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Starscream's Brigade

2026-03-10T19:10:42Z

Chris rabbit: /* Continuity errors */ the Insecticons were part of the Decepticon roster, at the time of this episode, so it was additionally out of the ordinary not to see them

{{episode
|image=Starscreamsbrigade2.jpg
|caption=Surely, this will be his moment to shine...or not.
|series=G1toon
|ep=62
|series2=SRLFtoon
|ep2=53
|prev2=Auto-Bop
|next2=The Revenge of Bruticus
|series3=''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (cartoon)|Transformers: Generation 2]]''
|ep3=19
|prev3=Triple Takeover
|next3=The Revenge of Bruticus
|title="Starscream's Brigade"
|season=2
|season ep=46
|written by=[[Michael Charles Hill]]
|production code=700-61
|airdate=[[January 7]], 1986
|production company=[[Sunbow Productions]]
|animation studio=[[Toei Animation|Toei]], [[Nakamura Production]], [[Sei Young Animation Co. Ltd.]]
|continuity=[[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]
|video=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdeazdZCDfg
|videosite=YouTube
}}
'''After his latest attempt to overthrow Megatron's rule of the Decepticons, Starscream is banished from HQ, but this time, he hatches a plan...'''

==Synopsis==
[[File:Starscreamsbrigade1.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|YOU'RE FIRED!]]
In [[1943]], at the height of [[World War II]], [[human]]s waged war on one another on the island of [[Guadalcanal]] in the south Pacific. Their wrecked and useless vehicles lay there untouched through the decades, until the present time—[[1985]].

Within [[Decepticon Headquarters (G1 Earth)|Decepticon Headquarters]], [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] and [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] are having a spat over the fact Megatron favors [[Shockwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Shockwave]]. Predictably, it ends with Starscream shooting Megatron in the back and proclaiming himself the new leader. Megatron recovers after a few seconds, knocking Starscream to the ground. The rest of the Decepticons refuse to obey Starscream's order to kill Megatron, so he attempts to flee, only to be shot down by Megatron. At the Decepticon leader's order, [[Laserbeak (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Laserbeak]] carries Starscream away and dumps him on Guadalcanal.

Humiliated and infuriated, Starscream stumbles upon the remnants of some old World War II vehicles, which inspire him to create an army of his own. He forces his way past [[Thundercracker (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Thundercracker]] and [[Skywarp (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Skywarp]], who are guarding the [[space bridge]], and travels to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. There he breaks into a [[Decepticon Detention Center]] and liberates the [[personality component]]s of five [[Renegade Decepticon]]s. Returning to Guadalcanal, he installs them into the wrecked vehicles, which transform into the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]]. The quarrelsome warriors are not happy with their new bodies and threaten simply to beat Starscream to a pulp, until he reveals that their new bodies do not contain [[energy absorber]]s, without which they cannot refuel: "No energy, no life." In exchange for the needed equipment, the Combaticons agree to obey Starscream's orders for the moment.

[[File:StarscreamsBrigade Vortex capture.jpg|right|upright=1.1|thumb|It was a whirlwind romance.]]
[[Jazz (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Jazz]] and [[Cliffjumper (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Cliffjumper]] are making a public appearance at the unveiling of the [[Optimus Prime memorial]] when Starscream and the Combaticons attack. The two [[Autobot]]s are badly outnumbered. The statue is soon in ruins, and pair are abducted in [[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]]'s cargo bay. The Decepticons return to Guadalcanal, where Starscream celebrates triumphantly and the Combaticons squabble over who was responsible for the victory. He tells them to settle down and informs them that until they obtain five energy absorbers, no one is getting one.

At the Decepticon base, Shockwave informs Megatron that the Combaticons' personality components are missing. Assuming the Autobots are responsible, Megatron launches an attack on the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]. The Autobots, meanwhile, have learned of the attack on the memorial and the abduction of Jazz and Cliffjumper, and they have assumed Megatron is responsible. When the Decepticon forces attack, the Autobots are confused by Megatron's demand for the personality components, and Optimus Prime's demand to turn over Jazz and Cliffjumper causes Megatron to suspect Starscream. Before he can complete his thought, a hit from Optimus knocks him to the ground and, realising that he and his men are low on energy, he orders a retreat. The Autobots consult [[Teletraan I]] again for the scoop on the personality components.

Starscream and the Combaticons attack the Decepticons while they're attempting to refuel at a train station. With the refueling incomplete, Megatron and his forces are compelled to retreat, allowing Starscream to capture Dirge and Ramjet as well. The energy absorber count is now four, and Starscream and his men retire to the [[Amalgamated Water and Power Plant]] to recharge.

[[File:Starscreams brigade 7 SSrideshoulder.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|"Aren't I supposed to have an evil ''and'' a good angel?"]]
Megatron, meanwhile, rallies his troops (except the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]], who are "busy"), and moves against Starscream and his army. In the ensuing battle, Megatron pulls out his trump card: [[Devastator (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Devastator]]. Unfortunately for him, Starscream pulls out ''his'' trump card when he reveals that the Combaticons can likewise combine into a single titan: [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]]! Bruticus makes short work of Devastator, laying out the combined [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]]. The massive combiner then scoops up Megatron in one hand and forces him to acknowledge Starscream as the new Decepticon leader.

The Autobots use the battle's distraction to rescue Jazz and Cliffjumper; meanwhile, the late-arriving Stunticons look over the situation and decide that Starscream is too likely to continue his rampage. Merging into Menasor, they defeat the unsuspecting Bruticus with one massive punch.

From the resultant crater, Megatron emerges; grabbing Starscream by the throat, he decrees that Starscream and his army are banished from Earth. The usurpers are hauled away by [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] and left stranded on a distant asteroid in deep space... from which Starscream swears vengeance.
{{--}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Jazz (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Jazz]] (18)
*[[Cliffjumper (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Cliffjumper]] (19)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] (21)
*[[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] (22)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]] (23)
*[[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] (24)
*[[Gears (G1)|Gears]] (25)
*[[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] (28)
*[[Ironhide (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ironhide]] (39)
*[[Prowl (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Prowl]] (40)
*[[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]] (41)
*[[Grapple (G1)|Grapple]] (44)
*[[Ratchet (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ratchet]] (45)
|c2=
{{collist|3|
*[[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] (2)
*[[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] (3)
*[[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]] (4)
*[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] (5)
*[[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] (6)
*[[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] (7)
*[[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] (8)
*[[Laserbeak (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Laserbeak]] (9)
*[[Thundercracker (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Thundercracker]] (10)
*[[Skywarp (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Skywarp]] (11)
*[[Brawl (G1)|Brawl]] (12)
*[[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] (13)
*[[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]] (14)
*[[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]] (15)
*[[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] (16)
*[[Shockwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Shockwave]] (20)
*"[[Blast (G1)|Black Thrust]]" (26)
*[[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] (27)
*[[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (29)
*[[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]] (30)
*[[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]] (31)
*[[Hook (G1)|Hook]] (32)
*[[Mixmaster (G1)|Mixmaster]] (33)
*[[Long Haul (G1)|Long Haul]] (34)
*[[Scrapper (G1)|Scrapper]] (35)
*[[Drag Strip (G1)|Drag Strip]] (36)
*[[Breakdown (G1)|Breakdown]] (37)
*[[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]] (38)
*[[Devastator (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Devastator]] (42)
*[[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] (43)
*[[Wildrider (G1)|Wildrider]] (46)
*[[Dead End (G1)|Dead End]] (47)
*[[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] (48)
}}
|c3=
*World War II soldiers (1)
*[[Marty Minkler]] (17)
}}

==Quotes==
"NOBODY TURNS HIS BACK ON ME!"
:—'''Starscream''', as Megatron turns his back on him.

"You are a fool, Starscream, if you think that anyone would ever follow your orders." 
"Just wait, Megatron. One of these days, I will have my revenge." 
"You and what army?"
:—'''Megatron''' inadvertently giving '''Starscream''' his scheme of the week.

"Who are you? And what are we doing in these crude carcasses?" 
"Yes, I wouldn't want to be seen by anyone I know in ''this'' getup."
:—'''Onslaught''' and '''Blast Off''', fashion critics.

"Hey Swindle! Listen to this! ...My sonic blaster blows 'em away!" 
"That's hip, Brawl. But check this out! Instant air conditioning!" 
"''Really.'' My ionic blaster is more sophisticated than any of ''your'' crude weapons." 
"Hang on to your hats! It's gonna get a little windy! Heheheheh!" 
"Thanks, Vortex. I could use a little ''target practice''!"
:—the '''Combaticons''' do a little bit of [[introdump]]ing toy salesmanship.

"I see incompetence breeds even more incompetence. HAHAHAHAHAHA!"
:—'''Megatron''' to Starscream, after the latter fails in his attempt to destroy the Decepticon leader.

"Now, Megatron: who is the new Decepticon leader?" 
"Enough! Uhm...you are." 
"I can't hear you!" 
"You are!" 
"I am now the leader of all Decepticons!"
:—'''Starscream''' has '''Megatron''' in the grip of Bruticus, literally.

'''Motormaster''': Megatron's in trouble. 
'''Dead End''': Who cares? 
'''Wildrider''': It looks like Starscream's defeated him. 
'''Dead End''': So? 
'''Motormaster''': So, you think Starscream's going to stop here? 
'''Dead End''': Good point. He never knows when to quit. 
'''Motormaster''': Stunticons, unite to form Menasor!
:—The Stunticons survey Starscream's victory.

"Bruticus?" 
"No, Starscream, ''not'' Bruticus. It's Megatron—your ''leader''!" 
"Megatron, don't, please!" 
"This time, it really is 'goodbye', Starscream! Astrotrain, get him and his giant ally off this planet! They are banished from Earth...forever!" 
"You'll regret that you did not destroy me, Megatron! I shall have my revenge!"
:—'''Starscream''' and '''Megatron''' after the Decepticon leader survives Starscream's latest mutiny.

==Notes==
===Production information===
* First draft script: 16th September 1985
* Dialogue recording: 2nd October 1985

===Continuity notes===
[[File:StarscreamsBrigade Optimus Memorial.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|We shall remember you, Optimus. In case you happen to die.]]
[[File:Starscreamsbrigade megatron grabbed.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|This morning Megatron chipped a nail, causing his lieutenant Starscream to declare himself Decepticon leader.]]
*The Combaticons' creation is pretty crazy. Starscream puts the "personality components" - which actually just look like tiny energon cubes - into 5 old wrecked vehicles. The vehicles then "transform" into a state of full repair, then transform again into the Combaticons' new modern [[alternate mode]]s. And ''somehow'' through this rather organic process, Starscream manages to exclude energy absorbers in their bodies.
*Earth builds a [[Optimus Prime memorial|memorial]] to [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] before he's even dead... [[The Transformers: The Movie|Ominous]].
*Gadgets and powers:
**The Combaticons pontificate on their weapons and abilities, as quoted above.
**Jazz pulls his gun out of his aft. Seriously - he reaches behind his lower back, we hear a panel-sliding noise, and he brings his gun into view.
*Powerglide reports the location of the Decepticons' firefight as "on the north side" without mentioning any particular city. Another "appearance" of [[Central City (Earth)|Central City]]?
*As they transform into Bruticus's limbs, the Combaticons make groaning noises in Bruticus's voice, like they're having a really painful bowel movement. This was ''so amazingly cool'' that it would be [[The Route of All Evil|replicated in print form]] by Dreamwave two decades later.
*"Personality components" are shown to be small, glowing pink cubes.
*''Timelines'' would revisit the history of the Combaticons, as alluded to in this episode, in its [[Transformers: Wings Universe|''Wings'' universe]].
*'''[[Triple Takeover|< <]]''' What makes Starscream the leader? Megatron said so! Well, hard to argue with that, huh? '''[[The Revenge of Bruticus|> >]]'''

===Real-world references===
*The episode opens with a sepia-toned flashback to the battle of Guadalcanal, 1943, with a variety of vehicles shown fighting, including a battle ship, a pillbox, a gun emplacement, and several amphibious landing ships. Several are shown abandoned in the present day and become the Combaticons:
**An M4 Sherman tank, which becomes Brawl (drawn a bit generically.)
**A (yellow and purple!) Jeep which becomes Swindle
**A (purple!) B-17 Flying Fortress, the 4-engine bomber which becomes Blast Off.
**An F4U Corsair - the single-engine fighter which becomes Vortex. (The pilot who ejects when the plane is shot down has his goggles pushed up onto his helmet.)
**A half-track transport which becomes Onslaught.
*Speaking of which, this is the one and only time we get a confirmed date for the cartoon's events. Unsurprisingly enough, they are set in 1985, when this season of the show aired.
*''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]]'' sound effects:
**Clashing lightsabers as Devastator opens fire

===Animation and technical errors===
[[File:StarscreamsBrigade Soundwave eyes.JPG|right|upright=1.1|thumb|Maybe Megatron isn't the one Starscream should be worried about...]]
*The art in this episode is noticeably sub-par. Characters are more often than not poorly rendered with odd proportions and really rough or incomplete linework (oftentimes both at the same time) in addition to the typical errors.
**Additionally, Starscream's head shape often switches (as in, sometimes between ''cuts'') between the one from Season 1 with the elongated chin and rounded helmet and his updated Season 2 design with the blockier features.
*In the opening shot of the Decepticons in their base, Thrust, Dirge and Ramjet are all missing their wings. Astrotrain's head is too big, and he's missing the red bits of detailing on his chest.
*In the shot of Soundwave, Thrust and Astrotrain watching Megs and Screamer squabble, Soundwave's visor is incorrectly drawn as two separate (and rather creepy) optics, and his tape door has the wrong shape. Thrust's cockpit is drawn incorrectly and sort of bleeds into his chest, and he's drawn with a super-huge chin strap that shouldn't be there at all. And Astrotrain's still missing his red details, as well as the Decepticon insignia on his wings - which suddenly appear when he and the others react to Megatron getting shot (The other errors from the earlier shot are retained however).
*Starscream's missing one of his wing insignia as he walks over to the downed Megatron.
[[File:StarscreamsBrigade Autobot Eyes.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb]]
*Coloring errors:
**When Megatron kicks him away, Starscream's cockpit is all yellow instead of yellow with gray stripes.
**As he looms over Starscream, Megatron's abdominal section is uncolored (a few shots later, he has the red and blue buttons back).
**When Megatron jams his fusion cannon in Starscream's face, Starscream's mouth is the same medium gray as the rest of his face.
**As Starscream brushes off the tank's hatch, his red coloration bleeds into his helmet and face.
**Starscream has blue eyes as he orders Skywarp and Thundercracker to stand aside.
**While Starscream tells the Combaticons he wants them to defeat Megatron, he's got blue eyes again, his cockpit cowling is colored yellow, and his wings are missing for a moment - then they're drawn smaller than usual. They change in size and shape throughout the episode.
**As Vortex creates wind in helicopter mode, Cliffjumper is colored like Bumblebee.
**As he listens to Teletraan's report, Gears's back is colored the same light blue as his windshield.
**When Megatron says "This is your last chance, Optimus!", a black Thrust is standing to his left. (This animation error would become [[Blast (G1)|a recurring background character]] in later Japanese media.) The camera cuts to Prime and then back to Megatron, who now has a properly decoed Thrust standing to his right. In the latter shot, the barrel of Megatron's fusion cannon is too short.
**In the first shot of the Combaticons recharging, Vortex's forehead is colored red, instead of his visor.
**As Starscream says it will not be long before Megatron launches an assault, his hands and lower arms are red instead of blue.
**When Powerglide flies over the Decepticons, his plane mode is not only [[Bad Boy|white]], but a different model. It's back to normal when the scene cuts back to the Autobots.
**Bruticus' chestplate features gray wings (hooray for accidental toy accuracy?) as he charges towards Devastator.
**When the Autobots arrive at the battle and transform, Optimus' waist is uncolored for a moment.
**As Menasor flies towards him, Starscream's face is dark gray instead of light gray, and his eyes are blue - and triangular instead of rectangular.
**Blue eyes on Starscream again as Megatron throttles him.
**As he lies face-down on the asteroid, Onslaught seems to have some of Prowl's color scheme.
*As Starscream orders "his" troops to attack Megatron, Soundwave, Thrust and Astrotrain are again shown watching, in the same positions but totally re-drawn, seemingly by the A-list illustrators this time. The only thing they got wrong is Thrust's cockpit, which is way too wide.
*When Megatron shoots Starscream at the beginning of the episode, a plume of fire appears at the aft end of his cannon, a phenomena not usually seen ([[Power Play!|in the cartoon, at least.]])
*Starscream's wing stripes and insignia appear out of nothing when Laserbeak picks him up.
[[File:StarscreamsBrigade Guadalcanal.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|No wing insignia, and he's missing the red striping on his wings as well.]]
*Throughout the episode, the animators can't seem to decide which way up to have Starscream's Decepticon [[insignia]] (or that he has them at all).
*In the scene where Starscream leaves the beach to head into the forest, it's apparent the animators only drew frames for when the ocean waves are submerging Starscream's feet, as he still has blue current surrounding where both of his legs would be submerged even when the waves have retreated. By the same token, his left leg below the ankle is missing until he takes a step forward!
*As Starscream stands and marvels at the tank he just dug up, the cels of both the Seeker and the tank jitter when the camera zooms out.
*Thundercracker's cockpit lines disappear as he turns to see Starscream's arrival.
*As the Space Bridge activates, the control panel that Skywarp just used is no longer there.
[[File:Decepticon Detention Center.jpg|thumb|right| No, ''you'' run like a girl! |upright=1.1]]
*The Decepticon detention center sure looks like something you'd find on Earth, eh? The doors are labeled with Arabic numerals and personality components are kept in file cabinets!
*When he's in the Decepticon Detention Center, Starscream's audio is out of synch with the animation; he's still counting off room numbers well after he's already passed them and is standing in front of his destination.
*Starscream's vents are quite a bit higher than the door frame, but he miraculously manages to run into the room without them getting in the way.
*A couple of layering errors as Starscream inserts the personality cubes into the wrecked vehicles.
*Even disregarding the size of their original Earth vehicles and their final [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]]s, the Combaticons have a lot of scale issues throughout the episode. Generally, Onslaught should be the tallest, Swindle the shortest, with Brawl, Blast Off and Vortex somewhere in between.
*And like the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticon]]s before them, the Combaticons don't seem to have detailed transformation schemes worked out for the animators to use. The animators often show no understanding of what [[robot mode]] parts correspond to which vehicle mode parts. In his first transformation, for example, Vortex's helicopter mode morphs into an egg-shaped blob, which his robot form grows and morphs out of. And when Onslaught transforms during their first battle, the wheels on his arms disappear, and are replaced by ''other'' wheels that fold out from under him.
[[File:StarscreamsBrigade Starscream Brawl.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1]]
*Onslaught's backpack guns are missing when he and Brawl react to the energy absorber news. And hey, wasn't Brawl over by Starscream, threatening his life, just one shot ago?
*In the first shot of the covered-up "memorial", it's actually floating above the pedestal. Jazz and Cliffjumper are in the shot, but in the next shot of the memorial, they're gone.
*In the first shot of the memorial, Cliffjumper is on Jazz's right; in subsequent shots, he's on Jazz's left. Also in the second shot, Jazz has a vertical line through his face instead of a mouth.
*When Blast Off pontificates about his ionic blaster, only the center part of his faceplate moves. The whole thing should be animated.
*Jazz starts reacting to being sucked into the air before it actually happens.
*Vortex is a hundred feet or so in the air when he pulls in the two Autobots... then only a few feet off the ground in the next shot.
[[File:StarscreamsBrigade OnslaughtVortex.jpg|thumb|right|So many possible captions, so little space.|upright=1.1]]
*Onslaught has two separate eyes as he helps Vortex to his feet. During the same scene, the background music seems to be off-pitch.
*Megatron's head seems a little small when he's chatting to Shockwave over the comm. Also, he's missing his cannon.
*As he reacts to this the news, Optimus Prime's fog lights are drawn too long (they extend all the way to his back!).
*Prime's trailer has none of its detailing as he rolls out of Autobot Headquarters; it's just a plain gray box.
*In the shot after Optimus fires at Megatron, Thrust is shown at the latter's side in his full normal colour scheme. In the next shot showing him, his red is replaced with the same grey in the rest of his colour scheme. And then in the next shot featuring him after ''that'', he's shown standing at the opposite side of Megatron than in the previous shots!
*Megatron and three jets are consistently shown to be attacking Autobot HQ... but as the 'bots watch them fly off, 8 Decepticons are shown.
*As Optimus watches the Decepticons retreat, a blue blemish appears at the upper left edge of the animation cel.
*During the same shot, Optimus turns towards the camera and his chest grille is triangular instead of rectangular. Also, as he leaves the frame it suddenly loses all of its detail (the lines disappear, leaving a white blob). His arms, meanwhile, have some extra rectangles on them.
*The plot point that Megatron and company are running low on energy is pretty easy to miss. It's only alluded to by a shot that briefly shows the Decepticons standing around at a train station, with cables connecting them to the trains - but the cables are barely visible. A later line by Soundwave spells it out more clearly. (Fans have also interpreted Megatron's aborted fusion cannon blast as a symptom of low energy; see the Trivia notes below for more.)
*Gears is about as tall as Tracks when Optimus asks about the stolen personality components after the battle. The extra rectangles on Optimus's arms are also present in a shot during the scene. A few seconds later when Optimus orders the other Autobots to transform, Gears and Bumblebee now become smaller than Tracks while Powerglide grows to Tracks's height.
*When Starscream jumps over the subway car, he's missing his feet!
*Starscream's wings reach almost to his knees as he introduces Megatron to the Combaticons.
[[File:StarscreamsBrigade CombaticonsMegs.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1]]
*When Swindle says "Bye bye, Megatron!", Onslaught is shorter than him and Vortex, and his face looks rather... smooshed.
*When Starscream says, "Don't think that it hasn't been fun," when he confronts Megatron, his wings are missing.
*There is no transformation noise for Thundercracker as the Decepticons bust out of the station.
*Just before Starscream points at Dirge and Ramjet, his mouth disappears for a moment.
*Ramjet fell on his back, but is laying face-down when Starscream points to him.
[[File:Combaticons group.jpg|thumb|right|upright=2.2]]
*In the pan across the debating Combaticons, Blast Off is tallest, instead of Onslaught.
*The scene transition music warbles in the subsequent cut to Autobot Headquarters.
*When Megatron rallies the Decepticons before going after Starscream, Shockwave is consistently shown with the group, even though he's supposed to be on Cybertron. A wingless Dirge is also seen in the group, despite the fact that he's supposed to be a prisoner of the Combaticons at that point. (It could be Thrust, miscolored.) Towards the end of the scene as Megatron orders the call for the Stunticons, Soundwave jitters back to his position in the group for a couple of frames as he walks towards the computer console.
*Swindle and Starscream have little residual half-rings left on their chests when they detach the energy cables, but they're gone in the next shot.
*Thundercracker (again!) has no transformation sound effect as he lands to attack. Despite being in robot mode in the previous shot!
*Starscream doesn't get the usual Decepticon laser effect as he opens fire.
*Improbable viewpoints:
**When Powerglide reports in, Teletraan provides the Autobots with a view of him flying along. Why not show them what he's actually looking at, instead?
*Ironhide has a sudden case of [[Dull surprise]] as Optimus issues the order to "Roll out" to the power plant.
*As usual, Devastator's transformation sequence is all kinds of screwy. This time, Hook transforms not only into his own portion of Devastator, but also most of Long Haul's and much of Bonecrusher and Scavenger's as well, including their cabs. A second later, Bonecrusher and Scavenger transform into their usual Devastator components—including the parts that Hook already formed! Long Haul and Mixmaster's transformations are left out of the animation entirely.
*Devastator's voice is missing its usual reverb echo.
*When Devastator's head pops out, he has two eyes. When he starts firing, he has his more usual visor.
*In addition to their ridiculous grunting in Bruticus's voice, Blast Off and Vortex somehow ''walk'' over to Bruticus after transforming into his arms if the footstep sound effects are any indication.
*Kicking off an inconsistent trend, despite Bruticus' animation model depicting his chestplate as being formed by parts from Blast Off (more properly shown off in the next episode), it's already attached to Onslaught before the rest of Blast Off hovers into place.
*Bruticus's first line is "You make Bruticus angry!" The first two words are ''really'' easy to miss, however, what with all the other sounds effects as Blast Off as Vortex attach drowning out much of Bruticus' voice.
*Devastator goes back to two eyes when Bruticus knocks him down, and as he stands back up.
*Ironhide and Warpath were part of the team at Autobot HQ, but they're replaced by Ratchet and Grapple at the power plant.
*The Decepticon's ineffectively shooting at Bruticus (in the crotch... Ow...) draws Blast Off as if he attaches via his shuttle mode's bottom as opposed to its roof; the cockpit window is facing away from Bruticus' torso as opposed to towards it.
*As the Decepticons fight alongside the fallen Devastator, Huffer is standing and shooting with them!
*In the shot with the Decepticons looking up at Bruticus holding Megatron while the Stunticons arrive, there are two more Decepticons than have been established being led by Megatron in the battle; including what looks like Shockwave.
[[File:StarscreamsBrigade Stunticon lineup.jpg|thumb|right|upright=2.2]]
*Dead End's missing the line in the middle of his visor, and has a huge neck (to compensate for his over-long helmet.)
*Once again, just like Devastator, Menasor's transformation is rather odd - Wildrider and Breakdown are shown attaching to the outside of Motormaster's legs, but in the next shot, they ''are'' his legs as they should be.
*The shot where Starscream looks in horror as Menasor advances and defeats Bruticus in a single punch is all kinds of janky. For one thing, Menasor's fist smashes straight into Starscream's face when the latter ''not'' being in the crater Bruticus and Megatron are smashed into suggests said fist would have hit Bruticus and missed Starscream instead. After making contact, Menasor's fist is shown bouncing off and sliding downward (because physics, we guess) with the smoke from the impact not forming quickly enough to hide Starscream has the same expression and position ''even after getting his face punched by the gigantic Menasor'', and said smoke clears away slightly during the fade to the crater shot to show the same shocked Starscream frame still.


===Continuity errors===
*This episode was aired ''after'' "[[Aerial Assault]]", which also featured the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]].
*Thanks to the show's general reluctance to depict real-life firearms, the World War II soldiers are all fighting with laser guns.
*Starscream cannot seriously be so stupid as to think one shot is going to take out Megatron...[[The Ultimate Doom, Part 3|can he?]]
*How exactly did Megatron not inform either Skywarp or Thundercracker about Starscream's exile from the Decepticons? Skywarp doesn't seem to notice or care that this turn of events happened when Starscream threatens him at the space bridge.
*Relatedly, when Megatron is contacted later by Shockwave about the Combaticons' personality components being stolen; he immediately assumes the Autobots did it. Did Skywarp and Thundercracker just not inform him that Starscream went to Cybertron?
*Starscream maintains control of the Combaticons by not installing [[energy absorber]]s into them, thereby preventing them from re-energising, and a repeated point is made that they must capture five Transformers in order to take their energy absorbers for the Combaticons. Yet the Combaticons are somehow able to recharge after capturing only four Transformers.
*Teletraan One has an odd habit of not telling the Autobots stuff it knows about! This time out, it doesn't inform them about the renegade Decepticon thefts until explicitly asked, even though five new Decepticons just showed up on Earth.
*After the Autobots figure out what's happening with Starscream and Megatron, Optimus dramatically orders his troops to "Transform and [[roll out]]!" But it seems they forgot to figure out where they were going; they're never shown arriving anywhere! The next time we see the Autobots, Optimus and Powerglide are once again standing in front of [[Teletraan I]], and Optimus orders Powerglide to search for Starscream. Who says Prime doesn't learn from his mistakes?
*As Megatron leads the attack on Starscream and the Combaticons; Thundercracker is shown firing at him in robot mode with the rest of the Decepticons. However, as he then lands with Megatron and Soundwave, he is shown transforming from Vehicle Mode into Robot Mode.
*Quite a few Decepticons are missing in the final battle, including Blitzwing, the Insecticons, Skywarp, Thrust, Reflector, Ravage, Laserbeak, Buzzsaw and Frenzy.
*Considering how dangerous a battle involving a large number of Decepticons, including five new Decepticons the Autobots don't fully know the capabilities of; Prime's decision to just bring along Bumblebee, Prowl, Ratchet and Grapple out of the by now very large Autobot roster seems... odd, especially when no Autobots were shown to be damaged in the previous battle.
*So Astrotrain, in his space shuttle mode, can transport Starscream and the Combaticons to an asteroid in deep space, but Blast Off, a space shuttle himself, can't fly them back to Earth?

===Trivia===
[[File:StarscreamsBrigade Jazz Cliffjumper chained.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|right|Hey look! It's Jazz and Cliffjumper! Have we mentioned that lately?]]
*Notes from the original script [https://drive.google.com/open?id=16AFu-sJetMcZeKUIsbc_I-bacSYVC57p] :
**According to the cover, this episode was titled "30 Seconds over Megatron" before broadcast - a reference to the 1944 war movie ''{{w|30 Seconds over Tokyo}}''. The final title is a reference to the film ''{{w|The Devil's Brigade (film)|The Devil's Brigade}}.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20250303210745/https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/an-interview-with-transformers-g1-cartoon-writer-michael-charles-hill-by-todd-matthy/48522/ An Interview with Transformers G1 cartoon writer Michael Charles Hill by Todd Matthy]</ref>
**The script dictates specific, historically-accurate World War II vehicles for each one (as listed above), and then it describes them as their modern, toy-based forms, but no explanation is given for the transition. The WWII element of the Combaticons' origin is a strange choice since none of their toys are actually WWII-era vehicles. However, they can be shown going through a reconfiguration upon taking new bodies, causing the vehicles to "upgrade" into more advanced ones. Exactly how the Combaticons update their vehicular forms is not explained.
**The original script also calls for them to still be rusty and battered upon activation (hence their displeasure with their new bodies); some off-screen repairs then get them into fighting shape.
**Megatron's fusion cannon troubles are expanded upon in the original script (the reason for its original malfunction, during the attack on Autobot Headquarters, is not made clear - though the blast from Optimus that hits him might be a reasonable guess.) Later he's shown repairing it while the Decepticons re-energize in the train station, but it continues to give him trouble, giving him another reason to withdraw.
**Megatron says "Where is that fool Starscream?", as if to imply that they came to the train station to look for him. A cut script line from Soundwave makes it clear that Megatron has totally forgotten that he ousted his lieutenant and is just idly wondering where he is. It would appear Starscream's "I'm right here, Megatron" after Megatron asks the question was meant to (rather unsuccessfully) cover up this gap in the episode proper.
**The Aerialbots were slated to go scouting alongside Powerglide.
**A brief flashback, narrated by Megatron, was supposed to show the imprisoned Combaticons having their personality components removed back on Cybertron.
**Prime waits for a more opportune moment before sending his troops to rescue the prisoners.
**The script accounts for the energy absorber discrepancy, and makes it central to the outcome of the story. In the script, the Combaticons ''don't'' get to recharge since they only have four energy absorbers, with Brawl explicitly bemoaning how starved he is before the Combaticon/Decepticon battle. As a result, instead of being defeated by Menasor, Bruticus runs out of power at the end of the battle. The Stunticons are not included in the script; it seems likely they were shoehorned in at the last minute by the same sort of corporate dictate that wedged the Protectobots into the last few episodes of the season, pretty severely fouling up the story the episode was trying to tell.
*Starscream blows up the Decepticon detention center after raiding it. Did he just kill a bajillion disembodied Decepticons? ''Cold''.
*Number of times that somebody says "Jazz and Cliffjumper": 7
*In a record for the series, Megatron calls for a retreat three times... all within 8 minutes.
*Devastator got his tail kicked. Can you tell he's no longer a new toy, folks?
*The plot of this episode is reused in a simplified form in "[[The Special Teams]]".

===Foreign localization===
'''French'''
:*''Title (Canadian and European French broadcasts):'' "'''La mutinerie'''" ("The Mutiny")
:*''Title (European French DVD release):'' "'''La brigade de Starscream'''" ("Starscream's Brigade")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?
::*All the logo transitions were cut. It is unknown if it was that way for the original broadcast or if the episode was chopped for the DVD release.
::*The intro conversation is not about Shockwave in the dub. Megatron explains that to be a worthy Decepticon, one has to be respectful towards their leader. Starscream answers that the leader should then be able to defeat the Autobots in order to be respected.
::*When we see Astrotrain, Thrust and Soundwave shocked by Starscream shooting Megatron, one of the voice actors adds an over-dramatic shocked reaction, but very late (next shot actually), probably as a joke.
::*When seeing the old tank, Starscream says "It kinda reminds me of the clumsy look of the big Blitzy!". Blitzwing was called by his full name previous episode, so maybe Starscream just uses a cute nickname for him.
::*Starscream's line "I know you're in here somewhere." got its "you" translated by "tu", making it sound like he's looking for one person or one object instead of five.
::*Teletraan-1 says that Soundwave was the one that removed the personality components from the Decepticons, instead of Shockwave.
::*When looking at Dirge and Ramjet, Starscream's line "Two more transformers to add to our collection" is mistakenly translated by "Two more Autobots to add to our collection".
::*Megatron's speech to his troops is sympathetically translated by "He is not capable of defeating us. He behaves as if he was only a few hundred years old!".
::*[[Francis Lax]] makes an auto-reference by making Drag Strip say "Tell Megatron he can take his little shovel and his bucket and go play around!". Lax often used that expression in his dubbing roles, notably as Hutch in ''Starsky & Hutch'' or as Han Solo in the original ''Star Wars'' film, when the latter says to Luke "Stay calm kid, take your shovel and your bucket and go play around!" during the Millenium Falcon pursuit.
::*Motormaster tells the Stunticons to form "Megachor" for some reason.
::*Name-dodging:
:::*Difficult challenge, but they managed to not pronounce Starscream's name a single time in the episode. He is called "that moron" by Powerglide, "Megatron's second" by Optimus Prime, "the one who thinks he can take my place" by Megatron, "the insane" by Motormaster, or simply "he" several times.
:::*As usual, Soundwave never pronounces Laserbeak's name. When ejecting him, he says "To work, and quickly!".
:::*Instead of saying the names of Jazz and Cliffjumper, Marty says "You already recognized them!". Cliffjumper then says "We are here incognito!", and Marty answers "Huh... Yes, okay".
:::*Teletraan-1 says that "two Autobots" were captured. Later, Optimus Prime asks Megatron to release "the two Autobots".
:::*Powerglide does not call Optimus Prime, it's the latter who just says "Show me what's happening there".
:::*Optimus Prime's lines "Jazz and Cliffjumper appear to be safe. Grapple, Ratchet, now go get Jazz and Cliffjumper!" are replaced by "They are in good shape. Go get them, and hurry up!".
::*Missing lines:
:::*Starscream's line "This thing must be huge!" is absent.
:::*Starscream's counting "214... 215... 216..." is absent.
:::*When about to shoot Megatron, Starscream does not precise "and there is nothing you can do to stop me!", creating a strange silence.
:::*Megatron's "Noooooo!" is missing.
:::*Brawl's line is missing as Dirge and Ramjet join the battle.
:::*Soundwave's line "Re-energization of troops incomplete. Must withdraw." is absent.
:::*Drag Strip does not precise that they are having a demolition derby, despite his mouth moving on screen.

'''German'''
:*''Title (Generation 2 dub):'' "'''Starscreams großer Kampf'''" ("Starscream's Big Fight")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[September 3]], [[1994]]

'''Italian'''
:*''Title (dub 1):'' "'''I Combacticons'''" ("The Combaticons")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?
::*When he reaches room 217, Starscream's line: «Ah ah! 217!» is changed to: «It should be somewhere...», making it look line he wasn't really sure the personality components were there. And... yes... he used a singular verb...
::*Since Cliffjumper is known in Italy as "Grillo", meaning "cricket", the name "Cliffjump" is changed to "Saltapicchio", which is another (more dialectal) way of saying "cricket".
::*Teletraan I says that Starscream was the one that removed the personality components from the Decepticons, instead of Shockwave.
:*''Title (dub 2):'' "'''La brigata di Starscream'''" ("The Brigade of Starscream")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?
::*The dub adds a fandom in-joke, as Marty's misnaming of Cliffjumper is changed to "[[Bumper (G1)|Bumper]]".

'''Japanese'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Starscream Gundan'''" (スタースクリーム軍団, "Starscream's Brigade")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[July 18]], [[1986]]

'''Mandarin'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Hóngzhīzhū de Pànbiàn '''" (红蜘蛛的叛变, "Starscream's Mutiny")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

'''Brazilian Portuguese'''
:*''Title:'' "'''O Motim do Starscream'''" ("Starscream's Mutiny")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

'''Russian'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Otryad Skandalista'''" (Отряд Скандалиста, "Starscream's Brigade")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;VHS
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] [[1988]] — The Action Adventure Collection ([[Tempo Video]]) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] [[1989]] — ''Transformers'' — Starscream's Brigade (Tempo Video) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] [[1993]] — The Biggest Ever Saturday Morning Heroes (Tempo Video) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] [[1999]] — ''The Original Transformers'' — Volume 3: Programmed for Evil ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]])
;{{w|LaserDisc}}
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] [[1995]] — ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' — Megatron Set ([[TakaraTomy|Takara]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1999 — ''The Transformers'' — Decepticon Edition ([[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer LDC]]) — Japanese audio only.
;DVD
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] [[2001]] — ''The Transformers'' — DVD Box 2 (Pioneer LDC) — Japanese audio only. 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] [[2003]] — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2 ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2003 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2: Vol. 8 (Rhino Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] [[2004]] — ''Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2 ([[Metrodome]]) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Collection 3: Series 2.2 ([[Madman Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of France.png|20px|France]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Volume 14 ([[Déclic Images]]) — European French audio only. 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] [[2006]] — ''Transformers'' — The Complete Generation One Collection (Metrodome) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2006 — The Best of ''The Transformers'' (Madman Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] [[2007]] — ''Transformers'' — The Classic Episodes (Metrodome) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2007 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection (Madman Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of Italy.png|20px|Italy]] [[2009]] — ''Transformers'' — Volume 06: Stagione Due Parte Quarta ([[Medianetwork Communication]]) — English and Italian audio. 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2009 — ''Transformers'' — Season Two: Part Two (Metrodome) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection: Decepticon Edition (Madman Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Series: 25th Anniversary "Matrix of Leadership" Collection ([[Shout! Factory]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Season Two, Volume Two: 25th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] [[2011]] — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Original Series (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] [[2014]] — ''The Transformers'' — Season Two, Volume Two: 30th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2014 — ''Transformers'' — The Classic Animated Series (Metrodome)

==External links==
*[https://drive.google.com/open?id=16AFu-sJetMcZeKUIsbc_I-bacSYVC57p First draft script, submitted on 16th September 1985]
*[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lunHa9XGhEPOezyCzCn1oXbg4YlHVJeh/view?usp=drive_link Episode model sheets]

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:The Transformers episodes]]
[[Category:Generation 2 episodes]]

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==Stop==

We include the foreign titles so as to make the foreign spellings available. We strive to be as informative as possible and whether the foriegn words translate the same as the English titles is immaterial. We want that info present. So please stop removing information from the pages. If it upsets you that much, then let a discussion actually progress in the talk pages first, before going on a massive info-deleting spree. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 01:28, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

: I thought I was following the example set on the Revenge of the Fallen talk page. There, Walky had stated that foreign titles shouldn't be listed if they were simply a direct translation. I thought that was the consensus and was simply trying to catch examples that had fallen through the cracks. Apparently I was wrong, and I apologize for acting prematurely. Perhaps it is time to examine this policy. I will, of course, follow any decision made. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:28, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

==Primes==
Dear Khajidha,
I believe you have made an error in your statement "(→Notes: Nexus prime is one of the 13, not the lineage of primes (matrix bearers))". Right here on tfwiki.net you will find the following statements:
"They were the first Transformers, and all Primes..... In an answer in October 2009's Q&A Hasbro indicated that only seven of the 13 were Primes."
This clearly suggests that since Forest Lee had claimed Nexus to be a Prime and that there exists exactly seven "spirit guides" and that these must therefore be the seven aforesaid Primes, THEN Nexus Prime must be one of these seven "spirit guide" Primes. Can you disprove this by logic?
Sincerely, P.C. -{{unsigned|Deszarasu}} 00:31, 2 August 2010 (EDT)
:The spirit guides from Five Faces of Darkness are seven holders of the Matrix of Leadership before Rodimus Prime. The fact that there are seven of them is a simple coincidence with the "seven of the [original] 13" were Primes. Of the original 13 we have Primon/Alpha Prime, Megatronus Prime/The Fallen, Vector Prime, and Nexus Prime. Only Primon is also one of the Spirit Guides, as he was also the first Matrix bearer. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:58, 2 August 2010 (EDT)

== Thanks ==

Merci on the spelling fix in my sandbox. [[User:JW|JW]] 12:02, 5 August 2010 (EDT)

== Megatron (Myth) ==

I am sorry, but I would like to post the fact the G1 Megatron would have named himself after the Preacon who named himself after the G1 Megatron. Is their a neater way you would prefer me to write it as, you said it was poorly written. [[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 10:47, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

== Transformers 3 ==

I did have a source for that, I just forgot where it was. It was revealed on TFW2005.com that on set, a pole with Megatron's head and a pole with Soundwave's head was found on set. Also, on the same website, Starscream's fate was revealed, so he must be in the movie. (I shall not reveal the fate unless asked.)[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 19:54, 5 September 2010 (EDT)
:Set leaks from TFW2005 do not count as official information. Neither does some website about caps talking about what they heard happens. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:45, 5 September 2010 (EDT)
:You know, the film crew just confirmed he will be in it and what he turns into. Just saying. Please don't try to kill me Detour. I know you a reading this.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 17:36, 28 October 2010 (EDT)

== Answer ==
Agreed. --[[User:He-l-en1959|Waz-z-z-zpinator59]] 08:48, 12 September 2010 (EDT)

== Megatron comment ==

You know, I kinda thought that Kibble comment that person wrote on 2007 Megatron's leader class toy caption was kinda funny. It is true, he does have a lot of kibble. Why did you delete that? Was it because of the grammer?[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 17:41, 28 October 2010 (EDT)
:The anonymous editor has not built a record of useful edits, policy is to revert. Also wasn't funny. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:41, 28 October 2010 (EDT)
::Whatever. I liked it, you didn't. Lets just leave it the way it is without a caption comment.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:39, 29 October 2010 (EDT)

== Scoop Bastard ==

Why can't I remove just that one tag? I said one thing that Megatron, Starscream and Soundwave are going to be in transformers 3 and I am automatically a scoop bastard because of one thing? So what their heads were seen on set! Who cares. Not to mention the fact that the actual wikipedia says they are in DOTM, so are you going to call them scoop bastards too? I have never done anything else and because of one thing one user doesn't like I am now a scoop bastard? What kind of crap is this? I am not removing the sign your posts thing or the spelling thing, just the thing that says I "stole" information.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 14:23, 31 October 2010 (EDT)
:You posted unverified information, that means you earned the scoop tag. The term "scoopbastard" may be unfortunate, but that is the name of the tag. What Wikipedia says is irrelevant. No official notice of them being in the movie had been released as of the time you added the information and the tag was added to your page. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:29, 31 October 2010 (EDT)
::So, I will just have to deal with it. Ok. Look, I can tell i have been getting on your nerves recently. I would just want to apologize for that. It's been a stressful week.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:40, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:::Just make sure to keep the advice in mind in the future. After a long while (say, this time next year) you can move all of this old stuff to an archive page linked to your talk page. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:32, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::OK, Thanks for the help. Sorry for the trouble.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:31, 3 November 2010 (EDT)

== BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Editor_XXV/Archive#20_January_2011 Enjoy]. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 06:12, 23 January 2011 (EST)
:At least they came to the correct conclusion. People CAN agree without being the same person, even if others don't like what they agree on. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:51, 23 January 2011 (EST)

== Good ==

now i'm A-1, thanks

--[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 16:58, 2 April 2011 (EDT)

==Still pretty confused==
I read the disambig but am kind of in the dark. How many pages should be in a category before it is needed? I thought 2 was minimum, I get if it's a higher number but I'm wondering if the guideline's written somewhere so I can be consistant and know what to look for prior to creating anymore.

I'm also not sure why Sumdac should redirect to Isaac Sumdac rather than Sari or being a disambig for the two. Couldn't either of them be referred to like this? Plus "Sari" redirects to Sari Sumdac yet the redirect from Isaac to Isaac Sumdac isn't allowed? I guess I'm not sure, it's like the dad's never called by his given name nor Sari by her surname, very confusing. [[User:Tyciol|Ty]] 01:17, 31 May 2011 (EDT)
:Categories generally require at least 7 members. Disambiguation pages are only created when there are at least 3 items with the same name. When there are just two, the unmodified name should redirect to one of them. Since "Sumdac" is used for Isaac most often, it redirects to him. Since there are no other "Isaac's", typing Isaac into the search box will automatically bring him up in the list. The "Sari Sumdac" page was created as "Sari" and later moved, leaving a redirect behind. It probably could be deleted, I'll make the recommendation.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 06:04, 31 May 2011 (EDT)

== Re: HOF ==

I based the inclusion on the toys shown at the Hall of Fame. Check them out [http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.228373357188447.77714.166004856758631 here]. I'm still waiting on the tribute videos to go online to see if Hasbro counts ''Cybertron'' Soundwave. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 12:37, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:I think you're putting a little too much emphasis on which toys were used for these rather random displays. For example, no RID Prime or Megatron is present in the displays but Hasbro said that no version of OP or Megs was eligible for the fan votes as they were automatically inducted as part of the first class. Similar language was used to exclude any version of Ironhide etc in this year's voting. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:47, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
::I doubt they were that random. I don't think Hasbro considers ''Energon'' Ironhide the same character because he's a kid-appeal character as opposed to Optimus's gruff right-hand bot. That's why I'm waiting on the videos for a final check: we used the videos to determine which pages went into the category last year and mentioned the odd exception (the RID versions in their notes). [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 13:12, 6 June 2011 (EDT)

== Username Origin ==

(Original section title: Uh...) Where'd you get your name from? --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:44, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:It was the magic word used by the Silver Age Blue Beetle. I think I may have misspelled it, though. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 06:40, 7 June 2011 (EDT)
::I think you've got it right— that's how they spell it in the Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes) comics (which are excellent), although I believe they put a space or a hyphen or somesuch in the middle. Nice username, strong approval, etc. --[[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 23:13, 10 July 2011 (EDT)
::Just to be a completist (I'm in the right place for that, yes?) I looked it up, and officially nowadays there's no second H ("da" instead of "dha"). Close enough for government work, though. --[[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 23:17, 10 July 2011 (EDT)
:::Yeah, I think it's varied all over the place over the years. I've seen "kaji dha", "khaji da" and "khaji dha". I just kind of went with what looked coolest to me. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 00:48, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

== Gaea ==

Sorry about that. I didn't see that the note was a recent addition, and thought it was meant to be there.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.165|192.249.47.165]] 18:04, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

== Brawl ==

While I agree that the entire script should not appear in the quotes section, what is there is far from approaching that.

Furthermore, I feel that the quotes I added are significant & add to the section since:
1) One shows a recurring theme of Spike's romantic interests and
2) The other is an rather adult quote for a kids show, much more deserving of the higher PG rating than the "bloody" comment. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that was part of the reason it got that rating.

I didn't randomly pick these, and put some thought into it. I would argue that there are other quotes that add less to the section, but more importantly, the section is not so big that it would constitute the "entire script". Other episodes have larger quote sections with many more superficial quotes.
:1)The recurring theme of Spike's romances is better handled as a note than a quote. 2)I think you are rather reaching for your adult interpretation. 3)We have been [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#Hey.2C_I.27ve_got_a_new_user_talk_page_template_request...|having discussions]] here about reducing quote sections. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 06:53, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
::About the quote, Wise has said in an interview (I think the same one that said that Dion died) the visual with the screw was intentional, so I wouldn't be surprised about the quote. But that too would be better for a note than quote. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 07:24, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
:::Interesting, Geewunling. I meant to mention earlier that part of why I had said what I said about the "entire script" was that (at least) one of the quotes that Brawl added was a continuation of a quote that was already there. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:30, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

== Comprised ==

God bless you for correcting people's use of "comprised". Srsly. [[User:JW|JW]] 12:48, 12 July 2011 (EDT)
:My personal little grammatical bugbear. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:22, 12 July 2011 (EDT)

== Midnight Express ==

Revision history of "Midnight Express (RID)"
* (cur) (last) 20:05, 8 October 2011 Khajidha (Talk | contribs) (11,588 bytes) (all English variants are valid)

Fair enough, but why remove the Brave homage that I thought should be pointed out? <=I
:Mainly because I didn't notice that you had added something, I just took the page back to how it had been before you changed English variants. Looking back at it, I don't mind if that is re-added. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:15, 21 October 2011 (EDT)

Alrighty then, I'll be adding it back. --[[User:Cannonfodder4000|Cannonfodder4000]] 11:09, 26 October 2011 (EDT)

== Karussell ==

I brought some sense into it: [[Karussell]]--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 06:44, 31 October 2011 (EDT)
:Thanks, this is such a neglected corner of the history of the brand that any information is greatly appreciated. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:08, 31 October 2011 (EDT)

== Laserbeak (Prime) ==

I was reverting the 208 IP's caption-bastardry, which he had already gotten a warning for on his talk page. Am I not supposed to touch captions at all as an anon, even to revert bastardry?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 15:24, 4 November 2011 (EDT)
:Sorry, I missed the fact that you were reverting. Go right ahead with that. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:51, 4 November 2011 (EDT)
::Oh! Well, thanks then, I'll get that done in a jiff.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 16:38, 4 November 2011 (EDT)

==Voting==
You can't vote for Grimlock or Shockwave. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:37, 23 February 2012 (EST)
:Sorry, I missed the listings for this year's automatic inductees. I've fixed that. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:44, 23 February 2012 (EST)

==IMAGE==
excuse me can you say me where i can find some movie page without image?
[[user:Shockwave1704]]

ops sorry but sometimes i don't know how to entitle my image
[[user:Shockwave1704]]

==Frank Welker==

ah it's for this reason that soundwave spoke an american accent in roft[[user:Shockwave1704]]

==G. I. Joe==

Which articles are you talking about?

The bit about the first Joe / TF crossover came from digging out my copy of issue #2 and updating Hawk's profile.

For the individual Joes, every time I touch the flavor text on an article it either comes straight from the file cards (what we TF fans know as tech specs) or from an official source such as the Order of Battle series. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] 17:26, 2 April 2012 (EDT)
:I was asking about the individual characters. GI Joe file cards and the Order of Battle series are valid sources for a GI Joe wiki, but not for a Transformers one as they are not TF fiction. GI Joe-only fiction cannot be used as a source here. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:41, 2 April 2012 (EDT)
::I've been '''creating''' Joe articles for a year now (give or take), in each case using the material to help do the flavor text, and with one or two exceptions no one's said anything before now. In fact, I'm the guy who created the articles on Joes like Wild Bill, Mutt, and Dial-Tone. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] 08:49, 5 April 2012 (EDT)

== Darkwing ==

Uh, the reason I did that was because the note was stretching out and covering part of the pic. (At least that's what happens on my screen.....) --[[Special:Contributions/81.164.215.61|81.164.215.61]] 12:00, 11 April 2012 (EDT)
:On my screen, your version left great heaping gobs of white space while the previous version had a broken note template. Perhaps we should let someone else weigh in on this. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:08, 11 April 2012 (EDT)

== Fish/Pelycosaur ==

First off, please don't interpret this as an argument, 'cause I know I'm not as familiar with pelycosaurs as I'd like to be, and I'm just curious here.

