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Talk:Depth Charge (BW)

2010-07-29T08:16:02Z

Buddy: /* Beast Wasr Metals Tampograph */

==Beast Wars Metals Tampograph==

The section here about the Beast Wars Metals toy is incorrect. Depth Charge, unlike most other metals toys, maintains the same tampograph as his Hasbro counterpart. Also, the tampograph (in both the Hasbro and Takara versions) reads "Depthcharge", not "Depth Charge". [[User:Buddy|Buddy]] 04:15, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

How about a blurb in his Animated series sumery about how he often mistakenly tracked Dinobot II due to the shared spark? [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 00:06, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

There needs to be a mention here of his Cybershark drone/rifle. [[User:Iron Moose|Iron Moose]] 22:25, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Could someone replace the caption underneath Depth charge's pic? It really isn't that funny at all. I don't care what it is changed to but right now it is pretty lame
: No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:43, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

And why not?

*It's a running gag in Walky's "Shortpacked" webcomic, which is popular amongst the Transformer fandom. In regards to the caption, I think it's more a battle of wills at this point, personally. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:06, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

*I've never even heard of that. Perhaps if someone could post a link or put an explanation what you are talking about?--[[User:Shadowscribe]] 13:19, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

** [http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20060918.html Try here] and [http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20060821.html Here]. Those are just a few of the strips. I didn't even know SHortpacked existed until about a year ago, too. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

*I'm currently trying to get another picture up. I put the previous picture down near the section about the comic since the picture is not from the show and is from the comic. I am trying to bring up a picture of his CGI model from the actual show.--[[User:Shadowscribe]] 13:24, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

*I put up a pic of depth charge as a CGI model. Feel free to change the caption below. However I would like to keep the picture as is because people should be able to see him as he was in Beast wars. Also the previous picture is still their near the comics section so I don't see why anyone should complain.--[[User:Shadowscribe]] 13:33, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

== Headline text ==

==Minor clean-up request==

"As Depth Charge attempted to shove an Energon spike into Rampage's spark, Rampage released Depth Charge's hands and laughed maniacally as he allowed his rival to destroy the both of them. His reasons for this are unknown. Some fans believe Rampage was using Depth Charge's own obsession with him to manipulate and corrupt him, with this scenario the ultimate test to see just how far the Maximal would go to claim "justice" over him."

This paragraph is a little awkward to read. It's been a long time since I've seen this episode, so I think I can approach this from the viewpoint of somebody using the article alone to imagine what went on. It seems as though Rampage was holding Depth Charge down when he stabbed Rampage with the spike. Presumably this would result in an explosion, especially given that this was a Big Dramatic End Of Series Death. However, Rampage releases Depth Charge. "His reasons for this are unknown" could refer to this release, but it could also refer to Rampage's maniacal laughter in the preceding sentence. It could ALSO refer to Depth Charge apparently staying present for the death (see it to the end; be sure Rampage died) rather than attempting to escape and survive.

Could somebody with ready access to the episode clean it up, please?

Also, I changed the quote immediately prior to use Derik's new [[Template:Quote|template]], but I left the "where" unfilled as I wasn't exactly sure which episode this is from. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 09:55, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

:Wikipedia has a second type of quote template designed to float left or right (like a photo) sso that text wraps around it. This seems like a good place for that, is there interest in porting it over? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:52, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

:I know which episode that scene is from -- [[Nemesis Part 1]]. I'll add it now. -- [[User:Hwin|Hwin]] 23:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

== Caption ==

Cool, my friend makes these funny captions on DA, his account is EKMKE he is SO funny, could we put his captions up here??

:NO.

:Changing captions is NOT allowed.

:(Can I leave a "sign your posts" template on his talk page?) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:00, 9 September 2009 (EDT)
::Can you chill just a bit?--[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:25, 9 September 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Depth Charge (BW)

2010-07-29T08:15:30Z

Buddy:

==Beast Wasr Metals Tampograph==

The section here about the Beast Wars Metals toy is incorrect. Depth Charge, unlike most other metals toys, maintains the same tampograph as his Hasbro counterpart. Also, the tampograph (in both the Hasbro and Takara versions) reads "Depthcharge", not "Depth Charge". [[User:Buddy|Buddy]] 04:15, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

How about a blurb in his Animated series sumery about how he often mistakenly tracked Dinobot II due to the shared spark? [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 00:06, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

There needs to be a mention here of his Cybershark drone/rifle. [[User:Iron Moose|Iron Moose]] 22:25, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Could someone replace the caption underneath Depth charge's pic? It really isn't that funny at all. I don't care what it is changed to but right now it is pretty lame
: No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:43, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

And why not?

*It's a running gag in Walky's "Shortpacked" webcomic, which is popular amongst the Transformer fandom. In regards to the caption, I think it's more a battle of wills at this point, personally. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:06, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

*I've never even heard of that. Perhaps if someone could post a link or put an explanation what you are talking about?--[[User:Shadowscribe]] 13:19, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

** [http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20060918.html Try here] and [http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20060821.html Here]. Those are just a few of the strips. I didn't even know SHortpacked existed until about a year ago, too. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

*I'm currently trying to get another picture up. I put the previous picture down near the section about the comic since the picture is not from the show and is from the comic. I am trying to bring up a picture of his CGI model from the actual show.--[[User:Shadowscribe]] 13:24, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

*I put up a pic of depth charge as a CGI model. Feel free to change the caption below. However I would like to keep the picture as is because people should be able to see him as he was in Beast wars. Also the previous picture is still their near the comics section so I don't see why anyone should complain.--[[User:Shadowscribe]] 13:33, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

==Minor clean-up request==

"As Depth Charge attempted to shove an Energon spike into Rampage's spark, Rampage released Depth Charge's hands and laughed maniacally as he allowed his rival to destroy the both of them. His reasons for this are unknown. Some fans believe Rampage was using Depth Charge's own obsession with him to manipulate and corrupt him, with this scenario the ultimate test to see just how far the Maximal would go to claim "justice" over him."

This paragraph is a little awkward to read. It's been a long time since I've seen this episode, so I think I can approach this from the viewpoint of somebody using the article alone to imagine what went on. It seems as though Rampage was holding Depth Charge down when he stabbed Rampage with the spike. Presumably this would result in an explosion, especially given that this was a Big Dramatic End Of Series Death. However, Rampage releases Depth Charge. "His reasons for this are unknown" could refer to this release, but it could also refer to Rampage's maniacal laughter in the preceding sentence. It could ALSO refer to Depth Charge apparently staying present for the death (see it to the end; be sure Rampage died) rather than attempting to escape and survive.

Could somebody with ready access to the episode clean it up, please?

Also, I changed the quote immediately prior to use Derik's new [[Template:Quote|template]], but I left the "where" unfilled as I wasn't exactly sure which episode this is from. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 09:55, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

:Wikipedia has a second type of quote template designed to float left or right (like a photo) sso that text wraps around it. This seems like a good place for that, is there interest in porting it over? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:52, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

:I know which episode that scene is from -- [[Nemesis Part 1]]. I'll add it now. -- [[User:Hwin|Hwin]] 23:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

== Caption ==

Cool, my friend makes these funny captions on DA, his account is EKMKE he is SO funny, could we put his captions up here??

:NO.

:Changing captions is NOT allowed.

:(Can I leave a "sign your posts" template on his talk page?) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:00, 9 September 2009 (EDT)
::Can you chill just a bit?--[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:25, 9 September 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Airazor (BW)

2010-06-03T08:15:47Z

Buddy: /* Conflict in story? */

dood is sleaping with airazor lyke sleaping with a byrd if you know

:Tigatron slept with Airazor in a Vok spaceship. They gave birth to a rapidly-maturing freak show named Tigarhawk ;) - [[User:Doogles|Doogles]] 22:12, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

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[http://www.dvandom.com/bb99/11convoy.GIF]
Here's a good picture of Metals manga Airazor, but I feel bad just stealing it from DVD's site. Also, I've been told that there are some better pictures, though this one seems fine (with cropping). Anybody else have scans they can contribute? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:56, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Added one of my own, though that one might be better. I just didn't feel like photoshopping. Made a brief manga summary with a footnote about proper continuity. I really don't think the Metals manga is in-continuity with the TV series, juding by character redesigns, alternate tellings of storylines and overall wackyness.--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 07:08, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

:Speng? You have the Metals Mangas? I've been lookign for scans for years. ^_^; -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

:No, I'm afraid not. :( I've only *seen* random scans. I know mostly that the manga was a comedy-relief effort much like BWII (why the Japanese insisted on interjecting comedy into Beast Wars I haven't a fucking clue), filled with lots of bad and goofy character redesigns. Tigartron wore samurai garb, Rattrap was turned into Pikachu, Cheetor was...totally fucking wierd-looking, etc. This site is the best I can do for scans at the moment: http://www.dvandom.com/bb99.html I am forever monitoring eBay, waiting to pounce on the first Beast Wars manga that shows up (so far all I've ever seen are guide books). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:44, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
::I totally have to upload one of those Pikatrap images. Absolutely ''hilarious''. And not in a good way. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 20:52, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

