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Black Friday (episode)

2008-05-17T21:27:57Z

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{{disambig2|the episode of ''Transformers Animated''|the day after Thanksgiving|Black Friday}}

{{episodenav|animated|26|season=2|prev=Autoboot Camp|next=Sari, No One's Home}}

'''Blackarachnia enlists Prometheus Black, a.k.a. Meltdown, to aid her with a dangerous experiment, while Optimus and Dinobot Grimlock are forced to team up to stop them.'''

{{spoiler|Black Friday}}

==Summary==

[[Sari Sumdac|Sari]] is growing ever more frustrated by [[Porter C. Powell]]'s callous actions towards both herself and her father, and she wants payback. She and [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] visit the maximum-security prison that is the current abode of [[Prometheus Black|Prometheus Black, a.k.a. Meltdown]], and speak to him in the undissolvable crystalline cube that is his cell. Black sarcastically welcomes them, noting that he has ever so few visitors, and Sari snarks in return that he'd probably have more friends if he wasn't always trying to mutate other people into [[Survival of the Fittest|transformational experiments]]. Sari knows that Black and Powell had once been business partners, and she asks the acidic villain for any information that would help her expose Powell as a criminal. Black asks why he should help her at all, and Sari reminds him that his own misfortunes began with the breakdown of his business partnership with Powell. Meltdown replies—with apparently genuine regret—that Powell was far too canny a businessman ever to get his fingerprints on anything truly illegal. He presents a different plan: If Sari and Bumblebee would be so kind as to break him out of prison, he would happily kill Powell himself. A bit taken aback, Sari insists she isn't willing to go that far, and she and Bumblebee depart. Later that night, however, a massive explosion signifies a break-in at the prison. At first, Meltdown confidently welcomes his visitors, assuming Sari has had a change of heart, but that confidence turns to fear when he sees he is actually being visited by the [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobots]]. [[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]] cryptically announces that "she" wants to see Meltdown. Though still afraid of his former flunkies, Meltdown tries to warn them away, pointing out that a prison cell constructed to hold him is indestructible—nothing can get out or in. But the Dinobots don't need to break the box when they can simply ''take'' the box.

Meltdown soon finds himself transported to [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]], where the Dinobots are behaving very strangely indeed, chanting and bowing towards a high hill. The object of their interest soon is revealed to be [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]], who washed up on the island after [[Megatron Rising - Part 2|the recent defeat of Megatron]] and has since used her beauty and wily ways to captivate the simple-minded Dinobots. As she explored the island, she found Meltdown's subterranean lab complex, including his computer files on genetic manipulation. She insists that Black help her purge the organic material from her body, and since she is actually powerful enough to crack his supposedly indestructible prison cell and has the Dinobots doing her bidding, Black has no choice but to agree.

Back on the mainland, [[Captain Fanzone]] and the Detroit P.D. are investigating the prison break. Porter C. Powell arrives, very agitated by the escape of his evil former associate. He produces security camera footage of Sari's visit, accusing the girl of trying to have him killed. Fanzone asks just how he got his hands on that footage, but Powell becomes more evasive. When the Autobots magnify the camera footage, they can see the Dinobots reflected on the surface of Meltdown's cube. While they ponder what to do about this, Bumblebee's constant chattering begins to wear on [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]], who boldly insists that it is ''impossible'' for Bumblebee to remain silent for more than a few cycles. Bumblebee is angered by these doubts against him and tries to show how quiet he can be...which isn't at all, since he pipes in with a self-defense or denial every few moments. This bickering continues as he, Prowl, and [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] head to Dinobot Island.

Once they arrive, the Autobots split up to search for evidence. Prowl finds more of Meltdown's burnt footprints, as well as yet more proof that Bumblebee really can't pipe down, since he keeps calling Prowl's name. But when Prowl investigates, he sees Bumblebee had good reason to yell: He's caught in a giant web and deactivated. Shortly thereafter, Blackarachnia attacks Prowl and deactivates him too. Rushing to help, Optimus attempts to confront Blackarachnia, but she is able to flatter and cajole Grimlock into defending her (and soundly walloping Optimus). There's no time for a real fight, though, as Blackarachnia has loaded up both Prowl and Bumblebee with a potentially lethal dose of her cybervenom. They will die unless she administers the antidote within 2 megacycles, and she'll only do that if Optimus helps Grimlock locate Meltdown's genetic modifier to make the experiment work.

Returning to the mainland, Optimus and Grimlock attempt to work together, but it's difficult because Grimlock simply will not hear that Blackarachnia might be using him or would in any way be deceiving him. For his part, Grimlock doesn't want to work with "puny" Optimus, but has no choice, as only Optimus knows where Meltdown's original workshop had been. They find the workshop, untouched and in the same state of disrepair as [[Total Meltdown|when Black had his drastic accident]]. As they search for the genetic modifier, they are discovered by Porter C. Powell, who owns the facilities Black had been using before his accident. He orders them to leave and won't assist them in finding the device they need, but he changes his tune after Optimus has Grimlock snatch up the little man and imprison him inside his mouth for a while. The unlikely Autobot duo retrieves the genetic modifier and heads back to the island.

Once he has the necessary tools and Blackarachnia strapped down to his lab table (for her own safety, of course, he swears), Meltdown decides to change his lab procedure ever so slightly. Reminding his captor-turned-prisoner of his longstanding hatred of robots, he will still be genetically separating Blackarachnia's organic and mechanical elements...but now the mechanical will be discarded and only the organics left behind, and his goal of having created a purely organic transforming being will have been realized. Optimus and Grimlock attempt to stop Meltdown, but he summons reinforcements: his earlier mutant creations, who appear quite a bit stronger now and manage to force the robots outside the lab and battle them fairly evenly. Things aren't helped when Grimlock, in his shortsighted fury, ignores Optimus's warnings and uses his [[energo-sword]] so carelessly that it practically burns down the entire island. The tide finally turns with the arrival of the other two Dinobots. [[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]] lifts one of the mutants completely clear of the battlefield, keeping it from attacking further, while [[Snarl (Animated)|Snarl]] pounds the other senseless with his giant, flaming cudgel. Optimus extinguishes the flames, then races back into the lab. He manages to detach the genetic modifier from the lab equipment, stopping the procedure before Blackarachnia can be divided up. An enraged Meltdown attacks Optimus and begins to melt his chest armor, but during the course of the action, Meltdown's body surface comes into contact with the genetic modifier. It unleashes a massive dose of energy into him, apparently causing his body to lose cohesion and degenerate into a pure liquid state, oozing out of his containment suit and leaking through cracks in the floor. Optimus frees Blackarachnia from her bonds on the table, and she senses an easy way to escape: Feigning weakness, she asks Optimus to come closer and hold her tight...as Grimlock is watching. His predictable jealousy makes him attack Optimus once again, and the sneaky spider manages to escape. When he finally sees she is gone, Grimlock begs her to return and professes his love for her, but it is too late.

A despairing Optimus returns to the web-covered bodies of Prowl and Bumblebee in the forest, apologizing to them that he was unable to rescue them in time. Then he notices the antidote has been placed right next to them. He quickly administers it just in the nick of time. Bumblebee notes with pride that he did indeed manage to remain totally silent for the whole 2 megacycles. When Prowl protests that it doesn't really count because he was unconscious and paralyzed, they have a rousing argument about the nature of the rules of their bet. An enraged Powell demands that Fanzone arrest Optimus Prime for assault and theft, but Fanzone says he's more inclined to arrest Powell for being a public nuisance and walks off. Optimus Prime begins to wonder if maybe, underneath it all, there is some good left in Blackarachnia, since (apparently) she did leave the antidote for him.

Later, in the island's abandoned underground lab, puddles of nasty-looking acidic goo begin to coalesce together around an empty containment suit. As the merging lump grows bigger, a familiar face appears on its surface. You can't keep a bad guy down....

==Stats==

*'''Written by:'''
*'''Directed by:'''
*'''Original airdate:''' ??? (Sneak preview April 27, 2008 at [[BotCon 2008]])

===Featured characters===


(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)''
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"

! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human]]s
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]]
*[[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]]
*[[Snarl (Animated)|Snarl]]
*[[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]]
| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |
*[[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]]
| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |
*[[Sari Sumdac]]
*[[Prometheus Black]]
*[[Captain Fanzone]]
*[[Porter C. Powell]]

|}

==Quotes==

"Me Grimlock go with you.... but me Grimlock go with you ALONE!"<br>
:—'''Grimlock''' shows Optimus Prime what's what.

==Other notes==
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===Animation errors===
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===Transformers references===
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===Real-world references===
* The title is a reference to [[Black Friday|the day after Thanksgiving]], a traditionally busy shopping day in the U.S., on which [[Hasbro]] often releases [[exclusive]]s.

===Miscellaneous trivia===
*

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Optimus Prime (Animated)

2008-03-24T21:09:00Z

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{{Template:Disambig3|Optimus Prime}}

:''Optimus Prime is an [[Autobot]] in the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:OptimusPrimeAnimated.JPG|right|thumb|300px|"Freedom... [[Megatron (BW)|Yeesss]]..."]]

'''Optimus Prime''' is a relatively naive and idealistic young leader, prone to long-winded "inspirational" speeches, who leads a small and inexperienced Autobot [[space bridge]] maintenance team under the supervision of [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]]. Despite his humble "Bot Next Door" persona, he performs his job with a dedicated seriousness. He transforms into a fire engine and wields a kick-ass, rocket-powered, extendable battle axe, as well as wrist-mounted grappler cables.

[[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] sneers at Optimus's lowly repair job. More than anything, Prime wishes to be a hero. He's got the speeches, he's got the moves...but what is he missing?
Maybe [[Stan Bush|The Touch]]?

{{Quote|So, this is what it feels like to be a hero...|Optimus upon his death|"[[Transform and Roll Out!]]"}}

==Fiction==
===''Transformers Animated'' cartoon===
{{ongoing}}
:''Voice actor:'' [[David Kaye]] (English)

[[Image:Alongcameaspiderthreefriends.jpg|left|thumb|250px|"Whoa-oh! Surprise hug from Mr. Freaky-Big!"]]
On a mission, Optimus and [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Elita 1]] accompanied [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] to a forbidden organic planet in search of a lost [[Decepticon]] ship rumored to be rich in [[Energon]]. After finding the planet to be infested with giant spiders, the trio finally decided to leave, but their retreat was not easy. Though Optimus and Elita found the Decepticon ship and its coveted [[energon cube]]s, they were forced to escape when spiders surrounded them. However, Elita was left behind, presumed destroyed in an energon explosion. Sentinel Prime was furious and blamed Optimus for her death. {{storylink|Along Came a Spider}}

Some time after this dark moment, Prime either abandoned or flunked the [[Autobot Academy]] and eventually found himself leading a small space bridge repair crew a thousand stellar cycles later. Prime and his crew came across the [[All Spark (Animated)|All Spark]] while repairing a [[Space Bridge]] and brought the artifact aboard their ship. During transport, they were discovered by the [[Decepticons]], and [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] came after them. He proved too strong to take head on (in spite of [[Starscream (Animated)|his subordinate]] planting a bomb on his chassis), but when the Autobot ship neared [[Earth]], Prime knocked Megatron overboard. The Autobots stayed in stasis for the next 50 years until they were accidentally awakened by an apparent intruder. Optimus and the Autobots took on Earth vehicles as alternate modes in an attempt to assimilate with what they believed to be the local dominant culture. Prime and his team were able to dispatch a bio-mechanical insectoid that was attacking Detroit. They were hailed as heroes for it.

[[Image:Sariprime.jpg|right|thumb|120px|Sorry, Prime, this is just another one of those things you were never meant to know...]]
Over the next several weeks, the Autobots got to learn human culture and and customs, doing their best to prevent disasters and save lives. Eventually, Starscream came for the All Spark, and Optimus found that the schemer could pack quite a punch. The Autobot officer was still able to keep Starscream from getting the artifact, though at the cost of his life. However, he was quickly revived by [[Sari Sumdac]] and her All Spark-influenced key. Later, the Autobots helped rebuild parts of Detroit that were destroyed in their battle with Starscream. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out!}}

Unfortunately for Optimus, he had gained a reputation outside of Earth's atmosphere—not as a hero, but as the slayer of Megatron. The Decepticon [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] placed a large bounty on his head, and pretty soon, [[Lockdown]] came to collect. He captured Prime and stole his axe and grapplers. Fortunately, Ratchet saved him, finally getting the old bot to open up more. {{storylink|The Thrill of the Hunt}}

During the Autobots' first [[Halloween]] on Earth, the Decepticon [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] showed up and kidnapped Sari. When Optimus Prime tried to fight her, she dodged all his moves, as she had trained with him. Prime was shocked to learn that Blackarachnia was his old Autobot Academy classmate Elita-1, who hadn't died but been mutated while fighting off the giant arachnids those many years ago. Blackarachnia tried to use Sari's All Spark key to remove the organic aspects from her biology, but the key began to drain the life from everything organic around and nearly killed Blackarachnia herself. Prime removed the key, saving Blackarachnia and the organics. Still calling her Elita, Prime tried to convince her to return to the Autobots so they could try and help her. She repaid that kindness by injecting him with venom and telling him that she would never trust him again. Prime was left to reflect on the friend he'd failed not once, but twice. {{storylink|Along Came a Spider}}

==Toys==
===Transformers Animated===
*'''Cybertron Mode Optimus Prime''' (Deluxe, 2008)
[[Image:TFAnimated_Deluxe_CybertronPrime_toy.jpg|right|thumb|250px|''"I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay. I sleep all night and I work all day."'']]

:Based on his pre-Earth Cybertronian look, the first version of ''Animated'' Optimus Prime transforms into a half-track Cybertronic truck loosely based on the Mitsubishi Fuso Hybrid concept truck. As a half-track, instead of rear wheels, he has molded, caterpillar-linked tracks with smaller wheels inside for rolling along smooth surfaces. Prime's axe weapon is stored by partially folding the axe at the grey hinge near the handle peg, then placing the handle peg in a hole on the back of the cab (actually his two fists' holes, thus helping them holding in position) with the blade facing down and a grey peg facing up, acting as a "fifth wheel" (known as a trailer hitch among fans), should one find a suitable trailer to attach onto it.

:He has a superb range of articulation, as is the standard with ''Animated'' toys, due to the extensive use of ball joints and universal hinge joints. As stated above, the hitch assembly becomes his axe, which can be wielded with one blade (for the rocket-boosted look) or have the single blade split to form a double-bladed axe. The truck roof is mounted on his left arm as a shield or can be separated in two and be attached to the axe to become giant energon blades.

{{comingsoontoy}}

*'''Optimus Prime vs. Megatron: The Battle Begins''' (Deluxe class figure multi-pack, 2008)
[[Image:TFAnimated_Deluxe_BattleBegins_Prime_toy.jpg|left|thumb|250px|G1 MODE ACTIVATE!]]

: The Deluxe-class Earth Mode Optimus Prime has a very similar engineering design to to the Deluxe-class Cybertron Mode Optimus Prime figure. He has a battle-damaged deco and comes with a Deluxe-class Cybertron Mode Megatron figure as well as a DVD featuring the first episode of ''Transformers Animated''. He has a distinctively more Generation 1 look than other Animated Primes, given the addition of smokestacks (a detail absent from the animation model) and lack of black beneath the silver stripes.

{{comingsoontoy}}

{{-}}

*'''Optimus Prime''' (Activators, 2008)
[[Image:TFAnimated_Activators_EarthPrime_toy.jpg|thumb|right|250px|DOMO-ARIGATO MISTER ROBOTO!]]

{{comingsoontoy}}

{{-}}

*'''Optimus Prime''' (Voyager, 2008)
[[Image:TFAnimated_Voyager_EarthOptimusPrime_toy.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Hey, whatever happened to that [[mouthplate]]?]]

:Based on his Earth look, a futuristic fire truck. His rear portion transforms into a giant extinguisher, which can really squirt water, and wings, which transform into a giant, opened-up energon axe. The toy features a mouthplate which can slide up to cover his face, or retract down below. He also has an [[Automorph]] feature: pressing a button on his... butt... flips down and rotates his... crotch... into the proper position for robot mode. Please, Hasbro, no more features in those areas.

{{comingsoontoy}}

{{-}}

*'''Roll-Out Command Optimus Prime''' (Supreme, 2008)
[[Image:TFAnimated_RolloutCommand_OptimusPrime_toy.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Fanny-pack Prime.]]

:This toy will feature sound clips from the TV show. Rolling the toy forward in vehicle mode causes the torso to spin, slowly unfolding it into robot mode. He also has some butt [[kibble]]. Hasbro, what did we just get through telling you?

{{comingsoontoy}}

{{-}}

==Trivia==
*Optimus was killed off after only [[Transform and Roll Out!|one episode]] (three if you want to get technical) ''and'' revived 1 minute and 15 seconds later. That's gotta [[Optimus Prime (G1)|be]] [[Optimus Primal|a]] [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|new]] [[The many deaths of Optimus Prime|record]].
*The placement of Optimus' Cybertronian vehicle mode front wheels is similar in location to those on [[Optimus Prime (G1)#Dreamwave comics continuity|Optronix]].
*The twin cylinder shaped protrusions connected to Optimus' small antennae are inspired by the head design of the movie rendition of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], as opposed to the [[Optimus Prime (G1)|traditional]] single cylinder.

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Talk:Main Page

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<span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:100px;line-height:100px;font-weight:900;">THE FUNNY STAYS.</span>
-The Management

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==Archives==
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==Movie Nav Box==

The navigation box we have for Movie pages really needs an overhaul. Especially now that we have four [[Online games]] (not counting the Sector 7 Hungry Dragon thing) and the nav box points to [[Battle for the Allspark]] as THE online game. What should we do with it? --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 00:59, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

==Featured Article for July==

What should we start polishing up to be next month's Featured Article? It needs to be something relevant for people finding this site after seeing the movie? How about [[Bumblebee (G1)]], as it covers the history behind the film's most prominent robot? --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:53, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
: Sure, works for me. We've got our work cut out for us, though! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:56, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Is no one up to filling out Bumblebee's Dreamwave, Legends anthology, Dreamwave Transformers/GI Joe, Devil's Due, or Hearts of Steel sections? I'm poking around to see who would be relevant as a featured article for while the movie's out if we're not up to completing Bumblebee... -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 05:55, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
::We could always just go with G1 Prime or Megatron. Both of those more than qualify, I think. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 07:28, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
::: Megatron's pretty close. I think we just need some filling out of his cartoon exploits. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:36, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

:::: He needs TF/G.I. Joe, G.I. Joe vs. TF, and Hearts of Steel filled out too. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 02:52, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
::::: Hearts of Steel writeup: "There was art of him in the supplemental materials!" --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::: ...Two designs for a guy who didn't even show... Dang it.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 08:05, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

== Movie Launch==

Hey Guys, Was wondering if you were going to put anything on the home page about the movie launching tonight? I was going to put this wiki in the spotlight starting Friday to promote it, but I think its needs a more recognizable logo so people will click on it. [[User:Angies|angies]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Angies|talk]]) 19:25, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

:I've put something on the front page now. I had wanted to get this done last week, but I never had the time, and then most of the staff were at the [[BotCon 2007|Transformers convention]] for four or five days. It needs work, but it's there, at least. It would be great if we could have a spotlight! --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 16:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

== The Funny ==

Maybe if the stuff you said was funny, no one would have a problem with it, but most of the jokes on here are pretty lame, it's not about transformers fans being serious, it's about your jokes being bad. When other people try to put there humor in it, you erase it. Sooooo make the jokes funny and you wont have to worry about it. Besides the Real Wikipedia has more information on transformers than the one dedicated to transformers have, what gives. Maybe before you work on your lame jokes you can fill out the information on the article. Sorry just what I think about it, don't take to much offence. {{unsigned|67.140.110.210}}

:Humor is subjective. Pesonally, I consider most of the jokes on this site to be neutral. They are clearly trying to be silly, but neither funny nor painful. They merely lighten the tone. Users who show up here and do nothing but change jokes into different jokes are clearly not accomplishing anything. The new jokes are never any better -- they are merely different, and often worse. That is a waste of everybody's time. I haven't spent a lot of time browsing Transformers material on Wikipedia, but I highly doubt that their information is ''better'', even if there might be a larger quantity of it. What little I've seen there has been disorganized, mixes fan assertions with canon, and is at times not even reliable. ''If'' they have more information than we do, it is only because people have been adding TF info there for at least twice as long as this specialized wiki has existed. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

::Yep, this wiki is a far more reliable source of information for Transformers than the Wikipedia shall ever be. I've corrected some of their base assumptions and half-truths upon occassion. If we lack information for something, '''then feel free to contribute''' to our wiki or wait for one of us to get around to it. Really, what the Wikipedia offers is rather generalised information and (as steve-o points out) fan-assumed fanon and downright false information. Besides, we provide the Transformers info that the users on the wikipedia either don't know or won't bother with, such as info on the toys, their designers, toy construction materials, obscure series and/or characters and so on.
:: And yes, we think captioning a picture of say, Megatron with 'Art of Megatron' or some such is really patronising. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I, as a fellow Transformer fan, agree that "the funny" is lame.

One time I tried to change [[Nautilator]]'s bio; stating that he carries a powerful weapon, transforms INTO a powerful weapon, and is an undersea version of [[Constructicon]] [[Scavager]]. But none of that went through.

I'm sensing "the bias" here.

[http://www.geocities.com/tenou_clock/ Tyrenol]

:''I, as a fellow Transformer fan, agree that "the funny" is lame.''<br>
: Some of it is certainly very very lame. If you would like to raise the level of humor here, then A) become a regular and respected contributor of useful non-funny stuff, ''then'' B) improve the funny. What we most strongly object to is newcomers who contribute ''nothing'' except changes to the humor. Changing the funny is an earned privilege. [[User:JW|JW]] 19:44, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::'''Tyrenol:''' Your [[Nautilator (G1)|Nautilator]] bio was, as far as I can tell, at best [[fanon]] or at worst fan fiction. Steve-o (an admin) points out that your edit had nothing to do with the established Hasbro toy bio. Despite our humour and over-the-top references to a character's foibles, we base what we write on official material approved by Hasbro/Takara.

::That's not 'bias', that's the rules.

:::Okay, then. Here's another idea: How about you guys use the exact wording from the bios as oppose to just sticking stuff in and thinking that everyone else will agree with its hilariousness.

:::Besides; I have two problems with anything Wiki. 1) Things don't stay <b>changed</b> when they get changed. Annoyances like <b>needed citations</b> and <b>reliable sources</b> that have a problem staying reliable. 2) I have a life to live, a job to pay for where I live, and I really don't have the time to watch everything on the web like a cold-stare hawk.

:::My apologies for being new. My apologies for calling your jokes lame. But what is everybody doing on the web when they can't take the sharp, cold knife in the back that's called "criticism?" The same rules apply for me. [http://www.geocities.com/tenou_clock/ Tyrenol]

::::We have a specific policy AGAINST cut-and-pasting from bios, one of many reasons being that those are a) copyrighted and b) not always applicable. After all, Shockwave sure wasn't anything like his toy bio in the cartoon. Character overviews on this resource are "all-encompassing", in order to reflect changes and evolutions in the character. And what do you do when a character -like, say, Optimus Prime- has several dozen bios over the course of 20 years?
::::Maybe you should apologize for playing the "I have a life" card that screams "I have no actual argument so I'll imply you all are losers". And don't confuse "whinging" with "criticism", or "disagreeing with" as "can't take it". This argument has come up with many an anon IP who is more interested in fighting a long-established precedent for this wiki which has garnered far more positive attention than negative than they are in contributing, and if they didn't change thing one about it, neither will you. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]]

::As for humour being lame, let me ask you a question: Do you wander onto privately-run Tranformers fan sites and message boards, see something you don't like (that isn't necessarily offensive) and proceed to tell off the admins for how they run their website? Much of the reason the wiki is the way it is is because the people who run this wiki and the majority of regular contributors have a sense of humour. I find it odd that newcomers will question our policies as if they claim some sort of ownership over the wiki, yet have contributed little to it. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

:I'm a newcomer, but I have to admit that the policies regarding jokes ''prevent'' unfair bias, if anything. Additionally, it helps newcomers achieve a sense of ownership. Maybe we don't all get the lame obscure reference on [[Special:Random|whatever]] page, but whoever put it there probably thinks it's hilarious! Thanks to the established policies he/she doesn't need to worry about someone replacing it with another, equally-lame obscure reference. --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 19:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

::Make jokes and be merry. My message to any readers is if you get offended by jokes, then you take Transformers way too seriously :-D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:01, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

:::haha... Transformers too seriously?! ''Only'' five of my nine open browser tabs are occupied with something Transformers related right now. If that's not moderation, then I don't know what is! ...but yes, if your reason for being put-off is a bent sense of humor, then you're probably in in the wrong place! --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 18:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
::::I thought the Ladiesman217 article was funny. Needed some fixing for the caption with the police car. It's not funny.

==Logos for 'By series' column==
I was uploading some logos for the franchise pages, and it got me thinking - the By series column on the main page is basically a bunch of text, and for either visual-minded people or those who aren't as familiar with TF, it can be confusing. How about we get brand/franchise logos for all the series so far and put them into the column? The logos would be easier to see and recognisable.

