelling their combat systems to peak performance.<ref>''Titans Return'' Daburu/Twinferno packaging bio</ref>

==Fiction==
===''Beast Wars: Uprising''===
{{note|In ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'', Daburu and [[White Leo]] are the same individual, "Daburu Leo".}}
An inhabitant of the colony world [[Master (planet)|Rebirth]], '''Daburu Leo''' was an [[Optimus (faction)|Optimus]] enforcer who fought and pursued the rebel [[Malignus (G1)|Malignus]] faction underground when their protests threatened the interests of the planetary oligarchy. {{storylink|A Brush With Infamy–Prologue}}

==Toys==
===''Titans Return''===
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Daburu & Autobot Twinferno''' (Deluxe Class, [[2016]])}}</ul>
{{toydesigner|[[John Warden]] (Hasbro)|[[Ken Christiansen]] (concept artist)}}

: Available in the third wave of ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' Deluxes, packed in with his larger partner [[Doublecross#Generations|Twinferno]], Daburu transforms from a robot modeled after the [[Beastformer (species)|Beastformer]] [[White Leo]] into a head compatible with any Deluxe-or-larger ''Titans Return'' figure.

: This set turned out to be a pretty major [[shelfwarmer]].

: Appropriately, Daburu was redecoed in Japan to make ''[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]'' [[White Leo#Legends|White Leo]], the small [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] partner of ''Legends'' [[Doublecross#Legends|Doublecross]]. Daburu was also retooled into ''Titans Return'' [[Fengul#Generations|Fengul]] and as ''[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]'' [[Platinum Tiger#Legends|Platinum Tiger]]. It was also retooled to make [[Dastard]] and [[Hedgehog#Legends|Hedgehog]].

==Notes==
*"Daburu" (ダブル) is "double" borrowed into Japanese.
*His robot mode homages [[White Leo]], leader of the Autobot-allied [[Beastformer (species)|Beastformers]], complete with eyepatch! Because of this, [[Jim Sorenson]] combined the two character/toy concepts for ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]''.<ref>[http://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/133737-beast-wars-uprising-ama/?p=3360442 Post by Jim S on the Allspark Forums, 2016/10/15]</ref>

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Beast Wars: Uprising Autobots]]
[[Category:Titan Masters]]
[[Category:Titans Return Autobots]]

Talk:Daburu (TR)

2026-01-13T17:41:49Z

Broadside:

==Identity==
Would it not be worth merging this with White Leo's page? The design is so blatantly meant to be that character that it just feels like a fairly standard case of alternate naming rather than a new character warranting its own page. [[User:Danja|Danja]] ([[User talk:Danja|talk]]) 10:49, 10 October 2016 (EDT)
:Better not. Unless TakTom decides to release him as the said character. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 11:12, 10 October 2016 (EDT)
::A homage does not make them the same character. One is an anthropomorphic lion; the other is a Cybertronian robot that turns into a head. And mold reuse will make Daburu far from unique in looking like White Leo. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 11:21, 10 October 2016 (EDT)
:No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:31, 10 October 2016 (EDT)
Circling back to this because the intervening 9 1/2 years has only made this page's existence (and the other TR Monsterbot Headmasters's pages) and the arguments against merging it with White Leo more ridiculous. The same figure (with deco changes admittedly) was released by Takara as White Leo, which is listed on a separate page from this. But both these pages link back to the same page for the main figure they came with (Titan Returns Twinferno and Legends Doublecross). It is a nonsense double-standard that the different names and decos for Twinferno/Doublecross are, correctly, treated as regional variants of the same character while for their partners it's grounds for treating them as separate entities. The fact that the section for the only fiction "Daburu" has appeared in has a note pointing out that it considers him as the same character as the White Leo really underlines how farcical the policy is, and that frankly that should have been grounds for merging them then. This is a prime example of this wiki needlessly over-complicating itself to no tangible benefit. [[User:Danja|Danja]] ([[User talk:Danja|talk]]) 10:56, 13 January 2026 (EST)
:I am sympathetic to this argument. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 12:34, 13 January 2026 (EST)
::Yeah, I can't really see any value to keeping this as its own page. It seems equivalent to Nebulan Headmasters vs Cybertronian Titan Masters, to me. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 12:41, 13 January 2026 (EST)

Talk:Daburu (TR)

2026-01-13T17:41:18Z

Broadside:

==Identity==
Would it not be worth merging this with White Leo's page? The design is so blatantly meant to be that character that it just feels like a fairly standard case of alternate naming rather than a new character warranting its own page. [[User:Danja|Danja]] ([[User talk:Danja|talk]]) 10:49, 10 October 2016 (EDT)
:Better not. Unless TakTom decides to release him as the said character. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 11:12, 10 October 2016 (EDT)
::A homage does not make them the same character. One is an anthropomorphic lion; the other is a Cybertronian robot that turns into a head. And mold reuse will make Daburu far from unique in looking like White Leo. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 11:21, 10 October 2016 (EDT)
:No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:31, 10 October 2016 (EDT)
Circling back to this because the intervening 9 1/2 years has only made this page's existence (and the other TR Monsterbot Headmasters's pages) and the arguments against merging it with White Leo more ridiculous. The same figure (with deco changes admittedly) was released by Takara as White Leo, which is listed on a separate page from this. But both these pages link back to the same page for the main figure they came with (Titan Returns Twinferno and Legends Doublecross). It is a nonsense double-standard that the different names and decos for Twinferno/Doublecross are, correctly, treated as regional variants of the same character while for their partners it's grounds for treating them as separate entities. The fact that the section for the only fiction "Daburu" has appeared in has a note pointing out that it considers him as the same character as the White Leo really underlines how farcical the policy is, and that frankly that should have been grounds for merging them then. This is a prime example of this wiki needlessly over-complicating itself to no tangible benefit. [[User:Danja|Danja]] ([[User talk:Danja|talk]]) 10:56, 13 January 2026 (EST)
:I am sympathetic to this argument. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 12:34, 13 January 2026 (EST)
::Yeah, I can't really see any value to keeping this as its own page. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 12:41, 13 January 2026 (EST)

Buzz-Boar

2026-01-09T01:19:43Z

Broadside:

{{disambig2|the Cybertronian animal|the [[Cobra]] vehicle|Buzz Boar}}
'''Buzz-Boars''' are a variety of [[mechanimal]] found on Cybertron. While capable of consuming organic matter when energon isn't available, it doesn't fuel them for long, and so they migrate across the planet's surface in groups of five or eight in constant search of more sustenance. Occupying the middle rung of the food chain, they tend to be jumpy, and respond to intruders by trying to gore them.

==Games==
===''Transformers One Sourcebook''===
Buzz-Boars were a common encounter on the surface of Cybertron, preying on the [[Robo-deer]], and being preyed on in turn by the [[Techno-Thylacine]]. {{storylink|Transformers One Sourcebook}}

==Notes==
*Buzz-Boars are named after the [[Buzz Boar|Cobra vehicle]] of the same name from ''Transformers''<nowiki>'</nowiki> sister series ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]]''.
*The ''Transformers One Sourcebook'' notes the Buzz-Boars and Techno-Thylacines as "non-canon", delineating them from the [[robo-deer]] that appeared in [[Transformers One (film)|the film]].

[[category:One]]
[[category:Cybertronic wildlife]]

Skywasp

2026-01-09T01:15:00Z

Broadside: you know what, I put that caption there years ago and it sucks. if anyone has a better idea please feel free

{{factions|predacon}}
{{disambig2|the Predacon|other variations of the name "Skywarp"|Skywarp (disambiguation)}}
:''Skywasp is a [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:Waruder-Parasite.jpg|upright=1.33|thumb|]]

'''Skywasp''' is a cruel, petty [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] Air Warrior who takes delight in playing cruel pranks on [[Maximal]]s using his teleportation powers, stinging them from behind and teleporting away before being seen. He even attacks other Predacons for his personal amusement.

[[Skywarp (G1)|Sounds familiar.]]

Skywasp was partnered with the AI [[NAVI-Q]] to keep him in line, but being brought along while teleporting has scrambled her circuits and made her a willing participant in his pranks. His antics have attracted the attention of the Maximals [[Ultra Mammoth]] and [[Randy (BW)|Randy]].

==Fiction==
===''Legacy VS500 Collection Special Comic''===
Skywasp was one of many spectators for the [[Speedia 500]] race on [[Velocitron]]. He was standing near [[Burn Out (Diaclone)|Burn Out]] and [[Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)|Lift-Ticket]], [[Parasite|for some reason]]. {{Storylink|Velocitron Speedia 500 Part 2}}
{{-}}

==Toys==
===''Timelines''===
[[File:Timelinestoy BotCon2015 Parasite.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|I will puzhhh them down the stairs!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-multi|'''Waruder Marauders''' ([[BotCon 2015]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories:'' stinger/gun
{{note|Skywasp was [[Repurposing|repurposed]] from [[Parasite#Timelines|Parasite]].}}

: Parasite is a black, purple, red, and gold redeco of the ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' [[Waspinator (BW)/toys#Deluxe|Deluxe Class Waspinator]] sculpt, based on the [[Waspinator (BW)/toys#Universe (2003)|unreleased "Horrorcon" redeco]] of Transmetal Waspinator. He retains the original toy's wing-beating [[gimmick]].

: Parasite was available in a four-pack at [[BotCon 2015]] that included the three other Waruder mechs ([[Paralyzer]], [[Storm Rider]], and [[Mudfighter]]) as well as the four Waruder troops ([[Buzzer (Diaclone)|Buzzer]], [[Ripper (Diaclone)|Ripper]], [[Thrasher (Diaclone)|Thrasher]], and [[Crusher (Diaclone)|Crusher]]). He can wield any of the four Waruder troops in their weapon modes, but is nominally associated with the Ripper toy.
{{GenerationsDeluxeWaspinatorMold}}
{{--}}

===''Buzzworthy Bumblebee''===
[[File:Buzzworthy Creatures Collide Skywasp.JPG|upright=1.66|thumb|He's Skywasp, [[Parasite]], and [[Waspinator_(BW)/toys#Universe_.282003.29|Horrorcon Waspinator]] all at once.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-multi|'''Creatures Collide''' (4-pack, 2022)}}</ul>
:*''Series'': '''''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]]'''''
:*''Accessories'': Stinger blaster, alternate head
:*''Known designers'': [[Mark Maher]] (Hasbro)

:Part of the ''[[Buzzworthy Bumblebee]]'' "Creatures Collide" 4-pack, Skywasp is a redeco of ''[[War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Kingdom]]'' [[Waspinator (BW)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Waspinator]], transforming from a robot into a mostly black-and-purple wasp in 20 steps. Skywasp's blaster stores within his abdomen and is molded to resemble Waspinator's gun. Compared to his ''Timelines'' toy, ''Legacy'' Skywasp's translucent wings are a more saturated shade of red. Skywasp has far more [[5 mm post|5 mm ports]] for the [[C.O.M.B.A.T. System]]/[[F.O.S.S.I.L. Technology]] compared to most other ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]''-styled characters released at the time. He also includes a copy of this mold's alternate head, which originally debuted with ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]]'' [[Buzz Saw (BW)#Legacy|Buzzsaw]], with the instructions encouraging buyers to swap and change the heads at the neck ball joint. Designer [[Mark Maher]] noted that this head was earmarked for use as [[Parasite]], returning the favor of the original Parasite toy's repurposing.<ref>[https://www.instagram.com/p/Ci-_nEROYXk/ Design notes on the Creatures Collide box set] from Hasbro designer [[Mark Maher]].</ref>

:Alongside Skywasp, the set also includes [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#CreaturesCollide|Autobot Goldbug]], [[Ransack (G1)#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Ransack]], and [[Scorponok (BW)#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Predacon Scorponok]]. The ''Buzzworthy Bumblebee'' line was exclusive to Target in the U.S.
{{--}}

==Notes==
* Skywasp was conceived as part of an unrealised plan to produce new heads, based on the original Waspinator toy's non-mutant robot head, that could be included with the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]]'s remaining unsold stock of the Waruder Marauders, allowing them to be sold as different characters. Skywasp was the new identity created for the Parasite toy, and the planned head deco was an homage to the original Skywarp toy and its unusual eye sticker: a black helmet with a dark grey face, with individual eyes tampographed onto a yellow visor.<ref>[https://www.allspark.com/forums/threads/transformers-legacy-line-revealed.370/post-34915 Post by Powered Convoy on The Allspark] – "The TCC was planning on including new heads with the Waruder sets they still had and categorizing them as new characters. Skywasp would have had a new Buzzsaw head (as would the others). It was going to be black with a dark gray face and yellow eyes. The eyes would have the outlines of eyes painted on it like the original Seeker eye stickers for Skywarp. This is where those last day bios came from despite the plans for the new heads falling through."</ref><ref>{{citesocial|quote=@SHIELD_Agent_47 That's correct. All four would have had the new head sculpt. Bug Bite II, Skywasp, Buzz Saw, and King Warudaros were originally planned as recolors of Buzz Saw's head.|link=https://twitter.com/JesseWittenrich/status/1524516092823191553|name=JesseWittenrich|site=Twitter|year=2022|month=5|day=11|(defunct=)}}</ref> The plans for the new heads fell through, but the Club eventually published the bios that had been produced for the initiative on Twitter on its last day of operation.<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/botcon-2015-post-event-discussion-t104603.php#p1849843 Official post by Jesse Wittenrich] on Seibertron about the repurposed Waruder bios published on [https://twitter.com/The_TF_Club/status/815245714766774277 Twitter] (original link now defunct)</ref> While the head deco is different from that planned for the Collectors' Club release, Skywasp's 2022 ''Buzzworthy Bumblebee'' toy would eventually provide the option of a non-mutant robot head for the character as had originally been intended.
* Skywasp being pursued by Ultra Mammoth and Randy is a nod to the profile's author [[Randy Para|Randy "Powered Convoy" Para]], who is a Skywarp mega-fan. ([[Delta Magnus|Powered Convoy]] being the name of the ''[[Diaclone]]'' toy that became [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], who in turn inspired Ultra Mammoth... you get it, surely.)

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Beast Wars Predacons]]
[[Category:Fan Club-original characters]]
[[Category:Legacy Predacons]]
[[Category:Repurposed toys]]
[[Category:Target exclusives]]

Skywasp

2026-01-09T01:14:08Z

Broadside: /* Legacy VS500 Collection Special Comic */

{{factions|predacon}}
{{disambig2|the Predacon|other variations of the name "Skywarp"|Skywarp (disambiguation)}}
:''Skywasp is a [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:Waruder-Parasite.jpg|upright=1.33|thumb|He's either [[Hellwarp]]'s brother, or [[Starscream (G1)#Ask Vector Prime|Waspscream]]'s.]]

'''Skywasp''' is a cruel, petty [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] Air Warrior who takes delight in playing cruel pranks on [[Maximal]]s using his teleportation powers, stinging them from behind and teleporting away before being seen. He even attacks other Predacons for his personal amusement.

[[Skywarp (G1)|Sounds familiar.]]

Skywasp was partnered with the AI [[NAVI-Q]] to keep him in line, but being brought along while teleporting has scrambled her circuits and made her a willing participant in his pranks. His antics have attracted the attention of the Maximals [[Ultra Mammoth]] and [[Randy (BW)|Randy]].

==Fiction==
===''Legacy VS500 Collection Special Comic''===
Skywasp was one of many spectators for the [[Speedia 500]] race on [[Velocitron]]. He was standing near [[Burn Out (Diaclone)|Burn Out]] and [[Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)|Lift-Ticket]], [[Parasite|for some reason]]. {{Storylink|Velocitron Speedia 500 Part 2}}
{{-}}

==Toys==
===''Timelines''===
[[File:Timelinestoy BotCon2015 Parasite.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|I will puzhhh them down the stairs!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-multi|'''Waruder Marauders''' ([[BotCon 2015]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories:'' stinger/gun
{{note|Skywasp was [[Repurposing|repurposed]] from [[Parasite#Timelines|Parasite]].}}

: Parasite is a black, purple, red, and gold redeco of the ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' [[Waspinator (BW)/toys#Deluxe|Deluxe Class Waspinator]] sculpt, based on the [[Waspinator (BW)/toys#Universe (2003)|unreleased "Horrorcon" redeco]] of Transmetal Waspinator. He retains the original toy's wing-beating [[gimmick]].

: Parasite was available in a four-pack at [[BotCon 2015]] that included the three other Waruder mechs ([[Paralyzer]], [[Storm Rider]], and [[Mudfighter]]) as well as the four Waruder troops ([[Buzzer (Diaclone)|Buzzer]], [[Ripper (Diaclone)|Ripper]], [[Thrasher (Diaclone)|Thrasher]], and [[Crusher (Diaclone)|Crusher]]). He can wield any of the four Waruder troops in their weapon modes, but is nominally associated with the Ripper toy.
{{GenerationsDeluxeWaspinatorMold}}
{{--}}

===''Buzzworthy Bumblebee''===
[[File:Buzzworthy Creatures Collide Skywasp.JPG|upright=1.66|thumb|He's Skywasp, [[Parasite]], and [[Waspinator_(BW)/toys#Universe_.282003.29|Horrorcon Waspinator]] all at once.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-multi|'''Creatures Collide''' (4-pack, 2022)}}</ul>
:*''Series'': '''''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]]'''''
:*''Accessories'': Stinger blaster, alternate head
:*''Known designers'': [[Mark Maher]] (Hasbro)

:Part of the ''[[Buzzworthy Bumblebee]]'' "Creatures Collide" 4-pack, Skywasp is a redeco of ''[[War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Kingdom]]'' [[Waspinator (BW)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Waspinator]], transforming from a robot into a mostly black-and-purple wasp in 20 steps. Skywasp's blaster stores within his abdomen and is molded to resemble Waspinator's gun. Compared to his ''Timelines'' toy, ''Legacy'' Skywasp's translucent wings are a more saturated shade of red. Skywasp has far more [[5 mm post|5 mm ports]] for the [[C.O.M.B.A.T. System]]/[[F.O.S.S.I.L. Technology]] compared to most other ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]''-styled characters released at the time. He also includes a copy of this mold's alternate head, which originally debuted with ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]]'' [[Buzz Saw (BW)#Legacy|Buzzsaw]], with the instructions encouraging buyers to swap and change the heads at the neck ball joint. Designer [[Mark Maher]] noted that this head was earmarked for use as [[Parasite]], returning the favor of the original Parasite toy's repurposing.<ref>[https://www.instagram.com/p/Ci-_nEROYXk/ Design notes on the Creatures Collide box set] from Hasbro designer [[Mark Maher]].</ref>

:Alongside Skywasp, the set also includes [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#CreaturesCollide|Autobot Goldbug]], [[Ransack (G1)#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Ransack]], and [[Scorponok (BW)#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Predacon Scorponok]]. The ''Buzzworthy Bumblebee'' line was exclusive to Target in the U.S.
{{--}}

==Notes==
* Skywasp was conceived as part of an unrealised plan to produce new heads, based on the original Waspinator toy's non-mutant robot head, that could be included with the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]]'s remaining unsold stock of the Waruder Marauders, allowing them to be sold as different characters. Skywasp was the new identity created for the Parasite toy, and the planned head deco was an homage to the original Skywarp toy and its unusual eye sticker: a black helmet with a dark grey face, with individual eyes tampographed onto a yellow visor.<ref>[https://www.allspark.com/forums/threads/transformers-legacy-line-revealed.370/post-34915 Post by Powered Convoy on The Allspark] – "The TCC was planning on including new heads with the Waruder sets they still had and categorizing them as new characters. Skywasp would have had a new Buzzsaw head (as would the others). It was going to be black with a dark gray face and yellow eyes. The eyes would have the outlines of eyes painted on it like the original Seeker eye stickers for Skywarp. This is where those last day bios came from despite the plans for the new heads falling through."</ref><ref>{{citesocial|quote=@SHIELD_Agent_47 That's correct. All four would have had the new head sculpt. Bug Bite II, Skywasp, Buzz Saw, and King Warudaros were originally planned as recolors of Buzz Saw's head.|link=https://twitter.com/JesseWittenrich/status/1524516092823191553|name=JesseWittenrich|site=Twitter|year=2022|month=5|day=11|(defunct=)}}</ref> The plans for the new heads fell through, but the Club eventually published the bios that had been produced for the initiative on Twitter on its last day of operation.<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/botcon-2015-post-event-discussion-t104603.php#p1849843 Official post by Jesse Wittenrich] on Seibertron about the repurposed Waruder bios published on [https://twitter.com/The_TF_Club/status/815245714766774277 Twitter] (original link now defunct)</ref> While the head deco is different from that planned for the Collectors' Club release, Skywasp's 2022 ''Buzzworthy Bumblebee'' toy would eventually provide the option of a non-mutant robot head for the character as had originally been intended.
* Skywasp being pursued by Ultra Mammoth and Randy is a nod to the profile's author [[Randy Para|Randy "Powered Convoy" Para]], who is a Skywarp mega-fan. ([[Delta Magnus|Powered Convoy]] being the name of the ''[[Diaclone]]'' toy that became [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], who in turn inspired Ultra Mammoth... you get it, surely.)

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Beast Wars Predacons]]
[[Category:Fan Club-original characters]]
[[Category:Legacy Predacons]]
[[Category:Repurposed toys]]
[[Category:Target exclusives]]

Velocitron Speedia 500 Part 3

2026-01-09T01:09:12Z

Broadside:

{{comicstory
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'''The second phase of the Speedia 500 gains some interesting contestants.'''

==Synopsis==
It's the second week of the [[Speedia 500]] to determine the leader of the planet [[Velocitron]]. [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]] is still hosting, and notes the emergence of three mysterious black racers—two race cars and... a locomotive? The previous racers are surprised at this intrusion into their race.

One of the black race cars reveals himself to be [[Shadowstrip]], an expert in dark courses who shoots out the lights in the tunnel he's travelling through. Bragging of having obtained the power of shadow, Shadowstrip claims that the darker it gets, the more powerful he is. He's interrupted before he can reach the goal, though, by [[Crasher (GoBots)|Crasher]] creating powerful earthquakes that cause the shadowy Decepticon and [[Clampdown (G1)|Clampdown]] (with [[Miko Tezuka]] inside) to fall into a newly created crack in the ground.

The remaining new racer easily foils Crasher's plan by revealing his space shuttle mode to fly over the crack. Proclaiming this triple changing ability his new power obtained after a remodel, the space shuttle reveals himself as [[Galaxy Shuttle]] and he goes on to win the race! The other racers aren't appreciative that this intruder went on to win, but things become more chaotic as many [[Transformer]]s who were spectating join in for a new race!

Meanwhile, [[Dia Cinders (G1)|Dia]] is arrested by [[Dia Cinders (Diaclone)|Dia]] [[Burn Out (Diaclone)|Burnout]].

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|h1=[[Autobot]]s / [[Maximal]]s|collist|2|c1=
{{collist|3|
* [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]] (1)
* [[Galaxy Shuttle]] (3)
* [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] (6)
*[[Dia Cinders (Diaclone)|Dia]] [[Burn Out (Diaclone)|Burnout]] (7)
* [[Road Rocket (G2)|Road Rocket]] (9)
* [[Hauler|Road Hauler]] (10)
* [[Override (Cybertron)|Override]] (11)
* [[Clampdown (G1)|Clampdown]] (12)
* [[Elita One (G1)|Elita-1]] (14)
* [[Metalhawk (G1)|Metalhawk]] (17)
* [[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee]] (18)
* [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] (19)
* [[Metroplex (Cybertron)|Metroplex]] (20)
* [[Devcon (G1)|Devcon]] (21)
* [[Beachcomber (G1)|Beachcomber]] (25)
* [[Blaster (G1)|Twincast]] (27)
* [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]] (28)
* [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] (30)
* [[Skar (IDW)|Scarr]] (31)
* [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] (32)
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] (33)
* [[Lio Convoy]] (40)
* [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] (41)
* [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] (43)
* [[Slag (G1)|Slag]] (44)
* [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] (49)
* [[Crashbar]] (52)
* [[Scraphook]] (53)
* [[Peacemaker]] (58)
* [[Pointblank]] (59)
* [[Crosscut (G1)|Crosscut]] (60)
* [[Road Rage (G1)|Road Rage]] (61)
* [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] (62)
* [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (66)
}}
|h2=[[Decepticon]]s / [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s|collist|2|c2=
{{collist|2|
* [[Shadowstrip]] (2)
* [[Crasher (GoBots)|Crasher]] (4)
* [[Scourge (RID)|Scourge]] (5)
* [[Needlenose (G1)|Needlenose]] (16)
* [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]] (22)
* [[Skyquake (Prime)|Skyquake]] (23)
* [[Knock Out (Prime)|Knock Out]] (24)
* [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundblaster]] (29)
* [[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]] (34)
* [[Wildrider (G1)|Wildrider]] (35)
* [[Dead End (G1)|Dead End]] (36)
* [[Breakdown (G1)|Breakdown]] (37)
* [[Drag Strip (G1)|Dragstrip]] (38)
* [[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]] (39)
* [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] (42)
* [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] (45)
* [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] (46)
* [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]] (47)
* [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]] (48)
* [[Skullgrin]] (50)
* [[Axlegrease]] (51)
* [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] (54)
* [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (55)
* [[Nemesis Prime (G1)|Nemesis Prime]] (56)
* [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] (63)
* [[Crankcase (G1)|Crankcase]] (64)
* [[Tarn (G1)|Tarn]] (65)}}

|c4=
* [[Dia Cinders (G1)|Dia Cinders]] (9)
* [[Miko Tezuka]] (13)
* [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] (15)
* [[Paradise Parakeet]] (26)
* [[Black Lio Convoy|Nemesis Leo Prime]]/[[Dark Amber Leo Prime]] (57)
}}

==Notes==
===Transformers references===
* Along with many other ''Legacy'' characters, [[Black Lio Convoy|Nemesis Leo Prime]] can be spotted in the stands... or can he? He's shown feeding his beast head a small boulder, indicating that the toy has ''actually'' been repurposed as the similar-looking [[Dark Amber Leo Prime]] from author Hayato Sakamoto's [[The Transformers: End of G1 Universe|contemporary work]] on the [[The Transformers: Masterpiece|''Masterpiece'']] toyline. He stands near fellow evil clone [[Nemesis Prime (G1)|Nemesis Prime]].
*[[Crankcase (G1)|Crankcase]] shows fear of [[Tarn (G1)|Tarn]], referencing his encounters with the [[Decepticon Justice Division]] as part of the [[Scavengers (G1)|Scavengers]] in the [[2005 IDW continuity]].
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] appears with an [[AllSpark]] fragment embedded in his hood, suggesting that he's been resurrected in the same way as his universe's [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] after his climactic death in "[[Endgame, Part II]]".
*[[Skyquake (Prime)|Skyquake]] is also seen in the crowd reattaching his arm, implying a resurrection and connection of his wayward arm after the events of "[[Shadowzone (episode)|Shadowzone]]".
*Unlike the other spectators, [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] is shown in a seated position, referring to his fondness for sitting on his throne in the ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|Generation 2]]'' comic.
*[[Drag Strip (G1)|Dragstrip]] is hidden in shadow in the crowd shot, perhaps implying [[Shadowstrip]] is more than meets the eye.
*[[Skids (G1)|Skids]] attempts to spray [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]] and [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]] with [[robotic insecticide]], referring to the episode "[[Quest for Survival]]" and [[Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 47|its ''Legends'' sequel]].
*[[Road Rage (G1)|Road Rage]] stands above [[Crosscut (G1)|Crosscut]], as per her original function as the ambassador's bodyguard.
*[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] and [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] stand together, with the former wielding the [[Star Saber (Armada)|Star Saber]], referring to the period in the [[Transformers: Armada (cartoon)|''Armada'' cartoon]] where the Decepticon joined up with the Autobots.

===Other trivia===
*While the comic is evasive regarding [[Crasher (GoBots)|Crasher]]'s origins, her face and hands are drawn based on her ''Challenge of the [[GoBots]]'' design, and she features her earthquake ability from {{gb|Challenge of the GoBots (cartoon)|said cartoon}}.
*Similar to the previous issue, the comic features the entire TakaraTomy ''Legacy'' toyline at the time of release (except for [[Buzzsaw (G1)#Legacy|Buzzsaw]], if you want to be pedantic).
*Hot Shot now sports the design of his ''Legacy: Evolution'' toy, instead of his [[Hot_Shot_(Armada)/toys#Generations_Selects|previous toy]] depicted in the last two issues.
*Arcee is based on her ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Prime]]'' cartoon design, as opposed to the ''Legacy'' toy from the previous issue.
*The [[Planet Cup|trophy]] held by Elita at the finish line is the same seen in the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|Cybertron]]'' episodes "[[Hero (episode)|Hero]]" and "[[Champion]]".

==References==
*[https://takaratomymall.jp/img/goods/4904810907213/comics.pdf "Velocitron Speedia 500 Part 3" at TakaraTomy Mall]
*[http://www.oafe.net/blog/2023/06/velocitron-speedia-500-part-3/ English translation]

[[Category:Legacy issues]]

Black Lio Convoy

2026-01-09T01:07:36Z

Broadside:

{{factions|maximal|decepticon}}
{{disambig2|the evil clone|the episode in which he appeared|The Black Lio Convoy}}
:''Black Lio Convoy is an evil clone from the [[Beast Wars II: Super Lifeform Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars II]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[File:BWII Copy Convoy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"I found you, faker!"<br>"Faker? I think you're the fake Convoy around here."]]
'''Black Lio Convoy''' (ブラックライオコンボイ ''Burakku Raio Konboi'') is a duplicate of [[Lio Convoy]] born of [[Copy Machine|ancient technology]] from a [[human|forgotten civilization]] on [[Gaia]]. Black Lio Convoy equally matches the original in everything, from attacks to knowledge to strength, except in one thing: humility. Instead of Lio Convoy's respect and honor, Black Lio Convoy simply has arrogance to the point where he insists ''he'' is the original and everybody else is just a faker. Paradoxically, Black Lio Convoy desires to replace the true Lio Convoy, and even the rest of the Maximals with copies under his control.

His incarnations go by various names, including '''Copy Convoy''' (コピーコンボイ ''Kopī Konboi''), '''Lio Convoy Black Version''' (ライオコンボイブラックバージョン ''Raio Konboi Burakku Bāshon''), and '''Nemesis Leo Prime'''.

==Fiction==
===''Beast Wars II'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[Hozumi Gōda]] (Japanese)}}
[[File:BWII Copy Convoy beast mode.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|OMG he's so adorably evil!]]
Discovering that a [[Copy Machine|mysterious device]] uncovered by the [[Autoroller (BW)|Autoroller]]s could be used to create twisted copies of objects or Transformers, the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] planted the device to be discovered by [[Tasmania Kid]]. Hoping to boost the Maximal forces with copies, Kid thoughtlessly used it on Lio Convoy, creating a black duplicate of the Maximal leader.

[[File:BlackLioConvoy01.jpg‎|thumb|Black repaints have feelings, too.]]

Dubbed "Copy Convoy" by the original, the copy revealed himself to be an aggressive warrior who insisted he was the original and attacked the Maximals. Copy Convoy sent the Maximals packing with his intimate knowledge of the their abilities and then fled into the jungle. To keep track of his movements, [[NAVI (Yukikaze)|NAVI]] sent a tracking robot. In the meantime, the Predacons [[Starscream (BW)|Starscream]] and [[BB (BW)|BB]] spotted the copy and tried to convince him to join the Predacons. Spotting the tracking robot, Copy Convoy put on a show of rejecting the Predacons, to fool the Maximals into trusting him. Continuing the charade, the copy apologized to the Maximals for his earlier behavior, drawing the Maximals out of the ''[[Yukikaze (BW)|Yukikaze]]''. Once they met, the Copy Convoy stepped aside to reveal the Copy Machine, which scanned the Maximals and created copies of [[Copy Bighorn|Bighorn]], [[Copy Tasmania Kid|Tasmania Kid]], [[Copy Apache|Apache]], and [[Copy Scuba|Scuba]], all with the express intention of fully replacing the Maximals.

With the clones and the originals equally matched, the Maximals seemed to be stuck in a stalemate. Fortunately, though Copy Convoy possessed all of Lio Convoy's knowledge, he failed to consider what Lio Convoy didn't know. And that was [[Diver (BW)|Diver]]'s actions, for the waterfall Copy Convoy had chosen as his site of ambush was, in fact, the [[Niagara Base]], Diver's concealed outpost. Triggering snares to hold the copies in place, Diver bombarded the other Maximal copies, causing them to fade out of existence. Copy Convoy tried to make one final run for the Copy Machine, but Tasmania Kid reached the machine first and threw it into the air, allowing Lio Convoy to destroy it. The machine's destruction caused the Copy Convoy to likewise fade away into nothingness. {{storylink|The Black Lio Convoy}}

===''Robotmasters''===
To trap the [[Autobot]]s with evil copies of themselves, [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] left a [[Copy Machine]] in some ancient ruins, where it was discovered by [[Bound Rogue]]. Fooled by the incredible power of its duplication, he brought it before Lio Convoy, who agreed to try duplicating himself. However, the resulting "Lio Convoy Black Version" was anything but friendly... {{storylink|The Secret of Lio Convoy Black Version's Birth!?}}

===''Legacy VS500 Collection Special Comic''===
Nemesis Leo Prime was a spectator of the second week of the [[Speedia 500]] on [[Velocitron]]. He was feeding his lion head a rock, which might have meant he was [[Dark Amber Leo Prime|somebody else]]... {{storylink|Velocitron Speedia 500 Part 3}}

==Toys==
===''Beast Wars''===
[[File:Beast Wars-Black Lio Convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|[[Black redeco|''I'' was the first]].<br>(''Toys"R"Us "blue claw" version pictured'')]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-m1|'''Black Lio Convoy''' (ブラックライオコンボイ, [[1998]])}}</ul>
:*''ID number:'' '''C-16'''
:*''Release date:'' [[1998]]
:*''Accessories:'' 6 "Lio Missiles", 2 launchers

: Black Lio Convoy is a [[redeco]] of ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars (Japanese toyline)#1998 (Beast Wars II)|Beast Wars II]]'' [[Lio Convoy#Toys|Lio Convoy]], transforming into an organic lion. He sports the now-familiar black, silver and teal color scheme which was later used for ''Robots in Disguise'' [[Scourge (RID)|Scourge]], ''Alternators'' [[Nemesis Prime (G1)|Nemesis Prime]], and many, many other 'evil' Optimus Prime repaints. There is also a variant of this toy that comes with gold claws, which provenance is unknown and is harder to find than the normal version.

: In [[beast mode]], his forelegs have flip-out double-bladed "Lion Claws", which spring out when pinched together. He also features spring-loaded missile launchers that are hidden inside his mane. The bottom two are flipped out by lifting the bottom flap of his mane and pushing a gray trigger on either side. The top two launchers are flipped out by pushing down on the top panel of his mane. He can only store four of the six "Lio Missiles" in beast mode, but they end up sticking straight out of his mane and look ''very'' awkward. An additional gimmick requires you to unfold his four mane panels and to push on the big red peg protruding from the top to create his "Lion Typhoon" attack. The last gimmick in this mode is a button atop his head that can be pressed to open his mouth, revealing his teeth.

:In [[robot mode]], all of Lio Convoy's aforementioned gimmicks can still be utilized. His flip-out Lion Claws now act as under-slung forearm blades; his Lion Typhoon ends up on his right shoulder; his two bottom Lio Missile launchers flip-out on his forearms; his top two Lio Missile launchers flip out on his right shoulder and can also be removed to be used as hand-held weapons. He also features a pair of molded-in thrusters on his back, and the left side of his chest contains his non-removable "[[Energon Matrix]]". The inside of the door to the Matrix chamber also features his [[Maximal]] [[rubsign]], though this proves rather pointless as the outside of the door features a sliver-chromed Maximal [[insignia]] anyway.

: Black Lio Convoy was initially offered as a [[Lucky Draw figure|sweepstake item]] from ''[[Comic BomBom]]'', officially limited to 10 figures, each marked with a serial number ("B<sub>L</sub>XX") on their robot mode, uh, butts. A wider release later in the year, lacking the serial number, was a [[Toys"R"Us]] [[exclusive]] and came in a regular Lio Convoy box with a sticker indicating that it was "Toys"R"Us Limited Edition Comic BomBom Original Black Lio Convoy" (トイザらス限定版コミックボンボンオリジナルブラックライオコンボイ).

::*''[http://tfu.info/1998/Cybertron/BlackLioConvoy/blacklioconvoy.htm More information on Black Lio Convoy at TFU.info]''
{{BWLioConvoyMold}}
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===''Robotmasters''===
[[File:RMLioConvoyBlack toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|I could duplicate that. I just don't feel like it.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Lio Convoy Gentei Black Version''' (ライオコンボイ限定ブラックバージョン, [[2006]])}}</ul>
:*''ID number:'' '''RM-22'''
:*''Release date'': [[2006]] February
:*''Accessories'': 2 large cannons, 2 small cannons, handgun

: A redeco of the ''[[Robotmasters (franchise)|Robotmasters]]'' [[Lio Convoy#Robotmasters|Lio Convoy]] mold, a scaled-down and marginally-simplified version of the original toy, "Lio Convoy Limited Black Version" retains the general black deco of the first . A Decepticon logo can be found under one of his mane flaps, though he still has the Maximal symbol on his chest plate.

: He lacks any spring-loaded gimmickry; his foreleg claws and lion jaw are now manually-operated, he lacks the mane-spinning gimmick altogether, and he no longer features any missile-launching weaponry. He now comes with a whopping five non-firing blasters; his beast mode mane has peg-holes to attach four of the weapons, simulating his bigger toy's [[attack mode|attack beast mode]]. The smaller handgun has several mounting points on it for adding the other guns, resulting in a superweapon.