Regarding your edit to Dinosaur (dinosaur), you basically said that pelycosaur is to dinosaur as fish is to human, rather than dolphin is to human. I'm kind of confused about that, since aren't pelycosaurs and dinosaurs at least part of the same class Reptilia, while fish would be a totally different class? Or is this a timescale thing?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 18:02, 3 May 2012 (EDT)
:Pelycosaurs are not part of Reptilia as currently defined. Pelycosaurs and mammals are both part of Synapsida. It was not meant as a straightforward comparison, but rather a rough indication of the genetic distance between the two groups. Saying that a human is a fish is actually a more valid comparison, as mammals derive from groups commonly considered "fish" while neither dinosaurs nor pelycosaurs derived from the other. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:28, 3 May 2012 (EDT)

== Shattered Glass Wreck-Gar ==
"Do some actual work"? This isn't a bloody office job, you know. We're doing this in our spare time, and this site isn't supposed to be taken all that seriously, in case you hadn't noticed. I don't see what the problem is. You've said "policy is to revert" if the user hasn't done much else, but I had a look at the policies and I didn't see that. Besides, isn't inserting a vaguely relevant movie quote appropriate for a page about a character who speaks entirely in quotes? There was even a setup line there that I only had to tweak a little bit. How is that hurting the article? --[[User:Magnus Prime|Magnus Prime]], 17 May 2012
:Yes, we are doing it in our spare time. BUT, there is a point to this website: it is a source of information about the Transformers brand and all of its components. If you are here to add to that, do so. If you are here just to show that you are funny, we're not interested. While the page is called [[Transformers Wiki:Caption]], it has always been interpreted as applying to ALL humor here. Also, you may notice that someone else had reverted your changes the first time you made them. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 07:18, 17 May 2012 (EDT)
::Alright, you win. --[[User:Magnus Prime|Magnus Prime]], 17 May 2012

== Not a Lame excuse ==
that "error" about Mikaela wasnt a lame excuse to look at Megan, i am not fully into girls yet, i just thought it was a mistake and i posted it

== Sentient ==

According to the American Heritage Dictionary, the only correct pronunciation of "sentient" is so that it rhymes with "patient". What source are you using that approves of "sen-tee-ent"? [[User:JW|JW]] 22:09, 20 July 2012 (EDT)
:Both are given at [http://www.macmillandictionary.com/pronunciation/american/sentient Macmillan Dictionary], [http://oald8.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/dictionary/sentient Oxford Learners Dictionary] and [http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/sentient Merriam-Webster]. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 22:42, 20 July 2012 (EDT)
:: Hurm. Wisdom received. [[User:JW|JW]] 21:55, 21 July 2012 (EDT)

== About Kup ==

My joke was a lot better than "I don't even like ice cream!" What does that joke have to do with Kup? Nothing.
:"________ callrd, he wants his ________ back" is not a good joke. Neither is "Not _______". Or any of the other things you tried. That's why you were reverted by several other people as well. The main point though, is that adding captions is a privilege that must be earned by making actual edits that add to the information available from this wiki. We don't exist just to make jokes, you know. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:30, 3 October 2012 (EDT)

==Re: Springer Edits==

I wasn't being sexist about Arcee. I was suggesting that Rodimus (or the show) was being sexist about Arcee. But be honest; between G1 Arcee, Grimlock (ANY continuity) and G1 Springer, who would ''you'' choose? But while Springer certainly didn't want Roddy to die, his attitude towards getting the Matrix seemed to be a combination of "I don't want to be leader" and "Rodimus must be delirious to pick me". [[User:Harley Quinn hyenaholic|Harley Quinn hyenaholic]] 10:23, 9 November 2012 (EST)

== KB Toys ==

Are you sure the clear Spychangers KB Toys exclusive in ''Car Robots''? KB Toys is an American company, after all. --[[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 16:44, 6 February 2013 (EST)
:I was going off the individual pages, if that is wrong go ahead and change them. All the RID Spychangers need to be gone back over again. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:12, 7 February 2013 (EST)
::You're talking about the Hasbro versions. The part you edited was about the Takara versions, and the character pages say the clear Takara versions are variants, not exclusives. --[[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 10:43, 7 February 2013 (EST)
:::Oh. I must have gotten confused. I'll fix it, if you haven't already. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:58, 7 February 2013 (EST)
::::I have, but thanks! --[[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 11:03, 7 February 2013 (EST)

== Template:Comicstory/doc ==

You do realise editing the documentation page doesn't actually do anything, yes? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 16:26, 1 May 2013 (EDT)
:No, I didn't. How do you change things, then? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 21:59, 1 May 2013 (EDT)
::In [[Template:Comicstory]], add this to a likely spot (obviously replacing <nowiki>{{{variable x|}}}/'''Variable X'''</nowiki> with the relevant variable.
<pre><nowiki>|-
{{#if: {{{variable x|}}} |
{{!}}'''Variable X''' {{!}}{{!}} {{{variable x|}}}}}
|-</nowiki></pre>
::- [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:47, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
:::Thanks. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 21:56, 2 May 2013 (EDT)

== Your Revenge of Bruticus edit ==

I'm confused as to the intent of [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=The_Revenge_of_Bruticus&curid=14359&diff=821316&oldid=821077 this edit]. Your edit reason is about something being too much speculation, and about confusing "implicit" with "explicit", but all the actual edit did was just restore a note I removed. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 15:00, 14 August 2013 (EDT)
:Sorry, meant to go back one more revision. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:35, 14 August 2013 (EDT)
::Hello. So, could the note on the fake Bruticus be reverted without the explanation given? It still seems a significant plot hole to me. Thanks for your help. --[[User:Skywarp|Skywarp]] [[User talk:Skywarp|Skywarp]] 22:40, 14 August 2013 (EDT)

== nbsp ==

It keeps the names from being split across two lines at smaller browser window sizes. Can it be readded?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 10:07, 19 February 2014 (EST)
:Sure, I just did it. I had removed them as Mimi had readded them without a reason after Primeformer had asked for one. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:19, 19 February 2014 (EST)

== "Boy racer" ==

Slang in UK for a new driver - usually young and male, hence the name - who speeds, etc. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 12:43, 20 February 2015 (EST)
:Huh. I still fail to see how he could have a "boy racer" as an altmode, then. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:57, 20 February 2015 (EST)
::Same way you can have a rapper car, or a footballer car. It's a car associated with the stereotype.
::(You will, of course, notice I didn't revert your revert. This is purely for reference!). - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 13:57, 20 February 2015 (EST)

== Cerebros disambiguation ==

Sorry about that. I meant to link to the Wikipedia article for the X-Men computer Cerebro. Which I wanted to get another opinion on, do you suppose it would be useful for this wiki? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 18:07, 21 July 2015 (EDT)
:Probably not directly helpful. The cerebrum one can probably stay, as it is the source of the name and is somewhat funny, but an X-Men reference is probably a little too much. You might could add a joke of some sort based on it to one of the character pages, but I am not in a position to give you permission to do so. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 18:10, 21 July 2015 (EDT)
::Gotcha, thanks. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 18:15, 21 July 2015 (EDT)

==More GoBots==
On community portal. Check it out. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 21:30, 6 January 2016 (EST)

== Question ==

Hi, um. Bit of an awkward question, but are you trans? And if so, which pronouns do you prefer? Sorry if I'm bothering you. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:59, 19 June 2016 (EDT)
:Not a bother at all. I am a dual-role transvestite. I have both a male and a female identity. I do not wish to transition, but am uncomfortable if I am not able to be my femme-self for long periods of time. I prefer that people use the pronouns that match my presentation at the time. On here you can use whichever you wish. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 04:51, 20 June 2016 (EDT)

==Hi Guy/Gal==

Hi, i'm Norev Durok.

I see you're not too happy about the "Seeker Scout" page that I've created.
--[[User:Norev Durok|Norev Durok]]
:Hi, Norev. I'm actually happy someone is trying to write up the Seeker Scouts (it's been a red link for a while), but there are some problems with the page. The paragraph under "Decepticon campaign" should start with a capital letter and should be written "in universe". Talking about "intro sequences" and "Autobot and Decepticon Campaigns" is "out of universe". Remember to write about the events as if they actually happened, not as part of a game. I'm also not clear about what the caption is trying to say. Do not take any of this as an attack on you, I just want you to become the best editor you can be.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 21:24, 21 August 2016 (EDT)

Hi, Khajidha. Ok then, i'll see if I can give it a few more edits, i'm glad that you're happy about completing this pages. Trust me when I say that the Seeker Scouts won't be the only page that it's going from "Red link to Blue link".

Also, what happened to:

"Omnibot Scout 1",
"Omnibot Scout 2",
"Omnibot Warrior",
"Aerialbot Warrior",
and
"Seeker Warrior"?

Because before I've even started to complete this pages, some of them indicate that the pages did actually had some info, but were deleted.--[[User:Norev Durok|Norev Durok]] ([[User talk:Norev Durok|talk]]).
:I think that most of those pages had been made before, but they were nowhere near complete and did not follow our layout or writing styles. Rather than have poorly constructed pages, it was decided to delete them until someone came along with the knowledge and will to complete them properly.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 14:36, 22 August 2016 (EDT)

::Ok then, but i'll need help if i'm gonna complete those page, voice actors for example, let's say that "I don't have a good ear for voice acting"..--[[User:Norev Durok|Norev Durok]] ([[User talk:Norev Durok|talk]]).
:::That's fine. You don't have to do everything, but some of the previous attempts were thoroughly lacking. You are already well ahead of them. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:08, 22 August 2016 (EDT)
Ok then, i'll fill them with a few more info.--[[User:Norev Durok|Norev Durok]] ([[User talk:Norev Durok|talk]]).

==Unused Content?==

Hi, it's Norev Durok again.

Question: should any unused content be posted here?

I know It may be "out of universe", but I know that there's so much unused content in "Transformers: The Game", that if it have been used, it would have explained so much things about the game.

examples:

Autobot Campaign: it would explain why Bonecrusher is nowhere to be found.

Decepticon Campaign: it would explain why Bumblebee is nowhere to be found after "Level 2", when "level 3"'s ending states that Bumblebee survived and has got the Allspark, but in "level 4" it is Jazz who has the Allspark. *1.

*1: I say "Level X" because I don't remember those levels names.--[[User:Norev Durok|Norev Durok]] ([[User talk:Norev Durok|talk]]).

== Yooo ==

Your userpic and caption is friggin amazing [[User:Avalanche|Avalanche]] ([[User talk:Avalanche|talk]]) 02:21, 29 January 2017 (EST)

== Script readings and other stuff ==

Dunno if you noticed, but there's been some stuff digged up recently that was missing/unavailable to the public for the time being. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B7b1Q4_nEXnZWlpCUHRnZ2ozdTA
https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/129168-searching-for-old-club-content/

Hope you enjoy. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 14:04, 31 January 2017 (EST)
:Nifty!--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 14:42, 31 January 2017 (EST)

== edit I made to Kremzeek ==

How do you mean where you say 'that's not a triumph, that's a joke'? The Decepticons '''do''' triumph over the Autobots, in this episode (since, like I said, which is even my '''source''' for my edit, I've '''seen''' the episode, and the Autobots '''still''' aren't rid of Kremzeek at the '''end''' of the episode). [[User:Chris rabbit|Chris rabbit]] ([[User talk:Chris rabbit|talk]]) 10:59, 4 April 2017 (EDT)Chris rabbit

Kremzeek!

2017-03-18T01:32:00Z

Chris rabbit: /* Trivia */ I've seen the episode, and the Autobots *still* aren't rid of Kremzeek by the ending.

{{disambig2|the Generation 1 cartoon episode|the electrical life form that first appears therein|Kremzeek}}
{{episode
|image=Kremzeek.jpg
|caption="Well he don't know talkin' good like me and you, so his vocabulistics is limited to "Krem" and "zeek," exclusively in that order." "Well I tell you what, that's gonna wear real thin, real fast, bud."
|series=G1toon
|ep=48
|series2=SRLFtoon
|ep2=38
|prev2=The Girl Who Loved Powerglide
|next2=Triple Takeover
|series3=''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (cartoon)|Transformers: Generation 2]]''
|ep3=17
|prev3=Auto Berserk
|next3=Triple Takeover
|title="Kremzeek!"
|written by=[[David Wise]]
|production code=700-47
|airdate=[[December 27]], 1985
|production company=[[Sunbow Productions]]
|animation studio=[[Unknown Generation 1 animation studio|Unknown]]
|continuity=[[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]
}}

'''An electric pest annoys everyone. Including the viewers.'''

==Synopsis==
[[File:Kremzeek Decepticons react to kremzeek.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|"To the window, to the wall...Kremzeek -zeek motherf*#$^%!"]]
At [[Decepticon Headquarters (G1 Earth)|Decepticon Headquarters]], [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] is working on some electrodes for the [[Decepticon]]s' new [[energy magnet]]. When [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] comes to complain that it's taking too long, an energy-based lifeform which calls itself [[Kremzeek]] jumps from Megatron's experiments and begins wrecking all their gear. Megatron is impressed, thinking that Kremzeek will make an effective weapon against the [[Autobot]]s. Temporarily containing it in a circuit trap, Megatron has [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] take them to the [[Ark (G1)|Autobot base]], where they deposit Kremzeek.

[[File:Kremzeek in Tv.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Give me 700 billion dollars or your city is trashed.]]

[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] is bewildered to see the sparking box on the security monitor. The box soon breaks open, releasing Kremzeek, who goes on a rampage, shorting out [[Jazz (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Jazz]] and [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]]. [[Sparkplug Witwicky|Sparkplug]] tries unsuccessfully to catch the critter in his hands, only to get zapped. While Kremzeek continues to wreak havoc, Sparkplug fetches an insulating compound and coats Optimus with it. The compound proves to make the Autobot immune to Kremzeek's attacks, and they quickly coat [[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blaster]], [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]], and [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]] as well. Unfortunately they realize too late that [[Teletraan I]] is still vulnerable, and watch as Kremzeek enters the computer, causing it to broadcast strange warnings to the rest of the world. Finally Teletraan I shorts out, and Kremzeek rides [[Sky Spy]]'s transmissions to another location... [[Japan]].

Meanwhile, the Decepticons have detected the success of their plan, and Megatron decides it's time to deploy the energy magnet.

The remaining active Autobots take [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] to Japan, but the massive mechanoid is shorted out on arrival by Kremzeek, crashing on the beach. Kremzeek then jumps onto a train, which Optimus chases along the tracks in his truck mode. Eventually the train reaches the city, [[Tokyo]], and stops, unleashing Kremzeek on an unsuspecting population. He wreaks havoc in an arcade, then enters [[Shibuya Manufacturing Corporation]]. Within the company's factory area, the Autobots meet Dr. [[Sōji Yoshikawa]], who theorizes that radio waves might affect the creature. Blaster works his magic, but Kremzeek marches straight through the radio waves and enters the Autobot. Blaster tries to fry Kremzeek with his own energy supply, but Yoshikawa's warning that this isn't a good idea comes too late, and a veritable plethora of Kremzeeks begin shooting out of Blaster's chest.

[[File:Kremzeek Autobots create giant Kremzeek.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|''KremzeeK''ong is alive!]]
As they rampage around Tokyo, the Autobot leader theorizes that a large energy source could draw the Kremzeeks together and reunite them. At the Decepticon base, the energy magnet is ready, and the Decepticons first target a passing warship. Back in Japan, the Autobots have finished preparing a tower to absorb the Kremzeeks, but one manages to slip inside Blaster. When the remaining Kremzeeks are reunited, they merge in a massive form and begin a new rampage through the city. Inferno unsuccessfully tries his [[fire-retardant foam]] on the beast, which simply flings it back at the Autobots.

[[File:Kremzeek dispersed.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|"To the sweat drop down my"...oh nevermind.]]
Megatron activates the energy magnet, drawing the world's energy sources to the Decepticon base. As the Autobots begin to feel the effects of the loss of energy, Prime realizes that this whole thing has been a distraction by Megatron. That leads Blaster to think of a plan: Why not let the Decepticons deal with Kremzeek? They lure Kremzeek, who is getting sleepy from the energy drain, to a [[Tokyo Tower|radio tower]], causing him to be beamed to the energy magnet, destroying it as the Decepticons flee. Its destruction ceases the energy drain and the city has power again.

The Autobots take a boat out to the energy magnet, where Yoshikawa theorizes that they could disperse Kremzeek's energy, which would kill him. Despite Bumblebee's objections that killing him is wrong, Prime causes Kremzeek to disperse. Returning to the mainland, Blaster admits that he sort of misses Kremzeek... at which point the solitary Kremzeek that jumped into him earlier jumps out, and the pursuit begins again. Sadly (or thankfully), there's no time to see what happens next.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] (6)
*[[Jazz (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Jazz]] (7)
*[[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] (8)
*[[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]] (9)
*[[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (10)
*[[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] (11)
*[[Beachcomber (G1)|Beachcomber]] (12)
*[[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] (13)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]] (14)
*[[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blaster]] (15)
*[[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] (16)
*[[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] (18)

|c2=
*[[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] (1)
*[[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] (2)
*[[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]] (4)
*[[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] (5)

|c3=
*[[Sparkplug Witwicky]] (10)
*Military personnel (17)
*[[Sōji Yoshikawa]] (19)

|c4=
*[[Kremzeek]] (3)
}}

==Quotes==
[[File:Megatron and kremzeek.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|"Aw...who's a cute widdle destwuctive ball of energy?"]]
"Yes, Kremzeek! You will be my ultimate weapon against the Autobots."
:—'''Megatron''' displaying how desperate he was getting by that point.

"This isn't the time for jokes, Sparkplug!" 
"What joke? I'm savin' ya!"
:—'''Optimus Prime''' and '''Sparkplug Witwicky'''

[[File:Kremzeek and teletraan.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|''"Chomp and munch! 
Chew and crunch! 
There's a lot here to destroy! 
Inch by inch, 
It's a cinch 
Bringing down this big old boy!"'']]
""Choco rations down 2 grams! Doubleplusungood! — Alert! Alert! Evil Martian flangoes have invaded supermarkets across the planet. They have come to steal Earth's ammonia."
:—'''Teletraan I'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s funniest line in the series.

"Oh! The Autobots! Verrrry honored. ...YOU DID THIS?!" 
"No! Er, no, Doctor. There's a creature made of pure energy... in there." 
"You... crazy?!"
:—'''Dr. Sōji Yoshikawa''' and '''Optimus Prime''', the former of whom is as dubious of the episode's plot as the target audience.

"Yo, Prime! What do we do when we catch that weirdo?" 
"We'll worry about that ''when'' we catch him!" 
"You mean you don't have a plan?" 
"Who's had time to think of a plan? Hang on!"
:—'''Blaster''' and '''Optimus Prime'''

"Oh, here comes that sinking feeling..."
:—'''Optimus Prime''' on seeing a multitude of Kremzeeks

"Blaster... you finally came up with a plan."
:—'''Optimus Prime''' has no pride whatsoever.

==Notes==
===Animation or technical glitches===
[[File:Kremzeek! Ratchet with Kremzeek.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]
[[File:KremzeekBadSpelling01.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|They can get the arm-wrestling sumo game right, but they can't write up the katakana properly??]]
[[File:Korean Sign.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Now it's in Korean??]]
Generally speaking, this is one of the worst-animated episodes from the first two seasons. The frame rate is choppy, the coloring is bland, and often the characters' heads are drawn larger than they should be. Most of the time, the characters' mouth movements don't match what they're saying, assuming they move at all (none of the three Navy crewmen on the power-drained ships move their mouths, for example.) On the audio side, Megatron's voice is missing the metallic modulation in nearly every scene (the line "We will drain this planet dry!" is a good example), and Blaster's is ''over''-modulated to the point where it's sometimes hard to understand what he's saying. The title character, meanwhile, uses all sorts of animation cheats to move about the screen, sometimes just gliding statically along or disappearing into things without actually being near them.
*Megatron's finger moves twice while Kremzeek is resting on it, but he doesn't move along with it.
*Coloring errors:
**Thrust's cockpit is colored the same maroon-red as his body in the first shot of him flying.
**The inside of Ratchet's helmet cheekguard is gray instead of white just before Kremzeek shorts him out.
**When he says he doesn't have a plan, Optimus's bumper is red instead of gray. This happens again just after he hits the train.
**When Kremzeek smashes the televisions, they are gray and later change to red.
**Inferno's neck is red instead of gray as he watches the power tower light up.
**When Blaster notes that he's low on power, his helmet is entirely red, then entirely gray, then a mix of the two over the next few shots.
**As Optimus averts his eyes from the impending demise of Kremzeek, the top of his helmet is gray instead of blue.
**Blaster's helmet forehead is red as the group stands alongside Omega on the beach.
*The circuit trap is dropped ''into'' the entrance to Autobot Headquarters... but a second shot shows it bouncing toward the exit.
*When Jazz is attacked and shorted by Kremzeek in the first act, his few lines are done by voice director [[Wally Burr]] rather than [[Scatman Crothers]]; the resulting voice would also be used for Thundercracker in "[[War Dawn (episode)|War Dawn]]" and for Ratchet in "[[Masquerade]]".
*When Optimus Prime says that they have to "insulate the other Autobots" and then surveys the casualties, Jazz is shown without his characteristic hood stripe (or any headlights to speak of, for that matter).
*As Inferno and Bumblebee first find Kremzeek destroying some equipment, the size and shape of the room changes between shots. Inferno's sudden declaration - "you can't catch the thing; you can't hold it, you can't shoot it" - doesn't follow on from any action that would make him say it.
*Scale issues abound in this episode. For instance, as the Autobots head towards Omega Supreme to board him, and Sparkplug turns around to run back into the base, Sparkplug's nearly the same size as Bumblebee. Kremzeek, meanwhile, changes size constantly - though maybe one can excuse it as part of the character's design?
*Once Kremzeek gets inside it, the train woobers and wiggles like it's made of rubber. It may just be for comic effect... or maybe the animators just didn't know how else to convey "whole train goes berzerk".
*The energy magnet tower has vertical striping as it rises from the sea, but none when it's shown as a matte painting in the following shot.
*Starscream's voice is noticeably higher-pitched than usual as the "seascraper" is put in place.
*As the Autobots chase Kremzeek out of the train station and onto the street, the Japanese population has suddenly turned caucasian. This occurs again at the movie theatre.
*Blaster is drawn mouthing Inferno's "Where did he go now?" line.
*The sign outside the video game arcade appears to be a horrific mishmash of Japanese katakana and English letters. Instead of spelling "game arcade" as "ゲームアーケード", it is spelled as "Ｋ゛ームアーＫード" with a ''dakuten'' (the tiny quote mark) over the first K as if to make it a G-sound as it does when used in kana. Additionally, the "ア" character appears to be very poorly formed, or just mirrored. It is uncertain whether this episode was animated by [[Toei]] or the as-yet-[[Unknown Generation 1 animation studio]]. If the episode ''was'' done by Toei, then such slaughtering of the Japanese language is especially bizarre, considering Toei is a ''Japanese'' studio.
*The arcade sign, when shown again as the patrons are fleeing, looks nothing like when it was originally shown. In fact, it looks to have a Korean character as well as a Kanji "出" (out).
*Blaster's line "Come on out of there, you short circuit" doesn't time up with Kremzeek entering or being inside of anything - he's just running down the street at that point.
*Before Kremzeek enters the robot arm to start smashing the televisions, they're exploding all by themselves for no reason!
*When Blaster is re-tuned by the doctor to capture Kremzeek, he instantly changes to his boombox mode in the next frame without going through the animation for it, making it appear as if a small chunk of the episode was cut out. Strangely, despite that, you can still hear the tail end of Blaster's transforming sound effect.
*The second commercial break fades to black before the audio stops; the audio - and the background music - are abruptly cut off by the commercial bumper.
*When Optimus has the idea to head to the nearest power station, the front of his cab section is slanted severely inward (it should be flat).
*The animators, having drawn a long sequence of the Autobots hanging on to Prime's cab as he drives down the train tracks, apparently forgot that the other Autobots can transform. As the Autobots rush off to the power station, they jump on to Prime's trailer again - and even their human buddy Dr. Yoshikawa does so! Bumblebee is missing from the shot, to boot.
*Megatron is missing his insignia as he declares that "we will drain this planet dry!"
*Whilst on the command bridge of the Energon Magnet, on at least two separate occasions, Starscream's mouth is replaced with three lines that look like a mouthplate animation. However, when he speaks, his mouth returns.
*Also, Soundwave's Decepticon insignia is missing during those sequences on the command bridge.
*When Optimus yells "Hit him with all you got, Inferno!", Inferno's truck mode is [[Scale|huge]] - it's drawn as tall as [[robot mode]] Optimus.
*As Prime congratulates Blaster on coming up with a plan, Bumblebee is almost as big as Inferno.
*Megatron's "Nothing can stop me" line continues long after the animation shows him stopping and reacting to the oncoming Kremzeek.
*As the Autobots are about to disperse Kremzeek, Bumblebee is missing his Autobot symbol.

===Continuity errors===
*Megatron rides inside Thrust to drop the box holding Kremzeek into Autobot headquarters. Since when can Megatron fit ''inside'' Thrust? And where on Thrust is the huge circular window he's sitting next to? We saw in "[[Megatron's Master Plan, Part 1]]" that an ordinary human fits into [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]]'s cockpit, and Thrust shares Dirge's basic [[alternate mode]].
*Jazz is the first Autobot incapacitated by Kremzeek, yet we see him walk into the same room fresh as a daisy with Ratchet just a moment later.
*Once again, human buildings are easily entered by Autobots, and human-sized control panels are used by them (their fingers should be too big to hit individual buttons!).
[[File:Kremzeek blaster littlekrem.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]
*If Sparkplug's insulating foam prevents Kremzeek from getting inside the Autobots, how did he get inside Blaster on two separate occasions?
*On that note, why didn't Kremzeek cause Blaster to short-circuit when he was inside him?
*The traffic intersection Kremzeek is causing havoc at is shown as a right-hand traffic system; in Japan cars drive on the left.
*How does the antenna building have power when the rest of the city is drained?
*If Kremzeek is pure energy, why wasn't he pulled to the energy magnet along with the rest of the energy in the city?

===Continuity notes===
*This would not be the end of Kremzeek. He would return again as an [[Easter egg]] in the [[Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Dreamwave G1 continuity]] and ''[[Transformers: Kiss Players (manga)|Kiss Players]]'', not to mention having a [[Sound and Fury|small cameo]] in ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers Animated]]''. [[Sam Witwicky]] even has a little Kremzeek figurine on his desk in the [[Transformers: Movie Adaptation|''Transformers'' movie comic adaptation]]. His image would also decorate the floor of Megatron's palace AND a [[soft drink|soda]] can(?) of Starscream's in the ''[[Transformers: The Reign of Starscream|The Reign of Starscream]]'' movie sequel comics series.
*Kremzeek shows various emotions, experiences exhaustion and pain... he is a very sentient being. Yet Prime seems to forget his motto, i.e. that "Freedom is right of all sentient beings" when he gives the execution order. His reasoning is that "He doesn't belong on this world", yet he took the effort to blast the Morphobot plants back into space, and we know that Kremzeek can be contained in a circuit trap box (i.e. long enough to be put in a space ship). Is he discriminatory against energy-lifeforms?

===Real-world references===
[[File:Hojoni.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Dum Dum, if that big, pink, non-clothes-wearin' woman is loose again, '''I quit!''']]
*Most of the episode is set in Tokyo, Japan, resulting in references galore:
**A sign advertising a distinctly [[Godzilla]]-esque monster movie called ''[[Hojoni]]'' is seen in this episode.
**A sign advertising [[wikipedia:Kirin Brewery Company|'''KIRIN''' beer]] is seen in this episode.
**Given the location and size, the "antenna" is likely the [[Tokyo Tower]].
**The white and green trains the Autobots encounter when they first arrive in Japan are the Shinkansen "Bullet-Trains", specifically the "[[wikipedia:0 Series Shinkansen|0 series]]", which no longer operate today, but were the main trains in use at the time.
**Shibuya is one of the major wards in Tokyo.
**An overly large [[Mount Fuji]] is shown along with the Tokyo skyline at sunset.
**US Naval Warships are shown operating off the cost of Japan. Aside from active war zones, Japan houses the largest deployment of US military personnel outside of the US.
*Japanese spoken in the episode (very badly pronounced):
**The woman the conductor runs into: "Hey, watch it."
**Guy with the Walkman: "What in the world?" (with a ''very'' heavy accent)
**People coming out of the theatre: "I've never seen such a stupid movie."
*When Teletraan I is scrambled by Kremzeek, some of its babbling includes a dose of [[wikipedia:Newspeak|Newspeak]] a la [[wikipedia:Nineteen Eighty-Four|George Orwell's ''Nineteen Eighty-Four'']].
*The Walkman, of course, was Sony's huge-hit portable tape player of the 1980s.
*''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]]'' sound effects:
**The title character is constantly accompanied by the sound of clashing and sparking [[lightsaber]]s, from [[Obi-Wan Kenobi|Ben]] and [[Darth Vader]]'s duel on the [[Death Star]].
**''[[Millennium Falcon]]'' engine burst as Omega's rocket launches, twice.

===Trivia===
[[File:Kremzeek multiple Kremzeeks.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Each one represents a re-use of this plot.]]
*David Wise recycled certain set pieces of this episode from the ''He-Man and the Masters of the Universe'' episode "Day of the Machines", including the creation of Kremzeek (it was a little more involved in the ''Masters of the Universe'' episode), his transmission to the Autobots, and the final scene of Kremzeek messing up the Decepticons' base. Wise is known for [[David Wise#Recycle-o-matic|reusing his ideas and set pieces]], and recycled the main plot of this episode wholesale for the ''Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles'' (1987) episode "The Big ZIPP Attack", and then again for the ''Mighty Ducks'' episode "Zap Attack".
*This is one of the few episodes (possibly the only one) where the Decepticons triumph over the Autobots.

===Foreign localization===
'''German'''
:*''Title (Generation 2 dub):'' "'''Elektro-Schock'''" ("Electro-Shock")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[August 20]], [[1994]]

'''Italian'''
:*''Title (dub 2):'' "'''Kremzeek!'''"
:*''Original airdate:'' ?
:*This episode was not broadcast in Italy during the 1980s. It was not dubbed until 2008.

'''Japanese'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Panic the Kremzeek!'''" (パニック・ザ・クレムジーク!)
:*''Original airdate:'' [[March 28]], [[1986]]

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;[[Wikipedia:LaserDisc|LaserDisc]]
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1995 — ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' — Megatron Set ([[TakaraTomy|Takara]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1999 — ''The Transformers'' — Decepticon Edition ([[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer LDC]]) — Japanese audio only.
;DVD
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2001 — ''The Transformers'' — DVD Box 2 (Pioneer LDC) — Japanese audio only. 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2003 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2 ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2003 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2: Vol. 6 (Rhino Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2 ([[Metrodome]]) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Collection 3: Series 2.2 ([[Madman Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2006 — ''Transformers'' — The Complete Generation One Collection (Metrodome) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2007 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection (Madman Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of Italy.png|20px|Italy]] 2009 — ''Transformers'' — Volume 05: Stagione Due Parte Terza ([[Medianetwork Communication]]) — English and Italian audio. 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2009 — ''Transformers'' — Season Two: Part Two (Metrodome) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection: Decepticon Edition (Madman Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Series: 25th Anniversary "Matrix of Leadership" Collection ([[Shout! Factory]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Season Two, Volume Two: 25th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2011 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Original Series (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2014 — ''The Transformers'' — Season Two, Volume Two: 30th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2014 — ''Transformers'' — The Classic Animated Series (Metrodome)

==External links==
*[http://cybertronchronicle.com/cartoon-dossier/season-2/synopses/700-47.html Episode Dossier at The Cybertron Chronicle]

[[Category:The Transformers episodes]]
[[Category:Generation 2 episodes]]

Robosmasher

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Chris rabbit: /* The Transformers cartoon */ A: sentences shouldn't start with 'but'; B: in that context, it's better to follow 'so' with 'that', to avoid confusion with it meaning 'hence' (this is why I put a comma after 'wall')

[[File:Robo-Smasher.jpg|right|upright=1.67|thumb|Smashing, [[Dinsmoore]], absolutely smashing!]]
The '''Robo-Smasher''' is a machine built by [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]]. It has the ability to permanently reprogram a [[Transformer]] as a [[Decepticon]]. This seems to be a very fast operation, requiring only a few seconds of work once access to the victim's circuitry is achieved.

The Robo-Smasher is larger than an average Transformer and has six legs and five tentacles. The three central tentacles are tipped with a device which appears to be some sort of [[laser scalpel]] or [[cyberforcep]], and the side tentacles are tipped with spiked balls. The side tentacles are used to ensnare and immobilize a victim, and then the central tentacles cut open the Transformer to perform the reprogramming.

==Fiction==
===''The Transformers'' cartoon===
[[File:Robo-Smasher at work.jpg|left|upright=0.85|thumb|Few survived the Great Roomba Revolt.]]
[[File:Robo-Smashing.jpg|right|upright=0.85|thumb|First it cuts a hole to let the demons out.]]
The Robo-Smasher was in operation for an unknown length of time in the [[Golden Age]] of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] claimed that the device was used to "swell the ranks of the Decepticons", which implies that a significant portion of the Decepticon forces at one time may have been "recruited" through its use. The only specific Transformers it is known to have converted are [[Gyronian Sentry|some dude]] and the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]], the latter of whom Megatron also gifted with a [[Devastator (G1)|combined mode]] in the process. Omega Supreme tried to reprogram them ''back'' to their old selves, and he appeared to have succeeded at first. On the other hand, they would end up betraying him, using their new Devastator mode to pin him against a wall, so that the Robo-Smasher could grip his head. Omega destroyed the machine before it could finish its work, but the experience left him cold and notoriously taciturn, desiring only revenge upon the Constructicons. {{storylink|The Secret of Omega Supreme (episode)|The Secret of Omega Supreme}}

[[File:Robo-Smasher and Omega Supreme.jpg|left|upright=0.85|thumb|Now, point on the toy where the Robo-Smasher touched you.]]
It does not appear to have ever smashed anything, despite the name.

===E-Hobby toy bios===
While the Robo-Smasher did a fine job on the Constructicons it caught, it missed at least one. [[Hauler]], estranged from his brainwashed teammates, ended up joining the Autobots. {{storylink|Hauler|Roadhauler's e-Hobby toy bio}}
{{--}}

===Ask Vector Prime===
The Robo-Smasher was a favorite toy of [[Megazarak (Universe)|Megazarak]]. He used it on [[Rail Racer (RID)|Rail Racer]] to turn him into [[Dominus Trannis]], and on [[Landfill (RID)|Landfill]] to turn him into [[Devastator (Universe Ultra)|Devastator]]. It worked by using [[Predacon (RID)|Predacon]] [[personality component]]s to ego-wipe the originals, implanting [[shell program]]s into its victims. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime}}

==Notes==
*This would not be the Constructicons' only mental manipulation. Later on Earth, the Autobots were able to turn Devastator to their own side via [[dominator disc]]s. It is not known how deep or long-running that change could have been, though; Megatron disabled the discs handily with his own "control switch." {{storylink|The Core}}
*The idea of reprogramming the allegiance of a Transformer would be revisited in ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' and ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'', where [[shell program]]s were often used to that effect.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Robo-Smasher''' (ロボスマッシャー ''Robo-Sumasshā'')

==See also==
*[[Destructicon chip]]
*[[Gene Key]]
*[[Neuro-control helmet]]
*[[Personality destabilizer device]]
*[[Shell program]]
*[[Transmuter (BW)]]

[[Category:Generation 1 cartoon technology]]
[[Category:Robots in Disguise (2001) technology]]

Robosmasher

2016-02-16T08:46:22Z

Chris rabbit: /* The Transformers cartoon */

[[File:Robo-Smasher.jpg|right|upright=1.67|thumb|Smashing, [[Dinsmoore]], absolutely smashing!]]
The '''Robo-Smasher''' is a machine built by [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]]. It has the ability to permanently reprogram a [[Transformer]] as a [[Decepticon]]. This seems to be a very fast operation, requiring only a few seconds of work once access to the victim's circuitry is achieved.

The Robo-Smasher is larger than an average Transformer and has six legs and five tentacles. The three central tentacles are tipped with a device which appears to be some sort of [[laser scalpel]] or [[cyberforcep]], and the side tentacles are tipped with spiked balls. The side tentacles are used to ensnare and immobilize a victim, and then the central tentacles cut open the Transformer to perform the reprogramming.

==Fiction==
===''The Transformers'' cartoon===
[[File:Robo-Smasher at work.jpg|left|upright=0.85|thumb|Few survived the Great Roomba Revolt.]]
[[File:Robo-Smashing.jpg|right|upright=0.85|thumb|First it cuts a hole to let the demons out.]]
The Robo-Smasher was in operation for an unknown length of time in the [[Golden Age]] of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] claimed that the device was used to "swell the ranks of the Decepticons", which implies that a significant portion of the Decepticon forces at one time may have been "recruited" through its use. The only specific Transformers it is known to have converted are [[Gyronian Sentry|some dude]] and the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]], the latter of whom Megatron also gifted with a [[Devastator (G1)|combined mode]] in the process. Omega Supreme tried to reprogram them ''back'' to their old selves, and he appeared to have succeeded at first. But they would end up betraying him, using their new Devastator mode to pin him against a wall so the Robo-Smasher could grip his head. Omega destroyed the machine before it could finish its work, but the experience left him cold and notoriously taciturn, desiring only revenge upon the Constructicons. {{storylink|The Secret of Omega Supreme (episode)|The Secret of Omega Supreme}}

[[File:Robo-Smasher and Omega Supreme.jpg|left|upright=0.85|thumb|Now, point on the toy where the Robo-Smasher touched you.]]
It does not appear to have ever smashed anything, despite the name.

===E-Hobby toy bios===
While the Robo-Smasher did a fine job on the Constructicons it caught, it missed at least one. [[Hauler]], estranged from his brainwashed teammates, ended up joining the Autobots. {{storylink|Hauler|Roadhauler's e-Hobby toy bio}}
{{--}}

===Ask Vector Prime===
The Robo-Smasher was a favorite toy of [[Megazarak (Universe)|Megazarak]]. He used it on [[Rail Racer (RID)|Rail Racer]] to turn him into [[Dominus Trannis]], and on [[Landfill (RID)|Landfill]] to turn him into [[Devastator (Universe Ultra)|Devastator]]. It worked by using [[Predacon (RID)|Predacon]] [[personality component]]s to ego-wipe the originals, implanting [[shell program]]s into its victims. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime}}

==Notes==
*This would not be the Constructicons' only mental manipulation. Later on Earth, the Autobots were able to turn Devastator to their own side via [[dominator disc]]s. It is not known how deep or long-running that change could have been, though; Megatron disabled the discs handily with his own "control switch." {{storylink|The Core}}
*The idea of reprogramming the allegiance of a Transformer would be revisited in ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' and ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'', where [[shell program]]s were often used to that effect.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Robo-Smasher''' (ロボスマッシャー ''Robo-Sumasshā'')

==See also==
*[[Destructicon chip]]
*[[Gene Key]]
*[[Neuro-control helmet]]
*[[Personality destabilizer device]]
*[[Shell program]]
*[[Transmuter (BW)]]

[[Category:Generation 1 cartoon technology]]
[[Category:Robots in Disguise (2001) technology]]

User talk:Detour

2016-02-16T08:45:08Z

Chris rabbit: /* Octane */ new section

Will you please stop? You've been going in the same fucking circle for what, hours? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

==Daniel Ross at Botcon 2007==
I'll see your "Attendee", and raise you "Special Guest" with evidence straight from the official Botcon Archives themselves, lol. I confirmed this within the past hour with Mr. Ross via Facebook. Here's the Link to the archived "Special Guest" listing for Botcon 2007. [http://www.botcon.com/botcon07/guest07.cfm]

==Movie Jolt vs Movie Jolt==
Sorry if the post about Jolt not being confused with the previously released Jolt wasn't a good one... Just thought it was sort of a unique case that should be addressed, what with there being two movie Jolts, and unlike the 2007 one which didn't appear in any movies and has since been changed to a different character, also not appearing in the movies, the new Jolt is in the movie. I know that's what disambiguation is for, but I just thought it was an interesting bit of trivia that a movie character's name was already used in the movieverse, though for a different character. (not including the whole movie Arcee thing) -Cliffjumper Prime

==Megatron joke==
The monsters in MMPR always started out human-sized. Then, at some point, Rita throws her staff down from the Moon shouting "Make my monster grow!". The staff lands in the ground and energy shoots out of it, making the monster enormous. The laser effects around Megatron's cannon in that picture look a lot like the staff. Here is a YouTube clip of it: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUelB-OSneY]. Honestly, it's not a big deal to me, but the old joke doesn't really make any sense in the first place. It seems to be a premature ejaculation joke to go along with his cannon firing, but it's not like there's anybody else in the picture for the innuendo to be complete. I think the observation our anonymous editor made about the resemblance to the staff is actually pretty clever. A rare instance of somebody changing a joke for the better, IMO. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 16:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:Huzzah! I have a talk page now! Anyway, thanks for clearing it up... I didn't get the ressemblance of Bandora's staff to the laser blast effects of Megatron's cannons... At least I understood the previous joke, wasn't all that funny but it made sense without the explanation. -[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:54, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Revert Revert ==

Slaggit! This is like, the fourth time this has happened to me. I SPECIFICALLY checked with a preview when I was about to make the reversion, and it did NOT tell me any edits had been made since I'd started mine. Apologies for the confusion and annoyance, but I am definitely not doing this on purpose...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 23:39, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:No worries. I know it wasn't your fault. I'm pretty sure this happened to me at least once as well. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks. That actually makes me feel a lot better about it.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:23, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

==Treatment==
Hey, it's not uploaded anywhere anymore (but Don Murphy has no issues with us handing it around). I can send you the PDF, but I need your email. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:42, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

==Nunchakus==
His name is "Michelangelo". :) --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 14:38, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:My bad. Haven't watched TMNT since the original toon. And I was never into Renaissance art or whatever era the artist namesake was from. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

== Airazor caption ==

Hi. I was wondering what was wrong with the old caption for the Airazor photo.
:Essentially, there's nothing wrong with the toy so criticizing it like that is pointless. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:29, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
::Okay. I didn't think the caption was meant as a criticism of the toy. I thought it was meant to point out that though she was designed as a female figure, she didn't really turn out looking any more female than any other Transformer (excluding Arcee and Thunderblast). But humor is subjective, and what I find somewhat funny might not seem funny at all to someone else.
:::Airazor was designed as a male figure. The toy/character only became female on the insistence of the show writers. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 09:15, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
::::We're talking about the caption for the Transmetal figure. I thought that one was designed from the start to be female.
:::::... oh! Did not realize. Sorry. Ignore me. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 09:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

== Blurr ==

He is known to be a member, which should be enough, but he is also known to appear again later in the season, both through the footage from Dubai and the teasers released on the blog. That's why I said that I believed that it ws exception enough if he wasn't a member, it wouldn't need to be moved, but both together seem to be compelling enough.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 16:56, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:Look at your talk page, anything Dubai-related ''should not'' be discussed here in any capacity. We are not gloryhounds like Seibertron trying to be the first ones to announce every single giant spoiler of every single piece of media. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:49, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::That's great, but that's not what I am trying to say. He was announced as a character a while ago, before Dubai, and on one of the creator blogs. He's known to be in the Elite Guard, and we even know who his American voice actor is. We've even had him make his first appearance. Dubai just confirmed an episode he reappears in. That's all I'm trying to say - that we know he's in the guard, and we have confirmation from various sources of a future appearance. Hell, that we've listed his voice actor should be confirmation enough.
::And I didn't make the edit to spread spoilers - I did it to add info to a wiki, when the info is confirmed. Yes, we should not be obsessed with news, but neither should we put blinders on and wait until info is months or years old. (Hyperbole, but you get my point)[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 22:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

== Rabbicrater Edits ==

Just FYI, the edits HooperX made were capitalizing on the fact that Rabbicrater looks like his name contains the word "rabbi", when in fact it's meant to be most of the word "rabbit". The caption gag of "L'chaim" thus becomes more obvious, though I like the current one better. As for the miscellaneous trivia, I think it's an attempt at a callback to one of the final scenes from the Mel Brooks film ''History of the World, Part 1''. So not TOTAL nonsense.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:Oh, well I don't know much about Judaism so "L'chaim" is kind of flying over my head right now (and I believe even if explained, the Yaoi Kiss Players joke will still be funnier)... And the misc trivia, well History Of The World Part 1 is one of the Mel Brooks films I have not yet had the pleasure of watching... Even then, it's kind of out of place in the same paragraph as the info about the rabbit on the moon... if Hooper wants to bring it back I would suggest he add another asterisk paragraph to point it out... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::Long story short, a robot with the word "Rabbi" in his name, even if it actually has to do with "rabbit" is ripe for Judaism gags. "L'Chaim!" is a traditional exclamation of celebration. Originally, I was just gonna put the lyrics to Hava Nagila up there, but hey. The Kiss Players thing I had to stop and stare at - the two dudes humping are kind of cut out of the frame. But hey, whatever. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 15:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::FWIW, "L'chaim" is a traditional Hebrew version of "Cheers!" and literally means "To life!" I'm up for ethnic humor as much as the <s>next</s> previous guy, but I still find the KP gag funnier in this case. The thought of "Hava Negila" lyrics as a caption does make me grin, though...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

== Real Gear hairdryer ==

Good you took that out for now, I was just too exited to post a unreleased toy for the Movie line, so I did not stop to check if it was real or not. I'm currently looking for more info on it and will put that back up once I found proof.
By the way, what do the read minus numbers next to your edit mean?[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 12:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
-Edit, I fell for a joke! it was just a joke to take the piss of the US toy gun law.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 19:03, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:Number of characters (letters and spaces) added or removed from the total article length by this edit. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:45, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::....what? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:24, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

== Hi ==

I'm listening and I'm sorry [[User:Gyro-Robo|Gyro-Robo]] 22:43, 8 June 2008

== Mayhem Suppression Squad‎ ==

Hello ^^ I removed the [[:Category: Shattered Glass characters]] from the [[Mayhem Suppression Squad‎]] members because [[:Category:Mayhem Suppression Squad‎]] is already under [[:Category: Shattered Glass characters]]. Just like [[Killbison]] only under [[:Category:Breastforce]] which is contained by Combiners, Decepticons, and Victory characters. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 00:49, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

== 1989 Character Models ==
Howdy! I saw the Bumblebee & Jazz pretender models. Do you happen to have higher resolution versions of these images that you'd be willing to share with me? Do you have any more images from this era? (The Ark III needs your help!) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:04, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

== Drift ==

Fine, have it your way! This site could be something awesome for everybody, yet guys like you persist in making it a refuge for your snide insults and negativity. --[[User:Hutch|Hutch]] 03:47, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:If it helps... even some of us here think Detour takes the AHM-bashing to ridiculous extremes. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 04:23, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::Except a lot of what he yanked out was stuff not even written by me. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:25, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Some of us are OK with desnarking the overly-snarked articles. Thankfully Rosicrucian just redid the removal. :P --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 04:29, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::::No, he yanked different parts, and rewrote another. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:33, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
Man, just let it go. We're trying to make the trivia sections ''smaller'', y'know.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:00, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

No! Much, much bigger! I'm good with keeping the Poochie theme for SL: Drift's page, but we really, really gotta get a reference to Rurouni Kenshin on a Drift image somewhere down the line! I can't imagine McCarthy not having Kenshin in some corner of his mind when he was creating Drift. "Oh man, he'll be an ex-assassin, with a dark past he regrets, and he carries a special sword! AWESOME!" --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 16:20, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

==Vandalism?==
Thanks for fixing my page, I appreciate it. Apparently Mr. Anon didn't take too kindly from me having to up and leave his little "discussion". People gotta go do other things besides argue with somebody on the other side of the computer all day. So do you know how severe punishment is for vandalizing someone's User Page?---[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 22:15, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:In this case, I'm inclined to believe it was a simple accident. The guy isn't really all that wiki savvy, and may have just clicked on your sig and thought it was your talkpage. He's... well, I don't hold any illusions he's going to be a productive user here, but he's on a dynamic IP and isn't outright harmful so I'm not sure what a block would accomplish.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:17, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::True, I didn't take that into account. I tend to jump to the vandalism claim (or any claim honestly) a little too gung-ho sometimes, and this is one of those times.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 22:27, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:::S'okay. I mean, I'd be lying if I said my cursor didn't hover over the block button on him while I thought about it. Trouble is his two IPs so far don't even seem to share a common subnet, so even an IP range ban wouldn't be viable. If he becomes genuinely abusive lemme know and I'd be happy to play whack-a-mole with his IPs.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:31, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

Sorry, I'm new here. Won't happen again, trust me.--[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 20:59, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

*Z-z-zay, is it no vandalism to undo the another's additionz-z-z-z without any explanation? What's wrong with z-z-z-z-them?--[[User:He-l-en1959|Waz-z-z-zpinator59]] 01:11, 1 December 2009 (EST)
:They didn't make any sense. You should stick to adding to the synopsis/etc. because your English seems to slip right down to nonsensical when you do captions. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:47, 1 December 2009 (EST)

==Barricade ROTF DS game==
Why instand of deleting it why dont you fix all my misspelling i have the game and all barricade parts are true.--[[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]]
:So... the burden is on ''us'' to fix what you write?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:07, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:Because neither I nor anyone else on the wiki is your personal spellchecker. If you want your edits to stick, put some effort into it and that includes using proper English. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:07, 30 June 2009 (EDT)

== Ze little one ==

"The identity of ze little one is a bit on the fraught side. In the flyover shot of the barge on which the four Constructicons sit, a red bulldozer (Rampage), a concrete mixer (Mixmaster), a dump truck (Long Haul) and a yellow front-end loader are visible. The yellow front-end loader is the alternate mode of the Constructicon Scrapper, and ze little one's robot mode appears to be the same as Scrapper's. As such, the temptation to just consider this a Scrapper unit is great... except that, after the flyover shot, the yellow loader disappears, and is replaced with a yellow Volvo excavator, clearly marked with a large Decepticon insignia. For the purposes of reducing headaches, we're assuming that the excavator is the "correct" vehicle mode, and that it just happens to transform into a robot mode that resembles Scrapper...even though it's not him. "

I wasn't aware of the decision that had reached on the "Ze little one" page, so I didn't realize that this was the reasoning being used. I can agree with this, and I'm sorry the discussion got so hostile. Have a great week.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 00:30, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

== SG Ark & SG Nemesis ==

I'd just have Derik's bot fix those links along with the rest. I only fixed the others because there was about 2-3 links each instead of the 60+ for those two pages. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:32, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

==Thanks for giving me my username==

Seriously best alias ever [[User:Potty Mouth Anon|Potty Mouth Anon]] 01:55, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

== TFA: S.P.'s amnesia ==

You completely sure about that? Seemed like a kind of joke to me - Wasp going through this whole list of humiliation and Sentinel denying it while keeping a straight face.
EDIT: sorry for double posting, my browser's acting a little strange [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 13:26, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
:Except Sentinel finishes the scene by saying "Wait a minute, that was you?" He genuinely doesn't remember, only recalling it then and there. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 13:27, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::Oookay, my bad. Seems like his ego is powerful enough to erase memories of minor, non-significant beings like Wasp, Bee or Bulky... [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 13:45, 25 August 2009 (EDT)

==Deaths of Optimus Prime "fanon"==
That... wasn't fanon. It was more awkwardly phrased, but consistent with how it was portrayed in the episode. Aerialbots even say, to my recollection, that there are "others at the hanger." Elita-1 was rebuilt. Dion wasn't mentioned. What part of that is fanon, and why did that give you the right to allcaps that dude into submission for it? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:17, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
:Well it explicitly said in the anon guy's contribution way back there that "Ariel and Dion were also rebuilt" (followed by an awkward parenthesis saying Ariel at least). Plus, the episode itself is awkwardly phrased... Slingshot says "There are others back at the hangar, his girlfriend Ariel" as though he actually meant to say "there's another one back at the hangar, his girlfriend Ariel". After Orion is rebuilt as Prime, there's no concern for any "others" and they only speak of Ariel, whom Alpha Trion says he'll "send droids out for". No mention at all that he'd rebuild other casualties of the hangar massacre. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:32, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
::Another interpretation: Slingshot says "There are others back at the hangar, [for example] his girlfriend Ariel." Otherwise, he's not being correct when he says there are "otherS" there. Plural. I'm not saying that Alpha Trion rebuilt anybody other than Prime and Elita, or that we have any evidence thereof. I'm saying what the guy wrote, in that particular revision, was technically correct. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:50, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
:::The ''best'' kind of correct. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:06, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

== the Peter Cullen photo. ==

I know the person who is in that picture. I thought it would be fun depicting him being the nice guy that he is. If you want me to identify where I got the image from, I can link you right to the source. [[User:Unicron|Unicron]] 02:59, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

== editing ==

sorry about the starscream page, but did you really have to edit out '''''everything''''' I did? [[User:Masterman555|Masterman555]] 22:54, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:Well, yeah. You screwed up the formatting and the order of figures in the toy section, messed with captions and changed all the thumbnails to ungodly huge sizes. It's pretty standard procedure to undo that. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:14, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

== Robot Heroes Thrust eyes==
Thank you for correcting that, I just took an even closer look to the toy and realized I had made a mistake.[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 22:39, 12 November 2009 (EST)

== IDW ==

Oh come on, dude. We can take the piss out of IDW sometimes, but that last edit was a bit much.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:43, 12 November 2009 (EST)
:Not even my words there. But like a lot have said... Continuum is pretty much the straw that broke the camel's back. And really, their own page needs a dose of piss-taking-out too, no matter how slight. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:46, 12 November 2009 (EST)
What Rosi said. No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:52, 12 November 2009 (EST)

==British English spellings==
Please read [[Help:Style_guide#National_varieties_of_English]], it mentions guidelines to spelling that may help you. As Club material is published by a company based in Texas, I went with the American English. Keep British English spelling in the UK articles. [[Special:Contributions/68.61.240.172|68.61.240.172]] 10:06, 21 November 2009 (EST)

==Captions==
Detour, He-l-en has been contributing to the Armada episode articles in a generally positive manner. Please stop reverting her caption changes. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 05:27, 29 November 2009 (EST)
:Positive, yes, but thus far little more than minor summary changes in Armada... followed by large doses of captioning. I'll lay off since you asked me. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:01, 29 November 2009 (EST) (I can still change his captions to different ones if I come up with better ones, though, right?)
::I am trying to handle the situation in a delicate manner; He-l-en is both a new user and someone whose first language is not English, so we cannot immediately expect her to know every facet of our policy right away. Reverting a person's edits without telling them why is not a good way to grow new users. I'm just trying to be courteous. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 06:15, 29 November 2009 (EST)
:::Well, it's not like we don't always revert people who aren't doing anything but changing captions. He-l-en is at least also contributing a little bit of info, but we still generally tell people to leave the captions alone when they're new and just worry about adding actual info to the articles. (And it's not like we don't have plenty of Help guides available to read, either...) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 06:20, 29 November 2009 (EST)
::::''We'' know we change people's captions back, yes, but I am inclined to be more lenient to someone who has only been around for two days... hrm. Actually, I am inspired. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 06:57, 29 November 2009 (EST)
:::::His English seems to have landslided down to "nonsensical" once he started editing captions... Can I revert those, at least? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:59, 29 November 2009 (EST)

== Sideways Part-swapping pics ==

Detour-
I do have pics of the part-swapped Sideways, however I am not sure how to upload them to the Wiki and add them to the page. If you'd like, I can e-mail them to you if you PM Ultrawave over at TFW2005 (that is my account). Unless there is another way to upload them that I am not aware of? [[Special:Contributions/131.191.68.29|131.191.68.29]] 04:20, 7 December 2009 (EST)

Made a Photobucket and uploaded my pic to satisfy your curiousity-- [http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af279/Blitzgear/DSCN0897.jpg] =)[[Special:Contributions/131.191.68.29|131.191.68.29]] 18:44, 7 December 2009 (EST)

== Sari Edit ==
why did you edit my addition to the page? what i typed was factual. --[[User:0utrun|0utrun]] 23:16, 30 December 2009 (EST)

== Blackarachnia "hit it with a shovel" joke ==

Why do you deem it so important to take the joke out? It works, it fills an empty caption space, so why? Seriously, Why? --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 02:09, 6 January 2010 (EST)

== Lockdown's position as a bounty hunter. ==

This isn't something like revealing the gimmicks to a toy or an electronic voice, or even a street date. It's no secret that the ROTF figure is based off a "bounty hunter", you've seen the card say he's a "bounty hunter" regardless if it isn't officially released, is the addition of a category "Bounty Hunter" seriously enough to get you this unnecessarily riled up? It's not like I'm saying something like he's an Autobot sympathizer or something. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 02:20, 6 January 2010 (EST)

==Captions==
No one appointed '''you''' the master of captioning. You're acting like a goddamn jackboot, so take a time-out. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 02:59, 6 January 2010 (EST)

==My Grammar==
Well i going to tell you why i have bad grammar, i have good grammar BUT i type so freaking Fast in result i make typos, Aslo there some words that i cant spell, aslo i try to slow down but then i start to write fast again -Eagc7
: Then either slow down enough so you can write competently, or don't write at all so we don't spend so much time cleaning up your amazingly-sized mess. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:38, 29 January 2010 (EST)

== Why did you remove my edit? ==

The article discusses fanfiction, so I named two common pairings as an example. It seemed relevant. [[User:CH|CH]] 16:25, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:Because the fandom is so large, fragmented and clique-esque that there's really no way to measure what's relevant/common unless it's completely widespread, as in to the point that even average fans that don't read fanfic are familiar with the concepts used. Megatron/Starscream pairings probably predate Beast Wars itself, Starscream/Alexis was a freakin' epidemic for a time. Those are somewhat "worthy" of mention (in a squicky infamous way). Prime/Mikaela and Bumblebee/Sam, however? Although I'm not shocked they exist, I don't believe the average fans would know for certain that they do. And it isn't really quite as notable (again, Starscream/Alexis being an epidemic), no more than hypothetical pairings like Cheetor/Una or Sky-Byte/Koji.. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:37, 8 February 2010 (EST)
::''Friend of Autobots''
::''Sometimes he talks to me too''
::''My spark fills with joy'' --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:18, 8 February 2010 (EST)

== Right..... ==

[http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Beast_Machines_(cartoon)&curid=15&diff=430695&oldid=430694 What was that weird edit summary all about?] --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 07:56, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:Look at your keyboard, and look at each letter to the left of the letter I typed. :p --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:12, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::It seems we use very different keyboards. All I'm getting is gibberish. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:32, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:::It says "something's wrong with my eyes," okay? Big hairy deal. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 09:38, 27 February 2010 (EST)

== Double dash template ==
Works just 100% fine on Opera and in Firefox and in IE7, so I don't know what the hell you're talking about. The whole purpose it was created was to clear things without creating gaps above the headers. So stop changing it every time I fix the formatting, as you're driving me insane and I'm going to start reverting you every time you do it. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:48, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:Well it doesn't work on me in neither IE nor Firefox. So clearly the coding for it must be flawed somehow. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:22, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::IIRC, you're one of the folks using IE6, aren't you? That would explain that part, if so. As for Firefox, it works fine on Firefox for me, so I just don't know what you're talking about there. (I also checked IE7 and it works fine there as well...)
::But in any case, bring it up with Derik to fix any problems rather than constantly removing it, considering the whole reason the template exists to begin with is to solve an issue folks used to be griping about. About the only issue I've ever had is that there has to be no line return space between the dash template and the following header, but that's easily tweaked while editing. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:38, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:::Yeah, I'm one of the five people on Earth still using IE6. I like the button layout better, sue me. But I do have Firefox 3.5.6 and <nowiki>{{--}}</nowiki> does the same amount of jack squattage. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:04, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::::You do realize button layouts are easily changed in most browsers, yes? (And I'd think lots of broken sites with missing features would be a bigger annoyance... having to surf using IE6 at one of my jobs last year was downright painful, it's missing so many useful standards.)
::::But, like I said, never had issues with FF at all. And even if there are, again, have Derik tweak the CSS, rather than unfixing the formatting fixes. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:13, 27 February 2010 (EST)

== *sigh* "first edit ever" ==

fact is I've been editing over the years and adding useful tid bits here and there, but the wiki just can't seem to hold a proper account. so I start a new and get treated like a punk. gratitude for ya.

