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Talk:Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1

2010-02-04T18:11:23Z

Chipmonk328: /* Sweeps salute */

== Sweeps salute ==

You do realize that the "Nazi salute" is done with the RIGHT arm, not the left? And that it predates Adolf Hitler by millennia? Seems like somebody is SERIOUSLY overreacting to a cartoon. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:11, 26 September 2009 (EDT)
:''I'' certainly realize that, which is why I just removed the whole silly thing. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 16:37, 26 September 2009 (EDT)
::Thanks, Thy. I wanted to remove it, but wanted to give everyone a chance to be heard on it. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:49, 27 September 2009 (EDT)

Its funny enough that it should stay..as a joke.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

== Powderolverize the Autobots! ==

''* Rumble's rallying cry, quoted above, is delivered rather strangely. "I say we powderulverize the Autobots!" he shouts. Then, his voice sounds out again, shouting "I say we ''pulverowderize'' 'em!" The second line is emphasized as if it is ''disagreeing'' with Rumble's idea of "powderulverizing", and suggesting "pulverowderizing" instead, making it appear that [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] is hanging around and contesting his brother's idea. The script, however, attributes both lines of Rumble, suggesting just a bad vocal take.''

I... really don't see the problem here. He's repeating himself. For emphasis. Since nobody responds the first time. The "pulverowderize" thing plays up the same "uncrossamatic" gag as in the movie. That's all there is to it. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 01:43, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

''** Others include Thundercracker, Skywarp and the supposedly-on-Thrull Galvatron, celebrating his own imminent rescue. Thundercracker and Skywarp could perhaps just be [[Generic|other, similar]] [[Seeker (body-type)|Seekers]] as in the early episodes, many more were seen on Cybertron.''

Where are Skywarp and Thundercracker? I didn't see 'em no place. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 01:43, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

==Hail Galvatron-Nazi Style==
Please tell me I'm not the only one who noticed this:
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh118/Chipmonk328/NaziDecepticons.jpg

It looks less obvious in the picture, but watch the episode and you'll see what I mean.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
Nevermind...I feel stupid now. You were already discussing it -.- ---[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

Talk:Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1

2010-02-04T18:10:10Z

Chipmonk328: /* Hail Galvatron-Nazi Style */

== Sweeps salute ==

You do realize that the "Nazi salute" is done with the RIGHT arm, not the left? And that it predates Adolf Hitler by millennia? Seems like somebody is SERIOUSLY overreacting to a cartoon. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:11, 26 September 2009 (EDT)
:''I'' certainly realize that, which is why I just removed the whole silly thing. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 16:37, 26 September 2009 (EDT)
::Thanks, Thy. I wanted to remove it, but wanted to give everyone a chance to be heard on it. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:49, 27 September 2009 (EDT)

== Powderolverize the Autobots! ==

''* Rumble's rallying cry, quoted above, is delivered rather strangely. "I say we powderulverize the Autobots!" he shouts. Then, his voice sounds out again, shouting "I say we ''pulverowderize'' 'em!" The second line is emphasized as if it is ''disagreeing'' with Rumble's idea of "powderulverizing", and suggesting "pulverowderizing" instead, making it appear that [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] is hanging around and contesting his brother's idea. The script, however, attributes both lines of Rumble, suggesting just a bad vocal take.''

I... really don't see the problem here. He's repeating himself. For emphasis. Since nobody responds the first time. The "pulverowderize" thing plays up the same "uncrossamatic" gag as in the movie. That's all there is to it. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 01:43, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

''** Others include Thundercracker, Skywarp and the supposedly-on-Thrull Galvatron, celebrating his own imminent rescue. Thundercracker and Skywarp could perhaps just be [[Generic|other, similar]] [[Seeker (body-type)|Seekers]] as in the early episodes, many more were seen on Cybertron.''

Where are Skywarp and Thundercracker? I didn't see 'em no place. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 01:43, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

==Hail Galvatron-Nazi Style==
Please tell me I'm not the only one who noticed this:
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh118/Chipmonk328/NaziDecepticons.jpg

It looks less obvious in the picture, but watch the episode and you'll see what I mean.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
Nevermind...I feel stupid now. You were already discussing it -.- ---[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

Talk:Knockoff

2010-01-14T13:33:56Z

Chipmonk328: /* Space Warriors: Beast Tech Fighters */

This page needs a pic of that SEND THE BOOKS Energon Prime KO. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:53, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
:Done.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:43, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Anyone have anything they want also covered in here? I think it's fairly complete otherwise...--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 08:08, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

"It is probably safe to assume that knockoffs available in stores are quite legally produced and sold, and for those fans who collect them, this is fortunate: they provide a bizarre variety that is (with good reason) not to be found in official products." <-- Knockoffs are legal? Yeah, no. In other news, the number of African elephants triples!

Just a general note - I've never actually seen the names of the various Chinese KO companies thrown around before; can we get a citation/link to an article on these guys? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 10:55, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
:Also, following up on myself, [http://jintoys.com/product.asp?A3=DA these guys] are some kind of gods of knockoffery. They have bootlegs I've never seen before, but would love to get my mitts on (G2 Powermasters, those Decepticon jets that had the scopes, tons of Real Gears, all kinds of crazy.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:02, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
::Good lord, that's like the axis of flea market evil. I've seen most of that stuff. Sadly, no G2 Powermasters however.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:51, 19 March 2008 (UTC)a
:::Hey look, [http://jintoys.com/photo/DA/DA7802.jpg USA Dark Saber] and [http://jintoys.com/photo/DA/DA8919.jpg a Shrapnel that wishes he were dead]!--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 08:04, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:I'll put citations in later today if I get the chance to. --[[User:Might Gaine|Might Gaine]] 15:56, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

:done --[[User:Might Gaine|Might Gaine]] 23:15, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Trendmasters--isn't it more likely that they were just importing Leader Shine/Champion Crown toys themselves rather than KOing off Leader Shine, TFs, and Power Rangers? This would make sense since LS/CC themselves made KOs of Transformers and Power Rangers. By the way, what KO TFs and Power Rangers did they make? Were they the ones that made those small low-detail Dinobot knockoffs that Kay Bee used to sell in the 90s? I honestly had no idea Trendmasters was involved in KOs in the 90s until you brought that up. --[[User:Might Gaine|Might Gaine]] 15:56, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
:I didn't learn about it myself until I was sorting through some of my old KO cards last year. I'd say they were importing the Leader Shine figures, but there's absolutely no mention of Leader Shine on the cards I've got, which are all Leader Shine insect figures purchased at Kay Bee Toys years ago, which is why I included them here. I have yet to find the figures again, but I recall them still having the Leader Shine mark on them, which they retained on the Tek Toys versions and even some of the Big Lots issues. I know for a fact that Trendmasters made bootlegs of Power Rangers' Turbo Rangers figures without the vast majority of paint applications. I've checked around a bit and believe they may have also been the supplier of the Grandus KO that Toys R Us carried for a short while, although that may have been Tek Toys again (it's tricky to get ahold of these dastardly boxes). I'm also reasonably certain that they were among the loads of companies that marketed through Kay Bee Toys, and are likely the supplier of the toys that ripped off the Dinobot transformations. They might have also been a US importer of the Dai-Lung Master Godzilla-ized Grimlock figure, but I haven't been able to find an old US boxed sample to check.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:33, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::If the Trendmasters insects have the Leader Shine mark on them, then they were probably importing them. The fact that the package doesn't mention Leader Shine isn't really a big deal--Sonokong Brave and TF toys don't mention Takara on their package, after all. The other bootlegs they sold were probably Leader Shine bootlegs as well. Do you have pictures of the PR Turbo bootlegs? When you say Grandus KO, you mean Sky Garry, right? I don't think that was them, but I believe I have one at home, so I can check when I get a chance. I think it was a company based out of Taiwan. I'm pretty sure the Mecha Godzilla Grimlock was just Leader Shine/Champion Crown releasing it directly. As for the Kay Bee dinobot knockoffs--that seems more likely to be Trendmasters given that (a) it was sold at Kay Bee as well, and (b) it fits Leader Shine's M.O. of a toy that transformers the same but is completely retooled. Too bad they were hard to find even back then. It would probably be nearly impossible to find them now. --[[User:Might Gaine|Might Gaine]] 19:21, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

==eBay crackdown?==
I'm pretty sure I heard that virtually all the auctions for the chinese G1 knockoffs have been pulled from eBay. I certainly can't seem to find a Mirage, Metroplex, or cassette set right now. I'm assuming Hasbro said something to eBay? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 18:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

== Just asking ==

Should anything be said here about things like iG34r and F4nsPr0j3¢t or would it be best to ignore them? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:04, 28 August 2009 (EDT)
:iGear are, at this point, a knockoff manufacturer. FansProject are not.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:07, 28 August 2009 (EDT)
::FansProject has yet to copy anything from a Hasbro mold, even wheels, so that's a resounding no. I think I'll leave iGear out for now as they're mainly just infringing on a copyright currently as opposed to making straight up copies of Hasbro and Takara molds to my knowledge, but I'll suppose I'll wait and see.--[[User:MCRG Again|MCRG Again]] 17:28, 28 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Nope, iGear has actually [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/generation-1-1/igear-ig-pp01-mini-masterpiece-optimus-prime-168342/ made the jump] with a scaled-down Masterpiece Optimus Prime knockoff.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:40, 28 August 2009 (EDT)

== Uh... ==

The Chinese even dare to use the modified version logo of TFW2005 on their knockoff package...[http://tfnd.net/BBS/showthread.php?p=134997#post134997] --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 11:02, 28 November 2009 (EST)
:Well, if you're already stealing molds, and Dreamwave art, that's kind of spit in the ocean.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:06, 28 November 2009 (EST)

== Bootleg vs knock off ==

Does anyone else see a difference between these two things? I had always thought of bootlegs as unofficial productions from the actual HasTak molds, while knock offs are made using molds produced by the knock off manufacturer. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:56, 20 December 2009 (EST)

==Space Warriors: Beast Tech Fighters==
I've owned a few for a long time, and I'm surprised they aren't mentioned here. Agglo, a Hong Kong based toy manufacturer known for low-cost children's items and knockoffs of toys from other companies, made knockoffs in this line of Transmetal 2 Rattrap, Transmetal 2 Megatron, RID Megatron, Beast Machines Optimus Primal (but this one is more accurate to the show than the real toy ironically), Leo Convoy, Heinrad, Armordillo, BW Sonar, Transmetal 2 Spittor, Scarem and some others as well. I own all of them except for RID Megatron and the latter 4. (And I lost the Leo Convoy Knockoff, which saddens me sense I loved that toy) they are all however, very low quality plastic which breaks very, very easy. Another interesting thing to note: On its packaging on the front, its main robot it likes to show is Beast Machines Cheetor, which so far I've not seen them have any toys of. Still, I feel they are worth mentioning sense Beast Wars Knockoffs are rather rare.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

Added to article, sense no one ever replied. I have proof so if you need any pictures as proof, I can provide them. (I own alot of them) There is also this youtube video if you need more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONfMDWCpQ0Y--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
and just in case that wasn't enough proof, I found another one on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKM5LfbFhpY--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

Knockoff

2010-01-14T12:58:59Z

Chipmonk328: /* Knockoff companies */

[[Image:Bootleg.jpg|right|273px|thumb|Super Combination Robot B/O 17-in-1. One just sold for $350 on Ebay. Feel free to throw up in your mouth a little.]]
A '''knockoff''' is a product similar or identical to a product of one company, but made by another without the authorization of the original maker. In the ''Transformers'' fandom, the term is commonly abbreviated '''KO'''. The term '''bootleg''' is also sometimes used as a synonym.

==What's a knockoff?==
Not all transforming robots from makers other than [[Hasbro]], [[TakaraTomy]], [[Bandai]], or other major toy makers are knockoffs, but those toys which wholly or partly duplicate pre-existing designs are well-qualified for the term. The term is also applied by fans, however, to some robots whose design was entirely original with the manufacturer, if said manufacturer is commonly associated with knockoffs, or if this maker's products are often sold in company with knockoffs.

Whether an original design, modified, or slavishly copied, knockoffs are often cheaper than the products of major toymakers. However, the quality of knockoffs is often poorer than that of the originals, including bad plastic quality, bad sticker application, and bad paint applications. Odd colors, excess chrome, resizings, and modifications are common. The world of knockoffs is a strange land of gigantic chromed swords, Gundam/[[Brave]] card art, and wacky packaging translations.

==Legal analysis of knockoffs==
Despite myths to the contrary, most ''Transformers'' knockoffs are illegal. In HASBRO BRADLEY, INC. v. SPARKLE TOYS, INC., 780 F.2d 189 (2nd Cir. 1985), the Second Circuit granted an injunction on Sparkle Toys' Jumpstarter knockoffs, where Hasbro showed a likelihood of success for infringement of their copyright in the Jumpstarters toys.<ref>[http://www.law.cornell.edu/copyright/cases/780_F2d_189.htm http://www.law.cornell.edu/copyright/cases/780_F2d_189.htm]</ref> For those not law literate, this basically means that (A) Hasbro held a valid copyright in the Jumpstarters, and (B) Hasbro had a strong enough case that this would have gone to a jury, which would ultimately decide whether there was infringement.

Although Hasbro and Takara's design patents on ''Transformers'' toys expire after 14 years from issuance, their copyright in ''Transformers'' toys lasts for 95 years from publication, i.e., sale to the public. Thus, while the design patents on some ''Transformers'' toys have expired, the copyright protection on all ''Transformers'' toys is still in effect. For useful articles, such as a reconfigurable toy, copyright protects only those expressive elements that are separable from the function. While a transformation is probably not protectable because it is functional, the overall look of the robot or alternate mode is protectable. Thus, while a heavily remolded knockoff that only retains the transformation of the original toy may avoid infringement, a toy that is only resized or is only painted in different colors would infringe Hasbro and Takara's copyright regardless of the slight modification.

==Availability of knockoffs==
Through most of the 1990s, knockoffs were relatively difficult to find in the West. Many fans had luck finding them at flea markets, hole-in-the-wall non-chain toy stores, or discount stores like [[Big Lots]]!. Some knockoff transforming robot toys did show up in chain toy stores, such as the Convert-A-Bots [[Sky Garry (G1)|Sky Garry]] and Tek Toys ''Voltron'' I—both widely available at Toys R Us—but they were few and far between.

In the 2000s, knockoffs became more accessible. The Kidi Toys gestalt knockoffs were widely available at Family Dollar and [[Kay Bee]] Toy Liquidator stores, and saturated [[eBay]]. Happy Well knockoffs took up shelf space next to Transformers Armada toys at [[Wal-Mart]]. And of course, the realistic counterfeit G1 toys also are widely available on eBay from any number of different sellers.

==Hasbro's intervention (or lack thereof)==
To date, Hasbro apparently has taken few actions against knockoff manufacturers. Only a couple of cases exist from the 1980s in which Hasbro shut down a ''Transformers'' knockoff operation, and no such cases exist from the 1990s onward. Hasbro's ''Transformers'' design director [[Aaron Archer]] was once quoted as making a comment at [[BotCon]] implying that Hasbro was unconcerned with knockoffs.{{fact}} Strangely, Hasbro recently contacted small online toy store AgesThreeAndUp and told them to take down their knockoff listings. At [[BotCon 2008]], [[Greg Lombardo]] read an official Hasbro policy discouraging fans from purchasing knockoffs--even in the main dealer room just a few yards away--and vaguely threatening future legal action against their producers. Recently, eBay began taking down auctions for knockoff Transformers, but it's unclear whether this was Hasbro's doing or not.

==Knockoff companies==
Certain knockoff companies have earned reputations via their rather distinctive ways of altering the original product:

* Four Star - Known during the 1980s for taking any number of ''[[Diaclone]]''-descendant [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] molds and making massive [[Retool|retools]] of them, usually changing 75% of the mold or more. They are especially known for "Mr. Hardhat", a [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] bootleg that is made up of six entirely changed [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] that combine in an entirely different way. The fully combined form uses [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]'s head.

* Tek Toys - A North American company that appeared in the early to mid-1990s and did business almost exclusively through Toys "R" Us. They pioneered the combination card/windowless box design used by many, many bootlegs to this day. Tek Toys also used a distinctively plain graphics style on their packaging, eschewing the usual random ''Gundam'' and ''Generation 1'' graphics for new airbrushed art or, surprising for a knockoff company, CGI models, almost always against a plain white background. Tek Toys also worked in extremes, either having recolored copies of existing figures or all new original figures that may or may not have been procured from smaller Asian companies (often times Leader Shine). In a bold move, Tek Toys had their office address printed on later boxes. Their new box graphics are still recycled by other knockoff companies to this day.

[[Image:JBootleg.jpg|right|180px|thumb|On your knees, Jumpstarters! Kneel before your living GOD!]]
* Leader Shine (AKA Champion Crown) - Known during the 1990s for bootlegging the living hell out of the [[Jumpstarter]] molds, producing clones, minor retools, major retools, and almost unrecognizable retools. They also produce "original" toys whose transformation schemes are derived from either ''Transformers'', the ''Brave'' series, and ''Power Rangers''. They still release new and varied Jumpstarters to this day. Leader Shine is also responsible for the very ''Godzilla''-themed knockoff of [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] that reappears every few years. They also have an amusing habit of putting "Pat. P." (Patent Pending) on almost all of their packages in spite of whether their product is a direct copy or completely changed. It is not known how many, if any, patents Leader Shine actually holds.

* Happy Well - Currently the most well known knockoff company, Happy Well was bold enough to strike a contract with Wal*Mart, CVS Pharmacies, and Walgreen's, making them possibly the first company to have a knockoff "name brand", namely the "Galaxy Defender" series. Happy Well uses relatively high-quality materials, and most of their products are boxed. Some even come with sticker sheets and [[die-cast]] parts. Their "Roadbots" line is the only direct competitor to the ''[[Alternators]]'' line of licensed scale transforming cars.

* Zhong Jin, aka Playcenter<ref>Zhong Jin/Playcenter was first identified as the manufacturer of the knockoffs in September 2007, when fans noticed pictures of most of the current counterfeit G1 knockoffs on their [http://china.alibaba.com/company/detail/playcenter.html Alibaba supplier website], including then-upcoming counterfeits like Warpath. Apparently aware of this, Zhong Jin took down images of all their counterfeit Transformers from the website in October or November.</ref> - The first and primary manufacturer of the high-quality counterfeit ''Generation 1'' knockoffs. Zhong Jin has been making their counterfeit Transformers since 2005, starting with Beachcomber, but in 2007 began greatly increasing their range of counterfeit ''Generation 1'' knockoffs, which now includes [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], many [[Minibot|minibots]], several Decepticon cassette 2-packs, almost all the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]],several Autobot cars, Devastator, and [[Gnaw]]. They have also done many plastic/paint variants of their knockoffs, including many clear plastic versions.

* Kidi Toys<ref>[http://www.toysghost.cn Kidi Toys' web site]</ref> - Perhaps best known as the manufacturer of the many low-quality ''Generation 1'' gestalt gift sets. Following Zhong Jin's lead, they recently began producing realistic counterfeit ''Generation 1'' knockoffs. So far, they have created knockoffs of [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] and [[Metrotitan (G1)|Metrotitan]], both of which come in a Metroplex box. They both can be distinguished from the originals because of slightly different plastic colors. Among their other notable knockoffs are [[Alternator]] figures with new or copied paint schemes of reasonable quality.

* Citi Toys - Based in Thailand, the same company that was producing toys for McDonald's Happy Meals was also producing knockoffs of transforming robots, albeit mostly ''Brave'' and ''Power Rangers''. After news leaked out that they used child labor, new knockoffs with their "CT" logo stopped appearing, which suggests that the child labor scandal caused them to shut down.

*Agglo is a Hong Kong based Toy Company that produces Beast Wars knockoffs in the form of a toyline referred to as "Space warriors: Transformable Beast-Tech Fighters. Among them, Transmetal 2 Megatron, A redeco of Transmetal 2 Megatron, Transmetal Rattrap, Lio Convoy, Heinrad, Armordillo, BW Sonar, Transmetal 2 Spittor, Scarem and some others as well. They even do something strange and have two non-Beast Wars toys in the line: RID Megatron, and Beast Machines Optimus Primal (but this one is more accurate to the show than the real toy ironically.)

==Countries that produce or once produced knockoffs==
Most knockoffs originate outside of North America and Europe. Although most knockoff-producing countries have joined the Berne Convention and have thus obligated themselves to protect the copyrights of other countries, lax enforcement has allowed manufacturers in many foreign countries, such as China, to continue to produce knockoffs. However, manufacturers in other countries like South Korea, which was once a huge source of knockoff ''Transformers'', have in the last decade made efforts to legitimize themselves by buying the rights to produce official Korean versions of the toys they had long been copying.

[[Image:SENDTHEBOOKS.jpg|right|180px|thumb|SEND THE BOOKS!]]
* China -- The main source of the world's Transformers knockoffs and notorious for their use of gigantic blister cards. Although they are typically low quality, such as the combiner gift sets produced by Kiddi Toys, it is also the home of Playcenter, the high quality counterfeit ''Generation 1'' toy manufacturer. China has signed the Berne Convention obligating them to protect foreign copyrights, and has enacted legislation to do so, but their enforcement remains at a pitifully weak level.

* South Korea -- Was once a hotbed of Transformers knockoff activity. It was not uncommon in South Korea for there to even be [[Phoenix King|animated series]] that incorporated multiple knocked-off properties, such as [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] fighting a Gundam or any other number of famous characters. Hilariously, "Gundam" was so embedded in the South Korean public psyche as a synonym for "giant robot" via these different bootleg outlets that the ''Gundam'' property owner Sunrise's attempts to trademark the word were entirely rejected by the courts<ref>[http://www.comipress.com/article/2006/10/28/938 http://www.comipress.com/article/2006/10/28/938] Gundam and Giant Robots in South Korea</ref>. Some Korean knockoff manufacturers took great liberties with Transformers molds, such as significantly increasing their size[http://www.geocities.com/scrambledcity/skorbia/skorbydestrong.html], and/or retooling their alt modes to resemble completely different vehicles.[http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=17850203&uid=5138952] South Korea is known for such knockoffs as oversized Combaticons, Overlord with Starsaber's face, multiple Power Master Optimus cab knockoffs, and the white Oversized ''Generation 2'' Optimus Prime (the legitimacy of which has been debated). Since the mid-/late-1990s, South Korea has begun enforcing foreign copyrights and is no longer a major source of knockoff Transformers toys.

* Taiwan -- Known for knockoffs with a lot of English text on them and higher quality than Chinese knockoffs. Many Taiwanese knockoffs found their way into Italy in the 1980s and 1990s and can often be spotted on Italian eBay. Gig, the official ''Transformers'' licensee in Italy, even imported a Taiwanese knockoff [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. Like South Korea, Taiwan is no longer a major source of knockoffs.

==Transitional companies==
[[Image:AlphaBaseRobot.jpg|left|180px|thumb|Oh, hi. I cost more than a MISB G1 Overlord. Want to touch me?]]
[[Image:TrendmastersMasterbotix.jpg|right|180px|thumb|AND I'LL FORM THE HE—oh, wait.]]
Although remarkably rare, some knockoff companies eventually venture into legitimate toy design territory. One such example is Trendmasters, which started out as a knockoff manufacturer before eventually legally securing the [[wikipedia:Voltron|''Voltron'']] license. It is possible that Happy Well might also follow this lead, given their success with the original Roadbots figures and subsequent shift away from their bootleg roots.

Another such company was Korean knockoff manufacturer Academy. Academy is known for releasing the Overlord knockoff with Star Saber's head as well as the huge, up-sized ''Gundam'' Cloth MK-II. In the world of plastic scale models, they were also known for producing low-quality knockoffs of Japanese manufacturer Tamiya's kits with copied box art. Academy has since gone legit, legally acquiring such licenses as ''Gundam'', ''Naruto'', ''Tom and Jerry'', and ''Zoids''.<ref>[http://www.academy.co.kr/character/index.html http://www.academy.co.kr/character/index.html]</ref>

==High quality ''Generation 1'' counterfeits==
Starting around 2005, high quality ''Generation 1'' knockoffs began to appear on eBay. Originating from a company called Zhong Jin in China, both the packaging and toy of the knockoffs look nearly identical to the original. Unlike normal knockoffs, these sell for remarkably high prices. Since 2005, many counterfeit ''Generation 1'' products have surfaced from Zhong Jin, including Optimus Prime, minibots, cassettes, Autobot cars, Devastator, Dinobots, and Gnaw. Zhong Jin also has produced many color and plastic variants of their knockoffs, such as translucent versions, which were never previously released (and some of which that were, like Jafcon Black Optimus Prime).

Recently a second knockoff company, Kidi Toys, has begun producing high quality ''Generation 1'' counterfeits as well, starting with Metroplex and Metrotitan. Fans of the knockoffs have complained that the box quality on these two releases is not as high as Zhong Jin's knockoffs and the color of the plastic is off. On the other hand, these knockoffs are much cheaper than the Zhong Jin counterfeits, and priced on par with Takaratomy reissues.

The counterfeit ''Generation 1'' toys remain extremely controversial because they are virtually indistinguishable from the originals. This situation raises concerns about unscrupulous dealers selling bootlegs as genuine articles and scrupulous ones unknowingly doing the same.

Counterfeit ''Generation 1'' parts, stickers, and boxes have appeared from Zhong Jin as well, including many that have not had a corresponding whole knockoff released, including [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] boxes and [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] sticker sheets.

The counterfeit ''Generation 1'' toys are often confused with the legitimate [[Chinese-made G1 toys|Hasbro-made re-releases for the Chinese market produced from 1989 through 1995]]. (See below.)

==Myths about knockoffs==
Over the years, there have been a lot of widespread myths about knockoffs. Perhaps the most preposterous myth is that knockoffs are legal. See the Legal Analysis section above for why this theory is incorrect. Although few proponents of this theory exist, those that do claim vigorously that the presence of knockoffs on Family Dollar or Wal-Mart's shelves means that those products must be legitimate. The flaw in the reasoning here is that it assumes big chain stores would never do anything ignorantly or illegally, which is certainly [http://www.google.com/search?q=walmart+lawsuit not the case].

One long-held myth among fans (due to a general lack of information), is that the ''Generation 1'' ''Transformers'' with Chinese stickers in the corner are high-quality counterfeits. After all, they look just like the original ''Generation 1'' releases, but with some very small differences and oftentimes slightly inferior plastic quality. Recently, though, it's come out that these were, in fact, [[Generation 1 China (toyline)|re-releases for the Chinese market produced from 1989 through 1995]], not unlike their Chinese ''[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]'' counterparts from around the same period. Ironically, high-quality counterfeit ''Generation 1'' toys from China would eventually come out, but it wouldn't be until 2005, a decade later.

==Recent knockoffs and the movie effect==
Since the release of the [[Transformers (2007)|2007 ''Transformers'' movie]], a flood of bootlegged figures has entered the market, with some movie line figure knockoffs appearing within a month of the official product's debut. The figures range from high-quality clones to ''very'' low-quality copies and strange variations, such as random Generation 1 figures being redone in movie paint decos (usually [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]'s flame scheme or [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee's]] yellow with black stripes).

[[Image:TFA Prime KO.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Hey I'm not the KO, [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|He]] is!]]

A knockoff company recently released a knockoff of ''[[Transformers Animated|Transformers Animated]]'' Voyager Earth-mode [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]], a couple weeks ''before'' the release of the original! The reason this occurred is that Hasbro shelved their already-manufactured ''Animated'' toys for several months in order to extend selling their popular movie line. Thus, finished ''Animated'' toys were able to leak out of factories and into hands of bootleggers long before they were to finally be released.

With the release of the 2009 [[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie line]] various knockoff toys have also emerged. These include oversized versions of the new Scout class molds, redecos of new Deluxe molds and molds from other lines redecoed to more closely resemble new characters (for instance the ''Animated'' Deluxe [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] mold repainted to look like [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]], complete with door detailing).

==External links==
*[http://highendtfs.com/?q=node/17 HighEndTFs' ID Guide for high quality counterfeit Generation 1 Transformers]

*[http://www.actionfigurechecklist.com/Images/Album/index.php?v=list&i=0&p=Transformers_KnockOff_KO Action Figure Checklist's Transformer Knock-Off Photo Album]

*[http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/3230/tfother.html All Things Transformers - Other Transforming Toys]

*[http://mykooltoyz.tripod.com/bootleg-tf.html BOOTLEG TRANSFORMERS]

*[http://cybertronphils.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=toyreview&action=print&thread=4183 Bootleg Center]

*[http://www22.pos.to/~butto/ttot.html Butto's Other Transforming Toys (Japanese)]

*[http://www.netlaputa.ne.jp/~m-akao/GALLERY/fakehp.html Fake Toy Gallery (Japanese)]

*[http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=6&uid=5138952 Hatch's Bootleg Transformers]

*[http://www.geocities.com/kidk0rrupt/frames/bootlegs.htm Kid K0rrupt's Bootleg Gallery]

*[http://www.builtstlouis.net/tf/mmkos/index.html Rob's Pile of Transformers: Micromaster Knockoffs]

*[http://www.tfarchive.com/toys/bootlegs/ TFArchive.com's Bootleg Gallery]

*[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-toy-discussion/191817-knock-off-transformers-thread.html TFW2005 Ongoing Knock-Off Transformers Thread]

*[http://www.toyarchive.com/Transformers/Knockoffs/Genertaion1KnockOffs.html Toyarchive.com's Gallery of Generation 1 Knockoffs]

*[http://zobovor.20megsfree.com/knockoffs_archive.html Zobovor's Knockoff Toys Archive (text)]

*[http://www.geocities.com/scrambledcity/skorbia/index.html SKORBIA-Crazysteve's South Korean Bootleg Information Archive]

==Footnotes==
<references />

[[Category:Toys]]

Knockoff

2010-01-14T12:57:24Z

Chipmonk328: /* Knockoff companies */

[[Image:Bootleg.jpg|right|273px|thumb|Super Combination Robot B/O 17-in-1. One just sold for $350 on Ebay. Feel free to throw up in your mouth a little.]]
A '''knockoff''' is a product similar or identical to a product of one company, but made by another without the authorization of the original maker. In the ''Transformers'' fandom, the term is commonly abbreviated '''KO'''. The term '''bootleg''' is also sometimes used as a synonym.

==What's a knockoff?==
Not all transforming robots from makers other than [[Hasbro]], [[TakaraTomy]], [[Bandai]], or other major toy makers are knockoffs, but those toys which wholly or partly duplicate pre-existing designs are well-qualified for the term. The term is also applied by fans, however, to some robots whose design was entirely original with the manufacturer, if said manufacturer is commonly associated with knockoffs, or if this maker's products are often sold in company with knockoffs.

Whether an original design, modified, or slavishly copied, knockoffs are often cheaper than the products of major toymakers. However, the quality of knockoffs is often poorer than that of the originals, including bad plastic quality, bad sticker application, and bad paint applications. Odd colors, excess chrome, resizings, and modifications are common. The world of knockoffs is a strange land of gigantic chromed swords, Gundam/[[Brave]] card art, and wacky packaging translations.

==Legal analysis of knockoffs==
Despite myths to the contrary, most ''Transformers'' knockoffs are illegal. In HASBRO BRADLEY, INC. v. SPARKLE TOYS, INC., 780 F.2d 189 (2nd Cir. 1985), the Second Circuit granted an injunction on Sparkle Toys' Jumpstarter knockoffs, where Hasbro showed a likelihood of success for infringement of their copyright in the Jumpstarters toys.<ref>[http://www.law.cornell.edu/copyright/cases/780_F2d_189.htm http://www.law.cornell.edu/copyright/cases/780_F2d_189.htm]</ref> For those not law literate, this basically means that (A) Hasbro held a valid copyright in the Jumpstarters, and (B) Hasbro had a strong enough case that this would have gone to a jury, which would ultimately decide whether there was infringement.

Although Hasbro and Takara's design patents on ''Transformers'' toys expire after 14 years from issuance, their copyright in ''Transformers'' toys lasts for 95 years from publication, i.e., sale to the public. Thus, while the design patents on some ''Transformers'' toys have expired, the copyright protection on all ''Transformers'' toys is still in effect. For useful articles, such as a reconfigurable toy, copyright protects only those expressive elements that are separable from the function. While a transformation is probably not protectable because it is functional, the overall look of the robot or alternate mode is protectable. Thus, while a heavily remolded knockoff that only retains the transformation of the original toy may avoid infringement, a toy that is only resized or is only painted in different colors would infringe Hasbro and Takara's copyright regardless of the slight modification.

==Availability of knockoffs==
Through most of the 1990s, knockoffs were relatively difficult to find in the West. Many fans had luck finding them at flea markets, hole-in-the-wall non-chain toy stores, or discount stores like [[Big Lots]]!. Some knockoff transforming robot toys did show up in chain toy stores, such as the Convert-A-Bots [[Sky Garry (G1)|Sky Garry]] and Tek Toys ''Voltron'' I—both widely available at Toys R Us—but they were few and far between.

In the 2000s, knockoffs became more accessible. The Kidi Toys gestalt knockoffs were widely available at Family Dollar and [[Kay Bee]] Toy Liquidator stores, and saturated [[eBay]]. Happy Well knockoffs took up shelf space next to Transformers Armada toys at [[Wal-Mart]]. And of course, the realistic counterfeit G1 toys also are widely available on eBay from any number of different sellers.

==Hasbro's intervention (or lack thereof)==
To date, Hasbro apparently has taken few actions against knockoff manufacturers. Only a couple of cases exist from the 1980s in which Hasbro shut down a ''Transformers'' knockoff operation, and no such cases exist from the 1990s onward. Hasbro's ''Transformers'' design director [[Aaron Archer]] was once quoted as making a comment at [[BotCon]] implying that Hasbro was unconcerned with knockoffs.{{fact}} Strangely, Hasbro recently contacted small online toy store AgesThreeAndUp and told them to take down their knockoff listings. At [[BotCon 2008]], [[Greg Lombardo]] read an official Hasbro policy discouraging fans from purchasing knockoffs--even in the main dealer room just a few yards away--and vaguely threatening future legal action against their producers. Recently, eBay began taking down auctions for knockoff Transformers, but it's unclear whether this was Hasbro's doing or not.

==Knockoff companies==
Certain knockoff companies have earned reputations via their rather distinctive ways of altering the original product:

* Four Star - Known during the 1980s for taking any number of ''[[Diaclone]]''-descendant [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] molds and making massive [[Retool|retools]] of them, usually changing 75% of the mold or more. They are especially known for "Mr. Hardhat", a [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] bootleg that is made up of six entirely changed [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] that combine in an entirely different way. The fully combined form uses [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]'s head.

* Tek Toys - A North American company that appeared in the early to mid-1990s and did business almost exclusively through Toys "R" Us. They pioneered the combination card/windowless box design used by many, many bootlegs to this day. Tek Toys also used a distinctively plain graphics style on their packaging, eschewing the usual random ''Gundam'' and ''Generation 1'' graphics for new airbrushed art or, surprising for a knockoff company, CGI models, almost always against a plain white background. Tek Toys also worked in extremes, either having recolored copies of existing figures or all new original figures that may or may not have been procured from smaller Asian companies (often times Leader Shine). In a bold move, Tek Toys had their office address printed on later boxes. Their new box graphics are still recycled by other knockoff companies to this day.