== Transphobia ==

Can you remove the caption that reads "Tranny"? I thoroughly dislike transphobia as much as I dislike racism or homphobia. You wouldn't caption a picture of Tracks with the word "Queer", so no double standards.
: I don't think the "Tranny" is a problem. Most of the captions on the site are smart-aliky (sp?) or sarcastic. The "Tranny" mearly pokes fun at the fact that Airazor was Female in all of Hasbro's BW material, but was male in the Japanese dub or BW, and female in Japan's ''Beast Wars Metals'' manga. That's one character being either male or female in Japan depending which of the offical media you looked at. Even when Hasbro changed the gender of a TF (C Override), the change was kept constant (no Hasbro material with Override as a male). --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
::Haha. When I was reading the summary in recent changes, I thought it was referring to Transformers. Interesting to see that you proclaim "Double standards!" when you're obviously new here. You're also taking this too seriously. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 21:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
: However, feel free to change the caption on the basis that it's not at all funny, like most of the captions try to be. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 22:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

: <nowiki>*blinks*</nowiki> I wrote the caption in question. It's not transphopic, it's merely based ont he fact that Airrazor is a gender-bender, as well as the fact the annual TF fan-awards are caleld the Trannies. If you want to change it, go ahwad-- but you have to find
somethign funnier to put in its place. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:14, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

== Toy Name ==

Since the comic advertizing the Timelines toy says "Airazor", I'm going to get rid of the "Name may change" comment, if that's okay. --[[User:Pakiro|Pakiro]] 10:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
* To be fair, the BotCon 06 toys were advertised both as just their names and as their names with the Axalon or Darksyde prefix. Until we get a word on what she'll be called for sure, though, I think the entry can call her just plain Airazor. If we have to add a prefix later, t'ain't the end of the world. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

== Conflict in story? ==
BW never says the protoforms are -infant- transformers, they're the -crew- in protoform form. If they're the crew they can't be newborns.
:Are you asking how Newborns could crew a ship? If so, the explanation comes from the preprogrammed life skills and common knowledge included in the Protoform's datatrax [[User:85.195.119.14|85.195.119.14]] 05:22, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

::Well, there is one big conflict. In Airazor's introduction, it's very explictly stated that she's a NEW SPARK, without any history or past. Hence Rhinox's whole 'when a spark comes online...' poetry. It's fairly safe to assume that Airazor's basic skills, etc, were programmed along with the statis pod, as Tigatron's should have been, though he expounds on why it wasn't. Seriously, people, WATCH the show - I'm looking at YOU FP! - [[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]]
:::It's Rhinox who believes it's a new spark, and he wouldn't know one stasis pod from another. There's probably no way he'd know that this was previously a sparkless protoform with someone else's spark in it, versus a normal sparked protoform. It would, however, require that most of the crew be new sparks for him to make this assumption, which is something that HAS been fucked with terribly by both FP and IDW. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:09, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
:::: Well, it could be argued that we actually see the spark come online, though I don't think that's part of the episode that's supposed to be literal. I suppose we could, for continuity's sake with FP, say that Rhinox was in error - but I would rather say that Rhinox (who pulled some spark miracles out of his own arse more than once) was correct, and FP's interpretation is just one of those 'alternate universe' things. -- [[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]]

::::: I like to view FP as an alternate universe just as much as anyone, so I'm not going to argue for the sake of that. But Rhinox never says that Airazor's spark recently came online. His "when a spark comes online" poetry was just exposition for the audience to know what a spark is. He also followed up with "when one is extinguished..." and shows the spark extinguishing. Are we to assume that this means Airazor died? Of course not. No specific mention of Airazor is even made in that scene. He was just explaining to Cheetor about sparks.

::::: Which leads into my next point. Cheetor is clearly younger, less knowledgeable, and less experienced than Tigatron, Airazor, Silverbolt, and Blackarachnia. Clearly, this means: 1) experience is something that has to be acquired over time (or else they would have just downloaded it into Cheetor), and 2) the stasis pod crew have at least been active longer than Cheetor.

::::: Also, the only protoform that wasn't damaged (thus causing memory loss) was Inferno's, and he was batshit insane (likely due to his shell program being swapped out mid-DNA scan). [[User:Buddy|Buddy]] 04:06, 3 June 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Airazor (BW)

2010-06-03T08:15:01Z

Buddy: /* Conflict in story? */

dood is sleaping with airazor lyke sleaping with a byrd if you know

:Tigatron slept with Airazor in a Vok spaceship. They gave birth to a rapidly-maturing freak show named Tigarhawk ;) - [[User:Doogles|Doogles]] 22:12, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

----
[http://www.dvandom.com/bb99/11convoy.GIF]
Here's a good picture of Metals manga Airazor, but I feel bad just stealing it from DVD's site. Also, I've been told that there are some better pictures, though this one seems fine (with cropping). Anybody else have scans they can contribute? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:56, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Added one of my own, though that one might be better. I just didn't feel like photoshopping. Made a brief manga summary with a footnote about proper continuity. I really don't think the Metals manga is in-continuity with the TV series, juding by character redesigns, alternate tellings of storylines and overall wackyness.--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 07:08, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

:Speng? You have the Metals Mangas? I've been lookign for scans for years. ^_^; -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

:No, I'm afraid not. :( I've only *seen* random scans. I know mostly that the manga was a comedy-relief effort much like BWII (why the Japanese insisted on interjecting comedy into Beast Wars I haven't a fucking clue), filled with lots of bad and goofy character redesigns. Tigartron wore samurai garb, Rattrap was turned into Pikachu, Cheetor was...totally fucking wierd-looking, etc. This site is the best I can do for scans at the moment: http://www.dvandom.com/bb99.html I am forever monitoring eBay, waiting to pounce on the first Beast Wars manga that shows up (so far all I've ever seen are guide books). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:44, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
::I totally have to upload one of those Pikatrap images. Absolutely ''hilarious''. And not in a good way. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 20:52, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

== Transphobia ==

Can you remove the caption that reads "Tranny"? I thoroughly dislike transphobia as much as I dislike racism or homphobia. You wouldn't caption a picture of Tracks with the word "Queer", so no double standards.
: I don't think the "Tranny" is a problem. Most of the captions on the site are smart-aliky (sp?) or sarcastic. The "Tranny" mearly pokes fun at the fact that Airazor was Female in all of Hasbro's BW material, but was male in the Japanese dub or BW, and female in Japan's ''Beast Wars Metals'' manga. That's one character being either male or female in Japan depending which of the offical media you looked at. Even when Hasbro changed the gender of a TF (C Override), the change was kept constant (no Hasbro material with Override as a male). --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
::Haha. When I was reading the summary in recent changes, I thought it was referring to Transformers. Interesting to see that you proclaim "Double standards!" when you're obviously new here. You're also taking this too seriously. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 21:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
: However, feel free to change the caption on the basis that it's not at all funny, like most of the captions try to be. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 22:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

: <nowiki>*blinks*</nowiki> I wrote the caption in question. It's not transphopic, it's merely based ont he fact that Airrazor is a gender-bender, as well as the fact the annual TF fan-awards are caleld the Trannies. If you want to change it, go ahwad-- but you have to find
somethign funnier to put in its place. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:14, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

== Toy Name ==

Since the comic advertizing the Timelines toy says "Airazor", I'm going to get rid of the "Name may change" comment, if that's okay. --[[User:Pakiro|Pakiro]] 10:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
* To be fair, the BotCon 06 toys were advertised both as just their names and as their names with the Axalon or Darksyde prefix. Until we get a word on what she'll be called for sure, though, I think the entry can call her just plain Airazor. If we have to add a prefix later, t'ain't the end of the world. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

== Conflict in story? ==
BW never says the protoforms are -infant- transformers, they're the -crew- in protoform form. If they're the crew they can't be newborns.
:Are you asking how Newborns could crew a ship? If so, the explanation comes from the preprogrammed life skills and common knowledge included in the Protoform's datatrax [[User:85.195.119.14|85.195.119.14]] 05:22, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

::Well, there is one big conflict. In Airazor's introduction, it's very explictly stated that she's a NEW SPARK, without any history or past. Hence Rhinox's whole 'when a spark comes online...' poetry. It's fairly safe to assume that Airazor's basic skills, etc, were programmed along with the statis pod, as Tigatron's should have been, though he expounds on why it wasn't. Seriously, people, WATCH the show - I'm looking at YOU FP! - [[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]]
:::It's Rhinox who believes it's a new spark, and he wouldn't know one stasis pod from another. There's probably no way he'd know that this was previously a sparkless protoform with someone else's spark in it, versus a normal sparked protoform. It would, however, require that most of the crew be new sparks for him to make this assumption, which is something that HAS been fucked with terribly by both FP and IDW. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:09, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
:::: Well, it could be argued that we actually see the spark come online, though I don't think that's part of the episode that's supposed to be literal. I suppose we could, for continuity's sake with FP, say that Rhinox was in error - but I would rather say that Rhinox (who pulled some spark miracles out of his own arse more than once) was correct, and FP's interpretation is just one of those 'alternate universe' things. -- [[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]]

::::: I like to view FP as an alternate universe just as much as anyone, so I'm not going to argue for the sake of that. But Rhinox never says that Airazor's spark recently came online. His "when a spark comes online" poetry was just exposition for the audience to know what a spark is. He also followed up with "when one is extinguished..." and shows the spark extinguishing. Are we to assume that this means Airazor died? Of course not. No specific mention of Airazor is even made in that scene. He was just explaining to Cheetor about sparks.