And yeah, the tone really isn't to my liking. Derek J Wyatt puts down Beachcomber and everyone treats it as canon that the character is not well liked. well I like him! And think the article should be more even handed.

So tell me, how am I supposed to get started here? I can't edit "the funny" as I've been told the last time I tried a permanent account, I can't help to rewrite an article, what do you want from me? When to I earn the right to call out the Beach Comber page for being offensive? --[[User:Stly92|Stly92]] 01:15, March 18, 2010 (EST)

== Jim-Bob's Diner is indeed a reference to James Roberts ==

[[Maximum Dinobots issue 2|Jim-Bob's Diner]] is, in fact, a reference to ''Last Stand of the Wreckers'' co-writer [[James Roberts]]. Nick Roche said it himself [http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=161572#161572]. (At first, '''I''' thought--and was '''very sure'''--it was a reference to '''Jim''' Salicrup and '''Bob''' Budiansky.) --[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] 19:40, 11 April 2010 (EDT)
:Well then that belongs in the Notes... not a confusing random link in the middle of the synopsis. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:06, 11 April 2010 (EDT)

== Last Dutch Issue ==

The IP Anon [[Special:Contributions/195.240.16.74|195.240.16.74]] removed the "last Dutch issue" sentence from "[[The Void! (US)|The Void!]]" because he was shifting it to "[[On the Edge of Extinction!]]" Now, this may require verification (which is why I'm not undoing your reversal yet), but at least it's not a random act of Anon vandalism.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 11:24, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah, I reverted it before he did the rest. I don't know who to ask for verification, though. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:50, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
::Looks like the anon was actually [[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] not logged in. Good enough to allow now, or do we still need a citation? Sunjumper mentions on his anon-IP talk page (linked in just above, there) where he saw mention of the last-issue status.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 13:13, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
:::If he's Dutch, sure. You're in the better position to make that call anyway. :p --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:41, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
::::Based on his recent contribution to the BW article, I'd say he his. Well and good, then.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:18, 10 May 2010 (EDT)

== Anon-made G1 Cast List ==

I'll grant I didn't do more than a rough glance over it, so I can't vouch for its accuracy, but it WAS in keeping with our formatting for other TV series' front pages. Granted, the cast's much larger and so may be too overwhelming a list for the page, but in principle, it wasn't a ''wrong'' idea. Might be worth adding a notice as to why the G1 TV series page would differ in that respect from other series'.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:29, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

== Toy Swapping ==

Look, I am sorry to keep adding tat. I just thought it was important to have in the article, because it was under the same idea. And just so you know, this whole website is full of crappy, big, poorly written sections and just want to help improve some facts not added. So you can take that comment and stick it were it belongs. I just tried to add something.

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== Toy Swapping 2 ==

I am sorry for the previous comment made by myself about the edit. I was in a really bad mood and would not tolerate anything. I will stop trying to edit or fix any articles to fix things that people deleted that I made. I do sincerly apologize. People have been quite rude to me on this website and I was starting to get stressed. Not to mention I have major anger manigment issues. I am quite sorry for my comments.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 12:37, 4 June 2010 (EDT)

== Hey. ==

Yo, be quiet bitch. {{unsigned|TheRex4441}}
:Keep it polite, please. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:39, 24 June 2010 (EDT)

== Prime VAs ==

The editor was right about Optimus & Megatron's VAs, he just didn't have the right source. (It was revealed in a recent BotCon panel.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 14:12, 26 June 2010 (EDT)

==edit war==
If this edit war does not stop in five minutes and people don't stop getting aggressive at each other, all three of you are getting a time-out. The note is pretty pointless, at best it would be only on Prime Soundwave's page. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:28, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

==Translation help==
Hey, Detour. Since you speak French, could you help me by correcting any bad translations I have for the French ''Animated'' episode titles [[User:Interrobang/Crap|here]]? Thanks! [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:24, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
:Done. Egads, epic fail on the dub team on translating Five Servos Of Doom. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:06, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
::Thanks! That was one of the titles that threw me off. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:21, 5 July 2010 (EDT)

== Cloaca joke? ==

Was there something wrong with [[Airazor (BW)|it]]? [[Special:Contributions/72.229.51.77|72.229.51.77]] 15:22, 6 July 2010 (EDT)

== Anon reverts==
When a dude changes something, and you change it back, and he changes it back with comment asking why it's changed... it might be better, if you're going to simply revert it again, to at least leave a comment of your own, explaining why? If he's explaining his actions, you owe that same courtesy back, even if he's in the wrong. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:25, 28 July 2010 (EDT)
:You're absolutely right, and I can't for the life of me remember WHY I didn't do just that. It's been hectic in my neck of the woods these past few days, I apologize. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:02, 28 July 2010 (EDT)
::Come to think of it, I think the reason might've been that I meant to leave the explanation on his talk page, but ended up being sidetracked by other things. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:03, 28 July 2010 (EDT)

== Nice caption ==

<nowiki>:</nowiki>D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:40, 15 August 2010 (EDT)
:Hah, I was just waiting for someone to add a pic of him so I could throw add that caption. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 03:41, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

== Decepticon Drone ==

I am sorry. I thought it looked simmilar, due to the Red T visor, silver and black head, but not the body.

== [[Katsuyuki Konishi]] and [[Frank Miller]] ==

My joke(s) may be weak, but
#I wasn't violating any [[Transformers Wiki:Caption|caption policies]].
#I uploaded the [[Frank Miller]] image. I deserve a caption or something.
#[[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#Links that overexplain jokes|Explaining the joke is not funny]].
#(Regarding the link I put at the Konishi caption):
:* A straight quote from Gurren Lagann isn't really very funny by itself.
:* Frank Miller isn't someone you'd think to find on TFWiki. I'd like to show people that he does belong here and how nteresting a coincidence it is, that ''both'' sources of the line contributed to TF. I imagine people reading the link would be like: "Oh yeah, there's also that. Wait, this wiki has an article on F. Miller? What has he got to do with TF? Gonna check that."
But really, I'm more upset about your changing of the caption at Frank Miller for reason number 2. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:38, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

== Why are you reverting everything? ==

Why the fuck are you reverting every single edit you see? Is that the only thing you can do? Is is your sole mission to not contribute, but revert everyone else who tries to? Sure, you could just change the singe byte of offending material, BUT NO, YOU HAVE TO REVERT THE WHOLE GODDAMN EDIT. You've been doing this for as long as I've been observing. Also, you've been up my ass about everything the whole time I've been here. Haven't you been blocked before for this kind of thing? --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 10:01, 5 October 2010 (EDT)
:Detour spends a lot of time on the wiki so he often sees poor/vandalistic edits before other editor do. Usually his reversions have been supported by the majority of editors, when he goes over the line Walky puts him in his place. My question is, why are you so sensitive? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:37, 5 October 2010 (EDT)
::If you've been up my ass too, you would see that this is the first time I've exploded over seomthing like this. I have been putting up with shit like this since I started editing here. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 10:47, 5 October 2010 (EDT)
:::I don't know, just looking over your previous edits you seemed rather upset about things on the [[Twitcher F451]], [[Derrick J. Wyatt]], [[Starscream (BWII)]] and [[Shelfwarmer]] pages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:52, 5 October 2010 (EDT)
* WHY ARE YOU REVERTING EVERUTHING???????????????--[[User:He-l-en1959|Waz-z-z-zpinator59]] 10:15, 7 November 2010 (EST)

If you don´t want people to write in the wiki, please let us know. You reverted some adds I made just because, like the vehicle model of some g1 mini-vehicles, the things on skids robot replica, saying its not the place for a small kinda review (just 3 or 4 lines) If you don't like people doing contributions, purchase this domain and make it yours!!! This is a wiki, based on everyone contributions --[[User:Galvatron77|Galvatron77]]
:"Based on everyone's contributions" doesn't mean "everyone's contributions should stick". Your addition are reviews, these should be objective overviews of the toy. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:58, 4 September 2012 (EDT)

STOP REVERTING EVERY DAMN EDIT YOU SEE.--[[User:Bumblebee392|Bumblebee392]] ([[User talk:Bumblebee392|talk]]) 15:23, 14 November 2013 (EST)
:Checking over the edits of yours that Detour reverted: one was you changing a caption and one was you adding a caption. Changing captions is frowned upon for all users and adding captions is reserved for established users. No one is picking on you, we just expect you to follow the rules. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:28, 14 November 2013 (EST)
::I think I get the thing on changing captions, but I don't see what's wrong with adding captions.--[[User:Bumblebee392|fail guy is fail]] ([[User talk:Bumblebee392|talk]]) 15:38, 14 November 2013 (EST)
:::See [[captions|our captions policy page]]. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:31, 14 November 2013 (EST)

== Dalek ==

For your information, there is incorrect information on that page, that must be changed. The Daleks were never first called "Mark 3 travel machines" that is wrong. The were first called Daleks. The machine the ride in was first a Mark 1 Travel Machines, then a Mark 2 Travel Machine, and finally a Mark 3 Travel Machine. It was Davros who called the machine they ride in Mark 3 Travel Machine, but the creatures are called Daleks, and they were first called Kaleds before being mutated into Daleks. I don't know were the hell you got that from but they are also not cyborgs. They are creatures inside tanks basically. I was correcting that. Get your facts right before delete something I did. Trust me, I know more about the Daleks then you. Thus, my user name is LORD DALEK. That is why I am constantly changing that page. [[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 15:40, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
:Except all that is irrelevant to what was said about Daleks within ''Transformers fiction'', which is what this Wiki is about. And I know plenty about Daleks. Don't assume you're some sort of lone Doctor Who fan on this wiki.--[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:42, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

Fine, I will stop editing the part that is in the comic, BUT THE INFORMATION IN THE NOTES IS WRONG!!! And I also did not say anything about being "a lone Doctor Who fan" I just was saying you undid my edit that was correcting incorrect statements. [[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 15:52, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
: That thing Detour linked to when he reverted you sure seems to think you're wrong. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:56, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
::I found two sources that go against what LordDalek is claiming. One is a general science fiction Wiki and the other is the TARDIS Index File, the Doctor Who Wiki (which we link Doctor Who-related articles to). --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:58, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
::ARGG! I have proof that what you said was wrong. Look, you right, they weren't called Daleks, nor they were Mark 3 Travel Machines. They were called merely mutants. Read this:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davros|His solution is to remove all emotions pertaining to weakness, a category in which he groups such emotions as compassion, mercy and kindness, and place the mutants in tank-like "Mark III travel machines" partly based on the design of his wheelchair. He later names these creatures Daleks, an anagram of Kaleds.][[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 16:07, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
::: Yyyyeah. You seem to be quoting the fictional history at us, while we're talking about the actual behind-the-scenes history of the characters. The comment you removed will stay. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:11, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
::::Actually, from a behind-the-scenes standpoint the name Dalek came first. But Who fiction-wise, it was established in a later serial (Genesis of the Daleks, the Daleks's origin story) that the original name of a Dalek was a Mark III Travel Machine. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_of_the_Daleks "At that moment, Davros enters the laboratory, and demonstrates his new "Mark III travel machine", which he later dubs as a "Dalek"."]. If you want the note to focus less on fiction and more on production, I can always tweak it. But it's still a factual note one way or another. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 17:25, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
Better yet, read this: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalek_variants|For the most part a Dalek is simply a Dalek.Notable exceptions usually refer to rank, such as "Emperor" and "Supreme Dalek", although in Genesis of the Daleks Davros refers to the newly created Dalek casing as a "Mark 3 Travel Machine".] For the last bloody time, Mark 3 Travel Machines refers to the CASING not the actual creature.
[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 16:14, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
::::Listen ItsWalky, when the Daleks first appeared in 1963 THEY WERE CALLED DALEKS. Davros is part of the fictional history, and the real creator of the Daleks was Terry Nation, and he called them Daleks. There. I now have fictional and behind the scenes evidence. The comment must be removed.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 16:29, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::Why would you ''ever'' want to err on the side of ''removing'' information rather than clarifying it? When is less information better?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:15, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

== This place is worse than Nazi Germany ==

SIEG HEIL, DON'T FUCK WITH THE LITTLE TRANSFORMER WIKIPEDIA. WE ONLY LIKE SOME POINTLESS ADDITIONS, NOT A LOT.

Fucking hypocrites. You included, Spanish twit.--[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 18:13, 8 November 2010 (EST)
:Please mind your language. And this kind of tantrum-throwing won't exactly have people joining your side in the argument. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:18, 8 November 2010 (EST)

== Fanmodes ==

I got the impression, per the "Fan-configurations of toys" discussion in the community portal, that we ''don't'' avoid fan modes, that brief mention of such is okay. [[User:JW|JW]] 11:58, 19 November 2010 (EST)

== Koiter brothers ==

Thanks for catching that spelling error I missed on their names! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:36, 21 November 2010 (EST)

== Grimstone ==

Grimstone's drones' Mini-Con compatibilities are '''not''' mentionned on their own page.

== Ahem ==

Why did you revert my talk page edit regarding the doctor who connection on Talk:Death's Head?
NVM I see, I screwed it up.

== Emperor of Terror Scorponok ==

What's wrong with his edits? He seems to be adding several paragraphs of information, which you delete entirely. I see one or two typos here or there, but wouldn't it be easier to fix those than just remove his large amounts of work whole-hog? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:03, 16 December 2010 (EST)
:Believe me, I've been mulling over that myself, but ultimately, it's more than just typos. A lot of his sentences just don't read right and would ultimately require full rewrites. Figured someone else starting again from scratch would be better than a Cleanup tag... But if I'm wrong in this, sorry. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:23, 16 December 2010 (EST)
:: The English doesn't really read that badly. It's simple, but better than the nothing we have now. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:29, 16 December 2010 (EST)

==New mexico vs. New Mexico==
Thanks, I totally realised the mistake soon after I made the page.
[[User:MadmanFoidart|MadmanFoidart]] 14:46, 10 January 2011 (EST)

== Reverting edits ==

May I ask why you insist on reverting my edits? Especially the one just now about TransTech Megatron's concept design matching almost-perfectly to ROTF Megatron's design, which I see far more-notable than the "Oh look, it's an H-Tank, it atuomatically links to Armada Megatron" trivia listed before it, which you have left alone.

For this particular case, it is not merely my opinion that the two resemble each other more, as a quick glance at the image displayed in the trivia section, let alone what that trivia links to off-wiki, shows a closer resemblance to ROTF than Armada, by far.
[[Special:Contributions/24.143.42.51|24.143.42.51]] 02:41, 27 January 2011 (EST)
:You're right, looks like I jumped the gun at that one. My apologies. Still, it could stand a rewriting to be a little less... dogpiley. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 03:35, 27 January 2011 (EST)

== Mindset ==

You said: ''It says the toy is a retool of Hailstorm, and Hailstorm was designed as the homage.''
If the Hailstorm/Mindset mold was designed as an homage to the original Mindset, then I don't see how the new Mindset could ''not'' be an homage to the original. Particularly since, given the way Hasbro is planning retools these days, the Hailstorm mold was ''always'' intended to be retooled into a Mindset. What is the distinction you're making? [[User:JW|JW]] 20:13, 7 February 2011 (EST)
:No ressemblance to the original character, for starters. If he was "clearly" intended as an homage, the head would surely have carried over the original character's visor at the very least, yes? And the colors, too. G2 Mindset was white, green and grey, this Autobot Mindset is blue and black. And lastly, the faction allegiance. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:22, 7 February 2011 (EST)
This is how I suspect it went down:
#Hailstorm toy was designed.
#[[Kyde]] was all, hey, dudes, that's totally Mindset.
#Hasbro decided to name its redeco "Mindset."
Somewhere in between 2 and 3, Toy Fair probably happened, when Aaron was all about how this toy was totally Mindset.
--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:20, 7 February 2011 (EST)
:Hmm, okay. Point granted. [[User:JW|JW]] 07:22, 8 February 2011 (EST)

== Motormaster ==

I think the one that said Motormaster's size change is right, because Motormaster is the same size as Optimus, while Optimus has the same size as Motormaster in car mode, both of them with their trailers, i think there's size change in there.

--[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 19:24, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:Yeah, and there's a [[Powertrain|freighter truck]] that transforms into a robot that goes up to Prime's shin. Scale doesn't mean much in Transformers, you have Porsche Jazz towering over Porsche Cliffjumper and Jeep Hound towering over Jeep Brawn and F-15s turning into robots the same size as Lamborghinis. It's a dumb thing to note. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:39, 14 March 2011 (EDT)

== Windcharger ==

"This was removed before because it's false. Don't add it back" How is it false?--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 23:09, 24 March 2011 (EDT)

==Bumblebee==
BOTH of you knock it the fuck off or you're both getting put in a corner for a while. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:45, 24 March 2011 (EDT)

== DOTM Bumblebee ==

Just to clear things up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpqamRtmGRE&feature=feedu the maker of the video says:
because this figure is smaller than any other version of bumblebee, they technically are all brand new parts. They couldn't reuse any other Bumblebee parts cause they no longer would fit.--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 15:33, 25 March 2011 (EDT)

==If you don't like Robert Stack==

You should say so when you're taking funny things he said from the Ultra Magnus page. It's not as if the image even had a caption before, could you not have left it? I ask because since you didn't give a reason, it ''looks'' like you revert all IP edits you see on principle, without checking what was actually changed. Busy schedule? [[Special:Contributions/92.13.226.232|92.13.226.232]] 19:48, 5 April 2011 (EDT)
:Detour doesn't always check properly what an anon added, but he does check. On captions, the rules are very clear though: If you have not contributed to the wiki in a meaningful way, you are NOT allowed to add or change captions UNLESS you have asked permission first on the article's talk page. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:00, 6 April 2011 (EDT)

== Inferno (BW) ==

May I just ask why did you undo the caption edit?
: Because you replaced an existing caption with a YouTube link. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:09, 7 April 2011 (EDT)
:: Are YouTubes links forbidden? I do believe I saw them in captions on this Wiki before. --[[User:SymbolsWriter|SymbolsWriter]]
::: Well, first there's the problem of ''replacing an existing caption.'' It's frowned upon. Second, a little '''[1]''' under an image isn't a caption. It's just a link. It's not pretty or witty, it's just an unmarked link. Captions should be captions. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:28, 7 April 2011 (EDT)
:::: Well, yes, I suspected (now I know for sure) that much (the "frown upon" part), and that's (partially, anyway) the reason I've never edited a caption before. But no, wait, I was pretty sure that when I checked the article after the edit there was blue text "nope.avi" in the caption that was a link to a video, not just "[1]". Or am I missing something? --[[User:SymbolsWriter|SymbolsWriter]] 14:59, 7 April 2011 (EDT)
::::Also, to further clarify things, I'll give this link: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/nopeavi You can even find the screenshot the caption of which I changed in the related pictures there. I hope that article will be clear enough explanation of my motive to change the aforementioned caption. --[[User:SymbolsWriter|SymbolsWriter]] 02:29, 13 April 2011 (EDT)

== Regarding the edits Eagc7 made ==

Apparently you haven't read the [[Megatron (Movie)]] article in awhile, because Eagc7 was just trying to help out. [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Megatron_%28Movie%29&diff=484337&oldid=481886 Xaaron made this edit] almost a year ago, most likely because nobody bothered to fill out that section since 2007. Nobody objected. Eagc7 evidently noticed this and was trying to make the other articles consistent. I think you should have questioned his motives before insta-reverting them. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:37, 12 April 2011 (EDT)

== Mech-Tech page ==

The only reason it was "Just a list copied from the DOTM page" is because he HADN'T FINISHED THE PAGE YET --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:08, 12 April 2011 (EDT)
:It shouldn't be a list, it should be a description of the gimmick, like our [[Automorph Technology]] and [[Mech Alive]] pages, that's why it's tagged, it's even explained in the tag. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:14, 12 April 2011 (EDT)

== Fusion Cannon ==

You have undone my edit of Movie Megatron's fusion cannon twice now and I am wondering why? In the 2007 movie at 1:57:13 you can clearly see Megatron shoot Jazz with his fusion cannon from his RIGHT arm. I just watched it, so I know I am correct. If you have a good reason for undoing my edits, let me know, but until then I am just going to keep changing it back. --[[User:BATTOUSAI XD|BATTOUSAI XD]] 02:43, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
:You didn't watch well enough. That's '''Jazz''' shooting Megatron, not the other way around. By contrast, Megatron's fusion cannon is clearly in his left arm, as you see Prime shoot him off balance before he fires, but he turns around, cannon clearly on his left arm, re-aims and shoots. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:05, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
Sorry but you didn't watch well enough. '''Jazz''' does fire first, then '''Megatron''' fires and Jazz goes flying. I haven't watched the battle with Optimus recently, so it may be that Megatron also has a fusion cannon in his left arm as well and can combine both to make them more powerful. --[[User:BATTOUSAI XD|BATTOUSAI XD]] 10:00, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
Maybe it's a different weapons system, but do you have any evidence to back that up? I'm assuming you have finally accepted that Megatron does shoot Jazz with his right arm and you watched the entire scene. The blast was blue like the blast from the combined fusion cannon and his fusion cannon from ROTF ,and it was very powerful, as it sent Jazz flying much in the same way as it did to Optimus in ROTF. Also, he lost his left arm at the end of the first movie, and if it were solely stored in his left arm, it would not have been present in ROTF. It's probably pretty safe to assume that "the Little One," who provided Megatron with parts did not possess a fusion cannon and the "Doctor" did not build a completely new one. IF you can come up with a better arguement than that or provide some official source material, I'll leave it alone, but if you keep using an ambiguous arguement I'll just keep editing the article.
:Do you have any evidence that it '''is''' his fusion cannon? A single blast from said cannon sent Optimus Prime, OPTIMUS PRIME, flying over a full city block into a building, while Jazz barely flew a few feet. But hey, for added evidence, [http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t285/Detour84/TF/vlcsnap-2011-04-26-01h56m39s185.png this] does not look like either [http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t285/Detour84/TF/vlcsnap-2011-04-26-01h57m49s50.png this] or [http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t285/Detour84/TF/vlcsnap-2011-04-26-01h58m11s5.png this]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:01, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
No I don't have any evidence that it is a fusion cannon, but I think there is a better argument for it being a fusion cannon than not, as I stated above. And yes Jazz did only fly a few feet, but maybe that's because the fusion cannon was not at full power because it was not combined with Megatron's left arm. As for the pictures, they don't look anything like the crab claw fusion cannon, yet that is still a fusion cannon. I'm not trying to jerk you around; this is just how I see it and a lot of this is just opinion because Hasbro or whoever hasn't officially detailed anything. Maybe we could ask someone else who edits this Wiki for their opinion on it and just go with that?
:That doesn't work, because as my screenshots show, the fusion cannon is ''entirely part of Megatron's left arm''. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:23, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
How does that explain how his fusion cannon moved from his left arm to his right arm? I don't see the problem with what I wrote, because it leaves the statement you wrote about the fusion cannon being stored in the left arm and it touches on the blast that was fired at Jazz with his right arm. It says nowhere that it '''is''' definitely a fusion cannon. All I wanted to write was that there is a possiblility that his right arm is a fusion cannon, or at least part of a whole. The scene with Jazz is up for interpretation, but I think it should be added so others who read this article can decide for themselves. As far as getting someone else's opinion, you will have to get someone to help with that. I don't know how to ask any of the main editors and I assume you probably do. Just have them comment in this section with an opinion on it.--[[User:BATTOUSAI XD|BATTOUSAI XD]] 1:39, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
I'm sorry, but both of you are kind of wrong and kind of right. There's a HALF of the fusion cannon on each arm. He brings his arms together and they FUSE into the cannon. He can use each half separately, but when they are combined they do much more damage. [[User:Combaticons4ever|Combaticons4ever]] 22:13, 31 May 2013 (EDT)

==why didnt you jsut fixed it?==
instead of removing all i wrote on the movie Starscream page, why didnt you just Fixed my typos and mistakes? {{unsigned|Eagc7}}
:Because I couldn't even understand what it was you were trying to say. Your poor English goes far beyond simple spelling errors. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:46, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
::Okay, in that case, lets keep a Character Stub template (which i already did) {{unsigned|Eagc7}}

== Dude, STOP. NOW. ==

Abra cannot learn Hypnosis. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 23:19, 28 April 2011 (EDT)
: Seriously, you are now the wiki's worst vandal. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:31, 28 April 2011 (EDT)

== The Autobot Hero ==

I had thought of reverting his edit to Fire on the Mountain the same as you did, but decided against it as the internal link was a redlink. Are we planning on having an [[Andes Mountains]] page? If not, he actually did the right thing. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:13, 6 May 2011 (EDT)
:Well, [[Peru]] wasn't a redlink. Standard seems to be that locations where stuff happens in fiction deserve wiki articles. The Andes mountains do come up in both Fire in the Mountain and the Japanese PS2 Transformers game, so the location deserves a proper TFWiki article, IMO. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:17, 6 May 2011 (EDT)
::And the Kid Stuff audiobooks have the Andes partially destroyed in "Storms of Destruction". [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:48, 6 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Thanks for that! Added the link to it too. I'd love to make a page for it (being the huge Mysterious Cities of Gold nerd that I am) but since I don't have access to any of the material they show up in, there isn't much I can do. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:56, 6 May 2011 (EDT)

==Editing==
I read the "Help:Editing" page.-[[User:Dirgeor|Dirgeor]] 20:02, 19 June 2011 (EDT)

== Crowbar ==
I'm quite not sure why you removed my photo of Crowbar. Can you please tell me?
:Because it's a horrible shot that barely shows Crowbar at all, if that's even him. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:05, 25 June 2011 (EDT)
It is him, you can clearly see Crankcase in another shot. I can understand that the shot wasn't great, but it's better than an inaccurate representation of him in Cyberverse form.

== Crisscross "Error" ==

Rather than risk a revert war, I'll simply discuss the matter here first.

If the package was delivered to the garage while Arcee was away for some unknown length of time, why should she question its origin? I still say someone from MECH could have broken into the garage, delivered the package, and locked up on their way out, thus accounting for the package's presence. (Yes, it's something of an error not to explain it in-story, but I think that's at least a feasible explanation.)--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 02:05, 29 June 2011 (EDT)
: That's how I read the sequence of events. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:01, 29 June 2011 (EDT)
: You make some good points. But after even two watchings the whole thing still felt weird. When you stop and think about it, only Jack or June could've taken care of the package... If Arcee assumes June has... she'd know Arcee wasn't in the garage. So... why's she so casual about the package? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:06, 29 June 2011 (EDT)
:: My postman leaves packages in my garage all the time if I'm not there to take delivery, honestly. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:01, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

== Editing ==
Can we please discuss our debates before filing pages for deletion? I have a strong argument. Please just listen to me.
-[[User:PurpleCyclops|Caleb]]
:No. You don't. Preliminary names are just that, '''preliminary'''. We're not calling Mirage "Rush", and the same applies to Crowbar and Hatchet. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:18, 3 July 2011 (EDT)
Rush isn't the final name for Mirage. Hatchet is a typhoon fighter jet. Crowbar is a Carbon Motors E7 Police car. The trio in the film are suburbans. This is not the case of renaming them. This is the case of '''different character'''.
:No, this is the case of '''different altmodes'''. Do we consider Sideways anyone but Sideways? Because his toy sure as hell wasn't a screen-accurate Audi, and didn't even use the proper color scheme. You're being utterly ridiculous. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:38, 3 July 2011 (EDT)

I was saying that the characters were most likely different since they hadn't the right altmode or altmode size, since Hatchet would be much too big to be a suburban, if he was a jet, and Crowbar would be too small if he was a police car. Sorry bout everything though, I agree, my argument '''is''' ridiculous.

== Joke ==
By reference, I meant a reference to something. A joke. Jokes aren't meant to be useful. And this wiki is full of them. One on almost every image. Which isn't very useful, when they could have a informative caption. But that's one of my favorite things about this wiki. It's humor. Once again, I find you reverting anything I post. Can't I just add a simple joke that can appeal to some people, without attracting the attention of you?
:It's humor, yes, but it's still a wiki. Signal to noise ratio is the key here, and smashing a bad joke about train delays in the first sentence of Astrotrain's bio isn't the way to go about it. Signal to noise, the wiki must be funny but also informative. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 05:21, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

You do have a point. I agree it is still a wiki, and it's not that informative. However you kind of missed the joke. A popular quote in a T.V. show about trains from my childhood was when the person would scold the train, he would say "you've caused confusion and delay". Nothing to do with train delays.

== Spam ==

Does [[User talk:Dynamic|THIS]] count as Spam?--[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 15:39, 29 July 2011 (EDT)
:Not really. Spam is more people and/or bots trying to scam people with advertisements. Dynamic's talk page doesn't fall into that. I'm not sure what he's trying to do, either he's trying to share an easter egg with the wiki or he's trying to spark a discussion, either way it's not really spam. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:16, 29 July 2011 (EDT)
== Volume Number ==
Woops, sorry about that. After that anon troll was just going around changing tiny things on the year pages, I ended up with a bit of an itchy trigger finger. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:13, 29 July 2011 (EDT)

== Dave Fennoy Picture ==

Hi There. Could you find a picture of [[Dave Fennoy]] for his page?

== Doctor Arkeville in sound and furry ==

When the Hot Dog Bot rebels the man he is serving has the distinct rounded triangle jaw and mad scientist like hair style of G1 villain Doctor Arkeville. can you tell me anouther human character in either show has one of these characteristics yet he has both of them, it is pretty clear he is a homage to the classic decepticon allied human please stop reverting this
:Yeah, and I suppose Doc Brown is a Doctor Arkeville homage too? It's very common for old men to their hair up top, have their hair lose color and get a longer jaw. Just because one incidental character sported those features doesn't automatically mean HOMAGE. Please stop grasping at straws. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:37, 10 October 2011 (EDT)

:Doc Brown did not have a triangular rounded jaw and as for the hair several scientist in fiction have it as homage to Albert Einstein. However I am not aware of any other transformers characters that this hair style. Plus I have never seen or heard of anyone getting a longer jaw when they got older. It is not grasping at straws as much as seeing a comparison somebody made between the two and adding it here.
::No metal hat & hand = No Arkeville. --Thy2k, not logged in

== Found cosmos art from official artist! ==

I found some art of cosmy! should we replace the main page now? its from the official artist's deviantart page, sides we got most of the moving violations character photos from devianart too. for cosmos art see link http://tehkoreandude.deviantart.com/gallery/24312266#/d3lnp2f --User:Jazzerprime
:That's not official Transformers art. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 05:31, 11 October 2011 (EDT)

== Tell me ==

Do you actually look at people's edits before you revert them? --[[User:TheOnlyChoice|TheOnlyChoice]] 04:13, 16 October 2011 (EDT)
:Yes. And you only had two edits the last one a month ago, before suddenly declaring yourself the lord of what's sucky or not. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:22, 16 October 2011 (EDT)

== It's true. ==

If they hadn't fallen in because of the surge, five seconds later, it would have turned them into transmetals and the lava wouldn't have had any more effect than a hot bath. If that doesn't describe irony, nothing does. [[Special:Contributions/70.77.36.81|70.77.36.81]] 20:40, 30 October 2011 (EDT)
:I don't recall lava immunity being a Transmetal power. Just because Tarantulas survived it doesn't mean everyone else can, nor do it indicate that survival was directly due to Transmetalness. Also, noting it purely out of "irony" is like saying it's ironic Ironhide's shuttle was on an Energon run because if they weren't low on Energon they would've survived the Decepticon attack. It's silly and pointless. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:44, 30 October 2011 (EDT)

== Can you Remove ==
Can you remove "Luis Daniel Ramírez" page, since it seems this guy Arturo Castañeda is going to be Jack Darby voice in the spanish dub of Prime {{unsigned|Eagc7}}
:Sorry, I'm not a mod or an admin here so I don't have the power to do this. I'll tag it for deletion, though, if that help. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:28, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

== image tags ==

There are always stupid tags to images on a number of pages could you please stop putting these corny and rediculous tags. {{unsigned|108.66.204.65}}
:If by "tags" you mean the captions, then I recommend you familiarize yourself with [[Transformers Wiki:Caption|the wiki's policies regarding captions]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:56, 10 November 2011 (EST)

== Arcee ==
Thank you very much for restoring that caption. Much appreciated. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 03:34, 26 November 2011 (EST)

== "Double Bruticus" ==

And the reason to remove the comment was...?
: The wiki in general does not cover unofficial fancreations. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:58, 8 February 2012 (EST)

I guessing you think you have everything in Transformers prime, right?

== Steeljaw/Red Alert link ==

Huh. Didn't even see that link between the two. Thanks. Should the minor edit to [[Final Transformations]] be reverted to the Red Alert article as a whole, or keep the link to Red Alert's G2 (and only Marvel) appearance?
[[User:Pakopako|Pakopako]] 22:57, 29 February 2012 (EST)
:No, linking it to the G2 section was a good idea, since it refers to that specific event. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:09, 29 February 2012 (EST)
::Heh. Apologies about that. My connection is stuttering at the moment. [[User:Pakopako|Pakopako]] 00:36, 1 March 2012 (EST)

==Why do you delete my...?==
excuse me why do you delete my dreadwing image?
:Because it already existed on the wiki in its proper place. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:39, 13 March 2012 (EDT)

why have you deleted my leadfoot foto?[[user:Shockwave1704]]
:Because it has no reason to be in the Notes section. The Notes section is not a place to arbitrarily put whatever image tickles your fancy. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:39, 13 March 2012 (EDT)

the other user has told me to put the image there [[user:Shockwave1704]]
:Andrusi said '''maybe''' if you followed proper [[Transformers Wiki:Images|image guidelines]] that it ''might'' be able to go in the Notes section, not that you could just put it in the Notes section. And even then, as he himself admits on the Leadfoot page, he was wrong on that count. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:51, 13 March 2012 (EDT)

so i can't add this image nowhere[[user:Shockwave1704]]

are you french? --[[User:Shockwave1704|Shockwave1704]] 12:18, 14 March 2012 (EDT)
: No, he's Canadian.....--[[Special:Contributions/81.164.215.61|81.164.215.61]] 12:19, 14 March 2012 (EDT)

ah ok, because there are some sentences in the france article that could be offensive --[[User:Shockwave1704|Shockwave1704]] 12:31, 14 March 2012 (EDT)

In World War II, France surrendered in the face of foreign invasion, leaving the population to suffer under a genocidal dictatorship for four years. This is seen as a source of hilarious jokes by some other nations.
[[User:Shockwave1704]]
:I don't really see how that's offensive. If anything, it reflects poorly on the aforementionned "other nations". =p --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:50, 14 March 2012 (EDT)
::yes, but in this article French army = cowards--[[User:Shockwave1704|Shockwave1704]] 15:01, 14 March 2012 (EDT)
:::No, the article says that people from other nations like to make jokes about the French being cowards. That is not the same thing as saying that the French are cowards. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:06, 14 March 2012 (EDT)
::::i disagree with you, but if you think so...--[[User:Shockwave1704|Shockwave1704]] 15:26, 14 March 2012 (EDT)
:::::I really think this is a symptom of your level of English comprehension. To a native English speaker, the paragraph you quoted says exactly what I said it does. It is hard enough working in a language that you do not speak fluently, dealing with all of the humor on this site will make it even harder on you as many of the jokes simply won't translate. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:21, 14 March 2012 (EDT)

in my opinion humor is a symbol for every country. Italian people have got their humor, French people have got their humor, English people have got their humor. So it's possible that Italian people think your humorism is a little offensive. --[[User:Shockwave1704|Shockwave1704]] 08:57, 15 March 2012 (EDT)
:No, it's your tenuous grasp on English that's making you miss the joke. Now drop it. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:12, 15 March 2012 (EDT)

what? no, in my opinion you don't appreciate our humor because we are very different. I don't want to criticize you, but everyone can think how he wants --[[User:Shockwave1704|Shockwave1704]] 10:25, 15 March 2012 (EDT)
:I haven't seen any instances of your humor anywhere. It's just clear you don't even ''get'' the damn joke. So drop the subject. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:33, 15 March 2012 (EDT)

Bah --[[User:Shockwave1704|Shockwave1704]] 10:37, 15 March 2012 (EDT)

== Jokerberg ==

I love your Jokerberg statement when you edited [[Daran Norris]].--[[User:Ultra-Humanite|Humanite]] 22:18, 20 March 2012 (EDT)
:Thank you! --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:15, 20 March 2012 (EDT)

Thanks for fixing the help page. XD [[User:Jacktransformerdude|Jacktransformerdude]] 00:47, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

== "Useless padding" ==

I sort of chuckled when I saw this line from you, good on you for having a sense of humour about it. :)
I couldn't help but notice, friend, that about a third of the information on this entire Wiki is "useless padding", meaningless trivia put there for no reason other than to impart interesting information to the reader. And of the remaining information, about a third of ''that'' is flat-out jokes inserted simply to make people laugh. Looking over the rest of that one page, off the top of my head, Toronto being the biggest city in Canada has absolutely nothing to do with Transformers, and the relationship between 'there are no Target stores in Canada' and Transformers is so tangential that it's just about on the same level. So I ask you, why did you ''really'' remove that information from the page? Really, if I don't know, I won't be able to avoid the mistake in the future. [[User:Deusoma|Deusoma]] 22:19, 7 May 2012 (EDT)

== Periods and Spaces ==

Oh, it's no trouble, friend. I just copy the text of the page from the edit window into notepad and then find-and-replace ". " with ". " to fix it up. Then I just copy it back over and go on with my regular correction of spelling errors and grammar checking. It's easy, and it's my pleasure to improve the quality of the Wiki. :-)
Also, some interesting reading for you to back up my position: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2011/01/space_invaders.html [[User:Deusoma|Deusoma]] 23:43, 9 May 2012 (EDT)
:You're missing the point. It DOESN'T improve the quality of the wiki because it ISN'T WRONG. The link you provided is to an OPINION PIECE. It is the policy of this wiki that we don't care whether you use one space or two after a period and that there is no need to change one for the other. It's kind of like how we do not have a preference between US and UK spellings. Also, "friend", you are coming off rather smarmy and condescending here. That is not likely to get many people to back your position.--

== Subscription service figures ==

I had put those on the 2012 listing because that is what the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] page said. Should we change that page? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:02, 10 May 2012 (EDT)

== Faceless tags ==
I'm not the one removing them. [[Special:Contributions/TFMAN|TFMAN]] is. I just remove what he puts there in place of them. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]] 22:40, 18 May 2012 (EDT)
:Use the Undo button, that way you undo all the things he's changed, rather than just removing what he's added without putting back what he's removed. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:41, 18 May 2012 (EDT)
::Alright, will do. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]] 22:43, 18 May 2012 (EDT)

== Vocab ==

I have a pretty good vocabulary. Plus the captions were for a lot stuff I remember growing up as a kid. Good Times Huh? The Picture for [[Tim Curry]]'s page was just Wow. I have never seen that movie before.[[User:SirSpoonwave|SirSpoonwave]] 02:16, 24 May 2012 (EDT)

== Allspark Addendum ==

Thanks for help on the SG Animated pages. I'm used to making minor edits, and I don't have much experience on templates besides the bunny rabbit page. ([[Special:Contributions/184.56.31.203|184.56.31.203]] 19:01, 31 May 2012 (EDT))

==IDW==
If i'm doing such a bad job, why don't you do those articles then? I've been at it forever, trying to edit that thing. Ed
: It would help if your additions were about the characters the article is about. Most of your "How Ratchet Got His Hands Back" additions to First Aid's page were about Ratchet! And it didn't mention at all that First Aid was promoted to Chief Medical Officer, which is the most important thing that happened to First Aid in that issue. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:06, 4 June 2012 (EDT)

== Animated toy/merchandise section ==

I added "Fast food kids meal toys" subsections to [[Megatron (Animated)]] and [[Starscream (Animated)]] pages. With that, the pages got the same "Toys" layout of [[Optimus Prime (Animated)/toys|Optimus Prime (Animated)]] and [[Bumblebee (Animated)]], with an Subsection for each "toyline". If the subsection is wrong, it need to be removed from OP and BB pages. If the subsection is OK, why you removed they from Megatron and Starscream page?

And why you put the toys as available "only in Mexico and Venezuela"? I am in Brazil and have to eat some McDonalds Happy Meal to have my toys. Probably the toy was available in all Latin America (but this is a guess, for sure it was available in Brazil).
:The subsections are present on Bumblebee and Prime's pages because they have a '''huge''' amount of toys and merchandise to their name, which requires extra subsections. By contrast, Megatron and Starscream's numbers are more manageable, hence why the fast food premiums aren't categorized the same way. You'll notice Megs and Screams don't have subsections for Activators, Deluxe, Voyager, etc. either.
:As for why I only said Mexico and Venezuela, that's because that's all that's listed on the [[List of Transformers restaurant promotions]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:39, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
::Makes sense, but Starscream have the "Universe (2008)" subsection. Don't know why the "Fast food" subsection hurts, but will not re-add it, I was only trying to make the toy sections of each character more or less with the same layout/design. Before I waste my time, I have a lot of Merchandise itens to add for Megatron and Starscream (more for Megatron than for Starscream), it's OK to create an Merchandise section? I'll edit the [[List of Transformers restaurant promotions]] to be more accurate and include Brazil there. --[[User:Sharpfinger|Sharpfinger]] 20:48, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

==Shattered Expectations reference in Triage==
It's a rather obvious nod to it. If that's not considered a reference than you might as well not consider the "Beast Machines" line in TMI as a reference. {{unsigned|108.11.36.231}}
:Shattering expectations is a commonly used term, hence why it was fan-applied to Shattered Expectations proper. It's not a reference. Stop saying it is. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:34, 10 June 2012 (EDT)
::If by "fan-applied" you man "the writers of the comic actually named it that", sure. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:49, 10 June 2012 (EDT)
::But it's almost completely out of place. That's like removing the thing about Hardshell saying "yes" in Toxicity by that logic.
:::It's not out of place, he just shattered Soundwave's visor, and that's the joke. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:09, 10 June 2012 (EDT)

== how to act towards others ==

I think for someone who acts like they own the wiki you should think about how you talk to poeple. As a member of the wiki you should show a little respect towards your fellow members start deleing peoples posts with out saying why and then starting personal attacks is a big no you make yourself look bad and the wiki.[[User:Phantom|Phantom]] 13:45, 22 June 2012 (EDT)
:I started no personal attacks. You, on the other hand, called me an a-hole. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:55, 22 June 2012 (EDT)
I think he's just suggesting stuff, right? (lobythelegend 13:49, 22 June 2012 (EDT))

:I know you're angry, but why is that it seems that you're always in a bad mood to everyone who messes up in the Wiki? lobythelegend 13:46, 2 July 2012 (EDT)

== Accents ==

Ah, I had forgotten that. May I suggest this, then:
:The ''[[Transformers (2007)|Transformers]]'' film in 2007 takes the alternate tac that Optimus Prime and his troops learned Earth languages — including English ''and'' Mandarin Chinese, according to the novelization — by studying the [[Internet]]; presumably, each Autobot chose the accent that best fit their natural voice. In contrast, the Decepticons generally use the Cybertronian language. This distinction is lost in the sequels, in which all Autobots and Decepticons speak English even when, canonically, they have had no prior contact with the language.
'cause we really need to get rid of the paragraph that is there now.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 15:01, 29 August 2012 (EDT)

What do you have against what I posted about Octane's cameo in 'The Ultimate Weapon'?

== PCCs ==

According to Hydra Choppmaster and Rollermaster ARE Blazemaster and Straxus. Only the minions/Targetmaster little guys are new characters. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 13:19, 24 September 2012 (EDT)

== Why? ==

What is your problem? I added a joke to a picture of Slipstream that didn't have a joke. Or do you just feel the need to undo everything I do? {{unsigned|AutobotKickshift}}
:Until you contribute something, you should just leave captions alone. And sign your posts. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|Use this!]] 18:21, 4 October 2012 (EDT)

== New ==

Hello. I'm New Here. Thanks for helping on [[Motoko Kumai]]. I Had to find some sources to fix the page. Not my Best. But I'll be careful. Slow Connection though.

Thanks Agian![[User:Energizer|Energizer]] 03:27, 14 December 2012 (EST)

== Computer Problems ==

The reason why my images are blurry is because my computer seems to have a problem with it. Apparently, my computer doesn't like my images being clear, so they just become blurry. I know, I noticed it too. [[User:Movie09|Movie09]] 00:41, 29 March 2013 (EDT)

== Still? ==

Again! How much do ''I'' have to contribute to make you understand that I have contributed enough to go to other pages
add captions or jokes on ''some'' images. Every time I go to the Articles that Need Images page I add an image and that means that I have contributed something. At least I have done something. I'm tired of being followed. I'm starting to belive you have ''not'' seen my captions.
Another thing that I would like to ask is: Why did you say that I could use some cleanup with the Bot Shots Battle Game! page. What's wrong with it? Does it need any more information? The last thing I would want is the page or my captions (or both) being deleted by anyone. [[User:Movie09|Movie09]] 11:49, 29 March 2013 (EDT)
:Thing is, all your images end up being deleted for being [[Template:Badimage|of poor quality]]. Whatever paint program you're using, try changing to something like [http://www.gimp.org GIMP] - using MS Paint or whatever you're doing is doomed to fail. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 12:28, 29 March 2013 (EDT)

== Once Again! ==

My image of Sky Garry has been deleted! This is the sixth time my image has been delted! It didn't even have bad quality! I'm starting to think that you want me to contribute on this wiki, because in seconds [[Sideways (RID)|someone]] has to delete something that I do. [[User:Movie09|Movie09]] 17:31, 15 April 2013 (EDT)

== Blatant and false information ==

To detour....

Who Are you and what blatant and false information as I been posting on bloody web?

Signed Assassinator
:You added information to Arcee (Movie) and Sideswipe (Movie) indicating that they were close allies and altered a statement about Arcee blaming herself for Bumblebee's injuries to say she blamed herself for Sideswipe's injuries. Which fiction is that from? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:41, 18 April 2013 (EDT)

== The Abominus Stragglers ==

I went ahead and looked for [[Blight (Prime)]], [[Windrazor (Prime)]], and [[Rippersnapper (Prime)]] and found them. One question though... do we wait until they're available in the USA/UK, or is it okay that they're only available in Taiwan? [[User:Combaticons4ever|Combaticons4ever]] 22:07, 31 May 2013 (EDT)

== Transformers Prime: Predacons Rising ==

I didn't mean to watch it leaked, I just found it on a website, have you watched it. (Sorry if I spoiled things.) [[User:Speedy Question Mark|Speedy Question Mark]] ([[User talk:Speedy Question Mark|talk]]) 18:39, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

== Lieutenant Commander ==

Thanks for the backstop on the Lieutenant Commander page. I had meant to take the page back to before both of PunchSydeiron's edits but somehow got a little confused and only undid the last one. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:16, 15 September 2013 (EDT)

== Hi! Why'd you revert my Mirages? ==

i'm trying to improve the wiki, but if i'm making things worse, i need help understanding what i'm doing wrong so i can do better in the future. i thought it noteworthy that so many characters with such similar vehicle modes, and most of them with the same name, all used such close color schemes, but NOT the color scheme used by the G1 1984 bearer of the name. Why isn't that worth mentioning? Certain TF characters/names/archetypes are becoming more consistent across franchises for the sake of making Hasbro/TakaraTomy product more iconic, more recognizable: Optimus Primes are big red and blue trucks (fewer black Primals, fewer fire trucks or flame decos); Bumblebees are smaller (either cuter or sleeker) yellow cars; Cliffjumpers are red cars similar in size to whichever Bumblebee lives in the same universe, regardless of whether or not the Cliffjumper is a Bumblebee redeco. Doesn't it seem like, at least for a while, Mirages were keeping to the racer archetype but not only moving ''away'' from G1 colors, but largely moving in the same new direction? Sure, maybe the yellows and reds were coincidental, but i feel like it's circumstantial evidence that should go in the case file anyway. If you disagree, please tell me why--maybe i'll learn something about how i can make more useful contributions to this site. --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 03:34, 6 December 2013 (EST)
:The trouble with this sort of thing is it always ends up splitting hairs too fine and either needing too many caveats or really stretching to make a connection. If it ends up "he's always this, except when he's this, this, or this" then it's not really a trend.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:13, 6 December 2013 (EST)
::i think i see your point, but i don't think the number of exceptions necessarily cancels out the fact that there's a trend. Like, "Optimus Prime is always a semi truck, except when he's a [[Optimus_Prime_(G1)/toys#Alternators|pickup]] [http://www.tfu.info/2005/Cybertron/OrionPax/orionpax.htm truck], [[Optimus_Prime_(G1)/toys#Alternity|sports]] [http://www.tfu.info/1995/Autobot/OptimusPrimeGobot/optimusprime.htm car], [[Optimus_Prime_(Animated)|or]] [[Optimus_Prime_(RID)|fire]] [[Optimus_Prime_(Armada)/toys#Cybertron|engine]]." Furthermore, maybe sometimes it's less of a trend, and more of a division: X, Y, and Z are homages to this earlier TF, but A, B, and C just happen to have the same name. But at any rate, the pattern i detected of yellow and red Mirages and similar racecars may be entirely coincidental, so i'll just put that bit of trivia on my own user page instead of back in the characters'/toys' articles.
::i'll get the hang of this Wiki-editing business yet! Thanks for helping me get there!
::--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 04:06, 18 December 2013 (EST)

== LaserbeaksFury Cliffjumper and the Society of Ultimate Vehicles ==

Thanks for the fixes! (You're right, i did miss the episode and misread that crucial bit of the article.) How did you move ''File:LaserbeaksFury Bumblebee and Sparkplug.jpg'' to ''File:LaserbeaksFury Cliffjumper and Sparkplug.jpg''? (There's been talk of moving [[Acronyms]] to [[Abbreviations]], but i don't know how.)
--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 03:41, 30 December 2013 (EST)
:At the top of each page, there should be a tab marked "move", which will let you move a page or image. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:34, 30 December 2013 (EST)

== Dark Cybertron Chapter 7 "Bechdel Test" ==

Check out the discussion on the comic issue's page. It was somewhere in Infiltration; a flashback shows Verity and her social worker talking about her behavior, unrelated to her relationships to men. [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja|talk]]) 09:27, 23 January 2014 (EST)

== Captions ==

Hello! I saw your post. I understand that you don't permit new users to make a lot of captions like that, and it seems like captions are a pretty big issue here. I decided to join to make the occasional edit here and there, and I know I got pretty carried away with the captions, they're just too fun, and they're my favorite part of this website! It makes me remember how fun and enjoyable Transformers is as a franchise, and even more so how the fandom is just as fun. I will certainly contribute to the website in the future, adding images of new toys revealed (ex. Botcon figures just shown), adding missing info, or a caption, etc. I appreciate you letting me know, I wouldn't want to become a problem for the site!

Jcc2224 (Actually forgot a "2" in my username, I don't know if you can edit that, but it would be great if you could)

Thanks!

== About change to Crosshairs page and kibble. ==

Hey there.