[[Image:JBootleg.jpg|right|180px|thumb|On your knees, Jumpstarters! Kneel before your living GOD!]]
* Leader Shine (AKA Champion Crown) - Known during the 1990s for bootlegging the living hell out of the [[Jumpstarter]] molds, producing clones, minor retools, major retools, and almost unrecognizable retools. They also produce "original" toys whose transformation schemes are derived from either ''Transformers'', the ''Brave'' series, and ''Power Rangers''. They still release new and varied Jumpstarters to this day. Leader Shine is also responsible for the very ''Godzilla''-themed knockoff of [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] that reappears every few years. They also have an amusing habit of putting "Pat. P." (Patent Pending) on almost all of their packages in spite of whether their product is a direct copy or completely changed. It is not known how many, if any, patents Leader Shine actually holds.

* Happy Well - Currently the most well known knockoff company, Happy Well was bold enough to strike a contract with Wal*Mart, CVS Pharmacies, and Walgreen's, making them possibly the first company to have a knockoff "name brand", namely the "Galaxy Defender" series. Happy Well uses relatively high-quality materials, and most of their products are boxed. Some even come with sticker sheets and [[die-cast]] parts. Their "Roadbots" line is the only direct competitor to the ''[[Alternators]]'' line of licensed scale transforming cars.

* Zhong Jin, aka Playcenter<ref>Zhong Jin/Playcenter was first identified as the manufacturer of the knockoffs in September 2007, when fans noticed pictures of most of the current counterfeit G1 knockoffs on their [http://china.alibaba.com/company/detail/playcenter.html Alibaba supplier website], including then-upcoming counterfeits like Warpath. Apparently aware of this, Zhong Jin took down images of all their counterfeit Transformers from the website in October or November.</ref> - The first and primary manufacturer of the high-quality counterfeit ''Generation 1'' knockoffs. Zhong Jin has been making their counterfeit Transformers since 2005, starting with Beachcomber, but in 2007 began greatly increasing their range of counterfeit ''Generation 1'' knockoffs, which now includes [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], many [[Minibot|minibots]], several Decepticon cassette 2-packs, almost all the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]],several Autobot cars, Devastator, and [[Gnaw]]. They have also done many plastic/paint variants of their knockoffs, including many clear plastic versions.

* Kidi Toys<ref>[http://www.toysghost.cn Kidi Toys' web site]</ref> - Perhaps best known as the manufacturer of the many low-quality ''Generation 1'' gestalt gift sets. Following Zhong Jin's lead, they recently began producing realistic counterfeit ''Generation 1'' knockoffs. So far, they have created knockoffs of [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] and [[Metrotitan (G1)|Metrotitan]], both of which come in a Metroplex box. They both can be distinguished from the originals because of slightly different plastic colors. Among their other notable knockoffs are [[Alternator]] figures with new or copied paint schemes of reasonable quality.

* Citi Toys - Based in Thailand, the same company that was producing toys for McDonald's Happy Meals was also producing knockoffs of transforming robots, albeit mostly ''Brave'' and ''Power Rangers''. After news leaked out that they used child labor, new knockoffs with their "CT" logo stopped appearing, which suggests that the child labor scandal caused them to shut down.

*Agglo is a Hong Kong based Toy Company that produces Beast Wars knockoffs in the form of a toyline referred to as "Space warriors: Transformable Beast-Tech Fighters. Among them, Transmetal 2 Megatron, A redeco of Transmetal 2 Megatron, Transmetal Rattrap,RID Megatron, Beast Machines Optimus Primal (but this one is more accurate to the show than the real toy ironically), Leo Convoy, Heinrad, Armordillo, BW Sonar, Transmetal 2 Spittor, Scarem and some others as well.

==Countries that produce or once produced knockoffs==
Most knockoffs originate outside of North America and Europe. Although most knockoff-producing countries have joined the Berne Convention and have thus obligated themselves to protect the copyrights of other countries, lax enforcement has allowed manufacturers in many foreign countries, such as China, to continue to produce knockoffs. However, manufacturers in other countries like South Korea, which was once a huge source of knockoff ''Transformers'', have in the last decade made efforts to legitimize themselves by buying the rights to produce official Korean versions of the toys they had long been copying.

[[Image:SENDTHEBOOKS.jpg|right|180px|thumb|SEND THE BOOKS!]]
* China -- The main source of the world's Transformers knockoffs and notorious for their use of gigantic blister cards. Although they are typically low quality, such as the combiner gift sets produced by Kiddi Toys, it is also the home of Playcenter, the high quality counterfeit ''Generation 1'' toy manufacturer. China has signed the Berne Convention obligating them to protect foreign copyrights, and has enacted legislation to do so, but their enforcement remains at a pitifully weak level.

* South Korea -- Was once a hotbed of Transformers knockoff activity. It was not uncommon in South Korea for there to even be [[Phoenix King|animated series]] that incorporated multiple knocked-off properties, such as [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] fighting a Gundam or any other number of famous characters. Hilariously, "Gundam" was so embedded in the South Korean public psyche as a synonym for "giant robot" via these different bootleg outlets that the ''Gundam'' property owner Sunrise's attempts to trademark the word were entirely rejected by the courts<ref>[http://www.comipress.com/article/2006/10/28/938 http://www.comipress.com/article/2006/10/28/938] Gundam and Giant Robots in South Korea</ref>. Some Korean knockoff manufacturers took great liberties with Transformers molds, such as significantly increasing their size[http://www.geocities.com/scrambledcity/skorbia/skorbydestrong.html], and/or retooling their alt modes to resemble completely different vehicles.[http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=17850203&uid=5138952] South Korea is known for such knockoffs as oversized Combaticons, Overlord with Starsaber's face, multiple Power Master Optimus cab knockoffs, and the white Oversized ''Generation 2'' Optimus Prime (the legitimacy of which has been debated). Since the mid-/late-1990s, South Korea has begun enforcing foreign copyrights and is no longer a major source of knockoff Transformers toys.

* Taiwan -- Known for knockoffs with a lot of English text on them and higher quality than Chinese knockoffs. Many Taiwanese knockoffs found their way into Italy in the 1980s and 1990s and can often be spotted on Italian eBay. Gig, the official ''Transformers'' licensee in Italy, even imported a Taiwanese knockoff [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. Like South Korea, Taiwan is no longer a major source of knockoffs.

==Transitional companies==
[[Image:AlphaBaseRobot.jpg|left|180px|thumb|Oh, hi. I cost more than a MISB G1 Overlord. Want to touch me?]]
[[Image:TrendmastersMasterbotix.jpg|right|180px|thumb|AND I'LL FORM THE HE—oh, wait.]]
Although remarkably rare, some knockoff companies eventually venture into legitimate toy design territory. One such example is Trendmasters, which started out as a knockoff manufacturer before eventually legally securing the [[wikipedia:Voltron|''Voltron'']] license. It is possible that Happy Well might also follow this lead, given their success with the original Roadbots figures and subsequent shift away from their bootleg roots.

Another such company was Korean knockoff manufacturer Academy. Academy is known for releasing the Overlord knockoff with Star Saber's head as well as the huge, up-sized ''Gundam'' Cloth MK-II. In the world of plastic scale models, they were also known for producing low-quality knockoffs of Japanese manufacturer Tamiya's kits with copied box art. Academy has since gone legit, legally acquiring such licenses as ''Gundam'', ''Naruto'', ''Tom and Jerry'', and ''Zoids''.<ref>[http://www.academy.co.kr/character/index.html http://www.academy.co.kr/character/index.html]</ref>

==High quality ''Generation 1'' counterfeits==
Starting around 2005, high quality ''Generation 1'' knockoffs began to appear on eBay. Originating from a company called Zhong Jin in China, both the packaging and toy of the knockoffs look nearly identical to the original. Unlike normal knockoffs, these sell for remarkably high prices. Since 2005, many counterfeit ''Generation 1'' products have surfaced from Zhong Jin, including Optimus Prime, minibots, cassettes, Autobot cars, Devastator, Dinobots, and Gnaw. Zhong Jin also has produced many color and plastic variants of their knockoffs, such as translucent versions, which were never previously released (and some of which that were, like Jafcon Black Optimus Prime).

Recently a second knockoff company, Kidi Toys, has begun producing high quality ''Generation 1'' counterfeits as well, starting with Metroplex and Metrotitan. Fans of the knockoffs have complained that the box quality on these two releases is not as high as Zhong Jin's knockoffs and the color of the plastic is off. On the other hand, these knockoffs are much cheaper than the Zhong Jin counterfeits, and priced on par with Takaratomy reissues.

The counterfeit ''Generation 1'' toys remain extremely controversial because they are virtually indistinguishable from the originals. This situation raises concerns about unscrupulous dealers selling bootlegs as genuine articles and scrupulous ones unknowingly doing the same.

Counterfeit ''Generation 1'' parts, stickers, and boxes have appeared from Zhong Jin as well, including many that have not had a corresponding whole knockoff released, including [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] boxes and [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] sticker sheets.

The counterfeit ''Generation 1'' toys are often confused with the legitimate [[Chinese-made G1 toys|Hasbro-made re-releases for the Chinese market produced from 1989 through 1995]]. (See below.)

==Myths about knockoffs==
Over the years, there have been a lot of widespread myths about knockoffs. Perhaps the most preposterous myth is that knockoffs are legal. See the Legal Analysis section above for why this theory is incorrect. Although few proponents of this theory exist, those that do claim vigorously that the presence of knockoffs on Family Dollar or Wal-Mart's shelves means that those products must be legitimate. The flaw in the reasoning here is that it assumes big chain stores would never do anything ignorantly or illegally, which is certainly [http://www.google.com/search?q=walmart+lawsuit not the case].

One long-held myth among fans (due to a general lack of information), is that the ''Generation 1'' ''Transformers'' with Chinese stickers in the corner are high-quality counterfeits. After all, they look just like the original ''Generation 1'' releases, but with some very small differences and oftentimes slightly inferior plastic quality. Recently, though, it's come out that these were, in fact, [[Generation 1 China (toyline)|re-releases for the Chinese market produced from 1989 through 1995]], not unlike their Chinese ''[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]'' counterparts from around the same period. Ironically, high-quality counterfeit ''Generation 1'' toys from China would eventually come out, but it wouldn't be until 2005, a decade later.

==Recent knockoffs and the movie effect==
Since the release of the [[Transformers (2007)|2007 ''Transformers'' movie]], a flood of bootlegged figures has entered the market, with some movie line figure knockoffs appearing within a month of the official product's debut. The figures range from high-quality clones to ''very'' low-quality copies and strange variations, such as random Generation 1 figures being redone in movie paint decos (usually [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]'s flame scheme or [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee's]] yellow with black stripes).

[[Image:TFA Prime KO.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Hey I'm not the KO, [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|He]] is!]]

A knockoff company recently released a knockoff of ''[[Transformers Animated|Transformers Animated]]'' Voyager Earth-mode [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]], a couple weeks ''before'' the release of the original! The reason this occurred is that Hasbro shelved their already-manufactured ''Animated'' toys for several months in order to extend selling their popular movie line. Thus, finished ''Animated'' toys were able to leak out of factories and into hands of bootleggers long before they were to finally be released.

With the release of the 2009 [[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie line]] various knockoff toys have also emerged. These include oversized versions of the new Scout class molds, redecos of new Deluxe molds and molds from other lines redecoed to more closely resemble new characters (for instance the ''Animated'' Deluxe [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] mold repainted to look like [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]], complete with door detailing).

==External links==
*[http://highendtfs.com/?q=node/17 HighEndTFs' ID Guide for high quality counterfeit Generation 1 Transformers]

*[http://www.actionfigurechecklist.com/Images/Album/index.php?v=list&i=0&p=Transformers_KnockOff_KO Action Figure Checklist's Transformer Knock-Off Photo Album]

*[http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/3230/tfother.html All Things Transformers - Other Transforming Toys]

*[http://mykooltoyz.tripod.com/bootleg-tf.html BOOTLEG TRANSFORMERS]

*[http://cybertronphils.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=toyreview&action=print&thread=4183 Bootleg Center]

*[http://www22.pos.to/~butto/ttot.html Butto's Other Transforming Toys (Japanese)]

*[http://www.netlaputa.ne.jp/~m-akao/GALLERY/fakehp.html Fake Toy Gallery (Japanese)]

*[http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=6&uid=5138952 Hatch's Bootleg Transformers]

*[http://www.geocities.com/kidk0rrupt/frames/bootlegs.htm Kid K0rrupt's Bootleg Gallery]

*[http://www.builtstlouis.net/tf/mmkos/index.html Rob's Pile of Transformers: Micromaster Knockoffs]

*[http://www.tfarchive.com/toys/bootlegs/ TFArchive.com's Bootleg Gallery]

*[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-toy-discussion/191817-knock-off-transformers-thread.html TFW2005 Ongoing Knock-Off Transformers Thread]

*[http://www.toyarchive.com/Transformers/Knockoffs/Genertaion1KnockOffs.html Toyarchive.com's Gallery of Generation 1 Knockoffs]

*[http://zobovor.20megsfree.com/knockoffs_archive.html Zobovor's Knockoff Toys Archive (text)]

*[http://www.geocities.com/scrambledcity/skorbia/index.html SKORBIA-Crazysteve's South Korean Bootleg Information Archive]

==Footnotes==
<references />

[[Category:Toys]]

Talk:Knockoff

2010-01-14T12:55:14Z

Chipmonk328: /* Space Warriors: Beast Tech Fighters */

Knockoff

2010-01-14T12:52:29Z

Chipmonk328: /* Knockoff companies */

[[Image:Bootleg.jpg|right|273px|thumb|Super Combination Robot B/O 17-in-1. One just sold for $350 on Ebay. Feel free to throw up in your mouth a little.]]
A '''knockoff''' is a product similar or identical to a product of one company, but made by another without the authorization of the original maker. In the ''Transformers'' fandom, the term is commonly abbreviated '''KO'''. The term '''bootleg''' is also sometimes used as a synonym.

==What's a knockoff?==
Not all transforming robots from makers other than [[Hasbro]], [[TakaraTomy]], [[Bandai]], or other major toy makers are knockoffs, but those toys which wholly or partly duplicate pre-existing designs are well-qualified for the term. The term is also applied by fans, however, to some robots whose design was entirely original with the manufacturer, if said manufacturer is commonly associated with knockoffs, or if this maker's products are often sold in company with knockoffs.

Whether an original design, modified, or slavishly copied, knockoffs are often cheaper than the products of major toymakers. However, the quality of knockoffs is often poorer than that of the originals, including bad plastic quality, bad sticker application, and bad paint applications. Odd colors, excess chrome, resizings, and modifications are common. The world of knockoffs is a strange land of gigantic chromed swords, Gundam/[[Brave]] card art, and wacky packaging translations.

==Legal analysis of knockoffs==
Despite myths to the contrary, most ''Transformers'' knockoffs are illegal. In HASBRO BRADLEY, INC. v. SPARKLE TOYS, INC., 780 F.2d 189 (2nd Cir. 1985), the Second Circuit granted an injunction on Sparkle Toys' Jumpstarter knockoffs, where Hasbro showed a likelihood of success for infringement of their copyright in the Jumpstarters toys.<ref>[http://www.law.cornell.edu/copyright/cases/780_F2d_189.htm http://www.law.cornell.edu/copyright/cases/780_F2d_189.htm]</ref> For those not law literate, this basically means that (A) Hasbro held a valid copyright in the Jumpstarters, and (B) Hasbro had a strong enough case that this would have gone to a jury, which would ultimately decide whether there was infringement.

Although Hasbro and Takara's design patents on ''Transformers'' toys expire after 14 years from issuance, their copyright in ''Transformers'' toys lasts for 95 years from publication, i.e., sale to the public. Thus, while the design patents on some ''Transformers'' toys have expired, the copyright protection on all ''Transformers'' toys is still in effect. For useful articles, such as a reconfigurable toy, copyright protects only those expressive elements that are separable from the function. While a transformation is probably not protectable because it is functional, the overall look of the robot or alternate mode is protectable. Thus, while a heavily remolded knockoff that only retains the transformation of the original toy may avoid infringement, a toy that is only resized or is only painted in different colors would infringe Hasbro and Takara's copyright regardless of the slight modification.

==Availability of knockoffs==
Through most of the 1990s, knockoffs were relatively difficult to find in the West. Many fans had luck finding them at flea markets, hole-in-the-wall non-chain toy stores, or discount stores like [[Big Lots]]!. Some knockoff transforming robot toys did show up in chain toy stores, such as the Convert-A-Bots [[Sky Garry (G1)|Sky Garry]] and Tek Toys ''Voltron'' I—both widely available at Toys R Us—but they were few and far between.

In the 2000s, knockoffs became more accessible. The Kidi Toys gestalt knockoffs were widely available at Family Dollar and [[Kay Bee]] Toy Liquidator stores, and saturated [[eBay]]. Happy Well knockoffs took up shelf space next to Transformers Armada toys at [[Wal-Mart]]. And of course, the realistic counterfeit G1 toys also are widely available on eBay from any number of different sellers.

==Hasbro's intervention (or lack thereof)==
To date, Hasbro apparently has taken few actions against knockoff manufacturers. Only a couple of cases exist from the 1980s in which Hasbro shut down a ''Transformers'' knockoff operation, and no such cases exist from the 1990s onward. Hasbro's ''Transformers'' design director [[Aaron Archer]] was once quoted as making a comment at [[BotCon]] implying that Hasbro was unconcerned with knockoffs.{{fact}} Strangely, Hasbro recently contacted small online toy store AgesThreeAndUp and told them to take down their knockoff listings. At [[BotCon 2008]], [[Greg Lombardo]] read an official Hasbro policy discouraging fans from purchasing knockoffs--even in the main dealer room just a few yards away--and vaguely threatening future legal action against their producers. Recently, eBay began taking down auctions for knockoff Transformers, but it's unclear whether this was Hasbro's doing or not.

==Knockoff companies==
Certain knockoff companies have earned reputations via their rather distinctive ways of altering the original product:

* Four Star - Known during the 1980s for taking any number of ''[[Diaclone]]''-descendant [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] molds and making massive [[Retool|retools]] of them, usually changing 75% of the mold or more. They are especially known for "Mr. Hardhat", a [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] bootleg that is made up of six entirely changed [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] that combine in an entirely different way. The fully combined form uses [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]'s head.

* Tek Toys - A North American company that appeared in the early to mid-1990s and did business almost exclusively through Toys "R" Us. They pioneered the combination card/windowless box design used by many, many bootlegs to this day. Tek Toys also used a distinctively plain graphics style on their packaging, eschewing the usual random ''Gundam'' and ''Generation 1'' graphics for new airbrushed art or, surprising for a knockoff company, CGI models, almost always against a plain white background. Tek Toys also worked in extremes, either having recolored copies of existing figures or all new original figures that may or may not have been procured from smaller Asian companies (often times Leader Shine). In a bold move, Tek Toys had their office address printed on later boxes. Their new box graphics are still recycled by other knockoff companies to this day.

[[Image:JBootleg.jpg|right|180px|thumb|On your knees, Jumpstarters! Kneel before your living GOD!]]
* Leader Shine (AKA Champion Crown) - Known during the 1990s for bootlegging the living hell out of the [[Jumpstarter]] molds, producing clones, minor retools, major retools, and almost unrecognizable retools. They also produce "original" toys whose transformation schemes are derived from either ''Transformers'', the ''Brave'' series, and ''Power Rangers''. They still release new and varied Jumpstarters to this day. Leader Shine is also responsible for the very ''Godzilla''-themed knockoff of [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] that reappears every few years. They also have an amusing habit of putting "Pat. P." (Patent Pending) on almost all of their packages in spite of whether their product is a direct copy or completely changed. It is not known how many, if any, patents Leader Shine actually holds.

* Happy Well - Currently the most well known knockoff company, Happy Well was bold enough to strike a contract with Wal*Mart, CVS Pharmacies, and Walgreen's, making them possibly the first company to have a knockoff "name brand", namely the "Galaxy Defender" series. Happy Well uses relatively high-quality materials, and most of their products are boxed. Some even come with sticker sheets and [[die-cast]] parts. Their "Roadbots" line is the only direct competitor to the ''[[Alternators]]'' line of licensed scale transforming cars.

* Zhong Jin, aka Playcenter<ref>Zhong Jin/Playcenter was first identified as the manufacturer of the knockoffs in September 2007, when fans noticed pictures of most of the current counterfeit G1 knockoffs on their [http://china.alibaba.com/company/detail/playcenter.html Alibaba supplier website], including then-upcoming counterfeits like Warpath. Apparently aware of this, Zhong Jin took down images of all their counterfeit Transformers from the website in October or November.</ref> - The first and primary manufacturer of the high-quality counterfeit ''Generation 1'' knockoffs. Zhong Jin has been making their counterfeit Transformers since 2005, starting with Beachcomber, but in 2007 began greatly increasing their range of counterfeit ''Generation 1'' knockoffs, which now includes [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], many [[Minibot|minibots]], several Decepticon cassette 2-packs, almost all the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]],several Autobot cars, Devastator, and [[Gnaw]]. They have also done many plastic/paint variants of their knockoffs, including many clear plastic versions.

* Kidi Toys<ref>[http://www.toysghost.cn Kidi Toys' web site]</ref> - Perhaps best known as the manufacturer of the many low-quality ''Generation 1'' gestalt gift sets. Following Zhong Jin's lead, they recently began producing realistic counterfeit ''Generation 1'' knockoffs. So far, they have created knockoffs of [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] and [[Metrotitan (G1)|Metrotitan]], both of which come in a Metroplex box. They both can be distinguished from the originals because of slightly different plastic colors. Among their other notable knockoffs are [[Alternator]] figures with new or copied paint schemes of reasonable quality.

* Citi Toys - Based in Thailand, the same company that was producing toys for McDonald's Happy Meals was also producing knockoffs of transforming robots, albeit mostly ''Brave'' and ''Power Rangers''. After news leaked out that they used child labor, new knockoffs with their "CT" logo stopped appearing, which suggests that the child labor scandal caused them to shut down.

*Agglo is a Hong Kong based Toy Company that produces Beast Wars knockoffs in the form of a toyline referred to as "Space warriors: Transformable Beast-Tech Fighters. Among them, Transmetal 2 Megatron, A repaint of Transmetal 2 Megatron, Transmetal Rattrap,RID Megatron, Beast Machines Optimus Primal (but this one is more accurate to the show than the real toy ironically), Leo Convoy, Heinrad, Armordillo, BW Sonar, Transmetal 2 Spittor, Scarem and some others as well.

==Countries that produce or once produced knockoffs==
Most knockoffs originate outside of North America and Europe. Although most knockoff-producing countries have joined the Berne Convention and have thus obligated themselves to protect the copyrights of other countries, lax enforcement has allowed manufacturers in many foreign countries, such as China, to continue to produce knockoffs. However, manufacturers in other countries like South Korea, which was once a huge source of knockoff ''Transformers'', have in the last decade made efforts to legitimize themselves by buying the rights to produce official Korean versions of the toys they had long been copying.

[[Image:SENDTHEBOOKS.jpg|right|180px|thumb|SEND THE BOOKS!]]
* China -- The main source of the world's Transformers knockoffs and notorious for their use of gigantic blister cards. Although they are typically low quality, such as the combiner gift sets produced by Kiddi Toys, it is also the home of Playcenter, the high quality counterfeit ''Generation 1'' toy manufacturer. China has signed the Berne Convention obligating them to protect foreign copyrights, and has enacted legislation to do so, but their enforcement remains at a pitifully weak level.

* South Korea -- Was once a hotbed of Transformers knockoff activity. It was not uncommon in South Korea for there to even be [[Phoenix King|animated series]] that incorporated multiple knocked-off properties, such as [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] fighting a Gundam or any other number of famous characters. Hilariously, "Gundam" was so embedded in the South Korean public psyche as a synonym for "giant robot" via these different bootleg outlets that the ''Gundam'' property owner Sunrise's attempts to trademark the word were entirely rejected by the courts<ref>[http://www.comipress.com/article/2006/10/28/938 http://www.comipress.com/article/2006/10/28/938] Gundam and Giant Robots in South Korea</ref>. Some Korean knockoff manufacturers took great liberties with Transformers molds, such as significantly increasing their size[http://www.geocities.com/scrambledcity/skorbia/skorbydestrong.html], and/or retooling their alt modes to resemble completely different vehicles.[http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=17850203&uid=5138952] South Korea is known for such knockoffs as oversized Combaticons, Overlord with Starsaber's face, multiple Power Master Optimus cab knockoffs, and the white Oversized ''Generation 2'' Optimus Prime (the legitimacy of which has been debated). Since the mid-/late-1990s, South Korea has begun enforcing foreign copyrights and is no longer a major source of knockoff Transformers toys.

* Taiwan -- Known for knockoffs with a lot of English text on them and higher quality than Chinese knockoffs. Many Taiwanese knockoffs found their way into Italy in the 1980s and 1990s and can often be spotted on Italian eBay. Gig, the official ''Transformers'' licensee in Italy, even imported a Taiwanese knockoff [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. Like South Korea, Taiwan is no longer a major source of knockoffs.

==Transitional companies==
[[Image:AlphaBaseRobot.jpg|left|180px|thumb|Oh, hi. I cost more than a MISB G1 Overlord. Want to touch me?]]
[[Image:TrendmastersMasterbotix.jpg|right|180px|thumb|AND I'LL FORM THE HE—oh, wait.]]
Although remarkably rare, some knockoff companies eventually venture into legitimate toy design territory. One such example is Trendmasters, which started out as a knockoff manufacturer before eventually legally securing the [[wikipedia:Voltron|''Voltron'']] license. It is possible that Happy Well might also follow this lead, given their success with the original Roadbots figures and subsequent shift away from their bootleg roots.

Another such company was Korean knockoff manufacturer Academy. Academy is known for releasing the Overlord knockoff with Star Saber's head as well as the huge, up-sized ''Gundam'' Cloth MK-II. In the world of plastic scale models, they were also known for producing low-quality knockoffs of Japanese manufacturer Tamiya's kits with copied box art. Academy has since gone legit, legally acquiring such licenses as ''Gundam'', ''Naruto'', ''Tom and Jerry'', and ''Zoids''.<ref>[http://www.academy.co.kr/character/index.html http://www.academy.co.kr/character/index.html]</ref>

==High quality ''Generation 1'' counterfeits==
Starting around 2005, high quality ''Generation 1'' knockoffs began to appear on eBay. Originating from a company called Zhong Jin in China, both the packaging and toy of the knockoffs look nearly identical to the original. Unlike normal knockoffs, these sell for remarkably high prices. Since 2005, many counterfeit ''Generation 1'' products have surfaced from Zhong Jin, including Optimus Prime, minibots, cassettes, Autobot cars, Devastator, Dinobots, and Gnaw. Zhong Jin also has produced many color and plastic variants of their knockoffs, such as translucent versions, which were never previously released (and some of which that were, like Jafcon Black Optimus Prime).

Recently a second knockoff company, Kidi Toys, has begun producing high quality ''Generation 1'' counterfeits as well, starting with Metroplex and Metrotitan. Fans of the knockoffs have complained that the box quality on these two releases is not as high as Zhong Jin's knockoffs and the color of the plastic is off. On the other hand, these knockoffs are much cheaper than the Zhong Jin counterfeits, and priced on par with Takaratomy reissues.

The counterfeit ''Generation 1'' toys remain extremely controversial because they are virtually indistinguishable from the originals. This situation raises concerns about unscrupulous dealers selling bootlegs as genuine articles and scrupulous ones unknowingly doing the same.

Counterfeit ''Generation 1'' parts, stickers, and boxes have appeared from Zhong Jin as well, including many that have not had a corresponding whole knockoff released, including [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] boxes and [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] sticker sheets.

The counterfeit ''Generation 1'' toys are often confused with the legitimate [[Chinese-made G1 toys|Hasbro-made re-releases for the Chinese market produced from 1989 through 1995]]. (See below.)

==Myths about knockoffs==
Over the years, there have been a lot of widespread myths about knockoffs. Perhaps the most preposterous myth is that knockoffs are legal. See the Legal Analysis section above for why this theory is incorrect. Although few proponents of this theory exist, those that do claim vigorously that the presence of knockoffs on Family Dollar or Wal-Mart's shelves means that those products must be legitimate. The flaw in the reasoning here is that it assumes big chain stores would never do anything ignorantly or illegally, which is certainly [http://www.google.com/search?q=walmart+lawsuit not the case].

One long-held myth among fans (due to a general lack of information), is that the ''Generation 1'' ''Transformers'' with Chinese stickers in the corner are high-quality counterfeits. After all, they look just like the original ''Generation 1'' releases, but with some very small differences and oftentimes slightly inferior plastic quality. Recently, though, it's come out that these were, in fact, [[Generation 1 China (toyline)|re-releases for the Chinese market produced from 1989 through 1995]], not unlike their Chinese ''[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]'' counterparts from around the same period. Ironically, high-quality counterfeit ''Generation 1'' toys from China would eventually come out, but it wouldn't be until 2005, a decade later.

==Recent knockoffs and the movie effect==
Since the release of the [[Transformers (2007)|2007 ''Transformers'' movie]], a flood of bootlegged figures has entered the market, with some movie line figure knockoffs appearing within a month of the official product's debut. The figures range from high-quality clones to ''very'' low-quality copies and strange variations, such as random Generation 1 figures being redone in movie paint decos (usually [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]'s flame scheme or [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee's]] yellow with black stripes).

[[Image:TFA Prime KO.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Hey I'm not the KO, [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|He]] is!]]

A knockoff company recently released a knockoff of ''[[Transformers Animated|Transformers Animated]]'' Voyager Earth-mode [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]], a couple weeks ''before'' the release of the original! The reason this occurred is that Hasbro shelved their already-manufactured ''Animated'' toys for several months in order to extend selling their popular movie line. Thus, finished ''Animated'' toys were able to leak out of factories and into hands of bootleggers long before they were to finally be released.

With the release of the 2009 [[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie line]] various knockoff toys have also emerged. These include oversized versions of the new Scout class molds, redecos of new Deluxe molds and molds from other lines redecoed to more closely resemble new characters (for instance the ''Animated'' Deluxe [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] mold repainted to look like [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]], complete with door detailing).

==External links==
*[http://highendtfs.com/?q=node/17 HighEndTFs' ID Guide for high quality counterfeit Generation 1 Transformers]

*[http://www.actionfigurechecklist.com/Images/Album/index.php?v=list&i=0&p=Transformers_KnockOff_KO Action Figure Checklist's Transformer Knock-Off Photo Album]

*[http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/3230/tfother.html All Things Transformers - Other Transforming Toys]

*[http://mykooltoyz.tripod.com/bootleg-tf.html BOOTLEG TRANSFORMERS]

*[http://cybertronphils.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=toyreview&action=print&thread=4183 Bootleg Center]

*[http://www22.pos.to/~butto/ttot.html Butto's Other Transforming Toys (Japanese)]

*[http://www.netlaputa.ne.jp/~m-akao/GALLERY/fakehp.html Fake Toy Gallery (Japanese)]

*[http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=6&uid=5138952 Hatch's Bootleg Transformers]

*[http://www.geocities.com/kidk0rrupt/frames/bootlegs.htm Kid K0rrupt's Bootleg Gallery]

*[http://www.builtstlouis.net/tf/mmkos/index.html Rob's Pile of Transformers: Micromaster Knockoffs]

*[http://www.tfarchive.com/toys/bootlegs/ TFArchive.com's Bootleg Gallery]

*[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-toy-discussion/191817-knock-off-transformers-thread.html TFW2005 Ongoing Knock-Off Transformers Thread]

*[http://www.toyarchive.com/Transformers/Knockoffs/Genertaion1KnockOffs.html Toyarchive.com's Gallery of Generation 1 Knockoffs]

*[http://zobovor.20megsfree.com/knockoffs_archive.html Zobovor's Knockoff Toys Archive (text)]

*[http://www.geocities.com/scrambledcity/skorbia/index.html SKORBIA-Crazysteve's South Korean Bootleg Information Archive]

==Footnotes==
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[[Category:Toys]]

Talk:Knockoff

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Chipmonk328: /* Space Warriors: Beast Tech Fighters */

Knockoff

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[[Image:Bootleg.jpg|right|273px|thumb|Super Combination Robot B/O 17-in-1. One just sold for $350 on Ebay. Feel free to throw up in your mouth a little.]]
A '''knockoff''' is a product similar or identical to a product of one company, but made by another without the authorization of the original maker. In the ''Transformers'' fandom, the term is commonly abbreviated '''KO'''. The term '''bootleg''' is also sometimes used as a synonym.

==What's a knockoff?==
Not all transforming robots from makers other than [[Hasbro]], [[TakaraTomy]], [[Bandai]], or other major toy makers are knockoffs, but those toys which wholly or partly duplicate pre-existing designs are well-qualified for the term. The term is also applied by fans, however, to some robots whose design was entirely original with the manufacturer, if said manufacturer is commonly associated with knockoffs, or if this maker's products are often sold in company with knockoffs.

Whether an original design, modified, or slavishly copied, knockoffs are often cheaper than the products of major toymakers. However, the quality of knockoffs is often poorer than that of the originals, including bad plastic quality, bad sticker application, and bad paint applications. Odd colors, excess chrome, resizings, and modifications are common. The world of knockoffs is a strange land of gigantic chromed swords, Gundam/[[Brave]] card art, and wacky packaging translations.

==Legal analysis of knockoffs==
Despite myths to the contrary, most ''Transformers'' knockoffs are illegal. In HASBRO BRADLEY, INC. v. SPARKLE TOYS, INC., 780 F.2d 189 (2nd Cir. 1985), the Second Circuit granted an injunction on Sparkle Toys' Jumpstarter knockoffs, where Hasbro showed a likelihood of success for infringement of their copyright in the Jumpstarters toys.<ref>[http://www.law.cornell.edu/copyright/cases/780_F2d_189.htm http://www.law.cornell.edu/copyright/cases/780_F2d_189.htm]</ref> For those not law literate, this basically means that (A) Hasbro held a valid copyright in the Jumpstarters, and (B) Hasbro had a strong enough case that this would have gone to a jury, which would ultimately decide whether there was infringement.

Although Hasbro and Takara's design patents on ''Transformers'' toys expire after 14 years from issuance, their copyright in ''Transformers'' toys lasts for 95 years from publication, i.e., sale to the public. Thus, while the design patents on some ''Transformers'' toys have expired, the copyright protection on all ''Transformers'' toys is still in effect. For useful articles, such as a reconfigurable toy, copyright protects only those expressive elements that are separable from the function. While a transformation is probably not protectable because it is functional, the overall look of the robot or alternate mode is protectable. Thus, while a heavily remolded knockoff that only retains the transformation of the original toy may avoid infringement, a toy that is only resized or is only painted in different colors would infringe Hasbro and Takara's copyright regardless of the slight modification.

==Availability of knockoffs==
Through most of the 1990s, knockoffs were relatively difficult to find in the West. Many fans had luck finding them at flea markets, hole-in-the-wall non-chain toy stores, or discount stores like [[Big Lots]]!. Some knockoff transforming robot toys did show up in chain toy stores, such as the Convert-A-Bots [[Sky Garry (G1)|Sky Garry]] and Tek Toys ''Voltron'' I—both widely available at Toys R Us—but they were few and far between.