::::: Which leads into my next point. Cheetor is clearly younger, less knowledgeable, and less experienced than Tigatron, Airazor, Silverbolt, and Blackarachnia. Clearly, this means: 1) experience is something that has to be acquired over time (or else they would have just downloaded it into Cheetor), and 2) the stasis pod crew have at least been active longer than Cheetor.

::::: Also, the only protoform that wasn't damaged (thus causing memory loss) was Inferno's and he was batshit insane (likely due to his shell program being swapped out mid-DNA scan). [[User:Buddy|Buddy]] 04:06, 3 June 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Airazor (BW)

2010-06-03T08:14:39Z

Buddy: /* Conflict in story? */

dood is sleaping with airazor lyke sleaping with a byrd if you know

:Tigatron slept with Airazor in a Vok spaceship. They gave birth to a rapidly-maturing freak show named Tigarhawk ;) - [[User:Doogles|Doogles]] 22:12, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

----
[http://www.dvandom.com/bb99/11convoy.GIF]
Here's a good picture of Metals manga Airazor, but I feel bad just stealing it from DVD's site. Also, I've been told that there are some better pictures, though this one seems fine (with cropping). Anybody else have scans they can contribute? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:56, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Added one of my own, though that one might be better. I just didn't feel like photoshopping. Made a brief manga summary with a footnote about proper continuity. I really don't think the Metals manga is in-continuity with the TV series, juding by character redesigns, alternate tellings of storylines and overall wackyness.--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 07:08, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

:Speng? You have the Metals Mangas? I've been lookign for scans for years. ^_^; -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

:No, I'm afraid not. :( I've only *seen* random scans. I know mostly that the manga was a comedy-relief effort much like BWII (why the Japanese insisted on interjecting comedy into Beast Wars I haven't a fucking clue), filled with lots of bad and goofy character redesigns. Tigartron wore samurai garb, Rattrap was turned into Pikachu, Cheetor was...totally fucking wierd-looking, etc. This site is the best I can do for scans at the moment: http://www.dvandom.com/bb99.html I am forever monitoring eBay, waiting to pounce on the first Beast Wars manga that shows up (so far all I've ever seen are guide books). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:44, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
::I totally have to upload one of those Pikatrap images. Absolutely ''hilarious''. And not in a good way. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 20:52, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

== Transphobia ==

Can you remove the caption that reads "Tranny"? I thoroughly dislike transphobia as much as I dislike racism or homphobia. You wouldn't caption a picture of Tracks with the word "Queer", so no double standards.
: I don't think the "Tranny" is a problem. Most of the captions on the site are smart-aliky (sp?) or sarcastic. The "Tranny" mearly pokes fun at the fact that Airazor was Female in all of Hasbro's BW material, but was male in the Japanese dub or BW, and female in Japan's ''Beast Wars Metals'' manga. That's one character being either male or female in Japan depending which of the offical media you looked at. Even when Hasbro changed the gender of a TF (C Override), the change was kept constant (no Hasbro material with Override as a male). --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
::Haha. When I was reading the summary in recent changes, I thought it was referring to Transformers. Interesting to see that you proclaim "Double standards!" when you're obviously new here. You're also taking this too seriously. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 21:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
: However, feel free to change the caption on the basis that it's not at all funny, like most of the captions try to be. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 22:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

: <nowiki>*blinks*</nowiki> I wrote the caption in question. It's not transphopic, it's merely based ont he fact that Airrazor is a gender-bender, as well as the fact the annual TF fan-awards are caleld the Trannies. If you want to change it, go ahwad-- but you have to find
somethign funnier to put in its place. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:14, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

== Toy Name ==

Since the comic advertizing the Timelines toy says "Airazor", I'm going to get rid of the "Name may change" comment, if that's okay. --[[User:Pakiro|Pakiro]] 10:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
* To be fair, the BotCon 06 toys were advertised both as just their names and as their names with the Axalon or Darksyde prefix. Until we get a word on what she'll be called for sure, though, I think the entry can call her just plain Airazor. If we have to add a prefix later, t'ain't the end of the world. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

== Conflict in story? ==
BW never says the protoforms are -infant- transformers, they're the -crew- in protoform form. If they're the crew they can't be newborns.
:Are you asking how Newborns could crew a ship? If so, the explanation comes from the preprogrammed life skills and common knowledge included in the Protoform's datatrax [[User:85.195.119.14|85.195.119.14]] 05:22, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

::Well, there is one big conflict. In Airazor's introduction, it's very explictly stated that she's a NEW SPARK, without any history or past. Hence Rhinox's whole 'when a spark comes online...' poetry. It's fairly safe to assume that Airazor's basic skills, etc, were programmed along with the statis pod, as Tigatron's should have been, though he expounds on why it wasn't. Seriously, people, WATCH the show - I'm looking at YOU FP! - [[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]]
:::It's Rhinox who believes it's a new spark, and he wouldn't know one stasis pod from another. There's probably no way he'd know that this was previously a sparkless protoform with someone else's spark in it, versus a normal sparked protoform. It would, however, require that most of the crew be new sparks for him to make this assumption, which is something that HAS been fucked with terribly by both FP and IDW. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:09, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
:::: Well, it could be argued that we actually see the spark come online, though I don't think that's part of the episode that's supposed to be literal. I suppose we could, for continuity's sake with FP, say that Rhinox was in error - but I would rather say that Rhinox (who pulled some spark miracles out of his own arse more than once) was correct, and FP's interpretation is just one of those 'alternate universe' things. -- [[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]]

::::: I like to view FP as an alternate universe just as much as anyone, so I'm not going to argue for the sake of that. But Rhinox never says that Airazor's spark recently came online. His "when a spark comes online" poetry was just exposition for the audience to know what a spark is. He also followed up with "when one is extinguished..." and shows the spark extinguishing. Are we to assume that this means Airazor died? Of course not. No specific mention of Airazor is even made in that scene. He was just explaining to Cheetor about sparks.

::::: Which leads into my next point. Cheetor is clearly younger, less knowledgeable, and less experienced than Tigatron, Airazor, Silverbolt, and Blackarachnia. Clearly, this means: 1) experience is something that has to be acquired over time(or else they would have just downloaded it into Cheetor), and 2) the stasis pod crew have at least been active longer than Cheetor.

::::: Also, the only protoform that wasn't damaged (thus causing memory loss) was Inferno's and he was batshit insane (likely due to his shell program being swapped out mid-DNA scan). [[User:Buddy|Buddy]] 04:06, 3 June 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Airazor (BW)

2010-06-03T08:13:19Z

Buddy: /* Conflict in story? */

dood is sleaping with airazor lyke sleaping with a byrd if you know

:Tigatron slept with Airazor in a Vok spaceship. They gave birth to a rapidly-maturing freak show named Tigarhawk ;) - [[User:Doogles|Doogles]] 22:12, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

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[http://www.dvandom.com/bb99/11convoy.GIF]
Here's a good picture of Metals manga Airazor, but I feel bad just stealing it from DVD's site. Also, I've been told that there are some better pictures, though this one seems fine (with cropping). Anybody else have scans they can contribute? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:56, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Added one of my own, though that one might be better. I just didn't feel like photoshopping. Made a brief manga summary with a footnote about proper continuity. I really don't think the Metals manga is in-continuity with the TV series, juding by character redesigns, alternate tellings of storylines and overall wackyness.--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 07:08, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

:Speng? You have the Metals Mangas? I've been lookign for scans for years. ^_^; -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

:No, I'm afraid not. :( I've only *seen* random scans. I know mostly that the manga was a comedy-relief effort much like BWII (why the Japanese insisted on interjecting comedy into Beast Wars I haven't a fucking clue), filled with lots of bad and goofy character redesigns. Tigartron wore samurai garb, Rattrap was turned into Pikachu, Cheetor was...totally fucking wierd-looking, etc. This site is the best I can do for scans at the moment: http://www.dvandom.com/bb99.html I am forever monitoring eBay, waiting to pounce on the first Beast Wars manga that shows up (so far all I've ever seen are guide books). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:44, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
::I totally have to upload one of those Pikatrap images. Absolutely ''hilarious''. And not in a good way. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 20:52, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

== Transphobia ==

Can you remove the caption that reads "Tranny"? I thoroughly dislike transphobia as much as I dislike racism or homphobia. You wouldn't caption a picture of Tracks with the word "Queer", so no double standards.
: I don't think the "Tranny" is a problem. Most of the captions on the site are smart-aliky (sp?) or sarcastic. The "Tranny" mearly pokes fun at the fact that Airazor was Female in all of Hasbro's BW material, but was male in the Japanese dub or BW, and female in Japan's ''Beast Wars Metals'' manga. That's one character being either male or female in Japan depending which of the offical media you looked at. Even when Hasbro changed the gender of a TF (C Override), the change was kept constant (no Hasbro material with Override as a male). --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
::Haha. When I was reading the summary in recent changes, I thought it was referring to Transformers. Interesting to see that you proclaim "Double standards!" when you're obviously new here. You're also taking this too seriously. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 21:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
: However, feel free to change the caption on the basis that it's not at all funny, like most of the captions try to be. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 22:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

: <nowiki>*blinks*</nowiki> I wrote the caption in question. It's not transphopic, it's merely based ont he fact that Airrazor is a gender-bender, as well as the fact the annual TF fan-awards are caleld the Trannies. If you want to change it, go ahwad-- but you have to find
somethign funnier to put in its place. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:14, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