I made [http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/166/logosbyseriesec4.jpg this] - the logos there are at 250px, but I later reduced that to 150px and they still seem fine (unless you've a super-high resolution on a less than super-large monitor). Its quite rough there, series logos are missing (and I've not actually changed the page itself), but what do you guys think? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:01, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

:I like the idea. I think the execution needs xome more work of course but having the logos there definately makes the page nicer looking.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 19:21, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
::The logos need to be much, much smaller. That looks not so visually appealing. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

::If the logos were reduced a little more, I think it would be alright to remove the text and go with just logos. (And giving them TITLE/ALT attributes, of course.) --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 03:26, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::
::They need to not have backgrounds, and it's going to be a real hassle to get rid of the Classics one. I think the idea could be doable, although the mockup does not look good at all. It could potentially be very ugly and I think we need to be careful. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 03:30, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::So we're doing this for every series title? ''Awesome''! And it's gonna have no text? ''Awesome''! And what are we doing for Japanese series?
:::(I saw this done with all the Japanese titles on Cyberbon a few years back. Turns out that bereft of some visual cue to tell you what series you're talking about- every TF logo after Masterforce looks the same.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:46, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::::I suspect that may not be a problem, given that we do not actually have any Japanese titles on the main page. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 03:54, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::Yeah I'll need your help, anyway since I am shithouse at photoshop now and I can't get rid of the backgrounds myself. Also we're still missing logos for Beast Machines, RID and king of hard to track down, G2. We have so few images on the first page that I think, if done right, this could look very nice. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:30, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

:::::Logos so far, and I guess they'll all need to be converted, except for the movie logo:

:::::[[Image:G1logo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:G2Logo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:BWlogo.jpg|left|90px]]
:::::[[Image:RIDlogo.png|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Armadalogo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Energonlogo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Universelogo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Cybertron-Logo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Classicslogo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Transformers2007logomodified.png|left|150px]]
:::::[[Image:Transformersanimated franchise logo.png|left|100px]]
{{-}}
::::::You might have my help... if I thought it was a good idea. Remember you need to do Headmasters, Masterforce, Victory, Zone, Battlestars, Return of Convoy, JG2, BW2, BWN, Robotmasters, Binaltech, Kiss-Player, etc. And they somehow have to communicate what series they refer to despite lacking any English text.
::::::Also-also, I assuem that clicking on these logos is supposed to take you to their respective franchise pages? Clicking on an image takes you to the info page for that image. It's a wikipedia fundamental. You need to find a way around that. Have fun!-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:37, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::: Don't all those Japanese series fall under the umbrella of G1 or BW anyway? And, as it has been so repeatedly stated, this predominantly an American TF wiki, so I don't think we need to list EVERY TF cartoon ever made, for even with just text links it would be very, very long. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:56, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::: If you're just linking to the continuity-families, you shouldn't have 3 images for the UT then. Clearly that threw me off. Of course, if this is by Continuity family, we don't need Classics either- it's part of G1.
:::::::: Franchise or continuity family, pick a standard. (and if i'm coming off as Difficult, it's because I think this is a bad idea- but like a lot of bad ideas I'm over-ruled on, if it's goign to be done I'd like to see it done '''well''', or at least consistently.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::There's no logo for UT, unless we make one up, which would be fanart. And those three series are far more well known and arguably more important to American Transformers than the entire Japanese TF continuity. But, if you can come up with the brand/franchise logos for Headmasters, Masterforce, Victory, Zone, Battlestars, BW The Second, BW Neo and on, then we'll do it your way. Not sure how big the 'By series' list will end up being, however. We may have to end up redesigning the main page. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::No love for the BM "clawed-winged gear" logo? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:07, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::I couldn't find an appropriate image to use, and I didn't have time to edit one out of something. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::: Looking at that tall list of images leaves me highly skeptical. This list is going to be ''huge.'' It's going to completely dominate the main page and throw everything off entirely. Don't get me wrong, I'm not particularly fond of the way the main page is laid out right now, it was very much something thrown together in twenty minutes; but without an actual redesign (or even with one, it takes up a whole screen on my computer), I don't see that huge-ass list working out. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 14:23, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yes, now that I see the images on top of each other, I also think this isn't a great idea anymore. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::And that's ''without'' Machine Wars, Beast Machines, Dinobots and Timelines. And then throw in Animorphs, SWTF and Titanium (not to mention the new Universe and other future lines). That column would be taller than almost all monitors can display. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::::''I get it.'' Which is why I only wanted to do it for the series we have at the moment. I wonder, why are you guys suggesting, all of a sudden, series that weren't even there before? If they weren't important enough for inclusion in the column in the first place, why bother to list every TF series ever made now, if only to use them as a means to derail my (evidently) poorly thought out idea? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:55, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, less appealing than I thought it might be. I DO definately believe the Main page could use some redesign and more pictures/visual interest. This just may not be the best way to add that.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 15:22, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

:I made them smaller, but I see FFN has ''failed''! :O Is there any way to allow the images to link to the articles in question? It would free up clutter if we had the American logos and do away with the text saying what it is. As for placement, I think IF the By series column were to have logos, it would work better if we swapped its location with the 'Top level categories' column. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::It could work... if we reformatted the main page so instead of the vertical list there was a box, with the logos filling up rows and columns. G1 at the top-left and then so on. Just a thought. If it eats up the whole screen, nevermind. --[[User:209.101.152.114|209.101.152.114]] 17:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll take a look at the image placement markup later. I don't THINK you can make clicking on them take you someplace else... but maybe it'll surprise me. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:37, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:I checked, it can't be done. Sorry. I think you can make the pic info page re-direct you... but there are several well-founded reasons why you wouldn't want to do that. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:01, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

The funny is awesome.Learn to laugh.

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== New Prime Image ==

I have replaced the crappy and blurred Prime image on the main page with a much better version. Hope there are no objections. [[User:OptimusPrime|OptimusPrime]] 18:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
:I strongly object. That image is huge and it completely breaks the layout of the front page. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:02, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps you are right. But I still suggest that the image be replaced or removed entirely. Many images exist on the site that are far better, and could be put to use in its place. Also, the presence of the image on the page causes the Welcome sign to be askew, and makes it look like a bit of a botch job. [[User:OptimusPrime|OptimusPrime]] 18:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
:What do you mean, askew? It's not *supposed* to be in the center of the page... is that all you mean? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 18:18, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
::How about a size-reduced pic of that close up of Prime's head from the international posters? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I dislike the current main image, a blurry (imo) close-up of Movie Prime's face. I suggest [[:Image:Wotf g1 movie primal.jpg|this image]] from Takara's Tf site instead. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:That's gonna look pretty awful when small, since that image is gonna go in that little feature-box on the right-hand side of the screen. Any way to get a pic from the bit just before that with those three in close-up without the "WORLD OF TRANSFORMERS" on it? That should shrink down way better while still being legible. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:16, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:That's actually 3 seperate pieces of close-up art. I can scrape those and re-create it though. Do you want the starfield behind it, or a transparent background? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:25, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
::Hm. Yyyyyeah, starfield, I think. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:29, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Okie, Starfield is up at the previously-linked location. Transparent is [[:Image:G1 movie primal.png|here]], and I think it looks better. (Thought his gamma might be too agressive.) If we made it the main image it'd probably be nice to round and fade the edges a bit. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
It's seriously ''not'' a good picture. (The only reason I objected to the first guy's replacement was because it was like a whole screen tall.) I was really wondering when someone was going to replace it with something better. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 01:35, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:How about that close up of Prime's movie CG head from the international movie posters? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:39, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I love that image and I'd be pissed if someone took it off...SO DO NOT DO IT!!!!! -Rodimusman22

== Teletraan 1 has been recomended on Dunepedia ==

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== Popular Culture? ==

Maybe it's just me, but I think it might be a good idea to include a page that features the various references made to the Transformers franchise in different forms of media and popular culture, i.e. Optimus Prime's cameo in ''The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy''; Prime and Soundwave on ''Family Guy''; the "Rad Rad Robotank" that's appeared every once in a while in ''Homestar Runner'', etc. Anyone else think so?

:Hell yeah, seconded! One of my favorite bits of Wookieepedia is checking out all the different star wars references they catch and list. Seeing a list of real-world transformer references, cameos and sightings would be sweet. Hell, I think it would be fascinating just to see TF sightings. "Oh, so the toy that kid was playing with in this obscure movie was just a <insert TF here> that the prop department repainted. Neat."

:I am... a bit wary of such a thing. A centralized list of pop culture refs would be enormous and very hard to manage, and probably boring. I could see maybe having shorter lists in relevant individual articles -- like, on G1 Soundwave's page, a list of refs to him in particular -- but that would remove some of the usefulness of listing them in the first place, because there wouldn't be an easy way to find them all. How does Wookiepedia do it? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 19:06, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

:: I'm also wary for the same reasons I don't want us to handle unofficial stuff like fan-conventions and books... at what point does something become not noteworthy enough to mention? Are we going to list every last damn insignificant webcomic or unfunny comedian who says HEY REMEMBER TRANSFORMERS?! --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

:::We see this sort of thing pop up often enough in forums. And frankly, the Wookieepedia's listing of SW references in pop culture is (and I apologise to the people who compiled them) rather boring. And personally, I never want to see Family Guy referenced on this wiki. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:59, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

::::I'm torn. I agree in principle with everything the naysayers have naysaid. And yet, I want somewhere I can document that <i>Spaceballs: The Lunchbox</i> was a TF lunchbox with the Spaceballs logo slapped on it, and there was an Insecticon among the pile of toys the kid in <i>Flight of the Navigator</i> gets. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 05:27, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

::::''I never want to see Family Guy referenced on this wiki''<br>
::::I just feel this bears repeating. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 08:49, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::Looks like you have some caption-editing to do then. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:47, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

::::::COULD IT BE? Somebody on the internet who '''doesn't''' like Family Guy? *shocked* I could swear I was the only one! --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I told you guys, '''I NEVER WANT TO SEE FAMILY GUY REFERENCED ON THIS WIKI'''. I hate that show and the fact that if you're our age you 'have' to be a fan of it and its limited sense of humour. I think we should discourage people from adding more references beyond the ones we have right now, and just delete ones made by random, unregistered users. We don't reference every time Transformers have appeared on television that isn't a Transformers show so we don't have to reference every instance time they appear on Family Guy. *SHAKES FIST* --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:Okaaaaay...-- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 06:01, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
::Don't force me to resort to fisticuffs! --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:05, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Just because you don't like a show doesn't mean you can refuse to acknowledge it's existence. A reference page would be fun because as that one person said, it's cool to see that "oh, so that's a transformer." Also, a list on here would be interesting because we realize humor is agood thing; therefore, the list would be funny.
And yes... I ''am'' Crosshairs-1, logged on somewhere different. Sorry, I wasn't even aware anyone looked at this thing anymore. It won't happen again. And I was a little infuriated about the ''Family Guy'' thing. I think that show is flippin awesome. -Crosshairs-1

I think, in the interest of fairness and with awareness of the "slippery-slope", that pop-culture references should generally be stricken outside of certain special circumstances where there's some kind of "official" link... like, say, the Megatron/Jetfire cameo in the old Marvel G.I. Joe comic. Thanks to the web and eighty billion cable channels, allowing any "unofficial" pop-culture would mean we'd be looking at a very Wikipedia-esque "notability" (read: "well, '''I'VE''' never heard of it!") kind of judgment call being taken every time someone puts up a vanity link because they made a Transformers joke in their little flash animation on Newgrounds.<br>
I'm not adverse to having an article ON the fact that TFs is now a popular callback for the nostalgia remoras out there, noting the timing of the "surges" of things transforming into robots as a reference/parody/imitation... but not some list of 'em all. It's the same stance we ''should'' have on any other unofficial work, yes? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:Some of our articles reference or link Walky's Shortpacked and Don Murphy's article uses a panel from the old 'Don Murphy knees Ethan in the chest' comic as its main pic. Should those be edited in line with this policy? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:12, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
::I'd say yes. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:49, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I'd say, "it depends". It shoundn't be linked to just for the hell of it, but if a case arises where a Shortpacked! strip -- like any other external page -- provides a cogent illustration of something, I think it should be fine to link to that. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Some anonymous, nameless editor at the top raises a good question; how ''does'' Wookieepedia deal with this? I mean, I'm guessing that they have to deal with a whole friggin' lot more than we do, so if they handle it well, they might have an already established set of standards we can modify.

I don't like the idea of having a giant, unmaintainable mess of pointless cruft and I don't think ''I'' would ever be interested in any modern pop culture appearances of Transformers; but that doesn't mean that there aren't ''other'' people who would be interested in a list like that.

(There was also someone else, elsewhere, who raised a good point: what about references to Transformers that ''aren't'' from the last few years? I mean, I don't give a damn about Soundwave on Family Guy and I don't think anyone else here does, either, but what about the more obscure references from Beast Wars and earlier? Those are interesting just because they can potentially illustrate Transformers in pop culture in earlier periods of time, to contrast with now; which certainly seems to ME like it has value.) --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 07:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

:I'd mentioned stuff along that line in #wiigii!... I do think, say, that Razorbeast was on ''Fresh Prince of Bel Aire'' (which I never cared for in all honesty, and I had Fresh Prince albums on steady play growing up) or that ''The Powerpuff Girls'' had an extended CGI tribute/parody of ''Beast Machines'' are WAYYYYY more significant than any TF reference made in the past five years because the HEY LOOK THING YOU REMEMBER wasn't a popular comedy substitute then. At that point, who gave a fuck about Transformers... or about the Eighties, for that matter? Aside from VH1? But it's the ol' slippery-slope again if it goes outside of a "centralized" article that mentions such occurrences within the context of time and doens't try to be a comprehensive list of references. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:49, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

::Wookipedia lists EVERYTHING oh my GOD the pages are huge. They divide it by medium. Every single refence, from American Dad to Webcomics. It's... it's a giant monument to how you don't want to spend your time.

:::Yep, like I said, the wookipedia's list is really, really huge, and really, really boring, no offense to the people who took the time to compile it. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:19, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Lord, and I can barely work up the drive to make articles on actual official TF episodes. And my ''career'', which I enjoy a lot, is basically "make giant lists of boring minutae". The idea that we'd have a complete list of every unfunny TF gag puked out by Adult Swim shows but not, say, a completed series of ''Beast Wars'' episode articles is fucking ''depressing''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 09:12, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

::::Still, it would keep that crap out of the articles proper, and it might be a nice harmless magnet for the people who want to come in and just write one or two lines, aside from just changing captions. Being so unimportant, it's not the sort of thing you'd feel COMPELLED to work on. --[[User:Anonymous Prime|Anonymous Prime]] 09:17, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I've come to think that the centralized list of refs is the best solution. That way we don't have to worry about lists of totally stupid stuff interfering with the articles we care about. (Well, except for that highly-annoying list of quotes from [[Transformers (2007)]].) It also means we don't have to make any decisions about a notability policy because the pop culture refs page is obviously going to be an unsaveable ghetto anyway, so why bother. For the record, I want to emphasize that I doubt it's possible to like Family Guy less than I do. I simply couldn't bear to the see the Family Guy mentions exacerbated by being written badly. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:40, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd say you should take a look at the "Sightings" section at HRWiki.org. They do a pretty good job of organizing their stuff. (Though I don't think we really need a section for webcomics and the like) [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] 03:56, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

==Image upload==
I assume this is a wiki software thing, but does anybody know why the upload button you can use when you edit something no longer allows you to fill out details on the file being uploaded? I've trained myself to keep an open 'Upload File' page, but its abit annoying. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:56, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
: I'm not sure what you mean. I still see the same ol' page! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:27, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
::When I click the upload popup button (not the Upload file link on the side of the page), in the popup the appears, there's only File: (Browse button) and the "All images uploaded are subject to Wikia's GNU Free Documentation License. Do not upload copyrighted images." warning among some minor things. No space for one to type out file details.
::It has been this way since Wikia updated its software a few weeks back, so to fill out details by editing the image's page afterwards. Before the software upgrade, the upload popup also allowed you to fill out file details, just like the Upload file page. This is part of the reason why lately there have been quite a number of images uploaded with no information whatsoever - most non-registered users or newcomers use the upload button instead of the Upload file link on the side of the page. I believe Zodberg has mentioned this when somebody here asked him to fill out image details. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

== Animated GIFs ==

If there isn't already, can we put a ban on these things? -- [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 00:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

:There are a couple that I sort of like, as on [[Spark]] and [[Oracle (G1)]]. Those ones are, IMO, considerably less obnoxious than the movie GIFs that people keep uploading. They are smaller in terms of pixels, and file size, and are far less flashy. So... I wouldn't go for a straight ban, but, certainly we could discourage them unless they are tasteful. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 01:47, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
::I'd be sad if we deleted the [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] one. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 02:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, those three should stay. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 03:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

:The one on [[Ginrai]] would be a damned shame to lose.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 03:24, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

::Generally speaking, I never think outright bans are the correct response when what you ''really'' want is for people to exercise restraint.
::(Of course, I made 3 of the 4 examples people cited of animated gifs that don't suck, so I'm biased.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:14, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
::::You know what we should do? Make an animated gif warning people against using them!
::::Seriously, what confuses is that Chosen40k uploading not only an animated gif, but a *redundant* animated gif. I mean, my collage of screencaps for that very scene is right there... I blame the Wikipedia. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

== Red Links on Main Page ==

So, we have two red links on the main page, "TV and movies" and "Toys". Were those links always red, or did something get moved? [[User:JW|JW]] 20:32, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

:The pages were deleted for being lists. I've added redirects to prevent these broken links. You can view the old content in the [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=TV_and_movies&oldid=85218 page] [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Toys&oldid=33798 history]. [[User:Angela|Angela]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Angela|talk]]) 23:57, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Proposed LocalSettings change ==

Tweaking the [[e-Hobby]] page this morning got me thinking about iPods. Specifically [[Wikipedia:iPod|Wikipedia's iPod article]] which, as you can see, has a lowercase first character. (That's new BTW, it didn't until a few months ago.)

The iPod page uses a magic word called <nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE}}</nowiki> to let you change how the page title displays. (You can't go nuts and call it 'Greg,' you can just set an alternate capitalization. You can't break anything with it.)
But enabling DisplayTitle is a LocalSettings change (requires a wiki tech to do it) so before making a request I did a quick check for any other Hot-and-Sexy LocalSettings options we might wan to consider. Out of ~200 settables, here's my short list:

<dl>
<dt>wgAllowDisplayTitle
<dd>enable the aforementioned <nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE}}</nowiki> flag
<dt>wgFileExtensions
<dd>Allowed file types on "Upload file." (I haven't noticed anyone grousing about not being able to upload ''X'', but I thought I'd throw it out in case someone had a really good idea.)
<dt>wgRateLimits
<dd>Limit to number of page edits allowed in a time period. e.g. 4 edits per minute, or 50 edits in 20 minutes... etc. (I'd probably be against this one because of linkfixes, and because we haven't had to deal with mass-edit-spam yet... and you shouldn't restrict users without a pressing need.)
<dt>wgLocaltimezone
<dd>Set the local timezone (used in the recent edits page, among others) to something other than UTC. It bugs me to see the wiki's time off by 5 hours, and it's ''unamerican'', where's our english bias when we need it most?
<dt>wgBlockAllowsUTEdit
<dd>Allow blocked users to edit their ''own'' user talk page. I '''strongly''' favor this one, letting the condemned have his say keeps us from coming off as totalitarian jackboots. On a purely ''functional'' level- now in order to protest/request clarification/bitch about being banned, a blocked user must first figure out how to ''evade'' our ban. Given a choice between disgruntled users venting by howling on their own talk pages and disgruntled users evading bans to (feeling silenced) howl on ''other'' pages, I'd prefer the former.
</dl>

(There's lots of other setables- but most of them just aren't useful for a wiki at our level of traffic.) I'm in favor of DisplayTitle, BannedUserTalk and maybe Timezone (Set to Portland Oregon? Rhode Island?)

I'd need to hear what others think- I'm not going to pursue a tech request unless there's favoring consensus. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

:Sounds good to me. Also, you should have posted this to the community portal instead of the main page. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 14:08, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
::The Community portal never discusses this kind of thing...
::Oh, you meant the CP talk page. Duly noted for the future. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:52, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
:Good idea. I'll throw in my vote. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 19:03, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

:I thought blocked users could ALREADY edit their own talk pages. Did they change the settings at some point? Regardless, I definitely agree with you there on pretty much every count. And changing the time zone to SOMETHING in North America sounds good to me, too, just because it gets weird when the day breaks like five hours off of when it actually should. The actual time zone doesn't even matter that much. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 19:04, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
::Really? MediaWiki says its false by default. (I guess Wikia might have set it true as default) I don't remember being able to edit my talk page when I was banned... but perhaps I just never needed to. Let's test! Ban me!
::Um... you will have to un-ban me after the test though. ;)-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:52, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Our most recent Irate-Jerk-Who-Was-Banned was indeed able to post endlessly to her own talk page after she was banned. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Which one? Registered user? IP user? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

== Semi-Protection ==

It seems to me it would be in our best interests to semi-protect the main page against anonymous IP edits. Because, y'know, it's the frigging main page, and it's not going to have much editing done on it by anonymous users other than to replace it with "LOL UR GAY." --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 16:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
:I agree entirely. It's done. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

== Military Personality ==

Through the timeline the Autobots and Decepticons had been featured military personality. IG Sir Yes Sir. Roger That. Affirmative.

Usually commanders stay behind at HQ and let their fucking lackies do the fighting. Not lead a team into battle. IG Optimus and Megatron lead their armies to battle each other and they fight in battle. In Transformers Armada the 2 leaders are supposed to stay at their HQs and let their fucking troops do battle and get the fucking mini-cons. Not make personal appearences.([[User:76.247.222.101|76.247.222.101]] 00:57, 26 September 2007 (UTC))
:What does that have to do with the Main Page...or anything regarding this wiki? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:59, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I meant whats happening during the series. Have you notice military commanders are supposed to stay behind while their troops are doing their work? The Big army thing had been featured in Armada.
:There are no less than ''ten separate series'' detailed on this wiki, and it's not really relevant to this page to discuss any of them directly as this talkpage is about the layout and formatting of the main page of this wiki. It is not a general discussion board about Transformers.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 01:06, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

==Featured Article for October==

So...are we ever going to change the featured article? It's been Megatron for, like, two months now. [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] 03:58, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
:It depends on what the management thinks is complete enough in terms of length and content. I think Movie Prime's article should be given a go since October will be the month of the DVD release in the US and the article is more or less complete. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:14, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
:How about something other than a character page?--[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 12:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
::I nominate Sector Seven, because the article is fairly thorough, references a lot of material, and will be useful to the fans directed here who liked the movie but haven't read all the minor, wacky background material. That article is still listed as a "Stub," though as with a great many "stubs" on this wiki I kind of don't see why. It could be made ''longer'', like all of them, but it's not like it's missing anything critical or is just a halfassed paragraph. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:33, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
:::I think we should make articles for Rebecca Howard and Alexander Powers before we feature it, since they're pretty important to the ARG storyline, which, as you said, is the wacky background material 99% of people would never seen or heard of. Plus they're linked right at the start of the article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:41, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

By the way when it comes doing the most wanted page list means I will do it but someone must back me up when I go do yardwork.(Spearhead 08:03, 7 October 2007 (UTC))

Sweet zombie Jesus, the Featured Article changed!!! I think I may faint! ...But one request: Please don't change it back to [[Megatron_%28G1%29|Megatron]] in November! --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 15:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Nice going guys. You finally got rid of Megatron... and then replaced him with Primal Prime, who's been on for three months. Either someone tell me how to change that article, or ''please'' replace it with something new--how about Optimus Prime's G1 toys? [[User:Crosshairs-1|"MovieMan"]] 11:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)Crosshairs-1

== The Wanted pages Section ==

Can someone add [[Popular Cybertronian vehicle alternate modes]] to the Wanted Pages section? If the Earth and Beast gets to have alternate modes so does Cybertron. Besides most Transformers in the Unicron Trilogy and Animated series are mostly futuristic Cybertronian vehicles. There is no talk page in the Most Wanted Page section so thats why I put words here.([[User:Soldier 79|Soldier 79]] 11:26, 20 October 2007 (UTC))
:God, will you shut up about it? That page will NEVER exist, because there '''are no "popular Cybertronian vehicle alternate modes"! None AT ALL!''' So shut up already! --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:32, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

:While I do agree with [[User:Detour|Detour]] that you can hardly deem any Cybertronian alt-mode as "Popular," I say if you feel that there is a need for this page, you should just go ahead and make the page yourself instead of sitting around waiting for someone else to do the work! --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 17:57, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
::Agreed. While many folks on this wiki might feel that a page isn't warranted, a really well-done article treatment can often change their minds.

::Whining that the page does not exist does the exact opposite of this.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 18:02, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

:::When you do make that page, don't forget to include "[[Soundwave_%28G1%29#The_Transformers|Space-Age Lamp Post]]." --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 19:04, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

:::And when you make the page, expect for it to be deleted quickly, because there is no need for that page. The "popular altmode" pages are for specific ''models'' of vehicles or breeds of animals, not just "jet" and "car". That quickly becomes pointless.
:::Not that this clot is ever goign to make the page. He's been here under a dozen different (banned) nicks pulling the same idiotic shit every time, and somehow the facts that nobody wants him here and he contributes nothing to the site fails to sink into his skull. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:39, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

About the Wanted Pages section. Can someone do those pages? I will not do the Wanted pages section due to I can't do style guide because of no reason.([[User:159.83.4.149|159.83.4.149]] 23:02, 9 November 2007 (UTC))

:SWEET MOTHER MARY... NO!!! '''NOBODY''' is physically capable of making that page b/c the material just doesn't exist. Seriously, I swear to whatever deity you like that I will eat my own shoe if you or ''anyone'' can compile a list of at least five "popular" Cybertronian altmodes. --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 17:44, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure you're talking about mental capabilities.- [[User: Rodimusman22|Rodimusman22]] 1:07, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Halloween colors? ==

Any chance of getting some Halloween orange in a few places to spruce up the Halloween look? I think it'd really set off the Zombie pics nice and draw more attention to them. Obviously if such a thing is a hassle it's not worth it, but if its as easy as a line of text might increase the holiday vibe some.

== Logos for 'By series' column Mark II ==

I've worked a little something out using a template taken from Wikia. What do you think? [[User:FortMax/Sandbox]] --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:45, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
: I still think it looks messy and prefer plain text. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
::Just for the sake of adding another opinion to the vote, I don't think the visuals are THAT messy. But I do think they're at times unreadable (RID), misleading (Classics), or anti-informative (Movie). In fact, I like having that sandbox page up just so it's clear why this topic should never come up again. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 02:02, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
== Stubs==

What up with stubs? Isn't there someone out there who can contribute information? i mean just today I wrote a new Defensor article and I need a ton of help with the info since there is so little to give.-Rodimusman22

:Stubs are a reminder that the article isn't complete and a plea for contributions. No offense, but you might want to consider following our style guide when creating articles and to be careful with your spelling, or you will just create more work for other people afterwards. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:09, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but it's the first article I've ever written. And besides its not annoying to me because I like to help out however I can.-Rodimusman22

== "By series" column is missing... ==

"Comics" for Beast Wars.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 13:51, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== Just a little question... ==

Is there anywhere I can find a NON parody wiki? - Anonymous

: Right here? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:31, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:wikipedia--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 19:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
::But their TF pages suck. So dry and boring and light on content and all Mignashy. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:35, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Mostly the Mignashy part. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Wikipedia Transformers stuff is full on content! It's just all made up. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:59, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't think you understand the meaning of "parody", Mister Anonymous. "It has humor in it" is not what parody entails. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah, plus beneath our bad captions and jokes there's a wealth of information you will not likely find anywhere else, at least not all in one place. I think people are too used to the "[insert franchise] is ''Serious Business''" natures of the large, dry wikis like Memory Alpha and the Star Wars Wiki. That or they are unable to laugh at Transformers because they take it too seriously. Or they think this entire wiki is written solely by Walky, and since they hate Walky, they hate the wiki. Those last people suck. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:58, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

== Logo--Good Wiki!==
Hi guys!!! This is a very creative wiki! But I am not keen on the logo. Right now is: [[Image:wiki.png]]<br>
{{unsigned|Thatkidjasper}}

:Please sign your posts to talk pages by typing four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) at the end.
:Also, you'll have more luck getting us to change our logo if you spend a few months as a regular contributor, first. [[User:JW|JW]] 19:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

How do u put your logo on the upper left?--[[User:Farragut79|Farragut79]] 14:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

== Caps? ==

Do we want to implement sabrblade's suggestion of replacing

(toyline/cartoon/comic)

with

(Toyline/Cartoon/Comic)

. . . ? Personally, I think it makes the page look more cluttered. [[User:JW|JW]] 22:07, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:Well, I just thought it would make it look a little neater. I didn't mean anything by it. I also thought it would make more sense to change "comic" to "comics" under Generation 1 and Beast Wars since they both had more than one comic series. I also put a "comic" link under Beast Machines that goes to the Wreckers comic since that ''is'' a Beast Machines comic series. And I thought "comics" should be "comic" under Animated since so far it only had one comic series that we know of. And "Sequel" was already put under Transformers (2007), since I saw that it was capitalized, that's what gave me the idea to capitalize the rest. But I see that someone erased "Sequel" from the main page. [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:11, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

== Putting Headmasters/Masterforce/Victory links in the "by series" column ==

Would anyone object if I put bulleted links for Headmaster/Masterforce/Victory in the "by series" column? I acknowledge that the series are linked under G1 articles, but it's arguable that they are not "true G1", but rather a non-canonical branch of that continuity.