In the 2000s, knockoffs became more accessible. The Kidi Toys gestalt knockoffs were widely available at Family Dollar and [[Kay Bee]] Toy Liquidator stores, and saturated [[eBay]]. Happy Well knockoffs took up shelf space next to Transformers Armada toys at [[Wal-Mart]]. And of course, the realistic counterfeit G1 toys also are widely available on eBay from any number of different sellers.

==Hasbro's intervention (or lack thereof)==
To date, Hasbro apparently has taken few actions against knockoff manufacturers. Only a couple of cases exist from the 1980s in which Hasbro shut down a ''Transformers'' knockoff operation, and no such cases exist from the 1990s onward. Hasbro's ''Transformers'' design director [[Aaron Archer]] was once quoted as making a comment at [[BotCon]] implying that Hasbro was unconcerned with knockoffs.{{fact}} Strangely, Hasbro recently contacted small online toy store AgesThreeAndUp and told them to take down their knockoff listings. At [[BotCon 2008]], [[Greg Lombardo]] read an official Hasbro policy discouraging fans from purchasing knockoffs--even in the main dealer room just a few yards away--and vaguely threatening future legal action against their producers. Recently, eBay began taking down auctions for knockoff Transformers, but it's unclear whether this was Hasbro's doing or not.

==Knockoff companies==
Certain knockoff companies have earned reputations via their rather distinctive ways of altering the original product:

* Four Star - Known during the 1980s for taking any number of ''[[Diaclone]]''-descendant [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] molds and making massive [[Retool|retools]] of them, usually changing 75% of the mold or more. They are especially known for "Mr. Hardhat", a [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] bootleg that is made up of six entirely changed [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] that combine in an entirely different way. The fully combined form uses [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]'s head.

* Tek Toys - A North American company that appeared in the early to mid-1990s and did business almost exclusively through Toys "R" Us. They pioneered the combination card/windowless box design used by many, many bootlegs to this day. Tek Toys also used a distinctively plain graphics style on their packaging, eschewing the usual random ''Gundam'' and ''Generation 1'' graphics for new airbrushed art or, surprising for a knockoff company, CGI models, almost always against a plain white background. Tek Toys also worked in extremes, either having recolored copies of existing figures or all new original figures that may or may not have been procured from smaller Asian companies (often times Leader Shine). In a bold move, Tek Toys had their office address printed on later boxes. Their new box graphics are still recycled by other knockoff companies to this day.

[[Image:JBootleg.jpg|right|180px|thumb|On your knees, Jumpstarters! Kneel before your living GOD!]]
* Leader Shine (AKA Champion Crown) - Known during the 1990s for bootlegging the living hell out of the [[Jumpstarter]] molds, producing clones, minor retools, major retools, and almost unrecognizable retools. They also produce "original" toys whose transformation schemes are derived from either ''Transformers'', the ''Brave'' series, and ''Power Rangers''. They still release new and varied Jumpstarters to this day. Leader Shine is also responsible for the very ''Godzilla''-themed knockoff of [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] that reappears every few years. They also have an amusing habit of putting "Pat. P." (Patent Pending) on almost all of their packages in spite of whether their product is a direct copy or completely changed. It is not known how many, if any, patents Leader Shine actually holds.

* Happy Well - Currently the most well known knockoff company, Happy Well was bold enough to strike a contract with Wal*Mart, CVS Pharmacies, and Walgreen's, making them possibly the first company to have a knockoff "name brand", namely the "Galaxy Defender" series. Happy Well uses relatively high-quality materials, and most of their products are boxed. Some even come with sticker sheets and [[die-cast]] parts. Their "Roadbots" line is the only direct competitor to the ''[[Alternators]]'' line of licensed scale transforming cars.

* Zhong Jin, aka Playcenter<ref>Zhong Jin/Playcenter was first identified as the manufacturer of the knockoffs in September 2007, when fans noticed pictures of most of the current counterfeit G1 knockoffs on their [http://china.alibaba.com/company/detail/playcenter.html Alibaba supplier website], including then-upcoming counterfeits like Warpath. Apparently aware of this, Zhong Jin took down images of all their counterfeit Transformers from the website in October or November.</ref> - The first and primary manufacturer of the high-quality counterfeit ''Generation 1'' knockoffs. Zhong Jin has been making their counterfeit Transformers since 2005, starting with Beachcomber, but in 2007 began greatly increasing their range of counterfeit ''Generation 1'' knockoffs, which now includes [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], many [[Minibot|minibots]], several Decepticon cassette 2-packs, almost all the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]],several Autobot cars, Devastator, and [[Gnaw]]. They have also done many plastic/paint variants of their knockoffs, including many clear plastic versions.

* Kidi Toys<ref>[http://www.toysghost.cn Kidi Toys' web site]</ref> - Perhaps best known as the manufacturer of the many low-quality ''Generation 1'' gestalt gift sets. Following Zhong Jin's lead, they recently began producing realistic counterfeit ''Generation 1'' knockoffs. So far, they have created knockoffs of [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] and [[Metrotitan (G1)|Metrotitan]], both of which come in a Metroplex box. They both can be distinguished from the originals because of slightly different plastic colors. Among their other notable knockoffs are [[Alternator]] figures with new or copied paint schemes of reasonable quality.

* Citi Toys - Based in Thailand, the same company that was producing toys for McDonald's Happy Meals was also producing knockoffs of transforming robots, albeit mostly ''Brave'' and ''Power Rangers''. After news leaked out that they used child labor, new knockoffs with their "CT" logo stopped appearing, which suggests that the child labor scandal caused them to shut down.

*Agglo is a Hong Kong based Toy Company that produces Beast Wars knockoffs in the form of a toyline referred to as "Space warriors: Transformerable Beast-Tech Fighters. Among them, Transmetal 2 Megatron, A repaint of Transmetal 2 Megatron, Transmetal Rattrap,RID Megatron, Beast Machines Optimus Primal (but this one is more accurate to the show than the real toy ironically), Leo Convoy, Heinrad, Armordillo, BW Sonar, Transmetal 2 Spittor, Scarem and some others as well.

==Countries that produce or once produced knockoffs==
Most knockoffs originate outside of North America and Europe. Although most knockoff-producing countries have joined the Berne Convention and have thus obligated themselves to protect the copyrights of other countries, lax enforcement has allowed manufacturers in many foreign countries, such as China, to continue to produce knockoffs. However, manufacturers in other countries like South Korea, which was once a huge source of knockoff ''Transformers'', have in the last decade made efforts to legitimize themselves by buying the rights to produce official Korean versions of the toys they had long been copying.

[[Image:SENDTHEBOOKS.jpg|right|180px|thumb|SEND THE BOOKS!]]
* China -- The main source of the world's Transformers knockoffs and notorious for their use of gigantic blister cards. Although they are typically low quality, such as the combiner gift sets produced by Kiddi Toys, it is also the home of Playcenter, the high quality counterfeit ''Generation 1'' toy manufacturer. China has signed the Berne Convention obligating them to protect foreign copyrights, and has enacted legislation to do so, but their enforcement remains at a pitifully weak level.

* South Korea -- Was once a hotbed of Transformers knockoff activity. It was not uncommon in South Korea for there to even be [[Phoenix King|animated series]] that incorporated multiple knocked-off properties, such as [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] fighting a Gundam or any other number of famous characters. Hilariously, "Gundam" was so embedded in the South Korean public psyche as a synonym for "giant robot" via these different bootleg outlets that the ''Gundam'' property owner Sunrise's attempts to trademark the word were entirely rejected by the courts<ref>[http://www.comipress.com/article/2006/10/28/938 http://www.comipress.com/article/2006/10/28/938] Gundam and Giant Robots in South Korea</ref>. Some Korean knockoff manufacturers took great liberties with Transformers molds, such as significantly increasing their size[http://www.geocities.com/scrambledcity/skorbia/skorbydestrong.html], and/or retooling their alt modes to resemble completely different vehicles.[http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=17850203&uid=5138952] South Korea is known for such knockoffs as oversized Combaticons, Overlord with Starsaber's face, multiple Power Master Optimus cab knockoffs, and the white Oversized ''Generation 2'' Optimus Prime (the legitimacy of which has been debated). Since the mid-/late-1990s, South Korea has begun enforcing foreign copyrights and is no longer a major source of knockoff Transformers toys.

* Taiwan -- Known for knockoffs with a lot of English text on them and higher quality than Chinese knockoffs. Many Taiwanese knockoffs found their way into Italy in the 1980s and 1990s and can often be spotted on Italian eBay. Gig, the official ''Transformers'' licensee in Italy, even imported a Taiwanese knockoff [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. Like South Korea, Taiwan is no longer a major source of knockoffs.

==Transitional companies==
[[Image:AlphaBaseRobot.jpg|left|180px|thumb|Oh, hi. I cost more than a MISB G1 Overlord. Want to touch me?]]
[[Image:TrendmastersMasterbotix.jpg|right|180px|thumb|AND I'LL FORM THE HE—oh, wait.]]
Although remarkably rare, some knockoff companies eventually venture into legitimate toy design territory. One such example is Trendmasters, which started out as a knockoff manufacturer before eventually legally securing the [[wikipedia:Voltron|''Voltron'']] license. It is possible that Happy Well might also follow this lead, given their success with the original Roadbots figures and subsequent shift away from their bootleg roots.

Another such company was Korean knockoff manufacturer Academy. Academy is known for releasing the Overlord knockoff with Star Saber's head as well as the huge, up-sized ''Gundam'' Cloth MK-II. In the world of plastic scale models, they were also known for producing low-quality knockoffs of Japanese manufacturer Tamiya's kits with copied box art. Academy has since gone legit, legally acquiring such licenses as ''Gundam'', ''Naruto'', ''Tom and Jerry'', and ''Zoids''.<ref>[http://www.academy.co.kr/character/index.html http://www.academy.co.kr/character/index.html]</ref>

==High quality ''Generation 1'' counterfeits==
Starting around 2005, high quality ''Generation 1'' knockoffs began to appear on eBay. Originating from a company called Zhong Jin in China, both the packaging and toy of the knockoffs look nearly identical to the original. Unlike normal knockoffs, these sell for remarkably high prices. Since 2005, many counterfeit ''Generation 1'' products have surfaced from Zhong Jin, including Optimus Prime, minibots, cassettes, Autobot cars, Devastator, Dinobots, and Gnaw. Zhong Jin also has produced many color and plastic variants of their knockoffs, such as translucent versions, which were never previously released (and some of which that were, like Jafcon Black Optimus Prime).

Recently a second knockoff company, Kidi Toys, has begun producing high quality ''Generation 1'' counterfeits as well, starting with Metroplex and Metrotitan. Fans of the knockoffs have complained that the box quality on these two releases is not as high as Zhong Jin's knockoffs and the color of the plastic is off. On the other hand, these knockoffs are much cheaper than the Zhong Jin counterfeits, and priced on par with Takaratomy reissues.

The counterfeit ''Generation 1'' toys remain extremely controversial because they are virtually indistinguishable from the originals. This situation raises concerns about unscrupulous dealers selling bootlegs as genuine articles and scrupulous ones unknowingly doing the same.

Counterfeit ''Generation 1'' parts, stickers, and boxes have appeared from Zhong Jin as well, including many that have not had a corresponding whole knockoff released, including [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] boxes and [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] sticker sheets.

The counterfeit ''Generation 1'' toys are often confused with the legitimate [[Chinese-made G1 toys|Hasbro-made re-releases for the Chinese market produced from 1989 through 1995]]. (See below.)

==Myths about knockoffs==
Over the years, there have been a lot of widespread myths about knockoffs. Perhaps the most preposterous myth is that knockoffs are legal. See the Legal Analysis section above for why this theory is incorrect. Although few proponents of this theory exist, those that do claim vigorously that the presence of knockoffs on Family Dollar or Wal-Mart's shelves means that those products must be legitimate. The flaw in the reasoning here is that it assumes big chain stores would never do anything ignorantly or illegally, which is certainly [http://www.google.com/search?q=walmart+lawsuit not the case].

One long-held myth among fans (due to a general lack of information), is that the ''Generation 1'' ''Transformers'' with Chinese stickers in the corner are high-quality counterfeits. After all, they look just like the original ''Generation 1'' releases, but with some very small differences and oftentimes slightly inferior plastic quality. Recently, though, it's come out that these were, in fact, [[Generation 1 China (toyline)|re-releases for the Chinese market produced from 1989 through 1995]], not unlike their Chinese ''[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]'' counterparts from around the same period. Ironically, high-quality counterfeit ''Generation 1'' toys from China would eventually come out, but it wouldn't be until 2005, a decade later.

==Recent knockoffs and the movie effect==
Since the release of the [[Transformers (2007)|2007 ''Transformers'' movie]], a flood of bootlegged figures has entered the market, with some movie line figure knockoffs appearing within a month of the official product's debut. The figures range from high-quality clones to ''very'' low-quality copies and strange variations, such as random Generation 1 figures being redone in movie paint decos (usually [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]'s flame scheme or [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee's]] yellow with black stripes).

[[Image:TFA Prime KO.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Hey I'm not the KO, [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|He]] is!]]

A knockoff company recently released a knockoff of ''[[Transformers Animated|Transformers Animated]]'' Voyager Earth-mode [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]], a couple weeks ''before'' the release of the original! The reason this occurred is that Hasbro shelved their already-manufactured ''Animated'' toys for several months in order to extend selling their popular movie line. Thus, finished ''Animated'' toys were able to leak out of factories and into hands of bootleggers long before they were to finally be released.

With the release of the 2009 [[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie line]] various knockoff toys have also emerged. These include oversized versions of the new Scout class molds, redecos of new Deluxe molds and molds from other lines redecoed to more closely resemble new characters (for instance the ''Animated'' Deluxe [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] mold repainted to look like [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]], complete with door detailing).

==External links==
*[http://highendtfs.com/?q=node/17 HighEndTFs' ID Guide for high quality counterfeit Generation 1 Transformers]

*[http://www.actionfigurechecklist.com/Images/Album/index.php?v=list&i=0&p=Transformers_KnockOff_KO Action Figure Checklist's Transformer Knock-Off Photo Album]

*[http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/3230/tfother.html All Things Transformers - Other Transforming Toys]

*[http://mykooltoyz.tripod.com/bootleg-tf.html BOOTLEG TRANSFORMERS]

*[http://cybertronphils.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=toyreview&action=print&thread=4183 Bootleg Center]

*[http://www22.pos.to/~butto/ttot.html Butto's Other Transforming Toys (Japanese)]

*[http://www.netlaputa.ne.jp/~m-akao/GALLERY/fakehp.html Fake Toy Gallery (Japanese)]

*[http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=6&uid=5138952 Hatch's Bootleg Transformers]

*[http://www.geocities.com/kidk0rrupt/frames/bootlegs.htm Kid K0rrupt's Bootleg Gallery]

*[http://www.builtstlouis.net/tf/mmkos/index.html Rob's Pile of Transformers: Micromaster Knockoffs]

*[http://www.tfarchive.com/toys/bootlegs/ TFArchive.com's Bootleg Gallery]

*[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-toy-discussion/191817-knock-off-transformers-thread.html TFW2005 Ongoing Knock-Off Transformers Thread]

*[http://www.toyarchive.com/Transformers/Knockoffs/Genertaion1KnockOffs.html Toyarchive.com's Gallery of Generation 1 Knockoffs]

*[http://zobovor.20megsfree.com/knockoffs_archive.html Zobovor's Knockoff Toys Archive (text)]

*[http://www.geocities.com/scrambledcity/skorbia/index.html SKORBIA-Crazysteve's South Korean Bootleg Information Archive]

==Footnotes==
<references />

[[Category:Toys]]

A Bridge Too Close, Part I

2010-01-14T12:27:42Z

Chipmonk328: /* Notes */ Whomever had that note about Megatron and Grammar is an idiot. Also added mentioned the foreshadowing.

{{episode|
|series=Anitoon
|ep=28
|image=TFA ABTC1 Space Bridge operational.JPG
|caption=Closer... closer...
|title="A Bridge Too Close, Part I"
|airdate=[[June 28]], 2008
|written by=[[Marsha Griffin]]
|directed by=[[Ben Jones]] [[Christopher Berkeley]] [[Shunji Ōga|Shunji Oga]]
|animation studio=[[The Answer Studio]]
}}

'''The Decepticons kidnap Bulkhead to aid in Megatron's ultimate plan to take over Cybertron.'''
:''German title:'' "'''Die Weltraumbrücke, Teil 1'''" ("The Spacebridge, Part 1")
:''Polish title:'' "'''O Jeden Most Za Blisko, Część 1'''" ("A Bridge Too Close, Part 1")

==Synopsis==
[[Image:Megatron branding.jpg|thumb|left|"Can't you just paint the insignia on our chest?" "Now, where's the fun in that?"]]

Now serving under [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]], the [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicons]] have completed construction of the villain’s [[space bridge]]. They are rewarded for their efforts by being officially inducted into the [[Decepticon]] army in a small ceremony led by Megatron, with [[Lugnut]] and [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] serving as witnesses (and, for some reason, holding candles). After the Constructicons have recited the oath of allegiance, Megatron [[branding|brands]] them, quite literally, with a [[Redeco|color-change]] for their armor and eyes thrown into the bargain. At Megatron’s instruction, [[Isaac Sumdac|Professor Sumdac]] fires up the bridge, but when it fails to activate due to the professor’s simple lack of understanding of the technology, Megatron realizes that he will require additional help...

[[Image:TFA ABTC1 Screamer Clones Argue.jpg|thumb|"There's something in your [[optic]]." "No, there isn't!"]]

On [[Earth]]’s [[Moon (moon)|moon]], [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] gloats over five new [[Starscream clone|clones]] of himself, to which he is in the process of putting the finishing touches. The final clone is completed and, like its fellows, brought online with a tiny chip of the [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] that gives Starscream life. Immediately, however, Starscream has to wrestle with the various wacky personalities the clones have wound up with, each one an exaggerated aspect of his own: a coward, a sycophant, an egomaniac, a pathological liar... and a short-tempered female who insists that Starscream not ask what aspect of his personality gave birth to her.

Megatron contacts [[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]] on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] in order to have him [[Cybertronian Datanet|track down]] the top space bridge engineer on the planet. Shockwave is surprised to report that the engineer in question is on Earth—it’s [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]]! Megatron decides to capture Bulkhead personally and instructs Lugnut and Blitzwing to pick up an item from [[Sumdac Tower]] to aid in “convincing” the Autobot to help them. When Lugnut points out that Sumdac cannot be trusted in the base alone with the Constructicons, Megatron decides to take the professor with him. As all this scheming goes on, however, someone else is listening in—the mysterious “Blue Racer” that [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] recently encountered.

[[Image:TFA ABTC1 painting time.JPG|thumb|left]]

At the Autobot base, Bulkhead is working on his latest painting, an abstract rendition of [[Sari Sumdac|Sari]]. Unfortunately, backseat artistry from the other Autobots winds up ruining the painting, and Bulkhead goes for a walk with Sari to vent a little. Bumblebee follows to apologize, but just as he catches up to them, Megatron appears in the sky overhead and opens fire. Using Sumdac as a human shield to stop the Autobots from firing back, Megatron continues to rain destruction down on the Autobots as Bumblebee and Sari argue over whether or not Sumdac has been working with Megatron.

[[Image:TFA ABTC1 Megatron Sumdac Hostage.jpg|thumb|right|...dads?]]
Suddenly, the Blue Racer speeds onto the scene, and Bumblebee, believing the enigmatic speedster to be working with Megatron, chases him off through the city and manages to run him off the road. When he attempts to report his success to Bulkhead, though, there’s no response—because Megatron has captured Bulkhead and is airlifting him away. Bumblebee’s failure is compounded by the next turn of events: The Blue Racer reveals himself to be [[Blurr (Animated)|Blurr]], a fast-talking member of the [[Cybertron Elite Guard]] who has been covertly monitoring Megatron’s activities.

Back at the Decepticon headquarters, Bulkhead refuses to help Megatron, so the villain unveils the fruit of Blitzwing and Lugnut’s labor: a [[Headmaster (Animated)|Headmaster]] unit! Faced with the threat of once again having his body taken over and being used to destroy his fellow Autobots, and failing to elicit any help from [[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]] or [[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]], Bulkhead relents and agrees to work on the space bridge.

At the Autobots’ base, Blurr relates his mission to [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] and company and brings them up to speed, quite literally. While Prime leads the rest of the team to the Decepticon base, the location of which is provided by Blurr, [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] and Sari head for Teletran-1 to try to get it online one last time. Just like [[Lost and Found (episode)|last time]], their efforts lead to nothing, forcing Ratchet to attempt one last drastic approach: using the AllSpark fragments the Autobots have gathered to jump-start the ship’s systems.

[[Image:TFA ABTC1 Bulkhead Sumdac.JPG|thumb|left|Merry Christmas!]]

Prime’s team is led by Blurr into the Decepticons’ coal mine base, where they are immediately attacked by Lugnut and Blitzwing. The fight is a brief one, as Blurr uses his super-speed to bind the odd couple with [[stasis cuffs]]. Meanwhile, as the space bridge nears completion, Bulkhead insists on modifying many aspects of Sumdac’s design, and winds up in an argument with the human, which Sumdac interprets as Bulkhead trying to sabotage the bridge deliberately. When the bridge is activated, however, it functions perfectly—Bulkhead knew full well that Sumdac’s design was wrong, and he corrected it!

[[Image:TFA ABTC1 Screamer Clones Emerge.jpg|thumb|right|Why, I'm beside myself! And myself! And...]]
As the bridge flares into life, Prime’s team bursts into the main chamber, but they are instantly immobilized by cement booties, courtesy of Mixmaster. With the Autobots out of the picture, it seems there is nothing to stop Megatron now...until the roof of the cavern explodes, and Starscream and his clone army make their grand entrance!

[[A Bridge Too Close, Part II|To be continued…]]
{{-}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (14)
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (15)
*[[Blurr (Animated)|Blurr]] (16)
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (17)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (18)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (19)

|c2=
*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (1)
*[[Lugnut]] (2)
*[[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] (3)
*[[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]] (4)
*[[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]] (5)
*[[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] (7)
*[[Thundercracker (Animated)|Thundercracker]] (8)
*[[Sunstorm (Animated)|Sunstorm]] (9)
*[[Ramjet (Animated)|Ramjet]] (10)
*[[Skywarp (Animated)|Skywarp]] (11)
*[[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]] (12)
*[[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]] (13)

|c3=
*[[Isaac Sumdac]] (6)
*[[Sari Sumdac]] (15)
}}

==Quotes==
"Ah, never before have I seen such an impressive group of lethal fighting machines! And pretty good-looking, if I do say so myself."
:—The ever-humble '''Starscream''' comments on his clone army.

'''Skywarp, the Coward Starscream''': Us? Against Megatron?!? ARE YOU INSANE?!? ''[Meekly]'' Ah, I think I just sprang an oil leak... 
'''Thundercracker, the Egomaniac Starscream''': Silence, you fool! Megatron is a worthless pile of scrap metal compared to ''my'' genius. 
'''Sunstorm, the Sycophant Starscream''': Brilliant observation! Brilliant! But your genius pales in comparison to the genius of our leader, the [[Starscream (G1)|original]] Starscream. 
'''Starscream''': Mmm, I could listen to this one all day! 
'''Ramjet, the Liar Starscream''': What are you talking about? ''I'' am the [[Geewun|original]] Starscream! 
'''Starscream''': Liar! ''I'' am the original Starscream. 
'''Ramjet''': I never said I was the original Starscream. 
'''Starscream''': You just did right now. 
'''Ramjet''': No, I didn't. 
'''Starscream''': Yes, you did. 
'''Ramjet''': No, I didn't. 
'''Starscream''': Yes, you did! 
'''Ramjet''': No. I. Didn't. 
'''Slipstream, the Female Starscream''': Ohh, haven't you figured it out yet? He's a pathological liar. Each of us clones represents one aspect of your personality. [''points to each clone in turn''] He's a coward... he's an egomaniac... he's a suck-up... he's a liar. 
'''Ramjet''': I am not! 
'''Starscream''': So, which part of me did you come from? 
'''Slipstream''': Don't ask. 
'''Starscream''': ''[sigh]'' This is going to be a long orbital cycle.
:—Best [[introdump]] ever?

"I just didn't think my head was so big." 
"That's your leg."
:—'''Sari''' and '''Bulkhead'''. Oh, the irony!

'''Sari''': No, don't shoot! You'll hit my dad! 
'''Bulkhead''': She's right! 
'''Bumblebee''': So what are we supposed to do? Fight him with snappy comebacks?
:—'''Bumblebee''' conveniently forgets his normal attack strategy.

'''Bumblebee''': All right, Zippy, start talking! 
''[Blurr transforms from vehicle mode to robot mode]'' 
'''Blurr''': First of all, the name's not "Zippy"! As a matter of fact, I don't believe I've ever met another bot named Zippy, so one can only assume that you came up with "Zippy" in reference to my speed, which may be technically accurate, but lacks a certain creativity! 
'''Bumblebee''': Eh...eh-eh... 
'''Blurr''': More to the point, the name's Blurr! I'm an Autobot intelligence agent, sent to this planet by the Elite Guard to keep an eye on Optimus Prime and his crew as well as monitor the Decepticon activity, and ''you'', my friend, have just blown a decacycle of covert surveillance designed to uncover Megatron's plot to conquer Cybertron. Everything was going according to plan when I intercepted a communication between the Decepticon leader and an unknown double agent! They were in the midst of plotting the abduction of an unsuspecting Autobot, which now, from the status of the current ground situation, appears to have been successful. Got that so far? 
'''Bumblebee''': Uh...could you repeat the last part? 
'''Blurr''': Which last part? 
'''Bumblebee''': Oh, everything after "The name's not Zippy."
:—It took Bumblebee a long time to get Blurr to start talking. From this point on, he doesn't shut up.

'''Bumblebee''': Woah, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Back up! 
'''Prowl''': Did he just say Bulkhead? 
'''Optimus Prime''': ''Our Bulkhead?'' 
'''Ratchet''': ''An expert?'' On anything?!
:—The Autobots aren't terribly impressed with Bulkhead.

"I must be a bigger pain in the gearshaft than I thought."
:—'''Starscream''' [[Total War!#Quotes|openly admits]] one of his primary faults.

"Okay, I give. I'm officially no longer the fastest thing on wheels."
:—'''Bumblebee''' is humbled after seeing Blurr's speedy takedown of Blitzwing and Lugnut.

==Notes==
===Animation or technical errors===
* When Mixmaster encases Optimus and Prowl in concrete, his colors shift back to his neutral, pre-Decepticon color scheme.
* When Megatron attacks the Autobots, his cockpit changes from black to grey for a brief moment, then back.
* Blurr's mouth disappears for a frame after he introduces himself to Bumblebee and is pointing at him for the second time.

===Continuity errors===
* Not so much an error as a quirk: During the engagement in the mines, Icy Blitzwing is scowling noticeably, while Hothead Blitzwing is...''smiling???''
* When Bulkhead is brought into Decepticon HQ, Prof. Sumdac says his name as if he is surprised to see the Autobot, despite the fact that Sumdac was ''there'' when Bulkhead was kidnapped by Megatron.

===Transformers references===
[[Image:ABridgeTooClosePart1-MegatronHandExtendtion.jpg|thumb|right|His special hand! There's none other like it!]]
* Shockwave's report on Bulkhead appears to be in the form of [[Tech Spec]]s.
* After branding, the Constructicons' colour schemes match those of their Generation 1 counterparts.
* Megatron shoots off his middle and index finger which isn't [[Scrounge (G1)|something]] [[Elita One#Classics|new]].

===Real-world references===
* In ''[[Wikipedia:The Bridge on the River Kwai|The Bridge on the River Kwai]]'', [[Obi-Wan Kenobi|Alec Guinness]] is a prisoner of war who is forced to build a bridge. Even though the bridge will help his enemies, he builds the bridge to the best of his ability just to demonstrate how capable he is. In "A Bridge Too Close"...replace "Alec Guinness" with "Bulkhead".
* The title is a reference to the movie ''[[Wikipedia:A Bridge Too Far (film)|A Bridge Too Far]]''.
* Among the parts needed for a space bridge are "hollow cathode tubes", parts which until recently made up computer monitor displays.

===Trivia===
* So in all the months that Isaac Sumdac has been missing, it never occurred to anyone that the Decepticons kidnapped him? Perhaps everyone thought he was dead.

* All of the heavy exposition is given to the guy who talks really, really fast. Handy.

* Megatron initiates new Decepticons by [[branding]] the symbol onto them with cattle brands. How bovine.

* This is not the first time Bulky has transformed his [[Total Meltdown|kibble into a chair]].

* Starscream opens a hatch on his head to pick parts from his AllSpark fragment to bring the clones to life, suggesting that in all of the episodes when you do see it, he has his hatch open, exposing the AllSpark fragment.

* Ratchet mentions putting the Allspark fragments in the spark chamber of the ship. [[Omega Supreme|Epic foreshadowing.]]

==External links==
* [http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/video/dlink/index.html?episodeID=8a25c3921fc6a295011fc9a52e1001b5 "A Bridge Too Close, Part I" streaming video at Cartoon Network] (link functional until 3/03/10)

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[[Category:Animated episodes]]

Talk:Furmanism

2010-01-09T08:22:24Z

Chipmonk328:

This is awesome. In a "so bad it's good" sort of way. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

----

This is obviously an incomplete list. I also have some that were only repeated once, sometimes in differing forms, which I won't add to the page proper until we find at least one more iteration. If you can find more of any of these, feel free to add them.

Here's my remainder:

===WHOLE WORLD OF PAIN===
*"Get ready, quite literally... for a whole WORLD of pain!" -- Starscream, G2 #11
*"It's about PAIN, Megatron... here's a whole WORLD of it!" -- Starscream, TWWv1 #3

===DOWN TO EARTH--LITERALLY!===
*"Aww, did I bring the poor Autobot '''down to earth''' with a bump?" --'''Rumble, ''Transformers: Generation 2'' #6'''
*"Let's bring these latter-generation big shots '''down to earth'''!" --'''Skydive, ''Transformers: Generation 2'' #10'''
*"Bring him '''down to earth!'''" --'''Lio Convoy, ''Beast Wars: The Ascending'' #3'''

--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

:I'm waaaay too comfortable lying on my couch here to go upstairs and find the book and check, but I want to say Swoop did the whole "better to die than run" shtick when the Dinobots were fighting the demons in #76...? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 23:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::Indeed! Good memory. Hold on... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Now there are '''three''' phrases in which '''down to earth''' is meant '''literally'''.
--[[User:Jeff S|Jeff S]] 08:08, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

== Call me humorless if you wish- ==

Normally, I love the humor here. I like that we don't always take everything seriously. However, I think this article is taking things a little far. Boo to this section, basically. Boo-urns, in fact. It feels like it's trashing Furman for no good reason. And I've never heard ANYONE say- "Hey, a similar bit of dialogue in a Simon Furman comic! Must be a Furmanism!"

And, seriously,you don't think some of it is intentional (particularly issue 67)?

I just don't see how this has a place here. --DJ Convoy

:...I saw it as a celebration of Furmanisms, actually. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

::Pretty much. Furman is my main man. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:53, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure there's gotta be more IT NEVER ENDSes than the three I got, right? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 09:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
: Well, uh, I wasn't counting the IT NEVER ENDSes on purpose, because Furman does those on purpose, as an intentional self-referential running-gag to his original G1 send-off letter. I don't think it really belongs in this article, as such. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
::Well, being a cartoon-centric guy I didn't actually know what the original source of it was. It still strikes me as qualifying as a "Furmanism" though, albeit with a note in the article about it's origin and nature. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 17:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:::I'd never called them Furmanisms before now either, but I do now. As for disrespect... Well, I think a Transfan has to kinda be a Furman fan by definition really. --[[User:82.41.82.183|82.41.82.183]] 22:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
::::Not so. I'm a Transformers fan and I don't like Furman's writing much at all. However, I've heard the term "Furmanism" for years online, so it makes sense for this article to exist.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 23:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::You only "have" to like Furman if you like the print media. Certainly no one is mandated to be a fan of Flint Dille--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:11, 2 August 2007 (UTC).

== REAP THE WHIRLWILD ==

Simon must be a huge Young Guns fan. =D--[[User:Speedbreaker|Speedbreaker]] 04:24, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
:Isn't it from the bible though? "They sow the wind and reap the whirlwind", something along those lines? [[User:70.53.249.237|70.53.249.237]] 22:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I think this one is a little unfair - I bought a cheap pocket paperback X-Men compilation thing and Clairemont used this same phrase twice and only two issues apart. Rather than a Furmanism, it seems to be common comic-book language. [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 11:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

== On predatory birds and hovering thereof ==

Seriously, we really should include those. Yes, yes, it was only used one other time... but it's by far the most unique of them all. Also, hilarious. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 01:52, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Today while I was at work, I picked up the Transformers Movie Guide and pawed through it. I noticed for the first time this sentence talking about Megatron's alt mode:
*"Like some dread bird of prey, Megatron would hang suspended in the upper atmosphere, raining lightning bolts down on enemy emplacements while his drone (ground) troopers picked off any who attempted to flee or fight back."
--[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 23:44, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
:What I'm curious about is, is that close enough to count? If yes, we've finally reached the required three birds of prey. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 23:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
::I would count it! Sweeeeet. (Furman wrote it, right?) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:22, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
:::[http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Movie-Guide-Simon-Furman/dp/0756630134/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-1728203-3352961?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1191457670&sr=8-1 Non wiki-based proof] for you. We have an article for the book, but I'm sure you'd prefer a source that isn't editable. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 00:29, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
== Another Time And Place Furmanisms? ==
I seem to recall the Another Time And Place text story ending with the "It Never Ends" furmanism.. can anyone confirm? [[User:70.53.249.237|70.53.249.237]] 22:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
: It does. Though I'm still iffy on its inclusion in this article without some sort of disclaimer, as he purposefully includes it all the freakin' time (like even in the You Can Draw Transformers book) as some sort of calling card. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:42, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:: If he includes it on purpose, wouldn't that make it that much more a Furmanism?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 03:13, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
::: I think it would. [[User:70.53.249.237|70.53.249.237]] 03:17, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:::: In fact, we should have the article end with that section, with the last one being the one from the You Can Draw Transformers book. [[User:Kaosu Reido|Kaosu Reido]] 20:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
::::: He uses it in that book too? HAH! This article should totally do what Kaosu just said it should do. [[User:70.55.211.238|70.55.211.238]] 06:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Since "It never ends!" now is included, I should point out that there's another one, by Shockwave at the end of Time Wars. Don't have the book handy now, so I can't make an exact quote. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:10, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

== Down to earth ==

I spotted the phrase ''down to earth''--used in a '''literal''' sense--in two issues of ''Transformers: Generation 2'' (#6, "The Gathering Darkness"; #10, "War Dawn").