== Toy Name ==

Since the comic advertizing the Timelines toy says "Airazor", I'm going to get rid of the "Name may change" comment, if that's okay. --[[User:Pakiro|Pakiro]] 10:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
* To be fair, the BotCon 06 toys were advertised both as just their names and as their names with the Axalon or Darksyde prefix. Until we get a word on what she'll be called for sure, though, I think the entry can call her just plain Airazor. If we have to add a prefix later, t'ain't the end of the world. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

== Conflict in story? ==
BW never says the protoforms are -infant- transformers, they're the -crew- in protoform form. If they're the crew they can't be newborns.
:Are you asking how Newborns could crew a ship? If so, the explanation comes from the preprogrammed life skills and common knowledge included in the Protoform's datatrax [[User:85.195.119.14|85.195.119.14]] 05:22, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

::Well, there is one big conflict. In Airazor's introduction, it's very explictly stated that she's a NEW SPARK, without any history or past. Hence Rhinox's whole 'when a spark comes online...' poetry. It's fairly safe to assume that Airazor's basic skills, etc, were programmed along with the statis pod, as Tigatron's should have been, though he expounds on why it wasn't. Seriously, people, WATCH the show - I'm looking at YOU FP! - [[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]]
:::It's Rhinox who believes it's a new spark, and he wouldn't know one stasis pod from another. There's probably no way he'd know that this was previously a sparkless protoform with someone else's spark in it, versus a normal sparked protoform. It would, however, require that most of the crew be new sparks for him to make this assumption, which is something that HAS been fucked with terribly by both FP and IDW. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:09, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
:::: Well, it could be argued that we actually see the spark come online, though I don't think that's part of the episode that's supposed to be literal. I suppose we could, for continuity's sake with FP, say that Rhinox was in error - but I would rather say that Rhinox (who pulled some spark miracles out of his own arse more than once) was correct, and FP's interpretation is just one of those 'alternate universe' things. -- [[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]]

::::: I like to view FP as an alternate universe just as much as anyone, so I'm not going to argue for the sake of that. But Rhinox never says that Airazor's spark recently came online. His "when a spark comes online" poetry was just exposition for the audience to know what a spark is. He also followed up with "when one is extinguished..." and shows the spark extinguishing. Are we to assume that this means Airazor died? Of course not. No specific mention of Airazor is even made in that scene. He was just explaining to Cheetor about sparks.

::::: Which leads into my next point. Cheetor is clearly younger, less knowledgeable, and less experienced than Tigatron, Airazor, Silverbolt, and Blackarachnia. Clearly, this means: 1) that experience is something that has to be acquired over time(or else they would have just downloaded it into Cheetor), and 2) the stasis pod crew have at least been active longer than Cheetor.

::::: Also, the only protoform that wasn't damaged (thus causing memory loss) was Inferno's and he was batshit insane (likely due to his shell program being swapped out mid-DNA scan). [[User:Buddy|Buddy]] 04:06, 3 June 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Airazor (BW)

2010-06-03T08:11:21Z

Buddy: /* Conflict in story? */

dood is sleaping with airazor lyke sleaping with a byrd if you know

:Tigatron slept with Airazor in a Vok spaceship. They gave birth to a rapidly-maturing freak show named Tigarhawk ;) - [[User:Doogles|Doogles]] 22:12, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

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[http://www.dvandom.com/bb99/11convoy.GIF]
Here's a good picture of Metals manga Airazor, but I feel bad just stealing it from DVD's site. Also, I've been told that there are some better pictures, though this one seems fine (with cropping). Anybody else have scans they can contribute? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:56, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Added one of my own, though that one might be better. I just didn't feel like photoshopping. Made a brief manga summary with a footnote about proper continuity. I really don't think the Metals manga is in-continuity with the TV series, juding by character redesigns, alternate tellings of storylines and overall wackyness.--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 07:08, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

:Speng? You have the Metals Mangas? I've been lookign for scans for years. ^_^; -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

:No, I'm afraid not. :( I've only *seen* random scans. I know mostly that the manga was a comedy-relief effort much like BWII (why the Japanese insisted on interjecting comedy into Beast Wars I haven't a fucking clue), filled with lots of bad and goofy character redesigns. Tigartron wore samurai garb, Rattrap was turned into Pikachu, Cheetor was...totally fucking wierd-looking, etc. This site is the best I can do for scans at the moment: http://www.dvandom.com/bb99.html I am forever monitoring eBay, waiting to pounce on the first Beast Wars manga that shows up (so far all I've ever seen are guide books). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:44, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
::I totally have to upload one of those Pikatrap images. Absolutely ''hilarious''. And not in a good way. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 20:52, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

== Transphobia ==

Can you remove the caption that reads "Tranny"? I thoroughly dislike transphobia as much as I dislike racism or homphobia. You wouldn't caption a picture of Tracks with the word "Queer", so no double standards.
: I don't think the "Tranny" is a problem. Most of the captions on the site are smart-aliky (sp?) or sarcastic. The "Tranny" mearly pokes fun at the fact that Airazor was Female in all of Hasbro's BW material, but was male in the Japanese dub or BW, and female in Japan's ''Beast Wars Metals'' manga. That's one character being either male or female in Japan depending which of the offical media you looked at. Even when Hasbro changed the gender of a TF (C Override), the change was kept constant (no Hasbro material with Override as a male). --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
::Haha. When I was reading the summary in recent changes, I thought it was referring to Transformers. Interesting to see that you proclaim "Double standards!" when you're obviously new here. You're also taking this too seriously. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 21:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
: However, feel free to change the caption on the basis that it's not at all funny, like most of the captions try to be. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 22:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

: <nowiki>*blinks*</nowiki> I wrote the caption in question. It's not transphopic, it's merely based ont he fact that Airrazor is a gender-bender, as well as the fact the annual TF fan-awards are caleld the Trannies. If you want to change it, go ahwad-- but you have to find
somethign funnier to put in its place. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:14, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

== Toy Name ==

Since the comic advertizing the Timelines toy says "Airazor", I'm going to get rid of the "Name may change" comment, if that's okay. --[[User:Pakiro|Pakiro]] 10:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
* To be fair, the BotCon 06 toys were advertised both as just their names and as their names with the Axalon or Darksyde prefix. Until we get a word on what she'll be called for sure, though, I think the entry can call her just plain Airazor. If we have to add a prefix later, t'ain't the end of the world. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

== Conflict in story? ==
BW never says the protoforms are -infant- transformers, they're the -crew- in protoform form. If they're the crew they can't be newborns.
:Are you asking how Newborns could crew a ship? If so, the explanation comes from the preprogrammed life skills and common knowledge included in the Protoform's datatrax [[User:85.195.119.14|85.195.119.14]] 05:22, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

::Well, there is one big conflict. In Airazor's introduction, it's very explictly stated that she's a NEW SPARK, without any history or past. Hence Rhinox's whole 'when a spark comes online...' poetry. It's fairly safe to assume that Airazor's basic skills, etc, were programmed along with the statis pod, as Tigatron's should have been, though he expounds on why it wasn't. Seriously, people, WATCH the show - I'm looking at YOU FP! - [[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]]
:::It's Rhinox who believes it's a new spark, and he wouldn't know one stasis pod from another. There's probably no way he'd know that this was previously a sparkless protoform with someone else's spark in it, versus a normal sparked protoform. It would, however, require that most of the crew be new sparks for him to make this assumption, which is something that HAS been fucked with terribly by both FP and IDW. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:09, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
:::: Well, it could be argued that we actually see the spark come online, though I don't think that's part of the episode that's supposed to be literal. I suppose we could, for continuity's sake with FP, say that Rhinox was in error - but I would rather say that Rhinox (who pulled some spark miracles out of his own arse more than once) was correct, and FP's interpretation is just one of those 'alternate universe' things. -- [[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]]

::::: I like to view FP as an alternate universe just as much as anyone, so I'm not going to argue for the sake of that. But Rhinox never says that Airazor's spark recently came online. His "when a spark comes online" poetry was just exposition for the audience to know what a spark is. He never says the spark recently came online. He also followed up with "when one is extinguished..." and shows the spark extinguishing. Are we to assume that this means Airazor died? Of course not. No specific mention of Airazor is even made in that scene. He was just explaining to Cheetor about sparks.

::::: Which leads into my next point. Cheetor is clearly younger, less knowledgeable, and less experienced than Tigatron, Airazor, Silverbolt, and Blackarachnia. Clearly, this means: 1) that experience is something that has to be acquired over time(or else they would have just downloaded it into Cheetor), and 2) the stasis pod crew have at least been active longer than Cheetor.