: A ''[[Dengeki Hobby Magazine]]'' mail-in exclusive, he was packed in special black and white, windowless box emblazoned with a giant Decepticon sigil. The toy didn't come with [[Black Body (prose)|a story pamphlet]] like its fellow ''Robotmasters'' black redecoes did, instead having [[The Secret of Lio Convoy Black Version's Birth!?|its story]] told in the November issue of ''Dengeki Hobby Magazine''.
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===''Legacy''===
[[File:TF-Legacy-Nemesis-Leo-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|I only work in black. And sometimes, very, very dark gray.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-m1|'''Nemesis Leo Prime''' (Voyager Class, 2023)}}</ul>
:*''TakaraTomy name:'' '''Nemesis Leo Prime''' (ネメシスレオプライム)
:*''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''TL-46'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': [[2023]] [[October 28]]
:*''Accessories'': 4 missile blasters, 2 handheld blaster parts
:*''Known designers'': [[Mark Maher]] (Hasbro), [[Shuhei Umezu]] (TakaraTomy)<ref>[[April 4]], 2023's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qv8dh66d48 Hasbro Pulse Transformers Fanstream] on YouTube, with [[Ben MacCrae]], [[Evan Brooks]], [[Mark Maher]], [[Sam Smith]], [[Shogo Hasui]] and [[Delaney Norris]]</ref>

: Released in the sixth wave of ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]]'' Voyager-class toys, ''Legacy: Evolution'' "Nemesis Leo Prime" is a redeco of the previously-released [[Lio Convoy#Legacy|Maximal Leo Prime]], done in a gray and black color scheme with the color placement being more accurate to the ''Beast Wars II'' cartoon (the first black Lio Convoy-based redeco to do this!). Due to his nature as a villain but ''not'' a Predacon in the cartoon, his box denotes his allegiance with a Maximal insignia with a slash through it. Additionally, his QR code bio establishes him as a "Renegade Maximal".

: As a redeco of Leo Prime, Nemesis Leo Prime contains the same "[[Evo-Fusion]]" gimmicks: he includes four missile blasters that can be pegged into sections of the mane, replicating the "Lio Missile" attack, and the front paws can reveal flip-out claws based on his "Lion Claws". Additionally, he includes a two-piece handheld blaster, based on the [[Maximal Buster#Legacy|Maximal Buster]]. All six weapons are [[Fire Blast effect]]-compatible.

: Nemesis Leo Prime was [[repurposing|repurposed]] as [[Dark Amber Leo Prime]] by the "[[Velocitron Speedia 500 Part 3]]" comic, as demonstrated by his habit of eating rocks..

::''[https://www.instagram.com/p/CsPweLnMFyw/ Designer commentary from Mark Maher on Instagram]''
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==Notes==
* Copy Convoy/Black Lio Convoy is the second "evil black lookalike of a heroic leader" character in ''Transformers'' (the first being [[Onyx Primal]]). He is the first to be a [[cloning|clone]] of his heroic counterpart and the first to use a black/gray/light blue color scheme that would see [[Nemesis Prime (disambiguation)|a '''''LOT''''' of use]] over the next forever. However, he is kind of a footnote for the archetype, with the later and more prominent ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|Car Robots/Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Scourge (RID)|Black Convoy/Scourge]] being the first standout.
* The idiosyncratic inverted color scheme of Black Lio Convoy's first toy was spun out into the new character [[Dark Amber Leo Prime]] by the [[The Transformers: Masterpiece|''Masterpiece'']] toyline shortly before the release of Black Lio Convoy's own ''Legacy'' toy in [[2023]].

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Nemesis Leo Prime''' (ネメシスレオプライム ''Nemeshisu Reo Puraimu'')

==References==
{{reflist}}

==See also==
*[[Dark Amber Leo Prime]]
*[[Galva Convoy]]

[[Category:Beast Wars II Maximals]]
[[Category:Evil clones]]
[[Category:Japanese-original Transformers]]
[[Category:Legacy Maximals]]
[[Category:Mail order exclusives]]
[[Category:Robotmasters Decepticons]]
[[Category:Toys"R"Us Japan exclusives]]

Dark Amber Leo Prime

2026-01-09T01:02:22Z

Broadside: I don't know why we're being coy about this

{{factions|maximal|unicron}}
:''Dark Amber Leo Prime is a [[Maximal]] from the [[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]].''

[[File:Dark Amber Leo Prime.jpg|thumb|300px|"Nature made me a freak. Man made me a weapon. And God made it last too long."]]

Born from the fusion of [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]]'s remnant [[Angolmois Energy]] within [[Earth]]'s crust and the lifeless body of the great [[Lio Convoy|Leo Prime]], '''Dark Amber Leo Prime''' (ダークアンバーレオプライム ''Dāku Anbā Reo Praimu'') finds himself between two opposing forces—the righteousness of Leo Prime and the evil of Unicron. Which will prevail?

==Fiction==
===''End of G1 Universe''===
In a desperate attempt to "save" the dying universe, the [[Maximal]] [[Blue Bolts (RID)|Bluebolt]] brought the lifeless body of [[Lio Convoy|Leo Prime]] to [[Earth]], aware that remnants of [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]]'s energy still persisted, in an attempt to resurrect the great hero. After drawing a magic circle, Bluebolt was interrupted by [[Untite]], who sought to consume the lion's corpse and summoned an undead [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]] to restrain the Maximal. However, the ritual still went off without a hitch and the Angolmois Energy merged with the body to form a new being: Dark Amber Leo Prime. Bluebolt was convinced that this black warrior was Leo Prime reborn, but the arrogant newborn was dismissive of the idea, insisting on being referred to as "Dark Amber". The [[Energon Matrix]] that he inherited from Leo Prime acted as a painful sort of "conscience" and forced him into rescuing the hapless Bluebolt, which Dark Amber dismissed as gratitude for bringing about his existence. Untite, on the other hand, believed Dark Amber to be his maker, Unicron himself, an event which the black robot couldn't recall. Convinced that his opponent was "incomplete" and that he could kill and consume him for great power, Untite attacked and wounded the still-feeble Dark Amber.

To save the dark hero from perishing, Bluebolt gave an offer of self-sacrifice for Dark Amber Leo Prime to consume Bluebolt's body and heal from the energy within. But Dark Amber refused, instead opting to use his planet eater abilities to regain strength from eating... dirt. (It is part of a planet, after all.) Revitalized, Dark Amber easily took down the Seeker. {{Storylink|Dark Amber Leo Prime (First)}} After getting more sustenance from the Sparkless's remnants, Dark Amber moved on to Untite, shredding him apart with his attacks. When it was revealed to Dark Amber by (the now bodiless) Untite and Bluebolt that Earth was about to explode with them still on it, the corrupted Maximal refused to accept the destruction of what became, over ten thousands of millennia, his "home" and used the Unicronian energies within him to restore the planet to a lush one filled with its former life. In the process, he also brought Untite back to tiptop shape. Together with Bluebolt and the grateful Untite, Dark Amber Leo Prime set out in Untite's ship to fix the rest of the universe. {{storylink|Dark Amber Leo Prime (Second)}}

===''Legacy VS500 Collection Special Comic''===
Dark Amber Leo Prime was a spectator of the second week of the [[Speedia 500]] on [[Velocitron]], and fed his lion head a rock as he watched the race. {{storylink|Velocitron Speedia 500 Part 3}}

==Toys==
===''Masterpiece''===
[[File:TF-Masterpiece-MP-48-Black-Lio-Convoy.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|"You know, the flavor can vary greatly depending on the minerals in the dirt. I can tell which kinds of worms have crawled through there, or what sort of like roly-polies used it to raise their family in."]]
*'''Dark Amber Leoprime''' {{sic}} ([[January 28]], [[2023]])
**''ID number'': '''MP-48+'''
**''Accessories'': 4 missiles, 2 beam launchers, weapon folder
{{toydesigner|[[Kōjin Ōno]] (TakaraTomy)}}<ref>[https://www.soundwavesoblivion.com/techspecs/interviewkojinono6.html Interview on the 40th Anniversary of the ''Transformers'' brand] with [[Kōjin Ōno]] in ''[[Transformers Generations 2024]]'', translated at Soundwaves Oblivion</ref>

:''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' Dark Amber Leo Prime is a redeco of [[Lio Convoy#Masterpiece|Lio Convoy]]. He transforms from black lion to robot and is intended to replicate Lio Convoy's animated design, although his coloration is based on [[Black Lio Convoy#Toys|the original Black Lio Convoy toy]]. He is designed to scale with other ''Beast Wars''-based ''Masterpiece'' figures.

:This toy replicates many features of the original toy, like an opening chest hatch with sculpted Matrix inside, deployable arm blades and cannons, and missiles which can be inserted into his cannons, but have no launching mechanisms. He includes opening hatches on his calves which reveal articulated jet boosters. To really go the extra mile for show-accuracy, it has two slightly distinct lion heads, to better depict how in robot mode the lion head goes from furry to smooth and angular.

:Dark Amber Leoprime is also the first ''Masterpiece'' figure with CG renders instead of actual photography on the box. This extends to the front of the box, which seems to intentionally echo the original Lio Convoy figure's box art render.

::*''[[Source:The Transformers: Masterpiece#MP48+|''Masterpiece'' Dark Amber Leo Prime bio translation]]''

===''Legacy''===
[[File:TF-Legacy-Nemesis-Leo-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|I only work in black. And sometimes, very, very dark gray.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-m1|'''Nemesis Leo Prime''' (Voyager Class, 2023)}}</ul>
:*''TakaraTomy name:'' '''Nemesis Leo Prime''' (ネメシスレオプライム)
:*''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''TL-46'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': [[2023]] [[October 28]]
:*''Accessories'': 4 missile blasters, 2 handheld blaster parts
:*''Known designers'': [[Mark Maher]] (Hasbro), [[Shuhei Umezu]] (TakaraTomy)<ref>[[April 4]], 2023's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qv8dh66d48 Hasbro Pulse Transformers Fanstream] on YouTube, with [[Ben MacCrae]], [[Evan Brooks]], [[Mark Maher]], [[Sam Smith]], [[Shogo Hasui]] and [[Delaney Norris]]</ref>
{{note|''Legacy'' [[Black Lio Convoy#Legacy|Nemesis Leo Prime]] was [[Repurposing|repurposed]] as Dark Amber Leo Prime in [[Velocitron Speedia 500 Part 3]].}}

: Released in the sixth wave of ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]]'' Voyager-class toys, ''Legacy: Evolution'' "Nemesis Leo Prime" is a redeco of the previously-released [[Lio Convoy#Legacy|Maximal Leo Prime]], done in a gray and black color scheme with the color placement being more accurate to the ''Beast Wars II'' cartoon (the first black Lio Convoy-based redeco to do this!). Due to his nature as a villain but ''not'' a Predacon in the cartoon, his box denotes his allegiance with a Maximal insignia with a slash through it. Additionally, his QR code bio establishes him as a "Renegade Maximal".

: As a redeco of Leo Prime, Nemesis Leo Prime contains the same "[[Evo-Fusion]]" gimmicks: he includes four missile blasters that can be pegged into sections of the mane, replicating the "Lio Missile" attack, and the front paws can reveal flip-out claws based on his "Lion Claws". Additionally, he includes a two-piece handheld blaster, based on the [[Maximal Buster#Legacy|Maximal Buster]]. All six weapons are [[Fire Blast effect]]-compatible.

::''[https://www.instagram.com/p/CsPweLnMFyw/ Designer commentary from Mark Maher on Instagram]''
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==Notes==
*Dark Amber Leo Prime derives his color scheme from [[Black Lio Convoy]]'s consistently show-inaccurate toy deco.

==References==
{{reflist}}

==See also==
*[[Black Lio Convoy]]
*[[Galva Convoy]]

[[Category:Masterpiece]]
[[Category:Maximals]]
[[Category:Unicron-related characters]]

Blackarachnia (disambiguation)

2026-01-09T01:01:20Z

Broadside:

Transformers called '''Blackarachnia''' are usually venomous spider-queens with ambiguous loyalties.

==Major Blackarachnias==
<center><gallery widths="150px" heights="200px">
File:SourcebookTPBBlackarachnia.jpg|[[Blackarachnia (BW)|"Beast Era" Blackarachinia]]
File:FinalAniBlackarachnia.jpg|[[Blackarachnia (Animated)|''Animated'' Blackarachnia]]
</gallery></center>

==Full list of Blackarachnias==
{{disamb|y=[[1996]]|[[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]], the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] femme fatale who later became a [[Maximal]] from the [[Beast Era]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2008]]|[[Blackarachnia (TransTech)|Blackarachnia]], the [[Autobot]] [[Transcendent Technomorph]] from ''[[Transformers: TransTech|TransTech]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2008|[[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]], the former Autobot-turned [[technorganic]] [[Decepticon]] (then later Predacon) from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2019]]|[[Blackarachnia (Cyberverse)|Blackarachnia]], the Predacon spider from ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (franchise)|Cyberverse]]''.}}

==Not to be confused with...==
* [[Airachnid (disambiguation)|Airachnid]]
* [[Scorponok (G1)|BlackZarak]]
* [[Crystal Widow]]

{{disambig}}

Scythe (Thirteen)

2026-01-08T23:41:56Z

Broadside:

{{factions|{{factions/icons|custom=PotP-AmalgamousPrime.png|cSize=25px|cLink=Amalgamous Prime|cPretty=Amalgamous Prime}}}}
{{disambig2|Amalgamous Prime's weapon|the Mini-Con|Scythe (Cybertron)}}
[[File:Amalgamous Prime OneFilm ILMConceptArt Scythe.jpg|thumb|200px|Just wait until he turns that thing into a Fancy Santa.]]
Though nominally a '''Scythe''', the chosen weapon of [[Amalgamous Prime]] is just as unpredictable as its bearer, ever-changing and taking on other forms and states of matter, from solid to liquid and back again.

==Fiction==
===''The Covenant of Primus''===
Amalgamous wielded the Scythe during the [[Thirteen]]'s war with [[Unicron#Aligned continuity family|Unicron]]. {{storylink|Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|The Covenant of Primus}}

===''One'' film===

[[File:TransformersOne-AmalgamousLiegeMaximoholograms.jpg|thumb|300px|The weapon held by Amalgamous Prime (left). ]]

Amalgamous could be seen holding the Scythe in a hologram, as well as [[Alpha Trion]]'s vision of the [[Thirteen|Primes]]' betrayal by [[Sentinel Prime (One)|Sentinel]]. It's unknown if it had any shape-changing capabilities. {{storylink|Transformers One (film)|Transformers One}}

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==Games==
===''Transformers Roleplaying Game''===
The mutable Scythe was wielded by Amalgamous Prime, sometimes called [[Adaptus]]. {{storylink|Transformers One Sourcebook}}

==Toys==
===''Age of the Primes''===
[[File:AOTP Scythe of Amalgamous Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=2|“Woah! Is that a scythe?”<br> ”It's also a customizable high-impact sniper rifle!”<br> “A-wha…?”<br> “It’s also a gun.”]]
<ul class = "iconlist">{{Bp-pr9|'''The Thirteen Amalgamous Prime''' (Voyager Class, [[2026]])}} </ul>
:*''TakaraTomy ID number:'' '''AOTP-29'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date:'' [[2026]] [[April]]
{{toydesigner|[[Mark Maher]] (Hasbro), [[Hisashi Yuki]] (TakaraTomy)}}<ref>[[July 25]], [[2025]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T18IQaMuGVk Transformers Brand Panel Recap | SDCC 2025 | Hasbro Pulse] on YouTube, with [[Mark Maher]], [[Evan Brooks]] and [[Nate Purswell]].</ref>

: Released as part of the first 2026 wave of ''[[Transformers: Age of the Primes|Age of the Primes]]'', [[Amalgamous Prime#Age of the Primes|Amalgamous Prime]] comes with his signature Scythe, based on its appearance in ''[[Transformers One (film)|Transformers One]]'', featuring the ability to form a gun turret for his various configurations.

::*''[https://www.instagram.com/p/DOzRWSjACdX/ Designer commentary on Amalgamous Prime from Mark Maher on Instagram'']''
::*''[[Source:Transformers Age of the Primes bios#AOTP29|Machine translation of Amalgamous Prime's TakaraTomy bio]]''

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==Notes==
*The weapon known as the Scythe being able to take on any form reads ''uncannily'' like a [[wikia:mspaintadventures:Weapons in Problem Sleuth#Scythe|reference]] to the webcomic [https://www.homestuck.com/problem-sleuth Problem Sleuth].

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Artifacts of the Primes]]

Pulse rifle

2026-01-08T23:36:59Z

Broadside: /* Notes */

[[File:Electro pulse rifle Termination.jpg|upright=1.2|thumb|Short, controlled bursts.]]
'''Pulse rifles''', also colloquially known as "'''pulse guns'''", were a common type of firearm utilized by [[Autobot]]s. Specialized variants include electron-pulse rifles, electrostatic pulse rifles, and ion-pulse rifles.

Ion-pulse rifles were also part of the armaments of the colossal [[Titan (group)|Titan]] [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]].

==Fiction==
===Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics===
[[File:Electron pulse gun Power Play.jpg|thumb|upright=1.2|I wanna introduce you to a personal friend of mine...]]
[[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]]'s electron-pulse gun was capable of emitting a beam of highly energized electrons at 300 bursts per second. {{storylink|The Transformers Universe (Marvel)|Sunstreaker's ''Universe'' profile}}

[[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] could deploy his ion-pulse rifles in both Battle Station and [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]] modes; they additionally formed [[Six-Gun]]'s arms. {{storylink|The Transformers Universe (Marvel)|Metroplex's ''Universe'' profile}}

During the [[Transformer]]s' second battle on [[Earth]] at the [[S. Witwicky Auto Repairs & Tow Service|Witwicky garage]], Sunstreaker fired at the incoming [[Decepticon]]s with his electron pulse gun while [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] took off with his [[Jet pack|rocket backpack]] to shoot [[Thundercracker (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Thundercracker]] with his [[flare gun]]. {{storylink|Power Play!}}

===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
In [[robot mode]], Sunstreaker was armed with an electron-pulse rifle that fired 300 bursts per Earth second. {{storylink|Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|Sunstreaker's ''More than Meets the Eye'' profile}}

[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]]'s [[Pretender]] shell was armed with a semi-automatic pulse rifle and deflector shields mounted on each forearm. {{storylink|Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|Pretender Jazz's ''More than Meets the Eye'' profile}}

Both [[Bristleback]]'s Pretender shell and inner robot were armed with an electrostatic pulse rifle that shorted out an enemy's circuitry, with the potential to cause permanent damage. {{storylink|Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|Bristleback's ''More than Meets the Eye'' profile}}

In all modes Metroplex was armed with ion pulse rifles, alongside an arsenal of other weaponry. {{storylink|Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|Metroplex's ''More than Meets the Eye'' profile}}

===''Wings Universe''===
During the [[Machine Wars (event)|Machine Wars]], pulse rifles were highly utilized by the understaffed [[Cybertron Defense Team (G1)|Cybetron Defense]] forces, such as by [[Clampdown (G1)|Clampdown]]. After releasing the prisoners, [[Electro]] and [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]], Clampdown equipped Electro with a pulse rifle as he did not trust him with his own sword, or as Clampdown called it, his personal weapon of mass destruction. Later in battle, after Electro was knocked off his feet by [[Starscream (MW)|Starscream]], he ditched the rifle in exchange for the cast aside sword of [[Megaplex]]. {{storylink|Termination}}

==Toys==
{{note|Only toys that include accessories explicitly listed as a "Pulse Rifle" (or similar terms like "Pulse Gun") are listed here.}}

<center><gallery widths="150px" heights="150px">
File:G1Six-Gun toy.jpg|''[[The Transformers (toyline)|The Transformers]]''<br>[[Metroplex (G1)#Toys|Metroplex]] ([[Six-Gun#Toys|Six-Gun's]] arms)
File:G1 fangry toy.jpg|''The Transformers''<br>Headmaster [[Fangry (G1)#Toys|Fangry]]
File:Pretender Jazz toy.jpg|''The Transformers''<br>Classic Pretender [[Jazz (G1)/toys#Pretender|Jazz]]
File:G1-toy Vroom.jpg|''The Transformers''<br>Mega Pretender [[Vroom (G1)#Toys|Vroom]]
File:G1-toy Bristleback.jpg|''The Transformers''<br>Monster Pretender [[Bristleback#Toys|Bristleback]]
File:G1-toy Tigertrack.jpg|''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers]]''<br>[[Tigertrack#Toys|Tigertrack]]
File:Sunstreakeruniverse2008toy.jpg|[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|''Universe'' (2008)]]<br>Deluxe [[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Sunstreaker]]
File:Henkei Sunstreaker toy.jpg|''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]''<br>[[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Sunstreaker]]
File:Masterpiece-MP12TTigertrack.jpg|''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]''<br>[[Tigertrack#Masterpiece|Tigertrack]]
File:TF-MP-39-Sunstreaker.jpg|''Masterpiece''<br>[[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|Sunstreaker]]
</gallery></center>

==Notes==
*Pulse rifles, while nowadays a staple term for generic science-fiction firearms, are a reference to the M41A Pulse Rifle from the [[1986]] ''{{w|Aliens (film)|Aliens}}'' movie, which had released earlier in the same year as Metroplex's ''[[The Transformers Universe (Marvel)|The Transformers Universe]]'' profile, which was the first use of the term within the [[The Transformers (franchise)|''Transformers'' franchise]]. The M41A Pulse Rifles were named as such because they used an {{w|Electronic firing|electrical pulse action firing system}} instead of a standard firing pin seen in most modern firearms. Most fictional firearms named after the M41A Pulse Rifle tend to overlook this fact and it is unknown if the pulse rifles within [[Transformers brand|Transformers]] fiction operate on the same mechanism.
*Due to the Lamborghini brothers evidently [[Sideswipe (G1)#Notes|swapping molds]] during the development of ''[[The Transformers (franchise)|The Transformers]]'', Sunstreaker's ''Universe'' profile described him with several features of [[Sideswipe (G1)/toys#Generation 1|Sideswipe]]'s [[toy]], including a hand-held "electron pulse gun" that the original [[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys#Generation 1|Sunstreaker]] toy doesn't include. As Tigertrack was based on the [[Pre-Transformers|pre-''Transformers'']] ''[[Diaclone]]'' toy that would have represented Sunstreaker before the mold swap, his weapon was named after the one in Sunstreaker's ''Universe'' profile. In addition to the 2008 ''Universe'' Sunstreaker toy coming with an "Electron Pulse ''Blaster''", which we have decided to list on this page, his ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' toy came packaged with a much larger "Electron [[Pulse cannon|Pulse Cannon]]".
*For whatever reason, Jazz's [[Classic Pretender]] [[profile]] in [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]]'s ''More than Meets the Eye'' series replaced his semi-automatic "ion pulse gun" with the more generic pulse rifle. Similarly, the "electron pulse gun" in Sunstreaker's universe profile was renamed to an electron pulse rifle in his Dreamwave profile. Due to all of this, coupled with the existence of an ion-pulse rifle in both of Metroplex's profiles, TFWiki has decided to group them all onto one page to prevent any confusion.
*The pulse rifle depicted in "[[Termination]]" appears to be modelled after [[Kup (G1)|Kup]]'s [[musket laser]] that came with his ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' [[Kup (G1)/toys#Generations|figure]]. This is likely because Electro, who is given a pulse rifle in the story, had a [[Electro#Timelines|tie-in toy]] that was a retool of said Kup figure.

==See also==
*[[Pulse blaster]]
*[[Pulse cannon]]

[[Category:Generation 1 rifles]]
[[Category:Pulse weapons|Rifle]]
[[Category:Wings Universe weapons]]

Talk:Francois

2026-01-03T18:08:27Z

Broadside:

== Add the Cedilla? ==

Not very important, but should we rename the page and correct the text to add the cedilla to ''François''? I know the character is written ''Francois'' in the credits but I assume it's an error, since the name ''Francois'' definitely does not exists and is very weird to see as a French reader. Plus, he says he's called ''François'' but without the cedilla it would be pronounced ''Frankois''. --[[User:SoundSky|SoundSky]] ([[User talk:SoundSky|talk]]) 12:19, 3 January 2026 (EST)
:I think that's worth adding to the notes, but I don't think we should contradict the official spelling even if it's, y'know, stupid. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 13:08, 3 January 2026 (EST)

Transformers (2023) issue 27

2025-12-11T00:21:31Z

Broadside: Undo revision 1879001 by Cylasbreakdown (talk) way too speculatory until we actually see it used

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'''With Teletraan back up and running, the long-dormant Autobots are reawakening and have to adjust to this new world... and their new teammates!'''

==Synopsis==
With [[Teletraan I]] repaired, the [[Autobot]]s have begun repairing more of their fallen warriors. However, some such as [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] and [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] are still far beyond repair. Outside the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]] and [[Carly (G1)|Carly]] talk about taking some time to repair themselves with a dinner away from the whirlwind of action their lives have been lately with the [[Transformer]]s. However, their conversation is interrupted by [[General Flagg]], who attempts to apologize to Carly for capturing and interrogating her, but is halted by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]. Magnus tells Flagg that it is only out of appreciation for his recent aid that Magnus hasn't told [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] about his capture and torture at Flagg's hands. However, Flagg defends his actions as the necessary precautions to defend his people against a hostile alien threat, ending with a veiled threat that Optimus Prime would understand. Magnus is left speechless.

At the [[Hoover Dam]], the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticon]]s cause terror, blasting at fleeing humans while [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] siphons their electricity into [[Energon]] cubes. Suddenly, [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] teleports in and joins them in their carnage.

[[File:TF2023 no. 27 - Thundercracker Joins Autobots.jpg|thumb|left|200px]]
Optimus Prime sits with [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]], who contemplates the cruelty with which his fellow [[Decepticon]]s have conducted themselves. Prime is heartened to know that Thundercracker shares his distaste for how their violence affects the innocents of [[Earth]], and admits that even the Autobots sometimes see the planet as beneath them. Thundercracker agrees, saying he would choose Skywarp over the humans, a mindset Prime does not begrudge.

At the [[Shadow Watch]] Underground Base, General Flagg meets with [[Miles Mayhem]], asking if Mayhem got everything he needs to complete his “little project” from the Transformers. Mayhem is indignant at this assessment, blustering that his technology is far more advanced than anything else on the planet, all thanks to ''his'' brilliance. When Flagg reminds him that [[Matt Trakker]] helped him with the project, Mayhem attacks him. However, Flagg easily dispenses with him, and due to the fact that Mayhem hasn't produced a single prototype, he sees no reason to keep him around as Director of Shadow Watch, ordering a group of soldiers to arrest him.

Back on the Ark, [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] pleads with Optimus to let himself get repaired, but Prime continues to put the needs of others before himself, suggesting they begin searching for the rest of the Autobots thrown from the Ark when it crashed. He also considers repairing the remaining Decepticons, but Thundercracker objects, fearing the harm that would come from his reawakened brothers and sisters. Prime agrees and finally decides to be repaired. Outside, Ultra Magnus meets with [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] and confesses to her that, after everything that has happened to him, he wishes to pass the title of Magnus to her. Inside, with Thundercracker having now replaced his Decepticon insignia with an Autobrand, the fully-repaired Optimus Prime tells his Autobots that they have a new mission: ridding the planet of all Decepticons once and for all!

On [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] sneaks through Decepticon territory with a handful of recovered pieces of equipment. However, while he can avoid the patrols of Decepticons on foot, he has no idea that his every movement is being watched from above… by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], whose mangled body is fused to one of the towers!

==Featured characters==
Characters in ''italic text'' appear only in flashbacks.<br>
{{Featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (1)
* [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]] (2)
* [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] (3)
* [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (4)
* [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] (5)
* [[Bulkhead (G1)|Bulkhead]] (6)
* [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] (10)
* [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (17)
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] (18)
* [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] (20)
* [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] (24)
* [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] (25)
* [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] (26)
* [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] (27)
* [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (28)

|c2=
* [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] (11)
* [[Brawl (G1)|Brawl]] (12)
* [[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]] (13)
* [[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]] (14)
* [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] (15)
* [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (16)
* [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] (21)
* [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] (22)
* [[Slipstream (G1)|Slipstream]] (23)
* [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] (29)
* [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] (30)

|c3=
* [[Carly (G1)|Carly]] (7)
* [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] (8)
* [[General Flagg]] (9)
* [[Miles Mayhem]] (19)
}}

==Quotes==
"There are those among my Autobots who see my actions on this world as folly. Even they, though good of heart, see this world as '''beneath''' us. '''Unworthy''' of our notice."<br/>
"Is it okay to admit there's a part of me that agrees with them? If I had to choose between Skywarp and a hundred of these creatures, I would choose Skywarp. But that doesn't mean I '''want''' them to die."
:—'''Optimus Prime''' and '''Thundercracker'''

"Man! You spend a few million years out cold and the standards sure do change around here! What’s next? [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] joining up?"
:—'''Bulkhead''', upon seeing Thundercracker with the Autobrand

"Run, run, little Autobot. I'll peel the steel from your frame soon enough. So swears...'''SHOCKWAVE'''"
:—'''Shockwave''' returns.

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
* Brawn and Blaster both had hi-and-bye cameos earlier in the series before appearing revived here (in [[Transformers (2023) issue 2|issues #2]] [[Transformers (2023) issue 5|and #5]], respectively).
* Jetfire has been fully repaired after being near-fatally wounded by [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] in [[Transformers (2023) issue 1|issue #1]] and revived but mode locked in [[Transformers (2023) issue 8|issue #8]].
* Jetfire remarks that there was good in Starscream once, something we saw — along with their friendship — in the flashbacks of [[Transformers (2023) issue 13|issues #13]] and [[Transformers (2023) issue 14|#14]].
* Carly and Ultra Magnus were captured by [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]/Shadow Watch in [[Transformers (2023) issue 18|issue #18]].
* As Optimus and Thundercracker talk, we see a fully grown buck in a callback to the infamous deer scene from issue #2.
* Ratchet and [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]] are the two who have been most critical towards Optimus for his prioritizing of Earth and the humans.
* General Flagg namedrops [[Matt Trakker]] as having worked with Mayhem on his "[[M.A.S.K.|little project]]". Readers were introduced to Trakker in [[G.I. Joe Energon Universe 2025 Special story|the ''G.I. Joe'' segment]] of the ''[[Energon Universe 2025 Special]]'', wherein he alluded to being on the run and involved in a dangerous secret project and showed awareness of the Transformers.
* Ultra Magnus has been dealing with post-traumatic stress ever since his capture and torture at the hands of Shockwave, as seen in [[Transformers (2023) issue 9|issue #9]].
* Wheeljack says that they've revived everyone who was accounted for in the ship, and that any other missing Autobots are expected to have been thrown from the ship when the Ark crashed. One of those Autobots is [[Hound (G1)|Hound]], who has been keeping busy in the pages of ''[[G.I. Joe (2024 comic)|G.I. Joe]]''.
* Shockwave was believed dead when Optimus Prime crushed his head with his bare hands in [[Transformers (2023) issue 12|issue #12]]. It seems he wasn't quite as dead as believed, but his body and head are still in a state of disrepair.

===Transformers references===
* The technicians at the Hoover Dam are wearing yellow hardhats resembling the dock workers from the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 cartoon]] episode [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]].
* This issue reveals that the "Magnus" part of Ultra Magnus's name is actually a title. While typically "Ultra Magnus" is simply the character's name, there have been instances where this is not the case. ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers Animated]]'' used "[[Magnus (rank)|Magnus]]" as the highest rank within the Autobots above [[Prime (rank)|Prime]] in a subversion of the usual pattern. The [[2005 IDW continuity]] featured "[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ultra Magnus]]" as a pseudonym used by a variety of Autobot lawmen after the originator of the name (for whom it was simply his given name) was killed.
* Among the deactivated Decepticons in the Ark are classic Decepticons Blitzwing, Dirge (officially completing the appearances of the [[Conehead]]s in the Energon Universe), and female [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]] Slipstream, a character who – like Bulkhead – began life in ''Transformers: Animated'' before making the jump to other iterations.
* While watching Thundercracker display his new Autobots symbols, Bulkhead makes an offhand joking comment, wondering about if Megatron is next to join them, an obvious reference to [[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|the time Megatron ''did'' join the Autobots]].

===Real life references===
* The Hoover Dam is a real location that has appeared in Transformers fiction before, most notably in the [[2007]] ''[[Transformers (film)|Transformers]]'' film, as well as the [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]] ''[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Transformers]]'' issue "[[Aerialbots over America!]]"

===Other notes===
* Miles says that his full name is "Miles McKane Mayhem."
* This issue's letters page includes a tribute to the late [[Ron Friedman]].
* Energon Experience: Presented by Skybound Executive Editor Ben Abernathy.
** '''Character Spotlight:''' Brawn
** '''Oh, Deer:''' Callback to the deer scene from issue #2.
** '''Creator Spotlight:''' Ben asks Robert Kirkman what his alt-mode would be. Kirkman would love to turn into a jet or spacecraft and fly around, but would probably actually turn into a keyboard or couch. Or his bed.

===Covers===
* '''Cover A:''' Soundwave, by [[David Nakayama]]
* '''Cover B:''' Optimus and Thundercracker sit together as the sun sets, by Daniel Warren Johnson and Mike Spicer.
* '''Cover C:''' Connecting cover, by [[Jorge Corona]] and Mike Spicer.
* '''Cover D:''' Thundercracker wears his new Autobot insignias, by [[Lorenzo De Felici]].
* '''Cover E:''' Design for Soundwave, by Dan Mora and [[Andres Juarez]].

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===Reprints===

==External links==

==References==
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[[Category:Transformers (2023) issues]]

Reboost

2025-11-28T23:59:17Z

Broadside: /* Masterpiece */

{{factions|autobot}}
:''Reboost is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]] (via [[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]).''

[[File:TF-Masterpiece-MP-54-Reboost.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|For a guaranteed ratings smash, dig it up out of the trash; c'mon, just Reboost it!]]

Assigned to [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]], citadel guardian<ref>Written in Japanese as ''jōto shubi-in'' (城都守備員).</ref> '''Reboost''' (リブースト ''Ribūsuto'') is known for his outgoing attitude and many hobbies, including giving rides around town to humans, multispectrum landscape photography, and cy-fiber weaving. The only Autobot who doesn't seem to like him is [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]]. Unlike most Transformers, Reboost didn't scan his beloved Honda City R [[Alternate mode|vehicle mode]], but physically merged his life core with one, after being reduced to his [[personality component]] by [[Marlboor Dynamic|Marlboor]], which reads to the machine-loving little Autobot as a kind of bodyjacking. Reboost is quite familiar with that kind invasion of privacy, though. The story behind his coming to Earth is a tragic tale of love lost, but you wouldn't know it by talking to him.

Reboost can separate his consciousness into his autonomous [[Component X]] drone, allowing it to run interference using his [[holomatter]] avatars, but his most impressive power is his Boost Key special ability. Reboost can power up the life force of any organism, organic or metallic, granting them increased power and even regenerative properties. Its only downside is Reboost's own lack of medical knowledge: there's no guarantee he'll restore what needs restoring, limiting its potential uses.

==Fiction==
===''Masterpiece'' toy bios===
Reboost originally transformed into a surveillance satellite, and put his long-range reconnaissance talents to good use as a member of the [[Autobot Outer Planetary Support Squad]]. Eventually, however, Reboost successfully petitioned to join the Autobot defense force on the planet [[Engali]], a world known for its complicated octuple-gender marriage rituals. To cement the alliance between Engali and [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], it was decided that Reboost would marry [[Merai]], heir to one of Engali's most powerful families.

Although Reboost and Merai got on well, Reboost soon realized that the planet's ruling houses were after his unique abilities, and he became embroiled in a dispute between two feuding princes. When a group of traitorous Engalians attacked him, Reboost lost consciousness, and was transferred to an offworld research facility. Upon reawakening, Reboost found that he'd been disassembled, with his life core transferred into his Component X drone; worse, he discovered that his assailants had entered into an alliance with the sinister [[Marlboor Dynamic]] megacorporation, and that in his absence the other members of his marriage had married into other families. Upon discovering data regarding a red Honda City R from Earth, Reboost distracted his captor using [[holomatter]] avatars long enough for him to rebuild his Component X drone into an ambulatory unit, then smuggled himself through a [[warp gate]] to the Sol system and hitched a ride on an Earth-bound cargo ship.

After arriving on Earth, Reboost landed in a city under threat from the Decepticons. Fortunately, he was able to transplant his life core into a nearby Honda City R, reshaping the car into a new Autobot body for himself! Reborn in a stronger form, Reboost saw off the Decepticon invaders and became the city's new defender. {{storylink|Source:MP-54 Cybertron Citadel Guardian Reboost|''Masterpiece'' Reboost bio}}

==Toys==
===''Masterpiece''===
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Reboost''' ([[November 20]], [[2021]])}}</ul>
:*''ID number'': '''MP-54'''
:*''Accessories'': "Laser Gun", "Rocket Pod" w/ missile, "Double Laser Gauntlet", "[[Component X]]", "[[Holomatter]] Avatar"
{{toydesigner|[[Kōjin Ōno]] and [[Yūya Ōnishi]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' Reboost is a [[redeco]] and [[retool]]ing of the simultaneously-released [[Skids (G1)#Masterpiece|MP-53 Skids]], based on the red version of ''[[Diaclone]]'' No. 6 Honda City R. Reboost transforms into an officially-licensed 1st generation Honda City R vehicle mode, and he also features the same alt mode functionalities that other versions of the mold have such as opening front doors, an opening hood with engine detailing underneath, an openable rear trunk that can store some of his accessories, and a basic interior.

: For accessories, Reboost comes included with a "Laser Gun" that can be folded into a more compact form for storage in Reboost's vehicle mode rear trunk, a "Rocket Pod" with removable missile, and a "Double Laser Gauntlet" which shares tooling with Skids's twin electron blaster. In robot mode, each of the weapons can either peg into the top of the forearms like the original Skids toy (with the Laser Gun having a flip-out handle he can grip), or on the outer sides of the forearms via dedicated slots. Unfortunately, it is not possible to equip him with all three weapons at once, as the side-mounting clips will interfere with the top-mounted weapons.

: Reboost also comes with [[Component X]], based on the fold-out motocompo included with real-life Honda subcompact cars, and a [[Holomatter]] Avatar driver that can ride inside Reboost's interior in vehicle mode, which is a transparent version of the [[Spike Witwicky (G1)#MP47|Spike Witwicky]] figure included with [[Hound (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|Hound]]. In vehicle mode, the Laser Gun and Double Laser gauntlet can be securely stored in the car's trunk, along with either the Rocket Pod or Component X (but not both at the same time).

:This tooling, complete with scooter, was redecoed into fellow ''Diaclone'' alumnus [[Crosscut (G1)#Masterpiece|Crosscut]], then further retooled to make [[Burn Out (Diaclone)#Masterpiece|Dia Burnout]].