'''-Jeff Steele'''
: Those are already noted further up the page. Thanks, though! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

==Not exactly "fight and die"==
There's Crankcase's "Better to die a warrior's death than endure this ''mockery'' of life!" from "The Rise and Fall of the Decepticon Empire"... same theme. Usable? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:I'd say so. Look at the section, there are a bunch of em that are similar to "fight and die" but not 100% the same. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

== What Order Should They Be Listed In? ==

Given that we're dealing with a short list, I'm not sure the Furmanisms necessarily need to be in alphabetical order. (It's also not a list people are going to be looking things up in. ''"Hey, I wonder if 'In for a penny, in for a pound' is a Furmanism? I better look under 'I' . . . "'')
Opinions? [[User:JW|JW]] 15:08, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
:Alphabetical order is better than arbitrary. Though if I had to pick a different ordering system, I'd suggest the order in which they first appeared in fiction. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
::The order I was trying to put them in was not (quite) arbitrary. It was an attempt to tell a story as if two characters were talking in nothing but Furmanisms. (E.g., "It can be destroyed!" as a response to "What chance do we have?") This is, admittedly, quirky, esoteric, and serves no purpose but The Funny, but I'm not certain alphabetical order serves ''any'' purpose besides "not arbitrary". [[User:JW|JW]] 15:24, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
::Or, we could list them in the order they appear in today's Shortpacked . . . [[User:JW|JW]] 11:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I'd much rather they be in an order that's accessible to others. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:28, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Well, A) I was joking about Shortpacked. (By the way, keep up the good work.) And, B) a list of only ''ten'' items is accessible by default. It can be reviewed in seconds with a flick of the mouse. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:17, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
: I gotta say that I really liked having "IT NEVER ENDS" right next to "IT'S OVER - FINISHED!" [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 16:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::Heck, if we change the header from "OVER -- FINISHED" to "IT IS OVER -- FINISHED", we can do that, and keep Walky happy. One of the sample quotes uses "it is over", and another two use "it's over", so this is quite justifiable. [[User:JW|JW]] 16:18, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

==Furman sound effects==
Should we do a Furman sound effects article to accompany this? I'd love to see the instances of 'FFN' :D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:38, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
:I was just thinking the other day that we should include "GNNGH". --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 13:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you for replying. I had forgotten about this given that everybody else (who are vastly more well-versed in the comics than I) evidently couldn't be bothered answering. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Sadly, Furman stopped using SPOOMS! once we started asking him in person to use them more. We apologize. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:41, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::: A sound effects section should prolly be on this article. A steller example is Grimlock's Ff. Tt. Hf. etc. in the first ''The War Within''. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:59, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::Why did he stop? Did he realize you guys were lightly mocking his 'isms'? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Hey, what happened? I thought you guys LOVED Furman sound effects! If Furmanisms are good enough for catalogue, then sound effects should damn well be catalogued, too! --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:How would we categorize these? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:35, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::As in the type of article or within the article itself? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:40, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Within this article. I'm sure every story has some sort of sound effects. Are there particular ones Furman uses more than others? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:48, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::::SPOOM!
::::Unfortunately, this sort of article would require the services of somebody like Walky and his friends who, as I understand, are great fans of Furman's sound effects and speech patterns. My own knowledge is painfully limited. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:56, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

== Nemesis Pt 2 ==

as anyone checked Nemesis part 2 for Furmanisms? He did write it, after all. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:47, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
: I dunno about Furmanisms, but the angry shouting-at-the-sky speech about Tigerhawk's death Primal has just outside their base is pretty damn Furmanesque. It's so awesome to see Furman material acted out. But no specific Furmanisms come to mind... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:40, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

==A STING in the tail!==
This one pops up when Pincer transforms in.... issue #63? And again in the Magnus Spotlight. Can we get a third, do I hear a third, third third third? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 03:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

==He hesitates - and is LOST!==
"He hesitates - and is lost!" -- narrative box, UK #116
"It hesitated and lost EVERYTHING!" -- Dreadwind, UK #218

There's GOT to be one more of these.

== Time we weren't here ==

Hot Rod in Devastation #3, page 8.

This sounds vaguely familiar. Did it get used in Furman stories before? If yes, would it qualify for a Furmanism, or is it too generic?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 21:31, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:Having finally had the chance to read this issue I have to agree that line sounds very familiar, but I can't recall where from... And Nevermore, I think the way Furman says it is unique to him, I've never heard that type of phrase before he came about. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::Having not yet read Devastation #3, I can say that it's VERY familiar to me as a Furmanism, and I'm 99% sure we could find three examples somewhere. "Time I wasn't here," perhaps. Thing is, he uses so much English colloquialism that I'm rarely ever sure if his phrases are HIS or just from his dialect. "On balance, I prefer...." "My advice to one and all..." I'm not sure where to draw the line, ultimately. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 17:13, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

==Who are we to play god?==
- "This is hopeless! How am I to decide who deserves life the most? Who am I to play god?" -- Optimus Prime, UK #250 {{storylink|The Greatest Gift of All!}}
 - Prime to Omega Supreme {{Storylink|Spotlight: Optimus Prime}}
 - Doubleheader to Longtooth {{Storylink|Deadly Obsession}}
 - "Pray tell, Optimus Primal... how it feels to play GOD?" - Depth Charge {{storylink|Homecoming (issue)|Homecoming}}
:-- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 05:22, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
::That one sounds like more of a genuine turn of phrase to me. If we can find many more than these three, I can be convinced it's an actual Furmanism, rather than just something people say. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:34, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

:::It is a phrase people use- but I'm pretty sure Furman hits it heavily. It might be worth referencing ''if'' you can find some stock intro format he uses before it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:54, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

==Things Fall Apart==
I noticed this while flipping through the DK Ultimate Guide the other day, and it seemed vaugely familiar. Wasn't it used in some semi-recent IDW comic? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] 13:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Coming_%28poem%29 "The Second Coming" by Yeats] gets quoted in a lot of places. Since it's not original to Furman, I don't think we can count it as a Furmanism. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:23, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:: I am clearly a literary idiot. Thanks! ...then again, if "Reap The Whirlwind" counts, and that's not something Furman came up with himself, should we discount "Things Fall Apart" if more examples can be found? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] 01:47, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Good question . . . let's first see if he does use "things fall apart" the requisite three times . . . [[User:JW|JW]] 03:28, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

==How many times?==
*"Again he has cheated death. A chance in a million has turned defeat into victory. How many more times, he wonders..." --Narration, [[The Harder They Die!]]
*"Curse you, Optimus Prime! How many times? How '''many?!'''" --Megatron, [[Under Fire!]]
*"How many, eh? HOw many have to '''die''' for you to get your jollies? '''HOW MANY?'''" --Ratchet, [[A Savage Circle]]
*"How many times did we both die... only to live again? A vicious cycle from which there seemed no escape." --Optimus Prime, [[New Dawn#"Tales of Earth Part Four"|Tales of Earth, Part Four]]
*"''Curse you'', Rodimus Prime -- ''how many times must I destroy you?''" -- Galvatron, [[Rhythms of Darkness!]]
For your consideration --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Heh. I like the... insistence of the third one, put into context with the rest. But I'd still actually vote against this. It's just a little too generic - to my sensibilities, anyway. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 06:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:: I was wondering, which is why I didn't throw it in automatically. Let's see what other people think, and maybe someone can dig up more of these to solidify it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:23, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::: If we make it more specific and go with the "How many times? HOW MANY?" part, then I think we've got something. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 23:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

==DEAD wrong!==
* "Urr...if you think we're beaten, Autobot -- you're ''dead'' wrong!" -- Bludgeon {{storylink|The Lesser Evil}}
: Isn't 'dead wrong' a pretty common phrase?--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:56, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
::Yes, but not as a pun roughly translating to "you are wrong, and you are also dead." I haven't read the story in question, but it sounds like that's what he's saying. [[User:Caswin|Caswin]] 02:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

==What do you think you're playing at?==
*"Uhn! Blast it, Backstreet! What're you playing at?" -- Dogfight, "[[Race with the Devil]]"
* "Whaddaya think you're playing at, Inferno?" -- Broadside, "[[Survivors!]]"
* "''What'' do you think" "you're playing at?" -- Doubleheader, "[[Whose Lifeforce Is It Anyway?]]"
* "''Hey!'' What are you playing at, ''Nightbeat''?" -- Kup, "[[The Pri¢e of Life!]]"
: Totally vouching for this one, it's one of my favorite Furmanisms. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:56, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

==No! You're dead!==
* "No! Y-you were dead... I killed you!" -- Thunderwing, "[[The Big Shutdown!]]"
* "No! It - it ''can't'' be you... you're dead!" -- Ratchet, "[[Back from the Dead]]"
* "No! I saw you die, felt your ''aura'' leave its mortal remains! You were ''no more!''" -- Bludgeon, "[[End of the Road!]]"
* "YOU did this... but you're DEAD!" -- Dreadwind, "[[Race with the Devil]]" (cover)
* "No! It can't be you... you're dead!" -- Megatron, "[[Salvage!]]" (cover)
* "Nooo! You're - you're dead... ''dead!'' I saw you die!" -- Megatron, "[[Salvage!]]"

==Shattered Expectations==
Should there be some mention here about the reverse Furmanisms in the Shattered Expectations April Fools comic pages? - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

==Power Beyond Measure==
* "Flee! Power beyond measure, this one has! His light--hurts!" --Demon, re: ActionMaster Grimlock
* "I offer you dark secrets, whispers from the timelost past; power--BEYOND MEASURE!" --The Fallen

Okay, the last one isn't an exact quote, but the Furmanism was definitely carried over. And I'm naggingly sure I've heard it much more often than that....--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

== INTO ITS MAW ==

I know this has been used in several instances. Laserbeak thrown into Slag's maw in [[Dinobot Hunt!]], Prime plunging the Matrix into Unicron's maw, that creature with the matrix energy in it's maw. Any others? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 01:02, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:If we end up using it, it should be "ITS MAW", not "IT'S MAW". Possessive, not contraction. [[User:JW|JW]] 01:36, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::Agreed. Made a typo. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 01:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

== Putting our own house in order ==

I believe this one has been said enough times to qualify as one.
* Care to give us some examples, champ? [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 07:54, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

== Well and truly... ==

I think this qualifies. Furman's been hitting it really hard recently. I think we should starting collecting them!--[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 10:26, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

== ROTF Movie adaptation ==

Got the ROTF Movie adaptation trade from Target the other day. There are no less than three Furmanisms in it, four if we decide to add "well and truly".

However, do you think we should wait to see if any of these lines are in the actual movie, and thus probably not originally not written by Furman? I doubt it, but I guess we should wait to see to be safe.

*"Done"? I fear, Major Lennox...that it NEVER ends!"- Optimus Prime

*"Hm. Don't recognize the make and model, but I know the form. Time I wasn't he- AAAARGHHH!"- Jetfire ALMOST gets it out

*"This world and all on it...shall die SCREAMING."- The Fallen

--[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 10:31, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

== Not limited to just Furman? ==
In an issue of Anderson: Psi Judge (Posession, to be specific) from the Judge Dredd series, one of the characters used one of the popular Furmanisms. I checked, and the credits were by Alan Grant under the name R Clark. I'm not sure if this is worth a mention or not, and I'm not a contributor, so I'll just leave you guys with a link http://i25.tinypic.com/vql4is.png
:Thanks for pointing that out. It does bring up something I've wondered about in the past: Where's the line between "Furmanism" and "British colloquialism"? Or should we care at all? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:57, 23 August 2009 (EDT)

== NO ONE GETS OUT ALIVE ==
* "DECEPTICONS- Let's hear the call... NO ONE GETS OUT ALIVE!" --Headstrong. [[Stormbringer issue 4]]
* "No Mercy!" "No Limits!" "No one... GETS OUT ALIVE!" --various Predacons. [[The Ascending issue 4|''Transformers: Beast Wars: The Ascending'' #4]]
* "That Said, However it goes... NO ONE gets out alive." -- Scorponok. [[Maximum Dinobots issue 3]]

No clue if this appears elsewhere, but it sounds like it should be a furmanism.--[[User:Tindalos|Tindalos]] 15:37, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

yeah, fairly certain i've heard this elsewhere too.--[[Special:Contributions/68.9.60.113|68.9.60.113]] 16:23, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

== -- Just ran out! ==

* "Predacons. Whatever period of grace we might've had -- just ran out!" --Bonecrusher. [[The Gathering issue 4]]

Ran across this, and I know I've heard something like it before. Going to start looking. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 07:14, 24 December 2009 (EST)

::Ooh, um, Gen 2 #9, if recall correctly too. On the very last page. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 11:21, 24 December 2009 (EST)
==Fall Damn you, FALL!==
Seen said by Megatron in Armada Worlds Collide arc by Dreamwave in issue #16 and in One of the Beast Wars comics by IDW (I forget where I saw it now.) I also feel I've heard it somewhere else before..but I figured sense both were clearly by Furman, sounds like a Furmanism to me.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

Talk:United Nations

2010-01-07T16:57:15Z

Chipmonk328:

I wasn't completely sure what to put for this article, but felt it odd that no one had put anything.. so hopefully I gave a good starting point for people to do whatever with.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
:A continuity note, properly bolded and linked intro, fiction section with headings and storylinks, and a stub notice is generally the bare minimum for a new article. (I'd do it, except that I have no idea off-hand what stories the UN was featured in.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 09:45, 6 January 2010 (EST)
Ah, if feel somewhat dumb now lol Yeah, I'm not sure either, though I may at some point look around and find out. Maybe give it a shot myself lol..oh and how do you give it a stub notice? (If I'm going to do this the "proper" way, I need to know how to do that lol)--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

Talk:Beast Wars timeline

2010-01-07T16:53:04Z

Chipmonk328: /* Fun Publications and 3H Comics */

==Depth Charge==
If we're specifically mentioning Ravage's journey from the future to the past, we should include Depth Charge's similar trip as well. [[User:JW|JW]] 16:26, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:That's just because it still waits to be added. Ha ha ;D --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 16:33, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
==Fun Publications and 3H Comics==
What make them any more canon than the IDW comics? I understand that they tie into Beast Wars, but so does the IDW Comics. I also understand that IDW doesn't connect to the Fun and 3H comics..but I don't see them as any more canon than the IDW Comics. Thus, I propose a split. (Its difficult to tell which is Beast Wars the Cartoon and which parts are Comic only stuff anyways, so it'd also help to show others which is from which canon.) I'm surprised it took until now for someone to suggest it really.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
:The comic stuff should be put in ''italics'' like the [[Transformers Animated timeline]]. Other than that, I don't think a split is necessary. The IDW comics are canon, but brings elements from Japanese fiction into English continuity, so the backstory is a little different than the English Beast Era continuity that is recorded here. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:27, 22 December 2009 (EST)
::This page is a "Beast Era timeline." The 3H/FP material covers Beast Machines and Universe, which are so far ignored by IDW's material. IDW's stuff would be a "Beast Wars timeline" only. EDIT: Yeah, that's exactly what we do. Note that the IDW stuff is at [[Beast Wars timeline (IDW)]], not "Beast Era." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:42, 22 December 2009 (EST)
Alright, well, then is anyone going it italicize the comic parts or something? As it stands, its hard to tell which is from Comics and which is from the Beast Wars (and Beast Machines) show.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

Thanks for the changes..but I feel my terminology, while corrected..I have to ask again because, I still don't understand how IDW is any less canon to the Beast Era than Fun or 3H. Sure they don't work with each other, but to me, putting those comics with the Cartoon over IDW seems like someones idea of [[Personal_canon]], which doesn't constitute being included in my opinion.EDIT: Forgive the edit, just felt I should space apart from my other post better, as I didn't notice it when I first hit preview.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

Okay. Two questions: 1. No one answered my last statement. How is it not Personal Canon to say they are any more canon than IDW. Yes, it includes things from the Japanese series, and the others do not. However, they are just as in canon with the Cartoons as 3H and Fun, so whose to say which one is more canon than the other? 2.Is there any way to purchase any of the Universe and Wreckers Comics? I'd like to buy them if at all possible..[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
:Your question was answered. The IDW comics do not portray the same events as other Beast-era media. They completely omit BM and completely contradict 3H--there is no way for any one timeline to contain all the events of the 3H and IDW comics because they plainly do not exist in the same timeline. This is not "personal canon," just explain Tripredacus Agent if they're all the same story. We don't have a "G1" timeline including every single story from every medium because it would be impossible; we break them down by continuity, thus "G1 cartoon" and "IDW G1", etc. The main Beast timeline came first and so it gets the main article; IDW came later and contradicts it, so it gets spun off. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 16:28, 2 January 2010 (EST)

What was answered was why IDW and 3H+fun could not go together. What I don't understand is how IDW contradicts the Beast Era Cartoons in any way, which is the ONLY way 3H and fun could be more canon than IDW (Unless Hasbro said it themselves or something of course)...and now you sat it doesn't include Beast Machines? True, it doesn't, but whose to say its just set before it. Though I kinda see now what you're saying. So let me see if I got this straight.

IDW only covers the Beast Wars part of the Beast Era, and includes the Japanese Cartoon in its own wierd way...so even though it doesn't contradict the American Cartoons in any way (thus making it possibly canon), its not canon because 3H and Fun can go together, and go with the Beast Era Cartoon only just as much as IDW's, but doesn't include the Japanese Cartoon in any way, and DOES include Beast Machines, thus its automatically made canon....wieeerd. But I'm not so sure that constitutes it being canon..it just says it has more content than IDW, has gotten to Beast Machines, contradicts the other comics but not the american cartoon in any way, and doesn't include the Japanese Canon in any way..that doesn't automatically make one more canon than the other. All it means is they don't go TOGETHER, not that one is canon and one is not. I'm sorry, I don't mean to be rude or a hardass but, I still just don't see it. Is there something I'm missing here?--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

==Waspinator==
Since when did Waspinator fly back to Cybertron from past-Earth with the Wreckers? I thought that entire episode was never explained more than "took forever!". --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 17:09, 22 December 2009 (EST)
: That entry is properly storylinked, so I'm not sure what your question is about. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:39, 22 December 2009 (EST)
:: I'm confused too - the entry, describing Apelinq and company's return to Cybertron, is storylinked to Apelinq's War Journals, but the journals end with Omega Point, with no coverage of said return. [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:11, 22 December 2009 (EST)
::: Ah, there's another one? I read the one that was linked to Primeval Dawn. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:33, 22 December 2009 (EST)
:::: Oh, yeah, I see it now, further up the timeline... so I take it that was one of those things that ''would'' have happened if the comic was finished, but wasn't in any of the actual published stuff? Not read the BotCon stuff... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:50, 22 December 2009 (EST)
::::: Yeah, we should add a note that it was planned and not published. (I believe the only place on the wiki where this is documented completely is on [[Primal Prime]]'s page. I never got around to copypasting that information to other pages. Definitely something to put on my TO DO list as I've been filling in this Universe stuff lately.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:52, 22 December 2009 (EST)
::Yeah, none of the Primeval Dawn pages mention Waspinator at all. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 21:21, 22 December 2009 (EST)

User:Chipmonk328

2010-01-07T05:28:37Z

Chipmonk328:

Back after the [[Project: Bookworm Crash|Bookworm Crash]].
[[Image:Onegenerationshattered.jpg|350px|thumb|right|The mirrorverse is roughly 50% blue cannons by volume.]]
What is there to know? I'm a fandubber who intends to go into Professional Voice acting soon. I also am a huge Transformers fan (obviously) and have been one sense Beast Wars was new. (I watched it when I was about 5 years old) I'm currently 20. Birthday is May 11th. I'm a guy. My typical nickname is "Sephi" but my name is Chris. Some of my favorite voice actors are Chuck Huber, Spike Spencer, Scott McNeil and Chris Sabat. I've been a member of this place sense it was Teletraan 1 at Wikia.
[[Image:CyKill.gif|left|250px|thumb|" Currently Killing Cy-kill. Please leave a message, Beep."]]
I find Cykills deaths funny, and am a huge Beast wars Fan (obviously, I mean it was my first Transformers show) but I also love the current movies and G1. I pretty much have shunned Transformers Animated because it looks too childish, but I hear good of it so I MIGHT give it a shot. I loved Armada at the time it was new, but now go back to it and feel its sad how often they talked and how there was so little action in it. Cybertron is pretty cool, but could be better, and Energon sucked.
[[Image:Thegathering1d.jpg||right|350px|thumb|" Everyone in the pool! "]]
Beast Wars will always hold a place in my heart of course. I'm also a huge Star Wars fan (Expanded Universe anyways..all six of the movies are kinda meh) and Anime Otaku. I'm into Naruto and many other Shonen, though I'm also into American Marvel Comics, largely because I grew up watching the old X-men and Spider-man cartoons (not the ancient ones, just the older ones). (Again, when I was about 5 or so)
[[Image:Coming of the Fuzors 1 Megatron fuzors.jpg|left|350px|thumb|Now we know, and knowing is half the battle. ''(G.I. JOE!!!)'']]
[[Image:Optimusprimaluniverseend.jpg|right|350px|thumb|Just watch, we'll manage to fit this image on every page somehow.]]
I also am a gamer..a bigtime one. I'm a huge fan of fighting games, and FPS, though I like some RPGs too. I love Tekken, Halo and Final Fantasy for sure. But there's plenty others I like..uhm..just ask if you wish to know more.

Maybe Give this a look, hmmm?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xco2JzOWVhM
and Yes, I did that.

Unicron

2010-01-06T20:23:55Z

Chipmonk328:

{{factions|unicron}}
{{disambig3|Unicron}}
[[Image:Unicronwiki.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Not Galactus, we swear.]]
{{bigquote|Unicron is frightening. Unicron will destroy... will destroy ''space''.|[[High Wire (Armada)|High Wire]]|"[[Uprising]]"}}

'''Unicron''' is the eternal arch-enemy of his twin brother [[Primus]]. He is known as the Dark God, the Chaos Bringer, the Planet Eater, and he is dedicated to consuming the multiverse. His goal is to bring an end to the annoying creation boasting independence around him, and find peace by becoming the living center of a [[Void|swirling, infinite torrent of nothingness]] at the end of all things.

To undertake this seemingly overwhelming task, Unicron is able to travel across realities at will, a meandering plague upon existence itself. <ref>Titanium Series 3" Unicron profile</ref> Integrated into his systems are incomprehensible quantum computers which calculate probabilities forward and backwards in time, in perpetuity, giving his processors an ever changing, evolving map of the multiverse.<ref>Profile, Transformers Fan Club newsletter, Aug/Sept 06</ref>

The only thing that he fears is Primus' essence, contained inside the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]].

Frequently, Unicron will make deals with lesser beings, giving them vast new powers in exchange for their servitude. These minions are sometimes stripped entirely of their free will, but others follow him willingly. Service to Unicron, however, is a double edged sword, for it causes insanity and loss of self. And in the end, no matter their intent, Unicron's plans ultimately call for their consumption as well.

:''Hungarian name'': '''Unikron''' or '''Unikornisz''' (Unicorn)<ref>Unikornisz, which is Hungarian for 'Unicorn' is used in only one dub of the 1986 movie.</ref>

==In the beginning==
[[Image:UK150Unicron.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Saay, that shield looks [[Decepticon|familiar]].]]
Before the dawn of time, Order and Chaos existed within an extra-dimensional entity known as [[The One]]. To explore the fledgling universe, he created the astral being known as Unicron, and then subdivided him, creating his twin, Primus. Both brothers were [[Multiversal singularity|multiversal singularities]], unique in all realities, but whereas Unicron could only exist in one dimension at a time, moving between them at will, Primus existed simultaneously in all realities at once. It is suggested, in fact, that the two brothers embody the basic concepts of reality—good and evil, order and chaos—and that their continued existence is necessary for the stability of the multiverse.

[[Image:Primusoriginal.jpg|right|180px|thumb|"No, [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] is ''[[RIBFIR|red]]!''"]]
As Unicron and Primus went about their appointed task, venturing through the cosmos, it became apparent to Primus that Unicron was a corrupt being, and he took it upon himself to stop the threat posed to all of existence by his sibling. In combat, Primus was no match for Unicron. In cunning, however, he proved himself to be his brother's superior when he shifted their battle to the astral plane, and then back to the physical world once more, only to have both their essences manifest within metallic planetoids, leaving them both trapped. It was with this act of sacrifice that Primus hoped to contain Unicron's evil forever. Unfortunately for him, over time, Unicron learned to psionically shape his prison into a giant metallic planet, and Primus followed suit, becoming the mechanical world of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. When Unicron then learned to transform his planetary form even further, into a gigantic robot form, Primus adapted the idea to suit his own ends, creating a group of [[Thirteen original Transformers|thirteen robots]] that possessed the ability to change shape, like Unicron.

The war between Unicron and Primus came to its seeming end during a climactic battle in which one of the Thirteen, who would forever afterwards be known as [[The Fallen]], betrayed Primus and became an acolyte of Unicron. The battle ended when the Fallen and Unicron were sucked into a black hole and disappeared from reality. With Unicron gone for now, Primus entered an eons-long slumber, his self-imposed sleep preventing Unicron from detecting him through the mental link the brothers shared.

===Evolution of the Primus/Unicron myth===
''The Primus/Unicron backstory has evolved and been rewritten a good number of times since it first originated in the [[Marvel Comics]] series. The version recounted above is the current iteration, which has slowly solidified across a wide swath of media (beginning around the time of [[Armada (franchise)|Armada]]). Before the Primus/Unicron mythos reached its present form it went through several distinct versions in the Marvel G1 comics and elsewhere.''

====Unicron's story====
''The first time we ever heard the Primus/Unicron backstory was in the UK comic continuity, from Unicron himself, in the story "[[The Legacy of Unicron!]]", when he recounted it to [[Death's Head (G1)|Death's Head]]. Per Unicron's telling of events, he was a primal force of evil at the dawn of the universe, who led a legion of [[Dark Armies]] against his mortal foe, Primus, Lord of the [[Light Gods]] (note the plural). Events proceeded to play out basically as described above, though the role of the Light Gods and Dark Armies would diminish with each subsequent retelling of the story, until the current version, in which Primus and Unicron are alone, and have a unique origin.''

====The Keeper's story====
''The second time the story was told was in the US book by the [[Keeper (Transformer)|Keeper]], an ancient mechanoid who guarded Primus' head at the center of Cybertron. This telling is effectively the same as the previous UK story, but mentions that their battle was towards the end of the era of gods, that Primus and Unicron were the last of their respective pantheons, and Primus had to defeat Unicron before he could take his place with the other gods in the "[[Omniversal Matrix]]".''

====Primus's story====
''The third time the story was told was also in the US Marvel series, this time by Primus, when he gathered all his children together to prepare for Unicron's coming. It was with this telling that we learned that Unicron predated the current universe, and had destroyed the previous universe which existed before the current one. He had slept peacefully, alone in the void of un-creation that remained, until fragments of the old universe that he had overlooked reacted, causing the Big Bang and birthing the current universe. The "sentient core" of this new universe recognized the threat that Unicron posed, and so created Primus to counter his evil and be guardian of the new creation.''

====Fleer and DK====
''The first modern retelling of the origins of Primus and Unicron did not come from G1-oriented media, but from a set of ''[[Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' trading cards released by Fleer. It was the backstory printed on Unicron's card which introduced the concept of the two being brothers created to explore the new universe by an extradimensional entity, here named the "[[Allspark]]."''

''This was subsequently expanded on and combined with aspects of the various Marvel Comics stories in ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'', published by Dorling Kindersley and written by [[Simon Furman]], who had written all three prior tellings in the first place. Here, the entity Fleer had called the "Allspark" was redubbed "[[The One]]", and the modern iteration of the myth detailed above was firmly established, and went on to form the backbone of subsequent fiction such as ''[[Universe (2003 franchise)|Universe]]'' and [[Fun Publications]]' ''[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'' comics.''

==Generation 1 continuity family==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
[[Image:Acolyte of unicron.jpg|right|100px|thumb|A Unicron cultist with mask. Or a cosplayer. Same thing.]]
Eventually, millions of years later, circa the Earth year 1990, a group of Transformers discovered the sleeping form of Primus at Cybertron's core. When a battle erupted, a stray laser blast struck Primus, briefly jolting the god awake and causing him to emit a multiverse-shaking "Primal Scream" that woke Unicron and alerted him to Primus' location. Primus himself immediately slipped back into his sleep, but it was too late. {{storylink|Primal Scream (issue)|Primal Scream}}

At some unspecified point in time, some time before an alternate future version of 2006, [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]] wins a battle against [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] inside Unicron. {{storylink|The Big Broadcast of 2006 (issue)|The Big Broadcast of 2006 (US)}}

{{note|In the UK version of the story, the events of "The Big Broadcast of 2006" are a fabrication invented by [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]].}}

Unicron re-created and dispatched a group of [[Hook, Line, and Sinker|heralds]] to retrieve a different [[Galvatron II|Galvatron]] {{storylink|All Fall Down (issue)|All Fall Down}} who was plucked from an [[Rhythms of Darkness!|alternate future]] in which Unicron had succeeded in consuming Cybertron. He sent all four of them to attack Cybertron and pave the way for his coming. {{storylink|The Gathering Storm}}

{{note|Unicron declares himself to not be the same entity that this future-Galvatron remembers. The "main timeline" Unicron being a different individual from "alternate future" Unicron is also asserted by Hook, Line, and Sinker. In subsequent years, the retcon establishment of Unicron as a multiversal singularity means that these claims can only be interpreted as lies. Either that, or, uhhh, just ignore them altogether.}}

So close to Cybertron he could ''taste it'', Unicron decided to forego consumption of the planet [[Jhi]] and hasten on his way to the ultimate confrontation. His herald Galvatron, however, was not content to serve under Unicron, and instead captured Autobot leader [[Emirate Xaaron]], forcing him to fully awaken Primus. Suspecting treachery on Galvatron's part, Unicron sent Hook, Line and Sinker to retrieve him from the screening subterranean tunnels of Cybertron, but Galvatron destroyed them, and Primus was woken from his slumber. Unicron's arch-foe possessed Xaaron's body and summoned Transformers from all across the universe back to Cybertron. {{storylink|Out of Time!}}

[[Image:Edgeofextinction-someonefight.jpg|right|150px|thumb|''He's got the whooooole world, in his feet...'']]
Unicron shut down his higher mental functions and drifted for the remainder of the journey to hide himself from detection by Primus. At this point, a mental command that Unicron had placed in some of Primus's creations was activated, resulting in the formation of a cult of Unicron-worshipers, who gathered to destroy the leader of the united Autobots and Decepticons. These [[Unicron cultist|Unicron cultists]] were drawn out when [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] was named commander of Primus's army. They tried to assassinate the [[Prime (rank)|Autobot leader]]; they failed, but distracted the Cybertronians long enough for Unicron to arrive. {{storylink|The Void! (US)|The Void!}}

Transforming back to robot mode upon arrival, he was somewhat disappointed to find that the gathered Transformers were simply so terrified of him that there was no resistance to his attack. Unicron destroyed Xaaron's body, robbing Primus of his avatar, but was then attacked by his former servant, Galvatron, whose first strike snapped the Transformers out of their collective stupor and began a counter-attack against the Chaos-Bringer. Briefly fazed by the illusion-casting powers of the [[human]] [[Neo-Knights|Neo-Knight]] [[Rapture]], Unicron's systems were attacked by the electrical powers of [[Circuit Breaker]]. Enraged that he had been made to feel pain, Unicron dispensed with his hands-on approach and transformed into planet mode to consume Cybertron, at which point Optimus Prime flew into Unicron's maw and opened the [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]], destroying the dark god. {{storylink|On the Edge of Extinction!}}

His body destroyed in this timeline, Unicron's essence moved to another plane of reality, and made continued attempts on Primus and Cybertrons across many other realities.

====Earthforce====
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''Due to unknown circumstances, Unicron was delayed in his advance towards Cybertron after the [[Primal Scream (issue)|Primal Scream]] and [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] was able to awaken the [[Underbase]]-offlined Autobots long before he arrived. {{storylink|Two Steps Back!}} While Grimlock formed [[Earthforce]], Optimus Prime continued to prepare the main force for Unicron's imminent arrival.'' {{storylink|Break-Away!}}

''However, with an attempted Decepticon alliance ruined beyond all recovery and the Matrix still lost, Optimus had to turn to the original site of the Underbase—as the Underbase was linked to the centre of Cybertron, the Autobots could tap into that centre (and thus Primus himself) as a substitute Matrix.'' {{storylink|The Magnificent Six!}} ''Since the Transformers are still around in 1992 in a story that could (via the [[Corrodia Gravis]] plot) be considered linked to Earthforce {{storylink|Destiny of the Dinobots!}}, it can be safely assumed that the Autobots did tap into that centre and when Unicron finally got around to arriving, they were able to ''shoot him with the core of the planet''. See what happens when you put off doing something?''
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====Marvel UK continuity====
[[Image:MarvelUK-253.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Wow, he sure fears the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]].]]
In the parallel timeline of [[Earth-120185]], Unicron did not arrive at Cybertron until the year 2006, consuming the small planet [[Lithone (planet)|Lithone]] on his way. As he drew closer to Cybertron, Unicron came upon the damaged bodies of Decepticon leader [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and several of his Decepticon followers, who had been jettisoned into space following a major battle at [[Autobot City]] on Earth. Unicron extended Megatron a bargain, offering to rebuild him and his troops into new beings to serve him, and tortured the recalcitrant Decepticon leader into accepting. {{storylink|The Planet Eater!}} Now reborn as [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], Megatron immediately began scheming to destroy his “master”, using a [[time-jump mechanism]] to travel back in time to 1986, where he constructed a solar cannon that was powerful enough to destroy Unicron's physical form. Fully aware of his pawn's actions, Unicron took control of the minds of [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], [[Kup (G1)|Kup]], and [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] and had them follow Galvatron back in time to foil his plan. {{storylink|Target: 2006}}

After Galvatron returned to 2006, Unicron subjected him to another torturing and sent him to continue his mission to steal the Matrix of Leadership. Galvatron succeeded, but when he attempted to use the Matrix against Unicron, Unicron transformed to robot mode and ate him for his impertinence. Unicron then proceeded to launch his attack on Cybertron, but as he tore into the planet, a [[Quintesson]] spaceship piloted by Hot Rod crashed into his eye, depositing its Autobot passengers inside his body. Hot Rod soon located Galvatron, reclaimed the Matrix and opened it within Unicron, destroying the planet-eater. {{storylink|The Final Battle!}}

Only Unicron's head survived the explosion of his body, and it floated off through space to eventually crash-land on the planet [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]]. There, the still-conscious Unicron used mind control to force the native [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]] to build him a new body out of the planet. At the beginning of 2008, he pulled [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and [[Death's Head (G1)|Death's Head]] into his thrall and used them to re-ignite the stalemated Cybertronian war in order to keep the Autobots distracted from his activities. Amused by Death's Head repeated attempts at defiance, he told him about his origin, only to find himself now under attack by Rodimus Prime and an Autobot strike-team.