For example:
* ''[[Generation 1]]'' <span style="font-size:90%">([[Generation 1 (toyline)|toyline]]/[[Generation 1 (cartoon)|cartoon]]/[[Generation 1 (comic)|comic]])</span>
** ''[[Headmasters]]''
** ''[[Masterforce]]''
** ''[[Victory]]''
* ''[[Generation 2]]'' <span style="font-size:90%">([[Generation 2 (toyline)|toyline]]/[[Generation 2 (cartoon)|cartoon]]/[[Generation 2 (Marvel comic)|comic]])</span>

And yes, I am a newb and I know that that impacts the consideration of my suggestion.

[[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 00:34, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:Headmasters/Masterforce/Victory ARE true, canonical G1, but I think the main page list is long enough already without us lengthening it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:37, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::I don't really have a problem with it, but yeah it would make the list longer too much. Besides, you forgot Zone, Battlestars, and Operation: Combination. [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 00:50, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::1) I don't want to be combative, but can ItsWalky support the G1-canon assertion? Only the hardcore fanbase is familiar with the Japanese series. If these shows are G1, then why don't the G1 cartoon/comic/toy pages consistently contain info about those toys? For instance, the G1 toy page doesn't list the Japan-series-exclusive toys.
:::2) Each Japanese series has its own toyline/comic/cartoon links in this wiki. It only seems proper to list them here.
:::3) I disagree that this would make the list too long.
:::4) I'm afraid I don't know enough about Zone/Battlestars/Op:Com. Time to surf some more...
:::[[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 00:57, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::In Transformers, and by the standards of this wiki, everything that is approved by Hasbro or Takara is canon. Without exception. It does not matter whether you have seen it or not. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:02, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::ItsWalky, do you have any non-length-related objection? [[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 01:29, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well, ItsWalky, since you're not buyin' his idea, how about this then. Make a drop-down list for all the JG1 series drop under the Generation 1 text by pressing a [+] button, ya know like the ones seen in Category pages and such. Does that sound okay? And maybe one to drop under Beast Wars for Beast Wars II and Neo? [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:34, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I am really not sure how we would jigger a collapsible continuity tree list. I would assume though if anyone knew how to accomplish this it would involve some sort of sinister faustian bargain with the fount of Dark Science that is [[User:Derik|Derik]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 01:42, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:Or we could just implement my suggestion. Problem solved! [[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 01:49, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::Not quite. You say, "put them on the list," he says, "no, it'll be too long," I say "compromise, a drop-down list '''if it's possible'''" [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 02:17, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::If we include the various Japanese G1 franchises we would also need to include Battle For the Spark, Unicron Battles, Powerlinx Battles, Primus Unleashed and Allspark Battles. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:53, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::None of those are quite the seperate, distinct entity that the Japanese lines mentioned are. BftS, etc. are sublines of their respective ongoing lines. Masterforce, Victory, etc. are mainlines themselves, with the only higher hierarchy level being "Transformers", or arguably "Transformers Japan".
::::I think the list is long enough. The Japanese series are all linked too off of the summary [[Generation 1]] page. A collapsible list would probably uglify the aesthetic table we have in place, to say nothing of the technical difficulties to make it work. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 05:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::'''Then it follows that some work should be done to include the japanese-exclusive toys from these series in the G1 toys pages, and include the japan-manga for these series in the G1 comics pages. Do you all think that is appropriate? The way I see it, these series are either within G1 (for the wiki), or they aren't. Right now it seems like they halfway are.'''[[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 16:40, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:Yay, I'm faustian! You have no idea how happy that makes me.
:Unfortunately, a quick investigation tells me that Wikia does not come equipped with any of the table-collapse scripts found on Wikipedia (they have custom ones for the table of contents and category trees, but they aren't cross-adaptable.) It ''might'' be possible to install one of them purely in the Monobook.js file we can edit (I feel like there might be PHP integration, which we can't) but even then the scripts are very limited, and don't do quite what we want.
:Wikipedia has generally be very, very distrustful of implementing those kind of drop-downs because of compatibility issues. Making Javascript a fundamental part of your site's navigation is bad because if someone turns it off or cripples its functions to suppress annoying ads... thennt his site ceases to function.
:So, while a drop-down may be ''possible'' with considerable effort, it brings entailed problems that would seem to outweigh any benefits it delivers. Without a more compelling application for a drop-down, I wouldn't be interested in even ''trying'' to get it working. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:18, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

:Let me draw your attention to my bolded post above... Any comments? [[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 00:41, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think we care enough about those series to list them. We prefer to mock them. List is too long, anyway. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:50, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

==Weird Wikia Spotlight image==
Is it just me or is that Autobot symbol Wikia is using to Spotlight our site an unofficial fan-made version? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:55, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's... pretty lame. You'd think they could have grabbed one of the ones here in the wiki. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 09:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::God fucking dammit. That's Neale's erroneous font, with the three hash-marks per forehead instead of two. I will not allow this. Who do I yell at? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:45, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:I never thought an Autobrand could look so angry...-- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:05, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

:How to fix the image:
:1. make new image using official Autobot sigil from... anywhere
:2. go [[w:Image:Transformers-monaco.gif|here]].
:3. upload new image
:4. ???
:5. PROFIT!!! --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
::Man that is pretty dang shitty. Why does Wikia keep trying to make logos '''for''' us?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 03:00, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I have done my level best to try to turn our masthead into a little spotlight image there.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 03:15, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:::[[w:Image:Transformers120.png|Here]], actually. And done. Thank God. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:58, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
::::Wow, much better! :D --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 09:14, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

==Death becomes you==

Why not add a section relating to death in Transformers (character deaths, permanence etc) with a special section for the way Optimus' pop their clogs...a lot[[User:GWolfv2]]
:We have [[The many deaths of Optimus Prime]]. An article on [[Death]] in general might not be amiss. [[User:JW|JW]] 13:26, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

== april fools day plans ==

i recomend that for april fools day we lock the main page and save a copy of some of the longest/most important pages[[User:81.108.233.59|81.108.233.59]] 16:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:No real need to save a copy. Wiki software archives older versions automatically.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 16:23, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:And, the main page is already semiprotected. [[User:JW|JW]] 16:26, 17 March 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

User talk:Charitwo

2008-02-02T00:38:10Z

Charitwo: fix sig

Sorry about that. Your removing [[User:ItsWalky]]'s comments on how Assaulthead keeps gift wrapping himself made me think you were another of his alts. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 23:44, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

My apologies as well. I jumped the gun because this is the first time someone BESIDES Assaulthead has tried to remove evidence of his activity.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 23:46, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

::[[wikipedia:Wikipedia:DENY|Deny recognition]] :) If you would like to know more about me please see a few of the main wikis to which I contribute [[w:c:ffxi:User:Charitwo|FFXIclopedia]], [[w:User:Charitwo|Central Wikia]], [[w:c:super-smash-bros:User:Charitwo|Super Smash Bros.]] and other gaming wikis and various others randomly. If you need anymore help please ask :) --[[User:Charitwo|Charitwo]] 23:49, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

:::I have no reason to doubt your credentials; I simply hadn't spotted your User page before this incident.
:::As for denying recognition, we tried to put it into practice in the sense that we minimized direct response to the person, but we thought it was better to preserve evidence of his activity, mainly as a warning to others. Also, as indicated above, the troll himself has been the sole person to attempt to delete his own Talk page material prior to this point, so we didn't wish to give him the satisfaction of covering his tracks, as it were.
:::If this is considered (more or less) official wikia policy towards such activity, we can certainly honor and participate in it.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:30, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Unwritten really, and no reason to preserve evidence. You can only erase evidence by cleaning out revisions from articles by deleting the article and restoring only the "good" revisions, otherwise it's unfortunately forever imprinted into the article's edit history. --[[User:Charitwo|Charitwo]] 00:37, 2 February 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

User talk:Charitwo

2008-02-02T00:37:38Z

Charitwo:

Sorry about that. Your removing [[User:ItsWalky]]'s comments on how Assaulthead keeps gift wrapping himself made me think you were another of his alts. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 23:44, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

My apologies as well. I jumped the gun because this is the first time someone BESIDES Assaulthead has tried to remove evidence of his activity.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 23:46, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

::[[wikipedia:Wikipedia:DENY|Deny recognition]] :) If you would like to know more about me please see a few of the main wikis to which I contribute [[w:c:ffxi:User:Charitwo|FFXIclopedia]], [[w:User:Charitwo|Central Wikia]], [[w:c:super-smash-bros:User:Charitwo|Super Smash Bros.]] and other gaming wikis and various others randomly. If you need anymore help please ask :) --[[User:Charitwo|Charitwo]] 23:49, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

:::I have no reason to doubt your credentials; I simply hadn't spotted your User page before this incident.
:::As for denying recognition, we tried to put it into practice in the sense that we minimized direct response to the person, but we thought it was better to preserve evidence of his activity, mainly as a warning to others. Also, as indicated above, the troll himself has been the sole person to attempt to delete his own Talk page material prior to this point, so we didn't wish to give him the satisfaction of covering his tracks, as it were.
:::If this is considered (more or less) official wikia policy towards such activity, we can certainly honor and participate in it.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:30, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Unwritten really, and no reason to preserve evidence. You can only erase evidence by cleaning out revisions from articles by deleting the article and restoring only the "good" revisions, otherwise it's unfortunately forever imprinted into the article's edit history. --{{subst:User:Charitwo/SigX}} 00:37, 2 February 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

User talk:Charitwo

2008-02-01T23:49:35Z

Charitwo: reply to FortMax and Apcog

User talk:ItsWalky

2008-02-01T23:44:49Z

Charitwo: sigh, please stop

--I'm deeply sorry

[[User talk:ItsWalky/2006|2006 Archives]]

[[User talk:ItsWalky/2007|2007 Archives]]

==Things to say to you==
[[Image:Ttoc.GIF|right|thumb|We approve this message.]]

Just some thing I've been wanting to say to David...

First off, you're a monumental asshole. You have an ego the size of a small planet and it's irritating watching you act like an important SOB when you're basically just a nobody.

Second, your webcomics aren't funny. They're boring tripe that makes Penny Arcade look good(and believe me, Penny Arcade is garbage). Cyanide and Happiness is a funny webcomic, yours is not. Your "jokes" are painful, about like watching Michael Richards yell the n-word as a routine. You don't draw a comic, you draw an opinionated blog. I'm not sure which name suits your crap better, "ShitPacked" or "ShortDicked".

Your liberalism and your love of Indiana get on my nerves. You jab at Mallard Filmore? Yeah, one shitty comic making fun of another shitty comic. Or are you just pissed that his gets in newspapers while you're JUST a webcomic? As to Indiana, I live here, and if it were up to me, the state would be walled off and none of the freaks living there allowed to interact with the rest of the planet. The state is about 3 decades behind the times. But something tells me even you know this otherwise you'd still live here. I sure as hell do not live here by choice and as soon as I can, I'm moving far away from this joke of a state.

And your brand loyalty is typical fandom crap. You have Aaron Archer's rod so far down your throat it's unreal. And Aryan fucktard Michael Bay's rod has apparently joined it. I'd say soemthing abotu Don Murphy but he was born without one. Actually, I can say something- he's Kevin "unfunny asshole" Smith with more body fat. Hasbro didn't give the film to a competent director, just a cheap one. And neither Speilberg or ILM have done anything useful in years. Give WETA, or even Tom Savini a chance and we wouldn't be getting Bionicle bots. You're afraid to not like a Hasbro product. No wonder they don't have to go out of the way to please the "fans"- you'll accept it no matter what. But hey, you personally have been sucking off incompetent British bonehead Simon Furman and his shitty stories for years. There are no gods in Transformers. Unicron was built by a monkey, little man. Furman is dog shit.

And go figure this TF wiki is a joke full of misinformation, insults or outright lies- you're a mod here. You're never right. You're more of an incorrect pompous jerkoff than Defunct is. Right, ban me from editing, as if it would somehow matter, any info you don't agree with is pulled. You only have friends because people feel sorry for you. Me, I have no need. People are a commodity to be used and their wants only get in the way of what I'm out for. Use them and drop them.

Who am I? Go look who added a note about you on Encyclopedia Dramatica's Allspark page if you're not too lazy. As well as past AS, Kalidor, FIRRIB and Hooks entries(the hooks entry especially true). Oh, and just info on white people in general and that idiotic Nintendo Wii. I'm not making it that easy for you.
: Is it my birthday? This stuff ''feeds'' me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: I agree with that guy! ItsWalky, you're an asswhole!! --[[User:FIELDMAN 298|FIELDMAN 298]] 8:14 PM January 2008 (UTC)
::Asswhole? Does that mean that Walky can entirely fit into an ass or that he is fully composed of ass? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 05:26, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

: Duuuuude. Walky may be a dick, but I still ''like'' him for some inexplicable reason. You, on the other hand, are just one sore drama queen.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 17:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: This is some of the most funny stuff I've seen in a while. Comedy PLATINUM. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: Bwa ha ha ha ha. Priceless. I think someone needs to get off the internets for a few minutes. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 02:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: Wait, you mean I didn't get drunk and write this? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 05:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: I wish lame puns happened to me. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 20:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Why do I get the feeling that guy has been permanently banned?[[User:Florky Man|Mr. Florky]] 15:55, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

==BANNED==

What the hell did I do to warrant a ban, exactly? As far as I'm aware, I don't even think I broke any rules, and if I did, an official warning would be appropriate. I received no such warning. I was not here for trolling and you know that - you use that bullshit excuse to get people to ignore arguments you can't handle. But you, personally, who made this decision, know I'm not a troll.

This is fucking low. I had little enough respect for you down to your ranting against the fanbase, Willis, but this is a whole new level of buggery. If you're going to use your comic to rant against and discredit people you don't like, the least you can do is suck it up when people rant at you back, and not act like a control-freak child.

I really don't think you're aware of your own actions anymore.
*Do the words [[Wikipedia:WP:NPA|no personal attacks]] mean anything to you? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:18, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
:: Do the words "warning before ban" mean anything to you? Rulemongering doesn't justify a decision anyway, since Walky is one of the people making the rules. There were plenty of personal attacks leveled at me, but I did not report them officially.

::I really find it hard to believe that you think it's completely on a rational level of discourse to claim that the comic strip I draw is about child pornography. If I'm not mistaken about your identity, you've been banned from almost every single Transformers web board you've had an acquaintance with, and I'm only doing this place a favor by getting rid of you. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:22, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

::: That's not an excuse. I will openly admit I HAVE been banned from several forums, but only because I repeatedly opposed the staff on each and every one of them; and with good cause, they all have roughly the same problem. People bully others either into liking the movie or to agree with the kind of views you promote - and since nobody can directly attack or discredit anyone, these people(and you are) are left to their methods.
::: For your current decision to be validated, the admins of those boards, boards which are influenced in turn by your anti-fan attitude, would have to be near 100% correct in their decisions, and those decisions would have to occur within a context that would map exactly onto here. Any rational moderator does not base their decisions so much off performance on other boards, especially when it's not even a messageboard they're operating. Two different media. I have openly said I despise all active Transformers boards for their level of authoritarianism, yet level of tolerance towards the pushing of certain viewpoints.

::: Not to mention that you're still operating under the fallacy of Appeal to Majority - that alone means I shouldn't really even have to counter you.

::: And don't even use the "CHILD PORNOGRAPHY" thing as an excuse. Again, any rational moderator would warn several times before a ban, I personally reversed that edit even though it was obviously intended to be a joke as anyone reading this knows what pile'o'bile already is. You have no justification for what you did, but your ego is too big to realise you can actually do wrong with your power. You'll never admit it, but I wouldn't be surprised if some part of you is pissed that I defeated some of your ramblings, whether they were directly written by you or encouraged by you, it's still the kind of guff you normally blew, and I managed to defeat it. You, and the mods of the big sites will always have your ban buttons - but you will NEVER be able to justify your actions to me. That's how I know that I'm in the right, at least in situations like this - solidly backed justification is almost always absent.
:::: Personal attacks + deleting comments in response to you = banno --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:36, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
:::: P.S. Sign your posts. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:36, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

::::: I have never intentionally deleted comments in response to me. I just moved one recently as it was in the middle of a paragraph of text. Not to mention that happened after you banned my original IP. Personal attacks alone are not grounds enough for a ban, especially when you're doing an awful, awful lot to be mercilessly torn into.
Need I point out that once again, you are unable to defend yourself properly? When does the "You're insane?" come? Ganging up of all your little friends since a majority always means you're right?
Do you even realise what a fascist shithead you sound like? Just because you're an admin of a place doesn't give you a free pass to be a dick with it. There's a difference between what you can do and what you should do that you don't seem to have learned yet.

[[User:67.159.44.88]]

: YOU BAN PEOPLE BECAUSE ****YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE

TRUTH****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111twelve FUCKING FASCIST PIGCOP NAZI WIKIPEDO '''ASSHOLE''' [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:32, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:: My gosh, now that I have seen someone mock the notion, it MUST be untrue. Please, where can I learn these 1337 debating skills?

:::Dude, I've been banned from twice as many forums as you, guaranfuckingteed, but they still let me post here because I'm not as goddamn retarded as you are. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:34, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:::: And can you demonstrate exactly how I'm more retarded than you? Or are you just, Walky style, dropping weighted terms to discredit someone's point of view without even trying?

:::::1. Hoop doesn't delete other people's comments on talk pages. 2. He actually signs his posts, which you've been asked to do many times, but haven't caught on. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:40, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:::::: I didn't delete anything. If I did, it was an accident because someone posted right in the middle of text it wasn't meant to be in the middle of. Not signing my posts doesn't make me retarded since it's blatant when I'm saying something. --[[User:67.159.44.88]]

Actually - come to think of it, you make fun of the idea that anyone running a site can be Nazi, yet you still mention you got banned from many forums. Does that perhaps mean that you genuinely got banned for being an asshole and not opposing the staff/local clique like I did?

:''any rational moderator would warn several times before a ban''
:Not true, some things are auto-ban. I don't think you ''did'' any of them, but I'm just saying.
:Dude- you got an expedited ban because you showed no signs of contrition, argued every point, used personal insults, refused to sign your posts even when '''repeatedly asked to''' (I had to go back into history and dig out which incoherent chunks of text where yours, because the posts weren't hierarchied properly so the debate was really hard to follow. This is why signin posts is important dumbfuck.)
:And ultimately you got banned because you were making a major nuisance of yourself in ''without'' any correlating '''contribution''' to justify keeping you around. You're a negative. You edited 3 articles- Fandom, Shortpacking and Ruined Forever- and ''all' of those edits got reverted because they either flames or crappy jokes that make the articles ''worse''. Even if I were to (generously) believe you didn't intend to start a fight, you picked the 3 flamebaitiest articles you could find and masturbated across them. ''Allah forfend'' you should write an ''episode summary'' or something.
:Unrelated- Walky can Talk:Fandom be semi-protected instead of full? Loserbot isn't registered. -[[User:Derik|Derik]]01:06, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

== Tip ==

If persistent trolls (especially those with offensive usernames) repeatedly re-create their user talk pages, the best method to deal with it would be to include the page on [[Project:Title blacklist]] and delete the vandalism user talk page. This would be better than protecting the actual page since the the vandalism page would technically not exist, won't come up in searches, and won't be indexed on search engines. In addition, the removal of such pages might discourage the trolls since they may see those pages as their accomplishments, which would encourage them to continue their disruption. [[User:GHe|GHe]] ([[User talk:GHe|Talk]]) 00:23, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

==Assaulthead==
[[User:Super Ducky|He's back]]. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 23:45, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:[[user:ANGELAGOTHUMPBYHERADMINs|And again]]. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:40, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
[[user:76.171.178.17|Once more]]. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:16, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
:[[User:ItsWalkys Mom is a bitch|And again]]. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
[[User:Mikaels Granny|Oh, God]]. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 22:43, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

== Joepedia permission ==

You'll be happy to know that I have posted on the community talk forum as you suggested. I'll wait for the consensus. Thanks for letting me know before I stepped on EVERYBODY's toes. --[[User:Destron Commander|Destron Commander]] 06:43, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== Talk:Prowl 2 ==

Could you merge [[Talk:Prowl 2]] with [[Talk: Prowl (RID)]]? Nobody is going to be able to find it since [[Prowl 2]] is a redirect. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

==blocking us 4 no good reason==
why are u blocking that kid who wasn't Kremzeek yet but now he is? we share our computer and before i was arcee, i couldn't edit either! [[User:Arcee|Arcee]] 19:36, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
:I've got a bad feeling about this pair of users...--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 17:13, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

hey! i have nothing to do with what he's been doing! i don't add not-all-that-good pictures! and i ''still'' didn't get an answer from you, ItsWalky![[User:Arcee|Arcee]] 17:17, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:Do you realize that if Kremzeek turns out to be evading his block via... say... [[User:Fire Convoy|Fire Convoy]], the admins of this site might just have to say "the hell with this" and block your shared IP?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 17:20, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

they ''did'', nut-brain. [[User:Arcee|Arcee]] 15:18, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
:For forever this time. Though the insult definitely isn't helping. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:22, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
WHAT?!?!?! THAT'S NOT NICE!!!! AND I WASN'T TALKING TO YOU ABOUT THE NUT-BRAIN THING!!!! [[User:Arcee|Arcee]] 15:24, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
:You're not allowed to call ANYONE a nut-brain. Say goodbye forever now. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:42, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

== [[User:Kremzeek!]] sockpuppet ==

[[User:Fire Convoy]] is a sockpuppet owned by [[User:Kremzeek!]]. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 18:52, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
:I warned you guys. Harsh moderation of troublemakers is better than keeping them around for 'comedy value'. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:11, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
::When the hell did I ever tell you I was keeping this person around for comedy value? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:06, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I think he's referring to Assaulthead, and using initial (not current) "policy" with that character as though it applies to these. Don't know why, though. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 21:52, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
::::I was not aware we updated our "policy" since the initial comedy stylings of Assaulthead. Either way, the point still stands - you could see 20 parsecs away that this character was not going to be a valuable contributor to the wiki, especially when he created an account for his 'sister'. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:30, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
::Walky has been out of state the past few days, and thus unable to check on the wiki as normal. I don't think the humor or lack thereof played into this present situation. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 02:41, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

We've got [[User:Florky Man|another one]]. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:16, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
[[User:Uncle Fungus|And again...]] --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:46, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

== greetings, oh wise one... ==

I admire your [[Primus|great]] [[Vector Prime|wisdom]]. I wish to be an admin like you. Is there anything I need to know about this? [[User:Pigs Fly|Pigs Fly]] 21:38, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
:Golly, I wonder who [[User:Kremzeek!|this]] [[User:Arcee|could]] [[User: Fire Convoy|be]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:45, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey, that does sound interesting. I want to be an admin, too. But who are Kreemzek, Arcee, and Fire Can-Boy? [[User:Dewbot|Dewbot]] 22:09, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, okay. I see them up there on the blocking for no good reason topic. Man, they look like idiots. [[User:Dewbot|Dewbot]] 22:17, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
:FYI, if you think insulting yourself is going to help, it won't. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:20, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

'''Stop insulting me! Those losers are not me!''' [[User:Dewbot|Dewbot]] 22:23, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

== Sorry ==

Sorry Willis, but your talk page has gotten too damned big. I've put all non-active topics into 2006 and 2007 archives except for the topics by Rosalie and Hilarious Stalker Guy. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:30, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
: Thanks, sir. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:55, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

== Looks like we need to talk to this "kid" again. ==

[[User:Kremzeek!|Kremzeek!]] is [[User:Frenzy DeceptiGoof|back again]], saying he'll be "good."--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 17:02, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:Guess who's a [[User:Powerpuff|bored Kremzeek sockpuppet]]?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 17:01, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
::[User:Wazzpinator|And again...]] --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 18:58, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

== I NEED AN ADMIN! ==

Hi, it's [[User:Florky Man|Mr. Florky]] from the Mini-con Matrix page. Something's wrong with the wiki. I'm not sure what key I hit but all of a sudden everything on this site is <big>'''''huge!'''''</big> I don't know who else to ask for help. Any idea how to fix it? [[User:Florky Man|Mr. Florky]] 15:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
:Fairly sure that's your text size on your browser, pardner.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:51, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
::Kinda odd that it's only affecting this wiki. How do I fix it? [[User:Florky Man|Mr. Florky]] 15:56, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I repeat: How do I fix it?[[User:Florky Man|Mr. Florky]] 16:00, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Settle down, man. I can't tell you how to fix it if I'm getting edit conflicts because you're freaking out. Text size changes usually only affect one window until you close your browser. Go to view, then go to text size.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 16:01, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Got it. That's better. Thanks, Rouscirousicousincanblanman.... Where did you come up with that unpronounceable name?(no offense) Answer me on [[User Talk:Florky Man|my talk page]]. I get the feeling this is gonna be the beggining of a ''beutiful'' friendship. Or of you eternally hating me for misspeling your username. Whatever works! [[User:Florky Man|Mr. Florky]] 16:03, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

This does not speak well for home schooling. Then again, what the hell does? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:36, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

== Destronium ==

Sorry 'bout that, Walky. Inadequate (i.e., zero) warning of edit conflicts happened again. Well, at least you got a better caption the second time around.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 18:57, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

== I love Hotshot, too! ==

Like I just said. He's my favorite TF. Also, this question <font face="Arial" color=red><b>''burns''</b></font> me: Is it Hot Shot or Hotshot? I've seen it both ways. [[User:The Ultimate One|The Ultimate One]] 21:24, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

== BANNED OVER AND OVER ==

Why do I keep getting banned by you. Do you just randomly ban people,david? I can understand the first time, but come on, I was new to this site. I didn't know what I was doing! You banned me like, last week for: THREATENING YOU?!!
what the hell? I never threatened you, you moron! Do you make up excuses to ban people, huh??!? Well I am going to try to ban you! Do you have emotional problems or something? HOW CAN ANYONE EVEN LIKE YOU. YOU ARE A BASTURD. well,feels good to get that off my chest, oh and these are all the things you are: peice of shit,shithead,basturd,bitch,ass,asshole(i spelled it correctly),moron,idiot,dumbass and jackass and a big stupid baby!
-[[USER:FIELDMAN 298]],JAN,2008,FRI.(UTC)
:What you did do, though, was vandalize his article. That's a bannin'! Bye! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:15, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
::Not to mention that evading a ban is... surprise, a bannable offense. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:45, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

==A Trial==
We hold a "trial" where I get a [[User:Chris McFeely|lawyer]] and a jury of random admins or other users who have never heard of me before, and a [[User:ItsWalky|prosecuter who I <strike>don't like that much</strike> ABSOLUTELY HATE AND DESPISE]](no offense), and we even get to call forth witnesses. This could decide whether or not I will be good and whether or not to give me a second chance(preferably with Kremzeek! cuz that was my favorite username). This may or may not have anything to do with me seeing a play of witness for the prosecution recently. [[TF's Biggest Fan EVER]] 15:57, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

This is serious. [[User:Uncle Fungus|Uncle Fungus]]<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

User talk:FortMax

2008-02-01T23:43:48Z

Charitwo: /* Note */

==Downshift (UT) move==

Hey man, I hate to be a pain, but doesn't the [[Style Guide]] say to abbreviate Energon, Armada, and Cybertron as (UT)? He's not a Cybertron character, apparently, but we could mark on the page that he's from the Energon portion of the Unicon Trilogy continuity. - [[User:Doogles|Doogles]] 21:31, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

:Hi, Doogles - The style guide is undergoing revision, see note on the community portal. It could probably be better marked. We had a long discussion on the Community Portal's talk page about it and eventually decided to use the franchise of origin for characters if and only if they needed disambiguation. So, no more "UT" suffixes. Sometime after Comic Con and the academic conference I'm going to right after that, I will update all the wiki's help pages. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:29, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

=="series Character"==
No. I thought it was necessary after seeing how absurdly bloated the Generation 1 category was and thought it would make things much more organized. I'm only doing it for series that have a significant amount of articles that aren't characters; I'm not doing pointless ones like "Operation Combination characters", as only one article in "Operation Combination" isn't a character page. Same goes for stuff like Robot Masters and Victory.