Sorry if my contribution wasn't clear. I know that Bulkhead's kibble doesn't turn into a longcoat. I was just saying he made awesome use of it (as a chair).

I was just saying that Bulkhead and Crosshairs have excellent uses of their kibbles.

Sorry if I bothered you, and I hope this cleared things up.

Cheers!

--[[User:Dean3|Dean3]] ([[User talk:Dean3|talk]]) 01:18, 20 July 2014 (EDT)
:That's not noteworthy, though. It's just kibble being used, and even then one was an intentional design element while the other was just chunks of kibble that were used as a sight gag in an episode, and later implemented on the Leader Class toy. Animated Lockdown's kibble also forms coat-tails too, at least on his animation model, but that doesn't mean we should note it on Crosshairs's page. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] ([[User talk:Detour|talk]]) 09:56, 20 July 2014 (EDT)

:Ah, I see. I'll let it be then. Just thought it was interesting.--[[User:Dean3|Dean3]] ([[User talk:Dean3|talk]]) 18:59, 20 July 2014 (EDT)

== Octane ==

I can see now why you didn't like my edit I posted about Octane, after 'Starscream's Ghost'. When you (people in general, not you in particular) think about Octane's first (and only '''other''') speaking role, 'Thief in the Night', it says that 'that episode didn't end with Galvatron and Octane on bad terms'. After thinking about when you reverted my edits, it makes more sense now, that you reverted them, because Octane (part of how, like I said, the episode 'Thief in the Night' doesn't end with him and Galvatron on bad terms) actually wasn't '''supposed''' to be the renegade Decepticon in 'Starscream's Ghost', it should have been Blitzwing (the episode was supposed to be like a sequel to the near end of part 5 of 'The Five Faces of Darkness', when Galvatron was about to throw him out of the Decepticons, when he thought he was becoming a turncoat to them).

The reason Octane replaced Blitzwing was all to do with how Blitzwing's toy was getting '''too old''', and was gradually becoming delisted by Hasbro, where Octane was a '''much newer''' character than him, so the producers of the show wanted to promote one of the '''newer''' characters. [[User:Chris rabbit|Chris rabbit]] ([[User talk:Chris rabbit|talk]]) 03:45, 16 February 2016 (EST)Chris_rabbit

The Master Builders (episode)

2012-09-18T10:20:03Z

Chris rabbit: /* Animation or technical glitches */

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|ep=32
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|ep2=20
|prev2=Dinobot Island, Part 2
|next2=The Insecticon Syndrome
|series3=''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (cartoon)|The Transformers: Generation 2]]''
|ep3=10
|prev3=Dinobot Island, Part 2
|next3=A Decepticon Raider in King Arthur's Court
|image=MasterBuilders Scrapper Grapple plans.jpg
|caption="Nigel gave me a drawing that said 18 inches. Now, whether or not he knows the difference between feet and inches is not my problem. I do what I'm told." "But you're not as confused as him, are you. I mean, it's not your job to be as confused as Nigel."
|title="The Master Builders" "The Master Builder"
|production code=#700-31
|airdate=[[October 8]], 1985
|written by=[[David N. Gottlieb]] [[Herb Engelhardt]]
|production company=[[Sunbow Productions]]
|animation studio=[[Toei]]
|continuity=[[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]
}}

'''Grapple and Hoist ally themselves with the Constructicons.'''

:''Japanese title:'' マスタービルダー (''Master Builder'')
:''German ''Generation 2'' title:'' "'''Der Energieturm'''" ("The Energy Tower")
:''Russian title:'' '''Горе-строители''' (''Gore-Stroyiteli'', "The Sorry Builders")
:''Italian title, dub 1:'' '''Il grande progetto''' ("The great project")
:''Italian title, dub 2:'' '''I costruttori''' ("The builders")

==Synopsis==
[[Image:Master builders2.jpg|left|200px|thumb|I think you'll need to join Weight Watchers.]]

[[Grapple]] shows [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] a working model of a [[Solar Power Tower]] he wants to build and the two of them take it to [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]]. Optimus is occupied at the moment because [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]] is teaching him how to play [[basketball]]. Optimus likes Grapple's concept, but rejects the plan because it would be difficult to defend the tower against an attack.

The conversation is cut short when [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I]] alerts them that [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] has been shot down by [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] and [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]. Hoist and Grapple leave to repair the [[Autobot]] plane. After repairs are finished, they start back, with Grapple attempting to convince Hoist to build the tower with him, regardless of Prime's orders, but Hoist points out they can't do it alone

Their conversation is cut short when they are trapped by the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]]. [[Scrapper (G1)|Scrapper]] says they've left the [[Decepticon]]s and proposes a joint project. Grapple, enamored with his solar tower idea, agrees, but wants proof of their partnership. They promise to bring proof back and fly off.

[[Image:Master builders prime basketball.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Chillin' out, maxin', relaxin', all cool/and shootin' some b-ball outside of the school...]]

On their return to Decepticon headquarters, the Constructions are confronted with several weapons pointed at them, as well as an enraged [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]], who confronts them with video tape of their conversation with Grapple. They all swear loyalty to Megatron, and insist they plan to betray the Autobots. Satisfied with their explanation, Megatron lets them go with a present. They return to Grapple and Hoist with "proof", an entire truckload of [[energon]], they claim they have stolen from Megatron. Convinced that they are working in good faith, Grapple and Hoist agree to the partnership. The Constructicons are soon stealing construction materials from the humans for the project.

Meantime, Optimus is playing basketball with [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]], [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] and [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]]. After he shuts Tracks down during a drive to the net, Prime notices that Tracks needs maintenance, but no one knows where Hoist is. The Autobot leader sends Powerglide out to find the missing Autobots. Powerglide finds the solar tower and reports back.

[[Image:MasterBuilders Devastator finishing touch.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Look, up in the sky! 
Is it a bird? 
Is it a plane? 
No, it's a sun-focusing sphere. 
Well, that's disappointing...]]

Grapple is in his element, directing the Constructicons as the tower is built, and blissfully unaware of their deception. The Constructicons merge to form [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] in order to place the sun-focusing sphere at the top of the tower. With the last piece in place, the tables turn. Megatron attacks Grapple and Hoist and claims the tower as his own. The Decepticons get to work collecting the energy.

[[Image:MasterBuilders Grapple sunset.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Dammit, I've ruined another garage kit.]]

The Autobots arrive and attack, quickly overwhelming the Decepticons, who retreat behind the tower. The Autobots follow, to find that the Constructicons have formed Devastator and he's not so easy to defeat. Prime tricks Devastator into trying to kick Smokescreen but he kicks the tower instead. A few more rounds of laser fire send Devastator crashing into the tower, demolishing it. Megatron and the Constructicons retreat.

The Autobots dig in the debris to try and find Grapple and Hoist. [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] discovers them encased in a sheet of metal and punches it apart. Grapple and Hoist apologize for the trouble they've caused. Prime is in a forgiving mood, but says they have to clean up the mess themselves. As the others drive off, Grapple and Hoist fondly remember the tower.
{{--}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] (1)
*[[Grapple]] (4)
*[[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] (5)
*[[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] (6)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] (7)
*[[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I]] (9)
*[[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]] (20)
*[[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] (21)
*[[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] (22)
*[[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] (24)
*[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (25)
*[[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (26)
*[[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]] (27)

|c2=
*[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (2)
*[[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] (3)
*[[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]]
*[[Scrapper (G1)|Scrapper]] (10)
*[[Hook (G1)|Hook]] (11)
*[[Long Haul (G1)|Long Haul]] (12)
*[[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]] (13)
*[[Mixmaster (G1)|Mixmaster]] (14)
*[[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]] (15)
*[[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] (16)
*[[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] (17)
*[[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] (18)
*[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] (23)

|c3=
*[[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] (8)
*[[Construction Foreman]] (19)
}}

==Quotes==
"Move over, blue skies. Here comes old Powerglide, king of the cloud chasers, sultan of the stratosphere, ace of the air."
:—'''Powerglide''', king of self-esteem.

"Well, if he's not impressed, I'll... be ''de''pressed."
:—'''Grapple''' worries about whether Optimus Prime will agree on his proposal for a Solar Tower.

"Am I 'drooling' correctly?" 
"The word is 'dribbling', Optimus!"
:—'''Optimus Prime''' and '''Spike''' play basketball.

'''Megatron''': "Ahhh, my loyal Constructicons. You are loyal, aren't you? No! You're traitors! And you can't deny it." 
'''Scrapper''': "Megatron, y-y-you got it all wrong!" 
'''Hook''': "We're still working for you, and for the glory of the Decepticons." 
'''Bonecrusher''': "You see we eavesdropped on their plans." 
'''Long Haul''': "Plans to build a whopper solar tower!" 
'''Scavenger''': "That'd produce megawatts of energy." 
'''Mixmaster''': "Energy we can use to destroy the Autobots. Get it, Get it, heh-huh?"
:— The Constructicons try to explain themselves to a furious Megatron.

'''Bonecrusher''': We'll just help ourselves if you don't mind. 
'''Long Haul''': Or even if you do! 
'''Construction foreman:''' Who me? M-mind? Why should I! hehe... he. [''tears up his blueprints'']
:—The Constructicons rob a hapless building site.

"As soon as my Power Tower is finished, I must find a place to sign my name... in very large letters."
:—'''Grapple''' as the Solar Power Tower is approaching completion.

"Watch out Spike! I'm driving for a layoff!" 
"It's called a layup, Prime! And watch out for Tracks!"
:—'''Optimus Prime''' gets basketball lessons from '''Spike'''.

"'Get this.' 'Bring that.' I thought I was finally gonna ''build'' somethin'!"
:—'''Long Haul''' after being told to bring another solar panel.

"Man, look at that! That's so tall, the top is in a different time zone than the bottom!"
:—Observing the Solar Power Tower, '''Spike''' demonstrates that you don't need to understand geography if your best friends are giant robots.

"There'll be other towers to design and build, Grapple." 
"It ''was'' magnificent... for a little while, wasn't it, Hoist?" 
"Incredible. Absolutely incredible."
:—'''Hoist''' and '''Grapple''', amid the ruins of the Solar Power Tower.

==Notes==
===Animation or technical glitches===
* One gun, many lasers:
** Skywarp only has two weapons to fire, yet about a dozen different laser beams are shown streaking past Powerglide.
* Skywarp's under-wing insignia are missing throughout the opening sequence.
* As Wheeljack gives Grapple his thumbs-up, the glow effect of his flashing "ears" is misaligned from the ears themselves at the start and end of the shot.
* Teletraan I gets the radio-muffle on its voice as it announces that Powerglide has been shot down.
* Improbable viewpoints:
** As Scrapper treaties with the Autobots, a random rock opens up, and out pops a video camera. While this does explain how Megatron and Starscream can watch the conversation from Decepticon Headquarters, it begs the question of just how many random rocks the Decepticons had to load up with cameras to ensure that they'd actually catch something.
** The camera's angle changes during Scrapper's speech, even though it's clearly fixed in place.
** The camera's angle has changed ''again'' when Megatron shows it to the Constructicons.
** The view of Grapple and Hoist that Powerglide relays back to Autobot Headquarters is clearly not taken from a moving airplane.
* Scrapper's eyeband turns gray as he points toward Long Haul approaching with the energon cubes.
* As he welds alongside Hoist, Grapple's butt changes from gray to orange.
* Flying Autobots:
** Prime leaps toward the basket with a flight sound effect.
* Tracks is supposed to be emitting some kind of malfunctioning-type of noise as Prime helps him to his feet, but it's barely audible as such.
* Tracks is missing one of his missile launchers as Spike runs up to join the group on the basketball court.
* When Megatron shouts at the Constructicons for their treachery, and when they threaten the construction worker that they'll 'help themselves if he's OK with it', these are the only two times (consequently making this the only episode) Bonecrusher has his established voice.
* Scavenger's face is almost entirely dark gray as he discusses his welding troubles with Grapple.
* In a bizarre stylistic decision, the Constructicons' second combination sequence does not feature the transforming sound. Instead, as they convert to their combined forms, they get a sound effect normally reserved for energy effects. Each one glows blue after transforming, accompanied by an even more bizarre tinkling noise.
* As usual, the apportionment of Devastator's components is off; Long Haul forms about 90% of the torso, with Hook forming the remainder (it should be split almost evenly between them.) Everyone else is correct, which puts this episode ahead of most of its contemporaries.
* Not that Devastator isn't [[Scale|out of whack]] in every episode, but when the Autobots first approach them, Scrapper's shovel alone is several times taller than the Autobots. When Devastator is about to kick Smokescreen, one of [[Scrapper (G1)|Devastator's legs]] is roughly three times the size of the Autobot.
* [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] appears for a single shot during the battle, standing alongside Optimus as they rock in the breeze from Devastator's hand-swipe. Though he was playing basketball earlier in the episode, he's completely absent from the battle group before and after this single shot. Best guess is that it should have been Ironhide.
* Devastator's back, ie Long Haul's cargo bed, is purple throughout the episode. It should be green.
* As he and the others fire on Devastator, one of Powerglide's laser blasts doesn't quite line up with the corresponding sound effect.
* Prime is missing the horizontal lines on his tummy grille as the Autobots cheer.
* After Brawn finds the ruined model of the [[Solar Power Tower]], Cliffjumper steps into the frame, colored yellow like Bumblebee.
* As Hoist and Grapple first face Prime, Grapple's front bumper is bent in the middle. This may be meant to signify damage from his captivity... but the damage disappears after this one shot.
* As Prime accepts the pair's apologies, Hoist's right arm is missing, as is the top of Grapple's left arm.
* When Grapple picks up the ruined model, one of its solar panels is gray instead of gold.

===Continuity errors===
* The solar panels seem to be the only essential component of the tower. Why do they need to be up on this huge cumbersome tower?
* In robot mode, Grapple and Hoist could ''easily'' have leaped over the boulder that first blocks their path. We'll give them a pass and say they were just panicked.
* Scrapper leaps ''down'' onto the boulder after the first commercial break... but he already leapt downward off the boulder when dodging the Autobots' fire.
* A giant paper blueprint? Really? The super-advanced space robots haven't switched over to a paperless office yet?
* Optimus's "Battle formation! Roll!" order is kind of strange, since the Autobots already appear to have both items covered.

===Continuity notes===
* Scrapper claims that the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] admired Grapple's work back on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. This contradicts the earlier statement in "[[Heavy Metal War]]" that the Constructicons were built recently on Earth, but fits with the later accounts of their history given in "[[The Secret of Omega Supreme]]" and "[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4]]".
[[Image:MasterBuilders Megatron chest compartment.jpg|thumb|right|230px|"Two can play at this game, Soundwave..."]]
* Gadgets and powers:
** Powerglide has a video camera that extends from his nosecone, right in front of his canopy.
** The Autobots can shoot lasers out of their headlights when they drive into battle. The idea never crossed their minds in "[[The Autobot Run]]". One is tempted to fanwank the error away by saying that the events of that episode inspired them to install these extra armaments.
** Tracks has twin missile launchers in his car-mode hood.
** Devastator uses his [[optic weaponry|eye beams]] yet again. He [[The Autobot Run|loves]] [[The Core|those]] things!
** Cliffjumper's [[glass gas]] resembles a snowball or comet, and can be repelled by a strong wind (possibly a call-back to his bio weakness, which says that he must remain upwind of it or fall victim to its effects.)
** Megatron has a compartment in his chest that holds a pair of binoculars.

===Real-world references===
* "Here Comes the Sun!" Grapple says, completing his Solar Power Tower model and quoting the title of a Beatles tune.
* The Autobots make their [[Atlantis, Arise!|second foray into the sports world]], as Spike teaches Optimus Prime about basketball. Prime learns to <s>drool</s> dribble the ball, spins the ball on one finger, and orders Spike to "Compute, quickly!" as he passes the ball to him. Later, Prime quotes the stereotypical sportscaster ("He shoots, he scores!") while driving for a <s>layoff</s> lay up. Later still, he rolls the basketball across his arms and shoulders.
* ''Star Wars'' sound effects:
** When Prime leaps toward the basketball goal, he gets the Death Star firing/Alderaan exploding sound effect sequence.
** Megatron takes off from the ruined power tower with the same sound effect. The Constructicons follow him with the rest of that sound effect, along with some X-Wing Fighter diving sounds.

===Trivia===
[[Image:Masterbuilder.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The Master Bait—uh, Builders]]
* When remastered for DVD by [[Rhino Entertainment]], the re-created title card for the episode was incorrectly rendered as "The Master Builder". This title appeared on all associated material included with the DVD set, and can be seen in the screen shot at right. Oddly enough, while the same incorrect title card appears in the 25th Anniversary "Matrix of Leadership" edition by Shout! Factory, the correct title appears on the DVD menu and the box set's episode guide.
* The Autobots have a color-coded alert system. When Teletraan I discovered that Powerglide was shot down he called for "condition magenta". When Optimus Prime discovered Grapple and Hoist were working with the Constructions, he called for "disaster code blue" and ordered a strike force to assemble.
* Megatron gave the Constructicons his energon because he says that it's his most precious possession. Was anyone else expecting the [[fusion cannon]]?
* Seriously, can you imagine the [[Scale|size]] of the ball that the Autobots need to play basketball?

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;Laserdisc
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1994 — ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' — Convoy Set ([[TakaraTomy|Takara]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1998 — ''The Transformers'' — Autobot Edition ([[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer LDC]]) — Japanese audio only.
;DVD
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2001 — ''The Transformers'' — DVD Box 1 (Pioneer LDC) — Japanese audio only. 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2002 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 1 ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]]) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2002 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 1: Vol. 3 (Rhino Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2003 — ''Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 1 ([[Metrodome]]) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Collection 2: Series 2.1 ([[Madman Entertainment]]) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2006 — ''Transformers'' — The Complete Generation One Collection (Metrodome) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2007 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection (Madman Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of Italy.png|20px|Italy]] 2008 — ''Transformers'' — Volume 04: Stagione Due Parte Seconda ([[Medianetwork Communication]]) — English and Italian audio. 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2009 — ''Transformers'' — Season Two: Part One (Metrodome) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection: Decepticon Edition (Madman Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Season Two, Volume One: 25th Anniversary Edition ([[Shout! Factory]]) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Series: 25th Anniversary "Matrix of Leadership" Collection (Shout! Factory)

==External links==
*[http://cybertronchronicle.freewebspace.com/cartoon-dossier/synopses/the_master_builders.html Dossier at the Cybertron Chronicle]
*[http://imdb.com/title/tt0808858/ IMDb's page for this episode]
*[http://teletran93.deepspace93.com/tf2/ep32/ Teletran93's page for this episode]

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The Master Builders (episode)

2012-09-18T10:19:07Z

Chris rabbit: /* Animation or technical glitches */

{{episode
|series=G1toon
|ep=32
|series2=SRLFtoon
|ep2=20
|prev2=Dinobot Island, Part 2
|next2=The Insecticon Syndrome
|series3=''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (cartoon)|The Transformers: Generation 2]]''
|ep3=10
|prev3=Dinobot Island, Part 2
|next3=A Decepticon Raider in King Arthur's Court
|image=MasterBuilders Scrapper Grapple plans.jpg
|caption="Nigel gave me a drawing that said 18 inches. Now, whether or not he knows the difference between feet and inches is not my problem. I do what I'm told." "But you're not as confused as him, are you. I mean, it's not your job to be as confused as Nigel."
|title="The Master Builders" "The Master Builder"
|production code=#700-31
|airdate=[[October 8]], 1985
|written by=[[David N. Gottlieb]] [[Herb Engelhardt]]
|production company=[[Sunbow Productions]]
|animation studio=[[Toei]]
|continuity=[[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]
}}

'''Grapple and Hoist ally themselves with the Constructicons.'''

:''Japanese title:'' マスタービルダー (''Master Builder'')
:''German ''Generation 2'' title:'' "'''Der Energieturm'''" ("The Energy Tower")
:''Russian title:'' '''Горе-строители''' (''Gore-Stroyiteli'', "The Sorry Builders")
:''Italian title, dub 1:'' '''Il grande progetto''' ("The great project")
:''Italian title, dub 2:'' '''I costruttori''' ("The builders")

==Synopsis==
[[Image:Master builders2.jpg|left|200px|thumb|I think you'll need to join Weight Watchers.]]

[[Grapple]] shows [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] a working model of a [[Solar Power Tower]] he wants to build and the two of them take it to [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]]. Optimus is occupied at the moment because [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]] is teaching him how to play [[basketball]]. Optimus likes Grapple's concept, but rejects the plan because it would be difficult to defend the tower against an attack.

The conversation is cut short when [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I]] alerts them that [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] has been shot down by [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] and [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]. Hoist and Grapple leave to repair the [[Autobot]] plane. After repairs are finished, they start back, with Grapple attempting to convince Hoist to build the tower with him, regardless of Prime's orders, but Hoist points out they can't do it alone

Their conversation is cut short when they are trapped by the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]]. [[Scrapper (G1)|Scrapper]] says they've left the [[Decepticon]]s and proposes a joint project. Grapple, enamored with his solar tower idea, agrees, but wants proof of their partnership. They promise to bring proof back and fly off.

[[Image:Master builders prime basketball.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Chillin' out, maxin', relaxin', all cool/and shootin' some b-ball outside of the school...]]

On their return to Decepticon headquarters, the Constructions are confronted with several weapons pointed at them, as well as an enraged [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]], who confronts them with video tape of their conversation with Grapple. They all swear loyalty to Megatron, and insist they plan to betray the Autobots. Satisfied with their explanation, Megatron lets them go with a present. They return to Grapple and Hoist with "proof", an entire truckload of [[energon]], they claim they have stolen from Megatron. Convinced that they are working in good faith, Grapple and Hoist agree to the partnership. The Constructicons are soon stealing construction materials from the humans for the project.

Meantime, Optimus is playing basketball with [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]], [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] and [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]]. After he shuts Tracks down during a drive to the net, Prime notices that Tracks needs maintenance, but no one knows where Hoist is. The Autobot leader sends Powerglide out to find the missing Autobots. Powerglide finds the solar tower and reports back.

[[Image:MasterBuilders Devastator finishing touch.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Look, up in the sky! 
Is it a bird? 
Is it a plane? 
No, it's a sun-focusing sphere. 
Well, that's disappointing...]]

Grapple is in his element, directing the Constructicons as the tower is built, and blissfully unaware of their deception. The Constructicons merge to form [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] in order to place the sun-focusing sphere at the top of the tower. With the last piece in place, the tables turn. Megatron attacks Grapple and Hoist and claims the tower as his own. The Decepticons get to work collecting the energy.

[[Image:MasterBuilders Grapple sunset.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Dammit, I've ruined another garage kit.]]

The Autobots arrive and attack, quickly overwhelming the Decepticons, who retreat behind the tower. The Autobots follow, to find that the Constructicons have formed Devastator and he's not so easy to defeat. Prime tricks Devastator into trying to kick Smokescreen but he kicks the tower instead. A few more rounds of laser fire send Devastator crashing into the tower, demolishing it. Megatron and the Constructicons retreat.

The Autobots dig in the debris to try and find Grapple and Hoist. [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] discovers them encased in a sheet of metal and punches it apart. Grapple and Hoist apologize for the trouble they've caused. Prime is in a forgiving mood, but says they have to clean up the mess themselves. As the others drive off, Grapple and Hoist fondly remember the tower.
{{--}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] (1)
*[[Grapple]] (4)
*[[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] (5)
*[[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] (6)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] (7)
*[[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I]] (9)
*[[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]] (20)
*[[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] (21)
*[[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] (22)
*[[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] (24)
*[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (25)
*[[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (26)
*[[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]] (27)

|c2=
*[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (2)
*[[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] (3)
*[[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]]
*[[Scrapper (G1)|Scrapper]] (10)
*[[Hook (G1)|Hook]] (11)
*[[Long Haul (G1)|Long Haul]] (12)
*[[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]] (13)
*[[Mixmaster (G1)|Mixmaster]] (14)
*[[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]] (15)
*[[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] (16)
*[[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] (17)
*[[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] (18)
*[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] (23)

|c3=
*[[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] (8)
*[[Construction Foreman]] (19)
}}

==Quotes==
"Move over, blue skies. Here comes old Powerglide, king of the cloud chasers, sultan of the stratosphere, ace of the air."
:—'''Powerglide''', king of self-esteem.

"Well, if he's not impressed, I'll... be ''de''pressed."
:—'''Grapple''' worries about whether Optimus Prime will agree on his proposal for a Solar Tower.

"Am I 'drooling' correctly?" 
"The word is 'dribbling', Optimus!"
:—'''Optimus Prime''' and '''Spike''' play basketball.

'''Megatron''': "Ahhh, my loyal Constructicons. You are loyal, aren't you? No! You're traitors! And you can't deny it." 
'''Scrapper''': "Megatron, y-y-you got it all wrong!" 
'''Hook''': "We're still working for you, and for the glory of the Decepticons." 
'''Bonecrusher''': "You see we eavesdropped on their plans." 
'''Long Haul''': "Plans to build a whopper solar tower!" 
'''Scavenger''': "That'd produce megawatts of energy." 
'''Mixmaster''': "Energy we can use to destroy the Autobots. Get it, Get it, heh-huh?"
:— The Constructicons try to explain themselves to a furious Megatron.

'''Bonecrusher''': We'll just help ourselves if you don't mind. 
'''Long Haul''': Or even if you do! 
'''Construction foreman:''' Who me? M-mind? Why should I! hehe... he. [''tears up his blueprints'']
:—The Constructicons rob a hapless building site.

"As soon as my Power Tower is finished, I must find a place to sign my name... in very large letters."
:—'''Grapple''' as the Solar Power Tower is approaching completion.

"Watch out Spike! I'm driving for a layoff!" 
"It's called a layup, Prime! And watch out for Tracks!"
:—'''Optimus Prime''' gets basketball lessons from '''Spike'''.

"'Get this.' 'Bring that.' I thought I was finally gonna ''build'' somethin'!"
:—'''Long Haul''' after being told to bring another solar panel.

"Man, look at that! That's so tall, the top is in a different time zone than the bottom!"
:—Observing the Solar Power Tower, '''Spike''' demonstrates that you don't need to understand geography if your best friends are giant robots.

"There'll be other towers to design and build, Grapple." 
"It ''was'' magnificent... for a little while, wasn't it, Hoist?" 
"Incredible. Absolutely incredible."
:—'''Hoist''' and '''Grapple''', amid the ruins of the Solar Power Tower.

==Notes==
===Animation or technical glitches===
* One gun, many lasers:
** Skywarp only has two weapons to fire, yet about a dozen different laser beams are shown streaking past Powerglide.
* Skywarp's under-wing insignia are missing throughout the opening sequence.
* As Wheeljack gives Grapple his thumbs-up, the glow effect of his flashing "ears" is misaligned from the ears themselves at the start and end of the shot.
* Teletraan I gets the radio-muffle on its voice as it announces that Powerglide has been shot down.
* Improbable viewpoints:
** As Scrapper treaties with the Autobots, a random rock opens up, and out pops a video camera. While this does explain how Megatron and Starscream can watch the conversation from Decepticon Headquarters, it begs the question of just how many random rocks the Decepticons had to load up with cameras to ensure that they'd actually catch something.
** The camera's angle changes during Scrapper's speech, even though it's clearly fixed in place.
** The camera's angle has changed ''again'' when Megatron shows it to the Constructicons.
** The view of Grapple and Hoist that Powerglide relays back to Autobot Headquarters is clearly not taken from a moving airplane.
* Scrapper's eyeband turns gray as he points toward Long Haul approaching with the energon cubes.
* As he welds alongside Hoist, Grapple's butt changes from gray to orange.
* Flying Autobots:
** Prime leaps toward the basket with a flight sound effect.
* Tracks is supposed to be emitting some kind of malfunctioning-type of noise as Prime helps him to his feet, but it's barely audible as such.
* Tracks is missing one of his missile launchers as Spike runs up to join the group on the basketball court.
* When Megatron shouts at the Constructicons for their treachery, and when they threaten the construction worker that they'll 'help themselves if he's OK with it', these are the only two times (consequently making this the only episode) Bonecrusher has his established voice (such a voice suits his brute strength character). Though wouldn't such a voice imply that he's misleadingly an Autobot and warn Grapple and Hoist that he's a Decepticon inside?
* Scavenger's face is almost entirely dark gray as he discusses his welding troubles with Grapple.
* In a bizarre stylistic decision, the Constructicons' second combination sequence does not feature the transforming sound. Instead, as they convert to their combined forms, they get a sound effect normally reserved for energy effects. Each one glows blue after transforming, accompanied by an even more bizarre tinkling noise.
* As usual, the apportionment of Devastator's components is off; Long Haul forms about 90% of the torso, with Hook forming the remainder (it should be split almost evenly between them.) Everyone else is correct, which puts this episode ahead of most of its contemporaries.
* Not that Devastator isn't [[Scale|out of whack]] in every episode, but when the Autobots first approach them, Scrapper's shovel alone is several times taller than the Autobots. When Devastator is about to kick Smokescreen, one of [[Scrapper (G1)|Devastator's legs]] is roughly three times the size of the Autobot.
* [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] appears for a single shot during the battle, standing alongside Optimus as they rock in the breeze from Devastator's hand-swipe. Though he was playing basketball earlier in the episode, he's completely absent from the battle group before and after this single shot. Best guess is that it should have been Ironhide.
* Devastator's back, ie Long Haul's cargo bed, is purple throughout the episode. It should be green.
* As he and the others fire on Devastator, one of Powerglide's laser blasts doesn't quite line up with the corresponding sound effect.
* Prime is missing the horizontal lines on his tummy grille as the Autobots cheer.
* After Brawn finds the ruined model of the [[Solar Power Tower]], Cliffjumper steps into the frame, colored yellow like Bumblebee.
* As Hoist and Grapple first face Prime, Grapple's front bumper is bent in the middle. This may be meant to signify damage from his captivity... but the damage disappears after this one shot.
* As Prime accepts the pair's apologies, Hoist's right arm is missing, as is the top of Grapple's left arm.
* When Grapple picks up the ruined model, one of its solar panels is gray instead of gold.

===Continuity errors===
* The solar panels seem to be the only essential component of the tower. Why do they need to be up on this huge cumbersome tower?
* In robot mode, Grapple and Hoist could ''easily'' have leaped over the boulder that first blocks their path. We'll give them a pass and say they were just panicked.
* Scrapper leaps ''down'' onto the boulder after the first commercial break... but he already leapt downward off the boulder when dodging the Autobots' fire.
* A giant paper blueprint? Really? The super-advanced space robots haven't switched over to a paperless office yet?
* Optimus's "Battle formation! Roll!" order is kind of strange, since the Autobots already appear to have both items covered.

===Continuity notes===
* Scrapper claims that the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] admired Grapple's work back on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. This contradicts the earlier statement in "[[Heavy Metal War]]" that the Constructicons were built recently on Earth, but fits with the later accounts of their history given in "[[The Secret of Omega Supreme]]" and "[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4]]".
[[Image:MasterBuilders Megatron chest compartment.jpg|thumb|right|230px|"Two can play at this game, Soundwave..."]]
* Gadgets and powers:
** Powerglide has a video camera that extends from his nosecone, right in front of his canopy.
** The Autobots can shoot lasers out of their headlights when they drive into battle. The idea never crossed their minds in "[[The Autobot Run]]". One is tempted to fanwank the error away by saying that the events of that episode inspired them to install these extra armaments.
** Tracks has twin missile launchers in his car-mode hood.
** Devastator uses his [[optic weaponry|eye beams]] yet again. He [[The Autobot Run|loves]] [[The Core|those]] things!
** Cliffjumper's [[glass gas]] resembles a snowball or comet, and can be repelled by a strong wind (possibly a call-back to his bio weakness, which says that he must remain upwind of it or fall victim to its effects.)
** Megatron has a compartment in his chest that holds a pair of binoculars.

===Real-world references===
* "Here Comes the Sun!" Grapple says, completing his Solar Power Tower model and quoting the title of a Beatles tune.
* The Autobots make their [[Atlantis, Arise!|second foray into the sports world]], as Spike teaches Optimus Prime about basketball. Prime learns to <s>drool</s> dribble the ball, spins the ball on one finger, and orders Spike to "Compute, quickly!" as he passes the ball to him. Later, Prime quotes the stereotypical sportscaster ("He shoots, he scores!") while driving for a <s>layoff</s> lay up. Later still, he rolls the basketball across his arms and shoulders.
* ''Star Wars'' sound effects:
** When Prime leaps toward the basketball goal, he gets the Death Star firing/Alderaan exploding sound effect sequence.
** Megatron takes off from the ruined power tower with the same sound effect. The Constructicons follow him with the rest of that sound effect, along with some X-Wing Fighter diving sounds.

===Trivia===
[[Image:Masterbuilder.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The Master Bait—uh, Builders]]
* When remastered for DVD by [[Rhino Entertainment]], the re-created title card for the episode was incorrectly rendered as "The Master Builder". This title appeared on all associated material included with the DVD set, and can be seen in the screen shot at right. Oddly enough, while the same incorrect title card appears in the 25th Anniversary "Matrix of Leadership" edition by Shout! Factory, the correct title appears on the DVD menu and the box set's episode guide.
* The Autobots have a color-coded alert system. When Teletraan I discovered that Powerglide was shot down he called for "condition magenta". When Optimus Prime discovered Grapple and Hoist were working with the Constructions, he called for "disaster code blue" and ordered a strike force to assemble.
* Megatron gave the Constructicons his energon because he says that it's his most precious possession. Was anyone else expecting the [[fusion cannon]]?
* Seriously, can you imagine the [[Scale|size]] of the ball that the Autobots need to play basketball?

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;Laserdisc
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1994 — ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' — Convoy Set ([[TakaraTomy|Takara]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1998 — ''The Transformers'' — Autobot Edition ([[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer LDC]]) — Japanese audio only.
;DVD
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2001 — ''The Transformers'' — DVD Box 1 (Pioneer LDC) — Japanese audio only. 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2002 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 1 ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]]) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2002 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 1: Vol. 3 (Rhino Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2003 — ''Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 1 ([[Metrodome]]) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Collection 2: Series 2.1 ([[Madman Entertainment]]) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2006 — ''Transformers'' — The Complete Generation One Collection (Metrodome) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2007 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection (Madman Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of Italy.png|20px|Italy]] 2008 — ''Transformers'' — Volume 04: Stagione Due Parte Seconda ([[Medianetwork Communication]]) — English and Italian audio. 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2009 — ''Transformers'' — Season Two: Part One (Metrodome) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection: Decepticon Edition (Madman Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Season Two, Volume One: 25th Anniversary Edition ([[Shout! Factory]]) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Series: 25th Anniversary "Matrix of Leadership" Collection (Shout! Factory)

==External links==
*[http://cybertronchronicle.freewebspace.com/cartoon-dossier/synopses/the_master_builders.html Dossier at the Cybertron Chronicle]
*[http://imdb.com/title/tt0808858/ IMDb's page for this episode]
*[http://teletran93.deepspace93.com/tf2/ep32/ Teletran93's page for this episode]

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Starscream's Brigade

2012-09-11T20:45:39Z

Chris rabbit: /* Animation or technical glitches */

{{episode
|image=Starscreams_brigade_5_letsgo.jpg
|caption=Surely, this will be his moment to shine...or not.
|series=G1toon
|ep=62
|series2=SRLFtoon
|ep2=53
|prev2=Auto-Bop
|next2=The Revenge of Bruticus
|series3=''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (cartoon)|Transformers: Generation 2]]''
|ep3=19
|prev3=Triple Takeover
|next3=The Revenge of Bruticus
|title="Starscream's Brigade"
|written by=[[Michael Charles Hill]]
|production code=700-61
|airdate=[[January 7]], 1986
|production company=[[Sunbow Productions]]
|animation studio=[[Toei]]
|continuity=[[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]
}}

'''After his latest attempt to overthrow Megatron's rule of the Decepticons, Starscream is banished from HQ, but this time, he hatches a plan...'''

:''Japanese title:'' スタースクリーム軍団 (''Starscream Gundan'', "Starscream's Brigade")
:''German'' Generation 2 ''title:'' "'''Starscreams großer Kampf'''" ("Starscreams big Fight")
:''Russian title:'' "'''Otryad Skandalista'''" (''Отряд Скандалиста'', "Starscream's Brigade")
:''Italian title, dub 1:'' '''I Combacticons''' ("The Combaticons")
:''Italian title, dub 2:'' '''La brigata di Starscream''' ("Starscream's brigade")

==Synopsis==
[[Image:Starscreamsbrigade1.jpg|left|200px|thumb|You'd think Starscream would be a little less shocked to be in this position by now.]]

In [[1943]], at the height of [[World War II]], [[human]]s waged war on one another on the island of [[Guadalcanal]] in the south Pacific. Their wrecked and useless vehicles lay there untouched through the decades, until the present time—[[1985]].

Within [[Decepticon Headquarters (G1 Earth)|Decepticon Headquarters]], [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] and [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] are having a spat over the fact Megatron favors [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. Predictably, it ends with Starscream shooting Megatron in the back and proclaiming himself the new leader. Megatron recovers after a few seconds, knocking Starscream to the ground. The rest of the Decepticons refuse to obey Starscream's order to kill Megatron, so he attempts to flee, only to be shot down by Megatron. At the Decepticon leader's order, [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] carries Starscream away and dumps him on Guadalcanal.

Humiliated and infuriated, Starscream stumbles upon the remnants of some old World War II vehicles, which inspire him to create an army of his own. He forces his way past [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] and [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]], who are guarding the [[space bridge]], and travels to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. There he breaks into a [[Decepticon Detention Center]] and liberates the [[personality component]]s of five [[Renegade Decepticon]]s. Returning to Guadalcanal, he installs them into the wrecked vehicles, which transform into the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]]. The quarrelsome warriors are not happy with their new bodies and threaten simply to beat Starscream to a pulp, until he reveals that their new bodies do not contain [[energy absorber]]s, without which they cannot refuel: "No energy, no life." In exchange for the needed equipment, the Combaticons agree to obey Starscream's orders for the moment.

[[Image:StarscreamsBrigade Vortex capture.jpg|right|200px|thumb|It was a whirlwind romance.]]

[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] and [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] are making a public appearance at the unveiling of the [[Optimus Prime memorial]] when Starscream and the Combaticons attack. The two [[Autobot]]s are badly outnumbered. The statue is soon in ruins, and pair are abducted in [[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]]'s cargo bay. The Decepticons return to Guadalcanal, where Starscream celebrates triumphantly and the Combaticons squabble over who was responsible for the victory. He tells them to settle down and informs them that until they obtain five energy absorbers, no one is getting one.

[[Image:Starscreamsbrigade2.jpg|left|200px|thumb|"We all lost weight on the Subway diet!"]]

At the Decepticon base, Shockwave informs Megatron that the Combaticons' personality components are missing. Assuming the Autobots are responsible, Megatron launches an attack on the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]. The Autobots, meanwhile, have learned of the attack on the memorial and the abduction of Jazz and Cliffjumper, and they have assumed Megatron is responsible. When the Decepticon forces attack, the Autobots are confused by Megatron's demand for the personality components, and Optimus Prime's demand to turn over Jazz and Cliffjumper causes Megatron to suspect Starscream. Before he can complete his thought, a hit from Optimus knocks him to the ground and, realising that he and his men are low on energy, he orders a retreat. The Autobots consult [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I]] again for the scoop on the personality components.

Starscream and the Combaticons attack the Decepticons while they're attempting to refuel. With the refueling incomplete, Megatron and his forces are compelled to retreat, allowing Starscream to capture Dirge and Ramjet as well. The energy absorber count is now four, and Starscream and his men retire to the [[Amalgamated Water and Power Plant]] to recharge.

[[Image:Starscreams brigade 7 SSrideshoulder.jpg|right|200px|thumb|"Aren't I supposed to have an evil ''and'' a good angel?"]]

Megatron, meanwhile, rallies his troops (except the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]], who are "busy"), and moves against Starscream and his army. In the ensuing battle, Megatron pulls out his trump card: Devastator. Unfortunately for him, Starscream pulls out ''his'' trump card when he reveals that the Combaticons can likewise combine into a single titan: [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]]! Bruticus makes short work of Devastator, laying out the combined [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]]. The massive combiner then scoops up Megatron in one hand and forces him to acknowledge Starscream as the new Decepticon leader.

The Autobots use the battle's distraction to rescue Jazz and Cliffjumper; meanwhile, the late-arriving Stunticons look over the situation and decide that Starscream is too likely to continue his rampage. Merging into Menasor, they defeat the unsuspecting Bruticus with one massive punch.

From the resultant crater, Megatron emerges; grabbing Starscream by the throat, he decrees that Starscream and his army are banished from Earth. The usurpers are hauled away by [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] and left stranded on a distant asteroid in deep space... from which Starscream swears vengeance.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] (18)
*[[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (19)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] (21)
*[[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] (22)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]] (23)
*[[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] (24)
*[[Gears (G1)|Gears]] (25)
*[[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] (27)
*[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (38)
*[[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (39)
*[[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]] (40)
*[[Grapple]] (43)
*[[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (44)

|c2=
*[[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] (2)
*[[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] (3)
*[[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]] (4)
*[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] (5)
*[[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] (6)
*[[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] (7)
*[[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] (8)
*[[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] (9)
*[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (10)
*[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (11)
*[[Brawl (G1)|Brawl]] (12)
*[[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] (13)
*[[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]] (14)
*[[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]] (15)
*[[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] (16)
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] (20)
*[[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] (26)
*[[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (28)
*[[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]] (29)
*[[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]] (30)
*[[Hook (G1)|Hook]] (31)
*[[Mixmaster (G1)|Mixmaster]] (32)
*[[Long Haul (G1)|Long Haul]] (33)
*[[Scrapper (G1)|Scrapper]] (34)
*[[Drag Strip (G1)|Drag Strip]] (35)
*[[Breakdown (G1)|Breakdown]] (36
*[[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]] (37)
*[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] (41)
*[[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] (42)
*[[Wildrider (G1)|Wildrider]] (45)
*[[Dead End (G1)|Dead End]] (46)
*[[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] (47)

|c3=
*World War II soldiers (1)
*[[Marty Minkler]] (17)
}}

==Quotes==
"NOBODY TURNS HIS BACK ON ME!"
:—'''Starscream''', as Megatron turns his back on him.

"I have with me two members of the Autobot team: Jazz and Cliffjump." 
"That's 'Cliffjumper'."
:—'''Marty Minkler''' and '''Cliffjumper'''.

"I see incompetence breeds even more incompetence. HAHAHAHAHAHA!"
:—'''Megatron''' to Starscream, after the latter fails in his attempt to destroy the Decepticon leader.

"Now, Megatron: who is the new Decepticon leader?" 
"Enough! Uhm...you are." 
"I can't hear you!" 
"You are!" 
"I am now the leader of all Decepticons!"
:—'''Megatron''' in the grip of Bruticus (literally), and '''Starscream'''.

'''Motormaster''': Megatron's in trouble. 
'''Dead End''': Who cares? 
'''Wildrider''': It looks like Starscream's defeated him. 
'''Dead End''': So? 
'''Motormaster''': So, you think Starscream's going to stop here? 
'''Dead End''': Good point. He never knows when to quit. 
'''Motormaster''': Stunticons, unite to form Menasor!
:—The Stunticons survey Starscream's victory.

"Bruticus?" 
"No, Starscream, ''not'' Bruticus. It's Megatron—your ''leader''!" 
"Megatron, don't, please!" 
"This time, it really is 'goodbye', Starscream! Astrotrain, get him and his giant ally off this planet! They are banished from Earth...forever!" 
"You'll regret that you did not destroy me, Megatron! I shall have my revenge!"
:—'''Starscream''' and '''Megatron''' after the Decepticon leader survives Starscream's latest mutiny.

==Notes==
===Animation or technical glitches===
[[Image:StarscreamsBrigade Soundwave eyes.JPG|right|200px|thumb|Maybe Megatron isn't the one Starscream should be worried about...]]
*During the first scene in Decepticon headquarters, right before and immediately after Starscream shoots Megatron in the back (about a minute and a half into the episode), Soundwave's visor is absent. He appears to have two separate, red optics instead, which, when compared to his usually emotionless expression, is actually kind of scary. In addition, his tape door has the wrong shape.
*When Megatron kicks him away, Starscream's cockpit is all yellow instead of yellow with gray stripes. Also, Megatron's ab section is uncolored (a few shots later, he has the red and blue buttons back).
*Throughout the episode, the animators can't seem to decide which way up to have Starscream's Decepticon [[insignia]] (or that he has them at all).
*At several points in the episode, such as when Starscream approaches the Space Bridge, his eye color changes from red to blue.
*Starscream is apparently slow at recognising numbers - he rounds the corner, and stands in front of Room 217 for a long time before identifying it as such.
* Starscream's vents are quite a bit higher than the door frame, but he miraculously manages to run into the room without them getting in the way.
*While Starscream tells the Combaticons he wants them to defeat Megatron, his wings are missing for a moment, then they're drawn smaller than usual. They change in size and shape throughout the episode.
*In the first shot of the Autobots, Cliffjumper is to the right of Jazz, but in the next, he's to his right. Also in this shot, Jazz has a line through his face instead of a mouth.
*As Vortex creates wind in helicopter mode, Cliffjumper is uncolored (he's gray instead of red).
*Megatron's head seems a little small when he's chatting to Shockwave over the comm. Also, he's missing his cannon.
*The first time we see (the real) Optimus Prime from the front, his fog lights are drawn too long (they extend all the way to his back!).
*When Megatron is attacking the Autobot headquarters, a black Thrust can be seen standing to his left. The camera cuts to Prime and then back to Megatron, who now has a properly decoed Thrust standing to his right.
*For one shot during the attack, Megatron's cannon is bent at the end.
*As Optimus watches the Decepticons retreat, you can see a blue blemish at the edge of their animation cell in the upper left corner.
*During the same shot, Optimus turns towards the camera and his chest grille is triangular instead of rectangular. Also, as he leaves the frame it suddenly loses all of its detail (the lines disappear, leaving a white blob).
*When Starscream jumps over the subway car, he's missing his feet!
*When Starscream says, "Don't think that it hasn't been fun," when he confronts Megatron, his wings are missing.
*There is no transformation noise for Skywarp as the Decepticons bust out of the station.
*Just before Starscream points at Dirge and Thrust, his mouth disappears for a moment.
*When Megatron rallies the Decepticons before going after Starscream, Shockwave is seen among the group, even though he had been shown to be still on Cybertron. Dirge is also seen in the group, despite the fact that he's supposed to be a prisoner of the Combaticons at that point. (Maybe it's Thrust miscolored.) Ramjet might as well have been wrongly included as well, '''beside''' Dirge even.
*As Starscream says it will not be long before Megatron launches an assault, his hands and lower arms are red instead of blue.
*When Powerglide flies over the Decepticons, his plane mode is not only white, but a different model. Or, [[Bad Boy|could it be...?]]
*As usual, Devastator's transformation sequence is all kinds of screwy. This time, Hook transforms not only into his own portion of Devastator, but also most of Long Haul's and much of Bonecrusher and Scavenger's as well. A second later, Bonecrusher and Scavenger transform into their usual Devastator components—including the parts that Hook already formed! Long Haul and Mixmaster's transformations are left out of the animation entirely.
*Just after Devastator's transformation, as he finishes saying "Ha ha ha ha harrrr!", there are two frames from the Stunticons' "demolition derby" scene from 95 seconds (about 2,821 frames) earlier in the episode.
*Devastator repeatedly switches between having separate eyes and his usual eyeband.
*Devastator's voice is missing its usual reverb.
*When Devastator's head pops out, he has two eyes. When he starts firing, he has a visor.
*When the Autobots arrive at the battle and transform, Optimus' waist is uncolored for a moment.
*Ironhide was part of the team at Autobot HQ, but he's replaced by Ratchet and Grapple at the power plant.
*As Menasor flies towards him, Starscream's face is dark gray instead of light gray, and his eyes are triangular instead of rectangular.

===Continuity errors===
* During the WWII footage at the beginning of the episode, a pilot ejects from a plane. He should be wearing goggles, but is not.
* Starscream maintains control of the Combaticons by not installing [[energy absorber]]s into them, thereby preventing them from re-energising, and a repeated point is made that they must capture five Transformers in order to take their energy absorbers for the Combaticons. Yet the Combaticons are somehow able to recharge after capturing only four Transformers.
* When Megatron shoots Starscream at the beginning of the episode, a plume of fire appears at the aft end of his cannon, and afterward, the cannon is smoking for some reason. This is the only episode where these things happen.
* Optimus shoots Megatron in the chest, and this apparently disables his fusion cannon. Again, the only time this has happened!
* Optimus Prime asks Teletraan I if he knows anything on the renegade Decepticons. Teletraan I then informs him that they were removed from storage yesterday. Which means Teletraan I knew of the theft but did not inform the Autobots about it. Odd since this is something you would want to know about.
* After the Autobots figure out what's happening with Starscream and Megatron, Optimus dramatically orders his troops to "Transform and [[roll out]]!" But it seems they forgot to figure out where they were going; they're never shown arriving anywhere! The next time we see the Autobots, Optimus and Powerglide are once again standing in front of [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I]], and Optimus orders Powerglide to search for Starscream. Who says Prime doesn't learn from his mistakes?
* This episode was aired ''after'' "[[Aerial Assault]]", which also featured the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]].
* So Astrotrain, in his space shuttle mode, can transport Starscream and the Combaticons to an asteroid in deep space, but Blast Off, a space shuttle himself, can't fly them back to Earth?

===Continuity notes===
* Earth builds a [[Optimus Prime memorial|memorial]] to [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] before he's even dead... [[The Transformers: The Movie|Ominous]].
* '''[[Triple Takeover|< <]]''' What makes Starscream the leader? Megatron said so! Well, hard to argue with that, huh? '''[[The Revenge of Bruticus|> >]]'''

===Real-world references===
*Elements of World War II are shown in the episode with the abandoned military vehicles.

===Trivia===
* According to the Generation 1 [[production bible]], this episode was titled "30 Seconds over Megatron" before broadcast. [http://transformers.winterchill.com/bible/biblepage88.html]
* The WWII element of the Combaticons' origin is a strange choice, since none of their toys are actually WWII-era vehicles. The shooting script dictates specific, historically-accurate vehicles for each one, and then it describes them as their modern, toy-based forms, but no explanation or even description is given for the transition. It ended up being animated as part of their transformation to robot mode, and it remains a unique phenomenon.
* Number of times that somebody says "Jazz and Cliffjumper": 7
* The Japanese dub of the episode (poorly) super-imposes Japanese translations of the captions during the World War II recap, which shows the Combaticons' origins.
* The Decepticon detention center sure looks like something you'd find on Earth, eh? The doors are labeled with Arabic numerals and personality components are kept in file cabinets!
* Devastator got his tail kicked. Can you tell he's no longer a new toy, folks?
* The plot of this episode is reused in a simplified form in [[The Special Teams]].

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;VHS
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1988 — The Action Adventure Collection ([[Tempo Video]]) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1989 — ''Transformers'' — Starscream's Brigade (Tempo Video) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1993 — The Biggest Ever Saturday Morning Heroes (Tempo Video) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 1999 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Volume 3: Programmed for Evil ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]])
;Laserdisc
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1995 — ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' — Megatron Set ([[TakaraTomy|Takara]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1999 — ''The Transformers'' — Decepticon Edition ([[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer LDC]]) — Japanese audio only.
;DVD
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2001 — ''The Transformers'' — DVD Box 2 (Pioneer LDC) — Japanese audio only. 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2003 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2 ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]]) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2003 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2: Vol. 8 (Rhino Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2 ([[Metrodome]]) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Collection 3: Series 2.2 ([[Madman Entertainment]]) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2006 — ''Transformers'' — The Complete Generation One Collection (Metrodome) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2006 — The Best of ''The Transformers'' (Madman Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2007 — ''Transformers'' — The Classic Episodes (Metrodome) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2007 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection (Madman Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of Italy.png|20px|Italy]] 2009 — ''Transformers'' — Volume 06: Stagione Due Parte Quarta ([[Medianetwork Communication]]) — English and Italian audio. 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2009 — ''Transformers'' — Season Two: Part Two (Metrodome) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection: Decepticon Edition (Madman Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Series: 25th Anniversary "Matrix of Leadership" Collection ([[Shout! Factory]]) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Season Two, Volume Two: 25th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory)

==External links==
*[http://cybertronchronicle.freewebspace.com/cartoon-dossier/synopses/starscream's_brigade.html Dossier at the Cybertron Chronicle]

[[Category:Generation 1 episodes]]
[[Category:Generation 2 episodes]]

Starscream's Brigade

2012-09-11T00:17:00Z

Chris rabbit: /* Animation or technical glitches */

Starscream's Brigade

2012-09-10T16:41:02Z

Chris rabbit: /* Animation or technical glitches */

{{episode
|image=Starscreams_brigade_5_letsgo.jpg
|caption=Surely, this will be his moment to shine...or not.
|series=G1toon
|ep=62
|series2=SRLFtoon
|ep2=53
|prev2=Auto-Bop
|next2=The Revenge of Bruticus
|series3=''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (cartoon)|Transformers: Generation 2]]''
|ep3=19
|prev3=Triple Takeover
|next3=The Revenge of Bruticus
|title="Starscream's Brigade"
|written by=[[Michael Charles Hill]]
|production code=700-61
|airdate=[[January 7]], 1986
|production company=[[Sunbow Productions]]
|animation studio=[[Toei]]
|continuity=[[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]
}}

'''After his latest attempt to overthrow Megatron's rule of the Decepticons, Starscream is banished from HQ, but this time, he hatches a plan...'''

:''Japanese title:'' スタースクリーム軍団 (''Starscream Gundan'', "Starscream's Brigade")
:''German'' Generation 2 ''title:'' "'''Starscreams großer Kampf'''" ("Starscreams big Fight")
:''Russian title:'' "'''Otryad Skandalista'''" (''Отряд Скандалиста'', "Starscream's Brigade")
:''Italian title, dub 1:'' '''I Combacticons''' ("The Combaticons")
:''Italian title, dub 2:'' '''La brigata di Starscream''' ("Starscream's brigade")

==Synopsis==
[[Image:Starscreamsbrigade1.jpg|left|200px|thumb|You'd think Starscream would be a little less shocked to be in this position by now.]]

In [[1943]], at the height of [[World War II]], [[human]]s waged war on one another on the island of [[Guadalcanal]] in the south Pacific. Their wrecked and useless vehicles lay there untouched through the decades, until the present time—[[1985]].