::::: Also, the only protoform that wasn't damaged (thus causing memory loss) was Inferno's and he was batshit insane (likely due to his shell program being swapped out mid-DNA scan). [[User:Buddy|Buddy]] 04:06, 3 June 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Airazor (BW)

2010-06-03T08:10:52Z

Buddy: /* Conflict in story? */

dood is sleaping with airazor lyke sleaping with a byrd if you know

:Tigatron slept with Airazor in a Vok spaceship. They gave birth to a rapidly-maturing freak show named Tigarhawk ;) - [[User:Doogles|Doogles]] 22:12, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

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[http://www.dvandom.com/bb99/11convoy.GIF]
Here's a good picture of Metals manga Airazor, but I feel bad just stealing it from DVD's site. Also, I've been told that there are some better pictures, though this one seems fine (with cropping). Anybody else have scans they can contribute? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:56, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Added one of my own, though that one might be better. I just didn't feel like photoshopping. Made a brief manga summary with a footnote about proper continuity. I really don't think the Metals manga is in-continuity with the TV series, juding by character redesigns, alternate tellings of storylines and overall wackyness.--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 07:08, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

:Speng? You have the Metals Mangas? I've been lookign for scans for years. ^_^; -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

:No, I'm afraid not. :( I've only *seen* random scans. I know mostly that the manga was a comedy-relief effort much like BWII (why the Japanese insisted on interjecting comedy into Beast Wars I haven't a fucking clue), filled with lots of bad and goofy character redesigns. Tigartron wore samurai garb, Rattrap was turned into Pikachu, Cheetor was...totally fucking wierd-looking, etc. This site is the best I can do for scans at the moment: http://www.dvandom.com/bb99.html I am forever monitoring eBay, waiting to pounce on the first Beast Wars manga that shows up (so far all I've ever seen are guide books). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:44, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
::I totally have to upload one of those Pikatrap images. Absolutely ''hilarious''. And not in a good way. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 20:52, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

== Transphobia ==

Can you remove the caption that reads "Tranny"? I thoroughly dislike transphobia as much as I dislike racism or homphobia. You wouldn't caption a picture of Tracks with the word "Queer", so no double standards.
: I don't think the "Tranny" is a problem. Most of the captions on the site are smart-aliky (sp?) or sarcastic. The "Tranny" mearly pokes fun at the fact that Airazor was Female in all of Hasbro's BW material, but was male in the Japanese dub or BW, and female in Japan's ''Beast Wars Metals'' manga. That's one character being either male or female in Japan depending which of the offical media you looked at. Even when Hasbro changed the gender of a TF (C Override), the change was kept constant (no Hasbro material with Override as a male). --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
::Haha. When I was reading the summary in recent changes, I thought it was referring to Transformers. Interesting to see that you proclaim "Double standards!" when you're obviously new here. You're also taking this too seriously. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 21:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
: However, feel free to change the caption on the basis that it's not at all funny, like most of the captions try to be. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 22:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

: <nowiki>*blinks*</nowiki> I wrote the caption in question. It's not transphopic, it's merely based ont he fact that Airrazor is a gender-bender, as well as the fact the annual TF fan-awards are caleld the Trannies. If you want to change it, go ahwad-- but you have to find
somethign funnier to put in its place. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:14, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

== Toy Name ==

Since the comic advertizing the Timelines toy says "Airazor", I'm going to get rid of the "Name may change" comment, if that's okay. --[[User:Pakiro|Pakiro]] 10:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
* To be fair, the BotCon 06 toys were advertised both as just their names and as their names with the Axalon or Darksyde prefix. Until we get a word on what she'll be called for sure, though, I think the entry can call her just plain Airazor. If we have to add a prefix later, t'ain't the end of the world. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

== Conflict in story? ==
BW never says the protoforms are -infant- transformers, they're the -crew- in protoform form. If they're the crew they can't be newborns.
:Are you asking how Newborns could crew a ship? If so, the explanation comes from the preprogrammed life skills and common knowledge included in the Protoform's datatrax [[User:85.195.119.14|85.195.119.14]] 05:22, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

::Well, there is one big conflict. In Airazor's introduction, it's very explictly stated that she's a NEW SPARK, without any history or past. Hence Rhinox's whole 'when a spark comes online...' poetry. It's fairly safe to assume that Airazor's basic skills, etc, were programmed along with the statis pod, as Tigatron's should have been, though he expounds on why it wasn't. Seriously, people, WATCH the show - I'm looking at YOU FP! - [[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]]
:::It's Rhinox who believes it's a new spark, and he wouldn't know one stasis pod from another. There's probably no way he'd know that this was previously a sparkless protoform with someone else's spark in it, versus a normal sparked protoform. It would, however, require that most of the crew be new sparks for him to make this assumption, which is something that HAS been fucked with terribly by both FP and IDW. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:09, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
:::: Well, it could be argued that we actually see the spark come online, though I don't think that's part of the episode that's supposed to be literal. I suppose we could, for continuity's sake with FP, say that Rhinox was in error - but I would rather say that Rhinox (who pulled some spark miracles out of his own arse more than once) was correct, and FP's interpretation is just one of those 'alternate universe' things. -- [[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]]

::::: I like to view FP as an alternate universe just as much as anyone, so I'm not going to argue for the sake of that. But Rhinox never says that Airazor's spark recently came online. His "when a spark comes online" poetry was just exposition for the audience to know what a spark is. He never says the spark recently came online. He also followed up with "when one is extinguished..." and shows the spark extinguishing. Are we to assume that this means Airazor died? Of course not. No specific mention of Airazor is even made in that scene. He was just explaining to Cheetor about sparks.

::::: Which leads into my next point. Cheetor is clearly younger, less knowledgeable, and less experienced than Tigatron, Airazor, Silverbolt, and Blackarachnia. Clearly, this means: 1) that experience is something that has to be acquired over time(or else they would have just downloaded it into Cheetor), and 2) the stasis pod crew have at least been active longer than Cheetor.

::::: Also, the only protoform that wasn't damaged (thus causing memory loss) was Inferno's and he was batshit insane (likely due to his shell program being swapped out mid-DNA scan)[[User:Buddy|Buddy]] 04:06, 3 June 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Airazor (BW)

2010-06-03T08:10:26Z

Buddy: /* Conflict in story? */

dood is sleaping with airazor lyke sleaping with a byrd if you know

:Tigatron slept with Airazor in a Vok spaceship. They gave birth to a rapidly-maturing freak show named Tigarhawk ;) - [[User:Doogles|Doogles]] 22:12, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

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[http://www.dvandom.com/bb99/11convoy.GIF]
Here's a good picture of Metals manga Airazor, but I feel bad just stealing it from DVD's site. Also, I've been told that there are some better pictures, though this one seems fine (with cropping). Anybody else have scans they can contribute? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:56, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Added one of my own, though that one might be better. I just didn't feel like photoshopping. Made a brief manga summary with a footnote about proper continuity. I really don't think the Metals manga is in-continuity with the TV series, juding by character redesigns, alternate tellings of storylines and overall wackyness.--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 07:08, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

:Speng? You have the Metals Mangas? I've been lookign for scans for years. ^_^; -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

:No, I'm afraid not. :( I've only *seen* random scans. I know mostly that the manga was a comedy-relief effort much like BWII (why the Japanese insisted on interjecting comedy into Beast Wars I haven't a fucking clue), filled with lots of bad and goofy character redesigns. Tigartron wore samurai garb, Rattrap was turned into Pikachu, Cheetor was...totally fucking wierd-looking, etc. This site is the best I can do for scans at the moment: http://www.dvandom.com/bb99.html I am forever monitoring eBay, waiting to pounce on the first Beast Wars manga that shows up (so far all I've ever seen are guide books). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:44, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
::I totally have to upload one of those Pikatrap images. Absolutely ''hilarious''. And not in a good way. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 20:52, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

== Transphobia ==

Can you remove the caption that reads "Tranny"? I thoroughly dislike transphobia as much as I dislike racism or homphobia. You wouldn't caption a picture of Tracks with the word "Queer", so no double standards.
: I don't think the "Tranny" is a problem. Most of the captions on the site are smart-aliky (sp?) or sarcastic. The "Tranny" mearly pokes fun at the fact that Airazor was Female in all of Hasbro's BW material, but was male in the Japanese dub or BW, and female in Japan's ''Beast Wars Metals'' manga. That's one character being either male or female in Japan depending which of the offical media you looked at. Even when Hasbro changed the gender of a TF (C Override), the change was kept constant (no Hasbro material with Override as a male). --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
::Haha. When I was reading the summary in recent changes, I thought it was referring to Transformers. Interesting to see that you proclaim "Double standards!" when you're obviously new here. You're also taking this too seriously. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 21:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
: However, feel free to change the caption on the basis that it's not at all funny, like most of the captions try to be. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 22:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

: <nowiki>*blinks*</nowiki> I wrote the caption in question. It's not transphopic, it's merely based ont he fact that Airrazor is a gender-bender, as well as the fact the annual TF fan-awards are caleld the Trannies. If you want to change it, go ahwad-- but you have to find
somethign funnier to put in its place. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:14, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

== Toy Name ==

Since the comic advertizing the Timelines toy says "Airazor", I'm going to get rid of the "Name may change" comment, if that's okay. --[[User:Pakiro|Pakiro]] 10:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
* To be fair, the BotCon 06 toys were advertised both as just their names and as their names with the Axalon or Darksyde prefix. Until we get a word on what she'll be called for sure, though, I think the entry can call her just plain Airazor. If we have to add a prefix later, t'ain't the end of the world. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

== Conflict in story? ==
BW never says the protoforms are -infant- transformers, they're the -crew- in protoform form. If they're the crew they can't be newborns.
:Are you asking how Newborns could crew a ship? If so, the explanation comes from the preprogrammed life skills and common knowledge included in the Protoform's datatrax [[User:85.195.119.14|85.195.119.14]] 05:22, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