My interpretation of the Generation 1 category differs from yours, evidently. I take "Generation 1" to be the catch-all category of the continuity family, which includes stuff like the Beast Era and Robot Masters. Obviously, this includes Classics. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 17:18, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

:I agree that the Generation 1 category was bloated and I think having a "Generation 1 characters" category to address that is a good thing. I also think that this sort of significant reshuffling of how we categorize things could probably have stood to have been thoroughly discussed somewhere, like the Community Portal's talk page, prior to implementation. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:19, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

test test

==David Kaye==

I'm not sure about the word "regularly". In this context, it means Kaye has voiced both characters multiple times, and yeah, there are multiple episodes of Animated, but Animated should be taken as a whole. It's the only ''one'' series in which Kaye has voiced Optimus. "Regularly", used like this, I would expect to convey the same role across multiple series.

At the same time, G1 Megatron's speaking role in BW was so *small*... --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 18:59, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

:By your definition, Frank Welker's Galvatron wasn't a regular role, as he only voiced him for one full season + three episodes, where Kaye voiced Galvatron for three series.
:For Animated, Prime is a regular role for Kaye. He was hired to voice the main protaginest for the entire series. This isn't like the VA for Sixshot, who was hired to voice one character in a single episode, Wally Burr who would fill in to voice a recurring character if the main VA was unavailiable, or the various regular VAs who would also voice the one line for "Guard #1" --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:17, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

::I see what you're saying. For the record, I was going along the line of thought that "regular role" and "voiced regularly" were two seperate (though similar) uses of the word "regular". Apparently that line of thought isn't a common one, nor the one by which the word is used.
::I still don't think the word needs to be there; the sentence makes perfect sense and is still noteable without it, unless I'm forgetting something. King Starscream, at least, seems to have used the same thought process I did, so the note as-is may again be considered inaccurate by others. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 20:50, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
[[User:Lordhighannoyingstarscream|Lordhighannoyingstarscream]] 21:05, 16 January 2008 (UTC) I am a new user here and I am also sorry for the caption thing, but i just discovered that someone took away all the humourous captions and sarcasm in [[Vector Sigma]]'s info page. he is a somwhat important character so I think somebody should look into that. I also had an idea for the [[Unicron trilogy]] so if yoyu wanna fix anything i put a basic theme there as well as some content and images.

==Edit conflict==
My apologies about that. Believe me, I know what that's like. And it was on my own talk page. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:53, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

==Comic dates==
Why did you add dates to to original miniseries, then make them "unknown"? The month for original publication of The Transformers was right, if nothing - I got it from an old issue of Marvel Age. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 15:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:crazysteve had made a [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_thread/thread/371bda38dd8ae979?hl=en#08a422e4fbc2a95c post] on a.t.t where he was trying to figure out the actual release dated for the original miniseries. the dated for issues 3 and 4 come from Marvel Age issues 21 and 24. He then deduced issue two came out on July 31 and issue 1 came out on may 29th. However, there was a review of issue 1 posted on net.comics at midnight on may 21, so I then removed the release dated for issues 1 and 2. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:55, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
::... oh. Apparently I am a liar, as I not only did not add the month for issue #1, but - having dug out my copy of Marvel Age #17 - the original publication date for issue #1 was sometime in April. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 16:09, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

== Spoilers in profiles ==

For fuck's sake, stop putting spoilers in the character profiles! Those go in the Fiction sections, and always with the <nowiki>{{spoiler}}</nowiki> template. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 01:09, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
:Er, was there more than just the one? Because I was only aware of the one in Nanosec that got edited, and am not exactly sure how I merit a "for fuck's sake stop doing ____" notice.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 01:14, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

== Note ==

Do not revert me, I have been instructed by staff to remove all edits by this user. --[[User:Charitwo|Charitwo]] 23:38, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

:"Evidence" is present in the article history, btw, but you need not worry, this is being handled. --[[User:Charitwo|Charitwo]] 23:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

::If you have problems, please talk to [[w:User talk:Catherine Munro|Catherine]], I am following her instructions. --[[User:Charitwo|Charitwo]] 23:43, 1 February 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

User talk:ItsWalky

2008-02-01T23:42:13Z

Charitwo: revert

User talk:FortMax

2008-02-01T23:40:22Z

Charitwo: /* Note */

==Downshift (UT) move==

Hey man, I hate to be a pain, but doesn't the [[Style Guide]] say to abbreviate Energon, Armada, and Cybertron as (UT)? He's not a Cybertron character, apparently, but we could mark on the page that he's from the Energon portion of the Unicon Trilogy continuity. - [[User:Doogles|Doogles]] 21:31, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

:Hi, Doogles - The style guide is undergoing revision, see note on the community portal. It could probably be better marked. We had a long discussion on the Community Portal's talk page about it and eventually decided to use the franchise of origin for characters if and only if they needed disambiguation. So, no more "UT" suffixes. Sometime after Comic Con and the academic conference I'm going to right after that, I will update all the wiki's help pages. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:29, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

=="series Character"==
No. I thought it was necessary after seeing how absurdly bloated the Generation 1 category was and thought it would make things much more organized. I'm only doing it for series that have a significant amount of articles that aren't characters; I'm not doing pointless ones like "Operation Combination characters", as only one article in "Operation Combination" isn't a character page. Same goes for stuff like Robot Masters and Victory.

My interpretation of the Generation 1 category differs from yours, evidently. I take "Generation 1" to be the catch-all category of the continuity family, which includes stuff like the Beast Era and Robot Masters. Obviously, this includes Classics. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 17:18, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

:I agree that the Generation 1 category was bloated and I think having a "Generation 1 characters" category to address that is a good thing. I also think that this sort of significant reshuffling of how we categorize things could probably have stood to have been thoroughly discussed somewhere, like the Community Portal's talk page, prior to implementation. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:19, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

test test

==David Kaye==

I'm not sure about the word "regularly". In this context, it means Kaye has voiced both characters multiple times, and yeah, there are multiple episodes of Animated, but Animated should be taken as a whole. It's the only ''one'' series in which Kaye has voiced Optimus. "Regularly", used like this, I would expect to convey the same role across multiple series.

At the same time, G1 Megatron's speaking role in BW was so *small*... --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 18:59, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

:By your definition, Frank Welker's Galvatron wasn't a regular role, as he only voiced him for one full season + three episodes, where Kaye voiced Galvatron for three series.
:For Animated, Prime is a regular role for Kaye. He was hired to voice the main protaginest for the entire series. This isn't like the VA for Sixshot, who was hired to voice one character in a single episode, Wally Burr who would fill in to voice a recurring character if the main VA was unavailiable, or the various regular VAs who would also voice the one line for "Guard #1" --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:17, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

::I see what you're saying. For the record, I was going along the line of thought that "regular role" and "voiced regularly" were two seperate (though similar) uses of the word "regular". Apparently that line of thought isn't a common one, nor the one by which the word is used.
::I still don't think the word needs to be there; the sentence makes perfect sense and is still noteable without it, unless I'm forgetting something. King Starscream, at least, seems to have used the same thought process I did, so the note as-is may again be considered inaccurate by others. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 20:50, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
[[User:Lordhighannoyingstarscream|Lordhighannoyingstarscream]] 21:05, 16 January 2008 (UTC) I am a new user here and I am also sorry for the caption thing, but i just discovered that someone took away all the humourous captions and sarcasm in [[Vector Sigma]]'s info page. he is a somwhat important character so I think somebody should look into that. I also had an idea for the [[Unicron trilogy]] so if yoyu wanna fix anything i put a basic theme there as well as some content and images.

==Edit conflict==
My apologies about that. Believe me, I know what that's like. And it was on my own talk page. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:53, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

==Comic dates==
Why did you add dates to to original miniseries, then make them "unknown"? The month for original publication of The Transformers was right, if nothing - I got it from an old issue of Marvel Age. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 15:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:crazysteve had made a [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_thread/thread/371bda38dd8ae979?hl=en#08a422e4fbc2a95c post] on a.t.t where he was trying to figure out the actual release dated for the original miniseries. the dated for issues 3 and 4 come from Marvel Age issues 21 and 24. He then deduced issue two came out on July 31 and issue 1 came out on may 29th. However, there was a review of issue 1 posted on net.comics at midnight on may 21, so I then removed the release dated for issues 1 and 2. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:55, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
::... oh. Apparently I am a liar, as I not only did not add the month for issue #1, but - having dug out my copy of Marvel Age #17 - the original publication date for issue #1 was sometime in April. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 16:09, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

== Spoilers in profiles ==

For fuck's sake, stop putting spoilers in the character profiles! Those go in the Fiction sections, and always with the <nowiki>{{spoiler}}</nowiki> template. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 01:09, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
:Er, was there more than just the one? Because I was only aware of the one in Nanosec that got edited, and am not exactly sure how I merit a "for fuck's sake stop doing ____" notice.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 01:14, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

== Note ==

Do not revert me, I have been instructed by staff to remove all edits by this user. --{{subst:User:Charitwo/SigX}} 23:38, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

:"Evidence" is present in the article history, btw, but you need not worry, this is being handled. --{{subst:User:Charitwo/SigX}} 23:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

User talk:Suki Brits

2008-02-01T23:39:13Z

Charitwo:

OH MY GOD YOU'RE REALLY NEALE DAVIDSON!!!! [[User:Hooper X|Hooper X]] 05:21, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

==Pat Lee==
But it IS factual! That's what he wrote on his webpage! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:09, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
:Holy friggin' crazy. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 20:31, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

==You are now an Admin==

Hi Suki Brits, I've made you and ItsWalky admins for this wiki. I'm glad you can help :) Let me know if there is anything you need help with or can't do. Please have a look at [[Wikicities:Help:Administrators' how-to guide]] for the basics, and let me know if you want more admins added - two should start you off, but you may want more in time. Thanks again -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]] [[User talk:Sannse|(talk)]] 12:53, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

...so 'sexy piece of autobot ass' goes, but 'masteurjailbate' stays? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

:Sure, why not. The captions aren't supposed to be serious, and mostly, I can't think of anything to put in there instead. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 06:33, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

::The image caption is also phrased in a way to not sound like it's endorsing pedophilia. Bonus points for that. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:40, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

== Ep Template comments ==

Hi. Thanks for your feedback. The bright colors had fit in better with the design of my personal TF website, which already had more color; thus it didn't stand out as much. But here I can see your point, as the style of this wiki is pretty plain to begin with, such bright colors do stand out, and I can sort of see how they might be distracting. I like the idea of having some color in the table to help as an extra visual identifier of the groups. I have therefore muted the colors. Please check it out and let me know if you find it less distracting now. [[User:Telet093|Telet093]] 18:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

== Re: "vandalism" ==

I'm very sorry you consider that editing an entry to reflect a neutral point of view is considered to be vandalism.

My experience with Wikis so far has been that they are information resources, and while I don't object to humour being used in an entry, there is a certain amount of self-indulgent college-humour that diminishes potential of the resource.

That said, I respect that I am a newcomer to the community, and will do my best to insert a fart joke into a suitable entry at the first opportunity, in order to gain editorial approval. :)

:Thanks for the reply. I think what concerned me with the [[Grapple (G1)|Grapple]] article is that the caption that was there was expressing an opinion, *and* wasn't particularly funny. That being the case, I figured boring but accurate beat lame and indulgent, though it seems we differ on this.

:Like I say, I have no problem with things that are actually *funny*, but why leave something like [[Overhaul (G1)|this]] intact? It's restating something that's stated far better further down the page, and isn't actually funny, and has terrible grammar. When I changed it to something more sensible, it got reverted. Another example [[Abdul Fakkadi|here]] - this caption could be interpreted as a homosexual slur. To my mind, things like this *do* interfere with the quality of the articles. It looks amateurish, and this reflects on how worthwhile the wiki is as a whole.

::How could "Kneel before my epaulettes" '''possibly''' be taken as a homosexual slur? He's a self-important guy in a silly suit. The 'kneel' part is clearly imperious, not sexual. And why would kneeling inply ''homo''sexulity anyway? Can't girls kneel before the socialist might of Abdul Fakkadi? And even if it was- how is Abdul Fakkadi asking someone to serve him sexually a slur? Do you think any any homosexual act is inherntly degrading, and thus a slur?
::I mean, christ, get it right. Abdul Fakkadi is offensive to muslims, not gays.

::Look, here si what we concluded. "The main wikipedia has Transformers articles. If you can't figure out that orange guy is Grapple without a caption saying 'a picture of Grapple,' you belong there, not here. Teletraan 1 inherently assumes that you already have a decent-enough familiarity with Transformers to keep up with the way the articles are written. It's FOR FANS." And that means it doesn't have to be dry, informative and joyless. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

:::The "homosexual slur" comment was regarding [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Abdul_Fakkadi&oldid=21917 this caption]. Which was more making fun of people who WOULD make that joke, but since the joke had to be made in the process, it's easy to misinterpret. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::::Ha! I mean... ha.
::::Anyway, he's allowed to say that. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::True, it doesn't have to be dry, informative and joyless. But neither does it have to be one huge puerile fanboy in-joke. --[[User:Sofaman|Sofaman]] 01:24, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

:I know that this stuff relating to use of humour is kind of spelled out in "Tone and Voice", but are we just giving licence to subjective standards of humour that detract from the quality of the information overall? How much is too much? Is it only you and ItsWalky who decide? Is this the best place to discuss this? I really want to make a useful contribution to this wiki, and I'm happy to be advised on how to do that, but I need to feel that differences of interpretation and presentation are going to be respected, which is really about the only way that wikis can work. --[[User:Sofaman|Sofaman]] 14:22, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
::"He blowed up real good", I believe, is perfectly fine to have in the bio of a hi-then-die character, even if it restates it in the fiction section. Of course, that's largely my history in newspaper journalism talking, where all the important information is included in the first paragraph and then everything is elaborated in further paragraphs. This way, someone can get an idea of the most important attributes of the character without having to read the entire page. With this in mind, it's perfectly fine to mention that the character only shows up to die in his profile. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:06, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

== Question regarding a broad topic ==
Hi there,

I was wondering if, as an admin, you could please advise me on something? How can I go about fielding a question/suggestion for general discussion in a more systemic way than just on individual talk pages? It's just that I have a differing perspective on the way that this wikia designates certain continuity issues, and it's something that effects many entries. Naturally I don't want to go around unilaterally changing things to reflect my point of view, but I can't see any more general forum to discuss this. On Wookieepedia, the Star Wars wiki, they have a page they call the Senate Hall where people can discuss general topics concerning the site. Is there any way we could do something similar here? Failing that, how would you advise me to go about raising my issues for borader discussion?

To just give you an idea of what I'm talking about: I approve of the way that the site views the various different continuity families as taking place in alternative realities (obviously), however, I find the consistant use of phrasing which treats the Optimus Prime (and Megatron) character in different continuities as wholly different people poblematic. I view Optimus Prime in G1, RID and the Unicron Trilogy (for example) as being alternate reality versions of the same character, rather than wholly different characters with the same name and very similar personalities, which seems to be the way this site treats them. Although there is some argument to be made that this is the case in Japan where Convoy, Fire Convoy and Galaxy Convoy are not neccessarily alts of the same person (especially given the proliferation of Prime-lookalike convoys in the BWII & BWNeo), I think that American fictions consistently portray them as being different versions of the same individual, ala the common device of different versions of the same person in alternate universes as used in sundry sci-fi. Now granted most other instances of name-reuse (particularly in the Unicron Trilogy) give no indication of implying that, say, Armada Cyclonus is in any way and alternate version of G1 Cyclonus, but I think that with Prime and Megs this is clearly different.

On a similar note, I disagree with the inclusion of IDW's "neo-G1" continuity being included in the pages relating to other G1 characters. Although clearly very closely based on G1, the IDWverse is extremely different from any prior incarnation of G1, and is certainly far more different from any prior version than any of the orginal G1 fictions (or even Dreamwave for that matter) differed from each other, if you follow my drift. The entire war/premise/scenario is radically different and most characters have different altmodes and/or transformation schemes. If the forthcoming live-action movie is being considered adequately different from G1 to be considered outside of the G1 continuity family, then I would argue that the IDWverse should be as well.

...Anyway, that gives you an idea of what I want to discuss. ;-) Can you please advise me how I could most effectively air these issues to the wider usership?

Thanks, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
===Central Discussion Area===
:Thanks for that to you and Steve-o. We've got a small trickle of discussion on my topic happening over there now. I invite you to join in. Thanks, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

==Blackarachnia 'vandalism'==
ENOUGH with the accusations of vandalism, alright? I'm a member of Ben Yee's Transformers board, and there was a discussion on BA's telekinesis in relation to her mind link with Tarantulas. Pretty much everyone on there agreed that the theory is viable (the thread has subsequently been deleted for a while, but I'm sure I can find it in the archives). I'm honestly shocked at how staunchly you guys are REFUSING to even consider it; all the evidence is right there clear as crystal in the cartoon. BA and Tarantulas shared a mind link with each other that lasted four episodes. The mind link went both ways and was forced on BA until it was terminated equally as forcefully in Tangled Web. BA retained, at the very least, a great deal of Tarantulas' memories after the link was severed. The link was so powerful, that Tarantulas felt the pain BA experienced from energon radiation when she threatened suicide, and would've destroyed them both through the link had she made good on her threat. The link was confirmed in dialogue to be psychic in nature, which is why Megatron didn't detect any communications transmissions when they used the link to communicate. And, miraculously, after she became TM2, BA gained telekinesis. Oh, and at ''no point'' is it stated that the TM2 process granted a Transformer new abilities besides enhancing their existing powers and granting them spark-powered healing abilities. Hence, BA's telekinesis must've come from ''somewhere'', and her former mind link with Tarantulas makes the most sense. If you want to talk about 'wild rumors', there's a thread on Ben Yee's boards on ''how'' Tarantulas initiated the link, with the most common theory that he 'downloaded' himself into her mind, which coincidentally further establishes the "BA's telekinesis was her mind link with Tarantulas upgraded" theory.[[User:66.233.183.59|66.233.183.59]] 23:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

* right, and all of the other theories and speculation remaining on the other wiki pages on this site are more substantiated. Please. Not only are many of them far fetched, but they don't even have one reference of evidence to support them. Watch Beast Wars again, and it's clear that this theory is implied in-show, if not stated directly. Seriously, I'm really starting to wonder if you guys even watch the shows, considering how little you seem to know about them.[[User:66.233.183.59|66.233.183.59]] 23:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

== CSS change ==

Hello Suiki, I'm requesting a change to the sitewide CSS file. I've tested these changes locally and everything seems to be working fine. Additionally- these changes are fully namespaced (which is to say they cannot cause accidental problems with other layout elements.)

Please edit the page at [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]], and replace everything after '''/* Teletran-1 specicic bits */''' with the full contents of the [[MediaWiki_talk:Monobook.css|CSS talk page]].

This update consists of the new styles for the tobedeleted template (now merged with the old markup for the cleanup template) as well as some Wikimedia-standard table styles.-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 00:45, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you. I'll work on the actual template text to put it more in line with your wishes. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

=== CSS change 2 ===
Adding the the requested [[Template:Merge]], the actual ''text'' of the template is subject tt change, but the CSS is finalized for the requested image.

Can you please replace everything in [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] between '''/* Teletran-1 specicic bits */''' and '''/* wikitable/prettytable class for skinning normal tables */''' with the contents of the discussion page: [[MediaWiki_talk:Monobook.css]]? (For the future, is it easier to do this in parts like this, or should I put the entire modified monobook css in the discussion page for a simple cut-and-paste?)

This also includes a general-purpose 'tt1_nowrap' class, since Steve-o was looking for a way to do that a month or so back. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

===CSS change 3===
NN. Think this is the ''last'' of the requested templates. Could you please replace the parts between '''/* Teletran-1 specicic bits */''' and '''.tt1_nowrap''' with the contents of the discussion page?

I'd put in links but- seriously, look up one paragraph. ;-) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
:Done! --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 01:54, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

===CSS change 4===
Replace between '''/* Teletran-1 specicic bits */''' and '''.tt1_nowrap''' with the contents of the discussion page?

Spoiler template ''someone'' suggested aeons ago, tough less obtrusive than the others. (I really hope this is the last one.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 04:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

===CSS change 5===
Hey Suki, could you add the following code to the end of the [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css|site Monobook file]]? The class is used by used the wikimedia-standard template [[Template:Reflist]].

<pre><nowiki>
/* small footnotes for the reflist template */

.references-small { font-size:92%; }
</nowiki></pre>
-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:It is done. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 02:08, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you! Also, thanks for the revision of the Don Murphy article (before I blanked it.) Your note that was only one of 3 producers prompted a last minute change to my own version to reflect that. (I should have known, because I was just reading an article about those 3 squabbling to take sole credit for TF's success in the press.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

== Help please! ==
Hello there,
I'm hoping you can help me out, please. For some reason which is quite beyond my
understanding, It'sWalky has blocked me from Teletraan 1 (Re: Block ID is #49). The stated reason is "vandalism", which is patently absurd. Although I have strived to be polite at
all times, he has made more thanone hostile comments towards me over recent months
and I must protest that this current block is thoroughly unreasonable.
If the action which he is referring to as so-called "vandalism" is the incident
I THINK he means, then I respecfully suggest that he is grossly overstepping his
authority and quite possibly just has something against me personally, although
heaven knows why...

All I have done was post a very SHORT, admittedly somewhat gratuitous comment on
TWO Movie-related pages regarding my opinion (which went against a consensus of
a small number of users in a Community Portal discussion) of Teletraan 1's odd
categorisation of the IDW comic continuity as part of the larger G1 continuity
while contradictorily excluding the new G1-inspired film. My felt that they
should either both be included under the G1 continuity umberella, or neither.

But regardless, I'm not here to argue my point; the comments were removed by
another user and I'm happy to leave it there, so as far as I'm concerned that
should have been the end of it. My remarks certainly were not in ANY way
obscene, abusive, or in offensive by any possible standard. How this can be
considered "vandalism" is very mysterious to me. Perhaps if we were on Wikipedia
or Wookieepedia and dealing with their very strict rules about personal opinion,
but this site is rife with sarcastic, POV, wry and humorous content. Jam-packed
full, actually. I mean, for goodness sake; if anyone's concerned about
potentially ojectionable material, then I'd hate to be a Japanese person reading
this wiki given all the jibes made at their expense. One of the things I've come
to LOVE about this wiki is its sense of humour and creative, organic style. To
call my minor snarkiness "vandalism" seems totally at odds with the mood of
Teletraan 1, in my honest opinion.

I reiterate that I feel that this block is thoroughly unreasonable and I believe
is some kind of gross overraction and/or personal grudge on the part of
It'sWalky, although I can't for the life of me understand how I could have
managed to provoke such apparent emnity.

Can you please help me out?

Thanks,
[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
:"All I have done is post a... gratuitous comment on TWO Movie-related pages regarding my opinion (which went against a consensus... of users in a Community Portal discussion)." I think that pretty much covers it. There was a consensus. You blatantly defied the consensus on the grounds that you disagreed with the ruling. That's vandalism. End of story. Right? [[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 00:06, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
::There was consensus to leave it be. But not consensus on the issue itself. I think the movie belongs in the Generation 1 continuity family. IIRC so does Steve-o, and he's the most logical guy on the wiki. However- there's really not enough to say for sure one way or the other.
::Now, I think as sequels and more tie-ins pileup, the movieverse will become more and more G1-like to the point the argument will resolve itself in our favor. Less a consensus than ''dente'', "hold waiting further evidence."
::Of course, PacifistPrime wasn't around last time we went five rounds on the issue, so the subtlties of the 'both sides give up without having convinced the other' situation may have escaped him.
::That said Paci, it's bad form to go running to the other site admin before Walky even has a chance to reply. You don't even knwo what Walky banned you for, how is Suki supposed to pass judgement on whether or nto to override his fellow admin? Wait until Walky replies to clarify his reasoning, ''then'' disagree with him.
::It's polite to assume Walky's acting from a reasoned standpoint at least until you can ''prove'' it's his uterus making him crazy. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:34, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::With all due respect, Derik, I DID wait a few days for Walky to reply, and he's just ignored my email. [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
::::Mistake #1. Derik does not have due respect. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::I've reposted the content of the email on his talk page in the hopes that will get a response, but it hasn't so far. Given that I've now been blocked for something on the order of a week or possibly more, I think it's hardly unreasonable for me to take this up with another admin, surely? And if you want to talk about what's "polite", I think it would hardly have been too much to ask for Walky to have at least put some kind of short note on my talk page explaining his overzealous block, don't you think?

:::Oh, and Awa, are you seriously telling me that "defying" the consensus of a small group of users with two SMALL comments (that I obviously knew would just get deleted straight away anyway) constitutes "vandalism"? Worthy of getting blocked over? For real?
:::[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
::::I received no such email from you. And yell all you want on the talk pages. That's what they're for. Evidence may eventually shift your way! But, in the meantime, dumping your vitrolic grievances on the articles themselves is unacceptable. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:32, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::Paci... Paci... Paci... I gave you a perfectly good excuse of not having been part of the discussion last time and misunderstanding the consensus to hide behind... and you throw it all away.
:::::And for the rest- don't post something in the main article you know is going to be deleted <strike>without logging out first</strike>, post something that encourages your opponents, however grudgingly, to include that perspective in the article even if they rewrite your words. That's part of carrying on a conversation, creating truth through consensus. Anything else... is just throwing feces.
:::::Also, if you ''really'' want to get Walky's attention, hit him on [http://www.shortpacked.com/ his blog], not via e-mail. He allows anonymous posting! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
...! I'm baffled.

So now I'm being accused of "vitriolic grievances", "throwing feces" and "yelling".

What utter rubbish.

I have been polite at every turn, and the very WORST I can reasonably be accused of is sarcasm (in one isolated indicent, on the aforementioned two comments on movie pages, ONLY), something which hardly seems a foreign concept to this wiki.

Walky, I sent you an email the only way I knew how: I used the "email this user" button and clicked send. I got the sender's carbon copy just fine, so I can't explain why you didn't recieve it too. If I used the system incorrectly then I apologise, but I had no reason to believe that it hadn't worked. Oh, and Derik, if your comment "if you ''really'' want to get Walky's attention, hit him on his blog, not via e-mail. He allows anonymous posting" is intentded to be some kind of oblique suggestion that I have an interest in harassing Walky; pleeease! I have much better things to do with my time, for goodness sakes. And as I've explained to Walky in the past; I have zero interest whatsoever in blogs.

I am still amazed that any of this is considered reasonable grounds to actually BLOCK me. Do you guys have a "0.5 Strikes & yer out!" policy or something? Considering all the casual rudeness that goes around on the talk pages here, I find it hard to believe that my treatment reflects standard policy. Or do you treat everyone like this?

Could someone PLEASE do me the simple courtesy of giving me a reasonable explanation why I deserve to be blocked? And its that it? As far as I can tell my block is permanent. Is this so?

I am NOT a troublemaker, even though you seem to have already tried and convicted me as such. All I want to do is be a part of this wiki, make small contributions, start the occasional article and have polite, rational discussions. Am I really to be banned for using a little sarcasm...?

[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

P.S. Given that I addressed all of this to SukiBrits in the first place, I'd really appreciate it if Suki would weigh in at some point too, please. I'd really like to resolve this tiresome matter ASAP.