Within [[Decepticon Headquarters (G1 Earth)|Decepticon Headquarters]], [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] and [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] are having a spat over the fact Megatron favors [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. Predictably, it ends with Starscream shooting Megatron in the back and proclaiming himself the new leader. Megatron recovers after a few seconds, knocking Starscream to the ground. The rest of the Decepticons refuse to obey Starscream's order to kill Megatron, so he attempts to flee, only to be shot down by Megatron. At the Decepticon leader's order, [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] carries Starscream away and dumps him on Guadalcanal.

Humiliated and infuriated, Starscream stumbles upon the remnants of some old World War II vehicles, which inspire him to create an army of his own. He forces his way past [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] and [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]], who are guarding the [[space bridge]], and travels to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. There he breaks into a [[Decepticon Detention Center]] and liberates the [[personality component]]s of five [[Renegade Decepticon]]s. Returning to Guadalcanal, he installs them into the wrecked vehicles, which transform into the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]]. The quarrelsome warriors are not happy with their new bodies and threaten simply to beat Starscream to a pulp, until he reveals that their new bodies do not contain [[energy absorber]]s, without which they cannot refuel: "No energy, no life." In exchange for the needed equipment, the Combaticons agree to obey Starscream's orders for the moment.

[[Image:StarscreamsBrigade Vortex capture.jpg|right|200px|thumb|It was a whirlwind romance.]]

[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] and [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] are making a public appearance at the unveiling of the [[Optimus Prime memorial]] when Starscream and the Combaticons attack. The two [[Autobot]]s are badly outnumbered. The statue is soon in ruins, and pair are abducted in [[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]]'s cargo bay. The Decepticons return to Guadalcanal, where Starscream celebrates triumphantly and the Combaticons squabble over who was responsible for the victory. He tells them to settle down and informs them that until they obtain five energy absorbers, no one is getting one.

[[Image:Starscreamsbrigade2.jpg|left|200px|thumb|"We all lost weight on the Subway diet!"]]

At the Decepticon base, Shockwave informs Megatron that the Combaticons' personality components are missing. Assuming the Autobots are responsible, Megatron launches an attack on the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]. The Autobots, meanwhile, have learned of the attack on the memorial and the abduction of Jazz and Cliffjumper, and they have assumed Megatron is responsible. When the Decepticon forces attack, the Autobots are confused by Megatron's demand for the personality components, and Optimus Prime's demand to turn over Jazz and Cliffjumper causes Megatron to suspect Starscream. Before he can complete his thought, a hit from Optimus knocks him to the ground and, realising that he and his men are low on energy, he orders a retreat. The Autobots consult [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I]] again for the scoop on the personality components.

Starscream and the Combaticons attack the Decepticons while they're attempting to refuel. With the refueling incomplete, Megatron and his forces are compelled to retreat, allowing Starscream to capture Dirge and Ramjet as well. The energy absorber count is now four, and Starscream and his men retire to the [[Amalgamated Water and Power Plant]] to recharge.

[[Image:Starscreams brigade 7 SSrideshoulder.jpg|right|200px|thumb|"Aren't I supposed to have an evil ''and'' a good angel?"]]

Megatron, meanwhile, rallies his troops (except the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]], who are "busy"), and moves against Starscream and his army. In the ensuing battle, Megatron pulls out his trump card: Devastator. Unfortunately for him, Starscream pulls out ''his'' trump card when he reveals that the Combaticons can likewise combine into a single titan: [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]]! Bruticus makes short work of Devastator, laying out the combined [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]]. The massive combiner then scoops up Megatron in one hand and forces him to acknowledge Starscream as the new Decepticon leader.

The Autobots use the battle's distraction to rescue Jazz and Cliffjumper; meanwhile, the late-arriving Stunticons look over the situation and decide that Starscream is too likely to continue his rampage. Merging into Menasor, they defeat the unsuspecting Bruticus with one massive punch.

From the resultant crater, Megatron emerges; grabbing Starscream by the throat, he decrees that Starscream and his army are banished from Earth. The usurpers are hauled away by [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] and left stranded on a distant asteroid in deep space... from which Starscream swears vengeance.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] (18)
*[[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (19)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] (21)
*[[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] (22)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]] (23)
*[[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] (24)
*[[Gears (G1)|Gears]] (25)
*[[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] (27)
*[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (38)
*[[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (39)
*[[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]] (40)
*[[Grapple]] (43)
*[[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (44)

|c2=
*[[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] (2)
*[[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] (3)
*[[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]] (4)
*[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] (5)
*[[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] (6)
*[[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] (7)
*[[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] (8)
*[[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] (9)
*[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (10)
*[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (11)
*[[Brawl (G1)|Brawl]] (12)
*[[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] (13)
*[[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]] (14)
*[[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]] (15)
*[[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] (16)
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] (20)
*[[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] (26)
*[[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (28)
*[[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]] (29)
*[[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]] (30)
*[[Hook (G1)|Hook]] (31)
*[[Mixmaster (G1)|Mixmaster]] (32)
*[[Long Haul (G1)|Long Haul]] (33)
*[[Scrapper (G1)|Scrapper]] (34)
*[[Drag Strip (G1)|Drag Strip]] (35)
*[[Breakdown (G1)|Breakdown]] (36
*[[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]] (37)
*[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] (41)
*[[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] (42)
*[[Wildrider (G1)|Wildrider]] (45)
*[[Dead End (G1)|Dead End]] (46)
*[[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] (47)

|c3=
*World War II soldiers (1)
*[[Marty Minkler]] (17)
}}

==Quotes==
"NOBODY TURNS HIS BACK ON ME!"
:—'''Starscream''', as Megatron turns his back on him.

"I have with me two members of the Autobot team: Jazz and Cliffjump." 
"That's 'Cliffjumper'."
:—'''Marty Minkler''' and '''Cliffjumper'''.

"I see incompetence breeds even more incompetence. HAHAHAHAHAHA!"
:—'''Megatron''' to Starscream, after the latter fails in his attempt to destroy the Decepticon leader.

"Now, Megatron: who is the new Decepticon leader?" 
"Enough! Uhm...you are." 
"I can't hear you!" 
"You are!" 
"I am now the leader of all Decepticons!"
:—'''Megatron''' in the grip of Bruticus (literally), and '''Starscream'''.

'''Motormaster''': Megatron's in trouble. 
'''Dead End''': Who cares? 
'''Wildrider''': It looks like Starscream's defeated him. 
'''Dead End''': So? 
'''Motormaster''': So, you think Starscream's going to stop here? 
'''Dead End''': Good point. He never knows when to quit. 
'''Motormaster''': Stunticons, unite to form Menasor!
:—The Stunticons survey Starscream's victory.

"Bruticus?" 
"No, Starscream, ''not'' Bruticus. It's Megatron—your ''leader''!" 
"Megatron, don't, please!" 
"This time, it really is 'goodbye', Starscream! Astrotrain, get him and his giant ally off this planet! They are banished from Earth...forever!" 
"You'll regret that you did not destroy me, Megatron! I shall have my revenge!"
:—'''Starscream''' and '''Megatron''' after the Decepticon leader survives Starscream's latest mutiny.

==Notes==
===Animation or technical glitches===
[[Image:StarscreamsBrigade Soundwave eyes.JPG|right|200px|thumb|Maybe Megatron isn't the one Starscream should be worried about...]]
*During the first scene in Decepticon headquarters, right before and immediately after Starscream shoots Megatron in the back (about a minute and a half into the episode), Soundwave's visor is absent. He appears to have two separate, red optics instead, which, when compared to his usually emotionless expression, is actually kind of scary. In addition, his tape door has the wrong shape.
*When Megatron kicks him away, Starscream's cockpit is all yellow instead of yellow with gray stripes. Also, Megatron's ab section is uncolored (a few shots later, he has the red and blue buttons back).
*Throughout the episode, the animators can't seem to decide which way up to have Starscream's Decepticon [[insignia]] (or that he has them at all).
*At several points in the episode, such as when Starscream approaches the Space Bridge, his eye color changes from red to blue.
*Starscream is apparently slow at recognising numbers - he rounds the corner, and stands in front of Room 217 for a long time before identifying it as such.
* Starscream's vents are quite a bit higher than the door frame, but he miraculously manages to run into the room without them getting in the way.
*While Starscream tells the Combaticons he wants them to defeat Megatron, his wings are missing for a moment, then they're drawn smaller than usual. They change in size and shape throughout the episode.
*In the first shot of the Autobots, Cliffjumper is to the right of Jazz, but in the next, he's to his right. Also in this shot, Jazz has a line through his face instead of a mouth.
*As Vortex creates wind in helicopter mode, Cliffjumper is uncolored (he's gray instead of red).
*Megatron's head seems a little small when he's chatting to Shockwave over the comm. Also, he's missing his cannon.
*The first time we see (the real) Optimus Prime from the front, his fog lights are drawn too long (they extend all the way to his back!).
*When Megatron is attacking the Autobot headquarters, a black Thrust can be seen standing to his left. The camera cuts to Prime and then back to Megatron, who now has a properly decoed Thrust standing to his right.
*For one shot during the attack, Megatron's cannon is bent at the end.
*As Optimus watches the Decepticons retreat, you can see a blue blemish at the edge of their animation cell in the upper left corner.
*During the same shot, Optimus turns towards the camera and his chest grille is triangular instead of rectangular. Also, as he leaves the frame it suddenly loses all of its detail (the lines disappear, leaving a white blob).
*When Starscream jumps over the subway car, he's missing his feet!
*When Starscream says, "Don't think that it hasn't been fun," when he confronts Megatron, his wings are missing.
*There is no transformation noise for Skywarp as the Decepticons bust out of the station.
*Just before Starscream points at Dirge and Thrust, his mouth disappears for a moment.
*When Megatron rallies the Decepticons before going after Starscream, Shockwave is seen among the group, even though he had been shown to be still on Cybertron. Dirge is also seen in the group, despite the fact that he's supposed to be a prisoner of the Combaticons at that point. (Maybe it's Thrust miscolored.) Ramjet might as well have been wrongly included as well, beside Dirge even.
*As Starscream says it will not be long before Megatron launches an assault, his hands and lower arms are red instead of blue.
*When Powerglide flies over the Decepticons, his plane mode is not only white, but a different model. Or, [[Bad Boy|could it be...?]]
*As usual, Devastator's transformation sequence is all kinds of screwy. This time, Hook transforms not only into his own portion of Devastator, but also most of Long Haul's and much of Bonecrusher and Scavenger's as well. A second later, Bonecrusher and Scavenger transform into their usual Devastator components—including the parts that Hook already formed! Long Haul and Mixmaster's transformations are left out of the animation entirely.
*Just after Devastator's transformation, as he finishes saying "Ha ha ha ha harrrr!", there are two frames from the Stunticons' "demolition derby" scene from 95 seconds (about 2,821 frames) earlier in the episode.
*Devastator repeatedly switches between having separate eyes and his usual eyeband.
*Devastator's voice is missing its usual reverb.
*When Devastator's head pops out, he has two eyes. When he starts firing, he has a visor.
*When the Autobots arrive at the battle and transform, Optimus' waist is uncolored for a moment.
*Ironhide was part of the team at Autobot HQ, but he's replaced by Ratchet and Grapple at the power plant.
*As Menasor flies towards him, Starscream's face is dark gray instead of light gray, and his eyes are triangular instead of rectangular.

===Continuity errors===
* During the WWII footage at the beginning of the episode, a pilot ejects from a plane. He should be wearing goggles, but is not.
* Starscream maintains control of the Combaticons by not installing [[energy absorber]]s into them, thereby preventing them from re-energising, and a repeated point is made that they must capture five Transformers in order to take their energy absorbers for the Combaticons. Yet the Combaticons are somehow able to recharge after capturing only four Transformers.
* When Megatron shoots Starscream at the beginning of the episode, a plume of fire appears at the aft end of his cannon, and afterward, the cannon is smoking for some reason. This is the only episode where these things happen.
* Optimus shoots Megatron in the chest, and this apparently disables his fusion cannon. Again, the only time this has happened!
* Optimus Prime asks Teletraan I if he knows anything on the renegade Decepticons. Teletraan I then informs him that they were removed from storage yesterday. Which means Teletraan I knew of the theft but did not inform the Autobots about it. Odd since this is something you would want to know about.
* After the Autobots figure out what's happening with Starscream and Megatron, Optimus dramatically orders his troops to "Transform and [[roll out]]!" But it seems they forgot to figure out where they were going; they're never shown arriving anywhere! The next time we see the Autobots, Optimus and Powerglide are once again standing in front of [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I]], and Optimus orders Powerglide to search for Starscream. Who says Prime doesn't learn from his mistakes?
* This episode was aired ''after'' "[[Aerial Assault]]", which also featured the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]].
* So Astrotrain, in his space shuttle mode, can transport Starscream and the Combaticons to an asteroid in deep space, but Blast Off, a space shuttle himself, can't fly them back to Earth?

===Continuity notes===
* Earth builds a [[Optimus Prime memorial|memorial]] to [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] before he's even dead... [[The Transformers: The Movie|Ominous]].
* '''[[Triple Takeover|< <]]''' What makes Starscream the leader? Megatron said so! Well, hard to argue with that, huh? '''[[The Revenge of Bruticus|> >]]'''

===Real-world references===
*Elements of World War II are shown in the episode with the abandoned military vehicles.

===Trivia===
* According to the Generation 1 [[production bible]], this episode was titled "30 Seconds over Megatron" before broadcast. [http://transformers.winterchill.com/bible/biblepage88.html]
* The WWII element of the Combaticons' origin is a strange choice, since none of their toys are actually WWII-era vehicles. The shooting script dictates specific, historically-accurate vehicles for each one, and then it describes them as their modern, toy-based forms, but no explanation or even description is given for the transition. It ended up being animated as part of their transformation to robot mode, and it remains a unique phenomenon.
* Number of times that somebody says "Jazz and Cliffjumper": 7
* The Japanese dub of the episode (poorly) super-imposes Japanese translations of the captions during the World War II recap, which shows the Combaticons' origins.
* The Decepticon detention center sure looks like something you'd find on Earth, eh? The doors are labeled with Arabic numerals and personality components are kept in file cabinets!
* Devastator got his tail kicked. Can you tell he's no longer a new toy, folks?
* The plot of this episode is reused in a simplified form in [[The Special Teams]].

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;VHS
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1988 — The Action Adventure Collection ([[Tempo Video]]) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1989 — ''Transformers'' — Starscream's Brigade (Tempo Video) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1993 — The Biggest Ever Saturday Morning Heroes (Tempo Video) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 1999 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Volume 3: Programmed for Evil ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]])
;Laserdisc
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1995 — ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' — Megatron Set ([[TakaraTomy|Takara]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1999 — ''The Transformers'' — Decepticon Edition ([[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer LDC]]) — Japanese audio only.
;DVD
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2001 — ''The Transformers'' — DVD Box 2 (Pioneer LDC) — Japanese audio only. 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2003 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2 ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]]) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2003 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2: Vol. 8 (Rhino Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2 ([[Metrodome]]) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Collection 3: Series 2.2 ([[Madman Entertainment]]) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2006 — ''Transformers'' — The Complete Generation One Collection (Metrodome) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2006 — The Best of ''The Transformers'' (Madman Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2007 — ''Transformers'' — The Classic Episodes (Metrodome) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2007 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection (Madman Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of Italy.png|20px|Italy]] 2009 — ''Transformers'' — Volume 06: Stagione Due Parte Quarta ([[Medianetwork Communication]]) — English and Italian audio. 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2009 — ''Transformers'' — Season Two: Part Two (Metrodome) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection: Decepticon Edition (Madman Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Series: 25th Anniversary "Matrix of Leadership" Collection ([[Shout! Factory]]) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Season Two, Volume Two: 25th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory)

==External links==
*[http://cybertronchronicle.freewebspace.com/cartoon-dossier/synopses/starscream's_brigade.html Dossier at the Cybertron Chronicle]

[[Category:Generation 1 episodes]]
[[Category:Generation 2 episodes]]

Starscream's Brigade

2012-09-10T14:26:05Z

Chris rabbit: /* Animation or technical glitches */

{{episode
|image=Starscreams_brigade_5_letsgo.jpg
|caption=Surely, this will be his moment to shine...or not.
|series=G1toon
|ep=62
|series2=SRLFtoon
|ep2=53
|prev2=Auto-Bop
|next2=The Revenge of Bruticus
|series3=''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (cartoon)|Transformers: Generation 2]]''
|ep3=19
|prev3=Triple Takeover
|next3=The Revenge of Bruticus
|title="Starscream's Brigade"
|written by=[[Michael Charles Hill]]
|production code=700-61
|airdate=[[January 7]], 1986
|production company=[[Sunbow Productions]]
|animation studio=[[Toei]]
|continuity=[[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]
}}

'''After his latest attempt to overthrow Megatron's rule of the Decepticons, Starscream is banished from HQ, but this time, he hatches a plan...'''

:''Japanese title:'' スタースクリーム軍団 (''Starscream Gundan'', "Starscream's Brigade")
:''German'' Generation 2 ''title:'' "'''Starscreams großer Kampf'''" ("Starscreams big Fight")
:''Russian title:'' "'''Otryad Skandalista'''" (''Отряд Скандалиста'', "Starscream's Brigade")
:''Italian title, dub 1:'' '''I Combacticons''' ("The Combaticons")
:''Italian title, dub 2:'' '''La brigata di Starscream''' ("Starscream's brigade")

==Synopsis==
[[Image:Starscreamsbrigade1.jpg|left|200px|thumb|You'd think Starscream would be a little less shocked to be in this position by now.]]

In [[1943]], at the height of [[World War II]], [[human]]s waged war on one another on the island of [[Guadalcanal]] in the south Pacific. Their wrecked and useless vehicles lay there untouched through the decades, until the present time—[[1985]].

Within [[Decepticon Headquarters (G1 Earth)|Decepticon Headquarters]], [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] and [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] are having a spat over the fact Megatron favors [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. Predictably, it ends with Starscream shooting Megatron in the back and proclaiming himself the new leader. Megatron recovers after a few seconds, knocking Starscream to the ground. The rest of the Decepticons refuse to obey Starscream's order to kill Megatron, so he attempts to flee, only to be shot down by Megatron. At the Decepticon leader's order, [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] carries Starscream away and dumps him on Guadalcanal.

Humiliated and infuriated, Starscream stumbles upon the remnants of some old World War II vehicles, which inspire him to create an army of his own. He forces his way past [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] and [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]], who are guarding the [[space bridge]], and travels to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. There he breaks into a [[Decepticon Detention Center]] and liberates the [[personality component]]s of five [[Renegade Decepticon]]s. Returning to Guadalcanal, he installs them into the wrecked vehicles, which transform into the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]]. The quarrelsome warriors are not happy with their new bodies and threaten simply to beat Starscream to a pulp, until he reveals that their new bodies do not contain [[energy absorber]]s, without which they cannot refuel: "No energy, no life." In exchange for the needed equipment, the Combaticons agree to obey Starscream's orders for the moment.

[[Image:StarscreamsBrigade Vortex capture.jpg|right|200px|thumb|It was a whirlwind romance.]]

[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] and [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] are making a public appearance at the unveiling of the [[Optimus Prime memorial]] when Starscream and the Combaticons attack. The two [[Autobot]]s are badly outnumbered. The statue is soon in ruins, and pair are abducted in [[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]]'s cargo bay. The Decepticons return to Guadalcanal, where Starscream celebrates triumphantly and the Combaticons squabble over who was responsible for the victory. He tells them to settle down and informs them that until they obtain five energy absorbers, no one is getting one.

[[Image:Starscreamsbrigade2.jpg|left|200px|thumb|"We all lost weight on the Subway diet!"]]

At the Decepticon base, Shockwave informs Megatron that the Combaticons' personality components are missing. Assuming the Autobots are responsible, Megatron launches an attack on the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]. The Autobots, meanwhile, have learned of the attack on the memorial and the abduction of Jazz and Cliffjumper, and they have assumed Megatron is responsible. When the Decepticon forces attack, the Autobots are confused by Megatron's demand for the personality components, and Optimus Prime's demand to turn over Jazz and Cliffjumper causes Megatron to suspect Starscream. Before he can complete his thought, a hit from Optimus knocks him to the ground and, realising that he and his men are low on energy, he orders a retreat. The Autobots consult [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I]] again for the scoop on the personality components.

Starscream and the Combaticons attack the Decepticons while they're attempting to refuel. With the refueling incomplete, Megatron and his forces are compelled to retreat, allowing Starscream to capture Dirge and Ramjet as well. The energy absorber count is now four, and Starscream and his men retire to the [[Amalgamated Water and Power Plant]] to recharge.

[[Image:Starscreams brigade 7 SSrideshoulder.jpg|right|200px|thumb|"Aren't I supposed to have an evil ''and'' a good angel?"]]

Megatron, meanwhile, rallies his troops (except the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]], who are "busy"), and moves against Starscream and his army. In the ensuing battle, Megatron pulls out his trump card: Devastator. Unfortunately for him, Starscream pulls out ''his'' trump card when he reveals that the Combaticons can likewise combine into a single titan: [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]]! Bruticus makes short work of Devastator, laying out the combined [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]]. The massive combiner then scoops up Megatron in one hand and forces him to acknowledge Starscream as the new Decepticon leader.

The Autobots use the battle's distraction to rescue Jazz and Cliffjumper; meanwhile, the late-arriving Stunticons look over the situation and decide that Starscream is too likely to continue his rampage. Merging into Menasor, they defeat the unsuspecting Bruticus with one massive punch.

From the resultant crater, Megatron emerges; grabbing Starscream by the throat, he decrees that Starscream and his army are banished from Earth. The usurpers are hauled away by [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] and left stranded on a distant asteroid in deep space... from which Starscream swears vengeance.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] (18)
*[[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (19)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] (21)
*[[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] (22)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]] (23)
*[[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] (24)
*[[Gears (G1)|Gears]] (25)
*[[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] (27)
*[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (38)
*[[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (39)
*[[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]] (40)
*[[Grapple]] (43)
*[[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (44)

|c2=
*[[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] (2)
*[[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] (3)
*[[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]] (4)
*[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] (5)
*[[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] (6)
*[[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] (7)
*[[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] (8)
*[[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] (9)
*[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (10)
*[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (11)
*[[Brawl (G1)|Brawl]] (12)
*[[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] (13)
*[[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]] (14)
*[[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]] (15)
*[[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] (16)
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] (20)
*[[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] (26)
*[[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (28)
*[[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]] (29)
*[[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]] (30)
*[[Hook (G1)|Hook]] (31)
*[[Mixmaster (G1)|Mixmaster]] (32)
*[[Long Haul (G1)|Long Haul]] (33)
*[[Scrapper (G1)|Scrapper]] (34)
*[[Drag Strip (G1)|Drag Strip]] (35)
*[[Breakdown (G1)|Breakdown]] (36
*[[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]] (37)
*[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] (41)
*[[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] (42)
*[[Wildrider (G1)|Wildrider]] (45)
*[[Dead End (G1)|Dead End]] (46)
*[[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] (47)

|c3=
*World War II soldiers (1)
*[[Marty Minkler]] (17)
}}

==Quotes==
"NOBODY TURNS HIS BACK ON ME!"
:—'''Starscream''', as Megatron turns his back on him.

"I have with me two members of the Autobot team: Jazz and Cliffjump." 
"That's 'Cliffjumper'."
:—'''Marty Minkler''' and '''Cliffjumper'''.

"I see incompetence breeds even more incompetence. HAHAHAHAHAHA!"
:—'''Megatron''' to Starscream, after the latter fails in his attempt to destroy the Decepticon leader.

"Now, Megatron: who is the new Decepticon leader?" 
"Enough! Uhm...you are." 
"I can't hear you!" 
"You are!" 
"I am now the leader of all Decepticons!"
:—'''Megatron''' in the grip of Bruticus (literally), and '''Starscream'''.

'''Motormaster''': Megatron's in trouble. 
'''Dead End''': Who cares? 
'''Wildrider''': It looks like Starscream's defeated him. 
'''Dead End''': So? 
'''Motormaster''': So, you think Starscream's going to stop here? 
'''Dead End''': Good point. He never knows when to quit. 
'''Motormaster''': Stunticons, unite to form Menasor!
:—The Stunticons survey Starscream's victory.

"Bruticus?" 
"No, Starscream, ''not'' Bruticus. It's Megatron—your ''leader''!" 
"Megatron, don't, please!" 
"This time, it really is 'goodbye', Starscream! Astrotrain, get him and his giant ally off this planet! They are banished from Earth...forever!" 
"You'll regret that you did not destroy me, Megatron! I shall have my revenge!"
:—'''Starscream''' and '''Megatron''' after the Decepticon leader survives Starscream's latest mutiny.

==Notes==
===Animation or technical glitches===
[[Image:StarscreamsBrigade Soundwave eyes.JPG|right|200px|thumb|Maybe Megatron isn't the one Starscream should be worried about...]]
*During the first scene in Decepticon headquarters, right before and immediately after Starscream shoots Megatron in the back (about a minute and a half into the episode), Soundwave's visor is absent. He appears to have two separate, red optics instead, which, when compared to his usually emotionless expression, is actually kind of scary. In addition, his tape door has the wrong shape.
*When Megatron kicks him away, Starscream's cockpit is all yellow instead of yellow with gray stripes. Also, Megatron's ab section is uncolored (a few shots later, he has the red and blue buttons back).
*Throughout the episode, the animators can't seem to decide which way up to have Starscream's Decepticon [[insignia]] (or that he has them at all).
*At several points in the episode, such as when Starscream approaches the Space Bridge, his eye color changes from red to blue.
*Starscream is apparently slow at recognising numbers - he rounds the corner, and stands in front of Room 217 for a long time before identifying it as such.
* Starscream's vents are quite a bit higher than the door frame, but he miraculously manages to run into the room without them getting in the way.
*While Starscream tells the Combaticons he wants them to defeat Megatron, his wings are missing for a moment, then they're drawn smaller than usual. They change in size and shape throughout the episode.
*In the first shot of the Autobots, Cliffjumper is to the right of Jazz, but in the next, he's to his right. Also in this shot, Jazz has a line through his face instead of a mouth.
*As Vortex creates wind in helicopter mode, Cliffjumper is uncolored (he's gray instead of red).
*Megatron's head seems a little small when he's chatting to Shockwave over the comm. Also, he's missing his cannon.
*The first time we see (the real) Optimus Prime from the front, his fog lights are drawn too long (they extend all the way to his back!).
*When Megatron is attacking the Autobot headquarters, a black Thrust can be seen standing to his left. The camera cuts to Prime and then back to Megatron, who now has a properly decoed Thrust standing to his right.
*For one shot during the attack, Megatron's cannon is bent at the end.
*As Optimus watches the Decepticons retreat, you can see a blue blemish at the edge of their animation cell in the upper left corner.
*During the same shot, Optimus turns towards the camera and his chest grille is triangular instead of rectangular. Also, as he leaves the frame it suddenly loses all of its detail (the lines disappear, leaving a white blob).
*When Starscream jumps over the subway car, he's missing his feet!
*When Starscream says, "Don't think that it hasn't been fun," when he confronts Megatron, his wings are missing.
*There is no transformation noise for Skywarp as the Decepticons bust out of the station.
*Just before Starscream points at Dirge and Thrust, his mouth disappears for a moment.
*When Megatron rallies the Decepticons before going after Starscream, Shockwave is seen among the group, even though he had been shown to be still on Cybertron. Dirge is also seen in the group, despite the fact that he's supposed to be a prisoner of the Combaticons at that point. (Maybe it's Thrust miscolored.) Ramjet might as well have been wrongly included as well, beside Dirge even.
*As Starscream says it will not be long before Megatron launches an assault, his hands and lower arms are red instead of blue.
*When Powerglide flies over the Decepticons, his plane mode is not only white, but a different model. Or, [[Bad Boy|could it be...?]]
*As usual, Devastator's transformation sequence is all kinds of screwy. This time, Hook transforms not only into his own portion of Devastator, but also most of Long Haul's and much of Bonecrusher and Scavenger's as well. A second later, Bonecrusher and Scavenger transform into their usual Devastator components—including the parts that Hook already formed! Also, Scrapper formed the leg on his own, without Mixmaster forming the other leg.
*Just after Devastator's transformation, as he finishes saying "Ha ha ha ha harrrr!", there are two frames from the Stunticons' "demolition derby" scene from 95 seconds (about 2,821 frames) earlier in the episode.
*Devastator repeatedly switches between having separate eyes and his usual eyeband.
*Devastator's voice is missing its usual reverb.
*When Devastator's head pops out, he has two eyes. When he starts firing, he has a visor.
*When the Autobots arrive at the battle and transform, Optimus' waist is uncolored for a moment.
*Ironhide was part of the team at Autobot HQ, but he's replaced by Ratchet and Grapple at the power plant.
*As Menasor flies towards him, Starscream's face is dark gray instead of light gray, and his eyes are triangular instead of rectangular.

===Continuity errors===
* During the WWII footage at the beginning of the episode, a pilot ejects from a plane. He should be wearing goggles, but is not.
* Starscream maintains control of the Combaticons by not installing [[energy absorber]]s into them, thereby preventing them from re-energising, and a repeated point is made that they must capture five Transformers in order to take their energy absorbers for the Combaticons. Yet the Combaticons are somehow able to recharge after capturing only four Transformers.
* When Megatron shoots Starscream at the beginning of the episode, a plume of fire appears at the aft end of his cannon, and afterward, the cannon is smoking for some reason. This is the only episode where these things happen.
* Optimus shoots Megatron in the chest, and this apparently disables his fusion cannon. Again, the only time this has happened!
* Optimus Prime asks Teletraan I if he knows anything on the renegade Decepticons. Teletraan I then informs him that they were removed from storage yesterday. Which means Teletraan I knew of the theft but did not inform the Autobots about it. Odd since this is something you would want to know about.
* After the Autobots figure out what's happening with Starscream and Megatron, Optimus dramatically orders his troops to "Transform and [[roll out]]!" But it seems they forgot to figure out where they were going; they're never shown arriving anywhere! The next time we see the Autobots, Optimus and Powerglide are once again standing in front of [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I]], and Optimus orders Powerglide to search for Starscream. Who says Prime doesn't learn from his mistakes?
* This episode was aired ''after'' "[[Aerial Assault]]", which also featured the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]].
* So Astrotrain, in his space shuttle mode, can transport Starscream and the Combaticons to an asteroid in deep space, but Blast Off, a space shuttle himself, can't fly them back to Earth?

===Continuity notes===
* Earth builds a [[Optimus Prime memorial|memorial]] to [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] before he's even dead... [[The Transformers: The Movie|Ominous]].
* '''[[Triple Takeover|< <]]''' What makes Starscream the leader? Megatron said so! Well, hard to argue with that, huh? '''[[The Revenge of Bruticus|> >]]'''

===Real-world references===
*Elements of World War II are shown in the episode with the abandoned military vehicles.

===Trivia===
* According to the Generation 1 [[production bible]], this episode was titled "30 Seconds over Megatron" before broadcast. [http://transformers.winterchill.com/bible/biblepage88.html]
* The WWII element of the Combaticons' origin is a strange choice, since none of their toys are actually WWII-era vehicles. The shooting script dictates specific, historically-accurate vehicles for each one, and then it describes them as their modern, toy-based forms, but no explanation or even description is given for the transition. It ended up being animated as part of their transformation to robot mode, and it remains a unique phenomenon.
* Number of times that somebody says "Jazz and Cliffjumper": 7
* The Japanese dub of the episode (poorly) super-imposes Japanese translations of the captions during the World War II recap, which shows the Combaticons' origins.
* The Decepticon detention center sure looks like something you'd find on Earth, eh? The doors are labeled with Arabic numerals and personality components are kept in file cabinets!
* Devastator got his tail kicked. Can you tell he's no longer a new toy, folks?
* The plot of this episode is reused in a simplified form in [[The Special Teams]].

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;VHS
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1988 — The Action Adventure Collection ([[Tempo Video]]) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1989 — ''Transformers'' — Starscream's Brigade (Tempo Video) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1993 — The Biggest Ever Saturday Morning Heroes (Tempo Video) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 1999 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Volume 3: Programmed for Evil ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]])
;Laserdisc
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1995 — ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' — Megatron Set ([[TakaraTomy|Takara]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1999 — ''The Transformers'' — Decepticon Edition ([[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer LDC]]) — Japanese audio only.
;DVD
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2001 — ''The Transformers'' — DVD Box 2 (Pioneer LDC) — Japanese audio only. 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2003 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2 ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]]) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2003 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2: Vol. 8 (Rhino Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2 ([[Metrodome]]) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Collection 3: Series 2.2 ([[Madman Entertainment]]) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2006 — ''Transformers'' — The Complete Generation One Collection (Metrodome) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2006 — The Best of ''The Transformers'' (Madman Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2007 — ''Transformers'' — The Classic Episodes (Metrodome) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2007 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection (Madman Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of Italy.png|20px|Italy]] 2009 — ''Transformers'' — Volume 06: Stagione Due Parte Quarta ([[Medianetwork Communication]]) — English and Italian audio. 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2009 — ''Transformers'' — Season Two: Part Two (Metrodome) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection: Decepticon Edition (Madman Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Series: 25th Anniversary "Matrix of Leadership" Collection ([[Shout! Factory]]) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Season Two, Volume Two: 25th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory)

==External links==
*[http://cybertronchronicle.freewebspace.com/cartoon-dossier/synopses/starscream's_brigade.html Dossier at the Cybertron Chronicle]

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Octane

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:''Octane is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Octane boxart.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"Oh, I don't know, Megatron. Why should I give you this energon?" *Megatron cocks the fusion cannon* "Okay, here it is."]]
'''Octane''' is considered vile, even by Decepticon standards. This triple changing bully is a cheat, a liar, and a coward who thinks only of himself and can't be trusted any further than [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] can throw [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. The only reason that this inveterate thief is allowed to continue functioning is that he has an uncanny ability to locate stores of fuel for his fellow Decepticons, and is usually able to spin a fairly convincing excuse for why he was unable to assist them in their latest battle. As annoying and frustrating as he may be to work with, most of his allies will grudgingly admit that he does perform his job as a fuel transport quite well—if he could just get over his annoying habit of making them beg for every drop.

He is sometimes called '''Tankor'''.

==Fiction==
===Cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Beau Weaver]] (English), [[Kenyū Horiuchi]] (Japanese), [[Ignacio Campero]] (Latin American)

When the Decepticon forces were driven off [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Octane ended up on the barren planet of [[Chaar]]. When [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] told the Decepticons that he was going to bring back [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] to lead them, Octane was amongst the cheering crowd... although the canonicity of this is questionable, given that several dead Decepticons and Galvatron himself were also cheering in the crowd. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1}} He then joined the beating-Autobots-to-death crowd when the Decepticons discovered [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Rodimus Prime]] and [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] spying on them. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 2}} Finally, he joined the energon-munching crowd when the [[Quintesson|Quintessons]] offered them energy in exchange for exterminating a group of Autobots on [[Goo 8739B]]. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 3}}

Octane first came to the Autobots' attention while doing what he did best—thinking about himself. When [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] had been defeated by [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] and hurled into the ocean, it was Octane who first discovered that the giant Decepticon had not been destroyed, but had actually survived his untimely dunk in the water. What happened next depends on who you believe: Octane tells a tale of great heroism, where he came across the weakened and dying Trypticon and, for the glory of the [[Decepticon Empire]] and out of the good of his own heart, nursed the injured giant back to health. The rest of the world prefer to take a less charitable look at his actions, and claim that Octane merely took advantage of Trypticon to secure himself a source of high-quality energon from the [[Socialist Democratic Federated Republic of Carbombya]]. Whatever his motivation, it was not long before Octane and Trypticon were trading fuel for protection (even going so far as to assault passing cruise ships and then claiming they had been invading sovereign waters, though Trypticon did genuinely believe that they were invading ships). When that was no longer enough to keep their new landlords happy, Octane quickly came up with a scheme to use Trypticon in stealing all of the world's most important monuments and presenting them as gifts to the nation's leader. That got the attention of Rodimus Prime and the rest of the Autobots, who quickly crashed Octane's party. Worse, Galvatron caught wind of what had been happening, and was not amused with how selfishly Octane had been keeping Trypticon to himself. All the wheeling and dealing in the world failed in the face of Galvatron's rage, and Octane soon found himself ousted from the Decepticons (a fate he shared with his fellow Triple Changer, [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]]. Apparently [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] was the only one of them worth keeping). {{storylink|Thief in the Night}}

[[Image:SandstormOctane BFF.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Octane could only get along with someone who had nothing left to steal.]]
Alone and on the run, Octane soon discovered that Galvatron was less than willing to let bygones be bygones. The Decepticon leader had placed a price on Octane's head, and countless bounty hunters and assassins were closing in on him. After a close call on the planet [[Junkion (planet)|Junk]], where he narrowly avoided being blown to pieces, Octane quickly decided to seek asylum with the Autobots. It was here that he met and befriended [[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]], a fellow Triple Changer who had recently joined the Autobots after the destruction of his home planet of [[Paradron]]. After being attacked by the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]] at [[Autobot City]], the pair fled to a space station, where they were assaulted once again by a paid assassin (who was fortunately so incompetent that the two robots barely noticed he was there). Eventually settling on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Octane still found no peace, as Cyclonus and the [[Sweep]]s tracked him down yet again. Fleeing into the forgotten [[Decepticon Crypt]], Octane stumbled onto the ghost of the most famous Decepticon traitor ever known: [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]]. Quickly realising kindred spirits in each other, the two joined forces in an attempt to let Starscream possess Cyclonus and take over the Decepticons. Needless to say, their coup attempt failed rather miserably, and both traitors found themselves once again fleeing from Galvatron's wrath. {{storylink|Starscream's Ghost}}

Despite this, Octane was later back under Galvatron's command, joining him in a firefight with the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] during an attack on the [[Netherlands]]. {{storylink|The Ultimate Weapon}} Though, like Blitzwing's two cameo appearances in Fight or Flee and in this one, it is unknown if this was an animation error or not, as Galvatron banished the two Triplechangers for betrayal, and he would have forgiven them without any evidence.

====''The Headmasters'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Ryōichi Tanaka]] (Japanese)

Under the command of [[Sixshot]], Octane and his fellow Decepticon Triple Changers assaulted [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] and his troops on Earth in order to prevent them from joining a battle on Cybertron. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}} The three went on to defend Trypticon from [[Springer (G1)|Springer]], [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] and Octane's old buddy Sandstorm (there's a bromance that died out early). {{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}} They also helped the Decepticon [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] steal the energy-gathering [[Sol 1]] satellite for [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]. {{storylink|The Shadow Emperor, Scorponok}} On the planet [[Zarak (planet)|Zarak]], Octane acted as a cruel taskmaster, whipping the [[Beastformer]]s into shape as they were forced to build Scorponok's giant [[Transtector]]. {{storylink|The Dormant Volcano Mysteriously Erupts}} He witnessed Scorponok's moment of triumph as he finally revealed his MegaZarak transtector. {{storylink|Explosion on Mars!! MegaZarak Appears}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
{{noteukonly}}
[[Image:OctaneMarvel.jpg|right|103px|thumb|In the comics, Octane wanted to be like Bono.]]
Octane was one of the many Decepticons left on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] after [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]]'s departure. ''Along with several others, Octane worked for the tyrant [[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]] in the giant fortress known as [[Darkmount]]. He was regarded as one of Cybertron's [[Ten Deadliest Killers]], with soldiers like [[Macabre]] wanting to be seen as his equal, and considered a key target in [[Operation: Volcano]].'' {{storylink|Target: 2006}} ''When [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] was accidentally transported back to Cybertron and joined forces with the [[Wrecker|Wreckers]] to attack a [[Decepticon fuel store]], Octane ran away from them screaming—this is the first sign his rep may be a tad inflated. He reported on the battle to Straxus, greatly over-exaggerating his own role in the battle.'' {{storylink|Resurrection!}}

Octane was sent to Earth by [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] to investigate the loss of the [[Wash and Roll|Carwash of Doom]], but when they found the crashed ship they discovered the reason it was lost was because of [[Scraplet]]s. Infected, he failed to kill [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] {{storylink|Crater Critters}} and would end up saved by accident. {{storylink|The Cure!}}

Aside from providing valuable background appearances and occasional comic relief, Octane is also worth noting for one important thing: during a battle in the Arctic that had been set up by [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]], Octane managed to kill the Autobot known as [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]]. Of course, Mirage was up and running again shortly thereafter, so it wasn't even a GOOD killing ("deadliest killer" my ''sine function'') (and he didn't kill [[Rippersnapper (G1)|Rippersnapper]] during the previous battle either, as ''HE'' still functioned). Octane's death at the hands of Starscream in [[Buenos Aires]] later that day, however, WAS a good killing and lasted for quite some time. {{storylink|Dark Star}}

In [[2009]] of an alternate future, Octane was stationed at the [[Decepticon Powerbase]] when the last seven remaining Autobots staged a raid on it. After [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] cut the rotors of the Autobot [[Crossblades (G1)|Crossblades]], Octane and [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] blew him out of the sky. {{storylink|Rhythms of Darkness!}}

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=====Earthforce=====
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[[Image:Triple changers shockwave secrets.jpg|left|200px|thumb|]]
Octane ended up on Earth under the command of [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. {{storylink|The Bad Guy's Ball!}} He helped his boss and the other Triple Changers smack down on Megatron and steal an energon shipment from the other Decepticon leader. {{storylink|Secrets}} He also joined the raid on Autobot Earthbase, but was cut down in midair when [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] hurled his [[Energo weapon|energo-sword]] through his wing in jet mode. {{storylink|Divide and Conquer!}} Octane often stole fuel from humans and transported it for the Decepticons—and on the way, he'd have fun trashing human cars and working over the occupants. However, one car (secretly [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]], trying to end Octane's "games") led him on a merry chase to a military testing ground. These humans could ''fight back'', and Octane—worried a shot in his full fuel tanks would blow him up—called [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] and [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] to help him. They did, until they found out he'd only gotten there by goofing off on a mission, at which point they left him to suffer. (WHY did Macabre want to be like you again?) {{storylink|Manoeuvres!}}
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====''Generation 2''====
After [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]]'s [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronians]], led by the treacherous Starscream, attacked and boarded the ''[[Warworld]]'', Octane was amongst the casualties. {{storylink|Total War!}}

====''Classics''====
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Following Megatron's return in the 21st century, Octane was among the Decepticons who joined Megatron's faction. He was positioned for a strike on [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s faction before the [[Pretender]] was undone from within. {{storylink|At Fight's End}}

====''Regeneration One''====
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[[Image:Megatrons zombie army loose ends 2.jpg|thumb|200px|right|Claims that the virus was caused by rage-infected monkeys have now been dismissed as bull-]]
Octane was one of the [[Underbase Saga]] casualties that Megatron reanimated and lobotomised during his time on [[Earth]]. In [[2012]] the [[zombie]] Octane was ordered to chase down [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] and the [[Wrecker]]s but was drawn away from the main group by [[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]], [[Leadfoot (G2)|Leadfoot]] and [[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]]'s diversionary tactics. {{storylink|Loose Ends, Part 2}}
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===''Transformers in 3-D''===
[[Image:TFin3D2 Octane's head.jpg|thumb|right|150px|"Run away!! Run away!!"]]
Octane, [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] and [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] intercepted [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]] on his way to [[Andellor]] to find the [[Prism of Power]]. The trio forced Cosmos to lead them to the planet. There, they entered a cave, though Octane wasn't terribly keen on the prospect. His worries proved well founded, as a few minutes later, he was seized by tentacles and dragged into a pool. As his decapitated head flew back out, he requested that Cyclonus retrieve the rest of him. {{storylink|Transformers in 3-D issue 2}}
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===Dreamwave comics continuity===
Octane participated in Shockwave's assault on [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] shortly after Optronix arose to become [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|The War Within issue 3|The War Within #3}} When [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] sorta accidentally blew up Iacon, Octane was among the Decepticons who bailed out. {{storylink|The War Within issue 6|The War Within #6}} During the [[Dark Ages]], Octane served under Starscream's command as one of the [[Predacon (War Within)|Predacons]]. {{storylink|Fragmentation}}

When Cybertron was on the verge of peace, Octane and the rest of Starscream's Predacons on [[Moon Alpha]] in preparation for an attack, only to be pounced on by a combined Autobot/Decepticon team. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath}} Megatron retook Cybertron with his [[Air Warrior|Aerospace Extermination Squadron]], after which Octane ended up guarding the Autobots. He and [[Barrage (Insecticon)|Barrage]] were about to punish [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] when [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] bashed them both. They regained their wits after one of the drones pacified the Autobot. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.2}} When the Decepticons fractured again after the disappearance of the ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]'', he began working for [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. Octane loved tormenting the pint-sized Decepticon [[Micromaster|Micromasters]], lording over them with his size and rank. {{storylink|Destined for Nothing}} The Micromasters got their own back, sending Octane and the other [[guzzler]]s on a suicide mission. Though Octane's crew overcame the Autobots, the Autobot Micromasters turned up with the revelation that Shockwave was deactivated, and Octane called a general retreat. {{storylink|Victims of the Revolution}}

[[Image:DWColdWar Slag Octane.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Kids, never poke and mock bat-shit insane powerhouses!]]
After the [[Great Shutdown]], Octane qualified for Shockwave's re-engineering process, and joined the [[Triple Changer|Triple Changer Strike Force]]. He traveled to [[Earth]] in 2003 under Shockwave and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]' command to collect the "renegade" Autobots and Decepticons who were still fighting the Great War. {{storylink|New World Order}} They returned to Cybertron, and Octane assumed patrol duty until coming across the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], who had just crash-landed in the [[Wastelands]] after arriving from Earth. Sensing weakness, Octane mockingly challenged the woozy travelers, poking them and calling them "primitive".

[[Slag (G1)|Slag]] made an ashtray out of his skull. Even Grimlock was a little creeped out by this particular "trophy". {{storylink|Cold War (issue)|Cold War}}
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===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
Octane was among the Decepticon forces waiting for [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]'s force field around [[Teletran 3]] would go down. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 2|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II #2}} After [[Serpentor|Serpent O.R.]] took control of the Decepticons, Octane and several subgroup leaders protected him from an assault by Optimus Prime. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 5|The Art of War #5}}

===''Hearts of Steel''===
[[Image:HeartsofSteel2 Decepticons questions.jpg|left|200px|thumb|His alt-modes in this continuity are "kite" and "wheelbarrow."]]
Octane participated in the questioning of [[Tobias Muldoon]] when [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] brought the human scientist down to the Decepticon at the bottom of the [[San Francisco]] Bay. In particular, Octane wanted to know if the humans had developed flight technology, which the Decepticons could exploit. {{storylink|Hearts of Steel issue 2|Hearts of Steel #2}}
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===IDW comics continuity===
Four million years ago, Tankor was involved in the Decepticon war effort. He was part of a convoy carrying 75 tons of energon for [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. Unfortunately, they were intercepted by [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and their scout, [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]], knocked senseless before he could fire off a shot. Prime and [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] managed to capture Tankor's unit without incident by threatening to detonate the unstable energon supply they were carrying. {{storylink|The Iron Age}}

Tankor was under Deadlock's command at some point.{{storylink|Drift issue 3}}

Millions of years later, during the Decepticon siege of (parts of) [[Earth]], the [[European Union]] sent a nuclear bomb to wipe out the Transformer infestation of [[New York City]]. Unfortunately the plane they sent to carry the bomb was Tankor in disguise. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 11|All Hail Megatron #11}} Even after the Autobots arrived, Megatron ordered Tankor to proceed with the bomb drop and to rendezvous with the Decepticons later, to which he expressed his pleasure. The bomb was indeed dropped, but diverted by Thundercracker. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 12|All Hail Megatron #12}}

[[Image:NewArrivalsOldEncounters Tankor.jpg|thumb|right|200px]]
Unfortunately, Tankor never made it off Earth. After getting captured by humans at some point, he was liberated by a small group of Decepticons led by [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]]. {{storylink|New Arrivals, Old Encounters}} Their ragtag team then located [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] in the ruins of New York, and added him to the group. {{storylink|Seasons in Flight}} During an attack on [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], Swindle starting questioning why they were fighting in the first place. Tankor replied "Because they're Autobots!", but it turned out Swindle was looking for a somewhat deeper answer. The Decepticons subsequently allied themselves with [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]'s defected Autobots, working together to find a way off the planet. {{storylink|New Arrivals, Old Encounters}} Tankor was later seen assisting [[Bluestreak (G1)|Silverstreak]] in the construction of a spaceship. {{storylink|Seasons in Flight}}

Four months after Swindle's failed attempt to betray the Autobots and steal the spaceship, the other Decepticons returned to Earth, and Tankor rejoined them. He was present as an observer when Optimus Prime confronted Megatron one-on-one, and was caught in an explosion when Prime suddenly had a satellite dropped on his nemesis. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 5: Enemy Mine}}

===''Henkei! Henkei!'' pack-in comics===
[[Image:Henkei_octane.jpg|250px|thumb]]
After successfully conducting an energon theft, Octane gave his pursuers, [[Sideswipe (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comics|Sideswipe]] and [[Bluestreak (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comics|Bluestreak]], the runaround by switching back and forth between his alternate modes, making them think they were chasing two culprits instead of one. Once he got bored with the chase, Octane revealed himself, but that proved to be a bad idea, as Sideswipe was able to rocket above him and shoot him down. {{storylink|Henkei! Henkei! volume 6|Henkei! Henkei! #6}}

Octane's skills were later to put to the test by [[Cyclonus (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comics|Cyclonus]], who tasked him with stealing energon from a factory. Octane upped the stakes, promising to do the job in thirty minutes if Cyclonus would deliver a good report on him to [[Megatron (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comics|Megatron]]. Despite the interference of [[Smokescreen (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comic|Smokescreen]] and [[Red Alert (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comic|Red Alert]], Cyclonus held Octane to the conditions of the deal, and Octane had to try and shake the two Autobots off as he headed for the factory. Octane thought he had succeeded, but found his two opponents waiting for him at the factory, along with Cyclonus, who announced his time was up. Cyclonus departed to report on Octane's failure to Megatron leaving the hapless swindler to Smokescreen and Red Alert's tender mercies. {{storylink|Henkei! Henkei! volume 12|Henkei! Henkei! #12}}

Octane had the misfortune of being possessed by the ghost of a [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream from another dimension]] and being forced to attack the Autobots. He beat up on [[Ironhide (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comics|Ironhide]], before being taken down by the invisible [[Mirage (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comics|Mirage]]. As Mirage had taken out Octane's motor circuits, Starscream's ghost was forced to depart his body and search for a new host. {{storylink|Mirage's Rebirth}}

===''Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun'' comic===
Octane was part of the small group of Decepticons who traveled to Earth with [[Megatron (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Megatron]] in pursuit of the lost [[Energon Cube]]. He was never seen in action during the battles on the planet, but was shown being rounded up by the combined might of the Autobots and Earth's military forces following [[Galvatron (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Galvatron]]'s apparent death. {{storylink|To the Sea of Stars}}
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==Games==
===''The Transformers'' (PS2)===
[[Image:TF PS2 Octane.jpg|thumb|250px|]]
{{bigquote|Octane, warrior of the future. With a jet mode and tanker mode! Always loaded with fuel and evil ambition!|The Narrator|"[[The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers]]"}}
:''Voice actor:''

In an alternate future where Shockwave discovered the mysterious mineral known as [[Zel Quartz]] and went mad by its power, Octane was one of the few Decepticons who survived his destructive rampage. The triple changer was chosen to be a part of the Transformers who were to go back in time in order to find the Zel Quartz before Shockwave did.

After the Autobots had dealt with the Sharkticons, Octane drove up to them in tanker mode, transforming to robot mode when he was in front of them. Stating his need for power, Octane announced that he was going to destroy the Autobots and then take all the energy of the Karzite mine. He then rambled on about how he was going to be leader of the Decepticons once he took down Galvatron, and then told the Autobots that he was going to melt them down. Rodimus Prime warned the greedy Triple Changer that those with endless ambitions were bound to be destroyed by it, but his warnings fell of deaf audio receptors. In the end, Octane was soundly defeated and he announced his surrender. Transforming to jet plane mode, Octane flew off, announcing that he would not forget his defeat. Rodimus just called him a "thin-fueled coward". Later, Octane fought alongside Cyclonus against the Autobots in the Atalstan gem mine. Even with a fellow flier for backup, he still lost.

In the Decepticon side of the story, the shuttle that the Decepticons of the future had been using crash-landed. Octane had managed to find the main Depecticon force of the present once they had found a drill bit they suspected to be the Zel Quartz. Driving up to them in tanker mode while expressing surprise to the fact that they were still alive, Octane transformed to robot form, explaining that he thought he was done for. He expressed his relief that he managed to rendezvous with the Decepticons, stating that the bad side always did win. Galvatron told the triple changer that if Octane fought hard for him, it would be enough. Octane promised that he would and requested to join back with the Decepticons.

Despite whichever side won, Starscream eventually managed to steal the Zel Quartz and flew off into space with it. This caused the Quartz to become completely useless; and with the timeline altered, Octane and all the Decepticons from the future disappeared from the present time.{{storylink|The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1 Octane toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Ice Road Trucker.]]
*'''Octane''' (Triple Changer, 1986, 1991)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-72'''
**''Accessories:'' "Flamethrower", tail rudder/"Deflecto Shield", tanker top

:Octane is a [[Triple Changer]], with the ability to transform into two different vehicle modes. His ground vehicle mode is an extended truck cab with fuel-tanker trailer of undetermined model, with much of the detailing in this mode achieved through stickers rather than sculpting. His truck mode has rather strange proportions due to the robot arms sticking out of the sides and the generally broken-up look of the truck. He has three sets of rolling wheels: two purple sets and a set of grey wheels hidden under the middle of the truck. There is also a set of sculpted, non-rolling, unpainted wheels at the back of the truck.

:His aerial mode is based on the twin-engined Boeing 767 jet plane. Though the better of the two vehicle modes, it has some odd concessions that were made due to Octane being a Triple Changer, such as the grey set of wheels from the middle of the truck now sticking up from the top of Octane's fuselage.