::*[https://tf.takaratomy.co.jp/skids-reboost Official TakaraTomy website of ''Masterpiece'' Reboost]
::*[[Source:MP-54 Cybertron Citadel Guardian Reboost|''Masterpiece'' Reboost bio translation]]

==Notes==
[[File:DiacloneSkids.jpg|thumb|Team ''Diaclone'' Honda City. Back row: [[Crosscut (G1)|Crosscut]], [[Skids (G1)|Skids]], [[Burn Out (Diaclone)|Burn Out]]. Front row: ???, Reboost.]]
* Legendary ''Diaclone'' veteran and current ''Masterpiece'' designer [[Kōjin Ōno]] happened to own just such a red City R himself. It's not just anyone who gets to make their car into a Transformer. Twice!
* Reboost was created to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the '''Honda City R''' (ホンダ・シティ{{ruby|R|アール}}) in its iconic red color scheme, the car itself being significantly more famous than Skids in Japan.<ref>[https://www.soundwavesoblivion.com/techspecs/interviewkojinono.html Design interview] with Kōjin Ōno</ref>
* Reboost's ''Diaclone''-based red colouration often lends to confusion with the burnt orange form of [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] known as [[Screech (Generations)|Screech]], himself inspired by [[Mudflap (ROTF)|''Revenge of the Fallen'' Mudflap]]. Remember, Reboost has the blue head, hands, and feet while Screech has dark grey hands and feet.
* The Crosscut/Reboost tooling was considered for inclusion in the Generation 1 line long enough for the Reboost colouration to be used by Takara in a preliminary 1985 packaging mural.<ref>[https://twitter.com/tfwiki/status/1131664542986133504] Close-up look by @tfwiki on Twitter</ref> (Said mural featured other oddities, such as Skids in [[Burn Out (Diaclone)|the black deco]] as well as the distinctive prototype version of [[Superion (G1)#Notes|Superion]].)
* The Honda City R received its own bio in Reboost's ''Masterpiece'' release and even got top billing over Reboost himself!<ref>[https://tf.takaratomy.co.jp/wordpress/wp-content/themes/tf/img/products/tf_mp/item_tf_mp-54_manual.pdf ''Masterpiece'' Reboost instructions] at TakaraTomy's Transformers webpage</ref>

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Generation 1 Autobots]]
[[Category:Masterpiece]]

Burn Out (Diaclone)

2025-11-28T23:34:07Z

Broadside: /* Masterpiece */

{{factions|autobot|velocitron|autobotg2}}
{{disambig3|Burnout}}
:''Burn Out is a [[Diaclone (faction)|Diaclone]] vehicle from [[Diaclone]] or a [[Velocitron]]ian [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[File:Diaclone Burn Out.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|I'm the original [[Skids (disambiguation)|Skids]].]]

Though she's not the fastest or biggest bot around, '''Burn Out''' (also '''Burnout''') is a warrior known for her determination and stoicism. Unfortunately, she's also known for her ''stubbornness'', which frequently leads her to argue with allies like her partner, the [[Diaclone (faction)|Diaclone project]] pilot [[Dia Cinders (Diaclone)|Dia Cinders]].

Fortunately, Burn Out is heavily armed with an array of weapons from [[pulse rifle]]s to [[concussion leveler]]s, which surely helps in venting any frustration caused by butting heads.

==Fiction==
===''Diaclone'' continuity===
====''TransTech''====
[[File:Burn Out Cybertron's Most Wanted.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|right|"Yup."]]
Burn Out was a mech created as part of the [[Diaclone (faction)|Diaclone project]], partnered with the ambitious and dedicated [[Dia Cinders (Diaclone)|Dia]]. To aid in targeting the mech's extensive weapons array while maintaining balance and maneuverability, Burn Out's central computer was equipped with an artificial intelligence based on Dia's personality. Unfortunately, as both Dia and the AI were incredibly stubborn, the two ended up arguing enough that Dia preferred to turn off the voice command function and pilot the mech herself, despite the physical exertion required to do so. {{storylink|#Toys|''Timelines'' Burn Out profile}}

Crossing dimensions in pursuit of the [[Waruder]]s, [[Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)|Lift-Ticket]]/[[Darius Cline|Cline]] and Burn Out/Dia found themselves stranded on [[Axiom Nexus]]. Following a Waruder signal underground, the Diaclone team bumped into a group of Cybertron's most wanted criminals. Startled, they fled the scene. The groups reconvened as they both wound up within the Waruder hive. Joining forces with [[Megatron (Movie)#TransTech|C-81]]'s group, as well as [[Optimus Prime (G1)#General Optimus|General Optimus Prime]] and [[Hound (G1)#TransTech|Sergeant Hound]], they did their best to hold the insectoid invaders at bay. During the battle, Dia used her mech to great effectiveness, but begun to become overwhelmed when there appeared to be no end to the Waruder soldiers. Things took a turn for the worse when the Lift-Ticket mech took a serious blow, forcing Dia to use Burn Out to protect her now vulnerable teammate. Thankfully, the Waruders were led off-planet thanks to the collaborative efforts of everyone involved. {{storylink|Cybertron's Most Wanted}}

====''Masterpiece'' toy bios====
After being created, the artificially intelligent Burn Out chose its name in reference to the surname of its pilot and personality template, Dia Cinders.

Following the defeat of the Waruders in Axiom Nexus, Dia and Burn Out departed the city for their home universe, only to be caught up in the effects of the [[Shroud]], a cosmic phenomenon affecting travel between universes. Mech and pilot found themselves quantum-mechanically entangled into a mass of formless molten metal which emerged into [[G1 World|another world]] that was not their own, where they crashed down to the local version of [[Earth]].

By a stroke of luck, this Earth was home to [[Spin-Out (G1)|Spin-Out]], a Diaclone mech from Dia and Burn Out's home universe who had been elevated into a true robot lifeform by the technology of this world's Transformers. Spin-Out's code recognized the metal object as being a fellow Diaclone mech, and the Autobots proceed to use G2 Technology to reconstitute Burn Out into its original robotic form. It was only after this was done, however, that Dia and Burn Out's fusion became clear, leaving the pair of them trapped as a unique hybrid being known as "Diaburnout". At times, Diaburnout would subconsciously make a holographic representation of the trapped human Dia, standing nearby when in robot mode, or behind the driver's seat in vehicle mode.

The Autobots committed to helping Dia regain her own human form, but the lack of template data for that body made it a difficult endeavour. Having learned from the TransTech that beings can have direct counterparts in different universes, Diaburnout proposed that they look for this world's version of Dia Cinders. To the Autobots' surprise, there was indeed [[Dia Cinders (G1)|a native Dia]], but she was a notorious interstellar criminal, wanted across many human colony worlds.

[[File:Velocitron Speedia 500 1-1.jpg|left|thumb|Eat our 109 horsepower engine! That's good, right?]]

The Autobots tracked who they called "Mirror Dia" to a private planet of [[Epsilon Ariadne]], and while the criminal slipped away minutes before they caught up with her, a genetic sample was recovered from her hotel room that would allow Dia to be separated. While the process could be carried out immediately, Diaburnout declined, instead deciding that they would not be separated until they could catch the criminal herself and prevent her from further tarnishing the name "Dia Cinders". Having picked up another clue, Diaburnout and their Autobot teammates set out for the planet [[Velocitron]]. {{storylink|Burn Out (Diaclone)#Masterpiece|''Masterpiece'' Diaburnout bio}}

====Velocitron Speedia 500====
With Mirror Dia riding aboard, {{Storylink|Velocitron Speedia 500 Part 3}} Diaburnout competed in the [[Speedia 500]] for the chance to become leader of Velocitron. In the race, the team scaled a steep cliff to create a shortcut for themselves. [[Road Rocket (G2)|Road Rocket]] called it "cheating", but race official/announcer [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]] didn't seem to have a problem with it. {{Storylink|Velocitron Speedia 500 Part 1}} Diaburnout would ultimately lose to former champion [[Override (Cybertron)|Override]]. {{Storylink|Velocitron Speedia 500 Part 2}} In the second week of races, Diaburnout and Mirror Dia found themselves up against a new trio of black-colored racers who dominated the competition. Upon crossing the finish line, Diaburnout declared to Mirror Dia that she was under arrest. {{Storylink|Velocitron Speedia 500 Part 3}}

====''MPG'' toy bios====
Mirror Dia would escape their clutches, regardless. When the Autobots managed to catch up with her thanks to [[DK-2 Guard]], Diaburnout was occupied with assisting a friend. {{Storylink|DK-2 Guard#MPG|DK-2 Guard bio}}
{{--}}

===2019 IDW continuity===
[[File:Burn Out Treads Circuits.jpg|thumb|upright=.67|Burn, baby, burn!]]
A resident of [[Velocitron]], Burn Out was one of the many participants in the [[Speedia 500]], the race to determine the next leader of the planet. {{storylink|Tread & Circuits Part 2}} She evaded [[Mayhem Attack Squad|Mayhem]]'s onslaught, taunting the participants of the ensuing brawl as she did so. Unfortunately she did not win. Didn't even come close, if we're honest. But she didn't die, either! Maybe next time, Burn Out. {{storylink|Tread & Circuits Part 3}}
{{--}}

==Toys==
===''Timelines''===
[[File:TL-toy BurnOut.jpg|thumb|300px|Yup.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-multi|'''Diaclone 2-pack''' (Souvenir set, 2015)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories:'' Small gun, large gun

: ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'' Burn Out is a [[redeco]] of ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations: Thrilling 30]]'' Deluxe Class [[Skids (G1)#Generations|Skids]], transforming into a compact hatchback car of made-up model. She comes with a rifle and a pistol that can combine into a larger rifle, and can be held or peg onto her vehicle sides via [[5 mm post]]. Her robot-mode shoulders have hidden non-firing multi-missile launchers revealed by rotating part of the wheel hub up. The double-blasters attached to her forearms can split up and spread out for a wider firing angle. She has visible light-piping on the back of her head, but her eyes are painted yellow, rendering it useless.

: She was available only in an at-show "Diaclone 2-pack" souvenir set with [[Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)#Toys|Lift-Ticket]] at [[BotCon 2015]].

:This toy was [[Repurposing|repurposed]] as [[Skids (SG)|''Shattered Glass'' Skids]]. This mold was also used to make ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (toyline)|Age of Extinction]]'' [[Rollbar (AOE)#Toys|Rollbar]], and was [[retool]]ed into ''Generations'' [[Crosscut (G1)#Generations|Crosscut]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2015/Diaclone/BurnOut/burnout.htm More information on Burn Out at TFU.info]''
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===''Legacy''===
[[File:TF-Legacy-Velocitron-Speedia-500-Burn-Out.jpg|thumb|300px|They're [[Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)#Generations Selects|together]] [[BotCon 2015|again!]]]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Diaclone Universe Burn Out''' (Deluxe Class, [[2022]])}}</ul>
:*''TakaraTomy name'': '''Dia Burnout'''
:*''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''TL EX-02'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': [[January]], [[2023]]
:*''Accessories'': [[Energon]] axe/rifle, [[liquid nitrogen rifle]], twin electron blaster
{{toydesigner|[[Mark Maher]] (Hasbro), [[Tomoki Tatsumi]] (TakaraTomy) | [[Robby Musso]] and [[Emiliano Santalucia]] (concept art)}}

: Part of the first wave of the ''Velocitron Speedia 500 Collection'' sub-series of ''[[Transformers: Legacy]]'', "[[Diaclone]] Universe Burn Out" is a redeco and [[retool]]ing of the main-line ''Legacy'' Deluxe Class [[Skids (G1)#Legacy|Skids]], with a new "battle mask" head based on that of [[Crosscut (G1)|Crosscut]]. She transforms into a legally-distinct approximation of a Honda City Turbo, based on the black version of the Diaclone "No. 9 Honda City Turbo" toy.

: Both of her modes modes have multiple [[5 mm post]] holes to mount these accessories, as well as making her compatible with the many "take apart to turn into weapons and armor for other bots" figures released in the prior years (first introduced as the "[[C.O.M.B.A.T. System]]" in ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege|Siege]]''). Her two silver blasters are designed to combine into a triple-blaster by plugging the double-blaster upside-down into the bottom of the single-barrel one. You can even turn it into a quad-barrel weapon by adding the axe to the top; the silver single-barrel gun nestles neatly into the space behind the axe's handle-grip.

: The ''Velocitron Speedia 500 Collection'' was exclusive to [[Walmart]] in the US, with [[Hasbro Pulse]] receiving limited quantities of the figure. The series went up for pre-order on [[July 21]], 2022, and started arriving in stores by [[August 1]]. The series was a [[TakaraTomy Mall]] exclusive in Japan, and a Farmers department store exclusive in New Zealand.
{{LegacySkidsMold}}
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===''Masterpiece''===
[[File:MP-toy DiaBurnout.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|So with [[Crosscut (G1)#Masterpiece|Senatorcrosscut]] and now Dia Burnout, what's next? [[Screech (Generations)|Quantumoperativescreech?]] <small>(Yes please)</small>]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Dia Burnout''' (Masterpiece, [[2023]])}}</ul>
:*''Hasbro name'': '''Autobot Burn Out'''
:*''ID number'': '''MP-53+B'''
:*''Release date'': [[March 25]], 2023
:*''Accessories'': "Turbo Cannon", "Concussion Leveler" w/ missile, "Pulse Rifle", "Double Laser Caster", Motocompo attaché drone, "ghost pilot" figure
{{toydesigner|[[Kōjin Ōno]] (TakaraTomy)}}<ref>[https://www.soundwavesoblivion.com/techspecs/interviewkojinono6.html Interview on the 40th Anniversary of the ''Transformers'' brand] with [[Kōjin Ōno]] in ''[[Transformers Generations 2024]]'', translated at Soundwaves Oblivion</ref>

: ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' MP-53+B "Dia Burnout" is a new-head retool and redeco of MP-53 [[Skids (G1)#Masterpiece|Skids]], transforming into a {{w|Honda City (AA)|Honda City Turbo}} featuring opening front doors, an opening hood with engine detailing underneath, an openable rear storage trunk (more on that in a bit), and a basic interior capable of fitting one of the posable ''Masterpiece'' human figures. The new head is based on the original Honda City Turbo Diaclone toy's head, rather than the cartoon model from Skids.

: She comes with a slew of accessories: the cartoon-based blaster accessories from Skids (the Turbo Cannon and Double Laser Caster), the toy-based weapons from [[Reboost#Toys|Reboost]] (the Pulse Rifle and Concussion Leveler), as well as Reboost's Motocompo scooter. In robot mode, each of the weapons can either peg into the top of the forearms like the original Skids toy (with the Pulse Rifle having a flip-out handle she can grip), or on the outer sides of the forearms via dedicated slots. Unfortunately, it is not possible to equip her with all four weapons at once, as the side-mounting clips will interfere with the top-mounted weapons. The Motocompo can also seat a ''Masterpiece'' human figure, but the wheels are fixed so don't go zooming it around.

: Her vehicle-mode trunk is designed to store the Pulse Rifle and Double Laser Caster securely, as well as either the Motocompo (once its handlebars have been folded away) or the remaining two guns. Unfortunately, the other guns and Motocompo are not actually secured in any way, but the fit is tight enough that they don't rattle around much at all. You're not getting everything in there, sorry.

: She also comes with a "ghost pilot" figurine representing the discorporate Dia, a translucent-orange redeco of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#35th|MP-44]]'s [[Carly (G1)#Masterpiece|Carly]] figurine, which can also pilot the aforementioned drone. However, care must be taken as her multiple pinhead-sized balljoints cause her limbs to come apart very easily.

: Finally, she also comes with a bonus sheet of optional stickers, featuring a large Autobot insignia and a ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|Generation 2]]'' Autobot insignia for her hood, and a tiny original Autobot insignia for the Motocompo.

: Dia Burnout was revealed on [[August 9]], [[2022]], with pre-orders opening the next day. She began shipping in late March of 2023.

::*''[[Source:The Transformers: Masterpiece#MP53+B|Complete text of the story information included with ''Masterpiece'' Dia Burnout]]''
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==Notes==
[[File:DiacloneSkids.jpg|thumb|250px|Free coffee with every fifth Skids redeco!]]
* Burn Out is based on the black coloration of Honda City Turbo (ホンダ・シティ・ターボ), the ''[[Diaclone]]'' toy whose blue version was used to create [[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]] [[Skids (G1)#Toys|Skids]].
* The black Honda City Turbo appears on a preliminary 1985 packaging mural.<ref>[https://twitter.com/tfwiki/status/1131664542986133504 Close-up look by @tfwiki on Twitter]</ref> It is unclear if Takara was considering it for use in the [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1 line]] or if the artist was just recycling existing product as a visual reference. (Said mural featured other oddities, such as the red Honda City R which would eventually inspire [[Reboost]] as well as the distinctive prototype version of [[Superion (G1)#Notes|Superion]].)
* The trademark "Burn Out" comes from a [[Cobra]]-allied [[Dreadnok]], as [[Fun Publications]] also held the ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]]'' Club license at time of development.
* The official product description for ''Legacy'' Burn Out reads "He may not be the fastest, but Burn Out is determined to win the Speedia 500." The use of "he" is obviously an error, as Burn Out was explicitly referred to as female by the Hasbro team throughout the [[Hasbro Pulse]] livestream revealing her new figure, rather straightforwardly mirroring the original ''Timelines'' mech's female pilot.<ref>[[June 23]], [[2022]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-vNMsLdhXo&t=1468 Hasbro Pulse | Transformers Fanstream] on YouTube, with [[Ben MacCrae]], [[Isabella Weiss]], and [[Mark Maher]].</ref>

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Burnout''' (バーンアウト ''Bān'auto'')

==Gallery==
<gallery>
File:BotCon2015 BurnOut CardArt.jpg|''Timelines'' robot mode
</gallery>
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==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
*[http://tfsquareone.blogspot.com/2014/03/diaclone-black-skids-quickie.html Blog post] by TFSquareOne about ''Diaclone'' "Black Skids"

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[[Category:Female Transformers]]
[[Category:IDW (2019) Transformers]]
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[[Category:Mechanical suits]]
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{{factions|autobot}}
:''Reboost is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]] (via [[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]).''

[[File:TF-Masterpiece-MP-54-Reboost.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|For a guaranteed ratings smash, dig it up out of the trash; c'mon, just Reboost it!]]

Assigned to [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]], citadel guardian<ref>Written in Japanese as ''jōto shubi-in'' (城都守備員).</ref> '''Reboost''' (リブースト ''Ribūsuto'') is known for his outgoing attitude and many hobbies, including giving rides around town to humans, multispectrum landscape photography, and cy-fiber weaving. The only Autobot who doesn't seem to like him is [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]]. Unlike most Transformers, Reboost didn't scan his beloved Honda City R [[Alternate mode|vehicle mode]], but physically merged his life core with one, after being reduced to his [[personality component]] by [[Marlboor Dynamic|Marlboor]], which reads to the machine-loving little Autobot as a kind of bodyjacking. Reboost is quite familiar with that kind invasion of privacy, though. The story behind his coming to Earth is a tragic tale of love lost, but you wouldn't know it by talking to him.

Reboost can separate his consciousness into his autonomous [[Component X]] drone, allowing it to run interference using his [[holomatter]] avatars, but his most impressive power is his Boost Key special ability. Reboost can power up the life force of any organism, organic or metallic, granting them increased power and even regenerative properties. Its only downside is Reboost's own lack of medical knowledge: there's no guarantee he'll restore what needs restoring, limiting its potential uses.

==Fiction==
===''Masterpiece'' toy bios===
Reboost originally transformed into a surveillance satellite, and put his long-range reconnaissance talents to good use as a member of the [[Autobot Outer Planetary Support Squad]]. Eventually, however, Reboost successfully petitioned to join the Autobot defense force on the planet [[Engali]], a world known for its complicated octuple-gender marriage rituals. To cement the alliance between Engali and [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], it was decided that Reboost would marry [[Merai]], heir to one of Engali's most powerful families.

Although Reboost and Merai got on well, Reboost soon realized that the planet's ruling houses were after his unique abilities, and he became embroiled in a dispute between two feuding princes. When a group of traitorous Engalians attacked him, Reboost lost consciousness, and was transferred to an offworld research facility. Upon reawakening, Reboost found that he'd been disassembled, with his life core transferred into his Component X drone; worse, he discovered that his assailants had entered into an alliance with the sinister [[Marlboor Dynamic]] megacorporation, and that in his absence the other members of his marriage had married into other families. Upon discovering data regarding a red Honda City R from Earth, Reboost distracted his captor using [[holomatter]] avatars long enough for him to rebuild his Component X drone into an ambulatory unit, then smuggled himself through a [[warp gate]] to the Sol system and hitched a ride on an Earth-bound cargo ship.

After arriving on Earth, Reboost landed in a city under threat from the Decepticons. Fortunately, he was able to transplant his life core into a nearby Honda City R, reshaping the car into a new Autobot body for himself! Reborn in a stronger form, Reboost saw off the Decepticon invaders and became the city's new defender. {{storylink|Source:MP-54 Cybertron Citadel Guardian Reboost|''Masterpiece'' Reboost bio}}

==Toys==
===''Masterpiece''===
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Reboost''' ([[November 20]], [[2021]])}}</ul>
:*''ID number'': '''MP-54'''
:*''Accessories'': "Laser Gun", "Rocket Pod", "Double Laser Gauntlet", "[[Component X]]", "[[Holomatter]] Avatar"
{{toydesigner|[[Kōjin Ōno]] and [[Yūya Ōnishi]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' Reboost is a [[redeco]] and [[retool]]ing of the simultaneously-released [[Skids (G1)#Masterpiece|MP-53 Skids]], based on the red version of ''[[Diaclone]]'' No. 6 Honda City R. Reboost transforms into an officially-licensed 1st generation Honda City R vehicle mode, and he also features the same alt mode functionalities that other versions of the mold have such as opening front doors, an opening hood with engine detailing underneath, an openable rear trunk that can store some of his accessories, and a basic interior.

: For accessories, Reboost comes included with a "Laser Gun" that can be folded into a more compact form for storage in Reboost's vehicle mode rear trunk, a "Rocket Pod", and a "Double Laser Gauntlet" which shares tooling with Skids's twin electron blaster. Reboost also comes with [[Component X]], based on the fold-out motocompo included with real-life Honda subcompact cars. In addition, Reboost includes a [[Holomatter]] Avatar driver that can ride inside Reboost's interior in vehicle mode, which is a transparent version of the [[Spike Witwicky (G1)#MP47|Spike Witwicky]] figure included with [[Hound (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|Hound]].

:This tooling, complete with scooter, was redecoed into fellow ''Diaclone'' alumnus [[Crosscut (G1)#Masterpiece|Crosscut]], then further retooled to make [[Burn Out (Diaclone)#Masterpiece|Dia Burnout]].

::*[https://tf.takaratomy.co.jp/skids-reboost Official TakaraTomy website of ''Masterpiece'' Reboost]
::*[[Source:MP-54 Cybertron Citadel Guardian Reboost|''Masterpiece'' Reboost bio translation]]

==Notes==
[[File:DiacloneSkids.jpg|thumb|Team ''Diaclone'' Honda City. Back row: [[Crosscut (G1)|Crosscut]], [[Skids (G1)|Skids]], [[Burn Out (Diaclone)|Burn Out]]. Front row: ???, Reboost.]]
* Legendary ''Diaclone'' veteran and current ''Masterpiece'' designer [[Kōjin Ōno]] happened to own just such a red City R himself. It's not just anyone who gets to make their car into a Transformer. Twice!
* Reboost was created to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the '''Honda City R''' (ホンダ・シティ{{ruby|R|アール}}) in its iconic red color scheme, the car itself being significantly more famous than Skids in Japan.<ref>[https://www.soundwavesoblivion.com/techspecs/interviewkojinono.html Design interview] with Kōjin Ōno</ref>
* Reboost's ''Diaclone''-based red colouration often lends to confusion with the burnt orange form of [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] known as [[Screech (Generations)|Screech]], himself inspired by [[Mudflap (ROTF)|''Revenge of the Fallen'' Mudflap]]. Remember, Reboost has the blue head, hands, and feet while Screech has dark grey hands and feet.
* The Crosscut/Reboost tooling was considered for inclusion in the Generation 1 line long enough for the Reboost colouration to be used by Takara in a preliminary 1985 packaging mural.<ref>[https://twitter.com/tfwiki/status/1131664542986133504] Close-up look by @tfwiki on Twitter</ref> (Said mural featured other oddities, such as Skids in [[Burn Out (Diaclone)|the black deco]] as well as the distinctive prototype version of [[Superion (G1)#Notes|Superion]].)
* The Honda City R received its own bio in Reboost's ''Masterpiece'' release and even got top billing over Reboost himself!<ref>[https://tf.takaratomy.co.jp/wordpress/wp-content/themes/tf/img/products/tf_mp/item_tf_mp-54_manual.pdf ''Masterpiece'' Reboost instructions] at TakaraTomy's Transformers webpage</ref>

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Generation 1 Autobots]]
[[Category:Masterpiece]]

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Bluestreak (disambiguation)

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'''Bluestreak''' may or may not in fact be blue.

{{bigquote|I never met a Decepticon I didn't dislike.|Bluestreak|Generation 1 bio quote}}

==Major Bluestreaks==
<center><gallery widths="150px" heights="200px">
File:Anime Bluestreak boxart.jpg|[[Bluestreak (G1)|"Generation 1" Bluestreak]]<br><hr>''[[Bluestreak (G1)/toys|Toys]]''
</gallery></center>

==Full list of Bluestreaks==
{{disamb|y=[[1984]]|[[Bluestreak (G1)|Bluestreak]], the [[Autobot]] from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].}}
** For toys of this character, see [[Bluestreak (G1)/toys]].
{{disamb|y=[[2010]]|[[Bluestreak (Speed Stars)|Bluestreak]], the Autobot from the [[live-action film series]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2014]]|[[Bluestreak (Prime)|Bluestreak]], the Autobot from ''[[Transformers: Prime (franchise)|Prime]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2016]]|[[Bluestreak (SG)|Bluestreak]], the evil Autobot from ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2022]]|[[Bluestreak (ES)|Bluestreak]], the Autobot from ''[[Transformers: EarthSpark (franchise)|EarthSpark]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2024]]|[[Bluestreak (One)|Bluestreak]], the miner from ''[[Transformers One (franchise)|One]]''.}}

==Not to be confused with...==
{{disamb|y=2022|[[Silverstreak]], the Autobot who is definitely blue from the ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]]'' toyline via ''[[Buzzworthy Bumblebee]]''.}}

{{disambig}}

Jazz (disambiguation)

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{{disambig}}

[[Autobot]]s named '''Jazz''' are some of the coolest cats around.

==Major Jazzes==
<center><gallery widths="150px" heights="200px">
File:Jazz-g1-shout-dvds.jpg|[[Jazz (G1)|"Generation 1" Jazz]]<br><hr>''[[Jazz (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Marvel]]'' • ''[[Jazz (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Cartoon]]'' • ''[[Jazz (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|IDW (2005)]]'' • ''[[Jazz (G1)/toys|Toys]]''
File:StudioSeries-Jazz-art.jpg|[[Jazz (Movie)|"Movie" Jazz]]
File:Jazz AllSpark Almanac.jpg|[[Jazz (Animated)|''Animated'' Jazz]]
File:RID2015-jazzpromorender.jpg|[[Jazz (WFC)|"Aligned" Jazz]]
File:Jazz (One).jpg|[[Jazz (One)|''One'' Jazz]]
</gallery></center>

==Full list of Jazzes==
{{disamb|y=[[1984]]|[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]], the cool cat and [[Autobot]] [[Second-in-command|Sub-Commander]] from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].
**For this character in the [[Marvel Comics continuity]], see [[Jazz (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity]].
**For this character in the [[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]], see [[Jazz (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity]].
**For this character in the [[2005 IDW continuity]], see [[Jazz (G1)/2005 IDW continuity]].
**For toys of this character see [[Jazz (G1)/toys]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2007]]|[[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]], the Autobot hipster and First Lieutenant from the [[Transformers (2007 franchise)|2007 movie franchise]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2008]]|[[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]], the Autobot ninja-bot and [[Elite Guard]] member from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2008|[[Jazz (SG)|Jazz]], the evil Autobot from ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2010]]|[[Jazz (WFC)|Jazz]], the Autobot from the [[Aligned continuity family]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2014]]|[[Jazz (Cloud)|Jazz]], the Autobot from ''[[Transformers Cloud|Cloud]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2014|[[Smooth Jazz]], the Autobot keytarist from ''[[Knights of Unicron (franchise)|Knights of Unicron]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2014|[[Bubbles|Jazz Bird]], the Angry Bird transformed into a Jazz facsimile in ''[[Angry Birds Transformers (mobile game)|Angry Birds Transformers]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2019]]|[[Jazz (Cyberverse)|Jazz]], the Autobot from ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (franchise)|Cyberverse]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2022]]|[[Jazz (ES)|Jazz]], the Autobot from ''[[Transformers: EarthSpark (franchise)|EarthSpark]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2024]]|[[Jazz (One)|Jazz]], the Autobot from ''[[Transformers One (franchise)|One]].''}}

==Not to be confused with...==
*[[Jaze]]
*[[Jack (disambiguation)|Jack]]
*[[Munka Spanka]]

Springer (disambiguation)

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{{disambig}}

'''Springer''' is the definitive green [[Autobot]] [[Triple Changer]] [[Wreckers|Wrecker]].

{{bigquote|Strength is more than physical.|Generation 1 Springer bio quote}}

==Major Springers==
<center><gallery widths="250px" heights="200px">
File:Springer-decipherthedecepticon.jpg|[[Springer (G1)|"Generation 1" Springer]]<br><hr>''[[Springer (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|IDW (2005)]] • [[Springer (G1)/toys|Toys]]''
</gallery></center>

==Full list of Springers==
{{disamb|y=[[1986]]|[[Springer (G1)|Springer]], the [[Autobot]] [[Triple Changer]] and member of the [[Wreckers]] from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].
**For this character in [[2005 IDW continuity]], see [[Springer (G1)/2005 IDW continuity]]
**For toys & merchandise of this character, see [[Springer (G1)/toys]]}}
{{disamb|y=[[2009]]|[[Springer (Animated)|Springer]], the Autobot martial artist from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2009|[[Springer (ROTF)|Springer]], the Autobot military tilt-rotor plane from ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2010]]|[[Springer (WFC)|Springer]], the Autobot Wrecker from the [[Aligned continuity family]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2021]]|[[Springer (SG)|Springer]], the evil Autobot from ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]''.}}

==See also==
{{disamb|y=[[1929]]|[[Frank Springer]], artist for the [[Marvel Comics]] [[The Transformers: Headmasters|''Headmasters'' 4-issue miniseries]].}}

==Not to be confused with==
* [[Springarm]]
* [[Hopper]]
* [[Bulkhead (Energon)|Bulkhead]], who is an homage to G1 Springer and shares his Japanese name with him

Trailbreaker (disambiguation)

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{{disambig}}

'''Trailbreaker''' / '''Trailcutter''' is a good-humored [[Autobot]] who can project force fields and has a black truck alt-mode.

==Major Trailbreakers==
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File:Trailbreakerg1.jpg|[[Trailbreaker (G1)|"Generation 1" Trailbreaker]]<br><hr>''[[Trailbreaker (G1)/toys|Toys]]''
</gallery></center>

==Full list of Trailbreakers==
{{disamb|y=[[1984]]|[[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]], the [[Autobot]] from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]]. Sometimes, he and his toys are named Trailcutter.}}
**For toys of this character, see [[Trailbreaker (G1)/toys]].
{{disamb|y=[[2007]]|[[Trailbreaker (Movie)|Trailbreaker]], the Autobot from [[Transformers (2007 franchise)|the live-action movie franchise]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2010]]|[[Trailbreaker (Animated)|Trailbreaker]], the Autobot from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2013]]|[[Trailbreaker (Prime)|Trailbreaker]], the Autobot from ''[[Transformers: Prime (franchise)|Prime]]'', also known as Trailcutter.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2014]]|[[Trailbreaker (SG)|Trailbreaker]], the evil Autobot from ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)| Shattered Glass]]''.}}

Silverbolt (disambiguation)

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{{disambig}}

'''Silverbolt''' / '''Silver Bolt''' is a heroic flier.

==Major Silverbolts==
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File:G1 Silverbolt cartoon.jpg|[[Silverbolt (G1)|"Generation 1" Silverbolt]]
File:Silverboltfuzor.jpg|[[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|"Beast Era" Silverbolt]]
File:WFCSilverbolt.jpg|[[Silverbolt (WFC)|"Aligned Continuity" Silverbolt]]
</gallery></center>

==Full list of Silverbolts==
{{disamb|y=[[1985]]|[[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]], the [[Autobot]] [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbot]] leader from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]], who later became a [[Maximal]] and component of [[Magnaboss (BW)|Magnaboss]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[1997]]|[[Silverbolt (Magnaboss)|Silverbolt]], the [[Maximal]] eagle from ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[1998]]|[[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]], the Maximal [[Fuzor]] wolf/eagle from ''Beast Wars''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2003]]|[[Silver-Bot|Silverbolt]], the [[Go-Bot (species)|Go-Bot]] jet, later renamed "Silver-Bot", from ''[[Transformers: Go-Bots (franchise)|Go-Bots]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2003|Silverbolt, the Japanese ''Legends of the Microns'' name for ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' [[Blurr (Armada)|Blurr]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2007]]|[[Silverbolt (Universe)|Silverbolt]], the Autobot [[Micromaster]] [[Aerialbot (Universe)|Aerialbot]] from ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 franchise)|Universe]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2008]]|[[Silverbolt (TransTech)|Silverbolt]], the Autobot [[Transcendent Technomorph]] from ''[[Transformers: TransTech|TransTech]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2009]]|[[Silverbolt (ROTF)|Silverbolt]], the Autobot [[Aerialbot (ROTF)|Aerialbot]] futuristic supersonic jet from the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|''Revenge of the Fallen'' toyline]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2010]]|[[Silverbolt (WFC)|Silverbolt]], the grim Autobot flying commander from ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|War for Cybertron]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2010|[[Silverbolt Major]], the Autobot bonded to [[Delta Supreme]] from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2019]]|[[Silverbolt (Cyberverse)|Silverbolt]], the Autobot jet from ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (franchise)|Cyberverse]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2024]]|[[Silverbolt (One)|Silverbolt]], the [[Iacon 5000]] racer from ''[[Transformers One (franchise)|One]]''.}}

==Not to be confused with==
*[[Silverstreak]]
*[[Storm Jet (Energon)|Storm Jet]], the Autobot [[Air Team]] member and body of [[Superion Maximus]] from ''[[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon]]''.

Vortex (disambiguation)

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[[Transformer|'Bots]] named '''Vortex''' are usually deadly airborne [[Combaticon (disambiguation)|Combaticons]].

==Major Vortexes==
<center><gallery widths="250px" heights="200px">
File:MTMTE2003-Vortex.jpg|[[Vortex (G1)|"Generation 1" Vortex]]
File:FOC-HMS-render-Vortex-robot mode.jpg|[[Vortex (FOC)|"Aligned" Vortex]]
</gallery></center>

==Full list of Vortexes==
{{disamb|y=[[1986]]|[[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]], the [[Decepticon]] [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticon]] helicopter from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[1990]]|Vortex, the [[Italy|Italian]] market name for [[Fireshot]], the Decepticon [[Micromaster]] from [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[1992]]|Vortex, the Italian market name for [[Hurricane]], the [[Autobot]] [[Turbomaster]] from Generation 1.}}
{{disamb|y=[[1997]]|Vortex, the Italian market name for [[Drill Bit (BW)|Drill Bit]], the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] from [[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]] (at least in some [[cross-sell]]s).}}
{{disamb|y=[[2007]]|[[Vortex Drone]]s, the [[Drone|mindless minions]] of [[Mainframe (Movie)|Mainframe]] from ''[[Transformers: Rise of the Chevy Autobots|Rise of the Chevy Autobots]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2007|Vortex, an alternate name for [[Stormcloud (Energon)|Stormcloud]] ('''[[2004]]'''), the Decepticon from ''[[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2008]]|[[Vortex (Movie)|Vortex]], the Decepticon [[Combaticon (ROTF)|Combaticon]] helicopter from the [[live-action film series]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2012]]|[[Vortex (FOC)|Vortex]], the Decepticon [[Combaticon (WFC)|Combaticon]] helicopter from ''[[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|Fall of Cybertron]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2014]]|[[Vortex (Cloud)|Vortex]], the Decepticon [[Combaticon (Cloud)|Combaticon]] from ''[[Transformers Cloud|Cloud]]''.}}

==Media with "Vortex" in the title==
{{disamb|y=[[2013]]|"[[A Reliable Warrior!? Vortex the Lookout from Hell]]", a chapter of the [[Kre-O Transformers (comic)|''Kre-O'' online manga]].}}

==Not to be confused with...==
* [[Vorter]], the [[Decepticon]] [[Micromaster]] from ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]''.
* [[Vortexx]], the Saturday morning programming block that aired [[List of Prime episodes|episodes]] of ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]''.
* [[Vertex]], the [[Caminus (planet)|Camien]] actor from the [[2005 IDW continuity]].

{{disambig}}

Fireflight (disambiguation)

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{{disambig}}

'''Fireflight''' is something of a clumsy [[Autobot]] [[Aerialbot (disambiguation)|Aerialbot]].

==Major Fireflights==
<center><gallery widths="150px" heights="200px">
File:DW G1Fireflight.jpg|[[Fireflight (G1)|"Generation 1" Fireflight]]''
</gallery></center>

==Full list of Fireflights==
{{disamb|y=[[1985]]|[[Fireflight (G1)|Fireflight]] the [[Autobot]] [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbot]] Phantom II jet and limb to [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] from ''[[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2004]]|[[Fireflight (Universe Deluxe)|Fireflight]] the Autobot Cybertronic jet fighter from the 2001 ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]'' franchise via the 2003 ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 franchise)|Universe]]'' franchise.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2007]]|[[Fireflight (Universe Micromaster)|Fireflight]] the Autobot [[Micromaster]] Aerialbot "Flanker" fighter jet from the [[Unicron Trilogy]] also via ''Universe''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2009]]|[[Fireflight (ROTF)|Fireflight]] the Autobot A-10 "Thunderbolt" plane from [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' toyline]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2012]]|[[Fireflight (FOC)|Fireflight]] the Autobot jet from ''[[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|Fall of Cybertron]]'', also known as "Air Raid" due to [[trademark]] issues.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2024]]|[[Fireflight (One)|Fireflight]], the [[Iacon 5000]] racer from ''[[Transformers One (franchise)|One]]''.}}

==Not to be confused with…==
*[[Firefight]] the [[Mini-Con]] from the ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' [[Transformers (Armada PS2)|video game]].
*[[Windrazor (Energon)|Windrazor]], the Autobot [[Air Team]] jet from ''Energon'', whose Japanese name, "Firebolt" comes from G1 Fireflight.
*Firefist the [[Disappeared]] Transformer. Or indeed, Freeflight, another Disappeared Transformer.
*[[Firefly]] the human [[Cobra]] member.