This ''almost'' went wrong, as Rodimus (at Death's Head's suggestion) tried to use the power of the Matrix on the astral plane. Here, however, the Matrix ''strengthened'' Unicron and the monster intended to merge with it for greater power. Ultimately, however, he was defeated by [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], who had planted explosives under the head's building site while the Chaos-Bringer was distracted. His head was destroyed, and his mind was sealed within the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]. {{storylink|The Legacy of Unicron!}}

On New Year's Day 2009, Unicron attempted to turn the Matrix towards evil and merge with it again, the only way he could bear being trapped within it. {{storylink|White Fire}} He reached out from within it and took control of [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]]'s body, {{storylink|Edge of Impact}} only to be stopped when Kup ripped the talisman out of his chest. Unfortunately, this meant they lost their chance to purify the Matrix and that Unicron would be ready for them next time. {{storylink|White Fire}} In 2010, he repeated the trick and transformed Rodimus's body into a copy of his own before being forced back. In the far future of 2356, Unicron's essence still resides within the Matrix, steadily withering the struggling body of Rodimus. {{storylink|Aspects of Evil!}}

{{note|The concept that Transformer weaponry could destroy Unicron was never brought up again after "Target: 2006", and doesn't quite fit with the idea of Unicron as primordial demi-god. This was, however, written before Furman came up with that origin for the guy.}}

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===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Orson Welles]] (English, Movie), [[Roger C. Carmel]] (English, TV series), [[Mizuho Suzuki]] (Japanese, Movie), [[Toshio Ishii]] (Japanese, TV series)

In this universe, Unicron's body was constructed by the ancient genius known as [[Primacron]] at the dawn of the universe. Primacron had hoped that Unicron would scour the galaxy clean of life, leaving a blank slate for him to experiment upon, but naturally, Unicron had no desire to be the servant of another, and turned on Primacron, badly wounding him and his [[Oracle (G1)|assistant]], and setting out into the depths of space. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}

{{note|The cartoon's account of Unicron's origin is very much at odds with the current understanding of him as a multiveral singularity. This, of course, is because the cartoons were written long before the Marvel Comic storyline that created the Primus/Unicron myth, and ''much'' longer before the retcon that applied the story to all Transformer continuities. Consequently, the animated universe is easily the one piece of Transformer fiction that is least compatible with this retcon, but there has as yet been no attempt in official fiction to re-write Unicron's animated origin to tie in with it.}}

[[Image:TFTM_Unicron_Lithone.jpg|right|200px|thumb|I see you down there!]]

In the year 2005, Unicron made his most famous attack upon Cybertron. While heading towards the planet, he consumed the small world of [[Lithone (planet)|Lithone]], making it perfectly clear how great of a threat he was to the entire universe. As he continued on his way, Unicron's powers allowed him to become aware of the death of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]], who handed the [[Matrix of Leadership]] to [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] just before dying, which angered him tremendously. He then came upon the bodies of several wounded and dying Decepticons, who had been dumped into space following a [[Battle of Autobot City|recent battle]] on Earth. He extended a proposition to the Decepticons' leader, [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], offering to rebuild his body and those of his troops in exchange for their destruction of the Autobot Matrix of Leadership. Tortured into accepting, Megatron was transformed into [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], and his followers became [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], and the [[Sweep|Sweeps]].

[[Image:TFTM_Unicron_smashes_cybertron.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Unicron Smash!]]

While Galvatron set about reclaiming leadership of the Decepticons, Unicron arrived at Cybertron, and proceeded to consume the planet's two moons. Outraged that Unicron would do this to a planet that he viewed as his, Galvatron found himself the victim of mental torture by his creator, and ordered to Earth to complete the task given him. The ensuing chase finally climaxed in a showdown on the [[Junkion (planet)|Planet of Junk]], where Galvatron seized the Matrix and returned to Unicron, only to reveal that he intended to use the talisman to make Unicron his slave. Amused by his pawn's arrogance, Unicron transformed into his [[Scale|gigantic]] robot mode and ate Galvatron. Unicron then tore into Cybertron, as [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and the rest of the Decepticons on the planet fought back, to little effect. Unicron swallowed many spaceships, and one, which contained the young Autobot [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] and his comrades, crashed through Unicron's eye. Hot Rod and Galvatron battled deep inside Unicron, and ultimately, Hot Rod was able to retake the Matrix from the Decepticon. Transformed by its power into [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]], he defeated Galvatron and opened the Matrix inside Unicron, destroying his body from within. {{Storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}

[[Image:Unicron head orbit.jpg|180px|thumb|Incoming message from the [[Grand Mal|Big, Giant Head]]!]]

Unicron survived the destruction of his body, and was caught in Cybertron's gravity, becoming a new moon for the planet—a grisly testament to the satellites he had destroyed. Seeking to locate Galvatron, who had been hurled into space at the conclusion of his battle with Rodimus Prime, Cyclonus and Scourge visited Unicron's head and accessed the remaining databanks there, replaying footage of the final battle that allowed them to extrapolate Galvatron's trajectory and current location. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1}}

In the year 2006, the ghost of the deceased Decepticon [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] reactivated Unicron's head, in order to make a bargain with the Chaos-Bringer—in exchange for Unicron restoring his body, Starscream would recreate Unicron's. Stealing new optic circuits and a transformation cog for Unicron from [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] and [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]], Starscream was then directed to connect Unicron's head to Cybertron, so that the planet could become his new body. Starscream initially attempted to do this by using Trypticon's body, but Trypticon was deactivated by the Decepticons. Unicron restored Starscream's body so that he could finish the task, but Starscream (somewhat predictably, being Starscream) double-crossed the dark god and refused to complete the necessary connections. Just then, explosives set by the Autobots were detonated, hurling Unicron's head off the planet, beyond its gravity, and out into space. {{storylink|Ghost in the Machine}}

Later, seeking a supply of the dangerous particles known as [[Anti-electron|anti-electrons]], Galvatron and the Decepticons traveled to Unicron's head, only to come under attack from the defenses of the barely-aware giant. Also present was the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]], [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], who used components from Unicron's head to create the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]] to fight Galvatron's forces. The Technobot [[Strafe (G1)|Strafe]] disconnected enough of Unicron's internal mechanisms to deactivate his systems. {{storylink|Grimlock's New Brain}}

====Japanese cartoon continuity====
=====Kiss Players/Teletraan Go! Go!=====
[[Image:TGGUni1.jpg|left|180px|thumb|Bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha]]
Following his destruction in 2005, Unicron's [[Angolmois|lifeforce]] was scattered across time and space, fragmented and parasitized into Autobot and [[Maximal]] leaders throughout history. In 2007, three of his servants, the [[Sparkbot|Sparkbots]], sought to recreate their master, and tricked the human singing group, the [[Kiss Players (singing group)|Kiss Players]]—[[Marissa Faireborn]], [[Atari Hitotonari]] and [[Shaoshao Li]]—into helping them in their task by telling them that they were gathering the fragments of the so-called "Allspark."

[[Image:TGGUni2.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Oh god ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha]]
[[Primus]] was forced to take action to stop their mission, appearing as a giant golden hand to steal away the energy fragments before the Sparkbots could collect them, but eventually, the evil trio collected enough to accomplish their dire task. Fleeing back in time to [[Earth]]'s prehistoric past, they unleashed the energy and Unicron began to form around them. Following the Sparkbots back to the past, Primus unleashed the full firepower of his mobile battle platform's cannon, sealing Unicron's energy and the Sparkbots deep within the planet. He then created the mighty [[Fortress Maximus (RID)|Fortress Maximus]] to serve as a guardian and ensure that the evil being was never again reborn. {{storylink|Kiss Players (radio drama)|Kiss Players radio drama #51}}

Unfortunately for everyone except Unicron, Fortress Maximus would go onto leave the Earth in 2007, leaving the chaos-bringer's life-force unguarded. {{storylink|Kiss Players (radio drama)|Kiss Players radio drama #39}}
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=====''Beast Wars II'' cartoon=====
At some point in the far future, human beings discovered Unicron's lifeforce within the Earth, and attempted to harness it for their own means. This resulted in the devastation of the planet Earth, reducing it to a ruin, but the fame of this "mysterious energy" that had been called "[[Angolmois]]" was far-reaching, and eventually, tens of thousands of years after the end of the Great War between the Autobots and Decepticons, the Predacon leader [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] attempted to harvest it for himself. {{storylink|The New Forces Arrive!}} Using his artificial planet, [[Nemesis (BWII)|Nemesis]], he sucked all the Angolmois energy out of the planet and into the craft. However, after the interference of [[Lio Convoy]] and [[Lio Junior]], all the Angolmois energy was sealed into capsules and ejected from Nemesis as it self-destructed. {{storylink|Farewell, Lio Convoy!}}

=====''Beast Wars Neo'' cartoon=====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Tetsuo Komura]] (Japanese)

[[Image:BWNeo Unicron.JPG|left|180px|thumb|Unicron didn't take kindly to being part of the Macy's Parade.]]
Teams of Maximals and Predacons, led by [[Big Convoy]] and [[Magmatron]] respectively, then raced to collect the Angolmois capsules, as their energy effects were wreaking havoc on planets all over the galaxy. {{storylink|Big Convoy, Move Out|Big Convoy, Move Out}} They eventually collected all the capsules only to find themselves attacked by the mysterious and freakish [[Blendtron|Blendtrons]]. The Blendtrons, in truth servants of Unicron seeking to engineer his rebirth, proved nearly invincible, and stole the capsules from each team. {{storylink|Mysterious Beast Warriors!?}} They released the Angolmois energy and allowed it to possess Galvatron's dead body, restoring Unicron to life in a new form. Unicron proceeded to absorb the last remaining ounce of stray Angolmois energy—the Blendtrons themselves—and left to settle his score with Cybertron. [[Great Convoy]], attempted to hold Unicron off with the entire Maximal armada, but Unicron's fiery serpent mode proved too much and he effortlessly destroyed the armada and Great Convoy along with it. Unicron then possessed [[Vector Sigma]], the mother computer of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], effectively possessing the planet, and morphed Cybertron into his new body. {{storylink|Unicron's Ambition}}

Unicron then briefly exited Vector Sigma to deal with the last remaining Cybertronian resistance. {{storylink|The Final Battle (BWN)|The Final Battle}} Big Convoy, his Maximal new recruits, Lio Convoy and Magmatron all fought side-by-side against Unicron, but all they managed to do was stall him. Big Convoy then powered up his Big Cannon with his own [[Energon Matrix|Matrix]], transforming it into the Matrix Buster. Big Convoy shot Unicron with the weapon, the powerful blast seemingly destroying the Chaos Bringer. Unicron's spirit was then evicted from Vector Sigma, returning Cybertron to normal. {{storylink|Graduation Ceremony!!}}

====Japanese ''Beast Wars'' comic continuity====

=====''Beast Wars II'' manga=====
After his destruction in 2005, Unicron's displaced lifeforce was trapped within the planet Earth, where it was eventually discovered and manipulated by humankind. This resulted in the devastation of the planet, but the fame of this "mysterious energy" that had been called "[[Angolmois]]" was far-reaching, and eventually, tens of thousands of years after the end of the Great War between the Autobots and Decepticons, the Predacon leader [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] attempted to harvest it for himself. {{storylink|Beast Wars II (manga)}}
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=====''Beast Wars Neo'' comic=====
On the planet Gaea, a group of Predacons somehow came into possession of a mysterious spheroid object known as the '''Black Ball'''. The strange artifact was of some importance to the Predacons; it may in fact have told Magmatron that he could rule the galaxy once he had the seven [[Angolmois]] capsules.

When Big Convoy came to rescue [[Longrack (BWN)|five]] [[Break|Maximal]] [[Cohrada|rookies]] [[Stampy|who]] [[Heinrad|were trapped]] in the Predacon base on Gaea, the Maximals found the Black Ball and retrieved it. {{storylink|The Five Rookies}}

After the Maximal returned to the ''[[Gung Ho]]'', they attempted to analyze the Black Ball. However, the Black Ball activated the ship's warp engine. During the warp, the Black Ball began to speak, telling the Maximals about the Angolmois capsules, which originated from the final conflict between [[Lio Convoy]] and [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] on the [[Nemesis (BWII)|Nemesis]]. It also told them that there were seven Angolmois energy capsules scattered across the galaxy in total. The Maximals were warned that they must retrieve all the capsules to prevent them from falling into the wrong hands, or the galaxy would be in extreme danger. The ''Gung Ho'' subsequently arrived at the planet [[Sandron (planet)|Sandron]], where one of the capsules was located. {{storylink|There Are Seven Capsules}}

The Black Ball guided Big Convoy's team to various other places where capsules were located.

When Magmatron, who was in the healing room due to wounds caused by Big Convoy, learned that he [[Guiledart|lost]] [[Saberback|his]] [[Sling|main]] [[Dead End (BWN)|troops]] in the battle on [[Jörmungandr]], the Black Ball suddenly showed up from nowhere. The Black Ball told Magmatron that it could see he was short-handed. The Black Ball offered Magmatron some "helpers"—the [[Blendtron|Blendtrons]], who emerged from within the Black Ball. {{storylink|A Battle Fought Alone}}

The Black Ball told both Big Convoy and Magmatron of the planet where the last capsule was located. Magmatron faced off with Big Convoy there, and ordered the Blendtrons to attack the Maximals. One of the Blendtrons, however, chose to attack Magmatron instead. The action of the Blendtrons baffled both Big Convoy and Magmatron alike. The Black Ball then arrived on the planet's surface. {{storylink|Double Cross}}

It was revealed that the Black Ball was actually Unicron himself, or more specifically, his essence, while the Angolmois energy was his life force. Unicron absorbed the six capsules and reformed his head out of the Black Ball. He then revealed that the last capsule was actually Big Convoy and Magmatron, who were evolved by the power of the Angolmois capsule on their home planet. {{storylink|Double Cross}}

Big Convoy teamed up with Magmatron to fight against Unicron, but failed. Big Convoy was saved by [[Heinrad]], while Magmatron was chewed up and spat out by Unicron. After dealing with the Transformers, Unicron headed to the planet Cybertron. He latched onto the planet like a parasite and turned it into his new body. {{storylink|Double Cross}}

Unicron desired to consume Big Convoy, the last half of the capsule, in order to make his right eye fully functional once more. His physical body was destroyed by Big Convoy after a harsh battle with Big Convoy's crew. However, Unicron's essence emerged from his physical remains and plastered itself onto Big Convoy's body, trying to possess him. Big Convoy removed the [[Energon Matrix|Matrix]] from his chest and unleashed its power, sacrificing himself and successfully destroying Unicron once and for all. {{storylink|Return to Zero}}

===Dreamwave Generation 1 comics continuity===
Unicron hovered in the background in this universe, an unseen and unknown presence. His servant, [[The Fallen]], tried to bring about his second coming by breaking the [[Seal of Primus]], but failed. {{storylink|War Within: The Dark Ages}} Unicron sent a wave of drones and heralds into the universe, with the Alpha Drone Scourge arriving on Cybertron 3000 years ago; he ended the [[Great Shutdown]] when he reactivated Shockwave for research purposes. {{storylink|Generation One issue 0}} Shockwave happily shot him and experimented on him, and would later cause an energy spike that woke Unicron up (it's unknown if he meant to, but presumably he didn't). {{storylink|Revelation (War and Peace)|Revelation}}

Unicron went on a course towards Earth, porking his way through the planet [[Lithone (planet)|Lithone]] and creating a new servant Cyclonus in the process.

{{note|He was going to be part of a big plotline in 2005, starting from #13 {{storylink|Unreleased Dreamwave issues}}, but even Unicron's might was helpless against Pat Lee's business skills. Due to the Dreamwave bankruptcy, it's unknown what Unicron's agenda was (besides killing everyone).}}

===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
Here, Unicron enslaved the population of the worlds he ate to maintain his inner works; one race included the [[Battle Beasts]]. He is known about in Transformer legend, and is said to have been banished from his homeworld.

[[Image:Unicron's DDP Brain.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Who needs all those TV monitors, anyway?]]
Thousands of years ago, when humanity was at a primitive stage, Unicron turned up to devour the Earth. The ancestors of [[Cobra-La]], however, had developed a metal-eating spore that could potentially kill Unicron. They came to an agreement—they would go into exile, while Unicron would merely eat human civilisation once it had developed to a useful point. Eventually they did, and Unicron began broadcasting announcements of "I Return" as he headed towards Earth. {{storylink|Black Horizon, Part 1 of 2|Black Horizon Part 1}}

Unicron reached Earth and transformed so as to consume civilisation in robot form. [[Japan]] was devastated and humanity collectively wet itself. But the world was saved by [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]] and [[Flint (G.I. Joe)|Flint]], who flew into the Chaos-Bringer and doused his organic looking brain with Cobra-La's metal-eating spores. Unicron was killed, the world was saved, and [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] went on to explore the dead monster's innards. {{storylink|Black Horizon, Part 2 of 2|Black Horizon Part 2}}

{{note|With no mention of the Primus/Unicron mythology (instead mentioning a banishment), the willingness to only eat parts of worlds and leave their populations alive to serve him, and his death-by-fungus, Unicron in Devil's Due does differ ever-so-slightly from his depiction by other companies. This story was published '''after''' the retcon saying the Primus/Unicron myth applies to all continuities, yet seems to be ignoring it.}}

===Beast Era cartoon continuity===
{{note|From most stories of Unicron told in this continuity, it is apparent that he staged an attack upon Cybertron in 2005 as he did in several other timelines, and that his head orbited Cybertron following his destruction as it did in the Generation 1 cartoon.}}

====3H comics====
[[Image:Unicrons dark essence.jpg|left|180px|thumb|Even Unicron's crap is evil.]]
[[Image:Matrix of conquest.jpg|right|150px|thumb|The Evil Galactic Starfish of Conquest served as a container for Unicron’s power.]]
In yet ''another'' timeline that followed his destruction in 2005, Unicron's essence was again sent spiraling through time and space, to crash on prehistoric Earth, prior to the conflict known as the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]] which would occur on the planet. It is unclear if this was a deliberate attempt by Unicron to preserve his power or not, but this "dark essence" seemed to lack any real sentience, suggesting that it was merely Unicron's "power," while his spark remained in his intact head in the future.

The dark essence was discovered by a [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] known as the Hunter, who recognized the dark god's power, and fashioned from the essence the [[Matrix of Conquest]], a twisted version of the Autobot Matrix of Leadership which he used to conquer and rule over an apocalyptic 32nd Century future, under the name "[[Shokaract]]". Resistance against Shokaract resulted in an attempt by his opponents to travel back and time and destroy the dark essence on prehistoric Earth, thereby erasing Shokaract from history, but the villain travelled back in time to stop this effort. A massive battle between him and Transformers from throughout the multiverse ensued, but eventually, thanks to the efforts of the [[Covenant]], history was altered so that Unicron's essence never arrived on prehistoric Earth, erasing this timeline—and Shokaract—from existence. {{storylink|Terminus}}

====''Beast Wars'' cartoon====
Starscream explained that he became a ghost by saving [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] from a blast from Unicron. Later it was explained that it was actually Galvatron himself who killed Starscream. {{storylink|Possession}}
When the [[Vok]] spoke with [[Optimus Primal]] in Earth's pre-history, they took the form of Unicron's head, claiming that they scanned his mind and chose Unicron as an "authority figure". {{storylink|Other Voices, Part 1|Other Voices, Part 1}}

====IDW ''Beast Wars'' comics====
Sometime after a series of events similar to those of [[Lio Convoy]] and [[Big Convoy]]'s [[Beast Wars II (franchise)|experiences]] [[Beast Wars Neo (franchise)|on]] [[Gaea]] in another universe, Unicron's heralds, the [[Blendtron|Blendtrons]], were instructed by the Chaos Bringer's essence to gather the [[Angolmois]] capsules scattered across the galaxy, which contained Unicron's energy. The taint of [[Angolmois]] would cause unrest and violence across Cybertron as the planet tore itself apart in renewed savage mindless conflict. At the same time, Unicron's chosen yet unwitting vessel, Shokaract, was fed Angolmois by the Blendtrons, having been convinced that it would grant him the power to be reborn as a god. In one potential timeline, this did indeed happen as Unicron was reborn from Shokaract's corrupted form, and the Chaos Bringer proceeded to consume Cybertron itself.

However, this was averted before it came to pass—thanks to the actions of the in-temporal-limbo [[Magmatron]], who alerted [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] and by extension Lio Convoy to Unicron's plan and enlightened Shokaract when the tyrant was temporarily shunted into Magmatron's personal purgatory. Realizing what his ascension actually entailed, Shokaract tore a Dead Matrix of some sort from his chest, sacrificing himself and ending Unicron's latest plan at re-ascension.
{{storylink|The Ascending}}

====''Beast Machines'' cartoon====
During Megatron's rule of Cybertron, [[Rattrap]] once compared the Predacon's [[Grand Mal|big floating head]] as a "monument to Unicron", implying that the Chaos Bringer's head orbited Cybertron after his defeat. By the time of Megatron's rule, however, it had apparently left the planet's orbit, as it was never seen. {{storylink|Prometheus Unbound}}

====''Universe'' (2003)====
[[Image:UnicronDeathstarII.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Guys. GUYS. Get that ring in the right place, or he'll never be able to eat.]]
Just as the Transformers were beginning to settle into post-[[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicon]] life on the newly-technorganic Cybertron, Unicron struck once more. His body ruined and trapped between dimensions, he sought to revitalize himself by abducting Transformers from across the multiverse and pitting them against each other within his own body, absorbing their [[energon radiation]] and eventually consuming their sparks. He chose to kidnap several Autobots and Maximals from the technorganic Cybertron, but that was also the staging ground from which Primus chose to launch a counterattack. Primus gathered an army from many different universes and put the resurrected [[Optimus Primal]] at its head. {{storylink|Abduction}}

These "[[Child of Primus|Children of Primus]]" raided Unicron to free his captives from their prison cities, battling Unicron's own legion of "[[Minion of Unicron|Minions]]" all the while. [[Universe war|These conflicts]] escalated for months or perhaps longer, their intensity rivaling the [[Cybertronian Civil Wars|Great Wars]].<ref>Optimus Primal's bio in the [[Revelations Part 3|Transformers Collectors' Club comic #9]]</ref> This all came to an abrupt end during the final battle, when Unicron simply vanished due somehow to the [[Unicron Singularity]]. {{storylink|Revelations Part 2}}
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==Unicron Trilogy==
{{note|The [[Unicron Trilogy]], the series of Transformers franchises that includes ''[[Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'', ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'', and ''[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'', was so named by Hasbro designer [[Aaron Archer]] because of Unicron's importance in each story.}}
===Dreamwave comics continuity===
====''Armada''====
[[Image:Unicronarmada.jpg|left|150px|thumb|"For a time, I considered sparing your giant invisible sandwich."]]
After successfully devouring the Cybertron of a previously unseen dimension, Unicron sent a group of heralds—incarnations of [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]], [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], and [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]—to prepare the next universe for his coming. As forewarning, he also sent the near-dead body of the [[Optimus Prime (Worlds Collide)|Optimus Prime]] of that other dimension, which was discovered by the Autobots of the next universe. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 1 of 4}}

Unicron was ultimately defeated by [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Jet Optimus]], the combined form of this universe's Optimus Prime and [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]], who were infused with extra [[Mini-Con]] power. However, during his attack on Cybertron, he had managed to kidnap [[Airazor (Armada)|Airazor]], [[Cheetor (Armada)|Cheetor]], [[Rhinox (Armada)|Rhinox]] and [[Terrorsaur (Armada)|Terrorsaur]], and would see them forged into new heralds in the interim. This universe's [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]], having made a bid for Unicron's power, was standing on the surface of the planet-eater when he was destroyed, and his body was also lost, his spark trapped within Unicron's remains. {{storylink|The End}}

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====''Energon''====
{{cleanup|February 2009|Unicron appeared a fair bit more than this}}

His broken body left floating in space after his defeat, Unicron employed the go-between [[Alpha Quintesson]] to see to his continued survival. Alpha Quintesson gathered together a group of Decepticon dissidents and transformed them into "[[Terrorcon (Energon)|Terrorcons]]", although he himself was not overly thrilled with his position of enforced servitude. {{storylink|This Evil Reborn}} At the same time, Megatron had been using Unicron's powers and internal mechanisms to fashion a new body for himself, unbeknownst to Unicron himself. {{storylink|Multiplicity}}

{{note|Due to the sudden demise of [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]], the conclusion of this story remains unknown. Presumably, since you are alive and reading this, Unicron did not go on to consume the Omniverse. Or did he? For all we know he may be heading to our universe as we speak.}}

===Cartoon continuity===
Unicron was evidently very active in this dimension at various points in time, although the precise chronological order of his activities is unclear.

At some undetermined point in the past of this universe, Unicron was approached by the survivors of [[Planet X (Cybertron)|Planet X]], a world that had been destroyed in a war with the inhabitants of the Giant Planet, [[Gigantion]]. In return for the chance to gain revenge on Gigantion, the survivors swore loyalty to Unicron, and "Planet X" became something of a code-phrase that identified those in the service of the planet-eater.

{{note|Liner notes included with the DVD release of ''Galaxy Force'' in [[Japan]] claim that Planet X is actually the body of Unicron from another parallel dimension. This would not appear to be compatible with the Western storyline, nor, indeed, with the date later given to the planet's destruction on the [[TakaraTomy]] "[http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/bible/index.html World of the Transformers]" website.}}
Additionally, Cybertronian legend refers to an attack by Unicron on the planet that was ultimately thwarted by the mighty Autobot warrior, [[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Omega Supreme]].

====''Armada'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Mark Acheson]] (English), [[Katsumi Chō]] (Japanese)

Unicron's first attack on Cybertron in the present day was an indirect one, over a million years in the making, begun when he opted to disguise his dormant body as Cybertron's moon. From this secret vantage point, he implanted his own cells within the planet, where they germinated and grew into the small race of robots known as the [[Mini-Con|Mini-Cons]]. Unicron hoped to use the Mini-Cons to increase the ferocity of the Autobot/Decepticon war, and feed off of the energies released in the conflict, but an encounter with a group of [[Rad White| time-displaced]] [[Carlos Lopez| human]] [[Alexis| children]] planted the seed of sentience and free will within the Mini-Cons, who ultimately rebelled against their creator and fled Cybertron, crash-landing on the planet Earth. {{storylink|Origin}}

When the Mini-Cons were reawakened a million years later in 2010, they were detected by the Autobots and Decepticons, who followed their signal to Earth. {{storylink|First Encounter}} Unicron also picked up the signal, and dispatched his minion [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]], an inhabitant of Planet X who would occasionally serve as an avatar for Unicron's spark, to carry on his work. {{storylink|Gale}} Sideways escalated the conflict by manipulating control of the three Mini-Con weapons, the [[Star Saber (Armada)|Star Saber]], the [[Skyboom (Armada)|Skyboom]] shield and the [[Requiem Blaster]], but eventually arranged for all three to be returned to Cybertron, where he stole them and used them to reawaken Unicron.

[[Image:ArmadaUnicron02.jpg|right|200px|thumb|The Power Cosmic gives you wrinkles.]]
Shedding his moon disguise and transforming to robot mode, Unicron turned on Cybertron, only to be met with resistance in the form of the united armada of Autobots and Decepticons {{storylink|Alliance (episode)|Alliance}}, and his own Mini-Cons, who had linked together and formed a giant duplicate of his body. {{storylink|Union}} Now at full power, however, it was child's play for Unicron to exert control over his creations, and bring the Mini-Cons under his thumb once more. Again, it was thanks to the Autobots' human allies—the same children who had been sent back in time and given the Mini-Cons free will in the first place—that the Mini-Cons struggled free of Unicron's control, including the three Mini-Con weapons, who broke free and left Unicron's body deactivated. Believing the threat over, [[Megatron (Armada)|Galvatron]] then challenged Optimus Prime to their final battle, only for the hatred and ferocity of their fight to awaken Unicron once more. To end the circle of hate that gave Unicron life, Galvatron allowed himself to be consumed by the monster, and in a brilliant flash of light, Unicron apparently ceased to exist. {{storylink|Mortal Combat}}

====''Energon'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[David Kaye]], [[Mark Acheson]] (English), [[Nobutoshi Canna]] (Japanese), [[Fredrik Beckmann]] (Swedish)

{{cleanup|February 2009|Needs storylinks.}} [[Image:Energon Unicron.jpg|left|180px|thumb|Unicron sported [[Neon|awesome]] [[Black_repaint|colors]] during ''Energon''.]]
In truth, however, Unicron had survived, and for the next ten years, continued to consume planets in other regions of space. One such planet was the world known as [[Planet Q]], whose inhabitants fought back by detonating the planet's core in Unicron's face. Badly damaged by the explosion, Unicron fell into a state of dormancy, but the life essence of the planet's ruler—the being who would come to be known as [[Alpha Quintesson|Alpha Q]]—continued to exist within him, and began a not-entirely-sane plan to use Unicron's powers to recreate everything the Chaos-Bringer had ever destroyed. Recreating the armies of Planet Q as "Terrorcons," Alpha Q had them attack Autobot facilities on Earth and throughout the [[solar system]] to gather the [[Energon (Energon)|Energon]] that would be necessary for his plan to work.

Unbeknownst to Alpha Q, Megatron's corpse and spark remained within Unicron, and he slowly siphoned off some of the gathered Energon, allowing him to be reborn in his own new body. To escape Megatron's fury, Alpha Q jettisoned Unicron's head and escaped in it, while Megatron took over Unicron's body, and continued to gather Energon in order to rebuild Unicron to use as his ultimate weapon. As the climax of this plan neared, a joint attack by Alpha Q, the Autobots and their human allies saw all of Earth's Energon channeled into Unicron's head, which Alpha Q then rammed into Unicron's body. The positively-charged Energon of Earth reacted with the negatively-charged Energon running through Unicron, tearing open a fissure in reality leading to a new area of space where planets Unicron consumed were recreated, and sustained through the Energon radiated from Unicron's head, which had now become a glowing red sun.

[[Image:Unicron eats blizzard.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Unicron should stop eating so many Blizzards.]]
Unicron's body, damaged once more, lay in the dark reaches near the fissure, and the Decepticons began to raid Alpha Q's new planets for the Energon necessary to revive Unicron again. This time, they succeeded, and Megatron directed Unicron's body to retrieve his head, extinguishing the Energon Sun and killing Alpha Q in the process. But the power of Unicron proved too much for Megatron to control, as Unicron began to take over Megatron's body. The Autobots made a valiant but futile attempt to stop him, but Unicron decimated them. Just as things seemed hopeless, a surge of power came that allowed Optimus-Supreme to grow to Unicron's size and powered up the other Autobots, and after a long and hard battle Optimus destroyed Unicron's body.

None of the Transformers were aware, however, that Unicron lived on in two forms: his miniscule Spark, floating in space, and his consciousness, which lay buried in Megatron's mind. With quiet, subconscious nudging, Unicron led Megatron to a massive reservoir of "[[Super Energon]]" beneath Cybertron's surface, which transformed him into Galvatron upon his first exposure. After a series of failed battles, Galvatron proceeded to expose himself to the Super Energon once again, and this time grew to a gigantic height. Unicron seized control of his body again for a new vessel and set out to rejoin with his Spark, but a Primus-empowered Optimus Supreme engaged him in battle once more, and drew all of Unicron's consciousness out of Galvatron and sealed it within his own Spark.

Enraged, Galvatron prepared to destroy Unicron's Spark, but it merged with him, enlarging him again, leading to another battle with Optimus Supreme, this time bolstered by the combined energy of all his troops' Sparks. Meanwhile, Primus merged with the Super Energon, creating a foundling sun which arrived at the site of the battle. Taking control of his body for a brief moment, Galvatron made the decision to plunge himself into the infant sun to rid himself of Unicron's possession. The super energon mass, having now received Unicron's spark, ignited into a powerful red sun which gave new life to Alpha Q's worlds. {{storylink|The Sun}}

====''Cybertron'' cartoon====
[[Image:Unicronsingularity.jpg|left|150px|thumb|The cause of—and solution to—all of our continuity problems.]]
Primus's plan to trap Unicron in the heart of a new sun failed when the star collapsed into a massive [[Unicron Singularity|black hole]] (sometimes known as the "Unicron Singularity") that threatened the entire multiverse. {{storylink|Fallen (episode)|Fallen}}

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====''Cybertron'' comic====
[[Image:Unicroncybertron.jpg|right|150px|thumb|The Planet-Eater's back, and you're gonna be in trouble.]]
Unicron's heralds [[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]] and [[Nemesis Prime (Universe 2003)|Nemesis Prime]] arrived on Cybertron, intent on unleashing the [[Dead Matrix]] on Primus's vulnerable essence—as the Matrix was the antithesis of Unicron, so too would the Dead Matrix ensure the destruction of Primus, thereby totally destabilizing the multiverse and reducing it to a sea of entropic chaos. For the first time, it would be possible for Unicron to strike at Primus in all realities simultaneously, ending their cosmic feud once and for all.

Ramjet and Nemesis Prime were ultimately stopped by Vector Prime and allies [[Sentinel Maximus]] and [[Omega Prime]], plucked from the midst of the ''Universe'' conflict by the multiverse-warping energies of the black hole. The Dead Matrix, however, was taken by Unicron's servant [[Soundwave (Cybertron)|Soundwave]] and cast into the heart of the black hole, freeing Unicron's spark, which entered the planet [[Yst]] and immediately began to sow chaos and disorder. Re-energized by the hatred and violence than ran rampant on Yst, Unicron formed a new, diminutive body for himself, born into the universe when Yst exploded.

During the time that followed, from behind the scenes Unicron orchestrated a civil war between the Mini-Cons stationed on Cybertron's moons. {{storylink|Revelations Part 4}} When Sentinel Maximus led a team of Autobots to stamp out the escalating conflict, Unicron's involvement was revealed, but before he could achieve victory, Primus was reawakened, and the Dark God fled as Cybertron transformed into its robot mode. {{storylink|Revelations Part 6}}

===''Transformers'' (Armada) game===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Matthew King]] (English)

After the Autobots defeated the Decepticons on [[Earth]] and had secured the majority of the Mini-Cons there, Unicron made his appearance above Cybertron, intent on destroying the planet. Optimus Prime's team of Autobots and the Mini-Cons returned home via a warp gate to see the Chaos Bringer unleash a wave of destruction upon the great cities of their planet. The Mini-Cons joined together to form the [[Matrix Cannon]], the [[Vanguard Booster]] and the [[Nemesis Shield]] for the Autobots to use against Unicron. The Autobots flew into Unicron's maw and blasted their way into his energy core, damaging it enough to send Unicron spiralling out of control and destroying him. {{storylink|Transformers (Melbourne House)|Transformers}}

==Movie (2007)==
===Titan Magazines===

{{quote|I'm certain I can speak for all those pledged to the Decepticon cause when I say Unicron spells one thing, and that's trouble with a capital 'running and screaming'.|Barricade, [[Transformers Comic issue 2.6|#6 (Vol.2)]]}}

While the Transformer race appears ignorant of Unicron, [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] has knowledge of him and encountered him {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 12|#12's Star Screams}} in an event where Unicron attempted to devour Cybertron. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 19|#19's Star Screams}} We don't know how Starscream witnessed this (did he hop dimensions?) but it has left him terrified. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 17|#17's Star Screams}}

In 2009, both [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] and [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] would also be aware of Unicron's existence. His sheer might scared him. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.6|#6's Law and Disorder}}

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[[Image:Unicron Titan19.JPG|left|200px|thumb|"The psoriasis is barely slowing him down!"]]
[[Stockade (Movie)|Stockade]] and his Decepticon chums attempted to rebirth Cybertron by sending out a summons that would attract any entity related to the lost [[AllSpark (Movie)|All Spark]], and then drawing that entity into Cybertron once it arrived.