::Well, there is one big conflict. In Airazor's introduction, it's very explictly stated that she's a NEW SPARK, without any history or past. Hence Rhinox's whole 'when a spark comes online...' poetry. It's fairly safe to assume that Airazor's basic skills, etc, were programmed along with the statis pod, as Tigatron's should have been, though he expounds on why it wasn't. Seriously, people, WATCH the show - I'm looking at YOU FP! - [[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]]
:::It's Rhinox who believes it's a new spark, and he wouldn't know one stasis pod from another. There's probably no way he'd know that this was previously a sparkless protoform with someone else's spark in it, versus a normal sparked protoform. It would, however, require that most of the crew be new sparks for him to make this assumption, which is something that HAS been fucked with terribly by both FP and IDW. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:09, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
:::: Well, it could be argued that we actually see the spark come online, though I don't think that's part of the episode that's supposed to be literal. I suppose we could, for continuity's sake with FP, say that Rhinox was in error - but I would rather say that Rhinox (who pulled some spark miracles out of his own arse more than once) was correct, and FP's interpretation is just one of those 'alternate universe' things. -- [[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]]

::::: I like to view FP as an alternate universe just as much as anyone, so I'm not going to argue for the sake of that. But Rhinox never says that Airazor's spark recently came online. His "when a spark comes online" poetry was just exposition for the audience to know what a spark is. He never says the spark recently came online. He also followed up with "when one is extinguished..." and shows the spark extinguishing. Are we to assume that this means Airazor died? Of course not. No specific mention of Airazor is even made in that scene. He was just explaining to Cheetor about sparks.

Which leads into my next point. Cheetor is clearly younger, less knowledgeable, and less experienced than Tigatron, Airazor, Silverbolt, and Blackarachnia. Clearly, this means: 1) that experience is something that has to be acquired over time(or else they would have just downloaded it into Cheetor), and 2) the stasis pod crew have at least been active longer than Cheetor.

Also, the only protoform that wasn't damaged (thus causing memory loss) was Inferno's and he was batshit insane (likely due to his shell program being swapped out mid-DNA scan)[[User:Buddy|Buddy]] 04:06, 3 June 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Airazor (BW)

2010-06-03T08:06:36Z

Buddy: /* Conflict in story? */

dood is sleaping with airazor lyke sleaping with a byrd if you know

:Tigatron slept with Airazor in a Vok spaceship. They gave birth to a rapidly-maturing freak show named Tigarhawk ;) - [[User:Doogles|Doogles]] 22:12, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

----
[http://www.dvandom.com/bb99/11convoy.GIF]
Here's a good picture of Metals manga Airazor, but I feel bad just stealing it from DVD's site. Also, I've been told that there are some better pictures, though this one seems fine (with cropping). Anybody else have scans they can contribute? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:56, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Added one of my own, though that one might be better. I just didn't feel like photoshopping. Made a brief manga summary with a footnote about proper continuity. I really don't think the Metals manga is in-continuity with the TV series, juding by character redesigns, alternate tellings of storylines and overall wackyness.--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 07:08, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

:Speng? You have the Metals Mangas? I've been lookign for scans for years. ^_^; -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

:No, I'm afraid not. :( I've only *seen* random scans. I know mostly that the manga was a comedy-relief effort much like BWII (why the Japanese insisted on interjecting comedy into Beast Wars I haven't a fucking clue), filled with lots of bad and goofy character redesigns. Tigartron wore samurai garb, Rattrap was turned into Pikachu, Cheetor was...totally fucking wierd-looking, etc. This site is the best I can do for scans at the moment: http://www.dvandom.com/bb99.html I am forever monitoring eBay, waiting to pounce on the first Beast Wars manga that shows up (so far all I've ever seen are guide books). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:44, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
::I totally have to upload one of those Pikatrap images. Absolutely ''hilarious''. And not in a good way. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 20:52, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

== Transphobia ==

Can you remove the caption that reads "Tranny"? I thoroughly dislike transphobia as much as I dislike racism or homphobia. You wouldn't caption a picture of Tracks with the word "Queer", so no double standards.
: I don't think the "Tranny" is a problem. Most of the captions on the site are smart-aliky (sp?) or sarcastic. The "Tranny" mearly pokes fun at the fact that Airazor was Female in all of Hasbro's BW material, but was male in the Japanese dub or BW, and female in Japan's ''Beast Wars Metals'' manga. That's one character being either male or female in Japan depending which of the offical media you looked at. Even when Hasbro changed the gender of a TF (C Override), the change was kept constant (no Hasbro material with Override as a male). --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
::Haha. When I was reading the summary in recent changes, I thought it was referring to Transformers. Interesting to see that you proclaim "Double standards!" when you're obviously new here. You're also taking this too seriously. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 21:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
: However, feel free to change the caption on the basis that it's not at all funny, like most of the captions try to be. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 22:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

: <nowiki>*blinks*</nowiki> I wrote the caption in question. It's not transphopic, it's merely based ont he fact that Airrazor is a gender-bender, as well as the fact the annual TF fan-awards are caleld the Trannies. If you want to change it, go ahwad-- but you have to find
somethign funnier to put in its place. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:14, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

== Toy Name ==

Since the comic advertizing the Timelines toy says "Airazor", I'm going to get rid of the "Name may change" comment, if that's okay. --[[User:Pakiro|Pakiro]] 10:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
* To be fair, the BotCon 06 toys were advertised both as just their names and as their names with the Axalon or Darksyde prefix. Until we get a word on what she'll be called for sure, though, I think the entry can call her just plain Airazor. If we have to add a prefix later, t'ain't the end of the world. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

== Conflict in story? ==
BW never says the protoforms are -infant- transformers, they're the -crew- in protoform form. If they're the crew they can't be newborns.
:Are you asking how Newborns could crew a ship? If so, the explanation comes from the preprogrammed life skills and common knowledge included in the Protoform's datatrax [[User:85.195.119.14|85.195.119.14]] 05:22, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

::Well, there is one big conflict. In Airazor's introduction, it's very explictly stated that she's a NEW SPARK, without any history or past. Hence Rhinox's whole 'when a spark comes online...' poetry. It's fairly safe to assume that Airazor's basic skills, etc, were programmed along with the statis pod, as Tigatron's should have been, though he expounds on why it wasn't. Seriously, people, WATCH the show - I'm looking at YOU FP! - [[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]]
:::It's Rhinox who believes it's a new spark, and he wouldn't know one stasis pod from another. There's probably no way he'd know that this was previously a sparkless protoform with someone else's spark in it, versus a normal sparked protoform. It would, however, require that most of the crew be new sparks for him to make this assumption, which is something that HAS been fucked with terribly by both FP and IDW. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:09, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
:::: Well, it could be argued that we actually see the spark come online, though I don't think that's part of the episode that's supposed to be literal. I suppose we could, for continuity's sake with FP, say that Rhinox was in error - but I would rather say that Rhinox (who pulled some spark miracles out of his own arse more than once) was correct, and FP's interpretation is just one of those 'alternate universe' things. -- [[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]]

I like to view FP as an alternate universe just as much as anyone, so I'm not going to argue for the sake of that. But Rhinox never says that Airazor's spark recently came online. His "when a spark comes online" poetry was just exposition for the audience to know what a spark is. He never says the spark recently came online. He also followed up with "when one is extinguished..." and shows the spark extinguishing. Are we to assume that this means Airazor died? Of course not. No specific mention of Airazor is even made in that scene. He was just explaining to Cheetor about sparks. Which leads into my next point. Cheetor is clearly younger, less knowledgeable, and less experienced than Tigatron, Airazor, Silverbolt, and Blackarachnia. Clearly, this means: 1) that experience is something that has to be acquired over time(or else they would have just downloaded it into Cheetor), and 2) the stasis pod crew have at least been active longer than Cheetor. Also, the only protoform that wasn't damaged (thus causing memory loss) was Inferno's and he was batshit insane (likely due to his shell program being swapped out mid-DNA scan)[[User:Buddy|Buddy]] 04:06, 3 June 2010 (EDT)

User talk:Rosicrucian

2010-04-08T03:56:28Z

Buddy: /* Why'd you change the BW Silverolt page back? */

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== Why'd you change the BW Silverbolt page back?==

You changed the picture caption back to the rather uninspired "Watch out for my deadly spoons". Did you find the new caption I added unamusing? [[User:Buddy|Buddy]] 23:45, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

== GoBox Templates ==

Just out of curiosity, what program would I need to be able to read .psd files? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 07:53, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
:Photoshop, or a Photoshop-ish program like GIMP. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 10:10, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
::Pretty much what the man said. It's a Photoshop format, but a number of graphics programs can read it these days.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 10:59, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
:::And to think I just happen to have GIMP on my computer. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:38, 16 September 2009 (EDT)

== New vandal needs ban ==

[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/72.237.248.5 This guy] Thanks. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 13:53, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

== Anon vandal guy ==

[[Special:Contributions/200.97.215.168|200.97.215.168]] needs to be dealt with. I already nominated his spam for speedy deletion. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 06:33, 1 November 2009 (EST)
:And here he goes again. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 07:06, 1 November 2009 (EST)

==SG Bludgeon caption==
What is the caption you keep returning to SG Bludgeon, I don't recognize it as anything. I figures a nice Kid rock song quote would be more rcognizeable. [[Special:Contributions/207.181.17.24|207.181.17.24]] 20:27, 11 November 2009 (EST)
:It is wiki policy to revert when people are just changing other people's captions without adding content.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:50, 11 November 2009 (EST)
::Also, eyuw, Kid Rock. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:53, 11 November 2009 (EST)
:::Don't be hating on a Michigan boy. Besides, how is a retarded cowboy quote any good? Maybe I can find something from Ted Nugent for SG Carnivac (if he had a picture)...[[Special:Contributions/207.181.17.24|207.181.17.24]] 21:12, 11 November 2009 (EST)

== keys to the 'bot ==

I have been abyssally busy, and the linkfix 'bot has been broken since June. In theory I'm working on a ground-up re-code. In practice... the project is in someday-maybe territory. That's bad, our link-structure will start to get ragged.