Jetfire (disambiguation)

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{{disambig}}

Throughout the [[multiverse]], the name '''Jetfire''' invokes both power and speed... and accents.

{{bigquote|Among the mysteries of science lies the key to victory.|Generation 1 Jetfire bio quote}}

==Major Jetfires==
<center><gallery widths="150px" heights="200px">
File:TFU Jetfire.jpg|[[Jetfire (G1)|"Generation 1" Jetfire]]<br><hr>''[[Jetfire (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|IDW (2005)]] • [[Jetfire (G1)/toys|Toys]]''
File:Jetfireut.jpg|[[Jetfire (Armada)|"Unicron Trilogy" Jetfire]]
File:AnimatedJetfire.jpg|[[Jetfire (Animated)|''Animated'' Jetfire]]
File:ROTF Jetfire.jpg|[[Jetfire (Movie)|''Revenge of the Fallen'' Jetfire]]
File:WFCJetfire.jpg|[[Jetfire (WFC)|"Aligned Continuity" Jetfire]]
File:Jetfire-Cyberverse-Boulder-model.jpg|[[Jetfire (Cyberverse)|''Cyberverse'' Jetfire]]
</gallery></center>

==Full list of Jetfires==
{{disamb|y=[[1985]]|[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]], the (American-accented) [[Decepticon]] turned [[Autobot]] superjet from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]], who has also been known as "Skyfire".
**For this character in [[2005 IDW continuity]], see [[Jetfire (G1)/2005 IDW continuity]].
**For toys of this character, see [[Jetfire (G1)/toys]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2003]]|[[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]], the (sometimes [[Australia|Nebulonian-accented]]) Autobot second-in-command from the [[Unicron Trilogy]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2007]]|[[Jetfire (Movie)|Jetfire]], the geriatric (Yorkshire-accented) Decepticon turned Autobot Blackbird jet from the [[live-action film series]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2008]]|[[Jetfire (SG)|Jetfire]], the black and purple Autobot jet from ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2009]]|[[Jetfire (Animated)|Jetfire]], the (Russian-accented) Autobot Cybertronic jet and twin brother to [[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]] from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2010]]|[[Jetfire (WFC)|Jetfire]], the virtuous (ambiguously-accented) Autobot scientist from the [[Aligned continuity family]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2019]]|[[Jetfire (Cyberverse)|Jetfire]], the Autobot Air Guardian from ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (franchise)|Cyberverse]]''.}}

==See also==
{{disamb|y=[[2014]]|[[Dreadrock]], the sometimes-Autobot from the Generation 1 continuity family who is physically modeled on ''Cybertron'' Jetfire.}}

==Not to be be confused with...==
* [[Skyfire (disambiguation)|Skyfire]] (usually)
* [[Jetstorm (disambiguation)|Jetstorm]]
* [[Skyblast (disambiguation)|Skyblast]]
* [[R-Blade]], a big Jetfire fanboy who cosplays as Jetfire.
* [[Skysledge]]
* [[Meteorfire (Cyberverse)|Meteorfire]] or [[Meteorfire (G1)|Meteorfire]]

Superion (disambiguation)

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{{disambig}}

Across the [[multiverse]], '''Superion''' is almost always the [[combiner|combined]] form of the [[Autobot]] [[Aerialbot (disambiguation)|Aerialbots]].

==Major Superions==
<center><gallery widths="150px" heights="200px">
File:Superion studioox.jpg|[[Superion (G1)|"Generation 1" Superion]]
File:SuperionMaximusCatalogArt.jpg|[[Superion Maximus|''Energon'' Superion Maximus]]
</gallery></center>

==Full list of Superions==
{{disamb|y=[[1985]]|[[Superion (G1)|Superion]] the [[Autobot]] [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbot]] combiner from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2004]]|[[Superion Maximus]] the Autobot [[Air Team]] combiner from ''[[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2007]]|[[Superion (Universe)|Superion]] the Autobot [[Micromaster]] Aerialbot combiner from the [[Unicron Trilogy]] via ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 franchise)|Universe]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2009]]|[[Superion (ROTF)|Superion]] the Autobot combiner from ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2014]]|[[Superion (Prime)|Superion]], the Autobot combiner from the [[Aligned continuity family]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2015]]|[[Superion (SG)|Superion]], the evil Autobot combiner from ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2019]]|Superion, a form of [[Mighty Eagle]], the [[Autobird]] from ''[[Angry Birds Transformers (mobile game)|Angry Birds Transformers]]''.}}

==Not to be confused with==
*[[Sixwing]] the Autobot and [[Decepticon]] [[Micromaster]] combiner from Generation 1.
*[[Hyperion (disambiguation)|Hyperion]]

Starscream (disambiguation)

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{{disambig}}
{{faction|decepticon}}
Across the [[multiverse]], the name '''Starscream''' is synonymous with deceit, cunning, treachery, and a disproportionate amount of [[fan fiction]].

{{bigquote|You see, leadership is not something I fear '''losing''': it is something I dread you '''gaining'''. In the moments when my all-consuming destiny lies ahead of me, '''you''' remind me of the need to '''watch my back'''. And '''that''' is your importance, Starscream.|[[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]]|"[[Spotlight: Megatron]]"}}

==Major Starscreams==
<center><gallery widths="150px" heights="200px">
File:Starscreamg1.jpg|[[Starscream (G1)|"Generation 1" Starscream]]<br><hr>''[[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Marvel]] • [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Cartoon]] • [[Starscream (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|IDW (2005)]] • [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Toys]] • [[Starscream (G1)/merchandise|Merchandise]] • [[Starscream (G1)/gallery|Gallery]]''
File:BWIIStarscreamVideoBox.jpg|[[Starscream (BW)|''Beast Wars II'' Starscream]]
File:GHC Starscream Scream.jpg|[[Starscream (Armada)|"Unicron Trilogy" Starscream]]<br><hr>''[[Starscream (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Cartoon]] • [[Starscream (Armada)/toys|Toys]]
File:RevengeOfTheFallenStarscream.jpg|[[Starscream (Movie)|"Movie series" Starscream]]<br><hr>''[[Starscream (Movie)/games|Games]] • [[Starscream (Movie)/toys|Toys]]''
File:Starscreamanimated.jpg|[[Starscream (Animated)|''Animated'' Starscream]]<br><hr>''[[Starscream clone (Animated)|Starscream clones]]''
File:AlignedStarscreams.jpeg|[[Starscream (WFC)|"Aligned" Starscream]]<br><hr> ''[[Starscream (WFC)/toys|Toys]]''
File:CyberverseStarscream.jpg|[[Starscream (Cyberverse)|''Cyberverse'' Starscream]]
File:Starscream-earthspark-stock.jpg|[[Starscream (ES)|''EarthSpark'' Starscream]]
File:Starscream (One).jpeg|[[Starscream (One)|''One'' Starscream]]
File:Cyberworld_Ep6_LazyStarscream.jpg|[[Starscream (Cyberworld)|''Cyberworld'' Starscream]]
</gallery></center>

==Full list of Starscreams==
{{disamb|y=[[1984]]|[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], the [[Decepticon]] [[Air Commander]] F-15 jet from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].
** For this character in [[Marvel Comics continuity]], see [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity]]
** For this character in [[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]], see [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]. In [[A Prime Problem|one episode]], he had a [[Starscream clone (G1)|clone]].
** For this character in [[2005 IDW continuity]], see [[Starscream (G1)/2005 IDW continuity]]
** For toys of this character, see [[Starscream (G1)/toys]]}}
{{disamb|y=[[1998]]|[[Starscream (BW)|Starscream]], the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] jet from ''[[Beast Wars: Super Lifeform Transformers#Beast Wars II|Beast Wars II]]'', who was later reformatted into the Cyborg Beast, '''Hellscream'''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2002]]|[[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]], the Decepticon and briefly [[Autobot]] Cybertronic jet from the [[Unicron Trilogy continuity family|Unicron Trilogy]].
** For this character in the UT cartoon continuity, see [[Starscream (Armada)/Cartoon continuity]].
** For toys of this character, see [[Starscream (Armada)/toys]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2007]]|[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], the Decepticon F-22 from the [[live-action film series]].
** For this character in video games, see [[Starscream (Movie)/games]].
** For toys of this character, see [[Starscream (Movie)/toys]].}}
{{disamb|y=2007|[[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]], the Decepticon 22nd Century Harrier jet from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2008|[[Starscream (TransTech)|Starscream]], the [[Transcendent Technomorph]] jet from ''[[Transformers: TransTech|TransTech]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2008|The [[Starscream clone (Animated)|Starscream clones]] from ''Animated'', including:
** [[Dirge (Animated)|Dirge]], the "Greedy Starscream".
** [[Ramjet (Animated)|Ramjet]], the "Liar Starscream".
** [[Clone number 3370318|Clone #3370318]], the "Coward Starscream".
** [[Skywarp (Animated)|Skywarp]], the other "Coward Starscream".
** [[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]], the "Female Starscream".
** [[Clone number 2716057|Clone #2716057]], the "Sycophant Starscream".
** [[Sunstorm (Animated)|Sunstorm]], the other "Sycophant Starscream".
** [[Thrust (Animated)|Thrust]], the "Envious Starscream".
** [[Thundercracker (Animated)|Thundercracker]], the "Egomaniac Starscream".
** [[Starscream Clone Black Version]]}}
{{disamb|y=2008|[[Starscream (SG)|Starscream]], the heroic Decepticon jet from ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2009]]|[[Lugnut Supreme|Starscream Supreme]], the clones of Omega Supreme controlled by Starscream.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2010]]|[[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]], the Decepticon jet from the [[Aligned continuity family]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2011]]|[[Starscream (Kre-O)|Starscream]], the Decepticon brick-based being and [[Kreon]] from ''[[Kre-O]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2012]]|[[Starscream clone (Prime)|Starscream clones]] from ''Prime''}}
{{disamb|y=2012|[[Starscream Boomerang]], the Decepticon [[Arms Micron]] from ''Prime''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2013]]|[[Starscream (MW)|Starscream]], the Decepticon clone from the ''[[Transformers: Wings Universe|Wings Universe]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2013|[[Starscream drone]]s, the clone troops from the ''Wings Universe''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2014]]|[[Starscream (Cloud)|Starscream]], the Decepticon from ''[[Transformers Cloud|Cloud]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2014|[[Starscream (KOU)|Starscream]], the Decepticon band manager from ''[[Knights of Unicron (band)|Knights of Unicron]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2014]]|[[Starscream (Battle Masters)|Starscream]], the Decepticon from ''[[Battle Masters]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2015]]|[[Starscream (SG Animated)|Starscream]], the heroic Decepticon from ''[[Shattered Glass Animated]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2018]]|[[Starscream (Cyberverse)|Starscream]], the Decepticon from ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (franchise)|Cyberverse]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2022]]|[[Starscream (ES)|Starscream]], the Decepticon from ''[[Transformers: EarthSpark (franchise)|EarthSpark]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2024]]|[[Starscream (One)|Starscream]], the Decepticon from ''[[Transformers One (franchise)|One]].''}}
{{disamb|y=[[2025]]|[[Starscream (Cyberworld)|Starscream]], the Decepticon from ''[[Transformers: Cyberworld (franchise)|Cyberworld]].''}}

==Media with "Starscream" in the title==
{{disamb|y=[[1986]]|"[[Starscream's Brigade]]", the second season episode of the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 cartoon]].}}
{{disamb|y=1986|"[[Starscream's Ghost]]", the third season episode of the Generation 1 cartoon.}}
{{disamb|y=1998|"[[The End of Starscream]]", the episode of the ''Beast Wars II'' cartoon.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2004]]|"[[Starscream the Mysterious Mercenary]]", the episode of the [[Transformers: Energon (cartoon)|''Energon'' cartoon]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2005]]|"[[Starscream (episode)|Starscream]]", the episode of the [[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|''Cybertron'' animated series]].}}
{{disamb|y=2008|"[[Letters page#Titan Transformers Magazine|Star Screams]]", the [[letters page]] of [[Titan Books|Titan]]'s [[Transformers (Titan Magazine)|''Transformers'' comic]] during the time [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] was answering fan mail.}}
{{disamb|y=2008|''[[Transformers: The Reign of Starscream]]'', the IDW comic miniseries in the [[live-action film series]].}}
{{disamb|y=2008|"[[Starscream Heckles Megatron]]", an ''Animated'' web short.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2010]]|"The Kingdom of Starscream", the comic story in [[Transformers Comic issue 2.17|''Transformers Comic'' 2.17]] from Titan.}}
{{disamb|y=2011|''[[Transformers: Starscream]]'', a ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (franchise)|Dark of the Moon]]'' comic about the film character.}}
{{disamb|y=2018|"[[Starscream: The Movie (comic)|Starscream: The Movie]]", the 2018 Annual issue of the ''[[Optimus Prime (comic)|Optimus Prime]]'' IDW comic series, about [[Starscream: The Movie (film)|the titular film]].}}
{{disamb|y=2021|"[[I Have No Mouth And I Must Starscream]]", the 2021 ''[[Transformers (2019 comic)|Transformers]]'' one-shot.}}

==See also==
{{disamb|y=[[2016]]|The nameless "[[Starscream Combiner]]" from the Generation 1 continuity family.}}
{{disamb|y=2016|[[Starscream's ship]] from the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|2015 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon]].}}

==Not be confused with...==
* [[Blitzwing (BB)|Blitzwing]], the red and white jet-former from the 2018 ''[[Bumblebee (franchise)|Bumblebee]]'' franchise.
* [[Dark Scream]], the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] flying squirrel from the 2001 ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]'' franchise.
* [[Nightscream (disambiguation)|Nightscream]]
* [[Star Saber (disambiguation)|Star Saber]]

Scavenger (disambiguation)

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{{disambig}}

Throughout the [[multiverse]], there are many 'bots named '''Scavenger'''. They usually turn into construction vehicles. Or ants.

==Major Scavengers==
<center><gallery widths="250px" heights="200px">
File:ScavengerG1.jpg|[[Scavenger (G1)|"Generation 1" Scavenger]]<br><hr>''[[Scavenger (G1)/toys|Toys]]''
File:ArmScavengerDWCalendar.jpg|[[Scavenger (Armada)|''Armada'' Scavenger]]
File:ROTF Wheelbot concept art.jpg|[[Scavenger (ROTF)|''Revenge of the Fallen'' Scavenger]]
</gallery></center>

==Full list of Scavengers==
{{disamb|y=[[1985]]|[[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]] the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]] power shovel from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[1998]]|[[Scavenger (BW)|Scavenger]] the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] [[Transmetal]] fire ant from ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2000]]|[[Scavenger (BM)|Scavenger]] the [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicon]] [[Demolition Drone]] from ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Machines]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2002]]|[[Scavenger (RID)|Scavenger]] the [[Autobot]] Cybertronic-power-shovel-like thing from the 2001 ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]'' franchise.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2003]]|[[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] the Autobot front-end loader from ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2003|[[Scavenger (Micromaster)|Scavenger]] the [[Decepticon]] [[Micromaster]] power shovel from ''[[The Transformers: Micromaster|Micromaster]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2004]]|[[Scavenger (Universe Micromaster)|Scavenger]] the [[Constructicon (Universe)|Constructicon]] Micromaster power shovel from the [[Unicron Trilogy]] via the 2003 ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 franchise)|Universe]]'' franchise.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2005]]|Scavenger, the Japanese ''Super Link'' name for ''[[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'' [[Steamhammer (Energon)|Steamhammer]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2006]]|[[Scavenger (Universe Ultra)|Scavenger]] the [[Constructicon (RID)|Constructicon]] power shovel from the 2001 ''Robots in Disguise'' franchise also via ''Universe''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2008]]|[[Scavenger (TransTech)|Scavenger]] the [[Transcendent Technomorph]] from ''[[Transformers: TransTech|TransTech]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2009]]|[[Scavenger (ROTF)|Scavenger]] the red earth-mover shovel crane [[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicon]] from ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2009|[[Scavenger (Universe 2008)|Scavenger]] the Decepticon [[Mini-Con]] wolf from ''Armada'' via the 2008 ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' toyline.}}
{{disamb|y=2009|[[Scavenger (SG)|Scavenger]] the heroic Decepticon medic from ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2012]]|The [[Scavengers (G1)|Scavengers]]: [[Krok (G1)|Krok]] (leader), [[Crankcase (G1)|Crankcase]], [[Flywheels]], [[Misfire (G1)|Misfire]], [[Spinister (G1)|Spinister]], and [[Fulcrum]]; a group from the [[2005 IDW continuity]].
{{disamb|y=[[2014]]|[[Scavenger (Prime)|Scavenger]], the Decepticon [[Constructicon (WFC)|Constructicon]] from the [[Aligned continuity family]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2016]]|The [[Scavengers (RID)|Scavengers]]: [[Clawtrap]] (leader), [[Paralon (RID)|Paralon]], [[Thermidor]], and [[Scatterspike (RID)|Scatterspike]]; a group from the 2015 ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]'' franchise.}}
{{disamb|y=2016|Scavenger, the Japanese ''Adventure'' name of ''Robots in Disguise'' [[Paralon (RID)|Paralon]].}}
{{disamb|y=2016|[[Scavenger (BWSG)|Scavenger]], the heroic Predacon from ''Shattered Glass''.}}

==Media with "Scavenger" in the title==
*"Scavengers", the two-part arc in ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye]]'' #7, "[[Rules of Disengagement (issue)|Rules of Disengagement]]", and #8, "[[Scavengers (Part 2): Who's Afraid of the DJD?|Who's Afraid of the DJD?]]" that introduced the Scavenger group.}}

==See also==
*The [[Scavenger's ship|unnamed ship]] used by [[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] in ''Armada''.
*The ''[[Weak Anthropic Principle]]'', the ship used by the [[Scavengers (G1)|Scavenger]]s in 2005 IDW continuity.
*The [[Thermidor's ship|unnamed ship]] used by the [[Scavengers (RID)|Scavenger]]s in the 2015 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon.

==Not to be confused with...==
*[[Grimlock (RID 2001)|Grimlock]], the [[Autobot]] steam shovel and limb-unit to [[Landfill (RID)|Landfill]] from the 2001 ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]'' franchise.
*[[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]], the ''other'' Predacon fire ant from ''Beast Wars''.
*[[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]], the ''other'' (sometimes) red earth-mover shovel-crane Constructicon from ''Revenge of the Fallen''.

Blurr (disambiguation)

2025-11-25T21:28:37Z

Broadside: Reverted edits by S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) to last revision by Saix

True to the name, '''Blurrs''' across the [[multiverse]] are fast racecars!

==Major Blurrs==
<center><gallery widths="150px" heights="200px">
File:IDW-Windblade-V1-Blurr-Stone.jpg|[[Blurr (G1)|"Generation 1" Blurr]]<br><hr>''[[Blurr (G1)/toys|Toys]]''
File:Armada-Blurr-art.jpg|[[Blurr (Armada)|''Armada'' Blurr]]<br><hr>[[Blurr (Cybertron)|''Cybertron'' Blurr]]
File:Blurranimated.jpg|[[Blurr (Animated)|''Animated'' Blurr]]
File:RID-Blurr-Hasbro-art.jpg|[[Blurr (Prime)|"Aligned" Blurr]]
File:Blurr-Cyberverse-Boulder-model.jpg|[[Blurr (Cyberverse)|''Cyberverse'' Blurr]]
</gallery></center>

==Full list of Blurrs==
{{disamb|y=[[1986]]|[[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]], the [[Autobot]] [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertronic]] hovercar from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].}}
** For toys of this character, see [[Blurr (G1)/toys]].
{{disamb|y=[[2002]]|[[Blurr (Armada)|Blurr]], the Autobot Cybertronic racecar from ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2005]]|[[Blurr (Cybertron)|Blurr]], the continuity headache from ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2008]]|[[Blurr (Animated)|Blurr]], the Autobot futuristic racecar and fast-talker from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2008|[[Blurr (SG)|Blurr]], the evil Autobot Cybertronic racecar from ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2011]]|[[Blurr (Prime)|Blurr]], the [[Velocitron]]ian racecar from the [[Aligned continuity family]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2016]]|[[Blurr (SG Animated)|Blurr]], the evil Autobot from ''[[Shattered Glass Animated]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2016|[[Blurr (TransTech)|Blurr]], the [[Transcendent Technomorph]] from ''[[Transformers: TransTech|TransTech]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2018]]|[[Blurr (Cyberverse)|Blurr]], the Velocitronian Autobot from ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (franchise)|Cyberverse]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2019]]|Blurr, one of the many forms of [[Red (AB)|Red]] from ''[[Angry Birds Transformers (mobile game)|Angry Birds Transformers]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2024]]|[[Blurr (One)|Blurr]], the [[Iacon 5000]] racer from ''[[Transformers One (franchise)|One]]''.}}

==Media with "Blurr" in the title==
{{disamb|y=2008|''[[Spotlight: Blurr]]'', a comic from [[IDW Publishing]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2015]]|"[[The Return of Blurr]]", the live-action script reading at [[BotCon 2015]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2017]]|"[[Blurred]]", an episode of the 2015 ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|Robots in Disguise]]'' cartoon.}}

==Not to be confused with...==
* [[Blur Studio]]

{{disambig}}

Talk:Liege Maximo

2025-11-21T18:12:24Z

Broadside: /* Scaling back the snark in his intro */

Umm.... I dunno but if I recall Unicron is eviller than the leige max, making this guy a little short of ultimate evil.
: Everyone who reads comics knows that there's, at the very least, a few dozen ultimate evils all existing simultaneously. That's why the phrasing doesn't bother me much, since I'm used to such nonsensical hyperbole, but I'll see how I can reword it.--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:24, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I think an ish in parenthesies on the end of ultimate with a link to unicron might be good, but that's just me.
: Thing is, there's an ultimate evil beyond Unicron. Furman's only ever gotten a chance to hint at it, but it exists. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
::Is unicron really all that evil? He just embodies the need for destruction, he was created to do just that. I do not think he is inherently evil, I think that others give him a label that doesn't completely adhere to his job. As for the methods that he uses to execute his job, that's another story. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 13:12, 18 September 2010 (EDT)

==Alignment==
Does ''Alignment'' count as official fiction, or is it just over-glorified fanfiction? [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 22:02, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
: It's fanfiction. The Ultimate Guide, written by Furman, reinforces this. It should get a trivia mention at the very least, though. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:10, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

::On the other hand Ichikawa's "The History of Galvatron II" mentions Alignment, and convieniently forgets to mention that it's a Fanfic, Galvatron II's fleet of battleships might be a reference to his Fleet of War-Worlds in Alignment.
:::We're pretty sure it is a reference. That doesn't really change the story's canonical status. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:19, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

:::It mentions alignment- but IIRC it also places it in Japanese g2- meaning cartoon continuity, not comic-continuity. An analogous set of events. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:20, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Galvatron II's bio is entirely just a description of the character from the Marvel Comics and his specific circumstances, even coming with a green Creation Matrix. Laser Magnus' bio is what connects GII to the fleet of warworlds, which are what Magnus comes out of the Matrix to destroy. But this Magnus apparently had the Matrix before and was dead, both which contradict the Marvel stuff. So, yeah, it's a murky area. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:29, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

== Adding from Exiles, could use advice... ==
Just checking. The whole begining of this article is very G1 focused. I would like to add more info on the Aligned version of the Leige here, but as the begining is supposed to be continuity neutral that would necessitate moving the G2 specific stuff down to that fiction section... and I'm not sure what to replace it with. Other than "That Liege Maximo is one bad ancient robot." Everything else I can think to say about him is only specific to G2 OR Aligned but not necissarily both. Thoughts? --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 11:05, 12 October 2011 (EDT)
:"...wait until I've finished Exiles and I'll happily help?" -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:13, 12 October 2011 (EDT)
::The first paragraph of the intro is vaguely continuity-neutral enough. It's only the mention of the Hub and the Liege being the ruler of the Cybertronian Emprie that needs to be moved. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 12:00, 12 October 2011 (EDT)
:::AND the part about Megs and the Cons desending from him. AND The part about being created as the ultimate evil counterforce. That Doesn't leave much there.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 12:44, 12 October 2011 (EDT)::
::::Given the apparent separation of the new Aligned continuity from the previous multiverse, I'm afraid it's starting to look like there may be need to split the Thirteeners articles in two, and create Liege Maximo (Aligned) or something. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 15:55, 12 October 2011 (EDT)
:::::I've felt the same trying to add in conflicting Exiles info to very Multiverse focused pages. I just didn't want to be the one to suggest it.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 16:04, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

Should someone cut and put the image of who is likely Maximo from the One Shall Rise Thirteen pic? If we're putting up the bearded Thirteen as Prime A3, then wouldn't the big, horned bot on the right with what looks like a beehive for the back of his head be Maximo? Just sayin'- [[User:TFfan1|TFfan1]] 6:29 26 october 2011 (EDT)

== IDW Liege Maximo ==

The following two passages:
:The death of Nexus Prime ultimately inspired most of the Thirteen, including Liege Maximo, to leave [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. He resided on another planet, the location of which was later discovered by [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Shockwave]].
-and-
:As with the other Primes, Shockwave sent one of his [[Regenesis]] ores to Maximo's hiding place. {{storylink|The Crucible}}
Seem to have been invalidated by the revelations in {{storylink|Rubicon}}. Most relevant here is that Vigilem and Liege Maximo never founded a colony. I get that this is hard to square with 13 ores seeded by Shockwave, but I'm hesitant to assume ''every'' Prime had a world, given we seem to be getting evidence that's not true.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 21:07, 29 March 2017 (EDT)
: I'm pretty sure that Shockwave sent the ores to where he ''thought'' they had gone, so there's still some wiggle room. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 23:09, 29 March 2017 (EDT)
:: Poor storytelling coordination aside, I think Grum's right. The easy fix is saying that Shockwave ''thought'' he was right. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 23:29, 29 March 2017 (EDT)

== Scaling back the snark in his intro==
I think the snark in his intro is at "11", which is a lot for a character that is meant to be taken fairly seriously. I'd certainly keep the uncertainty and "is this true?" vibe, being he's the Prime of Lies. Being that his fictional footprint might be increased soon and new people might want to look him up, maybe we tone the snark down? [[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] ([[User talk:Nu-Priest|talk]]) 05:44, 21 November 2025 (EST)
: It was previously unsnarked this summer and then immediately ununsnarked. I don't have a firm opinion on it, but if you don't want to reinvent the wheel, you could grab the previous unsnarky version: [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Liege_Maximo&oldid=1845039] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 08:39, 21 November 2025 (EST)
::Look, the current version's both funnt and perfectly accurate. If he does anything in EarthSpark we can de-snark it then. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 13:12, 21 November 2025 (EST)

Nexus Prime

2025-11-09T18:32:58Z

Broadside: /* Notes */

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[[Image:NexusPrimeflankedbyotherPrimes.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Insert batteries where?!]]
One of the [[Thirteen|original Thirteen Primes]], the wild and unpredictable '''Nexus Prime''' is the first [[combiner]]. He is the bearer of the immensely consequential [[Artifacts of the Primes|artifact]] known as the [[Enigma of Combination]] and the lord of [[Rarified Energon]]—the stuff of [[spark]]s themselves—granting him a variety of mysterious powers above and beyond many of his siblings. Nexus' go-to problem solving method of scattering himself to the four winds has often proved the cause of, and solution to, all of his and his resultant sub-selves' problems. He also has a habit of hoarding the legendary blades forged by his sister [[Solus Prime]] whether they belong to him or not, considering himself the safest pair(s) of hands. How much these antics relate to his reputation as the prankster of the Thirteen is up for interpretation. His fragments include:

*[[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]] (A-10 Thunderbolt II, left leg)— a deep space explorer with the ability to project [[Force field|forcefields]]
*[[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]] (anti-aircraft tank, right arm)— a disaffected soldier with the power to forge [[Energon weapon|energon weapons]] unaided
*[[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]] (fighter jet, left arm)— a mystical guardian with preternatural healing abilities
*[[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]] (helicopter, right leg)— a credulous refugee with the power to manipulate sparks
*[[Heatwave (Timelines)|Heatwave]] (armored personnel carrier, torso)— a cheerful technician with ability to "speak" machinery to life

Unlike many of his descendants, Nexus Prime is highly mutable and not beholden to a single set of components. In [[Aligned continuity family|a different universe]], Nexus instead split himself into:

*[[Clocker (Prime)|Clocker]]— a [[Velocitron]]ian racer
*[[Mainspring]]— a Velocitronian mechanic
*[[Chaindrive]]— an Autobot soldier
*[[Pinion]]— a [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] trader
*[[Cannonspring]]— a lost Cybertronian

Oh yeah, and he is responsible for [[Shroud|splintering]] himself and [[Multiversal singularity|his brethren]] across the [[Multiverse|multiverse]]. That was a pretty significant thing that happened.

He is sometimes, unfortunately, known as '''[[#Naming issues|Nexus Maximus]]'''.

==Fiction==
===Fun Publications===
When the Thirteen visited ancient Earth of some universal streams, Nexus Prime used a [[holomatter]] avatar which inspired the myth of the goddess Hera, trusted confidant of Zeus, who was [[Prima]]'s holomatter avatar. [[Vector Prime]] shared many fond memories with his siblings, including Nexus, and noted that there were universal streams where Nexus was known as Nexus [[Convoy (rank)|Convoy]].

Nexus Prime, Vector Prime, [[Alpha Trion]], and [[Solus Prime]] made the decision to split Nexus Prime into five pieces to conceal the location of the five fragments of Prima's [[Star Saber (Thirteen)|Star Saber]] sword, a weapon that could destroy star systems, from their evil brother [[The Fallen|Megatronus]]. Using the blade of the Star Saber, Nexus Prime was cut into five other robots: [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]], [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]], [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]], [[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]], and [[Heatwave (Timelines)|Heatwave]], who were subsequently scattered across the [[multiverse]] and lost to the ages. {{Storylink|Ask Vector Prime}}

But the skills of Nexus Prime are needed once again, and now that his components have been called together by Primus, he searches the multiverse for the components to the Star Saber sword, armed with his masterful control over all uses of [[energon]], and ability to manipulate [[spark]]s.

[[Image:Clubcombinercarving.jpg|200px|thumb|They drew his limbs arranged incorrectly!]]
The [[Caretaker]] told its components that Nexus Prime was "designated a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]", like the other original thirteen. {{storylink|Crossing Over: Part 6}}

When Landquake, Breakaway, Topspin, and Heatwave made an attempt to use their powers to revive the recently assassinated [[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]], they were transported—along with a revived Skyfall—to the presence of [[Primus]] in the "afterlife". He gave them a choice of living (or staying dead) as they were, or being reborn as what they were meant to be. After the gestalt members made their deliberations, Primus declared, "The choice is made. Arise, Nexus Prime," as they started the transformation. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 5}}

[[Image:OmegaDoomNexusPrimeGalvatron.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Behold the fingers my toy totally doesn't have!]]

Nexus Prime [[Reformatting|reformatted]] the dead Megatron into the powerful Galvatron, investing in him some of the power of the Thirteen. The two exited the Decepticon stronghold to counter [[Omega Doom]]'s offensive, but they were forced to split up when Doom launched a starkilling missile into Cybertron's sun. Though his Decepticon components protested leaving the battle, Nexus Prime knew saving this Cybertron's star system was of more immediate importance. Regardless, he was too late in stopping the missile, and its energies began to destroy the sun. Nexus began to concentrate.

Nexus returned to Cybertron triumphant, having used his own powers to negate those of the starkilling missile, and he made short work of Omega Doom, saving Galvatron in the nick of time. Though there was more on this Cybertron to do, such as finishing [[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]] once and for all, Nexus Prime knew he had to depart this universe. After saying goodbye to [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]], he entered a portal with [[Aquarius (SG)|Aquarius]], trusting fate to bring him to the correct destination. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 6}}

Nexus Prime and Aquarius traveled from world to world, but without finding what Nexus Prime was looking for. Eventually, the pair arrived on [[Primax 509.28 Epsilon|one universe]]'s [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], where they were attacked by a group of smaller Decepticons who thought they had an easy mark. Though Nexus Prime was unwilling to use his more supernatural powers, lest he draw unwanted attention towards himself, he was still able to easily beat their attackers. As they left the group of dazed Decepticons behind, Nexus Prime and Aquarius wandered through a Cybertronian marketplace. Finally, Nexus Prime began to drop hints about what [[Star Saber (Thirteen)|mysterious artifact]] he was looking for; he hadn't yet clued Aquarius in. Ultimately, Nexus Prime spotted a shipping container with an [[Elite Guard]] symbol on it. This unlocked a memory in the ancient Transformer, allowing him to determine their next destination. He and Aquarius vanished through another portal to yet another dimension. {{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 1}}

After several unspecified adventures, Aquarius ended up in Axiom Nexus and took charge of a shard of the Star Saber from a [[Chifumi Takahashi|courier]]. In exchange, he promised to help her get home. {{storylink|Transformers I.Q.#issue 48|Transformers I.Q. last issue review}} To their surprise, however, they ended up on the Cybertron of Aquarius's home reality. It soon became obvious that Nexus had transported them there in order to receive the [[Origin Matrix]], the fifth and final piece, from [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Mammoth]]. {{storylink|Transformers I.Q.#issue 54|Transformers I.Q. trivia bonus #12}} {{storylink|Falling into Place}}

[[File:AnotherLight-choppitychop.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|"...''Transformers: Prime'' will never make a dozen episodes about finding you."]]

While waiting for Nexus Prime's arrival, Ultra Mammoth confronted his negative counterpart [[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]], who was wielding the [[Terminus Blade]] on Earth. After the Origin Matrix inadvertently supercharged the Blade, Nexus Prime's components arrived in time to combine the Matrix with the other elements to reform the Star Saber. Prima's great sword severed the evil Magnus's arm, and Nexus Prime banished the insane Autobot to a dimension suitable for his temperament. With the Star Saber and Terminus Blade in hand, Nexus Prime set about undoing what damage he could from Magnus's abuse of the weapon. {{storylink|Restoration}}

In multidimensional space, Nexus Prime found he could not undo the destruction of universes already caused by the Terminus Blade. Aware that his actions would not be without consequences to himself, Nexus Prime brought the Saber and Blade together. He strengthened the existing walls between dimensions to prevent further inter-universe decay. He bolstered dying universes that had not yet succumbed to Ultra Magnus, hoping they might still survive. In the process, however, the strengthened walls could no longer support the fluidity of multiversal singularities. Nexus Prime felt himself and his fellow Thirteen splintering, existing as independent beings in each reality they manifested in, instead of thirteen singularities. {{storylink|Out of the One, Many}} In [[Primax -408.24 Epsilon|one universe]], Nexus Prime's individual components reconstituted themselves as a group of low-ranking Decepticons known as Heatwave, [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skytop]], [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landfall]], [[Breakaway (Classics)|Quakebreak]], and [[Topspin (Classics)|Spinaway]]. Although they retained their ability to combine, this "new" Nexus Prime was significantly less coordinated than his predecessor, and his components didn't believe the stories that they had once been some kind of multiversal guardian. {{storylink|Coalescence}}
{{--}}

===Aligned continuity family===
====''The Covenant of Primus''====
[[Image:5NexusPrime.jpg|thumb|200px]]
Nexus Prime was the seventh member of the Thirteen created by Primus with the purpose of fighting against and defeating Unicron. As the first and greatest combiner, he could separate himself into multiple independent components and combine them at will. Nexus, like his siblings who were created between [[Prima]] and [[The Fallen|Megatronus]], was balanced between the personalities of Primus and Unicron.

Nexus was part of the '''Free Agents''', which included [[Maccadam|Alchemist Prime]], [[Solus Prime]], and the [[Thirteenth Prime]]: capable of both direct battle and subtle attacks. As the Primes trained with each other, Solus created the [[Cyber Caliber]] for him, which could split into smaller swords. Nexus would follow Solus into the portal leading to Unicron, entering Unicron's body to harm him from within. All of Nexus' components struggled with the overpowering corruption of Unicron's Dark Energon, but the words of ''Thirteen'', "All Are One", would help him keep fighting. Eventually, Unicron was defeated and Nexus returned to Cybertron with his siblings.

As the [[Age of Primes]] began, Nexus devoted his time to his creative interests, having no interest in the politics of Prima's group. During the [[War of the Primes]], when the Primes came together to vote on whether [[Liege Maximo]]'s [[Farm]] should be shut down or not, Nexus voted with Prima to shut it down. Sometime later, Nexus would join Prima, [[Vector Prime]], [[Alpha Trion]], [[Micronus Prime]], and ''Thirteen'' in finding Megatronus after the death of Solus Prime. Nexus would take his Cyber Caliber when all the Primes visited the Farm, which led to infighting among the Primes.

Nexus Prime would survive the War of the Primes, but the memory of his existence would fade away into myth and legend. Several stellar cycles later, the five components of Nexus Prime -- [[Cannonspring]], [[Mainspring]], [[Pinion]], [[Clocker (Prime)|Clocker]], and [[Chaindrive]] -- would briefly reunite as Nexus Prime, giving [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] his sword. {{storylink|Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|The Covenant of Primus}}

====Aligned novels====
Known as the "Wizard of Forms", Nexus Prime was all about change and mutability. When standing alone, his body seemed to shift or be overlaid with ever-changing forms and combinations he might take. Powerful, proud, and frequently unpredictable even to those who knew him best, Nexus Prime was full of good humor and a bit of a prankster at times. He was the "mad experimenter" of the Thirteen and is fascinated by changing states of matter and the creation of new elements in solar forges. This shared affinity for creation led [[Solus Prime]], the "Maker" of the Thirteen, to have special feelings for Nexus, which in turn seemed to have earned him the enmity of [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] and [[Liege Maximo]].

Nexus Prime was last seen by Alpha Trion before the [[Age of Wrath]], taking custody of many of Solus Prime's creations, including the Cyber Caliber, the [[Chaos Edge]], the [[Blades of Time]], and the [[Omni Saber]].
The Omni Saber was a part of Nexus Prime's body, and he secreted the Cyber Caliber away inside his form as well before splitting himself into five component robots: Clocker, Mainspring, Chaindrive, Pinion, and Cannonspring.
Each component held a fraction of the Cyber Caliber within themselves and was also charged with guarding one of the Blades of Time. Only by assembling the Blades of Time and using them to open a gateway to the hollow [[Realm of the Primes|realm]] of Vector Prime could the Cyber Caliber be reassembled. The [[Star Saber (Thirteen)|Star Saber]] was believed to have been taken by Nexus Prime but was not in his possession during the [[Great Exodus]].