As that entity announced itself to be '''"Unicron the Anti-Life!"''', they felt like a right bunch of plonkers. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 18|Return to Cybertron: Part 2}}

Unicron moved swiftly, transforming Cybertron into a scarier looking physical form and causing the planet's surface to becoming hostile to the Transformers on it. Stockade's attempts at communication were met with contempt and a strange attack. The new Unicron then warped into the Sol system, shot down an Autobot shuttle, and went "OM NOM NOM" at the sight of Earth. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 19|Return to Cybertron: Part 3}}

The downed Autobots regrouped with Stockade's Decepticons and worked to take away the [[Nucleon]] that was powering Unicron's physical form. They succeeded in this by causing it to blow up and catch fire, which caused Unicron to draw on more Nucleon to recover, which fueled the fire and so on until the source ran out. Unicron disappeared, though whether he's dead or just gone is ambigious. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 20|Return to Cybertron: Part 4}}

Either way, the changes Unicron had made to Cybertron remained. The teleportation equipment he'd created was used by the Autobots to finally end the war. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 25|Revolution Part Three}}

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==Toys==
{{main|Unicron/toys}}

==Trivia==
[[Image:Model-TheEntity.jpg|right|100px|thumb|Flamboyantcron.]]
* Before the Transformers brand even existed, Takara designer [[Hiroyuki Hataike]] drew up a "Planet-Robot" toy for the [[Micro Change|Microchange]] line, a design that would eventually inspire Unicron.

* In early preproduction for ''The Transformers: The Movie'', Unicron was referred to as the '''Entity'''.

* A model sheet from later in the movie's preproduction revealed that, at one point, the ''planet'' Unicron would turn into the ''robot'' '''Ingestor'''. This idea was, obviously, dropped before the film's release.

* When Unicron exploded in the Marvel Comics continuity ("[[On the Edge of Extinction!]]"), the tear in existence his destruction caused resulted in the creation of the [[Classics (2006)|Classics]] universe. This [[splinter timeline]] began overwriting the [[Tonka GoBots]] universe. That's right. Unicron killed the GoBots. <ref>According to the Collectors' Club text story, [[Withered Hope]].</ref>

*[[Roberto Orci]] was interested in having Unicron in ''[[Transformers 3]]''.[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/ask-roberto-orci-roundup-january-14---mythology-money-shots-jolt-military-and-bringing-chaos-166603/]

* Unicron has the ability to create [[tainted world]]s, but none yet have been discovered.
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==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Unicron/Unicron/unicron.htm Unicron on TFU.info]
*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Unicron Unicron's Universe profile at NFTA.net]
*[http://www.transformersontheshelf.com/UnicronPage Unicron (toy) History]
*[http://www.transformertoys.co.uk/content.php?/pages/transformers-reviews/gallery/766/micron+legend/Green+Unicron+%28Lucky+Draw%29.html Photo gallery and review of Green Lucky Draw Unicron]
*[http://www.transformertoys.co.uk/content.php?/transformers-gallery/merchandise/25/merchandise/Unicron+Japanese+Store+Display.html Inflatable Unicron store display gallery]

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Talk:Starscream (episode)

2010-01-06T20:18:26Z

Chipmonk328:

"The reign of Starscream is begun!" is that proper grammar?--[[User:chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
EDIT: Sorry, I figured I'd explain why there were so many edits on this: I didn't think I'd have that much to add each time, so I was editing ''as'' I watched the episode. Forgive that please.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
:Yes it is proper grammar.[[Special:Contributions/97.82.152.134|97.82.152.134]] 11:28, 6 January 2010 (EST)

"has begun." sounds better to me..but maybe its the context or something. --[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

Talk:Starscream (episode)

2010-01-06T14:34:14Z

Chipmonk328:

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2010-01-06T14:31:35Z

Chipmonk328: New page: I'm just itching to come up with a Joke about Optimus repaints and how when Ultra Magnus finally isn't..Scourge was created..but I got nothin'. If anybody thinks of anything, maybe add it ...

I'm just itching to come up with a Joke about Optimus repaints and how when Ultra Magnus finally isn't..Scourge was created..but I got nothin'. If anybody thinks of anything, maybe add it to the page with this picture in the comic its in? (Sorry if what I just said was garbled up. I'm tired.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

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2010-01-06T14:17:00Z

Chipmonk328: New page: I wasn't completely sure what to put for this article, but felt it odd that no one had put anything.. so hopefully I gave a good starting point for people to do whatever with.--[[User:Chip...

Starscream (episode)

2010-01-06T14:08:30Z

Chipmonk328: /* Real world references */

{{disambig3|Starscream}}

{{episode
|series=Cybertron
|ep=29
|series2=Galaxy Force
|ep2=30
|title="Starscream"
|japanese=野望の王邪心全開
|romaji=Yabō no Ō Jashin Zenkai
|translation=The King of Treachery—Evil Completely Unleashed
|image=Cyb_ep29_super_screamer.jpg
|caption=
|production code=
|production company=[[TV Aichi]], [[We've]], [[Tōkyū Agency]]
|writer=[[Hiro Masaki]]
|director=[[Naotaka Hayashi]]
|animation studio=[[GONZO]]
|airdate=[[July 30]], 2005 (Japanese) [[March 25]], 2006 (English)
|continuity=[[Unicron Trilogy cartoon timeline|Unicron Trilogy cartoon continuity]]
}}

'''The reign of Starscream is begun!'''

==Synopsis==

[[Image:Cyb ep29 dogfight.jpg|left|thumb|220px]]

While the kids and [[Mini-Con]]s at the [[Autobot]] base help the [[Cybertron Defense Team]] navigate the treacherous temporal warps created by the [[Unicron Singularity|black hole]] as they travel along the [[space bridge]] to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], the battle between the Autobots and [[Decepticon]]s is still raging on [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]]'s island base in the South Pacific. As [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] and newcomer Autobot [[Wing Saber]] continue to dogfight, [[Mudflap (Cybertron)|Mudflap]] and [[Evac (Cybertron)|Evac]] try to help their respective comrades, and wind up battling each other; [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] and [[Thunderblast (Decepticon)|Thunderblast]] engage in a little sea-to-air warfare, both turning their missiles on [[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]] when he gets in their way; and [[Crosswise (Cybertron)|Crosswise]] and [[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]] corner [[Ransack (Cybertron)|Ransack]], only for the diminutive Decepticon to leap out of the way at the last second, causing them to collide. Feeling very pleased with himself, Ransack happens upon [[Lugnutz]], who has decided to take a break from the battle, dubbing it "too heavy". Ransack takes a leaf out of his book and sits down next to him.

Inside the island's volcano, [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Vector Prime]] continue their descent, with [[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]] and [[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Leobreaker]] close behind. [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]] attempts to trigger another of his traps, firing blasts of electricity at the approaching Autobots, but Vector Prime is ready for him this time, and uses a [[dimension gate]] to redirect the current, striking Scourge with it instead. The group reaches the bottom of the caldera where Sideways is waiting for them, and a battle quickly breaks out, but the Autobots are unable to score a hit on Sideways thanks to his frantic warping around. To overcome this, Vector Prime surreptitiously plants [[Safeguard (Cybertron)|Safeguard]] on Sideways's back, and tracks his signal, allowing him to predict where Sideways will next appear. Optimus and Leobreaker fuse into Savage Claw Mode and strike Sideways down as soon as he rematerializes, at which point Scourge savagely enters the fray! He challenges Optimus Prime, but proves no match for the power of the Savage Claw.

[[Image:C29 synchro-control.jpg|right|thumb|220px]]

Simultaneously, the Cybertron Defense Team's journey gets doubly perilous as they hit a particularly rough stretch of space bridge, and come under bombardment from asteroids. With the enhanced firepower of their new modes, the team can easily blow the space-rocks to dust, but [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] gets a nasty surprise when one destroyed asteroid spews out a glob of goo that splatters over his windscreen and blinds him. To navigate the bridge safely, Hot Shot gives manual control of his systems over to Coby, who controls him remotely from [[Earth]] using a [[synchro-control]]. With [[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] and [[Scattorshot (Cybertron)|Scattorshot]] keeping the asteroids clear, Coby steers Hot Shot safely until the goo clears up and the Autobot can resume control.

[[Image:Cyb_ep29_staredown.jpg|left|thumb|220px]]

Back on the island, Evac, Wing Saber and Crosswise continue to battle Megatron, while Landmine confronts Mudflap, trying to talk his old friend out of his current course of action. When Megatron tries to break off the fight and make it to the volcano, Mudflap disappoints Landmine by coming to the Decepticon leader's aid, knocking the pursuing Evac out of the sky.

Within the volcano, Sideways returns to the side of Starscream, who continues to absorb the power of [[Primus]]'s [[spark]] through the [[Omega Lock]], and warns him of Megatron's approach. Starscream is undeterred, and Sideways decides to cut his losses and escape, but just as he departs, the Omega Lock erupts with power. All the Transformers within the volcano are forced to quickly exit as the mountain begins to erupt... but no-one expects to see, rising out of the flame, lava and ash... a gargantuan Starscream, transformed into a skyscraper-sized giant by the power of Primus! From the flames, Starscream produces a huge crown, which he places upon his head, declaring that his reign as ruler of the universe has now begun. Megatron, however, is unimpressed, and the two stare each other down, surging with so much [[energon (Energon)|energon]] power that their battle threatens to tear the Earth in half. Realizing this, Scourge leads the Decepticons in an attack on Starscream that proves ineffectual, convincing Megatron that he must take matters into his own hands. The land-based Autobots all join forces to stop Megatron from advancing, while the flying Autobots push Starscream back, in an effort to keep the two Decepticons' terrifying energon auras from colliding.

[[Image: Cyb_ep29_giant_punch.jpg|right|thumb|220px]]

Watching everything from the Autobot base, the kids suddenly realize that Vector Prime is nowhere to be seen, having warped inside the volcano to recover the Omega Lock. They contact the elderly Autobot and discover that he has been pinned by falling rubble, unable to warp his way out, and so they communicate with the other Autobots to get someone to rescue him. Wing Saber steps up to the task and frees Vector Prime, but no sooner has Vector Prime stood upright than the pair come under attack by Thunderblast. Wing Saber's [[Cyber Key]] power is enough to do away with the flighty female, and the two Autobots escape the volcano with the Omega Lock in hand.

Back with the Cybertron Defense Team, the situation is getting worse as the space bridge deteriorates around them. Just then, finally, Cybertron itself comes into view... but the team are horrified to see the planet is infested by metal-eating [[Scrapmetal (race)|Scrapmetal]]! The Autobot trio bounds into action, opening fire on the huge swarm of insectoid Transformers, but the odds are several million to three, and not looking good! The kids let Optimus Prime know of the Cybertron Defense Team's plight, but even as the Autobot leader hears the news, Starscream's massive fist comes soaring through the air, and smashes him into the ground...!

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Six-Speed]] (4)
*[[Jolt (Cybertron)|Jolt]] (5)
*[[Reverb (Cybertron)|Reverb]] (6)
*[[Scattorshot (Cybertron)|Scattorshot]] (7)
*[[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] (8)
*[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] (9)
*[[Wing Saber]] (10)
*[[Evac (Cybertron)|Evac]] (13)
*[[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] (14)
*[[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]] (18)
*[[Crosswise (Cybertron)|Crosswise]] (19)
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] (21)
*[[Vector Prime]] (22)
*[[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Leobreaker]] (25)
*[[Safeguard (Cybertron)|Safeguard]] (26)
*[[Snarl (Cybertron)|Snarl]] (29)
*[[Override (Cybertron)|Override]] (30)

|c2=
*[[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] (11)
*[[Mudflap (Cybertron)|Mudflap]] (12)
*[[Thunderblast (Decepticon)|Thunderblast]] (15)
*[[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]] (16)
*[[Ransack (Cybertron)|Ransack]] (17)
*[[Lugnutz]] (20)
*[[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]] (23)
*[[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] (27)
*[[Crumplezone (Cybertron)|Crumplezone]] (28)

|c3=
*[[Bud Hansen]] (1)
*[[Coby Hansen]] (2)
*[[Lori]] (3)

|c4=
*[[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]] (24)
*[[Scrapmetal (race)|Scrapmetal]]
}}

==Quotes==

"Which side are you on ''today'', Sideways?"
:—'''Leobreaker'''

"Hahahaha...." 
"What are you laughing at?!" 
"I'm laughing at a coward, a gutless wonder, a wimp—who I trained to be a warrior. But you could never cut it, Starscream. No matter how big you become, you're still the same pathetic wannabe! Oh yes...you're the king alright. The king of fools!" 
"Ever notice how much noise an insect makes, buzzing and clacking, until you crush it underfoot? That's what you are Megatron—a bug with a big mouth!" 
"We'll see—when I knock that crown off your head!"
:—'''Megatron''' and '''Starscream''' upon Starscream's "coronation".

"A girl has to choose the right accessories...like this rocket launcher that doubles as an ''even bigger'' rocket launcher! Don't you just love it?"
:—'''Thunderblast''' detects the logical fallacy of her toy's gimmick and rolls with it.

"You know, I think we should get points for blasting these things." 
"If we're keeping track, ''I'' have the high score."
:—'''Hot Shot''' and '''Scattorshot''' play Asteroids

==Notes==
===Differences with ''Galaxy Force''===
*In ''Galaxy Force'', the journey to Cybertron is a treacherous one because the planet is inside the black hole. ''Cybertron'' changed this plot point at the very beginning of the series, establishing that the black hole is merely ''near'' Cybertron, so this episode inserts mention of temporal warps and such surrounding the planet as an explanation for why the journey is so dangerous.
*Just before Starscream emerges from the volcano, ''Galaxy Force'' has Wing Saber react with shock to the sight of Optimus Prime merged with Leobreaker, and then express an interest in the idea of a combination when Evac explains the story behind it. ''Cybertron'' changes this to Wing Saber and Evac deciding to get down to ground-level and back Optimus up, removing the reference for a very pertinent reason that will become apparent in the next episode: namely, in ''Cybertron'', Wing Saber and Optimus have already combined in the past.
[[Image:Cyb_ep29_magic_glowy_auras.jpg|right|thumb| Their power levels are over 9000!]]
*When Jolt starts freaking out after Starscream emerges, in ''Galaxy Force'', he's distressed by Starscream's power, while in ''Cybertron'', he fears for their ability to get the Omega Lock back from him and Cybertron's fate if they don't.
*As Megatron and Starscream face off, they perform a baffling action that has been briefly glimpsed in the past, but which will recur with increasing frequency from here on in: to represent characters summoning up their strength, in the ultimate example of [[Burning Justice]], they suddenly start glowing without explanation. Here and forevermore, ''Galaxy Force'' treats this as completely normal; ''Cybertron'' attempts to explain it by having an amazed Optimus note that they are surging with energon, which threatens to ignite.
*Just before the Cybertron Defense Team arrive at Cybertron, ''Galaxy Force'' just has them bemoaning their situation. In ''Cybertron'', they are quipping about who has blasted the most asteroids.
{{--}}
===Animation and/or technical glitches===
[[Image:Cyb_ep29_scale_nightmare.jpg|right|thumb]]
*Thunderblast's voice is ''crazy'' over-amplified in this episode.
*When Scourge emerges from the volcano and says "What's this?" he is speaking with the deeper, growling voice of his dragon mode, when he's actually in robot mode.
*Thundercracker is positively ''gargantuan'' when carrying the Decepticons on his back.

===Transformers references===
* Starscream's [[crown]] is, of course, identical to the one briefly worn by [[Starscream (G1)|the original Starscream]] in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''. This Starscream manages to wear it for a lot longer!

===Real world references===

* Ransack cackles "two wheels is better than four!", a paraphrase of the common saying "two heads are better than one".
*Thunderblast says "Your pretty spry for an ''old'' guy." this is a reference to "Pretty fly for a white guy".

===Trivia===
*They manage to avoid saying "Cyber Key Power" for the majority of the episode. Thank [[Primus|GOD]]
* This is bad comedy.

[[Category:Cybertron episodes]]

Starscream (episode)

2010-01-06T14:07:53Z

Chipmonk328: /* Real world references */

{{disambig3|Starscream}}

{{episode
|series=Cybertron
|ep=29
|series2=Galaxy Force
|ep2=30
|title="Starscream"
|japanese=野望の王邪心全開
|romaji=Yabō no Ō Jashin Zenkai
|translation=The King of Treachery—Evil Completely Unleashed
|image=Cyb_ep29_super_screamer.jpg
|caption=
|production code=
|production company=[[TV Aichi]], [[We've]], [[Tōkyū Agency]]
|writer=[[Hiro Masaki]]
|director=[[Naotaka Hayashi]]
|animation studio=[[GONZO]]
|airdate=[[July 30]], 2005 (Japanese) [[March 25]], 2006 (English)
|continuity=[[Unicron Trilogy cartoon timeline|Unicron Trilogy cartoon continuity]]
}}

'''The reign of Starscream is begun!'''

==Synopsis==

[[Image:Cyb ep29 dogfight.jpg|left|thumb|220px]]

While the kids and [[Mini-Con]]s at the [[Autobot]] base help the [[Cybertron Defense Team]] navigate the treacherous temporal warps created by the [[Unicron Singularity|black hole]] as they travel along the [[space bridge]] to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], the battle between the Autobots and [[Decepticon]]s is still raging on [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]]'s island base in the South Pacific. As [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] and newcomer Autobot [[Wing Saber]] continue to dogfight, [[Mudflap (Cybertron)|Mudflap]] and [[Evac (Cybertron)|Evac]] try to help their respective comrades, and wind up battling each other; [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] and [[Thunderblast (Decepticon)|Thunderblast]] engage in a little sea-to-air warfare, both turning their missiles on [[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]] when he gets in their way; and [[Crosswise (Cybertron)|Crosswise]] and [[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]] corner [[Ransack (Cybertron)|Ransack]], only for the diminutive Decepticon to leap out of the way at the last second, causing them to collide. Feeling very pleased with himself, Ransack happens upon [[Lugnutz]], who has decided to take a break from the battle, dubbing it "too heavy". Ransack takes a leaf out of his book and sits down next to him.

Inside the island's volcano, [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Vector Prime]] continue their descent, with [[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]] and [[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Leobreaker]] close behind. [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]] attempts to trigger another of his traps, firing blasts of electricity at the approaching Autobots, but Vector Prime is ready for him this time, and uses a [[dimension gate]] to redirect the current, striking Scourge with it instead. The group reaches the bottom of the caldera where Sideways is waiting for them, and a battle quickly breaks out, but the Autobots are unable to score a hit on Sideways thanks to his frantic warping around. To overcome this, Vector Prime surreptitiously plants [[Safeguard (Cybertron)|Safeguard]] on Sideways's back, and tracks his signal, allowing him to predict where Sideways will next appear. Optimus and Leobreaker fuse into Savage Claw Mode and strike Sideways down as soon as he rematerializes, at which point Scourge savagely enters the fray! He challenges Optimus Prime, but proves no match for the power of the Savage Claw.

[[Image:C29 synchro-control.jpg|right|thumb|220px]]

Simultaneously, the Cybertron Defense Team's journey gets doubly perilous as they hit a particularly rough stretch of space bridge, and come under bombardment from asteroids. With the enhanced firepower of their new modes, the team can easily blow the space-rocks to dust, but [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] gets a nasty surprise when one destroyed asteroid spews out a glob of goo that splatters over his windscreen and blinds him. To navigate the bridge safely, Hot Shot gives manual control of his systems over to Coby, who controls him remotely from [[Earth]] using a [[synchro-control]]. With [[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] and [[Scattorshot (Cybertron)|Scattorshot]] keeping the asteroids clear, Coby steers Hot Shot safely until the goo clears up and the Autobot can resume control.

[[Image:Cyb_ep29_staredown.jpg|left|thumb|220px]]

Back on the island, Evac, Wing Saber and Crosswise continue to battle Megatron, while Landmine confronts Mudflap, trying to talk his old friend out of his current course of action. When Megatron tries to break off the fight and make it to the volcano, Mudflap disappoints Landmine by coming to the Decepticon leader's aid, knocking the pursuing Evac out of the sky.

Within the volcano, Sideways returns to the side of Starscream, who continues to absorb the power of [[Primus]]'s [[spark]] through the [[Omega Lock]], and warns him of Megatron's approach. Starscream is undeterred, and Sideways decides to cut his losses and escape, but just as he departs, the Omega Lock erupts with power. All the Transformers within the volcano are forced to quickly exit as the mountain begins to erupt... but no-one expects to see, rising out of the flame, lava and ash... a gargantuan Starscream, transformed into a skyscraper-sized giant by the power of Primus! From the flames, Starscream produces a huge crown, which he places upon his head, declaring that his reign as ruler of the universe has now begun. Megatron, however, is unimpressed, and the two stare each other down, surging with so much [[energon (Energon)|energon]] power that their battle threatens to tear the Earth in half. Realizing this, Scourge leads the Decepticons in an attack on Starscream that proves ineffectual, convincing Megatron that he must take matters into his own hands. The land-based Autobots all join forces to stop Megatron from advancing, while the flying Autobots push Starscream back, in an effort to keep the two Decepticons' terrifying energon auras from colliding.

[[Image: Cyb_ep29_giant_punch.jpg|right|thumb|220px]]

Watching everything from the Autobot base, the kids suddenly realize that Vector Prime is nowhere to be seen, having warped inside the volcano to recover the Omega Lock. They contact the elderly Autobot and discover that he has been pinned by falling rubble, unable to warp his way out, and so they communicate with the other Autobots to get someone to rescue him. Wing Saber steps up to the task and frees Vector Prime, but no sooner has Vector Prime stood upright than the pair come under attack by Thunderblast. Wing Saber's [[Cyber Key]] power is enough to do away with the flighty female, and the two Autobots escape the volcano with the Omega Lock in hand.

Back with the Cybertron Defense Team, the situation is getting worse as the space bridge deteriorates around them. Just then, finally, Cybertron itself comes into view... but the team are horrified to see the planet is infested by metal-eating [[Scrapmetal (race)|Scrapmetal]]! The Autobot trio bounds into action, opening fire on the huge swarm of insectoid Transformers, but the odds are several million to three, and not looking good! The kids let Optimus Prime know of the Cybertron Defense Team's plight, but even as the Autobot leader hears the news, Starscream's massive fist comes soaring through the air, and smashes him into the ground...!

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Six-Speed]] (4)
*[[Jolt (Cybertron)|Jolt]] (5)
*[[Reverb (Cybertron)|Reverb]] (6)
*[[Scattorshot (Cybertron)|Scattorshot]] (7)
*[[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] (8)
*[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] (9)
*[[Wing Saber]] (10)
*[[Evac (Cybertron)|Evac]] (13)
*[[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] (14)
*[[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]] (18)
*[[Crosswise (Cybertron)|Crosswise]] (19)
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] (21)
*[[Vector Prime]] (22)
*[[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Leobreaker]] (25)
*[[Safeguard (Cybertron)|Safeguard]] (26)
*[[Snarl (Cybertron)|Snarl]] (29)
*[[Override (Cybertron)|Override]] (30)

|c2=
*[[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] (11)
*[[Mudflap (Cybertron)|Mudflap]] (12)
*[[Thunderblast (Decepticon)|Thunderblast]] (15)
*[[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]] (16)
*[[Ransack (Cybertron)|Ransack]] (17)
*[[Lugnutz]] (20)
*[[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]] (23)
*[[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] (27)
*[[Crumplezone (Cybertron)|Crumplezone]] (28)

|c3=
*[[Bud Hansen]] (1)
*[[Coby Hansen]] (2)
*[[Lori]] (3)

|c4=
*[[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]] (24)
*[[Scrapmetal (race)|Scrapmetal]]
}}

==Quotes==

"Which side are you on ''today'', Sideways?"
:—'''Leobreaker'''

"Hahahaha...." 
"What are you laughing at?!" 
"I'm laughing at a coward, a gutless wonder, a wimp—who I trained to be a warrior. But you could never cut it, Starscream. No matter how big you become, you're still the same pathetic wannabe! Oh yes...you're the king alright. The king of fools!" 
"Ever notice how much noise an insect makes, buzzing and clacking, until you crush it underfoot? That's what you are Megatron—a bug with a big mouth!" 
"We'll see—when I knock that crown off your head!"
:—'''Megatron''' and '''Starscream''' upon Starscream's "coronation".

"A girl has to choose the right accessories...like this rocket launcher that doubles as an ''even bigger'' rocket launcher! Don't you just love it?"
:—'''Thunderblast''' detects the logical fallacy of her toy's gimmick and rolls with it.

"You know, I think we should get points for blasting these things." 
"If we're keeping track, ''I'' have the high score."
:—'''Hot Shot''' and '''Scattorshot''' play Asteroids

==Notes==
===Differences with ''Galaxy Force''===
*In ''Galaxy Force'', the journey to Cybertron is a treacherous one because the planet is inside the black hole. ''Cybertron'' changed this plot point at the very beginning of the series, establishing that the black hole is merely ''near'' Cybertron, so this episode inserts mention of temporal warps and such surrounding the planet as an explanation for why the journey is so dangerous.
*Just before Starscream emerges from the volcano, ''Galaxy Force'' has Wing Saber react with shock to the sight of Optimus Prime merged with Leobreaker, and then express an interest in the idea of a combination when Evac explains the story behind it. ''Cybertron'' changes this to Wing Saber and Evac deciding to get down to ground-level and back Optimus up, removing the reference for a very pertinent reason that will become apparent in the next episode: namely, in ''Cybertron'', Wing Saber and Optimus have already combined in the past.
[[Image:Cyb_ep29_magic_glowy_auras.jpg|right|thumb| Their power levels are over 9000!]]
*When Jolt starts freaking out after Starscream emerges, in ''Galaxy Force'', he's distressed by Starscream's power, while in ''Cybertron'', he fears for their ability to get the Omega Lock back from him and Cybertron's fate if they don't.
*As Megatron and Starscream face off, they perform a baffling action that has been briefly glimpsed in the past, but which will recur with increasing frequency from here on in: to represent characters summoning up their strength, in the ultimate example of [[Burning Justice]], they suddenly start glowing without explanation. Here and forevermore, ''Galaxy Force'' treats this as completely normal; ''Cybertron'' attempts to explain it by having an amazed Optimus note that they are surging with energon, which threatens to ignite.
*Just before the Cybertron Defense Team arrive at Cybertron, ''Galaxy Force'' just has them bemoaning their situation. In ''Cybertron'', they are quipping about who has blasted the most asteroids.
{{--}}
===Animation and/or technical glitches===
[[Image:Cyb_ep29_scale_nightmare.jpg|right|thumb]]
*Thunderblast's voice is ''crazy'' over-amplified in this episode.
*When Scourge emerges from the volcano and says "What's this?" he is speaking with the deeper, growling voice of his dragon mode, when he's actually in robot mode.
*Thundercracker is positively ''gargantuan'' when carrying the Decepticons on his back.

===Transformers references===
* Starscream's [[crown]] is, of course, identical to the one briefly worn by [[Starscream (G1)|the original Starscream]] in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''. This Starscream manages to wear it for a lot longer!

===Real world references===

* Ransack cackles "two wheels is better than four!", a paraphrase of the common saying "two heads are better than one".
*Thunderblast says "Your pretty spry for an ''old'' guy." this is the reference to "Pretty fly for a white guy".

===Trivia===
*They manage to avoid saying "Cyber Key Power" for the majority of the episode. Thank [[Primus|GOD]]
* This is bad comedy.

[[Category:Cybertron episodes]]

Starscream (episode)

2010-01-06T14:03:50Z

Chipmonk328: /* Notes */

{{disambig3|Starscream}}

{{episode
|series=Cybertron
|ep=29
|series2=Galaxy Force
|ep2=30
|title="Starscream"
|japanese=野望の王邪心全開
|romaji=Yabō no Ō Jashin Zenkai
|translation=The King of Treachery—Evil Completely Unleashed
|image=Cyb_ep29_super_screamer.jpg
|caption=
|production code=
|production company=[[TV Aichi]], [[We've]], [[Tōkyū Agency]]
|writer=[[Hiro Masaki]]
|director=[[Naotaka Hayashi]]
|animation studio=[[GONZO]]
|airdate=[[July 30]], 2005 (Japanese) [[March 25]], 2006 (English)
|continuity=[[Unicron Trilogy cartoon timeline|Unicron Trilogy cartoon continuity]]
}}

'''The reign of Starscream is begun!'''

==Synopsis==

[[Image:Cyb ep29 dogfight.jpg|left|thumb|220px]]

While the kids and [[Mini-Con]]s at the [[Autobot]] base help the [[Cybertron Defense Team]] navigate the treacherous temporal warps created by the [[Unicron Singularity|black hole]] as they travel along the [[space bridge]] to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], the battle between the Autobots and [[Decepticon]]s is still raging on [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]]'s island base in the South Pacific. As [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] and newcomer Autobot [[Wing Saber]] continue to dogfight, [[Mudflap (Cybertron)|Mudflap]] and [[Evac (Cybertron)|Evac]] try to help their respective comrades, and wind up battling each other; [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] and [[Thunderblast (Decepticon)|Thunderblast]] engage in a little sea-to-air warfare, both turning their missiles on [[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]] when he gets in their way; and [[Crosswise (Cybertron)|Crosswise]] and [[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]] corner [[Ransack (Cybertron)|Ransack]], only for the diminutive Decepticon to leap out of the way at the last second, causing them to collide. Feeling very pleased with himself, Ransack happens upon [[Lugnutz]], who has decided to take a break from the battle, dubbing it "too heavy". Ransack takes a leaf out of his book and sits down next to him.

Inside the island's volcano, [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Vector Prime]] continue their descent, with [[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]] and [[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Leobreaker]] close behind. [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]] attempts to trigger another of his traps, firing blasts of electricity at the approaching Autobots, but Vector Prime is ready for him this time, and uses a [[dimension gate]] to redirect the current, striking Scourge with it instead. The group reaches the bottom of the caldera where Sideways is waiting for them, and a battle quickly breaks out, but the Autobots are unable to score a hit on Sideways thanks to his frantic warping around. To overcome this, Vector Prime surreptitiously plants [[Safeguard (Cybertron)|Safeguard]] on Sideways's back, and tracks his signal, allowing him to predict where Sideways will next appear. Optimus and Leobreaker fuse into Savage Claw Mode and strike Sideways down as soon as he rematerializes, at which point Scourge savagely enters the fray! He challenges Optimus Prime, but proves no match for the power of the Savage Claw.

[[Image:C29 synchro-control.jpg|right|thumb|220px]]

Simultaneously, the Cybertron Defense Team's journey gets doubly perilous as they hit a particularly rough stretch of space bridge, and come under bombardment from asteroids. With the enhanced firepower of their new modes, the team can easily blow the space-rocks to dust, but [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] gets a nasty surprise when one destroyed asteroid spews out a glob of goo that splatters over his windscreen and blinds him. To navigate the bridge safely, Hot Shot gives manual control of his systems over to Coby, who controls him remotely from [[Earth]] using a [[synchro-control]]. With [[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] and [[Scattorshot (Cybertron)|Scattorshot]] keeping the asteroids clear, Coby steers Hot Shot safely until the goo clears up and the Autobot can resume control.

[[Image:Cyb_ep29_staredown.jpg|left|thumb|220px]]

Back on the island, Evac, Wing Saber and Crosswise continue to battle Megatron, while Landmine confronts Mudflap, trying to talk his old friend out of his current course of action. When Megatron tries to break off the fight and make it to the volcano, Mudflap disappoints Landmine by coming to the Decepticon leader's aid, knocking the pursuing Evac out of the sky.

Within the volcano, Sideways returns to the side of Starscream, who continues to absorb the power of [[Primus]]'s [[spark]] through the [[Omega Lock]], and warns him of Megatron's approach. Starscream is undeterred, and Sideways decides to cut his losses and escape, but just as he departs, the Omega Lock erupts with power. All the Transformers within the volcano are forced to quickly exit as the mountain begins to erupt... but no-one expects to see, rising out of the flame, lava and ash... a gargantuan Starscream, transformed into a skyscraper-sized giant by the power of Primus! From the flames, Starscream produces a huge crown, which he places upon his head, declaring that his reign as ruler of the universe has now begun. Megatron, however, is unimpressed, and the two stare each other down, surging with so much [[energon (Energon)|energon]] power that their battle threatens to tear the Earth in half. Realizing this, Scourge leads the Decepticons in an attack on Starscream that proves ineffectual, convincing Megatron that he must take matters into his own hands. The land-based Autobots all join forces to stop Megatron from advancing, while the flying Autobots push Starscream back, in an effort to keep the two Decepticons' terrifying energon auras from colliding.

[[Image: Cyb_ep29_giant_punch.jpg|right|thumb|220px]]

Watching everything from the Autobot base, the kids suddenly realize that Vector Prime is nowhere to be seen, having warped inside the volcano to recover the Omega Lock. They contact the elderly Autobot and discover that he has been pinned by falling rubble, unable to warp his way out, and so they communicate with the other Autobots to get someone to rescue him. Wing Saber steps up to the task and frees Vector Prime, but no sooner has Vector Prime stood upright than the pair come under attack by Thunderblast. Wing Saber's [[Cyber Key]] power is enough to do away with the flighty female, and the two Autobots escape the volcano with the Omega Lock in hand.

Back with the Cybertron Defense Team, the situation is getting worse as the space bridge deteriorates around them. Just then, finally, Cybertron itself comes into view... but the team are horrified to see the planet is infested by metal-eating [[Scrapmetal (race)|Scrapmetal]]! The Autobot trio bounds into action, opening fire on the huge swarm of insectoid Transformers, but the odds are several million to three, and not looking good! The kids let Optimus Prime know of the Cybertron Defense Team's plight, but even as the Autobot leader hears the news, Starscream's massive fist comes soaring through the air, and smashes him into the ground...!

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Six-Speed]] (4)
*[[Jolt (Cybertron)|Jolt]] (5)
*[[Reverb (Cybertron)|Reverb]] (6)
*[[Scattorshot (Cybertron)|Scattorshot]] (7)
*[[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] (8)
*[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] (9)
*[[Wing Saber]] (10)
*[[Evac (Cybertron)|Evac]] (13)
*[[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] (14)
*[[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]] (18)
*[[Crosswise (Cybertron)|Crosswise]] (19)
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] (21)
*[[Vector Prime]] (22)
*[[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Leobreaker]] (25)
*[[Safeguard (Cybertron)|Safeguard]] (26)
*[[Snarl (Cybertron)|Snarl]] (29)
*[[Override (Cybertron)|Override]] (30)

|c2=
*[[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] (11)
*[[Mudflap (Cybertron)|Mudflap]] (12)
*[[Thunderblast (Decepticon)|Thunderblast]] (15)
*[[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]] (16)
*[[Ransack (Cybertron)|Ransack]] (17)
*[[Lugnutz]] (20)
*[[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]] (23)
*[[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] (27)
*[[Crumplezone (Cybertron)|Crumplezone]] (28)

|c3=
*[[Bud Hansen]] (1)
*[[Coby Hansen]] (2)
*[[Lori]] (3)

|c4=
*[[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]] (24)
*[[Scrapmetal (race)|Scrapmetal]]
}}

==Quotes==

"Which side are you on ''today'', Sideways?"
:—'''Leobreaker'''

"Hahahaha...." 
"What are you laughing at?!" 
"I'm laughing at a coward, a gutless wonder, a wimp—who I trained to be a warrior. But you could never cut it, Starscream. No matter how big you become, you're still the same pathetic wannabe! Oh yes...you're the king alright. The king of fools!" 
"Ever notice how much noise an insect makes, buzzing and clacking, until you crush it underfoot? That's what you are Megatron—a bug with a big mouth!" 
"We'll see—when I knock that crown off your head!"
:—'''Megatron''' and '''Starscream''' upon Starscream's "coronation".