:''Could someone PLEASE do me the simple courtesy of giving me a reasonable explanation why I deserve to be blocked?'' You were blocked for intentionally, blatantly defying the consensus of a protracted discussion which you instigated and in which you were the only person advocating your position. It was extremely un-gentlemanly, and moderately pissy. Based on what you've written in the last couple days, I can accept that you were just "lashing out" and didn't really expect your comments to stay in the articles, but personally I still consider that to be disrespectful. You shouldn't make an edit which you know/expect will be reverted. I thought the 3-month duration on your block was excessive (and it's now been reduced), but I don't think being blocked in the first place, temporarily, is beyond reason for something like that. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:43, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Other users, including the admin who banned you in the first place, have already weighed in on ''why'' you were banned. I was not responsible for doing it, so frankly, anything further I have to say on the subject would just be repeating the same. I think it's perfectly clear as it is.

I was going to post something about how I'd stick up for you if you actually gave me good reason to, but as it is, the terms of your ban have been changed to something shorter. As it is, you're back in a week. If I were you, I'd sit back and ask myself if it's ''really'' worth fighting over that.

So there's your second chance. If you come back in a week and respect what your fellow editors have told you not to do, you'll be fine. And if there really ''is'' something unfair, I'll listen and advocate for you. But I would keep in mind that you're on thin ice as it is, and playing this victim crap isn't going to help you out much. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 23:23, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

:He was whiny about it too. It's not like his approach was "seriously guys, this seems excessive and can I talk about it and demonstrate that your impression of my maturity was incorrect," it was really more "Noo! this is so ''unfair''! Why me? You all suck and I shouldn't be held accountable for my actions b'cause I knew someone else was going to clean up my slop!"
:It's probably ''fortunate'' that the original penalty was (accidentally?) excessive-- because opening the floor for a reassessment of penalties based on conduct you do not dispute and then acting like a ''whiny bitch'' practically '''begs''' for an admin to make it ''longer.''
:<small>(Why yes, i was arguing in his favor earlier! I like to cause trouble like that.)</small> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

::Oh, great: so now I'm a "''whiny bitch''" who's playing "''victim crap''", apparently.

::Charming! My goodness me, you people really are a hostile bunch aren't you?

::So, let me get this straight; [[User:FFN|FFN]] can rag on my ass every other week simply because he disagrees with me, but If I DARE to protest that I have been unreasonably treated over a sarcastic misdemeanor, then I'm a goddamn deviant leper, right? Unbelieveable...

::Okay, YES, I did a bad thing. I admit it was uncalled for, defying the consensus of, oh, about five people? Given the wide, nay EXTENSIVE use of sarcasm and fecetious comments all over this wiki I honestly didn't think it would be such a damn big deal. But okay, whatever. It was wrong, fair enough. MY BAD. All I have done since is POLITELY protest my treatment over this matter and all I've got in return is mockery, name-calling and outright hostility. I mean, seriously...! Talk about disproportionate reactions at every turn.

::[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

:::Sir, I would hardly call your behavior at this point "polite". I thought Suki's comment was a little much at this point because the matter had been resolved. I asked her to say something because you'd asked, but I didn't know what all she had to say.

:::Regardless, though, please cease the hostilities? Play the better man and ignore what may be said to you at this point. In only a week you'll be able to edit and work again, and then you can prove your worth that way. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 02:37, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Oh, so now I'M the one being hostile? How do you figure? Have I called anyone names like "whiny bitch"? No, that would be YOU guys. Have I accused other people of being "pissy" and "throwing feces"? Nup, that'd be you lot too.

::::But of course, if I have the sheer audacity to stand up for myself, well that just can't possibly be polite, I take it...

::::What a terrible, terrible person I must be. Next time I'll know to just shut up and take the abuse gratefully, since that's obviously all you folks will tolerate. [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:::::"[[Wikipedia:Martyr complex|Mew mew mew mew mew mew mew!]]"
::::: '''Not once''' have you apologized for or even acknowledged that you should be held culpable for defacing an article. You remand restitution while sneering that you should not have been punished in the first place. You throw a '''tantrum''' when someone, such as myself, tells you "Gee, while it may be true your punishment was excessive, you're acting like a whiny brat which makes me have no sympathy for you." I'm not calling for you to be re-banned- I'm pointing out a defect in your behavior I '''really''' wish you would fix in the future.
::::: Are you sure you don't want to change your user name to PassiveAgressivePrime?
::::: I don't really care what your original offense was, because you're being a colossal asshole right here, right now. ''It's a bad idea to go around pissing people off while appealing a punishment''. Just- in general. I started out basically on your side and you have none-too-gradually dis-endeared yourself of me.
::::: Please amend your stricken holier-than-thou attitude in the future. It's '''really''' annoying, and it's not at all conducive to an actual discussion of what you did or didn't do and what punishment is appropriate. It makes me want to shut you up by squashing you.
::::: And '''I'm''' the unhealthily detached one. I can't ''imagine'' what it makes someone who thinks with his woman-parts like Walky want to do. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:09, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
It's interesting how I'm apparently the "colossal asshole" when it's you guys who are actually doing all the insult-hurling and name-calling. I haven't made one personal comment in this whole affair. Funny, that...

Oh, and for ther record, I HAVE apologised. More than once, actually. Get your facts straight, please.

But "PassiveAgressivePrime" is GOLD, by the way. I'd definitely declare that a genius call if it weren't such a laughable assertion.

Anyway, I've got much better things to do that take this abuse any longer. Think what you will.

Later, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

:hahaha i just noticed this. GOODBYE TO ALL MY WIKI FRIENDS FOREVER!!! [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

== 3d Website ==

I remembered that you showed an interest in the Blackthorne scans and were disappointed.
Hope this is more your alley.
http://www.3dtransformers.com/ -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, I've seen that, actually. Thanks, though, it IS pretty neat. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 13:35, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

==Stubs==
I'm not arguing against removing the tag from G1 Bumblebee's page, but is there some hard-and-fast rule about what actually makes an article a stub? Feels silly asking this, and Wikipedia's article on the subject supports the "common sense" method, but I'm nothing if not stupidly cautious. I asked Walky once and he said "Empty headings = stub!", which I took to mean as "irregardless of the article length and other content".
Then again, maybe he gave such a short answer because it's a ridiculous question. But here I am asking anyway. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 23:38, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:I think that's a pretty good standard- if portions of the article are still stubbed in without even a overall summary, I think it qualifies as a stub. :(I agree with you that an article stops begin a stub '''before'' it is exhaustively complete.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:It's an article that's just been started and has a long way to go before completion. That's basically the definition; nothing further has been discussed or agreed on, and I don't think we NEED anything more than that. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 23:43, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
::For clarification, I believe the article in question at the time was very much as Bumblebee's is now. It's more-or-less complete, with an introduction and many sections filled in with detail, but it also had a noteworthy number of sections that were just headers with no content.
::I ought to have been more clear with Walky way back when, I suppose. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 23:45, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I guess this is a discussion we DO need to have, then.
:::Wikipedia generally uses seperate stub templates for ''sections'' which aren't complete. I don't know if that's best for us, but I generally envision the stub category as being something that someone can look through for articles where ''anything'' can be added to them to be helpful; unlike Bumblebee, which while still not complete, is far from being in that state. If we really need something to indicate that the ''whole article'' isn't complete, maybe some distinction would be helpful. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 23:50, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
::::I also want to add that I don't really feel that strongly on the matter. But I guess we probably should reach some sort of conclusion. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 00:00, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::I think another separate tag would be best. "Stub", as shown, could lead to more confusion down the road, but not tagging the articles I think could lead to people scanning them and not noticing empty sections which they would otherwise be able to fill in. This certainly isn't a large concern, however...
:::::This came up because of the apparent selection of Bumblebee as a featured article. Do we have some way of noting that, to spur work on it ensuring it's completed "in time"? I imagine if it's not done by July it will just be pushed back until later, but I don't see a problem in encouraging work on the Wiki. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 00:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

== Hello ==
*Hello Brits this is Troyb a admin and buericrate of your new sister or whatever wiki, its called transfanon and we need you to place the news on the front page so that we can get more users, thank you. Also I'll give you a link tommorow.[[User:Troyb|Troyb]]<sup>[[User talk:Troyb|(CIS ShadowFeed)]] [[Special:Contributions/User:Troyb|contribs]]</sup>[[Image:Troyb2.jpg|20px]] 22:59, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
: No, thank you. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:19, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

*O.k. why not (Sigh...)[[User:Troyb|Troyb]]<sup>[[User talk:Troyb|(CIS ShadowFeed)]] [[Special:Contributions/User:Troyb|contribs]]</sup>[[Image:Troyb2.jpg|20px]] 00:45, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

:Because... your fanon wiki appears to have absolutely nothing to do with actual Transformers. If it was fanon in the sense of a bunch of speculation or something, trying to fill in gaps or retcon errors... I could see linking to it someplace, as that might be useful to fans who are looking for information. But it appears to be basically a wiki for your personal fanfic or something. We don't just link to random fanfics, so why would we link to that wiki? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 14:26, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

*Fine fine fine. But it seems you hate fanon. So '''fanon hater''' I shall leave.[[User:Troyb|Troyb]]<sup>[[User talk:Troyb|(CIS ShadowFeed)]] [[Special:Contributions/User:Troyb|contribs]]</sup>[[Image:Troyb2.jpg|20px]] 21:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

==Main page links==
Hi Suki Brits. I hope you don't mind, but I added redirects to the TV and Toys pages that you'd previously deleted since these were linked from the main page and might be useful for people to find articles on those topics. [[User:Angela|Angela]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Angela|talk]]) 00:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

== Talk:User talk:69.234.144.73 ==

Could you click on the article link on [[Talk:User talk:69.234.144.73]] and complete the edit that it pops up with so we can get rid of the red link? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:03, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:It would be a red link even if she did. We've broken fundamental laws of wiki reality, man.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 03:09, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::tested it on my talk page, and it does seem to break Wikiality. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:19, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:::However it's still a redlink, in spite of your talk page undeniably existing. It's uncharted territory. If it gets any weirder it'll require Furmanisms to describe it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 03:20, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::::The link is hovering there, on the page, like a vast predatory bird... -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 08:31, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::::That, or... talking like William... Shatner. --...[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:30, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::Suki did it. It's ''over''. FINISHED.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 13:45, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::For me, personally... IT NEVER ENDS! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:45, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Let me give it the worst case of INDIGESTION it's ever had! --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 18:48, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:God, I'm choking on all the [[Furmanism]] here. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 19:25, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
But if Walky can survive the tide of Furmanisms CAN WE DO LESS?--[[User:Chiasaur11|Chiasaur11]]

== Evil Decepti-Nazi Blocker ==

Why the fuck you had to do the Blocking? Are you crazy? Now Nobody send messages to me. If I find you my F-35 Lightning II will fucking get you. We will forgive you if you unblock everything otherwise, the Tanks Transform and roll out.
:''"...so long as they are able to rail at the wind on their own talk page, the troublemaker's ire has a natural and nondestructive outlet. Denied that outlet, they will seek to learn how to evade bans, and armed with '''that''' knowledge their vengeance is unbound to range as it sees fit."'' -[[User:75.73.88.32|75.73.88.32]] 23:24, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::Except he was IP-bouncing already ''before any bans or locks were enacted''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:06, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to hump you for saying that! My tanks will come and get you.

::Okay, that made me laugh for like five minutes. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 00:09, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
:::It's like watching a slow-motion train wreck... --[[User:TVsGrady|TVsGrady]] 00:56, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Any more blocks will result more fucking jets to get you.

Suki, You have such a fat tits that when you go walk down the street people go saying "AW FUCK THATS A FUCKING FAT TITS!"

Fuck You!

Thank you Suki for making us laugh about love... again.--[[User:Chiasaur11|Chiasaur11]]

==Sorry for the IP Jumper and Hacker==
Sorry for my Brother you blocked due to his obsession of war units. He was arrested for hacking into my computer and murdering to many US troopers so don't worry of him. Hey who changed my name to Spearhead? My brother the IP Jumper is executed yesterday for hacking and lets all including you celebrate a party for the execution of the hacker. I promise to be nicer than that other guy as long as I visit.(Spearhead 04:44, 7 October 2007 (UTC))

== So I don't lose this link ==

http://web.archive.org/web/20020624181245/lostfactor.net/depot/tfnames.html

== new comic nav ==

I think I've got a new comic nav template for the Marvel issues fully working. [[User:FortMax/Template:Comicnav]] It also has the option of no link for the second series allowing for when linking the previous and next issues for a reprint of an older story.

I also checked the list at TFArchive.com, and there was only one Marvel US issue that had more than two Transformer stories. One was part of a US comic, the 2nd was the last part of a UK story and the 3rd was the first part of a UK story. For the navbox for the 2nd story, we should link "next" to the 3rs story and link "previous" for the 3rd story to the 2nd story. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

==Assaulthead==
[[user:76.171.178.17|He's back]]. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:19, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
:This is really one of those times where I'm happy to be beaten to the punch. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 07:59, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
:[[User:ItsWalkys Mom is a bitch|And again]]. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:00, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

== We have a Kreemzeek sockpuppet ==

[[User:Fire Convoy]] --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:54, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[[User:dewbot]], too. he claims to have good pics. at least tell the guy how long he's blocked. he seems desperate. [[User:Powerpuff|Powerpuff]] 16:42, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
:...why would you care about Kremzeek sockpuppets getting told how long until their block expires unless you're a new one? The ''original'' Kremzeek account will be unblocked at the end of the month. The socks are permanently blocked.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 16:47, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
::No it won't. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:17, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Well then, somebody should revise that, because the current block ''will'' expire if an admin doesn't move it to an indef. Personally, I'm against an indef on this one just because I'm sick of seeing all the socks. I'd much rather give the original account another chance to screw up than have to deal with a new sock everyday at lunchtime.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 17:24, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
::::What kind of message does "evading punshiment for breaking rules and being fucking annoying by breaking rules and being fucking annoying" send? This person ''is not welcome here''. At all. Under any username. They HAD other chances. They blew them. I'd much rather continuially ban sockpuppets than pretend the original clot is somehow okay all because they "threatened" us with more rulebreaking and being fucking annnoying. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:29, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure it comes as a shock to absolutely nobody that they're back. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:17, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[[User:Wazzpinator|And again...]] --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:18, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[[User:Uncle Fungus|...And again...]] --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:48, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

== Log-in Problem ==

Hi Suki Brits,
I log-in, go to edit a page and I get this message:
''Have you forgotten to log in? A user name helps you track your contributions and communicate with other users. If you don't log in, your IP address will show up in the page history.''
I use Firefox as my browser and I was hoping you tell me how to fix this problem.
[[User:69.19.14.19|69.19.14.19]] 18:39, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
:I left a response on your [[User_talk:69.19.14.19|talk page]], which I'm linking to here in case you actually have a rotating IP address and aren't automatically informed. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

User talk:FortMax

2008-02-01T23:38:42Z

Charitwo: /* Note */ new section

==Downshift (UT) move==

Hey man, I hate to be a pain, but doesn't the [[Style Guide]] say to abbreviate Energon, Armada, and Cybertron as (UT)? He's not a Cybertron character, apparently, but we could mark on the page that he's from the Energon portion of the Unicon Trilogy continuity. - [[User:Doogles|Doogles]] 21:31, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

:Hi, Doogles - The style guide is undergoing revision, see note on the community portal. It could probably be better marked. We had a long discussion on the Community Portal's talk page about it and eventually decided to use the franchise of origin for characters if and only if they needed disambiguation. So, no more "UT" suffixes. Sometime after Comic Con and the academic conference I'm going to right after that, I will update all the wiki's help pages. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:29, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

=="series Character"==
No. I thought it was necessary after seeing how absurdly bloated the Generation 1 category was and thought it would make things much more organized. I'm only doing it for series that have a significant amount of articles that aren't characters; I'm not doing pointless ones like "Operation Combination characters", as only one article in "Operation Combination" isn't a character page. Same goes for stuff like Robot Masters and Victory.

My interpretation of the Generation 1 category differs from yours, evidently. I take "Generation 1" to be the catch-all category of the continuity family, which includes stuff like the Beast Era and Robot Masters. Obviously, this includes Classics. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 17:18, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

:I agree that the Generation 1 category was bloated and I think having a "Generation 1 characters" category to address that is a good thing. I also think that this sort of significant reshuffling of how we categorize things could probably have stood to have been thoroughly discussed somewhere, like the Community Portal's talk page, prior to implementation. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:19, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

test test

==David Kaye==

I'm not sure about the word "regularly". In this context, it means Kaye has voiced both characters multiple times, and yeah, there are multiple episodes of Animated, but Animated should be taken as a whole. It's the only ''one'' series in which Kaye has voiced Optimus. "Regularly", used like this, I would expect to convey the same role across multiple series.

At the same time, G1 Megatron's speaking role in BW was so *small*... --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 18:59, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

:By your definition, Frank Welker's Galvatron wasn't a regular role, as he only voiced him for one full season + three episodes, where Kaye voiced Galvatron for three series.
:For Animated, Prime is a regular role for Kaye. He was hired to voice the main protaginest for the entire series. This isn't like the VA for Sixshot, who was hired to voice one character in a single episode, Wally Burr who would fill in to voice a recurring character if the main VA was unavailiable, or the various regular VAs who would also voice the one line for "Guard #1" --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:17, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

::I see what you're saying. For the record, I was going along the line of thought that "regular role" and "voiced regularly" were two seperate (though similar) uses of the word "regular". Apparently that line of thought isn't a common one, nor the one by which the word is used.
::I still don't think the word needs to be there; the sentence makes perfect sense and is still noteable without it, unless I'm forgetting something. King Starscream, at least, seems to have used the same thought process I did, so the note as-is may again be considered inaccurate by others. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 20:50, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
[[User:Lordhighannoyingstarscream|Lordhighannoyingstarscream]] 21:05, 16 January 2008 (UTC) I am a new user here and I am also sorry for the caption thing, but i just discovered that someone took away all the humourous captions and sarcasm in [[Vector Sigma]]'s info page. he is a somwhat important character so I think somebody should look into that. I also had an idea for the [[Unicron trilogy]] so if yoyu wanna fix anything i put a basic theme there as well as some content and images.

==Edit conflict==
My apologies about that. Believe me, I know what that's like. And it was on my own talk page. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:53, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

==Comic dates==
Why did you add dates to to original miniseries, then make them "unknown"? The month for original publication of The Transformers was right, if nothing - I got it from an old issue of Marvel Age. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 15:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:crazysteve had made a [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_thread/thread/371bda38dd8ae979?hl=en#08a422e4fbc2a95c post] on a.t.t where he was trying to figure out the actual release dated for the original miniseries. the dated for issues 3 and 4 come from Marvel Age issues 21 and 24. He then deduced issue two came out on July 31 and issue 1 came out on may 29th. However, there was a review of issue 1 posted on net.comics at midnight on may 21, so I then removed the release dated for issues 1 and 2. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:55, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
::... oh. Apparently I am a liar, as I not only did not add the month for issue #1, but - having dug out my copy of Marvel Age #17 - the original publication date for issue #1 was sometime in April. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 16:09, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

== Spoilers in profiles ==

For fuck's sake, stop putting spoilers in the character profiles! Those go in the Fiction sections, and always with the <nowiki>{{spoiler}}</nowiki> template. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 01:09, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
:Er, was there more than just the one? Because I was only aware of the one in Nanosec that got edited, and am not exactly sure how I merit a "for fuck's sake stop doing ____" notice.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 01:14, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

== Note ==

Do not revert me, I have been instructed by staff to remove all edits by this user. --{{subst:User:Charitwo/SigX}} 23:38, 1 February 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

User talk:Steve-o

2008-02-01T23:37:45Z

Charitwo:

My fellow bad guys - I, '''David Willis''', your leader, will speak now about my, '''David Willis'''', plan. My villainous, villainous plan. Question the plan at your peril!......Uh, any questions? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I knew ItsWalky was evil! [[User:Fire Convoy|Fire Convoy]] 18:26, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

:He seemed nice to me. [[User:Florky Man|Mr. Florky]] 19:03, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
----
:Hi Steve-o. The disapearing history certainly is a strange one. It's one for the technical types, so I've passed it on to JasonR. He's going to have a look and see if he can fix it. He can see the problem, so hopefully he'll be able to cure it. -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]] [[User talk:Sannse|(talk)]] 19:16, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Did I ever send you a set of 4 TF Audio adventures that lacked book-equivilants?

I know it's been asked before- but I'm not clear on the answer. Do we have a spoiler template? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:36, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

:Yes, such as a template that would HIDE the following spoilers. Other wikis have 'em. Are you telling me we're nto as good as the Thundercats Wiki, which doesn't want people to know Wileycub grew up to work for Mum-Ra? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:27, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
::We don't, but if you know how to make one, go ahead. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:58, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Bah. I was thinking about a highlight-spoiler-- which is eminently possible. But I looked it up on Wikipedia first. It notes that such a function is 'undesitrable,' because soem web-browsers highlight different, meanign the text is nto visible even if highlightd.

Bastard Browser Wars. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:50, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

This is the person who was "editing out all the little jokes that happen to have mild curses in them".
I thought this wiki was intended to be "kid-friendly", being a Transformers wiki. Apparently, I was wrong. I will stop doing that now.
Again, I am sorry.

Hi, Steve -- Borf the Dwarf here. Apologies if the jokes haven't been much good. Didn't mean to cause a ruckus. I'll take it easier next time. V. sorry. :)

==Quickswitch==
I'm guessing that Techspec info & mottos are not OK or is it? That's why I didn't put them in there. As to copy-pastes, I did the entries for both Wikipedia & this one on Super-God Masterforce. [[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 00:27, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

==Downshift move==

Ah, alrighty then. Guess I should've taken a look at the Portal first. Thanks! - [[User:Doogles|Doogles]] 22:41, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

== Episode Template comments ==

Thank you for your comments, Steve-o. At your suggestion, I have eliminated the word "tagline" as well as the date links. Sorry about that by the way; I also started using Memory Alpha (the Star Trek wiki) and they used the calendar template for airdates of shows and birthdays of performers and crew and other miscellaneous things. But if the consensus has already been reached that it's not necessary here, I'm fine with that and will not use any date links. Thanks for your feedback. [[User:Telet093|Telet093]] 00:23, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

==Spotlight titles==
See [[Talk:Spotlight (comics)]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:45, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

== Various and sundry ==

On your to-do list...
* Template:Shenanigans - Vanilla display-only messagebox that does just what it looks like, functional equivalent to a disputed-content notice template on wikia
* Template:Fact - [citationneeded] template, direct off wikipedia. (Actually, a bit simpler, wikipedia had an option for cats or something I stripped out.)
* Category:Cleanup by month - Cleanup tags by month. The first sub-section of this page (giving an at-a-glance summary) can be auto updated by a script - the same one used for this purpose on en.wikipedia.org with a few tweaks on the pattern-recognition to accommodate wikia's different grammar. The script logs in as me, so I put in some safeties to keep it from running more than once a day, and a kill-switch in case of malfunction. (I should probably give the code for that to Walky...) It's overkill for this wiki- but a nice extra.

(I'm contemplating whether the cleanup cat might more useful as a ''needs-improvement'' cat, since that's likely to receive use on this wiki...)

The one wrinkle likely to confuse you is the the use of: {{#if}} in the templates, a boolean [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ParserFunctions parser function] that lets the template do things only if certain variables are set. (And thus allows for a neater layout.)

Hope this is useful. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:39, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

==re: Quotes==

Actually I just put them in there to color up the pages, but some were pretty boring. Maybe I'll try and find some more apposite ones. --[[User:Autobus Prime|Autobus Prime]] 23:12, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

==Interlanguage links==
Hi Steve. The edit by HardStuff you reverted on the [[Main Page]] was actually a useful edit. He was adding an [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Interlanguage links|Interlanguage link]] which is a link that points to the same article on another language version of the same wiki. In this case, the link was pointing to the new [http://hu.transformers.wikia.com Hungarian Transformers Wikia]. The link appears in the left sidebar in the "other languages" section and is the easiest way for people to find this content in their own language. If you look at Wikipedia, you'll see this is used on many articles to link to the same topic in a different language. [[w:User:Angela|Angela]] <sup>[[User talk:Angela|talk]]</sup> 18:58, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

==Central Discussion Area==
Thanks for that. We've got a small trickle of discussion on my topic happening over there now. I invite you to join in. Thanks, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

==Blackarachnia and Tarantulas==
It's simple: Blackarachnia and Tarantulas shared a forced mental link for four episodes, one which went both ways according to Tangled Web and Other Visits. BA forced Tarantulas to break the link through suicide threat via energon; if you'll watch closely, their mental connection remained for a good half-minute or so ''after'' Tarantulas said the link was terminated (circumstantial, I know, but possible evidence that the energon interfered with the link temrination? I mean, they ''did'' note that BA's suicide plan would take out Tarantulas through the link, and he ''was'' feeling BA's pain of the energon radiation through it...). Also, BA retained many of Tarantulas' memories after the link was severed. The link was specifically stated to be ''psychic'' by Tarantulas, not technological (as evidenced by Megatron not detecting any transmissions between the spiders when the link was used). All that indicates that some traces of the link remained in BA's mind, and were upgraded by her reformatting into Transmetal 2. No offense, but I can't believe you watched BA's show of telekinesis in Master Blaster and ''didn't'' think "Hmm, mind link with Tarantulas?".[[User:66.233.183.59|66.233.183.59]] 18:27, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:But what does telekinesis have to do with a mind-to-mind link? (Also, shouldn't this discussion all be on one page, specifically [[Talk:Blackarachnia]], instead of being spread across several user talk page?) --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
::I think his point is they're both psychic powers, and maybe one caused the other.
::Valid a point as that is- it doesn't seem consistent with the overall 'rules' governing how Transformers acquire psychic powers. Mutation due to a bad, unusual or too-frequent reformatting seems to be the usual cause. So I'd blame the TM2 Driver or her reformatting moments ''after'' death for her telekinesis instead. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:06, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:::The point is WAAAH ACCEPT MY FANFIC AS CANON. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 03:07, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

== CSS Question ==

Steve, in response to your CSS question on ''my' talk page- the death's head is ''supposed'' to dangle off the bottom of the box, just like Jimmy on the [[Beast Wars|cleanup]] template. Sticking a minheight on the message box just makes it look ghey.

Is it that you want the box to have more breathing room beneath it? I can ''do'' that. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:11, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

== Link Fix ==

Hey Steve, can you get the Diagnostic Drone to change all the [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]]s to [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]]'s? (there's a lot of them.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:25, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

== Flash archive ==

You asked the other day whether anyone was actively archiving these flash-sites (which don't come up clean in archive.org.)

I've got a couple working now with all the resources backed up- some little games plus Dwwbot (man what a pain) and an image of the S7 site as of Deceptibot. (140mb!)