:The tail fin of the jet form separates to become his "Deflecto Shield" for robot mode. The [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum metallized]] tanker top piece can also be used as a shield.<ref>[http://www.ntfa.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=2234&mode=threaded&pid=36400 "The many secrets of Octane... Now with pictures!" on NTFA forums]</ref> Care should be taken not to lose it, as it covers up some rather unsightly jet parts inside the tanker.

:Octane was reissued in Europe and Australia as part of the 1991 [[Classics (Europe)|Classics]] line.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Octane/octane.htm More information on Octane at TFU.info]''
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===Universe (2008)===
[[Image:Tankoruniverse2008toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|He sometimes uses his melee blade to make giant chomping shadow puppets in his spare time.]]
*'''Tankor''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Two blasters/"Quad laser", "melee blade"
: Part of the first wave of ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' Deluxe Class toys, "Tankor" ([[trademark]] issues<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20090121131445/http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/universe/default.cfm?page=News/Item&newsid=A795A47F-D56F-E112-48649ACADFB6ADDC Archived page of Hasbro's preview of ''Universe'' Wave 1's toys]</ref>) transforms from either a heavy cargo plane (possibly a C-130) or an [http://www.olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_hemtt_m978.php M978 Fueler] truck, into a robot. He is armed with a serrated "melee blade" weapon, which forms the top of his tanker mode and the base of his plane mode, and a pair of double-barreled blasters, which mount under his wings in plane mode and can combine in [[Targetmaster|Double Targetmaster]]-style into a "Quad Laser". For truck mode, the [[instructions]] and [[stock photography]] place the blasters facing forward in the exposed robot-mode fist holes at the rear of the vehicle, but the intended location for them seems to be the two otherwise-pointless holes on either side of the cab, facing upwards, to serve as smokestacks for the truck.

:The mold was designed for light-piped eyes (and presumably clear truck windows), but the relevant areas have been cast in opaque blue and the eyes are painted red. The Decepticon logo on his chest, unusually enough, has small triangular pupils in its eyes, although they can be applied [[Quality control|rather messily]].

:Slyly, his bio mentions that he delivers "high '''octane''' fuel" to his fellow Decepticons.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/TFUTankor/tankor.htm More information on Tankor at TFU.info]''
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===Henkei! Henkei!===
[[Image:Henkei Octone toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Beware my shiny quad-laser!]]
*'''Destron Octone''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-05'''
**''Accessories:'' Two flamethrowers, "melee blade"

:''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' Octone is a [[redeco]] of ''Universe'' Tankor, and like all ''Henkei! Henkei!'' releases, his colour scheme is designed to be more [[Show-accuracy|more accurate to his cartoon appearance]] and has [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum metallized]] parts, such as his two blasters and the back of the truck mode's tank/the base of the melee blade. Besides the vacuum metallized parts, Octone replaces some of this black plastic with both gray and blue plastic, features a lighter and more cool shade of purple paint, and has Decepticon symbols on his wings.
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==Notes==
*The Generation 1 Octane toy was originally designed to have a sliding waist—not unlike that of [[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]]—that would create a more proportional (i.e., less "chesty") robot mode. For whatever reason, this ability was blocked off very late in the design process, but can easily be reinstated with a small amount of unscrewing and plastic cutting.<ref>[http://www.ntfa.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=2234&mode=threaded&pid=36400 "The many secrets of Octane... Now with pictures!" on NTFA forums]</ref>
*Although [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] and [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] are far more popular, Octane was the main Triple Changer created by Shockwave as discussed in ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]''.
[[Image:Universe Tankor clearwindows.jpg|right|200px|thumb|I can see clearly now...]]
*Octane is depicted as having white lower arms and fists in the USA 1986 catalog and chromed in some European 1986 catalogs. This was apparently changed very late in the process, as the chromed arms are pictured on Octane's box photography. The box art pictured above also shows the chromed arms.
*Octane's role in "Starscream's Ghost" was originally intended for Blitzwing, who would have been taking refuge with the Autobots after his actions in "[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5]]". What this says about Octane's role in "Thief in the Night" is not known.
*As shown on Hasbro's website, ''Universe'' Tankor/Octane's prototype was designed to have transparent plastic windows in his tanker truck mode, but for reasons unknown the windows were opaque plastic with paint applications on both the ''Universe'' and ''Henkei! Henkei!'' final production versions of the toy.
*In May 2010, a bogus picture of a photoshopped redeco of ''Universe'' Tankor/Octane as [[Clench (G1)|Clench]] was placed in BotCon.com's directory structure to throw off would-be scoop-hounds. The trick worked as one website reported it as being the real deal... until BotCon.com updated its own site with artwork of the actual 2010 version of Clench.
*Octane's on screen plane mode is a two-engine version of the Boeing 707.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Octone''' (オクトーン ''Okutōn'')<ref>The word "octane" is usually rendered in katakana as オクタン ''okutan''. The change thus appears to have been an intentional one, although the why of it is unknown.</ref>
*''Italian:'' '''Triplex Tre''' ("Triplex Three")
*''Mandarin:'' '''Hsīn-wǎn''' (Taiwan, 辛烷, "Octane"), '''Duqi Dan''' (China, 毒气弹, "Poison Gas Bomb"）

==References==
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==External links==
*[http://ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Octane Octane's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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[[Category:Generation 1 Decepticons]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Predacons]]
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User talk:Detour

2012-09-10T14:20:32Z

Chris rabbit:

Will you please stop? You've been going in the same fucking circle for what, hours? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

==Daniel Ross at Botcon 2007==
I'll see your "Attendee", and raise you "Special Guest" with evidence straight from the official Botcon Archives themselves, lol. I confirmed this within the past hour with Mr. Ross via Facebook. Here's the Link to the archived "Special Guest" listing for Botcon 2007. [http://www.botcon.com/botcon07/guest07.cfm]

==Movie Jolt vs Movie Jolt==
Sorry if the post about Jolt not being confused with the previously released Jolt wasn't a good one... Just thought it was sort of a unique case that should be addressed, what with there being two movie Jolts, and unlike the 2007 one which didn't appear in any movies and has since been changed to a different character, also not appearing in the movies, the new Jolt is in the movie. I know that's what disambiguation is for, but I just thought it was an interesting bit of trivia that a movie character's name was already used in the movieverse, though for a different character. (not including the whole movie Arcee thing) -Cliffjumper Prime

==Megatron joke==
The monsters in MMPR always started out human-sized. Then, at some point, Rita throws her staff down from the Moon shouting "Make my monster grow!". The staff lands in the ground and energy shoots out of it, making the monster enormous. The laser effects around Megatron's cannon in that picture look a lot like the staff. Here is a YouTube clip of it: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUelB-OSneY]. Honestly, it's not a big deal to me, but the old joke doesn't really make any sense in the first place. It seems to be a premature ejaculation joke to go along with his cannon firing, but it's not like there's anybody else in the picture for the innuendo to be complete. I think the observation our anonymous editor made about the resemblance to the staff is actually pretty clever. A rare instance of somebody changing a joke for the better, IMO. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 16:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:Huzzah! I have a talk page now! Anyway, thanks for clearing it up... I didn't get the ressemblance of Bandora's staff to the laser blast effects of Megatron's cannons... At least I understood the previous joke, wasn't all that funny but it made sense without the explanation. -[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:54, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Revert Revert ==

Slaggit! This is like, the fourth time this has happened to me. I SPECIFICALLY checked with a preview when I was about to make the reversion, and it did NOT tell me any edits had been made since I'd started mine. Apologies for the confusion and annoyance, but I am definitely not doing this on purpose...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 23:39, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:No worries. I know it wasn't your fault. I'm pretty sure this happened to me at least once as well. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks. That actually makes me feel a lot better about it.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:23, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

==Treatment==
Hey, it's not uploaded anywhere anymore (but Don Murphy has no issues with us handing it around). I can send you the PDF, but I need your email. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:42, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

==Nunchakus==
His name is "Michelangelo". :) --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 14:38, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:My bad. Haven't watched TMNT since the original toon. And I was never into Renaissance art or whatever era the artist namesake was from. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

== Airazor caption ==

Hi. I was wondering what was wrong with the old caption for the Airazor photo.
:Essentially, there's nothing wrong with the toy so criticizing it like that is pointless. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:29, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
::Okay. I didn't think the caption was meant as a criticism of the toy. I thought it was meant to point out that though she was designed as a female figure, she didn't really turn out looking any more female than any other Transformer (excluding Arcee and Thunderblast). But humor is subjective, and what I find somewhat funny might not seem funny at all to someone else.
:::Airazor was designed as a male figure. The toy/character only became female on the insistence of the show writers. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 09:15, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
::::We're talking about the caption for the Transmetal figure. I thought that one was designed from the start to be female.
:::::... oh! Did not realize. Sorry. Ignore me. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 09:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

== Blurr ==

He is known to be a member, which should be enough, but he is also known to appear again later in the season, both through the footage from Dubai and the teasers released on the blog. That's why I said that I believed that it ws exception enough if he wasn't a member, it wouldn't need to be moved, but both together seem to be compelling enough.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 16:56, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:Look at your talk page, anything Dubai-related ''should not'' be discussed here in any capacity. We are not gloryhounds like Seibertron trying to be the first ones to announce every single giant spoiler of every single piece of media. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:49, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::That's great, but that's not what I am trying to say. He was announced as a character a while ago, before Dubai, and on one of the creator blogs. He's known to be in the Elite Guard, and we even know who his American voice actor is. We've even had him make his first appearance. Dubai just confirmed an episode he reappears in. That's all I'm trying to say - that we know he's in the guard, and we have confirmation from various sources of a future appearance. Hell, that we've listed his voice actor should be confirmation enough.
::And I didn't make the edit to spread spoilers - I did it to add info to a wiki, when the info is confirmed. Yes, we should not be obsessed with news, but neither should we put blinders on and wait until info is months or years old. (Hyperbole, but you get my point)[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 22:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

== Rabbicrater Edits ==

Just FYI, the edits HooperX made were capitalizing on the fact that Rabbicrater looks like his name contains the word "rabbi", when in fact it's meant to be most of the word "rabbit". The caption gag of "L'chaim" thus becomes more obvious, though I like the current one better. As for the miscellaneous trivia, I think it's an attempt at a callback to one of the final scenes from the Mel Brooks film ''History of the World, Part 1''. So not TOTAL nonsense.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:Oh, well I don't know much about Judaism so "L'chaim" is kind of flying over my head right now (and I believe even if explained, the Yaoi Kiss Players joke will still be funnier)... And the misc trivia, well History Of The World Part 1 is one of the Mel Brooks films I have not yet had the pleasure of watching... Even then, it's kind of out of place in the same paragraph as the info about the rabbit on the moon... if Hooper wants to bring it back I would suggest he add another asterisk paragraph to point it out... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::Long story short, a robot with the word "Rabbi" in his name, even if it actually has to do with "rabbit" is ripe for Judaism gags. "L'Chaim!" is a traditional exclamation of celebration. Originally, I was just gonna put the lyrics to Hava Nagila up there, but hey. The Kiss Players thing I had to stop and stare at - the two dudes humping are kind of cut out of the frame. But hey, whatever. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 15:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::FWIW, "L'chaim" is a traditional Hebrew version of "Cheers!" and literally means "To life!" I'm up for ethnic humor as much as the <s>next</s> previous guy, but I still find the KP gag funnier in this case. The thought of "Hava Negila" lyrics as a caption does make me grin, though...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

== Real Gear hairdryer ==

Good you took that out for now, I was just too exited to post a unreleased toy for the Movie line, so I did not stop to check if it was real or not. I'm currently looking for more info on it and will put that back up once I found proof.
By the way, what do the read minus numbers next to your edit mean?[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 12:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
-Edit, I fell for a joke! it was just a joke to take the piss of the US toy gun law.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 19:03, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:Number of characters (letters and spaces) added or removed from the total article length by this edit. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:45, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::....what? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:24, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

== Hi ==

I'm listening and I'm sorry [[User:Gyro-Robo|Gyro-Robo]] 22:43, 8 June 2008

== Mayhem Suppression Squad‎ ==

Hello ^^ I removed the [[:Category: Shattered Glass characters]] from the [[Mayhem Suppression Squad‎]] members because [[:Category:Mayhem Suppression Squad‎]] is already under [[:Category: Shattered Glass characters]]. Just like [[Killbison]] only under [[:Category:Breastforce]] which is contained by Combiners, Decepticons, and Victory characters. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 00:49, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

== 1989 Character Models ==
Howdy! I saw the Bumblebee & Jazz pretender models. Do you happen to have higher resolution versions of these images that you'd be willing to share with me? Do you have any more images from this era? (The Ark III needs your help!) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:04, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

== Drift ==

Fine, have it your way! This site could be something awesome for everybody, yet guys like you persist in making it a refuge for your snide insults and negativity. --[[User:Hutch|Hutch]] 03:47, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:If it helps... even some of us here think Detour takes the AHM-bashing to ridiculous extremes. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 04:23, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::Except a lot of what he yanked out was stuff not even written by me. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:25, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Some of us are OK with desnarking the overly-snarked articles. Thankfully Rosicrucian just redid the removal. :P --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 04:29, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::::No, he yanked different parts, and rewrote another. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:33, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
Man, just let it go. We're trying to make the trivia sections ''smaller'', y'know.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:00, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

No! Much, much bigger! I'm good with keeping the Poochie theme for SL: Drift's page, but we really, really gotta get a reference to Rurouni Kenshin on a Drift image somewhere down the line! I can't imagine McCarthy not having Kenshin in some corner of his mind when he was creating Drift. "Oh man, he'll be an ex-assassin, with a dark past he regrets, and he carries a special sword! AWESOME!" --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 16:20, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

==Vandalism?==
Thanks for fixing my page, I appreciate it. Apparently Mr. Anon didn't take too kindly from me having to up and leave his little "discussion". People gotta go do other things besides argue with somebody on the other side of the computer all day. So do you know how severe punishment is for vandalizing someone's User Page?---[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 22:15, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:In this case, I'm inclined to believe it was a simple accident. The guy isn't really all that wiki savvy, and may have just clicked on your sig and thought it was your talkpage. He's... well, I don't hold any illusions he's going to be a productive user here, but he's on a dynamic IP and isn't outright harmful so I'm not sure what a block would accomplish.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:17, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::True, I didn't take that into account. I tend to jump to the vandalism claim (or any claim honestly) a little too gung-ho sometimes, and this is one of those times.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 22:27, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:::S'okay. I mean, I'd be lying if I said my cursor didn't hover over the block button on him while I thought about it. Trouble is his two IPs so far don't even seem to share a common subnet, so even an IP range ban wouldn't be viable. If he becomes genuinely abusive lemme know and I'd be happy to play whack-a-mole with his IPs.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:31, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

Sorry, I'm new here. Won't happen again, trust me.--[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 20:59, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

*Z-z-zay, is it no vandalism to undo the another's additionz-z-z-z without any explanation? What's wrong with z-z-z-z-them?--[[User:He-l-en1959|Waz-z-z-zpinator59]] 01:11, 1 December 2009 (EST)
:They didn't make any sense. You should stick to adding to the synopsis/etc. because your English seems to slip right down to nonsensical when you do captions. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:47, 1 December 2009 (EST)

==Barricade ROTF DS game==
Why instand of deleting it why dont you fix all my misspelling i have the game and all barricade parts are true.--[[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]]
:So... the burden is on ''us'' to fix what you write?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:07, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:Because neither I nor anyone else on the wiki is your personal spellchecker. If you want your edits to stick, put some effort into it and that includes using proper English. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:07, 30 June 2009 (EDT)

== Ze little one ==

"The identity of ze little one is a bit on the fraught side. In the flyover shot of the barge on which the four Constructicons sit, a red bulldozer (Rampage), a concrete mixer (Mixmaster), a dump truck (Long Haul) and a yellow front-end loader are visible. The yellow front-end loader is the alternate mode of the Constructicon Scrapper, and ze little one's robot mode appears to be the same as Scrapper's. As such, the temptation to just consider this a Scrapper unit is great... except that, after the flyover shot, the yellow loader disappears, and is replaced with a yellow Volvo excavator, clearly marked with a large Decepticon insignia. For the purposes of reducing headaches, we're assuming that the excavator is the "correct" vehicle mode, and that it just happens to transform into a robot mode that resembles Scrapper...even though it's not him. "

I wasn't aware of the decision that had reached on the "Ze little one" page, so I didn't realize that this was the reasoning being used. I can agree with this, and I'm sorry the discussion got so hostile. Have a great week.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 00:30, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

== SG Ark & SG Nemesis ==

I'd just have Derik's bot fix those links along with the rest. I only fixed the others because there was about 2-3 links each instead of the 60+ for those two pages. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:32, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

==Thanks for giving me my username==

Seriously best alias ever [[User:Potty Mouth Anon|Potty Mouth Anon]] 01:55, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

== TFA: S.P.'s amnesia ==

You completely sure about that? Seemed like a kind of joke to me - Wasp going through this whole list of humiliation and Sentinel denying it while keeping a straight face.
EDIT: sorry for double posting, my browser's acting a little strange [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 13:26, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
:Except Sentinel finishes the scene by saying "Wait a minute, that was you?" He genuinely doesn't remember, only recalling it then and there. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 13:27, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::Oookay, my bad. Seems like his ego is powerful enough to erase memories of minor, non-significant beings like Wasp, Bee or Bulky... [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 13:45, 25 August 2009 (EDT)

==Deaths of Optimus Prime "fanon"==
That... wasn't fanon. It was more awkwardly phrased, but consistent with how it was portrayed in the episode. Aerialbots even say, to my recollection, that there are "others at the hanger." Elita-1 was rebuilt. Dion wasn't mentioned. What part of that is fanon, and why did that give you the right to allcaps that dude into submission for it? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:17, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
:Well it explicitly said in the anon guy's contribution way back there that "Ariel and Dion were also rebuilt" (followed by an awkward parenthesis saying Ariel at least). Plus, the episode itself is awkwardly phrased... Slingshot says "There are others back at the hangar, his girlfriend Ariel" as though he actually meant to say "there's another one back at the hangar, his girlfriend Ariel". After Orion is rebuilt as Prime, there's no concern for any "others" and they only speak of Ariel, whom Alpha Trion says he'll "send droids out for". No mention at all that he'd rebuild other casualties of the hangar massacre. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:32, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
::Another interpretation: Slingshot says "There are others back at the hangar, [for example] his girlfriend Ariel." Otherwise, he's not being correct when he says there are "otherS" there. Plural. I'm not saying that Alpha Trion rebuilt anybody other than Prime and Elita, or that we have any evidence thereof. I'm saying what the guy wrote, in that particular revision, was technically correct. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:50, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
:::The ''best'' kind of correct. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:06, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

== the Peter Cullen photo. ==

I know the person who is in that picture. I thought it would be fun depicting him being the nice guy that he is. If you want me to identify where I got the image from, I can link you right to the source. [[User:Unicron|Unicron]] 02:59, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

== editing ==

sorry about the starscream page, but did you really have to edit out '''''everything''''' I did? [[User:Masterman555|Masterman555]] 22:54, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:Well, yeah. You screwed up the formatting and the order of figures in the toy section, messed with captions and changed all the thumbnails to ungodly huge sizes. It's pretty standard procedure to undo that. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:14, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

== Robot Heroes Thrust eyes==
Thank you for correcting that, I just took an even closer look to the toy and realized I had made a mistake.[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 22:39, 12 November 2009 (EST)

== IDW ==

Oh come on, dude. We can take the piss out of IDW sometimes, but that last edit was a bit much.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:43, 12 November 2009 (EST)
:Not even my words there. But like a lot have said... Continuum is pretty much the straw that broke the camel's back. And really, their own page needs a dose of piss-taking-out too, no matter how slight. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:46, 12 November 2009 (EST)
What Rosi said. No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:52, 12 November 2009 (EST)

==British English spellings==
Please read [[Help:Style_guide#National_varieties_of_English]], it mentions guidelines to spelling that may help you. As Club material is published by a company based in Texas, I went with the American English. Keep British English spelling in the UK articles. [[Special:Contributions/68.61.240.172|68.61.240.172]] 10:06, 21 November 2009 (EST)

==Captions==
Detour, He-l-en has been contributing to the Armada episode articles in a generally positive manner. Please stop reverting her caption changes. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 05:27, 29 November 2009 (EST)
:Positive, yes, but thus far little more than minor summary changes in Armada... followed by large doses of captioning. I'll lay off since you asked me. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:01, 29 November 2009 (EST) (I can still change his captions to different ones if I come up with better ones, though, right?)
::I am trying to handle the situation in a delicate manner; He-l-en is both a new user and someone whose first language is not English, so we cannot immediately expect her to know every facet of our policy right away. Reverting a person's edits without telling them why is not a good way to grow new users. I'm just trying to be courteous. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 06:15, 29 November 2009 (EST)
:::Well, it's not like we don't always revert people who aren't doing anything but changing captions. He-l-en is at least also contributing a little bit of info, but we still generally tell people to leave the captions alone when they're new and just worry about adding actual info to the articles. (And it's not like we don't have plenty of Help guides available to read, either...) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 06:20, 29 November 2009 (EST)
::::''We'' know we change people's captions back, yes, but I am inclined to be more lenient to someone who has only been around for two days... hrm. Actually, I am inspired. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 06:57, 29 November 2009 (EST)
:::::His English seems to have landslided down to "nonsensical" once he started editing captions... Can I revert those, at least? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:59, 29 November 2009 (EST)

== Sideways Part-swapping pics ==

Detour-
I do have pics of the part-swapped Sideways, however I am not sure how to upload them to the Wiki and add them to the page. If you'd like, I can e-mail them to you if you PM Ultrawave over at TFW2005 (that is my account). Unless there is another way to upload them that I am not aware of? [[Special:Contributions/131.191.68.29|131.191.68.29]] 04:20, 7 December 2009 (EST)

Made a Photobucket and uploaded my pic to satisfy your curiousity-- [http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af279/Blitzgear/DSCN0897.jpg] =)[[Special:Contributions/131.191.68.29|131.191.68.29]] 18:44, 7 December 2009 (EST)

== Sari Edit ==
why did you edit my addition to the page? what i typed was factual. --[[User:0utrun|0utrun]] 23:16, 30 December 2009 (EST)

== Blackarachnia "hit it with a shovel" joke ==

Why do you deem it so important to take the joke out? It works, it fills an empty caption space, so why? Seriously, Why? --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 02:09, 6 January 2010 (EST)

== Lockdown's position as a bounty hunter. ==

This isn't something like revealing the gimmicks to a toy or an electronic voice, or even a street date. It's no secret that the ROTF figure is based off a "bounty hunter", you've seen the card say he's a "bounty hunter" regardless if it isn't officially released, is the addition of a category "Bounty Hunter" seriously enough to get you this unnecessarily riled up? It's not like I'm saying something like he's an Autobot sympathizer or something. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 02:20, 6 January 2010 (EST)

==Captions==
No one appointed '''you''' the master of captioning. You're acting like a goddamn jackboot, so take a time-out. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 02:59, 6 January 2010 (EST)

==My Grammar==
Well i going to tell you why i have bad grammar, i have good grammar BUT i type so freaking Fast in result i make typos, Aslo there some words that i cant spell, aslo i try to slow down but then i start to write fast again -Eagc7
: Then either slow down enough so you can write competently, or don't write at all so we don't spend so much time cleaning up your amazingly-sized mess. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:38, 29 January 2010 (EST)

== Why did you remove my edit? ==

The article discusses fanfiction, so I named two common pairings as an example. It seemed relevant. [[User:CH|CH]] 16:25, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:Because the fandom is so large, fragmented and clique-esque that there's really no way to measure what's relevant/common unless it's completely widespread, as in to the point that even average fans that don't read fanfic are familiar with the concepts used. Megatron/Starscream pairings probably predate Beast Wars itself, Starscream/Alexis was a freakin' epidemic for a time. Those are somewhat "worthy" of mention (in a squicky infamous way). Prime/Mikaela and Bumblebee/Sam, however? Although I'm not shocked they exist, I don't believe the average fans would know for certain that they do. And it isn't really quite as notable (again, Starscream/Alexis being an epidemic), no more than hypothetical pairings like Cheetor/Una or Sky-Byte/Koji.. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:37, 8 February 2010 (EST)
::''Friend of Autobots''
::''Sometimes he talks to me too''
::''My spark fills with joy'' --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:18, 8 February 2010 (EST)

== Right..... ==

[http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Beast_Machines_(cartoon)&curid=15&diff=430695&oldid=430694 What was that weird edit summary all about?] --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 07:56, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:Look at your keyboard, and look at each letter to the left of the letter I typed. :p --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:12, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::It seems we use very different keyboards. All I'm getting is gibberish. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:32, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:::It says "something's wrong with my eyes," okay? Big hairy deal. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 09:38, 27 February 2010 (EST)

== Double dash template ==
Works just 100% fine on Opera and in Firefox and in IE7, so I don't know what the hell you're talking about. The whole purpose it was created was to clear things without creating gaps above the headers. So stop changing it every time I fix the formatting, as you're driving me insane and I'm going to start reverting you every time you do it. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:48, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:Well it doesn't work on me in neither IE nor Firefox. So clearly the coding for it must be flawed somehow. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:22, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::IIRC, you're one of the folks using IE6, aren't you? That would explain that part, if so. As for Firefox, it works fine on Firefox for me, so I just don't know what you're talking about there. (I also checked IE7 and it works fine there as well...)
::But in any case, bring it up with Derik to fix any problems rather than constantly removing it, considering the whole reason the template exists to begin with is to solve an issue folks used to be griping about. About the only issue I've ever had is that there has to be no line return space between the dash template and the following header, but that's easily tweaked while editing. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:38, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:::Yeah, I'm one of the five people on Earth still using IE6. I like the button layout better, sue me. But I do have Firefox 3.5.6 and <nowiki>{{--}}</nowiki> does the same amount of jack squattage. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:04, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::::You do realize button layouts are easily changed in most browsers, yes? (And I'd think lots of broken sites with missing features would be a bigger annoyance... having to surf using IE6 at one of my jobs last year was downright painful, it's missing so many useful standards.)
::::But, like I said, never had issues with FF at all. And even if there are, again, have Derik tweak the CSS, rather than unfixing the formatting fixes. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:13, 27 February 2010 (EST)

== *sigh* "first edit ever" ==

fact is I've been editing over the years and adding useful tid bits here and there, but the wiki just can't seem to hold a proper account. so I start a new and get treated like a punk. gratitude for ya.

And yeah, the tone really isn't to my liking. Derek J Wyatt puts down Beachcomber and everyone treats it as canon that the character is not well liked. well I like him! And think the article should be more even handed.

So tell me, how am I supposed to get started here? I can't edit "the funny" as I've been told the last time I tried a permanent account, I can't help to rewrite an article, what do you want from me? When to I earn the right to call out the Beach Comber page for being offensive? --[[User:Stly92|Stly92]] 01:15, March 18, 2010 (EST)

== Jim-Bob's Diner is indeed a reference to James Roberts ==

[[Maximum Dinobots issue 2|Jim-Bob's Diner]] is, in fact, a reference to ''Last Stand of the Wreckers'' co-writer [[James Roberts]]. Nick Roche said it himself [http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=161572#161572]. (At first, '''I''' thought--and was '''very sure'''--it was a reference to '''Jim''' Salicrup and '''Bob''' Budiansky.) --[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] 19:40, 11 April 2010 (EDT)
:Well then that belongs in the Notes... not a confusing random link in the middle of the synopsis. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:06, 11 April 2010 (EDT)

== Last Dutch Issue ==

The IP Anon [[Special:Contributions/195.240.16.74|195.240.16.74]] removed the "last Dutch issue" sentence from "[[The Void! (US)|The Void!]]" because he was shifting it to "[[On the Edge of Extinction!]]" Now, this may require verification (which is why I'm not undoing your reversal yet), but at least it's not a random act of Anon vandalism.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 11:24, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah, I reverted it before he did the rest. I don't know who to ask for verification, though. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:50, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
::Looks like the anon was actually [[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] not logged in. Good enough to allow now, or do we still need a citation? Sunjumper mentions on his anon-IP talk page (linked in just above, there) where he saw mention of the last-issue status.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 13:13, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
:::If he's Dutch, sure. You're in the better position to make that call anyway. :p --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:41, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
::::Based on his recent contribution to the BW article, I'd say he his. Well and good, then.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:18, 10 May 2010 (EDT)

== Anon-made G1 Cast List ==

I'll grant I didn't do more than a rough glance over it, so I can't vouch for its accuracy, but it WAS in keeping with our formatting for other TV series' front pages. Granted, the cast's much larger and so may be too overwhelming a list for the page, but in principle, it wasn't a ''wrong'' idea. Might be worth adding a notice as to why the G1 TV series page would differ in that respect from other series'.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:29, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

== Toy Swapping ==

Look, I am sorry to keep adding tat. I just thought it was important to have in the article, because it was under the same idea. And just so you know, this whole website is full of crappy, big, poorly written sections and just want to help improve some facts not added. So you can take that comment and stick it were it belongs. I just tried to add something.

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== Toy Swapping 2 ==

I am sorry for the previous comment made by myself about the edit. I was in a really bad mood and would not tolerate anything. I will stop trying to edit or fix any articles to fix things that people deleted that I made. I do sincerly apologize. People have been quite rude to me on this website and I was starting to get stressed. Not to mention I have major anger manigment issues. I am quite sorry for my comments.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 12:37, 4 June 2010 (EDT)

== Hey. ==

Yo, be quiet bitch. {{unsigned|TheRex4441}}
:Keep it polite, please. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:39, 24 June 2010 (EDT)

== Prime VAs ==

The editor was right about Optimus & Megatron's VAs, he just didn't have the right source. (It was revealed in a recent BotCon panel.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 14:12, 26 June 2010 (EDT)

==edit war==
If this edit war does not stop in five minutes and people don't stop getting aggressive at each other, all three of you are getting a time-out. The note is pretty pointless, at best it would be only on Prime Soundwave's page. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:28, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

==Translation help==
Hey, Detour. Since you speak French, could you help me by correcting any bad translations I have for the French ''Animated'' episode titles [[User:Interrobang/Crap|here]]? Thanks! [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:24, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
:Done. Egads, epic fail on the dub team on translating Five Servos Of Doom. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:06, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
::Thanks! That was one of the titles that threw me off. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:21, 5 July 2010 (EDT)

== Cloaca joke? ==

Was there something wrong with [[Airazor (BW)|it]]? [[Special:Contributions/72.229.51.77|72.229.51.77]] 15:22, 6 July 2010 (EDT)

== Anon reverts==
When a dude changes something, and you change it back, and he changes it back with comment asking why it's changed... it might be better, if you're going to simply revert it again, to at least leave a comment of your own, explaining why? If he's explaining his actions, you owe that same courtesy back, even if he's in the wrong. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:25, 28 July 2010 (EDT)
:You're absolutely right, and I can't for the life of me remember WHY I didn't do just that. It's been hectic in my neck of the woods these past few days, I apologize. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:02, 28 July 2010 (EDT)
::Come to think of it, I think the reason might've been that I meant to leave the explanation on his talk page, but ended up being sidetracked by other things. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:03, 28 July 2010 (EDT)

== Nice caption ==

<nowiki>:</nowiki>D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:40, 15 August 2010 (EDT)
:Hah, I was just waiting for someone to add a pic of him so I could throw add that caption. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 03:41, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

== Decepticon Drone ==

I am sorry. I thought it looked simmilar, due to the Red T visor, silver and black head, but not the body.

== [[Katsuyuki Konishi]] and [[Frank Miller]] ==

My joke(s) may be weak, but
#I wasn't violating any [[Transformers Wiki:Caption|caption policies]].
#I uploaded the [[Frank Miller]] image. I deserve a caption or something.
#[[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#Links that overexplain jokes|Explaining the joke is not funny]].
#(Regarding the link I put at the Konishi caption):
:* A straight quote from Gurren Lagann isn't really very funny by itself.
:* Frank Miller isn't someone you'd think to find on TFWiki. I'd like to show people that he does belong here and how nteresting a coincidence it is, that ''both'' sources of the line contributed to TF. I imagine people reading the link would be like: "Oh yeah, there's also that. Wait, this wiki has an article on F. Miller? What has he got to do with TF? Gonna check that."
But really, I'm more upset about your changing of the caption at Frank Miller for reason number 2. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:38, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

== Why are you reverting everything? ==

Why the fuck are you reverting every single edit you see? Is that the only thing you can do? Is is your sole mission to not contribute, but revert everyone else who tries to? Sure, you could just change the singe byte of offending material, BUT NO, YOU HAVE TO REVERT THE WHOLE GODDAMN EDIT. You've been doing this for as long as I've been observing. Also, you've been up my ass about everything the whole time I've been here. Haven't you been blocked before for this kind of thing? --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 10:01, 5 October 2010 (EDT)
:Detour spends a lot of time on the wiki so he often sees poor/vandalistic edits before other editor do. Usually his reversions have been supported by the majority of editors, when he goes over the line Walky puts him in his place. My question is, why are you so sensitive? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:37, 5 October 2010 (EDT)
::If you've been up my ass too, you would see that this is the first time I've exploded over seomthing like this. I have been putting up with shit like this since I started editing here. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 10:47, 5 October 2010 (EDT)
:::I don't know, just looking over your previous edits you seemed rather upset about things on the [[Twitcher F451]], [[Derrick J. Wyatt]], [[Starscream (BWII)]] and [[Shelfwarmer]] pages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:52, 5 October 2010 (EDT)
* WHY ARE YOU REVERTING EVERUTHING???????????????--[[User:He-l-en1959|Waz-z-z-zpinator59]] 10:15, 7 November 2010 (EST)

If you don´t want people to write in the wiki, please let us know. You reverted some adds I made just because, like the vehicle model of some g1 mini-vehicles, the things on skids robot replica, saying its not the place for a small kinda review (just 3 or 4 lines) If you don't like people doing contributions, purchase this domain and make it yours!!! This is a wiki, based on everyone contributions --[[User:Galvatron77|Galvatron77]]
:"Based on everyone's contributions" doesn't mean "everyone's contributions should stick". Your addition are reviews, these should be objective overviews of the toy. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:58, 4 September 2012 (EDT)

== Dalek ==

For your information, there is incorrect information on that page, that must be changed. The Daleks were never first called "Mark 3 travel machines" that is wrong. The were first called Daleks. The machine the ride in was first a Mark 1 Travel Machines, then a Mark 2 Travel Machine, and finally a Mark 3 Travel Machine. It was Davros who called the machine they ride in Mark 3 Travel Machine, but the creatures are called Daleks, and they were first called Kaleds before being mutated into Daleks. I don't know were the hell you got that from but they are also not cyborgs. They are creatures inside tanks basically. I was correcting that. Get your facts right before delete something I did. Trust me, I know more about the Daleks then you. Thus, my user name is LORD DALEK. That is why I am constantly changing that page. [[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 15:40, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
:Except all that is irrelevant to what was said about Daleks within ''Transformers fiction'', which is what this Wiki is about. And I know plenty about Daleks. Don't assume you're some sort of lone Doctor Who fan on this wiki.--[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:42, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

Fine, I will stop editing the part that is in the comic, BUT THE INFORMATION IN THE NOTES IS WRONG!!! And I also did not say anything about being "a lone Doctor Who fan" I just was saying you undid my edit that was correcting incorrect statements. [[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 15:52, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
: That thing Detour linked to when he reverted you sure seems to think you're wrong. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:56, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
::I found two sources that go against what LordDalek is claiming. One is a general science fiction Wiki and the other is the TARDIS Index File, the Doctor Who Wiki (which we link Doctor Who-related articles to). --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:58, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
::ARGG! I have proof that what you said was wrong. Look, you right, they weren't called Daleks, nor they were Mark 3 Travel Machines. They were called merely mutants. Read this:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davros|His solution is to remove all emotions pertaining to weakness, a category in which he groups such emotions as compassion, mercy and kindness, and place the mutants in tank-like "Mark III travel machines" partly based on the design of his wheelchair. He later names these creatures Daleks, an anagram of Kaleds.][[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 16:07, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
::: Yyyyeah. You seem to be quoting the fictional history at us, while we're talking about the actual behind-the-scenes history of the characters. The comment you removed will stay. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:11, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
::::Actually, from a behind-the-scenes standpoint the name Dalek came first. But Who fiction-wise, it was established in a later serial (Genesis of the Daleks, the Daleks's origin story) that the original name of a Dalek was a Mark III Travel Machine. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_of_the_Daleks "At that moment, Davros enters the laboratory, and demonstrates his new "Mark III travel machine", which he later dubs as a "Dalek"."]. If you want the note to focus less on fiction and more on production, I can always tweak it. But it's still a factual note one way or another. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 17:25, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
Better yet, read this: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalek_variants|For the most part a Dalek is simply a Dalek.Notable exceptions usually refer to rank, such as "Emperor" and "Supreme Dalek", although in Genesis of the Daleks Davros refers to the newly created Dalek casing as a "Mark 3 Travel Machine".] For the last bloody time, Mark 3 Travel Machines refers to the CASING not the actual creature.
[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 16:14, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
::::Listen ItsWalky, when the Daleks first appeared in 1963 THEY WERE CALLED DALEKS. Davros is part of the fictional history, and the real creator of the Daleks was Terry Nation, and he called them Daleks. There. I now have fictional and behind the scenes evidence. The comment must be removed.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 16:29, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::Why would you ''ever'' want to err on the side of ''removing'' information rather than clarifying it? When is less information better?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:15, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

== This place is worse than Nazi Germany ==

SIEG HEIL, DON'T FUCK WITH THE LITTLE TRANSFORMER WIKIPEDIA. WE ONLY LIKE SOME POINTLESS ADDITIONS, NOT A LOT.

Fucking hypocrites. You included, Spanish twit.--[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 18:13, 8 November 2010 (EST)
:Please mind your language. And this kind of tantrum-throwing won't exactly have people joining your side in the argument. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:18, 8 November 2010 (EST)

== Fanmodes ==

I got the impression, per the "Fan-configurations of toys" discussion in the community portal, that we ''don't'' avoid fan modes, that brief mention of such is okay. [[User:JW|JW]] 11:58, 19 November 2010 (EST)

== Koiter brothers ==

Thanks for catching that spelling error I missed on their names! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:36, 21 November 2010 (EST)

== Grimstone ==

Grimstone's drones' Mini-Con compatibilities are '''not''' mentionned on their own page.

== Ahem ==

Why did you revert my talk page edit regarding the doctor who connection on Talk:Death's Head?
NVM I see, I screwed it up.

== Emperor of Terror Scorponok ==

What's wrong with his edits? He seems to be adding several paragraphs of information, which you delete entirely. I see one or two typos here or there, but wouldn't it be easier to fix those than just remove his large amounts of work whole-hog? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:03, 16 December 2010 (EST)
:Believe me, I've been mulling over that myself, but ultimately, it's more than just typos. A lot of his sentences just don't read right and would ultimately require full rewrites. Figured someone else starting again from scratch would be better than a Cleanup tag... But if I'm wrong in this, sorry. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:23, 16 December 2010 (EST)
:: The English doesn't really read that badly. It's simple, but better than the nothing we have now. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:29, 16 December 2010 (EST)

==New mexico vs. New Mexico==
Thanks, I totally realised the mistake soon after I made the page.
[[User:MadmanFoidart|MadmanFoidart]] 14:46, 10 January 2011 (EST)

== Reverting edits ==

May I ask why you insist on reverting my edits? Especially the one just now about TransTech Megatron's concept design matching almost-perfectly to ROTF Megatron's design, which I see far more-notable than the "Oh look, it's an H-Tank, it atuomatically links to Armada Megatron" trivia listed before it, which you have left alone.

For this particular case, it is not merely my opinion that the two resemble each other more, as a quick glance at the image displayed in the trivia section, let alone what that trivia links to off-wiki, shows a closer resemblance to ROTF than Armada, by far.
[[Special:Contributions/24.143.42.51|24.143.42.51]] 02:41, 27 January 2011 (EST)
:You're right, looks like I jumped the gun at that one. My apologies. Still, it could stand a rewriting to be a little less... dogpiley. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 03:35, 27 January 2011 (EST)

== Mindset ==

You said: ''It says the toy is a retool of Hailstorm, and Hailstorm was designed as the homage.''
If the Hailstorm/Mindset mold was designed as an homage to the original Mindset, then I don't see how the new Mindset could ''not'' be an homage to the original. Particularly since, given the way Hasbro is planning retools these days, the Hailstorm mold was ''always'' intended to be retooled into a Mindset. What is the distinction you're making? [[User:JW|JW]] 20:13, 7 February 2011 (EST)
:No ressemblance to the original character, for starters. If he was "clearly" intended as an homage, the head would surely have carried over the original character's visor at the very least, yes? And the colors, too. G2 Mindset was white, green and grey, this Autobot Mindset is blue and black. And lastly, the faction allegiance. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:22, 7 February 2011 (EST)
This is how I suspect it went down:
#Hailstorm toy was designed.
#[[Kyde]] was all, hey, dudes, that's totally Mindset.
#Hasbro decided to name its redeco "Mindset."
Somewhere in between 2 and 3, Toy Fair probably happened, when Aaron was all about how this toy was totally Mindset.
--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:20, 7 February 2011 (EST)
:Hmm, okay. Point granted. [[User:JW|JW]] 07:22, 8 February 2011 (EST)

== Motormaster ==

I think the one that said Motormaster's size change is right, because Motormaster is the same size as Optimus, while Optimus has the same size as Motormaster in car mode, both of them with their trailers, i think there's size change in there.

--[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 19:24, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:Yeah, and there's a [[Powertrain|freighter truck]] that transforms into a robot that goes up to Prime's shin. Scale doesn't mean much in Transformers, you have Porsche Jazz towering over Porsche Cliffjumper and Jeep Hound towering over Jeep Brawn and F-15s turning into robots the same size as Lamborghinis. It's a dumb thing to note. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:39, 14 March 2011 (EDT)

== Windcharger ==

"This was removed before because it's false. Don't add it back" How is it false?--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 23:09, 24 March 2011 (EDT)

==Bumblebee==
BOTH of you knock it the fuck off or you're both getting put in a corner for a while. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:45, 24 March 2011 (EDT)

== DOTM Bumblebee ==

Just to clear things up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpqamRtmGRE&feature=feedu the maker of the video says:
because this figure is smaller than any other version of bumblebee, they technically are all brand new parts. They couldn't reuse any other Bumblebee parts cause they no longer would fit.--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 15:33, 25 March 2011 (EDT)

==If you don't like Robert Stack==

You should say so when you're taking funny things he said from the Ultra Magnus page. It's not as if the image even had a caption before, could you not have left it? I ask because since you didn't give a reason, it ''looks'' like you revert all IP edits you see on principle, without checking what was actually changed. Busy schedule? [[Special:Contributions/92.13.226.232|92.13.226.232]] 19:48, 5 April 2011 (EDT)
:Detour doesn't always check properly what an anon added, but he does check. On captions, the rules are very clear though: If you have not contributed to the wiki in a meaningful way, you are NOT allowed to add or change captions UNLESS you have asked permission first on the article's talk page. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:00, 6 April 2011 (EDT)

== Inferno (BW) ==

May I just ask why did you undo the caption edit?
: Because you replaced an existing caption with a YouTube link. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:09, 7 April 2011 (EDT)
:: Are YouTubes links forbidden? I do believe I saw them in captions on this Wiki before. --[[User:SymbolsWriter|SymbolsWriter]]
::: Well, first there's the problem of ''replacing an existing caption.'' It's frowned upon. Second, a little '''[1]''' under an image isn't a caption. It's just a link. It's not pretty or witty, it's just an unmarked link. Captions should be captions. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:28, 7 April 2011 (EDT)
:::: Well, yes, I suspected (now I know for sure) that much (the "frown upon" part), and that's (partially, anyway) the reason I've never edited a caption before. But no, wait, I was pretty sure that when I checked the article after the edit there was blue text "nope.avi" in the caption that was a link to a video, not just "[1]". Or am I missing something? --[[User:SymbolsWriter|SymbolsWriter]] 14:59, 7 April 2011 (EDT)
::::Also, to further clarify things, I'll give this link: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/nopeavi You can even find the screenshot the caption of which I changed in the related pictures there. I hope that article will be clear enough explanation of my motive to change the aforementioned caption. --[[User:SymbolsWriter|SymbolsWriter]] 02:29, 13 April 2011 (EDT)

== Regarding the edits Eagc7 made ==

Apparently you haven't read the [[Megatron (Movie)]] article in awhile, because Eagc7 was just trying to help out. [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Megatron_%28Movie%29&diff=484337&oldid=481886 Xaaron made this edit] almost a year ago, most likely because nobody bothered to fill out that section since 2007. Nobody objected. Eagc7 evidently noticed this and was trying to make the other articles consistent. I think you should have questioned his motives before insta-reverting them. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:37, 12 April 2011 (EDT)

== Mech-Tech page ==

The only reason it was "Just a list copied from the DOTM page" is because he HADN'T FINISHED THE PAGE YET --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:08, 12 April 2011 (EDT)
:It shouldn't be a list, it should be a description of the gimmick, like our [[Automorph Technology]] and [[Mech Alive]] pages, that's why it's tagged, it's even explained in the tag. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:14, 12 April 2011 (EDT)

== Fusion Cannon ==

You have undone my edit of Movie Megatron's fusion cannon twice now and I am wondering why? In the 2007 movie at 1:57:13 you can clearly see Megatron shoot Jazz with his fusion cannon from his RIGHT arm. I just watched it, so I know I am correct. If you have a good reason for undoing my edits, let me know, but until then I am just going to keep changing it back. --[[User:BATTOUSAI XD|BATTOUSAI XD]] 02:43, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
:You didn't watch well enough. That's '''Jazz''' shooting Megatron, not the other way around. By contrast, Megatron's fusion cannon is clearly in his left arm, as you see Prime shoot him off balance before he fires, but he turns around, cannon clearly on his left arm, re-aims and shoots. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:05, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
Sorry but you didn't watch well enough. '''Jazz''' does fire first, then '''Megatron''' fires and Jazz goes flying. I haven't watched the battle with Optimus recently, so it may be that Megatron also has a fusion cannon in his left arm as well and can combine both to make them more powerful. --[[User:BATTOUSAI XD|BATTOUSAI XD]] 10:00, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
Maybe it's a different weapons system, but do you have any evidence to back that up? I'm assuming you have finally accepted that Megatron does shoot Jazz with his right arm and you watched the entire scene. The blast was blue like the blast from the combined fusion cannon and his fusion cannon from ROTF ,and it was very powerful, as it sent Jazz flying much in the same way as it did to Optimus in ROTF. Also, he lost his left arm at the end of the first movie, and if it were solely stored in his left arm, it would not have been present in ROTF. It's probably pretty safe to assume that "the Little One," who provided Megatron with parts did not possess a fusion cannon and the "Doctor" did not build a completely new one. IF you can come up with a better arguement than that or provide some official source material, I'll leave it alone, but if you keep using an ambiguous arguement I'll just keep editing the article.
:Do you have any evidence that it '''is''' his fusion cannon? A single blast from said cannon sent Optimus Prime, OPTIMUS PRIME, flying over a full city block into a building, while Jazz barely flew a few feet. But hey, for added evidence, [http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t285/Detour84/TF/vlcsnap-2011-04-26-01h56m39s185.png this] does not look like either [http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t285/Detour84/TF/vlcsnap-2011-04-26-01h57m49s50.png this] or [http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t285/Detour84/TF/vlcsnap-2011-04-26-01h58m11s5.png this]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:01, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
No I don't have any evidence that it is a fusion cannon, but I think there is a better argument for it being a fusion cannon than not, as I stated above. And yes Jazz did only fly a few feet, but maybe that's because the fusion cannon was not at full power because it was not combined with Megatron's left arm. As for the pictures, they don't look anything like the crab claw fusion cannon, yet that is still a fusion cannon. I'm not trying to jerk you around; this is just how I see it and a lot of this is just opinion because Hasbro or whoever hasn't officially detailed anything. Maybe we could ask someone else who edits this Wiki for their opinion on it and just go with that?
:That doesn't work, because as my screenshots show, the fusion cannon is ''entirely part of Megatron's left arm''. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:23, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
How does that explain how his fusion cannon moved from his left arm to his right arm? I don't see the problem with what I wrote, because it leaves the statement you wrote about the fusion cannon being stored in the left arm and it touches on the blast that was fired at Jazz with his right arm. It says nowhere that it '''is''' definitely a fusion cannon. All I wanted to write was that there is a possiblility that his right arm is a fusion cannon, or at least part of a whole. The scene with Jazz is up for interpretation, but I think it should be added so others who read this article can decide for themselves. As far as getting someone else's opinion, you will have to get someone to help with that. I don't know how to ask any of the main editors and I assume you probably do. Just have them comment in this section with an opinion on it.--[[User:BATTOUSAI XD|BATTOUSAI XD]] 1:39, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

==why didnt you jsut fixed it?==
instead of removing all i wrote on the movie Starscream page, why didnt you just Fixed my typos and mistakes? {{unsigned|Eagc7}}
:Because I couldn't even understand what it was you were trying to say. Your poor English goes far beyond simple spelling errors. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:46, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
::Okay, in that case, lets keep a Character Stub template (which i already did) {{unsigned|Eagc7}}

== Dude, STOP. NOW. ==

Abra cannot learn Hypnosis. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 23:19, 28 April 2011 (EDT)
: Seriously, you are now the wiki's worst vandal. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:31, 28 April 2011 (EDT)

== The Autobot Hero ==

I had thought of reverting his edit to Fire on the Mountain the same as you did, but decided against it as the internal link was a redlink. Are we planning on having an [[Andes Mountains]] page? If not, he actually did the right thing. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:13, 6 May 2011 (EDT)
:Well, [[Peru]] wasn't a redlink. Standard seems to be that locations where stuff happens in fiction deserve wiki articles. The Andes mountains do come up in both Fire in the Mountain and the Japanese PS2 Transformers game, so the location deserves a proper TFWiki article, IMO. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:17, 6 May 2011 (EDT)
::And the Kid Stuff audiobooks have the Andes partially destroyed in "Storms of Destruction". [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:48, 6 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Thanks for that! Added the link to it too. I'd love to make a page for it (being the huge Mysterious Cities of Gold nerd that I am) but since I don't have access to any of the material they show up in, there isn't much I can do. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:56, 6 May 2011 (EDT)

==Editing==
I read the "Help:Editing" page.-[[User:Dirgeor|Dirgeor]] 20:02, 19 June 2011 (EDT)

== Crowbar ==
I'm quite not sure why you removed my photo of Crowbar. Can you please tell me?
:Because it's a horrible shot that barely shows Crowbar at all, if that's even him. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:05, 25 June 2011 (EDT)
It is him, you can clearly see Crankcase in another shot. I can understand that the shot wasn't great, but it's better than an inaccurate representation of him in Cyberverse form.

== Crisscross "Error" ==

Rather than risk a revert war, I'll simply discuss the matter here first.

If the package was delivered to the garage while Arcee was away for some unknown length of time, why should she question its origin? I still say someone from MECH could have broken into the garage, delivered the package, and locked up on their way out, thus accounting for the package's presence. (Yes, it's something of an error not to explain it in-story, but I think that's at least a feasible explanation.)--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 02:05, 29 June 2011 (EDT)
: That's how I read the sequence of events. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:01, 29 June 2011 (EDT)
: You make some good points. But after even two watchings the whole thing still felt weird. When you stop and think about it, only Jack or June could've taken care of the package... If Arcee assumes June has... she'd know Arcee wasn't in the garage. So... why's she so casual about the package? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:06, 29 June 2011 (EDT)
:: My postman leaves packages in my garage all the time if I'm not there to take delivery, honestly. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:01, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

== Editing ==
Can we please discuss our debates before filing pages for deletion? I have a strong argument. Please just listen to me.
-[[User:PurpleCyclops|Caleb]]
:No. You don't. Preliminary names are just that, '''preliminary'''. We're not calling Mirage "Rush", and the same applies to Crowbar and Hatchet. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:18, 3 July 2011 (EDT)
Rush isn't the final name for Mirage. Hatchet is a typhoon fighter jet. Crowbar is a Carbon Motors E7 Police car. The trio in the film are suburbans. This is not the case of renaming them. This is the case of '''different character'''.
:No, this is the case of '''different altmodes'''. Do we consider Sideways anyone but Sideways? Because his toy sure as hell wasn't a screen-accurate Audi, and didn't even use the proper color scheme. You're being utterly ridiculous. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:38, 3 July 2011 (EDT)

I was saying that the characters were most likely different since they hadn't the right altmode or altmode size, since Hatchet would be much too big to be a suburban, if he was a jet, and Crowbar would be too small if he was a police car. Sorry bout everything though, I agree, my argument '''is''' ridiculous.

== Joke ==
By reference, I meant a reference to something. A joke. Jokes aren't meant to be useful. And this wiki is full of them. One on almost every image. Which isn't very useful, when they could have a informative caption. But that's one of my favorite things about this wiki. It's humor. Once again, I find you reverting anything I post. Can't I just add a simple joke that can appeal to some people, without attracting the attention of you?
:It's humor, yes, but it's still a wiki. Signal to noise ratio is the key here, and smashing a bad joke about train delays in the first sentence of Astrotrain's bio isn't the way to go about it. Signal to noise, the wiki must be funny but also informative. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 05:21, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

You do have a point. I agree it is still a wiki, and it's not that informative. However you kind of missed the joke. A popular quote in a T.V. show about trains from my childhood was when the person would scold the train, he would say "you've caused confusion and delay". Nothing to do with train delays.

== Spam ==

Does [[User talk:Dynamic|THIS]] count as Spam?--[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 15:39, 29 July 2011 (EDT)
:Not really. Spam is more people and/or bots trying to scam people with advertisements. Dynamic's talk page doesn't fall into that. I'm not sure what he's trying to do, either he's trying to share an easter egg with the wiki or he's trying to spark a discussion, either way it's not really spam. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:16, 29 July 2011 (EDT)
== Volume Number ==
Woops, sorry about that. After that anon troll was just going around changing tiny things on the year pages, I ended up with a bit of an itchy trigger finger. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:13, 29 July 2011 (EDT)

== Dave Fennoy Picture ==

Hi There. Could you find a picture of [[Dave Fennoy]] for his page?