"A girl has to choose the right accessories...like this rocket launcher that doubles as an ''even bigger'' rocket launcher! Don't you just love it?"
:—'''Thunderblast''' detects the logical fallacy of her toy's gimmick and rolls with it.

"You know, I think we should get points for blasting these things." 
"If we're keeping track, ''I'' have the high score."
:—'''Hot Shot''' and '''Scattorshot''' play Asteroids

==Notes==
===Differences with ''Galaxy Force''===
*In ''Galaxy Force'', the journey to Cybertron is a treacherous one because the planet is inside the black hole. ''Cybertron'' changed this plot point at the very beginning of the series, establishing that the black hole is merely ''near'' Cybertron, so this episode inserts mention of temporal warps and such surrounding the planet as an explanation for why the journey is so dangerous.
*Just before Starscream emerges from the volcano, ''Galaxy Force'' has Wing Saber react with shock to the sight of Optimus Prime merged with Leobreaker, and then express an interest in the idea of a combination when Evac explains the story behind it. ''Cybertron'' changes this to Wing Saber and Evac deciding to get down to ground-level and back Optimus up, removing the reference for a very pertinent reason that will become apparent in the next episode: namely, in ''Cybertron'', Wing Saber and Optimus have already combined in the past.
[[Image:Cyb_ep29_magic_glowy_auras.jpg|right|thumb| Their power levels are over 9000!]]
*When Jolt starts freaking out after Starscream emerges, in ''Galaxy Force'', he's distressed by Starscream's power, while in ''Cybertron'', he fears for their ability to get the Omega Lock back from him and Cybertron's fate if they don't.
*As Megatron and Starscream face off, they perform a baffling action that has been briefly glimpsed in the past, but which will recur with increasing frequency from here on in: to represent characters summoning up their strength, in the ultimate example of [[Burning Justice]], they suddenly start glowing without explanation. Here and forevermore, ''Galaxy Force'' treats this as completely normal; ''Cybertron'' attempts to explain it by having an amazed Optimus note that they are surging with energon, which threatens to ignite.
*Just before the Cybertron Defense Team arrive at Cybertron, ''Galaxy Force'' just has them bemoaning their situation. In ''Cybertron'', they are quipping about who has blasted the most asteroids.
{{--}}
===Animation and/or technical glitches===
[[Image:Cyb_ep29_scale_nightmare.jpg|right|thumb]]
*Thunderblast's voice is ''crazy'' over-amplified in this episode.
*When Scourge emerges from the volcano and says "What's this?" he is speaking with the deeper, growling voice of his dragon mode, when he's actually in robot mode.
*Thundercracker is positively ''gargantuan'' when carrying the Decepticons on his back.

===Transformers references===
* Starscream's [[crown]] is, of course, identical to the one briefly worn by [[Starscream (G1)|the original Starscream]] in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''. This Starscream manages to wear it for a lot longer!

===Real world references===

* Ransack cackles "two wheels is better than four!", a paraphrase of the common saying "two heads are better than one".

===Trivia===
*They manage to avoid saying "Cyber Key Power" for the majority of the episode. Thank [[Primus|GOD]]
* This is bad comedy.

[[Category:Cybertron episodes]]

Talk:Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals (N64)

2010-01-06T13:58:07Z

Chipmonk328: /* Megatron X */

==Megatron X==
Is Megatron X a separate character to Megatron? I ask because such obscurity deserves an article. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I have a question: it says a pair of dragon-like wings. Correct me if I'm wrong but, doesn't the real Megatron he's based from have the same said wings?--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
:The Megatron with dragon wings is [[:Image:Megs_tm2.JPG|Transmetal II Megatron]]. [[Megatron X]] looks like the [[:Image:BWtoy-MegatronTM.jpg|original Transmetal Megatron]], but with wings akwardly slapped on. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 08:36, 6 January 2010 (EST)
Oh. It uses Transmetal 1 in that way eh? Okay thanks. I figured there had to be a good reason, so I asked.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

== US N64 version ==

It's worth nothing that the US release of the Nintendo 64 Transmetals game is severely limited. The game was reprogrammed so that the combatants could not move as far apart from each other as in the Japanese release, which partially destroys the original gameplay mechanics.

Starscream (episode)

2010-01-06T13:56:08Z

Chipmonk328:

{{disambig3|Starscream}}

{{episode
|series=Cybertron
|ep=29
|series2=Galaxy Force
|ep2=30
|title="Starscream"
|japanese=野望の王邪心全開
|romaji=Yabō no Ō Jashin Zenkai
|translation=The King of Treachery—Evil Completely Unleashed
|image=Cyb_ep29_super_screamer.jpg
|caption=
|production code=
|production company=[[TV Aichi]], [[We've]], [[Tōkyū Agency]]
|writer=[[Hiro Masaki]]
|director=[[Naotaka Hayashi]]
|animation studio=[[GONZO]]
|airdate=[[July 30]], 2005 (Japanese) [[March 25]], 2006 (English)
|continuity=[[Unicron Trilogy cartoon timeline|Unicron Trilogy cartoon continuity]]
}}

'''The reign of Starscream is begun!'''

==Synopsis==

[[Image:Cyb ep29 dogfight.jpg|left|thumb|220px]]

While the kids and [[Mini-Con]]s at the [[Autobot]] base help the [[Cybertron Defense Team]] navigate the treacherous temporal warps created by the [[Unicron Singularity|black hole]] as they travel along the [[space bridge]] to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], the battle between the Autobots and [[Decepticon]]s is still raging on [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]]'s island base in the South Pacific. As [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] and newcomer Autobot [[Wing Saber]] continue to dogfight, [[Mudflap (Cybertron)|Mudflap]] and [[Evac (Cybertron)|Evac]] try to help their respective comrades, and wind up battling each other; [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] and [[Thunderblast (Decepticon)|Thunderblast]] engage in a little sea-to-air warfare, both turning their missiles on [[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]] when he gets in their way; and [[Crosswise (Cybertron)|Crosswise]] and [[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]] corner [[Ransack (Cybertron)|Ransack]], only for the diminutive Decepticon to leap out of the way at the last second, causing them to collide. Feeling very pleased with himself, Ransack happens upon [[Lugnutz]], who has decided to take a break from the battle, dubbing it "too heavy". Ransack takes a leaf out of his book and sits down next to him.

Inside the island's volcano, [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Vector Prime]] continue their descent, with [[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]] and [[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Leobreaker]] close behind. [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]] attempts to trigger another of his traps, firing blasts of electricity at the approaching Autobots, but Vector Prime is ready for him this time, and uses a [[dimension gate]] to redirect the current, striking Scourge with it instead. The group reaches the bottom of the caldera where Sideways is waiting for them, and a battle quickly breaks out, but the Autobots are unable to score a hit on Sideways thanks to his frantic warping around. To overcome this, Vector Prime surreptitiously plants [[Safeguard (Cybertron)|Safeguard]] on Sideways's back, and tracks his signal, allowing him to predict where Sideways will next appear. Optimus and Leobreaker fuse into Savage Claw Mode and strike Sideways down as soon as he rematerializes, at which point Scourge savagely enters the fray! He challenges Optimus Prime, but proves no match for the power of the Savage Claw.

[[Image:C29 synchro-control.jpg|right|thumb|220px]]

Simultaneously, the Cybertron Defense Team's journey gets doubly perilous as they hit a particularly rough stretch of space bridge, and come under bombardment from asteroids. With the enhanced firepower of their new modes, the team can easily blow the space-rocks to dust, but [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] gets a nasty surprise when one destroyed asteroid spews out a glob of goo that splatters over his windscreen and blinds him. To navigate the bridge safely, Hot Shot gives manual control of his systems over to Coby, who controls him remotely from [[Earth]] using a [[synchro-control]]. With [[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] and [[Scattorshot (Cybertron)|Scattorshot]] keeping the asteroids clear, Coby steers Hot Shot safely until the goo clears up and the Autobot can resume control.

[[Image:Cyb_ep29_staredown.jpg|left|thumb|220px]]

Back on the island, Evac, Wing Saber and Crosswise continue to battle Megatron, while Landmine confronts Mudflap, trying to talk his old friend out of his current course of action. When Megatron tries to break off the fight and make it to the volcano, Mudflap disappoints Landmine by coming to the Decepticon leader's aid, knocking the pursuing Evac out of the sky.

Within the volcano, Sideways returns to the side of Starscream, who continues to absorb the power of [[Primus]]'s [[spark]] through the [[Omega Lock]], and warns him of Megatron's approach. Starscream is undeterred, and Sideways decides to cut his losses and escape, but just as he departs, the Omega Lock erupts with power. All the Transformers within the volcano are forced to quickly exit as the mountain begins to erupt... but no-one expects to see, rising out of the flame, lava and ash... a gargantuan Starscream, transformed into a skyscraper-sized giant by the power of Primus! From the flames, Starscream produces a huge crown, which he places upon his head, declaring that his reign as ruler of the universe has now begun. Megatron, however, is unimpressed, and the two stare each other down, surging with so much [[energon (Energon)|energon]] power that their battle threatens to tear the Earth in half. Realizing this, Scourge leads the Decepticons in an attack on Starscream that proves ineffectual, convincing Megatron that he must take matters into his own hands. The land-based Autobots all join forces to stop Megatron from advancing, while the flying Autobots push Starscream back, in an effort to keep the two Decepticons' terrifying energon auras from colliding.

[[Image: Cyb_ep29_giant_punch.jpg|right|thumb|220px]]

Watching everything from the Autobot base, the kids suddenly realize that Vector Prime is nowhere to be seen, having warped inside the volcano to recover the Omega Lock. They contact the elderly Autobot and discover that he has been pinned by falling rubble, unable to warp his way out, and so they communicate with the other Autobots to get someone to rescue him. Wing Saber steps up to the task and frees Vector Prime, but no sooner has Vector Prime stood upright than the pair come under attack by Thunderblast. Wing Saber's [[Cyber Key]] power is enough to do away with the flighty female, and the two Autobots escape the volcano with the Omega Lock in hand.

Back with the Cybertron Defense Team, the situation is getting worse as the space bridge deteriorates around them. Just then, finally, Cybertron itself comes into view... but the team are horrified to see the planet is infested by metal-eating [[Scrapmetal (race)|Scrapmetal]]! The Autobot trio bounds into action, opening fire on the huge swarm of insectoid Transformers, but the odds are several million to three, and not looking good! The kids let Optimus Prime know of the Cybertron Defense Team's plight, but even as the Autobot leader hears the news, Starscream's massive fist comes soaring through the air, and smashes him into the ground...!

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Six-Speed]] (4)
*[[Jolt (Cybertron)|Jolt]] (5)
*[[Reverb (Cybertron)|Reverb]] (6)
*[[Scattorshot (Cybertron)|Scattorshot]] (7)
*[[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] (8)
*[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] (9)
*[[Wing Saber]] (10)
*[[Evac (Cybertron)|Evac]] (13)
*[[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] (14)
*[[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]] (18)
*[[Crosswise (Cybertron)|Crosswise]] (19)
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] (21)
*[[Vector Prime]] (22)
*[[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Leobreaker]] (25)
*[[Safeguard (Cybertron)|Safeguard]] (26)
*[[Snarl (Cybertron)|Snarl]] (29)
*[[Override (Cybertron)|Override]] (30)

|c2=
*[[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] (11)
*[[Mudflap (Cybertron)|Mudflap]] (12)
*[[Thunderblast (Decepticon)|Thunderblast]] (15)
*[[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]] (16)
*[[Ransack (Cybertron)|Ransack]] (17)
*[[Lugnutz]] (20)
*[[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]] (23)
*[[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] (27)
*[[Crumplezone (Cybertron)|Crumplezone]] (28)

|c3=
*[[Bud Hansen]] (1)
*[[Coby Hansen]] (2)
*[[Lori]] (3)

|c4=
*[[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]] (24)
*[[Scrapmetal (race)|Scrapmetal]]
}}

==Quotes==

"Which side are you on ''today'', Sideways?"
:—'''Leobreaker'''

"Hahahaha...." 
"What are you laughing at?!" 
"I'm laughing at a coward, a gutless wonder, a wimp—who I trained to be a warrior. But you could never cut it, Starscream. No matter how big you become, you're still the same pathetic wannabe! Oh yes...you're the king alright. The king of fools!" 
"Ever notice how much noise an insect makes, buzzing and clacking, until you crush it underfoot? That's what you are Megatron—a bug with a big mouth!" 
"We'll see—when I knock that crown off your head!"
:—'''Megatron''' and '''Starscream''' upon Starscream's "coronation".

"A girl has to choose the right accessories...like this rocket launcher that doubles as an ''even bigger'' rocket launcher! Don't you just love it?"
:—'''Thunderblast''' detects the logical fallacy of her toy's gimmick and rolls with it.

"You know, I think we should get points for blasting these things." 
"If we're keeping track, ''I'' have the high score."
:—'''Hot Shot''' and '''Scattorshot''' play Asteroids

==Notes==
===Differences with ''Galaxy Force''===
*In ''Galaxy Force'', the journey to Cybertron is a treacherous one because the planet is inside the black hole. ''Cybertron'' changed this plot point at the very beginning of the series, establishing that the black hole is merely ''near'' Cybertron, so this episode inserts mention of temporal warps and such surrounding the planet as an explanation for why the journey is so dangerous.
*Just before Starscream emerges from the volcano, ''Galaxy Force'' has Wing Saber react with shock to the sight of Optimus Prime merged with Leobreaker, and then express an interest in the idea of a combination when Evac explains the story behind it. ''Cybertron'' changes this to Wing Saber and Evac deciding to get down to ground-level and back Optimus up, removing the reference for a very pertinent reason that will become apparent in the next episode: namely, in ''Cybertron'', Wing Saber and Optimus have already combined in the past.
[[Image:Cyb_ep29_magic_glowy_auras.jpg|right|thumb| Their power levels are over 9000!]]
*When Jolt starts freaking out after Starscream emerges, in ''Galaxy Force'', he's distressed by Starscream's power, while in ''Cybertron'', he fears for their ability to get the Omega Lock back from him and Cybertron's fate if they don't.
*As Megatron and Starscream face off, they perform a baffling action that has been briefly glimpsed in the past, but which will recur with increasing frequency from here on in: to represent characters summoning up their strength, in the ultimate example of [[Burning Justice]], they suddenly start glowing without explanation. Here and forevermore, ''Galaxy Force'' treats this as completely normal; ''Cybertron'' attempts to explain it by having an amazed Optimus note that they are surging with energon, which threatens to ignite.
*Just before the Cybertron Defense Team arrive at Cybertron, ''Galaxy Force'' just has them bemoaning their situation. In ''Cybertron'', they are quipping about who has blasted the most asteroids.
{{--}}
===Animation and/or technical glitches===
[[Image:Cyb_ep29_scale_nightmare.jpg|right|thumb]]
*Thunderblast's voice is ''crazy'' over-amplified in this episode.
*When Scourge emerges from the volcano and says "What's this?" he is speaking with the deeper, growling voice of his dragon mode, when he's actually in robot mode.
*Thundercracker is positively ''gargantuan'' when carrying the Decepticons on his back.

===Transformers references===
* Starscream's [[crown]] is, of course, identical to the one briefly worn by [[Starscream (G1)|the original Starscream]] in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''. This Starscream manages to wear it for a lot longer!

===Real world references===

* Ransack cackles "two wheels is better than four!", a paraphrase of the common saying "two heads are better than one".

===Trivia===
* This is bad comedy.

[[Category:Cybertron episodes]]

Remix: I Forgot the Banana!

2010-01-06T13:47:29Z

Chipmonk328:

{{episode
|series=Metals
|ep=26
|prev=Nemesis Part 2
|image=
|caption=
|title="Remix: I Lost the Banana!"
|japanese=リミックス バナナをわすれた!
|romaji=Remix Banana Wasureta!
|production company=[[Mainframe Entertainment]]
|airdate=[[March 29|29 March]] 2000
|written by=
|directed by=
|animation studio=[[Mainframe Entertainment]]
|continuity=[[Beast Wars continuity]]
}}

==Synopsis==

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|h1=[[Maximal]]s
|c1=
*[[Optimus Primal]] (1)
*[[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] (2)
*[[Rattrap]] (3)
*[[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] (4)
*[[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]] (5)
*[[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] (15)
*[[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]] (16)
*[[Tigerhawk]] (19)

|h2=[[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s
|c2=
*[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] (6)
*[[Quickstrike (BW)|Quickstrike]] (7)
*[[Waspinator]] (8)
*[[Dinobot II|Dinobot]] (9)
*[[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] (10)
*[[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] (13)
*[[Tarantulas]] (17)
*[[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]] (18)
|c4=
*[[Una]] (11)
*[[Chak]] (12)
*[[Leader Neanderthal]] (14)
}}

==Quotes==

==Errors==
*This was made. Seriously, just look away folks.
==Notes==

{{stub}}

[[Category:Beast Wars episodes]]
[[Category:Clip shows]]

Talk:Starscream (episode)

2010-01-06T13:44:09Z

Chipmonk328: New page: "The reign of Starscream is begun!" is that proper grammar?--Chipmonk328

"The reign of Starscream is begun!" is that proper grammar?--[[User:chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

Talk:Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals (N64)

2010-01-06T11:37:06Z

Chipmonk328: /* Megatron X */

Talk:Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals (N64)

2010-01-06T11:36:53Z

Chipmonk328: /* Megatron X */

Talk:Overhaul (Cybertron)

2010-01-06T11:29:24Z

Chipmonk328:

The CGI model of Leobreaker being designed to have a more coherent hand mode that was based on an earlier design is debatable. Looks more to me like the toy only with fingers and a thumb 'magically' appearing out of nowhere, but that's me.
: We have photos of the earlier design. I should upload those. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:23, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
: Done! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
::Trust me... erm, first guy who didn't register, if you watch Leobreaker's combiner sequence closely, you'll see (via some sneaky camera angles to hide the fact) that they used the one of the earlier prototype designs for the arm mode, then modified it to more closely reflect the final toy. His waist rotates so that his legs face in a different direction to his torso on the arm mode, and his cat-mid-torso flaps end up on the opposite side as opposed to the final toy. Additionally, the Liger Convoy arm has flip-out four claws, just like how the original design of Leobreaker only gave him two claws per lower arm/wrist arm, not three per arm.
::On the actual toy, Takara added this crappy detailing over the gap where the fingers for the combined arm mode were once hidden. You can tell really easily by the molding lines on it. To me, they made a mediocre figure with a decent and possibly fun combined mode into an even more mediocre figure with a crap combined mode. Dissapointing, but that's budget for you. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

----

I would lean towards to thinking this article should be at "Leobreaker (UT)," with Overhaul as the redirect, with the character's role being somewhat more prominent in his second form than in his original. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 08:36, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

My gut reaction is to say "No, you always have to start with the first body", but...we don't have the pages at Optronix, Ariel and A3. I guess what I really mean is "You have to start with the first body that appeared fictionally", but...Wing Saber, not Wing Dagger. So I guess what I REALLY really mean is "You have to start with the first toy". -[[User:LV|LV]] 17:18, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

: "First toy" seems right to me. We do have Rodimus Prime redirecting to Hot Rod, after all. --[[User:67.170.195.216|67.170.195.216]] 20:00, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

== Brawn homage? ==

Overhaul's colours and vehicle mode are VERY close to G1 Brawn. Additionally, Overhaul is also a character unusually strong for his size. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 14:01, 10 November 2009 (EST)
: We already know quite extensively how he was created to be a Trailbreaker homage. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:55, 10 November 2009 (EST)
::Also, the following is already in the trivia: "Overhaul's color scheme is based on ''[[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]]'' [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]]. Although the two share some character traits, that was not the main reason for the color choice: After the "Trailbreaker" idea fell flat due to trademark reasons, he was originally intended to sport ''Generation 1'' [[Outback]]'s colors. Ultimately that deco was also abandoned, and the colors of Outback's [[mold]]-mate Brawn were chosen instead." [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:01, 10 November 2009 (EST)
:::Yeah, I can see that now. For some reason, it didn't load when I made my earlier comment. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 21:55, 10 November 2009 (EST)

==X-23 Joke==
Its not properly linked. I tried fixing it but everytime I hit preview I couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong, so instead I'll give you the link and you guys can sort it out.
http://x-men.wikia.com/wiki/X-23
---[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

User talk:ItsWalky

2010-01-05T09:38:08Z

Chipmonk328: /* Tulsa, Oklahoma */

{{preview bastard}}

--I'm deeply sorry

[[User talk:ItsWalky/2006|2006 Archives]]

[[User talk:ItsWalky/2007|2007 Archives]]

==Things to say to you==
[[Image:Ttoc.GIF|right|thumb|We approve this message.]]

Just some thing I've been wanting to say to David...

First off, you're a monumental asshole. You have an ego the size of a small planet and it's irritating watching you act like an important SOB when you're basically just a nobody.

Second, your webcomics aren't funny. They're boring tripe that makes Penny Arcade look good(and believe me, Penny Arcade is garbage). Cyanide and Happiness is a funny webcomic, yours is not. Your "jokes" are painful, about like watching Michael Richards yell the n-word as a routine. You don't draw a comic, you draw an opinionated blog. I'm not sure which name suits your crap better, "ShitPacked" or "ShortDicked".

Your liberalism and your love of Indiana get on my nerves. You jab at Mallard Filmore? Yeah, one shitty comic making fun of another shitty comic. Or are you just pissed that his gets in newspapers while you're JUST a webcomic? As to Indiana, I live here, and if it were up to me, the state would be walled off and none of the freaks living there allowed to interact with the rest of the planet. The state is about 3 decades behind the times. But something tells me even you know this otherwise you'd still live here. I sure as hell do not live here by choice and as soon as I can, I'm moving far away from this joke of a state.

And your brand loyalty is typical fandom crap. You have Aaron Archer's rod so far down your throat it's unreal. And Aryan fucktard Michael Bay's rod has apparently joined it. I'd say soemthing abotu Don Murphy but he was born without one. Actually, I can say something- he's Kevin "unfunny asshole" Smith with more body fat. Hasbro didn't give the film to a competent director, just a cheap one. And neither Speilberg or ILM have done anything useful in years. Give WETA, or even Tom Savini a chance and we wouldn't be getting Bionicle bots. You're afraid to not like a Hasbro product. No wonder they don't have to go out of the way to please the "fans"- you'll accept it no matter what. But hey, you personally have been sucking off incompetent British bonehead Simon Furman and his shitty stories for years. There are no gods in Transformers. Unicron was built by a monkey, little man. Furman is dog shit.

And go figure this TF wiki is a joke full of misinformation, insults or outright lies- you're a mod here. You're never right. You're more of an incorrect pompous jerkoff than Defunct is. Right, ban me from editing, as if it would somehow matter, any info you don't agree with is pulled. You only have friends because people feel sorry for you. Me, I have no need. People are a commodity to be used and their wants only get in the way of what I'm out for. Use them and drop them.

Who am I? Go look who added a note about you on Encyclopedia Dramatica's Allspark page if you're not too lazy. As well as past AS, Kalidor, FIRRIB and Hooks entries(the hooks entry especially true). Oh, and just info on white people in general and that idiotic Nintendo Wii. I'm not making it that easy for you.
: Is it my birthday? This stuff ''feeds'' me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
: Duuuuude. Walky may be a dick, but I still ''like'' him for some inexplicable reason. You, on the other hand, are just one sore drama queen.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 17:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: This is some of the most funny stuff I've seen in a while. Comedy PLATINUM. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: Bwa ha ha ha ha. Priceless. I think someone needs to get off the internets for a few minutes. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 02:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: Wait, you mean I didn't get drunk and write this? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 05:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: I wish lame puns happened to me. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 20:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Why do I get the feeling that guy has been permanently banned?[[User:Florky Man|Mr. Florky]] 15:55, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Wow, an Encyclopedia Dramatica troll. No need to be so harsh on Walky. I, too, like the Baybots, and, I happen to like Bionicle. Also, his Webcomic is one of my favorites. So, if you have nothing nice to say, never ever EVER come back here.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 16:22, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

==BANNED==

What the hell did I do to warrant a ban, exactly? As far as I'm aware, I don't even think I broke any rules, and if I did, an official warning would be appropriate. I received no such warning. I was not here for trolling and you know that - you use that bullshit excuse to get people to ignore arguments you can't handle. But you, personally, who made this decision, know I'm not a troll.

This is fucking low. I had little enough respect for you down to your ranting against the fanbase, Willis, but this is a whole new level of buggery. If you're going to use your comic to rant against and discredit people you don't like, the least you can do is suck it up when people rant at you back, and not act like a control-freak child.

I really don't think you're aware of your own actions anymore.
*Do the words [[Wikipedia:WP:NPA|no personal attacks]] mean anything to you? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:18, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
:: Do the words "warning before ban" mean anything to you? Rulemongering doesn't justify a decision anyway, since Walky is one of the people making the rules. There were plenty of personal attacks leveled at me, but I did not report them officially.

::I really find it hard to believe that you think it's completely on a rational level of discourse to claim that the comic strip I draw is about child pornography. If I'm not mistaken about your identity, you've been banned from almost every single Transformers web board you've had an acquaintance with, and I'm only doing this place a favor by getting rid of you. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:22, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

::: That's not an excuse. I will openly admit I HAVE been banned from several forums, but only because I repeatedly opposed the staff on each and every one of them; and with good cause, they all have roughly the same problem. People bully others either into liking the movie or to agree with the kind of views you promote - and since nobody can directly attack or discredit anyone, these people(and you are) are left to their methods.
::: For your current decision to be validated, the admins of those boards, boards which are influenced in turn by your anti-fan attitude, would have to be near 100% correct in their decisions, and those decisions would have to occur within a context that would map exactly onto here. Any rational moderator does not base their decisions so much off performance on other boards, especially when it's not even a messageboard they're operating. Two different media. I have openly said I despise all active Transformers boards for their level of authoritarianism, yet level of tolerance towards the pushing of certain viewpoints.

::: Not to mention that you're still operating under the fallacy of Appeal to Majority - that alone means I shouldn't really even have to counter you.

::: And don't even use the "CHILD PORNOGRAPHY" thing as an excuse. Again, any rational moderator would warn several times before a ban, I personally reversed that edit even though it was obviously intended to be a joke as anyone reading this knows what pile'o'bile already is. You have no justification for what you did, but your ego is too big to realise you can actually do wrong with your power. You'll never admit it, but I wouldn't be surprised if some part of you is pissed that I defeated some of your ramblings, whether they were directly written by you or encouraged by you, it's still the kind of guff you normally blew, and I managed to defeat it. You, and the mods of the big sites will always have your ban buttons - but you will NEVER be able to justify your actions to me. That's how I know that I'm in the right, at least in situations like this - solidly backed justification is almost always absent.
:::: Personal attacks + deleting comments in response to you = banno --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:36, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
:::: P.S. Sign your posts. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:36, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

::::: I have never intentionally deleted comments in response to me. I just moved one recently as it was in the middle of a paragraph of text. Not to mention that happened after you banned my original IP. Personal attacks alone are not grounds enough for a ban, especially when you're doing an awful, awful lot to be mercilessly torn into.
Need I point out that once again, you are unable to defend yourself properly? When does the "You're insane?" come? Ganging up of all your little friends since a majority always means you're right?
Do you even realise what a fascist shithead you sound like? Just because you're an admin of a place doesn't give you a free pass to be a dick with it. There's a difference between what you can do and what you should do that you don't seem to have learned yet. [[User:67.159.44.88|67.159.44.88]]

: YOU BAN PEOPLE BECAUSE ****YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE

TRUTH****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111twelve FUCKING FASCIST PIGCOP NAZI WIKIPEDO '''ASSHOLE''' [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:32, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:: My gosh, now that I have seen someone mock the notion, it MUST be untrue. Please, where can I learn these 1337 debating skills?

:::Dude, I've been banned from twice as many forums as you, guaranfuckingteed, but they still let me post here because I'm not as goddamn retarded as you are. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:34, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:::: And can you demonstrate exactly how I'm more retarded than you? Or are you just, Walky style, dropping weighted terms to discredit someone's point of view without even trying?

:::::1. Hoop doesn't delete other people's comments on talk pages. 2. He actually signs his posts, which you've been asked to do many times, but haven't caught on. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:40, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:::::: I didn't delete anything. If I did, it was an accident because someone posted right in the middle of text it wasn't meant to be in the middle of. Not signing my posts doesn't make me retarded since it's blatant when I'm saying something. --[[User:67.159.44.88]]

Actually - come to think of it, you make fun of the idea that anyone running a site can be Nazi, yet you still mention you got banned from many forums. Does that perhaps mean that you genuinely got banned for being an asshole and not opposing the staff/local clique like I did?

:''any rational moderator would warn several times before a ban''
:Not true, some things are auto-ban. I don't think you ''did'' any of them, but I'm just saying.
:Dude- you got an expedited ban because you showed no signs of contrition, argued every point, used personal insults, refused to sign your posts even when '''repeatedly asked to''' (I had to go back into history and dig out which incoherent chunks of text where yours, because the posts weren't hierarchied properly so the debate was really hard to follow. This is why signin posts is important dumbfuck.)
:And ultimately you got banned because you were making a major nuisance of yourself in ''without'' any correlating '''contribution''' to justify keeping you around. You're a negative. You edited 3 articles- Fandom, Shortpacking and Ruined Forever- and ''all' of those edits got reverted because they either flames or crappy jokes that make the articles ''worse''. Even if I were to (generously) believe you didn't intend to start a fight, you picked the 3 flamebaitiest articles you could find and masturbated across them. ''Allah forfend'' you should write an ''episode summary'' or something.
:Unrelated- Walky can Talk:Fandom be semi-protected instead of full? Loserbot isn't registered. -[[User:Derik|Derik]]01:06, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

== Tip ==

If persistent trolls (especially those with offensive usernames) repeatedly re-create their user talk pages, the best method to deal with it would be to include the page on [[Project:Title blacklist]] and delete the vandalism user talk page. This would be better than protecting the actual page since the the vandalism page would technically not exist, won't come up in searches, and won't be indexed on search engines. In addition, the removal of such pages might discourage the trolls since they may see those pages as their accomplishments, which would encourage them to continue their disruption. [[User:GHe|GHe]] ([[User talk:GHe|Talk]]) 00:23, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

== Joepedia permission ==

You'll be happy to know that I have posted on the community talk forum as you suggested. I'll wait for the consensus. Thanks for letting me know before I stepped on EVERYBODY's toes. --[[User:Destron Commander|Destron Commander]] 06:43, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== Talk:Prowl 2 ==

Could you merge [[Talk:Prowl 2]] with [[Talk: Prowl (RID)]]? Nobody is going to be able to find it since [[Prowl 2]] is a redirect. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

== Sorry ==

Sorry Willis, but your talk page has gotten too damned big. I've put all non-active topics into 2006 and 2007 archives except for the topics by Rosalie and Hilarious Stalker Guy. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:30, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
: Thanks, sir. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:55, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

== Destronium ==

Sorry 'bout that, Walky. Inadequate (i.e., zero) warning of edit conflicts happened again. Well, at least you got a better caption the second time around.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 18:57, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

== you deleted the wrong page ==

You deleted "Image talk:Bstreak.gif" instead of "Image:Bstreak.gif". --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:56, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

== Go here. ==

[[Talk:Along Came a Spider]]

--[[User:Fannus Maximus|Fannus Maximus]] 17:37, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

==I think it's time for a pruning==
the To Be Deleted category is has quite a few empty categories, and a ton of troll user paged and images that aren't used anywhere, or just on banned user's pages. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 18:00, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

== Troll user and user talk pages ==

Could you delete the various troll-owned user and user talk pages? It generally isn't a good idea to keep those around. (This includes the fully protected ones. You can add them to [[Transformers Wiki:Title blacklist]] if needed) --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 23:53, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:I oppose this measure as part of my general policy of opposing things. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
::Admiral Kreemzeeks Personal Battleship - Counterpoint.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 21:49, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

== Dunno.... ==

Is it me, or does [[User:MARV 2000|MARV 2000]] act about like Assaulthead did ''before'' he decided to clumsily mash together military weapons, South Park references, and parts of the female anatomy he has never seen?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:22, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
==Waaaiiit...==
When you deleted my Cheetor grin thing on the discussion page, the edit summary was ''"No."'' Does that mean "No, Supreme Cheetor's not the one with the stupid grin," or "No, you can't ask this question here?"
:Or does it mean both? [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 18:51, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::Never mind. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 19:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

==Lame==
Lame. --[[User:Might Gaine|Might Gaine]] 02:16, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

:Dude, I know. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 19:32, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

== sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ==

i didnt vandalize ur page!!! it was my bro he hacked in2 my account i will change my password now!!! [[User:American Girl|American Girl]] 13:53, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

== Wheeljack's ears ==

How about an animated gif of Wheeljack's Ear-Thingies glowing for his page? I don't have one, but I think it'd be a good idea. [[Talk:Wheeljack (G1)]]

[[User:Inferno'sQueen|MISTER Q (Mr. means I'm a GUY)]] 16:28, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think that's necessary. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:36, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
::Well, you're the admin.