The sub-selves of Nexus Prime scattered throughout the colony worlds of Cybertron. They remained apart for so long that each forgot their true nature, and no longer recalled being part of Nexus Prime or the Thirteen. All but Cannonspring even forgot their duty to safeguard the Blades of Time and the Cyber Caliber. Clocker and Mainspring wound up on [[Velocitron]], where they remained slightly out of place as mechanics instead of the speed-driven racers who ruled the planet. Pinion ended up on [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]], assimilating well into the culture (perhaps because the Junkion way of constantly reusing materials appealed to the subconscious preference of Nexus Prime for change). Chaindrive found himself on Cybertron, and eventually became part of the Autobot resistance movement alongside [[Ultra Magnus (WFC)|Ultra Magnus]] and Alpha Trion after the Ark's departure. Cannonspring ended up in a crippled ship in Cybertron's deep orbit, until the prospector [[Axer (Prime)|Axer]] triggered some latent transwarp energy on board, transporting them both to Junkion. Cannonspring remained inert for over a million years inside his ship after it crashed.

Nexus Prime began to come together once more thanks to the Matrix, which directed Optimus Prime through space to the various colony worlds. As the Ark came to Velocitron, Optimus discovered two pieces of the Blades of Time and fatefully agreed to bring Clocker and Mainspring on the next leg of his journey when they asked. On Junkion, Prime encountered Pinion while recovering a third Blade, and the fourth was retrieved from Axer. Meanwhile, back on Cybertron, Alpha Trion and [[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]] concocted a method of sending a scout after Optimus Prime by keying residual Space Bridge energy to the signature of the Matrix. Instinctively, Alpha Trion decided Chaindrive was the proper choice, and he brought with him the fifth Blade. Once all five Blades and the other four components assembled on Junkion, the combined energy was enough to rekindle the inert Cannonspring, bringing him back to full functioning and allowing them to reassemble into Nexus Prime.

Displaying the ability to hold more weapons than an armory, Nexus Prime pulled forth both his Omni Saber and the Chaos Edge, and also passed the Cyber Caliber over to Optimus Prime. Although he refused to kill anyone, Nexus Prime essentially held off the Decepticons and the [[Star Seeker]]s for a time, on intimidation alone. As [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] and [[Thundertron]] left to pursue other goals, Nexus Prime reclaimed his swords and gave some last words of encouragement to Optimus Prime before splitting himself once more. Reduced to a new set of five protoforms, Nexus Prime vanished into space and the annals of history once more. {{storylink|Transformers: Exiles|Exiles}}

====''Prime'' cartoon====
According to legend, at the beginning of time, [[Unicron]] and [[Primus]] battled each other for eons, with neither side remaining victorious for long. Till, that is, Primus created the [[Thirteen]]. These Thirteen defeated Unicron and cast him into space. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 1}}
{{--}}

===2005 IDW continuity===
{{first|[[Earthfall Part 3: The Mind Bomb|''Robots in Disguise'' #30]] (mentioned); [[The Crucible|#34]] (depicted)}}

[[File:OriginMyths-ThePrimes.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Love child of Silverbolt and Wheeljack.]]

In the primitive age that followed the departure of the [[Knights of Cybertron]], Nexus Prime joined his [[Thirteen Tribes|tribe]] with those of [[Solus Prime|Solus]], [[Vector Prime|Vector]], [[Maccadam|Alchemist Prime]] and [[Alpha Trion]] in [[Crystal City]]. Like the other four, he knew [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Onyx Prime]] but he himself was disgusted by Onyx's bestial horde and took time to become acclimated to them. He had a brother in the east who ruled his own kingdom. {{storylink|Origin Myths}} Nexus was the first recorded owner of the mysterious artifact known as the [[Enigma of Combination]]. He evidently chose to keep the artifact's true nature as a physical object a secret, with most believing the "Enigma" part of the name referred to a puzzle that had to be solved to allow for [[Combiner|combination]]. {{storylink|The Crucible}}

One evening, Vector Prime barged in on a meeting to announce the approach of Onyx and [[Liege Maximo|a crony]], as well as the news that [[Septimus Prime]] had perished and that [[The Fallen|the conqueror]] of [[Protihex|his lands]] was on the warpath across Cybertron. Despite Solus and Onyx's dismissal, Nexus felt Septimus had still been a Prime such as they were before he asked who Onyx's minion was, the newcomer introducing himself as Liege Maximo, who had also lost his lands to the army of [[Darklands|Darklanders]]. At Alpha Trion's urging, the Primes allowed Onyx and Liege Maximo into their alliance. When the time of battle came, Nexus wished to join his followers in combat but remained behind at Solus's urging. After the [[Titan (group)|Titans]] arrived, Onyx leapt into the fray only to recognize the enemy commander as his old friend Megatronus. Nexus was shocked at this development, before the eight Primes joined forces. In the aftermath, [[Arcee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Arcee]] expressed the belief that the alliance would attract Nexus's brother to him. {{storylink|Origin Myths}} Unbeknownst to the Primes, the 'bot they believed to be Onyx Prime was in fact a time-travelling Shockwave from ten million years in the future who had engineered the entire conflict to bring the Primes together as history recorded. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

[[File:RID34 enigma of combination.jpg|thumb|left|250px|My Enigma don't go to none if they're lowborn, hun.]]

Power turned Nexus into something of a git really, believing that all non-Primes should serve their Prime masters. {{storylink|The Crucible}} Among the members of his court was a [[Titan Master]] by the name of [[Infinitus]], who wholeheartedly believed in his master's elitist approach to social engineering. {{storylink|White Heat}} The Thirteen Primes ruled their planet peacefully until Liege Maximo and Megatronus conspired together, goaded on by Shockwave's machinations, and started the [[First Cybertronian Civil War]] via the murder of Solus Prime. While Megatronus fled Cybertron, Nexus and [[Quintus Prime|Quintus]] managed to restrain Maximo, before trying and exiling him aboard [[Vigilem]]. {{storylink|Heavy}} {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

Nexus allied himself with "Onyx Prime" during the war and used his [[Enigma of Combination]] to create the [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]]: humanoid Transformers combined with beasts. {{storylink|The Crucible}} [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]] found the whole concept disgusting and single-handedly slaughtered the Headmasters before coming after Nexus himself. Nexus sneered that Galvatron was a "lowborn" that couldn't kill him, and Galvatron responded by doing just that. The realization that a Prime could be killed by someone other than another Prime caused most of the remaining Primes to flee the planet. {{storylink|The Crucible}}

He was survived by Infinitus, who vowed to keep his master's teachings alive and eventually apply them to all of Cybertron–especially the parts about forced servitude to the Primes. {{storylink|White Heat}} Nexus's [[Titan (group)|Titan]], [[Devisiun (Titan)|Devisiun]], also survived the war and colonized [[Devisiun (planet)|a planet]] in honor of his master which the younger Shockwave eventually seeded with [[Ore-5]]. {{storylink|Ceremony|The Lost Colonies of Cybertron}}
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===''Prime Wars Trilogy'' cartoons===
[[Victorion]] claimed to only follow the will of Nexus Prime, though she admitted he hadn't given her any new guidance in some time. {{storylink|Desperate Actions}}

===''Power of the Primes'' marketing material===
Nexus Prime's [[Spark]] passed into the possession of one of the twelve [[Prime Master]]s; hidden within a suit of decoy armor, they safeguarded the abilities of the Primes until the present day. By uniting with a larger Transformer, the Prime Master could channel the powers of Nexus's Spark and grant them unique abilities that varied with each new partner. {{storylink|Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes}}

{{note|For a list of every permutation of Nexus Prime's abilities, see [[Prime Master/Combinations|this link]].}}

===''Cyberverse'' cartoon===
Nexus Prime was one of the [[Thirteen]]. {{storylink|Dweller In The Depths (Cyberverse)|Dweller In The Depths}} {{storylink|Silent Strike}} {{storylink|The Other One}}

Nexus Prime eventually passed, being buried with all of his worldly possessions on another planet. Following the [[Quintesson]] invasion of Cybertron, [[Grimlock (Cyberverse)|Grimlock]] and [[Arcee (Cyberverse)|Arcee]] grave-robbed him. {{storylink|The Immobilizers}}

===2019 IDW continuity===
[[File:SeaOfRustI-NexusPrime.jpg|thumb]]
Nexus Prime, the holder of the Enigma of Combination, was one of the Thirteen Primes. {{storylink|Lord of Misrule: Sea of Rust I|Sea of Rust I}} It was said that Primus had created Nexus as a being of controlled chaos, introducing necessary change into Cybertronian society to prevent stagnation. {{storylink|Lord of Misrule: Enigmatic|Enigmatic}}

===''One'' film===
{{voiceactor|[[Manuel Pérez]] (Latin-American Spanish)}}
One of the original Thirteen Primes, Nexus Prime ruled alongside his fellows until the [[Quintesson]]s invaded Cybertron. When the Primes were directed by [[Sentinel Prime (One)|Sentinel]] to a meeting of Quintesson generals, they found it an ambush. Despite being caught off-guard, the Primes managed to turn the tide of the battle before Sentinel betrayed them, stabbing Nexus and using his weapon to slay several of the Primes. Fifty cycles later, the spirits of the Primes appeared before Orion Pax when he was bestowed the [[Matrix of Leadership]] and became [[Optimus Prime (One)|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|Transformers One (film)|One}}
{{--}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
;'''Nexus Prime Core'''
[[File:Earth Wars Nexus Prime Core.jpg|thumb|upright=0.6]]

Nexus Prime's [[Prime Master#Transformers: Earth Wars|Prime Core]] (his "heart" as one of the primordial [[Thirteen|Thirteen Primes]]) fell to Earth under mysterious circumstances along with those of his siblings to become a hotly contested resource in the [[Earth Wars (conflict)|Earth Wars]]. {{storylink|Power of the Primes (Earth Wars)|Power of the Primes}}

*'''Effect:''' Additional damage to enemy [[Transformers: Earth Wars#Combiners|Combiner]]s. If the [[Transformers: Earth Wars#Standard Bots|Bot]] this Core is affixed to is deployed before your Combiner phase, your Combiner has increased attack power and damage negation.

[https://tfew.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/4733780017183-Prime-Cores-Bot Nexus Prime Core at Transformers: Earth Wars Wiki]

{{chargamestub|{{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars}}}}

===''Transformers Roleplaying Game''===
Nexus Prime was a stalwart ally of Prima and the first combiner. {{storylink|Transformers One Sourcebook}} At the dawn of history, Nexus Prime received the [[Enigma of Combination]]. Some historical texts instead remembered him instead as "Nexus Maximus", {{storylink|The Enigma of Combination}} his original name, {{storylink|Transformers One Sourcebook}} while some ancient humans knew him as {{w|Juno (mythology)|Juno}}. {{storylink|The Enigma of Combination}}

==Toys==
===''Cybertron'', ''Classics'', and ''Timelines''===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-NexusMaximus.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Remember to use the instructions! You don't want to put something in the wrong hole.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|[[Skyfall (Cybertron)#Cybertron|Skyfall]] ([[2005]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|[[Landquake (Timelines)#Timelines|Landquake]] ([[2006]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|[[Breakaway (Classics)#Classics|Breakaway]] ([[2007]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|[[Topspin (Classics)#Classics|Topspin]] ([[2008]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-sd|[[Heatwave (Timelines)#Timelines|Heatwave]] ([[2009]])}}</ul>
{{toydesigner|[[Dan Khanna]] (concept artist)}}

:Nexus Maximus is composed of his five team members, with Heatwave forming his central body component. His limbs' [[energon weapon]]s form his hands and feet. Conisisting of [[redeco]]s of components of the ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' combiners, Nexus Maximus, just like [[Superion Maximus]], [[Bruticus Maximus (Energon)|Bruticus Maximus]], and [[Constructicon Maximus]], features universal connection points for the limbs, allowing many different combinations and even swapping of limbs from different teams, in a fashion very similar to ''[[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]]'''s "[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)#1986 (Scramble City and Transformers 2010)|Scramble City]]"-type combiner teams. Unlike the other Maximus-style combiners, Nexus Maximus features four unique molds for his limb pieces, rather than two redecoed to fit both the legs and arms, due to him using both [[Destruction Team]] and [[Air Team]] molds. Whereas the individual components' robot modes still feature the same head sculpts as the ''Energon'' figures they're redecoed from, the combined form of Nexus Maximus himself was given an entirely new, unique head sculpt, which is an amalgamation of visual elements of its components' own heads: Skyfall's eyes, Landquake's chin, Breakaway's forehead, Topspin's "mohawk", and Heatwave's "ears".

:Nexus Maximus is the combined form of the first five [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] freebie toys, which were released over the span of five years.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/TFCCNexusMaximus/nexusmaximus.htm More information on Nexus Maximus at TFU.info]''
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===''Power of the Primes''===
[[File:TF-PotP-SDCC-2018-Throne-of-the-Primes-Nexus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
<ul class = "iconlist>{{Bp-m1|'''Throne of the Primes''' (Leader Class, [[2018]])}}</ul>
:*''Takara ID number'': '''PP-43'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': [[January 26]], [[2019]]
{{toydesigner|[[Marcelo Matere]] (throne designer, packaging artist)}}

:''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' Nexus Prime is a retool of the [[Maccadam#Power of the Primes|Alchemist Prime]]/[[Submarauder (G1)#Power of the Primes|Submarauder]] inner robot with a new [[Prime Master]] sigil/backpack, packaged in the [[Throne of the Primes#Toys|Throne of the Primes]] set.

:This toy has identical features to the other Prime Masters in the line. The [[Titan Master]]-like robot can store inside decoy armor or ride [[Size class|Legends Class]] figures in vehicle mode, and is fully compatible with toys from the previous ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' line. The "Power Swap" gimmick means its [[spark]] form can plug onto any decoy armor's weapon form (which has a [[5 mm post]] to be held by larger figures), Deluxe Class figures' chest armor, Voyager Class figures' bucklers, Leader Class figures' [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#Power of the Primes|Matrix]] (in place of their Matrix core), [[combiner]]s' torsos (in place of their [[Enigma of Combination]]), or the included [[Scepter of Sparks]] or [[Halo of Primus]] accessories. With the power of [[you]]r imagination, this bestows the Prime Master's [[Prime Master/Combinations|unique power]] on the larger figure.

:While Nexus is a retool of Alchemist Prime (gang-molded with his included Submarauder decoy armor), it is unknown what gang-molded decoy armor Nexus would have had as a hypothetical mass-retail Prime Master.

:This set debuted at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2018, and was later sold via [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] online. It was also available at general retail in Taiwan.
{{--}}

==Notes==
[[File:NexusPrimeHead.jpg|thumb|upright=1.75|]]
*It's hard to say what toyline Nexus Prime is from, as Fun Publications' output hopped imprints twice over the course of his components' release. This was almost certainly an intentional move for the sake of the multiverse schtick, as Fun Pubs' contemporary convention-exclusive releases sported their in-house ''[[Transformers Timelines (franchise)|Timelines]]'' branding from the jump. To date, the only other instance of this phenomenon has been the ''[[Prime Wars Trilogy|Prime Wars]]''/''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (franchise)|War for Cybertron]]'' changeover straddler [[Orthia]].
*Nexus Prime's backstory bears a noticeable similarity to that of {{w|Voltron}}.
*Fun Publications stated at [[BotCon 2009]] that the official limb arrangement for Nexus Prime is that of the configuration in his instructions. With Landquake as the right arm, Breakaway as the left arm, Topspin as the right leg, and Skyfall as the left leg. Why he was depicted in a different arrangement in the caverns around the [[Caretaker]], no one knows.
*Ironically, despite being labeled as an Autobot, a majority of the Transformers that make up Nexus Prime are Decepticons, albeit ones that are [[Landquake (Timelines)|disenchanted by the Decepticon cause]], [[Topspin (Classics)|misled by deceitful leaders]], or [[Heatwave (Timelines)|a completely different kind of Decepticon]].
*Nexus Prime's TFCC magazine profile mentions that he "no longer has an [[alternate mode]]", due to being split apart for so long and then reassembled.
*With his components released one at a time, one per year, he's the combiner toy it took the longest to complete in an official capacity.
*Like other members of the Thirteen, Nexus was originally established as a [[multiversal singularity]] who existed as one being across all space and time, but that is [[Shroud|no longer the case]].
*Nexus Prime's head design has been subject to some confusion. The design—an amalgamation of traits of his components' heads—is meant to evoke a superhero cowl (similiar to [[Batman]]), with his head covered in armor but his mouth exposed. However, the deco used for his mouth is almost completely black, making it difficult to see; as such, ''The Covenant of Primus'' interpreted his mouth area as a visor, his chin as a [[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]]-esque [[mouthplate]], and his actual eyes as forehead detail. It also interpreted the "fins" on the sides of his head, which were originally part of said "cowl", into Optimus Prime-esque antennae. Most subsequent incarnations have followed the Covenant interpretation; as a result of this game of telephone, his big screen debut in ''[[Transformers One (film)|Transformers One]]'' bears almost no resemblance to his original design (save for the upper-torso, which is nearly 1-1).
*[[Volcanicus (Cyberverse)|''Cyberverse'' Volcanicus]]'s head is based on the Covenant's Nexus Prime design, albeit with a mouth and chin-guard resembling Nexus's original design.

===Naming issues===
[[Fun Publications]] originally submitted the possible names '''Prime Nexus''' and '''Maximus Prime''' to [[Hasbro]] for the character (reflecting the fact that the character is a Prime in-fiction), Hasbro rejected these, apparently because they were feeling protective towards the use of the name Prime (despite previously having approved the fiction that named him a Prime, written by their own [[Forest Lee]]). Hasbro suggested merging the non-Prime segments of the two names instead... oops.

Apparently neither Hasbro nor Fun Publications did their research when naming Nexus Maximus, because there is another product which shares that name and was, as of [[May 24]], [[2009]], the top Google result (websites relating to this character have since surpassed it). While it is definitely a "toy", it is most assuredly not intended for ages 5 and up. According to the Fun Publications Club panel at [[BotCon 2009]], Hasbro did a search for the name with "safe search" on, causing them to not see... well, [http://www.edenfantasys.com/dildos/double-ended-dildos/nexus-maximus this]. '''NOTE: DEFINITELY NOT SAFE FOR WORK.'''

When he finally appeared in fiction, his name was, in fact, given as Nexus Prime, which makes much better sense story-wise but deprives us of many cheap and easy joke opportunities. [[Pete Sinclair]] posted an image on the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] forums of [[Aquarius (SG)|Aquarius]] blaming the "Nexus Maximus" name on a bad translation by [[Beta Maxx (RID)|Beta Maxx]]<ref>[https://tilallaremine.wordpress.com/2011/05/31/nexus-prime/ Definitely, definitely, *not* Nexus Maximus. Timelines Nexus Prime!] from 'Til All Are Mine blog. </ref>.

(The debate is still on as to whether Nexus Maximus constitutes a choking hazard.)

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Nexus Prime''' (ネクサスプライム ''Nekusasu Puraimu'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Jīng Tiān Wěi''' (经天纬)

==Gallery==
<gallery>
NexusPrimeDanKhannaConcept.jpg|Original ''Timelines'' concept art
NexusPrime-TFOnecardcropped.jpg|''One'' film
</gallery>

==References==
{{reflist}}

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Void Rivals issue 24

2025-11-07T20:11:20Z

Broadside: /* Synopsis */

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|prev=Void Rivals issue 23
|next=Void Rivals issue 25
|image=Void Rivals 24 Cover A.jpg
|caption=Looks like the Void Rivals are back in chains.
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|publisher=[[Image Comics]]<br>[[Skybound Entertainment]]
|date=[[November 5]], [[2025]]
|coverdate=October 2025
|written by=[[Robert Kirkman]]
|art by=[[Conor Hughes]]
|colors by=[[Patricio Delpeche]]
|letters by=[[Rus Wooton]]
|editor=[[Ben Abernathy]]
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'''The Agorrians and Zertonians must face the fallout of almost achieving Unity, unaware that greater threats loom on the horizon.'''

==Synopsis==
In the depths of the [[Sacred Ring]], [[Beta (G1)|Zerta Trion]] has brought [[Solila]] before her, entrancing her so that she cannot use any of her newly-gifted powers to escape. The ancient Cybertronian castigates her disciple for preventing [[Unity]], as it was the only way to prevent the [[Quintesson]] superweapon [[Goliant]] from wreaking havoc on the universe. Despite Zerta's assurances that the Sacred Ring would survive, Solila no longer believes her, and so Zerta sends her away.

On [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintessa]], [[Pythona]], [[Vipria]], and [[Bola]] prepare to attack [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]], who insists he means them no harm. Pythona reluctantly agrees to not attack if Wheelie tells her everything he can about the [[Transformer]]s and their military capabilities. Upon learning of the civil war between the [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s and how [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] is on the brink of collapse due to lack of [[Energon]], Pythona realizes that the Cybertronians are far less of a threat to [[Cobra-La]] than initially believed. As she contemplates their next move, the [[Royal Guard]] notices the [[Quintesson Cruiser]]s that arrived with them are beginning to leave. Pythona orders the Guards back to their [[Leviathan (Cobra-La)|Leviathan]] while she attempts to sneak aboard one of the cruisers to gather more intelligence.

In [[Agorria]], with the [[Agorrian]]s nearly finished rebuilding thanks to the power supplied by their new Energon refinery, [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] and [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] prepare to leave. [[Darak]] thanks them for their help, and in gratitude, shows them to [[Autobot frigate|Hot Rod's shuttle]], now retrofitted with two Agorrian launchers to help them escape the event horizon and stockpiled with Energon. The Autobots thank Darak for his generosity and depart. Director [[Elander]], now freed and seeing the dangers that come from Unity, comes to fetch Darak for his father. In his chambers, Minister [[Dulin]] contacts [[Zalilak]], who apologizes for letting himself be led astray to bring about Unity. The two resolve that their alliance may actually be stronger now that they no longer have to conceal the truth from their peoples, as all now know the danger. Zalilak asks Dulin for his assistance in rebuilding [[Zertonia]], having heard of Agorria's own success, but after a moment's hesitation, Dulin tells his counterpart that there is still much to be done, and that he worries allocating resources for Zertonia will make them look weak. Zalilak acquiesces.

In the [[Divider Chamber]] of the [[Skuxxoid Asteroid Base]], [[Skuxxoid]] Beta has recovered enough for his next dividing session, and is enthusiastic to continue, claiming to have come around on the idea, much to the delight of the robot operating the machine. He even suggests that his constitution is strong enough that he could be divided seven ways. As the Divider's blades get closer, he grabs them with his teeth and cuts himself free, launching at the controller and tearing him apart. Skuxxoid Beta then looks to the pile of newly-growing Skuxxoids on the ground, ready to lead his newborn and very confused group of Skuxxoid Liberators in revolution against [[Skuxxoid Alpha]]!

After her confrontation with Zerta, Solila has been sent to the [[Temple of Zerta's Light]] in Zertonia, imprisoned under the order of Mistress [[Vill]], who tells Solila that she is a disgrace. Solila tries to use her command of the Sacred Ring to break free, but finds that her abilities have been stripped from her. As Vill leaves Solila to contemplate her fate, Solila realizes that she's still wearing her [[Handroid]]...

Darak meets with Dulin, who commends his son on his bravery during the recent conflict with Zertonia, believing that Darak may prove a worthy successor to him after all. Darak hesitates, frightened of the burden of leadership, but this just assures Dulin that he truly is worthy, having had those same fears. Darak is happy to finally have Dulin for an ally after all their tumult, believing that they will be able to face whatever their future holds together… unaware that a fleet of Quintesson Cruisers is approaching the Sacred Ring!

==Featured characters==
Characters in ''italic text'' appear only in flashbacks.<br>
{{Featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] (5)
* [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] (8)
* [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] (9)

|h2=[[Cobra-La]]|c2=
* [[Pythona]] (4)
* [[Vipria]] (6)
* [[Bola]] (7)

|h4=[[Agorrian]]s|c4=
* [[Darak]] (10)
* [[Elander]] (12)
* [[Dulin]] (13)

|h5=[[Zertonian]]s|c5=
* [[Solila]] (1)
* [[Zalilak]] (14)
* [[Vill]] (18)

|h6=Others|c6=
* [[Beta (G1)|Zerta Trion]] (2)
* Blue [[Handroid]] (3)
* Red Handroid (11)
* Divider Robot (15)
* [[Skuxxoid]] Beta (16)
* New Skuxxoids (17)
}}

==Quotes==

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
* Solila gained the ability to manipulate the Sacred Ring from Zerta in [[Void Rivals issue 18|issue #18]].
* Wheelie tells Pythona about the history of the Transformers' war and how it has led to their depleted resources, an aspect that was first revealed by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] in [[Void Rivals issue 4|issue #4]] and has played a background role across all the Energon Universe titles.
* The Agorrians built their Energon well in [[Void Rivals issue 17|issue #17]], based on a design from Springer from [[Void Rivals issue 11|issue #11]]. The Zertonians recieved their own designs from Darak that same issue.
* Zalilak became a follower of Zerta in [[Void Rivals issue 13|issue #13]], leading him to launch the attack on Agorria in [[Void Rivals issue 21|issue #21]].

===Other notes===
* Energon Experience: Presented by Skybound Executive Editor Ben Abernathy
** '''Character Spotlight:''' Skuxxoid
** '''Prison Pals:''' Mistress Vill once helped free Solila from imprisonment back in [[Void Rivals issue 5|Void Rivals #5]]. Now, they've come full circle.
** '''Creator Q&A:''' Ben asks Conor Hughes his three favorite things to draw for Void Rivals. Conor answers Skuxxoid, Proximus, and Dulin.
* Originally solicited to be released October 22, this issue arrived two weeks late.

===Covers (5)===
* '''Cover A:''' Solila imprisoned by Mistress Vill, by [[Lorenzo De Felici]].
* '''Cover B:''' Springer and Hot Rod, by [[Conor Hughes]].
* '''Cover C (1:10 Copy Incentive):''' Connecting cover, by [[Martín Morazzo]] and Patricio Delpeche.
* '''Cover D (1:25 Copy Incentive):''' Pythona, by [[Dani]] and [[Brad Simpson]].
* '''Cover E (1:50 Copy Incentive):''' Springer design, by [[E. J. Su]].

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File:Void Rivals 24 Cover C.jpg|
File:Void Rivals 24 Cover D.jpg|
File:Void Rivals 24 Cover E.jpg|
</gallery>

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===Reprints===
* '''''Void Rivals Volume 4: First Chosen''''' <small>([[December 9]], [[2025]]) ISBN 1534329536 / ISBN 978-1534329539 </small>
** Collects issues #19-24.
** Trade paperback format.

<gallery>
File:Void Rivals V4.jpg|'''''Volume 4: First Chosen''''' - cover art by Lorenzo De Felici
</gallery>

==External links==

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Void Rivals issues]]

File:NexusPrimeHead.jpg

2025-11-07T00:24:07Z

Broadside:

Nexus Prime head design evolution.

Top row, left to right Concept art by [[Dan Khanna]] from [[Pete Sinclair]]'s [https://x.com/ptsinclair06/status/1834128991923380496 Twitter]; headsculpt prototype from [[Fun Publications]]' [https://www.deviantart.com/funpubcomics/art/Nexus-Prime-head-sculpt-251174644 Deviantart]; photo of the final toy by [[User:ItsWalky]].<br>
Bottom row, left to right: Edit of the toy photo showing how the toy's mouth area was misinterpreted as a visor; art from ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus]]'' by [[Ken Christiansen]], based on the misinterpretation; screencap from ''[[Transformers One (film)|Transformers One]]''.

{{FunPublicationsconcept}}

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File:NexusPrimeHead.jpg

2025-11-07T00:19:12Z

Broadside: Broadside uploaded a new version of "File:NexusPrimeHead.jpg": Better demonstration of the design lineage

{{Onecap|Nexus Prime head design evolution.
(Left to right) Concept art by [[Dan Khanna]] from [[Pete Sinclair]]'s [https://x.com/ptsinclair06/status/1834128991923380496 twitter]. Headsculpt from [[Fun Publications]]' [https://www.deviantart.com/funpubcomics/art/Nexus-Prime-head-sculpt-251174644 Deviantart]. }}
{{FunPublicationsconcept}}

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Nexus Prime

2025-11-06T20:19:26Z

Broadside: /* Notes */

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{{disambig3|Nexus}}
[[Image:NexusPrimeflankedbyotherPrimes.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Insert batteries where?!]]
One of the [[Thirteen|original Thirteen Primes]], the wild and unpredictable '''Nexus Prime''' is the first [[combiner]]. He is the bearer of the immensely consequential [[Artifacts of the Primes|artifact]] known as the [[Enigma of Combination]] and the lord of [[Rarified Energon]]—the stuff of [[spark]]s themselves—granting him a variety of mysterious powers above and beyond many of his siblings. Nexus' go-to problem solving method of scattering himself to the four winds has often proved the cause of, and solution to, all of his and his resultant sub-selves' problems. He also has a habit of hoarding the legendary blades forged by his sister [[Solus Prime]] whether they belong to him or not, considering himself the safest pair(s) of hands. How much these antics relate to his reputation as the prankster of the Thirteen is up for interpretation. His fragments include:

*[[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]] (A-10 Thunderbolt II, left leg)— a deep space explorer with the ability to project [[Force field|forcefields]]
*[[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]] (anti-aircraft tank, right arm)— a disaffected soldier with the power to forge [[Energon weapon|energon weapons]] unaided
*[[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]] (fighter jet, left arm)— a mystical guardian with preternatural healing abilities
*[[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]] (helicopter, right leg)— a credulous refugee with the power to manipulate sparks
*[[Heatwave (Timelines)|Heatwave]] (armored personnel carrier, torso)— a cheerful technician with ability to "speak" machinery to life

Unlike many of his descendants, Nexus Prime is highly mutable and not beholden to a single set of components. In [[Aligned continuity family|a different universe]], Nexus instead split himself into:

*[[Clocker (Prime)|Clocker]]— a [[Velocitron]]ian racer
*[[Mainspring]]— a Velocitronian mechanic
*[[Chaindrive]]— an Autobot soldier
*[[Pinion]]— a [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] trader
*[[Cannonspring]]— a lost Cybertronian

Oh yeah, and he is responsible for [[Shroud|splintering]] himself and [[Multiversal singularity|his brethren]] across the [[Multiverse|multiverse]]. That was a pretty significant thing that happened.

He is sometimes, unfortunately, known as '''[[#Naming issues|Nexus Maximus]]'''.

==Fiction==
===Fun Publications===
When the Thirteen visited ancient Earth of some universal streams, Nexus Prime used a [[holomatter]] avatar which inspired the myth of the goddess Hera, trusted confidant of Zeus, who was [[Prima]]'s holomatter avatar. [[Vector Prime]] shared many fond memories with his siblings, including Nexus, and noted that there were universal streams where Nexus was known as Nexus [[Convoy (rank)|Convoy]].

Nexus Prime, Vector Prime, [[Alpha Trion]], and [[Solus Prime]] made the decision to split Nexus Prime into five pieces to conceal the location of the five fragments of Prima's [[Star Saber (Thirteen)|Star Saber]] sword, a weapon that could destroy star systems, from their evil brother [[The Fallen|Megatronus]]. Using the blade of the Star Saber, Nexus Prime was cut into five other robots: [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]], [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]], [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]], [[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]], and [[Heatwave (Timelines)|Heatwave]], who were subsequently scattered across the [[multiverse]] and lost to the ages. {{Storylink|Ask Vector Prime}}

But the skills of Nexus Prime are needed once again, and now that his components have been called together by Primus, he searches the multiverse for the components to the Star Saber sword, armed with his masterful control over all uses of [[energon]], and ability to manipulate [[spark]]s.

[[Image:Clubcombinercarving.jpg|200px|thumb|They drew his limbs arranged incorrectly!]]
The [[Caretaker]] told its components that Nexus Prime was "designated a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]", like the other original thirteen. {{storylink|Crossing Over: Part 6}}

When Landquake, Breakaway, Topspin, and Heatwave made an attempt to use their powers to revive the recently assassinated [[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]], they were transported—along with a revived Skyfall—to the presence of [[Primus]] in the "afterlife". He gave them a choice of living (or staying dead) as they were, or being reborn as what they were meant to be. After the gestalt members made their deliberations, Primus declared, "The choice is made. Arise, Nexus Prime," as they started the transformation. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 5}}

[[Image:OmegaDoomNexusPrimeGalvatron.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Behold the fingers my toy totally doesn't have!]]

Nexus Prime [[Reformatting|reformatted]] the dead Megatron into the powerful Galvatron, investing in him some of the power of the Thirteen. The two exited the Decepticon stronghold to counter [[Omega Doom]]'s offensive, but they were forced to split up when Doom launched a starkilling missile into Cybertron's sun. Though his Decepticon components protested leaving the battle, Nexus Prime knew saving this Cybertron's star system was of more immediate importance. Regardless, he was too late in stopping the missile, and its energies began to destroy the sun. Nexus began to concentrate.

Nexus returned to Cybertron triumphant, having used his own powers to negate those of the starkilling missile, and he made short work of Omega Doom, saving Galvatron in the nick of time. Though there was more on this Cybertron to do, such as finishing [[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]] once and for all, Nexus Prime knew he had to depart this universe. After saying goodbye to [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]], he entered a portal with [[Aquarius (SG)|Aquarius]], trusting fate to bring him to the correct destination. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 6}}

Nexus Prime and Aquarius traveled from world to world, but without finding what Nexus Prime was looking for. Eventually, the pair arrived on [[Primax 509.28 Epsilon|one universe]]'s [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], where they were attacked by a group of smaller Decepticons who thought they had an easy mark. Though Nexus Prime was unwilling to use his more supernatural powers, lest he draw unwanted attention towards himself, he was still able to easily beat their attackers. As they left the group of dazed Decepticons behind, Nexus Prime and Aquarius wandered through a Cybertronian marketplace. Finally, Nexus Prime began to drop hints about what [[Star Saber (Thirteen)|mysterious artifact]] he was looking for; he hadn't yet clued Aquarius in. Ultimately, Nexus Prime spotted a shipping container with an [[Elite Guard]] symbol on it. This unlocked a memory in the ancient Transformer, allowing him to determine their next destination. He and Aquarius vanished through another portal to yet another dimension. {{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 1}}

After several unspecified adventures, Aquarius ended up in Axiom Nexus and took charge of a shard of the Star Saber from a [[Chifumi Takahashi|courier]]. In exchange, he promised to help her get home. {{storylink|Transformers I.Q.#issue 48|Transformers I.Q. last issue review}} To their surprise, however, they ended up on the Cybertron of Aquarius's home reality. It soon became obvious that Nexus had transported them there in order to receive the [[Origin Matrix]], the fifth and final piece, from [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Mammoth]]. {{storylink|Transformers I.Q.#issue 54|Transformers I.Q. trivia bonus #12}} {{storylink|Falling into Place}}

[[File:AnotherLight-choppitychop.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|"...''Transformers: Prime'' will never make a dozen episodes about finding you."]]

While waiting for Nexus Prime's arrival, Ultra Mammoth confronted his negative counterpart [[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]], who was wielding the [[Terminus Blade]] on Earth. After the Origin Matrix inadvertently supercharged the Blade, Nexus Prime's components arrived in time to combine the Matrix with the other elements to reform the Star Saber. Prima's great sword severed the evil Magnus's arm, and Nexus Prime banished the insane Autobot to a dimension suitable for his temperament. With the Star Saber and Terminus Blade in hand, Nexus Prime set about undoing what damage he could from Magnus's abuse of the weapon. {{storylink|Restoration}}

In multidimensional space, Nexus Prime found he could not undo the destruction of universes already caused by the Terminus Blade. Aware that his actions would not be without consequences to himself, Nexus Prime brought the Saber and Blade together. He strengthened the existing walls between dimensions to prevent further inter-universe decay. He bolstered dying universes that had not yet succumbed to Ultra Magnus, hoping they might still survive. In the process, however, the strengthened walls could no longer support the fluidity of multiversal singularities. Nexus Prime felt himself and his fellow Thirteen splintering, existing as independent beings in each reality they manifested in, instead of thirteen singularities. {{storylink|Out of the One, Many}} In [[Primax -408.24 Epsilon|one universe]], Nexus Prime's individual components reconstituted themselves as a group of low-ranking Decepticons known as Heatwave, [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skytop]], [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landfall]], [[Breakaway (Classics)|Quakebreak]], and [[Topspin (Classics)|Spinaway]]. Although they retained their ability to combine, this "new" Nexus Prime was significantly less coordinated than his predecessor, and his components didn't believe the stories that they had once been some kind of multiversal guardian. {{storylink|Coalescence}}
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===Aligned continuity family===
====''The Covenant of Primus''====
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Nexus Prime was the seventh member of the Thirteen created by Primus with the purpose of fighting against and defeating Unicron. As the first and greatest combiner, he could separate himself into multiple independent components and combine them at will. Nexus, like his siblings who were created between [[Prima]] and [[The Fallen|Megatronus]], was balanced between the personalities of Primus and Unicron.

Nexus was part of the '''Free Agents''', which included [[Maccadam|Alchemist Prime]], [[Solus Prime]], and the [[Thirteenth Prime]]: capable of both direct battle and subtle attacks. As the Primes trained with each other, Solus created the [[Cyber Caliber]] for him, which could split into smaller swords. Nexus would follow Solus into the portal leading to Unicron, entering Unicron's body to harm him from within. All of Nexus' components struggled with the overpowering corruption of Unicron's Dark Energon, but the words of ''Thirteen'', "All Are One", would help him keep fighting. Eventually, Unicron was defeated and Nexus returned to Cybertron with his siblings.

As the [[Age of Primes]] began, Nexus devoted his time to his creative interests, having no interest in the politics of Prima's group. During the [[War of the Primes]], when the Primes came together to vote on whether [[Liege Maximo]]'s [[Farm]] should be shut down or not, Nexus voted with Prima to shut it down. Sometime later, Nexus would join Prima, [[Vector Prime]], [[Alpha Trion]], [[Micronus Prime]], and ''Thirteen'' in finding Megatronus after the death of Solus Prime. Nexus would take his Cyber Caliber when all the Primes visited the Farm, which led to infighting among the Primes.