Would you be interested in being a backup archiver? I'd just as soon not have these vanish if I suffer a hard drive failure. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:04, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

== AllSpark/All Spark ==

Or, "Marcia Marcia Marcia". Steve, Frenzy's subtitles consistently parse the name as "All Spark". To the best of my knowledge, no other movie-related item has done this. However, since all of that fiction is based around the movie, should we not use the name as it appears in the movie? I haven't changed Megatron's entry back, but there are other articles in which "All Spark" was used. Interrobang mentioned this on the Allspark's talk page, and I think it's something we need to resolve so we can be consistent about it in movie-related writing. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 15:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Steve - can you have DD replace "R Blade" with "R-Blade" and "Psycho Orb" with "Psycho-Orb"? I don't like the advanced search on Wikia very much. -[[User:LV|LV]] 20:04, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

== Headmasters things ==

As you were able to fill the blanks in for me on "[[The Emperor of Destruction Vanishes on an Iceberg]]", I call upon you again for more of the same. It got bumped off the recet changes pages pretty quickly - the same problem afflicts "[[Operation: Destroy the Decepticons]]" (although it might just be a clip sequence there, which I wouldn't bother counting), and more importantly, "[[Duel on the Asteroid]]". I've listed what I can based on the scripts included on the DVDs, but without the video, ah cannae be sure, captain. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:44, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

== i need a bot to help ==

See my edit(s) to the [[galvatron]] page? grand i need the bot to keep ot that way for now, untill a funnyer comment arises {{unsigned|58.165.241.232}}

:Um... No. Also, please learn to write proper English before contributing further. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 16:37, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

== Tigatron / Polar Claw ==

An anonymous editor recently changed one of your additions to the Tigatron article: [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Tigatron&diff=next&oldid=84302]. I don't really remember the story anymore; your version sounds right to me, but I'm not sure enough of it to make the revert myself. Take a look? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 04:27, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
:Easily done. I've elaborated on the production choices that led to this decision, and the lingering link back to the original character reflected in where Tigatron awakened.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 05:21, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

==Bot request==

Having moved the Mechanoids/Drones article to correctly reflect canonical usage, the category now also needs to be changed. Can you have your bot change all of the <nowiki>[[Category:Mechanoids/Drones]] to [[Category:Drones]]</nowiki>? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:37, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

== Autobots Secret Weapon ==

[http://www.emopanda.com/tmp/asw.rar ASW], seriously, I found this on my ''old'' corrupted hard drive. I fear it shall go away if not online.

Also, I just took photos of the 2' tall 'giant' transformers coloring book. They'll need some post-work to make the presentable. Also-also, I have a (mostly) functional 'image' of the final state of sectorSeven.org that someone else shoudl probably be holding. (I'd debatign the relative benefits of artifically adding the early e-mails, no logner on the site, back into it. It's less accurate- but they were the only content dropped and... i don't think it was on purpose.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:48, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

== Megatron's revert revert? ==

Hi. I don't get the joke, what does Megatron falling on his back and firing off his cannon have to do with MMPR? The other joke was better IMO. -[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:30, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

==Mt Dew bot==
I actually went and hunted down a pirated clip from the movie on YouTube... and though the quality was iffy, comparing the game image to the control art to the movie image... they sure look like the same bot to me, save the face and arm-cannon. I'll concede the game Dewbot's arms look a little longer, but we're still talking a four-armed, digitigrade, grey-cone-headed with two sets of optics and limited torso. At BEST they're small variants of the same base. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 08:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
:<nowiki>*checks his pirated copy*</nowiki>
:The MDR in the movie does indeed appear to be based ont he Proctor design... except the Proctor design, if you look at it close-up, appears to have bottles in its legs, not cans. The CtC design, by contrast is a ''much'' slimmer version of the same bodyframe, vends bottles, and has a different head.
:Different head, different product, different time (the CtC MDR exists earlier in the movie timeline),. and different armarment (in CTC the MDR seems to have no weapons, even in the cinematics it's having to break through stuff with its hands.) == Different bot. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:49, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the page already says that the movie bot is clearly not the same bot as in the game, but this being a plural-bot page... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 09:02, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
::::I was being emphatic. ;) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:29, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
==Copyrights Question==
<nowiki>*poke*</nowiki> Okay, so I have this ''thing'' over at [[Template talk:Hastak]]. Do you know the answer?

I did some checking, and it turns out only about 1 in 6 images uploaded include any variant of the phrase "Copyright X, 19XX." (I ripped the upload log, so some portion of those got them added later... but not many.) I'd kinda like to know if we have 3500 images inadequately copyright-tagged or not. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:29, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

== Bot request: "Part" in comic titles ==

Hi Steve, I've been changing uppercase "Part" to lowercase "part" in comic issues because the word "part" is not really part of the title. For example, "Devastation, Part 1" was changed to "Devastation, part 1". It could have just as easily been "Devastation, issue 1". Can the bot go through the site and change the rest of these, as well as the links throughout the pages? Thanks.--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 22:34, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
:Sorry about that, then. I didn't know there was still disagreement, and I only moved the Beast Wars comics because the Ascending issues already had that style. I honestly don't have an opinion one way or the other. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 22:54, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
::Not your fault. Tee kinda changed his mind midstream and started doing (issue X) instead of part x.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 22:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, but thanks for doing that Interrobang. I've linked them up within the BW series. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 05:18, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi Steve. Yes, we should probably come to a consensus in the naming conventions. How do we put things to an "official vote" per se? I was bored today so I moved the Infiltration and Escalation issue pages. In any case, I am going thru and fixing all the references I can (part X, Part X, Issue X, etc) to (issue X) so that if we DO decide on a new scheme, it should be easy to do a mass replace. I'll stop after I fix all the Infiltration references. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 23:22, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
:Any decisions made yet? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 21:35, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

==To-Do List==
"We take our Transformers seriously."<br>
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.<br>
(Might wanna clarify that.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:27, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

==requesting for transformers wikia indonesia==
Hi, i'm just a newbie here..i just wanna ask you, can i make a page of Transformers Wikia in Indonesian language...if can, what can i do? thx! Reply asap..please!
[[User:Thekondez|Thekondez]] 02:10, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
You can do that at [http://requests.wikia.com/wiki/Request_Wiki:Request_a_Wikia here], but I'm not sure how to select the language. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:04, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

==Japanese ranks==
So are we removing all the Japanese fiction, or what? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 01:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:Um... no? Not even remotely? I was, however, removing links in English-language fiction sections to ranks that don't exist in English-language fiction. I may have been a little overzealous in some instances. If you want to restore some of them I'd be happy to discuss it. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 01:49, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::I think for episodes that did air in Japan, and for people that are specifically noted by that rank, should be mentioned as such. I'll admit, I added most of those links that you removed, but some I just provided links to. I'll try to cut back on the Emperor of Destruction thing, but do we have a Western fiction equivalent for leader of the Decepticons? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 01:51, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::: "Decepticon leader," Megatron's function. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:58, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I guess I can see where you're coming from -- the Japanese continuity does include those episodes, after all. But at the same time, I don't like the idea of making assertions about English fiction (such as, "Megatron is an Emperor of Destruction") based on stuff that is arguably not the same continuity. I tend to view the Japanese late-G1 stuff as "add-ons" to the American fiction, rather than the American fiction being "just part of the story" that was told in full by the Japanese. But I don't think either perspective is "right"; they are equally arbitrary. If there's a way of putting the links in with a note or something, so that readers aren't led to believe that the Japanese titles have any meaning in English fiction, that would be okay with me. I'm not really sure how that would go, though. :( --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 02:51, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

==J-original cats==
I don't see how that'll conflict with my subgroup stuff. Feel free to unleash the bot. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:28, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:Any chance we could get the bot to remove the "Japanese-original characters" category from articles in the subcategories (Beast Wars Neo characters, Masterforce characters, Operation Combination characters, and Victory characters)? I would do it myself, but I'm really burned out at the moment. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:21, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== TM2 Category title name change (Drone request) ==

[[user:JW|JW]] noticed [[:Category:Transmetals 2]] is... wrong. (it should be [[:Category:Transmetal 2s]].) This affects 19 articles. Since it's more than 17 articles (my arbitrarily-decided break-off point where hand-editing becomes obnoxious) I'm requesting the Diagnostic Drone make the change.-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:11, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
{{notebox|justification=left|note_text=
ALL OCCURRENCES OF: "Category:Transmetals 2"<br/>
CHANGE TO: "Category:Transmetal 2s"<br/>
|extranote_text='''Status:''' NOT COMPLETED
}}
:<nowiki>*</nowiki>sigh* and apparently the change is disputed. Please check [[Category talk:Transmetals 2]] when you see this and see if a conclusion was reached. Shelve the request as appropriate. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:15, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
::Like hell it should be! Transmetals 2 is CORRECT ENGLISH. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:10, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Then shelving the request would be the appropriate response, wouldn't it?
:::Go fix [[:Category:Things that don't exist]]. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:18, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

==Assaulthead==
[[user:76.171.178.17|He's back]]. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:17, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
:[[User:ItsWalkys Mom is a bitch|And again]]. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
== Steve-O, I saw your site and I want some lyrics.... ==

Please tell me you can get the lyrics to ''"Rombi di tuano i cieli di fuoco per i Biocombat"'' in English '''and''' Italian. If you do not, I will mess with your page! [[Megatron (BW) |Yesssss.......]] [[User:Fire Convoy|Fire Convoy]] 19:10, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

:psst... Fire Convoy is a Kreemzeek sockpuppet --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:25, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

SHUT UP, FORTY! I AM NOT A SOCKPUPPET! '''''I AM AN [[Optimus Prime (RID) |AUTONOMOUS ROBOTIC ORGANISM FROM JAPAN!]]''''' [[User:Fire Convoy|Fire Convoy]] 18:30, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

and if i don't see my lyrics here in five minutes....... YOUR PAGE IS DOOOOMED, STEVE-O! MWA-HA-HA-HA-HA! HA! HA! Ha! ha. ha...... This is boring. But I '''will''' mess up your page. [[Megatron (BW) |Yesssss.......]][[User:Fire Convoy|Fire Convoy]] 18:33, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Your five minutes are up! And there are no lyrics yet! YOUR PAGE IS MINE!(insert [[Tarantulas |maniacal laugh]] here) [[User:Fire Convoy|Fire Convoy]] 18:42, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
:Wow. You are so about to be banned. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 19:14, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

He probably ''is'' banned by now. However; I agree with him on one point. Steve-O has a TF site of his own (or it's a strange coincidence that an admin has the name Steve-O when there is a site called "Steve-O's Transformer Site"). It has the french G1 theme's lyrics but not the ''Biocombat'' lyrics. Why didn't you get those, Steve-O? [[User:Florky Man|Mr. Florky]] 19:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

== CSS Change - Jan 2008 ==

I'm requesting changes to [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css|Monobook.css]]. Cleanup, organization, an a sextet of new styles to largely disable image tagging and 'report a problem,' two features I'm pretty sure Walky would turn off if he could. Request is detailed on the [[MediaWiki talk:Monobook.css|talk page,]] a link to a sandbox for your copy-and-pasting convenience is also included.

There's also a UI change (haven't done one of these before, but it looks straightforward...) which requires a Sysop. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:40, 24 January 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

User talk:ItsWalky

2008-02-01T23:37:05Z

Charitwo:

User talk:Suki Brits

2008-02-01T23:36:10Z

Charitwo:

User:Suki Brits

2008-01-21T21:11:24Z

Charitwo:

'''Suki Brits''', better known as '''Skyblitz''' in other parts of the fandom (it's a very clever pseudonym, you see), is the other admin on this wiki. Don't hesitate to contact her if there's some sort of problem or dispute that needs assistance. She also deals with the more fiddly, technical things here. She's much less surly than [[User:ItsWalky]], she promises.

She's also some sort of [http://www.scoutshonour.com writer] or [http://www.scoutshonour.com/lilyofthevalley/ programmer], apparently, but who cares about that?

==Contact information==
Especially in case of vandalism, IM may be your best bet.
* AIM: ''Ruscaceae''
* MSN: ''chris@scoutshonour.com'' (Don't e-mail here, it's a spam trap)
* e-mail: [mailto:scout@scoutshonour.com scout@scoutshonour.com]<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

User talk:Chris McFeely

2008-01-21T21:04:07Z

Charitwo:

I'd just like to say that the continued expansion of the Headmasters cartoon articles is pretty awesome... even if the episodes themselves are so not. THIS is the kind of shit that our wiki really needs to make it stand out... we got the dirt on EVERYTHING, not just "hey look I remember this guy from 1984". You can get information on Optimus Goddamn Prime anywhere on the web. A rundown of the Japanese episodes and incidental characters and bizarre powers?... (Incidentally, does "Cross-Head-On" have an article? Should it?) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:58, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

:Ta, guv'nor! It just remains to see how long before I get distracted by something shiny and forget about 'em. As for Cross-Head On, I covered the process in the [[Transtector]] article (which I should update to remove that bit about the different Transtectors' powers. "Head On" doesn't deserve an article, it just being the plugging-in of the head, so I don't reckon the Cross-Head On warrants one either, really. Mind you, I'm trying to remember where the "Head Formation" fits in. I'll see when I get to it in the show, I guess. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]]

::I think it would at least warrant a redirect link to a relevant sub-section of the Transtector article. Even if the whole process is vague at best... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:23, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Not including copyright on your images makes Baby Jesus's lawyers cry. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:48, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

==Miranda II==
DUDE! That caption you gave to the [[Miranda II]] pic is great! Thanks! I couldn't think of anything to say and that's PRECISELY what I should have said, given how much I hated the series after episode 16! --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:21, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

== Master Builder(s) ==

Hi just wondering what you meant by your comment that the DVD got it wrong. The screen cap I posted was from the actual episode (not a DVD title screen) and it clearly shows the title as singular. I guess I'm just wondering what official source states the title as plural—if you know? [[User:Telet093|Telet093]] 02:20, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

==Auto-Bop==
Hey, Chris? Is there any way to determine which thug in Auto-Bop is "Dag"? I'm screenshotting the episode, and "Furg" was easy to figure out... but there's several other incidentals with speaking voices. I'm thinking either the guy who gives Poplock and Rocksteady the free passes or the Dancitron doorman. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 11:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

== Transformers (2007) ==

In honor of your outstanding achievement in posting the best snark ever, I hereby bestow upon thee the Andrusi [[wikipedia: sea lion|Seal]] of Approval. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 23:58, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

== Money is everything ==

Hey, do your scripts tell you what unit for force Computron uses to activate Abominus's timer mechanism in the final act of MiE? I can't make it out. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:35, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

==?==

What part of ireland are you from?[[User:GWolf]]

== Quint Q's ==

Were the various Quintesson ships or Quint body types refereed to as anything in the original scripts? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:54, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

:Alas, nay. They're all just randomly "Quintesson," "Quintesson Scientist," "Quintesson Leader," etc. Just describing the role of the character in the episode, rather than as a name for the body-type. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:40, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
::Drat. Well, thanks. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:47, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

==???==

Just wondering. You're the guy who did the audio commentary for HM right?
:Yessir, that's me. I also appeared on the Masterforce, Victory and movie DVDs. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:09, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

==Fort Max voice==
Chris, if there's some sort of dispute/common error about the voice for RID Fort Max, maybe you should add a note to that effect. That way people won't think that our article has an error in it. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 18:48, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

==IT MUST BE COMPLETED==
Hey, Chris. Please tell me you have the second half of "[[The Beast Within]]", so we can complete this memorial to the worst thing ever. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 22:09, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:Ye-es, sadly. Should I dig it out, or can I just invite you over to jam a rusty fork in my eye? (I ''really'' wish I could be nicer about this comic, since it's done by TheTF.Net's webmaster, an' all, but... there's just nothing nice to say about it...) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:12, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::Scans needed, then. For science! (I'm masochistic. I am so sorry.) [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 22:26, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

::Aww, it's okay to feel bad Chris! I was actually trying to dig the thread where I yelled at you about your Ryo Annual story out of google groups because I thought I could recycle some of the language for a trivia note explaining ''why'' giving a fan writer ''one shot'' to tell a story in limited pages almost inevitably results in a stupid decision to do something 'signifigant' and bad/pointless rather than telling a good story... but I couldn't find it in the archives. :(
::You're ''allowed'' to be mean to Darren, because you've been through the same thing he has! ^_^ -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, but mine was editorially interfered with! :) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:35, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Oh, and it was Chris Funaro who made a comment on it, rather than yourself, Derik. Although I didn't really get what he was saying at the time, and I still don't. But I get what you're saying here. Although I wasn't making up what I wrote, as "The Beast Within" does - I was just stealing it out of Japanese video games. :) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::::Really? I know I drafted a response at one point, i wonder if the posting service lost it...?
::::I believe the nature of ''my'' objection was that you needed to step back and say "Gee, all this story is doing is awkwardly affirming the Japanese backstory of the character, complete with bizarre footnotes saying 'it's true, check out a series of video games not available in english if you doubt me!' Unfortunately doing this doesn't actually make Ryo any ''less'' confusing because if he's a dimensional refugee- why the hell does he haf a father on tamers!Earth?" Basically, you were were given a forum- which is fine, and a subject you wanted to talk about- also fine, but rather than ''add'' to the universe, you used it as a soapbox to declare "Yes, the Japanese backstory counts, and I'm goign to gloss over it in a quick-to-the-point-of-incoherence summary!" As a result the DM Universe 'looks' exactly the same whether this story had been published or whether it hadn't. Now if you'd used the story to explain about Ryo's father (given Ryo's brief cameo on adventure!Earth in 02) that explanation would have ''added'' to the universe, explained a problem- and the ''Japanese'' fans would be saying to one another "Hey, there's this official story published by the limeys that fits between the last game and Tamers and explains some things! Scanlations PLZ!"
::::Darren was given 8 pages to tell a story, and rather than tell a cute adventure that would add to the universe (and we know it's possible to do a full story in as little as 3-5 pages, we've seen it done, repeatedly) the enormity of the ''opportunity'' instead overwhelmed him and he instead chose to the ''biggest, kewelest'' thing possible. There's ''no'' personal interaction in the story- Predaking, Devastator, Menasor and Bruticus clearly were ''not'' actually killed (despite what the story implies) the Beast goes crazy and then it stamped down with Grimlock vowing that they will '''never speak of this again under punishment of catapult'''. So basically-- nothing happened, and there's a fiat at the end saying 'and the beast will never again appear anywhere, ever.'
::::Even ''ignoring'' that a Dinogot gestaly is a ''dumb'' idea and that part of why the Dinobots were ''awesome'' that they were a non-combining sub-group tough enough to kick a combining sub-group's ass... even ignoring that The Beast ''dripped'' 'kewl' and 'x-treme' and 'badass' in ways that should be avoided on principle... the true crime is that the story basically never happened. If you took it away from the universe, continuity would look ''exactly'' the same, except it would lack the footnote 'Dinobots can combine, but they never ever do because the combiner is crazy.' No personal interactions, the actions ''in'' the story (the deaths of the 'cons) dont' actually occur so they're not even worth counting as having occoured. The story is ''pointless'' You could have accomplished the exact same thing with a 1-sentence note in a Dreamwave guide. "Dinobots can combine, don't." It's a generic battle with generic deaths and generic angst spun around a footnote. It accomplishes nothing other than establishing that footnote to be true while essentially saying 'but you can ignore it because it will never be used again.' And I don't think Daren would ever have chosen to tell ''that'' story if he hadn't been dazzled by the overwhelming opportunity and become consumed by a need to do something significant.
::::The result is that people love and passionately declaim the virtues of Linkage, which ''everyone everywhere'' accept is ''actually happening'' during the Armada cartoon, off-screen. By contrast for this ''other'' multi-part DVD pack-in story (with more pages per installment) is so looked-down on that even the ''wiki'' staff, who are completionist freaks who delight in documenting the weird and the stupid part of Transformers were saying "Yeah... can we just leave that out? DVD pack-ins don't count, they're like the profiles calling Cyclonus a Unicron, right?"
::::And it wasn't that I dislike affirming Ryo's japanese backstory? I thought it made for a bad story, and I think addressing why Ryo had a father could have been a ''good'' story in the same number of pages if you wanted to tell a story about Ryo jumping universes, and ''that'' story would have added to the universe. While I dislike the core concept, it's probably ''possible'' to tell a good story about the Dinobots having a combiner mode-- but this wasn't it. In both cases while ''events occour'' in both stories, they are completely inconsequential evens that serve merely to contain a editorial fiat saying 'this is true.' and I blame that response on the ''overwhelming urge'' to 'do something signifigant' when a fan-writer is given one shot to tell a story that overrides good sense and objectivity.
::::(That was more or less what I was going to post back then, even if google lost it. I trust you can see what I'm getting at even if you may choose to disagree.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:14, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::Oh, I can totally see what you're getting at, all right. My goal, though, wasn't really to ''affirm'' Ryo's backstory, but more to tell people - "Hey, so, this exists." This was something that was real and official in Japan, but which next to ''nobody'' in the west knew about. Heck, had I the room, I would've ''totally'' tried to explain his dad - but that was a secondary concern to actually just ''putting the information out there''. Funnily enough, the regular writer did something similar of his own accord when he summarized the first Tamers movie in an even more ham-fisted way than I did. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 23:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::So take one page out of the story about how Ryo has a father since he's dimension-hopping and do a 1-page fact-sheet at the end about the events aof the games which received only a passing reference in that story (footnoted to 'see the fact seet at the end for more info on this!')
::::::I'm also being way too harsh on this. I ''despise'' Monday morning quarterbacking<ref>That reference probably makes no sense to you if you're British, does it? It refers to criticizing the decisions made by the football field leader in the heat of the game on Sunday night from a privileged perspective of the next day when it's easy to say 'that was a stupid idea' about something ''you know'' didn't turn out.</ref> because hindsight is 20/20, and it comes off like [http://www.theonion.com/content/node/52328 this guy].
::::::There's some correlary to Murphy's law about "once you start asking the ''wrong questions'' you will never find the right answer." Having decided to tell Ryo's game backstory, it's ''really hard'' to step back objectively and see it's not working. I'm not ''quite'' asshole enough to hold you feet to the fire for something that's a fundamental tragedy of human nature. :p
::::::Besides, you were being disingenuous when you said you had no editorial interference. Didn't they cut your length by 30% after you scripted it? Thus the whole story ended up compressed and you lost most of the shell sequence about Ryo coming to trust Cyberdramon more. I'm not ''thrilled'' with that story, since I think 'characters learn to trust one another' is boring and genric, but it did speak to Cyberdramon becoming much less unpredictable and dangerous in the anime vs. the games. So there was an ''attempt'' at telling a story to add to the universe- it just got mostly squeezed out. (And thus part of the reason I speak in generalities about the problems involved in fan-gets-one-shot, not all of which directly apply to you.)
::::::Man I miss Tamers, I should rewatch it. Was Savers any good? (I hated the first episode...) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:55, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, you said 'was' interfered with, not 'wasn't.' ignore that bit then. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Now, see, to me, that's doing it backwards. You're saying it oughta to have been about why Ryo had a father... with an addendum explaining the story that contains the ''problem with him having a father''? You need to remember, out of the vast majority of kids picking this comic up, ''nobody knew this stuff''. To explain away a problem in a story that ''no-one has read''... well, that's just... backwards. You need to atually tell them the story first, so they can be aware there's even a problem that needs to be addressed. Re: the intereference, the bit about Ryo trusting Cybertron was actually more like what got added ''in'' to the story. My aim was to tell a story dealing with Ryo being torn out of his home universe, and trying to find a role or purpose for himself in a world not his own. This, then, would be my explanation for that "super-hero" personality he had in Tamers (which I had previously lampooned all to hell and back in fanfics). There's a vestigal reference to that in the final panel of the finished story, which is a total non-sequiter to anything else that happens in the story because it all got cut out because I was "witing over the heads of the target audience." ''Grmmble''....
::::::::Oh, and I quite enjoyed Savers. But it was very far removed from all the other Digimon series and had a very different tone and approach that I could see not pleasing a lot of folks. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:48, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I'd just like to note "it can't happen in any established continuity" is because, well, basically it can't. Lack of quality aside, it has characters alive and active alongside others who were not around with them (for example, the Predacons), various deaths, etc. It just can't be wedged in anywhere without a metric shit-ton of ridiculous, speculatory to the point of being utterly made-up retcon. And for that we should be thankful. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:42, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
:There should be a note that the Dinobot combiner is probably ''not'' part of most continuities, just like Cybertron is ''not'' internally configured to allow Primus to transform into robot mode in most continuities. (I ''think'' that's how the Ultimate Guide described it...) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:55, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

==Headmasters appearance lists==
On "[[Operation: Destroy the Decepticons]]", it's just a recap before the title card, as you suspected.

In "[[Duel on the Asteroid]]", there is an establishing shot of the interior of Spaceship Bruce's bridge. You can clearly see Fortress' back, and then there are four guys seated at a console further up who are too small to really distinguish. From the context and a later shot, it's clear that they are the four main Headmasters. But you can't really tell visually. So... I don't know exactly what rules you have been following when making your lists. I decided to put Fortress first, since he's quite recognizable, then Pointblank, and then the HMs when they get a closer shot. Feel free to modify if that's not the way you were doing things. Also, when they do appear, they are seating (L to R) Chromedome, Highbrow, Brainstorm, Hardhead, so I rearranged them from your ordering. Again, I don't know if that's how you were doing things or not. When the Decepticon Targetmasters first appear, on Fortress' screen ambushing Pointblank, I can't tell which of the two blue guys is which. I'm just trusting the order you listed them in. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:00, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

:That is, indeed, precisely the way I've been doing them, so that's just lovely. Ta muchly! :D Now, I just need to belt out the final two episodes before the end of Sunday... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:12, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

==Hooray!==
He's back! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:37, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

==Linking episodes to the Masterforce page==
Perhaps you should create links for episodes on the Masterforce cartoon page as you write the articles as that page is linked to our main page, it would be helpful. I've already linked up the one you have already completed (to my knowledge) *cheesy anime thumbs up* --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

==Madman Headmasters==
I noticed you had asked for this at Seibertron, but it didn't seem that anybody there actually replied to your request. I asked a friend and he says when you play the first episode of Disc 1, after the opening titles sequence you get the episode title, then the episode itself. Does that help? I assume this means Madman's set is almost exactly the same is Metrodome's. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
:Just a further note on this Chris in case you didn't catch it. I bought the Madman set and apart from properly synching up the English tracks to the two episodes that were ''way'' off, everything else is the same. Right down to other episodes' English tracks being 'slightly' off and (more annoyingly) the incorrect subs popping up in "[[Find MegaZarak's Weak Spot!!]]". You'd think two years would have been enough time to correct this gaffe, but there you go! --[[User:Jon T|Jon T]] 08:44, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

==Character Information Boxes==
Why can't we keep them? [[User:Captain William Lennox Transformers|Captain William Lennox Transformers]] 18:37, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:It's long been decided roundabouts here that we're not doing infoboxes. Also, you just ganked that from Wikipedia, and it was full of headers that would have had no use here. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:42, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:We took a look at infoboxes, and decided that it just wouldn't work. A great many characters cross too many continuities, have too many altmodes, too many alternate names, and even have too many ''allegiances'' to fit in a box that wouldn't be several pages long. It's all information we have better ways of presenting. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:00, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
::Sorry about the "Vandalism", but from the other Wikis I edit, we use serious terms, and I didn't know how you wanted it, so, again, sorry. [[User:Captain William Lennox Transformers|Captain William Lennox Transformers]] 18:52, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I was just cleaning it up a bit. [[User:Captain William Lennox Transformers|Captain William Lennox Transformers]] 19:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

==Metrodome==
Hey, since you've worked on some of the Metrodome TF DVDs, how about you create an article about Metrodome, detailing their releases of Transformers over the years? I've done a similar thing for [[Madman Entertainment]], and I think it would be useful to list the various different versions of DVDs released (at least in the english-speaking countries). So how about it?!? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:03, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:It's certainly been on my mental "to-do" list for a wee while now. Hmn, what time is it... half-past midnight here... ehh, let's have a go at it, then. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 00:27, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Missed one. ==

[[User:FUCKCANADA|FUCKCANADA]] could use a good blocking. --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 00:17, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
:SO does [[user:ANGELAGOTHUMPBYHERADMINs|this one]]. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:40, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
[[user:76.171.178.17|He's back]]. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:18, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Anyone wanna lay odds on a sockpuppet having already popped up? Anyone? Shall we perform an IP check? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:54, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think that Kremzeek! is Assaulthead. His writting is coherent, and he isn't focusing on military vechiles and leaving threatening messages on talkpages. In fact, the only talkpage he has been on is his own. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:58, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
::There's a vague similarity (wanting summaries for Cybertron episodes, basically), and he's clearly talking to himself through two accounts, but... if it ''is'' him... he seems to be ''trying'' this time. I want to see how the Guardian article turns out... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

::On the other hand, those are not always out-of-the-gate actions (sometimes it takes upwards an hour or so for the explosion), and some things DO line up, like "how do I block someone?" and the ''exact same'' kind of "episode pages" for Cybertron that were created then deleted many many many times before, even after being told ''multiple times'' to look at how we do things and adhere to our page standards. Also, the sudden swipe at Walky from a "related" new account? All this after a rash of "DELETE THIS AND THE USER GOES AWAY" posts done with entirely obvious motives of hiding evidence? I think there's every reason to be suspicious. If I'm wrong, I'll apologize. But frankly... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:07, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
:I'll admit that there are similarities, but it just doesn't fit Assaulthead in my opinion. His focus is the military aspect of Transformers. Kremzeek! is actually focusing on other parts of Transformers. Assaulthead doesn't know anything beyond the UT, while Kremzeek! appears to. I'm just saying that it doesn't fit his pattern. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:13, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
:[[User:ItsWalkys Mom is a bitch|And again]]. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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OH MY GOD YOU'RE REALLY NEALE DAVIDSON!!!! [[User:Hooper X|Hooper X]] 05:21, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

==Pat Lee==
But it IS factual! That's what he wrote on his webpage! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:09, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
:Holy friggin' crazy. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 20:31, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

==You are now an Admin==

Hi Suki Brits, I've made you and ItsWalky admins for this wiki. I'm glad you can help :) Let me know if there is anything you need help with or can't do. Please have a look at [[Wikicities:Help:Administrators' how-to guide]] for the basics, and let me know if you want more admins added - two should start you off, but you may want more in time. Thanks again -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]] [[User talk:Sannse|(talk)]] 12:53, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

...so 'sexy piece of autobot ass' goes, but 'masteurjailbate' stays? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

:Sure, why not. The captions aren't supposed to be serious, and mostly, I can't think of anything to put in there instead. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 06:33, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

::The image caption is also phrased in a way to not sound like it's endorsing pedophilia. Bonus points for that. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:40, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

== Ep Template comments ==

Hi. Thanks for your feedback. The bright colors had fit in better with the design of my personal TF website, which already had more color; thus it didn't stand out as much. But here I can see your point, as the style of this wiki is pretty plain to begin with, such bright colors do stand out, and I can sort of see how they might be distracting. I like the idea of having some color in the table to help as an extra visual identifier of the groups. I have therefore muted the colors. Please check it out and let me know if you find it less distracting now. [[User:Telet093|Telet093]] 18:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

== Re: "vandalism" ==

I'm very sorry you consider that editing an entry to reflect a neutral point of view is considered to be vandalism.