== Doctor Arkeville in sound and furry ==

When the Hot Dog Bot rebels the man he is serving has the distinct rounded triangle jaw and mad scientist like hair style of G1 villain Doctor Arkeville. can you tell me anouther human character in either show has one of these characteristics yet he has both of them, it is pretty clear he is a homage to the classic decepticon allied human please stop reverting this
:Yeah, and I suppose Doc Brown is a Doctor Arkeville homage too? It's very common for old men to their hair up top, have their hair lose color and get a longer jaw. Just because one incidental character sported those features doesn't automatically mean HOMAGE. Please stop grasping at straws. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:37, 10 October 2011 (EDT)

:Doc Brown did not have a triangular rounded jaw and as for the hair several scientist in fiction have it as homage to Albert Einstein. However I am not aware of any other transformers characters that this hair style. Plus I have never seen or heard of anyone getting a longer jaw when they got older. It is not grasping at straws as much as seeing a comparison somebody made between the two and adding it here.
::No metal hat & hand = No Arkeville. --Thy2k, not logged in

== Found cosmos art from official artist! ==

I found some art of cosmy! should we replace the main page now? its from the official artist's deviantart page, sides we got most of the moving violations character photos from devianart too. for cosmos art see link http://tehkoreandude.deviantart.com/gallery/24312266#/d3lnp2f --User:Jazzerprime
:That's not official Transformers art. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 05:31, 11 October 2011 (EDT)

== Tell me ==

Do you actually look at people's edits before you revert them? --[[User:TheOnlyChoice|TheOnlyChoice]] 04:13, 16 October 2011 (EDT)
:Yes. And you only had two edits the last one a month ago, before suddenly declaring yourself the lord of what's sucky or not. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:22, 16 October 2011 (EDT)

== It's true. ==

If they hadn't fallen in because of the surge, five seconds later, it would have turned them into transmetals and the lava wouldn't have had any more effect than a hot bath. If that doesn't describe irony, nothing does. [[Special:Contributions/70.77.36.81|70.77.36.81]] 20:40, 30 October 2011 (EDT)
:I don't recall lava immunity being a Transmetal power. Just because Tarantulas survived it doesn't mean everyone else can, nor do it indicate that survival was directly due to Transmetalness. Also, noting it purely out of "irony" is like saying it's ironic Ironhide's shuttle was on an Energon run because if they weren't low on Energon they would've survived the Decepticon attack. It's silly and pointless. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:44, 30 October 2011 (EDT)

== Can you Remove ==
Can you remove "Luis Daniel Ramírez" page, since it seems this guy Arturo Castañeda is going to be Jack Darby voice in the spanish dub of Prime {{unsigned|Eagc7}}
:Sorry, I'm not a mod or an admin here so I don't have the power to do this. I'll tag it for deletion, though, if that help. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:28, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

== image tags ==

There are always stupid tags to images on a number of pages could you please stop putting these corny and rediculous tags. {{unsigned|108.66.204.65}}
:If by "tags" you mean the captions, then I recommend you familiarize yourself with [[Transformers Wiki:Caption|the wiki's policies regarding captions]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:56, 10 November 2011 (EST)

== Arcee ==
Thank you very much for restoring that caption. Much appreciated. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 03:34, 26 November 2011 (EST)

== "Double Bruticus" ==

And the reason to remove the comment was...?
: The wiki in general does not cover unofficial fancreations. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:58, 8 February 2012 (EST)

I guessing you think you have everything in Transformers prime, right?

== Steeljaw/Red Alert link ==

Huh. Didn't even see that link between the two. Thanks. Should the minor edit to [[Final Transformations]] be reverted to the Red Alert article as a whole, or keep the link to Red Alert's G2 (and only Marvel) appearance?
[[User:Pakopako|Pakopako]] 22:57, 29 February 2012 (EST)
:No, linking it to the G2 section was a good idea, since it refers to that specific event. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:09, 29 February 2012 (EST)
::Heh. Apologies about that. My connection is stuttering at the moment. [[User:Pakopako|Pakopako]] 00:36, 1 March 2012 (EST)

==Why do you delete my...?==
excuse me why do you delete my dreadwing image?
:Because it already existed on the wiki in its proper place. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:39, 13 March 2012 (EDT)

why have you deleted my leadfoot foto?[[user:Shockwave1704]]
:Because it has no reason to be in the Notes section. The Notes section is not a place to arbitrarily put whatever image tickles your fancy. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:39, 13 March 2012 (EDT)

the other user has told me to put the image there [[user:Shockwave1704]]
:Andrusi said '''maybe''' if you followed proper [[Transformers Wiki:Images|image guidelines]] that it ''might'' be able to go in the Notes section, not that you could just put it in the Notes section. And even then, as he himself admits on the Leadfoot page, he was wrong on that count. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:51, 13 March 2012 (EDT)

so i can't add this image nowhere[[user:Shockwave1704]]

are you french? --[[User:Shockwave1704|Shockwave1704]] 12:18, 14 March 2012 (EDT)
: No, he's Canadian.....--[[Special:Contributions/81.164.215.61|81.164.215.61]] 12:19, 14 March 2012 (EDT)

ah ok, because there are some sentences in the france article that could be offensive --[[User:Shockwave1704|Shockwave1704]] 12:31, 14 March 2012 (EDT)

In World War II, France surrendered in the face of foreign invasion, leaving the population to suffer under a genocidal dictatorship for four years. This is seen as a source of hilarious jokes by some other nations.
[[User:Shockwave1704]]
:I don't really see how that's offensive. If anything, it reflects poorly on the aforementionned "other nations". =p --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:50, 14 March 2012 (EDT)
::yes, but in this article French army = cowards--[[User:Shockwave1704|Shockwave1704]] 15:01, 14 March 2012 (EDT)
:::No, the article says that people from other nations like to make jokes about the French being cowards. That is not the same thing as saying that the French are cowards. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:06, 14 March 2012 (EDT)
::::i disagree with you, but if you think so...--[[User:Shockwave1704|Shockwave1704]] 15:26, 14 March 2012 (EDT)
:::::I really think this is a symptom of your level of English comprehension. To a native English speaker, the paragraph you quoted says exactly what I said it does. It is hard enough working in a language that you do not speak fluently, dealing with all of the humor on this site will make it even harder on you as many of the jokes simply won't translate. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:21, 14 March 2012 (EDT)

in my opinion humor is a symbol for every country. Italian people have got their humor, French people have got their humor, English people have got their humor. So it's possible that Italian people think your humorism is a little offensive. --[[User:Shockwave1704|Shockwave1704]] 08:57, 15 March 2012 (EDT)
:No, it's your tenuous grasp on English that's making you miss the joke. Now drop it. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:12, 15 March 2012 (EDT)

what? no, in my opinion you don't appreciate our humor because we are very different. I don't want to criticize you, but everyone can think how he wants --[[User:Shockwave1704|Shockwave1704]] 10:25, 15 March 2012 (EDT)
:I haven't seen any instances of your humor anywhere. It's just clear you don't even ''get'' the damn joke. So drop the subject. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:33, 15 March 2012 (EDT)

Bah --[[User:Shockwave1704|Shockwave1704]] 10:37, 15 March 2012 (EDT)

== Jokerberg ==

I love your Jokerberg statement when you edited [[Daran Norris]].--[[User:Ultra-Humanite|Humanite]] 22:18, 20 March 2012 (EDT)
:Thank you! --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:15, 20 March 2012 (EDT)

Thanks for fixing the help page. XD [[User:Jacktransformerdude|Jacktransformerdude]] 00:47, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

== "Useless padding" ==

I sort of chuckled when I saw this line from you, good on you for having a sense of humour about it. :)
I couldn't help but notice, friend, that about a third of the information on this entire Wiki is "useless padding", meaningless trivia put there for no reason other than to impart interesting information to the reader. And of the remaining information, about a third of ''that'' is flat-out jokes inserted simply to make people laugh. Looking over the rest of that one page, off the top of my head, Toronto being the biggest city in Canada has absolutely nothing to do with Transformers, and the relationship between 'there are no Target stores in Canada' and Transformers is so tangential that it's just about on the same level. So I ask you, why did you ''really'' remove that information from the page? Really, if I don't know, I won't be able to avoid the mistake in the future. [[User:Deusoma|Deusoma]] 22:19, 7 May 2012 (EDT)

== Periods and Spaces ==

Oh, it's no trouble, friend. I just copy the text of the page from the edit window into notepad and then find-and-replace ". " with ". " to fix it up. Then I just copy it back over and go on with my regular correction of spelling errors and grammar checking. It's easy, and it's my pleasure to improve the quality of the Wiki. :-)
Also, some interesting reading for you to back up my position: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2011/01/space_invaders.html [[User:Deusoma|Deusoma]] 23:43, 9 May 2012 (EDT)
:You're missing the point. It DOESN'T improve the quality of the wiki because it ISN'T WRONG. The link you provided is to an OPINION PIECE. It is the policy of this wiki that we don't care whether you use one space or two after a period and that there is no need to change one for the other. It's kind of like how we do not have a preference between US and UK spellings. Also, "friend", you are coming off rather smarmy and condescending here. That is not likely to get many people to back your position.--

== Subscription service figures ==

I had put those on the 2012 listing because that is what the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] page said. Should we change that page? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:02, 10 May 2012 (EDT)

== Faceless tags ==
I'm not the one removing them. [[Special:Contributions/TFMAN|TFMAN]] is. I just remove what he puts there in place of them. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]] 22:40, 18 May 2012 (EDT)
:Use the Undo button, that way you undo all the things he's changed, rather than just removing what he's added without putting back what he's removed. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:41, 18 May 2012 (EDT)
::Alright, will do. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]] 22:43, 18 May 2012 (EDT)

== Vocab ==

I have a pretty good vocabulary. Plus the captions were for a lot stuff I remember growing up as a kid. Good Times Huh? The Picture for [[Tim Curry]]'s page was just Wow. I have never seen that movie before.[[User:SirSpoonwave|SirSpoonwave]] 02:16, 24 May 2012 (EDT)

== Allspark Addendum ==

Thanks for help on the SG Animated pages. I'm used to making minor edits, and I don't have much experience on templates besides the bunny rabbit page. ([[Special:Contributions/184.56.31.203|184.56.31.203]] 19:01, 31 May 2012 (EDT))

==IDW==
If i'm doing such a bad job, why don't you do those articles then? I've been at it forever, trying to edit that thing. Ed
: It would help if your additions were about the characters the article is about. Most of your "How Ratchet Got His Hands Back" additions to First Aid's page were about Ratchet! And it didn't mention at all that First Aid was promoted to Chief Medical Officer, which is the most important thing that happened to First Aid in that issue. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:06, 4 June 2012 (EDT)

== Animated toy/merchandise section ==

I added "Fast food kids meal toys" subsections to [[Megatron (Animated)]] and [[Starscream (Animated)]] pages. With that, the pages got the same "Toys" layout of [[Optimus Prime (Animated)/toys|Optimus Prime (Animated)]] and [[Bumblebee (Animated)]], with an Subsection for each "toyline". If the subsection is wrong, it need to be removed from OP and BB pages. If the subsection is OK, why you removed they from Megatron and Starscream page?

And why you put the toys as available "only in Mexico and Venezuela"? I am in Brazil and have to eat some McDonalds Happy Meal to have my toys. Probably the toy was available in all Latin America (but this is a guess, for sure it was available in Brazil).
:The subsections are present on Bumblebee and Prime's pages because they have a '''huge''' amount of toys and merchandise to their name, which requires extra subsections. By contrast, Megatron and Starscream's numbers are more manageable, hence why the fast food premiums aren't categorized the same way. You'll notice Megs and Screams don't have subsections for Activators, Deluxe, Voyager, etc. either.
:As for why I only said Mexico and Venezuela, that's because that's all that's listed on the [[List of Transformers restaurant promotions]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:39, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
::Makes sense, but Starscream have the "Universe (2008)" subsection. Don't know why the "Fast food" subsection hurts, but will not re-add it, I was only trying to make the toy sections of each character more or less with the same layout/design. Before I waste my time, I have a lot of Merchandise itens to add for Megatron and Starscream (more for Megatron than for Starscream), it's OK to create an Merchandise section? I'll edit the [[List of Transformers restaurant promotions]] to be more accurate and include Brazil there. --[[User:Sharpfinger|Sharpfinger]] 20:48, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

==Shattered Expectations reference in Triage==
It's a rather obvious nod to it. If that's not considered a reference than you might as well not consider the "Beast Machines" line in TMI as a reference. {{unsigned|108.11.36.231}}
:Shattering expectations is a commonly used term, hence why it was fan-applied to Shattered Expectations proper. It's not a reference. Stop saying it is. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:34, 10 June 2012 (EDT)
::If by "fan-applied" you man "the writers of the comic actually named it that", sure. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:49, 10 June 2012 (EDT)
::But it's almost completely out of place. That's like removing the thing about Hardshell saying "yes" in Toxicity by that logic.
:::It's not out of place, he just shattered Soundwave's visor, and that's the joke. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:09, 10 June 2012 (EDT)

== how to act towards others ==

I think for someone who acts like they own the wiki you should think about how you talk to poeple. As a member of the wiki you should show a little respect towards your fellow members start deleing peoples posts with out saying why and then starting personal attacks is a big no you make yourself look bad and the wiki.[[User:Phantom|Phantom]] 13:45, 22 June 2012 (EDT)
:I started no personal attacks. You, on the other hand, called me an a-hole. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:55, 22 June 2012 (EDT)
I think he's just suggesting stuff, right? (lobythelegend 13:49, 22 June 2012 (EDT))

:I know you're angry, but why is that it seems that you're always in a bad mood to everyone who messes up in the Wiki? lobythelegend 13:46, 2 July 2012 (EDT)

== Accents ==

Ah, I had forgotten that. May I suggest this, then:
:The ''[[Transformers (2007)|Transformers]]'' film in 2007 takes the alternate tac that Optimus Prime and his troops learned Earth languages — including English ''and'' Mandarin Chinese, according to the novelization — by studying the [[Internet]]; presumably, each Autobot chose the accent that best fit their natural voice. In contrast, the Decepticons generally use the Cybertronian language. This distinction is lost in the sequels, in which all Autobots and Decepticons speak English even when, canonically, they have had no prior contact with the language.
'cause we really need to get rid of the paragraph that is there now.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 15:01, 29 August 2012 (EDT)

What do you have against what I posted about Octane's cameo in 'The Ultimate Weapon'?

Octane

2012-09-09T18:36:11Z

Chris rabbit: /* The Transformers cartoon */

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{{disambig3|Tankor}}
{{picsneeded|Appearances in fiction}}

:''Octane is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Octane boxart.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"Oh, I don't know, Megatron. Why should I give you this energon?" *Megatron cocks the fusion cannon* "Okay, here it is."]]
'''Octane''' is considered vile, even by Decepticon standards. This triple changing bully is a cheat, a liar, and a coward who thinks only of himself and can't be trusted any further than [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] can throw [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. The only reason that this inveterate thief is allowed to continue functioning is that he has an uncanny ability to locate stores of fuel for his fellow Decepticons, and is usually able to spin a fairly convincing excuse for why he was unable to assist them in their latest battle. As annoying and frustrating as he may be to work with, most of his allies will grudgingly admit that he does perform his job as a fuel transport quite well—if he could just get over his annoying habit of making them beg for every drop.

He is sometimes called '''Tankor'''.

==Fiction==
===Cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Beau Weaver]] (English), [[Kenyū Horiuchi]] (Japanese), [[Ignacio Campero]] (Latin American)

When the Decepticon forces were driven off [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Octane ended up on the barren planet of [[Chaar]]. When [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] told the Decepticons that he was going to bring back [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] to lead them, Octane was amongst the cheering crowd... although the canonicity of this is questionable, given that several dead Decepticons and Galvatron himself were also cheering in the crowd. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1}} He then joined the beating-Autobots-to-death crowd when the Decepticons discovered [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Rodimus Prime]] and [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] spying on them. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 2}} Finally, he joined the energon-munching crowd when the [[Quintesson|Quintessons]] offered them energy in exchange for exterminating a group of Autobots on [[Goo 8739B]]. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 3}}

Octane first came to the Autobots' attention while doing what he did best—thinking about himself. When [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] had been defeated by [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] and hurled into the ocean, it was Octane who first discovered that the giant Decepticon had not been destroyed, but had actually survived his untimely dunk in the water. What happened next depends on who you believe: Octane tells a tale of great heroism, where he came across the weakened and dying Trypticon and, for the glory of the [[Decepticon Empire]] and out of the good of his own heart, nursed the injured giant back to health. The rest of the world prefer to take a less charitable look at his actions, and claim that Octane merely took advantage of Trypticon to secure himself a source of high-quality energon from the [[Socialist Democratic Federated Republic of Carbombya]]. Whatever his motivation, it was not long before Octane and Trypticon were trading fuel for protection (even going so far as to assault passing cruise ships and then claiming they had been invading sovereign waters, though Trypticon did genuinely believe that they were invading ships). When that was no longer enough to keep their new landlords happy, Octane quickly came up with a scheme to use Trypticon in stealing all of the world's most important monuments and presenting them as gifts to the nation's leader. That got the attention of Rodimus Prime and the rest of the Autobots, who quickly crashed Octane's party. Worse, Galvatron caught wind of what had been happening, and was not amused with how selfishly Octane had been keeping Trypticon to himself. All the wheeling and dealing in the world failed in the face of Galvatron's rage, and Octane soon found himself ousted from the Decepticons (a fate he shared with his fellow Triple Changer, [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]]. Apparently [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] was the only one of them worth keeping). {{storylink|Thief in the Night}}

[[Image:SandstormOctane BFF.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Octane could only get along with someone who had nothing left to steal.]]
Alone and on the run, Octane soon discovered that Galvatron was less than willing to let bygones be bygones. The Decepticon leader had placed a price on Octane's head, and countless bounty hunters and assassins were closing in on him. After a close call on the planet [[Junkion (planet)|Junk]], where he narrowly avoided being blown to pieces, Octane quickly decided to seek asylum with the Autobots. It was here that he met and befriended [[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]], a fellow Triple Changer who had recently joined the Autobots after the destruction of his home planet of [[Paradron]]. After being attacked by the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]] at [[Autobot City]], the pair fled to a space station, where they were assaulted once again by a paid assassin (who was fortunately so incompetent that the two robots barely noticed he was there). Eventually settling on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Octane still found no peace, as Cyclonus and the [[Sweep]]s tracked him down yet again. Fleeing into the forgotten [[Decepticon Crypt]], Octane stumbled onto the ghost of the most famous Decepticon traitor ever known: [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]]. Quickly realising kindred spirits in each other, the two joined forces in an attempt to let Starscream possess Cyclonus and take over the Decepticons. Needless to say, their coup attempt failed rather miserably, and both traitors found themselves once again fleeing from Galvatron's wrath. {{storylink|Starscream's Ghost}}

Despite this, Octane was later back under Galvatron's command, joining him in a firefight with the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] during an attack on the [[Netherlands]]. {{storylink|The Ultimate Weapon}} Though, like Blitzwing's two cameo appearances in {{storylink|Fight or Flee}} and in this one, it is unknown if this was an animation error or not, as Galvatron banished the two Triplechangers for betrayal, and he would have forgiven them without any evidence.

====''The Headmasters'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Ryōichi Tanaka]] (Japanese)

Under the command of [[Sixshot]], Octane and his fellow Decepticon Triple Changers assaulted [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] and his troops on Earth in order to prevent them from joining a battle on Cybertron. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}} The three went on to defend Trypticon from [[Springer (G1)|Springer]], [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] and Octane's old buddy Sandstorm (there's a bromance that died out early). {{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}} They also helped the Decepticon [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] steal the energy-gathering [[Sol 1]] satellite for [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]. {{storylink|The Shadow Emperor, Scorponok}} On the planet [[Zarak (planet)|Zarak]], Octane acted as a cruel taskmaster, whipping the [[Beastformer]]s into shape as they were forced to build Scorponok's giant [[Transtector]]. {{storylink|The Dormant Volcano Mysteriously Erupts}} He witnessed Scorponok's moment of triumph as he finally revealed his MegaZarak transtector. {{storylink|Explosion on Mars!! MegaZarak Appears}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
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[[Image:OctaneMarvel.jpg|right|103px|thumb|In the comics, Octane wanted to be like Bono.]]
Octane was one of the many Decepticons left on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] after [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]]'s departure. ''Along with several others, Octane worked for the tyrant [[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]] in the giant fortress known as [[Darkmount]]. He was regarded as one of Cybertron's [[Ten Deadliest Killers]], with soldiers like [[Macabre]] wanting to be seen as his equal, and considered a key target in [[Operation: Volcano]].'' {{storylink|Target: 2006}} ''When [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] was accidentally transported back to Cybertron and joined forces with the [[Wrecker|Wreckers]] to attack a [[Decepticon fuel store]], Octane ran away from them screaming—this is the first sign his rep may be a tad inflated. He reported on the battle to Straxus, greatly over-exaggerating his own role in the battle.'' {{storylink|Resurrection!}}

Octane was sent to Earth by [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] to investigate the loss of the [[Wash and Roll|Carwash of Doom]], but when they found the crashed ship they discovered the reason it was lost was because of [[Scraplet]]s. Infected, he failed to kill [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] {{storylink|Crater Critters}} and would end up saved by accident. {{storylink|The Cure!}}

Aside from providing valuable background appearances and occasional comic relief, Octane is also worth noting for one important thing: during a battle in the Arctic that had been set up by [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]], Octane managed to kill the Autobot known as [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]]. Of course, Mirage was up and running again shortly thereafter, so it wasn't even a GOOD killing ("deadliest killer" my ''sine function'') (and he didn't kill [[Rippersnapper (G1)|Rippersnapper]] during the previous battle either, as ''HE'' still functioned). Octane's death at the hands of Starscream in [[Buenos Aires]] later that day, however, WAS a good killing and lasted for quite some time. {{storylink|Dark Star}}

In [[2009]] of an alternate future, Octane was stationed at the [[Decepticon Powerbase]] when the last seven remaining Autobots staged a raid on it. After [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] cut the rotors of the Autobot [[Crossblades (G1)|Crossblades]], Octane and [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] blew him out of the sky. {{storylink|Rhythms of Darkness!}}

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=====Earthforce=====
{{earthforcefiction}}
[[Image:Triple changers shockwave secrets.jpg|left|200px|thumb|]]
Octane ended up on Earth under the command of [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. {{storylink|The Bad Guy's Ball!}} He helped his boss and the other Triple Changers smack down on Megatron and steal an energon shipment from the other Decepticon leader. {{storylink|Secrets}} He also joined the raid on Autobot Earthbase, but was cut down in midair when [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] hurled his [[Energo weapon|energo-sword]] through his wing in jet mode. {{storylink|Divide and Conquer!}} Octane often stole fuel from humans and transported it for the Decepticons—and on the way, he'd have fun trashing human cars and working over the occupants. However, one car (secretly [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]], trying to end Octane's "games") led him on a merry chase to a military testing ground. These humans could ''fight back'', and Octane—worried a shot in his full fuel tanks would blow him up—called [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] and [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] to help him. They did, until they found out he'd only gotten there by goofing off on a mission, at which point they left him to suffer. (WHY did Macabre want to be like you again?) {{storylink|Manoeuvres!}}
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====''Generation 2''====
After [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]]'s [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronians]], led by the treacherous Starscream, attacked and boarded the ''[[Warworld]]'', Octane was amongst the casualties. {{storylink|Total War!}}

====''Classics''====
{{noteclassics}}
Following Megatron's return in the 21st century, Octane was among the Decepticons who joined Megatron's faction. He was positioned for a strike on [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s faction before the [[Pretender]] was undone from within. {{storylink|At Fight's End}}

====''Regeneration One''====
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[[Image:Megatrons zombie army loose ends 2.jpg|thumb|200px|right|Claims that the virus was caused by rage-infected monkeys have now been dismissed as bull-]]
Octane was one of the [[Underbase Saga]] casualties that Megatron reanimated and lobotomised during his time on [[Earth]]. In [[2012]] the [[zombie]] Octane was ordered to chase down [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] and the [[Wrecker]]s but was drawn away from the main group by [[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]], [[Leadfoot (G2)|Leadfoot]] and [[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]]'s diversionary tactics. {{storylink|Loose Ends, Part 2}}
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===''Transformers in 3-D''===
[[Image:TFin3D2 Octane's head.jpg|thumb|right|150px|"Run away!! Run away!!"]]
Octane, [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] and [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] intercepted [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]] on his way to [[Andellor]] to find the [[Prism of Power]]. The trio forced Cosmos to lead them to the planet. There, they entered a cave, though Octane wasn't terribly keen on the prospect. His worries proved well founded, as a few minutes later, he was seized by tentacles and dragged into a pool. As his decapitated head flew back out, he requested that Cyclonus retrieve the rest of him. {{storylink|Transformers in 3-D issue 2}}
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===Dreamwave comics continuity===
Octane participated in Shockwave's assault on [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] shortly after Optronix arose to become [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|The War Within issue 3|The War Within #3}} When [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] sorta accidentally blew up Iacon, Octane was among the Decepticons who bailed out. {{storylink|The War Within issue 6|The War Within #6}} During the [[Dark Ages]], Octane served under Starscream's command as one of the [[Predacon (War Within)|Predacons]]. {{storylink|Fragmentation}}

When Cybertron was on the verge of peace, Octane and the rest of Starscream's Predacons on [[Moon Alpha]] in preparation for an attack, only to be pounced on by a combined Autobot/Decepticon team. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath}} Megatron retook Cybertron with his [[Air Warrior|Aerospace Extermination Squadron]], after which Octane ended up guarding the Autobots. He and [[Barrage (Insecticon)|Barrage]] were about to punish [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] when [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] bashed them both. They regained their wits after one of the drones pacified the Autobot. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.2}} When the Decepticons fractured again after the disappearance of the ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]'', he began working for [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. Octane loved tormenting the pint-sized Decepticon [[Micromaster|Micromasters]], lording over them with his size and rank. {{storylink|Destined for Nothing}} The Micromasters got their own back, sending Octane and the other [[guzzler]]s on a suicide mission. Though Octane's crew overcame the Autobots, the Autobot Micromasters turned up with the revelation that Shockwave was deactivated, and Octane called a general retreat. {{storylink|Victims of the Revolution}}

[[Image:DWColdWar Slag Octane.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Kids, never poke and mock bat-shit insane powerhouses!]]
After the [[Great Shutdown]], Octane qualified for Shockwave's re-engineering process, and joined the [[Triple Changer|Triple Changer Strike Force]]. He traveled to [[Earth]] in 2003 under Shockwave and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]' command to collect the "renegade" Autobots and Decepticons who were still fighting the Great War. {{storylink|New World Order}} They returned to Cybertron, and Octane assumed patrol duty until coming across the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], who had just crash-landed in the [[Wastelands]] after arriving from Earth. Sensing weakness, Octane mockingly challenged the woozy travelers, poking them and calling them "primitive".

[[Slag (G1)|Slag]] made an ashtray out of his skull. Even Grimlock was a little creeped out by this particular "trophy". {{storylink|Cold War (issue)|Cold War}}
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===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
Octane was among the Decepticon forces waiting for [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]'s force field around [[Teletran 3]] would go down. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 2|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II #2}} After [[Serpentor|Serpent O.R.]] took control of the Decepticons, Octane and several subgroup leaders protected him from an assault by Optimus Prime. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 5|The Art of War #5}}

===''Hearts of Steel''===
[[Image:HeartsofSteel2 Decepticons questions.jpg|left|200px|thumb|His alt-modes in this continuity are "kite" and "wheelbarrow."]]
Octane participated in the questioning of [[Tobias Muldoon]] when [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] brought the human scientist down to the Decepticon at the bottom of the [[San Francisco]] Bay. In particular, Octane wanted to know if the humans had developed flight technology, which the Decepticons could exploit. {{storylink|Hearts of Steel issue 2|Hearts of Steel #2}}
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===IDW comics continuity===
Four million years ago, Tankor was involved in the Decepticon war effort. He was part of a convoy carrying 75 tons of energon for [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. Unfortunately, they were intercepted by [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and their scout, [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]], knocked senseless before he could fire off a shot. Prime and [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] managed to capture Tankor's unit without incident by threatening to detonate the unstable energon supply they were carrying. {{storylink|The Iron Age}}

Tankor was under Deadlock's command at some point.{{storylink|Drift issue 3}}

Millions of years later, during the Decepticon siege of (parts of) [[Earth]], the [[European Union]] sent a nuclear bomb to wipe out the Transformer infestation of [[New York City]]. Unfortunately the plane they sent to carry the bomb was Tankor in disguise. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 11|All Hail Megatron #11}} Even after the Autobots arrived, Megatron ordered Tankor to proceed with the bomb drop and to rendezvous with the Decepticons later, to which he expressed his pleasure. The bomb was indeed dropped, but diverted by Thundercracker. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 12|All Hail Megatron #12}}

[[Image:NewArrivalsOldEncounters Tankor.jpg|thumb|right|200px]]
Unfortunately, Tankor never made it off Earth. After getting captured by humans at some point, he was liberated by a small group of Decepticons led by [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]]. {{storylink|New Arrivals, Old Encounters}} Their ragtag team then located [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] in the ruins of New York, and added him to the group. {{storylink|Seasons in Flight}} During an attack on [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], Swindle starting questioning why they were fighting in the first place. Tankor replied "Because they're Autobots!", but it turned out Swindle was looking for a somewhat deeper answer. The Decepticons subsequently allied themselves with [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]'s defected Autobots, working together to find a way off the planet. {{storylink|New Arrivals, Old Encounters}} Tankor was later seen assisting [[Bluestreak (G1)|Silverstreak]] in the construction of a spaceship. {{storylink|Seasons in Flight}}

Four months after Swindle's failed attempt to betray the Autobots and steal the spaceship, the other Decepticons returned to Earth, and Tankor rejoined them. He was present as an observer when Optimus Prime confronted Megatron one-on-one, and was caught in an explosion when Prime suddenly had a satellite dropped on his nemesis. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 5: Enemy Mine}}

===''Henkei! Henkei!'' pack-in comics===
[[Image:Henkei_octane.jpg|250px|thumb]]
After successfully conducting an energon theft, Octane gave his pursuers, [[Sideswipe (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comics|Sideswipe]] and [[Bluestreak (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comics|Bluestreak]], the runaround by switching back and forth between his alternate modes, making them think they were chasing two culprits instead of one. Once he got bored with the chase, Octane revealed himself, but that proved to be a bad idea, as Sideswipe was able to rocket above him and shoot him down. {{storylink|Henkei! Henkei! volume 6|Henkei! Henkei! #6}}

Octane's skills were later to put to the test by [[Cyclonus (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comics|Cyclonus]], who tasked him with stealing energon from a factory. Octane upped the stakes, promising to do the job in thirty minutes if Cyclonus would deliver a good report on him to [[Megatron (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comics|Megatron]]. Despite the interference of [[Smokescreen (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comic|Smokescreen]] and [[Red Alert (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comic|Red Alert]], Cyclonus held Octane to the conditions of the deal, and Octane had to try and shake the two Autobots off as he headed for the factory. Octane thought he had succeeded, but found his two opponents waiting for him at the factory, along with Cyclonus, who announced his time was up. Cyclonus departed to report on Octane's failure to Megatron leaving the hapless swindler to Smokescreen and Red Alert's tender mercies. {{storylink|Henkei! Henkei! volume 12|Henkei! Henkei! #12}}

Octane had the misfortune of being possessed by the ghost of a [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream from another dimension]] and being forced to attack the Autobots. He beat up on [[Ironhide (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comics|Ironhide]], before being taken down by the invisible [[Mirage (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comics|Mirage]]. As Mirage had taken out Octane's motor circuits, Starscream's ghost was forced to depart his body and search for a new host. {{storylink|Mirage's Rebirth}}

===''Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun'' comic===
Octane was part of the small group of Decepticons who traveled to Earth with [[Megatron (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Megatron]] in pursuit of the lost [[Energon Cube]]. He was never seen in action during the battles on the planet, but was shown being rounded up by the combined might of the Autobots and Earth's military forces following [[Galvatron (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Galvatron]]'s apparent death. {{storylink|To the Sea of Stars}}
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==Games==
===''The Transformers'' (PS2)===
[[Image:TF PS2 Octane.jpg|thumb|250px|]]
{{bigquote|Octane, warrior of the future. With a jet mode and tanker mode! Always loaded with fuel and evil ambition!|The Narrator|"[[The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers]]"}}
:''Voice actor:''

In an alternate future where Shockwave discovered the mysterious mineral known as [[Zel Quartz]] and went mad by its power, Octane was one of the few Decepticons who survived his destructive rampage. The triple changer was chosen to be a part of the Transformers who were to go back in time in order to find the Zel Quartz before Shockwave did.

After the Autobots had dealt with the Sharkticons, Octane drove up to them in tanker mode, transforming to robot mode when he was in front of them. Stating his need for power, Octane announced that he was going to destroy the Autobots and then take all the energy of the Karzite mine. He then rambled on about how he was going to be leader of the Decepticons once he took down Galvatron, and then told the Autobots that he was going to melt them down. Rodimus Prime warned the greedy Triple Changer that those with endless ambitions were bound to be destroyed by it, but his warnings fell of deaf audio receptors. In the end, Octane was soundly defeated and he announced his surrender. Transforming to jet plane mode, Octane flew off, announcing that he would not forget his defeat. Rodimus just called him a "thin-fueled coward". Later, Octane fought alongside Cyclonus against the Autobots in the Atalstan gem mine. Even with a fellow flier for backup, he still lost.

In the Decepticon side of the story, the shuttle that the Decepticons of the future had been using crash-landed. Octane had managed to find the main Depecticon force of the present once they had found a drill bit they suspected to be the Zel Quartz. Driving up to them in tanker mode while expressing surprise to the fact that they were still alive, Octane transformed to robot form, explaining that he thought he was done for. He expressed his relief that he managed to rendezvous with the Decepticons, stating that the bad side always did win. Galvatron told the triple changer that if Octane fought hard for him, it would be enough. Octane promised that he would and requested to join back with the Decepticons.

Despite whichever side won, Starscream eventually managed to steal the Zel Quartz and flew off into space with it. This caused the Quartz to become completely useless; and with the timeline altered, Octane and all the Decepticons from the future disappeared from the present time.{{storylink|The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1 Octane toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Ice Road Trucker.]]
*'''Octane''' (Triple Changer, 1986, 1991)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-72'''
**''Accessories:'' "Flamethrower", tail rudder/"Deflecto Shield", tanker top

:Octane is a [[Triple Changer]], with the ability to transform into two different vehicle modes. His ground vehicle mode is an extended truck cab with fuel-tanker trailer of undetermined model, with much of the detailing in this mode achieved through stickers rather than sculpting. His truck mode has rather strange proportions due to the robot arms sticking out of the sides and the generally broken-up look of the truck. He has three sets of rolling wheels: two purple sets and a set of grey wheels hidden under the middle of the truck. There is also a set of sculpted, non-rolling, unpainted wheels at the back of the truck.

:His aerial mode is based on the twin-engined Boeing 767 jet plane. Though the better of the two vehicle modes, it has some odd concessions that were made due to Octane being a Triple Changer, such as the grey set of wheels from the middle of the truck now sticking up from the top of Octane's fuselage.

:The tail fin of the jet form separates to become his "Deflecto Shield" for robot mode. The [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum metallized]] tanker top piece can also be used as a shield.<ref>[http://www.ntfa.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=2234&mode=threaded&pid=36400 "The many secrets of Octane... Now with pictures!" on NTFA forums]</ref> Care should be taken not to lose it, as it covers up some rather unsightly jet parts inside the tanker.

:Octane was reissued in Europe and Australia as part of the 1991 [[Classics (Europe)|Classics]] line.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Octane/octane.htm More information on Octane at TFU.info]''
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===Universe (2008)===
[[Image:Tankoruniverse2008toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|He sometimes uses his melee blade to make giant chomping shadow puppets in his spare time.]]
*'''Tankor''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Two blasters/"Quad laser", "melee blade"
: Part of the first wave of ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' Deluxe Class toys, "Tankor" ([[trademark]] issues<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20090121131445/http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/universe/default.cfm?page=News/Item&newsid=A795A47F-D56F-E112-48649ACADFB6ADDC Archived page of Hasbro's preview of ''Universe'' Wave 1's toys]</ref>) transforms from either a heavy cargo plane (possibly a C-130) or an [http://www.olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_hemtt_m978.php M978 Fueler] truck, into a robot. He is armed with a serrated "melee blade" weapon, which forms the top of his tanker mode and the base of his plane mode, and a pair of double-barreled blasters, which mount under his wings in plane mode and can combine in [[Targetmaster|Double Targetmaster]]-style into a "Quad Laser". For truck mode, the [[instructions]] and [[stock photography]] place the blasters facing forward in the exposed robot-mode fist holes at the rear of the vehicle, but the intended location for them seems to be the two otherwise-pointless holes on either side of the cab, facing upwards, to serve as smokestacks for the truck.

:The mold was designed for light-piped eyes (and presumably clear truck windows), but the relevant areas have been cast in opaque blue and the eyes are painted red. The Decepticon logo on his chest, unusually enough, has small triangular pupils in its eyes, although they can be applied [[Quality control|rather messily]].

:Slyly, his bio mentions that he delivers "high '''octane''' fuel" to his fellow Decepticons.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/TFUTankor/tankor.htm More information on Tankor at TFU.info]''
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===Henkei! Henkei!===
[[Image:Henkei Octone toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Beware my shiny quad-laser!]]
*'''Destron Octone''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-05'''
**''Accessories:'' Two flamethrowers, "melee blade"

:''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' Octone is a [[redeco]] of ''Universe'' Tankor, and like all ''Henkei! Henkei!'' releases, his colour scheme is designed to be more [[Show-accuracy|more accurate to his cartoon appearance]] and has [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum metallized]] parts, such as his two blasters and the back of the truck mode's tank/the base of the melee blade. Besides the vacuum metallized parts, Octone replaces some of this black plastic with both gray and blue plastic, features a lighter and more cool shade of purple paint, and has Decepticon symbols on his wings.
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==Notes==
*The Generation 1 Octane toy was originally designed to have a sliding waist—not unlike that of [[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]]—that would create a more proportional (i.e., less "chesty") robot mode. For whatever reason, this ability was blocked off very late in the design process, but can easily be reinstated with a small amount of unscrewing and plastic cutting.<ref>[http://www.ntfa.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=2234&mode=threaded&pid=36400 "The many secrets of Octane... Now with pictures!" on NTFA forums]</ref>
*Although [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] and [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] are far more popular, Octane was the main Triple Changer created by Shockwave as discussed in ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]''.
[[Image:Universe Tankor clearwindows.jpg|right|200px|thumb|I can see clearly now...]]
*Octane is depicted as having white lower arms and fists in the USA 1986 catalog and chromed in some European 1986 catalogs. This was apparently changed very late in the process, as the chromed arms are pictured on Octane's box photography. The box art pictured above also shows the chromed arms.
*Octane's role in "Starscream's Ghost" was originally intended for Blitzwing, who would have been taking refuge with the Autobots after his actions in "[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5]]". What this says about Octane's role in "Thief in the Night" is not known.
*As shown on Hasbro's website, ''Universe'' Tankor/Octane's prototype was designed to have transparent plastic windows in his tanker truck mode, but for reasons unknown the windows were opaque plastic with paint applications on both the ''Universe'' and ''Henkei! Henkei!'' final production versions of the toy.
*In May 2010, a bogus picture of a photoshopped redeco of ''Universe'' Tankor/Octane as [[Clench (G1)|Clench]] was placed in BotCon.com's directory structure to throw off would-be scoop-hounds. The trick worked as one website reported it as being the real deal... until BotCon.com updated its own site with artwork of the actual 2010 version of Clench.
*Octane's on screen plane mode is a two-engine version of the Boeing 707.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Octone''' (オクトーン ''Okutōn'')<ref>The word "octane" is usually rendered in katakana as オクタン ''okutan''. The change thus appears to have been an intentional one, although the why of it is unknown.</ref>
*''Italian:'' '''Triplex Tre''' ("Triplex Three")
*''Mandarin:'' '''Hsīn-wǎn''' (Taiwan, 辛烷, "Octane"), '''Duqi Dan''' (China, 毒气弹, "Poison Gas Bomb"）

==References==
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==External links==
*[http://ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Octane Octane's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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Octane

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:''Octane is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Octane boxart.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"Oh, I don't know, Megatron. Why should I give you this energon?" *Megatron cocks the fusion cannon* "Okay, here it is."]]
'''Octane''' is considered vile, even by Decepticon standards. This triple changing bully is a cheat, a liar, and a coward who thinks only of himself and can't be trusted any further than [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] can throw [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. The only reason that this inveterate thief is allowed to continue functioning is that he has an uncanny ability to locate stores of fuel for his fellow Decepticons, and is usually able to spin a fairly convincing excuse for why he was unable to assist them in their latest battle. As annoying and frustrating as he may be to work with, most of his allies will grudgingly admit that he does perform his job as a fuel transport quite well—if he could just get over his annoying habit of making them beg for every drop.

He is sometimes called '''Tankor'''.

==Fiction==
===Cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Beau Weaver]] (English), [[Kenyū Horiuchi]] (Japanese), [[Ignacio Campero]] (Latin American)

When the Decepticon forces were driven off [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Octane ended up on the barren planet of [[Chaar]]. When [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] told the Decepticons that he was going to bring back [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] to lead them, Octane was amongst the cheering crowd... although the canonicity of this is questionable, given that several dead Decepticons and Galvatron himself were also cheering in the crowd. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1}} He then joined the beating-Autobots-to-death crowd when the Decepticons discovered [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Rodimus Prime]] and [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] spying on them. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 2}} Finally, he joined the energon-munching crowd when the [[Quintesson|Quintessons]] offered them energy in exchange for exterminating a group of Autobots on [[Goo 8739B]]. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 3}}

Octane first came to the Autobots' attention while doing what he did best—thinking about himself. When [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] had been defeated by [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] and hurled into the ocean, it was Octane who first discovered that the giant Decepticon had not been destroyed, but had actually survived his untimely dunk in the water. What happened next depends on who you believe: Octane tells a tale of great heroism, where he came across the weakened and dying Trypticon and, for the glory of the [[Decepticon Empire]] and out of the good of his own heart, nursed the injured giant back to health. The rest of the world prefer to take a less charitable look at his actions, and claim that Octane merely took advantage of Trypticon to secure himself a source of high-quality energon from the [[Socialist Democratic Federated Republic of Carbombya]]. Whatever his motivation, it was not long before Octane and Trypticon were trading fuel for protection (even going so far as to assault passing cruise ships and then claiming they had been invading sovereign waters, though Trypticon did genuinely believe that they were invading ships). When that was no longer enough to keep their new landlords happy, Octane quickly came up with a scheme to use Trypticon in stealing all of the world's most important monuments and presenting them as gifts to the nation's leader. That got the attention of Rodimus Prime and the rest of the Autobots, who quickly crashed Octane's party. Worse, Galvatron caught wind of what had been happening, and was not amused with how selfishly Octane had been keeping Trypticon to himself. All the wheeling and dealing in the world failed in the face of Galvatron's rage, and Octane soon found himself ousted from the Decepticons (a fate he shared with his fellow Triple Changer, [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]]. Apparently [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] was the only one of them worth keeping). {{storylink|Thief in the Night}}

[[Image:SandstormOctane BFF.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Octane could only get along with someone who had nothing left to steal.]]
Alone and on the run, Octane soon discovered that Galvatron was less than willing to let bygones be bygones. The Decepticon leader had placed a price on Octane's head, and countless bounty hunters and assassins were closing in on him. After a close call on the planet [[Junkion (planet)|Junk]], where he narrowly avoided being blown to pieces, Octane quickly decided to seek asylum with the Autobots. It was here that he met and befriended [[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]], a fellow Triple Changer who had recently joined the Autobots after the destruction of his home planet of [[Paradron]]. After being attacked by the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]] at [[Autobot City]], the pair fled to a space station, where they were assaulted once again by a paid assassin (who was fortunately so incompetent that the two robots barely noticed he was there). Eventually settling on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Octane still found no peace, as Cyclonus and the [[Sweep]]s tracked him down yet again. Fleeing into the forgotten [[Decepticon Crypt]], Octane stumbled onto the ghost of the most famous Decepticon traitor ever known: [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]]. Quickly realising kindred spirits in each other, the two joined forces in an attempt to let Starscream possess Cyclonus and take over the Decepticons. Needless to say, their coup attempt failed rather miserably, and both traitors found themselves once again fleeing from Galvatron's wrath. {{storylink|Starscream's Ghost}}

Despite this, Octane was later back under Galvatron's command, joining him in a firefight with the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] during an attack on the [[Netherlands]]. {{storylink|The Ultimate Weapon}} Though, like Blitzwing's two cameo appearances in '{{storylink|Fight or Flee}}' and in this one, it is unknown if this was an animation error or not, as Galvatron banished the two Triplechangers for betrayal, and he would have forgiven them without any evidence.

====''The Headmasters'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Ryōichi Tanaka]] (Japanese)

Under the command of [[Sixshot]], Octane and his fellow Decepticon Triple Changers assaulted [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] and his troops on Earth in order to prevent them from joining a battle on Cybertron. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}} The three went on to defend Trypticon from [[Springer (G1)|Springer]], [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] and Octane's old buddy Sandstorm (there's a bromance that died out early). {{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}} They also helped the Decepticon [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] steal the energy-gathering [[Sol 1]] satellite for [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]. {{storylink|The Shadow Emperor, Scorponok}} On the planet [[Zarak (planet)|Zarak]], Octane acted as a cruel taskmaster, whipping the [[Beastformer]]s into shape as they were forced to build Scorponok's giant [[Transtector]]. {{storylink|The Dormant Volcano Mysteriously Erupts}} He witnessed Scorponok's moment of triumph as he finally revealed his MegaZarak transtector. {{storylink|Explosion on Mars!! MegaZarak Appears}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
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[[Image:OctaneMarvel.jpg|right|103px|thumb|In the comics, Octane wanted to be like Bono.]]
Octane was one of the many Decepticons left on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] after [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]]'s departure. ''Along with several others, Octane worked for the tyrant [[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]] in the giant fortress known as [[Darkmount]]. He was regarded as one of Cybertron's [[Ten Deadliest Killers]], with soldiers like [[Macabre]] wanting to be seen as his equal, and considered a key target in [[Operation: Volcano]].'' {{storylink|Target: 2006}} ''When [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] was accidentally transported back to Cybertron and joined forces with the [[Wrecker|Wreckers]] to attack a [[Decepticon fuel store]], Octane ran away from them screaming—this is the first sign his rep may be a tad inflated. He reported on the battle to Straxus, greatly over-exaggerating his own role in the battle.'' {{storylink|Resurrection!}}

Octane was sent to Earth by [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] to investigate the loss of the [[Wash and Roll|Carwash of Doom]], but when they found the crashed ship they discovered the reason it was lost was because of [[Scraplet]]s. Infected, he failed to kill [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] {{storylink|Crater Critters}} and would end up saved by accident. {{storylink|The Cure!}}

Aside from providing valuable background appearances and occasional comic relief, Octane is also worth noting for one important thing: during a battle in the Arctic that had been set up by [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]], Octane managed to kill the Autobot known as [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]]. Of course, Mirage was up and running again shortly thereafter, so it wasn't even a GOOD killing ("deadliest killer" my ''sine function'') (and he didn't kill [[Rippersnapper (G1)|Rippersnapper]] during the previous battle either, as ''HE'' still functioned). Octane's death at the hands of Starscream in [[Buenos Aires]] later that day, however, WAS a good killing and lasted for quite some time. {{storylink|Dark Star}}

In [[2009]] of an alternate future, Octane was stationed at the [[Decepticon Powerbase]] when the last seven remaining Autobots staged a raid on it. After [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] cut the rotors of the Autobot [[Crossblades (G1)|Crossblades]], Octane and [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] blew him out of the sky. {{storylink|Rhythms of Darkness!}}

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=====Earthforce=====
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[[Image:Triple changers shockwave secrets.jpg|left|200px|thumb|]]
Octane ended up on Earth under the command of [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. {{storylink|The Bad Guy's Ball!}} He helped his boss and the other Triple Changers smack down on Megatron and steal an energon shipment from the other Decepticon leader. {{storylink|Secrets}} He also joined the raid on Autobot Earthbase, but was cut down in midair when [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] hurled his [[Energo weapon|energo-sword]] through his wing in jet mode. {{storylink|Divide and Conquer!}} Octane often stole fuel from humans and transported it for the Decepticons—and on the way, he'd have fun trashing human cars and working over the occupants. However, one car (secretly [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]], trying to end Octane's "games") led him on a merry chase to a military testing ground. These humans could ''fight back'', and Octane—worried a shot in his full fuel tanks would blow him up—called [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] and [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] to help him. They did, until they found out he'd only gotten there by goofing off on a mission, at which point they left him to suffer. (WHY did Macabre want to be like you again?) {{storylink|Manoeuvres!}}
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====''Generation 2''====
After [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]]'s [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronians]], led by the treacherous Starscream, attacked and boarded the ''[[Warworld]]'', Octane was amongst the casualties. {{storylink|Total War!}}

====''Classics''====
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Following Megatron's return in the 21st century, Octane was among the Decepticons who joined Megatron's faction. He was positioned for a strike on [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s faction before the [[Pretender]] was undone from within. {{storylink|At Fight's End}}

====''Regeneration One''====
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[[Image:Megatrons zombie army loose ends 2.jpg|thumb|200px|right|Claims that the virus was caused by rage-infected monkeys have now been dismissed as bull-]]
Octane was one of the [[Underbase Saga]] casualties that Megatron reanimated and lobotomised during his time on [[Earth]]. In [[2012]] the [[zombie]] Octane was ordered to chase down [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] and the [[Wrecker]]s but was drawn away from the main group by [[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]], [[Leadfoot (G2)|Leadfoot]] and [[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]]'s diversionary tactics. {{storylink|Loose Ends, Part 2}}
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===''Transformers in 3-D''===
[[Image:TFin3D2 Octane's head.jpg|thumb|right|150px|"Run away!! Run away!!"]]
Octane, [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] and [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] intercepted [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]] on his way to [[Andellor]] to find the [[Prism of Power]]. The trio forced Cosmos to lead them to the planet. There, they entered a cave, though Octane wasn't terribly keen on the prospect. His worries proved well founded, as a few minutes later, he was seized by tentacles and dragged into a pool. As his decapitated head flew back out, he requested that Cyclonus retrieve the rest of him. {{storylink|Transformers in 3-D issue 2}}
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===Dreamwave comics continuity===
Octane participated in Shockwave's assault on [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] shortly after Optronix arose to become [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|The War Within issue 3|The War Within #3}} When [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] sorta accidentally blew up Iacon, Octane was among the Decepticons who bailed out. {{storylink|The War Within issue 6|The War Within #6}} During the [[Dark Ages]], Octane served under Starscream's command as one of the [[Predacon (War Within)|Predacons]]. {{storylink|Fragmentation}}

When Cybertron was on the verge of peace, Octane and the rest of Starscream's Predacons on [[Moon Alpha]] in preparation for an attack, only to be pounced on by a combined Autobot/Decepticon team. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath}} Megatron retook Cybertron with his [[Air Warrior|Aerospace Extermination Squadron]], after which Octane ended up guarding the Autobots. He and [[Barrage (Insecticon)|Barrage]] were about to punish [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] when [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] bashed them both. They regained their wits after one of the drones pacified the Autobot. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.2}} When the Decepticons fractured again after the disappearance of the ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]'', he began working for [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. Octane loved tormenting the pint-sized Decepticon [[Micromaster|Micromasters]], lording over them with his size and rank. {{storylink|Destined for Nothing}} The Micromasters got their own back, sending Octane and the other [[guzzler]]s on a suicide mission. Though Octane's crew overcame the Autobots, the Autobot Micromasters turned up with the revelation that Shockwave was deactivated, and Octane called a general retreat. {{storylink|Victims of the Revolution}}

[[Image:DWColdWar Slag Octane.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Kids, never poke and mock bat-shit insane powerhouses!]]
After the [[Great Shutdown]], Octane qualified for Shockwave's re-engineering process, and joined the [[Triple Changer|Triple Changer Strike Force]]. He traveled to [[Earth]] in 2003 under Shockwave and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]' command to collect the "renegade" Autobots and Decepticons who were still fighting the Great War. {{storylink|New World Order}} They returned to Cybertron, and Octane assumed patrol duty until coming across the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], who had just crash-landed in the [[Wastelands]] after arriving from Earth. Sensing weakness, Octane mockingly challenged the woozy travelers, poking them and calling them "primitive".