Nexus Prime would survive the War of the Primes, but the memory of his existence would fade away into myth and legend. Several stellar cycles later, the five components of Nexus Prime -- [[Cannonspring]], [[Mainspring]], [[Pinion]], [[Clocker (Prime)|Clocker]], and [[Chaindrive]] -- would briefly reunite as Nexus Prime, giving [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] his sword. {{storylink|Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|The Covenant of Primus}}

====Aligned novels====
Known as the "Wizard of Forms", Nexus Prime was all about change and mutability. When standing alone, his body seemed to shift or be overlaid with ever-changing forms and combinations he might take. Powerful, proud, and frequently unpredictable even to those who knew him best, Nexus Prime was full of good humor and a bit of a prankster at times. He was the "mad experimenter" of the Thirteen and is fascinated by changing states of matter and the creation of new elements in solar forges. This shared affinity for creation led [[Solus Prime]], the "Maker" of the Thirteen, to have special feelings for Nexus, which in turn seemed to have earned him the enmity of [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] and [[Liege Maximo]].

Nexus Prime was last seen by Alpha Trion before the [[Age of Wrath]], taking custody of many of Solus Prime's creations, including the Cyber Caliber, the [[Chaos Edge]], the [[Blades of Time]], and the [[Omni Saber]].
The Omni Saber was a part of Nexus Prime's body, and he secreted the Cyber Caliber away inside his form as well before splitting himself into five component robots: Clocker, Mainspring, Chaindrive, Pinion, and Cannonspring.
Each component held a fraction of the Cyber Caliber within themselves and was also charged with guarding one of the Blades of Time. Only by assembling the Blades of Time and using them to open a gateway to the hollow [[Realm of the Primes|realm]] of Vector Prime could the Cyber Caliber be reassembled. The [[Star Saber (Thirteen)|Star Saber]] was believed to have been taken by Nexus Prime but was not in his possession during the [[Great Exodus]].

The sub-selves of Nexus Prime scattered throughout the colony worlds of Cybertron. They remained apart for so long that each forgot their true nature, and no longer recalled being part of Nexus Prime or the Thirteen. All but Cannonspring even forgot their duty to safeguard the Blades of Time and the Cyber Caliber. Clocker and Mainspring wound up on [[Velocitron]], where they remained slightly out of place as mechanics instead of the speed-driven racers who ruled the planet. Pinion ended up on [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]], assimilating well into the culture (perhaps because the Junkion way of constantly reusing materials appealed to the subconscious preference of Nexus Prime for change). Chaindrive found himself on Cybertron, and eventually became part of the Autobot resistance movement alongside [[Ultra Magnus (WFC)|Ultra Magnus]] and Alpha Trion after the Ark's departure. Cannonspring ended up in a crippled ship in Cybertron's deep orbit, until the prospector [[Axer (Prime)|Axer]] triggered some latent transwarp energy on board, transporting them both to Junkion. Cannonspring remained inert for over a million years inside his ship after it crashed.

Nexus Prime began to come together once more thanks to the Matrix, which directed Optimus Prime through space to the various colony worlds. As the Ark came to Velocitron, Optimus discovered two pieces of the Blades of Time and fatefully agreed to bring Clocker and Mainspring on the next leg of his journey when they asked. On Junkion, Prime encountered Pinion while recovering a third Blade, and the fourth was retrieved from Axer. Meanwhile, back on Cybertron, Alpha Trion and [[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]] concocted a method of sending a scout after Optimus Prime by keying residual Space Bridge energy to the signature of the Matrix. Instinctively, Alpha Trion decided Chaindrive was the proper choice, and he brought with him the fifth Blade. Once all five Blades and the other four components assembled on Junkion, the combined energy was enough to rekindle the inert Cannonspring, bringing him back to full functioning and allowing them to reassemble into Nexus Prime.

Displaying the ability to hold more weapons than an armory, Nexus Prime pulled forth both his Omni Saber and the Chaos Edge, and also passed the Cyber Caliber over to Optimus Prime. Although he refused to kill anyone, Nexus Prime essentially held off the Decepticons and the [[Star Seeker]]s for a time, on intimidation alone. As [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] and [[Thundertron]] left to pursue other goals, Nexus Prime reclaimed his swords and gave some last words of encouragement to Optimus Prime before splitting himself once more. Reduced to a new set of five protoforms, Nexus Prime vanished into space and the annals of history once more. {{storylink|Transformers: Exiles|Exiles}}

====''Prime'' cartoon====
According to legend, at the beginning of time, [[Unicron]] and [[Primus]] battled each other for eons, with neither side remaining victorious for long. Till, that is, Primus created the [[Thirteen]]. These Thirteen defeated Unicron and cast him into space. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 1}}
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===2005 IDW continuity===
{{first|[[Earthfall Part 3: The Mind Bomb|''Robots in Disguise'' #30]] (mentioned); [[The Crucible|#34]] (depicted)}}

[[File:OriginMyths-ThePrimes.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Love child of Silverbolt and Wheeljack.]]

In the primitive age that followed the departure of the [[Knights of Cybertron]], Nexus Prime joined his [[Thirteen Tribes|tribe]] with those of [[Solus Prime|Solus]], [[Vector Prime|Vector]], [[Maccadam|Alchemist Prime]] and [[Alpha Trion]] in [[Crystal City]]. Like the other four, he knew [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Onyx Prime]] but he himself was disgusted by Onyx's bestial horde and took time to become acclimated to them. He had a brother in the east who ruled his own kingdom. {{storylink|Origin Myths}} Nexus was the first recorded owner of the mysterious artifact known as the [[Enigma of Combination]]. He evidently chose to keep the artifact's true nature as a physical object a secret, with most believing the "Enigma" part of the name referred to a puzzle that had to be solved to allow for [[Combiner|combination]]. {{storylink|The Crucible}}

One evening, Vector Prime barged in on a meeting to announce the approach of Onyx and [[Liege Maximo|a crony]], as well as the news that [[Septimus Prime]] had perished and that [[The Fallen|the conqueror]] of [[Protihex|his lands]] was on the warpath across Cybertron. Despite Solus and Onyx's dismissal, Nexus felt Septimus had still been a Prime such as they were before he asked who Onyx's minion was, the newcomer introducing himself as Liege Maximo, who had also lost his lands to the army of [[Darklands|Darklanders]]. At Alpha Trion's urging, the Primes allowed Onyx and Liege Maximo into their alliance. When the time of battle came, Nexus wished to join his followers in combat but remained behind at Solus's urging. After the [[Titan (group)|Titans]] arrived, Onyx leapt into the fray only to recognize the enemy commander as his old friend Megatronus. Nexus was shocked at this development, before the eight Primes joined forces. In the aftermath, [[Arcee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Arcee]] expressed the belief that the alliance would attract Nexus's brother to him. {{storylink|Origin Myths}} Unbeknownst to the Primes, the 'bot they believed to be Onyx Prime was in fact a time-travelling Shockwave from ten million years in the future who had engineered the entire conflict to bring the Primes together as history recorded. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

[[File:RID34 enigma of combination.jpg|thumb|left|250px|My Enigma don't go to none if they're lowborn, hun.]]

Power turned Nexus into something of a git really, believing that all non-Primes should serve their Prime masters. {{storylink|The Crucible}} Among the members of his court was a [[Titan Master]] by the name of [[Infinitus]], who wholeheartedly believed in his master's elitist approach to social engineering. {{storylink|White Heat}} The Thirteen Primes ruled their planet peacefully until Liege Maximo and Megatronus conspired together, goaded on by Shockwave's machinations, and started the [[First Cybertronian Civil War]] via the murder of Solus Prime. While Megatronus fled Cybertron, Nexus and [[Quintus Prime|Quintus]] managed to restrain Maximo, before trying and exiling him aboard [[Vigilem]]. {{storylink|Heavy}} {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

Nexus allied himself with "Onyx Prime" during the war and used his [[Enigma of Combination]] to create the [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]]: humanoid Transformers combined with beasts. {{storylink|The Crucible}} [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]] found the whole concept disgusting and single-handedly slaughtered the Headmasters before coming after Nexus himself. Nexus sneered that Galvatron was a "lowborn" that couldn't kill him, and Galvatron responded by doing just that. The realization that a Prime could be killed by someone other than another Prime caused most of the remaining Primes to flee the planet. {{storylink|The Crucible}}

He was survived by Infinitus, who vowed to keep his master's teachings alive and eventually apply them to all of Cybertron–especially the parts about forced servitude to the Primes. {{storylink|White Heat}} Nexus's [[Titan (group)|Titan]], [[Devisiun (Titan)|Devisiun]], also survived the war and colonized [[Devisiun (planet)|a planet]] in honor of his master which the younger Shockwave eventually seeded with [[Ore-5]]. {{storylink|Ceremony|The Lost Colonies of Cybertron}}
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===''Prime Wars Trilogy'' cartoons===
[[Victorion]] claimed to only follow the will of Nexus Prime, though she admitted he hadn't given her any new guidance in some time. {{storylink|Desperate Actions}}

===''Power of the Primes'' marketing material===
Nexus Prime's [[Spark]] passed into the possession of one of the twelve [[Prime Master]]s; hidden within a suit of decoy armor, they safeguarded the abilities of the Primes until the present day. By uniting with a larger Transformer, the Prime Master could channel the powers of Nexus's Spark and grant them unique abilities that varied with each new partner. {{storylink|Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes}}

{{note|For a list of every permutation of Nexus Prime's abilities, see [[Prime Master/Combinations|this link]].}}

===''Cyberverse'' cartoon===
Nexus Prime was one of the [[Thirteen]]. {{storylink|Dweller In The Depths (Cyberverse)|Dweller In The Depths}} {{storylink|Silent Strike}} {{storylink|The Other One}}

Nexus Prime eventually passed, being buried with all of his worldly possessions on another planet. Following the [[Quintesson]] invasion of Cybertron, [[Grimlock (Cyberverse)|Grimlock]] and [[Arcee (Cyberverse)|Arcee]] grave-robbed him. {{storylink|The Immobilizers}}

===2019 IDW continuity===
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Nexus Prime, the holder of the Enigma of Combination, was one of the Thirteen Primes. {{storylink|Lord of Misrule: Sea of Rust I|Sea of Rust I}} It was said that Primus had created Nexus as a being of controlled chaos, introducing necessary change into Cybertronian society to prevent stagnation. {{storylink|Lord of Misrule: Enigmatic|Enigmatic}}

===''One'' film===
{{voiceactor|[[Manuel Pérez]] (Latin-American Spanish)}}
One of the original Thirteen Primes, Nexus Prime ruled alongside his fellows until the [[Quintesson]]s invaded Cybertron. When the Primes were directed by [[Sentinel Prime (One)|Sentinel]] to a meeting of Quintesson generals, they found it an ambush. Despite being caught off-guard, the Primes managed to turn the tide of the battle before Sentinel betrayed them, stabbing Nexus and using his weapon to slay several of the Primes. Fifty cycles later, the spirits of the Primes appeared before Orion Pax when he was bestowed the [[Matrix of Leadership]] and became [[Optimus Prime (One)|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|Transformers One (film)|One}}
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==Games==
===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
;'''Nexus Prime Core'''
[[File:Earth Wars Nexus Prime Core.jpg|thumb|upright=0.6]]

Nexus Prime's [[Prime Master#Transformers: Earth Wars|Prime Core]] (his "heart" as one of the primordial [[Thirteen|Thirteen Primes]]) fell to Earth under mysterious circumstances along with those of his siblings to become a hotly contested resource in the [[Earth Wars (conflict)|Earth Wars]]. {{storylink|Power of the Primes (Earth Wars)|Power of the Primes}}

*'''Effect:''' Additional damage to enemy [[Transformers: Earth Wars#Combiners|Combiner]]s. If the [[Transformers: Earth Wars#Standard Bots|Bot]] this Core is affixed to is deployed before your Combiner phase, your Combiner has increased attack power and damage negation.

[https://tfew.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/4733780017183-Prime-Cores-Bot Nexus Prime Core at Transformers: Earth Wars Wiki]

{{chargamestub|{{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars}}}}

===''Transformers Roleplaying Game''===
Nexus Prime was a stalwart ally of Prima and the first combiner. {{storylink|Transformers One Sourcebook}} At the dawn of history, Nexus Prime received the [[Enigma of Combination]]. Some historical texts instead remembered him instead as "Nexus Maximus", {{storylink|The Enigma of Combination}} his original name, {{storylink|Transformers One Sourcebook}} while some ancient humans knew him as {{w|Juno (mythology)|Juno}}. {{storylink|The Enigma of Combination}}

==Toys==
===''Cybertron'', ''Classics'', and ''Timelines''===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-NexusMaximus.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Remember to use the instructions! You don't want to put something in the wrong hole.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|[[Skyfall (Cybertron)#Cybertron|Skyfall]] ([[2005]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|[[Landquake (Timelines)#Timelines|Landquake]] ([[2006]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|[[Breakaway (Classics)#Classics|Breakaway]] ([[2007]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|[[Topspin (Classics)#Classics|Topspin]] ([[2008]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-sd|[[Heatwave (Timelines)#Timelines|Heatwave]] ([[2009]])}}</ul>
{{toydesigner|[[Dan Khanna]] (concept artist)}}

:Nexus Maximus is composed of his five team members, with Heatwave forming his central body component. His limbs' [[energon weapon]]s form his hands and feet. Conisisting of [[redeco]]s of components of the ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' combiners, Nexus Maximus, just like [[Superion Maximus]], [[Bruticus Maximus (Energon)|Bruticus Maximus]], and [[Constructicon Maximus]], features universal connection points for the limbs, allowing many different combinations and even swapping of limbs from different teams, in a fashion very similar to ''[[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]]'''s "[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)#1986 (Scramble City and Transformers 2010)|Scramble City]]"-type combiner teams. Unlike the other Maximus-style combiners, Nexus Maximus features four unique molds for his limb pieces, rather than two redecoed to fit both the legs and arms, due to him using both [[Destruction Team]] and [[Air Team]] molds. Whereas the individual components' robot modes still feature the same head sculpts as the ''Energon'' figures they're redecoed from, the combined form of Nexus Maximus himself was given an entirely new, unique head sculpt, which is an amalgamation of visual elements of its components' own heads: Skyfall's eyes, Landquake's chin, Breakaway's forehead, Topspin's "mohawk", and Heatwave's "ears".

:Nexus Maximus is the combined form of the first five [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] freebie toys, which were released over the span of five years.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/TFCCNexusMaximus/nexusmaximus.htm More information on Nexus Maximus at TFU.info]''
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===''Power of the Primes''===
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<ul class = "iconlist>{{Bp-m1|'''Throne of the Primes''' (Leader Class, [[2018]])}}</ul>
:*''Takara ID number'': '''PP-43'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': [[January 26]], [[2019]]
{{toydesigner|[[Marcelo Matere]] (throne designer, packaging artist)}}

:''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' Nexus Prime is a retool of the [[Maccadam#Power of the Primes|Alchemist Prime]]/[[Submarauder (G1)#Power of the Primes|Submarauder]] inner robot with a new [[Prime Master]] sigil/backpack, packaged in the [[Throne of the Primes#Toys|Throne of the Primes]] set.

:This toy has identical features to the other Prime Masters in the line. The [[Titan Master]]-like robot can store inside decoy armor or ride [[Size class|Legends Class]] figures in vehicle mode, and is fully compatible with toys from the previous ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' line. The "Power Swap" gimmick means its [[spark]] form can plug onto any decoy armor's weapon form (which has a [[5 mm post]] to be held by larger figures), Deluxe Class figures' chest armor, Voyager Class figures' bucklers, Leader Class figures' [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#Power of the Primes|Matrix]] (in place of their Matrix core), [[combiner]]s' torsos (in place of their [[Enigma of Combination]]), or the included [[Scepter of Sparks]] or [[Halo of Primus]] accessories. With the power of [[you]]r imagination, this bestows the Prime Master's [[Prime Master/Combinations|unique power]] on the larger figure.

:While Nexus is a retool of Alchemist Prime (gang-molded with his included Submarauder decoy armor), it is unknown what gang-molded decoy armor Nexus would have had as a hypothetical mass-retail Prime Master.

:This set debuted at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2018, and was later sold via [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] online. It was also available at general retail in Taiwan.
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==Notes==
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*It's hard to say what toyline Nexus Prime is from, as Fun Publications' output hopped imprints twice over the course of his components' release. This was almost certainly an intentional move for the sake of the multiverse schtick, as Fun Pubs' contemporary convention-exclusive releases sported their in-house ''[[Transformers Timelines (franchise)|Timelines]]'' branding from the jump. To date, the only other instance of this phenomenon has been the ''[[Prime Wars Trilogy|Prime Wars]]''/''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (franchise)|War for Cybertron]]'' changeover straddler [[Orthia]].
*Nexus Prime's backstory bears a noticeable similarity to that of {{w|Voltron}}.
*Fun Publications stated at [[BotCon 2009]] that the official limb arrangement for Nexus Prime is that of the configuration in his instructions. With Landquake as the right arm, Breakaway as the left arm, Topspin as the right leg, and Skyfall as the left leg. Why he was depicted in a different arrangement in the caverns around the [[Caretaker]] no one knows.
*Ironically, despite being labeled as an Autobot, a majority of the Transformers that make up Nexus Prime are Decepticons, albeit ones that are [[Landquake (Timelines)|disenchanted by the Decepticon cause]], [[Topspin (Classics)|misled by deceitful leaders]], or [[Heatwave (Timelines)|a completely different kind of Decepticon]].
*Nexus Prime's TFCC magazine profile mentions that he "no longer has an [[alternate mode]]", due to being split apart for so long and then reassembled.
*With his components released one at a time, one per year, he's the combiner toy it took the longest to complete in an official capacity.
*Like other members of the Thirteen, Nexus was originally established as a [[multiversal singularity]] who existed as one being across all space and time, but that is [[Shroud|no longer the case]].
*Nexus Prime's head design has been subject to some confusion. The design is meant to invoke a superhero cowl (similiar to [[Batman]]), with his head covered in armor but his mouth exposed. However, the deco used for his mouth is almost completely black, making it difficult to see; as such, ''The Covenant of Primus'' interpreted his mouth area as a visor, his chin as a [[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]]-esque [[mouthplate]], and his actual eyes as forehead detail. It also interpreted the "fins" on the sides of his head, which were originally part of said "cowl", into Optimus Prime-esque antennae. Most subsequent incarnations have followed the Covenant interpretation; as a result of this game of telephone, his big screen debut in ''[[Transformers One (film)|Transformers One]]'' bears almost no resemblance to his original design.
*[[Volcanicus (Cyberverse)|''Cyberverse'' Volcanicus]]'s head is based on the Covenant's Nexus Prime design, albeit with a mouth and chin-guard resembling Nexus's original design.

===Naming issues===
[[Fun Publications]] originally submitted the possible names '''Prime Nexus''' and '''Maximus Prime''' to [[Hasbro]] for the character (reflecting the fact that the character is a Prime in-fiction), Hasbro rejected these, apparently because they were feeling protective towards the use of the name Prime (despite previously having approved the fiction that named him a Prime, written by their own [[Forest Lee]]). Hasbro suggested merging the non-Prime segments of the two names instead... oops.

Apparently neither Hasbro nor Fun Publications did their research when naming Nexus Maximus, because there is another product which shares that name and was, as of [[May 24]], [[2009]], the top Google result (websites relating to this character have since surpassed it). While it is definitely a "toy", it is most assuredly not intended for ages 5 and up. According to the Fun Publications Club panel at [[BotCon 2009]], Hasbro did a search for the name with "safe search" on, causing them to not see... well, [http://www.edenfantasys.com/dildos/double-ended-dildos/nexus-maximus this]. '''NOTE: DEFINITELY NOT SAFE FOR WORK.'''

When he finally appeared in fiction, his name was, in fact, given as Nexus Prime, which makes much better sense story-wise but deprives us of many cheap and easy joke opportunities. [[Pete Sinclair]] posted an image on the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] forums of [[Aquarius (SG)|Aquarius]] blaming the "Nexus Maximus" name on a bad translation by [[Beta Maxx (RID)|Beta Maxx]]<ref>[https://tilallaremine.wordpress.com/2011/05/31/nexus-prime/ Definitely, definitely, *not* Nexus Maximus. Timelines Nexus Prime!] from 'Til All Are Mine blog. </ref>.

(The debate is still on as to whether Nexus Maximus constitutes a choking hazard.)

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Nexus Prime''' (ネクサスプライム ''Nekusasu Puraimu'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Jīng Tiān Wěi''' (经天纬)

==Gallery==
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NexusPrimeDanKhannaConcept.jpg|Original ''Timelines'' concept art
NexusPrime-TFOnecardcropped.jpg|''One'' film
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==References==
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Nexus Prime

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[[Image:NexusPrimeflankedbyotherPrimes.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Insert batteries where?!]]
One of the [[Thirteen|original Thirteen Primes]], the wild and unpredictable '''Nexus Prime''' is the first [[combiner]]. He is the bearer of the immensely consequential [[Artifacts of the Primes|artifact]] known as the [[Enigma of Combination]] and the lord of [[Rarified Energon]]—the stuff of [[spark]]s themselves—granting him a variety of mysterious powers above and beyond many of his siblings. Nexus' go-to problem solving method of scattering himself to the four winds has often proved the cause of, and solution to, all of his and his resultant sub-selves' problems. He also has a habit of hoarding the legendary blades forged by his sister [[Solus Prime]] whether they belong to him or not, considering himself the safest pair(s) of hands. How much these antics relate to his reputation as the prankster of the Thirteen is up for interpretation. His fragments include:

*[[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]] (A-10 Thunderbolt II, left leg)— a deep space explorer with the ability to project [[Force field|forcefields]]
*[[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]] (anti-aircraft tank, right arm)— a disaffected soldier with the power to forge [[Energon weapon|energon weapons]] unaided
*[[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]] (fighter jet, left arm)— a mystical guardian with preternatural healing abilities
*[[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]] (helicopter, right leg)— a credulous refugee with the power to manipulate sparks
*[[Heatwave (Timelines)|Heatwave]] (armored personnel carrier, torso)— a cheerful technician with ability to "speak" machinery to life

Unlike many of his descendants, Nexus Prime is highly mutable and not beholden to a single set of components. In [[Aligned continuity family|a different universe]], Nexus instead split himself into:

*[[Clocker (Prime)|Clocker]]— a [[Velocitron]]ian racer
*[[Mainspring]]— a Velocitronian mechanic
*[[Chaindrive]]— an Autobot soldier
*[[Pinion]]— a [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] trader
*[[Cannonspring]]— a lost Cybertronian

Oh yeah, and he is responsible for [[Shroud|splintering]] himself and [[Multiversal singularity|his brethren]] across the [[Multiverse|multiverse]]. That was a pretty significant thing that happened.

He is sometimes, unfortunately, known as '''[[#Naming issues|Nexus Maximus]]'''.

==Fiction==
===Fun Publications===
When the Thirteen visited ancient Earth of some universal streams, Nexus Prime used a [[holomatter]] avatar which inspired the myth of the goddess Hera, trusted confidant of Zeus, who was [[Prima]]'s holomatter avatar. [[Vector Prime]] shared many fond memories with his siblings, including Nexus, and noted that there were universal streams where Nexus was known as Nexus [[Convoy (rank)|Convoy]].

Nexus Prime, Vector Prime, [[Alpha Trion]], and [[Solus Prime]] made the decision to split Nexus Prime into five pieces to conceal the location of the five fragments of Prima's [[Star Saber (Thirteen)|Star Saber]] sword, a weapon that could destroy star systems, from their evil brother [[The Fallen|Megatronus]]. Using the blade of the Star Saber, Nexus Prime was cut into five other robots: [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]], [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]], [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]], [[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]], and [[Heatwave (Timelines)|Heatwave]], who were subsequently scattered across the [[multiverse]] and lost to the ages. {{Storylink|Ask Vector Prime}}

But the skills of Nexus Prime are needed once again, and now that his components have been called together by Primus, he searches the multiverse for the components to the Star Saber sword, armed with his masterful control over all uses of [[energon]], and ability to manipulate [[spark]]s.

[[Image:Clubcombinercarving.jpg|200px|thumb|They drew his limbs arranged incorrectly!]]
The [[Caretaker]] told its components that Nexus Prime was "designated a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]", like the other original thirteen. {{storylink|Crossing Over: Part 6}}

When Landquake, Breakaway, Topspin, and Heatwave made an attempt to use their powers to revive the recently assassinated [[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]], they were transported—along with a revived Skyfall—to the presence of [[Primus]] in the "afterlife". He gave them a choice of living (or staying dead) as they were, or being reborn as what they were meant to be. After the gestalt members made their deliberations, Primus declared, "The choice is made. Arise, Nexus Prime," as they started the transformation. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 5}}

[[Image:OmegaDoomNexusPrimeGalvatron.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Behold the fingers my toy totally doesn't have!]]

Nexus Prime [[Reformatting|reformatted]] the dead Megatron into the powerful Galvatron, investing in him some of the power of the Thirteen. The two exited the Decepticon stronghold to counter [[Omega Doom]]'s offensive, but they were forced to split up when Doom launched a starkilling missile into Cybertron's sun. Though his Decepticon components protested leaving the battle, Nexus Prime knew saving this Cybertron's star system was of more immediate importance. Regardless, he was too late in stopping the missile, and its energies began to destroy the sun. Nexus began to concentrate.

Nexus returned to Cybertron triumphant, having used his own powers to negate those of the starkilling missile, and he made short work of Omega Doom, saving Galvatron in the nick of time. Though there was more on this Cybertron to do, such as finishing [[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]] once and for all, Nexus Prime knew he had to depart this universe. After saying goodbye to [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]], he entered a portal with [[Aquarius (SG)|Aquarius]], trusting fate to bring him to the correct destination. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 6}}

Nexus Prime and Aquarius traveled from world to world, but without finding what Nexus Prime was looking for. Eventually, the pair arrived on [[Primax 509.28 Epsilon|one universe]]'s [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], where they were attacked by a group of smaller Decepticons who thought they had an easy mark. Though Nexus Prime was unwilling to use his more supernatural powers, lest he draw unwanted attention towards himself, he was still able to easily beat their attackers. As they left the group of dazed Decepticons behind, Nexus Prime and Aquarius wandered through a Cybertronian marketplace. Finally, Nexus Prime began to drop hints about what [[Star Saber (Thirteen)|mysterious artifact]] he was looking for; he hadn't yet clued Aquarius in. Ultimately, Nexus Prime spotted a shipping container with an [[Elite Guard]] symbol on it. This unlocked a memory in the ancient Transformer, allowing him to determine their next destination. He and Aquarius vanished through another portal to yet another dimension. {{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 1}}

After several unspecified adventures, Aquarius ended up in Axiom Nexus and took charge of a shard of the Star Saber from a [[Chifumi Takahashi|courier]]. In exchange, he promised to help her get home. {{storylink|Transformers I.Q.#issue 48|Transformers I.Q. last issue review}} To their surprise, however, they ended up on the Cybertron of Aquarius's home reality. It soon became obvious that Nexus had transported them there in order to receive the [[Origin Matrix]], the fifth and final piece, from [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Mammoth]]. {{storylink|Transformers I.Q.#issue 54|Transformers I.Q. trivia bonus #12}} {{storylink|Falling into Place}}

[[File:AnotherLight-choppitychop.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|"...''Transformers: Prime'' will never make a dozen episodes about finding you."]]

While waiting for Nexus Prime's arrival, Ultra Mammoth confronted his negative counterpart [[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]], who was wielding the [[Terminus Blade]] on Earth. After the Origin Matrix inadvertently supercharged the Blade, Nexus Prime's components arrived in time to combine the Matrix with the other elements to reform the Star Saber. Prima's great sword severed the evil Magnus's arm, and Nexus Prime banished the insane Autobot to a dimension suitable for his temperament. With the Star Saber and Terminus Blade in hand, Nexus Prime set about undoing what damage he could from Magnus's abuse of the weapon. {{storylink|Restoration}}

In multidimensional space, Nexus Prime found he could not undo the destruction of universes already caused by the Terminus Blade. Aware that his actions would not be without consequences to himself, Nexus Prime brought the Saber and Blade together. He strengthened the existing walls between dimensions to prevent further inter-universe decay. He bolstered dying universes that had not yet succumbed to Ultra Magnus, hoping they might still survive. In the process, however, the strengthened walls could no longer support the fluidity of multiversal singularities. Nexus Prime felt himself and his fellow Thirteen splintering, existing as independent beings in each reality they manifested in, instead of thirteen singularities. {{storylink|Out of the One, Many}} In [[Primax -408.24 Epsilon|one universe]], Nexus Prime's individual components reconstituted themselves as a group of low-ranking Decepticons known as Heatwave, [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skytop]], [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landfall]], [[Breakaway (Classics)|Quakebreak]], and [[Topspin (Classics)|Spinaway]]. Although they retained their ability to combine, this "new" Nexus Prime was significantly less coordinated than his predecessor, and his components didn't believe the stories that they had once been some kind of multiversal guardian. {{storylink|Coalescence}}
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===Aligned continuity family===
====''The Covenant of Primus''====
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Nexus Prime was the seventh member of the Thirteen created by Primus with the purpose of fighting against and defeating Unicron. As the first and greatest combiner, he could separate himself into multiple independent components and combine them at will. Nexus, like his siblings who were created between [[Prima]] and [[The Fallen|Megatronus]], was balanced between the personalities of Primus and Unicron.

Nexus was part of the '''Free Agents''', which included [[Maccadam|Alchemist Prime]], [[Solus Prime]], and the [[Thirteenth Prime]]: capable of both direct battle and subtle attacks. As the Primes trained with each other, Solus created the [[Cyber Caliber]] for him, which could split into smaller swords. Nexus would follow Solus into the portal leading to Unicron, entering Unicron's body to harm him from within. All of Nexus' components struggled with the overpowering corruption of Unicron's Dark Energon, but the words of ''Thirteen'', "All Are One", would help him keep fighting. Eventually, Unicron was defeated and Nexus returned to Cybertron with his siblings.

As the [[Age of Primes]] began, Nexus devoted his time to his creative interests, having no interest in the politics of Prima's group. During the [[War of the Primes]], when the Primes came together to vote on whether [[Liege Maximo]]'s [[Farm]] should be shut down or not, Nexus voted with Prima to shut it down. Sometime later, Nexus would join Prima, [[Vector Prime]], [[Alpha Trion]], [[Micronus Prime]], and ''Thirteen'' in finding Megatronus after the death of Solus Prime. Nexus would take his Cyber Caliber when all the Primes visited the Farm, which led to infighting among the Primes.

Nexus Prime would survive the War of the Primes, but the memory of his existence would fade away into myth and legend. Several stellar cycles later, the five components of Nexus Prime -- [[Cannonspring]], [[Mainspring]], [[Pinion]], [[Clocker (Prime)|Clocker]], and [[Chaindrive]] -- would briefly reunite as Nexus Prime, giving [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] his sword. {{storylink|Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|The Covenant of Primus}}

====Aligned novels====
Known as the "Wizard of Forms", Nexus Prime was all about change and mutability. When standing alone, his body seemed to shift or be overlaid with ever-changing forms and combinations he might take. Powerful, proud, and frequently unpredictable even to those who knew him best, Nexus Prime was full of good humor and a bit of a prankster at times. He was the "mad experimenter" of the Thirteen and is fascinated by changing states of matter and the creation of new elements in solar forges. This shared affinity for creation led [[Solus Prime]], the "Maker" of the Thirteen, to have special feelings for Nexus, which in turn seemed to have earned him the enmity of [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] and [[Liege Maximo]].

Nexus Prime was last seen by Alpha Trion before the [[Age of Wrath]], taking custody of many of Solus Prime's creations, including the Cyber Caliber, the [[Chaos Edge]], the [[Blades of Time]], and the [[Omni Saber]].
The Omni Saber was a part of Nexus Prime's body, and he secreted the Cyber Caliber away inside his form as well before splitting himself into five component robots: Clocker, Mainspring, Chaindrive, Pinion, and Cannonspring.
Each component held a fraction of the Cyber Caliber within themselves and was also charged with guarding one of the Blades of Time. Only by assembling the Blades of Time and using them to open a gateway to the hollow [[Realm of the Primes|realm]] of Vector Prime could the Cyber Caliber be reassembled. The [[Star Saber (Thirteen)|Star Saber]] was believed to have been taken by Nexus Prime but was not in his possession during the [[Great Exodus]].

The sub-selves of Nexus Prime scattered throughout the colony worlds of Cybertron. They remained apart for so long that each forgot their true nature, and no longer recalled being part of Nexus Prime or the Thirteen. All but Cannonspring even forgot their duty to safeguard the Blades of Time and the Cyber Caliber. Clocker and Mainspring wound up on [[Velocitron]], where they remained slightly out of place as mechanics instead of the speed-driven racers who ruled the planet. Pinion ended up on [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]], assimilating well into the culture (perhaps because the Junkion way of constantly reusing materials appealed to the subconscious preference of Nexus Prime for change). Chaindrive found himself on Cybertron, and eventually became part of the Autobot resistance movement alongside [[Ultra Magnus (WFC)|Ultra Magnus]] and Alpha Trion after the Ark's departure. Cannonspring ended up in a crippled ship in Cybertron's deep orbit, until the prospector [[Axer (Prime)|Axer]] triggered some latent transwarp energy on board, transporting them both to Junkion. Cannonspring remained inert for over a million years inside his ship after it crashed.

Nexus Prime began to come together once more thanks to the Matrix, which directed Optimus Prime through space to the various colony worlds. As the Ark came to Velocitron, Optimus discovered two pieces of the Blades of Time and fatefully agreed to bring Clocker and Mainspring on the next leg of his journey when they asked. On Junkion, Prime encountered Pinion while recovering a third Blade, and the fourth was retrieved from Axer. Meanwhile, back on Cybertron, Alpha Trion and [[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]] concocted a method of sending a scout after Optimus Prime by keying residual Space Bridge energy to the signature of the Matrix. Instinctively, Alpha Trion decided Chaindrive was the proper choice, and he brought with him the fifth Blade. Once all five Blades and the other four components assembled on Junkion, the combined energy was enough to rekindle the inert Cannonspring, bringing him back to full functioning and allowing them to reassemble into Nexus Prime.

Displaying the ability to hold more weapons than an armory, Nexus Prime pulled forth both his Omni Saber and the Chaos Edge, and also passed the Cyber Caliber over to Optimus Prime. Although he refused to kill anyone, Nexus Prime essentially held off the Decepticons and the [[Star Seeker]]s for a time, on intimidation alone. As [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] and [[Thundertron]] left to pursue other goals, Nexus Prime reclaimed his swords and gave some last words of encouragement to Optimus Prime before splitting himself once more. Reduced to a new set of five protoforms, Nexus Prime vanished into space and the annals of history once more. {{storylink|Transformers: Exiles|Exiles}}

====''Prime'' cartoon====
According to legend, at the beginning of time, [[Unicron]] and [[Primus]] battled each other for eons, with neither side remaining victorious for long. Till, that is, Primus created the [[Thirteen]]. These Thirteen defeated Unicron and cast him into space. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 1}}
{{--}}

===2005 IDW continuity===
{{first|[[Earthfall Part 3: The Mind Bomb|''Robots in Disguise'' #30]] (mentioned); [[The Crucible|#34]] (depicted)}}

[[File:OriginMyths-ThePrimes.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Love child of Silverbolt and Wheeljack.]]

In the primitive age that followed the departure of the [[Knights of Cybertron]], Nexus Prime joined his [[Thirteen Tribes|tribe]] with those of [[Solus Prime|Solus]], [[Vector Prime|Vector]], [[Maccadam|Alchemist Prime]] and [[Alpha Trion]] in [[Crystal City]]. Like the other four, he knew [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Onyx Prime]] but he himself was disgusted by Onyx's bestial horde and took time to become acclimated to them. He had a brother in the east who ruled his own kingdom. {{storylink|Origin Myths}} Nexus was the first recorded owner of the mysterious artifact known as the [[Enigma of Combination]]. He evidently chose to keep the artifact's true nature as a physical object a secret, with most believing the "Enigma" part of the name referred to a puzzle that had to be solved to allow for [[Combiner|combination]]. {{storylink|The Crucible}}

One evening, Vector Prime barged in on a meeting to announce the approach of Onyx and [[Liege Maximo|a crony]], as well as the news that [[Septimus Prime]] had perished and that [[The Fallen|the conqueror]] of [[Protihex|his lands]] was on the warpath across Cybertron. Despite Solus and Onyx's dismissal, Nexus felt Septimus had still been a Prime such as they were before he asked who Onyx's minion was, the newcomer introducing himself as Liege Maximo, who had also lost his lands to the army of [[Darklands|Darklanders]]. At Alpha Trion's urging, the Primes allowed Onyx and Liege Maximo into their alliance. When the time of battle came, Nexus wished to join his followers in combat but remained behind at Solus's urging. After the [[Titan (group)|Titans]] arrived, Onyx leapt into the fray only to recognize the enemy commander as his old friend Megatronus. Nexus was shocked at this development, before the eight Primes joined forces. In the aftermath, [[Arcee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Arcee]] expressed the belief that the alliance would attract Nexus's brother to him. {{storylink|Origin Myths}} Unbeknownst to the Primes, the 'bot they believed to be Onyx Prime was in fact a time-travelling Shockwave from ten million years in the future who had engineered the entire conflict to bring the Primes together as history recorded. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

[[File:RID34 enigma of combination.jpg|thumb|left|250px|My Enigma don't go to none if they're lowborn, hun.]]