I've rolled the [[User:Deceptitran|Deceptitran link-fix 'bot]] back to May of this year and gotten it working again. But since I've been '''crazy-busy''' I'm also giving you a copy of the keys. Go to the movelog in RecentChanges and you should now see the Deceptitran links are live. (The 'bot itself is protected by a server-login you'll have to give the first time you queue a link up per session. I'm PMing you the password for THAT on the Allspark messageboard. You will remain logged into Deceptitran for several hours.)

* The interface is a bit clumsy-- but also self-explanatory.
* Enjoy seeing the SQL-echos! They make my life easier when debugging.
* Queued fixes changes are executed at a rate of 1-per-minute 24/7.
* You can go into a job and remove specific pages by hand if necessary, or force them to edit-right-now with "do one edit"
* There is no 'pause' and no order; a linkfix is executed at random from the hundreds (or thousands) pending.
* If a link is in a template (like a franchise navigation) it will try to edit all the pages that include that template. (Null-edits,) That's wasteful... but who '''cares'''? Deceptitran can make 43,000 edits per month... wasting its time doesn't hurt anybody. (The template itself is also on the list of pages to fix that link on, so it'll get it eventually.)
* It '''does''' catch storylinks. It does '''not''' catch previous/next links in templates. (something to fix for the recode.)
* It '''will''' simply fail to fix some links. It always has. If it's IMPORTANT, double-check.
* If there are no pages-that-link-to-this, Deceptitran just sits there and gives you a blank page.
* You cannot queue up the same job (fix) twice without deleting the old one.
* Completed jobs must be removed by hand.

(You'll figure out the workflow-- tabs are your friend.)
I think that's all. I used to just go into the movelog and queue up recent page-moves twice a week... it shouldn't take more than about 3 minutes. (I picked you because you don't go around rearranging deckchairs.) If you think someone else should have access... let me know.

'''Statistically''', making arrangements like this probably means I'm going to suddenly find myself back on tfwiki more, rendering all this unnecessary. For problems, questions, or passive-aggressive statements... you can usually find me online @ my IM account, which is listed on my userpage. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:02, 21 November 2009 (EST)

==Hello, and goals==
I wanted to see about setting goals, rrather than randomly editing articles. I put them on my user page. Can I get feedback on them? [[User:Primal Rage|Primal Rage]] 12:27, 23 November 2009 (EST)

== Admin request ==

Hey, yellow-kid type!

Could you (or another admin, but it looks like you're around...) possibly add the following line to the very beginning of [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]? (So it's BEFORE the previous import?)
@import "/w2/index.php?title=User:Derik/Common_tmp.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css";
As a '''user''' CSS page, only I (or possibly an admin?) can edit it, so it's safe from most vandalism.

(The idea is to move styles that are semi-finalized off of ''my'' server's temp file so that if my server goes down the CSS is at least loading off of TFWiki. The link to my server's temp file remains for rapid-development purposes though.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:50, 29 December 2009 (EST)

User talk:Rosicrucian

2010-04-08T03:55:52Z

Buddy: /* Why'd you change the BW Silverolt page back? */

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== Why'd you change the BW Silverolt page back?==

You changed the picture caption back to the rather uninspired "Watch out for my deadly spoons". Did you find the new caption I added unamusing? [[User:Buddy|Buddy]] 23:45, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

== GoBox Templates ==

Just out of curiosity, what program would I need to be able to read .psd files? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 07:53, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
:Photoshop, or a Photoshop-ish program like GIMP. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 10:10, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
::Pretty much what the man said. It's a Photoshop format, but a number of graphics programs can read it these days.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 10:59, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
:::And to think I just happen to have GIMP on my computer. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:38, 16 September 2009 (EDT)

== New vandal needs ban ==

[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/72.237.248.5 This guy] Thanks. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 13:53, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

== Anon vandal guy ==

[[Special:Contributions/200.97.215.168|200.97.215.168]] needs to be dealt with. I already nominated his spam for speedy deletion. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 06:33, 1 November 2009 (EST)
:And here he goes again. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 07:06, 1 November 2009 (EST)

==SG Bludgeon caption==
What is the caption you keep returning to SG Bludgeon, I don't recognize it as anything. I figures a nice Kid rock song quote would be more rcognizeable. [[Special:Contributions/207.181.17.24|207.181.17.24]] 20:27, 11 November 2009 (EST)
:It is wiki policy to revert when people are just changing other people's captions without adding content.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:50, 11 November 2009 (EST)
::Also, eyuw, Kid Rock. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:53, 11 November 2009 (EST)
:::Don't be hating on a Michigan boy. Besides, how is a retarded cowboy quote any good? Maybe I can find something from Ted Nugent for SG Carnivac (if he had a picture)...[[Special:Contributions/207.181.17.24|207.181.17.24]] 21:12, 11 November 2009 (EST)

== keys to the 'bot ==

I have been abyssally busy, and the linkfix 'bot has been broken since June. In theory I'm working on a ground-up re-code. In practice... the project is in someday-maybe territory. That's bad, our link-structure will start to get ragged.

I've rolled the [[User:Deceptitran|Deceptitran link-fix 'bot]] back to May of this year and gotten it working again. But since I've been '''crazy-busy''' I'm also giving you a copy of the keys. Go to the movelog in RecentChanges and you should now see the Deceptitran links are live. (The 'bot itself is protected by a server-login you'll have to give the first time you queue a link up per session. I'm PMing you the password for THAT on the Allspark messageboard. You will remain logged into Deceptitran for several hours.)

* The interface is a bit clumsy-- but also self-explanatory.
* Enjoy seeing the SQL-echos! They make my life easier when debugging.
* Queued fixes changes are executed at a rate of 1-per-minute 24/7.
* You can go into a job and remove specific pages by hand if necessary, or force them to edit-right-now with "do one edit"
* There is no 'pause' and no order; a linkfix is executed at random from the hundreds (or thousands) pending.
* If a link is in a template (like a franchise navigation) it will try to edit all the pages that include that template. (Null-edits,) That's wasteful... but who '''cares'''? Deceptitran can make 43,000 edits per month... wasting its time doesn't hurt anybody. (The template itself is also on the list of pages to fix that link on, so it'll get it eventually.)
* It '''does''' catch storylinks. It does '''not''' catch previous/next links in templates. (something to fix for the recode.)
* It '''will''' simply fail to fix some links. It always has. If it's IMPORTANT, double-check.
* If there are no pages-that-link-to-this, Deceptitran just sits there and gives you a blank page.
* You cannot queue up the same job (fix) twice without deleting the old one.
* Completed jobs must be removed by hand.

(You'll figure out the workflow-- tabs are your friend.)
I think that's all. I used to just go into the movelog and queue up recent page-moves twice a week... it shouldn't take more than about 3 minutes. (I picked you because you don't go around rearranging deckchairs.) If you think someone else should have access... let me know.

'''Statistically''', making arrangements like this probably means I'm going to suddenly find myself back on tfwiki more, rendering all this unnecessary. For problems, questions, or passive-aggressive statements... you can usually find me online @ my IM account, which is listed on my userpage. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:02, 21 November 2009 (EST)

==Hello, and goals==
I wanted to see about setting goals, rrather than randomly editing articles. I put them on my user page. Can I get feedback on them? [[User:Primal Rage|Primal Rage]] 12:27, 23 November 2009 (EST)

== Admin request ==

Hey, yellow-kid type!

Could you (or another admin, but it looks like you're around...) possibly add the following line to the very beginning of [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]? (So it's BEFORE the previous import?)
@import "/w2/index.php?title=User:Derik/Common_tmp.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css";
As a '''user''' CSS page, only I (or possibly an admin?) can edit it, so it's safe from most vandalism.