My experience with Wikis so far has been that they are information resources, and while I don't object to humour being used in an entry, there is a certain amount of self-indulgent college-humour that diminishes potential of the resource.

That said, I respect that I am a newcomer to the community, and will do my best to insert a fart joke into a suitable entry at the first opportunity, in order to gain editorial approval. :)

:Thanks for the reply. I think what concerned me with the [[Grapple (G1)|Grapple]] article is that the caption that was there was expressing an opinion, *and* wasn't particularly funny. That being the case, I figured boring but accurate beat lame and indulgent, though it seems we differ on this.

:Like I say, I have no problem with things that are actually *funny*, but why leave something like [[Overhaul (G1)|this]] intact? It's restating something that's stated far better further down the page, and isn't actually funny, and has terrible grammar. When I changed it to something more sensible, it got reverted. Another example [[Abdul Fakkadi|here]] - this caption could be interpreted as a homosexual slur. To my mind, things like this *do* interfere with the quality of the articles. It looks amateurish, and this reflects on how worthwhile the wiki is as a whole.

::How could "Kneel before my epaulettes" '''possibly''' be taken as a homosexual slur? He's a self-important guy in a silly suit. The 'kneel' part is clearly imperious, not sexual. And why would kneeling inply ''homo''sexulity anyway? Can't girls kneel before the socialist might of Abdul Fakkadi? And even if it was- how is Abdul Fakkadi asking someone to serve him sexually a slur? Do you think any any homosexual act is inherntly degrading, and thus a slur?
::I mean, christ, get it right. Abdul Fakkadi is offensive to muslims, not gays.

::Look, here si what we concluded. "The main wikipedia has Transformers articles. If you can't figure out that orange guy is Grapple without a caption saying 'a picture of Grapple,' you belong there, not here. Teletraan 1 inherently assumes that you already have a decent-enough familiarity with Transformers to keep up with the way the articles are written. It's FOR FANS." And that means it doesn't have to be dry, informative and joyless. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

:::The "homosexual slur" comment was regarding [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Abdul_Fakkadi&oldid=21917 this caption]. Which was more making fun of people who WOULD make that joke, but since the joke had to be made in the process, it's easy to misinterpret. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::::Ha! I mean... ha.
::::Anyway, he's allowed to say that. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::True, it doesn't have to be dry, informative and joyless. But neither does it have to be one huge puerile fanboy in-joke. --[[User:Sofaman|Sofaman]] 01:24, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

:I know that this stuff relating to use of humour is kind of spelled out in "Tone and Voice", but are we just giving licence to subjective standards of humour that detract from the quality of the information overall? How much is too much? Is it only you and ItsWalky who decide? Is this the best place to discuss this? I really want to make a useful contribution to this wiki, and I'm happy to be advised on how to do that, but I need to feel that differences of interpretation and presentation are going to be respected, which is really about the only way that wikis can work. --[[User:Sofaman|Sofaman]] 14:22, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
::"He blowed up real good", I believe, is perfectly fine to have in the bio of a hi-then-die character, even if it restates it in the fiction section. Of course, that's largely my history in newspaper journalism talking, where all the important information is included in the first paragraph and then everything is elaborated in further paragraphs. This way, someone can get an idea of the most important attributes of the character without having to read the entire page. With this in mind, it's perfectly fine to mention that the character only shows up to die in his profile. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:06, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

== Question regarding a broad topic ==
Hi there,

I was wondering if, as an admin, you could please advise me on something? How can I go about fielding a question/suggestion for general discussion in a more systemic way than just on individual talk pages? It's just that I have a differing perspective on the way that this wikia designates certain continuity issues, and it's something that effects many entries. Naturally I don't want to go around unilaterally changing things to reflect my point of view, but I can't see any more general forum to discuss this. On Wookieepedia, the Star Wars wiki, they have a page they call the Senate Hall where people can discuss general topics concerning the site. Is there any way we could do something similar here? Failing that, how would you advise me to go about raising my issues for borader discussion?

To just give you an idea of what I'm talking about: I approve of the way that the site views the various different continuity families as taking place in alternative realities (obviously), however, I find the consistant use of phrasing which treats the Optimus Prime (and Megatron) character in different continuities as wholly different people poblematic. I view Optimus Prime in G1, RID and the Unicron Trilogy (for example) as being alternate reality versions of the same character, rather than wholly different characters with the same name and very similar personalities, which seems to be the way this site treats them. Although there is some argument to be made that this is the case in Japan where Convoy, Fire Convoy and Galaxy Convoy are not neccessarily alts of the same person (especially given the proliferation of Prime-lookalike convoys in the BWII & BWNeo), I think that American fictions consistently portray them as being different versions of the same individual, ala the common device of different versions of the same person in alternate universes as used in sundry sci-fi. Now granted most other instances of name-reuse (particularly in the Unicron Trilogy) give no indication of implying that, say, Armada Cyclonus is in any way and alternate version of G1 Cyclonus, but I think that with Prime and Megs this is clearly different.

On a similar note, I disagree with the inclusion of IDW's "neo-G1" continuity being included in the pages relating to other G1 characters. Although clearly very closely based on G1, the IDWverse is extremely different from any prior incarnation of G1, and is certainly far more different from any prior version than any of the orginal G1 fictions (or even Dreamwave for that matter) differed from each other, if you follow my drift. The entire war/premise/scenario is radically different and most characters have different altmodes and/or transformation schemes. If the forthcoming live-action movie is being considered adequately different from G1 to be considered outside of the G1 continuity family, then I would argue that the IDWverse should be as well.

...Anyway, that gives you an idea of what I want to discuss. ;-) Can you please advise me how I could most effectively air these issues to the wider usership?

Thanks, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
===Central Discussion Area===
:Thanks for that to you and Steve-o. We've got a small trickle of discussion on my topic happening over there now. I invite you to join in. Thanks, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

==Blackarachnia 'vandalism'==
ENOUGH with the accusations of vandalism, alright? I'm a member of Ben Yee's Transformers board, and there was a discussion on BA's telekinesis in relation to her mind link with Tarantulas. Pretty much everyone on there agreed that the theory is viable (the thread has subsequently been deleted for a while, but I'm sure I can find it in the archives). I'm honestly shocked at how staunchly you guys are REFUSING to even consider it; all the evidence is right there clear as crystal in the cartoon. BA and Tarantulas shared a mind link with each other that lasted four episodes. The mind link went both ways and was forced on BA until it was terminated equally as forcefully in Tangled Web. BA retained, at the very least, a great deal of Tarantulas' memories after the link was severed. The link was so powerful, that Tarantulas felt the pain BA experienced from energon radiation when she threatened suicide, and would've destroyed them both through the link had she made good on her threat. The link was confirmed in dialogue to be psychic in nature, which is why Megatron didn't detect any communications transmissions when they used the link to communicate. And, miraculously, after she became TM2, BA gained telekinesis. Oh, and at ''no point'' is it stated that the TM2 process granted a Transformer new abilities besides enhancing their existing powers and granting them spark-powered healing abilities. Hence, BA's telekinesis must've come from ''somewhere'', and her former mind link with Tarantulas makes the most sense. If you want to talk about 'wild rumors', there's a thread on Ben Yee's boards on ''how'' Tarantulas initiated the link, with the most common theory that he 'downloaded' himself into her mind, which coincidentally further establishes the "BA's telekinesis was her mind link with Tarantulas upgraded" theory.[[User:66.233.183.59|66.233.183.59]] 23:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

* right, and all of the other theories and speculation remaining on the other wiki pages on this site are more substantiated. Please. Not only are many of them far fetched, but they don't even have one reference of evidence to support them. Watch Beast Wars again, and it's clear that this theory is implied in-show, if not stated directly. Seriously, I'm really starting to wonder if you guys even watch the shows, considering how little you seem to know about them.[[User:66.233.183.59|66.233.183.59]] 23:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

== CSS change ==

Hello Suiki, I'm requesting a change to the sitewide CSS file. I've tested these changes locally and everything seems to be working fine. Additionally- these changes are fully namespaced (which is to say they cannot cause accidental problems with other layout elements.)

Please edit the page at [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]], and replace everything after '''/* Teletran-1 specicic bits */''' with the full contents of the [[MediaWiki_talk:Monobook.css|CSS talk page]].

This update consists of the new styles for the tobedeleted template (now merged with the old markup for the cleanup template) as well as some Wikimedia-standard table styles.-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 00:45, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you. I'll work on the actual template text to put it more in line with your wishes. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

=== CSS change 2 ===
Adding the the requested [[Template:Merge]], the actual ''text'' of the template is subject tt change, but the CSS is finalized for the requested image.

Can you please replace everything in [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] between '''/* Teletran-1 specicic bits */''' and '''/* wikitable/prettytable class for skinning normal tables */''' with the contents of the discussion page: [[MediaWiki_talk:Monobook.css]]? (For the future, is it easier to do this in parts like this, or should I put the entire modified monobook css in the discussion page for a simple cut-and-paste?)

This also includes a general-purpose 'tt1_nowrap' class, since Steve-o was looking for a way to do that a month or so back. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

===CSS change 3===
NN. Think this is the ''last'' of the requested templates. Could you please replace the parts between '''/* Teletran-1 specicic bits */''' and '''.tt1_nowrap''' with the contents of the discussion page?

I'd put in links but- seriously, look up one paragraph. ;-) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
:Done! --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 01:54, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

===CSS change 4===
Replace between '''/* Teletran-1 specicic bits */''' and '''.tt1_nowrap''' with the contents of the discussion page?

Spoiler template ''someone'' suggested aeons ago, tough less obtrusive than the others. (I really hope this is the last one.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 04:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

===CSS change 5===
Hey Suki, could you add the following code to the end of the [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css|site Monobook file]]? The class is used by used the wikimedia-standard template [[Template:Reflist]].

<pre><nowiki>
/* small footnotes for the reflist template */

.references-small { font-size:92%; }
</nowiki></pre>
-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:It is done. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 02:08, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you! Also, thanks for the revision of the Don Murphy article (before I blanked it.) Your note that was only one of 3 producers prompted a last minute change to my own version to reflect that. (I should have known, because I was just reading an article about those 3 squabbling to take sole credit for TF's success in the press.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

== Help please! ==
Hello there,
I'm hoping you can help me out, please. For some reason which is quite beyond my
understanding, It'sWalky has blocked me from Teletraan 1 (Re: Block ID is #49). The stated reason is "vandalism", which is patently absurd. Although I have strived to be polite at
all times, he has made more thanone hostile comments towards me over recent months
and I must protest that this current block is thoroughly unreasonable.
If the action which he is referring to as so-called "vandalism" is the incident
I THINK he means, then I respecfully suggest that he is grossly overstepping his
authority and quite possibly just has something against me personally, although
heaven knows why...

All I have done was post a very SHORT, admittedly somewhat gratuitous comment on
TWO Movie-related pages regarding my opinion (which went against a consensus of
a small number of users in a Community Portal discussion) of Teletraan 1's odd
categorisation of the IDW comic continuity as part of the larger G1 continuity
while contradictorily excluding the new G1-inspired film. My felt that they
should either both be included under the G1 continuity umberella, or neither.

But regardless, I'm not here to argue my point; the comments were removed by
another user and I'm happy to leave it there, so as far as I'm concerned that
should have been the end of it. My remarks certainly were not in ANY way
obscene, abusive, or in offensive by any possible standard. How this can be
considered "vandalism" is very mysterious to me. Perhaps if we were on Wikipedia
or Wookieepedia and dealing with their very strict rules about personal opinion,
but this site is rife with sarcastic, POV, wry and humorous content. Jam-packed
full, actually. I mean, for goodness sake; if anyone's concerned about
potentially ojectionable material, then I'd hate to be a Japanese person reading
this wiki given all the jibes made at their expense. One of the things I've come
to LOVE about this wiki is its sense of humour and creative, organic style. To
call my minor snarkiness "vandalism" seems totally at odds with the mood of
Teletraan 1, in my honest opinion.

I reiterate that I feel that this block is thoroughly unreasonable and I believe
is some kind of gross overraction and/or personal grudge on the part of
It'sWalky, although I can't for the life of me understand how I could have
managed to provoke such apparent emnity.

Can you please help me out?

Thanks,
[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
:"All I have done is post a... gratuitous comment on TWO Movie-related pages regarding my opinion (which went against a consensus... of users in a Community Portal discussion)." I think that pretty much covers it. There was a consensus. You blatantly defied the consensus on the grounds that you disagreed with the ruling. That's vandalism. End of story. Right? [[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 00:06, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
::There was consensus to leave it be. But not consensus on the issue itself. I think the movie belongs in the Generation 1 continuity family. IIRC so does Steve-o, and he's the most logical guy on the wiki. However- there's really not enough to say for sure one way or the other.
::Now, I think as sequels and more tie-ins pileup, the movieverse will become more and more G1-like to the point the argument will resolve itself in our favor. Less a consensus than ''dente'', "hold waiting further evidence."
::Of course, PacifistPrime wasn't around last time we went five rounds on the issue, so the subtlties of the 'both sides give up without having convinced the other' situation may have escaped him.
::That said Paci, it's bad form to go running to the other site admin before Walky even has a chance to reply. You don't even knwo what Walky banned you for, how is Suki supposed to pass judgement on whether or nto to override his fellow admin? Wait until Walky replies to clarify his reasoning, ''then'' disagree with him.
::It's polite to assume Walky's acting from a reasoned standpoint at least until you can ''prove'' it's his uterus making him crazy. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:34, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::With all due respect, Derik, I DID wait a few days for Walky to reply, and he's just ignored my email. [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
::::Mistake #1. Derik does not have due respect. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::I've reposted the content of the email on his talk page in the hopes that will get a response, but it hasn't so far. Given that I've now been blocked for something on the order of a week or possibly more, I think it's hardly unreasonable for me to take this up with another admin, surely? And if you want to talk about what's "polite", I think it would hardly have been too much to ask for Walky to have at least put some kind of short note on my talk page explaining his overzealous block, don't you think?

:::Oh, and Awa, are you seriously telling me that "defying" the consensus of a small group of users with two SMALL comments (that I obviously knew would just get deleted straight away anyway) constitutes "vandalism"? Worthy of getting blocked over? For real?
:::[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
::::I received no such email from you. And yell all you want on the talk pages. That's what they're for. Evidence may eventually shift your way! But, in the meantime, dumping your vitrolic grievances on the articles themselves is unacceptable. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:32, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::Paci... Paci... Paci... I gave you a perfectly good excuse of not having been part of the discussion last time and misunderstanding the consensus to hide behind... and you throw it all away.
:::::And for the rest- don't post something in the main article you know is going to be deleted <strike>without logging out first</strike>, post something that encourages your opponents, however grudgingly, to include that perspective in the article even if they rewrite your words. That's part of carrying on a conversation, creating truth through consensus. Anything else... is just throwing feces.
:::::Also, if you ''really'' want to get Walky's attention, hit him on [http://www.shortpacked.com/ his blog], not via e-mail. He allows anonymous posting! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
...! I'm baffled.

So now I'm being accused of "vitriolic grievances", "throwing feces" and "yelling".

What utter rubbish.

I have been polite at every turn, and the very WORST I can reasonably be accused of is sarcasm (in one isolated indicent, on the aforementioned two comments on movie pages, ONLY), something which hardly seems a foreign concept to this wiki.

Walky, I sent you an email the only way I knew how: I used the "email this user" button and clicked send. I got the sender's carbon copy just fine, so I can't explain why you didn't recieve it too. If I used the system incorrectly then I apologise, but I had no reason to believe that it hadn't worked. Oh, and Derik, if your comment "if you ''really'' want to get Walky's attention, hit him on his blog, not via e-mail. He allows anonymous posting" is intentded to be some kind of oblique suggestion that I have an interest in harassing Walky; pleeease! I have much better things to do with my time, for goodness sakes. And as I've explained to Walky in the past; I have zero interest whatsoever in blogs.

I am still amazed that any of this is considered reasonable grounds to actually BLOCK me. Do you guys have a "0.5 Strikes & yer out!" policy or something? Considering all the casual rudeness that goes around on the talk pages here, I find it hard to believe that my treatment reflects standard policy. Or do you treat everyone like this?

Could someone PLEASE do me the simple courtesy of giving me a reasonable explanation why I deserve to be blocked? And its that it? As far as I can tell my block is permanent. Is this so?

I am NOT a troublemaker, even though you seem to have already tried and convicted me as such. All I want to do is be a part of this wiki, make small contributions, start the occasional article and have polite, rational discussions. Am I really to be banned for using a little sarcasm...?

[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

P.S. Given that I addressed all of this to SukiBrits in the first place, I'd really appreciate it if Suki would weigh in at some point too, please. I'd really like to resolve this tiresome matter ASAP.

:''Could someone PLEASE do me the simple courtesy of giving me a reasonable explanation why I deserve to be blocked?'' You were blocked for intentionally, blatantly defying the consensus of a protracted discussion which you instigated and in which you were the only person advocating your position. It was extremely un-gentlemanly, and moderately pissy. Based on what you've written in the last couple days, I can accept that you were just "lashing out" and didn't really expect your comments to stay in the articles, but personally I still consider that to be disrespectful. You shouldn't make an edit which you know/expect will be reverted. I thought the 3-month duration on your block was excessive (and it's now been reduced), but I don't think being blocked in the first place, temporarily, is beyond reason for something like that. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:43, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Other users, including the admin who banned you in the first place, have already weighed in on ''why'' you were banned. I was not responsible for doing it, so frankly, anything further I have to say on the subject would just be repeating the same. I think it's perfectly clear as it is.

I was going to post something about how I'd stick up for you if you actually gave me good reason to, but as it is, the terms of your ban have been changed to something shorter. As it is, you're back in a week. If I were you, I'd sit back and ask myself if it's ''really'' worth fighting over that.

So there's your second chance. If you come back in a week and respect what your fellow editors have told you not to do, you'll be fine. And if there really ''is'' something unfair, I'll listen and advocate for you. But I would keep in mind that you're on thin ice as it is, and playing this victim crap isn't going to help you out much. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 23:23, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

:He was whiny about it too. It's not like his approach was "seriously guys, this seems excessive and can I talk about it and demonstrate that your impression of my maturity was incorrect," it was really more "Noo! this is so ''unfair''! Why me? You all suck and I shouldn't be held accountable for my actions b'cause I knew someone else was going to clean up my slop!"
:It's probably ''fortunate'' that the original penalty was (accidentally?) excessive-- because opening the floor for a reassessment of penalties based on conduct you do not dispute and then acting like a ''whiny bitch'' practically '''begs''' for an admin to make it ''longer.''
:<small>(Why yes, i was arguing in his favor earlier! I like to cause trouble like that.)</small> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

::Oh, great: so now I'm a "''whiny bitch''" who's playing "''victim crap''", apparently.

::Charming! My goodness me, you people really are a hostile bunch aren't you?

::So, let me get this straight; [[User:FFN|FFN]] can rag on my ass every other week simply because he disagrees with me, but If I DARE to protest that I have been unreasonably treated over a sarcastic misdemeanor, then I'm a goddamn deviant leper, right? Unbelieveable...

::Okay, YES, I did a bad thing. I admit it was uncalled for, defying the consensus of, oh, about five people? Given the wide, nay EXTENSIVE use of sarcasm and fecetious comments all over this wiki I honestly didn't think it would be such a damn big deal. But okay, whatever. It was wrong, fair enough. MY BAD. All I have done since is POLITELY protest my treatment over this matter and all I've got in return is mockery, name-calling and outright hostility. I mean, seriously...! Talk about disproportionate reactions at every turn.

::[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

:::Sir, I would hardly call your behavior at this point "polite". I thought Suki's comment was a little much at this point because the matter had been resolved. I asked her to say something because you'd asked, but I didn't know what all she had to say.

:::Regardless, though, please cease the hostilities? Play the better man and ignore what may be said to you at this point. In only a week you'll be able to edit and work again, and then you can prove your worth that way. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 02:37, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Oh, so now I'M the one being hostile? How do you figure? Have I called anyone names like "whiny bitch"? No, that would be YOU guys. Have I accused other people of being "pissy" and "throwing feces"? Nup, that'd be you lot too.

::::But of course, if I have the sheer audacity to stand up for myself, well that just can't possibly be polite, I take it...

::::What a terrible, terrible person I must be. Next time I'll know to just shut up and take the abuse gratefully, since that's obviously all you folks will tolerate. [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:::::"[[Wikipedia:Martyr complex|Mew mew mew mew mew mew mew!]]"
::::: '''Not once''' have you apologized for or even acknowledged that you should be held culpable for defacing an article. You remand restitution while sneering that you should not have been punished in the first place. You throw a '''tantrum''' when someone, such as myself, tells you "Gee, while it may be true your punishment was excessive, you're acting like a whiny brat which makes me have no sympathy for you." I'm not calling for you to be re-banned- I'm pointing out a defect in your behavior I '''really''' wish you would fix in the future.
::::: Are you sure you don't want to change your user name to PassiveAgressivePrime?
::::: I don't really care what your original offense was, because you're being a colossal asshole right here, right now. ''It's a bad idea to go around pissing people off while appealing a punishment''. Just- in general. I started out basically on your side and you have none-too-gradually dis-endeared yourself of me.
::::: Please amend your stricken holier-than-thou attitude in the future. It's '''really''' annoying, and it's not at all conducive to an actual discussion of what you did or didn't do and what punishment is appropriate. It makes me want to shut you up by squashing you.
::::: And '''I'm''' the unhealthily detached one. I can't ''imagine'' what it makes someone who thinks with his woman-parts like Walky want to do. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:09, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
It's interesting how I'm apparently the "colossal asshole" when it's you guys who are actually doing all the insult-hurling and name-calling. I haven't made one personal comment in this whole affair. Funny, that...

Oh, and for ther record, I HAVE apologised. More than once, actually. Get your facts straight, please.

But "PassiveAgressivePrime" is GOLD, by the way. I'd definitely declare that a genius call if it weren't such a laughable assertion.

Anyway, I've got much better things to do that take this abuse any longer. Think what you will.