Power turned Nexus into something of a git really, believing that all non-Primes should serve their Prime masters. {{storylink|The Crucible}} Among the members of his court was a [[Titan Master]] by the name of [[Infinitus]], who wholeheartedly believed in his master's elitist approach to social engineering. {{storylink|White Heat}} The Thirteen Primes ruled their planet peacefully until Liege Maximo and Megatronus conspired together, goaded on by Shockwave's machinations, and started the [[First Cybertronian Civil War]] via the murder of Solus Prime. While Megatronus fled Cybertron, Nexus and [[Quintus Prime|Quintus]] managed to restrain Maximo, before trying and exiling him aboard [[Vigilem]]. {{storylink|Heavy}} {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

Nexus allied himself with "Onyx Prime" during the war and used his [[Enigma of Combination]] to create the [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]]: humanoid Transformers combined with beasts. {{storylink|The Crucible}} [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]] found the whole concept disgusting and single-handedly slaughtered the Headmasters before coming after Nexus himself. Nexus sneered that Galvatron was a "lowborn" that couldn't kill him, and Galvatron responded by doing just that. The realization that a Prime could be killed by someone other than another Prime caused most of the remaining Primes to flee the planet. {{storylink|The Crucible}}

He was survived by Infinitus, who vowed to keep his master's teachings alive and eventually apply them to all of Cybertron–especially the parts about forced servitude to the Primes. {{storylink|White Heat}} Nexus's [[Titan (group)|Titan]], [[Devisiun (Titan)|Devisiun]], also survived the war and colonized [[Devisiun (planet)|a planet]] in honor of his master which the younger Shockwave eventually seeded with [[Ore-5]]. {{storylink|Ceremony|The Lost Colonies of Cybertron}}
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===''Prime Wars Trilogy'' cartoons===
[[Victorion]] claimed to only follow the will of Nexus Prime, though she admitted he hadn't given her any new guidance in some time. {{storylink|Desperate Actions}}

===''Power of the Primes'' marketing material===
Nexus Prime's [[Spark]] passed into the possession of one of the twelve [[Prime Master]]s; hidden within a suit of decoy armor, they safeguarded the abilities of the Primes until the present day. By uniting with a larger Transformer, the Prime Master could channel the powers of Nexus's Spark and grant them unique abilities that varied with each new partner. {{storylink|Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes}}

{{note|For a list of every permutation of Nexus Prime's abilities, see [[Prime Master/Combinations|this link]].}}

===''Cyberverse'' cartoon===
Nexus Prime was one of the [[Thirteen]]. {{storylink|Dweller In The Depths (Cyberverse)|Dweller In The Depths}} {{storylink|Silent Strike}} {{storylink|The Other One}}

Nexus Prime eventually passed, being buried with all of his worldly possessions on another planet. Following the [[Quintesson]] invasion of Cybertron, [[Grimlock (Cyberverse)|Grimlock]] and [[Arcee (Cyberverse)|Arcee]] grave-robbed him. {{storylink|The Immobilizers}}

===2019 IDW continuity===
[[File:SeaOfRustI-NexusPrime.jpg|thumb]]
Nexus Prime, the holder of the Enigma of Combination, was one of the Thirteen Primes. {{storylink|Lord of Misrule: Sea of Rust I|Sea of Rust I}} It was said that Primus had created Nexus as a being of controlled chaos, introducing necessary change into Cybertronian society to prevent stagnation. {{storylink|Lord of Misrule: Enigmatic|Enigmatic}}

===''One'' film===
{{voiceactor|[[Manuel Pérez]] (Latin-American Spanish)}}
One of the original Thirteen Primes, Nexus Prime ruled alongside his fellows until the [[Quintesson]]s invaded Cybertron. When the Primes were directed by [[Sentinel Prime (One)|Sentinel]] to a meeting of Quintesson generals, they found it an ambush. Despite being caught off-guard, the Primes managed to turn the tide of the battle before Sentinel betrayed them, stabbing Nexus and using his weapon to slay several of the Primes. Fifty cycles later, the spirits of the Primes appeared before Orion Pax when he was bestowed the [[Matrix of Leadership]] and became [[Optimus Prime (One)|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|Transformers One (film)|One}}
{{--}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
;'''Nexus Prime Core'''
[[File:Earth Wars Nexus Prime Core.jpg|thumb|upright=0.6]]

Nexus Prime's [[Prime Master#Transformers: Earth Wars|Prime Core]] (his "heart" as one of the primordial [[Thirteen|Thirteen Primes]]) fell to Earth under mysterious circumstances along with those of his siblings to become a hotly contested resource in the [[Earth Wars (conflict)|Earth Wars]]. {{storylink|Power of the Primes (Earth Wars)|Power of the Primes}}

*'''Effect:''' Additional damage to enemy [[Transformers: Earth Wars#Combiners|Combiner]]s. If the [[Transformers: Earth Wars#Standard Bots|Bot]] this Core is affixed to is deployed before your Combiner phase, your Combiner has increased attack power and damage negation.

[https://tfew.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/4733780017183-Prime-Cores-Bot Nexus Prime Core at Transformers: Earth Wars Wiki]

{{chargamestub|{{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars}}}}

===''Transformers Roleplaying Game''===
Nexus Prime was a stalwart ally of Prima and the first combiner. {{storylink|Transformers One Sourcebook}} At the dawn of history, Nexus Prime received the [[Enigma of Combination]]. Some historical texts instead remembered him instead as "Nexus Maximus", {{storylink|The Enigma of Combination}} his original name, {{storylink|Transformers One Sourcebook}} while some ancient humans knew him as {{w|Juno (mythology)|Juno}}. {{storylink|The Enigma of Combination}}

==Toys==
===''Cybertron'', ''Classics'', and ''Timelines''===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-NexusMaximus.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Remember to use the instructions! You don't want to put something in the wrong hole.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|[[Skyfall (Cybertron)#Cybertron|Skyfall]] ([[2005]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|[[Landquake (Timelines)#Timelines|Landquake]] ([[2006]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|[[Breakaway (Classics)#Classics|Breakaway]] ([[2007]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|[[Topspin (Classics)#Classics|Topspin]] ([[2008]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-sd|[[Heatwave (Timelines)#Timelines|Heatwave]] ([[2009]])}}</ul>
{{toydesigner|[[Dan Khanna]] (concept artist)}}

:Nexus Maximus is composed of his five team members, with Heatwave forming his central body component. His limbs' [[energon weapon]]s form his hands and feet. Conisisting of [[redeco]]s of components of the ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' combiners, Nexus Maximus, just like [[Superion Maximus]], [[Bruticus Maximus (Energon)|Bruticus Maximus]], and [[Constructicon Maximus]], features universal connection points for the limbs, allowing many different combinations and even swapping of limbs from different teams, in a fashion very similar to ''[[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]]'''s "[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)#1986 (Scramble City and Transformers 2010)|Scramble City]]"-type combiner teams. Unlike the other Maximus-style combiners, Nexus Maximus features four unique molds for his limb pieces, rather than two redecoed to fit both the legs and arms, due to him using both [[Destruction Team]] and [[Air Team]] molds. Whereas the individual components' robot modes still feature the same head sculpts as the ''Energon'' figures they're redecoed from, the combined form of Nexus Maximus himself was given an entirely new, unique head sculpt, which is an amalgamation of visual elements of its components' own heads: Skyfall's eyes, Landquake's chin, Breakaway's forehead, Topspin's "mohawk", and Heatwave's "ears".

:Nexus Maximus is the combined form of the first five [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] freebie toys, which were released over the span of five years.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/TFCCNexusMaximus/nexusmaximus.htm More information on Nexus Maximus at TFU.info]''
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===''Power of the Primes''===
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:*''Takara ID number'': '''PP-43'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': [[January 26]], [[2019]]
{{toydesigner|[[Marcelo Matere]] (throne designer, packaging artist)}}

:''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' Nexus Prime is a retool of the [[Maccadam#Power of the Primes|Alchemist Prime]]/[[Submarauder (G1)#Power of the Primes|Submarauder]] inner robot with a new [[Prime Master]] sigil/backpack, packaged in the [[Throne of the Primes#Toys|Throne of the Primes]] set.

:This toy has identical features to the other Prime Masters in the line. The [[Titan Master]]-like robot can store inside decoy armor or ride [[Size class|Legends Class]] figures in vehicle mode, and is fully compatible with toys from the previous ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' line. The "Power Swap" gimmick means its [[spark]] form can plug onto any decoy armor's weapon form (which has a [[5 mm post]] to be held by larger figures), Deluxe Class figures' chest armor, Voyager Class figures' bucklers, Leader Class figures' [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#Power of the Primes|Matrix]] (in place of their Matrix core), [[combiner]]s' torsos (in place of their [[Enigma of Combination]]), or the included [[Scepter of Sparks]] or [[Halo of Primus]] accessories. With the power of [[you]]r imagination, this bestows the Prime Master's [[Prime Master/Combinations|unique power]] on the larger figure.

:While Nexus is a retool of Alchemist Prime (gang-molded with his included Submarauder decoy armor), it is unknown what gang-molded decoy armor Nexus would have had as a hypothetical mass-retail Prime Master.

:This set debuted at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2018, and was later sold via [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] online. It was also available at general retail in Taiwan.
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==Notes==
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*It's hard to say what toyline Nexus Prime is from, as Fun Publications' output hopped imprints twice over the course of his components' release. This was almost certainly an intentional move for the sake of the multiverse schtick, as Fun Pubs' contemporary convention-exclusive releases sported their in-house ''[[Transformers Timelines (franchise)|Timelines]]'' branding from the jump. To date, the only other instance of this phenomenon has been the ''[[Prime Wars Trilogy|Prime Wars]]''/''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (franchise)|War for Cybertron]]'' changeover straddler [[Orthia]].
*Nexus Prime's backstory bears a noticeable similarity to that of {{w|Voltron}}.
*Fun Publications stated at [[BotCon 2009]] that the official limb arrangement for Nexus Prime is that of the configuration in his instructions. With Landquake as the right arm, Breakaway as the left arm, Topspin as the right leg, and Skyfall as the left leg. Why he was depicted in a different arrangement in the caverns around the [[Caretaker]] no one knows.
*Ironically, despite being labeled as an Autobot, a majority of the Transformers that make up Nexus Prime are Decepticons, albeit ones that are [[Landquake (Timelines)|disenchanted by the Decepticon cause]], [[Topspin (Classics)|misled by deceitful leaders]], or [[Heatwave (Timelines)|a completely different kind of Decepticon]].
*Nexus Prime's TFCC magazine profile mentions that he "no longer has an [[alternate mode]]", due to being split apart for so long and then reassembled.
*With his components released one at a time, one per year, he's the combiner toy it took the longest to complete in an official capacity.
*Like other members of the Thirteen, Nexus was originally established as a [[multiversal singularity]] who existed as one being across all space and time, but that is [[Shroud|no longer the case]].
*Nexus Prime's head design has been subject to some confusion. The design is meant to invoke a superhero cowl (similiar to [[Batman]]), with his head covered in armor but his mouth exposed. However, the deco used for his mouth is almost completely black, making it difficult to see; as such, ''The Covenant of Primus'' interpreted his mouth area as a visor, his chin as a [[mouthplate]], and his actual eyes as forehead detail. It also interpreted the "fins" on the sides of his head, which were originally part of said "cowl", into Optimus Prime-esque antennae. Most subsequent incarnations have followed the Covenant interpretation; as a result, of this game of telephone, his big screen debut in ''[[Transformers One (film)|Transformers One]]'' bears almost no resemblance to his original design.
*[[Volcanicus (Cyberverse)|''Cyberverse'' Volcanicus]]'s head is based on the Covenant's Nexus Prime design, albeit with a mouth and chin-guard resembling Nexus's original design.

===Naming issues===
[[Fun Publications]] originally submitted the possible names '''Prime Nexus''' and '''Maximus Prime''' to [[Hasbro]] for the character (reflecting the fact that the character is a Prime in-fiction), Hasbro rejected these, apparently because they were feeling protective towards the use of the name Prime (despite previously having approved the fiction that named him a Prime, written by their own [[Forest Lee]]). Hasbro suggested merging the non-Prime segments of the two names instead... oops.

Apparently neither Hasbro nor Fun Publications did their research when naming Nexus Maximus, because there is another product which shares that name and was, as of [[May 24]], [[2009]], the top Google result (websites relating to this character have since surpassed it). While it is definitely a "toy", it is most assuredly not intended for ages 5 and up. According to the Fun Publications Club panel at [[BotCon 2009]], Hasbro did a search for the name with "safe search" on, causing them to not see... well, [http://www.edenfantasys.com/dildos/double-ended-dildos/nexus-maximus this]. '''NOTE: DEFINITELY NOT SAFE FOR WORK.'''

When he finally appeared in fiction, his name was, in fact, given as Nexus Prime, which makes much better sense story-wise but deprives us of many cheap and easy joke opportunities. [[Pete Sinclair]] posted an image on the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] forums of [[Aquarius (SG)|Aquarius]] blaming the "Nexus Maximus" name on a bad translation by [[Beta Maxx (RID)|Beta Maxx]]<ref>[https://tilallaremine.wordpress.com/2011/05/31/nexus-prime/ Definitely, definitely, *not* Nexus Maximus. Timelines Nexus Prime!] from 'Til All Are Mine blog. </ref>.

(The debate is still on as to whether Nexus Maximus constitutes a choking hazard.)

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Nexus Prime''' (ネクサスプライム ''Nekusasu Puraimu'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Jīng Tiān Wěi''' (经天纬)

==Gallery==
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Nexus Prime

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[[Image:NexusPrimeflankedbyotherPrimes.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Insert batteries where?!]]
One of the [[Thirteen|original Thirteen Primes]], the wild and unpredictable '''Nexus Prime''' is the first [[combiner]]. He is the bearer of the immensely consequential [[Artifacts of the Primes|artifact]] known as the [[Enigma of Combination]] and the lord of [[Rarified Energon]]—the stuff of [[spark]]s themselves—granting him a variety of mysterious powers above and beyond many of his siblings. Nexus' go-to problem solving method of scattering himself to the four winds has often proved the cause of, and solution to, all of his and his resultant sub-selves' problems. He also has a habit of hoarding the legendary blades forged by his sister [[Solus Prime]] whether they belong to him or not, considering himself the safest pair(s) of hands. How much these antics relate to his reputation as the prankster of the Thirteen is up for interpretation. His fragments include:

*[[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]] (A-10 Thunderbolt II, left leg)— a deep space explorer with the ability to project [[Force field|forcefields]]
*[[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]] (anti-aircraft tank, right arm)— a disaffected soldier with the power to forge [[Energon weapon|energon weapons]] unaided
*[[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]] (fighter jet, left arm)— a mystical guardian with preternatural healing abilities
*[[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]] (helicopter, right leg)— a credulous refugee with the power to manipulate sparks
*[[Heatwave (Timelines)|Heatwave]] (armored personnel carrier, torso)— a cheerful technician with ability to "speak" machinery to life

Unlike many of his descendants, Nexus Prime is highly mutable and not beholden to a single set of components. In [[Aligned continuity family|a different universe]], Nexus instead split himself into:

*[[Clocker (Prime)|Clocker]]— a [[Velocitron]]ian racer
*[[Mainspring]]— a Velocitronian mechanic
*[[Chaindrive]]— an Autobot soldier
*[[Pinion]]— a [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] trader
*[[Cannonspring]]— a lost Cybertronian

Oh yeah, and he is responsible for [[Shroud|splintering]] himself and [[Multiversal singularity|his brethren]] across the [[Multiverse|multiverse]]. That was a pretty significant thing that happened.

He is sometimes, unfortunately, known as '''[[#Naming issues|Nexus Maximus]]'''.

==Fiction==
===Fun Publications===
When the Thirteen visited ancient Earth of some universal streams, Nexus Prime used a [[holomatter]] avatar which inspired the myth of the goddess Hera, trusted confidant of Zeus, who was [[Prima]]'s holomatter avatar. [[Vector Prime]] shared many fond memories with his siblings, including Nexus, and noted that there were universal streams where Nexus was known as Nexus [[Convoy (rank)|Convoy]].

Nexus Prime, Vector Prime, [[Alpha Trion]], and [[Solus Prime]] made the decision to split Nexus Prime into five pieces to conceal the location of the five fragments of Prima's [[Star Saber (Thirteen)|Star Saber]] sword, a weapon that could destroy star systems, from their evil brother [[The Fallen|Megatronus]]. Using the blade of the Star Saber, Nexus Prime was cut into five other robots: [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]], [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]], [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]], [[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]], and [[Heatwave (Timelines)|Heatwave]], who were subsequently scattered across the [[multiverse]] and lost to the ages. {{Storylink|Ask Vector Prime}}

But the skills of Nexus Prime are needed once again, and now that his components have been called together by Primus, he searches the multiverse for the components to the Star Saber sword, armed with his masterful control over all uses of [[energon]], and ability to manipulate [[spark]]s.

[[Image:Clubcombinercarving.jpg|200px|thumb|They drew his limbs arranged incorrectly!]]
The [[Caretaker]] told its components that Nexus Prime was "designated a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]", like the other original thirteen. {{storylink|Crossing Over: Part 6}}

When Landquake, Breakaway, Topspin, and Heatwave made an attempt to use their powers to revive the recently assassinated [[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]], they were transported—along with a revived Skyfall—to the presence of [[Primus]] in the "afterlife". He gave them a choice of living (or staying dead) as they were, or being reborn as what they were meant to be. After the gestalt members made their deliberations, Primus declared, "The choice is made. Arise, Nexus Prime," as they started the transformation. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 5}}

[[Image:OmegaDoomNexusPrimeGalvatron.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Behold the fingers my toy totally doesn't have!]]

Nexus Prime [[Reformatting|reformatted]] the dead Megatron into the powerful Galvatron, investing in him some of the power of the Thirteen. The two exited the Decepticon stronghold to counter [[Omega Doom]]'s offensive, but they were forced to split up when Doom launched a starkilling missile into Cybertron's sun. Though his Decepticon components protested leaving the battle, Nexus Prime knew saving this Cybertron's star system was of more immediate importance. Regardless, he was too late in stopping the missile, and its energies began to destroy the sun. Nexus began to concentrate.

Nexus returned to Cybertron triumphant, having used his own powers to negate those of the starkilling missile, and he made short work of Omega Doom, saving Galvatron in the nick of time. Though there was more on this Cybertron to do, such as finishing [[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]] once and for all, Nexus Prime knew he had to depart this universe. After saying goodbye to [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]], he entered a portal with [[Aquarius (SG)|Aquarius]], trusting fate to bring him to the correct destination. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 6}}

Nexus Prime and Aquarius traveled from world to world, but without finding what Nexus Prime was looking for. Eventually, the pair arrived on [[Primax 509.28 Epsilon|one universe]]'s [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], where they were attacked by a group of smaller Decepticons who thought they had an easy mark. Though Nexus Prime was unwilling to use his more supernatural powers, lest he draw unwanted attention towards himself, he was still able to easily beat their attackers. As they left the group of dazed Decepticons behind, Nexus Prime and Aquarius wandered through a Cybertronian marketplace. Finally, Nexus Prime began to drop hints about what [[Star Saber (Thirteen)|mysterious artifact]] he was looking for; he hadn't yet clued Aquarius in. Ultimately, Nexus Prime spotted a shipping container with an [[Elite Guard]] symbol on it. This unlocked a memory in the ancient Transformer, allowing him to determine their next destination. He and Aquarius vanished through another portal to yet another dimension. {{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 1}}

After several unspecified adventures, Aquarius ended up in Axiom Nexus and took charge of a shard of the Star Saber from a [[Chifumi Takahashi|courier]]. In exchange, he promised to help her get home. {{storylink|Transformers I.Q.#issue 48|Transformers I.Q. last issue review}} To their surprise, however, they ended up on the Cybertron of Aquarius's home reality. It soon became obvious that Nexus had transported them there in order to receive the [[Origin Matrix]], the fifth and final piece, from [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Mammoth]]. {{storylink|Transformers I.Q.#issue 54|Transformers I.Q. trivia bonus #12}} {{storylink|Falling into Place}}

[[File:AnotherLight-choppitychop.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|"...''Transformers: Prime'' will never make a dozen episodes about finding you."]]

While waiting for Nexus Prime's arrival, Ultra Mammoth confronted his negative counterpart [[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]], who was wielding the [[Terminus Blade]] on Earth. After the Origin Matrix inadvertently supercharged the Blade, Nexus Prime's components arrived in time to combine the Matrix with the other elements to reform the Star Saber. Prima's great sword severed the evil Magnus's arm, and Nexus Prime banished the insane Autobot to a dimension suitable for his temperament. With the Star Saber and Terminus Blade in hand, Nexus Prime set about undoing what damage he could from Magnus's abuse of the weapon. {{storylink|Restoration}}

In multidimensional space, Nexus Prime found he could not undo the destruction of universes already caused by the Terminus Blade. Aware that his actions would not be without consequences to himself, Nexus Prime brought the Saber and Blade together. He strengthened the existing walls between dimensions to prevent further inter-universe decay. He bolstered dying universes that had not yet succumbed to Ultra Magnus, hoping they might still survive. In the process, however, the strengthened walls could no longer support the fluidity of multiversal singularities. Nexus Prime felt himself and his fellow Thirteen splintering, existing as independent beings in each reality they manifested in, instead of thirteen singularities. {{storylink|Out of the One, Many}} In [[Primax -408.24 Epsilon|one universe]], Nexus Prime's individual components reconstituted themselves as a group of low-ranking Decepticons known as Heatwave, [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skytop]], [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landfall]], [[Breakaway (Classics)|Quakebreak]], and [[Topspin (Classics)|Spinaway]]. Although they retained their ability to combine, this "new" Nexus Prime was significantly less coordinated than his predecessor, and his components didn't believe the stories that they had once been some kind of multiversal guardian. {{storylink|Coalescence}}
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===Aligned continuity family===
====''The Covenant of Primus''====
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Nexus Prime was the seventh member of the Thirteen created by Primus with the purpose of fighting against and defeating Unicron. As the first and greatest combiner, he could separate himself into multiple independent components and combine them at will. Nexus, like his siblings who were created between [[Prima]] and [[The Fallen|Megatronus]], was balanced between the personalities of Primus and Unicron.

Nexus was part of the '''Free Agents''', which included [[Maccadam|Alchemist Prime]], [[Solus Prime]], and the [[Thirteenth Prime]]: capable of both direct battle and subtle attacks. As the Primes trained with each other, Solus created the [[Cyber Caliber]] for him, which could split into smaller swords. Nexus would follow Solus into the portal leading to Unicron, entering Unicron's body to harm him from within. All of Nexus' components struggled with the overpowering corruption of Unicron's Dark Energon, but the words of ''Thirteen'', "All Are One", would help him keep fighting. Eventually, Unicron was defeated and Nexus returned to Cybertron with his siblings.

As the [[Age of Primes]] began, Nexus devoted his time to his creative interests, having no interest in the politics of Prima's group. During the [[War of the Primes]], when the Primes came together to vote on whether [[Liege Maximo]]'s [[Farm]] should be shut down or not, Nexus voted with Prima to shut it down. Sometime later, Nexus would join Prima, [[Vector Prime]], [[Alpha Trion]], [[Micronus Prime]], and ''Thirteen'' in finding Megatronus after the death of Solus Prime. Nexus would take his Cyber Caliber when all the Primes visited the Farm, which led to infighting among the Primes.

Nexus Prime would survive the War of the Primes, but the memory of his existence would fade away into myth and legend. Several stellar cycles later, the five components of Nexus Prime -- [[Cannonspring]], [[Mainspring]], [[Pinion]], [[Clocker (Prime)|Clocker]], and [[Chaindrive]] -- would briefly reunite as Nexus Prime, giving [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] his sword. {{storylink|Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|The Covenant of Primus}}

====Aligned novels====
Known as the "Wizard of Forms", Nexus Prime was all about change and mutability. When standing alone, his body seemed to shift or be overlaid with ever-changing forms and combinations he might take. Powerful, proud, and frequently unpredictable even to those who knew him best, Nexus Prime was full of good humor and a bit of a prankster at times. He was the "mad experimenter" of the Thirteen and is fascinated by changing states of matter and the creation of new elements in solar forges. This shared affinity for creation led [[Solus Prime]], the "Maker" of the Thirteen, to have special feelings for Nexus, which in turn seemed to have earned him the enmity of [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] and [[Liege Maximo]].

Nexus Prime was last seen by Alpha Trion before the [[Age of Wrath]], taking custody of many of Solus Prime's creations, including the Cyber Caliber, the [[Chaos Edge]], the [[Blades of Time]], and the [[Omni Saber]].
The Omni Saber was a part of Nexus Prime's body, and he secreted the Cyber Caliber away inside his form as well before splitting himself into five component robots: Clocker, Mainspring, Chaindrive, Pinion, and Cannonspring.
Each component held a fraction of the Cyber Caliber within themselves and was also charged with guarding one of the Blades of Time. Only by assembling the Blades of Time and using them to open a gateway to the hollow [[Realm of the Primes|realm]] of Vector Prime could the Cyber Caliber be reassembled. The [[Star Saber (Thirteen)|Star Saber]] was believed to have been taken by Nexus Prime but was not in his possession during the [[Great Exodus]].

The sub-selves of Nexus Prime scattered throughout the colony worlds of Cybertron. They remained apart for so long that each forgot their true nature, and no longer recalled being part of Nexus Prime or the Thirteen. All but Cannonspring even forgot their duty to safeguard the Blades of Time and the Cyber Caliber. Clocker and Mainspring wound up on [[Velocitron]], where they remained slightly out of place as mechanics instead of the speed-driven racers who ruled the planet. Pinion ended up on [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]], assimilating well into the culture (perhaps because the Junkion way of constantly reusing materials appealed to the subconscious preference of Nexus Prime for change). Chaindrive found himself on Cybertron, and eventually became part of the Autobot resistance movement alongside [[Ultra Magnus (WFC)|Ultra Magnus]] and Alpha Trion after the Ark's departure. Cannonspring ended up in a crippled ship in Cybertron's deep orbit, until the prospector [[Axer (Prime)|Axer]] triggered some latent transwarp energy on board, transporting them both to Junkion. Cannonspring remained inert for over a million years inside his ship after it crashed.

Nexus Prime began to come together once more thanks to the Matrix, which directed Optimus Prime through space to the various colony worlds. As the Ark came to Velocitron, Optimus discovered two pieces of the Blades of Time and fatefully agreed to bring Clocker and Mainspring on the next leg of his journey when they asked. On Junkion, Prime encountered Pinion while recovering a third Blade, and the fourth was retrieved from Axer. Meanwhile, back on Cybertron, Alpha Trion and [[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]] concocted a method of sending a scout after Optimus Prime by keying residual Space Bridge energy to the signature of the Matrix. Instinctively, Alpha Trion decided Chaindrive was the proper choice, and he brought with him the fifth Blade. Once all five Blades and the other four components assembled on Junkion, the combined energy was enough to rekindle the inert Cannonspring, bringing him back to full functioning and allowing them to reassemble into Nexus Prime.

Displaying the ability to hold more weapons than an armory, Nexus Prime pulled forth both his Omni Saber and the Chaos Edge, and also passed the Cyber Caliber over to Optimus Prime. Although he refused to kill anyone, Nexus Prime essentially held off the Decepticons and the [[Star Seeker]]s for a time, on intimidation alone. As [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] and [[Thundertron]] left to pursue other goals, Nexus Prime reclaimed his swords and gave some last words of encouragement to Optimus Prime before splitting himself once more. Reduced to a new set of five protoforms, Nexus Prime vanished into space and the annals of history once more. {{storylink|Transformers: Exiles|Exiles}}

====''Prime'' cartoon====
According to legend, at the beginning of time, [[Unicron]] and [[Primus]] battled each other for eons, with neither side remaining victorious for long. Till, that is, Primus created the [[Thirteen]]. These Thirteen defeated Unicron and cast him into space. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 1}}
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===2005 IDW continuity===
{{first|[[Earthfall Part 3: The Mind Bomb|''Robots in Disguise'' #30]] (mentioned); [[The Crucible|#34]] (depicted)}}

[[File:OriginMyths-ThePrimes.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Love child of Silverbolt and Wheeljack.]]

In the primitive age that followed the departure of the [[Knights of Cybertron]], Nexus Prime joined his [[Thirteen Tribes|tribe]] with those of [[Solus Prime|Solus]], [[Vector Prime|Vector]], [[Maccadam|Alchemist Prime]] and [[Alpha Trion]] in [[Crystal City]]. Like the other four, he knew [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Onyx Prime]] but he himself was disgusted by Onyx's bestial horde and took time to become acclimated to them. He had a brother in the east who ruled his own kingdom. {{storylink|Origin Myths}} Nexus was the first recorded owner of the mysterious artifact known as the [[Enigma of Combination]]. He evidently chose to keep the artifact's true nature as a physical object a secret, with most believing the "Enigma" part of the name referred to a puzzle that had to be solved to allow for [[Combiner|combination]]. {{storylink|The Crucible}}

One evening, Vector Prime barged in on a meeting to announce the approach of Onyx and [[Liege Maximo|a crony]], as well as the news that [[Septimus Prime]] had perished and that [[The Fallen|the conqueror]] of [[Protihex|his lands]] was on the warpath across Cybertron. Despite Solus and Onyx's dismissal, Nexus felt Septimus had still been a Prime such as they were before he asked who Onyx's minion was, the newcomer introducing himself as Liege Maximo, who had also lost his lands to the army of [[Darklands|Darklanders]]. At Alpha Trion's urging, the Primes allowed Onyx and Liege Maximo into their alliance. When the time of battle came, Nexus wished to join his followers in combat but remained behind at Solus's urging. After the [[Titan (group)|Titans]] arrived, Onyx leapt into the fray only to recognize the enemy commander as his old friend Megatronus. Nexus was shocked at this development, before the eight Primes joined forces. In the aftermath, [[Arcee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Arcee]] expressed the belief that the alliance would attract Nexus's brother to him. {{storylink|Origin Myths}} Unbeknownst to the Primes, the 'bot they believed to be Onyx Prime was in fact a time-travelling Shockwave from ten million years in the future who had engineered the entire conflict to bring the Primes together as history recorded. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

[[File:RID34 enigma of combination.jpg|thumb|left|250px|My Enigma don't go to none if they're lowborn, hun.]]

Power turned Nexus into something of a git really, believing that all non-Primes should serve their Prime masters. {{storylink|The Crucible}} Among the members of his court was a [[Titan Master]] by the name of [[Infinitus]], who wholeheartedly believed in his master's elitist approach to social engineering. {{storylink|White Heat}} The Thirteen Primes ruled their planet peacefully until Liege Maximo and Megatronus conspired together, goaded on by Shockwave's machinations, and started the [[First Cybertronian Civil War]] via the murder of Solus Prime. While Megatronus fled Cybertron, Nexus and [[Quintus Prime|Quintus]] managed to restrain Maximo, before trying and exiling him aboard [[Vigilem]]. {{storylink|Heavy}} {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

Nexus allied himself with "Onyx Prime" during the war and used his [[Enigma of Combination]] to create the [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]]: humanoid Transformers combined with beasts. {{storylink|The Crucible}} [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]] found the whole concept disgusting and single-handedly slaughtered the Headmasters before coming after Nexus himself. Nexus sneered that Galvatron was a "lowborn" that couldn't kill him, and Galvatron responded by doing just that. The realization that a Prime could be killed by someone other than another Prime caused most of the remaining Primes to flee the planet. {{storylink|The Crucible}}

He was survived by Infinitus, who vowed to keep his master's teachings alive and eventually apply them to all of Cybertron–especially the parts about forced servitude to the Primes. {{storylink|White Heat}} Nexus's [[Titan (group)|Titan]], [[Devisiun (Titan)|Devisiun]], also survived the war and colonized [[Devisiun (planet)|a planet]] in honor of his master which the younger Shockwave eventually seeded with [[Ore-5]]. {{storylink|Ceremony|The Lost Colonies of Cybertron}}
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===''Prime Wars Trilogy'' cartoons===
[[Victorion]] claimed to only follow the will of Nexus Prime, though she admitted he hadn't given her any new guidance in some time. {{storylink|Desperate Actions}}

===''Power of the Primes'' marketing material===
Nexus Prime's [[Spark]] passed into the possession of one of the twelve [[Prime Master]]s; hidden within a suit of decoy armor, they safeguarded the abilities of the Primes until the present day. By uniting with a larger Transformer, the Prime Master could channel the powers of Nexus's Spark and grant them unique abilities that varied with each new partner. {{storylink|Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes}}

{{note|For a list of every permutation of Nexus Prime's abilities, see [[Prime Master/Combinations|this link]].}}

===''Cyberverse'' cartoon===
Nexus Prime was one of the [[Thirteen]]. {{storylink|Dweller In The Depths (Cyberverse)|Dweller In The Depths}} {{storylink|Silent Strike}} {{storylink|The Other One}}

Nexus Prime eventually passed, being buried with all of his worldly possessions on another planet. Following the [[Quintesson]] invasion of Cybertron, [[Grimlock (Cyberverse)|Grimlock]] and [[Arcee (Cyberverse)|Arcee]] grave-robbed him. {{storylink|The Immobilizers}}

===2019 IDW continuity===
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Nexus Prime, the holder of the Enigma of Combination, was one of the Thirteen Primes. {{storylink|Lord of Misrule: Sea of Rust I|Sea of Rust I}} It was said that Primus had created Nexus as a being of controlled chaos, introducing necessary change into Cybertronian society to prevent stagnation. {{storylink|Lord of Misrule: Enigmatic|Enigmatic}}

===''One'' film===
{{voiceactor|[[Manuel Pérez]] (Latin-American Spanish)}}
One of the original Thirteen Primes, Nexus Prime ruled alongside his fellows until the [[Quintesson]]s invaded Cybertron. When the Primes were directed by [[Sentinel Prime (One)|Sentinel]] to a meeting of Quintesson generals, they found it an ambush. Despite being caught off-guard, the Primes managed to turn the tide of the battle before Sentinel betrayed them, stabbing Nexus and using his weapon to slay several of the Primes. Fifty cycles later, the spirits of the Primes appeared before Orion Pax when he was bestowed the [[Matrix of Leadership]] and became [[Optimus Prime (One)|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|Transformers One (film)|One}}
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==Games==
===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
;'''Nexus Prime Core'''
[[File:Earth Wars Nexus Prime Core.jpg|thumb|upright=0.6]]

Nexus Prime's [[Prime Master#Transformers: Earth Wars|Prime Core]] (his "heart" as one of the primordial [[Thirteen|Thirteen Primes]]) fell to Earth under mysterious circumstances along with those of his siblings to become a hotly contested resource in the [[Earth Wars (conflict)|Earth Wars]]. {{storylink|Power of the Primes (Earth Wars)|Power of the Primes}}

*'''Effect:''' Additional damage to enemy [[Transformers: Earth Wars#Combiners|Combiner]]s. If the [[Transformers: Earth Wars#Standard Bots|Bot]] this Core is affixed to is deployed before your Combiner phase, your Combiner has increased attack power and damage negation.

[https://tfew.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/4733780017183-Prime-Cores-Bot Nexus Prime Core at Transformers: Earth Wars Wiki]

{{chargamestub|{{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars}}}}

===''Transformers Roleplaying Game''===
Nexus Prime was a stalwart ally of Prima and the first combiner. {{storylink|Transformers One Sourcebook}} At the dawn of history, Nexus Prime received the [[Enigma of Combination]]. Some historical texts instead remembered him instead as "Nexus Maximus", {{storylink|The Enigma of Combination}} his original name, {{storylink|Transformers One Sourcebook}} while some ancient humans knew him as {{w|Juno (mythology)|Juno}}. {{storylink|The Enigma of Combination}}

==Toys==
===''Cybertron'', ''Classics'', and ''Timelines''===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-NexusMaximus.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Remember to use the instructions! You don't want to put something in the wrong hole.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|[[Skyfall (Cybertron)#Cybertron|Skyfall]] ([[2005]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|[[Landquake (Timelines)#Timelines|Landquake]] ([[2006]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|[[Breakaway (Classics)#Classics|Breakaway]] ([[2007]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|[[Topspin (Classics)#Classics|Topspin]] ([[2008]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-sd|[[Heatwave (Timelines)#Timelines|Heatwave]] ([[2009]])}}</ul>
{{toydesigner|[[Dan Khanna]] (concept artist)}}

:Nexus Maximus is composed of his five team members, with Heatwave forming his central body component. His limbs' [[energon weapon]]s form his hands and feet. Conisisting of [[redeco]]s of components of the ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' combiners, Nexus Maximus, just like [[Superion Maximus]], [[Bruticus Maximus (Energon)|Bruticus Maximus]], and [[Constructicon Maximus]], features universal connection points for the limbs, allowing many different combinations and even swapping of limbs from different teams, in a fashion very similar to ''[[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]]'''s "[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)#1986 (Scramble City and Transformers 2010)|Scramble City]]"-type combiner teams. Unlike the other Maximus-style combiners, Nexus Maximus features four unique molds for his limb pieces, rather than two redecoed to fit both the legs and arms, due to him using both [[Destruction Team]] and [[Air Team]] molds. Whereas the individual components' robot modes still feature the same head sculpts as the ''Energon'' figures they're redecoed from, the combined form of Nexus Maximus himself was given an entirely new, unique head sculpt, which is an amalgamation of visual elements of its components' own heads: Skyfall's eyes, Landquake's chin, Breakaway's forehead, Topspin's "mohawk", and Heatwave's "ears".

:Nexus Maximus is the combined form of the first five [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] freebie toys, which were released over the span of five years.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/TFCCNexusMaximus/nexusmaximus.htm More information on Nexus Maximus at TFU.info]''
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===''Power of the Primes''===
[[File:TF-PotP-SDCC-2018-Throne-of-the-Primes-Nexus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
<ul class = "iconlist>{{Bp-m1|'''Throne of the Primes''' (Leader Class, [[2018]])}}</ul>
:*''Takara ID number'': '''PP-43'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': [[January 26]], [[2019]]
{{toydesigner|[[Marcelo Matere]] (throne designer, packaging artist)}}

:''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' Nexus Prime is a retool of the [[Maccadam#Power of the Primes|Alchemist Prime]]/[[Submarauder (G1)#Power of the Primes|Submarauder]] inner robot with a new [[Prime Master]] sigil/backpack, packaged in the [[Throne of the Primes#Toys|Throne of the Primes]] set.

:This toy has identical features to the other Prime Masters in the line. The [[Titan Master]]-like robot can store inside decoy armor or ride [[Size class|Legends Class]] figures in vehicle mode, and is fully compatible with toys from the previous ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' line. The "Power Swap" gimmick means its [[spark]] form can plug onto any decoy armor's weapon form (which has a [[5 mm post]] to be held by larger figures), Deluxe Class figures' chest armor, Voyager Class figures' bucklers, Leader Class figures' [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#Power of the Primes|Matrix]] (in place of their Matrix core), [[combiner]]s' torsos (in place of their [[Enigma of Combination]]), or the included [[Scepter of Sparks]] or [[Halo of Primus]] accessories. With the power of [[you]]r imagination, this bestows the Prime Master's [[Prime Master/Combinations|unique power]] on the larger figure.

:While Nexus is a retool of Alchemist Prime (gang-molded with his included Submarauder decoy armor), it is unknown what gang-molded decoy armor Nexus would have had as a hypothetical mass-retail Prime Master.