(The idea is to move styles that are semi-finalized off of ''my'' server's temp file so that if my server goes down the CSS is at least loading off of TFWiki. The link to my server's temp file remains for rapid-development purposes though.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:50, 29 December 2009 (EST)

User talk:Rosicrucian

2010-04-08T03:45:43Z

Buddy: /* Why'd you change the BW Silverolt page back? */

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== Why'd you change the BW Silverolt page back?==

You changed the picture caption back to the rather uninspired "Watch out for my deadly spoons". Why? Did you find the new caption I added unamusing? [[User:Buddy|Buddy]] 23:45, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

== GoBox Templates ==

Just out of curiosity, what program would I need to be able to read .psd files? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 07:53, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
:Photoshop, or a Photoshop-ish program like GIMP. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 10:10, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
::Pretty much what the man said. It's a Photoshop format, but a number of graphics programs can read it these days.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 10:59, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
:::And to think I just happen to have GIMP on my computer. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:38, 16 September 2009 (EDT)

== New vandal needs ban ==

[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/72.237.248.5 This guy] Thanks. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 13:53, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

== Anon vandal guy ==

[[Special:Contributions/200.97.215.168|200.97.215.168]] needs to be dealt with. I already nominated his spam for speedy deletion. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 06:33, 1 November 2009 (EST)
:And here he goes again. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 07:06, 1 November 2009 (EST)

==SG Bludgeon caption==
What is the caption you keep returning to SG Bludgeon, I don't recognize it as anything. I figures a nice Kid rock song quote would be more rcognizeable. [[Special:Contributions/207.181.17.24|207.181.17.24]] 20:27, 11 November 2009 (EST)
:It is wiki policy to revert when people are just changing other people's captions without adding content.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:50, 11 November 2009 (EST)
::Also, eyuw, Kid Rock. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:53, 11 November 2009 (EST)
:::Don't be hating on a Michigan boy. Besides, how is a retarded cowboy quote any good? Maybe I can find something from Ted Nugent for SG Carnivac (if he had a picture)...[[Special:Contributions/207.181.17.24|207.181.17.24]] 21:12, 11 November 2009 (EST)

== keys to the 'bot ==

I have been abyssally busy, and the linkfix 'bot has been broken since June. In theory I'm working on a ground-up re-code. In practice... the project is in someday-maybe territory. That's bad, our link-structure will start to get ragged.

I've rolled the [[User:Deceptitran|Deceptitran link-fix 'bot]] back to May of this year and gotten it working again. But since I've been '''crazy-busy''' I'm also giving you a copy of the keys. Go to the movelog in RecentChanges and you should now see the Deceptitran links are live. (The 'bot itself is protected by a server-login you'll have to give the first time you queue a link up per session. I'm PMing you the password for THAT on the Allspark messageboard. You will remain logged into Deceptitran for several hours.)

* The interface is a bit clumsy-- but also self-explanatory.
* Enjoy seeing the SQL-echos! They make my life easier when debugging.
* Queued fixes changes are executed at a rate of 1-per-minute 24/7.
* You can go into a job and remove specific pages by hand if necessary, or force them to edit-right-now with "do one edit"
* There is no 'pause' and no order; a linkfix is executed at random from the hundreds (or thousands) pending.
* If a link is in a template (like a franchise navigation) it will try to edit all the pages that include that template. (Null-edits,) That's wasteful... but who '''cares'''? Deceptitran can make 43,000 edits per month... wasting its time doesn't hurt anybody. (The template itself is also on the list of pages to fix that link on, so it'll get it eventually.)
* It '''does''' catch storylinks. It does '''not''' catch previous/next links in templates. (something to fix for the recode.)
* It '''will''' simply fail to fix some links. It always has. If it's IMPORTANT, double-check.
* If there are no pages-that-link-to-this, Deceptitran just sits there and gives you a blank page.
* You cannot queue up the same job (fix) twice without deleting the old one.
* Completed jobs must be removed by hand.

(You'll figure out the workflow-- tabs are your friend.)
I think that's all. I used to just go into the movelog and queue up recent page-moves twice a week... it shouldn't take more than about 3 minutes. (I picked you because you don't go around rearranging deckchairs.) If you think someone else should have access... let me know.

'''Statistically''', making arrangements like this probably means I'm going to suddenly find myself back on tfwiki more, rendering all this unnecessary. For problems, questions, or passive-aggressive statements... you can usually find me online @ my IM account, which is listed on my userpage. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:02, 21 November 2009 (EST)

==Hello, and goals==
I wanted to see about setting goals, rrather than randomly editing articles. I put them on my user page. Can I get feedback on them? [[User:Primal Rage|Primal Rage]] 12:27, 23 November 2009 (EST)

== Admin request ==

Hey, yellow-kid type!

Could you (or another admin, but it looks like you're around...) possibly add the following line to the very beginning of [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]? (So it's BEFORE the previous import?)
@import "/w2/index.php?title=User:Derik/Common_tmp.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css";
As a '''user''' CSS page, only I (or possibly an admin?) can edit it, so it's safe from most vandalism.

(The idea is to move styles that are semi-finalized off of ''my'' server's temp file so that if my server goes down the CSS is at least loading off of TFWiki. The link to my server's temp file remains for rapid-development purposes though.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:50, 29 December 2009 (EST)

User talk:Rosicrucian

2010-04-08T03:45:10Z

Buddy:

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== Why'd you change the BW Silverolt page back?==

You put it back to the rather uninspired "Watch out for my deadly spoons". Why? Did you find the new caption I added unamusing? [[User:Buddy|Buddy]] 23:45, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

== GoBox Templates ==

Just out of curiosity, what program would I need to be able to read .psd files? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 07:53, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
:Photoshop, or a Photoshop-ish program like GIMP. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 10:10, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
::Pretty much what the man said. It's a Photoshop format, but a number of graphics programs can read it these days.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 10:59, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
:::And to think I just happen to have GIMP on my computer. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:38, 16 September 2009 (EDT)

== New vandal needs ban ==

[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/72.237.248.5 This guy] Thanks. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 13:53, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

== Anon vandal guy ==

[[Special:Contributions/200.97.215.168|200.97.215.168]] needs to be dealt with. I already nominated his spam for speedy deletion. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 06:33, 1 November 2009 (EST)
:And here he goes again. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 07:06, 1 November 2009 (EST)

==SG Bludgeon caption==
What is the caption you keep returning to SG Bludgeon, I don't recognize it as anything. I figures a nice Kid rock song quote would be more rcognizeable. [[Special:Contributions/207.181.17.24|207.181.17.24]] 20:27, 11 November 2009 (EST)
:It is wiki policy to revert when people are just changing other people's captions without adding content.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:50, 11 November 2009 (EST)
::Also, eyuw, Kid Rock. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:53, 11 November 2009 (EST)
:::Don't be hating on a Michigan boy. Besides, how is a retarded cowboy quote any good? Maybe I can find something from Ted Nugent for SG Carnivac (if he had a picture)...[[Special:Contributions/207.181.17.24|207.181.17.24]] 21:12, 11 November 2009 (EST)

== keys to the 'bot ==

I have been abyssally busy, and the linkfix 'bot has been broken since June. In theory I'm working on a ground-up re-code. In practice... the project is in someday-maybe territory. That's bad, our link-structure will start to get ragged.

I've rolled the [[User:Deceptitran|Deceptitran link-fix 'bot]] back to May of this year and gotten it working again. But since I've been '''crazy-busy''' I'm also giving you a copy of the keys. Go to the movelog in RecentChanges and you should now see the Deceptitran links are live. (The 'bot itself is protected by a server-login you'll have to give the first time you queue a link up per session. I'm PMing you the password for THAT on the Allspark messageboard. You will remain logged into Deceptitran for several hours.)

* The interface is a bit clumsy-- but also self-explanatory.
* Enjoy seeing the SQL-echos! They make my life easier when debugging.
* Queued fixes changes are executed at a rate of 1-per-minute 24/7.
* You can go into a job and remove specific pages by hand if necessary, or force them to edit-right-now with "do one edit"
* There is no 'pause' and no order; a linkfix is executed at random from the hundreds (or thousands) pending.
* If a link is in a template (like a franchise navigation) it will try to edit all the pages that include that template. (Null-edits,) That's wasteful... but who '''cares'''? Deceptitran can make 43,000 edits per month... wasting its time doesn't hurt anybody. (The template itself is also on the list of pages to fix that link on, so it'll get it eventually.)
* It '''does''' catch storylinks. It does '''not''' catch previous/next links in templates. (something to fix for the recode.)
* It '''will''' simply fail to fix some links. It always has. If it's IMPORTANT, double-check.
* If there are no pages-that-link-to-this, Deceptitran just sits there and gives you a blank page.
* You cannot queue up the same job (fix) twice without deleting the old one.
* Completed jobs must be removed by hand.

(You'll figure out the workflow-- tabs are your friend.)
I think that's all. I used to just go into the movelog and queue up recent page-moves twice a week... it shouldn't take more than about 3 minutes. (I picked you because you don't go around rearranging deckchairs.) If you think someone else should have access... let me know.

'''Statistically''', making arrangements like this probably means I'm going to suddenly find myself back on tfwiki more, rendering all this unnecessary. For problems, questions, or passive-aggressive statements... you can usually find me online @ my IM account, which is listed on my userpage. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:02, 21 November 2009 (EST)

==Hello, and goals==
I wanted to see about setting goals, rrather than randomly editing articles. I put them on my user page. Can I get feedback on them? [[User:Primal Rage|Primal Rage]] 12:27, 23 November 2009 (EST)

== Admin request ==

Hey, yellow-kid type!

Could you (or another admin, but it looks like you're around...) possibly add the following line to the very beginning of [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]? (So it's BEFORE the previous import?)
@import "/w2/index.php?title=User:Derik/Common_tmp.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css";
As a '''user''' CSS page, only I (or possibly an admin?) can edit it, so it's safe from most vandalism.

(The idea is to move styles that are semi-finalized off of ''my'' server's temp file so that if my server goes down the CSS is at least loading off of TFWiki. The link to my server's temp file remains for rapid-development purposes though.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:50, 29 December 2009 (EST)