[[User:Inferno'sQueen|MISTER Q (Mr. means I'm a GUY)]] 17:57, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

== You should see this... ==

[[Image:Tf name generator.jpg|thumb|300px|This is on the TF Name Generator page.]]
[[User:Inferno'sQueen|MR. Q (I'm a GUY)]] 13:52, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
:He's seen it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:05, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

:Okay. Just making sure he knew about it. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|MR. Q (I'm a GUY)]] 14:28, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

:This looks shopped. I can tell from the pixels, and from seeing quite a few shops in my time.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 16:26, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
::Of course it's photoshopped. Hasbro's Transformer-name generator is not going to call a kid "Bitchpants." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:43, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

== How could you!?! ==

Why would you get rid of the trivia i added, their is nothing wrong and it isn't vandilising so would you mind telling me why it should be deleted and not kept? [[User:Behellmorph|Behellmorph]]
: I did tell you why. Read the edit comment I made when I reverted it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:34, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

:Okay fine, i wasn't paying attention to the replie but have you got a grudge against me or somethin? when i added a picture featuring the Barricade cars you got rid of it. I exept the deletion of the text since i missed what Didgit did but why the picture, could you at least allow me to keep the Riddler triva as least. [[User:Behellmorph|Behellmorph]]
::I got rid of the Barricade shot because, like 30 million other things we had to delete when the first movie was being made, we don't deal in snuck photos from the set or of props or whatever. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:15, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

==Fusion Cannon==
Walky,don´t remove my edits at the fusion cannon page saying there has not been any official release please,it says fusion cannon on the back of the box. [[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 00:12, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
:That would be the back of the box of a toy that has not yet actually been released to retail, would it not?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:15, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

:Is said box in an photograph released by Hasbro or the Fan Club, or of the Hasbro booth at a convention, or from a toy released in actual stores? If not, the box was stolen from Hasbro. We do not post things we only know of because of stolen toys. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:19, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

It did leak out into several stores throughout singapore and the usa though,so i´m pretty sure what i read,and i´m pretty sure i didn´t get it from a thief. [[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 00:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
:It's not officially released, therefore it's offlimits. Them's the breaks. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:40, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Fine,whatever. [[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 09:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

==Spotlights==
Hi -- I left a message on [[Talk:Main Page]] about the Wikia spotlights. Let me know if you have any more problems with stuff like that... I'd be happy to talk with you guys about promoting the site in a way that makes you happy, and not angry. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 17:59, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

== Deletion Log ==

"ItsWalky (Talk | contribs) (deleted "God":" 
"There is more than one god on this wiki.)"
I just wanted to say I found these text strings from today's Deletion Log highly amusing, especially when separated like that. I'm sure there's a lesson in here somewhere.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 02:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

== now that you banned him.. ==

Inferno'sQueen is a Kremzeek sockpuppet. [[User:ShinkisRule|ShinkisRule]] 18:10, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
: And you're another one, huh? Why else would you know, care, or mention this? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:41, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
::Personally, it looks like Kremmy came up with a long string of ridiculous socks to distract away from his "real" account (Inferno's Queen). IQ was where he was actually trying to be a productive member and by comparison to the troll socks would seem sensible. Of course, IQ was still too annoying by half. I'd wager ShinkisRule is his sister again.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:45, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

== Adding photos? ==

Hi Walky,

I'm curious what the rules on Teletraan I are for adding photos. I do some macro photography and thought I could help add some original photos for various articles. Are there any rights issues I should know about? I would like to get a credit for the photo but otherwise I have no other issue (something like this - http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/). I don't even mind hosting if it is necessary.

Furthermore, are there rules to the type of photo format used? (White background/etc?)

[[User:66.130.54.20|66.130.54.20]] 18:49, 3 April 2008 (UTC)The Drifter
:We prefer white backgrounds, yes, and you're welcome to credit yourself when you upload your own images. (They may be automatically released to public domain upon doing so, I am not sure of the specifics. I know our written text is.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:58, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
::I know we do have [[Template:Copyleft]] for use in tagging images for copyleft licensing.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

== Moving mirrorverse Prime ==

The Prime in ''Games of Deception'' is G1 prime, right? Going on standard disambuig, mirrorverse Prime should be at [[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime (Timelines)]] as he is the only Optimus Prime introduced in the Timelines line. Also, is there another Ruckus in Timelines? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 05:03, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
:I still think we should be using (Shattered Glass) for all the Shattered Glass guys, and not (Timelines). I think that makes the articles more easily recognizable for what they are when seen by people browsing through catgeories. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 05:14, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

==Monaco skin==

Hi Walky -- I posted on the [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#Monaco skin|Community portal]] last week about moving this wiki over to the new Monaco skin. It's had some discussion, but nothing so far from the admins. What do you think? -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 19:18, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

== Yeah, I'm spamming ==

Canvassing a few talkpages here so we can get folks to weigh in and finalize the potential Wiki image policy. Your input would be appreciated at [[Transformers Wiki talk:Images]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:34, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

== Main page talk:Premiums ==

I'm a winner but the post is gone?!? *confusion* [[User:BenHur|BenHur]] 16:07, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:You're not supposed to post toy sightings on the main page's discussion page. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:20, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
::Sorry, didn't know! [[User:BenHur|BenHur]] 16:23, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Close to the top of [[Talk:Main Page]], it says, "Please use this talk page for discussion about the Main Page." Please read pages before you edit them. [[User:JW|JW]] 16:31, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Sorry again.

== Well, I suppose he's going to have to hate you even longer. ==

[[User:Bonescrusher|Bonescrusher]] states on his userpage that he's [[User:FIELDMAN 298|FIELDMAN 298]] (and felt the need to update his old userpage). He is also saying he is the (as of yet unblocked) user [[User:St.Hound|St.Hound]]. This is the dink that keeps vandalizing your creator/artist page on the wiki, but says he'll stop now. But he still feels the need to say he hates you and everyone you've ever loved.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:49, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

== Garbage In, Garbage Out ==

Seriously, it looks to me as if there's nothing left of Wreck-Gar but his upper chest and shoulders, and even that is half-buried in the river-bottom mud. I take it you disagree.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 04:24, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
:Definitely looks like he's buried, because he actually pulls his right shoulder out of the ocean floor during the sequence. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:39, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
::If he was missing most of himself, they'd, y'know, show some wiring down there. Also, not show him buried! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:55, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Looking at it again, I guess I can see how the rest of his body could be there, but at the angle he was lying and the way his arm stubs were shown, I just got the impression that what we saw of him was practically all there was left. If there was more of his body intact, I'd have expected it to be more visible. Then again, I'm nitpicking the realism of a half-buried giant, transforming, cartoon robot.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 18:58, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
::::On this, I agree with Willis - he's mostly intact, just more than half-buried in the silt - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:15, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

==Rhinox555 gettin' cranky==
If you have a moment to check out [[Talk:Waspinator (BW)|Talk:Waspinator]], it's possible that [[User:Rhinox555]] has reached the point where he needs a time-out. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:15, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

== Nobody can wait for a year ==
Please give me another chance, I felt like leaving the funny business to you guys. This is the logged out Black Rhino Ranger speaking. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 06:08, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

== Red ==

I must've not reverted right. It's a photo caption, since Red isn't in the picture I don't see the point of mentioning him in the caption. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:45, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
: I do. I see a point. Hell, I wrote the damn thing. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:48, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

==huh==

You know, I've been here for a whiel, and I've been reading shortpacked for a while...and I only realised who you were half an hour ago. Mad, huh? Anyway, since I like dolling out praise for no real reason, I'm a fan f your comics, and hope you keep up the excellent work. And yes, Ani Grimlock's tail is too short [[User:GWolfv2]]

==Harley Has Returned==

Well, it was painful and boring waiting a month. But I've re-registered my account - though I'm still ticked off about being locked out for trying to get rid of a really stupid argument on my Talk page. I guess I should have asked a mod or something for advice though... And NOW I've got to put my User-page back up to be smug and self-satisfied about how amazing I am ALL OVER AGAIN. *sigh* Oh well...

And just for the record, I may not be able to add many new pages (my range is still limited) but I've been buying lots of toys lately, so I ought to be able to help with expanding on those sections, if not entire articles. Yours, [[User:Harley Quinn hyenaholic|Harley Quinn hyenaholic]] 10:29, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

== Photos ==

Whoops! A few friends of mine told me they were official. I had no idea they were leaked. Thanks for the heads up!I'll be more careful.[[User:Homey|Homey]] 10:59, 12 April 2009 (EDT)

Hey, ItsWalky! I found out the photos weren't leaked;they were from the official transformers video game site(I went there, logged in and saw them) so it's not against policy. But thank you anyway![[User:Homey|Homey]] 12:02, 12 April 2009 (EDT)
: If that's the case, then okey-doke. But note that you shouldn't overwrite Megatron's image with the new render, as you did before. The filename says "Defiance" in it, which is where the image you're overwriting is from, and that makes the filename wrong. Plus, that's his article's main image, and we use the character's first body up there. We don't update it with new bodies as they come out. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:24, 12 April 2009 (EDT)

== Goddammit ==

Turn your anonymous LJ commentary back on. Those Moylan's fans have probably lost interest/are too busy slagging off the Animated episodes and the ROTF CG renders. Goddammit. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:02, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

== Vandalism ==

This is just going to a general comment section to inform you of vandalism. Remove all messages after this per deny recognition. Anyway, guess who reared his ugly head...I'd call him a repressed homosexual if I thought he was old enough to understand half of what he wrote. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 23:03, 5 May 2009 (EDT)
:http://www.ip-adress.com/ip_tracer/76.247.222.101
:http://www.ip-adress.com/whois/76.247.222.101
:There are phone numbers there. Any of em useable to report him and hopefully get his internet yanked or access to this site blocked or something? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:07, 5 May 2009 (EDT)
::Does AT&T have an abuse phone number/email address? I can't find one on their site. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:42, 5 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I've found a form [http://helpme.att.net/servabuse.php here] and sent in an abuse report. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:43, 5 May 2009 (EDT)
::::Can someone who has access save the server access logs for the incident? AT&T will almost certainly want them. (Do we even have access to them here?) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:55, 5 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::OK, AT&T have requested the server logs of the incident. I think we have a real chance of something getting done about this problem here! Does anyone have access to the server logs, or do we need to ask Bookworm for them? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:53, 6 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::As a sysop, you have access to that IP's [[Special:DeletedContributions/76.247.222.101|deleted user contributions]], which might be what they're looking for. That's the vandalism and harassment, after all.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:23, 6 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::I'll see if they'll accept those. I've sent an email to Scout asking about getting a copy of the apache access logs as well. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:02, 6 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::::I haven't had a reply from Scout yet, so at this stage I've done all I can. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:53, 7 May 2009 (EDT)

::Heh. It might be quicker for me to spend 20 minuted to drive to AT&T HQ and complain in person. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 23:57, 5 May 2009 (EDT)

Just to give the admins a little heads up if you haven't already noticed... Fuck Detour (or one of the new user names he's come up with) is back.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 16:41, 15 May 2009 (EDT)
:I killed 'im and mass-deleted his contributions.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:46, 15 May 2009 (EDT)
::Have we yet managed to link those phone numbers to a person? Sending death threats across the Internet is a felony, after all....--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 17:48, 15 May 2009 (EDT)
:::They've asked for server access logs... From what I heard mainly Bookworm and Scout have access to them and we haven't heard from them. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:12, 15 May 2009 (EDT)
::::Yeah, I never heard back from Scout the last time. AT&T won't do anything without server logs as proof the accesses took place. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:59, 15 May 2009 (EDT)

== LOTS OF SHOUTING ==

Diff between the first time MM edited 13OT and your last edit. Note the redundancy, which you added twice: http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Thirteen_original_Transformers&diff=301258&oldid=301026

I also note that all your summaries on Recent Changes were SHOUTING, including you blocking MM for "deleting content". - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:16, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
: Of course I was shouting. Some crazy dude tries to delete Logos Prime from this wiki every other Sunday. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:18, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

== Kup ==

Primus, I'm sorry about that. Didn't mean for that to happen, must have been a glitch. Thanks for catching it. [[User:Thanos6|Thanos6]] 22:15, 2 June 2009 (EDT)

== Bumper as a Brazilian character. ==

Hope i'm posting this on the right place...

I did put a cap under Animated Bumper image that said "In Brazil, people know who i am."

I did not mean to say that he's brazilian, but that his toy was among the first wave of the original G1 Transformers released here during the 80's and because of that, lots of fans in Brazil remember him almost as much as Cliffjumper or Bumblebee.

Just wanted to make this clear. I used the caption under the image again, but if you think it shouldn't be used anyway, be my guest and delete it. --[[User:Akumateukuma|Akumateukuma]] 23:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Megatron and the nuts ==

It's not MTMTE1 but osme other epesode, but I'm not motivated enough to go and watch the entire show again just to find it and this is the only screen shot I could find:
[[Image:Prime Nutshot.jpg]]
It looks pretty authentic to me. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 12:13, 18 June 2009 (EDT)
:Works for a sight gag, but as far as serious info goes, that's a shot to the breadbasket, not the nutsack.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 12:36, 18 June 2009 (EDT)
::Yeah, we can SEE Megatron's "balls" in that shot. That black ridge between the legs? And they're not getting kicked. His stomach is. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:25, 18 June 2009 (EDT)
:::HOW DO YOU KNOW, WALKY? HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT MEGATRON DOESN'T KEEP HIS NARDS IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS ABDOMEN?! [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 14:44, 18 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Me am GNS and me has dis ta sez!
::::Megatron be happy dat Optimus no has jet boots or hiz plastic pubes be on fire!!!
::::Me worships your Lordship and desires to ask ?, why Hot Shot no get fingers win Powerlinx wit others? IT nO fAiR1!1!1!!! [[User:GuyNamedSean|GuyNamedSean]] 07:25, 9 July 2009 (EDT)

== Logo ==

Hey Walky, do you have a largish (or just clear enough for legibility at A4 size) version of our logo that I can print out? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:19, 22 June 2009 (EDT)
[[Image:Wikilogofakebig.jpg|300px]]
: Not really, but here it is blown up a little more! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:23, 22 June 2009 (EDT)
::Thanks :D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:29, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

Image:Teletraan corner.psd - This is as close to print quality as I have the other design elements. Lemme know when you've downloaded it, so I can nuke it off our filespace.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:30, 22 June 2009 (EDT)
:As I mentioned in the talkpage, do you have one with our URL on it instead of "Teletraan-1"? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:31, 22 June 2009 (EDT)
::Oh, right, right. That was the old version Gimme a sec and I'll fix it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:32, 22 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Done.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:38, 22 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Thanks, done. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 00:00, 23 June 2009 (EDT)

==ROTF little one - Hightower or Scrapper==

I was going by the alt modes we see on deck. Scrapper's a front loader type thing, whereas Hightower is a crane, which looks similar to the one we see in the film...although that little one image does have that double pronged end on his hand. I also though Scrapper was the one chasing Sam and Mikeala, used a wrecking ball. Anyway, if it is decided it's Scrapper, you'll need to transfer/rewrite the bit for Hightower's page I did. [[User:Eire|Eire]] 22.55 27th June 2009
:It isn't Hightower. Hightower is a truss crane and is quite large. The unnamed dead guy was a smaller excavator-type vehicle. In fact, he's quite similar to the incorrect vehicle mode Demolishor was given in the ROTF adaptation comic. Scrapper was the guy with the mace-fist that chased after Sam & Mikeala. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:31, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

== GIVE ME YOUR FACE ==

Hey David, since you enjoy this even more than I do, can you think of any way of working [http://sale.images.woot.com/Transformers_4_Foot_Wall_Graphixl8iDetail.jpg this Prime image] into the wiki? Normally we'd say something about a purse, but... --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:33, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

== List of characters who have defeated Ravage ==

Shouldn't [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] be among them? ;) [[User:Gearshift|Gearshift]] 03:30, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
: Different Ravage! But hm. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:28, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

I think this list would be even cooler than it already is with storylinks included. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 15:07, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

== SG Thunderwing ==

OK, I was looking through the revision history on the "Shattered Glass (franchise)" page, and I found a red-link to an article on Shattered Glass Thunderwing. Upon closer inspection, I found that not only was the article linked to in "Thunderwing (disambiguation)", you were the one who added him to the "Shattered Glass (franchise) page in the first place. Can you please tell me where it came from? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:41, 23 July 2009 (EDT)
: An illustration from "Blitzwing Bop" that was shown at BotCon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:59, 25 July 2009 (EDT)

Let me guess. Coloured like Crossblades? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:18, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
: Universe Silverbolt with a new Thunderwing head, colored like Thunderwing. --[[Special:Contributions/72.255.107.28|72.255.107.28]] 16:07, 30 July 2009 (EDT)

Don't you just hate it when someone suddenly cracks the mirror again? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:40, 1 August 2009 (EDT)

== New article I'm working on ==

Hi I'm currently working on two articles, well one is more finished then that other but still. Now I'm talking about [[User:Dead_Metal/DMsscrapheap#Hasbro_UK_exclusive_limited_Edition_Handmade_Samples|this one]] I don't feel it'S finished enough or up to standards to be posted yet. What do you think, any things I should improve? [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 14:22, 27 July 2009 (EDT)

== AllSpark Almanac shout-out ==
I want to say, I truly appreciate the shout-out on your blog. I have a request - if you're going to link to the book on amazon, would you mind using this link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1600104878?ie=UTF8&tag=thar-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=1600104878
Doing so will give me credit on my amazon account, and let's me better track sales. If you'd rather not, no big deal.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 00:02, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
:Thank you. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 09:52, 20 August 2009 (EDT)

== New Discovery ==

OK, I've been looking around the "TFWiki Problems" thread on the Allspark, and I've discovered [[Talk:Tactician|this]]. Eight words: Previously. Discovered. And. Forgotten. Page. Made. By. Assaulthead. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 07:17, 31 August 2009 (EDT)

== image ==

I just saw you deleted an Elita-1 image, out of curiosity was that image the concept one?
: Of course. We delete that image at least once a month. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:13, 26 September 2009 (EDT)

==Replacing other folks' uploaded images==
I've noticed that you've replaced images a good few times over the years. Sometimes it's for better quality, but others I can't see why. My Bludgeon one? Aspect ratio? Your filename is nigh identical. Others, but can't recall off hand. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 12:39, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
: Well, your Bludgeon image was '''1700 pixels across'''. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:02, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
::All the better to see you with, my dear! {{redact|Fecking Office Picture Manager fecks up the compression stuff!}} [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 12:36, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Yeah, images can't be that big. They really, really can't. If you are incapable of uploading smaller images, I would suggest not uploading them. We do so so much money on bandwidth, dude, and that's money we gotta pay. Furthermore, large files can muck up our auto-backup systems. It's just not a good idea. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:21, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
::::And it makes the site Dial-up friendlier!--[[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 13:51, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::Not strictly, no. The images you see inlined on the pages aren't thumbnails, but images scaled at that size. Separate files from the ones we upload. You could click through that scaled-down image to get to the bigger one, but if you're on dialup and you do that, it's your own fault. :) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:05, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

:::"Fecking Office Picture Manager fecks up the compression stuff!": [http://irfanview.com Irfanview]. Yes I'm pimping this program yet again, but it's free and is totally wonderful at both resizing and compressing stuff small while keeping image quality looking good. It has some nice basic sharpen/color adjustment options ''and'' a built-in program for capturing from a scanner, too. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:10, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

== Ravage ==

Might want to [[:Image:SpotlightSoundwave Bludgeon defeatsLaserbeakRavage.jpg|add this to your list]]. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:27, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

== I thought you should know ==

that I got into trouble for defending you and Shortpacked on TFW2005. I might try to push my luck, since it's Fosterlager who gave me the infraction warning (the second he's given me with regards to defending you and the TFWiki in general). Also - why did you disable anon commenting again? :( --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:07, 19 October 2009 (EDT)
: I'm not surprised that I see no evidence of you in that thread! Those guys are super delete-happy. Anonymous posting is back on as of now. I turned it off because there were a few shitheads the other day. Anonymous-disabling is kind of like shithead protection. Keeps the place from turning into 4chan. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:40, 19 October 2009 (EDT)
::Oh, sorry to hear that. I like to occasionally comment on your blog, but I don't wanna get an LJ account (don't have anything to talk about in my life). Thanks for turning anon commenting back on. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:48, 19 October 2009 (EDT)

== Jolt ==

The Blu-Ray manages to show a pretty clear image of Jolt's robot mode just before he attaches his electro-whips. Should we use it as his main pic? [http://images.dwteam.org/tf/snapshot20091023081257.jpg Yeah, he's standing in front of Jetfire, but one can make him out pretty darn easily.] And 1080p = clear big ass pic. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:55, 24 October 2009 (EDT)
: On one hand, yeah, that's a nice clear picture of him, and probably the only one we get in the movie of his whole body unblurred. On the other, the current main image is, uh, more accurate? Sort of? I mean, it's not just hilarious, but it's generally true. Jolt is always just over somebody's shoulder. I enjoy that all of Jolt's images are out of focus or from under somebody's shoulder. I am not saying no. I'm saying why I like the current setup, but not that it can't change. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:41, 24 October 2009 (EDT)
::Funny part of that "best image we have of him" is if I didn't know what I was looking for I doubt I'd even notice his tangle of metal was meant to be something seperate from Jetfire's. I'm not really a hater of the movie look, but in situations like this it's like a ink-blot test trying to seperate what's him from what's jetfire. Atleast in the blury pics I can easily see what it is I'm not seeing clearly.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.72.27|76.28.72.27]] 20:46, 24 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Well, one thing you've imparted upon me over the years, Walky, is that sometimes it is best to effectively show the character's design rather than to maintain a joke or to convey characterisation, if a better image of the character exists (which is probably why we recently had the discussion over changing [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]] and [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock's]] main images). And yeah, I agree with you that Jolt is defined as "dude who turns up out of nowhere and cannot be seen clearly", but I think it's also pretty important to give our readers at least one good, clear image of him, because, fuck, even with this we're still sketchy on what he's supposed to look like.--[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:26, 25 October 2009 (EDT)
::::I think the image we have now as the mainpic is still clearer than the Blu-Ray shot..even if it is blurry because Jolt's in the background, you can see his design much better because he's not standing in front of anything. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 09:45, 25 October 2009 (EDT)

== That guy ==

[http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Masterman555 Might want to clean house while you're at it,] as you blocked only his alt account, and apparently he hasn't noticed. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:48, 30 October 2009 (EDT)

== OK..... ==

Before we get into a pointless edit-war over one letter, I want to discuss it.

I just don't get why you changed it in the first place. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:49, 20 November 2009 (EST)
: American spelling? What is there to discuss? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:53, 20 November 2009 (EST)
::Why? What exactly was so wrong about the British spelling that it needed to be changed? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 06:05, 21 November 2009 (EST)
:::If you will read our Style Guide, you will note that there is a clause that states that we will use the form of English that the article has the strongest ties to. Shattered Glass stories are written by American dudes in an American form of English. So I changed it. Similarly, when I upload images of comic panels from Marvel UK books, I put the "u" in "colouring." I am merely being consistent. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:20, 21 November 2009 (EST)

==Suggestion for a new project==
Walky

I was going over a lot of popular pages and I noticed that we're missing quotes for numerous well known characters from multiple continuities. I thought we might set up a wiki project where we make a co-ordinated effort to add some. I could have a go myself, but for some it requires familiarity with media that I haven't seen. What do you think?

Ps If I crossed the line getting involved in that mignash thing, I'd like to apologise. I can see how I was probably sticking my nose in where its not wanted.

Best wishes

Michael[[User:Eire]] 20.02 Nov 24 09 (UTC)
: I'm of the mind that we shouldn't push quotes on sections or characters unless they're called for in some way, or if they actually add to the article. I don't want quotes for the sake of quotes-having. Other than that criteria, I don't mind quotes being added to pages. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:31, 24 November 2009 (EST)

==Vortex Blurr and Wingblade images==
After about 5 minutes of 'WTF' I get it now. At least, thanks for tagging the deletions. I was wondering why every new TFA toy had a description save for Blurr, but it's all clear. Sorry, I was under the impression that Thundercracker had been released in the US. I understand about the image removal thing. Sorry about the mixup. [[User:Dchallofjustice|Dchallofjustice]] 00:30, 30 November 2009 (EST)
: It is okay! We still love you. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:33, 30 November 2009 (EST)

== At Fight's End ==

Shouldn't we wait a month before adding this stuff like we do with every other aspect of the Club's members-only content? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:49, 27 December 2009 (EST)
: I am, sir. I have only added information from the 3-page preview in Club issue 30 that is a month and a half old. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:09, 27 December 2009 (EST)
::Oh, it's from the issue the Club failed to send all its international members within reasonable delays. Gotcha. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:17, 27 December 2009 (EST)
:::Didn't the post office lose a bag, and the Club remailed everything to everyone again at no extra charge? Yeah, they're a bunch of fucking shitheads. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:22, 27 December 2009 (EST)

==On an unrelated note: Thank you.==
I know this is an odd place to say it, but I figured if I only said it once, it wouldn't be a bother so here goes: Thank You. Shortpacked is hilarious, and when not laughing, I'm agreeing with alot of the statements the main character makes. (and feeling like I was the only one who noticed some of them, like the one about General Discussions.) I also noticed your a Hot Shot fan, which is also awesome. I also noticed its due to the efforts of you and other people here that the move was made from Wikia to Tfwiki, which was a good idea so I also want to say a long overdue thank you for doing that as well, and finally: thanks for doing what you can for this site, because without this site, I'd be out of the loops on Club Exclusive things, and other Misc. Transformers related content. I go here frequently for information (or lolz) and I'm quite sure not only me but many others are grateful to you and all others who help contribute to this place.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
:Thanks, and we do our best! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:08, 4 January 2010 (EST)
==Tulsa, Oklahoma==
Sorry to bother you (I tried to avoid saying something again sense I already did the 'Thank you' earlier, but I HAD to ask about this). Had nothing better to do so I've been reading shortpacked's full archive beginning to end today. (Well I'm currently on July 6 2009 to be fair) and I noticed something that I just HAD to ask about. I've noticed once you mentioned Oklahoma. I ignored it the first time but then later you said "Tulsa". Now you got me curious, because I live in Tulsa and thus wondered what made you decide to choose to mention here of all places, sense basically nothing ever happens here. (Aside from the occasional Convention and the recent BOK center. Granted I may be moving to Florida in a few years..I really hope so. Been here my whole life and its boring) Just thought I'd ask, before curiosity drove me nuts. Keep up the good work on the comic, peace.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

EDIT: haha on second thought..maybe I should've said this at Walkypedia..or do you even go there? (I'd assume you do.) Oh well, my mistake I guess. Hope you'll still answer my question regardless. lol--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

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2009-12-25T21:53:41Z

Chipmonk328:

Back after the [[Project: Bookworm Crash|Bookworm Crash]].
[[Image:Onegenerationshattered.jpg|350px|thumb|right|The mirrorverse is roughly 50% blue cannons by volume.]]
What is there to know? I'm a fandubber who intends to go into Professional Voice acting soon. I also am a huge Transformers fan (obviously) and have been one sense Beast Wars was new. (I watched it when I was about 5 years old) I'm currently 20. Birthday is May 11th. I'm a guy. My typical nickname is "Sephi" but my name is Chris. Some of my favorite voice actors are Chuck Huber, Spike Spencer, Scott McNeil and Chris Sabat. I've been a member of this place sense it was Teletraan 1 at Wikia.
[[Image:CyKill.gif|left|250px|thumb|" Currently Killing Cy-kill. Please leave a message, Beep."]]
I find Cykills deaths funny, and am a huge Beast wars Fan (obviously, I mean it was my first Transformers show) but I also love the current movies and G1. I pretty much have shunned Transformers Animated because it looks too childish, but I hear good of it so I MIGHT give it a shot. I loved Armada at the time it was new, but now go back to it and feel its sad how often they talked and how there was so little action in it. Cybertron is pretty cool, but could be better, and Energon sucked.
[[Image:Thegathering1d.jpg||right|350px|thumb|" Everyone in the pool! "]]
Beast Wars will always hold a place in my heart of course. I'm also a huge Star Wars fan (Expanded Universe anyways..all six of the movies are kinda meh) and Anime Otaku. I'm into Naruto and many other Shonen, though I'm also into American Marvel Comics, largely because I grew up watching the old X-men and Spider-man cartoons (not the ancient ones, just the older ones). (Again, when I was about 5 or so)
[[Image:Coming of the Fuzors 1 Megatron fuzors.jpg|left|350px|thumb|Now we know, and knowing is half the battle. ''(G.I. JOE!!!)'']]
I also am a gamer..a bigtime one. I'm a huge fan of fighting games, and FPS, though I like some RPGs too. I love Tekken, Halo and Final Fantasy for sure. But there's plenty others I like..uhm..just ask if you wish to know more.

User:Chipmonk328

2009-12-25T21:52:38Z

Chipmonk328:

Back after the [[Project: Bookworm Crash|Bookworm Crash]].
[[Image:Onegenerationshattered.jpg|350px|thumb|right|The mirrorverse is roughly 50% blue cannons by volume.]]
What is there to know? I'm a fandubber who intends to go into Professional Voice acting soon. I also am a huge Transformers fan (obviously) and have been one sense Beast Wars was new. (I watched it when I was about 5 years old) I'm currently 20. Birthday is May 11th. I'm a guy. My typical nickname is "Sephi" but my name is Chris. Some of my favorite voice actors are Chuck Huber, Spike Spencer, Scott McNeil and Chris Sabat. I've been a member of this place sense it was Teletraan 1 at Wikia.
[[Image:CyKill.gif|left|250px|thumb|" Currently Killing Cy-kill. Please leave a message, Beep."]]
I find Cykills deaths funny, and am a huge Beast wars Fan (obviously, I mean it was my first Transformers show) but I also love the current movies and G1. I pretty much have shunned Transformers Animated because it looks too childish, but I hear good of it so I MIGHT give it a shot. I loved Armada at the time it was new, but now go back to it and feel its sad how often they talked and how there was so little action in it. Cybertron is pretty cool, but could be better, and Energon sucked.
[[Image:gathering.jpg|right|350px|thumb|" He's going 'batty', ahuck! "]]
Beast Wars will always hold a place in my heart of course. I'm also a huge Star Wars fan (Expanded Universe anyways..all six of the movies are kinda meh) and Anime Otaku. I'm into Naruto and many other Shonen, though I'm also into American Marvel Comics, largely because I grew up watching the old X-men and Spider-man cartoons (not the ancient ones, just the older ones). (Again, when I was about 5 or so)
[[Image:Coming of the Fuzors 1 Megatron fuzors.jpg|left|350px|thumb|Now we know, and knowing is half the battle. ''(G.I. JOE!!!)'']]
I also am a gamer..a bigtime one. I'm a huge fan of fighting games, and FPS, though I like some RPGs too. I love Tekken, Halo and Final Fantasy for sure. But there's plenty others I like..uhm..just ask if you wish to know more.

Talk:Beast Wars timeline

2009-12-22T23:14:04Z

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Talk:Beast Wars timeline

2009-12-22T23:13:15Z

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User talk:Chipmonk328

2009-12-22T21:21:37Z

Chipmonk328:

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Seriously, please make just ''one'' save to your userpage after you've done everything you want to it. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:44, 22 December 2009 (EST)
:I wasn't sure what I wanted to do with it at first, I honestly didn't mean for it to be saved multiple times. Just ignore it, speaking of saves, newest things done, etc. page..where is it? I can't find it anywhere! Would clicking "this is a minor edit" help make it less annoying?--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
::Clicking the "preview" button would make it less annoying. The preview button shows you exactly how your edit will look when you post it, so there's no need to keep making lots of little saves every time you tweak things.
::And, [[Special:Recentchanges|Recent Changes]] will show you all of the latest edits to the wiki. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:49, 22 December 2009 (EST)
I know there is a preview feature..I know what its going to look like, I even use the preview feature, I just don't know what I want to do with my profile. I decide what to do with it, AS I do it. I suppose I'll try tabs so I can multitask better if its really that bothersome, though personally I didn't think I was being that bad about it. Oh and thanks for the link. [[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

-.- given the template warning about clicking preview..I would object, but then I checked the link you gave me. So I'm apologizing, because I didn't realize I did that bad with the save button. I'll do my best not to do that anymore >.>--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

User:Chipmonk328

2009-12-22T21:04:55Z

Chipmonk328:

Back after the [[Project: Bookworm Crash|Bookworm Crash]].
[[Image:Onegenerationshattered.jpg|350px|thumb|right|The mirrorverse is roughly 50% blue cannons by volume.]]
What is there to know? I'm a fandubber who intends to go into Professional Voice acting soon. I also am a huge Transformers fan (obviously) and have been one sense Beast Wars was new. (I watched it when I was about 5 years old) I'm currently 20. Birthday is May 11th. I'm a guy. My typical nickname is "Sephi" but my name is Chris. Some of my favorite voice actors are Chuck Huber, Spike Spencer, Scott McNeil and Chris Sabat. I've been a member of this place sense it was Teletraan 1 at Wikia.
[[Image:CyKill.gif|left|250px|thumb|" Currently Killing Cy-kill. Please leave a message, Beep."]]
I find Cykills deaths funny, and am a huge Beast wars Fan (obviously, I mean it was my first Transformers show) but I also love the current movies and G1. I pretty much have shunned Transformers Animated because it looks too childish, but I hear good of it so I MIGHT give it a shot. I loved Armada at the time it was new, but now go back to it and feel its sad how often they talked and how there was so little action in it. Cybertron is pretty cool, but could be better, and Energon sucked.
[[Image:gathering.jpg|right|250px|thumb|" He's going 'batty', ahuck! "]]
Beast Wars will always hold a place in my heart of course. I'm also a huge Star Wars fan (Expanded Universe anyways..all six of the movies are kinda meh) and Anime Otaku. I'm into Naruto and many other Shonen, though I'm also into American Marvel Comics, largely because I grew up watching the old X-men and Spider-man cartoons (not the ancient ones, just the older ones). (Again, when I was about 5 or so)
[[Image:Coming of the Fuzors 1 Megatron fuzors.jpg|left|350px|thumb|Now we know, and knowing is half the battle. ''(G.I. JOE!!!)'']]
I also am a gamer..a bigtime one. I'm a huge fan of fighting games, and FPS, though I like some RPGs too. I love Tekken, Halo and Final Fantasy for sure. But there's plenty others I like..uhm..just ask if you wish to know more.

User:Chipmonk328

2009-12-22T21:03:04Z

Chipmonk328:

Back after the [[Project: Bookworm Crash|Bookworm Crash]].
[[Image:Onegenerationshattered.jpg|350px|thumb|right|The mirrorverse is roughly 50% blue cannons by volume.]]
What is there to know? I'm a fandubber who intends to go into Professional Voice acting soon. I also am a huge Transformers fan (obviously) and have been one sense Beast Wars was new. (I watched it when I was about 5 years old) I'm currently 20. Birthday is May 11th. I'm a guy. My typical nickname is "Sephi" but my name is Chris. Some of my favorite voice actors are Chuck Huber, Spike Spencer, Scott McNeil and Chris Sabat. I've been a member of this place sense it was Teletraan 1 at Wikia.
[[Image:CyKill.gif|left|250px|thumb|" Currently Killing Cy-kill. Please leave a message, Beep."]]
I find Cykills deaths funny, and am a huge Beast wars Fan (obviously, I mean it was my first Transformers show) but I also love the current movies and G1. I pretty much have shunned Transformers Animated because it looks too childish, but I hear good of it so I MIGHT give it a shot. I loved Armada at the time it was new, but now go back to it and feel its sad how often they talked and how there was so little action in it. Cybertron is pretty cool, but could be better, and Energon sucked.
[[Image:gathering.jpg|right|250px|thumb|" He's going 'batty', ahuck! "]]
Beast Wars will always hold a place in my heart of course. I'm also a huge Star Wars fan and Anime Otaku. I'm into Naruto and many other Shonen, though I'm also into American Marvel Comics, largely because I grew up watching the old X-men and Spider-man cartoons (not the ancient ones, just the older ones). (Again, when I was about 5 or so)
[[Image:Coming of the Fuzors 1 Megatron fuzors.jpg|left|350px|thumb|Now we know, and knowing is half the battle. ''(G.I. JOE!!!)'']]
I also am a gamer..a bigtime one. I'm a huge fan of fighting games, and FPS, though I like some RPGs too. I love Tekken, Halo and Final Fantasy for sure. But there's plenty others I like..uhm..just ask if you wish to know more.

User talk:Chipmonk328

2009-12-22T20:52:21Z

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2009-12-22T20:46:49Z

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2009-12-22T20:46:14Z

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2009-12-22T20:46:03Z

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2009-12-22T20:32:30Z

Chipmonk328:

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2009-12-22T20:32:02Z

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2009-12-22T20:31:42Z

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2009-12-22T20:10:38Z

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2009-12-22T20:09:11Z

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