:This set debuted at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2018, and was later sold via [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] online. It was also available at general retail in Taiwan.
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==Notes==
[[File:NexusPrimeHead.jpg|thumb|upright=1.75|]]
*It's hard to say what toyline Nexus Prime is from, as Fun Publications' output hopped imprints twice over the course of his components' release. This was almost certainly an intentional move for the sake of the multiverse schtick, as Fun Pubs' contemporary convention-exclusive releases sported their in-house ''[[Transformers Timelines (franchise)|Timelines]]'' branding from the jump. To date, the only other instance of this phenomenon has been the ''[[Prime Wars Trilogy|Prime Wars]]''/''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (franchise)|War for Cybertron]]'' changeover straddler [[Orthia]].
*Nexus Prime's backstory bears a noticeable similarity to that of {{w|Voltron}}.
*Fun Publications stated at [[BotCon 2009]] that the official limb arrangement for Nexus Prime is that of the configuration in his instructions. With Landquake as the right arm, Breakaway as the left arm, Topspin as the right leg, and Skyfall as the left leg. Why he was depicted in a different arrangement in the caverns around the [[Caretaker]] no one knows.
*Ironically, despite being labeled as an Autobot, a majority of the Transformers that make up Nexus Prime are Decepticons, albeit ones that are [[Landquake (Timelines)|disenchanted by the Decepticon cause]], [[Topspin (Classics)|misled by deceitful leaders]], or [[Heatwave (Timelines)|a completely different kind of Decepticon]].
*Nexus Prime's TFCC magazine profile mentions that he "no longer has an [[alternate mode]]", due to being split apart for so long and then reassembled.
*With his components released one at a time, one per year, he's the combiner toy it took the longest to complete in an official capacity.
*Like other members of the Thirteen, Nexus was originally established as a [[multiversal singularity]] who existed as one being across all space and time, but that is [[Shroud|no longer the case]].
*Nexus Prime's head design has been subject to some confusion. The design is meant to invoke a superhero cowl (similiar to [[Batman]]), with his head covered in armor but his mouth exposed. However, the deco used for his mouth is almost completely black, making it difficult to see; as such, ''The Covenant of Primus'' interpreted his mouth area as a visor, his chin as a [[mouthplate]], and his actual eyes as forehead detail. It also interpreted the "fins" on the sides of his head, which were originally part of said "cowl", into Optimus Prime-esque antennae. Most subsequent incarnations have followed the Covenant interpretation; as a result, of this game of Chinese whispers, his big screen debut in ''[[Transformers One (film)|Transformers One]]'' bears almost no resemblance to his original design.
*[[Volcanicus (Cyberverse)|''Cyberverse'' Volcanicus]]'s head is based on the Covenant's Nexus Prime design, albeit with a mouth and chin-guard resembling Nexus's original design.

===Naming issues===
[[Fun Publications]] originally submitted the possible names '''Prime Nexus''' and '''Maximus Prime''' to [[Hasbro]] for the character (reflecting the fact that the character is a Prime in-fiction), Hasbro rejected these, apparently because they were feeling protective towards the use of the name Prime (despite previously having approved the fiction that named him a Prime, written by their own [[Forest Lee]]). Hasbro suggested merging the non-Prime segments of the two names instead... oops.

Apparently neither Hasbro nor Fun Publications did their research when naming Nexus Maximus, because there is another product which shares that name and was, as of [[May 24]], [[2009]], the top Google result (websites relating to this character have since surpassed it). While it is definitely a "toy", it is most assuredly not intended for ages 5 and up. According to the Fun Publications Club panel at [[BotCon 2009]], Hasbro did a search for the name with "safe search" on, causing them to not see... well, [http://www.edenfantasys.com/dildos/double-ended-dildos/nexus-maximus this]. '''NOTE: DEFINITELY NOT SAFE FOR WORK.'''

When he finally appeared in fiction, his name was, in fact, given as Nexus Prime, which makes much better sense story-wise but deprives us of many cheap and easy joke opportunities. [[Pete Sinclair]] posted an image on the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] forums of [[Aquarius (SG)|Aquarius]] blaming the "Nexus Maximus" name on a bad translation by [[Beta Maxx (RID)|Beta Maxx]]<ref>[https://tilallaremine.wordpress.com/2011/05/31/nexus-prime/ Definitely, definitely, *not* Nexus Maximus. Timelines Nexus Prime!] from 'Til All Are Mine blog. </ref>.

(The debate is still on as to whether Nexus Maximus constitutes a choking hazard.)

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Nexus Prime''' (ネクサスプライム ''Nekusasu Puraimu'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Jīng Tiān Wěi''' (经天纬)

==Gallery==
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NexusPrimeDanKhannaConcept.jpg|Original ''Timelines'' concept art
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==References==
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Nexus Prime

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[[Image:NexusPrimeflankedbyotherPrimes.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Insert batteries where?!]]
One of the [[Thirteen|original Thirteen Primes]], the wild and unpredictable '''Nexus Prime''' is the first [[combiner]]. He is the bearer of the immensely consequential [[Artifacts of the Primes|artifact]] known as the [[Enigma of Combination]] and the lord of [[Rarified Energon]]—the stuff of [[spark]]s themselves—granting him a variety of mysterious powers above and beyond many of his siblings. Nexus' go-to problem solving method of scattering himself to the four winds has often proved the cause of, and solution to, all of his and his resultant sub-selves' problems. He also has a habit of hoarding the legendary blades forged by his sister [[Solus Prime]] whether they belong to him or not, considering himself the safest pair(s) of hands. How much these antics relate to his reputation as the prankster of the Thirteen is up for interpretation. His fragments include:

*[[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]] (A-10 Thunderbolt II, left leg)— a deep space explorer with the ability to project [[Force field|forcefields]]
*[[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]] (anti-aircraft tank, right arm)— a disaffected soldier with the power to forge [[Energon weapon|energon weapons]] unaided
*[[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]] (fighter jet, left arm)— a mystical guardian with preternatural healing abilities
*[[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]] (helicopter, right leg)— a credulous refugee with the power to manipulate sparks
*[[Heatwave (Timelines)|Heatwave]] (armored personnel carrier, torso)— a cheerful technician with ability to "speak" machinery to life

Unlike many of his descendants, Nexus Prime is highly mutable and not beholden to a single set of components. In [[Aligned continuity family|a different universe]], Nexus instead split himself into:

*[[Clocker (Prime)|Clocker]]— a [[Velocitron]]ian racer
*[[Mainspring]]— a Velocitronian mechanic
*[[Chaindrive]]— an Autobot soldier
*[[Pinion]]— a [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] trader
*[[Cannonspring]]— a lost Cybertronian

Oh yeah, and he is responsible for [[Shroud|splintering]] himself and [[Multiversal singularity|his brethren]] across the [[Multiverse|multiverse]]. That was a pretty significant thing that happened.

He is sometimes, unfortunately, known as '''[[#Naming issues|Nexus Maximus]]'''.

==Fiction==
===Fun Publications===
When the Thirteen visited ancient Earth of some universal streams, Nexus Prime used a [[holomatter]] avatar which inspired the myth of the goddess Hera, trusted confidant of Zeus, who was [[Prima]]'s holomatter avatar. [[Vector Prime]] shared many fond memories with his siblings, including Nexus, and noted that there were universal streams where Nexus was known as Nexus [[Convoy (rank)|Convoy]].

Nexus Prime, Vector Prime, [[Alpha Trion]], and [[Solus Prime]] made the decision to split Nexus Prime into five pieces to conceal the location of the five fragments of Prima's [[Star Saber (Thirteen)|Star Saber]] sword, a weapon that could destroy star systems, from their evil brother [[The Fallen|Megatronus]]. Using the blade of the Star Saber, Nexus Prime was cut into five other robots: [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]], [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]], [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]], [[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]], and [[Heatwave (Timelines)|Heatwave]], who were subsequently scattered across the [[multiverse]] and lost to the ages. {{Storylink|Ask Vector Prime}}

But the skills of Nexus Prime are needed once again, and now that his components have been called together by Primus, he searches the multiverse for the components to the Star Saber sword, armed with his masterful control over all uses of [[energon]], and ability to manipulate [[spark]]s.

[[Image:Clubcombinercarving.jpg|200px|thumb|They drew his limbs arranged incorrectly!]]
The [[Caretaker]] told its components that Nexus Prime was "designated a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]", like the other original thirteen. {{storylink|Crossing Over: Part 6}}

When Landquake, Breakaway, Topspin, and Heatwave made an attempt to use their powers to revive the recently assassinated [[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]], they were transported—along with a revived Skyfall—to the presence of [[Primus]] in the "afterlife". He gave them a choice of living (or staying dead) as they were, or being reborn as what they were meant to be. After the gestalt members made their deliberations, Primus declared, "The choice is made. Arise, Nexus Prime," as they started the transformation. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 5}}

[[Image:OmegaDoomNexusPrimeGalvatron.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Behold the fingers my toy totally doesn't have!]]

Nexus Prime [[Reformatting|reformatted]] the dead Megatron into the powerful Galvatron, investing in him some of the power of the Thirteen. The two exited the Decepticon stronghold to counter [[Omega Doom]]'s offensive, but they were forced to split up when Doom launched a starkilling missile into Cybertron's sun. Though his Decepticon components protested leaving the battle, Nexus Prime knew saving this Cybertron's star system was of more immediate importance. Regardless, he was too late in stopping the missile, and its energies began to destroy the sun. Nexus began to concentrate.

Nexus returned to Cybertron triumphant, having used his own powers to negate those of the starkilling missile, and he made short work of Omega Doom, saving Galvatron in the nick of time. Though there was more on this Cybertron to do, such as finishing [[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]] once and for all, Nexus Prime knew he had to depart this universe. After saying goodbye to [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]], he entered a portal with [[Aquarius (SG)|Aquarius]], trusting fate to bring him to the correct destination. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 6}}

Nexus Prime and Aquarius traveled from world to world, but without finding what Nexus Prime was looking for. Eventually, the pair arrived on [[Primax 509.28 Epsilon|one universe]]'s [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], where they were attacked by a group of smaller Decepticons who thought they had an easy mark. Though Nexus Prime was unwilling to use his more supernatural powers, lest he draw unwanted attention towards himself, he was still able to easily beat their attackers. As they left the group of dazed Decepticons behind, Nexus Prime and Aquarius wandered through a Cybertronian marketplace. Finally, Nexus Prime began to drop hints about what [[Star Saber (Thirteen)|mysterious artifact]] he was looking for; he hadn't yet clued Aquarius in. Ultimately, Nexus Prime spotted a shipping container with an [[Elite Guard]] symbol on it. This unlocked a memory in the ancient Transformer, allowing him to determine their next destination. He and Aquarius vanished through another portal to yet another dimension. {{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 1}}

After several unspecified adventures, Aquarius ended up in Axiom Nexus and took charge of a shard of the Star Saber from a [[Chifumi Takahashi|courier]]. In exchange, he promised to help her get home. {{storylink|Transformers I.Q.#issue 48|Transformers I.Q. last issue review}} To their surprise, however, they ended up on the Cybertron of Aquarius's home reality. It soon became obvious that Nexus had transported them there in order to receive the [[Origin Matrix]], the fifth and final piece, from [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Mammoth]]. {{storylink|Transformers I.Q.#issue 54|Transformers I.Q. trivia bonus #12}} {{storylink|Falling into Place}}

[[File:AnotherLight-choppitychop.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|"...''Transformers: Prime'' will never make a dozen episodes about finding you."]]

While waiting for Nexus Prime's arrival, Ultra Mammoth confronted his negative counterpart [[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]], who was wielding the [[Terminus Blade]] on Earth. After the Origin Matrix inadvertently supercharged the Blade, Nexus Prime's components arrived in time to combine the Matrix with the other elements to reform the Star Saber. Prima's great sword severed the evil Magnus's arm, and Nexus Prime banished the insane Autobot to a dimension suitable for his temperament. With the Star Saber and Terminus Blade in hand, Nexus Prime set about undoing what damage he could from Magnus's abuse of the weapon. {{storylink|Restoration}}

In multidimensional space, Nexus Prime found he could not undo the destruction of universes already caused by the Terminus Blade. Aware that his actions would not be without consequences to himself, Nexus Prime brought the Saber and Blade together. He strengthened the existing walls between dimensions to prevent further inter-universe decay. He bolstered dying universes that had not yet succumbed to Ultra Magnus, hoping they might still survive. In the process, however, the strengthened walls could no longer support the fluidity of multiversal singularities. Nexus Prime felt himself and his fellow Thirteen splintering, existing as independent beings in each reality they manifested in, instead of thirteen singularities. {{storylink|Out of the One, Many}} In [[Primax -408.24 Epsilon|one universe]], Nexus Prime's individual components reconstituted themselves as a group of low-ranking Decepticons known as Heatwave, [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skytop]], [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landfall]], [[Breakaway (Classics)|Quakebreak]], and [[Topspin (Classics)|Spinaway]]. Although they retained their ability to combine, this "new" Nexus Prime was significantly less coordinated than his predecessor, and his components didn't believe the stories that they had once been some kind of multiversal guardian. {{storylink|Coalescence}}
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===Aligned continuity family===
====''The Covenant of Primus''====
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Nexus Prime was the seventh member of the Thirteen created by Primus with the purpose of fighting against and defeating Unicron. As the first and greatest combiner, he could separate himself into multiple independent components and combine them at will. Nexus, like his siblings who were created between [[Prima]] and [[The Fallen|Megatronus]], was balanced between the personalities of Primus and Unicron.

Nexus was part of the '''Free Agents''', which included [[Maccadam|Alchemist Prime]], [[Solus Prime]], and the [[Thirteenth Prime]]: capable of both direct battle and subtle attacks. As the Primes trained with each other, Solus created the [[Cyber Caliber]] for him, which could split into smaller swords. Nexus would follow Solus into the portal leading to Unicron, entering Unicron's body to harm him from within. All of Nexus' components struggled with the overpowering corruption of Unicron's Dark Energon, but the words of ''Thirteen'', "All Are One", would help him keep fighting. Eventually, Unicron was defeated and Nexus returned to Cybertron with his siblings.

As the [[Age of Primes]] began, Nexus devoted his time to his creative interests, having no interest in the politics of Prima's group. During the [[War of the Primes]], when the Primes came together to vote on whether [[Liege Maximo]]'s [[Farm]] should be shut down or not, Nexus voted with Prima to shut it down. Sometime later, Nexus would join Prima, [[Vector Prime]], [[Alpha Trion]], [[Micronus Prime]], and ''Thirteen'' in finding Megatronus after the death of Solus Prime. Nexus would take his Cyber Caliber when all the Primes visited the Farm, which led to infighting among the Primes.

Nexus Prime would survive the War of the Primes, but the memory of his existence would fade away into myth and legend. Several stellar cycles later, the five components of Nexus Prime -- [[Cannonspring]], [[Mainspring]], [[Pinion]], [[Clocker (Prime)|Clocker]], and [[Chaindrive]] -- would briefly reunite as Nexus Prime, giving [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] his sword. {{storylink|Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|The Covenant of Primus}}

====Aligned novels====
Known as the "Wizard of Forms", Nexus Prime was all about change and mutability. When standing alone, his body seemed to shift or be overlaid with ever-changing forms and combinations he might take. Powerful, proud, and frequently unpredictable even to those who knew him best, Nexus Prime was full of good humor and a bit of a prankster at times. He was the "mad experimenter" of the Thirteen and is fascinated by changing states of matter and the creation of new elements in solar forges. This shared affinity for creation led [[Solus Prime]], the "Maker" of the Thirteen, to have special feelings for Nexus, which in turn seemed to have earned him the enmity of [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] and [[Liege Maximo]].

Nexus Prime was last seen by Alpha Trion before the [[Age of Wrath]], taking custody of many of Solus Prime's creations, including the Cyber Caliber, the [[Chaos Edge]], the [[Blades of Time]], and the [[Omni Saber]].
The Omni Saber was a part of Nexus Prime's body, and he secreted the Cyber Caliber away inside his form as well before splitting himself into five component robots: Clocker, Mainspring, Chaindrive, Pinion, and Cannonspring.
Each component held a fraction of the Cyber Caliber within themselves and was also charged with guarding one of the Blades of Time. Only by assembling the Blades of Time and using them to open a gateway to the hollow [[Realm of the Primes|realm]] of Vector Prime could the Cyber Caliber be reassembled. The [[Star Saber (Thirteen)|Star Saber]] was believed to have been taken by Nexus Prime but was not in his possession during the [[Great Exodus]].

The sub-selves of Nexus Prime scattered throughout the colony worlds of Cybertron. They remained apart for so long that each forgot their true nature, and no longer recalled being part of Nexus Prime or the Thirteen. All but Cannonspring even forgot their duty to safeguard the Blades of Time and the Cyber Caliber. Clocker and Mainspring wound up on [[Velocitron]], where they remained slightly out of place as mechanics instead of the speed-driven racers who ruled the planet. Pinion ended up on [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]], assimilating well into the culture (perhaps because the Junkion way of constantly reusing materials appealed to the subconscious preference of Nexus Prime for change). Chaindrive found himself on Cybertron, and eventually became part of the Autobot resistance movement alongside [[Ultra Magnus (WFC)|Ultra Magnus]] and Alpha Trion after the Ark's departure. Cannonspring ended up in a crippled ship in Cybertron's deep orbit, until the prospector [[Axer (Prime)|Axer]] triggered some latent transwarp energy on board, transporting them both to Junkion. Cannonspring remained inert for over a million years inside his ship after it crashed.

Nexus Prime began to come together once more thanks to the Matrix, which directed Optimus Prime through space to the various colony worlds. As the Ark came to Velocitron, Optimus discovered two pieces of the Blades of Time and fatefully agreed to bring Clocker and Mainspring on the next leg of his journey when they asked. On Junkion, Prime encountered Pinion while recovering a third Blade, and the fourth was retrieved from Axer. Meanwhile, back on Cybertron, Alpha Trion and [[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]] concocted a method of sending a scout after Optimus Prime by keying residual Space Bridge energy to the signature of the Matrix. Instinctively, Alpha Trion decided Chaindrive was the proper choice, and he brought with him the fifth Blade. Once all five Blades and the other four components assembled on Junkion, the combined energy was enough to rekindle the inert Cannonspring, bringing him back to full functioning and allowing them to reassemble into Nexus Prime.

Displaying the ability to hold more weapons than an armory, Nexus Prime pulled forth both his Omni Saber and the Chaos Edge, and also passed the Cyber Caliber over to Optimus Prime. Although he refused to kill anyone, Nexus Prime essentially held off the Decepticons and the [[Star Seeker]]s for a time, on intimidation alone. As [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] and [[Thundertron]] left to pursue other goals, Nexus Prime reclaimed his swords and gave some last words of encouragement to Optimus Prime before splitting himself once more. Reduced to a new set of five protoforms, Nexus Prime vanished into space and the annals of history once more. {{storylink|Transformers: Exiles|Exiles}}

====''Prime'' cartoon====
According to legend, at the beginning of time, [[Unicron]] and [[Primus]] battled each other for eons, with neither side remaining victorious for long. Till, that is, Primus created the [[Thirteen]]. These Thirteen defeated Unicron and cast him into space. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 1}}
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===2005 IDW continuity===
{{first|[[Earthfall Part 3: The Mind Bomb|''Robots in Disguise'' #30]] (mentioned); [[The Crucible|#34]] (depicted)}}

[[File:OriginMyths-ThePrimes.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Love child of Silverbolt and Wheeljack.]]

In the primitive age that followed the departure of the [[Knights of Cybertron]], Nexus Prime joined his [[Thirteen Tribes|tribe]] with those of [[Solus Prime|Solus]], [[Vector Prime|Vector]], [[Maccadam|Alchemist Prime]] and [[Alpha Trion]] in [[Crystal City]]. Like the other four, he knew [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Onyx Prime]] but he himself was disgusted by Onyx's bestial horde and took time to become acclimated to them. He had a brother in the east who ruled his own kingdom. {{storylink|Origin Myths}} Nexus was the first recorded owner of the mysterious artifact known as the [[Enigma of Combination]]. He evidently chose to keep the artifact's true nature as a physical object a secret, with most believing the "Enigma" part of the name referred to a puzzle that had to be solved to allow for [[Combiner|combination]]. {{storylink|The Crucible}}

One evening, Vector Prime barged in on a meeting to announce the approach of Onyx and [[Liege Maximo|a crony]], as well as the news that [[Septimus Prime]] had perished and that [[The Fallen|the conqueror]] of [[Protihex|his lands]] was on the warpath across Cybertron. Despite Solus and Onyx's dismissal, Nexus felt Septimus had still been a Prime such as they were before he asked who Onyx's minion was, the newcomer introducing himself as Liege Maximo, who had also lost his lands to the army of [[Darklands|Darklanders]]. At Alpha Trion's urging, the Primes allowed Onyx and Liege Maximo into their alliance. When the time of battle came, Nexus wished to join his followers in combat but remained behind at Solus's urging. After the [[Titan (group)|Titans]] arrived, Onyx leapt into the fray only to recognize the enemy commander as his old friend Megatronus. Nexus was shocked at this development, before the eight Primes joined forces. In the aftermath, [[Arcee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Arcee]] expressed the belief that the alliance would attract Nexus's brother to him. {{storylink|Origin Myths}} Unbeknownst to the Primes, the 'bot they believed to be Onyx Prime was in fact a time-travelling Shockwave from ten million years in the future who had engineered the entire conflict to bring the Primes together as history recorded. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

[[File:RID34 enigma of combination.jpg|thumb|left|250px|My Enigma don't go to none if they're lowborn, hun.]]

Power turned Nexus into something of a git really, believing that all non-Primes should serve their Prime masters. {{storylink|The Crucible}} Among the members of his court was a [[Titan Master]] by the name of [[Infinitus]], who wholeheartedly believed in his master's elitist approach to social engineering. {{storylink|White Heat}} The Thirteen Primes ruled their planet peacefully until Liege Maximo and Megatronus conspired together, goaded on by Shockwave's machinations, and started the [[First Cybertronian Civil War]] via the murder of Solus Prime. While Megatronus fled Cybertron, Nexus and [[Quintus Prime|Quintus]] managed to restrain Maximo, before trying and exiling him aboard [[Vigilem]]. {{storylink|Heavy}} {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

Nexus allied himself with "Onyx Prime" during the war and used his [[Enigma of Combination]] to create the [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]]: humanoid Transformers combined with beasts. {{storylink|The Crucible}} [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]] found the whole concept disgusting and single-handedly slaughtered the Headmasters before coming after Nexus himself. Nexus sneered that Galvatron was a "lowborn" that couldn't kill him, and Galvatron responded by doing just that. The realization that a Prime could be killed by someone other than another Prime caused most of the remaining Primes to flee the planet. {{storylink|The Crucible}}

He was survived by Infinitus, who vowed to keep his master's teachings alive and eventually apply them to all of Cybertron–especially the parts about forced servitude to the Primes. {{storylink|White Heat}} Nexus's [[Titan (group)|Titan]], [[Devisiun (Titan)|Devisiun]], also survived the war and colonized [[Devisiun (planet)|a planet]] in honor of his master which the younger Shockwave eventually seeded with [[Ore-5]]. {{storylink|Ceremony|The Lost Colonies of Cybertron}}
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===''Prime Wars Trilogy'' cartoons===
[[Victorion]] claimed to only follow the will of Nexus Prime, though she admitted he hadn't given her any new guidance in some time. {{storylink|Desperate Actions}}

===''Power of the Primes'' marketing material===
Nexus Prime's [[Spark]] passed into the possession of one of the twelve [[Prime Master]]s; hidden within a suit of decoy armor, they safeguarded the abilities of the Primes until the present day. By uniting with a larger Transformer, the Prime Master could channel the powers of Nexus's Spark and grant them unique abilities that varied with each new partner. {{storylink|Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes}}

{{note|For a list of every permutation of Nexus Prime's abilities, see [[Prime Master/Combinations|this link]].}}

===''Cyberverse'' cartoon===
Nexus Prime was one of the [[Thirteen]]. {{storylink|Dweller In The Depths (Cyberverse)|Dweller In The Depths}} {{storylink|Silent Strike}} {{storylink|The Other One}}

Nexus Prime eventually passed, being buried with all of his worldly possessions on another planet. Following the [[Quintesson]] invasion of Cybertron, [[Grimlock (Cyberverse)|Grimlock]] and [[Arcee (Cyberverse)|Arcee]] grave-robbed him. {{storylink|The Immobilizers}}

===2019 IDW continuity===
[[File:SeaOfRustI-NexusPrime.jpg|thumb]]
Nexus Prime, the holder of the Enigma of Combination, was one of the Thirteen Primes. {{storylink|Lord of Misrule: Sea of Rust I|Sea of Rust I}} It was said that Primus had created Nexus as a being of controlled chaos, introducing necessary change into Cybertronian society to prevent stagnation. {{storylink|Lord of Misrule: Enigmatic|Enigmatic}}

===''One'' film===
{{voiceactor|[[Manuel Pérez]] (Latin-American Spanish)}}
One of the original Thirteen Primes, Nexus Prime ruled alongside his fellows until the [[Quintesson]]s invaded Cybertron. When the Primes were directed by [[Sentinel Prime (One)|Sentinel]] to a meeting of Quintesson generals, they found it an ambush. Despite being caught off-guard, the Primes managed to turn the tide of the battle before Sentinel betrayed them, stabbing Nexus and using his weapon to slay several of the Primes. Fifty cycles later, the spirits of the Primes appeared before Orion Pax when he was bestowed the [[Matrix of Leadership]] and became [[Optimus Prime (One)|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|Transformers One (film)|One}}
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==Games==
===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
;'''Nexus Prime Core'''
[[File:Earth Wars Nexus Prime Core.jpg|thumb|upright=0.6]]

Nexus Prime's [[Prime Master#Transformers: Earth Wars|Prime Core]] (his "heart" as one of the primordial [[Thirteen|Thirteen Primes]]) fell to Earth under mysterious circumstances along with those of his siblings to become a hotly contested resource in the [[Earth Wars (conflict)|Earth Wars]]. {{storylink|Power of the Primes (Earth Wars)|Power of the Primes}}

*'''Effect:''' Additional damage to enemy [[Transformers: Earth Wars#Combiners|Combiner]]s. If the [[Transformers: Earth Wars#Standard Bots|Bot]] this Core is affixed to is deployed before your Combiner phase, your Combiner has increased attack power and damage negation.

[https://tfew.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/4733780017183-Prime-Cores-Bot Nexus Prime Core at Transformers: Earth Wars Wiki]

{{chargamestub|{{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars}}}}

===''Transformers Roleplaying Game''===
Nexus Prime was a stalwart ally of Prima and the first combiner. {{storylink|Transformers One Sourcebook}} At the dawn of history, Nexus Prime received the [[Enigma of Combination]]. Some historical texts instead remembered him instead as "Nexus Maximus", {{storylink|The Enigma of Combination}} his original name, {{storylink|Transformers One Sourcebook}} while some ancient humans knew him as {{w|Juno (mythology)|Juno}}. {{storylink|The Enigma of Combination}}

==Toys==
===''Cybertron'', ''Classics'', and ''Timelines''===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-NexusMaximus.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Remember to use the instructions! You don't want to put something in the wrong hole.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|[[Skyfall (Cybertron)#Cybertron|Skyfall]] ([[2005]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|[[Landquake (Timelines)#Timelines|Landquake]] ([[2006]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|[[Breakaway (Classics)#Classics|Breakaway]] ([[2007]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|[[Topspin (Classics)#Classics|Topspin]] ([[2008]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-sd|[[Heatwave (Timelines)#Timelines|Heatwave]] ([[2009]])}}</ul>
{{toydesigner|[[Dan Khanna]] (concept artist)}}

:Nexus Maximus is composed of his five team members, with Heatwave forming his central body component. His limbs' [[energon weapon]]s form his hands and feet. Conisisting of [[redeco]]s of components of the ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' combiners, Nexus Maximus, just like [[Superion Maximus]], [[Bruticus Maximus (Energon)|Bruticus Maximus]], and [[Constructicon Maximus]], features universal connection points for the limbs, allowing many different combinations and even swapping of limbs from different teams, in a fashion very similar to ''[[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]]'''s "[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)#1986 (Scramble City and Transformers 2010)|Scramble City]]"-type combiner teams. Unlike the other Maximus-style combiners, Nexus Maximus features four unique molds for his limb pieces, rather than two redecoed to fit both the legs and arms, due to him using both [[Destruction Team]] and [[Air Team]] molds. Whereas the individual components' robot modes still feature the same head sculpts as the ''Energon'' figures they're redecoed from, the combined form of Nexus Maximus himself was given an entirely new, unique head sculpt, which is an amalgamation of visual elements of its components' own heads: Skyfall's eyes, Landquake's chin, Breakaway's forehead, Topspin's "mohawk", and Heatwave's "ears".

:Nexus Maximus is the combined form of the first five [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] freebie toys, which were released over the span of five years.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/TFCCNexusMaximus/nexusmaximus.htm More information on Nexus Maximus at TFU.info]''
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===''Power of the Primes''===
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<ul class = "iconlist>{{Bp-m1|'''Throne of the Primes''' (Leader Class, [[2018]])}}</ul>
:*''Takara ID number'': '''PP-43'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': [[January 26]], [[2019]]
{{toydesigner|[[Marcelo Matere]] (throne designer, packaging artist)}}

:''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' Nexus Prime is a retool of the [[Maccadam#Power of the Primes|Alchemist Prime]]/[[Submarauder (G1)#Power of the Primes|Submarauder]] inner robot with a new [[Prime Master]] sigil/backpack, packaged in the [[Throne of the Primes#Toys|Throne of the Primes]] set.

:This toy has identical features to the other Prime Masters in the line. The [[Titan Master]]-like robot can store inside decoy armor or ride [[Size class|Legends Class]] figures in vehicle mode, and is fully compatible with toys from the previous ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' line. The "Power Swap" gimmick means its [[spark]] form can plug onto any decoy armor's weapon form (which has a [[5 mm post]] to be held by larger figures), Deluxe Class figures' chest armor, Voyager Class figures' bucklers, Leader Class figures' [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#Power of the Primes|Matrix]] (in place of their Matrix core), [[combiner]]s' torsos (in place of their [[Enigma of Combination]]), or the included [[Scepter of Sparks]] or [[Halo of Primus]] accessories. With the power of [[you]]r imagination, this bestows the Prime Master's [[Prime Master/Combinations|unique power]] on the larger figure.

:While Nexus is a retool of Alchemist Prime (gang-molded with his included Submarauder decoy armor), it is unknown what gang-molded decoy armor Nexus would have had as a hypothetical mass-retail Prime Master.

:This set debuted at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2018, and was later sold via [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] online. It was also available at general retail in Taiwan.
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==Notes==
[[File:NexusPrimeHead.jpg|thumb|upright=1.75|]]
*It's hard to say what toyline Nexus Prime is from, as Fun Publications' output hopped imprints twice over the course of his components' release. This was almost certainly an intentional move for the sake of the multiverse schtick, as Fun Pubs' contemporary convention-exclusive releases sported their in-house ''[[Transformers Timelines (franchise)|Timelines]]'' branding from the jump. To date, the only other instance of this phenomenon has been the ''[[Prime Wars Trilogy|Prime Wars]]''/''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (franchise)|War for Cybertron]]'' changeover straddler [[Orthia]].
*Nexus Prime's backstory bears a noticeable similarity to that of {{w|Voltron}}.
*Fun Publications stated at [[BotCon 2009]] that the official limb arrangement for Nexus Prime is that of the configuration in his instructions. With Landquake as the right arm, Breakaway as the left arm, Topspin as the right leg, and Skyfall as the left leg. Why he was depicted in a different arrangement in the caverns around the [[Caretaker]] no one knows.
*Ironically, despite being labeled as an Autobot, a majority of the Transformers that make up Nexus Prime are Decepticons, albeit ones that are [[Landquake (Timelines)|disenchanted by the Decepticon cause]], [[Topspin (Classics)|misled by deceitful leaders]], or [[Heatwave (Timelines)|a completely different kind of Decepticon]].
*Nexus Prime's TFCC magazine profile mentions that he "no longer has an [[alternate mode]]", due to being split apart for so long and then reassembled.
*With his components released one at a time, one per year, he's the combiner toy it took the longest to complete in an official capacity.
*Like other members of the Thirteen, Nexus was originally established as a [[multiversal singularity]] who existed as one being across all space and time, but that is [[Shroud|no longer the case]].
*Nexus Prime's head design has been subject to some confusion. The design is meant to invoke a superhero cowl (similiar to [[Batman]]), with his head covered in armor but his mouth exposed. However, the deco used for his mouth is almost completely black, making it difficult to see; as such, ''The Covenant of Primus'' interpreted his mouth area as a visor, his chin as a [[mouthplate]], and his actual eyes as forehead detail. It also interpreted the "fins" on the sides of his head, which were originally part of said "cowl", into Optimus Prime-esque antennae. Most subsequent incarnations have followed the Covenant interpretation; as a result, of this game of Chinese whispers, his big screen debut in ''[[Transformers One (film)|Transformers One]]'' bears almost no resemblance to his original design.

===Naming issues===
[[Fun Publications]] originally submitted the possible names '''Prime Nexus''' and '''Maximus Prime''' to [[Hasbro]] for the character (reflecting the fact that the character is a Prime in-fiction), Hasbro rejected these, apparently because they were feeling protective towards the use of the name Prime (despite previously having approved the fiction that named him a Prime, written by their own [[Forest Lee]]). Hasbro suggested merging the non-Prime segments of the two names instead... oops.

Apparently neither Hasbro nor Fun Publications did their research when naming Nexus Maximus, because there is another product which shares that name and was, as of [[May 24]], [[2009]], the top Google result (websites relating to this character have since surpassed it). While it is definitely a "toy", it is most assuredly not intended for ages 5 and up. According to the Fun Publications Club panel at [[BotCon 2009]], Hasbro did a search for the name with "safe search" on, causing them to not see... well, [http://www.edenfantasys.com/dildos/double-ended-dildos/nexus-maximus this]. '''NOTE: DEFINITELY NOT SAFE FOR WORK.'''

When he finally appeared in fiction, his name was, in fact, given as Nexus Prime, which makes much better sense story-wise but deprives us of many cheap and easy joke opportunities. [[Pete Sinclair]] posted an image on the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] forums of [[Aquarius (SG)|Aquarius]] blaming the "Nexus Maximus" name on a bad translation by [[Beta Maxx (RID)|Beta Maxx]]<ref>[https://tilallaremine.wordpress.com/2011/05/31/nexus-prime/ Definitely, definitely, *not* Nexus Maximus. Timelines Nexus Prime!] from 'Til All Are Mine blog. </ref>.

(The debate is still on as to whether Nexus Maximus constitutes a choking hazard.)

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Nexus Prime''' (ネクサスプライム ''Nekusasu Puraimu'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Jīng Tiān Wěi''' (经天纬)

==Gallery==
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NexusPrimeDanKhannaConcept.jpg|Original ''Timelines'' concept art
NexusPrime-TFOnecardcropped.jpg|''One'' film
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==References==
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Galvatron (Cyberworld)

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Broadside: A bit more characterful

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{{Disambig3|Galvatron}}
:''Galvatron is a [[Decepticon]] from [[Transformers: Cyberworld (franchise)|Cyberworld]].''
[[File:Cyberworld Galvatron character reveal.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3|Probably running CheatEngine in the background.]]

Ol' '''Ron''' has been living on [[Cyberworld (location)|Cyberworld]] for so long that he don't really remember his old life. Heck, he don't even remember his ''name''. He has no interest in the conflicts and challenges raging over his world; he's content to live the simple life of a run-down scrap collector.

...Or at least, that's what he tells those who run into him. Truth is, this old bot knows ''exactly'' who he is; he's just been biding his time, waiting until he can lure in a victim with enough [[Energon]] for him to restore his full glory as '''Galvatron'''. And once he gets it, nothing's going to stop him from conquering this digital realm...

==Fiction==
===''Cyberworld'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[James Alexander]] (English)|[[Sebastian Llapur]] (Latin-American Spanish)}}

[[File:CyberworldEp11-Junkyard Ron.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1|Junkyard Ron: A Mad Max Story]]
Hiding out in the desert had forced Galvatron into the role of a scatterbrained, rusted old scrap collector, hiding out under the name of Ron, Galvatron found [[Optimus Prime (Cyberworld)|Optimus Prime]], [[Bumblebee (Cyberworld)|Bumblebee]] and [[Elita-1 (Cyberworld)|Elita-1]] as they tried to scope out [[Scorponok (Cyberworld)|Scorponok]], and held them at blaster-point. {{storylink|Game-a-Tron}} He questioned them about their goals, before a dust storm swept in, and he took them to the safety of his hut. He told them he remembered little of the past or of Cyberworld itself, but was impressed as Bumblebee bragged about how much energon the group had collected. As the storm cleared, he went outside to find his collection had been blown to the four corners, which Optimus Prime offered to gather back up as gratitude. While the three were separated, he attacked Bumblebee and Elita-1, draining them of their energon. Running into Optimus Prime, who had seen blaster shots in the distance, he feigned injury, and Optimus carried him back, only to find an injured Bee lying on the floor. Elita-1 burst in to try to warn him, but it was too late - Ron jumped him and drained all his energon. This boosted him back to full health, fixing up his rust and corrosion, and he declared to all that Galvatron was back, and ready to wreak havoc on Cyberworld. Optimus tried to attack him with his power-up, but it proved useless, with Galvatron draining and breaking the item. He transformed to dragon mode, torched his former shack, and took off. {{storylink|Oh Scrap!}}

{{ongoing}}

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==Toys==
===''Cyberworld''===
[[File:TF-Cyberworld-Galvatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|This is Texas! And my opinion is the only one that counts.]]
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<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Galvatron''' (Armored Cyber Changer, 2025)}}</ul>
:*''Environment'': Desert
:*''Accessories'': Flame blaster cannon, 2 blast effects, tail

: Released in the first wave of ''[[Transformers: Cyberworld (toyline)|Cyberworld]]'' Armored Cyber Changers, Galvatron transforms from a roughly 4-inch tall robot to a 'Junkion dragon' in four steps. He comes with a large gear-activated flame blaster that spreads the blaster points apart. The flame effects are attached via 5 mm pegs and can be removed from the cannon. The tip of the smaller gun barrel revealed when the flames are retracted is also blast effect compatible. Additionally, his tail comes off for use as a handheld weapon.

: Like other Cyber Changers, he has limited articulation, in the shoulders, hips, and knees. His dragon mode features a movable lower jaw.

: Galvatron is an amalgam of various Junkion traits, starting with the [[facial hair]] and including [[Scrapheap (G1)|Scrapheap's]] smokestacked shoulders, [[Junkyard (G1)|Junkyard]]'s rib-piping, and spiked kneepads that belong to several Junkion designs. All this, the dragon mode, and the gray/blue coloring give the mistaken impression that he's a chimera of various takes on [[Scourge (disambiguation)|Scourge]].

==Notes==
*To preserve the twist of his identity, Galvatron's name is given in the credits of ''Cyberworld'' episodes 11 and 12 as '''Junkyard Ron'''.
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