[[Slag (G1)|Slag]] made an ashtray out of his skull. Even Grimlock was a little creeped out by this particular "trophy". {{storylink|Cold War (issue)|Cold War}}
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===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
Octane was among the Decepticon forces waiting for [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]'s force field around [[Teletran 3]] would go down. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 2|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II #2}} After [[Serpentor|Serpent O.R.]] took control of the Decepticons, Octane and several subgroup leaders protected him from an assault by Optimus Prime. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 5|The Art of War #5}}

===''Hearts of Steel''===
[[Image:HeartsofSteel2 Decepticons questions.jpg|left|200px|thumb|His alt-modes in this continuity are "kite" and "wheelbarrow."]]
Octane participated in the questioning of [[Tobias Muldoon]] when [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] brought the human scientist down to the Decepticon at the bottom of the [[San Francisco]] Bay. In particular, Octane wanted to know if the humans had developed flight technology, which the Decepticons could exploit. {{storylink|Hearts of Steel issue 2|Hearts of Steel #2}}
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===IDW comics continuity===
Four million years ago, Tankor was involved in the Decepticon war effort. He was part of a convoy carrying 75 tons of energon for [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. Unfortunately, they were intercepted by [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and their scout, [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]], knocked senseless before he could fire off a shot. Prime and [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] managed to capture Tankor's unit without incident by threatening to detonate the unstable energon supply they were carrying. {{storylink|The Iron Age}}

Tankor was under Deadlock's command at some point.{{storylink|Drift issue 3}}

Millions of years later, during the Decepticon siege of (parts of) [[Earth]], the [[European Union]] sent a nuclear bomb to wipe out the Transformer infestation of [[New York City]]. Unfortunately the plane they sent to carry the bomb was Tankor in disguise. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 11|All Hail Megatron #11}} Even after the Autobots arrived, Megatron ordered Tankor to proceed with the bomb drop and to rendezvous with the Decepticons later, to which he expressed his pleasure. The bomb was indeed dropped, but diverted by Thundercracker. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 12|All Hail Megatron #12}}

[[Image:NewArrivalsOldEncounters Tankor.jpg|thumb|right|200px]]
Unfortunately, Tankor never made it off Earth. After getting captured by humans at some point, he was liberated by a small group of Decepticons led by [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]]. {{storylink|New Arrivals, Old Encounters}} Their ragtag team then located [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] in the ruins of New York, and added him to the group. {{storylink|Seasons in Flight}} During an attack on [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], Swindle starting questioning why they were fighting in the first place. Tankor replied "Because they're Autobots!", but it turned out Swindle was looking for a somewhat deeper answer. The Decepticons subsequently allied themselves with [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]'s defected Autobots, working together to find a way off the planet. {{storylink|New Arrivals, Old Encounters}} Tankor was later seen assisting [[Bluestreak (G1)|Silverstreak]] in the construction of a spaceship. {{storylink|Seasons in Flight}}

Four months after Swindle's failed attempt to betray the Autobots and steal the spaceship, the other Decepticons returned to Earth, and Tankor rejoined them. He was present as an observer when Optimus Prime confronted Megatron one-on-one, and was caught in an explosion when Prime suddenly had a satellite dropped on his nemesis. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 5: Enemy Mine}}

===''Henkei! Henkei!'' pack-in comics===
[[Image:Henkei_octane.jpg|250px|thumb]]
After successfully conducting an energon theft, Octane gave his pursuers, [[Sideswipe (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comics|Sideswipe]] and [[Bluestreak (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comics|Bluestreak]], the runaround by switching back and forth between his alternate modes, making them think they were chasing two culprits instead of one. Once he got bored with the chase, Octane revealed himself, but that proved to be a bad idea, as Sideswipe was able to rocket above him and shoot him down. {{storylink|Henkei! Henkei! volume 6|Henkei! Henkei! #6}}

Octane's skills were later to put to the test by [[Cyclonus (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comics|Cyclonus]], who tasked him with stealing energon from a factory. Octane upped the stakes, promising to do the job in thirty minutes if Cyclonus would deliver a good report on him to [[Megatron (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comics|Megatron]]. Despite the interference of [[Smokescreen (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comic|Smokescreen]] and [[Red Alert (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comic|Red Alert]], Cyclonus held Octane to the conditions of the deal, and Octane had to try and shake the two Autobots off as he headed for the factory. Octane thought he had succeeded, but found his two opponents waiting for him at the factory, along with Cyclonus, who announced his time was up. Cyclonus departed to report on Octane's failure to Megatron leaving the hapless swindler to Smokescreen and Red Alert's tender mercies. {{storylink|Henkei! Henkei! volume 12|Henkei! Henkei! #12}}

Octane had the misfortune of being possessed by the ghost of a [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream from another dimension]] and being forced to attack the Autobots. He beat up on [[Ironhide (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comics|Ironhide]], before being taken down by the invisible [[Mirage (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comics|Mirage]]. As Mirage had taken out Octane's motor circuits, Starscream's ghost was forced to depart his body and search for a new host. {{storylink|Mirage's Rebirth}}

===''Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun'' comic===
Octane was part of the small group of Decepticons who traveled to Earth with [[Megatron (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Megatron]] in pursuit of the lost [[Energon Cube]]. He was never seen in action during the battles on the planet, but was shown being rounded up by the combined might of the Autobots and Earth's military forces following [[Galvatron (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Galvatron]]'s apparent death. {{storylink|To the Sea of Stars}}
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==Games==
===''The Transformers'' (PS2)===
[[Image:TF PS2 Octane.jpg|thumb|250px|]]
{{bigquote|Octane, warrior of the future. With a jet mode and tanker mode! Always loaded with fuel and evil ambition!|The Narrator|"[[The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers]]"}}
:''Voice actor:''

In an alternate future where Shockwave discovered the mysterious mineral known as [[Zel Quartz]] and went mad by its power, Octane was one of the few Decepticons who survived his destructive rampage. The triple changer was chosen to be a part of the Transformers who were to go back in time in order to find the Zel Quartz before Shockwave did.

After the Autobots had dealt with the Sharkticons, Octane drove up to them in tanker mode, transforming to robot mode when he was in front of them. Stating his need for power, Octane announced that he was going to destroy the Autobots and then take all the energy of the Karzite mine. He then rambled on about how he was going to be leader of the Decepticons once he took down Galvatron, and then told the Autobots that he was going to melt them down. Rodimus Prime warned the greedy Triple Changer that those with endless ambitions were bound to be destroyed by it, but his warnings fell of deaf audio receptors. In the end, Octane was soundly defeated and he announced his surrender. Transforming to jet plane mode, Octane flew off, announcing that he would not forget his defeat. Rodimus just called him a "thin-fueled coward". Later, Octane fought alongside Cyclonus against the Autobots in the Atalstan gem mine. Even with a fellow flier for backup, he still lost.

In the Decepticon side of the story, the shuttle that the Decepticons of the future had been using crash-landed. Octane had managed to find the main Depecticon force of the present once they had found a drill bit they suspected to be the Zel Quartz. Driving up to them in tanker mode while expressing surprise to the fact that they were still alive, Octane transformed to robot form, explaining that he thought he was done for. He expressed his relief that he managed to rendezvous with the Decepticons, stating that the bad side always did win. Galvatron told the triple changer that if Octane fought hard for him, it would be enough. Octane promised that he would and requested to join back with the Decepticons.

Despite whichever side won, Starscream eventually managed to steal the Zel Quartz and flew off into space with it. This caused the Quartz to become completely useless; and with the timeline altered, Octane and all the Decepticons from the future disappeared from the present time.{{storylink|The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1 Octane toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Ice Road Trucker.]]
*'''Octane''' (Triple Changer, 1986, 1991)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-72'''
**''Accessories:'' "Flamethrower", tail rudder/"Deflecto Shield", tanker top

:Octane is a [[Triple Changer]], with the ability to transform into two different vehicle modes. His ground vehicle mode is an extended truck cab with fuel-tanker trailer of undetermined model, with much of the detailing in this mode achieved through stickers rather than sculpting. His truck mode has rather strange proportions due to the robot arms sticking out of the sides and the generally broken-up look of the truck. He has three sets of rolling wheels: two purple sets and a set of grey wheels hidden under the middle of the truck. There is also a set of sculpted, non-rolling, unpainted wheels at the back of the truck.

:His aerial mode is based on the twin-engined Boeing 767 jet plane. Though the better of the two vehicle modes, it has some odd concessions that were made due to Octane being a Triple Changer, such as the grey set of wheels from the middle of the truck now sticking up from the top of Octane's fuselage.

:The tail fin of the jet form separates to become his "Deflecto Shield" for robot mode. The [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum metallized]] tanker top piece can also be used as a shield.<ref>[http://www.ntfa.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=2234&mode=threaded&pid=36400 "The many secrets of Octane... Now with pictures!" on NTFA forums]</ref> Care should be taken not to lose it, as it covers up some rather unsightly jet parts inside the tanker.

:Octane was reissued in Europe and Australia as part of the 1991 [[Classics (Europe)|Classics]] line.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Octane/octane.htm More information on Octane at TFU.info]''
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===Universe (2008)===
[[Image:Tankoruniverse2008toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|He sometimes uses his melee blade to make giant chomping shadow puppets in his spare time.]]
*'''Tankor''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Two blasters/"Quad laser", "melee blade"
: Part of the first wave of ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' Deluxe Class toys, "Tankor" ([[trademark]] issues<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20090121131445/http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/universe/default.cfm?page=News/Item&newsid=A795A47F-D56F-E112-48649ACADFB6ADDC Archived page of Hasbro's preview of ''Universe'' Wave 1's toys]</ref>) transforms from either a heavy cargo plane (possibly a C-130) or an [http://www.olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_hemtt_m978.php M978 Fueler] truck, into a robot. He is armed with a serrated "melee blade" weapon, which forms the top of his tanker mode and the base of his plane mode, and a pair of double-barreled blasters, which mount under his wings in plane mode and can combine in [[Targetmaster|Double Targetmaster]]-style into a "Quad Laser". For truck mode, the [[instructions]] and [[stock photography]] place the blasters facing forward in the exposed robot-mode fist holes at the rear of the vehicle, but the intended location for them seems to be the two otherwise-pointless holes on either side of the cab, facing upwards, to serve as smokestacks for the truck.

:The mold was designed for light-piped eyes (and presumably clear truck windows), but the relevant areas have been cast in opaque blue and the eyes are painted red. The Decepticon logo on his chest, unusually enough, has small triangular pupils in its eyes, although they can be applied [[Quality control|rather messily]].

:Slyly, his bio mentions that he delivers "high '''octane''' fuel" to his fellow Decepticons.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/TFUTankor/tankor.htm More information on Tankor at TFU.info]''
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===Henkei! Henkei!===
[[Image:Henkei Octone toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Beware my shiny quad-laser!]]
*'''Destron Octone''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-05'''
**''Accessories:'' Two flamethrowers, "melee blade"

:''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' Octone is a [[redeco]] of ''Universe'' Tankor, and like all ''Henkei! Henkei!'' releases, his colour scheme is designed to be more [[Show-accuracy|more accurate to his cartoon appearance]] and has [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum metallized]] parts, such as his two blasters and the back of the truck mode's tank/the base of the melee blade. Besides the vacuum metallized parts, Octone replaces some of this black plastic with both gray and blue plastic, features a lighter and more cool shade of purple paint, and has Decepticon symbols on his wings.
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==Notes==
*The Generation 1 Octane toy was originally designed to have a sliding waist—not unlike that of [[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]]—that would create a more proportional (i.e., less "chesty") robot mode. For whatever reason, this ability was blocked off very late in the design process, but can easily be reinstated with a small amount of unscrewing and plastic cutting.<ref>[http://www.ntfa.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=2234&mode=threaded&pid=36400 "The many secrets of Octane... Now with pictures!" on NTFA forums]</ref>
*Although [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] and [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] are far more popular, Octane was the main Triple Changer created by Shockwave as discussed in ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]''.
[[Image:Universe Tankor clearwindows.jpg|right|200px|thumb|I can see clearly now...]]
*Octane is depicted as having white lower arms and fists in the USA 1986 catalog and chromed in some European 1986 catalogs. This was apparently changed very late in the process, as the chromed arms are pictured on Octane's box photography. The box art pictured above also shows the chromed arms.
*Octane's role in "Starscream's Ghost" was originally intended for Blitzwing, who would have been taking refuge with the Autobots after his actions in "[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5]]". What this says about Octane's role in "Thief in the Night" is not known.
*As shown on Hasbro's website, ''Universe'' Tankor/Octane's prototype was designed to have transparent plastic windows in his tanker truck mode, but for reasons unknown the windows were opaque plastic with paint applications on both the ''Universe'' and ''Henkei! Henkei!'' final production versions of the toy.
*In May 2010, a bogus picture of a photoshopped redeco of ''Universe'' Tankor/Octane as [[Clench (G1)|Clench]] was placed in BotCon.com's directory structure to throw off would-be scoop-hounds. The trick worked as one website reported it as being the real deal... until BotCon.com updated its own site with artwork of the actual 2010 version of Clench.
*Octane's on screen plane mode is a two-engine version of the Boeing 707.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Octone''' (オクトーン ''Okutōn'')<ref>The word "octane" is usually rendered in katakana as オクタン ''okutan''. The change thus appears to have been an intentional one, although the why of it is unknown.</ref>
*''Italian:'' '''Triplex Tre''' ("Triplex Three")
*''Mandarin:'' '''Hsīn-wǎn''' (Taiwan, 辛烷, "Octane"), '''Duqi Dan''' (China, 毒气弹, "Poison Gas Bomb"）

==References==
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==External links==
*[http://ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Octane Octane's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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Octane

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:''Octane is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Octane boxart.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"Oh, I don't know, Megatron. Why should I give you this energon?" *Megatron cocks the fusion cannon* "Okay, here it is."]]
'''Octane''' is considered vile, even by Decepticon standards. This triple changing bully is a cheat, a liar, and a coward who thinks only of himself and can't be trusted any further than [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] can throw [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. The only reason that this inveterate thief is allowed to continue functioning is that he has an uncanny ability to locate stores of fuel for his fellow Decepticons, and is usually able to spin a fairly convincing excuse for why he was unable to assist them in their latest battle. As annoying and frustrating as he may be to work with, most of his allies will grudgingly admit that he does perform his job as a fuel transport quite well—if he could just get over his annoying habit of making them beg for every drop.

He is sometimes called '''Tankor'''.

==Fiction==
===Cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Beau Weaver]] (English), [[Kenyū Horiuchi]] (Japanese), [[Ignacio Campero]] (Latin American)

When the Decepticon forces were driven off [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Octane ended up on the barren planet of [[Chaar]]. When [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] told the Decepticons that he was going to bring back [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] to lead them, Octane was amongst the cheering crowd... although the canonicity of this is questionable, given that several dead Decepticons and Galvatron himself were also cheering in the crowd. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1}} He then joined the beating-Autobots-to-death crowd when the Decepticons discovered [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Rodimus Prime]] and [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] spying on them. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 2}} Finally, he joined the energon-munching crowd when the [[Quintesson|Quintessons]] offered them energy in exchange for exterminating a group of Autobots on [[Goo 8739B]]. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 3}}

Octane first came to the Autobots' attention while doing what he did best—thinking about himself. When [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] had been defeated by [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] and hurled into the ocean, it was Octane who first discovered that the giant Decepticon had not been destroyed, but had actually survived his untimely dunk in the water. What happened next depends on who you believe: Octane tells a tale of great heroism, where he came across the weakened and dying Trypticon and, for the glory of the [[Decepticon Empire]] and out of the good of his own heart, nursed the injured giant back to health. The rest of the world prefer to take a less charitable look at his actions, and claim that Octane merely took advantage of Trypticon to secure himself a source of high-quality energon from the [[Socialist Democratic Federated Republic of Carbombya]]. Whatever his motivation, it was not long before Octane and Trypticon were trading fuel for protection (even going so far as to assault passing cruise ships and then claiming they had been invading sovereign waters, though Trypticon did genuinely believe that they were invading ships). When that was no longer enough to keep their new landlords happy, Octane quickly came up with a scheme to use Trypticon in stealing all of the world's most important monuments and presenting them as gifts to the nation's leader. That got the attention of Rodimus Prime and the rest of the Autobots, who quickly crashed Octane's party. Worse, Galvatron caught wind of what had been happening, and was not amused with how selfishly Octane had been keeping Trypticon to himself. All the wheeling and dealing in the world failed in the face of Galvatron's rage, and Octane soon found himself ousted from the Decepticons (a fate he shared with his fellow Triple Changer, [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]]. Apparently [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] was the only one of them worth keeping). {{storylink|Thief in the Night}}

[[Image:SandstormOctane BFF.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Octane could only get along with someone who had nothing left to steal.]]
Alone and on the run, Octane soon discovered that Galvatron was less than willing to let bygones be bygones. The Decepticon leader had placed a price on Octane's head, and countless bounty hunters and assassins were closing in on him. After a close call on the planet [[Junkion (planet)|Junk]], where he narrowly avoided being blown to pieces, Octane quickly decided to seek asylum with the Autobots. It was here that he met and befriended [[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]], a fellow Triple Changer who had recently joined the Autobots after the destruction of his home planet of [[Paradron]]. After being attacked by the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]] at [[Autobot City]], the pair fled to a space station, where they were assaulted once again by a paid assassin (who was fortunately so incompetent that the two robots barely noticed he was there). Eventually settling on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Octane still found no peace, as Cyclonus and the [[Sweep]]s tracked him down yet again. Fleeing into the forgotten [[Decepticon Crypt]], Octane stumbled onto the ghost of the most famous Decepticon traitor ever known: [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]]. Quickly realising kindred spirits in each other, the two joined forces in an attempt to let Starscream possess Cyclonus and take over the Decepticons. Needless to say, their coup attempt failed rather miserably, and both traitors found themselves once again fleeing from Galvatron's wrath. {{storylink|Starscream's Ghost}}

Despite this, Octane was later back under Galvatron's command, joining him in a firefight with the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] during an attack on the [[Netherlands]]. {{storylink|The Ultimate Weapon}} Though, like Blitzwing's two cameo appearances in 'Fight or Flee' and in this one, it is unknown if this was an animation error or not, as Galvatron banished the two Triplechangers for betrayal, and he would have forgiven them without any evidence.

====''The Headmasters'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Ryōichi Tanaka]] (Japanese)

Under the command of [[Sixshot]], Octane and his fellow Decepticon Triple Changers assaulted [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] and his troops on Earth in order to prevent them from joining a battle on Cybertron. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}} The three went on to defend Trypticon from [[Springer (G1)|Springer]], [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] and Octane's old buddy Sandstorm (there's a bromance that died out early). {{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}} They also helped the Decepticon [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] steal the energy-gathering [[Sol 1]] satellite for [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]. {{storylink|The Shadow Emperor, Scorponok}} On the planet [[Zarak (planet)|Zarak]], Octane acted as a cruel taskmaster, whipping the [[Beastformer]]s into shape as they were forced to build Scorponok's giant [[Transtector]]. {{storylink|The Dormant Volcano Mysteriously Erupts}} He witnessed Scorponok's moment of triumph as he finally revealed his MegaZarak transtector. {{storylink|Explosion on Mars!! MegaZarak Appears}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
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[[Image:OctaneMarvel.jpg|right|103px|thumb|In the comics, Octane wanted to be like Bono.]]
Octane was one of the many Decepticons left on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] after [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]]'s departure. ''Along with several others, Octane worked for the tyrant [[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]] in the giant fortress known as [[Darkmount]]. He was regarded as one of Cybertron's [[Ten Deadliest Killers]], with soldiers like [[Macabre]] wanting to be seen as his equal, and considered a key target in [[Operation: Volcano]].'' {{storylink|Target: 2006}} ''When [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] was accidentally transported back to Cybertron and joined forces with the [[Wrecker|Wreckers]] to attack a [[Decepticon fuel store]], Octane ran away from them screaming—this is the first sign his rep may be a tad inflated. He reported on the battle to Straxus, greatly over-exaggerating his own role in the battle.'' {{storylink|Resurrection!}}

Octane was sent to Earth by [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] to investigate the loss of the [[Wash and Roll|Carwash of Doom]], but when they found the crashed ship they discovered the reason it was lost was because of [[Scraplet]]s. Infected, he failed to kill [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] {{storylink|Crater Critters}} and would end up saved by accident. {{storylink|The Cure!}}

Aside from providing valuable background appearances and occasional comic relief, Octane is also worth noting for one important thing: during a battle in the Arctic that had been set up by [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]], Octane managed to kill the Autobot known as [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]]. Of course, Mirage was up and running again shortly thereafter, so it wasn't even a GOOD killing ("deadliest killer" my ''sine function'') (and he didn't kill [[Rippersnapper (G1)|Rippersnapper]] during the previous battle either, as ''HE'' still functioned). Octane's death at the hands of Starscream in [[Buenos Aires]] later that day, however, WAS a good killing and lasted for quite some time. {{storylink|Dark Star}}

In [[2009]] of an alternate future, Octane was stationed at the [[Decepticon Powerbase]] when the last seven remaining Autobots staged a raid on it. After [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] cut the rotors of the Autobot [[Crossblades (G1)|Crossblades]], Octane and [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] blew him out of the sky. {{storylink|Rhythms of Darkness!}}

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=====Earthforce=====
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[[Image:Triple changers shockwave secrets.jpg|left|200px|thumb|]]
Octane ended up on Earth under the command of [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. {{storylink|The Bad Guy's Ball!}} He helped his boss and the other Triple Changers smack down on Megatron and steal an energon shipment from the other Decepticon leader. {{storylink|Secrets}} He also joined the raid on Autobot Earthbase, but was cut down in midair when [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] hurled his [[Energo weapon|energo-sword]] through his wing in jet mode. {{storylink|Divide and Conquer!}} Octane often stole fuel from humans and transported it for the Decepticons—and on the way, he'd have fun trashing human cars and working over the occupants. However, one car (secretly [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]], trying to end Octane's "games") led him on a merry chase to a military testing ground. These humans could ''fight back'', and Octane—worried a shot in his full fuel tanks would blow him up—called [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] and [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] to help him. They did, until they found out he'd only gotten there by goofing off on a mission, at which point they left him to suffer. (WHY did Macabre want to be like you again?) {{storylink|Manoeuvres!}}
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====''Generation 2''====
After [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]]'s [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronians]], led by the treacherous Starscream, attacked and boarded the ''[[Warworld]]'', Octane was amongst the casualties. {{storylink|Total War!}}

====''Classics''====
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Following Megatron's return in the 21st century, Octane was among the Decepticons who joined Megatron's faction. He was positioned for a strike on [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s faction before the [[Pretender]] was undone from within. {{storylink|At Fight's End}}

====''Regeneration One''====
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[[Image:Megatrons zombie army loose ends 2.jpg|thumb|200px|right|Claims that the virus was caused by rage-infected monkeys have now been dismissed as bull-]]
Octane was one of the [[Underbase Saga]] casualties that Megatron reanimated and lobotomised during his time on [[Earth]]. In [[2012]] the [[zombie]] Octane was ordered to chase down [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] and the [[Wrecker]]s but was drawn away from the main group by [[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]], [[Leadfoot (G2)|Leadfoot]] and [[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]]'s diversionary tactics. {{storylink|Loose Ends, Part 2}}
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===''Transformers in 3-D''===
[[Image:TFin3D2 Octane's head.jpg|thumb|right|150px|"Run away!! Run away!!"]]
Octane, [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] and [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] intercepted [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]] on his way to [[Andellor]] to find the [[Prism of Power]]. The trio forced Cosmos to lead them to the planet. There, they entered a cave, though Octane wasn't terribly keen on the prospect. His worries proved well founded, as a few minutes later, he was seized by tentacles and dragged into a pool. As his decapitated head flew back out, he requested that Cyclonus retrieve the rest of him. {{storylink|Transformers in 3-D issue 2}}
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===Dreamwave comics continuity===
Octane participated in Shockwave's assault on [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] shortly after Optronix arose to become [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|The War Within issue 3|The War Within #3}} When [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] sorta accidentally blew up Iacon, Octane was among the Decepticons who bailed out. {{storylink|The War Within issue 6|The War Within #6}} During the [[Dark Ages]], Octane served under Starscream's command as one of the [[Predacon (War Within)|Predacons]]. {{storylink|Fragmentation}}

When Cybertron was on the verge of peace, Octane and the rest of Starscream's Predacons on [[Moon Alpha]] in preparation for an attack, only to be pounced on by a combined Autobot/Decepticon team. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath}} Megatron retook Cybertron with his [[Air Warrior|Aerospace Extermination Squadron]], after which Octane ended up guarding the Autobots. He and [[Barrage (Insecticon)|Barrage]] were about to punish [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] when [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] bashed them both. They regained their wits after one of the drones pacified the Autobot. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.2}} When the Decepticons fractured again after the disappearance of the ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]'', he began working for [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. Octane loved tormenting the pint-sized Decepticon [[Micromaster|Micromasters]], lording over them with his size and rank. {{storylink|Destined for Nothing}} The Micromasters got their own back, sending Octane and the other [[guzzler]]s on a suicide mission. Though Octane's crew overcame the Autobots, the Autobot Micromasters turned up with the revelation that Shockwave was deactivated, and Octane called a general retreat. {{storylink|Victims of the Revolution}}

[[Image:DWColdWar Slag Octane.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Kids, never poke and mock bat-shit insane powerhouses!]]
After the [[Great Shutdown]], Octane qualified for Shockwave's re-engineering process, and joined the [[Triple Changer|Triple Changer Strike Force]]. He traveled to [[Earth]] in 2003 under Shockwave and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]' command to collect the "renegade" Autobots and Decepticons who were still fighting the Great War. {{storylink|New World Order}} They returned to Cybertron, and Octane assumed patrol duty until coming across the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], who had just crash-landed in the [[Wastelands]] after arriving from Earth. Sensing weakness, Octane mockingly challenged the woozy travelers, poking them and calling them "primitive".

[[Slag (G1)|Slag]] made an ashtray out of his skull. Even Grimlock was a little creeped out by this particular "trophy". {{storylink|Cold War (issue)|Cold War}}
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===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
Octane was among the Decepticon forces waiting for [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]'s force field around [[Teletran 3]] would go down. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 2|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II #2}} After [[Serpentor|Serpent O.R.]] took control of the Decepticons, Octane and several subgroup leaders protected him from an assault by Optimus Prime. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 5|The Art of War #5}}

===''Hearts of Steel''===
[[Image:HeartsofSteel2 Decepticons questions.jpg|left|200px|thumb|His alt-modes in this continuity are "kite" and "wheelbarrow."]]
Octane participated in the questioning of [[Tobias Muldoon]] when [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] brought the human scientist down to the Decepticon at the bottom of the [[San Francisco]] Bay. In particular, Octane wanted to know if the humans had developed flight technology, which the Decepticons could exploit. {{storylink|Hearts of Steel issue 2|Hearts of Steel #2}}
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===IDW comics continuity===
Four million years ago, Tankor was involved in the Decepticon war effort. He was part of a convoy carrying 75 tons of energon for [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. Unfortunately, they were intercepted by [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and their scout, [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]], knocked senseless before he could fire off a shot. Prime and [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] managed to capture Tankor's unit without incident by threatening to detonate the unstable energon supply they were carrying. {{storylink|The Iron Age}}

Tankor was under Deadlock's command at some point.{{storylink|Drift issue 3}}

Millions of years later, during the Decepticon siege of (parts of) [[Earth]], the [[European Union]] sent a nuclear bomb to wipe out the Transformer infestation of [[New York City]]. Unfortunately the plane they sent to carry the bomb was Tankor in disguise. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 11|All Hail Megatron #11}} Even after the Autobots arrived, Megatron ordered Tankor to proceed with the bomb drop and to rendezvous with the Decepticons later, to which he expressed his pleasure. The bomb was indeed dropped, but diverted by Thundercracker. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 12|All Hail Megatron #12}}

[[Image:NewArrivalsOldEncounters Tankor.jpg|thumb|right|200px]]
Unfortunately, Tankor never made it off Earth. After getting captured by humans at some point, he was liberated by a small group of Decepticons led by [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]]. {{storylink|New Arrivals, Old Encounters}} Their ragtag team then located [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] in the ruins of New York, and added him to the group. {{storylink|Seasons in Flight}} During an attack on [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], Swindle starting questioning why they were fighting in the first place. Tankor replied "Because they're Autobots!", but it turned out Swindle was looking for a somewhat deeper answer. The Decepticons subsequently allied themselves with [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]'s defected Autobots, working together to find a way off the planet. {{storylink|New Arrivals, Old Encounters}} Tankor was later seen assisting [[Bluestreak (G1)|Silverstreak]] in the construction of a spaceship. {{storylink|Seasons in Flight}}

Four months after Swindle's failed attempt to betray the Autobots and steal the spaceship, the other Decepticons returned to Earth, and Tankor rejoined them. He was present as an observer when Optimus Prime confronted Megatron one-on-one, and was caught in an explosion when Prime suddenly had a satellite dropped on his nemesis. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 5: Enemy Mine}}

===''Henkei! Henkei!'' pack-in comics===
[[Image:Henkei_octane.jpg|250px|thumb]]
After successfully conducting an energon theft, Octane gave his pursuers, [[Sideswipe (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comics|Sideswipe]] and [[Bluestreak (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comics|Bluestreak]], the runaround by switching back and forth between his alternate modes, making them think they were chasing two culprits instead of one. Once he got bored with the chase, Octane revealed himself, but that proved to be a bad idea, as Sideswipe was able to rocket above him and shoot him down. {{storylink|Henkei! Henkei! volume 6|Henkei! Henkei! #6}}

Octane's skills were later to put to the test by [[Cyclonus (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comics|Cyclonus]], who tasked him with stealing energon from a factory. Octane upped the stakes, promising to do the job in thirty minutes if Cyclonus would deliver a good report on him to [[Megatron (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comics|Megatron]]. Despite the interference of [[Smokescreen (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comic|Smokescreen]] and [[Red Alert (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comic|Red Alert]], Cyclonus held Octane to the conditions of the deal, and Octane had to try and shake the two Autobots off as he headed for the factory. Octane thought he had succeeded, but found his two opponents waiting for him at the factory, along with Cyclonus, who announced his time was up. Cyclonus departed to report on Octane's failure to Megatron leaving the hapless swindler to Smokescreen and Red Alert's tender mercies. {{storylink|Henkei! Henkei! volume 12|Henkei! Henkei! #12}}

Octane had the misfortune of being possessed by the ghost of a [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream from another dimension]] and being forced to attack the Autobots. He beat up on [[Ironhide (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comics|Ironhide]], before being taken down by the invisible [[Mirage (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! pack-in comics|Mirage]]. As Mirage had taken out Octane's motor circuits, Starscream's ghost was forced to depart his body and search for a new host. {{storylink|Mirage's Rebirth}}

===''Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun'' comic===
Octane was part of the small group of Decepticons who traveled to Earth with [[Megatron (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Megatron]] in pursuit of the lost [[Energon Cube]]. He was never seen in action during the battles on the planet, but was shown being rounded up by the combined might of the Autobots and Earth's military forces following [[Galvatron (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Galvatron]]'s apparent death. {{storylink|To the Sea of Stars}}
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==Games==
===''The Transformers'' (PS2)===
[[Image:TF PS2 Octane.jpg|thumb|250px|]]
{{bigquote|Octane, warrior of the future. With a jet mode and tanker mode! Always loaded with fuel and evil ambition!|The Narrator|"[[The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers]]"}}
:''Voice actor:''

In an alternate future where Shockwave discovered the mysterious mineral known as [[Zel Quartz]] and went mad by its power, Octane was one of the few Decepticons who survived his destructive rampage. The triple changer was chosen to be a part of the Transformers who were to go back in time in order to find the Zel Quartz before Shockwave did.

After the Autobots had dealt with the Sharkticons, Octane drove up to them in tanker mode, transforming to robot mode when he was in front of them. Stating his need for power, Octane announced that he was going to destroy the Autobots and then take all the energy of the Karzite mine. He then rambled on about how he was going to be leader of the Decepticons once he took down Galvatron, and then told the Autobots that he was going to melt them down. Rodimus Prime warned the greedy Triple Changer that those with endless ambitions were bound to be destroyed by it, but his warnings fell of deaf audio receptors. In the end, Octane was soundly defeated and he announced his surrender. Transforming to jet plane mode, Octane flew off, announcing that he would not forget his defeat. Rodimus just called him a "thin-fueled coward". Later, Octane fought alongside Cyclonus against the Autobots in the Atalstan gem mine. Even with a fellow flier for backup, he still lost.

In the Decepticon side of the story, the shuttle that the Decepticons of the future had been using crash-landed. Octane had managed to find the main Depecticon force of the present once they had found a drill bit they suspected to be the Zel Quartz. Driving up to them in tanker mode while expressing surprise to the fact that they were still alive, Octane transformed to robot form, explaining that he thought he was done for. He expressed his relief that he managed to rendezvous with the Decepticons, stating that the bad side always did win. Galvatron told the triple changer that if Octane fought hard for him, it would be enough. Octane promised that he would and requested to join back with the Decepticons.

Despite whichever side won, Starscream eventually managed to steal the Zel Quartz and flew off into space with it. This caused the Quartz to become completely useless; and with the timeline altered, Octane and all the Decepticons from the future disappeared from the present time.{{storylink|The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1 Octane toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Ice Road Trucker.]]
*'''Octane''' (Triple Changer, 1986, 1991)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-72'''
**''Accessories:'' "Flamethrower", tail rudder/"Deflecto Shield", tanker top

:Octane is a [[Triple Changer]], with the ability to transform into two different vehicle modes. His ground vehicle mode is an extended truck cab with fuel-tanker trailer of undetermined model, with much of the detailing in this mode achieved through stickers rather than sculpting. His truck mode has rather strange proportions due to the robot arms sticking out of the sides and the generally broken-up look of the truck. He has three sets of rolling wheels: two purple sets and a set of grey wheels hidden under the middle of the truck. There is also a set of sculpted, non-rolling, unpainted wheels at the back of the truck.

:His aerial mode is based on the twin-engined Boeing 767 jet plane. Though the better of the two vehicle modes, it has some odd concessions that were made due to Octane being a Triple Changer, such as the grey set of wheels from the middle of the truck now sticking up from the top of Octane's fuselage.

:The tail fin of the jet form separates to become his "Deflecto Shield" for robot mode. The [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum metallized]] tanker top piece can also be used as a shield.<ref>[http://www.ntfa.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=2234&mode=threaded&pid=36400 "The many secrets of Octane... Now with pictures!" on NTFA forums]</ref> Care should be taken not to lose it, as it covers up some rather unsightly jet parts inside the tanker.

:Octane was reissued in Europe and Australia as part of the 1991 [[Classics (Europe)|Classics]] line.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Octane/octane.htm More information on Octane at TFU.info]''
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===Universe (2008)===
[[Image:Tankoruniverse2008toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|He sometimes uses his melee blade to make giant chomping shadow puppets in his spare time.]]
*'''Tankor''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Two blasters/"Quad laser", "melee blade"
: Part of the first wave of ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' Deluxe Class toys, "Tankor" ([[trademark]] issues<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20090121131445/http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/universe/default.cfm?page=News/Item&newsid=A795A47F-D56F-E112-48649ACADFB6ADDC Archived page of Hasbro's preview of ''Universe'' Wave 1's toys]</ref>) transforms from either a heavy cargo plane (possibly a C-130) or an [http://www.olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_hemtt_m978.php M978 Fueler] truck, into a robot. He is armed with a serrated "melee blade" weapon, which forms the top of his tanker mode and the base of his plane mode, and a pair of double-barreled blasters, which mount under his wings in plane mode and can combine in [[Targetmaster|Double Targetmaster]]-style into a "Quad Laser". For truck mode, the [[instructions]] and [[stock photography]] place the blasters facing forward in the exposed robot-mode fist holes at the rear of the vehicle, but the intended location for them seems to be the two otherwise-pointless holes on either side of the cab, facing upwards, to serve as smokestacks for the truck.

:The mold was designed for light-piped eyes (and presumably clear truck windows), but the relevant areas have been cast in opaque blue and the eyes are painted red. The Decepticon logo on his chest, unusually enough, has small triangular pupils in its eyes, although they can be applied [[Quality control|rather messily]].

:Slyly, his bio mentions that he delivers "high '''octane''' fuel" to his fellow Decepticons.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/TFUTankor/tankor.htm More information on Tankor at TFU.info]''
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===Henkei! Henkei!===
[[Image:Henkei Octone toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Beware my shiny quad-laser!]]
*'''Destron Octone''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-05'''
**''Accessories:'' Two flamethrowers, "melee blade"

:''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' Octone is a [[redeco]] of ''Universe'' Tankor, and like all ''Henkei! Henkei!'' releases, his colour scheme is designed to be more [[Show-accuracy|more accurate to his cartoon appearance]] and has [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum metallized]] parts, such as his two blasters and the back of the truck mode's tank/the base of the melee blade. Besides the vacuum metallized parts, Octone replaces some of this black plastic with both gray and blue plastic, features a lighter and more cool shade of purple paint, and has Decepticon symbols on his wings.
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==Notes==
*The Generation 1 Octane toy was originally designed to have a sliding waist—not unlike that of [[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]]—that would create a more proportional (i.e., less "chesty") robot mode. For whatever reason, this ability was blocked off very late in the design process, but can easily be reinstated with a small amount of unscrewing and plastic cutting.<ref>[http://www.ntfa.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=2234&mode=threaded&pid=36400 "The many secrets of Octane... Now with pictures!" on NTFA forums]</ref>
*Although [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] and [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] are far more popular, Octane was the main Triple Changer created by Shockwave as discussed in ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]''.
[[Image:Universe Tankor clearwindows.jpg|right|200px|thumb|I can see clearly now...]]
*Octane is depicted as having white lower arms and fists in the USA 1986 catalog and chromed in some European 1986 catalogs. This was apparently changed very late in the process, as the chromed arms are pictured on Octane's box photography. The box art pictured above also shows the chromed arms.
*Octane's role in "Starscream's Ghost" was originally intended for Blitzwing, who would have been taking refuge with the Autobots after his actions in "[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5]]". What this says about Octane's role in "Thief in the Night" is not known.
*As shown on Hasbro's website, ''Universe'' Tankor/Octane's prototype was designed to have transparent plastic windows in his tanker truck mode, but for reasons unknown the windows were opaque plastic with paint applications on both the ''Universe'' and ''Henkei! Henkei!'' final production versions of the toy.
*In May 2010, a bogus picture of a photoshopped redeco of ''Universe'' Tankor/Octane as [[Clench (G1)|Clench]] was placed in BotCon.com's directory structure to throw off would-be scoop-hounds. The trick worked as one website reported it as being the real deal... until BotCon.com updated its own site with artwork of the actual 2010 version of Clench.
*Octane's on screen plane mode is a two-engine version of the Boeing 707.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Octone''' (オクトーン ''Okutōn'')<ref>The word "octane" is usually rendered in katakana as オクタン ''okutan''. The change thus appears to have been an intentional one, although the why of it is unknown.</ref>
*''Italian:'' '''Triplex Tre''' ("Triplex Three")
*''Mandarin:'' '''Hsīn-wǎn''' (Taiwan, 辛烷, "Octane"), '''Duqi Dan''' (China, 毒气弹, "Poison Gas Bomb"）

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
*[http://ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Octane Octane's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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Starscream's Brigade

2011-08-08T23:35:28Z

Chris rabbit: /* Animation or technical glitches */

{{episode
|image=Starscreams_brigade_5_letsgo.jpg
|caption=Surely, this will be his moment to shine...or not.
|series=G1toon
|ep=62
|series2=SRLFtoon
|ep2=53
|prev2=Auto-Bop
|next2=The Revenge of Bruticus
|series3=''[[Generation 2 (cartoon)|The Transformers: Generation 2]]''
|ep3=19
|prev3=Triple Takeover
|next3=The Revenge of Bruticus
|title="Starscream's Brigade"
|written by=[[Michael Charles Hill]]
|production code=700-61
|airdate=[[January 7]], 1986
|production company=[[Sunbow Productions]]
|continuity=[[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]
}}

'''After his latest attempt to overthrow Megatron's rule of the Decepticons, Starscream is banished from HQ, but this time, he hatches a plan...'''

:''Japanese title:'' スタースクリーム軍団 (''Starscream Gundan'', "Starscream's Brigade")
:''German'' Generation 2 ''title:'' "'''Starscreams großer Kampf'''" ("Starscreams big Fight")
:''Russian title:'' "'''Otryad Skandalista'''" (''Отряд Скандалиста'', "Starscream's Brigade")
:''Italian title, dub 1:'' '''I Combacticons''' ("The Combaticons")
:''Italian title, dub 2:'' '''La brigata di Starscream''' ("Starscream's brigade")

==Synopsis==
[[Image:Starscreamsbrigade1.jpg|left|200px|thumb|You'd think Starscream would be a little less shocked to be in this position by now.]]

In [[1943]], at the height of [[World War II]], [[human]]s waged war on one another on the island of [[Guadalcanal]] in the south Pacific. Their wrecked and useless vehicles lay there untouched through the decades, until the present time—[[1985]].

Within [[Decepticon Headquarters (G1 Earth)|Decepticon Headquarters]], [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] and [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] are having a spat over the fact Megatron favors [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. Predictably, it ends with Starscream shooting Megatron in the back and proclaiming himself the new leader. Megatron recovers after a few seconds, knocking Starscream to the ground. The rest of the Decepticons refuse to obey Starscream's order to kill Megatron, so he attempts to flee, only to be shot down by Megatron. At the Decepticon leader's order, [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] carries Starscream away and dumps him on Guadalcanal.

Humiliated and infuriated, Starscream stumbles upon the remnants of some old World War II vehicles, which inspire him to create an army of his own. He forces his way past [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] and [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]], who are guarding the [[space bridge]], and travels to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. There he breaks into a [[Decepticon Detention Center]] and liberates the [[personality component]]s of five [[Renegade Decepticon]]s. Returning to Guadalcanal, he installs them into the wrecked vehicles, which transform into the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]]. The quarrelsome warriors are not happy with their new bodies and threaten simply to beat Starscream to a pulp, until he reveals that their new bodies do not contain [[energy absorber]]s, without which they cannot refuel: "No energy, no life." In exchange for the needed equipment, the Combaticons agree to obey Starscream's orders for the moment.

[[Image:StarscreamsBrigade Vortex capture.jpg|right|200px|thumb|It was a whirlwind romance.]]

[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] and [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] are making a public appearance at the unveiling of the [[Optimus Prime memorial]] when Starscream and the Combaticons attack. The two [[Autobot]]s are badly outnumbered. The statue is soon in ruins, and pair are abducted in [[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]]'s cargo bay. The Decepticons return to Guadalcanal, where Starscream celebrates triumphantly and the Combaticons squabble over who was responsible for the victory. He tells them to settle down and informs them that until they obtain five energy absorbers, no one is getting one.

[[Image:Starscreamsbrigade2.jpg|left|200px|thumb|"We all lost weight on the Subway diet!"]]

At the Decepticon base, Shockwave informs Megatron that the Combaticons' personality components are missing. Assuming the Autobots are responsible, Megatron launches an attack on the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]. The Autobots, meanwhile, have learned of the attack on the memorial and the abduction of Jazz and Cliffjumper, and they have assumed Megatron is responsible. When the Decepticon forces attack, the Autobots are confused by Megatron's demand for the personality components, and Optimus Prime's demand to turn over Jazz and Cliffjumper causes Megatron to suspect Starscream. Before he can complete his thought, a hit from Optimus knocks him to the ground and, realising that he and his men are low on energy, he orders a retreat. The Autobots consult [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I]] again for the scoop on the personality components.

Starscream and the Combaticons attack the Decepticons while they're attempting to refuel. With the refueling incomplete, Megatron and his forces are compelled to retreat, allowing Starscream to capture Dirge and Ramjet as well. The energy absorber count is now four, and Starscream and his men retire to the [[Amalgamated Water and Power Plant]] to recharge.

[[Image:Starscreams brigade 7 SSrideshoulder.jpg|right|200px|thumb|"Aren't I supposed to have an evil ''and'' a good angel?"]]

Megatron, meanwhile, rallies his troops (except the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]], who are "busy"), and moves against Starscream and his army. In the ensuing battle, Megatron pulls out his trump card: Devastator. Unfortunately for him, Starscream pulls out ''his'' trump card when he reveals that the Combaticons can likewise combine into a single titan: [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]]! Bruticus makes short work of Devastator, laying out the combined [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]]. The massive combiner then scoops up Megatron in one hand and forces him to acknowledge Starscream as the new Decepticon leader.

The Autobots use the battle's distraction to rescue Jazz and Cliffjumper; meanwhile, the late-arriving Stunticons look over the situation and decide that Starscream is too likely to continue his rampage. Merging into Menasor, they defeat the unsuspecting Bruticus with one massive punch.

From the resultant crater, Megatron emerges; grabbing Starscream by the throat, he decrees that Starscream and his army are banished from Earth. The usurpers are hauled away by [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] and left stranded on a distant asteroid in deep space... from which Starscream swears vengeance.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] (18)
*[[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (19)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] (21)
*[[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] (22)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]] (23)
*[[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] (24)
*[[Gears (G1)|Gears]] (25)
*[[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] (27)
*[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (38)
*[[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (39)
*[[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]] (40)
*[[Grapple]] (43)
*[[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (44)

|c2=
*[[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] (2)
*[[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] (3)
*[[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]] (4)
*[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] (5)
*[[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] (6)
*[[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] (7)
*[[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] (8)
*[[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] (9)
*[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (10)
*[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (11)
*[[Brawl (G1)|Brawl]] (12)
*[[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] (13)
*[[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]] (14)
*[[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]] (15)
*[[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] (16)
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] (20)
*[[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] (26)
*[[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (28)
*[[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]] (29)
*[[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]] (30)
*[[Hook (G1)|Hook]] (31)
*[[Mixmaster (G1)|Mixmaster]] (32)
*[[Long Haul (G1)|Long Haul]] (33)
*[[Scrapper (G1)|Scrapper]] (34)
*[[Drag Strip (G1)|Drag Strip]] (35)
*[[Breakdown (G1)|Breakdown]] (36
*[[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]] (37)
*[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] (41)
*[[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] (42)
*[[Wildrider (G1)|Wildrider]] (45)
*[[Dead End (G1)|Dead End]] (46)
*[[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] (47)

|c3=
*World War II soldiers (1)
*[[Marty Minkler]] (17)
}}

==Quotes==
"NOBODY TURNS HIS BACK ON ME!"
:—'''Starscream''', as Megatron turns his back on him.

"I have with me two members of the Autobot team: Jazz and Cliffjump." 
"That's 'Cliffjumper'."
:—'''Marty Minkler''' and '''Cliffjumper'''.

"I see incompetence breeds even more incompetence. HAHAHAHAHAHA!"
:—'''Megatron''' to Starscream, after the latter fails in his attempt to destroy the Decepticon leader.

"Now, Megatron: who is the new Decepticon leader?" 
"Enough! Uhm...you are." 
"I can't hear you!" 
"You are!" 
"I am now the leader of all Decepticons!"
:—'''Megatron''' in the grip of Bruticus (literally), and '''Starscream'''.

'''Motormaster''': Megatron's in trouble. 
'''Dead End''': Who cares? 
'''Wildrider''': It looks like Starscream's defeated him. 
'''Dead End''': So? 
'''Motormaster''': So, you think Starscream's going to stop here? 
'''Dead End''': Good point. He never knows when to quit. 
'''Motormaster''': Stunticons, unite to form Menasor!
:—The Stunticons survey Starscream's victory.

"Bruticus?" 
"No, Starscream, ''not'' Bruticus. It's Megatron—your ''leader''!" 
"Megatron, don't, please!" 
"This time, it really is 'goodbye', Starscream! Astrotrain, get him and his giant ally off this planet! They are banished from Earth...forever!" 
"You'll regret that you did not destroy me, Megatron! I shall have my revenge!"
:—'''Starscream''' and '''Megatron''' after the Decepticon leader survives Starscream's latest mutiny.

==Notes==
===Animation or technical glitches===
[[Image:StarscreamsBrigade Soundwave eyes.JPG|right|200px|thumb|Maybe Megatron isn't the one Starscream should be worried about...]]
*During the first scene in Decepticon headquarters, right before and immediately after Starscream shoots Megatron in the back (about a minute and a half into the episode), Soundwave's visor is absent. He appears to have two separate, red optics instead, which, when compared to his usually emotionless expression, is actually kind of scary. In addition, his tape door has the wrong shape.
*When Megatron kicks him away, Starscream's cockpit is all yellow instead of yellow with gray stripes. Also, Megatron's ab section is uncolored (a few shots later, he has the red and blue buttons back).
*Throughout the episode, the animators can't seem to decide which way up to have Starscream's Decepticon [[insignia]] (or that he has them at all).
*At several points in the episode, such as when Starscream approaches the Space Bridge, his eye color changes from red to blue.
*While Starscream tells the Combaticons he wants them to defeat Megatron, his wings are missing for a moment, then they're drawn smaller than usual. They change in size and shape throughout the episode.
*In the first shot of the Autobots, Cliffjumper is to the right of Jazz, but in the next, he's to his right. Also in this shot, Jazz has a line through his face instead of a mouth.
*As Vortex creates wind in helicopter mode, Cliffjumper is uncolored (he's gray instead of red).
*Megatron's head seems a little small when he's chatting to Shockwave over the comm. Also, he's missing his cannon.
*The first time we see (the real) Optimus Prime from the front, his fog lights are drawn too long (they extend all the way to his back!).
*When Megatron is attacking the Autobot headquarters, a black Thrust can be seen standing to his left. The camera cuts to Prime and then back to Megatron, who now has a properly decoed Thrust standing to his right.
*For one shot during the attack, Megatron's cannon is bent at the end.
*As Optimus watches the Decepticons retreat, you can see a blue blemish at the edge of their animation cell in the upper left corner.
*During the same shot, Optimus turns towards the camera and his chest grille is triangular instead of rectangular. Also, as he leaves the frame it suddenly loses all of its detail (the lines disappear, leaving a white blob).
*When Starscream jumps over the subway car, he's missing his feet!
*When Starscream says, "Don't think that it hasn't been fun," when he confronts Megatron, his wings are missing.
*There is no transformation noise for Skywarp as the Decepticons bust out of the station.
*Just before Starscream points at Dirge and Thrust, his mouth disappears for a moment.
*When Megatron rallies the Decepticons before going after Starscream, Shockwave is seen among the group, even though he had been shown to be still on Cybertron. Dirge is also seen in the group, despite the fact that he's supposed to be a prisoner of the Combaticons at that point. (Maybe it's Thrust miscolored.) Ramjet might as well have been wrongly included as well, '''beside''' Dirge even.
*When Powerglide flies over the Decepticons, his plane mode is not only white, but a different model. Or, [[Bad Boy|could it be...?]]
*As usual, Devastator's transformation sequence is all kinds of screwy. This time, Hook transforms not only into his own portion of Devastator, but also most of Long Haul's and much of Bonecrusher and Scavenger's as well. A second later, Bonecrusher and Scavenger transform into their usual Devastator components—including the parts that Hook already formed! Also, Scrapper formed the leg on his '''own''', without Mixmaster forming the '''other''' leg.
*Just after Devastator's transformation, as he finishes saying "Ha ha ha ha harrrr!", there are two frames from the Stunticons' "demolition derby" scene from 95 seconds (about 2,821 frames) earlier in the episode.
*Devastator repeatedly switches between having separate eyes and his usual eyeband.
*Devastator's voice is missing its usual reverb.
*When the Autobots arrive at the battle and transform, Optimus' waist is uncolored for a moment.
*Ironhide was part of the team at Autobot HQ, but he's replaced by Ratchet and Grapple at the power plant.
*As Menasor flies towards him, Starscream's face is dark gray instead of light gray, and his eyes are triangular instead of rectangular.

===Continuity errors===
* During the WWII footage at the beginning of the episode, a pilot ejects from a plane. He should be wearing goggles, but is not.
* Starscream maintains control of the Combaticons by not installing [[energy absorber]]s into them, thereby preventing them from re-energising, and a repeated point is made that they must capture five Transformers in order to take their energy absorbers for the Combaticons. Yet the Combaticons are somehow able to recharge after capturing only four Transformers.
* When Megatron shoots Starscream at the beginning of the episode, a plume of fire appears at the aft end of his cannon, and afterward, the cannon is smoking for some reason. This is the only episode where these things happen.
* Optimus shoots Megatron in the chest, and this apparently disables his fusion cannon. Again, the only time this has happened!
* After the Autobots figure out what's happening with Starscream and Megatron, Optimus dramatically orders his troops to "Transform and [[roll out]]!" But it seems they forgot to figure out where they were going; they're never shown arriving anywhere! The next time we see the Autobots, Optimus and Powerglide are once again standing in front of [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I]], and Optimus orders Powerglide to search for Starscream. Who says Prime doesn't learn from his mistakes?
* This episode was aired ''after'' "[[Aerial Assault]]", which also featured the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]].
* So Astrotrain, in his space shuttle mode, can transport Starscream and the Combaticons to an asteroid in deep space, but Blast Off, a space shuttle himself, can't fly them back to Earth?

===Continuity notes===
* Earth builds a [[Optimus Prime memorial|memorial]] to [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] before he's even dead... [[The Transformers: The Movie|Ominous]].
* '''[[Triple Takeover|< <]]''' What makes Starscream the leader? Megatron said so! Well, hard to argue with that, huh? '''[[The Revenge of Bruticus|> >]]'''

===Real-world references===
*Elements of World War II are shown in the episode with the abandoned military vehicles.

===Trivia===
* According to the Generation 1 [[production bible]], this episode was titled "30 Seconds over Megatron" before broadcast. [http://transformers.winterchill.com/bible/biblepage88.html]
* The WWII element of the Combaticons' origin is a strange choice, since none of their toys are actually WWII-era vehicles. The shooting script dictates specific, historically-accurate vehicles for each one, and then it describes them as their modern, toy-based forms, but no explanation or even description is given for the transition. It ended up being animated as part of their transformation to robot mode, and it remains a unique phenomenon.
* Number of times that somebody says "Jazz and Cliffjumper": 7
* The Japanese dub of the episode (poorly) super-imposes Japanese translations of the captions during the World War II recap, which shows the Combaticons' origins.
* The Decepticon detention center sure looks like something you'd find on Earth, eh? The doors are labeled with English numbers, and personality components are kept in file cabinets!
* Devastator got his tail kicked. Can you tell he's no longer a new toy, folks?
* The plot of this episode is reused in a simplified form in [[The Special Teams]].

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;VHS
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1988 — The Action Adventure Collection ([[Tempo Video]]) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1989 — ''Transformers'' — Starscream's Brigade (Tempo Video) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1993 — The Biggest Ever Saturday Morning Heroes (Tempo Video) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 1999 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Volume 3: Programmed for Evil ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]])
;Laserdisc
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1995 — ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' — Megatron Set ([[TakaraTomy|Takara]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1999 — ''The Transformers'' — Decepticon Edition ([[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer LDC]]) — Japanese audio only.
;DVD
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2001 — ''The Transformers'' — DVD Box 2 (Pioneer LDC) — Japanese audio only. 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2003 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2 ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]]) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2003 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2: Vol. 8 (Rhino Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2 ([[Metrodome]]) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Collection 3: Series 2.2 ([[Madman Entertainment]]) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2006 — ''Transformers'' — The Complete Generation One Collection (Metrodome) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2006 — The Best of ''The Transformers'' (Madman Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2007 — ''Transformers'' — The Classic Episodes (Metrodome) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2007 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection (Madman Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of Italy.png|20px|Italy]] 2009 — ''Transformers'' — Volume 06: Stagione Due Parte Quarta ([[Medianetwork Communication]]) — English and Italian audio. 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2009 — ''Transformers'' — Season Two: Part Two (Metrodome) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection: Decepticon Edition (Madman Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Series: 25th Anniversary "Matrix of Leadership" Collection ([[Shout! Factory]]) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Season Two, Volume Two: 25th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory)

==External links==
*[http://cybertronchronicle.freewebspace.com/cartoon-dossier/synopses/starscream's_brigade.html Dossier at the Cybertron Chronicle]

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