Later, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

:hahaha i just noticed this. GOODBYE TO ALL MY WIKI FRIENDS FOREVER!!! [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

== 3d Website ==

I remembered that you showed an interest in the Blackthorne scans and were disappointed.
Hope this is more your alley.
http://www.3dtransformers.com/ -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, I've seen that, actually. Thanks, though, it IS pretty neat. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 13:35, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

==Stubs==
I'm not arguing against removing the tag from G1 Bumblebee's page, but is there some hard-and-fast rule about what actually makes an article a stub? Feels silly asking this, and Wikipedia's article on the subject supports the "common sense" method, but I'm nothing if not stupidly cautious. I asked Walky once and he said "Empty headings = stub!", which I took to mean as "irregardless of the article length and other content".
Then again, maybe he gave such a short answer because it's a ridiculous question. But here I am asking anyway. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 23:38, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:I think that's a pretty good standard- if portions of the article are still stubbed in without even a overall summary, I think it qualifies as a stub. :(I agree with you that an article stops begin a stub '''before'' it is exhaustively complete.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:It's an article that's just been started and has a long way to go before completion. That's basically the definition; nothing further has been discussed or agreed on, and I don't think we NEED anything more than that. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 23:43, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
::For clarification, I believe the article in question at the time was very much as Bumblebee's is now. It's more-or-less complete, with an introduction and many sections filled in with detail, but it also had a noteworthy number of sections that were just headers with no content.
::I ought to have been more clear with Walky way back when, I suppose. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 23:45, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I guess this is a discussion we DO need to have, then.
:::Wikipedia generally uses seperate stub templates for ''sections'' which aren't complete. I don't know if that's best for us, but I generally envision the stub category as being something that someone can look through for articles where ''anything'' can be added to them to be helpful; unlike Bumblebee, which while still not complete, is far from being in that state. If we really need something to indicate that the ''whole article'' isn't complete, maybe some distinction would be helpful. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 23:50, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
::::I also want to add that I don't really feel that strongly on the matter. But I guess we probably should reach some sort of conclusion. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 00:00, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::I think another separate tag would be best. "Stub", as shown, could lead to more confusion down the road, but not tagging the articles I think could lead to people scanning them and not noticing empty sections which they would otherwise be able to fill in. This certainly isn't a large concern, however...
:::::This came up because of the apparent selection of Bumblebee as a featured article. Do we have some way of noting that, to spur work on it ensuring it's completed "in time"? I imagine if it's not done by July it will just be pushed back until later, but I don't see a problem in encouraging work on the Wiki. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 00:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

== Hello ==
*Hello Brits this is Troyb a admin and buericrate of your new sister or whatever wiki, its called transfanon and we need you to place the news on the front page so that we can get more users, thank you. Also I'll give you a link tommorow.[[User:Troyb|Troyb]]<sup>[[User talk:Troyb|(CIS ShadowFeed)]] [[Special:Contributions/User:Troyb|contribs]]</sup>[[Image:Troyb2.jpg|20px]] 22:59, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
: No, thank you. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:19, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

*O.k. why not (Sigh...)[[User:Troyb|Troyb]]<sup>[[User talk:Troyb|(CIS ShadowFeed)]] [[Special:Contributions/User:Troyb|contribs]]</sup>[[Image:Troyb2.jpg|20px]] 00:45, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

:Because... your fanon wiki appears to have absolutely nothing to do with actual Transformers. If it was fanon in the sense of a bunch of speculation or something, trying to fill in gaps or retcon errors... I could see linking to it someplace, as that might be useful to fans who are looking for information. But it appears to be basically a wiki for your personal fanfic or something. We don't just link to random fanfics, so why would we link to that wiki? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 14:26, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

*Fine fine fine. But it seems you hate fanon. So '''fanon hater''' I shall leave.[[User:Troyb|Troyb]]<sup>[[User talk:Troyb|(CIS ShadowFeed)]] [[Special:Contributions/User:Troyb|contribs]]</sup>[[Image:Troyb2.jpg|20px]] 21:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

==Main page links==
Hi Suki Brits. I hope you don't mind, but I added redirects to the TV and Toys pages that you'd previously deleted since these were linked from the main page and might be useful for people to find articles on those topics. [[User:Angela|Angela]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Angela|talk]]) 00:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

== Talk:User talk:69.234.144.73 ==

Could you click on the article link on [[Talk:User talk:69.234.144.73]] and complete the edit that it pops up with so we can get rid of the red link? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:03, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:It would be a red link even if she did. We've broken fundamental laws of wiki reality, man.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 03:09, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::tested it on my talk page, and it does seem to break Wikiality. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:19, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:::However it's still a redlink, in spite of your talk page undeniably existing. It's uncharted territory. If it gets any weirder it'll require Furmanisms to describe it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 03:20, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::::The link is hovering there, on the page, like a vast predatory bird... -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 08:31, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::::That, or... talking like William... Shatner. --...[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:30, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::Suki did it. It's ''over''. FINISHED.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 13:45, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::For me, personally... IT NEVER ENDS! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:45, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Let me give it the worst case of INDIGESTION it's ever had! --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 18:48, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:God, I'm choking on all the [[Furmanism]] here. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 19:25, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
But if Walky can survive the tide of Furmanisms CAN WE DO LESS?--[[User:Chiasaur11|Chiasaur11]]

== Evil Decepti-Nazi Blocker ==

Why the fuck you had to do the Blocking? Are you crazy? Now Nobody send messages to me. If I find you my F-35 Lightning II will fucking get you. We will forgive you if you unblock everything otherwise, the Tanks Transform and roll out.
:''"...so long as they are able to rail at the wind on their own talk page, the troublemaker's ire has a natural and nondestructive outlet. Denied that outlet, they will seek to learn how to evade bans, and armed with '''that''' knowledge their vengeance is unbound to range as it sees fit."'' -[[User:75.73.88.32|75.73.88.32]] 23:24, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::Except he was IP-bouncing already ''before any bans or locks were enacted''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:06, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to hump you for saying that! My tanks will come and get you.

::Okay, that made me laugh for like five minutes. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 00:09, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
:::It's like watching a slow-motion train wreck... --[[User:TVsGrady|TVsGrady]] 00:56, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Any more blocks will result more fucking jets to get you.

Suki, You have such a fat tits that when you go walk down the street people go saying "AW FUCK THATS A FUCKING FAT TITS!"

Fuck You!

Thank you Suki for making us laugh about love... again.--[[User:Chiasaur11|Chiasaur11]]

==Sorry for the IP Jumper and Hacker==
Sorry for my Brother you blocked due to his obsession of war units. He was arrested for hacking into my computer and murdering to many US troopers so don't worry of him. Hey who changed my name to Spearhead? My brother the IP Jumper is executed yesterday for hacking and lets all including you celebrate a party for the execution of the hacker. I promise to be nicer than that other guy as long as I visit.(Spearhead 04:44, 7 October 2007 (UTC))

== So I don't lose this link ==

http://web.archive.org/web/20020624181245/lostfactor.net/depot/tfnames.html

== new comic nav ==

I think I've got a new comic nav template for the Marvel issues fully working. [[User:FortMax/Template:Comicnav]] It also has the option of no link for the second series allowing for when linking the previous and next issues for a reprint of an older story.

I also checked the list at TFArchive.com, and there was only one Marvel US issue that had more than two Transformer stories. One was part of a US comic, the 2nd was the last part of a UK story and the 3rd was the first part of a UK story. For the navbox for the 2nd story, we should link "next" to the 3rs story and link "previous" for the 3rd story to the 2nd story. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

==Assaulthead==
[[user:76.171.178.17|He's back]]. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:19, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
:This is really one of those times where I'm happy to be beaten to the punch. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 07:59, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
:[[User:ItsWalkys Mom is a bitch|And again]]. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:00, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

== We have a Kreemzeek sockpuppet ==

[[User:Fire Convoy]] --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:54, 17 January 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Blackarachnia (BW)

2008-01-21T03:17:32Z

Charitwo: revert

{{picsneeded|Toys}}{{disambig2|the Beast Era character|the ''[[Transformers Animated]]'' character|Blackarachnia (Animated)}}

:''Blackarachnia is a [[Predacon]], [[Maximal]], and a [[Decepticon]] in the [[Beast Era]] [[continuity family]]. She's a busy girl, huh?''

[[Image:Blackarachniabw.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Hot, poisonous, and deadly. Rawr!]]

A sultry femme fatale, '''Blackarachnia''' is smart, sexy, and dangerous. She's got eight legs, and she knows how to use them. Of the several rebellious Predacons under [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'s command, she's one of the very few who can, on occasion, outguile him. Always looking out for Number One, Blackarachnia values her independence and freedom above all else. She would rather be deactivated than be a slave.

Blackarchnia's greatest weakness, other than her overconfidence, is her feelings for the Maximal [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]]. Something about his heroic demeanor and the kindness he shows her makes her uneasy. She hasn't experienced unconditional love before, and it scares her, though she'll never admit it.

{{quote|Even when I'm good, I'm still bad.|Blackarachnia|"[[Crossing the Rubicon]]"}}

:''Spanish ''Beast Machines'' name'': '''Araña Negra'''
:''Japanese name'': '''Blackwidow'''
:''French-Canadian name'': '''La Veuve Noire'''
:''Spanish Transmetal 2 name'': '''Mygale'''

==Fiction==
===Animated Continuity===
====''Beast Wars''====
'''Voice Actress:''' [[Venus Terzo]] (English), [[Ryōka Yuzuki]] (Japanese), [[Fátima Noya]] (Brazil)

[[Image:Blackarachnia_A_shame.jpg|left|thumb|Hiya, hot stuff.]]

Blackarachnia was born from one of the [[Maximal]] fallen [[Stasis pod]]s. [[Tarantulas]], watching a black widow fight and devour another spider, was inspired. [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]], observing the slim and attractive Blackarachnia transform and strike a few poses, suggested that he had "ulterior motives behind her beast form selection." But, she was a Predacon, and that was what was important.

Blackarachnia made herself renowned among the ranks of both the Maximals and Predacons as a severe headache to Megatron. When Tarantulas found out about the [[Vok]], he tried to craft a stasis pod escape ship for himself, and she was there to forge a partnership {{storylink|Spider's Game}}. When [[Scorponok (BW)|Scorponok]] and Blackarachnia journeyed to a mysterious, floating island containing immense power, she was there to shove him out of the way and take control of the island herself, only to be defeated by [[Tigatron]] {{storylink|The Trigger, Part 1}}. When [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] took control of [[Waspinator]]'s body, she was right next to him when he betrayed Megatron, betraying Starscream ''back'' {{storylink|Possession}}. When she aided Tarantulas in breaking into the ''Axalon'' to acquire a stasis pod for conversion into an escape ship, she took over after a following Inferno incapacitated Tarantulas, intending to take the ship for herself. {{storylink|Other Voices, Part 1}} Unfortunately for her, this deception backfired on her in the form of a forced mind link between her and Tarantulas, which remained until she forced the spider into breaking it. {{storylink|Tangled Web}} When Tarantulas forced her to investigate Megatron's [[Golden Disk]] backups, she waited until Tarantulas was occupied to download and encrypt the recoverable information. {{storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 2)}}

[[Image:Blackarachnia_fightback.jpg|right|thumb|Spousal abuse!]]

When the Vok were moments away from returning, Tarantulas and Blackarachnia both again teamed up in an attempt to flee the dying planet. Megatron, already aware of their next move, used their deceptive tendencies against them and acted unaware of their treachery. As they built their escape ship, he installed his own variant on the design, making it inescapable once sealed and in space. Though it did not destroy either of them, the result was even better: [[Optimus Primal]] wound up in the pod and was destroyed instead. {{storylink|Other Voices, Part 2}} Blackarachnia's wits saved her, as she convinced Megatron that he would need soldiers, which gave him reason to spare her life. She also, much to her disgust, ended up with a telepathic link to Tarantulas which allowed him control of her body. {{storylink|Aftermath}}

Forced by Tarantulas to hack into Megatron's private files and Golden Disk back-ups for him, she discovered that it contained the access codes for the [[Ark]]. Taking advantage of his temporary deactivation, she downloaded a copy, destroyed the files and told Megatron [[Dinobot]] destroyed them, while telling Tarantulas a different story, that Megatron had booby-trapped them. {{storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 2)}} Neither of them (apparently) believed her, but neither showed this openly ''yet''... Meanwhile, Blackarachnia forced Tarantulas to end their psychic link by threatening to kill herself and take his mind with her. She also had Silverbolt refuse to fight her because she was female (to the annoyance of Rattrap). {{storylink|Tangled Web}}

When an energon blast sent her and Silverbolt into the middle of the dense jungles, they were forced to work together. Though attracted to the [[Fuzor]], Blackarachnia was endlessly frustrated by his seemingly idiotic chivalry and need to treat her specially. Megatron, listening in to their commlink chatter, was disgusted by the obvious romance going on. Blackarachnia rather liked the treatment and affection, though she held it under a firm charade of bitter irritation. {{storylink|Bad Spark}}

[[Image:BA_Silverbolt_Agenda3.jpg|left|thumb|I ''can'' walk, you know.]]

When the Predacons attacked the valley of proto-humans, Blackarachnia was teamed with Inferno. She did considerable damage to [[Dinobot]] before being blasted herself. {{storylink|Code of Hero}}

After confirming the location of the Ark, Megatron sent Waspinator to its location. Realizing what this meant, Blackarachnia abandoned her post and followed him. Silverbolt followed ''her'' and stubbornly refused to leave her alone. Exhausted and in a hurry, she conceded and told him to dig. The two broke through the mountainside and Blackarachnia had a good cackle over the Ark's power being "all mine!"... just as Megatron arrived. Having always intended for her to reach the Ark as he knew she had the access codes, he threatened to vape Silverbolt unless she did what he said. Bitterly, she agreed to his demands.

Blackarachnia used the Ark's security system to cover Megatron's back, not sure of what he was planning. Once he fired upon [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], history began to change, wiping out all Maximals... {{storylink|The Agenda (Part III)}}which included herself. Not willing to die for Megatron, she activated [[Teletraan I]]'s security nets to force Megatron off the ship. With Silverbolt's help, she got the dying Autobot leader under life support and began the repairs. The Maximals, recognizing what she had done, reluctantly allowed her to join their ranks after an irate Megatron gave her the boot (in the form of nearly killing her). {{storylink|Optimal Situation}} (Quite what ''she'd'' intended to do with the Ark {{m-}} since she couldn't have altered the timeline without risking erasing herself {{m-}} was never explored.)

[[Image:TM2 Blackarachnia.jpg|right|thumb|Calendar Bot]]

Later, Blackarachnia took the [[Transmetal driver]] and attempted to use it on herself. Silverbolt, not realizing what she was planning, bailed her out of the contraption. Like every good girlfriend, she began to chew him out, but was cut off as an energy surge made her lose control of her circuits. A security system Tarantulas installed had been triggered by her tampering with her core, and the only way to fix it was to cut the Predacon [[shell program]] loose. Reluctantly, she agreed. An attack on the Maximal base disrupted the attempt, and she was deactivated.

Distraught, Silverbolt took off to avenge her death. He easily subdued Tarantulas and was moments away from executing him when [[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]] attacked him. Blackarachnia appeared in the nick of time with her new and improved Transmetal 2 body, easily fought off Rampage and rescued Silverbolt. {{storylink|Crossing the Rubicon}}

Later, during Megatron's final assault on the Ark, Blackarachnia "emasculated" Rattrap's tail in an effort to reactivate the Ark. Seriously. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 2}}

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====''Beast Machines''====
'''Voice Actress:''' [[Venus Terzo]] (English), [[Ryōka Yuzuki]] (Japanese), [[Márcia Moreli]] (Brazil)

In Beast Machines, Blackarachnia was distraught and confused. She was locked out of her robot mode, back in her original body, all of her allies were gone, Silverbolt had vanished, and she was being attacked by what looked like [[Cybertronian]] guards. Unable to count on her Maximal allies, Blackarachnia fell back upon her Predacon principles of survival of the fittest and was notably more withdrawn and skeptical than at the end of the Beast Wars.

She had a relatively easy time adapting to her new technorganic form, but she was still frustrated by the loss of Silverbolt. When [[Thrust (BM)|Thrust]] saved her life, having strange recollections of doing so before, her mind was set: He was Silverbolt, mutated and made evil by Megatron.

Using some of the organic fluid from the Cybertronian core, she trapped Thrust in some of her webs and forced his inner personality out, begging for Silverbolt to answer. The reply was not quite what she was looking for.

[[Waspinator|"Doggie-bot not home!"]]

When [[Jetstorm]] attacked, he also was caught up in some of her organic goo...

[[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|"Blackarachnia! Oh, dark poison of my heart!"]]

...and his true personality emerged, sweeping Blackarachnia in his arms. Silverbolt returned, but just for a moment. The goo vanished, and the Vehicon's minds returned.

Later, Blackarachnia managed to force Jetstorm into a large pool of the organic goo, and his body began to change. Scanning a nearby vulture skeleton, he awoke in a new form.

Blackarachnia was startled by the change in him. Instead of the lovable, chivalrous knight in shining armor, he was a brittle, haunted bot, tormented by the images of the evil deeds he had done...done by choice. Though he gave up on himself, she never did, urging Silverbolt to forgive his past. It was only towards the end of ''Beast Machines'' that her efforts bore fruit...

"''The menace has passed! At last, we can truly be together, dark venom of my heart!''" - Silverbolt to Blackarachnia

===3H Tales of the Beast Wars comics continuity===
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===Universe CD-ROM continuity===
Blackarachnia followed [[Reptilion]] in battle against [[Optimus Primal]] and his Autobot forces. She teamed up with [[Razorclaw (Universe)|Razorclaw]] to fight [[Striker]] before being abducted by Unicron.

===3H Universe comic continuity===
[[Image:TFU Blackarachnia vs Rattrap.jpg|left|thumb|Hey, guys, I turned evil again!]]
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===Beast Wars Metals manga===
[[Image:Blackarach24.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Keeping something OUT of her crotch, for once.]]

{{Note|Although it picks up after the first season, the Beast Wars Metals manga is not in continuity with the TV series.}}

Blackarachnia appeared throughout the Beast Wars Metals manga as a Predacon warrior, much as she did in the TV series. Unlike most characters, however, her design underwent the smallest change. While most characters got re-designs for laughs, the only change in Blackarachnia would appear to be that she's a bit smaller and "cuter".

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===''Beast Wars: Transmetals'' (N64 & PSX)===
[[Image:N64Blackarachnia.jpg|left|thumb|200px|I'm... sure she has a nice personality... wait, no. No, she doesn't.]]
:''Voice Actor:'' ??? (US), ??? (Japan)

In an alternate timeline, Blackarachnia (possibly now Transmetal) joins her fellow Predacons in distributing various one-on-one beat downs to the Maximals. {{storylink|Beast Wars: Transmetals}}

{{note|At least in the the N64 version of ''Beast Wars: Transmetals'', Blackarachnia was a stretched palette-swap of [[Transmetal]] [[Tarantulas]]. As you can see, uh, this didn't work very well. But it was a nice thought.}}

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===Transformers Legends Anthology===

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===IDW Comics===
While the Maximals attempted to remove her Predacon shell program, an alternate Transmetal "Vok" body was somehow automatically created (by someone, somehow) in [[subspace]] just in case it was needed. It wasn't, and so it was "sidelined" {{storylink|Beast Wars Sourcebook 1}}.

{{note|This is IDW's way of "sorta" working her McDonald's Happy Meal premium toy (see below) into continuity.}}

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==Toys==
===Beast Wars===
*'''Blackarachnia''' (Deluxe, 1995)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-8'''

: Blackarachnia's original toy is a [[redeco]] of the [[Tarantulas]] mold, transforming into a rather generic-looking organic spider. It features a removable spring-loaded launcher hidden in its beast-mode abdomen. It nominally fires the "grappling hook" attached to its abdomen, but its front four beast-mode legs can also be removed and used as missiles.

: This was later reissued in Japan in more [[show-accuracy|show-accurate]] colors for the 10th Anniversary of Beast Wars. The head didn't get a remold, though. How odd.

*'''Blackarachnia''' (Happy Meal Transmetal, 1997)

: Part of the second McDonald's ''Beast Wars'' Happy Meal pack-in, Blackarachnia's "[[Transmetal]]" form rather resembles some sort of dust mite more than a spider, and the robot mode appears to have fallen out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down. It has a ''very'' similar transformation to the earlier promotional figure [[Beetle]].

*'''Blackarachnia''' (Transmetal 2, 1999)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-48'''

: The Transmetal 2 version of Blackarachnia transforms into a large, organic/mechanical, monstrous spider, featuring a grappling hook, switching [[Faction symbols|faction symbols]], and a spin-kick action feature. This toy was initially hard to find at retail, as one of the toy's features, a piece of removable chest armor (no, really), was altered slightly, delaying later shipments.

: This mold was used to make the [[BotCon 2000]] [[exclusive]] [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]].

===Beast Machines===
*'''Blackarachnia''' (Deluxe, 2000)

: An early toy in the ''Beast Machines'' line, Blackarachnia transforms into a [[technorganic]] spider. In spider mode, squeezing its pedipalps together raises its central fangs; they were spring-loaded to release and lower, respectively.

: This mold was used to make [[Crystal Widow]].

*'''Blackarchnia''' (Happy Meal, 2000)
: Happy Meal Blackarachnia is a super-simplified version of her retail toy, with a coloration much closer to the [[Mainframe (company)|Mainframe]] CG model.

*'''Blackwidow''' (Deluxe, 2005)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''BR-04'''

: Part of the Japanese Toys 'R' Us-[[exclusive]] ''Beast Wars Returns'' series, this toy is a redeco of the original ''Beast Machines'' Blackarachnia in a more show-like maroon coloration.

===Universe===
*'''Blackarachnia''' (Deluxe, 2003)

: For ''[[Universe]]'', Blackarachnia returned as a [[Decepticon]] and as a redeco of the original ''Beast Machines'' figure. However, her forearms were mistakenly swapped, leaving her forearm "spikes" pointing up towards her biceps rather than down near her elbows.

: This mold (with the same swapped-forearms error) was used to make [[Crystal Widow]].

===Unreleased===
[[Image:blackwidowwildrider.jpg|right|thumb|Honda wouldn't appreciate their car being hot, poisonous, and deadly.]]

: In 2004, a group of test-shots made their way onto eBay, among them a [[redeco]] of the original ''Beast Wars'' Tarantulas/Blackarachnia mold in black with silver spider-legs and salmon-colored robot parts. Later, Hasbro's official website checklist featured listings for two "Halloween Horrorcon Value Packs" that were to be Wal*Mart [[exclusives|exclusives]]... which also likely explains why they were canceled. (Wal*Mart had taken a good half-dozen exclusives and released them more-or-less simultaneously, leading to a huge glut. A lot of other ''Transformers'' exclusives were canceled during the ''Universe'' era.) One of the sets was "[[Leatherhide]] Vs. Blackarachnia"... and thus, the mystery spider was confirmed, as the other test-shots in that group lined up with the name listings given in the sets.

: In 2005, the mold used for ''[[Alternators]]'' [[Decepticharge]] was presented as an upcoming release for the Japanese ''Binaltech'' line. Originally, Takara intended to name their version of the toy "[[Wildrider]]", but they ultimately had to abandon that idea because they couldn't get the trademark. Instead, they decided to give the toy an entirely new deco, as the Hasbro toy's deco didn't appeal to their ideal of "real-life accuracy". In robot mode, the toy was given a color scheme based on Transmetal 2 Blackarachnia, with the toy's name being changed to "Black Widow", Takara's name for the character. Though a [[bio]] and story chapter were written to accommodate it into the ''Binaltech'' fiction and Photoshopped images released through an online retailer revealed the intended color scheme, Takara ultimately decided to cancel the toy altogether, as they were fearing that another redeco (in addition to the upcoming Binaltech Asterisk toys) would be too repetitive. How the story would have dealt with this time-displaced character addition has not been revealed, and it is doubtful it ever will be. ''Binaltech'' author [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] is unlikely to reveal confidential work-for-hire pieces, since he still works for Takara. Furthermore, plans to release the toy as part of a different line were never picked up again.

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==Trivia==
[[Image:BL2.jpg|125px|right|thumb|She looks like Bludgeon in drag.]]

* Reportedly, Blackarachnia's show model was inspired by an Asian stripper at a club to which some Mainframe folks had taken the design modeler only a few days prior for, um... ''inspiration''.

* Blackarachnia's original Beast Wars card art has her wearing a spike-studded collar. Dirty girl. Dirty, dirty girl.

* Even though Transmetal 2 Blackarachnia's toy has a unique faction-switching [[spark crystal]], the feature doesn't make sense in a fictional context. By that point in the Beast Wars television series, the Transmetal Driver had destroyed her Predacon [[shell program]], making her fully Maximal. (Though, to be fair, it had happened mere moments previously.)

* Blackarachnia exhibited what appears to be telekinesis not long after gaining her Transmetal 2 form, levitating a steel girder to stop Rampage. {{storylink|Master Blaster}} The ability only appeared once and was never explained. Fans speculate it may be a result of the TM2 Driver, an outgrowth of her psychic link with [[Tarantulas]], or both (or a wizard did it). Following her reformatting in ''Beast Machines'', Blackarachnia no longer possessed this ability.

* In the "jovial" Japanese dub of Beast Wars, Blackarachnia's character underwent a few small (depending on your point of view) changes. Firstly, she had a voice that can only be described as "bipolar". She would switch between her usual sultry, flirtatious voice to a screaming blood-thirsty maniac at the drop of a hat. Another notable change is that, while still a strong female character, she was made less independent and was occasionally prone to ''begging for mercy'' from her enemies, something she ''never'' did in the English version. However, this isn't the first time the Japanese have done their best to [[Arcee (G1)#The Headmasters|improve upon a female character]].

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==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1996/Predacon/Blackarachnia/blackarachnia.htm Blackarachnia at TFU.info]

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User talk:Hooper X

2007-12-26T23:43:10Z

Charitwo: Undo revision 129404 by 68.190.228.12 (talk)

What exactly is upsetting you, again? [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 07:11, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
* The ridiculous arbitrariness of your naming schema, most specifically your need to make a very simple system unnecessarily complex. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper X]] 07:12, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
**You mean like moving stuff from "(UT)" to "(Unicron Trilogy)", of which... you seem to agree with (I don't particularly care for the "(Armada)" or "(Unicron Trilogy)" deal). Or "(cartoon)" to "(television series)" which is hardly complicated, nor does it particularly harm anybody (removes the fuzzy line between "animated series" and "comic"). It also streamlines it with the category and the constant references to "television series".<br><br>Or, uh, what? [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 07:31, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
***I've actually kind of gone over to the other camp that, as long as there's a unified acronym for each era, the acronyms are considerably easier to use. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper X]] 07:32, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
****That doesn't really help the peope who don't know what the acronyms stand for ([[Dirge (T)]]? UT? C'mon.) or the acronym is already taken (Hey, Bowel Machines.). [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 07:47, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
*****That's why we put the Unified Abbreviation System in the [[[Style Guide]]. Duh. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper X]] 05:04, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

You are unnecessarily awesome. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

==EW Sky Lynx==
Hoop, can you take a pic of this against a couple sheets of white paper? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:12, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
*When I get one, sure! [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 12:27, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
::Oh, I thought you had this. You'd said they were out, and were going on about Lynx... gave me the impression you'd picked him up. Alrighty. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:39, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
:::No - he's just that awesome. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 21:45, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

==The caption==
Hi, just saw the new caption for '''[[Prowl (G1)|P.]]''''s new caption for Holomatter avatar, that's really awesome! Ha ha ha. --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 15:24, 26 November 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

User talk:Hooper X

2007-12-26T23:42:16Z

Charitwo: Undo revision 129402 by 68.190.228.12 (talk)

User:Charitwo

2007-12-21T23:47:34Z

Charitwo:

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User:ItsWalky

2007-12-21T23:42:45Z

Charitwo: Undo revision 128100 by Super Ducky (talk)

[[Image:Willis.png]]

David Willis is a hoopy frood* who draws comics, such as [http://joyceandwalky.com/ Joyce and Walky!] and [http://shortpacked.com/ Shortpacked!]. He is also ''waaay'' too much into Transformers.

''<nowiki>*</nowiki>It is unknown at this time whether he really knows where his towel is.''

==Official things I've totally drawn==
I feel weird making a real page for me, so this'll suffice, I think.

*[[Overcast (Cybertron)|''Cybertron'' Overcast]] (Fan Club magazine #13)
*[[Strongarm (Cybertron)|''Cybertron'' Strongarm]] (Online update Week 1)
*[[Hawkeye]] (inks and colors only, pencils by [[User:LV|Graham Weaver]]) (Online update Week 2)
*[[Jumpstart]] (Online update Week 3)
*[[Rod|Drop-Test]] (Online update Week 4)
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User talk:Detour

2007-09-23T05:16:45Z

Charitwo: Undo vandalism by 69.234.145.190 (Talk)

==Megatron joke==
The monsters in MMPR always started out human-sized. Then, at some point, Rita throws her staff down from the Moon shouting "Make my monster grow!". The staff lands in the ground and energy shoots out of it, making the monster enormous. The laser effects around Megatron's cannon in that picture look a lot like the staff. Here is a YouTube clip of it: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUelB-OSneY]. Honestly, it's not a big deal to me, but the old joke doesn't really make any sense in the first place. It seems to be a premature ejaculation joke to go along with his cannon firing, but it's not like there's anybody else in the picture for the innuendo to be complete. I think the observation our anonymous editor made about the resemblance to the staff is actually pretty clever. A rare instance of somebody changing a joke for the better, IMO. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 16:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:Huzzah! I have a talk page now! Anyway, thanks for clearing it up... I didn't get the ressemblance of Bandora's staff to the laser blast effects of Megatron's cannons... At least I understood the previous joke, wasn't all that funny but it made sense without the explanation. -[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:54, 21 August 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>